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| 00:44.26 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 00:44.28 | TiagoTiago | i'm scared |
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| 00:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | BOOOO ;-P |
| 00:47.35 | TiagoTiago | i installed that sixaxis support thing, and it enabled extra-dev, then i noticed there were updates avaible to lots of programs, without thinking i told it to update them, but them when it reached the power kernel the it started to take a long time to move the progres bar so i switched to the browser and went for a site with flash games, then when the game started the device is not... |
| 00:47.36 | TiagoTiago | ...reponding anymore, i hear the clicks for keypresses and the sound of the game, and the less cover reminder seems to be buzzing in the background, but nothing i do makes the screen change, it's all frozen Dx< |
| 00:47.39 | TiagoTiago | Dx |
| 00:47.53 | TiagoTiago | lens* |
| 00:48.43 | TiagoTiago | it's not safe to try to shut it down, is it? |
| 00:48.52 | TiagoTiago | I mena, the N900 itself |
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| 00:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | wait! |
| 00:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's probably swapping like hell, as you eaten up RAM for browser/flash /flash is *BAD*) |
| 00:51.15 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 00:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | click on close button for browser, then just wait |
| 00:51.51 | TiagoTiago | already tried, the X won't even go blue, the screen is frozen |
| 00:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | I once had to wait 1h until it recovered from such abuse |
| 00:52.19 | TiagoTiago | i mean,t hebackground of the X |
| 00:52.21 | nox- | i got a real freeze (deadlock?) today whit just maemo mapper, location test and xterm running... |
| 00:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | yepyep screen seems frozen, that's due to processes take ages to get their share of cpu time |
| 00:52.33 | nox- | 1h? ouch |
| 00:53.10 | nox- | so you mean it could just have been a memory leak in maemo mapper or something like that? |
| 00:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: sure, usually I would have rebooted it, but I was curious |
| 00:53.20 | TiagoTiago | at least this happened while i was at home, with the charger avaiable, so no risk of it dieing due to running out of battery |
| 00:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: (leak) flash! |
| 00:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | flash is shit |
| 00:53.46 | nox- | no i mean my hang <nox-> i got a real freeze (deadlock?) today whit just maemo mapper, location test and xterm running... |
| 00:53.53 | TiagoTiago | i worried i'll need to hook it up to my PC and reflash it :( |
| 00:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 00:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: nope |
| 00:54.28 | TiagoTiago | since it was updating the kernel from extra-dev when it froze |
| 00:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | at least not if power-kernel (deprecated anyway if you don't really know why you *need* it) doesn't mess up anything |
| 00:55.04 | TiagoTiago | i only realised it was getting the updates from extra-dev after it had already started so i was afraid of trying to interrupt it in the middle of the thing and make things worse |
| 00:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: no idea. Maybe mapper went hamuk |
| 00:56.07 | TiagoTiago | i installed it to get better battery time and perhaps overclock the processor when i need a program to run faster |
| 00:56.20 | TiagoTiago | didn't find how to set thigns up though] |
| 00:56.23 | TiagoTiago | :/ |
| 00:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell TiagoTiago about omap-oc |
| 00:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell TiagoTiago about overclocking |
| 00:57.57 | TiagoTiago | after i read about how it is dangerous in hot wheather wasn't even gonna get close to 1ghz |
| 00:58.10 | TiagoTiago | weather* |
| 00:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: you should read the WARNINGs on extras-devel and even -testing |
| 00:58.27 | nox- | oh and rfmon just means monitor mode, or is it also an app? |
| 00:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, haha |
| 00:58.32 | nox- | only found kismet... |
| 00:59.08 | TiagoTiago | i had jsut installed the SIXAXIS support and forgot it had activated extra-dev when the updates notice showed |
| 00:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: you might want to check aircrack |
| 00:59.33 | nox- | ah ok |
| 00:59.42 | TiagoTiago | it was a really dumb thing to do aparently |
| 01:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: ?? |
| 01:00.54 | TiagoTiago | i didn't even worry much when extra-dev was enabled 'cause lots of places talk about getting programs that are there like as if it was just a matter of changing your shirt |
| 01:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, Zappa. |
| 01:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:01.14 | TiagoTiago | most places don't even say somthing like "soon it will get approaved" or osmthing |
| 01:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: hope you liked it |
| 01:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I've actually seen that video before. |
| 01:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Funnily enough. |
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| 01:01.50 | TiagoTiago | like it's just another source for the same type of things we already get by default |
| 01:02.15 | TiagoTiago | i can't even get the power button menu toshow now Dx |
| 01:02.47 | jaem | TiagoTiago: Well, -devel is by definition "stuff in development" |
| 01:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: maybe you should just remove battery, and be prepared to reflash |
| 01:03.00 | jaem | Plenty of apps there are usable, but it's not enabled by default for a good reason. |
| 01:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 01:03.02 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 01:03.31 | TiagoTiago | what are the chances of it just comming back up if i hard reboot it? |
| 01:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 01:03.44 | jaem | TiagoTiago: If you want your phone to work, don't use apps from -devel. -testing is /usually/ fairly safe, but again, no guarantees - it's there for a reason. |
| 01:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | but good is not 100% |
| 01:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | check ~flashing |
| 01:04.27 | TiagoTiago | i got kidna dessentsitized about the risks of -dev agyer seeing so many people suggesting getting programs that are only avaiable there |
| 01:04.33 | TiagoTiago | after* |
| 01:05.01 | jaem | TiagoTiago: If you're not comfortable doing recovery tasks by yourself, I would recommend against it. |
| 01:05.14 | jaem | At the very least, don't leave the catalogue enabled. |
| 01:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | for your excuse we need to appreciate power-kernel is in extras :-S |
| 01:05.25 | TiagoTiago | i mean, will it get bricked or hard rebooting has a good chance of allowing me to disable -dev and get everything working again? |
| 01:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | no idea how it got there |
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| 01:06.25 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Can you do iptables-fu with the stock kernel? |
| 01:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: will *not* get bricked (but prepare for flashing, today or in 5 months) |
| 01:06.47 | TiagoTiago | if i wait will thigns get worse? |
| 01:06.55 | TiagoTiago | i mean, wait to see if it will unfreeze |
| 01:06.58 | jaem | I was using power-kernel for USBNet-based tethering for a while, but I wasn't sure if I needed it. |
| 01:07.09 | jaem | I suppose I could just build the relevant modules separately, right? |
| 01:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: we just discussed that in hostmode channel. No obviously not, but then power kernel shouldn't come with hazardous options enabled |
| 01:07.54 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I must have missed that discussion. |
| 01:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: nope, you can wait another 2h and see what's happening |
| 01:08.19 | TiagoTiago | what do you sugegst, should i pull the battery now, or wait to see if it will come back in a couple of hours? |
| 01:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: you weren't there, it's a small 'private' unpopular channel |
| 01:08.54 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Ah. I'm not entirely certain what you meant there, though. What was the "no, obviously not" in response to? |
| 01:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | response to "can you do netfilters" |
| 01:09.49 | jaem | nods |
| 01:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's a shame actually |
| 01:10.12 | nox- | iptables doesnt work on n900? |
| 01:10.15 | jaem | It is. Any idea why it's not included? |
| 01:10.25 | jaem | nox-: not by default. It's not hard to set up, though. |
| 01:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | "we don't need that"? |
| 01:10.46 | nox- | ah, power kernel, i c |
| 01:10.53 | jaem | nox-: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router |
| 01:11.35 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Probably. Then again, "you don't need it, so we aren't shipping it" is better than "you don't need it, so we won't let you have it" *cough* |
| 01:11.44 | TiagoTiago | i'm nervous, what has better chances or not fucking it up, pulling the battery now or waiting? |
| 01:12.00 | jaem | TiagoTiago: Well, waiting won't make it worse. |
| 01:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: there's such a concept like kernel modules |
| 01:12.24 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Yes, I was planning on going that route. |
| 01:12.32 | TiagoTiago | any idea how long untill it's obvious it wont thaw? |
| 01:12.41 | jaem | Oh... I missed your meaning. ;) |
| 01:13.11 | jaem | TiagoTiago: no, not really. |
| 01:13.37 | jaem | as DocScrutinizer said, it's probably not "frozen" - just swapping like there's no tomorrow. |
| 01:13.50 | jaem | checks the calendar |
| 01:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | *might* take hours |
| 01:14.54 | TiagoTiago | why there is no control-alt-del like on older Windows where you could just tell everything to wait and a task manager with system info etc would be the only thing allowed to run? |
| 01:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | but also should show *some* kind of reaction to user interaction, at least an ocasional click, vibra, or change on screen |
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| 01:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: hold power button for 15s |
| 01:15.28 | jaem | TiagoTiago: That isn't the issue here, most likely. |
| 01:15.35 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: Doesn't that just kill it? |
| 01:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | that's as close as it gets to ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:15.41 | TiagoTiago | screen not changing, key press sounds are working, game sounds continue to play, lens covner reminder buzzes |
| 01:15.59 | jaem | TiagoTiago: so it is responding, but not repainting? |
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| 01:16.04 | TiagoTiago | yeah |
| 01:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's swapping like hell |
| 01:16.25 | TiagoTiago | doesn't that just shuts it down? |
| 01:16.34 | zeltak | hya guys..anyone knows how to make an icon for a command line app in easy debian? it works well for gui apps |
| 01:17.05 | TiagoTiago | i'm not sure how reponsive it is, i think the programs aren't changing under the screen |
| 01:17.05 | zeltak | when i try a prog that runs in the terminal it dosent start (using debbie) |
| 01:17.35 | TiagoTiago | not sure though |
| 01:17.42 | TiagoTiago | any way i can verify if they are? |
| 01:17.44 | jaem_n900 | zeltak: By "make an icon", do you mean "add a launcher"? |
| 01:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: every user action gets stored up and slows down the process even further |
| 01:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: try to shut down gently (powe rbutton) |
| 01:18.14 | zeltak | jaem_n900: yeah i create a .desktop file for lets say keepassx and it works great |
| 01:18.25 | TiagoTiago | press and hold? |
| 01:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:18.36 | TiagoTiago | will that fuck thigns up if the kernel is still being updated? |
| 01:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:18.44 | zeltak | but when i use debbie task shell for example in the exex section it dosent work |
| 01:18.47 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 01:18.49 | zeltak | works well for gui apps |
| 01:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: reflashing is easy |
| 01:19.15 | TiagoTiago | i'm worried about having to install and set evcerything again |
| 01:19.24 | zeltak | DocScrutinizer: easy yet always scary lol |
| 01:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | partially you'll have to do |
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| 01:20.29 | TiagoTiago | i think perhaps the flash game sound might be looping, though it might also be that it thinks i keep clicking on it |
| 01:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to sit that out to an end |
| 01:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | chances power-kernel flashing already started are minimal |
| 01:22.17 | TiagoTiago | hm, interesting, i jsut found out what i have to do to have the text to speech tlaking clock to do it's thing, double click ont he power button |
| 01:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 01:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | you got a serously interesting config there |
| 01:23.44 | TiagoTiago | how can it talk if there isn't processing time left to even update the screen? |
| 01:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | pulseaudio has higher priority |
| 01:24.29 | TiagoTiago | higher priority than task switching etc? |
| 01:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | also maybe it's really the framebuffer/X/rendering that borked |
| 01:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | reboot the thing |
| 01:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | ar as we say here: "Nur mut zum boot!" |
| 01:25.23 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 01:25.32 | TiagoTiago | if i manage to get the ssh to respond via network, would that provide any more info on what is going on, or allow to get things running again without needing to reflash? |
| 01:25.43 | MohammadAG | but if he was flashing the kernel he only needs to reflash that |
| 01:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | "ein Boot tut gut" :-D |
| 01:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: chances are you don't need to reflash |
| 01:27.26 | TiagoTiago | it's not jsut pulse audio, the txt to speech engine has to run for it to read the time out loud |
| 01:27.59 | TiagoTiago | ssh is responding |
| 01:28.26 | TiagoTiago | can i get any info using it? (i'm not really used to linux command line) |
| 01:28.48 | TiagoTiago | ls |
| 01:28.55 | TiagoTiago | oops, lol, wrong window |
| 01:30.53 | TiagoTiago | ok, gonna try soft shutdown... |
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| 01:34.44 | TiagoTiago | ok, bott up seemes to have gone without a hitch |
| 01:34.52 | TiagoTiago | boot* |
| 01:35.45 | TiagoTiago | fired up app manager, then called the catalogs screen, and it is thinking...... |
| 01:36.11 | TiagoTiago | there, disabled -dev |
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| 01:36.40 | TiagoTiago | what do i need to do to "update" everythign to the latest non-dev version? |
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| 01:37.19 | Smhar | I read that overclocking actually improves battery life, is this reaaly true? |
| 01:40.21 | TiagoTiago | the explanation of why it would makes sense fo rme, but i'm quite far from being an expert on the areas involved |
| 01:42.37 | Smhar | I read that it is because of using low voltage, but does that mean that I will get the same just by using the advanced kernel without overclocking? |
| 01:44.02 | TiagoTiago | i saw somthign about the low voltage, but also about running things fast and then not needing to keep runnning cause it is already done |
| 01:47.35 | TiagoTiago | it switches to a much smaller voltage when idling i belive |
| 01:47.36 | sid_ | i play with buying a maemo phone; booting from mmc is possible as far as i read; but where can i get kernel sources? |
| 01:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | Smhar: no, most probably is an urban legend |
| 01:47.58 | TiagoTiago | but like i said, i don't know much about the topic, i'm just repeating what i remember reading about it |
| 01:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell Smhar about omap-oc |
| 01:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | sid_: see /topic, |
| 01:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/ |
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| 01:50.24 | fTfvJzgd6Vx73 | Y wen a girl call a girl a bitch its ight but if a nigga do it its world war3... If u a bitch u a bitch stop bein 1 an u an u gud K4fWKWoxOnBJl |
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| 01:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | damn, should have banned |
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| 01:54.23 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 01:54.32 | TiagoTiago | can't you still do it? |
| 01:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's gone |
| 01:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | got no join/quit logs here |
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| 01:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, nvm |
| 01:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 01:55.54 | TiagoTiago | there isn't some bot or server command that will tell you info about people that aren't here anymore? |
| 01:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | klined anyway I guess |
| 01:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | /whowas |
| 01:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | but doesn't work usually as those idiot bots don't register |
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| 02:02.06 | Smhar | anyone here uses claws-email in N900? |
| 02:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | a few |
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| 02:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | the genuine mail app is so... errr, Freud knows why I even forgot the name |
| 02:03.23 | CMLTqs | Jus finish wit dat shake weight I was gettin crazy wit dat shit 1qVjd9wy1 |
| 02:03.26 | cehteh | gaves up on hopeing for a useable email client ... |
| 02:03.28 | Smhar | I have thunderbird in my desktop. is it possible to copy my thousands of emails with tens of folders and tend of filters to claws? |
| 02:03.45 | cehteh | claws is ok but without hildonizing its not that easy to use |
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| 02:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
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| 02:04.52 | cehteh | Smhar: depends on what format the mail folders are, iirc thats most often pita with thunderbird |
| 02:05.02 | pAMcSpL | Today will be epic if u get a drunk texts or tweet dat mean I fucks wit u hard imma cry tonight ayeeeee 8kFYv |
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| 02:05.25 | cehteh | i have an imap server running and just copied all mails to imap folders once .. |
| 02:06.36 | cehteh | there are some ways/tools to convert mails from/to different formats.. just try your luck and make a backup |
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| 02:06.50 | Smhar | I am using pop3 to access the mail. most of the mail is old and is not available in the server, only in my computer |
| 02:06.54 | pXZb5L2X6EQEQh | Fuk dis ugly fat ass bitch yo he cn go 2 fuking hell 4 all i give a fuk dude go suk a dik go gt run over jump off a building idgaf bout u n⦠mCbgYKNN3MF |
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| 02:07.27 | nox- | o_O |
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| 02:08.07 | MohammadAG | DON'T! |
| 02:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | what else?? |
| 02:08.24 | MohammadAG | may I? |
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| 02:08.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@*119.148.98.46] by MohammadAG |
| 02:08.46 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*@gateway.web.feenode*] by MohammadAG |
| 02:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-06 04:05:05] *** DocScrutinizer setzt Modus: +b *!*@*.201.88.228.123 |
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| 02:09.04 | MohammadAG | just seen it |
| 02:09.15 | MohammadAG | banning the webchat is a bad move |
| 02:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | fuck the webchat is a fail |
| 02:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | freenode is a fail |
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| 02:09.57 | cehteh | irc is fail |
| 02:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:10.03 | MohammadAG | agreed, private servers ftw, but you can't force 468 users to move |
| 02:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | that too |
| 02:10.19 | TiagoTiago | hm, what did i do? or wasn't me that made me leave the channel? |
| 02:10.31 | cehteh | years ago i wanted to make a p2p messaging system which is wot based .. but never implemented it :P |
| 02:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 02:10.46 | MohammadAG | ChanServ, you're a disgrace to the +o you always have |
| 02:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | nah, was unrelated TiagoTiago |
| 02:11.08 | TiagoTiago | what happened? |
| 02:11.15 | MohammadAG | bots, meh |
| 02:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: no idea |
| 02:11.27 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 02:11.56 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (~panaggio@200-158-190-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 02:12.40 | MohammadAG | bots seem to have moved elsewhere |
| 02:12.43 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by MohammadAG |
| 02:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | now who's /join'ing #freenode and tell them to fix their friggin webchat with a capcha? |
| 02:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nope, not so fast ;-P |
| 02:13.10 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 02:13.14 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 02:13.28 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can have separate contacts catalogs, and copy my current one into a new one? |
| 02:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: alas not |
| 02:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | with default contacts app |
| 02:14.42 | TiagoTiago | is there a program that can interface with the builtin app in order to work like that? |
| 02:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | you can use completely unrelated contacts app from whatever you prefer though, then probably missing ways to copy |
| 02:15.01 | TiagoTiago | like, make a copy, and switch the whole catalog of the builtin app when i tell it ito? |
| 02:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 02:15.18 | TiagoTiago | balls :/ |
| 02:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | none I know of |
| 02:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | you can im/export vcards |
| 02:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | maemo contacts doesn't support any multiple books, or groups, or whatever |
| 02:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 02:17.25 | TiagoTiago | :/ |
| 02:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | no business grade application |
| 02:17.56 | Smhar | how to use 'tab' in xchat in N900? |
| 02:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | tab? |
| 02:18.14 | Smhar | tab key |
| 02:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | do you mean auto completion for nicks? |
| 02:18.22 | TiagoTiago | is the contacts stored as a single file? |
| 02:18.24 | Smhar | yes |
| 02:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | try shift-space |
| 02:18.42 | SpeedEvil | I rebound tab to shift-rightarrow |
| 02:18.48 | SpeedEvil | which workd for me |
| 02:18.55 | Smhar | DocScrutinizer, good, thanks |
| 02:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | shift-space is much better |
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| 02:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | ohla raster |
| 02:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | who's osuosl? :-D |
| 02:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | haha, now freenode checked it and does kline |
| 02:20.11 | SpeedEvil | Oooh - it's a raster. |
| 02:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 02:20.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, bots gone? |
| 02:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, long time no see |
| 02:20.37 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can sandbox programs in maemo? (like, trick the program into thinking it is running in the system itself, but actually it's a copy of the system and it doesn't mess up anything permanently) |
| 02:20.37 | SpeedEvil | Here to tease us with his 14GHz multicore phone prototype with a holographic display, and a fleshlight. |
| 02:20.38 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*@*201.88.228.123] by MohammadAG |
| 02:20.46 | Smhar | DocScrutinizer, I read the log you gave me about overclocking, and I understand now, thank you. but do you recommend 'upgrading' the kernel to the advance kernel without overclocking? and why? |
| 02:20.46 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*@*119.148.98.46] by MohammadAG |
