| 00:00.55 | lcuk | GAN900, how old were you |
| 00:04.24 | luke-jr | e-yes: the only public list it was CC'd to was linux-omap. |
| 00:05.11 | luke-jr | ponders if Linux can use NOR flash to store read-only pages and XIP, and if doing so would improve device costs |
| 00:07.56 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no |
| 00:08.03 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Well - yes |
| 00:08.22 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: But NOR flash is enormously more expensive and slower typically than RAM |
| 00:09.00 | luke-jr | so yes and no :P |
| 00:09.33 | SpeedEvil | XIP is useful in principle in the very, very lowest end devices |
| 00:09.53 | luke-jr | yeah, I was thinking instead of swap |
| 00:09.54 | SpeedEvil | Say 2M ROM, 8M RAM |
| 00:09.59 | luke-jr | just execute direct from the device |
| 00:11.08 | SpeedEvil | XIP will be increasingly useful in the next couple of years. |
| 00:11.18 | SpeedEvil | maybe 5 |
| 00:11.38 | SpeedEvil | When it becomes inexpensive enough to integrate ROM+RAM+CPU on one due. |
| 00:11.42 | SpeedEvil | Die |
| 00:11.47 | SpeedEvil | For the lowest-end parts. |
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| 00:16.05 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=497-9039-ND - for example - but with 8M RAM |
| 00:16.55 | e-yes | luke-jr, looks more correct than matan's version |
| 00:17.12 | luke-jr | e-yes: matan's version? |
| 00:17.48 | e-yes | how without patch there's no sysfs entries, right? |
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| 00:18.59 | luke-jr | .. |
| 00:19.08 | crashanddie | damn, americans are idiots |
| 00:19.15 | crashanddie | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20014344-281.html#comments |
| 00:19.54 | crashanddie | anyway, off to bed, 'later all |
| 00:20.03 | SpeedEvil | night |
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| 00:22.16 | e-yes | luke-jr, or even bq27 refuses to register ( dont remember details). bq27_matan - afair (name for patch). look into kernel-power sources (which actually is patches for quilt) |
| 00:23.03 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1304965/Mystery-WikiLeaks-hacker-rape-set-up.html - I would imagine similarly stupid comments on thatr |
| 00:23.23 | luke-jr | e-yes: shrug, my change works for Fremantle kernel at least |
| 00:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what's XIP? |
| 00:27.25 | e-yes | luke-jr, i will try it with nitdroid-kernel when i switch back to battery/charging/consumption problems from ril/cmt tasks |
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| 00:28.47 | SpeedEvil | Xexute In Place |
| 00:28.52 | SpeedEvil | Xecute |
| 00:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: what's the bq27k rant about? |
| 00:29.15 | SpeedEvil | Basically using NOR flash instead of RAM to execute pages from |
| 00:29.31 | SpeedEvil | the bq27x00_battery driver is a bit broken. |
| 00:29.46 | SpeedEvil | It needs at least platform based adaption to set rs |
| 00:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure, as it isn't copying Openmoko driver :-P |
| 00:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe bq27k RS=22 |
| 00:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (XIP) like on palm pilot? |
| 00:32.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I think so |
| 00:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (XIP) or just a kernel patch to have a RAM image in storage, rather than a ELF? |
| 00:34.22 | e-yes | DocScrutinizer, what it mean - RS param? |
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| 00:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how long it takes Nokia to ship a devel dev to OM kernel maintainer who also fixed/augmented bq27000 and complemetary dumb GTA01-battery kernel module |
| 00:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: RS == resistor series |
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| 00:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | the shunt bq27200 uses to probe the actual current in/out of cell |
| 00:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: alas this is about the only resistor in 'leaked' N900 schematica that has no specific Ohms value printed to it |
| 00:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's R1129/30 and R1140 iirc |
| 00:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: basically every value you can read from bq27200 battery gauge needs to be transformed to a decent meaning by multiplicating it with a factor based on RS |
| 00:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | ...except those where the register value represents valueA/valueB and both have that factor - e.g TTE (time to empty) |
| 00:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | which represents capacity / actual-current, and both have the RS factor (not rhesus factor :-P) |
| 00:42.32 | e-yes | DocScrutinizer, what RS is assumed in mainline kernel? (i'm not seeing RS param in. where i can found it?) |
| 00:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | in mainline kernel there's nothing dealing at all with this |
| 00:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | you have no bq27k kernel module in maemo mainline |
| 00:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | one of the issues courtesy borked BME |
| 00:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | -> we don't have sysnodes for it as well |
| 00:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | same for bq24150 :-( |
| 00:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 I learn we may expect those for harmattan - excuse my scepticism about they are doing it right |
| 00:46.45 | povbot | Bug 9314: relicense N8x0 BME |
| 00:46.48 | e-yes | bq27 can be loaded after BME is started. and BME is still working after that |
| 00:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: that's amazing, as aiui loading the kernel module for bq27k will block direct I2C access |
| 00:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart bme |
| 00:48.22 | infobot | strangles bme with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 00:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, appropriate |
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| 00:49.32 | e-yes | yeah, that's why matan's patch was created in way it created:) |
| 00:50.12 | smhar | what other mobiles phones that support Qt? |
| 00:50.28 | e-yes | Motorola Z6:) |
| 00:51.03 | e-yes | has very old qtopia -> supports Qt |
| 00:52.04 | oneil213 | how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help |
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| 00:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: matan's patches are considered a poor implementation for a decent interface to bq27k |
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| 00:53.43 | smhar | e-yes, I meant something that I can use programs developed for maemo in it. |
| 00:54.46 | oneil213 | how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help |
| 00:54.47 | e-yes | without recompilation and repackaging? |
| 00:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#power_supply_battery_information and even that one is missing a few bits |
| 00:54.59 | smhar | no, with it |
| 00:55.22 | oneil213 | how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help |
| 00:55.58 | oneil213 | how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help |
| 00:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | oneil213: please don't spam |
| 00:56.10 | oneil213 | sorry |
| 00:56.17 | oneil213 | i need help |
| 00:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | oneil213: we *all* have read and noticed that, FOUR times now - in last 30s |
| 00:57.38 | oneil213 | sorry about my impatience |
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| 00:58.07 | oneil213 | just having problem installing the application |
| 00:58.40 | e-yes | DocScrutinizer, all what is missed in patch 'stolen' from mainline already |
| 00:59.13 | oneil213 | i do not understand please |
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| 01:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: sorry, you lost me on that one |
| 01:04.09 | oneil213 | Docscrutinizer, can you help |
| 01:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | oneil213: please consider to read this: |
| 01:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 01:05.23 | infobot | hmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | then come back here, and have another try |
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| 01:06.11 | e-yes | ~maemo |
| 01:06.11 | infobot | it has been said that maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml |
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| 01:09.32 | SkyscraperN900 | hey Mohammadag51 ! No new ubuntu upload today, too? |
| 01:13.45 | SkyscraperN900 | ping |
| 01:13.53 | SkyscraperN900 | ~ping |
| 01:13.54 | infobot | ~pong |
| 01:14.17 | xnt14 | SkyscraperN900: its 4:13 AM in jordan, he's probably sleeping |
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| 01:18.43 | SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/08/21/2256206/Real-Time-Detailed-Face-Tracking-On-a-Nokia-N900 |
| 01:20.11 | SkyscraperN900 | hm |
| 01:20.33 | SkyscraperN900 | xnt14 he wanted to upload last night... but theres nothing. this night, too? |
| 01:22.22 | xnt14 | brb |
| 01:22.24 | oneil213 | I recently downloaded the kmplayer, but i could not run it on my n900. the application manager prompts that I should install a missing package called xsltproc, I tired this but it was not compactible with my phone.anyone with a pointer on what i should do next.thanks |
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| 01:23.51 | SkyscraperN900 | anyone knows the specification of the n900 fm rx? what rx freqs are possible? |
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| 01:25.50 | SkyscraperN900 | i've read it seems to be Broadcam BCM2048? technial data sheet says it can recv fm radio from 76 to 108MHz? |
| 01:26.05 | SkyscraperN900 | *Broadcom |
| 01:26.36 | SpeedEvil | SkyscraperN900: IIRC 76-108 |
| 01:27.03 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Receiver |
| 01:27.28 | SkyscraperN900 | why the radio app is restricted to some other value? |
| 01:29.02 | SpeedEvil | Localisation settings |
| 01:29.33 | SkyscraperN900 | is it possible to modify? |
| 01:30.10 | oneil213 | i also tried to install a dependent package * librsvg2-2, but still not compatible as well |
| 01:30.44 | oneil213 | any pointer? |
| 01:31.03 | SpeedEvil | SkyscraperN900: I haven't gone into the details of the API |
| 01:31.08 | SpeedEvil | SkyscraperN900: I suspect so |
| 01:31.18 | SpeedEvil | But I'm not sure how easy it is |
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| 01:36.08 | oneil213 | which is the right xsltproc package for kmplayer on n900? |
| 01:36.24 | SkyscraperN900 | /usr/bin $ sudo ./fmradio-tool 76000 speaker |
| 01:36.29 | SkyscraperN900 | SpeedEvil |
| 01:37.15 | oneil213 | and librsvg2-2? |
| 01:37.27 | SkyscraperN900 | hm |
| 01:37.56 | SkyscraperN900 | dont think it is working. wonder if theres a radio on 76mhz xd |
| 01:37.59 | GAN900 | pupnik_, ice cream. |
| 01:38.05 | GAN900 | lcuk, 6 or 7. |
| 01:39.58 | SpeedEvil | echo 3 > /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/bcm2048/3-0022/region |
| 01:39.59 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 01:40.29 | SpeedEvil | You probably need to do both |
| 01:42.46 | SpeedEvil | start radio |
| 01:42.49 | SpeedEvil | above echo |
| 01:42.53 | SpeedEvil | echo 78000 >fm_frequency |
| 01:42.53 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022# cat fm_frequency |
| 01:42.53 | SpeedEvil | 78000 |
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| 01:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I have v4l-ctl |
| 01:43.07 | SkyscraperN900 | ah ok |
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| 01:45.01 | SkyscraperN900 | i cant echo 3 into region |
| 01:45.12 | SpeedEvil | root |
| 01:45.19 | SpeedEvil | FM radio also has to be on |
| 01:46.52 | SkyscraperN900 | -sh: cannot create /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/bcm2048/3-0022/region: Permission denied |
| 01:47.41 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/EKCh7JYZ |
| 01:47.42 | SpeedEvil | as root |
| 01:47.55 | SpeedEvil | you have to start fmradio first |
| 01:48.16 | SpeedEvil | above is result of ./v4l2-ctl --all -d /dev/radio1 |
| 01:48.25 | SpeedEvil | after the echo |
| 01:49.33 | SkyscraperN900 | where to get that v412-ctl app? |
| 01:49.42 | SpeedEvil | compile it |
| 01:50.17 | SkyscraperN900 | from where? xd |
| 01:50.23 | SpeedEvil | source |
| 01:51.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/v4l2-ctl |
| 01:51.30 | SpeedEvil | also - a binary |
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| 01:57.05 | SkyscraperN900 | wont download |
| 01:57.26 | luke-jr | e-yes: FWIW, I agree with the reply-comment that the #ifdef should be dropped |
| 01:57.31 | SkyscraperN900 | 0percent |
| 01:58.20 | luke-jr | e-yes: that way it will use like 17 bytes more memory, but work if someone builds bq27x00 module externally :P |
| 01:58.58 | SpeedEvil | SkyscraperN900: Odd - seems to download here fine |
| 01:59.01 | SkyscraperN900 | wget rocks xd |
| 01:59.04 | SpeedEvil | SkyscraperN900: maybe it hadn't uploaded |
| 01:59.09 | SkyscraperN900 | with wget works |
| 02:04.41 | SkyscraperN900 | Frequency range : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz |
| 02:04.51 | SkyscraperN900 | with echo 4 > region |
| 02:06.30 | SkyscraperN900 | hm but it tunes only 87500 |
| 02:06.35 | SkyscraperN900 | not 76000 |
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| 02:08.39 | SpeedEvil | FMradio probaly doesn't know about region |
| 02:08.48 | SpeedEvil | echo n >fm_frequency |
| 02:09.38 | SkyscraperN900 | hm i'm trying it with fmradio-tool from usr/bin - maybe thats the prob? |
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| 02:12.59 | Skyscraper09 | back |
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| 02:13.37 | SpeedEvil | no idea |
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| 02:22.44 | _0x47 | anyone still here with super 1337 packaging power? |
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| 02:23.55 | _0x47 | !tell _0x47 you're so cool! |
| 02:24.09 | _0x47 | tell _0x47 you're even cooler! |
| 02:24.11 | _0x47 | hm |
| 02:24.16 | _0x47 | nm then |
| 02:25.06 | Skyscraper09 | speedevil ~ $ sudo v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 108.0 works while on fmradio app |
| 02:25.30 | Skyscraper09 | or any other freq between 87.5 and 108.0 |
| 02:25.34 | Skyscraper09 | but not lower |
| 02:25.54 | Skyscraper09 | getting VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error |
| 02:26.02 | Skyscraper09 | when trying to set 76.0 |
| 02:26.36 | SpeedEvil | after it says 76000 when you cat min_region_frequency or whatever? |
| 02:27.33 | Skyscraper09 | cat region_bottom_frequency |
| 02:27.38 | Skyscraper09 | throws 76000 |
| 02:28.07 | Skyscraper09 | v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all |
| 02:28.09 | Skyscraper09 | gives |
| 02:28.12 | SpeedEvil | cat fm_frequency was showing 76000 fro me - I diddn't have a transmitter rigged up though |
| 02:28.20 | Skyscraper09 | Frequency range : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz |
| 02:28.41 | Skyscraper09 | but cant tune in? |
| 02:29.27 | SpeedEvil | With what |
| 02:29.55 | Skyscraper09 | 76.0 wont work |
| 02:29.56 | SpeedEvil | I'll try more tomorrow maybe |
| 02:33.10 | Skyscraper09 | me 2. going to bed |
| 02:33.17 | Skyscraper09 | good night an thankyou |
| 02:34.02 | SpeedEvil | np |
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| 02:42.21 | Skyscraper09 | speedevil maybe a modified http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/media/radio/radio-bcm2048.c would help? |
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| 02:46.13 | SpeedEvil | or analyse that |
| 02:55.00 | luke-jr | my N900 is being retarded |
| 02:55.10 | luke-jr | says there's an update for fMMS, but errors updating it |
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| 03:42.50 | luke-jr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/52549449@N05/4915160604/ thoughts? |
| 03:46.46 | toresbe | has anyone gotten imhere to actually work? |
| 03:47.02 | toresbe | It'd be really nice to have. But so far all I've gotten it to do is segfault. |
| 03:47.41 | toresbe | some source code would be best of all! |
| 03:48.12 | luke-jr | what is it? |
| 03:48.28 | toresbe | cellphone tracking system |
| 03:48.36 | toresbe | you send your cellphone an SMS and it replies with GPS coords |
| 03:48.50 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 03:49.01 | luke-jr | I'd rather just have it constantly updating my server <.< |
| 03:50.30 | toresbe | yeah, that's what I'm looking at right now |
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| 03:50.39 | toresbe | hacking together some kind of python script that updates my server |
| 03:50.51 | luke-jr | on the other hand, GPS eats battery |
| 03:51.10 | toresbe | yeah, I was thinking have a flag on my server which my N900 polls. |
| 03:51.45 | luke-jr | polling probably would use more power <.< |
| 03:52.13 | toresbe | Yeah, but I charge it every night anyway |
| 03:52.18 | luke-jr | lol |
| 03:52.24 | luke-jr | as if it can go a full day w/o charging |
| 03:52.42 | toresbe | mine certainly can |
| 03:53.06 | luke-jr | not if you do GPS or polling constantly for sure |
| 03:53.44 | toresbe | oh, no. Not GPS. But server polling, perhaps. |
| 03:53.50 | toresbe | Or maybe SMS-triggered. |
| 03:54.01 | toresbe | Is it possible to intercept SMSes without the UI noticing them? |
| 03:54.12 | toresbe | So that, if it matches a string, it won't be passed on to the UI? |
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| 03:55.24 | toresbe | segfault. Again. |
| 03:55.39 | toresbe | Argh. Why didn't you publish the source before disappearing! |
| 03:57.17 | toresbe | btw, does anyone know of a way to "fake" SMSes so that I can debug without breaking the bank? :) |
| 03:57.49 | toresbe | ah, here's something |
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| 04:07.52 | toresbe | hm, no |
| 04:12.02 | toresbe | might be fun to do it as a telepathy script |
| 04:12.45 | luke-jr | would have to be a telepathy script I think |
| 04:12.55 | luke-jr | why not just setup a private XMPP account for it? |
| 04:13.11 | toresbe | exactly |
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| 04:15.42 | toresbe | Anyway. |
| 04:15.48 | toresbe | it's 6:15 - AM. |
| 04:15.56 | toresbe | I really made this work day longer than normal, huh. |
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| 05:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | toresbe: the joy of closed source apps and API designs tailored to fit those closed source apps' usecases in a maximum restrictive way :-/ |
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| 05:43.55 | pigeon | hmm, on the n900 is there a way to be root before installing the gainroot package? |
| 05:48.20 | psycho_oreos | you can enable r&d mode |
| 05:48.31 | psycho_oreos | or install openssh server package |
| 05:49.49 | pigeon | thanks, guess i'll try the r&d mode then. |
| 05:51.34 | psycho_oreos | what do you intend to do anyway? |
| 05:52.46 | pigeon | trying to fix my uncle's n900, seems he's getting this problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59174 |
| 05:53.14 | pigeon | n900-locales-ppchinese has a typo in package control file |
| 05:53.22 | pigeon | so not able to install anything. |
| 05:54.08 | pigeon | post number #9 on that page in face. |
| 05:58.19 | psycho_oreos | so whats wrong with gainroot package? heh |
| 05:59.54 | pigeon | it's gone into the "can't install anything" state... |
| 06:00.51 | psycho_oreos | yeah its an issue with the dpkg, the fix below that post #9 might help |
| 06:00.52 | ColdFyre | is there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging? |
| 06:01.36 | pigeon | psycho_oreos: but sudo is asking me for password |
| 06:01.41 | psycho_oreos | maybe with modprobing of the bq thingy |
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| 06:02.13 | pronto | this is neat, skype is now crashing my phone :| |
| 06:02.23 | psycho_oreos | pigeon, yes because you're not normally allowed to gain root.. if you installed gainroot package and then do sudo gainroot it should work |
| 06:02.37 | ColdFyre | ha, how does skype crash? |
| 06:02.42 | pigeon | hence post #11 and post #12 in fact. |
| 06:02.48 | pronto | it crashed so hard, the phone went off |
| 06:02.54 | pronto | it didnt do this last night :| |
| 06:03.08 | pigeon | well, r&d mode for now that is... |
| 06:03.59 | ColdFyre | did it crash or did the battery die ;) |
| 06:04.07 | pronto | considing the phone is plugged in |
| 06:04.11 | pronto | i'd say it crashed |
| 06:04.32 | pronto | O.o when i try to open the conversations app, that crashes |
| 06:05.47 | Khertan | Hi ! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vectormine/1.1.0-4/<<< need your votes |
| 06:06.13 | Khertan | pigeon, ssh ? |
| 06:06.31 | pigeon | haven't got that installed yet either. |
| 06:06.48 | pronto | woah this is weird, i can't open the Converstions app |
| 06:06.57 | Khertan | pigeon what s the application manager logs said ? |
| 06:08.02 | pigeon | Khertan: the same error with n900-locales-ppchinese as in: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=771006&postcount=9 |
| 06:08.18 | pigeon | can't install or uninstall anything basically. |
| 06:09.15 | Khertan | yep ... :) |
| 06:09.18 | pigeon | i just switched to r&d mode now, should be able to fix it. |
| 06:09.33 | Khertan | you can fix it easily by apt-get purge |
| 06:09.39 | Khertan | you can fix it easily by apt-get update |
| 06:09.46 | Khertan | and remove the broken package |
| 06:09.59 | Khertan | but ... yep ... without root ... |
| 06:10.26 | Khertan | Application Manager didn't provide the necessary tool to fix problem if one problem happen |
| 06:11.12 | kerio | hehe, this was unexpected... |
| 06:11.19 | kerio | suspended to ram last night |
