| 00:00.51 | ShadowJK | I've been in completely dark hole before, with the only illumination being the stars, obscued by trees :-) |
| 00:01.01 | ShadowJK | ears were more useful |
| 00:01.45 | SpeedEvil | You can - under the right conditions - see the shadow cast by venus |
| 00:02.06 | crashanddie | a lot of people have been able to see the direction of vegas from over 300 miles away, during overcast nights -- the light bounces off the clouds and off the ground. Another neat trick is to use long exposure during clear nights. Exposure of 30s at around f2 will allow you to spot most cities because of the light they emit towards the sky (the camera actually picks up the light being catching on the humidity in the air, causing |
| 00:02.12 | jacekowski | what was the name of that pair of two stars |
| 00:02.26 | SpeedEvil | The Olsen twins? |
| 00:02.33 | jacekowski | blue and orange one |
| 00:02.38 | crashanddie | he said stars |
| 00:02.38 | Ken-Young | Alberio |
| 00:02.51 | Ken-Young | Beta Cygni |
| 00:02.55 | crashanddie | ever heard of a pair of three? |
| 00:02.59 | SpeedEvil | I guess he has that on highlight. :) |
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| 00:03.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that reminds me. |
| 00:03.33 | crashanddie | boobies? |
| 00:03.44 | SpeedEvil | I need to try astrophotography with PR1.2 |
| 00:03.52 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 00:03.57 | SpeedEvil | I tried it with 1.1, stacking frames, but it diddn't work |
| 00:04.04 | SpeedEvil | And yes, it's very, very silly - but meh. |
| 00:04.09 | crashanddie | well, you need good 1s exposures really |
| 00:04.15 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:04.25 | crashanddie | well, depends on your focal length really |
| 00:04.26 | DangerMaus | so doc i used the internal gps today forgot to brimgthe external reciever wow it usd the battery up |
| 00:04.29 | SpeedEvil | And a sensor that is not hopelessly noisy. |
| 00:04.45 | crashanddie | what is the n900's focal length? Something like 30mm? |
| 00:04.57 | SpeedEvil | more like 3 |
| 00:05.06 | crashanddie | well, I'm talking in 35mm equiv |
| 00:05.08 | SpeedEvil | I think you mean F number |
| 00:05.13 | ShadowJK | Can you filter some of the "static"/"invariable" noise away by taking multiple exposures with the sensor blocked as reference? |
| 00:05.15 | crashanddie | no, I don't |
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| 00:05.26 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: yup |
| 00:05.39 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: In principle yes. In practice, there was _way_ too much noise |
| 00:05.43 | ShadowJK | I never quite figured out a ImageMagick recipie for doing that :-) |
| 00:05.52 | jacekowski | it's called stacking |
| 00:06.01 | crashanddie | jacekowski: erhm, no it's not |
| 00:06.03 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 1000 photos only reduce the noise by 30 times. |
| 00:06.08 | jacekowski | i used to do it with old panasonic or philips camera |
| 00:06.16 | jacekowski | to make some night photos of sky |
| 00:06.18 | ShadowJK | But like, there are some pixels that are /always/ brighter than other pixels |
| 00:06.35 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: yeah, when the sensor is being used, the power that runs through it makes it heat up |
| 00:06.36 | ShadowJK | And when you stack, you see nothing except those brighter ones |
| 00:06.56 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: so the longer the exposure, the higher the temp (the actual outside temperature is taken into account too) |
| 00:06.56 | jacekowski | depends on definition of brighter |
| 00:06.57 | SpeedEvil | You stack frames with the sensor covered, then stack them with it uncovered. |
| 00:07.03 | SpeedEvil | you subtract the averages |
| 00:07.03 | ShadowJK | got some usable thunderstorm video with PR1.2 in night mode anyway |
| 00:07.08 | Ken-Young | ShadowJK, That's why you take a "flat frame" of a blank white object. |
| 00:07.20 | SpeedEvil | And yeah - that |
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| 00:07.35 | jacekowski | btw. i have question about one of buttons in that button thingy in top menu |
| 00:07.35 | crashanddie | I don't like stacking |
| 00:07.42 | SpeedEvil | a 'bright' frame (well - very dim) to work out sensitivity at very low brightnesses. |
| 00:07.43 | crashanddie | I don't mind long exposures though |
| 00:07.46 | jacekowski | it looks like a keyboard |
| 00:07.49 | ShadowJK | Well a "flat frame" or a calibration frame or whatever.. to take into account the constant difference between subpixels |
| 00:07.54 | jacekowski | with red/green circle in bottom right corner |
| 00:07.57 | jacekowski | wtf is it? |
| 00:08.01 | jacekowski | and what installed it? |
| 00:08.28 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: ever tried multiple exposures? |
| 00:08.33 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 00:08.38 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, do you have lfocus? |
| 00:08.39 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I had an epiphany today, hang on, lemme link |
| 00:08.40 | ShadowJK | live focus? |
| 00:08.44 | ShadowJK | it sounds familiar |
| 00:08.44 | jacekowski | yes |
| 00:08.50 | SpeedEvil | I tried stacking 1000 dark, and 1000 live images |
| 00:08.57 | SpeedEvil | it did nothing. |
| 00:09.02 | Ken-Young | We need to experiment with cooling the N900 for astrophotography. |
| 00:09.02 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: not stacking, multi-exposure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4842918435/ |
| 00:09.23 | luke-jr | how do you do video with N900 anyhow? |
| 00:09.31 | crashanddie | luke-jr: settings, video |
| 00:09.38 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 00:09.44 | crashanddie | luke-jr: I mean, in the camera app |
| 00:09.56 | crashanddie | luke-jr: there's a menu where you can select iso sensitivity, and WB |
| 00:10.00 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, what do you mean? |
| 00:10.40 | achipa | SpeedEvil: what did you use for stacking ? |
| 00:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | It actually took me some time to figure as well |
| 00:11.02 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: making video files |
| 00:11.12 | SpeedEvil | achipa: pnmarith, and pnmtools generally |
| 00:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | click on wrench, select automatic-video |
| 00:11.27 | luke-jr | I see no Video in settings |
| 00:11.39 | achipa | hm, have not tried them for astrostuff... that's mostly registax land |
| 00:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | not in SETTINGS, in CAMERA |
| 00:11.48 | luke-jr | yeah, in Camera Settings |
| 00:11.59 | luke-jr | I see White balance, ISO sensitivity, Exposure, and Resolution |
| 00:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | damn, the botton two |
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| 00:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | in PR1.2 genuine cam |
| 00:12.30 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, camera app. Icons on right: X (close camera app), MODE (Tap to select camera modes), Microphone (TAP to enable/disable mic), Settings Wrench (yada yada), Playback (launch media player) |
| 00:12.33 | luke-jr | that's what I have⦠|
| 00:12.35 | crashanddie | luke-jr: sorry, not wrench anymore, on "A" |
| 00:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry, not the wrench |
| 00:12.38 | crashanddie | luke-jr: the top one |
| 00:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | the 2nd from top icon on the right |
| 00:12.48 | achipa | SpeedEvil: did you stack full size images or from a video ? |
| 00:12.54 | SpeedEvil | achipa: fullsize images |
| 00:12.56 | ShadowJK | icons on bottom left: time/exposures remaining, General Settings, Quality, EV |
| 00:13.18 | ShadowJK | MODE is like "A" by default |
| 00:13.21 | ShadowJK | automatic photo |
| 00:13.27 | achipa | SpeedEvil: asking since I wanted to experiment with that but did not have a clear sky ever since fcamera was released... |
| 00:13.48 | crashanddie | guys, get a decent camera, good lens, sturdy tripod |
| 00:13.58 | crashanddie | really, a lot more fun than with the n900 |
| 00:14.25 | achipa | crashanddie: erwhat ? for astrophotos ? |
| 00:14.30 | SpeedEvil | It's not in the expectation of results. |
| 00:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: N900 still more fun than nuttin at all |
| 00:14.46 | SpeedEvil | You don't teach a pig to sing expecting it'll be a good singer. |
| 00:14.48 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: true |
| 00:15.03 | SpeedEvil | Just that with autotune, it'll go double-platinum. |
| 00:15.19 | zeltak | hya guys..i have a question since i still very new. lets say i want to install a cli program that i use alot on my nix machine but its not on the repo..how does one do that..it has an ubuntu deb but i assume that wont work right? |
| 00:15.27 | Ken-Young | crashanddie, THink of the satisfaction we'll have when we detect transiting planets around nearby stars with our N900s! |
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| 00:15.41 | jacekowski | you teach pig to sing, add autotune and you get singer that everybody likes |
| 00:15.44 | crashanddie | sandbags to make the tripod hold well, remote control for the camera (admittedly, the n900 can help for that, for specific cameras), loads of coffee, lock-up the mirror and go for it |
| 00:16.02 | SpeedEvil | zeltak: Is the deb for arm? |
| 00:16.26 | zeltak | its deb. lets say i want to use ncdu |
| 00:16.39 | achipa | crashanddie: with a large cam it's actually more difficult to do the stacking stuff... there is a reason why shooting planets with USB cams was a revolution a few years back |
| 00:16.55 | zeltak | there are lots of cool cli apps i use daily that have debs..but i understand they wont work on maemo with a simple dpkg right? |
| 00:17.06 | ShadowJK | zeltak, So there are different processor architechtures. There's x86, x86-64, PPC, ARM, Sparch, what have you.... |
| 00:17.07 | crashanddie | achipa: no the only reason is that USB cams don't die after 150k shutter actuations |
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| 00:17.16 | ShadowJK | Sparc* |
| 00:17.34 | crashanddie | zeltak: the deb format can contain loads of different things (it's like a zip file, with a decent structure). It can contain binaries for anything ShadowJK cited. |
| 00:17.55 | ShadowJK | Stuff compiled for Sparc wont work on PPC, stuff for x86 or x86-64 (your 32bit or 64bit PC) wont work on ARM |
| 00:18.12 | luke-jr | * |
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| 00:18.34 | luke-jr | stuff for ARM works on my x86-64. the same principles could be applied in reverse |
| 00:18.37 | ShadowJK | This is the biggest issue. Beyond that, there's the issue whether it's compatible with the other software present on the phone |
| 00:18.41 | luke-jr | just need to setup qemu-user right |
| 00:18.46 | crashanddie | luke-jr: please don't confuse people |
| 00:18.48 | ShadowJK | sure, but it's a pain, and it's slow |
| 00:19.10 | ShadowJK | and by slow I mean "wait half a day for it to respond" |
| 00:19.11 | jacekowski | apple rosetta |
| 00:19.12 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: for CLI apps? |
| 00:19.15 | luke-jr | uh no |
| 00:19.17 | zeltak | i think an vm for a curses progra mis an over kill isnt it :)? |
| 00:19.20 | luke-jr | user-mode emulation isn't that slow |
| 00:19.29 | jacekowski | luke-jr: cpu has to be emulated |
| 00:19.34 | luke-jr | zeltak: qemu-user only emulates the CPU, not the whole machine |
| 00:19.35 | jacekowski | JIT would be nice |
| 00:19.36 | achipa | crashanddie: err.. no ? You can record a bazillion frames in video mode on a DSLR today, and still, the usb cams do better |
| 00:19.40 | luke-jr | jacekowski: qemu is JIT |
| 00:19.42 | ShadowJK | qemu does jit |
| 00:19.47 | jacekowski | oO |
| 00:19.49 | jacekowski | since when? |
| 00:19.54 | ShadowJK | since forever? |
| 00:20.07 | jacekowski | that's new for me |
| 00:20.23 | achipa | crashanddie: you need video with SMALL pixels, as weird as it sounds |
| 00:20.23 | luke-jr | that's the *point* of qemu |
| 00:20.23 | crashanddie | achipa: i'd like to see that :) |
| 00:20.33 | zeltak | so how difficult for a neewb would it be to set up then (is qemu the only option then for cli stuff?) |
| 00:20.45 | luke-jr | zeltak: to my knowledge, nobody has actually setup qemu-user on N900 |
| 00:20.58 | zeltak | i see lol...so thats def not for me :) |
| 00:21.09 | jacekowski | let me just build it |
| 00:21.13 | jacekowski | and see how it works |
| 00:21.25 | zeltak | a bit disappointing..i thought that at least terminal/ncurses apps would be easy to run on the terminal |
| 00:21.30 | zeltak | jacekowski: cool thx |
| 00:21.31 | ShadowJK | zeltak, the best option would be to recompile the app for N900 |
| 00:21.32 | crashanddie | achipa: my main point is that you can't put decent glass on a usb cam. You can on an SLR. As you said, recording the images isn't an issue, and diminishing sensor resolution isn't a problem either. |
| 00:22.00 | ShadowJK | if it's open source it should be "trivial" to do in the SDK |
| 00:22.07 | ShadowJK | Though getting the SDK installed is non-trivial :) |
| 00:22.26 | zeltak | ShadowJK: i have done some recompiling under nix (not alot granted) is it similar? to you config, make, make install? |
| 00:22.42 | achipa | crashanddie: glass on usb ? what glass ? :) anyway, I already mated my N900 with my Skywatcher ED and let me tell you, it does a very decent job |
| 00:22.49 | ShadowJK | Well, once the SDK is installed and you figure out how to actually "go into" the SDK... |
| 00:23.13 | ShadowJK | Mind quoting the full filename of the .deb you'd try install? |
| 00:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10035 to http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10046, all genuine PR1.2 with nightmode and several different whitebalance and exposure settings. Shot them the dumbass way, with one hand, standing (as worse as it gets) |
| 00:23.45 | zeltak | hmmm sure i havent tried to install it yet but one sec |
| 00:24.25 | achipa | crashanddie: though I'm not sure I understand the decent glass part - you're supposed to stick it to a telescope/eyepiece, and that part does the 'real work' |
| 00:24.51 | crashanddie | achipa: not stacking, but a different kind of photography I'm quite into |
| 00:24.54 | crashanddie | achipa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LsSPynV4dY&hd=1 |
| 00:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | moon always got a red phatom spot |
| 00:25.36 | zeltak | ShadowJK: for example "ncdu" in the ubuntu repo is that what you mean in quoting? |
| 00:25.57 | nox- | wow seems the n900's cam is not that bad... :) |
| 00:25.57 | achipa | crashanddie: heh, timelapse, always fun |
| 00:26.17 | crashanddie | achipa: that's one of the best TL videos around |
| 00:26.24 | luke-jr | N900 strikes me as a "Jack of all trades" tool |
| 00:26.25 | ShadowJK | zeltak, nope |
| 00:26.50 | ShadowJK | zeltak, but if you've added repos, any repo with "x86", "i386", "x86-64", "amd64" in their name wont work |
| 00:26.50 | luke-jr | low-end digital camera, low-end GPS, low-end FM radio, low-end phone, usable for light computing |
| 00:27.08 | zeltak | another really cool program (that i reccomend to all of you is task warrir):http://taskwarrior.org/wiki/taskwarrior/Download |
| 00:27.10 | luke-jr | great budget combination device |
| 00:27.21 | zeltak | ShadowJK: nah i havnt added the repos of course..im not that new ..lol |
| 00:27.33 | luke-jr | I would prefer a "Polymath" equivalent (excelling in all areas), but nobody makes that ⺠|
| 00:27.44 | ShadowJK | zeltak, have you checked out easy-debian? |
| 00:27.54 | achipa | crashanddie: it's cool all right, no complaints here :) |
| 00:27.55 | ShadowJK | It's a more user friendly way to run whatever is in debian |
| 00:27.56 | zeltak | luke-jr: i find the camera spectaculr compared to ALL of my prev phones |
| 00:28.24 | zeltak | easy debian seemed intimidating :) |
| 00:29.13 | luke-jr | zeltak: N900 isn't a phone |
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| 00:29.15 | nox- | `ubuntu done right'? :) |
| 00:29.27 | luke-jr | zeltak: I'm comparing it to *digital cameras* in that area ;) |
| 00:29.35 | luke-jr | zeltak: there are plenty of 8 MP and 12 MP digicams |
| 00:29.37 | luke-jr | and probably better |
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| 00:30.52 | zeltak | i see well compared to a dig.camera then maybe but u had a n97,htc 3gtouch etc..and they all sucked compared to the m900 camera |
| 00:31.02 | luke-jr | so a Polymath device would have at least 12 MP back-camera, better phone (MMS, conference calls, etc), better GPS (offline routing, audible driving directions, locate food on the route, etc), and fully usable as a handheld computer (keyboard you can write code with) |
| 00:31.05 | ShadowJK | megapixels doesn't make something better :-) |
| 00:31.22 | ShadowJK | 12 megapixel cellphone sensor is about as good as a 2 megapixel DSLR sensor |
| 00:31.23 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I'm assuming the accompanying camera hw is on par w/ MP |
| 00:31.32 | luke-jr | zeltak: N97, etc are phones |
| 00:31.32 | achipa | crashanddie: the reason small-sensor cams are good for planet-style objects is that you're (as funny as it sounds) in effect shooting macro - and the N900 does pretty well in that department |
| 00:31.35 | luke-jr | zeltak: N900 is not a phone |
| 00:31.52 | Ken-Young | Yes it is. |
| 00:32.13 | zeltak | isnt it..i could have sworn i purchsed a phone when i got it on ebay ;-) |
| 00:32.26 | luke-jr | zeltak: eBay isn't strict on such marketting terms |
| 00:32.36 | zeltak | but i see what u mean luke-jr it really is much more powerfull then a phone :) |
| 00:32.42 | Ken-Young | Enven Nokia calls it a phone in some contexts. |
| 00:32.42 | achipa | it's a medieval religion. you either die fighting for it or defending it, eh ? ;) |
| 00:32.45 | luke-jr | especially since it doubles as a low-end phone as one of its funcitons |
| 00:32.57 | zeltak | even steve jobs'es "SUPA-PHONES" ..lol |
| 00:33.11 | achipa | HSUPA ! |
| 00:33.14 | luke-jr | N900 is as much a GPS as it is a phone ⺠|
| 00:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | afaik N95 and N900 share same 5MP camera module |
