| 00:00.06 | FIQ | man mkfs.vfat |
| 00:00.07 | lcuk | not very clear, where are you seeing the error and give the specific error message, not shortened or abreviated |
| 00:00.14 | FIQ | oh, no man atm... |
| 00:00.16 | lcuk | oneil, ^ |
| 00:00.17 | MNZ | FIQ, did you use mkvfat on /dev/mmcblk1 ? |
| 00:00.31 | FIQ | Don't remember, could happen |
| 00:00.57 | MNZ | don't worry about the filesystem, just use sfdisk again (properly this time) and next time run mkvfat on the p1/p2 devices |
| 00:03.10 | andax | SpeedEvil: still flying? xD xD xD |
| 00:03.21 | FIQ | but i've never used sfdisk before. :) - so how to just wipe out the partition? |
| 00:04.58 | MNZ | FIQ, if by wipe out you mean remove the current filesystem you have on it... then you don't really need to wipe it out, just repartition the device and create new filesystems. I haven't used sfdisk myself before, I'm used to fdisk, but you should get it on your desktop and read the man page |
| 00:05.35 | oneil | there was a probl!m with GV('data':('code':20) 'ok' false) |
| 00:06.28 | lcuk | oneil, which application window or log did you read that from |
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| 00:06.54 | SkyscraperN900 | mohammadag51 whats up with ubuntu?? |
| 00:06.55 | MNZ | FIQ, http://linux.die.net/man/8/sfdisk |
| 00:07.01 | oneil | dail central |
| 00:07.15 | FIQ | ty |
| 00:07.28 | lcuk | oneil, did it used to work? |
| 00:08.22 | oneil | no i just installed it. but the google talk works on my pc |
| 00:08.53 | lcuk | then look on the dialcentral bug trcker |
| 00:09.33 | MNZ | oneil, have you tried the built in google talk integration in maemo? Maybe that'll do? |
| 00:10.04 | SkyscraperN900 | hm... have to sleep. good night! |
| 00:10.57 | oneil | i tried the one that comes with the phone but it keeps on dailing with no tone |
| 00:11.52 | andax | good night SkyscraperN900 |
| 00:12.00 | oneil | but my skpe works fine |
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| 00:21.44 | PolarFox | Wow... I like the old kinetik scroll :) |
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| 00:31.26 | oneil | mzn, i got the erro message from dail central |
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| 00:35.34 | MNZ | oneil, sorry can't help. I'd say give the built in one another shot and see what happens. Look for the dial central's bug tracker and see if this is already reported |
| 00:39.58 | oneil | thanks. where do i find the bug tracker? on maemo? |
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| 00:46.47 | GAN900 | http://bugs.maemo.org |
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| 00:51.47 | lainwir3d | hi |
| 00:52.38 | lainwir3d | i'm trying to import a client pkcs12 certificate for website authentification |
| 00:52.45 | lainwir3d | however it doesn't seems to work |
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| 00:53.36 | lainwir3d | when i try to import it it ask for a "purpose" and i get these choice: server / wifi / email |
| 00:54.02 | lainwir3d | whatever i choose even if i check all of those it doesn't seems to work in maemo's browser |
| 00:54.11 | lainwir3d | oh... N900 with PR1.2 btw |
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| 00:55.04 | lainwir3d | does someone have an idea please? i think that my certificate has something wrong with it because i read somewhere that there should be another option |
| 00:55.11 | lainwir3d | like "web browsing" or similar |
| 00:58.57 | GAN900 | I'd tend to blame Maemo |
| 00:59.10 | GAN900 | but I don't deal with certs, so I have no suggestions. |
| 01:01.03 | lainwir3d | well thanks anyway for answering :) |
| 01:02.17 | lainwir3d | oh |
| 01:02.22 | lainwir3d | found something in apt |
| 01:02.25 | lainwir3d | "microb-engine-common-ext - Cert and password manager for microb" |
| 01:02.32 | lainwir3d | i'm going to try that |
| 01:02.48 | oneil | x |
| 01:12.42 | lainwir3d | ok i got it to work by cheating |
| 01:13.07 | lainwir3d | if someone is interested: |
| 01:13.30 | lainwir3d | i typed "chrome://pippki/content/certManager.xul" into microb address bar and "firefox" certificate manager appeared. From there i just added my certificate |
| 01:16.12 | lainwir3d | well then |
| 01:16.13 | lainwir3d | good night |
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| 01:30.38 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: The TAS5631 is a high-performance PWM input class-D amplifier with integrated closed-loop feedback technology (known as PurePath HD technology) with the ability to drive up to 300 W (1) stereo into 4- to 8- speakers from a single 50-V suppl |
| 01:31.02 | pupnik | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tas5631.html |
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| 01:46.54 | pupnik | oh i found a direct-digital amplifier NAD M2 ($5999) |
| 01:47.08 | Dhraakellian | recommendation for a mail client with threading? |
| 01:56.34 | pupnik | mutt supports threading Dhraakellian |
| 01:57.38 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients half way down you can see which support threads :) |
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| 02:04.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh, that cert manager URL of lainwir3d is amazing. Quite worth the bookmark, even with google icon :-P |
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| 02:37.19 | pyther | Hi |
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| 02:37.29 | pyther | Is there any place to save busybox aliases? |
| 02:39.40 | pupnik | you mean shell aliases like ll='ls -al' |
| 02:39.43 | pupnik | ? |
| 02:40.02 | pupnik | @ pyther |
| 02:40.25 | pyther | pupnik: yes |
| 02:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | I usually have them in a special file ~/aliases and this file gets sourced in one of the init scripts |
| 02:44.02 | pyther | DocScrutinizer: ok that is good to know I found out that I can put them in .profile to |
| 02:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | SURE YOU CAN, BUT IT'S AWKWARD |
| 02:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | oops sorry capslock |
| 02:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | I have `alias -p >$HOME/bash-aliases` in my .bash_logout |
| 02:48.01 | pyther | how is it awkward? |
| 02:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | and in .bashrc I have `. $HOME/bash-aliases` |
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| 02:49.32 | luke-jr | notes Maemo doesn't use bash |
| 02:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | what sed + awk cruft would you suggest do implemet same thing for holding alies defs in .bashrc directly? |
| 02:49.50 | pupnik | interesting, never thought of adding aliases automatically |
| 02:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: maemo doesn't use aliases either |
| 02:50.15 | luke-jr | pupnik: me either, if I add them, I always go straight for the bash_profile |
| 02:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | but *I* do :-P |
| 02:50.32 | pyther | DocScrutinizer: busybox support aliases |
| 02:50.35 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I think pyther was asking about Maemo |
| 02:50.41 | pyther | I was |
| 02:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 02:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# which bash |
| 02:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | /bin/bash |
| 02:51.23 | luke-jr | which one |
| 02:51.23 | pyther | and alias ihr="/home/user/iheartradioN900.py' works if and stays if I toss it into .profile |
| 02:51.25 | luke-jr | one: not found |
| 02:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke messybox |
| 02:51.28 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at messybox ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 02:52.26 | pyther | Well I better go to bed, I got class in the morning my iheartradio script works |
| 02:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | pyther: happy messing around with nano for each silly alias |
| 02:52.57 | pyther | DocScrutinizer: I only need a few right now |
| 02:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | alias as=alias |
| 02:53.10 | pyther | haha |
| 02:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | as lp=lart pyther |
| 02:53.27 | pyther | later all |
| 02:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | oops that's not bash |
| 02:56.29 | kerio | ~lart | nuke DocScrutinizer |
| 02:56.30 | infobot | whips | nuke DocScrutinizer with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 02:56.43 | kerio | infobot: learn to piping commands |
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| 03:41.28 | ghostnik11 | hi, I am not a nokia or maemo user but i am interested in becoming one but before i can i must find out if nokia/maemo phones can do my call setup |
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| 03:42.40 | ghostnik11 | so wanted to know if there is a callback mechanism application for nokia/maemo phones using google voic |
| 03:42.45 | ghostnik11 | google voice |
| 03:51.53 | SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware nobodies done anything google voice related yet. |
| 03:52.20 | SpeedEvil | Not looked at it - as voice hasn't worked in the UK |
| 03:53.17 | ghostnik11 | speedevil: thanks for the comment, and i am sorry i thought that n900 users where using dialcentral app to make callback calls with google voice |
| 03:55.43 | ghostnik11 | the thing is i use google voice and a sip client on my android powered phone to make free calls over data eliminating my cellular min usage and now that i have the set up configured perfectly on a htc magic low end android smart phone i wanted to get a power nokia smart phone as it would more than likely give me better call quality through data connection on mobile cellular network |
| 03:56.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui google voice has been gizmo(5) has been gizmo project has always been SIP |
| 03:58.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | and - if this might not have been clear - maemo has a working quite nicely integrated SIP client |
| 03:58.35 | ghostnik11 | docscrutinizer51: I found out about how to do it through gizmo to late as gizmo doesn't let new users register as I think google saw what people were doing and getting free calls without using cellular minutes and had to stop that process |
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| 03:59.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't sound like a reasonable story to me |
| 03:59.41 | ghostnik11 | docscrutinizer51: i figured out a way without sipsocerey and gizmo and it works, its just that i need a more powerful phone |
| 03:59.51 | Muelli | ghostnik11: how did you set up your callback thing? |
| 04:00.59 | ghostnik11 | muelli: well on the android market someone a developer created google voice callback application that simulates you actually going into google voice web page and picking the contact number and pressing call |
| 04:01.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | yuck |
| 04:01.42 | Muelli | hm. okay. I don't know how Google voice actually works. |
| 04:01.54 | ghostnik11 | okay |
| 04:02.09 | ghostnik11 | can i talk just like this without putting peoples names in front |
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| 04:02.19 | ghostnik11 | or do i have to do that as a rule of the channel |
| 04:02.25 | MohammadAG | morning #maemo |
| 04:02.45 | Muelli | But how is that a callback mechanism? I mean, is that any different from how you'd regularly use Google Voice? |
| 04:02.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | depends |
| 04:03.19 | Muelli | And writing a thing that scrapes a google page should be relatively easy. Hence, shuold be quickly done for Maemo. |
| 04:03.45 | ghostnik11 | muelli well what it does is it interupts your outgoing call and calls your google voice number and then you hear your cell phone ring and when you accept, it then lets the outgoing call continue |
| 04:03.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders what for you'd need such incredible crap |
| 04:05.08 | Muelli | hm ghostnik11. So you use your dialing/phonebook UI normally? How would be able to not use Google Voice then? |
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| 04:05.38 | ghostnik11 | yeah i use my dial/phonebook ui normally |
| 04:05.56 | shinkamui | lol |
| 04:06.00 | shinkamui | I haven't been around for a while |
| 04:06.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I do same when doing SIP calls fron N900 |
| 04:06.04 | shinkamui | and this is what I come back to |
| 04:06.05 | shinkamui | :-D |
| 04:06.08 | shinkamui | nonsense |
| 04:06.23 | ghostnik11 | and what happens with this google voice callback app is that you tell it to take over as your main dialer so it basically overides the built in dialer so |
| 04:06.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | just I don't need any special google voice BS for that |
| 04:07.00 | shinkamui | sounds like you found the worst possible way to use google voice and are trying to shoehorn it onto a community that doesn't like bullshit |
| 04:07.03 | shinkamui | bullstuffs |
| 04:07.13 | asj | can the n900 dial out via google talk now? |
| 04:07.14 | ghostnik11 | when i make a call you see the google voice callback app come up and say logging in to google voice, then registering call back then it rings my phone |
| 04:07.16 | shinkamui | fliches |
| 04:07.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ghostnik11: N900 dialer HASmsip!!! no fsckng need to override |
| 04:08.55 | ghostnik11 | shinkamui: i am not trying to blow any bullshit, and i would never do that to disrespect your channel, thats not what i am about, i am about trying to learn a new way to do this on a nokia phone when i can get my hands on one and leave my android phone |
| 04:09.15 | shinkamui | lol! |
| 04:09.32 | shinkamui | please proceed. Forgive my rudeness |
| 04:10.13 | ghostnik11 | docscrutinizer51: excuse my stupidness as you are probably a super developer and i am not, i am just an end user who tries to apply developers work to make my life easier but what is n900 dialer hasmsip |
| 04:11.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | is ia 'HAS sip' with anm erratic m in place of ' ' |
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| 04:11.45 | SpeedEvil | SIP is integrated into the normal dialer. |
| 04:11.56 | SpeedEvil | You can place a call via SIP as easily as a normal call |
| 04:12.20 | ghostnik11 | speedevil: but my sip address i only have it as an incoming call setup and don't have it as a outgoing call setup |
| 04:12.36 | ghostnik11 | my sip account is with iptel.org |
| 04:12.39 | MohammadAG | need PR1.2 firmware packages for 002 and 003 firmware variants |
| 04:12.48 | pigeon | does anyone know or can find out the install size of instinctive (the app)? |
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| 04:13.18 | pigeon | i keep getting not enough space when installing it... |
| 04:13.37 | doc|home | ghostnik11: then you need to set up with another provider. I use diamondcard.us |
| 04:14.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: go dl them then |
| 04:14.37 | ghostnik11 | doc|home: well i don't use another provider because I can cut that cost by making the outgoing call with google voice as it is free to call the states and Canada |
| 04:14.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, they're on the SSU repo and each country variant has a different one |
| 04:15.03 | MohammadAG | apparently you can't add one for the other |
| 04:15.05 | doc|home | ghostnik11: then what's the problem? |
| 04:15.20 | MohammadAG | mp-fremantle-002-pr |
| 04:15.23 | MohammadAG | mp-fremantle-003-pr |
| 04:15.29 | MohammadAG | got -generic-pr |
| 04:16.18 | ghostnik11 | doc|home: the problem is i need an app that will do the process for me, instead of me going into a web browser every time and selecting a contact and pressing call on the google voice web page |
| 04:16.48 | doc|home | ghostnik11: looks like you found a new project |
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| 04:17.48 | ghostnik11 | doc|home: basically i am asking for something similar to a dial plan in a sense but is intergrated with my contacts from the phone |
| 04:17.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | excuse me... (runs for bathroom, puking) |
| 04:18.09 | pigeon | sorry, should be "instinctiv " |
| 04:18.40 | doc|home | ghostnik11: if none exists then it looks like you've found a new itch to scratch for yourself. |
| 04:19.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's roundabout 6 dozen SIP providers allowing free calls to US |
| 04:21.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | and, as mentioned err elaborated above, google voice was gizmo and so should also be usual SIP |
| 04:21.04 | ghostnik11 | docscrutinizer51: i know i have tested some of them like voipdiscount and others but the thing with those is that |
| 04:22.51 | ghostnik11 | docscrutinizer51: in the fine small print they say you get this much free calling per month based on an ip address but don't tell you that there are others with the same ip address so you end up going over your actually minutes allowed even if you personally didn't |
| 04:22.52 | doc|home | the enter key: not substitution for commas |
| 04:23.33 | doc|home | ghostnik11: then those providers are idiots |
| 04:23.38 | doc|home | look for others |
| 04:24.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | never seen such silly fineprint. Maybe you just should reread |
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| 04:24.42 | MohammadAG | need - packages - now |
| 04:24.48 | MohammadAG | community ssu depends on it :P |
| 04:26.20 | SpeedEvil | ghostnik11: http://maemo.org/packages/view/dialcentral/ ? |
| 04:27.20 | ghostnik11 | speedevil: yeah i was looking at that and was interested in it but wanted to know how it worked and as i don't own an n900 wanted to ask if someone here has used dialcentral and how was it |
| 04:28.11 | SpeedEvil | Don't have google voic |
| 04:28.12 | SpeedEvil | e |
| 04:28.20 | ghostnik11 | speedevil: for example if dialcentral has the google voice callback feature then it will work perfectly and i wanted to know if it only worked with gizmo users |
| 04:28.35 | pigeon | hmm... |
| 04:29.14 | pigeon | apt-worker: free space (/home/) = 110739456, apt-worker: You don't have enough free space in /home, required disk space: 3709960, result code = 7 |
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| 04:34.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~trout apt |
| 04:35.12 | infobot | ACTION slaps apt around a bit with a large trout! |
| 04:35.12 | SpeedEvil | ghostnik11: check for a tmo thread on dialcentral or a homepage |