| 06:11.47 | kerio | this morning, 23.41pm |
| 06:11.54 | kerio | :| |
| 06:12.11 | pronto | when i try to open up the Converstaions app, it just crashes 'Internal error applicatoin 'Converations' closed' |
| 06:12.32 | pigeon | i'll blame whoever made the mistake in n900-locales-ppchinese ;) |
| 06:12.36 | kerio | is it because my internal battery is crap? |
| 06:12.53 | pigeon | damn chinese people... ;) |
| 06:12.58 | pigeon | (i am chinese :) |
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| 06:13.43 | kerio | i'd just move to england/the us and claim to be english |
| 06:15.17 | pigeon | technically i'm australian anyway... |
| 06:16.18 | kerio | suspend to ram = bad |
| 06:16.20 | kerio | :( |
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| 06:16.44 | kerio | i bet *that* is why nokia doesn't use it |
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| 06:22.28 | pigeon | done and done... fixed... |
| 06:22.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: does nokia know of the crappy internal batteries? |
| 06:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I don't know if they know |
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| 06:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: nihao |
| 06:27.23 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: g'day ;) |
| 06:28.54 | pronto | is there a way to delete text messages via command line? |
| 06:30.20 | pronto | because the conversation app keeps crashing |
| 06:33.31 | FavoriteSquirrel | hihi |
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| 06:37.56 | pigeon | pronto: messages/im logs are stored in a database in .rtcom-eventlogger/, you can delete things using sqlite3 |
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| 06:48.49 | pronto | oh yay i fixed the crashing of conversatoins |
| 06:48.51 | FavoriteSquirrel | im not even using software |
| 06:49.35 | pronto | yet skype still crashes :/ |
| 06:54.06 | FavoriteSquirrel | try to evade the chaos? |
| 06:55.09 | pronto | was that directed at me? |
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| 06:56.56 | ilius | i can't find any usage help for savedepz |
| 06:58.46 | FavoriteSquirrel | sorry lol |
| 06:59.00 | ilius | hmmm, another usefull tool https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/dpkg-repack/1.32 |
| 06:59.01 | FavoriteSquirrel | i feel terrible but im just easily distracted |
| 06:59.14 | FavoriteSquirrel | was -just- there man |
| 06:59.17 | FavoriteSquirrel | how lol |
| 06:59.55 | FavoriteSquirrel | right now im running a umpc as well |
| 07:05.20 | kirma | observes how the quality tmo commentators are capable of spinning N9 leak follow-ups way beyond the quality of engadget discussion (and not in a positive sense) |
| 07:05.41 | kirma | troll.maemo.org |
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| 07:17.31 | FavoriteSquirrel | you people |
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| 07:22.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: suspending to ram with *these* batteries is impossible |
| 07:22.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | err? |
| 07:23.01 | kerio | i woke up this morning and it was 23pm |
| 07:23.05 | kerio | :D |
| 07:23.29 | kerio | the internal ones |
| 07:23.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | umm, and how's that related to backup battery? |
| 07:24.04 | kerio | the rtc? |
| 07:24.27 | kerio | offline mode, suspended to ram, internal clock stopped ticking |
| 07:24.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | the RTC runs off main battery as long as there's any with more than 2V |
| 07:24.52 | kerio | oh, then... wtf? |
| 07:24.59 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 07:25.28 | kerio | `date` reported 23pm |
| 07:26.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: suspend to ram obviously stops system clock, a 'hwclock' will show you the RTC is still correct |
| 07:26.22 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 07:26.25 | kerio | is a noob |
| 07:26.48 | kerio | we need a script for the suspend that also syncs back the time |
| 07:27.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly, if you want to put susp2ram to purpose, you need to cope with such things |
| 07:28.26 | kerio | we'd first need a way to tell the phone not to bug the system with waking-up signals on signal change |
| 07:28.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 07:29.17 | kerio | is there a way? |
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| 07:32.43 | kerio | jacekowski: is there a way? you're the rapuyama h4xx0r |
| 07:34.25 | kerio | timeless: sometimes some buttons in the microb toolbar are missing... wtf? |
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| 07:37.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:40.02 | Stskeeps | morn jaffa |
| 07:40.23 | timeless | kerio: some of them or the entire toolbar? |
| 07:40.34 | timeless | we know there's a way to end up w/o a toolbar |
| 07:40.43 | timeless | but i haven't seen a bug for missing buttons |
| 07:40.55 | timeless | (please file w/ picture, preferably w/ steps) |
| 07:42.03 | ColdFyre | is there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging? |
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| 07:44.41 | timeless | ooh, goody, my account will expire just as i start my vacation |
| 07:46.28 | ilius | how to install dpkg-dev on n900? |
| 07:47.31 | ilius | i dont know how to add this repository http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/ |
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| 07:48.06 | TermanaN900 | yello |
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| 07:51.42 | Khertan | next step will be retweet, search storage, and optimization |
| 07:51.46 | Khertan | oups wrong window |
| 07:51.47 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:53.28 | Khertan | ilius, dpkg-dev |
| 07:53.58 | Khertan | ouch ... it ll require that you replace the busybox tar too |
| 07:54.13 | Khertan | as it didn't understand some options use by dpkg |
| 07:54.39 | ilius | Khertan: ? |
| 07:55.13 | ilius | anyone know how to use savedepz? |
| 07:56.20 | Khertan | ah sorry ... i think you are trying to package apps on device :) |
| 07:56.45 | ilius | i want to make packages from installed apps |
| 07:56.47 | Khertan | nope sorry never use it |
| 07:56.58 | Khertan | ilius, what a strange idea |
| 07:57.09 | Khertan | why not download them from repository ? |
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| 07:57.11 | jacekowski | way of doing what? |
| 07:57.16 | ilius | like dpkg-repack in desktop |
| 07:57.33 | ilius | Khertan: yes, after flashing |
| 07:57.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: isn't it that rtc runs of small backup battery as long as it's working? |
| 07:57.51 | ilius | Khertan: to save time |
| 07:58.10 | Khertan | it s seems you are losing more trying to use savedepz :) |
| 07:58.31 | ilius | "savedepz --help" gives nothing |
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| 07:58.42 | ilius | and there is no "man" command |
| 07:58.52 | ilius | and google gives no result |
| 07:58.58 | ilius | :-/ |
| 08:01.45 | Jaffa | ~seen dneary |
| 08:01.46 | infobot | dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 32d 21h 20m ago, saying: 'esac'. |
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| 08:03.05 | Jaffa | Ah, "last week in August" |
| 08:03.51 | luke-jr | that's the first week in Vyctorious! |
| 08:03.52 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 08:18.36 | th3hate | is it possible to dpkg -i more than 1 package at once, like "dpkg -i /home/user/MyDocs/1.deb 2.deb 3.deb |
| 08:18.54 | brolin_empey | My N900 fell from my desk to the carpeted floor while a USB cable was connected to the N900. I think my N900 landed on the micro USB plug because now the micro USB socket is bent/crooked and the USB connection for charging (I use Wireless LAN to access my N900 via ssh.) is intermittent. :( |
| 08:19.07 | Stskeeps | get it to repairs.. |
| 08:19.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:20.56 | brolin_empey | th3hate: With bash, you could run "for pkg in pkg1.deb pkg2.deb pkg3.deb; do dpkg -i ${pkg}; done". |
| 08:22.15 | th3hate | brolin_empey, i have 12 package named from 1-12, can you tell me the command? |
| 08:23.41 | frals | dpkg -i * |
| 08:23.41 | frals | :P |
| 08:25.43 | th3hate | for pkg in 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb 4.deb 5.deb 6.deb 7.deb 8.deb 9.deb 10.deb 11.deb 12.deb; do dpkg -i ${pkg}; done |
| 08:26.00 | th3hate | but what abou the path ? /home/user/MyDocs |
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| 08:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: would that be reasonable? |
| 08:28.17 | MohammadAG51 | new pulseaudio package seems to have fixed stuttering for most users :) |
| 08:28.24 | MohammadAG51 | or at least reduced it |
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| 08:28.54 | brolin_empey | th3hate: I think you can simply put all the .deb files in a directory containing no other files and run "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb", as frals suggested. |
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| 08:30.48 | th3hate | brolin_empey, thanks |
| 08:30.49 | pupnik_ | what MohammadAG51 ? how about cpu use? |
| 08:30.58 | budfive | dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb |
| 08:32.15 | budfive | or you can use a bash for loop: for((i=1;i<=12;i++)); do dpkg -i $i.deb; done |
| 08:32.16 | MohammadAG51 | pupnik_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60788 :) |
| 08:32.55 | th3hate | budfive, so i write this in command line: "for((i=1;i<=12;i++)); do dpkg -i $i.deb" ? |
| 08:33.06 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 08:33.21 | th3hate | first cd to dir ? |
| 08:33.27 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: In a way which makes audio work now? :-) |
| 08:33.39 | budfive | th3hate: yah |
| 08:33.57 | budfive | th3hate: that assumes you're using full bash. busybox shell likely doesn't support that fanciness |
| 08:34.04 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, it seems the patch needs the newer unreleased kernel, or some patch which is in kernel-power :) |
| 08:34.15 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, in short, won't work on current stock |
| 08:34.40 | th3hate | budfive, how to use full bash? |
| 08:34.51 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Ah, right. |
| 08:35.10 | pupnik_ | MohammadAG51: afaik the resampling is about as fast as it gets, but i was wondering if resampling can get bypassed completely with a 48khz source |
| 08:36.02 | pupnik_ | also how about a limiter-controlled xprot speaker protection - only kicks in if total volume > 75% or 50% or smth |
| 08:36.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | isn't for (( a bashism? |
| 08:36.38 | budfive | DocScrutinizer51: yep |
| 08:36.47 | brolin_empey | th3hate: Why not use my simple solution so you do not even need to install bash? |
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| 08:36.50 | MohammadAG51 | what module provides /sys/devices/platform/omap-mcbsp.3/st_enable |
| 08:37.12 | budfive | the regexp version 'dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb' likely will work even in busybox |
| 08:37.14 | th3hate | brolin_empey, this "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb" ? |
| 08:37.36 | MohammadAG51 | uh |
| 08:37.46 | MohammadAG51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | budfive: should, by definition |
| 08:38.22 | budfive | DocScrutinizer51: Even in busybox? I never bothered to figure out exactly which features the busybox shell was missing |
| 08:38.30 | th3hate | MohammadAG51, packages are named 10 11 12 not 011.. etc |
| 08:38.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | simple shel regex for sure is messybox even |
| 08:38.56 | budfive | k |
| 08:40.06 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer51: Don't you mean lamebox? ;) |
| 08:40.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | but is it really so complicated? a /bla/*.deb usually does |
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| 08:43.14 | brolin_empey | th3hate: Yes. Make a new, temporary dir, put all the .deb files in it, then run "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb". That should work in even the simplest shell, even if regexes are not supported. |
| 08:44.13 | th3hate | brolin_empey, i could do "dpkg -i *" = everything in the dir |
| 08:44.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | * is a simple shell regex |
| 08:44.21 | th3hate | dir only contains debs |
| 08:44.39 | budfive | th3hate: dpkg -i * |
| 08:45.06 | th3hate | budfive, is there a way to force install them without asking y/n |
| 08:45.47 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer51: No, '*' is a shell globbing pattern. |
| 08:46.07 | budfive | do dpkg -i --force-help |
| 08:46.09 | Jaffa | If there are no objections, I'll announce it on the Council blog |
| 08:46.14 | Jaffa | Ignore that |
| 08:46.25 | Jaffa | was trying to mention globbing vs. regex |
| 08:46.30 | Stskeeps | no objections to? |
| 08:46.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:47.37 | brolin_empey | Jaffa: The conversation in this channel moves too fast. :/ |
| 08:47.39 | th3hate | budfive, dpkg -i --force-all * ? |
| 08:48.00 | budfive | th3hate: you tell me. I don't know what you want to force :) |
| 08:48.01 | MohammadAG51 | dpkg shouldn't ask y/n o_O |
| 08:48.04 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Election dates |
| 08:48.14 | th3hate | budfive, all packages in the dir |
| 08:48.19 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's been six months already |
| 08:48.20 | Stskeeps | early elections? :P |
| 08:48.20 | MohammadAG51 | why force? |
| 08:48.36 | th3hate | MohammadAG51, i don't want it to ask y/n when installing |
| 08:48.37 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Last were in March |
| 08:48.53 | MohammadAG51 | th3hate, dpkg doesn't ask y/n |
| 08:48.53 | TermanaN900 | Speaking of elections, we just had a federal election :P |
| 08:48.57 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: ah |
| 08:48.57 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get does |
| 08:49.06 | MohammadAG51 | in which case you can use apt-get -y install |
| 08:49.53 | brolin_empey | Stskeeps: You mean Nokia's repair service? |
| 08:50.01 | Jaffa | pokes GeneralAntilles and GAN900 as the only other council member here. And meta-pokes Texrat, achipa and javispedro |
| 08:50.14 | Stskeeps | brolin_empey: right |
| 08:51.12 | brolin_empey | Stskeeps: Sorry for the delay; I got sidetracked by helping th3hate. :) |
| 08:51.33 | th3hate | brolin_empey, thanks for help :) |
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| 08:54.07 | brolin_empey | th3hate: You are welcome, but you would probably benefit from studying at least the basics of Bourne shell usage. :) |
| 08:54.41 | th3hate | brolin_empey, only if you give me some newbies guide :P |
| 08:54.55 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, we need a Maemo/community/troll/* cloak |
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| 08:57.04 | brolin_empey | Stskeeps: I do not think Nokia's repair service is available to me because I live in Canada and bought my N900 from NewEgg.ca, but the N900 has still not even been released in Canada. :( |
| 08:57.38 | Stskeeps | brolin_empey: check consumer laws.. |
| 08:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | brolin_empey: Jaffa: yep, I mixed BRE and globbing |
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| 08:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | anyway [abc] and * are of same class in a shell |
| 09:00.14 | Venemo | good morning guys |
| 09:00.15 | brolin_empey | Stskeeps: I failed so badly because I picked up my N900 right after I got out of bed on Saturday morning/afternoon because I saw I had a new message, but I was still sleepy and dropped my beloved N900 for the first time. :( |
| 09:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | see man bash /pathname expansion ->* Matches any string... [...] Matches any one of the enclosed characters. |
| 09:01.58 | __a | what the f.. my widgets are disappearing off the homescreen every other day |
| 09:02.03 | Venemo | brolin_empey: I dropped mine several times (accidentally), but it doesn't have a problem |
| 09:02.21 | Venemo | __a: this may happen if hildon-home crashes |
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| 09:03.54 | Venemo | __a: when this happens, it gets rid of some 3rd party widgets that it thinks caused the problem |
| 09:04.28 | brolin_empey | Venemo: Did you drop it while it had a USB cable connected? |
| 09:04.33 | __a | Venemo: soo I have to remove them all and bring back one by one? |
| 09:05.06 | Venemo | brolin_empey: no. |
| 09:05.35 | Venemo | __a: well, try to deduce which of them causes the problem |
| 09:05.43 | MohammadAG51 | i dropped mine with the charger connected |
| 09:06.14 | __a | i got facebook, GPE calendar and shutter... |
| 09:06.18 | Venemo | __a: eg. Sticky Notes doesn't run in hildon-home, so it always stays there even during a crash |
| 09:06.26 | __a | apart from the built in ones |
| 09:06.44 | Venemo | __a: the other thing, Python widgets usually cause crashes for some people |
| 09:06.48 | brolin_empey | Venemo: I (accidentally, of course!) dropped mine while the USB cable was connected; I think it landed on the micro USB plug, which bent/pushed the micro USB socket so the USB connection is now intermittent, at least for charging. :( |
| 09:10.00 | __a | Venemo: thanks man! im starting to think its the gpe cal. widget.. gpe seems buggy all over |
| 09:10.06 | Venemo | brolin_empey: oooh... that sounds bad |
| 09:11.58 | Venemo | brolin_empey: well, since the MicroUSB connectors of the N900 are generally bad, you could just return it to warranty repair |
| 09:12.12 | Venemo | brolin_empey: noone's gonna ask if you dropped it or whatever |
| 09:12.21 | jacekowski | brolin_empey: i have same problem |
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| 09:12.38 | jacekowski | i mean the intermittent charging |
| 09:13.15 | brolin_empey | Stskeeps: My understanding of the paper warranty documents included with my N900 was that I do not have warranty coverage because I did not buy my N900 in USA and/or because I do not live in USA, but I received my N900 in late June, so I could have forgotten by now. |
| 09:13.34 | Stskeeps | brolin_empey: sucks then |
| 09:14.10 | jacekowski | brolin_empey: where have you bought your n900 |
| 09:14.19 | jacekowski | brolin_empey: and where do you live? |
| 09:15.20 | brolin_empey | jacekowski: Has your N900 been dropped too? |
| 09:15.33 | jacekowski | probably |
| 09:15.36 | jacekowski | but i'm not sure |
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| 09:15.47 | jacekowski | well, it was dropped multiple times |
| 09:15.57 | jacekowski | but i don't think it was dropped with usb cable connected |
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| 09:16.45 | ilius | camera gives error "Memory not accessible", but i checked folder ~/MyDocs/DCIM and has write permissions |
| 09:17.15 | MohammadAG51 | fat32? |
| 09:17.24 | MohammadAG51 | check which memory it's saving to |
| 09:17.34 | brolin_empey | jacekowski: I bought my N900 from NewEgg.ca and I live in Delta, British Columbia, Canada. |
| 09:19.36 | [DarkGUNMAN] | MohammadAG51 - out of curiosity, what do the patches in /public/maemo/debfiles on your website do? my device is due a reflash and i'm trying stuff out before it gets wiped again. |
| 09:19.59 | MohammadAG51 | which ones? |
| 09:20.10 | [DarkGUNMAN] | hildon-desktop |
| 09:20.11 | BluesLee | MohammadAG51: by the way, did you add the mp launch option to phone control? |
| 09:20.24 | pupnik_ | thinkpad baking in the sun - cpu 54c |
| 09:20.25 | MohammadAG51 | afaik yes |
| 09:20.48 | MohammadAG51 | [DarkGUNMAN], the kinetic one has all new patches + a kinetic scrolling "fix" |
| 09:20.58 | MohammadAG51 | it's stable, you can install it after the reflash |
| 09:21.15 | MohammadAG51 | restart the desktop if you want to see the scrolling changes |
| 09:21.36 | [DarkGUNMAN] | nice :) |
| 09:22.40 | BluesLee | MohammadAG51: hmm, i dont see it and i have the latest version installed 0.2.3 |
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| 09:23.53 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 09:23.57 | MohammadAG51 | sec, lemme check that |
| 09:24.05 | ilius | MohammadAG51: its not on memory card |
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| 09:24.35 | ilius | MohammadAG51: i dont want to mount memory card into MyDocs |
| 09:25.01 | brolin_empey | Can I repair the micro USB socket on my own? Can the N900 be easily disassembled and reassembled without risk of damage? |
| 09:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: o/ |
| 09:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | brolin_empey: unplugging the flat plastic cable connecting the upper half is rather prone to damage the plug/cable |
| 09:27.21 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: hi |
| 09:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | brolin_empey: but seems usually people manage to disassemble without breaking it |
| 09:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | brolin_empey: and yes, resoldering the USB receptacle isn't particularly difficult as long as it's not completely off and possibly damaged PCB traces |
| 09:29.13 | brolin_empey | already had to disassemble his FreeRunner and have our electronics technician at work replace the mini USB socket because the D- pin got bent, so he could still charge via USB but had no USB data. |
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| 09:33.18 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer: Flat plastic cable? Do you mean inside the N900's case? |
| 09:33.50 | brolin_empey | has not even tried to disassemble his N900. |
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| 09:34.21 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 09:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | brolin_empey: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/IMG_1941.JPG the brown thing in center |
