IRC log for #maemo on 20100819

`00:01.25`	`*** join/#maemo DangerMaus (~N900@tuxhacker/loft306)`
`00:03.13`	`lolcat93`	`It is a third party one`
`00:03.21`	`lolcat93`	`I have a "dumbass" insurance`
`00:03.38`	`lolcat93`	`It covers any "accidental" mistake I migth make with the battery`
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`00:05.39`	`nox-`	`this one? http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900.html`
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`00:06.08`	`nox-`	`(and no i havent tried it :)`
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`00:06.53`	`lolcat93`	`Yes`
`00:07.08`	`lolcat93`	`expencive though`
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`00:07.16`	`lolcat93`	`checks deal-xtreme`
`00:08.39`	`astruasdh`	`lolcat93, but it sounds good!`
`00:08.49`	`astruasdh`	`can u tell me the name if u find it?`
`00:08.59`	`nox-`	`see my link`
`00:09.03`	`nox-`	`mugen`
`00:09.52`	`astruasdh`	`nice, ty`
`00:10.07`	`astruasdh`	`but it is not a nokia's offical one... is it?`
`00:10.12`	`lolcat93`	`Nope`
`00:10.15`	`nox-`	`no its not official`
`00:10.17`	`lolcat93`	`But I'm insured`
`00:10.38`	`lolcat93`	`What alternatives do I have? Carrying a charger, and hoping a socket is nearby`
`00:10.52`	`lolcat93`	`A solar charger (it is quite dark in norway)`
`00:11.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`The mugen battery`
`00:11.11`	`astruasdh`	`u can buy a battery backpack and use it :P just kidding`
`00:11.22`	`astruasdh`	`brb`
`00:11.24`	`Brik`	`solar charger might work, friend of mine uses it in england and it's not like we ever have sun there`
`00:12.14`	`lolcat93`	`I saw on dealxtreme there were some with 4000mAh batteries inside`
`00:12.21`	`lolcat93`	`So it didn't actually need sun...`
`00:15.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`a pocket full of original BL-5J`
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`00:16.07`	`SpeedEvil`	`All you need is a car charger, a 12V car charger socket, a sturdy backpack and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12V-90AH-800AMPS-VARTA-CAR-BATTERY-/260651179172?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM`
`00:16.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lolcat93: 4000mAh formfactor BL-5J??? that's nuttin, you can buy a 800.000mAh from me - at least that's what's written on it when it comes to you`
`00:17.03`	`lolcat93`	`Dealxtreme could probaly send me CHEAP ass batteries and a charger that doesn't require the phone...`
`00:17.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`Run your n900 for around a couple of months active time.`
`00:17.53`	`lolcat93`	`http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32444`
`00:18.23`	`lolcat93`	`I could buy four originals for the price of a mugen`
`00:18.33`	`lolcat93`	`or 20 unoriginals`
`00:18.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`I question if those are originals.`
`00:18.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`both a better deal`
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`00:19.11`	`lolcat93`	`It says and I quote: "100% genuine Nokia product"`
`00:19.34`	`SpeedEvil`	`...`
`00:19.40`	`lolcat93`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:21.06`	`DocScrutinizer`	`questionable quality`
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`00:22.38`	`lolcat93`	`Original battery sucks, so this one probably does too`
`00:22.55`	`lolcat93`	`But I could always buy 10 of the unoriginal for $30`
`00:23.10`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I'd either go for the ~30$ genuine Nokia ones from a local dealer you can hit his nose when it's a fake, or for the 5$ explicit fake ones. No use in paying for counterfeit "package"`
`00:23.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`My suggestion is _much_ better value.`
`00:24.12`	`SpeedEvil`	`For around the same price as 5 bl5js, you get abourt 300* the storage.`
`00:24.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`And you can cancel that expensive gym membership too.`
`00:24.48`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmm one bl5j = 5$...`
`00:24.58`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-)`
`00:25.15`	`DocScrutinizer`	`one BL-5J Nokia is 30$`
`00:25.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`maybe more`
`00:25.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's $15 for those 'genuine' nokia batteries.`
`00:25.54`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that's double fake`
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`00:26.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`as you also have to pay for the counterfeit hologram and shits`
`00:26.38`	`Brik`	`lmao`
`00:26.43`	`lolcat93`	`DocScrutinizer: $3 with shipping for the fake one`
`00:27.15`	`lolcat93`	`http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34910 Would this work to charge it?`
`00:27.56`	`lolcat93`	`Oh well, it is so cheap I can afford it anyways...`
`00:28.20`	`Brik`	`a once off charger?`
`00:28.57`	`lolcat93`	`If I buy 10 fake, or 5 fake fake I will need somehow to charge it without putting it into the phone`
`00:29.10`	`Brik`	`lol`
`00:29.21`	`Brik`	`how about 2 fake fake fake?`
`00:29.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that particular charger looks really crappy`
`00:30.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`not even mentioning any charge management`
`00:30.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`could get nasty`
`00:30.20`	`lolcat93`	`So I need a real charger then`
`00:30.22`	`lolcat93`	`I agree`
`00:30.33`	`lolcat93`	`But how much could that be?`
`00:31.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`seen other ones with at least some product description mentioning charge management electronics, for about same pricetag`
`00:31.33`	`lolcat93`	`Where?`
`00:31.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ebaeh`
`00:33.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`like 7.99 with one fake bl5j "genuine"`
`00:33.48`	`lolcat93`	`But the comments confirms this is real...`
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`00:34.06`	`DocScrutinizer`	`don't ask me`
`00:34.29`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I'm proud to claim I wasn't the one who built them`
`00:35.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`It is not impossible they get cheap ones.`
`00:35.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`Sometimes the factories can be convinced to run off extras.`
`00:35.39`	`SpeedEvil`	`For example - I have a Thinkpad X60S laptop.`
`00:36.01`	`SpeedEvil`	`I have a replacement factory identical bottom metal shell.`
`00:36.12`	`SpeedEvil`	`Also a identical to original power connector`
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`00:37.20`	`lolcat93`	`I found out, five batteries, migth be a little impractical...`
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`00:37.36`	`lolcat93`	`But that would give me 40 houres of phone usage`
`00:37.41`	`lolcat93`	`48 actually`
`00:37.55`	`mortini`	`for extra-long benders?`
`00:39.30`	`lolcat93`	`Huh?`
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`00:43.34`	`lolcat93`	`But I need to do something about this battery time`
`00:43.46`	`lolcat93`	`I could probably order one of each though`
`00:45.53`	`SpeedEvil`	`What is your usecase?`
`00:46.37`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lolcat93: http://gadgetgui.de/blog/2007/02/kurbelantrieb-fuers-handy/`
`00:46.43`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-P`
`00:47.08`	`lolcat93`	`I go from my house, and use the phone VERY active aroudn town in bad reception areas for about 12 houres a day.`
`00:47.27`	`lolcat93`	`Most of the time I do not have time to charge the battery in a wall/computer socket`
`00:48.02`	`lolcat93`	`DocScrutinizer: Would rather use a solar panel`
`00:49.12`	`SpeedEvil`	`lolcat93: ah`
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`00:51.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`c'mon, 2.99GBP`
`00:51.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`meh, out of stock`
`00:53.37`	`lolcat93`	`DocScrutinizer: What?`
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`00:57.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lolcat93: http://www.gadgetshop.com/ViewAll/Wind-Up-Phone-Charger/EPN274050 2.99GBP, out of stock`
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`01:00.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`anyway I'd sugest to use CA-146C adapter with such device, not to make magic blue smoke escape from N900`
`01:03.43`	`pronto`	`blue smoke is awesome though :o`
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`01:22.58`	`pigeon`	`hmm, what's the remedy for fcam stopping the led from working?`
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`01:35.36`	`MohammadAG51`	`pigeon, stop mce; sleep 1; start mce`
`01:36.39`	`pigeon`	`i've done that, even rebooted, and uninstalled fcam too, but still :(`
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`01:45.20`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ouch`
`01:45.37`	`DocScrutinizer`	`which LED stopped working?`
`01:46.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`frowns`
`01:46.27`	`pigeon`	`charging light not working, all tests from LED patterns fail.`
`01:46.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`Odd.`
`01:46.46`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that's really odd`
`01:46.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`Unplug bat.`
`01:46.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`And USB`
`01:46.56`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mhm`
`01:47.01`	`pigeon`	`tries.`
`01:47.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`now, plug in bat, and plug in charger`
`01:47.14`	`SpeedEvil`	`If the yellow does not go on - it's a hardware failure`
`01:47.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`watch LED`
`01:47.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`at least a short yellow flashing should be visible for sure`
`01:47.55`	`MohammadAG51`	`you know`
`01:48.10`	`MohammadAG51`	`kill mce and bme, then shove an empty battery in there`
`01:48.59`	`DocScrutinizer`	`MohammadAG51: bq24150 recovery charge always kicks in, until bme/mce started`
`01:49.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or NOLO`
`01:49.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`to be precise`
`01:49.47`	`DocScrutinizer`	`first hardware emg-chrg yellow, then NOLO yellow flashing, then bme/mce yellow flashing`
`01:50.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`First stage is yellow LED - before CPU has booted.`
`01:51.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`No software is running at this point`
`01:51.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`on plugin of charger to a powered down system. Otherwise without USB the first thing is NOLO ramping up white lifelight LED`
`01:51.54`	`pigeon`	`well, the powering on led light still works`
`01:51.59`	`DocScrutinizer`	`also a good test`
`01:52.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`as it includes all 3 LED colors plus LP5523`
`01:52.50`	`DocScrutinizer`	`then /etc/mce/mce.ini probably is borked`
`01:53.10`	`pigeon`	`unplugging the batteries seem to have done the trick.`
`01:53.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`strange enough we had same issue yesterday`
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`01:53.29`	`pigeon`	`charging light is back`
`01:53.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mhm, then it's been a lockup of LP5523`
`01:54.05`	`DocScrutinizer`	`there's no way to hardreset LP5523 except removal of battery`
`01:54.20`	`pigeon`	`thanks`
`01:54.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`highfives SpeedEvil`
`01:55.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`:)`
`01:55.14`	`pigeon`	`guess i'll try fcam again much later... :)`
`01:55.51`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`unrelated to fcam`
`01:56.27`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`I'd guess... :-)`
`01:56.30`	`pigeon`	`i thought it was only because of: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60508&page=5&highlight=fcam`
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`02:08.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmm, no idea`
`02:08.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`can't see how fcam would interfere with indicator LED at all`
`02:08.46`	`DocScrutinizer`	`but LED blinker device somewhat sounds like that, yes`
`02:09.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`otoh maybe that's flash LED 'blinker', dunno`
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`02:17.18`	`DocScrutinizer`	`pigeon: are U using titan kernel?`
`02:17.47`	`pigeon`	`DocScrutinizer: i'm using power kernel.`
`02:18.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nod`
`02:18.19`	`pigeon`	`is that titan?`
`02:18.20`	`DocScrutinizer`	`obviously another flaw in that kernel`
`02:21.59`	`DocScrutinizer`	`there are several malprovements in that kernel, e.g aiui loading the bq27200 module locks up direct I2C access to the batery gauge chip so all kinds of strange things can happen as we don't know exactly why is usually talking to that chip via I2C and what's going to bork when that fails. At least bme is known to query bq27200 via I2C directly`
`02:22.54`	`DocScrutinizer`	`wouldn't feel surprised if LP5523.ko also got messed up in some way`
`02:23.48`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or any other incompatibility that interferes with mce, leading to mce in turn messing up LP5523 chip`
`02:24.02`	`nox-`	`sounds ugly`
`02:24.16`	`pigeon`	`the only thing i want from that kernel, really, is nat.`
`02:24.20`	`nox-`	`is there another kernel that supports wifi monitor mode?`
`02:24.26`	`nox-`	`heh`
`02:24.45`	`DocScrutinizer`	`messing with kernel without thorough knowledge of the whole system and possible incompatibilities is nasty by definition`
`02:25.19`	`pigeon`	`i suppose i could rebuilt from the stock config with nat turned on if i'm desperate... yeah?`
`02:25.28`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yep`
`02:25.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`think so`
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`04:13.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`pigeon: if you encounter same LED problem again, please do: lsmod\|grep 5523 >pastebin.me; modprobe -r leds_lp5523; modprobe leds_lp5523`
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`04:35.45`	`pigeon`	`DocScrutinizer: ok`
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`09:44.04`	`till__`	`strange, maybe some nick collision after a netsplit`
`09:44.14`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yup`
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`09:50.13`	`th3hate`	`is it possible to add subtitles to vlc on n900?`
`09:50.17`	`X-Fade`	`till__: Do you experience stalls on the beta obs too?`
`09:50.57`	`till__`	`what beta obs?`
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`09:52.03`	`lolcat93`	`Is the vlc good?`
`09:52.14`	`lolcat93`	`Does it support harware acceleration`
`09:52.41`	`chem\|st`	`X-Fade: you are our web-guru right?`
`09:53.23`	`crashanddie`	`chem\|st: "a", not yours :P`
`09:53.31`	`crashanddie`	`X-Fade: doesn't belong to anyone, if only his wife`
`09:53.56`	`crashanddie`	`s/://`
`09:53.57`	`chem\|st`	`I mean he is doing some things with maemo.org?!`
`09:54.14`	`crashanddie`	`yes`
`09:54.19`	`chem\|st`	`kk`
`09:54.50`	`chem\|st`	`X-Fade: did you setup the infraction system or who is to ask for it (dont want to blame initialy)`
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`10:01.30`	`th3hate`	`lolcat93, yes vlc uses the GPU`
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`10:02.51`	`X-Fade`	`chem\|st: what's up?`
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`10:07.51`	`_0x47`	`Anyone knows how to correctly pass CFLAGS to a CDBS package?`
`10:08.52`	mc_teo`	`who highlighted me`
`10:09.37`	`crashanddie`	`chem\|st: I believe the infraction system is part of vbulletin`
`10:12.00`	`MohammadAG51`	`it is`
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`10:12.04`	`MohammadAG51`	`it's on all forums`
`10:12.12`	`MohammadAG51`	`(vBulliten ones)`
`10:12.26`	mc_teo`	`kerio: did you highlight me?`
`10:12.51`	`crashanddie`	mc_teo`: just check the bloody logs
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`10:13.37`	`MohammadAG51`	`lol`
`10:13.39`	`crashanddie`	mc_teo`is there any python lib that deals with n900s wifi?
`10:13.52`	`crashanddie`	keriomc_teo`: os
`10:13.58`	`crashanddie`	`kerioimport os; os.system("ifconfig wlan0 up")`
`10:14.05`	mc_teo`	`crashanddie: i did`
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`10:14.13`	`crashanddie`	`then why frigging ask?`
`10:14.27`	mc_teo`	`but i found also that chanserv removed operater status from me`
`10:14.43`	mc_teo`	`and since ive never held operator status here`
`10:14.53`	`chem\|st`	`crashanddie: mmh there is something wrong with it... the total count and not the aactive count of infractions is base for 3infractions banning...`
`10:14.55`	`crashanddie`	`you never had operator status`
`10:14.58`	`MohammadAG51`	`facepalms`
`10:15.05`	mc_teo`	`i did not trust the logs integrity`
`10:15.16`	`mece`	`_0x47, often there are switches in the beginning of the rules file.. somertimes they work ;)`
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`10:15.49`	`MohammadAG51`	`chem\|st, ask Reggie`
`10:15.59`	`Stskeepz`	`is abill_uk banned yet?`
`10:16.12`	`chem\|st`	`MohammadAG51: did anything happen to your status btw?`
`10:16.29`	mc_teo`	`http://pastebin.com/J6J1sU18`
`10:16.33`	mc_teo`	`crashanddie: see?`
`10:16.33`	`MohammadAG51`	`hmm, on the forums? nope`
`10:16.36`	`ZogG`	`Stskeepz is he from tmo ?`
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`10:16.44`	`chem\|st`	`Stskeepz: lol nope but some people are playing up the last few days`
`10:16.45`	`ZogG`	`i think i remember his nick`
`10:16.52`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: yes`
`10:17.03`	`ZogG`	`why would you ban him`
`10:17.18`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: flameatory troll`
`10:17.19`	`ZogG`	`he is annoying sometimes but still there are a lot of trolls there while he is ok`
`10:17.57`	`_0x47`	`mece: I have this site: http://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/ and it seems to say I'd just have to use the "CFLAGS += nostrip noopy" line. In fact I don't know if the += (or even :=) is correct, and I don't know if I'd have to use "-nostrip -noopt" (with -). I just know the build fails with "final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output" as soon as I add the CFLAGS entry in debian/rules. :(`
`10:18.01`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: cause any thread he joins turns into a moderator/nokia/members flamewar`
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`10:18.18`	`_0x47`	`noopt*`
`10:18.55`	`ZogG`	`chem\|st, have you warn him?`
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`10:19.18`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: he was warned several times and timebanned also`
`10:19.18`	`MohammadAG51`	`he was banned numerous times`
`10:19.21`	mc_teo`	`fucking hell`
`10:19.25`	`crashanddie`	mc_teo`: the official logs disagree with your version of things: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-19.log.html
`10:19.39`	mc_teo`	`crashanddie: it was during a netsplit`
`10:20.03`	`ZogG`	`chem\|st, so ban him, but it's not that hard to make new account`
`10:20.09`	mc_teo`	`i lagged out and auto rejoined`
`10:20.11`	`crashanddie`	mc_teo`: well, then it could be you joined #maemo on a server where it didn't exist, so you got op status
`10:20.19`	`crashanddie`	mc_teo`: then as the services rejoined, and synched, you were de-opped
`10:20.32`	`crashanddie`	mc_teo`: your logs are valid, they just reflect the inner working of the servers
`10:20.39`	mc_teo`	`i think that is the most logical conclusion`
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`10:21.27`	`crashanddie`	`anyway, going for lunch, 'later all`
`10:22.12`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: sure it isn't but he will get banned for that again and again...`
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`10:24.11`	`ZogG`	`crashanddie bon appetite`
`10:24.27`	`ZogG`	`chem\|st, okay - there are some annoying guys on forum`
`10:24.36`	`ZogG`	`as well as new ones`
`10:24.42`	`chem\|st`	mc_teo`: freenode had a hickup... nothing special...