| 04:35.29 | pigeon | wow, some lag there... |
| 04:35.44 | SpeedEvil | http://gc-dialer.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 04:35.48 | SpeedEvil | or just read that |
| 04:39.53 | ghostnik11 | speedevil: read it and it doesn't say anything about a callback mechanism included, for example i am google voice app on my android phone and when you place a call through it, it usually connects you to a google number or a number that routes the call through your cellular minutes this way the carriers still earn there money, |
| 04:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | free minutes based on IP addr - tzz. I'd guess that applies for anonymous usage, as it really doesn't make *any* sense if you register with the SIP provider and properly authenticate |
| 04:40.36 | ghostnik11 | docscrutinizer: have you heard about the betamax user and the FUP policy |
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| 04:40.42 | ghostnik11 | users |
| 04:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 04:41.10 | ghostnik11 | can i put a link to the page about it |
| 04:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet I'm not interested in it |
| 04:41.27 | ghostnik11 | okay cool |
| 04:41.56 | pigeon | i cleaned up about 300MB off /home and it's finally installing... :\ |
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| 04:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: you really should kick out that greedy game eating up >1GB of your /opt |
| 04:43.36 | pigeon | well, that's close to what i did... i moved away openarena's data ;) |
| 04:43.53 | TermanaN900 | nom nom nom - data! |
| 04:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: probably send it back to maintainer/devel, together with an angry hornet hive |
| 04:44.31 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer isn't from the ghetto. He ain't no (game) player |
| 04:44.37 | SpeedEvil | Well - mail the autrhor. Or find some thread of discussion on it , or ... |
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| 04:45.35 | TermanaN900 | or do nothing |
| 04:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: I toldya bout `du /opt|sort -n`, didn't I? |
| 04:46.14 | pigeon | well i did du --max-depth=1 -x /home/opt | sort -n |
| 04:47.51 | pigeon | apart from /opt/maemo, the biggest i've got is icedtea6 and sygic |
| 04:47.59 | ghostnik11 | speedevil: i am thinking of just asking a question to the users who use this app in the maemo forums |
| 04:48.14 | pigeon | still waiting for australia sygic map :( |
| 04:49.53 | pigeon | glad that i'm not the only one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59066 |
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| 05:02.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, sygic being greedy? I guess they didn't read about 'installing in opt and mydocs' in maemo wiki |
| 05:02.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd call that a bug, and pester them to deliver decent software for my money |
| 05:02.59 | Stskeeps | mydocs makes sense considering their data load |
| 05:03.03 | Stskeeps | wouldn't fit in /opt |
| 05:03.25 | Stskeeps | and their installation method of maps |
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| 05:05.23 | johnx | morning humans |
| 05:06.41 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:06.41 | johnx | I looked at contextkit |
| 05:06.41 | johnx | It looks like everything I had in mind, except more |
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| 05:09.05 | johnx | I still like the idea of hooking up something like dbus-scripts to it, for apps that don't use it natively, but do except commands over dbus |
| 05:09.26 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
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| 05:10.27 | johnx | which means I should get some distro running that includes contextkit :) |
| 05:15.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | pigeon: opt/maemo was large? that's something that needs further investigations |
| 05:15.25 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer51: well i think a lot of packages have things installed there. |
| 05:15.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 05:15.35 | pigeon | that's why it's quite big. |
| 05:15.59 | pigeon | my whole /opt/maemo is 375MB |
| 05:16.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | mine 70 |
| 05:16.44 | pigeon | wormux-data is 107MB |
| 05:16.49 | pwnguin | hrm. now that google talk is basically live for everyone in canada / us, has anyone figured out if there's SIP settings one can use for it? |
| 05:17.03 | johnx | yup. was just about to say, tends to get used by games rather heavily |
| 05:17.55 | pigeon | a lot of them for me are installed, tried, and left it there, never really played them again :) |
| 05:18.17 | pigeon | sometimes it's handy when i need to show people. |
| 05:22.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | pigeon: for such purpose I usually fire up HAM and install something that will impress them. The 5min to load I use to explain to them it's just because there's such a lot of nice apps and it needs to download the descriptions of all of them now :-P |
| 05:23.05 | pigeon | ;) |
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| 05:28.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | if the people to entertain are of the tech savy kind, you also can explain about apt-get is lightning fast, compared to HAM, But you want to show the nice GUI of App Manager, incl the pkg descriptions :-) |
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| 05:41.13 | slonopotamus_ | slonopotamus: err... |
| 05:41.50 | slonopotamus | ! |
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| 05:47.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 05:47.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | slonopotamus: do you need IRC to talk to yourself? :-P |
| 05:49.35 | ruskie | lol |
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| 05:52.57 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, and endles rivers of coffee |
| 05:53.13 | slonopotamus | s#les#less# |
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| 06:38.46 | ebzzry | On Fremantle, is there a way to make the system notify me of 'Conversations' messages, even if the window to which the message comes from is in focus? |
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| 06:43.00 | johnx | you mean like flash the LED? |
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| 07:03.42 | ebzzry | johnx: Sorry for being ambiguous. I'm looking for audible notifications. |
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| 07:05.13 | pigeon | i thought it already has that |
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| 07:07.59 | ebzzry | pigeon: It doesn't ding when the window is in focus. |
| 07:08.17 | pigeon | iirc, it still makes a sound, but different sound. |
| 07:08.29 | pigeon | like a knock knock sound, much softer one. |
| 07:11.18 | pigeon | i could be wrong though... and i couldn't test it right now. |
| 07:12.10 | johnx | ah, you're right |
| 07:12.39 | pigeon | so i was wrong then? |
| 07:12.48 | johnx | I think you're right |
| 07:12.54 | johnx | but I can't find the setting |
| 07:13.16 | johnx | maybe it gets set as part of the that 'system sounds' 'level 1' thing? |
| 07:13.32 | pigeon | probably, i always find that mysterious... |
| 07:13.48 | pigeon | it's like an "everything else" sound setting :) |
| 07:14.19 | mece_ | im's knock, emails ding and messages dingding. |
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| 07:16.57 | ebzzry | level 1 and level 2 is too narrow to be defined as a decent setting for things like that |
| 07:18.31 | johnx | I don't even know WTF level 1 means? |
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| 07:18.31 | pigeon | i believe it's volume level. |
| 07:18.32 | johnx | Like do I get the sounds from the first level of super mario bros? or ... ? |
| 07:18.32 | johnx | aaah, |
| 07:18.33 | johnx | but doesn't it have a volume slider next to it? |
| 07:18.33 | johnx | checks |
| 07:18.34 | pigeon | no |
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| 07:20.53 | ebzzry | no |
| 07:21.15 | ebzzry | Sometimes I miss messages because of this behavior. |
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| 07:35.22 | crashanddie | I just had the CEO come in my office and apologise that they won't be able to purchase an iMac for me |
| 07:35.34 | jacekowski | oO |
| 07:35.36 | Stskeeps | cos they're firing you? |
| 07:35.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:35.42 | kerio | omg |
| 07:35.49 | kerio | no iMac... :( |
| 07:36.00 | kerio | ask for a macbook |
| 07:36.04 | crashanddie | I never asked for one -- they just assumed I wanted Apple hardware because I'm temporarily using my macbookpro considering I don't have anything from the company yet |
| 07:36.05 | SpeedEvil | They have a corporate deal with Gillette? |
| 07:36.05 | jacekowski | i already have to many computers |
| 07:37.06 | crashanddie | I'm starting to love this gig :D |
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| 07:37.53 | crashanddie | hot or not? http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/cars-amp-girls-blonde-flanks-lamborghini-lp560-tt/cg_05.jpg |
| 07:37.56 | kerio | crashanddie: you're using your own laptop |
| 07:37.59 | kerio | you're lucky |
| 07:38.12 | crashanddie | I guess? |
| 07:38.29 | crashanddie | I'm just lacking a nice big screen and a couple gigabytes of RAM, but yeah, otherwise I'm lucky |
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| 07:38.34 | jacekowski | i wouldn't ever use my own tools for work |
| 07:38.41 | johnx | crashanddie, lambos are kinda meh to me |
| 07:39.04 | crashanddie | johnx: you're more the kind of guy who'll buy the bugatti watch for $260k? |
| 07:39.25 | kerio | i'd hit that |
| 07:39.35 | johnx | kerio, better have good insurance ... |
| 07:39.43 | Circassian | better to have |
| 07:39.54 | kerio | no, the blonde chick |
| 07:40.01 | johnx | crashanddie, I wouldn't mind a pagani |
| 07:40.04 | kerio | why are you focusing on the car, you faggots |
| 07:40.13 | crashanddie | johnx: or the Lexus LFA? |
| 07:40.17 | crashanddie | (don't mind the name) |
| 07:40.29 | johnx | crashanddie, GT-R over the Lexus, even though the Lexus is darn neat |
| 07:40.45 | crashanddie | eh? GT-R over the LFA? |
| 07:40.54 | crashanddie | HAVE YOU SEEN THE FIGHTER JET COCKPIT??? |
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| 07:41.02 | jacekowski | if i would buy car to drive around i would go for subaru impreza |
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| 07:41.26 | mece_ | the lfa is wicked. |
| 07:41.28 | johnx | jacekowski, as in the WRX or STi or just an impreza? :P |
| 07:41.32 | jacekowski | if i would buy car to show off it would be either ferrari or maybe lamborghini |
| 07:41.35 | jacekowski | johnx: as in WRX |
| 07:41.45 | jacekowski | but juz impreza would do |
| 07:41.55 | crashanddie | johnx: http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/parmigiani_fleurier_bugatti_super_sport/parmigiani_fleurier_bugatti_super_sport_001.jpg |
| 07:42.06 | johnx | jacekowski, ah, cause if you want a 96 impreza, I've got one to sell you :) |
| 07:42.08 | crashanddie | johnx: going for just $259000 |
| 07:42.36 | johnx | crashanddie, didn't top gear test both the LFA and GT-R? |
| 07:42.43 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I'd recommend the STi |
| 07:42.54 | jacekowski | johnx: i wouldn't be able to afford to insure it yet |
| 07:43.11 | jacekowski | johnx: i'm 21 and no no claims discount |
| 07:43.27 | jacekowski | johnx: and already done one claim of my insurance |
| 07:43.33 | johnx | jacekowski, bummer. I pay my parents and stay on their plan. ssssshhhh :) |
| 07:43.34 | jacekowski | johnx: which was clearly my fault |
| 07:43.42 | crashanddie | johnx: yeah, last season Top Gear played with the LFA, and a couple seasons ago they did a challenge across Japan in the GT-R |
| 07:43.47 | jacekowski | i pay £1200/year for small 1.3l |
| 07:43.54 | crashanddie | jacekowski: lmao |
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| 07:44.10 | crashanddie | I pay 200eur for my motorbike :D |
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| 07:44.18 | crashanddie | which is only a 0.1L engine |
| 07:44.20 | crashanddie | but still |
| 07:44.23 | johnx | crashanddie, but they had power lap times for both :) GT-R had 1:19 to the LFA's 1:22 ... but the LFA lap was wet so it doesn't mean anything |
| 07:44.39 | jacekowski | well, 0.6l motorbike would cost me about 15k to insure |
| 07:44.44 | jacekowski | per year |
| 07:44.51 | crashanddie | because you don't have the licence? |
| 07:44.53 | crashanddie | :P |
| 07:44.55 | jacekowski | i do |
| 07:45.03 | crashanddie | you have your full bike licence? |
| 07:45.06 | jacekowski | no |
| 07:45.15 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 07:45.18 | jacekowski | i have just car license |
| 07:45.26 | jacekowski | but i when i checked prices i said that i have license |
| 07:45.35 | crashanddie | ah yes, but they check records mate |
| 07:45.40 | jacekowski | no |
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| 07:45.50 | crashanddie | erhm, yeah, they do. |
| 07:45.56 | crashanddie | well, depends on the company |
| 07:46.00 | jacekowski | so why they ask if i have license |
| 07:46.01 | jacekowski | and stuff |
| 07:46.10 | jacekowski | like how many accidents i had |
| 07:46.16 | jacekowski | besides, they can't check my records |
| 07:46.18 | crashanddie | did you give your car licence date and the supposed bike licence date? |
| 07:46.28 | jacekowski | they don't have access to dvla database |
| 07:46.48 | crashanddie | then they do a cross reference on that, and if they can't find anything, they put max prices, because they assume you've never been insured |
| 07:47.02 | johnx | for 1.3 or 1.4L? a Fiat 500 Abarth EsseEsse might not be bad ... |
| 07:47.11 | jacekowski | they can't check that here |
| 07:47.15 | crashanddie | johnx: it also depends on the kind of car, not really the displacement |
| 07:47.22 | johnx | bummer |
| 07:47.24 | crashanddie | jacekowski: that's how gocompare does it |
| 07:47.35 | crashanddie | jacekowski: and most probably confused.com as well |
| 07:47.44 | johnx | you know that's one of the things that fueled the power/displacement engineering in Japan? |
| 07:48.02 | johnx | It really was based on displacement (for a while at least. not sure about now) |
| 07:48.02 | jacekowski | comparethemeerkat.com |
| 07:48.11 | crashanddie | johnx: basically, in mainland europe, the main factor is the "fiscal power" |
| 07:48.38 | crashanddie | johnx: which is an arbitrary number decided by the government, depending on size, weight, power, acceleration and safety |
| 07:48.39 | jacekowski | what's funny |
| 07:48.52 | kerio | your man card is automatically revoked btw |
| 07:48.58 | jacekowski | is that it would cost me only £600 to insure lamborghini |
| 07:49.04 | johnx | crashanddie, what's awesome here, is that the individual insurance companies just pull a # out of their butts |
| 07:49.05 | jacekowski | 3rd party only |
| 07:50.13 | crashanddie | johnx: yeah, it's way too regulated here... Companies interchange records, bla bla bla... But in the US, the insurrance fluctuates based the tickets you get, no? |
| 07:50.28 | crashanddie | based on** |
| 07:51.01 | johnx | crashanddie, ohohohoh. nonono. It's based on gender and grades, and whatever statistics they want |
| 07:51.02 | jacekowski | well, points on license change costs here as well |
| 07:51.19 | crashanddie | oh, maybe I'm confused with the UK then |
| 07:51.41 | jacekowski | and it would even make it cheaper for me if i would be married |
| 07:51.42 | crashanddie | the whole points system is ridiculous though |
| 07:51.44 | jacekowski | or own a house |
| 07:52.03 | johnx | no regulation means that they pull *no* punches when figuring out exactly how likely you are to make a claim |
| 07:52.08 | crashanddie | jacekowski: well yeah, because statistically speaking, you're less likely to drive as an idiot when you've engaged "for life", rather than dry humping a girl in sussex |
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| 07:52.45 | jacekowski | why sussex? |
| 07:52.59 | jacekowski | that's really interesting |
| 07:53.39 | crashanddie | well, you're polish, you either live in sussex or Bromley/Lewisham |
| 07:54.18 | jacekowski | you missed |
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| 07:56.01 | crashanddie | ouch, only 50 megs available RAM on your server? |
| 07:56.21 | crashanddie | and swap maxed out aswell |
| 07:56.22 | crashanddie | ! |
| 07:56.30 | Circassian | ?! |
| 07:56.46 | jacekowski | well, take a look clouser |
| 07:56.48 | jacekowski | closer* |
| 07:56.54 | jacekowski | 29% used |
| 07:56.58 | jacekowski | rest are buffers and caches |
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| 07:57.30 | crashanddie | your swap shouldn't be showing as 100% used though |
| 07:57.36 | crashanddie | unless the script is misinterpreting things? |
| 07:57.49 | jacekowski | it is 100% |
| 07:57.58 | jacekowski | i have leaking java app runing |
| 07:58.14 | jacekowski | and it's just getting swapped out |
| 07:58.22 | jacekowski | Swap: 1998 1995 3 |
| 07:58.39 | ShadowJK | 3 megs free, that's still ok :) |
| 07:58.58 | ShadowJK | it's at 0 you worry |
| 07:59.02 | ShadowJK | oom is nasty |
| 08:00.00 | johnx | I've had really great experiences with it :) |
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| 08:00.52 | akiniemi | how do you open a new window in a stack with the right orientation? |
| 08:01.09 | akiniemi | I'm using Qt, and it seems windows are always forst in landscape mode... |
| 08:01.21 | akiniemi | s/forst/first |
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| 08:03.51 | Zucca | I don't know much about apt package manager, but I'd like to know how to see a list of files a package has installed. I guess it can be done in cli? |
| 08:04.04 | steinex | Zucca: dpkg -L package |
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| 08:04.27 | Zucca | steinex: Thanks. :) |
| 08:04.49 | jacekowski | steinex: it's only swap |
| 08:04.52 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: * |
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| 08:05.02 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.02 | jacekowski | Mem: 7988 7937 51 0 53 5515 |
| 08:05.02 | jacekowski | -/+ buffers/cache: 2368 5620 |
| 08:05.02 | jacekowski | Swap: 1998 1996 2 |
| 08:05.27 | jacekowski | crashanddie: i'm in colchester |
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| 08:07.19 | Funnyface | grrr fucking n900 froze during the night and now I've overslept |
| 08:07.39 | thresh | I use excuses like that too for my boss |
