| 00:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene none of those had been asked by me. I shanghai'd them |
| 00:00.07 | crashanddie | well, I konw mohammad is an op on other networks, and has a good understanding of IRC (even though not specifically freenode's specifics) |
| 00:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: zero |
| 00:01.06 | crashanddie | lcuk is an excellent moral guide, but I don't know if he'll bother with actually moderating the channel through any other means than his usual talking |
| 00:01.34 | TiagoTiago | i thought making higher frequency EM required more energy than for lower frequency |
| 00:01.45 | crashanddie | (that's not a critique, btw, that's more of a compliment) |
| 00:01.54 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: it's the same led |
| 00:01.56 | lcuk | i actually agree, i don't know much of irc commands etc, but its good to know theres a few folks that can be whistled when needed |
| 00:02.09 | crashanddie | indeed |
| 00:02.12 | TiagoTiago | but it's doing different things, the energy is being routed thru different paths |
| 00:02.27 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: still, the difference is negligeable |
| 00:03.04 | achipa | TiagoTiago: strictly speaking, the human eye is far more a factor than electronics there |
| 00:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's really simple, first thing you need to know is /msg chanserv op #maemo |
| 00:03.22 | TiagoTiago | green can appear brighter for the same ammount of input energy, right? |
| 00:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | to get +o |
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| 00:03.51 | lcuk | oh hi! finally decided to join |
| 00:03.51 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: because the leds have different MCD outputs |
| 00:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | 2nd thing: it's common best practice to not hold +o in normal situations |
| 00:04.03 | TiagoTiago | what does MCD stands for? |
| 00:04.08 | achipa | TiagoTiago: correct, as you detect more photons of it |
| 00:04.15 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: milli candles |
| 00:04.46 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yeah i know that |
| 00:05.05 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: usually, it's a 1:4:1 factor (meaning that red will output 1000 mcd, green 4000 and blue 1000) |
| 00:05.07 | TiagoTiago | so each component is balanced to the point that the same amount of input energy produces the same amount of perceived brightness for each component? |
| 00:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 00:05.17 | lcuk | though in another place, op powers were restored and I opped everyone in the channel to make sure we didn't lose them :D |
| 00:05.45 | lcuk | (on different network) |
| 00:05.54 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: no, most rgb leds will have a much more powerfull green than red or blue |
| 00:06.14 | achipa | wants the led from the N810 back, not this vestigial one on the N900 |
| 00:06.35 | crashanddie | achipa: the n810 one was a bit too bright though |
| 00:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 00:06.40 | lcuk | achipa, i quite like the LED on the 900 |
| 00:06.43 | crashanddie | achipa: would keep me up at night, had to cover it up |
| 00:06.46 | lcuk | i remember the first night with n810 |
| 00:06.47 | TiagoTiago | but who lighting up blue doesn't5 consume any more energy than lighting up red? |
| 00:06.53 | lcuk | i woke up to think aliens had invaded |
| 00:07.00 | spinningcompass | lcuk: Do you live in Arizona? :) |
| 00:07.01 | lcuk | there was a mysterious glow from end of bed |
| 00:07.01 | TiagoTiago | how* |
| 00:07.08 | ShadowJK | N800 led is more scary |
| 00:07.16 | lcuk | spinningcompass, hmm? |
| 00:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you should have edited /etc/mce/mce.ini instead of covering it |
| 00:07.24 | spinningcompass | lcuk: n/m |
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| 00:07.29 | achipa | crashanddie: that's just a question of LED drive - you can always drive it with half power... if you think about it up-front :) |
| 00:07.30 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: well, they use the same power, but they just output more or less light |
| 00:07.31 | ShadowJK | it flashes and I think "oh shit thunderstorm how much stuff did I lose?" :) |
| 00:07.52 | crashanddie | achipa: oh yeah, definitely, just trying to explain to TiagoTiago why it doesn't make any real difference |
| 00:08.10 | crashanddie | achipa: I think he's trying to get us to conclude that the led is preventing his n900 from charging quickly |
| 00:08.18 | crashanddie | which is completely wrong, obviously |
| 00:08.26 | TiagoTiago | then why when it lights up white it looks blueish? |
| 00:08.52 | lcuk | most "white" leds have a tint - a warmth factor |
| 00:09.04 | crashanddie | lcuk: except that blue would make it cold :P |
| 00:09.04 | lcuk | its very difficult to get true bload spectrum white out of LEDs |
| 00:09.22 | achipa | lcuk: never liked the N900 led... the blue is to tamed, can hardly see in in daylight, and it's on the face, so not visible in pockets... |
| 00:09.26 | TiagoTiago | jsut about all i've seen look blueish, there are these ones in my Poerball that look greenish for some reason |
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| 00:09.43 | TiagoTiago | at least the non RGB ones |
| 00:09.45 | achipa | TiagoTiago: there is no such thing as white |
| 00:09.59 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, its because of the specific frequencies that LEDs put out |
| 00:10.04 | realitygaps | hey ppl, anyone have any idea how i can fix this broken chat scrollbar? screen - http://realitygaps.com/screenfix.jpg |
| 00:10.09 | achipa | TiagoTiago: just a mix of the spectrum your brain declares white |
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| 00:10.23 | lcuk | realitygaps, still same problem, ack |
| 00:10.27 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: in colour, "white" is when every single colour is being emitted, this is nearly impossible using led (or any other light source, realistically speaking) |
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| 00:10.32 | realitygaps | lcuk: yep and on the road so cant flash |
| 00:10.34 | lcuk | do you want to try changing the theme in use |
| 00:10.46 | TiagoTiago | white LEDs are actually UV LEDs with additional phosphorescent components to stimulate the eye receptors in a way that the eye thinks it's seeing white |
| 00:10.59 | SpeedEvil | No they are not |
| 00:11.03 | TiagoTiago | really? |
| 00:11.07 | SpeedEvil | they are blue LEDs. |
| 00:11.40 | ShadowJK | i thought they were blue+phosphor |
| 00:11.40 | realitygaps | lcuk: tried that doesnt seem to affect anything - its also only in the chat program, the other proggies are fine... was hoping maybe theres something i can reinstall via apt that would fix it |
| 00:11.40 | realitygaps | or some config file to change |
| 00:11.40 | SpeedEvil | With a yellowishred phosphor |
| 00:11.40 | lcuk | realitygaps, i have not seen that before now |
| 00:11.40 | realitygaps | lcuk |
| 00:11.40 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: so depending on the quality and manufacturing process, you will have a tint (just look at the lightbulb that is illuminating your room, is it white? No) |
| 00:11.41 | TiagoTiago | i thought they were UV +RGB phosphor |
| 00:11.44 | ShadowJK | atleast they turn angry blue when you push too much through them and the phosphor dies :) |
| 00:11.47 | realitygaps | lcuk: yep havent seen any reference to it anywhere |
| 00:11.47 | SpeedEvil | UV LEDs don't really exist. |
| 00:11.49 | lcuk | perhaps timeless would recognise this since its a skin ontop of the browser, but I am at a loss |
| 00:11.57 | TiagoTiago | kinda like white fluorescent ligt bulbs |
| 00:11.58 | SpeedEvil | As other than very, very deep blue. |
| 00:12.01 | realitygaps | figured #maemo was the only place ppl would have any ideas |
| 00:12.08 | crashanddie | realitygaps: reboot? |
| 00:12.13 | timeless | looks up? |
| 00:12.14 | crashanddie | realitygaps: looks like your GTK is broken |
| 00:12.16 | realitygaps | crashanddie: done that |
| 00:12.23 | lcuk | timeless, <realitygaps> hey ppl, anyone have any idea how i can fix this broken chat scrollbar? screen - http://realitygaps.com/screenfix.jpg |
| 00:12.26 | realitygaps | crashanddie: yep only in chat |
| 00:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's because of |
| 00:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:?/led_current |
| 00:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | 2 |
| 00:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | 2 |
| 00:12.51 | timeless | hrm |
| 00:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | which means all three LED are driven with 0.2mA |
| 00:13.00 | lcuk | thats what I said! |
| 00:13.04 | timeless | the scrollbar was iirc supposed to be styled off |
| 00:13.19 | achipa | a monumental amount of energy |
| 00:13.32 | lcuk | realitygaps, i have seen people skinning the chat window, so perhaps something corrupted on your skin |
| 00:13.35 | realitygaps | timeless: it doesnt allow me to swipe to switch selection mode either |
| 00:13.41 | crashanddie | achipa: definitely need a nuclear reactor for that |
| 00:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | make that r:4, g:3 and you got no more blueish white |
| 00:13.46 | timeless | realitygaps: rm |
| 00:13.52 | timeless | sounds like you disabled that extension? |
| 00:13.54 | realitygaps | lcuk: tried changing the skin didnt seem to work to fix it |
| 00:13.55 | timeless | does it work in browser? |
| 00:14.09 | realitygaps | timeless: yes its fine in the browser |
| 00:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: UV LED exist |
| 00:14.13 | timeless | so... |
| 00:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | of course they do |
| 00:14.17 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 00:14.19 | timeless | iirc conversations has a profile |
| 00:14.23 | realitygaps | and everywhere else just the chats themselves are unstyled.. |
| 00:14.26 | achipa | plus it's a cycle so most of the time it's less |
| 00:14.30 | crashanddie | night #maemo, night lcuk |
| 00:14.32 | timeless | you can try to figure out if the profile is broken or something |
| 00:14.32 | realitygaps | conversations app is fine |
| 00:14.43 | realitygaps | timeless: any pointers? |
| 00:15.01 | timeless | strace? |
| 00:15.07 | lcuk | realitygaps, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36618 |
| 00:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'm off to PUB and B2E-R |
| 00:15.32 | realitygaps | lcuk: yep ive been digging through that thread but it seems unrelated |
| 00:15.39 | timeless | profiles generally are in ~/<somewhere> |
| 00:15.45 | timeless | strace is your friend |
| 00:15.47 | realitygaps | lcuk: all the styles in the thread show with that scrollbar on mine |
| 00:15.53 | achipa | TiagoTiago: think about it this way - if that monster-LED on the N810 isn't preventing it going on for over a week, it can't really be a drag on charging either :) |
| 00:15.55 | timeless | that or looking at the /proc/<pid>/fd |
| 00:15.56 | realitygaps | timeless: hmm, that might be a bit over my head. |
| 00:16.07 | timeless | realitygaps: strace isn't that hard |
| 00:16.11 | lcuk | realitygaps, hrm? you mean every one of the custom styles have the same problem? |
| 00:16.13 | realitygaps | ok ill take a look at it |
| 00:16.18 | realitygaps | lcuk: yep it seems that way |
| 00:16.20 | timeless | but checking fd/ is easier |
| 00:16.27 | lcuk | realitygaps, then you have your issue |
| 00:16.36 | realitygaps | timeless: when the chat is running? |
| 00:16.39 | lcuk | read the thread and see how people restore the default |
| 00:16.48 | lcuk | i hate that big threads have no overview wiki |
| 00:16.49 | timeless | realitygaps: fd/ when it's running |
| 00:16.51 | realitygaps | lcuk: by restoring their backups |
| 00:16.55 | lcuk | or even a screenshot overview |
| 00:17.02 | lcuk | realitygaps, tell us what files |
| 00:17.18 | lcuk | we can try sending them to you if that may help? |
| 00:17.31 | timeless | the strace would be best if done by using -f on the browserd server and then killing the current conversations process |
| 00:17.45 | realitygaps | lcuk /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html directory is the styling |
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| 00:18.36 | realitygaps | timeless: catting the /proc/1101/fd/x doesnt give me anything, what am i looking for |
| 00:18.42 | lcuk | ok realitygaps go into that folder and tell me the datestamps of the files |
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| 00:19.01 | timeless | you shouldn't be catting |
| 00:19.04 | timeless | just ls'ing |
| 00:19.11 | timeless | the question is which directories does it use |
| 00:19.21 | timeless | if you're lucky, it'll hint at the profile directory |
| 00:19.34 | realitygaps | they are all numbers |
| 00:19.44 | timeless | ls -l /proc/1101/fd |
| 00:21.38 | realitygaps | all are sockets |
| 00:22.42 | timeless | which process are you looking at? |
| 00:22.46 | timeless | you should be looking at a browserd |
| 00:23.28 | realitygaps | ah browserd |
| 00:23.30 | realitygaps | sorry |
| 00:23.35 | timeless | np |
| 00:23.41 | timeless | you didn't claim to be an expert |
| 00:25.05 | realitygaps | .mozilla |
| 00:25.06 | realitygaps | :) |
| 00:25.40 | realitygaps | '/rtcom |
| 00:26.29 | realitygaps | lcuk: i overwrote them a few times trying to restore it so they will be recent |
| 00:26.56 | timeless | try renaming that directory .mozilla/rtcom-bad |
| 00:27.00 | timeless | and then killing the process |
| 00:27.06 | realitygaps | yep, did that and rebooted |
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| 00:27.12 | realitygaps | didnt think to kill the process |
| 00:33.20 | realitygaps | didnt work :( |
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| 00:45.06 | TermanaN900 | good morning |
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| 00:45.19 | jaem | TermanaN900: Morning! |
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| 00:47.36 | TiagoTiago | morning |
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| 00:57.37 | TiagoTiago | do you know of a program that will run in the background and monitor the progs running and then pop up a window saying somthing like "prog X is making the system run slow, would you like to endtask it?" whenever a program is making other programs and the interface itself be unresponsive ? |
| 00:59.18 | TermanaN900 | TiagoTiago, you mean like the dialog that already comes up when the program is making the system unresponsive to end the task? |
| 00:59.55 | timeless | tiagotiago: would you like to be told that the browser you're using to watch a full screen flash video is using all of your cpu? |
| 01:00.14 | timeless | in general, i want something which does something like what you want |
| 01:00.22 | timeless | but the impl needs to be very different |
| 01:00.35 | TiagoTiago | i don't think i've seen that one, i've only got a msg when closign an unresponsive or when the unresponsive program is the one on screen and it won't respond to several clicks on it |
| 01:00.43 | timeless | more or less, it needs to capture process lists for time periods |
| 01:00.51 | timeless | and then ask the user what they were using |
| 01:01.14 | timeless | anyway, it isn't trivial to get this right |
| 01:01.21 | timeless | but the really naive impl will suck |
| 01:03.40 | TiagoTiago | check how much each process is using, check which process has focus and check if it is responding to input or even having enough processor time to work |
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| 01:05.36 | timeless | doesn't work for browser |
| 01:05.49 | timeless | the process using cpu is not the process which handles input |
| 01:05.54 | TiagoTiago | why? |
| 01:06.00 | timeless | process split |
| 01:06.04 | timeless | the ui process handles events |
| 01:06.11 | timeless | the daemon does the work |
| 01:06.21 | timeless | when the daemon crashes, it restarts and the user continues |
| 01:06.42 | TiagoTiago | yeah, i know, it's not for detecting when the currently focused prog is unresponsive, it's for checking when other progs are making everythign unresponsive |
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| 01:20.14 | newbie0007 | hi, help! I cannot turn on my n900. I've never done anything too advanced to the phone. The last thing I did was to charge it. Then hit the power button (which displays a menu) from the menu I hit "turn off" |
| 01:20.55 | jaem | newbie0007: What happens when you hold down the power button to turn it on? |
| 01:21.00 | jaem | Does the LED light up at all? |
| 01:21.16 | newbie0007 | Nothing, held it down for 1 minute. No lights at all |
| 01:21.37 | jaem | newbie0007: You said you charged it fully before this? |
| 01:21.38 | newbie0007 | I've had it for less than a year I think |
| 01:21.50 | jaem | newbie0007: it hasn't been out for a year, so good guess. :P |
| 01:22.00 | jaem | Did you try pulling the battery and reinserting it? |
| 01:22.08 | newbie0007 | It was charging, then got a phone call, then power button, then though software turned it off |
| 01:22.28 | newbie0007 | no I'll try the battery... |
| 01:23.37 | newbie0007 | derrr... |
| 01:23.42 | newbie0007 | it's working |
| 01:24.01 | newbie0007 | actually it's back to normal which is also hard to turn on |
| 01:24.23 | newbie0007 | first button gets the light and "Nokia" and second button longer boots it |
| 01:24.39 | newbie0007 | thanks, I was worried I'd have to reflash it or something |
| 01:24.49 | jaem | newbie0007: "second button"? Do you mean "second press"? |
| 01:24.55 | newbie0007 | yes |
| 01:24.57 | jaem | Oh. |
| 01:25.16 | jaem | You should be able to just hold down until it pulses the vibra motor, and the light goes out, and then it will boot. |
| 01:25.32 | jaem | The light and delay are presumably there to make sure you don't accidentally boot it. |
| 01:27.00 | newbie0007 | ah |
| 01:27.24 | newbie0007 | thansk for your help I was freaking out |
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| 01:28.28 | jaem | newbie0007: No problem. :) |
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| 01:35.06 | TiagoTiago | how do i get the programs/shortcuts that the simcard provides on regular phones to show on the N900? |
| 01:35.18 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 01:35.20 | luke-jr | you don't. |
| 01:35.26 | TiagoTiago | why not? |
| 01:35.35 | luke-jr | SIM cards don't provide such things? O.o |
| 01:35.39 | lcuk | what programs? |
| 01:35.47 | timeless | they do sadly |
| 01:35.54 | timeless | it's an ancient piece of crap |
| 01:36.03 | TiagoTiago | there are thigns like boorkmarks for the operator's site, shortcuts to operator funcitonalities etc |
| 01:36.04 | timeless | stupid telcom industry |
| 01:36.22 | lcuk | those are directly on the sim? |
| 01:36.25 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:36.26 | timeless | yep |
| 01:36.29 | lcuk | or preloaded onto phone |
| 01:36.31 | lcuk | ahh ok |
| 01:36.36 | lcuk | never knew |
| 01:36.43 | timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Application_Toolkit |
| 01:36.51 | timeless | it's like the stupidity of DVD menus |
| 01:36.53 | timeless | but worse |
| 01:36.59 | psycho_oreos | I believe they are SIM services, whatever your phone provider has |
| 01:37.28 | TiagoTiago | over here it's common to have the sim card come iwht the things, running the N73 withou a sim card shows none of them, putting one operator's simcard shows the stuff from them, putting another operator's simcard shows theirs instead |
| 01:39.11 | timeless | sims should be data |
| 01:39.13 | timeless | not programs |
| 01:39.16 | timeless | grumbles |
| 01:39.24 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 01:39.24 | timeless | as i said, stupid telcom industry crap |
| 01:39.50 | TiagoTiago | why is ther N900 not compatible witht hat standard? |
| 01:39.59 | TiagoTiago | the* |
| 01:40.06 | timeless | think of it was the lame app platform that predated WAP |
| 01:40.11 | timeless | and remember how good WAP was |
| 01:40.12 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: because N900 isn't a phone |
| 01:40.34 | TiagoTiago | well, to a certain extent that is correct, but still, it does use the GSM standard for lots of stuff |
| 01:40.36 | timeless | tiagotiago: it doesn't support RFC2324 either |
| 01:40.40 | timeless | and that's definitely a crime |
| 01:40.44 | TiagoTiago | what is that one? |
| 01:40.47 | timeless | but well. not all phones can support RFC2324 |
| 01:41.28 | TiagoTiago | ah |
| 01:41.46 | timeless | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RFC2324 |
| 01:41.49 | TiagoTiago | HTCPCP |
| 01:41.55 | timeless | it's critical! |
| 01:42.05 | timeless | it's an absolute crime that it isn't supported |
| 01:42.26 | nox- | hehe |
| 01:43.16 | TiagoTiago | if HTCPCP was more widely used and often used with cell phones, i would expect it to also work with the N900 |
| 01:43.27 | timeless | Search Results |
| 01:43.27 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.29 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.36 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 01:43.56 | TiagoTiago | that quote seems to be more related to conflicting standards than standards that work together |
| 01:44.49 | timeless | well |
| 01:45.09 | timeless | when you make a product, you get to choose the number of standards to support |
| 01:45.32 | timeless | each standard conflicts in that it competes for attention, time and resources |
| 01:46.27 | TermanaN900 | and how much anyone gives a shit |
| 01:46.58 | lcuk | well thanks timeless for hte overview for SIM toolkit |
| 01:47.01 | TiagoTiago | ok, but when you make a product that belongs to a class of products you usually have the standards of that clas of product implemented, i know officially the N900 is not a phone, but a computer, but the team that worked ont he phone functionality of the computer should have made a bigger effort to have the phone fucntionality be compatible witrh the standards most devices with mobile phone... |
| 01:47.03 | TiagoTiago | ...functionality are expected to have |
| 01:47.19 | lcuk | what I cnanot find is how important it is |
| 01:47.29 | lcuk | the |
| 01:47.30 | lcuk | cannot |
| 01:48.01 | timeless | um |
| 01:48.11 | lcuk | I realise for now but its whether if I hear anything about it I should be keeping ears pricked |
| 01:48.11 | timeless | previous phones from nokia had support for WAP |
| 01:48.19 | timeless | it was a commonly supported PoC |
| 01:48.24 | timeless | that doesn't mean we supported it |
| 01:48.26 | timeless | it was crap |
| 01:48.30 | timeless | it still is crap |
| 01:48.39 | timeless | baggage needs to die occasionally |
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| 01:49.07 | TiagoTiago | i'm not questioning the quality of the uses people made of standards |
| 01:49.09 | timeless | note that it's ~5am, so please excuse any typos included in my rants |
| 01:49.20 | TiagoTiago | no worries |
| 01:49.24 | timeless | oh, WAP is crap w/o users |
| 01:49.28 | timeless | it was crap as a standard |
| 01:49.42 | timeless | STK is stupid in that it was designed by people who didn't consider the real world |
| 01:49.48 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 01:49.53 | timeless | i do not need nor do i have a use for an application which only speaks Finnish |
| 01:49.59 | TiagoTiago | where can i read more about why those standards where no good? |
| 01:50.20 | timeless | do you have a use for an application which only speaks Finnish? |
| 01:50.26 | timeless | i presume you speak Portuguese |
| 01:50.28 | lcuk | timeless, the *principle* of WAP was sound afaik, get a simplified but functional web front to the end user |
| 01:50.35 | lcuk | mostly replaced by "mobile optimised pages" |
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| 01:50.54 | timeless | lcuk: it assumed that there would be large adoption of a system |
| 01:50.59 | lcuk | yes |
| 01:51.04 | timeless | large adoption would require better bandwidth than the providers had |
| 01:51.17 | timeless | thus it couldnt work w/o the providers fixing a core network flaw |
| 01:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | this time luke-jr is actually right with his comment about "not a phone". On architectures like N900 with a main application processor and a separate modem chipset loosely coupled to the main system, you virtually can not support SAT |
| 01:51.29 | timeless | having fixed the network flaw, the reason they wanted to do something made no sense |
| 01:51.53 | lcuk | it still makes sense to optimise and streamline the experience |
| 01:51.58 | timeless | it also assumed instant adoption and ignored how cpu, computing, memory, etc behave in the face of moore's law |
| 01:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | SAT needs access to display, to keyboard.... |
| 01:52.06 | lcuk | but the implementation was borked I agree |
| 01:52.22 | TiagoTiago | is there a free S60 emulator that can interface with the phone functionality of the N900? |
| 01:52.22 | timeless | explained this last week over lunch |
| 01:52.45 | timeless | no |
| 01:52.49 | timeless | but you're free to write one |
| 01:52.53 | timeless | symbian is open source |
| 01:52.57 | timeless | so is qemu |
| 01:52.59 | TiagoTiago | free is relative |
| 01:52.59 | lcuk | you do a lot of explaining over lunch :) i shall have to come see you if I get over soon |
| 01:53.11 | luke-jr | wonders if the "modem" in teh N900 does in fact have GUI code with no display connected |
| 01:53.19 | Robot101 | symbian could use a real emulator for their sdk, let alone other devices |
| 01:53.41 | lcuk | luke-jr, that is evil! |
| 01:53.42 | Robot101 | the symbian "emulator" on windows is a joke |
| 01:53.48 | lcuk | morning Robot101 \o |
| 01:53.54 | Robot101 | #ifdef EMULATOR |
| 01:54.01 | Robot101 | behave totally differently |
| 01:54.02 | TiagoTiago | what's wrong with it? |
| 01:54.03 | Robot101 | #else |
| 01:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | hello Robot101 |
| 01:54.04 | timeless | symbian could use a nice grave site for a final resting place |
| 01:54.06 | Robot101 | die in a fire |
| 01:54.10 | luke-jr | Robot101: call it User Mode Symbian |
| 01:54.11 | Robot101 | #endif |
| 01:54.32 | Robot101 | no, user mode linux ran unmodified binaries |
| 01:54.33 | lcuk | luke-jr, there are plenty of headless 3g phones around |
| 01:54.58 | timeless | lcuk: like the ones i can stick into my usb port? |
| 01:55.04 | lcuk | mobile broadband dongles |
| 01:55.05 | lcuk | yeah |
| 01:55.14 | timeless | some of those come w/ some really crappy windows software |
| 01:55.20 | timeless | has used one or two |
| 01:55.35 | timeless | modems should be dead simple |
| 01:55.41 | lcuk | i don't recall needing software for the one I had |
| 01:55.43 | timeless | applications should be user controlled and user installed |
| 01:55.52 | lcuk | the n900 in usb acts nicely |
| 01:56.00 | timeless | nods |
| 01:56.02 | lcuk | at least on ubuntu |
| 01:56.07 | timeless | it's an exception |
| 01:56.25 | lcuk | yeah, never had an issue with it |
| 01:56.26 | TermanaN900 | i have one. Linux works with it fine. But i too use my n900 instead for that purpose :P |
| 01:56.35 | TermanaN900 | (now) |
| 01:57.48 | lcuk | revisits links and ponders setting up irc to twitter |
| 01:59.04 | lcuk | how was curry Robot101 ? |
| 01:59.29 | lcuk | had one @ trafford centre last night |
| 01:59.44 | TiagoTiago | do yo9u know fo a program that will show where int he sky the GPS satelites are expected to be at any given moment? |
| 01:59.46 | Robot101 | lcuk: tasty, then went to pub and into town to meet up some differemt folks at vodka revolution... not my usual scene! |
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| 02:00.17 | lcuk | hah i am surprised you are concious then! vodke sends folks doolaly |
| 02:00.24 | lcuk | vodka too |
| 02:00.37 | Robot101 | I'm a pro, what can I say... :P |
| 02:00.45 | Robot101 | I only had... er... ok 7 drinks |
| 02:00.47 | lcuk | haha |
| 02:01.05 | Robot101 | the girls were trying to get me drunk so I'd dance |
| 02:01.30 | lcuk | was it as bad as you expected or did you get into the swing of it? :D |
| 02:01.49 | lcuk | managed to avoid dancing at the wedding last week |
| 02:03.10 | Robot101 | it was as bad as I thought, not good music and not good people... :P |
| 02:03.23 | TermanaN900 | hmm how is it you get an ircops attention on freenode? |
| 02:03.41 | Robot101 | TermanaN900: #freenode - I'm already there... :P |
| 02:04.28 | TermanaN900 | Robot101, for getting rid of that pesk or just there generally? :P |
| 02:05.09 | lcuk | Robot101, if you still did not like the dancing then the girls did not do a good job at getting you drunk! |
| 02:07.15 | Robot101 | lcuk: well it closed at 2 just as I was getting ingo it |
| 02:07.21 | Robot101 | TermanaN900: for that guy specifically |
| 02:08.10 | lcuk | Robot101, pint glasses are acceptible for vodka consumption in emergency situations. |
| 02:08.57 | TiagoTiago | btw, the sim associated programs thingy is useful for those dualsim adapters for example |
| 02:11.33 | Robot101 | wow the freenode staff aren't very responsive, we just got some metatrolls instead. how useful |
| 02:12.39 | lcuk | Robot101, they respect the channel domain thingy |
| 02:12.47 | TiagoTiago | is there a GUI for editing the powerbutton menu? |
| 02:12.57 | lcuk | and once you get a namespace, you are expected to maintain it |
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| 02:13.26 | lcuk | i read up about this lot when I was registering #liqbase |
| 02:13.42 | TiagoTiago | I wanna add a button to run "sudo reboot now" |
| 02:14.00 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, theres a hardware button on top of your phone |
| 02:14.08 | TiagoTiago | no reboot option there |
| 02:14.08 | lcuk | afaik if you press and hold it does just that ;) |
| 02:14.26 | timeless | tiagitiago: it's based on xml files |
| 02:14.29 | TiagoTiago | i thought it shut it down instead |
| 02:14.31 | timeless | they're trivial to write |
| 02:14.33 | jaem | lcuk: There's a package that adds reboot |
| 02:14.35 | lcuk | maybe it shuts down instead ahh |
| 02:14.42 | lcuk | yeah i have seen jaem |
