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| 00:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | run-standalone.sh ? |
| 00:06.25 | TiagoTiago | does it got a , the N900 doesn't recognize the energency number for my country.... |
| 00:06.32 | TiagoTiago | good thing this isn't an emergency |
| 00:09.17 | TiagoTiago | doesn't recognize the emergency number for Mercosul either |
| 00:11.17 | TiagoTiago | WAit, is it illegal for me to have a mobile that doesn't recognize the emrgency numbers for where i live? |
| 00:11.20 | TiagoTiago | o.o |
| 00:12.04 | Heag- | do u know is samsung galaxy s better than nokia n900? |
| 00:12.43 | TiagoTiago | based on all i know on the toipic, i would say no, but i don't know anything about samsung galaxy, so i could be wrong |
| 00:12.47 | mortini | TiagoTiago: probably depends on your local laws. |
| 00:14.56 | TiagoTiago | it's not like they're gonna reach in my pocket, reboot the device and try to dial it, and AFAIK we no where it says we must carry a cellphone with us at all times in case of emergency, so i'll probably not risk get arrested at all, but i probably shuold figure out where i need to file this bug report |
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| 00:19.53 | TiagoTiago | Shuld i go straight to Nokia or is there some place to report such issues online? |
| 00:20.51 | ieatlint | from what i recall of emergency calls on gsm, it's less about the number you call and more of a specific protocol configured at the cell tower |
| 00:21.07 | ieatlint | i would bet if you called 112 or 911 you'd get emergency services on it |
| 00:21.27 | ieatlint | but yeah, i would find a place to submit a bug report |
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| 00:21.45 | TiagoTiago | my N73 recognises 911, 112 and the local emergency number, my N900 only knows about 911 and 112 |
| 00:23.29 | TiagoTiago | so it's not somthing from the towers, unless this is another mobile phone standard the N900 ignores |
| 00:23.59 | ieatlint | no, not what i meant |
| 00:24.27 | ieatlint | i mean you call your emergency number, the phone initiates an emergency call, and the tower can route it |
| 00:24.39 | TiagoTiago | ah |
| 00:24.45 | kerio | emergency is emergency |
| 00:24.57 | ieatlint | for instance, where i live, if i call 911 in the city i get the local dispatch because the towers route 911 to them, but if i call on the motorway, i get the state police dispatch |
| 00:25.09 | kerio | you're allowed to connect to *any* cell tower, regardless of carrier |
| 00:25.12 | ieatlint | same if i call 112, or 999 |
| 00:25.25 | kerio | and there's no "number", for mobile phones |
| 00:25.36 | TiagoTiago | hm, i didn't try 999 on either device |
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| 00:25.50 | kerio | not sure if it's rapuyama that needs to know that, or the ui |
| 00:26.28 | ieatlint | well, the phone shouldn't be storing the numbers twice, so the lower level should be it |
| 00:26.40 | ieatlint | double bookkeeping is bad |
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| 00:27.38 | kerio | double bookkeeping is awesome! |
| 00:27.55 | TiagoTiago | well, it could have the international standards hardcoded plus additional parameters in a softer part of the system |
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| 00:35.51 | xae8koo | Hello |
| 00:36.26 | xae8koo | I am planning to byt a new cellphone as my Nokia N97 was stolen. Can anyone here recommen Nokia N900? |
| 00:37.21 | visz | no, get an iphone |
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| 00:40.15 | kerio | xae8koo: are you a linux user? |
| 00:40.32 | kerio | also, the n900 is not a phone |
| 00:42.26 | TiagoTiago | ~/MyDocs/.documents/Download $ javaws freenet.jnlp |
| 00:42.28 | TiagoTiago | /usr/bin/javaws: exec: line 6: /opt/icedtea6/bin/javaws.real: not found |
| 00:42.30 | TiagoTiago | can i do anythign about it? |
| 00:44.52 | xae8koo | kerio: I use Ubuntu for my laptops, becasue Debian is a hassle with the wireless cards. |
| 00:45.03 | xae8koo | visz: I'd rather burn my head |
| 00:46.58 | visz | what kerio said |
| 00:47.32 | kerio | xae8koo: expect some quirkyness and general unconsistancy of the UI |
| 00:47.33 | visz | allthough i wouldn't count n97 as a phone either |
| 00:47.44 | kerio | apart from that, it's a *great* toy |
| 00:47.50 | kerio | buy it |
| 00:48.04 | visz | no reason not to buy it |
| 00:48.09 | xae8koo | Because my N97 was stolen and the insurance money will most likley cover most of it now. |
| 00:48.38 | xae8koo | Easy Debian seems quite intresting |
| 00:48.39 | visz | if you're looking for a pocket computer |
| 00:49.16 | xae8koo | I am looking for a device with phone capabilities that I can show of to my friend who has Htc Hero and make him feel worthless. |
| 00:49.33 | xae8koo | In a kind caring way, ofcourse |
| 00:50.37 | visz | android has nice animated backgrounds |
| 00:51.20 | xae8koo | N900 doesn't? |
| 00:51.24 | xae8koo | That can be an issue |
| 00:51.34 | visz | really? |
| 00:51.37 | xae8koo | But I think N900 is bether for watching movies |
| 00:51.47 | visz | doubt that |
| 00:52.06 | xae8koo | I has a video card, and support H.264 |
| 00:52.46 | visz | why would you watch movies on such a small display? |
| 00:53.27 | TiagoTiago | what about live wallpapaers? |
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| 00:55.14 | TiagoTiago | If you know how to use it, the N900 will be the most awesome pocket thing you ever had, but if you don't, it might be annoying and even disapointing |
| 00:56.41 | xae8koo | TiagoTiago: I can get around Linux fairly well |
| 00:56.53 | TiagoTiago | then it's probably the device for you |
| 00:57.23 | TiagoTiago | it migth have a few quirks, but there is no other device on the market that can run a regular desktop distro AND work like a cellphone |
| 00:57.31 | TiagoTiago | at least not AFAIK |
| 00:58.06 | xae8koo | Can I run EVERY Debian program on it? Ofcourse if it has enough ram/cpu/graphis... |
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| 00:58.46 | TiagoTiago | no, many need to be adapted, but there are several already done |
| 00:59.02 | nox-- | do i see that right that firefox is only available via ovi store which needs a registration? |
| 00:59.15 | TiagoTiago | and you can kinda run debian with EasyDeb which i uses chroot ( know much less about these topics than you ) |
| 00:59.52 | TiagoTiago | i know much less* |
| 01:00.06 | TiagoTiago | which uses* |
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| 01:00.40 | FIQ | for me, the N900 was the device that get me to use linux more serious (before, i've just tested it "for the lulz", for example Kubuntu), even if i could the very basics of how linux works before. :p |
| 01:01.10 | xae8koo | I feel it seams great. Is the screen good? |
| 01:01.46 | kerio | xae8koo: easy debian just needs a recompile, for normal programs |
| 01:01.56 | kerio | if you want them within maemo, you kinda *have* to adapt the UI of course |
| 01:02.01 | kerio | xae8koo: it is |
| 01:02.08 | kerio | it's a bit small though |
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| 01:02.23 | TiagoTiago | 800x480 |
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| 01:02.37 | TiagoTiago | i don't know the diagonal measurement by heart though |
| 01:02.44 | xae8koo | 3,5"? |
| 01:02.44 | kerio | very high ppi count |
| 01:02.48 | xae8koo | 2,5"? |
| 01:02.54 | xae8koo | I think it was 3,5 |
| 01:03.18 | TiagoTiago | side to side the whole thing is about as long as my N73 is tall |
| 01:03.37 | TiagoTiago | there is about 1.5 centimeters that are not screen on each side |
| 01:04.17 | kerio | xae8koo: depending on the place you live, you may want to remap some keys |
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| 01:04.42 | kerio | also the battery management entity (bme) sucks |
| 01:04.55 | kerio | and some builtin nokia apps suck and are not opensourced |
| 01:04.58 | TiagoTiago | 5mp camera with Zeiss optics :) |
| 01:05.01 | kerio | and bla bla bla |
| 01:05.10 | kerio | it has its flaws |
| 01:05.24 | TiagoTiago | yeah, it's not perfect, but you're not gonna find anythign else like it out there |
| 01:05.29 | kerio | and yet, it's still better than any wannabe-smart phones |
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| 01:05.58 | xae8koo | kerio: Oh, I am Norwegian I use the "ÆØÅ" characteres |
| 01:06.02 | FIQ | national layouts exists? or do you mean remap as in improve useless key bindings? |
| 01:06.14 | kerio | FIQ: national layouts exist |
| 01:06.53 | kerio | xae8koo: what kind of linux nerd are you? :/ i'm talking about ~$&|<>[]{} |
| 01:06.57 | TiagoTiago | it's not a smartphone, its a mobile computer that has cell phone functionality |
| 01:07.15 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 01:07.42 | xae8koo | kerio: Hehe, those were fairly easy to find on my N97 |
| 01:07.47 | kerio | (those are not present by default on the italian kbd layout) |
| 01:07.56 | kerio | ymmv |
| 01:08.04 | kerio | and it will probably v |
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| 01:08.30 | xae8koo | I will call the insurance company tomorrow and tell them to hurry up |
| 01:08.35 | TiagoTiago | If Bush junior had been elected 4 yearslater we could have been in the middle of a nuclear war, Iran and N. Korea got da bomb 0.0 |
| 01:08.36 | FIQ | Ah, you meant improve useless key bindings then |
| 01:08.38 | kerio | hehe |
| 01:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, rm_you. |
| 01:09.03 | xae8koo | Has any of you used the infared port as a remote control? |
| 01:09.13 | kerio | FIQ: i have those characters intelligently mapped to shift+fn+key |
| 01:09.13 | rm_you | Hey GA |
| 01:09.17 | kerio | xae8koo: qtirreco |
| 01:09.27 | kerio | huge database of tv remotes |
| 01:09.32 | xae8koo | kerio: Does it work well? easy to configure? |
| 01:09.42 | FIQ | lags |
| 01:09.44 | kerio | (the ir port is basically just a led though) |
| 01:09.52 | FIQ | ah, i use that as well. :p |
| 01:09.59 | kerio | xae8koo: yeah, it is |
| 01:10.06 | kerio | nice ui too |
| 01:10.14 | FIQ | but just for the most critical ones |
| 01:10.16 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: in the last three months I've gotten a new job, moved into a different house, bought a car, and switched to all of my own bankiing/insurance/everything services |
| 01:10.22 | rm_you | I feel like a real adult O_o |
| 01:10.25 | kerio | could be better though - the buttons are HUUUGE |
| 01:10.40 | TiagoTiago | 'grats :) |
| 01:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, lol, congrats. |
| 01:10.41 | GeneralAntilles | What'd you buy? |
| 01:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | and when will you be a homeowner? :P |
| 01:10.51 | rm_you | 2006 Mazda3 S |
| 01:11.13 | GeneralAntilles | 6-speed? |
| 01:11.17 | rm_you | 5 |
| 01:11.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 01:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | Fun car |
| 01:11.34 | rm_you | yeah |
| 01:11.39 | FIQ | like &%|~ |
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| 01:11.59 | rm_you | was looking for a manual, but this one was an auto and a really good deal / lucky find |
| 01:12.03 | rm_you | so I went with it |
| 01:12.27 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, it's not actually manual? |
| 01:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | Too bad. |
| 01:12.33 | rm_you | nope :( |
| 01:12.38 | rm_you | but still fun |
| 01:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | My friend just did that with a 2006 Civic Sport. |
| 01:12.43 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 01:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | These days, if it aint stick, it's not for me. |
| 01:13.00 | rm_you | if i feel like being a poser I can switch it to fake-manual mode, rofl |
| 01:13.17 | rm_you | which is kind of a joke but lets me at least do things like shift properly around corners |
| 01:13.47 | GeneralAntilles | Sort of |
| 01:13.52 | TiagoTiago | e lawyer that escaped Iran is saying people should focus on the human rights stuff instead of the nuclear stuff, well, if they got the world on ranmson with nukes, it will be even harder to make changes in thigns like humans rights |
| 01:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | Mostyly it's hilariously slow and useless and shifts on its own ANYWAY. :P |
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| 01:14.37 | TiagoTiago | that is not that car that lets you decide what gear to go next beforehand and it will change when it thinks it's the right time? |
| 01:15.34 | rm_you | it will let me redline it in 1st for as long as i want (or until my transmission fluid hits some heat threshold) |
| 01:15.40 | rm_you | not that i'd want to |
| 01:15.45 | rm_you | but it doesn't seem to autoshift ever |
| 01:16.03 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 01:16.08 | rm_you | for most applications tho it's smarter about shifting than I am still (with respect to converving gas, at least) |
| 01:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | My dad's 06 Miata autoshifts. |
| 01:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, conserving gas is no fun. :P |
| 01:16.31 | rm_you | this one doesn't seem to, in my somewhat limited testing |
| 01:16.50 | rm_you | and the manual just says "if the transmission fluid overheats, it will switch back to auto mode" |
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| 01:17.08 | TiagoTiago | interesting |
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| 01:17.28 | rm_you | i guess it's kinda like having an electronic assist manual transmission? except still using a slush-box <_< |
| 01:18.04 | rm_you | better than my volvo that had "Low" and "3rd" as its alternatives to Auto |
| 01:18.23 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:18.38 | TiagoTiago | If i ever get a car, and if i can afford it, i want one of those with a CVT and computadorized torque control per wheel |
| 01:19.44 | SpeedEvil | CVT is quite lossy |
| 01:19.47 | SpeedEvil | Generally. |
| 01:19.55 | FIQ | Interesting, my battery percentage seems to have stopped at 100% |
| 01:19.55 | FIQ | I took out the charger 1h ago |
| 01:19.55 | FIQ | (not N900, i use P1i atm) |
| 01:20.05 | FIQ | don't belive the meter |
| 01:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | TiagoTiago, no you don't. |
| 01:20.27 | GeneralAntilles | CVT is the worst. |
| 01:20.29 | TiagoTiago | really? all i've heard about CVTs is they allow for the engine to run at ideal RPM regardless of speed |
| 01:20.39 | TiagoTiago | and other good stuff |
| 01:21.03 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 01:21.33 | rm_you | once this one is completely paid for (not actually too long) and then i save up a bit, I want a Lancer Evo (or maybe just a Ralliart) |
| 01:21.56 | rm_you | but i was tired of having to hit my starter with a stick when i got in my car in the morning |
| 01:22.26 | rm_you | so I got this in the meantime... a pretty decent car for a very affordable price |
| 01:22.39 | rm_you | anyway... it feels like forever since I've done Maemo-y stuff |
| 01:22.47 | TiagoTiago | how's the fuel consumption compared to the alternatives? |
| 01:23.11 | rm_you | for CVT? or for the mazda3? lol |
| 01:23.21 | TiagoTiago | yours |
| 01:23.35 | rm_you | supposedly 30 on the highway |
| 01:23.44 | rm_you | i used to get 17 on the highway with my volvo <_< |
| 01:23.46 | TiagoTiago | lol, another new mnkey species found |
| 01:23.56 | TiagoTiago | seems we might find bigfoot in this century |
| 01:24.02 | TiagoTiago | monkey* |
| 01:24.04 | rm_you | about the save as everything i looked at except honda hybrids |
| 01:24.15 | SpeedEvil | CVTs typically have moderately large radiators to cool the transmission fluid. |
| 01:24.16 | rm_you | s/save/same/ |
| 01:24.36 | SpeedEvil | This is to cool the transmission fluid, and to remove the substantial waste heat. |
| 01:24.37 | rm_you | off (or on, depending how you look at it) topic: how Meegoized are things getting around here? |
| 01:25.10 | rm_you | since i've been more or less invisible for the last few months, i feel like i must have missed a lot |
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| 01:25.18 | rm_you | i was looking at buying tickets for Dublin |
| 01:25.26 | TiagoTiago | hm, they don't got any better lubes and geometries etc yet? |
| 01:25.30 | pigeon | has anyone actually killed their n900 by overclocking yet? |
| 01:25.49 | Galg3 | hi dudes |
| 01:26.21 | TiagoTiago | the other day i tried loading the ideal profile and after half a sec of flaky responsivenes my N900 rebooted, i'll not touch overclicking again anytime soon :/ |
| 01:26.31 | TiagoTiago | overclocking* |
| 01:26.56 | pigeon | fair enough |
| 01:27.06 | Galg3 | anyone compiled fish encryption for xchat on the n900 yet ? |
| 01:27.09 | pigeon | hmm, that changes the voltage stuff right? |
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| 01:27.53 | rm_you | i'm busy being sad at lack of any working youtube client |
| 01:28.06 | rm_you | @scene looks AWESOME but hasn't worked for me yet because of youtube API changes |
| 01:28.34 | TiagoTiago | bumps the maximum clock to 850 and does somthing with the voltage, i think it also messes with the minimum voltage |
| 01:29.32 | TiagoTiago | minimum clokck* |
| 01:30.08 | TiagoTiago | clock* |
| 01:33.55 | pigeon | yeah |
| 01:34.37 | pigeon | i've tried briefly just kernel-config limits |
| 01:34.39 | nox- | where is the ir transmitter on the n900? |
| 01:34.46 | TiagoTiago | i was under the impression the ideal profile was one of the lightest ones, so if that one made my N900 reboot in less than a second, any other profile will probably summon blue smoke |
| 01:34.59 | TiagoTiago | to the right of the camera button |
| 01:35.07 | pigeon | i don't know enough about voltages myself. |
| 01:36.18 | TiagoTiago | but OC'ing is a russian roullette, some chips can handle it just fine while others get instabrick |
| 01:37.24 | TiagoTiago | and to make things even more coomplciate, some appear to handle it just fine, and then some time later they will suddenly fry, even if the OC'ing has been undone |
| 01:37.34 | TiagoTiago | complciated* |
| 01:37.38 | TiagoTiago | gah |
| 01:37.47 | TiagoTiago | i guess that means i've been awaken for too long |
| 01:39.49 | xae8koo | Have I understood this correctly. The N900 is able to run Maemo 5 programs, Symbian S60 ver 5 programs, and Debian packages (compiled for easy debian)? |
| 01:41.03 | TiagoTiago | I believe Symbian progs need to be ported, which is easier if they're made with qt |
| 01:42.03 | Galg3 | TiagoTiago u seen any chatting about fish encryption for xchat here ? |
| 01:42.16 | Galg3 | google didnt help me much |
| 01:42.25 | Galg3 | or im too tired :-) |
| 01:42.59 | TiagoTiago | there might have been, i don't remember noticing it though |
| 01:42.59 | TiagoTiago | check the chat log :) |
| 01:43.03 | Galg3 | wanna compile src on the n900 |
| 01:43.18 | Galg3 | okey |
| 01:43.37 | Galg3 | think ill go to bed first :-) |
| 01:43.41 | Galg3 | nn TiagoTiago |
| 01:43.48 | TiagoTiago | you too |
| 01:44.38 | SpeedEvil | Galg3: Fish cannot work |
| 01:44.45 | Galg3 | oh okey ? |
| 01:44.47 | SpeedEvil | Galg3: Fish is x86 asm code at the core |
| 01:44.49 | Galg3 | why not |
| 01:44.53 | Galg3 | ah okey |
| 01:44.57 | SpeedEvil | Galg3: So unless someone ports it, it won't work. |
| 01:45.06 | SpeedEvil | Well - or maybe does rthe dsbox thing |
| 01:45.07 | Galg3 | crap :-( |
| 01:45.10 | SpeedEvil | dosbox |
| 01:45.38 | Galg3 | well ill just use irssi then |
| 01:45.39 | TiagoTiago | or with qemu? |
| 01:45.41 | SpeedEvil | IIRC - from someone discussiong it a couple of months ago. |
| 01:45.48 | SpeedEvil | I could be remembering somerthing different. |
| 01:45.56 | TiagoTiago | irssi go the fish thing you're looking for |
| 01:45.58 | TiagoTiago | ? |
| 01:46.00 | TiagoTiago | got* |
| 01:46.03 | nox- | wonders why irc encryption needs to be written in asm... as if performance would be that important :) |
| 01:46.27 | TiagoTiago | XCHAT does work on the N900 already, dunno about encryption stuff with it though |
| 01:46.33 | TiagoTiago | XChat* |
| 01:46.36 | ds3 | all IRC clients needs to be able to flood sufficiently or it'll look bad ;) |
| 01:46.43 | nox- | haha |
| 01:47.10 | Galg3 | TiagoTiago ill just ssh to a irssi client , so no need to compil it on the phone |
| 01:47.11 | TiagoTiago | what do you consider "sufficient flood"? |
| 01:47.26 | TiagoTiago | there is irssi for the N900 already |
| 01:47.31 | Galg3 | yeah i know |
| 01:47.37 | TiagoTiago | ah, it lacks fish |
| 01:47.42 | Galg3 | yeah hehe |
| 01:47.42 | TiagoTiago | whjatever that is |
| 01:47.56 | Galg3 | encryption |
| 01:48.03 | Galg3 | for the chatting |
| 01:48.10 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 01:48.10 | SpeedEvil | slaps Galg3 with a trout. |
| 01:48.22 | Galg3 | SpeedEvil u know that i like thaT ?:-) |
| 01:48.24 | TiagoTiago | shard secret or somthing more like OTR? |
| 01:48.47 | TiagoTiago | he was looking for fish afterall |
| 01:48.47 | Galg3 | TiagoTiago dont want ppl too see what i do in pm and such :-) |
| 01:48.55 | Galg3 | hehe |
| 01:49.05 | SpeedEvil | Galg3: DCC chat does not go through the server |
| 01:49.48 | Galg3 | and ? |
| 01:49.57 | Heag- | is maemo like ubuntu? :) |
| 01:50.03 | Heag- | apt-get etc :D |
| 01:50.08 | TiagoTiago | to a certain extent |
| 01:52.07 | SpeedEvil | http://fish.secure.la/ |
| 01:52.17 | SpeedEvil | claims that fish soruce is avaialble for xchat |
| 01:52.31 | SpeedEvil | if this is really source, it should be mergeable into the xhat port on maemo |
| 01:53.00 | Galg3 | nah doesnt work |
| 01:53.03 | Galg3 | tried it |
| 01:53.04 | SpeedEvil | Heag-: yes - apt-get works |
| 01:53.08 | nox- | hm the only asm i see in xchat fish's is in DH1080.c and thats just an rdtsc (read timecounter) |
| 01:53.11 | SpeedEvil | Galg3: tried what? |
| 01:53.22 | Galg3 | to compile it |
| 01:53.41 | SpeedEvil | nox-: Ok - maybe the person I was recalling was confused, as I do see as imple xchat binary plugin |
| 01:53.54 | SpeedEvil | so maybe thart rwas what they were thinkin of. |
| 01:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Galg3: why doesn't it work? |
| 01:54.29 | nox- | wait it depends on miracl, have to check if that uses asm too... |
| 01:54.32 | Galg3 | hmm sorry dont remember , was a cpl of month's ago i tried |
| 01:54.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:55.04 | Galg3 | and thought i would check if there was a solution now |
| 01:55.23 | nox- | hm theres an arm.txt in miracl |
| 01:55.41 | nox- | talks about building a c-only library |
| 01:55.45 | Galg3 | tried to load the precompiled binarys for linux , but didnt work :-) |
| 01:55.59 | SpeedEvil | qemu-lib would be intreresting |
| 01:59.18 | TiagoTiago | when isntalling stuff, if given an option, it's better to put it inside /opt, correct? |
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| 02:00.39 | pigeon | hmm, weird, there's nothing really using the cpu, but the current freq is 500 |
| 02:00.58 | TiagoTiago | did you isntall the power kernel? |
| 02:01.02 | pigeon | freq range is default 125-600 |
| 02:01.03 | pigeon | yeah |
| 02:01.17 | TiagoTiago | it blocks 125 and 250 i think |