| 08:07.42 | nid0 | i learned the hard way years ago to always use 2 alarms :) |
| 08:07.43 | jacekowski | why you disabled watchdog? |
| 08:08.22 | jacekowski | nid0: i use 6 alarms and it's sometimes not enough |
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| 08:08.41 | Funnyface | it was the alarm app itself, not the N900 actually |
| 08:08.59 | Funnyface | the stop/snooze (is that what it's called in english) stuff was stuck on the screen and I had to kill it |
| 08:09.59 | johnx | Funnyface, I see that sometimes too |
| 08:10.28 | nid0 | i sometimes have the button take 2-3 seconds to go away after stopping the alarm, but never had it freeze/fail on me |
| 08:11.35 | Funnyface | the funny thing is that I have used 2 alarm clocks every day for the last 2 weeks when I had to use an alarm, but today when I only used one was the only time it didn't work |
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| 08:14.48 | johnx | it can tell. it knows. |
| 08:15.19 | koala_man | Funnyface: miss anything important? |
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| 08:17.33 | yannux | I've submitted my package to extra devels repository, but I dont understand the building error. someone can help me ? |
| 08:17.49 | yannux | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/vlc-remote_0.5-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 08:18.23 | X-Fade | yannux: Do you have build-depends for libqt4-dev ? |
| 08:18.38 | yannux | ah shxxxttttt x) forgot it |
| 08:18.47 | yannux | shame on me |
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| 08:23.44 | yannux | X-Fade: is there a way to have complete it automaticly ? |
| 08:24.13 | X-Fade | yannux: Complete what? |
| 08:24.27 | yannux | Build-Depends: |
| 08:24.55 | X-Fade | yannux: Complete -> Generate? |
| 08:25.02 | yannux | yes |
| 08:25.04 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: saw my post re closed blobs on community obs? |
| 08:25.27 | X-Fade | yannux: dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 08:25.45 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: No, haven't gotten to the lists yet. |
| 08:25.56 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:26.02 | yannux | ok thanks X-Fade |
| 08:26.18 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: wrote some technical opinion on how to deal with quim's proposal of only building for meego api (but on m5,m6) |
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| 08:30.48 | yannux | X-Fade: same error :s |
| 08:31.06 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think the problem with this is that you have to rely on Qt-mobility to provide all platform/hardware specific features. |
| 08:31.19 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: :nod: |
| 08:31.20 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So only high level stuff will be available. |
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| 08:31.48 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: otoh qt mobility is getting developed for m5 |
| 08:32.15 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Sure, but if you want to use the light sensor for example, you are out of luck. |
| 08:32.18 | Funnyface | koala_man: yes I did |
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| 08:32.53 | Funnyface | my visit to the doctor + 4-5 classes worth of school |
| 08:32.54 | X-Fade | Well, pure kernel things can be allowed too. |
| 08:35.33 | yannux | X-Fade: I've replace debian/rules by those here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39962 and now it's compiling on my scratchbox armel target , before he wasn't |
| 08:36.15 | yannux | X-Fade: files uploaded to extra devels, must be build from armel or x86 target on the scratchbox ? |
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| 08:41.50 | X-Fade | yannux: Doesn't matter as you build a souce package. |
| 08:42.05 | yannux | ok |
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| 08:50.25 | yannux | X-Fade: thanks, build is OK now :D |
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| 08:52.07 | X-Fade | yannux: Good ;) |
| 08:52.36 | yannux | X-Fade: once it's build, it's available on the n900 application manager, (with extra-devels of course) |
| 08:52.39 | yannux | ?* |
| 08:53.07 | X-Fade | yannux: Takes a while for it to be imported/mirrored. |
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| 08:53.37 | yannux | some hours ? days? |
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| 08:54.08 | Khertan_ | Morning everyone ! |
| 08:54.09 | X-Fade | yannux: up to an hour, most of the time less than 30 minutes. |
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| 08:54.16 | Khertan_ | ~seen achipa |
| 08:55.23 | infobot | achipa <~bear@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 17h 23m 10s ago, saying: 'Jaffa: hm, right, though if you go that route you can say it's already that way - I don't think there are other clients leaving python urllib agent strings :)'. |
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| 09:02.27 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: hi |
| 09:02.47 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: someone say me ... ask to X-Fade ... this is guy ... |
| 09:02.47 | Stskeeps | Khertan_: out of curiousity, did you switch to qt yet? |
| 09:03.12 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: got a question about maemo news ... the content of the news didn't appear in the planet : http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:a5799af9ac17abc99d28d8047c32e427/ |
| 09:03.27 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: does there is a reason ? (i use the wrong format for example) |
| 09:03.31 | Khertan_ | Stskeeps: yep :) |
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| 09:03.41 | Khertan_ | Stskeeps: khteditor and khweeteur are in pyqt |
| 09:03.44 | Stskeeps | cool |
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| 09:04.07 | bilboed-pi | moin all. Anybody knows if there are lensfun/ufraw lens profiles for FCamera/n900 ? |
| 09:04.09 | Khertan_ | and khteditor is far away faster than pygtkeditor to highlight python code |
| 09:04.19 | X-Fade | Khertan_: That is just because it is more than 1000 words. |
| 09:04.47 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: ah ... ok :) thx ... i ll try to do shorter next time ... as i didn't like when we just see the link in the planet :) |
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| 09:05.21 | X-Fade | Khertan_: Yeah, the article shortening algo can be smarter. Patches welcome ;) |
| 09:06.39 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: is it python code ? |
| 09:06.46 | X-Fade | Khertan_: no, php |
| 09:07.04 | Khertan_ | hum ... i'm not a specialist :) |
| 09:07.12 | Khertan_ | anyway where is source ... i could try :) |
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| 09:07.33 | lma | X-Fade: Hi, I'm available for testing for the next hour or so if you need me |
| 09:07.55 | X-Fade | lma: Did you upload the final part? |
| 09:08.20 | lma | Yup, but there's something wrong with the PGP signature, I just emailed you as well |
| 09:10.08 | Stskeeps | when was it approximately, time wise, that quim announced no more gtk? |
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| 09:10.23 | Stskeeps | ah, over a year ago |
| 09:11.28 | X-Fade | lma: Ok, it didn't sign it automatically. |
| 09:11.31 | Khertan_ | Stskeeps: at least ... qt is really useable since a few time (pr1.2) |
| 09:11.35 | X-Fade | lma: Let me check why. |
| 09:11.53 | lma | X-Fade: ah, true, I just noticed that Release.gpg is a couple of days old |
| 09:12.02 | Stskeeps | Khertan_: did you have any luck with pyside/pyqt on meego yet? |
| 09:12.20 | mece_ | heh. What douchebaggery is this? http://i.imgur.com/opkj8.jpg |
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| 09:12.47 | Khertan_ | Stskeeps: nope :) it s not available yet ... and wasn't able to build it ... |
| 09:12.51 | Stskeeps | Khertan_: ok |
| 09:13.13 | Khertan_ | but once it s available i ll try it ... |
| 09:13.13 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 09:13.27 | Khertan_ | my sd card is ready with meego on it :) |
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| 09:14.14 | Khertan_ | but i khteditor and khweeteur will need some modification to work with pyside ... as it s not really api compatible with pyqt :) |
| 09:14.33 | X-Fade | lma: Ok, found the issue. |
| 09:14.36 | Khertan_ | as pyside isn't ready ... there is still some strange behavior |
| 09:14.54 | X-Fade | lma: Do you have another package you can upload by chance? |
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| 09:15.06 | lma | No, that's it for now |
| 09:15.23 | lma | Would re-uploading an existing one work? |
| 09:16.39 | X-Fade | lma: Nah, I'll just run the sign part myself for now. Should be ok for the next run. |
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| 09:21.26 | Khertan_ | re |
| 09:22.09 | X-Fade | lma: Update shows up for me now. |
| 09:22.37 | Stskeeps | Khertan_: did you ask the old pymaemo people if they're doing anything for meego? |
| 09:22.57 | Stskeeps | like, for pyqt/pyside |
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| 09:23.50 | Khertan_ | nope i didn't ask ... but i think the work is in progress |
| 09:23.52 | Stskeeps | k |
| 09:24.06 | lma | X-Fade: same here, thanks! |
| 09:24.24 | Khertan_ | i think i ll try this new QtMobility in khweeteur instead of playing with dbus :) |
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| 09:25.21 | Khertan_ | QNETWORKSESSION seeems a really good idea ... simplify a lot many things ! |
| 09:25.50 | Khertan_ | but binding is for pyside and not pyqt :( |
| 09:26.00 | Khertan_ | so this meens a switch to pyside |
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| 09:28.02 | mece_ | well, at least pyside is getting some attention.. |
| 09:28.06 | X-Fade | lma: SSU completed fine on my device. |
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| 09:33.27 | mece_ | Khertan_, khteditor is awesome! |
| 09:34.47 | Jaffa | dneary: ping |
| 09:34.58 | dneary | Jaffa, Pung |
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| 09:35.31 | Jaffa | dneary: Nominations should be open now, have you got the list of eligible candidates and an announcement to publish? |
| 09:35.53 | dneary | Jaffa, Will do it ASAP. |
| 09:35.58 | Jaffa | dneary: Thanks |
| 09:36.03 | dneary | Assuming that karma counts are up to date... |
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| 09:38.26 | Jaffa | A question for bergie and/or X-Fade, I guess |
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| 09:47.29 | X-Fade | lcuk: ping? |
| 09:51.06 | Khertan_ | mece_: thks !!! |
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| 09:52.12 | Khertan_ | mece_: the pylint plugin need fix :) |
| 09:52.24 | Khertan_ | mece_: but it s in progress |
| 09:52.57 | Khertan_ | mece_: and i need some help to implement more native hilighter for other language |
| 09:53.05 | Khertan_ | as the python one is native |
| 09:53.12 | Khertan_ | but the other use pygment |
| 09:53.16 | Khertan_ | so other can be slow :) |
| 09:54.46 | Khertan_ | mece_: and i need to add some preferences for tabulation too and a comment/uncomment support for other language |
| 09:54.54 | Khertan_ | autoindent plugin is for python only |
| 09:55.06 | Khertan_ | there is many things to do :) |
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| 10:04.35 | crashanddie | there are |
| 10:04.42 | crashanddie | waves at Khertan_ |
| 10:04.45 | crashanddie | como vach? |
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| 10:05.59 | Jaffa | Oh, that's classy. Just got an email asking if I'd like to interviewed for Sky Radio's series "The Innovators" because of my work with Maemo. It's a great way to promote my business, apparently, so it'll only cost me $3,995 to be interviewed! |
| 10:06.13 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 10:06.15 | jaska | :D |
| 10:06.26 | crashanddie | "your business" |
| 10:06.36 | crashanddie | Well, for reporters, they're sure doing a bad job |
| 10:06.37 | jaska | their business |
| 10:07.08 | crashanddie | Jaffa: I'd forgotten that you own maemo.com and are seriously considering conquering the UK market |
| 10:07.46 | timeless | ooh, you own maemo.com? |
| 10:08.29 | X-Fade | Nah, that is Nokia itself too. |
| 10:08.33 | crashanddie | timeless: sorry, I forget </sarcasm? |
| 10:08.54 | crashanddie | X-Fade: yeah, btw the DNS should point to something a bit more interesting that "NORECORDS" |
| 10:09.09 | timeless | some tags aren't optional ;-) |
| 10:09.20 | ieatlint | the word "conquer" doesn't really belong anywhere near the word maemo |
| 10:09.42 | crashanddie | it does if you're trying to place a phone call |
| 10:09.55 | ieatlint | lol |
| 10:10.03 | jaska | emphasis on trying?:) |
| 10:10.23 | ieatlint | maemo should just be subtitled "good intentions" |
| 10:10.32 | crashanddie | haha, excellent |
| 10:11.04 | crashanddie | "Good intentions does not a successfull OS make"? |
| 10:11.23 | timeless | -l |
| 10:12.29 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: there are ... yep :) |
| 10:12.36 | ieatlint | how about just "better than wimo, at least" |
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| 10:14.52 | crashanddie | ieatlint: well, not really |
| 10:15.20 | ieatlint | hrm, how about "Sold more than the Microsoft Kin phone" |
| 10:15.42 | crashanddie | I mean, if you look at it, ieatlint, there is one more thing we need to consider when judging Maemo as a whole. Y'all remember Chewbacca? Chewbacca is a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! |
| 10:16.06 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Just Nokia domain squatting ;) |
| 10:16.28 | ieatlint | i vaguely recall chewbacca, yes |
| 10:17.45 | ShadowJK | he was the one who hadn't shaved that morning |
| 10:18.15 | crashanddie | Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with Maemo? Nothing. It has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I am an IRC troll idling in #maemo, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? I am not making any sense! None of this |
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| 10:18.53 | ShadowJK | and you're using an irc client unaware of 512 byte limit |
| 10:19.04 | crashanddie | just irssi :) |
| 10:19.04 | ieatlint | crashanddie, i'd guess he was compensating for something |
| 10:19.20 | ieatlint | you know, like how to a midget you seem really big |
| 10:19.34 | crashanddie | ieatlint: maybe I'm a person of low height? |
| 10:19.43 | crashanddie | ieatlint: midget is a very insulting word, you know. |
| 10:19.56 | crashanddie | maybe you'll use gnome or monkey next? |
| 10:19.56 | ieatlint | i wouldn't have used it otherwise |
| 10:20.07 | ieatlint | "vertically challenged" |
| 10:20.08 | Duckboot | I'm an oversized gnome |
| 10:20.17 | crashanddie | Duckboot: those are called trolls :D |
| 10:20.23 | Duckboot | crashanddie: Haha |
| 10:20.57 | Duckboot | crashanddie: Perhaps monkey is a more suiting word for me.... |
| 10:21.12 | timeless | arrives @HEL |
| 10:21.17 | Khertan_ | hum ... there is many small differences between pyside and pyqt4 |
| 10:21.48 | ieatlint | i was once tempted to write a utility called midget that would get things midway through a file |
| 10:22.19 | Khertan_ | and i like their doc : http://www.pyside.org/docs/pyside-dev/PySide/QtCore/Qt.html |
| 10:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | dman, it's THURSDAY, not friday :-P |
| 10:23.08 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: NSS |
| 10:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | New zSealand Zsouth? |
| 10:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf nss |
| 10:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | look, not even ibot knows |
| 10:25.03 | Duckboot | My son had a suggestion to a perfect week: saturday, sunday, friday, saturday, friday, saturday, friday |
| 10:25.23 | Scelt | no fridays, you gotta work those days |
| 10:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'd miss one sunday |
| 10:25.36 | ShadowJK | as long as there are no mondays |
| 10:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | ... and I'd need to dl Dr.House from the internets, due to missing tuesday |
| 10:26.43 | Duckboot | Scelt: Fridays are always nice |
| 10:27.04 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: NSS = No Shit Sherlock |
| 10:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG the TV program :-/ |
| 10:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | seems like they change saturday program every 6 months or so |
| 10:28.00 | Duckboot | does not watch TV. |
| 10:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | I need to, not to forget what spoken German sounds like |
| 10:28.56 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: I have a german sister-in-law, so I'm covered. |
| 10:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, I have the lady at the supermarket cashier, a "hello!.... Nice evening" every 4 days should suffice |
| 10:30.49 | Duckboot | ;-P |
| 10:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's about as much as I speak, or hear of directly spoken words. ~0.5 words / day |
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| 10:32.33 | ShadowJK | You could start pretending you're deaf mute |
| 10:32.49 | ShadowJK | and write hallo in Sketch on n900 |
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| 10:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | I adopted the habit of occasionally mumbling the English I type in here :-D |
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| 10:34.38 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: I have 3 kids - Believe me - I would prefer silence. |
| 10:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | does |
| 10:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | just noticed a double click on BT headset hold button will repeat last outbound call. Anybody knew about that, and if yes then where from? |
| 10:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | s/peat/dial/ |
| 10:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | meh, on wired headset it doesn't work |
| 10:40.34 | Surfa | it should have been from the beginning |
| 10:40.47 | Surfa | it's bt feature if I recall correctly |
| 10:41.15 | Surfa | all nokia devices should behave the same way for the bt headset button clicks |
| 10:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | bt for sure has absolutely no idea about redialing |
| 10:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | at least for SCP or whatever profile is used for phone headset |
| 10:42.53 | Surfa | yes, but nokia bt sw does some logic for the buttons |
