| 00:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo ~ |
| 00:02.32 | infobot | there's no such factoid as ~, DocScrutinizer |
| 00:03.58 | Tiagotiago | there, deleted the targets of the links, lets see if that fix it |
| 00:05.58 | Tiagotiago | deleting that and extensions.* in the profile seems to have done it |
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| 00:18.18 | Tiagotiago | at least the part about removing the extensions |
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| 00:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest a >>apt-get install $(apt-cache search microb|grep " - "|cut -f 1 -d " ") --purge --reinstall |
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| 00:32.14 | TiagoTiago | as root? |
| 00:33.27 | MohammadAG51 | wonders why dreamremote isn't working |
| 00:34.03 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get install = needs to lock a dir + unpack to dirs, such as /usr, so yeah, as root |
| 00:34.14 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 00:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | not tested! only if you know what you're doing (won't probably work ootb anyway) |
| 00:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: maybe your dreams are detuned |
| 00:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: anyway appending a -s won't hurt for first testrun |
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| 00:41.05 | nox- | MohammadAG51, maybe too old firmware? |
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| 00:46.36 | TiagoTiago | it said, among other things, this: http://pastebin.com/TZsB9XzL |
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| 00:48.24 | TiagoTiago | do i need to do anything about it? |
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| 01:01.06 | TiagoTiago | doesn't seem like anything has changed :/ |
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| 01:43.05 | luke-jr | my N900's been off AC for 11 hours-- down to 40% battery left |
| 01:43.13 | luke-jr | man, R&D mode really really kills battery life XD |
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| 01:56.29 | SpeedEvil | sighs at fucking web designers. |
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| 01:57.04 | SpeedEvil | 100K - of html - to show a simple list of 20 products. |
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| 01:57.30 | MohammadAG | Dreamboxes rock! |
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| 01:57.45 | MohammadAG | I can mute a sucky TV show w/o anyone noticing how I did |
| 01:57.50 | MohammadAG | <3 web interfaces |
| 01:58.43 | SpeedEvil | 'this thing doesn't work' |
| 01:58.54 | SpeedEvil | 'I know, for his birthday, we'll install a tivo' |
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| 02:01.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping? |
| 02:01.41 | MohammadAG | Been playing around with LEDs on Ubuntu, it's (very) low quality, but that's understandable since I downscaled it from 15MBs to 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PysqcYAQtto |
| 02:02.30 | MohammadAG | running the script twice is kinda fun xD |
| 02:02.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | pong |
| 02:02.58 | Macer | damnit |
| 02:03.01 | Macer | my power went out |
| 02:03.15 | Macer | and it's like 100 degrees and humid |
| 02:03.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, link above |
| 02:03.20 | Macer | NO AC! AHHHH!! |
| 02:03.35 | Macer | opens the ac app on his n900 |
| 02:04.27 | SpeedEvil | Macer: I have a solution for you! |
| 02:04.33 | SpeedEvil | Macer: you can come and live in my shed. |
| 02:04.35 | Macer | a backup generator :( |
| 02:04.38 | SpeedEvil | It's pleasantly cool. |
| 02:04.40 | Macer | i'm going to buy one soon |
| 02:04.44 | Macer | power outages SUCK |
| 02:04.58 | Macer | especially days like this where it is like 99% humidity |
| 02:04.59 | SpeedEvil | Macer: And I think I've killed all of the rats |
| 02:05.06 | MohammadAG | agreed, especially with a laptop like mine |
| 02:05.09 | Macer | haha |
| 02:05.16 | MohammadAG | 11 minute battery life |
| 02:05.20 | MohammadAG | from 100 to cold dead |
| 02:05.21 | Macer | well. if the power doesn't turn on soon my fridge will spoil |
| 02:05.30 | Macer | but i'm sure the freezer can keep in the cool for quite a while |
| 02:05.40 | MohammadAG | 4h |
| 02:05.42 | MohammadAG | or 8h |
| 02:05.51 | MohammadAG | power was down for 7h last week |
| 02:06.02 | Macer | MohammadAG: yeah. we had one like that last month |
| 02:06.10 | Macer | summertime :) too many air conditioners |
| 02:06.20 | Macer | then again they probably shut it off on purpose to do stupid crap |
| 02:06.28 | Macer | and say it was a problem with this or that |
| 02:06.30 | SpeedEvil | I've overclocked my fridge. |
| 02:06.37 | MohammadAG | yeah, like charging an N900 or sth |
| 02:06.41 | SpeedEvil | (well, I removed the baffle that normally insulates it) |
| 02:06.45 | Macer | my ups isn't going to last much longer even with the main fileserver down |
| 02:06.48 | SpeedEvil | It's now at -15C, not 4. |
| 02:06.56 | SpeedEvil | And I'm using it as another freezer. |
| 02:06.56 | Macer | i probably have like 45 mins left with this low power stuff on it |
| 02:07.30 | Macer | the baffle that insulates it? |
| 02:07.41 | Macer | don't you want more insulation in a freezer? :) |
| 02:07.55 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Ideally. I've got some pressed against the sides. |
| 02:08.12 | Macer | is it like some hard core industrial insulation? :) |
| 02:08.21 | SpeedEvil | Macer: it's a fridge/freezer. It's got a tiny freezer compartmnet at the top, and a larger compartment at teh bottom |
| 02:08.44 | Macer | i'm waiting for my ups to flatline :) |
| 02:08.49 | Macer | the beeps are getting closer |
| 02:09.03 | SpeedEvil | These are seperated by a barrier normally which when the freezer part is at the correct temperature allows enough heat to leak up from the fridge to keep the fridge at the correct temp. |
| 02:09.11 | SpeedEvil | REmove the barrier, and it gets a lot colder. |
| 02:09.45 | SpeedEvil | I have maybe 6h of uptime on UPS, and can swap to battery bank + inverter for another 48 or so. |
| 02:10.00 | SpeedEvil | Then I'd need to fix the generator. |
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| 03:39.18 | CasTTeLLo | hello |
| 03:39.35 | CasTTeLLo | need helper here... |
| 03:40.08 | pronto | ask your question , dont ask to ask |
| 03:40.10 | pronto | just ask |
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| 03:40.39 | CasTTeLLo | how to use fm tran widget? |
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| 03:42.10 | pronto | have you checked the wiki/forums/google? |
| 03:43.43 | CasTTeLLo | forum yeap but -ve |
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| 03:51.53 | TiagoTiago | one last thing before i go sleep, i think i figured out how to solve my issue, the mozilla folder can't be hidden, can't have a dot int he beginning of the name, just a fucking dot was causing all this mess, just get rid of the dot and you're done, it's that simple!!! :D |
| 03:53.21 | TiagoTiago | anywaygotta go sleep, cya |
| 03:58.48 | CasTTeLLo | hhmmm.. |
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| 05:19.00 | ieatlint | general question: how stupid is it to think that formatting a flash drive to udf is a good idea because then windows, linux, osx all can read/write without 3rd party drivers? |
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| 05:22.36 | luke-jr | ieatlint: and they can't with vfat? |
| 05:23.14 | ieatlint | they can, but fat32 has a 4gb filesize limit |
| 05:23.20 | ieatlint | and that is a problem |
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| 07:17.55 | jacekowski | morning |
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| 07:22.37 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:22.46 | luke-jr | hands jacekowski and Jaffa the trash. |
| 07:23.50 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Ta |
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| 07:32.16 | mece | oooh a new user posted his first talk post. in a whine on nokia thread, AND (and here's the kicker) It was a good post! omg! |
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| 07:33.37 | SwedeMike | url? |
| 07:33.53 | mece | 81.22.246.6 |
| 07:33.55 | mece | erm.. |
| 07:33.56 | mece | no |
| 07:33.59 | mece | LOL |
| 07:34.07 | mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=783671&postcount=15 |
| 07:34.08 | mece | hehe |
| 07:35.12 | mece | SwedeMike: was it you? |
| 07:35.17 | SwedeMike | no. |
| 07:35.24 | mece | ok. Another mike then :) |
| 07:35.47 | Jaffa | mece: Is it all the Council's fault? |
| 07:36.10 | Jaffa | mece: Ooh, good first post. |
| 07:36.36 | mece | Jaffa, I don't know, all I saw was Whine Whine whine, sarcasm, ACTUAL QUESTION, whine, sarcasm |
| 07:38.52 | crashanddie | Jaffa: yes, everything's always the Council's fault |
| 07:39.04 | crashanddie | Jaffa: btw, how are the elections coming along? You should start campaigning |
| 07:40.10 | jacekowski | well, council is doing fuck all to my experience |
| 07:40.10 | luke-jr | no |
| 07:40.14 | jacekowski | and just cover their ass |
| 07:40.14 | luke-jr | the Council is infallible |
| 07:40.28 | TermanaN900 | stick it to the man |
| 07:40.30 | jacekowski | they are like a nokia bitches |
| 07:40.32 | TermanaN900 | and women |
| 07:40.36 | luke-jr | lol |
| 07:40.42 | crashanddie | jacekowski: yeah, like GAN never criticised Nokia, eh? |
| 07:41.08 | TermanaN900 | crashanddie, thats ALL GAN does now |
| 07:41.14 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 07:41.22 | jacekowski | well, i still remember chromium issue |
| 07:41.23 | luke-jr | put me on the council |
| 07:41.27 | luke-jr | I won't know wtf to do |
| 07:41.28 | luke-jr | lol |
| 07:41.30 | alterego | Loving QML, |
| 07:41.39 | jacekowski | and all council did was just said how bad red bend is |
| 07:41.39 | mece | QML FTFW! |
| 07:41.43 | jacekowski | and we should listen to nokia |
| 07:41.46 | luke-jr | why is there even a Maemo Council when Maemo is dead anyhow? |
| 07:42.05 | aziwoqpd | to organize the zombie horde |
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| 07:42.10 | mece | maemo is not dead, it's just resting |
| 07:42.17 | alterego | Want to see what I can do with Qt, QML & OpenGL ES 2 |
| 07:42.17 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr, its like the executors of an estate |
| 07:42.19 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 07:42.20 | mece | ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE! RUUUUNNN!! |
| 07:42.20 | jacekowski | rest in piece |
| 07:42.22 | jacekowski | s |
| 07:42.31 | luke-jr | TermanaN900: except Council has no authority⦠|
| 07:42.31 | mece | alterego, simple minds think alike :D |
| 07:42.48 | luke-jr | if council has authority⦠srsly elect me so I can free gpsdriver and BME |
| 07:42.52 | mece | wtf, now this room turned into a whine thread. |
| 07:42.56 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr, well no, but i just meant the dead part really :P |
| 07:43.03 | alterego | mece: you're mixing media too? :) |
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| 07:43.18 | jacekowski | luke-jr: watching bme code will melt your brain |
| 07:43.23 | luke-jr | mece: I didn't know IRC supported threading! |
| 07:43.36 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I just want to compile it with -O9! |
| 07:43.39 | Jaffa | jacekowski: Err, on Chromium I remember repeatedly sending you emails asking if such-and-such an action on the code was feasible; or asking if you wanted us to help talk to Red Bend with you. You didn't answer or reply at all. |
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| 07:43.46 | alterego | IRX is pipes and filters :) |
| 07:43.59 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, having to USE it will melt your brain |
| 07:44.08 | mece | alterego, well no, but I also "Want to see what I can do with Qt, QML & OpenGL ES 2" |
| 07:44.09 | mece | :D |
| 07:44.23 | alterego | Ah, cool |
| 07:44.36 | Jaffa | luke-jr: It's a Maemo *Community* council. Go read the fucking thread, and take jacekowski with you to actually learn something before mouthing off. |
| 07:44.46 | mece | alterego, I watched the demo on the trollblog and was amazed. |
| 07:44.54 | luke-jr | Jaffa: you take life too seriously. srsly. |
| 07:45.26 | luke-jr | maybe you need to join #luke-jrIsAnAsshat |
| 07:45.27 | mece | Isn't chromium in the repos anyway? |
| 07:45.31 | Jaffa | luke-jr: No, I just reached the end of my tether. |
| 07:45.37 | jacekowski | mece: it's in my repo |
| 07:45.44 | rmrfchik | teh drama? |
| 07:45.45 | mece | jacekowski, oh. |
| 07:45.51 | alterego | I like how smooth QML feels on the device. |
| 07:46.01 | mece | alterego, what have you done? |
| 07:46.01 | luke-jr | Jaffa: I have no clue what we're talking about, just saying random things that sound interesting |
| 07:46.03 | jacekowski | and some people are just too stupid |
| 07:46.12 | jacekowski | that's e-mail i've recieved recently |
| 07:46.18 | jacekowski | can you please help me install chrome on my N900. |
| 07:46.18 | jacekowski | I am not able to locate the libxss on the link provided. |
| 07:46.38 | luke-jr | o wells |
| 07:46.39 | luke-jr | night |
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| 07:47.04 | mece | jacekowski, wot? I just clicked the thing and it installed. Go figure. |
| 07:47.05 | alterego | mece: Well, I've got OpenGL and Qt playing nice. I'm just looking into QML now, how I can interface with it from C++ and vice versa. |
| 07:47.22 | jacekowski | mece: well, some people have problem |
| 07:47.32 | alterego | Making custom QML widgets and also linking up application code dynamically. |
| 07:47.58 | jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium#comments |
| 07:47.59 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 07:48.03 | mece | alterego, sounds complicated. I just wanna do everything in QML, since it's easy. |
| 07:48.24 | Jaffa | mece: No, Nokia received a C&D from Red Bend. http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ jacekowski, as package maintainer, and the council were informed and told what Nokia Legal would do. We agreed to take it down as a gesture of good faith so that we could start discussions about uploading a version without courgette and whether jacekowski was interested in us talking to Red Bend to see if that would be sufficient (i.e |
| 07:48.45 | alterego | mece: I was thinking of having my ui specified in QML, then C++ binds the application logic to the QML elements through element ids'. |
| 07:48.55 | Jaffa | So, you can understand I'm a bit pissed off that the packager in that instance claims we're covering our asses and shills for Nokia. |
| 07:48.58 | jacekowski | i did upload version without courgette |
| 07:49.03 | jacekowski | and it was removed |
| 07:49.23 | alterego | So anyone can hack the look and feel of my app, as long as the keep the write ids and interfaces for those elements. |
| 07:50.04 | alterego | sorry, just woken up, they, right ... :D |
| 07:51.14 | alterego | mece: have you done anything interesting with QML? I was thinking of writing a media player replacement. |
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| 07:51.49 | alterego | But I'm still thinking of ideas, I'll probably do something else. |
| 07:51.51 | Jaffa | jacekowski: If you don't tell people whether it's just the source, just the binary and don't reply whether or not you want us to talk to Red Bend on your behalf, I can't help you |
| 07:54.33 | crashanddie | Jaffa: jacekowski is a righteous troll, just let it go |
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| 07:58.41 | lejonet | I am following the maemo wiki's MADDE guide but when I get to the part where I am to link em together thru USB I dont get an wired interface called usb0 (I dont run any network manager at all) |
| 07:58.59 | mece | alterego, no I've not done anything, I only came across the demo yesterday and checked out some code. I'm working (very slowly) on a qt board game, and thought I might go QML. Currently PyQt |
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| 08:00.19 | jacekowski | lejonet: you get it |
| 08:00.33 | jacekowski | lejonet: but it's down by default so you have to use ifconfig -a to see it |
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| 08:01.17 | lejonet | jacekowski: I dont see it with ifconfig -a |
| 08:01.49 | alterego | mece: I was thinking of writing a multiplayer Go! game that communicates with clients via a http service. |