| 02:14.50 | jaem | timeless: I didn't know it was that simple. Whereabouts would I find said XML? |
| 02:14.53 | jaem | -files |
| 02:15.02 | timeless | somewhere in /? :) |
| 02:15.04 | timeless | try /etc/ |
| 02:15.15 | jaem | timeless: Okay, I'll poke around. |
| 02:15.27 | timeless | but seriously, install one that does something useful |
| 02:15.29 | timeless | and read it |
| 02:15.31 | lcuk | jaem, plenty of noise about it on tmo, use google |
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| 02:16.02 | jaem | lcuk: Yes, sorry. I was just asking if anyone knew the path off-hand. I'll look it up. :) |
| 02:16.04 | timeless | i use the one that lets me turn off cellular w/o turning off wifi |
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| 02:16.07 | timeless | or something like that |
| 02:16.24 | lcuk | tablet mode |
| 02:16.27 | TiagoTiago | how does that work and what would be the purpose? |
| 02:16.39 | timeless | saves on roaming costs? |
| 02:16.43 | TiagoTiago | oh, i see |
| 02:16.46 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, simply disables the 3g modem |
| 02:16.49 | jaem | TiagoTiago: If you want to save battery when you don't need phone functionality? |
| 02:16.51 | TiagoTiago | i thought you meant it shut downthe device |
| 02:17.02 | timeless | e.g. i called my sister via gtalk today |
| 02:17.11 | timeless | well, yesterday? |
| 02:17.23 | timeless | she was in an area where she would have had to pay for roaming |
| 02:17.35 | timeless | had she had an n900, she could have used it in this mode |
| 02:17.47 | timeless | and i wouldn't have gotten feedback from her speakers through her mic |
| 02:17.51 | TiagoTiago | i thought it was for somthing like battery conservation wifihotspot mode or rmeote acess mode (everythign is kinda shutdown but you can still SSH to it and run commands remotly or somthing) |
| 02:17.54 | timeless | (she used a laptop instead) |
| 02:18.03 | timeless | it also saves on battery |
| 02:18.14 | timeless | both are valuable |
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| 02:36.50 | TiagoTiago | echoremoval is better ont he N900 than ont he pc version of gtalk? |
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| 02:43.21 | DerSaidin | anyone been able to preload any set of maps for maep? |
| 02:49.18 | TiagoTiago | every now and then some program complains it can't be isntalled because there are some osso libs missing, where can i get all of the osso libs to end this issue? |
| 02:49.47 | timeless | they're probably packages for maemo3 or maemo2 or maemo4 |
| 02:49.55 | TiagoTiago | oh :( |
| 02:51.23 | TiagoTiago | hm, one of them jsut now is the pc-connectivity manager, it says it got full support for the N90 among other devices |
| 02:51.51 | timeless | the n90? |
| 02:51.58 | TiagoTiago | N900* |
| 02:52.02 | timeless | which symbian product is that, and why should i care? |
| 02:52.18 | TiagoTiago | typo, one zero missing |
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| 02:56.33 | TiagoTiago | so, what can i do? |
| 02:56.45 | jaem | TiagoTiago: where are these programs from? |
| 03:01.04 | TiagoTiago | http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 03:02.36 | jaem | TiagoTiago: as timeless said, by the release dates, that is probably not built for Maemo 5 |
| 03:02.50 | TiagoTiago | but it says it's compatible with the N900 :/ |
| 03:02.56 | jaem | TiagoTiago: which app? |
| 03:03.17 | TiagoTiago | it says t in that page i linked |
| 03:03.28 | jaem | TiagoTiago: from this list: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pc-connectivity <= which one are you trying to install? |
| 03:03.39 | TiagoTiago | the manager |
| 03:04.14 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, how are you attempting to install it |
| 03:04.23 | lcuk | did you download the .deb and using command line? |
| 03:04.28 | TiagoTiago | clicking ont he deb and opening with app manager |
| 03:05.00 | TiagoTiago | from here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=801&release_id=2648 |
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| 03:05.11 | Macer | so does fmms not send over wifi or something? |
| 03:05.14 | TiagoTiago | the 0.6.2.armel one |
| 03:06.00 | lcuk | did you add extras-devel as it says to do in instructions? |
| 03:06.17 | TiagoTiago | i didn't saw that part |
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| 03:06.35 | Macer | hm |
| 03:06.40 | lcuk | :) |
| 03:06.42 | lcuk | http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html |
| 03:06.45 | Macer | havoc seems like a good choice |
| 03:06.49 | lcuk | give it a try |
| 03:07.18 | lcuk | tries for a third time to sleep |
| 03:07.20 | lcuk | gnite \o |
| 03:07.40 | TiagoTiago | good luck |
| 03:08.01 | Macer | WELL. seems like setting it to havok did the trick :) |
| 03:08.24 | Macer | nice to see fmms is working. wonder how long it will be before one can send video |
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| 03:11.26 | SpeedEvil | fmms will send video. |
| 03:11.38 | SpeedEvil | 25 mmss/second can be expensive though. |
| 03:12.18 | TiagoTiago | what is havoc? |
| 03:15.44 | SpeedEvil | it is one of the connection modes of fmms |
| 03:16.28 | TiagoTiago | oh |
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| 03:25.56 | TiagoTiago | since the touchscreen is capable of pressure sensing, woudl it be possible to have soft press to hover the mouse and hard press for clicking? |
| 03:26.59 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: yes, probably |
| 03:27.05 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: might need to hack the code up a bit |
| 03:27.20 | SpeedEvil | pressure sensitivity is a bit problematic |
| 03:27.25 | TiagoTiago | why? |
| 03:27.57 | SpeedEvil | becasue it's not completely reliable |
| 03:28.07 | TiagoTiago | how so? |
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| 03:38.48 | TiagoTiago | what makes it not completly realiable? |
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| 03:40.00 | SpeedEvil | the hardware output is jittery |
| 03:40.44 | jaem | A friend of mine is using a PNG with a transparent background for a Skype avatar, and the N900's contact shortcut is rendering the background black. |
| 03:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | the physical principles that are used to sense pressure are a bit odd for that purpose |
| 03:41.08 | jaem | Is that something fixable, or do I have to go file a bug and hope Nokia does something? |
| 03:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's not sensing pressure but a mix of contact area and contact resistance |
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| 03:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: what does tell you the transparency isn't working and just showing a black background? |
| 03:43.22 | Macer | SpeedEvil: haha |
| 03:43.37 | Macer | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/07/08/meego-phone-video/ |
| 03:44.21 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: er... I couldn't parse the first bit of that |
| 03:44.28 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Oh, wait. |
| 03:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's just working, but your background is black |
| 03:45.28 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: The default "blue-faced-dummy" avatar has working transparency, so I guess it should work, then. |
| 03:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you have to switch on the light inside N900, to see something thru the transparent parts :-P |
| 03:45.56 | jaem | Ha |
| 03:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | on a more serious note, the question what is your actual background isn't easy to decide |
| 03:47.13 | jaem | How so? |
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| 03:47.30 | Macer | are arm cpus just more expensive in bulk than intel cpus? |
| 03:47.41 | Macer | i'm just curious as to why nokia is swapping over to the intel stuff |
| 03:48.03 | luke-jr | Macer: wtf? |
| 03:48.18 | Macer | wtf |
| 03:48.21 | Macer | ? |
| 03:48.49 | TiagoTiago | it's not jsut detecting the change in measure resistivity? |
| 03:48.52 | Macer | if nokia is looking at meego then i would assume it will be swapping over to an intel mobile atom ? |
| 03:49.14 | timeless | looking at meego? |
| 03:49.16 | luke-jr | Macer: Nokia created MeeGo |
| 03:49.28 | Macer | er. nokia + intel |
| 03:49.29 | luke-jr | which supports ARM |
| 03:49.34 | timeless | maemo+moblin=meego |
| 03:49.58 | luke-jr | AFAIK, MeeGo's creation is purely for marketting purposes |
| 03:50.14 | timeless | yeah, we wanted another chance to get marketting wrong |
| 03:50.15 | Macer | nokia is not working on the arm version |
| 03:50.18 | Macer | they left that to the community |
| 03:50.28 | Macer | and are focusing on the aava build based on the intel cpu |
| 03:50.41 | Macer | and left the n900 side to fend for itself :) |
| 03:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: what you see on screen is the result of multiple layers of elements, each with it's own notion of background |
| 03:51.00 | luke-jr | I would imagine if there's any reason to switch to Intel, it's because they're faster. |
| 03:51.18 | timeless | ponders |
| 03:51.22 | timeless | macer: um |
| 03:51.24 | jaska | and to boost the development of pocket-sized RTGs to power them? |
| 03:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | ther's not *one* background - or THE background |
| 03:51.33 | timeless | i'm pretty sure nokia is paying for people to work on meego for th en900 |
| 03:51.37 | timeless | not as a shipping product |
| 03:51.41 | timeless | but still to do it |
| 03:51.48 | timeless | wouldn't that conut as 'working' on arm? |
| 03:51.53 | Macer | timeless: no |
| 03:52.04 | timeless | most of the team which made the n900 is currently working on harmattan |
| 03:52.07 | Macer | official support for n900 is not there |
| 03:52.20 | timeless | which i suspect is arm based |
| 03:52.32 | timeless | it will also sport some sort of confusing meego branding |
| 03:52.36 | Macer | :) |
| 03:52.43 | jaem | Macer: ARM Support != N900 Support. |
| 03:52.47 | timeless | which means the entire team is "working on meego and arm" |
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| 03:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head, puzzled |
| 03:53.54 | Macer | afaik nokia is going to swap over to intel cpus tho for its smartphones isn't it? |
| 03:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 03:54.14 | ds3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.22 | timeless | macer: please stop fishing |
| 03:54.24 | timeless | it's annoying |
| 03:54.25 | timeless | and rude |
| 03:54.37 | luke-jr | peers |
| 03:54.41 | luke-jr | timeless didn't deny it |
| 03:54.43 | timeless | there's not much of a line between fishing and trolling |
| 03:54.59 | timeless | luke: i deny knowing the future |
| 03:55.01 | Macer | fishing for what? i'm curious if that is the case. |
| 03:55.09 | timeless | i deny trusting anyone who claims to know the future |
| 03:55.18 | timeless | that especially includes anyone who works for nokia |
| 03:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: you're stating random nonsense fo rfacts here |
| 03:55.28 | timeless | they have a sign in the cafeteria predicting the future |
| 03:55.36 | jaem | timeless: O_o |
| 03:55.39 | timeless | the sign also predicts they're wrong |
| 03:55.42 | luke-jr | lol |
| 03:55.43 | jaem | Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling_(fishing) ? |
| 03:55.44 | timeless | should i trust them? |
| 03:55.47 | Macer | http://www.techeye.net/mobile/nokia-to-use-intel-chips |
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| 03:56.22 | timeless | jaem :) |
| 03:56.25 | luke-jr | so speculative gossip |
| 03:56.30 | luke-jr | with no factual basis |
| 03:56.50 | timeless | the channel is for technical help |
| 03:56.56 | timeless | and community buildingi |
| 03:57.00 | timeless | s/gi/g/ |
| 03:57.10 | timeless | asking questions about the future does neither |
| 03:57.37 | luke-jr | I don't care if it's ARM or Intel, but IMO someone should make a chip that can run off solar power :P |
| 03:57.54 | jaem | luke-jr: Possibly a silicon solar cell? |
| 03:57.56 | timeless | personally i'm annoyed that maemo doesn't run on TRS-80s |
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| 03:58.01 | timeless | it's a crimeB! |
| 03:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | and, to be honest, I doubt you were even able to tell the difference between arm and intel, when looking at the sourcecode |
| 03:58.15 | jaem | timeless: I know! Also my watch can't run it. ;) |
| 03:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | so where's the big story? |
| 03:58.35 | timeless | jaem: hrm, i don't even have a watch! |
| 03:58.40 | timeless | nokia should give away those for free! |
| 03:58.47 | timeless | plus sources for the entire hardware stack |
| 03:58.51 | timeless | lifetime support! |
| 03:58.54 | jaem | timeless: heh. I still need to poke at mine. |
| 03:59.01 | timeless | oh, and a car remote |
| 03:59.05 | timeless | oh, and a car! |
| 03:59.15 | timeless | so i can run maemo or meego on it |
| 03:59.25 | timeless | hrm, and pay for a driver's license... |
| 03:59.26 | jaem | It has sources for the hardware (including crypto coprocessor), but the wireless protocol stack(s?) are proprietary. |
| 03:59.42 | timeless | are/is? |
| 03:59.48 | jaem | timeless: sorry? |
| 03:59.52 | timeless | oh |
| 03:59.54 | jaem | oh... yes |
| 03:59.59 | timeless | you weren't sure how many stack(s) |
| 04:00.20 | jaem | timeless: BlueRobin is proprietary, but I can't remember if TI's stack is or not. |
| 04:00.22 | TiagoTiago | Nokia should launch a wrist-videophone running maemo/meego |
| 04:00.34 | jaem | Also there are rumblings of potential support for 6LoWPAN |
| 04:00.37 | Macer | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/intel-and-nokia-team-up-on-mobile-software/ |
| 04:00.45 | Macer | NokTel :) heh |
| 04:01.17 | TiagoTiago | or at least the full opensource Symbian |
| 04:01.23 | timeless | macer: we already ship an intel device iirc |
| 04:01.27 | timeless | it runs Windows 7 |
| 04:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 04:01.51 | timeless | it's the Nokia Booklet 3G |
| 04:01.53 | Macer | timeless: i just thought the name was funny in the nytimes article. i could see that happening. but who would buy whom? |
| 04:02.02 | Macer | timeless: yeah i saw that a while back |
| 04:02.06 | timeless | you could buy a dozen and support my employer |
| 04:02.17 | Macer | i was honestly expecting it to be arm based |
| 04:02.40 | Macer | but it seemed to be just a typical netbook |
| 04:02.52 | jaska | and you cant even add more ram |
| 04:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 04:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | win7 on ARM? where to get ANY software for that? |
| 04:03.21 | timeless | jaska: iirc it didn't even support the nokia internal system requirements |
| 04:03.31 | jaem | Macer: Out of curiousity, what sort of beneficial atypicality were you expecting from an ARM-base netbook? |
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| 04:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | wanders off, shaking head |
| 04:04.02 | Macer | jaem: lower power consumption.. but i guess intel managed to squeeze down the atom |
| 04:04.11 | timeless | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20090603123741_Microsoft_Windows_7_Will_Not_Support_ARM_Microprocessors.html |
| 04:05.04 | Macer | i was expecting nokia to release some 3G modem having beast of an arm netbook running some sort of linux based OS which is high quality |
| 04:05.08 | timeless | http://bsnotebook.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/how-do-you-know-when-politicians-are-lying/ |
| 04:05.14 | Macer | like what the touchbook was supposed to be ;) |
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| 04:05.37 | Macer | nokia is reminding me of when apple ditched the ppc cpu |
| 04:06.42 | timeless | are you too young to remember 68ks? :) |
| 04:07.11 | Macer | well.. i'm 31. but i still think that was a bit before my time |
| 04:07.20 | luke-jr | to me, 68ks are Amiga |
| 04:07.22 | luke-jr | :p |
| 04:07.40 | Macer | luke-jr: get a G5 and run morphOS |
| 04:07.46 | jaska | before your time? im -2 years and i remember 6510 :) |
| 04:08.17 | luke-jr | Macer: no |
| 04:08.21 | Macer | :) i had a sega genesis |
| 04:08.26 | Macer | if that counts |
| 04:08.31 | luke-jr | I had Atari |
| 04:08.34 | luke-jr | so f u |
| 04:08.35 | luke-jr | :p |
| 04:08.42 | Macer | colecovision ftw :-P |
| 04:08.43 | TiagoTiago | I had a 2600 too |
| 04:08.52 | timeless | i'm younger than you and remember them |
| 04:09.05 | Macer | heh. when i was young i went outside instead ;) |
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| 04:09.26 | TiagoTiago | though perhaps because of money issues i might have had older game consoles than the average people of my age |
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| 04:09.59 | Macer | although at one point i did have a vic20 |
| 04:11.42 | Macer | right now luke-jr is probably researching morphOS and realizing how awesome it is haha |
| 04:12.04 | Macer | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/104/299623915_0b69f3023e_o.png |
| 04:12.41 | Macer | i'm still waiting on a hurd based OS :) |
| 04:13.13 | jaem | jaska: I remember the 6502, but that's only because the technical institute I attended for a year used them for ASM classes for some reason. |
| 04:13.28 | jaem | Macer: http://www.archhurd.org/ ? |
| 04:13.45 | jaska | :D |
| 04:14.00 | Macer | jaem: wow. have you tried that? |
| 04:15.12 | jaem | Macer: No. I doubt my video card would have proper driver support. |
| 04:15.22 | Macer | :) |
| 04:15.33 | jaem | I could slap it in a VM, but honestly, I don't care enough about the kernel to bother. |
| 04:16.08 | Macer | i don't know. i think it would be nice to run something good that is non-linux. then again. opensolaris is pretty awesome. |
| 04:17.01 | Macer | there is a hurd debian? |
| 04:17.07 | Macer | whoa. have to check that out :) |
| 04:17.20 | timeless | macer: does this seem on topic? |
| 04:17.57 | jaem | timeless: sorry about bringing that up |
| 04:18.40 | Macer | timeless: could be some day ;) considering openness is part of the nokia PR objective |
| 04:19.03 | jaem | Macer: This just in! Nokia switches to OpenSPARC/FPGA-based phones! |
| 04:19.05 | jaem | -snerk- |
| 04:19.16 | timeless | fwiw, the hurd page on debian.org is out of date |
| 04:19.32 | timeless | it claims the only official debian platform is linux, but that's wrong, http://lwn.net/Articles/266712/ |
| 04:19.38 | Macer | jaem: haha. if any phone ever used a sparc i'd buy stock in the company that did it :) |
| 04:21.29 | jaem | Macer: I was referencing this, for what it's worth => http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further |
| 04:21.34 | jaem | *cough* back on-topic *cough* |
| 04:22.35 | Macer | hahahha |
| 04:24.46 | Macer | jaem: it would be interesting if someone actually did release a "fully open" phone |
| 04:25.03 | jaem | Macer: it would be, but the cost would likely be prohibitive. |
| 04:25.23 | jaem | Also, it would be likely to be of the guts-on-a-dev-board variety. |
| 04:25.25 | Macer | i wouldn't think the cost... but more so the production vs profit wouldn't be worth it |
| 04:25.54 | Macer | jaem: well. once the chinese get a hold of something like that it completely loses its value :) |
| 04:26.05 | Macer | and it would also have to have everything that was ever made from scratch and opened |
| 04:26.19 | Macer | greed prevents such a device :) |
| 04:26.42 | Macer | but it is a nice dream |
| 04:29.22 | Macer | hardware gpl is a dream :) |
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| 04:33.03 | jaem | Macer: Point of Interest: some of the big DIY groups are drafting an official Open Hardware Definition |
| 04:33.09 | jaem | I'll dig up the link - one sec |
| 04:34.19 | Macer | jaem: heh. either way it goes... for something like a phone you will always end up using something that will be closed by someone else unless someone is just that good where they can make a complete open platform that can be fabricated |
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| 04:35.00 | Macer | don't get me wrong. i would LOVE to see something like that come into existance but realistically.. most of the "open" handsets are closed and the "openness" is just good marketing :) |
| 04:35.46 | jaem | Macer: To a point, yes. However, I'd still take "mostly-open" over the predominent status-quo. |
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| 04:36.33 | Mr_Nobu | huggles pronto <3 |
| 04:36.49 | Macer | i dunno. i always wondered what would happen to the n900 if nokia just threw it out there wide open one day |
| 04:37.05 | pronto | Do I know you? |
| 04:37.15 | jaem | Macer: hmm... that is an interesting thought. |
| 04:37.33 | Macer | i mean everything a dev could ever want completely opened without ip restrictions :) it would sell for $10,000 a phone haha |
| 04:37.53 | jaem | Macer: ...and then no FOSS dev could afford it. :P |
| 04:38.10 | Macer | jaem: haha. they'd already have one ;) |
| 04:38.44 | Macer | but it would be extremely cool to see something like that come into the market.. but honestly it would never happen |
| 04:39.21 | Macer | one day nokia posts everything ever needed to do anything on an n900... sounds like a good sci fi movie :) |
| 04:39.37 | Macer | those jokes about built in light sabres might actually come true heh |
| 04:42.16 | Mr_Nobu | pronto: only fags ban |
| 04:42.18 | Mr_Nobu | pronto loves a big black cock up his rusty bullet hole |
| 04:42.45 | jaem | On a different note... My friend and myself have noticed our phones being stupid slow lately, when running very little - sharply contrasting what it could handle when I first got mine (shortly before launch day). |
| 04:43.11 | Mr_Nobu | omfg pronto you really are a faggot haha |
| 04:43.13 | jaem | Before I go wade through stupidly-long forum threads, has anyone actually found anything wrong in that regard with PR 1.2, or am I just imagining it? |
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| 04:46.29 | Macer | jaem: i can't say i've had aproblem with 1.2 |
| 04:46.41 | spinningcompass | The Maemo SDK virtual image doesn't seem to have Scratchbox in it. :-/ Hmm. |
| 04:47.15 | jaem | spinningcompass: where did you get the image from? |
| 04:47.24 | spinningcompass | jaem: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
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| 04:47.59 | jaem | spinningcompass: What made you think it isn't included? |
| 04:48.41 | spinningcompass | jaem: I ran 'find / | grep scratchbox', followed by 'find / | find sbox', followed by 'find / | grep sb2'. Nothing, except for a file in /etc/init.d that would activate scratchbox if it were present. |
| 04:49.57 | jaem | Macer: Hmm... I don't know what's causing it, but basic operations on my phone take much longer now (with a fresh flash) - especially windowing operations. When I first got the phone (release FW), I'd regularly have >5 browser windows and a bunch of other apps open, with no issue. Lately my phone starts crawling when I run less than I did then. |
| 04:50.09 | timeless | there's one imagine which is a dud |
| 04:50.20 | timeless | but you can install scratchbox :) |
| 04:50.47 | RST38h | moos |
| 04:50.50 | timeless | jaem: you still shouldn't try to have >3 browser windows open |
| 04:50.54 | RST38h | mourning. |
| 04:50.56 | timeless | it's still a bad idea |
| 04:50.57 | luke-jr | Macer: no, I was watching Law and Order |
| 04:51.03 | luke-jr | already know what MorphOS is |
| 04:51.06 | timeless | rst38h: who died? |
| 04:51.15 | Macer | haha |
| 04:51.42 | Macer | jaem: weird. i honestly haven't noticed much of a problem. i was acutally happy that fmms came out of dev |
| 04:51.58 | jaem | Macer: I didn't initially, either. |
| 04:52.02 | luke-jr | Macer: open N900 would involve the FCC |
| 04:52.54 | Macer | luke-jr: he. well. i could understand keeping the part of the radio locked out that would allow you totally screw a phone company over |
| 04:53.04 | Macer | so maybe 99.99% would be good enough :) |
| 04:53.20 | jaem | They my friend, who I had obtained a loaner phone for, commented that his (admittedly quite powerful) ~5 year old PDA seemed snappier. I haven't been having problems to the extent he has, but it certainly is being slow at times. I was curious if X or the Window Manager was having issues, as most of the issues seem to occur with delays in windowing events. |
| 04:53.26 | Macer | but i can see some asshole using an open radio to do something a little nuts |
| 04:53.45 | ds3 | can the back peice of the N900 be purchased by itself? |
| 04:54.08 | timeless | ds3: doubtful |
| 04:54.09 | frals | timeless: the russian contestant in sauna championship |
| 04:54.20 | luke-jr | Macer: you can already get open radios |
| 04:54.21 | timeless | frals: yeah, that was odd |
| 04:54.26 | timeless | it made bbc wn |
| 04:54.42 | luke-jr | Macer: only a couple $k to get the radio needed to make your own GSM tower |
| 04:54.43 | timeless | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/07/world-sauna-championships_n_674582.html |
| 04:54.55 | luke-jr | Macer: soon to be sub-$1000 |
| 04:55.03 | jaem | ds3: I think one of the companies that makes unofficial replacement batteries has an expanded back cover, if you're really desperate. |
| 04:55.04 | Macer | luke-jr: how much is the fcc lic for it? |
| 04:55.05 | Macer | :) |
| 04:55.12 | jaem | Macer: License? What license? :P |
| 04:55.15 | luke-jr | Macer: irrelevant, obviously, we're talking about illegal activity |
| 04:55.35 | Macer | it's illegal to make your own tower? |
| 04:55.50 | spinningcompass | Karmic desktop image claims to contain the Diablo toolchain etc.... but the Intrepid image made the same claim. I'll see. |
| 04:56.03 | luke-jr | it's illegal to broadcast on unlicensed spectrum |
| 04:56.06 | jaem | spinningcompass: Unless they've rebuild the Intrepid image, I can vouch for it. |
| 04:56.14 | Macer | luke-jr: like i said then. :) how much would the lic be? |
| 04:56.16 | jaem | I have no idea about the Karmic image, as I didn't know one existed. |
| 04:56.23 | luke-jr | Macer: highest bidder AFAIK |
| 04:56.27 | ds3 | jaem: I am looking for spare parts so I can get one to drill and modify |
| 04:56.28 | jaem | I suppose I can't just dist-upgrade to it? |
| 04:56.31 | Macer | luke-jr: so millions |
| 04:56.34 | jaem | ds3: Oh? What for? |
| 04:56.45 | luke-jr | Macer: open modem != license to use it however |
| 04:56.48 | ds3 | jaem: I want a way to attach a compass |
| 04:56.49 | jaem | ds3: If you were looking for a spare N810 backplate, I could help you. :P |
| 04:57.07 | ds3 | cpu not fast enough on the 810 |
| 04:57.13 | Proteous | velcro |
| 04:57.38 | ds3 | I need it to not move around the compass can be more accurate |
| 04:58.01 | Proteous | glue |
| 04:58.06 | Macer | ds3: wouldn't the metal in the n810 throw the compass off? |
| 04:58.27 | ds3 | hoping to calibrate it out |
| 04:58.48 | jaem | Macer: ds3 is using an N900 anyway. |
| 04:58.53 | Proteous | don't you need a pretty solid chuck of metal to affect a compass? |
| 04:59.27 | Macer | oh |
| 04:59.43 | Macer | Proteous: my rifle used to throw it off |
| 04:59.57 | Macer | but i guess that might qualify as a "pretty solid chunk of metal" |
| 05:00.19 | Proteous | heh, I'm not sure how much you need |
| 05:00.48 | Proteous | and now our font of compass knolledge just left the channel |
| 05:01.03 | Proteous | s/knolledge/knowledge/ |
| 05:01.04 | luke-jr | do you have a tonal compassâ |
| 05:01.34 | Proteous | is that a compass that uses sound |
| 05:02.30 | luke-jr | no |
| 05:02.34 | Macer | haha |
| 05:03.17 | luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hexadecimal_compass_by_Nystrom.jpg |
| 05:09.18 | luke-jr | ⦠|
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| 05:12.45 | Macer | luke-jr: haha |
| 05:12.51 | Macer | nystrom made a hell of a calculator too ;) |
| 05:12.56 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 05:13.02 | luke-jr | dunno if it used tonal or not tho |
| 05:14.46 | Macer | don't know |
| 05:14.56 | Macer | one of those guys that was way ahead of his time :) |
| 05:15.14 | luke-jr | Macer: yeah, too bad he didn't live in 7î§î§ :p |
| 05:15.21 | luke-jr | at least /I/ would help him |
| 05:15.23 | RST38h | does not take much to divide circle in 16 segments |
| 05:15.29 | luke-jr | RST38h: exactly |
| 05:16.06 | RST38h | now, septadecimal compass would be a feat... |
| 05:16.17 | luke-jr | RST38h: why? that would be difficult to use |
| 05:16.41 | luke-jr | Macer: want to try out my tonal-extended Luxi Mono or Console fonts? :D |
| 05:18.59 | Macer | luke-jr: will the font teach me how to play music? |
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| 05:19.58 | luke-jr | Macer: no, just give you 5 new symbols for music |
| 05:26.02 | Ken-Young | I have never managed to successfully get a route plotted on OVI maps. Apparently one must select "View Route", but I cannot find a button or menu option with that label. DOes anyone know how I can view a route? |
| 05:26.51 | RST38h | ah, the builder is dead for he second day |
| 05:27.29 | luke-jr | Ken-Young: you must search first |
| 05:27.52 | Ken-Young | luke-jr, I did, and my destination is plotted as a blue circle. |
| 05:28.01 | Ken-Young | But no route is plotted. |
| 05:28.42 | luke-jr | now tap the destination label at the top |
| 05:28.53 | luke-jr | it will return to the Get Directions dialog with a View Route button |
| 05:29.10 | RST38h | ...and maemo.org package management UI is one huge clusterfuck =( |
| 05:29.13 | Ken-Young | luke-jr, THanks! That did it. |
| 05:29.17 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 05:30.27 | TiagoTiago | is there a way to remove al the limits (other than the hardware safety limits) fromt he raios on the N900, ignoring rullings by the FCC etc (like for example if you are going to live in a boat in the middle of onowhere where obeying EM emissions law is a not necessary) |
| 05:30.53 | timeless | tiagotiago: you can install any software you like |
| 05:30.57 | timeless | you can write your own os and load it |
| 05:31.05 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 05:31.50 | TiagoTiago | does it ineed any changes in the kernel itself or is it somthing like editing a text file changing a number to a bigger number or somthing? |