| 10:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: I'm quite sure they don't, as some offer voice dialing on pressing button when no call established |
| 10:43.40 | Surfa | if you feel so :) |
| 10:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | there is no Nokia bt sw afaik |
| 10:44.03 | Surfa | i don't remember details and don't really feel like looking for them right now |
| 10:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | it's all plain bluez |
| 10:45.48 | Surfa | to some point yes, but bluez must forward some information to phone components too? |
| 10:46.20 | timeless | nokia wired has a special proprietary protocol |
| 10:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | I think it creates input events |
| 10:46.30 | timeless | which the n900 doesn't support |
| 10:46.45 | timeless | so for wired you get a fairly minimal set |
| 10:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: I'm talking bout the plain simple headset button |
| 10:47.00 | timeless | bt is more standardized w/ better magic |
| 10:47.08 | timeless | heh |
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| 10:47.17 | timeless | capt jere nokia welcomes me aboad |
| 10:47.28 | timeless | is flying HEL to OSL to LHR |
| 10:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: I know about the protocol, or to be exact I do *not* know despite I tried to find out |
| 10:47.39 | timeless | so i can wave to the trolls for a minute |
| 10:47.51 | timeless | anyway, we're off |
| 10:48.08 | timeless | i'll see people some time next week. have a good weekend |
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| 10:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: |
| 10:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | [127233.459381] hci_h4p hci_h4p: firmware: requesting bcmfw.bin |
| 10:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | [127244.121490] input: 00:1C:A4:30:7A:A8 as /class/input/input4 |
| 10:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | [129020.923797] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected |
| 10:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | [129022.041503] input: headset button as /class/input/input5 |
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| 10:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | if anybody has *any* pointer to / or generic info about the Nokia wired headset multimedia control protocol... Really appreciated! :-) |
| 10:57.09 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: There is a package somewhere which enables the volume-buttons on the headset. |
| 10:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe schematics of any such headset, or schematics of a Nokia phone compatible to such multibutton wired headset |
| 10:57.09 | Duckboot | extras-dev og -test |
| 10:57.10 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ping? |
| 10:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | Duckboot: duh?! volume buttons of wired headset? |
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| 10:57.46 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: Jepp |
| 10:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
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| 10:58.24 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: headset-control |
| 10:58.38 | Duckboot | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21182 |
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| 11:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | Duckboot: I can't find any mentioning of volume control via multibutton headset in that thread |
| 11:08.23 | dotblank34 | Anyone noticed they added voip calling from gmail? |
| 11:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | from??? |
| 11:08.39 | dotblank34 | perhaps its implemented with google talk and maybe you can use xmpp to make land line calls |
| 11:09.04 | dotblank34 | http://www.google.com/chat/voice/ |
| 11:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank34: We had that topic some hours ago. AIUI google voice is SIP |
| 11:09.46 | PerfDave | Google uses an XMPP extension to do SIP initiation over Jabber, yes. |
| 11:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
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| 11:09.59 | dotblank34 | anyone to connect with the n900 sip client? |
| 11:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | fsck google |
| 11:10.17 | dotblank34 | anywhere* |
| 11:10.19 | PerfDave | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK it's an open standard, and implemented by other clients. |
| 11:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | open: maybe. Stnadard: dooooubts |
| 11:10.58 | dotblank34 | PerfDave: if thats the case then its entirely possible to program your own client |
| 11:11.18 | dotblank34 | to sue gmails xmpp google voice dialer extension |
| 11:11.22 | dotblank34 | use* |
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| 11:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, I read some page months ago, about google inherited gizmo5, and gizmo is plain SIP afaik |
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| 11:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | so google should offer that interface as well |
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| 11:12.39 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: yes but this seems to be implemented over xmpp now |
| 11:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | then none of the gizmo users could continue to use his plain simple SIP |
| 11:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | and there was some advice how they could do that |
| 11:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
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| 11:13.42 | dotblank34 | when I get it to work with my gmail account im going to test it with wireshark and see what its really doing |
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| 11:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank34: that's irrelevant |
| 11:14.23 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: How so? |
| 11:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | as elaborated above this will be SIP over XMPP |
| 11:14.43 | dotblank34 | if I see the traffic is running over xmpp/jingle |
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| 11:14.53 | dotblank34 | ok so it is over xmpp then |
| 11:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head and wants to shout "READ!" |
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| 11:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | <DocScrutinizer> well, I read some page months ago, about google inherited gizmo5, and gizmo is plain SIP afaik [2010-08-26 13:12:30] <DocScrutinizer> so google should offer that interface as well [2010-08-26 13:13:10] <DocScrutinizer> then none of the gizmo users could continue to use his plain simple SIP |
| 11:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's possible the plain SIP interface is restricted to gizmo users |
| 11:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | though I'd not exactly see why they would want to do this |
| 11:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh, nuke google with all its BS |
| 11:20.32 | dotblank34 | The question is how does the gmail client interfaces with with google voice |
| 11:21.05 | dotblank34 | can you even tunnel SIP through xmpp? |
| 11:21.33 | PerfDave | It doesn't tunnel SIP through XMPP, as I understand it. It just uses XMPP to do the handshaking. |
| 11:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | please stop spreading nonsense. a mail client can not connect to a voice service |
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| 11:21.51 | crashanddie | PerfDave: eh? |
| 11:21.57 | crashanddie | PerfDave: SIP is the handshaking protocol |
| 11:22.01 | crashanddie | that's what SIP is all about |
| 11:22.11 | zash | jingle is also a handshaking protocol |
| 11:22.12 | dotblank34 | ok right... but the voice and video addon for gmail wich as I understand it contains a xmpp client |
| 11:22.20 | dotblank34 | so we are talking about that |
| 11:22.25 | zash | google talk is xmpp |
| 11:22.33 | dotblank34 | So is it now also a sip client too? |
| 11:23.03 | crashanddie | not necessarily |
| 11:23.11 | crashanddie | they could still be using the xmpp frontend |
| 11:23.21 | crashanddie | connect to a google server, which then does the SIP networking |
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| 11:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | B2B UA |
| 11:24.34 | dotblank34 | I think the only way to really find out is use wireshark |
| 11:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | find out about what? |
| 11:24.49 | crashanddie | you most probably won't see a lot |
| 11:24.54 | crashanddie | everything is https with gmail |
| 11:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | how to emulate shit we don't really want to use? |
| 11:26.23 | crashanddie | dotblank34: for the record, SIP uses RTP and RTCP to transfer the voice component. Basically SIP just says "Hey, I've got someone who wants to call you, send your voice data on this address at this port, I can use these codecs, but would prefer this one" |
| 11:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/voice/thread?tid=16817c950860c1fb&hl=en |
| 11:27.04 | crashanddie | then the other party replies "OK, you can send your voice data on this address at this port, and I'd like to use this codec, I'll let you know when my guy answered the phone" |
| 11:27.06 | PerfDave | crashanddie: Have they fixed that then? They used to do https for most things, but some http which allowed cookie-stealing. It was talked about on the Tor mailing list a lot. |
| 11:27.25 | crashanddie | gmail never allowed the https attack |
| 11:27.33 | dotblank34 | Does the addon for google talk int he web browser use https? |
| 11:27.36 | crashanddie | well, it did, like any other service, but then they moved on to always-on https |
| 11:27.59 | dotblank34 | cause thats a seperate addon |
| 11:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: nope, SIP *usually* uses RTP, but basically SIP is agnostic about the transport protocol |
| 11:28.32 | crashanddie | yeah, I just wanted to explain that SIP itself doesn't do voice or video or anything transfer |
| 11:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | correct |
| 11:28.56 | dotblank34 | crashanddie: right |
| 11:29.26 | crashanddie | I also wanted to point out that it's going to be a real pain to implement properly, honestly |
| 11:29.35 | dotblank34 | What if google implemented a xmpp to sip gateway that you could make calls with jingle? |
| 11:29.35 | PerfDave | Fair enough, I just see "SIP client" when I look at VOIP software. |
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| 11:30.12 | dotblank34 | wouldn't that make more sense? |
| 11:30.28 | dotblank34 | then having the gmail voice client use sip |
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| 11:31.38 | dotblank34 | google would then have to implement a dialing extension to xmpp and thats it really |
| 11:31.45 | dotblank34 | maybe it doesn't perform well |
| 11:32.17 | crashanddie | sip -> jingle -> xmpp -> sip? |
| 11:32.55 | dotblank34 | jingle is an extension of xmpp |
| 11:33.07 | crashanddie | link? |
| 11:33.17 | dotblank34 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol) |
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| 11:33.24 | crashanddie | ta |
| 11:33.30 | zash | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0166.html |
| 11:34.12 | dotblank34 | it would basically be a sip to jingle/xmpp bridge |
| 11:34.32 | dotblank34 | in fact asterisk boxes can already do that |
| 11:35.18 | mece_ | Stskeeps, are there changelogs for the meego releases somewhere? |
| 11:35.39 | mece_ | is talking about the n900 weeky releases |
| 11:35.57 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 11:36.06 | crashanddie | dotblank34: I don't see the point, really |
| 11:36.11 | Stskeeps | mece_: yes, they come out with the normal release announcements on meego-dev |
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| 11:36.21 | crashanddie | dotblank34: you're talking about a p2p session control protocol |
| 11:36.35 | crashanddie | dotblank34: for phone calls to server entities? |
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| 11:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK google voice :-/ |
| 11:37.01 | dotblank34 | crashanddie: yes |
| 11:37.01 | domrep666 | hi |
| 11:37.06 | crashanddie | dotblank34: why? |
| 11:37.12 | domrep666 | Hallo mein Schatz.Ich bin soo schlecht im bett, kannst du mir nachhilfe geben ?:) C2C, T6, Realtreff, 3 D Livecams 5 Minuten Gratis Testen. www.hottangacam.com |
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| 11:37.27 | MohammadAG51 | too late |
| 11:37.27 | crashanddie | damn |
| 11:37.34 | dotblank34 | crashanddie: its not perfect but it means it would work with existing xmpp/jingle clients |
| 11:37.38 | dotblank34 | liek the n900 :) |
| 11:37.38 | MohammadAG51 | muhahaha |
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| 11:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | there's a zillion nice SIP providers offering great service for free, now google jumps in and cooks it in sulfuric acid and offers it as the invention of sliced bread, and all the ***** are jumping on the train |
| 11:39.21 | dotblank34 | well us calling is free |
| 11:39.21 | dotblank34 | thats why |
| 11:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | domrep - web interface? |
| 11:39.22 | crashanddie | dotblank34: I'm calling the whole world for free |
| 11:39.22 | dotblank34 | crashanddie: with? |
| 11:39.22 | PerfDave | stills wants nice free cross-platform voice+video |
| 11:39.22 | crashanddie | dotblank34: free.fr |
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| 11:40.15 | dotblank34 | but you had to buy the box right? I can't read the website so I can't really tell the details |
| 11:40.51 | dotblank34 | seems like its 15/month or 20/month |
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| 11:41.41 | crashanddie | dotblank34: 30euros a month, 100mbit down, 50mbit up, unlimited data (no fair use), unlimited phone calls to 3/4 of the world, 300 hd tv channels through TV over IP, etc, etc |
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| 11:42.16 | crashanddie | sip service, unlimited web space, unlimited ftp space, etc |
| 11:42.37 | dotblank34 | Im guessing its not available in america |
| 11:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: now that's the way to think about it :-) fsck google 'free calls' |
| 11:42.44 | dotblank34 | :( |
| 11:42.45 | crashanddie | nope, only France, and selected countries |
| 11:42.58 | crashanddie | err |
| 11:43.03 | crashanddie | selected cities, rather |
| 11:43.08 | dotblank34 | Im stuck with vertizon |
| 11:43.13 | dotblank34 | verizon* |
| 11:43.41 | crashanddie | I'm laughing my ass off when I see bloggers wondering how long Google will be able to keep up with the free calls to the US |
| 11:43.42 | dotblank34 | I pay about 500$ a month for cellular, tv and internet |
| 11:43.52 | crashanddie | the US has some of the lowest termination fees in the bloody world |
| 11:43.56 | dotblank34 | its insaine |
| 11:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's why they can offer outbound for free |
| 11:44.19 | crashanddie | heck, your mobile termination fees is the same as your landline, that is *unheard of* in other countries |
| 11:44.52 | crashanddie | US/Canada is the only place I can call mobiles at the same rate as landline (free) |
| 11:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | and then your mobile carrier charges you for inbound minutes? LOL |
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| 11:45.08 | dotblank34 | crashanddie: um im not too sure what you mean.. termination fees in the US on 2 year contracts are about $170 + cost of phone |
| 11:45.14 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: yeah well, their problem, not ours :P |
| 11:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | yep X-P |
| 11:45.23 | crashanddie | dotblank34: call termation fee, not contract. |
| 11:45.37 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you can call the us for free with skype as well |
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| 11:45.42 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: well, some numbers |
| 11:46.03 | crashanddie | though, Skype deliberately deteriorates the quality of calls to free numbers |
| 11:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | FWD is offering free US calls? |
| 11:46.28 | crashanddie | front wheel drive? |
| 11:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | free world dialup |
| 11:46.41 | dotblank34 | crashanddie: my god that ticks me off so much.. it is nearly unbearable and I bought my own number+subscription |
| 11:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | well USA==third_world_of_telecommunication |
| 11:48.01 | dotblank34 | Voice and telephones makes me want to rage |
| 11:48.16 | dotblank34 | and internet in the US |
| 11:48.45 | MohammadAG51 | EU ftw |
| 11:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | only in USA you can buy 512 cheap mobile phones, mount them into a rack, with a server connected to all of them via data cables, and open your own carrier service |
| 11:48.55 | dotblank34 | I get 30/5 for about $100 a month |
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| 11:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, harald welte told me he seen such gateways between GSM carriers. "forward to AT+T? sorry all our 512 AT+T cellphones are currently occupied. please call again later, or tell you friend to use our service instead of AT+T" |
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| 11:52.44 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: wait what? |
| 11:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | carrier A using cellphones reistered to carrier B's network to forward your call originated in A to destination in B |
| 11:53.45 | dotblank34 | um can't you just use something like flowroute |
| 11:53.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: that's illegal here :| |
| 11:55.01 | ieatlint | google just bought two phone services to get this, they don't have a stack of gsm phones on a rack somewhere for it :P |
| 11:55.07 | kerio | and yeah, i still don't get how they can get away with charging you for the SMSes you receive |
| 11:55.19 | ieatlint | those lucky enough to have gizmo accounts have sip for this, etc |
| 11:55.49 | dotblank34 | you can sms bomb people |
| 11:55.53 | dotblank34 | wich is insaine |
| 11:56.17 | ieatlint | i can sms bomb people on maemo using a bash script |