| 00:33.36 | luke-jr | and digital camera, etc |
| 00:33.40 | Ken-Young | Objects can belong to more than one class. |
| 00:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | and pict quality is comparable |
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| 00:34.11 | jacekowski | hmm, it's building |
| 00:34.18 | luke-jr | Ken-Young: nobody calls iBooks cameras, even though they have that function |
| 00:34.21 | zeltak | jacekowski: cool :) |
| 00:34.23 | luke-jr | er |
| 00:34.25 | luke-jr | MacBook Pros |
| 00:34.41 | jacekowski | hmm, static build is a no go |
| 00:35.02 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: wha ? what do you mean same module ? |
| 00:35.12 | SpeedEvil | The n900 camera is not 5 'real' megapixels - that is - it cannot resolve 5 actual megapixels. |
| 00:35.17 | SpeedEvil | achipa: the plug-in camera |
| 00:35.27 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: even if you change the camera mode to 5 MP? |
| 00:35.30 | SpeedEvil | It has 5 million pixels. |
| 00:35.50 | achipa | you mean the connector/layout surely, not the sensor ? |
| 00:35.52 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: There are 5 million light sensors. The lens is too small physically to allow it to resolve 5MP |
| 00:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | acidjazz: how many different interpretations of my sttaement do you have in mind? |
| 00:36.16 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: lenses are optical. optics doesn't have a limit to resolution |
| 00:36.23 | jacekowski | it does |
| 00:36.31 | jacekowski | at that size everything get's fuzzy |
| 00:36.51 | jacekowski | and you can't let enough light in |
| 00:37.16 | achipa | feels he got confused with acidjazz :) |
| 00:37.26 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 00:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: sure optics has limits, why do you think they use ultra hard UV for exposing the 35nm masks of chips? |
| 00:37.33 | luke-jr | my 8 MP digital camera sits unused now |
| 00:37.41 | luke-jr | becuase it doesn't apply GPS info to pictures |
| 00:37.48 | luke-jr | and upload them to Facebook in a click |
| 00:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | acidjazz: sorry, meant for achipa |
| 00:38.40 | luke-jr | this jack-of-all-trades device excels in two things: diversity and integration ⺠|
| 00:38.40 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: it sounded like you wanted to say they share the same module, as in same sensor and all |
| 00:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I seem to remember |
| 00:39.20 | SpeedEvil | achipa: there is a spare part list somewhere that lists a crossreference to a couple of phones. |
| 00:39.32 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: the N900 has this et8k dynastron, and I'm pretty sure the N95 has a micron cmos sensor... |
| 00:39.36 | SpeedEvil | achipa: As in the same exact part number fits different ponoes |
| 00:39.52 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it was the n95 thogh |
| 00:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: maybe I'm totally wrong, then nvm |
| 00:40.31 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: google says Micron MT9P001 for N95 and AFAIK the dynastron is quite a bit newer |
| 00:40.44 | achipa | (not that it matters) |
| 00:41.00 | achipa | (as the pictures *are* comparable) |
| 00:41.12 | jacekowski | at the moment we reached point where it's optic that's limiting phone cameras capabilities |
| 00:41.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor |
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| 00:41.37 | SpeedEvil | The camera is a 5MP imager, with a Dual LED flash. It is compatible with the N96, N85, N79 and N900 |
| 00:42.00 | SpeedEvil | Ah - though the ref I linked to for that is now down |
| 00:42.33 | achipa | jacekowski: I though the biggest limit was the human factor, wanting to take photos in the worst possible conditions and applying the worst photography techniques |
| 00:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles N95, N96 all the same cr.... |
| 00:43.20 | achipa | let's see what the N8 can do :) |
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| 00:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | fsck N8 |
| 00:43.43 | achipa | (too bad we won't see hacks like the fcamera for it) |
| 00:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | fsck N8's OS, to be specific |
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| 00:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: seen my links above? seems tha applies to all of them |
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| 00:45.30 | zeltak | so i think ill give up on installing cli apps myself..what curses/cli u guys are using and can recommend? |
| 00:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | still I think it's *amazing* for a crappy little sensor in a phone |
| 00:45.51 | luke-jr | zeltak: ⦠you need to tell us what kind of app you want |
| 00:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | that friggin thing has almost better nightview than my good eyes have |
| 00:46.21 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: yeah, don't know about N96 and all, just did play a bit with the N95 and don't recall it be the same family... |
| 00:46.47 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: almost ? it sure does better than MY eyes :) |
| 00:47.04 | SpeedEvil | achipa: the n95 is not the same sensor - see the above list |
| 00:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, I got exceptionally good eye vision |
| 00:47.16 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately I forgot to save a copy of the page |
| 00:47.17 | achipa | SpeedEvil: yes, yes, we established that :) |
| 00:47.21 | zeltak | well i would love a good todo lsit (task warrior) that i could sync between the n900 and th pc? |
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| 00:47.27 | SpeedEvil | Ah - ok - sorry - I'm mostly asleep |
| 00:47.45 | zeltak | thats a killer cli app |
| 00:47.53 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: I have an exceptionally good vision, too, at least up to about 25cm from my face... :D :( |
| 00:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 00:48.18 | luke-jr | zeltak: sync what? with what program? |
| 00:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | I need to hold N900 xchat at least at 60cm distance to read fuently, on a 11PT NOKIA font |
| 00:49.02 | zeltak | luke-jr: a todo list (see http://taskwarrior.org/projects/show/taskwarrior/) |
| 00:49.12 | achipa | SpeedEvil: I'm sleepy too, too much beer, and a will have to wait for 10 more minutes for IT crowd to start... prolly will fall asleep watching :) |
| 00:49.22 | luke-jr | zeltak: oh, that's easy |
| 00:49.25 | luke-jr | I just use nano :D |
| 00:49.30 | luke-jr | and scp |
| 00:49.45 | luke-jr | actually, I really use fish kioslave on my desktop |
| 00:50.01 | zeltak | i see |
| 00:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | anybody capable of playback http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 on desktop linux? how? |
| 00:50.39 | zeltak | if one was to try to "compile" app for the cli is that difficult or pretty straightforward? |
| 00:51.05 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: plays back for me... |
| 00:51.16 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: flash 10 ? |
| 00:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | browser? flash version? |
| 00:51.40 | SpeedEvil | achipa: iplayer |
| 00:51.59 | SpeedEvil | achipa: Oh |
| 00:52.14 | SpeedEvil | achipa: I guess you're not actually in the UK on reflection of the current time. |
| 00:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, when I try to "update to newest flash player" on FF, it tells me some rap about "already installed, but key doesn't match" or somesuch |
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| 00:52.49 | luke-jr | "Videos are unable to play. Either you have an older version of Adobe's Flash player, or javascript is turned off. Update to the latest Flash player." |
| 00:52.50 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: ffox 3.6, flash 10.1 |
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| 00:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: exactly |
| 00:53.19 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: ubuntu 9.10... |
| 00:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | update fails |
| 00:53.47 | nox- | plays fine here on freebsd even |
| 00:53.55 | achipa | I stocked up on 64bit flash 10.1 before they pulled it |
| 00:54.17 | achipa | you do know that adobe pulled 64 flash 10.1 for linux ? |
| 00:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | FF3.5.4 |
| 00:54.23 | nox- | you like security holes? :) |
| 00:54.39 | luke-jr | stocked up? O.o |
| 00:54.59 | nox- | (not that flash ever is/was secure...) |
| 00:55.11 | luke-jr | refuses to install Flash |
| 00:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | adobe flash player yeah noversion-great-suckers |
| 00:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: exactly |
| 00:56.29 | nox- | wouldnt use it without something like noscript either |
| 00:57.44 | luke-jr | doesn't use it period |
| 00:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10.1_for_Linux_%28.rpm%29 -> barfs and fails |
| 00:58.02 | achipa | luke-jr: installed/updated it and put aside a cache of .debs .rpms for case of reinstalls |
| 00:58.20 | achipa | but they should be kicked in the nuts for their modus operandi |
| 00:58.36 | nox- | i agree tho ovi.com should adopt <video> tags :) |
| 00:58.46 | nox- | at least for the browsers that support it... |
| 00:58.52 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 00:58.57 | luke-jr | my N900 just made some laserbeam sound |
| 00:59.02 | luke-jr | no visual clue wtf it means |
| 00:59.13 | achipa | luke-jr: swapping while messaging, are we ? :) |
| 00:59.15 | nox- | plugged charger in? |
| 00:59.21 | luke-jr | nox-: like 30 mins ago |
| 00:59.31 | luke-jr | achipa: N900 is always swapping â¹ |
| 01:00.33 | achipa | okay folks, showtime... 99 |
| 01:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY f6777c67 package adobe-release-i386-1.0.1.noarch is already installed |
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| 01:01.33 | ShadowJK | laserbeam sound, "Charging" sound? |
| 01:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for the info |
| 01:01.39 | luke-jr | maybe |
| 01:02.10 | ShadowJK | Though that typically activates screen in PR1.2, after displaying the banner first, before activating screen, of course |
| 01:02.25 | ShadowJK | or activating,dimming screen, then displaying banner on dimmed screen |
| 01:03.12 | luke-jr | mine remained off |
| 01:03.15 | luke-jr | until I touched it |
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| 01:40.20 | JackBeSlow | So with the ovi store now open does that mean there are two separate stores with separate approval processes? |
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| 01:44.43 | joga | JackBeSlow, can you elaborate? |
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| 01:45.14 | JackBeSlow | Basically just wondering how people get apps into the ovi store. |
| 01:45.14 | joga | what do you mean, "ovi store now open"? |
| 01:45.19 | joga | ah. |
| 01:45.25 | joga | sorry, I don't know about that |
| 01:45.27 | JackBeSlow | I know the process for the normal repos. |
| 01:45.51 | JackBeSlow | Also just wondering why anyone would chose to post a free app in ovi store over the normal repo. |
| 01:46.18 | JackBeSlow | And by "now open" I mean for a while it couldn't be accessed on the n900 and there were no apps. |
| 01:46.30 | joga | oh :) |
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| 01:56.45 | zeltak | wierd im issuing : apt-get install gcc g++ make binutils dpkg-dev less build-essential |
| 01:57.04 | zeltak | but it says its not in the repos.. |
| 01:57.53 | SpeedEvil | you need the sdk repos installed for many of those |
| 01:58.07 | zeltak | i see SpeedEvil |
| 01:58.40 | zeltak | im trying to compile ncdu myslef as a test case..i hope im not jumping waaayy over my head :) |
| 01:58.50 | SpeedEvil | what's ncdu |
| 01:59.06 | zeltak | http://dev.yorhel.nl/ncdu |
| 01:59.15 | zeltak | i small cool cli tool i like |
| 01:59.59 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:00.02 | zeltak | where can i find info on the sdk repo? |
| 02:00.21 | jacekowski | zeltak: read the manual |
| 02:00.29 | jacekowski | zeltak: it's the same repo |
| 02:00.30 | jacekowski | almost |
| 02:00.40 | jacekowski | you need tools repo as well |
| 02:00.42 | zeltak | ha? which manual? |
| 02:00.51 | jacekowski | and sdk repo |
| 02:00.52 | jacekowski | on wiki |
| 02:01.08 | zeltak | oh ok there is an entry on the sdk repo |
| 02:01.14 | jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 02:01.36 | zeltak | thx jacekowski |
| 02:01.39 | SpeedEvil | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 02:01.54 | jacekowski | and you have to remember to disable vdso |
| 02:02.03 | jacekowski | or you will have lot of random shit happen |
| 02:02.08 | zeltak | yuyks |
| 02:02.20 | SpeedEvil | I recommend copying / to /home/user/chroot or something - then doing build there |
| 02:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I managed to install that friggin flashplayer plugin 10.1, even works with sound now :-) |
| 02:02.31 | jacekowski | oO |
| 02:02.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you mean the faked one |
| 02:02.34 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: proper flash 10.1? |
| 02:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: prolly you don't give a shit |
| 02:02.39 | zeltak | whats vdso...do you think im way over my head (im a neewb at compiling etc..) |
| 02:02.39 | jacekowski | for maemo? |
| 02:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | on laptop! |
| 02:02.56 | jacekowski | zeltak: that's virtual library provided by kernel |
| 02:03.00 | zeltak | i never used chroot before |
| 02:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for being fuzzy |
| 02:03.48 | jacekowski | zeltak: that's selecting the best way of calling kernel functions |
| 02:03.56 | jacekowski | zeltak: either using int 80 or sysenter/sysexit |
| 02:04.34 | jacekowski | because transition between ring 0 and ring 3 are quite expensive operation if done using int 80 |
| 02:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | but actually it didn't come even with FF3.6.8 and wasn't installable via the bold "update flash NOW!" button in FF either |
| 02:05.04 | jacekowski | and it's little bit better with sysenter/sysexit but not all cpu's support it |
| 02:05.04 | zeltak | i see i think ill just leave compiling for right now sounds to complex at this stage of early maemo for me :) thx anyway guys |
| 02:05.51 | jacekowski | because interrupts invalidate all cache lines and pretty much wipes all branch predictions |
| 02:06.36 | jacekowski | which is quite amazing how much shit can one interrupt cause |
| 02:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | (maemo) the funny thing is those .mp4 play as awful ugly quality on N900 microb as they are on desktop linux, but at least they play, while on desktop I had to update to flash10.1 to get playback |
| 02:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | which was quite a PITA |
| 02:09.27 | jacekowski | i'm not sure why, but flash 10 on android uses thumb and flash 9 on maemo uses ARM |
| 02:11.44 | SpeedEvil | Wow - recent ncurses is huge |
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| 02:16.07 | SpeedEvil | oops - plug phone in before compiling |
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| 02:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you ordered such a f-bus "cable" with acrylic clamp? |
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| 02:25.17 | jacekowski | no |
| 02:25.20 | jacekowski | not yet |
| 02:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'm really unsure about that resistor voodoo, but otherwise it looks rather decent |
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| 02:27.06 | jacekowski | i'm thinking about making similiar kind of cable/connector myself |
| 02:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't ponder to compete on that price tag |
| 02:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | even building the clamp is worth >20 bucks, even if built from wood instead of acrylic |
| 02:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | not to mention the pogopins |
| 02:29.30 | SpeedEvil | pogopins are fairly cheap |
| 02:29.39 | ZogG | damn noone on nitdroid chanel |
| 02:29.42 | SpeedEvil | but, yes |
| 02:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | well on the thousand yeah |
| 02:29.48 | ZogG | is anyone here who tried it with multiboot? |
| 02:29.56 | jacekowski | you keep forgotting one thing |
| 02:30.08 | ZogG | cause i can't boot maemo there is only nitdroid in menu =)) |
| 02:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | as we say here: "you can't build it DIY for that price tag" |
| 02:30.14 | jacekowski | i work in company where most of things i would need is just on shelf |
| 02:30.21 | jacekowski | so i have it for free |
| 02:30.35 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-off-P50-Serrated-Head-80g-Spring-Test-Pin-Probe-/250273113542?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item3a4570a5c6 |
| 02:30.38 | jacekowski | it's only how i want to build it is a question |
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| 02:31.37 | jacekowski | because i'm thinking about something closer to connector that fits into that place |
| 02:31.45 | jacekowski | and phone can be moved and used when it's connected |
| 02:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | 5 items/lot = GBP 6.65 plus shipping. Mhm |
| 02:33.45 | jacekowski | i would just need thick blank PCB |
| 02:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | that's what? ~1.50 EUR per pin? |
| 02:34.33 | jacekowski | something like 2-3 layers of typical FR-4 stacked together |
| 02:34.40 | jacekowski | and then just pads |
| 02:34.45 | jacekowski | with solder on them |
| 02:34.51 | jacekowski | solder is soft enough |
| 02:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | won't work |
