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| 07:00.58 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
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| 07:02.12 | jaem | let's try this again... :/ |
| 07:04.56 | jaem | flasher is just sitting at the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." line, and the N900 is not booting or flashing. >_< |
| 07:05.52 | Izzeh | linux or windows? |
| 07:06.11 | jaem | Izzeh: Linux, and I've done this plenty of times before. |
| 07:06.41 | jaem | The only potentially-relevant thing that has changed since the last time I did this was the addition of bootmenu. |
| 07:06.52 | jaem | Let's see if I can boot and remove it... |
| 07:07.26 | Izzeh | ensure kickstand is in, camera lens closed, remove microSD and hold your breath with your tongue stuck to one side |
| 07:08.12 | jaem | Izzeh: Should I stand on my head as well? |
| 07:09.43 | Izzeh | it certainly couldn't hurt! |
| 07:12.16 | jaem | ... |
| 07:12.16 | jaem | Are necks *supposed* to make that noise? |
| 07:12.57 | Duckboot | jaem: Probably not, but they do. |
| 07:14.46 | Izzeh | I stand corrected.. |
| 07:14.52 | Izzeh | it could, quite literally, hurt |
| 07:15.01 | jaem | Ah |
| 07:15.03 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you there |
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| 07:19.06 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, drowned yet? |
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| 07:19.19 | Stskeeps | no, but it did look like it rained a fair bit yesterday |
| 07:19.26 | Stskeeps | and i'm at 9th floor, so drowning is .. difficult |
| 07:19.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:19.41 | TomaszD | ah, right, Secure Office is on the top floor specifically for that reason |
| 07:19.45 | Izzeh | I'm on the 10th where I am.. and it was damn near close :P |
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| 07:19.55 | TomaszD | so that it's Secure |
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| 07:21.42 | Termana | Stskeeps, TomaszD, what do you guys do, have life boats near all windows so if the water level rises you can jump out? |
| 07:21.43 | Termana | :P |
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| 07:22.23 | TomaszD | nah, but recentely I was travelling with one of my friends by a 4x4 car during a massive rainfall and there was an insane lake in the middle of the road, his 4x4 almost stalled and water got inside the footwells |
| 07:23.31 | TomaszD | there are rubber plugs in the footwells for drainage, he removed them as he has a leaking soft top... so water got inside through them heh |
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| 07:24.36 | jaem | Goodnight, all |
| 07:24.52 | Termana | jaem, good night |
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| 07:25.08 | Izzeh | ideally you want the cabin of a 4x4 to fload |
| 07:25.18 | Izzeh | flood** |
| 07:25.26 | Izzeh | else it will float and off down the river you go |
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| 07:35.18 | kerio | gaah, i missed the antiapple troll |
| 07:35.20 | kerio | :( |
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| 07:37.32 | psycho_oreos | and you were planning to make a stand for apple? |
| 07:38.01 | crashanddie | what anti-apple troll? |
| 07:38.09 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: sure, why not? |
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| 07:38.53 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, I'd love to see that :p in the middle of maemo channel here comes someone who'll support apple |
| 07:41.56 | crashanddie | erhm... |
| 07:42.00 | crashanddie | I support Apple? |
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| 07:43.14 | Appiah | I support BP |
| 07:43.24 | psycho_oreos | BP? |
| 07:43.27 | Termana | lol |
| 07:43.38 | Appiah | oh I thought we were namedropping corps we support |
| 07:43.39 | crashanddie | facepalms |
| 07:44.07 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: british petroleum? |
| 07:44.24 | Termana | psycho_oreos, you haven't heard of the oil spill? :P |
| 07:44.59 | psycho_oreos | I was more interested in the debate from apple hater vs apple lover in this very chan, normally it'd be android owners versing iphone, not some misc. support |
| 07:45.30 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, yeah that was the first acronym that I thought but then there were plenty others that I later thought within a short amount of time frame :p |
| 07:45.50 | psycho_oreos | Termana, yes the one near US, made itself popular in news around the world |
| 07:46.15 | Termana | Appiah owns stock in BP |
| 07:46.18 | Termana | :D |
| 07:47.00 | crashanddie | i own stock in apple |
| 07:47.12 | kerio | supports |
| 07:47.12 | kerio | os x is a great os |
| 07:47.13 | kerio | and the iphone... if you need all the things that jobs doesn't want you to do, you're probably not in the "intended demographics" |
| 07:47.13 | kerio | i see my stupid friends with the iphone... if anything, it should be *more* dumbed down |
| 07:47.19 | psycho_oreos | BP should probably give him 20 gallons of free fuel and for every other shareholder keeping place |
| 07:47.34 | Termana | crashanddie, Rich in the pocket, poor in the soul |
| 07:47.40 | Termana | :P |
| 07:47.52 | MiXu- | kerio: lol |
| 07:48.24 | kerio | hey, they're perfectly happy with the app store, and all the easy-to-install games |
| 07:48.40 | SwedeMike | the iphone is great when you do things the way jobs intended, otherwise it's quite sucky. |
| 07:48.43 | psycho_oreos | kerio, I don't deny whatever the stuff rolling out of apple is absolutely crap but the way jobs handles its fans is kinda like adolf hitler |
| 07:49.12 | SwedeMike | apple does great stuff, as long as you do it the way they intended it works great, I'm sure it's a great experience, it'st just not for me. |
| 07:49.14 | kerio | ask them about tethering, they'll answer "bwhaaa?" |
| 07:49.28 | SwedeMike | kerio: tethering is limited due to AT&T etc, it's not a technical problem. |
| 07:49.29 | kerio | SwedeMike: that's why you're in #maemo |
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| 07:50.05 | kerio | yeah, i know, but most users don't really care |
| 07:50.38 | SwedeMike | kerio: my girlfriend has an ipod touch, for her it seems to work quite well, but I just can't get over the fact that without a computer with itunes and an account with a credit card for itunes store, it's a brick. |
| 07:51.06 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: you've lost the argument |
| 07:51.16 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: please leave the channel |
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| 07:51.20 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: godwin's law. |
| 07:51.35 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, no but you can |
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| 07:51.46 | crashanddie | sure |
| 07:51.48 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
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| 07:52.10 | crashanddie | oh shoot, I wanted to leave... |
| 07:52.28 | crashanddie | Guess ChanServ won't let me. Now change the subject. |
| 07:52.29 | psycho_oreos | shakes head, sadistic threats |
| 07:52.45 | kerio | (technically you don't need a CC for an account, anyway...) try to reflash the n900 without a computer ;) |
| 07:52.46 | kerio | crashanddie: godwin's law doesn't talk about winning an argument |
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| 07:53.24 | crashanddie | well, it does induce the fact that there is no point in continuing cuz no good will come of it |
| 07:53.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:53.38 | kerio | crashanddie: but who won?!?!?!? |
| 07:53.41 | crashanddie | Jaffa: morning mate |
| 07:53.44 | crashanddie | kerio: nobody |
| 07:53.49 | kerio | :( |
| 07:54.00 | kerio | godwin's law sucks |
| 07:57.56 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: just to be an arse: two other interviews early next week :P |
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| 08:02.28 | jacekowski | SwedeMike: i wouldn't have problem that it requires credit card and itunes account |
| 08:02.39 | jacekowski | SwedeMike: it's just iTunes that's slow and sucks |
| 08:02.48 | jacekowski | and behaves in a way i'm not used to |
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| 08:08.33 | SwedeMike | jacekowski: I definitely agree that it doesn't work in a way I'm used to, my 20+ years of computer experience doesn't work. |
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| 08:16.21 | D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG51, ping |
| 08:16.58 | kerio | SwedeMike: you're not cool enough to use the iphone ;) |
| 08:18.24 | technomike | hahaha |
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| 08:26.11 | SwedeMike | kerio: or not ignorant enough :P |
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| 08:59.13 | Khertan_ | Hi ! |
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| 09:04.06 | lcuk | hi Khertan_ \o |
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| 09:04.31 | chem|st | SwedeMike: not cool enough to be part of 'it' (whatever 'it' is) |
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| 09:08.28 | chem|st | anyone had a look at julius yet? |
| 09:09.23 | lcuk | chem|st, what is this |
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| 09:14.08 | chem|st | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_(software) |
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| 09:27.27 | lcuk | chem|st, ooo is it ported? |
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| 09:33.34 | Izzeh | quick way in shell to see if bluetooth is active? |
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| 09:35.21 | jacekowski | hcitool probably |
| 09:35.28 | jacekowski | or dbus |
| 09:37.07 | Izzeh | writing a shell script.. its been far too long... lol |
| 09:37.13 | lcuk | yes, "hcitool dev" should work |
| 09:37.22 | lcuk | Izzeh, they always take longer |
| 09:38.08 | Izzeh | thanks lcuk |
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| 09:43.03 | chem|st | lcuk: that was my question, 'if' anyone is looking at it... should be available for easy debian anyway |
| 09:43.06 | crashanddie | waves at lcuk |
| 09:43.20 | crashanddie | and at chem|st, too |
| 09:43.27 | chem|st | guten morgen! |
| 09:43.46 | crashanddie | wie gehts? |
| 09:44.44 | lcuk | hi crashanddie |
| 09:45.18 | crashanddie | how's it going guv? |
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| 09:46.34 | lcuk | good crashanddie :) just busy right now, will stop and have a brew in a bit |
| 09:47.31 | crashanddie | k |
| 09:48.53 | chem|st | down under... delphi sucks |
| 09:49.30 | Izzeh | any editors that'll work inside ssh other than vi? |
| 09:49.36 | chem|st | nitdroid.com down? |
| 09:49.48 | chem|st | Izzeh: hundreds |
| 09:49.58 | Izzeh | available for n900 in a neat little package? :P |
| 09:50.08 | Izzeh | also nitdroid.com is timing out for me also |
| 09:50.35 | Izzeh | if your after files the files2.nitdroid.com mirror is up though |
| 09:51.05 | chem|st | Izzeh: whats wrong with vi? |
| 09:51.27 | Izzeh | its like 80 years old :P |
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| 09:51.48 | chem|st | Izzeh: nevermind... |
| 09:52.00 | chem|st | Izzeh: try vim |
| 09:52.08 | Izzeh | hmm just grabbed nano.. it'll do the job |
| 09:52.10 | ShadowJK | nano |
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| 09:57.12 | timeless_mbp | Izzeh: pico/nano should work.. |
| 09:57.21 | timeless_mbp | ed/joe should too |
| 09:57.42 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'd suggest edlin :) |
| 09:58.36 | timeless_mbp | you should be able to use it w/ freedos :) |
| 09:59.30 | Izzeh | lol nano will do the job its just a shell script with about 70 lines of echos inside a case statement |
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| 10:09.19 | lcuk | am I right in thinking that maemo packages interface does not search within full package titles or descriptions for keywords? |
| 10:09.23 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=Facebook |
| 10:09.32 | lcuk | misses: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fb-migrator/ |
| 10:09.51 | lcuk | "Facebook migrator" is its user readable title |
| 10:09.59 | lcuk | X-Fade, is that a known issue? |
| 10:10.06 | X-Fade | lcuk: That is correct. Let me see if I can improve that ;) |
| 10:10.27 | lcuk | bonus \o/ |
| 10:19.25 | timeless_mbp | cool |
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| 10:28.50 | MohammadAG51 | morning |
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| 10:32.36 | alterego | Hello MohammadAG51 :) |
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| 10:35.04 | MohammadAG51 | hey alterego |
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| 10:44.57 | Izzeh | dpkg option to check if a .deb file is already installed? or any other way to quickly check? |
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| 10:46.55 | toggles_w | dpkg --get-selections? |
| 10:47.19 | timeless_mbp | dpkg -l ? |
| 10:47.29 | lcuk | dpkg -s [package] shows info and has a status: field |
| 10:47.38 | lcuk | "install ok installed" |
| 10:47.39 | timeless_mbp | note that a .deb isn't really as meaningful as you think |
| 10:47.52 | timeless_mbp | because i can name package foopy-bar "a.deb" |
| 10:48.17 | timeless_mbp | or at the very least a package foopy-bar might be foopy-bar-i386.deb or foopy-bar-all.deb or whatever |
| 10:48.23 | Izzeh | yeah I'm not after anything too practical.. jsut enough to stop my script reinstalling every time I run it |
| 10:49.07 | timeless_mbp | oops |
| 10:49.10 | lcuk | dpkg -s [somethingnotinstalled] says package is not installed (instead of showing info) |
| 10:49.11 | timeless_mbp | misses lunch |
| 10:49.16 | chem|st | Izzeh: dpkg-query -s <packagename>|grep Status|awk '(print $2)' |
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| 10:49.34 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: just trying to be different, eh? :) |
| 10:49.47 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: anytime ;) |
| 10:50.25 | Izzeh | damnit I'm too lazy to write an if statement for all the packages :P |
| 10:51.25 | timeless_mbp | you could just install each time :-b |
| 10:51.38 | Izzeh | yeah its like 11 massive packages though :P takes ~30 seconds |
| 10:51.45 | timeless_mbp | or create a mini repo and ask apt-get to install something |
| 10:51.51 | timeless_mbp | let apt figure out if things are missing |
| 10:51.56 | Izzeh | also reinstalling overwrites my configs :P |
| 10:52.01 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive |
| 10:52.23 | Izzeh | bugger it I'll do it lazy style |
| 10:52.41 | Izzeh | echo 'installed' > fileinstalled |
| 10:52.56 | Izzeh | and if installed then |
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| 11:04.50 | th3hate | jacekowski, still working on froyos flash? |
| 11:05.14 | jacekowski | sort of |
| 11:05.28 | jacekowski | i'm doing other stuff at the same time as well |
| 11:05.45 | Izzeh | isn't there a debian arm flash version available? |
| 11:06.06 | Izzeh | surely froyo's flash would work completely differentially? being its inside a vm? |
| 11:06.24 | jacekowski | it's not inside a vm |
| 11:06.31 | jacekowski | it's native |
| 11:06.36 | X-Fade | the one on device contains a lot of maemo specific code. It is not a plain flash dump received from adobe. |
| 11:06.58 | chem|st | how do I start into maemo with multiboot? |
| 11:07.08 | Izzeh | I figure as much, just thought if your going hex diving then starting from an arm deb version would be much better |
| 11:07.20 | Izzeh | slide open keypad chemist? |
| 11:07.26 | Izzeh | and select option 0 |
| 11:07.35 | th3hate | option 1 actually |
| 11:07.38 | th3hate | at least for me |
| 11:07.50 | Izzeh | I have power kernel installed and that shows as option 1 |
| 11:07.52 | chem|st | ty |
| 11:08.04 | chem|st | 0 it is |
| 11:08.04 | Izzeh | option 0 works in both instances I believe |
| 11:08.28 | th3hate | option 1 is default and option 2 is power kernel for me |
| 11:08.36 | MohammadAG51 | ~seen crashanddie |
| 11:08.37 | infobot | crashanddie <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 21m 6s ago, saying: 'k'. |
| 11:08.44 | Izzeh | hmm... anyone know if default busybox shell has case? my N900 is flat :S |
| 11:08.54 | Izzeh | or am I gonna have to use bash? |
| 11:09.05 | Izzeh | (as in case/switch) |
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| 11:14.37 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: after my input on the neopwn thread, I think that if it were to ever be released, we would easily find a "if (username == 'crashanddie') segfault();" in the code :P |
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| 11:17.36 | jacekowski | hmm that may not be true |
| 11:17.42 | jacekowski | it may be vm shit |
| 11:17.44 | jacekowski | or something |
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| 11:18.19 | Izzeh | lol I actually came to the same conclusion crashanddie :P |
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| 11:18.52 | Izzeh | keep going and it may end up being a sudo rm -rf /* |
| 11:19.50 | jacekowski | do you have link for that thread maybe |
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| 11:20.59 | korhojoa | hey guys. anyone had a problem with tv out? |
| 11:21.03 | korhojoa | i can't seem to get it to work |
| 11:21.16 | korhojoa | got my dads n900 here next to me, it works fine. mine however, when connected, does nothing |
| 11:21.32 | crashanddie | jacekowski: the post you told me I was "a bit rude" |
| 11:21.35 | korhojoa | it shows that the headphone is connected in dmesg |
| 11:21.40 | korhojoa | but doesn't show anything |
| 11:21.45 | crashanddie | jacekowski: responses after my reply: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=23 |
| 11:21.55 | korhojoa | no state change like with the headset or headphones |
| 11:22.04 | Izzeh | korhojoa I had issues as well |
| 11:22.13 | Izzeh | I found I came back the next day and it worked perfectly |
| 11:22.18 | Izzeh | sorry I can't be more helpful |
| 11:22.38 | Izzeh | I inferred after a while that the nitdroid (the old, compatabile) kernel was causing it |
| 11:22.50 | Jartza | I had the same problem once. hard boot (removing battery) fixed the issue. |
| 11:23.00 | Izzeh | try reflash the basic power kernel? |
| 11:23.08 | Izzeh | (after doing the usual reboot/hard reboot of course) |
| 11:23.14 | korhojoa | Izzeh: well, it's got the new multiboot selector that autoflashes |
| 11:23.15 | Izzeh | (or default kernel if you don't use power) |
| 11:23.25 | korhojoa | argh. |
| 11:23.59 | Izzeh | lol I can't imagine the new one would cause any issues.. as if it was still installed you wouldn't be able to boot maemo |