| 09:35.17 | crashanddie | Slashdot has one article about the N900 doing something, and all the fucking fanbois are out |
| 09:35.20 | crashanddie | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/08/21/2256206/Real-Time-Detailed-Face-Tracking-On-a-Nokia-N900 |
| 09:35.42 | kerio | heh |
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| 09:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | brolin_empey: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ for other views |
| 09:36.05 | kerio | timeless_mbp: just some buttons |
| 09:36.21 | crashanddie | The few guys who are trying to tell the truth have been modded to oblivion, either "troll" or "flamebait", and all the "I luvz my little n900, it has xterm" are marked as +5 insightful |
| 09:36.40 | kerio | had it happen twice, once it was the refresh button missing, the other one was just address bar+refresh |
| 09:36.44 | kerio | nothing else |
| 09:36.56 | kerio | will take a screen next time it happens |
| 09:39.06 | timeless_mbp | kerio: ctrl-shift-p |
| 09:39.09 | timeless_mbp | please |
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| 09:40.08 | SkyscraperN900 | hello again |
| 09:40.18 | SkyscraperN900 | mohammadag51 are you there? |
| 09:40.53 | Jaffa | crashanddie: But it does have teh xt3rm. |
| 09:40.54 | SkyscraperN900 | speedevil? |
| 09:41.35 | SkyscraperN900 | speedevil found out: # get frequency range; currently only the US/Europe frequency band is supported by the driver |
| 09:41.51 | SkyscraperN900 | so i need modified driver for the fmrx? |
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| 09:42.55 | crashanddie | Jaffa: yup, but I'm pretty damn sure the iPhone does as well ;) |
| 09:43.26 | MohammadAG51 | SkyscraperN900, yes, haven't up'd the image yet |
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| 09:44.04 | SkyscraperN900 | mohammadag51 ah okay. why? and when you'll up it? i cant wait ;) |
| 09:44.22 | crashanddie | Jaffa: btw, this is superb: http://churchturing.org/w/iphone-ssh/ |
| 09:44.51 | mavhc | crashanddie: what's "the truth"? |
| 09:45.20 | crashanddie | mavhc: that maemo 5 and the n900 was a great idea, very poorly executed? |
| 09:45.47 | pupnik_ | too vague |
| 09:45.53 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Mmm, secure :-) |
| 09:46.12 | crashanddie | Jaffa: just give bogus information and connect |
| 09:46.25 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Ah :-) |
| 09:46.46 | SkyscraperN900 | anyone know how to switch fmrx of n900 to japan fm band? |
| 09:46.58 | pupnik_ | N900 Jeopardy! Answer = "LA LA LA LA LA! Not a problem! Don't want to hear about it!" |
| 09:47.17 | pupnik_ | Question = "How did nokia deal with pulseaudio taking 12-20% cpu?" |
| 09:47.34 | pupnik_ | that would be a specific criticism, crashanddie |
| 09:47.42 | flux | I wonder that too |
| 09:47.58 | johnx | SkyscraperN900, what's the range of the Japanese FM band? |
| 09:48.17 | Jaffa | pupnik_: Or "how did Nokia deal with hildon-desktop regression causing 10-15% CPU?" |
| 09:48.51 | Jaffa | pupnik_: Or "how have Nokia helped developers migrate from Maemo to MeeGo with 'legacy' applications?" |
| 09:48.53 | SkyscraperN900 | johnx 76.0 up to 108.0 MHz |
| 09:48.53 | johnx | SkyscraperN900, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60567 |
| 09:49.02 | pupnik_ | they need to fund a 'this needs to get fixed' contract-based system imo |
| 09:49.17 | Venemo | crashanddie: actually, it was an experiment, and it was successful |
| 09:49.17 | crashanddie | pupnik_: Or how Ari Jaaski was talking about "how nokia was skeptical about Open Source, but Maemo and the community convinced them?" |
| 09:49.19 | Jaffa | pupnik_: Or "how did Nokia make such a fast CPU have a laggy and unresponsive UI; which gets worse with updates?" |
| 09:49.20 | pupnik_ | if someone out there has the knowledge and motivation to fix something (up to spec and code review) they should get a bounty |
| 09:49.44 | Venemo | crashanddie: and after the experiment, noone cares about the subjects any more :P |
| 09:49.57 | SkyscraperN900 | johnx i'm talking about fmRX not fmTX ;) |
| 09:50.12 | johnx | ah. that would make more sense :) |
| 09:50.22 | pupnik_ | I bet a lot of WONTFIX are really "would be nice to have, but no time" issues |
| 09:50.26 | johnx | I was wondering why you couldn't find a free station to transmit on :P |
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| 09:50.37 | crashanddie | Or how Nokia is so free to share their code that everyone can contribute to the code and make the device better? |
| 09:51.14 | crashanddie | because, you know, throwing code out on gitorious and saying "This is dead fish now, we don't care about it anymore" is really "the spirit of open source" |
| 09:51.27 | crashanddie | (actually, that's not so far from the truth) |
| 09:51.29 | Venemo | crashanddie: fortunately, this situation is improved with MeeGo |
| 09:51.32 | pupnik_ | MohammadAG51: is your pulseaudio from generic upstream or nokia? |
| 09:51.44 | crashanddie | Venemo: HAH, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 09:51.58 | Venemo | crashanddie: btw, the sources were on gitorious for a long time... not just the last commit |
| 09:52.02 | MohammadAG51 | pupnik_, same one you have installed + one patch from nokia |
| 09:52.03 | crashanddie | Venemo: thanks, tmmd |
| 09:52.28 | pupnik_ | MohammadAG51: so all the maemo-specific stuff is in the scripts for PA? |
| 09:52.43 | Venemo | crashanddie: 'tmmd'=? (sorry, non-native English speaker here) |
| 09:52.46 | MohammadAG51 | yes, it's from the maemo.org repos |
| 09:52.53 | crashanddie | Venemo: "that made my day" |
| 09:52.58 | pupnik_ | i'm curious about doing that limiter code to bypass EQ and resampling |
| 09:53.06 | pupnik_ | it would be a hack, but what the heck |
| 09:53.56 | pupnik_ | i can manage an if-then block :P |
| 09:54.26 | Venemo | crashanddie: ah. thank you :) |
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| 09:57.13 | johnx | SkyscraperN900, sooo, feel like doing some kernel hacking? |
| 09:58.45 | johnx | The N800 was in the same situation, but someone apparently created a patch for the kernel to allow selecting from the Japanese band: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 |
| 09:58.46 | povbot | Bug 2249: FM Radio frequency not set for use in Japan |
| 09:58.55 | SkyscraperN900 | johnx i cant to that |
| 09:59.28 | johnx | Very positive attitude :P You're probably out of luck then |
| 10:00.47 | timeless_mbp | SkyscraperN900: s/to/do/ ?? |
| 10:01.23 | SkyscraperN900 | johnx does this help? http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/media/radio/radio-bcm2048.c |
| 10:02.42 | johnx | well huh |
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| 10:02.45 | johnx | that's interesting :) |
| 10:03.23 | timeless_mbp | is glad to see people using mxr :) |
| 10:03.45 | jacekowski | SkyscraperN900: it's easy to change region |
| 10:03.54 | SkyscraperN900 | jacekowski how? |
| 10:03.57 | jacekowski | SkyscraperN900: just echo 4 > /sys/somewhere/region |
| 10:04.04 | jacekowski | after module is loaded |
| 10:04.22 | SkyscraperN900 | jacekowski yes done it already |
| 10:04.23 | johnx | find /sys -name region |
| 10:04.34 | jacekowski | AFTER module is loaded |
| 10:04.56 | SkyscraperN900 | done /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022 # echo 4 > region |
| 10:04.58 | johnx | would the radio app itself have a fixed range, possibly? |
| 10:05.33 | jacekowski | SkyscraperN900: that's fmtx |
| 10:05.35 | SkyscraperN900 | jacekowski then v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all |
| 10:05.56 | SkyscraperN900 | shows Frequency range : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz |
| 10:06.13 | jacekowski | ok |
| 10:06.17 | jacekowski | and now it's done |
| 10:06.34 | SkyscraperN900 | but when i set v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 76.0 |
| 10:06.48 | SkyscraperN900 | i get VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error |
| 10:06.56 | jacekowski | try 77 |
| 10:06.58 | johnx | Try 76.1? |
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| 10:07.13 | SkyscraperN900 | same error |
| 10:07.20 | jacekowski | try 100 |
| 10:07.27 | SkyscraperN900 | allows only 87.5 to 108.0 |
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| 10:07.34 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 10:07.44 | jacekowski | you have to recompile |
| 10:07.55 | SkyscraperN900 | for example: Frequency set to 1668800 (104.300000 MHz) |
| 10:07.56 | jacekowski | it looks like on the fly frequency change is unsupported |
| 10:08.10 | jacekowski | try japanese firmware |
| 10:08.18 | jacekowski | well, japanese kernel |
| 10:08.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeek |
| 10:08.39 | jacekowski | there isn't a japanese firmware, isn't it? |
| 10:08.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | arigato |
| 10:08.59 | nid0 | intreresting |
| 10:09.12 | SkyscraperN900 | cant i just modify the kernel driver for radio to 76-108 mhz for all regions? |
| 10:09.16 | nid0 | -testing can have two versions of the same package if one of them has been unlocked but not actually promoted? |
| 10:09.24 | jacekowski | SkyscraperN900: you can |
| 10:09.29 | BCMM | i can't remember - does the n900 ship with vi, or did i have to install that? |
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| 10:09.37 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.42 | nid0 | BCMM it needs installing, it's in extras |
| 10:10.02 | johnx | BCMM, it ships with a quite stripped down version that's part of busybox. Certainly doesn't have vim by default though |
| 10:10.13 | SkyscraperN900 | how to modify those driver, jacekowski ? |
| 10:10.21 | BCMM | ah, bb has a vi implementation; that explains it |
| 10:10.26 | jacekowski | well, open a text editor |
| 10:10.29 | jacekowski | modify it |
| 10:10.29 | jacekowski | save |
| 10:10.31 | jacekowski | close |
| 10:10.39 | jacekowski | compile |
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| 10:10.40 | jacekowski | flash |
| 10:10.46 | jacekowski | or you can go hardcore |
| 10:10.49 | jacekowski | and |
| 10:10.59 | jacekowski | modify binary driver |
| 10:11.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | hexedit :-P |
| 10:11.04 | jacekowski | so you don't have to flash |
| 10:11.17 | SkyscraperN900 | how to compile? cant i just replace only the binary? |
| 10:11.29 | SkyscraperN900 | without flashing |
| 10:11.40 | jacekowski | you have to flash whole kernel |
| 10:11.51 | jacekowski | not full fiasco image |
| 10:11.53 | jacekowski | just kernel |
| 10:11.58 | SkyscraperN900 | hm |
| 10:11.58 | jacekowski | + modules |
| 10:12.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh, why? |
| 10:12.10 | SkyscraperN900 | i think thats to hardcore for me ;( |
| 10:12.14 | jacekowski | different toolchain |
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| 10:12.16 | johnx | isn't the radio driver a module though? |
| 10:12.20 | jacekowski | it will taint the kernel |
| 10:12.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | errrrr?? |
| 10:12.39 | jacekowski | well, if you can live with tainted kernel you can only replace module |
| 10:13.34 | SkyscraperN900 | hoped its easy to use those freqs. but it seems not. i'm not good enough to modify kernel -.- |
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| 10:13.57 | jacekowski | that's simple mod |
| 10:14.04 | jacekowski | if you can use google |
| 10:14.06 | johnx | jacekowski, so you're positive it needs to be set at compile time? |
| 10:14.24 | jacekowski | default region |
| 10:14.24 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:14.52 | johnx | and what's the name of the module? *not seeing any bcmXXX here ...* |
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| 10:15.22 | SkyscraperN900 | why change region? when i just modify the driver? to say region 2 has band 76-108, too? |
| 10:15.42 | jacekowski | well, both changes are simple |
| 10:15.56 | johnx | well, if you could figure out how to change it to region 4, you'd have 76.0 to 108.0 |
| 10:15.59 | SkyscraperN900 | can you do that?! |
| 10:16.07 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:16.12 | jacekowski | in ~5 minutes |
| 10:16.17 | jacekowski | maybe less |
| 10:16.23 | SkyscraperN900 | can you do it for me? xD |
| 10:16.29 | jacekowski | + time required to find my phone |
| 10:16.34 | jacekowski | and i probably left it in my car |
| 10:16.52 | jacekowski | unless you can send me a copy of that driver |
| 10:16.55 | SkyscraperN900 | i need hours or days for that i think |
| 10:17.09 | SkyscraperN900 | copy from where? |
| 10:17.14 | jacekowski | /lib/modules |
| 10:17.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | me wonders if we could go for 50..180 |
| 10:17.24 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: not according to datasheet |
| 10:17.26 | SkyscraperN900 | no |
| 10:17.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | which datasheet??? |
| 10:17.40 | SkyscraperN900 | bcm2048 can go 76-108 |
| 10:17.43 | jacekowski | the one on interwebs |
| 10:17.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha |
| 10:18.14 | jacekowski | http://www.datasheetpro.com/595821_download_BCM2048_datasheet.html |
| 10:18.19 | jacekowski | well, "datasheet" |
| 10:18.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 10:18.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | pamphlet |
| 10:18.33 | SkyscraperN900 | jacekowski having 2 folders in /lib/modules |
| 10:18.41 | MohammadAG | current |
| 10:18.54 | jacekowski | what are the names |
| 10:19.15 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, if there are 2, one is current, one is -omap1, both are the same |
| 10:19.18 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 10:19.32 | jacekowski | just type find | grep 2048 |
| 10:19.40 | jacekowski | and send that to jacekowski@jacekowski.org |
| 10:19.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | err wut? |
| 10:19.53 | SkyscraperN900 | have found it |
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| 10:20.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: i don't have my phone with me |
| 10:20.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | find . -name '.*2048.*' |
| 10:20.23 | jacekowski | that would work as well |
| 10:20.27 | jacekowski | but grep is shorter |
| 10:20.48 | SkyscraperN900 | radio-bcm2048.ko |
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| 10:21.25 | jacekowski | hmm, somebody keeps sending me e-mail with subject |
| 10:21.28 | skyscraper | so, now on pc, too - easier |
| 10:21.33 | jacekowski | "Your wife photos attached" |
| 10:21.43 | skyscraper | can you repost mail-adress? |
| 10:21.50 | MohammadAG | you... never mentioned you had a wife... so I'm assuming you don't? |
| 10:21.57 | jacekowski | and i don't remember that i was so drunk to marry somebody |
| 10:22.03 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 10:22.07 | jacekowski | jacekowski@jacekowski.org |
| 10:22.16 | jacekowski | and well, it's not getting caught on spam filters |
| 10:22.20 | jacekowski | which worries me even more |
| 10:22.45 | tobis87 | jacekowski: Morning, did you had a look at the aes module? |
| 10:22.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | so look into that mail, dude! or you'll never know whom you married |
| 10:23.54 | jacekowski | tobis87: nope |
| 10:23.59 | brolin_empey | jacekowski: Would my record be selected if I was female? I am 80 kg, 191 cm, 23 years young, but the Y chromosome was not my choice. :) |
| 10:24.01 | MohammadAG | time to test debootstrapping lucid xD |
| 10:25.12 | jacekowski | brolin_empey: you would need tits |
| 10:25.24 | MohammadAG | dd makes an exact copy of a partition right? |
| 10:25.31 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes |
| 10:25.45 | MohammadAG | so I needn't worry about permissions and crap |
| 10:26.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | vme humms 'tainted kernel' by 'micro soft cell' |
| 10:26.12 | brolin_empey | And apparently my prime year of birth is the same as tobis87? :) |
| 10:26.21 | pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RBSrUtX0bA Mr Bungle - Stubb (A Dub) [ode to one of the band members' dogs] |
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| 10:26.32 | jacekowski | i'm going to eat something |
| 10:27.08 | jacekowski | tobis87: that module is only part of solution |
| 10:27.18 | tobis87 | jacekowski: Well, I think it's the only driver which is missing on the n900 |
| 10:27.25 | jacekowski | tobis87: i would like to store key in some secure are as well |
| 10:27.28 | jacekowski | area* |
| 10:27.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: dd does a block copy if you copy a block device |
| 10:27.41 | jacekowski | tobis87: so it would behave like a non encrypted phone |
| 10:27.42 | tobis87 | jacekowski: something like a tpm chip? |
| 10:27.52 | jacekowski | sort of |
| 10:28.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, which means I can restore partition tables right? |
| 10:28.05 | jacekowski | tpm does more stuff as well |
| 10:28.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 10:28.13 | jacekowski | m-shield would do the job |
| 10:28.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | WAAAAAAH TPM D-: |
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| 10:29.20 | jacekowski | well, encrypted partition |
| 10:29.21 | tobis87 | jacekowski: yes, but it is can be broken, the best area for a key to store is your brain, or steghide it inside some picture. |
| 10:29.23 | skyscraper_ | internet explorer crashed xD |
| 10:29.31 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: i mailed it to you ;) |
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| 10:29.36 | jacekowski | + remote wipe |
| 10:29.43 | jacekowski | but instead of wiping partition |
| 10:29.55 | jaska | < DocScrutinizer51> vme humms 'tainted kernel' by 'micro soft cell' <- haha |
| 10:30.09 | tobis87 | jacekowski: how do you want to wipe a flash based drive? |
| 10:30.15 | jacekowski | i don't |
| 10:30.21 | jacekowski | i just want to wipe a key |
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| 10:30.26 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: did you get mail? |
| 10:30.31 | jacekowski | so if phone was wiped because you weren't sure where it is |
| 10:30.34 | jacekowski | you can get data back |
| 10:30.43 | jacekowski | by typing that key from keyboard |
| 10:31.09 | jacekowski | but if anything happens key is wiped automaticaly + remote wipe support as well |
| 10:31.11 | jacekowski | skyscraper_: yep |
| 10:31.13 | brolin_empey | jacekowski: My breasts are already the same size as a girl's, but they would probably be larger if I was a woman. ;) |
| 10:31.42 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if we are talking about same kind of girls |
| 10:31.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | TPM is BS! mega BS |
| 10:32.47 | brolin_empey | jacekowski: I mean a literal girl as in a female human child, not a colloquialism for a young woman. |
| 10:33.12 | tobis87 | jacekowski: I don't know how you can do it on the n900, but I onced had the idea to store a key inside the EBR, since only not all of the 64bytes are used for the extended partition record. if you have more than one logical volume you could split the key between the ebr's. |
| 10:33.56 | jacekowski | according to limited information i found |
| 10:34.04 | jacekowski | m-shield provides secure storage as well |
| 10:34.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | tobis87: and what's the use of such kinky thing? |
| 10:35.33 | jacekowski | hmm, strange word to use there |
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| 10:36.42 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer51: I think nobody would expect you, to do such a kinky thing, also if you dd the partiton, you could not find the key and it really looks like random data if it is stored in the ebr. |
| 10:37.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 10:37.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | I could think of a dozen better ways to 'hide' some data |
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| 10:38.35 | johnx | First way: Memorize it |
| 10:38.49 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer51: Maybe they do know now :-D , I mean they already take dsl router with them if they search your home nowadays. At least that is what I have heard. |
| 10:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly |
| 10:38.53 | yannux | hy |
| 10:40.15 | jacekowski | oO |
| 10:40.21 | jacekowski | that driver doesn't match the source |
| 10:40.39 | tobis87 | jacekowski: which driver? |
| 10:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 10:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | seems nothing in maemo really does |
| 10:41.06 | yannux | I'm trying to overclock my N900, but now after rebooting, always go to Nokia screen, and shutdown, and go again to Nokia screen...shutdown...Etc... :s |
| 10:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell yannux about omap-oc |
| 10:41.43 | yannux | someone know how can I do to make it better? |
| 10:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | flash stock kernel |
| 10:41.57 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: what ? |
| 10:42.30 | TermanaN900 | build a time machine and not overclock in the first place? |
| 10:42.33 | yannux | but battery is not full charged :s |
| 10:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | and modules :-P |
| 10:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | yannux: too bad. You've been warned |
| 10:43.15 | yannux | yes .... i know.... |
| 10:43.34 | yannux | what a shit day >.> |
| 10:43.47 | tobis87 | jacekowski: the aes module needs some kernel part as well, I merged the kernel part into it. i double checked that the aes2_ick instruction is availible in the n900 kernel tree. |
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| 10:44.50 | yannux | during the flashing with usb cable , is it charging ? |