| 02:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 02:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-06 04:19:02] --> RcP3QX hat den Kanal betreten (5db0f1bb@gateway/web/freenode/session). |
| 02:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-06 04:19:02] <-- RcP3QX hat den Server verlassen (Disconnected by services). |
| 02:20.53 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: yes. |
| 02:21.04 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*@*.201.88.228.123] by MohammadAG |
| 02:21.04 | raster | DocScrutinizer: kline? |
| 02:21.10 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: you copy / into /home/data/chroot or something |
| 02:21.15 | raster | SpeedEvil: i deny that allegation |
| 02:21.17 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: and then chroot into that |
| 02:21.17 | TiagoTiago | kinda like how Sandboxie (http://www.sandboxie.com/)( works in Windows |
| 02:21.19 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 02:21.27 | MohammadAG | wonders who the other peeps in the ban list are |
| 02:22.03 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: do you have a clue with linux? |
| 02:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | Smhar: I didn't recommend that, it's just needed for some usecases - like netfilters/iptables for hotspot |
| 02:22.26 | TiagoTiago | not much, no |
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| 02:23.03 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: It's possible, but basically nothing is setup for it, and there is no friendly manner for doing it. |
| 02:23.07 | XOwv3xttiZu | Here wit Dee Sis N Bro We Bored....... Lol U Kan Get Wit Diz U Kan Get Wit Dat<-----Insider..... Well Ya Girlz Iz Bein Stupid Wit Dee Sis.. 8lvxdLaQaLmFb |
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| 02:23.45 | TiagoTiago | seems someone just found some sort of proxy and is teesting how to troll and bypass bans... |
| 02:23.48 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*7794622e@*.119.148.98.46] by MohammadAG |
| 02:23.48 | *** kick/#maemo [XOwv3xttiZu!~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG] by MohammadAG (XOwv3xttiZu) |
| 02:23.50 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: There are some problems, as for example, you cannot have multiple desktops running rasily at once - or two phone-UIs |
| 02:23.51 | b5fn6 | If u actually think I'ma "playboy", I got a futuristic jetpack wit gold trimmings dat u can buy from me for $10. -__- 7Nb3bSnqnQYw |
| 02:24.01 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*c958e47b@*.201.88.228.123] by MohammadAG |
| 02:24.01 | *** kick/#maemo [b5fn6!~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG] by MohammadAG (b5fn6) |
| 02:24.07 | MohammadAG | WTF IS WRONG WITH FREENODE |
| 02:24.11 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@gateway.web.feenode*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 02:24.15 | MohammadAG | lulz |
| 02:24.17 | pronto | o.O |
| 02:24.22 | SpeedEvil | I do as it happens have a design for a hoverboard. |
| 02:24.27 | MohammadAG | might as well ban *@* :P |
| 02:24.31 | SpeedEvil | $60000 or so. |
| 02:24.40 | SpeedEvil | Up to 4Km in 5 minutes. |
| 02:24.49 | SpeedEvil | (6 if you don't want to come back down) |
| 02:24.58 | Smhar | DocScrutinizer, any 'side effect' on using the advanced kernel? reasons not to use it |
| 02:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | fcam won't work, for example |
| 02:25.34 | MohammadAG | recompiled modules work :) |
| 02:26.21 | Smhar | fcam is not used anyway |
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| 02:27.49 | cehteh | video recording doesnt work here with that kernel, no idea why |
| 02:28.20 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@gateway.web.feenode*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 02:28.22 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone else see really bad vignetting with fcam? |
| 02:28.30 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*@gateway.web.feenode*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 02:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | raster: kline?? |
| 02:29.01 | SpeedEvil | Actually - fcam and the stock camera after installing fcam |
| 02:29.23 | raster | <DocScrutinizer> ohla raster |
| 02:29.23 | raster | <DocScrutinizer> who's osuosl? :-D |
| 02:29.23 | raster | <DocScrutinizer> haha, now freenode checked it and does kline |
| 02:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | aah, 3rd line was unrelated |
| 02:29.48 | raster | aaaah |
| 02:29.48 | raster | ok |
| 02:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | weird, seems on #freenode everybody is so busy fighting the web gateway bot attack - nobody even got a 5s to answer my inquiry abot it :-D |
| 02:33.47 | raster | web gateway bot attack? |
| 02:34.06 | xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, what attack? |
| 02:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | see backscroll? |
| 02:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-06 04:23:51] <b5fn6> If u actually think I'ma "playboy", I got a futuristic jetpack wit gold trimmings dat u can buy from me for $10. -__- 7Nb3bSnqnQYw |
| 02:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-06 04:24:00] *** MohammadAG setzt Modus: +b *!*c958e47b@*.201.88.228.123 |
| 02:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-06 04:24:00] *** MohammadAG hat b5fn6 aus dem Kanal geworfen (b5fn6). |
| 02:35.10 | xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, sorry, wasn't here for that, my bouncer probably has it, but I can't access that from my N900 |
| 02:35.22 | xnt14[N900] | ah |
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| 02:39.36 | TiagoTiago | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-06.log.html#t2010-08-06T05:23:51 |
| 02:39.39 | TiagoTiago | there |
| 02:40.02 | *** join/#maemo S_WO (~swo@pD9E3D2B0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:40.09 | TiagoTiago | and there are many other instances of some random named "person" saying things like that in the log |
| 02:40.51 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, thanks. |
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| 02:48.36 | MohammadAG | I'm off |
| 02:48.40 | MohammadAG | might stay on the N900 a bit |
| 02:48.42 | Smhar | Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900? |
| 02:48.44 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG51] by MohammadAG |
| 02:48.47 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by MohammadAG |
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| 02:51.20 | mortini | casually rasterizes raster. |
| 02:51.26 | Smhar | Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900? |
| 02:51.33 | mortini | flattens to layer. |
| 02:52.28 | raster | already is rasterised |
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| 02:53.23 | Smhar | Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900? |
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| 02:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: wut? don't go!! |
| 02:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 02:54.21 | mortini | raster: lies! |
| 02:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | Smhar: they are unrelated. I'd prefer mdir, and imap seems to work sub par on maemo mail app |
| 02:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | so go for pop3 maybe |
| 02:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | ooh claws |
| 02:55.50 | mortini | is claws mail usable on the n900? |
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| 02:55.58 | mortini | does it work on PR1.2? |
| 02:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | no idea bout claws, some are using it I heard |
| 02:57.18 | mortini | i saw it pre-1.2, just never tried it |
| 02:57.33 | xnt14[N900] | Maemo's builtin mail is worthless... it takes forever to load and I have never successfuly been able to send a message, even though my smtp settings are 100% correct. |
| 02:57.48 | mortini | seems most normal linux apps built on n900 are kinda meh to use becuase the UI is for normal linux |
| 02:58.01 | Smhar | mortini, it is stable enough for me |
| 02:58.07 | mortini | xnt14[N900]: i disagree. |
| 02:58.13 | xnt14[N900] | wants a hildonized thunderbird for maemo... |
| 02:58.15 | mortini | xnt14[N900]: it's beyond worthless. |
| 02:58.28 | mortini | I love that it randomly checks email. |
| 02:58.37 | xnt14[N900] | mortini, fine, its good for reading email... |
| 02:58.40 | xnt14[N900] | lol |
| 02:58.41 | mortini | I was on call this week, and at 2am, it decided to check for mail |
| 02:58.49 | mortini | so, it goes BONG |
| 02:59.02 | mortini | for email delivered ~12 hours before |
| 02:59.08 | mortini | xnt14[N900]: not in my experience |
| 02:59.10 | TiagoTiago | I'm having issues sending msgs too :/ |
| 02:59.11 | xnt14[N900] | brb |
| 02:59.21 | mortini | whever i try to read email it says somehting about not being able to read the msg on server |
| 02:59.38 | TiagoTiago | reading haven't been an issue so far though |
| 02:59.57 | mortini | idk, i had to create a seperate account just for the mail client because it can't handle mail of any volume |
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| 03:00.07 | mortini | seriously? grabbing the oldest imap message *first*? |
| 03:00.10 | mortini | That's. Useful. |
| 03:00.57 | Smhar | so for claws-mail in N900, what are the best settings? imap, pop3, mbox, mail-dir? anybody? |
| 03:01.05 | mortini | then again, gotta love libtinymail (note 'tiny'), but it has gtk widgets built into it. |
| 03:01.09 | mortini | stops. |
| 03:03.52 | xnt14[N900] | back |
| 03:05.00 | xnt14[N900] | N900 decides to check email in the middle of math class every single day... :P - Luckily, I have silencer installed... |
| 03:05.08 | xnt14[N900] | @ mortini |
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| 03:05.29 | TiagoTiago | why not enable silence mode? |
| 03:05.40 | TiagoTiago | silent* |
| 03:05.43 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, It does, automatically |
| 03:05.51 | xnt14[N900] | via silencer |
| 03:06.00 | TiagoTiago | oh, i see |
| 03:06.22 | xnt14[N900] | note to self: replace silencer with dbus cron job... |
| 03:06.30 | xnt14[N900] | :P |
| 03:07.24 | xnt14[N900] | hmm, how do I customize the layout/placement of xchat-n900's ui? |
| 03:08.26 | ds3 | 9 |
| 03:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14[N900]: you might want to check out alarmed app |
| 03:12.39 | *** mode/#maemo [-bbb *!*c958e47b@*.201.88.228.123 *!*7794622e@*.119.148.98.46 *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 03:13.57 | TiagoTiago | how do i get the cell broadcast msgs to show? |
| 03:14.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-q peb_!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 03:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: I think they're not supported (yet?) |
| 03:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | a really huge flaw |
| 03:15.06 | TiagoTiago | really? i thought that was part of the standards :/ |
| 03:15.26 | luke-jr | I wonder if Maemo can be instructed to retain the GPRS connection even when out of range |
| 03:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | there's some standards N900 isn't really exactly adhering |
| 03:15.36 | luke-jr | so when you come back in range, any connections still alive resume |
| 03:15.45 | TiagoTiago | that sucks :/ |
| 03:15.53 | luke-jr | what are cell broadcast msgs? |
| 03:15.57 | TiagoTiago | did Nokia give any reasons for that? |
| 03:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, check bugtracker |
| 03:16.17 | TiagoTiago | it's a msg the cell towers send to all mobiles connected to them i think |
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| 03:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: def is correct |
| 03:16.49 | TiagoTiago | over here usually the msgs say the operator name and the area code |
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| 03:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: check bug #10987 for example. Not exactly CB, but similar issue |
| 03:17.46 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * <foo> rendering issue |
| 03:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | oops, wrong number |
| 03:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, that is better: http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/ |
| 03:18.40 | TiagoTiago | are the CB msgs avaiable via xterminal at least? |
| 03:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | you can try with pnatd |
| 03:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | but I think it won't work |
| 03:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | as pnatd is really brainless |
| 03:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | I fear it's not implemented in cellmo modem firmware |
| 03:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | but tbh I haven't checked bugtracker yet |
| 03:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | if anywhere there is some info about it, then it's in bugtracker |
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| 03:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 03:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | moo Termana |
| 03:27.21 | Termana | yello |
| 03:27.48 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@gateway.web.feenode*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 03:28.14 | xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, k |
| 03:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | as if those bots know when the got no more chance |
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| 03:28.31 | luke-jr | I hate how Maemo gets slower and slower as it's running |
| 03:28.39 | luke-jr | nice and snappy after a fresh boot |
| 03:29.00 | TiagoTiago | seems it's bug-8347 |
| 03:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: swap fragmentation |
| 03:29.15 | xnt14[N900] | luke-jr, lol, 17 days uptime here, running as smooth as ever... but I had to kill trackerd a few times |
| 03:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | bug #8347 |
| 03:29.21 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: something like that |
| 03:29.21 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 03:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 03:29.33 | luke-jr | xnt14[N900]: killing trackerd left me without photos for weeks â¹ |
| 03:30.31 | luke-jr | don't know what Nokia was smoking when they did 256 MB RAM + 768 MB swap |
| 03:30.39 | TiagoTiago | wow, i've just installed the flashlight thingy, those leds are awfully bright!! X.X |
| 03:30.45 | luke-jr | if the device can't run on 256 MB RAM, they should have just put in 512 or 1G |
| 03:30.51 | Termana | TiagoTiago, they go brighter |
| 03:31.02 | Ken-Young | THen they go out. |
| 03:31.03 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: it's not so bright when you're in pitch dark â¹ |
| 03:31.49 | TiagoTiago | i've just looked straight into them and i'm still seeing the after image, and the lighting in my room isn't dark at all |
| 03:33.16 | xnt14[N900] | luke-jr, heh, well, it was just wasting time indexing all of my RFCs on my sd |
| 03:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | yup, those are nice. But I'd wish flashlight wasn't that clumsy to activate :-S |
| 03:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | should switch ON as soon as cam lens slide is opened |
| 03:34.10 | TiagoTiago | i've turned off the lights and tried waving it around, and it does look like they work as a decent flashlight |
| 03:34.23 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what if you just want to take photos? |
| 03:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | then switch them off |
| 03:34.47 | TiagoTiago | yeah, having to close the camera pp and then going for the desktop menu is kinda clunky |
| 03:34.51 | luke-jr | I take photos more often than I use flashlight ⺠|
| 03:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not mind to do that by clicking 5 times |
| 03:34.59 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: don't have to close it⦠:p |
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| 03:35.31 | luke-jr | I'd use the accelerometers |
| 03:35.33 | TiagoTiago | oooooh, that is nice |
| 03:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: pretty simple solution: make state of flashlight sticky |
| 03:35.45 | luke-jr | if it's portrait, flashlight by default |
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| 03:35.50 | luke-jr | if landscape, camera |
| 03:35.59 | TiagoTiago | thuogh having to go to the desktop is still a few too many steps |
| 03:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, or that |
| 03:36.14 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: no need to go to desktop⦠|
| 03:36.30 | luke-jr | I was wrong |
| 03:36.37 | luke-jr | flashlight won't activate w/ Camera app running |
| 03:36.43 | TiagoTiago | "unable to initialize flashlight, camera is in use by other application |
| 03:36.45 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 03:37.05 | luke-jr | also |
| 03:37.14 | luke-jr | WTF is with Camera refusing to run when you're in a phone call? |
| 03:37.15 | TiagoTiago | why can't more than one program use the camera at the same time? |
| 03:37.19 | luke-jr | just because it can't play a click sound? |
| 03:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | most convenient thing though: switch from flashlight to cam mode on clicking the trigger button |
| 03:37.55 | TiagoTiago | "audio in use by another application" |
| 03:38.43 | TiagoTiago | why somtimes programs can use audio at the same time but others they cant? |
| 03:38.47 | Termana | luke-jr, click sound is the best part of the experience. Means you know your about to get smacked in the face from someone you were taking pictures off without their acknowledgement |
| 03:39.18 | luke-jr | the click sound is like a second before it takes the pic⦠|
| 03:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | profile : silent |
| 03:39.29 | Termana | Also, its illegal in some countries to not play a click sound of some sort, I believe |
| 03:39.32 | TiagoTiago | btw, is there a way to change the "taking a photography" sound to somthing other than analog camera inspired sounds? |
| 03:39.34 | Termana | Japan(?) |
| 03:39.37 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: does the Camera app work then? |
| 03:39.53 | TiagoTiago | in my N73 i set it to that hitting somthign metal sound |
| 03:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, but the click sound is allegedly muted |
| 03:40.38 | Termana | Tried it |
| 03:40.39 | TiagoTiago | those laws about takign a picture sound are dumb, many actual cameras are silent |
| 03:40.40 | Termana | It does |
| 03:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: sure, just swap the audio file |
| 03:40.49 | TiagoTiago | no GUI? that's lame |
| 03:41.07 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: if you have such an actual camera, you are required by law to say "click" first |
| 03:41.18 | Termana | lol |
| 03:41.30 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | "CLICK!" |
| 03:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | just took a screenshot of Termana and TiagoTiago LOLing |
| 03:42.21 | luke-jr | what about video mode? |
| 03:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick |
| 03:42.39 | xnt14[N900] | lol |
| 03:42.48 | xnt14[N900] | *snap* |
| 03:42.53 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:43.02 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you missed about 90% of the frames! |
| 03:43.03 | xnt14[N900] | well, its still more of a click... |
| 03:43.35 | xnt14[N900] | SLR: cluck,click! |
| 03:43.48 | xnt14[N900] | my slr does that |
| 03:43.49 | xnt14[N900] | :P |
| 03:44.20 | TiagoTiago | video mode does dink-dink in my N900 , also unnaceptable |
| 03:44.50 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, hmm, never heard anything in vid mode... |
| 03:45.02 | xnt14[N900] | but that red light is a dead giveaway... |
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| 03:45.23 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 03:45.45 | xnt14[N900] | once I was in class and wanted to record the teacher discretely, and had an almosts stock N900... |
| 03:45.49 | TiagoTiago | is there a way to control the LEDs while the camera is running? |
| 03:45.54 | xnt14[N900] | it was a problem :P |
| 03:46.07 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, I believe there is... |
| 03:46.09 | TiagoTiago | ducktape over the led Xp |
| 03:46.16 | xnt14[N900] | lol |
| 03:46.29 | xnt14[N900] | in the middle of science class? xD |
| 03:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/play-sound camera_snd_title_?.wav |
| 03:47.11 | TiagoTiago | why is there the need for a night mode if there is already an automatic mode? why the automatic doesn't automaticly go into night mode? |
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| 03:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/camera_snd_title_?.wav |
| 03:47.51 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, perhaps the autodetection wasnt good enough for nokia... |
| 03:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | actually |
| 03:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | night mode for example doesn't try to autofocus afaik |
| 03:48.47 | TiagoTiago | is the image dark? go into night mode; how hard is that? |
| 03:48.55 | cehteh | nightmode is completely different |
| 03:49.17 | cehteh | you dont want that always at night |
| 03:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | the viewfinder is laggy, due to long exposure time |
| 03:49.43 | TiagoTiago | is ther ea fully manual camera (photo and video) with geotagging, that isn't in -dev or -test? |
| 03:49.44 | cehteh | nightmode is a incremental exposure |
| 03:50.07 | xnt14[N900] | I wonder if its possible to write a daemon which uses the accelerometers to lock sthe screen when its in my pocket (and I forget to lock it) |
| 03:50.15 | cehteh | not just longer shutter speed (as if there was a shutter anyways :P) |
| 03:50.18 | TiagoTiago | use the proximity sensor? |
| 03:50.30 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, oh, right :P |
| 03:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14[N900]: there's proximity-foo app for that |
| 03:50.54 | xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, /me apt-cache searches |
| 03:50.57 | TiagoTiago | how exactly does it work? is it some sort of sonar or just a photocell that senses when it gets darker or somthing? |
| 03:51.03 | cehteh | use all sensors together ... |
| 03:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14[N900]: - the foo maybe :-D |
| 03:51.15 | xnt14[N900] | hmm |
| 03:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: some kind of optical sonar |
| 03:51.41 | xnt14[N900] | or use the front facing cam, so when its dark, lock phone? |
| 03:51.43 | TiagoTiago | radar then? |
| 03:51.49 | xnt14[N900] | during the day hours |
| 03:51.56 | cehteh | proximity closed, its dark and accelerometer indicates the device is portrait or reverser portrait |
| 03:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | optic, not RF |
| 03:52.06 | xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, IR bases i think... |
| 03:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | it's IR actually |
| 03:52.12 | xnt14[N900] | *based |
| 03:52.27 | TiagoTiago | what is it called then? IRADAR? |
| 03:52.54 | cehteh | again i really wonder why no one came up with a front cam yet which can be used for all this .. light sensor, proximity sensor and cam |
| 03:53.10 | xnt14[N900] | cehteh, hmm, thats a good idea, but won't polling the sensors be bad for batt life? |
| 03:53.10 | cehteh | little hardware and bit more software hacking |
| 03:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: OMNIA 9000 |
| 03:53.51 | xnt14[N900] | hmm |
| 03:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | but cam modules are actually greedy with power |
| 03:54.09 | cehteh | xnt14[N900]: well needs a specially designed cam for that, little more autonomous with a tiny dsp only monitoring a 16x16 pixel array and shutting the rest down or something likle that |
| 03:54.18 | xnt14[N900] | has a completely random question: which phone did you have before the N900? |
| 03:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | openmoko FreeRunner |
| 03:54.38 | xnt14[N900] | bb perl 8100 here |
| 03:54.40 | TiagoTiago | some image sensors allow for changing which pixels are used, so i imagine using jsut the centermost pixel to save battery could work |
| 03:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 03:54.42 | cehteh | and look at optical mouses .. basically these are 16x16 pixel cams with an incredible high framerate |
| 03:54.59 | cehteh | and these run for months on simple aaa cells |
| 03:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope they don't |
| 03:55.30 | cehteh | mine does :) |
| 03:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | they go to suspend and get activated by accelerometer |
| 03:55.48 | cehteh | well the cam thing isnt always on there is good powersaving |
| 03:56.03 | cehteh | but you can do the same with a speciall rigged vga front cam |
| 03:56.11 | xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, lol, I had an iPhone 3G before the bb, I got sick of the absolutely crap battery life and switched to my cousin's old curve |
| 03:56.43 | cehteh | you poll enviromental brightness once every second, that means activating the sensor 1ms or so |
| 03:56.48 | cehteh | really should be doable |
| 03:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's how OMNIA does it |
| 03:57.32 | cehteh | as proximiy sensor you need little dsp work and maybe ir illumination |
| 03:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | I don't like it |
| 03:57.49 | cehteh | why not? |
| 03:57.55 | cehteh | not good? |
| 03:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't work reliably |
| 03:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | not good |
| 03:58.33 | cehteh | well that only means this technology could be improved |
| 03:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 03:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | but a dedicated ALS is muuuuch cheaper than development of such a special critter |
