| 00:00.35 | Macer | mplayer probably uses no hw decoding at all |
| 00:00.59 | Macer | the scaling is esentially re-encoding on the fly |
| 00:01.50 | Macer | use the ipod setting from handbrake for quick video making... or make your own profile and save it for the n900 |
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| 00:03.01 | Shapeshifter | Macer: yeah sure |
| 00:03.06 | Shapeshifter | I wasn't expecting it to work ;) |
| 00:03.09 | Macer | hahaha |
| 00:03.15 | Macer | me too when i tried it |
| 00:03.18 | Macer | ;) |
| 00:04.50 | Macer | at least handbrake makes it easy ;) |
| 00:05.05 | Shapeshifter | Macer: does it downsample to the highest possible res? |
| 00:05.12 | Shapeshifter | as in, it still looks very good? |
| 00:05.55 | Macer | yes |
| 00:06.08 | Macer | try it |
| 00:06.30 | Macer | make an n900 specific profile and you are golden ;) |
| 00:06.56 | Macer | although. encoding as h264 will use the hw decoding on the n900 |
| 00:07.13 | Macer | so no need for mplayer |
| 00:07.59 | liori | how big will these files be after encoding? |
| 00:11.35 | ShadowJK | h264 baseline works on n900 hardware decoder, 800x480 or so maximum res. h264 main profile and h264 high profile doesn't work with hw decode on n900, max res is something like 352x288 with MPlayer then.. |
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| 01:12.47 | cheriff | hi, im wondering if anyone has had any luck with the UART behind the battery on the N900 as ttyS0? (as mentioned on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking but i'm not sure how much is hearsay) |
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| 01:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski did it |
| 01:21.10 | cheriff | DocScrutinizer: yes thanks, i was just wondering on some details: were any of the jtag pins ever confirmed, suggestions on building a breakout board for the signals, etc |
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| 01:24.30 | cheriff | in particular, how jacekowski was able to boot with 'no battery present' |
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| 01:26.59 | Maemoboi | is this channel still alive? |
| 01:27.24 | Maemoboi | any1 here? |
| 01:27.44 | Dassu | Sees dead people OO |
| 01:27.58 | b-man | is a zombie |
| 01:27.59 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 01:28.24 | SpeedEvil | cheriff: jacekowski found txd |
| 01:28.30 | SpeedEvil | cheriff: it is 1.8v logic |
| 01:29.28 | Maemoboi | has anyone found a fix for the buggy phone application in maemo? |
| 01:30.04 | cheriff | SpeedEvil: cool. im sure we can jury rig something together with this :) |
| 01:31.02 | Maemoboi | everytime i get a call the screen gets all messed up....missed a lotta cals |
| 01:32.50 | MohammadAG | backport the newest hildon-desktop |
| 01:32.53 | MohammadAG | worksforme |
| 01:33.24 | Maemoboi | where is it? |
| 01:33.51 | MohammadAG | sec, got a binary iirc |
| 01:33.52 | Maemoboi | i'm tallking about N900 |
| 01:34.12 | MohammadAG | I know |
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| 01:34.45 | Ivis | where i can download n900 games? |
| 01:35.00 | Maemoboi | try the repos bjuddy |
| 01:35.16 | Maemoboi | Ivis: there aint shit games for N900 |
| 01:35.50 | Ivis | Maemoboi can i install any linux game on n900 ? |
| 01:36.01 | Maemoboi | Ivis: i dunnol |
| 01:36.05 | Ivis | ok |
| 01:36.20 | MohammadAG | Maemoboi, http://www.freemoe.org/users/mohammad/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb |
| 01:36.27 | Maemoboi | thanks |
| 01:37.12 | Maemoboi | so i just install this and then what? |
| 01:38.18 | MohammadAG | it has the bug fixed |
| 01:38.24 | MohammadAG | what bug no., not sure |
| 01:38.25 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 01:39.12 | cheriff | oh, looks like you need the wallcharger to progress past boot |
| 01:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just checked that, the supposed 2.6V sound odd |
| 01:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | cheriff: err wut? wallcharger, boot? |
| 01:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | cheriff: jacekowski attached a PSU to the battery contacts |
| 01:44.38 | cheriff | DocScrutinizer: oh, thats intereseting, cheers :) I was basing off: "If a wall charger is detected a device can be booted immediately, otherwise a battery is charged in low power mode until a bootable level is reached." |
| 01:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's BS |
| 01:45.36 | cheriff | i took that to mean it wont do a nobat-boot over USB, but will with the wallsocked (where d+ and d- are shorted) |
| 01:45.50 | cheriff | yeah, i just found my wallplug and no love ;) |
| 01:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | it will do faster charge with D+- short, but it always will need batery to boot and it will need decent voltage on that battery to boot |
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| 01:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise it will go into emergency recover charge mode, with steady amber |
| 01:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 01:47.03 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device |
| 01:47.54 | cheriff | thanks for that. was just hpoing for easier access to the pads |
| 01:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 |
| 01:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | I operated N900 for ~32min without battery :-) |
| 01:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | not thru boot though |
| 01:50.13 | Ivis | i just install vultures.install this game and can't find it |
| 01:50.17 | Ivis | where it should be? |
| 01:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | (don't forget to hit thanks button :-P my thanks rating stalls XD) |
| 01:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | Ivis: in appstarter icons? |
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| 01:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | where else could it be? |
| 01:52.10 | Ivis | yea i know but nothing there |
| 01:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | then it's crap, it seems |
| 01:53.46 | Ivis | ok :) |
| 01:53.48 | Ivis | thanks |
| 01:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | you could try starting it from cmdline |
| 01:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what to start though |
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| 01:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | maybe check HAM log (from HAM menu) - there might something gone wrong on install |
| 01:55.26 | JAVC30 | Hola!!!!! |
| 01:56.19 | Ivis | DocScrutinizer ok ty, and one more question :D on which linux are based n900 ? |
| 01:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | debian |
| 01:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | though the N900 is maemo |
| 01:57.21 | Ivis | ok thanks bro :) soo much problems with mobile phone |
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| 02:54.38 | luke-jr | ok, so I just finished adding Tonal characters to Luxi Mono... any simple way to get Maemo to use it? (*on topic*) |
| 02:58.01 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr, ill go get the banhammer ready. :P |
| 02:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh wooow |
| 03:00.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | mediaplayer vPR1.2 *actually* learnt "delete song from playlist" - incredible |
| 03:00.51 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 03:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | another joke: thought I add ~flatbatrecover comment to tmo, so I searched for 'dead' in thread title: "N900 dead?", "Think my n900 is dead....", "is my N900 Dead?", "Is my N900 dead?", "Is my N900 dead?", "Dead N900?", " N900 Dead, MPD support number?", "Dead N900 after charging :-(", "Device completely dead - help!!!", " Dead after the PR1.1 failed update. Returning my N900 to Nokia.", " N900 dead after attempt at updating software"... |
| 03:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | That's just first page of hits, minus those that are not variations of same topic |
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| 03:09.30 | TermanaN900 | in regards to emergency charging, what if when it tries to boot the OS has no BME? Is there enough charge to do a flash? |
| 03:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
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| 03:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | no, you won't get enough carge into battery for flashing, with a system that's missing charger software |
| 03:11.56 | TermanaN900 | so your screwed if you flatten your battery on an alternative os without bme? |
| 03:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | the acting_dead supposedly 'off' state charging is just a fully booted system with reduced set of services |
| 03:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | so yes |
| 03:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | you're screwed |
| 03:14.02 | ds3 | buy a rescue N900 to charge the battery |
| 03:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 03:14.13 | TermanaN900 | i cant believe nokia didnt anticipate that would happen |
| 03:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | I got a rescue N900 |
| 03:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 03:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | TermanaN900: they did |
| 03:14.47 | TermanaN900 | looks like ill be buying myself an external battery charger |
| 03:14.48 | LiraNuna | don't they warn "charge battery fully before updating" ? |
| 03:15.07 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, they did, but did nothing about it? |
| 03:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | they clearly say: recharge your battery completely before flashing, as when flashing goes wrong you won't be able to charge battery |
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| 03:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | flashing failing == flashing a OS without bme |
| 03:16.38 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, right but if you have a different os that doesnt have bme and your battery dies, you stuck as well |
| 03:16.44 | TermanaN900 | not just when you flash |
| 03:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 03:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | you're not supposed to flash borked odd OS. |
| 03:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | That's a wider case of 'flashing failed' |
| 03:19.11 | Macer | wow. some of the stuff that snor leopard can't do just amazes me |
| 03:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | what puzzles me more is there's obviously no fallback to recover from a damaged NOLO |
| 03:19.15 | Macer | theming being a big one |
| 03:19.31 | Macer | you have to jump through hoops to get it to look like it isn't a default android install |
| 03:20.54 | TermanaN900 | Macer, snow leopard... as in os x? maybe if you used a mans os like linux you would be fine |
| 03:20.57 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 03:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | sopen like a upright haX0r :-D |
| 03:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | spoken |
| 03:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | wtf |
| 03:21.45 | asj | DocScrutinizer: it's probably just a where do you draw the line type of issue, it was released as a working phone with maemo5 and it also happended to be faily open. If it was released as a here's a hackable phone do with it as you like, then that would have moved the line |
| 03:22.11 | Macer | TermanaN900: yeah. i can feel my testacles falling off |
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| 03:22.13 | Macer | but meh :) |
| 03:22.27 | Macer | it's like trying to put a death dragon on a pink shirt |
| 03:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | asj: fair enough |
| 03:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | asj: otoh they could have connected rom-bootloader serial to the USB datalines, so you could load a program to flash a new NOLO via USB (in serial mode!) and wouldn't need a jig to contact the testpads under battery to do so |
| 03:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | afaik e.g. some android phones work that way |
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| 03:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | would need just some half dozen of really cheap components, if at all |
| 03:27.09 | asj | DocScrutinizer: mmm, it's probably just how they are used to doing manufacturing. Jigs and line setup is already in place, each jib programs, tests, etc, lasts for 10,000 devices (random number picked out of my butt) where as the USB connector and cable is good for 1000. Dunno, random guess. |
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| 03:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | otoh they spend money for HW doing the nonsensical R&D mode kbd flickering |
| 03:28.21 | asj | heh, I can guarantee you it means something to probably 1 person |
| 03:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | asj: they can have USB on testpads as well |
| 03:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | so no change in manuf line |
| 03:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be not surprised they actually have |
| 03:29.41 | asj | DocScrutinizer: mmm, other option was, they never even thought about it |
| 03:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 03:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, I seem to have heard OMAP doesn't per default try to read in bootcode from serial, you need to pull a line to make it do that |
| 03:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | that'd explain why it didn't look like worth the effort |
| 03:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | on OM wikireader the SoC always tries to load a tiny chunk of code from serial, and excute, and falls back to booting from external rom only when that serial boot timeouts (in ms) |
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| 03:56.10 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 03:56.14 | luke-jr | Flashlight has an update? how? |
| 03:56.21 | luke-jr | I mean, it does what it's supposed to do... |
| 03:57.25 | dotblank | luke-jr, needs a strobe light function |
| 03:57.33 | dotblank | friend had that on his droid.. |
| 03:57.43 | dotblank | felt there was no reason for the n900 not to have it |
| 03:57.52 | luke-jr | [22:17:18] <DocScrutinizer> you're not supposed to flash borked odd OS. |
| 03:58.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: as BME is closed, that's saying you're not supposed to change N900 ;) |
| 03:58.20 | luke-jr | dotblank: was that added? |
| 03:58.31 | dotblank | there are 3 apps I wish my n900 had |
| 03:58.51 | dotblank | strobe light, hypnotoad, and a push to talk walkie talking with other phones |
| 03:58.52 | luke-jr | not that I can tell... |
| 03:59.01 | luke-jr | dotblank: so implement them |
| 03:59.07 | dotblank | luke-jr, I might :) |
| 03:59.23 | asj | dotblank: of all things, a strobe light and hynotoad are easy |
| 03:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: basically your last post to me is correct |
| 03:59.46 | dotblank | asj, My thoughts exactly.. |
| 04:00.00 | dotblank | how hard would be to write an extension to xmpp and jabber? |
| 04:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: how'd you implemet PTT? Over WLAN? |
| 04:00.16 | dotblank | and make it send audio packets |
| 04:00.25 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, over 3g |
| 04:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | uh |
| 04:00.40 | asj | dotblank: you like an old Nextel customer or something? |
| 04:00.50 | dotblank | my friend has an app that does it over 3g on his droid |
| 04:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, k |
| 04:01.25 | dotblank | the point is that its easy |
| 04:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like voip with aitomatic call accept |
| 04:01.49 | asj | don't stream it live, store it then xfer it "reliably", limit to 30 seconds or somethign...? |
| 04:02.00 | dotblank | my friends no absolutely nothing about phones and they can use a PTT feature on a droid |
| 04:02.13 | dotblank | There is delay |
| 04:02.19 | dotblank | so I assumed thats what it did |
| 04:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | sounds weird and useless |
| 04:02.55 | asj | DocScrutinizer: nextel built a whole company around it |
| 04:02.55 | dotblank | I think writing a mobile walkie talkie extension to jabber would work |
| 04:03.09 | dotblank | and make a custom app the same way the "file transfer app" works |
| 04:04.09 | dotblank | *xmpp |
| 04:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | buffering 30s before sending the whole block will create a mostly useless app |
| 04:04.45 | dotblank | 30s is too long |
