IRC log for #maemo on 20100730

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`00:15.38`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`SpeedEvil: what's been that other package (official nokia?) to test GPS?`
`00:16.13`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`liblocationtestGUI`
`00:16.20`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`or sth`
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`00:16.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`loation-test-gui`
`00:16.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`location-test-gui`
`00:17.15`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`seems gone in ham?`
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`00:18.38`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`or my LOCALE is fooling me once more (like for fmradio)`
`00:21.15`	`SpeedEvil`	`ii location-test-gui 0.93-1+0m5 Location test gui`
`00:21.31`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`SpeedEvil: any link to a deb to install? apt-cache doesn't find either`
`00:21.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`umm`
`00:21.54`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`or repo?`
`00:22.16`	`SpeedEvil`	`I think I installed it from a repo - but I have lots installed`
`00:22.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/non-free/l/location-test-gui/`
`00:22.38`	`SpeedEvil`	`aha!`
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`00:22.56`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`I'm sure I installed from repo, but it's gone in the usual ones`
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`00:25.30`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`thanks, .deb via microb worked`
`00:26.16`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`pool/maemo5/nonfree? WTF`
`00:27.28`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`I feel like missing a few more weird catalogs`
`00:30.40`	`zeltak`	`hya guys...was wondering how well the gps works on other n900 without network assistance (i dont have a data plan)`
`00:30.52`	`zeltak`	`in my n900 (only got it last week`
`00:31.03`	`zeltak`	`)it works like crap..is that normal?`
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`00:33.09`	`asj`	`zeltak: yes :(`
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`00:33.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`zeltak: I have it connected over wifi, with no SIM, and it works just fine.`
`00:33.33`	`zeltak`	`i see bummer... :(`
`00:33.35`	`SpeedEvil`	`If you use it moderately often`
`00:33.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`lock is ~30s`
`00:33.59`	`zeltak`	`SpeedEvil: yeah but when your driving its hard to get wifi all the time :-)`
`00:34.17`	`asj`	`zeltak: you should only need it within 4 hours of your drive`
`00:34.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`zeltak: I think it works fine withoout wifi, I will test that tomorrow.`
`00:34.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`plus - it will go for 16 hours with GPS on`
`00:35.06`	`zeltak`	`i tested it with the default nokia maps.took like 5 minutes to get a lock and kept loosing the gps signal every minute or so...that kinda sucked`
`00:35.34`	`zeltak`	`yeah i dont think ill use the gps much day to day but was kinda hope to use it once in a while when driving..`
`00:35.37`	`asj`	`zeltak: network access only helps with initial fix`
`00:36.17`	`asj`	`zeltak: so you might want try a different location in the car, one with less metal overhead perhaps?`
`00:36.26`	`zeltak`	`i see asj good to know..it does fix after a while (a long while:))`
`00:36.36`	`zeltak`	`asj i tried it walking ;-)`
`00:36.43`	`zeltak`	`so that wasnt the problem..lol`
`00:37.42`	`zeltak`	`i wonder then how the sygic gps turn by turn nav they sell for mameo works since the signal is so unrelaiable`
`00:37.59`	`asj`	`zeltak: heh, I admit I don't use the gps a lot (I have like 5 gps devices) but hands atenuate it a lot (as apple found out) as does tree cover and buildings`
`00:38.18`	`asj`	`zeltak: but I've had very solid locks with it`
`00:39.12`	`zeltak`	`i see ..did u guys see the utube apple spoof,,hilarious:`
`00:39.13`	`zeltak`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMl_71dqeR8&feature=player_embedded`
`00:39.45`	`asj`	`yeah that's funny`
`00:40.35`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`gps is friggin awesome once you got first fix`
`00:41.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`I don't find it unreliable personally.`
`00:41.18`	`nox-`	`where is the gps antenna on the n900?`
`00:41.18`	`SpeedEvil`	`I have done long term studies on the GPS accuracy.`
`00:41.19`	`zeltak`	`hi DocScrutinizer51 really? i did get a fix that was fine but it kept loosing the signal every minute or so`
`00:41.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`The RMS error is under 5m.`
`00:41.29`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`for first fix though it helps a lot to have a)gsm b)wifi c)no moving til fix`
`00:42.03`	`zeltak`	`ok ill try it outside my house in a few minues where i can still get some wifi going`
`00:42.07`	`zeltak`	`i hope that helps`
`00:42.43`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`maybe your car is well faraday with metal coated windows?`
`00:42.58`	`zeltak`	`hopes the wife will be patient while playing arounf with gps before going out to dinner :)`
`00:43.20`	`zeltak`	`DocScrutinizer51: i actually tested it outside walking :)`
`00:44.07`	`asj`	`zeltak: losing signal == weak lock. Once you have your first fix signal strength requirements are much less. of course, poor satelite visibility can be an issue if they're all down near the horizon.`
`00:44.15`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`I found it will lock up in a limbo state if no fix in some 120s`
`00:44.26`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`if no GSM`
`00:44.52`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`stop and restart did it for me`
`00:44.58`	`zeltak`	`i see..yeah i dont have a data plan (i sit under wifi all day at uni :))`
`00:45.43`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`occasionally took 15min with wifi`
`00:46.12`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`then keeps good TTFF for at least several hours`
`00:46.46`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`with GSM always less than 1min ( if possible at all)`
`00:47.19`	`zeltak`	`ok good to know..yeah gsm is not hapenning soon..maybe in the fufutre`
`00:47.25`	`olebrom`	`I have GPSJinni running to get gps-fix without a-gps (network trafic) operative. This since the standard apps drops out before gps-fix is established.`
`00:47.44`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`gsm!=data`
`00:47.52`	`zeltak`	`ahh cool olebrom is that in te repos?`
`00:48.36`	`olebrom`	`yeah, I will check which.`
`00:48.41`	`zeltak`	`kk thx`
`00:49.07`	`zeltak`	`found it thx`
`00:49.13`	`zeltak`	`apt cache is cool :)`
`00:49.50`	`olebrom`	`Here it is at maemo.org: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpsjinni/`
`00:50.47`	`zeltak`	`olebrom: thx man`
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`00:55.19`	`olebrom`	`Repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free`
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`00:57.26`	`zeltak`	`thx`
`00:57.46`	`zeltak`	`off to tst the gps on the way to dinner..report back later ;-)`
`00:57.48`	`zeltak`	`thx guys`
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`00:59.39`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`zeltak: olebrom: location-test-gui is muuuuuuch better. See backsroll for .deb`
`00:59.47`	`olebrom`	`I will say the GPS on N900 is okay, but Ovi Map for Maemo is not by far the same as on Symbian... :-(`
`01:00.07`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`known issue`
`01:01.03`	`asj`	`I don't understand why they don't do turn/turn on the n900, I guess it's the lack of drm`
`01:01.25`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`ovi sucks big time`
`01:01.51`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`nope lack of foresight`
`01:01.59`	`asj`	`DocScrutinizer: I don't buy that`
`01:02.31`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`doing for maemo would mean they are done for future meego highend`
`01:02.54`	`asj`	`hmm?`
`01:03.09`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`but they don't get that fact`
`01:03.27`	`lcukn900`	`asj n810 had closed turn by turn on it`
`01:03.32`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`so leave maemo behind as for thwm it's 'EOL'`
`01:03.52`	`asj`	`lcukn900: hmm`
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`01:07.50`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`so we have to wait for first meego flagship device, then ovi maps implemented for meego, then backport to maemo evemtually - morons`
`01:08.49`	`Macer`	`hahaha`
`01:08.58`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`sales mgmt`
`01:09.00`	`Macer`	`didnt see that coming? :)`
`01:09.44`	`Macer`	`maemo will be sitting there with no updates waiting on people to backport apps`
`01:10.12`	`Macer`	`what is the meego flagship device supposed to be? the aava?`
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`01:10.51`	`Macer`	`the demo of the aava stuff looks awesome`
`01:11.01`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`no. honestly didn't think the sw engineers are not capable to tell mgmt 'let's do it NOW, so we got it rwady in time. And maemo/meego doesn't matter'`
`01:11.53`	`Macer`	`heh`
`01:12.51`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`port forward to meego is even simpler than backport to maemo`
`01:13.16`	`Macer`	`maybe`
`01:13.34`	`Macer`	`have to wait for a completely "finished" product to know for sure`
`01:13.34`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`plus they buy image of 'we care'`
`01:14.11`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`nope`
`01:14.19`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`it's evident now`
`01:15.00`	`Macer`	`hehe`
`01:15.20`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`develop under maemo/qt and you are set for porting to meego on push of a button`
`01:15.28`	`Macer`	`honestly. in the end... people will concentrate most of their efforts on meego dev`
`01:15.45`	`Macer`	`and let the maemo ppl who actually still care to handle backporting`
`01:16.00`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`doesn't matter - backport is as easy`
`01:16.32`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`it's qt`
`01:16.41`	`Macer`	`you would think. what if whatever you are backporting requires a new kernel module that you cant build for maemo for some reason?`
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`01:17.07`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`which one?`
`01:17.08`	`Macer`	`not everyrhing is qt :)`
`01:17.13`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`lasers?`
`01:17.13`	`Macer`	`i dont know`
`01:17.19`	`Macer`	`yah haha`
`01:17.24`	`Macer`	`lasers!`
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`01:18.24`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`that's honestly BS. meego kernel is no way better than maemo`
`01:18.37`	`Macer`	`i didnt say it was begtter or worse`
`01:19.06`	`Macer`	`i just meant there could be some unforeseen issue in backporting/foreporting`
`01:19.25`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`couldcouldcould`
`01:19.32`	`Macer`	`exactly ;)`
`01:19.54`	`Macer`	`nobody truly knows for sure until people start building for both`
`01:20.03`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`if there is then better learn early - then fix, in meego`
`01:22.06`	`asj`	`If meego includes the security model proposed for maemo6, good luck trying to backport it, even if runs it won't auth and will fail`
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`01:23.23`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`if DRM hits kernel, I'll fill the package with my 2 N900 and 5kg of C4, then send to Nokia`
`01:23.51`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, there's going to be DRM in Meego....`
`01:24.06`	`asj`	`DocScrutinizer: it'll be way deeper than the kernel`
`01:24.18`	`DocScrutinizer51`	`I'm talking about signed kernels`
`01:25.03`	`nox-`	`teevoization'?