| 03:59.25 | cehteh | depends on how much you need |
| 03:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 03:59.49 | cehteh | if you could deploy millions in every phone nokia produces then its prolly cheap enough |
| 04:00.01 | TiagoTiago | is there a VNC server for the N900? |
| 04:00.16 | cehteh | or even if TI does that and any brand phone company uses it |
| 04:00.23 | cehteh | TiagoTiago: yes |
| 04:00.27 | cehteh | x11vnc |
| 04:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, maybe not. Production cost may exceed that of ALS + cheap VGA cam + 20ct IR proximity sensor |
| 04:01.02 | TiagoTiago | is it on the main extra? |
| 04:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
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| 04:01.29 | cehteh | well space savings and more design flexibility, less space required on the front for optical devices |
| 04:02.23 | TiagoTiago | i've once read about this idea for usign pulsign LEDs for touch/proximity sensing, perhaps a screen with RGB+IR pixels could work like that |
| 04:03.58 | cehteh | there are developments to make every screen pixel a ccd too |
| 04:04.17 | cehteh | you can (ugly, low res) scan documents with such |
| 04:04.23 | cehteh | and use it as touchscreen |
| 04:04.38 | cehteh | maybe in some years such technology is ready |
| 04:04.45 | TiagoTiago | yeah, would be awesome |
| 04:04.59 | cehteh | if we dont prefer brain implants instead :P |
| 04:05.42 | TiagoTiago | perhaps since each pixel cna work as proximity sensor, you might even be able to have short range 3D sensing, you would be able to simply wave your finger over instead of on the screen, no more finger prints! :D |
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| 04:06.22 | luke-jr | nah |
| 04:06.27 | luke-jr | then touchscreens just gain mouseover |
| 04:06.28 | luke-jr | :P |
| 04:06.36 | TiagoTiago | :P |
| 04:06.42 | luke-jr | what I really want are RGBA touchscreens |
| 04:07.04 | luke-jr | which are possible, to an extent, but not designed AFAIK |
| 04:07.26 | TiagoTiago | I think a RGB-UV screen would look great, more realistic purples |
| 04:08.15 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 04:08.15 | luke-jr | I think A is more important than UV |
| 04:08.15 | luke-jr | :p |
| 04:08.15 | TiagoTiago | alpha? |
| 04:08.15 | luke-jr | and more supportable by software probably |
| 04:08.15 | luke-jr | yes |
| 04:08.15 | luke-jr | if A is 100%, the pixel is transparent |
| 04:08.17 | luke-jr | if A is 0%, opaque |
| 04:08.22 | TiagoTiago | that would be kidna like a transreflective screen without the reflective part? |
| 04:08.24 | luke-jr | for embedding in glasses |
| 04:08.54 | TiagoTiago | perhaps a grayscale LCD behind a transparent OLED screen |
| 04:09.11 | luke-jr | ⦠|
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| 04:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | ultracool autoadjusting sunglasses come for free |
| 04:09.16 | luke-jr | greyscale is white to black |
| 04:09.20 | luke-jr | not transparent to black |
| 04:09.21 | cehteh | hey .. pin a poststamp at the inner side of your glasses .. put them up and try to read |
| 04:09.38 | luke-jr | cehteh: I don't understand focus. ⺠|
| 04:09.39 | TiagoTiago | well, LCD whitout the background part is black and transparent |
| 04:09.47 | cehteh | i have a lot negative dioptries .. but still 1cm focus isnt easy :) |
| 04:10.04 | luke-jr | cehteh: how can you spoof distance to a single eye? |
| 04:10.19 | TiagoTiago | stereokinetic illusion? |
| 04:10.20 | cehteh | you need some optics or a laser system which projects something directly on the retina |
| 04:10.29 | TiagoTiago | ah, that type of depth |
| 04:10.34 | cehteh | hey thats a retina display :) .. but well ba careful |
| 04:10.53 | luke-jr | no other method? |
| 04:11.01 | cehteh | microlenses? |
| 04:11.13 | cehteh | well that wont be transparent |
| 04:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | DLP |
| 04:11.32 | cehteh | i opt for the laser projection .. but i dont want to be a tester :) |
| 04:11.37 | TiagoTiago | organic transparent lasers mounted on transparent micromecanic mounts |
| 04:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | plus microbeamer |
| 04:11.42 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 04:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | err projector |
| 04:11.48 | cehteh | dlp needs optics too |
| 04:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | not for the alpha |
| 04:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, afk |
| 04:13.27 | TiagoTiago | is there a program for attributing shortcuts to dragging from outside to inside the screen (perhaps only while int he desktop) ? |
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| 04:38.44 | Termana | lol - http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1881050881.html |
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| 04:52.20 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 05:05.09 | psycho_oreos | the cow has landed! :p |
| 05:05.41 | RST38h | wonders if he should look at him-cellwriter |
| 05:05.57 | RST38h | The original author is no longer working on it (or so it seems) |
| 05:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | cellwriter? |
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| 05:12.31 | TiagoTiago | do you know of somthing like Hotspot Shield ( https://www.hotspotshield.com/ ) for the N900? |
| 05:13.42 | MiXu- | TiagoTiago: Are you asking for a vpn client, or a service? |
| 05:13.55 | MiXu- | I use vpnc to use my company vpn |
| 05:14.02 | TiagoTiago | service |
| 05:14.42 | MiXu- | I think you can use any service that vpnc can connect to. |
| 05:14.47 | TiagoTiago | somthign to let me use public wifi hotspots without worrying about people snooping on the data i'm sending to the air, without me having to set up an endpoint to conect to the itnernet |
| 05:15.15 | TiagoTiago | i mena, without me having to setup my home PC to share the internet over the VPN |
| 05:16.15 | MiXu- | You don't have to |
| 05:16.22 | TiagoTiago | which service do you sugegst? |
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| 05:16.31 | MiXu- | There's OpenVPN that I know of |
| 05:16.40 | MiXu- | But I'm sure there are plenty others as well |
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| 05:17.05 | TiagoTiago | isn't that one jsut to conect machines instead of offering a secure way to connect tot he internet? |
| 05:17.38 | MiXu- | Hmm. You're probably right. |
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| 05:25.39 | TiagoTiago | any services like what i descrived that you know of? |
| 05:29.09 | TiagoTiago | gah, my usb port is starting to have a bitt of wiggle side to side Dx |
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| 05:35.11 | slonopotamus | TiagoTiago: i'd suggest backuping before it falls off completely :) |
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| 05:36.12 | TiagoTiago | i poked the pulg with the stylus and it seems to be rock solid, but with the charger plug plugged it can wiggle side to side a bit, should i be worried? |
| 05:37.14 | slonopotamus | you should, yep |
| 05:37.23 | TiagoTiago | Dx |
| 05:37.52 | slonopotamus | mine fell off ~ after one week after it started moving a bit |
| 05:37.52 | TiagoTiago | is there a tutorial somewhere on how to file down the plug so it won't put so much stress on the socket? |
| 05:38.04 | TiagoTiago | crap |
| 05:38.35 | slonopotamus | TiagoTiago: somewhere on t.m.o. ppl said they use epoxide |
| 05:38.58 | slonopotamus | TiagoTiago: however, if you have warranty, better take it to repair service |
| 05:39.03 | TiagoTiago | i'm not even sure i can get Nokia care to gimme a replacement over here, i only saw news about the N900 being officially sold by Nokia in my country a week or so ago |
| 05:39.23 | TiagoTiago | my father brought mine from the US this last weekend |
| 05:40.27 | slonopotamus | TiagoTiago: repairs either solder it back or just replace whole motherboard depending on damage |
| 05:40.37 | TiagoTiago | and to make things worse the only authorized Nokia care thingy is on the other side of the town |
| 05:40.58 | TiagoTiago | should i test if it is wiggling witht he data cable too? |
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| 05:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | no you shouldn't be worried of the actual thing, as that's pretty normal that the plug is slighly loose |
| 05:42.35 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: you should be if it wasn't initially, but is now. |
| 05:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | aha |
| 05:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | well you must know better than me, I never dealt with hardware in my life |
| 05:45.20 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: i just saw how it happened to mine n900 |
| 05:45.30 | TiagoTiago | I have a Dualshock3 SIXAXIS that originall had a stiff (but easy to plug/unplug) plug, i keep it connected all the time since i can't get it work via blutooth in Windows, it now has the same side to side wiggle, but after lots of falls, tugging and fallign from having the cable stuck inthe chair arm etc it seems to still be working without any noticeable issues, do you think i can expect the... |
| 05:45.31 | TiagoTiago | ...same from my N900? |
| 05:45.33 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, :D |
| 05:45.50 | TiagoTiago | originally* |
| 05:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: at least I got 2 N900 here, a new one and a 9 month old one, and both have some clearance with both charger and CA-101 |
| 05:47.29 | Termana | I don't RECOMMEND you tug, pull, make fall, or get stuck in the chair arm - any part or cable of your n900 |
| 05:47.39 | Termana | But it will probably take some bashing |
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| 05:49.49 | luke-jr | TiagoTiago: it's a known problem that the USB socket breaks on N900. I wouldn't bet on it being ok |
| 05:50.05 | luke-jr | that said, I've personally never had any problems |
| 05:50.13 | slonopotamus | tekojo: do you also believe everything your computer says you via irc client application? :) |
| 05:50.14 | slonopotamus | oh, wrong chan |
| 05:50.16 | luke-jr | but then, I also don't use the N900's included USB cable either, so that might be why |
| 05:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: to be precise and give you a better idea, the clearance is about ~1/2 the cable thickness at end of plug sideways, and quite a bit *less* up/down. End positions feel quite hard and defined |
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| 05:50.54 | TiagoTiago | i currently got zero up/down wiggle |
| 05:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's ok |
| 05:51.17 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 05:52.12 | tekojo | slonopotamus: naturally! |
| 05:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | you are a donut, YOU ARE A DONUT! |
| 05:53.30 | TiagoTiago | i can't send email using the builtin email thingy :( |
| 05:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | oops, probably also wrong chan ;-D |
| 05:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: then check your settings |
| 05:54.43 | TiagoTiago | they match what i have on my desktop machine |
| 05:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 05:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | well, I can send mail with same program |
| 05:55.22 | TiagoTiago | are you using Gmail? |
| 05:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 05:55.43 | TiagoTiago | could that be the difference? |
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| 05:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 05:56.22 | Termana | TiagoTiago, did you actually select Gmail rather than Other when you set the account up? |
| 05:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I'd never use gmail, I need nobody read my mail on my behalf |
| 05:58.15 | TiagoTiago | yeah, that's kinda annoying |
| 05:58.25 | TiagoTiago | but there is little alternative |
| 05:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'd also never use 8.8.8.8 or 4.4.4.4 for DNS server |
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| 05:58.44 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, evil google is after you! |
| 05:58.51 | Termana | :P |
| 05:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | haha, *I* am after *them* |
| 05:59.09 | mece | Termana, thanks for reminding me... Ghostery... |
| 05:59.25 | TiagoTiago | I wish everyone would just use PGP encryption int heir emails so i can keep using Gmail without Google reading my msgs |
| 05:59.50 | Termana | TiagoTiago, I am a Google employee. |
| 05:59.58 | slonopotamus | hehe :) my wife uses "mount" to mean "go together with". like, "i think this blouse doesn't mount with this skirt" |
| 06:00.01 | Termana | It is my job to hand transcribe each email to make sure it is right |
| 06:00.15 | Termana | And we store the data |
| 06:00.18 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can see what exactly the client and the server say to each other when it is failing to send the msg? |
| 06:00.26 | Termana | with our jiggwatt server farms |
| 06:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | checkmarks "crypt" option in contact TiagoTiago |
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| 06:00.41 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how about 4.2.2.2? |
| 06:00.59 | mece | slonopotamus: LOL that guy doesn't mount that chick... erm.. |
| 06:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I got my own "private" DNS and I know the IP by heart |
| 06:01.21 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I think usually when people's wives use "mount", they mean "sit on" |
| 06:01.34 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: 128 bits is a lot to memorize |
| 06:01.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, is it hap.py.end.ings |
| 06:01.44 | Termana | ? :P |
| 06:01.47 | mece | LOL |
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| 06:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 06:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | IPv6 - you're kidding? |
| 06:02.48 | luke-jr | [01:02:30] [Whois] luke-jr is ~luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d (Luke-Jr) |
| 06:02.50 | Termana | :P |
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| 06:03.25 | luke-jr | less than a year until IPv4 is filled |
| 06:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist ~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg reisenweber) |
| 06:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | :-P :-P |
| 06:03.35 | mece | ok.,.. maemo gives (or tries to) give my data to google analytics and quantcast, apparently. |
| 06:03.49 | luke-jr | anyone without IPv6 still is in for a big y2k-crisis |
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| 06:04.05 | mece | luke-jr, any day now... |
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| 06:04.15 | Termana | hello crashanddie |
| 06:04.24 | crashanddie_ | hiya |
| 06:04.38 | crashanddie_ | what's the gmail MfE server? |
| 06:04.44 | crashanddie_ | for calendar |
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| 06:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: how's that? my DNS server's IPv4 won't vanish any time soon, even when the whole internets go IPv6 |
| 06:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe google fo it? X-P |
| 06:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | (MfE) |
| 06:08.24 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, well, google on the n900 is only giving me french results which are useless, lol |
| 06:08.31 | luke-jr | lol |
| 06:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 06:08.35 | luke-jr | reminds me of Garage |
| 06:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 06:08.40 | luke-jr | stupid site only gives me Japanese -.- |
| 06:10.04 | crashanddie_ | guesswork did the trick |
| 06:10.07 | crashanddie_ | m.google.com |
| 06:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | damn, lemme delete all my real contacts and create addr and phone of O. BinLaden and donald duck, then I *must* finally start to use that cool shit |
| 06:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, and facebook of course. Mustn't miss facebook |
| 06:13.47 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, make sure you use Windows and Outlook, to ensure best privacy! |
| 06:13.50 | Termana | :P |
| 06:14.09 | TiagoTiago | I really shouldn't have created my contacts the way i did, now it's a pain to figure out which number is the current one and which is the old one with the contacts merged :/ |
| 06:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | mmmpf, I *knew* there's been something odd with my IT |
| 06:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | wrong OS |
| 06:14.25 | mece | So who's going to sonisphere? |
| 06:14.33 | pupnik | my gf |
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| 06:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | Openmoko gone to inonosphere - and beyond |
| 06:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, one Freerunner, but nevertheless |
| 06:16.27 | luke-jr | ? |
| 06:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | DLR |
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| 06:17.48 | TiagoTiago | can i undo all the merges i did in my contacts? |
| 06:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | Freerunner actually been first (open free linux) phone going outer space |
| 06:18.19 | ieatlint | outer space? a freerunner? |
| 06:18.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 06:18.26 | ieatlint | you know outer space means out of earth orbit |
| 06:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | ask mickey |
| 06:19.11 | TiagoTiago | Can i make the OVI suite contacts overwrite the catalog ont he device? |
| 06:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok if that's the definition then probably not. Instead I think it even returned to earth |
| 06:19.48 | luke-jr | ieatlint: impossible! :D |
| 06:19.55 | ieatlint | i'm going to guess it was just in a weather balloon that went to the stratosphere |
| 06:19.56 | luke-jr | everything orbits Earth |
| 06:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: nope, I heard it was a rocket and it was in space |
| 06:20.26 | ieatlint | i know people who've launched htc dreams that high several times... but i guess not an "open" linux phone |
| 06:20.38 | ieatlint | huh, weird |
| 06:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | stratosphere pahh, doing that every weekend I guess |
| 06:21.26 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 06:21.37 | ieatlint | a $30 weather balloon and a few bucks in helium and done |
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| 06:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that SpeedEvil who's doing baloon |
| 06:22.38 | ieatlint | well, the device is a decent battery operated linux device |
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| 06:22.46 | TiagoTiago | it will be awesome when a material is developed that is stiff and light enough that you can make a baloon out of it, and then suck all the air out and have it be a vacum baloon |
| 06:23.05 | mece | TiagoTiago: LOL |
| 06:23.16 | mece | TiagoTiago: yes, that would be very useful. |
| 06:23.23 | mece | Oh right.. *bonk sel* |
| 06:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: such material exists since ages |
| 06:23.35 | mece | s/sel*/self*/ |
| 06:23.37 | TiagoTiago | what is it? |
| 06:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | it's called helium :-P |
| 06:23.49 | TiagoTiago | you can't make a baloon out of helium, it's a gass |
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| 06:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | sure you can - fill it into some plastic hull and it's nicely baloon shaped |
| 06:25.10 | TiagoTiago | then it is plastic with helium inside, isntead of unobtainium with nothing inside |
| 06:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's helium with nothing else inside |
| 06:26.14 | TiagoTiago | i fuck, it hought OVI suit e would show me the conflicts, isntead it fucking merged both catalogs Dx |
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| 06:27.29 | TiagoTiago | ok, how can i erase allt he contacts int he device and in OVI suite so i can get them from my old cell phone and start from scratch? |
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| 06:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p1456 (100km, so not exactly stratosphere) |
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| 06:32.54 | ieatlint | haha, yeah, 100km... that's a little ways up :P |
| 06:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p14569 |
| 06:34.17 | ieatlint | haha |
| 06:34.54 | ieatlint | i'm impressed it didn't freeze, i see essentially no insulation |
| 06:37.55 | TiagoTiago | freeze? what was there to freeze? it is all solid parts already! |
| 06:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg49762.html |
| 06:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | FSO \o/ |
| 06:38.39 | TiagoTiago | if anything, it probably run a little bit faster |
| 06:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | FSO FTW |
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| 06:40.17 | mece | wow.. Mandelbulb exploration! Spectacular! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5fXGqeM5c |
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| 06:41.12 | TiagoTiago | fuck, i tried transfering the contacts from my old mobile and isntead it deleted the stuff i had delted on my N900, all of it Dx |
| 06:41.56 | pupnik | wow mece -- wow |
| 06:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | btw rhat Michael Lauer there is this http://maemo.org/profile/view/mickeyl/ and we got http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue >>I'm the architect behind the freesmartphone.org middleware project and would like to port this to run on the N900.<< :-) |
| 06:42.55 | stonda | mece: have a look on thread here also - http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=7296 |
| 06:45.24 | TiagoTiago | I've really fucked thigns up, no original contacts, all of the merged mess in all the devices and on OVI suite, this really gonna be a PITA to organize now :( |
| 06:45.44 | ieatlint | TiagoTiago: most components have a min operating temp |
| 06:45.44 | mece | stonda: head explodingly awesome :D |
| 06:45.51 | mece | compiling for N900 in a bit... |
| 06:45.59 | ieatlint | the lcd sure... but you aren't presumably looking at that while it's on a rocket |
| 06:46.05 | ieatlint | but other things can fail |
| 06:46.15 | ieatlint | sorry, distract, just got a new laptop, installing linux |
| 06:46.39 | mece | heh.. ok might not exactly work on n900.. |
| 06:46.39 | TiagoTiago | really? i thought they would just run like kinda overclocked |
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| 06:47.08 | pupnik | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mandelbulber/ |
| 06:47.12 | pupnik | nice |
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| 06:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: restore backup :-P |
| 06:49.05 | TiagoTiago | hm, in the N900? |
| 06:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 06:49.13 | TiagoTiago | that could be the way to go |
| 06:49.18 | pupnik | universe is too freaky-awesome |
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| 06:49.33 | mece | pupnik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9ugnn8DbE |
| 06:49.50 | mece | pupnik: the borg! |
| 06:50.50 | TiagoTiago | so i jsut restore "communication & calendar", right? |
| 06:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 06:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | at least I'd think so |
| 06:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget to make another backup first :-P |
| 06:52.16 | TiagoTiago | too late :/ |
| 06:53.28 | Stskeeps | maemo.org is rapidly going down the path of the giraffe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c |
| 06:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | never restore a backup without doing a backup of the system state before backup restore |
| 06:53.49 | TiagoTiago | well, so far it seems everythign went ok |
| 06:54.58 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can preview what is gonna be done before actually performing the synch? |
| 06:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly how to schedule automatic backups on N900 |
| 06:56.59 | mece | Stskeeps: hahaha! yeah :D |
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| 06:57.08 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, with the force |
| 06:57.15 | Termana | zzzzshoooo |
| 06:57.29 | Termana | Also, |
| 06:57.46 | Termana | Stskeeps, bad boy, linking to stuff that is blocked in certain countries |
| 06:57.47 | Termana | :P |
| 06:57.54 | Stskeeps | silly countries |
| 06:58.09 | mece | Stskeeps: I'm waiting for the whiners to abandon ship so we can start having fun again. |
| 06:58.26 | Termana | mece, meego.com sounds like the place for you! |
| 06:58.28 | Termana | :P |
| 06:58.28 | Stskeeps | mece: i'm starting to have fun in meego.com, personally |
| 06:58.37 | Stskeeps | it feels more like itt in the old days |
| 06:58.46 | Stskeeps | Termana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usm9SpnHYJQ&feature=related |
| 06:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 06:59.13 | infobot | i heard xyawn is sleep |
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| 06:59.21 | mece | Stskeeps: Well the discussions there are more on your level than mine.. |
| 06:59.36 | Stskeeps | mece: hopefully it'll get better over time |
| 07:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | n8 |
| 07:01.44 | Termana | good night DocScrutinizer |
| 07:02.41 | Termana | Stskeeps, oh... my... god. That video hit me on such a deep level. The video is an almost EXACT description of tmo :P |
| 07:03.14 | mece | Termana, except tmo is more like a hippo imo. But yeah. |
| 07:03.59 | TiagoTiago | hm, OVI suite is not seeing the restored contacts |
| 07:04.46 | TiagoTiago | it's only seeing the stale version of the catalog :\ |
| 07:04.48 | mece | wait, does ovi suite support n900 now? |