`10:24.55`	`ZogG`	`and if yu ban nokia worker ? =)`
`10:24.58`	mc_teo`	`chem\|st: i wasnt arguing about that`
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`10:25.14`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: link?`
`10:25.24`	`_0x47`	`mece: Don't leave me alone!`
`10:25.28`	`ZogG`	`chem\|st for?`
`10:25.38`	`chem\|st`	`nokia worker?`
`10:25.51`	`chem\|st`	`ZogG: or was that a joke?`
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`10:26.34`	`chem\|st`	`I feel left alone sometimes, brainstorm is exploding, trolls are growing to dwarfs...`
`10:27.00`	`ZogG`	`chem\|st, i mean theoretically if you ban nokia worker`
`10:27.20`	`Stskeepz`	`ZogG: nokians are part of the community, no special treatment`
`10:27.23`	`ZogG`	`chem\|st, brainstorm is not working that much =(`
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`10:27.57`	`ZogG`	`Stskeepz, i know - but if you ban some big nokia guy and they holdig server - i don't think it will go that well`
`10:28.00`	`TermanaN900`	`damn netsplit crap earlier :P`
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`10:28.20`	`ZogG`	`TermanaN900, netsplits are tasty`
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`10:28.34`	`alterego`	`Nokia employees are generally a lot more polkite though, as they have their job at stake :)`
`10:29.54`	`frals`	`Stskeepz: i say ban all the damn nokia employees! ;-)`
`10:29.55`	`TermanaN900`	`is anyone else getting a Maemo update shown? (on PR1.2)`
`10:30.38`	`ZogG`	`frals =)`
`10:30.42`	`X-Fade`	`TermanaN900: can you click on it and look at the details?`
`10:30.46`	`TermanaN900`	`slaps frals around with a bit of MohammadAG51`
`10:30.57`	`ZogG`	`frals, what for? just quil or what is his nick?`
`10:31.00`	`X-Fade`	`TermanaN900: See what it wants to update?`
`10:31.10`	`MohammadAG51`	`grumbles`
`10:31.20`	`ZogG`	`TermanaN900 maybe MohammadAG51 package?`
`10:31.30`	`TermanaN900`	`X-Fade, heh for some reason it thinks multiboot is a Maemo package`
`10:31.30`	`MohammadAG51`	`slaps TermanaN900 with 10 tonne ACME anvil`
`10:31.36`	`frals`	`ZogG: im just kidding ;)`
`10:31.52`	`TermanaN900`	`Maemo (system) package`
`10:31.54`	`ZogG`	`frals and i'm not ._.`
`10:31.57`	`Stskeepz`	`TermanaN900: hmmm`
`10:31.57`	`Stskeepz`	`:P`
`10:31.57`	`MohammadAG51`	`wtf`
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`10:32.24`	`ZogG`	`TermanaN900, do you have scrolling fix MohammadAG51 made?`
`10:32.37`	`MohammadAG51`	`TermanaN900, if you have multiboot installed and there's an update it's shown as a Maemo update`
`10:32.44`	`MohammadAG51`	`XB-Maemo-Flags`
`10:32.48`	`TermanaN900`	`ZogG, hmm, no?`
`10:32.53`	`MohammadAG51`	`that way a user can't install it`
`10:33.08`	`MohammadAG51`	`s/install/uninstall/`
`10:33.53`	`ZogG`	`TermanaN900, i think i had a mamemo upate several days ago and it was something with kernel`
`10:34.01`	`TermanaN900`	`hits MohammadAG51 over the head with an N900`
`10:34.22`	`TermanaN900`	`thats what you get for presenting non-system updates as system updates`
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`10:35.20`	`ZogG`	`TermanaN900, i think this one is maintained by MohammadAG51 as well`
`10:35.38`	mc_teo`	`yeah i got that last night`
`10:35.44`	mc_teo`	`didnt install it though`
`10:36.01`	`MohammadAG51`	`TermanaN900, blame the notifier`
`10:36.25`	`MohammadAG51`	`ZogG, for devel yes, I maintain the package`
`10:36.28`	mc_teo`	`MohammadAG51: is it nessidary?`
`10:36.34`	`frals`	`blame MohammadAG51 for setting the flags!`
`10:36.36`	mc_teo`	`nessisary*`
`10:36.39`	`frals`	`burn him! BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn`
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`10:36.52`	`MohammadAG51`	`blame crashanddie for forcing me to do it`
`10:37.04`	`frals`	`btw what are we talking about?`
`10:37.04`	`TermanaN900`	`ah now i understand`
`10:37.05`	`ZogG`	`TermanaN900, it was "Enhanced Linux kernel for power users "`
`10:37.10`	`TermanaN900`	`crashanddie`
`10:37.28`	`Jaffa`	`re`
`10:37.32`	`MohammadAG51`	`frals, setting an XB-Maemo-Flags: trout-package on an app`
`10:38.03`	`frals`	`hmpf!`
`10:38.17`	`frals`	`yes, guess you can do that on your packages with the amount of trout youve been slapped with!`
`10:38.48`	`ZogG`	`ban crashanddie while he is at lunch =)`
`10:38.57`	`MohammadAG51`	`~frals`
`10:38.58`	`infobot`	`i guess frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS`
`10:39.35`	`TermanaN900`	`~MohammedAG`
`10:40.06`	`MohammadAG51`	`TermanaN900, fail :P`
`10:40.49`	`TermanaN900`	`infobot, MohammadAG is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to`
`10:40.50`	`infobot`	`...but mohammadag is already something else...`
`10:40.56`	`TermanaN900`	`fuck you`
`10:40.58`	`TermanaN900`	`:P`
`10:41.09`	`jacekowski`	`~forget MohammadAG`
`10:41.10`	`infobot`	`jacekowski: i forgot mohammadag`
`10:41.14`	`jacekowski`	`try now`
`10:41.17`	`TermanaN900`	`infobot, MohammadAG is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to`
`10:41.18`	`infobot`	`TermanaN900: okay`
`10:41.36`	`Appiah`	`:D`
`10:41.47`	`alterego`	`Where's the docs on sending sms via dbus?`
`10:42.08`	`TermanaN900`	`alterego, wiki.maemo.org/Phone_Control`
`10:42.20`	`Appiah`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle ?`
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`10:42.46`	`Appiah`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control`
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`10:43.07`	`alterego`	`The wiki front page/navigation is scht ...`
`10:43.11`	`alterego`	`Thanks TermanaN900`
`10:43.24`	`timeless`	`http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/diffutils-2.8.1/man/cmp.1?force=1`
`10:43.27`	`timeless`	`err`
`10:44.04`	`Stskeepz`	`http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/735568.html <- hmm`
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`10:46.41`	`TermanaN900`	`Stskeepz, interesting`
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`10:51.11`	`MohammadAG51`	`i still can't figure out how nokia can't plug that leak`
`10:51.48`	`Stskeepz`	`also, is that a stupid leaker or what`
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`10:52.07`	`frals`	`hmm`
`10:52.08`	`Stskeepz`	`barcodes, hardware ids..`
`10:52.16`	`frals`	`Stskeepz: i was just thinking that`
`10:52.21`	`Stskeepz`	`someone's going to prison`
`10:52.22`	`Stskeepz`	`:P`
`10:52.29`	`Stskeepz`	`or court, dunno`
`10:52.29`	`Stskeepz`	`:P`
`10:52.59`	`timeless`	`what leak is this?`
`10:53.21`	`Stskeepz`	`then again, this could theoretically be a KIRF running meego`
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`10:54.19`	`Termana`	`Damn it thats pissing me off`
`10:54.34`	`Foob`	`After i finally have my N800 as i like it to be`
`10:54.41`	`Termana`	`My N900's data connection just disconnects for no reason`
`10:54.46`	`Termana`	`Anyway`
`10:54.53`	`Foob`	`is there any way to make a full backup of this system?`
`10:54.59`	`Termana`	`Stskeepz, that leak looks like an N8 except with MeeGo on it`
`10:55.03`	`Termana`	`aka UGLY`
`10:55.04`	`Foob`	`So i dont have to reinstall everything step by step`
`10:56.18`	`TomaszD`	`heh, n9 is looking good`
`10:56.38`	`frals`	`timeless: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/`
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`10:57.21`	`timeless`	`oh, i only care about memory leaks`
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`10:57.43`	`X-Fade`	`Hmm that baidu page is already 8 days old. Took a long time to reach engadget ;)`
`10:57.52`	`Stskeepz`	`people obviously don't read chinese`
`10:58.09`	`X-Fade`	`Stskeepz: Minor detail :)`
`10:59.04`	`X-Fade`	`But yeah, imei printed on the back cover ;)`
`10:59.21`	`Termana`	`X-Fade, Well, it is Engadget :P`
`10:59.55`	`Termana`	`Also Engadget has chinese writers, so...`
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`11:03.10`	`mece`	`damn.. that "N9" has a certain WANT to it...`
`11:03.29`	`MohammadAG51`	`is it me or did nokia go E66 style for all there future phones?`
`11:03.44`	`MohammadAG51`	`seriously, the N8 is a bigger E66, minus the slider`
`11:04.15`	`ZogG`	`he is great how did he got n9 ?`
`11:04.19`	`mece`	`MohammadAG51, umm.. huh?`
`11:04.21`	`ZogG`	`and n9 looks terrible =(`
`11:04.46`	`MohammadAG51`	`mece, compare the E66 with the N8`
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`11:04.57`	`MohammadAG51`	`ZogG, easy, there's a bastard leaking them`
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`11:05.28`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51, why bastard?`
`11:05.49`	`MohammadAG51`	`takes out the wow effect when a company announces a device`
`11:05.57`	`MohammadAG51`	`"Meh, seen it on engadget"`
`11:06.11`	`MohammadAG51`	`take a look at apple`
`11:06.17`	`MohammadAG51`	`their devices rarely leak`
`11:06.23`	`MohammadAG51`	`(when they do however...)`
`11:06.40`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51 and their devices mostly the same`
`11:06.42`	`MohammadAG51`	`N97, N900, N8, N9, were all leaked on eldar's site`
`11:06.56`	`ZogG`	`when iphone4 leaked it was funny`
`11:06.58`	`mece`	`MohammadAG51, well, they both have slightly similar rounded corners. That's about it.`
`11:07.20`	`ZogG`	`everyone said it's awfull but when it was released everyone liked it -)`
`11:07.39`	`MohammadAG51`	`mece, and the bottom part also looks the same`
`11:08.01`	`mece`	`the bottom part is the same as the top part, isn't it.`
`11:08.03`	`mece`	`anyway`
`11:08.07`	`mece`	`I think the N8 is pretty.`
`11:08.46`	`mece`	`particularly the blue and orange ones.`
`11:08.55`	`_0x47`	`mece: Do you know CDBS?`
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`11:09.11`	`mece`	`_0x47, doesn't ring a bell.`
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`11:10.30`	`alterego`	`Note down the imei, could give us Harmattan in the future :D`
`11:10.33`	`mece`	`_0x47, looks interesting though. I hate packaging, so anything that is simple is good.`
`11:10.35`	`_0x47`	`mece: Okay, that's my problem. It's different from default debian packaging, and I cannot set the CFLAGS as usualy. In fact my debian/rules consists of two lines. Check out http://debathena.mit.edu/packaging/ maybe you can help me sort that out?`
`11:10.35`	`alterego`	`coffs`
`11:10.49`	`Stskeepz`	`alterego: traditionally proto IMEI's don't work with download sites`
`11:10.49`	`Stskeepz`	`:P`
`11:11.05`	`MohammadAG51`	`<alterego> Note down the imei, could give us Harmattan in the future :D LOL`
`11:11.06`	`Corsac`	`mece: then dh7 would be for you, except that it won't work in fremantle autobuilders`
`11:11.16`	`MohammadAG51`	`it will`
`11:11.21`	`MohammadAG51`	`install debhelper7`
`11:11.28`	`Corsac`	`is it available?`
`11:11.30`	`Corsac`	`that's nice`
`11:11.37`	`MohammadAG51`	`yes, backport`
`11:11.40`	`Corsac`	`ok`
`11:11.43`	`MohammadAG51`	`named debhelper7`
`11:11.49`	`Corsac`	`then you want >= 7.0.50~ if possible`
`11:11.53`	`MohammadAG51`	`you'll need to set some flags in debian/rules`
`11:11.54`	`Corsac`	`(so you can use overrides)`
`11:12.19`	`ZogG`	`Stskeepz, but you can always leak us some of imeis =)`
`11:12.32`	`_0x47`	`mece: Yeah, the biggest problem is, that the original package already includes a debian/ dir, which makes use of CDBS. And if I remove it, trying to use a default generated debian dir (dh_make), the build fails. So I have to stick with it, but neet to define CFLAGS nostrip and noopt`
`11:12.45`	`alterego`	`Don't like the camera without slide :/`
`11:12.55`	`alterego`	`No kickstand`
`11:13.04`	`_0x47`	`I already use dephelper7 btw`
`11:13.13`	`alterego`	`And it looks huge`
`11:13.14`	`_0x47`	`what does it make for an difference?`
`11:13.27`	`Corsac`	`alterego: huge?`
`11:13.42`	`alterego`	`Screen looks good size though, I think I could own one of those :)`
`11:13.45`	`Corsac`	`alterego: nothing can be huge sitting next to an n900 :)`
`11:13.49`	`ZogG`	`i like n900`
`11:13.54`	`ZogG`	`only better battery`
`11:14.01`	`ZogG`	`and maybe little bit smaller`
`11:14.04`	`ZogG`	`it's too fat`
`11:14.15`	`Corsac`	`yeah, I wouldn't be against some mm off`
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`11:14.19`	`Appiah`	`then you are too weak!`
`11:15.01`	`alterego`	`Can't see any spectacular speaker areas either, so I'm presuming it doesn't have any decent loud speakers :/`
`11:15.30`	`Appiah`	`have you ever tried it alterego ?`
`11:15.40`	`Corsac`	`which is nice, actually, I hate people listening to music on phone speakers`
`11:16.01`	`ZogG`	`Corsac, i hate people.`
`11:16.04`	`Appiah`	`:)`
`11:16.37`	`mece`	`_0x47, well I tried to set optimization flags on a normal autotools build but it simply never listened to me at all. It was very confusing and annoying.`
`11:16.45`	`mece`	`_0x47, so good luck with that.`
`11:16.50`	`MohammadAG51`	`<Corsac> which is nice, actually, I hate people listening to music on phone speakers`
`11:17.01`	`MohammadAG51`	`you know, sometimes people want a decent alarm`
`11:17.11`	`_0x47`	`mece: Yes, you said it: confusing and annoying >< Thanks anyways!`
`11:17.13`	`MohammadAG51`	`I have to use a stereo system on my N900 to wake up`
`11:17.27`	`Corsac`	`just tape it to your wrist and make it vibrate`
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`11:17.42`	`Corsac`	`(and I never had a problem waking up with my n900)`
`11:18.00`	`Appiah`	`tape the n900 to the wrist and make it vibrate hmmmm.. (getting funny ideas)`
`11:18.31`	`ZogG`	`i wake up normally`
`11:18.45`	`ZogG`	`Appiah that one goes not to wrist`
`11:19.21`	`mece`	`_0x47, working on vcmi?`
`11:19.52`	`_0x47`	`mece: yeah`
`11:21.00`	`_0x47`	`i hate cdbs`
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`11:22.57`	`ZogG`	`_0x47 and i like cddb`
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`11:23.10`	`ieatlint`	`i just found a weird fucking cable... standard sata on one end, and then a block on the other end with sata and the sata power connector`
`11:24.45`	`_0x47`	`ZogG: cdbs not cddb`
`11:24.54`	`_0x47`	`common debian build system`
`11:25.07`	`_0x47`	`but somehow it's not even close to common`
`11:25.44`	`ZogG`	`_0x47, i know but i still love cddb`
`11:26.43`	`_0x47`	`lol`
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`11:28.29`	`mece`	`_0x47, ok seems that CDBS checks DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for noopt, so I guess.. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := noopt,nostrip`
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`11:29.50`	`_0x47`	`mece: let me try, thanks!`
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`11:33.29`	`Termana`	`I come back to my computer to find my cat has typed things and is sitting on my keyboard`
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`11:35.18`	`lcuk`	`Termana, anything artistic that he typed?`
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`11:36.13`	`Termana`	`lcuk, she actually. But other than that, I think so! Because when I looked, she had parted me from several channels before disconnecting me`
`11:36.22`	`Termana`	`Sinister plot against me`
`11:36.56`	`lcuk`	`Termana, thats quite an adept kitty!`
`11:37.03`	`lcuk`	`is it a laptop?`
`11:37.12`	`Foob`	`Is there any way to change what these physical buttons are doing?`
`11:37.15`	`Foob`	`n800`
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`11:38.40`	`Termana`	`lcuk, a netbook connected to an external monitor and external keyboard/mouse. However, the cat was sitting on top of the netbook's keyboard`
`11:38.54`	`lcuk`	`hmm Foob for all apps? or for just one? which buttons are wrong and what do you want them to do?`
`11:39.03`	`lcuk`	`Termana, warmth :P`
`11:39.06`	`Termana`	`lcuk, even more evidence of its smartness and sinister plot! It could do all that on the small netbook keyboard`
`11:39.10`	`Foob`	`hmm, how i should explane this...`
`11:39.10`	`Termana`	`lcuk, :P`
`11:39.36`	`Foob`	`In the middle of arrow buttons there is button, what makes virtual keyboard fullscreen`
`11:39.54`	`Foob`	`I want to have it behave like enter button`
`11:41.19`	`ag0ny`	`How can I disable the update check of the program manager after a connection is established?`
`11:41.45`	`lcuk`	`ag0ny, you can dig into gconf and change the delay between updates to something like 100 years`
`11:41.48`	`lcuk`	`Foob, hmm`
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`11:42.06`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: dig into gconf?`
`11:42.16`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: How do I do that?`
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`11:43.13`	`Jaffa`	`Hilarity: Nokia architect on meego-dev says that because people want to separate their calendars on device, having only one syncable calendar is sensible.`
`11:44.18`	`Stskeeps`	`Jaffa: that's what open development is for..`
`11:44.22`	`Stskeeps`	`argue`
`11:44.23`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`11:44.52`	`smooph`	`smart would be giving people the choice which one to sync`
`11:47.31`	`Jaffa`	`Stskeeps: I have.`
`11:48.31`	`Jaffa`	`smooph: Smart would be allowing each calendar to be synced or local, with different sync services and transports for each; possibly reusing the same one. For example, two MfE, one CalDAV, one local.`
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`11:50.45`	`_0x47`	`mece: doesn't work but seems like DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS does not check for nostrip, only for noopt. I'll try with CLFAGS += nostrip and DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := noopt`
`11:50.48`	`frals`	`Jaffa: i read it as only one calendar synced with a given service`
`11:51.35`	`lcuk`	`frals Jaffa - which mail thread is this on (subject?)`
`11:51.39`	`frals`	`.. and now i read your reply, so nvm me ;)`
`11:51.46`	`frals`	`[MeeGo-dev] Buteo / data synchronization in MeeGo: hello world!`
`11:51.59`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Can I also set update_when_connected_by to 0 to avoid update checks?`
`11:52.16`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Or is there somewhere a list that explains all settings?`
`11:52.26`	`lcuk`	`ag0ny, I don't know, but search google for that keyword will likely find people discussing it`
`11:53.19`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Aye, for Apple, HTC and Ubuntu :D`
`11:53.41`	`lcuk`	`then prefix with maemo`
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`11:53.48`	`smooph`	`Jaffa: I second that`
`11:54.13`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Nothing`
`11:54.27`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: I did search google!`
`11:54.45`	`lcuk`	`so where did you find out there was a "update_when_connected_by" variable in the first place?`
`11:55.07`	`ag0ny`	`gconftool-2 -R /apps \| grep update`
`11:55.44`	`ZogG`	`i wonder who are those guys that are comming to TMO announcing something new and disappear ? Nokians?`
`11:56.03`	`mece`	`ZogG, example plz`
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`11:56.55`	`ZogG`	`http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60660`
`11:56.58`	`lcuk`	`ag0ny, what path in gconf?`
`11:57.33`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk, don't know as grep does not show it, as it seems`
`11:58.03`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk, give me a second. I am trying something`
`11:58.08`	`mece`	`ZogG, well I guess it's someone from the pyside team :) also, Nice!`
`11:59.00`	`lcuk`	`ag0ny, I have heard of people changing "some" setting for update times, you will have to dig I have stuff to do`
`11:59.54`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Hm...`
`12:00.27`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51, MohammadAG51 MohammadAG51`
`12:00.35`	`MohammadAG51`	`???`
`12:00.35`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Ok, Ill try. But guess Ill keep asking on. I wonder if I am really the only one getting upset that everytime I need to quickly check something online, I am delayed by the update checks`
`12:00.38`	`lcuk`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check`
`12:00.48`	`lcuk`	`you are the only one who cannot google ;)`
`12:01.09`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51 ps3 hacked?`
`12:01.20`	`MohammadAG51`	`LOL don't hold your breath`
`12:01.20`	`ag0ny`	`lcuk: Thanks. Sorry...I really search for this`
`12:01.30`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51 srsly`
`12:01.32`	`ag0ny`	`searched`
`12:01.34`	`lcuk`	`np`
`12:01.40`	`lcuk`	`sometimes keywords dont jump out`