| 08:02.17 | lejonet | jacekowski: I am guessing it is an USB module for the kernel I might be missing? |
| 08:02.27 | jacekowski | do you have usb interface on a phone? |
| 08:02.58 | alterego | I wonder if there's a market for a monthly subscription service that offers games based on QML :) |
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| 08:05.00 | alterego | mece: writing custom widgets look fun though :) I might port my GPS app to QML |
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| 08:07.35 | crashanddie | alterego: screenshot? |
| 08:07.47 | lejonet | jacekowski: Yeah, I have an N900 |
| 08:07.59 | jacekowski | i mean, do you have usb0 interface |
| 08:08.05 | crashanddie | lol |
| 08:08.08 | crashanddie | lejonet: nice one ;) |
| 08:08.14 | lejonet | crashanddie: yeah ^^ |
| 08:08.21 | jacekowski | hmm, you still have usb port on n900? |
| 08:08.23 | lejonet | jacekowski: according to mad developer yes |
| 08:08.46 | crashanddie | lejonet: not the phone, the fact you thought you had to mention you owned an n900. |
| 08:08.46 | jacekowski | some people have lost it |
| 08:09.34 | lejonet | crashanddie: Well seeing as it might be relevant seeing as different phones handle stuff differently :P |
| 08:09.49 | crashanddie | lejonet: there's only the N900 that runs Maemo 5 |
| 08:09.52 | lejonet | jacekowski: I have an usb0 interface both in Mad developer and it shows with ifconfig |
| 08:09.56 | alterego | crashanddie: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus |
| 08:10.01 | lejonet | crashanddie: Did not know that ^^ |
| 08:10.06 | crashanddie | alterego: ta |
| 08:10.23 | alterego | crashanddie: very wip at the moment :) |
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| 08:10.39 | crashanddie | alterego: nice |
| 08:10.43 | crashanddie | alterego: how smooth is it? |
| 08:10.50 | alterego | Very :) |
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| 08:10.57 | alterego | That's pure Qt |
| 08:11.01 | crashanddie | alterego: I wouldn't mind having the compass (194609.png) mounted on my bike :D |
| 08:11.23 | alterego | crashanddie: funnily enoough, that is actually why I'm writing it :D |
| 08:11.28 | mece | alterego, oooo purrty! |
| 08:11.35 | crashanddie | alterego: hehehe |
| 08:11.48 | alterego | I'm going to add average speed functions trip counter etc. |
| 08:11.55 | crashanddie | alterego: if you enable that with a gpx file logging, I'm going to rub against your leg |
| 08:12.17 | alterego | crashanddie: loggiing is already working, I'll look kinto gpx dumping. |
| 08:12.17 | mece | It's weird, in all the turmoil and whining and zombie apocalypse of maemo, I'm constantly getting more and more excited about my n900. |
| 08:12.20 | kerio | rub *what* against his leg? |
| 08:12.31 | alterego | Heh |
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| 08:12.47 | crashanddie | kerio: I'll leave that to your imagination |
| 08:13.11 | kerio | my dog does that, it's disturbing... |
| 08:13.11 | alterego | right, gotta get ready for dentist appointment. bbl |
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| 08:14.14 | crashanddie | alterego: sounds like someone else is going to rub your teeth :P |
| 08:16.52 | mece | hey, quick, I need a screencap of the head up display inside the helmet of Street Hawk, the 80ies tv series! |
| 08:17.35 | lejonet | jacekowski: I guess i'll have to wait until I am home and have wireless access to both |
| 08:18.12 | jacekowski | usb networking is a lot faster |
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| 08:20.23 | lejonet | jacekowski: Well I cannot seem to get further than my machine recognizing an USB device that is called RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget manufactured by Linux2.6.28-omap1 with musb_hdrc is connected, no responce about any interface at all :/ but on the N900 I can both see in mad developer that it is indeed using g_ether, it is configured with an static IP and ifconfig shows the usb0 interace |
| 08:20.29 | lejonet | interface* |
| 08:20.41 | jacekowski | windows? |
| 08:20.45 | lejonet | Gentoo |
| 08:20.47 | jacekowski | ahh |
| 08:20.52 | jacekowski | that would explain it |
| 08:20.56 | jacekowski | use normal distribution |
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| 08:21.06 | lejonet | uhm excuse me? |
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| 08:21.31 | jacekowski | use distribution where it doesn't take days to install any application |
| 08:21.32 | mece | OMGWTFLOL! Ribs as student lunch! |
| 08:21.43 | lejonet | The screenshots seems to be taken (in the wiki that is) with ubuntu |
| 08:22.08 | lejonet | jacekowski: I prefer having a system that only does what I want it to do, and it doesnt take that long to install anything actually |
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| 08:22.32 | jacekowski | have you tried installing gimp or open office? |
| 08:22.43 | crashanddie | ok, let's end this discussion right here, guys |
| 08:22.43 | lejonet | Yes, I actually have both installed |
| 08:22.51 | jacekowski | -bin? |
| 08:23.03 | lejonet | of OOo, but not for gimp |
| 08:23.34 | lejonet | but that is because OOos build process is borked and cannot be multithreaded due do bad build scripts from Oracle(former Sun) |
| 08:24.04 | lejonet | gimp took about 11 mins to build on an Core2 Duo SU7300 |
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| 08:24.29 | crashanddie | lejonet: last warning before you're quieted, I don't care about it, nor does the channel |
| 08:24.30 | lejonet | Well like I said before, I might be missing an USB module, i'll check my kernel |
| 08:24.48 | jacekowski | waspy today |
| 08:24.59 | lejonet | He asked, but I see your point, my apologize |
| 08:25.20 | crashanddie | it's just that the whole gentoo debate team has been round here plenty of times, and I'm tired of the flaming and burns it causes |
| 08:25.29 | lejonet | ooh? |
| 08:25.43 | crashanddie | lejonet: I could also ask you to quote last 80 pages of the bible, not sure you'd do it, right? |
| 08:25.52 | vltR | hello.. could anyone help me to mount ftp destination on N900 ? |
| 08:25.58 | crashanddie | so "he asked" really is about as strong an argument for blaming someone else as "he started" |
| 08:26.41 | lejonet | Well I wanted correct his statement about Gentoo not being a normal distro, it is as normal as any else, just it is not for everyone |
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| 08:27.02 | crashanddie | I'm pretty sure most of the internet knows that |
| 08:27.42 | lejonet | I just hate the stupid comments you usually get when you mention that you use gentoo |
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| 08:29.58 | jacekowski | i wonder if i'm still banned on #paludis |
| 08:30.55 | lejonet | why did you get banned there? (I dont use it anyway :P) |
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| 08:31.24 | jacekowski | about 4 years ago |
| 08:31.30 | jacekowski | when paludis was new and barely worked |
| 08:31.38 | jacekowski | i joined that channel |
| 08:31.40 | lejonet | according to some it still barely works :P |
| 08:31.56 | jacekowski | and said hi, and asked when paludis would be usable |
| 08:32.06 | jacekowski | that was all |
| 08:32.30 | lejonet | Well yeah, I have heard horror stories about the paludis devs :P Does not surprise me |
| 08:32.31 | crashanddie | \ |
| 08:32.31 | crashanddie | \ |
| 08:32.35 | crashanddie | sorry |
| 08:32.38 | crashanddie | cleaning keyboard |
| 08:32.42 | jacekowski | crashanddie: now kick yourself |
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| 08:33.08 | jacekowski | lejonet: at the time it was only one dev |
| 08:33.21 | Ford_Prefect | <giggle> |
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| 08:33.33 | jacekowski | and well, i was using gentoo at 1.6Ghz amd |
| 08:33.35 | lejonet | jacekowski: ouchies :P |
| 08:33.50 | jacekowski | but then my motherboard died |
| 08:34.03 | jacekowski | and other mobo had problems with that cpu |
| 08:34.12 | jacekowski | so i had to use 850MHz duron |
| 08:34.26 | lejonet | haha that is a huge bummer |
| 08:34.27 | jacekowski | and i still remember 30h build of open office |
| 08:34.56 | lejonet | Well like they say in gentoo-chat, no one with their sanity actually compiles OOo, unless they got an monster machine :P |
| 08:35.14 | jacekowski | or 10 minues of calculating dependencies for emerge -avDN world |
| 08:35.25 | jacekowski | hmm, n should be lowercase |
| 08:35.32 | jacekowski | no |
| 08:35.36 | lejonet | nope |
| 08:35.50 | lejonet | -DuvaN |
| 08:35.56 | lejonet | for upgrading |
| 08:36.11 | Ford_Prefect | Should still be less, unless your HDD was a pos |
| 08:36.24 | jacekowski | Ford_Prefect: 4 years ago portage was slow |
| 08:36.26 | Ford_Prefect | Or your metadata cache was completely b0rked |
| 08:36.50 | jacekowski | well, it's still slow, but 4 years ago it was worse |
| 08:36.58 | jacekowski | esspecialy with coupld overlays |
| 08:37.02 | jacekowski | loads of packages installed |
| 08:37.03 | Ford_Prefect | jacekowski: I was using it 4 years ago too, on a PIII running at 550 Mhz :) |
| 08:37.24 | lejonet | jacekowski: found the missing link, it was an kernel module missing :P |
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| 08:37.33 | crashanddie | wonders whether #maemo isn't obvious enough as a channel name |
| 08:37.35 | lejonet | USB gadget driver lol :P |
| 08:37.55 | crashanddie | renames #maemo to #gentoo-offtopic for the time being |
| 08:38.20 | Ford_Prefect | Nah, it would have to be #maemo-offtopic. We're completely on-topic for a Gentoo channel :p |
| 08:38.30 | Ford_Prefect | cuts it out |
| 08:39.59 | lejonet | crashanddie: My sincere apologies, I did not mean to create an gentoo discussion, but I have now found what was causing my N900 to not be found |
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| 08:41.18 | lejonet | the wiki is editable by registred users right? I might add that you need to make sure you have that module unless you use an distro that have most stuff in the kernel as modules like Arch, Puppy and Ubuntu |
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| 08:42.21 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 08:42.34 | timeless_mbp | lejonet: how do you not find your n900? |
| 08:42.39 | timeless_mbp | isn't it in your pocket? |
| 08:43.07 | lejonet | timeless_mbp: not atm, its on the table :P But my computer wasnt aware of that :P it was happily unaware |
| 08:43.41 | jacekowski | lejonet: it's editable by all |
| 08:43.58 | defragger | is there any useful personal wiki for maemo available? |
| 08:44.36 | lejonet | jacekowski: i'll just add it then |
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| 08:50.26 | alterego | win: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10940342 |
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| 09:23.42 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 09:26.28 | Khertan | how do you do ? |
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| 09:31.08 | kosick | hi, does anybody know, if it is possible to get a complete fullscreen for the terminal? Without that "controlbar" or maybe like the disapearing one in the browser? |
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| 09:31.28 | timeless | if you writey our own terminal? sure :) |
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| 09:32.03 | lcuk | hey guys, apparantly I cannot ask this in #debian, so I will ask here |
| 09:32.06 | lcuk | <lcuk> Hello debian-gods! I have a question.. In a package (foo) I have a Depends: field which specifies a package name only (bar) without mentioning version. If the user already has an old version of this package installed am I correct in thinking that even if a newer bar package is available on the repository, it will not be pulled down and installed and the package will happily install continuing with the older one? |
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| 09:33.37 | lcuk | I broke liqbase package updates with this and I want to make sure I set it correctly this time |
| 09:33.40 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: yeah, that's my assumption as well. I would ask in #debian though :P |
| 09:34.05 | hrw|gprs | #debian-devel or #ubuntu-devel |
| 09:34.32 | hrw|gprs | 1Mbps internet link suxx |
| 09:35.06 | lcuk | hrw|gprs, better than a 0Mbps link ;) I like your connection method btw |
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| 09:36.37 | lcuk | o_O I think frals has morphed into a debian god |
| 09:36.41 | lcuk | * jpinx-eeepc slaps lcuk around with a fresh trout |
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| 09:38.06 | timeless | lcuk: it depends on the package manager |
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| 09:38.13 | timeless | but yeah ham doesn't eagerly update |
| 09:38.19 | jpinx-eeepc | lcuk: :p |
| 09:38.30 | timeless | just provide a newer package w/ a stronger dependency |
| 09:39.20 | lcuk | yeah timeless that was thinking but remembering to set it afterupdating the library is a problem and the package template currently does not specify a version |
| 09:39.26 | timeless | lcuk: btw, you might consider having a user/ meta package |
| 09:39.32 | timeless | which has absolutely no data, just dependencies |
| 09:39.43 | timeless | that way you can force an update of either of your two(+) components |
| 09:39.49 | timeless | w/o forcing hte user to pay for the other one(s) |
| 09:40.03 | lcuk | ahhh timeless good idea |
| 09:40.25 | lcuk | so if I have 10 apps which are installed using unversioned it won't matter |
| 09:40.43 | MohammadAG | facebook, the most f'd up thing I've seen |
| 09:40.43 | lcuk | because as soon as I update the meta package for hte library then it will be updated anyway |
| 09:40.47 | MohammadAG | leaves again |
| 09:40.51 | lcuk | thats a really good idea, thanks |
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| 09:41.45 | BCMM | i'm making a replacement boot video |
| 09:41.57 | ptmn_ | Oh shi- |
| 09:42.05 | BCMM | i've read a nice wiki article or forum thread about how to correctly encode them, but i can't find it now |
| 09:42.08 | BCMM | can anyone help? |
| 09:42.14 | ptmn_ | hildon-thumbnailerd eats 100% of CPU! |
| 09:43.41 | BCMM | also, can it be done with mencoder? |
| 09:44.11 | chem|st | ptmn_: after boot or after you took a picture? |
| 09:44.20 | ptmn_ | after boot |
| 09:44.32 | chem|st | there is a bug for you... 2secs |
| 09:44.37 | ptmn_ | i removed some pics and it's ok now |
| 09:44.54 | chem|st | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10558 |
| 09:44.55 | povbot | Bug 10558: hildon-thumbnail eats CPU after powerup without any change to files |
| 09:45.11 | RST38h | Well... |
| 09:45.25 | chem|st | had no time yet to strace it if you like to you are welcome |
| 09:45.31 | RST38h | You do know there is a setting in Tracker "disable initial media scan when running on battery"? |
| 09:45.46 | RST38h | chem|st: This is not a bug. It is a ...mhm...feature |
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| 09:46.35 | chem|st | RST38h: It has no button for normal users so it is a bug |
| 09:46.50 | lcuk | hmm RST38h you got the info on that setting?? |
| 09:46.58 | RST38h | chem|st: The whole Tracker is a bug then |
| 09:47.05 | chem|st | RST38h: yes |
| 09:47.08 | RST38h | lcuk: It is documented right there, with a comment |
| 09:47.15 | RST38h | agrees with chem|st on this |
| 09:47.22 | chem|st | ;) |
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| 09:47.48 | RST38h | chem|st: How about disabling Tracker completely and making a desktop button that says "Scan media NOW"? |
| 09:48.03 | chem|st | this darn thing starts scanning after I took a single picture and freezes desktop for about 3 mins |
| 09:48.08 | lcuk | jpinx-eeepc, what other handhelds do you have at the moment? |
| 09:48.30 | RST38h | yep, there is no way to make more than one photo at a time |
| 09:48.31 | lcuk | (and btw, there is an easy-debian chroot available for use within maemo :) |
| 09:48.40 | RST38h | because once the thumbnailer kicks in, you are toast |
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| 09:49.11 | chem|st | RST38h: no, that damn thing should at least have a database for filesystemchanges to check back onb |
| 09:49.22 | RST38h | it does |
| 09:49.32 | chem|st | RST38h: I took two pictures and wasn't able to do anything anymore... |
| 09:49.45 | MohammadAG | lcuk, syntax error, expecting ")" |
| 09:49.49 | TomaszD | "20.2010.23-6" |
| 09:49.52 | TomaszD | interesting |
| 09:50.01 | MohammadAG | TomaszD, hmm, what? |
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| 09:50.10 | TomaszD | that bug report |