| 11:24.43 | Izzeh | random question: don't have anything infront of me to test.. does = need to be exited in sed? |
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| 11:30.50 | jo-erlend | can someone tell me how to install ddclient on n900? |
| 11:34.17 | Izzeh | why does sed hate me soooo |
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| 11:36.11 | crashanddie | ~seen swc|666 |
| 11:36.12 | infobot | swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 8h 12m 54s ago, saying: 'is meego using busybox or no?'. |
| 11:36.32 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: look at the ident for that user |
| 11:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 11:36.57 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 11:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 11:37.02 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 29 06:58:13 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 32 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 35 commands. I have been awake for 4h 38m 48s this session, and currently reference 117187 factoids. I'm using about 16472 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 364.18/25.91 child 0.02/0.02 |
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| 11:38.36 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, i know, someone on another server told me about him |
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| 11:41.13 | Macer | great |
| 11:41.27 | Macer | now the email app doesn't seem to be refreshing my local server |
| 11:41.56 | MohammadAG51 | Macer, shove a uranium ore in it |
| 11:42.03 | Macer | yah |
| 11:42.09 | Macer | that'll fix it :) |
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| 11:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | I don't believe I'm saying that... Which neopwn thread? |
| 11:47.06 | chem|st | lol |
| 11:49.35 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=767563#post767563 |
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| 11:55.58 | SpeedEvil | QA thoughts. |
| 11:56.28 | korhojoa | ~nibble me |
| 11:56.29 | infobot | bites korhojoa in the ear |
| 11:56.31 | SpeedEvil | Is a package that violates others terms of service ever a fail on QA tests? |
| 11:56.40 | korhojoa | heh. tickles >: |
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| 11:57.33 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: well, it depends. |
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| 11:58.12 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: if the only feature (or main feature) will infringe valid and reasonable terms of services, then I believe it ought to fail |
| 11:58.39 | Izzeh | *just remembered why he hates coding.. just lost 2 hours on a basic script* |
| 11:58.45 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/adventure-tablet/ - for example - uses openstreetmaps maps without the required attribution as its major feature. |
| 11:59.02 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: if however, a side effect of using a secondary feature is the infringement of a ToS of something that nobody cares about ... it's moot |
| 11:59.09 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: fail. |
| 11:59.44 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Complain to bergie, he's in here too ;) |
| 12:00.09 | SpeedEvil | I think I'll start with a nice comment - the app could do with an 'about' page anyway - which would easily fix. |
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| 12:00.38 | bergie | SpeedEvil: the GSoC student is actually working on an About screen right at the moment :-) |
| 12:01.00 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:01.39 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - I was more meaning in the generic rather than specific case. I just happened to notice your app as a - somewhat trivial - example. |
| 12:01.50 | SpeedEvil | somewhat trivial in terms of license violations I mean |
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| 12:02.58 | SpeedEvil | bergie: Also - you might want to consider powering down the GPS after n seconds of screenlock. |
| 12:03.01 | bergie | SpeedEvil: it might be nice if osm-gps-map provided a method for getting appropriate attribution text for different map providers |
| 12:03.20 | bergie | SpeedEvil: I'll mention that to her, we'll be hacking tonight anyway |
| 12:03.40 | bergie | there's a major new version coming soon with adventure sharing etc |
| 12:03.46 | bergie | so you can see also other players moving on the map |
| 12:04.29 | bergie | SpeedEvil: can you mention those issues on http://github.com/cannonerd/adventure_tablet/issues so they are not forgotten? |
| 12:04.33 | SpeedEvil | bergie: Neat. |
| 12:04.33 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 12:05.53 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 12:05.57 | SpeedEvil | Another mistake. |
| 12:06.02 | SpeedEvil | 'You are signing up for the free plan The cost for this plan is $0 per month. You can cancel, downgrade, or upgrade at any time.' |
| 12:06.11 | SpeedEvil | How does one downgrade from a $0 plan. |
| 12:06.15 | Stskeeps | -1$ |
| 12:06.18 | Stskeeps | they pay you. |
| 12:06.29 | Wolfie | wow... i'm surprised by the emotion in that neopwn thread |
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| 12:06.51 | Wolfie | i mean... I'd be a hugely happy camper, would my build tool have as many passionate followers |
| 12:06.58 | frals | link? |
| 12:07.41 | Wolfie | frals: you mean for my build tool? it's for java, before anyone gets their hopes up: http://wiki.github.com/wolfie/Bob/ |
| 12:08.35 | Wolfie | (while i'm at it, the code is at http://github.com/wolfie/Bob, and an Bob's bootstrapping build code is at http://github.com/wolfie/Bob/blob/master/bob/Default.java( |
| 12:08.39 | Wolfie | </ad> |
| 12:09.47 | crashanddie | Wolfie: it's not about passionate followers, really |
| 12:10.13 | Wolfie | crashanddie: it's not? i saw a lot of passion, and a few self-declared followers, though ;) |
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| 12:10.35 | crashanddie | Wolfie: injection is pretty much the holy grail of the n900 at this point (that and a decent turn-by-turn gps app). It's about false promises and shallow statements |
| 12:11.33 | crashanddie | Wolfie: it's like someone were to scream "I'm going get Jesus back. Be ready. 3 weeks from now latest." And because the church is kinda supporting him and providing help, we all kinda believe in it, and get excited. |
| 12:11.43 | jacekowski | well, sygic is good enough |
| 12:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Get him back for what? What's he done to you? |
| 12:12.14 | crashanddie | second coming :P It's in the bible :P |
| 12:12.16 | jacekowski | i've read that there are public patches for injection in n900 chip |
| 12:12.26 | jacekowski | for same chip |
| 12:12.27 | crashanddie | jacekowski: and I'd love to see them |
| 12:12.39 | jacekowski | but n900 has different patches as well |
| 12:12.48 | crashanddie | jacekowski: if they are -- as in, they do exist and they are public -- I'll put in quite a few hours and days to get it working |
| 12:12.52 | jacekowski | at least that's what somebody said in that thread |
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| 12:13.44 | Wolfie | crashanddie: ok, fair enough. |
| 12:14.15 | Wolfie | crashanddie: although, there has been a lot of hubbub about this guy who allegedly found the ark of the covenant, but nobody got exactly pissed at him (afafik) |
| 12:14.21 | Wolfie | *afaik |
| 12:14.38 | crashanddie | well, that's a myth :P |
| 12:14.44 | crashanddie | (not that the rest of the bible isn't) |
| 12:14.55 | jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768636&postcount=239 |
| 12:14.57 | jacekowski | that post |
| 12:15.04 | crashanddie | I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people got very, very pissed at the guy |
| 12:15.04 | jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768640&postcount=240 |
| 12:15.05 | jacekowski | and that |
| 12:15.27 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 12:15.52 | crashanddie | jacekowski: did you see my reply to that guy? |
| 12:16.08 | crashanddie | jacekowski: and showing a list of patches isn't exactly proof of anything... those patches are completely not related... |
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| 12:17.43 | SpeedEvil | bergie: OK - tracker spammed. |
| 12:17.58 | Wolfie | excuse me for not being hacker-y enough, but what would people do with packet injection on a mobile phone? |
| 12:18.21 | SpeedEvil | inject packets. |
| 12:18.21 | Wolfie | aren't there such things for, say, laptops? |
| 12:18.30 | crashanddie | Wolfie: be less conspicuous? |
| 12:18.45 | ShadowJK | laptops dont fit in your pocket |
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| 12:19.01 | Wolfie | i'm still not following you. What's a practical use of packet injection? |
| 12:19.07 | jacekowski | hacking |
| 12:19.13 | Wolfie | ah |
| 12:19.13 | SpeedEvil | has the image of Dr Zoidberg saying 'Natures pocket!' |
| 12:19.19 | jacekowski | + some other illegal actividies |
| 12:19.26 | SpeedEvil | and a few legal ones |
| 12:19.29 | crashanddie | Wolfie: I can walk around a building and smoke a cigarette while "reading my mobile", when really I'm cracking the network for a pen-test, I can't do the same with a laptop and or in a car with direction antennas without being spotted |
| 12:19.46 | Wolfie | alright |
| 12:19.52 | jacekowski | blah blah blah |
| 12:20.11 | Wolfie | i think i'll hold my breath for a gratis version of joiku, then ;) |
| 12:20.13 | jacekowski | if somebody hired you for it then you don't have to worry about that |
| 12:20.18 | jacekowski | otherwise it's illegal |
| 12:20.26 | Wolfie | (that doesn't require as much kernel hacking as the alternative does currently) |
| 12:20.28 | crashanddie | actually, I do. |
| 12:20.35 | Wolfie | jacekowski: alright |
| 12:20.44 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I've been hired to do pen-testing, which also tests the physical security of a building |
| 12:20.59 | crashanddie | jacekowski: and in the case of wireless networks, perimeter is an important aspect of it |
| 12:21.08 | Izzeh | anyone bored feel like looking over this script to see why its skipping the case statement: http://pastebin.com/4BjRsbcj |
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| 12:21.43 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or if it's your own system. |
| 12:22.09 | jacekowski | well, it's hard for me to imagine legal use case where you couldn't use a laptop |
| 12:22.13 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: how is perimiter very important - if you can stand off 1km with a dish in a van with a flat side. |
| 12:22.22 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: up a tower, clinging onto a ladder |
| 12:22.52 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it's actually a lot harder than you think to transmit packages far enough. Reading is easy, sending is hard. |
| 12:23.29 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Antennas are reversible by their nature. Gain is not one-directional. |
| 12:23.39 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're hitting time-of-flight limits. |
| 12:24.15 | crashanddie | Nope, but even though I've built directional antennas to listen from afar, the same antennas were never able to send as far. |
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| 12:24.46 | crashanddie | So, don't know the physics behind it, but it just doesn't work as easily both ways as you'd hope. |
| 12:24.48 | SpeedEvil | reciever and transmitter sensitivity are not equal. |
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| 12:25.21 | SpeedEvil | if the AP has a powerful transmitter, but there is for example local noise, or the reciever is insensitive, you can recieve much further than you can transmit. |
| 12:26.45 | crashanddie | Izzeh: removes the quotes around "a", "b" | "c" |
| 12:26.54 | crashanddie | and remove the spaces between value and ) too |
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| 12:27.28 | SpeedEvil | has a 1.2" dish with a USB stick at prime focus. |
| 12:27.32 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 12:27.34 | SpeedEvil | 1.2m |
| 12:27.37 | crashanddie | lol :) |
| 12:27.55 | crashanddie | I quite liked the canned beef version |
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| 12:28.52 | SpeedEvil | Oh - also - if your antenna is mismatched, your TX may struggle or become distorted |
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| 12:55.50 | tybollt | commend speedy for using metric |
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| 13:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=25 o.O |
| 13:06.47 | MohammadAG51 | what's /usr/sbin/icd2 |
| 13:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=769172#post769172 actually |
| 13:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | pokes MohammadAG51 |
| 13:07.29 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: google? |
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| 13:07.40 | MohammadAG51 | pokes DocScrutinizer |
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| 13:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: where's Ur fsckng cloak?? |
| 13:08.09 | E0x | morning ppl |
| 13:09.03 | timeless_mbp | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+icd2 |
| 13:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: quote from #freenode:Do 29. Juli 2010] |[04:05:07] <KB1JWQ|Birfday>| Project cloaks beat gateway cloaks beat unaffiliated cloaks. |
| 13:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: so please go #freenode and get an unaffiliated NOW |
| 13:11.12 | timeless_mbp | kicks adium for being incredibly stupdi |
| 13:11.15 | jacekowski | oO |
| 13:11.16 | jacekowski | look |
| 13:11.19 | timeless_mbp | s/di/id/ |
| 13:11.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout |
| 13:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: \o/ |
| 13:12.09 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: rapuyama is cortex-a something based |
| 13:12.22 | jacekowski | and other thing is |
| 13:12.30 | jacekowski | that nolo 2nd can be replaced |
| 13:12.39 | jacekowski | it's only nolo x-loader that's signed |
| 13:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 13:12.51 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:13.05 | Jartza | aagh |
| 13:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: infobot hates you |
| 13:13.08 | Jartza | my brain is melting |
| 13:13.20 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's ok, the regexp wouldn't have done the right thing anyway |
| 13:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:13.29 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't apply to actions, only statements |
| 13:13.34 | toggles_w | mother trucker... |
| 13:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | aidium |
| 13:13.44 | Jartza | temp 35°C and humidity around 50% |
| 13:13.45 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that has to be added to wiki |
| 13:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | ooh right, no actions |
| 13:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, and copied, not only referred |
| 13:15.48 | jacekowski | how is your jig project going? |
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| 13:17.31 | jacekowski | and btw. |
| 13:17.34 | jacekowski | http://cpkb.org/wiki/BSI |
| 13:17.37 | jacekowski | Battery Size Indicator ( or Battery Status Indicator or Battery System Indicator ) |
| 13:17.45 | jacekowski | Mobile phones use BSI to identify the type and size of the used battery. This is needed to determine the current and the voltage of the charging. |
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| 13:18.02 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: not written by a native speaker |
| 13:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, nothing particularly new in BSI definition |
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| 13:18.58 | jacekowski | yeah, it just confirms what we know |
| 13:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (jig) not even started as there's ZERO feedback about number of devices and maximum allowable cost, from potentially interested dudes |
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| 13:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, I got a BL-5J two days ago, to eventually slaughter and revamp |
| 13:21.06 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: it can't cost more than 20kCUR/unit ;-) |
| 13:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | sure. But is anobody going to PAY that much for it? :-D |
| 13:22.04 | jacekowski | well, i personally would be just interested in some sort of connectors |
| 13:22.19 | timeless_mbp | i'll pay 1dollah |
| 13:22.30 | jacekowski | i was thinking about buing couple fbus/mbus cables |
| 13:22.36 | jacekowski | and taking them apart just for a connector |
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| 13:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I mean, living in a tent with twenty of those jigs as my only companions, as I had to sell my house... not a perspective |
| 13:22.58 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 13:23.13 | timeless_mbp | at least you had a nice house |
| 13:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | (the point is I actually don't) |
| 13:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: any link to those cables? I'd think IF they really fit N900 they for sure need to be jig type, with battery dummy, much like FT-94 |
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| 13:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nice find btw |
| 13:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | hands jacekowski a lolly |
| 13:26.26 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 13:26.27 | jacekowski | http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm |
| 13:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | UHUH! |
| 13:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | nice hack |
| 13:27.25 | jacekowski | or |
| 13:27.26 | jacekowski | http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal2.htm |
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| 13:28.52 | Stskeeps | that's clever |
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| 13:29.42 | jacekowski | so we've got fbus mbus, serial |
| 13:29.47 | jacekowski | and second serial? |
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| 13:30.05 | jacekowski | it's probably rapuyama serial |
| 13:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | even what's called primary serial in that picture is most likely rapu for n900 |
| 13:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it? |
| 13:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you should know by heart if it matches your finds for console AP serial |