`12:02.12`	`MohammadAG51`	`ZogG, debug unit, no`
`12:02.14`	`Jaffa`	`frals: Maybe, but it seemed to be an argument for repeating what the N900 allowed you to do...`
`12:02.34`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51, www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOEbZEkp9A&feature=player_embedded`
`12:02.44`	`mece`	`ZogG, heh just watching that..`
`12:03.06`	`MohammadAG51`	`ZogG,`
`12:03.12`	`MohammadAG51`	`it's a debug unit`
`12:03.14`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51 it was announced`
`12:03.20`	`MohammadAG51`	`it's a debug unit`
`12:03.27`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's A COOKBOOK!`
`12:03.37`	`MohammadAG51`	`LOLWUT`
`12:03.43`	`ZogG`	`who cares now you can backup games and load from harddrive`
`12:03.46`	`frals`	`Jaffa: the last reply indicates that its possible somehow, or am i misreading it?`
`12:04.54`	`kerio`	`the wii is completely hacked but nobody seems to care ._.`
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`12:06.14`	`Jaffa`	`frals: Maybe, I'll reply with the example I gave here.`
`12:06.52`	`ZogG`	`MohammadAG51 i'm sure it would work on not debug unit as well`
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`12:08.58`	`MohammadAG51`	`ZogG, nope`
`12:09.30`	`frals`	`Jaffa: dunno how google implements the multiple calendar stuff but my understanding is it should be possible with buteo if its separate calendars`
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`12:12.14`	`frals`	`(assuming its syncml anyway)`
`12:12.59`	`Termana`	`ZogG, some simple research would show you that yes, in fact, that user is a Nokian :P`
`12:13.02`	`Guest90759`	`is there anything wrong with the following dbus command to send sms`
`12:13.03`	`Guest90759`	`dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SMS --type=method_call --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/SMS/ba212ae1 com.nokia.csd.SMS.Outgoing.Send array:string:"hello" string:"442324543"`
`12:13.23`	`Guest90759`	`documentation is in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle`
`12:13.33`	`ZogG`	`Termana, i'm not stalker =)`
`12:13.41`	`kerio`	`Guest90759: there's something wrong with your nickname`
`12:13.44`	`Termana`	`ZogG, heh :P`
`12:13.45`	`kerio`	`or rather, the lack of one`
`12:13.58`	`frals`	`Guest90759: it should be a SMS PDU and not a regular string afaik`
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`12:14.43`	`Termana`	`kerio, I think we need to train these Nokia employees on the competent use and etiquette of IRC`
`12:14.51`	`kerio`	`hehe`
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`12:14.59`	`Guest9943`	`frals, i dint get you can you be little brief`
`12:15.03`	`Guest9943`	`please`
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`12:15.09`	`Foob`	`darn`
`12:15.43`	`Jaffa`	`frals: I believe you can get a CalDAV URL per calendar; although its Exchange conduit only handles the first`
`12:15.45`	`frals`	`Termana: and I'm sure quite a few of them can educate you ;-)`
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`12:15.53`	`Foob`	`How I can set up this machine into god damn monitor mode :P`
`12:16.11`	`Termana`	`frals, I'm just trying to build a master race`
`12:16.13`	`Termana`	`I mean disaster mace`
`12:16.15`	`Termana`	`HONESTLY`
`12:16.32`	`frals`	`Guest9943: i think you need to binary encode the string, but im not sure, if you check the source code of vertsms you can see how its done`
`12:16.55`	`Guest9943`	`frals, thankx a lot`
`12:17.23`	`frals`	`np`
`12:18.20`	`Termana`	`frals, anyway, I'm sure they could. But there is always someone smarter than you. Unless your Stephen Hawking, I guess.`
`12:20.21`	`Termana`	`But I don't see Stephen Hawking strolling into here and talking with a guest nickname either :P`
`12:21.13`	`kerio`	`well of course, he can't talk`
`12:21.26`	`kerio`	`nor use a n900 anyway`
`12:21.58`	`RST38h`	`You never know...`
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`12:25.27`	`Jaffa`	`The MeeGo Touch Framework tutorial is very impressive.`
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`12:26.11`	`Stskeeps`	`url?`
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`12:27.12`	`Jaffa`	`Stskeeps: http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/tutorial.html`
`12:29.11`	`alterego`	`Christ, so they're not using normal Qt APIs then`
`12:29.25`	`alterego`	`Hildon all over again :)`
`12:29.35`	`alterego`	`MApplicationWindow?`
`12:29.52`	`Jaffa`	`alterego: See arguments made by w00t_ ages ago on tmo :-(`
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`12:30.22`	`Termana`	`"pinching gesture"`
`12:30.25`	`alterego`	`Yeah,`
`12:30.26`	`Termana`	`cringe :P`
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`12:30.37`	`Stskeeps`	`there's good reasons for that, fwiw`
`12:30.38`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`12:30.49`	`alterego`	`MLabel?!? What's wrong with QLabel?`
`12:30.56`	`Jaffa`	`N9 looks nice as well`
`12:30.57`	`w00t_`	`well, don't get me wrong, there's good reasons for trying new things`
`12:31.02`	`alterego`	`Stskeeps: making it harder to port to other platforms?`
`12:31.08`	`Stskeeps`	`QLabel can't be rendered on top of qgraphicsview or something`
`12:31.09`	`Termana`	`alterego, :D`
`12:31.09`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`12:31.09`	`crashanddie`	`Jaffa: good features?`
`12:31.14`	`Stskeeps`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:31.14`	`crashanddie`	`Jaffa: good battery life?`
`12:31.16`	`lcuk`	`the Q character is up in the top left of the keyboard`
`12:31.17`	`crashanddie`	`Jaffa: good OS?`
`12:31.19`	`Jaffa`	`crashanddie: Well, it looked shiny ;-p`
`12:31.25`	`Jaffa`	`crashanddie: Probably no to all of those ;-)`
`12:31.26`	`Termana`	`lol`
`12:31.27`	`lcuk`	`moving it to the M saves your fingers 300 miles on average`
`12:31.27`	`w00t_`	`Stskeeps: it can, but there's a huge performance hit to do so (QGraphicsProxyWidget)`
`12:31.47`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: BTW, does Hermes use Python, or is it native?`
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`12:32.00`	`Termana`	`lcuk, perfect! At least we know the APIs have been made by developers for developers :P`
`12:32.00`	`crashanddie`	`it's naively using python`
`12:32.01`	`alterego`	`crashanddie: then fix QLabel ..`
`12:32.07`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Python`
`12:32.09`	`crashanddie`	`alterego: sorry?`
`12:32.12`	`RST38h`	`idly studies meegotouch tutorial, considering moving his stuff to meegotouch`
`12:32.14`	`Termana`	`alterego, wrong person`
`12:32.17`	`lcuk`	`Termana, the other alternative was making mwerty keyboards`
`12:32.18`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: Oh, pity :9`
`12:32.21`	`RST38h`	`:(`
`12:32.21`	`alterego`	`s/crashanddie/Stskeeps`
`12:32.21`	`lcuk`	`but that was rejected :P`
`12:32.24`	`alterego`	`:)`
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`12:32.31`	`Termana`	`lcuk, :D`
`12:32.32`	`crashanddie`	`throws a banana at alterego`
`12:32.40`	`mece`	`QGraphicsView has a standard QGraphicsItem very similar to QLabel, IIRC`
`12:32.41`	`RST38h`	`Is meegotouch available from extras-*, anyway?`
`12:32.48`	`RST38h`	`(I mean, a usable version?)`
`12:33.05`	`alterego`	`Surely QLabel uses QPainter ..`
`12:33.23`	`MiXu-`	`I wonder what a pure Qt application is going to look like on MeeGo.`
`12:33.25`	`alterego`	`Sorry .. MPainter now I'm sure -_-`
`12:33.27`	`mece`	`but afaict you can use standard qt stuff too.. or?`
`12:33.42`	`alterego`	`MiXu-: it'll look fine I'm sure`
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`12:33.47`	`MiXu-`	`mece: That's my understanding`
`12:34.18`	`MiXu-`	`So unless you write your app blindly with MeeGo in mind, porting to pure Qt shouldn't be that hard`
`12:34.44`	`crashanddie`	`MiXu-: s/M/Q/`
`12:34.44`	`crashanddie`	`done`
`12:34.58`	`Termana`	`:P`
`12:35.17`	`mece`	`http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/class_m_application.html`
`12:35.21`	`alterego`	`Hah`
`12:36.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`Class M for Murder?`
`12:36.37`	`crashanddie`	`"Merde"`
`12:36.43`	`Termana`	`How can 152 people be viewing a thread and not one person has said anything in the last 10 minutes? :P`
`12:36.56`	`achipa`	`Termana: they're shocked and appalled`
`12:37.02`	`mece`	`Termana, shock and awe`
`12:37.03`	`alterego`	`Termana: they're all mega ranting :)`
`12:37.04`	`mece`	`hah`
`12:37.09`	`Termana`	`lol`
`12:37.12`	`MiXu-`	`haha`
`12:37.19`	`Termana`	`I'm just waiting for the troll posts to come flooding in :P`
`12:37.27`	`Termana`	`Big posts awaiting`
`12:37.32`	`crashanddie`	`someone asked for a troll?`
`12:37.34`	`Termana`	`Server must still be processing them :P`
`12:37.42`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Not sure why the implementation language would bother you as a user; unless you wanted to contribute some patches.`
`12:37.43`	`achipa`	`you don't ask for trolls... you get them`
`12:38.11`	`crashanddie`	`Termana: shouldn't you be asleep by now?`
`12:38.20`	`Termana`	`achipa, no one would ask for trolls - thats a horrible disease!`
`12:38.21`	`mece`	`wtf does these M's do that the Q's don't? Seems to be some tiny things. I'm gonna just ignore them and go with Q.`
`12:38.34`	`Termana`	`crashanddie, what? no, its only 10:08pm :P`
`12:38.39`	`crashanddie`	`oh, ok`
`12:38.41`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: No, I have been refusing to reinstall Python since I have seen what it does to the fstab`
`12:38.53`	`crashanddie`	`Termana: link to post?`
`12:39.05`	`Termana`	`crashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60666`
`12:39.11`	`alterego`	`RST38h: hah :)`
`12:39.12`	`crashanddie`	`ouch, devil number`
`12:39.15`	`lizardo`	`RST38h: it doesnt' touch /etc/fstab at all :)`
`12:39.21`	`Termana`	`lol`
`12:39.21`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: It is probably a stupid bias, but I can't stand seeing 'df' output with Python installed`
`12:39.23`	`Corsac`	`on va finir par avoir de la M dans le Q`
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`12:39.35`	`crashanddie`	`Corsac: nice`
`12:39.49`	`Termana`	`crashanddie, well, actually you're right - I probably SHOULD be in bed instead of going to bed late and waking up early. But :P`
`12:39.53`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: That's pretty much "cutting off your nose to spite your face", isn't it?`
`12:40.09`	`Corsac`	`crashanddie: you helped me a lot :)`
`12:40.20`	`Iluminator101`	`hi where can i get mozilla mobile add ons for maemo`
`12:40.28`	`lizardo`	`RST38h: blame busybox df being too minimalist`
`12:40.31`	`crashanddie`	`Corsac: that's the first time someone says I've helped them by giving them shit :D`
`12:40.44`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: It is.`
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`12:40.54`	`Corsac`	`crashanddie: I don't want the details`
`12:41.02`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: Rather like "not getting glasses" though`
`12:41.24`	`alterego`	`Oh my, there are a lot of M classes ....`
`12:41.51`	`RST38h`	`alterego: I am sure they had fun replacing all those pesky Q-classes with their own shining M-classes`
`12:41.59`	`alterego`	`:/`
`12:42.01`	`RST38h`	`alterego: Makes one feel mighty`
`12:42.05`	`crashanddie`	`sounds like a mercedes discussion`
`12:42.07`	`mece`	`Am I just being stupid here or do these M classes indicate that I have the awesome ability to make software for my meego device that I absolutely do not want to work on non meego qt devices?`
`12:42.25`	`Corsac`	`Qt sucks anyway`
`12:42.30`	`alterego`	`mece: that's what it looks like`
`12:42.31`	`Corsac`	`Mt is really better`
`12:42.32`	`Termana`	`alterego, RST38h - I am disappoint. You broke the rhyming`
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`12:44.15`	`mece`	`oh... noooo! http://apidocs.meego.com/mtf/class_m_widget.html`
`12:44.45`	`mece`	`that graph just makes me very sad somehow.`
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`12:45.04`	`alterego`	`contemplateson what to do today ...`
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`12:47.33`	`Termana`	`As if all this N9 and Qt depression wasn't enough, you want more stuff (to do)?`
`12:47.47`	`mece`	`Termana, what's wrong with N9?`
`12:47.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`alterego: Have you considered going outside, and pretending to be a tree?`
`12:48.01`	`RST38h`	`mece: it also means that on Symbian, you will have to use THEIR OWN Qt based framework`
`12:48.11`	`Termana`	`mece, besides the fact it looks like an N8 - a.k.a ITS UGLY`
`12:48.12`	`RST38h`	`mece: And I am sure there will be M2-classes in Meego2 ;)`
`12:48.15`	`mece`	`RST38h, LOL`
`12:48.18`	`alterego`	`SpeedEvil: did that this morning`
`12:48.27`	`mece`	`Termana, if by ugly you mean gorgeous, then yeah.`
`12:48.54`	`alterego`	`Heh`
`12:48.54`	`RST38h`	`mece: Never underestimate the power of small but determined groups of corporate managers to protect their turf`
`12:49.01`	`Termana`	`mece, my n900 looks a lot better than that... thing.`
`12:49.07`	`alterego`	`Think I'll continue playing with QtQuick`
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`12:49.56`	`RST38h`	`wonders if he needs an MApplicationPage at all`
`12:50.10`	`RST38h`	`Probably not, based on the UIQ experience`
`12:50.13`	`mece`	`RST38h, still, as far as I can tell you can just write straight up Qt, so that.. I don't even know what to call it, the M stuff, is just for the people that want it.`
`12:50.20`	`GAN900`	`N9 leaked`
`12:50.36`	`RST38h`	`mece: You can write straight gtk+ on Maemo5. Have you ever seen how it looks?`
`12:50.39`	`Stskeeps`	`GAN900: old news`
`12:50.39`	`GAN900`	`reads scrollback.`
`12:50.42`	`Termana`	`I see someone has turned up to the party late`
`12:50.54`	`RST38h`	`GAN: It leaked with S60, didn't it?`
`12:50.54`	`kerio`	`RST38h: how does it look?`
`12:51.07`	`RST38h`	`kerio: like FBReader config dialog.`
`12:51.08`	`mece`	`GAN900, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60666 hah 60666, the processor of the beast :D`
`12:51.18`	`GAN900`	`Too bad about the covers on the board.`
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`12:51.56`	`mece`	`RST38h, hmm, but doesn't Qt respect themes?`
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`12:52.13`	`RST38h`	`OHNO screenshots are Meego!`
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`12:52.29`	`mece`	`RST38h, we have screenshots now?`
`12:52.30`	`RST38h`	`mece: maybe it does, so what?`
`12:52.41`	`RST38h`	`mece: it does not respect 3.5" screens, I am sure`
`12:52.50`	`mece`	`RST38h, hm.`
`12:52.53`	`kerio`	`RST38h: so it looks bad?`
`12:53.11`	`mece`	`RST38h, well Qt apps look ok on N900, so why shouldn't they on MeeGo?`
`12:53.38`	`GAN900`	`Get a good look at the product which absolutely obsoletes your N900s.`
`12:53.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`What product?`
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`12:53.57`	`alterego`	`GAN900: how so? can't even see a micro sd slot ...`
`12:54.28`	`GAN900`	`According to Nokia`
`12:54.32`	`RST38h`	`GAN: We are all awed, thanks`
`12:54.58`	`Termana`	`GAN900, the Gospel as tolded by Nokia?`
`12:55.01`	`Termana`	`told*`
`12:55.02`	`Termana`	`:P`
`12:55.03`	`RST38h`	`mece: Probably because Qt needs customizing even on N900?`
`12:55.05`	`kerio`	`pff, the n900 will always be the best pocket computer ever made`
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`12:56.08`	`BCMM`	`GAN900: which product is this? have they announced the official n900 replacement?`
`12:56.09`	`crashanddie`	`s/n900/n810/`
`12:56.10`	`lcuk`	`kerio, its an iconic device that has enough grunt to do lots and lots, but I am sure there will be others`
`12:56.28`	`kerio`	`IT'S THE BEST LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU`
`12:56.42`	`crashanddie`	`kerio: funny how easy it is to sound like an apple fanboi, eh?`
`12:56.43`	`crashanddie`	`:P`
`12:56.44`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: But N9 isn't just a device! It is a media computer!`
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`12:57.04`	`alterego`	`oooOOOOoooo`
`12:57.17`	`Termana`	`RST38h, a MEDIA computer`
`12:57.20`	`Termana`	`OMGWTFBBQ`
`12:57.22`	`Termana`	`I'm sold now`
`12:57.23`	`RST38h`	`wait`
`12:57.25`	`Termana`	`:P`
`12:57.26`	`RST38h`	`THE media computer`
`12:57.30`	`ieatlint`	`the n9 with a 1ghz arm cpu... only a year after htc did it...`
`12:57.46`	`RST38h`	`More importantly, what is the screen size?`
`12:57.52`	`lcuk`	`its not how many mhz you have, its what you do with them`
`12:58.13`	`Termana`	`Where is everyone trying to pull this 1Ghz from? No specs have been released`
`12:58.19`	`Termana`	`lcuk, ouch, that mega hurtz`
`12:58.24`	`ieatlint`	`lcuk: whichever girl told you that was lying`
`12:58.26`	`kerio`	`Termana: theri... ass?`
`12:58.41`	`crashanddie`	`Termana: "that megahertz?"`
`12:58.49`	`Termana`	`err`
`12:58.56`	`Termana`	`yes`
`12:59.14`	`lcuk`	`ieatlint, :) I have a knack for making the most of available grunt`
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`12:59.34`	`Termana`	`crashanddie, but I thought I would include a space and spell it "hurt" so even the fools would get the joke`
`12:59.36`	`quanttrom`	`Termana: we just assume they will use the OMAP4`
`12:59.39`	`MiXu-`	`Comparing the frequency of the CPUs in phones is silly.`
`13:00.10`	`kerio`	`will the n8 have a programmable led cpu?`
`13:00.25`	`Termana`	`quanttrom, you're joking right? Isn't OMAP4 suppose to be slated for devices NEXT year?`
`13:00.36`	`ieatlint`	`the ram is going to be the bottle neck most of the time`
`13:00.52`	`ieatlint`	`and then not too far beind is probably the gpu`
`13:01.05`	`quanttrom`	`Termana: according to rumours I have heard it was apaprently availble to "select TI partners" even before it was announced`
`13:01.07`	`mece`	`regarding Meego touch, which imo is more interesting than RE-Leaked phones that I can't afford,`
`13:01.11`	`mece`	`"MeeGo Touch, like Qt, is also a cross-platform framework, capable of running wherever Qt does. From the point of view of a developer that wants to create a touch optimized application in the MeeGo Touch style, both Qt and MeeGo Touch are typically directly used; Qt for the application logic and MeeGo Touch for the scene based UI style."`
`13:01.37`	`kerio`	`isn't qt a graphical framework? :/`
`13:01.50`	`BCMM`	`makes more sense than comparing CPUs on non-gaming desktops (which are often almost totally IO-bound)`
`13:02.09`	`BCMM`	`kerio: qt does way more than that`
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`13:02.14`	`kerio`	`BCMM: gaming desktops are GPU-bound`
`13:02.30`	`crashanddie`	`kerio: read what he said, you misunderstood`
`13:02.54`	`MiXu-`	`BCMM: I have a 3,8GHz Pentium 4, so it beats all the Core i7 processors, right?`
`13:03.03`	`MiXu-`	`Because it has more mhz`
`13:03.10`	`ieatlint`	`so meego touch is going to be reimplemented qt widgets with a emphasis for touch compatibility?`
`13:03.14`	`kerio`	`MiXu-: i heard some people have overclocked a PIII to 6ghz`
`13:03.31`	`ieatlint`	`but as the implementation is in the libs, the code is then still regular qt compatible in theory?`
`13:03.46`	`BCMM`	`kerio: it is possible to get a CPU-bound gaming box, for certain games, by using a cheap CPU. It is not easy to get a non-IO-bound-when-doing-real-work desktop without using an SSD`
`13:03.58`	`mece`	`uh oh... "In the future, some of the functionality now provided through MeeGo Touch will migrate to Qt. In that sense, MeeGo Touch can be seen as the bleeding edge of Qt development, pushing the boundaries of next generation UI creation."`
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`13:04.21`	`mece`	`umm`
`13:04.22`	`BCMM`	`mece: so it is a lib with extra widgets, on top of Qt?`
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`13:04.27`	`ieatlint`	`ah..`
`13:04.29`	`mece`	`BCMM, yep`
`13:04.39`	`ieatlint`	`unsurprising, meego touch == qtmobility`
`13:04.56`	`BCMM`	`I foresee a lot of duplicated effort vs. KDElibs`
`13:05.06`	`achipa`	`ieatlint: saywhat ? qtm is totally unrelated`
`13:05.31`	`ieatlint`	`achipa: i'm making jumps here, comparing them at least in principle if not code`
`13:05.43`	`Corsac`	`mece: like some stuff which start as external libs are integrated in GTK+`
`13:06.01`	`mece`	`Corsac, so it seems.`
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`13:06.09`	`BCMM`	`kerio: that involved lN2 or something didn't it?`
