| 00:00.05 | luke-jr | I wait patiently for fab-on-demand |
| 00:01.06 | luke-jr | Fab@Home seems unrealistic IMO |
| 00:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking about very special hybrid fabbers. you can do a lot of interesting things, by combining several technologies here |
| 00:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | but now... BEEEEEEER |
| 00:02.40 | luke-jr | fabbing beer? |
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| 00:03.44 | luke-jr | "Buying all of the parts for a Model 1 currently costs about $2400. The Model Two is expected to cost approximately $1,300." |
| 00:03.47 | luke-jr | out of my budget :( |
| 00:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | the fabber I think about will cost $$$$$$$, for a first prototype |
| 00:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | and still can do no beer :-D |
| 00:05.39 | luke-jr | it says any liquid... :/ |
| 00:05.50 | luke-jr | though I wonder how |
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| 00:09.41 | luke-jr | ponders if the Fab@Home can build all the parts for a Fab@Home :p |
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| 00:26.40 | Macer | haha |
| 00:27.07 | luke-jr | this thing looks too inaccurate to make anything electronic :/ |
| 00:27.16 | luke-jr | http://fabathomebeta.mae.cornell.edu/wiki/uploads/1/17/Chocolate4.mpg |
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| 00:30.30 | ds3 | if you want something that works, get a Dimension |
| 00:32.13 | luke-jr | "uPrint is compact enough to fit on your desktop; simple enough for no-hassle setup and operation; and â best of all â affordable enough for most users, no matter your profession or office size." |
| 00:32.18 | luke-jr | "starting at only $14,900* USD" |
| 00:32.21 | luke-jr | riiiiiight |
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| 00:32.56 | ds3 | the dimension stuff puts out pretty good stuff... I much rather blow $14K on something that works then $2K on something that doesn't |
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| 00:33.20 | luke-jr | how many materials does it support? |
| 00:33.26 | luke-jr | can I have it make all my meals? |
| 00:33.42 | ds3 | the demo I went to was with ABS |
| 00:33.52 | ds3 | and they can do overhangs that the fab@home/reprap guys can't |
| 00:35.04 | luke-jr | in any case, I don't have even $2K to waste on a toy |
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| 00:35.27 | ds3 | *nod* |
| 00:35.42 | luke-jr | on top of that, I'd have to buy the materials for anything I make |
| 00:35.56 | luke-jr | so I don't know if it could ever pay for itself |
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| 00:36.28 | jef91 | can I assign a ring tone per person on the n900? |
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| 00:37.11 | Macer | flash uses p2p bandwidth sharing? |
| 00:37.13 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 00:37.59 | luke-jr | on the bright side, $14K might not be bad if someone wants to invest in a fab-on-demand company... |
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| 00:41.03 | Macer | jef91: no |
| 00:41.15 | Macer | luke-jr: you wouldn't make anything worth buying anyways |
| 00:41.23 | luke-jr | Macer: you missed it |
| 00:42.33 | Macer | even if you had enough money to buy 10 of them. they would be 10 paper weights in a couple of months with nothing useful produced from them |
| 00:42.48 | luke-jr | Macer: you clearly have no idea what fab-on-demand means |
| 00:42.58 | Macer | clearly |
| 00:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | jef91: yes |
| 00:43.43 | luke-jr | it means YOU provide the design you want fabbed, and can order it in quantities as low as 1 |
| 00:44.24 | luke-jr | so instead of spending $14K on your own fab, you just have the company fab and ship it to you |
| 00:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | jef91: search talk.maemo.org, somewere next to keyword espeak you'll find the way to go |
| 00:46.32 | Macer | your intent was to consider having one in order to have your own fab on deman shop for personal projects. and you are correct. it would be a useless toy that would not produce anything useful for yourself or society other than a few brief moments of seeing it do anything at all |
| 00:47.01 | luke-jr | Macer: now you're not only ignorant, but just trolling |
| 00:47.34 | Macer | little bit. but still the truth nonetheless |
| 00:47.50 | Macer | BUT.. i have to see if someone ported carman to maemo5 or meego :) |
| 00:47.53 | luke-jr | actually, if I had one, it would produce at least 2 useful things for myself |
| 00:47.55 | luke-jr | so f u |
| 00:47.56 | Macer | i really want carman back |
| 00:49.16 | Macer | no kidding. carman is in dev ? :) now that is great news |
