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| 00:15.49 | DocPyrotizer | yeah really. Copy your uSD (16G quite partially populated) to eMMC - end with system completely freezing, only thing that still somewhat works is screenlock and taskswitcher. even this freezes when you dare to close conversations in taskswitcher -> "conversations not responsive. close?" yes/no no effect other than clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick |
| 00:16.06 | kerio | why? |
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| 00:16.07 | kerio | :| |
| 00:16.21 | kerio | wait, why aren't you scrutinizing anymore? |
| 00:16.33 | kerio | decided it wasn't worth the effort and started burning shit? |
| 00:16.42 | DocPyrotizer | mean whhile battery is at end, and yeah, 90s after plugin it notices "charging" |
| 00:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | fireworks over |
| 00:17.15 | kerio | did you complete the copy at least? |
| 00:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's STILL COPYING :-((( |
| 00:17.37 | kerio | and you should've used rsync |
| 00:17.38 | kerio | :P |
| 00:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~2GB |
| 00:18.08 | kerio | rsync > cp any day of the week |
| 00:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | rsync for copying my local uSD to my local eMMC?? |
| 00:18.32 | kerio | yeah |
| 00:18.36 | kerio | rsync is fucking awesome |
| 00:18.40 | SpeedEvil | kerio: except wednesday. |
| 00:18.44 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, rsync only copies what needs copying |
| 00:18.47 | kerio | nah, including wednesday |
| 00:18.53 | MNZ | but you are taking a backup? so that's everything |
| 00:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | sorry dude my beer in pub is waiting, and for aforementioned reasons I'll not be able to continue this convo |
| 00:19.19 | kerio | why do you have a n900 if you can't irc while in a pub? |
| 00:19.22 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
| 00:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: all needed copying |
| 00:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 00:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | it lives |
| 00:19.47 | kerio | yay ^_^ |
| 00:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer51: ping |
| 00:19.53 | kerio | swap is a bitch |
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| 00:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | clirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk |
| 00:20.08 | kerio | i bet that's what fucks up IO the most |
| 00:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 00:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 00:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | fix fsckng IO freeze issue while I care for my beer |
| 00:21.03 | MNZ | peace doc |
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| 00:21.22 | kerio | linux claims ram for io cache, moving shit to the swap |
| 00:21.31 | kerio | in the meantime, everything else tries to access the swapped ram |
| 00:21.36 | kerio | and the system grinds to a halt |
| 00:21.43 | kerio | because, you know, swap still sucks |
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| 00:22.28 | MNZ | kerio, that's what swapiness setting is for |
| 00:22.34 | kerio | 0 or 100? |
| 00:23.00 | MNZ | I don't remember any more |
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| 00:23.17 | MNZ | but the kernel does it's best to guess what you are thinking of doing and what you want |
| 00:23.21 | MNZ | so cut it some slack! |
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| 00:24.14 | TiagoTiago | a quick question, would it be safe to symlink the pymaemo folder moving it toinside MyDocs? |
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| 00:25.24 | TiagoTiago | i had to reflash my N900 and i don't remember all i had to do to have rootfs and /opt not run out of space last time :( |
| 00:26.03 | kerio | i guess 0 |
| 00:26.06 | kerio | since swap sucks :< |
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| 00:27.23 | MNZ | kerio, it doesn't really suck when the OOM, God spare us from its evils, kicks in to kill your microb session with that email you've been writing for a friggin hour |
| 00:27.38 | MNZ | (that is, if you have swapoff) |
| 00:27.46 | kerio | not swapoff |
| 00:27.48 | kerio | just swappiness to ' |
| 00:27.50 | kerio | to 0 |
| 00:27.58 | SpeedEvil | I had gnuplot kill damn near my whole laptop. |
| 00:27.58 | kerio | as in, "don't swap untill you have to" |
| 00:28.21 | kerio | gnuplot is awesome |
| 00:28.25 | SpeedEvil | Then I realised I was trying to plot 20000 lines from a 1.3 million line file. |
| 00:28.28 | kerio | DON'T DIS THE NEWPLOT |
| 00:28.37 | kerio | and by newplot i obviously mean gnuplot |
| 00:28.42 | kerio | glances at the clock and sighs |
| 00:28.53 | kerio | SpeedEvil: heh |
| 00:29.06 | MNZ | well, I have read a thread over at lkml about the merits of swapiness set to 100.... the make some compelling points. It just doesn't always work :/ |
| 00:29.16 | kerio | swappiness to 100 makes sense for a desktop |
| 00:29.24 | MNZ | I mean a lot of the time you have stuff that's sitting in there taking up precious cache space |
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| 00:29.32 | SpeedEvil | swap needs a few more tweakables. |
| 00:29.40 | kerio | MNZ: maemo has a lot of stuff that's there taking precious cache space |
| 00:29.43 | kerio | and it needs *all* |
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| 00:29.56 | kerio | and really, who needs lots of IO on a mobile device |
| 00:30.10 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.10 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.10 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.10 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.48 | TiagoTiago | ok, how about /opt/var , is it safe to move it to mydocs and symlink it? |
| 00:31.05 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, don't |
| 00:31.13 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 00:31.23 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, did you finish copyng? |
| 00:31.26 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, stuff in /opt isn't on rootfs |
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| 00:31.56 | TiagoTiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.10 | kerio | moving stuff to MyDocs will result in fail |
| 00:32.13 | kerio | since mydocs is vfat |
| 00:32.33 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, whats up now? have you recovered the content on opt |
| 00:32.38 | SpeedEvil | What I did was tar up all the stuff on mydocs to home. |
| 00:32.45 | lcuk | ie, how did you go from "no files in opt" last night, to this now |
| 00:32.51 | kerio | really, reflash |
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| 00:32.57 | kerio | it's no biggie :< |
| 00:33.27 | TiagoTiago | no,, i reflashed rootfs, it recreated \opt, now i' reinstalling all the shit i had before, but there's not wnough space for everything yet |
| 00:33.34 | TiagoTiago | i'm |
| 00:34.12 | TiagoTiago | MyDocs survived the reflash to rootfs just fine though:) |
| 00:34.29 | MNZ | because it's on the eMMC not on the rootfs |
| 00:35.02 | TiagoTiago | yeah, but i was told to backup it in case somthing went wrong with the reflashing |
| 00:36.32 | TiagoTiago | i beleieve it's usually safe to move and symlink shit to MyDocs if it isn't used at boot and the files and folders in question don't use any of the fancy features missing in VFAT, is not correct? |
| 00:37.13 | TiagoTiago | is that not+ |
| 00:37.15 | TiagoTiago | * |
| 00:38.03 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, no, moving stuff to MyDocs and symlinking ontop of the symlinks! will cause problems |
| 00:38.16 | lcuk | besides, content within the folders themselves might expect/require permissions |
| 00:38.20 | lcuk | and vfat cannot host them |
| 00:38.35 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, i am pleased you got it back working though |
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| 00:39.04 | SpeedEvil | I simply tarred up all on mydocs onto /home. Then deleted the partition, made a new 4G one for mydocs, and a 26 for data. |
| 00:39.11 | SpeedEvil | I mount /home/user/data on boot |
| 00:39.14 | TiagoTiago | nomis, i mean moving plain folders and files, stuff like game data etc |
| 00:39.52 | TiagoTiago | hm, i guess i might have fucked things up by moving pymaemo, did it had any executables? :( |
| 00:40.00 | kerio | definetely |
| 00:40.01 | kerio | :) |
| 00:40.06 | kerio | MyDocs is actually noexec |
| 00:40.08 | kerio | so yeah |
| 00:40.16 | TiagoTiago | fuck |
| 00:40.21 | kerio | indeed |
| 00:40.34 | TiagoTiago | any way i can fix this without yet another rfeflash? |
| 00:40.36 | TiagoTiago | o.o |
| 00:40.39 | lcuk | giggles |
| 00:40.40 | kerio | TiagoTiago: probably not |
| 00:40.46 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, backup all your stuff |
| 00:40.48 | lcuk | and reflash |
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| 00:41.04 | TiagoTiago | fuck :( |
| 00:41.07 | smhar | I can see updates for both pyqt4demo and pyqt4full but I can not install as it complains about conflicts |
| 00:41.16 | lcuk | just reflash, if you backed up last night theres not much :P |
| 00:41.30 | lcuk | and just take care with sizes of installing stuff |
| 00:41.34 | kerio | reflashing is incredibly fast anyway |
| 00:41.36 | lcuk | my car can fit 4 people in it |
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| 00:41.45 | TiagoTiago | it takes ages to install shit |
| 00:41.46 | lcuk | i dont try to squash 25 |
| 00:42.03 | kerio | lcuk: that's why you'll never enter the guinness world record |
| 00:42.10 | lcuk | kerio, lol |
| 00:43.13 | TiagoTiago | could someonee please upload their pymaemo folder for me to replace the one i fucked up please? |
| 00:44.03 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, how about an alternative |
| 00:44.11 | kerio | REFLASH |
| 00:44.33 | lcuk | check contents of /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:44.38 | lcuk | most of the .debs should be there |
| 00:44.45 | lcuk | copy them somewhere |
| 00:44.50 | lcuk | mydocs |
| 00:44.53 | lcuk | for instance |
| 00:45.00 | lcuk | and then REFLASH |
| 00:45.14 | lcuk | then you dont have to redownload them all you could do a bulk dpkg -i |
| 00:45.33 | lcuk | and then when you need to reflash again tomorrow |
| 00:45.38 | lcuk | you will be quicker again :P |
| 00:45.39 | TiagoTiago | it takes ages to install shit, i alreadey installed a buch of stuff alrfeady |
| 00:45.52 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: use apt |
| 00:46.00 | TiagoTiago | even with local debs |
| 00:46.24 | smhar | should I remove the old ones first? it is strange as it is supposed to 'update' |
| 00:46.41 | TiagoTiago | please, it's just a single folder, i shouldn't need to reset everything just to repl ace a single folder |
| 00:47.45 | TiagoTiago | how big is it? |
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| 00:48.53 | TiagoTiago | you guys are hesitanting on doing my request 'because it's too big to upload imn a decent amount of time? |
| 00:49.16 | kerio | we're hesitating because indulging into someone's mistakes is definetely *not* helping them |
| 00:49.20 | kerio | which is what this channel is for |
| 00:49.27 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 00:50.17 | kerio | you screwed up |
| 00:50.19 | TiagoTiago | i should have confirmed the yes i got here was really for me and not part of a different convo, i've learned my lesson |
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| 00:50.34 | kerio | next time, you'll think twice before moving unix stuff into a non-unix fs |
| 00:51.02 | kerio | i mean, it's not like we don't want to help you because it's long and boring |
| 00:51.07 | kerio | we're doing this for you :P |
| 00:51.36 | TiagoTiago | sure, though i had already done it safelly with lots of folders, i just went a bit too fast for safety with this folder |
| 00:51.50 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, which folder again? |
| 00:51.54 | MNZ | you can fix the perms |
| 00:51.58 | TiagoTiago | pymaemo in /opt |
| 00:52.22 | TiagoTiago | nomis, i checked the copy in mydocs and somthing went wrong, itm+ empty :( |
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| 00:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | (<kerio> swap is a bitch) No swapping involved - I got load applet, stating CPU 100%, swap <10% |
| 00:52.34 | TiagoTiago | no* |
| 00:52.45 | TiagoTiago | it's |
| 00:52.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: already drank your beer? |
| 00:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | sure. Was half empty 0.33 |
| 00:53.18 | TiagoTiago | so basicly, worse than loosing permissions i've accidently deleted the folde |
| 00:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | I just ran home for charger |
| 00:53.21 | kerio | that's... not enuff beer |
| 00:53.22 | TiagoTiago | folder |
| 00:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | clirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrck - it still is alive, over there :-D |
| 00:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | (IRC highlite) |
| 00:54.23 | kerio | linux doesn't crash ^_^ |
| 00:54.26 | TiagoTiago | is there a way to do a nondestructive flashing that just adds missing files not touching anything else? |
| 00:54.43 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, yeah, fiasco image surgery |
| 00:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: it just gets slow as molasses |
| 00:54.53 | kerio | which is still better than blowing up |
| 00:55.00 | kerio | at least, for your data |
| 00:55.28 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, since its you |
| 00:55.35 | lcuk | i will send you the files by irc |
| 00:55.37 | lcuk | using binary |
| 00:55.42 | lcuk | 1101010101010101010101011101010101 |
| 00:55.48 | lcuk | 101010101110101111010110101010011001010101 |
| 00:55.53 | lcuk | 101010101011010111100001010101 |
| 00:55.54 | lcuk | :p |
| 00:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, the call was `cp -apv ...` so let's see what the v detail got us |
| 00:55.57 | MNZ | heh hold on |
| 00:56.03 | MNZ | you said pymaemo? |
| 00:56.14 | TiagoTiago | where can i learn how to that, or even better, where can i find a step by step guide that will let me achive the result even if i don't understand what Im' doing? |
| 00:56.17 | TiagoTiago | yep |
| 00:56.17 | MNZ | that is not one of the packages in the image.... just reinstall the package |
| 00:57.03 | TiagoTiago | it's not? |
| 00:57.07 | TiagoTiago | hm |
| 00:57.13 | MNZ | nvm what I just said |
| 00:57.18 | MNZ | because I have no idea |
| 00:57.57 | TiagoTiago | well, i/e just hit enter for "apt-get install pymaemo" lets see what happens |
| 00:58.13 | TiagoTiago | crap, couldn't find it :( |
| 00:58.15 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, well I just searched around and did some grepping, no package |
| 00:58.26 | MNZ | ok hold on |
| 00:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: what's causing this incredible mess? is maemo kernel for the litter? |
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| 01:00.02 | TiagoTiago | does xchat supports file transfer? and would it preserve file atributes? |
| 01:00.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 01:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I mean, a `cp -apv /some/dir/with/4GB /some/where/else` ustn't result in *complete* unusability of device, even for a nice -10 rootsh |
| 01:00.34 | lcuk | i am in other chans DocScrutinizer so not watching scrollback |
| 01:00.51 | lcuk | what is -apv? |
| 01:01.00 | lcuk | and when is it noticed as a problem? |
| 01:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | archive preserve-permns verbose |
| 01:01.12 | lcuk | and where are the 2 paths |
| 01:01.21 | lcuk | and what else is running |
| 01:01.25 | lcuk | ie, is it getting trackered |
| 01:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | first path = uSD, 2nd = eMMC |
| 01:01.35 | lcuk | or is norton kicking in :P |
| 01:01.43 | lcuk | where in emmc |
| 01:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | nothing else is running |
| 01:01.50 | lcuk | tracker then likely |
| 01:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | no tracker |
| 01:02.01 | lcuk | inotify kicking in |
| 01:02.05 | lcuk | and scanning whilst copying |
| 01:02.07 | lcuk | hm? |
| 01:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's a killer cmd in a root shell with prio 0 |
| 01:02.21 | MNZ | I was under the impression rootfs.jffs2 inside the fiasco image is just an FS image... what's "HIT archive data" ? |
| 01:02.31 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, show me specifically then |
| 01:02.40 | TiagoTiago | can't anyone help me fix my mistake other than by insisting i reflash again? |
| 01:02.43 | lcuk | its not a killer until you give specifics really |
| 01:02.46 | TiagoTiago | please? |
| 01:02.47 | lcuk | and I would put it to tracker |
| 01:02.59 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, I was just looking into the thing, but I can't mount the rootfs... just hold on for a few |
| 01:03.04 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, what speed kernel are you running on |
| 01:03.12 | TiagoTiago | ok, thanx |
| 01:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | cp -apv /media/mmc1 /home/user/MyDocs/16g |
| 01:03.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: try killing the tracker |
| 01:03.30 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, and how do you know that tracker isnt kicking in |
| 01:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | was the exact command, shot in a root shell |
| 01:03.34 | TiagoTiago | i left it at the default after the reflash |
| 01:03.50 | kerio | tracker is a whiny bitch when you copy files around |
| 01:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | BS, there's no tracker involved |
| 01:03.52 | kerio | got the same thing |
| 01:04.01 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 01:04.04 | lcuk | how do you know |
| 01:04.11 | lcuk | tracker kicks in when files dropped into folders |
| 01:04.16 | lcuk | you are dropping files into folders |
| 01:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | it kills even a nice -10 bash |
| 01:04.30 | lcuk | now, you please tell me how you know its now |
| 01:04.32 | lcuk | not |
| 01:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | the device freezes completely |
| 01:04.50 | lcuk | ok, so what is tracker doing |
| 01:04.53 | lcuk | or top |
| 01:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | tbh there's not even a way to kill any tracker |
| 01:05.04 | lcuk | sigh |
| 01:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | but *my* tracker runs on nice -10 |
| 01:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | htop freezes |
| 01:05.38 | lcuk | what is top of top |
| 01:05.43 | MNZ | ahh was just missing the module for jffs2 :| |
| 01:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | anything arbitrary on top of top |
| 01:06.07 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you have evaded every simple question i have asked :P |
| 01:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | even changing every 10 min |
| 01:06.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i had the same problem |
| 01:07.01 | kerio | did a copy on a folder that wasn't tracked |
| 01:07.02 | kerio | no problems |
| 01:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you're asking Q that can't be answered, as you doen't understand the severity of the problem |
| 01:07.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nuke the copy from orbit |
| 01:08.00 | lcuk | so instant death the minute you copy a file from mmc1 to mydocs? |
| 01:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | the device is TOTALLY frozen for everybody but me I'm willing to wait 10min for a result of a click |
| 01:08.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's the tracker |
| 01:08.32 | kerio | really |
| 01:08.33 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, I'm sorry but I can't seem to extract the image |
| 01:08.36 | kerio | i had the same fucking problem |
| 01:08.41 | kerio | why aren't you listening to me :'( |
| 01:08.42 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 01:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: nope, it built up over 5 min |
| 01:08.49 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, actually.. |
| 01:08.49 | lcuk | and DocScrutinizer potentially mucking with the nice of things may not be helping |
| 01:08.58 | kerio | really, stop the copy |
| 01:09.12 | kerio | create a non-tracked directory, or tar everything into a single file |
| 01:09.13 | kerio | and try again |
| 01:09.31 | TiagoTiago | can you compress the folder from your device in a format that preserves atributes and upload or otherwise send it to me somehow? |
| 01:09.39 | kerio | TiagoTiago: yes i can |
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| 01:09.59 | TiagoTiago | do it please? |
| 01:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: BS, my tracker is at nice -10 and configured to ignore verything on eMMC except .music or whatever |
| 01:10.07 | kerio | no |
| 01:10.10 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, apt-get install --reinstall python2.5-minimal python-support python2.5 python-osso |
| 01:10.25 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, why is tracker at -10 |
| 01:10.26 | TiagoTiago | thanx, i!l try that :) |
| 01:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: because I edited trackers config |
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| 01:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | nice 10 |
| 01:11.02 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, if I was in anyway awake I would have suggested that much earlier -__-" |
| 01:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's not called nice in tracker's config |
| 01:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | but it does nice |
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| 01:11.27 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ok |
| 01:11.32 | lcuk | so for a user to reproduce |
| 01:11.35 | lcuk | they have to get root |
| 01:11.40 | lcuk | modify the config |
| 01:11.44 | lcuk | add a new mmc |
| 01:11.46 | lcuk | copy some files |
| 01:11.47 | TiagoTiago | it's alright, thanx for insisting on trying to find a solution for my issue :) |
| 01:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 01:12.18 | kerio | i'd go "kill tracker" |
| 01:12.39 | kerio | i mean, killall |
| 01:12.46 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, np, just hope it works right :/ |
| 01:12.59 | kerio | while true; do killall -9 tracker; done |
| 01:13.04 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: no problem, I'll manage to enter that in 5min, and probably in 10min it'll tell me 'no process to kill' |
| 01:13.05 | *** join/#maemo h4waii (~simon@arcadia.sidereal.ca) |
| 01:13.09 | kerio | heh |
| 01:13.19 | kerio | why don't you want to stop the copy? :/ |
| 01:13.27 | TiagoTiago | hm, it got errors :( |
| 01:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | fsck |
| 01:13.33 | lcuk | /usr/libexec/hildon |
| 01:13.54 | lcuk | hitting higher than tracker in this instance |
| 01:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | I can stop the copy any time, by ^Z, and then system back to normal. Do you think I'm a 14yo nob? |
| 01:14.04 | lcuk | copying all jpgs from dcim onto my mmc |
| 01:14.11 | lcuk | but its 10% only |
| 01:14.16 | h4waii | I do. |
| 01:14.16 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, pastebin? |
| 01:14.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: then why don't you... do that |
| 01:14.30 | kerio | so you can try to stop the tracker to see if it's that |
| 01:14.34 | kerio | or if it's something else |
| 01:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: why don't you fix IO freeze? do it! |
| 01:14.49 | lcuk | doc |
| 01:14.51 | TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/BC5ws7Nc |
| 01:14.55 | lcuk | what cpu% is the cp command eating |
| 01:15.02 | kerio | i blame tracker :D |
| 01:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | 100% |
| 01:15.12 | lcuk | specifically cp? |
| 01:15.18 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, is that IOWait or actual cpu usage? |
| 01:15.19 | kerio | ok, i blame busybox |
| 01:15.20 | lcuk | its eating 1.9% here |
| 01:15.29 | lcuk | ooh upto 5 |
| 01:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | for all I can get from htop with 1 refresh every 10 min, yes. 100% copy |
| 01:15.49 | lcuk | "top" |
| 01:15.51 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid ISP opted me back into their idiotic DNS hijacking program. |
| 01:15.52 | lcuk | not htop :P |
| 01:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 01:16.09 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, reproducability please |
| 01:16.14 | lcuk | you understand why :P |
| 01:16.15 | kerio | GeneralAntilles: call them and tell them you'll quit the contract if they don't get rid of that bullshit for you |
| 01:16.28 | kerio | that usually helps |
| 01:16.37 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, ah... it's unpacking the wrong package first... |
| 01:16.48 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, argh |
| 01:17.00 | lcuk | the internet is more than the web but they dont understand :'( |
| 01:17.13 | kerio | lcuk: you mean, like, the facebook? |
| 01:17.20 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, apt-get install --reinstall python2.5 |
| 01:17.27 | TiagoTiago | i gotta change the order of the names after reinstall? what would be the correct sequence? |
| 01:17.28 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 01:17.52 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, no, dpkg will re-order them. Just issue the python2.5 one first, then all the others |
| 01:18.15 | TiagoTiago | ok |
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| 01:19.22 | TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/NG23UJYB :( |
| 01:19.35 | *** join/#maemo ml-mobile (~wat@166.134.243.146) |
| 01:19.48 | *** join/#maemo srw (~swo@p5DF3DB40.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:19.58 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, okay you probably still have pymaemo mounts still active.... |
| 01:20.08 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, pastebin the output of the 'mount' command |
| 01:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | load 9.06, lag for a screen click:20s, top of htop: htop, CPU:13% |
| 01:20.17 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, "/usr/libexec/gst-.." |
| 01:20.20 | lcuk | killing it |
| 01:20.56 | lcuk | when copying from mmc to MyDocs, finding out specific |
| 01:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | audio clicks storing up like 3min, then clirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk |
| 01:21.07 | TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/grsLxqvr |
| 01:21.49 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, yes you do. Well, what I'm about to say next is highly speculation, but based on educated guesses |
| 01:22.14 | TiagoTiago | can i unmount those safelly and then repeat the installs? |
| 01:22.18 | MNZ | apt-get remove pymaemo-optify |
| 01:22.22 | MNZ | now recheck mounts |
| 01:22.27 | MNZ | if still there, umount them |
| 01:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: entering a single key/char to xterm takes some 5s, starting and executing top takes 3 min |
| 01:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | til first display |
| 01:22.52 | lcuk | /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-extract |
| 01:23.06 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 01:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | and no, it's not dbus-scripting going havoc this time, only 146 processes |
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| 01:25.56 | TiagoTiago | that ididn't go so well, it started to uninstall a bunch of things,, and then it rebooted.... |
| 01:26.10 | MNZ | wait what. |
| 01:26.29 | MNZ | should have stopped it if it pulled dependencies down :S let me check the deps |
| 01:27.02 | TiagoTiago | the terminal listed a bunch of things it was also uninstalling, and then before i could read it all it i t rebooted |
| 01:27.19 | MNZ | ?? so did it continue with the uninstall? |
| 01:27.27 | MNZ | because it has to wait for your input really |
| 01:27.28 | lcuk | was under the impression there is a "Y/N" option asked |
| 01:27.44 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, after hte first attempt |
| 01:27.46 | TiagoTiago | i don't remember hitting it |
| 01:27.49 | lcuk | i redeleted fies and tried agian |
| 01:27.55 | lcuk | now the cp is taking <1% |
| 01:28.20 | TiagoTiago | i mean, i just remember runnign the command, then switching to xchat, then switching back when i saw some msgs about bluetooth and it had a big list, i was reading and it rebooted |
| 01:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | my copy still not finished, and taking the device to nirvana |
| 01:28.32 | h4waii | The hell are you guys doing? |
| 01:28.54 | TiagoTiago | after reboot there are a lot of pymaemo mounts still there |
| 01:29.06 | lcuk | h4waii, DocScrutinizer is stresstesting |
| 01:29.07 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, apt-cache policy pymaemo-optify |
| 01:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (<lcuk> DocScrutinizer, "/usr/libexec/gst-..") doesn't help, I can't get the correct cmdline in any reasonable time |
| 01:29.23 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, me neither |
| 01:29.30 | lcuk | it was actually sluggish that one time |
| 01:29.34 | lcuk | when i opened the font select |
| 01:29.43 | lcuk | and when it came back with smaller font it wasnt on top |
| 01:29.43 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, ps aux | grep gst- |
| 01:29.48 | lcuk | so it mayv been a redherring |
| 01:29.52 | MNZ | or did I get you wrong? |
| 01:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | heh clicks almost like normal from other room, maybe it recovers |
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| 01:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: I'll tell you the result of that when it appears on screen, in 3h |
| 01:31.13 | *** join/#maemo TiagoTiago_ (~TiagoTiag@201-42-86-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 01:31.31 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, so... your device is rebooting randomly? |
| 01:31.44 | TiagoTiago_ | http://pastebin.com/jFb2CBkp |
| 01:31.55 | TiagoTiago_ | dunno, first one after the reflash |
| 01:32.15 | MNZ | as expected, pymaemo-optify was obviously not uninstalled |
| 01:33.08 | MNZ | I just checked, all python packages depend on it. which is good actually. just nuke everything python and reinstall it |
| 01:33.36 | TiagoTiago_ | how exactly? |
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| 01:34.01 | MNZ | apt-get remove pymaemo-optify |
| 01:34.14 | TiagoTiago_ | wasn't that what we just tried? |
| 01:34.22 | MNZ | which will pull with it all python packages. |
| 01:34.35 | sevard | i just found my n810 in a box! i haven't seen this thing in a year. |
| 01:34.41 | MNZ | yeah, except your device reboot randomly, and I doubt it's got to do with removing python |
| 01:34.44 | lcuk | sevard, :D |
| 01:34.51 | sevard | anything awesome for this old platform in a year? |
| 01:34.53 | TiagoTiago_ | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 01:34.54 | lcuk | install telescope on it |
| 01:35.03 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, do so |
| 01:35.05 | lcuk | gives you the dashboard effect without needing 3d |
| 01:35.11 | TiagoTiago_ | k |
| 01:35.18 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, please confirm the deps it's removing though when you start the remove. |
| 01:35.19 | lcuk | you can tile your apps :D |
| 01:35.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ^ctrl Z and everything allllll back to normal (except I typed ahead a lot) |
| 01:35.27 | sevard | telescope hmm |
| 01:35.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: yay |
| 01:35.44 | sevard | ill look once all the updates finish lol |
| 01:35.53 | kerio | page faults? |
| 01:36.20 | sevard | im so excited this thing was my best friend for the longest time. i was homeless and it was my main pc |
| 01:36.44 | lcuk | sevard, :) |
| 01:36.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | just 8 wrote 'almost all back to " |
| 01:36.46 | TiagoTiago_ | i did had a few random reboots before i touched the overclocking stuff, very sporadic events though |
| 01:36.47 | sevard | stealing wifi and power, writing resumes. it got me a nice job |
| 01:37.00 | lcuk | awesome ! |
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| 01:37.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | end still typing ahead whole sentences |
| 01:37.07 | lcuk | dont steal tho ! |
| 01:37.08 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:37.10 | derf | Sounds like a Nokia ad campaign in the making. |
| 01:37.14 | sevard | haha |
| 01:37.17 | sevard | haha |
| 01:37.17 | lcuk | derf, thinking the same lol |
| 01:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | this sucks! |
| 01:38.05 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what are you actually copying? |
| 01:38.10 | lcuk | is it stuff that tracker likes to eat? |
| 01:38.28 | TiagoTiago_ | ok, its also uninstalling a bunch of python programs, this time i explicitly permitted it, probably gonna be better to install those agaon once python is fixed anyway |
| 01:38.29 | lcuk | ie 10gb of movies |
| 01:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | last post of DocScrutinizer51 was completely typed and entered before 3rd char showed up |
| 01:38.35 | lcuk | or 10gb of random |
| 01:39.02 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, actually, it's removing python itself, along with all python based programs |
| 01:39.08 | lcuk | TiagoTiago_, |
| 01:39.24 | lcuk | so far, you have spent the last 2 nights on here |
| 01:39.24 | TiagoTiago_ | yep |
| 01:39.31 | TiagoTiago_ | here |
| 01:39.35 | TiagoTiago_ | heh* |
| 01:39.54 | sevard | lcuk i can't remembe how to get rid of the black abc bar in terminal Ã:/ |
| 01:40.05 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, if all goes as the pre and postrm scripts dictate, then you should have no mounts from pymaemo, and just "apt-get install python2.5" and you are done |