`13:06.20`	`achipa`	`ieatlint: qtm has little to nothing to do with UI, it's mostly wrappers around existing local services`
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`13:07.06`	`mece`	`oh.. achipa, regarding that, " In addition to this MeeGo Touch exposes APIs necessary on mobile devices, such as power and memory management, that are not yet covered by either Qt or the Qt Mobility projects."`
`13:07.06`	`ieatlint`	`bleh, qt is such a clusterfuck`
`13:07.27`	`achipa`	`mece: now THAT is not funny`
`13:07.37`	`mece`	`achipa, no that seems just dumb..`
`13:07.40`	`pablo2`	`hi guys, How to delete a user in scratchbox?`
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`13:08.10`	`mece`	`pablo2, userdel?`
`13:08.17`	`mece`	`ok gotta go. tataa.`
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`13:08.45`	`GAN900`	`ieatlint, Snapdragon doesn't count.`
`13:08.47`	`Termana`	`<Jay-CC> there is no effect on lifetime as long as the dynamic power is kept within manufacturer's specs`
`13:08.50`	`Termana`	`Oh lord`
`13:08.54`	`kerio`	`lol`
`13:09.09`	`Termana`	`DJ_Steve-out> Lol you cant voide warrenty by changing software anyway`
`13:09.15`	`Termana`	`It gets better`
`13:09.27`	`BCMM`	`kerio: Qt does include a graphical toolkit, but does a bunch of other things too (largely doing various other things that are otherwise platform-dependant in a cross-platform way) - there are entirely CLI applications written in Qt`
`13:09.47`	`BCMM`	`this is one of the reason that Qt vs. GTK+ flamewars are meaningless`
`13:10.02`	`ieatlint`	`not really`
`13:10.11`	`ieatlint`	`you just group glib and gtk together and flame away`
`13:10.19`	`GAN900`	`ieatlint, Snapdragon to Cortex A8 isn't apples-to-apples.`
`13:10.38`	`ieatlint`	`GAN900, fair enough`
`13:11.57`	`RST38h`	`isn't Snapdragon based on the cortex a8 design?`
`13:12.01`	`RST38h`	`I mean, latest snapdragon?`
`13:12.25`	`crashanddie`	`RST38h: yeah, as much as a bugatti veyron is based on the model T`
`13:12.43`	`Termana`	`Snapdragon has additions and modifications to the Cortex A8 design, including extra instructions`
`13:13.02`	`RST38h`	`ok, so it is based on the cortex a8`
`13:13.29`	`Termana`	`Loosely.`
`13:13.42`	`crashanddie`	`it's an AR<M`
`13:13.43`	`crashanddie`	`ARM`
`13:13.48`	`crashanddie`	`obviously there's inspiration`
`13:14.16`	`RST38h`	`hmm...do you guys understand how this works?`
`13:14.18`	`Termana`	`The figure I've seen thrown around is the Snapdragon in the Nexus One was 10% faster at processing, since thats the kind of figure I think your looking for RST38h`
`13:14.30`	`Termana`	`than an OMAP3430`
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`13:14.35`	`RST38h`	`ARM is a company that owns rights to ARM cores`
`13:14.52`	`ieatlint`	`i understand, wooo`
`13:14.52`	`Termana`	`Wrong.`
`13:15.04`	`flashn`	`N9 using symbian >;/`
`13:15.04`	`RST38h`	`"CortexA8" is their core. Both Quallcom and TI must have licensed this core from ARM to build their SoCs on it.`
`13:15.07`	`Termana`	`ARM is a company that makes reference ARM designs and licenses them out`
`13:15.10`	`ieatlint`	`no, they do, and they licence the technology out to other companies at varying levels`
`13:15.20`	`flashn`	`is nokia ditching meego/maemo?`
`13:15.23`	`ieatlint`	`the highest level allows the company to basically make their own branch of arm`
`13:15.28`	`ieatlint`	`as TI, qualcomm, and others have done`
`13:15.38`	`Termana`	`ieatlint, has the idea`
`13:15.48`	`Termana`	`except I don't think TI has a license to modify the design`
`13:15.48`	`RST38h`	`So, if both Qualcom and TI are based on the same core, they are gong to be pretty similar architecturally AND comparing them based on their clock frequencies is a FAIR GAME`
`13:15.58`	`Termana`	`RST38h, no`
`13:15.59`	`Termana`	`just no`
`13:16.18`	`RST38h`	`no what?`
`13:16.19`	`ieatlint`	`i know someone who works at a company that is licencing arm, etc`
`13:16.31`	`ieatlint`	`ah, ok, maybe ti doesn't, dunno`
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`13:16.44`	`Termana`	`It is not fair game to compare a Snapdragon and an OMAP chip.`
`13:16.45`	`ieatlint`	`i know there are varying levels of licence... don't know too many specifics`
`13:16.50`	`Termana`	`Again, they have been designed differently`
`13:17.02`	`RST38h`	`Termana: Again, why?`
`13:17.02`	`crashanddie`	`isn't that like comparing a mini 1.6 sport, and a peugeot 206 gt that share the same engine, and then comparing tyre pressure?`
`13:17.11`	`Termana`	`The OMAP3430 follows the reference, the Snapdragon does not`
`13:17.12`	`_0x47`	`Mece: it's easy as "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip noopt" dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -uc -us". Figured it after thinking again. :D`
`13:17.31`	`RST38h`	`crashanddie: no,, more like comparing two engines of the same design but different volume`
`13:18.09`	`crashanddie`	`RST38h: same design and different size would probably be produced in the same factories, by the same engineers`
`13:18.17`	`ieatlint`	`so if the snapdragon is a modified cortex a8, one would assume it was modified to improve performance`
`13:18.17`	`Mece`	`_0x47, nice`
`13:18.22`	`ieatlint`	`not to reduce it`
`13:18.30`	`crashanddie`	`ieatlint: erhm...`
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`13:19.07`	`crashanddie`	`ieatlint: the bmw f650gs has the same engine as the f800gs (both have 800cc), yet the f650gs is limited... Not exactly increased performance`
`13:19.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`Or to reduce power consumption, or ...`
`13:19.11`	`RST38h`	`crashanddie: Dunno about peugeout, but the same renault licenses its designs to various parties`
`13:19.21`	`_0x47`	`Mece: well, therefore gdb segfaults on typing "run". Not much better...`
`13:19.28`	`RST38h`	`crashanddie: so, nothing wrong there`
`13:19.36`	`Termana`	`crashanddie, your car analogies don't seem to be helping the situation`
`13:19.41`	`ieatlint`	`hehe`
`13:19.43`	`Termana`	`and I don't understand them so I can't confirm them :P`
`13:19.52`	`crashanddie`	`Termana: nothing would help with that`
`13:19.58`	`ieatlint`	`let's make this more confusing with weirder analogies`
`13:20.03`	`crashanddie`	`Termana: also, nobody can convince RST38h of something he doesn't already believe in`
`13:20.15`	`Termana`	`lol`
`13:20.17`	`RST38h`	`Termana: As far as I see, you cannot even confirm that Qualcom design is significantly different from ARM's reference core`
`13:20.44`	`ieatlint`	`that sounds like a personal failing`
`13:20.48`	`RST38h`	`"Intel is set to acquire venerable security firm McAfee for a whopping $7.7 billion."`
`13:20.54`	`RST38h`	`falls off the sofa.`
`13:20.58`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: what?`
`13:21.07`	`jaska`	`mcbloat`
`13:21.12`	`RST38h`	`Stskeeps: I sense an anti-Intel plot.`
`13:21.46`	`Stskeeps`	`next up: McAfee for MeeGo`
`13:22.17`	`RST38h`	`Stskeeps: you should not say such things aloud`
`13:22.26`	`Stskeeps`	`i have a better one.`
`13:22.37`	`RST38h`	`'cause if they come true, one can always look through the logs ;)`
`13:22.41`	`Termana`	`Windows for ARM?`
`13:22.51`	`RST38h`	`Termana: aka WinCE. Already there.`
`13:23.00`	`Stskeeps`	`McAfee for MeeGo on GMA500 netbook devices, coupled with their recently bought-from-TI cable modem division.`
`13:23.03`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`13:23.04`	`crashanddie`	`RST38h: if they come through, people will be killing themselves rather than sifting through IRC logs`
`13:23.18`	`Termana`	`Stskeeps, my lord, take that back! :P`
`13:24.04`	`ieatlint`	`you people are just sick`
`13:24.12`	`Termana`	`ieatlint, lol`
`13:24.22`	`RST38h`	`McAfee may be the most expensive snake oil peddlers out there`
`13:24.29`	`lcuk`	`ieatlint, nahh I think some extend to twisted also`
`13:24.33`	`crashanddie`	`sets mode +q Stskeeps!@`
`13:24.37`	`RST38h`	`This side of audiophile industry of course`
`13:24.43`	`ieatlint`	`perhaps`
`13:24.44`	`Termana`	`:P`
`13:25.09`	`Termana`	`Someone remind me what the purpose of McAffe on MeeGo would be? Besides to extort money from people who don't know better?`
`13:25.09`	`ieatlint`	`i'm supposed to be documenting code :(`
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`13:25.27`	`lcuk`	`// it does stuff`
`13:25.33`	`Termana`	`New slogan, "scan you thumb drives, so you don't spread viruses!"?`
`13:25.34`	`lcuk`	`// more stuff`
`13:25.35`	`Termana`	`lcuk, lol`
`13:25.43`	`MohammadAG`	`LOL`
`13:26.14`	`ieatlint`	`yes, that'll go over well :)`
`13:26.18`	`lcuk`	`apart from bursting eardrum last night`
`13:26.24`	`lcuk`	`someone has been writing on my notepad`
`13:26.36`	`lcuk`	`"Viva Las Vegas!" no less`
`13:26.38`	`RST38h`	`Termana: Same as everywhere, McAfee products will guard your security, letting you surf the Net safely and soundly`
`13:27.02`	`lcuk`	`just put a condom around n900`
`13:27.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/apps-and-games-to-face-censor-says-alp/story-e6frg996-1225905609780`
`13:27.12`	`kerio`	`bmbnfg = hff + nff + 3 // sums hff, nff and 3 to get bmbnfg`
`13:27.32`	`lcuk`	`notes someone did who was a sailor`
`13:27.32`	`RST38h`	`(albeit a bit slowly, as your web browser will be permanently placed in swap)`
`13:27.53`	`RST38h`	`But, I mean, it is a tiny price to pay for feeling secure, isn't it?`
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`13:28.13`	`ieatlint`	`they should just create a sandbox to run the browser in and be done with it`
`13:28.23`	`Termana`	`OMGWTFBBQ I NEED MCAFFE ON MY UBUNTU INSTALL I THINK`
`13:28.25`	`ieatlint`	`only scan shit leaving the sandbox (downloads, etc)`
`13:28.37`	`Termana`	`AND FIREWALLS`
`13:28.41`	`RST38h`	`nothing should ever leave the sandbox`
`13:28.42`	`Termana`	`AND MORE ANTI-VIRUS`
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`13:29.00`	`RST38h`	`your illegal downloads shall be simulated`
`13:29.03`	`andre__`	`AND ONLY CAPITAL LETTERS, WHICH SUCKS.`
`13:29.13`	`kerio`	`CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL`
`13:29.16`	`kerio`	`BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO STEER`
`13:29.22`	`crashanddie`	`kerio: please don't quote bash.org`
`13:29.28`	`ieatlint`	`lol`
`13:29.34`	`Termana`	`RST38h, or maybe my illegal downloads shall stimulate?`
`13:29.37`	`Termana`	`:D`
`13:29.42`	`RST38h`	`kerio: There is a power button for that, steer it now.`
`13:29.43`	`ieatlint`	`somehow that comment feels like it should be on bash.org`
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`13:31.36`	`lcuk`	`RST38h, does this McAfee buyout impact you in any way (ie will you end up doing something in your intel role?)`
`13:31.50`	`lcuk`	`or are you doing it now :P`
`13:31.53`	`GAN900`	`RST38h, ieatlint faster in some areas, much slower in others.`
`13:32.17`	`GAN900`	`ieatlint, smaller cache and whatnot. Mostly they modified it so they could play on the MHz myth again.`
`13:32.35`	`Termana`	`RST38h works at Intel? :P`
`13:33.10`	`ieatlint`	`if my cordless phone can operate at 2.4ghz, why can't my mobile phone..`
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`13:33.24`	`Termana`	`LOL`
`13:33.32`	`Termana`	`ieatlint, you are joking right? :P`
`13:33.51`	`Termana`	`you are making a joke right*`
`13:33.54`	`ieatlint`	`i'm waiting for a response like "hey, the n900 does 802.11b"`
`13:34.19`	`Termana`	`oh ok`
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`13:34.25`	`Termana`	`hey, the n900 does 802.11b`
`13:34.31`	`Termana`	`ieatlint, how did I do?`
`13:34.32`	`Termana`	`:P`
`13:34.43`	`ieatlint`	`:P`
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`13:36.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`It also does .5PHz`
`13:36.15`	`SpeedEvil`	`(the display)`
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`13:36.30`	`kerio`	`SpeedEvil: also lots of light`
`13:36.37`	`kerio`	`leds n shit`
`13:37.59`	`BCMM`	`yeah, kinda want to make a chart of the EM spectrum with bits the n900 does highlighted`
`13:38.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Sim-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black-Original-Price--125-99_p86837.html`
`13:38.22`	`BCMM`	`dunno what else does quite that many bands, when you consider the IR transmitter and so on`
`13:39.14`	`BCMM`	`SpeedEvil: aww, somebody got honest`
`13:39.40`	`BCMM`	`"n900 style" - last time i looked, they took the view that it was an "n900", just not a "nokia n900"`
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`13:40.24`	`kerio`	`i don't get why those KIRF products actually exist`
`13:40.37`	`kerio`	`i'd rather buy a nokia c2 once it's out than that crap`
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`13:40.53`	`BCMM`	`fake iphones i can understand, but the n900 is more of a geeky toy than a status symbol`
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`13:41.20`	`MohammadAG`	`actually it's a status symbol where I'm from`
`13:41.29`	`BCMM`	`MohammadAG: where is that?`
`13:41.33`	`MohammadAG`	`Israel`
`13:41.42`	`kerio`	`yeah but a nokia c2 is way better than that`
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`13:42.12`	`BCMM`	`hmm`
`13:42.15`	`MohammadAG`	`when someone gets an N900 and doesn't know what reboot means... well...`
`13:42.26`	`BCMM`	`presumably, those clones actually are illegal`
`13:42.27`	`SpeedEvil`	`The above came up as a ad on /.`
`13:42.48`	`MohammadAG`	`who wouldn't mind reflashing to PR1.3 when it's out?`
`13:42.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`With just the pic, and "80 quid"`
`13:42.57`	`BCMM`	`i mean, the keyboard for example looks like an exact copy - what font does the keyboard use? is it licensed from somebody?`
`13:43.20`	`MohammadAG`	`need a community SSU tester`
`13:43.58`	`kerio`	`MohammadAG: me`
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`13:44.05`	`kerio`	`once i get my microusb port fixed`
`13:44.12`	`MohammadAG`	`...`
`13:44.39`	`BCMM`	`what does SSU stand for?`
`13:44.47`	`kerio`	`MohammadAG: :D`
`13:45.01`	`MohammadAG`	`Seamless Software Update, basically, new packages from gitorious`
`13:45.55`	`ieatlint`	`there's going to be a pr1.3?`
`13:46.06`	`ieatlint`	`also, that's awesome there's a knock-off n900`
`13:46.31`	`BCMM`	`MohammadAG: a status symbol for looking like an expensive phone; or people have actually heard of it?`
`13:46.49`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: Why don't you setup a home project on the obs, so you can easily push git updates and get them built against PR1.2?`
`13:46.55`	`MohammadAG`	`cause it's actually expensive, and people know of it`
`13:47.05`	`MohammadAG`	`X-Fade, I do some minor fixes of my own`
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`13:47.40`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: Yeah, well that is not the issue, it is the ease of having it built and distributed.`
`13:47.42`	`BCMM`	`MohammadAG: but why don't those people get iphones? does that make it too obvious that it's just a fashion thing?`
`13:47.58`	`MohammadAG`	`BCMM, well, the iPhone is a retarded piece of shit in IL`
`13:48.06`	`MohammadAG`	`it didn't succeed`
`13:48.09`	`BCMM`	`well, it's that anywhere`
`13:48.12`	`BCMM`	`oh, awesome`
`13:48.13`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: Once you have a repo there, we can create an extras which links against your ssu version. So every app is compatible.`
`13:48.20`	`MohammadAG`	`first it costs about 2000, for some reason`
`13:48.27`	`MohammadAG`	`(2000 bucks, over time)`
`13:48.43`	`MohammadAG`	`X-Fade, hmm, lemme switch to PM`
`13:49.26`	`Funnyfacemob`	`does anyone know of some decent rechargeable emergency charger for the N900?`
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`13:50.05`	`Funnyfacemob`	`I need something proper, not some chinese junk without any form of regulation etc etc`
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`13:50.34`	`kerio`	`Funnyfacemob: i have a chinese one that stops once the battery is full`
`13:50.36`	`kerio`	`so meh`
`13:51.05`	`BCMM`	`Funnyfacemob: nokia makes one`
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`13:51.42`	`kerio`	`BCMM: does the nokia one also have a usb port?`
`13:51.48`	`BCMM`	`dunno`
`13:52.09`	`BCMM`	`the DC-11 - it's on the third page of the paper manual`
`13:52.11`	`Funnyfacemob`	`hehe well it doesn't seem like my N900 makes it through a whole day at college`
`13:52.26`	`BCMM`	`hmmm`
`13:52.37`	`BCMM`	`try dimming the screen and being on GPRS less`
`13:52.40`	`Funnyfacemob`	`so I was thinking of having a charger in my bags`
`13:53.01`	`kerio`	`Funnyfacemob: get more batteries!`
`13:53.02`	`BCMM`	`Funnyfacemob: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/extra-power-dc-11`
`13:53.10`	`Funnyfacemob`	`yeah might want to dimm the display some too`
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`13:53.17`	`Funnyfacemob`	`thanks`
`13:53.22`	`kerio`	`oh wait, that kind of thing`
`13:53.31`	`kerio`	`get an external charger and loads of BL5Js`
`13:53.35`	`BCMM`	`in my experience it definitely makes it through the day idle, and will tend to make it through a day with occasional use`
`13:54.09`	`BCMM`	`gets flat really fast if you use it as a car satnav: screen on, gprs on, GPS on, etc.`
`13:54.23`	`Funnyfacemob`	`anyway it has been nagging me with low battery warnings for a long time, maybe the battery gauge is incorrect after I pulled the battery the other day`
`13:54.24`	`kerio`	`car satnav = charger`
`13:54.42`	`BCMM`	`yeah, i need a car charger that doesn't suck`
`13:55.05`	`BCMM`	`i got a generic o2-branded microUSB cig lighter charger`
`13:55.11`	`BCMM`	`and it just comes loose all the time`
`13:55.23`	`BCMM`	`also, the phone doesn't seem to notice when this happens`
`13:55.23`	`kerio`	`like yer mom`
`13:55.25`	`kerio`	`hides`
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`13:55.43`	`BCMM`	`throws a crap charger at kerio`
`13:55.51`	`MohammadAG`	`kicks kerio`
`13:55.57`	`MohammadAG`	`now if only I could do that :P`
`13:56.00`	`kerio`	`already got one!`
`13:56.13`	`BCMM`	`as in, it will say it's charging right up until it powers off`
`13:56.59`	`BCMM`	`and it works itself out constantly - worse if i touch the phone, but still happens just from the car's motion`
`13:57.08`	`kerio`	`also my cheap ripoff chinese battery doesn't work anymore`
`13:57.17`	`BCMM`	`so, anyone have a cig lighter charger that doesn't suck?`
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`13:57.42`	`luke-jr`	`BCMM: just get an inverter?`
`13:57.47`	`kerio`	`that means i have two hours of downtime each day!`
`13:57.50`	`kerio`	`._.`
`13:58.04`	`BCMM`	`luke-jr: infuriatingly inefficient solution...`
`13:58.15`	`luke-jr`	`BCMM: but it works :P`
`13:58.19`	`BCMM`	`luke-jr: also, it'll probably have a terrible cig socket plug on it too`
`13:58.23`	`BCMM`	`:(`
`13:58.53`	`luke-jr`	`I go inverter -> N810 adapter -> N810-to-N900 adapter`
`13:58.53`	`BCMM`	`i know that part of the problem is that it's a stupid connector that never works properly, but i've occasionally seen one that actually stays in`
`13:58.55`	`luke-jr`	`:p`
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`14:00.32`	`kerio`	`could it be that the meter is crappy?`
`14:00.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`meter?`
`14:00.54`	`kerio`	`battery meter on n900`
`14:00.58`	`kerio`	`for my cheap chinese battery`
`14:01.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`ah`
`14:01.11`	`BCMM`	`what about the two official nokia car chargers? do they stay in the socket?`
`14:01.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`The battery meter hardware is fine`
`14:01.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`The software is basically buggered.`
`14:01.34`	`BCMM`	`(DC-6 and DC-10)`
`14:01.37`	`kerio`	`so if i get the low battery alert the battery is low?`
`14:01.45`	`X-Fade`	`cheap chinese batterries often have a lot less capacity and drop to low voltage pretty quickly.`
`14:02.00`	`kerio`	`X-Fade: yeah but it's like if the charger i have doesn't charge`
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`14:02.14`	`kerio`	`nokia's official bl5j charges fine`
`14:02.33`	`kerio`	`and since the external charger's led doesn't work, i don't know if it's actually charging`
`14:02.33`	`X-Fade`	`kerio: Can be, probably no resistor on the 3rd pin.`
`14:02.34`	`kerio`	`so... yeah`
`14:02.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`kerio - lshal\|grep age.cu`