| 00:49.32 | Macer | too bad i can't find my damn n810. i have no idea where the hell that thing went. i think i lost it in the move :( |
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| 00:50.57 | Macer | wtf are n810s like 225$? |
| 00:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | makes note to diary that after 8 months still a popular simple way t have per-contact ringtones and profiles in general is missing. Wonder why some of the most obvious apps never seem to happen |
| 00:51.20 | Macer | screw that. i'll get a car mount for my n900 haha.. what a gyp. n800 for $200? i suppose a lesson in scarcity |
| 00:51.50 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: because the *OS is abandoned ;) |
| 00:51.52 | Macer | *see meego |
| 00:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | wait til we abandon *you* :-P |
| 00:53.17 | Macer | is nokia ditching symbian after the n8? |
| 00:53.35 | Macer | i thought i heard it was the last phone they were going to use with symbian on it |
| 00:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | npe, only for N-series |
| 00:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | or top notch smartphones in general |
| 00:54.17 | Macer | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/02/22/meego-to-replace-symbian-in-the-future-as-nokia-goes-beyond-smartphones/ |
| 00:54.26 | Macer | hm |
| 00:54.32 | Macer | can't really trust a blog tho |
| 00:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | -as-nokia-goes-beyond-smartphones/ |
| 00:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | is the key |
| 00:55.03 | Macer | so symbian will remain for what exactly? low end phones? |
| 00:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 00:55.41 | Macer | so their entire shift will be towards meego in the future and they have already started working on it? |
| 00:55.47 | Toa | Is Symbian superior to Maemo/Meego in any way currently? |
| 00:55.49 | ljp | symbian is for middle range phones. s40 is for low end |
| 00:55.58 | psycho_oreos | symbian was a piece of shit |
| 00:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | lorrn, right |
| 00:56.09 | Macer | psycho_oreos: a lot of people say differently ;) |
| 00:56.12 | ljp | symbian is secure |
| 00:56.28 | Macer | i had a friend of mine compare it to "the fbsd of phones" |
| 00:56.32 | psycho_oreos | Macer, yes like every other OS regardless if its for phone or not |
| 00:56.33 | Macer | and he is a huge fbsd lover ;) |
| 00:56.46 | Macer | psycho_oreos: true |
| 00:57.01 | psycho_oreos | ljp, even if symbian is secure, it doesn't mean maemo can't be hardened |
| 00:57.03 | Macer | i just find it odd that realistically maemo5 had such a short life span |
| 00:57.14 | Toa | It's been out for quite a long time, so I imagine it has a larger set of applications available for it. Am I correct? |
| 00:57.24 | Macer | i mean honestly .. once a good working version of meego comes out for n900... i doubt anybody will be running maemo 5 anymore |
| 00:57.40 | psycho_oreos | and symbian to me was a pure example of security through obscurity |
| 00:57.51 | Macer | other than people unwilling to accept it and let go :) |
| 00:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: and that opinion is based on what exactly? |
| 00:58.05 | ljp | symbian security goes beyond that |
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| 00:58.31 | i0h | hi |
| 00:58.49 | psycho_oreos | Toa, as to symbian vs maemo? probably, but maemo was aimed more at tablet users or generally linux fans, symbian had more exposure due to its phone functionality |
| 00:58.53 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. on the fact that development for meego will be rather similar. that meego has its roots in maemo probably making development easy to swap over to. meego will be used on future nokia models whereas maemo will no longer be used... etc |
| 00:58.59 | Macer | stuff like that. |
| 00:59.12 | i0h | my n810 cant access any of sd cards. any program attempting to access either internal or external sd just hangs :( |
| 00:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: and how would that make me swap my OS short term? |
| 00:59.40 | i0h | however they are present at /dev |
| 00:59.49 | Macer | make you swap your os short term? |
| 00:59.57 | psycho_oreos | and that is the exact reason why I loathed n95-1, from the time I bought it from store I've had numerous phone reboots, and the OS telling me what I can't do.. which is absolute stupidity |
| 01:00.04 | i0h | any ideas? |
| 01:00.18 | Macer | psycho_oreos: i loved my n95 tbh |
| 01:00.28 | psycho_oreos | Macer, never did, never will |
| 01:00.30 | Macer | at the time it was an awesome piece of hardware |