| 01:40.07 | sevard | also i installed telescope how the heck do i run it |
| 01:40.22 | TiagoTiago_ | even when you're being grumpy and calling me names, it's quite productive to come here for help :) |
| 01:40.22 | lcuk | hmmm sevard the black bar, IDK |
| 01:40.26 | lcuk | reboot perhaps |
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| 01:40.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | /media/mmc1/aux-install/900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin -> /home/user/MyDocs/16G/mmc1/aux-install/900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin/media/mmc1/aux-install/900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin -> /home/user/MyDocs/16G/mmc1/aux-install |
| 01:40.43 | lcuk | TiagoTiago_, oh we aint grumpy |
| 01:40.49 | sevard | ill try rebooting! |
| 01:40.54 | lcuk | its informative to see you fail |
| 01:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | sorry "it's dead Jim" |
| 01:41.02 | lcuk | especially since you were overclocking |
| 01:41.04 | BadabingNL | anyone know why i cant use my usb drive in my CANON camera after i had formated in my n900 :) |
| 01:41.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | /900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin |
| 01:41.11 | h4waii | Stress testing whatmt, lcuk? |
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| 01:41.39 | lcuk | h4waii, hes got a bug where something is eating his interactivity |
| 01:41.49 | lcuk | and shouting louder than usual ;) |
| 01:41.58 | TiagoTiago_ | ok, no pymaemo mounts now |
| 01:42.08 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, ok, so its a single massive file |
| 01:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | npe |
| 01:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 01:42.32 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, good, now "apt-get install python2.5" |
| 01:42.48 | lcuk | i am off to bed |
| 01:42.53 | lcuk | i shouldv gone earlier |
| 01:43.03 | MNZ | lcuk, don't you want to see TiagoTiago_ finally succeed :O |
| 01:43.03 | TiagoTiago_ | rest well, dude |
| 01:43.08 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 01:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | it copied the backup of the eMMC I did to uSD, back to eMMC. It copied "9" video and other shit just "fine" while freezing the device |
| 01:43.19 | lcuk | MNZ, nahh he will be back tomoroow :P |
| 01:43.25 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 01:43.33 | MNZ | lcuk, haha. well good night to you sir |
| 01:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | and now I stopped the copy by ^Z and still device is crap |
| 01:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | molasses |
| 01:43.54 | sevard | lcuk: rebooted... ;my home button still isnt doing anything new... interesting |
| 01:43.58 | lcuk | actually installs new libliqbase first and considers testing it on -devel |
| 01:44.05 | lcuk | hmm |
| 01:44.12 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, everything swapped or what? |
| 01:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | dunno id that's thermo-throttle or what |
| 01:44.29 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 01:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | swap is down to 10%, according to load applet |
| 01:45.11 | sevard | i can launch it from term |
| 01:45.29 | sevard | Background mode: 2 |
| 01:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | btw load applet is just fine, updates every second |
| 01:45.29 | sevard | X Error! [10, 33, 0] |
| 01:45.38 | TiagoTiago_ | increase in themperature is supposed to increase resistance in most electronic things, so i guess thermo-throtling is an inherent property os most circuits |
| 01:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | also task switcher usually kicks in just in 5s |
| 01:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | but takes 100s to select any task |
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| 01:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | lock slider switch also fine |
| 01:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check if I can get a ssh over wifi |
| 01:47.24 | TiagoTiago_ | MNZ : http://pastebin.com/k8JdpKrV |
| 01:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, a bit sluggish, but connects |
| 01:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | Mem: 243384K used, 2156K free, 0K shrd, 9864K buff, 106232K cached |
| 01:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | CPU: 7.7% usr 6.9% sys 0.0% nice 0.0% idle 85.3% io 0.0% irq 0.0% softirq |
| 01:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | Load average: 8.08 8.01 8.08 |
| 01:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:49.32 | johnx | well, there's your answer :) |
| 01:49.40 | johnx | a little busy with the io |
| 01:49.41 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, 0_o that's not supposed to happen, but try "apt-get install -f" |
| 01:49.45 | BadabingNL | nice:) |
| 01:49.46 | johnx | transferring stuff to emmc? |
| 01:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | can anybody explain to me how I get a load of 8.08 with a CPU usage of 10%??? |
| 01:50.01 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, waiting on io |
| 01:50.06 | johnx | read what you pasted :P |
| 01:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | cause it's still copying |
| 01:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | (buffers) |
| 01:51.19 | johnx | sooo, what explanation did you need? |
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| 01:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene I ^Z the cp command some 10min ago |
| 01:51.40 | johnx | ok |
| 01:51.57 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, it should work it out alone, it's a rather trivial package problem. But then again I'm not exactly sure how you uninstalled python and apt didn't remove those packages as well |
| 01:52.00 | johnx | I would describe the situation as "something bad happened" |
| 01:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah obviously |
| 01:52.26 | MNZ | johnx, you mean Bad Things(tm) happened |
| 01:52.45 | johnx | ah, that is the term I was looking for |
| 01:52.49 | BadabingNL | wait until u get this loadavg : load average: 7258.33, 2264.42, 807.05 (tweakers.net almost highest record 10k++ |
| 01:52.57 | BadabingNL | xD |
| 01:53.04 | johnx | possibly also that something has failed to "do the right thing" |
| 01:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | suggestions? |
| 01:53.56 | johnx | does top show you anything about any process with mmc in the name? |
| 01:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | tell me how to grep in top output :-P |
| 01:54.38 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, lsof -n | grep MyDocs |
| 01:55.04 | MNZ | and try with 'grep /home' too |
| 01:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# lsof -n | grep MyDocs |
| 01:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | cp 5182 root 4w REG 179,9 75100160 10723 /home/user/MyDocs/16G/mmc1/aux-install/900808/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 01:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# |
| 01:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 01:55.53 | johnx | can you manage to kill -9 that cp? |
| 01:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 01:56.00 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i used --bwlimit to throttle rsync |
| 01:56.21 | cehteh | (and maybe nice, ionice) |
| 01:56.41 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, so what happened after apt-get -f install ?? |
| 01:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps ax|grep 5182 |
| 01:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.00 | TiagoTiago_ | it took some time doing stuff, the xterm buffer now is filled with lines about files not found |
| 01:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | Mem: 238788K used, 6752K free, 0K shrd, 4128K buff, 109268K cached |
| 01:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | CPU: 7.5% usr 5.5% sys 0.0% nice 0.0% idle 86.9% io 0.0% irq 0.0% softirq |
| 01:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | after kill |
| 01:59.04 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, what do you mean 'doing stuff'? what did apt say it was going to do exactly? |
| 01:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | now down to 0O |
| 01:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | 0 % IO |
| 01:59.49 | TiagoTiago_ | i didn't pay attention, it filled the screen with scrolling text, here's the final few lines :http://pastebin.com/s7X3cvBy |
| 02:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | Load average: 5.05 7.00 7.63 |
| 02:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's not been tracker! |
| 02:00.37 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, yes because none of that shit will install because you don't HAVE python :/ wtf is wrong with apt |
| 02:00.42 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, were you copying to emmc or a microsd card? |
| 02:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's been the fsckng cp which freezed whole device |
| 02:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | from uSD to eMMC |
| 02:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | Load average: 2.12 5.52 7.04 |
| 02:01.49 | kerio | you mean µSD |
| 02:02.00 | johnx | whenever flash is involved my first question is usually: "Could it be corrupted?" and since its flash the answer is almost always "Yes, it could." |
| 02:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | I mean ju suck |
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| 02:02.28 | kerio | i wonder how µ is normalized |
| 02:02.49 | kerio | hmm, just µ |
| 02:02.51 | cehteh | micro? |
| 02:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, corrupted MyDocs... errrm :-/ |
| 02:03.53 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: you still have FAT? |
| 02:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin in dmesg |
| 02:03.56 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, are you pondering or do you see evidence? |
| 02:03.58 | cehteh | (had..) |
| 02:04.11 | sevard | lcuk: telescope is so freaking awesome!!! |
| 02:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: sure, default system |
| 02:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | see NO evidence whatsoever |
| 02:05.07 | TiagoTiago_ | MNZ there is a python in the path somewhere (itms listed when i type py and double tap tab) |
| 02:05.48 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, ls -ld /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages |
| 02:06.08 | MNZ | does it exist? |
| 02:06.45 | TiagoTiago_ | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 3 22:53 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages |
| 02:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: you got a uSD with some huge files on it? just do `cp -apv /media/mmc1 ~user/MyDoc/xy` (as root) |
| 02:07.31 | johnx | sure |
| 02:07.37 | johnx | is 600MB big enough? |
| 02:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | probably |
| 02:07.53 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, ok, wild guess but "apt-get install --reinstall python-dbus python-gobject python-pygame wifieye" |
| 02:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | I got some 3 GB, but suffering from t0+30s |
| 02:08.06 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, please look at what it says before accepting |
| 02:08.20 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, and you think that big files are a problem while small files might not be? |
| 02:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 02:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's not really related to size of files |
| 02:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | if they aren't tooooo small |
| 02:09.14 | johnx | dumb question, but how is disk usage? |
| 02:09.38 | TiagoTiago_ | http://pastebin.com/va88zQWv |
| 02:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | I copied a backup of "9" video on uSD back to eMMC, and taht for sure froze the whole thing |
| 02:10.17 | KaKaRoTo | hi |
| 02:10.20 | sevard | On the nokia n810 does anyone know how to get rid of the black abc bar when the keyboard is open -- what use is the damn bar anyway |
| 02:10.27 | KaKaRoTo | anyone here knows what's the USB controller on the n810 ? |
| 02:10.28 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, continue then |
| 02:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | noty bene I did all this from a root shell |
| 02:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | niceness 0 |
| 02:10.49 | johnx | KaKaRoTo, text suggestions. turn off predictive something or other in input |
| 02:11.06 | KaKaRoTo | johnsu01, what ? |
| 02:11.17 | KaKaRoTo | oh, that was for sevard |
| 02:11.26 | sevard | KaKaRoTo: idk but if you have a powered hub you can throw it in to host mode with USBControl |
| 02:11.42 | johnx | ah, sorry about that. wasn't paying attention O_o; |
| 02:11.51 | KaKaRoTo | sevard, no, I mean what johnx said was meant for you :p |
| 02:11.54 | sevard | :) |
| 02:12.02 | KaKaRoTo | MohammadAG51, there ? |
| 02:12.12 | sevard | KaKaRoTo: i know, hopefully thats what you were looking for |
| 02:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: ORLY? |
| 02:12.22 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: yarly |
| 02:12.31 | KaKaRoTo | sevard, no, I don't care about host mode |
| 02:12.36 | sevard | damn |
| 02:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | damn, I wasted my time the last 8 months |
| 02:12.47 | KaKaRoTo | I just want to go play in the controller's driver, and want to know which one it is |
| 02:12.52 | MNZ | KaKaRoTo, what!? EVERYONE cares about host mode |
| 02:13.01 | KaKaRoTo | MNZ, lol, not me :p |
| 02:13.02 | TiagoTiago_ | again a bunch of file does not exist fillinng up the buffer and errors processing python-dbus -gobject -pygame and wifieye again |
| 02:14.01 | sevard | johnx: i don't see that anywhere :/ |
| 02:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: could you join h-e-n and report about your findings? |
| 02:14.46 | sevard | hen?? |
| 02:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, nobody else made this work in a reliable way |
| 02:14.56 | TiagoTiago_ | ok, i was allowed to remove wifieye, gonna try removing the other ones too and then install python agaion |
| 02:15.02 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, frig. let me take yet another wild wild guess and ask you to "apt-get remove python-dbus python-gobject python-pygame wifieye" then "df -h" into pastebin |
| 02:15.17 | johnx | sevard, tet-input -> languages -> settings -> unclick all the check boxes |
| 02:15.26 | johnx | s/tet/text/g |
| 02:15.47 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: i used to use it daily to hook my 20gb ipod straight to my n810 for movie storage or my targus multicard reader for cf or sd card reading/writing |
| 02:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: did you use MohammadAG51 's patches, or did you ground ID pin? or did you use egoshin's method? |
| 02:16.16 | MNZ | sevard, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/h-e-n |
| 02:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | pfrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt :-P |
| 02:16.25 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: none, USBControl and a battery poweered hub |
| 02:16.52 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, wrong device. :P |
| 02:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, on my laptop I don't even need USBcontrol - it works ootb |
| 02:17.13 | MNZ | XD |
| 02:18.01 | sevard | johnx: yaayy!!! that was very non intuitave. thanks dude :D |
| 02:18.08 | johnx | not a problem :) |
| 02:18.09 | KaKaRoTo | does anyone know if it's possible to install the DIABLO SDK on the latest scratchbox (installed from the maemo 5 sdk installer) |
| 02:18.35 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: do you want the make and model of usb hub i use? |
| 02:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | not really, thanks dude |
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| 02:19.05 | sevard | lol |
| 02:19.24 | SpeedEvil | Model of hub is unfortunately not really helpful at all |
| 02:19.36 | SpeedEvil | also - n810 is not interesting at all |
| 02:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: forget it, a troll claiming N810 can actually do hostmode |
| 02:20.08 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, WTF are you on about? |
| 02:20.12 | sevard | why? you can throw it in host mode and upload your pictures or play a movie on a car ride fro your ipod |
| 02:20.21 | sevard | dude what |
| 02:20.28 | sevard | do you want pictures... |
| 02:20.42 | SpeedEvil | I though n810 'just worked' |
| 02:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: really exciting news |
| 02:20.45 | SpeedEvil | Modulo no power |
| 02:20.59 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, we've had host on the N8x0 for *2 years* |
| 02:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: N810 has powe |
| 02:21.06 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 02:21.07 | sevard | n810 doesn?t just work you need usbcontrol to throw it into nost mode |
| 02:21.13 | sevard | lol |
| 02:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | rjome too |
| 02:21.21 | SpeedEvil | That is just working. |
| 02:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: me too me too me too |
| 02:21.34 | SpeedEvil | From the POV of the complexity of getting it working right on n900. |
| 02:21.40 | sevard | SpeedEvil: you also need a powered hub |
| 02:21.47 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, then why did you call him a troll? i"m like, totally lost ... |
| 02:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: nope you don't |
| 02:22.00 | sevard | johnx: no idea |
| 02:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | yaaaaawns, sorry to lame |
| 02:22.31 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: a client mode devide doesn't provide power on the line. you need a powered hub. |
| 02:22.44 | sevard | do you want a fucking video what are you on about |
| 02:22.49 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, did your device just die or what :D ? |
| 02:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | anybody thinking of N810 hostmode as a new exciting thing is a troll in my book |
| 02:23.01 | johnx | the N8x0 is happy to supply 100mA (or 200mA) which is often enough to run a lower power device, like a keyboard or usb stick |
| 02:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | esp when posting "I got hostmode" while not mentioning "on N810" |
| 02:23.23 | TiagoTiago_ | MNZ check this http://pastebin.com/pQbQhLHN |
| 02:23.27 | sevard | johnxÃ: that's really interesting, i thought no power was provided |
| 02:23.49 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, no. the n810 was the topic from the beginning. you missed it, then called him a troll |
| 02:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: tried USBcontrol on N900?? |
| 02:24.09 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: i _only_ have an n810< don?t blame me if you can?t keep up on the conversation |
| 02:24.15 | johnx | this is the maemo channel, not the N900 channel, after all |
| 02:24.31 | sevard | heh. |
| 02:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 02:24.51 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, yes we already established that it thinks it has python. But just in case, --reinstall python2.5 python2.5-minimal, then install python-pygame and see what happens |
| 02:24.57 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, |
| 02:25.33 | TiagoTiago_ | ok |
| 02:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I got other more hurting problems than N810 hostmode |
| 02:26.41 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, ok |
| 02:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | N810 hostmode isn't worth talking about, it 'just works' |
| 02:27.33 | sevard | oookaaayyy |
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| 02:28.08 | sevard | johnx: telescope is a w e s o m e |
| 02:28.22 | johnx | sevard, yeah saw the youtube clip |
| 02:28.32 | johnx | I'll have to bust my N800 out and play with it :D |
| 02:28.43 | sevard | johnx: having not picked this thing up for a year anything else i should know about? |
| 02:28.48 | sevard | this blows me away |
| 02:29.00 | sevard | :) |
| 02:29.01 | johnx | I haven't picked it up in that long either <_< |
| 02:29.08 | sevard | haha damn |
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| 02:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | and what's even more disgusting and boring, we can't use the way it works on N810, for N900 |
| 02:31.05 | johnx | great. let's have another argument about how much we miss N8x0 features |
| 02:31.11 | sevard | i have to ask, are you drunk? |
| 02:31.17 | TiagoTiago_ | MNz heres the output http://pastebin.com/M5wzg8GN |
| 02:31.56 | sevard | johnx: so i shoudln?t be jealous of the 900? i was thinking about selling and upgrading |
| 02:32.02 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, you don't have to pastebin things that go by the book :D |
| 02:32.35 | TiagoTiago_ | lolcat, ok |
| 02:33.04 | johnx | sevard, it's nice in so many ways. but some people nitpick every little thing |
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| 02:33.19 | sevard | haha |
| 02:33.22 | TiagoTiago_ | now what i was supposed to install again? |
| 02:33.24 | sevard | i see |
| 02:33.43 | johnx | like "why is there no d-pad?" or "I liked the N810 keyboard more" or "why is the screen smaller?" |
| 02:33.43 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, try python-pygame, it should install cleanly. |
| 02:33.58 | sevard | lol |
| 02:34.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | who's missing N910 features |
| 02:34.18 | sevard | nooo it's too pretty it has too many graaaphics |
| 02:34.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | 810 |
| 02:34.39 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, you are. you were just complaining about host mode ... |
| 02:34.42 | MNZ | johnx, sevard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM |
| 02:35.00 | TiagoTiago_ | couldn@t find package pygame, do you remember if it had caps somewhere? |
| 02:35.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | waaah, a completely different kbd feeling :-) |
| 02:35.18 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, python-pygame |
| 02:35.29 | TiagoTiago_ | ah, right, ok |
| 02:35.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | johnx: I??? complaining? |
| 02:36.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | only thing I'm maybe complainingnbout is the lack of GSM in N810 |
| 02:36.45 | johnx | MNZ, classic :) |
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| 02:37.20 | sevard | MNZ: for some reason mytube won't play that. what is it? |
| 02:37.25 | TiagoTiago_ | ok, that one went well as well |
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| 02:37.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and the very different kbds, it is irritating after months of N900 |
| 02:38.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and it collected dust :-P |
| 02:38.42 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, congrats. now check for pymaemo mounts, and it probably won't be there (unless it was pulled in again by python). What that means is you now have an un-optified python, that is, your python install is in roofs not opt |
| 02:38.52 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: /wrists |
| 02:38.53 | MNZ | sevard, it's the xphone :D latest gadgetry |
| 02:38.54 | TiagoTiago_ | what else should i install to restore python to the proper state? |
| 02:38.56 | TiagoTiago_ | ok |
| 02:39.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | wut? |
| 02:39.23 | sevard | mnz ill save it for the laptop later :) |
| 02:39.30 | TiagoTiago_ | hm, its mentionning opt there |
| 02:39.36 | MNZ | sevard, also happens to be fully backwards compatible :D you just have to see the vid |
| 02:39.43 | sevard | oooo |
| 02:40.02 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, yeah, opt has to be in there, but is there any pymaemo? |
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| 02:41.54 | TiagoTiago_ | yep |
| 02:42.38 | sevard | MNZ: that. looks. so. damn. hot. lol. |
| 02:42.41 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, well you are right. copies to the emmc are insanely slow |
| 02:42.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 02:43.27 | johnx | and yes, the UI is really unresponsive |
| 02:43.31 | h4waii | I despise IO on the N900. |
| 02:43.31 | TiagoTiago_ | hould i try to install the python optify package (i forgott the name) ? |
| 02:44.00 | MNZ | TiagoTiago_, yeah I just checked, it's unavoidable. pymaemo-optify is a dependancy of python2.5-minimal. in other words, you have to have python optified |
| 02:44.20 | TiagoTiago_ | so it's already here? |
| 02:44.20 | h4waii | Edit the control file. |
| 02:44.36 | MNZ | in other words, you picked a very wrong package to move to mydocs because this one does a whole bunch of wicked mounting and linking besides the 'normal' optification |
| 02:45.06 | MNZ | in other words, don't attempt moving pymaemo from opt again or Very Bad Things(tm) will happen, again. |
| 02:45.27 | MNZ | If I get up now I can actually sleep before it's 5 am for a change :D |
| 02:46.25 | TiagoTiago_ | yeah, that was stupid, thanx for all the help, you saved the day :) |
| 02:46.31 | TiagoTiago_ | rest well :) |
| 02:46.32 | MNZ | anywho TiagoTiago_ now you know just how messed up the optification system is, it's best not to mess with it :D |
| 02:46.48 | TiagoTiago_ | heh |
| 02:46.52 | MNZ | good night folks! |
| 02:47.06 | johnx | 'night MNZ |
| 02:48.41 | TiagoTiago_ | now, back to trying to find stuff that can be safelly relocated to MyDocs |
| 02:49.00 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, great. and my IO stayed close to 100% after I killed the transfer, but it went away quickly after that |
| 02:49.14 | lolcat | TiagoTiago_: What? |
| 02:49.36 | TiagoTiago_ | i' trying to free as much space as possible in rootfs and /opt |
| 02:49.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnx: flashing buffers I guess |
| 02:50.16 | johnx | TiagoTiago, It's cool to hack around with this stuff, but you have to realize that what you're doing is *highly* likely to cause exactly the same problem you just had |
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| 02:50.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway stskeeps asked me about same problem |
| 02:50.53 | TiagoTiago_ | lolcat, yeah, it was dumb to move that folder without being completly sure it was safe |
| 02:51.03 | TiagoTiago_ | lol* |
| 02:51.10 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, did you have tracker killed when you did the move? |
| 02:51.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems meego also suffering from general szstem freeze on IO |
| 02:51.20 | TiagoTiago_ | erm, how did i autocomplete? O.o |
| 02:51.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope there never was any tracker |
| 02:51.53 | johnx | and moves the other way are fine, right? |
| 02:52.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems yes, as I did a full backup of eMMC to uSD |
| 02:52.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | without noticing such shit |
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| 02:53.26 | johnx | yeah, just copied '9.mp4' to microsd. no 30% IO time and responsive the whole time |
| 02:53.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonder if it's swap related nevertheless |
| 02:53.56 | johnx | I could reboot, swapoff and see what happens |
| 02:54.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 02:54.04 | TiagoTiago_ | does anyone else somtimes have this issue where over and over again you try to click on an icon near the border of the scfeen and misses going back to the previous level? |
| 02:54.31 | johnx | TiagoTiago_, you're the only one who ever had that problem, ever :P |
| 02:54.47 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
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| 02:57.36 | lolcat | TiagoTiago_: I have no idea what you are talking about. Why did you higligth me earlier? |
| 02:57.41 | TiagoTiago_ | what in the /opt/var folder makes it not compatible with being moved to MyDocs? |
| 02:58.04 | TiagoTiago_ | dunno, sorry, i didn't even saw the autocomplete happening |
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| 02:59.54 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, yeah, contention with swap |
| 03:00.12 | johnx | with swap off I get good transfer speeds, but I don't have enough free RAM to ssh in |
| 03:00.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | DUH :-/ |
| 03:00.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | let's call it a fundamental bug |
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| 03:01.01 | johnx | solution: lower swappiness |
| 03:01.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | tested? |
| 03:01.20 | johnx | testing on swappiness on 1 |
| 03:01.23 | johnx | what should I run? |
| 03:01.42 | johnx | how about ... Maps *laughs evilly* |
| 03:01.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | a cp? |
| 03:02.08 | johnx | running an rsync with --progress and starting the nokia 'maps' app |
| 03:02.54 | TiagoTiago_ | is there somewhere a list of what needs to be in/opt and what can go to MyDocs that is up to date with p1.2? |
| 03:03.03 | johnx | TiagoTiago_, no |
| 03:03.14 | TiagoTiago_ | :( |
| 03:03.25 | cehteh | johnx: compcache |
| 03:03.26 | johnx | you should experiment and make one |
| 03:03.36 | kerio | set swappiness to 0 |
| 03:03.37 | johnx | or just lower swappiness ... |
| 03:03.41 | johnx | I set it to 1 |
| 03:04.01 | cehteh | and btw never ever set vfs_cache_pressure to 0 :) |
| 03:04.05 | TiagoTiago_ | what about some guidelines to decide what can go and what must stay? |
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| 03:04.59 | johnx | TiagoTiago_, anything needed before MyDocs is mounted, anything that relies on permissions, anything that involves a symlink or hardlink <- things not to put in MyDocs |
| 03:05.28 | johnx | spoke too soon |
| 03:05.31 | TiagoTiago_ | any easy way to check for each of those conditions? |
| 03:05.47 | johnx | TiagoTiago_, nope. you could write yourself a script, to check for some |
| 03:05.51 | cehteh | try and see :) |
| 03:06.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnx: ok, don't miss to mention'joerg_rw kicked the bug's ass so now it awake and roaring' when filing your ticket. gnite |
| 03:06.35 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, huh? |
| 03:07.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | me out, have fun |
| 03:07.14 | TiagoTiago | i don't know how to script (yet) |
| 03:07.37 | johnx | TiagoTiago, this is what I learned with: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 03:07.49 | johnx | some of it is bash specific, but it generally applies to sh |
| 03:08.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | advanced bash scribting? hehe, its a good one |
| 03:09.14 | TiagoTiago | thanx |
| 03:11.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | though url looks strange |
| 03:11.33 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 03:11.36 | SpeedEvil | More importantly. |
| 03:11.55 | TiagoTiago | ? |
| 03:12.00 | SpeedEvil | MyDocs gets unmounted when you plug it into PC and select 'ass rage' mode. |
| 03:12.13 | SpeedEvil | This means that the files go away randomly, whihc may upset some things. |
| 03:12.15 | kerio | SpeedEvil: LOLOLO |
| 03:12.18 | SpeedEvil | mass storage |
| 03:12.21 | SpeedEvil | sigh |
| 03:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | home/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf mmm..k |
| 03:12.29 | SpeedEvil | I should look a tthe screen mode |
| 03:12.35 | SpeedEvil | screen more |
| 03:12.53 | kerio | SpeedEvil: wait, you didn't mean to write "ass rage"? |
| 03:13.07 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:13.08 | kerio | you don't misspell something like "ass rage", come on |
| 03:13.22 | SpeedEvil | Its not misspelling. |
| 03:13.22 | johnx | actually, if you have important system-level stuff in MyDocs it would pretty much be correct to label it ass rage mode |
| 03:13.27 | kerio | mistyping |
| 03:13.29 | kerio | whatever |
| 03:13.30 | SpeedEvil | My keyboard occasionally misses letters. |
| 03:13.39 | kerio | sure ;) |
| 03:13.50 | TiagoTiago | i know how tha is |
| 03:14.10 | kerio | keyboards don't miss letters |
| 03:14.15 | kerio | people who use keyboards miss letters |
| 03:14.18 | SpeedEvil | Mine does. |
| 03:14.41 | SpeedEvil | I am unsure why it does it - it may be the $2 USB to PS2 adaprtor |
| 03:14.49 | johnx | kinda wants to make a proper US English localization uses a few more slang words to make the younger generation feel comfortable using it. Mass Storage -> Ass Rage would be a good start |
| 03:14.51 | kerio | nah, can't be that |
| 03:15.11 | kerio | it's "backwards compatible" and everything, isn't it |
| 03:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders how long a pkg from UK to D will take, esp when some old keys are inside :-P |
| 03:15.20 | TiagoTiago | somtimes if you type too fast in the N900 that happens |
| 03:15.29 | kerio | (also, what keyboard are you using?) |
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| 04:21.40 | Dhraakellian | so how is qmfmail? |
| 04:22.54 | TiagoTiago | who's mother? |
| 04:26.17 | luke-jr | whose* |
| 04:26.37 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 04:27.01 | KaKaRoTo | hey, is the image for the n800 and the n810 the same ? |
| 04:27.19 | KaKaRoTo | I got the kernel source for diablo, and there' sonly 'n800_defconfig', there is no 'n810_defconfig' |
| 04:27.22 | luke-jr | KaKaRoTo: ⦠are you asking what I think you're asking? |
| 04:27.27 | luke-jr | oh |
| 04:27.32 | luke-jr | thought you said n900 and n810 |
| 04:27.39 | KaKaRoTo | no, n800/n810 |
| 04:27.45 | luke-jr | isn't it n8x0_defconfig? |
| 04:27.47 | KaKaRoTo | it's +/- the same hardware, so maybe yes |
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| 04:29.01 | KaKaRoTo | humm... I just apt-get source the kernel-source-diablo.... the debian/rules file has : DEFCONFIG := nokia_2420_defconfig |
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| 04:31.41 | luke-jr | KaKaRoTo: just emerge diablo-sources :D |
| 04:31.59 | KaKaRoTo | emerge? :p |
| 04:33.44 | luke-jr | runs Gentoo on his N810 |