`14:02.45`	`kerio`	`X-Fade: it worked fine for some time`
`14:03.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`With no resistor on 3rd pin, n900 will not boot`
`14:03.05`	`kerio`	`it does`
`14:03.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`It doesn't.`
`14:03.18`	`kerio`	`i mean, it does boot`
`14:03.20`	`SpeedEvil`	`ah`
`14:03.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`The above command shows the current battery voltage.`
`14:04.07`	`kerio`	`will try that once i put the cheap battery in again`
`14:04.38`	`kerio`	`oh well, i guess i should just be happy that the cheap charger works`
`14:04.55`	`kerio`	`but i do want to get a proper charger and some real nokia batteries`
`14:05.26`	`kerio`	`no nokia care around here ._.`
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`14:08.31`	`timeless`	`x-fade/jaffa/gan9: ping`
`14:08.47`	`crashanddie`	`timeless: what's that secret squirrel business?`
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`14:09.11`	`timeless`	`i have a guy looking for an icon set for "Diablo", "Fremantle" and "Harmattan"`
`14:09.34`	`crashanddie`	`to represent the different OSs?`
`14:09.41`	`kerio`	`wtf is a fremantle`
`14:09.44`	`kerio`	`or a harmattan`
`14:09.47`	`timeless`	`i.e. 3icons, one icon that could used to represent one of those, etc`
`14:09.54`	`crashanddie`	`kerio: fremantle is maemo 5, harmattan is maemo 6`
`14:10.08`	`kerio`	`crashanddie: duh`
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`14:10.09`	`kerio`	`i know`
`14:10.10`	`crashanddie`	`kerio: they're winds, IIRC`
`14:10.21`	`kerio`	`oh i see`
`14:10.26`	`kerio`	`sahara-guinea`
`14:10.28`	`Jaffa`	`timeless: pong`
`14:10.54`	`Jaffa`	`timeless: N810 icon, N900 icon and an N9 icon? ;-)`
`14:11.03`	`Jaffa`	`timeless: We know what it looks like now, after all`
`14:11.06`	`kerio`	`n810, n900 and a ghost`
`14:11.07`	`timeless`	`kerio: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=fremantle+harmattan+diablo+naming`
`14:11.20`	`kerio`	`timeless: ok, i deserved it`
`14:11.23`	`GAN900`	`Jaffa, ha.`
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`14:11.52`	`timeless`	`jaffa: i was hoping for software stack icons`
`14:11.55`	`GAN900`	`There's one benefit to not shipping major updates to your existing customers.`
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`14:12.59`	`lcuk`	`timeless, software stack icons?`
`14:13.02`	`kerio`	`timeless: a screenshot of the diablo ui, a screenshot of the fremantle ui and a screenshot of the... meego handset ui?`
`14:13.08`	`GAN900`	`Such a thing doesn't exist.`
`14:13.11`	`Jaffa`	`timeless: They're all winds; you might be able to do something which went off the main layouts, i.e. a rotated L (90 deg clockwise) for diablo; a sideways i (90deg counter-clockwise) for fremantle and a separated bar of horizontal bars for the harmattan/meego device.`
`14:13.25`	`frals`	`s/harmattan/meegattan/!`
`14:13.29`	`Termana`	`heh look at this:`
`14:13.31`	`Termana`	`http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/08/148043562-b69d76292dc9b5eeaa00e860817ee67d.4c6d1cc0-full.jpg`
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`14:13.55`	`kerio`	`i don't see a "tab" there`
`14:14.01`	`famicom`	`Hi, quick question regarding the maemo platform`
`14:14.02`	`MohammadAG`	`lol`
`14:14.02`	`kerio`	`and ctrl is definetely in the wrong, wrong, WRONG place`
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`14:14.13`	`MohammadAG`	`kerio, shift too`
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`14:14.15`	`lcuk`	`yo, we know you like computers so we put a computer inside your computer`
`14:14.18`	`famicom`	`Right now i'm using a windows mobile smartphone, which uses outlook as a PIM system`
`14:14.25`	`Termana`	`lcuk, :D`
`14:14.25`	`MohammadAG`	`lcuk, xD`
`14:14.43`	`famicom`	`is there something similar for maemo, without the mail client part, where i can edit things on my desktop and sync it to my pda/phone`
`14:14.46`	`kerio`	`lcuk: s/yo, we know/yo dawg i herd/`
`14:14.55`	`MohammadAG`	`lol`
`14:15.00`	`kerio`	`s/$/ so you can compute while you compute/`
`14:15.03`	`lcuk`	`thanks kerio I am too old to know the syntax`
`14:15.12`	`kerio`	`yw`
`14:15.35`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: I tried that line last time I was hitting on a girl`
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`14:15.55`	`kerio`	`it's "Yo dawg i heard you like $thing so we put a $thing in your $thing so you can $verb while you $verb"`
`14:15.59`	`famicom`	`gehehehe`
`14:16.26`	`lcuk`	`kerio, artistic license`
`14:16.34`	`famicom`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:16.34`	`famicom`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:16.34`	`famicom`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:17.07`	`lcuk`	`ok, engough geeking it up and explaining the joke, everyone got my incorrect version anyway`
`14:17.19`	`Lynoure`	`No wonder the teens are so annoying, they are all herd animals.`
`14:17.22`	`famicom`	`lcuk: welcome to the internet`
`14:17.37`	`MohammadAG`	`Lynoure, you're racist towards teens, I hate that :P`
`14:17.43`	`crashanddie`	`Lynoure: at least they're not droving`
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`14:18.03`	`Lynoure`	`MohammadAG: I think I'm dishonoring the cows, actually =)`
`14:18.16`	`crashanddie`	`MohammadAG: you're hateful towards Lynoure, I don't like that.`
`14:18.26`	`famicom`	`where people feel compelled to comment yet can't contribute in a constructive matter instead attack the way the message was packaged, rather than the message itself`
`14:18.31`	`MohammadAG`	`crashanddie, /part helps :P`
`14:18.38`	`crashanddie`	`so does /kick`
`14:18.51`	`famicom`	`what about /gline :P`
`14:18.56`	`MohammadAG`	`your call, /part = /kick crashanddie`
`14:19.04`	`MohammadAG`	`famicom, if only I could do that on this server`
`14:19.11`	`Lynoure`	`crashanddie: did not quite come across as hateful.... and if they are hating, I must be rolling.`
`14:19.15`	`timeless`	`fwiw, the context is fairly small`
`14:19.18`	`famicom`	`BAN EVERYTHING!!!!!111!!!SHIFTONE`
`14:19.26`	`timeless`	`so relying on large pictures and scaling down doesn't naturally work wel`
`14:19.28`	`timeless`	`l`
`14:19.43`	`crashanddie`	`timeless: that's what she said`
`14:19.54`	`GAN900`	`timeless, well, no icons exist, so.`
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`14:20.53`	`Lynoure`	`timeless: what's their use for the icons? Why not just maemo logo and number?`
`14:21.33`	`crashanddie`	`~kick MohammadAG`
`14:21.34`	`infobot`	`ACTION kicks MohammadAG`
`14:22.12`	`timeless`	`there is a team working on the MAD IDE`
`14:22.37`	`timeless`	`the ide lets you develop apps using Eclipse and deploy them directly`
`14:22.40`	`timeless`	`as well as debug/etc`
`14:22.55`	`timeless`	`you need a way to recognize the scratchbox you're using and the target`
`14:23.05`	`timeless`	`using M4.1 is kinda hard`
`14:23.16`	`timeless`	`i mean, it isn't impossible in an icon (16x16)`
`14:23.34`	`timeless`	`but it definitely isn't easy either`
`14:23.52`	`Lynoure`	`timeless: how about just D F H?`
`14:24.27`	`Lynoure`	`somewhat recognizable, certainly small. Beats artsy abstract symbolism for this kind of use, IMO`
`14:24.48`	`Lynoure`	`Scales well for the versions to come.`
`14:24.55`	`timeless`	`maybe...`
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`14:29.24`	`GAN900`	`Lynoure, no Maemo logo, either.`
`14:29.50`	`Lynoure`	`GAN900: that does not scale well past Harmattan (and even a bit misplaced there)`
`14:30.20`	`kerio`	`dfh?`
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`14:30.36`	`Lynoure`	`Anyway, I strongly think icons that cause the user to wonder 'what is that, never seen that" are not the right kind :)`
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`14:30.47`	`Lynoure`	`kerio: diablo, fremantle, harmattan`
`14:30.50`	`kerio`	`oh`
`14:31.08`	`kerio`	`meh, they're winds`
`14:31.16`	`kerio`	`1x1 png with full alpha`
`14:31.25`	`crashanddie`	`prays for Maemo 7 to be nicknamed "Fart"`
`14:31.30`	`lcuk`	`how would you show speed lines?`
`14:31.40`	`Lynoure`	`crashanddie: F is gone, so not likely =)`
`14:31.41`	`lcuk`	`hehe`
`14:31.53`	`jacekowski`	`crashanddie: do you know that fart in poland means luck`
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`14:32.02`	`jacekowski`	`s/poland/polish/`
`14:32.12`	`crashanddie`	`i did not`
`14:32.13`	`MohammadAG`	`good fart`
`14:32.17`	`lcuk`	`is not a polish fart`
`14:32.24`	`MohammadAG`	`LOL`
`14:32.37`	`MohammadAG`	`wonders what lcuk means`
`14:32.48`	`crashanddie`	`go damn, you made me chuckle in a meeting`
`14:32.50`	`crashanddie`	`god**`
`14:32.53`	`jacekowski`	`lcuk`
`14:32.59`	`crashanddie`	`MohammadAG: "liquid uk"`
`14:33.00`	`jacekowski`	`s/l/f/`
`14:33.04`	`lcuk`	`MohammadAG, liquidcoooled from the uk :)`
`14:33.12`	`jacekowski`	`s/cu/uc/`
`14:33.13`	`crashanddie`	`close`
`14:33.14`	`lcuk`	`was never meant to be a real nick`
`14:33.24`	`jacekowski`	`woot?`
`14:34.06`	`MohammadAG`	`lol lcuk`
`14:34.48`	`liquidcoooled_uk`	`too long`
`14:34.56`	`lcuk`	`better`
`14:35.22`	`MohammadAG`	`indeed`
`14:36.10`	`lcuk`	`hmm o_O i have a flickr account`
`14:36.22`	`crashanddie`	`yup`
`14:36.24`	`lcuk`	`is that from my yahoo stuff?`
`14:36.29`	`crashanddie`	`yup`
`14:36.30`	`lcuk`	`auto setup, because I never joined`
`14:37.55`	`MohammadAG`	`yup`
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`14:40.19`	`ieatlint`	`yup`
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`14:48.16`	`johnsq`	`Hi`
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`14:48.56`	`crashanddie`	`sup dawg, i herd you liked square sex, so I put a square in your john, so now johnsq joined #maemo`
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`14:49.12`	`mortini`	`heh.`
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`14:57.15`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: ping`
`14:57.36`	`MohammadAG`	`Pong`
`14:58.18`	`kerio`	`hey, the cheap chinese battery actually charged this time`
`14:58.19`	`kerio`	`wheeeeeee`
`14:59.07`	`kerio`	`SpeedEvil: 3761, cheap battery`
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`14:59.11`	`MohammadAG`	`Jaffa, pong`
`14:59.13`	`kerio`	`meter says it's half charged`
`15:00.48`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: About patched hildon-desktop and your comments about Maemo 5 Community SSU. If you're interested, we could talk to Nokia about getting the handover in PR1.3`
`15:00.56`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: So that enabling it was easier`
`15:01.16`	`X-Fade`	`Enabling is just a click on .install anyway.`
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`15:11.02`	`lcuk`	`Jaffa, MohammadAG, X-Fade - we have to be sure that any SSU or alternative non official update would be careful not to break peoples devices if/when another official update comes out beyond`
`15:11.30`	`MohammadAG`	`why isn't there group PM on irc...`
`15:11.38`	`X-Fade`	`lcuk: It will always do that.`
`15:11.39`	`lcuk`	`you are doing it now`
`15:11.43`	`lcuk`	`every message is group pm`
`15:11.43`	`lcuk`	`:P`
`15:12.00`	`MohammadAG`	`X-Fade, why?`
`15:12.14`	`lcuk`	`X-Fade, then we have to look at mechanisms to not do that.`
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`15:12.38`	`MohammadAG`	`wait, so, even if we update the metapackage, it breaks updates?`
`15:12.52`	`MohammadAG`	`I'm not forcing a package removal, the mp-fremantle-generic-pr package gets updated`
`15:12.59`	`lcuk`	`because if this sort of SSU blocks an important update then its not good`
`15:13.15`	`MohammadAG`	`(even the Ovi Store doesn't break)`
`15:13.56`	`alterego`	`Need a good filem`
`15:14.00`	`alterego`	`science fiction`
`15:14.02`	`alterego`	`Any ideas? :)`
`15:14.05`	`MohammadAG`	`inception`
`15:14.16`	`Termana`	`Repackage updates as an update to the SSU package?`
`15:14.17`	`alterego`	`scene it`
`15:14.24`	`MohammadAG`	`seen*`
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`15:14.29`	`MohammadAG`	`Termana, yes`
`15:15.33`	`lcuk`	`hmm`
`15:15.41`	`alterego`	`MohammadAG: scene it, it's a DVD game my family play at Christmas ..`
`15:15.54`	`alterego`	`It's a play on wurds!`
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`15:17.16`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: I don't think we should replace the existing, but conflict with it.`
`15:17.23`	`wazd`	`o/ people`
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`15:17.34`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: It is not an official update, people should just flash to revert.`
`15:17.46`	`wazd`	`NokBook Pro ftw :P`
`15:18.08`	`MohammadAG`	`X-Fade, or update from non official to official`
`15:18.14`	`MohammadAG`	`that was my original goal with this`
`15:18.21`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: And you should only run a community SSU if you know the risks anyway.`
`15:19.04`	`X-Fade`	`With updated SSU also comes an updated sdk, so if you update anything which breaks an api, you need to care about the apps too.`
`15:19.28`	`MohammadAG`	`packages on the repo at the moment won't break it`
`15:19.54`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: No, but if you really want to go for it that is bound to happen :)`
`15:21.59`	`MohammadAG`	`hmm`
`15:22.18`	`MohammadAG`	`X-Fade, well, most packages fixed are closed source`
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`15:23.01`	`X-Fade`	`MohammadAG: It all depends on what the goals are.`
`15:23.20`	`X-Fade`	`If you only want to do a few simple fixes, the it is not that hard.`
`15:23.34`	`MohammadAG`	`update packages in the same way debian/ubuntu, without breaking the metapackage`
`15:24.35`	`achipa`	`X-Fade: silly q - any way we could track kisstester usage, as in how much feedback are we getting through it ? I can attach a sig at the bottom, but for plain Y votes ?`
`15:25.24`	`GAN900`	`lcuk, good joke.`
`15:25.42`	`GAN900`	`lcuk, one to fix that Flash vulnerability, maybe? :rolleyes:`
`15:26.39`	`lcuk`	`maybe an official one to update new improved community version of hildon - if real benefits are shown, why wouldn't it happen :)`
`15:27.10`	`lcuk`	`and GAN900 maybe it would`
`15:27.36`	`GAN900`	`Haha`
`15:27.37`	`RST38h`	`stretches`
`15:27.42`	`RST38h`	`Sooooooo, maemopunks...`
`15:27.42`	`lcuk`	`if Adobe came and said theres a flash 10.1 update that we can put on, the best mechanism to update it would be an official one`
`15:27.57`	`lcuk`	`EHLO again RST38h`
`15:28.25`	`RST38h`	`Adobe won't come to you, lcuk, unless you are managing a $100m+ company`
`15:28.25`	`GAN900`	`If Nokia can't be assed to pay to push any more official ones, why would they do the integration and certification testing for unofficial ones? :)`
`15:28.29`	`RST38h`	`They simply won't bother`
`15:28.43`	`lcuk`	`sigh`
`15:29.32`	`RST38h`	`Forget that Flash shit already, who needs it...`
`15:29.43`	`lcuk`	`now that I agree with :)`
`15:29.58`	`lcuk`	`but others still go on about it`
`15:30.18`	`RST38h`	`GAN900, you lamented the lack of disassembled pics of that N9 thing? Here they are: http://maemos.ru/2010/08/19/nokia-n9-meego-4/#more-6189`
`15:30.43`	`RST38h`	`lcuk: People went on about Java for years, who uses it now?`
`15:30.50`	`RST38h`	`Same with MMS`
`15:30.53`	`Jaffa`	`achipa: Use a specific user agent, so X-Fade can grep the logs?`
`15:31.35`	`lcuk`	`RST38h, fMMS is one of the highest downloaded apps on the n900`
`15:31.54`	`RST38h`	`still, I have never seen anyone use it`
`15:32.06`	`lcuk`	`thats because most MMSs are private`
`15:32.13`	`achipa`	`Jaffa: hm, right, though if you go that route you can say it's already that way - I don't think there are other clients leaving python urllib agent strings :)`
`15:32.24`	`RST38h`	`Back cover says "B2" prototype`
`15:33.18`	`RST38h`	`And, as it runs vanilla Meego (rather than Harmattan), it may still be a Symbian device after all`
`15:33.34`	`Stskeeps`	`that's not vanilla meego, theme's different`
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`15:33.54`	`RST38h`	`Stskeeps: yea, bg is different`
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`15:35.32`	`Termana`	`RST38h, ACTUALLY, there are over 70000 mobile apps written in Java at the very least`
`15:35.45`	`Termana`	`Android is all over java`
`15:35.53`	`Termana`	`Businesses still use java`
`15:36.16`	`Termana`	`Thankfully not a lot sites uses java applets anymore AFAIK`
`15:36.20`	`Termana`	`use*`
`15:36.33`	`Termana`	`lot of*`
`15:36.35`	`Venemo`	`MohammadAG: ping`
`15:36.45`	`RST38h`	`Termana: Thankfully, less and less business use Java and I sincerely hope Oracle will put an end to this practice`
`15:37.06`	`Termana`	`RST38h, would you rather them use .NET?`
`15:37.07`	`Termana`	`LOL`
`15:37.27`	`RST38h`	`Yes as a matter of fact`
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`15:37.45`	`Venemo`	`Termana, RST38h: OMG, am I just witnessing a .NET vs Java debate in a Linux community?`
`15:37.54`	`RST38h`	`Because in its niche (Windoze scripting language, VB replacement) .NET is surprisingly useful`
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`15:38.20`	`Termana`	`Venemo, where have I seen that kind of debate in the Linux community before.... seems dajavu.... :P`
`15:38.22`	`RST38h`	`And MS is not trying to force it down our collective throat outside of its little cesspool`
`15:38.38`	`Venemo`	`Actually, .NET is superior to Java`
`15:39.03`	`Venemo`	`being a .NET developer, I couldn't have any other opinion ;)`
`15:39.06`	`RST38h`	`oh well`
`15:39.22`	`RST38h`	`replaces Venemo with a really small PERL script and goes after his business`
`15:39.29`	`Venemo`	`Termana: I dunno, what do you mean?`
`15:40.03`	`Venemo`	`~burn RST38h`
`15:40.04`	`infobot`	`ACTION pours gasoline all over RST38h, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze`
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`15:40.17`	`Termana`	`Venemo, I don't know, must be imagining things. There has never been anything against .NET from the linux community`
`15:40.19`	`Termana`	`:P`
`15:40.57`	`alterego`	`Termana: well, not entirely true, stallman hates it and his followers.`
`15:41.08`	`Termana`	`alterego.....`
`15:41.11`	`alterego`	`Stallman is like the anti-christ to steve jobs :D`
`15:41.32`	`Termana`	`Do I need to add sarcasm tags or something to make it a little clearer for you alterego? :P`
`15:41.49`	`Venemo`	`Termana: huh. I almost got lynched by the people in #fedora after I mentioned that while I enjoy trying Linux out, I can't use it for work as I'm a .NET developer`
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`15:42.06`	`RST38h`	`nice one`
`15:42.07`	`alterego`	`Heh`
`15:42.32`	`Termana`	`Why so serious?`
`15:42.34`	`RST38h`	`was once told that he does not know shit about Linux, Unix, or computers in general`
`15:42.35`	`Termana`	`:D`
`15:43.01`	`RST38h`	`That is when I came to #linux and asked why I need full Linux kernel sources just to compile HelloWorld.c`
`15:43.02`	`Venemo`	`alterego: Stallman hates anything whose name doesn't begin with "G"`
`15:43.04`	`mortini`	`doesn't. wtf are these square clicky things in front of me with letters on them?`
`15:43.28`	`Venemo`	`mortini: lol :D`
`15:43.30`	`alterego`	`I quite liked .NET development.`
`15:43.38`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`RST38h, I resemble that remark`
`15:43.43`	`alterego`	`I had to do it at my last job`
`15:43.47`	`RST38h`	`(and that is AFTER I had to manually restore MBR damaged by SuSe fdisk utility)`
`15:43.49`	`alterego`	`But I did quite a lot at my last job`
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`15:43.58`	`Termana`	`CutMeOwnThroat, I think you're using the wrong word`
`15:44.07`	`Venemo`	`well, for web development, .NET is vastly superior to anything else in terms of productivity`
`15:44.16`	`RST38h`	`Venemo: PERL.`
`15:44.25`	`Venemo`	`for desktop development, Qt is getting close`
`15:44.33`	`RST38h`	`Venemo: Whatever you come up with, PERL is vastly superior to it in terms of productivity.`
`15:44.45`	`RST38h`	`(let us not dwell on what PERL is also superior in ;))`
`15:44.45`	`Termana`	`CutMeOwnThroat, The saying is "I resent that remark", unless you really did mean resemble as in, you would say something like that`
`15:44.51`	`mortini`	`use CGI;`
`15:44.54`	`Venemo`	`RST38h: Well, I haven't used PERL yet, so I can't comment on that`
`15:44.54`	`mortini`	`yeah, mod_perl is great.`
`15:44.56`	`mortini`	`pukes.`
`15:45.27`	`Venemo`	`a little bit on topic:`