| 04:04.56 | dotblank | the audio segments are short like "where are you" |
| 04:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | even 10s is too long |
| 04:05.06 | dotblank | and they can be highly compressed |
| 04:05.19 | dotblank | don't buffer at all |
| 04:05.23 | dotblank | don't stream |
| 04:05.36 | dotblank | record packet encode and upload |
| 04:05.47 | dotblank | sequentially |
| 04:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | what's the diff to 'stream' then? |
| 04:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | stream does exactly that |
| 04:06.33 | asj | DocScrutinizer: nah I don't think it's a huge deal to store and forward, it's not like you're in the same room and kinda like sms/im/irc latency, which is fine some things |
| 04:06.34 | dotblank | stream would be while talking encode on the fly and upload on the fly while the other phone decodes on the fly |
| 04:06.50 | asj | dotblank: that's called streaming |
| 04:06.58 | dotblank | asj, my point exactly |
| 04:07.17 | dotblank | asj, store and forward isnt really streaming |
| 04:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | and what is it you're doing differently? |
| 04:07.38 | dotblank | do store and forward instead of streaming |
| 04:07.46 | asj | is confused |
| 04:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense. RTP is buffering (==storing) packets, encodes them and forwards them |
| 04:08.01 | dotblank | the differance is very slight |
| 04:08.12 | dotblank | it wouldn't be RTP |
| 04:08.27 | dotblank | well I guess it would but not real time |
| 04:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | what for?? |
| 04:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | to differentiate? |
| 04:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | unique feature, we got delay |
| 04:09.11 | dotblank | it would like a text message but with audio |
| 04:09.18 | dotblank | but transported over xmpp |
| 04:09.44 | dotblank | yea but it would I believe perform better on unreliable networks |
| 04:09.57 | dotblank | I'd rather it get delayed then be choppy |
| 04:10.35 | dotblank | also for a proof of concept it would be easier to get it started withouyt buffering |
| 04:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh, so you actually want to buffer a whole 30s package? |
| 04:10.36 | asj | one of the problems with voip is jitter and lost packaets, would be useful to have short audio clips that actually worked |
| 04:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | possibly even longer |
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| 04:11.36 | dotblank | asj, exactly.. delay isn't an issue for a walkie talkie cell phone app wich means we can avoid jitter and lost packets |
| 04:11.59 | dotblank | well not lost packets but if its over tcp it would send all the audio |
| 04:12.17 | dotblank | I don't care if it has to retransmit the entire message as long as it gets sent eventually |
| 04:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | asj: you got exactly same problem with every media transfer. You're just sugesting here to increase blocksize to virtually infinite, so you don't get jitter by definition. Still it's no difference to RTP |
| 04:13.08 | dotblank | RTP usually runs on udp right? |
| 04:13.13 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so Nokia wants to use "you can change it!" as a selling point, but really don't want you to change it |
| 04:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | RTP could work with 2s frames instead of 20ms frames |
| 04:13.33 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, that would work better |
| 04:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | RTP can run over TCP as well |
| 04:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | twinkle has TCP-VoIP |
| 04:14.02 | asj | DocScrutinizer: I guess I care less about the method of transfer, and more the idea of user discovery and accetable audio |
| 04:14.16 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, but I would perfer over a network that changes and could be vast in distance and dynamic to send the entire message at once with error checking and retransmission |
| 04:14.25 | luke-jr | ponders just recording until key up, then transmitting the whole thing |
| 04:14.57 | luke-jr | asj: isn't method of transfer relevant to compatibility with normal phones? |
| 04:15.03 | dotblank | I think RTP would be too complex in a environment too dynamic and unreliable |
| 04:15.32 | dotblank | I think it would be safer to do as luke-jr says |
| 04:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: when sending whole msg you get no PTT but a weird audio attachment mail app |
| 04:15.56 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, yes but easy and its still push to talk with delay |
| 04:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | PTT is meant to be almost realtime, with maybe a short delay of max 4s |
| 04:16.19 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, not too sure about that |
| 04:16.29 | asj | luke-jr: you mean non-n900? that depends if there's anything existing you could plug into. If the driod app is popular then do that, assuming verzion doesn't have it locked up tighter than a catholic preist around small children |
| 04:16.30 | dotblank | but delay couyld be about 4s |
| 04:16.40 | dotblank | if the clip is 2 seconds long |
| 04:16.52 | dotblank | 4s after end of recording might be possible |
| 04:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | worthless |
| 04:17.29 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, well jeez your tough |
| 04:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | you can't dialog, so you could as well talk to your partner's voicebox instead |
| 04:17.46 | asj | DocScrutinizer: im must be worthless too ;) |
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| 04:18.07 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, yea but thats a hassle |
| 04:18.13 | dotblank | Im talking ease of use |
| 04:18.32 | dotblank | who is going to check thier vbox every 5 mins? |
| 04:18.43 | dotblank | and go through menus |
| 04:19.12 | dotblank | Im just saying a droid app does this.. works well and is very usable |
| 04:19.22 | dotblank | Im just sad there isn't a n900 clone.. |
| 04:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | ease of use means you don't get collisions which will happen inevitably when far end is supposed to wait 60s if maybe you answer a long monolog. They for sure will press button again and send a "what now? answer!" and you're in a mess |
| 04:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | as this can't be played back while you record |
| 04:20.00 | cheriff | always thought PTT was just the marketing name for "streamlined method of recording an audio clip, attaching to an MMS and sending" |
| 04:20.19 | dotblank | ok so whats more important? speed or reliability is what it boils down to.. you could also get "I didn't understand that go again?" |
| 04:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | then after you send out that monolog, you get all the stored up msgs from far end which date back |
| 04:20.57 | dotblank | maybe send a record packet to let the user know in realtime hes recording a message and its on its way |
| 04:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | won't fly. Usability research on such systems showed users can not cope with delays >4s |
| 04:21.24 | dotblank | see give status and the issue is resolved |
| 04:21.47 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, if they need less then 4s they should call each other |
| 04:22.31 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, maybe offer both.. an option for RT or Reliability |
| 04:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: yes, PTT is a simplex realtime dialog, while you are talking about MMS |
| 04:23.00 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, yes its really a mms in a nutshell.. I just want to make it easier and run over jabber/xmpp |
| 04:23.49 | dotblank | It shouldn't be that hard to make |
| 04:25.17 | dotblank | http://hit-mob.com/category/walkie-talkie/ |
| 04:25.21 | dotblank | thats an example |
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| 04:49.33 | ilius | is there any binary package microemulator for N900? |
| 04:49.47 | ilius | or i have to compile myself? |
| 04:56.06 | luke-jr | ilius: wtf does that mean? |
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| 04:56.47 | ilius | luke-jr: what is wtf? i dont know about it! |
| 04:56.55 | RST38h | He wants MIDP |
| 04:57.03 | RST38h | ilius: There is some. |
| 04:58.07 | slonopotamus | zomg |
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| 04:59.04 | slonopotamus | maemo bug jar now has curves :) spent several seconds trying to understand wtf happenned to my rss reader |
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| 05:07.34 | Stskeeps | tries to awaken |
| 05:08.18 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: the fact they removed 'charging' screen from fremantle was stupid |
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| 05:08.44 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: many people think their n900's are dead as you can't distinguish at times between typical startup or charging |
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| 05:11.16 | slonopotamus | the fact that it doesn't boot to desktop if was turned off and then was plugged into charger is stupid. |
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| 05:14.25 | slonopotamus | and startup sound (unless it is followed by first-boot-wizard) is stupid too. |
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| 05:17.38 | ilius | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/microemulator/2.0.4-2/ |
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| 05:18.50 | ilius | download link is currepted http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/microemulator/microemulator_2.0.4-2_armel.deb |
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| 05:21.05 | ilius | RST38h: i can't find any! |
| 05:21.47 | ilius | RST38h: and that does not exist in my application manager |
| 05:22.45 | slonopotamus | ilius: did you add extras-testing repo? :) |
| 05:23.36 | ilius | slonopotamus: no |
| 05:25.33 | slonopotamus | :) |
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| 05:52.13 | luke-jr | TermanaN900: ? |
| 05:52.17 | TermanaN900 | wtf is this ipv6 shit. MUTANY I TELL YA |
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| 06:52.53 | ilius | i added extras-testing repo, but still the is no package microemulator! |
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| 07:09.15 | dotblank | I wonder if programming an interactive serial terminal on an arduino board that displays a series of questions that when answered correctly displays my secret gpg key and kept in a safe deposit box overkill? |
| 07:10.06 | FauxFaux | Physical access etc. |
| 07:10.08 | Stskeeps | depends on if you consider your data valuable after your death |
| 07:10.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:11.51 | dotblank | Stskeeps, hmm good point better encrypt the memory on the board and decode it at runtime with a key generated from sha1 of all the answers |
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| 07:16.45 | jacekowski | dotblank: it wouldn't be very safe |
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| 07:17.54 | jacekowski | dotblank: anybody with bit of a time can suck that program out of avr |
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| 07:18.18 | luke-jr | replace the questions with a raw 30 digit number |
| 07:18.24 | luke-jr | and memorize that number |
| 07:18.31 | jacekowski | saying that avr's are still very secure devices |
| 07:18.40 | jacekowski | fuses buried under 2 metal layers |
| 07:18.44 | jacekowski | in middle of flash |
| 07:19.14 | FauxFaux | Actually, yeah, you could just cryptinate the stuff and the questions can generate the key, up to some obscene length. |
| 07:19.43 | jacekowski | and uv is not going to work because ereased fuses mean locked device |
| 07:19.48 | luke-jr | actually, 30 digit number is only like 33 bits :| |
| 07:19.51 | RST38h | yawns |
| 07:19.56 | jacekowski | but if somebody would have like FIB |
| 07:20.13 | jacekowski | then he can suck key out in less than couple minutes |
| 07:21.23 | luke-jr | just have it voice locked |
| 07:21.36 | jacekowski | so? |
| 07:21.36 | luke-jr | then you have an excuse to not work when you're sick |
| 07:21.41 | luke-jr | "my voice doesn't match!" |
| 07:22.21 | luke-jr | could always have it hash your brainwaves too |
| 07:22.22 | luke-jr | : |
| 07:22.24 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 07:23.00 | FauxFaux | Or hash your penis, showing you varoius bits of porn. Like to see that work under duress. |
| 07:24.25 | luke-jr | â¦â¦.. |
| 07:24.50 | FauxFaux | I'm not sure I'd like to see any device capable of hashing penises. |
| 07:26.12 | dotblank | lol |
| 07:27.16 | dotblank | look just make it computer realted questions |
| 07:27.24 | dotblank | no one will be able to answer them |
| 07:28.33 | dotblank | What was the name of the c++ class you used to overcome auto-rotation issues |
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| 07:34.09 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's not 1.8 |
| 07:34.16 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's more like 2.6V |
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| 08:25.59 | jacekowski | that nav software for n8x0 |
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| 08:35.13 | cheriff | hi again, if i'm reading correctly, flasher-3.5 allows you to say load a kernel image and than boot it directly from memory by specifying -l -b instead of -f -R .. Is that correct? |
| 08:35.17 | Stskeeps | right |
| 08:35.24 | Stskeeps | what are you hoping to do? |
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| 08:36.52 | makulkar | I need to convert UYVY format to RGB for camera buffer. What is the hardware solution for conversion? as software conversion kills CPU? |
| 08:37.17 | cheriff | well i was looking at the u-boot sources, and was going to use that to test progressive builds without constantly flashing .. but then i just realised this allows me to do that without needing to port uboot, so moot discussion :) |
| 08:37.40 | Stskeeps | cheriff: ah, yeah |
| 08:37.50 | Stskeeps | progressive builds of? |
| 08:39.38 | ssvb | makulkar: gstreamer should have NEON optimizations for that |
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| 08:39.41 | ssvb | what kind of software conversion are you using now? |
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| 08:40.20 | cheriff | Stskeeps: at first u-boot, and then a microkernel i have working on the beagleboard (and on n900 but via a *really* gross hack where a custom linux .ko hopes to find enough high contiguous physmem to load from mmc and then jump) |
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| 08:40.55 | cheriff | but futzing with the mmc each cycle, and my mistrust in 'using maemo as a bootloader' scheme i was looking into alternatives :) |
| 08:41.18 | makulkar | ssvb, written a own logic to convert to RGB |
| 08:41.25 | makulkar | ssvb, googled rather |
| 08:41.32 | jacekowski | hmm |
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| 08:41.39 | hrw | morgen |
| 08:41.44 | jacekowski | where i can find libhildonwidgets.so.0 |
| 08:41.50 | Stskeeps | cheriff: if you can make your kernel boot as a 'zimage' format, that's probably easier |
| 08:42.39 | cheriff | yeah. and isnt zImage just self-extracting elf? (ie the gzip'dness of it should be optional, other than size constraints) |
| 08:42.56 | Stskeeps | can't recall specifics but i don't think you're far off |
| 08:43.17 | makulkar | ssvb, can you give some link on NEON? I couldnt find any :( |
| 08:43.24 | jacekowski | makulkar: google |
| 08:43.25 | cheriff | either way, shouldn't bee too tough to sort out. Thanks for the hearening tips on flasher!! |
| 08:43.34 | jacekowski | makulkar: lmgtfy.com/?q=neon+arm |
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| 08:44.46 | makulkar | jacekowski, my bad its arm! thanks! |
| 08:45.42 | ssvb | makulkar: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gst-plugins-base0.10/ |
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| 08:46.31 | ssvb | makulkar: though it may have a bit different conversion optimized and not exactly the one you need |
| 08:46.56 | ssvb | makulkar: look in 'debian/patches' directory |
| 08:47.40 | makulkar | ssvb, great stuff! will check now. thanks |
| 08:50.19 | makulkar | ssvb, its still CPU solution isnt it? |
| 08:50.52 | ssvb | makulkar: yes, but you are memory bandwidth limited anyway |
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| 08:58.39 | tybollt | hrrrm |
| 08:58.48 | tybollt | anyone got cfdisk working? |
| 08:58.52 | tybollt | or even regular fdisk? |