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| 13:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, coffee is useless today |
| 13:31.52 | jacekowski | it doesn't |
| 13:31.59 | jacekowski | pins on that are different |
| 13:32.07 | jacekowski | so it's another serial |
| 13:32.13 | jacekowski | question is what is it for |
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| 13:33.21 | h4xordood | heya :) after flashing everything else seem to be workin fine but my wifi is not connecting :( |
| 13:33.38 | h4xordood | did any one encounterd this problem ? |
| 13:33.54 | h4xordood | i flashed emmc with latest vanilla image |
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| 13:34.03 | jacekowski | no |
| 13:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as I said above: rapuyama |
| 13:34.09 | jacekowski | just emmc? |
| 13:34.19 | jacekowski | you have to flash emmc and fiasco |
| 13:34.26 | jacekowski | never flash emmc without fiasco |
| 13:34.26 | h4xordood | first rootfs with indian maemo |
| 13:34.50 | h4xordood | then without rebooting i flashed with emmc |
| 13:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | first eMMC, THEN rootfs! |
| 13:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | period |
| 13:35.28 | h4xordood | eh o_O it was written in wiki to flash rootfs and then vanilla |
| 13:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter if you REALLY didn't boot in between |
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| 13:35.48 | h4xordood | ah :) |
| 13:35.55 | h4xordood | but now wifi is not working |
| 13:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes, we had extended argues about it |
| 13:36.11 | h4xordood | but before flashing it was working |
| 13:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | wifi unrelated though |
| 13:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you should configureonce again |
| 13:36.30 | jacekowski | then flash it as it's been told |
| 13:36.42 | h4xordood | any patches or something ? |
| 13:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:37.06 | h4xordood | so i need to reflash |
| 13:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | check the settings for the internet connection via wlan |
| 13:37.40 | h4xordood | my wlan is scanned and found |
| 13:37.46 | h4xordood | i enter correct key |
| 13:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: why ? you tell you didn't boot, positively. And everything else works |
| 13:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | so no need to flash again |
| 13:38.18 | h4xordood | oka :) |
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| 13:39.06 | h4xordood | tell me one thing how can i know if my wireless card got fried on n900 ? |
| 13:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | when your AP is found on scanning, then it's just a question of correct config to make it work. Do exactly same you did before, and it should work |
| 13:39.25 | h4xordood | the thing is i am doing same |
| 13:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | won't happen |
| 13:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | anyway if scanning works, then it's not fried |
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| 13:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that cable 2 looks utterly nasty |
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| 13:40.25 | E0x | turn off the protection of the AP and try connect to it if it work then you are enter the wrong pass/key |
| 13:40.49 | h4xordood | i am trying to do same :) |
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| 13:42.18 | h4xordood | my sd card is reading on n900 but not on computer |
| 13:42.43 | jacekowski | N900 FTW |
| 13:42.59 | h4xordood | what ? |
| 13:43.44 | Izzeh | so who wants to hear me vent? |
| 13:43.52 | Izzeh | spent 3 hours trying to figure out why my script wouldn't work |
| 13:44.23 | Izzeh | only to discover it was a 'don't if' inside an echo starting an imaginary if statement that gave me an error 200 lines later |
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| 13:44.50 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 13:45.13 | Izzeh | on a brighter note.. noobies no longer have to open a text file in xterm to modify one file |
| 13:45.14 | Izzeh | <.< |
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| 13:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: sounds all very funny but non instructive |
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| 13:47.34 | Izzeh | instructive: don't use contractions when putting lines and lines of echo |
| 13:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | and yeah, any lexem opening a structure can give you headache when forgetting to close the bracket |
| 13:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | eerrrrr |
| 13:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | cat <<MyETX |
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| 13:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | commonly known by the name of here-document |
| 13:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | (or similar stupid name) |
| 13:50.13 | Izzeh | random related question: is there a way to pause for keystroke in busybox? |
| 13:50.17 | Izzeh | read -n 1 doesn't work |
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| 13:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't feel surprised messybox doesn't support, as it never was intended for interactive shell usage |
| 13:51.19 | mgedmin | Izzeh, by "doesn't work" you mean it waits for Enter? |
| 13:51.42 | mgedmin | tries |
| 13:51.44 | mgedmin | -sh: read: illegal option -n |
| 13:51.44 | Izzeh | no its an 'illegal option -n' |
| 13:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | see what I meant |
| 13:51.56 | Izzeh | it works inside bash though |
| 13:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | nuke messybox, use bash |
| 13:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 13:52.25 | Izzeh | blam bash :P |
| 13:52.29 | Izzeh | not everyone has it |
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| 13:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, don't nuke it as braindamaged initscripts rely on it |
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| 13:52.42 | flashn | someone said "it has too high memory footprint" |
| 13:52.47 | flashn | and I have to agree |
| 13:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | pff |
| 13:53.11 | Izzeh | lol |
| 13:53.17 | Izzeh | so does anyone have an alternative? |
| 13:53.28 | Izzeh | messybox has worked so far.. even manages my case/switch perfectly |
| 13:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | install read |
| 13:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | binary |
| 13:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | refer to with full path |
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| 13:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | or, nuke messybox :-D |
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| 13:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install coreutils-gnu |
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| 13:54.43 | Izzeh | lol hmm maybe I'll just read <random var> and tell the user to hit enter |
| 13:55.03 | Izzeh | even I'm too lazy to install that :P |
| 13:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | then don't complain you have to jump hoops every second line, when scripting |
| 13:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | messybox is crap |
| 13:56.17 | Izzeh | my script doesn't even require root though.. if I added that I'd have to tell them to get rootsh and so on so |
| 13:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | next time don't come here and ask "where is `nice`?" |
| 13:56.34 | Izzeh | slippery slope.. I think I'll just stick to lazy coding :P |
| 13:56.46 | Izzeh | was kinda hoping for a built in command I missed |
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| 13:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | if your script needs root then either user has to KNOW how to get root BEFORE starting your script, or go for user friendly sudo as it's there just to meet your needs regarding that |
| 14:00.04 | Izzeh | sudo requests password if packages like openssh is installed |
| 14:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | sudo does whatever is configured in /etc/sudoers |
| 14:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | you easily add a config line to allow apt-get install *, without pw query |
| 14:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's what sudo is meant for |
| 14:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | or simply set SUID on apt-get ;-P |
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| 14:03.18 | Izzeh | hmm forgot I actually do need root... there you go... |
| 14:03.31 | Izzeh | but to edit /etc/sudoers you need root |
| 14:03.42 | Izzeh | :S |
| 14:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | heh, not if you are HAM postinstall |
| 14:04.05 | Appiah | is that the file that should be edited with visudo? |
| 14:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's what rootsh actually does btw |
| 14:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | fsck visudo |
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| 14:05.06 | mems | Hey. I'm having difficulty getting my n900 to pick up Ogg files :/ |
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| 14:05.35 | mems | I've got "extra decoders" installed... but no joy |
| 14:05.53 | Izzeh | doesn't tracker need to be restarted? |
| 14:06.08 | Izzeh | can you launch them from file manager? |
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| 14:06.26 | mems | I restarted tracker with tracker-processes -r, and I've also been through a few phone reboots |
| 14:06.51 | Izzeh | from file manager? |
| 14:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | launch HFM, click on *.ogg - does it play? |
| 14:07.08 | mems | Izzeh: yep, I can play them from the file manager |
| 14:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | kick tracker ass |
| 14:07.26 | Izzeh | lol |
| 14:07.29 | Izzeh | how helpful :P |
| 14:07.32 | mems | heh |
| 14:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | i.e check the config for tracker |
| 14:07.38 | Izzeh | go grab tracker-cfg from app manager |
| 14:07.50 | Izzeh | and make sure .ogg files aren't in an ignored directory |
| 14:07.58 | Izzeh | (very handy program otherwise as well) |
| 14:08.11 | mems | Izzeh: do you know what app category it's in? |
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| 14:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke tracker and the whole concept |
| 14:08.14 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker and the whole concept ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 14:08.46 | Izzeh | infobot has spelling error... fail :P |
| 14:08.57 | Izzeh | how do we make fun of it? |
| 14:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:09.15 | kerio | ~nuke Izzeh |
| 14:09.16 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Izzeh ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 14:09.17 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 14:09.17 | infobot | kerio: :) |
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| 14:09.37 | mems | Izzeh: I can't find this "tracker-cfg" app |
| 14:09.48 | Izzeh | you got extras-devel enabled? |
| 14:09.58 | mems | ah, it's in -devel |
| 14:10.10 | Izzeh | I didn't expect it to be.. but I guess so yes |
| 14:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~useless |
| 14:10.13 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 14:10.33 | kerio | :( |
| 14:10.35 | Izzeh | yay you made it cry |
| 14:10.39 | kerio | ~hail infobot |
| 14:10.40 | infobot | ACTION bows down to infobot and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | her |
| 14:10.49 | kerio | wait, what was the command |
| 14:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack kerio |
| 14:10.55 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio |
| 14:11.05 | Izzeh | uhm... am I the only one that REALLY misses rootsh? |
| 14:11.12 | Izzeh | it was so overpowered |
| 14:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 14:11.37 | Izzeh | latest rootsh version removed the actual rootsh command |
| 14:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: what are ya talking bout? |
| 14:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: it's called root now |
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| 14:12.21 | kerio | which is just a script that calls sudo gainroot |
| 14:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot is obsolete. rootsh is since years |
| 14:12.52 | luke-jr | sudo -i -H |
| 14:12.54 | luke-jr | kthx |
| 14:13.43 | mems | yea, tracker-cfg was in -devel |
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| 14:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | stares in luke-jr general direction and frowns |
| 14:14.00 | mems | I miss the ability to search in the app installer... |
| 14:14.11 | Izzeh | its not gone? |
| 14:14.15 | TomaszD | mems, you can search as you type... |
| 14:14.17 | Izzeh | just enter all section and start typing |
| 14:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | mems: select "all", start typing |
| 14:14.26 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if N900 wants to be "normal Linux", why the emphasis on non-standard commands? |
| 14:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ack |
| 14:14.39 | MiXu- | Anyone found a good shopping list app for N900? |
| 14:14.59 | TomaszD | isn't shopper available? |
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| 14:15.03 | MiXu- | "Shopper" is promising but incomplete. |
| 14:15.17 | lbt | paff |
| 14:15.22 | MiXu- | Doesn't autosave and you have to manually load your saved list |
| 14:15.24 | TomaszD | MiXu-, lbt is the author, bug him for features |
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| 14:15.35 | lbt | does too autosave... bloody users |
| 14:15.35 | luke-jr | actually, since N900 demoted '-' to a Fn key, I've been cheating and skipping -H :/ |
| 14:15.41 | lbt | :D |
| 14:15.44 | MiXu- | Doesn't autosave for me :D |
| 14:15.54 | luke-jr | I used to use Shopper on N810 |
| 14:15.55 | lbt | I know... |
| 14:15.58 | luke-jr | crashed too much â¹ |
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| 14:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | gasps from laughing at notes not knowing how to safe-as |
| 14:16.13 | Izzeh | ok my root sections are failing |
| 14:16.17 | Izzeh | I fail at life :'( |
| 14:16.24 | Corsac | utf8 smileys >< |
| 14:16.26 | Izzeh | and sudo hates me as it requests a password I never set |
| 14:16.28 | lbt | luke-jr: bear in mind that I was using a half-assed Qt too |
| 14:16.37 | MiXu- | lbt: So autosave is supposed to work? |
| 14:16.44 | luke-jr | lbt: you wrote Shopperâ |
| 14:16.46 | Corsac | luke-jr: is -H useful with -i? |
| 14:16.53 | lbt | MiXu-: yes... designed from the start |
| 14:16.56 | luke-jr | Corsac: no idea, does -i imply -H? |
| 14:17.00 | TomaszD | lbt, it's been a week since I sent the package, should be any month now :P |
| 14:17.00 | lbt | there is no save button |
| 14:17.01 | Corsac | here it does |
| 14:17.05 | MiXu- | Hmm. Maybe I'll purge it and try again. |
| 14:17.07 | lbt | luke-jr: yes |
| 14:17.13 | luke-jr | Corsac: I think in some cases it doesn't |
| 14:17.16 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.16 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.17 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.17 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.17 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.23 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 14:17.26 | lbt | slaps Corsac... use pastie |
| 14:17.30 | Jucato | Question: I installed the SDK and updated plus added the Nokia Binaries repo and apps. aren't I supposed to be in PR 1.2 already? with Qt pre-installed? |
| 14:17.30 | Corsac | yeah |
| 14:17.46 | lbt | MiXu-: did you log a bug... or add to the one there? |
| 14:17.54 | luke-jr | lbt: ok, I'll give it another try now that I know who to bug for feature requests |
| 14:17.55 | luke-jr | :D |
| 14:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | 5 lines are ok afaik |
| 14:17.57 | TomaszD | Jucato, yep |
| 14:17.59 | MiXu- | lbt: not yet |
| 14:18.05 | lbt | luke-jr: sure.. be happy to listne |
| 14:18.07 | lbt | en |
| 14:18.08 | Corsac | luke-jr: I guess âattemptsâ is your problem? |
| 14:18.13 | luke-jr | Corsac: ? |
| 14:18.15 | Jucato | TomaszD: hm .. strange. no Qt package showing up in dpkg -l ... |
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| 14:18.36 | Corsac | luke-jr: here I always do sudo -i and it changes correctly, but maybe in some cases it fails for you? |
| 14:18.46 | lbt | TomaszD: I'm watching... |
| 14:18.48 | luke-jr | Corsac: maybe old versions or such |
| 14:18.57 | Corsac | hmmh, though the âattemptsâ is only for the change directory |
| 14:19.01 | Corsac | not for the envvar |
| 14:19.14 | Izzeh | so is there no practical way to run a script without running it as root in busybox? |
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| 14:19.25 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 14:19.35 | MiXu- | Izzeh: sure you can make a desktop shortcut for it |
| 14:19.44 | luke-jr | Izzeh: why would it run as root? |
| 14:19.46 | _llll_ | or just run it |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | lbt: I cloudy remember a max-pastelines policy mentioned somewhere. Alas can't figure anymore where |
| 14:20.00 | visz | you know, if there is any remote app for n900 for controlling htpc type media player? |
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| 14:20.07 | Izzeh | running as user and trying to enter root inside the script fails royally |
| 14:20.13 | lbt | DocScrutinizer: ~3 iirc |
| 14:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | lbt: was something like 5 or 6 |
| 14:20.21 | luke-jr | Izzeh: sudo |
| 14:20.22 | TomaszD | Jucato, how about dpkg -l libqt |
| 14:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | orly only 3? |
| 14:20.30 | Izzeh | sudo requests password for me |
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| 14:20.39 | Jucato | TomaszD: none. dpkg -l | grep -i qt |
| 14:20.42 | luke-jr | Izzeh: you didn't configure it then |
| 14:20.58 | TomaszD | Jucato, dpkg -l libqt* |
| 14:21.13 | carcinoma | Tachchen |
| 14:21.26 | Izzeh | so basically before I can distribute a script to lowcase noobs and have all it does is modify some root files.. they need to modify their sudoers configuration file? |
| 14:21.33 | Izzeh | that seems really pointless to me |
| 14:21.38 | Jucato | TomaszD: lol ... libqt-perl, status "un" |
| 14:21.51 | mems | Izzeh: ok, the directory the .ogg file's in wasn't ignored. |