| 02:35.03 | jacekowski | so with bit of pressure it should connect on all pads |
| 02:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | nope, won't |
| 02:35.45 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, when I was 13, I had around 200. |
| 02:35.59 | SpeedEvil | They got misused though |
| 02:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you get away with non spring loaded single contacts to a max of 3 on one mount |
| 02:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | for 4+ you need separate springs to level the distance diffs |
| 02:37.51 | jacekowski | i could use plain lead solder |
| 02:37.59 | jacekowski | and lead is really soft |
| 02:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | won't work |
| 02:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | no elasticity |
| 02:39.01 | jacekowski | have you tried working on it |
| 02:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | and lead is far less soft than you seem to think |
| 02:39.15 | jacekowski | there are some pills for that kind of pessimistic mood |
| 02:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I tied such botch maybe 500 times in my life, gave me a good frustration and a realistic view on why they use pogopins and not anything else |
| 02:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | tried* |
| 02:40.41 | jacekowski | i could go to nokia care centre |
| 02:40.49 | jacekowski | and ask them to sell me the jig |
| 02:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | I did, they mustn't |
| 02:41.16 | jacekowski | but you went to german centre |
| 02:41.22 | jacekowski | they are all nazi there |
| 02:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 02:41.43 | jacekowski | brits are much more helpful |
| 02:41.55 | jacekowski | esspecialy if you use some papers with queen on them |
| 02:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | maybe. Try your luck, then report back |
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| 02:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | maybe they sell FT-94 to you, for just 198GBP |
| 02:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | regarding what hey ask for spare parts, I don't think tools are much cheaper |
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| 02:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | BL-5J was 50EUR in a regular shop selling Nokia |
| 02:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 02:45.59 | jacekowski | tools may be cheap |
| 02:46.15 | jacekowski | because they are supposed only to be sold to authorised shops and stuff |
| 02:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm. When you find out, tell us |
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| 02:52.38 | SpeedEvil | zeltak: |
| 02:52.50 | SpeedEvil | zeltak: http://www.mauve.plus.com/ncdu |
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| 03:07.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: tell me when Flash supports Tonal⦠|
| 03:08.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | look at the specs of the formats. It does since flash6 |
| 03:08.17 | luke-jr | wtf? srsly? |
| 03:09.48 | luke-jr | flickr officially fails its advertisers⦠|
| 03:10.00 | luke-jr | I was actually interested in clicking a link, but the idiots reloaded the ad |
| 03:10.38 | luke-jr | (to a different ad) |
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| 03:14.06 | luke-jr | fail #2-- no transparency support |
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| 06:23.51 | RST38h | hmm...Eldar continues leaking some amusing info |
| 06:24.04 | RST38h | Like always, it is not clear what part of it he has made up of course |
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| 06:26.00 | frals | what did he leak now? |
| 06:31.08 | RST38h | Apparently, Nokia is placing its bets on S40 phones with touch screens |
| 06:33.26 | RST38h | + the usual crap about corpses firmly believing that their Ovi services are popular |
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| 06:35.50 | RST38h | The guy has been shitting all over Nokia lately, so I am not sure what to believe though |
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| 06:39.06 | RST38h | They do appear to prepare for a big announcement in September |
| 06:39.24 | RST38h | Whether it is Harmattan or just another Symbian phone is not said |
| 06:44.49 | luke-jr | RST38h: sounds like he made it all up |
| 06:44.55 | luke-jr | make up enough crap and you're bound to get something spot on |
| 06:45.01 | RST38h | not necessarily |
| 06:45.23 | luke-jr | well, as long as your made-up stuff is based on informed guessing |
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| 06:59.02 | solistic | Hello all! |
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| 07:00.36 | Stskeeps | RST38h: only popular service is ovi maps, anywhere but n900 |
| 07:00.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 07:12.00 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Exactly |
| 07:12.18 | RST38h | Stskeeps: But the corpses either ain't aware of this or refuse to believe it |
| 07:13.08 | RST38h | Stskeeps: So, their line is "we will sell a shitload of cheap, mediocre touch phones and make a fortune on Ovi services delivered through these phones" |
| 07:13.50 | RST38h | that part of Eldar's claim sounds true enough, at least. |
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| 08:09.41 | crashanddie | luke-jr & RST38h: Eldar is a dickwad, an asswipe. The guy should've been sued to hell and back, it's amazing he's still allowed to cover them. |
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| 08:32.39 | RST38h | crashanddie: calling someone a dickwad isn't exactly useful |
| 08:33.05 | crashanddie | neither is what eldar has been doing for the past few years |
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| 08:34.03 | RST38h | Well, it is useful for me, in terms of the entertainment value at least |
| 08:34.31 | marginalMan | on n900 i'm trying to execute the microb browser from terminal |
| 08:34.38 | marginalMan | # browser |
| 08:35.16 | marginalMan | error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant |
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| 08:35.40 | marginalMan | am i trying to execute it wrong? |
| 08:37.22 | steinex | marginalMan: look in the .desktop file how it's started there |
| 08:37.39 | marginalMan | same way... -it just says browser |
| 08:37.54 | marginalMan | /usr/bin/browser |
| 08:40.05 | marginalMan | google points to a dbus relative aproach... |
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| 08:41.55 | marginalMan | hmmm... strange, # browser --url=www.google.com seems to work |
| 08:43.23 | jacekowski | try "browser --url=" |
| 08:43.30 | jacekowski | without anything as url |
| 08:43.38 | marginalMan | ok |
| 08:43.49 | marginalMan | what does not work though is tsocks browser |
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| 08:43.56 | marginalMan | tsocks fennec works fine... |
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| 08:45.04 | jacekowski | because real browser process is called browserd |
| 08:45.12 | jacekowski | and it's running all the time waiting in background |
| 08:45.17 | jacekowski | untill it's called |
| 08:45.46 | marginalMan | i see |
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| 08:46.03 | marginalMan | any suggestions on how to get it to work with tsocks whn needed? |
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| 08:47.20 | crashanddie | marginalMan: you may want to be a tad more specific |
| 08:47.43 | jacekowski | he probably wants it to go trough TOR |
| 08:47.49 | jacekowski | because he want's to watch CP |
| 08:47.50 | marginalMan | no... not tor |
| 08:47.56 | marginalMan | works fine through tor |
| 08:47.56 | jacekowski | wants* |
| 08:48.18 | jacekowski | so why do you want it to go trough tsocks? |
| 08:48.18 | marginalMan | trying to get it to browse through an ssh conn |
| 08:48.34 | crashanddie | tsocks? |
| 08:48.37 | crashanddie | for ssh? |
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| 08:49.01 | marginalMan | yes... ssh -D <port> <conn> then tsocks <app> in another terminal |
| 08:49.07 | jacekowski | do you know that all you have to do it add socks_proxy=...... |
| 08:49.15 | jacekowski | in script starting browserd |
| 08:49.46 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, CP isnt the only thing on Tor you know :\ |
| 08:49.58 | jacekowski | i was hosting TOR exit node for a quite a while |
| 08:50.03 | jacekowski | and it is the only thing |
| 08:50.04 | marginalMan | why do i want it to go through tsocks... -im new to linux, -trying to make sense of it |
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| 08:50.15 | marginalMan | CP? |
| 08:50.26 | crashanddie | child pornography |
| 08:50.32 | marginalMan | hahaHA |
| 08:50.32 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Hahahahaha |
| 08:50.48 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I can't believe that was the first thing I saw |
| 08:51.01 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Why would children want pornography? |
| 08:51.06 | jacekowski | Gadgetoid_iPad: it'll only get worse |
| 08:51.15 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid_iPad: they're not the audience, they're the subject. |
| 08:51.22 | Gadgetoid_iPad | jacekowski: Probably! |
| 08:51.40 | Gadgetoid_iPad | crashanddie: You mean stickam? |
| 08:51.48 | crashanddie | no |
| 08:51.48 | jacekowski | basicaly there are no legitimate uses of tor at the moment |
| 08:51.56 | jacekowski | it's either cp, trolling, general abuse |
| 08:52.03 | TermanaN900 | Unfortunately spending enough time on /b/ you get exposed to everything |
| 08:52.09 | crashanddie | Gadgetoid_iPad: imagine between 6 and 12 year olds getting raped? THat's CP. |
| 08:52.21 | jacekowski | lot of traffic was people trying to circumwent limits on rapidshare and similiar sites |
| 08:52.51 | Gadgetoid_iPad | crashanddie: That sounds like a typical night out in Norwich... |
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| 08:53.39 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, have you visited the hidden wiki? Last i saw there was all different things. Like IRC servers, general websites. |
| 08:53.43 | crashanddie | nope, there it's brothers and sisters... "Your sister is your mother, your father is your brother, we all fuck one another, the Norwich Family" (on the tune of the Adam's family) |
| 08:53.57 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Add a bit of phone booth vandalising and vomiting on the sidewalk... National past-time |
| 08:54.35 | jacekowski | TermanaN900: i've hosted exit node |
| 08:54.57 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, i know, i can read :P |
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| 08:55.58 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Hmm...iPad crashtastic! |
| 08:57.06 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Aha, arrived at destination! Got a bloody wedding to attend... Ugh... Church ceremonies are tragic |
| 08:57.13 | TermanaN900 | All this talk of CP has made the FBI interfer with Gadgetoid_iPad's connection! |
| 08:57.30 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Good luck to them! I am on the move |
| 08:57.43 | TermanaN900 | Gadgetoid_iPad, wait, are you actually ON an ipad? |
| 08:58.02 | jacekowski | he probably just ran another app |
| 08:58.03 | Gadgetoid_iPad | TermanaN900: Yup |
| 08:58.05 | jacekowski | so he head to close irc |
| 08:58.08 | TermanaN900 | TRAITOR! |
| 08:58.19 | Gadgetoid_iPad | No, it actually crashed! |
| 08:58.19 | jacekowski | because there is no multitasking on ipad |
| 08:58.22 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, lmao |
| 08:58.36 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I sold my n900 and bought the Iphone 4 :D |
| 08:59.10 | TermanaN900 | Gadgetoid_iPad, I dont even... |
| 08:59.34 | jacekowski | sir, i have to ask you to leave the internet, you are just too stupid |
| 08:59.37 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Muwahaha...hahaha mwagaha |
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| 09:00.03 | hatake_kakashi | and take your FAIL with you |
| 09:00.07 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I figured my pandora might turn up sometime this year, rendering my n900 obsolete |
| 09:00.45 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Looking like next year now, ugh |
| 09:01.43 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Riighht unloading the car |
| 09:03.13 | TermanaN900 | Gadgetoid_iPad, do you have some sort of dorky Stephen Hawking type thimg that attaches to you and holds your ipad in front of you? |
| 09:03.29 | TermanaN900 | Can you also control it by twitching your lip? |
| 09:04.07 | marginalMan | ok... back |
| 09:04.20 | marginalMan | socks_proxy= |
| 09:04.20 | TermanaN900 | Too bad it has no front facing camera. Im sure we could do that with the n900 |
| 09:04.29 | hatake_kakashi | probably does.. as a typical iproblematic lover |
| 09:04.35 | marginalMan | i dont know about this |
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| 09:04.54 | marginalMan | can u point me to a link or give me some info on how i could set this up jacekowski |
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| 09:05.16 | hatake_kakashi | don't worry he'll be holding his breath and be the first in queue for the next ipad2.0.. he can't get enough of his sickening dosage and ranting about it in here :) |
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| 09:08.46 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Ohai |
| 09:09.15 | Gadgetoid_iPad | TermanaN900: No, I levitate it using the force |
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| 09:10.55 | RST38h | [6~~ |
| 09:11.29 | RST38h | using Apple's patented marketing vapors, no doubt |
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| 09:13.27 | Gadgetoid_iPad | iPad my bra |
| 09:13.46 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Starcraft II time! |
| 09:17.32 | kerio | starcraft on ipad would make me go and *buy* one right now |
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| 09:21.29 | jacekowski | marginalMan: http://www.google.com |
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| 09:22.25 | marginalMan | on it...trying it... socks_proxy= ... ... ... lotta pages bout nothing |
| 09:23.04 | jacekowski | hmm, 1st result on my google |
| 09:24.31 | marginalMan | does not tell me how it applies to browserd |
| 09:24.46 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, ever started on the flash lib? |
| 09:24.53 | jacekowski | it's to different |
| 09:25.21 | MohammadAG | I wonder how the frash team got it working on the iPad |
| 09:25.25 | jacekowski | android flash uses thumb while maemo flash uses ARM |
| 09:25.29 | jacekowski | wrapper |
| 09:25.45 | jacekowski | but android is closer to iOS in that matter |
| 09:25.50 | jacekowski | i could get it working same way |
| 09:26.05 | MohammadAG | but? |
| 09:26.08 | jacekowski | but it would be probably faster to run emulated x86 version |
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| 09:26.40 | alterego | Hahah |
| 09:26.41 | MohammadAG | and if you use a kernel with thumb enabled? |
| 09:26.45 | marginalMan | tries about:config |
| 09:26.55 | jacekowski | it's about switching between modes as well |
| 09:27.21 | alterego | about:config is the awesome. |
| 09:27.35 | jacekowski | but transplanting pieces of thumb code into ARM code |
| 09:27.38 | alterego | Setup an ssh socks 5 proxy with it :) |
| 09:28.16 | MohammadAG | MeeGo will use ARM right? |
| 09:28.30 | alterego | If only I could write some kind of easy to use extension to do it automatically. |
| 09:28.46 | jacekowski | it's about amount of work and results i would get |
| 09:28.56 | alterego | Just need to twiddle one field. Can you access mozilla config from the command line? |
| 09:29.24 | MohammadAG | prefs.js is where the configs are stored afaik |
| 09:29.30 | MohammadAG | that's in ~/.mozilla |
| 09:29.34 | alterego | Cool |
| 09:29.39 | MohammadAG | ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 09:29.40 | BugBlue | just edit prefs.js in the profile |
| 09:29.40 | hatake_kakashi | I don't think Meego will be using arm, the initial testing phase will be done on armel but it will probably feature intel embedded cpu |
| 09:29.42 | MohammadAG | or microb |
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| 09:30.01 | alterego | I could use Qt's js parser for that I think :) |
| 09:31.03 | marginalMan | if both an http_proxy and a socks_proxy are specified... -how do i tell the browser to use the socks? |
| 09:31.05 | alterego | Though would be nice to be able to do it at run time :/ |
| 09:31.25 | alterego | marginalMan: there's a value that selects between them. |
| 09:31.26 | kerio | i want to nest proxies! |
| 09:31.29 | marginalMan | i see that the tor app on the n900 has predefined ssl_proxy http_proxy settings |
| 09:31.52 | marginalMan | the value... network.proxy.type? |
| 09:31.55 | alterego | network.proxy.type = 1 is socks |
| 09:31.59 | alterego | yea |
| 09:32.06 | marginalMan | ok... lets see |
| 09:32.10 | alterego | don't know about the rest, test in firefox. |
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| 09:32.58 | marginalMan | trying in the native n900 browser, -but based on ff, so should work... |
| 09:33.34 | alterego | Yeah, that's how I did it all |
| 09:33.57 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i was thinking about porting frash to maemo just as PoC but it's not going to be amazing |
| 09:34.43 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, do it |
| 09:35.47 | MohammadAG | everything starts with a PoC anyways |
| 09:35.53 | alterego | I wonder if I can write a javascript-let to do the edit .. |
| 09:35.56 | marginalMan | hmmm... claims tht its refusing connections |
| 09:36.02 | marginalMan | but ssh is up... |
| 09:36.40 | MohammadAG | ssh confuses me sometimes |
| 09:37.00 | marginalMan | alterego... -u sure that 1 is for socks? |
| 09:37.04 | MohammadAG | I can't ssh into my laptop, but openssh-server is always installed and 22 is open |
| 09:37.10 | MohammadAG | port 22* |
| 09:37.15 | alterego | marginalMan: I'll check hang on |
| 09:38.17 | Stskeeps | hatake_kakashi: ARM is a first-class architecture in meego. |
| 09:38.59 | hatake_kakashi | Stskeeps, interesting, so Meego will still play a part in n900's upgrades? aka Maemo6? |