| 05:35.09 | luke-jr | timeless: pfft, that's not accurate |
| 05:35.30 | luke-jr | timeless: Nokia refuses to release the specs required to even begin writing your own complete OS for these devices |
| 05:36.01 | luke-jr | not to mention requiring a signed bootloader |
| 05:36.34 | timeless | ppfft |
| 05:36.39 | timeless | it's possible |
| 05:36.45 | timeless | i didn't say it made sense or would be easy |
| 05:36.52 | luke-jr | just about as possible as making your own device from scratch |
| 05:37.29 | timeless | 8/8/10 5:36:13 AM[0x0-0x2fb2fb].com.apple.installerThe domain/default pair of (com.apple.iPhoneSDKInstaller, showAdvancedInstaller) does not exist |
| 05:37.29 | timeless | 8/8/10 5:36:13 AMdefaults[74905] |
| 05:37.31 | timeless | The domain/default pair of (com.apple.iPhoneSDKInstaller, showAdvancedInstaller) does not exist |
| 05:37.34 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
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| 05:41.40 | Macer | luke-jr: we can go on a black ops mission into nokia hq and steal the stuff needed to truly open the n900 |
| 05:41.43 | Macer | you down? |
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| 05:42.12 | luke-jr | Macer: ⦠|
| 05:42.28 | luke-jr | how about you steal it, and I make sense of it? |
| 05:43.08 | luke-jr | and whatever other clauses I need to put in there to avoid being tried as part of your conspiracy |
| 05:43.41 | Macer | haha |
| 05:43.51 | Macer | we can host it using a tor server |
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| 05:53.51 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:54.12 | Ken-Young | Early morn! |
| 05:54.13 | RST38h | moo Sts |
| 05:54.28 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: u-boot thing looked interesting? |
| 05:54.36 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: sure |
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| 05:55.19 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: but it's 7î§î§:î§:3 and time for bed! |
| 05:55.25 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: fair enough |
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| 05:58.10 | TheOneLaw | Looks like the n900 world is sleeping.... |
| 05:58.21 | pronto | oh? |
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| 06:04.07 | TiagoTiago | luke-jr: what's with the chars in the time you wrote there? |
| 06:04.13 | Stskeeps | tonal crap probably |
| 06:04.47 | TiagoTiago | why not use 0123456789abcdef for hex representation like everyone else? |
| 06:09.29 | RST38h | Hehe: http://cryptome.org/dirty-work/spot-spook.htm |
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| 06:22.52 | ds3 | ` |
| 06:27.37 | RST38h | More fun: http://blogs.alternet.org/oleoleolson/2010/08/05/massive-censorship-of-digg-uncovered/ |
| 06:30.52 | RST38h | Almost a parallel universe, of sorts... |
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| 06:38.11 | jacekowski | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100804/ap_on_he_me/us_teens_drown_louisiana |
| 06:40.42 | TiagoTiago | wait, they all didn't knew how to swim? |
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| 06:41.58 | RST38h | That is Darwin at work. |
| 06:42.48 | RST38h | Uncle Chuck has been collecting record harvests lately |
| 06:42.49 | Ken-Young | THe amazing thing is that the parents, who could not swim, sent their kids, who could not swim, into the river to drown tryinh to save another kid. |
| 06:43.52 | RST38h | That poo bystander either got bored of the drama or rightly concluded that more lemmings will follow, unless the original one is back to the shore... |
| 06:43.59 | RST38h | s/poo/poor |
| 06:44.04 | TiagoTiago | perhaps it should be made a law that children need to be taught how to swim, at least at a basic level, enough to not drown when they can't touch the bottom |
| 06:44.38 | Ken-Young | No, let Darwin handle it. THere's no shortage of people. |
| 06:44.40 | RST38h | Yes, right, another law. And make violating it punishable by drowning. |
| 06:44.47 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 06:45.21 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: you might be interested in http://pastebin.com/wnMTX0tya |
| 06:46.12 | TiagoTiago | regarding that digg censorship thing, is there a way to ignore votes by certain members? |
| 06:46.48 | RST38h | no, why? |
| 06:47.06 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: http://pastebin.com/wnMTX0ty , i mean |
| 06:47.09 | TiagoTiago | that way people can overcome the effect of those people gaming the system |
| 06:47.40 | MiXu- | jacekowski: I don't know the details, but sounds like evolution in progress =) |
| 06:47.42 | RST38h | people gaming the system all the time, left and right |
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| 06:48.33 | MiXu- | They could've tried for example throwing in something that floats. |
| 06:48.34 | RST38h | so, it probably makes sense to simply avoid the sites where what you see can be so easily affected by tweakers |
| 06:49.35 | RST38h | (and yes, that includes Amazon book reviews ;)) |
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| 06:56.42 | TiagoTiago | perhaps they could do somthing like analyze which article syou vote up and which you vote down and put more weight to votes of people that agree with you |
| 06:57.18 | RST38h | yes, this sounds more like what Google is doing |
| 06:57.38 | RST38h | But all you will get as result is a bunch of clusters consisting of the similar-minded people |
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| 06:58.27 | RST38h | I.e. your technology will prove what sociologists already know: people are tribal, they will always approve of their chums and spew bile at members of the other tribes |
| 06:59.58 | TiagoTiago | isn't it gonna be "subjective", the cloud of dots changing from each user's point of view? |
| 07:01.37 | RST38h | right |
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| 07:01.55 | RST38h | will depend on each user's dot of a view :) |
| 07:01.57 | TiagoTiago | if enough people you haven't disagreed with vote up on somthing you will see it together with what a smaller amount of people you've agreed with on several ocasions has voted up, so it isn't gonna cut out the mass |
| 07:02.57 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: well, there is no m-shield in qemu |
| 07:03.00 | TiagoTiago | and with the votes of people you've disagreed with having less weight, you will gradually breed your personal crowd |
| 07:03.26 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: but the thing is that it looke like only 1st stage bootloader is signed |
| 07:03.31 | TiagoTiago | but without locking yoruself out from the rest of the world |
| 07:03.32 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: 2nd stage bootloader isn't |
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| 07:18.37 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: at that point in boot process kernel is in control i'd believe |
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| 07:30.07 | TiagoTiago | Would it be easy to have the touchscreen work like a laptop touchpad, with draging jsut moving the mouse cursor and taping working for clicking? |
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| 07:30.18 | TiagoTiago | and tap-draging for draging |
| 07:30.26 | RST38h | done already |
| 07:30.29 | RST38h | speak to VDVsx |
| 07:30.58 | TiagoTiago | is there a tutorial on how to get it like that? |
| 07:31.21 | RST38h | there is a tool for that, it is in extras |
| 07:31.34 | TiagoTiago | WHAT IS IT CALLED? |
| 07:31.41 | TiagoTiago | oops, sorry, bumped on capslock and didn't noticed |
| 07:32.36 | RST38h | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluemaemo |
| 07:32.53 | TiagoTiago | no, i mean for controling the cursor on the device itself |
| 07:33.19 | TermanaN900 | CaPs LoCk - CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL |
| 07:38.52 | TiagoTiago | any thing like that? |
| 07:42.26 | RST38h | I seem to remember that EasyDebian and other generic-linux-desktop-on-Maemo packages simulate mouse like that |
| 07:43.10 | RST38h | Based on my experience with FBreader, it will be pretty inaccurate though, due to jitter |
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| 07:43.51 | TiagoTiago | it seems to work like a touch screen with the mouse cursor showing, not like a touchpad |
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| 07:45.36 | TiagoTiago | hm, wait |
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| 07:46.03 | TiagoTiago | perhaps it's half one and half the other, clicking and hovering might be like a touchpad, but the cursor coordinates are absolute, not relative |
| 07:47.13 | RST38h | Whatever you come up with, do try coding and running your great idea on a real N900 |
| 07:47.26 | RST38h | You will soon find out how wrong you have been ;) |
| 07:48.14 | TiagoTiago | ? |
| 07:50.23 | RST38h | Lots of positional noise, as far out as 40-50 pixels. |
| 07:50.40 | RST38h | The pressure reading can be disregarded, it is never correct. |
| 07:50.58 | RST38h | Lots of up/down jitter too |
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| 07:51.24 | TiagoTiago | when showing the cursor in absolute mode it seems reasonably stable |
| 07:51.39 | TiagoTiago | specially when using the stylus |
| 07:52.01 | RST38h | Yes, stylus is a bit better. FIngernails too. |
| 07:52.24 | RST38h | But even there you won;t get the same nice positional data as from a mouse. |
| 07:52.48 | RST38h | Anyways, it makes no sense discussing this topic until you have actually tried working with the touchscreen events. |
| 07:52.54 | TiagoTiago | which is why i'm looking for a touchpad relative motion mode |
| 07:52.57 | crashanddie | well, even crappy mice will have huge amounts of jitter |
| 07:53.08 | crashanddie | plus, smoothing algorithms have made it a lot easier to manager |
| 07:53.38 | crashanddie | I won't say the N900 will be used for manipulating a robot doing brain-surgery any time soon, but you can't just discard it for being "inaccurate" |
| 07:54.07 | TiagoTiago | isntead of mapping 1-1 you could set sensitivity and have the whole 800x480 map to a motion of just a few dozen pixels |
| 07:54.31 | RST38h | yes, BlueMaemo does that, if I understand correctly |
| 07:54.50 | TiagoTiago | but i'm looking for somthing to control the mouse ont he N900 itself |
| 07:54.58 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: well, that really depends on what you're trying to achieve, but I would recommend having an N900 to play with next to you |
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| 07:56.25 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: theorising about would could and shan't be done is very nice and cool, but in the end, you'll just be running around in circles |
| 07:56.30 | crashanddie | go get a device, and be done with it |
| 07:56.43 | TiagoTiago | i'm confused, or you are |
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| 07:57.11 | crashanddie | I just woke up, so I'm definitely the culprit |
| 07:57.16 | crashanddie | I thought you didn't have one? |
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| 07:58.00 | TiagoTiago | I have one |
| 07:58.07 | crashanddie | ah, my bad then |
| 07:58.32 | TiagoTiago | I'm looking for a way to have the touchscreen work like a touchpad, for the N900 itself, not another machine via bluetooth |
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| 08:01.54 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: email address? |
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| 08:02.28 | frals | hmm |
| 08:02.35 | frals | ffmpeg in repos got h263 disabled :< |
| 08:03.37 | TiagoTiago | ok, mouse control in easy deb works like a touch screen, not an absolute touchpad |
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| 08:08.54 | crashanddie | anyone got DocScrutinizer's email address? |
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| 09:01.46 | TiagoTiago | is there a way to have some sort of "karma" indicator for developers and individual programs be incorporated into the default app manager? |
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| 09:06.05 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: the app manager's source code is open AFAIK |
| 09:06.13 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: feel free to create a proposal |
| 09:06.58 | achipa | TiagoTiago: submit an enhancement request and get a 'unlikely to be implemented' response |
| 09:07.28 | achipa | you can always do it yourself, but as the HAM is part of the firmware it's always tricky business |
| 09:07.46 | TiagoTiago | what does HAM stands for? |
| 09:07.53 | achipa | not spam |
| 09:08.00 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 09:08.03 | achipa | or, in maemo, Hildon Application Manager |
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| 09:08.11 | TiagoTiago | oh |
| 09:09.23 | achipa | Just to put requests in proportion, we requested adding a themes/wallpapers section in HAM, and even that is not a straight run |
| 09:09.26 | TiagoTiago | it would be nice if the HAM had some sort of plugin architecture so you could modify it's behavior, add funcitonality etc without having to mess witht he firmware itself |
| 09:09.35 | achipa | it would |
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| 09:10.16 | achipa | but the HAM is basically deprecated in it's current form, Harmattan will use something completely different |
| 09:10.40 | achipa | I just hope they calculate in repositories that have thousands of packages, because HAM is not too good at those |
| 09:15.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:15.47 | TiagoTiago | morning |
| 09:16.13 | Jaffa | achipa: How's kisstester going? |
| 09:16.46 | crashanddie | achipa: Sometimes I think we should fork the whole HAM and tell Nokia to go f itself |
| 09:17.03 | achipa | morning |
| 09:17.19 | crashanddie | morning Jaffa |
| 09:17.23 | achipa | Jaffa: well I have a sort-of working version in gitorious, you can (almost) try that |
| 09:18.04 | achipa | the onyl thing that's missing functionally is the actual voting, I didn't want to experiment with that without consulting Bergie/Niels |
| 09:19.22 | achipa | as in, they do some midgard favourite trick there and I'm unsure where to get the URL from |
| 09:19.40 | crashanddie | lcuk: I just found your new vehicle to bring the kids to school |
| 09:19.45 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you might be interested too |
| 09:19.46 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2iNOmPI-0 |
| 09:19.48 | achipa | the REST part is completely useless, it takes 10 minutes until I fetch everything I need |
| 09:20.04 | achipa | so I reverted to scraping, that 'only' takes about 30 sec |
| 09:20.10 | achipa | :( |
| 09:21.55 | crashanddie | achipa: yeah, it's a shame that the servers are so slow on different kinds of requests |
| 09:22.11 | Jaffa | achipa: midgard doesn't seem to be something which encourages fast queries (see, for example, bug 11040). One of the problems with document-oriented DBs |
| 09:22.17 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Nice |
| 09:22.33 | Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11040 - Profile list pages get slower and slower to render |
| 09:22.45 | crashanddie | Jaffa: any news on that one? |
| 09:22.50 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Nope |
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| 09:23.40 | achipa | crashanddie: you need to be really brave to drive something that boxy with serious speeds (brave to drive = US English for foolish) |
| 09:24.11 | achipa | Jaffa: the question is if there is a way to cache it or something |
| 09:24.40 | achipa | Jaffa: even if it's a 10 minute delay, it would still be better that having to wait a minute for the data to load |
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| 09:41.23 | TiagoTiago | do you now of a program to program raw signal for the TV out (like how it was done on the earliest videogames) ? |
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| 09:51.34 | flux | tiagotiago, it isn't really feasible if you don't have a real-time operating system. earliest videogames didn't have an operating system at all, so it wasn't an issue.. |
| 09:52.14 | flux | (and no modern hardware gives you that kind of access anyway) |
| 09:52.17 | TiagoTiago | perhaps you could emulate the signal processor and just out put the resulting image? |
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| 09:53.37 | RST38bis | umgh |
| 09:53.59 | TiagoTiago | output* |
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| 09:56.01 | mello | hi to all, can i ask a question and explain a problem ? |
| 09:56.20 | TiagoTiago | not as good as being able to design the signal itself directly though |
| 09:56.31 | TiagoTiago | mello: i would expect the answer to be "yes" |
| 09:57.08 | mello | ok , so here is the problem |
| 09:57.39 | mello | my n900 is unable to access gsm network ..only 3g works |
| 09:57.48 | mello | i live in italy |
| 09:58.06 | TiagoTiago | is it set to dual mode? |
| 09:58.25 | mello | in dual mode it go to to 3g net |
| 09:58.27 | FIQ | The usb port bork problem, is that fixable? |
| 09:58.41 | FIQ | (somehow my female port disappeared) |
| 09:58.48 | hatake_kakashi | its probably the GSM band used in Italy is not compatible with the available bands on n900 |
| 09:58.48 | SwedeMike | mello: and 2G only doesn't work at all? |
| 09:59.00 | mello | if i force it in gsm ...nothing appen and the sim icon go transparent (dissappear) |
| 09:59.05 | TiagoTiago | try setting it to GSM only mode and see if it find anything |
| 09:59.08 | TiagoTiago | oh |
| 09:59.12 | TiagoTiago | hm |
| 09:59.24 | hatake_kakashi | FIQ, probably on one of the male ports, this was an issue with pre-releases of n900 afaik |
| 09:59.24 | TiagoTiago | i thought the N900 had all the GSM bands in the world |
| 09:59.30 | SwedeMike | TiagoTiago: me too. |
| 09:59.44 | mello | could the problem be that is product code is not italy but ireland ? |
| 10:00.01 | FIQ | Well, the charger port (dunno what you call it) get out and it's just a hole there |
| 10:00.02 | SwedeMike | mello: the N900 should work all across the world. |
| 10:00.04 | TiagoTiago | FIQ: there is a forum thread on talk.maemo.org about that |
| 10:00.12 | hatake_kakashi | no it doesn't.. there's news saying that it doesn't work with Telstra Next-G here which uses GSM band 900MHz I heard |
| 10:00.40 | SwedeMike | well, we use 900MHz here in Sweden and it works fine here. |
| 10:00.49 | SwedeMike | 900Mhz is used for GSM all across europe afaik |
| 10:00.52 | FIQ | Please link me if you want, surfing on a P1i is really slow |
| 10:00.57 | TiagoTiago | perhaps the simcard is 3G only? |
| 10:01.07 | timeless | swedemike: it doesn't |
| 10:01.17 | mello | no in my old phone worked in gsm |
| 10:01.19 | timeless | some networks don't do GSM :) |
| 10:01.22 | SwedeMike | yeah, does the simcard work in another phone for 2G, that's definitely a thing to test. |
| 10:01.26 | hatake_kakashi | or probably different protocol used |
| 10:01.45 | mello | sim card is from my old phone that was only gsm |
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| 10:01.50 | mello | and worked fine |
| 10:02.33 | hatake_kakashi | which old phone? and which model? |
| 10:02.35 | mello | the only "strange" thing i think is the different product code ...could be the source of problems ? |
| 10:02.46 | mello | nokia n6230 |
| 10:02.55 | SwedeMike | well, so far I've been to Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Austria with my N900 and it worked just fine with both 2G and 3G as far as I can tell. |
| 10:02.59 | TiagoTiago | FIQ: the plug breaking off issue was common on pre-release models and a few people also had it happening with store purchased ones, is it still in warranty for you? |
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| 10:04.05 | mello | i know for sure that n900 work in italy with both 3g and gsm |
| 10:04.21 | TiagoTiago | this is one of the threads about the topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&highlight=usb+plug+issues ; there are probably other ones |
| 10:04.42 | TiagoTiago | oops |
| 10:04.46 | TiagoTiago | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107 |
| 10:04.49 | timeless | fwiw, "3G" is both ambiguous and stupid |
| 10:04.55 | TiagoTiago | no need to highlight the stuff |
| 10:05.01 | timeless | especially in the context of GSM |
| 10:05.05 | mello | if i search manually for a 2g net ..it find it but when i try to connect gives me message "no access" |
| 10:05.17 | timeless | when you're talking baout 3G, you mean "a 3G GSM network" |
| 10:05.26 | hatake_kakashi | whoops looks like the stupid next-G is on 850MHz band |
| 10:05.30 | timeless | there are non GSM 3G networks |
| 10:05.35 | timeless | but your phone won't work on those |
| 10:05.51 | timeless | your 3G network *is* GSM |
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| 10:06.17 | FIQ | Thank, tiagotiago |
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| 10:08.28 | mello | another strange thing is that even if product code is ireland ..software installed is the global one (and not the specif for uk/ireland) |
| 10:08.57 | mello | could this be the problem ? |
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| 10:12.43 | mello | someone could tell me if a difference between product code (region) and installed software version disable the access to gsm network ? |
| 10:13.58 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Gitorious link, btw? |
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| 10:20.25 | SwedeMike | timeless: GSM is GSM, and it's 2G (or perhaps 2.5G). UMTS is 3GPP 3G, and I'd say that most of the world 2G and 3G is GSMA/UMTS, and it's perfectly valid to use them as such. |
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| 10:21.14 | TiagoTiago | what about WCDMA? |
| 10:21.22 | timeless | tiagotiago++ |
| 10:21.52 | timeless | 3G/3.5G/4G are generation markers |
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| 10:22.09 | timeless | they do not specify the technology |
| 10:22.17 | timeless | but when you say |
| 10:22.39 | SwedeMike | since the N900 doesn't support anything apart from the GSMA/3GPP stuff, I don't see your objection as valid. |
| 10:22.45 | SwedeMike | it's all a matter of context. |
| 10:22.47 | TiagoTiago | hm, according to Wikipedia, W-CDMA is also known as UMTS-FDD |
| 10:23.07 | TiagoTiago | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/WCDMA |
| 10:23.23 | SwedeMike | the N900 will display 2G for GSM, 2.5G for GSM with EDGE, 3G for UMTS, and 3.5G for HSPA |
| 10:23.35 | SwedeMike | and I think this is perfectly valid to talk about in this context. |
| 10:24.06 | SwedeMike | and trying to besserwisser people into not using that will only cause confusion. |
| 10:24.20 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:24.30 | SwedeMike | yes, it might not be perfectly valid in all parts of the world, but in the context of N900 talk it's perfectly valid. |
| 10:24.39 | MohammadAG | /dev/mtd5 shouldn't affect the N900's NOLO right? |
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| 10:24.49 | timeless | the conversation included a worldwide context somewhere |
| 10:25.06 | TiagoTiago | is the N900 capable of measuring signal intensity/quality for more than one cell tower at once? |
| 10:25.22 | MohammadAG | shouldn't charging be handled by the kernel? |
| 10:25.28 | SwedeMike | timeless: that was me, stating I had travveled and it working in several parts of the world which run things that the N900 supports. |
| 10:25.39 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: yes, but no. |
| 10:25.45 | TiagoTiago | how so? |
| 10:25.48 | timeless | TiagoTiago/Stskeeps: fwiw, the n900 is missing a GSM-3G in the US |
| 10:25.52 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: the hardware is quite capable of it. |
| 10:25.54 | timeless | the 3G band used by AT&T |
| 10:26.01 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: The software in the modem does not allow this. |
| 10:26.12 | timeless | err, s/Stskeeps/SwedeMike/ |
| 10:26.35 | timeless | MohammadAG: the kernel is GPL or something |
| 10:26.46 | SwedeMike | timeless: yes? |
| 10:26.46 | TiagoTiago | is this somthign witht he firmware or a program might be able to bypass the limitation? |
| 10:26.47 | timeless | if you want to keep the code non GPL, then sticking it in the kernel is a bad idea |
| 10:27.16 | timeless | swedemike: one of you wondered about the n900 covering all GSM bands worldwide, just noting that it doesn't |
| 10:27.16 | achipa_afk | Jaffa: errr... http://gitorious.org/kisstester ? |
| 10:27.17 | MohammadAG | timeless, low level charging should be handled by the kernel |
| 10:27.23 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Ta |
| 10:27.23 | MohammadAG | bme doesn't run with the device off afaik |
| 10:27.24 | timeless | shrugs |
| 10:27.37 | timeless | the kernel doesn't run w/ the device off |
| 10:27.52 | SpeedEvil | there is also an 450MHz band. |
| 10:27.59 | MohammadAG | hmm, true |
| 10:28.06 | MohammadAG | but afaik, bme doesn't handle charging at first |
| 10:28.23 | MohammadAG | could be the bq27xx chip |
| 10:29.08 | TiagoTiago | is the code for the modem closed or is there hope for multiple tower stuff to be implemented? |
| 10:29.12 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Is it supposed to build yet, or is it a "run it directly" job atm? |
| 10:29.17 | MohammadAG | TiagoTiago, closed |
| 10:29.23 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 10:29.47 | MohammadAG | you could beg nokia to open it :P |
| 10:29.56 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone with the power kernel installed pastebin me find /sys -name "*current*" |
| 10:30.11 | TiagoTiago | sec |
| 10:30.38 | TiagoTiago | ok, more than a sec :/ |
| 10:30.42 | Stskeeps | actually its probably renesas you have to ask now |
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| 10:31.09 | Stskeeps | nokia sold off/moved their modem division to renesas |
| 10:31.33 | timeless | heh |
| 10:31.41 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Nokia cannot open the firmware and sell it legally in many markets. |
| 10:31.51 | TiagoTiago | why not? |
| 10:31.52 | Stskeeps | (also, good luck with regulatory bodies) |
| 10:32.12 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: In the UK, once it's first used in a criminal act - they have to fix it, or be guilty of mobile phone hacking tool providing offences. |
| 10:32.32 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 10:33.04 | timeless | aren't government regulations grand? |
| 10:33.11 | SpeedEvil | In this case - yes. |
| 10:33.20 | TiagoTiago | "mobile phone hacking tool" sounds like the somthing i wanna buy |
| 10:34.00 | SpeedEvil | If I get to pick between regulation, and someone putting out a tool that lets every 12yo with a phone wipe out calls in a 15km radius, I pick regulation. |
| 10:34.05 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Yay, got it running. Doesn't have a mode (yet) for showing all apps which I've got installed with versions which aren't yet in Extras? |
| 10:34.26 | TiagoTiago | what if they only make the code avaiable via a server in some country where it isn't an issue, and have the page ask "are you legally allowed to read the contents of this page?" before showing the stuff ? |
| 10:34.43 | achipa_afk | Jaffa: that would be the "recently installed", it is not quite appropriately named |
| 10:34.49 | achipa_afk | might be buggy, granted |
| 10:34.54 | timeless | tiagotiago: unlikely to help |
| 10:35.00 | timeless | they do business in the UK |
| 10:35.11 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 10:35.11 | timeless | it's like giving out a hand gun in one country |
| 10:35.20 | TiagoTiago | that sucks |
| 10:35.28 | timeless | and being liable for the use of the hand gun in a certain country |
| 10:35.45 | TiagoTiago | are thee any efforts going on for making a open source alternative? |
| 10:35.47 | timeless | you should read about Crypto Muntions |
| 10:35.55 | timeless | s/Mun/Muni/ |
| 10:35.57 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: The code is signed. |
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| 10:36.09 | TiagoTiago | what does that mean? |
| 10:36.11 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: So you have to forge the signature, which is nontrivial |
| 10:36.24 | TiagoTiago | who checks the signature? |
| 10:36.27 | timeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States |
| 10:36.37 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 10:36.40 | MohammadAG | kernel panic on the N900 |
| 10:36.42 | timeless | the flasher pair on the device side |
| 10:36.46 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Something inside the modem before it accepts the new firmware |
| 10:36.49 | TiagoTiago | Nokia would be importing not exporting it, they are from Finland :) |
| 10:36.50 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 10:37.23 | _trine | is neopwn a big scam |
| 10:37.25 | timeless | basically you'd need to find a way to exploit the validator in the mode |
| 10:37.31 | timeless | or steal a certificate |
| 10:37.35 | TiagoTiago | is the sig checker in the modem crackable? |
| 10:37.42 | timeless | we hope not! |
| 10:37.44 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:37.44 | MohammadAG | crap |
| 10:37.45 | MohammadAG | Sending and flashing rootfs image (173568 kB)... |
| 10:37.45 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.45 | MohammadAG | Write failed after 1048576 bytes |
| 10:37.46 | MohammadAG | usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 10:37.50 | TiagoTiago | why not? |
| 10:37.52 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Possibly. Probably not. |
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| 10:37.59 | trumee | anybody used an A-data sdhc card? i am looking for some recommendations for sdhc |
| 10:38.02 | timeless | well, because we're nokia |
| 10:38.08 | trumee | would like to use it for nitdroid |
| 10:38.23 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Ah, OK - then I'm using less software which needs voting than I thought! :-) |
| 10:38.23 | TiagoTiago | ah, i see |
| 10:38.27 | timeless | and it'd be bad if our device was brickable in a bad way |
| 10:38.45 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Heh, just spotted a character encoding/UTF-8 bug. I love those :-) |