| 14:22.09 | TomaszD | Jucato, just install libqt4-maemo5 |
| 14:22.10 | mems | I added it as a "watched directory", then restarted tracker, and no joy |
| 14:22.16 | Izzeh | =/ |
| 14:22.23 | TomaszD | I would imagine that it's a metapackage |
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| 14:22.31 | mems | I then added it as a "crawl directory" and still no beans |
| 14:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | lzentering root in a script is considered *BAD* pratice. You'll earn 5 years windows admin and linux ban for such botch |
| 14:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: ^^ |
| 14:22.52 | Jucato | TomaszD: I just thought it would have been installed in an upgrade (as per PR 1.2) |
| 14:23.08 | TomaszD | Jucato, that's life |
| 14:23.11 | Izzeh | its safer to let the user access root? :S |
| 14:23.18 | Jucato | TomaszD: tell me about it :) |
| 14:23.27 | Izzeh | sigh... guess I'm rewriting and making sure it doesn't screw up permissions on user files |
| 14:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: see starhash-enabler. It does everything in root without even bothering user about scripts |
| 14:24.02 | MiXu- | lbt: No joy with autosave. I make the list and then close Shopper. It forgets my changes |
| 14:24.02 | luke-jr | Izzeh: just have your package include a sudoers config file |
| 14:24.25 | Izzeh | wouldn't you need root to copy that sudoers file? |
| 14:24.39 | luke-jr | packages are installed as root, duh |
| 14:25.08 | TomaszD | just don't forget to put that both in postinst and postrm |
| 14:25.12 | mems | so what directory do people in here keep their Ogg files on their n900 that are picked up tracker? |
| 14:25.33 | Izzeh | .audio? |
| 14:25.35 | Appiah | they install extra decoder support |
| 14:25.40 | mems | done that |
| 14:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: actually *# isn't modifying a root owned file, but it has special care to make sure the root user it's running under doesn't interfere with permissions of the file edited. So editing root owned files is no issue for a postinstall script, as it runs with root permissions by definition |
| 14:25.41 | TomaszD | what? ogg files should get indexed by default if you have my package |
| 14:25.49 | Appiah | did you restart the n900 after that? |
| 14:25.59 | mems | Appiah: yea, several times |
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| 14:26.02 | mems | also restarted tracker |
| 14:26.09 | mems | and got it to rebuild its databases |
| 14:26.11 | Appiah | think there was a note for that |
| 14:26.12 | TomaszD | mems, does playback work from the file manager? |
| 14:26.17 | Appiah | incase it happens |
| 14:26.18 | Izzeh | fair enough |
| 14:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: and DO NOT DARE to *replace* aka copy the /etc/sudoers!! |
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| 14:26.24 | mems | TomaszD: yes :) |
| 14:26.25 | Izzeh | lol |
| 14:26.36 | TomaszD | hmm |
| 14:26.37 | mems | I keep mine in 'music' not '.audio'... |
| 14:26.46 | carcinoma | How could i config n900 to not let the im/sms/email incoming sound break the media player sound? |
| 14:26.48 | lbt | MiXu-: OK ... I'm going to have to up the priority |
| 14:26.48 | kerio | is not touching Izzeh's .debs with a 10 feet pole |
| 14:26.52 | TomaszD | it should not matter, files get indexed anyway |
| 14:27.12 | mems | TomaszD: indeed... but they're not :-/ |
| 14:27.18 | Izzeh | I'm not making any debs so you'll be fine |
| 14:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: are you really awake and sane today? pkg include sudoers file??? WTF? |
| 14:27.41 | Izzeh | ~nuke kerio |
| 14:27.42 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at kerio ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 14:27.50 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how do you think gainroot does it? |
| 14:27.56 | MiXu- | lbt: Maybe it has something to do with permissions. Where does Shopper save by default? |
| 14:28.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: add a $packagename file in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 14:28.25 | h4xordood | ah wifi working now :) |
| 14:28.37 | TomaszD | mems, so when you started the media player after installing extra decoders, did you wait for it to index the new formats? There should be a big banner with a timer displayed |
| 14:28.56 | lbt | MiXu-: can you launch it from ssh? |
| 14:29.04 | MiXu- | sure |
| 14:29.07 | h4xordood | likes nuclear missiles only ;P |
| 14:29.13 | mems | TomaszD: yep, I've been through several of those "indexing your files" banner things |
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| 14:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | I don't care about rootsh idiot pkg. You could argue it's the very first package you install to even get access to sudoers. Still it's borked if it doesn't edit/append to /etc/sudoers and instead nukes previous edits by replacing whole file |
| 14:29.21 | h4xordood | infobot: only nuclear ones :D |
| 14:29.23 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 14:29.23 | infobot | kerio: thanks |
| 14:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: exactly |
| 14:29.45 | mems | wishes there was a way of pointing tracker at a single file to discover what it does with it |
| 14:30.02 | h4xordood | now can any one help me in one thing |
| 14:30.02 | kerio | it doesn't edit /etc/sudoers |
| 14:30.07 | TomaszD | mems, no idea, can't help you then, the ogg-support part is largely unmaintained until I integrate it further into decoders-support |
| 14:30.09 | kerio | it adds a config file in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 14:30.13 | h4xordood | i am not able to run cfdisk |
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| 14:30.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: sudoers on N900 uses a .d file |
| 14:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: ok. I never checked what it actually does |
| 14:30.23 | h4xordood | i have only sfdisk |
| 14:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | s/file/dir |
| 14:30.40 | h4xordood | i have 16gb card inside n900 which shows its corrupted |
| 14:30.56 | h4xordood | on computer it doesnt open and not read |
| 14:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | a .d file would be errr crazy? |
| 14:31.12 | h4xordood | so only way to format is from maemo terminal |
| 14:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you meant a .d/* file |
| 14:32.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: maybe directories are files in tonal |
| 14:32.06 | luke-jr | runs |
| 14:32.18 | mems | Izzeh, TomaszD: thanks for the help. |
| 14:32.39 | Izzeh | got it working mems? hardly worth helping me when I didn't solve anything |
| 14:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: not only in tonal |
| 14:32.47 | Izzeh | thanking me*** |
| 14:32.48 | Izzeh | o.0 |
| 14:32.50 | mems | Izzeh: no, I haven't got it working |
| 14:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | actually on ext3 and all sane fs they are in fact special files |
| 14:33.13 | Izzeh | so moving to .audio folder and restarting tracker doesn't help? |
| 14:33.22 | mems | Izzeh: I'll try that |
| 14:33.31 | mems | there isn't already a .audio file... which is interesting |
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| 14:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you can even edit dirs with a texteditor :-P |
| 14:34.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I'll edit your dirs with a texteditor |
| 14:34.29 | Izzeh | doh |
| 14:34.30 | Izzeh | its .sounds |
| 14:34.32 | Izzeh | sorry mems |
| 14:34.37 | mems | ah right |
| 14:34.37 | luke-jr | too bad the nano package for Maemo crashes if you try to search |
| 14:35.24 | jacekowski | what is the current openmoko status anyways |
| 14:35.24 | jacekowski | dead? |
| 14:35.56 | Izzeh | ok how to execute a program from a script as the user? |
| 14:35.59 | carcinoma | Wikireader? |
| 14:36.12 | SpeedEvil | It's not dead, it's resting! |
| 14:36.13 | Izzeh | if executed as root it creates a config in /root/ instead of /home/user |
| 14:36.13 | mrmoku | jacekowski: openmoko the company or openmoko the community? :) |
| 14:36.14 | carcinoma | Isnt that om? |
| 14:36.20 | SpeedEvil | It's pining for the fjoords! |
| 14:36.25 | jacekowski | openmoko as a project |
| 14:36.41 | mrmoku | there is still some life :) |
| 14:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 14:36.45 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko-corporate - is not interested in mobiles anymore. |
| 14:37.01 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko-community - is still doing some stuff. |
| 14:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it does |
| 14:37.17 | jacekowski | so what openmoko-corporate is doing now? |
| 14:37.24 | carcinoma | Damn, anybody can help me with this sound thing? |
| 14:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | idling? |
| 14:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | rotting? |
| 14:37.30 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I'm not sure it's more than one guy with a silly webpage |
| 14:37.47 | mrmoku | DocScrutinizer: no more wikireader? |
| 14:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think it's 2 guys and a gal |
| 14:38.02 | luke-jr | WikiReader was a joke |
| 14:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | mrmoku: dunno, seen WR from another brand recently |
| 14:38.31 | SpeedEvil | Wikireader wasn't a joke. |
| 14:38.40 | SpeedEvil | Wikireader got a fair number of sales. |
| 14:38.40 | luke-jr | it's a useless device IMO |
| 14:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but a nice joke. I designed a lot of hackability into it |
| 14:38.51 | SpeedEvil | It's a useless device. For you. |
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| 14:39.15 | SpeedEvil | It's not a useless device for its exact stated purpose. |
| 14:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | alas later in development they massively changed the design |
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| 14:39.31 | TomaszD | mems, I'll have an arcane command for you to run in the terminal in a moment |
| 14:39.34 | mems | Izzeh: after another reindexing session... sticking it in .sounds doesn't help |
| 14:39.39 | mems | TomaszD: excellent :-D |
| 14:39.49 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Wikipedia isn't credible. Why bother something specific to it? |
| 14:39.58 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I find it useful. |
| 14:40.29 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Could it be better - sure. |
| 14:40.38 | h4xordood | i cant find outhow to format with sfdisk :( |
| 14:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: WR isn't wikipedia specific. The whole "OS" is FOSS and you are free to develop your very own application on it |
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| 14:40.59 | h4xordood | did apt-get install cfdisk |
| 14:41.03 | h4xordood | not found |
| 14:41.12 | h4xordood | is it in exxtra-devel ? |
| 14:41.16 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Motor_capacitor&diff=prev&oldid=375846232 - for example - improve it! |
| 14:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: BECAUSE SFDISK DOES NOT FORMAT |
| 14:41.34 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: like a kiosk? |
| 14:41.47 | h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: i think partition iss corrupt on mmc |
| 14:41.49 | luke-jr | h4xordood: cfdisk doesn't format either |
| 14:42.11 | slonopotamus | even fdisk doesn't format! |
| 14:42.16 | h4xordood | it says msdos file system not found |
| 14:42.24 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: what about a flux capacitor? |
| 14:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: we told you dozens of times *fdisk is just to edit partition table, and to format you need mkfs-* |
| 14:43.22 | TomaszD | mems, try running as root: tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/ogg |
| 14:43.22 | h4xordood | i trid mkfs.vfat -n "hackerdood" -I /dev/mmck0 |
| 14:43.32 | h4xordood | but doesnt work |
| 14:43.38 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 14:43.49 | TomaszD | mems, see if it actually outputs newly found tracks |
| 14:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | facepalms |
| 14:43.57 | slonopotamus | h4xordood: you need to point it at partition, not whole device |
| 14:43.59 | mems | TomaszD: ok, two ticks |
| 14:44.24 | h4xordood | it doesnt have any partition cause it shows device only and no partitions |
| 14:44.38 | luke-jr | h4xordood: you shouldn't be messing with this stuff if you don't know what you're doing |
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| 14:44.55 | slonopotamus | h4xordood: then use *fdisk to create them |
| 14:45.11 | h4xordood | ok |
| 14:45.13 | Jucato | hm ... is it ok to ask qt-maemo (linking) questions here, or is there a more suitable channel? |
| 14:45.19 | TomaszD | mems, ticks? |
| 14:45.21 | h4xordood | i only have sfdisk working |
| 14:45.34 | mems | TomaszD: a.k.a. "working on it" |
| 14:45.37 | TomaszD | k |
| 14:45.50 | mems | TomaszD: ok, partial success, but it terminated with a segfault: http://pastebin.com/rj2aVY6f |
| 14:45.51 | h4xordood | Jucato: heyo :) |
| 14:45.55 | Jucato | you h4xordood :P |
| 14:46.03 | slonopotamus | sfdisk ui is a horror |
| 14:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 14:46.13 | mgedmin | sfdisk has no ui, I'd say |
| 14:46.20 | slonopotamus | Jucato: you may try |
| 14:46.21 | TomaszD | mems, *sigh*, oh you tracker you |
| 14:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: sure it has |
| 14:46.40 | h4xordood | sfdisk is harder i must say |
| 14:46.44 | h4xordood | fdisk is easier |
| 14:46.50 | Jucato | I'm getting linking errors when building on FREMANTLE_X86, but no errors in _ARMEL. a few hours ago, I got the same errors in _ARMEL but not in _X86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtGui.so when searching for -lQtGui |
| 14:47.05 | slonopotamus | mgedmin: i wonder why all maemo tutorials use it instead of cfdisk |
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| 14:47.16 | h4xordood | Jucato: u got n900 liar :P |
| 14:47.19 | Jucato | (I reinstalled the sdk after the first ARMEL errors, now it reversed itself >.<) |
| 14:47.22 | TomaszD | mems, reboot and start the media player |
| 14:47.31 | Jucato | h4xordood: so? I have the SDK :P |
| 14:47.38 | h4xordood | :D |
| 14:47.48 | TomaszD | mems, I'll be back in some time, should work now, you could try re-indexing if it still doesn't |
| 14:47.49 | slonopotamus | Jucato: mixed arches somewhere? |
| 14:47.56 | mgedmin | is cfdisk preinstalled on a n900? |
| 14:48.04 | mems | TomaszD: OK, thanks. rebooting it now. |
| 14:48.08 | mgedmin | it's not |
| 14:48.09 | tybollt | mgedmin: no |
| 14:48.10 | mgedmin | therefore |
| 14:48.10 | h4xordood | mgedmin: no |
| 14:48.19 | Jucato | slonopotamus: looks like it. but I wonder where/how to find out |
| 14:48.21 | tybollt | mgedmin: I apt-get installed it and ... -> EPIC FAIL |
| 14:48.21 | slonopotamus | mgedmin: no, but at least for maemo4 it is in repos |
| 14:48.22 | h4xordood | i think its is extra-devel |
| 14:48.30 | jacekowski | my battery just died |
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| 14:48.40 | mgedmin | usb cable + use your favourite fdisk tool on your computer |
| 14:48.48 | tybollt | mgedmin: it prints something to the screen then clears the screen prior to it being readable |
| 14:49.08 | tybollt | mgedmin: case you manage to make it work - do tell |
| 14:49.13 | mgedmin | make what work? |
| 14:49.23 | tybollt | cfdisk |
| 14:49.25 | mgedmin | cfdisk on maemo? wasn't planning to |
| 14:49.47 | h4xordood | Jucato: do u use scratch box ? |
| 14:49.49 | h4xordood | :) |
| 14:50.06 | Jucato | h4xordood: that's what the SDK uses, yes |
| 14:50.23 | h4xordood | i dont know how to install that one :) |
| 14:50.31 | slonopotamus | tybollt: point it at device |
| 14:50.33 | h4xordood | i downloaded latest one |
| 14:50.48 | slonopotamus | tybollt: cfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
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| 14:51.10 | tybollt | slonopotamus: hmm olrite will try |
| 14:51.29 | tybollt | anyway I'd love the regular fdisk command |
| 14:51.32 | tybollt | not the sfdisk |
| 14:51.35 | tybollt | but meh... |
| 14:52.12 | Jucato | sigh >.< |
| 14:52.39 | slonopotamus | my 32gb sd card has 977024 "cylinders" :) |
| 14:52.41 | slonopotamus | cool :) |
| 14:53.13 | SpeedEvil | The cylinders are a lie! |
| 14:53.40 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 14:53.47 | luke-jr | Isn't it a lie on real disks too? |
| 14:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# apt-cache search fdisk |
| 14:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | cfdisk - curses based disk drive partitioning program |
| 14:54.10 | SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: Cylinders have been a lie since disks hit perhaps 120M |
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| 14:54.25 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: pretty sure SSD have no round edges |
| 14:54.29 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: as i said, it's available in repos |
| 14:54.31 | luke-jr | at least not cylinders |
| 14:54.49 | luke-jr | unless they have a capacitor for something |
| 14:55.02 | Jucato | wth? O.o ---> file /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2 /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2: symbolic link to `/opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2' |
| 14:55.03 | Jucato | file /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2 /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 14:55.09 | luke-jr | in any case, there's no room for 977,024 cylinders in a MMC card |
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| 14:55.21 | Jucato | ok how do I fix that? seems to be something wrong with sb-conf select? |
| 14:55.28 | luke-jr | Jucato: looks fine to me? |
| 14:55.42 | Jucato | luke-jr: I'm on FREMANTLE_X86 :) |
| 14:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | Jucato: what's wrong? |
| 14:55.56 | luke-jr | Jucato: well, *that* is your problem |
| 14:56.04 | luke-jr | Jucato: don't use x86 and you'll be fine |
| 14:56.14 | Jucato | DocScrutinizer: I'm getting linking errors when building on FREMANTLE_X86, but no errors in _ARMEL. a few hours ago, I got the same errors in _ARMEL but not in _X86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtGui.so when searching for -lQtGui |
| 14:56.30 | slonopotamus | don't use maemo sdk and you'll be much more fine :) |
| 14:56.37 | Jucato | luke-jr: yeah but for testing with the emulator (in Xephyr), I need to |
| 14:56.45 | Jucato | slonopotamus: er ... what am I supposed to use? |