| 09:50.10 | chem|st | I scanned one barcode wanted to look it up at dhl.com and as soon as I hit the browser it was all toast |
| 09:50.21 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you are a syntax error |
| 09:50.29 | RST38h | chem|st: When you make a picture, there is a new media file in the fs, so Thumbnailer bites into it |
| 09:50.38 | MohammadAG | lcuk, sniff, sniff |
| 09:50.53 | RST38h | chem|st: And once it does, your disk data pipe is clogged |
| 09:51.02 | MohammadAG | hmm, xchat isn't opening links in the damn browser |
| 09:51.03 | chem|st | RST38h: I know... |
| 09:51.06 | RST38h | chem|st: blocking anyone trying to swap there, so the system hangs |
| 09:51.18 | TomaszD | we need those desktop responsiveness patches applied to the kernel |
| 09:51.23 | RST38h | Mohammad: it does, actually. Hold, then select from menu |
| 09:51.30 | chem|st | shouldn't it check if there are already thumbs for all other pics in that folder? |
| 09:51.36 | RST38h | Mohammad: Got that a few days ago though it was a bug |
| 09:51.49 | RST38h | chem|st: It only scans one new picture afaik |
| 09:52.19 | chem|st | RST38h: that does not take several 10 seconds does it? |
| 09:52.26 | RST38h | chem|st: There are two places where you can tweak things to make them more responsive |
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| 09:52.43 | RST38h | chem|st: As I said, disk data pipe is very slow, so things get clogged fast |
| 09:53.07 | lcuk | MohammadAG, your system will catch up and open 20 windows soon |
| 09:53.15 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 09:53.17 | RST38h | chem|st: 1. Reduce swappiness from 100 to 30 2. Reduce tracker activity from 1 to 20 and tell it not to hog memory |
| 09:53.33 | MohammadAG | RST38h, on my laptop lol |
| 09:53.39 | RST38h | Ah |
| 09:53.47 | MohammadAG | hands RST38h a shotgun |
| 09:53.59 | RST38h | chem|st: this is not the perfect fix of course, but your N900 will become mighty responsive, even in Fennec ;) |
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| 09:54.03 | MohammadAG | three things, trackerd, watchdogs, and the thumbnailer |
| 09:54.13 | MohammadAG | actually, 4, apt-worker |
| 09:54.15 | RST38h | Mohammad: You know I prefer WMDs |
| 09:54.22 | RST38h | oh yes, the apt... |
| 09:54.22 | chem|st | oh yes apt worker... |
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| 09:56.15 | chem|st | where do I change swappiness, I mean the config file |
| 09:56.30 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.33 | RST38h | search tmo for swappiness |
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| 09:56.33 | jacekowski | google |
| 09:57.32 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 09:58.29 | MohammadAG | replaced apt-worker |
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| 09:58.46 | timeless | MohammadAG: why? |
| 09:59.11 | MohammadAG | why not, I don't use it anyways |
| 09:59.21 | timeless | you don't use it? |
| 09:59.29 | MohammadAG | no |
| 09:59.35 | timeless | explain? |
| 09:59.40 | MohammadAG | I don't use HAM |
| 09:59.47 | ilius | hi, how to copy a text in the maemo (mozilla-based) browser? |
| 09:59.51 | timeless | so why do you care about it? |
| 09:59.58 | MohammadAG | cause it auto updates repos |
| 10:00.01 | timeless | ilius: google interaction modes? |
| 10:00.50 | ilius | timeless: what? |
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| 10:01.03 | timeless | ilius: there are some videos which act as introduction to the n900 |
| 10:01.08 | timeless | you should watch them |
| 10:01.31 | chem|st | jacekowski: the config... |
| 10:01.37 | jpinx-eeepc | lcuk: none - the N900 will be my first :) |
| 10:01.47 | timeless | http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam is the videos i guess |
| 10:02.10 | timeless | wonders if they don't actually talk about the browser :( |
| 10:02.11 | lcuk | jpinx-eeepc, :) |
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| 10:04.06 | ilius | timeless: i cant find anything. thats not a input field to select and Ctrl+C |
| 10:04.27 | ilius | the problem is that its not selectable |
| 10:05.11 | timeless | i think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qkXBMOyvtU works |
| 10:05.34 | lcuk | ilius, in messaging, just click the individual message. it opens in a window on its own with a specific dedicated copy button ;) |
| 10:06.10 | chem|st | ilius: swipe from left and use the mouse... |
| 10:06.13 | timeless | ilius: watch the last video link i gave you |
| 10:06.16 | timeless | it's at 1:12 |
| 10:06.30 | timeless | or 1:26 |
| 10:06.43 | lcuk | but the jedi swipe to enable select mode is indeed a jedi feature |
| 10:07.24 | chem|st | RST38h: so you think swappiness 30 will do good? |
| 10:07.27 | ilius | hmmm i can not open youtube right not, i see it lator |
| 10:07.34 | ilius | *later |
| 10:08.02 | chem|st | lcuk: I am a Jedi! |
| 10:08.47 | rmrfchik | this n900 is not phone what are looking for |
| 10:10.03 | lcuk | rmrfchik, the n900 is indeed the phone you are looking for |
| 10:10.17 | lcuk | just like a light sabre, you make it into what you need |
| 10:10.25 | rmrfchik | the phone it is not |
| 10:10.30 | rmrfchik | the mobile computer it is |
| 10:10.39 | MohammadAG | buy a 3310 |
| 10:11.23 | hrw|gprs | MohammadAG: 3210+vibra would be better I think |
| 10:12.08 | MohammadAG | hrw|gprs, when you switch to 2.5G do you change nicks to |EDGE? |
| 10:12.20 | chem|st | RST38h: so for tracker I tell LowMemoryMode=true, indexing -> throttle 20 (current is 10... been there) |
| 10:12.26 | chem|st | anything else? |
| 10:12.46 | rmrfchik | MohammadAG: lemme guess... NO! Conenctivity api don't allow you to do it ;) |
| 10:13.03 | RST38h | chem|st: I know swappiness 30 is good |
| 10:13.20 | RST38h | chem|st: Yes, for tracker, although I am not sure how much good it does =( |
| 10:13.23 | hrw|gprs | MohammadAG: now it is hrw|3.5g according to n900 |
| 10:13.35 | chem|st | well my desktop got it at 10 my netbook at 60... |
| 10:13.37 | RST38h | chem|st: But with the lower swappiness I can actually use Fennec. |
| 10:13.50 | chem|st | but there I have at least 2GB real RAM |
| 10:13.51 | hrw|gprs | MohammadAG: 1.25 / 0.36 Mbps |
| 10:13.58 | rmrfchik | RST38h: why u need fennec? |
| 10:13.59 | RST38h | It controls how proactively the kernel swaps pages out |
| 10:14.11 | rmrfchik | opera/microb are much faster than fennec |
| 10:14.19 | rmrfchik | can't find use for mobile firefox |
| 10:14.19 | RST38h | Given that our disk is so damn slow you do not want to do that very often |
| 10:14.22 | timeless | rmrfchik: depends what you're doing |
| 10:14.30 | RST38h | rmrfchik: there are reasons |
| 10:14.37 | hrw|gprs | rmrfchik: I do not see a use for microb. only opera here |
| 10:14.38 | rmrfchik | can you share? |
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| 10:14.48 | rmrfchik | hrw|gprs: yeah, opera FTW |
| 10:14.49 | chem|st | rmrfchik: use the force you must young padawan |
| 10:14.59 | MohammadAG | Opera isn't really a good replacement |
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| 10:15.06 | rmrfchik | I use G force. |
| 10:15.09 | MohammadAG | it's an excellent browser, not a replacement |
| 10:15.15 | hrw|gprs | MohammadAG: so far it is for me. I do not care about flash |
| 10:15.47 | rmrfchik | opera/micob do exellent browser job for me. fennec is so jerky and slow |
| 10:16.03 | MohammadAG | hrw|gprs, neither do I |
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| 10:16.38 | Dakon | has anyone an idea how I can enter a WPA2 hex key for my Wifi on N900? |
| 10:16.54 | chem|st | Dakon: connect and you will be asked |
| 10:17.15 | Dakon | yes, but that field only allows input of 63 characters as the ASCII key would have |
| 10:17.19 | Dakon | the hex key has 64 |
| 10:17.51 | chem|st | hmm |
| 10:18.22 | hrw|gprs | Dakon: open a bug against it. nokia will mark it as wontfix, you will curse them, they will ignore you |
| 10:18.40 | chem|st | use a shorter hex key? |
| 10:19.13 | hrw|gprs | use long ascii key? |
| 10:19.18 | _trine | why would you want so many characters anyway |
| 10:19.25 | chem|st | using a shorter key isn't less secure but less anoying |
| 10:19.26 | rmrfchik | don't forget to start new whine thread on maemo.org. I will "thanks" you |
| 10:19.46 | hrw|gprs | gU4arjaxiwqpzjVPJTVLkjurKEcJPemPFaUuycUrbWzTcXcyEktguULJLavKLME for example |
| 10:19.58 | hrw|gprs | ~hail pwgen |
| 10:19.59 | infobot | ACTION bows down to pwgen and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 10:20.02 | rmrfchik | hrw|gprs: and BSID |
| 10:20.24 | Dakon | I take that as "noone knows, probably unsupported"? |
| 10:20.29 | hrw|gprs | rmrfchik: essid you mean? |
| 10:20.34 | rmrfchik | yes |
| 10:20.52 | hrw|gprs | rmrfchik: I use "hrw" as essid. password is overcomplicated anyway |
| 10:21.02 | hrw|gprs | Dakon: or no one got hit by this yet |
| 10:21.19 | rmrfchik | and your location? going to add essid/password on map "Free WiFi" |
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| 10:21.41 | hrw|gprs | rmrfchik: first you will have to get my wifi password |
| 10:22.41 | hrw|gprs | rmrfchik: 53.378266,14.66222 |
| 10:22.44 | Dakon | http://bkaeg.org/blog/archives/2010/07/wpa2-passphrase.html |
| 10:22.54 | Dakon | isn't that uncommon as it seems |
| 10:22.58 | chem|st | hrw|gprs: where do you live? |
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| 10:23.37 | hrw|gprs | chem|st: check |
| 10:24.04 | crashanddie_ | rmrfchik: "free wifi" is the name of the open wireless networks of my ISP |
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| 10:26.10 | chem|st | Dakon: I could not care less... WPA2 is injected already so why bother with typing 64digits anyways |
| 10:27.03 | Dakon | ;) |
| 10:27.17 | Dakon | related problem: how do I type a percent sign? |
| 10:27.21 | chem|st | use a 2048bit cert or something... |
| 10:27.39 | chem|st | fn-ctrl |
| 10:27.49 | BCMM | Dakon: alt, sym, tap the symbol on the screen |
| 10:27.50 | Dakon | ah, got it |
| 10:27.51 | Dakon | thx |
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| 10:33.09 | hrw|gprs | mgedmin: thx for http://mg.pov.lt/blog/n900-connection-sharing post |
| 10:33.18 | mgedmin | np |
| 10:33.40 | mgedmin | when I wrote it all down, I thought "surely this is too complicated for anyone else to ever even attempt to use it" |
| 10:34.06 | hrw|gprs | mgedmin: BTDUN works fine |
| 10:35.59 | BCMM | has anyone encoded a working boot video in mencoder? |
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| 10:39.57 | mgedmin | hrw|gprs, when I last tried it, DUN worked for 15 mins and then dropped the connection |
| 10:40.35 | hrw|gprs | mgedmin: I use it for 2 hours now. it broke only when I had 10 minutes call |
| 10:40.37 | chem|st | mgedmin: ad-hoc did work once then lsot connection and wasn't able to get internet before a n900 reboot... |
| 10:40.44 | mgedmin | cool |
| 10:41.05 | hrw|gprs | mgedmin: and I want to safe battery life as much as possible |
| 10:41.16 | hrw|gprs | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/08/12/today-is-gprs-day/ |
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| 10:43.52 | Dakon | *gngngn* I can't believe that I will mistype the password 10 times |
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| 10:44.44 | Dakon | this thing supports WPA2/AES, no? |
| 10:45.42 | chem|st | Dakon: my router hang up when I tried to set it... |
| 10:45.50 | chem|st | not the phone |
| 10:46.08 | Dakon | my router works fine with that for month |
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| 10:46.53 | chem|st | some setups are not working *LMAO* |
| 10:47.29 | Dakon | my phone hates me :( |
| 10:48.14 | chem|st | Dakon: the missing force it feels |
| 10:50.06 | Dakon | I think I should send it back and by an Iphone (*cough*) |
| 10:50.12 | Dakon | that works with wpa2/aes |
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| 10:53.32 | BCMM | yay! working boot video! |
| 10:54.25 | Jucato | hm ... in Maemo Garage Trove Categorization, why isn't there an option for Maemo 5 under Maemo/Tablet OS version? |
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| 10:56.07 | Stskeeps | people use trove categorization on garage still? :P |
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| 10:57.02 | Jucato | hah dunno. my first project. just following what the email said :) |
| 10:58.59 | Dakon | ok, when I switch back to WEP it works |
| 10:59.06 | Dakon | but with no WPA I have |
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| 10:59.25 | crashanddie_ | Dakon: how about WPA with a short password? |
| 10:59.40 | Dakon | I tried that |
| 10:59.52 | Dakon | and it wasn't even cryptic |
| 10:59.54 | crashanddie_ | also, check dmesg to see if it's an erroneous password or incompatibility |
| 10:59.57 | Dakon | just "dummesTeil" |
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| 11:05.10 | Dakon | it shows "wl1251: firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.6)" "wl1251: down" "wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 35 rx blocks at 0x3a780" |
| 11:05.14 | Dakon | for every failed attempt |
| 11:06.04 | chem|st | Dakon: I got wpaX-* and at n900 all show as wpa |
| 11:06.36 | chem|st | no matter if wpa2 or PSK or EAP (well eap shows as wpa with EAP..) |
| 11:06.40 | Dakon | I wonder if I there is a firmware upgrade |
| 11:07.02 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, apparently, BackupMenu is the worst method to backup a device |
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| 11:07.31 | chem|st | Dakon: yes... wl1251: firmware booted (Rev 4.0.4.3.7) |
| 11:08.36 | chem|st | Dakon: you are running PR1.2? |
| 11:09.01 | Dakon | no idea, I just took it out of the box |
| 11:09.09 | Dakon | kernel is from december |
| 11:09.25 | chem|st | Dakon: the FW you update to have |
| 11:09.37 | hrw|gprs | Dakon: so it is old |
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| 11:09.54 | Dakon | I think so |
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| 11:10.02 | debernardis | hi |
| 11:10.07 | chem|st | well set something easy on your router like wep or something, upgrade your device to current FW and try wpa again |
| 11:10.16 | MohammadAG | hey debernardis |
| 11:10.25 | debernardis | thanks :) here I'm |
| 11:10.32 | chem|st | hey debernardis |
| 11:10.39 | debernardis | I could eventually reflash |
| 11:10.56 | debernardis | now back to fsck'ing /home I guess... |
| 11:11.04 | debernardis | hi chem|st |
| 11:11.13 | chem|st | debernardis: what happened? |
| 11:11.46 | debernardis | I was stuck in reflashing with a strange error "Write failed after 1048576 bytes usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 11:12.03 | debernardis | Fortunately MohammadAG told me to go on trying |
| 11:12.10 | debernardis | and it worked in the end |
| 11:12.18 | MohammadAG | Had the same problem the other day |
| 11:12.41 | debernardis | I solved by re-issuing the flasher command without disconnecting the n900 |
| 11:12.43 | chem|st | yeah I just tried to falsh till it actauly flashed... |
| 11:12.45 | MohammadAG | Though I experimented around with it |
| 11:12.51 | MohammadAG | dd the rootfs, and flashing will fail |
| 11:13.06 | debernardis | yes, BackupMenu was the problem |
| 11:13.21 | MohammadAG | dd'ing /dev/mtd5 was |
| 11:13.29 | debernardis | (I tried to restore my rootfs from the device itself - I think it uses dd) |
| 11:13.31 | MohammadAG | I hope this thing doesn't reach extras |
| 11:13.34 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 11:13.40 | debernardis | +1 |
| 11:13.41 | chem|st | MohammadAG: was it you telling that you uninstalled multiboot and went to bootmenu? |
| 11:14.04 | MohammadAG | chem|st, hmm, I uninstalled multiboot on my own |
| 11:14.08 | MohammadAG | long before installing backupmenu |
| 11:14.24 | debernardis | though I'd really like something to make a backup and restore from the device itself |
| 11:14.28 | chem|st | MohammadAG: thats OT sorry, I was thinking of doing the same |
| 11:15.29 | MohammadAG | debernardis, I tried the whole dd thing months ago |
| 11:15.42 | MohammadAG | brb |
| 11:15.49 | debernardis | didn't find it on the forums while I was in panic :) |
| 11:15.56 | chem|st | debernardis: a backup and restore running solely from somewhere else than rootfs should do... but that is the problem in this case... |
| 11:16.09 | debernardis | yep |
| 11:17.34 | MohammadAG51 | indeed |
| 11:17.40 | MohammadAG51 | backupmenu mounts the rootfs |
| 11:20.12 | Dakon | the firmware flasher always exits with "Unable to enumerate USB buses" after he found the device |