| 11:56.21 | ieatlint | meh |
| 11:56.30 | dotblank34 | lol |
| 11:56.46 | lcuk | dont you get the dialog saying how much credit is left? |
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| 11:56.52 | dotblank34 | most people I know have unlimted text so... doesn't really matter |
| 11:57.14 | lcuk | after every message sent |
| 11:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: on reception of inbound SMS? :-P |
| 11:57.23 | ieatlint | nah, it matters... it may not cost them anything to get the sms, but if you really hammer their phone, they can't do anything with a new sms notification every 2 seconds |
| 11:57.26 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I meant on outbound |
| 11:57.38 | ieatlint | or, they can't do as much at least.. :P |
| 11:57.50 | dotblank34 | I don't think it would hammer then900 as much |
| 11:57.56 | lcuk | i remember pr1.0 I could send sms messages one word at a time, using [ENTER] as punctuation |
| 11:58.00 | lcuk | drove luke batty |
| 11:58.04 | frals | lcuk: :D |
| 11:58.13 | lcuk | but that fun ended :) |
| 11:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: LOOOL rotfl |
| 11:58.21 | frals | lcuk: and then theres congestion and they end up in the wrong order on her phone |
| 11:58.22 | frals | :D |
| 11:58.24 | lcuk | and now theres a dialog that pops up after each message is sent |
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| 11:58.54 | frals | dialog? O_o |
| 11:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | ?? not here |
| 11:58.58 | frals | teh wat |
| 11:59.08 | frals | thinks lcuk has done something to his phone |
| 11:59.22 | lcuk | if user=='lcuk' stop_him_from_sending_sms(); |
| 11:59.24 | lcuk | ?? |
| 11:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | thinks lcuk has configured reception notification for his SMS |
| 12:00.02 | frals | grep -iR "workaround to stop lcuk spamming" *.. yepp, seems about right lcuk |
| 12:00.03 | lcuk | it tells me my balance after sending |
| 12:00.12 | frals | lcuk: dont have that here |
| 12:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 12:00.22 | frals | lcuk: how did you get that? :D |
| 12:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's a feature of your carrier |
| 12:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | N900 has no notion of your balance neither a way to query it |
| 12:00.57 | lcuk | prolly more related to PAYG |
| 12:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | carrier is sending a SMS type "notification" to you, on every sent SMS |
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| 12:02.12 | lcuk | gotten used to it |
| 12:02.45 | ieatlint | i seem to recall that being an optional feature that you can turn on/off |
| 12:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | there's a friggin lot of different SMS types: config SMS, plain SMS, UTF SMS, invisiible SMS, blinking SMS |
| 12:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 12:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: reception notification is |
| 12:03.25 | dotblank34 | can't you send an sms to change the settings of the phone? |
| 12:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | "SMS delivered to destination" |
| 12:03.29 | ieatlint | there's also a maemo widget for doing ussd queries that may be used to tell you any balance and such |
| 12:03.47 | dotblank34 | ussd works on my phone now |
| 12:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank34: ... config SMS,... |
| 12:04.04 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: so thats what its called! |
| 12:04.10 | crashanddie | yeah, nothing like having a command prompt through SMS |
| 12:04.11 | MohammadAG51 | who's on EU firmware? |
| 12:04.14 | ieatlint | yeah, but i mean instead of manually typing it, it does the query and formats the data it receives as you specify |
| 12:04.19 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: can yous end your own config sms to other phoens? |
| 12:04.25 | crashanddie | sudo gainroot; rm -rf /* |
| 12:04.31 | MohammadAG51 | xD |
| 12:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank34: If you know how, then yes |
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| 12:04.54 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: lol really.. that really really insecure |
| 12:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, you usually can't fake the sender info |
| 12:05.43 | RST38h | moo all |
| 12:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | and config SMS are madatory to ask user for OK |
| 12:05.48 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: usually? |
| 12:05.49 | MohammadAG51 | moo RST38h |
| 12:06.11 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: well im sure 90% of the people I know would say ok |
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| 12:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank34: if you got no special 'wire' to the network exchange |
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| 12:06.54 | dotblank34 | DocScrutinizer: sounds illegal |
| 12:06.54 | carp3 | Hi, is it possible to install Symbian on N900 ? |
| 12:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 12:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | even a cray emu |
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| 12:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 12:11.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, it is definetely *possible* |
| 12:11.37 | kerio | with no restrictions about speed, of course |
| 12:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 12:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what chroot is called under symbian |
| 12:12.37 | kerio | write emulator, run emulator, ???, C&D! |
| 12:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | though you'd probably need something more brute force than just a chroot, to make maemo blobs work under symb |
| 12:13.21 | crashanddie | kerio: yes? |
| 12:13.42 | kerio | not you ._. |
| 12:14.40 | SpeedEvil | It would be shiny though. |
| 12:14.50 | kerio | c&d as in cease and desist |
| 12:14.52 | SpeedEvil | s60-wine |
| 12:15.05 | kerio | wins60e |
| 12:15.17 | kerio | Wine Is Not a S60 Emulator |
| 12:15.19 | SpeedEvil | imagines the response to that turning up in extras-devel. |
| 12:17.10 | jaska | why? isnt symbian opensores? |
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| 12:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | jaska: is maemo oss |
| 12:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 12:19.25 | jaska | some of it |
| 12:19.32 | kerio | so you see |
| 12:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | and why isn't al of it oss yet? |
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| 12:19.49 | jaska | you mean symbian is opensores but s60 isnt, rendering it useless? |
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| 12:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | no, I mean you'll have same hard time as mer had, to get it running on N900 natively |
| 12:21.08 | jaska | well, one would just emulate the userland interfaces, not the hw stuff |
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| 12:21.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, which firmware variant are you on |
| 12:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | international? |
| 12:21.59 | MohammadAG | damn |
| 12:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | what else? |
| 12:22.26 | MohammadAG | dpkg -l mp-fremantle* |
| 12:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | UK? |
| 12:22.31 | MohammadAG | nah, EU |
| 12:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing afaik |
| 12:22.53 | MohammadAG | there's US/EU/MEA and global |
| 12:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea |
| 12:23.30 | kerio | what's the difference? |
| 12:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I've chosen "western decadence" |
| 12:23.37 | kerio | i think i'm on EU, or global |
| 12:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | though the "A" not exactly meets this description |
| 12:24.33 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Did dneary ask you if the karma count is known & up-to-date? Nominations should have been announced as available from midnight UTC and... they're not. |
| 12:24.35 | MohammadAG | dpkg -l mp-fremantle* |
| 12:24.42 | MohammadAG | if it's mp-fremantle-generic-pr, it's global |
| 12:24.45 | MohammadAG | 002 is US |
| 12:24.50 | MohammadAG | 003 is EU |
| 12:25.03 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Lies |
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| 12:25.14 | RST38h | Mohammad: solving that no-spanish-translations problem? |
| 12:25.19 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: 003 == Middle East and North Africa |
| 12:25.29 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 12:25.31 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Check the list at: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 12:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | ii mp-fremantle-generic-pr 10.2010.19-1 |
| 12:25.42 | crashanddie | GAN900: have you tried quake live lately? |
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| 12:28.19 | zash | there is no EU calling code |
| 12:28.26 | zash | since EU isn't a country |
| 12:28.43 | zash | orwhat |
| 12:28.49 | ieatlint | i'm pretty sure it is |
| 12:28.50 | zash | has no clue of what is talked about |
| 12:29.02 | ieatlint | just like africa |
| 12:29.12 | kerio | tsamina mina eh eh |
| 12:29.17 | kerio | waka waka eh eh |
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| 12:33.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'll check, but I haven't seen any issues. |
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| 12:58.02 | dneary | Stskeeps, Ping? |
| 12:58.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, dneary's back now |
| 12:58.17 | Stskeeps | dneary: pong |
| 12:58.19 | Jaffa | Indeed, there ^^^ |
| 12:59.37 | dneary | Jaffa, Yup? |
| 13:00.03 | Jaffa | dneary: Was asking X-Fade about karma status. His response "fine AFAIK" |
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| 13:00.21 | dneary | a. k |
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| 13:16.47 | RST38h | Nokia Care now on Twitter - @NokiaHelps |
| 13:17.06 | RST38h | Nokia also has a US specific Nokia Care account, @NokiaCareUS, which provides support for the US market. The @NokiaHelps account provides global coverage and is run by Juha-Matti Heikkinen (@JuhisH), Social Media Editor at Nokia Care. |
| 13:17.15 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Which one? |
| 13:17.55 | Stskeeps | what? |
| 13:19.43 | RST38h | sorry wromg channel |
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| 13:25.52 | RST38h | Ok, short question: |
| 13:26.17 | RST38h | Standard Qt (not mobility thing). I need to implement a configuration settings page that only gets shown when (guess!) editing settings. |
| 13:26.25 | RST38h | What is the best/simplest way to implement it? |
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| 13:34.14 | RST38h | Anyone knows where I can get help on MADDE? |
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| 13:43.31 | RST38h | Shit, this MADDE thing is even more useless than SB =( |
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| 13:49.36 | andre__ | Hmm, does nobody of the maemo.org crew use qaiku anymore, or has just everybody moved on to meego already except for me? :-P |
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| 13:51.32 | Stskeeps | xfade used it 8 days ago :P |
| 13:51.59 | andre__ | I feel lonely! :-P |
| 13:52.02 | parser_ | Does anyone know of any bluejacking tool for the N900 running maemo 5 ? |
| 13:52.03 | sx0n | RST38h, :) |
| 13:52.16 | X-Fade | andre__: Yeah, I should report more. |
| 13:52.36 | X-Fade | andre__: Just doing so many things at the same time that I forget to do that. |
| 13:53.21 | parser_ | Noone? |
| 13:54.09 | andre__ | X-Fade, hehe. well, wasn't meant as criticism, was just wondering :) |
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| 14:21.20 | pupnik_ | amplifier tests - what to look for etc http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=855865 |
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| 14:25.15 | disse | heyho |
| 14:26.14 | disse | I've started the scratchbox environment, I could grab the mouse and keyboard with ctrl+shift. But I can't see my mouse cursor. I've followed this tutorial: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 14:26.52 | disse | but I've forgot to -u $USER |
| 14:27.04 | disse | how can I fix this problems? |
| 14:27.21 | disse | or how can I reinstall? |
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| 14:29.15 | tobis87 | hi! since omap-aes does not work yet with aes-256, i searched a bit around and then i found this: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/another_new_aes.html |
| 14:29.25 | disse | my problem is solved, XD |
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| 14:29.59 | tobis87 | aes-128 is securer than aes-256 : "In the case of AES-128, there is no known attack which is faster than the 2^128 complexity of exhaustive search." "an attack against 11-round AES-256 that requires 2^70 time (is) almost practical." |
| 14:30.05 | disse | but only the mouse is not visible |
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| 14:34.32 | tobis87 | The main problem seems to be the key schedule of AES-256, which is not of industrial strength" (..) Ironically, the new attacks work best against AES-256 (which was supposed to be the strongest member of the AES family), and do not currently seem to work against AES-128. |
| 14:34.49 | tobis87 | The most disturbing aspect of the new attacks is that AES can no longer be considered as a safe black box construction, which can be dropped into any security application with little thought about how it is used. |
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| 14:36.39 | tobis87 | but what could be done about it? schneier suggests to increase the number of rounds. maybe we will see double aes in the future (2AES) ?! |
| 14:36.41 | crashanddie | pardon the offence, but tobis87, are you another bruce bitch? |
| 14:37.04 | crashanddie | over the past few days, you haven't come in here without quoting bruce at least once |
| 14:37.41 | crashanddie | quite frankly, I don't care about aes 128 or 256 being compromised, and I doubt many in here do, it's a mobile operating system, one that gives you root access nearly out of the box |
| 14:38.07 | tobis87 | crashanddie: sorry? no i haven't the first time that i write about bruce. or did i, i have to check. |
| 14:38.08 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: be nice, he's a contributing developer with interest in hw acceleration of crypto on n900. |
| 14:38.10 | crashanddie | if anything, a hammer or torn finger will give an attacker all the passwords he needs |
| 14:38.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:38.26 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I know, I know, but I'm just trying to figure out what the point is |
| 14:38.57 | tobis87 | crashanddie: for me it is knowledge, not use. |
| 14:39.03 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 14:39.53 | RST38h | The po |
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| 14:44.19 | tobis87 | crashanddie: no, i did not mention anything from him before, but i write to much about crypto stuff. i would be willing to help about host mode, but i don't know how i could, maybe i could bugtest the kernel if it becomes available. |
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| 14:47.03 | crashanddie | tobis87: truth is, when it comes to security, experts like schneier were predicting the end of DES and 3DES by the end of 2002, but it's still around -- and in very security-conscious industries |
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| 14:47.34 | crashanddie | rather than trying to get the best encryption possible, it's usually a lot cheaper and easier to implement security measures which don't really rely on technology to be strong |
| 14:48.02 | crashanddie | Why are we still using 3DES in the banking industry for online operation when we know it can be broken in a matter of hours (20 last I read, so probably 15 by now)? |
| 14:48.19 | crashanddie | Well, simply because the validity of the data can be numbered in seconds. |
| 14:48.20 | PerfDave | Uhm, it's more like the fact that the crypto is rarely the weak point in the security chain :) |
| 14:48.47 | tobis87 | crashanddie: some banks even still use os/2 (or now ecomstation) |
| 14:49.08 | crashanddie | tobis87: well, depends what you're talking about, but a lot of ATMs still run windows 3.1 |
| 14:49.53 | crashanddie | Heck, there's an ATM in London that had the fake antivirus "You need to purchase a subscription" banner splashed in the middle of the screen |
| 14:50.26 | crashanddie | That malware didn't get there through credit cards, is was put on there by a techie with too much porn on his USB drive |
| 14:50.46 | tobis87 | crashanddie: but why? the backward compatibility of windows is not that bad... win 3.x -> no memory protection |
| 14:51.28 | tobis87 | and only cooperative multitasking |
| 14:51.30 | crashanddie | because ATMs are usually (if not always) third party, and it's the company that is supposed to do the maintenance |
| 14:51.43 | crashanddie | well, ATMs don't really require multitasking :P |
| 14:51.52 | crashanddie | you can't even display the balance and withdraw cash at the same time :D |
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| 14:52.56 | PerfDave | Hey, there's nothing wrong with having porn on a USB drive :p |
| 14:53.02 | tobis87 | crashanddie: i even see some siemens nixdorf's are still in use |
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| 14:54.32 | tobis87 | PerfDave: Nah, I'm old enough that I don't need to hide my collection. :-D , it's more about swap and the stuff you do on it. |
| 14:55.00 | MohammadAG51 | ugh, i hate it when microb can't scroll with the mouse/ts |
| 14:55.31 | crashanddie | tobis87: considering how old the display server is, ssh and how buggy busybox is, I'm sure there are plenty of attack vectors other than a coldboot or swap dump |
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| 14:57.16 | MohammadAG51 | how do i restart browserd after stopping it |
| 14:58.26 | MNZ | MohammadAG51, a quick grep yeilds /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon.init |
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| 15:02.47 | tobis87 | crashanddie: if you can do it, why shouldn't you do it... nmap n900_outside_ip gives "All 1000 scanned ports are closed", you will always find a way to exploit a device locally. i just say firewire dma :) |