| 08:59.12 | tybollt | what package is fdisk part of? Should be diskutils some sorta? |
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| 09:15.28 | jacekowski | UART boot: UART3 is the only possible UART from which boot can be |
| 09:15.30 | jacekowski | performed. |
| 09:15.32 | jacekowski | ehhh |
| 09:15.37 | jacekowski | that kinda sucks |
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| 10:27.09 | haj | anyone here tried the mycontacts-widget? and if so.. Do you like it? |
| 10:27.21 | haj | it could be a reason to mod to 5 workspaces ;) |
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| 10:34.06 | alterego | Just bought that OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide book, :) |
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| 10:39.37 | Viliny_on_N900 | hello :) |
| 10:39.44 | jacekowski | hello |
| 10:40.20 | Viliny_on_N900 | its now been a while since i last came here. has there been any reports of n900 failing due to overclocking yet? |
| 10:40.36 | jacekowski | some |
| 10:40.39 | alterego | Viliny_on_N900: I heard of one, but I don't know. |
| 10:40.49 | alterego | Heh, cool. |
| 10:40.49 | Stskeeps | yes, someone got lcd glass into their face |
| 10:40.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:41.19 | Viliny_on_N900 | liar :D |
| 10:41.27 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: do you have spare n900? |
| 10:41.31 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: no |
| 10:41.34 | alterego | Can I get a set of GLES2 headers for ubuntu 10.04 to dos mobile dev on a computer? |
| 10:41.35 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: i do intend to buy one |
| 10:41.55 | jacekowski | i want to test something with bootloader |
| 10:41.56 | Viliny_on_N900 | i stopped using the oc kernel with the öatest |
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| 10:42.04 | Viliny_on_N900 | latest update |
| 10:42.04 | mirf | as long as you're not letting it overheat then failure is not somethign I'd worry about |
| 10:42.22 | jacekowski | mirf: read the datasheet |
| 10:42.32 | jacekowski | mirf: just running it at higher frequency makes it life shorter |
| 10:42.47 | Viliny_on_N900 | people here were so determined that oc:ing was baaad |
| 10:43.16 | Viliny_on_N900 | so i went ahead and stopped doing it. since i only have extensive experience with x86 |
| 10:43.51 | mirf | OK but isn't it underclocked at stock settings |
| 10:43.53 | Viliny_on_N900 | just curious if there were reported cases of damaged units now that some time has passed |
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| 10:44.30 | Viliny_on_N900 | not at mas load no... 600mhz and the specs is 600mhz for this particular cpu... right? |
| 10:44.33 | alterego | mirf: no it's not underclocked, it's clocked at exactly what TI have said it should run at. |
| 10:44.39 | Viliny_on_N900 | max load* |
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| 10:45.04 | mirf | I see |
| 10:46.05 | Viliny_on_N900 | there is a 1000mhz variant thats almost the same i think... source of confusion for people thinking it's a 1ghz running at 0,6 |
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| 10:46.46 | Viliny_on_N900 | wonder how big of a price diff the faster one would have made. |
| 10:47.26 | Viliny_on_N900 | oh well. i fine with the speed now that 1,2 is out. |
| 10:52.52 | jacekowski | you would need bigger battery for 1GHz one |
| 10:53.24 | jacekowski | because that small one in n900 would be just sucked out in hour or 2 |
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| 11:04.13 | haj | villager: I didn't hear of any.. |
| 11:04.39 | haj | oh, he left :) |
| 11:05.00 | haj | is still running OC'ed with no problems... 1GHz max freq the last 2 weeks. |
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| 11:05.57 | haj | I can't make that hack to use more than 4 home views work.. it just doesn't do anything |
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| 11:06.55 | kerio | it's not just about price |
| 11:07.08 | kerio | i don't think that the 1ghz version is that much pricier than the .6 one |
| 11:07.30 | Stskeeps | you're assuming it existed at the time |
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| 11:12.47 | X-Fade | Harware design is probably close to 2 years old by now. |
| 11:15.39 | lcuk | jacekowski, considering a stock device - if it ran at 600mhz continuously then the battery would drain, but the cpu throttles itself anyway |
| 11:16.08 | lcuk | so not even considering overclocking, the only reason a battery should drain quicker is with a runaway process |
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| 11:17.18 | haj | kerio: I don't think they are much different... the 6. and the 1 |
| 11:17.30 | haj | but thats speculation.. I don't know anything about i.. :) |
| 11:18.40 | lcuk | X-Fade, \o |
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| 11:26.36 | marcus__ | Heya guys, could anybody tell me how to patch the python script described in the wiki? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting_installation_with_GUI_installer |
| 11:27.12 | marcus__ | Running non-debian linux, so I need to patch |
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| 11:27.45 | range | act |
| 11:27.48 | range | Grrr. |
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| 11:45.50 | marcus__ | IndentationError: unexpected indent |
| 11:45.53 | marcus__ | Anyone know the problem? |
| 11:49.32 | smhar | this page should be updated for maemo5 1.2: http://maemo.org/development/training/ it will be very valuable |
| 11:50.33 | alterego | teeheehee, finally got texture mapping sorted in GLES2 :) |
| 11:50.39 | alterego | Book was a good idea. |
| 11:56.03 | smhar | specially updating it to qt |
| 11:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | (<jacekowski> SpeedEvil: it's more like 2.6V) PLEASE check again, CAREFULLY |
| 11:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | 2V6 is completely odd |
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| 11:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | all IO is on 1V8, and we occasionally see V_IO3.3 |
| 11:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure you used GND testpad? |
| 11:59.12 | Macer | ugh |
| 11:59.15 | Macer | osx is a pain |
| 11:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah eso 10.3 on N900 |
| 11:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | esp* |
| 11:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 11:59.51 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 12:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | you know the video |
| 12:00.44 | cehteh | strange .. again this weird led pattern |
| 12:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU&feature=related |
| 12:01.06 | Macer | weird led pattern? |
| 12:01.21 | MohammadAG51 | red on/off? |
| 12:01.40 | Macer | maybe it is trying to send you a msg from outer space in morris code |
| 12:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | please describe more detail |
| 12:01.53 | kerio | morris code? wtf? |
| 12:02.01 | cehteh | MohammadAG51: white full bright, fading to 75%, rinse repeat |
| 12:02.06 | cehteh | some strange bug |
| 12:02.13 | Macer | somewhere on the international space station a russian cosmonaut is dying trying his last idea out to be saved |
| 12:02.15 | cehteh | i dont have such a pattern in my mce.ini |
| 12:02.20 | MohammadAG51 | pelota widget leftovers? |
| 12:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | rinse?? |
| 12:02.36 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, he uses it as a washer apparently |
| 12:02.40 | Duckboot | cehteh: You have been infected. There is no cure. |
| 12:02.46 | Macer | and you are ignoring the call for help |
| 12:02.55 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: btw.. lookink at the clock on the ppc boot .. hehe |
| 12:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | roundabout 3h |
| 12:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | or sth |
| 12:03.40 | Wolfie | whee, the maemo bug jar reports just got better with those graphs |
| 12:03.48 | Wolfie | ...but how, exactly, should those graphs be read? |
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| 12:04.17 | Wolfie | i guess horizontal is time, and vertical is amount, but what's at the bottom, and what's the top? |
| 12:04.24 | cehteh | and 'F12 enables mouse' .. haha |
| 12:04.42 | Wolfie | and what is the timeframe? |
| 12:04.50 | Macer | heh |
| 12:05.28 | cehteh | bye |
| 12:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | wonders who's will marone? Needs a big hug, as it seems nobody ever is testing a package |
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| 12:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: check if mce is running at all |
| 12:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: enable another pattern via dbus cmd to mce, then disable it and see if the faulty pattern returns |
| 12:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | (which would mean it's actually managed by mce and the pattern stack of mce) |
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| 12:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: and what'S meaning of 'rinse'? is it a typo of 'rise'? |
| 12:14.36 | SpeedEvil | "lather, rinse, repeat" |
| 12:14.49 | SpeedEvil | It's the instructions on many bottles of shampoo. |
| 12:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 12:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | though always thought the repeat part is pretty useless - except for those selling the shampoo |
| 12:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | white full bright, fading to 75%, rinse repeat |
| 12:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | sounds weird though |
| 12:18.11 | smhar | is it possible to use the terminal -command line- to export the contacts addresses? |
| 12:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer a proper pattern for mce, exactly mimicking the weird pattern |
| 12:19.44 | alterego | Hrm, so I can manually load textures using Qt, but the Qt bindTexture function doesn't work for me :/ |
| 12:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: seems *possible*, but only with program that doesn't exist on N900 by default |
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| 12:20.21 | smhar | docscrutinizer, which one? |
| 12:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 12:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | yet to write |
| 12:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | needs to use contacts lib and access the database to print out contacts to commandline. Don't know of existing such program |
| 12:21.32 | smhar | docscrutinizer, do you mean another contacts program? or another program to read stock contacts program? |
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| 12:22.22 | krakan | smhar: I believe the contacts are stored in a Berkeley DB file; so it isn't too difficult to access them. |
| 12:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | from cmdline? how? |
| 12:23.15 | krakan | I have a script at home that does that ... let's see if i remember ... |
| 12:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | found no berkleyDB analogon to sqlite |
| 12:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | krakan: *much* appreciated |
| 12:24.33 | alterego | Finally managed to load a texture, but QGLWidget::bindTexture still isn't working for me :/ |
| 12:24.36 | krakan | hm, it's a perl script |
| 12:24.44 | smhar | krakan, me too:-) |
| 12:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | krakan: nevertheless, I'll buy it |
| 12:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | even when it's perl |
| 12:25.27 | visz | use DB_File; |
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| 12:27.24 | krakan | I don't remember which perl module I'm using and I'm not doing it on the N900 but on my Debian laptop. DB_File sound familiar though. |
| 12:27.55 | visz | http://perldoc.perl.org/DB_File.html |
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| 12:28.30 | krakan | visz: does that work on the N900? |
| 12:28.42 | visz | no idea |
| 12:29.11 | PolarFox | Where is my LCARS theme for N900? Why I has none? :) |
| 12:29.39 | visz | =D |
| 12:30.04 | visz | also: communicator ring tone |
| 12:30.25 | visz | and tricorder sounds for sms etc |
| 12:30.35 | PolarFox | And a transporter, I hate driving. |
| 12:31.05 | PolarFox | Or at least I would like transporter more... |
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| 12:32.05 | visz | ahha |
| 12:32.06 | visz | File: .osso-abook/db |
| 12:32.07 | visz | Format: berkley database |
| 12:32.07 | visz | Contents: address book vcard data. |
| 12:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | visz: startrek communicator sound on sliding kbd open :-D |
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| 12:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | and per-contact ringtones in friggin .osso-abook/db |
| 12:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | if it wasn't for friggin libabook I'd probably already implemented it |
| 12:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | i want FSO on maemo :`( |
| 12:37.47 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: Startrek Communicator on slide open kbd.... That would be awesome, and annoying at the same time. |
| 12:38.03 | Duckboot | Cool |
| 12:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you're so right dude. I know what you're talking of - i got it |
| 12:38.28 | Duckboot | Hehe |
| 12:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | worst thing is play-sound doesn't honor volume setting or any profile |
| 12:39.11 | Duckboot | Hahaha |
| 12:39.34 | Duckboot | Even more awesome and annoying |
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| 12:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | and when I ask "how would I plyback a wav with same volume like ringtone is right that moment?" I never get any pointer |
| 12:40.56 | visz | i think there is an app to play a sound when opening the keyboard |
| 12:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | n900 audio concept is a noncept, undocumented and weird |
| 12:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | visz: that app is called dbus scripts |
| 12:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | though I know here's something more specialized |
| 12:41.55 | visz | Nokia N900 LockDaemon "App" Plays audio file when you slide keyboard |
| 12:42.00 | visz | ahha |
| 12:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | does it blend? err level the volume? |
| 12:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | and shut up on silent profile |
| 12:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 12:43.45 | PolarFox | And other media players have to look like fmradio to be heard if silent profile is on? |
| 12:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | noncept |
| 12:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | FSCKNG undocumented policy enforcer engine in PA |
| 12:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | no config interface, no GUI to set up per app policies, no.... nuttin |
| 12:45.49 | visz | men |
| 12:45.52 | visz | meh |
| 12:45.56 | visz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | let's put it that way: audio on linux is screwed and always has been, and introducing PA didn't exactly help on that. But on smartphones running linux it's madness at its best |
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| 12:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | jumping thru the room in weird patterns and cackles laud and dangerous |
| 12:52.17 | Macer | are there any scanners that can scan as pdf and store them on a micro sd all on their own? |
| 12:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | urges developers of pulseaudio for a mass duell next noon |
| 12:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | weapon: javelins |
| 12:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | and railguns |
| 12:53.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: are you proficient in any type of barehanded fighting, or combat with one or more weapons, including both firearms and knives and alike? |
| 12:53.58 | kerio | i need to know because i'm taking bets |
| 12:54.27 | SpeedEvil | gets his railgun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_gun |
| 12:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm mad. So mad at PA I simply can not lose that fight |
| 12:54.57 | MohammadAG51 | Railguns ftw |
| 12:55.26 | kerio | ok, PA developers are in for 1.80:1 |
| 12:55.35 | MohammadAG51 | somehow i feel DocScrutinizer has been at the army |
| 12:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | I have my own army :-P |
| 12:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | we are BORG, resistance is futile! |
| 12:56.32 | kerio | SpeedEvil: much better railgun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun |
| 12:57.00 | haj | sadly in Denmark most things funny are illegal.. including bicycles with no brakes, railguns, and having your own army... |
| 12:57.07 | haj | it's even illigal to own a tank. |
| 12:57.27 | haj | (even if it can't shoot) |
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| 12:57.46 | MohammadAG51 | you can't have a gun where i live |
| 12:57.48 | PolarFox | haj: what about field artillery? |
| 12:58.03 | haj | PolarFox: uhm.. I guess thats a no-no as well |
| 12:58.11 | kerio | haj: we need to write a working n900nuke |
| 12:58.21 | PolarFox | I've seen some nice artillery pieces in one backyard in Pori, Finland.. :) |
| 12:58.24 | haj | PolarFox: you need permission to own those small canons they use at parties ;) |
| 12:58.43 | haj | salute canon I guess they call them |
| 12:59.01 | PolarFox | haj: And they are metal pipes with wheels... |
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| 12:59.31 | GAN900 | As a random aside: Inception is excellent. |
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| 13:00.02 | MohammadAG51 | GAN900, it's awesome! Seen it on saturday |
| 13:00.13 | MohammadAG51 | i'd watch it again :D |
| 13:00.13 | crashanddie | GAN900: you're awesome too, duntwori |
| 13:00.27 | haj | PolarFox: Because of stupid people making laws it has recently been outlawed walking on the street with a knife in your pocket, or having a knife in your car, or your bag... So I can't have a Leatherman |
| 13:00.32 | haj | PolarFox: it's so stupid |
| 13:00.34 | GAN900 | Although it's rather rushed and lacking character development for it. |
| 13:00.44 | GAN900 | haj, where? |
| 13:00.49 | haj | GAN900: Denmark |
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| 13:00.57 | crashanddie | haj: why do you need a knife on you? |
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| 13:01.06 | haj | crashanddie: I'd like a multitool |
| 13:01.14 | MohammadAG51 | to melee of course |
| 13:01.14 | haj | crashanddie: And the knife is useful |
| 13:01.15 | MohammadAG51 | duh |
| 13:01.23 | haj | MohammadAG51: that too ;) |
| 13:01.29 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: don't you throw rocks at thanks? |
| 13:01.34 | crashanddie | tanks |
| 13:01.35 | crashanddie | ** |
| 13:01.47 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, no, I throw knives now |
| 13:01.52 | PolarFox | haj: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/19982222 Scene from my homecity ;) |
| 13:01.58 | crashanddie | well, I'm guessing you throw rocks at "thanks" too, considering how many you're getting :P |
| 13:02.08 | tybollt | crashie |
| 13:02.11 | GAN900 | haj, ah, well, who's surprised. :P |
| 13:02.20 | tybollt | where the heck you been? :) |
| 13:02.41 | PolarFox | haj: What about fishing? In Denmark I have to fish without a knife? :) |
| 13:02.50 | GAN900 | haj, come to Florida, we'll even let you carry a gun in your pocket. ;) |
| 13:02.50 | tybollt | crashanddie: sub 600-700 EUR MTB, preferably hardtail, do recommend one :) |
| 13:03.08 | haj | PolarFox: You can be excused if you have a good reason... so camping, fishing and stuff is okay |
| 13:03.08 | crashanddie | tybollt: same as mine? |
| 13:03.14 | tybollt | no |
| 13:03.14 | MohammadAG51 | GAN900, can I come? :) |
| 13:03.18 | PolarFox | GAN900: Well, in finland 15 year old can get a permit for a shotgun.. |
| 13:03.25 | tybollt | crashanddie: you got pro gear... I'm a happy amateur :) |
| 13:03.27 | PolarFox | haj: Same here then ;) |
| 13:03.34 | haj | PolarFox: but you can't put your fishinggear in your car, and visit somebody and then go fish.. you need to go directly from your home to fish |
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| 13:04.06 | haj | PolarFox: A guy got 7 days jail for driving around with fishinggear that included a knife a few months ago.. ;) |
| 13:04.19 | tybollt | PolarFox: ? They changed that, didnät they? |
| 13:04.25 | PolarFox | haj: So I need my letherman for computer stuff, and I'm required to be ready to go to work when the phone rings... :) |
| 13:04.30 | tybollt | IIRC after those coupla school shootings |
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| 13:04.51 | PolarFox | tybollt: No they didn't.. It's just harder.. You can still hunt when you are 15.. |
| 13:05.21 | haj | tybollt: you can't have a knife because of school shootings? |
| 13:05.24 | PolarFox | has shot with an assault rifle replica when he was 16... in a public firing range. |
| 13:05.39 | haj | shot a canon when he was 16.. ;) |
| 13:05.40 | PolarFox | without parental supervision. |
| 13:06.05 | haj | it was a small one though |
| 13:06.10 | crashanddie | tybollt: you might be able to get a good kona kula in nice shape for 600-700 eur (second hand) |
| 13:06.10 | haj | homemade |
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| 13:06.21 | HtheB | o/ |
| 13:06.48 | HtheB | How can I remove the RD mode without using the USB cable? :p |
| 13:06.50 | haj | PolarFox: actually what pisses me of most is that it's even illegal for kids to have a slingshot... thats just plain stupid |
| 13:07.19 | luke-jr | last I checked, minors can't legally own anything anyway⦠;) |
| 13:07.20 | GAN900 | PolarFox, here you don't need a permit. :P |
| 13:07.25 | HtheB | cauz the usb port broke off :p |
| 13:07.30 | crashanddie | tybollt: or go for the saracen pylon 8, I saw it a couple of times (new) on ebay for 400 quid |
| 13:07.45 | GAN900 | luke-jr, shades of gray. |
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| 13:08.01 | PolarFox | GAN900: It's funny that way.. ;) |
| 13:08.08 | MohammadAG | HtheB, R&D mode status is stored in cal afaik, jacekowski might know |
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| 13:08.50 | crashanddie | tybollt: if you get it, change the tyres and rims (tyres that come with it are road/very heavy and shitty) and rims aren't brilliant either |
| 13:08.53 | luke-jr | I plan to teach my kids rifle shooting at age 10 |
| 13:08.55 | GAN900 | And, no, MohammadAG, we only extend invitation to people with cool nicks. :P |
| 13:09.11 | MohammadAG | bastards |
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| 13:09.30 | HtheB | lol, disconnected |
| 13:10.04 | GAN900 | luke-jr, good plan, just make sure you start with a .22. *g* |
| 13:10.08 | crashanddie | tybollt: then you can throw in a rockshox reba for about 300 quid, amazing fork (take the race version if you can) |
| 13:10.16 | luke-jr | GAN900: ofc |
| 13:10.19 | GAN900 | Anybody see the Engadget post on MeeGo today? |
| 13:10.23 | crashanddie | GAN900: you |
| 13:10.47 | MohammadAG | seen the title, cba to read it |
| 13:11.18 | luke-jr | GAN900: they'll also be learning Public Speaking, Trapping, Firearm Maintenance, Archery, Algebra, and Photography :P |
| 13:11.22 | luke-jr | (at least) |
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| 13:12.02 | crashanddie | tybollt: that's my normal bike. I just fitted new rims (with power hub in front), new tyres, new seat, new pedals, new seatpost, changed the fingerbuzzers, cut the gear lever so that I could reverse right brake lever and gears, and that was it. |
| 13:12.58 | crashanddie | tybollt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/tags/bike/ |
| 13:13.13 | crashanddie | though, the orange colour is really a "STEAL ME" factor. |
| 13:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | watches foolish Denmark people eat their steaks with a spoon |
| 13:13.29 | crashanddie | anyway, gotta run. |
| 13:13.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: lol what? |
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| 13:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: >>[2010-07-26 15:00:27] <haj> PolarFox: Because of stupid people making laws it has recently been outlawed walking on the street with a knife in your pocket...<< |
| 13:15.41 | luke-jr | ah |
| 13:15.47 | luke-jr | any knife at all? O.o |
| 13:16.11 | luke-jr | I've literally had to do that for my own protection before actually |
| 13:16.48 | luke-jr | some nut was using my open WiFi, and I gave him some rules if he didn't want me cutting him off⦠he basically threatened me |
| 13:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | heard in Italy you get arrested for carrying a screwdriver with you |
| 13:17.23 | MohammadAG51 | grrr, X crashed on my PC |
| 13:17.30 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, |
| 13:17.30 | HtheB | Do you know how I can remove the R&D mode without using the USB cable? :p |
| 13:17.39 | MohammadAG51 | ask jacekowski |
| 13:17.49 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: butâ¦.. butâ¦â¦ |
| 13:17.50 | jacekowski | i know |
| 13:18.04 | luke-jr | HtheB: I'm curious how you charge without using the USB cable |
| 13:18.36 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, connect the pins to a car battery |
| 13:18.45 | luke-jr | HtheB: to answer your question though, there should be some cal-tool or something on the tablet itself |
| 13:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | and I know that I don't know, but it's hard for sure, as there seems no standard tool for disabling R&D from userland |
| 13:19.17 | Duckboot | MohammadAG51: Hehe - The mental picture of a dude carrying a car battery with him as a charger for his phone.... |
| 13:19.19 | luke-jr | ah, N900 cal-tool only reads |
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| 13:19.49 | HtheB_ | >.< |
| 13:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep |
| 13:20.27 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 13:20.32 | jacekowski | so you want to disable rd-mode |
| 13:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that's on purpose |
| 13:20.34 | HtheB_ | yeah :) |
| 13:20.43 | HtheB_ | my usb broke off :p |
| 13:20.56 | jacekowski | aaaaah |
| 13:21.01 | Duckboot | Once you had the red pill - there is no going back... |
| 13:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: maybe get it fixed then? |
| 13:21.20 | jacekowski | HtheB: they will know that you had r&d mode enabled |
| 13:21.24 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, I want to send it back, :) |
| 13:21.28 | HtheB | hmm |
| 13:21.34 | jacekowski | HtheB: cal keeps that sort of info anyways |
| 13:21.35 | luke-jr | are there any negative effects of R&D mode on N900? |
| 13:21.40 | Termana | I think someone developed a tools/script/something or rather that allowed writing to the appropriate space that cal-tool reads. Not recommended though |
| 13:21.46 | Termana | luke-jr, flashing keyboard lights? |
| 13:21.48 | jacekowski | luke-jr: power drain |
| 13:21.54 | jacekowski | luke-jr: keyboard is constantly lit |
| 13:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: hehe and now you're worried they'd otice your overclocking? |
| 13:21.59 | jacekowski | even when closed |
| 13:22.06 | HtheB | it's ok, just if it s not able to see while booting |
| 13:22.14 | MohammadAG51 | unless you change the config file |
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| 13:22.58 | HtheB | jacekowski, how can I do this? :) |
| 13:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I thought kbd has blinking mode when in R&D - that's hardly called lit, and it shouldn't be constantly on either |
| 13:23.48 | luke-jr | jacekowski: aha, I thought my lighting was weird XD |
| 13:23.49 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it stays on all the time, unless you change some file in /etc |
| 13:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | now that's weird |
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| 13:24.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd really like to learn more about that particular file |
| 13:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | pointers? |
| 13:25.09 | MohammadAG51 | /etc/pmconfig |
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| 13:27.37 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ping? |
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| 13:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 13:28.38 | tybollt | hmm |
| 13:28.39 | E0x | morning |
| 13:28.52 | tybollt | anyone around here using browser switchboard? |
| 13:29.15 | tybollt | I played around w/ changing to firefox - no go - so switched back to microb |
| 13:29.34 | tybollt | after that microb had an average startup time of between 3 and 4 minutes |
| 13:29.45 | tybollt | (not a joke!) |
| 13:30.29 | MohammadAG51 | tybollt, haha, nice one |
| 13:30.35 | MohammadAG51 | any other jokes? |
| 13:33.18 | tybollt | beats mohammad silly w/ frals |
| 13:33.21 | tybollt | :-) |
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| 13:34.07 | tybollt | MohammadAG51: I don't suppose you're the maintainer of that pkg? |
| 13:34.28 | MohammadAG51 | frals_armel.deb? nah |
| 13:34.34 | tybollt | ;-.) |
| 13:34.55 | jacekowski | tybollt: that fast? |
| 13:34.58 | MohammadAG51 | purges frals |
| 13:35.24 | MohammadAG51 | oh the switchboard, no :P |
| 13:35.43 | tybollt | btw uinstalling switchboard gets microb responsetime back to w/in the second |
| 13:35.50 | tybollt | really confusing... :S |
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| 13:36.14 | tybollt | how'd you make a userland app that'd introduce a delay like that? |
| 13:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | suspects microb preload gets messed up |
| 13:36.27 | MohammadAG51 | most probably |
| 13:36.54 | kerio | tybollt: the real question is, can you make a userland app with a negative delay, so everything can be launched in less time? |
| 13:37.07 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: like it is not able to take advantage of it and so has to start it up from scratch every time using the switchboard? |
| 13:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I guess, yeah |
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| 13:37.37 | tybollt | fair enough, that'd make sense yes |
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| 13:39.34 | tybollt | kerio: Not sure - let's spend 2000+ manhours devising such a project! We'll start off by investigating how we can more efficiently divide by zero! |
| 13:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how other apps relying on mircrob will perform in that situation. Break completely? also take 4 min? or just ignore the switchboard and act as usual? |
| 13:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's called preloading |
| 13:40.52 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: Fwiw starting microb out of the you know - regular applist (top left corner and then the list) is instantaneous |
| 13:41.12 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: it only seems to be the bookie widgets ona desktop |
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| 13:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmhmhm |
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| 13:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | what's with d-bus calls to microb? |
| 13:42.36 | tybollt | really no other swtichboard users around here |
| 13:42.38 | tybollt | ? |
| 13:42.55 | jacekowski | no |
| 13:42.57 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: what'd use that? sms-app, huh? |
| 13:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | I heard messaging is one of those, yeah |
| 13:43.29 | MohammadAG51 | what launches the preloaded apps? |
| 13:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | timeless should know |
| 13:43.38 | timeless_mbp | looks up |
| 13:43.44 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: hildon desktop i believe |
| 13:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: what is relying on microb as support ? |
| 13:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | which apps? |
| 13:44.18 | timeless_mbp | tutorial, maps, conversations |
| 13:44.23 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 13:44.31 | timeless_mbp | i might be missing one or two |
| 13:44.33 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, interesting, wanted to make the clock app reload, it had the line commented out |
| 13:44.41 | MohammadAG51 | X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=500 |
| 13:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | no worries, we got 3 now |
| 13:44.50 | MohammadAG51 | X-Maemo-Prestarted=never |
| 13:44.56 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, ty |
| 13:45.38 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: did you try the switchboard? |
| 13:46.02 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: using the browser-ui as a sample process is a bad idea |
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| 13:46.21 | timeless_mbp | since it has a bookmarks view designed to hide browser engine launch speed |
| 13:46.37 | timeless_mbp | and no, i'm not insane |
| 13:46.58 | timeless_mbp | why would i install an app that's known to break the product i work on? |
| 13:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"google.com" |