| 01:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: maybe like KDE4 hype, where everybody is jumping train just for the "4" in it |
| 01:00.59 | psycho_oreos | it was an awesome piece of hardware laced with shitty OS named symbian |
| 01:01.05 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: possibly. but i would consider the larger fact of it being a linux based distro just like maemo and a future nokia roadmap |
| 01:01.12 | Macer | not to mention the other devices that will try to use it |
| 01:01.35 | ljp | psycho_oreos: I think you are confusing symbian with nokia's interface |
| 01:01.35 | psycho_oreos | the future of maemo already lies in the path of meego, its successor |
| 01:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | is of ZERO relevance to me, my N900 and the apps I've configured after careful selection |
| 01:02.03 | Macer | whereas maemo 5 will eventually go stale since nokia will hve dropped all official support for it and the community relies on the resources of joe developer to create things for it |
| 01:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 01:02.58 | Macer | i mean don't get me wrong. maemo 5 is great. but if meego acts more like a phone on my phone along with the power of the underlying maemo base |
| 01:03.00 | psycho_oreos | ljp, no I'm not confused, I have had issues with OS telling me that I can't install unsigned packages or signed packages whereby the certificate does not exist on the device itself. Then there's issues with stupid camera shutter sounds which you can't turn it off legally.. then there's issues with accessing C:\ on symbian for example |
| 01:03.15 | Macer | then it makes for a better phone OS |
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| 01:04.00 | psycho_oreos | ljp, and that's just the tip of the iceberg for my issues with symbian |
| 01:04.13 | Macer | unfortunately whether community developers want to believe it or not.. the n900 is a PHONE. it is not a tablet that happens to be a phone. it is a step forward and requires acting like a phone. |
| 01:04.35 | psycho_oreos | someone is severely out of touch with what n900 was |
| 01:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | so waht? |
| 01:05.13 | Macer | so all nokia support will be put behind meego and you will find 3 guys working on a stale maemo 5 in their parents basement because they have some niche thing they always wanted to get working |
| 01:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using N900 as a phone on a everyday basis, and I actually had *#-ena published for others to do the same |
| 01:06.10 | psycho_oreos | there's nothing wrong with people developing for legacy devices, there's always has and always will be fans of old/discontinued products |
| 01:06.16 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh. a phone is not just talking. it is a way of use. |
| 01:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is no less a phone than any other smartphone out there, and meego will take a looong time to get on par. |
| 01:06.48 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: depends on how much support is being pushed into it which appears as quite a bit |
| 01:06.56 | Macer | it is definately moving way faster than mer was |
| 01:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | what do you dream when you're asleep? |
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| 01:07.21 | psycho_oreos | probably the death of maemo fans ;) |
| 01:07.40 | Macer | haha.. no way. don't get me wrong. i love maemo 5 and my n900. honestly do. |
| 01:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: see, I'm using some linux version from 2006 on some of my machines. Guess why |
| 01:08.17 | Macer | because there is no need to upgrade? ;) |
| 01:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
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| 01:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | the thing does the job, and never change a running system |
| 01:09.36 | psycho_oreos | you're constantly belittling n900 is all I can see, n900 lacks features of what a phone is capable of and compared to n95 it is a far cry of being more complete of a phone.. above all what is not the real issue is the device itself, the issue is with people are having hard time to grasp the difference between what was once off a series of NIT that had phone capability on it compared to devices that has been around on much more bigger market and |
| 01:09.36 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.44 | Macer | phones are tools of the masses and the majority of the money always wins DocScrutinizer |
| 01:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | zero need to improve *anything* |
| 01:10.19 | Macer | nokia is a company. it goes where the money is |