| 10:44.51 | tobis87 | jacekowski: http://pastebin.com/14rfNjUe , the diff http://pastebin.com/ZDJV5P7Z |
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| 10:45.47 | tobis87 | jacekowski: the original http://pastebin.com/FN9SdUZ5 |
| 10:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | yannux: nope |
| 10:47.13 | yannux | bad day |
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| 10:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | yannux: you reached deadlock state. Only way out: get external charger or other means to have a fully charged battery, without using the N900 |
| 10:48.03 | yannux | ok thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 10:48.10 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: looks like we were right in the end, OC will kill your device, and ruin your sunday |
| 10:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 10:48.25 | yannux | completly ! |
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| 10:48.54 | yannux | first and last |
| 10:49.00 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: have you done it?^^ |
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| 10:51.11 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: when I press u during the nokia screen, it doesn't shutdown, static screen with usb logo on top right corner |
| 10:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | great, so try to flash COMBINED stock fiasco img |
| 10:53.48 | yannux | so if there is usb logo seems that is charging ? |
| 10:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 10:54.37 | yannux | oh ? :s |
| 10:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | it means it's in flash mode, and it doesn't charge in flash mode |
| 10:54.50 | yannux | ok :s |
| 10:55.05 | yannux | and if it stop during flash, what's the risk ? |
| 10:55.35 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: i'm short away to shower ... |
| 10:56.16 | jacekowski | ok |
| 10:56.18 | jacekowski | yep |
| 10:56.19 | jacekowski | done |
| 10:56.21 | brolin_empey | jacekowski: See first comment on <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30174547&l=595bcd0e6b&id=1100739329>. ;) |
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| 10:57.55 | jacekowski | skyscraper_: are you there? |
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| 10:58.42 | jacekowski | skyscraper_: option one - offset 0x2774 - change 0x02 to 0x04 |
| 10:58.49 | jacekowski | skyscraper_: that will change default region |
| 10:59.24 | jacekowski | option two |
| 10:59.49 | jacekowski | 0x459c - here are the region_info structures |
| 11:00.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | yannux: for your case? None |
| 11:00.35 | jacekowski | file offsets |
| 11:00.40 | jacekowski | not memory offsets |
| 11:01.07 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: ok so if it's stop, just need to retry with full battery ? |
| 11:01.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 11:01.45 | jacekowski | well, there is no way to damage phone using software |
| 11:01.58 | jacekowski | you would have to unlock otp areas |
| 11:02.02 | jacekowski | and then wipe config |
| 11:02.12 | jacekowski | that's only case when it wouldn't boot |
| 11:02.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: bet? |
| 11:02.42 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: ok thanks |
| 11:02.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-P |
| 11:02.44 | jacekowski | ok, what do you propose? |
| 11:02.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | yannux: np |
| 11:03.04 | jacekowski | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd can be recovered with coldflash |
| 11:03.05 | yannux | I must flash only PR or emmc vanilla too ? |
| 11:03.29 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, I can confirm |
| 11:03.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: 100bucks, on my sw damaging your N900 |
| 11:03.41 | MohammadAG | a cold flash requires a bootloader image |
| 11:03.45 | MohammadAG | 2nd image |
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| 11:03.55 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: OC doesn't count |
| 11:03.59 | jacekowski | and overvoltage as well |
| 11:04.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah |
| 11:04.24 | skyscraper_ | #back |
| 11:04.28 | MohammadAG | hands DocScrutinizer51 i2c-tools |
| 11:04.43 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer51: If I remove the 6 Philips screws from the back of my N900 (where the battery is), can I easily access the PCB with the micro USB socket? |
| 11:04.48 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: im back |
| 11:05.05 | jacekowski | skyscraper_: read what i said earlier |
| 11:05.22 | MohammadAG | brolin_empey, they're not 6 screws |
| 11:05.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | brolin_empey: 2 are T5 and yes, in theory you can |
| 11:05.31 | MohammadAG | they're 4 PH0s and 2 are T6 |
| 11:05.38 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: offset 0x2774 - change 0x02 to 0x04 would help? |
| 11:05.42 | jacekowski | yes |
| 11:05.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, T6 |
| 11:05.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe |
| 11:05.55 | jacekowski | unless something else is blocking it |
| 11:05.58 | MohammadAG | I'm sure of it |
| 11:06.06 | MohammadAG | since I couldn't find less than 6 xD |
| 11:06.10 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: I must flash only PR or emmc vanilla too ? |
| 11:06.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 11:06.23 | jacekowski | yannux: it's the best to flash both |
| 11:06.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | vanilla is not needed |
| 11:06.58 | yannux | sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R is this command enough ? |
| 11:07.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 11:08.16 | yannux | so : sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R ? |
| 11:08.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need to flash the full image, so no -flash-only |
| 11:08.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 11:09.02 | yannux | ok |
| 11:09.09 | yannux | so let's go |
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| 11:09.59 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: now when i start the fmradio i have region set to 4 automatically.. and v412-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all say freqency range is 76.0 to 108.0 MHz.... - but again: when i try to set v4l2-ctl |
| 11:10.12 | jacekowski | show me your dmesg |
| 11:10.15 | skyscraper_ | to -f 76.0 i get error |
| 11:10.16 | jacekowski | after you try that |
| 11:10.21 | brolin_empey | MohammadAG: Yes, you are correct: the 2 bottom screws are Torx, not Philips. I should have looked closer. :) |
| 11:10.33 | skyscraper_ | dmesg? |
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| 11:11.37 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: flash in progress. ..it's seems fast |
| 11:12.04 | MohammadAG | skyscraper_, dmesg in terminal |
| 11:12.06 | yannux | Steep programming cmt |
| 11:12.12 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 11:12.20 | MohammadAG | Longest two steps in flashing, erasing and programming the cmt |
| 11:12.48 | yannux | yes :D thanks a lot DocScrutinizer for your advise ! |
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| 11:13.05 | jacekowski | skyscraper_: it might be fmrx itself blocking lower frequencies |
| 11:13.05 | yannux | advice* |
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| 11:13.06 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: theres nothing in dmesg.. |
| 11:13.22 | skyscraper_ | jacekowski: but why? the chip itself allows 76-108? |
| 11:13.36 | jacekowski | but it may be preprogrammed by nokia |
| 11:13.46 | skyscraper_ | on the chip? |
| 11:13.50 | jacekowski | to be blocked in eu version |
| 11:14.00 | jacekowski | without full datasheet it's hard to tell |
| 11:14.10 | jacekowski | try unloading module and using i2c to talk to it |
| 11:14.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | strace |
| 11:14.26 | jacekowski | you can't strace modules |
| 11:14.54 | skyscraper_ | http://www.ic-on-line.cn/IOL/datasheet/bcm2048_1119264.pdf |
| 11:15.25 | jacekowski | that's useless |
| 11:15.29 | jacekowski | full datasheet would be ncie |
| 11:15.31 | jacekowski | nice* |
| 11:15.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, but you can strace the app v2ctl |
| 11:19.07 | skyscraper_ | i dont understand why v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 76.0 fails.... - when i echo region 2 and say that ill get an error VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Numerical argument out of domain - but when i have region 4 i get VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error |
| 11:19.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw I suggest to recompile that app |
| 11:19.17 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: seems that doing reboot with xterm cause my N900 fails |
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| 11:20.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | yannux: sorry? |
| 11:21.18 | yannux | after installing needed package for overclock, I ve reboot by sudo gainroot, reboot |
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| 11:21.29 | yannux | someone who do like me was crashing too |
| 11:21.56 | marmoute | yannux: omg, you told DocScrutinizer51 about Overclocking, run for your live ! |
| 11:22.15 | yannux | yes marmoute :) but I saved me ! |
| 11:23.02 | yannux | but my N900 is often slowly :s |
| 11:23.28 | yannux | mp3 + web + sms make it alway slow :( |
| 11:24.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ |
| 11:24.10 | yannux | here just after flashing, display sms make all interface slow :( |
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| 11:24.37 | yannux | close the sms window ~3seconds |
| 11:25.24 | yannux | no application running, and switching between 4 desktop makte it slow :s little freeze :s |
| 11:25.38 | lcuk | yannux, after reflashing did you restore from your backup and put all the apps back on |
| 11:25.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, I changed my mind. Probably you *should* flash vanilla as well |
| 11:25.55 | yannux | lcuk: no |
| 11:26.05 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: oh ok :) I think I'll do it |
| 11:26.09 | lcuk | can you make a short video showing your specific delays |
| 11:26.17 | lcuk | ahh ok nm |
| 11:26.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | notice you always need to flash rootfs same step when flashing eMMC/vanilla |
| 11:26.47 | skyscraper_ | hm... i must go ;( - jacekowski if you find a way, write me mail xD |
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| 11:26.59 | yannux | waiting more charging and go |
| 11:27.00 | yannux | yes, first kernel without -R and after the emmc |
| 11:27.42 | MohammadAG | huh |
| 11:28.19 | MohammadAG | you can't flash the eMMC without flashing the fiasco |
| 11:28.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wake MohammadAG |
| 11:28.54 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:29.05 | skyscraper_ | good bye all |
| 11:29.25 | MohammadAG | illegal instruction = problem related to the CPU right? |
| 11:29.26 | yannux | lcuk: i'll do vanilla flash too, and see if it's better |
| 11:29.35 | MohammadAG | what the... |
| 11:29.41 | MohammadAG | vanilla = eMMC |
| 11:30.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: did this chane recently? :-P |
| 11:31.01 | yannux | ? |
| 11:31.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yannux: nm |
| 11:31.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | yannux: MohammadAG forgot his glasses |
| 11:31.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, no, he mentioned he's reflashing the kernel, then the eMMC, then the vanilla |
| 11:31.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope he didn't |
| 11:32.15 | yannux | emmc isn't same as vanilla? |
| 11:32.21 | MohammadAG | <yannux> yes, first kernel without -R and after the emmc <yannux> lcuk: i'll do vanilla flash too, and see if it's better |
| 11:32.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes it is |
| 11:32.26 | MohammadAG | eMMC = vanilla |
| 11:32.37 | yannux | ok yes :) |
| 11:32.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | so what? |
| 11:32.57 | yannux | my bad english perhaps we didn't understand |
| 11:33.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wake MohammadAG again |
| 11:33.02 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG again and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 11:33.41 | MohammadAG | do that once more and you'll have a nuke vising germany :P |
| 11:33.48 | MohammadAG | visiting* |
| 11:34.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | read your backscroll, will improve your trolling performance :-D |
| 11:35.22 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:35.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: yannux used vanilla and eMMC as synonyms |
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| 11:35.45 | MohammadAG | they are synonyms lol |
| 11:35.53 | technomike | hey guys |
| 11:36.01 | MohammadAG | wow, laptop stutters more than the N900 now |
| 11:36.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes and everybody is aware of that |
| 11:36.03 | MohammadAG | hey technomike |
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| 11:42.05 | lcuk | i found out about some really cool thermoplastic stuff last night |
| 11:42.05 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzghjRrZZws |
| 11:42.05 | lcuk | for making prototype mouldings of stuff |
| 11:42.05 | lcuk | http://www.tomps.com/shop/polymorph-thermoplastic-250g-p-208.html |
| 11:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hihi laptop - uninstall PA shit and smile |
| 11:42.36 | lcuk | has ordered some and will try making a portrait stand for n900 |
| 11:43.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and what's an alternative to that? |
| 11:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | learn to love stuttering audio? :-P |
| 11:43.34 | MohammadAG | that = pulseaudio lol |
| 11:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 11:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | ALSA of course |
| 11:44.45 | technomike | had an accident with my n900 and now the right speaker isn't working. do i take it to a mobile repair shop? |
| 11:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | like it's been since ~10y until some gross guru decided to shove PA down everybodies throat |
| 11:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | again! |
| 11:45.29 | jacekowski | technomike: not any shop |
| 11:45.34 | jacekowski | technomike: nokia approved |
| 11:45.39 | technomike | ah |
| 11:45.54 | technomike | so nokia service point |
| 11:45.57 | jacekowski | technomike: otherwise they may just fuck it up |
| 11:45.58 | MohammadAG | check your power button when they send it back :P |
| 11:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 11:46.24 | technomike | check power button? wtf lol |
| 11:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | and also take a picture of screen from side, so when they make ditches to it you can complain |
| 11:47.09 | MohammadAG | they scratched yours? |
| 11:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | It has a slight "hill" |
| 11:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | they obviously somewhat forced the new LCD main PCB into the upper half |
| 11:48.31 | jacekowski | well, i would just go to them with paper that i gave them a phone with no scratches on screen |
| 11:48.40 | jacekowski | or scratches here and there |
| 11:48.57 | jacekowski | signature and data |
| 11:49.00 | jacekowski | date* |
| 11:49.07 | jacekowski | if they scratched it more then it's their problem |
| 11:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | better do a video of the dude in shop inspecting the device :-) |
| 11:49.52 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: For your new pulseaudio package, which module needs to be modified in order to use it with the stock kernel? |
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| 11:50.40 | technomike | new pulseaudio eh? |
| 11:50.54 | technomike | does that fix the glitching audio when multitasking |
| 11:50.55 | kerio | new pulseaudio! |
| 11:50.56 | tobis87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.03 | kerio | does it not run now? |
| 11:51.17 | kerio | that's the only improvement i can think of |
| 11:51.19 | tobis87 | kerio: yes but only with the power kernel |
| 11:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | >>Hello! I have figured out that you have an available job. I am quiet intrested in it. So I send you my resume, Looking forward to your reply. Thank you.<< attachment: My_Resume_ID478.zip |
| 11:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA |
| 11:52.21 | technomike | finally then!!!! no more stuttering!! |
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| 11:53.07 | technomike | thanks mohammadAG |
| 11:53.27 | MohammadAG | you're welcome :) |
| 11:53.30 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: P.S. the password for the zip file is "viruscheckpassed" |
| 11:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 11:53.39 | MohammadAG | btw, what I gathered is that the newest package doesn't stutter at all |
| 11:53.44 | technomike | and thanks tobis87 for link |
| 11:54.02 | MohammadAG | the one I hosted is not the newest one |
| 11:54.12 | MohammadAG | that one is locked down in the depths of maemo.org |
| 11:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | nokia.com? |
| 11:55.25 | pigeon | i'm still curious about this photo: http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg what app and setup is that? |
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| 11:56.18 | lcuk | Kegetys, perhaps you would be best to answer that for pigeon |
| 11:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | special LOL for >>I am quiet intrested<< |
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| 11:57.09 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: it must be a real person then, with typos :) |
| 11:58.06 | pigeon | ah... kegetys.net, i should have known... |
| 11:58.22 | kerio | i want a pr1.3 with bugfixes :( |
| 11:58.40 | psycho_oreos | lol will that ever come out? |
| 11:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: tomorrow |
| 11:59.51 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, pr1.3? world release?!?! |
| 12:00.07 | psycho_oreos | holy cow I am so far behind the times heh |
| 12:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | sure, called harmattan MH |
| 12:01.00 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: So the locked down package, is it a official package and will it be availible in pr1.3? |
| 12:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 |
| 12:01.07 | infobot | pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now..... |
| 12:01.20 | MohammadAG | yes, if that's available |
| 12:01.25 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> nokia.com? no |
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| 12:03.52 | technomike | oh no... :( its another one of those times where I feel like such a noob. But its a learning step so yeah... just installed kernel-power and typed wget then the address of all.tar.gz |
| 12:04.01 | technomike | now! to install that |
| 12:04.24 | technomike | what do i do? apt-get install ? |
| 12:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | eummm |
| 12:05.56 | tobis87 | technomike: You have not just installed the power kernel, only because of the pulseaudio fix? The power kernel causes much more trouble, than having the sound shuttering. |
| 12:07.05 | technomike | oh no!!! I did not realise. |
| 12:07.13 | tobis87 | technomike: apt-get install gtar; gtar xfz all.tar.gz; dpkg -i *.deb |
| 12:07.33 | technomike | So you don't reccommend the power kernel? |
| 12:07.49 | MohammadAG | tobis87, like what? |
| 12:07.57 | MohammadAG | if you don't OC, it shouldn't cause problems |
| 12:09.34 | tobis87 | technomike: I think the power kernel is bloated. For troubles e.g. the fcam-driver or the modules in extra-devel. |
| 12:10.19 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: It also removes the 125mhz step. |
| 12:10.31 | MohammadAG | by default? |
| 12:10.42 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 12:10.50 | MohammadAG | fcam-drivers was sorted by the fcam team |
| 12:10.56 | MohammadAG | I think it works on all kernels atm |
| 12:11.43 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: Yes, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=597703&postcount=141 |
| 12:13.30 | MohammadAG | so it doesn't run at 125? |
| 12:13.47 | MohammadAG | he removed 125MHz |
| 12:13.49 | MohammadAG | that's unstable |
| 12:13.54 | MohammadAG | and not in the stock kernel |
| 12:14.46 | psycho_oreos | I can't see how removing 125MHz issue would be really problematic, I am using power kernel now and talking through VoIP with bluetooth headset and I can see via conky that the CPU is using 500MHz |
| 12:15.25 | psycho_oreos | sure maybe power usage would be pretty piss poor considering the ARM is working its ass off but I'm sure it wouldn't be all that bad |
| 12:16.05 | yannux | lcuk: flash done, but sms display seems always slow :s but there is only one contact to display :s |
| 12:16.32 | lcuk | make a video? |
| 12:16.40 | lcuk | see if others agree |
| 12:16.48 | yannux | ok |
| 12:17.12 | yannux | using load applet video function is good ? |
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| 12:17.15 | tobis87 | psycho_oreos: Maybe, but if something is not working, it would be hard to pinpoint if it was caused by the kernel or by the application. |
| 12:19.42 | psycho_oreos | tobis87, partially true |
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| 12:20.53 | tobis87 | psycho_oreos: He modified all sort of things in the power kernel. The diff between the stock and the power has a size of 4MB. |