| 15:03.46 | crashanddie | and a mobile phone is inherently local |
| 15:04.26 | crashanddie | I come by your desk, have access to your phone, sit next to you on the bus, have access to your phone, heck, if we take bluetooth hacks into account, even taking a piss in the same bathroom as you is local |
| 15:05.11 | kerio | the ultimate hack would be to piss on it |
| 15:05.29 | kerio | explain *that* to nokia care |
| 15:05.29 | crashanddie | heck, I'm almost willing to bet that as we speak, there's an app going easily through the QA process that is about to send each and everyone's keypresses wide into the internet |
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| 15:06.38 | MohammadAG51 | MNZ, hmm, ty, browser still doesn't open pages |
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| 15:09.22 | tobis87 | crashanddie: it always depends on how much you trust a program, there is a lot of crap, but people still think they need it. i do run tshark, from time to time to check, well except there also could be a rootkit in the background. |
| 15:09.55 | crashanddie | tobis87: well, if you install any new apps in the next month or two, there definitely will be. |
| 15:10.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | uh? |
| 15:11.26 | tobis87 | crashanddie: ?, nokiasiemens enhanced update? :-D |
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| 15:12.46 | Duckboot | crashanddie: http://www.rootkit.nl/projects/rootkit_hunter.html |
| 15:13.21 | tobis87 | http://www.security-projects.com/?Unhide |
| 15:14.39 | kerio | monolithic kernel ftw |
| 15:15.31 | crashanddie | Duckboot: I don't see Maemo in there ;) |
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| 15:18.13 | crashanddie | "The first operators employed by the Bell Telephone Company were young boys who worked standing up. Only after several years did it occur to anybody to provide them with chairs." |
| 15:19.17 | crashanddie | In other news, the first choirboys singing in catholic churches had to study their text being bent over. Only after several hundred years did it occur to anybody that there may be something wrong with this. |
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| 15:21.38 | RST38h | #meego vaguely remembers comparing flahs memory prices in .PL vs .RU and they were the same |
| 15:23.54 | Duckboot | crashanddie: I might package that one for Maemo. |
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| 15:25.50 | kerio | crashanddie: lol |
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| 15:27.09 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/08/26/switched-from-catorise-to-apmefo/ |
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| 15:44.40 | VladNistor | says hello |
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| 15:46.28 | VladNistor | i seem to have an issue with my N900, my clock is not showing up and it freezez when I try to open anything from the menu |
| 15:46.33 | VladNistor | even after flashing it |
| 15:47.02 | VladNistor | and I still have my contacts after flashing, which shouldn't happen if I read the wiki correctly |
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| 15:47.42 | VladNistor | and what I mean bu clock is anything to the right of my menu button until the app title, basically the notification area |
| 15:48.09 | crashanddie | the contacts shouldn't be deleted |
| 15:48.14 | crashanddie | unless you flash the rootfs as well |
| 15:49.29 | VladNistor | I see, i did a firware update basically, thought it would get rid of the problem |
| 15:49.37 | VladNistor | but it's unasble as a phone now |
| 15:50.38 | VladNistor | and I can't mount it as a drive to back up my back-ups |
| 15:51.48 | tobis87 | Could you do df -h in xterm? Maybe the partitions are somehow messed up. |
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| 15:52.10 | VladNistor | i just don't get the option on the phone to select mass storage |
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| 15:52.46 | VladNistor | i have xterm access, yes |
| 15:52.47 | tobis87 | You mean, if you connect it with usb, it doesn't give you the option? |
| 15:53.00 | VladNistor | nope, some of the stuff doesn't work |
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| 15:54.20 | VladNistor | for example if I get a call, I can answer it, but after the call ends i can't use the device anymore, need to do a hard restart for it to work again |
| 15:54.22 | VladNistor | it just hangs |
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| 15:54.53 | VladNistor | and because i just flashed the firmware i don't know if i have ssh |
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| 15:55.29 | tobis87 | you should try to flash it completly, root and emmc. |
| 15:55.55 | VladNistor | yeah, but i'd need my backup off my emmc first :( |
| 15:56.02 | tobis87 | maybe something is messed up in /home/user |
| 15:56.09 | VladNistor | wonders why he didn't back up the backup |
| 15:56.27 | VladNistor | probably so, some settings somewhere |
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| 15:57.48 | tobis87 | yeah, that is why i asked you about the option on usb. what os do you use on your pc? you could mount a network share and copy important stuff over. |
| 15:57.49 | churl | so you |
| 15:57.53 | churl | sorry |
| 15:58.05 | churl | so you guys hear about making calls from gmail? |
| 15:58.29 | VladNistor | the output of df -h seems ok |
| 15:58.41 | VladNistor | ubuntu maverick |
| 15:59.07 | tobis87 | have you set up a nfs server on ubuntu? |
| 15:59.37 | VladNistor | lemme check |
| 16:00.05 | VladNistor | nope, i can install it though |
| 16:01.46 | VladNistor | tobis87, you're suggesting mounting the share and copying what I need. interesting |
| 16:02.30 | tobis87 | after you got nfs working on ubuntu, on n900, sudo gainroot, add extra-devel. apt-get install nfs-common, /etc/init.d/portmapper start, /etc/init.d/nfs-common start. mount ip-adress:/share /media/folder |
| 16:02.53 | tobis87 | cp -r important_stuff /media/folder |
| 16:03.24 | VladNistor | yeah, small problem :)) i don't have root on the n900 as i just flashed it |
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| 16:03.58 | tobis87 | apt-get install rootsh |
| 16:04.53 | PerfDave | Hmm, do you need to run portmapper and nfs-common on the N900 to mount a remote NFS share? |
| 16:05.38 | VladNistor | i'm not permitted :)) |
| 16:05.53 | tobis87 | i'm not sure about nfs-common, but portmapper, yes... |
| 16:05.55 | VladNistor | i'm user, not root, so can't command line such stuff |
| 16:06.04 | VladNistor | yeah, i installed what I need :) |
| 16:06.11 | VladNistor | on the ubuntu i mean |
| 16:06.49 | VladNistor | do you know the command for the app-manager in maemo? |
| 16:07.06 | tobis87 | you have to install it from the application manager then, but you said that it always crashes, right? no, don't know the name |
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| 16:08.09 | VladNistor | yeah, i just tried through the menu, now the phone just stalls |
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| 16:10.20 | tobis87 | VladNistor: Did you recently tried some hacks, for hildon or oc your device? My n900 also reboots if I open a folder with many pictures to fast. it the modified hildonfm from mece_, but i know how to avoid it, just need to wait a litlle bit after opening a folder. |
| 16:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | hildon-application-manager or hildon-application-manager.launch |
| 16:10.40 | VladNistor | yeah |
| 16:10.55 | VladNistor | it was Oc'd amd I tried M's hildon stuff |
| 16:11.07 | VladNistor | but i reinstalled hildon and the kernel after i got the issue |
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| 16:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | and the modules? |
| 16:11.37 | VladNistor | it doesn't reboot, mine just hangs there |
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| 16:12.00 | VladNistor | yes, i had some kernel modules installed |
| 16:12.19 | VladNistor | i did have some sort of kernel crash a few days ago |
| 16:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, have fun... |
| 16:12.48 | tobis87 | mmh, i think it was not a good idea to allow precompiled kernel modules. some are for the old kernel before pr1.2. |
| 16:13.01 | tobis87 | and are not updated |
| 16:13.11 | VladNistor | but the phone worked well until yesterday |
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| 16:13.27 | VladNistor | i would have expected stuff to go wrong after an update or smth |
| 16:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc |
| 16:13.44 | infobot | omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! |
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| 16:14.54 | tobis87 | open xterm, and do find . -mtime -X (X are the number of dates ago it worked), you could also do this in /lib/modules or /etc |
| 16:15.52 | VladNistor | i had the oc installed but haven't actually run above 600 vor a few days |
| 16:17.08 | VladNistor | what am I looking for exactly? |
| 16:18.00 | tobis87 | VladNistor: It's not a good idea, but it also shouldn't fry your device instancly. Check the modules in /lib/modules, if they are the right ones. But your problem is that you can't install rootsh, which you need in order to backup your data, before you do a full reflash |
| 16:18.30 | VladNistor | yeah, it is. lemme see if i can run the hildon-app* |
| 16:19.08 | VladNistor | wow, options no longer have names, they're like ai_li_uninstall |
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| 16:20.16 | VladNistor | let's see if it can update the app lists |
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| 16:21.01 | tobis87 | could you try fsck.ext3? but i think you need to remount the home partion ro first, if this is even possible. |
| 16:21.10 | VladNistor | is it normal for stuff to no longer have the display name... like it's saying wdgtbstop instead of Stop |
| 16:21.31 | VladNistor | yeah, ext3 needs to be offline methinks |
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| 16:22.23 | VladNistor | oh, and the phone gets quite warm, which didn't happen before :-? |
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| 16:23.35 | tobis87 | as i said, probably the home partion is messed up. taking the battery out to restart is not very healthy, if the phone stalles. |
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| 16:23.56 | VladNistor | i keep the power button pressed and it dies |
| 16:24.26 | VladNistor | yeah, so I managed to install rootsh, but now i got a notification and it stalled, this is fun |
| 16:25.20 | VladNistor | i'm restarting now... thanks for the help btw :) |
| 16:26.06 | tobis87 | has the same effect. the n900 should really have a sysrq key. so you could restart it if it's stalled. |
| 16:26.21 | tobis87 | no problem |
| 16:26.27 | VladNistor | i bet they weren't expecting it to stall, lol |
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| 16:28.01 | tobis87 | I had to work with on a server recently, and only a mac keyboard was availible. these also don't have a sysrq key. |
| 16:28.58 | VladNistor | heh, they thinks osx doesn't breal |
| 16:29.01 | VladNistor | break |
| 16:29.49 | tobis87 | the grub entry was wrong, and there was no way to reboot the machine than pushing the power button. no reboot, init, halt worked. |
| 16:30.21 | tobis87 | after fixing it. |
| 16:31.45 | VladNistor | heh |
| 16:31.56 | VladNistor | alright, i need to setup a ntfs share in ubuntu now, brb |
| 16:32.14 | tobis87 | no the server runs debian, but they are all apple fan boys... |
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| 16:33.26 | ToeiRei | Hi |
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| 16:33.45 | tobis87 | cat "/sharename ip_broadcast_adress (e.g. 192.168.0.0/24) (rw,root_squash,no_subtree_check,async)" > /etc/exports |
| 16:34.38 | tobis87 | "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart" |
| 16:34.58 | ToeiRei | Is there a difference from the users point of view regarding flashing a rootfs and just 'updating' via Software updater app? |
| 16:35.18 | mgedmin | ToeiRei, yes |
| 16:35.35 | mgedmin | flashing removes all 3rd party apps you had installed |
| 16:36.00 | ToeiRei | mgedmin: disregarding 3rd party apps and resetting anything to 'factory' |
| 16:36.05 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: It depends, how much stuff you have installed, how much space you have and dist-upgrades mess much more stuff up. |
| 16:36.31 | ToeiRei | I see... I just got a new N900 |
| 16:36.32 | mgedmin | flashing is more reliable; upgrading is usually more convenient (no need to back up/restore stuff) |
| 16:36.40 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: Do a flash. |
| 16:36.50 | zash | Do a barrel roll! |
| 16:37.08 | ToeiRei | okay. Now this will get interesting. |
| 16:37.11 | VladNistor | thanks tobis87, i was folloing a guid, just did that :)) |
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| 16:38.30 | ToeiRei | okay... I found a howto on flashing and the device is at the charger... but regarding the images, what's the fiasco image? |
| 16:39.08 | ToeiRei | well... the fiasco is that I can't find a proper one.. |
| 16:39.38 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: It depends, how much you have already done on your n900. You don't need to flash emmc. Do however open xterm first, and enter touch .cherry_state |
| 16:40.04 | ToeiRei | terminal? uhm... that sounds scary. |
| 16:40.05 | tobis87 | or was the file called |
| 16:40.23 | ToeiRei | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php gives me a number of images. |
| 16:40.42 | ToeiRei | eMMC and PR Versions |
| 16:40.46 | tobis87 | yes, after you update to pr1.2 it sends a sms to nokia with your data... if you create that file, the sms is skipped. |
| 16:41.06 | tobis87 | well, there is also a package for this. mom |
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| 16:41.32 | ToeiRei | tobis87: I don't want to brick the N900... |
| 16:41.51 | ToeiRei | I'm familiar to the bash regarding linux |
| 16:41.55 | VladNistor | tobis87, on my N900 i used mount address:/where-on/my/pc /home/user/MyDocs/remote but it's not giving any feedback |
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| 16:42.13 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: you will, sometime in the future... |
| 16:42.56 | ToeiRei | tobis87: I am working with linux already... I helped developing the btrfs at the kernel :P |
| 16:43.24 | VladNistor | don't I need to install smth with nfs on maemo? |
| 16:45.06 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: open xterm and do "> .cherry_state" this will prevend the n900 from sending a sms after flashing |
| 16:45.32 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 16:46.08 | ToeiRei | ah... in /home/user. |
| 16:46.09 | tobis87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.25 | ToeiRei | file created. |
| 16:46.40 | VladNistor | i see, so should i do it on the 2gb one? |
| 16:46.46 | VladNistor | *one=partition |
| 16:46.51 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: yes, now you can flash. |
| 16:47.33 | ToeiRei | okay... so I can use RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 16:47.40 | tobis87 | VladNistor: Is the 2gb one the home? The home is ext3, so yes |
| 16:48.03 | VladNistor | tobis87, alright, so i don't need to install anything else then? |
| 16:48.17 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: Yes, that is the right one... |
| 16:48.41 | ToeiRei | okay. so this is the fiasco image they're talking about in the howto? |
| 16:49.13 | tobis87 | VladNistor: No, you shouln't. I hope you don't have any firewall active. Maybe you have to check etc/hosts.allow as well on Ubuntu |
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| 16:50.30 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: Just check the filesize the fiasco is smaller, since it doesn't need to restore emmc. |
| 16:51.36 | ToeiRei | tobis87: it is smaller. |
| 16:51.41 | ToeiRei | I'll give it a shot |
| 16:53.43 | VladNistor | alright, so i did mount 192.168.1.3:/home/nistor/N900 /home/remote |
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| 16:54.02 | VladNistor | the hosts.allow is empty, should I enter something there you think? |
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| 16:54.35 | tobis87 | VladNistor: You also have to check for the permission of the folder you export. And if it is mounted, I think you can only copy as non-root because of root_squash |
| 16:54.56 | tobis87 | VladNistor: No, this is only needed if you can't mount it |
| 16:55.23 | VladNistor | yeah, i think i'm not connected to the network with the n900, sucks having no notification area... |
| 16:55.41 | VladNistor | application manager should connect fine :)) |
| 16:55.54 | tobis87 | but how could you mount it, if you are not connected? |
| 16:56.05 | ToeiRei | okay - it is flashing |
| 16:56.09 | ToeiRei | yay :) |
| 16:56.23 | lbt | wonders how many maemo devs are interested in the movement towards MeeGo... |
| 16:56.40 | Stskeeps | lbt: i was wondering about a poll earlier |
| 16:56.44 | tobis87 | ToeiRei: Make sure you flash kernel and root without restart. |
| 16:57.04 | Stskeeps | "gtk, wanting to move to meego" "gtk, want to stay in maemo", "qt, want to move to meego", "qt, want to stay in meego" or "qt, want to go to symbian".. |
| 16:57.06 | ToeiRei | I used the command from the wiki |
| 16:57.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:57.12 | lbt | Stskeeps: I *nearly* suggested it.... |
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| 16:57.20 | lbt | but I wanted qualitative... |
| 16:57.32 | ToeiRei | kernel flashed, CMT flashed |
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| 17:02.50 | VladNistor | yeah, i know :( |
| 17:02.58 | ToeiRei | thanks |
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| 17:08.20 | VladNistor | tobis97, it just sits there, no feedback on what it's doing at the mount command |
| 17:08.56 | VladNistor | and i'm sure i'm online now :)) |
| 17:09.48 | VladNistor | oh, it says it failed: Input/output error |
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| 17:14.18 | tobis87 | try mount -o nolock 192.168.1.3:/home/nistor/N900 /home/remote |
| 17:17.41 | VladNistor | yeah, i got a call, rebooting :| |
| 17:18.03 | VladNistor | it said permission denied when i used mount -t nfs |
| 17:18.31 | VladNistor | i'll try with the -o nolock :) |
| 17:19.00 | tobis87 | your export should be: /home/nistor/N900 /home/remote 192.168.0.0/24(rw,root_squash,no_subtree_check,async) |
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| 17:19.16 | tobis87 | argh no, /home/nistor/N900 192.168.0.0/24(rw,root_squash,no_subtree_check,async) |