| 10:38.46 | MohammadAG | Hmm, lesson to everyone here, never dd /dev/mtd5 |
| 10:38.50 | SpeedEvil | And worse if the device was usable for advanced hacking/freaking. |
| 10:39.04 | TiagoTiago | officially Nokia can' be for the possibility of people gettign their own modem firmwares running 'cause that would look bad 'cause of that mobile hacking tool law thingyt |
| 10:39.07 | SpeedEvil | (of the phone nets) |
| 10:39.25 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: It can also disrupt emergency calls. |
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| 10:39.36 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Looks very promising. |
| 10:39.43 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: This can actually lead to people getting killed. |
| 10:39.46 | TiagoTiago | I want a phreak machine *pouts* |
| 10:39.52 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: Happy to do some hacking on it too, btw |
| 10:39.55 | timeless | tiagotiago: get a gun and shoot it |
| 10:40.02 | timeless | that'll freak it out |
| 10:40.06 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 10:40.15 | timeless | note: the above is not official advice |
| 10:40.20 | TiagoTiago | sure |
| 10:40.22 | trumee | timeless: i have setup a freeswitch server for testing against Bug 10388. Have given the details to Mikhail (Nokia) and Olivier (Collabora). Hope they make use of it. |
| 10:40.22 | timeless | ... you are not expected to actually act on it |
| 10:40.23 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
| 10:40.25 | timeless | /disclaimer! |
| 10:40.34 | timeless | trumee :) |
| 10:40.44 | TiagoTiago | wasn't necessary, at least when dealing with me |
| 10:40.57 | timeless | tiagotiago: this channel is logged |
| 10:40.58 | trumee | timeless: if only these guys came onto irc, sigh! |
| 10:41.08 | timeless | and i really don't want people to claim i gave out advice like that :( |
| 10:41.28 | TiagoTiago | are people really that sue hapy? |
| 10:41.37 | Jaffa | achipa_afk: s/Recently installed/Software you're using that you haven't voted on yet: you leecher!/? |
| 10:41.38 | timeless | i really don't want to find out :) |
| 10:41.49 | TiagoTiago | they could get the log and clip the non interesting parts out |
| 10:42.19 | TiagoTiago | does pastebin works on the default browser of the N900? |
| 10:42.35 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Many sites work, some that you don't expect. |
| 10:42.37 | timeless | i'm pretty sure i've used pastebin.mozilla.org from it |
| 10:42.46 | timeless | why would pastebin not work? |
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| 10:43.05 | TiagoTiago | i'm trying to load the page to post somthign there and it isn't showing the stuff |
| 10:43.31 | timeless | which pastebin? |
| 10:43.36 | TiagoTiago | .com |
| 10:45.01 | TiagoTiago | the other day i read about this guy that figured out how to trick mobiles into conecting to his own mini tower and he was able to spy on calls, i think it was on defcon |
| 10:45.18 | timeless | yep |
| 10:45.33 | timeless | he set up a tower on a frequency not used/regulated in the USA |
| 10:45.42 | timeless | gave it a name to match something they were configured to look for |
| 10:45.52 | timeless | and ran it w/ a "i don't support encryption" marker |
| 10:45.53 | TiagoTiago | to avoid law enforcement issues |
| 10:46.08 | timeless | some phones said "oh hi there, can i make a call?" |
| 10:46.11 | timeless | it said "sure" |
| 10:46.18 | timeless | more or less |
| 10:46.29 | TiagoTiago | it was in the unregulated ham radio band or somthing |
| 10:46.34 | timeless | yep |
| 10:47.20 | TiagoTiago | it's interesting the unregulated band could be used to hack into people's cell conections |
| 10:47.20 | trumee | is embarrased to ask timeless if he could check nokia internal bug (int-171987) to see whether there is any update. |
| 10:48.50 | timeless | last reference is to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388#c16 |
| 10:48.51 | povbot | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
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| 10:49.27 | trumee | timeless: thanks :) |
| 10:51.35 | MohammadAG | wonders if a 5V USB cable is enough to power the backup menu on the N900 |
| 10:52.49 | timeless | trumee: in other words: the public bug has more current/better info |
| 10:53.03 | timeless | i think you guys have more or less managed to get the engineers into the public. congrats :) |
| 10:53.30 | TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com keeps loading and loading and doesn't work :( |
| 10:54.09 | timeless | ime pastebin.com sucks <period> |
| 10:54.25 | TiagoTiago | ehich one do you recomend? |
| 10:54.44 | TiagoTiago | which* |
| 10:55.36 | timeless | i tend to use pastebin.mozilla.org |
| 10:55.52 | timeless | but you could try pastebin.ca or paste.lisp.org or .. |
| 10:56.09 | timeless | anyway, are you talking about the initial page or the submit result page? |
| 10:56.38 | TiagoTiago | not getting any different result from either |
| 10:56.50 | timeless | hrm |
| 10:57.00 | timeless | i just used pastebin.com from one of my n900s |
| 10:57.09 | TiagoTiago | it's working for you? |
| 10:57.23 | timeless | http://pastebin.com/tBpGZ03H |
| 10:57.52 | timeless | that's from pr1.2 |
| 10:58.33 | timeless | ~typing triggers urlbar; enable javascript; stop other web apps: no |
| 11:03.27 | TiagoTiago | have you seen that proposal for the 9 screens 2D swiping home screens? |
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| 11:04.52 | TiagoTiago | pastebin.com keeps loading and doesn't show the contents :( |
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| 11:11.54 | TiagoTiago | who was asking for find /sys -name "*current*" on power kernel? http://pastebin.com/dCk1m1xf |
| 11:12.27 | timeless | the channel topic points ot irc logs |
| 11:13.25 | MohammadAG | wasn't it SpeedEvil ? |
| 11:13.46 | TiagoTiago | ok, i checked the log, it was |
| 11:13.51 | TiagoTiago | is he still around? |
| 11:13.54 | kerio | SpeedEvil! |
| 11:13.55 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:13.57 | SpeedEvil | oh - yes |
| 11:14.00 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 11:14.36 | TiagoTiago | sorry about the delay, couldn't get pastebin to work on the device itself |
| 11:14.43 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 11:15.07 | MohammadAG | TiagoTiago, ssh ftw |
| 11:15.09 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: hmm. Is there a bq27x00_battery module that you can modprobe? |
| 11:15.18 | SpeedEvil | nvm if ou can't easily find out |
| 11:15.29 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, afaik there is |
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| 11:15.55 | SpeedEvil | yes - I'm just trying to work out the sysnode for the current it reports |
| 11:16.05 | TiagoTiago | actually i copied it from the terminal and sent the contents in an email to myself and then copied it on my desktop and pasted on the site |
| 11:16.28 | TiagoTiago | seems it wasn't the fastest way to do it |
| 11:16.35 | Jaffa | Wow, created my first merge request. |
| 11:17.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:17.13 | TiagoTiago | :) |
| 11:17.18 | SpeedEvil | There is also 'pastebinit' |
| 11:17.23 | SpeedEvil | though I never got that to work |
| 11:17.29 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, "And you will have a directory /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0 containing files: capacity, current_now, temp, voltage_now. |
| 11:17.29 | MohammadAG | " |
| 11:17.42 | SpeedEvil | ah - thanks |
| 11:17.54 | MohammadAG | and afiak, kernel-power uses that |
| 11:17.58 | MohammadAG | (Matan's patch) |
| 11:18.13 | SpeedEvil | it may not be modprobed by default though |
| 11:18.23 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 11:19.27 | MohammadAG | hm, borked my N900 - again |
| 11:19.49 | TiagoTiago | I wonder if i should make myself a t-shirt with a big QR code with the text "Hahah! Made you look!" |
| 11:20.06 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: naah. |
| 11:20.18 | SpeedEvil | A QRcode to a website with just an image of the QRcode |
| 11:20.43 | TiagoTiago | perhaps a link to Rick Astley's infamous video on youtube? |
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| 11:26.56 | SpeedEvil | Okaay. Searching HAM for power. I get 'power kernel updater' and 'power kernel (obsolete please remove this package) |
| 11:27.18 | SpeedEvil | is the kernel updater the package I'm looking for? |
| 11:27.31 | MohammadAG | kernel-power-flasher |
| 11:27.39 | MohammadAG | apt-get install that |
| 11:27.55 | SpeedEvil | I suppose I need to pull fcam first |
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| 11:29.50 | Jaffa | achipa: I've submitted a (one-line) patch to kisstester BTW |
| 11:30.07 | achipa | Jaffa: already merged :) though your git setup is is not yet complete (you show up as "user" in the logs) |
| 11:30.52 | Jaffa | achipa: That's cos I committed it on the N900 and hadn't set it up as you say |
| 11:31.01 | Jaffa | git should stop you doing that |
| 11:31.22 | achipa | Jaffa: no biggie, just saying in case you were not aware :) |
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| 11:32.05 | achipa | I'll go and fix the vote dialog now (it worked but I decided to change it to a mainwindow so we have stacked windows and pushed without realizing that change is only halfway through) |
| 11:32.05 | Jaffa | achipa: Fixed for future |
| 11:32.36 | SpeedEvil | Is this a package in testing as yet? |
| 11:32.54 | achipa | SpeedEvil: it's so not in testing it's not even in devel yet :) |
| 11:33.02 | SpeedEvil | I meant devel |
| 11:33.09 | SpeedEvil | And suspected so |
| 11:33.30 | achipa | I want it to have at least minimum functionality before going to devel |
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| 11:33.38 | SpeedEvil | fair enough. |
| 11:33.39 | achipa | as in that you CAN actually vote |
| 11:33.55 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:34.24 | Jaffa | achipa: Suggest renaming "Recently installed" to "Awaiting votes" |
| 11:34.25 | achipa | also, is there a way to obtain .install files from maemo.org ? |
| 11:34.36 | achipa | I mean for extras-testing stuff ? |
| 11:34.42 | achipa | Jaffa: agreed |
| 11:34.48 | Jaffa | achipa: I think so, but easier to just generate on the fly? |
| 11:34.54 | SpeedEvil | Maybe an initial testing version that can only vote on a test package? |
| 11:35.09 | achipa | SpeedEvil: good idea |
| 11:35.42 | achipa | SpeedEvil: if you're interested you can get it from gitourius |
| 11:35.55 | SpeedEvil | I don't have a toolchain setup on my laptop. |
| 11:35.58 | achipa | SpeedEvil: (for now)... no need to compile, just run |
| 11:36.14 | achipa | you just need pyqt on the N900 and you're good to go |
| 11:36.30 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 11:36.36 | achipa | that's the beauty of python :) |
| 11:36.40 | TiagoTiago | there is a thread on talk.maemo.org with a link to get the fcam stuff that is comptible with the powerkernel |
| 11:36.52 | MohammadAG | recompiled fcam-drivers |
| 11:36.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powerscript - a simple script to show wake events. |
| 11:37.16 | SpeedEvil | And current battery usage. |
| 11:37.43 | SpeedEvil | I'm getting it working with power-kernels battery module too, and then moving on to fixing the rest of the page. |
| 11:38.51 | achipa | Jaffa: note that the progress bar is flaky - don't bother fixing it, I'm doing it completely wrong, just added it so you don't wait half a minute wondering what's going on |
| 11:39.57 | achipa | Jaffa, SpeedEvil : and of course, comments, patches, merge requests welcome :) |
| 11:41.01 | lcuk | achipa, Jaffa (morning!) is kisstester in the repos already? or are you guys hacking from source atm until its stable/comfortable? |
| 11:41.18 | achipa | lcuk: morning (err) ! the latter |
| 11:42.01 | achipa | lcuk: no pushing to extras-devel until we're sure people don't get burned |
| 11:42.05 | lcuk | cool, make sure it can vote on itself when its time! |
| 11:42.22 | achipa | lcuk: heh, it will do that automatically ! (kidding) |
| 11:42.29 | lcuk | :p |
| 11:42.51 | TiagoTiago | seems we need an addiotnal repo, somthing like extra-experimental for things even the developers themselves don't feel confortable with |
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| 11:43.19 | achipa | TiagoTiago: long ago, in a distant land, there was an idea... and it was called PPA :D |
| 11:43.31 | TiagoTiago | what does that stands for? |
| 11:43.34 | lcuk | achipa, ++ |
| 11:44.13 | achipa | TiagoTiago: personal/private package archive, as popularized by Ubuntu launchpad |
| 11:44.44 | TiagoTiago | hm |
| 11:45.02 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, small package repositories from single developers - if you want to track the code and apps a single person/group have been making before they are in official repos you use them |
| 11:45.11 | lcuk | exceedingly good idea |
| 11:45.24 | timeless | shrugs |
| 11:45.27 | timeless | has one for maemo5 |
| 11:45.34 | lcuk | yes you do timeless |
| 11:45.35 | TiagoTiago | i was thinking more about somthing that is centralized like the other extra, but with an additional level of there be dragons |
| 11:45.39 | achipa | but we're beyond that point - OBS will probably change everything anyway |
| 11:45.43 | lcuk | but not everyone has hosting/skills to manage it |
| 11:45.57 | achipa | TiagoTiago: the point is that one dragon is enough at a time, you don't want to unleash all of them simultaneously |
| 11:46.08 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 11:46.37 | lcuk | i see someone else watched "how to train your dragon" |
| 11:46.42 | TiagoTiago | it would be the place for devs to post unstable, WIP etc code, things that are expected to not be usable etc |
| 11:46.58 | lcuk | actually read that line in thick viking/scottish accent |
| 11:47.17 | achipa | lcuk: heh, I just saw the trailer... intend to watch is someday tho :) |
| 11:47.24 | lcuk | its fun |
| 11:48.06 | timeless | it's :( |
| 11:48.36 | achipa | TiagoTiago: yes, that's pretty much the concept behind launchpad with extra stuff like built-in bugtracking, roadmaps and all :) |
| 11:49.01 | TiagoTiago | but would it be just another extra-* repo? |
| 11:49.28 | achipa | TiagoTiago: with a single repo, the problem is interdependent projects |
| 11:49.42 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, it would be a choise to say "ahhh I like achipa's apps and branches and want to have them installed" |
| 11:49.47 | lcuk | choice |
| 11:49.54 | lcuk | goes for coffee and bacon |
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| 11:50.07 | TiagoTiago | that is diferent from a very experimental unstable etc repo |
| 11:50.20 | lcuk | not really |
| 11:50.31 | lcuk | achipas stuff is unstable :P |
| 11:50.41 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 11:50.43 | achipa | lcuk: pfft :D |
| 11:51.06 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, having everything in one repo makes it hard to differentiate |
| 11:51.12 | achipa | lcuk: unstable is the wrong word. It would have to work in some way in order to be unstable, right ? :P |
| 11:51.15 | lcuk | just because I want to track some new cool app |
| 11:51.20 | TiagoTiago | differentiate what? |
| 11:51.24 | lcuk | does not mean I want to update all the instable ones |
| 11:51.36 | lcuk | nor manage which I update on an app by app level |
| 11:51.43 | lcuk | u |
| 11:51.48 | achipa | TiagoTiago: I want always the latest mplayer, but not ukeyboard |
| 11:51.59 | achipa | TiagoTiago: and I don't want always to upgrade one by one - as lcuk says |
| 11:52.03 | TiagoTiago | i think we are talking about two different concepts |
| 11:52.25 | achipa | TiagoTiago: yes, but the PPA is far more often what people are after |
| 11:52.41 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, if ppa were implemented, -devel would revert to being as you say |
| 11:52.43 | achipa | (the experimental repo means something else, even in Debian) |
| 11:53.15 | TiagoTiago | what does it mena? |
| 11:55.45 | achipa | TiagoTiago: experimental is (almost) literally just a dump, there is little to no requirement to fullfill dependencies, and it is not a full repo (i.e. you don't always go through it to get to unstable) |
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| 11:56.23 | johnsq | Hi |
| 11:58.00 | TiagoTiago | hm |
| 11:58.46 | TiagoTiago | heççp |
| 11:59.01 | TiagoTiago | hello* |
| 11:59.27 | achipa | goes off to fix the vote dialog (finally) |
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| 12:05.27 | Corsac | hmhm, is n900 requesting usb chargers to be smarts? (I tried using a car charger/usb-adapter and it didn't charge) |
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| 12:05.56 | lcuk | morning wazd \o |
| 12:06.07 | ShadowJK | d+/d- shorted |
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| 12:06.34 | wazd | lcuk: greetings from Mordor :D |
| 12:06.45 | wazd | hello all :) |
| 12:06.46 | lcuk | ghaha |
| 12:07.31 | wazd | Sauron's kingdom looks pathetic next to Moscow :D |
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| 12:10.39 | BluesLee | can someone help out with skype viedo call? |
| 12:11.13 | BluesLee | i dont see an option to do a video call, only "skype call" |
| 12:12.29 | Corsac | ShadowJK: so that means âsmartâ? :) |
| 12:12.35 | ShadowJK | not really |
| 12:12.36 | Corsac | ShadowJK: I mean, random usb-adapter won't work |
| 12:12.50 | ShadowJK | it's how dumb chargers should identify themselves as dumb charger |
| 12:13.15 | TiagoTiago | try rebooting |
| 12:14.03 | TiagoTiago | somtimes it shows somtimes it doesn't, if someone enables their video durign the call (or call you with their video already enabled) the phone app will show the option of you starting your own video during the call |
| 12:14.19 | Corsac | I had car chargers, one with standard female A connector, the other with miniB male |
| 12:14.22 | TiagoTiago | i haven't figured out yet what makes the option in the contact only show somtimes |
| 12:14.37 | TiagoTiago | anyway, i'll go lay down for a bit, cya |
| 12:14.48 | Corsac | +2 |
| 12:14.58 | BluesLee | TiagoTiago: thanx |
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| 12:15.28 | TiagoTiago | good luck :) |
| 12:15.29 | BluesLee | TiagoTiago: i saw a similiar hint on talk.maemo.org |
| 12:15.54 | BluesLee | now i deinstalled my pidgin protocols, hehe |
| 12:16.05 | TiagoTiago | anyway, cya |
| 12:16.08 | BluesLee | cya |
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| 12:18.15 | SpeedEvil | Okaay - that's bad - install powerkernel, and vi segfaulted. |
| 12:18.35 | SpeedEvil | I thought it came with non-overclocked settings. |
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| 12:29.08 | kwtm | Corsac: I just started looking at this discussion. Having trouble charging the n900 with car USB charger? I know why. Is that the problem, or should I go back and review earlier records of this discussion? |
| 12:29.27 | kwtm | Oh, ShadowJK already has it under control. :) |
| 12:30.00 | ShadowJK | that was his problem |
| 12:30.38 | kwtm | Agree that it's dumb that you need to short D+ and D- to charge the N900. The whole thing would have been solved by a single 100k (say) resistor, which would have cost Nokia, what, $0.25 to install? duhhh... |
| 12:31.24 | kwtm | Anyway, I plan to buy a short USB extension cable and solder D+ and D- so I don't have to solder either my car chargers or my Nokia USB cable. |
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| 12:33.11 | kwtm | Ideally it would be a small USB adapter that plugs into USB type A plug and accepts also a USB type A plug, but since that adapter would be absolutely useless before I solder the D+/D-, no one would sell such a thing. I guess the USB extension cable would be the next closest thing. |
| 12:34.39 | Corsac | kwtm: basically yeah, I had problem with usb car chargers |
| 12:35.16 | kwtm | Corsac: Just to be clear: it's solved now, right? Or, at least, you know how to solve it? Or should I tell you the answer? |
| 12:35.29 | Jaffa | lbt's OBS plan contains PPAs. And that's for Fremantle, Harmattan and MeeGo |
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| 12:36.26 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: no - the hardware can charge without d+ and d- shorted - it's a software/USB certification thing. |
| 12:36.56 | Corsac | kwtm: well, I know the theory (putting a 100k resistor between D+ and D-), now I'm not sure how to do that (since I don't have any resistor, soldering iron or whatever at hand :) |
| 12:37.13 | kerio | SpeedEvil: can't we hack the n900 so it sucks as much power as it can? |
| 12:37.13 | ShadowJK | kwtm: uh it's not a hardware requirement to have resistor/short there, it's a policy/standards thing |
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| 12:37.49 | SpeedEvil | kerio: it's a several line script. |
| 12:38.02 | kerio | oh noes |
| 12:38.03 | ShadowJK | voltage only and unconnected D could be a PC, and if you pull full power from that you could disable/kill the usb port |
| 12:38.05 | kerio | :P |
| 12:38.33 | ShadowJK | oops, talling ontop of SpeedEvil |
| 12:38.35 | kerio | is a full bme replacement in the works then? |
| 12:38.35 | sebastianha | anyone knows where I can get the sources of the tuxracer and gltron ports to n900 by mikkov? |
| 12:38.41 | SpeedEvil | kerio: yes |
| 12:38.48 | kerio | is it ready? |
| 12:39.03 | kwtm | ShadowJK: I know it's not a hardware requirement. But it would be SOOoooo easy to do! Just in case, you know, Nokia doesn't have any software engineers capable of making the N900 charge even without a data connection. |
| 12:39.06 | ShadowJK | not really |
| 12:39.28 | crashanddie | hmm, sounds like there's a big fire in the area -- just saw a couple dozen firetrucks fly by with sirens and all |
| 12:39.34 | ShadowJK | kwtm, I can make it charge without data connection |
| 12:39.46 | kwtm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.49 | SpeedEvil | No - it needs more work. Donations of hot thai live-in workers to help me with the housework would increase my output on hacking stuff. |
| 12:40.07 | crashanddie | kwtm: erhm... you don't need data connection for charging |
| 12:40.08 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: modern car chargers implement the charger spec |
| 12:40.21 | SpeedEvil | where modern is perhaps 2 years designed |
| 12:40.25 | ShadowJK | kwtm, I have a car charger that complies with USB Charging spec. It works fine with n900 out of thw box |
| 12:40.29 | kerio | SpeedEvil: huh, are you sure that won't *hinder* the development? |
| 12:40.40 | SpeedEvil | kerio: yes. |
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| 12:41.29 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: is "hacking" a euphemism, then? |
| 12:41.51 | kerio | hacker? i hardly know 'er! |
| 12:41.57 | BCMM | this promises to be amusing |
| 12:42.01 | kwtm | ShadowJK: Weren't you the one who sent me the script to allow the N900 to ignore the floating D+/D- inputs? But the casual N900 user shouldn't need to find and run this software in order to use a car charger. |
| 12:42.18 | crashanddie | and they don't |
| 12:42.22 | crashanddie | just use a proper charger |
| 12:42.26 | kerio | the casual n900 user should buy a good car charger |
| 12:42.36 | ShadowJK | kwtm, a car charger should be properly designed in the first place |
| 12:42.36 | kerio | the fucking cheap bastard |
| 12:42.39 | crashanddie | and not wire the USB cable directly to the battery |
| 12:42.59 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: But it charges _really_ fast like that |
| 12:43.01 | kerio | (also, the n900 has no end users) |
| 12:43.15 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: oh yeah, it even goes faster than the car :D |
| 12:43.21 | kwtm | Well, I'm just thinking of the case where I am travelling with the N900 and for some reason lose my charger. Then I go buy a charger locally. That charger may or may not implement the proper spec. |
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| 12:43.48 | crashanddie | kwtm: again, products don't try to tackle every exceptional worst case scenario |
| 12:43.51 | kwtm | So, perhaps my needs/expectations of the N900 are different: I want it to be portable and adaptable so I don't need to bring a whole bunch of peripherals. |
| 12:44.04 | crashanddie | kwtm: if you lose your charger, though. Use a USB cable and your laptop or buy a proper charger |
| 12:44.09 | Corsac | tbh I have to admit I just bought a car charger in a mobile store |
| 12:44.20 | ShadowJK | I'd claim chargers that don't implement usb charging spec are defective :P |
| 12:44.42 | Corsac | so yeah it's not a nokia-certified one, but I assumed it would be a conforming one |
| 12:44.43 | kwtm | This was based on my experience with my Treo650: I was stuck without a charger overseas, so I hit about a dozen electronics stores trying to get a charger for the non-standard port/non-standard battery, with no luck. |
| 12:44.59 | crashanddie | kwtm: I built my own USB-hub-hacked-USB-periperhal-charger that is mounted on my motorbike, so it can't be that hard |
| 12:45.21 | kwtm | I thought, "Boy, if I had a N900, I would be able to just buy a standard microUSB cable and charge it from anywhere!" But I guess such is not the case. |
| 12:45.41 | crashanddie | kwtm: I'm about to stop you from trolling |
| 12:45.53 | kwtm | crashanddie: You're kidding, right? "I was able to do it, so it can't be that hard." I am able to do it, too, but not if I'm travelling and don't have a soldering iron ready. |
| 12:45.54 | ShadowJK | Problem is it's hard to find standards compliant charger ;p |
| 12:46.20 | kwtm | Who's trolling? I think it's valid to expect that the N900 is a portable device to be used when travelling, when one might not have all the resources available from home. |
| 12:46.33 | kwtm | ShadowJK: Agreed. So I think the easiest way to get around this is to |
| 12:46.46 | kwtm | create a USB cable/adapter with D+/D- shorted. |
| 12:47.09 | kwtm | It does mean that you have to carry it around when travelling, so it would be equivalent to |
| 12:47.13 | ShadowJK | Buy a shitload of chargers repeatedly and return the ones that don't work, eventually manufacturers stop making crap ;p |
| 12:47.49 | crashanddie | I'm starting to get really tired of all the whining kids going "OMG, I paid 500 bucks and it doesn't cover the exact specific use case of mine, LOOOOOOSSER" |
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| 12:48.30 | ShadowJK | yeah my car cost 9000 and I can't use the cheap heating oil in it |
| 12:48.31 | ShadowJK | not even diesel! |
| 12:48.35 | kwtm | needing a special adapter (just like the Treo does have a USB adapter available for $25 ... which I couldn't get on short notice while travelling overseasl) |
| 12:48.50 | ShadowJK | I have to use something called petrol |
| 12:48.56 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: omg, sucks |
| 12:49.07 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: return the car! Go whine on #manufacturer! |
| 12:49.57 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: like, what if you happen to be in the middle of africa, and they don't have this proprietary petrol you talk of which your car uses, like, HOW CAN THEY BELIEVE THE CAR IS USABLE IN SUCH CONDITION??? |
| 12:51.00 | ShadowJK | and also they're mixing ethanol or something at manplaces now, and it's hard to tell in advance what you're going to get :/ |
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| 12:51.25 | crashanddie | I don't like the E10 petrol though |
| 12:51.29 | crashanddie | (on a more serious note) |
| 12:51.47 | crashanddie | Apparently it's corrosive with specific engines (my bike has that problem) |
| 12:52.01 | crashanddie | So last time I had to do 20 miles to get normal 95 petrol |
| 12:52.35 | korhojoa | it's the plastic parts that sometimes aren't ethanol resistant |
| 12:53.01 | korhojoa | they can withstand the solvent capability of normal fuel but not ethanol |
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| 12:54.11 | crashanddie | plastic or rubber? |
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| 12:57.05 | V13 | Anyone can help with gtk ? |
| 12:57.19 | lcuk | V13, ask question and perhaps someone will know |
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| 12:57.39 | V13 | i try to add support for portrait mode and I need to relayout my widgets. |
| 12:57.48 | V13 | but I fail miserably... |
| 12:58.24 | SpeedEvil | Isn't 'portrait' mode simply the window being resized to 400*800 not 800*400? |
| 12:58.27 | V13 | I am not destroying the widgets. Instead I try to create some new HBox/VBoxes and put the in there.. |
| 12:58.44 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it's just a flag, yes |
| 12:58.57 | V13 | SpeedEvil: I believe yes, but to have a proper display you have to re-layout the widgets. |
| 12:59.05 | V13 | else the window is ugly. |
| 12:59.10 | V13 | and I fail on re-layout. |
| 12:59.42 | V13 | I'm using python but this should not be the problem. |
| 13:00.03 | V13 | Anyway, the problem seems to be that I cannot change the widgets once they are parented. |
| 13:00.13 | V13 | I tried remove() and add(), but no good |
| 13:00.22 | V13 | I tried reparent()... same... |
| 13:01.08 | lcuk | hmmm v13 |
| 13:01.19 | V13 | If anyone has written any gtk app with portrait mode support, should have faced that.. or I'm doing something very wrong. |
| 13:01.38 | lcuk | wonders why there isnt an orientation flag on a Box widget but thats a different question |
| 13:02.08 | V13 | no need for that.. I've two columns of widgets in landscape and I need to make it one column in portrait., |
| 13:02.21 | V13 | (it's the configuration window) |
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| 13:03.32 | lcuk | v13, screenshots help to explain your thinking :) |
| 13:03.53 | V13 | imagine two columns of options in landscape that don't fit in portrait. |
| 13:03.59 | V13 | so you just create one column with all options |
| 13:04.24 | V13 | it's like: .. and : |
| 13:04.30 | lcuk | sure |
| 13:04.48 | V13 | anyway. that's not the problem. |
| 13:04.53 | V13 | the reparenting thing seems to be |
| 13:05.07 | lcuk | but if I were to go and ask people who *would* know the correct way to deal with this, rather than trying to explain in 2000 lines, one screenshot would do the job |
| 13:05.23 | V13 | ? |