| 14:56.52 | luke-jr | Jucato: nonsense |
| 14:56.56 | slonopotamus | Jucato: joking :) |
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| 14:57.13 | Jucato | luke-jr: nonsense? |
| 14:57.29 | luke-jr | Jucato: it's not an emulator if it needs special bins |
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| 14:57.44 | luke-jr | just build and run natively |
| 14:57.51 | slonopotamus | Jucato: you either need to find why it doesn't switch or just stick to one target. no reason to switch them often |
| 14:57.54 | Jucato | um .. ok ... |
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| 14:58.19 | Jucato | luke-jr: "The ARMEL target should not be used for application testing and just for cross compiling. The target is not meant to support this. Please use for any other use than cross-compiling the X86 target. " - http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#How_can_I_avoid_.22qemu.22_error_messages_of_.22af-sb-init_start.22_in_ARMEL_target.3F |
| 14:59.16 | luke-jr | Jucato: don't use maemo sdk and you'll be much more fine ⺠|
| 14:59.16 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 14:59.21 | Jucato | ... |
| 14:59.27 | Jucato | um thanks, I guess .. |
| 14:59.52 | slonopotamus | Jucato: at least i gave you a hint about wrong arch :P |
| 15:00.14 | Jucato | to make a long story short, if you don't have a device yet, don't even bother/dream/try of doing any sort of development ... because the SDK is not recommended |
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| 15:00.23 | Jucato | and you should be running/building them natively |
| 15:00.49 | luke-jr | Jucato: Qt development is in theory the same regardless of testing and target OS |
| 15:00.54 | luke-jr | just develop Qt natively |
| 15:01.07 | luke-jr | you can recompile for Maemo later if you want |
| 15:01.48 | Jucato | luke-jr: ok. any ideas on how to control an ADP1653 LED flash on any OS then? |
| 15:02.42 | slonopotamus | Jucato: how you plan to do that in sdk? |
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| 15:03.45 | Jucato | slonopotamus: I just wanted to test if it will even build? then I presume I'll need to cross-compile later to build a package (iirc that's what happened with the Diablo SDK) for testing when I get a device or ask a friend |
| 15:04.32 | Jucato | but that one about the flash was more for luke-jr's ... "advice" |
| 15:04.35 | GAN900 | People keep inviting me to join their LinkedIn networks. |
| 15:04.54 | GAN900 | The think they don't seem to understand is that I'm LAZY. |
| 15:05.04 | GAN900 | etrunko. :P |
| 15:05.11 | slonopotamus | Jucato: you can just upload to autobuilder |
| 15:05.27 | slonopotamus | Jucato: instead of setting up armel target |
| 15:05.53 | etrunko | GAN900: i'd be lazier than you, your name just appeared on the suggestions |
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| 15:06.13 | etrunko | ok, this one i know, this one i don't, and so on |
| 15:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | moo GAN900 |
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| 15:12.36 | visz | ahha |
| 15:12.41 | visz | a spare battery for my n900 |
| 15:12.45 | visz | this will come handy |
| 15:13.25 | mems | TomaszD: now media player contains no files at all :( |
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| 15:15.09 | jacekowski | now wait |
| 15:15.15 | jacekowski | tracker should reprocess them |
| 15:15.29 | jacekowski | it'll probably happen withing couple hours |
| 15:15.29 | mems | jacekowski: nah, it's been like this for half an hour |
| 15:15.35 | jacekowski | depending on size of collection |
| 15:15.35 | mems | and tracker is idle |
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| 15:15.47 | jacekowski | touch some files in that folder |
| 15:15.51 | mems | (have rebooted, restarted, beaten tracker etc) |
| 15:17.03 | xautherr | whenever i ssh from n810 maemo, i get "no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding". My server says display is on :1.0, and n810 display :0.0, how do i get ssh forwarding with -X or -Y to work? |
| 15:18.05 | slonopotamus | xautherr: cool nickname :) |
| 15:18.20 | xautherr | slonopotamus: thanks |
| 15:18.27 | slonopotamus | xautherr: maybe one of sides doesn't have xauth? |
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| 15:18.40 | xautherr | i just installed xauth on n810, let me check server |
| 15:19.02 | xautherr | both have the newest version |
| 15:19.46 | xautherr | maybe i need to restart n810 after installation of xauth, let me try that |
| 15:19.52 | slonopotamus | unlikely |
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| 15:20.01 | slonopotamus | it's not windows after all |
| 15:20.24 | xautherr | maybe /etc/init.d/openbox restart or something on n810 |
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| 15:21.19 | xautherr | nope, restart didn't fix it |
| 15:21.39 | slonopotamus | xautherr: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X-Forwarding#No_xauth_data |
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| 15:22.17 | xautherr | i'll try that link, brb |
| 15:23.13 | slonopotamus | xautherr: and i'd first try with openssh on both ends. |
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| 15:24.04 | jacekowski | ssh xforwarding requires X to listen on tcp |
| 15:24.25 | jacekowski | and that's not the case |
| 15:24.35 | xautherr | nope, did not help |
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| 15:24.49 | jacekowski | it's not going to work |
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| 15:25.08 | mgedmin | ssh -X from a nokia to a different machine used to work for me |
| 15:25.18 | mgedmin | ssh -X from a normal machine into a nokia always failed |
| 15:25.27 | xautherr | slonopotamus: i can ssh X11 forward to other servers, but not this one, i think because display defaults to 1.0 on Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 15:26.16 | GAN900 | etrunko, ah, I see now. ;) |
| 15:26.23 | xautherr | mgedmin: i can ssh out to different machines from the nokia, and inwards, but for one server i cannot forward X11, yet the sshd_config shows it and other computers can ssh into that server and X11 forward |
| 15:26.23 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hey-ho. |
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| 15:26.35 | mgedmin | is xauth installed on that server? |
| 15:26.50 | xautherr | mgedmin: says its the latest version on both |
| 15:27.02 | mgedmin | hm |
| 15:27.11 | mgedmin | bad permissions on ~/.Xauthority? |
| 15:27.15 | xautherr | i did a find /usr -name xauth and it shows on each also |
| 15:27.21 | mgedmin | (on the server, not on the nokia) |
| 15:27.38 | xautherr | mgedmin: if it is, i must be on nokia, because i can ssh into the server from other machines and X11 forward |
| 15:27.45 | mgedmin | ah |
| 15:27.57 | mgedmin | but you can ssh from the nokia into a different server and have X11 forwarding work? |
| 15:28.04 | xautherr | yes |
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| 15:29.28 | xautherr | i personally think its the display on the server defaulting to :1.0 and nokia ssh doesn't know how to handle that, only display :10.0 |
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| 15:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | frowns on *# download statistics going down the drain, despite http://mwkn.net/2010/30/announce.html |
| 15:31.39 | xautherr | do you think i have to export Display Auth variable? |
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| 15:34.00 | crashanddie | did you modify the display variable? |
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| 15:38.48 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not many people really need these codes |
| 15:38.56 | jacekowski | not many people know they exist |
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| 15:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 15:53.36 | Corsac | hmhm, is there an app which extracts contacts stats from el-v1.db? |
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| 16:19.15 | alterego | Got my draggable view switcher container widget working :) |
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| 16:19.29 | MohammadAG | that's one fucking long name |
| 16:19.46 | alterego | DraggableViewArea :P |
| 16:20.08 | MohammadAG | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/me/en/ho/WF06b/321957-321957-3329744-64354-64354-4166202-4207865.html any thoughts/recommendations? |
| 16:20.23 | MohammadAG | need to get rid of this junk excuse for a laptop |
| 16:21.02 | alterego | Looks small, |
| 16:21.07 | alterego | Is it a netbook? :) |
| 16:21.21 | alterego | Not sure I could cope with the screen resolution |
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| 16:21.30 | Kegetys | If you dont want junk, going for cheap HP models is propably not the best choice :) |
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| 16:21.54 | MohammadAG | alterego, nah, it's just small |
| 16:22.04 | alterego | 13" |
| 16:22.07 | alterego | Yeah, not bad. |
| 16:22.08 | MohammadAG | Kegetys, it's not exactly cheap :P |
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| 16:22.41 | alterego | Mines 15" 1920x1200 |
| 16:22.59 | alterego | I paid extra for a high resolution screen |
| 16:23.04 | alterego | But boy was it worth it .. |
| 16:23.09 | MohammadAG | hmm, just noticed the screen res |
| 16:23.10 | Kegetys | pavilion is the cheapest hp line isn't it |
| 16:23.11 | MohammadAG | it's kinda crap |
| 16:23.19 | alterego | That's what I said :P |
| 16:23.21 | MohammadAG | it's the only line afaik |
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| 16:23.36 | MohammadAG | my current laptop's 1024x768 |
| 16:23.55 | MohammadAG | and that doesn't even display wiki.maemo.org properly |
| 16:24.00 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:24.11 | Kegetys | they have the probooks and something else as well |
| 16:24.16 | alterego | was expecting you to say "My current laptop is 800x480" ;) |
| 16:24.30 | alterego | Are you buying into the US? |
| 16:24.33 | MohammadAG | tbh I like this tablet, but... it's too slow |
| 16:24.37 | Kegetys | elitebook too |
| 16:24.40 | MohammadAG | no |
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| 16:24.45 | alterego | Where? |
| 16:24.50 | Kegetys | and compaq |
| 16:24.51 | MohammadAG | Jordan/Israel |
| 16:24.55 | MohammadAG | doesn't really matter :P |
| 16:25.06 | MohammadAG | so what's better than HP? |
| 16:25.11 | MohammadAG | don't say Dell, |
| 16:25.23 | MohammadAG | I hate their shittops and crappy customer service |
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| 16:25.51 | Kegetys | my asus is fine, wish it had a better screen though but 99% of laptop have a junk screen anyway |
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| 16:26.03 | E0x | i really like the thinkpad |
| 16:26.13 | svuorela | is looking for mBarcode people or bugtracker. can anyone hand me a pointer (void*) |
| 16:26.16 | MohammadAG | hmm, I doubt those have good CPUs |
| 16:26.36 | MohammadAG | I need an i5, at the very least |
| 16:26.39 | lcuk | svuorela, lardman is principle dev, but he is on his jollies |
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| 16:26.51 | GAN900 | Laptops suck |
| 16:26.57 | GAN900 | Desktop/N900. :P |
| 16:26.58 | svuorela | lcuk: 'jollies' ? |
| 16:27.03 | MohammadAG | holidays |
| 16:27.06 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, MBP. |
| 16:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | nah, Panasonic toughbooks are for real geeks :-D |
| 16:27.14 | MohammadAG | GAN900, apple, meh |
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| 16:27.34 | Kegetys | all manufacturers propably have i5 models available these days |
| 16:27.38 | MohammadAG | GAN900, actually, scratchbox sucks more for taking down my i5 desktop |
| 16:27.55 | svuorela | ..is it just for me that mBarcode has regressed in the latest versions to not read datamatrix any longer ? |
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| 16:28.17 | lcuk | svuorela, ooer |
| 16:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | CF-27 is better than a baseball bat for selfdefense |
| 16:28.46 | svuorela | lcuk: eh ? |
| 16:28.55 | lcuk | regressions are bad |
| 16:30.01 | svuorela | lcuk: especially given my latest blog post ... :) |
| 16:31.00 | lcuk | svuorela, since I am not a mind reader and contrary to popular opinion, I do not see the whole web |
| 16:31.07 | lcuk | where would I find your blog post |
| 16:31.18 | svuorela | pusling.com/blog |
| 16:31.36 | svuorela | (available on planet kde and planet debian) |
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| 16:32.50 | achipa | MohammadAG: er... thinkpads ? |
| 16:33.04 | MohammadAG | aren't those IBMs? |
| 16:33.15 | achipa | ducks under safe-looking cover that turns out to be made out of cardboard and have written lenovo over them |
| 16:33.38 | lcuk | svuorela, are you making that a live plasmoid for 0 click barcodeability |
| 16:33.44 | MohammadAG | heh, someone else mentioned them not me |
| 16:33.51 | achipa | MohammadAG, used to be IBM, Lenovo nowadays |
| 16:33.58 | svuorela | lcuk: no. it is part of the clipboard handling, so it requires two click. |
| 16:34.08 | lcuk | requires? |
| 16:34.17 | svuorela | lcuk: or knowing your shortcuts |
| 16:34.25 | lcuk | ctrl + c |
| 16:34.31 | MohammadAG | anyways I just need a laptop with a good gfx card (not for gaming tbh, but still), and a good CPU that can compile a kernel quick |
| 16:34.34 | lcuk | and barcode should show |
| 16:34.38 | lcuk | on desktop |
| 16:34.46 | lcuk | representing whats in clipboard? |
| 16:34.46 | svuorela | lcuk: nah. that would be a nightmare. |
| 16:34.51 | Trizt | MohammadAG; Bullfrog? |
| 16:34.57 | lcuk | svuorela, why? |
| 16:35.09 | lcuk | it should actually show more in more places |
| 16:35.10 | MohammadAG | Trizt, err? |
| 16:35.14 | lcuk | does barcodes over irc |
| 16:35.15 | achipa | MohammadAG: ok, good gfx =/= thinkpad... but is quite okay in the cpu department |
| 16:35.25 | svuorela | lcuk: because only like 1 of 300 copy items is interesting to see as a barcode |
| 16:35.36 | MohammadAG | achipa, but... why thinkpads? |
| 16:35.51 | lcuk | svuorela, shameful http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png |
| 16:36.03 | achipa | MohammadAG: the red nipple has a hypnotizing effect |
| 16:36.13 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 16:36.20 | lcuk | achipa, do you have a normal nipple or an inverted one? |
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| 16:36.57 | achipa | lcuk: I have a set of 5 differently shaped nipples, not counting the built in ones |
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| 16:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: google toughbook cf-19 |
| 16:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 16:37.24 | Trizt | MohammadAG; http://www.gdc4s.com/content/detail.cfm?item=4f9561a4-029e-4df6-ad20-20acca70bd7a&page=28 |
| 16:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | droptest certified 180cm, IP65 water resistent |
| 16:38.33 | MohammadAG | ugh, damn internet's so slow here |
| 16:38.38 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: is there an alternative that is just well built, but not weighing like a lead brick ? I promise not to take it to any battlefields. |
| 16:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | harddisk heating :-P |
| 16:39.01 | MohammadAG | +30 mins to install vlc |
| 16:39.07 | achipa | still looking at an alternative to X201, but there don't seem to be any |
| 16:40.15 | achipa | and the dastardly X201 costs like an arm (not ARM) and two legs and a house |
| 16:41.59 | crashanddie | lcuk: || | | | || || || |
| 16:42.11 | achipa | crashanddie: is that your keyboard layout ? |
| 16:42.20 | crashanddie | achipa: | |
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| 16:42.46 | achipa | now, this either something very funny or a font/cp that is not rendered by my irc client ;) |
| 16:43.05 | lcuk | barcodes over irc |
| 16:43.23 | lcuk | the CRC does not compute tho :p |
| 16:43.36 | achipa | doesn't seem to work, it's too thin |
| 16:43.50 | achipa | :P |
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| 16:55.33 | alterego | I've found Dell to be realy good with laptops, though I wouldn't get anything else from them .. |
| 16:55.45 | alterego | I bought a cheap 9cell battery for my XPS |
| 16:55.52 | alterego | 30 quid, bargain :) |
| 16:56.11 | alterego | Got a replacement screen for my Mini 9 after my girlfriend stood on it. |
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| 16:58.29 | TomaszD | I'm thinking about replacing this 15,4 screen with a wuxga matte |
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| 16:58.40 | TomaszD | glare is getting *old* |
| 16:58.46 | achipa | alterego: depends on your support requirements, I guess. Mine is that I should never ever need support, if I do, I'm in trouble :) |
| 16:59.06 | alterego | achipa: I've never needed support from Dell |
| 16:59.31 | alterego | I was lucky though, apparently some of the earlier revisions of the M1530 had a defective nVidia graphics chip |
| 16:59.38 | alterego | But that wasn't Dell's fault tbh. |
| 16:59.52 | alterego | TomaszD: I still quite like the glossy .. |
| 17:00.10 | alterego | Blacks look blacker to me. |
| 17:00.13 | GAN900 | alterego, ouch. |
| 17:00.23 | TomaszD | alterego, IMHO the person who invented them things should hang |
| 17:00.28 | TomaszD | but that's just IMHO |
| 17:01.41 | alterego | I've had my M1530 about 2 1/2 years, no issues with it, though now some of the keys are a little worn and there's a small 1x2mm chip that I accidentally caused whilst throwing my phone onto my bed. |
| 17:01.50 | alterego | It bounced up and went flying into the laptop screen :/ |
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| 17:02.44 | Trewas | funny that in the end of the CRT era they marketed anti-glare screens and now adding extra-glare is worth lots of marketing bucks |
| 17:03.10 | achipa | Trewas: it's always what you DONT have |
| 17:03.45 | TomaszD | laptops with glare screens look better on shop shelves |
| 17:03.48 | achipa | Trewas: I'm silently expecting 4:3 to make a comeback, as you know, someone will discover you have more vertical space |
| 17:03.51 | TomaszD | there was no other way |
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| 17:04.15 | alterego | achipa: well, look at tables, they're taking wide aspect vertical ;) |
| 17:04.20 | alterego | For good reason. |
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| 17:04.30 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 17:04.33 | alterego | Laptops however I'm not sure if they'll ever go back the way of 4:3 |
| 17:04.35 | achipa | TomaszD: color ARE better on some models, but the reflection thing is so bad it kills any advantage |
| 17:04.39 | alterego | I meant tablets .. |
| 17:04.43 | MohammadAG | mine is 4:3 :P |