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| 17:19.32 | tobis87 | no /home/nistor/N900 /home/remote 192.168.1.0/24(rw,root_squash,no_subtree_check,async) |
| 17:20.05 | tobis87 | i'd not have enough coffee today /home/nistor/N900 192.168.1.0/24(rw,root_squash,no_subtree_check,async) |
| 17:21.17 | tobis87 | hosts.deny: ALL : ALL |
| 17:21.26 | tobis87 | hosts.allow: ALL : localhost : ALLOW |
| 17:21.32 | tobis87 | portmap : 192.168.1.0/24 : ALLOW |
| 17:21.37 | tobis87 | nfsd : 192.168.1.0/24 : ALLOW |
| 17:21.41 | tobis87 | mountd : 192.168.1.0/24 : ALLOW |
| 17:23.47 | tobis87 | and you need to restart nfs-kernel-server and portmapper |
| 17:25.03 | VladNistor | nolock works mate, thanks a bunch |
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| 17:26.02 | tobis87 | try to copy the files first, before you thank me. there could still be some permisson problems. |
| 17:31.59 | VladNistor | yeah, just issued the command, nothing going on yet, let's see :)) |
| 17:32.12 | VladNistor | i could make a dir in /home/remote, so i dunno |
| 17:34.19 | VladNistor | it wrote a couple of files so i guess it's working |
| 17:34.46 | tobis87 | it does not show, what it is doing, if you use cp -vr it should be verbose. |
| 17:35.47 | tobis87 | That was hard work, I hope you really need these files. I would always save important stuff on the sd card. |
| 17:35.50 | VladNistor | it's quite slow, only wrote 700k so far :)) |
| 17:36.00 | VladNistor | i don't have an sd card :( |
| 17:37.32 | tobis87 | yes, i have seen this as well, i thought it was only a problem with openvpn. i tried using nfs over openvpn. so nfs is already slow, but why? power saving? |
| 17:38.33 | VladNistor | i have no clue, reduced the size of the transfer, not taking everything i wanted, it would take days :)) |
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| 17:41.20 | tobis87 | is net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling enabled? check "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling", if it returns 0, do as root echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
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| 17:42.08 | VladNistor | on N900 or Ubuntu? |
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| 17:42.58 | tobis87 | both, mmh, but this can't be really the issue. |
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| 17:43.54 | VladNistor | they both have 1 :) |
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| 17:44.56 | tobis87 | I don't now than. But I would also like to know why nfs is so slow on the n900. |
| 17:46.10 | VladNistor | yeah, me too |
| 17:48.42 | tobis87 | let's test some stuff... do echo 16777216 > /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_max; echo 16777216 > /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max |
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| 17:50.25 | tobis87 | echo "4096 87380 16777216" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem; echo "4096 65536 16777216" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem |
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| 17:51.35 | tobis87 | echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps; echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack |
| 17:52.34 | VladNistor | sorry, i was fixing something to eat while i wait |
| 17:52.51 | VladNistor | tobis87, on both, right? |
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| 17:53.13 | tobis87 | on both machines and try it again. i hope it helps, disabling sack, and timestamps should reduce the cpu load and the other stuff increases the max buffer for tcp. |
| 17:53.15 | tobis87 | yes |
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| 17:54.17 | VladNistor | it says permission denied on the ubuntu |
| 17:54.19 | VladNistor | with sudo also |
| 17:54.36 | tobis87 | which command |
| 17:54.41 | VladNistor | first |
| 17:54.50 | VladNistor | echo 16777216 > /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_max; echo 16777216 > /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max |
| 17:55.07 | tobis87 | you have to be root, not sudo. sudo su and than the command again |
| 17:55.11 | zash | VladNistor: sudo echo foo > somefile isn't opening the file with sudo permissions |
| 17:55.22 | zash | VladNistor: try echo ... | sudo tee /proc/sys... |
| 17:55.28 | VladNistor | oh, i see |
| 17:55.30 | VladNistor | thanks |
| 17:56.01 | zash | since > redirection is done by the shell |
| 18:00.26 | VladNistor | it's not copying anything :| |
| 18:00.54 | VladNistor | i gave it the copy -r source destination but nothing is written on my hard drive |
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| 18:01.29 | tobis87 | you should also try to mount the nfs share with mount -o nolock,hard,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 192.168.1.3:/home/nistor/N900 /home/remote |
| 18:02.05 | VladNistor | alright, i'll try that :) |
| 18:02.14 | VladNistor | in a minute though |
| 18:02.15 | tobis87 | mmh, and do cp -rv |
| 18:03.42 | tobis87 | and make sure there is async in exports |
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| 18:09.44 | VladNistor | there is async |
| 18:10.01 | VladNistor | and i got a call and had to restart :| |
| 18:11.14 | tobis87 | forget the /proc/sys stuff, I'm sure rsize and wsize will improve it. |
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| 18:15.13 | VladNistor | thanks, the -rv option doesn't work, it seems to have a problem with the v |
| 18:17.04 | VladNistor | doesn't seem to like that :)) |
| 18:17.21 | tobis87 | do you have coreutils installed? it would be gcp then |
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| 18:17.41 | VladNistor | man, thanks, it's 10000000 times faster :D |
| 18:17.57 | tobis87 | warp speed! |
| 18:18.16 | VladNistor | 40 mb so far :)) |
| 18:19.43 | VladNistor | yeah, it slowed a bit, but it's good :) |
| 18:20.21 | tobis87 | when will anything ever work on the n900, without hours of work. At least we have again learned something from it. |
| 18:20.47 | tobis87 | up until the next call :-D |
| 18:22.20 | VladNistor | yup, seems to have stopped though, nothing added in a minute :-? |
| 18:24.35 | tobis87 | don't know maybe it swaps out to disk. |
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| 18:26.26 | tobis87 | have you changed the default swapiness? it uses the unused memory, as a buffer. |
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| 18:28.04 | VladNistor | hasn't done anything in like 5 minutes |
| 18:28.26 | VladNistor | then again i don't know how big the file is... |
| 18:28.35 | tobis87 | how? |
| 18:28.48 | tobis87 | gls -Fho |
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| 18:30.00 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:30.11 | tobis87 | or ls -h for busybox I think |
| 18:31.13 | th3hate | how to make busybox support bash commands? |
| 18:31.31 | johnsq | use bash |
| 18:31.39 | MohammadAG51 | install bash and don't use busybox |
| 18:31.53 | th3hate | the package is called bash? |
| 18:31.56 | johnsq | MohammadAG51: ^5 :) |
| 18:32.11 | VladNistor | doesn't work |
| 18:32.26 | MohammadAG51 | bash or bash3, not sure |
| 18:32.26 | VladNistor | the Fho, but there are 6 files and i only have 2 |
| 18:32.35 | tobis87 | apt-get install coreutils-gnu bash |
| 18:32.37 | MohammadAG51 | johnsq, ^C |
| 18:33.22 | tobis87 | echo "source /etc/bash.bashrc" >> /etc/profile |
| 18:33.34 | tobis87 | and reopen xterm |
| 18:33.46 | VladNistor | hmmm, i doubt it's normal for the transfer to not do anything, and i'm sure i'm online |
| 18:34.01 | tobis87 | you can also edit /sbin/gainroot and change sh to bash |
| 18:35.56 | tobis87 | VladNistor: I don't know, but your n900 is serious borked. How important is this file for you? Is it an encrypted container, or why is that file so big? |
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| 18:36.13 | VladNistor | it's the backed up contacts and settings |
| 18:36.23 | VladNistor | and app list :)) |
| 18:37.40 | VladNistor | oh, i'm gonna try something else, i think i have the contacts exported somewhere |
| 18:38.45 | MohammadAG51 | how big is it? |
| 18:38.50 | tobis87 | Do you really need the settings and the apps? Every day there are new versions in extra and -devel, you won't be able to restore all apps without work anyway. You could write down your contacts on paper. |
| 18:39.12 | VladNistor | total is 87 mb |
| 18:39.41 | MohammadAG51 | heh, mine are around 65 or so |
| 18:39.48 | VladNistor | all 260 of them? =)) |
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| 18:40.32 | VladNistor | i did a ctr+c on the cp -r command and it doesn't stop :( |
| 18:40.32 | tobis87 | So, you got 40mb, before it stoped. Why don't you try to split the file or compress it? |
| 18:41.01 | VladNistor | they're 5 zips and a metadata |
| 18:41.36 | tobis87 | open another xterm, sudo gainroot; ps ax | grep cp; kill -9 (pid of cp) |
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| 18:43.06 | VladNistor | i have a udhcpc, would that be it? |
| 18:43.18 | VladNistor | it stopped, yay |
| 18:43.48 | tobis87 | yes, tar the stuff. and split it. |
| 18:45.13 | VladNistor | what are the options for tar again? i can |
| 18:45.17 | VladNistor | i can't remember them |
| 18:47.11 | MohammadAG51 | j for tar.bz2 |
| 18:47.14 | MohammadAG51 | z for tar.gz |
| 18:47.22 | tobis87 | tar cvf name.tar file file file .... |
| 18:47.24 | MohammadAG51 | x to extract, v for verbose |
| 18:47.31 | MohammadAG51 | c to create |
| 18:47.54 | VladNistor | yeah, i googled it :)) |
| 18:48.43 | tobis87 | but you should really use gtar, apt-get install gnu-tar, gtar czvf name.tar.gz file file file .... |
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| 18:49.42 | VladNistor | yeah, i should, but i don't have stuff installed on it |
| 18:49.50 | merlin1991 | tar vs gtar what exactly is the difference? |
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| 18:50.57 | tobis87 | merlin1991: i think gnu-tar supports more options. the default stuff on the n900 is busybox which is crap, if you are used to work with the gnu utils. |
| 18:51.43 | johnsq | merlin1991: the one does a good job in 10k the other need 100 mb for nothing more |
| 18:52.09 | johnsq | this is called the gnu syndrom |
| 18:52.31 | tobis87 | but you now really need to install coreutils, for gsplit. |
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| 18:55.28 | tobis87 | johnsq: it depends, i have if [ "$TERM" != "dumb" ]; then eval "`gdircolors -b`" alias gls='gls -Fho --color=auto --group-directories-first' alias ggrep='ggrep --color=auto' in /etc/bash.bashrc... working in xterm is much nicer with this. |
| 18:55.33 | frals | hmm |
| 18:55.43 | frals | what the requirements of being picked to maemo select? |
| 18:55.55 | frals | s/what/what's/ |
| 18:55.59 | mece | big boobs |
| 18:56.14 | johnsq | tobis87: iiiih colors.... |
| 18:56.48 | tobis87 | yes, grep is much nicer with color. search terms in red. |
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| 19:20.44 | rtyler | halp! would it be possible to change the default browser used when clicking on links and such to use Opera Mobile instead of the builtin Mozilla-based browser? |
| 19:20.50 | rtyler | is using an n900 FWIW |
| 19:20.55 | MohammadAG | * Loaded log from Tue Jun 22 14:25:34 2010 <-- ~ sweet ~ |
| 19:22.53 | satmd | rtyler: Browser Switchboard is in one of the repositories |
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| 19:36.03 | VladNistor | thanks tobis87, i've now flashed the emmc and it works like a charm :P |
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| 19:37.32 | MohammadAG | SDK installation fail |
| 19:37.38 | MohammadAG | Installing from Debian packages. |
| 19:37.38 | MohammadAG | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 19:37.38 | MohammadAG | Installation was successful! |
| 19:37.47 | rtyler | satmd: thanks for the tip :) |
| 19:39.23 | tobis87 | VladNistor: That was hard work, but why does it fail after 40MB? |
| 19:39.50 | VladNistor | i have no clue mate, maybe the connection droped :-? |
| 19:40.03 | VladNistor | i had no notification area so couldn't confirm visually |
| 19:41.06 | tobis87 | VladNistor: But tcp has a timeout of 2h. I think it's this power saving stuff. Can't this get disabled in the driver wl1252? |
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| 19:41.48 | VladNistor | it's happened to me quite often before i installed autodisconnect to get a wifi connection dropped |
| 19:41.49 | tobis87 | or have at least an option in /proc/sys |
| 19:42.09 | VladNistor | not as open as we'de like, is it? |
| 19:42.55 | tobis87 | VladNistor: autodisconnect, why? the driver already does this. depends, there is source for wl1252, but i think it requires a binary blob. |
| 19:43.40 | Stskeeps | wl1251 |
| 19:43.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:43.49 | VladNistor | i don't know, but i'd be surfing the web, reading a long page for example and 3-4 minutes later when i was done the connection was gone |
| 19:43.59 | VladNistor | wifi that is |
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| 19:46.43 | tobis87 | Stskeeps: wl1251, yes i didn't wanted to start the n900. again, i had enough to fumble today already. did you test nfs? i mean the n900 already brings the nfs kernel module with it. |
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| 19:48.00 | tobis87 | Stskeeps: can this be caused by the autodisconector? i also had slow speed with nfs over openvp. |
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| 19:49.06 | tobis87 | Stskeep: Mounting with rsize=8192,wsize=8192 really does improve the speed, but how can it break after some time? |
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| 19:58.20 | ShadowJK | wonders if skype on N810 is still "working" |
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| 20:09.39 | homeasvs | anyone know how I can further debug an /etc/init.d service that is not starting up for some reason ? |
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| 20:12.41 | tobis87 | homeasvs: the files in /etc/init.d/ are scripts. you can open them in vim, if you know what it does, e. g. foo bar, you can run gdb foo and then enter start bar in gdb |
| 20:13.38 | homeasvs | tobis87, the script runs fine when I run it as root by hand, but I'm wondering how I can debug why it doesn't start at boot time |
| 20:13.49 | homeasvs | the headers look the same as some other scripts that do startup, the dependencies exist, ... |
| 20:14.03 | homeasvs | afaict there is no system log being written, so don't know where any startup errors would end up either... |
| 20:14.43 | ShadowJK | oh wow, I enabled Skype on N900, and enabled "Show my location", it's eating so much power now :) |
| 20:16.26 | jacktheripper | apt-get dist-upgrade is spitting out this: |
| 20:16.37 | jacktheripper | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.38 | mgedmin | homeasvs, n900? |
| 20:16.38 | jacktheripper | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.42 | tobis87 | homeasvs: the n900 does not use init.d, it uses upstart |
| 20:16.45 | mgedmin | homeasvs, it doesn't use /etc/init.d |
| 20:16.52 | jacktheripper | I have a newer busybox. Where's the problem ? |
| 20:16.57 | mgedmin | homeasvs, you need to write an (old-style) upstrart script in /etc/init/ |
| 20:17.05 | mgedmin | wait, or was it /etc/event.d/? |
| 20:17.06 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, seems to be OK for me with rtcom location showing once it gets a fix. |
| 20:17.16 | mgedmin | one is old-style upstart, one is new-style upstart |
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| 20:18.19 | homeasvs | mgedmin, really ? ok, I'll check, I had no idea! |
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| 20:18.53 | tobis87 | you even have to add an entry to event.d in order to load modules on boot |
| 20:18.58 | kerio | jacktheripper: dist-upgrade is not meant to be used |
| 20:19.01 | kerio | by anyone |
| 20:19.02 | kerio | ever |
| 20:19.09 | kerio | it's there for... |
| 20:19.15 | kerio | why is dist-upgrade there? |
| 20:19.21 | jacktheripper | but how can I upgrade hildon-desktop ? |
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| 20:19.28 | ShadowJK | Everybody is supposed to use the GUI :) |
| 20:19.29 | kerio | apt-get update |
| 20:19.33 | kerio | apt-get upgrade |
| 20:19.37 | kerio | duh |
| 20:19.45 | jacktheripper | it's listed with the 'kept back' packages |
| 20:20.07 | mgedmin | jacktheripper, I'd say you have some repositories enabled that don't work properly for maemo |
| 20:20.45 | jacktheripper | could it be the community SSU's repo ? |
| 20:21.01 | mgedmin | can't say; I've never tried that one |
| 20:21.26 | mgedmin | I could try it |
| 20:21.37 | mgedmin | can you paste the relevant deb line from /etc/apt-sources.d/? |
| 20:21.42 | jacktheripper | the link is in #maemo-ssu |
| 20:21.47 | jacktheripper | there's a .install file if you prefer it |
| 20:21.53 | jacktheripper | I'll paste the line now, sec |
| 20:22.30 | jacktheripper | deb http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo fremantle-1.2.1 free |
| 20:22.35 | mgedmin | hm, maybe I should upgrade my n900 first |
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| 20:27.10 | MohammadAG | jacktheripper, you know... if I wanted to paste the line here in #maemo I wouldn't have made a channel for it |
| 20:28.29 | jacktheripper | uhh, he asked for it. |
| 20:28.51 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 20:29.13 | jacktheripper | and I don't know if the problem is coming from your repo. So I just asked here. |
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| 20:29.50 | MohammadAG | the repo is not ready for the general public, how'd you get the link anyways? |
| 20:30.06 | jacktheripper | #maemo-ssu |
| 20:30.10 | kerio | LOL GUYS I'M TOTALLY ADDING THAT REPO WHAT COULD GO WRONG |
| 20:30.30 | MohammadAG | nothing |
| 20:30.42 | MohammadAG | the only thing missing is a proper SSU package |
| 20:30.51 | kerio | so... it does nothing? |
| 20:30.58 | kerio | no, wait, what does it upgrade? |
| 20:31.03 | kerio | will stuff be newer? |
| 20:31.11 | MohammadAG | which I'm working on atm, I just need the EU mp-fremantle-203-pr package |
| 20:31.20 | MohammadAG | uh, I thought you weren't a noob |
| 20:31.40 | MohammadAG | need to rsync list of channels bah |
| 20:31.55 | jacktheripper | oh so I would better remove the repo until you're done with it ? |
| 20:32.15 | MohammadAG | If I was done with it you'd see an announce thread... |
| 20:32.53 | jacktheripper | okay then. Sorry for all the noise. |
| 20:33.26 | kerio | omg new modest and new hildon-* stuff SQUEEEEEEEEEE~ |
| 20:33.41 | MohammadAG | well, since no one here cba to post the damn 203 package, I'll rip it out of the firmware package |