| 13:47.50 | MohammadAG51 | if only there was a way to keep the engine running |
| 13:48.13 | toggles_w | more gas |
| 13:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | benders last words before falling into his 30th drink |
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| 13:49.13 | SpeedEvil | it's valid but if you kill browser |
| 13:49.49 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: see. that's what I was fishing for "know to break"... you could've told me that right away ;) |
| 13:50.03 | timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure there's a bug which says that |
| 13:50.23 | timeless_mbp | and i'm pretty sure i've mentioned it repeatedly here |
| 13:50.41 | tybollt | I'm pretty sure you just said I'm not paying attention :) |
| 13:50.52 | tybollt | fair enough, I've installed it now. |
| 13:50.54 | tybollt | uninstalled. |
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| 13:52.32 | salman_ | is it possible to add fields to the contacts profile? |
| 13:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | salman_: no :-( |
| 13:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | pretty mean |
| 13:53.18 | timeless_mbp | s/mean/harsh/ ? |
| 13:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 13:54.05 | luke-jr | possible to get N900 to differentiate between "Missed call" and "picked up on another line"? |
| 13:54.10 | tybollt | well |
| 13:54.17 | tybollt | I convinced my friend to get the N900 |
| 13:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | though mean is more the word I felt is right for it |
| 13:54.20 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i don't think so |
| 13:54.24 | tybollt | "It can do anything - it's Linux" |
| 13:54.34 | lugkhast | So I've read about the N900 charger plug having too tight a hold on the micro-usb socket - is this also the case with the data cable? |
| 13:54.47 | tybollt | now he's totally on my case about it not doing ringsignal per user out of the box, sigh :) |
| 13:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | means as in stingy |
| 13:55.03 | luke-jr | tybollt: if you're going to convince someone, use the truth |
| 13:55.06 | salman_ | docscrutinizer , no fields, no groups, no specific tone per contact/group, I think it is time to do a full contacts replacement, something like 'the killer contacts application' :-) |
| 13:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | "mean" as in stingy |
| 13:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | salman_: ack |
| 13:55.25 | tybollt | luke-jr: Awww :-) |
| 13:55.33 | X-Fade | There is a ringtone per contact plugin for contacts. |
| 13:55.42 | luke-jr | tybollt: just think of the potential disappointment when he finds out he *can't* do anything |
| 13:55.44 | tybollt | X-Fade: true, I know that |
| 13:56.05 | tybollt | luke-jr: :) It can actually do a darn lot |
| 13:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: name? |
| 13:56.20 | luke-jr | tybollt: but not anything by far |
| 13:56.34 | luke-jr | tybollt: there are a lot of things it *could* do, but *can't* because it's closed |
| 13:56.43 | GAN900 | It's CAPABLE of doing nearly anything |
| 13:56.51 | tybollt | ja, gan++ |
| 13:56.52 | GAN900 | It's just a function of effort invested. |
| 13:56.56 | luke-jr | like that 'differentiate between "Missed call" and "picked up on another line"' I just mentioned |
| 13:56.58 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.org/packages/view/per-contact-ringtones/ |
| 13:57.27 | luke-jr | GAN900: well, maybe you could rewrite the entire software stack, except for missing specs etc |
| 13:57.31 | tybollt | X-Fade: I tried installing it - was a big and fairly bloated widget... :-/ |
| 13:57.55 | X-Fade | tybollt: Well the source is there ;) |
| 13:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | lugkhast: forget that. Do NOT mechanically modify any USB plugs etc. It works ok, just needs ~500...1000 rounds to settle |
| 13:58.09 | luke-jr | X-Fade: only bits and pieces |
| 13:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: thanks |
| 13:58.33 | X-Fade | Anyway, a 20K package big an bloated? :) |
| 13:58.47 | tybollt | X-Fade: I'm sure I'd spend time hacking on an app _I_ don't want ;) |
| 13:58.48 | luke-jr | X-Fade: not by Maemo standards |
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| 13:59.56 | lugkhast | DocScrutinizer: Thanks! |
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| 14:01.37 | salman_ | are all the 'communications' between the contact application and the different subsystem documented in the form of api/dbus calls? |
| 14:01.42 | mw22 | how do I install unzip on the n900? |
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| 14:02.05 | timeless_mbp | apt-get install unzip ? |
| 14:02.16 | tybollt | mw22: xterm ; sudo gainroot ; apt-get install <yourapp> |
| 14:03.47 | alterego | Why don't we have: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide |
| 14:04.02 | alterego | :( |
| 14:04.04 | Stskeeps | second guy who asks.. |
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| 14:04.13 | alterego | Stskeeps: ? |
| 14:04.47 | timeless_mbp | alterego: why haven't you ported it? :) |
| 14:04.53 | mw22 | tybollt, thanks, it seems to work now (it didn't seem to work the first time) |
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| 14:05.01 | alterego | It's designed by TI for the OMAP35 :) |
| 14:05.07 | alterego | Porting it shouldn't be required :P |
| 14:05.31 | alterego | I'll give it a go :) |
| 14:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | salman_: osso-abook doesn't have a d-bus api :-S |
| 14:06.28 | tybollt | any nitdroid users around here`? |
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| 14:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | salman_: libosso-abook |
| 14:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot is for losers |
| 14:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's called root |
| 14:08.48 | salman_ | docscrutinizer, so, if 'someone' designed a replacement address book application, with all the nice features like extra fields, groups, ring tune /contact/group, better search ...etc , how difficult it is to 'integrate' it with the rest of the system? |
| 14:08.50 | luke-jr | I just installed sshd and configured sudo from there |
| 14:08.52 | luke-jr | :p |
| 14:09.06 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Does this look better for you? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.1/ |
| 14:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | salman_: depends |
| 14:09.33 | salman_ | docscrutinizer, ? |
| 14:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you can augment the berkley database table format, and libosso-abook would happily ignore the extra fields |
| 14:10.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it will probably fail miserably |
| 14:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | otoh to make the contacts UI app aware of extra fields means you have to rewrite it, as it's closed source |
| 14:11.10 | MohammadAG | did zoutube get dumped? |
| 14:11.21 | salman_ | docscrutinizer, I was talking about integrating a 'new' replacement address book application with the rest of N900 system, it could even use its own db, maybe sqllite |
| 14:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I tought about abusing the 'comment' field for "X-My-Tag-ringtone: doodlidoo.wav" |
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| 14:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | salman_: there's a friggin lot of apps relying on original libosso-abook. You'd have to replace that with a API/ABI-compatible version using your new database |
| 14:13.11 | MohammadAG | yay line breaks fixed in the package instance pages |
| 14:13.12 | MohammadAG | ty X-Fade |
| 14:13.23 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 14:13.40 | Venemo | have you voted in the first N900 coding competition yet? |
| 14:14.08 | alterego | Hrm, I can build it, but it requires the TI graphics SDK |
| 14:14.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yes, but <foo> still not escaped to <foo> |
| 14:14.17 | alterego | So I can't put it into extras .. |
| 14:14.27 | alterego | Unless I distribute it as a binary I guess. |
| 14:14.44 | tripzero | Venemo, coding competition? |
| 14:15.01 | luke-jr | Venemo: I looked, but didn't recognize almost any of the apps listd |
| 14:15.01 | Venemo | tripzero: yes. |
| 14:15.16 | Venemo | luke-jr: well, in this case, I can help |
| 14:15.35 | Venemo | luke-jr: Sticky Notes desperately needs your vote! |
| 14:15.43 | luke-jr | haha |
| 14:15.51 | luke-jr | what's wrong with the offical note app? |
| 14:15.56 | Venemo | tripzero: here are the details: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112 |
| 14:16.08 | Venemo | luke-jr: the official note app is not a desktop widget |
| 14:16.12 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Hmm need to look at that part too. |
| 14:16.30 | luke-jr | Venemo: I see. Doesn't seem to matter to me |
| 14:16.40 | salman_ | docscrutinizer, and those API/ABI are not documented/available? |
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| 14:16.48 | Venemo | luke-jr: Sticky Notes allows you to create multiple notes widgets on your desktop |
| 14:17.02 | luke-jr | in fact, I find that like my normal PC, I ignore the desktop entirely |
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| 14:18.14 | Venemo | luke-jr: if this is the case, then you don't really care what you vote on, don't you? |
| 14:18.33 | luke-jr | Venemo: I care about poll integrity, sorry ⺠|
| 14:18.44 | Venemo | luke-jr: Sticky Notes will be grateful even if you don't use the desktop :P |
| 14:19.29 | Venemo | luke-jr: well, it seems that the authors of the other apps don't care about poll integrity as much as you |
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| 14:21.36 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why? |
| 14:22.01 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 14:34.45 | MohammadAG51 | i hate how the N900 uses a software switch for the headset |
| 14:35.10 | MiXu- | How does the end user see that? |
| 14:35.26 | Venemo | MohammadAG51: laptops use software switches, too |
| 14:35.44 | MohammadAG51 | mine uses a hardware switch |
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| 14:36.11 | MohammadAG51 | MiXu-, my headset is kinda borked, the N900 detects it was plugged but doesn't route audio |
| 14:36.28 | MohammadAG51 | [ 7233.611694] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected |
| 14:36.30 | tybollt | MohammadAG51: the gods want you to use BT A2DP |
| 14:36.33 | kerio | MohammadAG51: it's awesome instead |
| 14:36.44 | kerio | you have two audio outputs |
| 14:36.56 | tybollt | btw you auiophiles out there.. is cabled audio better than A2DP? |
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| 14:37.08 | MohammadAG51 | tybollt, Nokia says the headsets are too expensive to buy, so they don't have them here in Jordan |
| 14:37.12 | MohammadAG51 | retarded, I know |
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| 14:37.28 | MiXu- | MohammadAG51: I see |
| 14:37.50 | tripzero | tybollt, i think a2dp is just fine |
| 14:37.55 | tybollt | MohammadAG51: I bought this silly usb dongle for missus and then she connects the headphones to the dongle... |
| 14:37.55 | kerio | tybollt: i'd say it depends on the quality of the headset? |
| 14:38.05 | jacekowski | tybollt: depends on DAC in headset |
| 14:38.06 | tripzero | however, it's hard to find a headset that doesn't have noise issues with bt |
| 14:38.28 | jacekowski | tybollt: but most of them have cheap dac and badly designed circuit |
| 14:38.32 | tybollt | kerio / jacek: Say top notch A2DP gear... ? |
| 14:38.56 | tybollt | What I'm getting is is the compression of the audio lossfull to an extent where human ear can tell? |
| 14:39.11 | jacekowski | ok, a2dp allowas quality that's same as directly from phone |
| 14:39.12 | kerio | it depends on the relative quality of the d2a converters, i guess |
| 14:39.27 | jacekowski | but even top notch ones are poorly designed |
| 14:39.42 | kerio | until they find a way to turn the digital audio in electric pulses ready for interpretation in the brain |
| 14:40.10 | MohammadAG51 | replace the human brain with something more... useful |
| 14:40.15 | tybollt | kerio: ;P |
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| 14:43.35 | tybollt | MohammadAG51: this the one you want |
| 14:43.36 | tybollt | http://www.jabra.com/sites/jabra/na-us/headsets/pages/jabrabt3030.aspx |
| 14:43.57 | tybollt | MohammadAG51: skip the hoodie or mossad will get interested ;) |
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| 14:49.50 | alterego | So, I have live images streaming from the N900 camera to an OpengL primitive now :) |
| 14:50.07 | alterego | Just need to do the colour space conversion .. |
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| 14:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: trying to integrate per contact settings of all kinds into existing framework |
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| 14:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | of *ALL* kinds - like ringtone, reject-call-between-5:00-and-07:00, use-sip-for-dialing, whatnot |
| 14:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | goups |
| 14:59.25 | jacekowski | create additional DB |
| 14:59.27 | jacekowski | and link them |
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| 14:59.38 | jacekowski | that's what RDBMS is for |
| 15:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense, RDBMS is about additional TABLES in ONE database |
| 15:00.39 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:00.47 | jacekowski | not only in one database |
| 15:00.59 | jacekowski | other databases can reference to data in other databases |
| 15:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | depends on the particular DBMS |
| 15:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | obviously for berkley that's no inherent property of the DBMS |
| 15:02.06 | jacekowski | yep |
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| 15:02.15 | jacekowski | are you sure it's BDB? |
| 15:02.23 | jacekowski | i was thinking it was using sqlite |
| 15:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | you had to simulate by external process linking separate db |
| 15:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | people that *should* know say t's berkley |
| 15:03.33 | jacekowski | well |
| 15:03.37 | jacekowski | call log |
| 15:03.39 | jacekowski | is in sqlite |
| 15:03.45 | jacekowski | i'm not sure about contacts |
| 15:03.52 | jacekowski | i never touched that part |
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| 15:04.08 | jacekowski | but i would expect it to be the same |
| 15:04.22 | jacekowski | but we saw lot of bad coding already |
| 15:04.42 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: btw. have you seen that part about uart boot on n900 |
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| 15:04.52 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that it only boots from uart3 |
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| 15:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: MUCH better :-D |
| 15:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope, no idea what u r talking about |
| 15:06.11 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: html escaping should be in place now too. |
| 15:06.48 | jacekowski | that if omap would be configured to boot from uart3 |
| 15:06.51 | jacekowski | uart* |
| 15:06.56 | jacekowski | it would only boot from uart3 |
| 15:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: think you can close bug #10987 |
| 15:09.07 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10987 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel * <foo> rendering issue |
| 15:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, that's what I mentioned above. So probably one of the testpads when pulled to GND will switch the config to enable that |
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| 15:13.59 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ping? |
| 15:16.23 | abax | hi. i have problems with maemo opengles 2.0. i'm rendering a quad at the top right corner of the screen, like this: http://kirah.fi/~apaksi/p/gles/2010-07-26-175507.jpg it looks like that if i use the vertex attribute number 0 |
| 15:16.38 | abax | however, if i switch to vertex attribute number 3, it starts looking like this: http://kirah.fi/~apaksi/p/gles/2010-07-26-175820.jpg |
| 15:17.01 | abax | if i use attribute number 1, it looks like this: http://kirah.fi/~apaksi/p/gles/2010-07-26-180312.jpg so only the y coordinate is working and the x coordinate is not |
| 15:17.16 | abax | would you have any idea why it's doing that? |
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| 15:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-26 14:32:06] <visz> File: .osso-abook/db |