| 13:05.53 | V13 | ok.. here's the question. I've an HBox() and a widget in it. Can I move the widget from this HBox to a newly created VBox() ? |
| 13:06.04 | V13 | (no need to explain more) |
| 13:06.32 | crashanddie | V13: no |
| 13:06.51 | crashanddie | V13: not easily, and you'll end up with memory leaks |
| 13:07.06 | V13 | arg... |
| 13:07.18 | V13 | so I need to create a new set of widget from scratch ? |
| 13:07.19 | crashanddie | V13: just store the widget state, delete hbox and widget, and reinstantiate in vbox |
| 13:07.26 | timeless | ain't gtk awesome? |
| 13:07.30 | V13 | it sucks :) |
| 13:07.39 | timeless | upgrade to html :) |
| 13:07.40 | V13 | that was just the confirmation |
| 13:07.49 | V13 | 1000x thanks crashanddie |
| 13:08.15 | V13 | goes back to the coding cave |
| 13:08.28 | lcuk | gtk can reparent i am sure |
| 13:08.41 | V13 | it can.. but it doesn't work as expected. |
| 13:08.48 | crashanddie | lcuk: and everytime I've tried it, over the past 6 years, it's always buggered me |
| 13:09.08 | lcuk | stop painting a target on your ass then |
| 13:09.24 | crashanddie | oooh, so that's why the dart competition hurt so bad |
| 13:09.42 | crashanddie | I remember an old hack in C where you had to malloc() and memcpy() the widget, then re-parent it |
| 13:09.49 | lbt | Jaffa: quick FYI .... we've installed OBS on new HW at OSU. need to setup projects and get an audit I think |
| 13:09.59 | crashanddie | I doubt that the python libraries support reparenting |
| 13:10.04 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, 'later all |
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| 13:17.35 | lcuk | likes new kylie song |
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| 13:19.22 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.10 | lcuk | hmm |
| 13:20.15 | lcuk | i'll listen |
| 13:20.21 | lcuk | but you just reminded me of heart of glass |
| 13:20.27 | lcuk | and I recall childhood |
| 13:20.34 | SpeedEvil | Heart of glass is great too. |
| 13:20.46 | SpeedEvil | Maria does not however disgrace it - which is surprising. |
| 13:21.09 | lcuk | my mother will be pleased I am listening to crappy songs |
| 13:21.22 | SpeedEvil | wishes ISPs were compelled to provide a 'you have used this much data' API |
| 13:21.41 | SpeedEvil | ponders modern music. |
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| 13:21.59 | SpeedEvil | I think Florence and the machine - My Boy Builds coffins - is one of my current favourites. |
| 13:22.46 | lcuk | shall have to see when Kylie is coming to UK again for concerts |
| 13:22.59 | lcuk | or shall find a way to see her elsewhere |
| 13:23.12 | SpeedEvil | Download mastalker. |
| 13:23.45 | SpeedEvil | P2P coordination of stalking. With scheduling, to ensure a 24*7 watch on likely locations. |
| 13:23.46 | lcuk | twitter exists for that |
| 13:25.20 | ohwhyme | hey SpeedEvil |
| 13:25.35 | ohwhyme | i remember you told me about t-mobiles internet for 20 pounds |
| 13:25.40 | ohwhyme | can you get that anymore? |
| 13:25.48 | ohwhyme | cause i just got my sim card |
| 13:25.59 | SpeedEvil | yes - I think so |
| 13:26.12 | ohwhyme | cant seem to find the deal for 20 pounds for 6 months |
| 13:26.13 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, thanks |
| 13:26.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/ |
| 13:26.35 | SpeedEvil | they hide it. |
| 13:26.38 | SpeedEvil | For some reason. |
| 13:27.11 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: thanks? For anything in particular? /me is confused. |
| 13:27.12 | ohwhyme | thanks man |
| 13:27.19 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, enjoying blondie |
| 13:27.23 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:27.41 | lcuk | the neighbours are too |
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| 13:28.20 | SpeedEvil | was listening to radio 1 - the ibitha set from GrandMaster Flash. Awesome. |
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| 13:28.31 | SpeedEvil | I regret that my sound system only went to 14. |
| 13:28.52 | lcuk | my little speakers are straining, but the high pitched sounds are getting through |
| 13:29.15 | lcuk | goes for chip butties at Carl Winterbottoms |
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| 13:29.54 | SpeedEvil | That reminds me of SirMix-A-Lot. |
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| 13:31.02 | ohwhyme | what speakers do you have? |
| 13:31.17 | lcuk | some labtec ones |
| 13:31.23 | lcuk | is ashamed |
| 13:31.45 | SpeedEvil | is more ashamed. |
| 13:32.05 | SpeedEvil | http://www.radio-now.co.uk/pure_oasis.htm |
| 13:32.14 | SpeedEvil | Which is surprisingly loud, and OK quality. |
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| 13:32.34 | SpeedEvil | I need to hook my speakers up again - but I've mislaid my class D amp board. |
| 13:34.21 | lcuk | once had a party at home |
| 13:34.29 | lcuk | my entire large bedroom window bowed to the music |
| 13:34.47 | lcuk | and cupboard boards fell on peoples heads when we were jumping around |
| 13:34.55 | lcuk | (to jump around) |
| 13:35.22 | lcuk | it was a great party |
| 13:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
| 13:35.28 | lcuk | police came :$ |
| 13:36.12 | b-man | lol |
| 13:36.25 | lcuk | starts on coldplay |
| 13:36.52 | lcuk | viva la vida kicks ass |
| 13:37.00 | lcuk | might make that an intro to something |
| 13:37.23 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 13:37.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, lol @ police part |
| 13:38.04 | lcuk | MohammadAG, yeah they had complaints about the noise from the next street |
| 13:38.28 | lcuk | dave answered the door in his underpants I believe |
| 13:38.31 | MohammadAG | heh, someone called the german police on us while we were in germany |
| 13:38.32 | lcuk | or we managed to hide him |
| 13:38.46 | MohammadAG | they brought a translator with them |
| 13:38.51 | b-man | sounds like it was a crazy party xD |
| 13:38.54 | lcuk | heh |
| 13:39.01 | lcuk | b-man, it was an awesome party |
| 13:39.07 | lcuk | we blew up a stereo |
| 13:39.08 | MohammadAG | us? nope, 10 5800s all on the same song |
| 13:39.12 | b-man | LOL |
| 13:39.17 | lcuk | and happily managed to produce an identical drop in replacement |
| 13:39.21 | lcuk | that was awesome magic |
| 13:39.35 | lcuk | there were gatecrashers too o_O |
| 13:39.37 | MohammadAG | ROFL, how do you blow up a stereo? |
| 13:39.45 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: a bomb? |
| 13:39.48 | b-man | LOL |
| 13:39.58 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, yeah, I should know that |
| 13:40.12 | lcuk | MohammadAG, drastic impedence mismatch on the outputs or beer poured into it |
| 13:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | poor EE |
| 13:40.42 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I'll go with the beer |
| 13:41.44 | lcuk | o_O @ original version of James - Sit Down. |
| 13:41.50 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew7Zkkucos8 |
| 13:42.09 | lcuk | thats awesome I havent heard that before - its very close to the released version |
| 13:42.16 | lcuk | but its just different enough to be cool |
| 13:42.57 | b-man | O_o |
| 13:43.09 | b-man | hmm |
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| 13:44.30 | lcuk | is pleased he put on music today |
| 13:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | buuurrrp, OMFG. How will I make sure nobody installs *#-ena to PR1.0.1 etc? |
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| 13:46.31 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, technically add a dependency (and use it) that reuqires pr1.2? |
| 13:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | seems the pkg needs a RDEPENDS or whatever, to latest |
| 13:47.09 | V13 | IIRC, PR1.2 uses a different repository. |
| 13:47.23 | V13 | So if you upload it and it gets compiled, it will not be installable by PR<1.2 |
| 13:47.24 | V13 | no? |
| 13:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | wonders... |
| 13:47.53 | b-man | i think it depends on what it is |
| 13:48.02 | lcuk | shivers @ song on atm |
| 13:48.04 | V13 | Of course anyone can get the .deb from the site... |
| 13:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's really my first pkg ever, and not vrn a 'real one' |
| 13:48.43 | b-man | some library versions on PR1.3 are the same as PR1.1, some are not |
| 13:48.48 | b-man | **1.2 |
| 13:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | actually it depends on a certain version of dialer and cellmo I'd say |
| 13:49.24 | b-man | hmm |
| 13:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | not even sure about that |
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| 13:50.13 | V13 | DocScrutinizer: Depend on mp-fremantle-generic-pr >= 10.2010.19-1 |
| 13:50.23 | V13 | (perhaps) |
| 13:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | k, thanks mate |
| 13:50.43 | V13 | but that's not 100% effective |
| 13:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but good enough |
| 13:51.04 | frals | preferably depend on the package that got updated? |
| 13:51.05 | b-man | that should work for the most part |
| 13:51.28 | V13 | I'd go with frals' suggestion if you know the package |
| 13:51.40 | b-man | i used that method for kernel-debian-img on my upcoming nitdebian port for the N900 |
| 13:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | rtcom-call-ui, and errr cellmo? |
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| 13:52.14 | frals | is it the modem firmware stuffthingy? |
| 13:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:52.29 | frals | cmtx-firmware might be the one? |
| 13:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | but, on 2nd thought, new rtcom-call-ui won't work with old cellmo |
| 13:53.02 | b-man | (btw, just as a hint: nitdebian is structured very similarly to ubuntu-n8x0 ;P) |
| 13:53.27 | b-man | but this time it will be complete |
| 13:53.53 | b-man | and i'm not releasing it until it's structurally finished |
| 13:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | so if A depends on B depends on C, then A needs to check for B but not for C |
| 13:54.42 | b-man | yeah |
| 13:55.15 | b-man | C should pull in necessary dependencies unless for a special case |
| 13:56.23 | b-man | in which A uses a special feature that C's dependencies don't provide |
| 13:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | starhash-ena "interacts" with rtcom-call-ui, so checking for right version should suffice |
| 13:56.32 | alterego | I feel soooo rough |
| 13:56.39 | alterego | Stag do last night. |
| 13:56.54 | alterego | Drank from 8am until 4.30am |
| 13:57.32 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, You could just make the package description "Dont be a nob - only install on PR1.2 kthxbye" |
| 13:57.51 | b-man | kinda like the kernel-power package |
| 13:57.57 | timeless | err |
| 13:57.57 | TermanaN900 | alterego, you drank so much, time went backwards! :P (kidding) |
| 13:58.04 | timeless | why dont you just set a proper depends? |
| 13:58.12 | frals | TermanaN900, or just set proper depends |
| 13:58.28 | frals | because users dont read the description |
| 13:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: that's what I'm pondering |
| 13:59.03 | TermanaN900 | frals, frankly i think secretly calling them nobs is better than setting proper depends :P |
| 13:59.13 | koala_man | how do I take a photo automatically or from the cli? I tried with a basic gst-launch line, which works but gives a tinted and blurry image |
| 14:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil might be able to help |
| 14:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | seems he knows a few "secret spells" for gstreamer |
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| 14:01.25 | kkal | dear friends. I have betrayed you |
| 14:01.32 | kkal | I have bought an android phone |
| 14:01.55 | MohammadAG | ok? |
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| 14:02.38 | H5wpaO6k4b | i+hacked+into+an+airline's+computer+systems+and+stole+a+huge+bunch+of+frequent+flyer+points+then+traded+them+in+for+merchandise+and+got+a+sony+playstation+2 |
| 14:02.40 | H5wpaO6k4b | MMMMMMMMMMMMM.+Crunchy,+mushy+CATBOX.+The+PEARL+OF+THE+ORIENT.+You+JERK+THAT+SHIT,+HOLMES.+You+JERK+IT+LIKE+YOU'VE+NEVER+JERKED+BEFORE.+For+the+LOVE+OF+CHRIST+AND+BALLS,+JERK+like+the+WORLD+IS+GOING+TO+FUCKING+END. |
| 14:02.42 | H5wpaO6k4b | girl,+you+must+be+rearden+metal+because+i'd+like+to+run+a+train+on+you. |
| 14:02.44 | H5wpaO6k4b | The+night+begins,+so+sets+the+sun,+but+chatting+now+has+just+begun.+T'will+yet+be+hours+ere+I+am+done,+for+I'm+the+chat+world's+favorite+son.+Although+by+day+I+am+made+fun+(they+say+that+I+weigh+nigh+a+ton,+they+say+ten+feet+I+cannot+run),+sour+regrets;+I+have+yet+none.+They+may+laugh+and+they+may+shun,+but+words+cannot+match+my+shotgun;+as+fast+and+far+as+they+may+run,+I'll+pick+them+all+off+one+by+one. |
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| 14:02.45 | p5DqE | Pudge+Picnic+:+chubs+on+chubs+with+flab+to+spare.+"No+condoms!"+yelled,+but+we+don't+care!+Dude's+be+fucken,+dudes+be+fucked,+dudes+be+shittin,+dudes+be+sucked.+Writhing+on+the+concrete+floor,+these+chubs+are+sluts.+They're+obese+whores!+And+gross!+They've+never+taken+baths.+Too+much+chili!+Awful+gas!!! |
| 14:02.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, |
| 14:02.46 | Poka64 | wtf |
| 14:02.46 | MohammadAG | ping |
| 14:02.47 | p5DqE | "Shh,"+Snape+said,+their+mouths+very+close.+He+lifted+his+hand+off+Harry's+erection+and+smoothed+it+over+his+cheek.+It+was+a+breathless+sort+of+moment,+in+a+series+of+moments.+Harry+looked+at+Snape's+face,+enjoying+the+sensual+transformation.+Features+normally+so+severe+softened+by+desire,+flushed,+glistening.+Harry+didn't+have+time+to+wonder+what+Snape+saw+in+his+own+face,+for+Snape+was+kissing+him+again. |
| 14:02.47 | H5wpaO6k4b | i+was+going+through+the+logs+in+my+toilet+today+and+i+found+a+letter.+i+don't+remember+eating+a+letter.+funny+thing+is..+it+was+a+letter+from+my+colon+telling+me+to+eat+less+fiber.+ps:+i'm+shutting+down+until+you+have+sex+with+men.+after+plowing+the+fields+of+the+nearest+12+guys+i+could+find,+my+brother+walks+into+the+room.+he+says,+"haha+jokes+on+you+i+put+that+note+in+your+turd.+you+just+fucked+a+bunch+of+dudes+for |
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| 14:02.49 | RWsCUUObUB47M | When+I+was+little+a+friend+told+me+that+if+you+swallow+chewing+gum+it+stays+in+your+stomach+for+7+years.+After+I+was+married+I+told+my+husband+and+he+laughed+until+he+choked+me+unconscious+and+then+raped+me+viciously+in+every+hole! |
| 14:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you don't start whining about it here now |
| 14:02.50 | p5DqE | A+note+to+the+idiot+who+keeps+sending+me+anonymous+emails+claiming+to+have+"f*cked"+my+mother:+1)+Do+you+really+think+i+don't+have+your+IP+address+and+have+a+relatively+good+idea+of+who+you+are?+2)+Do+you+really+think+I+care+about+your+weird+sexual+fantasies?+3)+Have+you+even+SEEN+my+mother?+HAHAHA+4)+Keep+it+up.+The+messages+are+being+logged,+stored+and+passed+on+to+the+relevant+authorities+and,+of+course,+your+ISP...+5)+I |
| 14:02.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 14:02.53 | Poka64 | :/ |
| 14:02.54 | RWsCUUObUB47M | I+have+always+fantasized+about+being+a+doll.+like+one+of+those+real+dolls,+only+my+owner+doesn't+know+I'm+in+there.+They+think+I'm+just+a+doll,+when+really+I+am+enjoying+everything+that+is+bring+done+to+me.+Having+no+control+of+my+body,+being+dominated+completely,+and+then+being+put+away+when+I'm+not+being+used.+However,+I+know+that+this+is+not+possible+in+the+real+world,+which+saddens+me.+I+however+I'm+sure+there+i |
| 14:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | fuck |
| 14:02.56 | RWsCUUObUB47M | Is+it+politically+correct+on+this+list+to+trash+Microsoft+and+show+destain+for+money?+If+so,+I+must+protest.+Microsoft+is+the+best+thing+that+ever+happened+to+computer+users,+ever.+It+will+never,+never+be+replaced+by+user+unfriendly+software+like+linux+or+TeX.+Never. |
| 14:02.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 14:03.06 | osTHgKiDDDZ | I'm+not+trying+to+brag+or+anything,+but+yeah,+I+smoke+weed.+I+don't+give+a+damn+what+anyone+says+regarding+marijuana+laws.+Go+ahead,+trace+my+ip.+Tell+the+cops+where+I+live,+I+should+be+able+to+put+whatever+i+want+in+my+body,+may+it+be+marijuana,+a+10+year+olds+childs+semi+erect+penis,+or+cocaine.+The+government+doesn't+have+any+right+telling+us+what+is+"ok"+to+consume. |
| 14:03.08 | TermanaN900 | MohammadAG, hes too concerned about the android guy |
| 14:03.08 | osTHgKiDDDZ | The+girl+can+probably+never+be+said+to+truly+enjoy+the+experience+if+she+is+fearful+for+her+life+or+suffering+the+trauma's+of+the+victimization+but+it+still+seems+funny+to+be+that+if+she+is+going+to+be+raped+anyhow+than+she+should+at+least+get+a+good+fuck+out+of+it. |
| 14:03.11 | osTHgKiDDDZ | I'm+not+really+gay,+I+just+act+that+way+to+annoy/creep+out+people. |
| 14:03.13 | osTHgKiDDDZ | Meth+is+the+shortest+word+in+the+English+language+one+can+lisp+while+drunk+and+underage+at+a+gay+bar.+It+can+therefore+be+no+surprise+that+homosexual+males+have+congregated+around+the+substance+since+its+inception.+For+every+meth+mouth,+there+is+an+equal+and+opposite+meth+dick. |
| 14:03.17 | b-man | wtf |
| 14:03.21 | kkal | heh. spam is offtopic :D |
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| 14:03.25 | hiqUiD9DWT | All+the+guys+in+this+IRC+channel+I+hang+out+in+are+really+profane+and+gross.+They+talk+about+child+porn+and+act+racist+a+lot+of+the+time,+and+every+night+before+I+go+to+bed+I+pray+for+God's+forgiveness,+and+for+God+to+forgive+them.+Then+I+remember+I'm+wiccan.+Blessed+be! |
| 14:03.25 | marienz | DocScrutinizer: might want to ban or at least quiet *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/* for a while |
| 14:03.27 | hiqUiD9DWT | fuck+all+this+elexctronic+shit.+Give+me+a+typewriter,+a+pushbutton+telephone,+and+a+bank+of+teletype+machines+with+yellow+paper.+Then+you+could+make+sense+of+this+crap |
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| 14:03.30 | b1Ypznm | I+GOT+SOMETHING+FOR+ALL+U+DAMN+MOMS.+IT+SOMEWHAT+RESEMBLES+THE+PECAN+LOGS+YOU+GET+AT+CHRISTMAS.+THATS+RIGHT+ITS+A+BIG+BLACK+PECKER! |
| 14:03.32 | hiqUiD9DWT | Objectivism+is+nothing+but+selfishness+with+a+philosophical+bumper+sticker+stuck+on+its+ass+that+somehow+purports+to+elevate+it+to+respectability.+Objectivism+will+succeed+as+soon+as+human+nature+is+purged+of+empathy,+sympathy,+love+for+one's+family,+love+for+one's+community,+love+for+humanity+itself.+In+other+words,+never.The+only+people+who+take+this+shit+seriously+are+earnest+but+naive+college+students+with+too+much |
| 14:03.33 | b1Ypznm | I+get+off+on+sticking+my+dick+into+house+hold+appliances.+one+day+i+put+it+in+a+blender,+i+was+really+drunk.+When+i+woke+up+in+the+hospital+my+forskin+was+gone+and+they+had+to+put+in+50++stiches.+Needless+to+say,+i+enjoyed+it+thoroughly. |
| 14:03.35 | b-man | no duh lol |
| 14:03.36 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@gateway*] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 14:03.51 | MohammadAG | works equally well I guess |
| 14:04.11 | TermanaN900 | Anyway as i was about to say before the spamfag came |
| 14:04.14 | frals | fwiw DocScrutinizer, i think its safe to ban irc.wikia.com as most people who arent spambots use freenode web iface |
| 14:04.38 | TermanaN900 | does anyone actually know who that guy is that brought the android phone? |
| 14:04.38 | kkal | DocScrutinizer well I'd disallow unregistered users |
| 14:04.41 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 14:04.58 | kkal | errr I mentioned buying an android phone |
| 14:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | we don't like to +b/q $~a |
| 14:05.13 | TermanaN900 | yes you |
| 14:05.19 | TermanaN900 | does anyone know you? |
| 14:05.21 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 14:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | it has side effects |
| 14:05.24 | kkal | no |
| 14:05.27 | MohammadAG | suggests bitching on #freenode |
| 14:05.29 | kkal | well..... probably not |
| 14:05.31 | MohammadAG | I'm already there :P |
| 14:05.45 | marienz | DocScrutinizer: *!*@gateway* is *probably* a bit more wide than is really necessary (they started spamming through the wikia cgi-irc shortly after we've captcha-protected webchat.freenode.net, which hasn't been spammed with since then) |
| 14:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | yesyesyes |
| 14:06.14 | trumee | so if a phone is overclocked and later reverted to stock kernel. does that invalidate the warranty? |
| 14:06.26 | MohammadAG | marienz, why aren't all webchats captcha-protected? |
| 14:06.50 | kkal | TermanaN900: I've had both the n800 and n810 and not deciding to get the n900 was a difficult decision for me |
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| 14:06.57 | marienz | MohammadAG: because we don't run them |
| 14:07.09 | MohammadAG | makes sense, shut off all APIs |
| 14:07.21 | MohammadAG | oh wait, nvm, IRC doesn't support that |
| 14:07.37 | marienz | MohammadAG: webchats work by the server they run on (most of them) or the browser itself (java-based ones) connecting to us as a regular irc client |
| 14:07.54 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@gateway*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 14:07.57 | marienz | MohammadAG: so unless we implement some kind of irc-level captcha we can't captcha-protect webchats not running on our own infrastructure (like this wikia one) |
| 14:07.57 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 14:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'm going to throttle joins today... |
| 14:08.35 | MohammadAG | marienz, yes I know, we run a private server on our site |
| 14:08.49 | MohammadAG | less users -> less spam though |
| 14:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | will bite our ass on netsplits I bet |
| 14:08.59 | koala_man | is the camera app foss? |
| 14:09.02 | MohammadAG | no |
| 14:09.10 | janmalte | hello together, i'm looking for a way to get more rootfs. There are several ways to do so at the maemo wiki. Could you tell which one is the best? |
| 14:09.11 | MohammadAG | fcam is |
| 14:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | somebody around here good with ircbots? |
| 14:10.35 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, why, what do you want? |
| 14:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | set up a bot on my box, to act upon multiple fast joins from same IP*mask* |
| 14:11.48 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, why dont you just disallow fast joining with the channel mode? |
| 14:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | there's e.g dropegg |
| 14:12.05 | TermanaN900 | unless freenodes stupid ircd doesnt support that channel mode |
| 14:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | as join throttle isn't as configurable as that proprietary solution would be |
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| 14:14.45 | achipa | Jaffa: if you're up to it, I just pushed a ver with a voting dialog that (gasp) actually displays, plus a few tidbits |
| 14:15.03 | trumee | so if a phone is overclocked and later reverted to stock kernel. does that invalidate the warranty? |
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| 14:15.12 | frals | yes |
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| 14:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | coughs and mumbles "told ya it's not yet over.." |
| 14:15.52 | trumee | frals, but if the phone is not fried is that still an issue? |
| 14:16.10 | frals | yes, you still did something to it that voided the warranty... |
| 14:16.18 | achipa | envies people who actually have warranties to worry about |
| 14:16.28 | frals | its not something you can take back :p |
| 14:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell trumee about omap-oc |
| 14:16.33 | niko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.44 | trumee | frals, hmm. how does Nokia know that the phone has been OC |
| 14:17.21 | achipa | frals: if you have a car that has a warranty for 100.000km and you get to 120.000km, does the warranty get unvoided if you drive it 40.000km in reverse ? |
| 14:17.38 | MohammadAG | of course it does |
| 14:17.43 | achipa | or sth to that effect :) |
| 14:17.44 | MohammadAG | duh |
| 14:17.45 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 14:18.11 | frals | achipa: :D |
| 14:18.18 | frals | trumee: dunno, dont care :) |
| 14:18.34 | frals | goes back to sc2 |
| 14:19.02 | alterego | â/lastlog alterego |
| 14:19.20 | alterego | whoops :) |
| 14:19.50 | TermanaN900 | trumee, your answer is yes your warranty is void, but if something happens and your a dishonest person, they probably wont take the time to check and your warranty will stick |
| 14:20.44 | SpeedEvil | Who was asking about gstreamer? |
| 14:21.21 | koala_man | I was asking about capturing an image, because gstreamer didn't white balance or focus |
| 14:21.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:21.35 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea aout how to get gstreamer to do that. |
| 14:21.48 | koala_man | I can post-process white balance, but not focus |
| 14:21.58 | SpeedEvil | you could look at the source of lfocus |
| 14:22.29 | koala_man | I'll give fcam a try |
| 14:22.29 | MohammadAG | or fcamera |
| 14:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | meh, COFFEE, sudo make me C0FFEE |
| 14:22.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, user joerg is not in sudoers, this incident will be reported |
| 14:22.48 | koala_man | is it in any of the repos? |
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| 14:27.24 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ftfH2PoMU |
| 14:27.32 | lcuk | crap wrong chan |
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| 14:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: cheap brazil remake? |
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| 14:30.23 | lcuk | remake of? |
| 14:30.40 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its a followup to the walkin fridge/wardrobe one from last year |
| 14:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | Brazil, the first film a whole country was named alike |
| 14:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | don't tell me you don't know Brazil by Terry Gilliam |
| 14:31.53 | lcuk | i won't tell you then, and just google it |
| 14:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wh2b1eZFUM |
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| 14:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | ok, the trailer is errr humm.... not really representing the mood of the film |
| 14:37.55 | lcuk | lol |
| 14:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | but it should suffice for a "Ohh THAT brazil, sure I've seen that" |
| 14:39.01 | MohammadAG | oh swell |
| 14:39.11 | MohammadAG | I flashed and now modest doesn't show Nokia Messaging |
| 14:39.19 | MohammadAG | damn operator restrictions |
| 14:39.19 | SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest |
| 14:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | GREAT! |
| 14:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | getting rid of Nokia msgs can't be anything particularly bad |
| 14:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | except maybe for Nokians who might be supposed to use it :-D |
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| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: at least brazil has kinda same tubing Heineken got in this ad |
| 14:43.43 | lcuk | ahhh DocScrutinizer its not unheard of |
| 14:43.49 | lcuk | its just beer on call thats fun |
| 14:44.36 | lcuk | i saw a few weeks ago some guys had created a cool robot who would go and pull a selection of beer from the fridge and deliver it to you |
| 14:44.50 | lcuk | used high tech recognition and AI to perform it |
| 14:44.57 | lcuk | Man: laziest of all |
| 14:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 14:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | the effort to build that thing would dwarf the lifelong burden of fetching your beer the traditional way |
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| 14:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | probably even regular service is more effort than delivering beer to a whole army :-P |
| 14:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | so you have to be both lazy and blind/stupid to build such a thing to easy your daily life |
| 14:48.40 | SpeedEvil | Or you have to find it a recreation. |
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| 14:49.10 | SpeedEvil | If building the robot is cheaper recreation than - for exampl e- going out to expensive events - then you can't really count it simply as a cost. |
| 14:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 14:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | but then it's more the mere joy of doing it, rather than the benefit of it fetching your beer - if everything pans out every once in a while |
| 14:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly laziness related |
| 14:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | muses idly about bots stopping their attacks same moment they are quieted in a channel |
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| 14:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | what an asshole anyway... tried to read a few words of his spam. Disgusting and sad |
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| 14:58.12 | trumee | does ps3 six axis controller need a different kernel as well. can that invalidate warranty? |
| 15:00.12 | timeless | i sure hope it doesn't need a new kernel |
| 15:00.22 | timeless | that'd be pretty impressive levels of fail, even for linux |
| 15:00.34 | timeless | ok, wait a sec, i take that back, it'd probably be typical fail |
| 15:00.49 | Termana | Please be a macfag somewhere else |
| 15:00.52 | Termana | :P |
| 15:01.05 | timeless | fwiw,i'm pretty sure that sticking your n900 in the washing machine voids your warranty |
| 15:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | but, tbh, I fear the strings of spam are just a medley of the mails and posts to irc from the infected PCs rather that statements that skiddie made up |
| 15:02.47 | trumee | timeless, ok i am lost on your response. does sixaxis need a separate kernel? |
| 15:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: nope, but starting the program does immediately :-P |