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| 07:05.03 | TiagoTiago | cotnacts and a few other things, not 100% though |
| 07:06.58 | pupnik | maturity isn't a function of age |
| 07:07.59 | timeless | does ovi suite run on osx yet? |
| 07:08.06 | TiagoTiago | that i dunno |
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| 07:10.47 | TiagoTiago | isn't there some sort of emulator that woudl let you run WinXp inside Mac OS? |
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| 07:11.54 | mece | timeless: no just windows |
| 07:15.49 | TiagoTiago | hm, the restored contacts aren't visible, but if i create a new cotnact it sees it |
| 07:17.49 | jacekowski | morning |
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| 07:19.43 | SwedeMike | does the N900 have any firewalling by default? in that case, what tool is used to administrate it? I can't find ipchains or iptables or anything like that? |
| 07:20.19 | X-Fade | SwedeMike: Well that explains your question then :) |
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| 07:22.32 | MiXu- | does a usable & reliable spotify client exist for N900? |
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| 07:22.49 | SwedeMike | X-Fade: well, my problem is that the kernel doesn't seem to get responses to it's IPv6 NS packets, and I'm trying to figure out why a packet I see in tcpdump on the N900 doesn't really "make it" to the kernel. If there is no firewall, I can't really think of anything else. |
| 07:24.13 | jacekowski | since when n900 supports ipv6? |
| 07:24.22 | MiXu- | It doesn't. |
| 07:24.33 | jacekowski | well, that would explain the problem |
| 07:25.33 | timeless | there's a nokia labs in california which offered an ipv6 stack for testing |
| 07:26.21 | timeless | can't find it |
| 07:26.29 | timeless | it requires precisely pr1.2 |
| 07:26.37 | timeless | something before or after and you'll have a brick |
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| 07:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | after??? o.O |
| 07:28.58 | jacekowski | timeless: pr1.3? |
| 07:29.05 | cehteh | power-kernel supports v6 or? .. well prolly all applications are compiled without v6 support :P |
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| 07:30.43 | drizztbsd | cehteh: you can use firefox |
| 07:30.49 | drizztbsd | microb does not support ipv6 |
| 07:30.53 | Termana | In This Channel: Fools who haven't realized Nokians have later versions than the PR releases and that Nokia is working on an N900 Maemo update |
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| 07:31.06 | Termana | (past 1.2) |
| 07:31.15 | cehteh | www support over v6 is really the least important thing |
| 07:31.38 | cehteh | i am thinking more about openvpn, ssh and other networking tools (vnc?) |
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| 07:32.00 | timeless | fwiw we also have versions post the final release for the n8x0 |
| 07:32.08 | X-Fade | Termana: But as we say, that doesn't imply it will ever get released. |
| 07:32.08 | jacekowski | that's already working |
| 07:32.15 | timeless | so just because we have such versions doesn't mean they see the light of day |
| 07:32.25 | cehteh | show it or it doesnt exist :P |
| 07:32.29 | mece | timeless, that's just evil. |
| 07:32.44 | timeless | sadly, from what i heard about the n8x0 case, it had a fix for a regression which was included in the last shipping version |
| 07:32.45 | timeless | .... |
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| 07:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: that's nothing new. But I always thought Nokians get lynched and shot when using a single word regarding that fact in public :-P |
| 07:34.21 | timeless | docscrutinizer: afaik we only get lynched if we're dumb enough to make commitments |
| 07:34.41 | jacekowski | so you said that there will be pr1.3? |
| 07:34.43 | timeless | the idea that there'd be a newer version of software isn't a secret |
| 07:35.04 | timeless | jacekowski: that's the sort of thing you will not hear me say |
| 07:35.16 | Termana | To my knowledge, someone did make a commitment to a 1.3 |
| 07:35.35 | Wolfie | to my knowledge, someone did make a commit to 1.3 |
| 07:35.36 | timeless | not I! |
| 07:35.42 | cehteh | rather wonders why nokia tries to package all as a huge update instead rolling some smaller things out |
| 07:35.48 | MiXu- | Who did? :) |
| 07:35.53 | cehteh | for example a new modest version :P |
| 07:35.53 | MiXu- | "someone" |
| 07:36.09 | Termana | My super secret insiders? Kidding :P |
| 07:36.12 | pupnik | cehteh: because the model is still "firmware" |
| 07:36.13 | Termana | I think it was Quim |
| 07:36.13 | timeless | cehteh: i suspect we think we need to get certified |
| 07:36.15 | jacekowski | cehteh: because small upgrades break less things, but break them more often |
| 07:36.29 | Termana | ~whattoexpect |
| 07:36.31 | cehteh | timeless: by whom? |
| 07:36.34 | timeless | which means that any change has to go through some heavy bits |
| 07:36.42 | Termana | infobot, nuke infobot |
| 07:36.43 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 07:36.46 | timeless | cehteh: well. officially the browser changing requires a flash certification |
| 07:36.52 | MiXu- | cehteh: It's a nightmare trying to sort things out if there are 1000000 different combinations of packages a user could have. |
| 07:36.53 | timeless | which costs about a month |
| 07:37.01 | cehteh | timeless: poor nokia :) |
| 07:37.09 | timeless | plus, if we ship 30 randomly different "platforms" |
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| 07:37.22 | timeless | our devs will curse us more than if we only ship 3 randomly different "platforms" |
| 07:37.29 | cehteh | MiXu-: this is already the case on a debian derived platform with community repositories |
| 07:37.48 | MiXu- | cehteh: So let's make it worse by releasing a new update every week? :) |
| 07:38.05 | timeless | cehteh: oddly nokia thinks it can do better and not upset potential commercial groups |
| 07:38.12 | cehteh | well i dont really care .. but i bet even if 1.3 is in the works we wont see it this year, if ever and not canceled later |
| 07:38.20 | timeless | you do not make friends w/ companies by constantly changing your API surface |
| 07:38.28 | MiXu- | cehteh: Aren't you an optimist :) |
| 07:38.33 | cehteh | timeless: yeah upset your paying users .. nice thinking :P |
| 07:38.37 | timeless | note that MS made friends for 2 decades by maintaining compatibility |
| 07:38.52 | timeless | cehteh: paying users don't like platforms that have no apps |
| 07:39.08 | timeless | it's better for there to be slightly annoyed app devs writing things |
| 07:39.12 | timeless | than app devs walking away |
| 07:39.15 | Termana | I must have been mistaken, its not Quim who has his name down on the page |
| 07:39.18 | Wolfie | timeless: that story about the SimCity mode in win95 is pretty exemplary :) |
| 07:39.20 | cehteh | well i really have no much faith in nokia, nice device but for the software, i dont really expect that it will work much better than now, at least not by nokias efforts |
| 07:39.20 | Termana | http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect#What_are_the_officially-confirmed_major_feature_in_future_Maemo_5_release_.3F |
| 07:39.21 | timeless | if you only have to target 3 platforms |
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| 07:39.39 | Termana | Konttori has commited to 1.3. In a round about way |
| 07:39.53 | cehteh | timeless: chasing apple .. trying, failing ... |
| 07:40.03 | Termana | So, fry him if it doesn't come |
| 07:40.08 | timeless | it's managable |
| 07:40.10 | Termana | Not timeless! :P |
| 07:40.15 | timeless | thanks :) |
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| 07:40.53 | timeless | fwiw, konttori is a fairly good English speaker, and makes a reasonably good politician as devs go |
| 07:41.02 | timeless | so i doubt he specifically committed to 1.3 |
| 07:41.12 | Termana | lol :P |
| 07:41.26 | timeless | (most finns are not good at either, so i wouldn't make the same assumption in the average case) |
| 07:41.30 | cehteh | meego wont change that, i like it and it will become a great platform (hopefully) but trying to make it like iTunes and a apps platform just because apple does so will certainly fail (and i dont care) |
| 07:41.40 | Termana | cehteh, you don't expect it to work much better than now? That's fine - what functionality do you believe your actually missing that isn't there now? |
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| 07:41.54 | timeless | frowns |
| 07:42.06 | cehteh | Termana: oh i could give you a long list |
| 07:42.11 | pupnik | http://osxdaily.com/2010/08/05/70-of-college-freshman-use-macs/ study shows 70% of college freshmen using Macs |
| 07:42.18 | cehteh | no working (as in useable) email client still |
| 07:42.29 | timeless | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000054.html |
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| 07:42.41 | timeless | is the simcity w95 story in case people don't recognize it (i didn't recall it) |
| 07:42.44 | MiXu- | As for the content, I feel that navigation is the only thing that N900 should have had but didn't ship with. The rest is just fixing performance and reliability. |
| 07:43.21 | TiagoTiago | ok, if i export the contacts, then import them, OVI suite will see them, but that caused duplciates of every contact in the N900, so i deleted everything and then imported again,a nd now OVI suite sees them and no duplciates int he device |
| 07:43.41 | Wolfie | timeless: oh, i thought it was a pretty common example. Should've linked to it, probably |
| 07:43.49 | MiXu- | TiagoTiago: There's an application that can be used to merge duplicate contacts |
| 07:43.50 | cehteh | Termana: more up to date kernel with better communication between nokia and commmunity would be nice too (there are quite a lot improvements in lets say 2.6.32 with is a lts kernel) |
| 07:43.56 | MiXu- | Facebook migrator or something like that |
| 07:44.16 | TiagoTiago | well, now it's too late, i've already manually selected 511 cotnacts to be deleted and deleted them |
| 07:44.25 | Termana | cehteh, MeeGo will bring a new kernel, and it will continue to be pushed forward |
| 07:44.32 | Termana | Including having it eventually all mainlined |
| 07:44.34 | timeless | wolfie: i know of various quirks |
| 07:44.42 | timeless | i really should know that one but.. |
| 07:44.48 | cehteh | meego wont be on the n900, at least not offically as consumer OS right? |
| 07:45.04 | MiXu- | I wouldn't hold my breath |
| 07:45.05 | cehteh | R&D aside |
| 07:45.19 | Termana | cehteh, it depends entirely what you define officially as |
| 07:45.23 | TiagoTiago | will all official Meego versions be x86 isntead of ARM? |
| 07:45.23 | Wolfie | cehteh: i'd expect it to be a community thing, but not an official Nokia thing |
| 07:45.30 | cehteh | as in nokia offering a flashable official image |
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| 07:45.44 | kerio | OSes aren't for consumers |
| 07:45.51 | Wolfie | (community, in the same sense as py/qt are currently) |
| 07:45.52 | Termana | cehteh, you wont get it as a flashable image, its too big. But there will be images built weekly soon |
| 07:46.03 | Termana | (to go on your SD card) |
| 07:46.23 | cehteh | so how about functionality? camera, phone, gps? |
| 07:46.26 | Stskeeps | Termana: we just uploaded our first |
| 07:46.33 | Termana | cehteh, it should all eventually come |
| 07:46.39 | cehteh | really? |
| 07:46.44 | Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php , go nuts |
| 07:46.51 | Stskeeps | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=6642&postcount=93 |
| 07:46.51 | cehteh | i dont hold my breath |
| 07:46.53 | Wolfie | cehteh: wasn't it ~publicly acknowledged that N900 is the internal testing platform for mobile meego? |
| 07:46.54 | Termana | cehteh, the N900 is the MeeGo ARM reference platform, if they left out features, it really wouldn't be a great reference would it |
| 07:46.55 | timeless | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2003/10/15/55296.aspx BOZOSLIVEHERE is great |
| 07:47.11 | Wolfie | so, if it works inside of Nokia's walls, it'll probably eventually work outside them too |
| 07:47.14 | cehteh | Wolfie: yes .. but it was never saied that it will be a release platform |
| 07:47.23 | kerio | yay |
| 07:47.29 | Termana | cehteh, define release. |
| 07:47.48 | Wolfie | cehteh: no. But i don't see a reason to explicitly break compatibility, once N900 gets a proper meego replacement for the nokians |
| 07:47.57 | cehteh | devloping and testing apps on the n900 (without support for all device features like phone,gps,cameras) it wont be much useful except for development |
| 07:48.06 | Termana | cehteh, Put it this way, you'll get it, but you cant call support for it |
| 07:48.17 | kerio | meego is colorful and cute ^_^ |
| 07:48.19 | cehteh | lets see .. |
| 07:48.27 | Wolfie | and i wouldn't be all too surprised if some of the paid meego guys would do some skunkworks projects to keep meego working happily on the n900 |
| 07:48.57 | Wolfie | Termana: how many times have you actually picked up the phone, and called nokia for support for your phones? |
| 07:48.58 | crashanddie | excellent comment http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1745238&cid=33157030 |
| 07:49.07 | Stskeeps | Wolfie: we're a rather large team paid to work on meego for n900 hardware adaptation |
| 07:49.18 | Termana | Wolfie, never actually |
| 07:49.21 | cehteh | there are enough closed blobs in maemo on the n900 which will make a meego port without nokias commitment really hard, if not impossible |
| 07:49.31 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: and if every little bit helps: thanks. |
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| 07:49.35 | Wolfie | Stskeeps: i suspect no less. But I thought that my scenario would be a minimum |
| 07:49.44 | Wolfie | Termana: i think i rest my case, then |
| 07:49.47 | Termana | cehteh, thats a load of turd, I'm sorry. |
| 07:49.57 | Stskeeps | Wolfie: feel free to track #meego-arm, we do our work in the open |
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| 07:50.11 | TiagoTiago | Where can i read Nokia's excuse for keeping parts of Maemo5 closed source? |
| 07:50.13 | Stskeeps | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=777374&postcount=135 |
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| 07:50.35 | Stskeeps | cehteh: phone stack on APE side is getting opened |
| 07:50.39 | Wolfie | Stskeeps: thanks, but i'm not too interested in dev builds. I'll wait eagerly for the moment when a safe maemo->meego conversion can be made, though |
| 07:50.42 | SwedeMike | jacekowski: the power kernel supports ipv6 (supposedly, others use it) |
| 07:50.48 | Termana | The worst closed blob is BME. The others are flexible to get working without commitment from Nokia |
| 07:51.42 | Wolfie | Termana: but you might be interested in #meego-arm |
| 07:51.53 | frals | Stskeeps: is there a list of what works in that build or do i need to find a spare device and test it? :D |
| 07:51.53 | Termana | Wolfie, I'm *in* #meego-arm |
| 07:51.58 | Termana | :P |
| 07:52.01 | Wolfie | oh :D |
| 07:52.15 | cehteh | Stskeeps: show it else it doesnt exist .. well i dont want to hold my breath, but i am only pessimist, while i still hope and see a real chance that this all may happen including fulyl functional meego support (by community) on the n900 |
| 07:52.32 | Wolfie | oh, well, i might as well join, for the gossip, if for nothing else |
| 07:52.41 | cehteh | but for now its just hope and lukewarm wishes in few parts |
| 07:52.44 | Stskeeps | cehteh: hang on |
| 07:53.01 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: why are you opped? |
| 07:53.18 | cehteh | Stskeeps: i wanted to say that i dont hang on, but if it eventually happens it will still be great |
| 07:53.31 | Stskeeps | cehteh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=776781#post776781 |
| 07:53.34 | alterego | Nokiaare setting up an auto builder for the closed source components which shows at least a mid term commitment to us getting the closed blobs |
| 07:53.35 | Stskeeps | note the first items |
| 07:53.59 | Stskeeps | cehteh: this is actually happening, so |
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| 07:54.24 | cehteh | yes .. call me when finished :) |
| 07:54.36 | Stskeeps | we might, once voice calls work |
| 07:54.39 | alterego | What I'd like to see though, as Nokia are dropping maemo is the opening of all the Maemo applications .. |
| 07:54.40 | timeless | http://web.archive.org/web/20030919002207/geonic.net/lib/development/win/petzbook/ could be an amusing read.. |
| 07:54.43 | Termana | Stskeeps, :D |
| 07:54.58 | Stskeeps | alterego: frankly, too much effort for too little benefit |
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| 07:55.02 | alterego | Even if they can't open the driver blobs. They can open the apps. |
| 07:55.14 | crashanddie | alterego: won't happen. Maemo 4 didn't get OS'd |
| 07:55.21 | Termana | alterego, I think thats a silly request. Don't you think any closed app code is going to be used later on? |
| 07:55.23 | alterego | How much effort to dump a source tarball .. |
| 07:55.28 | Termana | In Harmattan even for example? |
| 07:55.28 | Stskeeps | alterego: big, actually |
| 07:55.30 | TiagoTiago | hm, i can't change the name of a contact field int he N900 like how i could in the N73? |
| 07:55.34 | Stskeeps | alterego: legal reviews is a huge portion |
| 07:55.54 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: how did you do it on the N73? |
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| 07:55.56 | cehteh | Stskeeps: if the hardware is all supported then i would install a community supported meego on my phone (even replacing maemo) ... |
| 07:56.04 | alterego | ghey, it should have all been open from the start ... |
| 07:56.24 | Stskeeps | cehteh: but yeah, we're working hard on hardware support |
| 07:56.27 | crashanddie | alterego: trolly mood today? :P |
| 07:56.28 | alterego | The GPL removes any liability ... |
| 07:56.31 | TiagoTiago | Options:Edit Label |
| 07:56.37 | Stskeeps | alterego: not if you gpl stuff you don't own |
| 07:56.42 | cehteh | i mean meego shouldnt make anything worse, and the only benefit is, that its slightly more future proof |
| 07:57.01 | alterego | Stskeeps: Nokia don't own the media player front end? |
| 07:57.13 | alterego | The don't own calendar and contacts ui? |
| 07:57.35 | cehteh | apropos what will be the default email client on meego? |
| 07:57.36 | Stskeeps | alterego: everything has to be checked to verify that the resulting gpl'ed code isn't tainted - it's good nokia does this as you can trust what they release is good stuff |
| 07:57.49 | Stskeeps | cehteh: we are speaking of meego from meego.com and not harmattan, right |
| 07:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | (<Termana> The worst closed blob is BME. The others are flexible to get working) nonsense |
| 07:57.56 | TiagoTiago | crashanddie: with the detail in question selected, i pressed Options and then Edit Label |
| 07:58.12 | alterego | Hrm, what about giving oyut the sourcve under NDA and letting me submit patches :) |
| 07:58.21 | cehteh | Stskeeps: speaking about meego on the n900 , and possibly any successor device |
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| 07:58.28 | cehteh | while i dont plan to buy a new one |
| 07:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: the worst closed things are: GPS, Camera FW, GFX accel |
| 07:58.44 | Stskeeps | camera fw is open, actually |
| 07:58.50 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: mce, bme, dsme |
| 07:58.57 | Stskeeps | and other things being opened in regard to that, i believe |
| 07:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nonsense, dsme is open |
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| 07:59.09 | RST38h | EHLOs Stskeeps |
| 07:59.11 | cehteh | ah ok |
| 07:59.28 | Stskeeps | goes back to work |
| 07:59.29 | alterego | Is the control panel open? |
| 07:59.37 | alterego | Network config UI? |
| 07:59.42 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Camera FW is actually closed and owned by camera manufacturer :) |
| 07:59.48 | alterego | I don't want maemo to die :( |
| 08:00.00 | crashanddie | timeless: interesting to read that windows 2.0 finally allowed "overlapping windows rather than the "tiled" windows found in the earlier versions of Windows", considering that one of the features of Windows 7 is to be able to use tiled disposition of multiple windows. |
| 08:00.06 | RST38h | Stskeeps: But the framework to use the camera (FCam) is open and it is complete enough not to need the FW |
| 08:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: thanks, that's what I thought |
| 08:00.10 | alterego | But I do want to fix some of the issues with the apps ... |
| 08:00.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: actually no, there's one blob that's uploaded and it's open |
| 08:00.26 | Stskeeps | RST38h: rest is userspace algorithms |
| 08:00.34 | RST38h | Doc: But you really do not need the camera fw, no more than you need the baseband FW |
| 08:00.39 | Stskeeps | RST38h: there might be some ROM but so it goes |
| 08:01.03 | RST38h | Stskeeps: From my talks with Nokians, the camera is pretty self-contained |
| 08:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: actually I'd need the cam FW much more than the GSM stack |
| 08:01.14 | RST38h | Stskeeps: and running some manufacturer fw internally |
| 08:01.19 | alterego | Stskeeps: what about GPS then? We've reversed some of the protocol ourselves but are unable to load agps ephemeris data .. |
| 08:01.29 | Stskeeps | alterego: i don't know about gps as we haven't discussed that yet |
| 08:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: unless it's a really good and open API |
| 08:01.35 | RST38h | Doc: Use FCam, it does everything |
| 08:01.47 | RST38h | Doc: Not sure if it si good, but at least it is complete |
| 08:01.48 | alterego | Stskeeps: let us know when you do please? :) |
| 08:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | does it slow motion? |
| 08:01.56 | RST38h | Doc: Yes, think so |
| 08:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 08:02.07 | alterego | GPS and SGX are my love :D |
| 08:02.09 | RST38h | Doc: in the sense that you can make pictures in very rapid succession |
| 08:02.22 | Stskeeps | SGX, go picket imgtec |
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| 08:02.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, like 100fps |
| 08:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | 200fps |
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| 08:02.44 | RST38h | alterego: Somehow, it sounds like a sexual deviation |
| 08:02.50 | alterego | RST38h: DocScrutinizer fcam API is pretty good. Not Qt based but it is good :) |
| 08:03.02 | RST38h | Doc: I do not think the hw can go this fast: it needs to shift data out after all |
| 08:03.20 | alterego | Streams 640x480 at 25fps |
| 08:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: without proper support from FW for sure not |
| 08:03.36 | alterego | I've not got any data faster .. |
| 08:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise no problem |
| 08:04.20 | alterego | And I've not tried streaming higher res |
| 08:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | if it can scale (5MP vs 640x480) and it can do VGA @ 25fps, then it can clock out 320x240 @ 100fps |
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| 08:06.22 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: only if the firmware or whatever handles frame streaming allows that |
| 08:06.35 | alterego | The 25fps might be "hard coded" ... |
| 08:07.16 | crashanddie | w00t at Google's multiple account sign-in |
| 08:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: [2010-08-06 10:03:25] <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: without proper support from FW for sure not |
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| 08:07.41 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: for surrounds analysis? |
| 08:07.44 | alterego | crashanddie: openid? :) |
| 08:07.50 | TiagoTiago | i would imagine there might be a limit for per pixel FPS that even if you get ask for less pixels you can't get more FPS |
| 08:08.31 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I have a hard time seeing any use of 320x240 for anything else, even with 100fps |
| 08:08.31 | alterego | Heh |
| 08:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: VHS isn't any better than that |
| 08:08.51 | TiagoTiago | damn, custom label names aren't recognized by OVI suite, seems there is little chance i'll get them on N900 :( |
| 08:09.12 | crashanddie | well, sure, but we'd have to see about compression then |
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| 08:09.35 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: though, it's been a while that I've watched a VHS, and am not unhappy because of it :P |
| 08:09.57 | alterego | And the tmo flavour of today "Will Nokia support meego on N900" omg .. |
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| 08:10.21 | alterego | Someone should to a meego N900 wikipage for this rubblish |
| 08:10.26 | BCMM | i thought it was already decided that they shouldn't? |
| 08:10.56 | BCMM | typo, meant wouldn't |
| 08:11.04 | BCMM | i meant won't, even |
| 08:11.13 | BCMM | ok, breakfast first, then typing, sorry |
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| 08:11.56 | TiagoTiago | I need a way to have a field that is a cell phone, but has additional data associated with it (besides home and commercial variations) |
| 08:11.59 | RST38h | Doc: Do look at FCam, it may allow changing resolution |
| 08:12.19 | RST38h | Doc: And do try to understand that if the camera does not support this, then no firmware will help you |
| 08:12.38 | jacekowski | there is nothing that can help him |
| 08:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I think I'm too tied, I read "try to understand..." |
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| 08:13.35 | alterego | Depends on what "support" means in this context, supporting getting MeeGo working on N900 yes, supporting N900 with community build of MeeGo or Harmattan with Ovi and closed apps, not f*cking likely :) |
| 08:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | tired even |