| 09:39.06 | alterego | marginalMan: yup, certain, I'll post my config hangon |
| 09:40.47 | marginalMan | definitely sure my ssh is up and accepting, going the tsocks fennec route works fine... |
| 09:41.04 | marginalMan | just does not seem to work for the default browser |
| 09:41.57 | alterego | marginalMan: http://alterego.metapath.org/Screenshot-20100731-103931.png |
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| 09:43.08 | zash | alterego: protip: toggle socks_remote_dns |
| 09:43.10 | alterego | My ssh: ssh -t -D 8080 user@host screen -D -RR |
| 09:43.18 | alterego | zash: I know :P |
| 09:43.23 | zash | :) |
| 09:43.30 | alterego | zash: but privacy isn't why I'm using it |
| 09:43.54 | alterego | I've done it anyway. |
| 09:44.01 | marginalMan | yup... got it set up the same |
| 09:44.04 | alterego | As sometime it might be :) |
| 09:44.18 | marginalMan | i see u dont hav anything specified for http_proxy |
| 09:44.23 | alterego | Interesting |
| 09:44.28 | marginalMan | i do... -tht is the only difference |
| 09:44.44 | Pforce | anyone know how to see how many times a package has been downloaded from extras-devel repo? |
| 09:45.05 | Pforce | http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropn900/ |
| 09:45.11 | Pforce | cant see it here at least |
| 09:45.18 | alterego | Oh, I've got an idea, a local http server that can work as the proxy auto config url. |
| 09:45.40 | alterego | Pforce: not from devel, no, or testing for that matter. |
| 09:45.42 | marginalMan | the way its refusing con i'm thinking that a setting of 1 is trying to get through on http... |
| 09:45.55 | Pforce | alterego: extras then? |
| 09:46.10 | Pforce | when i get my app a bit more complete i will put it to testing |
| 09:46.18 | alterego | Pforce: in extras it's on you packages download page on maemo.org |
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| 09:46.43 | alterego | Pforce: but that page only gets created when you app reaches extras |
| 09:47.24 | marginalMan | alterego... -just blankd out the http_proxy and ssl_proxy addy... -now it works |
| 09:47.33 | Pforce | ahaa alterego thanks |
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| 09:47.55 | Khertan | <Pforce> anyone know how to see how many times a package has been downloaded from extras-devel repo? <<< no one know |
| 09:48.04 | Khertan | but create your own repository : |
| 09:48.06 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:48.10 | Pforce | :D |
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| 09:48.21 | alterego | marginalMan: probably .type needs to be 3 or something like that, did you test the setup on you desktop with an identical setup? |
| 09:48.44 | Pforce | im just qurious how many have gotten my app... but where is Khertan nick familiar |
| 09:48.52 | Pforce | umm py2dep? :) |
| 09:48.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:49.06 | Khertan | py2deb ... or pypackager |
| 09:49.13 | Pforce | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58882 |
| 09:49.25 | Pforce | packaged all my python deps and the program itself with your thing :) |
| 09:49.34 | Khertan | or the guy which didn't like maemo fremantle extras repository and there qa testing rule |
| 09:49.48 | Khertan | great ... so i'm not the only one to use it :) |
| 09:50.12 | Pforce | very useful, as I didnt know anything about debian packaging before |
| 09:50.12 | Khertan | hum ... dropbox client ... i ve tried it yesterday :) |
| 09:50.20 | Pforce | heh, thats me yeh |
| 09:50.27 | Khertan | Pforce, i didn't know anything before creating too :) |
| 09:50.31 | Stskeeps | hatake_kakashi: maemo6 isn't 'real meego' |
| 09:51.11 | Khertan | Pforce, i just see that the suggest field in last version of pypackager isn't working as it should |
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| 09:51.54 | Pforce | Khertan: btw question: have you seen this with py2deb: when i have used it and now open up terminal there is a py2deb "screenshot" on the loading phase |
| 09:51.57 | Pforce | its weird |
| 09:52.11 | Pforce | like there was something left into some init draw buffer |
| 09:52.32 | Pforce | its a "shot" of one of the automatically opened new terminal windows |
| 09:52.42 | Pforce | cosmetic thing i dont mind :D |
| 09:53.13 | Pforce | Khertan: i use py2deb presently, does pypackager now make things so they can be uploaded with the web interface? |
| 09:53.30 | Pforce | i tried pypackager and the web uploading refused the changes file |
| 09:53.40 | Khertan | how really ? |
| 09:54.09 | Pforce | then i read from wiki that i have to use py2deb to upload to extras-* |
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| 09:54.27 | Khertan | wiki isn't up to date |
| 09:54.53 | Khertan | and after fighting hour to recover my login / pass from maemo wiki |
| 09:55.02 | Khertan | i decide to not update the wiki |
| 09:55.03 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:55.22 | Pforce | alright |
| 09:55.30 | Khertan | Pforce, http://khertan.net/pypackager_howto |
| 09:55.31 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:55.49 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.01 | Khertan | nope but i see something similar with an other things and xterm |
| 09:56.11 | Khertan | xterm doesn't load really fast |
| 09:56.19 | Pforce | right |
| 09:56.23 | Khertan | in fact the first time you run it |
| 09:56.35 | Khertan | it take an screenshot |
| 09:56.46 | Khertan | just after the init |
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| 09:56.57 | Khertan | and use this screenshot everytime you load it |
| 09:57.25 | Khertan | so if the first time you run it , xterm is called with argument :) |
| 09:57.39 | Khertan | it s just didn't work as it should |
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| 09:58.21 | Pforce | lol |
| 09:58.48 | Pforce | i guess screeshot is better than window that seems it hanged |
| 09:59.47 | Pforce | i was suprised that even reboot did not reset that |
| 10:00.43 | alterego | Even bettwer when you run the indication hint on thw window :P |
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| 10:00.54 | Pforce | Khertan: how can i get stuff to show in the app managers details tab, is it possible with py2deb? |
| 10:01.13 | Pforce | i use the changelog and it works, but that text does not go there |
| 10:02.10 | Khertan | good question ... |
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| 10:02.52 | Khertan | i must go on right now ... but can you send me an email about ... i ll try to look why later today or tomorrow |
| 10:03.04 | Pforce | oh its not that important :) |
| 10:03.05 | Khertan | khertan @ khertan.net |
| 10:03.06 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:03.18 | Pforce | works well like this! |
| 10:03.21 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:03.24 | Khertan | bye all :) |
| 10:03.48 | Khertan | to be honest i never use HAM ... i prefer using xterm and apt :) |
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| 10:04.27 | Pforce | yeah, would be nice when i push updates for people to see changelog directly when they update via app manager |
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| 10:04.37 | Pforce | now they have to go to forums :) |
| 10:04.58 | MohammadAG | cool, qwerty12 found a way to disable the cam from opening with the shutter |
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| 10:08.47 | Corsac | bonus point for having a daemon not running |
| 10:08.57 | RST38h | wonders if qwerty12 is going to return to irc |
| 10:09.27 | MohammadAG | hopes so |
| 10:09.32 | MohammadAG | I kinda doubt it though |
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| 10:15.41 | alterego | Yeah, I miss qwerty |
| 10:15.55 | alterego | Though I have no idea why he left .. |
| 10:15.58 | crashanddie | No, he won't come back |
| 10:16.10 | alterego | They always come back. |
| 10:16.26 | Stskeeps | too busy with college and getting to know girls |
| 10:16.32 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:16.38 | Stskeeps | once he's educated and married, he'll be back |
| 10:16.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:16.50 | crashanddie | lmao, qwerty and girls :D |
| 10:16.54 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: have you mate q? |
| 10:17.02 | crashanddie | er, have you met qwerty? |
| 10:18.04 | Stskeeps | no, havent had the pleausre |
| 10:18.20 | alterego | Any news about the Dublin summit? |
| 10:18.40 | jacekowski | anybody from greece here? |
| 10:19.11 | jacekowski | is it viable place to go on holiday now? |
| 10:19.56 | crashanddie | jacekowski: you're polish, any place on earth is a viable holiday for you. |
| 10:20.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:20.38 | RST38h | whispers: Albania. |
| 10:21.04 | jacekowski | but i'm talking about recent events in greece |
| 10:21.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, when's that? |
| 10:21.27 | RST38h | jacekowski: Nothing to worry about, get a baseball bat with you |
| 10:21.54 | jacekowski | i'm not going to accept any info from somebody who doesn't live there |
| 10:22.03 | alterego | 15-17th of November apparently, thought it was closer. |
| 10:22.08 | jacekowski | and got his information from interwebs or tv |
| 10:22.28 | RST38h | Your query is likely to return an empty set then. |
| 10:22.41 | alterego | MohammadAG: in Dublin |
| 10:23.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, when = time, where = place |
| 10:23.20 | MohammadAG | I asked when the summit was :P |
| 10:23.40 | crashanddie | < alterego> 15-17th of November apparently, thought it was closer. |
| 10:23.43 | alterego | MohammadAG: I said, just didn't address you directly, 15th-17th Nov |
| 10:23.47 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: you idiot :P |
| 10:24.12 | crashanddie | alterego: why is it in Dublin? |
| 10:24.16 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I tend to ignore anything that's not in red :P |
| 10:24.18 | crashanddie | alterego: I wanted London :( |
| 10:24.24 | MohammadAG | I wanted Israel |
| 10:24.33 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: we want to live |
| 10:24.34 | Jaffa | X-Fade/anyone else: is there a "get me some info on everyone" machine-readable variant of http://maemo.org/profile/list |
| 10:24.35 | alterego | crashanddie: there's the Nokia developer summit in London, I might head to that. |
| 10:24.46 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, oh you'll live alright XD |
| 10:24.50 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: though, throwing n900s at tanks might be a new idea |
| 10:24.55 | Jaffa | alterego: Pricey |
| 10:25.07 | alterego | Jaffa: how much is it? If it's too much I wont go :) |
| 10:25.15 | alterego | Or I might try and gatecrash, muahaha |
| 10:25.18 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I'd try that, lemme pm you my addy so you could send me your N900 |
| 10:25.22 | alterego | Or get Nokia to pay .. |
| 10:25.37 | crashanddie | gatecrashing works nice |
| 10:26.00 | crashanddie | just show up with a clipboard, walky talky, and look annoyed at anyone who stops you |
| 10:26.00 | Jaffa | alterego: There was 150eur *discount* until recently. So I think it's about 6/700EUR |
| 10:26.16 | alterego | Jaffa: wow, I probably wont pay for that then ... :D |
| 10:26.23 | alterego | sends an email to nokia |
| 10:26.23 | MohammadAG | how much is the summit? |
| 10:26.27 | crashanddie | free |
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| 10:26.40 | Jaffa | got an email for a limited number of free places, but it went in the spam folder :( |
| 10:26.54 | alterego | MohammadAG: free, except for flights and accomodation, the event is free though I believe. |
| 10:27.01 | alterego | Jaffa: :( |
| 10:27.13 | alterego | Jaffa: any chance of you getting them to send me one? ;) |
| 10:27.25 | Jaffa | crashanddie: MohammadAG: there's talk of a nominal charge to discourage ppl just turning up for a freebie, or registering and not turning up. |
| 10:27.27 | crashanddie | alterego: I assume the offer expired |
| 10:27.39 | crashanddie | Jaffa: fair enough |
| 10:27.41 | Jaffa | alterego: By the time I checked it, offer was used up. |
| 10:27.42 | alterego | I doubt there'd be many Maemo-ers there though |
| 10:27.43 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, that's understandable |
| 10:27.48 | alterego | Jaffa: oh :( |
| 10:27.51 | kerio | i want freebies! |
| 10:27.57 | crashanddie | Jaffa: how much? 50 quid? |
| 10:28.01 | MohammadAG | so the summit's turning non-free? |
| 10:28.02 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:28.02 | alterego | I just want a reason to go some where :D |
| 10:28.15 | lbt | Jaffa: slapcat |
| 10:28.24 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: frankly, with all the parties, drinks and food that is provided, any fee is cheap |
| 10:28.34 | MohammadAG | I just want crashanddie to meet me, and my axe |
| 10:28.42 | alterego | Anyone have any experience with YUV decoding in a fragment shader of a GL program? |
| 10:28.46 | Jaffa | crashanddie: That was the upper bound of the amount suggested on meego-community, IIRC. Not sure there was a conclusion |
| 10:29.00 | crashanddie | Jaffa: oh, this is happening on meego-community? |
| 10:29.03 | alterego | I've got texture uploading and displaying on a GL polygon, but my image is kind of screwy. |
| 10:29.04 | Jaffa | lbt: the slightly less poular Thundercat? |
| 10:29.06 | crashanddie | I unsubscribed of everything meego |
| 10:29.17 | Jaffa | crashanddie: A few mails a few weeks ago. |
| 10:29.18 | MohammadAG | no maemo events? |
| 10:29.39 | Jaffa | crashanddie: There is no Maemo event being paid for by Nokia this ar. |
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| 10:29.49 | Jaffa | s/ar/year/ |
| 10:29.59 | alterego | Anyhow, I need a shower, bbiab |
| 10:30.09 | lbt | kvm usertools blow |
| 10:30.18 | crashanddie | Jaffa: figured as much, if it was being discussed on meego-c |
| 10:30.18 | RST38h | There is no Maemo any more, either |
| 10:30.37 | crashanddie | Jaffa: so who's funding it? Nokia and Intel? |
| 10:30.44 | MohammadAG | that's kinda sad tbh |
| 10:30.51 | MohammadAG | I expected one more maemo event :( |
| 10:30.55 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Correct |
| 10:31.03 | Jaffa | crashanddie: AIUI |
| 10:31.04 | crashanddie | well, I wouldn't have minded a "goodbye maemo" event |
| 10:31.10 | alterego | :/ |
| 10:31.24 | RST38h | Well you will get your shot in the shape of Meego |
| 10:31.32 | crashanddie | nha, not what I mean |
| 10:32.08 | crashanddie | Jaffa: you don't fancy setting up a london (or somewhere else in the UK, near an airport) event for the "old crew"? |
| 10:32.19 | lbt | meh... it's like saying goodbye to marathon and hello snickers |
| 10:32.23 | RST38h | Maybe I am missing something important, but so far Nokia is the only company trying to do Meego on a non-Intel hardware |
| 10:32.40 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Was tempted |
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| 10:33.09 | RST38h | So, the result will be Maemo rather than Meego ;) |
| 10:33.11 | Jaffa | lbt: More like "goodbye fruit & nut, hello dairy milk" ;-) |
| 10:33.32 | lbt | having seen some of the characters I may be tempted to invert that ;) |
| 10:33.56 | Pforce | has anyone run that meego with the simple ui in your n900? |
| 10:33.59 | crashanddie | Jaffa: do you want me to make you an easily interpreted list for the maemo users? |
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| 10:34.19 | Jaffa | lbt: true :) |
| 10:34.30 | Jaffa | crashanddie: ? |
| 10:34.44 | crashanddie | Jaffa: the maemo user list, you want something machine readable |
| 10:35.38 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Oh, please. Saves me a job: something that's repeatable, parseable and contains nick, realname, avatar URL and associated websites |
| 10:35.52 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Then I can write a maemo.org plugin for Herme |
| 10:35.57 | Jaffa | +s |
| 10:36.19 | Pforce | Jaffa == creator of hermes? |
| 10:36.27 | crashanddie | Jaffa: will do |
| 10:36.32 | crashanddie | going to play with the parrot for a bit |
| 10:36.33 | crashanddie | bbl |
| 10:36.36 | Jaffa | Pforce: correct |
| 10:36.57 | Pforce | Jaffa: wonderful app, love it :) |
| 10:37.29 | Pforce | linked in was a nice addition |
| 10:37.45 | Jaffa | Pforce: thanks :) |
| 10:39.07 | Pforce | any plans to add some kind of nick to name list |
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| 10:39.50 | Pforce | i mean if my contacts have "dad" and i want it to searched from the web with the name "John Doe" |
| 10:40.04 | Pforce | i know there is nick field in the contacts for those things |
| 10:40.23 | Jaffa | Pforce: It uses the name and nicknames fields from the contacts. |
| 10:40.57 | Pforce | right, so if i define name as "Dad" and nickname as "John Doe" would that work? :) |
| 10:41.24 | Pforce | i mean if i set real name to first/last and nick to nickname, contacts still just shows me first/last |
| 10:41.31 | Jaffa | Pforce: Should do, and same other way round. |
| 10:41.34 | Pforce | setting the nick thing in the settings didnt help much either |
| 10:41.45 | Pforce | Jaffa: nice |
| 10:41.50 | Pforce | have to try that |
| 10:42.01 | Jaffa | Pforce: Yeah, contacts only shows fir+t/last namevariations |
| 10:42.23 | Pforce | i just dont get my sisters pics etc as they just have nick names in name field :P |
| 10:42.44 | Pforce | but thats a good workaround to put real name to nickname :D kind of scwered up |
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| 10:49.01 | MohammadAG | when a shell doesn't spawn over ssh, what would the reason be? |
| 10:53.06 | MohammadAG | ah fuck it |
| 10:53.35 | TermanaN900 | MohammadAG, you have to shoot it |
| 10:53.40 | TermanaN900 | then it spawns |
| 10:53.47 | MohammadAG | TermanaN900, stop wasting my CPU cycles |
| 10:53.49 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:53.53 | TermanaN900 | :P |
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| 10:54.48 | rmrfchik | MohammadAG: here? |
| 10:54.56 | MohammadAG | yea |
| 10:55.11 | rmrfchik | is it you who fixed hildon-desktop? |
| 10:55.16 | rmrfchik | i mean glitches |
| 10:55.30 | MohammadAG | no, I only backported the fix |
| 10:55.39 | rmrfchik | Ah.. |
| 10:55.49 | rmrfchik | seems like don't work for me :( |