`15:45.33`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Termana, I meant he was using "throat" and highlighted me! So I, literally, resemble that remark :)`
`15:45.39`	`Venemo`	`have you tried MohammadAG's latest Hildon-Desktop fix?`
`15:45.42`	`Venemo`	`http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599`
`15:45.49`	`Termana`	`CutMeOwnThroat, heh :P`
`15:45.54`	`Venemo`	`it removes the famous "call glitch" from PR 1.2`
`15:46.17`	`RST38h`	`Venemo: I would prefer an official fix from nokia`
`15:46.22`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Termana, I also resent being randomly highlighted but am too polite to sayit that way`
`15:46.34`	`Venemo`	`RST38h: he "only" compiled the official fixes from Nokia :)`
`15:46.45`	`Termana`	`It's so famous, I didn't even know about it.`
`15:46.53`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Stop trolling, Java is the number one language for big proper business apps`
`15:46.54`	`Termana`	`Then again, I don't use calls/sms on my n900 :P`
`15:47.17`	`Venemo`	`Termana: btw, I also almost got lynched when I told people in #konversation that I use their app on a Gnome desktop`
`15:47.26`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: yea, right`
`15:47.30`	`alterego`	`Venemo: hah`
`15:47.41`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: So, how often do you reboot your Java app server? ;)`
`15:47.47`	`Termana`	`CutMeOwnThroat, :D remove Throat from your highlight list? Or use a client that doesn't highlight you on partial uses of your nickname.`
`15:47.48`	`Venemo`	`Jaffa: no, C# is`
`15:47.58`	`Venemo`	`Jaffa: or C++...`
`15:48.04`	`Termana`	`Jaffa, its ok. RST38h has been trolling all night :P`
`15:48.33`	`Venemo`	`alterego: how are you progressing with your app?`
`15:49.55`	`alterego`	`Venemo: not bad, though I've not realy done much developing over the past couple of weeks, been mainly looking at Qt Quick and other things`
`15:50.22`	`Jaffa`	`Venemo: Given most enterprise apps are web based, C++ doesn't figure. And C# is nowhere near Java's usage on a global scale`
`15:50.26`	`Jaffa`	`Termana: Indeed.`
`15:50.56`	`RST38h`	`wonders if Google uses Java for all its web based apps`
`15:51.00`	`Venemo`	`Jaffa: I can't argue with you, but I still prefer C#`
`15:51.08`	`lcuk`	`http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7ehthZC631qzpwi0o1_500.jpg :D`
`15:52.06`	`RST38h`	`Oh well, time to go and suffer a bit`
`15:53.12`	`Termana`	`lcuk, :P`
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`15:54.05`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: A lot of them, yes. It's where Google Web Toolkit came out of (GWT)`
`15:54.32`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: An almost beautiful hack in terms of blurring lines between server & client (not sure I'd ever use it for one of my apps, but it's nice engineering)`
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`15:55.53`	`mreggen`	`Is n900 help questions considered spam here?`
`15:56.10`	`timeless`	`no`
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`15:56.34`	`SpeedEvil`	`Depends on the question, but generally not.`
`15:56.36`	`mreggen`	`Ok. Im getting the "internal error. application "conversations" closed" error that some people seem to be getting`
`15:56.38`	`pupnik`	`what is your verdict on the 'n9' keyboard?>`
`15:56.48`	`alterego`	`only asking to ask questions :)`
`15:56.49`	`mreggen`	`the forum is kind of light on help, I've found some threads`
`15:56.52`	`pupnik`	`http://nokiasaga.com/nokia-n9-leaked-in-wild-hq-pics-video`
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`15:57.01`	`Noma`	`pupnik: 4 rows = win`
`15:57.05`	`mreggen`	`Im removing all the converstaions plugins I can find`
`15:57.11`	`mreggen`	`I have no Titan kernel installed`
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`15:57.48`	`mreggen`	`alterego: Yes, I know thats annoying, I was just wondering if this was more of a developer chan and if it were an speciality help channel :P`
`15:58.00`	`timeless`	`mreggen: i think there's a crash-reporter app`
`15:58.05`	`timeless`	`you could install that and send a report`
`15:58.22`	`mreggen`	`timeless: Ok.`
`15:58.24`	`MohammadAG51`	`my thoughts on the N9`
`15:58.30`	`MohammadAG51`	`keyboard space key location sucks`
`15:58.35`	`mreggen`	`The thing is it crashes when i wirte > 3 words in any application`
`15:58.41`	`mreggen`	`so the phone is completely useless`
`15:59.35`	`timeless`	`MohammadAG51: do you like the n900's space key?`
`15:59.42`	`MohammadAG51`	`yes`
`15:59.55`	`MohammadAG51`	`i like the N900's kb`
`16:00.03`	`MohammadAG51`	`58WPM on a mobile`
`16:00.32`	`CrusKC`	`I agree. i'd pick n900's kb over N9 anytime`
`16:00.35`	`CrusKC`	`srry to jump in like this :p`
`16:00.54`	`MohammadAG51`	`plus the shift, fn and ctrl keys on the N9 are poorly placed`
`16:01.26`	`timeless`	`sorry, i'm only interested in the n810 and the n900 keyboards :)`
`16:01.31`	`MohammadAG51`	`liked the N97's kb too, but that one had missing symbols on the main layout`
`16:01.42`	`CrusKC`	`doing a ctrl+shift +letter isn't completely smooth either`
`16:01.46`	`CrusKC`	`but it works`
`16:01.47`	`MohammadAG51`	`you had to press the blue key for . and , i think`
`16:01.50`	`MohammadAG51`	`or one of them`
`16:02.13`	`wazd`	`RST38h: o/`
`16:02.32`	`CrusKC`	`I don't know if this is the right channel for this: but I have a quesion regarding the youtube apps for the n900`
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`16:04.02`	`CrusKC`	`like zoutube or mYTube: since pr 1.2 they just don't seem to work as well anymore. Doesn't realy play any vids when u tap em, but you can search for em just fine. Anyone else experienced this?`
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`16:04.41`	`MohammadAG51`	`youtube api, not related to pr1.2`
`16:05.35`	`CrusKC`	`ow i see. are there any apps that are compatible with the current youtube api?`
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`16:06.07`	`Venemo`	`MohammadAG51: you mentioned in the fixed hildon-desktop thread that you are going to provide fixes for some other packages, too`
`16:06.27`	`Venemo`	`MohammadAG51: is there any way to participate in the beta testing? :P`
`16:06.30`	`mreggen`	`CrusKC: Same thing that happened with my popcorn hour media tank I think (unrelated). Youtube changed it API so its not usable for such apps anymore`
`16:08.17`	`CrusKC`	`mreggen: So you're saying that we probably won't be seeing apps that interface with youtbe anymore then?`
`16:08.49`	`mreggen`	`CrusKC: Well, I have only read up on the media tank issue, and they are saying it isnt possible, for them at least`
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`16:10.12`	`CrusKC`	`mreggen: How do you suppose other platforms handle these things? Like android, ios, they all have apps doing this. Do they suffer the same "problems"?`
`16:11.20`	`mreggen`	`CrusKC: I only know this: http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20091120/youtube-says-popcorn-hour-is-over/`
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`16:13.12`	`MohammadAG51`	`timeless, does a .install file need a special mime type?`
`16:13.18`	`timeless_mbp`	`it should have one`
`16:13.43`	`MohammadAG51`	`it opens as plaintext in the browser`
`16:14.03`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`Termana, what... and miss all the great opportunities to react to random uses of throat?`
`16:14.11`	`timeless_mbp`	`application/x-install-instructions`
`16:14.32`	`MohammadAG51`	`thanks`
`16:14.38`	`CrusKC`	`mreggen: thanks for the info, the use of the api being limited to having a contract with youtube would explain it I guess.`
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`16:18.24`	`timeless`	`sp3000: poke me about food?`
`16:18.36`	`sp3000`	`pokes timeless about food`
`16:18.51`	`timeless`	`ok, sounds good. where to?`
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`16:19.06`	`sp3000`	`dunno, is it indian or chicos today? half an hour or so`
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`16:19.19`	`timeless`	`chicos, i did indian yesterday`
`16:19.22`	`timeless`	`30mins sounds good`
`16:19.51`	`timeless`	`> microform`
`16:20.05`	`timeless`	`think that's like micorophone and mirophone?`
`16:20.25`	`sp3000`	`<small><form>`
`16:20.26`	`timeless`	`hrm, no, it's a style`
`16:21.33`	`timeless`	`(or, what you said..)`
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`16:42.47`	`timeless`	`sp3000: time check`
`16:43.07`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG51: BTW, can you include some of the modest patches which are languishing in Bugzilla; which hrw had previously supplied a repo for in PR1.0/PR1.1`
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`16:45.13`	`sp3000`	`timeless: done, I can continue bisecting tomorrow, that'll take forever anyway`
`16:45.24`	`timeless`	`heh`
`16:45.34`	`timeless`	`i'm @sdpq in a sorted list of "words"`
`16:45.57`	`timeless`	`16463:sdpq`
`16:46.00`	`timeless`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:46.16`	`timeless`	`so, now's as goods as any time to abandon it`
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`16:52.33`	`timeless`	`fwiw, mxr.maemo.org was just moved, until DNS updates (sometime tomorrow?) http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/fremantle and friends should be kinda workable (same host, different branding)`
`16:52.49`	`timeless`	`and there's also mxr.moego.org/ for meego stuff (possibly fremantle1.2)`
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`16:57.12`	`crashanddie`	`wow, ps3 is hacked apparently`
`16:57.16`	`Venemo`	`timeless: "(Don't use a web-crawler to try and download all of these pages; the CGIs will feed you several gigabytes worth of generated HTML!)" ... LoL`
`16:57.31`	`ZogG`	`crashanddie good morning`
`16:57.42`	`timeless`	`venemo: it's true`
`16:57.45`	`crashanddie`	`evening here, but hey ZogG`
`16:57.49`	`timeless`	`and people are stupid enough to try once in a while`
`16:58.02`	`ZogG`	`crashanddie evening here too, i mean about ps3 =)`
`16:58.13`	`crashanddie`	`timeless: wget http://whatever -O /dev/null`
`16:58.42`	`Corsac`	`you still download several GB`
`16:58.50`	`crashanddie`	`like I care :D`
`16:59.17`	`crashanddie`	`i don't have any download limits, fair-use or otherwise`
`16:59.20`	`crashanddie`	`(nor upload)`
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`17:00.13`	`pupnik`	`CrusKC: i have found patches for youtube, and i believe minitube is working now`
`17:00.22`	`pupnik`	`youtube-dl that is`
`17:00.27`	`timeless`	`sp3000: did you depart?`
`17:00.36`	`sp3000`	`timeless: not yet`
`17:00.44`	`CrusKC`	`pupnik: is it to be found in extras or devel?`
`17:00.54`	`crashanddie`	`ZogG: apparently some aussies managed to hack the ps3, dump the game to hard drive, and play whenever you want`
`17:01.14`	`crashanddie`	`ZogG: there's a couple of youtube videos allegdely "proving" how it works`
`17:01.14`	`ZogG`	`crashanddie saw it`
`17:01.19`	`pupnik`	`CrusKC: dunno, give them a try`
`17:01.35`	`ZogG`	`crashanddie yeah i know`
`17:01.51`	`CrusKC`	`pupnik: allright, I'll have a look ^^`
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`17:06.02`	`sp3000`	`timeless: ok, going`
`17:06.04`	`sp3000`	`->`
`17:06.20`	`crashanddie`	`ZogG: I guess we'll have to wait for the dust to settle and see what's actually happening`
`17:06.30`	`crashanddie`	`ZogG: if it works, I'll buy a hundred and resell them locally :D`
`17:06.33`	`timeless`	`ok`
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`17:07.01`	`lcuk`	`crashanddie, I thought ps3 had linux anyway?`
`17:07.06`	`lcuk`	`why would you need to hack it?`
`17:07.10`	`lcuk`	`or was the linux distro removed?`
`17:07.12`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: they removed the feature`
`17:07.21`	`lcuk`	`sad`
`17:07.23`	`crashanddie`	`lcuk: it was removed when the ps3 slim came out`
`17:07.45`	`lcuk`	`ahh`
`17:07.46`	`crashanddie`	`mainly because linux ran in a hypervisor, and you didn't have access to the gpu`
`17:07.59`	`crashanddie`	`then people managed to hack that limitation`
`17:08.08`	`crashanddie`	`so they removed the linux feature as a whole`
`17:08.37`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`17:08.58`	`timeless`	`you give an inch, people will take a mile`
`17:09.37`	`lcuk`	`wasnt hacking the linux the defacto MMORPG on ps3 for ages?`
`17:09.53`	`timeless`	`heh`
`17:09.59`	`ShadowJK`	`ah so that's why all the projects that wanted to do video on ps3 died :-)`
`17:10.01`	`timeless`	`in every generation there comes anew`
`17:10.04`	`timeless`	`hacking target`
`17:10.05`	`lcuk`	`"I am a level 70 kernel hacker"`
`17:10.16`	`timeless`	`eyopener, audrey, ps3`
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`17:10.42`	`timeless`	`qcat?`
`17:11.09`	`penguinbait`	`lcuk, saw this and thought of you - http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2010/20100819_2513.png`
`17:11.55`	`penguinbait`	`http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2010/20100819_2513.png`
`17:12.00`	`penguinbait`	`whoops`
`17:12.02`	`lcuk`	`:D:D:D:D:D:D`
`17:12.08`	`lcuk`	`bacon cider FTW though ;)`
`17:12.13`	`penguinbait`	`bacon cider, mmmmmmm`
`17:13.11`	`lcuk`	`I didnt see you drop in anyway penguinbait - how are you doing?`
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`17:13.39`	`penguinbait`	`good, summer time here, spend lots of spare time outside ;)`
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`18:13.58`	`lcuk`	`throws some rocks around the room`
`18:15.11`	`Appiah`	`!!`
`18:15.13`	`Appiah`	`heeeey...`
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`18:15.18`	`MohammadAG`	`throws an empire state building at lcuk`
`18:15.49`	`lcuk`	`:O`
`18:15.51`	`lcuk`	`ducks`
`18:16.26`	`lolcat93`	`collapses`
`18:17.02`	`lcuk`	`MohammadAG, look now, you should have checked that no lolcats were near where you were throwing that building`
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`18:18.21`	`MohammadAG`	`lcuk, sowy`
`18:18.28`	`MohammadAG`	`I'll be caweful next time`
`18:18.33`	`lcuk`	`indeed`
`18:18.45`	`lcuk`	`I was pondering today about a shared alarm clock`
`18:18.57`	`lcuk`	`currently I have to set alarms on each of the devices I need to wake up`
`18:19.13`	`lcuk`	`I would like to set the alarm on one machine and have it actually bing on all of them`
`18:19.23`	`lcuk`	`so I can wake up by walking around the room turning the pesky things off ;)`
`18:20.04`	`lcuk`	`it would be good for devices within potentially BT range to pick up on the shared wakeup time`
`18:20.06`	`lcuk`	`and ring as required`
`18:20.46`	`lcuk`	`it would have to be cross platform app though, because I currently have alarm clock in windows and linux and on my maemo devices`
`18:20.53`	`MohammadAG`	`hmm`
`18:21.14`	`MohammadAG`	`ponders how to get rid of "The following packages cannot be authenticated"`
`18:21.48`	`lcuk`	`thats a different issue with digitally signed uploads etc`
`18:22.00`	`MohammadAG`	`GPG?`
`18:22.05`	`yigal`	`yep`
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`18:22.26`	`MohammadAG`	`hmm, so how do I get a key to sign them?`
`18:22.41`	`alterego`	`I noticed Quim mention "Linaro" has that got something to do with MeeGo?`
`18:22.57`	`lcuk`	`responsible actions gain confidence :)`
`18:23.13`	`lcuk`	`Linaro is the meego-clone of Ubuntu`
`18:23.16`	`lcuk`	`ish`
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`18:23.25`	`alterego`	`Hrm, okay`
`18:23.34`	`alterego`	`Didn't seem like that on their website.`
`18:24.07`	`lcuk`	`i might be wrong :)`
`18:24.12`	`lcuk`	`what do you think it is`
`18:24.12`	`lolcat93`	`Linaro, can you make calls with it?`
`18:24.21`	`alterego`	`I don't know, that's why I was asking :)`
`18:24.29`	`alterego`	`It didn't look like a Linux distro though`
`18:24.47`	`alterego`	`It looked more like some kind of org for open hardware and Linux adaptation`
`18:24.53`	`alterego`	`specifically ARM arch`
`18:24.54`	`MohammadAG`	`why not ask on #meego?`
`18:25.08`	`alterego`	`Because it was posted on tmo :P`
`18:25.08`	`yigal`	`Linaro is not a distrobution http://www.linaro.org/is-linaro-a-distribution/`
`18:26.06`	`lolcat93`	`No. Linaro focuses on low level software. Applications will need to be written for the target distribution that lands on top of Linaro e.g. LiMo, MeeGo, Ubuntu etc.`
`18:26.28`	`alterego`	`Right`
`18:27.09`	`alterego`	`So Linaro is an effort to make Linux (basically the kernel) run to it's fullest on ARM platforms`
`18:27.12`	`lolcat93`	`5. No. We aim to work with as many LinuxÂ® distributions and software stacks as possible. However, the development will leverage some of Canonical's infrastructure such as LaunchPad, bringing a tried and tested structure to the organization.`
`18:28.33`	`alterego`	`Ah, but they do have a reference deliverable (distribution) :)`
`18:29.35`	`MohammadAG`	`need some testers for the community SSU, PM me :)`
`18:29.49`	`alterego`	`MohammadAG: bit early for a community SSU isn't it? :P`
`18:30.00`	`lolcat93`	`SSU?`
`18:30.05`	`MohammadAG`	`not for me, then again, I'm impatient`
`18:30.09`	`alterego`	`Heh`
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`18:31.09`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: BTW, can you include some of the modest patches which are languishing in Bugzilla; which hrw had previously supplied a repo for in PR1.0/PR1.1`
`18:32.06`	`Jaffa`	`MohaDoes thinks like fix quoting.`
`18:32.31`	`alterego`	`Jaffa: sounds like a good idea.`
`18:32.42`	`alterego`	`stick in fapman too ...`
`18:32.46`	`alterego`	`is joking ;)`
`18:33.01`	`Jaffa`	`:-p`
`18:33.35`	`MohammadAG`	`LOL`
`18:33.43`	`MohammadAG`	`Jaffa, will check those in a bit`
`18:33.44`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: And lma might be able to help with meta-packages and behaviour of upgrades and stuff`
`18:34.46`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: Cool, thanks.`
`18:36.03`	`Jaffa`	`MohammadAG: How're you building, btw? Should have some mechanism so you can have helpers, since I suspect that a Fremantle community SSU is going to be crucial`
`18:36.19`	`MohammadAG`	`scratchbox at the moment`
`18:36.25`	`Jaffa`	`Actually motivates the comunity to fix bugs like bug 10412`
`18:36.26`	`povbot`	`Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 hildon-desktop cpu usage, result=causes slow battery drain`
`18:36.45`	`Jaffa`	`Problem with diablo SSU was delay. Proactive good.`
`18:36.53`	`alterego`	`Yeah, good point`
`18:37.05`	`alterego`	`I'm glad you've taken the gauntlet MohammadAG you impatient bastard :P`
`18:37.30`	`Jaffa`	`:)`
`18:37.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`pokes MohammadAG`
`18:37.54`	`alterego`	`I should seriously think about getting a second N900`
`18:38.00`	`Jaffa`	`Hell, I might even look at 10412, and then make community SSU a pre-req for Catorise :)`
`18:38.23`	`luke-jr`	`doesn't get why people need two N900s`
`18:38.23`	`alterego`	`Or do I get the "N9" and use my current N900 for MeeGo development.`
`18:38.42`	`alterego`	`luke-jr: because I'd like to be able to use my phone whilst working on MeeGo`
`18:38.54`	`luke-jr`	`so use your phone`
`18:39.02`	`alterego`	`Erm, the N900 is my phone ...`
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`18:39.07`	`luke-jr`	`N900 isn't a phone :P`
`18:39.10`	`alterego`	`It's also my internet connection`
`18:39.20`	`alterego`	`The phone bit of the N900 is a phone`
`18:39.20`	`Jaffa`	`luke-jr: Those of running !Gentoo can use all the features of the h/w...`
`18:39.31`	`luke-jr`	`Jaffa: those running Gentoo can too`
`18:39.34`	`ioan`	`hi. any example on how to change the proxy settings from a script?`
`18:40.20`	`ZogG`	`luke-jr n900 is not a plnae is not a bird it's ...`
`18:41.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`luke-jr: then call it can&string if you like. If you don't understand what I want to say, then give me your c&s number and I'll c&s you to explain, using my N900 Can&string`
`18:41.07`	`MohammadAG`	`#maemo-ssu registeredd`
`18:41.08`	`MohammadAG`	`-d`
`18:41.12`	`MohammadAG`	`pokes DocScrutinizer`
`18:41.47`	`luke-jr`	`the point is it's easier to get a dumb phone than anothr N900`
`18:41.49`	`luke-jr`	`:P`
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`18:52.53`	`adrianogil`	`hi`
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`18:54.49`	`adrianogil`	`hey someone helps me, please. I am trying to use the android-installer on N810 but I haven't been successfully`