| 08:14.21 | BCMM | what's Ovi good for anyway? |
| 08:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | need no castor oil? |
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| 08:14.52 | timeless | bcmm: laughs? |
| 08:14.53 | alterego | BCMM: it might not be great at the moment but it will take eventually I'm sure. |
| 08:15.19 | BCMM | the bit i've used is ovi maps |
| 08:15.22 | alterego | I also noticed MeeGo is supposedly supporting community repository. |
| 08:15.24 | BCMM | sure, it's improving |
| 08:15.26 | Termana | alterego, Nokia is willing to license things out for redistribution if the community is able to make Harmattan work on the N900 |
| 08:15.37 | BCMM | open alternatives are improving an order of magnitude faster though |
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| 08:15.56 | alterego | Termana: how can we make Harmattan available if we don't have source? :) |
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| 08:16.10 | Termana | alterego, working with binaries is doable |
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| 08:17.05 | alterego | I guess we have to wait, also, what do they plan on doing? giving us the harmattan firmware images for the next device if you have an N900 so we can try and adapt? |
| 08:17.14 | alterego | I can't see that happening. |
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| 08:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha |
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| 08:18.33 | Termana | alterego, thats just being a pessimist in the situation. We'll see what they allow and what they don't when it comes time. |
| 08:19.15 | BCMM | alterego: come to think of it, what exactly do you mean by Ovi? |
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| 08:19.32 | alterego | BCMM: ovi app store. |
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| 08:19.42 | alterego | The web services will obviously work :P |
| 08:19.42 | BCMM | isn't the brand approximately as meaningful as .net was, back when it referred to 15 different things? |
| 08:19.44 | BCMM | ah |
| 08:20.31 | alterego | I'm so tired of Adobe Flash rants :/ |
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| 08:21.57 | D-Iivil_Work | _o/ |
| 08:22.27 | BCMM | can feel 30 people trying not to Adobe-Flash-rant at alterego now |
| 08:22.42 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 08:22.48 | pupnik | flash sucks |
| 08:22.54 | D-Iivil_Work | flash is overrated. |
| 08:22.56 | pupnik | so does android |
| 08:23.51 | D-Iivil_Work | "downloading SetupSMM_Maemo_Europe.zip, 10hours 59minutes left (20.1 kbps)" argh |
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| 08:24.55 | alterego | I really don't use flash much on the N900 just youtube really ... |
| 08:25.24 | kerio | robot unicorn attack is unplayable :( |
| 08:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | IP over pigeon? |
| 08:25.32 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, same here. But I don't even use youtube's website. If I feel like watching video from tube I just use dedicated app. |
| 08:25.56 | alterego | Not tried the dedi app |
| 08:26.12 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, mediabox works guite good. |
| 08:26.17 | alterego | I usually watch videos embedded in facebook or blogs etc .. |
| 08:26.33 | alterego | Might check it out at some point :) |
| 08:27.02 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, minitube is also very promising. |
| 08:27.03 | alterego | Does it use flash to play the video or can it stream like the iPhone with H264 or whatever? |
| 08:27.07 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, just needs to be hildonized. |
| 08:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil_Work: maybe change from Morse to something more contemporary, like ADSL? |
| 08:27.19 | alterego | Hahah |
| 08:27.43 | D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, clever.. maybe Sygic needs to update their connection to something more proper one... |
| 08:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, maybe yes |
| 08:28.00 | D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, my current 100/10 connection works just fine :) |
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| 08:28.24 | D-Iivil_Work | But Sygic... omg. They didn't learn anything after they had same issue with releasing MM9. |
| 08:28.43 | D-Iivil_Work | They said they will upgrade their bandwidth, but does not seem to be true. |
| 08:29.13 | D-Iivil_Work | LOL :D Now it says "2days, 8hours left (7,8kbps) :-P |
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| 08:30.43 | mece | kerio, is that in the repos? |
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| 08:32.49 | frals | D-Iivil_Work: where do you get a proper connection like that in .fi :( |
| 08:33.06 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, cable. |
| 08:33.24 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, cable-tv company. |
| 08:33.48 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, welho to be more specific. |
| 08:34.34 | frals | D-Iivil_Work: is it any good? do they throttle traffic or any stuff like that? |
| 08:34.51 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, so far has been what I've expected :) |
| 08:34.54 | frals | i was looking at them but it said something about no servers at all allowed in their ToS so i dunno |
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| 08:35.11 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, actually its 110/5, not 110/10 like I said. |
| 08:35.46 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, I've ran my server for three months and no complains so far. Allthough I've used it only for my own purposes, it's not "public". |
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| 08:36.10 | frals | alright, might take a closer look at them again |
| 08:36.27 | frals | only problem is that as soon as you try to order on their site it always changes the language to finnish :/ |
| 08:37.06 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, actually few years back there was "law suit" going on where they said that ISP cannot tell you not to run your server. Court said that it's "normal" use and customer is allowed to do that. |
| 08:37.15 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, google translator is your friend :) |
| 08:37.51 | sulx | hard do define a server |
| 08:37.59 | D-Iivil_Work | sulx, yeah. |
| 08:38.16 | sulx | what if you play online game that uses p2p |
| 08:38.33 | sulx | then it serves something |
| 08:38.39 | sulx | thus being server |
| 08:38.42 | frals | D-Iivil_Work: yeah, but https > translate.google.com so have to copy paste or find some firefox addon to inline translate :p |
| 08:39.03 | frals | D-Iivil_Work: btw, whats the termination time etc? ie how soon can i terminate it if im unhappy |
| 08:39.04 | frals | :P |
| 08:39.14 | D-Iivil_Work | frals, dunno really :D |
| 08:39.20 | sulx | month maybe |
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| 08:41.14 | kerio | mece: no, flash game |
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| 08:47.19 | mece | kerio, noticed. did you try flashvertweak? |
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| 08:56.32 | style | Any ideas why n900 doesn't send callers number to computer via bluetooth (CallerID)? computer recieves signal that phone is ringing, but it doen't get number |
| 08:57.11 | timeless | style: probably wasn't implemented |
| 08:57.27 | timeless | the underlying code is BlueZ |
| 08:57.31 | timeless | is it implemented there? |
| 08:57.37 | style | dunno |
| 08:57.52 | timeless | if so, it's probably a failing of the UI designer to recognize that it should be required |
| 08:58.01 | timeless | if it isn't, then someone would have to add it to bluez first |
| 08:58.13 | timeless | feel free to find/file a bug in bugs.maemo.org |
| 08:58.21 | style | :/ |
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| 08:59.05 | timeless | would you prefer to feel restricted/prohibited/banned from doing so? |
| 08:59.27 | crashanddie | who need to be banned? |
| 08:59.37 | crashanddie | needs** |
| 09:00.13 | style | timeless: wtf |
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| 09:03.29 | Termana | crashanddie, Private I, on the case, with banhammer in hand |
| 09:04.07 | Termana | You see an empty room with a door to the right |
| 09:04.19 | Termana | You can: look, e |
| 09:04.52 | crashanddie | e |
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| 09:05.42 | crashanddie | LAGGGG |
| 09:05.53 | Termana | You go through the door, and find people that are quite disturbed and look like they are from a forum of some kind |
| 09:06.06 | Termana | You can: throw style in there, w |
| 09:06.21 | crashanddie | other options? |
| 09:06.39 | Termana | Other options: stop complaining about lag |
| 09:06.52 | crashanddie | which shortcut is that? |
| 09:07.23 | Termana | I don't understand "which shortcut is that?", please use help if you need help |
| 09:07.32 | crashanddie | w |
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| 09:07.44 | Termana | You go through the door into the empty room |
| 09:07.51 | Termana | You can: look, e |
| 09:08.35 | Termana | A goblin appears and says "you can also quit the game!" |
| 09:08.44 | Termana | The goblin hops away |
| 09:09.09 | crashanddie | q |
| 09:09.30 | Termana | Good bye |
| 09:09.38 | Termana | sets mode +o Termana |
| 09:10.03 | Termana | :P |
| 09:10.40 | Termana | I don't wield the power of the chanop unfortunately. |
| 09:10.57 | Termana | And I'm not so good at convincing bots that I do either :P |
| 09:12.13 | Termana | crashanddie, so, your new job, what is it? |
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| 09:12.39 | crashanddie | c++ dev, starting monday |
| 09:12.56 | toggles_w | ? |
| 09:13.08 | Termana | ah not too bad I guess, as long as you don't go mad programming C++. Congratulations :) |
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| 09:22.53 | crashanddie | Termana: well, it's only one side. The long-term goals are to open source the project and then build a consultancy part to the company |
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| 09:23.19 | crashanddie | Termana: and considering my open source background and consultancy background, I'll be quite involved in that too |
| 09:23.32 | TiagoTiago | Why we are not allowed to use logwith more than one Skype account at once? |
| 09:24.13 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: because even the desktop client doesn't allow it? |
| 09:24.31 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: it's part of the Skype ToS, nothing to do with Maemo in particular |
| 09:24.40 | TiagoTiago | Oh, i see, it is just one client |
| 09:24.42 | TiagoTiago | really? |
| 09:24.51 | jacekowski | yes, really |
| 09:25.05 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago: well, you can have multiple computers logged in to the same account at once |
| 09:25.06 | TiagoTiago | do you got a link to that handy? |
| 09:25.14 | crashanddie | but not one computer to multiple accounts |
| 09:25.17 | jacekowski | yeah, skype ToS |
| 09:25.27 | jacekowski | lmgtfy.com/?q=skype+tos |
| 09:25.28 | TiagoTiago | the TOS saying you can't login¨to two accounts int he same machine at once |
| 09:25.53 | TiagoTiago | thanx, 'ill go read |
| 09:26.11 | TiagoTiago | oh, it's that site :/ |
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| 09:46.22 | xnt14 | morning #maemo |
| 09:48.20 | ham5 | g'day xnt14 |
| 09:49.13 | xnt14 | ham5: its morning here :P |
| 09:49.17 | xnt14 | Fri Aug 6 05:49:17 EDT 2010 |
| 09:49.26 | psycho_oreos | its evening here |
| 09:49.29 | psycho_oreos | 19:49:26 |
| 09:49.38 | ham5 | lets talk time |
| 09:49.40 | ham5 | shall we |
| 09:49.48 | Weiss | international IRC rules state that it's always "morning" when someone joins (and always evening when someone leaves) |
| 09:49.51 | psycho_oreos | tick tock tick tock |
| 09:50.07 | ham5 | irc rules dont pm me unless I ok it!! |
| 09:50.11 | ham5 | irc rules pffff |
| 09:50.21 | xnt14 | Weiss: have you ever read eastern standard tribe by cory doctorow? |
| 09:50.30 | Weiss | hehe, should I? |
| 09:50.40 | crashanddie | Weiss++ |
| 09:50.45 | xnt14 | Weiss: yes, definately |
| 09:50.48 | xnt14 | http://craphound.com/est/ |
| 09:52.36 | crashanddie | xnt14: "definitely" |
| 09:52.47 | xnt14 | and its completely cc licensed |
| 09:52.48 | timeless | crashanddie++ |
| 09:52.55 | timeless | xnt: it's |
| 09:53.25 | xnt14 | crashanddie: I had practically no sleep last night, spent the entire night reading books |
| 09:54.14 | crashanddie | xnt14: I'm just trying to help :) It's the most misspelt word in English, so... |
| 09:54.32 | timeless | crashanddie: before "it's"? :) |
| 09:54.38 | crashanddie | yup |
| 09:55.02 | crashanddie | well, "it's an its" is more a grammar mistake than a spelling mistake |
| 09:55.06 | MohammadAG51 | sends timeless and crashanddie to ##english |
| 09:55.11 | xnt14 | crashanddie: lol, ok |
| 09:55.39 | xnt14 | MohammadAG51: good morning btw :P |
| 09:55.59 | MohammadAG51 | nothing's good about it |
| 09:56.02 | xnt14 | MohammadAG51: random question: how do you say "good morning" in arabic? |
| 09:56.27 | crashanddie | xnt14: salam 'haleyk'um |
| 09:56.37 | MohammadAG51 | lol no |
| 09:56.42 | crashanddie | well, yeah |
| 09:56.46 | xnt14 | crashanddie: thats a horrible romanization :P |
| 09:56.51 | crashanddie | depends where I guess |
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| 09:57.26 | crashanddie | xnt14: really depends on the language, that's the dutch romanisation, french romanisation is "salamalëikoum" |
| 09:57.28 | xnt14 | usalamalaiykam - good point though |
| 09:57.47 | xnt14 | (thats sorta how its romanized in pakistan) |
| 09:57.54 | MohammadAG51 | that's not good morning anyways |
| 09:58.04 | crashanddie | or sabah el kheir, or marhaba |
| 09:58.05 | xnt14 | MohammadAG51: true, thats just hello |
| 09:58.17 | MohammadAG51 | marhaba is hello |
| 09:58.32 | crashanddie | yeah, I don't know the proper translations |
| 09:58.39 | crashanddie | just used them when I met people |
| 09:58.44 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 09:58.47 | xnt14 | crashanddie: where did you learn arabic :P |
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| 09:58.59 | MohammadAG51 | xnt14, 4chan |
| 09:59.01 | crashanddie | traveling |
| 09:59.07 | xnt14 | do you by any chance know urdu or hindi? |
| 09:59.10 | xnt14 | MohammadAG51: lol |
| 09:59.28 | crashanddie | xnt14: yeah, I worked with a guy who spoke urdu, and my girlfriend speaks tamoul |
| 09:59.45 | xnt14 | crashanddie: kya hal ha? (can you translate that?) |
| 09:59.59 | crashanddie | xnt14: i'm good, thanks |
| 10:00.20 | crashanddie | and in hurdu, the reply was... men tik hunk |
| 10:00.23 | crashanddie | or something |
| 10:00.28 | xnt14 | lol, |
| 10:00.36 | MohammadAG51 | now say it in C++ |
| 10:00.41 | MohammadAG51 | gets some popcorn |
| 10:00.42 | xnt14 | ma theek ho |
| 10:00.45 | crashanddie | cout << "men tik hunk"; |
| 10:00.58 | MohammadAG51 | you didn't specifiy namespace |
| 10:01.09 | TermanaN900 | fuckoff(MohammedAG51); |
| 10:01.12 | TermanaN900 | some C for you |
| 10:01.13 | xnt14 | epically fails at romanization of urdu :P |
| 10:01.14 | TermanaN900 | biatch |
| 10:01.16 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 10:01.30 | MohammadAG51 | stfu(TermanaN900); |
| 10:01.36 | xnt14 | TermanaN900: *MohammadAG |
| 10:01.37 | MohammadAG51 | return 1; |
| 10:01.43 | xnt14 | :P |
| 10:01.44 | crashanddie | xnt14: ah, not too far off |
| 10:02.08 | xnt14 | crashanddie: what do you travel for? research, work, or fun? |
| 10:02.14 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, you should use the namespace std you n00b! |
| 10:02.34 | MohammadAG51 | (has anyone wondered why they called it std) |
| 10:02.35 | crashanddie | mazirat shata huun, kia aap ise dobara ke sakte heins |
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| 10:03.11 | crashanddie | does that make any sense at all? |
| 10:03.16 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 10:03.21 | xnt14 | well, the second part |
| 10:03.44 | crashanddie | I don't remember if I asked to speak slowly, or where the bathroom was |
| 10:03.48 | xnt14 | what are you doing with it again? |
| 10:04.08 | TermanaN900 | MohammadAG51, std, for you know standard |
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| 10:04.23 | TermanaN900 | STanDard |
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| 10:04.52 | TermanaN900 | also you have sex with C++ and your diseased for life |
| 10:04.56 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 10:05.16 | crashanddie | < mandk> Enter text here...hi |
| 10:05.17 | crashanddie | < mandk> hello there.....lol |
| 10:05.28 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.44 | crashanddie | Someone didn't understand the point of "Enter text here..." |
| 10:05.47 | ham5 | got pics of me and your mom |
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| 10:06.22 | crashanddie | ham5: you're this close |<---->| (actual size) from getting a time out. |
| 10:06.36 | Jaffa | Morning |
| 10:06.40 | crashanddie | hey Jaffa |
| 10:06.47 | Robot101 | moin |
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| 10:07.08 | crashanddie | xnt14: meri urdu karab hai |
| 10:07.10 | xnt14 | Jaffa: Ohayou |
| 10:07.37 | xnt14 | crashanddie: ok, koi problem nei hai, muje be nei pata ha koi lafuz |
| 10:07.44 | crashanddie | oh shit you lost me |
| 10:07.49 | xnt14 | (lol, the last part was sorta fail) |
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| 10:08.07 | xnt14 | "crashanddie: ok, there is no problem, I also don't know some words" |
| 10:08.28 | xnt14 | thats the literal translation |
| 10:08.32 | crashanddie | kk |
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| 10:08.54 | xnt14 | Jaffa: thats good morning in japanese btw |
| 10:09.15 | crashanddie | xnt14: litterally pronounced "Oh hi you"? |
| 10:09.35 | crashanddie | in which case, japanese might be very easy to learn |
| 10:09.47 | xnt14 | hmm, I guess so... but the rest of japanese isn't _that_ easy |
| 10:09.51 | crashanddie | :D |
| 10:10.07 | crashanddie | "Are you in pain?" == "Opainyou" |
| 10:10.18 | xnt14 | Oyasumi Nasai! (Good Night) |
| 10:10.22 | xnt14 | lol |
| 10:10.26 | crashanddie | "Are you hungry?" == "Ohyummyyummyyou" |
| 10:11.05 | lcuk | morning Robot101 seb,xnt etc \o |
| 10:11.10 | lcuk | \o jaffa |
| 10:11.24 | xnt14 | can imagine crashanddie going to japan and asking for directions in his faux japanese, and people mistaking it for "Rob Me!" :P |
| 10:11.54 | xnt14 | lcuk: hmm, what happened to tab completion btw? not enough sleep? |
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| 10:12.14 | lcuk | you are actively talking |
| 10:12.32 | xnt14 | perhaps because I'm drinking coffee :P |
| 10:12.54 | lcuk | Morning xnt14, fantastic day we are having today! |
| 10:13.08 | Robot101 | uggh coffee... *slumps* |
| 10:13.33 | xnt14 | (a 15 year old drinking coffee apparently surprises people... :P) |
| 10:13.36 | Robot101 | got woken up with lawyers on the phone |
| 10:13.39 | TermanaN900 | good morning lcuk |
| 10:14.13 | crashanddie | xnt14: you're 15? |
| 10:14.15 | xnt14 | lcuk: ÐобÑое ÑÑÑо |
| 10:14.18 | crashanddie | xnt14: then your nickname is a lie! |
| 10:14.20 | xnt14 | crashanddie: yes :P |
| 10:14.58 | xnt14 | crashanddie: well, I made it when I was 14, and then when I turned 15, I decided that it would be too much of a hassle to change it universally |
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| 10:15.24 | crashanddie | hehe, having to start over whoring for karma on maemo.org again :D |
| 10:15.26 | xnt14 | so 14 = age I made the nick, hence xnt14 |
| 10:15.41 | crashanddie | xnt14: so you're in pakistan? |
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| 10:15.47 | mikki-kun | xnt14: how about 'xnt+1'? ^^ |
| 10:16.01 | xnt14 | crashanddie: no, new york atm, I went to pakistan a few months ago though |
| 10:16.14 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: + isn't allowed in nicknames |
| 10:16.47 | xnt14 | mikki-kun: hmm, well still, I would have to change it on twitter, forum accounts, email etc... |
| 10:16.52 | mikki-kun | hm, meh... |
| 10:17.35 | xnt14 | mikki-kun: are you really japanese, or do you just watch a lot of anime or something |
| 10:18.12 | xnt14 | crashanddie: where are you atm anyways? |
| 10:18.17 | crashanddie | xnt14: france |
| 10:18.29 | xnt14 | ah, k |
| 10:19.09 | crashanddie | I love how people start backing away slowly as soon as I say that |
| 10:19.18 | xnt14 | crashanddie: lol |
| 10:19.26 | xnt14 | whats wrong with france? |
| 10:19.32 | mikki-kun | have been watching too much anime, but originally not my own creation... somebody called me like that and i kept it up |
| 10:19.35 | TermanaN900 | we dont need to attack you |
| 10:19.36 | nid0 | whistles nonchalantly |
| 10:19.40 | TermanaN900 | you surrender! |
| 10:19.41 | crashanddie | (whispering) "Don't make any sudden movement, he might spray you with olive oil, armpit hair and stinky cheese" |
| 10:19.51 | xnt14 | mikki-kun: ah, ok lol |
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| 10:20.01 | crashanddie | TermanaN900: yeah, it's not like the dutch surrendered almost a year before the french did, eh? |
| 10:20.27 | TermanaN900 | crashanddie, maybe but france is the only one famous for it :P |
| 10:20.38 | xnt14 | whispers across the room: "hil na nei, ya ma aap ko sedate kar do ga" |
| 10:20.42 | xnt14 | :P |
| 10:20.43 | nid0 | dutch war surrenders, 1. french war surrenders, ran out of fingers and toes :( |
| 10:20.52 | crashanddie | and since when are the prisoners allowed to go on the internet in Australia? |
| 10:21.04 | crashanddie | TermanaN900: has your family paid off its debt to England yet? :P |
| 10:21.30 | TermanaN900 | heh |
| 10:21.59 | TermanaN900 | crashanddie, Since we got internet filtering and the internet as australia knew it went |
| 10:22.11 | TermanaN900 | oh wait... that hasnt happened yet |
| 10:22.11 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 10:22.25 | nid0 | didnt they just decide finally that all the filtering firewall shit is in fact a dumb idea and are cancelling it all? |
| 10:22.25 | crashanddie | yeah, but your internet sucks anyhow |
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| 10:22.52 | crashanddie | very expensive, shit rates, bad response times to the rest of the world |
| 10:23.36 | crashanddie | though, internet in NZ is even worse |
| 10:23.52 | crashanddie | I remember going to Brisbane library on weekends because the network was a lot better than the hotel's |
| 10:23.54 | xnt14 | crashanddie: what speed is your internet? |
| 10:24.09 | crashanddie | xnt14: 100/50 |
| 10:24.11 | xnt14 | 20 Mbps down / 5Mbps Up here... |
| 10:24.14 | xnt14 | o_0 |
| 10:24.20 | xnt14 | how much monthly? |
| 10:24.24 | crashanddie | 30euros |
| 10:24.49 | xnt14 | thats like $39.49/month |
| 10:24.55 | nid0 | only on 9mbit down here :( |
| 10:25.02 | TermanaN900 | im in a rural area in south australia |
| 10:25.07 | xnt14 | I pay $30/month + phone ($40/month) |
| 10:25.22 | TermanaN900 | so i only have 3G, satelite or dial up |
| 10:25.42 | crashanddie | xnt14: phone is free, I can call nearly any country in the world for free |
| 10:25.43 | MiXu- | Woohoo! Sygic 10 submitted to Ovi Store \o/ |
| 10:25.53 | MiXu- | Just got email from Sygic about it. |
| 10:25.55 | crashanddie | xnt14: and I get HDTV over IP for free as well |
| 10:26.03 | MiXu- | It's not available yet, but will be soon |
| 10:26.04 | xnt14 | lol, you should see internet in pakistan, the only 3g is cdma pcmcia cards which are ridiculously overpriced, so I got an unlimited data plan (EDGE) |
| 10:26.21 | xnt14 | crashanddie: hmm, wow... your isp is awesome :P |
| 10:26.48 | xnt14 | they nickel and dime us into oblivion here... |
| 10:27.08 | crashanddie | xnt14: the set-top-box has video input, so I can have my own tv channel if I want |
| 10:27.10 | TermanaN900 | I get about 1 or 2 mb/s down |
| 10:27.17 | TermanaN900 | and a limit of 8GB |
| 10:27.24 | crashanddie | I can send out live video, or pre-record it, and decide of a specific time to show it |
| 10:27.28 | jacekowski | crashanddie: whare are you? |
| 10:27.30 | TermanaN900 | and i pay $60 (aud) a month |
| 10:27.32 | crashanddie | jacekowski: france |
| 10:27.37 | TermanaN900 | complete rip off :P |
| 10:27.38 | xnt14 | crashanddie: whats your isp's name? |
| 10:27.43 | crashanddie | xnt14: "Free" |
| 10:27.52 | crashanddie | xnt14: the modem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox |
| 10:27.53 | jacekowski | i pay around £100 for a server on gigabit link |
| 10:28.00 | crashanddie | the ISP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_(French_ISP) |
| 10:28.07 | xnt14 | crashanddie: http://www.free.fr/adsl/index.html ? |
| 10:28.14 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 10:28.22 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 10:28.23 | xnt14 | ah |
| 10:28.23 | crashanddie | but I'm not in xDSL, I'm running fiber |
| 10:28.32 | jacekowski | that's just overselling |
| 10:28.45 | jacekowski | crashanddie: so you have real fiber going into back of your pc? |
| 10:28.47 | nid0 | everywhere in the internet business oversells |
| 10:28.54 | crashanddie | jacekowski: not PC, modem |
| 10:28.59 | xnt14 | you are so lucky :P, they don't have half as much openness on verizon |
| 10:29.10 | xnt14 | (I also have fiber, but crappier) |
| 10:29.31 | jacekowski | crashanddie: so you have normal fiber or coax going into back of your modem? |
| 10:29.32 | crashanddie | jacekowski: but yeah, I have real fiber going into my modem, not like Virgin in the UK who promises fiber, but really you get coax |
| 10:30.02 | xnt14 | crashanddie: hmm, 100/50 Megabit or Megebyte? |
| 10:30.03 | jacekowski | well, fttp is quite complicated |
| 10:30.12 | jacekowski | mostly because fiber is harder to handle |
| 10:30.14 | crashanddie | xnt14: Megabit |
| 10:30.21 | xnt14 | crashanddie: ah, k |
| 10:30.27 | jacekowski | so it's simpler to add fiber to coax and do last mile in coax |
| 10:30.35 | jacekowski | much easier to handle by anybody |
| 10:30.47 | xnt14 | crashanddie: O_O 12.5 MB/s |
| 10:30.52 | jacekowski | and docsis can do up to 300mbits |
| 10:30.55 | crashanddie | yeah, but I rarely get that |
| 10:31.09 | xnt14 | so what do you normally get? |
| 10:31.22 | crashanddie | I'm in wifi, so max is realistically 5MB/s |