| 17:04.52 | TomaszD | achipa, indeed |
| 17:05.01 | TomaszD | glare is good for basement dwellers |
| 17:05.10 | TomaszD | I need sunlight readability |
| 17:05.22 | Kegetys | I wish they'd at least stick with 16:10 instead of 19:9 crap |
| 17:05.30 | Kegetys | 16:9 |
| 17:05.42 | TomaszD | hah, that's why I'm sticking with my almost 3-year old 16:10 laptop |
| 17:06.18 | achipa | sunlight ? a lit window is enough, people already treat me like a weirdo because I have to position the laptop like Sheldon finds his spot on the sofa... |
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| 17:06.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:06.38 | achipa | though the weirdo part might be because of the linux thing :P |
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| 17:06.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:07.13 | TomaszD | 16:9 is not terrible if it's 1920x1080, but those expensive models with 1366x768 15.6 inchers... really annoying |
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| 17:07.50 | alschroe | hey is there an update on playing 720p videos on the n900? |
| 17:08.01 | TomaszD | that's why I'm eyeing a wuxga 1920x1200 15,4 incher |
| 17:08.12 | TomaszD | alschroe, no. |
| 17:08.26 | alschroe | so not possible ? |
| 17:08.31 | alschroe | sucks |
| 17:08.38 | achipa | alschroe: you wouldn't be able to tell if it was 720p anyway |
| 17:08.41 | Trewas | the screen is 480p so whats the point |
| 17:08.48 | alschroe | I hate resizing them before watching |
| 17:08.53 | TomaszD | the only point is transcoding |
| 17:08.54 | TomaszD | right |
| 17:09.14 | achipa | alschroe: download the standard divx size and voila |
| 17:09.31 | alschroe | yeah and if i am at a friends i only have the small file to share |
| 17:09.43 | achipa | a fate worse than death, surely :) |
| 17:10.06 | alschroe | even worse than living ! |
| 17:10.11 | TomaszD | you could try using mplayer or vlc |
| 17:10.19 | achipa | then download both, plenty of space |
| 17:10.31 | alschroe | TomaszD: nope doesn't work as far as i know |
| 17:10.42 | TomaszD | it does work, but badly :) |
| 17:10.48 | achipa | alschroe: so you want to share them or watch them ? |
| 17:11.50 | alschroe | watch em on my n900 when I am on the road but when I stay at a friends place and we decide to "watch a movie" its good to have one in your pocket |
| 17:12.42 | achipa | but why 720p then ? I mean, you could say you want 1080p playback then :) |
| 17:13.48 | achipa | but, not to nitpick, that is not what the N900's processor is made for, so no, no 720p |
| 17:14.12 | achipa | s/processor/SoC/g |
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| 17:27.25 | alschroe | achipa: I would be happy with 1080p |
| 17:27.40 | alschroe | but maybe you can help me get the max |
| 17:27.57 | alschroe | whats the perfect size for the n900 |
| 17:27.58 | alschroe | ? |
| 17:28.26 | achipa | alschroe: 800x480 :) |
| 17:28.44 | alschroe | :) |
| 17:29.01 | alschroe | if you say it like that it makes me look stupid :( |
| 17:29.25 | achipa | it *can* decode higher res than that, though, but it depends on a lot of things if it's watchable |
| 17:29.33 | SpeedEvil | alschroe: yes. |
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| 17:30.09 | inz | And if you're watching it on the N900, there's no quality gains from higher resolution |
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| 17:30.33 | achipa | alschroe: because even the video you record on the cam is higher res than that |
| 17:31.00 | achipa | alschroe: but the problem with 720p material is that it will be too much of a bitrate, and of a wrong profile |
| 17:31.33 | SpeedEvil | The video recorded from the cam is almost always jerky for me |
| 17:31.50 | achipa | so you could probably craft a 720p file that plays back... but if you're transcoding anyway, why bother... |
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| 17:33.02 | achipa | SpeedEvil: just recording, or playback, too ? |
| 17:33.19 | SpeedEvil | recording |
| 17:33.43 | achipa | that's 'normal', idiot tracker and other processes clog write IO |
| 17:35.14 | achipa | I just don't know when will someone finally realize that those metalayer-crawler/trackerd/whateveryoucallit are simply the wrong approach, media should not be processed until it is requested or the device is in standby |
| 17:35.31 | MohammadAG | just like symbian |
| 17:35.48 | MohammadAG | trackerd kicks in when the battery's low here xD |
| 17:36.12 | luke-jr | achipa: it'd work fine if they used a sane I/O layer |
| 17:36.24 | achipa | MohammadAG: you don't want to know how often I curse trackerd (and how juicy those curses are) |
| 17:36.33 | RST38h | moo. |
| 17:36.48 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Did I link you to the mention of fbreader on the radio? |
| 17:36.55 | SpeedEvil | Oh - it's probably died. |
| 17:37.03 | RST38h | no, not really |
| 17:37.10 | RST38h | but fbreader not my project anyway |
| 17:37.14 | achipa | luke-jr: sure, better IO would help but even then, trackkers and thumbnailers SHOULD NOT INTERFERE with operation |
| 17:37.35 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 17:38.03 | MohammadAG | why is IO so slow on the N900 btw |
| 17:38.29 | luke-jr | achipa: they wouldn't, if IO worked sane |
| 17:38.37 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: because it's SSD crap |
| 17:38.51 | MohammadAG | shouldn't SSD be fast? |
| 17:38.53 | luke-jr | SSD is slow |
| 17:38.57 | achipa | luke-jr: how so ? |
| 17:38.58 | luke-jr | at least small SSD |
| 17:39.07 | SpeedEvil | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t384n#synopsis 20:16 |
| 17:39.09 | achipa | it's not SSD |
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| 17:39.31 | luke-jr | achipa: a sane IO layer would prioritize actual user interaction over backgroud stuff |
| 17:39.34 | luke-jr | it is SSD |
| 17:39.35 | SpeedEvil | SD and MMC cards fundamentally have unpredictable delays. |
| 17:39.54 | SpeedEvil | Up to a second or even more worst case for a block write |
| 17:40.09 | achipa | luke-jr: no, it's not helping, here's an example: |
| 17:40.36 | achipa | luke-jr: I copy over a video to my N900 via USB, disconnect it, start media player and try to watch it |
| 17:41.16 | achipa | luke-jr: this results in massive suckage because all the daemons kick in to generate thumbnails and whatnot - which ARE show by the media player |
| 17:41.31 | luke-jr | achipa: that's because it sucks at prioritizing things |
| 17:41.48 | achipa | luke-jr: so there is no easy way to tell what's really background and what's waited upon |
| 17:41.56 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: do you know how to flash n900 with usb cable? |
| 17:42.04 | luke-jr | achipa: ⦠of course there is |
| 17:42.12 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: with phoenix |
| 17:42.35 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: uhm, same way as flasher-3.5 does it |
| 17:42.46 | Stskeeps | the alternative version is cold flash |
| 17:42.52 | jacekowski | with usb cable? |
| 17:42.58 | jacekowski | or i need flashing jig? |
| 17:43.03 | Stskeeps | afaik phoenix doesn't do anything shiny |
| 17:43.08 | achipa | luke-jr: err, it's not a technical problem. There is genuinely no way to tell whether a user is waiting to see a thumbnail or thinking what he'll pick |
| 17:43.09 | Stskeeps | (i dont have phoenix) |
| 17:43.12 | lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 |
| 17:43.13 | povbot | Bug 6108: tracker takes cpu and time when scanning media |
| 17:43.28 | lcuk | i believe actually its very cured compared to reported result |
| 17:43.30 | jacekowski | how do you coldflash it then? |
| 17:43.39 | lcuk | nas not noticed such lengthy delays recently |
| 17:44.26 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.43 | achipa | lcuk: depends on the quantity of the video material |
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| 17:45.18 | achipa | lcuk: add 20 clips and you'll see a countdown timer - that's the one I hate most. That's not even prioritizing - that's plain dumb. |
| 17:45.21 | luke-jr | achipa: if he's waiting, then idle time = 100% |
| 17:45.23 | lcuk | achipa, using same type of movies i dont notice delays as such whenever i move stuff over |
| 17:46.07 | achipa | luke-jr: and then you start thumbnailing and he picks a video... and then gstreamer turns into gscreamer |
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| 17:46.27 | luke-jr | achipa: you clearly don't have a clue |
| 17:46.28 | achipa | lcuk: it *might* be codec dependent |
| 17:46.38 | achipa | luke-jr: granted |
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| 17:49.49 | Trewas | it often takes a minute or two for n900 to scan and thumbnail new videos, it is quite stupid as it does not even show the video thumbnails anywhere... |
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| 17:50.09 | lcuk | achipa, biggest issue with things like this is that most folks are unwilling/unable to upload video files to confirm fixes |
| 17:50.25 | lcuk | and/or reproduce bug |
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| 17:51.23 | achipa | lcuk: it's a bit... unwieldy. but I agree it's a not overly well reported/reproducable issue |
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| 17:52.44 | achipa | lcuk: there was also the issue of gstreamer/dsp/whoever being picky/poisoned, i.e. not acting the same way if previously played back certain videos - those are the hardest to reproduce as you have to find what you watched BEFORE that might trigger the issues |
| 17:52.45 | luke-jr | Photos won't show me anything anymore |
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| 18:08.51 | frals | hmm |
| 18:09.03 | frals | any way to get cameras default save dir? |
| 18:09.54 | lcuk | /home/user/Mydocs/DCIM or if oyu have an MMC, then that |
| 18:10.14 | Khertan | Hello All ! |
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| 18:11.41 | lcuk | hey there Khertan \o |
| 18:11.45 | lcuk | how goes it |
| 18:11.52 | Khertan | fine and you lcuk ? |
| 18:12.06 | frals | lcuk: any magic place where camera saves the location so i dont have to check if mmc is present? :P |
| 18:12.19 | lcuk | good Khertan |
| 18:12.36 | lcuk | frals, its just a folder, if the mmc/DCIM is missing, default to MyDocs version? |
| 18:12.44 | lcuk | thats how I think it works :$ |
| 18:12.47 | jacekowski | hmm, i just wiped bootloader |
| 18:12.52 | lcuk | might be completely wrong |
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| 18:14.02 | luke-jr | jacekowski: fail |
| 18:14.42 | kerio | jacekowski: nice |
| 18:14.58 | kerio | didn't you do that some time ago? |
| 18:15.13 | jacekowski | no |
| 18:15.45 | crashanddie | salut Khertan |
| 18:16.35 | Khertan | frals, gconftool-2 -R /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings |
| 18:16.42 | Khertan | storage-device = 1 |
| 18:16.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:16.47 | Khertan | salut crashanddie |
| 18:16.52 | frals | Khertan: cheers |
| 18:16.57 | luke-jr | salutes crashanddie |
| 18:17.09 | frals | might as well do if isdir(mmc1/DCIM) then :D |
| 18:17.22 | lcuk | lol |
| 18:17.35 | lcuk | thanks Khertan \o |
| 18:17.37 | Khertan | :) |
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| 18:18.01 | Khertan | when i didn't found any conf file for something in my n900 |
| 18:18.04 | crashanddie | hiya luke-jr |
| 18:18.15 | Khertan | i use gconftool-2 -R | grep whatisearch |
| 18:18.16 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:18.26 | luke-jr | hi |
| 18:18.27 | Khertan | i use gconftool-2 -R / | grep whatisearch |
| 18:18.59 | Khertan | hate gconf |
| 18:19.00 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:19.08 | mortini | srs |
| 18:19.28 | lcuk | awesome Khertan |
| 18:19.29 | mortini | i like the idea, but it's a pain to work with, kind of like the hal bits |
| 18:19.35 | dunz0r | Can I somehow with any amount of hacking/soldering/etc connect things like usb keyboards or other usb stuff to my N900? |
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| 18:19.52 | lcuk | dunz0r, do not underestimate the power of superglue |
| 18:19.57 | dunz0r | He. |
| 18:20.04 | pronto | i'm not sure about you, but i wouldnt want to solder stuff to a $500 phone |
| 18:20.22 | Khertan | usb stuff .... hum ... Just need a cable ? |
| 18:20.23 | kerio | lol |
| 18:20.24 | kerio | du |
| 18:20.24 | kerio | er |
| 18:20.25 | lcuk | has seen someone with a melted n900 after an "experiment" |
| 18:20.39 | E0x | in theory with generic host mode will be posible |
| 18:20.41 | dunz0r | pronto: Well, Ok. Me neither. I meant building some adapter-power-supplier-thing |
| 18:20.48 | E0x | but not sure the progress of the project |
| 18:20.51 | pronto | ah |
| 18:21.00 | Khertan | mine fly by the window car as my experimental car holder didn't grip well |
| 18:21.03 | kerio | dunz0r: usb host works somewhat |
| 18:21.03 | kerio | but it's not ready |
| 18:21.06 | lcuk | dunz0r, the USB hostmode stuff is a bit stalled but theoretically feasible with some driver hits |
| 18:21.14 | dunz0r | Hmm :) |
| 18:21.28 | dunz0r | If it's just a power issue, I'll just build an adaptor. |
| 18:21.33 | kerio | Khertan: did it work afterwards |
| 18:21.34 | lcuk | realistically, BT hookup would be more viable atm |
| 18:21.35 | kerio | ? |
| 18:21.54 | kerio | lcuk: usb-over-bluetooth! |
| 18:21.57 | lcuk | did someone get serial comms working out of the ports under battery? |
| 18:21.59 | kerio | it's brilliant |
| 18:22.01 | Khertan | kerio, yep ... just drop on grass ... |
| 18:22.07 | lcuk | kerio, arduino unit uses it |
| 18:22.11 | dunz0r | lcuk: Unfortunately, there aren't alot of bt-to-usb-thingies |
| 18:22.18 | dunz0r | Not that I know of anyway. |
| 18:22.22 | Khertan | grass in a swamp |
| 18:22.24 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:22.24 | lcuk | not necessarily usb |
| 18:22.30 | lcuk | but serial |
| 18:22.36 | Khertan | or wifi ! |
| 18:22.39 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:22.44 | dunz0r | Well... I can't connect a usb monitor to serial :) |
| 18:22.55 | lcuk | sends and recieves data using screen and camera |
| 18:23.12 | Khertan | dunz0r, why not ... |
| 18:23.12 | dunz0r | I can buy a portable TV instead... but it's not the same thing. |
| 18:23.19 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:23.35 | dunz0r | Khertan: I don't think there's enough bandwidth. Otherwise I would have no problem with it :) |
| 18:23.44 | Khertan | dunz0r, true |
| 18:23.55 | lcuk | dunz0r, if you understand USB at a low level kernel then the guys making hostmode could do with some help |
| 18:24.24 | dunz0r | lcuk: Depends on how lowlevel you mean. |
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| 18:24.31 | Khertan | someone have try meego handset on his n900 ? |
| 18:24.43 | dunz0r | I know how it works, but I don't have the inner understandings of protocols and such. |
| 18:24.45 | lcuk | dunz0r, kernel driver state transition table kind of low level |
| 18:24.52 | Khertan | i would like to try my first meego apps :) |
| 18:25.06 | dunz0r | Aha, not that lowlevel unfortunately. |
| 18:25.12 | tripzero | speaking of meego |
| 18:25.18 | dunz0r | I have no problems testing stuff though. |
| 18:25.22 | tripzero | the latter widgetsgallery doesn't install |
| 18:25.25 | tripzero | needs qt4.7 |
| 18:25.35 | lcuk | 4.7 is in -devel afaik |
| 18:25.37 | tripzero | which is silly |
| 18:25.42 | tripzero | extras devel? |
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| 18:25.46 | dunz0r | wants usb host mode so he can buy a mimo monitor and have the coolest laptop ever |
| 18:25.49 | lcuk | nods |
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| 18:26.00 | tripzero | lcuk, i don't think its there |
| 18:26.07 | lcuk | dunz0r, you have n900 - ergo, you already have the coolest laptop ever |
| 18:26.10 | tripzero | libmeegotouch is in extras devel too |
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| 18:26.35 | tripzero | it claims qt4.7 is "unavailable" |
| 18:27.47 | lcuk | hmms |
| 18:27.55 | frals | hmm |
| 18:28.11 | Khertan | hm |
| 18:28.12 | frals | is setting default dir when attaching image for mms to camera dir a good idea or not? |
| 18:28.13 | tripzero | checks again |
| 18:28.39 | Khertan | frals i would say ... no |
| 18:28.47 | tripzero | wants to run meego apps on maemo... |
| 18:29.03 | frals | Khertan: why not? :) |
| 18:29.07 | lcuk | libqt4-experimental-gui |
| 18:29.10 | tripzero | yells at nokia: "fix ur libmeegotouch-dev package!!" |
| 18:29.12 | lcuk | ahhhs |
| 18:29.24 | lcuk | tripzero, yell louder :) |
| 18:29.30 | Khertan | frals, keep the last used folder for attaching mms image |
| 18:29.35 | tripzero | can't, i'm out of breath now |
| 18:29.41 | lcuk | frals, yes |
| 18:29.46 | frals | Khertan: good idea |
| 18:29.52 | lcuk | but retain selection during a session? |
| 18:29.54 | lcuk | lol |
| 18:30.06 | lcuk | actually looks up sometimes |
| 18:30.42 | Khertan | is away ... |
| 18:30.44 | Khertan | bye |
| 18:30.50 | tripzero | i mean really... widgetsgallery is fun... for like 2 mins |
| 18:31.12 | tripzero | imho, the real value of even putting in in maemo is so users can install meego apps |
| 18:31.43 | tripzero | and developers can, yanno, develop meego apps and test them on something |
| 18:31.47 | frals | heh |
| 18:32.06 | tripzero | ...and have a phone at the same time |
| 18:32.10 | lcuk | tripzero, also since qt runs anywhere they have to :P |
| 18:32.46 | jacekowski | ok |
| 18:32.50 | jacekowski | coldflashing still works |
| 18:32.52 | jacekowski | but on linux |
| 18:32.57 | jacekowski | on windows it's no go |
| 18:33.12 | jacekowski | because phone disconnects before windows manages to install drivers |
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| 18:43.35 | drizztbsd | hi, how can I install a .install file from command line? |
| 18:46.08 | zeltak | hya..is it possible to customize the conky app like on a nix desktop? |
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| 18:46.53 | zeltak | right now conky is only an app right? its not a desktop add on like in *nix..right? |
| 18:51.00 | dunz0r | zeltak: I think it is just like a normal conky, except it's run in a window. |
| 18:51.13 | dunz0r | Make your own ~/.conkyrc and see for yourself. |
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| 18:52.12 | frals | oh, total download count from repos + garage is over half a million now for fmms |
| 18:52.13 | frals | \o/ |
| 18:53.12 | dunz0r | reads the thread on USB OTG |
| 18:53.14 | dunz0r | :( |
| 18:53.23 | dunz0r | Where can I get updates on this btw? |
| 18:54.05 | dunz0r | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host :O |
| 18:54.16 | dunz0r | Why didn't I find this an hour ago! |
| 18:54.21 | E0x | there |
| 18:54.34 | E0x | in that page you will find update of that project |
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| 18:56.34 | zeltak | thx dunz0r ill try creating a .conkyrc |