| 10:56.00 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 10:56.14 | rmrfchik | Just saw "interface rebulding" |
| 10:57.04 | MohammadAG | hmm, sec |
| 10:57.06 | MohammadAG | bug 173240 |
| 10:57.07 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173240 was not found. |
| 10:57.11 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 10:57.31 | MohammadAG | see http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commits/for_2.2.140 |
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| 10:58.48 | MohammadAG | also see bug 10613 |
| 10:58.49 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call |
| 10:59.36 | rmrfchik | MohammadAG: yes, i saw bug and get .deb from it |
| 11:00.35 | MohammadAG | sure you installed it? |
| 11:00.47 | MohammadAG | I'd reopen the bug, but my backport isn't an official fix |
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| 11:03.38 | marginalMan | hmmm... |
| 11:04.24 | marginalMan | network.proxy.type... |
| 11:04.27 | marginalMan | shakes his head |
| 11:04.33 | rmrfchik | hmm. I rebooted. seems like gone |
| 11:06.54 | marginalMan | alterego... http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.type |
| 11:07.41 | marginalMan | looks like [1] is all there is and its order of precidence has http_proxy set above socks |
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| 11:08.26 | DrIDK | Is there a packaging team ? |
| 11:08.52 | MohammadAG | ? |
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| 11:10.20 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: I m searching guys who want to package my app |
| 11:11.13 | marginalMan | so... either gonna clear out http/ssl proxy settings fo it to use socks, -or use tsocks with default browser |
| 11:12.07 | marginalMan | using n900s default browser with socks... -anybody got any ideas? |
| 11:12.47 | crashanddie | Jaffa: XML ok, or CSV? |
| 11:13.02 | alterego | marginalMan: look into generating your own .pac files and using auto configuration url |
| 11:13.24 | alterego | I just use socks, so it works fine for me .. |
| 11:13.47 | alterego | If I wanted to do something more dynamic, I think generating a pac dynamically from a python http server running on the device would be quite neat. |
| 11:14.03 | marginalMan | hmmm... |
| 11:14.10 | marginalMan | will look into it |
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| 11:15.31 | marginalMan | looking to get browser/browserd to run through tsocks i think is the simplest aproach |
| 11:15.39 | marginalMan | cant find anything on getting this done though |
| 11:16.26 | MohammadAG | DrIDK, which app? |
| 11:17.02 | Jaffa | crashanddie: either fine. |
| 11:17.10 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: vlc remote |
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| 11:17.36 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: I just want to upload on extra devel... |
| 11:18.09 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: after many test... I always get a FAILURE message... :( |
| 11:18.37 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: this application works pretty nice, that's why I want to share with you |
| 11:18.48 | alterego | marginalMan: well, the .pac files doesn't have to be from a http server, it can just be a file:/// uri on your filesystem. |
| 11:20.06 | marginalMan | heh, -i'm real fresh at this... -still looking pac files up |
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| 11:21.12 | rmrfchik | hm, why usb0 is not automatically up? |
| 11:21.41 | alterego | marginalMan: well, basically they're just javascript files. |
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| 11:21.47 | ThoMe | hola! |
| 11:22.02 | alterego | That return strings describing the proxy configuration per URL or network or whatever. |
| 11:22.03 | ThoMe | i search for jre for maemo (1.2), n900 |
| 11:22.06 | alterego | Pretty cool really. |
| 11:22.14 | ThoMe | but i cant find this. |
| 11:22.22 | ThoMe | can anyone help me? please |
| 11:22.46 | alterego | ThoMe: have you searched the forums, someone was working on a build at some point. |
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| 11:22.55 | alterego | Otherwise, download scratchbox and build it yourself? :) |
| 11:22.59 | rmrfchik | ThoMe: Icedtea is packaged |
| 11:23.16 | rmrfchik | in extras-devel |
| 11:23.16 | ThoMe | rmrfchik: from sun? |
| 11:23.31 | ThoMe | Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search Icedtea |
| 11:23.31 | ThoMe | icedtea6 - The icedtea6 version of the OpenJDK(TM) |
| 11:23.31 | ThoMe | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 11:23.33 | ThoMe | this? |
| 11:23.34 | alterego | ThoMe: you mean Cisco, and it's based on the Cisco Java source tree yes. |
| 11:23.36 | rmrfchik | yes |
| 11:24.06 | ThoMe | alterego: merci! |
| 11:24.10 | ThoMe | rmrfchik: thanx! :-) |
| 11:25.20 | ThoMe | and a next and last question: |
| 11:25.30 | ThoMe | is it posible to use ipsec with maemo? |
| 11:25.35 | ThoMe | strongswan or ...? |
| 11:25.57 | ThoMe | openvpn yes, but ipsec? |
| 11:26.15 | alterego | I thought openvpn did ipsec? |
| 11:26.22 | ThoMe | nope |
| 11:27.25 | alterego | Oh well |
| 11:28.27 | ShadowJK | openvpn only does openvpn |
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| 11:30.09 | alterego | I bet that live wallpaper is a battery suck. . |
| 11:32.45 | RST38h | no doubt |
| 11:33.54 | alterego | Looks neat though |
| 11:34.33 | RST38h | useless gimmick, I am afraid |
| 11:34.56 | RST38h | the most useful thing for n900 that I have found lately is the Grilo MAFW plugin |
| 11:35.08 | RST38h | Finally lets you browse the file system in the media player |
| 11:35.16 | alterego | Cool |
| 11:36.53 | rmrfchik | huh |
| 11:38.34 | rmrfchik | apt-get install grilo-0.1-plugins> |
| 11:38.37 | rmrfchik | apt-get install grilo-0.1-plugins? |
| 11:39.25 | RST38h | hehe |
| 11:39.27 | RST38h | a moment |
| 11:40.08 | RST38h | rmrfchik: yes, that should work |
| 11:40.58 | rmrfchik | thanks |
| 11:43.39 | rmrfchik | hmm... can't find folders in Media Player |
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| 11:48.35 | Corsac | rmrfchik: clic in menu, then âpluginsâ |
| 11:48.39 | Corsac | s/clic/tap/ |
| 11:48.40 | RST38h | rmrfchik: at the media player's top screen, click the menu |
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| 11:49.25 | rmrfchik | nothing happens. no menu. just "Mediaplayer" |
| 11:49.34 | rmrfchik | reboot? |
| 11:49.53 | RST38h | I did not need rebooting |
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| 11:56.24 | Corsac | maybe at least restart the media player if it was running when you installed |
| 11:56.35 | Corsac | and maybe installing through apt-get wasn't a good idea |
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| 12:39.34 | jacekowski | i just came up with brilliant idea |
| 12:40.22 | jacekowski | i quite often use camera to make photo of address or something on pc as it's simpler than copy&paste to outlook and send e-mail or type it manually |
| 12:40.40 | jacekowski | and opera on n900 doesn't support notes |
| 12:40.47 | jacekowski | so i can't select and copy to note |
| 12:41.06 | jacekowski | so i was thinking about automaticaly ocring that kind of stuff |
| 12:41.34 | Stskeeps | evernote did it already |
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| 12:42.40 | crashanddie | Jaffa: http://slexy.org/view/s2AxxRCBju |
| 12:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: is there anywhere a terse summary about how your contact-specific-ringtones is working? I got the problem my vibrator doesn't work anymore (for call signalling) seemingly related to installing your app. Vib is enabled both in silent and in default profile |
| 12:44.20 | crashanddie | Jaffa: sample output: http://slexy.org/view/s2AxxRCBju |
| 12:44.26 | crashanddie | shit, wrong link |
| 12:45.03 | crashanddie | Jaffa: sample output: http://slexy.org/view/s206wZ4eRE |
| 12:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: the 5s delay until any ringtone is played back on inbound call, would be much less of a problem if vibra would start immediately at least |
| 12:45.28 | crashanddie | Jaffa: call with script_name.php?page=5 to get the 5th page of the users |
| 12:46.07 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: which is a specific behaviour provided by blackberries and most other phones... "Vibrate then ring" |
| 12:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ack |
| 12:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | makes sense |
| 12:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | also a function like err (english missing) "level up volume slowly" for ringtones would be really cool |
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| 12:47.40 | crashanddie | escalating ringtone? |
| 12:47.51 | crashanddie | or escalating volume |
| 12:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | sure you could have a *.wav with volume matching your needs, but then it seems that ringtone always is a loop of 60s max length |
| 12:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | and leveling down volume of ringtone back to zero after 60s seems rather daft |
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| 12:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | so, when we already got a ringtone-per-cntact deamon handling this ringtone playback on behlaf of the braindamaged rtcom-call-ui (or whatever), then why not have a scheme like "playback ~/.local/sounds/ringtone.wav; after first complete playback look for ringtone-loop.wav and loop-playback that; if no such fule, then loop original ringtone.wav" |
| 12:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | s/fule/file/ |
| 12:52.10 | marginalMan | tsocks apt-get ... seems to work |
| 12:52.24 | marginalMan | but tsocks hildon-application-manager does not |
| 12:52.38 | marginalMan | it brings up the interface... -but does not download/update through socks |
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| 12:52.58 | marginalMan | any pointers? |
| 12:53.12 | crashanddie | 0x381e381aaa |
| 12:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: you are stupid |
| 12:53.39 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
| 12:53.52 | crashanddie | exhibit a? |
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| 12:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | marginalMan: I thought HAM is using apt as a sub-process, so just kinda providing a GUI for it |
| 12:56.10 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, it uses dpkg |
| 12:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | oh, k |
| 12:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | so anyway that's probably the answer |
| 12:57.03 | marginalMan | figured since its a sub-process it would still go through socks |
| 12:57.03 | crashanddie | but regardless, it's probably using wget and whatnot, so as it is a subprocess of some sort, I'm not surprised tsocks doesn't catch it |
| 12:57.15 | marginalMan | ahh... |
| 12:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | dbus? |
| 12:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | any other mechanism decoupling it as a child process? |
| 12:58.24 | marginalMan | hmmm... -is there no way of saying something like... tsocks *everything*? |
| 12:58.32 | marginalMan | heh |
| 12:58.41 | marginalMan | or am i hoping for too much? |
| 12:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | no idea bout tsocks |
| 12:58.55 | crashanddie | well, proxies have been notoriously badly supported on the n900 |
| 12:59.43 | marginalMan | works ok with apt get, -etc/apt/apt.conf even whn it comes to http_proxy |
| 12:59.54 | marginalMan | but doesnt help much for the gui offering... |
| 13:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: wget I'd be surprised as wget seems not to come with default install |
| 13:00.33 | crashanddie | whatever then :P |
| 13:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | well maybe some libwget |
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| 13:10.06 | marginalMan | interesting... |
| 13:10.17 | marginalMan | set a proxy relative to wireless connection... -and it works |
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| 13:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | err, relative to? |
| 13:10.58 | marginalMan | wireless link... so access point or router |
| 13:11.05 | marginalMan | advanced settings in the conn |
| 13:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/wlan0/../../proxy |
| 13:11.24 | marginalMan | dunno... -i did it from the settings menu |
| 13:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | j/k |
| 13:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, there is pc connectivity manager pkg which seems to simplify quite some of those setups, though I haven't used it much to test and so can't really say if it is useful and works |
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| 13:16.45 | lcuk | alterego, ive seen the yuv fragment shader stuff |
| 13:17.14 | lcuk | alterego, http://qt.gitorious.com/qt/qt/blobs/master/src/3rdparty/phonon/gstreamer/glrenderer.cpp#line213 |
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| 13:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | any linux coders around? what's current policy on linux/maemo regarding filelocking? is there any default filelocking, in a sense of "you can't write to a file that's opened for read by another process"? |
| 13:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | I suppose there isn't |
| 13:35.05 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, theres some things that I have needed locking for but everytime I look into file systems discover there are so many variations and gotchas and stuff |
| 13:35.23 | lcuk | and the main thing I know that uses a lock is the ham/apt stuff |
| 13:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but by default (means kernel fs immanent) there's nothing still? |
| 13:35.51 | lcuk | used to use file locks for numerous networky things in windows of all places |
| 13:35.59 | toggles_w | flock()? |
| 13:36.01 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 13:36.10 | MohammadAG51 | does anyone know of a site that sells DRM free songs? |
| 13:36.13 | frals | woho half a million downloads from extras exceeded \o/ |
| 13:36.19 | lcuk | toggles_w, i thought it was file system specific |
| 13:36.28 | lcuk | frals, \o/ |
| 13:36.31 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, amazon? |
| 13:36.37 | toggles_w | standard call as far as i know |
| 13:36.41 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, US only |
| 13:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | flock() and it has to be called/handled explicitly by any app |
| 13:37.18 | toggles_w | MohammadAG51: ubuntuone back end? |
| 13:37.30 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, does it happily actually lock? |
| 13:37.36 | lcuk | will look into it if it does |
| 13:37.39 | MohammadAG51 | ubuntu one sells songs? |
| 13:37.48 | toggles_w | MohammadAG51: yes |
| 13:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | so my basic question is: can I write to a file that e.g is named foo and used like "bar <foo" |
| 13:37.54 | Zucca | Where does Maemo 5 store it's internet connectio configurations? There's some strange behaviour and I want to look in to the config files. |
| 13:37.54 | toggles_w | open rhythmbox |
| 13:38.01 | MohammadAG51 | i thought the whole project failed |
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| 13:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I looked into the relevant manpages a few days ago, and got a headache |
| 13:39.43 | Zucca | MohammadAG51: Jamendo.com? Free songs at least, so not for sale actually. ;) |
| 13:39.55 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i have been reading up on making an overlay fs (to handle dynamic optification with a dual speed filesystem underneath) |
| 13:40.00 | lcuk | and my head hurts too |
| 13:40.03 | toggles_w | MohammadAG51: nope, uses http://7digital.com/ as a back end, you might be able to buy direct from there |
| 13:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | there is some global locking mechanism, but it doesn't work on linux, and tehre are several other explicit locking mechanisms that seem incompatible and cooperative-only |
| 13:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'm pondering to rewrite an audiofile on the fly, while other process is doing playback from that file (bet you can guess what I'm after ;-) |
| 13:42.47 | frals | Zucca: gconf dir at /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |
| 13:43.25 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, cant guess actually, but pipes are usually used for that arent they? |
| 13:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | but pipes aren't failsafe. If writing process dies, the reading process hangs forever |
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| 13:44.39 | MohammadAG51 | Zucca, i already have the song, but supporting a band isn't a bad thing |
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| 13:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: while a ringtone playback from a *.wav real file would always playback *something*, and I want to change content of that file, while actual playback is in progress (of course will fail epically if playback process is using large buffer or sth) |
| 13:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: using a named pipe for that was my suggestion to barisione from some days ago, here in this chan :-) |
| 13:48.16 | Zucca | frals: Thanks. :) |
| 13:48.41 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, cool |
| 13:48.50 | lcuk | hasnt actually used named pipes for many years |
| 13:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | hacky |
| 13:49.10 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sometimes hacks are needed |
| 13:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: anyway why mess around with cumbersome setup of gstreamer pipe for custom playback of ringtone, while feeding dialer with a 0 byte nokiatune.aac.wav, if you could feed the dialer playback engine with mangled data via a named pipe or even by rewriting the nokiatune.aac.wav on the fly |
| 13:51.37 | alterego | lcuk: thank you very much :) |
| 13:52.28 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, reasonable enough |
| 13:52.28 | alterego | Hrm, that doesn't look like GLSL |
| 13:52.39 | lcuk | glsl/ |
| 13:52.43 | lcuk | ? |