| 10:31.35 | crashanddie | and that's really in optimal conditions |
| 10:31.42 | crashanddie | I guess my average is about 3MB/s |
| 10:31.46 | crashanddie | maybe 2 |
| 10:31.58 | jacekowski | crashanddie: hmm, try jacekowski.org/ |
| 10:32.04 | jacekowski | jacekowski.org/big_file |
| 10:32.20 | xnt14 | how about on a lan connection? |
| 10:32.52 | crashanddie | you made safari crash, lol |
| 10:33.10 | xnt14 | crashanddie: mac? :P |
| 10:33.30 | xnt14 | chromium is better than safari... |
| 10:33.51 | jacekowski | let me try something else |
| 10:33.53 | crashanddie | 1.5MB/s |
| 10:33.55 | nid0 | 850KB/s on that file for me |
| 10:33.55 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: now your mac is jailbroken ^^ |
| 10:34.03 | jacekowski | big_file.bin |
| 10:34.14 | jacekowski | that may work |
| 10:34.31 | xnt14 | jacekowski: about 2MB/s |
| 10:34.51 | nid0 | 54,809,300 11.2M/s eta 1m 46s |
| 10:34.52 | crashanddie | yeah, 1.5MB/s using wget |
| 10:34.53 | nid0 | rah |
| 10:35.05 | xnt14 | ah, dammit, have to go - g2g, see you guys later |
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| 10:35.41 | crashanddie | though frankly, over 1MB/s the difference isn't massive |
| 10:35.54 | crashanddie | I mean, everything gets so short that you don't really notice anymore |
| 10:36.12 | crashanddie | downloading 2 or 3 MB files? Your computer usually isn't fast enough to really leverage it |
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| 10:36.32 | crashanddie | Downloading 600MB files? Well, it's only 10 minutes, so go grab a cup of coffee and you're done |
| 10:36.44 | mikki-kun | ou man... i got 30KB/sec for that file :/ |
| 10:36.55 | nid0 | gutted |
| 10:37.05 | crashanddie | nid0: nice connection, sweden? |
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| 10:37.18 | nid0 | nah that 11.2MB/s was one of work's servers :p |
| 10:37.23 | crashanddie | heh |
| 10:37.29 | jacekowski | nid0: from where? |
| 10:37.29 | nid0 | i get 850KB/s from here |
| 10:37.36 | nid0 | london centro |
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| 10:37.42 | crashanddie | probably the same datacentre :D |
| 10:37.47 | crashanddie | jacekowski: good server though |
| 10:37.55 | jacekowski | cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust732.know.cable.virginmedia.com - that was quite fast |
| 10:37.58 | jacekowski | and somebody from .nl |
| 10:38.16 | jacekowski | ns204913.ovh.net => cpc4-papw5-2-0-cust732.know.cable.virginmedia.com 14.0Mb 9.69Mb 9.78Mb |
| 10:38.22 | jacekowski | ns204913.ovh.net => ip565706a4.direct-adsl.nl 5.34Mb 5.53Mb 5.32Mb |
| 10:38.31 | crashanddie | ovh is hosted in France, isn't it? |
| 10:38.39 | crashanddie | I mean, they only have a datacentre near paris |
| 10:38.41 | Davide | I just started having a problem, when my N900s screen goes blank, it does not come back when touching the screen, sliding the keyboard, or hitting the side switch... |
| 10:38.49 | jacekowski | crashanddie: they have couple datacentres |
| 10:38.50 | Davide | sometimes it comes back after several times of trying... |
| 10:38.58 | Davide | any idea what is going on? |
| 10:39.09 | crashanddie | jacekowski: last time I contacted (their UK branch) to rent a server, they said they only had french servers |
| 10:39.17 | jacekowski | yes, they are based in france |
| 10:39.25 | jacekowski | but have datacentres all over france |
| 10:39.34 | jacekowski | with direct peerings with all european networks |
| 10:39.35 | crashanddie | jacekowski: this was a in february or march, I wanted an escape route out of australia's firewall |
| 10:39.49 | jacekowski | hey have like 400Gbits just to linx |
| 10:39.53 | jacekowski | they* |
| 10:39.59 | crashanddie | yeah yeah, I have know loads of people at OVH, been working with 'em for years |
| 10:40.16 | crashanddie | good teams, good philosophy, good customer support |
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| 10:40.43 | crashanddie | they're not afraid to throw in a month for free or something when the servers go down |
| 10:40.46 | jacekowski | just cheap hardware |
| 10:40.58 | crashanddie | well, the prices aren't excessive, so no surprise there |
| 10:41.10 | crashanddie | plus their CDS is a good option |
| 10:41.23 | jacekowski | cds? |
| 10:41.29 | crashanddie | cheap dedicated server? |
| 10:41.40 | jacekowski | kimsufi you mean? |
| 10:41.45 | crashanddie | where you just have the CPU and RAM to yourself, disk access is on a shared NAS |
| 10:41.51 | jacekowski | it's called RPS |
| 10:41.57 | crashanddie | ah, RPS, that's the one |
| 10:41.58 | jacekowski | real private server |
| 10:42.33 | crashanddie | I had one for some time, works very well, as long as you're not disk-bound |
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| 10:43.03 | crashanddie | jacekowski: always buy on the French website, a lot cheaper |
| 10:43.13 | crashanddie | jacekowski: they just use the same price tags but change the currency |
| 10:43.29 | crashanddie | so back in the day, when GBP was strong against EUR, it made sense to buy from the french |
| 10:43.37 | jacekowski | http://weathermap.ovh.net/europe |
| 10:43.38 | Po0ky | still, shouldnt you pick a country that cares about your privacy? |
| 10:43.39 | Po0ky | :p |
| 10:43.42 | crashanddie | now I don't know if the price difference is massive |
| 10:44.07 | crashanddie | Po0ky: it doesn't really matter what country you choose, rather, the company's ethics |
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| 10:59.52 | lcuk | anyone in HEL at the moment and wants to go to this demo scene competition and see if anyone is hacking on N900s etc? http://www.assembly.org/summer10/ we need people there :p |
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| 11:11.07 | sx0n | is someone managed to get usbnet working between vbox and n900 ? |
| 11:11.42 | sx0n | my vbox doesn't see usb iface when i connect device |
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| 11:16.53 | frals | lcuk: bah, suppose to be great weather this weekend, no way im going there :p |
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| 11:18.02 | lcuk | frals, \@ |
| 11:18.12 | lcuk | get your ass there and take some shots |
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| 11:43.39 | crashanddie | frals: we'll pay you |
| 11:43.55 | crashanddie | with loads of thanks and email-cards. |
| 11:44.04 | MohammadAG | the trouts are on me |
| 11:44.14 | crashanddie | and 2000 IRC-dollars |
| 11:44.25 | ieatlint | pay my way and i'll go |
| 11:44.25 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, hmm, I can haz those? |
| 11:44.40 | crashanddie | (IRC$100000 buys you a kick) |
| 11:44.51 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 11:45.00 | MohammadAG | wants IRC$100000 |
| 11:45.00 | crashanddie | IRC$300000 buys you a 24h ban |
| 11:45.11 | crashanddie | IRC$2000000 buys you a lifetime ban |
| 11:45.24 | MohammadAG | IRC$1 buys you a crashanddie |
| 11:45.30 | crashanddie | no |
| 11:45.33 | crashanddie | that's without inflation |
| 11:45.45 | crashanddie | now I'm at 50® |
| 11:45.48 | crashanddie | err |
| 11:45.49 | crashanddie | 50c |
| 11:46.00 | crashanddie | you could have 4000 me's! |
| 11:46.56 | crashanddie | on second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea |
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| 11:49.53 | crashanddie | damn, wolfman is a shit movie |
| 11:50.46 | th3hate_ | jacekowski, have you made any progess with flash 10.1? |
| 11:50.56 | crashanddie | from candles that go out before you blow them out, and the light lingers like an overpowered lightbulb cooling down, to coach drivers with american accents, what were the assistant directors doing? |
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| 12:30.17 | lcuk | crashanddie, in movies, the speed of light is different. you noticing the lingering effect of blowing a candle out is merely one part |
| 12:30.37 | Jucato | anyone here know how to control the N900 system sound volume using Qt? |
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| 13:03.47 | MohammadAG | Red pill mode lives on! |
| 13:04.10 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode |
| 13:04.42 | drizztbsd | useless |
| 13:07.24 | MohammadAG | I know |
| 13:08.29 | MohammadAG | actually, you can install ovi store apps w/o opening the shit store |
| 13:10.04 | kerio | ovi .debs are just modified standard .debs, right? |
| 13:10.56 | FauxFaux | I'm not sure how that statement could be false. |
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| 13:13.59 | mirf | boobs |
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| 13:14.36 | kerio | boobs! |
| 13:14.52 | jacekowski | tits |
| 13:15.01 | kerio | tits! |
| 13:15.31 | straind | or gtfo? |
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| 13:18.08 | straind | So, does anybody have a Kismet package for the 770? |
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| 13:22.15 | crashanddie | lcuk: heh, so why is it inconsistent? Does the speed of light vary in movies? Sometimes the candle went out before, sometimes after he blew. |
| 13:22.55 | crashanddie | FauxFaux: interesting to have someone with your nickname commenting on the "true or false" nature of a something :P |
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| 13:27.32 | Termana | Android on a shanzhai N8 - http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/keepin-it-real-fake-nokias-android-n8/ |
| 13:28.20 | SpeedEvil | Interesting - as long as they do the GPL thing. |
| 13:28.57 | kerio | SpeedEvil: heh, i'm sure correct licensing is their main concern |
| 13:29.13 | Termana | SpeedEvil, probably not. Not a lot of these type of companies do AFAIK |
| 13:29.27 | Termana | Plus, the probably wont allow you to load your own ROMs on it either |
| 13:29.30 | Termana | they* |
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| 13:33.02 | SpeedEvil | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/05/1227240/EFF-Wins-GPL-Case-Against-Westinghouse?from=rss - re that. |
| 13:33.03 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 13:56.03 | GAN900 | Talk is the best for logical fallacies and cognitive disconnects. |
| 13:57.31 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Eggplant! Velocipede! |
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| 14:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | harald welte for master of (FOSS) universe |
| 14:20.45 | ptl | what did he do? |
| 14:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen laf0rge |
| 14:20.47 | infobot | laf0rge <n=laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 275d 12h 58m 49s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'. |
| 14:21.05 | ptl | laf0rge is harald welte? |
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| 14:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | or should I say "was"? |
| 14:22.09 | ptl | long time gone |
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| 14:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | probably doesn't use IRC much since he got his own GSM network :-P |
| 14:22.39 | MohammadAG | lol? |
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| 14:25.33 | LjL | own GSM network? |
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| 14:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ http://openbts.blogspot.com/2010/03/niue-11-dont-get-me-wrong.html http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/ |
| 14:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/ |
| 14:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | and of course the nice dude I shared the apartment with, in Taipei |
| 14:40.09 | pigeon | does anyone know why if i run /usr/bin/nokia-maps on the command line the ui doesn't come up? |
| 14:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | are you sure it's supposed to have any GUI? |
| 14:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, maybe it's some 'helper' and you need to stat something slightly different |
| 14:41.29 | pigeon | i thought that is the ovi map? |
| 14:41.30 | alterego | pigeon: read the .deskto file ... |
| 14:41.40 | pigeon | i did |
| 14:41.46 | pigeon | /usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html |
| 14:41.56 | pigeon | unless that isn't the ovi map gui |
| 14:42.05 | flashn | ftp client |
| 14:42.07 | flashn | ? |
| 14:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | for sure it is |
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| 14:42.51 | pigeon | /usr/share/applications/hildon/nokia-maps.desktop |
| 14:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: check user, check exact cmdline like in .desktop, check cwd |
| 14:43.20 | alterego | It's XUL |
| 14:43.36 | alterego | Well, the interface is html, css and javascript |
| 14:43.42 | Jucato | anyone here know how to control the N900 system sound volume using Qt? or is there some other place I could ask about Qt/Maemo questions? |
| 14:43.48 | alterego | It runs on the gecko engine |
| 14:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 14:43.58 | alterego | Jucato: dbus |
| 14:44.08 | timeless | ? |
| 14:44.14 | pigeon | yeah... but then when i run it on a terminal, no ui comes up |
| 14:44.15 | timeless | nokia maps is *not* xul |
| 14:44.18 | X-Fade | Jucato: #qt-maemo |
| 14:44.27 | timeless | nokia maps is a webruntime plugin embedded into html hosted by gecko |
| 14:44.30 | Jucato | alterego: hm ok. |
| 14:44.33 | timeless | more or less |
| 14:44.38 | timeless | maybe not actually webruntime |
| 14:44.45 | alterego | timeless: I know, it's html, I just accidentally said xul out of habit ... |
| 14:44.46 | Jucato | X-Fade: oooh thanks. hehe didn't know that existed :) |
| 14:44.47 | timeless | but basically it has its own rendering engine built into a plugin |
| 14:45.07 | timeless | alterego: 100 hail mery's? |
| 14:45.09 | pigeon | it also outputs things like depth: 16 Resize 800*480*16 |
| 14:45.14 | pigeon | but also Plugin type: windowless |
| 14:45.19 | pigeon | which sounds suspicious |
| 14:45.33 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you forward a question to the SDK team? |
| 14:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~trout alterego |
| 14:45.53 | infobot | ACTION slaps alterego around a bit with a large trout! |
| 14:45.56 | timeless | pigeon: anyway |
| 14:46.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: If I won't get slapped for asking a rude question, then yes ;) |
| 14:46.02 | timeless | the maps app is prestarted |
| 14:46.13 | timeless | so if you want maps to appear you shoudl speak to it using dbus or something |
| 14:46.15 | MohammadAG | slaps X-Fade |
| 14:46.17 | timeless | instead of trying to run it |
| 14:46.18 | kerio | ovi maps sucks ._. |
| 14:46.19 | luke-jr | timeless: what's annoying about Maps is that it replaces the WM UI |
| 14:46.31 | pigeon | hmm |
| 14:46.34 | timeless | luke-jr: that's the only thing that's annoying about maps? |
| 14:46.35 | timeless | wow |
| 14:46.39 | luke-jr | lol |
| 14:46.39 | timeless | you must not use it |
| 14:46.44 | luke-jr | also that it forgets addresses |
| 14:46.48 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, why isn't the perl-modules package optified |
| 14:47.05 | kerio | how's the Sygic one? |
| 14:47.06 | timeless | luke-jr: iirc it doesn't have addressbook integration |
| 14:47.18 | luke-jr | timeless: I don't use addressbook |
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| 14:47.23 | timeless | ... i mean, if you want to start talking about glaring issues |
| 14:47.26 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Probably because it is just an sdk package which got copied ;) |
| 14:47.38 | MohammadAG | ooh, makes sense :P |
| 14:47.47 | timeless | luke-jr: can you imagine someone w/ 1000 contacts wanting to use maps to figure out how to get from Contact1's address to Contact2's |
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| 14:48.14 | luke-jr | timeless: no |
| 14:48.18 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4-1/ <-- I'm never submitting a package to -testing |
| 14:48.25 | timeless | ye of little imagination |
| 14:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | not if the means to do that is ovi maps, at least :-P |
| 14:48.42 | timeless | heh |
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| 14:49.06 | timeless | actually google maps for s60 could do that iirc |
| 14:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | I cursed missing "show in map" button next to contacts' address before |
| 14:50.17 | timeless | if you realized how painful using maps would be, you'd be thankful :) |
| 14:50.26 | timeless | but in principle, it should be there |
| 14:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | as I curse missing "take photo" option on selecting a contact' |
| 14:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | s avatar |
| 14:50.44 | timeless | heh |
| 14:50.46 | MohammadAG | <rant> |
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| 14:50.54 | timeless | yeah, workflow wasn't really considered |
| 14:50.54 | kerio | how's Mobile Maps? |
| 14:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | abysmally poor integration |
| 14:51.01 | MohammadAG | it's not my damn fault if Nokia chose different keymaps for different devices |
| 14:51.07 | MohammadAG | it's not my fault if perl can't be optified |
| 14:51.17 | MohammadAG | it's not my fault the N900 has little games |
| 14:51.19 | timeless | think perl can be optifieid |
| 14:51.29 | timeless | kerio: maps.google.com/maps/m works nicely |
| 14:51.37 | kerio | MohammadAG: it has nethack and a physical keyboard |
| 14:51.40 | timeless | so does Maep |
| 14:51.41 | kerio | timeless: not that one |
| 14:51.48 | kerio | i was talking about the Sygic one |
| 14:51.50 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I'll see about perl optification. |
| 14:51.54 | timeless | oh |
| 14:51.57 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, don't bother |
| 14:52.00 | kerio | commercial one, on ovi store |
| 14:52.02 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, perl-modules can be optified |
| 14:52.04 | MohammadAG | perl can't |
| 14:52.04 | timeless | i've only heard good things about it |
| 14:52.09 | midas_ | sygic works fine here |
| 14:52.11 | timeless | i think it's probably worth the purchase |
| 14:52.11 | MohammadAG | well, frozen-bubble fails to load |
| 14:52.19 | MohammadAG | if perl is optified |
| 14:52.27 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yeah, will see. |
| 14:52.37 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 14:52.39 | MohammadAG | </rant> |
| 14:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~rant MohammadAG |
| 14:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
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| 14:53.35 | MohammadAG | is in a good mood to make an rm -rf package that gets activated when the package reaches extras |
| 14:53.39 | midas_ | transmission is great |
| 14:53.45 | MohammadAG | I wonder if the QA team would be like d'oh |
| 14:53.54 | kerio | MohammadAG: lol |
| 14:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: binary explosives. make TWO pkgs that anihilate the device when both are installed same time :-D |
| 14:56.05 | pigeon | hmm i don't see any pre-run ovi map related process |
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| 14:56.17 | pigeon | unless it is browser/browserd |
| 14:56.33 | kerio | it is |
| 14:56.53 | frals | MohammadAG: look at this way, if the testers hadnt told you about the lack of info wrt to quitting the app you would get a million email/PM per day asking you how to close the game... |
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| 14:57.16 | GAN900 | This has to be the sixth or seventh time my IM contacts have been duped. |
| 14:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen konttori |
| 14:57.23 | infobot | konttori <~konttori@Maemo/OS/konttori> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 19h 9m 36s ago, saying: 'DrGrov: did you have issues with it, or why did you ask?'. |
| 14:57.23 | pigeon | fair enough |
| 14:57.32 | MohammadAG | frals, hmm, good point, but I haven't checked my email since 08 |
| 14:57.38 | timeless | docscrutinizer: yesterday after lunch in the lobby :) |
| 14:58.01 | BCMM | GAN900: is there a way to automatically fix that? |
| 14:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: please next time ask him about cell broadcast messages and cellmo |
| 14:58.31 | kerio | contact merger |
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| 14:58.37 | frals | DocScrutinizer: i think he walked past here an hour ago or so... |
| 14:58.47 | timeless | why him? |
| 14:58.55 | timeless | he doesn't deal w/ baseband or what not |
| 14:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | seems he's been the contact to GSM internals - at least for me |
| 14:59.18 | MohammadAG | kerio, contacts-merger* |
| 14:59.30 | kerio | i wasn't talking about the package name |
| 14:59.31 | kerio | :) |
| 14:59.42 | MohammadAG | kerio, I know, I felt like being a #maemo nazi |
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| 15:02.12 | MohammadAG | hmm, can't remember the answer, but can the N900 be cold flashed via USB? |
| 15:02.22 | MohammadAG | I know about --cold-flash |
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| 15:02.38 | SpeedEvil | Interesting - kindle wifi - 100 quid. |
| 15:02.40 | MiXu- | Can't remember for sure. |
| 15:03.00 | MiXu- | MohammadAG: Why do you need to cold flash? |
| 15:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | uh |
| 15:03.04 | kerio | SpeedEvil: the kindle is good beause of the free data access |
| 15:03.12 | kerio | limited, but still |
| 15:03.31 | MohammadAG | MiXu-, well, I imagine I might mix up if and of when using dd on /dev/mtd* |
| 15:03.53 | SpeedEvil | kerio: 1.5* the price for 3g though. |
| 15:04.11 | kerio | SpeedEvil: yeah, but hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy |
| 15:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | still interesting box of components to revamp |
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| 15:04.54 | MiXu- | MohammadAG: I'm pretty sure cold flashing can be done also via usb |
| 15:04.58 | SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kindle-Wireless-Reader-Wifi-Graphite/dp/B002Y27P46/ref=amb_link_157546987_3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=157CYCW26RMNXDSEM2DG&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=211179027&pf_rd_i=468294 |
| 15:05.04 | SpeedEvil | But can it run maemo? :) |
| 15:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: Nah! The "DONT PANIC" bootscreen was on Freerunner first |
| 15:05.34 | MiXu- | MohammadAG: At least the flasher "help" has this line: -S, --serial-port=ARG Serial port used for cold flashing or "usb" |
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| 15:05.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: does the freerunner have unlimited, free access to wikipedia? |
| 15:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | errr wut? |
| 15:06.06 | MohammadAG | hmm, k |
| 15:06.07 | SpeedEvil | Yes. (with a SD card) |
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| 15:06.16 | SpeedEvil | FR is unrelated to wikireader |
| 15:06.25 | SpeedEvil | wikireader is _not_ a generic computing platform |
| 15:06.28 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 15:06.35 | MohammadAG | why the hell does my N900 keep dropping calls |
| 15:06.36 | kerio | SpeedEvil: i was talking about the kindle |
| 15:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | yes, via web browser of your choice |
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| 15:08.04 | MiXu- | MohammadAG: One more indicator that it should work: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=574566&postcount=18 |
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| 15:09.07 | johnsq | Hi |
| 15:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: seriously, you lost me on the "access to wikipedia" |
| 15:09.40 | MohammadAG | Someone write /dev/zero onto all /dev/mtd* partitions and try to cold flash please :) |
| 15:10.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: the standard kindle has free access for life to the internets with his data connection |
| 15:10.10 | kerio | and a browser |
| 15:10.28 | Mece | yo |
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| 15:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: then you bet it's not sold in Germany, and also won't work here |
| 15:12.25 | kerio | yeah :( |
| 15:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | darn free dataplan for life - you'd pay more than the kindle costs even in first 12 months |
| 15:13.18 | SpeedEvil | yeah - the UK one was cheaper. |
| 15:13.21 | SpeedEvil | without wifi |
| 15:13.31 | SpeedEvil | and isn't too unreasonably priced at all. |
| 15:13.41 | SpeedEvil | 100 quid - 150e or whatever - is quite good. |
| 15:14.40 | luke-jr | kerio: where's the contract? |
| 15:14.49 | luke-jr | if there's no contract, they don't have to provide it |
| 15:15.21 | luke-jr | I seem to recall them adding "terms" after the fact already |
| 15:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | nobody can sell a device with unlimited lifetime dataplan for 150 bucks, if such dataplan usually costs you at very least 10 bucks a month |
| 15:15.35 | luke-jr | how long until there's a minimum purchase or a monthly fee is incurred? |
| 15:15.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, the dataplan costs *you* 10 bucks a month |
| 15:15.59 | kerio | i bet it costs quite less to amazon |
| 15:16.12 | luke-jr | also, I doubt Kindle uses a SIM card ;) |
| 15:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | why should it? |
| 15:16.29 | kerio | luke-jr: it does |
| 15:16.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: because you're only allowed to use it for their store and such |
| 15:16.35 | kerio | you can't use it anywhere else though |
| 15:16.41 | SpeedEvil | Also webkit browser |
| 15:17.03 | kerio | also *crappy* webkit browser |
| 15:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | you think the carriers will say "duh you're Amazon - here, take it away for 1% of what it would get us with a usual dataplan" |
| 15:17.34 | SpeedEvil | ah - browsing only on wifi |
| 15:17.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: bulk |
| 15:18.00 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no - however they may well be quite happy if amazon pays $x/GB |