| 11:20.45 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, linux? |
| 11:21.36 | Dakon | open("/sys/bus/usb/devices/(null)/descriptors", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 11:21.43 | Dakon | that can't work :( |
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| 11:22.02 | MohammadAG51 | libusb installed? |
| 11:22.04 | chem|st | Dakon: why don't you try OTA upgrades first? |
| 11:22.21 | Dakon | URL? |
| 11:22.34 | MohammadAG51 | Hildon Application Manager |
| 11:22.54 | Dakon | m'kay, will look |
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| 11:23.40 | chem|st | Dakon: as I said, setup your router to something easy like wep or wpa-psk or not security and upgrade via HAM (app-manager) real quick |
| 11:24.30 | chem|st | if your device is freshly OOTB then this won't be a problem at all |
| 11:25.30 | jacekowski | flashing is probably faster |
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| 11:26.54 | Dakon | ok, will need to charge it for a while first |
| 11:26.58 | Dakon | thx so far |
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| 11:33.41 | V13 | any guru in hildon-desktop-python-loader ? |
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| 11:36.19 | chem|st | V13: apt-get purge hildon-desktop-python-loader |
| 11:36.35 | chem|st | V13: apt-get remove --purge hildon-desktop-python-loader o_O |
| 11:37.21 | V13 | :P |
| 11:37.38 | chem|st | V13: didn't answer you questio`n? |
| 11:37.43 | V13 | no |
| 11:37.53 | V13 | it says o_O no such package |
| 11:37.54 | V13 | :P |
| 11:38.00 | chem|st | ;) |
| 11:38.18 | V13 | I've a "conflict" between two python widgets |
| 11:38.26 | V13 | and I believe it's a logical error. |
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| 11:38.47 | V13 | I suspect that the problem is caused because both widgets create an osso.Context() |
| 11:38.58 | V13 | which AFAIK should only be done once per process... |
| 11:39.05 | V13 | and it seems that python loader is just one process (no?) |
| 11:39.38 | V13 | osso.Context() succeeds, but system_bus.add_signal_receiver fails later saying that there is no mainloop |
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| 11:39.46 | lizardo | V13: yes |
| 11:39.48 | V13 | even if I specify one explicitely |
| 11:39.57 | V13 | am I doing something wrong? |
| 11:40.09 | V13 | oh.. hi lizardo :) |
| 11:40.27 | lizardo | V13: I wonder why you need to use python-osso on your widget? |
| 11:40.38 | V13 | I want to use dbus |
| 11:40.49 | V13 | In fact I use portrait.py from gpodder which uses dbus |
| 11:41.00 | V13 | in order to detect device rotation |
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| 11:41.12 | lizardo | V13: have yoy tried using python-dbus only? |
| 11:41.33 | V13 | and the widget conflicts with bluezwitch which also uses the same logic. |
| 11:41.43 | V13 | hm.. I'm not *very* familiar with dbus... |
| 11:41.49 | V13 | or osso.... |
| 11:41.53 | lizardo | V13: me neither :) |
| 11:42.13 | V13 | FWIW, that's the error: Error: To make asynchronous calls, receive signals or export objects, D-Bus connections must be attached to a main loop by passing mainloop=... to the constructor or calling dbus.set_default_main_loop(...) |
| 11:42.20 | lizardo | V13: but I think there are other widgets which use dbus , which might help... (none come to my mind though) |
| 11:42.56 | V13 | ok.. let's see what happens if I remove osso.Context() |
| 11:43.17 | V13 | oh.. it is required for RPC. |
| 11:43.41 | V13 | so it can't be removed. |
| 11:44.00 | V13 | is there a way to get the existing osso context ? |
| 11:45.00 | lizardo | V13: good question... To discover, I believe you have to take a look at libosso source and see how that context is stored internally |
| 11:45.43 | lizardo | V13: but I believe the libosso RPC parts can be most replaced by using python-dbus directly... BTW, have you tried looking at C widgets that use DBUS? |
| 11:45.46 | V13 | ok.. i just tried removing that for a while.. and it failed too. |
| 11:45.57 | V13 | so it's not the osso.Context() |
| 11:46.04 | lizardo | V13: maybe hthey have the answer |
| 11:46.32 | V13 | do you understand something from the error that I pasted above? |
| 11:47.06 | V13 | or suspect |
| 11:48.11 | lizardo | V13: the error itself makes kind of sense (if you look at standalone python-dbus code that receive signals, you will see calls to set the mainloop) but for widgets I really don't know how to do it |
| 11:48.34 | lizardo | V13: my suggestion is to really take a look at other widgets that use DBUS |
| 11:48.50 | lizardo | V13: either C (if you can read it) or python |
| 11:48.51 | V13 | lizardo: the widget works very well when bluezwitch is not installed |
| 11:48.56 | V13 | so the code works. |
| 11:49.08 | V13 | but it conflicts when the bluezwitch is also loaded. |
| 11:49.24 | lizardo | V13: for sure, it is clearly some sort of "conflict" , given that they are all in the same process |
| 11:49.28 | V13 | So it's not 100% a dbus problem. It's something that one widget is causing on another |
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| 11:50.09 | V13 | since the add_signal_receiver() failes, I believe it's the dbus... but I don't understand exactly which part. I'm looking in bluezwitch's code too right now. |
| 11:50.48 | lizardo | V13: the issue (I think) is that dbus communication is a whole-process thing, so if all widgets share the same process they need to (somehow) manage their dbus connections |
| 11:51.13 | V13 | i don't understand why since there can be multiple connections to dbus (no?) |
| 11:51.33 | V13 | i don't believe that connections are multiplexed... but of course that's a guess |
| 11:52.04 | lizardo | V13: good luck... if you think it is still some issue specific to python widgets, I would suggest reporting an issue to the PyMaemo bugzilla |
| 11:52.37 | V13 | thnks |
| 11:53.00 | lizardo | V13: but my wild guess is that the issue you are facing would happen even to C code, so people from the Hildon team might be able to help you as well |
| 11:53.26 | V13 | how can i reach them? |
| 11:53.29 | V13 | maemo-developers ? |
| 11:53.43 | lizardo | V13: there is the https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/hildon-devel |
| 11:54.04 | V13 | oh... didn't know about that. |
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| 11:55.08 | lizardo | V13: just be sure to explain the problem in a generic way (i.e. you are trying to use some code that requires an OSSO context, and how to do it in a widget ) , but mentioning you are using Python is ok |
| 11:55.25 | V13 | it seems that the problem is not the osso context after all. |
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| 11:55.50 | V13 | since moving osso.Context() call a bit latter (after the error-line) didn't change anything. |
| 11:56.48 | lizardo | V13: ok... in this case try to explain the problem and how far you got in trying to identify the problem... :) |
| 11:57.46 | V13 | I'll work on this a little mor |
| 12:03.50 | Dakon | yeah, firmware upgrade has helped |
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| 12:18.42 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/iphone_users_getting_more/ |
| 12:19.49 | Weiss | ooooold.. |
| 12:19.49 | hatake_kakashi | who cares |
| 12:19.49 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 12:19.54 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: pong |
| 12:20.04 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, problems with permissions on the builder? |
| 12:20.16 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/vlc-remote_0.1-1_source.changes: Permission denied |
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| 12:22.06 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Hmm they are owned by somebody else. |
| 12:22.31 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, umm, so the perms are actually screwed? |
| 12:22.51 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I think uid mismatch of some kind. |
| 12:23.30 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, so can it be fixed? |
| 12:23.49 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 12:23.55 | MohammadAG | Downloads: 44644 for midnight commander |
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| 12:24.23 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Everyting can be fixed, it is just a matter of time :) |
| 12:24.23 | Antti_Alien | hello |
| 12:24.35 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: What is your garage username again? |
| 12:24.42 | MohammadAG | mohammad7410 |
| 12:24.55 | Antti_Alien | can someone tell me where i could find a list of dbus signals for maemo's browser? |
| 12:24.56 | MohammadAG | it's not my fault usernames have to be lowercase :P |
| 12:25.04 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: And you upload always with scp? |
| 12:25.11 | Antti_Alien | i could only find osso_browser.load_url, but i bet there are more :/ |
| 12:25.11 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yeah |
| 12:25.15 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, dput |
| 12:25.29 | MohammadAG | pokes timeless ^ |
| 12:25.52 | Scelt | SpeedEvil: http://apina.biz/32991 - there's N900 too |
| 12:28.03 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Can you try again? |
| 12:29.17 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, uploaded, though it'll most likely get rejected by the builder, thanks :) |
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| 12:30.02 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well at least the uid matches now. |
| 12:30.09 | crashanddie | oh, cool, I've won a Nokia award! |
| 12:30.21 | MohammadAG | bastard of the server award? |
| 12:30.26 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, thanks again |
| 12:30.28 | Stskeeps | 'most arrogant community member of the year"? |
| 12:30.35 | crashanddie | "GLÃCKWÃNSCHE [ IHRE E-mail HAT GEWONNEN {REF NR.:NOKIA/09876434 } ] !!!" |
| 12:30.51 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I'm hardly the most :P |
| 12:31.05 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: see, ^ proof that I'm humble in my arrogance |
| 12:31.38 | lcuk | crashanddie, you are condescending too |
| 12:33.13 | crashanddie | aww :( |
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| 12:33.45 | Antti_Alien | hm, i found a file tablet-browser-interface.h listing some signals, but at least some of them don't exist anymore :E |
| 12:34.28 | lcuk | crashanddie, isnt that your blog title :P |
| 12:34.42 | crashanddie | well, yeah, but that's just the name of the blog |
| 12:35.22 | crashanddie | damn, this is a fine looking helmet: http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6559/casquemototunning.jpg |
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| 12:38.11 | V13 | lizardo: Could the problem be this? https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2010-April/001445.html (it's your post) |
| 12:39.30 | kerio | crashanddie: much better helmet: http://www.okcowboy.net/wp-content/uploads/daft_punk_main.jpg |
| 12:39.43 | crashanddie | kerio: sfw? |
| 12:39.58 | kerio | sfw |
| 12:40.08 | kerio | well, unless your boss hates daft punk |
| 12:40.57 | Dassu | :( |
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| 12:42.12 | lizardo | V13: not exactly the same problem, but I believe your solution might be on that thread |
| 12:42.29 | lizardo | V13: there were in total 3 solutions posted on that thread, each one solving a different problem |
| 12:42.37 | lizardo | V13: you might want to try some of them |
| 12:42.53 | lizardo | V13: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2010-April/001449.html https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2010-April/001452.html https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2010-April/001454.html |
| 12:43.04 | lizardo | V13: these are the 3 solutions |
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| 12:43.42 | V13 | tryign |
| 12:43.45 | V13 | trying |
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| 12:44.48 | lizardo | V13: the last one seems to be a merge of the first two |
| 12:45.20 | V13 | lizardo: I'm going for the first... |
| 12:45.26 | V13 | (because of the environ[]) |
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| 12:49.31 | V13 | now trying the hardcoded string since the other one was the session bus and not the system bus |
| 12:49.35 | alterego | I'm leaning towards the ignore feature of tmo to abill_uk at the moment .. |
| 12:49.44 | alterego | Though occasionaly he does make me laugh. |
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| 12:53.38 | V13 | lizardo.. If you were near me, I'd hug you |
| 12:53.50 | V13 | it worked :) |
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| 12:55.33 | lizardo | V13: nice :D |
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| 12:55.41 | V13 | summary: instead of using dbus.SystemBus() or dbus.Bus.get_system(), I used dbus.bus.Busconnect('unix:path=/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket') |
| 12:56.33 | MohammadAG | lol alterego |
| 12:57.02 | lizardo | V13: note that this is mostly a workaround to the abscense of an specific method (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8611) , the bug is not fixed yet, but I think the workaround serves for now |
| 12:57.04 | povbot | Bug 8611: python-hildondesktop lacks get_dbus_connection()/get_dbus_g_connection() methods |
| 12:57.28 | V13 | lizardo: FWIW, I'm working on this bug full-time for a lot of days now...From this procedure I found an easy way to debug python hildon-home widgets: f=open('/tmp/mylog.log', 'at', buffering=1); sys.stdout=f, sys.stderr=f |
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| 12:58.24 | V13 | lizardo: I'll post a reply with the workaround of that bug. It could save others a lot of hours. |
| 12:58.46 | lizardo | V13: hey, can you add this debugging tip to http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop#Debugging_tips ? thanks |
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| 12:59.20 | V13 | sure |
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| 13:04.14 | GAN900 | gerbick and others seem to like professing their ignorance about what issues the council can actually be effective on, yet I'm sure I've had this EXACT SAME discussion with him and others at least three times. |
| 13:06.19 | lcuk | timeless, ping |
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| 13:09.51 | alterego | GAN900: he seemed to get it yesterday, then forgot by the afternoon .. |
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| 13:23.32 | Dakon | I downloaded some files to my phone, saved it in "Documents" |
| 13:23.53 | Dakon | where do I find that in an x-term? /home/user/MyDocs does not have that files |
| 13:24.04 | kerio | Dakon: ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 13:24.35 | Dakon | ah, hidden ;) |
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| 13:30.26 | Dakon | yeah, marble ;) awesome ;) |
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| 13:35.09 | Lantizia | Anyone seen/got one of these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9D8cedGr30 |
| 13:35.44 | pigeon | i ordered one. |
| 13:36.29 | Lantizia | pigeon, where from? |
| 13:36.56 | Lantizia | I'm wondering how well it'd work with FPS like OpenArena :S |
| 13:37.18 | pigeon | http://www.home.game-gripper.com/buy |
| 13:37.25 | Lantizia | ah the US site ok |
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| 13:39.24 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 13:39.52 | PhonicUK | anyone know where the quake 3 1.32c pak1.pk3 -> pakXX.pk3 can be found without installing a full on patch? |
| 13:39.57 | PhonicUK | sorting out q3 for my N900 |
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| 13:46.57 | pigeon | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593 |
| 13:46.58 | povbot | Bug 626593: was not found. |
| 13:49.50 | kerio | Bug 404: bug not found. |
| 13:49.51 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=404 Video player subtitles support |
| 13:50.04 | kerio | hahaha |
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| 13:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | hands GAN900 a lolly (with tequila flavour) |
| 13:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | or would you prefer bacon? |
| 13:52.22 | kerio | tequila-flavored bacon or bacon-flavored lolly? |
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| 13:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still pondering |
| 13:53.05 | lauri | Hey guys, I have a package in extras-testing |
| 13:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's becoming more the lolly |