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| 18:58.49 | zeltak | would have been cool to have conky in one of the virtual desktops though :) |
| 18:59.35 | dunz0r | zeltak: Try and put in in the root window and see what happens :) |
| 18:59.47 | dunz0r | I mean removing the own_window or whatever the option is. |
| 19:00.49 | zeltak | ha? i dont follow dunz0r (sorry i only have the n900 for a few days :)) |
| 19:01.29 | dunz0r | zeltak: There you go. http://conky.sourceforge.net/config_settings.html |
| 19:01.57 | dunz0r | zeltak: Set own_window to no in your .conkyrc and see what happens :) |
| 19:04.17 | zeltak | gotcha :) thx dunz0r :) |
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| 19:27.34 | hackytae | who already success in submetting a packet available now in application manager? |
| 19:28.20 | hackytae | I need to find out how this mystery work |
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| 19:30.13 | DrIDK | Hi guy!! Where can I find media player icons of maemo ? |
| 19:30.26 | alterego | hackytae: there's plenty of documentation on uploading packages on the wiki |
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| 19:31.12 | hackytae | Thanks alterego, I go there now |
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| 19:41.43 | DrIDK | does somebody know where can I download hildon icons on my desktop ? |
| 19:48.15 | MohammadAG51 | tmo down? |
| 19:48.34 | MohammadAG51 | nvm |
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| 19:54.29 | DrIDK | nobody ? |
| 19:54.40 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, mind checking out bug 11022? |
| 19:54.41 | DrIDK | ? where can I find Hildon icons for maemo5 ? |
| 19:54.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11022 request be the maintainer of my package |
| 19:54.56 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/icons |
| 19:57.00 | crashanddie | damn |
| 19:57.06 | crashanddie | I wish the N900 had a bigger antenna |
| 19:57.19 | BugBlue | buy an iphone4 |
| 19:57.28 | MohammadAG | DrIDK, http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ |
| 19:57.41 | crashanddie | lightning provides hundreds of thousands of volts, and has been recorded up to 800000 amps |
| 19:57.52 | crashanddie | instant charging |
| 19:57.55 | MohammadAG | enough to solve all host mode problems |
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| 19:59.49 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: tx |
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| 20:07.11 | cehteh | crashanddie: my saying .. some external antenna connectors on the n900 would be the ultimate geek plaything |
| 20:09.19 | DrIDK | Is it an easy way to access to icon instead :/usr/share/hicolor/48x48/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ? |
| 20:10.35 | MohammadAG | huh? |
| 20:13.38 | DrIDK | MohammadAG: for example QICon ( path("hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ")) instead QIcon(/usr/share/hicolor/48x48/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ) |
| 20:13.45 | DrIDK | I m just asking because KDE use KIcon |
| 20:16.18 | alterego | DrIDK: QIcon::fromTheme("pdf_viewer_last_page.png") |
| 20:16.22 | E0x | DrIDK: you can put the full path in a variable and do something like : $FULL_PATH/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png |
| 20:16.48 | alterego | QIcon::fromTheme() does all that for you |
| 20:17.05 | DrIDK | E0x: yep yep.. I know I was just asking for something like QIcon::fromTheme |
| 20:17.07 | crashanddie | damn, and I was coding an ugly one-liner :P |
| 20:17.11 | E0x | ok |
| 20:17.23 | alterego | :) |
| 20:17.28 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, ugly injection patch? :P |
| 20:17.52 | alterego | DrIDK: actually, don't put .png after the name either ;) |
| 20:18.05 | alterego | Should just be QIcon::fromTheme("general_fullsize") or whatever. |
| 20:18.31 | DrIDK | alterego: ?QIcon::fromTheme("pdf_viewer_last_page") |
| 20:18.38 | alterego | dirty: yeah |
| 20:18.49 | alterego | Erm, DrIDK yeah ;) |
| 20:18.52 | DrIDK | alterego: works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks |
| 20:18.54 | alterego | (silly autocomplete) :) |
| 20:18.57 | alterego | No problem |
| 20:21.18 | hackytae | Is it impossible to have add-apt-repository on maemo? |
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| 20:24.17 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I wish |
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| 20:29.42 | jacekowski | hackytae: you can add it using any text editor |
| 20:30.08 | hackytae | How ? |
| 20:30.19 | jacekowski | google |
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| 20:30.37 | jacekowski | and using space before "?" is incorrect |
| 20:30.52 | _llll_ | in english |
| 20:30.52 | hackytae | It's a command line, a tool to have install before |
| 20:31.04 | hackytae | How a text editor can replace it? |
| 20:31.27 | jacekowski | all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 20:31.29 | jacekowski | all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 20:31.31 | jacekowski | all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:31.34 | jacekowski | there |
| 20:31.52 | jacekowski | for example |
| 20:31.52 | jacekowski | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 20:32.41 | mgedmin | will put a space before ? if he ends a sentence with a url, e.g. "have you seen this -- http://www.google.com ?" |
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| 20:34.35 | _llll_ | better to not end a sentence with a url |
| 20:36.37 | hackytae | there is not a sourcesList file on maemo |
| 20:36.52 | crashanddie | mgedmin: parenthesises are a bitch, too :P |
| 20:37.11 | Corsac | that's what she lisp |
| 20:37.44 | hackytae | Sorry, I found the file |
| 20:38.48 | Dantonic | I'm having a problem with storage on my N900... It says I only have 110MB free, when looking at memory usage, it says there are 20+GB of audio files on the device, but there are definitely less than 10... not sure what is going on anyone have an idea? |
| 20:39.08 | hackytae | thanks jacekowski |
| 20:39.23 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: which account are you on? 51 or AG? |
| 20:40.04 | crashanddie | Dantonic: it lied to you |
| 20:40.34 | Dantonic | :( |
| 20:40.50 | Dantonic | so what's the deal? it's just displaying wrong information? I do actually have that space? |
| 20:40.55 | mgedmin | it's a VFAT filesystem, maybe the space is all in "lost clusters" or whatever they're called |
| 20:40.57 | mgedmin | run dosfsck on it |
| 20:41.01 | Dantonic | how do I recover them? |
| 20:41.13 | Dantonic | I ran fsck |
| 20:41.23 | Dantonic | but maybe not with the correct parameters |
| 20:41.41 | kerio | it's trackerd's fault! |
| 20:41.44 | kerio | it always is |
| 20:42.07 | mgedmin | Dantonic, if you did not pass either -r or -a to dosfsck, then it didn't change anything |
| 20:42.25 | mgedmin | also, be sure to unmount before you fsck! |
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| 20:43.06 | Dantonic | I just ran a "sudo fsck -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1" |
| 20:44.04 | Dantonic | dosfsck? |
| 20:44.05 | lcuk | mgedmin, style wise, my usual one if I use punctuation is: have you seen this? http://google.com |
| 20:44.09 | Dantonic | is that the same as fsck? |
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| 20:44.45 | mgedmin | fsck determines the fs type and invokes the right tool, dosfsck in this case |
| 20:45.00 | jacekowski | Dantonic: there is lot of different filesystems on n900 |
| 20:45.19 | Dantonic | I see |
| 20:45.28 | jacekowski | Dantonic: and that 110M of free looks like it's displayinf free space on rootfs |
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| 20:45.33 | mgedmin | I don't know if -f or -y are sufficient |
| 20:45.50 | mgedmin | run fsck twice; if it reports the same errors again, then it didn't fix anything |
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| 20:45.58 | Dantonic | jacekowski, well when I check the "memory details" it tells me I have 20GB of audio in use... but that's incorrect |
| 20:46.02 | Dantonic | it's wrong by more than 10GB |
| 20:46.05 | mgedmin | hm, -y is an alias for -a |
| 20:46.06 | Dantonic | and I checked every folder |
| 20:46.07 | mgedmin | so it should've worked |
| 20:46.17 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 20:46.20 | Dantonic | I didn't unmount however mgedmin |
| 20:46.23 | mgedmin | eek |
| 20:46.24 | jacekowski | that's tracker info |
| 20:46.31 | mgedmin | fsck'ing a live system can corrupt it badly |
| 20:46.32 | jacekowski | afaik |
| 20:46.35 | Dantonic | ouch |
| 20:46.54 | jacekowski | mgedmin: fscking live filesystem will fsck it up |
| 20:47.00 | Dantonic | so do a "sudo umount /dev/mmcblk0p1" ? |
| 20:47.08 | jacekowski | no |
| 20:47.12 | jacekowski | sudo gainroot |
| 20:47.21 | jacekowski | umount /dev/mmcwhatever |
| 20:47.36 | Dantonic | what's the difference? |
| 20:47.48 | mgedmin | the default sudo setup doesn't let you sudo arbitrary-command |
| 20:47.50 | jacekowski | sudo umount is not going to work |
| 20:47.53 | mgedmin | which is stupid imho but oh well |
| 20:48.06 | jacekowski | mgedmin: it's not stupid |
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| 20:48.33 | jacekowski | mgedmin: because if it would allow running any command then you could run everything as root |
| 20:48.34 | mgedmin | de gustibus non disputandum |
| 20:48.39 | Dantonic | resource is busy... |
| 20:48.44 | Dantonic | don't think anything is accessing it atm |
| 20:48.52 | jacekowski | lsof will help |
| 20:48.52 | mgedmin | jacekowski, hello, I can already run anything as root if I can "sudo gainroot" |
| 20:48.56 | mgedmin | the only diff is convenience |
| 20:49.13 | jacekowski | mgedmin: thing is that malicious program can't |
| 20:49.20 | mgedmin | yeah right |
| 20:49.26 | mgedmin | please define "malicious program" |
| 20:49.28 | Dantonic | omg lsof! |
| 20:49.34 | Dantonic | filled up too much |
| 20:49.35 | mgedmin | every .deb's postinst script is run with root privs |
| 20:49.55 | jacekowski | exploited browser for example |
| 20:49.57 | mgedmin | hm |
| 20:50.03 | Dantonic | can I just force the umount? how do I do that? |
| 20:50.10 | jacekowski | Dantonic: it's not going to work |
| 20:50.17 | jacekowski | Dantonic: umount -l may work |
| 20:50.23 | Dantonic | lol |
| 20:50.23 | kerio | jacekowski: what does gainroot check? |
| 20:50.24 | mgedmin | Dantonic, plug in a USB cable, and the n900 will do its best to umount it |
| 20:50.24 | Dantonic | ty |
| 20:50.40 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: http://www.valot.fi/kalle/tmp/wl12xx/20090429/ |
| 20:50.51 | jacekowski | kerio: thing is that gainroot always executes shell |
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| 20:50.57 | jacekowski | kerio: and then you have to type your command |
| 20:50.58 | kerio | i see |
| 20:51.11 | mgedmin | jacekowski, echo id|sudo gainroot |
| 20:51.14 | mgedmin | zero protection |
| 20:51.22 | MohammadAG | O_o |
| 20:51.27 | jacekowski | mgedmin: are you sure? |
| 20:51.30 | Dantonic | ok so now I can run fsck -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1 ya? |
| 20:51.32 | mgedmin | just tried it on my n900 |
| 20:51.35 | _llll_ | what kind of "protection" did you expect? |
| 20:51.40 | jacekowski | well, that should be fixed |
| 20:51.50 | mgedmin | you assume it *can* be fixed |
| 20:52.03 | mgedmin | anything you let the user do, programs can do on the user's behalf |
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| 20:52.11 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7n8GqewJ2M |
| 20:52.21 | mgedmin | unless you ask the user to solve a captcha every time she tries sudo gainroot ;) |
| 20:52.39 | _llll_ | "fixed"? what are you guys on about? |
| 20:52.53 | jacekowski | well, maemo is security disaster anyways |
| 20:53.01 | jacekowski | and nobody does anything about remote exploits |
| 20:53.03 | Dantonic | well it checked clusters... says 440582/442377 |
| 20:53.08 | Dantonic | not sure what that means |
| 20:53.18 | mgedmin | a progress bar, no? |
| 20:54.23 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, can't see an injection patch, you got me overexcited |
| 20:55.10 | Dantonic | well, mounted it back, still shows 112MB available :( |
| 20:56.10 | flux | mgedmin, there could be a separate physical button that does sudo gainroot :) |
| 20:56.37 | mgedmin | Dantonic, and du /home/MyDocs says what? |
| 20:56.43 | jacekowski | ahhh |
| 20:56.43 | jacekowski | ffs |
| 20:56.49 | jacekowski | nolo is signed |
| 20:56.58 | kerio | so? |
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| 20:57.00 | jacekowski | but there is no cert |
| 20:57.01 | lcuk | flux, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 |
| 20:57.14 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: can I spam you? |
| 20:57.15 | jacekowski | it's not using HS stuff |
| 20:57.24 | jacekowski | it's verified by x-loader |
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| 20:57.44 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, sure |
| 20:58.14 | Dantonic | what do you mean mgedmin? |
| 20:58.50 | mgedmin | the 'du' command computes the size taken by a directory, recursively |
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| 20:59.23 | mgedmin | and of course I meant 'du /home/user/MyDocs' |
| 20:59.36 | Dantonic | oh |
| 21:00.14 | Dantonic | it's listing all directories I guess |
| 21:00.25 | Dantonic | is there a way to make it list the total size or something? |
| 21:00.32 | crashanddie | du -sh |
| 21:01.15 | mgedmin | but you want it to list all directories |
| 21:01.15 | Dantonic | 26.9G :( |
| 21:01.22 | mgedmin | then you'll be able to see where those gigs live |
| 21:01.44 | mgedmin | or you could du -chs ~/MyDocs/* |
| 21:01.45 | Dantonic | how do I make it list a little at a time? there are too many, it = |
| 21:01.48 | mgedmin | to see an overview of just 1 level |
| 21:01.54 | Dantonic | ok |
| 21:01.57 | mgedmin | and then repeat it for the largest subdirectory |
| 21:02.04 | korhojoa | Dantonic: you can | less it |
| 21:02.11 | crashanddie | Dantonic: du /home/user/MyDocs | more |
| 21:02.23 | mgedmin | caveat: this misses hidden directories (those with names that start with a dot), but then again VFAT doesn't allow filenames to start with a dot, so forget it |
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| 21:03.48 | Dantonic | hah with du -chs ~/MyDocs/* I get a total of 14.2G |
| 21:03.57 | Dantonic | all the directories look correct |
| 21:04.01 | Dantonic | the space they take up I mean |
| 21:04.07 | Dantonic | I guess it must be in a hidden directory? |
| 21:04.54 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 21:05.00 | mgedmin | ls -lA MyDocs |
| 21:05.11 | _llll_ | most things are in .documents |
| 21:05.17 | _llll_ | or .sounds and the others |
| 21:05.17 | mgedmin | oh duh! |
| 21:05.26 | mgedmin | I feel so stupid for forgetting that |
| 21:05.34 | Dantonic | what's that? |
| 21:05.36 | mgedmin | (and assuming vfat wouldn't allow it) |
| 21:05.52 | mgedmin | the standard locations for Documents, Videos, Audio files are ~/MyDocs/.documents etc. |
| 21:06.03 | _llll_ | it's some bizarre way to allow "Documents" to be translated or something |
| 21:06.05 | mgedmin | it's so they can be translated into different languages without renaming the actual directories |
| 21:06.05 | Dantonic | oh |
| 21:06.15 | Dantonic | I see |
| 21:06.35 | Dantonic | so how should I check that? du -chs ~/MyDocs/.documents/* |
| 21:07.04 | _llll_ | du -sh ~/MyDocs/.documents |
| 21:07.08 | _llll_ | what does c do? |
| 21:07.41 | Dantonic | uhm... 65.8M |
| 21:07.44 | E0x | how the service provider name get draw in the screen ? |
| 21:07.49 | E0x | xlib or something ? |
| 21:07.53 | Dantonic | that's just pointing to the "Documents" folder |
| 21:07.56 | Dantonic | within MyDocs |
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| 21:08.15 | mgedmin | the file manager said "audio files", right? |
| 21:08.21 | Dantonic | yeah |
| 21:08.22 | mgedmin | so du -chs ~/MyDocs/.sounds |
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| 21:08.44 | mgedmin | -c is probably only useful if you du more than one argument |
| 21:08.49 | mgedmin | I have it hardwired in my fingers |
| 21:08.51 | Dantonic | ya 7.6M |
| 21:08.56 | mgedmin | since I never remember if I want -c or -s |
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| 21:08.59 | Dantonic | I have all my music in a separate folder called "Music" |
| 21:09.05 | _llll_ | s is "summary" |
| 21:09.17 | mgedmin | well, we've established that you've got 26 gigs of filed in MyDocs |
| 21:09.23 | mgedmin | now you want to know where |
| 21:09.38 | jacekowski | ncdu is nice |
| 21:09.41 | mgedmin | and we know it's in a hidden folder, since du -chs MyDocs/* finds only 14 gigs |
| 21:09.54 | jacekowski | or there was that gui thing |
| 21:09.58 | Dantonic | so how do we search just the hidden folders? |
| 21:10.02 | mgedmin | so du -chs ~/MyDocs/.[a-zA-Z]* |
| 21:10.26 | _llll_ | fand hope it isnt names .000-horse-p0rn |
| 21:10.27 | Dantonic | so why wouldn't du -chs ~/MyDocs/.* work? |
| 21:10.34 | Dantonic | u gotta put the a-z stuff? |
| 21:10.37 | mgedmin | shell kinda sucks; there's no way to "match .* except for . and ..", and you don't want to du /home/user/MyDocs/../ == /home/user ... |
| 21:10.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 fsck that, laptop completely refuses to play, N900 is doing diashow on medium quality, and total crap on low quality |
| 21:10.52 | mgedmin | wow, perfect timing ;) |
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| 21:11.39 | DrIDK | Is somebody very very nice , to help me to push my first application via ssh/git ? |
| 21:11.40 | Dantonic | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 21:11.47 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51++ |
| 21:11.55 | Dantonic | 12.1G home/user/MyDocs/.Trash-1000 |
| 21:12.01 | mgedmin | he he! |
| 21:12.03 | Dantonic | it's the trash bin??!!! |
| 21:12.04 | Dantonic | wtf! |
| 21:12.25 | Dantonic | how do I empty the trash bin!! |
| 21:12.27 | Dantonic | :P |
| 21:12.34 | mgedmin | maemo doesn't use one; it must be from a time you used the usb cable with a linux laptop |
| 21:12.45 | mgedmin | don't these normally ask "do you want to empty your recycle bin before ejecting"? |
| 21:12.52 | mgedmin | anyway, rm -r ~/MyDocs/.Trash-1000 |
| 21:12.54 | mgedmin | or rm -rf |
| 21:13.07 | crashanddie | "If women are so bloody perfect at multi-tasking, how come they can't have a headache and sex at the same time?" |
| 21:13.09 | Dantonic | well idk I've only connected it with my desktop... Ubuntu 9.10 |
| 21:13.21 | Dantonic | and I did transfer about 12 GB of stuff at one point |
| 21:13.22 | Dantonic | that must be it |
| 21:13.26 | Dantonic | then deleted it on the device |