| 04:33.45 | MohammadAG51 | use kernel-headers for diablo |
| 04:33.49 | MohammadAG51 | compile against that |
| 04:34.04 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: he obviously wants to compile a kernel |
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| 05:05.13 | scp1 | So I've installed the real xterm. How could I get the ctrl,esc,tab,pipe-on-screen-keyboard thingy there as well? It's kind of hard to do anything useful without it. Or should I juts remap some other keys with xbindkeys or whatever? |
| 05:05.27 | gspring | is there an easy way to make xchat easier on the eyes than its default config? |
| 05:05.56 | scp1 | Yeah - edit the config |
| 05:06.03 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 05:06.44 | TiagoTiago | i couldn't figure out how to gwt my owntext to not be hard to read :/ |
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| 05:07.35 | gspring | i have edited my shit to no end its a color scheme problem! |
| 05:08.05 | TiagoTiago | also, xchat isn't completly hildonized, there some intwerface things that would be much easier to use if they shared the approaches sused in Hildon |
| 05:08.40 | scp1 | just use irssi guys |
| 05:08.54 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 05:09.22 | luke-jr | I sure hope Nokia is going to do the only sane thing with Harmattan and abolish the whole concept of "hildonizing" |
| 05:09.47 | luke-jr | there's no reason software should need to be ported to get the same interaction Maemo had |
| 05:09.55 | gspring | its not that bad now |
| 05:10.59 | gspring | is fmms worthwhile or should i just say fuckit to mms? |
| 05:11.18 | TiagoTiago | programs made for deaktop mouse and keyboard with big screens do need some adaptations to work confortably in a device like the N900 |
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| 05:15.23 | TiagoTiago | though perhps it could be possible to have special versions of the all the windowing and interface toolkits thatwhen programs would call for the diffwerent interface elementds the equivalent that uses the approaches suited to the N900 would be used instead, transparently to the programs (kinda like interface elements in webpages loaded in microB |
| 05:15.32 | luke-jr | gspring: it doesn't work at all for me |
| 05:15.42 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: no, they don't. |
| 05:17.43 | TiagoTiago | what doesn't what? |
| 05:18.09 | luke-jr | they don't need adaptations |
| 05:19.11 | delirus | there should be a repo of "hildonized", and a complete repo of everything as it is. |
| 05:19.17 | delirus | Slightly harder to use, but all there. |
| 05:20.10 | TiagoTiago | having to reach for a tiny scrollbar to scroll sucks, and even though it's tiny to click on it still consumes way too much valuable screen realstate |
| 05:20.17 | luke-jr | there's no reason Qt couldn't throw a smooth finger-scroll interface on widgets instead of a scrollbar by default |
| 05:20.28 | delirus | yeah |
| 05:20.37 | luke-jr | there's no rule saying the program can expect a scrollbar |
| 05:20.40 | delirus | Just something with a bit of code to autmatically convert interface elements on-the-fly |
| 05:21.04 | TiagoTiago | that would be great |
| 05:21.49 | delirus | Nokia *owns* QT now. Wouldn't be a problem for them. |
| 05:22.08 | luke-jr | even if they didn't, it wouldn't be |
| 05:22.13 | delirus | yeah |
| 05:23.08 | delirus | btw, hey luke-jr. Still haven't gotten gentoo up and running. Can't seem to get internet to work anymore in the gentoo chroot on the tablet. |
| 05:23.31 | luke-jr | delirus: that'd be resolv.conf⦠|
| 05:23.42 | luke-jr | just set nameserver to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:24.16 | delirus | 5 packages away from finishing the n900-env install (with all useflags enabled) :\ |
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| 05:24.33 | delirus | I copy resolv.conf before every chroot |
| 05:24.44 | luke-jr | why so slow? O.o |
| 05:24.46 | delirus | I just got bad wifi for some reason when I chroot |
| 05:24.46 | delirus | :\ |
| 05:24.57 | delirus | it works half the time at 1kbps, for about a minute |
| 05:24.59 | delirus | then stops |
| 05:25.03 | TiagoTiago | crap, another random reboot |
| 05:25.27 | TiagoTiago | is there a log file somewhere that might contain rhe reason for ther reboot? |
| 05:25.41 | luke-jr | mtd2 |
| 05:26.00 | TiagoTiago | ? |
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| 05:32.57 | delirus | hrm |
| 05:33.05 | delirus | could be the time of day I'm trying to work on it.... |
| 05:33.26 | delirus | I have a feeling there's more wifi interference at some times than others |
| 05:33.45 | luke-jr | pick a less busy channel? |
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| 05:47.45 | TiagoTiago | damn router keeps needing to be hard rebooted |
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| 05:49.16 | sla_erick | hi |
| 05:50.36 | sla_erick | is there anyone available? |
| 05:52.35 | TiagoTiago | hi, i'm here, but i dunno if i'll know how to help |
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| 06:29.34 | MyNickIsNick | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.58 | luke-jr | uh? |
| 06:30.00 | luke-jr | fast? |
| 06:33.10 | MyNickIsNick | i mean faster of updating or releasing something new .... |
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| 06:34.49 | SwedeMike | MyNickIsNick: that's subjective and impossible to answer. |
| 06:35.26 | ieatlint | if he means updates to the platform itself (and not applications), it's kind of an obvious answer |
| 06:36.02 | SwedeMike | MyNickIsNick: why do you want to know? |
| 06:36.05 | ieatlint | maemo being discontinued, and while the potential exists for another bugfix update to maemo 5 (which is widely believed to be unlikely), there will be no maemo 6 |
| 06:36.51 | ieatlint | but maemo isn't being sued by oracle... :P |
| 06:37.12 | MyNickIsNick | id like to use one of them to be developed custom for my project ... |
| 06:37.15 | MyNickIsNick | okay. but which one is more "open" to be developed ? |
| 06:37.51 | ieatlint | uh, that's not a simple answer... both are "open source, kinda" |
| 06:38.20 | ieatlint | more simply put: android uses java, and a custom gui toolkit |
| 06:38.26 | ieatlint | maemo uses gtk or qt |
| 06:39.00 | ieatlint | if your intent is to quickly develop an application, go with what you know... if what you know is java, maemo is not a good choice |
| 06:39.17 | MyNickIsNick | for beginner which one is more easy to be developed and have better sdk ? |
| 06:39.38 | SwedeMike | android is probably better if you want a big user base quickly. |
| 06:39.49 | SwedeMike | maemo/meego user base is very limited. |
| 06:40.12 | ieatlint | if you're just learning how to program, a phone may not be the best target platform |
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| 06:42.44 | MyNickIsNick | i have better programming experiences on assembly and c, c++ |
| 06:43.28 | MyNickIsNick | i need to develop on small platform but will need data communication over wifi and broadband network extensively |
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| 06:47.04 | cfreak200 | heya, anyone can tell me wich package is reponsible for the sip-configuration-dialog? i'm missing the use for phone calls option there (pr1.2 running here) |
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| 06:59.23 | johnx | cfreak200, is sip-configuration-dialog the name of the binary or your description of it? |
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| 07:01.03 | sobczyk | hi, is there a tutorial how to stream data through BT? |
| 07:01.25 | sobczyk | I want to sent accelerometer readings to my laptop through BT |
| 07:01.34 | pronto | with cookies and cake |
| 07:01.57 | cfreak200 | johnx: my description i mean the dialog to configure sip |
| 07:02.40 | cfreak200 | johnx: my main problem is that i cant receive sip calls (instat marked as missed) and cant call out with it.. |
| 07:03.41 | johnx | cfreak200, I don't use SIP. Do you mean the VoIP and IM accounts dialog or something else? |
| 07:03.52 | cfreak200 | voip and im |
| 07:04.52 | cfreak200 | i was told (few days ago in here) there should be a paramter to activate it for phone calls but i'm missing it... |
| 07:05.15 | johnx | tries to find the package, n900 being finicky about letting me ssh in ... |
| 07:06.23 | cfreak200 | i think its telepathy-sofiasip but theres only 1 version available and i'm using that so maybe its something else.. |
| 07:06.44 | johnx | ah, I don't think you'd have uninstalled it without realizing it |
| 07:08.00 | cfreak200 | its insatlled ofc.. |
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| 07:10.55 | johnx | you could pull out gconftool and start digging through settings *shrugs* |
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| 07:15.33 | cfreak200 | johnx: mhm ok, breakfast first and via ssh typing that much on the n900 is still a pain ;) |
| 07:15.39 | cfreak200 | but thanks anyway |
| 07:16.01 | johnx | good luck |
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| 07:20.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: did you figure out what was causing the massive slowdowns in I/O? |
| 07:21.22 | johnx | kerio, if he did , he didn't tell me |
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| 07:21.35 | kerio | :( |
| 07:21.36 | johnx | I was looking into it as well, and managed to repro even with swappiness turned way down |
| 07:21.49 | kerio | that's not a good thing |
| 07:21.57 | kerio | luckily i don't have a µSD |
| 07:21.58 | kerio | :D |
| 07:22.19 | johnx | though actually I *can* tell you what was causing it: swapping was having contention issues with I/O to the emmc card |
| 07:23.15 | kerio | isn't swap on the internal flash? |
| 07:24.29 | kerio | i still don't get why we have 256mb instead of at least 512 |
| 07:25.27 | johnx | kerio, because an OMAP3 package with 512MB wasn't available early enough in the design process |
| 07:25.36 | johnx | and swap is on the emmc |
| 07:28.25 | luke-jr | pfft |
| 07:28.55 | luke-jr | if a novice (OpenPandora) can pull off a RAM upgrade, Nokia should have no problem :P |
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| 07:30.48 | johnx | luke-jr, uhm, you missed something |
| 07:31.07 | luke-jr | johnx: of course |
| 07:31.11 | johnx | Nokia has ship dates :P |
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| 07:31.59 | johnx | anyone seen my other SD card lying around? (these things are too easy to lose) |
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| 07:45.12 | cfreak200 | johnx: you got a hint for me where within gconf i should search a gconftool-2 -r / | grep sip only shows me the url-handler entries.. |
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| 07:52.27 | scp1 | Ok, I 'managed' to get ratpoison in my n900... by cheating :p |
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| 07:54.52 | __a | just woke up to read about the n900 ps3 hack.. how awsome is that!?! :D |
| 07:55.24 | scp1 | Use the n900 for playing PS3 games? :p |
| 07:55.40 | __a | hack the ps3 to play backups |
| 07:55.43 | __a | using the n900 |
| 07:55.54 | haltdef | :O |
| 07:56.15 | scp1 | Ok, I'm probably to old since I didnt get that excited. |
| 07:56.53 | Trewas | heh, "backups" |
| 07:57.09 | __a | its cool because the ps3 security has been rock solid until now |
| 07:57.18 | scp1 | what? |
| 07:57.23 | johnx | scp1, it's kind of fun news because sony was worried that by letting people run linux on the PS3 they would expose the console to potential hacks |
| 07:57.26 | scp1 | I thought it was cracked years ago :o |
| 07:57.44 | __a | scp1 no, the first mod chip just came out |
| 07:57.47 | johnx | and then they stopped allowing linux on the PS3 and within months it gets hacked |
| 07:57.56 | johnx | fantastic timing |
| 07:58.03 | __a | and the mod chip software has ben "ported" to the n900 |
| 07:58.03 | scp1 | johnx, Yeah. I actually was going to buy one, just for running linux on it. Then they stopped making that possible. :| |
| 07:58.03 | johnx | I hope that sends the right message to sony |
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| 07:58.23 | __a | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61669 |
| 07:58.38 | scp1 | Now I see why you were excited :) |
| 08:00.23 | __a | i havent been able to play anything yet tho.. the backup manager is slooow |
| 08:00.40 | johnx | the best part is that sony was worried that linux would be a factor in the PS3 hack, it was just that things went in the opposite direction from what they thought |
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| 08:02.10 | __a | what is the exploit exactly? only read that the usb device must be able to act as usb slave.. |
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| 08:07.14 | jpinx-eeepc | when I plug the n900 into the eeepc with usb, how do I get the main n900 filesystem to show? At the moment only the additional SD card shows up |
| 08:08.13 | johnx | does it say anything on the n900 screen? |
| 08:08.47 | johnx | usually it's because there's a file open somewhere in the MyDocs folder |
| 08:09.00 | jpinx-eeepc | and, ultimately, how do I get ssh to work over the usb, so that I can "work" the N900 from the keyboard of the laptop |
| 08:09.18 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: do I have to close everything in thee n900 first? |
| 08:09.45 | johnx | well, generally it should Do the Right Thing (tm), but if it's not working try closing stuff |
| 08:10.20 | johnx | also, is there a reason ssh over wifi isn't working for you? why usb? |
| 08:12.43 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ok - I closed everything and now get a filesystem including cities, DCIM, Mac OS and autorun.inf |
| 08:12.59 | johnx | yup, that's as much access as you get |
| 08:13.00 | jpinx-eeepc | but not the root filesystem of the n900 |
| 08:13.07 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger :( |
| 08:13.15 | jpinx-eeepc | so I can actually do anything useful ? |
| 08:13.27 | johnx | copy stuff onto the device? |
| 08:14.02 | jpinx-eeepc | I amtrying to make the n900 into something useful, but having a kbd that I can actually type on ;) |
| 08:14.03 | johnx | uhm, two machines (generally) can't have the same fs mounted at the same time unless both have it mounted read-only |
| 08:14.28 | jpinx-eeepc | hence the need to ssh into the n900 - preferably over usb |
| 08:14.28 | johnx | do you have wifi where you are? |
| 08:14.44 | jpinx-eeepc | wifi here is complicated |
| 08:15.29 | johnx | I think getting sshd to listen on the USB will be more complicated :) |
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| 08:15.45 | jpinx-eeepc | only one device per username/pwd combo - it's a webpage login wifi service |
| 08:16.12 | johnx | uhm...this is at home? |
| 08:16.16 | jpinx-eeepc | which works fine, but only with either the eeepc or the n900 -- not both |
| 08:16.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Home? |
| 08:16.46 | johnx | I mean, is this your wifi system? or a public one? or the one at work or university? |
| 08:16.47 | jpinx-eeepc | it's where I live at the moment, if you call that home;) |
| 08:17.05 | jpinx-eeepc | it's teh wifi in an apartment block |
| 08:17.14 | jpinx-eeepc | is in Bangkok |
| 08:17.16 | jacekowski | auc |
| 08:17.20 | jacekowski | public unencrypted wifi |
| 08:17.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jacekowski: yea - cool :) |
| 08:17.53 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, aaaah, makes more sense now |
| 08:17.55 | jpinx-eeepc | which is why I want to do the ssh by usb cable ;) |
| 08:18.05 | johnx | I thought that *you* were the one who set the wifi up that way |
| 08:18.15 | jpinx-eeepc | hell no :) |
| 08:18.26 | johnx | yeah, hence my confusion |
| 08:18.56 | johnx | uhm, so the first thing to do is get hooked up over usb and make sure you can ping back and forth |
| 08:19.03 | jpinx-eeepc | so I would like to get ssh over usb to work from the eeepc |
| 08:19.29 | johnx | then you *may* need to find a way to make sshd restart when you bring up the usb interface on the N900 |
| 08:19.32 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm all plugged in, but the N900 offers me PCSuite of Mass Storage only |
| 08:19.52 | jpinx-eeepc | *or |
| 08:20.32 | jpinx-eeepc | as mass storage I can see the filesystems in the eeepc, so the connection is good for that |
| 08:21.13 | johnx | PC suite means "usb ethernet and some other stuff" |
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| 08:21.43 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: yea- I used to have nokia's PCSuite for an older phone |
| 08:21.54 | jpinx-eeepc | but it was for windows |
| 08:22.35 | johnx | right, so select pc suite mode, ubuntu should see it as a network adapter |
| 08:22.43 | jpinx-eeepc | I have root in a shell on the n900 |
| 08:22.50 | psycho_oreos | you can also do file transfers over pcsuite via ssh but its not as stable.. you can also use host PC's internet or vice versa use n900 as wireless broadband |
| 08:23.01 | jpinx-eeepc | and obviously I have root in my DEBIAN eeepc ;) |
| 08:23.11 | johnx | aaaah, not ubuntu |
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| 08:23.44 | johnx | in that case, pc suite on the n900, look at the ip addr on the n900, then ifconfig on the debian box and pick an addr in the same subnet |
| 08:24.02 | johnx | if it works, put it in network/interfaces and make sure it says auto-hotplug or whatever it is |
| 08:24.04 | johnx | forgets |
| 08:24.07 | jpinx-eeepc | where's the IP address to be found in the n900 |
| 08:24.15 | johnx | /sbin/ifconfig usb0 |
| 08:24.20 | jpinx-eeepc | k |
| 08:26.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmmm - usb0 has no IP address - just a MAC |
| 08:27.07 | johnx | and you definitely hit "PC Suite" when plugging it in? |
| 08:27.16 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
| 08:27.22 | johnx | huh |
| 08:27.24 | jpinx-eeepc | unplugs and retries |
| 08:27.31 | delirus | hrm |
| 08:27.37 | delirus | I can do ssh over usb with pc-suite |
| 08:27.42 | *** join/#maemo e-yes (~e-yes@95.73.135.231) |
| 08:27.49 | delirus | But I dunno how to get internet working over it |
| 08:28.05 | jpinx-eeepc | nope - same again - no IP |
| 08:28.36 | *** join/#maemo TermanaN900 (~user@123-3-171-16.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 08:28.36 | jpinx-eeepc | and usb1 correctly says device not found |
| 08:28.47 | psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 08:29.58 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks psycho_oreos - I'll go and read more :) |
| 08:30.12 | johnx | huh. why did it work for me without the ifup ... ? |
| 08:30.26 | delirus | weird |
| 08:31.01 | psycho_oreos | for mine I had to follow that exact guide to get it working but then again USB networking allows n900 to use host's connection |
| 08:31.18 | delirus | not on mine |
| 08:31.31 | delirus | hm |
| 08:33.51 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - how do I get it top not use a capitol letter when I am typing a command in a terminal? |
| 08:34.00 | jpinx-eeepc | damn predictive text thing |
| 08:34.39 | psycho_oreos | its in the settings |
| 08:34.56 | psycho_oreos | something like text inputs |
| 08:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ifup usb0 on mine gives command not found |
| 08:35.13 | johnx | as root |
| 08:35.20 | jpinx-eeepc | or is everything /sbin/ ? |
| 08:35.24 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - I am root |
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| 08:35.39 | johnx | errr, that's weird then |
| 08:36.04 | johnx | using rootsh or something else? |
| 08:36.49 | jpinx-eeepc | typing /sbin/ifup usb0 (while plugged in) gives me ifconfig not found and route not found :( |
| 08:37.04 | ieatlint | jpinx-eeepc: type "id" |
| 08:37.07 | jpinx-eeepc | using rootsh and typing "root"! |
| 08:37.10 | ieatlint | and tell us what is says |
| 08:38.11 | jpinx-eeepc | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
| 08:38.21 | ieatlint | then you're not root, and that's the problem :) |
| 08:38.42 | jpinx-eeepc | there must be a timeout in rootsh? |
| 08:38.58 | johnx | there isn't a timeout in rootsh |
| 08:40.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ok ok ifup worked and I have an IP |
| 08:40.37 | johnx | yay! |
| 08:40.56 | ieatlint | :) |
| 08:41.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ssh from the eeepc to ???@ 192.168.2.15 ? |
| 08:41.20 | jpinx-eeepc | what user? |
| 08:41.21 | kerio | even a ping would work |
| 08:41.26 | ieatlint | root |
| 08:41.27 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, did you setup the connection on your eeepc yet? |
| 08:41.30 | jacekowski | sudo gainroot |
| 08:41.46 | kerio | jacekowski: "root" is a script that does that |
| 08:42.00 | kerio | and it is a *massive* security hole :< |
| 08:42.06 | kerio | can you set the password for the user user? |
| 08:42.26 | ieatlint | kerio: it's not that much of a security hole, as the user account has privs to do most anything anyway |
| 08:42.33 | TermanaN900 | silly penguins. I set mine up so i can use sudo for commands |
| 08:42.56 | ieatlint | as user, i can do things like access all of the stored messages, query the IMSI, etc |
| 08:43.17 | kerio | but... root |
| 08:43.20 | kerio | :< |
| 08:43.29 | kerio | who cares about some stupid messages |
| 08:43.32 | kerio | we're talking about superuser |
| 08:43.35 | ieatlint | :P |
| 08:43.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm - not sure how to activate the usb connection in debian |
| 08:43.57 | johnx | kerio, dude. user has permission to use app manger, which installs packages as root ... |
| 08:44.01 | delirus | jpinx-eeepc: do you have networkmanager on the eeepc? |
| 08:44.08 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, ifconfig -a on your debian box? |
| 08:44.15 | jpinx-eeepc | delirus: nope |
| 08:45.01 | ieatlint | "ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14" as root will do it |
| 08:45.12 | ieatlint | if it says usb0 isn't found, then you've got some fun stuff ahead of you |
| 08:45.27 | jpinx-eeepc | found usb0 and usbpn0 |
| 08:45.28 | ieatlint | (while the phone is plugged in, and "pc suite mode" is selected) |
| 08:46.09 | kerio | yay |
| 08:46.34 | jpinx-eeepc | cool -- looks like ifconfig with the IP address did it |
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| 08:47.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ssh to root wants a password? |
| 08:47.33 | ieatlint | as a warning, "ifup usb0" on the n900 modifies your default route to point to 192.168.2.14 -- so unless you're running some sort of nat or route on your computer (and i'll bet $20 you're not), your n900 is no longer online right now |
| 08:47.41 | bince | import hildon is not working in my python,what should i do,i got the nokia n900 desktop working. |
| 08:47.49 | kerio | ieatlint: huh? |
| 08:47.50 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the default password for roott? |
| 08:47.58 | kerio | didn't work like that for me :| |
| 08:48.03 | ieatlint | kerio: unless this has changed, it sets your default route to point to your desktop |
| 08:48.22 | bince | anyone knows how to get the import hildon workin in pythonm |
| 08:48.25 | bince | python |
| 08:48.39 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, no default password. change it with the passwd command as root |
| 08:48.52 | johnx | or ssh in as user like everyone else does |
| 08:49.05 | mreggen | My n900 suddenly wont boot. It is stuck on the dots (but the dots doesnt freeze, they just keep blinking). I set the RD flag with flasher, and when booting it says "no initfs \o/". What is the best course of action from here? I had the newest PR release with kernel-power. |
| 08:49.21 | jpinx-eeepc | I have no passwords set on my n900 |
| 08:49.34 | kerio | mreggen: no initfs \o/ |
| 08:49.41 | kerio | it's happy |
| 08:49.53 | mreggen | kerio: yup, how the hell can the initfs suddenly disappear? |
| 08:49.58 | kerio | no idea |
| 08:50.01 | kerio | what did you do? |
| 08:50.02 | johnx | mreggen, flash default kernel and initfs? |
| 08:50.09 | mreggen | I was think \o/ was more of a scream :P |
| 08:50.18 | bince | any one knows coding in python |
| 08:50.29 | kerio | bince: sure, a lot of people do |
| 08:50.50 | ieatlint | bince: i'm still working on VB, but i can't seem to get it to run on my n900 :( |
| 08:50.51 | johnx | so first off, what do you mean by "not working" |
| 08:51.04 | johnx | ^bince^ |
| 08:51.21 | kerio | vb? |
| 08:51.45 | mreggen | johnx: so just reflash the standard 1.2 image and initfs should come back? no need to touch the eMMC? |
| 08:52.06 | bince | johnx:import hildon is returning error,sayin that header is not found in python. |
| 08:52.12 | johnx | mreggen, I would recommend just the kernel and initfs first. it's worth a shot |
| 08:52.25 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ssh connect to root at n900ip is refused |
| 08:52.29 | bince | so how can i get the hildon working inside python |
| 08:52.31 | johnx | bince, are you following a guide? |
| 08:52.59 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, restart ssh on the n900 (like I mentioned earlier :) ) |
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| 08:53.07 | bince | johnx:nope,i used the gui installer for maemo sdk,and that i got its installed |
| 08:53.32 | mreggen | johnx: is "and initfs" something more than flashing with flasher-3.5 -F <image> -f -R ? |
| 08:54.15 | johnx | mreggen, when you flash that way you flash the bootloader(s), kernel, initfs and rootfs |
| 08:54.25 | mreggen | ok, thanks |
| 08:54.31 | bince | johnx:http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_Maemo then i used this website to start python coding for maemo |
| 08:54.34 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: not accoring to my lastlog;) how does one restart stuff in Maemo? |
| 08:54.37 | johnx | mreggen, so this is flashing *less* |
| 08:54.55 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, as root: /etc/init.d/ssh restart (just like debian ... ) |
| 08:55.03 | crashanddie | Oh the sweet taste of Epic Fail: "To sweeten their first day at primary school German children are normally given a cardboard cone filled with sweets, but schoolchildren in Essen this year opened their cones to find pens which project erotic images." |
| 08:55.03 | jpinx-eeepc | cool :) |
| 08:55.07 | bince | johnx:do i need to install pymaemo |
| 08:55.14 | mreggen | how do I flash just the kernel and initfs? |
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| 08:56.28 | jacekowski | johnx: vb as in virtual basic? |
| 08:56.32 | jacekowski | visual basic* |
| 08:56.39 | jacekowski | or virtual box? |
| 08:56.44 | johnx | mreggen, -k instead of -F |
| 08:57.07 | jacekowski | ieatlint: ehh, that would be question for you |
| 08:57.14 | johnx | jacekowski, I think ieatlint said that. and yes I assume he was joking about visual basic :) |
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| 08:57.33 | jacekowski | well, vb is better than python |
| 08:57.34 | mreggen | thanks |
| 08:57.38 | johnx | bince, are you trying to develop for maemo 4 ( N8x0 ) or maemo 5 ( N900 ) |
| 08:57.55 | johnx | mreggen, but look at the help for flasher to make sure I'm not in error :) |
| 08:57.57 | ieatlint | :P |
| 08:58.00 | bince | maemo 5,but i only found this link for python ;( |
| 08:58.03 | bince | :( |
| 08:58.20 | ieatlint | although i'm not sure i could get virtualbox to run on the n900 either |
| 08:58.36 | bince | johnx:maemo 5,but i only found this link for python :( |
| 08:59.10 | johnx | bince, google again. try: develop python n900 |
| 08:59.28 | johnx | there are plenty of guides (I found several that looked much more modern and helpful) |
| 08:59.48 | bince | johnx:yeah i found an wiki site,now lookin at it :D |
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| 09:07.36 | jpinx-eeepc | can I stop the little vibrate the n900 does eveery time I touch teh screen? |
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| 09:07.46 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, yes |
| 09:07.51 | ToJa92 | [jpinx-eeepc]: Yes, its in screen settings |
| 09:07.51 | johnx | it's in display settings, IIRC |
| 09:08.07 | jpinx-eeepc | tks |
| 09:09.00 | luke-jr | ieatlint: there is 0 possibility of VirtualBox ever working on N900 :P |
| 09:09.56 | ieatlint | i dunno, oracle is such an awesome company, i wouldn't rule it out |
| 09:10.22 | luke-jr | Oracle is anything but awesome⦠|
| 09:10.24 | BCMM | isn't VirtualBox an thing for running more than one x86 OS on x86 hardware? |
| 09:10.25 | johnx | ieatlint, yeah. it's really cool the new direction they're taking opensolaris |
| 09:10.29 | luke-jr | BCMM: yes |
| 09:10.38 | ieatlint | not just opensolaris |
| 09:11.03 | ieatlint | they're really taking mysql and java in awesome new directions too |
| 09:11.16 | luke-jr | MySQL and Java are crap :P |
| 09:11.17 | ieatlint | and a large percentage of sun's staff |
| 09:11.30 | ieatlint | well, at least 10% of them, anyway... :P |
| 09:11.37 | BCMM | so it's vaguely possible that something branded "virtualbox" could exist on the n900, but it wouldn't share much code with virtualbox as it is now |
| 09:11.51 | BCMM | because it does something entirely irrelevant to the n900 |
| 09:11.53 | TermanaN900 | ieatlint, im sorry sir - im going to have to ask you to leave the internet |
| 09:11.54 | luke-jr | oh well, bed time for me |
| 09:12.13 | luke-jr | BCMM: well, VirtualBox is extremely based off qemu code, so in theory I guess they could just revert more⦠|
| 09:12.21 | ieatlint | TermanaN900: because trolling has no place on the internet? |
| 09:12.29 | luke-jr | anyhow, night |
| 09:12.34 | TermanaN900 | ieatlint, :P |
| 09:12.43 | kerio | qemu on n900! |
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| 09:12.51 | johnx | ieatlint, nah, it's legitimate sarcasm that has no place |
| 09:12.59 | ieatlint | :( |
| 09:13.16 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: I suppose it was too much to expctt ssh to be on the n900 :( |
| 09:13.24 | kerio | huh |
| 09:13.31 | kerio | apt-get install openssh |
| 09:14.50 | ShadowJK | enable extras and openssh is in app manager |
| 09:15.00 | ShadowJK | extras or "maemo.org" |
| 09:15.06 | SpeedEvil | quack. |
| 09:15.08 | ieatlint | i've got beer, so i can deal with my unappreciated sarcasm |
| 09:15.17 | jpinx-eeepc | yea yea - that'll be after I disconnect the eeepc - get the n900 to play niceely with the public wifi here, and hope that the connection speed will be enough to get ssh before Xmas ;) |
| 09:15.49 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, it didn't work out? |
| 09:16.05 | johnx | I mean, it's definitely possible. keep trying |
| 09:16.07 | SpeedEvil | I offer a service to send you a copy of any program on extras, for only $15, on a SD in the post. |
| 09:16.11 | ieatlint | jpinx-eeepc: as a note, if you have wifi, you can just connect your phone and computer to the same wifi and ssh over it instead of doing all this usb networking |
| 09:16.12 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: I need to install openssh first |
| 09:16.16 | SpeedEvil | Just in case. :) |
| 09:16.35 | jpinx-eeepc | ieatlint: no I can't :( |
| 09:16.37 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: do i get to keep the sd? |
| 09:16.40 | johnx | ieatlint, his wifi siwtuation is legitimately special |
| 09:16.46 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Sure! |
| 09:17.08 | ieatlint | are you going to post my address on craigslist with malicious intent |
| 09:17.34 | SpeedEvil | 256M uSDs are quite inexpensive :) |
| 09:17.46 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: I'll be back (tm) |
| 09:17.57 | johnx | SpeedEvil, never saw one :) |
| 09:18.13 | SpeedEvil | wonders why his laptop hung. |
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| 09:38.47 | kerio | i want a 256GiB µSD |
| 09:39.08 | kerio | someone should really find a way to reprogram µSDs |
| 09:39.38 | kerio | then you could have an array of network-connected µSDs acting like a server |
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| 09:42.27 | SpeedEvil | They do have a in principle reprogrammable quite capable micro in. |
| 09:42.49 | SpeedEvil | But it can't be connected to a network |
| 09:43.09 | kerio | SpeedEvil: SDIO |
| 09:43.19 | SpeedEvil | SD != SDIO |
| 09:43.54 | johnx | kerio, what |
| 09:51.40 | kerio | johnx: all SDs have a tiny cpu |
| 09:52.29 | johnx | CF > SD |
| 09:52.33 | SpeedEvil | So do nearly all microwaves. |
| 09:52.40 | SpeedEvil | This does not mean you can reprogram them. |
| 09:52.53 | kerio | s/\./ easily./ |
| 09:53.16 | kerio | i'd really go for a microwave with a web interface |
| 09:53.27 | kerio | with that in mind, how's your project going? |
| 09:53.35 | MohammadAG51 | OpenWRT on a microwave |
| 09:53.54 | MohammadAG51 | ssh root@microwave defrost --start |
| 09:53.59 | johnx | MohammadAG51, easy. just keep boosting the power output :) |
| 09:54.14 | MohammadAG51 | ssh user@microwave warm sandwhich |
| 09:54.29 | MohammadAG51 | Permission Denied |
| 09:54.47 | johnx | gah. microwave warmed sandwich |
| 09:55.02 | mreggen | I have exactly this problem; http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49474 . When ronaldo says "flash the eMMC and then do firmware"; he means the other way around right? You have to flash fiasco _before_ the eMMC? |
| 09:55.07 | kerio | ssh root@MohammadAG51 suck ~kerio/balls |
| 09:55.23 | kerio | mreggen: you can do whatever order you want |
| 09:55.29 | johnx | mreggen, doesn't matter which one you flash first as long as you don't reboot in between |
| 09:55.29 | MohammadAG51 | Account disabled |
| 09:55.32 | kerio | but you have to flash the fiasco image if you want to flash the eMMC |
| 09:55.33 | johnx | so leave out the -R the first time |
| 09:55.36 | kerio | and don't reboot |
| 09:55.50 | kerio | MohammadAG51: are you running ubuntu? :| |
| 09:56.02 | mreggen | Ok, thanks. johnx: as you probably understand, flashing just initfs and kernel did not work :S |
| 09:56.05 | SpeedEvil | kerio: It's stalled. I have way too much other stuff going on. I do have the bits ready to get my microwave online. |
| 09:56.07 | mreggen | As the guy in the thread says |
| 09:56.13 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, Connection refused |
| 09:56.13 | johnx | mreggen, bummer. sorry to hear that |
| 09:57.36 | johnx | anyways, time to sleep |
| 09:57.38 | johnx | 'night all |
| 09:57.56 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: g'nite mate - |
| 09:58.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops - gone |
| 09:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: mooo, and no. But johnx sait my assumption it might be related to swap seems to be correct |