| 13:53.07 | alterego | OpenGL Shader Language |
| 13:53.24 | alterego | Looks a lot more like C |
| 13:54.36 | alterego | I'm trying to write an fcam app, but using OpenGL for display rather than that crappy OMAP framebuffer overlay :) |
| 13:54.50 | alterego | It's almost working, it just looks a bit off. |
| 13:55.55 | lcuk | cool |
| 13:56.05 | lcuk | the omap framebuffer isnt that bad you know |
| 13:57.43 | Zucca | Oh btw. If I use power kernel is there a CPU temp watcher that lowers the CPU frequency if it goes too hot? |
| 13:58.16 | GAN900 | Hot isn't the issue |
| 13:59.54 | Zucca | GAN900: So I guess that the stability is then? |
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| 14:00.10 | crashanddie | GAN900: http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=4842969113&size=large |
| 14:00.31 | Zucca | I've heard that 900MHz is still stable. |
| 14:00.36 | alterego | lcuk: Yeah, but an OpenGL based viewfinder would be so much cooler ;) |
| 14:01.22 | lcuk | it would be warmer :) using extra battery for what purpose? |
| 14:02.12 | alterego | I don't think that will be too much of an issue |
| 14:02.41 | alterego | But the purpose would be eye candy :P |
| 14:03.09 | alterego | Once I get it working though, I'll do some power usage tests ;) |
| 14:03.19 | GAN900 | Zucca, electromigration. |
| 14:03.39 | GAN900 | Zucca, stability doesn't have anything to do with whether you're killing it or not. |
| 14:03.42 | lcuk | alterego, reasonable enough, what eyecandy are you thinking though |
| 14:03.53 | crashanddie | ~electromigration is when police officers ask you to move out of the area using their taser. |
| 14:03.54 | infobot | ...but electromigration is already something else... |
| 14:03.59 | crashanddie | damn |
| 14:04.18 | Zucca | GAN900: Electromigraion? New word for me. Care to explain? |
| 14:04.18 | crashanddie | ~electromigration |
| 14:04.19 | infobot | rumour has it, electromigration is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration |
| 14:04.21 | alterego | lcuk: well, I'm just mixing media at the moment, OpenGL+Qt see what I can come up with |
| 14:04.39 | lcuk | nods |
| 14:04.55 | Zucca | clicks the wiki link... |
| 14:05.00 | crashanddie | lcuk: what are you working on these days? |
| 14:05.14 | crashanddie | lcuk: still working on liqbase? If so, what are the next milestones you have planned? |
| 14:05.16 | lcuk | getting rid of my hangover |
| 14:05.21 | alterego | lcuk: I was contemplating doing a Qt version of your reversed AR ;) |
| 14:05.42 | alterego | I've got draggable views now, so I can navigate around an apps views with the swipe of a finger. |
| 14:05.49 | alterego | (both horizontal & vertical) :) |
| 14:05.50 | lcuk | cool alterego it best be able to do what I hope with it :p |
| 14:05.59 | alterego | lcuk: What's that? |
| 14:06.15 | lcuk | alterego, have you seen that it works with a tiled set of machines |
| 14:06.41 | alterego | Oh, yeah, that's neat. |
| 14:06.55 | Zucca | Ah. Now I see. |
| 14:06.58 | alterego | I was contemplating trying to implement it without the need for lights .. |
| 14:07.02 | lcuk | crashanddie, yes |
| 14:07.05 | alterego | Just using scenery. |
| 14:07.57 | Zucca | GAN900: Is there any reports of dead cpu/chips because the use of power kernel? |
| 14:08.00 | lcuk | throws zippo across the room |
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| 14:08.10 | alterego | Though, auto calibration might be hard |
| 14:08.35 | lcuk | alterego, i have location scale and orientation |
| 14:09.00 | lcuk | white light was the only thing making me meh atm |
| 14:09.17 | alterego | Yeah |
| 14:09.31 | alterego | And IR LEDs weren't good enough? |
| 14:10.08 | lcuk | i didnt have any IR leds at the time |
| 14:10.44 | lcuk | crashanddie, there will be stuff forthcoming |
| 14:10.45 | alterego | Ah, looking at the glrenderer source you gave me, it looks like they use 3 different textures for Y, U & V |
| 14:10.49 | alterego | Mine is as one :/ |
| 14:11.14 | lcuk | you fudged yuv into an RGB texture and then re-fudging it? |
| 14:11.27 | lcuk | which wouldnt be the worst thing |
| 14:11.33 | alterego | I fudged it into a LUMINANCE_ALPHA texture |
| 14:12.59 | alterego | I'm not sure how effecient demultiplexing the YUV planes from the byte buffer I get into three textures will be. |
| 14:13.03 | alterego | I kind of rather not :P |
| 14:13.24 | lcuk | i am used to seeing yuv as planar |
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| 14:13.57 | alterego | It would appear that is the "standard" but FCam doesn't seem to do that. |
| 14:14.02 | alterego | It uses YUV422 |
| 14:14.09 | alterego | As a single byte array |
| 14:14.17 | DrIDK2 | MohammadAG: I just installed vlc-remote from extra. It works nice! Thanks |
| 14:14.48 | lcuk | alterego, yeah coming from the camera it does |
| 14:14.51 | lcuk | forgot |
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| 14:19.53 | alterego | I've got a feeling it's because the values alternate between Cr and Cb |
| 14:20.14 | alterego | That's the first byte or something. |
| 14:20.41 | alterego | It might not be possible for me to do the pixel manipulation like that. |
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| 14:24.50 | lcuk | alterego, i demux the values into planar coming from the camera before i do anything |
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| 14:25.12 | lcuk | the algorithm is faily quick, reading a ULONG of data and pushing to the 3 planes as required |
| 14:25.45 | alterego | What's the processor usage like? :) |
| 14:25.46 | lcuk | it could be optimised further by buffering up the YUV planar writes until also aligned on ULONG boundaries |
| 14:25.58 | lcuk | its light for the low res data (320*240) |
| 14:26.16 | alterego | I'm doing 640x480 |
| 14:26.31 | lcuk | yeah i didnt need more |
| 14:26.36 | alterego | I'll give it a go and see if I'm happy with the results ;) |
| 14:26.39 | lcuk | and 320*240 is what also still works on the 810 |
| 14:26.53 | lcuk | hence not wanting/needing to increase it |
| 14:26.56 | alterego | I thought the N810 was 640x480 aswell .. |
| 14:27.00 | lcuk | it can |
| 14:27.07 | lcuk | but handling 4x data turns it to mush |
| 14:27.32 | lcuk | i needed responsiveness, the invar stuff *should* technically work there |
| 14:27.40 | lcuk | still to compile again for 8x0 |
| 14:27.51 | alterego | Ah, okay |
| 14:27.54 | alterego | Fair enough |
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| 14:28.26 | crope | N900 and got incoming call during app install. now installer is freeze and says "Unable to cancel. Please wait." I have been waiting abot 30mins now... |
| 14:28.29 | lcuk | the n97 has a cpu similar to the 8x0 i believe |
| 14:28.34 | jacekowski | heh |
| 14:28.46 | lcuk | crope, not good |
| 14:28.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:28.56 | jacekowski | i've got real fs-94 |
| 14:29.19 | jacekowski | as i said papers with queen work quite well |
| 14:29.21 | crope | lcuk: how long should I wait? |
| 14:29.44 | MohammadAG | DrIDK2, you're welcome :) |
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| 14:31.06 | lcuk | crope, what were you installing |
| 14:31.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've got real jig |
| 14:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Neat - how. |
| 14:31.58 | jacekowski | from a shop |
| 14:32.15 | SpeedEvil | how much? |
| 14:32.28 | jacekowski | 70 |
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| 14:32.45 | SpeedEvil | that's not completely unreasonable. |
| 14:32.52 | MohammadAG | 70 what? |
| 14:32.59 | SpeedEvil | English pounds. |
| 14:33.01 | jacekowski | pounds |
| 14:33.07 | jacekowski | british pounds |
| 14:33.39 | jacekowski | as i said papers with queen picture on them work quite well |
| 14:33.40 | lcuk | was paying so much for drinks last night that i almost had to offer first born son to buy a pint |
| 14:33.54 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: He's drinking already? |
| 14:34.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:34.37 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, hes been drinking all his life unsurprisingly |
| 14:34.41 | crope | lcuk: jSpeed from extras devel :o looks like I should force it stop. hopefully package manager db does not corrupt.. |
| 14:34.41 | alterego | misses the multiple angle stand from the N810 in the N900 |
| 14:34.52 | luke-jr | multiple angle? |
| 14:34.57 | alterego | The N900, at it's current position and where I'm situated is too flat |
| 14:34.59 | lcuk | crope, eep |
| 14:35.19 | jacekowski | anyways time to get back home |
| 14:35.20 | alterego | Yeah, the N810, you could use the stand to flick between a couple of different angles |
| 14:35.33 | lcuk | could you check on bugs.maemo.org if theres a match for that issue |
| 14:35.36 | lcuk | and if not, file one |
| 14:36.11 | alterego | How much are N810's now? |
| 14:36.48 | crope | lcuk: will do |
| 14:37.22 | lcuk | crope, lemme know the number, I might want to look into that more |
| 14:37.57 | lcuk | hmmms and wanders off to check some things |
| 14:38.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, two N900s and a coke |
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| 14:40.24 | crashanddie | alterego: about $200 |
| 14:41.32 | crope | lcuk: ok. maybe Monday I have time |
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| 14:44.03 | lcuk | crope, did your HAM work after you restarted it? |
| 14:44.28 | luke-jr | crashanddie: they were $200 back in early 2009 |
| 14:45.43 | luke-jr | that said, eBay has one at $180 closing in 4 hrs |
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| 14:47.28 | SpeedEvil | Look at completed sales for prices |
| 14:47.36 | SpeedEvil | you can never tell if that'll hit $400 |
| 14:47.45 | alterego | Weird, the N900 is heavier than the n810 :) |
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| 14:52.59 | RST38h | more stuff inside |
| 14:53.46 | GAN900 | wonders if MicroB will ever support HTML5. |
| 14:55.30 | SpeedEvil | And flash 10 |
| 14:55.31 | RST38h | No. |
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| 14:55.42 | alterego | Very unlikely |
| 14:55.49 | RST38h | You need an explanation or will the short answer do? =) |
| 14:55.50 | alterego | MeeGo isn't even using MicroB |
| 14:55.59 | RST38h | thank you, Captain |
| 14:56.16 | alterego | I wonder if Harmatten/MeeGo will be using MicroB though |
| 14:56.41 | RST38h | No |
| 14:57.17 | alterego | Do you know that for a fact? |
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| 15:00.49 | lcuk | didnt the adobe guy show flash 10 on n900 |
| 15:01.32 | lcuk | http://nokia-n900.com/flash-player-10-1-on-nokia-n900/ |
| 15:01.47 | RST38h | alterego: MeeGo uses Fennec as its default browser. |
| 15:03.51 | Stskeeps | lcuk: worst pr ever if it was never going to be provided.. |
| 15:04.13 | lcuk | then follow up |
| 15:04.19 | lcuk | adboe themselves have got it |
| 15:04.38 | lcuk | so push directly |
| 15:04.47 | alterego | RST38h: sure, but I was talking about Harmattan |
| 15:05.37 | alterego | I agree about pushing Adobe, |
| 15:05.45 | alterego | We should write a petition or something :) |
| 15:06.09 | alterego | (I actually don't really give a crap about Flash 10 support personally though) |
| 15:06.12 | Stskeeps | might be more suitable to ask Movial if they intend to provide one. |
| 15:06.16 | alterego | But I'd be happy to help push for the cause. |
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| 15:08.03 | GAN900 | lcuk, it's Nokia's job to ship it. |
| 15:08.21 | GAN900 | lcuk, not Adobe with the way Flash on mobile is handled. |
| 15:08.23 | lcuk | GAN900, its Adobes job to make it available first |
| 15:08.25 | GAN900 | lcuk, so don't deflect. |
| 15:08.29 | alterego | Yeah, what does Movial have to do with anything? |
| 15:08.38 | GAN900 | Yeah, except Nokia is actually the hold-up here. |
| 15:08.45 | lcuk | cant do fuck all unless theres a package |
| 15:08.48 | GAN900 | So stop drinking Kool-Aid. |
| 15:09.22 | alterego | There's nothing cool about aids ... |
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| 15:14.13 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I do not think they care about PR in our case |
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| 15:14.41 | RST38h | Stskeeps: this whole maemo thing is somekind of a research project, or so the corpses would like anyone to believe |
| 15:15.13 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Symbian is their main corporate [wooden] horse |
| 15:18.19 | RST38h | Meanwhile, would some kind soul help me resolving a problem with the SB2 generating packages with too-high dependency versions? |
| 15:18.42 | GAN900 | lcuk, in summary Intel and Nokia shouldn't have to support things they don't make, but Adobe should? |
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| 15:18.59 | Corsac | aha |
| 15:19.18 | Corsac | RST38h: thanks for reminding me that mic sucks badly, but it might suck less than scratchbox |
| 15:19.33 | MohammadAG | is the ubuntuone music store down? |
| 15:20.07 | lcuk | GAN900, in summary: reverse engineering is illegal. since flash is closed source, without adobe blessing what the heck can be done? |
| 15:20.14 | RST38h | Mohammad: You are probably the only guy here using it |
| 15:20.23 | RST38h | Probably the only guy in Jerusalem too =) |
| 15:20.48 | MohammadAG | RST38h, in Jordan atm :P |
| 15:21.06 | RST38h | Statement stands =) |
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| 15:21.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: which jig? |
| 15:21.35 | knightstalker | Hello,Any Apps I can Receive Fax with? |
| 15:21.47 | MohammadAG | RST38h, well, amazon doesn't work outside the US so... |
| 15:21.52 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: fs94 |
| 15:21.59 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: first one |
| 15:22.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh |
| 15:22.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | how much? |
| 15:22.16 | GAN900 | lcuk, um, Adobe has given its blessing. |
| 15:22.25 | GAN900 | lcuk, the ball is in Nokia's court. |
| 15:22.27 | jacekowski | lcuk: it's not illegal |
| 15:22.30 | lcuk | GAN900, where is the deb? |
| 15:22.53 | jacekowski | lcuk: law clearly states that it' legal |
| 15:23.03 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: 70 quid |
| 15:23.05 | GAN900 | lcuk, if you don't know what the details of the issue are, don't go around claiming innocence. |
| 15:23.18 | lcuk | jacekowski, your interpretation of many things is dodgy at the best of times. |
| 15:23.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: hmmm, I'd prefer the universal for 60 |
| 15:23.39 | jacekowski | lcuk: re itself is legal |
| 15:23.58 | lcuk | GAN900, what issue is there to understand? |
| 15:24.03 | jacekowski | lcuk: but writing software based on it isn't |
| 15:24.15 | lcuk | a closed source product exists on the n900, however the company will not release it |
| 15:24.26 | jacekowski | lcuk: that's how all vuln research work |
| 15:24.52 | KnightStalker | Hmm,As I see,There are no Fax receivers for N900,how can I get N900 work with my computer so that i receive the fax in my computer? |
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| 15:26.03 | jacekowski | you can't |
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| 15:27.22 | KnightStalker | Thank You :p |
| 15:27.57 | KnightStalker | its pretty bad for such OS though >_> |
| 15:28.22 | lcuk | afaik, isnt it a limitation of gsm lossy compression etc and not being able to send the fax data over it? |
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| 15:28.47 | KnightStalker | w00t? |
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| 15:28.57 | KnightStalker | Oh no,operators here provide it |
| 15:29.10 | KnightStalker | and I am sure our operators are one of the bad onea |
| 15:29.13 | w00t_ | grumbles |
| 15:29.21 | KnightStalker | lol |
| 15:29.22 | MohammadAG | was expecting that |
| 15:29.24 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 15:29.26 | Stskeeps | w00t_: butchering time? |
| 15:29.41 | w00t_ | Stskeeps: nah, i've just eaten, so i'm in a good mood |
| 15:29.41 | w00t_ | ;p |
| 15:29.42 | MohammadAG | w00t_, why does w00t highlight you :P |
| 15:29.43 | KnightStalker | w00t_,however you are not w00t :P |
| 15:29.49 | w00t_ | KnightStalker: actually, I am |
| 15:29.50 | lcuk | KnightStalker, so try porting the linux fax software and seeing if it can be made to work |
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| 15:30.03 | w00t_ | ^^ |
| 15:30.06 | w00t_ | there's two of me here |
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| 15:30.15 | jacekowski | lcuk: you can fax over gsm |
| 15:30.16 | KnightStalker | lcuk,so,how to port the linux fax software? XD I am on Ubuntu |
| 15:30.23 | jacekowski | lcuk: it skips codec |
| 15:30.40 | jacekowski | but cellmo apparentlyhas no support for it |
| 15:31.01 | KnightStalker | omg |
| 15:31.18 | KnightStalker | our silly operators provide it :O I cant beleive anything worse then ours XD |
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| 15:31.26 | lcuk | goes doing more productive stuff |
| 15:31.40 | GAN900 | lcuk, Adobe licenses the dev kit to provide support to Nokia |
| 15:31.51 | GAN900 | Nokia ships the support for their platforms. |
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| 15:32.18 | GAN900 | The reason support doesn't exist for Maemo is because Nokia is TOO CHEAP to provide it. :) |
| 15:32.28 | luke-jr | `⦠|
| 15:32.41 | luke-jr | I thought it was because it wasn't built into the price of the product |
| 15:33.33 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 15:33.41 | luke-jr | does N900 not support "analog mode"? |
| 15:34.10 | GAN900 | The same reason the N900 is getting dropped like a stone by Nokia with everything else. |
| 15:34.15 | jacekowski | well, skilled programmer with access to sources can do it in a week or two |
| 15:35.05 | technomike | Nokia is dropping N900 support? |
| 15:35.15 | GAN900 | Nokia seems to hate people who give them money |
| 15:35.17 | luke-jr | technomike: of course? |
| 15:35.27 | technomike | :'( |
| 15:35.29 | GAN900 | technomike, depends on your definition of support. |
| 15:35.35 | jacekowski | what about we go to adobe |
| 15:35.40 | jacekowski | give them 5k |
| 15:35.49 | luke-jr | GAN900: nah, everything loses support *eventually* :p |
| 15:35.50 | MohammadAG | well, we wouldn't do that |