| 21:13.39 | Dantonic | this was months ago |
| 21:14.10 | Dantonic | omg thanks so much guys |
| 21:14.14 | Dantonic | thanks for the help |
| 21:14.51 | Dantonic | so how can I avoid this in the future? If I transfer files and delete make sure I empty recycle bin before ejecting the drive? Or just delete straight on the N900? |
| 21:14.56 | Dantonic | after disconnecting USB? |
| 21:15.14 | E0x | i install the scratchbox at my netbook now i need move install it in my desktop , i can use the /scratchbox folder for not download everything again ? |
| 21:15.22 | E0x | how i can reuse it ? |
| 21:15.43 | crashanddie | E0x: you must be a tree-hugger. Recycling bytes. |
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| 21:16.10 | E0x | crashanddie: ? |
| 21:16.20 | crashanddie | E0x: you can copy over the users directory, but nothing else |
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| 21:17.33 | Dantonic | argh it's not deleting it! |
| 21:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | Dantonic: I'd sugest a `ln -s /dev/null MyDocs/.Trash-1000` but alas it won't work like that on crappy VFAT fs |
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| 21:19.00 | Dantonic | it's ok got it |
| 21:19.15 | Dantonic | just did a rm -r .Trash* |
| 21:19.19 | Dantonic | :) |
| 21:19.24 | magick777 | Dantonic, in Nautilus on ubuntu, Edit, Preferences, check option to include a delete command that bypasses waste bin |
| 21:19.27 | Dantonic | yay I have my 12 GB back!!! |
| 21:19.28 | magick777 | and use it |
| 21:19.38 | magick777 | that'll stop it happening again |
| 21:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | yep, but about the >><Dantonic> so how can I avoid this in the future?<< part |
| 21:19.52 | Dantonic | oh I see thanks |
| 21:20.11 | Dantonic | ln -s /dev/null MyDocs/.Trash-1000 what does that do exactly? |
| 21:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | maybe just never use simple 'delete' instead always use shift-'delete' on Buntkuh |
| 21:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | when deleting from attached USB |
| 21:20.41 | Dantonic | well basically as long as I DO NOT delete while it's attached on USB... I should be fine right? |
| 21:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep - lol |
| 21:20.58 | magick777 | Dantonic, yes but that's overkill |
| 21:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | Dantonic: ever gave mc a try? |
| 21:21.26 | magick777 | just add a real delete option to your Nautilus menus |
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| 21:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | blarghh gnome |
| 21:22.27 | magick777 | indeed... and shift-delete doesn't work as you might hope |
| 21:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | yep, prolly KDE fancy |
| 21:22.50 | DrIDK | what does it mean : Please make sure you have filled in your garage credentials to ~/.netrc. The info that needs to be added there is the following: ? |
| 21:22.53 | Dantonic | ok magick I cehcked that option |
| 21:22.58 | magick777 | but, Ubuntu does a great job of converting Windoze users who "value" those sort of "features" |
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| 21:23.21 | Dantonic | <DocScrutinizer> Dantonic: ever gave mc a try? what's that? |
| 21:23.35 | Duckboot | øæå |
| 21:23.37 | Dantonic | midnight commander? |
| 21:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | midnight commander, a norton commander clone |
| 21:23.40 | Dantonic | ah |
| 21:23.43 | Dantonic | no never |
| 21:23.59 | Dantonic | I've seen it i the repositories |
| 21:24.07 | Dantonic | never installed it |
| 21:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | you should have it in buntkuh repos for sure |
| 21:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | just use instead of noteilutz |
| 21:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | err nauseatilus |
| 21:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | e really WYSIWYG filemanager |
| 21:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | a real* |
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| 21:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | no fancy icons, and also no trashcan |
| 21:26.48 | DrIDK | ... what' s garage credentials to ~/.netrc. ? Where is this file ? |
| 21:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | but nice little gimmicks like instant file editing, compare files and directories etc |
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| 21:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | magick777: for ubuntu see http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 21:30.28 | magick777 | hehe |
| 21:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | where my vocabulary using ubuntu and gnome in a completely interchangeable way |
| 21:31.50 | magick777 | I was sceptical in the early days, looked like another Mandrake |
| 21:32.12 | magick777 | but, I used it to rescue a debian LVM system I hosed, and rather liked it |
| 21:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | honestly if somebody likes windoze look and feel, then please stay with redmond products and be a happy camper. I for one prefer a linux that looks and feels *better* than any redmond crap, instead of trying to mimick vista and inevitably failing on that |
| 21:33.55 | magick777 | it's not the look and feel I like... it's the fact that more of it just works |
| 21:34.08 | magick777 | sensible use of repos, less arcane policy about non-free essentials |
| 21:34.49 | magick777 | I started with slackware, spent 2 years running gentoo and several on debian... ubuntu is now my flavour of choice |
| 21:34.58 | magick777 | which surprises me, also |
| 21:35.05 | magick777 | but, it finally just bloody works |
| 21:35.06 | jacekowski | ubuntu is just ekhm |
| 21:35.08 | jacekowski | it's like a vista |
| 21:35.11 | jacekowski | slow |
| 21:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | err, buntkuh is as far away from a standard linux as it can get without losing the tag. I don't like that |
| 21:35.13 | jacekowski | and heavy |
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| 21:36.06 | magick777 | I would accept all those arguments.... and still it's more usable right now than debian or gentoo |
| 21:36.28 | jacekowski | gentoo is unusable even on 4 core xeon |
| 21:36.33 | nox- | moin |
| 21:36.51 | jacekowski | btw. is emerge still soooooo slow? |
| 21:37.17 | magick777 | probably not on a 4-core xeon, it was hopeless on a p4 |
| 21:37.37 | jacekowski | i mean just dependencies calculations |
| 21:38.24 | magick777 | been a while since I used it (thankfully) |
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| 21:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'd need another 7 testers. Anybody got a few minutes for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ ? |
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| 21:44.37 | asj | looks |
| 21:46.26 | jacekowski | how is version 0.2 different from 0.1 |
| 21:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | 0.2 * description cleanup, change pretty name to "*# Starhash Enabler". |
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| 21:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | added link to bug reporting tmo, adds XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description field (which is usually painfully missing in other pkgs, *hint hint*) |
| 21:48.54 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I would love to test it but unfortunately the N900 is not used as phone anymore :/ |
| 21:49.15 | asj | DocScrutinizer: you just aclled *# so it would end up on the top of the list didn't you ;) |
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| 21:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I wonder if that's an obstacle at all. In the end the whole dealing with *#numbers is in dialer anyway, so nothing I could change wrt any bug there |
| 21:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | asj: not exactly, it was mainly to give a clue wtf is starhash. But the effect was welcome ;-) |
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| 21:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: *# is just *enabling* the CC in dialer. So all you need to test is if it installs and deinstalls correctly, and if it maybe causes general fuckup of system :-) |
| 21:53.50 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: My N900 is having issues at the moment... :( Not working out very well. |
| 21:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | any bugs in dialer when CC are enabled have to be addressed to Nokia rtcomm |
| 21:54.30 | asj | is there a way to remove an app from extras-devel? |
| 21:54.59 | jacekowski | asj: ask X-Fade to do it |
| 21:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep, only way |
| 21:55.34 | asj | jacekowski: ok thanks |
| 21:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (what's diff in 0.2) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=762487#post762487 |
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| 22:00.14 | asj | DocScrutinizer: there you go, one more vote :) |
| 22:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | thanks mate :-) |
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| 22:02.13 | rlinfati | Hi, someone upload a libsdl-mixer1.2 to extras-devel, and it's in conflict with the nokia version... |
| 22:03.18 | rlinfati | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-mixer1.2/ |
| 22:04.25 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 22:05.34 | rlinfati | the check of the builder are not working https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3/ |
| 22:06.39 | DrGrov | Anyone got any Nokia E-series phone and perhaps want to help a bit? |
| 22:07.14 | Arkenoi | does anyone have current accelermymote and descent working correctly together on pr1.2? |
| 22:07.32 | johnsu01 | DrGrov: help with what? |
| 22:07.42 | DrGrov | johnsu01: you got a E-series phone? |
| 22:08.05 | johnsu01 | DrGrov: yes, I have an old e61 (but I'm on my way out, which is why I was asking what you had in mind) |
| 22:08.37 | DrGrov | johnsu01: ok, i just thought i'd ask that do you know if I can customize the "messages" shortcut to something else than e-mail? i have an E52 |
| 22:09.28 | johnsu01 | DrGrov: hm, don't know off the top of my head. I was waiting till a free symbian image was flashable before turning it on again :) |
| 22:10.00 | DrGrov | johnsu01: ah okay, you had some issues with it? |
| 22:10.21 | johnsu01 | DrGrov: no, I loved that phone, but I have an n900 now which is a lot closer to my goal of a free software phone :) |
| 22:10.41 | johnsu01 | but I'd happily tinker with free software symbian as well, once they get an installable image available |
| 22:10.56 | DrGrov | johnsu01: okay, i still have my n900 but i opted for the e52 due to its superior battery life, both phone and standby time. and it works better as a phone |
| 22:11.35 | johnsu01 | the E series are really nice phones, no doubt about it |
| 22:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: maybe /join #symbian ? |
| 22:11.49 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: sorry for off-topic |
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| 22:14.55 | magick777 | DocScrutinizer, voted up, does what it says on the tin.... |
| 22:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | magick777: thanks |
| 22:16.30 | asj | DrGrov: look in settings |
| 22:17.20 | DrGrov | asj: i have tried but no luck. |
| 22:17.32 | DrGrov | but nevertheless, does not matter since i kind of do not need that shortcut. |
| 22:17.43 | DrGrov | but on the other hand it could be a nice shortcut to my pr0n |
| 22:18.04 | asj | DrGrov: hmpf, might need an app to change it, of course it needs high level caps |
| 22:18.48 | asj | DrGrov: is the e51 3.1 or 3.2? |
| 22:18.50 | DrGrov | asj: i can check later on again though. i am pretty sure it is there somewhere |
| 22:18.58 | DrGrov | no, it is not an e51 |
| 22:19.01 | DrGrov | it is an e52 |
| 22:19.07 | asj | sorry e52, is it 3.1 or 3.2? |
| 22:19.26 | DrGrov | the latest, i bought it just this week so i presume it is 3.12 |
| 22:19.27 | DrGrov | 3.2 |
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| 22:20.22 | asj | geos to look at an e72 |
| 22:21.21 | DrGrov | asj: I was also checking at the E72 but I did not fancy the full QWERTY keyboard though. Makes my situation too difficult. |
| 22:21.51 | DrGrov | asj: you think the E52 is 3.1 or 3.2 if I bought it last week? |
| 22:22.55 | asj | DrGrov: Control Panel->Settings->Phone->Personilization->One-Touch-> |
| 22:23.35 | DrGrov | asj: huh? |
| 22:23.50 | asj | DrGrov: it's 3.2. That's how to get the menu to change the keys |
| 22:24.12 | DrGrov | okay, it is 3.2 |
| 22:24.18 | DrGrov | ah, i will check that out. thank you |
| 22:24.38 | DrGrov | not anymore today. i want to keep the use at minimal and standby to see whether it lasts 1 week without any charging. |
| 22:25.20 | asj | DrGrov: oops that's wrong, Ctrl. Panel->Settings->General->Personilisation->One-touch |
| 22:25.54 | DrGrov | asj: no problem, i will check from there :) tomorrow I will do it when I am intoxicated by some nice Stolichanya vodka ;-) |
| 22:25.56 | asj | that's also where you can disable the aweful "Opti nav key" on the e72 |
| 22:26.18 | DrGrov | WTF is the Opti nav key? I have not seen such a key. Not available on the E52? |
| 22:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | stolichnaya been the buzzword. Me away... |
| 22:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | as I'm really not interested in E-series |
| 22:28.00 | DrGrov | I will get seriously intoxicated tomorrow. My friend said I will crawl on the floor |
| 22:28.01 | DrGrov | :) |
| 22:28.26 | DrGrov | My fiancee perhaps not too thrilled about this prediction but nevertheless, it will be jolly good ol' fun |
| 22:28.51 | DrGrov | I can always give her the N900 to play with and she will become much more stable |
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| 22:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how do you like my letterbox hack (regardless of the pain to playback and from abysmal quality)? |
| 22:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: jacekowski: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 :-) |
| 22:33.05 | asj | DrGrov: on the dpad of the e72 when you slide your finger it does the equivalant of the motions, it's basically touch sensitive |
| 22:33.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: epic |
| 22:33.27 | DrGrov | asj: that is so cool |
| 22:33.45 | DrGrov | asj: i wonder why it took me so long to finally get an E-series phone. |
| 22:33.50 | asj | DrGrov: the problem is, it sucks. Because it's enabled and the d-pad clicks, so when you go to click it the selection runs around like crazy since you also slid your finger |
| 22:34.03 | DrGrov | I did not want the E51, E61, E63, E66, E90 but the E52 is the shit. |
| 22:34.16 | asj | DrGrov: you must be really drunk |
| 22:34.20 | DrGrov | asj: drunk? |
| 22:34.21 | DrGrov | me? |
| 22:34.42 | DrGrov | asj: WTF? I am not drunk. |
| 22:35.15 | asj | DrGrov: just wait till you use symbian for a month, then don't come crawling back us crying ;) |
| 22:35.29 | DrGrov | asj: I still have the N900 there. |
| 22:35.52 | DrGrov | asj: the N900 is being used for different purposes. |
| 22:36.15 | asj | DrGrov: try developing for symbian, it's a sole crushing grinding pulverizing anahalating experience, and that's just installing the tools |
| 22:36.41 | DrGrov | I will never develop for Symbian so quite frankly I do not give a fuck |
| 22:36.41 | DrGrov | lo |
| 22:36.44 | DrGrov | LOL |
| 22:36.58 | ShadowJK | you managed to install the tools? I never made it that far |
| 22:37.31 | ShadowJK | I ran out screaming and chewed on a tree until it fell down. It was easier and more rewarding |
| 22:39.05 | asj | ShadowJK: symbian levels of difficulty, from easiest to hardest: tool install, compiling something, making it work, making it do something useful, trying to get your app signed, wondering who came with the cleanup stack and how to kill them, TDesC |
| 22:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: MrBeaver ? |
| 22:40.40 | ShadowJK | if Symbian was a forrest company, that's how they'd cut down trees |
| 22:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why he's still here instead of over there with a nice glass of Stolichnaya |
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| 22:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | btw downloading http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 and playback in mediaplayer seems to work nicely. Just I don't see a download link on Ovi unless logged in to the account :-/ |
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| 22:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | Ovi epic fail |
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| 22:46.55 | dmj726_devel | I'm trying to compile the fcamera example application and am getting the error: You must enable NEON instructions (e.g. -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon) to use arm_neon.h |
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| 22:47.31 | ShadowJK | probably also -mcpu=Cortex-A8 |
| 22:47.39 | dmj726_devel | I looked in the fcamera.pro and found QMAKE_CXXFLAGS += -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp |
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| 22:48.35 | dmj726_devel | so I'm not sure why it would be missing those |
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| 22:56.10 | dmj726_devel | has anyone else gotten fcamera to compile? |
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| 22:57.01 | dmj726_devel | assumes so for obvious reasons but is interested if any tweaks have been needed. |
| 22:57.09 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ovi epic fail? |
| 22:57.24 | tybollt | mind elaborating?= |
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| 23:29.06 | calamari | hi |
| 23:29.42 | ptl | hello |
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| 23:30.50 | calamari | just curious if anyone has heard rumors of an n900 successor? |
| 23:32.16 | tripzero | calamari, rumors |
| 23:32.23 | tripzero | google for 'n9' |
| 23:32.32 | tripzero | you'll find lots of rumors ;) |
| 23:35.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | gpsjinni is buggy. what's been the name of that location test gui? |
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| 23:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | seem unable to find it in HAM |
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| 23:36.48 | calamari | tripzero, thanks :) |
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| 23:54.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ping |
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| 23:56.47 | SpeedEvil | ? |