| 09:58.21 | SpeedEvil | swapoff -a |
| 09:59.10 | SpeedEvil | On another matter. |
| 09:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know |
| 09:59.29 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 09:59.45 | SpeedEvil | Don't you hate it when you forgret what you're saying midway through a sentance. |
| 09:59.49 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 09:59.53 | SpeedEvil | Ah yes. |
| 10:00.06 | SpeedEvil | A camera app that can be triggered by the headset button |
| 10:01.37 | crashanddie | Roughly 60M people in the UK. 32M are retired, 17M in schools or education, 8M employed by the government, 1.2M in the military, 800k working for councils, 488k in hospitals and 512k in prison. |
| 10:02.09 | crashanddie | Which basically means that the UK's economy is founded on the non-registered illegal aliens. |
| 10:03.04 | kerio | SpeedEvil: write your own! |
| 10:03.05 | kerio | :D |
| 10:03.07 | kerio | hack fcamera |
| 10:03.29 | jpinx-eeepc | same as it used to be founded on the grossly underpaid irish labour who built most of UK motorway system? |
| 10:04.01 | SpeedEvil | kerio: yeah |
| 10:04.22 | crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc: well, you lot were flogging in by the boatload, we had to give you summing to do. |
| 10:05.31 | jpinx-eeepc | one presumes that crashanddie actually remembers this from first hand experience? |
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| 10:16.29 | berkes | I want to use my n900 as mobile modem for my ubuntu 10.04. Ubuntu's network manager picks up my phone just fine, but fails to connect to 3g over it. Anyone help me troubleshoot? |
| 10:16.58 | kerio | berkes: i suggest you use something like mobilehotspot |
| 10:17.09 | kerio | *way* easier to set up |
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| 10:17.29 | kerio | or install the Bluetooth DUN package |
| 10:17.40 | kerio | or... |
| 10:17.44 | kerio | what script are you using? |
| 10:17.49 | kerio | are you using *99# as the phone number? |
| 10:17.52 | berkes | kerio, using pc-suite over usb is supposed to be dead easy too, |
| 10:18.00 | berkes | kerio, yes, I am. |
| 10:18.35 | berkes | this is the log that network-manager in ubuntu writes out: http://gist.github.com/565066 |
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| 10:20.23 | berkes | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/tips/tethering/ lead me to http://anidel.blogspot.com/2009/10/n900-as-modem-for-ubuntu-910.html. It all /seems/ fine, but fails to connect. |
| 10:20.37 | Venemo_N900 | Good afternoon guys |
| 10:20.54 | kerio | berkes: is the connection closed, on the n900 side? |
| 10:21.40 | berkes | kerio, I tried both with an opened connection and a closed. Just found out that with an open connection, network-manager is a lot more verbose. |
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| 10:21.45 | SpeedEvil | berkes: and you have plugged it in by USB, and selected 'ps suite' mode? |
| 10:21.49 | SpeedEvil | c |
| 10:22.20 | kerio | ps suite, the new exciting way to list and stop running processes! coming next june on your n900 |
| 10:22.44 | Venemo_N900 | Lol |
| 10:23.13 | berkes | SpeedEvil, yup, I did. And I have Network manager configured. |
| 10:23.24 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea about network manager. |
| 10:23.32 | kerio | berkes: and you're *sure* you entered the right data to connect? |
| 10:23.33 | SpeedEvil | I write pppd confs by hand. |
| 10:23.38 | kerio | apn, user/pass? |
| 10:23.44 | SpeedEvil | Hence the 'state 3' are unhelpful. |
| 10:23.54 | berkes | SpeedEvil, yea, me neither :( I have asked in #ubuntu several times, but no luck there (too noisy room!) |
| 10:24.14 | SpeedEvil | I would try to get it to dump ppp logs |
| 10:24.17 | berkes | kerio, no, I am not sure. And frankly, I have no idea how to find out. |
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| 10:24.29 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes my CSP decides i'ts not going to do that today. |
| 10:24.32 | SpeedEvil | For no good reason |
| 10:24.43 | berkes | CSP ? |
| 10:24.46 | kerio | berkes: huh |
| 10:24.55 | kerio | check network settings on the n900 and copy those on ubuntu |
| 10:25.19 | mreggen | So I have this exact problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49474 (no initfs). Did a firmware flash then an EMMC flash just fine. Still does not boot. Still says no initfs. Does anyone have any suggestions or is this brick going in to the nokia shop? |
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| 10:25.46 | kerio | you probably fucked up something i guess |
| 10:25.51 | kerio | ask nokia care |
| 10:25.52 | kerio | they care |
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| 10:26.00 | mreggen | In the flashing? |
| 10:26.15 | mreggen | Flashing finished just fine as far as I could tell. |
| 10:26.36 | mreggen | Only thing I did before this problem was to power it off before charging the battery at night |
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| 10:28.19 | berkes | hm "settings > network" only seems to list wifi settings. Where are the GPRS settings stored? |
| 10:29.22 | jpinx-eeepc | berkes: it's called "INTERNET" |
| 10:29.37 | BCMM | i like the internet |
| 10:30.52 | berkes | jpinx-eeepc, sorry, that is what I meant. but NM, the setting is there, just that the amount of wifi-conn. was so large that i looked over the GPRs one. :$ |
| 10:30.52 | jacekowski | does anybody else have problem with charging using nokia dedicated charger |
| 10:31.00 | jacekowski | connector seems little bit loose |
| 10:31.17 | jacekowski | with normal usb cable it works fine |
| 10:31.27 | jacekowski | but plug on charger is having some problems |
| 10:31.47 | BCMM | jacekowski: not the case here, so i guess your charger is damaged |
| 10:32.02 | jacekowski | well connector looks ok |
| 10:32.07 | jacekowski | and if i plug it in |
| 10:32.20 | jpinx-eeepc | jacekowski: I have some issues with the little adaptor from traditional charger to USB |
| 10:32.53 | jacekowski | and push plug in forward direction it charges fine |
| 10:32.55 | SpeedEvil | why not just use the USB charger? |
| 10:32.57 | jacekowski | so charger is working |
| 10:33.05 | jacekowski | it's just a connector on usb charger |
| 10:33.07 | BCMM | charging from a PC is slower isn't it? |
| 10:33.20 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: usually, yes |
| 10:33.20 | jacekowski | normal usb cable from pc works fine |
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| 10:36.35 | kerio | jacekowski: failing usb port is failing |
| 10:36.36 | kerio | did the same for me |
| 10:36.38 | kerio | first the wallcharger doesn't work but everything else does |
| 10:36.50 | kerio | then nothing connects unless you twist the plug in a weird way |
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| 10:48.19 | Venemo_N900 | ~seen lcuk |
| 10:48.23 | infobot | lcuk is currently on #maemo (1d 15h 24s) #meego (1d 15h 24s). Has said a total of 406 messages. Is idling for 9h 4m 18s, last said: 'hmm'. |
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| 11:31.05 | mreggen | Jesus. The N900 gave me the "No initfs" error. Would not boot (flashed everything). Put the simcard in my backup Nokia 1208 and it says "simcard rejected". Now the n900 boots without the simcard o_O. Isn't it funny that a $20 phone gives an exact error message? |
| 11:31.45 | secyritas | omm |
| 11:32.43 | jpinx-eeepc | mreggen: if it's any consolation I am using an ancient nokia 6310i to double check stuff for the n900 because some clown neglected to give good error information |
| 11:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: check your USB receptacle. All your descriptions sound rather scary and suspicious, receptacle might start to come loose |
| 11:33.29 | jpinx-eeepc | unfortunately the n900 sux in many ways - possibly too many to fix and make it useable |
| 11:33.33 | mreggen | jpinx-eeepc: yeah. I just flashed over everything, including EMMC with no backup :(. Im really curious how the sim suddenly broke without doing anything though |
| 11:34.13 | jpinx-eeepc | mreggen: can you get the operators service people to check the sim for details? |
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| 11:35.06 | mreggen | jpinx-eeepc: well, the sim is not online in any phone now as the 1208 wont accept it. How can they check it then? (and i cant call them now either as I am without any usable phone, lol) |
| 11:35.08 | ElAngelo | hi |
| 11:35.15 | ElAngelo | is it possible to change the phone application? |
| 11:35.27 | ElAngelo | i would like to have a sliding button to pick up the phone |
| 11:35.39 | jpinx-eeepc | mreggen: I mean if you can physically take it to their service shop |
| 11:35.42 | ElAngelo | now i accidently shut it off way too much |
| 11:36.13 | mreggen | jpinx-eeepc: ah, its a low price norwegian online thing. no pysical locations. will just email them for replacement sim I guess. |
| 11:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | eibeen suggested by me some time ago (sliding button). Alas it's virtually impossible to swap the dialer app |
| 11:36.35 | ElAngelo | pity |
| 11:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | ElAngelo: ^^^ |
| 11:36.49 | jpinx-eeepc | mreggen: :/ |
| 11:36.51 | ElAngelo | and is there an applet for the desktop to set my im accounts offline or online? |
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| 11:37.02 | ElAngelo | so i don't have to go into that menu every time |
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| 11:45.42 | MNZ | ElAngelo, just click the status bar and click 'Availability' |
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| 11:55.14 | lcuk | ~seen Venemo_n900 |
| 11:55.18 | infobot | venemo_n900 <~communi@catv-89-132-105-133.catv.broadband.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 6m 59s ago, saying: '~seen lcuk'. |
| 11:55.27 | lcuk | chuckles |
| 11:56.24 | MNZ | heh |
| 11:57.05 | lcuk | morning MNZ |
| 11:57.50 | MNZ | morning mate |
| 12:00.02 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it was said to be similar to add a button to the sharing dialog, but albanc managed it. |
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| 12:00.29 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, did you get to the bottom of the copying thing last night |
| 12:01.02 | lcuk | ended up playing eye spy with jake. rather odd time but he couldnt sleep again |
| 12:02.55 | pupnik | nice to play with kids |
| 12:03.02 | pupnik | reminds you of what play is |
| 12:03.29 | lcuk | pupnik, always, but at 3am its not so good |
| 12:03.39 | pupnik | nop |
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| 12:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (adding/swapping button) I suggested it could probably be done easily by ld_preload'ing the related qt libs. But it's such a disgusting embarrassing hack, I'd really prefer to see Nokia open up source for a number of core apps, like dialer. All the rationale why they can't is really nonsense |
| 12:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (cp thing) seems turned out to be swap related, as sugested by me. Swap on same eMMC card brings everything to a grinding halt when writing huge amounts of data to eMMC |
| 12:09.30 | SpeedEvil | wishes someone would fix swap. |
| 12:09.39 | SpeedEvil | I have a sort-of-written spec for a hack. |
| 12:09.47 | SpeedEvil | Basically a simple nbd server |
| 12:09.54 | SpeedEvil | that is local and file-based. |
| 12:10.11 | SpeedEvil | and implements a circular buffer sort-of, with garbage collection |
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| 12:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | (maybe s/qt libs/gtk libs, whatever,/ ) |
| 12:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | heck, we even could patch the binary, but WTF?! |
| 12:12.17 | jacekowski | add swap prefetch |
| 12:12.25 | jacekowski | that would fix the problem |
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| 12:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | do it, prove it, show it |
| 12:13.31 | SpeedEvil | swap prefetch entirely does not fix the problem |
| 12:13.39 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't help fragmentation at all |
| 12:14.51 | kerio | i think swap is a pretty cool guy. eh grinds systems to a halt during IO and doesn't afraid of anything |
| 12:15.45 | zash | oh lawl |
| 12:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, kswapd is a sucker |
| 12:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | braindamaged, it seems |
| 12:16.54 | secyritas | that was scary o.O |
| 12:17.22 | secyritas | N900 was connected to computer and seemingly charging but suddenly said charge battery and shut down |
| 12:18.06 | pupnik | i saw that |
| 12:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | and the most funny thing is, even when a process runs at nice 20, still the IO caused by such process seems to massively interfere with kswapd. As well as kswapd IO kills whole system in itself, even when process owning the swapping pages is at nice 20 |
| 12:19.00 | kerio | nice 20 kswapd! :D |
| 12:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | secyritas: if it's been connected to some sorta hub, or any kind of non-standard USB port, it might easily end up with 'charging' @ 100mA rate, which basically means it's discharging dispite of external (weak) power |
| 12:20.26 | kerio | 100mA should be enough for everyone |
| 12:20.43 | kerio | (is it enough with an idle system in offline mode?) |
| 12:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | that was meant to be what now? |
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| 12:21.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nothing, i'm just in meme-spewing mode because i'm tired |
| 12:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: seems even USB data hardware is eating some 50mA |
| 12:22.54 | kerio | how can the n900 have all of these obvious flaws and then still end up being an incredibly awesome device? |
| 12:24.04 | secyritas | DocScrutinizer: i believe you are right thought i dont have any hubs connected |
| 12:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's what you observe when plugging in non-standards conforming fastcharger (D+- missing) - device thinks that's a host ut there, as there's VBUS, and battery consumption *rises* by some 50..60mA, as no charging whatsoever is enabled, giving any ENUM or D+- short is missing |
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| 12:26.07 | asj_ | DocScrutinizer: if kswapd is running it's irrelvant the 'nice' level of the original process |
| 12:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | secyritas: also can be caused by defect cable (no ENUM), or simply by host going suspend or the like (also no [more?] ENUM) |
| 12:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | asj_: that's my point |
| 12:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | asj_: sorry if I wasn't clear on that |
| 12:27.08 | asj_ | DocScrutinizer: I havent checked, but I bet it grabs some big locks since it's messing with memory. Ok, gotcha |
| 12:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | ack for the big kernel lock |
| 12:27.28 | SpeedEvil | It would be lovely if you could do per-user swap |
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| 12:27.42 | SpeedEvil | For example - be able to say 'user x swaps on device foo' |
| 12:27.59 | SpeedEvil | So if device foo goes away - only user x's processes fault |
| 12:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: run for patetnt! nice idea :-D |
| 12:28.07 | kerio | poor user x |
| 12:28.09 | asj_ | mm, having a mobile device that swaps is really indicative of a bigger problem though |
| 12:28.16 | kerio | why do his processes have to suffer |
| 12:28.24 | SpeedEvil | asj_: well - yes and no. |
| 12:28.47 | SpeedEvil | asj_: in principle it would of course be better to rewrite it so that the apps used less memory. But... |
| 12:28.47 | kerio | asj_: swapping can be good, if the alternative is having less battery because RAM takes more pw |
| 12:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | the bigger problem is the smaller RAM :-P |
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| 12:29.23 | felipec | has anyone succeeded in compiling sdl apps on maemo? |
| 12:29.23 | kerio | i mean, the IO of the swap probably balances that out |
| 12:29.35 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: while I'm all for dumping idle pages out...but the write speeds are so slow. But what are you going to do with you're running firefox :| |
| 12:29.36 | kerio | felipec: mame runs fine, and i think it's sdl |
| 12:29.38 | lcuk | felipec, sdl works happily? |
| 12:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | ( why does that sound like diction of some exotic species in well known SF movies? ) |
| 12:30.22 | asj_ | and it's not like we're writing less memory hungry apps, ever. (look at symbian for an example of doing-it-wrong) |
| 12:30.35 | felipec | lcuk: I'm compiling ffmpeg and I get: ld: warning: libasound.so.2, needed by /usr/lib/libSDL.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) |
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| 12:31.27 | asj_ | kerio: mmm <shrug> we just need better bat tech, and less leaky mem ;) see, solved ;) |
| 12:31.34 | lcuk | felipec, sdl 1.2 and 1.3 are available |
| 12:31.35 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=sdl&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same |
| 12:32.06 | kerio | asj_: yeah |
| 12:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | is fetching the lart, er dart, to recalibrate developers' attitude regarding memory usage |
| 12:32.18 | kerio | how about a tiny fusion reactor |
| 12:32.38 | felipec | lcuk: yeah, with sdl 1.3 ffmpeg compiles fine, but it's not on extras |
| 12:32.48 | asj_ | though people don't like batteries catching fire atm, imagin what'll happen when energy densities get to high when they blow it takes out your house and your neighbors...ah well, can't be helped I need phone ;) |
| 12:32.57 | satmd | a fusion reactor for the n900? I'm all for it ;D |
| 12:33.26 | kerio | think about it |
| 12:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, the cp stall problem of last night was a special species of sucking critter, as it happened on swap virtually unused (it was down to some 8%) |
| 12:33.34 | kerio | a hydrogen-fueled battery that runs for a millennium |
| 12:33.49 | kerio | and then, bme would still find a way to fuck things up |
| 12:34.24 | asj_ | goes to bed |
| 12:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: you'd need plutonium powered thermocells for that |
| 12:35.09 | lcuk | felipec, contact wilson perhaps and see whether he wants to push it |
| 12:35.34 | lcuk | or start/continue a discussion about testing it thoroughly and getting it there |
| 12:36.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i don't want plutonium anywhere near the bme |
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| 12:36.27 | kerio | i mean |
| 12:36.33 | kerio | i don't want bme anywhere near plutonium |
| 12:36.39 | felipec | lcuk: I'm not interested in that... I just want to run ffplay on my device without messing the system :) |
| 12:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: otheer way round it's more reasonable: you don't want bme next to any plutonium :-P |
| 12:36.48 | lcuk | of course |
| 12:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | oh you already said that |
| 12:38.11 | felipec | lcuk: http://pastie.org/1137797 |
| 12:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | I start to feel temped to do my little fance of last weekend once again: swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 && swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 && cp /dev/zero ~user/MyDocs/foobar |
| 12:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | might show if it's interface/eMMC-controller related, or a general spinlock problem of kernel |
| 12:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | and, btw, where's tstkeeps when he should listen |
| 12:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps even |
| 12:43.14 | lcuk | hmm felipec have you installed 1.3 from -devel |
| 12:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: the swapoff took some 3 min to complete, though there were just ~60MB swap used when I did that |
| 12:43.36 | felipec | lcuk: with 1.3 it works, with 1.2 it doesn't |
| 12:44.06 | felipec | lcuk: if I remove the --rpath-link options it works, so I'm thinking 1.2 is missing something from sdl-config |
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| 12:45.33 | lcuk | pm your mail address, I will fire a quick mail off to the maintainer on your behalf but really this is his task and there might be other blockers which we don't see |
| 12:46.09 | lcuk | has his own blockers to unblock today |
| 12:46.35 | berkes | okaay! way to go, vodafone: tethering /was/ dead-easy, and worked all along. Just that i chose the "business"-plan, and should have chosen the "none-businessplan". My "bedrijfsabonnement"(Dutch for businessplan) is, after all a none-business plan at vodafone. OH! The logic! :) |
| 12:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't there complaints about SSU was borked for somebody, as apt reported checksum madness or something, for *sdl* lib? |
| 12:47.16 | berkes | but thanks for the help, kerio, nonetheless. :) |
| 12:47.32 | kerio | berkes: nonetheless? |
| 12:47.33 | kerio | huh? |
| 12:47.36 | kerio | i told you to recheck! |
| 12:48.06 | berkes | yea, you helped me, earlier on. I found out that it was nothing sofware, or hardware related, but stupid vodafone naming issues :) |
| 12:48.21 | kerio | "stupid" and "vodafone" being the key points in that sentence |
| 12:49.15 | berkes | kerio, yea, me being stupid for not doublechecking their exact details. But seriously, who wouldve guessed that a "business account" falls under "none-business" ? :) |
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| 12:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | never underestimate the satanic ingenuity of carrier's marketing droids |
| 12:49.49 | kerio | usually business vs non-business is really "voice+data account" vs "data only account" |
| 12:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, seems to me we got no such things like business plans anymore here in Germany. Just all kinds of airbags, easy weekends, free+nowhere and similar inventive crap with absolutely no real meaning |
| 12:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | and always you got 80+ lines of 3pt fineprint, that still don't cover all the gory details |
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| 12:52.43 | panthere_noire | Hi, |
| 12:52.43 | panthere_noire | I have a nokia N900, the fstab is to restore the machine to start What can I do to prevent this? |
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| 12:52.43 | panthere_noire | (I speak only French is used for the google translation) |
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| 12:53.46 | erokkie | hmm, the bad translator turns "fstab is reset on startup" into "in most fstab file" |
| 12:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | oh, that's why it made little sense to me on first read |
| 12:54.12 | felipec | lcuk: aha! SDL 1.2: "-L/usr/lib -lSDL", SDL 1.3: "-L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread" |
| 12:54.41 | lcuk | felipec, :D ahh so you can build using sdl1.2 and not have a big problem! |
| 12:54.52 | lcuk | panthere_noire, :( if you have reboot loop. try plug usb and turn on N900. BACKUP if possible. |
| 12:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: the fstab is regenerated on every boot, somewhere in the init scripts |
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| 12:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: you don't usually want to mess with that, as it is dangerous |
| 12:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: do not rely on fstab edit. You need to implement any things you want to get done, in a more explicit way, by adding to the init scripts |
| 12:57.02 | panthere_noire | ok I understood for the backup I am familiar with debian, I just want to test without the swap. an idea of the name of the script? |
| 12:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: e.g instead of `mount -a` you need to explicitly write `mount device where someoptions bla` |
| 12:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | grep swapon etc/init.d/* |
| 12:58.14 | felipec | lcuk: I can't find Wilson Tang's email |
| 12:58.24 | panthere_noire | swapon-off was not working because it uses |
| 12:58.33 | panthere_noire | ok search :p |
| 12:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# grep swapon /etc/init.d/* |
| 12:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/init.d/rcS: swapon $swap |
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| 13:00.08 | lcuk | felipec, i have PM it to you, its in the debian changelog |
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| 13:00.35 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: again, *be careful*! messing with initscripts easily gets you to a point of reflashing as last resort |
| 13:02.14 | panthere_noire | I know I have flash. for the swap I do not think his real problem |
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| 13:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 worked for me |
| 13:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: even after system had finished to boot up |
| 13:11.19 | panthere_noire | the command is 0 gives free good thank you:)) |
| 13:13.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: and then what happens once you run out of the 256mb of ram? |
| 13:13.54 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 13:13.54 | panthere_noire | well apparently its not working without the swap, too many open its application. vai me see if I can not adjust the level of the swap |
| 13:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | guess! |
| 13:13.58 | MohammadAG | pyqt4 is broken |
| 13:14.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm... cake comes out? |
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| 13:14.19 | MohammadAG | who maintains python? |
| 13:14.25 | kerio | hmm... GvR? |
| 13:14.30 | kerio | oh, you mean the maemo package |
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| 13:14.41 | MohammadAG | pyQt on maemo |
| 13:14.49 | MohammadAG | I hate smartasses |
| 13:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: malloc() will fail, simple as that |
| 13:15.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: that's not very good :( |
| 13:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | or, probably, OOM will kick in, killing off processes |
| 13:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: well, if you don't like that, just add a 2GB memory module |
| 13:19.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: would a USB addon be feasible? |
| 13:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | sure, if you patch the kernels memory mapper |
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| 13:20.16 | kerio | what about a usb mass device that's actually just ram? |
| 13:20.18 | ZogG | hey |
| 13:20.23 | ZogG | MohammadAG, hey |
| 13:20.36 | ZogG | so i'm trying to flash to no-r&D mode |
| 13:20.43 | ZogG | and i get kinda error |
| 13:20.51 | kerio | how laggy is usb? |
| 13:21.01 | panthere_noire | DocScrutinizer, |
| 13:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: 42 |
| 13:21.02 | panthere_noire | option-p is not available for swapon |
| 13:21.02 | panthere_noire | or it is possible to do otherwise with "-p"? |
| 13:21.05 | ZogG | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> |
| 13:21.05 | ZogG | The device is now in production mode |
| 13:21.16 | ZogG | ok does it says i flashed it succesfully? |
| 13:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: not with busybox swapon |
| 13:22.30 | panthere_noire | oh,I can do otherwise? |
| 13:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 13:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | there *might* be swapon in some other package |
| 13:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | but I doubt |
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| 13:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably you need to build from scratch, err source, for maemo |
| 13:24.04 | panthere_noire | ok and if I take one of the debian could walk? |
| 13:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | though it's unclear if even kswapd (aka kernel) is supporting swap priorities, on maemo |
| 13:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: either works, fails, or segfaults :-) |
| 13:25.24 | panthere_noire | ok :'( tanks for information |
| 13:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | you are welcome |
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| 13:27.23 | panthere_noire | :) |
| 13:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: anyway, you know about `cat /proc/swaps` which at least is a replacement of another missing function in busybox swapon/off |
| 13:28.32 | panthere_noire | ok :) |
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| 13:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: no idea if busybox swapon -a respects priorities set in fstab. As fstab is regenerated on every boot, I'd guess messing with fstab a little bit is not too dangerous. Just append a line for your swap, containing the correct prio filed (which I fail to grep the correct format in manpages ATM) |
| 13:37.32 | panthere_noire | exactly how? |
| 13:40.33 | tank-man | kerio, i think win7/vista does this, called flash boots or something |
| 13:40.52 | tank-man | boost |
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| 13:43.29 | SpeedEvil | fstab is autogenerated |
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| 13:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: we are aware of this |
| 13:52.58 | panthere_noire | What has the service process (demon?) / usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 |
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| 13:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: sorry? |
| 13:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | panthere_noire: bme is the battery management entity |
| 13:53.36 | SpeedEvil | Are you asking what BME does? |
| 13:53.50 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 13:54.17 | SpeedEvil | Actually - that's a poor page from that perspecitve - it doesn't really explain what it is. |
| 13:54.19 | panthere_noire | tanks :)) |
| 13:54.28 | SpeedEvil | but it's ok |
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| 13:56.36 | npt | so is the last release from nokia as far as you can go with an n800? I have been out of the internet tablet scene for a while... |
| 13:56.48 | SpeedEvil | n900 |
| 13:56.49 | npt | is there anything like the "hacker edition" for the 770? |
| 13:56.53 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:56.55 | SpeedEvil | sorry |
| 13:56.56 | npt | yeah I know about the n900 |
| 13:57.03 | SpeedEvil | I'm not fully awake |
| 13:57.07 | npt | I meant is there anything FURTHER |
| 13:57.11 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:57.12 | lcuk | npt telescope |
| 13:57.13 | npt | than the last official nokia |
| 13:57.20 | npt | telescope? |
| 13:57.26 | npt | please do tell |
| 13:57.40 | lcuk | a nice app which changes the way you look at your n800 :) |
| 13:57.40 | npt | sounds like I may be happy to hear this |
| 13:57.40 | SpeedEvil | I regret I know little of the n800 - having come to maemo with the n900 |
| 13:57.54 | npt | ahh |
| 13:57.56 | lcuk | its just a small thing but made lots of people smile |
| 13:58.01 | npt | I started with n770 |
| 13:58.08 | npt | sold that and got an n800 |
| 13:58.10 | npt | LOVED IT |
| 13:58.13 | npt | used it a ton |
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| 13:59.07 | npt | but have been sooo busy the last year or so |
| 13:59.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:59.24 | SpeedEvil | I've not regretted at all getting then900. |
| 13:59.26 | npt | so is there any unofficial stuff for it that loads a later O/S? |
| 13:59.33 | npt | I was told |
| 13:59.40 | SpeedEvil | My one major niggle is thatthe cheap bastardss only put one stylus in the box. |
| 13:59.53 | npt | I just missed a 1/2 off sake on the n900 by ONE WEEK on nokiausa.com |
| 13:59.54 | npt | sucks |
| 13:59.58 | npt | : ( |
| 14:00.01 | SpeedEvil | I remember hearing someone mention something, but I wasn't paying attention. |
| 14:00.12 | SpeedEvil | npt: well - ebay has them quite cheap |
| 14:00.16 | tank-man | lcuk, is that a joke? |
| 14:00.18 | tank-man | telescope |
| 14:00.22 | npt | really? |
| 14:00.25 | npt | how cheap |
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| 14:00.42 | lcuk | tank-man, no - everyone I have seen and spoken to about it has raved |
| 14:00.45 | SpeedEvil | well - cheaper than new. |
| 14:00.57 | lcuk | so why would it be a joke |
| 14:00.59 | SpeedEvil | That is 230 quid or so in the UK. |
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| 14:01.12 | lcuk | its a nice app, well written |
| 14:01.30 | lcuk | and shows that you don't need fancy pants powervr 3d ness to actually do the dashboard effect |
| 14:02.50 | tank-man | interesting but i like to keep it simple |
| 14:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | npt: (used a ton) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10004 ;-) |
| 14:05.23 | lcuk | My three year old daughter tried passing the phone to my four year old daugher but dropped it instead. My four year old started crying, picked up the phone and said into it Daddy! Are you OK? IMMD. |
| 14:05.39 | lcuk | http://itmademyday.com/2010/09/02/funny-win-story-momma-mias-little-moment-of-win/ |
| 14:05.49 | sevard | lcuk: idk if i said this yesterday but <3 telescope. h |
| 14:05.54 | sevard | lcuk: how the hell did you find it |
| 14:06.18 | lcuk | sevard, its been built up in the tmo forums, and yes :) I saw you yesterday after I had gone |
| 14:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | npt: I don't think there's a new OS version for N8x0, but recently there actually have been some app updates via SSU, and also I heard something about some community maintained repo |
| 14:06.41 | sevard | lcuk: tmobile? |
| 14:06.42 | sevard | :) |
| 14:07.02 | lcuk | talk.maemo.org |
| 14:07.11 | lcuk | theres a couple of threads |
| 14:07.22 | lcuk | its quite a team effort, telescope is written in x11 directly |
| 14:08.27 | sevard | :D |
| 14:08.41 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50689 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58691 |