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`01:27.12`	`harry`	`[W2I=000:u:0:000:]`
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`01:27.34`	`harrysss`	`[W2I=000:u:0:000:]`
`01:27.40`	`EdLin`	`the ROM image in many Android phones has encryption, my cliq XT apparently has this - if I'd known there'd be no ROMs (and no root yet, tho that's probably coming) I would have gotten something else. (I have a n810 and am thinking "n900" now)`
`01:28.01`	`EdLin`	`that's tivoization....`
`01:28.45`	`DocScrutinizer`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing#`
`01:28.54`	`EdLin`	`take a look at the Droid X for an example of tivoization.`
`01:29.16`	`harry_holland`	`hi all`
`01:29.20`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yep`
`01:29.22`	`EdLin`	`hi`
`01:29.30`	`nox-`	`moin harry_holland`
`01:30.28`	`DocScrutinizer`	`for now only NOLO is signed, for all we hear from those who should know`
`01:31.07`	`EdLin`	`what's NOLO?`
`01:31.10`	`DocScrutinizer`	`but a signed NOLO is first step. They can replace it with a bootloader refusing to load a not correctly signed kernel any time`
`01:31.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`NOkia bootLOader`
`01:31.58`	`EdLin`	`why does the boot loader need to be signed, according to Nokia?`
`01:32.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`you can not replace NOLO on N900, because you don't have the right key to sign your new bootloader`
`01:32.43`	`DocScrutinizer`	`it's a property of OMAP, allegedly`
`01:32.45`	`EdLin`	`this doesn't cause any problems for dual-booting android, right?`
`01:33.20`	`EdLin`	`OMAP has all sorts of DRM stuff, including the ability to corrupt hardware if it doesn't like what you're doing.`
`01:33.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`if android can be booted by NOLO then for sure not. But NOLO can NOT dual boot`
`01:33.59`	`EdLin`	`can it chain-load a dual-boot system?`
`01:34.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`so you can - for NOW - boot to maemo, then from there kexec to andridiot`
`01:35.09`	`EdLin`	`lol`
`01:35.14`	`EdLin`	`andridiot.`
`01:35.56`	`SpeedEvil`	`Where 'boot to maemo' can mean just the kernel`
`01:36.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`and an init script`
`01:36.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`if Nokia decides to swap NOLO for something more restrictive, then you'll find yourself with a N900 which is running Nokia kernel only, and that kernel does not have or support kexec`
`01:36.37`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, if Nokia decided to lock-down the N900, the community would be up in arms.`
`01:37.09`	`DocScrutinizer`	`for sure. I announced my actions a few lines up`
`01:37.29`	`EdLin`	`the Meego devices may not be as open, I don't know, but is Nokia really going to put the genie back in the bottle for N900?`
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`01:38.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`when I asked about that topic on #meego-meeting conference, they were rather closed up high`
`01:38.44`	`EdLin`	`all the N900 has is community users, there's less than 100,000 sales.`
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`01:39.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`"that's not meego domain. Depends on manuf's policy" fsck!!`
`01:39.04`	`EdLin`	`the carriers don't sell it, it's an unlocked device only.`
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`01:39.54`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, Meego might be a different story than N900, it's much bigger than Nokia/Intel - already non-Nokia/Intel devices have been released.`
`01:40.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`EdLin: seems wrong. I heard of 500k in first <whatever period>`
`01:40.18`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, Reuters ran a story saying less than 100k.`
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`01:41.00`	`EdLin`	`500k is impossible, the most popular Android devices don't have over 1 million and something.`
`01:41.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`c'mon, there's 30k on tmo`
`01:41.40`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, I didn't say a lot less than 100k, 30k on tmo is most of the american sales right there.`
`01:41.43`	`DocScrutinizer`	`you can'r convince me about >1/3 of N900 owners are on tmo`
`01:42.00`	`EdLin`	`why? It's the only US carrier with 3g for the device.`
`01:42.16`	`DocScrutinizer`	`talk.maemo.org`
`01:42.46`	`DocScrutinizer`	`not T-Mo`
`01:43.28`	`DocScrutinizer`	`and btw you bet max 10% of N900 went to USA`
`01:43.34`	`EdLin`	`http://www.maemocommunity.com/798/nokia-n900-sales-below-100000-since-the-release/`
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`01:45.00`	`EdLin`	`I don't know if I should trust your stats, but the 500k figure you give is literally impossible, because the Droid X, the biggest selling android device, sold less than 2 million.`
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`01:45.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`seem t have heard different numbers`
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`01:46.57`	`asj`	`EdLin: I think you might under estimate the sales of nokia devices, even the n900`
`01:47.02`	`DocScrutinizer`	`well, I think I'm pretty sure about the ~30k on talk.maemo.org. And I know from experience how many percentage of users actually engage in such a activity`
`01:47.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`for sure NOT one out of three`
`01:47.32`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, you're apparently right that I should question the figures Reuters reported, they're from Gartner.`
`01:47.35`	`EdLin`	`http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-has-sold-well-in-excess-of-100000-handsets-gartner-figures-seriously-wrong-claims-source-2887458/`
`01:47.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`well, there's also N810 owners`
`01:47.55`	`EdLin`	`I'm an N810 owner. :)`
`01:48.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I think they are <20% on tmo`
`01:48.36`	`DocScrutinizer`	`the ones that have N8x0 but no N900`
`01:48.42`	`EdLin`	`in the US, over 50% are on tmo. Certainly, unless you like EDGE and higher prices.`
`01:48.58`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tmo IS NOT T-Mo`
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`01:49.18`	`asj`	`EdLin: the Reusters report was very odd. It wasn't meant to be a high volume device, nin the US it didn't even have carrier subsidy`
`01:49.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tmo == talk.maemo.org`
`01:49.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`T-Mo is T-Mobile`
`01:49.36`	`Ljrn900`	`O.o`
`01:49.39`	`SpeedEvil`	`It was 'never' going to sell well in the US, for that reason`
`01:49.42`	`EdLin`	`oops`
`01:50.05`	`EdLin`	`you can get an n900 on Amazon for $399 now. :)`
`01:50.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`new?`
`01:50.15`	`EdLin`	`yes`
`01:50.17`	`Ljrn900`	`T-Mo US doesn't even know it exists`
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`01:50.26`	`EdLin`	`It's in my budget, I think I'm getting it....`
`01:50.46`	`EdLin`	`I'm tired of using a locked-down Android cliq xt that is stuck at Android 1.5`
`01:51.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`You can even run dosbox, and edlin in it.`
`01:51.15`	`EdLin`	`Ljrn900, T-Mo US knows it exists more than AT&T does. ;-)`
`01:51.50`	`DocScrutinizer`	`thought edlin is a genuine unix posix command`
`01:52.13`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, I've been using this nic since 1990 on DOS BBSs.`
`01:52.23`	`EdLin`	`nick*`
`01:52.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ok, edlin is not`
`01:52.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ed is`
`01:52.44`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, it's a MS-DOS command, not POSIX.`
`01:53.07`	`EdLin`	`ed is a lot better than edlin, it has regular expressions!`
`01:53.09`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sed etc and siblings of course`
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`01:53.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yep`
`01:53.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sorry doing that shit tooooo long`
`01:53.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`mixing things from 1980, prolly Alzheimer`
`01:54.54`	`DocScrutinizer`	`anyway jacekowski, find a way to flash a non-signed bootloader, pretty please!`
`01:55.08`	`EdLin`	`does the N810 have any internet radio apps, or do you just have the browser for that?`
`01:55.15`	`EdLin`	`oops, n900`
`01:55.24`	`DocScrutinizer`	`n900, sure`
`01:55.31`	`EdLin`	`cool`
`01:55.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`go HAM, search 'radio'`
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`01:56.04`	`ShadowJK`	`just uses the media player`
`01:56.41`	`DocScrutinizer`	`even that`
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`01:58.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`"Musik" "Video" "Internetradio" "Zufallswiedergabe" (=random play over all categoties, how mad is THAT?)`
`01:59.08`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, is there a twitter widget for Maemo 5?`
`01:59.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`wonders if it will skip from internet radio to a 2h movie on end of a sonf, or on end of mediastream`
`01:59.56`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I bet there is, but please check the appropriate website`
`02:00.42`	`DocScrutinizer`	`http://maemo.org/packages/`
`02:01.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ even`
`02:01.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`and that's not yet a comprehensive list`
`02:02.47`	`DangerMaus`	`lol`
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`02:12.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`for anybody interested and too lazy to do the math: that's 83 pages of 50 pkgs each, plus rubbish`
`02:14.00`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, I didn't see a twitter widget, only some twitter libraries for a chat client and a media player. :(`
`02:16.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`don't ask mee, I'm absolutely twitter averse`
`02:17.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`but maybe you found a opportunity for a groundbreaking new app?`