| 13:53.21 | lauri | I can install it via apt-get but the item doesnt show up in app manager |
| 13:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | (C)'s bacon-lollies |
| 13:53.32 | kerio | i want a bacon-flavored tequila |
| 13:53.39 | GAN900 | Probably too early in the morning for tequila. |
| 13:53.44 | GAN900 | kerio, bacon salt. |
| 13:53.46 | SpeedEvil | I want a bacon flavoured omelette. |
| 13:54.24 | lcuk | has been able to eat first bacon and egg butty in ages today |
| 13:54.56 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, do you use bacon chunks or bacon flavouring? |
| 13:55.07 | SpeedEvil | chunks. |
| 13:55.16 | lcuk | and if its real bacon chunks, do you drop bacon in raw or precooked cut up rashers? |
| 13:55.36 | SpeedEvil | I chop the bacon bits I get into chunks, then brown. |
| 13:55.41 | lcuk | cust bacon into little cubes and mixes with onions like a stirfry |
| 13:55.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm too cheap for rashers. |
| 13:55.42 | lcuk | :D |
| 13:56.01 | lcuk | god I just ate but I am hungry again |
| 13:56.35 | SpeedEvil | Also - cheap bacon + a little soy sauce, and a tiny bit of brown sugar when frying tastes just like expensive bacon. |
| 13:56.39 | SpeedEvil | Well - sort of. |
| 13:57.40 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 13:57.47 | lcuk | fake-en? |
| 13:57.50 | GAN900 | The rancid taste is difficult to mask? |
| 13:58.08 | GAN900 | isn't sure what the difference is between cheap and expensive. |
| 13:58.11 | SpeedEvil | At least here, the cheap stuff doesn't taste rancid. |
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| 13:58.21 | SpeedEvil | It's just not cured with a nice cure. |
| 13:58.50 | lcuk | i just go into the forrest and find a wild boar |
| 13:58.59 | GAN900 | Hmm |
| 13:59.04 | lcuk | cut up and left to cure in my smoking shed for a few months |
| 13:59.09 | GAN900 | Bacon across international borders is weird. |
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| 13:59.22 | lcuk | canadian bacon is like drian ham |
| 13:59.24 | lcuk | its yuck |
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| 14:00.14 | lcuk | dried |
| 14:02.34 | [DarkGUNMAN] | give me uk bacon straight from the local butchers anyday :) |
| 14:02.53 | lcuk | ++ |
| 14:03.07 | chem|st | how do I partition my sdcard without touching the first partition on device? (sfdisk, or is there anything else available?) |
| 14:03.58 | SpeedEvil | cfsdisk is available on some repo |
| 14:04.02 | SpeedEvil | I found it more friendly |
| 14:04.31 | achipa | hmmm ... who should I bother with opening new projects on bugzilla ? niels or andre ? |
| 14:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Also - most SD cards would be full. |
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| 14:04.51 | SpeedEvil | No vacant space, so you can't add partitions. |
| 14:05.54 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: devel I guess... |
| 14:05.56 | andre__ | achipa, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 14:06.55 | achipa | andre__: yes, that is the page I somehow managed to miss in the search results. thanks |
| 14:07.28 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: well I dont want to move all the stuff around... |
| 14:07.42 | GAN900 | Why are all of these new people following me on twitter. . . . |
| 14:07.47 | GAN900 | I don't tweet. |
| 14:07.51 | RST38h | They are stalkers |
| 14:07.51 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: you mean you want to repartition the internal 32G? |
| 14:07.59 | GAN900 | Clearly |
| 14:08.18 | RST38h | And they think you are Samantha Fox |
| 14:09.20 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: nope I try to get meego on the sd and partittion it afterwards for nitdroid and fat |
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| 14:16.02 | chem|st | ok now my first partition is the size of my previous fat... darn |
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| 14:21.58 | Lantizia | pigeon, I just ordered one too :) from the EU site |
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| 14:34.44 | GAN900 | "You might be surprised how much community council sometimes knows under confidentiality agreement." |
| 14:34.58 | GAN900 | Yeah, that's a good one to use on Talk. |
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| 14:38.16 | RST38h | Ah, the Cabal |
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| 14:38.56 | RST38h | Evil conspiracy by the council members to hide Flash 10.x from the N900 users. |
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| 14:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | UK bacon, bah. Andaluz Cerano bacon! Yummy |
| 14:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | wait, maybe that's ham? |
| 14:41.40 | RST38h | Whois is Andaluz Cerano? Is he legal to eat? =) |
| 14:41.45 | chem|st | ok other way round... I try to dd the meego.raw directly at the end fingers crossed |
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| 14:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | Andalucia is a region in south Spain |
| 14:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | carno is the name of the bacon |
| 14:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | cerano even |
| 14:42.59 | RST38h | oh <disappointed> |
| 14:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: LOL |
| 14:43.50 | chem|st | RST38h: what ever you like, thats from spain as DocScrutinizer said, the 3 top notches in europe are spain italy and south-west germany |
| 14:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: got your asbestos underwear today? |
| 14:44.50 | RST38h | poor scandinavians do not even get participate? =) |
| 14:44.55 | RST38h | s/get/get to/ |
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| 14:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: who's been the genius to post such brilliant statement? |
| 14:46.02 | GAN900 | I dunno, but MY Flash 10.1 works great. |
| 14:46.08 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Peter. . . . |
| 14:46.17 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Peter. . . . |
| 14:46.26 | chem|st | ??? |
| 14:46.31 | GAN900 | Why was that sent twice? |
| 14:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | arrow-up+enter - fat fingers? |
| 14:46.56 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 14:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: we know you better :-D |
| 14:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | twittering on IRC while the talk goes on :-D |
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| 14:48.05 | GAN900 | Somebody want to drop the MyNokia idiocy on Peter re: stonewalling? |
| 14:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | too early for tmo here |
| 14:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | need to bash 5 OC fanboys in IRC first, to get the right adrenaline level :-P |
| 14:49.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: true... I need to be very tired to read 10 pages of such an idiotic thread... |
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| 14:50.08 | RST38h | GAN: It is useless to drop stuff on peter. He is the PR guy, he will snake his way out. |
| 14:51.06 | RST38h | GAN: Right now, I am inclined toward solutions that in no way involve Nokia. I.e. third party repositories, Maemo5 base packages patched by non-nokians and placed there, outside distribution channels, etc |
| 14:51.14 | RST38h | internettablettalk.com too |
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| 14:52.10 | alterego | shudders, |
| 14:52.40 | alterego | Sir Engineer is now suggesting we rename maemo.org to something else, as maemo no longer exists... |
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| 14:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | Sir Engineer? The allmighty? |
| 14:53.45 | jacekowski | why does t.m.o defaults to american date format? |
| 14:53.49 | alterego | :) |
| 14:54.20 | Ford_Prefect | ma emo dot org -> u r emo dot org? |
| 14:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: because they couldn't find any more fsckedup format, except maybe unix jiffies, and they'd be too long |
| 14:54.25 | Ford_Prefect | Sorry :) |
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| 14:54.54 | alterego | Shouldn't that be your mom? |
| 14:55.11 | achipa | wonders if doing X tunneling via ssh to start vmware which runs a virtual machine hosting scratchbox is the right way to develop software for Maemo |
| 14:55.58 | alterego | achipa: been there, done that :P |
| 14:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if he can be bothered to find the URL and open up that thread once again... but nah |
| 14:56.54 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I can give you the URL if you like :P |
| 14:56.55 | achipa | alterego: how many beers does it take until it becomes accetable in speed over an ADSL uplink ? |
| 14:57.08 | alterego | I wouldn't I'm quite ashamed now of how he's made me react .. |
| 14:57.28 | alterego | achipa: Hah, you mean how many beers per-pixel you'll have ? |
| 14:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | In the end who cares about notion of a few noobs and id.... regarding council? |
| 14:57.53 | alterego | Yeah |
| 14:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm pretty happy with those guys around my daily IRC :-D |
| 14:58.24 | alterego | I support the council 100% |
| 14:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 14:58.33 | alterego | I don't think there's any need for any reform now. |
| 14:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | btw... |
| 14:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: news from quim? |
| 14:59.01 | alterego | I'm quite happy that the MeeGo guy said he still wants a MeeGo council. |
| 14:59.16 | alterego | Probably one of the 3 posts that are actually interesting in that thread. |
| 14:59.41 | RST38h | alterego: but as inconsequential as the rest of them |
| 14:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG meEgo guys on tmo - it's doomsday |
| 15:00.49 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:00.55 | alterego | Nokia guy on tmo |
| 15:01.00 | alterego | The Nokia MeeGo guy |
| 15:01.42 | lcuk | it does help if you use his real nick so people understand who you mean |
| 15:02.16 | RST38h | chants "Doomsday! Doomsday!" while getting some marshmallows |
| 15:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 15:03.08 | Stskeeps | will someone please maim abill_uk soon |
| 15:03.20 | alterego | You'd think it was the end of the world |
| 15:03.42 | lcuk | mm |
| 15:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | abill_uk is an agent. You need to be Neo to maim him |
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| 15:05.31 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Who let him out again, anyway? I though he has been banned? |
| 15:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | or enter red-pill-mode and simply close that browser window |
| 15:05.49 | RST38h | misses the original itt nutcases |
| 15:06.01 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, nothing yet. |
| 15:06.12 | RST38h | New ones are dumb and boring |
| 15:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: as usual |
| 15:06.47 | alterego | :) |
| 15:07.02 | alterego | I'd give tmo a rest, but occasionally there is still a lot of interesting stuff. |
| 15:07.08 | alterego | It's just a shame about the noise. |
| 15:07.16 | alterego | Even reading the topics gives me a headache sometimes. |
| 15:07.29 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah. . . . |
| 15:07.55 | GAN900 | Whatever the Nokia guys think, I don't think the Intel people want a council. |
| 15:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: tell him hostmode and esp jrbme is waiting? |
| 15:08.37 | GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=783849&postcount=206 |
| 15:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: (don't want) that's pretty obvious from general mood over there |
| 15:08.58 | GAN900 | Amazingly I'm actually rather agreed with silvermountain there. |
| 15:09.08 | Stskeeps | adds 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org to his /etc/hosts |
| 15:09.15 | tybollt | :D |
| 15:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 15:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | adds 8.8.8.8 to Stskeeps' resolv.conf |
| 15:11.03 | alterego | New laptop keyboard is working nice. |
| 15:11.09 | alterego | And it's all shiny, no worn down keys :) |
| 15:11.28 | lcuk | my keys on laptop are all shiney from use |
| 15:11.53 | RST38h | GAN: PR guy. Cannot be bothered with something like this. Will insist on voicing the official corporate message no matter what. |
| 15:11.53 | alterego | Makes my laptop look kinda new again :) |
| 15:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | I ponder to vacuum my kbd once again |
| 15:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | too much bread crumbs |
| 15:14.12 | lcuk | turn keyboard over, bash a few times |
| 15:14.19 | lcuk | bit more difficult on laptops ofc |
| 15:14.32 | Stskeeps | and now for the cold turkey of kicking tmo addiction |
| 15:14.50 | alterego | Stskeeps: you wont manage it, you know that right? :P |
| 15:15.05 | Stskeeps | alterego: sufficiently pissed to do it |
| 15:15.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:15.21 | RST38h | Stskeeps: You will come back |
| 15:15.31 | RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW are you a council member? |
| 15:15.34 | alterego | God .. |
| 15:15.36 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no, thank god |
| 15:15.40 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 15:15.51 | RST38h | ok, I know one permanent fixtu^H^Hcouncil member |
| 15:15.56 | alterego | He's pushing that name change again, I was sort of joking when I first mentioned his comment on the maemo.org name .. |
| 15:16.00 | alterego | But he's followed it all. |
| 15:16.07 | alterego | s/all/up/ |
| 15:16.13 | RST38h | GAN900: As a council member, would you consider a maemo.org related proposal? |
| 15:16.37 | RST38h | (and push it up to the management that is) |
| 15:17.05 | alterego | RST38h: a public hanging? :x |
| 15:17.07 | alterego | :D |
| 15:17.10 | lcuk | can someone give a summary of the thread everyone seems to be discussing, I've been a bit preoccupied with other things to notice |
| 15:17.29 | RST38h | lcuk: There is a poll about Council's relevancy |
| 15:17.32 | GAN900 | considers whether it's worth responding to Peter in that thread. |
| 15:17.45 | RST38h | lcuk: Apparently 49+% consider Council relevant, the rest don't give a fuck |
| 15:17.48 | achipa | GAN900: Intel people wouldn't understand the Council as they don't understand the community either - not necessarily by some evil motivation, they simply never had such a thing. They just had employees and the occasional dev who hang around lists - for that you really don't need a council. |
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| 15:18.20 | luke-jr | achipa: Nokia people never understood the Council either, IMO |
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| 15:18.39 | RST38h | lcuk: This causes both well deserved butthurt to some council members *and* evil glee in some less psychologically stable members of the community |
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| 15:18.51 | alterego | I don't think a MeeGo council will be what Nokia have in mind, I think Nokia plan on maybe having a Nokia/MeeGo-Community Council |
| 15:19.05 | alterego | Intel don't have to understand it, if Nokia are willing to be our connectivity. |
| 15:19.33 | luke-jr | what's the point of having a council if they're ignored? |
| 15:19.43 | alterego | Not to mention, the openness of what MeeGo is representing kind of makes a lot of what we see the Council for as redundant, they'll just end up being party hosts :) |
| 15:19.43 | achipa | RST38h: that can be read the other way round, too, you know. Even with a mudslinging contest you couldn't muster more than one fourth of the people visiting to say 'wont miss' |
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| 15:19.49 | RST38h | luke: and thay is exactly the topic of that thread |
| 15:19.53 | timeless | smoke and mirrors has to be good for something, right? |
| 15:20.04 | derf | Gotta pacify the proles. |
| 15:20.12 | RST38h | achipa: Don't forget the people who do not even bother to vote. |
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| 15:20.25 | RST38h | achipa: All these count against the council's relevancy |