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| 15:03.06 | trumee | and is that an issue with warranty |
| 15:03.24 | timeless | trumee: i dunno |
| 15:03.42 | timeless | the general idea is that doing something risky *can* void your warranty |
| 15:04.01 | timeless | but the vendor can be nice and choose to service your product anyway |
| 15:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | but installing a new kernel isn't per se such risky operation |
| 15:04.15 | timeless | or if it discovers serious damage which had to come from your voiding it |
| 15:04.23 | timeless | well, let's use my washing machine example |
| 15:04.31 | timeless | if i do that and ask them to service my n900 |
| 15:04.41 | timeless | they're likely to laugh at me when they see the water damage |
| 15:05.00 | timeless | it'd be clear that the damage wasn't from proper care, and that i voided it |
| 15:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | and started the washing program, 95°C |
| 15:05.07 | timeless | similarly, if they see that you've burned out the chip |
| 15:05.21 | timeless | then that too wouldn't happen from the warranteed software |
| 15:05.41 | trumee | timeless, i see your point |
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| 15:05.42 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I don't know, I think I learned a thing or two from the spam. "Meth is the shortest word in the english language one can lisp while drunk and underage at a gay bar" |
| 15:05.44 | Termana | and "Microsoft is the best thing that ever happened to computer users, ever." |
| 15:05.55 | Termana | Or... maybe I guess not |
| 15:06.04 | Termana | No, I guess it wasn't that useful |
| 15:06.10 | timeless | heh |
| 15:06.25 | Jaffa | achipa: Pulled newest version, once the "Already installed" button has been hit, and dpkg called lots, no packages get display: "Already installed" shown at the top of the screen (selected) with "Complete QA queue" alongside it, unselected. |
| 15:06.32 | trumee | timeless, i guess that means sixaxis kernel is okay to install :) |
| 15:06.43 | timeless | you won't hear that from me |
| 15:06.47 | timeless | but yeah, i'd probably risk it |
| 15:06.54 | timeless | fwiw, i risked the nokia ipv6 kernel |
| 15:06.58 | timeless | of course, that bricked my n900 |
| 15:06.59 | timeless | .. |
| 15:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 15:07.19 | timeless | and reflashing the kernel left me w/ a broken about dialog |
| 15:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA |
| 15:07.32 | timeless | flashing can be dangerous :) |
| 15:07.54 | Termana | timeless, especially when your arrested |
| 15:08.01 | Termana | you're* |
| 15:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: maybe http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 helps your issue |
| 15:09.16 | Jaffa | achipa: But if I switch to "Complete QA queue", it shows. |
| 15:10.24 | timeless | i don't get an error if i run osso-product-info |
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| 15:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | heh, how about replacing the shaking-hands video by some nice porn, on next starhash-enabler update? Just for fun, and without prior notice :-P |
| 15:11.08 | timeless | um |
| 15:11.16 | timeless | my flash screen has been replaced for ages |
| 15:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, just getting silly |
| 15:11.29 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: And that's why we have 10 day quarantine :-p |
| 15:11.30 | timeless | have you seen my splash? |
| 15:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: no worries, will trigger on 2010-09-24 |
| 15:13.08 | timeless | um |
| 15:13.17 | timeless | does everyone have /etc/osso_software_version? |
| 15:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 15:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | ls: /etc/osso_software_version: No such file or directory |
| 15:14.09 | timeless | osso-product-info|grep VERS |
| 15:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# osso-product-info|grep VERS |
| 15:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='10.2010.19-1' |
| 15:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0' |
| 15:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: (flashscreen) is it >DONT PANIC< ? |
| 15:17.15 | timeless | nope |
| 15:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 15:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 15:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | capslock |
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| 15:18.15 | trumee | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_203' |
| 15:18.27 | timeless | using non global software |
| 15:18.29 | timeless | yuck |
| 15:18.57 | trumee | it is uk firmware |
| 15:19.41 | trumee | there is not much difference between this and global iirc |
| 15:20.06 | trumee | something different about fm frequencies i think |
| 15:20.37 | timeless | the update cycle is worse in non global |
| 15:20.44 | timeless | because of nokia stupidity |
| 15:20.53 | timeless | the regions have the ability to delay updates |
| 15:20.57 | timeless | to ensure "quality" |
| 15:21.35 | Termana | How can you delay updates when you make a global release and the other country firmwares would work anyway? :P |
| 15:22.05 | timeless | termana: 99% of people use OTA updates based on the notifier |
| 15:22.07 | timeless | no notice, no update |
| 15:22.23 | timeless | and the update is based on the meta package, which is distinct per regional release |
| 15:22.46 | timeless | anyone smart enough to replace the region w/ the global image doesn't suffer |
| 15:22.48 | timeless | but isn't typical |
| 15:24.18 | trumee | firmware update is like once in four months. not something which happens everyday so can live with it |
| 15:24.40 | timeless | we're lucky if we do them at 4 month intervals |
| 15:26.57 | trumee | guess PR 1.3 going to take a long time then ;) |
| 15:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | is googling timeless' quote about PR1.3 supposed to be out the latest on 2017(?) |
| 15:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | 2021? |
| 15:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: hope we don't have to call you out on that, -one day- :-D |
| 15:29.49 | timeless | too |
| 15:29.51 | timeless | that'd suck |
| 15:30.06 | timeless | but i didn't say precisely that :) |
| 15:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | "and.. you know... 12 years is a long time. I really can't recall if maybe I was drunk or mentally disordered when and if I said such thing back in 2010" |
| 15:32.34 | Termana | Lucky, we have logs |
| 15:32.49 | SpeedEvil | Termana: Of the state of timelesses intoxication? |
| 15:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 15:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | logs don't even log state of authentication |
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| 15:33.50 | Termana-2 | oh really? they don't? shit! |
| 15:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | QED (that's been me, the line above - for the logs) |
| 15:34.45 | Termana | I just grouped that in to my account |
| 15:34.49 | Termana | :P |
| 15:36.02 | Termana | I wonder if there is a freenode rule about how many nicks you can register/group :P |
| 15:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.36 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, you can't fool me. Logs might be 5 minutes late, but they don't get arranged into a different order :P |
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| 15:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | log.freenode.nickserv [15:30] termana-2 grouped to account termana; |
| 15:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog : Termana-2 oh really? they don't? shit! 18:33 |
| 15:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | guilty, shoot him |
| 15:45.26 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I call fake log. You aren't a freenode ircop - only an ircop would typically have access to logs of when I grouped my nicknames :P |
| 15:45.54 | Termana | wags finger at DocScrutinizer |
| 15:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: try to prove that... 2012 at court :-P |
| 15:47.44 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, 23rd of December is the court date I assume? :P |
| 15:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, depends on timeless' case I guess |
| 15:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 4th of July 2028 |
| 15:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | if we are all still alive then :-D |
| 15:50.18 | V13 | the doomsday is near |
| 15:50.34 | V13 | ls -ltr will be useless |
| 15:50.44 | V13 | total chaos |
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| 15:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | uhh? |
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| 15:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: at least the logs will survive, that's for sure :-D |
| 15:51.57 | V13 | isn't that the end of 32bit unix timestamp ? |
| 15:52.08 | V13 | nonono.. they'll be overwritten :P |
| 15:52.21 | V13 | the time ring-buffer will roll over |
| 15:52.47 | Termana | 23rd of December, 2012 is the the big 2012 doomsday thing - which is why I said that date :P |
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| 15:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | in fact I've seen such amounts of partially valuable data going down the drain by time ringbuffer - it's amazing |
| 15:53.30 | V13 | indeed.. 7 feb 2016 |
| 15:53.45 | V13 | 2106 |
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| 15:54.02 | V13 | but 2038 is the end of the *signed* 32 bit unix timestamp :) |
| 15:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and ponders another coffee |
| 15:54.45 | V13 | what's at december 2012? |
| 15:55.00 | timeless | "too late" :) |
| 15:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | 2012-12 I'd say |
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| 15:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | far away as well |
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| 15:55.55 | V13 | waits for 2038 |
| 15:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | and for sure another month I'd not miss when vanishing into oblivion, here in Germany |
| 15:56.26 | V13 | half of earth's population will fail to wake up because their alarms will have the wrong time.. |
| 15:56.46 | V13 | kitchen timers will fail, making the food burn |
| 15:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | yayaya exactly like y2k - what a lame joke |
| 15:57.23 | V13 | well.. in fact this is not a joke |
| 15:57.34 | V13 | i dare you to set the time of your computer to that date :) |
| 15:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | y2k wasn't as well |
| 15:57.44 | V13 | well.. it was... partially.. |
| 15:58.01 | V13 | it can't be compared with the depletion of IPv4 addresses or the end of the unix timestamp |
| 15:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | well at least ipv4 isn't a thing that gets used up on a regular basis |
| 15:58.50 | V13 | eh? |
| 15:59.02 | lcuk | screw all this, theres a more important set of variables that are due to screw up life as we know it |
| 15:59.16 | lcuk | Doctor Who is near the end of all his regenerations!!!oneone11!!! |
| 15:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | like in "the day the last IPv4 got void" |
| 15:59.35 | V13 | doc: I've lost you |
| 16:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | V13: even if ICAN or whoever doesn't have any more *new* IPv4 to assign, the old ones still continue on to work happily |
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| 16:01.06 | trumee | is it possible to write a script which kills the browser when a sip call comes in |
| 16:01.15 | trumee | and even the media player |
| 16:01.19 | Termana | I fear the worst, I have lost him to - he isn't responding to pings! |
| 16:01.21 | V13 | well.. ICAN will be finished in a year, RIR's will finish in about two years (Except from RIPE which got the extra block already) |
| 16:01.58 | trumee | i am always worried that my browser will eat up the cpu and i will miss the important call |
| 16:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: wtf would you want to do that? better hit the big red button and desintegrate the whole device |
| 16:02.14 | V13 | DocScrutinizer: but what you describe is a concern by itself. First of all, there will be not enough addresses for mobile phones... second, the exchanging of IPv4 address is a headache. The BGP table could grow very large. |
| 16:03.05 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, sip call needs 35% cpu. sometimes there isnt much remaining with browser and media player going |
| 16:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | V13: #1 is moot as GSM is usually over carrier NAT anyway |
| 16:03.27 | trumee | a quick killall browserd will be usefull |
| 16:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | #2 is a mere performance/resouces problem |
| 16:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: man nice |
| 16:04.20 | V13 | DocScrutinizer: It's not a small problem. The size of the BGP table is quite a big concern. |
| 16:04.37 | trumee | do browsers and media player have low priorties on by default? |
| 16:05.01 | trumee | what happens when a youtube video is on and a sip call comes in? |
| 16:05.22 | V13 | anyway, based on the consumption of IPv4 addresses, the need won't be satisfied for a long time after the depletion. |
| 16:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | V13: yep, one day each cisco switch will have to have a mysql database |
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| 16:06.18 | trumee | i will be much happier with a killall command to be triggered when a call comes in |
| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: ever thought about just *testing* it? |
| 16:07.11 | lcuk | don't let empirical testing stop wild ideas :P |
| 16:07.16 | trumee | well said, i will test it |
| 16:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | sure :-P |
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| 16:07.47 | trumee | but is it possible trigger a shell script at all? |
| 16:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | iirc youtube vids stop playback as soon as some other screen is foreground |
| 16:08.14 | V13 | not in my system. |
| 16:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: it's unix, everything is *possible* |
| 16:08.25 | V13 | in fact i've let a video playing music a couple of times |
| 16:08.48 | V13 | oh... unless you're talking for n900 |
| 16:08.49 | trumee | yes, but where should i trigger the script from? |
| 16:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: question is: does it *blend*? Err... make sense |
| 16:09.22 | V13 | trumee: the easiest way is perhaps a python script that listens to dbus messages |
| 16:09.56 | trumee | V13. ah so there is a dbus message on an incomng call |
| 16:10.04 | V13 | yes |
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| 16:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | refuses discussing vapor concepts based on speculative scenarios |
| 16:10.33 | trumee | ok. this is a starting point then. |
| 16:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | no, this is beginning of madness |
| 16:11.00 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, :) |
| 16:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | you're re-implementing dispatcher priorities and scheduling, on a really messed up basis |
| 16:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | or - more colloquial - reinventing the wheel |
| 16:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | if your sip shit doesn't perform then rise prio (aka lower niceness). If this still doesn't help, run it RT-scheduled |
| 16:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | (which btw it probably already is, on maemo) |
| 16:13.29 | V13 | doc: that won't help in case of heavy I/O |
| 16:13.29 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, reality check atm is that sip calls dont work for me. so once sip is stable on N900 i will look into this |
| 16:13.40 | V13 | only memory page locking can save you from this |
| 16:14.15 | V13 | and heavy I/O some times means high memory usage, which is a usual sideffect of the browser |
| 16:14.16 | sECuRE | SIP works for me |
| 16:14.20 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, sip shit! doesnt perform for me at all atm |
| 16:14.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, is Brazil worth watching |
| 16:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | V13: sure, but heavy IO frequently is caused by swapping. I don't think killing a process will cause *less* swapping, at least initially. Au contraire |
| 16:14.29 | lcuk | will go and get dvd from a friends if so |
| 16:14.37 | trumee | sECuRE, Bug #10388 |
| 16:14.38 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
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| 16:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: is one of my favourites |
| 16:14.56 | V13 | doc: killing a process will immediately free the memory if it's KILL and not TERM. |
| 16:15.06 | V13 | without any extra disk IO |
| 16:15.28 | trumee | sECuRE, 5 minutes of call is what i get before it garbles up |
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| 16:16.13 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, then I will |
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| 16:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | V13: sure, but you're not suggesting to SIGKILL several core processes of maemo, to make SIP perform - esp when the problem is wlan related as mentioned in above quoted ticket |
| 16:17.04 | V13 | well.. no I don't. |
| 16:17.37 | V13 | I just said that higher priority will not help on a slow system because of disk IO. |
| 16:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | refuses discussing vapor concepts based on speculative scenarios - once more |
| 16:17.49 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, it is not related to wlan as per I but the jury is out on that one |
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| 16:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | V13: I've stated several times swapperd is borked by concept, as it doesn't inherit priorisation of the swapped process |
| 16:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | but that'sclearly something you need to tackle in kernel (swapper daemon), not by messing around with randomly killing processes |
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| 16:21.37 | V13 | well.. just like in some illnesses, sometimes you need to do this. |
| 16:22.23 | V13 | you can't cure cancer so you kill cells. |
| 16:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | SIGSTOP will completely suffice to stop the process from trigering any further swapping, no need to SIGKILL |
| 16:22.31 | V13 | :P |
| 16:22.44 | V13 | well.. I was curious about that... |
| 16:22.50 | V13 | whether STOP/CONT will do the job |
| 16:23.10 | V13 | if it works then it would be perfect for what trumee wants |
| 16:23.27 | V13 | of course, if the sip application was swapped out, it will still have a delay. |
| 16:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | STOPed processes get no more timeslice, so aren't run anymore, so won't swap anymore |
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| 16:23.56 | V13 | just remebered that STOP can't be ignored |
| 16:24.10 | V13 | so it should work as advertised |
| 16:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | sip probably isn't ever swapped out, should be memfixed |
| 16:24.35 | V13 | i doubt that they memlock the SIP part. |
| 16:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | if it's not, then you're free to patch that |
| 16:24.57 | V13 | well.. yes.. |
| 16:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | easy one |
| 16:25.05 | V13 | I'm also free to rewrite it, write one of my own, etc etc.. |
| 16:25.15 | V13 | hm.. regarding the "easy", I'm not so sure |
| 16:25.21 | V13 | Never done this.. |
| 16:25.34 | V13 | and SIP has a lot of dependencies. |
| 16:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | dsme-tool --help - I guess |
| 16:26.11 | V13 | I don't see a parameter for locking memory. |
| 16:26.22 | V13 | and that's expected.. It would be cruel to memlock the whole process. |
| 16:27.01 | V13 | hm.. rtcamm-call-ui has 32M VM |
| 16:27.27 | V13 | 0kb locked |
| 16:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | V13: actually nope, dsme isn't managing that |
| 16:28.47 | V13 | csd, ohmd, libstartup... those have locked memory |
| 16:29.01 | V13 | bme_RX too |
| 16:29.24 | V13 | mission-control and telepathy-ring. |
| 16:30.00 | V13 | but I've disabled sip ... let me check |
| 16:30.39 | V13 | Nope, sofiasip doesn't have any locked memory |
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| 16:31.29 | V13 | in /usr/lib/telepathy/, only telepathy-ring and telepathy-stream-engine are suid. only those can lock memory |
| 16:32.11 | trumee | telepathy-stream-engine is what kicks in on a sip call |
| 16:32.49 | V13 | trumee when you have a call check /proc/<pid>/status |
| 16:32.58 | V13 | and see VmLck |
| 16:33.14 | V13 | if it is non-zero then it locks pages. |
| 16:33.26 | V13 | however, it may be using the suid bit just to get lower priority |
| 16:34.24 | trumee | VmLck is 0kb |
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| 16:35.37 | V13 | then try what DocScrutinizer said. |
| 16:35.48 | V13 | whenever you receive a call send a SIGSTOP to the browser |
| 16:35.56 | V13 | then , when the call is finished, send a SIGCONT |
| 16:36.45 | trumee | ok, i will try that |
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| 16:46.56 | V13 | is builder ok ? |
| 16:47.30 | V13 | I uploaded a package about an hour ago, it sent an OK mail but it is still not visible in the interface |
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| 16:59.57 | SpeedEvil | v13 - there have been mails that the builder is having issues |
| 17:00.16 | V13 | the last hour ? |
| 17:00.37 | SpeedEvil | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-August/027314.html |
| 17:00.54 | V13 | ho.. |
| 17:00.56 | V13 | ffs |
| 17:01.00 | V13 | thnks for the tip |
| 17:01.25 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 17:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: o/ |
| 17:05.31 | SpeedEvil | ||| (pink, green, blue) (shipped) |
| 17:05.35 | SpeedEvil | (to me) |
| 17:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 17:24.35 | lcuk | i guess today is credit card day, I have so many offers in mailbox that got through spam |
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| 17:28.26 | ShadowJK | remembers a time when it was impossible to get a cc even if you went to the bank and dropped 5kE on their counter as collateral |
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| 17:31.55 | lcuk | ShadowJK, something has changed because suddenly I have about 15 places offering them that normally I wouldn't see |
| 17:32.51 | ShadowJK | Well your government /is/ spamming the banks telling them to lend moar :-) |
| 17:33.05 | lcuk | heh |
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| 17:45.26 | SpeedEvil | About fbreader. I hit a bug - DCC download speeds and ETAs completely broken. |
| 17:45.42 | SpeedEvil | I think this is due to the patches for low power - where would I sumbit bug? |
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| 18:00.43 | lcuk | hey guys |
| 18:00.52 | lcuk | anyone got an n810 to hand thats charged |
| 18:01.05 | lcuk | if so, can you tell me result of "uname -m" |
| 18:01.30 | lcuk | or 8x0 |
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| 18:02.14 | timeless | i have one in a box |
| 18:02.15 | timeless | never used |
| 18:02.25 | timeless | or an n800 that's charged |
| 18:02.47 | lcuk | I sitll have box for my n810 |
| 18:02.50 | lcuk | still |
| 18:03.03 | lcuk | but its been well used |
| 18:03.12 | lcuk | has a little sticker over the light sensor still :) |
| 18:03.24 | ShadowJK | both mine have custom kernel |
| 18:03.45 | lcuk | ShadowJK, the -m is chip model afaik |
| 18:03.49 | lcuk | so shouldn't change |
| 18:04.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: armv6l |
| 18:04.38 | lcuk | Jaffa, ++ great, thanks |
| 18:04.40 | ShadowJK | Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #1 Sun Apr 5 11:12:41 BST 2009 armv6l unknown |
| 18:05.19 | lcuk | <lcuk> uname -m sounds good, hold on I will get it from all 4 places |
| 18:05.20 | lcuk | <lcuk> n900 == armv7l |
| 18:05.20 | lcuk | <lcuk> scratchbox == arm |
| 18:05.20 | lcuk | <lcuk> scratchx86 == i486 |
| 18:05.20 | lcuk | <lcuk> ubuntu == i686 |
| 18:05.20 | lcuk | <luck> and Jaffa just gave n810 == armv6l |
| 18:05.49 | lcuk | ShadowJK, thats normal uname stuff, I was interested in the cpu model underneath |
| 18:06.02 | ShadowJK | amrv6l is there too |
| 18:06.11 | lcuk | nods |
| 18:06.15 | lcuk | \o ta |
| 18:06.21 | lcuk | goes back to batcave |
| 18:06.40 | ShadowJK | my PC would say amd64 |
| 18:06.50 | ShadowJK | i think |
| 18:07.13 | lcuk | yeah ShadowJK i really only needed to try and identify arm |
| 18:07.30 | lcuk | but wanted a sample of potential build environments to see if it was usable |
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| 18:16.43 | nicholas-x | hello :) |
| 18:16.56 | Ken-Young | Hi |
| 18:17.05 | nicholas-x | can someone please help me with my n900? |
| 18:17.21 | nicholas-x | i came from the link on wiki |
| 18:17.36 | Ken-Young | What problem are you having? |
| 18:18.15 | frals | hmm |
| 18:18.18 | frals | nice weather in hel atm |
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| 18:18.41 | frals | either someone is going crazy with a camera or there is a decent frequency of lightnings |
| 18:18.46 | nicholas-x | i always get this message at startup : |
| 18:19.44 | nicholas-x | ALL TELEPHONY FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY CALLS, ARE DISABLED DUE TO A COMMUNICATION ERROR |
| 18:20.22 | nicholas-x | To recover, you might have to reboot the device/ |
| 18:20.28 | Ken-Young | nicholas-x, Are you sure your SIM is good - has it worked in your N900 in the past? |
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| 18:20.51 | nicholas-x | thank you , but yes, |
| 18:20.57 | nicholas-x | it is ok] |
| 18:21.09 | nicholas-x | i get the same on other sim cards |
| 18:21.21 | nicholas-x | and even without them :( |
| 18:21.50 | Ken-Young | Has it worked properly for you in the past? |
| 18:21.58 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 18:22.04 | nicholas-x | no problems |
| 18:22.27 | alterego | Oh wow, MIT opened up a load of course material |
| 18:22.35 | alterego | Lots of cool stuff there .. |
| 18:22.53 | Ken-Young | Does it behave in exactly the same way whether or not a SIM in installed? |
| 18:23.38 | nicholas-x | now.... yes :( |
| 18:23.48 | nicholas-x | is this important that the last time n900 shut down because my baqttery died? |
| 18:24.14 | Ken-Young | I don't know. |
| 18:24.42 | lcuk | nicholas-x, did you try removing the sim and reseating it |
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| 18:24.55 | nicholas-x | thank you for trying to help/ :) can you please tell me where can I ask for help? |
| 18:25.03 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 18:25.03 | V13 | i might sound silly, but: Are you sure that the sim card is properly placed ? |
| 18:25.13 | nicholas-x | 100% |
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| 18:25.15 | nicholas-x | :) |
| 18:25.24 | V13 | do you have another sim ? |
| 18:25.32 | V13 | or another phone |
| 18:25.35 | Ken-Young | Have you inspected the contacts that the SIM card connects to on the phone, to see if there might be dirt or corrosion? |
| 18:25.38 | lcuk | nicholas-x, please remove and reseat the sim |
| 18:25.44 | nicholas-x | yes, i tried the all - the same problem |
| 18:25.51 | alterego | Kind of want to learn chinese |
| 18:25.51 | V13 | does it ask for pin when it startsup ? |
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| 18:26.12 | nicholas-x | I have my pin turned off |
| 18:26.16 | nicholas-x | oh! |
| 18:26.26 | nicholas-x | i remembered 1 detail |
| 18:26.43 | nicholas-x | settings app crashes when it comes to sim - card |
| 18:26.45 | nicholas-x | :( |
| 18:26.53 | V13 | did you put the sim on another phone ? |
| 18:26.59 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 18:27.03 | V13 | did it work ? |
| 18:27.07 | nicholas-x | it works just fine |
| 18:27.12 | nicholas-x | ^) |
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| 18:27.36 | V13 | did you try another sim on n900 ? |
| 18:28.02 | nicholas-x | yes... unfortunately, the problem persists :( |
| 18:28.30 | lcuk | nicholas-x, just to appease us, could you shutdown phone, remove battery and sim, resaet it, and then bootup. after bootup, could you run dmesg and paste the console log somewhere if its still being a problem |
| 18:28.47 | V13 | after trying what Ken-Young said, I suggest a reflash just to be sure that nothing in software was damaged. |
| 18:29.08 | nicholas-x | 1 moment please. thank you guys for trying to help :) |
| 18:29.10 | V13 | lcuk's comment is also a good one :) |
| 18:29.24 | V13 | dmesg could give nice results |
| 18:29.33 | V13 | or trying installing syslogd |
| 18:29.57 | nicholas-x | btw, can you please send me a link with flashing instructions for n00bs ? |
| 18:29.59 | lcuk | v13, its good practice to try and diagnose using tools available without faff |
| 18:30.01 | nicholas-x | i user ubuntu |
| 18:30.04 | nicholas-x | use |
| 18:30.13 | lcuk | nicholas-x, continue reading the wiki you are currently on |
| 18:30.15 | Jaffa | ~flashing |
| 18:30.16 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:30.18 | lcuk | all hte info is on there |
| 18:30.35 | nicholas-x | ok . rebooting.... |
| 18:30.49 | lcuk | not reboot, shutdown, remove etc |
| 18:30.56 | nicholas-x | yes yes |
| 18:30.57 | lcuk | thats important :) |
| 18:31.58 | nicholas-x | thanks :) |
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| 18:33.21 | nicholas-x | btw, now my nokia now increased the bootup time twice |
| 18:34.14 | nicholas-x | oh-oh ! |
| 18:34.42 | nicholas-x | what exactly should i copypaste from dmesg |
| 18:34.50 | V13 | everything |