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| 12:22.13 | psycho_oreos | tobis87, you mean between the normal titan's power kernel and tobis's power kernel ontop of titan's? |
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| 12:25.11 | tobis87 | psycho_oreos: No, between the nokia's stock kernel and the titan's power kernel. I only modify kernel modules for myself, the only stuff I have taken from the titan kernel was the wifi monitor patch. |
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| 12:26.32 | psycho_oreos | tobis87, ahh ok fair enough |
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| 12:28.54 | lcuk | awesome, ninja bread men http://thedailywh.at/post/979316514/kickass-cookie-cutters-of-the-day-coming-soon |
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| 12:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | yannux: never worked for me |
| 12:32.50 | yannux | ah ? it's running here |
| 12:35.38 | yannux | when i go to Downlod in application manager , it's very slow too before displaying application categories |
| 12:36.17 | yannux | Download* |
| 12:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | yannux: amazing. I always got black screen video |
| 12:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | maybe should give it another try |
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| 12:39.49 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: hum not goo to do vidéo with it, it's running faster than real |
| 12:40.18 | yannux | good |
| 12:40.43 | yannux | lcuk: I'l try to do a video soon, video from N900 playing too fast, |
| 12:40.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least it actually does something now for me :-) |
| 12:40.54 | lcuk | then use a normal camera |
| 12:41.00 | yannux | seems that load applet do many screenshot |
| 12:41.04 | yannux | don't have one |
| 12:41.07 | lcuk | or is the problme not as big as you think |
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| 12:41.52 | yannux | perhaps is not big, but is very disapointing me |
| 12:42.10 | yannux | once I've another camera I'll do it |
| 12:42.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: do wideo with frontcam + mirror? :-D |
| 12:42.30 | yannux | :D |
| 12:43.05 | yannux | this is when I have one contact sms or 3, 4 more.. |
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| 12:44.22 | lcuk | yannux, this is why i am interested in seeing it |
| 12:44.30 | lcuk | i want to know which expectation is broken |
| 12:44.50 | yannux | seems that it's slow to load old message thats are displayed before |
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| 12:45.00 | yannux | I'll try to do it soon |
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| 12:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | what exactly are you doing? contact sms? |
| 12:46.28 | yannux | sms with 3 or more contact |
| 12:46.51 | yannux | but with 1 contact, sometimes it's slow too for displaying the windows |
| 12:47.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't get what's a sms with a contact |
| 12:47.43 | yannux | sending sms |
| 12:47.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know sms and I know contacts |
| 12:48.04 | yannux | tchating by sms with many contact or one |
| 12:48.19 | yannux | contact= people for me :) |
| 12:48.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | sms are subsumed in conversations |
| 12:48.41 | yannux | sending to one or more people |
| 12:48.43 | yannux | sms are often slow to display |
| 12:49.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeew multi-addressee sms |
| 12:49.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | never tested that |
| 12:49.30 | yannux | no, one by one |
| 12:50.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, normal conversations works rather snappy here |
| 12:52.12 | yannux | oh :s perhaps it's me but sometime it runs quickly, sometimes slowly. :s |
| 12:52.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | might be related to most of the threads in conversations are not addressed to addrbook contacts, with avatar and all that |
| 12:53.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | also to me it seems your device is running into massive swapping |
| 12:54.02 | tobis87 | New 8-Bit Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TrmDfsJFhg |
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| 12:54.49 | yannux | yes I was thinking that there is many thread, but here after the flashing, only threads with one people, arround 10 sms, sometimes slow to display |
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| 12:57.38 | lcuk | Khertan, so your packager can now give out debs or rpms? |
| 12:57.46 | lcuk | in a "semi standard" working manner? |
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| 12:58.57 | MohammadAG51 | what's worse than a kill -9? |
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| 12:59.33 | lcuk | kill -chainsaw |
| 12:59.44 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.54 | lcuk | Khertan, good to know you are looking anyway :) |
| 12:59.55 | ieatlint | just type "kill -9 1" :P |
| 13:00.13 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, as root on a server, kill random people's processes with -11 |
| 13:00.31 | Khertan | sudo kill -9 -1 |
| 13:00.31 | ieatlint | that's mean |
| 13:01.06 | Khertan | lcuk, and i'm specially looking how to generate package for OBS ... |
| 13:01.30 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: that's nasty |
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| 13:02.15 | MohammadAG51 | <ieatlint> just type "kill -9 1" :P |
| 13:02.16 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 13:02.17 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, it's true BOFH |
| 13:02.22 | MohammadAG51 | i wouldn't fall for that xD |
| 13:02.24 | yannux | DocScrutinizer: yes oftent big swapping |
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| 13:03.46 | MohammadAG51 | root@mohammad-laptop:~# kill -11 975 |
| 13:03.47 | yannux | often* |
| 13:03.47 | MohammadAG51 | root@mohammad-laptop:~# kill -11 975 |
| 13:03.51 | MohammadAG51 | root@mohammad-laptop:~# |
| 13:04.07 | MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, nope, it's not dying |
| 13:04.19 | ieatlint | MohammadAG51: i'm no longer cruel enough to suggest it if i thought you would :P |
| 13:04.35 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 13:04.47 | ieatlint | i might suggest you join channel #2,000 still though |
| 13:04.50 | MohammadAG51 | it would just kill the laptop till i reboot :P |
| 13:04.52 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 13:04.59 | MohammadAG51 | #2,0 works :P |
| 13:05.07 | ieatlint | anything ,0 does |
| 13:05.14 | MohammadAG51 | i know xD |
| 13:05.27 | MohammadAG51 | btw, i think it doesn't do anything on irssi |
| 13:05.38 | ieatlint | it's not client, it's server |
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| 13:05.45 | ieatlint | joining channel 0 is part of the irc rfc |
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| 13:06.55 | MohammadAG51 | so |
| 13:07.03 | MohammadAG51 | anything better than kill -11? |
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| 13:07.10 | MohammadAG51 | before i kill 1 |
| 13:07.35 | ieatlint | -9 should always work, if it doesn't, that's it... must be hung on an io call that you just need to wait out (or reboot) |
| 13:08.10 | ieatlint | in times where sigint doesn't work, sigquit can |
| 13:08.18 | ieatlint | (sometimes) |
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| 13:08.57 | MohammadAG51 | lol init isn't dying |
| 13:09.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | you're going to kill init?? o.O |
| 13:09.57 | Khertan | [#0] Welcome to #0 - the channel that shouldn't exist... |
| 13:10.24 | MohammadAG51 | Khertan, join 0, not #0 :P |
| 13:10.26 | ieatlint | not "#0", just "0" |
| 13:10.27 | lcuk | it does exist though :P |
| 13:10.49 | MohammadAG51 | <DocScrutinizer51> you're going to kill init?? o.O |
| 13:10.50 | MohammadAG51 | why not |
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| 13:11.04 | Khertan | lol |
| 13:11.14 | ieatlint | joining "#2,0" works because the rfc says you can join multiple channels in one statement, comma separated |
| 13:11.25 | ieatlint | so "join #2,0" says to join #2 and 0 |
| 13:11.28 | ieatlint | 0 is close all channels |
| 13:11.35 | Khertan | yep i see :) |
| 13:11.41 | MohammadAG51 | #o,0 is a bit subtle |
| 13:12.59 | MohammadAG51 | yay |
| 13:13.03 | MohammadAG51 | kill -11 1 worked |
| 13:13.07 | psycho_oreos | where is the file that stores the PATH variable? I remember it was in /etc somewhere but the name of the file escapes me |
| 13:13.20 | ieatlint | /etc/profile |
| 13:13.30 | psycho_oreos | ieatlint, thanks! |
| 13:13.34 | ieatlint | although you may have a file in your homedir that also modifies it |
| 13:13.50 | ieatlint | (eg, for bash, ~/.bash_profile which is run after /etc/profile ) |
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| 13:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | sigsegv init |
| 13:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head |
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| 13:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: why don't you use telinit? |
| 13:23.32 | ieatlint | if you want to see something funny, load http://www.google.com/search?q=οraclе |
| 13:24.14 | jacekowski | unicode o and e |
| 13:24.19 | jaska | not a real o |
| 13:25.00 | ieatlint | :P |
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| 13:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.com/search?q=gοοglе |
| 13:32.56 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google |
| 13:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | 8 vs 1.470.000.000 |
| 13:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gοοglе |
| 13:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: so what exactly was it you planned to tell me? |
| 13:37.29 | Termana | LOL - I can't believe Google/lmgtfy is so bad that some searches for google don't even show google |
| 13:37.48 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, this one then - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google&l=1 :P |
| 13:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: http://gοοglе.com |
| 13:38.14 | MohammadAG | I can't believe how much of a noob Termana is xD |
| 13:39.36 | Termana | I didn't realise how much MohammadAG wanted to be knocked over the head with a tin can on a string |
| 13:39.37 | Termana | Derp |
| 13:39.47 | MohammadAG | :p |
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| 13:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | might consider to create a new user account on tmo :-P |
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| 13:40.54 | MohammadAG | joerg_ro |
| 13:41.01 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, a roll account? |
| 13:41.01 | MohammadAG | read only |
| 13:41.08 | Termana | MohammadAG, :P |
| 13:41.21 | MohammadAG | what, he's rw now :p |
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| 13:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | thought more about jοеrg |
| 13:41.58 | MohammadAG | joerg_rw's k, why create a new account |
| 13:41.59 | ieatlint | if you want to see a real glitch with google, load https://google.com |
| 13:42.08 | ieatlint | then tell me if you're on ssl or not |
| 13:42.09 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, maybe you could use "DocScrutinizer" |
| 13:42.32 | MohammadAG | ugh, enough with google, go play pacman or something http://www.google.com/pacman/ |
| 13:42.49 | MohammadAG | Termana, he can PM a supermod/admin and have the name changed |
| 13:43.02 | Termana | ieatlint, you're not... did you check the address bar when you visited |
| 13:43.03 | MohammadAG | ieatlint, not ssl |
| 13:43.29 | ieatlint | yeah, that's my point |
| 13:43.36 | ieatlint | https://www.google.com will work |
| 13:43.45 | Termana | I mean, did you really expect Google to just decide "hey, lets give people an invalid url page when they they try this" |
| 13:43.48 | ieatlint | but their redirect from google.com will always strip ssl |
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| 13:44.38 | Termana | ieatlint, would it make you feel better if they pretended search was with ssl when you went to https? |
| 13:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: prolly intentional |
| 13:45.04 | ieatlint | Termana: search is with ssl if you go to https://www.google.com |
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| 13:45.36 | Termana | ieatlint, not for me |
| 13:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | even one of my mail providers does that sorta shit for each and every link on their webmailer site |
| 13:46.06 | ieatlint | Termana: then something is wrong, it should load an ssl page with a google doodle that says "ssl" and "beta" |
| 13:46.22 | Termana | ieatlint, must be a US only thing |
| 13:46.26 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: it was added after a lot of pleas by the eff and other organisations, and in contact with them |
| 13:46.47 | Termana | The Australia site doesn't do it |
| 13:46.58 | ieatlint | weird |
| 13:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: WFM |
| 13:47.22 | ieatlint | it's supposed to be more for non-US peoples |
| 13:47.36 | Termana | If I force it to go to the US site, it works for me. |
| 13:47.44 | Termana | But Australia has obviously not been included |
| 13:47.45 | ieatlint | the idea was people in restrictive places, where they could hide their search queries from anyone potentially watching |
| 13:48.18 | Termana | What does that tell you about the US? |
| 13:48.24 | Termana | compared to Australia |
| 13:48.25 | Termana | :P |
| 13:48.41 | ieatlint | that australia hates porn, especially women with small breasts |
| 13:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | perfectly sane rationale for things like https://google.com/?q=mao%20bastard |
| 13:49.20 | Termana | ieatlint, I was actually waiting for someone to say something about any potential australian internet filter |
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| 13:53.05 | jacekowski | well, you can get idea about search queries based on referes send to sites that you open |
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| 13:53.45 | ieatlint | true, and also based on what you actually load |
| 13:53.53 | ieatlint | like maosucks.com after google |
| 13:53.59 | ieatlint | still, a step in the right direction :P |
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| 13:56.54 | MohammadAG | LOL @ hildon-desktop's code |
| 13:57.02 | MohammadAG | I love the devs' song choice |
| 13:57.02 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.28 | wazd | hello all |
| 13:57.43 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
| 13:58.15 | wazd | Stskeeps: so many designers are already doing talks :) |
| 13:58.28 | Stskeeps | wazd: really? |
| 13:59.01 | wazd | Stskeeps: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/design-open |
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| 14:00.01 | wazd | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/10-tips-mobile-web-design |
| 14:00.25 | slonopotamus | gets flooded by comments on bug 9314 |
| 14:00.26 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 relicense N8x0 BME |
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| 14:01.10 | Stskeeps | i'm pondering to remove myself from CC as n8x0 is no way in hell it's getting opened |
| 14:01.29 | Stskeeps | and any progress on it was ruined by luke-jr's sudden change to n900 |
| 14:01.31 | Stskeeps | er, n8x0 |
| 14:01.53 | luke-jr | in that case it really IS Nokia's fault :P |
| 14:02.04 | Stskeeps | original name was 'relicense BME' |
| 14:02.13 | SpeedEvil | Yes - the original name wasn't inapproprate |
| 14:02.19 | SpeedEvil | and the discussion seemed positive. |
| 14:02.29 | SpeedEvil | Well - some of it |
| 14:02.34 | Stskeeps | things are changing a little bit, i mean, BME is going redistributable |
| 14:02.36 | SpeedEvil | changing title diddn't IMO contribute |
| 14:02.46 | Stskeeps | for n900, at least |
| 14:03.08 | Stskeeps | which fwiw was what i said was best case scenario back then |
| 14:03.12 | Stskeeps | 'Priority MEDIUM since it's not a blocker, but I propose placing BME under a |
| 14:03.12 | Stskeeps | license that allows binary redistribution and having that as goal. It's up for |
| 14:03.12 | Stskeeps | discussion though if there's better ideas, keeping all the above in mind. |
| 14:03.12 | Stskeeps | ' |
| 14:03.18 | luke-jr | relicensing N900 BME doesn't accomplish anything much |
| 14:03.22 | Stskeeps | sure it does |
| 14:03.26 | luke-jr | Nokia only seems to relicense useless code |
| 14:03.31 | wazd | Stskeeps: and even http://conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-slick-user-interfaces-using-qt-choosing-right-technology-your-app |
| 14:03.33 | wazd | :) |
| 14:03.40 | Stskeeps | wazd: i still think you have a niche |
| 14:03.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:03.58 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: how? sounds from IRC chatter that N900 BME is pointless and easily replacable |
| 14:04.16 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: still, no installable solution |
| 14:04.16 | Termana | wazd is just making excuses |
| 14:04.17 | Stskeeps | either way |
| 14:04.18 | Termana | :P |
| 14:04.22 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: yet |
| 14:04.27 | timeless_mbp | wazd: do they get points for cutting off the Intel logo on their sign? :) |
| 14:04.27 | kerio | luke-jr: yeah but having the source or at least the specifications of the bl5j allows us to make a real, guaranteed-to-work-except-not-because-of-the-gpl replacement |
| 14:04.31 | wazd | Stskeeps: I can meet all those people in the airport though :D |
| 14:04.35 | timeless_mbp | it reads 'ntel |
| 14:04.40 | Stskeeps | it's sunday, sunny, and all of you are idiots for not having a cold beer instead of ircing |
| 14:04.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:04.45 | Stskeeps | bbl |
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| 14:05.11 | kerio | Stskeeps: who says i don't have a cold beer here? |
| 14:05.17 | kerio | i mean, i don't, but i don't drink |
| 14:05.37 | SpeedEvil | Who says I don'e either. |
| 14:05.38 | wazd | timeless_mbp: who exactly? :) |
| 14:05.43 | SpeedEvil | Though I don't drink also. |
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| 14:06.12 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: the only reason I haven't bothered to make a workable daemon based on that script I found is because jrBME is doing a real one already |
| 14:06.22 | Termana | luke-jr, I think making software charge the battery is crappy full stop. Shouldn't need to argue the merits of how good/bad BME is |
| 14:06.43 | luke-jr | Termana: indeed⦠it has to use battery to charge battery :P |
| 14:06.47 | timeless_mbp | wazd: http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/meego-ntel.png |
| 14:07.06 | luke-jr | and this differentiation nonsense and "everyone else is going to do the same thing" nonsense⦠|
| 14:07.18 | luke-jr | not a SINGLE non-Nokia device to my knowledge has a closed battery charger daemon |
| 14:07.30 | luke-jr | I certainly hope they're not going to push things in that direction |
| 14:07.36 | luke-jr | that's open->closed, not closed->open |
| 14:07.59 | luke-jr | making formerly open things into closed things would make Nokia a direct enemy of free software |
| 14:08.16 | kerio | so we can insult them? awesome |
| 14:08.23 | wazd | timeless_mbp: aw :) Well, I think designer was more worried about showing beer than intel logo :P |
| 14:08.23 | Termana | timeless_mbp, get a bigger screen. If your talking about the one on the MeeGo site, it shows fine for me |
| 14:08.31 | Termana | wazd, :P |
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| 14:08.53 | timeless_mbp | Termana: wtf |
| 14:09.19 | timeless_mbp | my window is >800px |
| 14:09.19 | kerio | converting a dvd for the n900 to watch it on the tv because we have no dvd player... feels good man |
| 14:09.24 | timeless_mbp | that's more px than my n900 has |
| 14:09.35 | wazd | Termana: in fact sponsor's logo should be visible at any circumstances |
| 14:09.58 | Termana | wazd, Nokia's logo shows fine. Thats all that matters right? |
| 14:10.00 | Termana | Kidding :P |
| 14:10.00 | timeless_mbp | in fact, i had about 1040 px wide |
| 14:10.07 | timeless_mbp | that's >1024px |
| 14:10.14 | timeless_mbp | which is another *standard* screen size |
| 14:10.38 | Termana | timeless_mbp, I'm on 1280 x 1024 and it shows fine for me |
| 14:11.01 | Kegetys | pigeon: its dosbox running stunt island |
| 14:11.23 | pupnik_ | dosbox is the best (only) good reason for an x86 core to exist :P |
| 14:12.16 | Termana | delta, how? |
| 14:12.32 | delta | termana: how what? |
| 14:12.43 | Termana | delta, did your n900 break |
| 14:12.53 | delta | termana: gcc. |
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| 14:15.23 | Termana | I have no idea why he decided he would leave here and continue his N900 broken discussion in ##linux |
| 14:15.32 | kerio | timeless_mbp: 17" macbook pro? |
| 14:16.24 | kerio | my browser window is 1330px wide as of now |
| 14:16.26 | kerio | :D |
| 14:16.50 | wazd | use proper OSs for god sake :D |
| 14:17.12 | timeless_mbp | 15" i think |
| 14:17.19 | kerio | timeless_mbp: heh, small |
| 14:18.10 | timeless_mbp | you really consider a 17" model a laptop? |
| 14:18.16 | Termana | 15" YOU THINK? "Yeah, I got this Macbook Pro. Screen size? Oh well, I don't know, I brought it cause of the shiny apple logo" |
| 14:18.24 | kerio | well, i bought it to replace an imac |
| 14:18.30 | kerio | it's not really a laptop |
| 14:18.33 | kerio | but it's definetely portable |
| 14:18.38 | timeless_mbp | i bought it to get rid of full disk encryption and Nokia Windows |
| 14:18.41 | kerio | and by portable i mean i can use it while laying down on my bed |
| 14:18.45 | timeless_mbp | (not to be confused w/ Microsoft Windows) |
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| 14:19.34 | timeless_mbp | yours is ~1.5lbs heavier... |