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| 15:20.50 | RST38h | achipa: So, no, at the end <50% is not healthy, I am afraid |
| 15:21.01 | lcuk | RST38h, for a poll? nahhh |
| 15:21.09 | RST38h | achipa: And it is not like council can do much about it, given the situation |
| 15:21.15 | lcuk | we elect entire governments on less |
| 15:21.17 | luke-jr | RST38h: IMO, the problem with the council is Nokia's fault, not anyone else's |
| 15:21.33 | achipa | RST38h: sure, but it's easier to muster support for nay than for yea |
| 15:21.46 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, but we are smart people here, right? And we both understand that people who do not bother basically do not care |
| 15:21.47 | lcuk | i know some around have been listening to community and liaiasing and communicating about things that matter |
| 15:22.03 | RST38h | achipa: Depends :) |
| 15:22.06 | luke-jr | maybe the Council should operate more like a union |
| 15:22.32 | RST38h | Personally, I would be happy if Council sorted out the Extras bottleneck, but even THAT is not going to happen |
| 15:22.35 | alterego | I'd say that the poll is pretty favourable of the council. |
| 15:22.40 | luke-jr | if enough customers give them the authority, they can make demands of Nokia at risk of losing those customers :P |
| 15:22.49 | RST38h | alterego: It is not. Really. |
| 15:22.52 | achipa | luke-jr: is that because of the party thing ? unions around here are more into providing, you know, food, coal, sugar... |
| 15:23.03 | RST38h | alterego: The <50% number is deeply disturbing |
| 15:23.06 | alterego | It also kind of gives us an indication of how many lusers are on the forum :P |
| 15:23.18 | alterego | RST38h: It beats No by 100% |
| 15:23.22 | luke-jr | achipa: they're supposed to negotiate deals ;) |
| 15:23.22 | RST38h | And no, calling everyone you do not agree with a loser is not gonna fix it |
| 15:23.45 | RST38h | alterego: that would be unrealistic |
| 15:24.04 | alterego | luke-jr: are you saying the council are more like anti-terrorists? :) |
| 15:24.04 | luke-jr | whereas one employee/customer cannot make demands of the management on his own, a union allows the employees/customers to team up and make such demands together |
| 15:24.09 | RST38h | alterego: But I would call anything <66% unhealthy |
| 15:24.53 | luke-jr | the real question is, can the community organize a customers' union of relevant size? |
| 15:25.17 | luke-jr | I think to an extent, that would require agreeing on some common goals and ideals. |
| 15:25.26 | alterego | Yeah .. |
| 15:25.32 | alterego | We just need to build a fence .. |
| 15:25.48 | luke-jr | I *think* everyone can agree the ideal is completely open |
| 15:25.56 | luke-jr | but there's bound to be disagreement on size, etc |
| 15:26.00 | alterego | luke-jr: I don't :P |
| 15:26.07 | luke-jr | alterego: you'd prefer everything closed? |
| 15:26.08 | RST38h | What Union? What the hell are you talking about? |
| 15:26.24 | luke-jr | RST38h: basically giving the Council some real power |
| 15:26.24 | RST38h | How is your union going to be better than the current council? |
| 15:26.25 | alterego | After what has happened this year, I'd prefer all the "enduser" types were somewhere else. |
| 15:26.44 | luke-jr | alterego: how is that relevant to openness? |
| 15:26.49 | RST38h | That is easy to do |
| 15:26.57 | alterego | luke-jr: freedom of speech? :) |
| 15:26.58 | achipa | alterego: troll/idiot != enduser |
| 15:27.17 | RST38h | Told you before: either a filter-by-join-date on tmo, or, barring that, a google group with careful membership policy |
| 15:27.18 | alterego | achipa: I know, some are extremely useful and valuable, I like my software being appreciated. |
| 15:27.21 | alterego | etc. |
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| 15:27.32 | alterego | RST38h: filter by join date, hahah. |
| 15:27.35 | RST38h | I.e. everyone can read, only sane people can post |
| 15:27.36 | luke-jr | RST38h: what? |
| 15:27.39 | achipa | alterego: it's just that one troll/idiot can bother you more than 100 perfectly normal end-users |
| 15:27.51 | RST38h | With the list of sane people updated once every few weeks |
| 15:27.59 | luke-jr | RST38h: how does controlling the community give the Council any power against Nokia? |
| 15:27.59 | alterego | achipa: you've got a good point there, thank you for resetting my perspectivity. |
| 15:28.06 | alterego | ~perspective .. |
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| 15:28.08 | RST38h | luke: It does not |
| 15:28.28 | RST38h | luke: It simply frees me from having to read every single idiot |
| 15:28.53 | RST38h | Which is what *I* care: personal comfort |
| 15:29.23 | RST38h | Intelligent discussion forums, easy way to distribute apps, serious bug reports properly prioritized and addressed. |
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| 15:30.06 | RST38h | As to you "community", "openness", or "union", I do not give a flying fuck. They are issues, I do not do issues. |
| 15:30.12 | RST38h | s/you/your |
| 15:32.00 | GAN900 | decides not to throw MyNokia at Peter in a public forum. |
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| 15:32.58 | lcuk | GAN900, I think you would need a really strong arm to throw your nokia at Peter, isn't he based in Helsinki still? |
| 15:33.18 | PhonicUK | Anyone know how to switch GTK on the N900 to the default style? |
| 15:34.03 | alterego | PhonicUK: I don't think the theming works if you run the app as root .. |
| 15:34.14 | alterego | That is, should use gtk default then .. |
| 15:34.37 | RST38h | actually, it does |
| 15:34.40 | PhonicUK | after I installed EasyDebian and changed the theme in there, it changed it too for everything else that uses GTK |
| 15:34.52 | alterego | RST38h: oh well, I just remember someone complaining about it some time. |
| 15:34.56 | alterego | Never tried myself :) |
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| 15:36.15 | lcuk | Dance, its all I wanna do, so won't you dance. |
| 15:36.22 | lcuk | I'm standing here with you so won't you move |
| 15:37.53 | GAN900 | lcuk, yes, Nokia taking undisclosed personal information from people, charging them for the privilage and refusing to address the issue in something resembling this reality is super hilarious. |
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| 15:38.50 | luke-jr | GAN900: thoughts on giving the Council power? |
| 15:40.30 | timeless | we'll probably send people ads for WidSets |
| 15:40.36 | timeless | i met a guy today who showed me one such ad |
| 15:40.53 | timeless | (in case people aren't aware, WidSets has been dead for a while, but he got the SMS based ad relatively recently) |
| 15:41.07 | GAN900 | luke-jr, does Nokia management agree? |
| 15:41.24 | GAN900 | I had to introduce myself to Ari twice while wearing a nametag. |
| 15:41.27 | luke-jr | GAN900: I didn't mean in a way they had a choice |
| 15:41.40 | achipa | luke-jr: power for what ? |
| 15:41.54 | luke-jr | GAN900: I mean by having enough customers agree to honour Council boycotts of Nokia and such |
| 15:41.58 | luke-jr | so the Council can make demands |
| 15:42.31 | luke-jr | "stop this MyNokia crap or none of us will buy the next device" |
| 15:42.50 | achipa | INBANA ! |
| 15:42.56 | luke-jr | wtf is that |
| 15:42.59 | timeless | luke-jr: but how else will we reach our target? :) |
| 15:43.37 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 15:43.41 | achipa | anyway, that will not solve your problem - you can obtain more power to hurt Nokia but that does imply getting what you really want |
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| 15:44.08 | luke-jr | achipa: it does, because they have to make products that will sell |
| 15:44.14 | timeless | nah |
| 15:44.17 | timeless | not a requirement |
| 15:44.26 | timeless | nokia gives products to vendors who have to sell them |
| 15:44.28 | luke-jr | if everyone has agreed not to buy it unless X, then they kinda have to do X |
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| 15:44.45 | luke-jr | timeless: as if vendors sell N90 |
| 15:44.46 | luke-jr | N900 |
| 15:45.03 | lcuk | *facepalm* |
| 15:45.11 | achipa | luke-jr: why would they have to ? :) that's like saying politicans should be truthful and modest because that will get them more votes. Yes. Well. Sort of. |
| 15:45.23 | timeless | i'm told the n900 is one of verkokauppa's best selling nokia products :) |
| 15:45.42 | lcuk | there are of course better ways to do things, like leveraging the community to find ways to motivate and improve sales |
| 15:46.06 | lcuk | and finding positive aspects in things |
| 15:46.17 | timeless | yeah, i just did ^ :) |
| 15:46.20 | lcuk | glass half empty or glass half full kinda scenario |
| 15:46.30 | lcuk | oh timeless I 100% agree |
| 15:46.30 | achipa | luke-jr: I think the best example is Apple why this don't work |
| 15:46.51 | lcuk | you have spoken about Nokia in a positive light and wanted to improve things for as long as I have known you! |
| 15:47.14 | lcuk | you have introduced more people to speaking clearly than anyone I know |
| 15:47.40 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:47.43 | timeless | :) |
| 15:48.11 | GAN900 | luke-jr, too idealistic, I think. |
| 15:48.22 | GAN900 | luke-jr, not a poor idea, really, but not realistic. |
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| 15:55.50 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
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| 15:58.47 | luke-jr | considering lcuk's advice, perhaps better would be to sketch up a general design of a device, then let people sign on as "I would buy this for up to $___" |
| 16:00.10 | luke-jr | maybe a "No. This is why:" comment box :P |
| 16:00.33 | lcuk | nokia already doing that |
| 16:00.50 | luke-jr | lcuk: I haven't seen any such polls |
| 16:01.19 | GAN900 | luke-jr, because you're not a good enough customer |
| 16:01.31 | GAN900 | They don't ACTUALLY want your money. |
| 16:01.37 | lcuk | http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ |
| 16:01.38 | timeless | there was a poll series a while ago for that |
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| 16:03.02 | luke-jr | lcuk: interesting. I see a couple of flaws with the implementation at first glance |
| 16:03.14 | luke-jr | end-users shouldn't decide 'capacitive'; they're too ignorant |
| 16:03.24 | timeless | ah yeah, that one |
| 16:03.29 | luke-jr | they should vote on things like 'multitouch', 'accuracy', 'pressure sensitive' |
| 16:03.33 | alterego | Oh, hahah, like the tags |
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| 16:04.04 | GAN900 | luke-jr, seriously. |
| 16:04.13 | luke-jr | GAN900: ? |
| 16:04.16 | chem|st | luke-jr: true... I wont buy an capacitive device ever! I will sit and wait for resistive multitouch |
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| 16:04.21 | GAN900 | "Oh, capacitive, Apple says I want that. So I want that." |
| 16:04.24 | chem|st | any... |
| 16:04.30 | luke-jr | heh |
| 16:04.40 | luke-jr | only 8 mpixel? O.o |
| 16:04.44 | GAN900 | hands alterego an "I feed trolls" shirt. |
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| 16:04.55 | luke-jr | wonders if having optical zoom on a handheld is really practical |
| 16:05.01 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes. |
| 16:05.14 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: but you need to dedicate a reasonable case volume to it |
| 16:05.15 | luke-jr | I suppose if they can make it larger.. |
| 16:05.27 | alterego | GAN900: I don't have the post count to do tags :P |
| 16:05.34 | luke-jr | finds his metric ruler |
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| 16:05.58 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 16:06.05 | luke-jr | these dimensions are basically N900 |
| 16:06.15 | luke-jr | and they want to add an inch to the screen? |
| 16:06.18 | luke-jr | how does that work? |
| 16:06.31 | lcuk | GAN900, realistically if you want something productive, find a way to get debian packages on all those meego apps in gitorious |
| 16:06.40 | GAN900 | Less bezel |
| 16:06.41 | lcuk | and find a way for community to start patching them |
| 16:06.53 | luke-jr | and why the (%#$( did USB 3 get in? IIRC isn't USB 3 *not* compatible with basically anything?\ |
| 16:06.56 | GAN900 | lcuk, I don't have any energy for that |
| 16:06.57 | lcuk | then we can be playing with apps from both sides |
| 16:07.02 | ebzzry | Hi! What does the file /dev/mtd4 correspond to? |
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| 16:07.15 | lcuk | well some folks have been having energy from other places |
| 16:07.23 | tybollt | GAN900: pardon me for not reading scrollback but what is the fuzz all about? |
| 16:07.25 | GAN900 | and it's not in my area of expertise anyway |
| 16:07.31 | chem|st | cinemascope screen will fit the 4" |
| 16:07.34 | GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=783849 |
| 16:07.39 | tybollt | GAN900: ta |
| 16:07.41 | lcuk | so perhaps if you have no energy to try something constructive I can understand why the poll reults dont have energy to be positive either |
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| 16:07.59 | GAN900 | Weeeeeeee |
| 16:08.53 | GAN900 | lcuk, there are things I'm good at and things I'm not good at, .debs and infra are not one of them. |
| 16:09.05 | lcuk | talking with the council you can do though |
| 16:09.20 | alterego | Talking he can do. |
| 16:09.27 | alterego | He's very good at talking :P |
| 16:09.31 | lcuk | theres a fuckload of new apps just been dropped on gitorious |
| 16:09.41 | lcuk | they arent in great shape and we cant just run them now |
| 16:09.49 | alterego | lcuk: MeeGo? |
| 16:09.52 | lcuk | but with a concerted effort perhaps we can |
| 16:09.54 | lcuk | yes |
| 16:09.59 | alterego | Schweet. |
| 16:10.04 | alterego | goes to check 'em out |
| 16:10.10 | Stskeeps | there's reference apps to improve |
| 16:10.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:10.17 | lcuk | Stskeeps, yes, my point |
| 16:10.20 | Stskeeps | and features to be implemented |
| 16:10.23 | alterego | Exactly, |
| 16:10.26 | lcuk | get them running in maemo |
| 16:10.35 | lcuk | and maybe just maybe there will be some more energy |
| 16:10.38 | alterego | The best most of us can hope for is a good MeeGo base UX experience .. |
| 16:11.14 | lcuk | its fun to boot into meego once in a while or look at the videos |
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| 16:11.24 | lcuk | it will be more fun to be able to cherry pick apps as they mature |
| 16:11.30 | alterego | I doubt we'll inherit anything from Harmatten I guess is my point. |
| 16:11.37 | lcuk | and actually replace bits in small chunks |
| 16:11.43 | alterego | (despite those discussions) |
| 16:12.37 | lcuk | and GAN900 if the council wants to be valued, they best stop talking about themselves as the outgoing, final dead end council |
| 16:12.46 | Stskeeps | alterego: we're actually inheriting a full desktop, lib toolkit, systemui, .. etc |
| 16:12.52 | Stskeeps | more of a platform we ever had in maemo5 |
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| 16:13.36 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: ovi store. |
| 16:13.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:13.39 | lcuk | GAN900, I see kisstester has finally took off, when I was discussing this in the future of maemo meeting a few months ago I was told not to bother |
| 16:13.43 | alterego | Stskeeps: that may be, but MeeGo isn't Harmattan, we'll be using RPM's whilst Harmattan will still be on Debs |
| 16:13.53 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 16:13.56 | Stskeeps | alterego: packaging doesn't really matter. |
| 16:14.03 | SpeedEvil | does not get the package managment nazis. |
| 16:14.03 | Stskeeps | anyway, http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3209&hide_resolved=1 |
| 16:14.04 | lcuk | getting testing on the device and along with the apps themselves is something I REALLY like to see happening |
| 16:14.10 | lcuk | its one of the most positive steps in a long time |
| 16:14.12 | alterego | It'll be interesting, because in theory the N900 will be using more up-to-date software than the successor. |
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| 16:14.36 | SpeedEvil | I need to finish off http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management |
| 16:14.57 | SpeedEvil | Which is part of the way there to explaining why stuff uses power. |
| 16:15.01 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, I might want to discuss that with you and someone else |