| 02:01.24 | pigeon | avoid frequencies: 125 |
| 02:01.35 | pigeon | hmm |
| 02:01.42 | pigeon | according to kernel-config show anyway |
| 02:01.50 | TiagoTiago | when the device really is iddle it goes to 0 instead of the low clocks that use more energey than they should |
| 02:02.00 | TiagoTiago | i think |
| 02:02.17 | Galg3 | so you get better battery capacity ? |
| 02:02.33 | TiagoTiago | i thinkt hat is the idea |
| 02:02.43 | Galg3 | iju |
| 02:02.45 | Galg3 | oki |
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| 02:04.04 | TiagoTiago | but you shouldn't be taking my word on it, i'm quite a newbie in the matters |
| 02:04.13 | pigeon | oh right, i'm reading the overclocking page on the wiki, usb plugged means locks to 500 |
| 02:04.27 | pigeon | minimum, that is. |
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| 02:22.18 | TiagoTiago | tripple nine also doesn't get recognized as an emergency number |
| 02:25.13 | yigal | Anyone know if the size on the offline Wikipedia dumps are for the compressed or uncompressed size, given http://dumpathome.evopedia.info/dumps/finished ? |
| 02:28.04 | yigal | because if it's just the compressed file then uncompressed 8GB could be 160GB which won't fit on 32GB. |
| 02:29.18 | TiagoTiago | should i be considering trying to figure out how to make http://gitorious.org/blocksnet run on my N900? |
| 02:32.31 | yigal | is your work using it? |
| 02:33.35 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 02:34.31 | TiagoTiago | I'm just looking for a multiplatform thing that will allow me to share significant amoutns of data betweeen my computer and my N900 even over the internet, kinda like DropBox, but with less restrictions |
| 02:34.45 | yigal | git |
| 02:34.48 | yigal | ? |
| 02:34.57 | yigal | rsync, ssh |
| 02:35.11 | TiagoTiago | even if one of the devices is not online at the moment |
| 02:36.10 | TiagoTiago | like with DropBox |
| 02:36.48 | rm_you | i suppose "make your computer always be online" isn't an acceptable solution? :P |
| 02:36.57 | TiagoTiago | i wish |
| 02:38.28 | rm_you | anyone know if there is a way to get to text messages stored on my SIM? (from my old phone) |
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| 02:38.42 | rm_you | can i import them or something? |
| 02:38.50 | TiagoTiago | is your old phone a Nokia? |
| 02:38.54 | rm_you | no |
| 02:39.27 | rm_you | i thought texts stored on SIM were standard tho, like contacts? |
| 02:39.56 | rm_you | just don't know if there is actually an option to import them (can't even find importing for contacts anymore but i know i did it originally) |
| 02:40.18 | TiagoTiago | I've been told the N900 doesn't follow all standards commonly avaiable on regular mobiles |
| 02:42.31 | zeltak | g'night guys..anyone know how to use the "alt" key on maemo (needed when sshing into my server)> |
| 02:43.24 | TiagoTiago | only some |
| 02:43.41 | TiagoTiago | toggle it in the terminal bar? |
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| 02:45.08 | zeltak | TiagoTiago: how do you "toggle" it? |
| 02:45.54 | TiagoTiago | oh oh |
| 02:47.03 | TiagoTiago | i remember seeing it there, it was in a menu in the left side of the barr int he bottom, i brought up the terminal now and couldn't find it :( |
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| 02:50.41 | zeltak | gotcha :) |
| 02:51.29 | TiagoTiago | i think there is a thread somewhere in tmo about customizing the terminal shortcut bar |
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| 02:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | fish - pffff |
| 02:54.07 | nox- | whats the `real' solution? :) |
| 02:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | like sending postcards with invisible ink |
| 02:54.17 | nox- | haha |
| 02:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: a private channel? with key? |
| 02:54.34 | TiagoTiago | OTR? |
| 02:55.00 | nox- | ah otr yeah, if it works on irc too |
| 02:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: DCC, ssh to a private server and use talk? even ssh from one client to the other? |
| 02:55.34 | TiagoTiago | should work for one on one convos |
| 02:56.04 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, :) |
| 02:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | would I use advertisment poster space to communicate to one other person in privacy? |
| 02:57.01 | TiagoTiago | ou were a spook perhaps |
| 02:57.10 | TiagoTiago | if you were* |
| 02:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | I know of a dude who did excel all his life. He programmed an editor, each cell one char, with linewrap, insert and all |
| 02:57.43 | nox- | so Galg3 now you know :) |
| 02:57.52 | nox- | (i think it was you who asked?) |
| 02:58.04 | nox- | haha DocScrutinizer |
| 02:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | what I want to say: if you want to communicate unnoticed, the don't use a system that is designed for public chat from first to last byte |
| 02:58.50 | xnt14 | TiagoTiago, you can customize the terminal's tab bar? |
| 02:59.10 | TiagoTiago | i think saw a thread about that in tmo, i don't remember any details though |
| 02:59.15 | xnt14 | searches |
| 02:59.27 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 02:59.38 | xnt14 | why does my chromium window keep on disappearing? :P |
| 02:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | qualifier keys like alt never worked for me, even when customized to xterm toolbar |
| 02:59.57 | TiagoTiago | but some people don't mind others knowing they are talking, they just don't want them to know what they are saying |
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| 03:00.26 | nox- | so now way to have alt on n900? |
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| 03:00.49 | xnt14 | nox-, remap keyboard? |
| 03:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: yes, I also sometimes prefer not to hear what somebody is saying |
| 03:01.16 | nox- | xnt14, ah that works? |
| 03:01.30 | TiagoTiago | stick your fingers in your earholes and sing lahalahlah very loud |
| 03:01.46 | xnt14 | nox-, hmm, apparently... - http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html |
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| 03:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters |
| 03:03.19 | nox- | thx :) |
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| 03:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: nah, I'm fine with all the way it is. It's just I don't get why somebody would think about how to use a secret code when shouting across the market square. There are quite obviously better ways to do that |
| 03:05.02 | TiagoTiago | perhaps they wanna rub on toher people's faces they aren't part of the convo? |
| 03:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet your next post is with a ? at end |
| 03:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | hah knew it |
| 03:05.27 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: /join #openmoko-devel :-P You know, we engineers are talking about megasecret secrets in this secret channel, since so long it's secret I can't tell you :-P |
| 03:07.49 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | and no fish around there |
| 03:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | fish is BS and nonsense |
| 03:09.05 | nox- | bbl |
| 03:09.07 | TiagoTiago | there gotta be an encryption system for chatting that for third parties appear to be just two chatbots locked in debate |
| 03:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | fo rnoobs who think they look geek that way |
| 03:09.49 | xnt14 | TiagoTiago, hmm, how would that work... |
| 03:10.08 | xnt14 | I remember there was a proof-of-concept twitter botnet... |
| 03:10.23 | TiagoTiago | chatbots often speak weirdly, msgs would be encoded in variations on the weirdness |
| 03:10.26 | xnt14 | basically normal twitter messages and hash tags controlled the botnet |
| 03:10.39 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 03:10.48 | xnt14 | !burn something |
| 03:10.51 | xnt14 | err |
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| 03:10.59 | xnt14 | ~burn something |
| 03:10.59 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over something, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 03:11.06 | xnt14 | how is that weird? :P |
| 03:11.09 | TiagoTiago | perhaps emulating ELIZA by repeating certain parts of previous msgs, which parts are repated would also encode more data |
| 03:11.18 | xnt14 | googles |
| 03:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | so I gather TiagoTiago has to be a chatbot ;-P |
| 03:11.26 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:12.18 | TiagoTiago | i've met several turing drop outs, and even once doubted a human was not a bot, but i'm do'nt remember ever being compared to one while chatting naturally |
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| 03:13.28 | xnt14 | brb |
| 03:13.29 | TiagoTiago | though i do recognize somtimes the style of my prose might be considered non-normal, and even awkward |
| 03:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | and kinda floody |
| 03:14.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: tell the key! |
| 03:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | l? |
| 03:14.48 | luke-jr | nope |
| 03:15.58 | TiagoTiago | i use lots of words, explain myself attempting to not leave a doubt, and insist on providing corrections on many errors the readers would likelly deduce themselves, i guess i don't feel confortable when i can't be sure other people are keeping up with me nor when there is even a slight chance they will think my spelling and grammar skills are worse than they really are |
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| 03:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | qed |
| 03:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | but... how is that related to /topic ? |
| 03:17.37 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: /join #yandere |
| 03:17.38 | TiagoTiago | wasn't it you that brought it up? |
| 03:18.06 | TiagoTiago | what's there lu? |
| 03:18.13 | TiagoTiago | ernm what happened witht he tab? |
| 03:18.25 | TiagoTiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.25 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: I ate your tab key |
| 03:18.29 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: IRC game |
| 03:18.32 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:18.35 | luke-jr | more appropriate for random rambling |
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| 03:18.58 | TiagoTiago | oh, isee |
| 03:19.11 | luke-jr | because we can lynch you if it's annoying |
| 03:19.14 | TiagoTiago | well, when people touch on topic topics, i do restrain myself here |
| 03:19.29 | TiagoTiago | or at least i try to |
| 03:22.44 | xae8koo | I am almost sure now, I want an N900 |
| 03:24.40 | TiagoTiago | see? no one is saying anything, so random talk right now wouldn't interfere with any on topic convos |
| 03:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | it's interfering with my nerves when reading backscroll |
| 03:25.25 | TiagoTiago | I see |
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| 03:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | and, btw, those silence periods tend to be much more frequent and prolonged after some user stopped talking OT monolog. Probably because everybody turned away |
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| 03:27.39 | TiagoTiago | 've seen them happen when on topic convos died out as well |
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| 03:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | another useful post |
| 03:28.44 | TiagoTiago | that was an reply to somthing you said |
| 03:28.53 | xnt14 | hmm |
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| 03:28.58 | xnt14 | g2g - sleep |
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| 03:29.17 | xnt14 | night |
| 03:30.56 | ieatlint | haha, there's a package called liblongcat for maemo.. |
| 03:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 03:31.27 | ieatlint | not sure what it does, just saw it on an upgrade list |
| 03:31.57 | ieatlint | "A base plugin for writing accounts plugins, which makes it easier and needs less code." |
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| 04:19.37 | archebyte | hi |
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| 04:20.50 | archebyte | I have a n00b question about the maemo5 kernel. |
| 04:20.58 | SpeedEvil | shoot |
| 04:21.17 | sobczyk | hi, I'm trying to send files through BT to my pc but it always fails, I have a second cellphone and it works |
| 04:21.19 | archebyte | where is it located ? I am looking for a zImage file. right? |
| 04:21.40 | archebyte | I mean on the N900.. |
| 04:22.22 | sobczyk | it displays connection error: <my pc name> and that's all... |
| 04:23.06 | SpeedEvil | archebyte: /dev/mtd0p? |
| 04:25.19 | archebyte | SpeedEvil: hmm.. I have several mtd??? entries but no mtd0p.. |
| 04:25.55 | archebyte | I am basically trying to run kexec and want to specify the kernel as a parameter.. |
| 04:30.25 | sobczyk | ok now I see it can be my pc problem.... |
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| 04:31.41 | SpeedEvil | archebyte: why? |
| 04:32.22 | archebyte | trying out Meego: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/kexec |
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| 04:32.36 | SpeedEvil | cat /proc/mtd |
| 04:32.41 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.00 | archebyte | SpeedEvil: thnx. will give that a shot! |
| 04:40.09 | archebyte | The N900 just turned black..probably off. after the kexec -e :) |
| 04:41.44 | archebyte | will battle it again tomorrow. thanks! |
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| 04:47.41 | iluminator101 | hey when i connect my n900 to ubuntu it does not show documents folder |
| 04:48.28 | iluminator101 | i see dcim drive mapper etc |
| 04:48.38 | iluminator101 | documents is not showen? |
| 04:49.15 | iluminator101 | i just want to transfer some files from ubuntu to n900 documents folder thats all ? |
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| 04:51.39 | xae8koo | IS there a way to use the N900 as a 3G hotspot? A free way... |
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| 04:53.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 04:53.50 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/ |
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| 07:08.58 | trip0 | rest easy ladies and gents, nobdy 0.0.3 is now in maemo extras |
| 07:09.08 | trip0 | err, extras-devel |
| 07:09.10 | trip0 | :P |
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| 07:37.21 | astruasdh | my n900 is loosing the signal very often. In such cases I enter in offline mode, and then to the normal mode again, and the signal appear. is there some workaround for this problem? |
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| 07:44.28 | ShadowJK | i think you've discovered the workaround |
| 07:45.08 | astruasdh | hehe |
| 07:45.54 | astruasdh | my n900 started to show a "no sim card" alert... I put a folded paper between the sim card holder and the battery, and this alert stopped |
| 07:45.59 | astruasdh | but now I'm with this one |
| 07:46.33 | korhojoa | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.57 | astruasdh | hahaha |
| 07:49.02 | astruasdh | ya |
| 07:49.26 | astruasdh | the problem of the signal is not the phone stuff... but the 3g associated hehe |
| 07:50.03 | MiXu-_ | My suggestion would be backup + reflash |
| 07:50.17 | MiXu- | reflashing seems to make the device faster too |
| 07:50.21 | astruasdh | I'm planning change to a company in which I unlimited use the 3g |
| 07:50.29 | astruasdh | what is reflash? |
| 07:50.45 | MiXu- | reinstalling the firmware |
| 07:51.02 | astruasdh | hmmm so I install a new firmware? |
| 07:51.07 | MiXu- | You need to reinstall all the software after that but it's quite easy to do if you have the backup |
| 07:51.39 | MiXu- | That's what I would do. Another option is that you take it to service and have them do it for you. |
| 07:51.44 | astruasdh | MiXu-, no problem... I have few apps installed |
| 07:51.59 | astruasdh | hehe |
| 07:52.22 | astruasdh | to reflash I need to download a more recent firmware, is it? |
| 07:52.37 | MiXu- | https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Windows |
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| 07:52.46 | astruasdh | ty! |
| 07:53.06 | astruasdh | MiXu-, the updated that sometimes appear to do touches the firmware? |
| 07:53.15 | MiXu- | It's all there, but make sure you read it all first. There's always a risk with flashing. |
| 07:53.41 | MiXu- | Although I've done it a hundred times (not exaggerating) and haven't had problems. |
| 07:53.52 | astruasdh | got it |
| 07:54.09 | astruasdh | MiXu-, is it possible to know if now I have the most updated firmware? |
| 07:55.03 | MiXu- | yeah, you can check it by pressing *#0000# in dialre |
| 07:55.05 | MiXu- | *dialer |
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| 07:55.50 | MiXu- | If I recall correctly the newest is 2010.19-something |
| 07:55.52 | BluesLee | how do i tell the mediaplayer to play a saved playlist from terminal? |
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| 07:58.10 | astruasdh | ty |
| 07:59.34 | astruasdh | MiXu-, V 10.2010.19-1.002 |
| 07:59.58 | astruasdh | do I need to reflash even in this case that I have the newest version? |
| 08:00.16 | MiXu- | Ok, that's the newest one then. You should download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
| 08:00.43 | astruasdh | hmmmm |
| 08:00.53 | MiXu- | There's the download link in the wiki |
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| 08:04.15 | astruasdh | ty |
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| 08:07.43 | astruasdh | MiXu-, do u think it could be some contact problem of my sim card? maybe I need to put a bigger paper... |
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| 08:08.53 | MiXu- | It is possible. I don't know how the device reacts if the sim card comes loose while it's running. |
| 08:09.13 | MiXu- | But the fact that offline -> online cycle fixes it suggests something else is wrong |
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| 08:09.27 | MohammadAG51 | i've been having sim problems |
| 08:09.41 | MohammadAG51 | turns out sim cards in jordan are shit, shove a paper in there |
| 08:09.44 | MiXu- | At least for me the sim fits pretty tightly. If yours is really loose, then it's possible that more paper would help :) |
| 08:10.06 | MohammadAG51 | i have two layers on the sim |
| 08:10.20 | astruasdh | haha |
| 08:10.30 | astruasdh | did u put the paper inside the sim card holder? |
| 08:10.48 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, on the non-contact part of course |
| 08:11.01 | MiXu- | I'd use some tape instead of paper but it's your call :) |
| 08:11.06 | MohammadAG51 | put the paper on the holder then slide it |
| 08:11.06 | astruasdh | MiXu-, if this is a firmware problem, the reflash will solve even if I have the newest firmware? |
| 08:11.23 | astruasdh | MohammadAG51, worked? |
| 08:11.33 | MohammadAG51 | MiXu-, tape might go bad if the device gets hot |
| 08:11.45 | astruasdh | I put the paper between sim card holder and battery |
| 08:11.48 | MiXu- | astruasdh: Yes it's possible. I had an issue with the device not ringing on incoming calls. That was fixed with a reflash. |
| 08:11.50 | MohammadAG51 | astruasdh, yeah, doesn't cross out the sim anymore |
| 08:11.51 | MiXu- | MohammadAG51: True |
| 08:12.30 | astruasdh | MohammadAG51, I used to have a "no sim card" icon... before puting the paper, it stoped... but now I have no signal hehe |
| 08:12.45 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, same problem here |
| 08:12.48 | astruasdh | ops, after put |
| 08:13.02 | MohammadAG51 | i used to answer calls, then it would drop them 2 minutes later |
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| 08:13.06 | MohammadAG51 | or half a minute |
| 08:13.18 | MohammadAG51 | which pissed me off, since it would reconnect in 5s |
| 08:13.23 | kerio | astruasdh: disabling and reenabling the phone does a search |
| 08:13.25 | astruasdh | do u still have the sinal problem? |
| 08:13.32 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 08:13.39 | kerio | same as changing frequencies |
| 08:13.39 | astruasdh | kerio, I'm working around with offline/normal mode |
| 08:13.45 | MohammadAG51 | sometimes reloading the sim module works |
| 08:14.01 | astruasdh | but the problem is that I dont know the time |
| 08:14.20 | MohammadAG51 | ssi_mcsaab_imp.ko afaik |
| 08:14.21 | astruasdh | my cellphone stay in my pocket... and I notice sometimes when I will talk |
| 08:14.36 | astruasdh | MohammadAG51, try to offline-mode and normal mode again |
| 08:14.38 | astruasdh | this works for me |
| 08:15.00 | MohammadAG51 | well it's fixed now, just put a paper on the sim, quick easy fix |
| 08:15.02 | astruasdh | I was thinking in writing some app to monitor the signal... if it drops, do the offline/normal modes |
| 08:15.17 | astruasdh | MohammadAG51, 2 layers? |
| 08:15.20 | MiXu- | Hmm. Okay I think I might know what the issue is. It's possible that it's actually a cellmo crash. Offline/normal cycle helps with that. |
| 08:15.52 | MiXu- | I've had some of those when using packet data in places where network is very bad. |
| 08:16.08 | MiXu- | Like while driving and listening to netradio |
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| 08:16.30 | astruasdh | what is cellmo? and is it possible to fix it? |
| 08:16.37 | MiXu- | cellular modem |
| 08:17.45 | MiXu- | If you have crash reporter installed it should let you know when it happens |
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| 08:23.06 | MohammadAG51 | astruasdh, actually, 1 bent into 2 ;) |
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| 08:25.31 | astruasdh | MohammadAG51, done haha |
| 08:26.00 | astruasdh | I'll try with a 2 layer paper over the sim before reflashing it |
| 08:26.08 | astruasdh | if it fails, I'll reflash |
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| 08:27.25 | MohammadAG51 | what's the best way to set up a personal repo? |
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| 08:37.57 | astruasdh | MohammadAG51, dunno |
| 08:38.02 | astruasdh | have to go now |
| 08:38.05 | astruasdh | cya! ty guys! |
| 08:42.29 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: just a repo or builder as well? |
| 08:42.44 | MohammadAG51 | repo, that's enough for me |
| 08:43.30 | jacekowski | well, i'm using reprepro |
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| 09:35.41 | VoltageX_ | Hi, can someone tell me how telepathy-idle (IRC for Conversations screen) works? |
| 09:36.51 | RST38h | works somehow. |
| 09:37.08 | Proteous | magic? |
| 09:39.29 | VoltageX_ | I am unsure how to make it join channels |
| 09:39.53 | VoltageX_ | an IRC option appears now in all my contacts on my N900 |
| 09:40.22 | RST38h | it does not join channels |
| 09:40.30 | RST38h | only lets you communicate via /msg |
| 09:40.34 | VoltageX_ | :| |
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| 09:40.51 | VoltageX_ | runs apt-get remove |