| 01:11.26 | Macer | and money is found in innovative new products ... not by clinging onto old things that go stale. that was palm. |
| 01:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: again: why would *I* change to meego then?? |
| 01:11.43 | mortini | Macer: or, rather, where it *thinks* the money is. |
| 01:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | as that's been your original statement |
| 01:11.54 | Macer | mortini: touche ;) |
| 01:11.59 | psycho_oreos | because he wants you to become a geek, spend more money on new devices that hasn't even come out yet |
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| 01:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 01:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | and that's getting annoying and boring |
| 01:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | I used my last phone for 8 years |
| 01:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | with a short intermezzo on FR for 9 months |
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| 01:13.54 | psycho_oreos | the 770/Nxxx series were specifically meant to be NIT devices, all except for n900 where there's interested NIT users who wants phone capability, and it was purely slapped on. It wasn't refined, but this is also the cause of why such debates exist between tablet users and phone users |
| 01:13.59 | ljp | psycho_oreos: that is the way symbian was designed. its secure |
| 01:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm planning to use N900 for at least 4 |
| 01:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | exactly the way it is *right now* |
| 01:15.18 | psycho_oreos | ljp, some old article I read awhile ago said that symbian powered phones weren't secure, installing of some 3rd party app renders the device easily hackable. As soon as the email was sent off to symbian, they quickly reacted and turned symbian into some police state OS |
| 01:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | if not bought a promise on a bright future, I got me a device that meets my needs right now |
| 01:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | and that will not 'stall' |
| 01:16.35 | psycho_oreos | ljp, thus I'm sure there's a fair few angered users over symbian's tough on security approach that is well beyond restrictive-ness... and if they really want a phone like that there's always iphone, blackberry or win mobile |
| 01:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I even can update kernel on my pertty own, if I feel like |
| 01:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | and meego offival as of Nokia, for N900, will never happen anyway, so wtf should I feel like abandoning maemo as soon as a half-cooked meego is released ? |
| 01:19.39 | psycho_oreos | I never wanted to buy a device that controls me, its a waste of my money, I never expected symbian to be like that and now that I know how shitty it was I will never own another symbian powered OS, it has always been a POS.. obsessive on security and lack of flexibility |
| 01:20.46 | psycho_oreos | a crude way to look at things would be to say those who own such devices who controls their freedom just wants to be controlled.. like master and slave |
| 01:20.55 | Toa | I'm in the market for a new phone, and I really like my N810, but would prefer not to spend $450 on a phone/computer that is very dependant on the community for its applications if the developers will dry up if the next device releases soon. |
| 01:20.58 | ljp | psycho_oreos: symbians security model was not some quickly done reaction to a magazine article. operators had more to do with it |
| 01:21.02 | Macer | as opposed to their continued support for maemo? |
| 01:21.45 | psycho_oreos | ljp, apparently it was a rather swift action and there's no way to disable any of such stupid implementations without hacking the firmware |
| 01:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | Toa: if there's any app you are missing on N900 from nokia now, then go search for your dream elsewhere |
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| 01:22.45 | Macer | Toa: galaxy s looks pretty nice for an android phone |
| 01:22.45 | returnthis | Toa: all options suck. iPhone is a jail, Android is java on a phone (lots of apps though). n900 is linux on a phone, but at end of line |
| 01:23.33 | Macer | Toa: one might go so far as to say it is an android version of an iphone.. the videos of them side by side were comical :) |
| 01:23.53 | returnthis | I bought the n900 before nokia did the confusing meego switch. right now I have no idea which phone I would get |
| 01:23.55 | Macer | i was expecting it to boot with an apple symbol |
| 01:24.08 | ljp | psycho_oreos: trust me, nothing in nokia is donr swiftly |