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`19:01.03`	`pupnik`	`adrianogil: #nitdroid-help is a channel for that`
`19:01.29`	`adrianogil`	`thanks pupnik`
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`19:09.30`	`GAN900`	`Weee, lost the urlbar in bookmarks again.`
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`19:11.12`	`DocScrutinizer`	`GAN900: ??`
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`19:12.22`	`kerio`	`lcuk: get an alarm clock`
`19:12.58`	`lcuk`	`kerio, i have one`
`19:13.04`	`lcuk`	`and my 2 n900s in active use`
`19:13.04`	`kerio`	`so use it`
`19:13.05`	`kerio`	`:)`
`19:13.06`	`lcuk`	`and my computer`
`19:13.13`	`lcuk`	`and individually none work`
`19:13.22`	`lcuk`	`so I want a collaborative FOGHORN style wakeup`
`19:13.45`	`lcuk`	`and if I have to run round turning all off at once from random places it will be good`
`19:13.54`	`lcuk`	`i am just pissed with setting each of them individually`
`19:14.00`	`lcuk`	`or forgetting to unset one later`
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`19:19.18`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lcuk: that's a funny idea`
`19:20.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lcuk: maybe you can get a portnumber for it from ICAN ? :-D`
`19:20.16`	`GAN900`	`NTP-A`
`19:20.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`port 43210`
`19:21.07`	`lcuk`	`lol DocScrutinizer`
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`19:22.33`	`lcuk`	`DocScrutinizer, random port knocking is one thing, but it would be rather frustrating if its unauthenticated`
`19:22.45`	`lcuk`	`I would run round a hotel broadcasting that port at random times evilgrin`
`19:23.04`	`MohammadAG`	`can't believe #meego has more annoying trolls than #maemo`
`19:23.58`	`frals`	`i dont get the ppl joining with names like "n9awesome" or "meegoftw" etc`
`19:24.54`	`MohammadAG`	`frals, tbh, I don't get people nowadays`
`19:29.39`	`kerio`	`lcuk: just ssh`
`19:30.04`	`kerio`	`the servers have a sshd running, and logging in rings the alarm`
`19:33.10`	`ioan`	`to enable/disable the proxy settings, I'm editing the /home/user/.mozilla/microb/prefs.js from my script, but as soon as I start the browser, the prefs.js goes to the default values... what I'm doing wrong?`
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`19:47.09`	`luke-jr`	`lcuk: how about if the port knocking is different based on time/date? :P`
`19:47.26`	`luke-jr`	`then you've effectively got a shared key in the form of an algorithm`
`19:47.27`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`19:47.42`	`lcuk`	`I would rather have it authenticated to the house system`
`19:47.57`	`luke-jr`	`âº`
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`19:48.01`	`luke-jr`	`still a fun idea`
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`19:48.25`	`luke-jr`	`actually, don't try to find it, but my dad's house computer is completely open to the net`
`19:48.29`	`luke-jr`	`no passwords or anything`
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`19:48.46`	`lcuk`	`luke-jr, nothing new`
`19:48.49`	`luke-jr`	`you could probably burn his house down remotely if you tried`
`19:48.56`	`lcuk`	`:S`
`19:49.24`	`luke-jr`	`well, it's Python-basedâ¦ :P`
`19:49.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I'd be more interested in the internet banking account`
`19:50.04`	`lolcat93`	`I have one of those`
`19:50.12`	`lolcat93`	`They suck`
`19:50.17`	`lcuk`	`python based house burning system>`
`19:50.18`	`lcuk`	`?`
`19:50.27`	`lolcat93`	`INternet Bakning Account`
`19:51.01`	`lcuk`	`most people have an internet bank account now`
`19:51.09`	`luke-jr`	`lcuk: Python-based home automation system ;p`
`19:51.22`	`lolcat93`	`Still it makes me get less service from my bank`
`19:51.32`	`luke-jr`	`lol`
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`19:51.44`	`luke-jr`	`I wish I could deposit checks online :/`
`19:51.58`	`lolcat93`	`I have to do everything by my self, in their crappy interface and use their stupid security crap.`
`19:52.04`	`lolcat93`	`Like the number thing, I hate it`
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`19:52.29`	`luke-jr`	`lolcat93: I know your number, btw`
`19:52.39`	`lolcat93`	`Oh?`
`19:52.43`	`luke-jr`	`93`
`19:52.49`	`lolcat93`	`Lol :P`
`19:53.15`	`lolcat93`	`Dammit`
`19:53.26`	`luke-jr`	`just realized you made your password public?`
`19:53.34`	`lolcat93`	`My icekubes melted and started dripping down on the N900 box`
`19:53.48`	`luke-jr`	`fail`
`19:54.36`	`lcuk`	`luke-jr, cool`
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`19:54.53`	`lcuk`	`I want it all to work happily with handheld though`
`19:54.57`	`lolcat93`	`It is like haf a kilo of icekubes :S`
`19:55.03`	`lcuk`	`has ideas`
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`19:55.28`	`lolcat93`	`I can't wait for my visa to arrive`
`19:55.42`	`lolcat93`	`Then I can buy original BL-5J :D`
`19:56.23`	`luke-jr`	`lcuk: the home automation system has an AJAX UI`
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`19:59.10`	`lcuk`	`luke-jr, cool stuff, what sort of stuff does it automate? front door curtains lights etc?`
`19:59.44`	`luke-jr`	`lcuk: doors, lights, freezers, alarms, sirens, thermometers, A/C, etc`
`19:59.58`	`luke-jr`	`power meter, lightning/wind info`
`20:00.15`	`lcuk`	`awesome`
`20:00.27`	`satmd`	`interesting`
`20:01.03`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sirens - lcuk that's your thing! :-D FOGHORN sirens`
`20:01.05`	`luke-jr`	`security cameras IIRC`
`20:01.09`	`luke-jr`	`wonders what else`
`20:01.26`	`lcuk`	`DocScrutinizer, YES!`
`20:01.31`	`luke-jr`	`I do regret writing it in Python fairly often though`
`20:01.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hehe streaming live video from bedroom :-P`
`20:01.50`	`MohammadAG`	`improves on the IRC protocol to support remote punches`
`20:01.52`	`lcuk`	`AWOOOGA AWOOOGA WAKE UP NOW !!!`
`20:02.07`	`luke-jr`	`MohammadAG: that's like improving KDE 2`
`20:02.13`	`lcuk`	`irc powered alarm calls will be good`
`20:02.25`	`luke-jr`	`http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/housectl/ has some old screenshots :p`
`20:02.46`	`lcuk`	`omg @ all those widgets`
`20:03.05`	`lcuk`	`has that ui ever been on dailywtf?`
`20:03.10`	`luke-jr`	`not afaik`
`20:03.10`	`lcuk`	`remembers something similar`
`20:03.23`	`luke-jr`	`it's gotten worse since my dad started "maintaining" the codebase <.<`
`20:03.38`	`kerio`	`lcuk: DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0`
`20:03.45`	`kerio`	`haha what`
`20:03.50`	`luke-jr`	`maybe someday I'll actually be able to see it in person`
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`20:04.06`	`luke-jr`	`kerio: careful, Freenode K-lines for that`
`20:04.13`	`luke-jr`	`pupnik: fix your router`
`20:04.27`	`kerio`	`pupnik: your router is crap`
`20:05.19`	`lcuk`	`luke-jr, at one of the barcamps I went to`
`20:05.32`	`luke-jr`	`omg`
`20:05.34`	`lcuk`	`there was someone who ran a digital pipeorgan`
`20:05.39`	`luke-jr`	`just loaded the current version of itâ¦`
`20:05.41`	`lcuk`	`ran on BBC micro`
`20:05.46`	`luke-jr`	`it took at least 30 seconds to load`
`20:06.07`	`luke-jr`	`I should make a screenshot of thisâ¦`
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`20:07.53`	`Jaffa`	`lcuk: Might get my Beeb down from the loft to teach Jaffa Jrs about real computing`
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`20:10.07`	`luke-jr`	`lcuk: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/housectl/ajax4.png`
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`20:10.31`	`pupnik`	`kerio: why do you say that?`
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`20:11.05`	`kerio`	`because dcc send startkeylogger 0 0 0`
`20:11.14`	`kerio`	`oh, i guess it was just a coincidence`
`20:11.20`	`luke-jr`	`kerio: or uppercase`
`20:11.26`	`kerio`	`hmm`
`20:11.32`	`kerio`	`DCC SEND whateverlolololololol`
`20:11.36`	`kerio`	`hahaha awesome`
`20:11.42`	`lcuk`	`Jaffa, :)`
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`20:12.03`	`kerio`	`pupnik: see?`
`20:12.31`	`MohammadAG`	`th3hate, vlc --help`
`20:12.32`	`lcuk`	`luke-jr, thats actually cool`
`20:12.47`	`kerio`	`when a certain string passes through your cheap router, your connection drops`
`20:14.35`	`lcuk`	`kerio, oh the dcc request is simple and stops at the router`
`20:14.43`	`lcuk`	`theres certain messages that can be blocked tho`
`20:14.45`	`kerio`	`it's not a dcc request`
`20:14.48`	`lcuk`	`X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*`
`20:15.10`	`kerio`	`it's DCC SEND astringthatsfourteencharactersormore`
`20:15.11`	`lcuk`	`used to have a high impact on certain windows machines`
`20:15.43`	`lcuk`	`(eicar is identified by all AV scanners and treated as malicious`
`20:15.58`	`th3hate`	`lcuk, what did you just try to do?`
`20:16.02`	`MohammadAG`	`LOL`
`20:16.09`	`kerio`	`th3hate: antivirus standard test file`
`20:16.12`	`lcuk`	`nothing, go read up about EICAR`
`20:16.21`	`MohammadAG`	`lcuk, how'd you do that?`
`20:16.32`	`mece`	`to`
`20:16.36`	`mece`	`I means hi`
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`20:16.53`	`lcuk`	`MohammadAG, how did I do it, or how do I know it?`
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`20:17.01`	`MohammadAG`	`how did you do it?`
`20:17.06`	`MohammadAG`	`simple message?`
`20:17.23`	`lcuk`	`oh it was a problem years ago in some messaging thing`
`20:17.54`	`MohammadAG`	`it affected someone on our server`
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`20:17.59`	`lcuk`	`on the eicar site they have variations`
`20:18.24`	`lcuk`	`that you can use to check your AV catches, its good to try to actually get a file with that content stored on your computer`
`20:18.37`	`lcuk`	`and to see exactly where your AV stops things`
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`20:19.39`	`lcuk`	`so kerio :P stop with the random fakery and at least do things properly`
`20:23.10`	`GAN900`	`DocScrutinizer, when opening the browser and seeing the bookmarks window the URL bar is missing.`
`20:23.40`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ooops`
`20:24.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`GAN900: how that?`
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`20:33.37`	`GAN900`	`DocScrutinizer, dunno, just does after a while.`
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`20:35.05`	`DocScrutinizer`	`killall browserd?`
`20:35.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lart timeless ?`
`20:36.02`	`fabrice`	`I installed apps with .desktop files in /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon - They show fine in the application list (the grid screen), but I can't add them to the home screen. Any hint appreciated!`
`20:37.18`	`lcuk`	`fabrice, have you had them on desktop prior to this time? and whilst I facfepalm at myself for saying this, have you rebooted already?`
`20:38.32`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, no, and no. It looks that /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu only includes /usr/share/applications/hildon`
`20:39.16`	`lcuk`	`ohhhh now i see`
`20:39.37`	`pupnik`	`22:39 [freenode] -!- kerio [kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92]`
`20:39.42`	`pupnik`	`cut it out`
`20:39.58`	`kerio`	`freedom of speech dude`
`20:40.06`	`lcuk`	`fabrice, so its a limitation/bug`
`20:40.06`	`pupnik`	`private network`
`20:40.06`	`kerio`	`it's your router that causes a disservice when somebody speaks`
`20:40.16`	`lcuk`	`fabrice, do you want to check if its already been filed as a bug`
`20:40.35`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, yep, where's the bug tracker?`
`20:40.59`	`lcuk`	`bugs.maemo.org`
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`20:41.23`	`lcuk`	`pokes MohammadAG - do you want to do some superhero trick ;)`
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`20:41.34`	`*** kick/#maemo [kerio!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (I will ask for Freenode to /kill you if you don't cease immediately)`
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`20:41.58`	`MohammadAG`	`jumps off the empire state building and tries to fly`
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`20:42.12`	`lcuk`	`MohammadAG, but you threw it earlier`
`20:42.14`	`MohammadAG`	`FU LCUK!!! /me dies`
`20:42.14`	`lcuk`	`its on its side`
`20:42.18`	`lcuk`	`you didnt jump very far`
`20:42.24`	`MohammadAG`	`oh right`
`20:42.30`	`MohammadAG`	`wakes up - embarrased`
`20:42.40`	`MohammadAG`	`embarrassed*`
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`20:46.08`	`MohammadAG`	`lcuk, what did you want?`
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`20:47.24`	`lcuk`	`i already told you :P`
`20:48.50`	`timeless`	`sp3000 ping`
`20:48.58`	`MohammadAG`	`scratches head, reads logs`
`20:49.10`	`GAN900`	`~lart timeless`
`20:49.10`	`infobot`	`plops timeless into a giant vat of herring`
`20:49.13`	`GAN900`	`Sounds good.`
`20:49.16`	`sp3000`	`timeless?`
`20:49.32`	`timeless`	`what was that for?`
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`20:50.08`	`GAN900`	`timeless, bookmarks application opening without a URL bar requiring restarting MicroB`
`20:50.26`	`sp3000`	`doesn't remember the steps for that`
`20:51.14`	`kerio`	`i'd just ~lard for the existance of the bookmarks application`
`20:51.20`	`kerio`	`and i'd also ~lart`
`20:51.32`	`sp3000`	`doesn't want to be larded`
`20:51.33`	`MohammadAG`	`hmm`
`20:51.34`	`MohammadAG`	`bug`
`20:51.38`	`MohammadAG`	`I doubt anyone noticed it`
`20:51.47`	`kerio`	`~lard timeless`
`20:51.48`	`MohammadAG`	`lcuk, seems to be a bug in hildon-home`
`20:51.52`	`kerio`	`DocScrutinizer?`
`20:51.58`	`MohammadAG`	`fetches sources, checks`
`20:52.16`	`timeless`	`bookmarks isn't really an application`
`20:52.34`	`kerio`	`it's still satan's spawn`
`20:52.43`	`MohammadAG`	`it's a list with screenshots and dbus sending buttons?`
`20:53.11`	`DocScrutinizer`	`kerio?`
`20:53.18`	`kerio`	`add a ~lard to infobot pls`
`20:53.23`	`timeless`	`hey, if i wanted to transfer 2gb of data, can i use adhoc wifi ?`
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`20:53.38`	`timeless`	`has two n900s and no trusted neighbors`
`20:53.44`	`GAN900`	`timeless, OK, whatever shows when you open browser.`
`20:53.48`	`MohammadAG`	`hd-multi-map.c <-- multitouch?`
`20:53.56`	`GAN900`	`(Which should really be a setting)`
`20:53.58`	`kerio`	`timeless: you can yell the data, if you use ssh as you should`
`20:54.03`	`timeless`	`the alternative is a 30min foot basd roun trip`
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`20:54.26`	`GAN900`	`MicroSD?`
`20:54.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`kerio: I don't have any lard I could gve to anybody. And particularly infobot I'm sure wouldn't appreciate, I know she hates all fat`
`20:54.52`	`timeless`	`don't have sadly`
`20:55.18`	`timeless`	`hrm`
`20:56.31`	`DocScrutinizer`	`timeless: seems like that's what adhoc is made for`
`20:58.53`	`SpeedEvil`	`Or sneakernet.`
`20:58.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`AKA swap microSD over`
`21:00.53`	`kerio`	`adhoc + wpa2 + ssh`
`21:01.02`	`kerio`	`sneakernet is meh`
`21:02.02`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`225452 <timeless> don't have sadly`
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`21:06.37`	`quanttrom`	`I am reading a service manual and it quite clearly says that when the back cover is removed both eMMC and MicroSD interfaces are powered down`
`21:06.40`	`quanttrom`	`is that correct?`
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`21:08.22`	`SpeedEvil`	`quanttrom: yes.`
`21:08.23`	`pupnik`	`quanttrom: i haven't seen that myself - and i think i was reading from microsd`
`21:08.27`	`pupnik`	`hmm`
`21:08.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`quanttrom: umm`
`21:08.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`I think only microSD`
`21:08.51`	`pupnik`	`well it booted for sure`
`21:09.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
`21:09.45`	`pupnik`	`so that is done to prevent corrupted microsd cards?`
`21:10.28`	`SpeedEvil`	`user may unplug`
`21:10.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`So they unmount`
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`21:12.14`	`quanttrom`	`lets just assume I am reading a service manual from Nokia`
`21:12.16`	`quanttrom`	`so yeah it says that`
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`21:13.00`	`quanttrom`	`well lets go into detail`
`21:13.13`	`quanttrom`	`it says that an interrupt is send to OMAP which powers down both memory cards`
`21:13.13`	`kerio`	`yeah, because why should you trust users with a phone made for nerds`
`21:13.24`	`quanttrom`	`so technically it depends how that interrupt is handled`
`21:13.34`	`kerio`	`quanttrom: the eMMC is still powered on and working`
`21:13.50`	`kerio`	`that makes me wonder... what if your back cover broke?`
`21:13.50`	`quanttrom`	`ok thank you guys :)`
`21:14.15`	`quanttrom`	`short /open the magnetic sensor`
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`21:20.50`	`Jaffa`	`Interesting.`
`21:20.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`dmesg says on open cover`
`21:20.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`[61524.116516] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible`
`21:20.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`[61524.422485] mmc0: card bfa2 removed`
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`21:21.05`	`SpeedEvil`	`However - mydocs accessibility does not change`
`21:21.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`So manual is wrong.`
`21:21.20`	`Jaffa`	`One of the RM-680 bug reports mentions a firmware: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-301 which also mentions RX-71, RM-581, RM-660 and RM-696`
`21:21.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`I recall 71 before`
`21:22.09`	`Jaffa`	`SpeedEvil: Indeed, came out in kernel references whilst we were waiting for RX-51 (N900)`
`21:22.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?find=%2Fkernel%2F&string=rx71`
`21:22.12`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
`21:24.16`	`ioan`	`to call gconftool-2 in a script, do I have to call it with run-standalone.sh? why?`
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`21:28.08`	`ioan`	`never mind`
`21:28.10`	`ioan`	`:-)`
`21:28.41`	`alterego`	`Just make sure you do it with the right user`
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`21:35.43`	`quanttrom`	`How does a phone recognize what battery is currenly in it if it is used with multiple batteries?`
`21:35.52`	`quanttrom`	`EEPROM in the battery?`
`21:37.21`	`lcuk`	`vanishes to do some stuff`
`21:37.42`	`lcuk`	`quanttrom, battery has 3 connections for a purpose`
`21:38.02`	`lcuk`	`but I am not sure how it handles swapping between and whether it retains its history or if it gets reset`
`21:39.32`	`quanttrom`	`lcuk: I have seen some with 4 as well. I am just curious`
`21:40.41`	`quanttrom`	`I tried to google it but didn't have much luck`
`21:45.21`	`quanttrom`	`if you have any links feel free to share :)`
`21:47.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`quanttrom: the n900 has no battery ID`
`21:47.12`	`SpeedEvil`	`quanttrom: It can't`
`21:47.38`	`lolcat93`	`quanttrom: The n900 has a crap battery`
`21:47.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`It can have ID chips.`
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`21:47.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`the battery charge monitor chip can do ID`
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`21:48.15`	`SpeedEvil`	`But, it's not actually integrated in the battery as it's designed to be`
`21:48.20`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's on the motherboard`
`21:48.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`so it's a motherboard ID, not a battery ID.`
`21:48.33`	`SpeedEvil`	`This is not very helpful`
`21:48.55`	`nox-`	`moin`
`21:50.15`	`Commodore-Freak`	`morning... okay, i'm not sure how often this question has already been asked here... but is there just any fucking way to align desktop-widgets/shortcuts to grid?`
`21:50.24`	`SpeedEvil`	`yes`
`21:50.29`	`lolcat93`	`I am so damn bored`
`21:50.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`they are aligned on a grid by default`
`21:50.34`	`SpeedEvil`	`but it's 4 pixels`
`21:51.02`	`Commodore-Freak`	`i could swear they are not`
`21:51.49`	`SpeedEvil`	`You can't see 4 pixels on the screen`