| 09:41.02 | pillar | hey is it possible to |
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| 09:42.35 | pillar | oops .. to see windows shares on n900? I'm looking for an easy way to transfer files wirelessly back to my pc |
| 09:42.41 | jacekowski | upnp |
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| 09:42.55 | jacekowski | but yes |
| 09:43.02 | jacekowski | samba can do it in easy debian |
| 09:43.09 | jacekowski | and iirc there was native app as well |
| 09:43.27 | jacekowski | but it may be simpler to do it over scp from pc |
| 09:43.30 | pillar | native app would be nice, haven't used easy debian |
| 09:44.01 | pillar | jacekowski: yeah, but I'm looking at a scenario when I'm not at the computer |
| 09:44.14 | timoph|away | or if you have ssh-server running on the device you can use scp. winscp in case of windows |
| 09:44.24 | jacekowski | try apt-get install samba |
| 09:44.27 | jacekowski | should work |
| 09:45.13 | pillar | depends: update-inetd but it is not installable |
| 09:47.31 | jacekowski | what about wizard-mounter |
| 09:48.51 | pillar | that looks insteresting |
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| 10:01.05 | VoltageX_ | if I have extras-testing enabled, but I want to pull a specific package from extras, what's the correct thing to pass to apt-get -t *release* packagename |
| 10:01.42 | MohammadAG | -t? |
| 10:01.54 | MohammadAG | apt-get install packagename=versionnumber |
| 10:02.23 | VoltageX_ | on debian it would be apt-get -t stable packagename |
| 10:02.47 | MohammadAG | I doubt anyone updates the changelog so it has stable instead of unstable |
| 10:03.20 | VoltageX_ | no as in, stable, testing, unstable, experimental |
| 10:04.05 | MohammadAG | I know, but afaik those are defined in the changelog |
| 10:04.26 | MohammadAG | I doubt anyone follows standards |
| 10:04.31 | VoltageX_ | they are defined in the package system |
| 10:04.42 | VoltageX_ | as in extras, extras-testing and extras-devel |
| 10:04.51 | MohammadAG | never seen that, you could try :) |
| 10:05.34 | VoltageX_ | packagename=version worked |
| 10:05.54 | VoltageX_ | but I've used -t for temporary pinning on debian proper, there must be an equivalent in Maemo |
| 10:06.31 | MohammadAG | not sure, you could ask X-Fade |
| 10:06.59 | VoltageX_ | damn, now fmradio is really broken |
| 10:07.27 | VoltageX_ | upgraded to devel by accident - the UI is broken. downgraded to extras, and now it doesn't start |
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| 10:08.27 | MohammadAG | wow, IMAP is slow on modest |
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| 10:11.04 | jacekowski | hmm, is it imap that's a problem? |
| 10:11.20 | jacekowski | i was always thinking that it's modest problem in general |
| 10:12.04 | MohammadAG | I think it's modest |
| 10:12.12 | MohammadAG | I've never used IMAP before, only used Nokia Messaging |
| 10:12.21 | MohammadAG | (afaik that uses IMAP too, but it has a plugin on its own) |
| 10:16.29 | alterego | Strange, found the icon "camera_vide_pause" but the camera app doesn't allow you to pause video, (something I find kind of annoying) :/ |
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| 10:22.40 | VoltageX_ | note to self, do not use batttest -b 0 |
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| 10:30.27 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 10:30.28 | MohammadAG | dpkg: error processing phone-control (--configure): |
| 10:30.28 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.52 | RST38h | 0xFF |
| 10:33.45 | MohammadAG | can someone please try to install phone-control from the repos? 0.2-3, postinst and postrm fail on my device, but they work on scratchbox |
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| 10:35.25 | BluesLee | hi there |
| 10:36.06 | BluesLee | can someone tell me how i tell the mediaplayer to start a saved playlist from command line? |
| 10:37.29 | crashanddie | BluesLee: probably through dbus |
| 10:37.54 | alterego | BluesLee: it's a couple of dbus messages. |
| 10:38.06 | alterego | use dbus monitor and the media player to see which ones. |
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| 10:38.37 | BluesLee | crashanddie: i know that but the playlist seems to be hidden, maybe in the mafw sql database |
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| 10:40.05 | BluesLee | i want to use MohammadAG's script with desktop command widget for easy connecting and playing resp stopping using a headset |
| 10:40.19 | BluesLee | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 10:40.23 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 10:40.25 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 10:40.47 | BluesLee | hi, thanx for the script which makes live easier |
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| 10:40.55 | MohammadAG | you're welcome :) |
| 10:40.59 | MohammadAG | does it install fine btw? |
| 10:41.07 | BluesLee | yes |
| 10:41.12 | MohammadAG | hmm, my N900's f'd then |
| 10:41.34 | BluesLee | you mean the latest version? |
| 10:41.45 | MohammadAG | yeah, and the one before |
| 10:41.54 | BluesLee | i installed it 4-5 hours ago |
| 10:41.56 | MohammadAG | they didn't install on my device, they installed fine on scratchbox |
| 10:42.09 | MohammadAG | mind checking if the new one works? |
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| 10:42.24 | BluesLee | 0.1 |
| 10:42.33 | BluesLee | sure, one moment |
| 10:43.07 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: should i upgrade or re-install the package? |
| 10:43.19 | MohammadAG | upgrade |
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| 10:43.25 | MohammadAG | heya lcukn900 |
| 10:43.26 | RST38h | Anyone ever got subtitles working in the Media Player? I mean, ANYONE at all? |
| 10:43.31 | RST38h | moo lcuk |
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| 10:44.38 | alterego | Hrm, I wonder how I'm supposed to process +/- key presses in QML .. |
| 10:44.49 | MohammadAG | check wiki? |
| 10:45.05 | lcukn900 | hey |
| 10:45.19 | RST38h | you are not supposed to program in QML. you are supposed to program in C++. |
| 10:46.12 | alterego | Why have key press event mechanisms then? ... |
| 10:46.27 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: upgrade works |
| 10:46.40 | RST38h | alterego: megalomania. |
| 10:46.49 | MohammadAG | oooh crap, my N900's borked then |
| 10:47.05 | alterego | I just want to do it for prototyping :P |
| 10:47.09 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: playing a track with the mp gives me additional logs? something like "method return sender= ..." |
| 10:47.14 | alterego | I guess it's almost time for me to move it into a proper project thoug |
| 10:47.17 | alterego | ~though |
| 10:47.20 | MohammadAG | BluesLee, dbus replies |
| 10:47.34 | MohammadAG | I could filter them out I guess |
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| 10:48.31 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: i have a question though which should be possible with your script |
| 10:48.43 | MohammadAG | shoot |
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| 10:50.19 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: i want to use it in connection with the desktop command widgte or queenbee doing following: if bt is off -> turn it on, sleep 15 s, in the meantime i turn on my headset, start playinf a playlist with the mediaplayer |
| 10:50.58 | MohammadAG | hmm, there isn't a way to start playing a playlist afaik |
| 10:51.15 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: if bt is on -> stopp mediaplayer, turn it off |
| 10:51.21 | BluesLee | hmm |
| 10:51.38 | MohammadAG | I could be wrong, I'm not a dbus person :P |
| 10:51.45 | MohammadAG | pokes alterego |
| 10:51.58 | BluesLee | i could switch to an alternative player but i dont know if it would support my headset |
| 10:52.18 | MohammadAG | doesn't pulseaudio route audio to a headset |
| 10:52.28 | BluesLee | okay |
| 10:52.32 | MohammadAG | i.e all audio should be routed? |
| 10:52.41 | MohammadAG | don't have a BT headset (yet), so can't test :) |
| 10:53.05 | kerio | bt headset should mean everything is routed |
| 10:53.22 | kerio | hmm, bt headset + fm transmitter should allow for music + call |
| 10:53.32 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: how should the option --mp-resume work? |
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| 10:53.36 | kerio | actually, bt headset + normal speaker should |
| 10:53.45 | BluesLee | thats fine |
| 10:54.00 | MohammadAG | --mp-resume? resumes a paused song afiak |
| 10:54.01 | kerio | it *should*, i don't know if it does |
| 10:54.14 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: it resumes the song but i cant see the media player |
| 10:54.33 | MohammadAG | it's not supposed to open the media player |
| 10:54.51 | kerio | ideally you should |
| 10:54.53 | kerio | er |
| 10:55.00 | MohammadAG | (same signal is passed by the desktop widget) |
| 10:55.08 | kerio | you should be able to play different songs to different audio outputs |
| 10:55.15 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: it would be enough if i could do it manually from command line and then resume with your script |
| 10:55.50 | BluesLee | opening media player + resume, in that case i dont need playlists |
| 10:56.30 | BluesLee | kerio: i will try out media center or alternatives |
| 10:57.54 | BluesLee | how i start the mediaplayer from command line?:-) |
| 11:00.37 | MohammadAG | hmm, sec |
| 11:01.19 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"mediaplayer" |
| 11:01.25 | MohammadAG | could be added as a parameter I suppose |
| 11:01.40 | MohammadAG | i.e phone-control --mp-resume launch |
| 11:01.50 | BluesLee | would be fine |
| 11:01.58 | MohammadAG | k, adding it now |
| 11:02.08 | BluesLee | i will check the combination "opening mp" + resume with script |
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| 11:04.44 | BluesLee | looks good |
| 11:06.11 | lcuk | meow RST38h |
| 11:09.01 | BluesLee | neverthless the mediaplayer doesnt seem to be intelligent enough, i have playlist of several songs, when i exit the mediaplayer and resume it doesnt show me the latest used playlist, it shows me only the latest song |
| 11:09.27 | BluesLee | it played |
| 11:09.53 | alterego | Working on my own photo viewer and camera app: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/imaging/Screenshot-20100814-120409.png |
| 11:10.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, simulate multitouch to zoom |
| 11:10.26 | MohammadAG | god I'm an ass :P |
| 11:10.46 | lcuk | +++++ no complaints there MohammadAG :P |
| 11:10.49 | alterego | I've decided to do the viewer, because I want to include geolocation and tagging contacts in images. |
| 11:10.50 | BluesLee | alterego: good idea with transperancy! |
| 11:10.50 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 11:11.09 | alterego | BluesLee: those widgets also fade in and out when you're not touching the screen. |
| 11:11.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, on a more serious note, are you using fcam? |
| 11:11.16 | lcuk | ooooh alterego i like your button glyph |
| 11:11.20 | lcuk | can I borrow it? |
| 11:11.21 | MohammadAG | fcam's api that is |
| 11:11.27 | alterego | MohammadAG: on an equally serious note, yes I am :P |
| 11:11.46 | alterego | lcuk: it's pure qml |
| 11:11.55 | MohammadAG | alterego, and on a less serious note, does it have xenon? |
| 11:12.02 | lcuk | alterego, where is the background coming from? |
| 11:12.03 | BluesLee | i hope someone puts all the fcam stuff together in one big app |
| 11:12.08 | lcuk | semi translucent etc |
| 11:12.43 | MohammadAG | is liking the looks of this |
| 11:12.55 | alterego | lcuk: http://pastie.org/1091916 |
| 11:13.08 | alterego | That's the QML code, should be easy to convert that to SVG |
| 11:13.18 | lcuk | dont need svg |
| 11:13.31 | alterego | Basically it's just a single rectangle, 10 pixel rounded corners and a gradient background |
| 11:14.24 | alterego | With 60% opacity :) |
| 11:16.05 | lcuk | ta alterego |
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| 11:16.10 | lcuk | look at these 2 |
| 11:16.16 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png |
| 11:16.16 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100805_010741.portraittest_cover_label1_dialog.scr.png |
| 11:16.56 | lcuk | for why I am asking about that button :) |
| 11:18.03 | alterego | Well, sure, you can use the button :) |
| 11:19.05 | lcuk | :) |
| 11:19.29 | alterego | Oh, that's nice :) |
| 11:19.42 | alterego | (had some inital problems looking at the links. |
| 11:20.07 | alterego | "SOLAR CELL" paahahaha :) |
| 11:20.57 | lcuk | alterego that solar cell is the only bit that works atm :$ |
| 11:21.06 | alterego | I was thinking of putting specular shading like you have in the second link, but I couldn't make it look good enough last night. I might try again at somepoint. |
| 11:21.07 | lcuk | pressing finger over it makes the screen dim :P |
| 11:21.15 | alterego | Hahah |
| 11:21.20 | alterego | Oh, fun :) |
| 11:21.23 | lcuk | the first buttons have shading too |
| 11:21.27 | lcuk | just very subtle |
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| 11:22.19 | alterego | You need a proper LCD like display so you can do the little pranks as a kid, boobless and stuff when you turn it upside down :) |
| 11:22.32 | BluesLee | mediacenter looks great |
| 11:23.09 | alterego | At the moment the image in my viewer mockup is "flickable" for panning. |
| 11:23.10 | BluesLee | but it doesnt interplay with my bt headset controls bh-214 |
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| 11:23.49 | alterego | Gonna integrate it with my C++ app to add zoom buttom support and proper image loading etc. |
| 11:24.17 | lcuk | wrote 55378008 and 71077345 as first things :$ |
| 11:24.20 | alterego | And then I'm gonna do the geolocation and contact tagging. |
| 11:24.31 | alterego | :) |
| 11:25.09 | alterego | If I get really adventurous, I might add auto contact tagging using avatar images :x |
| 11:25.13 | lcuk | alterego, pleased to see a close button on the bottom for a change |
| 11:25.37 | alterego | I'm thinking of removing that ... |
| 11:25.51 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:26.28 | lcuk | its in the wrong place still anyway ;) thats the accept location |
| 11:27.02 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:27.03 | lcuk | alterego, |
| 11:27.04 | alterego | I might do it on its own, top left (just icon) |
| 11:27.07 | MohammadAG | wonders how to get volume level |
| 11:27.10 | lcuk | how would you make that rectangle green? |
| 11:27.16 | lcuk | ie |
| 11:27.16 | alterego | MohammadAG: dbus |
| 11:27.20 | MohammadAG | yeah, how :P |
| 11:27.24 | lcuk | you have instance, and it sets it own color inside |
| 11:27.33 | lcuk | but what if (like in my calc sense) |
| 11:27.37 | lcuk | you wanted a greeen version |
| 11:27.39 | MohammadAG | apparently it's not dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume |
| 11:27.43 | lcuk | would you have to make new instance |
| 11:27.48 | lcuk | errr new definition |
| 11:27.53 | lcuk | for green_rectangle? |
| 11:28.10 | lcuk | or can you assign the color of it after you create it? |
| 11:28.14 | alterego | lcuk: I'd just change the red component of the color values to geen |
| 11:28.30 | lcuk | you manually? |
| 11:28.36 | lcuk | recurse through object? |
| 11:28.42 | lcuk | or set a stylesheet property? |
| 11:28.51 | alterego | explicitly through id |
| 11:28.54 | lcuk | one recurse per object you want to tint? |
| 11:29.06 | lcuk | so if i have 10 buttons (like calculator) |
| 11:29.13 | lcuk | that need to be different colors |
| 11:29.24 | alterego | I'll be working on dynamic colours/themes in a bit |
| 11:29.30 | lcuk | yeah |
| 11:29.37 | alterego | You basically just want three or four bitmaps of different colours thoug hdon't you? |
| 11:29.41 | lcuk | at the moment, the color/tint of the buttons on my calc |
| 11:29.43 | alterego | (you're not using QML like me) |
| 11:29.49 | lcuk | I just set the backcolor, it applies a tint |
| 11:29.57 | lcuk | to the nice overlay glyph |
| 11:30.09 | lcuk | no, its 1 glyph |
| 11:30.14 | lcuk | that gets colorised |
| 11:30.18 | lcuk | so if the glyph is missing |
| 11:30.22 | lcuk | the UI still works |
| 11:30.25 | alterego | Ah, well, convert to greyscale, then apply an overlay with the tint |
| 11:30.39 | lcuk | (remember, for ages original liqbase just had buttons with a color and a title |
| 11:31.06 | lcuk | ie my crap looking buttons |
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| 11:32.19 | jacekowski | is it skinnable? |
| 11:32.19 | lcuk | alterego, so in qml |
| 11:32.37 | MohammadAG | wtf is subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 about :( |
| 11:32.54 | RST38h | does not like you |
| 11:33.10 | lcuk | jacekowski, look here |
| 11:33.23 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png |
| 11:33.28 | alterego | Well, in QML I'm going to just edit the colours programmatically through ID association |
| 11:33.30 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100805_010741.portraittest_cover_label1_dialog.scr.png |
| 11:33.36 | alterego | jacekowski: were you talking to me? |
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| 11:33.45 | jacekowski | not in last 5 minutes |
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| 11:34.27 | lcuk | alterego, if I create an instance of Rectangle |
| 11:34.29 | alterego | Just wondering about the skinning question :P |
| 11:34.33 | lcuk | and set its backcolor |
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| 11:34.46 | lcuk | can it do the overlay thing you mentioned internally |
| 11:35.02 | kerio | why are you writing another calculator? |
| 11:35.06 | kerio | what's wrong with python? |
| 11:35.08 | alterego | Not sure what you mean by "internally" |
| 11:35.15 | lcuk | so the mere act of creating a RoundRect (better name) could have one with nice border color applied |
| 11:35.24 | alterego | kerio: this is lcuk you're talking about, he's all about the reinventing wheels :P |
| 11:35.34 | kerio | reinventing *ugly* wheels |
| 11:35.39 | kerio | i keed, i keed |
| 11:35.42 | kerio | it's beautiful |
| 11:35.43 | alterego | Besides, it's not like anyone has done a calc for his platform :P |
| 11:37.09 | lcuk | kerio, alterego - its not a calculator |
| 11:37.12 | lcuk | its a solar panel |
| 11:37.22 | lcuk | :) |
| 11:37.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:37.27 | kerio | oh, the calculator is just the thing that makes it possible? |
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| 11:39.32 | lcuk | alterego, to explain, can you just paste a little bit of the code where you create instances of your Rectangle class please |
| 11:39.37 | alterego | lcuk: well, the "Rectangle" element in QML has a border attribute |
| 11:39.44 | alterego | And a radius for rounding attribute |
| 11:40.27 | alterego | Okay, hang on |
| 11:41.04 | lcuk | morning VDVsx \o |
| 11:41.10 | alterego | lcuk: how is this going to help you btw? :P |
| 11:41.14 | alterego | If you're not using QML? |
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| 11:41.30 | lcuk | alterego, its going to help explain a question I would like to ask you |
| 11:41.35 | smhar | it's been a long time since claws-mail been updated for maemo, any one knows why? it is possibly the only usable mail client -for me at least |
| 11:41.37 | VDVsx | lcuk, hello, hows life ? :D |
| 11:41.43 | alterego | Okay |
| 11:41.58 | lcuk | life is a little fuzzy this morning. |
| 11:42.06 | lcuk | drank lots last night |
| 11:42.11 | lcuk | and tried to watch "Brazil" |
| 11:43.13 | VDVsx | lcuk, same here :P, but I'm fine, no fuzziness |
| 11:43.49 | frals | whats the weather like in HEL today VDVsx? |
| 11:44.07 | lcuk | hey frals |
| 11:44.17 | VDVsx | frals, darkish, more storms coming it seems |
| 11:44.47 | frals | VDVsx: ah, so i made the correct move going to stockholm with +30 and sun ;) |
| 11:44.49 | frals | o/ lcuk |
| 11:44.59 | lcuk | haha |
| 11:45.00 | pigeon | hmm, there's nothing i can do to fix a flash that doesn't work on the n900 (microb) right? |
| 11:45.09 | RST38h | heya VDVsx, what's new and exciting development-wise? |
| 11:45.16 | MohammadAG | pigeon, what do you mena |
| 11:45.17 | MohammadAG | mean* |
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| 11:45.18 | VDVsx | frals, true, still hot here, but the sun is a bit shy today |
| 11:45.33 | VDVsx | RST38h, cocoa :P |
| 11:45.44 | pigeon | MohammadAG: like... the flash plugin is closed source... and i don't have the source for the flash either... |
| 11:46.04 | MohammadAG | k, I know that |
| 11:46.27 | user_ | hi. i am trying to use the application manager to upgrade maoemo on my N900 and it silently fails. is there something i am doing wrong? |
| 11:46.40 | lcuk | pigeon, contact Kevin Lynch and ask him to release it. he is sitting on his hands on an update. |
| 11:47.00 | lcuk | http://nokia-n900.com/flash-player-10-1-on-nokia-n900/ |
| 11:48.14 | pigeon | hmm |
| 11:48.19 | user_ | is it safe to use apt to upgrade maemo? |
| 11:48.25 | alterego | lcuk: http://pastie.org/1091940 |
| 11:48.35 | MohammadAG | user_, E: Handler Silently Failed? |
| 11:48.37 | alterego | lcuk: I just implemented the theming engine for you for that example :P |
| 11:48.41 | lcuk | user_, " to upgrade maoemo on my N900 " You just made my tongue fall out |
| 11:48.50 | alterego | lcuk: As the colours were actually hard coded into my ToolButton class before. |
| 11:48.57 | lcuk | try saying "maoemo" out loud |
| 11:49.07 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:49.31 | lcuk | alterego, that still does notlet me ask question |
| 11:49.32 | RST38h | VDVsx: Don't tell me you have joined the cult =) |
| 11:49.41 | alterego | lcuk: what's the question then? :P |
| 11:49.45 | lcuk | can you paste the bit where you would make 2 instances of toolbutton |
| 11:49.50 | MohammadAG | for handler silently failed, you need a haxxored apt package |
| 11:49.57 | user_ | ugh.. |
| 11:49.59 | lcuk | i want to see how you declare them |
| 11:50.03 | MohammadAG | now I'm not sure if this is legal... cough, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb oops |
| 11:50.13 | alterego | lcuk: that pastie is how I declare one. |
| 11:50.22 | VDVsx | RST38h, no just kidding, never touched that thing :D |
| 11:50.23 | lcuk | slaps you with a rotten trout |
| 11:50.25 | MohammadAG | user_ ^ |
| 11:50.29 | alterego | Copy and paste it, then change the "color" property to something else. |
| 11:50.37 | RST38h | VDVsx: uffff |
| 11:50.42 | frals | user_: long press on the update -> details |
| 11:50.43 | user_ | MohammadAG: thanks..is it worth trying an apt upgrade first? |
| 11:50.51 | lcuk | alterego, but that does not create a Rectangle within it |
| 11:51.03 | MohammadAG | user_, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:51.14 | lcuk | so thats not the same thing |
| 11:51.52 | alterego | lcuk: no, my "ToolButton" class defines three rectangles, the attributes in that pastie are routed to either the rectangle that does a colour overlay (color), or the rectangle that does just the border overlay (border.{color,width}) |