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| 14:09.48 | sevard | lcuk: tyvm. |
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| 14:13.04 | lcuk | hmm perhaps that would be a good tagline for tmo |
| 14:13.14 | lcuk | "talk.maemo.org - not just for whinging" |
| 14:13.18 | SpeedEvil | An opened task switcher would be nice. |
| 14:13.30 | lcuk | huh opened? |
| 14:13.35 | lcuk | that is an open task switcher |
| 14:13.40 | SpeedEvil | lcuk - n900 |
| 14:13.49 | lcuk | huh opened? |
| 14:13.57 | lcuk | hildon has it all |
| 14:14.05 | lcuk | or am I missing something? |
| 14:14.09 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that's one of the open bits? |
| 14:14.16 | lcuk | all the desktop itself is open |
| 14:14.17 | SpeedEvil | still gets confused. |
| 14:14.19 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 14:14.23 | lcuk | apps running on it might not be |
| 14:14.46 | lcuk | but the desktop environment itself is totally hackable |
| 14:15.07 | SpeedEvil | I want the task switcher to show the full normal titlebar |
| 14:15.37 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, then have a look and see whats what? |
| 14:15.50 | lcuk | the simpler titlebar is obviously there for a reason |
| 14:15.59 | lcuk | basically because you wouldnt be able to read it otherwise |
| 14:16.03 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: regrettably, I have at teh moment little energy for hacking. |
| 14:16.15 | SpeedEvil | umm - no |
| 14:16.26 | SpeedEvil | I mean a full titlebar on the top of the taskswitcher window |
| 14:16.26 | lcuk | it also would change |
| 14:16.41 | lcuk | ohh you mean showing the clock etc |
| 14:17.10 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, theres been suggestions about other things also |
| 14:17.10 | SpeedEvil | well - app-swich icon - then clock/bat/systray - then a few buttons to start apps/bookmarks |
| 14:17.15 | lcuk | like close all windows for instance |
| 14:17.20 | lcuk | yeah |
| 14:17.25 | MohammadAG | achipa, ping |
| 14:17.26 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that sort of stuff |
| 14:17.27 | lcuk | understood now |
| 14:17.37 | SpeedEvil | So 2g/3g switcher or stuff can live there |
| 14:17.55 | lcuk | theres certainly scope to discuss it and to see if someone will get behind you and try to prototype it |
| 14:17.57 | SpeedEvil | and with camkeyd - be accessed in 2 clicks |
| 14:18.10 | lcuk | understood |
| 14:18.18 | SpeedEvil | looks behind him, in a pantomime-esque manner. |
| 14:18.21 | lcuk | i have my own ideas what should be in the task switcher |
| 14:18.38 | SpeedEvil | Does it include a background of animated cooking bacon? |
| 14:18.51 | lcuk | nahh, simpler |
| 14:19.04 | lcuk | but theres interactions the task switcher and app launcher menu should do |
| 14:19.17 | lcuk | like showing live tasks at the head of the app launcher menu |
| 14:19.24 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 14:19.25 | lcuk | and showing desktops in the task switcher |
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| 14:19.48 | lcuk | merging app launcher and dashboard effectively |
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| 14:20.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, gas balls seems to be the same as live-wp |
| 14:20.44 | MohammadAG | but the wallpaper sticks instead of moving |
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| 14:21.14 | lcuk | MohammadAG, livewp 0.9 |
| 14:21.15 | MohammadAG | liqflow in live-wp detects mouse events in the same way |
| 14:21.22 | lcuk | has a single wallpaper spanning all |
| 14:21.27 | lcuk | and retains its position |
| 14:22.08 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated manner. |
| 14:22.20 | SpeedEvil | Can I stop FMradio switching orientation |
| 14:22.24 | MohammadAG | so it's no different from gas balls |
| 14:23.03 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's just python iirc |
| 14:23.12 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: so it's probably matter of commenting out one line |
| 14:23.43 | lcuk | MohammadAG, gas balls is a great standalone implementation and I think it will become configurable using the livewp settings dialog soon too (if it works in the same way) |
| 14:24.10 | lcuk | those that haven't seen, gas balls is an amazing opengl live wallpaper that is available on ovi store |
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| 14:25.21 | sevard | lcuk: n900? ;) |
| 14:26.02 | lcuk | yes sevard |
| 14:26.06 | sevard | heh |
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| 14:26.26 | lcuk | but since you have gone, there is now some sort of prototype drivers for powervr on the n8x0 |
| 14:26.34 | lcuk | and people have been hacking at them |
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| 14:34.33 | sevard | ooooooooorly |
| 14:34.39 | sevard | any progress? |
| 14:34.39 | sevard | :D |
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| 14:40.14 | Noobmonk3y | woooooop |
| 14:40.35 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 14:40.48 | lcuk | omg |
| 14:40.48 | MohammadAG | FFS FINALLY |
| 14:40.56 | lcuk | dashes to the pantry |
| 14:40.57 | MohammadAG | first of all |
| 14:40.59 | Noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 14:41.01 | lcuk | finds its empty |
| 14:41.02 | MohammadAG | checks logs |
| 14:41.06 | lcuk | gets a trout out of the freezer |
| 14:41.14 | sevard | whoa whoa whoa |
| 14:41.17 | lcuk | WHAPS Noobmonk3y round the head |
| 14:41.26 | Noobmonk3y | wooooooots |
| 14:41.31 | lcuk | hey dude |
| 14:41.39 | Noobmonk3y | havnt had a good trout slapping in a while! |
| 14:41.47 | MohammadAG | kicks Noobmonk3y in the face |
| 14:41.49 | lcuk | sorry it was a frozen one |
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| 14:41.52 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 14:41.55 | lcuk | the blackeye will heal eventually |
| 14:42.09 | Noobmonk3y | not sure which i prefer, the frozen trout or the kick |
| 14:42.22 | Noobmonk3y | tough choice! |
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| 14:42.26 | lcuk | kicks you with a frozen trout |
| 14:42.26 | MohammadAG | kicks Noobmonk3y again |
| 14:42.28 | lcuk | better? |
| 14:42.35 | Noobmonk3y | how is the land of #maemo?! |
| 14:42.41 | MohammadAG | kicks Noobmonk3y again, LIKE IT |
| 14:42.50 | MohammadAG | dry |
| 14:42.57 | Noobmonk3y | alot better! alothough u need to get your leg looked at lcuk! |
| 14:42.58 | MohammadAG | with a bit of moisture :P |
| 14:43.02 | Noobmonk3y | lol mo |
| 14:43.08 | MohammadAG | or snowing at 30C |
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| 14:43.12 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, nahh the leg is fine |
| 14:43.16 | lcuk | my ear is a bit busted tho |
| 14:43.16 | MohammadAG | anyways |
| 14:43.18 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 14:43.23 | Noobmonk3y | busted ear? |
| 14:43.31 | lcuk | burst ear drum |
| 14:43.46 | Noobmonk3y | ouch!!!! |
| 14:43.59 | lcuk | pardon? |
| 14:44.09 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 14:45.15 | Noobmonk3y | i still havnt got round to reconfiguring my lappy to get healthcheck going again! |
| 14:45.26 | lcuk | then its not healthy |
| 14:45.37 | MohammadAG | apt-get source healthcheck |
| 14:45.42 | MohammadAG | and you're done |
| 14:45.52 | Noobmonk3y | hehehe on my n900 at the mo! |
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| 14:49.07 | pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/andreatrasatti/4953583301/ a box of N8s |
| 14:50.12 | psycho_oreos | a box of rubbish |
| 14:50.45 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 14:50.50 | Noobmonk3y | trying to recommend a phone for my gfs dad, really no replacements for the old nokia communicators yet.... |
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| 14:52.49 | psycho_oreos | n900 is somewhat on par with old communicator for some parts, otherwise there's n9 which seems to be alot better judging by the leaked pics |
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| 14:53.28 | Noobmonk3y | yeah, the n9 i assume is a little less geeky then the n900? might suit him a bit more |
| 14:54.00 | Noobmonk3y | he uses it as an office phone really, but wants skype etc, bit scared to recommend the N900 |
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| 14:54.15 | psycho_oreos | the only thing is that n9 hasn't been released so one shouldn't put too much eggs on the basket or expect that basket to rip open and drop all the eggs out |
| 14:55.13 | Noobmonk3y | well, there iisnt anything else, so waiting is good! hehehe |
| 14:55.21 | TiagoTiago | i had managed to not have space issues but then i had to reflash and now i don't remember what i did and i don't have enough free space in /home anymore :( |
| 14:55.37 | psycho_oreos | I think there has been many updates since the old 9xxx communicators, many variants.. then there's that n97 which looks a little similar to communicator minus the ugly face |
| 14:56.09 | psycho_oreos | waiting is probably good just don't wait and expect too much or you'll be in for a surprise |
| 14:56.13 | Noobmonk3y | but just not great! |
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| 14:56.27 | Noobmonk3y | the c6 is also ok, but need something with more beef |
| 14:56.47 | TiagoTiago | any suggestions? |
| 14:56.48 | psycho_oreos | I don't think any of the nokia's products has been great, they almost always have their own set of issues |
| 14:57.01 | Noobmonk3y | well, my n900 is up for renewal next april! hope there is something gd out!! |
| 14:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: this box of N8 looks like somene collected rubbish in there |
| 14:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | someone* |
| 14:58.02 | pupnik | lol |
| 14:58.21 | pupnik | i can't decide my favorite color. maybe the cyan/blue |
| 14:58.22 | psycho_oreos | apparently there's iphail in there as well |
| 14:58.28 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 14:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, psycho_oreos had similar idea :-D |
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| 14:59.21 | johnsq | Hi |
| 14:59.24 | psycho_oreos | my n900 hasn't been too bad but I haven't served the 6 month `grace novelty period' |
| 14:59.55 | Noobmonk3y | lol! mine will be a year old in november, and is still doing me proud |
| 15:00.14 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, meh, n8, the last of the shitian OS to bear nokia's n series.. and it'll be rid of |
| 15:00.56 | lcuk | good to see people are as enthusiastic as ever |
| 15:01.08 | pupnik | i prefer having the full computer experience of n900, but n8 is a nice device with a great camera and screen |
| 15:01.42 | Noobmonk3y | i need a keypad, touch only doesn't work for me. |
| 15:02.20 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, the X3-2 is actually awesome for that |
| 15:02.23 | lcuk | touch and type :) |
| 15:02.29 | lcuk | simple logical phone |
| 15:02.35 | lcuk | with best of both |
| 15:02.38 | psycho_oreos | pfft |
| 15:02.39 | pupnik | how about taking the key pitch of the e71 and putting a full keyboard on the n900 |
| 15:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: I seem to remember you did a `du | sort -n | less` and then moved and symlinked stuff |
| 15:03.05 | Noobmonk3y | x3-2?!! |
| 15:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: ...as you couldn't get rid of some greedy apps or games |
| 15:03.25 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, can it do all the office, skype, stuff etc? |
| 15:03.37 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, its a phone not a computer |
| 15:03.48 | Noobmonk3y | my e71 is crap and i hate it |
| 15:03.51 | Noobmonk3y | oh! |
| 15:04.26 | Noobmonk3y | i only use it as a phone and it just cant do that right..... tis pooo.... |
| 15:04.53 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, btw I forgot to mention yesterday before I went to sleep, you are going to have to reinstall the rest of the python libs. Basically, your python installation is still b0rked |
| 15:04.54 | psycho_oreos | my n95-1 is crap but for now I won't have to put up with its own epic woes, the last I'll ever see shitian giving me headaches |
| 15:05.30 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, and really the only sane answer, IMHO, for your problem is to repartition and reflash |
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| 15:06.24 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 15:06.39 | SpeedEvil | Has there been any substantiated rumors of meego on n8/n9? |
| 15:07.02 | psycho_oreos | n8 is going to be shitian only lol |
| 15:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | sed -i -e 's/2048/4096/' path/to/*VANILLA*.bin |
| 15:07.25 | psycho_oreos | think its pretty much released, n8 |
| 15:07.35 | Noobmonk3y | speed, wouldnt have thought so |
| 15:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | flash patched vanilla, profit |
| 15:07.54 | Noobmonk3y | but i'm sure somone will do it |
| 15:08.19 | Noobmonk3y | but i am well out of the loop |
| 15:08.36 | psycho_oreos | meego on n8 would be epic, couldn't imagine how well it would run anyway |
| 15:08.43 | lcuk | uses Noobmonk3y as a fanbelt to put him back in the loop |
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| 15:08.52 | Noobmonk3y | sweeeeet |
| 15:08.55 | TiagoTiago | is there a tutorial somewhere on repartioning for complete newbies? |
| 15:08.55 | SwedeMike | my impression has been that N8 is symbian and N9 is meego, but... |
| 15:09.02 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, no |
| 15:09.10 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, what DocScrutinizer said was @ you |
| 15:09.12 | lcuk | complete newbies dont even know what repartitioning is |
| 15:09.22 | GAN900 | SwedeMike, yes. |
| 15:09.32 | Noobmonk3y | TiagoTiago, try ripping lcuks brain apart, might be something uselful in there |
| 15:09.33 | lcuk | thats like spotwelding your car to make it 4wd |
| 15:09.56 | psycho_oreos | n8 is still symbian, I dunno who's been saying n8 is meego, alas n8 lacks keyboard features plus who knows if the phonet and what not will still remain proprietary or not under meego |
| 15:10.06 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, i umm need my brain in one pieces atm :$ |
| 15:10.07 | TiagoTiago | what is patched vanilla? |
| 15:10.23 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, of course, you don't really have sed..... :/ |
| 15:10.30 | Noobmonk3y | TiagoTiago, icecream with a plaster |
| 15:10.36 | MNZ | hahaha |
| 15:10.42 | lcuk | its neopolitan icecream |
| 15:10.49 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:10.56 | psycho_oreos | that's disgusting, and poisonous |
| 15:10.56 | TiagoTiago | am i too sleepy right now or are you guys fucking with me? |
| 15:11.10 | psycho_oreos | vanilla means stock |
| 15:11.27 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, well, the VANILLA image, after you run that 'sed -i ...' command would now be considered 'patched' vanilla |
| 15:11.28 | SpeedEvil | swipe could be in principle interesting for keyb |
| 15:11.37 | SpeedEvil | zwipe |
| 15:11.40 | SpeedEvil | I forget the silly name |
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| 15:11.52 | psycho_oreos | vanilla kernel means plain kernel.. aka kernel.org provides vanilla kernel because they have not been molested to run for any specific distribution |
| 15:11.56 | TiagoTiago | i think i missed that part, what is the sed thing? |
| 15:12.21 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, like I said, you don't have it... it's a nice little utility on linux |
| 15:12.33 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, based on prior experience with your hacking attempts, i suggest you go and quietly readup perhaps |
| 15:12.41 | lcuk | before attempting such a thing |
| 15:12.47 | lcuk | its not for the faint hearted |
| 15:12.54 | lcuk | and its not simple |
| 15:13.31 | SwedeMike | sed is a very classic unix utility, history back to 70ties or 80ties. |
| 15:13.31 | SwedeMike | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed#History |
| 15:13.38 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 15:13.41 | TiagoTiago | i think i'll come back here about this topic some other time, i' having severe signals i should be sleeping right now :( |
| 15:13.48 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, also, that VANILLA image is actually the eMMC image. In other words, repartitioning requires complete reflashing of everything |
| 15:14.26 | psycho_oreos | vanilla image used by nokia just means factory defaults :p |
| 15:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 15:15.01 | TiagoTiago | sorry, i don't think i' in conditions to keep up with you guys right now, need sleep ASAP, sorry, cya |
| 15:15.13 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, night |
| 15:15.20 | Noobmonk3y | night! |
| 15:15.22 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, :) i did some merging last night and have patched up a potential update for libliqbase :) |
| 15:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: bookmark that link, we won't resend it for you |
| 15:15.30 | Noobmonk3y | oooo yay!!!! |
| 15:16.01 | Noobmonk3y | is qtmultimedia working on the n900 yet? if so i might come out or pyretirement |
| 15:16.07 | MNZ | SwedeMike, of course you don't say 'unix utility' to a noob because that's just asking for more questions :D |
| 15:16.18 | lcuk | hm unsure of status |
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| 15:17.11 | Noobmonk3y | kinda stopped hc until it works, as it had some great tools! |
| 15:17.12 | TiagoTiago | bookmarked, cya |
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| 15:20.22 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, people have been using it for diagnostics for a while |
| 15:20.25 | lcuk | its a great tool |
| 15:20.31 | lcuk | someone had broken their lcd |
| 15:20.45 | lcuk | and used it to confirm the touch was still working i believe (using tvout) |
| 15:21.07 | Noobmonk3y | hehe, yeah had a few emails, and saw the threads, good to see it does the basics well :) |
| 15:21.31 | lcuk | indeed |
| 15:21.39 | Noobmonk3y | v2 needs alot of improvements though :) |
| 15:23.48 | Noobmonk3y | working on a website at the mo too :) gonna take me a few months :) |
| 15:24.20 | lcuk | yeah |
| 15:24.21 | Noobmonk3y | and designing livecycle forms at work, so my head feels very geeked out at the mo! |
| 15:24.27 | lcuk | how is your photog life going? |
| 15:25.12 | Noobmonk3y | doing alot of macro and studio stuff at the mo, but off to greece in 2 weeks! cant wait, both taking our cameras |
| 15:25.30 | lcuk | great |
| 15:25.41 | lcuk | its always good to have multiple perspectives on an event |
| 15:25.44 | Noobmonk3y | work have a photo comp open, "fighting stigma" in mental health, so doing a mini world hdr photo :) |
| 15:26.18 | lcuk | do you have a mini boxing ring set up ? |
| 15:26.28 | Noobmonk3y | so far its made out of 12 shots stiched and twisted with people holding hands round a mini world, looks cool! |
| 15:26.39 | Noobmonk3y | have you seem mini world/planets? |
| 15:26.45 | Noobmonk3y | seen* |
| 15:27.00 | lcuk | nop? |
| 15:27.03 | Noobmonk3y | do a quick google image search, should make sense lol! |
| 15:27.21 | lcuk | i am on vnc it wouldnt help, everything goes slow |
| 15:28.52 | Noobmonk3y | lol will send u a link |
| 15:29.17 | Noobmonk3y | http://www.tripleman.com/images/20080417102120_ceperley%20meadow%20mini%20planet.jpg |
| 15:29.25 | Noobmonk3y | something like that |
| 15:29.28 | Noobmonk3y | but in hdr |
| 15:30.42 | lcuk | ohhh Noobmonk3y i have seen things like that before |
| 15:30.45 | lcuk | uber cool stuff |
| 15:30.51 | lcuk | (even tho its in 256color for me lol) |
| 15:31.35 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha well u get the jist of what i am doing lol |
| 15:32.21 | lcuk | indeed |
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| 15:33.41 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, do how do you take the panorama required |
| 15:33.48 | lcuk | have you got an uber fisheye lens? |
| 15:34.01 | lcuk | or do you just walk in a circle, the stitch |
| 15:34.04 | lcuk | then * |
| 15:34.26 | Noobmonk3y | haha no i use a normal lens and stitch 3-5 shots together, but it can be done with 1 normal photo too |
| 15:34.29 | lcuk | notices you said stitch |
| 15:34.45 | Noobmonk3y | does need to be a full circle... |
| 15:35.01 | Noobmonk3y | photoshop helps :) |
| 15:35.25 | lcuk | maemoers, am i right in thinking fcam does stitching for panaramas |
| 15:35.28 | lcuk | or am i misremembering |
| 15:35.30 | Noobmonk3y | but with the hdr each photo is made up of 5 other photos so, 25 in total! |
| 15:35.37 | lcuk | yeah |
| 15:35.48 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk! the n900 does great pano shots :) |
| 15:37.39 | MohammadAG | <Noobmonk3y> http://www.tripleman.com/images/20080417102120_ceperley%20meadow%20mini%20planet.jpg |
| 15:37.50 | MohammadAG | since when is the world round? :p |
| 15:37.54 | Noobmonk3y | hahahaha |
| 15:38.08 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you have to understand |
| 15:38.12 | lcuk | these images are impressionist |
| 15:38.12 | Noobmonk3y | its not, i fake it to make people beleive, obviously |
| 15:38.14 | |R | 6000 years? :P |
| 15:38.30 | lcuk | and are designed to make you try and imagine a non flat world |
| 15:38.48 | lcuk | obvious balony, but some insane folks think like that |
| 15:38.55 | Noobmonk3y | would be cool if the world was a triangle |
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| 15:39.11 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 15:39.26 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, hopefully in the next version |
| 15:39.30 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 15:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | yikes, that world makes me dizzy |
| 15:39.44 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha world v2, hackedc or unhacked?! |
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| 15:40.07 | lcuk | i saw a video recently of someone underwater bubble fort, and for the first time in ages i got motion sickness watching it |
| 15:40.15 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 15:40.17 | lcuk | they dived down and went upside down and stuff to enter |
| 15:40.26 | lcuk | finds it to help make you lot feel just as odd |
| 15:40.37 | lcuk | infact, MohammadAG you could :P |
| 15:40.44 | lcuk | youtube bubble fort or something |
| 15:41.07 | lcuk | its in a lake |
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| 15:42.06 | Noobmonk3y | right back laters, gotta head home n cook a roast |
| 15:42.09 | Noobmonk3y | ciaooooooo |
| 15:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what a cooked roast might taste like... probably crunchy |
| 15:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | nvm |
| 15:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | mixed roast, rust, and grill |
| 15:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | false friends |
| 15:45.08 | lcuk | wonders what DocScrutinizer is drinking |
| 15:45.15 | lcuk | orders one |
| 15:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | coffee, what else? |
| 15:45.32 | lcuk | reasonable enough |
| 15:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | rost(ger) == rust, grill(en) |
| 15:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | now all this gave me appetite for a roast es well :-D |
| 15:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | as* |
| 15:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | or, for lcuk: BACON!! |
| 15:50.13 | lcuk | seems reasonable enough |
| 15:50.19 | lcuk | munches on roast bacon |
| 15:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you noticed my dbus-scripting madness I encountered on N900 (800 processes bringing device to a mad state)? |
| 15:51.54 | lcuk | no i have been juggling a new libliqbase update mostly today |
| 15:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I wonder how to tackle that |
| 15:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | umm, was like 2 days ago |
| 15:52.30 | lcuk | i mightv noticed it then, but have slepts since |
| 15:53.13 | lcuk | isnt 800 processes overkill? |
| 15:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | it actually was |
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| 15:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | pkg dbus-scripting, set up to kick off a silly simple script when button event flies by, grew up to a monster with >800 identical dbus-script processes, largely rendering the device unusable. even ssh in failed, as no more free slot in process table :-/ |
| 15:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | basically a forkbomb |
| 15:57.03 | kerio | BACON! |
| 15:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | a decent sysop learns how to deal with such threats before he may touch any productive engine. But on N900 me is a bit of lost on how to deal with it |
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| 15:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | I somehow managed to kill it down with concurrent multiple killalls and init.d/dbus-scripting stop calls |
| 15:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | as luckily I had an open xterm |
| 15:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | (never thought I'd ever say that, but thanks to busybox (yuk) the killall call didn't spawn a new process |
| 15:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
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| 16:00.31 | lcuk | hmm DocScrutinizer not sure its a problem |
| 16:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | errr, no? |
| 16:01.00 | lcuk | i could get a gun and shoot myself in the foot and no technological matters can stop me |
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| 16:01.32 | kerio | lcuk: autoaiming gun |
| 16:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry? |
| 16:01.45 | lcuk | kerio, ricochet |
| 16:01.56 | kerio | autoaiming walls |
| 16:01.57 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what i mean is, is this not a problem with your script? |
| 16:02.02 | lcuk | since it doesnt do it by default |
| 16:02.03 | lcuk | ? |
| 16:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, the script worked for quite some weeks |
| 16:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | also the script is friggin simple, and should terminate no matter what |
| 16:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | plus it should get called only on rather rare events on dbus |
| 16:03.48 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if its a system memory leak and you have a script which reproduces it then great, follow up on it and stuff? |
| 16:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | namely button-press events |
| 16:04.11 | lcuk | nb: great in this context means theres a simple way for devs to reproduce and extinguish |
| 16:04.15 | lcuk | heh |
| 16:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's some madness in dbus-scripting package/daemon, or in dbus itself |
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| 16:05.59 | BluesLee | hi |
| 16:06.42 | BluesLee | is anybody out there who does live streaming to the n900? |
| 16:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: |
| 16:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh |
| 16:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | #!/bin/sh |
| 16:07.02 | DocScrutinizer | stored=/home/user/.slidestore |
| 16:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | slide=$(cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state) |
| 16:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | if [ X$slide == X$(cat $stored) ]; then exit 0; fi; |
| 16:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | if [ $slide == open ]; then /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav; fi; |
| 16:07.29 | BluesLee | i can use mediatomb on my linuxbox to access the media data within n900s mediaplayer, no problem |
| 16:08.14 | BluesLee | but i want redirect an arbitrary "live stream" to the n900 |
| 16:08.24 | BluesLee | any ideas? |
| 16:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 16:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | + |
| 16:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | echo -n $slide >$stored |
| 16:09.15 | lcuk | BluesLee, theres a ustream.tv session i connect to quite regularly |
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| 16:09.34 | secyritas | BluesLee: i streamed live tv to my n900 few weeks ago |
| 16:09.37 | secyritas | worked very nice (: |
| 16:09.55 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, file a bug, is that the testcase you reproduced it on? |
| 16:10.21 | kerio | if we had host mode working we could use all sorts of tv tuners |
| 16:10.22 | BluesLee | secyritas: honstely, i want to stream live tv from the internet to my tv, which tools you used? |
| 16:10.22 | kerio | :< |
| 16:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | yup, that's the script that's called. Then of course here's a config file for dbus-scripting |
| 16:10.44 | secyritas | BluesLee: that was nearly a test, i used a VLC |
| 16:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | #:soundonslide |
| 16:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover |
| 16:11.04 | BluesLee | lcuk: thats fine, how do you configure it? |
| 16:11.13 | BluesLee | secyritas: thats fine, how do you configure it? |
| 16:11.16 | lcuk | BluesLee, IDK i just visited the website |
| 16:11.21 | lcuk | its a flash plugin :$ |
| 16:11.30 | lcuk | and worked with the stream i needed |
| 16:11.33 | lcuk | so never looked deeper |
| 16:11.36 | secyritas | BluesLee: omm.. cant remember and machine that has that config is over 500 kilometers away :-( |
| 16:11.38 | BluesLee | lcuk: okay, you go the direct way |
| 16:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: can't see how that would create 800+ processes in no time |
| 16:12.02 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, me neither, so report it officially |
| 16:12.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: if shit started creating events |
| 16:12.12 | lcuk | i am going anyway i have spent too much time faffing this afternoon |
| 16:12.22 | lcuk | retires for the evening to #liqbase |
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| 16:12.28 | secyritas | i remember that 384kbit data plan was not suffient to receive stream and n900 rejected some codecs so i put that idea behind.. |
| 16:13.40 | kerio | MNZ: how's that audio routing of yours going? |
| 16:14.38 | MNZ | kerio, discovered that we can't get much from it really. Only thing that would benefit from skipping the cpu would be FM Receiver -> Output |
| 16:14.43 | jpinxN900 | what's the difference between easy-debian and debian-chroot ? |
| 16:14.43 | kerio | :( |
| 16:15.11 | kerio | MNZ: what about dsp->a2dp? |
| 16:15.38 | MNZ | kerio, of course I'm still working on the hardware eq + replacing pulseaudio's speaker protection |
| 16:15.48 | MNZ | kerio, I haven't checked that, let me see |
| 16:16.35 | kerio | i mean, i have a pair of bluetooth headphones with their own volume control |
| 16:17.09 | kerio | so i wouldn't need anything but decoding (from mp3/aac), encoding (to a2dp) and transmitting |
| 16:19.58 | MNZ | kerio, ok there's nothing to override there. Decoding mp3/aac happens on the CPU and it just sends it to the codec |
| 16:20.05 | kerio | huh? |
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| 16:20.19 | kerio | decoding mp3/aac is hw-accelerated, isn't it |
| 16:20.31 | kerio | the only thing i see using my cpu is fucking pulseaudio |
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| 16:20.44 | MNZ | kerio, uh no you got the thing a bit wrong |
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| 16:21.09 | MNZ | PulseAudio is actually passing on stuff to the gst libraries, which decode mp3/ogg/whatever |
| 16:21.14 | MNZ | hold on |
| 16:21.16 | MNZ | no |
| 16:21.29 | MNZ | I mean the gst libraries, called from whatever prog, pass on stuff to PA |
| 16:21.55 | MNZ | so that's mafw (gst fits here somehow, I'm not familiar with mafw) -> pulseaudio -> alsa |
| 16:22.12 | MNZ | what happens in pulseaudio and why it uses 15% cpu is still a mystery |
| 16:22.23 | MNZ | mostly because all the relevant modules are closed source |
| 16:22.30 | kerio | stupid pulseaudio :( |
| 16:22.37 | MNZ | of course on speaker output it uses about 30% |
| 16:22.56 | kerio | i'm using bluetooth audio, mind you |
| 16:22.58 | MNZ | 15% of those are filtering, which is the only part we really actually think we know it does |
| 16:23.01 | kerio | so there's an additional encoding |
| 16:23.45 | MNZ | well the audio codec actually just handles DAC/ADC and deals with PCM exclusively. It doesn't decode/encode audio formats |
| 16:24.03 | kerio | oh |
| 16:24.05 | kerio | no, wait |
| 16:24.25 | kerio | then mediaplayer/gst/whatever should be using cpu |
| 16:24.27 | kerio | not pulseaudio |
| 16:24.31 | MNZ | it does |
| 16:24.37 | MNZ | on top of PA usage |
| 16:24.47 | MNZ | you have mafw-gst-renderer usage |
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| 16:24.54 | kerio | PA uses more cpu than mafw-gst-renderer |
| 16:24.55 | kerio | :| |
| 16:24.58 | MNZ | I know |
| 16:25.02 | MNZ | and I can't figure out why |
| 16:25.05 | kerio | Nokia: wtf man |
| 16:25.46 | MNZ | so basically mafw-gst-renderer is decoding mp3 and using less cpu than pulseaudio, which for the most part just has to move memory from one place to another (ie. route audio) |
| 16:26.04 | MNZ | I think that's why they are not open sourcing the modules |
| 16:26.08 | MNZ | they are embarrassed |
| 16:27.34 | kerio | what happens if you remove the modules? |
| 16:27.45 | MNZ | nothing works |
| 16:27.57 | kerio | what |
| 16:28.09 | kerio | pulseaudio on... say, ubuntu, works without nokia modules |
| 16:28.33 | MNZ | yeah, but on n900, it doesn't. The stuff that handles calls expect these mods to be there |
| 16:28.34 | SpeedEvil | There are custom modules to talk to teh phone bit |
| 16:28.44 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 16:28.57 | SpeedEvil | Nokia is required to have the pulseaudio source of those modules supplied |
| 16:29.00 | SpeedEvil | GPL requirements. |
| 16:29.06 | MNZ | SpeedEvil, I checked |
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| 16:29.08 | MNZ | LGPL |
| 16:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: PA does highpass filtering, possibly resampling with interpolation and antialiasing, and probably also some dynamic compression |
| 16:29.18 | MNZ | PA devs are so stupid they even got their license wrong |