| 01:24.14 | psycho_oreos | and the switch from maemo to meego happened to be a joint venture between two companies sharing different styles. Sure its inevitable that n900 will be the last of maemo 5 which will be the last of the maemo series but for now meego seems to be the future |
| 01:24.47 | psycho_oreos | ljp, so you're saying it was symbian's fault for implementing those stupid security stuff and not having the ability to turn them off? |
| 01:25.33 | Toa | What makes it more confusing is some of the carriers (like AT&T) lock down their Android phones so the user can only use their apps. |
| 01:25.36 | Macer | psycho_oreos: it will be interesting to see if a good meego beta comes out in a bit |
| 01:25.43 | Macer | for n900 |
| 01:25.47 | ljp | i am saying there was a demand for it. it was the way symbian was designed to work. |
| 01:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | please would everybody go read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 - before I get angry and start kicking asses |
| 01:26.07 | ljp | psycho_oreos: or rather, s60 |
| 01:26.38 | psycho_oreos | Macer, maybe but I'm not keen on dualbooting meego until its more stable |
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| 01:27.26 | psycho_oreos | ljp, designed to work.. so its fundamentally flawed in not being user friendly enough to give the end users flexibility? |
| 01:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | returnthis: what confusing switch? whether next release of OS for N-series is called maemo or meego, it simply won't run on N900 when designed for a c-ts mt device without hw kbd |
| 01:28.04 | psycho_oreos | that's probably why symbian fails |
| 01:28.15 | ljp | psycho_oreos: not a flaw.thats how its supposed to work |
| 01:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | returnthis: so I honnestly wonder how your N900 got any less worth and value by Nokia developing a OS that integrates moblin |
| 01:28.57 | Macer | psycho_oreos: Stskeeps said it would be best to wait until a little later on to try it out and i will do that eventually just to see how far it has come |
| 01:29.04 | psycho_oreos | ljp, again you're simply indicating that symbian is no better than the likse of iOS, blackberry or win mobile in terms of controlling users's freedom |
| 01:29.21 | Macer | i'm sure it will be a little while but i ran my G1 for quite a while and it only got better but eventually the hardware was dated |
| 01:29.28 | ljp | psycho_oreos: at least users and developers do not have to rely on one companys graces to be able to sell apps |
| 01:30.25 | psycho_oreos | ljp, more like pay $ x 1000 for the right to develop the software on symbian |
| 01:30.33 | psycho_oreos | hardly different |
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| 01:35.47 | Macer | psycho_oreos: don't think the goal of "open" symbian was to really be open :) |
| 01:36.05 | ljp | psycho_oreos: that is changing |
| 01:36.27 | psycho_oreos | Macer, during my time of ownership of n95, symbian was never open, there were works underway but it would never reach into my hands |
| 01:36.50 | psycho_oreos | ljp, changing at a very late time too bad |
| 01:37.07 | ljp | not too late at all |
| 01:37.47 | Macer | ljp: well. if symbian is meant for middle range phones and meego is for the upper smart-phones |
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| 01:38.24 | Macer | at least if that is the nokia roadmap... then who would want to develop for a phone that comes out as outdated hardware? |
| 01:38.29 | SpeedEvil | is bored. Bored since Sat Jul 24 00:23. |
| 01:38.30 | psycho_oreos | well in nokia's case for example, symbian will soon be powering lower priced nokia phones, I'm sure there will be a few other companies soon to follow now that android is taking a serious share on the market |
| 01:38.59 | Macer | yeah. android did kind of take off. it was a total piece of shit when it first came out on my G1 :) |
| 01:39.30 | Macer | cyanogen did absolutely awesome work on his community devs |
| 01:39.31 | returnthis | DocScrutinizer: its the promise of an application ecosystem is what really matters. with the move to meego, n900 is not going to get much more attention for new apps. |
| 01:40.05 | psycho_oreos | the key point is that it was shit but because its slightly far more open sourced than symbian (which could probably be labelled as open symbian) it had gain far more audience, devs, etc |
| 01:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | returnthis: would you fsckng please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 |
| 01:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | if you already did, then I strongly suggest you do again |