| 14:19.53 | kerio | it's portable in the sense that i can carry it with me |
| 14:19.55 | timeless_mbp | this reporter on BBC is showing off |
| 14:19.58 | kerio | in a bag |
| 14:20.02 | kerio | and i can use it on my bed |
| 14:20.06 | timeless_mbp | he's saying the name of the volcano in iceland |
| 14:20.16 | timeless_mbp | (again, and again, and again) |
| 14:21.45 | wazd | something more than 13" is DTR imo :) |
| 14:22.16 | timeless_mbp | www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DTR ? |
| 14:23.04 | wazd | timeless_mbp: meh :) |
| 14:23.20 | wazd | timeless_mbp: desktop replacement :) |
| 14:23.22 | Termana | timeless_mbp, does that seem to fit the sentence? |
| 14:23.24 | timeless_mbp | one of the hits was NSFW |
| 14:23.35 | timeless_mbp | Termana: none of the hits did |
| 14:23.46 | timeless_mbp | would you prefer the NSFW link? |
| 14:23.51 | timeless_mbp | (hint: you don't) |
| 14:23.58 | Termana | timeless_mbp, you obviously are low on Google fu |
| 14:24.07 | timeless_mbp | nah, low on sleep |
| 14:24.19 | wazd | timeless_mbp: Drunk Texter's Remorse fits well :) |
| 14:25.03 | kerio | desktop replacement is what my mbp is |
| 14:25.21 | kerio | although it does have a comically long-lasting battery |
| 14:25.53 | Termana | If it ran an OS worthy of being a desktop OS, then you could call it a desktop replacement |
| 14:26.09 | wazd | kerio: it's too heavy to be 'really' portable |
| 14:26.29 | wazd | kerio: you can take it with you in a bag of course :) |
| 14:26.40 | kerio | define portable |
| 14:26.44 | kerio | i can carry it around |
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| 14:26.54 | kerio | i can't do that easily with a desktop |
| 14:26.54 | Termana | timeless_mbp, kerio, please enlighten me - for what exact reason do you use OS X, over say - Linux? |
| 14:27.03 | Termana | We don't need to discuss the merits of using it over Windows |
| 14:27.04 | Termana | :P |
| 14:27.18 | kerio | Termana: my macbook pro gives me a hardon |
| 14:27.20 | timeless_mbp | Termana: i'd use *anything* over linux |
| 14:27.26 | wazd | kerio: Thing that you can take with you without any difficulties |
| 14:27.34 | timeless_mbp | but really, corporate policy says: |
| 14:27.49 | timeless_mbp | if you laptop isn't running mac os x, it needs full disk encryption <period> |
| 14:27.51 | kerio | Termana: not a real hardon, mind you |
| 14:27.57 | kerio | timeless_mbp: huh? what about linux? |
| 14:28.06 | timeless_mbp | the policy for os x says "you can use filevault for your home drive" |
| 14:28.14 | timeless_mbp | kerio: why should linux be special? |
| 14:28.20 | kerio | why should os x be special? |
| 14:28.24 | timeless_mbp | it still needs full disk encryption |
| 14:28.27 | wazd | kerio: 3 kg is kinda heavy even for a trained man :) |
| 14:28.29 | Termana | kerio, I was about to say " 'nuff said" about it giving you a hard on but ok |
| 14:28.36 | Termana | :P |
| 14:28.45 | timeless_mbp | kerio: they trust os x to stick documents into the ~/Documents folder which is encrypted? |
| 14:28.55 | timeless_mbp | i wouldn't trust linux to do that |
| 14:29.04 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 14:29.09 | Termana | Why would you trust OS X to do that, when you can save them anywhere? |
| 14:29.10 | kerio | what? |
| 14:29.11 | timeless_mbp | asking why policy says X is stupid |
| 14:29.16 | kerio | why wouldn't trust linux to do that? |
| 14:29.18 | timeless_mbp | Termana: you can't |
| 14:29.24 | timeless_mbp | you can only save files in ~ |
| 14:29.26 | kerio | mounting /home on a truecrypt disk is not hard |
| 14:29.29 | timeless_mbp | which is encrypted |
| 14:29.38 | timeless_mbp | kerio: not an option per policy |
| 14:29.42 | timeless_mbp | arguing w/ policy is stupid |
| 14:29.48 | kerio | timeless_mbp: what? you can save documents everywhere |
| 14:29.57 | timeless_mbp | kerio: not w/o being root |
| 14:30.01 | timeless_mbp | and you aren't root on os x |
| 14:30.14 | timeless_mbp | well, i could save a file to /tmp |
| 14:30.17 | timeless_mbp | that's useful.. |
| 14:30.23 | kerio | i can create a file on / without the system asking for a password |
| 14:30.24 | kerio | and i'm not root |
| 14:30.35 | SpeedEvil | Swap is encrypted timeless_mbp? |
| 14:30.41 | kerio | SpeedEvil: it is |
| 14:30.48 | kerio | it's always encrypted, i thought |
| 14:30.53 | Termana | kerio, must be why its so slow |
| 14:30.55 | Termana | :D |
| 14:31.01 | kerio | no, maybe not |
| 14:31.06 | kerio | only when you enable filevault |
| 14:32.26 | Termana | kerio, but you still haven't given a real reason for your usage. timeless_mbp has been excused from his sin, due to corporate policy. |
| 14:32.35 | Termana | Tell us truthfully, do you have a man-crush on Steve Jobs |
| 14:32.51 | kerio | i kinda do |
| 14:33.05 | kerio | but seriously, the mbp is a slick piece of ass^Whardware |
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| 14:33.17 | kerio | and os x is good |
| 14:34.04 | kerio | also, team fortress 2 |
| 14:36.05 | jacekowski | i was using osx for couple days |
| 14:36.11 | jacekowski | and well, never again |
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| 14:36.19 | jacekowski | maclaptop maybe |
| 14:36.28 | jacekowski | but i'll probably buy sony as my next laptop |
| 14:36.37 | kerio | why? :( |
| 14:36.38 | SpeedEvil | I want to buy lenovo. |
| 14:36.45 | SpeedEvil | And get them to make 4:3 laptops again. |
| 14:36.57 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone spare several hundred million? |
| 14:37.09 | jacekowski | it's not that expensive |
| 14:37.31 | kerio | os x is kewl |
| 14:37.44 | jacekowski | kerio: why osx sucks or why sony? |
| 14:37.49 | kerio | why os x sucks |
| 14:37.51 | kerio | and also why sony |
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| 14:39.19 | jacekowski | because it changes my ways of using pc |
| 14:39.26 | jacekowski | buttons on left side |
| 14:39.26 | kerio | well, duh |
| 14:39.29 | kerio | it's another os |
| 14:39.31 | jacekowski | bar on top of the screen |
| 14:39.35 | kerio | and you don't use buttons |
| 14:39.39 | kerio | you use keyboard shortcuts |
| 14:39.43 | jacekowski | so if i have small window i have to click on that bar |
| 14:40.00 | jacekowski | no X |
| 14:40.07 | jacekowski | and why sony |
| 14:40.08 | kerio | i wonder what's the last time i actually used a title bar button |
| 14:40.14 | kerio | and there's X |
| 14:40.25 | jacekowski | because i had different laptops so far |
| 14:40.35 | Termana | jacekowski, when was your last use of OS X? There is an X button :P |
| 14:40.44 | Termana | Although it only closes the window - not the app |
| 14:40.48 | kerio | oh, not x11 |
| 14:40.51 | kerio | windows' X |
| 14:40.56 | jacekowski | X11 |
| 14:41.14 | Termana | There's X11 available for OS X |
| 14:41.16 | jacekowski | and going back to why sony |
| 14:41.32 | jacekowski | i had sony laptops |
| 14:41.35 | jacekowski | compaq |
| 14:41.35 | kerio | jacekowski: /Applications/Utilities/X11.app |
| 14:41.36 | jacekowski | hp |
| 14:41.45 | jacekowski | asus |
| 14:41.47 | kerio | and i think X autostarts if you ssh -X or something |
| 14:41.57 | jacekowski | and so far sony was most reliable |
| 14:42.01 | alterego | I think my Dell XPS M1530 is pretty awesome, even for a two year old model :) |
| 14:42.05 | jacekowski | and it took the most abuse |
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| 14:42.29 | alterego | Only issue _I've_ had is having to replace the keyboard after I spilt a load of water on it about a month back |
| 14:42.57 | jacekowski | and besides, decent mac costs about 30% more than same sony laptop |
| 14:43.09 | sivang | anybody seen achipa ? |
| 14:43.14 | kerio | how much for a sony laptop with a fullhd 17" with 8 hours of battery life? |
| 14:43.14 | jacekowski | and that's 30% that i could spent on bitches or something |
| 14:43.27 | alterego | Or now an N900 :) |
| 14:43.49 | jacekowski | kerio: i don't need laptop for watching movies |
| 14:43.51 | technomike | i am getting a new laptop soon |
| 14:44.10 | Termana | kerio, just wondering, how can you have a man crush on someone that doesn't change their clothes? |
| 14:44.29 | technomike | asus eeepc 1215n . despite being a netbook. its powerful. |
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| 14:46.03 | alterego | Anyone compiled madde from scratch? |
| 14:46.27 | jacekowski | kerio: i7 8G of ram under 1k |
| 14:47.28 | kerio | jacekowski: battery? weight? |
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| 14:48.17 | jacekowski | 3.1kg |
| 14:48.42 | jacekowski | 190minutes |
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| 14:48.52 | jacekowski | on standard battery |
| 14:48.54 | kerio | lol 2 hours |
| 14:49.02 | jacekowski | 3h |
| 14:49.07 | jacekowski | over 3h |
| 14:49.15 | kerio | over 3h = 2h if you're lucky |
| 14:49.23 | jacekowski | lol, can your maclaptop do that much? |
| 14:49.50 | kerio | about 6 |
| 14:49.54 | kerio | (marked as 8) |
| 14:50.06 | jacekowski | 6h doing what? |
| 14:50.06 | kerio | i shit you not |
| 14:50.35 | Termana | Mind you, that 3 hours is rated with cock-mongering Windows running |
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| 14:51.12 | kerio | jacekowski: meh, stuff |
| 14:51.18 | jacekowski | well, on my old sony i can play world of warcraft for example |
| 14:51.20 | kerio | irc, web browsing, movies |
| 14:51.33 | jacekowski | for about 2h30m |
| 14:51.36 | kerio | games drain the battery a bit more, but it's still more than 3h |
| 14:51.42 | jacekowski | and it's marked as 200 minutes |
| 14:52.48 | jacekowski | so well, it's only 25% off from rated time |
| 14:52.54 | jacekowski | on battery that's 2 years old |
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| 15:38.08 | corecode | does the webdave sharing plugin work for anybody> |
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| 15:44.43 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wGy9_rc8dU&feature=player_embedded#! |
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| 15:47.27 | mathiasg | I'm having an issue with package libsdl-ttf2.0 |
| 15:47.30 | mathiasg | install fails |
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| 15:47.46 | mathiasg | dpkg error processing <the package> |
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| 15:52.16 | alterego | Heh .. webdave .. |
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| 16:06.24 | technomike | epic! my right speaker in my n900 has started working again :S |
| 16:08.05 | kerio | the only ones who care are nokia care |
| 16:08.48 | technomike | i was going to have to send it to nokia care |
| 16:08.54 | technomike | but luckily its ok now |
| 16:08.58 | kerio | huh... |
| 16:08.59 | n900-dk | The default mediaplayer on N900 can't play AAC files? |
| 16:09.06 | kerio | n900-dk: it can, surely? |
| 16:09.07 | kerio | :o |
| 16:09.24 | kerio | it uses the DSP too |
| 16:09.27 | kerio | maybe it's the container |
| 16:10.34 | mathiasg | n900-dk: it uses gstreamer |
| 16:10.43 | mathiasg | whatever gstreamer supports, it does |
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| 16:10.52 | n900-dk | weird, it goes to the app-switcher, when I press the play button |
| 16:10.53 | johnsq | Hi |
| 16:11.00 | n900-dk | and doesn't start playing |
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| 16:15.20 | njsf | n900-dk I've had that happen due to the sound subsys being in a bad state. things to try are changing volume, restart media player, reboot. i believe however that it will not play DRM'ed AAC. that may be the issue. If so I'd file a bug,because it should emit a message it could not play due to drm/format |
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| 16:22.27 | n900-dk | okay, it is a podcast, but guess it is ok |
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| 16:28.04 | n900-dk | Are anyone able to play this in the mediaplayer: http://podcast.dr.dk/P1/harddisken/enhanced/harddisken_aac_100818.m4a |
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| 16:34.36 | technomike | nope doesn't work |
| 16:34.50 | technomike | just stops straight away |
| 16:35.23 | n900-dk | ok, thx for trying |
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| 16:57.33 | Lynoure | I'm trying to use the Maemo emulator in Nokia SDK, but the instructions for activating it from QtCreator tell me a) it should be already configured (and it did not seem to be) or b) that I should start Mad Developer in the emulator (and I don't even know how to get to the emulator) |
| 16:57.58 | Lynoure | Any ideas? |
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| 17:03.50 | kerio | hmm, the movie player shows green outside of the move itself |
| 17:03.53 | kerio | movie |
| 17:03.57 | kerio | well, greenish |
| 17:04.50 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, YUV or whatever it's called |
| 17:05.29 | kerio | the color *does* look good |
| 17:06.28 | slonopotamus | really wonders why https://garage.maemo.org/projects/jrbme/ still has no code |
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| 17:07.07 | kerio | because DocScrutinizer sucks |
| 17:07.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: :D :D :D :D :D |
| 17:07.52 | kerio | and i mean that with all the love of the world |
| 17:08.26 | Lynoure | kerio: do you use Nokia SDK? |
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| 17:08.33 | kerio | me? no |
| 17:08.44 | kerio | i can't code in C anyway |
| 17:08.52 | Lynoure | kerio: C++, usually. |
| 17:09.18 | Lynoure | Gah, no emulator, and the 'simulator' shows me stuff with desktop widgets |
| 17:09.19 | kerio | whatever |
| 17:09.25 | kerio | i don't do compiled stuff |
| 17:09.27 | Lynoure | What's wrong with my setup? |
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| 17:16.17 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong |
| 17:17.12 | Lynoure | I'd really really appreciate any help/ideas/wild guesses/works-for-me statements for anyone using the latest Nokia SDK |
| 17:17.36 | lcuk | kerio, if you set the bitmap memory used for YUV to all 0's, it is that bright green color |
| 17:17.51 | lcuk | to get black, you need to set the Y channel to 0, the U and V channels to 128 |
| 17:18.09 | lcuk | some graphics cards cheat and use 0,0,0 as black and others dont and its the wrong way ;) |
| 17:18.50 | kerio | lcuk: that's... stupid ._. |
| 17:18.55 | kerio | will i get problems on my tv? |
| 17:19.07 | kerio | or is it another colorspace? |
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| 17:26.25 | Lynoure | This is the error I get from simulator, regardless of the project: http://pastebin.com/2vidy8F6 |
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| 17:26.39 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: nothing specific |
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| 17:36.16 | wazd | can I use 20 minutes for dublin talk instead of 30?) |
| 17:36.33 | wazd | I can't talk for 30 minutes :) |
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| 17:37.27 | Jaffa | wazd: 10 mins for questions, talk more slowly (almost always appropriate) or finish 5 mins early :) |
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| 17:40.00 | RST38h | wazd: You can try the pantomime! |
| 17:40.08 | wazd | jaffa: sounds like a plan :) Especially slow talk :D |
| 17:40.24 | wazd | RST38h: :D |
| 17:41.17 | wazd | RST38h: I can sing something too :P |
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| 17:44.02 | wazd | sometimes I wish my second name was Castro :D |
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| 17:51.31 | RST38h | wazd: You like wearing military uniforms in hot tropical climates? |
| 17:51.42 | RST38h | Or is it the Cigar? |
| 17:53.15 | wazd | RST38h: Cigar indeed :P |
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| 17:54.56 | RST38h | Weird: there are TWO sharing-service-picasa packages in the repos |
| 17:55.42 | RST38h | One is 1.2.4 by Tero Niemela, another is 1.4.4 by Alexander Bokovoy |
| 17:55.53 | slonopotamus | if you put python files into zip, python doesn't create .pyo/.pyc _anywhere_. isn't it wonderful? :) |
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| 17:57.23 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: this is bad because? |
| 17:57.29 | timeless_mbp | (no caching?) |
| 17:57.35 | lcuk | RST38h, we met alex at the summit didn't we |
| 17:57.35 | slonopotamus | this is good |
| 17:57.52 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: you have a single file to access instead of N*3 |
| 18:00.25 | Lynoure | wazd: 20min + 10min Q/A |
| 18:00.46 | Lynoure | wazd: or add more nice stuff to show, or something (not knowing what you will talk about) |
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| 18:02.46 | thresh | hey guys. |
| 18:02.48 | thresh | and girls. |
| 18:03.02 | wazd | thresh: o/ |
| 18:03.07 | thresh | any program to count my expenses ong asoline and showing nice graphs? |
| 18:03.11 | thresh | -g |
| 18:03.26 | Stskeeps | used to be fuelpad on older tablets |
| 18:03.28 | timeless_mbp | dot? :) |
| 18:03.45 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fuelpad/ |
| 18:03.48 | Stskeeps | gnuplot |
| 18:04.26 | thresh | hey wazd sup? |
| 18:04.33 | thresh | thanks, will check |
| 18:07.12 | kerio | lol gnuplot |
| 18:07.44 | rm_you | thinking about Dublin |
| 18:08.12 | wazd | thresh: trying to come up with something to talk about in Dublin :) |
| 18:08.29 | rm_you | anyone nearby the conference with a couch and working shower that wants like $100 for a week of couch usage? :P |
| 18:08.56 | kerio | gnuplot is probably a valid answer |
| 18:08.57 | thresh | wazd: nice. going to meego conf? |
| 18:08.57 | kerio | but it's true for... half of the problems in the world |
| 18:09.06 | RST38h | how are you going to use that couch? |
| 18:09.11 | rm_you | lol |
| 18:09.13 | thresh | I wish someone paid me for flight, I'd come there too :D |
| 18:09.14 | rm_you | just for sleeping :P |
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| 18:10.33 | wazd | thresh: well, knowing previous years, my will to go is not enough to get there :D |
| 18:12.00 | RST38h | wazd: more importantly, have you got the passport> |
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| 18:17.23 | wazd | RST38h: yep :) |
| 18:17.54 | thresh | well it's a simple matter of getting enough euros |
| 18:20.08 | RST38h | wazd: wowowowow |
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| 18:28.07 | rff | for diablo maemo, where shall i place the root certificate authority that I need to connect, securely, to a wireless network? |
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| 18:36.28 | _trine | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3507-de-fuzzing_the_phone_in_your_phone.mp4 |
| 18:36.47 | _trine | interesting |
| 18:38.42 | mathiasg | _trine: what's that |
| 18:39.49 | _trine | its a very interesting lecture about hacking sms unfortunately it uses the Iphone but it wont be far away from the n900 |
| 18:40.52 | Appiah | "Hacking sms"? |
| 18:41.24 | _trine | sms injecting into the phone system |
| 18:42.29 | lcuk | does it hurt? |
| 18:42.44 | lcuk | my girlfriend doesn't like injections |
| 18:43.19 | thresh | poor you |
| 18:43.26 | Juozapas | :DD |
| 18:43.26 | technomike | haha |
| 18:43.51 | lcuk | lol |
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| 18:44.00 | lcuk | retracts his comment |
| 18:44.26 | rff | the connection manager on the n810 references the option to add a certificate but the drop down menu shows "none"; what is the location that it is looking in? |
| 18:44.41 | thresh | yeah, I'm awesome. |
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| 18:53.10 | rff | bummer, I need to figure out how to convert .arm to .cer (if that is possible) |
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| 19:01.15 | _trine | Well that was a very interesting lecture is anyone else watching it? |
| 19:02.12 | lcuk | watching what? |
| 19:02.47 | _trine | the link I posted |
| 19:02.59 | lcuk | oh, no I saw you post something |
| 19:03.07 | lcuk | but it got filtered |
| 19:04.00 | _trine | well thats a shame now you wont see it |
| 19:04.28 | lcuk | :) and nothing of value was lost. |
| 19:05.01 | _trine | not to you :) |
| 19:09.12 | ColdFyre | is there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging? |
| 19:09.15 | Lynoure | Could someone tell me what Nokia SDK's default settings for connecting to the Maemo emulator are? |
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| 19:10.03 | Lynoure | Mine has none, and I'm wondering what I should input there. |
| 19:10.49 | timeless_mbp | Lynoure: which "emulator"? |
| 19:10.53 | timeless_mbp | and which "nokia sdk"? |
| 19:12.44 | lcuk | Lynoure, potentially in the documentations there will be nicescreenshots and settings list? |
| 19:12.48 | lcuk | but otherwise, IDK |
| 19:13.05 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 19:13.16 | timeless_mbp | my 2 phones both decided having power wasn't important |
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| 19:13.31 | timeless_mbp | my n81 8g is "special", it has micro usb, but you can't use it for power (!) |
| 19:13.45 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, I have full battery, I could sms it over to you |
| 19:14.09 | timeless_mbp | thanks :) |
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| 19:15.16 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: the latest Nokia SDK, from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html , upgraded with its build-in upgrade tool |
| 19:15.38 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: on 32bit Linux, if it makes a difference. |
| 19:18.04 | timeless_mbp | sorry, i haven't used that :/ |
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| 19:18.45 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: if you have used any earlier version that has Maemo emulator settings, I could try with those... |
| 19:19.51 | timeless_mbp | i don't think i have anything close enough, i'd personally just install again as long as i had the disk space |
| 19:19.57 | timeless_mbp | i tend to use vm's for junk like this :) |