| 15:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-26 14:32:07] <visz> Format: berkley database |
| 15:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-26 14:32:07] <visz> Contents: address book vcard data. |
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| 15:38.03 | ian_r | PolarFox: "Where is my LCARS theme for N900? Why I has none?" ... i suspect this is the closest you'll get on the n900, at least for now. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58667 |
| 15:38.14 | ian_r | there's a sounds package also :D |
| 15:38.35 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: thing is that all pins that configure boot sequence are gpio pins as well |
| 15:38.38 | Stskeeps | ian_r: saw the various docs on meego theming yet btw? looks quite flexible |
| 15:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so what? |
| 15:39.21 | jacekowski | you can easily test which pad is it |
| 15:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: aiui they are latched on chip-reset |
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| 15:39.38 | ian_r | stskeeps: haven't really checked it out yet. |
| 15:39.51 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: only on power-on-reset |
| 15:39.57 | jacekowski | and you can modify them afterwards |
| 15:40.02 | jacekowski | in one of control registers |
| 15:40.07 | jacekowski | and restart chi |
| 15:40.09 | jacekowski | chip* |
| 15:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: OMAP 35x Tech Ref manual D: chapter 11.x.x.x.x |
| 15:41.50 | jacekowski | memory subsystem? |
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| 15:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | 11.1.5.13 boot config, 11.1.3.3.2 GPMC CS0 Default Configuration at IC Reset. |
| 15:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | and +- a "few dozen" for context |
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| 15:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | To ensure a correct external boot with a GPMC access from IC reset time on CS0, several external pins are sampled: |
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| 15:46.08 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: 25.2.3 |
| 15:46.15 | jacekowski | Boot Configuration |
| 15:46.32 | jacekowski | These seven pins are sampled and latched onto the CONTROL.CONTROL_STATUS register after POR. |
| 15:46.51 | jacekowski | POR - power on reset |
| 15:48.00 | jacekowski | so control_status can be modified and then phone can be restarted via software |
| 15:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, just came back with same in my copybuffer :-P |
| 15:49.08 | DocScrutinizer | shall I paste as well ? :-D |
| 15:50.04 | jacekowski | yeah, don't be shy |
| 15:51.17 | jacekowski | it's useless for flashing dead device |
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| 15:52.27 | harnir | hello |
| 15:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see the modifying bootconfig method by using the GPIO properties though |
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| 15:53.27 | jacekowski | but if you can toggle level on that pin on demand |
| 15:53.36 | jacekowski | then you can easily find which pads are these pins connected to |
| 15:53.58 | harnir | avahi on my n900 sort-of works, I can ping it from my pc, see the chat service, but I can't ping computers in .local domain from n900, any idea where's the problem? |
| 15:55.05 | jacekowski | hmm, do you think that "I still have not received any e-mail from you, if you have any problems sending it to blah@blah.org you can try jacek.blah@xxx.xxx as well." |
| 15:55.08 | jacekowski | is rude? |
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| 15:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah, that's brilliant. And so obvious I conclude my caffeine level is dangerously low :-) |
| 15:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | 5523? |
| 15:56.33 | jacekowski | 42 |
| 15:56.35 | jacekowski | 5523? |
| 15:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | LP5523 ds |
| 15:56.57 | jacekowski | they are ignornig me |
| 15:57.04 | jacekowski | ignoring* |
| 15:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I ask if your Q was regarding that topic |
| 15:58.03 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:58.09 | jacekowski | something else |
| 15:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | so I don't know if it's conceived as rude |
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| 16:02.06 | luke-jr | figured out altitude! |
| 16:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | wohooo |
| 16:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | I had altitude of -900 once :-P |
| 16:02.41 | luke-jr | can now decode all GPS data⦠|
| 16:02.47 | luke-jr | eh, haven't tested negative altitudes :P |
| 16:03.02 | DangerMaus | hehe |
| 16:03.07 | luke-jr | releases GPL'd GPS decoder that only supports Tonal units⦠|
| 16:03.09 | luke-jr | runs |
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| 16:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack luke-jr |
| 16:03.26 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing luke-jr |
| 16:04.06 | luke-jr | seriously though, this altitude encoding is "WTF" |
| 16:04.18 | luke-jr | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering#Packet_Analysis |
| 16:04.26 | luke-jr | tell me, do you understand it even WITH my documentation? :p |
| 16:05.09 | DangerMaus | anyone else having glitchy network access with the current version? like i have to tell it to get on the provider alot ?alot |
| 16:06.14 | luke-jr | DangerMaus: yeah, but my provider doesn't support my region⦠|
| 16:06.20 | luke-jr | I kinda assumed that was it |
| 16:06.22 | DangerMaus | lol |
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| 16:07.46 | DangerMaus | luke-jr it snags wifi great but then dont switch back too well |
| 16:08.39 | luke-jr | now the only things my GPS decoder is missing: "what data is valid" and sats |
| 16:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: your notes on altitude seem rather clear though WTF. What's complete gibberish though, is the >> latitude / 360 * 256*256*256(*256?)<< |
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| 16:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: and AGPS data upload, of course (my GPS decoder is missing) |
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| 16:17.22 | flux | is somebody planning to write a better location-daemon? |
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| 16:19.52 | tripzero | flux, for maemo? |
| 16:20.20 | tripzero | cuz there are already several location-daemons that exist (ie gpsd, gypsy) |
| 16:20.47 | tripzero | just don't work on the n900 cuz of the gps hardware |
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| 16:21.08 | flux | tripzero, I was just wondering the effort on reverse-engineering the protocol location-daemon reads |
| 16:21.23 | tripzero | ahh |
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| 16:21.41 | tripzero | don't know. |
| 16:21.55 | tripzero | agps will be the tricky part /me thinks |
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| 16:34.23 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: basically, I'm not certain if the last octet of latitude/longitude is further resolution or something else |
| 16:34.31 | luke-jr | I have no way to even remotely verify that |
| 16:35.07 | luke-jr | flux: location-daemon is proprietary; I am porting Gentoo |
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| 16:36.16 | DrGrov | Good evening guys |
| 16:36.29 | flux | luke-jr, oh.. ok. good luck :). |
| 16:36.32 | DrGrov | I have managed to secure the phone I will use as 2nd phone to the N900. |
| 16:36.50 | DrGrov | I got the Nokia E52.... I am thrilled, it is my first Nokia E-series phone ;-) |
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| 16:37.19 | DrGrov | The reason I tell is that I would like to know how to copy the N900 contacts to the SIM card? |
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| 16:37.28 | DrGrov | I have tried but it just does not seem to do it at all. |
| 16:37.38 | DrGrov | Just copy the other way, from phone to SIM card. |
| 16:39.46 | DrGrov | Can it be done, copying the Contacts to the SIM card or is it impossible?? |
| 16:42.19 | DrGrov | Ah, it does not seem to work. |
| 16:42.37 | DrGrov | Should I use Bluetooth on the E52 then and copy via Bluetooth or how should I copy the contacts?? |
| 16:42.41 | DrGrov | All help is appreciated |
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| 16:46.36 | DrGrov | How does it work to import contacts via Bluetooth? Is it hard to do? |
| 16:48.12 | BugBlue | from another nokia? |
| 16:48.32 | BugBlue | ohw to.. |
| 16:48.37 | BugBlue | you can try the import at the E52 |
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| 16:49.30 | DrGrov | BugBlue: that sounds like the easiest way. to import at the E52 instead. |
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| 16:49.42 | DrGrov | I hope that will become the easiest way. I really hate to lose any of my contacts. |
| 16:50.26 | DrGrov | Now I just do not know how to get the damn battery out and put back in. |
| 16:50.28 | DrGrov | Damn this! |
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| 16:58.52 | DrGrov | BugBlue: If I use Bluetooth to import the contacts at the E52 I can choose which contacts I want to import? |
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| 17:08.10 | jacekowski | tripzero: you don't have to worry about agps |
| 17:08.29 | jacekowski | tripzero: it's done by modem itself |
| 17:08.36 | jacekowski | tripzero: independent from operating system |
| 17:09.04 | SpeedEvil | That can't be true. |
| 17:09.05 | tripzero | jacekowski, so it's only control-plane agps? |
| 17:09.15 | SpeedEvil | As the modem has no access to the internet. |
| 17:09.24 | jacekowski | modem has access to the interne |
| 17:09.26 | tripzero | SpeedEvil, +1 |
| 17:09.32 | jacekowski | i saw the code in the modem |
| 17:09.33 | luke-jr | jacekowski: does it? modem can use wifi? |
| 17:09.47 | SpeedEvil | Or usbnet? |
| 17:09.54 | jacekowski | i don't know |
| 17:10.07 | jacekowski | but i saw the code for agps in modem firmware |
| 17:10.13 | luke-jr | jacekowski: fact is, my GPS code takes significantly longer if I don't have the location-daemon run first |
| 17:10.20 | luke-jr | even if I reboot after running location-daemon |
| 17:10.37 | luke-jr | modem probably saves the AGPS data across the reboot |
| 17:10.44 | luke-jr | but it *does* need the host at some point |
| 17:11.03 | slonopotamus | luke-jr is on duty today. |
| 17:11.22 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: I got altitude figured out |
| 17:11.28 | jacekowski | well, explain to me why i saw code for pulling data from nokia and couple other servers |
| 17:11.30 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: grats |
| 17:11.55 | luke-jr | jacekowski: maybe it does that over a private "owner has no data service, but there's this OOB data line anyway" in some circumstances? |
| 17:13.38 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps updated |
| 17:13.43 | luke-jr | along with the .c |
| 17:14.37 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: if you used autotools there, i hate you. |
| 17:14.56 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: ? |
| 17:15.03 | luke-jr | I used gcc gps.c -o gps -O2 |
| 17:15.04 | jacekowski | luke-jr: well it has carrier specific addresses as well |
| 17:15.27 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: also, what else? |
| 17:15.31 | jacekowski | but it doesn't look like it |
| 17:15.36 | jacekowski | i mean it's complete agps code |
| 17:15.36 | luke-jr | autotools works ok |
| 17:15.49 | jacekowski | including pulling data from server + parsing it |
| 17:15.54 | luke-jr | jacekowski: do you actually have source? O.o |
| 17:16.19 | jacekowski | no |
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| 17:17.58 | jacekowski | but unless there is something in one of the libs |
| 17:18.10 | jacekowski | there is nothing agps related in location-daemon |
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| 17:34.54 | alterego | Is "mdk" a maemo user? |
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| 17:35.04 | alterego | I don't know if that's his alias here though |
| 17:35.21 | Robot101 | alterego: maemo developer - he used to work at Nokia and is a subcontractor now I think |
| 17:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | lo Robot101 |
| 17:35.36 | Robot101 | UI toolkit & graphics stuff |
| 17:35.41 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: ahoy |
| 17:35.47 | tripzero | jacekowski, it could be the "ofono" equal that gets the "a" data from the servers and than pushes it through the location-daemon to the gps device |
| 17:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | just looking into ringtone-per-caller |
| 17:35.52 | alterego | Robot101: I guess that figures :) |
| 17:36.41 | BugBlue | DrGrov: no.. you can just import everything I guess |
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| 17:37.03 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: barisione is at GUADEC this week with all of the GStreamer and Pulseaudio hackers in Collabora Multimedia :D |
| 17:37.08 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: he should be able to make it faster |
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| 17:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: wondering if the whole framework could use a few patches to make it more... universal? |
| 17:37.35 | DrGrov | BugBlue: Ok, I managed to get the information that the SIM card actually has the same information with phone numbers as the internal contacts. So it is all good. |
| 17:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: like inheriting ringtone settings for contact by a reference to a group |
| 17:38.58 | DrGrov | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 17:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | hi |
| 17:39.17 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I have to tell you that I got another similar adapter as the N900 now when I bought the E52 |
| 17:39.20 | DrGrov | So I have 2 adapters |
| 17:39.27 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: there's no group UI for the abook - it could be kludged in (jesus the guys have been coming up with some mad stuff - libsharing plugin which monkey-patches Gtk to add a button that bypasses the libsharing API because it's bonghits) |
| 17:39.37 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: but that's the first problem :D |
| 17:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: or even generic "execute that program, with parameters <number> <contact-handle>..." |
| 17:41.03 | DrGrov | Damn I must be an idiot |
| 17:41.12 | DrGrov | I do not understand how to remove the battery on the E52 |
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| 17:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: (faster) there were complaints? |
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| 17:42.53 | DrGrov | God damn idiot E52 |
| 17:42.53 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, read the comments on his blog posts. lots of whining. it's too slow to set up the GStreamer pipeline and DSP decoders when the call comes through |
| 17:43.06 | DrGrov | It really can not be this damn difficult to remove a freaking battery |
| 17:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: just installed the app 10min ago, and added my first custom ringtone. No further tests so far |
| 17:43.21 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: so the plan was to pre-convert them all to the same format like the built in ringtoned does, and pre-set up the GStreamer pipeline |
| 17:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'm unaware of the blog |
| 17:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: we had same problem on Openmoko |
| 17:44.21 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: http://blog.barisione.org/ |
| 17:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | thnx |
| 17:44.35 | Robot101 | he even blogged to explain why it wasn't in the production images |
| 17:44.37 | Robot101 | got flamed |
| 17:44.41 | Robot101 | then blogged with the software |
| 17:44.50 | Robot101 | linking to the previous |
| 17:45.00 | Robot101 | and got flamed again saying it was slow and he sucked etc |
| 17:45.05 | Robot101 | makes me wonder why we bother sometimes |
| 17:45.16 | Stskeeps | it's sometimes easier to be behind the wall |
| 17:45.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, 1) "it TRIES to integrate nicely" is about right :-P. Fsckng contacts app of course doesn't know how to show the custon ringtone property of a contact. Suggestion: superimpose some marker to avatar |
| 17:48.55 | alterego | Robot101: I guess that figures :) |