`02:18.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`probably if there is none, and you ask for it in meamo.org/brainstorms then it takes 2 days for something to hit the repositories`
`02:18.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or you simply write it yourself`
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`02:20.23`	`SpeedEvil`	`uploads hawt gifs.`
`02:20.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS#Accuracy`
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`02:22.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`in my next holiday`
`02:23.06`	`DangerMaus`	`bah i just hqave an external bt gps antenna`
`02:24.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`there's no such thing`
`02:24.48`	`GAN900`	`Anybody remember that blog post from somewhere on the internet from a few years ago about that (Russian?) scientist who was experimenting with all sorts of incredibly dangerous stuff ( RST38h?)?`
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`02:26.18`	`DangerMaus`	`?`
`02:27.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`DangerMaus: maybe you got an external GPS receiver, incl chipset and all. You can't tehter an antenna via BT`
`02:28.15`	`DangerMaus`	`yeah`
`02:28.20`	`DangerMaus`	`reciever`
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`02:42.29`	`SirSpam`	`Hello, I just downloaded and installed the Maemo Desktop SDK virtual machine for VirtualBox. Currently, the ubuntu vm can connect to the internet, but it appears that the maemo emulator can not. Did I miss something?`
`02:43.20`	`zeltak`	`ok back from dinner :) DocScrutinizer i can say that the wifi locked helped alot :)`
`02:43.48`	`zeltak`	`it got a lock in like 2 minutes and was pretty reliable after that..`
`02:44.14`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-)`
`02:44.26`	`zeltak`	`on the way back without the wifi lock it took forever to get a lock and wasnt so reliable but its an improvment from before :)`
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`02:45.26`	`zeltak`	`enyone use conky not as an "app" but on one of the desktops? is that possible at all?`
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`02:46.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`in such situation it seems to help if you got a GSM registration so location lib can get the country, maybe even BTS tower. No real need for data connection, but the lib gets confused when no clue on which continent`
`02:46.35`	`zeltak`	`i see`
`02:48.35`	`EdLin`	`SirSpam, is /etc/resolv.conf ok in both ubuntu and the sandbox?`
`02:50.47`	`SirSpam`	`EdLin: How would I know if it's correct? Sorry, Linux is not my main O/S. I just got this virtual machine image from the website.`
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`02:52.07`	`SirSpam`	`it appears to be correct. The nameserver has the correct ip for my router`
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`02:56.50`	`EdLin`	`SirSpam, it's identical for both the sandbox and the main system?`
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`03:03.31`	`SirSpam`	`EdLin: I'm running Windows 7 as my host system. Then VirtualBox is hosting the Maemo SDK, then the Maemo SDK is hosting the ESbox for the actual maemo install..`
`03:03.54`	`SirSpam`	`So I can't compare the files, but the ip addresses are correct`
`03:05.57`	`SirSpam`	`the Maemo SDK (Ubuntu Image) can browse the internet. It's just the ESbox thing can't.`
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`03:08.16`	`luke-jr`	`is it possible to reset trackerd?`
`03:08.30`	`luke-jr`	`mine must be corrupt or something, since it never finishes and never knows about my media`
`03:09.11`	`luke-jr`	`DocScrutinizer: no such thing? I have an external Bluetooth charger, why wouldn't the same principles apply to antenna?`
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`03:16.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`yes`
`03:16.20`	`SpeedEvil`	`rm -rf /`
`03:16.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`err`
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`03:23.11`	`luke-jr`	`on the other hand, why the heck does trackerd only run when I'm using itâ?`
`03:25.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`read the config file`
`03:25.07`	`SpeedEvil`	`I've managed to tame it for me.`
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`03:36.51`	`DocScrutinizer`	`could we file a bug ticket against that braindamaged concept?`
`03:39.46`	`asj`	`DocScrutinizer: if we filed a big against every brain damaged concept we would never get any work done`
`03:41.11`	`mortini`	`haha`
`03:41.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`let's figure it, you take three snapshots of your child biking, then want to show it to Mom, and have to pick them out between all the pr0n showing up in the unified pictures view`
`03:41.44`	`GAN900`	`An attitude that's clearly led to an efficient, stable and pleasant-to-use platform. . . .`
`03:43.35`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that's so incredibly daft, there's no words for that`
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`03:44.02`	`DocScrutinizer`	`what for we actually got a hirachical filesystem?`
`03:45.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`we could as well use flat filesystem without any folders, like we got on cpm`
`03:46.19`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, CP/M 2.x had "user", a way to hide files and show them.`
`03:46.29`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yep, 16 afaik`
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`03:46.37`	`DocScrutinizer`	`all media goes to user 9`
`03:47.42`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, you're making my brain hurt, I haven't read a CP/M manual in over 20 years.`
`03:48.39`	`EdLin`	`most of the whippersnappers on the channel are younger than my CP/M manuals.`
`03:49.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`tracker concept & mediaplayer/photos viewer makes my brain hurt`
`03:50.04`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, does canola use that stuff?`
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`03:50.29`	`DocScrutinizer`	`nope but it has other massive bugs afaik`
`03:51.04`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, when I used my n810 half the time as a glorified iPod, I prefered canola to the default media player.`
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`03:54.35`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, I don't know what the situation's like on the n900, has the default media player gotten better, or maybe canola got worse? ;-)`
`03:55.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`canola for example has no hw acceleration`
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`03:55.41`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, the n810 has no hw acceleration for anything. ;-)`
`03:55.54`	`CasTTeLLo`	`hello`
`03:55.54`	`dunz0r`	`is quite satisified with the default player in his N900`
`03:56.16`	`EdLin`	`it's a case then of "canola got worse".`
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`03:56.31`	`EdLin`	`or the n900 got better, rather.`
`03:56.42`	`CasTTeLLo`	`hi guys`
`03:56.47`	`EdLin`	`hello`
`03:56.50`	`dunz0r`	`Hi CasTTeLLo`
`03:57.01`	`CasTTeLLo`	`hi dunz0r`
`03:57.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`also iirc I found the concept in canola on N900 not exactly superior to the braindead tracker idiocy in mediaplayer. At least was so bad I forgot about details`
`03:57.31`	`CasTTeLLo`	`so wat is the topic of the day??`
`03:57.32`	`CasTTeLLo`	`heeee`
`03:57.45`	`CasTTeLLo`	`:)`
`03:57.54`	`EdLin`	`CasTTeLLo, tracker idiocy in the default media player and CP/M.`
`03:58.20`	`CasTTeLLo`	`thanks EdLin`
`03:58.23`	`CasTTeLLo`	`gtg`
`03:58.25`	`EdLin`	`any time`
`03:58.30`	`CasTTeLLo`	`brb`
`03:58.47`	`DocScrutinizer`	`CP/M beats tracker - runs circles around it`
`03:58.53`	`CasTTeLLo`	`N900 rock!`
`03:58.56`	`EdLin`	`I see the topic excites you so much that you're staying around for more.`
`03:59.00`	`CasTTeLLo`	`adios`
`03:59.47`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, yeah, CP/M can really play those MP3s good too.`
`04:00.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`no reason why not`
`04:00.15`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, those Z-80s have terrific math crunching.`
`04:00.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`lol`
`04:01.00`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I bet a OPAM @ 600MHz can emulate a 250MHz Z80`
`04:01.04`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, not to mention H264 acceleration, and maybe even some Vorbis acceleration, my memory fails me.`
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`04:01.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`s/OPAM/OMAP`
`04:01.51`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, I bet it'd beat a typical Z-80 system of the day, in emulation, without a problem.`
`04:02.13`	`EdLin`	`what did the Z80s stop at, 12Mhz?`
`04:02.27`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yep something like that`
`04:02.28`	`EdLin`	`and even then, they had awful clock cycle efficiency.`
`04:02.52`	`EdLin`	`like anything intel or intel-based before the 80286.`
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`04:03.09`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yeah, 16 cycles for a MUL`
`04:03.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or 32`
`04:03.18`	`EdLin`	`Z-80 had MUL?`
`04:03.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sure, 16bit MUL`
`04:03.37`	`EdLin`	`hah.`
`04:03.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`no?`
`04:04.08`	`EdLin`	`of course, a 6502 could do some multiplication faster than an 8088 which had a hardware MUL instruction, because it was so bad at it.`
`04:04.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I just remeber CD was call subroutine and C9 was rreturn. Even that might be wrong`
`04:04.38`	`EdLin`	`you're right about CD.`
`04:04.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`0xCD and 0xC9`
`04:04.48`	`EdLin`	`I remember 6502 a bit better than Z-80.`
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`04:05.42`	`EdLin`	`6502 had a good RISC instruction set, as much as one could talk about an 8 bit being RISC.`
`04:05.59`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hehe`
`04:06.18`	`EdLin`	`it also had more addressing modes than the 8080.`
`04:06.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yep`