| 15:35.51 | jacekowski | and get new flash |
| 15:36.02 | luke-jr | jacekowski: you assume $5k is enough |
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| 15:36.09 | jacekowski | it is |
| 15:36.13 | GAN900 | Nokia and their supporters define it as "providing minor bug fixes every 3-6 months or so". |
| 15:36.17 | luke-jr | Nokia probably gives them $x *per device* |
| 15:36.25 | technomike | Is this an official announcement from Nokia (the support drop) |
| 15:36.27 | technomike | ? |
| 15:36.34 | jacekowski | it's week or two of work for them |
| 15:36.45 | luke-jr | jacekowski: you forget the profit margin |
| 15:36.46 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, get a signed letter from Adobe that your offer is acceptable, then discuss the idea :P |
| 15:36.46 | jacekowski | enough to cover costs |
| 15:37.04 | luke-jr | jacekowski: if Adobe does it for Nokia, they'll have to do it for everyone |
| 15:37.28 | KnightStalker | MohammadAG,Just checking for last time,There are NO ways to use my N900 to receive fax from itself or to connect it to a computer and use the computer to receive fax over gsm? |
| 15:37.33 | lcuk | how does flash on desktop linux work? |
| 15:37.47 | luke-jr | KnightStalker: I can't imagine Fax over GSM is possible |
| 15:37.56 | RST38h | Actually, it does not have to happen this way |
| 15:37.57 | MohammadAG | others know better about cellmo |
| 15:37.58 | jacekowski | luke-jr: it is |
| 15:37.58 | KnightStalker | luke-jr,we just discussed >_> |
| 15:38.01 | lcuk | technomike, no, its just gan ranting |
| 15:38.04 | luke-jr | jacekowski: how? |
| 15:38.10 | technomike | luke-jr - Fax over GSM is suppported |
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| 15:38.15 | jacekowski | luke-jr: but not with n900 |
| 15:38.19 | technomike | ^ |
| 15:38.19 | RST38h | If your development process is set up correctly, it should not cost too much to provide updates to existing hardware owners |
| 15:38.24 | luke-jr | jacekowski: how? |
| 15:38.27 | KnightStalker | okay then,Thanks |
| 15:38.31 | RST38h | At least, BETA updates (i.e. less rigorous testing) |
| 15:38.43 | KnightStalker | luke-jr,consider contacting your mobile operator and ask them if they provide it |
| 15:38.50 | jacekowski | luke-jr: same as early data |
| 15:38.50 | luke-jr | KnightStalker: MMS is far more popular than fax now, and N900 doesn't even support that |
| 15:39.01 | jacekowski | in times before gprs |
| 15:39.01 | luke-jr | Knight|Dinner: there are no 3G services here |
| 15:39.14 | Knight|Dinner | luke-jr,still no problems |
| 15:39.17 | luke-jr | jacekowski: before GPRS, there was no GSM |
| 15:39.29 | lcuk | goes to b&q for dehumidifier |
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| 15:39.38 | Knight|Dinner | Our operators are 2G and 2.5G and they provide fax over gsm |
| 15:39.40 | jacekowski | maybe in usa |
| 15:39.43 | Knight|Dinner | and their MMS suck |
| 15:40.30 | GAN900 | technomike, Nokia never announces anything like that. |
| 15:40.50 | GAN900 | technomike, in fact, they would very vehemently argue that they are. |
| 15:40.53 | jacekowski | luke-jr: shit gets digitized using modem connected at carrier exchange |
| 15:41.05 | GAN900 | Reality and Nokia's PR department frequently don't mesh. |
| 15:41.06 | jacekowski | luke-jr: and then that is pushed to phone |
| 15:41.38 | jacekowski | and you apparently need separate line to differentiate between normal voice and fax |
| 15:42.24 | crashanddie | lmao at Meego-community users going paranoid about nigerian users asking for help |
| 15:43.09 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, lol where? |
| 15:43.11 | jacekowski | shoot him before he steals your n900 |
| 15:43.26 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: erhm... meego-community? |
| 15:43.36 | MohammadAG | mail lists? |
| 15:43.41 | crashanddie | aye |
| 15:44.00 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: just some guy asking for help to get his meego laptop to recognise his USB modem, and the second or third reply is "If your country in Nigeria, and given the number of scams that eminate |
| 15:44.04 | crashanddie | therefrom then perhaps this would not be a good thing after all?" |
| 15:44.25 | jacekowski | my laptop and phone got stolen in nigeria |
| 15:44.40 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: wtf :P |
| 15:44.45 | jacekowski | and i've been there for only little bit over a week |
| 15:44.56 | luke-jr | oh crap |
| 15:44.59 | luke-jr | jacekowski: that was you? |
| 15:45.01 | RST38h | meego has a community? |
| 15:45.17 | jacekowski | since then i shoot niggers at sight |
| 15:45.21 | luke-jr | ⦠|
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| 15:45.43 | luke-jr | so jacekowski.org is a prison? |
| 15:45.47 | jacekowski | and our transport from airport was nice |
| 15:45.58 | jacekowski | buletproof car |
| 15:46.06 | jacekowski | driver with ak47 |
| 15:46.25 | luke-jr | ok, you really need to clarify which parts are sarcastic now |
| 15:46.36 | jacekowski | none |
| 15:46.41 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 15:46.46 | DrIDK2 | Is there a way to check extra-devel download statistic ? |
| 15:46.56 | h4xordood | i want fighter jet ;P |
| 15:47.01 | jacekowski | i'm not so sure about bulletproof car |
| 15:47.08 | luke-jr | [10:45:17] <jacekowski> since then i shoot niggers at sight |
| 15:47.16 | jacekowski | but it had run flat tires |
| 15:47.21 | frals | DrIDK2: http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=PACKAGENAME&os=Maemo5 |
| 15:47.22 | h4xordood | ha :D ehy do |
| 15:48.06 | jacekowski | luke-jr: well, i just try to avoid them |
| 15:48.17 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 15:48.22 | jacekowski | i have to go |
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| 15:49.11 | DrIDK2 | frals: http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=koffice&os=Maemo5 doens't work |
| 15:50.00 | frals | probably because thats not the package name or what it says in the message |
| 15:50.44 | frals | hmm, it worked for fmms while it was still in devel anyway :P |
| 15:51.09 | jacekowski | and phone that got stolen was company phone |
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| 15:51.51 | jacekowski | my own personal phone was safe because i left it in a hotel because there was no signal anyways |
| 15:52.10 | jacekowski | but i had my company phone with my laptop |
| 15:52.21 | jacekowski | well company laptop |
| 15:53.10 | lcuk | no ops on #maemo any more that racist remarks can just be ignored by most? |
| 15:54.18 | jacekowski | it's not racist is fact that things got stolen |
| 15:54.41 | jacekowski | s/is/it's |
| 15:54.59 | jacekowski | i have to go now |
| 15:55.09 | lcuk | your remark about shooting things on sight 9 minutes ago was out of order |
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| 15:58.26 | crashanddie | Jaffa: did you get the links? |
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| 15:59.44 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*acekowski@jacekowski.org] by crashanddie |
| 15:59.44 | *** kick/#maemo [jacekowski!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (2 hour ban. Remind me if I forget) |
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| 16:00.01 | RST38h | sighs |
| 16:00.39 | RST38h | Can we please avoid using political correctness as grounds for banning? |
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| 16:01.22 | crashanddie | I don't mind not using political correctness, but racism I won't tolerate |
| 16:01.26 | crashanddie | plus, 2 hours is nothing |
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| 16:02.47 | RST38h | yes, he is stupid |
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| 17:37.23 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
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| 17:48.44 | mooser | anybody know how to use Mobile Hotspot? I try to conect ad-hoc with laptop and do not get any dhcpoffer, and iwconfig wlan0 shows no AP associated |
| 17:52.04 | Corsac | their won't be any dhcp |
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| 17:53.25 | technomike | mooser - You have to use a static ip obviously :-P simple mistake though. |
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| 17:58.49 | mooser | ty technomike and mooser. my other phone connects over n900 via mobilehotspot without entering IP |
| 17:58.57 | mooser | i think choosing adhoc is a mistake |
| 17:59.08 | mooser | but i find no client instructions |
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| 18:13.59 | RST38bis | The University of Central Florida has developed a full-body motion-control video game that promotes abstinence. |
| 18:14.15 | RST38bis | (for $434k) |
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| 18:22.18 | ShadowJK | I thought abstinence was an accidental side-effect of all good games |
| 18:22.22 | toggles_w | happy ending? |
| 18:22.29 | kerio | ShadowJK: lol |
| 18:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | /kick toggles_w |
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| 18:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: btw I tought that nonsense was (C) + (tm) HtheB |
| 18:26.51 | toggles_w | ? |
| 18:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=happy+ending |
| 18:28.47 | RST38bis | In Java 1.6.0_21, the company field was changed from 'Sun Microsystems, Inc' to 'Oracle.' Apparently not the best idea, because some applications depend on that field to identify the virtual machine. All Eclipse versions since 3.3 (released 2007) until and including the recent Helios release (2010) have been reported to crash |
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| 18:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | esp http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-06-26.log.html#t2010-06-26T21:25:52 |
| 18:29.18 | RST38bis | is sorry for pasting this but he cannot stop giggling |
| 18:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | muhahahaha |
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| 18:30.25 | toggles_w | lol |
| 18:31.56 | korhojoa | RST38bis: devs are dumb |
| 18:32.35 | korhojoa | RST38bis: it's the same thing with opera's browser id flag and old dos mouse drivers |
| 18:33.30 | korhojoa | opera's browser starts getting detected as version 1 and dos mouse drivers stop working since they don't contain the string "Microsoft Corp." at the correct point. |
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| 18:47.27 | RST38bis | One of their leaders has predicted that the regime they're working to create will initially "seem like totalitarianism"... They claim to be able to raise the dead and cause miracles, such as the multiplication of Thanksgiving turkey dinners. |
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| 18:52.57 | luke-jr | RST38bis: ? |
| 18:53.47 | RST38bis | luke: Some new evangelical weirdos coming to political power in certain US states |
| 18:54.02 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 18:54.26 | RST38bis | fucking jesus-bitten warlocks, indeed... |
| 18:54.58 | luke-jr | now that's not fair to assocate Jesus with anti-Christs |
| 18:55.42 | prozzerg | like the rest of the us then? :P religious people everywhere |
| 18:56.41 | luke-jr | prozzerg: people using "religious" as an excuse, more like |
| 18:56.52 | RST38bis | any sect can claim "jesus loves them", does not make them christians |
| 18:57.02 | luke-jr | exactly |
| 18:57.18 | microlith | so they're not true scotsmen I take it |
| 18:57.24 | luke-jr | Jesus loves the atheists and child-eating Aztecs too |
| 18:57.35 | luke-jr | microlith: a Scotsman is defined as someone of Scottish origin |
| 18:57.42 | luke-jr | a Christian is defined as someone who follows Christ |
| 18:57.44 | microlith | I'm talking about the logical fallacy |
| 18:57.51 | luke-jr | I know. it doesn't apply |
| 18:57.55 | microlith | sure it does |
| 18:58.20 | luke-jr | saying "a native American living in Africa is not really a Scotsman" is not a logical fallacy |
| 18:58.29 | luke-jr | it's just applying the definition |
| 18:58.57 | microlith | more like RST38bis is claiming that some people are "not christian" |
| 18:59.10 | luke-jr | lots of people are not Christian |
| 18:59.17 | luke-jr | Christians are a minority |
| 18:59.35 | microlith | no, my point is him picking nits about followers of christ |
| 18:59.47 | luke-jr | microlith: I don't see any nitpicking so far. |
| 19:00.07 | microlith | so you're saying that just because someone claims they are christian doesn't make them christian? |
| 19:00.10 | luke-jr | saying "Jesus loves us!" doesn't make one a follower of Christ (a Christian) |
| 19:00.11 | microlith | who decides that? |
| 19:00.15 | luke-jr | microlith: the Church |
| 19:00.17 | microlith | haha |
| 19:00.19 | microlith | WHICH |
| 19:00.23 | luke-jr | inevitably, only God knows the heart |
| 19:00.27 | luke-jr | microlith: the Church guided by God |
| 19:00.33 | microlith | and you can't possibly know that |
| 19:00.38 | luke-jr | there is only one He founded, after all |
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| 19:00.49 | microlith | "He" did not, men did |
| 19:00.53 | luke-jr | God did. |
| 19:00.59 | luke-jr | all religions founded by men are evil |
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| 19:01.06 | microlith | hahaha |
| 19:01.12 | microlith | and you know the one true path? |
| 19:01.14 | luke-jr | and inherently non-Christian, since one who isn't part of Christ's Church doesn't follow Him obviously |
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| 19:02.13 | luke-jr | microlith: I "know" parts of it. I strive to follow it best I can. |
| 19:02.36 | microlith | and yet you use specious reasoning to exclude others |
| 19:02.50 | luke-jr | specious reasoning? |
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| 19:03.19 | microlith | all faith-based "logic" is specious, as it has no grounding in reality |
| 19:03.30 | luke-jr | nonsense, the Christian Faith *is* reality |
| 19:03.36 | microlith | you -think- it is |
| 19:03.39 | luke-jr | no, it is |
| 19:03.41 | trbs | *proest* |
| 19:03.52 | trbs | insanely offtopic here |
| 19:04.07 | luke-jr | off-topic protest noted; moving discussion to ##Catholic |
| 19:04.11 | microlith | OH |
| 19:04.18 | microlith | that explains it all |
| 19:05.08 | Corsac | luke-jr: omg, don't say that you're confusing catholicism and christianism? |
| 19:05.22 | luke-jr | Corsac: they are the same thing |
| 19:05.46 | Corsac | in which way? |
| 19:05.48 | luke-jr | but the off-topic has been protested; take it to ##Catholic or drop it |
| 19:05.53 | Corsac | (except god's one, obviously) |
| 19:06.05 | Corsac | luke-jr: I won't, but we might take it to ##Christianism |
| 19:06.20 | luke-jr | Corsac: they both refer to the same religion. ##maemo-offtopic |
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| 19:09.44 | RST38bis | what is christianism btw? |
| 19:10.15 | luke-jr | RST38bis: it's already off-topic enough without nitpicking words |
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| 19:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | OT warning - official. Protest has been uttered |
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| 19:11.08 | luke-jr | tried. |
| 19:16.16 | trbs | To move things back to maemo :) Nokia fixed my N900 in under 2 weeks !! :) |
| 19:16.23 | trbs | Broken usb/powerplug issue |
| 19:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | they fixed? or swapped the mainboard? |
| 19:16.45 | trbs | swapped the board |
| 19:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 19:16.56 | trbs | nice because it's almost (or entirely) like a brand new device |
| 19:17.07 | trbs | drawback... losing all of the data on the onboard mem |
| 19:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where all the corpses wll go |
| 19:17.39 | trbs | which regretfully contained quite a number of patches, fixes I'd worked in the last months |
| 19:18.05 | trbs | will soon write a script to rsync the device daily (when charging) :) |
| 19:18.38 | trbs | yeah good point.... I was thinking that maybe if Nokia for some reason didn't want to fix it... I might be able to power it through the battery connector |
| 19:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 |
| 19:18.43 | trbs | and build it into my car or something |
| 19:18.50 | RST38bis | ok, latest ColEm and Speccy are in -testing now, please vote |
| 19:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | starhash-enabler in testing now, please vote :-) |
| 19:19.20 | trbs | or charge the batteries externaly and put it on my MTB with eCoach on it |
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| 19:19.57 | trbs | But in the meantime I forced to work on an Andriod (1.5) phone... and I must say... I hated it :) |
| 19:20.08 | trbs | you don't realize what a nice device the n900 is until you loose it :) |
| 19:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 19:20.57 | RST38bis | yes, we are all aware of the effect... |
| 19:21.19 | trbs | Like sometimes I was complaining that the n900 can be slugish.. Wow wait until you load up an andriod fone... I'll take the few sluginess problems I had on my old n900 any day |
| 19:21.46 | kthomas_vh_ | ha |
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| 19:22.03 | kthomas_vh_ | is deciding on whether to drop his n810 (yet again) |
| 19:22.09 | trbs | besides.. now with the new device it is a lot faster... guessing that might have something to do with that my old phone was never flashed clean... I just upgraded the firmwire otw all the time |
| 19:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | kthomas_vh_: drop like throw to the ground to destroy it? |
| 19:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | kthomas_vh_: or simply put to shelf to collect dust? |
| 19:23.18 | kthomas_vh_ | LOL, drop as in sell and move on |
| 19:23.26 | kthomas_vh_ | perhaps to the n900 |
| 19:23.44 | Corsac | keeps his n810 to one day do an upnp digiframe, weather station, rss reader |
| 19:23.56 | Corsac | (though I didn't find anything which would do that for diablo) |
| 19:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | I got 2 of each, and won't sell any |
| 19:24.22 | trbs | hehe I have my n810 mounted on my bicycle now :) |
| 19:24.36 | kthomas_vh_ | heh |
| 19:25.07 | kthomas_vh_ | if there was 2.5 Wimax around more, I'd be more likely to keep it |