| 17:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: 2) how about making default ringtone in .locals/sounds/ a pipe and fill it with a process that just switches (or even generates) data on the fly? |
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| 17:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | this way you'd be rid of setting up any gstreamer at all |
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| 17:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | (credits to dotblank[?] for the original idea) |
| 17:51.47 | GAN900 | Robot101, price of open. |
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| 17:55.25 | DrGrov | God damn battery |
| 17:55.26 | HtheB__ | =( |
| 17:55.34 | HtheB__ | damn usb port |
| 17:55.34 | DrGrov | This will take the whole freaking day to remove |
| 17:58.05 | DrGrov | Any one got any suggestions on how to remove the battery on the E52? |
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| 18:00.16 | marcus | So... how do I take pictures with fcamera? :D |
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| 18:01.45 | marcus | nvm :D |
| 18:02.32 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: you know how to remove such a PITA battery? |
| 18:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: on a different consideration (while reading the blog): of course it's not possible to keep 500 rintones on NAND aka rootfs in .local/sounds/*.wav, to have then ready for playback quickly. but you might keep the first maybe 2s of all ringtones there, maybe even in reduced quality. Then playback that header sniplet while collecting the large chunks off slow eMMC / whatever. If you run out of decent data due to lagginess of mem |
| 18:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | access, fall back to default ringtone. All ntegrates nicely with the fifo/pipe idea |
| 18:03.41 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: dropping device from 120cm to wooden floor always helped for me :-P |
| 18:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: more seriously, I have no idea bout Exx phones |
| 18:04.04 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah yes, it helps :) |
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| 18:05.11 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5596508/laser-light-show-vs-dslr-sensor |
| 18:05.19 | RST38h | Ehhhh |
| 18:05.41 | DrGrov | I am getting increasingly annoyed about this freaking damn phone |
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| 18:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: lol :-( |
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| 18:23.07 | RST38h | The US government on Monday announced new rules making it officially legal for iPhone owners to 'jailbreak' their device and run unauthorized third-party applications, as well as the ability to unlock any cell phone for use on multiple carriers. |
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| 18:23.28 | RST38h | Am I correct to assume that AT&T's exclusive agreement with Apple has just ended? =) |
| 18:24.03 | DrGrov | Can anyone help me with the battery issue? |
| 18:24.09 | DrGrov | I am completely freaking lost |
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| 18:27.36 | GAN900 | DrGrov, tap it on your palm? |
| 18:28.00 | DrGrov | GAN900: I have tried several times, it seems to be a problem to get it out. Seems too tight or something. |
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| 18:31.49 | DrGrov | HAHAHAHA! |
| 18:32.05 | DrGrov | It is fixed, god damn fucking piece of major fucking engineering by Nokia! |
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| 18:33.22 | logix2 | fucking flashing broke my n900 |
| 18:33.26 | logix2 | got black screen now |
| 18:33.34 | logix2 | had to send it back to the goddamn service |
| 18:33.41 | alterego | What's with all the f*cking swearing? |
| 18:33.53 | luke-jr | RST38h: why wouldn't it be legal? |
| 18:34.20 | DrGrov | If this fucking device makes me any more angry I will destory it with the closest thing I have |
| 18:34.35 | luke-jr | â¦â¦ |
| 18:34.39 | microlith | do it |
| 18:34.39 | microlith | please |
| 18:34.41 | luke-jr | could just mail it to someone else |
| 18:34.56 | logix2 | lol i had some memory card problem with it first and it kept restarting |
| 18:35.03 | logix2 | i was thinking on destroying it too |
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| 18:35.13 | logix2 | throwing it out from my 5story flat |
| 18:35.15 | RST38h | luke-jr: Because a bunch of narrow minded fat gentlemen at the US Congress say so |
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| 18:35.26 | luke-jr | RST38h: when? |
| 18:35.40 | RST38h | luke-jr: IANAL. Google. |
| 18:35.52 | luke-jr | I thought that was all just "you'll piss off the carrier" |
| 18:36.04 | RST38h | No, unfortunately. |
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| 18:36.09 | RST38h | See "DMCA". |
| 18:36.19 | DrGrov | microlith: you want me to destroy it? |
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| 18:37.52 | luke-jr | RST38h: DMCA is about copyright, totally different issue |
| 18:38.26 | logix2 | copytight what we dont care about |
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| 18:38.35 | logix2 | us lead by a stupid nigger now thats a fail |
| 18:39.00 | DrGrov | Now the question is this SIM card holder... |
| 18:39.07 | DrGrov | How on earth do I get that one opened? |
| 18:39.23 | luke-jr | wtf is location error 4 and why won't my GPS work? :/ |
| 18:39.25 | RST38h | shrugs: some people just can't see deeper than skin color |
| 18:39.39 | luke-jr | DrGrov: slide it |
| 18:39.45 | RST38h | DrGrov: Shift it with your finger |
| 18:39.48 | RST38h | It will then open. |
| 18:39.50 | DrGrov | luke-jr: ok. |
| 18:39.52 | DrGrov | I will try |
| 18:39.59 | RST38h | If it falls apart, do not go bonkers, reattach carefully |
| 18:40.01 | DrGrov | Sorry guys, I am completely fucking lost today |
| 18:40.03 | luke-jr | be careful, it comes off easily :P |
| 18:40.40 | DrGrov | No, does not work |
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| 18:42.42 | luke-jr | ok, location error 4 = cannot run location-daemon |
| 18:42.43 | luke-jr | ⺠|
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| 18:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? a cloud? |
| 18:44.28 | tripzero | rain is coming |
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| 18:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: I'd have some comments to almost every of the posts on barisione's blog. But it seems incredibly cumbersome and inappropriate to paste lines of sourcecode etc as a comment to that blog. Is there a better way to discuss technical details with barisione? |
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| 18:46.48 | frals | hes in here atm, who knows if he actually reads anything thou! |
| 18:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: ooh HI! :-) |
| 18:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | frals: probably not, he's at GUADEC |
| 18:47.51 | frals | ^^ |
| 18:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
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| 18:51.45 | luke-jr | cloud |
| 18:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | I freakin wonder where from you get all those nice UTF-8 |
| 18:52.42 | Stskeeps | luke-jr's bored |
| 18:52.49 | luke-jr | o |
| 18:52.52 | luke-jr | that was a smiley ⺠|
| 18:52.57 | luke-jr | â» |
| 18:53.08 | luke-jr | I setup my client to do substitutions :P |
| 18:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | though this irc client knows to display them, I found no way to select any fancy stuff to insert |
| 18:53.23 | luke-jr | â©âªâ«â¬ |
| 18:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | notes are fine, smiley was not |
| 18:53.50 | luke-jr | â
â â â â â â
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| 18:53.56 | luke-jr | â â â |
| 18:54.06 | luke-jr | â |
| 18:54.21 | luke-jr | ponders which others he has |
| 18:54.50 | luke-jr | ⧠Ⱡ⩠â â |
| 18:55.02 | microlith | â |
| 18:55.12 | wolf^ | nothing beats utf swastika :P |
| 18:55.25 | luke-jr | wolf^: don't get the poor folk in Germany in trouble |
| 18:55.38 | luke-jr | they're not allowed to have those on their screen |
| 18:55.43 | luke-jr | microlith: what was that? I saw nothing |
| 18:55.59 | microlith | hmm, might be a subset of the JP input mode |
| 18:56.05 | microlith | I see only boxes for many of yours |
| 18:56.11 | inz | â»ââ |
| 18:56.27 | luke-jr | I don't even see boxes for yours |
| 18:56.32 | luke-jr | maybe your client isn't configured? |
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| 18:56.56 | microlith | nah, using mIRC 7 beta, which is fully UTF8 |
| 18:57.02 | SpeedEvil | â |
| 18:57.03 | luke-jr | wouldn't trust mIRC anything |
| 18:57.15 | microlith | I see most of the others |
| 18:57.20 | luke-jr | ok |
| 18:57.44 | luke-jr | 012345678î§9î§î§î§î§î§ |
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| 19:02.57 | ham5 | FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdd) |
| 19:02.57 | ham5 | fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF |
| 19:02.58 | ham5 | File system has been set read-only |
| 19:03.03 | ham5 | whats the deal? |
| 19:03.27 | ham5 | I have to write to it real fast when I plug it in it sets read only after like 10 seconds |
| 19:04.09 | luke-jr | that sounds like your FAT filesystem is larger than its partition |
| 19:04.43 | Duckboot | luke-jr: That sounds interesting. |
| 19:04.54 | ham5 | I didnt mess with its partition |
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| 19:12.29 | ham5 | mise well be a windows os... reboot fixed it... up only 3 days too :( |
| 19:13.08 | kerio | is there the BOÌC logo in utf8? |
| 19:16.52 | mrklaw1 | has anyone ever exported their data from pyring? |
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| 19:46.04 | TomaszD | lbt, truck arrived yet? ;) |
| 19:46.26 | lbt | no |
| 19:46.33 | lbt | Denise would have told me |
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| 19:58.14 | ultrasparc-viii | hmmm |
| 19:59.16 | TomaszD | hurm |
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| 20:08.05 | ultrasparc-viii | anyone have a good tutorial for python+Qt for me? |
| 20:08.19 | ultrasparc-viii | ordered a book already but it won't be here for two days |
| 20:11.01 | mortini | there's some off the pyqt wiki |
| 20:11.39 | mortini | http://www.diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Tutorials <- first 2 links |
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| 20:16.26 | ultrasparc-viii | mortini: thanks! |
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| 20:19.45 | mortini | ultrasparc-viii: which book did you order? |
| 20:20.19 | ultrasparc-viii | mortini: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Python-Prentice-Software-Development/dp/0132354187/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0 |
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| 20:20.50 | mortini | how much of a programmer are you? |
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| 20:21.57 | mortini | ultrasparc-viii: plus: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyQt_Tips_and_Tricks |
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| 20:33.59 | ultrasparc-viii | mortini: I do a lot of coding... have some big apps under my belt in py, perl, php |
| 20:34.19 | mortini | ok. |
| 20:34.46 | mortini | well, i found that book a bit annoying/boring, so just poking through the documentation and other online resources is probably a good place to start |
| 20:34.57 | mortini | the Qt documentation at nokia is pretty good, generally |
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| 20:38.45 | ultrasparc-viii | ok, I'll cancel that book.. if I can get by on the documentation then that should be fine. I've never used books too much - always found the docs to be enough |
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| 20:39.56 | mortini | I'm not sure about that, i've used it here and there for some of the more complex things. some stuff is, for lack of brainpower, layered, so you need one base object with various child objects to make it work |
| 20:40.06 | mortini | and sometimes the docs aren't entirely clear on how to make that work |
| 20:40.21 | mortini | but,t hat's about all i've used that book for, heh. |
| 20:40.30 | ultrasparc-viii | ic, hopefully the book is good then because amazon won't let me cancel the shipment ;) |
| 20:40.32 | mortini | i much prefer reading other's source |
| 20:40.35 | mortini | yeah |
| 20:41.06 | ultrasparc-viii | is there a version of QTdesigner available for OSX? |
| 20:41.43 | mortini | i dunno. |
| 20:41.49 | ultrasparc-viii | ever use it? |
| 20:42.00 | mortini | osx or qtdesigner? |
| 20:42.10 | mortini | i have generally used qtdesigner to do my ui's. |
| 20:43.15 | ponyofdeath | anyone know the app that i can use to modify the carrier's name at the top of the home screen? |
| 20:43.16 | ultrasparc-viii | yeah qtdesigner |
| 20:43.41 | ultrasparc-viii | ponyofdeath: there's one on the downloads page |
| 20:44.37 | ultrasparc-viii | mortini: are you using qtD on win or linux? |
| 20:45.01 | mortini | i've used it on both |
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| 20:48.36 | mortini | my laptop used tobe windows & i'd mount a smb share on a linux box with my source there. then i could easily test stuff on both windows & linux |
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| 20:55.49 | ultrasparc-viii | ah cool, they have a LGPL version of qtD for osx :) |
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| 21:18.18 | crashanddie | peb_: please deactivate your script |
| 21:18.33 | crashanddie | peb_: on next iteration, you will be quieted until you deactivate it |
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| 21:20.11 | zash | peb_: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 21:30.17 | ultrasparc-viii | mortini: in qtD when I make a layout and then go to Form->view code it's all in C... is there a way to get the layout in python? Wondering how I'm going to use qtD for making pyQt layouts |
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| 21:31.58 | marcus | Anybody having trouble updating the mana world on n900? |
| 21:33.42 | FireFly | Hm |
| 21:34.23 | FireFly | Is there any way other than rebooting, to get to the enter pin screen if you didn't enter pin code during the actual startup? |
| 21:35.32 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.02 | FireFly | Oh |
| 21:36.07 | FireFly | Didn't think about that :p |
| 21:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | FireFly: power button, switch on telephone mode |
| 21:36.30 | FireFly | Nice |
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| 21:38.55 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 21:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | now is Qt (say a button) implemeted as a *.so, or is it statically linked or compiled in to the ELF? |
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| 21:57.42 | logix2 | does this ovimap suite predownload maps |
| 21:58.13 | logix2 | how the fuck does it come they dont have this for linux when maemo is linux |
| 21:59.26 | MohammadAG51 | cause linux users are hardcore |
| 21:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | hands MohammadAG51 a large icecone (strawberry) for man-db-n900 |
| 21:59.44 | MohammadAG51 | we use a magnetized pin to find north |
| 22:00.26 | MohammadAG51 | hands DocScrutinizer the beer he owes him |
| 22:00.37 | chadi | no maps for lebanon :( |
| 22:01.11 | MohammadAG51 | or israel |
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| 22:02.37 | chadi | i was reading the forums, and noticed that they switched to new maps |
| 22:02.55 | chadi | lebanon was previously available, but when they upgraded, it's not anymore |
| 22:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | snatches ice away from MohammadAG51 |
| 22:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | mandb: Warnung: /opt/man/man1/locate.1.gz ist eine freihängende symbolische Verknüpfung |
| 22:03.07 | chadi | for now, I am using AGTL |
| 22:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | dangling symlink |
| 22:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | plus 100 more |
| 22:03.47 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ignore the shitload of errors |
| 22:03.58 | MohammadAG51 | warnings* |
| 22:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | 100? thousands! |
| 22:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | man locate -> :-) |
| 22:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs and gives ice back to MohammadAG51 |
| 22:06.28 | MohammadAG51 | see? :D |
| 22:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | 2>/dev/null ? |
| 22:07.05 | MohammadAG51 | maybe |
| 22:07.18 | MohammadAG51 | but 0=/dev/zero |
| 22:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | 2>/tmp/delete_me_I_am_nonsense.log |