| 11:51.55 | user_ | MohammadAG: i see maemo in the updates section of my application manager and clicked on it. i have never upgraded maemo on this device. |
| 11:52.09 | MohammadAG | oh, then don't use my package |
| 11:52.25 | MohammadAG | thought you were trying to update an ovi store package |
| 11:52.31 | user_ | no.. |
| 11:52.51 | lcuk | alterego, then where in the second definition do you tell it that ToolButton is a subclass of Rectangle? |
| 11:52.56 | user_ | i would simply like to upgrade maemo yet cannot. |
| 11:53.14 | lcuk | because at the moment there is no context and I cannot understand what you are showing me |
| 11:53.22 | lcuk | you showed rectangle |
| 11:53.23 | alterego | lcuk: ToolButton is an "Item" with three child rectangles. |
| 11:53.27 | lcuk | then you showed toolbutton |
| 11:53.34 | alterego | lcuk: http://pastie.org/1091946 |
| 11:53.42 | alterego | That is the source/definition for "ToolButton" |
| 11:54.15 | user_ | what is the future of Maemo btw? i hear a lot of speculative talk that it's about to merge into an intel project. |
| 11:54.38 | lcuk | bingo alterego - and now it makes sense! |
| 11:54.46 | alterego | lcuk: :) |
| 11:54.48 | lcuk | thanks, that was the missing linkup :P |
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| 11:55.25 | VDVsx | user_, "about to merge" lol: http://meego.com/ |
| 11:55.35 | alterego | lcuk: Well, you just asked me how _I_ declare instances of my class :P |
| 11:55.41 | lcuk | yeah I did |
| 11:55.49 | alterego | You should have asked for the class definition :P |
| 11:55.49 | lcuk | but I tohught you were going to continue with Rectangle |
| 11:55.55 | lcuk | so the connection was lost |
| 11:56.03 | lcuk | you had already given a definition! |
| 11:56.06 | lcuk | of Rectangle |
| 11:56.10 | alterego | No, sorry. I didn't realize you wanted another "definition" |
| 11:56.15 | lcuk | I was wondering how you used it |
| 11:56.16 | alterego | Yeah, that was a mock up :P |
| 11:56.23 | lcuk | nods |
| 11:56.57 | lcuk | ok |
| 11:57.26 | alterego | Next I need to make the transition for when you press it and release your finger change the colour and not just brightness. |
| 11:57.29 | lcuk | so, in the definition of Toolbutton, is there a constructor area? so that I could do some custom stuff |
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| 11:57.33 | alterego | (For added customizability) :) |
| 11:58.05 | lcuk | like recurse and set colors based on variation of the single "color" property to all the member branches of ToolButton |
| 11:58.07 | alterego | lcuk: qml is declarative, so I'm not sure what you mean "Constructor stuff" |
| 11:58.29 | alterego | You shouldn't need to |
| 11:58.35 | lcuk | so there is no active code viable, its entirely pre determined? |
| 11:58.40 | alterego | That example you said wasn't what you were looking for. |
| 11:58.44 | lcuk | never say never.. :P |
| 11:58.45 | alterego | No, hang on. |
| 11:59.17 | lcuk | right, you have OnPressed: handler |
| 11:59.21 | lcuk | is there an OnCreate: |
| 11:59.23 | lcuk | or something |
| 11:59.24 | alterego | Yeah, ignore all that ;) |
| 11:59.31 | lcuk | and so I could run some JS or something |
| 11:59.35 | alterego | lcuk: there is, I'm not sure you need it |
| 11:59.44 | alterego | lcuk: yeah there is, don't know off hand, hang on |
| 11:59.45 | lcuk | curiosity |
| 11:59.50 | lcuk | :) |
| 12:00.03 | alterego | lcuk: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativejavascript.html |
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| 12:00.12 | alterego | On that page somewhere :P |
| 12:00.35 | lcuk | yeah, I see |
| 12:01.18 | lcuk | I might want to set the border color to the inverse of the back color (for instance) |
| 12:01.30 | lcuk | without having to manually assign 2 different properties at design time |
| 12:01.47 | alterego | lcuk: http://pastie.org/1091948 |
| 12:01.56 | lcuk | so would just use some javascript to do flipping in the OnCreate |
| 12:01.58 | alterego | That creates three buttons, red, green and blue |
| 12:02.07 | alterego | (in a row) |
| 12:02.14 | lcuk | yes |
| 12:02.16 | lcuk | :) |
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| 12:02.40 | alterego | Not sure what you want the javascript init stuff for, you just declare your interface like that. |
| 12:02.54 | alterego | Once you've done all your buttons in the grid, then it's all done right? |
| 12:02.55 | lcuk | so, like I said |
| 12:03.08 | lcuk | if I wanted the bordercolor of a toolbutton to be the Complement color |
| 12:03.09 | alterego | You can access these properties from C++ if that's what you mean. |
| 12:03.14 | lcuk | ie, inverse of |
| 12:03.18 | lcuk | the backcolor |
| 12:03.20 | alterego | You can dyncamilly change them in C++ |
| 12:03.26 | lcuk | this is qml though? |
| 12:03.26 | alterego | Oh, okay. |
| 12:03.29 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:03.40 | alterego | QML objects are accessible directly in C++ as QObjects |
| 12:03.58 | alterego | QDeclarativeItem objects to be exact I think .. |
| 12:03.59 | lcuk | yes but that implies that a c++ app started it |
| 12:04.08 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:04.10 | lcuk | what if I just ran the qml itself |
| 12:04.14 | lcuk | as data |
| 12:04.33 | alterego | Yeah, you'd need to rely on JavaScript |
| 12:04.40 | lcuk | nods |
| 12:05.01 | lcuk | can I create new widgets stored as a proper binary .so file? |
| 12:05.08 | lcuk | plugins |
| 12:05.29 | alterego | You can write widgets in C++ for QML yeah :) |
| 12:05.35 | lcuk | so that sometimes where needed I can have Toolbutton replaced by specific fully compiled c++ ToolButton |
| 12:05.51 | lcuk | nice |
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| 12:06.43 | alterego | Yeah, I'm doing something similar with my GPS app, porting these custom widgets to QML: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-235011.png |
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| 12:07.14 | lcuk | that is a lovely layout btw :) |
| 12:07.26 | user_ | ahah to upgrade maemo you need Windows? i have five computer, none of them with this OS.. |
| 12:07.38 | alterego | lcuk: in landscape: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-145415.png |
| 12:07.43 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 12:07.44 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:07.46 | lcuk | although the alignment on the bottom indicator values needs to be sorted |
| 12:08.03 | lcuk | the captions and the data are not lined up |
| 12:08.10 | user_ | SpeedEvil: cheers.. |
| 12:08.19 | Angelion | hungry |
| 12:08.23 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 12:08.52 | alterego | lcuk: you know, I hadn't noticed the vertical alignment is screwed :/ |
| 12:08.58 | lcuk | ;) |
| 12:09.00 | BluesLee | MohammadAG: can you add an option to your script to "kill" the mediaplayer via a dbus command? |
| 12:09.06 | alterego | I guess it's default top aligned and not v centered. |
| 12:09.09 | alterego | I'll have to fix that. |
| 12:09.19 | MohammadAG | killing the mediaplayer isn't a smart move |
| 12:09.29 | MohammadAG | killing the GUI keeps the backend running |
| 12:09.36 | alterego | indeedly |
| 12:09.42 | alterego | You can stop it using dbus though :) |
| 12:09.49 | BluesLee | i mean that |
| 12:09.50 | MohammadAG | true, but it still is running |
| 12:10.00 | BluesLee | therefore i wrote "kill" |
| 12:10.03 | alterego | It's always running |
| 12:10.05 | BluesLee | clean kill |
| 12:10.12 | alterego | Well, mafw stops after idle I thought .. |
| 12:10.14 | MohammadAG | kill != clean kill :) |
| 12:10.15 | alterego | Which stop will cause |
| 12:10.37 | SpeedEvil | alterego: you sure that's right - vdop/hdop values look very high |
| 12:10.55 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_precision_%28GPS%29 |
| 12:11.00 | BluesLee | i think i am fine with the default mp, mediabox doesnt support my bt headset control buttons, so ... |
| 12:11.14 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I was inside? :) |
| 12:11.38 | SpeedEvil | k - just checking |
| 12:11.45 | BluesLee | alterego: you mean i should stop it and then kill the gui? |
| 12:11.56 | alterego | BluesLee: well, yes that would work |
| 12:12.20 | BluesLee | okay |
| 12:12.36 | BluesLee | this dbus stuff is very interesting |
| 12:12.37 | Angelion | BluesLee what is gui ? |
| 12:12.59 | BluesLee | Angelion: default mediaplayer |
| 12:13.42 | SpeedEvil | stabs maemo dbus docs. |
| 12:15.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:15.38 | BluesLee | i bet there is dbus command to check if bluetooth is turned on or not |
| 12:15.40 | BluesLee | :-) |
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| 12:18.08 | BluesLee | is there a more complete doc than http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
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| 12:21.10 | SpeedEvil | Many things you can't do with dbus |
| 12:21.22 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the above is a user contributed doc. |
| 12:21.25 | alterego | Like easily do anything? |
| 12:22.42 | alterego | lcuk: I'm gonna try and compress it all into two rectangles, I've got a feeling QML will apply the unform color to a gradient with alpha elements on the colours. |
| 12:22.51 | alterego | So I can get rid of the colour underlay |
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| 12:24.56 | alterego | Though, I'm replacing it with another rectangle for a background shadow. |
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| 12:43.19 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Don't forget the live overlay of the sky on that. :) (sun/moon/venus/...) |
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| 12:47.43 | SpeedEvil | Is there such a thing as a FTP sharing plugin that can upload directly to your FTP site without going through any third party? |
| 12:49.36 | flux | I would like to have a generic sharing plugin, that simply runs your-shellscript.sh file-to-be-shared |
| 12:49.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 12:50.02 | SpeedEvil | I was just thinking about typing that out. |
| 12:50.05 | flux | should be dead-easy to customize into doing anything.. although I suppose an ftp/sftp/http push uploader wouldn't be bad either. |
| 12:50.38 | SpeedEvil | I want for example a drawing app. I have a lot of postit notes. |
| 12:51.22 | SpeedEvil | I want to be able to scribble on a postit note, take a picture, upload it, in about a couple of button pushes to get to a resized to 640*480 uploaded postit on mywebsite/postit.jpg |
| 12:52.30 | ieatlint | i recently looked at the api for that... it's not difficult |
| 12:53.31 | SpeedEvil | Go for it! I would love you forever. Well - quite like you for at least 12 minutes. |
| 12:53.48 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I was going to do luner phases and sun/moon position :P |
| 12:54.00 | SpeedEvil | alterego: :) |
| 12:54.10 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRPa0GhxGUs - completely unrelated to anything. |
| 12:54.32 | alterego | Hahah |
| 12:55.47 | ieatlint | uh, i should probably actually go to bed rather than write code |
| 12:56.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 13:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Afternoon. |
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| 13:15.05 | RST38h | Hmm...lcuk iz zero-terminated |
| 13:15.20 | RST38h | He must be a string. A C string. |
| 13:19.46 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:20.22 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# update-sudoers |
| 13:20.22 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/sudoers |
| 13:20.22 | MohammadAG | cat: can't open '/etc/sudoers': No such file or directory |
| 13:20.29 | MohammadAG | must've broken something |
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| 13:22.16 | alterego | I'd say .. |
| 13:23.20 | MohammadAG | reboots |
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| 13:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | his last words |
| 13:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | no good idea to reboot when /etc/sudoers is missing |
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| 13:54.32 | zash | oh shit |
| 13:54.38 | crashanddie | well, I don't really care about sudoers, it's the fact other crap may have gone missing :P |
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| 14:25.49 | KageSenshi | ugh .. i think i gotta reflash my n900 again .. "Internal error.Application 'Contacts' closed" every few seconds .. >.< |
| 14:27.26 | MohammadAG | or reboot |
| 14:27.38 | KageSenshi | MohammadAG, already tried that |
| 14:28.25 | KageSenshi | suddenly happens a few hours ago .. and i didnt install anything since yesterday .. |
| 14:28.35 | KageSenshi | not quite sure what i did |
| 14:28.36 | KageSenshi | >.< |
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| 14:45.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: did you try testing the sip call again? |
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| 14:53.05 | c3l | I just found maemo when I was looking for a new phone, and I have to admit that I came when I saw the N900 and maemo, but what im wondering now is if the N900 will continue to be The device for maemo for some time in the future, or is it worth waiting some time for a newer and improved device? sorry if this quiestion is a bit malplaced, but I didnt know where to go :) |
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| 14:54.24 | ShadowJK | Nobody knows when the next device is arriving |
| 14:54.33 | ShadowJK | and then it'll be called MeeGo |
| 14:54.33 | SpeedEvil | There will neverr be a new maemo device. |
| 14:54.38 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 14:54.45 | SpeedEvil | I love my n900. |
| 14:55.18 | MohammadAG | I'd buy another N900 |
| 14:55.20 | woodong50__ | n900 is wonderful more than iphone? |
| 14:55.38 | MohammadAG | depends |
| 14:55.49 | SpeedEvil | For some, yes. |
| 14:55.52 | MohammadAG | if you want rock band on a 600MHz device, get an iPhone |
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| 14:56.46 | trumee | if you want to make sip calls get an android not N900. |
| 14:57.10 | MohammadAG | hmm, weird, I make sip calls on the N900 |
| 14:57.21 | MohammadAG | tried gizmo5 and skype |
| 14:58.41 | trumee | MohammadAG: sip calls are quite choppy here. Can gizmo5 integrate well in N900? |
| 14:58.54 | barisione | is there a proper way to ask for a reboot after installing a package? |
| 14:59.33 | MohammadAG | barisione, yes |
| 15:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | sudo reboot |
| 15:00.08 | MohammadAG | no |
| 15:00.17 | MohammadAG | XB-Maemo-Flags: reboot |
| 15:00.22 | barisione | DocScrutinizer: not what people want :) |
| 15:00.26 | barisione | MohammadAG: cool, thanks |
| 15:00.33 | MohammadAG | in debian/control |
| 15:00.47 | MohammadAG | _BUT_ I doubt fapman checks for it |
| 15:00.51 | MohammadAG | apt-get doesn't |
| 15:01.11 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, actually, it wont be. |
| 15:01.16 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, thank goodness. |
| 15:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: no, didn't do further tests |
| 15:01.47 | ShadowJK | GAN900, they changed their mind on calling maemo6 meego? |
| 15:02.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ok, whenever you have time. i will appreciate your feedback. |
| 15:02.39 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, apparently. |
| 15:02.55 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, although nobody's said what they're actually going to call it. |
| 15:03.02 | barisione | MohammadAG: âSpecifying this flag will reboot the device cleanly after the package has been installed. Also, all applications will be closed before installation and a suggestion is given to the user to make a backup.â :( |
| 15:03.03 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 15:03.20 | barisione | I just want a reboot so that the policy configuration can be reloaded :( |
| 15:03.29 | barisione | well, I will have to implement it by myself |
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| 15:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: call rebot in psotinstall script |
| 15:14.22 | barisione | I cannot reboot without warning the user |
| 15:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 15:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: call reboot in postinstall script |
| 15:14.50 | tobis87 | Hi! I had a hell of a time reflashing my n900, I should note for the future to not mess around with kernel modules that much. |
| 15:14.52 | tobis87 | Anyway am I the only one who doesn't like the default touchscreen directions? I mean, is it not possible to invert the direction the screen moves, like for a mousewheel? |
| 15:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | for warning the user there are dbus notifications |
| 15:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | something like dialogyesno |
| 15:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | but that's probably a PITA to use over dbus from a script |
| 15:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | zenity is easy, but alas no default pkg |
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| 15:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: but whatever, why are you unhappy with the way XB-Maemo-Flags:reboot is supposed to work? It sounds rather sane |
| 15:22.43 | tobis87 | If this would be an option or a varible inside a hildon library, would this affect all programs globally? Or how is this set? I dumped the hildon settings with gcontool-2 and looked inside xorg.conf. |
| 15:23.50 | barisione | DocScrutinizer: it seems to be something used for system updates and asks for a backup, et.c |
| 15:23.52 | barisione | *etc. |
| 15:24.14 | barisione | I just need to tell the user that rebooting is a good idea (or ringtoned will work, but the audio will freeze for a couple of seconds) |
| 15:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | so suggesting a backup is a sensible thing. Why do you think it interferes with what you plan to do? |
| 15:25.25 | tobis87 | I have no idea, why did they choose to do it this way? I also miss the possibility to use the sidebar inside the file dialog to scroll up and down quicker. |
| 15:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | telling user about something is easily established by calling dbus notifier |
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| 15:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: |
| 15:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | (form postinstall) |
| 15:27.55 | MohammadAG | how do I say in sh lang |
| 15:28.00 | MohammadAG | if osso-xterm is running, wait |
| 15:28.06 | MohammadAG | when osso-xterm exits, do |
| 15:29.23 | c3l | okay no one knows when a new maemo (meego?) device is comeing, but are any under development or planned? maybe that knind of information isnt available for the general public |
| 15:29.48 | MohammadAG | we = general public :) |
| 15:29.48 | barisione | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 15:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 15:30.15 | ShadowJK | I don't think even the people at inten/nokia working on MeeGo know when next device comes |
| 15:30.35 | barisione | c3l: for nokia I can surely tell that it's not their policy to tell it in advance unless is ready |
| 15:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there's wait and ps and killall |
| 15:30.51 | barisione | *tell you |
| 15:31.11 | c3l | MohammadAG: yeah ;) but I don't know what the general public knows, ive been looking around but i havent found anything, so Im wondering if Im missed something, or maybe no news have been released regarding new devices |
| 15:31.37 | SpeedEvil | No news. |
| 15:31.44 | SpeedEvil | No news of any upcoming noia device. |
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| 15:31.59 | c3l | barisione: oh, thanks. I've never used nokia so I dont know how they do it, yet ;) |
| 15:31.59 | MohammadAG | Lies, there's the N8 :P |
| 15:32.31 | ShadowJK | N8 is symbian though |
| 15:32.42 | c3l | so I guess its safe to go for the N900 then, happily it has become alot cheeper since release =) |
| 15:32.43 | MohammadAG | he didn't specify device type |
| 15:33.00 | c3l | I did; maemo :) |
| 15:33.25 | c3l | or meego, is that what the next version will be called, or is it something different? |
| 15:33.47 | MohammadAG | I'm just being an ass :P |
| 15:33.59 | ShadowJK | personally my own guess is "paper release" of a new device for christmas, but I have nothing to base that on :) |
| 15:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wait `pidof osso-xterm`; <anything> |
| 15:34.39 | ShadowJK | MeeGo is Maemo and Moblin merged, Maemo6 is probably a hybrid of Maemo and MeeGo.. |
| 15:35.04 | c3l | that means the device is at least, what.. a year into the future. I cant wait that long to get rid of my iphone := |
| 15:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or maybe: while killall osso-xterm; do sleep 1; done # if you want to actively terminate it |
| 15:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: a hybrid of maemo and a hybrid then |
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| 15:38.10 | ShadowJK | c3l, what kind of background do you have? Why is Maemo looking appealing to you? |
| 15:41.29 | GAN900 | November/December would be my guess for the planned date. |
| 15:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:41.43 | GAN900 | tobis87, which way is that, exactly? |
| 15:41.55 | GAN900 | tobis87, and just flick quickly to scroll quickly. |
| 15:42.26 | ShadowJK | quickly and repeatedly seems to speed it up alot |
| 15:42.26 | c3l | ShadowJK: its debian based (and behaves like linux, opposed to the other linux based phone OS's like android), its basically a computer in my pocket, just what Ive been looking for :) |
| 15:42.42 | ShadowJK | ah :) |
| 15:43.21 | zash | c3l: how much does that change with meego? |
| 15:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: admittedly scrolling long lists from one end to the other can get annoying |
| 15:44.24 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's pretty good about going quickly if you flick quickly. |
| 15:44.31 | ShadowJK | well MeeGo is a new distro not based on debian anymore, but it's "standard linux" type still, not linux_kernel+newstuff like android |
| 15:44.41 | c3l | zash: I dont know whats the difference is between maemo and meego.. the reason why Im asking if there'll be a new device out soone superceding the n900 id rather wait some time and get the lates - more powerful and developed device |
| 15:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: tobis87: I don't get the idea of "to invert the direction the screen moves" |
| 15:44.57 | ShadowJK | also flick more before it starts slowing down, and it just goes faster and faster |
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| 15:46.03 | c3l | ShadowJK: isnt that the most common reason for why people use maemo? or are there alot "nongeeky" users? ;) |
| 15:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: are you referring to pragma "drag paper" vs pragma "drag window across fixed papaer" |