| 01:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | applications built for Qt are ported back to maemo on the push of a button |
| 01:42.14 | Toa | DocScrutinizer, thanks for that link. It was very informative. |
| 01:42.24 | Macer | Next step. You're worried you are getting left behind in terms of applications from 3rd parties targetting Maemo6 and MeeGo. |
| 01:42.55 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh. i'm more intrested in the ui |
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| 01:44.16 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0 |
| 01:44.20 | Macer | i mean that is so pretty :) |
| 01:44.29 | psycho_oreos | Macer, who? me? never, I'm quite happy with n900 as it is, sure its incomplete masterpiece and its my very first maemo device. I'm quite happy to acquire linux that now has phone functionalities (albeit far from complete but meh) and at least an OS that isn't as restrictive as what shitian was |
| 01:45.09 | Macer | shitian hahha |
| 01:47.22 | psycho_oreos | albeit linux on phone isn't new, I've missed the boat a few times and now managed to grasp one |
| 01:47.37 | psycho_oreos | phone/internet tablet |
| 01:50.46 | SpeedEvil | linux on a fairly open phone intentionally is pretty new. |
| 01:50.56 | psycho_oreos | if symbian had been more friendly by providing flexibility to the end user, I would not be having my beef about how my past experience of how shitty symbian was.. and most likely would have bought X6 or N8. At the end of the day I want a device that obeys me, if I tell it to go fuck itself, it would as you would expect on linux.. not like go fuck yourself instead on windows or you need valid signed certificate for that |
| 01:51.22 | psycho_oreos | valid and signed certificate on symbian |
| 01:51.47 | psycho_oreos | and probably by then it'll probably say the same thing as windows after all that effort.. access denied |
| 01:52.08 | Toa | Macer: You're right, that's a great looking UI. I wonder how much it affects battery life. |
| 01:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not THAT new :-) |
| 01:55.26 | psycho_oreos | still linux on phone is no longer new, Qtopia (trolltech) had the first slice of linux on phone, then came early HTC breeds with linux (supposedly) |
| 01:56.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: to be fair, the neo1973/freerunner were not an open phone really until fairly recently. |
| 01:56.31 | SpeedEvil | At least unless you picked a 'golden' software version, and stuck with it. |
| 01:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 01:56.44 | SpeedEvil | _phone_ |
| 01:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes |
| 01:56.51 | psycho_oreos | I don't think much of the older linux phones had that much openness either way :) |
| 01:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
| 01:57.02 | SpeedEvil | they were an open phone-shaped-object - with a broken software stack. |
| 01:57.15 | mortini | imo, n900 is great if you want a 'portable computer', but it kinda blows if you want a lot of spiffy apps already written |
| 01:57.53 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: Android was the first 'open' phone probably - you could buy the unlocked one. The OS is _very_ not 'normal' linux though. |
| 01:58.10 | psycho_oreos | freerunner was somewhat ill-equipped for average phone users at the time, it remained much like enthusiast type of phone much like how n900 is |
| 01:58.51 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, problem is I've heard rumours G1 was the only phone with unlocked bootloader, so its not all that open in other sense either |
| 01:59.17 | SpeedEvil | n900 is - I think - a mostly workable phone (I've had worse phones) with a comparatively open stack, though with closed blobs,and a normal userspace. |
| 01:59.31 | SpeedEvil | I don't really count iphone or android if you have to root it. |
| 01:59.44 | mortini | given phone regulations, can only be so open |
| 01:59.53 | psycho_oreos | don't know why you bothered to mention iphail in the first place ;) |
| 02:00.53 | SpeedEvil | mortini: the software stack is almost irrelevant to that. In almost all cases (but the cheapest phones) the modem stack runs on a different CPU. |
| 02:00.55 | psycho_oreos | and yes I generally agree that n900 is a more workable phone albeit I have little experience with userspace stuff, etc |
| 02:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | mortini: regulations don't hinder openness, as modem is a subsystem as blackboxy to you as the OS on your USB storage cornroller chip |
| 02:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | and you don't care |
| 02:01.16 | mortini | I wanna combine opera & moz & built-in browser. since they all have things i like and dislike. |