| 18:34.52 | V13 | if possible |
| 18:35.05 | nicholas-x | ok |
| 18:35.09 | lcuk | i normally do dmesg >file |
| 18:35.26 | lcuk | than use a modern age editor to review |
| 18:35.27 | nicholas-x | please explain to the noob :)] |
| 18:35.38 | V13 | hands a candy to lcuk for his helpfulness |
| 18:35.46 | lcuk | dmesg >/home/user/MyDocs/demesg.logfile |
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| 18:39.46 | nicholas-x | i am so sorry for being a n00b |
| 18:39.51 | nicholas-x | lcuk |
| 18:40.02 | Ken-Young | Everyone was once a n00b |
| 18:40.08 | V13 | or is :) |
| 18:40.15 | nicholas-x | plese , where is the >/home/user/MyDocs/demesg.logfile |
| 18:40.18 | V13 | aren't we all ? |
| 18:40.26 | nicholas-x | i connected nokia |
| 18:40.43 | V13 | nicholas-x: If you typed this command in a terminal then you'll have the file "demesg.logfile" under MyDocs. |
| 18:40.46 | lcuk | MyDocs is the normal location that is shared when you plug in the USB |
| 18:40.52 | nicholas-x | via usb in mass storage mode |
| 18:40.58 | V13 | That's the file you want to share (i.e. copy-paste its contents) |
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| 18:43.18 | nicholas-x | oh |
| 18:43.19 | _llll_ | you can probably upload it onto a pastebin site |
| 18:43.46 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.50 | nicholas-x | command |
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| 18:44.09 | nIzQ | wow. crowded |
| 18:44.57 | nicholas-x | please, guys , how can i copy from x terminal ? |
| 18:45.07 | _llll_ | go to apstebin.ca and click upload file |
| 18:45.09 | V13 | don't try this |
| 18:45.20 | V13 | ( i mean the copy ) |
| 18:45.50 | nicholas-x | i cannot find any dmesg file on my nokia :( |
| 18:45.59 | nicholas-x | i ran dmesg >file |
| 18:46.06 | V13 | do you see other files from the MyDocs folder ? |
| 18:46.45 | _llll_ | type "more file" |
| 18:46.52 | nicholas-x | no. only .documents folder:( |
| 18:46.54 | nicholas-x | ok |
| 18:47.42 | _llll_ | proably need to do "mv file .documents/" before you can upload it |
| 18:47.56 | timeless | MyDocs is sufficient |
| 18:48.09 | timeless | but if you had a usb cable attached, myDocs wouldn't be mounted... |
| 18:48.25 | _llll_ | this .documents stuff confused me endlessly |
| 18:48.32 | nicholas-x | i ran more file |
| 18:48.32 | V13 | me too |
| 18:48.41 | V13 | do you have an sd card instaled ? |
| 18:48.48 | nicholas-x | no |
| 18:48.55 | timeless | MyDocs is the user visible root |
| 18:49.02 | timeless | .documents is your 'Documents' folder inside root |
| 18:49.14 | timeless | unless of course your locale isn't English |
| 18:49.14 | V13 | timeless: yes, but it's not possible to only see .documents |
| 18:49.18 | timeless | in which case it's something else |
| 18:49.24 | timeless | ?? |
| 18:49.25 | _llll_ | except it isnt root in the sense im used to |
| 18:49.30 | timeless | oh forget it |
| 18:49.44 | timeless | goes off to watch Sahara |
| 18:50.21 | nicholas-x | oh, should i do smth. more than check view hidden files in nautilus? |
| 18:50.31 | _llll_ | nautilus?? |
| 18:50.32 | V13 | anyway, run this: dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/dmesg.txt then open a browser from n900 and go to pastebin.ca, then upload the file dmesg.txt |
| 18:50.37 | timeless | um |
| 18:50.38 | _llll_ | you did run this command on your n900, right? |
| 18:50.45 | timeless | try *not* having your n900 connected via a usb cable |
| 18:50.46 | V13 | rofl |
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| 18:50.49 | timeless | things will work a lot better |
| 18:50.54 | timeless | and in the future, pay attention :) |
| 18:51.13 | _llll_ | or is nautilus what ubuntu users call every single graphical program? |
| 18:51.23 | timeless | heh |
| 18:51.33 | timeless | nautilus is explorer |
| 18:51.34 | timeless | roughly |
| 18:51.47 | timeless | but please take your n900 20' away from your computer |
| 18:51.57 | timeless | ensure it has *ZERO* cables attached |
| 18:51.59 | timeless | and follow directions |
| 18:52.01 | nicholas-x | ok |
| 18:52.04 | timeless | the directions are incredibly simple |
| 18:52.06 | nicholas-x | :) |
| 18:52.07 | timeless | as long as you follow them |
| 18:52.13 | timeless | otherwise, you just piss people off |
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| 18:53.40 | nicholas-x | i ran dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/dmesg.txt |
| 18:53.49 | nicholas-x | cannot create |
| 18:53.54 | nicholas-x | noexistent |
| 18:53.57 | nicholas-x | directory |
| 18:54.04 | timeless | grumbles |
| 18:54.05 | V13 | in n900 |
| 18:54.06 | V13 | ? |
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| 18:54.12 | timeless | you don't have any usb cables attached, right? |
| 18:54.13 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 18:54.16 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 18:54.17 | timeless | and you're using the X Terminal on the n900? |
| 18:54.21 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 18:54.26 | nicholas-x | :( |
| 18:54.45 | V13 | ok.. do this: |
| 18:54.51 | V13 | cd ; cd MyDocs |
| 18:54.57 | V13 | in a terminal in your n900 |
| 18:55.03 | timeless | v13: i think using 'mount' might make more sense |
| 18:55.15 | timeless | odds are it isn't mounted, possibly because it's corrupt or something |
| 18:55.16 | V13 | timeless: He'd have to copy-paste :P |
| 18:55.24 | timeless | ah |
| 18:55.24 | ShadowJK | also mydocs isn't same as MyDocs |
| 18:55.25 | timeless | nah |
| 18:55.27 | V13 | timeless: that's what I thought :) |
| 18:55.33 | timeless | mount|grep fat |
| 18:55.37 | timeless | no c+p required |
| 18:55.48 | ShadowJK | typing | though... |
| 18:55.53 | V13 | lol |
| 18:56.01 | nicholas-x | wait.. i've done cd ; cd MyDocs |
| 18:56.01 | timeless | shadowjk: actually, it should be |
| 18:56.10 | V13 | did it produce any errors? |
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| 18:56.14 | nicholas-x | no |
| 18:56.16 | V13 | ok.. |
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| 18:56.20 | nicholas-x | :) |
| 18:56.22 | V13 | type: dmesg > dmesg.txt |
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| 18:56.25 | timeless | oh, hrm, no, MyDocs and below is vfat |
| 18:56.34 | timeless | hence case insensitive |
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| 18:56.47 | V13 | timeless: MyDocs is the mount point.. should be case sensitive |
| 18:56.51 | timeless | yea |
| 18:56.55 | timeless | that was stupid :) |
| 18:56.57 | ShadowJK | timeless, 'MyDocs' directory entry is on ext3 though :) |
| 18:56.57 | nicholas-x | done |
| 18:57.06 | timeless | blames someone from 6 years ago |
| 18:57.18 | V13 | nicholas-x: ok, now open the browser, go to pastebin.ca and upload the dmesg.txt |
| 18:58.01 | ShadowJK | what is this about anyway, why do you want his dmesg? |
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| 18:58.13 | nicholas-x | now i see dmesg ! :) |
| 18:58.20 | nicholas-x | thank you! |
| 18:58.22 | V13 | ShadowJK: he has problems with the sim card that are not related to the sim card itself |
| 18:58.34 | V13 | ShadowJK: see the history |
| 18:58.52 | V13 | yw |
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| 18:59.26 | nicholas-x | http://pastebin.ca/1913398 |
| 19:02.56 | ShadowJK | nothing useful there :/ |
| 19:03.36 | lcuk | agreed nicholas-x ShadowJK, bah |
| 19:03.36 | nicholas-x | ... :( |
| 19:04.02 | V13 | [ 5.992950] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock <-- is this ok ? |
| 19:04.03 | lcuk | it did give the message this bootup didn't it? |
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| 19:04.10 | ShadowJK | how long did you remove battery for? |
| 19:04.24 | nicholas-x | not this messege |
| 19:04.41 | nicholas-x | for 1 minute and |
| 19:04.53 | nicholas-x | also tried for 3 hours |
| 19:04.54 | lcuk | it did not give the "ALL TELEPHONY FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY CALLS, ARE DISABLED DUE TO A COMMUNICATION ERROR" message this time? |
| 19:04.56 | nicholas-x | the same |
| 19:05.07 | nicholas-x | it DID |
| 19:05.17 | nicholas-x | :( |
| 19:05.27 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: what do you mean by "at that point" |
| 19:05.53 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: no idea, but either way, u-boot is interesting to have. |
| 19:06.26 | nicholas-x | should i flash my nokia? |
| 19:06.30 | Stskeeps | http://groups.google.com/group/tmoipv6beta <- cool initiative |
| 19:06.32 | jacekowski | well, nand stuff has to be ported |
| 19:06.33 | frals | i think he should probably install syslog and see if anything interesting gets logged |
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| 19:06.43 | nicholas-x | or bring to the service center |
| 19:06.47 | nicholas-x | ?? |
| 19:06.58 | lcuk | nicholas-x, have you changed the area you live in? |
| 19:06.59 | Stskeeps | nicholas-x: i'd generally bring it to service center when seeing a probem like this |
| 19:07.11 | ShadowJK | too |
| 19:07.13 | lcuk | sounds reasonable Stskeeps |
| 19:07.34 | frals | hmm |
| 19:07.35 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 19:07.38 | nicholas-x | i did not change :( |
| 19:07.41 | jacekowski | crap |
| 19:07.46 | frals | whats the message you get when you downgrade pr1.2 -> pr1.1 or similar? |
| 19:07.50 | frals | ie incompatible cellmo? |
| 19:07.53 | jacekowski | where is that article about n900 keyboard i saw on wiki |
| 19:08.20 | nicholas-x | i cannot connect to ovi suite |
| 19:08.31 | nicholas-x | it does not recognise my n900 |
| 19:09.02 | jacekowski | is it in pc suite mode? |
| 19:09.02 | nicholas-x | that's why i can't downgrade :( |
| 19:09.06 | nicholas-x | yes |
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| 19:10.16 | V13 | nicholas-x I can only suggest a reflash, but before this perhaps you could open a thread in t.m.o or send a mail in maemo-developers. Perhaps you'll get more help from there. If you do so, state that you're new to *nix. |
| 19:10.23 | jacekowski | nicholas-x: what happened? |
| 19:10.41 | jacekowski | nicholas-x: it's just not detected by ovi suite or it's not connecting via usb at all? |
| 19:11.12 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 19:11.26 | nicholas-x | after this problem appeared "ALL TELEPHONY FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY CALLS, ARE DISABLED DUE TO A COMMUNICATION ERROR |
| 19:11.38 | nicholas-x | ovi suite stopped recognising n900 |
| 19:11.51 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 19:11.55 | timeless | what did you do to do that? |
| 19:11.57 | jacekowski | do you have linux on your pc? |
| 19:12.01 | nicholas-x | thank you very much V13 |
| 19:12.03 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 19:12.05 | nicholas-x | ubuntu |
| 19:12.11 | nicholas-x | and windows 7 |
| 19:12.13 | jacekowski | are you running it now? |
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| 19:12.24 | nicholas-x | running ubuntu |
| 19:12.27 | jacekowski | ok |
| 19:12.33 | jacekowski | do you have flasher at hand? |
| 19:12.38 | jacekowski | and have you backed up your data |
| 19:13.05 | nicholas-x | i am sorry i haven't read about flashing yet |
| 19:13.15 | jacekowski | i would try to flash it |
| 19:13.19 | nicholas-x | what is flasher? |
| 19:13.28 | jacekowski | program that does all the flashing |
| 19:13.36 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 19:13.41 | nicholas-x | can you send me a link& |
| 19:13.42 | jacekowski | can you check if gps is working |
| 19:13.45 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 19:13.46 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:13.50 | jacekowski | check if gps is working |
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| 19:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd? |
| 19:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | AT -> OK |
| 19:14.26 | timeless | bug 9391.. |
| 19:14.27 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9391 Cellular access unavaible with "no access" error but works after reboot |
| 19:14.55 | frals | heh, people in helsinki area recommended to stay inside during the storm \o/ |
| 19:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | umm, trivial cellmo segfault or other lockup? |
| 19:15.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, cellmo has loads of failsafes |
| 19:15.18 | timeless | frals: oh really? |
| 19:15.27 | timeless | you mean trying to get killed by going outside isn't a good idea? |
| 19:15.30 | timeless | can't imagine why |
| 19:15.33 | nicholas-x | i think it is ok but as far as i now don't have 3g i cannot establi9sh connection |
| 19:15.40 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: cellmo should restart faulted app and or do full reboot |
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| 19:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 19:15.53 | jacekowski | nicholas-x: check if it can get lock |
| 19:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | *should* is the word |
| 19:16.11 | jacekowski | nicholas-x: it may take a while without internet |
| 19:16.11 | timeless | there's a way for the modem to get truly wedged |
| 19:16.15 | timeless | well a couple of ways |
| 19:16.19 | nicholas-x | sorry how can i check? |
| 19:16.28 | jacekowski | start nokia maps or something |
| 19:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, outside |
| 19:16.50 | timeless | jacekowski: isn't Maep a better test? |
| 19:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 19:17.11 | jacekowski | and see if after couple minutes in open air you will get that red dot come up in top right corner |
| 19:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | gpsjinni |
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| 19:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | still sugesting pnatd |
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| 19:17.49 | nicholas-x | when i start nokia mmaps my gps sign is croosed |
| 19:17.49 | jacekowski | yeah, pnatd is a good idea as well |
| 19:17.51 | jacekowski | ati1 |
| 19:17.54 | nicholas-x | crossed |
| 19:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | at |
| 19:17.58 | jacekowski | ati1 |
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| 19:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | AT<enter> -> OK |
| 19:18.23 | jacekowski | ATI1<enter> |
| 19:18.44 | nicholas-x | <jacekowski> ATI1<enter> is this for me? |
| 19:19.10 | jacekowski | yes |
| 19:19.16 | jacekowski | well, start pnatd |
| 19:19.27 | nicholas-x | <jacekowski> , please what is pnatd |
| 19:19.32 | nicholas-x | ?? |
| 19:19.34 | jacekowski | well, have you tried rebooting first |
| 19:19.42 | jacekowski | a program |
| 19:20.51 | nicholas-x | rebooting... how to tart pnatd? |
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| 19:20.56 | nicholas-x | \start? |
| 19:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | suspects cellmo update might have gone wrong, or for any other reason modem FW may have suffered unrecoverable error. Reflashing the *cellmo* thing might help |
| 19:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: open xterm |
| 19:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | type 'root' |
| 19:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | type 'pnatd' |
| 19:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | type 'ATI1' |
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| 19:22.23 | nicholas-x | ok thank you i'll try this , one moment |
| 19:22.52 | nicholas-x | :( |
| 19:22.57 | nicholas-x | root not found |
| 19:23.22 | nicholas-x | i get an error : root : not found |
| 19:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | no problem |
| 19:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | should work without root |
| 19:24.05 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd will give you no reply |
| 19:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | just type ati1 |
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| 19:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | or ati |
| 19:24.46 | nicholas-x | wait... |
| 19:25.08 | nicholas-x | pipe endpoint allocation : operation not permitted |
| 19:25.10 | nicholas-x | :( |
| 19:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ pnatd |
| 19:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | at |
| 19:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | OK |
| 19:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | ati1 |
| 19:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | 356938030954300 |
| 19:25.23 | jacekowski | sudo gainroot |
| 19:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ id |
| 19:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
| 19:25.49 | jacekowski | ls -la /usr/bin/pnatd |
| 19:25.52 | jacekowski | usr bin? |
| 19:26.03 | jacekowski | does it have suid or something |
| 19:26.13 | jacekowski | my phone is dead at the moment |
| 19:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | it has afaik |
| 19:26.24 | jacekowski | emergency charging |
| 19:26.34 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.44 | nicholas-x | i have this |
| 19:26.47 | jacekowski | after couple hours spent in my pocket with flat battery |
| 19:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# ls -l `which pnatd` |
| 19:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 12676 Aug 27 2009 /usr/bin/pnatd |
| 19:27.13 | jacekowski | hmm, so cellmo is dead |
| 19:27.14 | nicholas-x | ... whar next? please |
| 19:27.28 | jacekowski | download flasher |
| 19:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | reflash cellmo |
| 19:27.29 | nicholas-x | what? |
| 19:27.30 | jacekowski | and fiasco image |
| 19:27.35 | nicholas-x | please |
| 19:27.39 | jacekowski | ~flasher |
| 19:27.40 | infobot | i heard flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 19:27.45 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 19:27.46 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:27.51 | jacekowski | download flasher and fiasco image |
| 19:28.19 | nicholas-x | and then flash ? |
| 19:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | somebody with better knowledge has to walk you thru exact steps to make sure cellmo firmware actually gets flashed |
| 19:29.40 | nicholas-x | can you please explain what cellmo is? |
| 19:29.48 | jacekowski | cellular modem |
| 19:29.53 | jacekowski | rapuyama |
| 19:29.58 | nicholas-x | aha.. |
| 19:29.59 | jacekowski | CMT |
| 19:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | the GSM part |
| 19:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | or "the phone" |
| 19:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | subsystem of your handheld linux computer |
| 19:31.10 | nicholas-x | i live in Ukraine and do not think anyone here can have experience with flashing n900 :( |
| 19:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'd recommend first do a normal rottfs flash, to rule out problems with linux system (if you didn't yet) |
| 19:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs even |
| 19:31.44 | nicholas-x | ok.. thank you.. what command should i run? |
| 19:31.55 | nicholas-x | please? |
| 19:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | see ~flashing |
| 19:31.58 | jacekowski | download flasher |
| 19:32.02 | jacekowski | and fiasco image |
| 19:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | COMBINED image |
| 19:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux |
| 19:32.38 | ColdFyre | anyone used those chinese version of the nokia batteries for the n900?(the 1700-1900mAh) |
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| 19:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but nobody survived to report about the great experience X-P |
| 19:33.22 | jacekowski | ColdFyre: well, these are not really 1700mAh for starters |
| 19:33.31 | nicholas-x | ok... downloadind and installing flasher |
| 19:33.31 | jacekowski | ColdFyre: and may explode |
| 19:33.44 | ColdFyre | *may* |
| 19:33.57 | ShadowJK | ColdFyre, someone opened one up and found a 1000mAh battery cell inside |
| 19:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | even a can of Ravioli *may* explode |
| 19:34.41 | ColdFyre | i'll buy one of them from the US then so i can drive there and mug them |
| 19:34.47 | ColdFyre | if it explodes |
| 19:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | good plan |
| 19:35.34 | nicholas-x | can you please tell me where to download those images? |
| 19:35.46 | ColdFyre | the ineternet |
| 19:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: how to guarantee cellmo is going to get reflashed? |
| 19:36.11 | nicholas-x | <ColdFyre> the ineternet :)))) |
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| 19:36.59 | jacekowski | nicholas-x: read the wiki |
| 19:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: you realized on that wiki page all the orange words are actually links to click on? |
| 19:37.04 | jacekowski | nicholas-x: everything is there |
| 19:37.14 | nicholas-x | ok :) |
| 19:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: also carefully read the WHOLE description of procedure, esp don't miss n 3) |
| 19:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | err 3. |
| 19:39.06 | jacekowski | what's in 3? |
| 19:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | err 3.Ensure the battery is fully charged. |
| 19:39.29 | jacekowski | fuck yeah |
| 19:39.31 | jacekowski | reboot loop |
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| 19:45.03 | nicholas-x | btw, do i loose warranty if i flash n900? |
| 19:46.01 | luke-jr | nicholas-x: only if you break it while trying to flash it |
| 19:46.08 | luke-jr | due to your own fault |
| 19:46.22 | luke-jr | at least that's a limit set by the USA government(s) |
| 19:46.27 | luke-jr | no idea on internationally.. |
| 19:46.40 | nicholas-x | ok . thank you] |
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| 19:48.42 | crashanddie | nicholas-x: the answer is: No |
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| 19:49.17 | crashanddie | nicholas-x: Nokia is providing software updates, and flashing is one of the means of update, so there is no warranty void clause (unless you kill your device by being stupid, as luke-jr said) |
| 19:49.21 | nicholas-x | thank you crashanddie |
| 19:50.06 | luke-jr | crashanddie: over here, it's illegal to void warranty unless someone actually does damage to the device ;) |
| 19:50.28 | luke-jr | that is, maintenance by third parties is protected |
| 19:51.22 | nicholas-x | so as far as i understood i first flash Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 |
| 19:51.25 | nicholas-x | and then |
| 19:51.33 | nicholas-x | Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 |
| 19:51.38 | nicholas-x | correct? |
| 19:51.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | no vanilla |
| 19:52.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | just combined |
| 19:52.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka maemo5 global release |
| 19:52.36 | nicholas-x | ok :) thanks |
| 19:53.56 | nicholas-x | will it flash cellmo? |
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| 19:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think so, but as mentioned above, you need advice of somebody more savvy with respect to that topic |
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| 19:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no clear idea how flasher, NOLO bootloader and modem play that game of updating the cellmo firmware |
| 19:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski should know a little bit more |
| 19:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | also Stskeeps I guess |
| 19:58.18 | timeless | w00t: thanks |
| 19:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: do you know how to force a cellmo reflash? |
| 19:59.09 | timeless | docscrutinizer: more or less |
| 19:59.20 | timeless | but i don't have signatures so i can't cheat |
| 19:59.26 | w00t_ | :-) |
| 19:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: we don't want to cheat, just resurrect a dead modem |
| 20:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | (just in case reflashing of rootfs doesn't fix it) |
| 20:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: so is cellmo version checked and fw updated just in case, when flashing rootfs the usual way? |
| 20:02.29 | timeless | i believe so |
| 20:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | fine :-) |
| 20:02.54 | timeless | you can of course force things by dissecting the fiasco and only trying to flash the cellmo |
| 20:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | yup, that's how much I thought |
| 20:03.27 | ShadowJK | i think there's also a way to trick the ssu cellmo flasher into flashing |
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| 20:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | but anyway if it's done unconditionally on flashing rootfs, then we are probably fine with that |
| 20:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sweet, how? |
| 20:04.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nolo is flashing cellmo |
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| 20:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's why I said we need to ask you :-D |
| 20:04.59 | jacekowski | it would be nice if he would have serial connection to phone as well |
| 20:05.02 | jacekowski | to monitor progress |
| 20:05.08 | jacekowski | but well |
| 20:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, yes |
| 20:05.13 | timeless | someone's greedy |
| 20:05.14 | jacekowski | full flash should do the job |
| 20:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 20:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: how's flashing going? |
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| 20:05.48 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, dunno, I saw it in one of the threads on downgrading to 1.1.1 after people flashed the leaked 1.2-pre |
| 20:05.49 | jacekowski | you can try coldflash |
| 20:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes, thought about that as well |
| 20:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | alas I never followed that whole topic closely, as pre1.2 never was a point on my list |
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| 20:07.23 | nicholas-x | <DocScrutinizer> cherging my n900 ;) |
| 20:07.28 | nicholas-x | charging |
| 20:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, yes - good plan |
| 20:07.47 | nicholas-x | :) |
| 20:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | switch off the screen (lock it) so it charges a bit faster |
| 20:08.41 | nicholas-x | it's turned off |
| 20:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | when green idicator LED you're ready to start the flashing adventure |
| 20:08.53 | nicholas-x | btw can you plese tell me |
| 20:09.01 | nicholas-x | ok :) |
| 20:09.28 | nicholas-x | i bought apacer 8 gb microsd for my n900 |
| 20:09.34 | nicholas-x | but |
| 20:10.08 | jacekowski | ok after looking at that part of nolo |
| 20:10.24 | nicholas-x | when i copy files there I get mistakes in 85% |
| 20:10.36 | jacekowski | fiasco flash will only flash cmt if nolo thinks that it should be flashed |
| 20:10.44 | nicholas-x | 'memory is read-only until fixed |
| 20:10.46 | jacekowski | like older version or something |
| 20:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, then it's a bad card. Return it for a replacement |
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| 20:11.19 | jacekowski | so if cellmo is dead then it should flash it |
| 20:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's what I expected, yes |
| 20:11.31 | jacekowski | but doing flash with just mcusw firmware |
| 20:11.40 | jacekowski | will flash it as well |
| 20:11.49 | nicholas-x | ok .. thanks |
| 20:11.52 | nicholas-x | but |
| 20:11.57 | jacekowski | so try fiasco flash |
| 20:11.59 | jacekowski | if it fails |
| 20:12.10 | jacekowski | then well, get it to nokia care |
| 20:12.11 | nicholas-x | i tried other microsd cards and the problem persisited |
| 20:12.19 | nicholas-x | :( |
| 20:12.23 | jacekowski | have you tried overclocking it? |
| 20:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | well, let's see what a normal reflash of / incl the phonet libs (or whatever they're called) will result in |
| 20:13.31 | nicholas-x | overlocking my n900? i bought it 2 weeks ago |
| 20:13.31 | jacekowski | from? |
| 20:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: maybe it's a series of poorly built cards. There's quite frequently such things |
| 20:13.37 | nicholas-x | official nokia-approved internet-shop |
| 20:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | try another brand and other size of card |
| 20:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | just for test |
| 20:14.34 | nicholas-x | ok . thanks, bro ))) |
| 20:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | also try the problem card in another reader/system |
| 20:15.40 | nicholas-x | oh, i love linux and my n900 ... but so much problems, questions... |
| 20:15.49 | nicholas-x | xP |
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| 20:15.58 | jacekowski | that just the beggining of your problems |
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| 20:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | I got a 16G card that failed on my Freerunner phone after some 50..100k written, and on my PC after 600k..5M written (or somesuch) |
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| 20:16.42 | jacekowski | well, freerunner was a design failure |
| 20:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: (problems, Qs) that's why you are in here - partially - so you can learn |
| 20:17.11 | jacekowski | it reminds me shower radio i saw some time ago |
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| 20:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you are a ... err you got a point there |
| 20:17.19 | jacekowski | so you can hang it on something in shower |
| 20:17.24 | nicholas-x | yes. but i was glad i managed to install LXdE |
| 20:17.42 | jacekowski | and freerunner look almost the same |
| 20:17.45 | nicholas-x | very impressive device.. hardware :) |
| 20:17.49 | jacekowski | colours are different but thats all |
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| 20:18.06 | jacekowski | i'm just not sure |
| 20:18.10 | nicholas-x | :) truly open-source (or free) phone |
| 20:18.16 | jacekowski | that thing on the bottom/top is that a hole? |
| 20:18.26 | jacekowski | bottom* |