| 16:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | on some 48k 16bit samples * 2 chan stereo, per second |
| 16:30.08 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, do you mean for speaker out? what about headphones? |
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| 16:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | for headphones the dynamic and hp processing may be moot |
| 16:30.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i'm using a2dp! |
| 16:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | still there's resampling, possibly useless mixing and attenuating, aso |
| 16:31.19 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, but IIRC gst handles resampling..... |
| 16:31.29 | kerio | pulseaudio has to move bits around |
| 16:31.37 | kerio | that's something you can do in 20 bytes of asm |
| 16:31.40 | MNZ | and seriously, attenuation wouldn't use that much CPU |
| 16:31.43 | kerio | (exaggerating, but you see my point) |
| 16:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: mixing two sources alone is a friggin lot more than just moving around bits |
| 16:32.21 | kerio | what mix :| |
| 16:33.01 | kerio | with only one source, and using bt a2dp headphones (that means no d2a, for instance), pulseaudio takes more cpu than mafw |
| 16:33.02 | MNZ | kerio, for more than one program playing audio |
| 16:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | the mixer that allows ringtones to appear in your music, for example |
| 16:34.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: meh, that still makes the headphones switch from a2dp to hfp |
| 16:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | PA decided the pretty nice ALSA dmix plugn isn't good enough for them, and does its own mixing :-/ |
| 16:34.20 | kerio | and stops the music, here |
| 16:34.42 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, still, one would argue mixing wouldn't use cpu as much as mp3 decoding :/ I'm only guessing though, no hard numbers |
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| 16:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's known PA is a greedy crap |
| 16:36.14 | MNZ | meh someone should pressure nokia to release sources |
| 16:36.34 | kerio | someone should break in the nokia hq and release everythin |
| 16:36.37 | kerio | g |
| 16:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | and depending on how carelessly ported to arm arch, might happily blast away doing fp ops simulated in sw, like it were running on a i7 |
| 16:37.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: eeeeeeeeeew >Xp |
| 16:37.41 | MNZ | would someone volunteer to profile pulseaudio? pretty please? |
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| 16:41.18 | jpinx-eeepc | where do these guys hang out? -->http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_on_Debian |
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| 16:41.34 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: what guys? |
| 16:42.10 | jpinx-eeepc | working on maemoon_debian |
| 16:42.15 | SpeedEvil | Check trhe history of the page |
| 16:42.20 | SpeedEvil | Find what nicks edited it. |
| 16:42.23 | SpeedEvil | Google them |
| 16:43.36 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: if you are referring to Easy Debian, then quole is he one |
| 16:44.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: no - I am referring to -->http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_on_Debian |
| 16:44.52 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: ah... okay |
| 16:45.09 | jpinx-eeepc | but nevermind - I'm still trying to get ssh over usb to work:/ |
| 16:45.37 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: hm, it should be effortless |
| 16:45.50 | Venemo_N900 | all you need is USB networking |
| 16:46.03 | Venemo_N900 | Mad Developer gives you that |
| 16:46.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: not according to http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 16:46.32 | jpinx-eeepc | who/what is Mad Developer ? |
| 16:47.01 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: it is a package you can install from the app manager |
| 16:47.31 | jpinx-eeepc | searches the wiki |
| 16:47.54 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: search the appmanager instead |
| 16:48.12 | jpinx-eeepc | There is no page titled "mad developer". :/ |
| 16:48.28 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: it is a component for MADDE... but it lets you do usb networking with 2 clicks |
| 16:48.33 | jpinx-eeepc | the wiki seems to be relatively little use :/ |
| 16:49.00 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: the wiki is great, but it doesn't have everything |
| 16:49.09 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - I have to disconnect and reconnec the n900 to use the app mngr |
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| 16:50.36 | jpinx-eeepc | looks for a simple download first |
| 16:51.10 | Venemo_N900 | Get it from maemo.org/packages |
| 16:51.32 | jpinx-eeepc | sheesh - it'salmost 400Mbs - this could take until tomorrow ;) |
| 16:53.07 | Venemo_N900 | nOOO |
| 16:53.16 | Venemo_N900 | you misunderstand again |
| 16:53.24 | Venemo_N900 | wait a minute |
| 16:54.06 | MNZ | Anyone know what profiling tools for linux on arm? Only oprofile seems available and valgrind has just been recently ported (May 2010) |
| 16:56.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: not sure what you mean - I searched and found http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE and now I am downloading the app |
| 16:56.33 | Venemo_N900 | Well |
| 16:56.38 | Venemo_N900 | you shouldn't |
| 16:56.58 | jpinx-eeepc | stops |
| 16:57.25 | Venemo_N900 | Mad developer is not in MADDE, it is installable for the device from the repo |
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| 16:57.40 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: I digged it out for you |
| 16:57.44 | jpinx-eeepc | what section of the repo? system? |
| 16:58.08 | jpinx-eeepc | is it in extras? |
| 16:58.17 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: extras repo, development category |
| 16:58.18 | Venemo_N900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mad-developer/ |
| 16:58.22 | Venemo_N900 | here it is |
| 16:58.38 | Venemo_N900 | choose the one from Extras, not the -devel one |
| 16:59.27 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks :) -- I'll swap the connection over and see what I can find ;) |
| 16:59.46 | Venemo_N900 | k |
| 17:00.11 | Venemo_N900 | just select the "usb_ether" driver, then you can configure the connection |
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| 17:05.32 | jpinxN900 | Venemo_N900: ok it's getting that |
| 17:05.53 | Venemo_N900 | Okay |
| 17:06.27 | Venemo_N900 | jpinxN900: you need to configure the connection on your PC, too |
| 17:06.30 | jpinxN900 | join syncd in 96seconds :/ |
| 17:07.17 | jpinxN900 | not sure why the wifi is so mujch slower on the N900 |
| 17:07.27 | SpeedEvil | Powersaving screwups |
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| 17:07.36 | SpeedEvil | what does ping www.google.com do |
| 17:07.52 | jpinxN900 | me? |
| 17:07.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:08.02 | jpinxN900 | moment |
| 17:08.12 | SpeedEvil | 12 packets transmitted, 12 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 17:08.13 | SpeedEvil | round-trip min/avg/max = 54.046/120.389/243.408 ms |
| 17:08.20 | SpeedEvil | This is with powersaving on, and behaving well |
| 17:08.44 | SpeedEvil | With powersaving off, it's 50-60ms |
| 17:09.17 | jpinxN900 | SpeedEvil: 148 |
| 17:09.32 | SpeedEvil | Any packet loss? |
| 17:09.39 | SpeedEvil | And is it varying much? |
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| 17:10.38 | jpinxN900 | not really |
| 17:11.03 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible you're going through some sort of firewall? |
| 17:11.05 | jpinxN900 | youhave to be root toping? how sad isthat? |
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| 17:11.40 | jpinxN900 | SpeedEvil: same connection as my eeepc |
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| 17:12.09 | Venemo_N900 | jpinxN900: interesting. |
| 17:12.18 | jpinxN900 | I'll look at it' ping when I swapback |
| 17:12.46 | jpinxN900 | but it is certainly much slower through here |
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| 17:16.25 | MNZ | What version of arm do we use on the n900? |
| 17:17.38 | SpeedEvil | TI OMAP 3530 |
| 17:18.12 | Venemo_N900 | MNZ: ARMv7l |
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| 17:20.43 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, 4 |
| 17:21.23 | SpeedEvil | err - yes |
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| 17:28.25 | jpinxN900 | someone needs to edit the wiki to change udevadm control --reload-rules to udevadm control --reload_rules |
| 17:28.47 | jpinxN900 | I tried but it doesn't ike me |
| 17:29.38 | Venemo_N900 | How so? |
| 17:30.22 | Venemo_N900 | jpinxN900: just click the edit button on the right |
| 17:30.53 | jpinxN900 | dunno just refuses to accept after I do the maths test |
| 17:31.16 | jpinxN900 | and yes-- I can add :) |
| 17:31.24 | Venemo_N900 | Hm. Did you login? |
| 17:31.56 | jpinxN900 | nope - I don't have an account |
| 17:32.29 | jpinxN900 | and I was told to not bother |
| 17:33.41 | jpinxN900 | ok this mad thing has installed and I have config'd the host while I was waiting |
| 17:33.45 | Venemo_N900 | Hm, why not? |
| 17:34.26 | jpinxN900 | so whatto do next? The usb cable has been pluggedin all the time |
| 17:35.10 | Venemo_N900 | jpinxN900: select usb networking in mad dev |
| 17:35.15 | Venemo_N900 | then configure it |
| 17:35.17 | jpinxN900 | staysout of irc/wiki politics :) |
| 17:35.45 | Venemo_N900 | from then on, "pc suite mode" will connect with usb networking |
| 17:35.48 | jpinxN900 | where do I find mad dev |
| 17:36.16 | Venemo_N900 | In your application menu |
| 17:36.32 | Venemo_N900 | I thought I gave you a link to the package |
| 17:37.12 | kerio | i lost my only usb µsd reader :( |
| 17:37.20 | kerio | did you guys see it somewhere? |
| 17:38.04 | jpinxN900 | ok unplugged and replugged |
| 17:39.14 | jpinxN900 | but mad dcevelonlyoffers mass storage |
| 17:40.15 | Venemo_N900 | Only mass storage? lol! |
| 17:41.04 | jpinxN900 | I chose PC Suite when plugging in |
| 17:41.17 | Venemo_N900 | Then? |
| 17:41.44 | Venemo_N900 | what's the issue? |
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| 17:42.32 | jpinxN900 | you said to select mad developer |
| 17:43.03 | jpinxN900 | which I did and it only offers mass storage |
| 17:43.10 | Venemo_N900 | jpinxN900: okay... perhaps it's because English is not my native language |
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| 17:43.25 | Venemo_N900 | so.. launch Mad Developer from the app menu |
| 17:43.35 | Venemo_N900 | then configure it |
| 17:43.47 | Venemo_N900 | then select "pc suite mode" |
| 17:44.29 | jpinxN900 | configure? |
| 17:44.57 | Venemo_N900 | Select the usb networking driver |
| 17:45.15 | Venemo_N900 | then set the ip addresses |
| 17:46.13 | jpinxN900 | the edit button for usb0 is not active |
| 17:46.24 | Venemo_N900 | Again |
| 17:46.37 | Venemo_N900 | FIRST, select the usb networking driver |
| 17:46.50 | jpinxN900 | wait.... |
| 17:48.08 | Venemo_N900 | There are like 3 buttons on that UI |
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| 17:49.43 | jpinxN900 | okso itis a server or a client? |
| 17:50.02 | Venemo_N900 | Neither. |
| 17:50.35 | Venemo_N900 | it just loads a driver with the settings you input |
| 17:51.10 | jpinxN900 | this making no sense to me atall |
| 17:51.17 | jpinxN900 | :( |
| 17:51.17 | Venemo_N900 | What? |
| 17:51.36 | jpinxN900 | ssh is usually server/client |
| 17:51.49 | Venemo_N900 | okay |
| 17:51.59 | Venemo_N900 | :) |
| 17:52.05 | jpinxN900 | what settings am I putting in? |
| 17:52.33 | Venemo_N900 | I was referring to networking settings |
| 17:53.04 | Venemo_N900 | if you have the SSH server running on the N900, it will work on USB notwork, too, if this is your question |
| 17:53.51 | jpinxN900 | the network settings asks for dhcp client or server or static |
| 17:55.03 | Venemo_N900 | Okay... seems that you don't really know what those things mean, do you? |
| 17:55.11 | Venemo_N900 | no problem |
| 17:55.21 | Venemo_N900 | I recommend setting a static IP to the device |
| 17:55.28 | jpinxN900 | usually the client doesn't need anything excdeptto allow ssh incomig connections |
| 17:55.53 | Venemo_N900 | 1. set a static IP to the device |
| 17:56.09 | Venemo_N900 | 2. set up the USB network on your PC |
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| 17:56.52 | Venemo_N900 | Of course in this case you should set a static IP to the PC too |
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| 18:01.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: ok - I gave up typing on the n900 ;) |
| 18:01.48 | jpinx-eeepc | presumably now that the apps are installed I can configure it while offline? |
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| 18:04.59 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I think |
| 18:05.08 | luke-jr | pfft |
| 18:05.11 | luke-jr | static IPs are lame |
| 18:05.18 | luke-jr | just bridge usb0 to your LAN |
| 18:05.28 | luke-jr | let it autoconfigure |
| 18:05.51 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: for connecting his N900 to his PC, static IP should be good enough |
| 18:06.03 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: I don't have a LAN |
| 18:06.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: I really appreciate thee time you're putting into this - I have set up ssh before and run x over iut, but never done a USB connection before |
| 18:07.16 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: WAN, whatever |
| 18:07.25 | luke-jr | everyone has a LAN |
| 18:07.31 | luke-jr | it's just a question of the size of it |
| 18:07.42 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: I don't have my own WAN either ;) |
| 18:07.49 | luke-jr | doesn't need to be your own |
| 18:08.26 | jpinx-eeepc | is on a non-secure pulic WAP that uses aa browser login - and only allows one devvice per password |
| 18:09.09 | Venemo_N900 | Hmm... |
| 18:09.14 | jpinx-eeepc | hence my need for ssh by USB cable connect to the N900 |
| 18:10.04 | jpinx-eeepc | I am thinking it is a means of getting a keyboaard that I can actually use on teh n900, and at the same time use the internet wifi via the n900 |
| 18:10.54 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: interesting thought |
| 18:11.00 | jpinx-eeepc | tbh, if I am stuck with the n900's own kbd, or virtual kbd, I'll sell it :( |
| 18:11.14 | jpinx-eeepc | the onscreen kbd sux badlyc |
| 18:11.40 | jpinx-eeepc | and the hardware one is ok for my girlfriend (5ft thai girl) ;) |
| 18:11.56 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: haha |
| 18:12.01 | jpinx-eeepc | but even she can't "type" on it - it's one finger per hand--- |
| 18:12.14 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: I like its hw kbd |
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| 18:12.44 | MNZ | jpinx-eeepc, people easily achieve 30-40 words per minute on it, some even more |
| 18:12.45 | jpinx-eeepc | the eeepc kbd is about the smallest kbd one can actually type on in the tradiditonal way |
| 18:13.34 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: this is my first phone with a qwerty |
| 18:13.38 | jpinx-eeepc | MNZ: I daresay some people with tiny fingertips and loads of practice can - but I am 2 metres tall, weight 100Kgs and have hands to match :) |
| 18:14.16 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: yeah |
| 18:14.19 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: I type on the N900 with thumbs |
| 18:14.30 | SpeedEvil | me too. |
| 18:14.35 | SpeedEvil | I get about 30-35wpm |
| 18:14.47 | jpinx-eeepc | I bought the n900 on teh basis that people told me there was an external kbd option in the works, but the reality is otherwise |
| 18:14.48 | SpeedEvil | that's after about a weeks practice whern my laptop broke |
| 18:15.07 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: some people do use bluetooth keyboards |
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| 18:15.25 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - I am exploreing bluetooth kbdsh |
| 18:15.43 | jpinx-eeepc | but I can not find a compatible one here (bangkok) |
| 18:16.27 | jpinx-eeepc | so - the long and short of it is that I really want ssh over usb |
| 18:16.38 | SpeedEvil | So do. |
| 18:16.53 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 18:17.09 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: order from ebay? |
| 18:17.12 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: been there, didn't work |
| 18:17.47 | SpeedEvil | works for me. |
| 18:17.48 | jpinx-eeepc | I *really* want ssh over usb |
| 18:17.51 | SpeedEvil | Why diddn't it work |
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| 18:18.21 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: you obviously haven't typed on a C760 |
| 18:18.24 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: I told him to try Mad Developer |
| 18:18.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: had me install a mad developer thing |
| 18:18.46 | jpinx-eeepc | but that is really confusing the issue |
| 18:18.59 | luke-jr | C760 was usable "in the traditional way" |
| 18:19.14 | luke-jr | and only 2x as thick as N810 |
| 18:19.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: ok - I have mad developer open |
| 18:19.46 | jpinx-eeepc | what exactly am I inputting? |
| 18:20.05 | jpinx-eeepc | IP address 192.168.1.15 |
| 18:20.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Static |
| 18:20.21 | jpinx-eeepc | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:20.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Yck default route |
| 18:20.39 | SpeedEvil | I just have a script on the host sife that does 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 |
| 18:20.40 | SpeedEvil | route add 192.168.2.15 usb0 |
| 18:20.40 | SpeedEvil | ssh root@phone ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.15 |
| 18:20.40 | SpeedEvil | ssh -N -D 8888 root@phoneusb |
| 18:20.41 | jpinx-eeepc | *tick |
| 18:20.43 | SpeedEvil | and that's it |
| 18:20.54 | jpinx-eeepc | a92.168.1.14 |
| 18:21.03 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: what's your issue? it should work |
| 18:21.09 | SpeedEvil | to give me a socks proxy on the phone |
| 18:21.15 | SpeedEvil | Works fine |
| 18:21.28 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: did you set it up on the computer, too? |
| 18:21.29 | SpeedEvil | Once the setup tweaks on the n900 side have been done |
| 18:21.56 | Corsac | hmmh, in which component are the contacts backup'ed? |
| 18:22.07 | Corsac | âcommunication and calendarâ? |
| 18:22.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: i hit configure, and it goes to a screen with usbO showing no settings |
| 18:22.42 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: hm. |
| 18:22.59 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: I have no ida then |
| 18:23.12 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: it works for me with 2 clicks |
| 18:23.51 | jpinx-eeepc | which 2 clicks? |
| 18:24.16 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: or 3 |
| 18:24.36 | jpinx-eeepc | is there something to be done to mad developer to make it active? |
| 18:25.36 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I worked through the wiki and just did not get a result, network is unreachable |
| 18:25.45 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: http://the-gadgeteer.com/assets/c760-9.jpg |
| 18:25.57 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: the removable cards are CompactFlash, for size comparison |
| 18:26.46 | jpinx-eeepc | I *really* want ssh over usb to the n900 ;) |
| 18:27.43 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Is the interface up on both sides? |
| 18:27.53 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Does it show incrementing packets when pinged? |
| 18:28.00 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Are the routes correct? |
| 18:28.57 | MNZ | is there a way to set the phone to not connect to any gsm networks but still connect to wifi? besides removing sim card... |
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| 18:30.06 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: after following the wiki for the eeepc setup ifconfig does not show any usb |
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| 18:30.30 | SpeedEvil | you have the correct module on your eeepc? |
| 18:30.32 | SpeedEvil | It's loaded? |
| 18:30.41 | Venemo_N900 | Hey again |
| 18:30.43 | SpeedEvil | Module or inbuilt kernel option |
| 18:30.44 | Venemo_N900 | I got "no cellular network available"... |
| 18:31.24 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: kernel 2.6.32 |
| 18:31.34 | Venemo_N900 | is on a train right now |
| 18:32.00 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: You have the cdc_ether module loaded? |
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| 18:32.36 | SpeedEvil | Do you get syslogs like |
| 18:32.47 | jpinx-eeepc | sure |
| 18:32.55 | jpinx-eeepc | what do you want me to paste? |
| 18:33.10 | SpeedEvil | Sep 4 19:19:55 darkstar kernel: [32958.196262] cdc_ether 1-1:1.8: usb_probe_inter |
| 18:33.10 | SpeedEvil | face |
| 18:33.10 | SpeedEvil | Sep 4 19:19:55 darkstar kernel: [32958.196267] cdc_ether 1-1:1.8: usb_probe_interface - got id |
| 18:33.10 | SpeedEvil | Sep 4 19:19:55 darkstar kernel: [32958.197910] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 0a:f3:7f:42:42:42 |
| 18:33.12 | SpeedEvil | on boot |
| 18:33.21 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 18:33.23 | SpeedEvil | not boot |
| 18:33.24 | SpeedEvil | plugin |
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| 18:33.30 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:33.38 | SpeedEvil | After you select 'pc suite' mode |
| 18:34.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - hang on while I unplug and replug... |
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| 18:35.10 | MNZ | where are the upstart scripts kept, if there are any? |
| 18:36.30 | bef0rd | hey just wondering, does the n900 support ovi suite or nokia suite? |
| 18:37.03 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: http://paste.debian.net/87805/ |
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| 18:37.30 | Venemo_N900 | MNZ: /etc/event.d/ afaik |
| 18:37.35 | kerio | MNZ: there's a "tablet mode" package |
| 18:37.43 | kerio | it adds another button to the power menu |
| 18:37.47 | kerio | shuts down the phone |
| 18:37.52 | kerio | leaving you with a tablet |
| 18:38.06 | MNZ | kerio, sweet will try that. |
| 18:38.21 | MNZ | Venemo_N900, thanks that's it |
| 18:38.38 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Now - what does ifconfig n900 show? |
| 18:38.59 | luke-jr | bef0rd: N900 isn't a phone |
| 18:39.01 | SpeedEvil | You may need to ifconfig n900 up first |
| 18:39.17 | SpeedEvil | stabs luke-jr with a rottweiler named Sue. |
| 18:39.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: rottweilers aren't named Sue |
| 18:39.48 | SpeedEvil | This one is, and he's very sensitive about the name. |
| 18:39.56 | bef0rd | I know the whole story, I just wanted to know if it was compatible with any software to manage contacts |
| 18:39.58 | luke-jr | I have a shotgun. |
| 18:40.09 | SpeedEvil | I has a flavour. |
| 18:40.24 | luke-jr | do rottweilers taste good? |
| 18:40.27 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: inet addr:192.168.2.14 |
| 18:40.40 | SpeedEvil | No, rthey cast detect evil. |
| 18:40.58 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Right - now on the n900 side - if you ping that address - do you get a response? |
| 18:41.35 | Venemo_N900 | bef0rd: sorry, what's your issue? |
| 18:42.26 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: cool- yes |
| 18:42.53 | SpeedEvil | Ok - the connection is working you need to setup routing on both sides |
| 18:42.53 | bef0rd | hey Venemo_N900, I just want to see if I can remove some useless contacts that got added when I installed the msn-pecan library |
| 18:42.58 | jpinx-eeepc | and ifconfig -a in the n900 shows usb0 with 192.168.1.15 |
| 18:44.12 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: ok what does that need? |
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| 18:44.53 | Venemo_N900 | bef0rd: beware with that, it may delete your contacts from MSN, too |
| 18:45.36 | bef0rd | yea I don't mind, I actually tried to delete them from msn too, still doesn't work gonna delete all contacts and try again :P |
| 18:46.11 | lolloo | how can i make firefox my default browser for maemo? |
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| 18:46.34 | kerio | short answer: you can't |
| 18:46.46 | ToJa92 | [lolloo]: Try browser switchboard |
| 18:46.54 | Venemo_N900 | bef0rd: if you don't mind, then just delete them |
| 18:47.15 | Venemo_N900 | bef0rd: note that Pecan can be quite buggy sometimes |
| 18:47.37 | lolloo | hey ToJa92 |
| 18:47.48 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: at the moment ssh is telling me no route to host, so what do I need ? |
| 18:47.54 | bef0rd | Venemo_N900, yup, I've got some crashes, going to try ovi suite, somebody said it was compatible on a forum |
| 18:47.59 | lolloo | where is that switch bord? |
| 18:48.23 | ToJa92 | [lolloo]: Should be in app manager |
| 18:48.34 | ToJa92 | I think it's in the extras repository |
| 18:48.46 | lolloo | cool lemme check |
| 18:48.57 | Venemo_N900 | bef0rd: I recommend you to try Butterfly for MSN |
| 18:49.07 | Venemo_N900 | bef0rd: and yes, Ovi suite is compatible... to some extent |
| 18:49.21 | lolloo | why? why butterfly? |
| 18:50.01 | lolloo | why isnt E-buddy not supported yet? |
| 18:50.11 | lolloo | nor Fring |
| 18:51.33 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: Pecan wants to readd all my deleted contacts on every login |
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| 18:52.26 | bef0rd | Venemo_N900, I have that issue too,I get like 20 confirmation messages on every login.. |
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| 18:57.50 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
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| 18:57.59 | Venemo_N900 | I got disconnected again |
| 18:58.21 | lolloo | hi |
| 18:58.28 | Venemo_N900 | I'm in the middle of nowhere, there is barely some network coverage here... |
| 18:58.28 | lolloo | wb |
| 18:58.45 | lolloo | what client r u using for irc |
| 18:58.52 | lolloo | on ur n900 |
| 18:58.56 | lolloo | ? |
| 18:58.57 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: Communi |
| 18:59.14 | lolloo | for n900? |
| 18:59.20 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: yes |
| 18:59.20 | lolloo | compatibile? |
| 18:59.23 | lolloo | thx |
| 18:59.33 | lolloo | is it on app manager? |
| 18:59.38 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: its author sent me a .deb :) |
| 18:59.43 | lolloo | wow |
| 18:59.50 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: it is unreleased (yet) |
| 19:00.10 | lolloo | mmm is it better than Xchat? |
| 19:00.13 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: but you can get XChat from the repos |
| 19:00.24 | lolloo | ya am using it now |
| 19:00.35 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: it is more lightweight |
| 19:00.41 | lolloo | ahaa |
| 19:00.45 | lolloo | ur right |
| 19:00.51 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: and I'm planning to contribute to it |
| 19:00.52 | lolloo | but not many options |
| 19:01.04 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: right |
| 19:01.09 | lolloo | how do u right in red to me? |
| 19:01.15 | lolloo | write |
| 19:01.16 | merlin1991 | I like xchat, I actually switched to xchat on my desktop too now |
| 19:01.34 | merlin1991 | because he adds your name first |
| 19:01.34 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: what do you mean? |
| 19:01.37 | lolloo | yes not same on linux |
| 19:01.42 | merlin1991 | lolloo, red text |
| 19:01.52 | lolloo | your replying to me |
| 19:01.58 | lolloo | using my name |
| 19:02.02 | Venemo_N900 | merlin1991: XChat is good, but not finger friendly |
| 19:02.04 | lolloo | lolloo: |
| 19:02.13 | lolloo | how do u do that? |
| 19:02.15 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: yes, I am |
| 19:02.19 | lolloo | how? |
| 19:02.27 | Venemo_N900 | I write your name in my message |
| 19:02.37 | merlin1991 | lolloo: when your write someone name in the msg it gets highlighted in red |
| 19:02.38 | Venemo_N900 | then it gets highlighted for you |
| 19:02.52 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo, merlin1991 is right |
| 19:03.14 | lolloo | Venemo_N900 is this right? |
| 19:03.21 | lolloo | didt worl |
| 19:03.25 | lolloo | work |
| 19:03.26 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: YES! |
| 19:03.35 | lolloo | it did nice |
| 19:03.47 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: it only highlights for the person whose name is there |
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| 19:03.59 | Venemo_N900 | merlin1991, if your name refers to your birthdate, then we were born in the same year |
| 19:04.01 | lolloo | so u see it red in ur end? |
| 19:04.09 | Venemo_N900 | lolloo: yes! |
| 19:04.13 | lolloo | awesome |
| 19:04.15 | luke-jr | rubs his eyes |
| 19:04.19 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 19:04.20 | Venemo_N900 | :) |
| 19:04.20 | lolloo | true |
| 19:04.22 | luke-jr | 1991-births are allowed on IRC now? |
| 19:04.38 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: why, are they not? :P |
| 19:04.59 | merlin1991 | yes luke-jr |
| 19:05.02 | luke-jr | Venemo_N900: you have to be a certain age to use FreeNode |
| 19:05.09 | merlin1991 | and if you check the logs, I'm here since quite some time :D |
| 19:05.16 | merlin1991 | Venemo_N900, yeah it is |
| 19:05.24 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: I'm 19. That not enough for ya? |
| 19:05.30 | luke-jr | Venemo_N900: I feel old. |
| 19:05.48 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: you don't need to :) |
| 19:06.47 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: there is a saying in Hungary, which roughly translates to "you're only as old as you feel" |
| 19:06.53 | jpinx-eeepc | is ssh'd over usb - thanks for all the help SpeedEvil Venemo_N900 |
| 19:07.08 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: you're welcome! |
| 19:07.12 | luke-jr | still associates 90s with 4-years-old |
| 19:07.19 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: you see, I knew it would work |
| 19:07.41 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: 1990s or 1890s? |
| 19:08.24 | Venemo_N900 | luke-jr: :P |
| 19:09.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo_N900: where I come efrom it's "You're only as old as the woman you feel" :) |
| 19:09.25 | pupnik | nice |
| 19:09.32 | Venemo_N900 | jpinx-eeepc: lol |
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| 19:09.39 | citygent | Does any body know if there is an irc channel for neopwn (v2)? |
| 19:09.51 | Venemo_N900 | Anyways, I'll quit. my battery is nearly depleted and I wish to listen to music |
| 19:10.27 | lolloo | merlin1991 hiii |
| 19:11.00 | Venemo_N900 | So, goodbye |
| 19:11.13 | lolloo | merlin1991 how are you |
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| 19:12.39 | zap | This optification idea was totally horrible. There are lots of broken packages because of this |
| 19:12.56 | nox- | moin |
| 19:13.07 | zap | Why not just mount /usr to the internal flash card instead, like most decent unices do |
| 19:16.33 | achipa | zap: you're a year late - in short, would cause issues with reflashing, root is faster, that sort of stuff. It's hideous but the other solutions were, too |
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| 19:18.34 | Corsac | hmhm, is there a note applet which would access notes from inside the calendar/tasks/notes system? |
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| 19:20.51 | midas_ | too bad that nokia is almost stopping the support for the n900 completely with the release of meego.. :< |
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| 19:25.28 | Chibi-Taiga | hello |
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| 19:29.14 | measure | any one tried compiz on n900? |
| 19:29.41 | Chibi-Taiga | anyone knows if there is perl for n900? |
| 19:30.42 | measure | afaik should be there |
| 19:30.48 | nox- | perl is on there by default i think, tho cpan doesnt work |
| 19:31.06 | Chibi-Taiga | humm so i can run pl scripts ? |
| 19:31.43 | nox- | those that dont need perl stuff thats not been ported, yes |
| 19:31.58 | Chibi-Taiga | well its for xchat |
| 19:32.12 | measure | irssi? |
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| 19:36.49 | Chibi-Taiga | seems perl isnt on mines acording xchat |
| 19:37.23 | Chibi-Taiga | btw is there an rar app for n900 to ? |
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| 19:40.50 | `Francesca_Lucch | anyways |
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| 19:42.49 | Chibi-Taiga | so uhm can anyone help ? |
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| 19:50.05 | trumee | any nokia guys around? |
| 19:51.26 | trumee | anybody who has access to internal bug reports around? |
| 19:51.41 | Lynoure | trumee: why do you ask something like that? |
| 19:52.05 | trumee | Lynoure: i need to find out about an internal bug report. |
| 19:52.09 | Lynoure | trumee: if you don't have access, they cannot really tell you what's there either, unless you show them an NDA |
| 19:52.42 | trumee | Lynoure: relax i have a question about opensource code only. |
| 19:53.11 | Lynoure | trumee: better luck catching people in work network during work hours |
| 19:53.17 | Lynoure | :) |
| 19:53.46 | trumee | Lynoure: yeah, probably. although sometimes timeless is around. |
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| 19:56.13 | npt | can anyone tell me what there if for the n800 beyond the last official nokia release? |
| 19:56.29 | npt | I heard about some community based distributions?? |
| 19:58.03 | lcuk | npt, obviously theres a load of community apps, there is an in testing community ssu for n8x0 also |
| 19:58.22 | lcuk | there is more on the talk.maemo.org forums relating to this |
| 20:04.01 | Samhita | any idea when nitroid with phone functionality gets released? |
| 20:04.37 | lcuk | Samhita, ask the nitdroid guys |
| 20:04.49 | lcuk | having working phone service is taken for granted round here ;) |