| 15:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 15:46.16 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, nor I. |
| 15:46.25 | ShadowJK | c31: yes there are alot of nongeeky users too |
| 15:46.28 | tobis87 | I mean if I swipe the screen with my finger down, the screen moves up. |
| 15:46.43 | tobis87 | I mean the content of the screen |
| 15:46.51 | tobis87 | moves up |
| 15:46.57 | GAN900 | tobis87, think for it like pulling a piece of paper around. |
| 15:46.59 | BCMM | c3l: maemo and another distro called moblin are merging, and the resulting project is called meego |
| 15:47.04 | luke-jr | c3l: uhhh |
| 15:47.27 | luke-jr | c3l: learn how Nokia does "it" before you buy anything |
| 15:47.58 | BCMM | c3l: it will still be a proper linux distro with glibc and xorg |
| 15:48.10 | BCMM | iirc it will use rpm instead of deb |
| 15:48.25 | luke-jr | c3l: Maemo/MeeGo are not phone OS at all. They are Linux-derived, but not Linux-compatible nor GNU, and only "Debian-based" in that Maemo used .deb packages (MeeGo uses RPM) |
| 15:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: yes, there are both concepts. Anyway the "move the paper" concept seems much more common nowadays |
| 15:48.46 | luke-jr | c3l: N900 is a multifunction device, but not so great if you want a pocket computer |
| 15:48.57 | tobis87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.08 | BCMM | luke-jr: what do you mean by "not Linux-compatible"? |
| 15:49.21 | luke-jr | BCMM: you can't run Maemo userland with a normal Linux kernel |
| 15:49.33 | GAN900 | tobis87, you'll get used to it. |
| 15:49.37 | BCMM | luke-jr: oh, why not? |
| 15:49.46 | luke-jr | BCMM: it requires non-standard kernel hacks |
| 15:49.55 | Ford_Prefect | What hacks? |
| 15:50.13 | ShadowJK | in MeeGo the policy is to have drivers upstreamed :) |
| 15:50.30 | BCMM | luke-jr: i mean obviously, the phone app and so on require special hardware, but do you mean to say that the maemo version of xchat wouldn't compile unmodified on any other ARM-based linux distro? |
| 15:50.35 | luke-jr | yeah, MeeGo is a big step forward, except using RPM |
| 15:50.51 | BCMM | (for example) |
| 15:50.54 | luke-jr | BCMM: it wouldn't, but that wasn't my point |
| 15:51.01 | BCMM | well what was your point? |
| 15:51.11 | luke-jr | BCMM: that you can't just download Linux and run Maemo with it |
| 15:51.22 | c3l | luke-jr: what should I go for if I want a pocket computer, Id like to be able to make calls with it too |
| 15:51.28 | BCMM | luke-jr: also, what did you mean by "not gnu"? |
| 15:51.38 | BCMM | it's has a normal glibc... |
| 15:51.43 | luke-jr | BCMM: that when Nokia abandons N900, you're stuck with the last kernel they released |
| 15:51.48 | luke-jr | BCMM: no, it doesn't. |
| 15:52.01 | luke-jr | double-checks |
| 15:52.07 | GAN900 | luke-jr, maybe not with the MeeGo-on-N900 efforts. |
| 15:52.33 | BCMM | luke-jr: why will i be stuck with the last kernel nokia releases? |
| 15:52.59 | BCMM | luke-jr: isn't there already an alternative kernel binary (compiled with different options) in extras? |
| 15:53.12 | luke-jr | GAN900: for now |
| 15:53.13 | Ford_Prefect | luke-jr: it does have glibc, and there are some binary blob drivers for the graphics and gsm modem (and wireless and battery management as I understand from the conversation yesterday) |
| 15:53.17 | ShadowJK | it's the same kernel version though |
| 15:53.21 | luke-jr | BCMM: different options is the same version |
| 15:53.28 | tobis87 | GAN900: I have to, but It would still be nice if there is workaround for it. |
| 15:53.37 | luke-jr | BCMM: glibc is just one small part of GNU |
| 15:53.40 | BCMM | luke-jr: loads of linux distros have slightly modified kernels |
| 15:53.43 | luke-jr | BCMM: and not user-noticable |
| 15:53.51 | luke-jr | BCMM: this isn't slightly modified |
| 15:54.00 | luke-jr | BCMM: and most normal Linux distros work with unmodified ones |
| 15:54.02 | BCMM | luke-jr: oh, you mean not coming with teh full set of coreutils by default |
| 15:54.04 | Ford_Prefect | luke-jr: helps if you have actual details on what is user-noticeable |
| 15:54.11 | BCMM | but there is a package for them... |
| 15:54.17 | luke-jr | Ford_Prefect: Maemo uses BusyBox |
| 15:54.41 | luke-jr | the key point is that it is not a pocket computer |
| 15:54.43 | c3l | luke-jr: what did you mena by n900 not being a good choise for a pocket computer? |
| 15:54.44 | Ford_Prefect | luke-jr: just about every embedded device out there does. Nothing stops you from installing coreutils and other things you want. |
| 15:54.53 | luke-jr | if that's what someone wants, they will most likely be disappointed |
| 15:54.56 | BCMM | luke-jr: you seem to be saying that a few propriatary hardware drivers make it not count as a linux kernel |
| 15:55.02 | luke-jr | c3l: the keyboard is terrible, for one |
| 15:55.15 | BCMM | luke-jr: what changes have been made to the kernel, other than adding drivers? |
| 15:55.17 | luke-jr | BCMM: proprietary drivers are illegal, and not part of N900's kernel |
| 15:55.35 | luke-jr | BCMM: non-standard userland APIs required by Maemo are added |
| 15:55.41 | luke-jr | that will NEVER be supported in mainline |
| 15:55.43 | BCMM | it's not like there has been major messing-around with core bits of the kernel like on Android |
| 15:55.53 | luke-jr | BCMM: with Maemo, there has been |
| 15:55.58 | BCMM | luke-jr: APIs added to the kernel? |
| 15:56.00 | luke-jr | that's one problem to be fixed with MeeGo |
| 15:56.19 | c3l | luke-jr: it is?:( ive read its nice, havent gotten a cahnce to try it out though, will do that as soon as possible. but are there any better alternatives for a pocket computer that can act as a phone? |
| 15:56.38 | Ford_Prefect | c3l: depends on what you mean by pocket computer |
| 15:56.47 | luke-jr | c3l: not that I've experienced personally |
| 15:57.07 | luke-jr | c3l: N810 was slightly better, but it doesn't have the cellular hw |
| 15:57.17 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: The use of html emails is also more common nowadays, but it is still messed up. |
| 15:57.18 | luke-jr | C760 had an awesome kb, but again no cell hw, and ancient |
| 15:57.38 | luke-jr | IS01 might be interesting, but I haven't seen it yet |
| 15:58.17 | c3l | Ford_Prefect: basically a device that fits in my pocket and is more or less as free as my desktop (though probably limited due to hw) |
| 15:58.19 | luke-jr | Ford_Prefect: by pocket computer, I mean something as usable as a laptop |
| 15:58.45 | luke-jr | Ford_Prefect: eg, I can write Perl, do work, etc, with it |
| 15:58.52 | luke-jr | without a ton of pain |
| 15:59.10 | BCMM | the n900 does those |
| 15:59.15 | luke-jr | for its time, C760 was perfect for that |
| 15:59.18 | luke-jr | BCMM: uh, no :p |
| 15:59.28 | BCMM | well, it has perl, and it has vim |
| 15:59.31 | ShadowJK | perl on n900 keyboard might be cumbersome :) |
| 15:59.32 | BCMM | so you can write perl on it |
| 15:59.32 | Ford_Prefect | luke-jr: you can do all that on the N900. I can't imagine *why* you'd want to do that, but you can. |
| 15:59.34 | luke-jr | BCMM: even if the software was all sorted out, the keyboard sucks too much for any real coding |
| 15:59.47 | BCMM | meh, i happily write LaTeX on the n900 keyboard |
| 15:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: open up an arbitrary pdf viewer on your desktop linux or whatever OS. Dragging the paper around with mouse LMB click&hold is "move paper" pragma. What you refer to - also scrollwheel) is the scrollbar at side of a window. This isn't supported by clicking&dragging on arbitrary position of the window, no matter if done by mosue ot via touchscreen |
| 16:00.01 | Ford_Prefect | If you can work for extended periods on that small keyboard, hat's off to you |
| 16:00.03 | BCMM | anyway, i still want to know why you think it isn't "linux-compatible" |
| 16:00.07 | Ford_Prefect | And by small I even mean the N810 |
| 16:00.16 | c3l | so basically the kb is what limits the n900? |
| 16:00.20 | BCMM | having busybox utilities by default isn't a huge issue, imho |
| 16:00.24 | luke-jr | c3l: that, and proprietary software |
| 16:00.39 | BCMM | they are posix-compatible, and you can still install GNU coreutils if you require the gnu extensions |
| 16:00.49 | Ford_Prefect | shakes head and goes back to hacking |
| 16:00.56 | luke-jr | c3l: I'm working on a Gentoo port for N810 and N900 |
| 16:00.58 | BCMM | likewise, you can install bash if you don't like BB's sh implementation |
| 16:01.16 | luke-jr | BCMM: not really. if you set bash as your default shell, it screws everything up |
| 16:01.27 | BCMM | luke-jr: what does it screw up? |
| 16:01.35 | luke-jr | BCMM: Maemo scripts I guess |
| 16:01.39 | luke-jr | from what i hear it won't boot |
| 16:02.01 | BCMM | anyway, in what sense is it not linux? |
| 16:02.13 | c3l | luke-jr: you will never get away from proprietary software when its a os designed and maintained by a company like nokia, and especially when its desiigner for some specific hw, and also the cellular part needs proprietary software due to patents, or am I wrong? |
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| 16:03.04 | luke-jr | c3l: all the more reason not to get Nokia I guess. but they have been getting better |
| 16:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: for all that matters to me, it's the kbd and the size of screen (and missing buttons for e.g opening menus, the missing 3button mouse, etc) that "limits" the N900 use as a normal netbook class PC |
| 16:03.34 | luke-jr | c3l: the cellular part is required by law to run on an independent CPU, so just firmware from the computer-side |
| 16:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's incorrect |
| 16:04.05 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: in the US, at least |
| 16:04.33 | luke-jr | or that's my understanding anyway |
| 16:04.33 | c3l | DocScrutinizer: ah I see, thanks. do you know if theres any better alternative to the n900? |
| 16:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly doubt there's a law that says "linux mustn't run on same processor as parts of the GSM stack" |
| 16:05.00 | psycho_oreos | apart from the fact that luke-jr can't suggest any other pocket-pc with phone capability other than scrutinising n900 for small keyboard and proprietary drivers, n900 is still the only choice for a decent linux based phone with almost a full blown linux distro shoved in it |
| 16:05.04 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Ah, I see. Maybe this is becaue I always click&hold the mousewheel, to move inside firefox and adobe reader. |
| 16:05.09 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no, the law is that the cellular part must be approved by the FCC as a whole |
| 16:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: not for me |
| 16:05.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: all software changes need FCC approval |
| 16:05.26 | luke-jr | so a system that is user-modifiable cannot be on the modem |
| 16:05.57 | johnsu01 | luke-jr: don't think that's true, see Software Freedom Law Center paper on atheros and free wifi drivers |
| 16:06.07 | luke-jr | johnsu01: Wifi isn't GSM |
| 16:06.15 | johnsu01 | warrants are the same |
| 16:06.18 | luke-jr | no |
| 16:06.25 | luke-jr | WiFi is non-licensed spectrum |
| 16:06.27 | johnsu01 | FCC historically doesn't like user controllable soft radio |
| 16:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: again that's incorrect |
| 16:06.45 | luke-jr | GSM is for the most part licensed |
| 16:06.48 | johnsu01 | the wifi concern is that users can interfere with other licensed spectrum |
| 16:06.53 | johnsu01 | if they can modify the radio |
| 16:07.00 | Ford_Prefect | luke-jr: they're both regulated |
| 16:07.00 | johnsu01 | so yes, it is the same warrant |
| 16:07.07 | luke-jr | Ford_Prefect: but differently |
| 16:07.25 | psycho_oreos | c3l, the other bit of downside you might find with n900 is its poor battery performance, you won't get many idle days on n900 without tweaking your n900 to using very minimal amount of processes, etc |
| 16:07.42 | psycho_oreos | s/idle/standby/ |
| 16:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: FCC approval doesn't mean it's completely locking out the user from messing with it, neither does it mean the system as a whole is forbidden to be changed |
| 16:08.02 | c3l | cool bot |
| 16:08.04 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: that's relative. I think N900 lasts quite a while idle. |
| 16:08.40 | luke-jr | so long as R&D mode is disabled |
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| 16:08.49 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, yes depends on how you use it, leaving it on whilst on 3G would last less than a day, using bluetooth for around 10 hours would severely drain the battery, etc |
| 16:08.57 | c3l | psycho_oreos: one cant expect more than one day on battery from the smartphones, and im used to charging my iphone each night, ill survive :) thanks for the heads up' |
| 16:09.24 | Kegetys | mine does ~3 days while on 3G |
| 16:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: a clean maemo install ootb will last several days on GSM standby, exactly like advertised by Nokia |
| 16:09.25 | ShadowJK | there was a guy on tmo that claimed his N900 only lasts 10 hours idle. Turned out his idea of "idle"included xchat,msn,gtalk,jabber,skype and facebook |
| 16:09.30 | luke-jr | IIRC I got ~20 hours on 3G |
| 16:09.42 | psycho_oreos | c3l, no worries |
| 16:10.11 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: what good is an offline device? |
| 16:10.22 | johnsu01 | what in the world are you guys doing to get that long on 3G |
| 16:10.24 | ShadowJK | With just xchat on 2g I once got only 6 hours when I was out at sea on the edge of signal coverage :) |
| 16:10.35 | luke-jr | johnsu01: disable R&D |
| 16:10.54 | ShadowJK | rd is disabled by default isn't it? |
| 16:10.56 | luke-jr | there's almost no 2G here |
| 16:11.01 | luke-jr | and spotty 3G |
| 16:11.01 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, problem is if one were to use many applets, and what not it'll bog down the usage :) and I really don't understand why is n900 the only device equipped with a smaller batter compared to its predecessors? maybe nokia started caring about weight and/or style? |
| 16:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 16:11.24 | johnsu01 | I don't think I have R&D on... |
| 16:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | nobody has, usually |
| 16:11.50 | luke-jr | I did for weeks |
| 16:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | why the heck should you? |
| 16:11.57 | luke-jr | then I turned it off and was very happy |
| 16:11.59 | psycho_oreos | easiest way to tell if you have R&D mode on is by the colouring of the keypads |
| 16:12.03 | johnsu01 | I haven't run it out all the way but I know I get < 10 hours of 3g |
| 16:12.20 | johnsu01 | with ssh, web and email |
| 16:12.53 | ShadowJK | what goes on in your ssh? |
| 16:13.03 | johnsu01 | mostly irc |
| 16:13.15 | ShadowJK | that eats alot :) |
| 16:13.23 | ShadowJK | well, not if channels are idle |
| 16:14.22 | c3l | does ncurses based programs run well on the n900? for example running irssi through ssh? |
| 16:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: even then |
| 16:15.08 | ShadowJK | yeah that's fine |
| 16:15.20 | johnsu01 | c3l: I ported nethack okay and that uses curses |
| 16:15.51 | ShadowJK | the "x-terminal" on n900 uses same widget as gnome-terminal, i think |
| 16:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: all the joins/quits and pings and whatnot still make it a hog, esp on 3G |
| 16:16.53 | ShadowJK | well ssh to another machine running irssi cuts down on some of it |
| 16:17.25 | ShadowJK | but you still get a wakeup whenever someone says something, join/part and irssi updating statusline |
| 16:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: short story: if you feel comfortable witj linux, and you want a new better phone/palmtop-PC than iPhone, then there's no alternative to N900. You'll love it |
| 16:18.04 | c3l | DocScrutinizer: :D thanks |
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| 16:18.42 | LjL | i'll love (and buy) the N900 when i can get a really open source OS that works well on it :P |
| 16:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: if you want 300.000 apps for 99ct from appstore, then N900 isn't hte phone for you. Same if you basically need an organizer |
| 16:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: ok, cya next live then |
| 16:20.00 | crashanddie | life** |
| 16:20.00 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 16:20.05 | muellisoft | LjL: you should be able to run anthing Linux based, really. IIRC, all the drivers are freely avaible. The wireless does have a free replacement. |
| 16:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yup :-S |
| 16:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: coffee-- |
| 16:20.22 | crashanddie | Muelli: LOL |
| 16:21.39 | ShadowJK | i think the wlan drivers are opensource? |
| 16:21.46 | LjL | Muelli: well, there's the "that works well" part to be considered though. there aren't many linux-based OS's that are *made* to work well on a cellphone like that. the two open-source ones i know of are Android and Meego, and both are available for the N900 but neither really works well (yet, anyway) as far as i heard. |
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| 16:22.05 | crashanddie | Muelli: try talking to the modem for a change... |
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| 16:22.19 | Muelli | LjL: well. There the pimped Debian which was used on the Freerunner, too. |
| 16:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: but - as the oss property of some few bits of the OS doesn't make any bit of a difference to endusers and even app developers - I gather you are core OS developer / kernel hacker and as such you most probably will brew your own FOSS-100 OS for N900 |
| 16:22.47 | Muelli | crashanddie: hm? Phonet is in Linux for ages now. And Ofono as a high level API exists. |
| 16:23.07 | Muelli | and works as far as I've seen. |
| 16:23.18 | crashanddie | oh, you've seen it working on the n900, have you now? |
| 16:23.22 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: why? because I can't turn it off without rebooting |
| 16:23.24 | barisione | what is the URL to see the status of the packages being built by the autobuilder? |
| 16:23.31 | barisione | I keep forgetting and not bookmarking it... |
| 16:24.01 | Muelli | barisione: hey :-) |
| 16:24.07 | luke-jr | c3l: N900 is great if you want a low-end multifunction device |
| 16:24.09 | barisione | Muelli: hi :) |
| 16:24.36 | luke-jr | Muelli: no, the drivers are not all freely available. |
| 16:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: eh? |
| 16:24.38 | barisione | Muelli: I always end up meeting you wherever I go, brazil, the hague or irc :P |
| 16:24.46 | c3l | luke-jr: I guess thats what ill go for :) |
| 16:24.53 | Muelli | barisione: hrhr... Well. At something to look forward to ;-) |
| 16:24.58 | Muelli | luke-jr: which are not? |
| 16:25.01 | saltsa_ | how I use the flasher program in Ubuntu 64bit? |
| 16:25.24 | luke-jr | Muelli: battery charger and 3D acceleration at least |
| 16:25.34 | saltsa_ | bash: /usr/bin/flasher-3.5: No such file or directory |
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| 16:25.41 | saltsa_ | I'm getting that error message |
| 16:25.46 | luke-jr | c3l: wish I could suggest something usable as a handheld computer, but nobody makes them anymore â¹ |
| 16:25.56 | luke-jr | saltsa_: you don't. |
| 16:26.01 | luke-jr | saltsa_: you need a 32-bit OS |
| 16:26.18 | luke-jr | Flasher 3.0 had a 64-bit version, but nobody can legally share it with you |
| 16:26.33 | Muelli | barisione: are you looking for smth like that: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/per-contact-ringtones/0.2.0-0/ ? |
| 16:26.37 | c3l | wait now, is the screen good? i heard its ..i dont know the english word, but not glass, right? is it still ok? |
| 16:27.06 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: i wouldn't make a big deal of the "few bits of the OS" if those were just some hardware drivers, but apparently about half of Maemo is not open-source, and while i'm not really a kernel hacker, i am interested in doing things which may just require source code access, such as playing with the sensors, radio, etc. and then for me there's also the "supporting open source" factor. |
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| 16:27.26 | barisione | Muelli: nope, another page, but the autobuilder succeeded so I guess I don't need that anymore :) |
| 16:27.36 | Muelli | luke-jr: well. I don't know what "battery charger" is supposed to mean but not having 3D is not a real loss ;-) And I guess LjL wouldn't mind either ;-) |
| 16:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: that's nonsense. All of that is open |
| 16:28.11 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: uh, Stskeeps seemed to say otherwise, and has a chart detailing it. |
| 16:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: nope, he didn't |
| 16:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | the kernel is *completely* open. What's closed are things like dialer-ui, calendar, addressbook-database etc |
| 16:29.31 | luke-jr | Muelli: battery charger is obvious |
| 16:29.47 | Stskeeps | LjL: maemo is a lost game, meego is using only very few blobs for hw support |
| 16:29.47 | Muelli | luke-jr: probably not. Or do I need to have the system booted in order to charge the battery? |
| 16:29.47 | luke-jr | c3l: the screen is glass as far as I can tell |
| 16:29.53 | luke-jr | Muelli: yes |
| 16:29.55 | Muelli | O_o |
| 16:29.58 | Muelli | srsly/ |
| 16:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | FMradio app is open source community driven python app |
| 16:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | forex |
| 16:30.08 | luke-jr | or rather, the system needs to be running the battery charger daemon |
| 16:30.14 | luke-jr | not necessarily fully booted |
| 16:30.46 | Muelli | luke-jr: so you are saying that if I turn my N900 off and plug the charger in, it won't charge the battery? |
| 16:30.59 | luke-jr | Muelli: it will boot and start the charger app |
| 16:31.20 | Muelli | uh. |
| 16:31.21 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: well those are still part of Maemo aren't they. the kernel must be open, it's Linux. |
| 16:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense, the touchpanel of course is NOT 'glass' |
| 16:31.32 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what is it? feels like glass to me |
| 16:31.34 | Stskeeps | Muelli: its called ACTDEAD mode |
| 16:31.54 | Stskeeps | Muelli: minimal system is booted and bme too |
| 16:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, polyacetate, polycarbonate? who knows |
| 16:32.13 | Stskeeps | the moment a power source is in usnb, n900 starts |
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| 16:32.27 | trip0 | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/meegobd_0.0.2-0ubuntu1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 16:32.38 | Muelli | okay. didn't know that. thanks Stskeeps and luke-jr. |