| 16:15.02 | alterego | Which has got me thinking, I probably wont bother with the next device :) |
| 16:15.02 | SpeedEvil | Hopefully tonight. |
| 16:15.09 | SpeedEvil | lcuk? |
| 16:15.13 | alterego | Hell, I had to pay full whack for the N900 as I didn't have the karma. |
| 16:15.21 | xDaReaperx | wonders why i keep disconnecting from the IRC |
| 16:15.24 | SpeedEvil | I paid full wack too. |
| 16:15.24 | alterego | I doubt I'll get anything this time around for cheap either :/ |
| 16:15.26 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 16:15.39 | alterego | So I think I'll just step back and enjoy the N900 as much as Ican. |
| 16:16.04 | SpeedEvil | I paid full wack - minus the 15% accessories discount, minus the 15% nokia club discount, minus the 15% I forget what it was discount, minus 50 quid from cashback, minus 50 quid from a study on usage. |
| 16:16.27 | xDaReaperx | so how much did you really pay ? |
| 16:16.39 | SpeedEvil | Something like a little under half price. |
| 16:16.53 | xDaReaperx | hmm ok |
| 16:17.14 | SpeedEvil | But that was simply being in the right place at the right time, and risking the discount codes working. |
| 16:17.23 | SpeedEvil | As there was no way I could afford it without them. |
| 16:17.33 | xDaReaperx | haha , i do the exact thing .. i love to Bargain |
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| 16:18.31 | lcuk | Stskeeps, I know end game is full meego |
| 16:18.45 | lcuk | but if you spot any simple mechanisms to get the meego apps running on maemo please speak up |
| 16:18.57 | SpeedEvil | chroot |
| 16:19.57 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, not practical |
| 16:19.58 | SpeedEvil | You said simple. You diddn't say practical. |
| 16:19.58 | Stskeeps | lcuk: libmeegotouch works.. |
| 16:19.58 | lcuk | yeah Stskeeps |
| 16:19.58 | Stskeeps | but yeah, chroot |
| 16:19.58 | lcuk | theres some other deps which are being sorted atm |
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| 16:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lcuk: I'd like to join that discussion - even if I maybe have few to contribute |
| 16:43.25 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :) of course I already had you in mind |
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| 16:44.04 | trumee | can N900 take a sdhc card? |
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| 16:44.16 | lcuk | its nothing major, just someone was asking me the sorts of questions I know you guys have been answering and thought it would be better to have a proper get together about it and see if we can get some docs tooling processes fixed up better |
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| 16:44.30 | SpeedEvil | trumee: yes |
| 16:44.50 | trumee | SpeedEvil: so it can take both sdhc and micro sdhc? |
| 16:45.01 | SpeedEvil | trumee: No - it can only take micro. |
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| 16:45.02 | trumee | SpeedEvil: http://www.play.com//ProductOutline.aspx?title=4949676&r=ELEC |
| 16:45.17 | trumee | SpeedEvil: will the above work, i have bought this. |
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| 16:45.34 | trumee | SpeedEvil: seems it is only a sdhc card |
| 16:45.49 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 16:45.57 | SpeedEvil | It's physically about 10* too large. |
| 16:46.09 | trumee | SpeedEvil: damn it! |
| 16:48.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-16.html HaHa \o/ flash <3 :-P |
| 16:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | >>Adobe recommends all users of Adobe Flash Player 10.1.53.64 and earlier versions upgrade to the newest version 10.1.82.76 by downloading it from the Adobe Flash Player Download Center or by installing it via the auto-update mechanism within the product when prompted.<< :-P |
| 16:51.04 | lcuk | so can we get every maemo user banging on their doors? |
| 16:51.12 | SpeedEvil | Oh - interesting! |
| 16:51.22 | SpeedEvil | they've released a version of flash 9 |
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| 16:52.06 | timeless | sighs |
| 16:52.16 | timeless | there's actually an effort here to try to do something about that for maemo5 |
| 16:52.21 | timeless | but it got complicated |
| 16:52.25 | timeless | code is easy |
| 16:52.27 | timeless | nothing else is |
| 16:52.57 | lcuk | yeah timeless |
| 16:52.59 | frals | heh |
| 16:53.49 | lcuk | frals, are you on pmo jabber, might as well play with new toy |
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| 16:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: *nod* |
| 16:55.08 | frals | goes back to sc2 |
| 16:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: seems finally Nokia has to appreciate N900 is a computer and not a closed source cellphone. So like every computer it eventually comes to the point where you need patchdays or whatever, between the major releases of FW |
| 16:56.25 | timeless | um |
| 16:56.30 | timeless | nokia is not a sentient being |
| 16:56.36 | timeless | no matter how much we might wish it were |
| 16:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-S right |
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| 16:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, to join in the trolly mood here, this is another nice topic council coult pick up at |
| 16:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | could* |
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| 16:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, that's a sevey security issue. Nokia has to address it - otherwise somebody might consider sueing them for all the resulting damage |
| 16:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | severe* |
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| 17:00.59 | Funnyface | I hope that flash will be completely eliminated sooner or later.. |
| 17:01.02 | Funnyface | I can't stand it |
| 17:01.11 | Funnyface | hopefully HTML5 will make a change |
| 17:01.17 | timeless | yeah, i hate it when people can watch viral videos |
| 17:01.22 | timeless | it makes me feel so left out |
| 17:01.28 | timeless | it's really terrible! |
| 17:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | no matter how to address it - maybe even by a mail to all users suggesting to disable flash in microb's about:settings or whatever |
| 17:01.38 | Funnyface | what's the security issue of flash "this time"? |
| 17:01.41 | GAN900 | HTML 5 in MeeGo? |
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| 17:03.21 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:03.46 | lcuk | o_O DocScrutinizer |
| 17:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: Critical vulnerabilities have been identified in Adobe Flash Player version 10.1.53.64 and earlier. These vulnerabilities could cause the application to crash and could potentially allow an attacker to take control of the affected system. |
| 17:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ?? |
| 17:04.57 | lcuk | nm |
| 17:05.09 | lcuk | timeless, "cat videos of the world unite" |
| 17:05.12 | timeless | gan900: html5 is like ajax |
| 17:05.17 | timeless | it's a collection of junk |
| 17:05.23 | timeless | you mean html5video |
| 17:05.34 | timeless | but which video format do you want? |
| 17:05.35 | timeless | flv? |
| 17:05.39 | timeless | mp4? |
| 17:05.44 | timeless | ogg? |
| 17:05.48 | timeless | webm? |
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| 17:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: is there a way to config microb so it won't autoload and play each embedded flash thingie, but rather have a button to click inside the frame saying "start playback"? |
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| 17:13.48 | zash | DocScrutinizer: you want flashblock? |
| 17:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | as malware flash usually doesn't come via the youtube video you clicked intentionally to watch it, but rather by one of the 53 flash animated adds from nobody-knows-where on the side banner |
| 17:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | zash: ooh, yep. probably |
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| 17:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | so probably we should get a recommendation "to all maemo users: please install flashblock. If in doubt, don't playback flash media" |
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| 17:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | also deprecating rootsh in favour of ssh-client/server metapkg which already comes with madatory password, might be sensible |
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| 17:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | or simply pushing a new version of rootsh thru SSU, which has a password setting mechanism like ssh |
| 17:24.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ssh root@localhost? |
| 17:24.06 | kerio | EW |
| 17:24.17 | kerio | what's wrong with su |
| 17:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why qwerty12 hadn't done rootsh that way, from very beginning |
| 17:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: su doesn't work with busybox |
| 17:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 17:25.15 | FIQ | Hi |
| 17:25.21 | kerio | then here is our problem, isn't it? |
| 17:25.22 | FIQ | About su/sudo/rootsh/whatever |
| 17:26.06 | FIQ | How did i randomly get the possibility to use "sudo" as i do at desktopp |
| 17:26.20 | FIQ | Maybe it was because i changed default shell? |
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| 17:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: our problem (well one of the problems :-D ) is gainroot doesn't ask for password as of /etc/sudoers |
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| 17:28.42 | FIQ | Ugh, random d/c |
| 17:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 17:28.48 | FIQ | did my line arrive? |
| 17:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:29.04 | FIQ | because i didn't see the answer |
| 17:29.07 | FIQ | if any |
| 17:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | and yep, might be related to default shell |
| 17:29.15 | FIQ | ah, k |
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| 17:31.30 | GAN900 | timeless, what did you ping me about? |
| 17:31.45 | GAN900 | XChat crashed and I have no scrollback. . .. |
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| 17:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | grep gainroot //etc/sudoers -> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot |
| 17:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | not a brilliant idea |
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| 17:43.19 | pronto | it would be awesome for the sms app to have an ncurses interface so i could just leave my phone upstairs charging, and ssh to it to send and recieve texts |
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| 17:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | root; grep -q 'root:*' & passwd & sed "s/user ALL = NOPASSWD: \/usr\/sbin\/gainroot/user ALL = PASSWD: \/usr\/sbin\/gainroot/" /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo; echo "who is/does update-sudoers? if it's not done on next boot, you need to edit /etc/sudoers accordingly" |
| 17:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | this is an untested *suggestion* |
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| 17:55.51 | MohammadAG | pronto, not exactly sms, but I'm working on something that'll help with ssh control |
| 17:56.02 | MohammadAG | so, need help on that |
| 17:56.06 | MohammadAG | suppose I have: |
| 17:56.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.14 | MohammadAG | how do I get the text between the "" |
| 17:56.26 | MohammadAG | so I can get general\nsilent |
| 17:58.10 | Ford_Prefect | MohammadAG: in bash? |
| 17:58.16 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 17:58.20 | MohammadAG | well, sh |
| 17:58.38 | MohammadAG | I was thinking awk, but idk the first thing about it |
| 17:58.39 | Ford_Prefect | ... | cut -f 2 -d '"' is one way |
| 18:00.23 | MohammadAG | hmm, sure? |
| 18:00.23 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ echo " string "general" |
| 18:00.23 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.24 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.24 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.26 | Ford_Prefect | Change that echo so the first and last " are ' |
| 18:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 18:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-12 02:27:42] <DocScrutinizer> I'd suggest a >>apt-get install $(apt-cache search microb|grep " - "|cut -f 1 -d " ") --purge --reinstall |
| 18:04.16 | jophish | is it possible to add another user under maemo? |
| 18:04.18 | Ford_Prefect | cut \m/ |
| 18:04.59 | Stskeeps | hmm, how many mb/s is the mmcs supposed to pull generally? |
| 18:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | err 11 ? |
| 18:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | don't quote me on that |
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| 18:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | speedevil or ShadowJK or cehteh might know better |
| 18:07.01 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why i/o utilization on his bootchart shows 52 mb/s then |
| 18:08.10 | jacekowski | more than 11 |
| 18:08.17 | jacekowski | i had like 15M/s write |
| 18:08.24 | jacekowski | so it has to do more in read |
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| 18:12.52 | lcuk | [MeeGo-dev] Making meego fast - quick tests and lots of input needed http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004797.html |
| 18:14.25 | E0x | how i can do something like this in python : for i = 1 o 5 |
| 18:14.33 | E0x | ( vb :D ) |
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| 18:14.46 | baraujo | E0x, for i in range(1,6) |
| 18:15.07 | baraujo | oops |
| 18:15.19 | baraujo | E0x, for i in range(1,6): |
| 18:15.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | making meego fast? simple: make maemo fast, then port to meego |
| 18:15.32 | E0x | i try that but i got a error , but i think is because the last number is inside of var |
| 18:15.45 | E0x | and say something about that get a float type |
| 18:15.48 | kerio | range(x) is 0...x-1 |
| 18:15.55 | SpeedEvil | Who was playing with the sound subsystem 'directly'. |
| 18:15.55 | kerio | range(a, b) is a...b-1 |
| 18:16.00 | SpeedEvil | I forget. |
| 18:17.01 | kerio | well, it returns an iterator that's iterated through by for |
| 18:17.37 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, indeed |
| 18:17.49 | lcuk | lots of things run well now |
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| 18:17.50 | trumee | guys, anybody knows what micro sdhc plus is? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/12761327/Samsung-8GB-Micro-SDHC-Plus-Memory-Card/Product.html |
| 18:17.56 | lcuk | meego, not so much from what I see |
| 18:18.10 | kerio | a range() object |
| 18:18.14 | kerio | in python3 |
| 18:18.27 | trumee | The card above is a samsung 8 gb class 6 card, but micro sdhc plus is scaring me off. will it work with N900? |
| 18:19.39 | trumee | here it is http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/memory-cards-hdd-odd/memory-card/micro-sd-plus/MB-MP8G026/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification |
| 18:19.58 | trumee | 15 mm by 11mm by 1mm, is that microsdhc? |
| 18:20.10 | crashanddie | trumee: eh? |
| 18:20.15 | trumee | will that fit into N900? |
| 18:20.22 | trumee | crashanddie: http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/memory-cards-hdd-odd/memory-card/micro-sd-plus/MB-MP8G026/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification |
| 18:20.37 | crashanddie | trumee: if it says microSD, it'll fit |
| 18:20.52 | trumee | crashanddie: what is micro sdhc plus? |
| 18:21.18 | jacekowski | btw. do we know who's manufacturing rapuyama? |
| 18:21.21 | crashanddie | trumee: marketing |
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| 18:22.41 | trumee | crashanddie: thanks |
| 18:23.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: TI? |
| 18:24.14 | crashanddie | trumee: if you buy it in a B&M shop, ask the salesman for confirmation, in case it doesn't work you can exchange it |
| 18:24.26 | jacekowski | is that official info or just assumption? |
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| 18:28.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | semi official assumption, as a TI engineer was involved in chip development |