`04:07.02`	`EdLin`	`I still don't know if I can keep straight indexed indirect and indirect indexed. ;-)`
`04:07.34`	`DocScrutinizer`	`but then Z-80 had 2 register banks. Invaluable for ultrafast IRQ service routines`
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`04:07.59`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, what's an IRQ? Something that's better than memory mapped soft switches?`
`04:08.40`	`EdLin`	`;-)`
`04:09.38`	`EdLin`	`the Z-80 was a great controller chip, but a mediocre CPU. The 8088 and it's offspring have been just more and more roccoco on the 8080 foundation.`
`04:09.53`	`DocScrutinizer`	`IRQ is a electrically triggered indexed jump to an address that's defined in a table at pos <index> which table start addr offset is in IRQ pointer register`
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`04:10.24`	`DocScrutinizer`	`iirc`
`04:10.29`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, you sound like an intel manual.`
`04:10.55`	`EdLin`	`or wikipedia`
`04:12.11`	`EdLin`	`memory mapped hardware addressing seemed to me to be more elegant, regardless of the value of doing it another way in the embedded sphere at the time.`
`04:12.21`	`DocScrutinizer`	`I forgot to add: ... out of arbitrary program text, while current content of PC is pushed on stack before addr from IRQ table is stored to PC`
`04:12.38`	`EdLin`	`DocScrutinizer, you're a stack.`
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`04:21.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`or was it like that: the IRQ controller chip supplied an 8 bit IRQ subroutine addr to databus during assertion of IRQ line?`
`04:22.37`	`DocScrutinizer`	`shrugs`
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`04:23.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`prolly no Z-80 out ther anymore nowadays`
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`14:19.07`	`*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/`
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`14:24.03`	`Dieterbe`	`i notice when i upload pictures to FB using the built-in image sharing service on the n900, the image is rotated in the wrong way. it looks as if FB strips the exif tags (they are gone when i view the image in the browser), but does not apply the rotation. is this a problem with FB or is the maemo uploader supposed to rotate the images before submitting?`
`14:24.09`	`DocScrutinizer`	`which - on a sidenote - has been exactly what I asked some 20..40h ago: how to find process from sender?`
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`14:25.16`	`SpeedEvil`	`DocScrutinizer: It's quite annoying.`
`14:25.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yes`
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`14:25.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: system or session?`
`14:25.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`DocScrutinizer: _everything_ wakes up to listen to this message and work out 'it's not for me'`
`14:25.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`not that I could tell anything from it`
`14:26.19`	`rlinfati`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:27.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`I get a different message once a second on system and session`
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`14:28.10`	`Dieterbe`	`hmm. got a bug for my issue https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9511`
`14:28.11`	`povbot`	`Bug 9511: Images taken with N900, after rotated, can't be uploaded in the correct orientation using Facebook sharing service`
`14:28.30`	`chem\|st`	`oh as I hear mixer... how do I set the earpiece volume control to use a higher maximum?`
`14:29.54`	`chem\|st`	`Dieterbe: seems like fb uploads everything in landscape even if rotated from the camera while captured`
`14:30.13`	`chem\|st`	`think that is an exif problem of FB`
`14:30.20`	`zeltak`	`morning guys :) are there alternatives to the default terminal?`
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`14:30.40`	`chem\|st`	`zeltak: you mean something else than busybox?`
`14:30.55`	`chem\|st`	`or the shell?`
`14:31.42`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: lsfsor`
`14:31.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`DocScrutinizer: ?`
`14:32.02`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: ...should know how to get process from sender`
`14:32.18`	`DocScrutinizer`	`FSO`
`14:32.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`not found`
`14:32.25`	`SpeedEvil`	`ah`
`14:32.33`	`DocScrutinizer`	`it's python iirc`
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`14:35.37`	`n900-space`	`hi guys`
`14:35.40`	`n900-space`	`quick question`
`14:35.46`	`SpeedEvil`	`43`
`14:35.57`	`DocScrutinizer`	`42`
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`14:36.13`	`n900-space`	`need to completely wash anything on n900, and flash it with pr1.2.`
`14:36.32`	`DocScrutinizer`	`use mild detergent`
`14:36.36`	`ToJa92`	`[n900-space]: Well to wash it put it in a washing machine ;)`
`14:36.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`Take the battery out first though.`
`14:36.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`And put it on boil wash.`
`14:37.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`Remember to use colour-safe powder, or you risk fading the screen.`
`14:37.16`	`SpeedEvil`	`I forgot, and now everything is pastel.`
`14:38.09`	`zeltak`	`chem\|st: i meant the actuall terminal :) was wondering if there were alternatives`
`14:39.48`	`jacekowski`	`wash it and flash it`
`14:40.08`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: pid = dbusi.GetConnectionUnixProcessID(s)`
`14:40.19`	`SpeedEvil`	`sigh`
`14:40.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`google for lsfsor`
`14:40.25`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
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`14:41.40`	`n900-space_`	`hi again`
`14:41.42`	`n900-space_`	`got dc`
`14:41.44`	`n900-space_`	`as i was saying`
`14:41.50`	`n900-space_`	`wash everything from n900 :)`
`14:41.56`	`SpeedEvil`	`why?`
`14:41.56`	`markinfo`	`I have installed opera browser. But all link from Emails are still through original Browser opened. How to change it?`
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`14:42.21`	`n900-space_`	`becuz there are lots of things not working on my n900 since i installed pr1.2`
`14:42.24`	`zeltak`	`also i stuipdly transferd my .bashrc from my nix machine over to /home/usr and overan the default one...sice then i cant get my aliases to work (using bash of course) do you guy use aliases without a problem?`
`14:42.28`	`jacekowski`	`n900-space_: use colour safe bleach`
`14:42.32`	`n900-space_`	`for example, the photos are not listed in the photos`
`14:42.42`	`n900-space_`	`plus songs and videos are not listed`
`14:42.50`	`jacekowski`	`flash it`
`14:43.01`	`n900-space_`	`the "browserd" starts running randomly takes all the processing and drains battery`
`14:43.04`	`jacekowski`	`fiasco + emmc flash`
`14:43.13`	`n900-space_`	`i have to 'kill' it from console`
`14:43.15`	`n900-space_`	`etc`
`14:43.15`	`jacekowski`	`browserd is supposed to run all the time`
`14:43.26`	`n900-space_`	`i want to complete remove/format everything`
`14:43.30`	`n900-space_`	`start from scratch`
`14:43.31`	`jacekowski`	`~flashing`
`14:43.39`	`infobot`	`i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware`
`14:43.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sighs... no infobot`
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`14:43.45`	`DocScrutinizer`	`duh`
`14:43.49`	`n900-space_`	`yea it is supposed to but its not supposed to take 99% of the processing when no browser window is open`
`14:44.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`~status`
`14:44.50`	`infobot`	`Since Fri Jul 30 13:05:31 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 1h 39m 19s this session, and currently reference 117188 factoids. I'm using about 15728 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 23.12/2.15 child 0/0.01`
`14:46.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`\o/`
`14:46.08`	`kerio`	`browserd also does maps and conversations`
`14:46.10`	`kerio`	`so yeah`
`14:46.11`	`DocScrutinizer`	`~botsnack`
`14:46.11`	`infobot`	`thanks, DocScrutinizer`
`14:46.22`	`kerio`	`~docsnack`
`14:46.38`	`jacekowski`	`~slap DocScrutinizer`
`14:46.39`	`infobot`	`ACTION slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
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`14:48.00`	`n900-space_`	`jacekowski: its says if i have a production unit, i shud not format emmc, and contact nokia`
`14:48.08`	`n900-space_`	`what do you suggest jacekowski`
`14:48.17`	`jacekowski`	`format != flash`
`14:48.59`	`chem\|st`	`zeltak: nope afaik`
`14:49.17`	`n900-space_`	`sorry i meant flash jacekowski , used the wrong word`
`14:49.29`	`n900-space_`	`jacekowski: check: "Flasing the eMMC resets the MyDocs folder contents to factory settings. N900 users don't need to reflash the eMMC of their device. If you are reading this it's probably because you got a pre-production device e.g. in the Maemo Summit. If you have a sales unit and you have problems with your eMMC you should contact Nokia Care."`
`14:49.58`	`jacekowski`	`n900-space_: just flash it`
`14:50.00`	`zeltak`	`thx chem\|st`
`14:50.11`	`jacekowski`	`n900-space_: if you want to wipe it completly`
`14:50.26`	`n900-space_`	`yes wipe it completely`
`14:50.29`	`jacekowski`	`n900-space_: emmc and fiasco at the sime time`
`14:50.34`	`jacekowski`	`n900-space_: don't reboot in between`
`14:50.34`	`n900-space_`	`flash with the fiascogen`
`14:50.35`	`kerio`	`without rebooting`
`14:50.36`	`n900-space_`	`ok`
`14:50.42`	`jacekowski`	`no`
`14:50.44`	`n900-space_`	`yea , as the wiki says`
`14:50.45`	`jacekowski`	`without fiascogen`
`14:50.57`	`jacekowski`	`just with normal maemo flasher from tablet-dev website`
`14:51.04`	`jacekowski`	`with latest fiasco and emmc images`
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`14:52.19`	`DocScrutinizer`	`infobot_: botsnack`
`14:52.23`	`DocScrutinizer`	`:-P`
`14:52.48`	`n900-space_`	`hmm`
`14:52.58`	`DocScrutinizer`	`infobot: botsnack`
`14:52.58`	`infobot`	`DocScrutinizer: thanks`
`14:52.58`	`kerio`	`!botsnack`
`14:53.03`	`kerio`	`:(`
`14:53.37`	`DocScrutinizer`	`apt: botsnack`
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`14:54.10`	`crashanddie`	`~botsnack`
`14:54.10`	`infobot`	`thanks, crashanddie`
`14:54.14`	`kerio`	`DocScrutinizer: botsnack`
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`14:56.05`	`pigeon`	`does anyone know the name of the foursquare n900 client which is not BarrioSquare?`