| 15:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yes, like iPhone did, luke-jr :-D |
| 15:18.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: which amazon slices off the price of the book |
| 15:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, adding the "amazon website only" bit to the equation makes it a whole new story |
| 15:19.33 | SpeedEvil | Especially as they can push recurring subscription downloads onto off-peak hours. |
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| 15:24.48 | crashanddie | 'sup |
| 15:24.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 15:25.38 | kerio | crashanddie: hmm... the roof? |
| 15:25.51 | crashanddie | ,dns |
| 15:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | nice one |
| 15:26.05 | crashanddie | but I failed :( |
| 15:26.10 | crashanddie | it's dns, |
| 15:26.21 | kerio | no it's not |
| 15:26.25 | kerio | , != reversed ' |
| 15:26.29 | crashanddie | well |
| 15:26.32 | crashanddie | close enough |
| 15:26.33 | crashanddie | sup |
| 15:26.34 | crashanddie | dns |
| 15:26.36 | crashanddie | there :P |
| 15:26.49 | kerio | ÇıppuÉÉ¥sÉÉ¹É Ä±É¥ |
| 15:26.52 | kerio | dnssÉÊ |
| 15:26.57 | Mece | hmpf I was kinda hoping QGLWidget viewport would look the same as QWidget viewport. that was not the case :/ |
| 15:27.27 | Mece | kerio, cool :) |
| 15:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: WHICH codepage is that? |
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| 15:29.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: codepage? |
| 15:29.53 | kerio | the 80s called, they want their monochrome terminal back |
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| 15:30.00 | kerio | UNICODE BITCHES |
| 15:30.01 | D-Iivil | _o/ |
| 15:30.04 | kerio | also http://www.fliptext.org/ |
| 15:31.10 | D-Iivil | wonders how difficult it can be to set up decent server for providing software updates so that people actually CAN download something... |
| 15:31.16 | crashanddie | kerio: you do realise that he doens't need unicode to kick you :P |
| 15:31.36 | crashanddie | D-Iivil: how so? |
| 15:31.44 | kerio | aw, /nick oıɹÇÊ doesn't work |
| 15:31.49 | kerio | stupid freenode ._. |
| 15:32.24 | D-Iivil | crashanddie, well... I've been trying to download the goddamn sygic update like fifteen times... |
| 15:32.41 | kerio | did you guys know there's a unicode character for log and ln? |
| 15:32.46 | kerio | a single character |
| 15:33.05 | D-Iivil | But their 486SX with 56kb modem connection keeps dropping off constantly... |
| 15:33.12 | SpeedEvil | Is there a unicode char for sarcasm? |
| 15:33.26 | FIQ | There is, for irony |
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| 15:33.36 | SpeedEvil | Is it an anvil? |
| 15:33.54 | kerio | SpeedEvil: ... |
| 15:33.57 | kerio | oh! |
| 15:34.03 | kerio | i see what you did there |
| 15:34.06 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: some people want to use ~ as an indicator for sarcasm |
| 15:34.13 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: at the end of the line |
| 15:34.26 | kerio | my home is sarcastic! |
| 15:34.43 | crashanddie | kerio: are you trying to unlock an achievement by unleashing all of the /. memes in one day? |
| 15:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | sɥıt, ı ÊÉut tÉ¥Ét ÉopÇdÉgÇ |
| 15:35.26 | kerio | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 15:35.31 | kerio | there are no codepages anymore |
| 15:35.34 | SpeedEvil | Sort-of-on-this topic. |
| 15:35.38 | FIQ | utf-8 chars :( |
| 15:35.58 | kerio | I AM UNICODE OF BORG, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED |
| 15:36.02 | SpeedEvil | I just realised that xrandr supports transformations. |
| 15:36.07 | SpeedEvil | Which can do rotations. |
| 15:36.19 | SpeedEvil | Which is handy for me, as I want to use my laptop screen at 30 degrees off. |
| 15:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you call it, I can't insert upsidedown text from the specialchar selection tool |
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| 15:36.37 | SpeedEvil | I now need to just work out how to do that. |
| 15:37.01 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: look harder |
| 15:37.09 | kerio | or just use that webpage :) |
| 15:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | á |
| 15:38.01 | crashanddie | unicode for upside-down characters is stupid |
| 15:38.19 | crashanddie | it would've been a lot smarter to just include an extra byte that indicates the mount of rotation |
| 15:38.36 | FIQ | Yeah, like reverse |
| 15:38.52 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Don't forget x,y rotation too, for holographic displays. |
| 15:39.00 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: aye |
| 15:39.09 | crashanddie | maybe utf-16 will come in handy one day after all |
| 15:39.47 | SpeedEvil | oops - xyz |
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| 15:48.34 | mgedmin | nah, utf-16 is just stupid |
| 15:48.59 | mgedmin | combines the worst properties of utf-8 with the worst properties of utf-32 |
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| 15:54.08 | jacekowski | have you heard about nokia symbian phone sales? |
| 15:54.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: lol fence |
| 15:54.40 | jacekowski | 27 millions every quarter |
| 15:54.52 | jacekowski | that's more than ishit |
| 15:55.06 | jacekowski | and they sell more symbian phones every day than n900 in total |
| 15:55.24 | kerio | jacekowski: why are you comparing the n900 to a phone? |
| 15:55.25 | kerio | :| |
| 15:55.38 | jacekowski | it's a phone with tablet features |
| 15:56.29 | GAN900 | Reverse |
| 15:56.30 | kerio | it's a tablet with a data connection that's also kludged into making calls |
| 15:56.38 | GAN900 | It's a mobile computer with phone features. |
| 15:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | still whenever opportune the reasoning for all crap "optimizations" is "it's a phone!" |
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| 16:04.19 | RST38h | moo again |
| 16:05.10 | Venemo | jacekowski: yep, no surprise |
| 16:05.20 | Venemo | jacekowski: the N900 is intended for a small target audience |
| 16:05.34 | GAN900 | It's a dead platform from a sucky company is what it really is. |
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| 16:06.52 | kerio | GAN900: troll harder |
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| 16:06.55 | kerio | i can't hear you |
| 16:07.17 | RST38h | GAN: To get a proper response nowadays, you have to go with a personal attack |
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| 16:07.43 | VDVsx | sends a iphone 4 to GAN900 |
| 16:08.20 | RST38h | Where have you got it? Have you been infected? |
| 16:08.58 | luke-jr | Quim Gil is a failure! |
| 16:08.59 | luke-jr | RST38h: good enough? |
| 16:08.59 | luke-jr | :p |
| 16:08.59 | RST38h | Naah |
| 16:09.10 | VDVsx | RST38h, I think was released here yesterday, by the queues in front of the stores :D |
| 16:09.15 | mikki-kun | what is Quim Gil? Ã.ö only Gil sounds familiar, but i doubt it has to do with Final Fantasy ^^ |
| 16:09.34 | RST38h | animal species and sexual organs do it the best |
| 16:09.48 | Venemo | GAN900: if this is your opinion, why are you around here, |
| 16:09.49 | RST38h | VDVsx: omg |
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| 16:11.04 | luke-jr | Quim Gil has no balls! |
| 16:11.06 | luke-jr | RST38h: ? |
| 16:11.09 | RST38h | yea |
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| 16:12.33 | GAN900 | Venemo, because I'm a sucker? |
| 16:12.41 | GAN900 | and where else would I go? |
| 16:12.54 | RST38h | GAN: android? |
| 16:12.58 | RST38h | win7? |
| 16:13.00 | RST38h | hides now |
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| 16:14.20 | Venemo | GAN900: don't worry, MeeGo is coming :) |
| 16:14.57 | luke-jr | coughs |
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| 16:15.39 | RST38h | This MeeGo: http://www.hamsterizer.com/Art/images/Items/MiGo01b.jpg ? |
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| 16:21.14 | GAN900 | Venemo, which doesn't leave me feeling at all encouraged. |
| 16:21.19 | GAN900 | stabs RST38h. |
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| 16:21.59 | Venemo | GAN900: well, MeeGo is no longer backed by only Nokia |
| 16:22.03 | RST38h | leaks greenish blood all over the channel |
| 16:22.22 | Venemo | GAN900: so, if Nokia makes crap MeeGo devices, we can still use stuff from other vendors |
| 16:22.49 | toggles_w | asl long as you want to reverse engineer bme, the modem,... |
| 16:23.38 | GAN900 | Yeah, it's not just Nokia. |
| 16:23.47 | Venemo | ~burn GAN900 |
| 16:23.47 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over GAN900, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:23.50 | luke-jr | toggles_w: as if we didn't have to with Nokia? |
| 16:24.07 | GAN900 | I'm not encouraged by the platform itself. |
| 16:24.31 | GAN900 | Intel's got a list of issues as long as Nokia. |
| 16:24.59 | luke-jr | Gentoo + mdecorator? :D |
| 16:25.16 | RST38h | LiMo is also driven by multiple companies |
| 16:25.22 | RST38h | Have you heard of LiMo lately? :) |
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| 16:26.40 | luke-jr | lol |
| 16:26.59 | D-Iivil | Does someone knows somebody from AlQaida |
| 16:27.05 | luke-jr | what OS *doesn't* have a long list of issues? |
| 16:27.11 | D-Iivil | or from some other terrorist group? |
| 16:27.19 | luke-jr | D-Iivil: yes, I'm sure they all know each other |
| 16:27.31 | D-Iivil | I need some assistance on blowing up Sygic's headquarter. |
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| 16:27.43 | jacekowski | D-Iivil: what happened? |
| 16:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | duh, didn't realize it's a rainy Friday afternoon everywhere else in the world as well |
| 16:27.54 | luke-jr | someone trace dyn-xdsl-83-150-112-159.nebulazone.fi ? |
| 16:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise dunno where from this dark mood trolling is today |
| 16:28.28 | jacekowski | luke-jr: http://pastebin.com/HnMVU9VG |
| 16:28.41 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, after trying to download the mm10 update unsuccessfully from their ice-age servers I'm getting now error that I've reached my download limit... |
| 16:28.57 | jacekowski | download it from torrent |
| 16:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:29.10 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, didn't find it... |
| 16:29.10 | jacekowski | and it's called stone age |
| 16:29.31 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, there was ice age also :P |
| 16:29.49 | jacekowski | yeah but it's not used in that context |
| 16:29.57 | jacekowski | it's stone age that's used in that context |
| 16:30.06 | jacekowski | there were multiple ice ages |
| 16:30.06 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, yeah, I know. Sorry about that. |
| 16:30.16 | jacekowski | don't argue with me |
| 16:30.40 | jacekowski | last person that was arguing with me was found dead |
| 16:30.52 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, no I won't. Just need some dynamite. Or Chuck Norris. |
| 16:31.08 | jacekowski | chuck norris was arguing with me as well |
| 16:31.14 | kerio | jacekowski: was he *that* bored? |
| 16:31.15 | jacekowski | and he was found dead as well |
| 16:31.29 | jacekowski | so that leaves you dynamite only |
| 16:31.47 | jacekowski | i know some place where i suppose with bit of cash you could buy some explosives |
| 16:31.51 | kerio | jacekowski: you're lying |
| 16:32.04 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, if you're more powerfull, then please go and roundhouse kick the Sygic folks tiny asses. |
| 16:32.06 | jacekowski | but i never tried that |
| 16:32.10 | kerio | next time you'll say that you argued with Candlejack and he was fou |
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| 16:33.00 | jacekowski | but i know what sort of people work there so i doubt they would have any problems selling explosives to anybody |
| 16:34.00 | RST38h | Doc: Dunno about rainy afternoons, here is it another showing of The Mist. |
| 16:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | Czech Semtex? coool |
| 16:34.08 | jacekowski | kerio: do you have proof that candlejack is still alive? |
| 16:34.16 | D-Iivil | jacekowski, cool. Will thet accept paypal and can they deliver the package with timer to specific address? |
| 16:34.24 | RST38h | jacekowski: get employed there, then lose all their laptops to burglars |
| 16:34.44 | D-Iivil | thet -> they |
| 16:34.56 | jacekowski | no |
| 16:35.30 | jacekowski | it's just quarry nearby that we were selling some stuff to |
| 16:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: didn't I tell you to extinguish that cigarette? |
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| 16:36.28 | RST38h | Doc: which one? the one at the horizon? that was a tv tower. |
| 16:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I didn't say you should throw it into the moor |
| 16:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: s/was/had been/ |
| 16:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | nah, actually I heard yesterday "weather" was fine over there where you live |
| 16:38.44 | RST38h | depends on what you compare it with |
| 16:39.19 | RST38h | I guess Hiroshima has been a bit worse off on this day in 1945 |
| 16:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 16:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | marginally |
| 16:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | the TV reports of Moscow suburbs really look like Hiroshima |
| 16:41.43 | RST38h | Doc: http://seg-o.livejournal.com/167258.html |
| 16:42.13 | RST38h | and http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/2349388.html?#cutid1 |
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| 16:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
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| 16:47.00 | RST38h | They have been handing out respirators at the Intel frontdesk today |
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| 16:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | visit Bavaria, since 6 days we got absolute non-smokers regulations. No smoke anywhere |
| 16:47.47 | |R | anywhere but home? |
| 16:47.51 | RST38h | No revolts so far? |
| 16:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng idiots - 55% of 32% voted pro |
| 16:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | or somesuch |
| 16:48.48 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 16:48.58 | RST38h | would vote pro |
| 16:49.10 | RST38h | 1. I hate cigarette smoke and 2. I hate people |
| 16:49.21 | |R | DocScrutinizer: so it's only legal at home now? |
| 16:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | they think they got a RIGHT to visit bars/pubs without anybody smoking. Not even the owner may... |
| 16:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | |R: actually on the street it's mostly legal as well |
| 16:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | at home it might be illegal though, if you got kids |
| 16:50.35 | |R | DocScrutinizer: ok, is there a distance from buildings? public parks? |
| 16:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | from parks for sure - we don't want to end like Moscow |
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| 16:52.27 | |R | here it's 9 meters from public buildings and illegal in any commercial space. But not at home, cars (yet, but maybe soon when kids are inside), ... |
| 16:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | so if some cop points at a tree or lawn and declares "no smoking" there's pretty much nothing you can say against it |
| 16:52.39 | |R | it's still legal on restaurant's terrace |
| 16:52.46 | RST38h | Doc: This shit has nothing to do with smokers, to be fair |
| 16:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yep, I know |
| 16:53.25 | RST38h | Doc: Peat bogs have been dried since the 30s, when they were going to mine peat |
| 16:53.51 | RST38h | Doc: And they are said to be burning permanently, deep inside. |
| 16:54.33 | jacekowski | smoking should be completly banned |
| 16:54.48 | jacekowski | well, maybe in special designated smoking areas |
| 16:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | some Russian greenpeace or somesuch dude made a point about it's getting nasty when the Tchernobyl contaminated peats start burning. All the ticking pollution goes back up into the air |
| 16:56.01 | |R | I'd be nice if more drugs were legalized but forbidden everywhere except home and maybe very special locations |
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| 16:56.10 | RST38h | Doc: Yea, nice plan |
| 16:56.39 | RST38h | Doc: Probably won't make much of a difference though, but sounds scary enough in the papers |
| 16:57.30 | jacekowski | |R: sort of, if it would be legal from age of 18 or something like that |
| 16:57.58 | jacekowski | |R: and controlled that it would be really hard to get if you are under that age |
| 16:58.14 | |R | yep |
| 16:58.49 | jacekowski | and reasonably high tax |
| 16:58.55 | |R | that too |
| 16:58.59 | kerio | |R: you mean like alcohol? |
| 16:59.03 | kerio | and nicotine? |
| 16:59.08 | kerio | and caffeine? |
| 16:59.13 | jacekowski | so everybody else wouldn't have to pay for treating addicts |
| 16:59.14 | kerio | i agree with that |
| 16:59.41 | |R | among others yes |
| 16:59.43 | jacekowski | i'll be back later |
| 16:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | and jogging, freeclimbing, TV... |
| 17:00.10 | |R | hehe |
| 17:00.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, sports make the brain release endorphines |
| 17:00.40 | kerio | omg best drug ever |
| 17:00.40 | kerio | artificial endorphines |
| 17:00.47 | kerio | i'll be rich |
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| 17:01.18 | |R | that and dopamine |
| 17:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | TV makes body release stupidol |
| 17:01.23 | |R | and serotonine |
| 17:01.27 | |R | and other -ine |
| 17:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | wanders over to TV... |
| 17:02.00 | RST38h | yea |
| 17:02.29 | RST38h | and attach 'em to beds |
| 17:02.48 | RST38h | feed intravenously, remove waste with a catheter |
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| 17:07.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: don't do it |
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| 17:34.25 | nox- | moin |
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| 17:37.19 | tobis87 | HI! Does someone know, why fcam changes sched_rt_runtime_us? Inside fcam.conf: "echo "-1" > /proc/sys/kernel/sched_rt_runtime_us" |
| 17:38.03 | nox- | is it true that fbreader has no keyboard control on n900? |
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| 17:40.07 | tobis87 | I need to know this, since I compiled the fcam modules myself and I'm not sure if it's save to just replace the original modules, without this cmd. |
| 17:41.44 | crashanddie | I think my lucky star is about to blow up |
| 17:42.21 | crashanddie | I just found 5800 GBP on one of my accounts |
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| 17:46.24 | GAN900 | How many damn accounts do you having lying around? |
| 17:46.45 | crashanddie | well |
| 17:46.47 | tobis87 | Documentation/scheduler/sched-rt-group.txt: "very small values in sched_rt_runtime_us can result in an unstable system when the runtime is so small the system has difficulty making forward progress", well "-1" seems to be very small to me. Why is this value needed for the fcam modules? |
| 17:46.48 | crashanddie | this is a retirement plan |
| 17:47.12 | crashanddie | so I was just blindly putting money into it, every month (my ex-employer took care of that, so I never noticed) |
| 17:47.35 | crashanddie | I just found this piece of paper, with the reference, looked it up online, created an account, and I've got a few grand sitting idly |
| 17:48.45 | GAN900 | Weee |
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| 17:49.39 | nox- | thats cool |
| 17:50.03 | crashanddie | well, that's my funding for the new motorbike :D |
| 17:51.01 | crashanddie | GAN900: or a 5dmk2? |
| 17:51.20 | GAN900 | Reinvest it. :P |
| 17:51.27 | crashanddie | well, I need to pay the old bike |
| 17:51.32 | crashanddie | so that's about 3000 euros gone |
| 17:51.38 | crashanddie | which leaves about 2500 |
| 17:52.32 | GAN900 | Reinvest it. |
| 17:53.06 | crashanddie | will do |
| 17:53.50 | GAN900 | In a motorbike? :P |
| 17:54.05 | crashanddie | nha |
| 17:54.37 | crashanddie | a kona kula 2-9-er |
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| 18:19.56 | zacattack__ | any os2007 folks still lurking around |
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| 18:21.56 | luke-jr | zacattack__: OS2007 is 3 years obsolete |
| 18:21.59 | zacattack__ | yeah |
| 18:22.02 | zacattack__ | have an n770 |
| 18:22.05 | zacattack__ | anyways |
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| 18:22.29 | zacattack__ | just going through this bug here :) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 just found the bug, so will go through and read further - if i can't solve through that will chime back in |
| 18:22.31 | povbot | Bug 9905: Internal error. Application 'Web' closed. |
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| 18:23.10 | luke-jr | zacattack__: nobody maintains OS2007 |
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| 18:23.17 | zacattack__ | yeah |
| 18:23.24 | zacattack__ | so there's nothing i can do really except a reflash eh |
| 18:23.26 | T-Co | I installed qtirreco for my N900 and recorded a remote with ubuntu transferred the config file to the phone and loaded a key, but it doesn't seem to send any signals. Does someone know how I could debug this? |
| 18:23.30 | kke | can i set global SOCKS proxy from command line? (so when i'm on irssi i could tunnel pidgin etc through the ssh) |
| 18:23.35 | luke-jr | zacattack__: 770 wasn't really even useful the day it was released IMO |
| 18:23.36 | zacattack__ | unless anyone knows what path the temp files or apps are in that i can clear |
| 18:23.43 | zacattack__ | yeah, IMO, it is still very limited |
| 18:23.45 | zacattack__ | and slow |
| 18:24.08 | luke-jr | zacattack__: I got my C760 with better specs years before 770 was released |
| 18:24.19 | luke-jr | kke: not easily. |
| 18:24.25 | zacattack__ | nice |
| 18:24.38 | zacattack__ | still looking for an N800 or n810, will probably buy one soon |
| 18:24.38 | luke-jr | kke: I have my N900 setup to SOCKS all port 80/443 access when GPRS is active. |
| 18:24.47 | luke-jr | zacattack__: those aren't maintained either |
| 18:24.50 | kke | pidgin has "use environmental settings", i guess that's some _PROXY env variable |
| 18:24.52 | zacattack__ | oh :( |
| 18:25.03 | luke-jr | zacattack__: N900 almost isn't maintained either, probably |
| 18:25.07 | zacattack__ | does anyone know in general where the maemo temp files or .sockets are |
| 18:25.18 | luke-jr | /tmp? |
| 18:25.22 | zacattack__ | i looked in /tmp |
| 18:25.31 | luke-jr | with ls -A ? |
| 18:25.33 | zacattack__ | didn't see anything that looked like it would be a socket for the web browser |
| 18:25.35 | zacattack__ | hmm |
| 18:25.36 | zacattack__ | ll |
| 18:25.37 | zacattack__ | let me a |
| 18:25.37 | kke | luke-jr: unencrypted gprs is fine with me but unencrypted open wifi is bad |
| 18:25.56 | luke-jr | kke: T-Mobile blocks port 80/443 ;) |
| 18:25.59 | kke | ah ok |
| 18:26.15 | luke-jr | kke: it would be trivial to make it everything |
| 18:26.29 | kke | hmm what is t-mobile good for then? |
| 18:26.37 | luke-jr | zacattack__: why would a web browser have a socket? |
| 18:26.47 | kke | or is there a forced proxy? |
| 18:26.57 | zacattack__ | not sure, if there was some kind of lock file |
| 18:27.00 | luke-jr | kke: it's only for their Hiptop devices, and you're supposed to use some lame modifying proxy |
| 18:27.10 | zacattack__ | that would prevent the app web from opening |
| 18:27.16 | zacattack__ | i suppose i can try uninstalling microb |
| 18:27.29 | luke-jr | a lock file isn't a socket |
| 18:27.35 | luke-jr | and it'd be under /var/run |
| 18:28.05 | zacattack__ | ah that's where it is |
| 18:28.08 | zacattack__ | was poking in var |
| 18:36.16 | crashanddie | zacattack__: there is no such thing as an n770 |
| 18:36.24 | zacattack__ | i figured it out |
| 18:36.34 | zacattack__ | deleted download.dat in /home/user/opera/ |
| 18:36.38 | luke-jr | crashanddie: Linux begs to differ |
| 18:36.39 | zacattack__ | web loads fine |
| 18:36.48 | crashanddie | luke-jr: sorry? |
| 18:36.56 | luke-jr | crashanddie: all the drivers for Linux are for "n770" |
| 18:37.03 | crashanddie | well, they're wrong |
| 18:37.08 | crashanddie | the device's name is "770" |
| 18:37.14 | zacattack__ | aah right |
| 18:37.17 | crashanddie | there is no n |
| 18:37.26 | zacattack__ | right it's just an abbreviation that people used |
| 18:37.34 | zacattack__ | to refer to it instead of calling it the Nokia 770 |
| 18:37.39 | crashanddie | erhm, no |
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| 18:37.43 | crashanddie | it's a misnomer |
| 18:37.51 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:37.58 | crashanddie | the n800 or n810 do have a N in their name |
| 18:37.59 | zacattack__ | yeah pretty much |
| 18:38.07 | crashanddie | the 770 doesn't |
| 18:38.15 | luke-jr | meh |
| 18:38.21 | luke-jr | I still liked C760 better |
| 18:38.22 | luke-jr | :P |
| 18:38.30 | crashanddie | anyway, going to water the gardens |
| 18:38.31 | crashanddie | 'later |
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| 18:52.38 | kenya888 | Hi! all:-) Does anyone know Fremantle extras-devel repository status? I succeeded my pkg on autobuilder about seven hours ago, but extras-devel repository hasn't been updated yet:-( |
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| 18:57.56 | zacattack__ | i updated the bug with the workaround |
| 18:57.59 | zacattack__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9905 |
| 18:58.00 | povbot | Bug 9905: Internal error. Application 'Web' closed. |
| 18:58.02 | zacattack__ | works for me :) |
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| 19:06.41 | lcuk | zacattack__, how are you finding your device? |