| 20:05.09 | kerio | i thought they already did calls |
| 20:05.13 | kerio | or maybe it was just data |
| 20:05.29 | MohammadAG | they do calls |
| 20:05.35 | MohammadAG | but afaik audio doesn't get routed |
| 20:05.46 | MohammadAG | at least you can miss call with it |
| 20:06.01 | lcuk | oh Manchester police, how you do us proud. |
| 20:06.04 | lcuk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11187747 |
| 20:06.11 | npt | lcuk: what I mean is, is there a Community based distribution for the thing? |
| 20:06.20 | npt | I heard that ubuntu was going to port to it, etc |
| 20:06.47 | Samhita | tx luck and MohammadAG |
| 20:06.50 | lcuk | npt, the n8x0 has at numerous times had various things |
| 20:06.54 | lcuk | you will be thinking of Mer |
| 20:06.55 | kerio | MohammadAG: heh, that's what i do with most of my calls |
| 20:06.56 | MohammadAG | lcuk * |
| 20:07.04 | MohammadAG | kerio, you suck :P |
| 20:07.16 | MohammadAG | calls are made to be rejected, not missed |
| 20:07.16 | npt | lcuk: is mir still around? |
| 20:07.24 | MohammadAG | mer's dead |
| 20:07.25 | kerio | why can't people use msn/jabber/skype to contact me |
| 20:07.27 | kerio | ffs |
| 20:07.30 | lcuk | it is, but its not moved anywhere for a while |
| 20:07.37 | npt | hmm |
| 20:07.41 | lcuk | stuck in a basement |
| 20:07.49 | npt | is it better than the last nokia release? |
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| 20:07.51 | MohammadAG | was planning to resurrect it |
| 20:07.54 | lcuk | no |
| 20:08.00 | lcuk | it was unfinished |
| 20:08.10 | npt | is there anything that is better than the last nokia release? |
| 20:08.11 | MohammadAG | base it on Ubuntu 9.10 |
| 20:08.11 | lcuk | maemo diablo is rocking on 8x0 though |
| 20:08.12 | kerio | MohammadAG: just ignoring them is easier |
| 20:08.14 | lcuk | add mirror |
| 20:08.19 | kerio | gives you plausible deniability |
| 20:08.21 | lcuk | and its pretty close to fremantle :) |
| 20:08.21 | MohammadAG | kerio, that works too |
| 20:08.35 | kerio | Nokia N900 - a phone for people who hate talking |
| 20:08.43 | npt | ishmm |
| 20:08.47 | lcuk | npt, what was wrong with the nokia release |
| 20:09.00 | lcuk | kerio, calls work on the n900? |
| 20:09.06 | lcuk | on maemo at least |
| 20:09.10 | satmd | heard there's a new release planned |
| 20:09.21 | kerio | lcuk: 'twas a joke |
| 20:09.28 | npt | lcuk: nothing is wrong with it, just looking for a more updated kernel, etc |
| 20:09.41 | lcuk | then look at the community ssu |
| 20:09.42 | kerio | you know |
| 20:09.43 | kerio | phone for ners |
| 20:09.46 | kerio | *d |
| 20:10.02 | npt | what is the community "ssu" ? |
| 20:10.02 | lcuk | tells his girlfriend and son that they are nerds |
| 20:10.10 | lcuk | seamless update |
| 20:10.10 | npt | lol |
| 20:10.17 | npt | my son will be a nerd |
| 20:10.19 | MohammadAG | seamless software update* |
| 20:10.28 | lcuk | one of mine is more nerdier than the other |
| 20:10.33 | npt | I don;t have one yet but when I do, he (or she) will be a nerd |
| 20:10.37 | lcuk | but luke uses the house 900 for facebook |
| 20:10.49 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:10.49 | npt | ahh, interesting |
| 20:10.51 | npt | so |
| 20:10.56 | npt | can you link me to the ssu? |
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| 20:12.09 | Chibi-Taiga | guys ? |
| 20:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | npt: hildon-application-manager |
| 20:12.29 | Chibi-Taiga | does anyone know howto creat an m3u playlist for n900 ? |
| 20:12.31 | lcuk | npt, theres a few threads about it |
| 20:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | the best and shortest link to SSU |
| 20:12.36 | npt | ok |
| 20:12.39 | lcuk | lemme see which was the most uptodate |
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| 20:13.34 | Jaffa | Ev'ning |
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| 20:13.40 | npt | thank lcuk |
| 20:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | lo Jaffa |
| 20:13.44 | npt | you are a nice guy |
| 20:13.50 | lcuk | hey Jaffa \o |
| 20:14.02 | lcuk | (another nice guy :p) |
| 20:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | bah, nothing beats grumpy doc |
| 20:14.59 | npt | oh yeah? well good to meet you then Jaffa. |
| 20:16.33 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/re-community_updates_for_diablo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1#b22ba91c50ad11dfb5a7f598e311e47be47b |
| 20:16.50 | npt | thanks lcuk! |
| 20:16.50 | lcuk | npt, thats not the newest but it indicates the list of fixes in the update |
| 20:16.59 | lcuk | is actually having trouble getting info |
| 20:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 20:17.07 | npt | so it's like updates to a regular distro? |
| 20:17.16 | lcuk | and we only just bloody did this i think my head has melted or somethin |
| 20:17.22 | npt | like apt-get update or emerge --sync type deal? |
| 20:18.28 | lcuk | it updates like diablo ssu does using the app manager, but it does not include as wide ranging patches that a full OS update will include |
| 20:18.43 | lcuk | and apt-get mechanism has afaik never been officially supported for any update |
| 20:18.56 | lcuk | since the device ships without root required :P |
| 20:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, community SSU for diablo? sorry for the noise then |
| 20:19.29 | lcuk | heh DocScrutinizer yeah |
| 20:19.42 | lcuk | its the one that I don't know much about but that we should be learning from |
| 20:20.05 | lcuk | Jaffa, how was the rest of the week with your trainees |
| 20:20.17 | lcuk | are they fully capable all set to go now? |
| 20:20.20 | npt | hmm ok reading |
| 20:20.47 | npt | still a bit confused but if it will update me from the really old last nokia release, even partially, I want it. |
| 20:20.49 | npt | : ) |
| 20:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | feels like throwing together a few dirt cheap scripts with zenity |
| 20:22.42 | lcuk | npt, it will take more digging i think, its having its patches put onto git and organising it from the maemo.org side to be cleanly provided rather than the smaller scale tests |
| 20:23.47 | npt | lcuk: gotcha, that makes more sense I suppose. |
| 20:24.27 | npt | Well, I am glad to hear things are happening. I had been hoping there would be a "hacker edition" like there was with 2008 for the n770 |
| 20:24.40 | npt | but this is still WAY cooler than nothing |
| 20:24.46 | lcuk | heh |
| 20:24.57 | Jaffa | lcuk: In two days they fixed a bug each and closed another as cannot reproduce/fixed already. |
| 20:24.59 | lcuk | the issue with a hacker edition is the powervr mostly |
| 20:25.03 | Jaffa | lcuk: Which is good. |
| 20:25.33 | lcuk | npt, since the system ended up making much more use of the silicon on the omap3 than previous generations |
| 20:25.41 | lcuk | it would be much harder to do |
| 20:25.55 | lcuk | but try just installing telescope :) |
| 20:26.17 | lcuk | even without a major system update, it can change the way you feel about your device :) |
| 20:26.39 | lcuk | Jaffa, heh, that is good news then |
| 20:27.15 | npt | what IS telescope? |
| 20:27.33 | Chibi-Taiga | guess you guys can help with creat m3u for n900 |
| 20:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's some eyecandy |
| 20:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | which had been supposed to be impossible previously? |
| 20:28.42 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yeah |
| 20:28.57 | lcuk | the dashboard on the n900 was one of the major points and uses of the powervr |
| 20:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | hates eyecandy :-P |
| 20:29.30 | lcuk | and telescope manages the same effect iwth some low level compositing and x11 magic |
| 20:29.33 | npt | ahh |
| 20:29.48 | npt | this I will try I guess |
| 20:29.55 | npt | just to see what it looks like |
| 20:30.06 | npt | I can always reflash if I don't like it |
| 20:30.11 | lcuk | indeed |
| 20:30.14 | npt | or just uninstall telescope |
| 20:30.24 | lcuk | npt, but whilst you are talking, dont mention usb host mode to DocScrutinizer |
| 20:30.27 | lcuk | he shouts :P |
| 20:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 20:30.43 | npt | I am confused? |
| 20:30.43 | lcuk | giggles |
| 20:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 20:31.00 | npt | ok |
| 20:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | insider gaga |
| 20:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | gaga as well, but I meant gag |
| 20:31.16 | lcuk | a regression in the n900 with hostmode occured and the n8x0 can do it easily whilst n900 cannot yet |
| 20:31.17 | npt | does it have to do with the ps3 stuff |
| 20:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | not at all |
| 20:31.36 | lcuk | no, thats feasible from n900 :P |
| 20:31.37 | npt | ahh |
| 20:31.42 | npt | I know |
| 20:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | though ps-freedom is a cool hack |
| 20:31.52 | npt | also from the n800 according to the src |
| 20:31.54 | npt | yes it is |
| 20:31.56 | npt | very cool |
| 20:32.23 | npt | I am trying to determine if the src is true or not |
| 20:32.55 | npt | I hadn't used my n800 is about six months, and honestly ps-freedom was what made me think about it |
| 20:32.58 | npt | I don't have a ps3 |
| 20:32.59 | npt | but |
| 20:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | KaKaRoTo claimed he *is* already getting paid by Nokia, for the great advertisment of NITs |
| 20:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:33.17 | npt | are you SERIOUS? |
| 20:33.32 | npt | I assume that was a joke? |
| 20:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | half half |
| 20:33.46 | npt | lol |
| 20:33.47 | npt | : ) |
| 20:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure Nokia doesn't pay him for ps-freedom or for the advertising effects of it |
| 20:34.16 | npt | so, since the musb driver is the hardest part of the src, as long as it's recompiled on 2.6.21 on the n800, everything ought to work then huh? |
| 20:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | otoh it seems his company is doing a lot for Nokia |
| 20:34.42 | lcuk | well KaKaRoTo is a fellow collaboran |
| 20:34.43 | KaKaRoTo | lol |
| 20:34.53 | npt | hey - it's you |
| 20:34.55 | npt | I can ask you |
| 20:34.57 | KaKaRoTo | lcuk, hi again :p |
| 20:35.00 | lcuk | \o |
| 20:35.03 | npt | does it work on the n800 KaKaRoTo? |
| 20:35.07 | lcuk | has seen you somewhere else :P |
| 20:35.55 | KaKaRoTo | npt, yes, it does |
| 20:36.02 | npt | yay! |
| 20:36.27 | KaKaRoTo | but the controller's driver is unstable, so you have to edit the /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh to prevent it from trying to load the mass storage driver |
| 20:36.41 | npt | so, what do I need to do differently on the n800 than with the n900? just compile it on n800 so the .28 module isn't trying to force itself into a .21 kernel? |
| 20:36.53 | KaKaRoTo | when it tries to load it, it corrupts psfreedom's memory and blocks the controller before it realizes "oh, you're busy, sorry" |
| 20:37.01 | npt | ok |
| 20:37.02 | npt | so |
| 20:37.12 | npt | I just updated my n800 to the latest nokia release |
| 20:37.17 | npt | so |
| 20:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | KaKaRoTo: LOL |
| 20:37.32 | npt | can you help me get it going? I would REALLY appreciate it. |
| 20:37.54 | KaKaRoTo | DocScrutinizer, I got a question for you |
| 20:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | shoot |
| 20:38.20 | KaKaRoTo | npt, grab the binary file, i've put it somewhere (if only I remembered where) |
| 20:38.29 | npt | : ) |
| 20:38.29 | KaKaRoTo | npt, let me talk to DocScrutinizer, and I'll come back to you,ok ? |
| 20:38.33 | npt | ok |
| 20:38.35 | npt | : ) |
| 20:38.56 | KaKaRoTo | DocScrutinizer, question is.. I realized that whenever my module gets loaded, I can't rmmod it.. 'lsmod' shows Used=4billion-something (0xFFFFFFFF) |
| 20:39.08 | KaKaRoTo | dockane, once I plug it in, it goes to 0 and I can rmmod it |
| 20:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:39.16 | KaKaRoTo | and it looks like it's been like that from day one |
| 20:39.27 | KaKaRoTo | how the hell am I supposed to initialize the 'used counter' or whatever |
| 20:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | it's friggin -1 |
| 20:39.38 | KaKaRoTo | g_file_storage doesn't have that problem, so obviously, I'm doing something wrong |
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| 20:39.53 | KaKaRoTo | but I couldn't find anything in the file_storage.c's bind function |
| 20:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | it frees a driver use count that never got incremented before, I'd say |
| 20:40.46 | KaKaRoTo | yeah, it's -1 |
| 20:40.54 | KaKaRoTo | but where can I 'set it' to 0 |
| 20:41.05 | KaKaRoTo | or what am I supposed to do for the usb system to set it properly |
| 20:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | some nasty driver is calling the _unload_ or whatyacallit, without previously having called a proper _load_ |
| 20:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | so the usecount of the driver in question goes down from initial usecount=0 to -1 |
| 20:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | and that's obviously a bug |
| 20:43.18 | KaKaRoTo | ok |
| 20:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | (btw taling out of my ass here) |
| 20:43.27 | KaKaRoTo | does it have to do with the bind/unbind |
| 20:43.34 | KaKaRoTo | or it's load/unload of the module |
| 20:43.35 | KaKaRoTo | ? |
| 20:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | no clue, sorry |
| 20:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | ask paul |
| 20:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | he's much more savvy wrt low level kernel things than me |
| 20:44.17 | KaKaRoTo | dockane, PaulF ? |
| 20:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 20:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | tell him the problem, point him to the source, and if you bribe him nicely ( :-P ) he will fix it for you in 5 min |
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| 20:46.52 | KaKaRoTo | hehe, ok, thx :) |
| 20:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 20:52.09 | npt | KaKaRoTo, so, would you mind helping me? |
| 20:52.24 | npt | I am a HUGE fan of your work. |
| 20:52.30 | npt | it's pretty amazing actually |
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| 20:54.10 | npt | Kakaroto, may I PM you? |
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| 20:54.44 | KaKaRoTo | npt, go ahead, but i'm on the phone atm |
| 20:55.13 | npt | well, would it be better to talk n800 edits in here or PM? |
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| 20:56.39 | npt | as I am a proud n800 owner : ) |
| 20:57.02 | npt | wish I had a n900 but can't justify have both since I have a phone and a bluetooth gps and keybd |
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| 20:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | npt: ps-freedom is a maemo topic, no? so it's supposed to be discussed in public |
| 20:59.51 | npt | ok cool |
| 20:59.52 | npt | : ) |
| 20:59.55 | npt | I thought so but |
| 21:00.04 | npt | I didn't want to make any maemo people mad |
| 21:00.05 | npt | : ) |
| 21:00.12 | npt | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 21:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 21:00.38 | npt | I am so excited to meet the man himself! |
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| 21:02.23 | KaKaRoTo | npt, http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/psfreedom.ko |
| 21:02.31 | KaKaRoTo | npt, download that and put it in your n800 |
| 21:02.48 | npt | KaKaRoTo, it's that easy? |
| 21:02.48 | KaKaRoTo | npt, then edit the file /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh and add at the very top : |
| 21:02.49 | npt | : ) |
| 21:02.53 | npt | ahh |
| 21:02.55 | npt | listening |
| 21:02.58 | KaKaRoTo | insmod /root/psfreedom.ko |
| 21:02.59 | KaKaRoTo | exit 1 |
| 21:03.02 | KaKaRoTo | save, reboot, try it |
| 21:03.07 | KaKaRoTo | that easy |
| 21:04.18 | npt | may I ask |
| 21:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | KaKaRoTo: you actually have to click "ass rage" on the menu, to enable ps-freedom then, or is that even before menu pops up? |
| 21:04.46 | npt | does your's allow backups to run or homebrea, or does that have to do with the ps3 backup manager? |
| 21:04.48 | KaKaRoTo | ass rage? :| |
| 21:05.00 | npt | hombrew |
| 21:05.01 | KaKaRoTo | and what menu ? |
| 21:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | Mass STOrage |
| 21:05.07 | npt | homebrew |
| 21:05.25 | midas_ | meh |
| 21:05.25 | npt | I am saying, does your's allow backups to run, or just homebrew? |
| 21:05.27 | GAN900 | You people are weird. |
| 21:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | the menu on N900 that usually pops up when you connect to host |
| 21:05.31 | midas_ | im gonna replace my n900 |
| 21:05.37 | npt | or is that more related to the backup managed on the ps3? |
| 21:05.48 | KaKaRoTo | DocScrutinizer, ah, no, that's for n810, the script gets run at boot :) |
| 21:05.49 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, it's such a common type I think infobot should pick on it and automatically do a 'User meant:' |
| 21:05.59 | MNZ | common typo* |
| 21:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | KaKaRoTo: aaah I see |
| 21:06.25 | midas_ | htc desire z or a motorola droid 2, hard choice again |
| 21:06.26 | KaKaRoTo | DocScrutinizer, and I only do it because if the g_file_storage module gets loaded it screws up the controller |
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| 21:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~ass rage is Mass STOrage |
| 21:06.39 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 21:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | midas_: equally hard to get good advice for that choice here in this chan |
| 21:08.16 | MohammadAG | ~ass |
| 21:08.16 | infobot | ass is, like, titties,ass and titties. ass and titties. oh yes. |
| 21:08.27 | MohammadAG | ~ass rage |
| 21:08.27 | infobot | i guess ass rage is Mass STOrage |
| 21:08.46 | midas_ | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but im kinda done with nokia and the lack of support |
| 21:09.06 | lcuk | midas_, when did you not get support? |
| 21:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sad to hear that, but hnestly what can we do? |
| 21:09.22 | npt | KaKaRoTo, I am still curious, does your port allow backups to run, or just homebrew which I would be fine with, or is that done at the ps3 level? |
| 21:09.22 | midas_ | nothing |
| 21:09.29 | midas_ | thats why im replacing it :P |
| 21:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | midas_: and what can we learn? |
| 21:09.51 | KaKaRoTo | npt, depends... maybe... :p |
| 21:09.53 | lpotter | midas_: when did you not get support? |
| 21:09.53 | lcuk | i would like to know when he contacted nokia and about what, and how they let him down |
| 21:10.00 | kirma | how do the other phone manufacturers "support" their end customers? yet to see that happening |
| 21:10.02 | lpotter | ditto |
| 21:10.04 | npt | KaKaRoTo, may I ask on what? |
| 21:10.06 | kirma | apart from basic warranty |
| 21:10.24 | KaKaRoTo | npt, latest code (I think I pushed it) allows you to push the payload and shellcode you want by putting them in /lib/firmware/psfreedom_payload.bin and /lib/firmware/psfreedom_shellcode.bin |
| 21:10.34 | midas_ | lpotter: support as in dropping maemo 5 |
| 21:10.40 | KaKaRoTo | I'll be providing both BD-emu enabled and BD-emu disabled payloads |
| 21:10.47 | midas_ | it's all community powered now |
| 21:10.49 | npt | ahh cool |
| 21:10.55 | npt | so xxxx and bdvd |
| 21:10.57 | npt | : ) |
| 21:10.58 | KaKaRoTo | by default (no firmware file found), it uses the bd-emu disabled payload |
| 21:11.00 | KaKaRoTo | yeah |
| 21:11.01 | npt | 0x78 lol |
| 21:11.16 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: for reference, i'm taking my month long summer vacation now. so forget about asking me :) |
| 21:11.26 | npt | just curious, how do you use the other? |
| 21:11.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: tell me that one was not a typo |
| 21:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: ?? |
| 21:11.51 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: what?? |
| 21:11.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: "ass rage" |
| 21:12.05 | KaKaRoTo | npt, what other ? |
| 21:12.06 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: AFAIK, did not ask you anything... |
| 21:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's (C) SpeedEvil |
| 21:12.14 | npt | and does this mean that I need a different payload file from you |
| 21:12.15 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, dates for leeds - you didnt get back about film and tv afternoon |
| 21:12.15 | kerio | heh, yeah, i remember |
| 21:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's so good I adopted it |
| 21:12.33 | npt | KaKaRoTo, I mean, will I be able to backup my God of war 3 disc with this? |
| 21:12.42 | KaKaRoTo | npt, in theory yes |
| 21:12.49 | lpotter | midas_: did Nokia ever say they were not ever going to drop maemo 5? |
| 21:12.50 | npt | what do I do to change the payload |
| 21:12.51 | npt | ? |
| 21:12.52 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'm heading to England sometime today (sunday) or monday |
| 21:13.01 | timeless_mbp | i should be in leeds by wednesday through saturday evening |
| 21:13.01 | kirma | nokia is actively developing something that'd appear to be PR1.3 containing Qt 4.7 for N900. anyway, their primary goal is to make Qt the standard nokia smartphone platform, and turning Maemo/MeeGo/Symbian largely irrelevant for those that develop software for the devices |
| 21:13.02 | lcuk | indeed |
| 21:13.07 | KaKaRoTo | just realized he did all this and never actually installed a .pkg or tried to backup anything... |
| 21:13.09 | timeless_mbp | needs to get tickets |
| 21:13.26 | KaKaRoTo | npt, to change the payload you do 'cp payload_bd.bin /lib/firmware/psfreedom_payload.bin' |
| 21:13.34 | KaKaRoTo | I'll be providing those .bin files |
| 21:13.41 | npt | ahh |
| 21:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | lo timeless_mbp |
| 21:13.56 | KaKaRoTo | npt, well, not with the file I sent you.. but with the latest git (locally) yes |
| 21:13.58 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 21:14.05 | npt | ahh |
| 21:14.12 | npt | when will you push out of curiousity? |
| 21:14.19 | KaKaRoTo | npt, if you want, you can just fire up 'vi psfreedom.ko' and replace the 'xxxx' |
| 21:14.29 | midas_ | lpotter: they did it in a short time dont you agree? |
| 21:14.33 | KaKaRoTo | as most people did when I had just released the binary... |
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| 21:14.42 | npt | ahh |
| 21:14.54 | npt | well, it's nice to know I can do that |
| 21:14.55 | npt | but |
| 21:14.56 | npt | still |
| 21:15.05 | npt | I would like to know how to do it the way you are doing it |
| 21:15.16 | npt | ie correctly (more correct to how you are doing things) |
| 21:15.17 | KaKaRoTo | npt, that would require me to compile a new module for you |
| 21:15.19 | KaKaRoTo | yawns |
| 21:15.39 | npt | I'm sorry |
| 21:15.44 | npt | I didn't mean to put you out |
| 21:15.46 | npt | it's ok |
| 21:15.53 | npt | I assume you mean |
| 21:16.01 | npt | hex edit the .ko? |
| 21:16.19 | GAN900 | lpotter, given the competition's behavior. At least 2 years is a reasonable expectation in this market segment. |
| 21:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | lpotter: short Q - what's Qt mobile (or what it's called) policy regarding kbd hotkeys? |
| 21:16.29 | GAN900 | lpotter, 10 months or so is not that. |
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| 21:17.27 | lpotter | GAN900: and where is the official word that Nokia has actually dropped 'support' or is not developing maemo5 anymore? |
| 21:17.49 | lpotter | DocScrutinizer: you mean Qt Mobility? |
| 21:17.53 | npt | so KaKaRoTo does your implementation use the same backup manager on the ps3? |
| 21:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:18.10 | GAN900 | lpotter, where is the official word that support has been dropped for 770? N800? N810? |
| 21:18.16 | lpotter | DocScrutinizer: has nothing really to do with higher level gui |
| 21:18.23 | lcuk | GAN900, ffs |
| 21:18.33 | lcuk | theres development been done in many areas post pr1.2 |
| 21:18.35 | GAN900 | lpotter, the rhetoric is not productive. |
| 21:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | not really, esp since I gather it's supported anyway |
| 21:19.02 | lcuk | and you yourself are going to be involved in some further maemo stuff are you not |
| 21:19.08 | lpotter | GAN900: well, seeings you cannot buy those from Nokia anymore |
| 21:19.08 | KaKaRoTo | npt, my implementation just allows you to 'install package files' |
| 21:19.17 | KaKaRoTo | (psgroove and original psjailbreak too) |
| 21:19.26 | lpotter | GAN900: fairly certain that means no support |
| 21:19.42 | KaKaRoTo | npt, once that's done, you unplug the n810, plug in a usb flash key with the manager.pkg in it ,and install that |
| 21:19.47 | GAN900 | lcuk, so when the N9's out, then we can expect the support to end? |
| 21:19.51 | kirma | "2 years" is not an expectation that anyone could predict on any other device either, beforehand... except maybe iphones, which are absolutely planned to turn crap after the two year contracts are to be renewed -> new one is sold |
| 21:19.59 | KaKaRoTo | npt, and yes, hexedit the .ko |
| 21:20.26 | GAN900 | kirma, I think it's reasonable to expect that of manufacturers these days |
| 21:20.33 | npt | KaKaRoTo, I want to say, thanks for making it |
| 21:20.34 | npt | and |
| 21:20.39 | npt | You are a really nice guy. |
| 21:20.45 | npt | It is an honor to meet you. |
| 21:20.53 | npt | may I pm for one question? |
| 21:20.57 | GAN900 | and Nokia certainly knows the people who buy Maemo devices expect it, given the uproar each time they end support early. |
| 21:21.19 | kirma | there are very little reliable guarantees that *any* smartphone gets major manufacturer-approved OS upgrades, even if they give the feeling in the start |
| 21:21.31 | KaKaRoTo | npt, thx, and ask your question, no need for boot-licking... ;p |
| 21:21.32 | GAN900 | But, despite Peter's protestations to the contrary, they don't listen, so management cripples us again. |
| 21:21.41 | npt | I meant it |
| 21:21.48 | npt | it wasn't ass kissing |
| 21:21.50 | lcuk | bangs head on brick wall |
| 21:21.50 | npt | ;) |
| 21:22.03 | npt | anyway, I was going to ask a question about an email address hehe |
| 21:22.04 | npt | : ) |
| 21:22.10 | GAN900 | kirma, true enough, however I believe there's an expectation of it in this segment these days. |
| 21:22.36 | GAN900 | lcuk, now you know what it's been like for me for the past few years! :) |
| 21:22.43 | KaKaRoTo | npt, I don't like receiving emails |
| 21:22.47 | lcuk | GAN900, there are hundreds of thousands of N900s around. |
| 21:22.57 | npt | KaKaRoTo, ok |
| 21:22.59 | npt | np |
| 21:23.03 | npt | thanks for all the help |
| 21:23.07 | npt | it's much appreciated |
| 21:23.35 | GAN900 | lcuk, and Nokia isn't providing a migration path for the vast majority of them to their Next Big Thing. |
| 21:23.50 | kirma | in my opinion, it's unrealistic to expect true OS updates after one year of device on the market - at least from companies that have more than two phone models in their active catalog |
| 21:24.21 | KaKaRoTo | you're welcome |
| 21:24.30 | crashanddie | "Network administrator Oliver Beel lost his job after charging his Segway, a two-wheeled electric vehicle, at work in May 2009. After he connected the vehicle to the firm's power source for 1-1/2 hours, his boss asked him to remove it. Twelve days later Beel found himself without a job." |
| 21:24.33 | lcuk | GAN900, dont you think people are trying |
| 21:24.41 | GAN900 | kirma, I say many of Nokia's competitors are doing just that, so I'll take my time and money elsewhere. |
| 21:24.54 | jacekowski | crashanddie: wtf? |
| 21:25.07 | GAN900 | lcuk, I think a lot of good people are working for a rotten company in need of new management. |
| 21:25.48 | kirma | I doubt if samsung has committed themselves to providing major firmware upgrades to specific handset models two years after their entry to market |
| 21:25.52 | lcuk | GAN900, maemo itself is a pretty rock solid stable os |
| 21:25.56 | kirma | for instance |
| 21:26.01 | lcuk | with lots and lots of apps and support and stuff |
| 21:26.03 | crashanddie | jacekowski: yeah... pretty insane eh? |
| 21:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: fair enough, given it can take up to 50ct per hour to charge such vehicles |
| 21:26.45 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: actually, it was more like 0.018 euros |
| 21:26.48 | crashanddie | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68232X20100903 |
| 21:26.54 | kirma | for instance, android upgrade paths seem very spotty |
| 21:27.07 | GAN900 | lcuk, or not. |
| 21:27.20 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: and he had been employed for 19 years, and other employees are allowed to charge their phones, and use digital photo frames without any trouble |
| 21:27.22 | GAN900 | lcuk, considering I have to reboot every two days to free RAM. |
| 21:27.50 | crashanddie | erhm... "lots and lots of apps" |
| 21:27.52 | lcuk | which bug is this? |
| 21:27.57 | GAN900 | I'm thinking something's missing from the story. |
| 21:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's magnitudes different story, and I really doubt a segway charger is like err 10W |
| 21:28.03 | GAN900 | lcuk, 6xxx something |
| 21:28.07 | GAN900 | RST38h filed it. |
| 21:28.07 | lcuk | the one that RST38h abandoned after we asked for more info? |
| 21:28.18 | lcuk | GAN900, if you have info |
| 21:28.27 | lcuk | then please get it onto the bug report and show it me |
| 21:28.33 | lcuk | and i will take it on monday morning |
| 21:28.46 | GAN900 | lcuk, we can fix it in the next release after PR1.3 that isn't coming? :) |
| 21:28.56 | lcuk | ffs |
| 21:29.19 | lcuk | open your eyes GAN900, stuff has been done post pr1.2, stuff continues to be done |
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| 21:29.30 | lcuk | it wouldnt be done for no reason |
| 21:29.51 | lcuk | crashanddie, yes, and you can add to that by releasing yours :P |
| 21:30.04 | lcuk | llibliqbase changelog from last night :P |
| 21:30.05 | lcuk | libliqbase (0.3.61) unstable; urgency=low |
| 21:30.05 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.05 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.05 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.05 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.07 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.11 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.13 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.15 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.17 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.19 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.21 | lcuk | new release coming soon |
| 21:30.39 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 21:30.40 | infobot | ~pong |
| 21:30.44 | lcuk | soryr :$ |
| 21:30.50 | nokiae50 | KaKaRoTo: hi, great work on PSFreedom |
| 21:31.06 | kerio | KaKaRoTo: so does it work? |
| 21:31.08 | kerio | did you try it? |
| 21:31.23 | crashanddie | kerio: well, it's been confirmed multiple times |
| 21:31.27 | kerio | awesome |
| 21:31.32 | satmd | mhm |
| 21:31.32 | kerio | will you get banned from the psn? |
| 21:31.39 | MohammadAG | probably |
| 21:31.47 | kerio | and you also have to buy a blu-ray burner |
| 21:31.47 | MohammadAG | in the near future |
| 21:31.48 | kerio | hahaha |
| 21:31.50 | lcuk | crashanddie, add your app to the list and make it 59~~ + 1 |
| 21:31.52 | satmd | liq* ... what's that stuff about? I never gave it a try |
| 21:31.55 | nokiae50 | I wanted some help porting it on Archos 5 IMT, it supports musb |
| 21:32.01 | MohammadAG | kerio, err no |
| 21:32.08 | lcuk | satmd, its nothing just yet :P |
| 21:32.09 | MohammadAG | BD checks are done 2-3 times afaik |
| 21:32.18 | crashanddie | lcuk: the problem is that there might be a bunch of apps, but the development process is wrong |
| 21:32.20 | MohammadAG | only way to pirate games is on a stick |
| 21:32.23 | lcuk | it was more directed at crashanddie who is sitting on a great idea for an app |
| 21:32.37 | lcuk | yes crashanddie and you have 1 app |
| 21:32.39 | crashanddie | lcuk: people in maemo don't develop to have a popular app |
| 21:32.40 | kerio | MohammadAG: ooh |
| 21:32.41 | kerio | cool |
| 21:32.41 | satmd | :) |
| 21:32.47 | jacekowski | crashanddie: phone is nothing compared to amount of electricity segway can suck |
| 21:32.49 | kerio | (and by stick you mean bigass hd, right?) |
| 21:33.00 | crashanddie | jacekowski: he charged it once |
| 21:33.05 | MohammadAG | well, only fat32 is supported, go figure |
| 21:33.11 | kerio | wait, what :| |
| 21:33.23 | zr0 | ok, this probably gets asked a lot, but is there a maemo mutt client? |
| 21:33.25 | kerio | yay for games in 20 parts |
| 21:33.28 | nokiae50 | and the internal HDD also supported |
| 21:33.28 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I highly doubt a segway uses more in 1 1/2 hours than all the phones that have the charger plugged in all year |
| 21:33.38 | MohammadAG | kerio, you can't split games |
| 21:33.49 | jacekowski | crashanddie: yeah, i think it's little bit drastic, but i think it's because they were trying to find a reason to get rid of him or article skips some important parts |
| 21:33.50 | nokiae50 | the internal HDD is not FAT |
| 21:33.56 | crashanddie | lcuk: people develop because they have an itch, they can't be arsed to finish the apps properly, and basically, you end up with a bunch of half-assed shit apps |
| 21:34.13 | crashanddie | lcuk: sure, the count is enormous (well, supposedly), but half the crap is either redundant, or just that, "crap" |
| 21:34.19 | MohammadAG | nokiae50, indeed, neither is it an FS we know |
| 21:34.28 | crashanddie | lcuk: at least "crap" on iOS/Android looks good. |
| 21:34.42 | nokiae50 | FS? |
| 21:34.51 | MohammadAG | filesystem |
| 21:34.55 | npt | can someone help me with my dang bluetooth keyboard on my n800? |
| 21:34.56 | nokiae50 | :) |
| 21:34.56 | lcuk | crashanddie, then put the effort in with yours. show us how global search works |
| 21:35.01 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, crap on maemo is good |
| 21:35.03 | npt | I've forgotten how to enable it... |