`15:00.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`cotchin?`
`15:00.43`	`DocScrutinizer`	`http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=foursquare+n900+-barriosquare&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=`
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`15:01.53`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sorry, no idea at all what foursquare really is`
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`15:02.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`just testing a theory that your question can be translated 1:1 to a google query`
`15:02.56`	`pigeon`	`hehe`
`15:03.03`	`pigeon`	`i forgot about the - syntax`
`15:03.04`	`pigeon`	`thanks`
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`15:18.56`	`Dieterbe`	`chem\|st: yeah i think FB just plainly ignores the exif tags`
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`15:22.02`	`smhar`	`how to copy text or link to clipboard in Firefox in N900?`
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`15:24.16`	`frals`	`uhm whats the version string of pr1.2?`
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`15:25.51`	`ToJa92`	`[frals]: I'd check it for you but for some reason the about dialog shows <unknown> version.`
`15:27.51`	`GAN900`	`10.2010.19-frals_sucks`
`15:28.45`	`frals`	`thanks`
`15:28.47`	`frals`	`:)`
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`15:31.43`	`Stskeeps`	`frals: i'm not retarded but he deserves a second chance.. some people only understand violence`
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`15:31.57`	`frals`	`yeah, i just noticed the ip myself :p`
`15:32.09`	`frals`	`goes back to fiddling`
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`15:34.37`	`Stskeeps`	`frals: and mind-numbing conversation / smalltalk is horrible to trolls who think they're hiding`
`15:34.49`	`frals`	`^^`
`15:35.08`	`GAN900`	`Ha`
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`15:35.53`	`Stskeeps`	`i mean, we tamed luke-jr eventually :p`
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`15:40.09`	`smhar`	`I want to download Nokia Qt SDK for debian, but is it really 557mb download?!`
`15:40.26`	`Stskeeps`	`how big is visual studio again?`
`15:40.37`	`mortini`	`4mb`
`15:40.53`	`achipa`	`smhar: if you don't need all components, go for the online version, it will download only what you select`
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`15:42.05`	`joga`	`hmm... what's this now... I received an sms with a timestamp of 18:17, and then replied immediately, but my response is timestamped 18:08`
`15:42.36`	`frals`	`phone time vs smsc time`
`15:43.05`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hmm, let's see if in ~30 min infobot reclaims her primary nick`
`15:43.06`	`joga`	`could smsc be so off?`
`15:44.09`	`kerio`	`~botsnack`
`15:44.09`	`infobot`	`thanks, kerio`
`15:44.35`	`slonopotamus`	`joga: incoming time is not your phone time.`
`15:45.15`	`joga`	`slonopotamus, ok. to me it would seem more reasonable to show the time the phone received it but I guess it wouldn't be good in all cases`
`15:45.29`	`kerio`	`it would make sense`
`15:45.30`	`kerio`	`that's why it's not done that way`
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`15:45.36`	`slonopotamus`	`joga: there is a bugreport about that`
`15:45.40`	`joga`	`ok`
`15:45.43`	`joga`	`I'm off to sauna now :)`
`15:45.56`	`slonopotamus`	`actually sometimes you want to know both send and receive times.`
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`15:49.19`	`toggles_w`	`user/FOO !`
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`15:51.30`	`jacekowski`	`Stskeeps: vs expres is about 150M`
`15:51.43`	`jacekowski`	`Stskeeps: full visual studio is about 300`
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`16:10.32`	`timeless`	`fwiw, mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12/ will be live sometime sunday`
`16:10.44`	`timeless`	`the sources copied over today, but the index is still moving`
`16:11.20`	`timeless`	`(it's currently available from http://mxr.moego.org/fremantle12/ if people are in a hurry)`
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`16:20.06`	`DrIDK`	`hello! WHERE do I need to copy my icon to use it for my hildon application? I m calling icon from my desktop file. But I do not know where to copy it`
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`16:23.43`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/`
`16:24.43`	`kerio`	`why do i sometimes get applications with no icon, especially the freshly installed ones?`
`16:24.53`	`kerio`	`is there a way to force a reload of the icons without rebooting?`
`16:25.03`	`kerio`	`~docsnack`
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`16:25.04`	`DrIDK`	`fragment: so it must be an svg icon ??`
`16:25.12`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: png`
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`16:25.33`	`fragment`	`kerio: dunno. originally there was some kind of icon cache but it was removed and the icons still act like there was a cache..`
`16:25.59`	`DrIDK`	`fragment: witch size ?`
`16:26.30`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: the desktop icon is 64x64. app manager icon is 48x48`
`16:26.50`	`DrIDK`	`fragment: but there is one folder...`
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`16:27.42`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: huh?:)`
`16:28.47`	`DrIDK`	`fragment: I have an icon 64x64. called : vlc-remote.png.. You said me to copy in : /scalable/hildon... Is it for desktop icon or app manager icon ?`
`16:28.57`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: desktop icon.`
`16:29.06`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: the app manager icon is put into the .deb control file`
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`16:30.41`	`fragment`	`DrIDK: but if you are not making an installer package, then you don't have to worry about the app manager icon`
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`16:31.01`	`DrIDK`	`fragment: I m making a package using qtcreator2`
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`16:31.47`	`DrIDK`	`fragment: so, I m going to wait the community help! Let's go to upload my first version`
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`16:56.55`	`*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/`
`16:57.12`	`DocScrutinizer`	`~ping`
`16:57.13`	`apt`	`~pong`
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`17:04.09`	`alterego`	`Hrm, maybe an SVG would be good for rendering my track log ..`
`17:04.18`	`alterego`	`Nice for saaving too ..`
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`17:05.53`	`johnsq`	`Hi`
`17:05.53`	`Arkenoi`	`what is recommended jabber conferences client for maemo?`
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`17:12.52`	`LuciusMare`	`Hello, I installed fmms, but it didn't work for me, so i removed it again, but the internet connection called "mms" still stays there, and it can't be removed - how to remove it.`
`17:12.55`	`LuciusMare`	`?`
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`17:14.57`	`tripzero`	`LuciusMare, if you ignore it, it's as good as gone ;)`
`17:15.15`	`tripzero`	`j/k, i'm really not sure how to remove it`
`17:15.19`	`LuciusMare`	`I ignore it, but my autoconnection doesn't :/`
`17:15.24`	`ShadowJK`	`can you delete it in internet connections?`
`17:15.43`	`tripzero`	`you can also make it not autoconnect in the same settings`
`17:15.50`	`LuciusMare`	`nope, it can't be removed this way, it's button is gray`
`17:16.30`	`TomaszD`	`Stskeeps, ordered a used 1920x1200 15,4 inch screen :)`
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`17:17.06`	`LuciusMare`	`tripzero: oh, can I? I can't find it`
`17:19.04`	`luke-jr`	`Stskeeps: but I was never a troll âº`
`17:19.59`	`luke-jr`	`Stskeeps: trolls don't have a point to make`
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`17:22.12`	`LuciusMare`	`Hm, maybe I could delete it manually... Does the connections app store it's configuration in a file somewhere?`
`17:22.27`	`Stskeeps`	`TomaszD: to plug into the joggler? ;p`
`17:22.38`	`TomaszD`	`nah`
`17:22.40`	`Stskeeps`	`luke-jr: ;p`
`17:22.48`	`TomaszD`	`replace my laptop screen`
`17:24.03`	`luke-jr`	`Stskeeps: also, I'm not exactly happy with the N810 situation any more now than I was then :P`
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`17:24.51`	`luke-jr`	`the only key changes to me recently IMO are 1) Nokia sent me a N900, and I can't whine about what I never paid for; 2) I see the N900 has significant value to others who might not want the same thing I do :p`
`17:25.04`	`luke-jr`	`point 2 is why I've actually been able to suggest it to people I know`
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`17:38.39`	`h4xordood`	`heya :)`
`17:39.14`	`h4xordood`	`from past 2 days i am trying repair corrupted 16gb micro sd`
`17:39.27`	`h4xordood`	`computer doesnt reads it`
`17:39.57`	`h4xordood`	`when i connect n900 with this card inserted it says its 30.6 mb`
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`17:40.01`	`h4xordood`	`o_O`
`17:40.18`	`h4xordood`	`try to format it says cannot format`
`17:40.30`	`h4xordood`	`should i through this card now ?`
`17:40.35`	`h4xordood`	`:(`
`17:41.30`	`LuciusMare`	`Does the connections app store it's configuration in a file somewhere?`
`17:42.27`	`LuciusMare`	`h4xordood: are you using linux or windows?`
`17:42.44`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood: fdisk it, trash the partition, create new one, format`
`17:42.45`	`h4xordood`	`i have both :)`
`17:43.05`	`h4xordood`	`computer doesnt read that card`
`17:43.14`	`h4xordood`	`only n900 can read it`
`17:43.23`	`h4xordood`	`but not read its contents`
`17:43.35`	`h4xordood`	`n900 shows me /dev/mmcblk1`
`17:43.40`	`h4xordood`	`only this device`
`17:43.54`	`h4xordood`	`so i can use sfdisk only`
`17:43.56`	`h4xordood`	`:(`
`17:44.14`	`LuciusMare`	`what does "dmesg\|tail" say after connecting it to your linux?`
`17:44.34`	`h4xordood`	`though this card is 16gb but its says its 30.6 mb`
`17:44.44`	`h4xordood`	`LuciusMare, okay wait i reboot to linux`
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`17:48.51`	`h4xordood`	`LuciusMare: dmesg \| tail`
`17:48.53`	`h4xordood`	`mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card`
`17:49.33`	`tbaars`	`just dmesg should work`
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`17:49.45`	`tbaars`	`or mount`