| 20:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | shower radio and ice hockey puck were the names I gave to all those :-D |
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| 20:18.56 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that hole at bottom of it, is that a real hole? |
| 20:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | more precisely that's where the GSM antenna is located |
| 20:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | very cute RF design |
| 20:20.02 | jacekowski | up untill now i was just thinking that it's speaker or something and it just looks like a hole on photos |
| 20:20.10 | nicholas-x | freerunner has USB ! XD |
| 20:20.16 | nicholas-x | oh |
| 20:20.38 | nicholas-x | impressive... |
| 20:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, full USB hostmode |
| 20:21.22 | nicholas-x | what is the price ?? |
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| 20:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | now? |
| 20:21.32 | nicholas-x | yes |
| 20:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | some 200+ bucks I think |
| 20:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, never bought any :-D |
| 20:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe will sell a few eventually |
| 20:23.02 | nicholas-x | ??? silly q, but where do you get 'em? |
| 20:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer |
| 20:23.13 | infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 20:24.25 | nicholas-x | :) ... it's an honor to speak with such a clever guy :) |
| 20:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 20:25.03 | jacekowski | so, you are the person that designed the hole? |
| 20:25.16 | nicholas-x | ;))))))))))))) |
| 20:25.24 | nicholas-x | +1 |
| 20:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | nope, that has been done loong before I joined, and EE isn't involved at all in ME |
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| 20:28.21 | nicholas-x | i am glad i moved to linux.. only half a year passed but i now cannot live without ubuntu and can't stand windows :) |
| 20:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | probably this specific design has been done by same guy who designed the first iMacs (the desk lamp shaped ones) |
| 20:29.18 | jacekowski | have openmoko seen any real designer? |
| 20:29.32 | mc_teo` | how can i update individual packages? |
| 20:29.36 | jacekowski | i mean exterior design designer |
| 20:30.19 | mc_teo` | like i downloads msn-pecan intregration using app manager, but i need to update it now |
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| 20:30.49 | mc_teo` | im not 100% sure its been updated though, so how to check version would be first i guess |
| 20:31.23 | nicholas-x | i am still a noob but as far as i know you get a messege in the status bar as soon as there is an update |
| 20:31.42 | default_ | I'd like to remove the MyDocs partition and resize the home partition to fill the void. Or at least resize both. Anyone know a forum post, blog entry or something somewhere that discusses the best way to do this? |
| 20:32.33 | MohammadAG | removing MyDocs would prolly cause a lot of problems |
| 20:32.50 | MohammadAG | someone mentioned sed'ing the eMMC image to partition it easily |
| 20:33.01 | default_ | why? the folder would still be there.. just on the same partition as the rest of home |
| 20:33.11 | lcuk | default_, theres some posts on site:talk.maemo.org which people have adjusted and messed with things |
| 20:33.20 | nicholas-x | Default_ , just interesting, why do you want to delete MyDocs |
| 20:33.29 | nicholas-x | ?? |
| 20:33.34 | default_ | Sick of the 2gig limit |
| 20:33.39 | MohammadAG | you'll need to change rc.S-late so it doesn't try to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 on MyDocs |
| 20:33.43 | lcuk | i have links somewhere, but its sunday night and I have had a beer |
| 20:33.51 | default_ | That bug 1305 is annoying me |
| 20:33.52 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 Planet doesn't list the feeds it aggregates anymore |
| 20:33.59 | lcuk | default_, sick why? have you filled space? |
| 20:34.07 | default_ | And there is no good reason for me to have it there other than it is already there |
| 20:34.08 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I hit the cap once |
| 20:34.11 | MohammadAG | or twice |
| 20:34.15 | lcuk | i wasnt asking you |
| 20:34.42 | MohammadAG | cries in the corner |
| 20:34.56 | lcuk | :P i know you do stuff which fills it |
| 20:35.02 | default_ | lcuk: got about 150mb free in it.. but bug 1305 won't let app installer install anything with that amount free |
| 20:35.02 | lcuk | but it is rare tosee someone else |
| 20:35.16 | lcuk | are you sure its 1305? |
| 20:35.19 | lcuk | bug 1305 |
| 20:35.21 | default_ | no l[ |
| 20:35.22 | MohammadAG | deleted 20GB of duplicate files on his PC |
| 20:35.25 | default_ | no ;] |
| 20:35.38 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:35.41 | MohammadAG | bug 1305 |
| 20:35.50 | MohammadAG | povbot's dead |
| 20:35.51 | MohammadAG | bug 1 |
| 20:35.52 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 20:35.57 | MohammadAG | or it ignores dupes |
| 20:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | for good reason |
| 20:36.28 | lcuk | bug 10305 is the one you mean |
| 20:36.30 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10305 Application Manager in PR1.2 says not enough space even though there is. |
| 20:36.31 | default_ | sorry.. bug #10305 |
| 20:36.44 | MohammadAG | for x in range [1..100000]; do echo bug $x; done |
| 20:36.55 | default_ | thats the one ;] |
| 20:37.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'd like to see it ignore that ^ |
| 20:37.17 | lcuk | ok default_ if you have experienced this, be specific vote for the bug, and if you can add new info not already in the report, please add it |
| 20:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to see you trying it :-P |
| 20:37.34 | lcuk | there are very few people encountering this, and adjusting it generically is a problem |
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| 20:37.53 | lcuk | so if you find posts and howtos for adjusting, please also add info there |
| 20:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | nods |
| 20:39.16 | default_ | well.. it sounds like others are curing this bug by reinstalling the mme.. I was thinking if I was going to go to that trouble.. I might as well look into fixing the whole mme problem from the get go. I'd easily have filled that 150mb by now if I could |
| 20:39.42 | default_ | Can't really install many of the larger games with the 2g limit |
| 20:39.54 | lcuk | mme? |
| 20:40.22 | default_ | errr.. screweing up my terminology again, am I? |
| 20:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | 150mb? |
| 20:40.25 | lcuk | default_, sure but now with the 2g limit been there a long time and only a handful of people have come up against it |
| 20:40.35 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its almost that yes |
| 20:41.25 | default_ | It seems I meant "eMMC" |
| 20:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you lost me |
| 20:42.13 | default_ | Really? I remember reading a lot of reviews before the device complaining about that and the root limit. |
| 20:42.21 | lcuk | remembers the amiga variable allocation RAM drive and smiles |
| 20:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | is this about filling up /home now, or about free space in / ? |
| 20:42.35 | lcuk | default_, root limit and 2gb home are actually 2 different problems |
| 20:42.41 | default_ | But basically blowing it off out of expectation it would be easy to fix since we're talking about debian |
| 20:42.51 | lcuk | related yes, but totally different |
| 20:43.29 | default_ | well... yes and no. The cause similar problems but one is a hardware limit and the other is a design limit |
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| 20:43.35 | default_ | The=They |
| 20:43.57 | lcuk | default_, nobody is blowing anything off, the remaining space on the eMMC is mounted and unmounted at various times, for data thats used as the operating system its not quite a straight forward thing |
| 20:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | I fail to see how you can fill up 2GB by just usual usage patterns |
| 20:44.46 | jacekowski | i did |
| 20:44.48 | jacekowski | quite easily |
| 20:44.50 | default_ | I was referring to the reviewers I had read last year when remarking upon those limits in their reviews.. I apologize for using an overly strong term |
| 20:44.52 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, some games are 200mb+ each |
| 20:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | eew |
| 20:45.01 | jacekowski | yep |
| 20:45.02 | lcuk | yes, silly |
| 20:45.05 | lcuk | but thats it |
| 20:45.06 | mc_teo` | so anyways, to update packages manually, should i just use apt-get? |
| 20:45.12 | lcuk | i prefer having device for data |
| 20:45.21 | jacekowski | data == porn? |
| 20:45.27 | default_ | Nobody has ever described me as being "usual" |
| 20:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 20:45.55 | lcuk | jacekowski, :| |
| 20:46.02 | default_ | But then, if you install a lot of the software available, it is easy to fill 2g |
| 20:46.11 | default_ | But why are we debating this? |
| 20:46.23 | mc_teo` | 2gb is easily filled |
| 20:46.24 | lcuk | is finally glad that this is now the problem and that rootfs no longer fills by default |
| 20:46.40 | jacekowski | i suppose, gui resize for that 2g partition would be killer app |
| 20:46.45 | lcuk | default_, go finding mechanisms to change on the fly then |
| 20:46.46 | lcuk | please |
| 20:46.50 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:47.00 | jacekowski | it's simple to resize it |
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| 20:47.29 | default_ | I hope nobody thinks I am suggesting that the device should have been sold as I want it... That is certainly not what I am saying. I don't intend on pushing my ideals on others |
| 20:47.46 | mc_teo` | would there be any way to make a percent battery indicater? |
| 20:47.48 | jacekowski | well, resize is simple |
| 20:48.03 | lcuk | default_, I think you are in an ideal position to do the investigation - purely because you need it for your use case |
| 20:48.03 | default_ | jace: you have unmount partitions to resize them |
| 20:48.04 | jacekowski | delete MyDocs partition |
| 20:48.12 | jacekowski | default_: nope |
| 20:48.14 | lcuk | adding the info onto the specific bug about it is the right thing to do |
| 20:48.19 | default_ | no? |
| 20:48.22 | jacekowski | no |
| 20:48.30 | jacekowski | you can update partition table |
| 20:48.32 | jacekowski | reboot |
| 20:48.38 | jacekowski | so system will reread it |
| 20:48.48 | jacekowski | because you can't force reread if it's in use |
| 20:48.50 | default_ | lcuk: I think the other posts on that bug cover all of the angles that I have experienced |
| 20:48.53 | jacekowski | and then resize filesystem |
| 20:49.06 | jacekowski | and filesystem resize can be done online with ext |
| 20:49.08 | jacekowski | ext3 |
| 20:49.12 | jacekowski | i think |
| 20:49.22 | jacekowski | i'm not really sure about ext3 |
| 20:49.30 | jacekowski | i know it was possible with ext2 |
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| 20:49.39 | lcuk | default_, sure - I see people iwth the issue |
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| 20:51.37 | default_ | I hadn't heard that before.. at any rate I'm fine with temporarily booting into a partition on the microSD and then resizing.. but it would be ideal to find someone who has already done it |
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| 20:53.59 | default_ | Thanks for the help everyone |
| 20:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil has resized his home and mydocs iirc |
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| 20:57.28 | nicholas-x | my n900 is redy for flashing :) |
| 20:57.40 | nicholas-x | charged ] |
| 20:57.46 | nicholas-x | ready |
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| 20:58.21 | mc_teo` | set |
| 20:58.23 | mc_teo` | go! |
| 21:01.36 | mc_teo` | can someone explain what happens when the battery dies |
| 21:01.50 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: It goes blibly-boop. |
| 21:01.51 | lcuk | git goes to heaven |
| 21:01.55 | lcuk | -g damn |
| 21:02.25 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: DSME tells BME to shutdown. It pops up the banner 'recharge battery' then shuts down. |
| 21:02.35 | lcuk | it moans a few times beforehand |
| 21:02.39 | lcuk | then has a final wail |
| 21:03.00 | mc_teo` | does it not like save a state when battey is like 1% and then load this state on boot? |
| 21:03.03 | mc_teo` | it should |
| 21:03.09 | mc_teo` | imho |
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| 21:03.58 | MohammadAG | mc_teo`, install a framebuffer kernel |
| 21:04.02 | MohammadAG | you'll see it does |
| 21:04.12 | MohammadAG | DSME shuts down the device at bootup |
| 21:05.03 | mc_teo` | ? |
| 21:05.15 | mc_teo` | why would i want the device to shutdown at bootup |
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| 21:05.32 | MohammadAG | cause the batt's empty? |
| 21:06.21 | achipa | ~seen Jaffa |
| 21:06.23 | infobot | jaffa is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 75 messages. Is idling for 2h 36m 8s, last said: '~flashing'. |
| 21:07.01 | Aranel | [NITdroid question] I cannot get bootloader to work correctly. It only shows an empty entry (which defaults to Maemo it seems) , how I'm going to boot NITdroid with it? |
| 21:08.44 | MohammadAG | Aranel, #nitdroid |
| 21:08.52 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 21:08.55 | MohammadAG | Aranel, #nitdroid-help |
| 21:09.35 | lcuk | achipa, according to that, jaffa has been flashing for hte last 2 hours |
| 21:09.40 | Aranel | thanks but It seems they're asleep =) |
| 21:09.44 | lcuk | it is entirely feasible he has been arrested |
| 21:09.55 | achipa | lcuk: doesn't sound good, eh ? :) |
| 21:10.06 | lcuk | heh not really |
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| 21:20.21 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 21:26.00 | nicholas-x | Flashing cmt-mcusw... Sending request 0x50 failed! |
| 21:26.00 | nicholas-x | Bootloader error log follows: |
| 21:26.00 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.00 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.00 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.00 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.02 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.04 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.06 | nicholas-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.18 | nicholas-x | please i need help |
| 21:26.31 | nicholas-x | what have i done wrong? |
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| 21:31.24 | Jaffa | achipa: pong |
| 21:31.30 | Jaffa | lcuk: Was just watching Sherlock |
| 21:31.59 | achipa | Jaffa: I hope reflashing did not take Sherlockian (is that a word?) methods |
| 21:32.08 | nicholas-x | people! please help! |
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| 21:32.27 | achipa | Jaffa: anyway, I think I got kisstester where I wanted to regarding base look/function |
| 21:32.31 | Jaffa | achipa: Once I eliminated the impossible, whatever remained - no matter how unlikely - must be true |
| 21:32.53 | achipa | Jaffa: or, in plain English, "I take patches" is now officially in effect |
| 21:32.53 | Jaffa | achipa: Cool. See my earlier stuff about "Recently installed" (or whatever it's called now) not working for me? |
| 21:33.08 | achipa | did you check the very latest (as in 30 min ago ?) |
| 21:33.12 | Jaffa | achipa: No |
| 21:33.14 | Jaffa | does so |
| 21:37.19 | Jaffa | achipa: "Already installed" is including some packages, such as Scout, 9x9-sudoku, Blue Sky Theme, Neon Theme that I don't have installed |
| 21:37.50 | achipa | Jaffa: or you THINK you don't have them installed (twilight zone theme playing in background) |
| 21:39.15 | achipa | but granted, you might have stumbled upon a bug on how I parse dpkg output |
| 21:39.33 | Jaffa | achipa: achipa Don't have them installed: http://pastebin.com/ZrefcJ1n |
| 21:39.43 | achipa | (not sure if that is the right way to go about finding installed packages anyway) |
| 21:39.50 | Jaffa | achipa: The bug wasn't there earlier |
| 21:40.11 | Jaffa | achipa: Simplest way: ls /var/lib/dpkg/*.list |
| 21:40.28 | achipa | Jaffa: that does not include versions |
| 21:40.44 | Jaffa | achipa: Ah, true. |
| 21:41.20 | Jaffa | achipa: Just doing dpkg -l and then manually parsing/grepping /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages? |
| 21:41.55 | Jaffa | achipa: Although dpkg -l truncates, I'm sure there's a way of getting it better |
| 21:42.17 | achipa | jaffa prolly via some dpkg-query stuff |
| 21:42.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders what happened to nicholas-x |
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| 21:43.25 | Jaffa | achipa: dpkg -l just reads /var/lib/dpkg/status. That looks quickest |
| 21:43.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | also what happened to his modem |
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| 21:45.19 | SpeedEvil | It detonated, He hasn't been back. |
| 21:45.24 | achipa | Jaffa: hah, I think I got it, dpkg-query -W |
| 21:45.48 | Jaffa | achipa: Perfect |
| 21:46.27 | achipa | Jaffa: any other observations ? |
| 21:46.46 | lbt | hey Jaffa |
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| 21:47.35 | Jaffa | achipa: Does it indicate with green if something's promotable or only red/green depending on your vote? |
| 21:47.38 | Jaffa | lbt: hey! |
| 21:48.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway seems dead (the modem) |
| 21:48.28 | achipa | Jaffa: border color indicates your vote, text color indicates unlock status |
| 21:49.04 | Jaffa | achipa: Ah, cool. Taking into account timescales as well as votes? (And super-testers?) Presumably you go off status in maemo.org/packages? |
| 21:49.12 | lbt | Jaffa: did you get my note earlier.... just wanted to give you an update for mwn |
| 21:49.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway seems dead (the modem) |
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| 21:50.16 | lbt | hmm... my desktop must have gone down... |
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| 21:50.18 | Jaffa | lbt: No, I didn't |
| 21:50.20 | lbt | and back :) |
| 21:50.28 | obcecado | hi channel |
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| 21:50.38 | achipa | Jaffa: timescales ? I just scrape, don't try to think too much, kiss principle and all :) |
| 21:50.39 | lbt | we have installed OBS on the OSU boxes |
| 21:50.52 | Jaffa | achipa: i.e. 10 days quarantine |
| 21:50.57 | lbt | tons of disk and fair amount of CPU |
| 21:50.58 | obcecado | after updating kernel-power, my n900 has a reboot cycle (it does not pass nokia screen) |
| 21:51.02 | Jaffa | lbt: oh yeah, cool |
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| 21:51.18 | obcecado | is there any way to fix it ? i tried reflashing following the wiki article, but no luck |
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| 21:51.25 | lbt | I thikn X-Fade and I are waiting for an audit and we need to see what sSO is available |
| 21:51.43 | lbt | you saw the small rucus that that bug raised? |
| 21:51.48 | Jaffa | Yup |
| 21:51.57 | lbt | worth mentioning I think |
| 21:52.01 | Jaffa | Wondering if to link to that with a "bah, humbug" |
| 21:52.10 | achipa | Jaffa: umm... no ? not sure what/why would I include that ? |
| 21:52.13 | lbt | although I think the result will be favourable |
| 21:52.27 | lbt | I'd like that nailed by the community people ASAP |
| 21:52.40 | achipa | obcecado: what exactly does no luck mean ? reflash went through but still reboots or could not reflash ? |
| 21:52.42 | lbt | it didn't get the attention last time around... |
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| 21:52.51 | obcecado | it does not flash |
| 21:52.56 | Jaffa | achipa: "Unlock status" - if I wanted to use the colour to know whether or not to further test, I would prioritise things which hadn't already been unlocked (or were going to be) |
| 21:53.01 | obcecado | the flasher keeps waiting for device |
| 21:53.20 | lbt | but I think the +ve thing is that we're really making steps on the OBS/autobuilder for fremantle/meego and, one expects, harmattan |
| 21:53.27 | achipa | Jaffa: err... that's the green text color |
| 21:53.40 | lbt | OK .. bed now... up in 6.5 hrs |
| 21:53.45 | lbt | night all |
| 21:53.47 | achipa | Jaffa: (after X-Fade's style of writing karma with green for unlocked packages) |
| 21:53.52 | obcecado | night |
| 21:53.55 | achipa | night |
| 21:54.13 | obcecado | so, no ideas on what else i could do ? |
| 21:54.19 | Jaffa | achipa: OK, to be sure: what do you mean by "unlocked", promotable by the maintainer OR will be promotable by the maintainer once the quarantine expires? |
| 21:54.29 | obcecado | besides taking the device to a nokia support centre |
| 21:54.37 | achipa | Jaffa: the former |
| 21:55.06 | Jaffa | achipa: OK, and my point - partially - is that perhaps some indication for the latter (apart from reading the number) could be useful |
| 21:55.19 | Jaffa | achipa: But mostly I just wanted to understand without reading the code |
| 21:56.10 | achipa | obcecado: make sure you turned it off |
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| 21:56.32 | achipa | obcecado: and then started the flasher, so it waits for you to turn on the device |
| 21:57.19 | achipa | Jaffa: aha, well, did not want to include too much logic that is not ever certain to have been implemented by niels the same way :) |
| 21:57.43 | DrGrov | Good evening |
| 21:58.24 | achipa | obcecado: pull battery if you can't stop it looping/turning on |
| 22:00.24 | obcecado | should i expect some output when it starts flashing ? |
| 22:00.40 | achipa | obcecado: the flasher should say it's flashing |
| 22:00.54 | achipa | obcecado: though it's fairly quick |
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| 22:04.59 | astruasdh | sometimes my n900 shows no signal, but when I shutdown and power on again, the signal appears. is there any way so solve this or it is a problem in my mobile company? |
| 22:05.34 | Jaffa | achipa: True |
| 22:05.35 | SpeedEvil | same problem astruasdh |
| 22:05.42 | SpeedEvil | I suspect dirty SIM contacts |
| 22:05.46 | obcecado | no good achipa |
| 22:05.52 | obcecado | it does not start flashing |
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| 22:06.40 | astruasdh | SpeedEvil, I had "no sim card" symbol, but I solves it putting a piece of paper netween sim card holder and the battery |
| 22:06.49 | achipa | obcecado: does it say any error or ? make sure you're root |
| 22:07.38 | obcecado | im running it from windows 64bit (using the boot method to use non signed drivers) |
| 22:08.07 | obcecado | as it refuses to run on my fedora |
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| 22:08.44 | achipa | obcecado: umm... not sure about windows... |
| 22:09.44 | obcecado | well, time to build a liveusb with persistent mode to run that flasher from debian... |
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| 22:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | astruasdh: make sure you properly lock the simcard holder |
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| 22:12.44 | astruasdh | hmmm ok, I'll do that, but I think it is ok |
| 22:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | obcecado: exactly |
| 22:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | obcecado: then connect cable to PC, remove battery from N900, start flasher, connect cable to N900, insert battery to n900 while holding U key |
| 22:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | though, tbh, I don't see why holding 'u' could ever be flawed by borked kernel or rootfs, as this detection is done by NOLO bootloader, so holding down 'u' prior to powering up should do the trick each day. But there's one gotcha and that's discharged battery. Device doesn't charge when bootlooping, and flashing on flat battery is *known* to fail |
| 22:20.02 | achipa | Jaffa: hm.... what if you HAD that version installed but have uninstalled it in the meantime ? I'm inclined to show that, too... |
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| 22:21.47 | Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 | NEW MAMEO FUTURE RELATED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBB8zTdY4NU |
| 22:21.49 | Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 | ;) |
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| 22:22.52 | obcecado | DocScrutinizer: i also tried that |
| 22:23.57 | achipa | Jaffa: btw fix for your phantom packages pushed |
| 22:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | obcecado: yeah, but under windoze aiui |
| 22:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen Cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 |
| 22:26.45 | infobot | cazzzzzzzzzzzo21 <~USCHostin@bas3-toronto01-1177778342.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4m 56s ago, saying: ';)'. |
| 22:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | id... :-/ |
| 22:27.31 | kerio | haha wtf |
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| 22:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes I wish I was a freenode admin |
| 22:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | most of the time I'm happy I'm not |
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| 22:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | anyway "there's no way to delay / that trouble coming every day" :-) |
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| 22:34.41 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> though, tbh, I don't see why holding 'u' could ever be flawed by borked kernel or rootfs, as this detection is done by NOLO bootloader, so holding down 'u' prior to powering up should do the trick each day. But there's one gotcha and that's discharged battery. Device doesn't charge when bootlooping, and flashing on flat battery is *known* to fail |
| 22:34.59 | MohammadAG | pressing u just forces the device to go into flashing mode, it doesn't need to be done |
| 22:35.10 | MohammadAG | just execute + connect N900 |
| 22:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I know what I've posted |
| 22:35.13 | ieatlint | holds u |
| 22:35.14 | kerio | MohammadAG: huh? really? |
| 22:35.14 | kerio | :o |
| 22:35.28 | kerio | ieatlint: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 22:35.32 | MohammadAG | NO U |
| 22:35.33 | MohammadAG | anyways |
| 22:35.40 | vldcnst | deja vu about this flashing while battery dead |
| 22:35.41 | vldcnst | :o |
| 22:35.47 | ieatlint | me... |
| 22:35.48 | MohammadAG | 2nd, I flashed with the solid yellow light on today, and it was a success |
| 22:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I can do that! just stop bme :-P |
| 22:36.52 | kerio | we need a "c" for charge |
| 22:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, NOLO should probably always reset solid yellow |
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| 22:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | so if you managed to get NOLO on screen while still yellow solid, there's really something weird going on |
| 22:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | and if you managed to flash without NOLO on screen, then even more |
| 22:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | solid yellow doesn't mean battery is particularly low, it just means no working system has managed yet to reset the bq24150 |
| 22:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | brother, I got weird ideas... |
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| 22:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | system can be bootloadered (i.e. real boot meaning NOLO is starting) by 3 means: powerbutton, RTC alarm, and VBUS 5V detection. I'm wondering what's going to happen when you power down the system while bq24150 still in boost mode, so the device itself will supply the VBUS 5V |
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| 22:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (pressing 'u') of course pressing/holding 'u' isn't exactly mandatory, but it's a nice help to stop system from running into bootloop, esp when you got problems with connectivity to flashing PC |
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| 22:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: try it, maybe NOLO has such function since 770 |
| 22:51.45 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> honestly, NOLO should probably always reset solid yellow |
| 22:51.47 | MohammadAG | it didn't |
| 22:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 22:52.16 | timeless | doesn't remember the 770 having a keyboard :) |
| 22:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
| 22:52.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you could try it out for yourself |
| 22:52.54 | MohammadAG | but it involves dd'ing /dev/mtd5 |
| 22:53.03 | timeless | where's the fun in that? |
| 22:53.11 | timeless | it sounds like risk+pain |
| 22:53.15 | MohammadAG | kernel panics -> nothing to reset chip |
| 22:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | anyway see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard |
| 22:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | 2: U has its own row |
| 22:53.33 | MohammadAG | timeless, risk+pain=fun |
| 22:53.38 | MohammadAG | k, maybe not |
| 22:53.43 | timeless | masochist |
| 22:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~stab MohammadAG |
| 22:54.05 | infobot | ACTION runs at MohammadAG with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:54.28 | _trine | risk+pain=disaster |
| 22:55.18 | _trine | risk+nopain=fun |
| 22:56.40 | timeless | sw ep6 :) |
| 22:56.49 | timeless | seems to recall seeing ep5 this morning |
| 22:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | pokes jacekowski about other special keys tested in NOLO |
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| 23:18.35 | MohammadAG51 | pokes channel |
| 23:18.54 | SpeedEvil | pokes back. |
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| 23:19.20 | MohammadAG51 | stabs it again, just to be sure |
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