| 16:32.38 | trip0 | i don't see an error in that log, but it says it failed? |
| 16:32.42 | barisione | Muelli, luke-jr: AFAIR the system can charge even if not booted, when it gets enough battery for a partial boot it partially boots |
| 16:32.50 | luke-jr | Muelli: anyhow, it would suck not being able to charge battery :P |
| 16:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: that's like claiming buntkuh is not FOSS as it has acrobat reader |
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| 16:33.21 | barisione | http://blog.barisione.org/2010-08/faster-custom-ringtones/ \o/ now I can start the week-end :) |
| 16:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: calling bme an 'app' is... err... |
| 16:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: enjoy, and many thanks :-D |
| 16:35.27 | barisione | :) |
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| 16:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | Muelli: starting charger is easy though. Even without closed blob called bme :-D |
| 16:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | I published a 5 liner shellscript to establish that |
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| 16:37.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the 5 liner doesn't ever finish |
| 16:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | finish? |
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| 16:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | how's keeping battery charged gonna be a job that ever finishes? |
| 16:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | does bme ever finish? |
| 16:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | maybe bme signals cell=100% according to his twisted notion |
| 16:39.13 | kerio | external charger + fake battery arrived |
| 16:39.22 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the script has a finished state |
| 16:39.25 | kerio | the led is broken so i don't know when the battery has finished charging |
| 16:39.47 | kerio | also the battery monitor is probably f'ed up because of the frequent battery switch |
| 16:39.53 | kerio | yay for me |
| 16:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yes it has, and if you don't understand what it does you honestly seriously shouldn't use it |
| 16:39.56 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: at some point BME also stops charging and the battery drops |
| 16:40.08 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I don't have a choice, now do I? |
| 16:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: bme also 'never finishes' if you keep screen always on |
| 16:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | just like does my script |
| 16:41.07 | c3l | luke-jr: if its glass, how does the pen work? or are there no pen, maybe Ive been misinformed |
| 16:41.17 | luke-jr | c3l: the same way your fingers work? |
| 16:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: it is NOT glass |
| 16:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: virtually no touchscreen ever is made of glass |
| 16:41.46 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if it's not glass, what is it? |
| 16:42.04 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: do you read backscroll please? |
| 16:42.07 | luke-jr | I'm not surprised it isn't glass, but glass is the only way i can describe how it feels |
| 16:42.18 | luke-jr | I asked, but I didn't see a reply |
| 16:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-14 18:31:58] <DocScrutinizer> dunno, polyacetate, polycarbonate? who knows |
| 16:42.33 | luke-jr | oh, polycarbonate is a material? |
| 16:42.37 | luke-jr | :D |
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| 16:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | yes, polycarbonate is a material. Not sure about the polyacetate though |
| 16:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | most likely it's PVC |
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| 16:46.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: how do i tell my n900 that i'm on another battery? |
| 16:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | no need to |
| 16:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | bq27200 will reset on battery removal |
| 16:46.50 | kerio | the battery indicator is f'ed up |
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| 16:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | which indicator, in which way? |
| 16:47.28 | kerio | the status area battery indicator |
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| 16:47.32 | kerio | went up for a bit |
| 16:47.52 | c3l | luke-jr: is the pen made of human tissue? :) just plastic wont work. I think it has to be a bit conductive as the water in a finger, or sausage. but now DocScrutinizer says its not glass, who to trust? ;) |
| 16:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | bah, that one is a guestimate with a good amount of random anyway |
| 16:48.12 | kerio | how do i measure the battery then? |
| 16:48.13 | c3l | DocScrutinizer: the iphone for instance is glass |
| 16:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell c3l about DocScrutinizer51 |
| 16:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell c3l about DocScrutinizer |
| 16:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | clnope |
| 16:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: ^^ |
| 16:48.38 | kerio | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 16:48.38 | infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 16:48.49 | kerio | yay openmoko |
| 16:49.28 | kerio | (btw, slashdot claims that there was the first gsm call with an open baseband) |
| 16:49.31 | kerio | (is that true?) |
| 16:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: for GTA03 development we did extensive tests on iPhone capacitive touchpanel. Believe me it's NOT glass |
| 16:50.03 | kerio | the back of the iphone4 is glass |
| 16:50.28 | c3l | really? :O Ive seen it break just like glass, what is the iphone screen made of then? some superspecial type of plastic? |
| 16:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:50.48 | Shapeshifter | So. |
| 16:50.51 | Shapeshifter | What's new? |
| 16:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | polyacrylate or something like that |
| 16:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | we broke several :-P |
| 16:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | steelball drop test :-D |
| 16:51.41 | c3l | woot :D |
| 16:52.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: was it satisfying? |
| 16:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | our touchpanel had to be at least as rigid as the iPhone's :-) |
| 16:52.23 | c3l | for what company do you work? |
| 16:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | unemployed atm |
| 16:52.46 | kerio | he drops steel balls on iphones for fun |
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| 16:53.15 | c3l | a real apple hater :) |
| 16:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | drops steelballs on kerio and laughs sadistically |
| 16:53.28 | kerio | ouch! my balls |
| 16:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: didn't infobot toss you my 'vcard' ? |
| 16:55.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: really, how am i supposed to monitor my battery? |
| 16:55.26 | kerio | batterygraph? |
| 16:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | bq27200.sh |
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| 16:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | or simply not at all |
| 16:55.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh |
| 16:56.02 | kerio | just... work until it shuts down? |
| 16:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | batterygraph et al are all nonsense as I get it |
| 16:56.13 | IcanCU | does the n900 have the same version of free ovi maps as s60 devices? |
| 16:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 16:56.22 | kerio | IcanCU: way behind |
| 16:56.27 | IcanCU | ah ok |
| 16:56.28 | kerio | no voice navigation |
| 16:56.33 | kerio | always needs a data connection for everything |
| 16:56.47 | c3l | DocScrutinizer: it did, but I thought openmoko is more kind of a project than a company, that might not be the case |
| 16:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: it *will* warn you some 30min before it shuts down |
| 16:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: it's both |
| 16:57.25 | kerio | i wanna work for openmoko |
| 16:57.28 | kerio | how much do you pay? |
| 16:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | there's openmoko the community project, and there is/was openmoko the company |
| 16:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | though the company has pretty much closed down, the project lives on |
| 16:58.30 | c3l | why '/way', are they shutting down? |
| 16:58.49 | c3l | aw thats sad |
| 16:58.51 | kerio | huh... from the maemo wiki, Batteries: "For good operation times with Li-Ion batteries, discharge the battery from time to time by leaving the product switched on until it turns itself off. " "Lithium-ion batteries should never be "deep-cycled" like Ni-Cd batteries " |
| 16:58.54 | Shapeshifter | because it doesn't work. |
| 16:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's obviously BS. There's no such thing like a memory effect on LiIon |
| 17:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, LiIon will break on first deep dischage |
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| 17:00.29 | kerio | li-ion will never deep discharge |
| 17:00.34 | SpeedEvil | That's not quite accurate. |
| 17:00.34 | kerio | if the battery is smart enough |
| 17:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | not like NiMH/NiCad which don't care at all |
| 17:00.54 | SpeedEvil | The recommendation to regularly discharge to switchoff will reset the battery charge meter - if it was used sanely |
| 17:00.55 | SpeedEvil | but... |
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| 17:05.36 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:05.41 | ShadowJK | it's bs :) |
| 17:05.55 | ShadowJK | kerio, what batteryare you using? |
| 17:06.20 | kerio | ShadowJK: chinese one |
| 17:06.25 | kerio | so yeah |
| 17:06.41 | kerio | i'm not expecting anything even remotely close to a correct measure |
| 17:06.51 | ShadowJK | do you have a dmm? |
| 17:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | why dmm, just read out "designed" |
| 17:07.50 | ShadowJK | i guess |
| 17:08.05 | kerio | a what? |
| 17:08.23 | ShadowJK | hal-device bme | grep reporting.design |
| 17:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | lshal |
| 17:09.12 | kerio | battery.reporting.design = 1223 |
| 17:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | hal-device bme ?? o.O |
| 17:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | you never stop to learn :-) |
| 17:09.59 | kerio | what's that? |
| 17:10.01 | ShadowJK | kerio, how is the battery meter behaving |
| 17:10.31 | kerio | ShadowJK: steady, for now |
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| 17:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's "cell is supposed to have 1223mAh" |
| 17:12.44 | LjL | does it take a lot of light to be able to use the N900's screen in reflective mode with the backlight disabled? |
| 17:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes, definitely |
| 17:13.06 | ShadowJK | sunlight |
| 17:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | plus a mostly white screen content |
| 17:13.18 | kerio | and? |
| 17:14.16 | kerio | black-on-white looks good under sunlight |
| 17:14.26 | kerio | forget colors though |
| 17:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where's the big diff tween lshal and hal-device |
| 17:15.37 | ShadowJK | lshal dumps everything |
| 17:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | except obviously hal-device has a different set of cmdline options |
| 17:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:15.47 | ShadowJK | shrugs |
| 17:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | funny enough is --help of hal-device, which refers to lshal-format :-P |
| 17:16.56 | kerio | is the cell supposed to have 1223mAh? |
| 17:17.12 | LjL | yeah i knew you'd mostly lose colors |
| 17:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | err man hal-device maybe |
| 17:17.24 | LjL | i'm thinking mostly about reading ebooks in sunlight |
| 17:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-14 19:11:55] <DocScrutinizer> kerio: that's "cell is supposed to have 1223mAh" |
| 17:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: should work, maybe |
| 17:18.32 | LjL | uhm. |
| 17:18.53 | LjL | well if you keep the backlight *on* at least, is it definitely readable in sunlight? :P |
| 17:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | black on white is |
| 17:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | white on black prolly not |
| 17:20.23 | kerio | wanna read ebooks under sunlight? |
| 17:20.32 | kerio | buy a kindle |
| 17:20.32 | kerio | or a nook |
| 17:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | *nod* |
| 17:20.48 | kerio | or... a motofone |
| 17:21.02 | MohammadAG | or a book |
| 17:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:22.06 | kerio | MohammadAG: can you turn pages with your... "book"? |
| 17:22.10 | kerio | and take notes? |
| 17:22.13 | kerio | huh? |
| 17:22.16 | kerio | HUH? |
| 17:22.21 | MohammadAG | Yes |
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| 17:22.29 | kerio | :o |
| 17:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | taking into account the virtually non existent price difference between ebook and paper, the format chaos, and the DRM PITA, it's probably the most sensible solution to go for paper |
| 17:22.38 | kerio | it's obviously copied from the kindle |
| 17:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 17:23.40 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | on 'book' you can't recharge the battery :-/ |
| 17:23.48 | MohammadAG | DAMN! |
| 17:23.50 | MohammadAG | that's a blocker |
| 17:25.51 | Dakon | see it the other way around: you don't need to recharge books ;) |
| 17:26.09 | kerio | Dakon: LIES |
| 17:26.47 | Dakon | yeah, propaganda of the paper conspiracy |
| 17:26.51 | Dakon | I confess ;) |
| 17:26.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: drm? |
| 17:27.04 | kerio | meh, just go ePUB |
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| 17:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | digital restrictions management |
| 17:28.10 | kerio | hard to find a lot of good books that are less than 70 years old anyway |
| 17:28.20 | kerio | ;) |
| 17:28.52 | jave | I'm trying to chmod u+x a file ive downloaded but it doesnt work, why? |
| 17:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~drm |
| 17:28.55 | infobot | drm is probably http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Rights Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp ... the best big black-caca from the ass of gates Just Say No (tm), or http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
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| 17:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/ePUB/eMule :-P + *.pdf |
| 17:30.56 | kerio | emule? D: |
| 17:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | eDonkey whatever |
| 17:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | warez |
| 17:31.17 | RST38h | Am I the only one feeling pity for iPhone users after seeing this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/14/ipad_apps/ ? |
| 17:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | I never feel pity for iPhone users |
| 17:31.51 | kerio | ed2k is dead as... dead |
| 17:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, see? Proves I'm not involved in such activities |
| 17:32.52 | jave | hmm so a binary must be put in /bin to chmod it runnable? |
| 17:32.56 | kerio | the future is private bittorrent trackers |
| 17:33.06 | kerio | and, for smaller stuff, file hosting services |
| 17:33.18 | kerio | not that i use any of that, of course |
| 17:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | jave: you can't chmod +x on a vfat fs |
| 17:33.34 | kerio | i thought vfat was always 777 |
| 17:33.37 | jave | ah ok so that whas it |
| 17:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | MyDocs is VFAT |
| 17:33.47 | jave | ok I see. |
| 17:33.48 | jave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: yep, maybe. But anyway afaik it's mounted noexec |
| 17:34.57 | kerio | oh, so *that* needs to be secure |
| 17:34.59 | kerio | meh |
| 17:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmas |
| 17:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 17:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixe |
| 17:38.34 | jave | the audio program I compiled makes sound! |
| 17:38.42 | jave | however, very quiet |
| 17:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | what's the audio device/interface used? |
| 17:39.13 | jave | hw:0,0 |
| 17:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 17:39.28 | jave | I can set it what should I use? |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | amazing it works at all |
| 17:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | try default |
| 17:39.48 | jave | hmm |
| 17:39.48 | kerio | you should use pulse |
| 17:39.49 | kerio | lol |
| 17:39.58 | jave | pcm.pulse didnt work |
| 17:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | try "default" |
| 17:40.36 | jave | ok, also very quiet |
| 17:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware this needs to be a user config option? |
| 17:41.15 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: maybe overall paper is currently better, but when it comes to public domain books, the cost is nil, they're available in most format, and there is no DRM ;) |
| 17:41.26 | jave | well, ive merely compiled sbagen, and patched it to support alsa |
| 17:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | LjL: ack |
| 17:41.40 | jave | it has a -d flag for device choice |
| 17:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | that's good enough I guess |
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| 17:42.50 | jave | ah now I managed to fck upp audio completely lol |
| 17:42.55 | jave | mediaplayer block |
| 17:43.00 | jave | great... |
| 17:44.08 | jave | and why was it absoulutely necessary to invent a new usb plug? ive got milions of the old ones, 0 of the newfangled micro variant |
| 17:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | jave: (micro USB) address blackmail to USB consortium |
| 17:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | (audio) |
| 17:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# aplay -v /usr/share/sounds/ui-wrong_charger.wav |
| 17:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/ui-wrong_charger.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 24000 Hz, Stereo |
| 17:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | ALSA <-> PulseAudio PCM I/O Plugin |
| 17:46.32 | luke-jr | c3l: it doesn't have to be conductive at all |
| 17:46.53 | luke-jr | c3l: the stylus is just a piece of plastic |
| 17:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | aplay -v /usr/share/sounds/*.wav # :-D |
| 17:47.12 | jave | binaural beats on n900 so close yet so far |
| 17:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | jave: loud enough for me |
| 17:48.20 | FireFly | Hi; does anyone know if the N900 wifi driver (wl12xx, I think) supports short preamble mode? |
| 17:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 17:48.47 | FireFly | From what I can tell, it didn't back in february 2009 |
| 17:48.53 | FireFly | (http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wireless/msg28403.html) |
| 17:49.05 | FireFly | But I dunno if it's changed |
| 17:50.08 | jave | DocScrutinizer: after a reboot it works! seems hw:0,0 wasnt stellar to try |
| 17:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup, ack |
| 17:51.01 | jave | finaly sbagen in a phone! |
| 17:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | basically PA hijacks the whole audio, and fsckups it thoroughly :-P |
| 17:52.08 | jave | I kind of knew, but on my desktop pulse seems to sort of notice when I go directly at the hw and wait |
| 17:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | nods |
| 17:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | n900 PA setup seems to be particularly messed up |
| 17:54.29 | c3l | luke-jr: then its got to be a preassure sensitive display? not like the desire or iphone, on those a pice of plastic would never work. |
| 17:55.06 | luke-jr | c3l: N900 is resistive, yes |
| 17:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | also seems completely unclear how "ALSA <-> PulseAudio PCM I/O Plugin" is supposed to cooperate with PA policy enforer engine (or whatever it's called) |
| 17:55.55 | jave | hmm I get "broken pipe" when screen goes blank, and comes back again. odd |
| 17:56.02 | c3l | luke-jr: I know alot of resistive displays easily get damaged and 'worn out', is that the case for n900 too? |
| 17:56.23 | luke-jr | c3l: news to me |
| 17:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: iPhone etc have capacitive touchscreen. N900 has resistive touchscreen. Please refer to wikipedia |
| 17:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: what kind of "wear out" do you mean specifically? |
| 17:57.53 | c3l | wikipedia doesnt have user experiences =) but id better try it than ask quiesionts :> |
| 17:58.03 | kerio | the insane number of tiny scratches all over the place? |
| 17:58.07 | kerio | sure |
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| 17:58.52 | c3l | DocScrutinizer: easier getting scratches and so, to scratch the ipohone display for instance a pice of metal doesnt help, you need a pice of stone or something similar. is the n900 display more sensitive in that sense? |
| 17:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: anyway the N900 has best resistive ts I even used/tested |
| 17:59.11 | FireFly | Probably |
| 17:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: yes, it's way more sensible to scrathes etc |
| 18:00.06 | knightstalker | c3l,I would never tested that,I care about money :p |
| 18:00.17 | FireFly | Hm |
| 18:00.35 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: that's why a lot of users apply screen protetors to their N900 |
| 18:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | c3l: not me though, I got no significant scratch or ditch |
| 18:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever on my 10 months old N900 |
| 18:02.23 | c3l | ah, its no decreased preformance for the screen with a protective plastic film? cool, then I guess theres no real problem. so a slight touch on the screen with your finger wont make it respond, right? |
| 18:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | if I ever feel like it's time to do, I'll get a replacement touchpanel for 60EUR |
| 18:02.38 | c3l | oh well that sounds promising |
| 18:03.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: aren't you the EE who broke the flat cable that connects the lcd, breaking the n900 in the process? |