| 19:06.51 | zacattack__ | oh, it's working ok |
| 19:06.54 | lcuk | pleasd you worked round the issue and made a note of it |
| 19:07.05 | zacattack__ | i mean, it's slow and i would like to upgrade |
| 19:07.06 | lcuk | likes using n810 |
| 19:07.21 | zacattack__ | but i hate to throw out a working usable device |
| 19:07.28 | zacattack__ | maybe i will sell it on craigslist for cheap |
| 19:07.32 | zacattack__ | after getting an 810 |
| 19:07.35 | lcuk | zacattack__, if you install os2008 (diablo/chinook) you get a system overclock |
| 19:07.37 | zacattack__ | it's really my "ipad nano" |
| 19:07.44 | lcuk | max speed ups from 340mhz on the n800 to 400mhz |
| 19:08.02 | zacattack__ | I actually can't remember if i'm running os2k7 HE or 2008 chinook |
| 19:08.03 | lcuk | its not much, but enough of a noticable difference that n800 users smiled when they found out |
| 19:08.19 | lcuk | so is it an n800 you have or a 770? |
| 19:08.21 | zacattack__ | i've flashed to at least 4 different releases |
| 19:08.23 | zacattack__ | it's a 770 |
| 19:08.34 | lcuk | ahh then the overclock I just mentioned is useless |
| 19:09.03 | lcuk | yeah, the 770 is really a case of finding most stable for your use but it wont ever be fully updated |
| 19:09.11 | lcuk | Stskeeps, meego on 770? :p |
| 19:09.14 | Stskeeps | no |
| 19:09.16 | Stskeeps | not going there |
| 19:09.17 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:09.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:09.45 | zacattack__ | right now searching online for the vpnc packages |
| 19:10.42 | zacattack__ | for hybrid auth with SSL cert |
| 19:10.54 | zacattack__ | i think that requires 0.50 or higher version of vpnc |
| 19:11.45 | Arkenoi | 2007he seems to have best usability/stability balance on 770 |
| 19:11.55 | Arkenoi | no flash, though |
| 19:12.22 | luke-jr | install Gentoo! |
| 19:12.28 | luke-jr | runs. fast. |
| 19:13.58 | zacattack__ | what's the best way to verify what version you are running |
| 19:14.27 | luke-jr | uname -a |
| 19:14.30 | zacattack__ | uname says linux nokia-770-36 2.6.16.27-omap1 |
| 19:14.47 | zacattack__ | tue sep 19 16:46:58 EEST 2006 |
| 19:14.56 | zacattack__ | so that's likely gregale i would assume |
| 19:15.09 | zacattack__ | is that correct |
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| 19:17.50 | Mece | evenin |
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| 19:21.25 | Venemo | hi |
| 19:24.29 | Mece | I'm having some strange bugs with a QGraphicsView when it uses a gl viewport.. |
| 19:25.30 | Mece | works like a charm when not using ogl acceleration.. |
| 19:26.30 | Mece | not sure if the problem is qt or pyqt or my code.. sometimes it looks as it should but mostly its got big prolblems.. |
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| 19:31.17 | Mece | what's this? |
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| 19:36.47 | Mece | people have better things to do than help me with my qt issues ona friday night? who knew? |
| 19:37.12 | luke-jr | #Qt is for Qt |
| 19:37.48 | Mece | luke-jr, good point, thanks. |
| 19:38.13 | lcuk | Mece, if you are explaining graphical glitches, best to include pics |
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| 19:45.45 | Mece | lcuk, yep. |
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| 19:51.10 | Venemo | Mece: what sort of issue is that? |
| 19:52.24 | Mece | crashanddie, lol |
| 19:52.32 | kerio | my n900 doesn't vibrate |
| 19:52.34 | kerio | wat do |
| 19:53.09 | Mece | ooo pretty sunset. |
| 19:53.14 | kerio | i get a high-pitched noise |
| 19:53.22 | Mece | is on the ferry to sweden. |
| 19:53.38 | crashanddie | kerio: sounds like the motor is stuck |
| 19:53.49 | Mece | keiro, nokia care |
| 19:54.45 | kerio | crashanddie: how can i unstuck it? |
| 19:54.46 | SpeedEvil | kerio: slap it |
| 19:54.59 | crashanddie | kerio: I use chain oil |
| 19:55.10 | crashanddie | oh wait, for the vibrator? No |
| 19:56.00 | Mece | LOL |
| 19:56.33 | Mece | the interwebs, sir. they appear to be slow! |
| 19:56.59 | Mece | lcuk, venemo, http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2342/d2560dceca8c47c39dd20d4a32699fe3.jpg |
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| 19:57.22 | kerio | didn't MohammadAG51 unstuck his by running it for a whole night or something? |
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| 19:57.24 | kerio | MohammadAG51: halp |
| 19:57.45 | Venemo | Mece: what is the issue? |
| 19:57.51 | BCMM | kerio: just set a nice loud ringtone, and shake it vigourously every time it rings |
| 19:57.58 | Mece | http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2341/a4ae02732e874c75ba52be1f7c1abd2e.jpg |
| 19:58.13 | BCMM | (while making a buzzing sound) |
| 19:58.17 | Venemo | Mece: ah... |
| 19:58.18 | Mece | Venemo, well it's not pretty, is it? |
| 19:58.21 | Venemo | Mece: interesting. |
| 19:58.24 | crashanddie | Mece: gorgeous |
| 19:58.30 | crashanddie | Mece: where are the bees? |
| 19:58.43 | Venemo | Mece: unfortunately, I have no expertise with GL |
| 19:58.51 | Mece | crashanddie, it's a bolard game... |
| 19:59.21 | Mece | s/bolard/board/ |
| 19:59.41 | kerio | stupid sand ._. |
| 20:00.12 | crashanddie | Mece: that makes a lot more sense :D |
| 20:00.35 | kerio | can't i just force it to run? |
| 20:02.42 | Mece | crashanddie, i don't get sarcasm right now (possibly because I'm a little drunk) so I don't know what you mean. |
| 20:03.07 | frals | Mece: silja or viking line? ;-) |
| 20:03.29 | Mece | frals, silja europa |
| 20:03.30 | Mece | frals, you here? |
| 20:03.42 | frals | nah, just curious |
| 20:03.56 | frals | is quite comfortable in HEL |
| 20:05.02 | Mece | frals, going to sonisphere stockholm :) It's more convenient than björneborg/pori since I have many friends in sthm and none in pori. |
| 20:06.21 | frals | cool, youre missing the free "warmup" concerts today thou ;) |
| 20:09.18 | Mece | frals, yeah, oh well. such is life. |
| 20:09.27 | frals | yeah, cant get everything ;) |
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| 20:14.10 | Mece | frals, I'm pretty happy about seeing maiden@, anthrax and fn slayer on the same day. haven't seen any of them the last 5 years. |
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| 20:14.37 | frals | hehe |
| 20:16.12 | lcuk | Mece, have you got yourself any odd scaling on the layout you are using |
| 20:16.31 | lcuk | i have seen bugs where due to scaling limitations you end up with odd artifacts |
| 20:17.07 | Mece | lcuk, hmm.. lemme see. I've done rotating and scaling but.. ok yeah I have scaling there. |
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| 20:17.42 | lcuk | Mece, try it without setting anything specific in the transform (just for the fun) to test |
| 20:17.55 | lcuk | (if thats possible and you can see some of the screen without any messing |
| 20:18.05 | lcuk | it might show exactly the same, but its just a mini hunch |
| 20:18.36 | Mece | whoa... |
| 20:18.38 | Mece | that wa |
| 20:19.24 | Mece | bad. |
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| 20:19.39 | Mece | worse without transformations. much worse. |
| 20:20.41 | Mece | perhaps there's some final rendering that is required. |
| 20:21.24 | Mece | lcuk, http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2342/fcba62599d1e47d68f42a35563865b05.jpg |
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| 20:23.51 | Mece | perhaps the experimental pyqt libs are better.. |
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| 20:26.37 | Mece | interesting, first it renders it correctly, then it blinks and messes things up after a third of a second. |
| 20:28.41 | Mece | eh screw this, I'm going tol bed. I'll work with software rendering for now. |
| 20:28.51 | Mece | tooldes |
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| 20:32.37 | arcol | hi |
| 20:32.54 | Venemo | hi |
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| 20:35.40 | trbs2 | anybody knows if you can slide open the n900 when mounted in the cr-114 car mount ? |
| 20:35.47 | arcol | I try to update my n900 (just bought today). However I have some troubles about the terms |
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| 20:36.02 | arcol | fiasco, eMMC |
| 20:36.05 | trbs2 | wondering if i should buy one or not :) but i want to be able slide the kb open at least :) |
| 20:36.37 | arcol | what does exactly FIASCO means? Also if I update the RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, do I need to flash the eMMC image too? |
| 20:36.42 | arcol | also what exactly eMMC is for? |
| 20:37.27 | jacekowski | arcol: fiasco is and image with modem firmware, 1st stage bootloader, 2nd stage bootloader, modem 1st stage bootloader, modem 2nd stage bootloader, kernel image, and root filesystem |
| 20:37.40 | Venemo | arcol: I'll explain you |
| 20:37.56 | Venemo | arcol: the eMMC is the built-in 32 GB storage |
| 20:38.00 | arcol | also what is the latest image? |
| 20:38.20 | jacekowski | arcol: that's stored in 256M OneNAND that's faster than eMMC and in modem flash |
| 20:38.42 | Venemo | arcol: the "fiasco" image is the firmware itself, while the eMMC image contains stuff for the 32GB storage |
| 20:38.43 | jacekowski | arcol: eMMC is a big 32G eMMC memory where your files reside |
| 20:38.44 | arcol | I dont exactly understand these complicated names, when there are only 4-5 versions (PR1.2, PR1.1.1, PR1.1 and some 2009 version) |
| 20:39.01 | Venemo | arcol: there is a date |
| 20:39.03 | jacekowski | arcol: you have to flash both |
| 20:39.07 | Venemo | arcol: but PR 1.2 is the newest |
| 20:39.21 | jacekowski | arcol: eMMC and then fiasco and don't reboot between |
| 20:39.25 | Venemo | arcol: if you are not sure, try upgrading over the air |
| 20:39.34 | arcol | so I need to flash fiasco and after emmc image? I dont see any matching versions |
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| 20:39.45 | jacekowski | arcol: no |
| 20:39.49 | jacekowski | arcol: eMMC goes first |
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| 20:39.59 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 20:40.00 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:40.11 | arcol | "NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that." |
| 20:40.25 | jacekowski | flash eMMC first |
| 20:40.27 | arcol | from: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
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| 20:40.32 | jacekowski | well, it doesn't matter |
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| 20:40.39 | jacekowski | as long as you don't reboot in between |
| 20:40.41 | t0EhAPDb8zz5WQ | Did you know? The_Thing AKA "The Thing That Should Not Be" calls himself as such because he survived THREE separate abortion attempts! 7c4NJj2OqM |
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| 20:40.48 | t0EhAPDb8zz5WQ | Did you know? The_Thing AKA "The Thing That Should Not Be" calls himself as such because he survived THREE separate abortion attempts! 6R0yEnPAf |
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| 20:41.18 | arcol | also what is the matching versions? |
| 20:41.19 | jacekowski | but if you reboot then it's better to flash eMMC first |
| 20:41.29 | jacekowski | the one where it says latest |
| 20:41.32 | arcol | fiasco: PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 |
| 20:41.48 | arcol | there is no eMMC matching version |
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| 20:42.14 | arcol | this one?: eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 |
| 20:42.34 | andre__ | should work |
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| 20:42.39 | jacekowski | arcol: it says latest on right hand side |
| 20:42.40 | gziCftkxk3XGqK | I am sick to death of the ludicrous anti-Nintendo ravings of you pissed-off geeks. Do you really believe the rest of us don't see right through your mental pathology? Your entire conosole philosophy boils down to this: "The cool kids picked on me in high school, and I can't get over it. I hate the Wii" dX5qd |
| 20:42.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.43 | gziCftkxk3XGqK | this ignore list is for losers, boozers, those boring and self-whoring and folks unwilling to represent memories of Tupac and keep the dream of the Black Planet alive. AUfJp |
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| 20:42.53 | arcol | jacekowski: ok. Thanks |
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| 20:43.33 | Stskeeps | niko: we're being hit with some strange web gateway attacks |
| 20:43.35 | arcol | There should be some definitive guide to n900. The wiki is detailed, but hard to get a fast overview... |
| 20:43.38 | trbs2 | what was that ? |
| 20:43.43 | niko | hi |
| 20:43.48 | trbs2 | hi niko |
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| 20:44.09 | Stskeeps | .. think one of them will illustrate in a moment |
| 20:44.10 | nriRGb | I have been blessed and cursed with two hot ass cousins. Damn what I wouldn't give to hit it. But I never will be able to without consequences. I remember one time when she was 8 she wanted me to sleep in her bed with her and we were going to touch each other. But I still believe in that God fairytale so I turned it down. I still regret it. cl4dYchrMaShp |
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| 20:44.23 | niko | i see |
| 20:44.26 | Stskeeps | yeah.. |
| 20:44.34 | towam | eewww |
| 20:44.42 | towam | wtf that guy is sick |
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| 20:44.45 | towam | thanks for kicking him |
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| 20:44.53 | jacekowski | nooooooo |
| 20:44.55 | jacekowski | not idoru |
| 20:45.07 | jacekowski | power factor |
| 20:45.12 | towam | what's wrong with idoru? |
| 20:45.18 | jacekowski | he killed me couple times |
| 20:45.23 | jacekowski | for saying power factor |
| 20:45.27 | Stskeeps | you probably deserved it :P |
| 20:45.30 | jacekowski | well, it |
| 20:45.32 | Saul_Goodman | power factor |
| 20:45.33 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 20:45.52 | towam | say "power factor" many times |
| 20:46.03 | Saul_Goodman | idoru will become self-aware |
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| 20:47.27 | jacekowski | ? |
| 20:47.29 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: should keep unregistered users from talking |
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| 20:58.49 | crashanddie | lmao |
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| 20:59.28 | crashanddie | some guy is telling me he refuses to register because "the registration process is too dangerous", and that "registering would allow bad people to abuse him" |
| 20:59.49 | Stskeeps | anyway, danger seems to be over so we can remove it again |
| 21:00.06 | crashanddie | I can't see join/parts, nothing anymore? |
| 21:00.20 | Stskeeps | now for 15 mins at least |
| 21:00.23 | crashanddie | k |
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| 21:00.42 | crashanddie | towam: you can talk now |
| 21:00.50 | towam | I dont want to anymore |
| 21:01.06 | crashanddie | towam: though: "the registration process is dangerous" is NOT a valid excuse |
| 21:01.14 | towam | It is |
| 21:01.44 | crashanddie | how so? |
| 21:01.53 | towam | so |
| 21:01.57 | crashanddie | I mean, feel free to enlighten me, but now you're just pressing my buttons |
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| 21:03.22 | towam | u have buttons? |
| 21:04.24 | towam | ok u r rude |
| 21:04.28 | towam | fuk u |
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| 21:12.18 | arcol | is it somebody aware how to install enlightenment libraries to n900? |
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| 21:17.27 | Davide | if I flash my N900 with the flasher software and latest firmware, this will wipe out the whole previous installation including rootfs correct? and reinstall it of course |
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| 21:19.15 | andre__ | Davide: emmc image will overwrite rootfs stuff, yes. |
| 21:19.28 | Davide | ok |
| 21:19.53 | Davide | I'm having such a strange problem... when my screen goes blank after the 30 seconds, I cannot get it to unblank |
| 21:20.05 | Davide | sometimes it does unblank after several tries |
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| 21:20.32 | andre__ | Davide, how do you try to unblank it? |
| 21:20.35 | Davide | the N900 is fully operational in the background, but blank screen |
| 21:20.45 | Davide | with the side button, opening the lens cover |
| 21:20.53 | Davide | or sliding the keyboard |
| 21:20.59 | andre__ | power button at the top too? |
| 21:21.01 | Jartza | greeting from Assembly |
| 21:21.08 | Davide | or even if the screen is not locked, it should unblank by just touching it it does not |
| 21:21.11 | Davide | yes the power button as well |
| 21:21.22 | andre__ | hmm. weird. |
| 21:21.27 | Davide | if I turn off the device it takes several tries for it to turn back on |
| 21:21.36 | andre__ | any "interesting" 3rd party apps installed (extras-devel)? |
| 21:21.40 | andre__ | hmm |
| 21:21.51 | GAN900 | Hi, andre__. |
| 21:21.57 | andre__ | heja GAN900 |
| 21:22.02 | Davide | the only two things that happened were I installed the newest mappero update that was available |
| 21:22.09 | Davide | (which I then uninstalled) |
| 21:22.25 | Davide | and the device dropped on the floor it was about a 1-2 foot drop |
| 21:22.43 | Davide | I am not sure how the drop could have affected it |
| 21:22.55 | Davide | because it works sometimes and it is sporadic... |
| 21:23.07 | Davide | as long as I don't let the screen go blank, it keeps working |
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| 21:25.35 | Davide | shoot there are so many versions of 1.2 available for download... which one is it? |
| 21:26.12 | Knirch | i can't seem to be able to install extra decoders, conflicts with a gstreamer package, is the gstreamer package part of the official maemo packages, or have i managed to install something that shouldnt be there? |
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| 21:37.32 | crashanddie | Knirch: gstreamer is used pretty heavily by maemo in general |
| 21:37.46 | crashanddie | Knirch: cameras, microphone, don't remove it |
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| 21:59.42 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:52.21 | Davide | is using the Nokia software updater to install the latest version the same as flashing the device? |
| 22:52.35 | Davide | for an N900? |
| 22:52.48 | Davide | or do I have to use the command line flasher? |
| 22:54.16 | lcuk | Davide, they should be the same |
| 22:54.25 | Davide | hi lcuk thanks |
| 22:54.28 | lcuk | unless using the command line flasher you install the wrong one |
| 22:54.46 | Davide | man I hope this works |
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| 22:55.05 | lcuk | Davide, just backup using the backup tool |
| 22:55.08 | ieatlint | sometimes i look at automake and just cry that bsd didn't win |
| 22:55.11 | Davide | can't |
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| 22:55.19 | lcuk | and then pretty much whatever happens happens. |
| 22:55.21 | Davide | I'm having a problem the screen won't unblank itself |
| 22:55.21 | lcuk | mmm why? |
| 22:55.30 | lcuk | hm |
| 22:55.36 | lcuk | do you have your tvout cable |
| 22:55.41 | lcuk | and a tv handy |
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| 22:55.45 | Davide | when it goes blank it won't unblank... then sometimes it does |
| 22:55.50 | lcuk | you could then confirm if its screen ;) |
| 22:56.01 | Davide | ya but when I turn it off it won't even start back up the device |
| 22:56.06 | luke-jr | Davide: might just be really slow? |
| 22:56.08 | lcuk | ok so keep it active for a few minutes whilst you backup! |
| 22:56.08 | Davide | sometimes it does but I'm not sure why |
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| 22:56.23 | Davide | well haven't been able to bring it back now for a while |
| 22:56.26 | lcuk | hmmm Davide thats odd |
| 22:56.29 | Davide | I"m gonna try to flash |
| 22:56.32 | lcuk | ok |
| 22:56.33 | Davide | can't really turn it on |
| 22:56.37 | lcuk | then, good luck! |
| 22:56.44 | Davide | hehe ok brb |
| 22:56.56 | lcuk | what does the chage led look like when its plugged in |
| 22:57.02 | Davide | it charges |
| 22:57.04 | lcuk | does it get as far as solid green if you leave it |
| 22:57.12 | Davide | hang on brb |
| 22:57.13 | Davide | restarting |
| 22:57.15 | lcuk | right, cos flashing is the one time you need as much charge as feasible |
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| 22:59.05 | Davide | back |
| 22:59.38 | lcuk | ieatlint, automake is necessary evil isnt it? |
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| 23:00.03 | Davide | lcuk I guess I have not charged it enough for the green light to come on... since this started happening |
| 23:00.17 | Davide | it's pretty much fully charged now, but I didn't wait for the green |
| 23:00.37 | lcuk | fair enough, did the flash flash |
| 23:01.03 | Davide | about to try |
| 23:01.46 | ieatlint | no, it's not necessary, just evil |
| 23:02.11 | lcuk | ieatlint, i understand |
| 23:02.18 | Davide | oh shoot it requires that the device be on?? |
| 23:02.19 | Davide | :P |
| 23:02.26 | lcuk | i have some things which don't use autotools at all |
| 23:02.36 | Davide | as in on with an online profile |
| 23:02.36 | Davide | wtf |
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| 23:02.50 | ieatlint | i'm not the biggest fan of qt, but qmake does make me smile |
| 23:02.54 | Mousey | thinks . o O ( sam? ) |
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| 23:03.17 | lcuk | ieatlint, thats not an unreasonable thing |
| 23:03.24 | lcuk | its had a lot of thought put into it |
| 23:03.34 | ieatlint | what a contrast :P |
| 23:03.48 | ieatlint | i should go find stallman and punch him... he's probably used to it |
| 23:03.56 | lcuk | :| |
| 23:04.13 | lcuk | no - it might have its downsides |
| 23:04.33 | lcuk | but like lots of linux it does hold up and allow building and pretesting on various systems |
| 23:04.36 | ieatlint | i think a judge would understand.. |
| 23:05.06 | ieatlint | i've run into more problems with autotools itself than i think it's prevented -- ESPECIALLY with cross compiling |
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| 23:06.16 | smhar | how to port simple programs from linux to maemo, if there are no dependencies, just a compile for arm and move to N900? |
| 23:06.21 | Arkenoi | hates autotools. if programs author never tried to build it o any non-linux system, it almost certainly won't |
| 23:06.24 | johnsq | autotools are broken by design |
| 23:06.55 | lcuk | smhar, if its anything like the experience I had |
| 23:07.05 | lcuk | download source from debian into scratchbox |
| 23:07.09 | lcuk | dpkg_buildpackage |
| 23:07.12 | Davide | lcuk nothing :( |
| 23:07.13 | lcuk | submit to autobuilder |
| 23:07.45 | lcuk | thats for a library though, for more UI facing stuff, or with odd dependencies then you may have more work |
| 23:08.26 | Davide | when I connect it, it keeps finding the usb storage device, but of course it cannot access the drive |
| 23:08.51 | Davide | and the N900 still does not turn on |
| 23:08.54 | lcuk | Davide, use wall charger first |
| 23:09.01 | Davide | I did |
| 23:09.03 | lcuk | ok |
| 23:09.09 | lcuk | what if you take battery and usb out |
| 23:09.15 | lcuk | and then put battery in on its own? |
| 23:09.23 | Davide | ya tried it several times |
| 23:09.24 | lcuk | (remove sim and mem card too just in case) |
| 23:09.25 | smhar | does the Nokia qt sdk include a scratchbox? |
| 23:09.26 | lcuk | bah |
| 23:09.32 | Davide | ok I'll remove sim havent done that |
| 23:09.42 | lcuk | smhar, no, it includes a simulator and afaik mechanism to copy debs |
| 23:10.07 | lcuk | remembers when desktop computers flaked out - removing all extension cards and rebuilding slowly |
| 23:10.12 | lcuk | to identify problem |
| 23:10.27 | lcuk | got quite used to hearing the beeps and knowing which component failed |
| 23:10.31 | Davide | omg this blows! |
| 23:12.39 | lcuk | Davide, good or bad blows? |
| 23:12.45 | Davide | very bad! |
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| 23:12.58 | Davide | damn what do I do now? send it back? |
| 23:13.27 | lcuk | that would generally be the course of action for something not working |
| 23:13.45 | lcuk | but since I do not know your warranty or how you purchased it, thats down to you to get rma etc |
| 23:14.05 | Davide | well it's within the 1 year of course |
| 23:14.55 | nox- | hm odes the warranty cover dropping the device tho? (or was that not you?) |
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| 23:16.38 | Butterzsan | @find rossetta stone |
| 23:17.06 | ieatlint | heh |
| 23:17.16 | ieatlint | man, that is intelligence right there |
| 23:17.17 | Butterzsan | >.> |
| 23:17.27 | ieatlint | Butterzsan: did you design autotools? |
| 23:17.34 | Butterzsan | nope |
| 23:18.17 | Butterzsan | you know of a server where I can download software such as the above searched |
| 23:18.57 | jacekowski | google |
| 23:19.40 | Butterzsan | yeah I tried that |
| 23:19.40 | mortini | Butterzsan: http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 23:20.29 | ieatlint | he probably tried that too... it's the first place i look |
| 23:20.34 | Butterzsan | what is that |
| 23:21.17 | lcuk | Butterzsan, you are on the internet |
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| 23:21.47 | mortini | ieatlint: yeah, but it's kind of intermittant, so it's best to keep trying. |
| 23:22.10 | mortini | sometimes it works, but not always |
| 23:22.18 | Butterzsan | yeah of course I am. The site is not loading |
| 23:22.32 | ieatlint | some people have more luck than others with it |
| 23:22.46 | mortini | yeah, just gotta keep trying |
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| 23:25.19 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue, what I need to do, to make my N800 work normally after replacing the internal battery? (the power button does not work as expected, when I plugin the main battery, the N800 just comes on, and I can't turn it off) |
| 23:26.30 | Davide | man the nokia warranty page just takes me to non existant page |
| 23:28.40 | WormFood | that is because their warranty is non-existant |
| 23:28.59 | WormFood | that is why I'll NEVER buy another nokia product |
| 23:30.05 | Davide | ? |
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