`21:51.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`looks for tha tthread.`
`21:58.09`	`quanttrom`	`SpeedEvil: so esentially every time u swap the battery the battery gauge is unaware and uses wrong information`
`21:58.13`	`quanttrom`	`that's not nice...`
`22:00.23`	`kerio`	`Commodore-Freak: install tweakr`
`22:00.29`	`kerio`	`you can set the grid size`
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`22:01.37`	`Commodore-Freak`	`trying it out atm`
`22:02.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`quanttrom: pretty much`
`22:03.13`	`timeless`	`hey`
`22:03.27`	`timeless`	`is there a tiny emmc image available?`
`22:03.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`pr1.0`
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`22:04.19`	`timeless`	`the images i could find were 256mb or so`
`22:04.40`	`timeless`	`kinda breaks my budget`
`22:04.43`	`Commodore-Freak`	`ah tweakr seems to do provide exactly the functionality i was looking for :)`
`22:04.44`	`Commodore-Freak`	`great, thx`
`22:04.53`	`SpeedEvil`	`It now contains /opt`
`22:04.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`well`
`22:05.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`sortof`
`22:05.05`	`timeless`	`not really`
`22:05.21`	`timeless`	`kicks it`
`22:05.40`	`lcuk`	`timeless, could rummage around in the morning for you`
`22:05.43`	`timeless`	`/opt is part of the mmc image and is moved over at first run`
`22:05.48`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
`22:05.50`	`fabrice`	`can anyone point me to the fremantle source repos?`
`22:05.53`	`timeless`	`lcuk: ineed it now`
`22:05.59`	`lcuk`	`:(`
`22:06.05`	`timeless`	`and i don't have vpn magic here`
`22:06.32`	`lcuk`	`fabrice, theres loads of source on http://maemo.gitorious.org/`
`22:06.33`	`timeless`	`grumbles`
`22:06.56`	`lcuk`	`all the desktop components and a load of other goodies`
`22:06.58`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, regarding my menu issue, it looks like the issue is with /home/user/.config/menus/hildon.menu not being used`
`22:07.16`	`fabrice`	`is there an lxr like tool?`
`22:07.22`	`lcuk`	`theres a metric shittonne of code on garage.maemo.org`
`22:07.26`	`lcuk`	`yeah fabrice we know`
`22:07.37`	`fabrice`	`you know what?`
`22:07.44`	`lcuk`	`talk to MohammadAG51 he spent a little time tracking it down`
`22:07.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/`
`22:08.01`	`lcuk`	`but we were waiting for your proper report :P`
`22:08.01`	`fabrice`	`SpeedEvil, thanks`
`22:08.10`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, ok, I'm gonna file a bug`
`22:09.10`	`timeless`	`speedevil: is that working today?`
`22:09.14`	`lcuk`	`cool :)`
`22:09.22`	`timeless`	`the server moved and nokia dns masters...`
`22:09.26`	`lcuk`	`timeless, yeak your mxr is working a treat :)`
`22:09.29`	`timeless`	`oh, wow`
`22:09.40`	`timeless`	`wonders how it's working`
`22:09.41`	`lcuk`	`I used it earlier with MohammadAG51 and I saw SpeedEvil giving links b4`
`22:09.43`	`timeless`	`oh well`
`22:09.50`	`timeless`	`magic`
`22:09.56`	`lcuk`	`:)`
`22:10.07`	`lcuk`	`thanks you everytime I open it!`
`22:10.29`	`timeless`	`one warning, i can't remember which fremantle fremantle is`
`22:10.48`	`lcuk`	`it does for 99% of things`
`22:10.48`	`MohammadAG51`	`probably harmattan`
`22:10.49`	`MohammadAG51`	`:P`
`22:10.55`	`lcuk`	`heh`
`22:11.03`	`timeless`	`fremantle12 is obvious`
`22:11.12`	`MohammadAG51`	`pr1.1?`
`22:11.13`	`MohammadAG51`	`:P`
`22:11.33`	`timeless`	`nah, i don't think i ever really picked up 1.1`
`22:13.42`	`timeless`	`alias: fremantle fremantle-20091116`
`22:13.54`	`timeless`	`i could change fremantle to point to 12`
`22:13.58`	`timeless`	`if people like`
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`22:14.19`	`lcuk`	`it will help timeless`
`22:14.37`	`lcuk`	`there were a few compatability changes and slightly newer apis available`
`22:14.43`	`lcuk`	`and most are on pr1.2 now`
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`22:16.03`	`lcuk`	`has lost truman show dvd`
`22:16.50`	`timeless`	`hrm, i think i've changed it to 12`
`22:17.06`	`timeless`	`not sure offhand how to prove it`
`22:20.49`	`MohammadAG51`	`check kernel revisions`
`22:22.30`	`mece`	`does anyone here see an sd card slot on the n9?`
`22:25.48`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, MohammadAG, MohammadAG51 : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163`
`22:25.49`	`povbot`	`Bug 11163: user`
`22:26.03`	`MohammadAG51`	`user? :/`
`22:26.37`	`kerio`	`must be a PEBKAC`
`22:26.43`	`timeless`	`um`
`22:26.56`	`timeless`	`write failed after 655360 bytes`
`22:27.00`	`fabrice`	`kerio, yeah you must be perfect`
`22:27.01`	`ShadowJK`	`lcuk, how did you cope with your stylus finger/thumb? this is terrible`
`22:27.07`	`timeless`	`usb_buk_write: no error`
`22:27.11`	`fabrice`	`MohammadAG51, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11163`
`22:27.12`	`povbot`	`Bug 11163: user menu is not used to build shortcut list`
`22:27.29`	`lcuk`	`ShadowJK, hmm?`
`22:27.36`	`lcuk`	`where are you reading it?`
`22:27.48`	`lcuk`	`fabrice, cool`
`22:28.15`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, well, fixing this what would be really cool`
`22:28.16`	`lcuk`	`any chance you can upload a deb or point to an example git repository so that user can reproduce easily?`
`22:28.46`	`fabrice`	`lcuk, I can provide a .desktop file`
`22:28.50`	`timeless`	`hey did anyone ever make a group sms sending feature?`
`22:28.57`	`MohammadAG51`	`@mozilla.com?`
`22:29.02`	`ShadowJK`	`lcuk: i remeber this xray of an injury you were pasting?`
`22:29.02`	`lcuk`	`will moving a standard desktop into that location reproduce it for him`
`22:29.15`	`lcuk`	`ShadowJK, sure, I notice it every time I pick up the sugar`
`22:29.15`	`fabrice`	`MohammadAG51, yes`
`22:29.27`	`lcuk`	`and the nail grows a bit wonky`
`22:29.30`	`lcuk`	`but otherwise its fine`
`22:30.02`	`mece`	`hehh this "flick" person is on a bit of a rampage it seems...`
`22:30.18`	`lcuk`	`mece where?`
`22:30.37`	`timeless`	`oh right it's -F -F`
`22:30.38`	`ShadowJK`	`has injured left thumb in a fibre splicxing related incident and finding it hasd to type on hwkeyb with thumb in bandages :)`
`22:30.39`	`mece`	`lcuk, tmo, N9 thread currently, but all over.`
`22:30.40`	`timeless`	`silly me`
`22:30.59`	`lcuk`	`ShadowJK, ahh ouchy`
`22:32.19`	`mece`	`lcuk, he posted this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=792408&postcount=202 in a couple of threads.`
`22:32.59`	`lcuk`	`:(`
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`22:34.53`	`ShadowJK`	`reported one of them with "opinions on nokia cs policies and their political alignment are offtopic for this thread" :D`
`22:35.18`	`MohammadAG51`	`I'd report it as "kids, drugs are bad for you"`
`22:35.19`	`timeless`	`cs?`
`22:35.38`	`MohammadAG51`	`closed source?`
`22:35.39`	`lcuk`	`counter strike obviously`
`22:35.54`	`MohammadAG51`	`counter strike source`
`22:35.57`	`lcuk`	`is just as flummoxed`
`22:36.11`	`lcuk`	`ShadowJK, care to elaborate`
`22:36.19`	`ShadowJK`	`customer service`
`22:36.44`	`MohammadAG51`	`brb`
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`22:39.07`	`lcuk`	`timeless, how do I disable translation so the UI comes up with the standard labels?`
`22:39.49`	`MohammadAG51`	`mv locales and restart UI`
`22:40.03`	`MohammadAG51`	`/usr/share/locales`
`22:40.36`	`MohammadAG51`	`/usr/share/locale*`
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`22:41.22`	`MohammadAG51`	`yep, seems to work for me`
`22:41.31`	`monkeyiq`	`anyone know a good guide for changing which backend canola uses for audio?`
`22:43.06`	`Mousey`	`awwwwww`
`22:43.08`	`Mousey`	`i miss canola`
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`22:48.23`	`noctule`	`evening all`
`22:48.36`	`timeless`	`so...`
`22:49.14`	`timeless`	`anyone here understand how to workaround wifi wps or whatever`
`22:49.42`	`lcuk`	`eep timeless nope`
`22:49.52`	`lcuk`	`Mousey, canola has someone working on it for gsoc`
`22:50.02`	`Mousey`	`super awesome`
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`22:50.58`	`noctule`	`anyone had to return their N900 to Nokia? Just trying to get an idea on how long repairs take`
`22:51.33`	`noctule`	`I was having some screen problems a few days ago, thought it had cleared up, and then bricked it tonight with an app update :/`
`22:52.52`	`timeless`	`ok, with enough hand twisting, it worked!`
`22:53.07`	`timeless`	`lcuk: so, our WPS stuff is terribly broken`
`22:53.35`	`timeless`	`it doesn't understand that the e.g. cisco epc3825 wifi router only does button pairing`
`22:53.39`	`timeless`	`not pin pairing`
`22:56.49`	`lcuk`	`timeless, humm`
`22:56.57`	`lcuk`	`how rare are the routers?`
`22:56.58`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lcuk: LOCALE=C <program-with-standard-labels> ?`
`22:57.20`	`lcuk`	`DocScrutinizer, I did what I needed by brute force thanks`
`22:57.27`	`lcuk`	`I just have to remember to put it back afterwards`
`22:57.31`	`lcuk`	`its on my principle phone`
`22:57.42`	`timeless`	`incredibly common`
`22:58.04`	`lcuk`	`yup`
`22:58.16`	`timeless`	`when i went to stockholm, the wifi ap at nokia's office there was button auth`
`22:58.19`	`timeless`	`no pin`
`22:58.30`	`timeless`	`it was a royal pain to pair it`
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`22:58.45`	`timeless`	`it wasn't this specific cisco`
`22:58.50`	`lcuk`	`hmm`
`22:58.55`	`timeless`	`but the button only auth class is very common`
`22:59.09`	`timeless`	`and ime it never works the first 5 times w/ n900s`
`22:59.20`	`lcuk`	`:(`
`22:59.24`	`ShadowJK`	`button pairing was a bit odd the only time i tried it..`
`22:59.36`	`FireStorm\|`	`question, my phone was in middle of texting and it seemed to shut down screen when off etc but didn't, come back up and seemed to work ok. Now i get nothing screen is lik semi lit but nothing else any ideas?`
`23:00.09`	`lcuk`	`noctule, unsure`
`23:00.45`	`FireStorm\|`	`someone said it was common thought on the n97`
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`23:00.51`	`FireStorm\|`	`fault aswell`
`23:01.18`	`lcuk`	`FireStorm\|, is it charging at the moment?`
`23:01.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`EPARSE`
`23:01.59`	`ShadowJK`	`timeless, for me it timed out, then when i tried to connect to same ap again, it just connected`
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`23:02.25`	`timeless`	`yeah, i remember that`
`23:02.39`	`FireStorm\|`	`lcuk not plugged in no`
`23:02.45`	`FireStorm\|`	`i was out and about`
`23:02.45`	`lcuk`	`FireStorm\|, unplug the connection if so, remove the battery, reconnect it and see if it boots`
`23:02.51`	`lcuk`	`odd`
`23:02.51`	`FireStorm\|`	`done that`
`23:03.02`	`lcuk`	`even odder`
`23:03.22`	`FireStorm\|`	`left battery out for 10 misn put back in nothing`
`23:03.34`	`FireStorm\|`	`it seemed to boot up but u don't hear the nokia song u get`
`23:04.01`	`lcuk`	`DocScrutinizer, if you put it in flashing mode does it charge at same time?`
`23:04.18`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`nope`
`23:04.21`	`lcuk`	`FireStorm\|, does it show any content on the screen`
`23:04.27`	`FireStorm\|`	`nope`
`23:04.31`	`FireStorm\|`	`2 secs let me grsb iit`
`23:04.32`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`afaik not`
`23:04.46`	`FireStorm\|`	`black screen`
`23:04.54`	`FireStorm\|`	`but when u slide it open the backlight comes on`
`23:05.20`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`NOLO 'NOKIA'`
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`23:05.44`	`FireStorm\|`	`nope`
`23:05.45`	`FireStorm\|`	`nothing`
`23:05.47`	`FireStorm\|`	`get nowt`
`23:06.03`	`FireStorm\|`	`turning it on get white light`
`23:06.29`	`lcuk`	`plug it into usb and turn it on again and see if it shares files`
`23:06.58`	`ShadowJK`	`screen or backlight?`
`23:07.57`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`hw`
`23:08.28`	`tybollt`	`sigh slow sd card is ... slow :)`
`23:09.27`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`FireStorm\|: insert bat, plug in charger, watch screen in bright light for large 'NOKIA'`
`23:10.07`	`FireStorm\|`	`hmm`
`23:10.14`	`FireStorm\|`	`pluggs in via usb nothing`
`23:12.18`	`FireStorm\|`	`took battery out, put battery back in plugged in by usb charger, charging ok windows detects it`
`23:12.21`	`FireStorm\|`	`nothing on screen`
`23:12.50`	`FireStorm\|`	`black screen with black light on`
`23:13.29`	`FireStorm\|`	`:(`
`23:13.40`	`FireStorm\|`	`but when turned on orange light not flashign to say it's charging.`
`23:14.24`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`hw defect. FPC ribbon`
`23:14.32`	`FireStorm\|`	`english? hehe`
`23:16.02`	`FireStorm\|`	`fpc ribbon?`
`23:16.05`	`FireStorm\|`	`e.g it fooked?`
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`23:16.57`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`flat/flexible plastic connector. the ribbon cable connecting the 2 halves`
`23:17.29`	`kerio`	`listen to DocScrutinizer on that`
`23:17.31`	`kerio`	`he broke his`
`23:17.42`	`kerio`	`(and he's a electronic engineer - for shame!)`
`23:17.47`	`FireStorm\|`	`ah`
`23:17.50`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`or total fsckup of all NAND`
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`23:17.57`	`FireStorm\|`	`how did u fix it then DocScrutinizer`
`23:18.43`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`swap display PCB`
`23:18.58`	`FireStorm\|`	`ffs`
`23:19.11`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`but maybe it's just the plug got loose`
`23:19.13`	`FireStorm\|`	`i cracked screen and sent it back to where i got it and they changed screen would this effect it?`
`23:19.42`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`that's somewhat related`
`23:20.01`	`FireStorm\|`	`sweet`
`23:20.07`	`FireStorm\|`	`back to crapphonewarehouse it goes`
`23:21.07`	`FireStorm\|`	`just annoying nothing but problems with this phone :(`
`23:21.34`	`FireStorm\|`	`they easy to take apart?`
`23:22.33`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`basically yes. but also easy to break exactly that FPC during disassembly`
`23:22.43`	`FireStorm\|`	`ah`
`23:22.46`	`FireStorm\|`	`i'll let them do it then`
`23:22.47`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`or reassembly`
`23:22.49`	`FireStorm\|`	`it's insured`
`23:23.07`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`sure the better option`
`23:24.11`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`I'd nevertheless try a rootfs flashing prior to sending in`
`23:24.25`	`FireStorm\|`	`how would i do that?`
`23:24.46`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`as usual`
`23:24.59`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`~flashing`
`23:24.59`	`infobot`	`hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware`
`23:26.16`	`FireStorm\|`	`i can't do it though as it don't boot up?`
`23:27.41`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`flashing isn't relying on what's usually called boot`
`23:28.09`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`it depends on NOLO only`
`23:28.41`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`the bootloader`
`23:30.30`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`what's happening on indicator LED when you power up via power button, after bat insert?`
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`23:31.26`	`FireStorm\|`	`grr dam net connection`
`23:31.28`	`FireStorm\|`	`i can't do it though as it don't boot up?`
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`23:32.27`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`see chan log`
`23:33.19`	`FireStorm\|`	`i disconnected so didn't see it`
`23:33.20`	`FireStorm\|`	`:p`
`23:33.25`	`FireStorm\|`	`but u said try flashing it`
`23:33.30`	`FireStorm\|`	`and i said i can't as it don't boot up?`
`23:34.32`	`yigal`	`how long since it powered of since you attempted to start it again?`
`23:34.38`	`yigal`	`s/of/off`
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`23:35.38`	`FireStorm\|`	`urm been off 10 mins or so`
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`23:36.29`	`yigal`	`FireStorm\|: try again? Sometimes it takes a littlt while to boot up again, you are getting zero reponse from the device?`
`23:36.44`	`FireStorm\|`	`nar it goes to boot up`
`23:36.52`	`FireStorm\|`	`black screen but backlightcomes on and nothing`
`23:37.12`	`FireStorm\|`	`i was using it sending txt and it semeed to reboot but didn't. Then it come back on and seemed ok then i went to cal lsomeone and screen went off`
`23:37.23`	`FireStorm\|`	`DocScrutinizer said it's the screen cable thats at fault.`
`23:37.41`	`yigal`	`oh, he's way more knowledgable than me, most likely right then`
`23:37.52`	`FireStorm\|`	`DocScrutinizer could i plug the output cable into a screen and see what i'm doing...`
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`23:39.00`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`you can try, but AV usually also flawed by FPC break. And NOLO doesn't support AV at all afaik`
`23:39.21`	`FireStorm\|`	`bah that sucks so much`
`23:39.26`	`FireStorm\|`	`crappy nokia :p`
`23:39.57`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`you closed the slide prior to breakage?`
`23:40.36`	`FireStorm\|`	`yer`
`23:40.39`	`FireStorm\|`	`been using it all day fine`
`23:40.41`	`FireStorm\|`	`gone out`
`23:40.52`	`FireStorm\|`	`went to txt someone to tell them i was outside and then it went off screen`
`23:41.01`	`FireStorm\|`	`it was like that for few minutes then come back on and was ok`
`23:41.20`	`FireStorm\|`	`then about hour later went to call someone and it had gone off`
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`23:42.45`	`FireStorm\|`	`::::::(`
`23:43.08`	`FireStorm\|`	`grr why do the product id have to be so msall :(`
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`23:49.40`	`FireStorm\|`	`ah well cheers for help DocScrutinizer going to flash it now see what happens`
`23:50.42`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`probably nothing as you obviously got a FPC break`
`23:50.54`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`maybe not flash it`
`23:51.17`	`timeless`	`halp`
`23:51.23`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`unless you got a ssh login and saved all your data`
`23:51.26`	`timeless`	`i have a backup from pr1.1`
`23:51.33`	`timeless`	`i restored it on pr1.2`
`23:51.44`	`timeless`	`and now conversations shows no messages`
`23:51.51`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`lol`
`23:51.51`	`timeless`	`not even new outbound`
`23:52.02`	`timeless`	`or new inbound once the message is closed`
`23:52.08`	`FireStorm\|`	`i got ssh login but don't know ip addy for it`
`23:52.12`	`FireStorm\|`	`should i just leave it then`
`23:52.38`	`FireStorm\|`	`lol`
`23:53.05`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`FireStorm\|: you'd for sure be able to find correct IP from e.g. nmap or router diagnostics`
`23:53.13`	`FireStorm\|`	`thats long`
`23:53.19`	`FireStorm\|`	`as don't allways connect to wireless`
`23:53.36`	`FireStorm\|`	`i'll leave it and go to bed`
`23:53.42`	`FireStorm\|`	`as its 1am and i'm up at 6am lol`
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`23:54.05`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`if it's not configured to autoconnect then for sure you are out of uck`
`23:54.33`	`FireStorm\|`	`it is but we got multiply networks round here all open`
`23:54.38`	`FireStorm\|`	`and it's random as to what it picks up lol`
`23:54.40`	`timeless`	`anyone know how to debug rtcom eventlogger?`
`23:55.22`	`FireStorm\|`	`cheers for help DocScrutinizer51 will let ya know how i get on with it`
`23:55.30`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`and if it doesn't boot up correctly to a stage where at least kbd gives click or backlight response, then there's no way to ssh to it`
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`23:56.15`	`FireStorm\|`	`that wha i though as i run a password and when u boot up u gotta enter pass before it finsihing booting`
`23:56.19`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`FireStorm\|: good luck`
`23:56.31`	`FireStorm\|`	`thanks lol, i need it`
`23:56.49`	`FireStorm\|`	`they should do it as i've had new screen 2 weeks if that so can't see why it wuold be a problem`
`23:56.53`	`FireStorm\|`	`infact 2 weeks sat`
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`23:59.30`	`FireStorm\|`	`:0`

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