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| 19:20.53 | Lynoure | timeless_mbp: I did, twice. First again as root, then as user. |
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| 19:21.12 | Lynoure | and wiped the settings between both. |
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| 19:42.55 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer: DocScrutinizer51: Around? |
| 19:43.29 | brolin_empey | So far, my N900 is easier to disassemble than my FreeRunner. :) |
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| 19:44.35 | SpeedEvil | I will note that DocScrutinizer bricked his when dissasembling. |
| 19:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Also - the screen screws are torqued hard enough that you should replace. |
| 19:45.08 | SpeedEvil | They actually do fail if you try to reuse them. |
| 19:45.56 | brolin_empey | Only fingers + 2 screwdrivers required for N900, no guitar pick like for FreeRunner. :) |
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| 19:49.21 | brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: I have not removed the screen screws. I only need to access the motherboard/mainboard to resolder 2 pads for the micro USB socket. |
| 19:49.41 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:49.49 | SpeedEvil | you have tried nokia care first? |
| 19:50.11 | brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: I assume you mean DocScrutinizer bricked his N900, not his FreeRunner, right? |
| 19:52.03 | brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: No. I do not think they will help me because I did not buy my N900 in USA and I do not live in USA: I live in Canada and bought my N900 from NewEgg.ca. |
| 19:53.31 | brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: And I have already mostly disassembled my N900 without breaking anything AFAICT. :) |
| 19:54.18 | SpeedEvil | yes, n900 |
| 19:54.29 | brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: My FreeRunner still works after multiple disassemblies and reassemblies. |
| 19:54.39 | pupnik_ | don't you need those small torx screwdrivers? |
| 19:54.49 | SpeedEvil | torx isn't hard to find |
| 19:57.51 | brolin_empey | pupnik_: Yes, I already bought a miniature Torx screwdriver set in 2009 or earlier because I needed the same T6 to disassemble my Palm Z22 PDA after its touchscreen stopped working. |
| 20:00.43 | brolin_empey | SpeedEvil: Do you know how to remove the small board with the microSD card slot so I have easier access to the micro USB socket? |
| 20:01.06 | SpeedEvil | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/ |
| 20:01.08 | SpeedEvil | may be of use |
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| 20:04.28 | kerio | i think nokia care will do his thing anyway |
| 20:04.58 | kerio | the n900 has less than one year of life anyway |
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| 20:07.01 | SpeedEvil | I plan on being using mine in ~3 years time, unless stuff goes wrong. |
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| 20:15.09 | user | we aro moving to MeeGo soon huh? |
| 20:15.37 | facetiousproxy | no |
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| 20:20.12 | brolin_empey | Does facetiousproxy have multiple personalities? |
| 20:21.01 | crashanddie | brolin_empey: you mean freerunner actually worked, the first time they shipped it? |
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| 20:21.42 | BCMM | kerio: looks like my internet dropped out for a bit there; why do you say the n900 has less than a year's life? |
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| 20:26.44 | budfive | crashanddie: defined "worked" |
| 20:31.51 | brolin_empey | BCMM: I think kerio meant Nokia is planning to replace the N900 with its successor in <1 year. |
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| 20:36.00 | brolin_empey | crashanddie: My FreeRunner's hardware works, but I replaced my FreeRunner with my N900 because my FreeRunner user experience was very disappointing. QtMoko was the most usable distro I tried, but I still did not have a usable handset. |
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| 20:53.03 | luke-jr | brolin_empey: but the Freerunner is free |
| 20:53.33 | luke-jr | BCMM: also, Nokia has a history of dropping support for devices about 6 months before the next is released |
| 20:53.55 | nox- | eww |
| 20:54.14 | Stskeeps | 6? bull |
| 20:54.23 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: more? |
| 20:54.42 | luke-jr | N810 was dropped January 2009 (or was it 2008?) right after I got mine |
| 20:54.54 | luke-jr | N900 was released in the fall of the same year |
| 20:54.58 | Stskeeps | hrm |
| 20:54.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:55.20 | Stskeeps | then again n800 had both os2007 and 2008 |
| 20:55.26 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: true enough |
| 20:55.34 | luke-jr | but the difference between N800 and N810 was trivial |
| 20:55.55 | luke-jr | I suppose that applies to N900 and Harmattan-device |
| 20:56.05 | Stskeeps | n800 was jan 2007, n810 was october 2007 |
| 20:56.06 | luke-jr | I can't believe they're going to do another OMAP3 |
| 20:56.13 | luke-jr | ah, that explains it |
| 20:57.00 | Stskeeps | last ssu was december 2008 i think |
| 20:57.12 | Stskeeps | so about a year's lifetime from product announcement |
| 20:59.45 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Maybe more is different than we expect; although I wonder where it could be beyond screen. RAM is obvious. |
| 21:00.15 | Stskeeps | specs started to appear now? |
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| 21:03.28 | johnx | Stskeeps, on the RM-680 / N9? I think we always knew it would be OMAP3, and there have been suggestions of more RAM for a while |
| 21:03.33 | satmd | (: |
| 21:03.48 | johnx | so you might as well just confirm the rumors with your internal knowledge :> |
| 21:03.51 | Stskeeps | i still recall fondly when we tried out the rx-51's in may |
| 21:04.02 | ShadowJK | omap3 and multitouch iirc |
| 21:04.27 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, about? |
| 21:04.38 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, and you count from the ANNOUNCEMENT date? |
| 21:05.04 | johnx | it's the standard tick-tock cycle. tick = entirely new architecture. tock = refinement |
| 21:05.28 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: there's tear-down photos |
| 21:05.35 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah. I was totally right about it being essentially final hardware, BTW :P |
| 21:05.45 | GAN900 | Jaffa / luke-jr, OMAP36x. |
| 21:05.52 | GAN900 | So, could be 1GHz. |
| 21:05.57 | luke-jr | could be? |
| 21:05.59 | luke-jr | single core? |
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| 21:06.11 | lcuk | oi, we just had this same discussion about NOT DISCUSSING SPECULATIVE LEAKED HARDWARE |
| 21:06.38 | luke-jr | we did? |
| 21:06.40 | johnx | ah, sorry. Was probably asleep at the time |
| 21:06.42 | GAN900 | luke-jr, define "core". But, OMAP3 is Cortex A8. |
| 21:06.46 | GAN900 | lcuk, meh. |
| 21:06.51 | GAN900 | has ops here. |
| 21:06.52 | luke-jr | GAN900: so pretty much obsolete |
| 21:06.56 | GAN900 | And I say meh. |
| 21:06.57 | ShadowJK | Well the beagleboard had similar specs as n900, so I'm going to guess it'll be like beagleboard-xm :P |
| 21:07.05 | lcuk | luke-jr, some did in #meego, granted it wasnt here but I recognise some faces that were :P |
| 21:07.07 | johnx | ShadowJK++ |
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| 21:07.17 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, except that's not 45nm, is it? |
| 21:07.36 | luke-jr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60845 :P |
| 21:08.24 | ShadowJK | well it's 1GHz, dunno |
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| 21:08.36 | luke-jr | that's what Nokia *should* make.. |
| 21:08.41 | GAN900 | Tapping the close button when MicroB locks scrolling on an arrow key press will make it crash. |
| 21:09.01 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, yeah, I haven't been paying any attention to the Beagle progress. |
| 21:09.02 | luke-jr | GAN900: minor bug, since you want it to go away anyhow |
| 21:09.18 | GAN900 | luke-jr, annoying having to see the banner, though. |
| 21:09.34 | luke-jr | tbh I've never seen what happens on Maemo when a user app crashes |
| 21:09.38 | johnx | luke-jr, is that the same design as the Zaurus Cxx00 and Cxx0? |
| 21:09.51 | luke-jr | johnx: I wasn't aware there was a difference. Neither? |
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| 21:10.09 | GAN900 | How's that tilted screen work on the N97? |
| 21:10.15 | GAN900 | Not thrilled about it for N9. |
| 21:10.16 | luke-jr | johnx: it's capable of C760 movement (minus rotating screen) combined with N900 movement |
| 21:10.30 | Dantonic | hey do any of you edit your videos take with your N900? |
| 21:10.33 | Dantonic | what program do you use? |
| 21:10.36 | ShadowJK | the N97 keyboard is a joke |
| 21:10.38 | johnx | luke-jr, aah. so wireless screen with its own battery? :> |
| 21:10.43 | luke-jr | johnx: no |
| 21:11.04 | luke-jr | johnx: wires in the moving hinge :P |
| 21:11.18 | ShadowJK | it makes the zx spectrum keyboard look good |
| 21:11.33 | johnx | and what's the advantage of that layout compared to the standard 'convertible tablet' aka zaurus cxx? |
| 21:11.44 | luke-jr | johnx: you can use it like you use a N900 |
| 21:12.18 | GAN900 | Anybody extrapolate some dimensions from those photos? |
| 21:12.35 | luke-jr | johnx: also, the N900-movement would have multiple locking points |
| 21:12.36 | johnx | we could do it based off the size of the micro usb port, jah? |
| 21:12.50 | luke-jr | johnx: so you could have the screen covering the number keys when you don't need them |
| 21:13.02 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 21:13.05 | luke-jr | or only show the bottom row of keys (shortcut keys?) |
| 21:13.12 | johnx | that sounds pretty involved for small gains ... |
| 21:13.12 | GAN900 | Or that Chinese person's hand. *g* |
| 21:13.47 | luke-jr | johnx: well, it's also harder to break the screen connector? :P |
| 21:13.59 | luke-jr | johnx: rotate a C760 screen the wrong way and oops |
| 21:14.14 | luke-jr | but it might take up too much space I guess |
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| 21:14.23 | johnx | mine still works fine ... |
| 21:14.30 | luke-jr | mine too |
| 21:14.41 | luke-jr | actually, my 802.11b card stopped working for it a year or so ago |
| 21:14.45 | johnx | and I'd bet that your LCD cable would get destroyed pretty quickly sliding all over the place |
| 21:14.48 | luke-jr | I did the magic reengineering thing⦠|
| 21:14.52 | johnx | ha! I killed 3 so far |
| 21:15.20 | luke-jr | I ripped the plastic apart, took the board out, glared at it, then scotch taped the plastic back on |
| 21:15.23 | luke-jr | works as good as new now |
| 21:15.36 | johnx | I did that to one and it worked for a bit longer |
| 21:15.39 | luke-jr | hehe |
| 21:15.46 | luke-jr | it gets pretty hot w/o the complete plastic actually |
| 21:16.20 | luke-jr | I was kinda hoping there'd be room to cut the board shorter and just stick it entirely inside the C760, but oh well |
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| 21:16.47 | johnx | sighs at Sharp for missing the boat, again and again and again |
| 21:17.24 | johnx | and Nokia for not learning from their successes and failures with Linux |
| 21:17.54 | luke-jr | johnx: I think the problem is people don't want to spend $800 on any handheld device |
| 21:18.02 | microlith | they do, just not all at once |
| 21:18.04 | Appiah | maybe it takes time to learn? |
| 21:18.13 | luke-jr | and are too stupid to realize they spend about that much on all the individual devices total |
| 21:18.14 | microlith | they like the illusion of a cheap handset |
| 21:18.35 | microlith | and they think in "how much can I afford per month" and not "how much will this cost me overall" |
| 21:18.45 | luke-jr | microlith: well, I suppose the downside of having all-in-one is you destroy it all at once⦠|
| 21:18.47 | johnx | thinking more about the way they approached the community, but also about the form factors |
| 21:19.01 | microlith | luke-jr: assuming you're irresponsible with your property, yes |
| 21:19.11 | luke-jr | microlith: that's the only reason for a cheap handset IMO |
| 21:19.27 | microlith | well there's cheap then there's "cheap" |
| 21:19.30 | luke-jr | :P |
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| 21:19.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | brolin_empey: (mini PCB) it's glued with doublesided sticky |
| 21:19.51 | luke-jr | I'd probably be worried about it too, if I didn't still have my C760 :P |
| 21:20.11 | luke-jr | so I know from experience I take good enough care to last long beyond use |
| 21:20.37 | johnx | my SL5500 is still working :) |
| 21:20.43 | microlith | speaking of Zaurus |
| 21:20.50 | johnx | and I still miss the portrait layout + keyboard a lot |
| 21:20.58 | luke-jr | johnx: I'm not interested in non-clamshells :P |
| 21:21.04 | microlith | apparently it's taken ~5 years but I saw none of them in Akihabara these last two weeks |
| 21:21.05 | luke-jr | at least not the Zaurus non-clamshell style |
| 21:21.21 | johnx | microlith, sadness |
| 21:21.33 | johnx | I think I caught a picture at the height of the Zaurus Cxx used market |
| 21:21.36 | johnx | digs up a pic |
| 21:21.42 | microlith | though I did see other hardware, a Sharp device obviously, running Ubuntu |
| 21:21.49 | luke-jr | microlith: PC-Z1? |
| 21:21.51 | microlith | believe so |
| 21:21.57 | microlith | i.MX51 based |
| 21:22.00 | luke-jr | microlith: too big for a pocket, right? |
| 21:22.01 | johnx | mmmm |
| 21:22.06 | microlith | not my pockets :) |
| 21:22.15 | microlith | oh |
| 21:22.16 | microlith | not that |
| 21:22.20 | luke-jr | XD |
| 21:22.27 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer51: Did you really brick your N900 while disassembling it, as SpeedEvil claims? |
| 21:22.46 | microlith | PC-T1 |
| 21:22.49 | microlith | err |
| 21:22.49 | microlith | Z1 |
| 21:23.05 | johnx | http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167911/ |
| 21:23.10 | johnx | microlith, were you at that store? |
| 21:23.31 | microlith | johnsq: probably, didn't see a single Zaurus at any used hardware store |
| 21:23.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, by strange incidence the FPC failed after reassembly, but we have similar reports for several users who didn't disassemble |
| 21:23.57 | microlith | huge racks of iPhones and iPod Touches though :/ |
| 21:23.58 | luke-jr | wonders where microlith lives to see Zaurus on a regular basis |
| 21:23.58 | brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer51: And should I remove the mini PCB before trying to resolder the micro USB socket? |
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| 21:24.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 21:24.13 | microlith | luke-jr: was back in 2003 when I was previously in Tokyo |
| 21:24.15 | luke-jr | I'm pretty sure I've always been the only person for like 100 miles with a C760/N810/N900 |
| 21:24.16 | johnx | ah. they weren't all that common even when I was there, except for this one incredibly cramped store. I don't remember tha name sadly |
| 21:24.24 | microlith | when the CXXX series was still getting new models |
| 21:24.35 | microlith | johnx: when was that? |
| 21:24.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | and be *extremely* carefull with the FPC |
| 21:24.40 | microlith | ah, 2007 |
| 21:24.43 | johnx | 2007 - 2008 |
| 21:25.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: where's teh jrBME code? |
| 21:25.01 | microlith | yeah, no surprise |
| 21:25.12 | johnx | they had a rack of sony clies next to it, too |
| 21:25.22 | microlith | Though with the b-mobile card I had, my N900 was awesome the whole time |
| 21:25.39 | johnx | there was some beautifully geeky hardware. I'd love to see those same form factors re-imagined with modern internals and a modern screen |
| 21:25.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: a first draft is on tmo |
| 21:25.53 | pigeon | Kegetys: ah... thanks |
| 21:26.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: src repo? |
| 21:27.00 | johnx | anyways. out of here for now |
| 21:28.02 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: searching jrbme on tmo finds 2 mere references |
| 21:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* you make me leave bed |
| 21:29.52 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 21:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 |
| 21:30.37 | luke-jr | the shell script is jrbme? -.- |
| 21:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: after you understood what it's doing, you'll be able to 'fix' the 'bug' it has |
| 21:30.58 | ShadowJK | it's supposed to charge |
| 21:31.10 | ShadowJK | but it has a few bugs :) |
| 21:31.16 | luke-jr | I doubt I'll *ever* understand what that is doing |
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| 21:32.19 | ShadowJK | bq24150 datasheet helps :) |
| 21:32.58 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: then it's not for you, honestly - and no, that's not jrbme, that's a first draft as noted in the post |
| 21:33.38 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: but⦠that's not the chip in N900⦠|
| 21:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 21:33.53 | ShadowJK | what is then? |
| 21:33.59 | luke-jr | bq27200 |
| 21:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | *SIGH* |
| 21:34.24 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 21:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | heads off direction bed again |
| 21:34.36 | ShadowJK | bq24150 is the charger. bq27200 is the charge meter |
| 21:34.41 | luke-jr | o |
| 21:35.21 | luke-jr | so at charging finished, does it automatically go into "maintain charge" mode, or start discharging? |
| 21:35.57 | ShadowJK | It stops charging. Then it later restarts charge if it has dropped |
| 21:36.04 | luke-jr | ew :/ |
| 21:36.26 | ShadowJK | You know "maintain charge" kills batteries, right? |
| 21:36.31 | luke-jr | no? :P |
| 21:36.43 | luke-jr | how about "run off AC" then? |
| 21:36.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | not possible |
| 21:37.12 | luke-jr | wait, BME does "maintain charge"⦠is it killing the battery? |
| 21:37.30 | luke-jr | or is it lying? |
| 21:37.48 | ShadowJK | No it doesn't. It stops charging, and then it starts charging when charge level has dropped |
| 21:37.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | bme does microcycling just like bq24150 |
| 21:38.22 | luke-jr | so BME reporting constant 100% is a lie? |
| 21:38.27 | ShadowJK | It always says "Battery Full" after reaching battery full, until battery is at about 50-75 percent or something :) |
| 21:38.36 | luke-jr | 27200 is reporting 100 too O.o |
| 21:38.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | but yes, odds are its doing so micro microcycling, it may kill battery |
| 21:39.18 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 21:39.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | and when screen on, it actually never stops charging |
| 21:39.42 | luke-jr | ponders a smart battery charger daemon that predicts when I depart and plans ahead to hit 100% about that time⦠|
| 21:39.44 | ShadowJK | Well the top-off charge happens at a point where the battery is sp full any system load will drop the total current into battery below bq27200's end-of-charge detection threshold |
| 21:40.46 | luke-jr | would it in fact be better for the battery to let it drop to 5% overnight? |
| 21:41.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 21:41.18 | luke-jr | just 50-75? |
| 21:41.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | let it drop to 85 |
| 21:41.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | then it kicks in with recharge, automatically |
| 21:42.16 | ShadowJK | bme shuts down the system before 6 percent ;) (and then kids find ways to drain the remaining 6 percent and wonder why they can't charge) |
| 21:42.27 | luke-jr | oh, so the shell script doesn't need to keep running? O.o |
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| 21:42.54 | ShadowJK | That shell script, if its bugs were fixed, would exit on full battery |
| 21:43.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | it does a one shot charge |
| 21:43.22 | luke-jr | what kicks in with recharge automatically, then? |
| 21:43.41 | mathiasg | anyone tried to play wargus on N900? |
| 21:43.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | my version here is keeping 'charging', but not finished yet |
| 21:44.08 | luke-jr | o |
| 21:44.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | the bq and the bme both do |
| 21:44.29 | ShadowJK | If the script was modified to not exit when status is "Done", the hardware would automatically kick in the re-recharge |
| 21:44.53 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: so just kick the watchdog forever? |
| 21:44.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | bme at 99, bq at ~85 |
| 21:45.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: yep |
| 21:45.29 | luke-jr | or I guess I should check what happens if I remove AC power⦠|
| 21:45.30 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, yep, or until status other than charging or charge done anyway |
| 21:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically |
| 21:46.00 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: like removal of external power src? |
| 21:46.09 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 21:46.10 | luke-jr | or can i seriously just write an init script and cronjob? <.< |
| 21:46.18 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 21:46.55 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 21:47.02 | luke-jr | does sound like a job for a kernel driver IMO |
| 21:47.08 | ShadowJK | IME if there's a fault condition reported by bq24150 you need to read it in order to clear it |
| 21:47.18 | luke-jr | but I don't want to step on you guys' toes either |