| 21:35.09 | crashanddie | I mean, ffs, we still have a phone that doesn't look much better than the n800. That's what, nearly 4 years ago now. |
| 21:35.12 | npt | as I hadn't used my n800 in a bit |
| 21:35.13 | GAN900 | Apple knows how to make their app devs make things look decent. |
| 21:35.48 | crashanddie | how come that we still have crappy scrolling, how come that we still don't have a properly defined development environment? |
| 21:36.07 | kerio | because nobody is a control freak |
| 21:36.13 | crashanddie | bollocks |
| 21:36.18 | crashanddie | openness != performance |
| 21:36.31 | crashanddie | and the parts that should control the performance AREN'T FUCKING OPEN |
| 21:36.50 | jacekowski | kernel and OC is open |
| 21:36.53 | lcuk | open or closed wouldnt matter |
| 21:37.00 | lcuk | its the pipeline length that would effect performance |
| 21:37.02 | crashanddie | Android isn't closed, hell, their UI blows Maemo out of the water |
| 21:37.04 | kerio | jacekowski: oh shush |
| 21:37.05 | kerio | :P |
| 21:37.42 | lcuk | crashanddie, you know performance can exist, but with x11 and however many layers inside both gtk and qt its hard |
| 21:37.47 | jacekowski | we should have VS plugin for maemo development |
| 21:37.49 | lcuk | remove the layers |
| 21:37.53 | lcuk | and improve perf |
| 21:37.54 | crashanddie | lcuk: I know that |
| 21:38.02 | lcuk | android and iphone both sidestep x11ness |
| 21:38.04 | crashanddie | lcuk: liqbase and quickflickr demonstrate that nicely |
| 21:38.08 | lcuk | liqbase does also |
| 21:38.10 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:38.16 | lcuk | but all 3 lose one thing |
| 21:38.19 | crashanddie | but it shouldn't have to |
| 21:38.22 | lcuk | backwards compatability |
| 21:38.30 | jacekowski | not fully |
| 21:38.31 | crashanddie | then sod it |
| 21:38.37 | lcuk | yes, fully jacekowski |
| 21:38.40 | jacekowski | you can replace xproto libs backend |
| 21:38.59 | jacekowski | sort of wineish like way |
| 21:39.13 | lcuk | do it then |
| 21:39.20 | crashanddie | jacekowski: oh yeah, I can smell performance right there :P |
| 21:39.28 | lcuk | and lets have gtk compatabile inside android |
| 21:39.38 | lcuk | or qt |
| 21:39.50 | Corsac | and switch from ipk to deb |
| 21:39.57 | jacekowski | well, sort of like qt |
| 21:40.14 | jacekowski | same api for app but different drawing backends |
| 21:40.21 | jacekowski | cocoa,win32,x11 |
| 21:40.25 | lcuk | this backwards compatability thing is something i have looked at extensively this year |
| 21:40.46 | jacekowski | just replacing library itself could do the job |
| 21:41.06 | jacekowski | but somebody would have to make qt draw stuff without x11 on linux |
| 21:41.18 | MNZ | don't go blaming x11 now |
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| 21:41.27 | jacekowski | x11 is slowish by design |
| 21:41.33 | jacekowski | look how 3d is done |
| 21:41.35 | lcuk | MNZ, i am not! |
| 21:41.41 | MohammadAG | tbh |
| 21:41.48 | MohammadAG | documentation on maemo sucks |
| 21:41.53 | jacekowski | 3d in fact doesn't go trough x server |
| 21:41.56 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-take-screenshot <-- doesn't work on qt |
| 21:41.57 | MNZ | x11 is for the most part rock solid, time-tested technology |
| 21:41.59 | lcuk | x11 isnt the problem i dont think |
| 21:42.07 | jacekowski | 3d is passed via DRM straight to hardware |
| 21:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | what makes you believe implementing all the x11 functions in e.g. Qt would result in a solution performing any better than the original? |
| 21:42.14 | crashanddie | DRM? |
| 21:42.16 | crashanddie | DMA? |
| 21:42.18 | MNZ | and I was just going to say that jacekowski |
| 21:42.18 | lcuk | MNZ, same as gtk isnt the problem |
| 21:42.25 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:42.25 | lcuk | and same as powervr/compositing isnt the problem |
| 21:42.26 | jacekowski | DRM |
| 21:42.29 | lcuk | its all 3 combined |
| 21:42.32 | jacekowski | Direct Rendering Manager |
| 21:42.38 | crashanddie | jacekowski: ah, ok |
| 21:42.50 | jacekowski | you have to love english acronyms |
| 21:42.51 | MNZ | personally I don't trust the stuff above X11 on the stack |
| 21:43.00 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, nobody said that |
| 21:43.14 | MNZ | but X11 and mesa (GL for the desktop) are rock solid |
| 21:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: jacekowski implied it |
| 21:43.32 | lcuk | MNZ, they are also bloated |
| 21:43.34 | jacekowski | it won't be drasticaly faster |
| 21:44.24 | MNZ | lcuk, X11 has had a MAJOR rework recently (few years) and it has become very modular. I really don't think it's the problem |
| 21:44.42 | MNZ | very modular and a lot of old cruft was removed |
| 21:44.43 | crashanddie | very modular == very abstract |
| 21:44.54 | kirma | X11, Xlib or any of that is unlikely to be the problem regarding unresponsiveness in the sense of CPU load, although they may be tad inefficient regarding use of memory, if they're not used in a wise way |
| 21:44.58 | crashanddie | very abstract == overhead |
| 21:45.18 | lcuk | mnz, there is a huge asskicking for x11 being discussed |
| 21:45.19 | Corsac | xcb is supposed to address latency issues, isn't it? |
| 21:45.26 | lcuk | and i cant remember its codename |
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| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | we had that X11 performance vs fb plus new implementation of some window manager in a generic way, we had that several times on OM. It's always the same, either you use fb, or you use x11, but there's no way to have the speed of fb with the versatility of x11 |
| 21:45.47 | lcuk | but a supreme light variation with most of the cruft removed |
| 21:46.07 | Corsac | lcuk: plymouth? |
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| 21:46.14 | lcuk | doesnt sound right |
| 21:46.16 | kirma | with modern OpenGL, one can basically bypass most of the eighties-style functionality on it and go almost straight to the hardware acceleration |
| 21:46.19 | lcuk | will know it when i see it |
| 21:46.31 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, most things on Maemo are half-assed. |
| 21:46.50 | GAN900 | Attributable to both Nokia's culture and lack of dedication from the company. |
| 21:47.02 | MNZ | lcuk, you are probably talking about that new server... something that starts with W.... |
| 21:47.09 | MNZ | it's not actually an X11 rework |
| 21:47.13 | lcuk | weldon ot something |
| 21:47.40 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:47.42 | lcuk | tho |
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| 21:48.48 | kirma | with Qt, Nokia *could* choose to skip Xlib/X server altogether, but only when everything is actually running on top of the Qt components |
| 21:49.18 | lcuk | wayland! |
| 21:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | kirma: I'd not buy that |
| 21:49.30 | jacekowski | i do |
| 21:49.34 | MNZ | lcuk, yes that's the one |
| 21:49.38 | Corsac | lcuk: wayland |
| 21:49.41 | Corsac | damn |
| 21:49.44 | Corsac | hides |
| 21:49.48 | lcuk | lol :D |
| 21:49.58 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you would remove bloat and 30 years old design of Xserver |
| 21:50.55 | jacekowski | not to mention that xserver is a security risk |
| 21:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | pfft |
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| 21:51.49 | kirma | I still think Xorg server and Xlib, especially with DRM extensions and such, is particularly small portion of the complexity, or overhead, of a typical system. qt, gtk and whatever have considerable amount of untrivial complexity inside them, and not really tuned as long as the X server |
| 21:52.11 | MNZ | I agree with kirma |
| 21:52.36 | jacekowski | thing is that you have to remove as much overhead as you can from everything |
| 21:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 21:52.52 | MNZ | the 30 year old design is 30 year olds for a reason really :/ it's been improved a lot since then of course as well, besides the X server manages a whole lot more than just display |
| 21:52.59 | Corsac | except that the part talking to hardware is X |
| 21:53.00 | jacekowski | MNZ: think symbian |
| 21:53.01 | kirma | one has also to remember that original X servers ran on hardware that had small fraction of CPU power in comparison to any phone these days |
| 21:53.02 | Corsac | not the toolkits |
| 21:53.10 | MNZ | and once you actually get a surface/rendering context, X gets out of the way mostly |
| 21:53.24 | jacekowski | MNZ: that's 30 years old design as well |
| 21:53.25 | lcuk | kirma, it does get a kick in the teeth based on the c/s principles and mechanisms for copying |
| 21:53.44 | kirma | recalls his SGI system that had 25 MHz R3000 as CPU, and big graphics subsystem bolted on the side |
| 21:54.02 | lcuk | which on a handheld system like maemo, the remoting capabilities being rarely touched but having to be used with every operation |
| 21:54.11 | lcuk | adds to the heavy overhead gtk and qt abuse it for |
| 21:54.31 | jacekowski | X on n900 uses 20-30% of cpu sometimes |
| 21:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so why not discard unix concept all together? it's even older than X |
| 21:54.34 | jacekowski | when i looked in htop |
| 21:54.49 | lcuk | like i said, individually they are not a problem, but combined they add up to slug |
| 21:55.05 | lcuk | but I know good people have worked damned hard this year to minimise as much of that as possible |
| 21:55.17 | ml-mobile | we should go to a modern architecture, like WinNT ;) |
| 21:55.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: kinda no alternatives |
| 21:55.23 | lcuk | with extreme optimisations and profiling and looking at just how we can improve things |
| 21:55.24 | kerio | the remoting is not used because it doesn't easily work :( |
| 21:55.34 | kirma | most of the heavy graphics stuff has gone through SHM (at worst!) on all meaningful apps for decades |
| 21:55.34 | kerio | ssh -X doesn't work :( |
| 21:55.35 | lcuk | its not required here |
| 21:55.36 | jacekowski | winnt is old as well |
| 21:55.37 | crashanddie | < lcuk> like i said, individually they are not a problem, but combined they add up to slug <-- sounds like you were talking with GAN900 and myself about marines in starcraft 2 |
| 21:55.39 | kirma | on local applications |
| 21:55.45 | MNZ | jacekowski, I have been told and read in several places that the X cpu usage is not actually entirely X's cpu usage. Other programs contribute to it |
| 21:56.01 | jacekowski | MNZ: X cpu usage is X cpu usage |
| 21:56.06 | lcuk | MNZ, X is idle unless something is talking to it :P |
| 21:56.15 | lcuk | so yes you are right |
| 21:56.16 | jacekowski | MNZ: even if caused by other program requesting something from X |
| 21:56.29 | kerio | what are those programs asking? |
| 21:56.36 | jacekowski | to display shit for them |
| 21:56.41 | lcuk | rendering ops most likely |
| 21:56.52 | lcuk | no display shit has to go back through |
| 21:56.56 | lcuk | be made into a texture |
| 21:56.59 | lcuk | sent onto the powervr |
| 21:57.08 | lcuk | pure 2d direct to lcd x11 rendering is fast |
| 21:57.20 | kerio | i want to know why ssh -X doesn't work |
| 21:57.27 | jacekowski | no tcp |
| 21:57.27 | lcuk | thats why as much as possible the compositor is turned off |
| 21:57.38 | kerio | jacekowski: how do i enable it? |
| 21:57.40 | kerio | i tried xauth |
| 21:57.41 | jacekowski | lcuk: how is that part of displaying working |
| 21:57.48 | jacekowski | kerio: it's not compiled in |
| 21:57.51 | lcuk | which |
| 21:57.53 | kerio | :( |
| 21:57.56 | jacekowski | lcuk: 2d |
| 21:57.58 | kerio | then why do we have networking |
| 21:58.02 | jacekowski | lcuk: hardware side of it |
| 21:58.15 | kirma | X CPU usage is X CPU usage, which might though consist of waiting for the graphics hardware to accomplish something... X memory usage can be result of stupid X client applications, though |
| 21:58.15 | jacekowski | lcuk: it still has to go to powervr? |
| 21:58.22 | lcuk | jacekowski, the omapfb graphic surface doesnt care how it gets filled |
| 21:58.27 | lcuk | so fill it with pretty graphics |
| 21:58.33 | lcuk | whether they be direct from x11 cpu operaitons |
| 21:58.38 | lcuk | or from the powervr output |
| 21:58.48 | jacekowski | hmm, that way |
| 21:59.05 | lcuk | hell, you could write a blitter using the dsp |
| 21:59.13 | MNZ | Wayland would be quite perfect for a mobile device |
| 21:59.23 | MNZ | "Wayland is a nano display server, relying on drm modesetting, gem batchbuffer submission and hw initialization generally in the kernel. Wayland puts the compositing manager and display server in the same process. Window management is largely pushed to the clients, they draw their own decorations and move and resize themselves, typically implemented in a toolkit library." |
| 21:59.40 | lcuk | MNZ, i believe its discussions like this that evolved into wayland |
| 21:59.54 | jacekowski | MNZ: it will probably require kernel mode switching |
| 21:59.59 | kirma | sane X11 programs use SHM or similar to share pixmaps with the server, and communicate over domain sockets in bunches of X11 commands that are sent in bundles only when results are needed to be displayed |
| 22:00.02 | MNZ | jacekowski, most probably |
| 22:00.40 | lcuk | kirma, thats harder to setup generically than you think |
| 22:00.51 | kirma | overhead shouldn't be worse than any other method that applies something that separates different clients from access to the actual hardware/framebuffer |
| 22:01.03 | kerio | lcuk: so write a toolkit :D |
| 22:01.21 | lcuk | as soon as you want to talk with the server for complex stuff that overwhelmes it the benfit is lost |
| 22:01.22 | MNZ | lcuk, actually, back when I used to idle on #radeon/#drm/#dri-devel I have seen wayland take a bunch of bashing |
| 22:01.31 | lcuk | it will do :P |
| 22:01.34 | lcuk | kerio, i did |
| 22:01.48 | lcuk | and it performs like an iphone |
| 22:02.02 | jacekowski | slow? |
| 22:02.13 | lcuk | i would love to actually do comparisons on direct hardware to hardware tbh |
| 22:02.17 | lcuk | jacekowski, piss off |
| 22:02.53 | jacekowski | but hmm, thinking about it now |
| 22:03.01 | lcuk | jacekowski, for reference of what I mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84 |
| 22:03.02 | jacekowski | games and stuff on iphone |
| 22:03.18 | jacekowski | are barely working on 128M of ram |
| 22:03.54 | jacekowski | and n-gage had 1/4th of that |
| 22:03.59 | kirma | responsiveness of applications certainly depends on other things than "X server overhead" alone |
| 22:04.01 | jacekowski | and i could run 2-3 games at the same time |
| 22:04.17 | jacekowski | kerio: and app and ui design |
| 22:04.21 | kirma | having a platform without mentionable multitasking helps keeping interactive response jitter down |
| 22:04.39 | jacekowski | if you split ui and processing into separate thread |
| 22:04.46 | jacekowski | with non blocking communication between them |
| 22:05.07 | jacekowski | you can have responsible ui |
| 22:05.38 | jacekowski | + better sheduler that prioritises interactive threads/applications |
| 22:05.49 | jacekowski | something like RSDL |
| 22:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 22:06.09 | jacekowski | where you can have loadavg around 100 and apps will still be responsive |
| 22:08.33 | lcuk | kirma, do you generally find maemo apps unresponsive? |
| 22:08.39 | lcuk | certainly doesnt |
| 22:08.51 | jacekowski | because you are only using liqbase |
| 22:09.35 | lcuk | has conversations and xchat and browser and vnc open atm on n900 |
| 22:09.38 | lcuk | no jacekowski |
| 22:10.15 | lcuk | i have and use many native apps |
| 22:10.16 | kirma | my suspicions of choppy UI experience on small devices usually point towards scheduling, paging and specific hard-to-recognize inefficiencies in specific code paths crossing several abstraction layers |
| 22:10.24 | lcuk | and i enjoy when an mms comes in etc |
| 22:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | there's *definitely* other problems when it comes to sluggishness on N900, than exactly x11 |
| 22:10.51 | jacekowski | lcuk: nokia maps? |
| 22:11.01 | MNZ | Just look at GTK :/ |
| 22:11.09 | kirma | lcuk: the magic "turns sluggish after couple days" issue certainly annoys me |
| 22:11.13 | kirma | but not really otherwise |
| 22:11.15 | lcuk | jacekowski, now that I mostly use a liq* app for but its not the same sort of app |
| 22:11.18 | GAN900 | I love that apt-get update has scheduled itself to run during my lunch every day. |
| 22:11.23 | lcuk | i simply rely on taking photos of local maps |
| 22:11.28 | lcuk | or screenshots of websites |
| 22:11.59 | lcuk | kirma, i havent got it personally |
| 22:12.12 | lcuk | uptime 4 days, 12:48 |
| 22:12.36 | lcuk | and if you CAN reproduce it |
| 22:12.41 | lcuk | help in the bug with good info |
| 22:12.43 | kirma | I'm not certain if the call recorder has something to do with it in my case specifically |
| 22:12.55 | kirma | or some other of those installed 150+ applications... |
| 22:13.03 | lcuk | yeah :) |
| 22:13.16 | lcuk | its not like it happens to everyone |
| 22:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# uptime |
| 22:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | no sluggishness |
| 22:14.39 | jacekowski | fake load |
| 22:14.44 | jacekowski | or OC |
| 22:14.49 | lcuk | load was at 8 last night DocScrutinizer |
| 22:14.53 | lcuk | you said so |
| 22:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's been another device |
| 22:15.08 | kirma | it feels like either some stupid list in window manager/compositor is growing absurdly list and being traversed all the time (unlikely), some critical applications' memory has gotten badly fragmented and results virtual memory pressure showing up as increased paging, or even that something might be happening in the kernel memory management |
| 22:15.31 | lcuk | kirma, so follow your nose :) |
| 22:15.44 | lcuk | the bitch is that it takes 2 days to retry |
| 22:16.04 | MNZ | with all this negativity and complaints about sluggishness and bad apps and what not, I'd still take an N900 over an iPhone anyday. Is it only me? |
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| 22:16.07 | kirma | I don't really have so much free time to tinker, especially after debugging stuff at work 8+ hours a day ;) |
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| 22:16.23 | lcuk | MNZ, if it were only you then we wouldnt care enough to shout |
| 22:16.25 | jacekowski | lcuk: there is that qemu image of meego that will probably do the same thing |
| 22:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: nope, me too |
| 22:16.45 | kirma | I certainly like my N900, but there are some annoyances like this. |
| 22:16.48 | lcuk | MNZ, and everyone is trying |
| 22:16.52 | lcuk | adores his n900 |
| 22:17.00 | kirma | which I can't call non-issues in every level |
| 22:17.11 | lcuk | kirma, try reflashing perhaps and rebuild the apps you use |
| 22:17.15 | lcuk | and leave the ones you dont |
| 22:17.28 | lcuk | i know in linux thats not the done thing |
| 22:17.42 | lcuk | but a great many computer problems magically vanish when you reformat :P |
| 22:18.42 | kirma | well, reboot is sufficiently good solution as it doesn't take more than a minute to get things back on sensible track after it |
| 22:18.44 | MNZ | actually, a useful way to debug this issue would be if someone is proficient with dumping and exploring RAM. Like in computer forensics |
| 22:19.03 | lcuk | MNZ, problem is: |
| 22:19.09 | kirma | unlike on desktop machines, where recovery may take literally an hour of work or more |
| 22:19.22 | lcuk | venn diargam: people experiencing problem, People able to do forensics |
| 22:19.34 | MNZ | hahaha I see where you are going |
| 22:19.55 | lcuk | diagram even :P |
| 22:20.05 | MNZ | but that's not what I meant. If there's a simple way to dump RAM and upload it so that those who can do the hackery can see it |
| 22:20.27 | MNZ | and this being linux..... |
| 22:20.34 | MNZ | wasn't there a mem device? |
| 22:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: I thought there is |
| 22:20.40 | lcuk | sure, DocScrutinizer - can we just dump all ram, and would it be helpful do you think |
| 22:20.47 | lcuk | doh crashdumps do? |
| 22:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/kmem? something along that line? |
| 22:21.22 | kirma | you would rather need a consistent dump of the memory (both userland and kernel) *and* all the files open by the processes, and the paging backing store |
| 22:21.23 | MNZ | kmem would be kernel mem I guess |
| 22:21.23 | jacekowski | i think i tried something like that |
| 22:21.26 | jacekowski | and it fails |
| 22:21.35 | jacekowski | because of memory protection by trustzone |
| 22:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | or simply suspend to disk, then safe away the swap ? |
| 22:21.40 | nox- | there also is /proc/<pid>/maps for the virtual addresses |
| 22:21.49 | MNZ | DocScrutinizer, actually, that's a good idea! |
| 22:21.58 | nox- | (unless that doesnt exist on n900) |
| 22:22.00 | lcuk | right |
| 22:22.06 | lcuk | so what good would it do |
| 22:22.08 | lcuk | seriously |
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| 22:22.15 | lcuk | "ooho 1s and 0s |
| 22:22.27 | lcuk | is it actually worth the hassle |
| 22:22.36 | lcuk | when as kirma just said "meh i just reboot" |
| 22:22.52 | lcuk | errr officially, he said: |
| 22:22.57 | lcuk | "<kirma> well, reboot is sufficiently good solution as it doesn't take more than a minute to get things back on sensible track after it" |
| 22:23.07 | MNZ | well, I'm not proficient with this kind of thing, but I was reading an article on computer forensics a while back and you can apparently do a whole load of stuff with a memory image |
| 22:23.29 | lcuk | gill grissom maybe |
| 22:23.29 | jacekowski | not easily |
| 22:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | depends on the actual amount of hassle it means to anybody capable to deal with such kind of mega-dump crawling |
| 22:23.36 | MNZ | like extract and examine process memory |
| 22:23.46 | jacekowski | you would have to get maps first |
| 22:23.56 | jacekowski | and memory is fragmented |
| 22:23.58 | lcuk | this discussion by the way |
| 22:24.11 | kirma | suspend-to-somewhere + open files would certainly give some sort of idea what's wrong, but suspend-to-swap and such tend to be surprisingly hard :I |
| 22:24.12 | lcuk | is the reason the bug is on NEED_INFO or something |
| 22:24.17 | lcuk | i am vanishing |
| 22:24.21 | lcuk | i have stuff to do |
| 22:24.22 | lcuk | \o |
| 22:24.30 | kirma | I mean, such a dump would be useful to *someone* |
| 22:24.35 | MNZ | o/ |
| 22:24.37 | jacekowski | not really |
| 22:24.46 | jacekowski | dumps of individual processes would be better |
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| 22:25.01 | jacekowski | but still not very usefull |
| 22:25.09 | jacekowski | static analisys take lot of time |
| 22:25.16 | kirma | well, they're better if you actually know the individual processes are the problem |
| 22:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | hah, fun. N810 xchat frequently reregistering :-S |
| 22:25.39 | jacekowski | you would need kdbg attached |
| 22:25.47 | jacekowski | and just trace stuff |
| 22:25.54 | jacekowski | over serial console |
| 22:25.56 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Congrats! |
| 22:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ kdbg nonexistent for arm |
| 22:26.02 | SpeedEvil | (usb-...) |
| 22:26.19 | jacekowski | well, there is serial trace interface |
| 22:26.23 | jacekowski | or whatever is it called |
| 22:27.11 | ShadowJK | 's n810's xchat survives change of public ip even |
| 22:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | err is there? |
| 22:27.55 | lolloo | i have xchat on my nokia n900 |
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| 22:28.08 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, oh? maybe try using qemu's builtin gdbstub? |
| 22:28.09 | lolloo | now am chatting with it |
| 22:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: don't you mean serial console? |
| 22:28.23 | ShadowJK | has xchat on n810, n900 and desktop :) |
| 22:28.43 | jacekowski | i think it's called serial trace interface on arm |
| 22:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 22:29.01 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, i think ive used that one on the zaurus emulation once... |
| 22:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | that sounds like JTAG then |
| 22:29.10 | nox- | the gdbstub |
| 22:29.33 | nox- | what i mean is qemu-system-arm -M foo -s ... |
| 22:29.42 | nox- | then in gdb: target remote 127.1:1234 |
| 22:29.59 | kirma | as I said, enough to debug at work, not to really get too interested in debugging my *phone* |
| 22:30.16 | kirma | maybe other stuff at home, but not particularly interested in debugging the only phone I use :) |
| 22:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'd love to have a decent way to debug musb-core |
| 22:30.29 | nox- | no, i meant debug a qemu guest |
| 22:31.13 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, idunno if the n900 qemu emulates usb, but if it does... |
| 22:31.13 | jacekowski | but that depends on qemu emulation that's not perfect |
| 22:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm quite sure qemu won't help with that |
| 22:31.39 | lolloo | guys how do iget flash for firefox? |
| 22:31.41 | nox- | jacekowski, true |
| 22:31.44 | lolloo | in my maemo |
| 22:31.55 | merlin1991 | afaik impossible |
| 22:32.05 | nox- | oh |
| 22:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: it had to emulate mentorgraphics musb-core hardware. I doubt anything does on this planet |
| 22:32.26 | nox- | ok :) |
| 22:33.39 | lolloo | how do i get flash for my friefox in my nokai N900? |
| 22:33.49 | lolloo | i want to play youtube content |
| 22:33.56 | lolloo | please |
| 22:33.58 | lcuk | then just go onto youtube? |
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| 22:34.20 | lcuk | which part of youtube *doesn't* work? |
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| 22:35.19 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I would be surrprised if there wasn't a musb emulator at mentor graphics in vhdl forrm for testing. Maybe on a fpga |
| 22:35.33 | SpeedEvil | flash in firefox doesn't work |
| 22:35.50 | merlin1991 | but it does in microb, just use that one |
| 22:35.54 | lcuk | ahh ofc, i missed that SpeedEvil |
| 22:37.16 | timeless_mbp | flash is disabled in firefox because the performance sucks |
| 22:37.30 | nox- | hah |
| 22:37.41 | timeless_mbp | can't remember if it's possible to enable |
| 22:37.55 | nox- | as if that was news with flash :) |
| 22:38.03 | ShadowJK | vaguely remembers some discussion about the performance issues on meego-devel iirc |
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| 22:38.30 | nox- | flash is just `optimized for windows' |
| 22:38.49 | ShadowJK | iirc it basically boiled down to architecture causing shitloads of extra memcpy() |
| 22:39.24 | ShadowJK | arch of fennec/blah/plugininterface/etc or something |
| 22:39.35 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it can be enabled |
| 22:39.37 | MohammadAG | idk hwo |
| 22:39.39 | MohammadAG | how* |
| 22:39.47 | nox- | about:config ? |
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| 22:40.48 | ShadowJK | flash is so handicapped already as-is, I'd imagine the performance would be unusable if it doesn't have a straight path to the screen :/ |
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| 22:45.03 | zchydem | hi any debian packaging gurus here? |
| 22:46.16 | SpeedEvil | I sort-of-wonder if there is a way to do a flash app. |
| 22:46.19 | zchydem | I have a problem that I made a deb package of my app, but if is start app from the app launcher it fails to start. If I run it as a "root" from xterm it works so the problem is running it as a "user" |
| 22:46.37 | zchydem | so is this somekind of permission problem? |
| 22:46.39 | SpeedEvil | I mean - somerthing that basically runs flash in such a mode where it's fullscreen |
| 22:46.48 | SpeedEvil | and direct to the screen |
| 22:47.24 | lcuk | zchydem, it might not be user/root issue |
| 22:47.41 | lcuk | its more likely potentially to be a problem in your .desktop |
| 22:48.31 | Jartza | or in control-file |
| 22:48.44 | zchydem | lcuk: ok. What should I look from there? |
| 22:49.07 | lcuk | zchydem, which package is it? and is it in -devel for us to install and look ourselves? (what is it by the way |
| 22:49.34 | zchydem | lcuk: it's not yet in devel.. It's QuickFlickr a QML/C++ based flickr client for n900 |
| 22:49.56 | zchydem | I'm working on packaging now, but I want to test it first on my own device |
| 22:50.01 | lcuk | pastebin your .desktop file |
| 22:50.03 | lcuk | sure |
| 22:50.08 | zchydem | sec |
| 22:50.10 | lcuk | and it looks supertight by the way |
| 22:50.35 | lcuk | much kudos from many folks to you for just the hint of this |
| 22:51.06 | lcuk | http://zchydem.enume.net/2010/08/15/quickflickr-on-n900/ |
| 22:51.12 | lcuk | for those that havent seen the video |
| 22:51.53 | zchydem | lcuk: thanks for promoting:) |
| 22:51.57 | zchydem | lcuk: http://pastebin.ca/1933061 |
| 22:53.13 | zchydem | a newer video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMI0b9-ChTs with more features |
| 22:53.16 | lcuk | btw, "su user" changes you to user |
| 22:53.23 | Jartza | zchydem: check also control -file, maybe wrong architecture (armel), wrong section (must be user/<something>) ? |
| 22:53.25 | lcuk | for you to test also |
| 22:53.59 | zchydem | lcuk: I tested to run it as user already and it works then.. |
| 22:54.10 | zchydem | Jartza: I'll check that too.. |
| 22:54.26 | zchydem | sucks when it comes to debian packaging... |
| 22:55.29 | zchydem | Jartza: section is user/other and the Architecture is "any" |
| 22:55.33 | lcuk | ok zchydem |
| 22:55.34 | zchydem | I guess the any could be armel |
| 22:55.44 | lcuk | do you have to start in a specific folder? |
| 22:55.49 | lcuk | or doesnt your app care |
| 22:56.10 | lcuk | ie is it opening in the wrong folder, finding nothing and bailing |
| 22:56.34 | lcuk | and is there a chance you can write to a log file on startup to confirm whether or not its being run |
| 22:56.34 | Jartza | zchydem: change architecture to armel |
| 22:56.51 | zchydem | Jartza: just did. Building a new package atm... |
| 22:57.15 | lcuk | if the files are getting to the right location |
| 22:57.25 | lcuk | its not those things (tho fixing them is the right thing to do) |
| 22:57.39 | lcuk | by saying that an icon exists to be clicked on |
| 22:57.45 | lcuk | i would assume that to be the case |
| 22:59.39 | Jartza | oh yeah, and "of course" in maemo you have to install the desktop-file to non-debian-folder, /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 22:59.44 | Jartza | :) |
| 23:00.15 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:00.25 | lcuk | leads to duplications if you want a cross platform app |
| 23:00.37 | lcuk | but thats not too much of an issue |
| 23:01.25 | zchydem | hmm thanks guys all the help.. I'm gonna test if this next package works and if not, I'll cont. tomorrow |
| 23:01.30 | lcuk | zchydem, does your application register with osso and have a service file? i notice its missing from the startup |
| 23:01.32 | lcuk | ok |
| 23:01.40 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/blob/master/base_fs/usr/share/applications/hildon/liqcalc.desktop |
| 23:01.51 | lcuk | is the .desktops i use by the way |
| 23:02.09 | lcuk | you could try similar and put some echos into a script |
| 23:02.13 | zchydem | ok thanks. I'll check it out |
| 23:02.19 | lcuk | to confirm things are being run, then call your main app |
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| 23:04.57 | Jartza | zchydem: oh... user/other is not in the list of allowed ones... |
| 23:05.40 | Jartza | zchydem: check http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Sections |
| 23:06.00 | Jartza | oh sorry |
| 23:06.08 | zchydem | ok |
| 23:06.23 | Jartza | looks like "other" is the default, if it begins with user/... so should work |
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| 23:07.15 | Jartza | If the package's section starts "user/", but is not any of the above, the Application Manager forces them into an "Other" section. |
| 23:07.30 | Jartza | didn't remember that :) |
| 23:07.44 | lcuk | Jartza, what does it say about apps in the "waesome/" category? |
| 23:07.50 | lcuk | awesome even |
| 23:07.51 | lcuk | ffs |
| 23:08.18 | Jartza | nothing :) |
| 23:10.00 | GAN900 | Gotta love gangsters who think they're some city until some 70-year-old woman runs after them with a cellphone. |
| 23:10.28 | lcuk | heh GAN900 yeah "dont take my photo" |
| 23:10.42 | lcuk | or were you meaning as a weapon ;) |
| 23:11.12 | zr0 | isn't installing rootsh a huge security hole or am i missing something? |
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| 23:18.14 | zr0 | is there a way to install a deb package without having to install rootsh? |
| 23:18.27 | ml-mobile | no |
| 23:18.38 | lcuk | yes |
| 23:18.42 | lcuk | use HAM |
| 23:18.53 | lcuk | after publishing the deb to maemo.org :) |
| 23:18.59 | ml-mobile | ha |
| 23:19.01 | lcuk | so everyone can benefit |
| 23:20.04 | MohammadAG | unless it's in a non user/ section, then you need to install rootsh |
| 23:20.33 | Jartza | umm? |
| 23:20.46 | lcuk | if its non user app why is it needed by regular user :P |
| 23:20.50 | Jartza | just copy the .deb to your phone and start install from file manager |
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| 23:28.12 | zr0 | Jartza: thank you ! |
| 23:28.34 | Jartza | np |
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| 23:41.59 | zr0 | bummer, it looks like the app manager can't install offlineimap :/ |
| 23:50.25 | MohammadAG | KaKaRoTo, how many buttons should the app have? |
| 23:50.48 | MohammadAG | one for enable, one for disable, were you adding two more things? |
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| 23:51.40 | lcuk | MohammadAG, for now just hack with 2, you can add more after easily |
| 23:51.52 | MohammadAG | lcuk, not if you're using a custom design |
| 23:52.59 | lcuk | wow has it got so complex that you cannot just add/remove buttons from a layout with ease? |
| 23:53.28 | lcuk | the app functionality is important, just do it with 2 without worrying about design? |
| 23:53.34 | lcuk | then stick a coat of paint on it |
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| 23:59.09 | zr0 | when i try to install offlineimap locally i get "unable to install, incompatible application package" from the app manager |