| 02:01.25 | mortini | mostly, i just want a mail app that doesn't suck. |
| 02:01.36 | mortini | and can handle more than 5 messages in an inbox |
| 02:01.45 | mortini | ah |
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| 02:02.35 | TermanaN900 | good morning |
| 02:02.42 | mortini | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.46 | mortini | If. You. Insist. |
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| 02:05.08 | Toa | mortini: You can tinker with many electronics (wireless routers, for instance) to make them perform in such a way that they are outside regulations. Why they don't have them more locked down to prevent it, I don't know. |
| 02:05.33 | SpeedEvil | The mail app on n900 is opensource. Modest. |
| 02:06.50 | mortini | SpeedEvil: yeah, and based on libtinymail which, somehow is 'tiny' and includes gtk widgets. |
| 02:07.07 | mortini | Toa: mostly becasue you can't actually modify the radio in any meaningful way |
| 02:08.43 | Toa | mortini: Well, you could, for example, boost the output of the antennas to go well beyond regulations. |
| 02:09.17 | mortini | shrugs. |
| 02:11.37 | luke-jr | I need a gear to move a vertical stick downward at a rate of 8 Mt/Tim, with a pendulum that has a timmill interval |
| 02:11.40 | luke-jr | any ideas? |
| 02:13.07 | Toa | mortini: But you're right, the telecommunications networks are much more regulated and enforced than the wifi spectrum. |
| 02:16.14 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: use sensible units? |
| 02:16.26 | SpeedEvil | wtf... |
| 02:16.36 | SpeedEvil | Wierd bongy noises and shutoff. |
| 02:16.44 | SpeedEvil | It was plugged in and not on 3G |
| 02:17.02 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 02:17.10 | luke-jr | tonal units are the only sensible ones.. |
| 02:17.23 | chi | where is the media library db stored in maemo? |
| 02:17.40 | mortini | SpeedEvil: i started writing my own client, but then i got mindf'd on the whole deal and sorta gave up |
| 02:17.41 | SpeedEvil | hmm - device read error |
| 02:17.46 | SpeedEvil | (usb) |
| 02:17.52 | SpeedEvil | (on the host side) |
| 02:18.02 | chi | or rather how can i clear all past user info from maemo? |
| 02:20.17 | luke-jr | has anyone tested my GPS stuff from scratch yet? :P |
| 02:21.13 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gGEn9HaCE&feature=related |
| 02:21.30 | luke-jr | Macer: test my GPS stuff. |
| 02:22.15 | Macer | i'm going to bed. i am just watching this iphone 3gs / n900 video |
| 02:22.36 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no, I meant to, then I got ambushed by a kangaroo wielding a scimitar. |
| 02:22.49 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 02:22.55 | SpeedEvil | Oops - you're right - sorry - it was a sabre. |
| 02:22.57 | Macer | SpeedEvil: HAHAHAHAH |
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| 02:28.37 | Toa | chi: There is a reset the device option in the control panel, I believe |
| 02:29.24 | Toa | chi: Or, you can simply reflash the device by using your computer. |
| 02:29.28 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: wd! |
| 02:29.58 | Toa | chi: I suppose I should ask what device you have. |
| 02:30.15 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: In reality - I forgot, and I'd ave to go outside and get it, and charge it, and ... |
| 02:30.27 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: you won the game <.< |
| 02:31.13 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately not. I have no large catgirl harem on the moon. |
| 02:31.14 | Macer | SpeedEvil: :) the scimitar was a way better choice of weapon |
| 02:32.05 | SpeedEvil | Macer: I am not resonsible for the state of kangaroo armaments. |
| 02:32.34 | Macer | haha |
| 02:32.52 | Macer | yeah. a kangaroo right of passage is smelting their own blade |
| 02:33.07 | chi | n900 |
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| 02:42.06 | chi | i think i will then. thanks Toa =) |
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| 03:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: failure to start charging? (though I never seen it happen on USB hosts) |
| 03:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway that's exactly what happened to me a few hours ago, see backscroll |
| 03:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | on wallcharger |
| 03:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | considers to set up autokick on 'tonal', with fixed user t kick, no matter who posted the matchstring |
| 03:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | or, more clearly: This a tonal-free zone, including all units, numbers, and other concepts based on tonal. This applies particularly to user luke-jr |
| 03:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | no kidding |