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`17:50.40`	`h4xordood`	`how ?`
`17:50.56`	`h4xordood`	`mount /dev/mmc /mnt`
`17:50.57`	`h4xordood`	`?`
`17:51.49`	`tbaars`	`fuser -k`
`17:52.01`	`tbaars`	`or umount -l`
`17:52.12`	`tbaars`	`after, the dmesg or mount`
`17:52.16`	`tbaars`	`ur choice`
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`17:53.46`	`LuciusMare`	`h4xordood: no messages regarding "/dev"ices?`
`17:54.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`hehe`
`17:54.36`	`DocScrutinizer_`	`hehehe`
`17:54.43`	`DocScrutinizer__`	`hehehehe`
`17:54.48`	`tbaars`	`Burps`
`17:54.58`	`Lucius`	`he`
`17:55.04`	`LuciusMare`	`hehe`
`17:55.16`	`Hehe`	`Hehe`
`17:55.16`	`h4xordood`	`mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card`
`17:55.18`	`LuciusMare`	`tbaars!`
`17:55.22`	`Hehe`	`What?!`
`17:55.34`	`h4xordood`	`how can i mount corrupted sd card`
`17:55.43`	`LuciusMare`	`h4xordood: with a hammer`
`17:55.50`	`h4xordood`	`ha :D`
`17:55.52`	`Me`	`stop!`
`17:55.55`	`DocScrutinizer`	`yeah, but did you ever get THAT: [2010-07-30 18:59:50] [Whois] DocScrutinizer_ ist ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot)`
`17:55.59`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood: what did I tell you?`
`17:56.00`	`Me`	`help the guy!`
`17:56.21`	`You`	`are an idiot.`
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`17:56.34`	`Guest75591`	`I'm not!`
`17:56.43`	`tbaars`	`why?`
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`17:57.03`	`crashanddie`	`please stop it`
`17:57.08`	`crashanddie`	`or you'll be banned`
`17:57.15`	`tbaars`	`OK, sorry`
`17:57.32`	`LuciusMare`	`that was so gentle`
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`17:57.59`	`LuciusMare`	`h4xordood: okay, I think that the card might be lost`
`17:58.11`	`LuciusMare`	`but again, no messages in dmesg regarding /dev?`
`17:58.16`	`h4xordood`	`so i should through away now ?`
`17:58.22`	`crashanddie`	`"throw"`
`17:58.29`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood: I told you what to do`
`17:58.36`	`h4xordood`	`mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SD032 30.6 MiB`
`17:58.38`	`h4xordood`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:58.39`	`h4xordood`	`mmc0: card d555 removed`
`17:58.47`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood: fdisk it, remove the partition, create a new one, format that new partition`
`17:58.48`	`h4xordood`	`mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card`
`17:58.57`	`tbaars`	`umount -l /dev/mmcblk0`
`17:59.05`	`h4xordood`	`crashanddie: but system is not recongnising`
`17:59.10`	`tbaars`	`mount /dev/mmcblk0`
`17:59.17`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood: sure it does`
`17:59.20`	`h4xordood`	`it doesnt show me device`
`17:59.29`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood: ls /dev/mmc*`
`17:59.40`	`h4xordood`	`mount: can't find /dev/mmcblk0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab`
`17:59.46`	`DocScrutinizer`	`h4xordood: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblkX bs=1M count=18000`
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`18:00.12`	`DocScrutinizer`	`h4xordood: this will completely erase the card`
`18:00.25`	`LuciusMare`	`:O`
`18:00.30`	`LuciusMare`	`erm`
`18:00.34`	`LuciusMare`	`It will not`
`18:00.38`	`DocScrutinizer`	`then try to fdisk patition and mkfs format it`
`18:00.51`	`LuciusMare`	`/dev/null gives afaik no usable output`
`18:00.55`	`h4xordood`	`okay i try from phone`
`18:00.56`	`LuciusMare`	`unlike /dev/zero`
`18:01.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sorry /dev/zero`
`18:01.22`	`JackBeSlow`	`Is there any work on skype video chat working on the n900?`
`18:01.40`	`h4xordood`	`because in phones terminal i see /dev/mmcblk1`
`18:01.41`	`frals`	`so hmm`
`18:01.50`	`LuciusMare`	`JackBeSlow: I have the button right now, but I haven't tried it yet`
`18:01.51`	`frals`	`is anything going to break horribly if i only flash the emmc?`
`18:01.52`	`JackBeSlow`	`Last I heard it didn't but I was hoping that would be resolved by now. Google searching brings up only old forum posts.`
`18:02.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`h4xordood: good`
`18:02.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`h4xordood: do it`
`18:02.45`	`DocScrutinizer`	`h4xordood: if you get IO errors prior to finishing writing to end of card, then card is broken`
`18:02.57`	`JackBeSlow`	`LuciusMare: Would you mind testing it? It's the main thing holding me back from blowing a pay check on an n900.`
`18:03.31`	`cehteh`	`http://singularityhub.com/2010/07/29/exclusive-i-used-blindtype-virtual-keyboard-of-the-future/ seen that? nice ..`
`18:03.49`	`LuciusMare`	`JackBeSlow: I am now on gprs, I highly doubt it would work`
`18:03.58`	`JackBeSlow`	`ah, bummer.`
`18:04.04`	`crashanddie`	`brb`
`18:04.05`	`JackBeSlow`	`Thanks anyway.`
`18:05.04`	`cehteh`	`patent pending .. not so nice`
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`18:06.28`	`ShadowJK`	`frals, yep.`
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`18:07.11`	`frals`	`doh`
`18:07.27`	`JackBeSlow`	`Well found an article that says it was added in PR 1.2 so as well as a youtube video of it working. So I am excited.`
`18:07.37`	`ShadowJK`	`frals, on first boot, stuff is moved from rootfs to emmc. If you wipe emmc, that stuff is no longer there`
`18:08.06`	`LuciusMare`	`JackBeSlow: well, I have 1.2, so I can confirm it is at least implemented`
`18:08.13`	`ShadowJK`	`It'll still start, but the lack of fonts and themes is the first thing you'll notice, and then it starts crashing :)`
`18:08.26`	`frals`	`bah`
`18:08.48`	`frals`	`oh well, noticed flasher still doesnt work on my win7 x64 machine so ill just flash it all at work on monday :P`
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`18:11.06`	`h4xordood_`	`i have 16 GB msd but it shows total capacity 30.6 mb`
`18:11.09`	`h4xordood_`	`:\`
`18:11.42`	`h4xordood_`	`i did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=18000`
`18:11.53`	`h4xordood_`	`but still it shows 30 mb`
`18:12.28`	`johnsq`	`time to get a new one`
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`18:18.02`	`h4xordood_`	`i bought this 2 days back :(`
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`18:18.16`	`crashand1ie_`	`then use warranty`
`18:18.18`	`crashand1ie_`	`numbnuts`
`18:18.31`	`Ljrn900`	`(insert rant about BME here)`
`18:18.31`	`h4xordood_`	`without waranty`
`18:18.39`	`crashand1ie_`	`of course you have warranty`
`18:18.57`	`Ljrn900`	`do I, I wonder?`
`18:19.39`	`Ljrn900`	`anyhow, back to my rant....`
`18:20.08`	`Ljrn900`	`apparently BME decided to stop charging my battery a few hours ago`
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`18:20.34`	`Ljrn900`	`so now it's like 20%`
`18:20.47`	`Ljrn900`	`:(`
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`18:21.06`	`ShadowJK`	`It only does a few retries on failing input source`
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`18:24.27`	`h4xordood_`	`okay i get some info`
`18:24.44`	`h4xordood_`	`connected n900 on linux it shows on /dev/sdc`
`18:25.01`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood_: then fdisk /dev/sdc`
`18:26.12`	`h4xordood_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:27.28`	`crashanddie`	`then write it`
`18:27.41`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood_: do a p first`
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`18:27.49`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood_: and see what kind of table you have`
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`18:28.21`	`JackBeSlow`	`Any word on whether Nokia will update the flash player? I'm not asking when, just if it's ever going to happen or if 9.4 is the end.`
`18:28.43`	`crashanddie`	`JackBeSlow: when we know about it, you'll know about it`
`18:28.49`	`JackBeSlow`	`ha, ok.`
`18:28.57`	`JackBeSlow`	`Just checking.`
`18:29.53`	`h4xordood_`	`Disk /dev/sdc: 32 MB, 32096256 bytes`
`18:29.55`	`h4xordood_`	`1 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders`
`18:29.56`	`h4xordood_`	`Units = cylinders of 62 * 512 = 31744 bytes`
`18:29.58`	`h4xordood_`	`Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes`
`18:29.59`	`h4xordood_`	`I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes`
`18:30.01`	`h4xordood_`	`Disk identifier: 0x415ffa70`
`18:30.08`	`crashanddie`	`h4xordood_: don't paste in here please`
`18:30.16`	`h4xordood_`	`if 16 gb then cyliner should be 1936`
`18:30.20`	`h4xordood_`	`crashanddie: sorry`
`18:30.27`	`h4xordood_`	`next time i wont`
`18:30.36`	`crashanddie`	`32MB`
`18:30.38`	`crashanddie`	`the partition is correct`
`18:30.51`	`crashanddie`	`are you just you didn't get conned?`
`18:30.53`	`h4xordood_`	`but its 16gb micro sd`
`18:30.53`	`crashanddie`	`Where did you buy it?`
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`18:39.02`	`h4xordood_`	`FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors`
`18:39.12`	`h4xordood_`	`now dmesg \| tail shows this`
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`18:41.24`	`Ljrn900`	`shadowjk it wasn't failing`
`18:46.31`	`DrIDK`	`I was following this tuto : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=457064&postcount=28 But I have always this error : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=457064&postcount=28`
`18:46.42`	`DrIDK`	`rgis error : Currently there is no top level Makefile`
`18:46.51`	`DrIDK`	`this error ( sorry) : "Currently there is no top level Makefile"`
`18:47.04`	`DocScrutinizer`	`Ljrn900: bme usually doesn't decide to "stop charging". It's more likely it decided to stop working at all`
`18:47.25`	`ShadowJK`	`he left :P`
`18:47.26`	`DocScrutinizer`	Ljrn900: try `root; stop bme; start bme`
`18:47.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`oops`
`18:47.39`	`DocScrutinizer`	`meh`
`18:47.44`	`DocScrutinizer`	`too`
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`18:59.46`	`DrIDK`	`is wondering why it's harder to packaging than developping....`
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`19:07.49`	`gyerot`	`I can't ping .local domain on my n900; avahi works, I can access my phone using n900.local address, anybody knows how to enable this on the phone?`
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`19:10.02`	`psycho_oreos`	`maybe dns issue`
`19:10.38`	`gyerot`	`I've added mdns4_minimal and mdns4 to /etc/nsswitch.conf, but nothing changed`
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`19:17.02`	`mgedmin`	`gyerot, do you have libnss-mdns installed?`