| 20:33.45 | MohammadAG | lazy arses :P |
| 20:34.00 | MohammadAG | or... I could drop support for EU users |
| 20:34.05 | MohammadAG | who cares about those anyways :P |
| 20:34.35 | kerio | MohammadAG: i think anyone who's not using the generic one deserves it |
| 20:34.52 | MohammadAG | generic support is already there, you can upgrade |
| 20:35.18 | MohammadAG | 16 mins to download a damn file for a 16kb package |
| 20:35.33 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:36.10 | MohammadAG | kerio, before you upgrade |
| 20:36.18 | MohammadAG | what version of modest does PR1.2 have? |
| 20:36.26 | kerio | cba to check, playing transformice |
| 20:36.32 | MohammadAG | o_o |
| 20:36.33 | kerio | it's not like i use modest anyway |
| 20:36.37 | MohammadAG | disables repo |
| 20:36.42 | kerio | lol |
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| 20:38.16 | kerio | MohammadAG: not to be insulting, but i have no way to reflash as of now |
| 20:38.23 | kerio | and i like my n900 working |
| 20:38.29 | kerio | :3 |
| 20:38.39 | mgedmin | MohammadAG, modest 3.2.13-3+0m5 |
| 20:38.39 | kerio | it's not that i don't trust you or anything |
| 20:38.43 | MohammadAG | I don't get a word you're saying, repo disabled for now |
| 20:38.50 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, ty |
| 20:39.59 | kerio | MohammadAG: not using your repo now, probably will do that once the usb is fixed |
| 20:40.06 | MohammadAG | it's disabled |
| 20:40.11 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo |
| 20:40.43 | kerio | i read that as mohammadawg, not sure hwy |
| 20:40.43 | kerio | *why |
| 20:40.45 | jacktheripper | usb is fixed ? is it broken ? |
| 20:41.04 | kerio | my microusb port is brok |
| 20:41.12 | kerio | :( |
| 20:41.15 | jacktheripper | heh, thought it's in the software |
| 20:41.18 | jacktheripper | good luck with that |
| 20:41.23 | kerio | it's not about luck |
| 20:41.32 | kerio | it's about bugging the nokia care enough to get an instant replacement |
| 20:41.34 | kerio | :D |
| 20:41.45 | kerio | no downtime is the best downtime |
| 20:41.57 | jacktheripper | lol |
| 20:42.11 | kerio | getting it fixed is... meh |
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| 20:43.43 | kerio | the screen has minor problems, the internal battery sucks, the screen cover is all scratched, the red camera led is MIA |
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| 20:43.58 | kerio | it's only fair for nokia to provide me with a full replacement, right? :P |
| 20:44.03 | tripzero | do we know what harmattan's package management format is? |
| 20:44.13 | jacktheripper | of course! |
| 20:44.20 | mgedmin | I'm confused |
| 20:44.28 | kerio | tripzero: it should be dpkg |
| 20:44.31 | kerio | last i heard |
| 20:44.46 | tripzero | will still use autobuilder then? |
| 20:44.47 | mgedmin | if I have bzr 2.0.2-0ubuntu1maemo0, and extras-devel has bzr 2.0.2-0ubuntu1maemo0 (same version!), why does apt-get want to upgrade bzr? |
| 20:44.55 | tripzero | wonders how community packages will work |
| 20:45.14 | Jaffa | tripzero: That's what's currently being discussed on meego-* |
| 20:46.01 | tripzero | hopefully, some resources will be put around the meego public obs |
| 20:46.39 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, probably because you installed the one you have using dpkg, instead of the repos |
| 20:46.51 | Jaffa | tripzero: See achipa & qgil's sub-thread on meego-community in the "Building apps which require proprietary code on the MeeGo OBS" |
| 20:47.12 | mgedmin | MohammadAG, you're probably right -- I tested the deb before uploading it to extras |
| 20:47.17 | mgedmin | I didn't know apt remembered such details |
| 20:48.01 | kerio | repo has priority over local |
| 20:49.52 | mgedmin | apt is incredibly slow on the n900 |
| 20:50.08 | tripzero | flash is slow |
| 20:50.09 | mgedmin | I wonder if rpm will be an improvement in this aspect |
| 20:50.16 | tripzero | doubtful |
| 20:50.38 | kerio | apt is pretty fast here :| |
| 20:51.18 | MNZ | * confirmed apt is fast, marking as wontfix |
| 20:51.28 | kerio | NOTABUG |
| 20:51.36 | tripzero | hehe |
| 20:51.40 | MNZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.48 | GAN900 | mgedmin, probably hardware more than software. |
| 20:52.48 | MohammadAG | <mgedmin> I wonder if rpm will be an improvement in this aspect |
| 20:53.00 | MohammadAG | download fedora, chroot into it, try it |
| 20:53.08 | MohammadAG | you'll facepalm immediately |
| 20:53.26 | MNZ | we should use yum |
| 20:53.41 | MNZ | I like making a sandwich before my packages start installing. |
| 20:53.50 | MNZ | It lets you relax you know? yummmm |
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| 20:54.28 | tripzero | zypper ftw |
| 20:54.53 | tobis87 | don't remember me on this rpm stuff, i had a hell of time using rpm with yum ~8 years ago. |
| 20:55.12 | tripzero | i hear it's improved a bit in the last 8 years |
| 20:55.34 | tripzero | but speed has only improved as computers have gotten faster during that time |
| 20:55.36 | MNZ | I used yum sometimes last year, marking as NOTFUN |
| 20:56.04 | tobis87 | yeah, but software improves in general. why should i try to use a tool which i did not liked some years ago. if there are valid alternatives. |
| 20:57.03 | tobis87 | i like arch with pacman as well as deb of corse. But arch breaks too much stuff if you update. |
| 20:58.14 | tobis87 | I think it Frugalware with LXDE is quiete nice, seen it a week ago on Distrowatch... Might give it a try, there will also be a new release this month. |
| 20:58.22 | mgedmin | used red hat 5.4 a long time ago, before switching to Debian |
| 20:58.41 | mgedmin | I had the impression rpm was faster than apt back then |
| 20:58.42 | MNZ | my fav package management was slackware's.... |
| 20:58.46 | mgedmin | because it tried to do less? |
| 20:59.02 | mgedmin | because it had binary databases (that kept being corrupted) instead of plain text files that take ages to load? |
| 20:59.15 | tobis87 | MNZ: I'm too young for slackware, never used it. |
| 20:59.38 | MNZ | mgedmin, I'm not speaking of rpm itself, but yum.... |
| 21:00.19 | mgedmin | admittedly I was talking about the combination (apt-get + dpkg) and hoping meego's use of zypper (?) + rpm might be an improvement in at least one respect |
| 21:00.21 | MNZ | tobis87, you should try LFS :D it's quite a bit of fun to install (and maintain) a working copy of LFS |
| 21:00.38 | mgedmin | iirc writing an rpm .spec file was also much easier than writing debian/* |
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| 21:01.40 | MNZ | mgedmin, that, I will give you. debian/* is quite hellish :/ |
| 21:02.26 | tobis87 | MNZ: I had enough experience with Gentoo. It's nice to have the newest stuff. But really if you are able to use dpkg-buildpackage, patch and so on, it's not that hard to backport debian packages to older releases. |
| 21:03.11 | tobis87 | Eventually your base system will be from the stone-age... But well, I'm not in the mood of updating my system every year. |
| 21:03.29 | tobis87 | I mean dist-upgrade |
| 21:03.30 | PerfDave | TBH the problem is less with the packaging format, and more with the QA process for the distro. IMHO Debian has it best, but there are apt-based distributions which are worse than some rpm-based ones. |
| 21:03.38 | mgedmin | tobis87, want to give a try and backport collectd to Ubuntu 6.06/ |
| 21:03.40 | mgedmin | ? |
| 21:03.53 | mgedmin | tried, gave up |
| 21:04.15 | tobis87 | mgedmin: Nah, I've recently backported Firefox 3.6.8 to Ubuntu 7.10 |
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| 21:08.21 | tobis87 | I hate that I wasn't able to backport Dolphin (The new GameCube, Wii emulator) |
| 21:09.26 | crashanddie | tobis87: i think the whole point about gentoo was that with a simple write-once-use-many ebuild files, anyone could deploy a specific version of a package |
| 21:09.41 | crashanddie | tobis87: whereas with debian, you actually need to build the package, then transfer the binary |
| 21:09.57 | rd | Does anybody know if I can use an external bluetooth GPS mouse instead of the built-in GPS receiver in the N900? |
| 21:10.21 | kerio | gps mouse? |
| 21:10.23 | kerio | :o |
| 21:10.23 | GAN900 | crashanddie, no. |
| 21:10.25 | tobis87 | mgedmin: Too much work, really... But somehow sad that you always have to do the whole configuration again, while everything works... for new features and security. |
| 21:10.27 | kerio | i think you can |
| 21:10.31 | GAN900 | rd, yes. |
| 21:10.48 | rd | how to I tell the N900 to use the external mouse? |
| 21:11.20 | crashanddie | GAN900: well, the point about their ebuild files, not "the whole point of gentoo", obviously |
| 21:11.37 | mgedmin | rd, it is hardcoded the way out in some respects (e.g. the X server is hacked so that it will never display a mouse cursor), iirc |
| 21:12.28 | rd | I am not talking about a mouse, but a GPS receiver (often called GPS mouse, not sure why, maybe because of the form factor?) |
| 21:12.31 | tobis87 | crashanddie: Have you tried to rebuild world? I've failed so often, it is just unstable... I don't like if you have to hunt for patches and do reverse-dependencies. |
| 21:13.04 | crashanddie | yeah, rebuild world was a bitch |
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| 21:13.12 | crashanddie | I don't think I ever managed to go through a single one without failure |
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| 21:13.25 | crashanddie | or without removing dozens of commented lines in a poorly documented portage file |
| 21:13.25 | johnsq | tobis87: sorry, but gentoo unstable works since years perfect for me |
| 21:14.16 | PerfDave | Yay, distro wars, the most interesting thing on IRC :) |
| 21:14.49 | kerio | gentoo stage1 > else |
| 21:14.51 | johnsq | tobis87: but i don't use kde + gnome |
| 21:14.52 | crashanddie | ok, I'll change the subject |
| 21:14.58 | tobis87 | depends, the first months it is all fancy to rebuild programs from scratch, cflags and all this stuff.... But really, I now want it stable... |
| 21:15.07 | kerio | -O8 |
| 21:15.21 | crashanddie | African debt: 200-something billion dollars |
| 21:15.39 | crashanddie | Planned cost of the Iraq war: 60 billion |
| 21:15.40 | tobis87 | kerio: -ffast-math -funroll and all this stuff |
| 21:15.47 | crashanddie | Actual cost? 3000 billion. |
| 21:15.48 | rd | found it: through settings, location I can add an external GPS receiver. |
| 21:15.56 | mgedmin | tobis87, Settings -> Location -> Pair new device? |
| 21:16.06 | kerio | --get-something-done |
| 21:16.07 | GAN900 | crashanddie, Quake Live. Keep up. :P |
| 21:16.09 | mgedmin | sorry, that was to rd |
| 21:16.20 | mgedmin | I need better tools to help me chat on irc |
| 21:16.23 | crashanddie | GAN900: that was so almost 9 hours ago |
| 21:16.34 | rd | mgedmin, yes that works, thank you. |
| 21:16.35 | mgedmin | xchat doesn't even try to help untangle conversations |
| 21:17.09 | tobis87 | funniest thing was mfpmath=sse,387 |
| 21:17.20 | tobis87 | mgedmin: Sorry? |
| 21:17.30 | johnsq | mgedmin: turn on brain |
| 21:17.39 | mgedmin | tobis87, nick miscompletion/brain fart, please ignore |
| 21:17.55 | mgedmin | johnsq, brain is busy with other things |
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| 21:18.43 | johnsq | cmake didn't like qemu |
| 21:19.47 | mgedmin | actually, 20% of the brain is busy with other things; the remaining 80% seems to be missing |
| 21:20.10 | mgedmin | thank god for unit tests |
| 21:21.07 | GAN900 | crashanddie, asynchronous communications. Meh. :P |
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| 21:21.19 | crashanddie | GAN900: try email |
| 21:21.31 | crashanddie | GAN900: watch this: http://www.ted.com/talks/david_mccandless_the_beauty_of_data_visualization.html |
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| 21:22.26 | Gadgetoid_n900 | eeep my eyes! |
| 21:24.15 | Gadgetoid_n900 | Game gripper is wtfawesome! |
| 21:25.14 | ToJa92 | [Gadgetoid_n900]: You got it today? |
| 21:25.57 | Gadgetoid_n900 | got it last week, just got an n900 to test it with |
| 21:26.05 | ToJa92 | oh |
| 21:26.20 | ToJa92 | It thought it was pretty good but it should have been a little bit longer |
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| 21:27.08 | kerio | ToJa92: that's what she said |
| 21:27.16 | Gadgetoid_n900 | its a wee bit rough around the edges, and the power hole doesnt quite line up |
| 21:27.25 | kerio | Gadgetoid_n900: she also said that |
| 21:27.30 | ToJa92 | [kerio]: Yeah I guess, lol |
| 21:27.32 | Gadgetoid_n900 | but control wise- its really quite good |
| 21:27.48 | jacktheripper | Gadgetoid_n900: how does it connect to the phone ? |
| 21:27.50 | ToJa92 | only thing I don't think is perfect is the dpad |
| 21:28.03 | ToJa92 | [jacktheripper]: You slide it on over the keyboard |
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| 21:28.14 | jacktheripper | lol pretty smart |
| 21:28.30 | ToJa92 | yeah, it doesn't require any batteries either |
| 21:28.46 | ToJa92 | well apart from the fact that the n900 need battery |
| 21:29.11 | Gadgetoid_n900 | its not the best situation for creating a great d-pad, but theres still worse |
| 21:29.25 | Gadgetoid_n900 | its better than the xbox dpad anyway |
| 21:29.55 | kerio | what keys does it use for the dpad? |
| 21:30.01 | kerio | wadx? |
| 21:30.32 | ToJa92 | wasd |
| 21:30.36 | ToJa92 | and some other keys |
| 21:30.41 | ToJa92 | err |
| 21:30.45 | ToJa92 | wasd for the dpad. |
| 21:30.56 | kerio | wasd? |
| 21:31.00 | kerio | it's decentered :| |
| 21:31.04 | ToJa92 | sorry for confusing you, waxd |
| 21:31.09 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 21:31.10 | kerio | nice |
| 21:31.20 | kerio | do all key combos work? |
| 21:31.31 | kerio | diagonals, buttons+direction, button+diagonal |
| 21:31.50 | ToJa92 | I think it does but it's tricky to do diagonals |
| 21:32.01 | ToJa92 | button + button + direction works |
| 21:32.05 | kerio | neat |
| 21:32.07 | ToJa92 | so diagonal + button should work |
| 21:32.18 | kerio | meh, the n900's keyboard is weird |
| 21:32.20 | ToJa92 | but I don't think diagonal + button + button works |
| 21:34.26 | Gadgetoid_n900 | it uses w a d x, t u b m, l p up left |
| 21:35.18 | Gadgetoid_n900 | backlight kinda shines through the buttons too |
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| 21:37.08 | ToJa92 | it shines through as long as the buttons are semi-opaque |
| 21:37.21 | ToJa92 | I have some black ones and they dont shine through |
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| 21:47.26 | crashanddie | GAN900: as any well respected geek, you've heard of a 3D printer? |
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| 21:47.40 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51, MohammadAG: you guys too, I take it. |
| 21:47.47 | crashanddie | I'm actually thinking about buying one |
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| 21:48.07 | crashanddie | they're only like $750 |
| 21:48.15 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 21:48.21 | MohammadAG | gimme gimme gimme |
| 21:48.52 | MohammadAG | how much is the "ink" though? |
| 21:49.15 | crashanddie | $30 per kilo |
| 21:49.26 | GAN900 | crashanddie, yes. |
| 21:49.34 | GAN900 | crashanddie, to what end? |
| 21:49.45 | crashanddie | i dunno |
| 21:49.47 | crashanddie | just fun |
| 21:50.24 | crashanddie | http://www.babelgum.com/4020782 |
| 21:51.39 | GAN900 | Buy a lens instead |
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| 21:54.39 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 21:54.40 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 22:00.54 | kerio | GAN900: lol |
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| 22:04.19 | MNZ | Anyone know if SDL can use the n900's accelerometer for input? |
| 22:04.44 | PerfDave | The TuxRacer / SuperTux package for N900 seems to work with tilting input.. |
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| 22:14.32 | PolarFox | and there is that little program somewhere that translates accelerometer inputs to joystick movements.. |
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| 22:20.23 | SkyscraperN900 | hi all |
| 22:20.32 | SkyscraperN900 | mohammadag51 any news about ubuntu? |
| 22:20.55 | SkyscraperN900 | Mohammadag |
| 22:20.57 | MohammadAG | back in jerusalem, so yes, should be up by tomorrow |
| 22:21.06 | SkyscraperN900 | yeeah |
| 22:21.14 | SkyscraperN900 | nice to hear! |
| 22:21.22 | SkyscraperN900 | already uploading? |
| 22:21.57 | MohammadAG | starting in a bit, new image size should be about 500 megs or so |
| 22:22.21 | SkyscraperN900 | hm. is the server fast? |
| 22:22.42 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 22:23.42 | SkyscraperN900 | hm. i'll get up at 6:45 and i'll drive away 7:15... dont think that my n900 can leech that fast xD (only 1600bkps downstream) |
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| 22:26.23 | SkyscraperN900 | hm. so i'll leech it next night i think... have to go to sleep now. thank you for that great news. gn8 |
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| 23:13.14 | mgedmin | jacktheripper, I can reproduce the same sudo apt-get dist-upgrade error you saw |
| 23:13.54 | mgedmin | I suspect it's libsdl-mixer1.2 from extras |
| 23:14.14 | mgedmin | ah, no |
| 23:14.33 | mgedmin | it's python-pygame |
| 23:15.43 | mgedmin | hm, no, I can upgrade that one too |
| 23:15.44 | mgedmin | weird |
| 23:16.29 | mgedmin | there were three packages kept back: libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-ttf2.0-0 and python-pygame |
| 23:16.47 | mgedmin | the first can be upgraded, but the upgrade removes mp-fremantle-generic-pr (and I don't want that) |
| 23:16.55 | mgedmin | the second can be upgraded with some hiccoughing |
| 23:17.39 | mgedmin | and the third just upgraded without any problems -- maybe it was kept back because of libsdl-ttf2.0-0? |
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| 23:22.56 | jacktheripper | hmmm. The error I get is about upstart |
| 23:23.23 | jacktheripper | it depends on a lower version of busybox, and it still won't install |
| 23:23.26 | jacktheripper | do you get the same thing ? |
| 23:23.40 | MohammadAG | you apt-get dist-upgraded |
| 23:23.55 | MohammadAG | I get that error too (upstart) |
| 23:24.01 | jacktheripper | yes, I did |
| 23:24.11 | MohammadAG | you're not supposed to ;) |
| 23:24.19 | jacktheripper | there's no other way to install hildon-desktop, right ? |
| 23:24.28 | MohammadAG | i told you to wait |
| 23:24.34 | MohammadAG | and no, not without removing the metapackage |
| 23:24.49 | MohammadAG | remote the SSU line, it's useless as I disabled the repo |
| 23:24.57 | jacktheripper | ok |
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