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| 18:30.44 | SpeedEvil | It looked like a TI/nokia project. |
| 18:30.53 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat at least in-house for nokia |
| 18:31.49 | jacekowski | well, it uses same code signing as other ti chips but is it just maybe licensed technology |
| 18:31.55 | SpeedEvil | http://www.visualcv.com/fgoeusse |
| 18:31.57 | SpeedEvil | see that |
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| 18:34.26 | jacekowski | well, it looks like nokia is quite big client for ti |
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| 18:34.36 | jacekowski | - "Nokia Business Unit Architecture Department" |
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| 18:45.34 | VDVsx | RST38h, still in mordor or the situation is better now ? :P |
| 18:49.31 | timeless | DocScrutinizer: there might be a flashblock, flashclicktoplay, or noscript |
| 18:49.35 | timeless | any of them should work |
| 18:50.12 | lcuk | timeless, i never asked - the thing that needs kicking needs kicking |
| 18:50.20 | lcuk | I will remind you daytime tomorrow |
| 18:50.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: mm k, was more of a suggestion rather than a question |
| 18:51.06 | timeless | lcuk: yeah, your timing sucks :) |
| 18:51.26 | timeless | but you can use the other thing for pinging since it hits my phone directly |
| 18:51.28 | lcuk | I tried earlier |
| 18:51.35 | lcuk | and frals is crap at passing on messages ;) |
| 18:51.43 | lcuk | sure |
| 18:51.52 | timeless | doc: um... microb is a dead end |
| 18:51.59 | timeless | and the future product already supports at least noscript |
| 18:52.11 | timeless | so as suggestions go, i don't see it going anywhere else |
| 18:52.13 | timeless | no need |
| 18:52.14 | lcuk | it would be nice to get flashblock there |
| 18:52.17 | timeless | alreadyfixed |
| 18:52.17 | lcuk | has a stake in that |
| 18:52.25 | lcuk | well, a code fix at any rate |
| 18:52.33 | timeless | http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2008/07/flashblock-port-to-microb/ |
| 18:52.49 | lcuk | awesome url |
| 18:53.00 | lcuk | i know its on microb |
| 18:53.09 | lcuk | but I meant on future thing as you just mentioned :P |
| 18:53.46 | timeless | hrm, flashblock hasn't been ported to fennec? |
| 18:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: this is about a hotfix bandaid to cope with the adobe flash vulnerability threat |
| 18:53.54 | timeless | well.. tell someone to get hoping |
| 18:53.54 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 18:54.00 | timeless | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/search/?q=flashblock&cat=all&lver=any&pid=1&sort=&pp=20&lup=&advanced= |
| 18:54.03 | lcuk | i didnt know thats what you were implying |
| 18:54.26 | timeless | s/hoping/hopping/ |
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| 19:06.24 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: not sure nokia actually cares about security updates for fremantle |
| 19:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | they damn better did, it's not something a company can afford to gamble with |
| 19:07.32 | kerio | does nokia care about a broken usb port? |
| 19:07.54 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: as if they cared about old, dumb phones |
| 19:08.18 | kerio | actually |
| 19:08.23 | kerio | does nokia care care about a broken usb port? |
| 19:08.26 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: think about all the flawed bluetooth stacks which were never patched |
| 19:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 19:08.49 | kerio | who uses those |
| 19:08.57 | Corsac | kerio: a lot of people |
| 19:09.12 | kerio | those lot of people should learn to turn the bluetooth off |
| 19:09.34 | Corsac | kerio: that's a workaround, sure |
| 19:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly the rationale to consider this a minor threat |
| 19:09.41 | kerio | but they're idiots who bought a smartphone to be cool, so... |
| 19:09.49 | Corsac | kerio: but some people actually use bluetooth :) |
| 19:09.59 | Corsac | kerio: I didn't talk about smartphones |
| 19:10.09 | Corsac | a lot of dumb phones have bluetooth |
| 19:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | still BT vuln isn't a distance problem |
| 19:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | flash vuln over IP is though |
| 19:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | diff like a sling to a nuklear device |
| 19:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 19:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 19:11.49 | lcuk | \o |
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| 19:18.43 | MohammadAG | I remember you asked us to cat it |
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| 19:52.44 | alterego | Is it possible, in QML to do something like: "width: parent.width / parent.children.length()" ? |
| 19:52.58 | alterego | Basically, how can I get the length of parent.children list ? @_ |
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| 20:12.12 | E0x | what i need restart for get update the widget list ? |
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| 20:13.02 | lcuk | TomaszD, hehe |
| 20:13.17 | kerio | what *do* i need *to* restart *to* update the widget list |
| 20:13.23 | lcuk | alterego, not sure, wouldn't that need the same sort of thing as html? ie a javascript block! |
| 20:13.45 | alterego | lcuk: that's sort of what I was thinking |
| 20:13.53 | lcuk | *kerio* *I* *don't* *know* *which* *list* *you* *mean* |
| 20:14.01 | alterego | I suppose I can stick it in an onload initialization func |
| 20:14.22 | alterego | I think he's talking about Qt Creator |
| 20:14.28 | alterego | In which case, yes :) |
| 20:15.05 | kerio | lcuk: read more scrollback |
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| 20:16.01 | lcuk | E0x, same question :P |
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| 20:20.42 | E0x | hehe sorry |
| 20:20.51 | E0x | the list of available widget |
| 20:20.57 | kerio | widgetS |
| 20:20.58 | E0x | when you go to add one |
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| 20:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: what? test all 3 LEDs? |
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| 20:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: clear proof of E0x's pidgin is better than your English :-P |
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| 20:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: when 9 pidgin speakers and 1 native english speaker join in a conference, then in the end 10 people go away with a clear idea about the points of 9 of the 10 people :-D (sic!) |
| 20:53.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i'm not a native english speaker |
| 20:53.56 | kerio | i'm italian |
| 20:54.03 | kerio | born in italy, living in italy |
| 20:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | the point holds true nevertheless |
| 20:54.28 | kerio | hold *this* point |
| 20:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | and I never stated you'd be a *native* englsih speaker |
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| 20:57.04 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 20:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and waves @ Trem |
| 21:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | could we run microb in a chroot, or flash in a sandbox, or whatever? |
| 21:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | user microb ? |
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| 21:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | and user microb has write permisions to MyDocs only |
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| 21:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | will be a bombastic migraine I guess, as microb is a support function for so many other services |
| 21:04.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: the latest firefox can run flash in a separate process |
| 21:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 21:04.59 | kerio | i guess it wouldn't be hard to run *that* inside a sandbox |
| 21:05.03 | kerio | without having to sandbox the whole browser |
| 21:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:05.40 | E0x | yay i did my first widget that do something |
| 21:05.41 | E0x | :D |
| 21:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | now for a shell 5liner to fix that borked gainroot... |
| 21:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | who is or does update-sudoers ? |
| 21:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | s/who/what (process)/ |
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| 21:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, I don't want my thumb tacked :-) |
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| 21:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeeha, netsplit |
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| 21:41.32 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 21:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 21:41.49 | infobot | ~pong |
| 21:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 21:41.56 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
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| 21:42.49 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 21:42.49 | infobot | kerio: thanks |
| 21:42.49 | kerio | :( |
| 21:43.01 | luke-jr | ~botsnack |
| 21:43.01 | infobot | aw, gee, luke-jr |
| 21:43.05 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 21:43.15 | kerio | ~docsnack |
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| 21:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | blargh kerio - rancid! |
| 21:45.48 | kerio | why you ungrateful... |
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| 21:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | it wasn't good! gimme another |
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| 21:48.24 | kerio | ~docsnack |
| 21:48.25 | infobot | ACTION snaps the snack in a flying jump, and runs to bring it to DocScrutinizer. Halfway there, eats snack |
| 21:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 21:48.36 | kerio | hehe |
| 21:48.41 | kerio | poor DocScrutinizer |
| 21:48.56 | kerio | where are you running infobot, btw? |
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| 21:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: your punctuation is abyssmal. >> where are you running, infobot, btw?<< |
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| 21:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | I guess she won't answer |
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| 22:08.04 | smhar | is the user account for bugs.maemo.org different than talk.maemo.org? |
| 22:08.08 | jacekowski | have you seen new opera |
| 22:08.11 | jacekowski | with faster JS |
| 22:08.12 | jacekowski | Our further-optimized JavaScript engine is over 50% faster than in Opera 10.50. |
| 22:11.16 | GAN900 | smhar, yes. |
| 22:11.57 | smhar | my God, how many accounts do I need to keep track of?! :-) |
| 22:12.49 | GAN900 | smhar, Talk predates bugzilla by a few months |
| 22:13.05 | GAN900 | And Talk started off as internettablettalk.com |
| 22:13.09 | GAN900 | Not maemo.org |
| 22:13.15 | GAN900 | and 3 accounts. :) |
| 22:13.36 | lcuk | GAN900, o_O didn't know |
| 22:13.47 | lcuk | bug #1 has comments from april 28 2005 |
| 22:13.48 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 22:14.02 | lcuk | wheres earliest "first post" in tmo? |
| 22:14.05 | smhar | they could have used the same account for bugzilla, what is the 3rd? |
| 22:16.02 | GAN900 | smhar, Garage |
| 22:16.15 | GAN900 | smhar, for Bugzilla and Talk? No, no they couldn't have |
| 22:16.28 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39 is earliest thread I can find, posted july 27 2005 |
| 22:16.39 | GAN900 | That's why I told you they were started as separate websites. |
| 22:16.52 | GAN900 | lcuk, bugzilla was private initially, I believe. |
| 22:17.05 | GAN900 | But I hadn't realized bug #1 was that old. |
| 22:17.14 | GAN900 | So, scratch that, reverse it. |
| 22:17.25 | GAN900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.33 | lcuk | GAN900, sure, understandable, just looking at the uber coolness that is the start! |
| 22:17.55 | lcuk | i once did same for slashdot, that has such humble beginnings too! |
| 22:18.28 | smhar | but do I really need to have an account just to view the bugs? |
| 22:18.30 | lcuk | heh, that bug1 got bumped again this year :D |
| 22:18.43 | lcuk | no, you can view openly i believe? |
| 22:18.49 | lcuk | bug 10000 |
| 22:18.50 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Overwriting of devices in PAIRED DEVICES LIST |
| 22:19.02 | lcuk | can you see that ^ |
| 22:20.06 | GAN900 | smhar, no. . . . |
| 22:20.15 | GAN900 | smhar, remove httpS |
| 22:20.29 | lcuk | oh yeah |
| 22:20.56 | smhar | yes.. thanks. I followed a link that did not show anything, probably for reporting bugs: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=DreamRemote |
| 22:21.15 | MohammadAG | is there an api to get gps coordinates using a shell? |
| 22:21.46 | lcuk | do shells know their location? I thought they had hermit crabs in? |
| 22:22.06 | GAN900 | smhar, yes, that's a reporting bug. |
| 22:22.22 | GAN900 | smhar, you'll want to use Advanced search to view all bugs for a product. |
| 22:22.26 | MohammadAG | guess not |
| 22:22.34 | MohammadAG | uses the reverse engineer method |
| 22:23.03 | lcuk | MohammadAG, i think you can though |
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| 22:23.13 | lcuk | luke-jr, must have found a way at some point |
| 22:23.23 | MohammadAG | yeah, the reverse engineer method :P |
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| 22:23.30 | MohammadAG | strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep '| 000' |
| 22:23.49 | GAN900 | The fact that it's a function of the modem makes things retardedly complicated. |
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| 22:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | damn! since I edited my wiki/user:talk page for a test, I get >>You have new messages (last change).<< notifier on *every* wiki page, and nothing makes this crap vanish :-/ |
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| 22:32.21 | luke-jr | GAN900: not really |
| 22:32.48 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: there's a Python API |
| 22:33.08 | MohammadAG | Python != Shell though |
| 22:33.13 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: for Gentoo, there's gpsd |
| 22:33.31 | MohammadAG | I'm on maemo |
| 22:33.46 | luke-jr | python - <<\CODE |
| 22:33.48 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 22:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're a reversed engineer? :-P |
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| 22:40.33 | lcuk | lol |
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| 22:48.31 | crashanddie | GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4886039427/ |
| 22:49.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, I reverse engineers |
| 22:50.06 | crashanddie | is that a euphemism? |
| 22:50.16 | MohammadAG | reverses DocScrutinizer |
| 22:50.48 | GAN900 | crashanddie, how's work? |
| 22:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | is totally symmetric. You won't notice a difference |
| 22:50.58 | crashanddie | tiring |
| 22:51.14 | MohammadAG | When it reaches -devel, prolly in the next 15 mins, knock yourself out, http://maemo.org/packages/vieew/phone-control/ |
| 22:51.21 | crashanddie | going through hardcore training, with a guy who has a brain wired at 8000 miles an hour |
| 22:51.37 | MohammadAG | bah, http://maemo.org/packages/view/phone-control/ |
| 22:52.06 | MohammadAG | Does mostly everything here, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control cam not tested |
| 22:52.22 | MohammadAG | off to have a break, cya |
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| 22:56.37 | crashanddie | anyway, off to bed |
| 22:59.44 | chi | which filesystem for sd for n900? |
| 23:00.29 | chi | vfat? |
| 23:01.07 | yuizy__ | what is the best way to get a map widget in a qt n900 program? |
| 23:04.58 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/qt_map_widget/ |
| 23:05.00 | SpeedEvil | yuizy__: |
| 23:05.08 | SpeedEvil | some thoughts (largely not mine) |
| 23:05.47 | chi | okay just going to try vfat tomorrow since i left my charger |
| 23:05.51 | chi | hope i'm right |
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