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`19:17.30`	`mgedmin`	`I don't think it even exists for maemo5`
`19:17.48`	`gyerot`	`no, it's not in the repos`
`19:18.49`	`gyerot`	`http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=236885 - I think this should solve this...`
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`19:19.53`	`DrIDK`	`and what does it mean : gpg: skipped secret key not available ?`
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`19:20.28`	`gyerot`	`and it works! mgedmin, thanks for pointing in the right direction :)`
`19:20.38`	`mgedmin`	`whoa, whoa, whoa!`
`19:20.44`	`mgedmin`	`tell me where you found libnss-mdns!`
`19:20.47`	`mgedmin`	`apt-cache policy`
`19:20.54`	`gyerot`	`http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=236885`
`19:20.59`	`gyerot`	`you can get it on this page`
`19:21.04`	`gyerot`	`it's from Debian Armel`
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`19:28.07`	`mgedmin`	`it's not in any repository?`
`19:28.08`	`mgedmin`	`damn :(`
`19:28.28`	`gyerot`	`I guess it's in Diablo... someone could put it in extras for fremantle`
`19:29.06`	`gyerot`	`it installed cleanly in my PR1.2 and works as intended`
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`19:30.53`	`mgedmin`	`bookmarks for latter investigation`
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`19:33.11`	`DrIDK`	`!! please help.....! :( :( ! https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/vlcremote_0.1-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt`
`19:35.10`	`steinex`	`i just added extras-testing and extras-devel to my sources and enabled apt-pinning so i don't upgrade to unstable versions`
`19:35.17`	`steinex`	`after weeeeeks`
`19:35.21`	`steinex`	`so much apps :D`
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`19:36.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`ssh root@phone`
`19:36.56`	`SpeedEvil`	`powertop`
`19:37.05`	`SpeedEvil`	`bugger`
`19:37.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`I should open my eyes more often.`
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`20:00.30`	`luke-jr`	`ShadowJK: nm, it was`
`20:01.02`	`luke-jr`	`I forgot I took it off charger then on this morning to see battery level -.-`
`20:01.11`	`luke-jr`	`anyhow, N900 survived over an hour with 0% :p`
`20:01.17`	`luke-jr`	`(Offline Mode + killall trackerd)`
`20:01.49`	`gyerot`	`anybody knows some nice folder icons for apmefo?`
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`20:09.52`	`*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/`
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`20:10.50`	`DocScrutinizer`	`~ping`
`20:10.51`	`infobot`	`~pong`
`20:10.57`	`DocScrutinizer`	`\o/`
`20:11.28`	`technomike`	`I am trying to unrar a rar file on my n900. I have installed both Xarchiver and File Roller, each to no success. They say unsupported archive. Any ideas? I have just gone to try 7zip which I am sure I seen the other day in the app manager but its not there now.`
`20:11.59`	`SpeedEvil`	`7zips are not rars`
`20:12.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`have you tried unrar?`
`20:12.18`	`technomike`	`7zip supports rars`
`20:12.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`a`
`20:12.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`I'd just install unrar, which works for me`
`20:12.56`	`technomike`	`Nope not yet. Good idea haha smacks head - The obvious option, I totally forgot to try! :-P`
`20:13.31`	`technomike`	`Ah so you have actually had luck unraring on your n900 with the unrar app?`
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`20:14.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`yes - it works fine - unrared several ebooks`
`20:14.50`	`technomike`	`brilliant`
`20:14.58`	`technomike`	`thanks alot :)`
`20:14.58`	`DrIDK`	`http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoppa8290 ( Left : this is me : vlcremotte ) Right ( another qt application..) All is same expect the last line`
`20:19.08`	`alterego`	`DrIDK: I don't think you've submitted a clean root`
`20:19.12`	`alterego`	`for your application`
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`20:31.59`	`nox-`	`moin`
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`20:34.54`	`DrIDK`	`alterego: can you show me a "control" file example from debian rep ?`
`20:35.27`	`alterego`	`The problem is your rules file not your control file.`
`20:37.10`	`nox-`	`which repo is it that has things like less, traceroute, script, p7zip(?), (un)zip?`
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`20:37.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`tools I think`
`20:38.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://maemo.org/packages/view/traceroute/`
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`20:42.22`	`E0x`	`http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/07/learning-by-doing-writing-your-own-traceroute-in-8-easy-steps/`
`20:43.28`	`nox-`	`thx SpeedEvil ill try`
`20:43.45`	`johnsq`	`iih python`
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`20:51.48`	`DocScrutinizer`	`another kind request for some 5 testers to please give http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ a review and thumb vote :-)`
`20:52.33`	`nox-`	`hm do you have a deb line for tools SpeedEvil?`
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`20:56.22`	`DocScrutinizer`	`barisione: could I be right that custom-ringtones breaks vibrator?`
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`20:57.52`	`jacekowski`	`have you seen latest topgear episode with cameron diaz?`
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`20:59.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`yes`
`20:59.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`jacekowski: yes`
`20:59.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`nox-: yes`
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`21:00.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://www.mauve.plus.com/ham - my repositories`
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`21:01.23`	`nox-`	`i have your last line and apt-get update complains about a 404 :(`
`21:01.46`	`DrIDK`	`so, good night..( french).... I m going to sleep! ( I hate packaging!!) So,Thank you for supporting`
`21:02.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`Sometimes repos are down`
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`21:03.21`	`nox-`	`ah ok`
`21:03.43`	`nox-`	`akamai troubles then?`
`21:10.21`	`tripzero`	`ok... releasing a 2.0 version of an IDE that depends on a library that's still in beta screams "we don't want you to actually, yanno, use this"`
`21:10.33`	`tripzero`	`:(`
`21:10.44`	`mortini`	`welcome to the new world order.`
`21:10.48`	`mortini`	`use gmail?`
`21:10.50`	`mortini`	`:D`
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`21:14.03`	`luke-jr`	`tripzero: so true`
`21:14.25`	`luke-jr`	`mortini: GMail has got to be the most popular crap software ever`
`21:14.51`	`tripzero`	`i mean... i want to use qtcreator 2.0, but I'd rather not screw over my desktop by installing qt 4.7...`
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`21:15.10`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: eeeew, 203`
`21:15.26`	`jacekowski`	`luke-jr: what is your problem with gmail?`
`21:15.38`	`luke-jr`	`jacekowski: you obviously haven't looked at the source`
`21:15.46`	`tripzero`	`has anyone?`
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`21:15.57`	`luke-jr`	`tripzero: you can derive some idea of it from the pages it serves you`
`21:15.59`	`jacekowski`	`have they published it?`
`21:16.07`	`jacekowski`	`or we are talking about different gmail`
`21:16.09`	`tripzero`	`can't imagine anything complex written in javascript to be "pretty"`
`21:16.19`	`luke-jr`	`specifically, GMail serves different HTML/JS for each browser it supports`
`21:16.25`	`luke-jr`	`on IE, it uses ActiveX`
`21:16.27`	`luke-jr`	`etc`
`21:16.31`	`jacekowski`	`gmail is using that gwt`
`21:16.38`	`jacekowski`	`so javascript is generated automaticaly`
`21:18.33`	`luke-jr`	`the point is it outputs browser-dependent "code"`
`21:18.37`	`luke-jr`	`which is broken by design`
`21:18.46`	`luke-jr`	`since it doesn't work in a generic undefined standards-compliant browser`
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`21:31.20`	`crashanddie`	`sure it does`
`21:31.32`	`crashanddie`	`they have a standard output, but "optimised" output for different browsers`
`21:31.39`	`crashanddie`	`any browser I know of can display the basic HTML interface`
`21:32.12`	`crashanddie`	`And that's rule #1 of intelligent web design. Don't ask people to change their browser, tell them there is a better way, but give them access nonetheless`
`21:32.33`	`ds3`	`thou shalt not use javascript`
`21:32.36`	`crashanddie`	`It's a whole lot better than all those fuckwads who decided to use flash as a means of browsing a website`
`21:32.37`	`ds3`	`or flash or ...`
`21:32.53`	`crashanddie`	`javascript is fine, and it's an open standard.`
`21:33.37`	`_llll_`	`i would tink a lot of phones struggle with javascript (luckily not maemo ones)`
`21:33.55`	`crashanddie`	`take a good toolkit such as jquery, on a good cdn (so that it's already cached in the browser), and full on -- hardly any website load, and you can get very nice effects for the browsers who can (and want to) display it, but also falls back gracefully if it doesn't`
`21:39.38`	`crashanddie`	`man, nobody giving me a good argument these days`
`21:39.58`	`crashanddie`	`nobody replying to my semi-trolling on the neopwn thread, and nobody challenging my views here in #maemo, WHAT'S UP PEOPLE???`
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`21:55.46`	`technomike`	`got xarchiver working. i know this sounds absolutly stupid but i did not realise you have to install unrar AND xarchiver`
`21:56.14`	`technomike`	`well xarchiver and unrar`
`21:56.36`	`technomike`	`for xarchiver to work with rars`
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`22:04.12`	`NeverMore`	`Can anyone help me with cross compiling a kernel?`
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`22:08.20`	`Osama`	`im trying to Build package in madde and i get thies error in pic`
`22:08.23`	`Osama`	`http://a.imageshack.us/img197/8884/34137641.jpg`
`22:09.06`	`Osama`	`any idea ?`
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`22:18.04`	`ds3`	`javascript is a bad idea...`
`22:18.17`	`ds3`	`javascript, flash, java, etc are a very brown technology and should be abolished`
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`22:38.51`	`NeverMore`	`"Module.symvers: No such file or directory" Any ideas? Anyone? Pretty please?`