| 22:08.26 | MohammadAG51 | OMG OMG OMG |
| 22:08.37 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, level pack 2 & 3 in the ovi store |
| 22:08.43 | logix2 | try cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda |
| 22:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | AB? |
| 22:09.04 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 22:09.19 | MohammadAG51 | 2 each |
| 22:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | logix2: try cat /dev/random >/dev/wetware/neocortex |
| 22:10.22 | alterego | |
| 22:11.47 | MohammadAG51 | wow |
| 22:12.04 | MohammadAG51 | so each level pack has 3x21 levels? |
| 22:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | I actually don't get the hype about AB. NumptyPhysix is much more fun |
| 22:14.05 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ever played it? |
| 22:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | stares at blue flashing LED of N900, frowns and mumbles swearwords about stupid new "features" of xchat |
| 22:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I tried some stages of first level. Found it rather boring |
| 22:15.40 | MohammadAG51 | mine blinks green |
| 22:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | probably I'm too different to the standard human being |
| 22:15.48 | ieatlint | anyone here tried to implement the sharing dialogue api in qt? |
| 22:15.52 | MohammadAG51 | three arms? |
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| 22:15.57 | ieatlint | am wondering how stupidly impossible it is |
| 22:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | only 3? |
| 22:16.46 | Ljrn900 | ... |
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| 22:18.19 | SpeedEvil | I've ***'d all stages in the first 3*21 stages. |
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| 22:23.03 | kerio | how do i use the radio chip to scan for a free frequency? |
| 22:27.26 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 22:28.10 | ShadowJK | which one? |
| 22:28.11 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, i'm continuing where i left it a month ago, stuck on 3-5 |
| 22:28.37 | SpeedEvil | kerio: read the page on category:n900 hardware |
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| 22:53.58 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: he's on irc here - or e-mail him, marco.barisione@collabora.co.uk - with patches if you wish :D |
| 22:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: yeah I noticed that. Seems to be afk for this week though? I'll mail him I guess |
| 22:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
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| 22:56.16 | TermanaN900 | good morning |
| 22:56.21 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: yeah he's at guadec this week |
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| 22:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | <UTG>morning TermanaN900 </UTG> |
| 22:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | errr UGT |
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| 22:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: SpeedEvil: how many % of N900 owners are hardcore AB adicts? |
| 22:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | guess |
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| 23:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. how many downloads of level packs will OVI see? |
| 23:00.59 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, 1, the rest will be pirated |
| 23:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | ROTFL |
| 23:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | gasp |
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| 23:03.02 | ShadowJK | has on more than one occasion tried to create an ovi account, but has so far not succeeded |
| 23:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | has tried to understand OVI basic concept and failed miserably |
| 23:03.50 | MohammadAG51 | ovi's better on symbian tbh |
| 23:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | you bet |
| 23:04.10 | MohammadAG51 | i used it to backup calendar contacts and notes |
| 23:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | I hoped to do this with N900... guess everybody is aware of the result by now |
| 23:05.11 | ShadowJK | Well it's relative.. doing anything at all on symbian is difficult, so when the Image gallery knows how to put it on ovi you rejoice at phone no longer holding your files hostage... |
| 23:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, actualy oviu share is the only thing that somewhat works on maemo |
| 23:06.05 | MohammadAG51 | and the ovi store (/me laughs) |
| 23:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | not for me |
| 23:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | maybe becuase I was so stupid to visit it with desktop PC |
| 23:06.48 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 23:07.13 | MohammadAG51 | building a .sis is much harder than building a deb |
| 23:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't find any app to *buy*, even sygic was advertised "FREE" |
| 23:07.44 | ShadowJK | They don't have a working "No I'm not looking for apps for my eeepc, show me stuff for <x> instead"-option |
| 23:08.07 | ShadowJK | or atleast not last time i looked :P |
| 23:08.16 | *** part/#maemo DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 23:08.19 | *** join/#maemo Justus (~nospam@dslb-092-074-225-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:08.21 | Justus | hi |
| 23:08.27 | Justus | is there something like a sygic support channel? |
| 23:08.35 | MohammadAG51 | not that we know of |
| 23:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | was so depressing an experiance last time, I'm not temped to give it a second try anytime soon |
| 23:08.46 | Justus | I have some questions concerning their mobile maps application before I buy it ;) |
| 23:08.52 | Justus | ok, I'll give it a shot here ;) |
| 23:08.58 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh ovo never shows you everything, you get some random subset of what's available, and no "next page" button |
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| 23:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | nice |
| 23:09.24 | ShadowJK | Justus, I think the version in ovi is 7 day trial |
| 23:09.31 | Justus | I allready tried that |
| 23:09.35 | Justus | Is it possible to make the app tell me how far away the next turn is? |
| 23:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | pick today, never know if you'll find it tomorrow XP |
| 23:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | might work :-P |
| 23:09.59 | Justus | It allways told me to "turn left/right now" even when the turn was a few crossings away |
| 23:10.15 | Justus | sometimes the message was repeated and sometimes not, which lead to some interesting results ^^ |
| 23:10.24 | MohammadAG51 | would be lulz if the demo could be purged to be retrialed |
| 23:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it can |
| 23:11.18 | Justus | so am I stupid or is this really the only way it can announce turns? ^^ |
| 23:11.23 | ShadowJK | There's a thing in settings, it shows a row of icons representing various areas of the screen. At first I thought you could pick between 4 different predefined layouts, but it's actually allowing you to customize what's displayed |
| 23:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | except if they hold a central database of IMEI |
| 23:11.28 | MohammadAG51 | set up a job in alarmd to purge and reinstall it every 7 days |
| 23:11.34 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, doubt it |
| 23:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | Justus: sorry, no sygic user here |
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| 23:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | (== me is no...) |
| 23:12.43 | Justus | dang |
| 23:12.49 | Justus | ah well, it was worth a try |
| 23:12.55 | Justus | Sygic support it is then ;) |
| 23:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | maybe try in +12h |
| 23:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | past midnight in Europe |
| 23:13.20 | Justus | no need to tell me |
| 23:13.24 | Justus | <- german ;) |
| 23:13.24 | ShadowJK | Settings - Advanced settings - next next .. and I have Time of arrival, current speed, distance to destination, signal indicator |
| 23:13.37 | Justus | ShadowJK: I know the cool stuff of the sygic app |
| 23:13.51 | Justus | the thing with the "turn now" is the ONLY downside I found |
| 23:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | correct timing of correct guidance speech output is an art |
| 23:14.47 | Justus | well, they're not even trying |
| 23:15.13 | ShadowJK | I think I turned off the antialiasing/smoothing of gps signal in the .ini |
| 23:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | I know what I'm talking about, was part of the crew odds are has built your builtin car navi as well |
| 23:15.24 | ShadowJK | it was hopelessly late for me |
| 23:15.49 | ShadowJK | but also after some time all the voice prompts get delayed by seconds |
| 23:16.00 | ShadowJK | like, desynced with what's going on on the screen |
| 23:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | blame friggin PA |
| 23:16.54 | ShadowJK | yep, and alsa |
| 23:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | if something odd is going on with audio, chances are it's PA's fault |
| 23:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | see, on my laptop I get delays of days (! literally) for audio output |
| 23:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | real fun, you close a window, in the morning, next day in the night it goes "plop" |
| 23:18.49 | ShadowJK | sicko |
| 23:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely |
| 23:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | can't iven think of any story explaining that |
| 23:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | even* |
| 23:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | fact is it's PA related, maybe also phonon |
| 23:20.04 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, PA doesnt like that you rag on it, so it plays up for you! :P |
| 23:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
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| 23:20.20 | ShadowJK | Yeah if I had set my computer to go *plop* at closing window, I'd have hard time coming up with excuses too |
| 23:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'll lock it to the dark cellar for 2 weeks |
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| 23:21.15 | Justus | I just found the most epic part of sygic mobile maps ^^ |
| 23:21.33 | Justus | it has a country overview, with different rules for allowed speed and so on |
| 23:21.40 | Justus | that is pure gold |
| 23:22.04 | ShadowJK | also whether you need winter tyres in the winter |
| 23:22.15 | ShadowJK | and if headlights must be on at all times |
| 23:23.26 | Justus | how I hope that there is a solution to this one issue |
| 23:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | >>All features of the microprocessor are not exploited in the N900.<< |
| 23:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | ewrrm |
| 23:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | is that GB English? |
| 23:24.14 | TermanaN900 | N900 exploitation!? |
| 23:24.25 | Justus | it's a little grammar bug I'd guess |
| 23:24.31 | TermanaN900 | you bad people :P |
| 23:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | for me it sounds like "all the features are unused in N900" |
| 23:24.44 | Justus | Set the "not" in the front of this sentence and you have it |
| 23:24.50 | Justus | no |
| 23:24.55 | Justus | not all features are used |
| 23:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | correct English for me would be "Not all features of the microprocessor are exploited in the N900<< |
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| 23:25.55 | Justus | as I said, put the "not" in front and your good |
| 23:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:30.57 | LjL | DocScrutinizer: to me, "not all" sounds more natural than "all ... not", but the two mean the same thing |
| 23:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | that's a false friend in semantics for Germans then |
| 23:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | not links forward, not backwards |
| 23:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | all x are (not y) |
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| 23:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | in German you might have that meaning on a construct like "[some might]..., BUT all are not" |
| 23:37.30 | Justus | nope |
| 23:37.51 | Justus | "Es werden nicht alle Möglichkeiten des Mikroprozessors genutzt" |
| 23:38.08 | Justus | Not all features of the microprocessor are used" |
| 23:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | aber alle werden (trotzdem) nicht genutzt |
| 23:38.28 | Justus | there's no "but" in the original sentence |
| 23:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:38.49 | Justus | yup, so no need for a but on the german sentence ^^ |
| 23:38.51 | ham5 | boogabooga |
| 23:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I say false friend |
| 23:39.43 | Justus | huh? I still can't see the problem, there is a direct translation without any boobytraps |
| 23:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | Justus: I was just explaining there - very rarely - actually are cases where we got same upside down meaning in german. But usually translating that sentence from english will make you think the opposite of what it seems to mean in English. Due to german 'false friend' semantics |
| 23:41.32 | Justus | you mean "all but" combinations e.g.? |
| 23:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind, it's fixed in wiki since an hour |
| 23:42.34 | Justus | uhm, ok, allthough you left me more confused than I was before ^^ |
| 23:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that's a local dialect of Scotland ;-) |
| 23:45.50 | DocScrutinizer | huh SpeedEvil ? XD |
| 23:47.10 | mc_teo | can some one have a look at this process list |
| 23:47.13 | mc_teo | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242034 |
| 23:47.25 | SpeedEvil | sorry - where |
| 23:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | to do what? |
| 23:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 23:47.41 | mc_teo | my n900 is laggy, so is there any memory whore among this list |
| 23:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_CPU |
| 23:48.20 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - it is ambigous. |
| 23:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:48.36 | SpeedEvil | I think I meant 'Some features' |
| 23:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | some of the features are not exploited |
| 23:49.03 | mc_teo | like surely there shouldnt be like 10 skyhost processes running? |
| 23:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | skyhost? WTF |
| 23:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | killall -9 skyhost |
| 23:49.47 | mc_teo | thats what i thought |
| 23:49.55 | mc_teo | are you sure? |
| 23:50.01 | mc_teo | whats it for? |
| 23:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of |
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| 23:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: for your reference: http://paste.debian.net/81480/ |
| 23:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is sapwood-server?? |
| 23:54.01 | ham5 | lmfgtfy |
| 23:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | yesyesyes |
| 23:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | *yawn* |
| 23:54.44 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: it wont die |
| 23:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | rather kill it and see what's going to stall |
| 23:55.00 | mc_teo | just says it cant be killed |
| 23:55.11 | ham5 | Sapwood is a pixbuf-based 'theme' that allows you to configure the look of. GTK-using programs. . |
| 23:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | burrrp |
| 23:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 23:55.29 | mc_teo | and then the pids are changed |
| 23:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | you got a friggin sky virus |
| 23:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | I know skyhook wireless - they do the location shit for apple |
| 23:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | but skyhost, no idea |
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| 23:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | joghurt sport? maemohotspot? |
| 23:59.02 | logix2 | beat the fucking chess on n900 |
| 23:59.07 | logix2 | i cant do it on easy either |
| 23:59.52 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: googles first result was a talk.maemo page |