| 18:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | no, it broke by itself. Wasn't me who broke it :-P |
| 18:04.08 | kerio | sure |
| 18:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | how's that related to touchpanels though? |
| 18:04.38 | kerio | if *you* couldn't do that, i wouldn't get close to it with a d&d standard-issue 10 feet pole |
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| 18:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | but, as mentioned above. It's probably been a hidden defect that just became obvious and servere by disassembly |
| 18:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | that flat cable is poorly designed |
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| 18:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | they should have used a ZIF-FPC connector, rather than a b2b-plug |
| 18:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | after all a FPC is no 'board' |
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| 18:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | so board to board connector plug is somewhat odd there |
| 18:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | the way it's no: b2b-plug on FPC-main on FPC-jumper-patch. If it were b2b-plug on jumper-rigid-board on FPC that would have been much more rugged anyway |
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| 18:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | as it's now each little bit of force applied to the whole construction tends to break the joints between the three parts |
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| 18:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: let me put it this way: when disassembling the N900, on separating the upper display half from lower main body you MUST NOT apply any pulling or bending force to the point where flexible plastic connector is attached to the main board. Carefully(!) pry out the board2board plug from it's receptacle by using a lever like e.g credit card or similar - refer to RX-51_SM_L1/2 |
| 18:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~2119 |
| 18:35.02 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 18:36.46 | ShadowJK | ~1459 |
| 18:36.51 | ShadowJK | aw |
| 18:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | enters "rfc:1459" into URL field of Konqueror |
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| 18:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: duh, thought you'd query for 1149 :-P |
| 18:42.40 | FireFly | Hah |
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| 18:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | >>The bandwidth is limited to the leg length.<< LOL |
| 18:45.50 | FireFly | ISO 3103 is another nice standard |
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| 18:55.18 | trip0 | any autobuilder/packaging experts alive right now? |
| 18:55.27 | trip0 | i can't find the error message in this: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/meegobd_0.0.2-0ubuntu1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 19:04.33 | _llll_ | trip0: loosk like no error to me |
| 19:04.54 | trip0 | _llll_, that was my conclusion as well :( |
| 19:05.02 | trip0 | maybe I should just resubmit it... |
| 19:05.06 | trip0 | maybe it'll magically work |
| 19:05.07 | trip0 | :P |
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| 19:07.10 | _llll_ | scripts run with set +e perhaps |
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| 19:10.34 | jave | if id like to publish my sbagen port to n900, would "garage" be a suitable place? |
| 19:13.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: let me put it this way: i WILL NOT dissassemble the n900 |
| 19:13.18 | kerio | ever |
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| 19:14.04 | SpeedEvil | Gwaaaaaaaaaaan. |
| 19:14.16 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: SpeedEvil is calling you again |
| 19:14.33 | SpeedEvil | I'm sort of tempted to dissasemble mine a little to add stuff. |
| 19:14.49 | crashanddie | you have your own GA? |
| 19:14.52 | SpeedEvil | Gyro/magnetometer. |
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| 19:21.15 | hatseflats | evening everyone |
| 19:22.02 | hatseflats | running OS2008, having trouble getting the media library to refresh |
| 19:22.52 | hatseflats | I figured that inserting the sd card was a trigger, it used to be it seems, but no matter how hard I try or how I combine rebooting and inserting the card, the library remains empty |
| 19:24.08 | hatseflats | does anyone know if there's a magic 'refresh library now' button or script? |
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| 19:27.08 | trip0 | anyone tried getting a meegotouch-based app to run on the n900? |
| 19:28.50 | trip0 | somewhat surprised that noone has ported icecc to the n900 yet |
| 19:29.01 | trip0 | or, perhaps it is there... |
| 19:29.07 | trip0 | looks in dpkg |
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| 19:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | jave: sure |
| 19:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | hatseflats: dunno about 2008 - anyway check tracker |
| 19:36.57 | jave | I'm dorry to ask silly questions about garage, but I'm finding the docs confusing. "getting started" starts with an article about forking for instance |
| 19:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://linux.die.net/man/1/trackerd |
| 19:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 19:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | jave: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 19:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | might help |
| 19:40.41 | jave | Thanks |
| 19:41.01 | crashanddie | GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4891791708/ |
| 19:45.38 | trip0 | adds icecc to extras-devel |
| 19:45.49 | kerio | what's icecc? |
| 19:45.58 | trip0 | distributed compiler system |
| 19:46.04 | kerio | cute |
| 19:46.46 | trip0 | should allow you to compile stuff faster |
| 19:47.05 | trip0 | a lot of people do native compiles, this will allow you to employ other arm devices to make it faster |
| 19:47.37 | kerio | heh, a cluster of n900s |
| 19:47.44 | trip0 | yep :) |
| 19:47.54 | trip0 | where's that lbt character? |
| 19:49.51 | hatseflats | DocScrutinizer: trackerd binary is missing from the system |
| 19:49.54 | hatseflats | somehow :/ |
| 19:49.55 | rm_you | Stskeeps: sup |
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| 19:51.22 | hatseflats | DocScrutinizer: any idea to which package that thing belongs to? |
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| 19:52.47 | kerio | btw, external charger ftfw |
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| 19:55.08 | GAN900 | crashanddie, Flickr got so heavy after the last update. |
| 19:55.19 | lbt | trip0: pong |
| 19:55.47 | rm_you | GAN900: i asked this yesterday but never got a response... how much have things moved towards Meego around here? |
| 19:56.21 | trip0 | rm_you, meego porting on the n900 is going well afaik |
| 19:56.33 | trip0 | almost have a working modem |
| 19:57.14 | rm_you | i've heard people saying Maemo is going to be a dead-end project, and it makes some sense but don't know exactly how much stock to put in it |
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| 19:57.57 | trip0 | just about everything has a beginning and an ending |
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| 19:58.24 | trip0 | Maemo lives on in meego, so it really can't be considered a "dead end" |
| 19:58.26 | trip0 | imho |
| 19:58.35 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:58.42 | kerio | trip0: huh? |
| 19:58.45 | kerio | wrong |
| 19:58.55 | rm_you | so are people planning on switching over to Meego development? |
| 19:59.00 | kerio | meego uses rpm, maemo uses deb |
| 19:59.04 | kerio | it's a *HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE* difference |
| 19:59.10 | rm_you | I haven't yet looked into setting up a meego dev env |
| 19:59.14 | trip0 | kerio, wrong? i doubt it. package format is actually a trivial diff |
| 19:59.19 | kerio | rm_you: i guess people are waiting for... a device |
| 19:59.21 | crashanddie | GAN900: I don't really mind, I like the new lightbox |
| 19:59.24 | rm_you | yeah |
| 19:59.28 | rm_you | i mean, that makes sense |
| 19:59.41 | rm_you | I guess Harmattan is not happening now |
| 19:59.45 | crashanddie | GAN900: plus, by right-clicking on the main picture, you can go directly to higher res without going through the lightbox |
| 19:59.46 | rm_you | I would assumer |
| 19:59.49 | rm_you | *assume |
| 20:00.08 | trip0 | harmattan lives |
| 20:00.08 | rm_you | again, i've been gone for like three months so i'm just trying to catch up on all the happenings i missed |
| 20:00.26 | trip0 | harmattan will probably be on the first "meego" device |
| 20:00.34 | rm_you | interesting |
| 20:00.57 | rm_you | i would have expected them to jump ship and put all their resources into making Meego work, instead of splitting up their focus |
| 20:01.15 | trip0 | well, meego is more than just nokia |
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| 20:02.16 | kerio | ALL HAIL HARMATTAN |
| 20:02.21 | trip0 | kerio, and also, i haven't heard that harmattan will be rpm based |
| 20:02.29 | kerio | harmattan is still maemo |
| 20:02.37 | kerio | it'll probably have the meego handset ui |
| 20:02.43 | trip0 | they are calling it harmattan/meego |
| 20:02.49 | trip0 | according to the meego wiki |
| 20:02.55 | kerio | (yes, yes, User Experience - it's still a user interface) |
| 20:03.51 | trip0 | yay, icecc is not in the extras-devel! |
| 20:04.01 | trip0 | s/not/now* |
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| 20:04.46 | Jamy98 | hello |
| 20:04.54 | Jamy98 | can anyone help me with Joomla? |
| 20:05.08 | kerio | sure, the world is big |
| 20:05.13 | kerio | someone can |
| 20:05.47 | trip0 | lol |
| 20:09.41 | lcuk | throws a snowball @ rm_you |
| 20:09.57 | rm_you | waves at lcuk |
| 20:10.03 | lcuk | \o |
| 20:10.26 | lcuk | how have you been rm_you |
| 20:11.25 | rm_you | got a new job, moved to a different house, bought a car |
| 20:11.32 | lcuk | bloody nora |
| 20:12.07 | lcuk | still in same area? |
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| 20:14.35 | lcuk | goes back to sorting out todays photos |
| 20:14.37 | rm_you | yep |
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| 20:14.48 | crashanddie | lcuk: photos? |
| 20:15.58 | lcuk | yes, we went out so I was moving them to their folder |
| 20:16.08 | rm_you | :P |
| 20:16.17 | lcuk | rm_you, moved into the bar? |
| 20:16.22 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:16.29 | rm_you | we HAD a bar at our old house |
| 20:16.32 | rm_you | new one does not :( |
| 20:16.37 | lcuk | why move ? |
| 20:16.38 | rm_you | all our booze in sitting in a box |
| 20:16.41 | lcuk | sounds almost ideal |
| 20:16.44 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:16.46 | rm_you | i loved it |
| 20:17.04 | rm_you | but our lease ran up and i couldn't generate enough interest quickly enough to get people to resign before the landlord found new tennants |
| 20:17.09 | rm_you | so we moved into a smaller place |
| 20:17.27 | lcuk | rm_you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ftfH2PoMU |
| 20:18.17 | lcuk | THAT is how beer should be delivered |
| 20:18.41 | rm_you | rofl |
| 20:18.42 | rm_you | yes |
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| 20:19.15 | lcuk | crashanddie, went to the museum to see the dinosaurs and other assoc natural history stuffs |
| 20:19.46 | b-man` | just got back from a lloonngg trip |
| 20:19.53 | rm_you | lcuk: dunno if i mentioned, but I'm working for an oil company now T_T |
| 20:21.00 | lcuk | rm_you, what are you doing for them? |
| 20:21.10 | lcuk | hopefully your job is not on a lilo with a net |
| 20:21.18 | rm_you | IT Infrastructure / Security |
| 20:21.26 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:21.29 | lcuk | cool |
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| 20:21.58 | rm_you | working for a company that doesn't do exploration/production |
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| 20:22.05 | rm_you | just refining/sales |
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| 20:22.37 | rm_you | Have you heard of Reliant? |
| 20:22.40 | rm_you | I don't work for them :P |
| 20:22.51 | lcuk | only in the robin sense |
| 20:22.56 | rm_you | but supposedly they're our competitor in Europe |
| 20:23.25 | lcuk | Reliant was a British car manufacturer. The company was traditionally based at Tamworth in Staffordshire, England, but in 2001 it moved to nearby Cannock. ... |
| 20:23.36 | rm_you | different one |
| 20:23.37 | lcuk | :P not the same one i guess |
| 20:23.39 | rm_you | this one is an energy company |
| 20:23.48 | lcuk | so were those guys |
| 20:23.56 | lcuk | you could drive 40000000 miles on a tank of gas :P |
| 20:23.59 | rm_you | lol |
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| 20:26.22 | GAN900 | rm_you, well, here, not a lotl |
| 20:26.35 | GAN900 | rm_you, in general, it feels like scorched earth. |
| 20:26.44 | nox- | moin |
| 20:26.50 | GAN900 | rm_you, Quim doesn't even vaguely notice Maemo stuff anymore. |
| 20:27.01 | rm_you | <_< |
| 20:27.04 | rm_you | yeah |
| 20:27.07 | rm_you | that's more like what I figured |
| 20:27.09 | GAN900 | rm_you, Stskeeps has completely moved over to MeeGo. |
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| 20:27.23 | rm_you | yeah, well he's actually working for them on the project now right? |
| 20:27.28 | GAN900 | distmaster is open (and likely to be funding something else) |
| 20:27.28 | rm_you | like, they write his paycheck |
| 20:27.30 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 20:28.09 | rm_you | someone mentioned Meego backporting was moving along well? |
| 20:28.51 | rm_you | what are your feelings about the direction things are going? are you going to adopt meego with open arms, begrudgingly, or nevar!> |
| 20:28.52 | rm_you | ? |
| 20:29.03 | kerio | hmm... did titan recompile the fcam-drivers for his kernel? |
| 20:29.11 | kerio | the latest version, i mean |
| 20:29.38 | rm_you | I was looking into buying tickets to Dublin for the Meego thing |
| 20:29.50 | luke-jr | who is titan anyhow |
| 20:29.55 | rm_you | but only if i can find somewhere there to stay on the cheap, IE someone's couch :P |
| 20:31.40 | lcuk | rm_you, you can happily stay on our couch, however its in the wrong country :P |
| 20:31.46 | rm_you | lol |
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| 20:31.58 | lcuk | might have to get up a bit early each morning |
| 20:32.07 | rm_you | If they do something in the UK, i would take you up on that :P |
| 20:32.07 | lcuk | and theres a bit of a swim to get there |
| 20:32.27 | lcuk | actually pondered stuff like that today |
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| 20:32.44 | lcuk | walking round manchester uni it reminded me of Copenhagen meetup location |
| 20:33.44 | lcuk | and for once in its life, there was bluesky |
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| 20:36.28 | GAN900 | rm_you, burnt out. |
| 20:37.07 | GAN900 | rm_you, things are just as messy as always and the scorched earth policy that's been adopted with maemo.org is exhausting. |
| 20:37.17 | luke-jr | ? |
| 20:37.28 | luke-jr | scorched earth? |
| 20:37.33 | GAN900 | Aside from the fact that Nokia hasn't really learned any of the lessons of the past 5 years. |
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| 20:38.47 | jacekowski | devilsadvocate: have you heard about flash 10.1 from adobe? |
| 20:38.52 | GAN900 | luke-jr, MeeGo's seeming policy of severing all ties with Maemo and maemo.org, stonewalling its contributors and refusing to leverage any of its experience or infra. |
| 20:39.35 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 20:39.42 | jacekowski | well, thing is that phone has 2 years of life at most |
| 20:39.54 | luke-jr | what phone? |
| 20:39.54 | xae8koo | How is skype on N900? |
| 20:39.57 | luke-jr | Nokia makes phones? |
| 20:39.58 | luke-jr | :P |
| 20:40.07 | jacekowski | and supporting it above that is like flogging a dead horse |
| 20:40.10 | luke-jr | xae8koo: proprietary |
| 20:40.20 | xae8koo | does it work well? |
| 20:40.26 | jacekowski | yes |
| 20:40.27 | luke-jr | xae8koo: unless you want video |
| 20:40.30 | jacekowski | better than pc skype |
| 20:40.40 | jacekowski | i don't want anybody to watch me |
| 20:40.50 | luke-jr | lol |
| 20:40.53 | rm_you | GAN900: yeah |
| 20:40.59 | jacekowski | and i ussualy don't want to watch somebody else, unless it's she and she's hot and nude |
| 20:41.07 | jacekowski | but that kind of people ussualy don't call me |
| 20:41.20 | lcuk | jacekowski, so your mum stopped phoning? |
| 20:41.21 | rm_you | GAN900: it's looking like the platform might end up as dead as n800 by the end of 2010 :/ |
| 20:41.35 | jacekowski | lcuk: long time ago |
| 20:41.35 | xae8koo | I want the Nokia N900 so bad I'd kill for it! |
| 20:41.45 | rm_you | especially if they manage to announce a Meego phone at the summit |
| 20:41.46 | luke-jr | xae8koo: fail |
| 20:41.55 | xae8koo | Why? |
| 20:42.04 | rm_you | I have it, i love it |
| 20:42.08 | rm_you | but i'm glad i didn't buy it |
| 20:42.15 | jacekowski | isn't it that they are required to support product for couple years |
| 20:42.21 | xae8koo | rm_you: Why? |
| 20:42.30 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no |
| 20:42.32 | jacekowski | like car manufacturers are required to keep spare parts avaliable for 15 years |
| 20:42.42 | luke-jr | jacekowski: that's warranty, not support |
| 20:42.47 | xae8koo | maemo is open source so we just comunity fix it |
| 20:42.54 | jacekowski | xae8koo: not all of t |
| 20:42.54 | rm_you | because |
| 20:42.56 | rm_you | <rm_you> GAN900: it's looking like the platform might end up as dead as n800 by the end of 2010 :/ |
| 20:42.56 | jacekowski | it* |
| 20:42.57 | luke-jr | car manufs aren't required to produce new compatible parts |
| 20:43.10 | luke-jr | xae8koo: Maemo is maybe 40% open source |
| 20:43.10 | jacekowski | thing is |
| 20:43.16 | luke-jr | xae8koo: the community can't fix it |
| 20:43.25 | jacekowski | we can probably upgrade to meego easily in future |
| 20:43.26 | luke-jr | xae8koo: it's like Mac OS X |
| 20:43.43 | xae8koo | rm_you: Dead? But it has an Nintendo 64 emulator, and it can be controlled by PS3 remotes |
| 20:43.45 | lcuk | piece by piece was can try to luke-jr |
| 20:43.55 | xae8koo | But |
| 20:44.01 | lcuk | it depends on what you suggest needs fixing - if its one of the "apps" we can get replacements |
| 20:44.04 | xae8koo | Easy Debian will always be there, rigth? |
| 20:44.04 | luke-jr | lcuk: not worth the effort |
| 20:44.14 | lcuk | if its hildon-desktop or home etc, well the code is available |
| 20:44.15 | luke-jr | xae8koo: ⦠|
| 20:44.25 | luke-jr | xae8koo: I run Gentoo |
| 20:44.32 | jacekowski | well, we want n900 to run meego in the future |
| 20:44.33 | xae8koo | Easy Gentoo? xD |
| 20:44.39 | jacekowski | and we're not far from that |
| 20:44.39 | luke-jr | xae8koo: no, Gentoo is never easy |
| 20:44.57 | xae8koo | luke-jr: I know, but can you make calles with gentoo? |
| 20:45.03 | luke-jr | xae8koo: in theory! |
| 20:45.40 | xae8koo | How long will it take me to install Mac Os on the N900? |
| 20:45.44 | rm_you | xae8koo: once the repositories fall into disarray, i consider the platform dead |
| 20:45.54 | rm_you | because you can't install things properly anymore |
| 20:46.04 | rm_you | and hope of upgrades is gone |
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| 20:46.27 | rm_you | i plugged in my n800 the other day and tried to install something and it just flat fails now |
| 20:46.30 | lcuk | well its not like maemo.org is going anywhere |
| 20:46.33 | luke-jr | xae8koo: days |
| 20:46.42 | lcuk | rm_you, external repo? |
| 20:47.03 | rm_you | no |
| 20:47.11 | rm_you | apps that were in extras |
| 20:47.16 | rm_you | just don't install properly anymore |
| 20:47.24 | xae8koo | So the repo will disseapear? |
| 20:47.25 | kerio | did you apt-get update first? |
| 20:47.27 | lcuk | thats wrong then but for another reason |
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| 20:47.45 | lcuk | xae8koo, it shouldnt |
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| 20:48.28 | xae8koo | If it does I will simply return the phone. In norway, we have something equilent of a warranty for 5 years on everything electronic. I would return it as a faulty product. |
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| 20:49.26 | luke-jr | xae8koo: it's not faulty |
| 20:49.31 | luke-jr | just not supported |
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| 20:49.56 | luke-jr | I haven't heard of anyone else in Norway managing to get a refund on their N8x0 |
| 20:50.41 | rm_you | the repos don't disappear, they just bit-rot |
| 20:50.58 | GAN900 | rm_you, really depressing. |
| 20:51.24 | GAN900 | rm_you, and, amazingly, Intel people seem to be completely incapable of dealing with a community. |
| 20:51.41 | xae8koo | If I buy a phone, and is promiced features and applications for it, that I don't get. Then it is fraud |
| 20:52.00 | luke-jr | xae8koo: 1. it's not a phone |
| 20:52.08 | luke-jr | 2. you weren't promised anything it didn't include |
| 20:52.20 | luke-jr | afaik |
| 20:52.30 | luke-jr | heck, I don't even see Nokia promising Linux |
| 20:52.57 | SpeedEvil | xae8koo: It's not. |
| 20:53.17 | SpeedEvil | xae8koo: It's fraud if they knew at the time of sale that the applications would not appear. |
| 20:53.29 | rm_you | i'm hoping that won't happen |
| 20:53.32 | SpeedEvil | xae8koo: Otherwise it's merely inefficiency. |
| 20:53.36 | rm_you | or at least not nearly as soon as I'm afraid |
| 20:53.40 | rm_you | but it will eventually |
| 20:53.46 | rm_you | but in the meantime it's a NICE phone |
| 20:53.47 | rm_you | i love it |
| 20:53.54 | xae8koo | Hmm |
| 20:54.06 | xae8koo | I think it will, in any case, be bether than Nokia N97 |
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| 20:54.11 | xae8koo | Wich were my last phone |
| 20:54.19 | luke-jr | xae8koo: again, N900 is not a phone |
| 20:54.28 | luke-jr | if you're comparing things as phones, N97 is probably better |
| 20:54.54 | luke-jr | N900 is a multifunction device |
| 20:55.11 | xae8koo | The N97 annoyed me, and my friends had cooler gadgets |
| 20:55.19 | luke-jr | combines low-end phone, camera, GPS, flashlight, etc |
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| 20:56.00 | xae8koo | luke-jr: Low end? Is it bad for SMS and calling? |
| 20:56.09 | luke-jr | xae8koo: it doesn't support MMS, for example |
| 20:56.20 | xae8koo | luke-jr: fMMS or gMMS |
| 20:56.28 | luke-jr | nor comply with cell phone standards |
| 20:56.35 | luke-jr | xae8koo: fMMS doesn't work. no idea on gMMS |
| 20:57.20 | luke-jr | the phone app is glitchy too |
| 20:57.32 | luke-jr | it's a coin flip if it's portrait or landscape |
| 20:57.48 | luke-jr | at least if you set it to always-landscape mode |
| 20:57.57 | xae8koo | MKMMS is what I want |
| 20:58.03 | trip0 | lbt, do you know if the meego pub obs can build meegotouch packages for maemo? |