`22:39.16`	`mudd`	`hey does anybody know how to uninstall NITdroid?`
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`22:39.44`	`mortini`	`luke-jr: you mean other than Windows?`
`22:39.49`	`NeverMore`	`Reflash?`
`22:42.13`	`crashanddie`	`GAN900: around?`
`22:43.35`	`crashanddie`	`ds3: you're the bad idea`
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`22:45.08`	`tripzero`	`NeverMore, do you have your kernel modules installed?`
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`22:45.51`	`NeverMore`	`I believe I do, but do I need them installed to compile the kernel?`
`22:46.40`	`tripzero`	`NeverMore, you are trying to compile a kernel?`
`22:46.48`	`NeverMore`	`tripzero: yes`
`22:47.33`	`NeverMore`	`tripzero: shouldn't make create Module.symvers?`
`22:47.59`	`tripzero`	`did you make {oldconfig,menuconfig,foo}?`
`22:48.30`	`NeverMore`	`oldconfig, n770_defconfig`
`22:53.14`	`jacekowski`	`hmm, omap version in n900 has hardware cryptography`
`22:53.24`	`GAN900`	`crashanddie, just about to get off work.`
`22:53.48`	`jacekowski`	`and it would be nice if it could be used to have encrypted filesystem without performance impact`
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`23:00.42`	`NeverMore`	`tripzero: think I got it. put 'undef CONFIG_MODVERSIONS' in modversions.h`
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`23:23.23`	`magick777`	`what's the proper way to go about raising a feature request on an extras package, specifically telepathy-idle?`
`23:23.54`	`magick777`	`does that belong on bugzilla with severity 'enhancement', or where does it go?`
`23:24.41`	`magick777`	`want it to support NickServ GHOST command`
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`23:29.05`	`DocScrutinizer`	`talk to Robot101`
`23:29.55`	`DocScrutinizer`	`wonders whom to /kick, to celebrate sysadmin day`
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`23:30.59`	`DangerMaus`	`hey Fuzzydabear`
`23:31.09`	`DangerMaus`	`errr... sheepbat`
`23:31.28`	`DangerMaus`	`wait wrong channel`
`23:32.01`	`DocScrutinizer`	`while the real sysadmins sitting in pub nearby, trying to empty the vodka bottles, I sit here and cure my stomach. Seems I'm a wannabe-sysadmin :-P`
`23:32.53`	`ShadowJK`	`I had something like that earlier`
`23:32.55`	`DangerMaus`	`head to the pub`
`23:33.05`	`DangerMaus`	`your just a slave`
`23:33.22`	`DangerMaus`	`well paid slave`
`23:33.27`	`ShadowJK`	`then I drank 2 litres of water and some ibu and I felt worse for a while, and then beer was fine again`
`23:33.40`	`ShadowJK`	`oh wow, that sounds like an alcoholic`
`23:34.23`	`ShadowJK`	`dehydration :x`
`23:34.34`	`DocScrutinizer`	`DangerMaus: neither is true - paid is zero, slave is not DocScrutinizer`
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`23:35.30`	`sheepbat`	`hello DangerMaus`
`23:35.35`	`DangerMaus`	`hmmm just for fun`
`23:35.41`	`DangerMaus`	`best way`
`23:36.17`	`DocScrutinizer`	`and for the "head to the pub" bit: I'm just back home from over there, as I couldn't stand the 2 litres of tap water I had to swallow to keep the 2 vodka I was invited for`
`23:37.55`	`DangerMaus`	`lol`
`23:38.04`	`ShadowJK`	`my tap water is pumped out of the ground next door to a place that pumps bottled water for all the major brands :>`
`23:38.21`	`DangerMaus`	`my tummy is on the fritz too this wekel`
`23:38.27`	`DangerMaus`	`week`
`23:38.44`	`jacekowski`	`i'm too old for that stuff`
`23:39.09`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ShadowJK: here we probably got the best tap water of the world, still I hated it when I was in that pup`
`23:39.20`	`jacekowski`	`not so long ago i could drink over 1l of vodka just like that and have no hangover the following day`
`23:39.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`pub even`
`23:39.36`	`jacekowski`	`proper 40% polish vodka`
`23:39.46`	`jacekowski`	`not the stuff that freezes in freezer`
`23:39.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`The way to avoid getting a hangover is simple.`
`23:40.05`	`jacekowski`	`it's stupid way`
`23:40.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`You get someone to wake you up every hour, and administer a small glass.`
`23:40.09`	`jacekowski`	`you have to drink`
`23:40.12`	`ShadowJK`	`I've only once done 1l vodka, that was to celebrate becoming civilian again :>`
`23:40.15`	`DocScrutinizer`	`jacekowski: yeah with proper stolichnaya or absolut or sth like that, some 5 years ago no problem`
`23:40.32`	`DangerMaus`	`i likethe spring water fromthe new england areaa`
`23:41.00`	`SpeedEvil`	`Fortunate to have really nice water here in Scotland.`
`23:41.13`	`jacekowski`	`does it glow at night?`
`23:41.25`	`DocScrutinizer`	`jacekowski: in taipei (openmoko apartment) I had decent Absolut frozen from fridge :-D`
`23:41.29`	`DocScrutinizer`	`was FINE`
`23:41.37`	`SpeedEvil`	`If exposed to light during the day.`
`23:41.49`	`ShadowJK`	`Absolut :)`
`23:42.11`	`SpeedEvil`	`(Water in sunlight gets a slight seperation of OH and H ions, these recombine at night.`
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`23:42.55`	`jacekowski`	`i've heard that stuff is scotland is so radioactive that it's getting overy any norms`
`23:42.59`	`jacekowski`	`over*`
`23:42.59`	`DocScrutinizer`	`SpeedEvil: you know fairy tales :-D`
`23:43.45`	`SpeedEvil`	`jacekowski: Blame russia! Chernobyl did noticably increase the radiation.`
`23:43.57`	`DocScrutinizer`	`still wonders whom to /kick`
`23:44.01`	`ShadowJK`	`I think scandinavia got more fallout, not sure :)`
`23:44.18`	`*** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ`
`23:44.19`	`ShadowJK`	`The radiation safety authority still publishes reports on the radiation levels of mushrooms`
`23:44.28`	`*** kick/#maemo [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!)`
`23:44.45`	`DangerMaus`	`they all died`
`23:44.45`	`jacekowski`	`so you're not denying the fact that stuff in scotland is glowing at night?`
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`23:45.07`	`DocScrutinizer`	`ha, that's been fun!`
`23:45.19`	`ShadowJK`	`Nah you need some serious levels of radiation before you can see glow`
`23:45.25`	`SpeedEvil`	`It only glows when I drop my fissionlight in it.`
`23:45.34`	`jacekowski`	`ShadowJK: it's not that high`
`23:45.49`	`jacekowski`	`ShadowJK: you can see glow of whatever is used in smoke detectors`
`23:45.58`	`ShadowJK`	`hm`
`23:46.04`	`ShadowJK`	`never seen any in mine :(`
`23:46.09`	`jacekowski`	`just drop it into water`
`23:46.16`	`jacekowski`	`i mean just that radioactive bit`
`23:46.27`	`jacekowski`	`and you will see it glow in blueish colour`
`23:46.48`	`DocScrutinizer`	`jacekowski: there are several kinds of smmoke detectors`
`23:46.49`	`jacekowski`	`because of cherenkov radiation`
`23:47.49`	`DocScrutinizer`	`cherenkov is photon cone of over-lighspeed particles :-) just like >1mach bang`
`23:47.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`Also - the eye has a very non-zero background noise.`
`23:48.27`	`jacekowski`	`but when i saw that 1st time live i was quite surprised how bright is it`
`23:48.33`	`SpeedEvil`	`So even though the water might emit a photon, unless it's very statistically significant, you're not going to see it`
`23:48.42`	`jacekowski`	`and i saw it trough like a 1m thick lead glass`
`23:48.53`	`DangerMaus`	`ohwell off to the pub`
`23:48.56`	`DocScrutinizer`	`eye is capable od detecing something like 10 photons to each of 10 receptors - amazingly low`
`23:49.12`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene`
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`23:49.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`Depends also significantly on training interestingly.`
`23:50.10`	`DocScrutinizer`	`sure`
`23:50.11`	`jacekowski`	`well, i'm not sure about specific design`
`23:50.38`	`jacekowski`	`but as far as i know it's core in lead and then in water`
`23:50.46`	`DocScrutinizer`	`look into a 100Ws electon flash tube and you'll probably not see the sun for 20 min`
`23:50.50`	`jacekowski`	`with glass around it`
`23:51.12`	`jacekowski`	`and you could see core glow`
`23:51.29`	`ShadowJK`	`If I'm in the dark, and I'm trying to like detect movement nearby, i mostly see the noise, and the brain tries to make it into something`
`23:51.32`	`ShadowJK`	`:/`
`23:51.36`	`luke-jr`	`mortini: ?`
`23:52.30`	`DocScrutinizer`	`http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:TrigaReactorCore.jpeg&filetimestamp=20050823070124`
`23:52.50`	`DocScrutinizer`	`http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Advanced_Test_Reactor.jpg&filetimestamp=20090926032300`
`23:53.45`	`jacekowski`	`DocScrutinizer: i think camera was inside outer shield`
`23:54.34`	`jacekowski`	`because the one i saw was little bit less bright partialy because it was trough quite thick lead glass`
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`23:55.40`	`mortini`	`luke-jr: < luke-jr> mortini: GMail has got to be the most popular crap software ever`
`23:55.48`	`mortini`	`^^ you mean more than windows?`
`23:55.59`	`luke-jr`	`mortini: actually, in some ways, yes`
`23:56.06`	`SpeedEvil`	`The eye is really quite sensitive. A microwatt light source is quite enough to not bump into large things if you walk slowly.`
`23:57.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`most of the stars in the sky light the earth with around 1 billionth of a watt per square metre.`
`23:57.12`	`jacekowski`	`btw. cherenkov radiation is the thing that's used for neutrinos research`
`23:57.31`	`crashanddie`	`SpeedEvil: as long as it's in the right spectral range, 10nW is enough to make out objects`
`23:57.36`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
`23:58.07`	`SpeedEvil`	`I _think_ the lightsource I was testing is about 200nW - and that was quite fine`
`23:58.34`	`DocScrutinizer`	`that one is friggin scary http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Cerenkov_Effect.jpg&filetimestamp=20081114142408`
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`23:59.01`	`crashanddie`	`if you have the luxury to have a completely black room (which is rare), you'll know how it feels to really see utterly nothing (you'll actually start having "flashes" of light, caused by the pressure of your blood and the lack of information coming from your eyes)`
`23:59.10`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
`23:59.16`	`jacekowski`	`DocScrutinizer: why is it scary?`
`23:59.20`	`SpeedEvil`	`brain winds up the gain till you see hte noise`

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