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| 21:48.15 | ShadowJK | So a proper thing would watch /sys/bus/i2c/devices/something/twl4030_usb/vbus to detect presence of power on usb |
| 21:48.43 | ShadowJK | and bring bq24150 out of hibernation to initiate charge |
| 21:49.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | bq24150 can do that autonomously |
| 21:49.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | what it can't do is determine the allowable current |
| 21:49.57 | ShadowJK | when charger cable is unplugged, twl4030_usb/vbus goes to 0, bq24150 throws fault codes and IME does nothing for awhile unless you give it instructions :) |
| 21:49.58 | luke-jr | ⦠so back to init script + cronjob |
| 21:50.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: not according to datasheet |
| 21:51.12 | luke-jr | will drawing too much current break the battery, or the charger? <.< |
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| 21:51.22 | ShadowJK | also when unplugging charge cable I do echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/link, usb sometimes start eating large amounts of power |
| 21:52.10 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: can I do that *with* USB plugged too? <.< |
| 21:52.16 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, well it could break a pc usb port, but chargers usually lower voltage which reduces amount going into n900 |
| 21:52.20 | luke-jr | I don't actually use it for data, after all |
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| 21:55.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | what you can do is to always charge @500, this won't usally break any usb port, doesn't need fancy enum shit nevertheless, and no musb core to detect charger |
| 21:56.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | and delays charge-full with charger for only maybe 30..45min |
| 21:57.00 | ShadowJK | I hear in 2.6.34 they have a powersupply framework/api now so that stuff can properly notify eachother of this kind of stuff :) |
| 21:57.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | given you idle and dim screen |
| 21:59.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, need to hit 'post' on that comment to bugtracker. Wondering since 2 days if it's what I want to say |
| 22:00.16 | kerio | BCMM: huh? i meant that *all* n900s are still under warranty |
| 22:01.24 | ShadowJK | oh i guess it's only picky about watchdog timeout :D |
| 22:03.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: go ahead, you're more informed on N900 BME than I am |
| 22:03.39 | luke-jr | :p |
| 22:04.00 | luke-jr | (or open an actual bug for N900 BMEâ¦) |
| 22:04.17 | kerio | luke-jr: NOTABUG/WONTFIX |
| 22:04.30 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, ok you're right :) |
| 22:04.43 | ShadowJK | keeping bq24150 tickled "just works" |
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| 22:05.15 | ShadowJK | but I find usb is eating extra 75mA or so after unplugging charger :) |
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| 22:05.56 | ShadowJK | 75-150.. |
| 22:05.58 | luke-jr | is this script's 4V200 = 500 ? |
| 22:07.22 | ShadowJK | leave 4V200 alone |
| 22:07.43 | ShadowJK | 4.2 is the voltage to charge a Li-Ion battery to |
| 22:08.13 | ShadowJK | You could theoretically lower it to 4.1 and make the battery last 2 years instead of 1 year |
| 22:08.18 | ShadowJK | or something |
| 22:08.26 | ShadowJK | 4 vs 2 years, whatever |
| 22:08.52 | ShadowJK | but you'd also only use 80% of its capacity |
| 22:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | FUUUUUCK |
| 22:09.32 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: hmm⦠|
| 22:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | they changed #9314 properties, so I can't commit post now |
| 22:09.42 | ShadowJK | Increasing it will wear it out exponentially faster for little gain, and it's also not safe |
| 22:09.50 | luke-jr | so it *does* auto-detect the input current? |
| 22:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: more like 90% |
| 22:10.12 | ShadowJK | Yeah the charger seems to autodetect and go |
| 22:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nope it doesn't |
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| 22:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: RTFDS |
| 22:10.50 | luke-jr | meh |
| 22:11.17 | ShadowJK | guess it depends what you mean by that :) |
| 22:11.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: maybe try with a new form? I didn't get an email of any such change |
| 22:12.13 | ShadowJK | bug 9314 |
| 22:12.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 relicense N8x0 BME |
| 22:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | subject changed from relicense bme to relicence n9x0 bme, milestone changed, dunno what :-/ |
| 22:12.48 | ShadowJK | Yeah I couldn't even submit a comment because someone submitted a comment while I was writing mine |
| 22:12.57 | luke-jr | N900 isn't bq24150A, right? no A? |
| 22:13.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I would think you don't have access to change subject/etc |
| 22:13.46 | luke-jr | I can because I reported it |
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| 22:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | It's A |
| 22:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150a -> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg |
| 22:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | the 'A' is rather meaningless though, aiui |
| 22:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's a silicon revision afaik |
| 22:32.14 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what is the purpose of (reg 0) 0xc9 masked to 0x77, when 0x77 makes 0x80 of 0xc9 ignored? |
| 22:32.34 | luke-jr | that is, why not 0x49 |
| 22:33.00 | luke-jr | err, memory location 4 I mean |
| 22:33.07 | ShadowJK | the masks are buggy |
| 22:33.33 | luke-jr | O.o? |
| 22:33.37 | ShadowJK | i2cset does read-mask-modify-write |
| 22:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly buggy, but suboptimal |
| 22:34.05 | ShadowJK | and there are registers that have different function when read from and when written to |
| 22:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:34.25 | ShadowJK | Like the reset register, always reads as 1, iirc :) |
| 22:34.25 | luke-jr | I still don't get it, other than "buggy" |
| 22:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | CE isn't correctly taken care of in the draft, as is reset |
| 22:34.59 | luke-jr | masking 0x41 with 0x77 is the same as masking 0xc9 with 0x77 |
| 22:35.25 | ShadowJK | doesn't use any masks at all |
| 22:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: the values aren't generic, they are derived from what I read out from chip when bme is running |
| 22:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | then I created the masks to mask out bits that have different meaning when read and write |
| 22:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: as mentioned, I have a better yet unfinished version here, if you want to wait for it then you don't need to bother with the draft at all |
| 22:37.56 | ShadowJK | hey guess what happened when I tried open that image on n900 ;p |
| 22:38.02 | luke-jr | o |
| 22:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | swap-lock? |
| 22:38.40 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 22:38.43 | luke-jr | btw, I know the OTG pin isn't connected on the USB chip, but is the bq chip connected? |
| 22:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | err, it's connected to several parts of system, yes |
| 22:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | now you managed to wake me :-S |
| 22:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | heading out for coffee |
| 22:40.29 | ShadowJK | If you have connected a charger, and do cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger; you get a '1' as result, and the otg pin input on bq24150 goes high |
| 22:42.41 | luke-jr | hrm |
| 22:42.47 | luke-jr | 32 seconds to kick the charger :/ |
| 22:43.00 | luke-jr | cron doesn't have that granularity |
| 22:43.15 | luke-jr | and waking the CPU up every 32 seconds will harm battery life significantly I think |
| 22:43.30 | ShadowJK | I think bme already wakes up every 32x |
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| 22:43.40 | luke-jr | so for all practical purposes, it needs to be turned off/on |
| 22:43.47 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: well then, we can significantly improve battery life ;P |
| 22:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | make that 15s |
| 22:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | timer is +-50% or something |
| 22:44.20 | luke-jr | at least in theory⦠|
| 22:44.23 | ShadowJK | but yeah, a nicer way would be inotify on /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
| 22:44.52 | luke-jr | not a concern of mine I guess since to be useful I want N900 constantly tracking GPS and IM :/ |
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| 22:45.25 | luke-jr | ponders if it would help to turn GPS off when accelerometers don't detect motion |
| 22:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what's exactly what we should do, for jrbme |
| 22:46.04 | ShadowJK | enabled /CE and HZ_MODE on bq24150 when vbus goes away, when vbus appears: disable HZ_MODE, program charge params, unset /CE |
| 22:46.23 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: are you planning a release soon? |
| 22:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly :-) |
| 22:47.04 | luke-jr | (btw, I presume you're already sure inotify works on sysfs?) |
| 22:47.18 | ShadowJK | nfi :) |
| 22:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | I did a bit of editing yesterday, as I feel we need something soonish. But I'm really lazy/sick/depressed atm, so no hard schedule |
| 22:47.53 | ShadowJK | has regular work plus fibre splicing :-( |
| 22:48.36 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management - see the script |
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| 22:48.48 | SpeedEvil | for a moderately friendly power watcher. |
| 22:48.52 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: btw, I think your bug comment confirmed N8x0 BME would be enough for your purposes, since it presumably uses the same interfaces other than the battery hw? |
| 22:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I'm not even thinking about sysfs nodes yet |
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| 22:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | except for polling them |
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| 22:49.12 | SpeedEvil | I have never seen the system go idle more than about 3.5 seconds on average. |
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| 22:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: alas that's not correct |
| 22:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps told me the interfaces changed |
| 22:49.46 | luke-jr | what did I miss? |
| 22:49.49 | luke-jr | o |
| 22:49.51 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 22:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | for (jr)bme purposes a polling freq of one per 30s seems sufficient and bearable |
| 22:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | though it will delay charger plugin detection by max 30s |
| 22:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | bearable in my book |
| 22:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | the main problem is: can we detect charger at all, without bme? |
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| 22:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | the fastcharger detect is done in musb-core, but I'm not sure it will work without bme |
| 22:53.11 | SpeedEvil | you mean charger or vus |
| 22:53.13 | SpeedEvil | b |
| 22:53.13 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | D+- short |
| 22:53.37 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how can I check from userspace? |
| 22:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | err read out sysnodes? or actively triggering a check? |
| 22:54.20 | luke-jr | "fastcharger detect" |
| 22:54.29 | luke-jr | although I don't know if I have a fastcharger⦠|
| 22:54.39 | SpeedEvil | Do you have the stock nokia one? |
| 22:54.42 | SpeedEvil | It's fast |
| 22:54.51 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: only the European one and the adapter |
| 22:54.57 | SpeedEvil | that's fine |
| 22:55.00 | luke-jr | if the adapter is a fastcharger, then eys |
| 22:55.01 | luke-jr | yes* |
| 22:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | seems it *should* get triggered by a read to charger sysnode of musb-core |
| 22:55.03 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:55.07 | SpeedEvil | what adaptor |
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| 22:55.17 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: adapter for N810 power thing |
| 22:55.32 | SpeedEvil | I have a european plug nokia charger, which has grown a UK mains plug. |
| 22:55.50 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I have no European outlets |
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| 22:55.56 | SpeedEvil | Me neither. |
| 22:56.01 | asj | me three |
| 22:56.18 | SpeedEvil | That's why I put two large choc-connectors on the pins. |
| 22:56.26 | SpeedEvil | and a cable to a plug on the other end |
| 22:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 22:56.42 | SpeedEvil | And wrapped it in wood and duct tape so it was secure and safe. |
| 22:56.47 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 22:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | mad scottsh |
| 22:57.15 | SpeedEvil | It's OK - wood and duct tape qualifies as double layer insulation, so it's quite legal. |
| 22:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:57.26 | luke-jr | is glad he can stick his fingers in an outlet here and live |
| 22:57.43 | SpeedEvil | I have mislaid my UK charger. |
| 22:57.50 | kerio | circuit breakers are mandatory here |
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| 22:57.54 | SpeedEvil | I was using it while cutting the hedge. |
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| 22:58.02 | SpeedEvil | kerio: It has a 1A fuse in the plug |
| 22:58.03 | luke-jr | kerio: here too I think |
| 22:58.09 | luke-jr | well, unless you mean fuses don't count |
| 22:58.16 | SpeedEvil | It may be on top of the garage on reflection. |
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| 22:58.32 | kerio | not a fuse, a... how do you call them... |
| 22:58.42 | luke-jr | my house has fuses :p |
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| 22:58.53 | kerio | the thing everything passes through that interrupts the circuit if there's a short circuit |
| 22:58.55 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Circuit breaker is probably the corect rterm. |
| 22:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | DI |
| 22:59.12 | SpeedEvil | kerio: You're in the US? |
| 22:59.17 | SpeedEvil | I seem tro recall. |
| 22:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | Delta-I differential current circuit breaker. Only useful if <30mA |
| 22:59.39 | kerio | SpeedEvil: italy |
| 23:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah Italy and Spain *need* those, due to abysmal electric craftsmanship |
| 23:00.38 | kerio | ._. |
| 23:00.42 | kerio | it's a measure of safety ffs |
| 23:01.08 | kerio | also probably more than half of our buildings have no ground |
| 23:01.11 | kerio | so yeah |
| 23:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: don't worry, they are mandatory here in D as well now |
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| 23:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | I fsckng wonder how I could let my electrician get away with that shit - have a 20mA plug DI here for my workbench, but odds are the computers will go down as well when I DIY some funny things, as the main DI triggers faster than the plug |
| 23:03.30 | kerio | hehe |
| 23:03.57 | kerio | some funny things? |
| 23:04.08 | kerio | somehow i think it's for the best that the power goes down this quickly |
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| 23:04.45 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, rcd? |
| 23:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | I need my electric shock every once in a while :-P But I don't like the shock when *all* the electrics go down on that |
| 23:05.16 | kerio | get a UPS |
| 23:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | already planned |
| 23:05.42 | ShadowJK | pretends to be an electrician at work occasionally :D |
| 23:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: rcd?? |
| 23:06.11 | ShadowJK | return current difference thingy? |
| 23:06.49 | ShadowJK | like that thing that checks how much goes uut on phase and how much comes back on n and trips if the diff is too big? |
| 23:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | aah yep, seems there's no standard name in English I'm aware of - in germany thay are called FI-switch |
| 23:07.26 | kerio | heh, the italian term translates literally to "lifesaver" |
| 23:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | heads of to fuse box, to check the exact current of the main FI |
| 23:08.03 | ShadowJK | i think they're called "ground current breaker" here.. |
| 23:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | 0.03A |
| 23:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | main. So odds are my plug adapter type 0.02A I use for workbench is not 'protecting' the main switch from trigering as well |
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| 23:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FI-Schalter RCD is european standard name :-D |
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| 23:20.30 | ShadowJK | in the absence of qualified people I was troubleshooting an electrical problem at work and opened this equipment box |
| 23:21.05 | ShadowJK | I found lots of 380V wiring connected by twisting wires around eachother and wrapping in electrical tape :) |
| 23:21.34 | ShadowJK | put it back very carefully and decided not to touch that shit |
| 23:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 23:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like US American method |
| 23:22.23 | kerio | it's safe :| |
| 23:22.29 | kerio | electrical tape insulates |
| 23:23.10 | ShadowJK | the length of the wiring was about 4 times longer than what was required, so it looked like someone had basically collected the wires in his hand and started jamming it into the box until it fit, and then screwed the lid on |
| 23:23.24 | kerio | omg |
| 23:23.46 | ShadowJK | Yes, well, tape starts looking brittle and fragile after 20 years, and the adhesive doesn't hold so good either :) |
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| 23:25.00 | ShadowJK | oh well, it's only like 40kW going through that spaghettinest :D |
| 23:25.16 | asj | that's what breakers are for ;) |
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| 23:25.43 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 23:25.45 | asj | (and you should be scared, I'm an electrical engineer) |
| 23:25.49 | Jef91 | So for some reason my text messgaes have been randomly not showing up/randomly being removed last couple of days on my n900 |
| 23:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | in New Orleans on a Media Fair, I faced those noobs over there considered our booth requirement "220V" as 3 phase 130V :-P |
| 23:25.57 | Jef91 | any suggestions? |
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| 23:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | delete all messages |
| 23:27.56 | Jef91 | how docscrutinizer? |
| 23:28.13 | heoa | I forgot the root password to n810, is there some easy way to get it to default? How can I boot it to single mode? |
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| 23:28.33 | Jef91 | nvm found it |
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| 23:29.16 | ShadowJK | heoa, install rootsh, type sudo gainroot, passwd root ? |
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| 23:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | (new orleans) then when I asked them for 3 1:1 transformers, to build a triangle to star converter, they came along with those nasty things like a hollow cone with a thread inside - you just screw it onto the copper ends of up to 4 wires to connect them. Somewhat similar to the twist-and-isolate method |
| 23:31.40 | heoa | ShadowJK: Thank you. |
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| 23:33.33 | SpeedEvil | Wirenuts seem like a horribly bad idea. |
| 23:33.36 | heoa | Is there any phone by Nokia that is btw a communicator and N900? Still satisfied with 9300 but would like to get it upgraded with n810-style console |
| 23:33.43 | SpeedEvil | Sure - in principle it is a nice gas-tight joint. |
| 23:33.46 | SpeedEvil | If done just right. |
| 23:33.58 | heoa | or preferrably n900 style debian things |
| 23:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: wirenut - exactly :-D |
| 23:35.47 | ShadowJK | heoa, n900 is the only linux phone from nokia |
| 23:36.53 | luke-jr | and it's not even Linux or a phone! |
| 23:36.57 | luke-jr | :P |
| 23:36.58 | ShadowJK | I suspect the Communicator is dead and buried by nokia |
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| 23:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: how is it not linux? |
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| 23:39.05 | ShadowJK | it's not mainline linux ;p |
| 23:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | tzz |
| 23:39.19 | ShadowJK | and doesn't work with mainline linux |
| 23:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
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| 23:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | I think that description more applies to buntkuh than to maemo though |
| 23:40.31 | nox- | haha |
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