| 19:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | you hardly will find any better equipped and more versatile little controller for almost everything you can think of, for the price of a N810 |
| 19:26.26 | trbs | since I get about 7 till 10 hours out of it, with networking off and gps on... it works perfect as a GPS/excersise logger, and map for mounting biking and hiking |
| 19:27.20 | kthomas_vh_ | I didn't say I didn't like it :) |
| 19:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly thought about using a couple of them for ultrasmart doorbell communicator |
| 19:28.24 | kthomas_vh_ | LOL |
| 19:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | incl camera |
| 19:28.42 | kthomas_vh_ | now that's an interesting use case |
| 19:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | and leave notes, and open door on enter secret code |
| 19:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | for sme 5 parties |
| 19:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | add a $7.99 noisecubes for computer and you're even done with the big ben doorbell |
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| 19:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | compare this: http://www.ebreaker.de/product_info.php/products_id/1852 -- 1.745EUR :-o |
| 19:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | and not a 1/10 that smart |
| 19:34.40 | trbs | definitely :) |
| 19:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | 3 x N810 = ~650EUR |
| 19:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | "cabling" included |
| 19:35.43 | kthomas_vh_ | ha |
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| 19:39.54 | trbs | Someday I want to make a home security / automatisation system using maemo as baseos + gui ... something like beagleboard + 17" touchscreen for basestation and n* device for orbs.. that would be cool :) |
| 19:40.02 | trbs | if only I had more of this pesky little time thing :) |
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| 19:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | maemo on beagleboard, hmm |
| 19:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe go for meego |
| 19:45.52 | gobuki | Good evening! Want to netboot the ubuntu installer, FreeBSD or clonezilla from your n900? i prepared a pxe root and wrote a little howto: http://gobuki.org/pxe-n900. |
| 19:46.10 | gobuki | have fun :) |
| 19:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | what??? |
| 19:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | clicks |
| 19:46.29 | Stskeeps | trbs: base off meego, more sane - and port exists |
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| 19:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | gobuki: VIDEO, give use VIDEO! |
| 19:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:48.46 | gobuki | a video on how to set it up? |
| 19:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | see it in action |
| 19:49.12 | Stskeeps | trbs: and less legal problems :P |
| 19:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | with a few words explaining what's going on |
| 19:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | gobuki: +++ :-D |
| 19:49.47 | gobuki | mmh.. my only camera is the n900 |
| 19:49.56 | gobuki | :-) |
| 19:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | hm, problem |
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| 19:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: check out gobuki ! |
| 19:51.29 | Pforce | hmm |
| 19:51.37 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i did |
| 19:51.39 | gobuki | maybe i'm gonna record it tomorrow |
| 19:51.44 | Pforce | ubuntu on the n900? |
| 19:51.57 | gobuki | no, booted over network from the n900 |
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| 19:52.01 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: pxe boot for other devices |
| 19:52.03 | Corsac | does elisa exist for diablo? |
| 19:52.08 | toggles_w | Pforce: see mer |
| 19:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ooh |
| 19:53.00 | lcuk | trbs, write a cover app ontop of linux and it can be running today |
| 19:53.18 | lcuk | use n900 maemo, some laptop with some os on it and a couple of little apps |
| 19:53.19 | gobuki | i wish there were a nice gui to start a pxe-boot server and add operating system |
| 19:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: still cool, but fail to see the usecase |
| 19:53.33 | lcuk | write it in qt and it almost doesnt matter what os you sit it on |
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| 19:54.02 | gobuki | s/system/systems/ |
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| 19:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: elisa, the stupid bot? |
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| 19:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that written in a completely OS indeoendent way? |
| 19:58.18 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: hmhm, it's known as moovida now, it seems |
| 19:58.18 | lcuk | gobuki, please do what you can to retain your url when you offer it - being redirected to an ip only is a little disconcerting when I clicked on the normal link |
| 19:58.58 | gobuki | yeah, sorry. i'm about to move my domain. |
| 19:59.07 | lcuk | nods |
| 19:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: sorry, mixed it with http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3 |
| 20:01.09 | lcuk | continues drying house |
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| 20:02.06 | jacekowski | morning |
| 20:02.22 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
| 20:02.35 | jacekowski | 17:55 < lcuk> your remark about shooting things on sight 9 minutes ago was out of order |
| 20:02.40 | jacekowski | hmm, |
| 20:02.52 | jacekowski | lcuk: so you call them "things" |
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| 20:04.34 | Corsac | calls the off-topic police |
| 20:05.46 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:06.22 | jacekowski | anyways going back to my shopping today |
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| 20:06.28 | jacekowski | i went to shop |
| 20:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: watch your speech. Racist comments are a sure kick on all IRC nets |
| 20:06.43 | jacekowski | asked for fs-94 |
| 20:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: do not answer! |
| 20:07.01 | jacekowski | and well, he said that he can't sell it to me |
| 20:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | yep, that's the response I got as well |
| 20:08.13 | jacekowski | but i was prepared for that |
| 20:08.13 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:08.13 | jacekowski | and had £200 in cash in my wallet |
| 20:08.13 | jacekowski | so i took it out |
| 20:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:08.16 | Corsac | (what's fs-94?) |
| 20:08.32 | jacekowski | and well, cash makes people so much more cooperative |
| 20:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | service mount jig |
| 20:08.35 | SpeedEvil | FS-94 is a nokia test-bed rig. |
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| 20:09.21 | jacekowski | hmm, i could have asked for test pads |
| 20:09.28 | jacekowski | maybe he would know anything about them |
| 20:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yes |
| 20:10.28 | gobuki | is there a nice way to stop dnsmasq? i see it is started by the af-startup init script. |
| 20:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, what *is* FS-94 really now? just a blob of plastics with 3 pogopins? or is LV-shifter included? Battery supply? |
| 20:10.58 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's detailed on the l3/l4 manual |
| 20:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:11.12 | gobuki | what is osso-af-init? |
| 20:11.36 | jacekowski | well, i've not taken it apart yet |
| 20:11.44 | jacekowski | but it looks like there is more stuff inside it |
| 20:11.46 | Corsac | http://www.google.com/images?q=fs-94&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&tbs=isch:1&ei=V4NUTKe-I4SQjAfS7OHDBA&start=20&sa=N ok, I'm not exactly sure if it's related, but is that *really* a fs-94 (nsfw, second picture) |
| 20:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: mhm, and what connectors has it? |
| 20:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | does it come with accessories? |
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| 20:13.02 | jacekowski | i don't know if it comes with accesories from nokia |
| 20:13.08 | jacekowski | i just got thingy itself |
| 20:13.22 | jacekowski | and it has like d type connector |
| 20:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | duh, and no matching cable. That's as much as I thought when reading L3_4 |
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| 20:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's supposed to conect to FOO-42 |
| 20:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, tobacco finished. Have to leave |
| 20:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 20:15.37 | jacekowski | i don't have correct screwdriver here |
| 20:15.42 | jacekowski | so i can't take it apart |
| 20:15.45 | ShadowJK | what shop did you go to? |
| 20:16.01 | jacekowski | i'm not going to name shop |
| 20:16.32 | jacekowski | not in public channel |
| 20:16.41 | jacekowski | and not somebody who might be remotely related to nokia |
| 20:18.13 | ShadowJK | Well obviously not wallmart? Did you go to a repair shop? |
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| 20:18.43 | jacekowski | yes, one of nokia care shops in london |
| 20:18.56 | ShadowJK | I wonder how much it cost for them to get it |
| 20:19.21 | jacekowski | well, he told me that it costs them around £70 |
| 20:19.27 | jacekowski | and that's how much i paid in the end |
| 20:20.01 | SpeedEvil | It'd be interesting to ask some frontline nokia repairperson about failures |
| 20:20.30 | ShadowJK | Hm.. so you asked if they have one, they said yeah, you wanted to buy it and they said no, you lifted 200 quids onto counter and they sold it for 70? |
| 20:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | failures? |
| 20:20.55 | ShadowJK | that's kinda cool.. I have to try that |
| 20:20.57 | jacekowski | well, i visited couple shop |
| 20:20.59 | jacekowski | shops |
| 20:21.21 | jacekowski | 1st one, closes to my home in maldon was a failure |
| 20:21.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: For example - how common is USB failure |
| 20:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:21.50 | jacekowski | but i got costs info from them and information if every shop has it |
| 20:22.00 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: and how many come i after being taken apart. :) |
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| 20:22.49 | jacekowski | i'll skip second shop i visited as i would get banned again for racist comments |
| 20:24.26 | jacekowski | 3rd shop was basicaly question if they would sell it, then i pulled out cash out of my wallet |
| 20:24.27 | ShadowJK | it's not racist if you don't mention their race, class, ethnicity, political orientation, sexual orientation, or whether they consider waffles breakfast food or dinner food |
| 20:24.53 | jacekowski | so mentioning political orientation would be racist? |
| 20:24.59 | jacekowski | that's new |
| 20:25.03 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:25.34 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer is trying to look scary |
| 20:25.59 | Corsac | ShadowJK: waffles are everytime food |
| 20:26.32 | jacekowski | i suppose i could get it in first shop if i had same information i had when i entered 3rd shop |
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| 20:27.18 | ShadowJK | 70£ is affordable |
| 20:27.24 | jacekowski | but that just proves the point |
| 20:27.30 | jacekowski | money can buy everything |
| 20:27.36 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 20:29.20 | SpeedEvil | Money cannot buy this raspberry. |
| 20:29.32 | SpeedEvil | holds up a raspberry, and gobbles it. |
| 20:30.21 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: did it spill the beans? |
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| 20:32.10 | SpeedEvil | Also - anyone in Fife, near Glenrothes want free raspberries? |
| 20:32.10 | jacekowski | but now i have the most important part |
| 20:32.17 | derf | Raspberries are a fungible good. |
| 20:32.21 | SpeedEvil | (pick your own) |
| 20:35.49 | mooser | it is spelled "kernel", bot "kernal", everybody |
| 20:35.52 | mooser | not |
| 20:37.40 | crashanddie | mooser: erhm, no. |
| 20:38.19 | crashanddie | Jaffa: around? |
| 20:39.23 | gobuki | anyone in here who still uses PR 1.1? Can you paste a dnsmasq --version please? |
| 20:39.26 | Corsac | what about raspberry waffles? |
| 20:40.23 | gobuki | i'm trying to remember why i installed a dnsmasq package from lenny when i configured my pxe server some months ago :P |
| 20:41.16 | gobuki | i think i needed it for tftp boot support.. but i'm not sure. The pr 1.2 version supports it out of the box |
| 20:41.23 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: why the +o? |
| 20:41.31 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:41.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 20:42.18 | jacekowski | infobot is back |
| 20:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | since quite some time |
| 20:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 20:43.07 | infobot | Since Sat Jul 31 16:07:20 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 4h 35m 47s this session, and currently reference 117188 factoids. I'm using about 16468 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 315.92/10.85 child 0/0.02 |
| 20:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | even before. This probably been a reboot for the necessary bugfixes |
| 20:45.05 | technomike | n900 just gets better and better. I love it! |
| 20:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | was this you to whom I explained that? |
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| 20:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | you'll go from 'like'->'love'|'haze' |
| 20:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | in a few weeks |
| 20:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | hate even |
| 20:47.07 | crashanddie | or "indiference" |
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| 20:47.15 | crashanddie | indifference? |
| 20:47.19 | crashanddie | ~sp indifference |
| 20:47.32 | crashanddie | ~wake up |
| 20:47.32 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell indifference |
| 20:48.07 | crashanddie | ~spell DocScrutinizer |
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| 20:48.31 | crashanddie | I would say "DocScrutiniser" |
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| 20:49.32 | Corsac | grmbl, can't I force the n810 to boot even when on charger? |
| 20:49.49 | pH5 | gobuki: 2.35 |
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| 20:50.14 | Corsac | hmhm, ok, so i managed to do it |
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| 20:50.16 | Corsac | not sure how |
| 20:50.25 | gobuki | pH5: does it have tftp and dhcp compiled in? |
| 20:50.59 | mooser_ | Corsac: i dont see how mobile hotspot works without manual client network config |
| 20:51.04 | gobuki | it displays the compile time options with --version |
| 20:52.31 | ham5 | any on the fly voice changer apps ? |
| 20:52.45 | pH5 | gobuki: Jan 16 13:55:15 Nokia-N900-51-1 dnsmasq[1699]: compile time options: IPv6 GNU-getopt no-RTC no-ISC-leasefile DBus no-I18N |
| 20:52.46 | ham5 | auto-tune it up or anything in a phone call? :) |
| 20:52.57 | gobuki | pH5: tyvm |
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| 20:57.14 | Macer | hm. i have a good signal where i am |
| 20:57.21 | Macer | using my l33t0 wifi tethering |
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| 21:00.19 | mooser | resolv.conf in n900 is emmmmmmmm tyyyyhyyyy! where iis my dns seeerver ip?????? |
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| 21:23.05 | SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1280604760765.jpg - on the theme of emulators. (worksafe) |
| 21:24.11 | Corsac | depends on the work I guess |
| 21:25.04 | technomike | Aahhahahahahaha SpeedEvil |
| 21:25.16 | technomike | Good one :P |
| 21:26.54 | mooser | nice |
| 21:28.22 | mooser | ok ceni script is broken for as-hoc in sidux |
| 21:28.27 | mooser | ad |
| 21:28.58 | mooser | but with manual config, client connects to n900 hotspot |
| 21:29.22 | mooser | just no NAT happinness |
| 21:30.31 | mooser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.21 | mooser | well still no NAT workin |
| 22:36.19 | mooser | 10.49.76.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 22:36.19 | mooser | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs1 |
| 22:36.53 | mooser | is that a correct routing table for the n900 running mobile hotspot? |
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| 22:57.31 | technomike | guys |
| 22:58.00 | technomike | What is the benefit/use of Asterisk on the N900/Maemo |
| 22:58.07 | dmkae | hey all |
| 22:58.51 | psycho_oreos | mobile VoIP? *shrugs* |
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| 23:47.17 | psycho_oreos | lol this manual install method of packages that I've previously setup n900 with and now using dpkg method is painstakingly slow |
| 23:47.55 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, hmm? |
| 23:49.54 | psycho_oreos | lcuk, what I've done was repacked all my deb files from my previous n900 setup. My intention was to start from scratch again because I was pissed off how various things weren't working right (long story). Now as I refuse to go through apt-get method and/or ham (because my internet connection is already shaped plus I'm using it to download other things which will only cause installation to lag when downloading) I'm pretty much stuck with dpkg me |
| 23:49.55 | psycho_oreos | thod |
| 23:51.43 | psycho_oreos | as you know dpkg doesn't handles deps properly, much like rpm.. they're just backends that deal with issues apart from deps and for everytime there's a dependency unmet it just means I have to go back and remove that package if I can't install the deps, etc |
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| 23:59.46 | lcuk | ahhh psycho_oreos so you just made life more difficult! |