| 20:58.11 | trip0 | that'd be the awesome if it could... |
| 20:58.32 | xae8koo | I want it to flip when I open the keyboard |
| 20:58.41 | luke-jr | xae8koo: good luck |
| 20:58.58 | lcuk | trip0, WIP afaik |
| 20:59.07 | trip0 | hmm |
| 20:59.08 | luke-jr | actually, I think it is always landscape when you open kb |
| 20:59.10 | trip0 | guess i'll try |
| 20:59.20 | xae8koo | I hate it |
| 20:59.23 | luke-jr | it's the other way that is glitchy |
| 20:59.28 | xae8koo | I have to wait for monday to get one |
| 20:59.29 | lcuk | trip0, if you get any feedback, there is a bug report about it |
| 20:59.30 | lcuk | hold on |
| 20:59.34 | luke-jr | also, it takes like 5-10 seconds to answer calls |
| 20:59.42 | xae8koo | 5-10 seconds? |
| 20:59.47 | xae8koo | That seams strange |
| 20:59.52 | luke-jr | while you wait for the screen to rotate |
| 21:00.03 | xae8koo | I was told it was fast |
| 21:00.06 | trip0 | lcuk, as far as i can tell, autobuilder + meegotouch is still b0rked |
| 21:00.11 | luke-jr | xae8koo: it isn't. |
| 21:00.18 | lcuk | trip0, yeah, i just noticed, its your bug too |
| 21:00.18 | luke-jr | the animation is fast |
| 21:00.19 | lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 |
| 21:00.20 | povbot | Bug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies |
| 21:00.21 | luke-jr | but it takes time to start |
| 21:00.25 | trip0 | :P |
| 21:00.37 | lcuk | :) glad you care enough to try |
| 21:00.51 | trip0 | lcuk, well, i want to run my app on my phone ;) |
| 21:00.52 | lcuk | there are rumblings occuring anywa |
| 21:01.10 | lcuk | will keep that bug on my list and update it asap |
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| 21:01.31 | lcuk | trip0, what have you written? |
| 21:01.46 | trip0 | lcuk, an obd-II app |
| 21:01.47 | lcuk | and have you looked over the other meegotouch apps on the gitorious |
| 21:01.50 | lcuk | from meego itself? |
| 21:01.59 | trip0 | no, not yet |
| 21:02.07 | lcuk | oh nice, cool |
| 21:02.10 | trip0 | well, other than the ones i work on |
| 21:02.14 | lcuk | what have you written it in? native qt |
| 21:02.23 | lcuk | or using one of the other things |
| 21:02.33 | trip0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csIKNDOCPZI |
| 21:02.34 | lcuk | qml etc |
| 21:02.46 | trip0 | i wrote that in qt+mtf |
| 21:03.19 | jacekowski | trip0: where do you get all data? |
| 21:04.05 | trip0 | jacekowski, through an obd-ii scantool |
| 21:04.19 | jacekowski | using host mode stuff? |
| 21:04.29 | jacekowski | or some kind of magic? |
| 21:04.34 | trip0 | jacekowski, magic |
| 21:04.37 | trip0 | it uses nobdy |
| 21:04.42 | trip0 | which supports bluetooth |
| 21:04.46 | trip0 | or tcp over wifi |
| 21:04.50 | trip0 | (or the internet) |
| 21:05.57 | lcuk | trip0, have you tested whether your app can build on meego itself (ie have you got an rpm as well as a deb for it) |
| 21:06.07 | lcuk | and have you poked lbt with the source location |
| 21:06.16 | lcuk | i know how much he will like to try new code through obs ;) |
| 21:06.32 | trip0 | lcuk, it builds on my local system. it should also build on meego |
| 21:06.38 | trip0 | but i have yet to try it |
| 21:06.44 | trip0 | i'm hooking up with the obs now |
| 21:06.48 | trip0 | to try more |
| 21:06.52 | lcuk | cool, well I have left myself another reminder for monday |
| 21:07.37 | trip0 | in my case, meegobd will connect to nobdy which will connect over tcp/ip to another nobdy instance on an in-vehicle machine which logs and does automation and stuff |
| 21:08.11 | lcuk | cool, you have seen the ivi instance preview? |
| 21:08.16 | trip0 | yep |
| 21:08.22 | lcuk | not sure if that supports meegotouch yet tho? |
| 21:08.27 | trip0 | it should |
| 21:08.36 | trip0 | the handsfree dialer is written in mtf |
| 21:08.47 | trip0 | at least that was my understanding... |
| 21:09.04 | lcuk | understanding is good :) |
| 21:09.15 | trip0 | maybe the dev swapped out mtf for gtk.. |
| 21:09.23 | trip0 | but i understood it to be a fork of the handset dialer |
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| 21:09.35 | trip0 | right now i'm running meego handset |
| 21:09.40 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:09.42 | lbt | lcuk: trip0 has a fresh passwd |
| 21:09.49 | lcuk | \o/ |
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| 21:16.44 | trip0 | lbt, has a web frontend? |
| 21:17.00 | lbt | doesn't have a web frontend, no |
| 21:17.01 | trip0 | re obs* |
| 21:17.14 | lbt | has an irc frontend |
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| 21:19.04 | lcuk | lbt BUILD GITURL http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase@portrait_test http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc |
| 21:20.03 | lcuk | lbt /? |
| 21:20.16 | trip0 | lbt, you have an irc frontend to obs? |
| 21:20.17 | lbt | mmm? |
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| 21:20.18 | lcuk | thinks irc bots for build machines would be cool |
| 21:20.18 | trip0 | nice! |
| 21:20.19 | trip0 | :P |
| 21:20.29 | lbt | no.... |
| 21:20.31 | lbt | has an irc frontend |
| 21:20.58 | trip0 | hehe |
| 21:21.19 | lbt | lcuk: BOSS ... seriously |
| 21:21.52 | trip0 | searches for wiki on ocs usage |
| 21:21.58 | lcuk | you shall have to give me a guided tour over beer sometime soon david |
| 21:22.00 | trip0 | i can never remember the args for that thing |
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| 21:23.29 | trip0 | lbt, stuff that's built on the obs for maemo gets added to extras-devel? |
| 21:23.39 | lbt | trip0: not yet |
| 21:23.40 | lbt | soon |
| 21:23.45 | trip0 | and the obs doesn't have a web frontend? |
| 21:24.11 | trip0 | oops, found it :) |
| 21:24.14 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, as an engineer, i need your help |
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| 21:27.31 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: ? |
| 21:27.38 | SpeedEvil | plays an engineer on the internet. |
| 21:27.45 | MohammadAG51 | nothing n900 related :P |
| 21:27.49 | MohammadAG51 | samsung phone |
| 21:28.02 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, can I have the makefile mods you made to libliqbase for x86 please :) I want to have a look at something |
| 21:28.03 | trip0 | lbt, obs doesn't have access to the extras-devel repo? |
| 21:28.08 | SpeedEvil | I lurk on ##electronics a lot, and can design struff. |
| 21:28.18 | lbt | trip0: no, not really |
| 21:28.33 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Or wander over to ##electronics maybe. |
| 21:28.37 | trip0 | oh poo |
| 21:28.55 | trip0 | nothing provides debhelper >= 7, nothing provides libmeegotouch-dev |
| 21:28.57 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, yeah sure, i'll send them over in a bit mate |
| 21:29.02 | trip0 | :( |
| 21:29.04 | MohammadAG51 | just need to fix this phone |
| 21:29.12 | MohammadAG51 | it's broken either wya |
| 21:29.14 | MohammadAG51 | way* |
| 21:29.18 | lbt | trip0: heh... fixable somehow |
| 21:29.23 | lbt | lcuk: be glad too ... seen our latest slides? http://wiki.meego.com/Infrastructure/BOSS/Design |
| 21:29.27 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: In what way did you break it? |
| 21:29.39 | lbt | anyhow... 'night all |
| 21:29.50 | lcuk | "Nokia OBS" |
| 21:29.51 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, i didn't, it's a friend's |
| 21:29.52 | lcuk | NOBS? |
| 21:30.07 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: In what way did he/she/it break it? |
| 21:30.07 | lcuk | the acronyms around this part of computing make me facepalm everysingle day |
| 21:30.16 | MohammadAG51 | charging base |
| 21:30.26 | MohammadAG51 | and a ribbon was disconnected when i checked it |
| 21:30.39 | MohammadAG51 | it's the same as the one in the N900's slider |
| 21:30.46 | MohammadAG51 | by the looks of it |
| 21:30.51 | lcuk | wishes every group name was checked for facepalmyness |
| 21:30.55 | timeless | lcuk: fwiw, i got your ping |
| 21:31.07 | timeless | i'm certain i don't care before monday |
| 21:31.19 | timeless | i'm uncertain i care until a manager says "oh, we should do something" |
| 21:31.24 | lcuk | timeless, \o |
| 21:31.56 | rm_you | lol timeless |
| 21:31.57 | timeless | i'm pretty sure from memory that this is "someone else's fault" and "i more or less told them not to do something like that" |
| 21:32.17 | timeless | assuming this is the thing i think it is |
| 21:32.24 | jani | lol, that sounds like my wednesday after getting back from holidays |
| 21:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: let's take it to mhd |
| 21:32.31 | timeless | heh |
| 21:32.38 | trumee | timeless:hey |
| 21:32.40 | timeless | jani: my summer vacation is coming up in september |
| 21:32.51 | timeless | well, plus a quick weekend trip at the end of august |
| 21:33.02 | timeless | so i'm getting close to the "talk to the calendar" |
| 21:33.24 | trumee | timeless: a dev from collabora did some siptraces on my system. it seems that the gstreamer is buggy on N900 |
| 21:33.27 | lcuk | you flying stateside for hols? |
| 21:33.28 | timeless | that said, i'm hungry |
| 21:33.33 | trip0 | me too |
| 21:33.41 | timeless | lcuk: British Isles |
| 21:33.44 | trip0 | goes searching for food |
| 21:33.47 | timeless | trumee: cool |
| 21:33.49 | jani | i only had 1½ wee off |
| 21:33.51 | timeless | that's progress |
| 21:33.59 | timeless | good progress too |
| 21:34.08 | lcuk | timeless, cool, if you come up North give us a shout and can go for beerage :) |
| 21:34.10 | timeless | thanks for the update. now where's my wallet? |
| 21:34.17 | trumee | timeless: but the dev doesnt have time-line to fix it yet. |
| 21:34.21 | timeless | lcuk: lemme see if i have a map |
| 21:34.37 | trumee | timeless: so it is going to suck until then |
| 21:34.51 | timeless | that's normal |
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| 21:35.19 | trumee | timeless: what i am surprised about that why there are a few of us only (going by bug report 10388) affected by this. |
| 21:35.39 | timeless | i don't think sip is used quite as often as you think |
| 21:35.43 | timeless | or in the ways you think |
| 21:35.51 | trumee | timeless: yes, that might be the reason |
| 21:35.54 | timeless | i do know that nokia's IT complained about the n900 SIP stack |
| 21:36.09 | trumee | timeless: what was it about? |
| 21:36.09 | timeless | they specifically did not sponsor it as a "use this as a nokia sip client" |
| 21:36.38 | timeless | i don't remember the details, nor was i in a position to understand them <= I'm a browser engineer, not a SIP mechanic! |
| 21:36.45 | jani | and they gave Really Good headsets instead =) |
| 21:36.58 | trumee | timeless: symbian has a good sip client, wonder why it wasnt used in maemo |
| 21:37.04 | timeless | they recently started giving out MBP adapters |
| 21:37.17 | jani | i think i've had already 4 of those and going on fifth pair |
| 21:37.28 | timeless | so you could plug in headsets to your Mac's |
| 21:37.35 | jani | yeah, there was a plastic bag ducttaped on the it door =)) |
| 21:37.46 | timeless | yeah, that was cute, i picked one up, as did sp3000 |
| 21:37.56 | timeless | sp3000 explained that it was ~designed for macs~ |
| 21:37.58 | trumee | timeless: you are the guy who is going to bring flash 10.1 then :p |
| 21:38.27 | timeless | trumee: nah, but there's a team w/ it who would like to. they're trying, and i believe them, and I wish them luck |
| 21:38.45 | luke-jr | timeless: you just got quoted I think |
| 21:39.10 | timeless | luke-jr: this isn't a commitment |
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| 21:39.31 | luke-jr | timeless: but it's more than the nothing they had before :P |
| 21:39.36 | timeless | merely a "there's a flash team[public knowledge]" and they would like to ship 10.1 for n900 [not a great secret] |
| 21:39.53 | timeless | if you were a dev and had done something cool, wouldn't you like to share? |
| 21:39.55 | timeless | that's all |
| 21:39.59 | luke-jr | :p |
| 21:40.04 | luke-jr | just saying |
| 21:40.06 | timeless | whether you actually *can* share is a totally different question |
| 21:40.17 | timeless | sure. just explaining. it really doesn't mean anything will happen |
| 21:41.00 | trumee | luke-jr: i guess it is a matter of time. once meego has flash, it could be brought back to N900 |
| 21:41.39 | trumee | timeless: do you know what wireless router is used for N900 development? |
| 21:41.47 | trip0 | lbt, how much effort is involved in creating a obs extras-devel target? |
| 21:41.47 | luke-jr | trumee: bad logic |
| 21:42.10 | luke-jr | trumee: there is no reason to think MeeGo apps will be compatible with Maemo |
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| 21:42.13 | trip0 | cuz much of my stuff depends on stuff in extras-devel |
| 21:42.53 | trumee | luke-jr: if the source is open and the hardware is similar, shouldnt it be possible? |
| 21:43.02 | luke-jr | trumee: the source is never open |
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| 21:43.11 | trip0 | hmm.. |
| 21:43.13 | timeless | someone would have to tell me when the meego thingy is and where |
| 21:43.24 | timeless | it isn't in my calendar, and nokia and sponsorships = pain |
| 21:43.29 | timeless | totally not worth my effort |
| 21:43.35 | trip0 | wonders if he can add libmtf to his home repo |
| 21:43.47 | jani | timeless: conference you mean ? |
| 21:43.52 | timeless | yeah |
| 21:43.54 | jani | its in dublin .. |
| 21:44.05 | trumee | timeless: so any idea about wireless router? |
| 21:44.12 | timeless | nope |
| 21:44.18 | jani | but i dont remember the date :D |
| 21:44.22 | timeless | i think we have ~4 primary routers floating around |
| 21:44.52 | trumee | timeless: i was hoping i could buy a router and use sip with it (to be close to dev team) |
| 21:45.07 | jani | i had some grand plans to go there too.. just wondering if i could get my linemanager to pay for it. |
| 21:45.09 | timeless | there's a guy Patrik (?) |
| 21:45.15 | timeless | i think he used to have a public presence |
| 21:45.55 | trumee | timeless: ? |
| 21:45.56 | timeless | Patrik Flykt |
| 21:46.12 | timeless | he's a public figure, who works on the wifi stack |
| 21:46.13 | jani | timeless: Nov. 15-17, 2010 in Dublin, Ireland. |
| 21:46.35 | trumee | timeless: ah ok. |
| 21:46.45 | timeless | ah, that's after i'd be back, i think |
| 21:47.11 | timeless | my trip ends sometime after oct1 |
| 21:48.06 | timeless | anyway, food hunting time |
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| 21:50.15 | GAN900 | timeless, only a little. |
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| 21:50.28 | GAN900 | i.e., a few bug comments and a dozen emails to the list. |
| 21:50.53 | timeless | it's public enough that i'm willing to give out his name :) |
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| 21:51.15 | timeless | hrm, i think my n800 is getting gtalked.. |
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| 21:52.09 | timeless | that was unexpected.. |
| 21:52.27 | timeless | Can't perform operation. |
| 21:52.30 | timeless | Memory full |
| 21:52.36 | timeless | oh, that's mighty helpful |
| 21:52.39 | timeless | thanks n800 |
| 21:53.03 | jani | sees nightmares about "memory full" errors in n8X0 |
| 21:53.38 | timeless | so, i gues i should take my n800 offline so it stops eating my gtalk? |
| 21:54.03 | lcuk | stops gtalking |
| 21:54.40 | timeless | i'll pull it up in logs :) |
| 21:54.54 | timeless | imagine if this were jabber and my n800 was eating them? :) |
| 21:55.29 | timeless | kicks a -6 => -7 update which had 0 packages |
| 21:55.41 | timeless | but triggered a reboot, hence leaving the n800 as the winning gtalker |
| 21:56.21 | lcuk | timeless, leeds is the closest though |
| 21:56.33 | lcuk | infact, it doesn't matter much |
| 21:56.37 | lcuk | i will see you in dublin |
| 21:57.12 | timeless | please don't assume i'll make meego-dublin |
| 21:57.21 | timeless | that only happens if someone helps me through the nokia-conference hoops |
| 21:57.26 | timeless | which are ewaytoomucheffort |
| 21:58.31 | lcuk | meh, manchester is an hour away by car i will come over for non beer stuff then |
| 21:59.21 | rm_you | lcuk, you going to meego-dublin? |
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| 22:00.36 | luke-jr | what is dublin |
| 22:00.39 | luke-jr | :p |
| 22:00.42 | lcuk | should be |
| 22:00.59 | rm_you | i wonder if there are youth hostels i could stay in |
| 22:01.05 | timeless | there should be |
| 22:01.06 | rm_you | probably somewhere |
| 22:01.08 | timeless | i might do that |
| 22:01.11 | rm_you | yeah |
| 22:01.29 | rm_you | i think i can afford the tickets and get the vacation time set up |
| 22:01.39 | lcuk | rm_you, if you find the info, could you holler on #meego and get them on the wiki etc |
| 22:01.50 | lcuk | (may already be there?)_ |
| 22:02.32 | trip0 | builds mtf for maemo on obs |
| 22:02.41 | trip0 | :) |
| 22:02.46 | timeless | mtf? |
| 22:02.53 | trip0 | meegotouch |
| 22:03.16 | trip0 | ...framework |
| 22:03.23 | trumee | ah, meego is going to have a working syncml |
| 22:03.25 | lcuk | frogs |
| 22:03.41 | trumee | anybody ever got opensync working with N900? |
| 22:04.18 | trip0 | lbt, expansion errors all over the place |
| 22:04.27 | trip0 | what repo am i supposed to build against that works? |
| 22:04.43 | trip0 | i get stuff like "nothing provides automake >= 1:1.11," |
| 22:05.37 | jani | trip0: for libmeegotouch ? |
| 22:05.59 | trip0 | jani: well, this is for contextkit, which libmeegotouch needs |
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| 22:06.12 | trip0 | libmeegotouch will come if I can get these deps built |
| 22:06.40 | jani | aahk ok, i was thinking someone had added automake to libmeegotouch .. |
| 22:06.52 | trip0 | oh, no. :P |
| 22:07.23 | trip0 | that would be funny |
| 22:07.28 | trip0 | and silly |
| 22:08.08 | jani | and someone would have gotten a angry mail on monday morning. |
| 22:08.17 | trip0 | :P |
| 22:11.27 | trip0 | hmm |
| 22:11.40 | trip0 | what's the package in maemo to give you build-essential? |
| 22:12.00 | trip0 | and what repo do i need to add? |
| 22:12.42 | lcuk | maemo sdk + tools |
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| 22:12.50 | SpeedEvil | Dammit. |
| 22:12.53 | trip0 | lcuk, i want to build native on my n900 |
| 22:12.55 | SpeedEvil | I need a flying n900. |
| 22:13.11 | SpeedEvil | Or a minion to fetch me mine. |
| 22:13.21 | SpeedEvil | Or alternatively, a flying sofa. |
| 22:13.27 | trip0 | lol |
| 22:13.44 | lcuk | trip0, and I was telling you |
| 22:13.52 | trip0 | oh |
| 22:13.53 | lcuk | build-essential takes about 80mb atm |
| 22:13.54 | lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories |
| 22:14.14 | lcuk | some of it needs optifying or adding to the boottime optify |
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| 22:14.46 | GAN900 | rm_you, you gonna apply for sponsorship? *eg* |
| 22:14.52 | trip0 | lcuk, is this going to clog up my root partition? |
| 22:14.52 | lcuk | build-essential works and it can happily make simple c and c++ apps |
| 22:14.57 | SpeedEvil | trip0: yes |
| 22:14.59 | lcuk | trip0, yes |
| 22:15.10 | trip0 | yay, all i need is simple c/c++ compilation |
| 22:15.11 | SpeedEvil | trip0: I recommend copying / onto /home/user/data/ or somewhere. |
| 22:15.19 | SpeedEvil | trip0: Then chrooting into that |
| 22:15.34 | trip0 | hrm |
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| 22:16.19 | lcuk | will a standard cp / /home/user/data work? i expect no? |
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| 22:16.58 | trip0 | rootfs has 58152 free :( |
| 22:17.25 | lcuk | puts build-essential on at first, and I have a lot more stuff on now |
| 22:17.51 | trip0 | starts uninstalling crap |
| 22:19.12 | lcuk | added /usr/share/include to /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf |
| 22:19.48 | trip0 | what is this optify you speak? |
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| 22:20.08 | trip0 | root is only 256mb? |
| 22:20.09 | trip0 | wth |
| 22:20.22 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime |
| 22:20.27 | lcuk | yes |
| 22:20.57 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf |
| 22:21.00 | trip0 | hrm |
| 22:21.00 | lcuk | specifically |
| 22:21.31 | trip0 | what's it do? |
| 22:22.11 | lcuk | moves out folders from rootfs to a subfolder in /opt |
| 22:22.17 | lcuk | and symlinks the folder |
| 22:22.58 | luke-jr | lcuk: why not /usr/share ? |
| 22:23.07 | trip0 | oh cool |
| 22:23.29 | trip0 | is in extras-devel? |
| 22:23.42 | lcuk | no trip0, its on the filesystem since pr1.2 |
| 22:23.58 | trip0 | oh, cool |
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| 22:33.18 | Lateralus | I've used Mobility a good deal in the past three months |
| 22:33.48 | Lateralus | dang |
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| 22:34.08 | Lateralus | this buffer was scrolled way back in its history, I was responding to a conversation from a day or so ago |
| 22:34.38 | timeless | heh |
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| 22:40.44 | DrIDK | hi ! we cannot upload : |
| 22:40.46 | DrIDK | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.47 | DrIDK | [00:29] <yannux> To ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/vlc-remote |
| 22:40.49 | DrIDK | [00:29] <yannux> ! [remote rejected] master -> master (n/a (unpacker error)) |
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| 23:32.05 | crashanddie | DrIDK: one word: lol |
| 23:32.48 | DrIDK | crashanddie: ... :( |
| 23:33.16 | cheriff | hello, is there somewhere online I can download the stock zImage kernel file? all i can find is the power-users package |
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| 23:34.13 | cheriff | and google seems full of overclockers when i try search for it :) |
| 23:34.29 | aziwoqpd | you could use flasher to extract it from the fiasco firmware image |
| 23:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:35.02 | cheriff | um yeah .. lets assume its to late for that :( |
| 23:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | only location to find it afaik |
| 23:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | err how? |
| 23:35.28 | cheriff | droped a modified one over the top |
| 23:35.39 | cheriff | (as provided by a 3rd party) |
| 23:35.48 | aziwoqpd | flasher does the extraction on your computer not on the phone |
| 23:35.51 | aziwoqpd | its some command line option |
| 23:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | no idea what you're talking bout |
| 23:36.25 | cheriff | i was given a replacement, and it running that now. (this is experimental stuff, for work) |
| 23:36.37 | cheriff | however its also a nice phone - so i'd like to revert, is all. |
| 23:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | download fiasco*COMBINED* from Nokia site, use flasher to extract zimage |
| 23:36.51 | cheriff | oh i see. |
| 23:37.18 | cheriff | for sume reason i though your meant from the fiasco image on the device |
| 23:37.28 | cheriff | thanks |
| 23:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 23:38.13 | tybollt | iw |
| 23:38.49 | trip0 | ew |
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| 23:44.28 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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