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| 03:51.37 | TermanaN900 | what have i missed? |
| 03:51.43 | TermanaN900 | grabs popcorn |
| 03:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | nah, eat your popcorn while watching TV. Here's nothing happening, move on |
| 03:52.42 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: discrimination! |
| 03:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | nope, enforcing of a minimum of common sense. Tonal indoctrination isn't appreciated, as is trolling about Qt being a lib, a preprocessor extension, or a programming language in it's own right |
| 03:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | I get my daily WTF elsewhere |
| 03:56.37 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you'll have to ban metric too then. and inches/feet/etc just to be fair. no units allowed. |
| 03:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | so let me put it simple: OT discussions are stopped as soon as somebody complains. I complain |
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| 03:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | discussion here subsumes statements and remarks that nobody is answering on, aka trolling |
| 03:59.28 | luke-jr | wonders what with the ops here and their bad moods today |
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| 04:08.52 | slonopotamus | yawns |
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| 04:10.12 | Stskeeps | morn slonopotamus |
| 04:10.45 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: morn, yep |
| 04:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | UGT |
| 04:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | though, actually dawn outside :-S |
| 04:12.26 | chi | Toa, i flashed it and everything went fine. old contacts and what not are still there =/ |
| 04:12.30 | slonopotamus | had terrible headache since tuesday and isn't very happy about that. |
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| 04:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | Toa: sure, most of that is in your homedir, and that's not even touched on flashing the rootfs |
| 04:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | chi: ^^^ |
| 04:13.42 | chi | i went through there already heh |
| 04:13.49 | chi | will just deleted it all i guess |
| 04:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | a backup and restore will still give you most of that, even after eMMC flash |
| 04:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | otoh if complete erasure is what you're after, maybe give settings a try, there are some erase all private data and restore factory settings options |
| 04:16.52 | chi | ooooh there it is |
| 04:16.55 | chi | grins |
| 04:19.19 | chi | great, it wants an unlock cod |
| 04:19.20 | chi | e |
| 04:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | 1234 |
| 04:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 04:19.58 | chi | shakes his head |
| 04:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'd shake head if those options were's double-secured |
| 04:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, weren't |
| 04:21.08 | Stskeeps | 12345 |
| 04:21.27 | pigeon | hmm, the software update check on the n900 could be quite annoying sometimes... |
| 04:22.11 | chi | nope |
| 04:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if meanwhile we got a clear howto_reset_devicecode |
| 04:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | heh, qgil online :-D |
| 04:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | chi: what means "no" here? |
| 04:24.53 | chi | ? |
| 04:25.00 | chi | 12345 didn;t work either |
| 04:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | then you changed the code |
| 04:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | or you're messing with SIMlock unlock |
| 04:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | which is called "unlock device" OWTTE in settings menu |
| 04:27.14 | chi | haha |
| 04:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | "enter code to remove network provider lock" here (in de_DE, translated) |
| 04:27.23 | chi | yup i was entering in the wrong place |
| 04:27.30 | chi | geebus i really need sleep |
| 04:27.35 | chi | facepalm |
| 04:27.36 | chi | s |
| 04:27.43 | chi | 12345 was correct |
| 04:27.51 | pigeon | does anyone know what /usr/libexec/ham-after-boot does? |
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| 04:43.58 | RST38h | moos |
| 04:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | moos back |
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| 05:17.37 | ml-mobile | hm |
| 05:17.59 | ml-mobile | it seems this battery cannot be estimated at all :/ |
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| 05:21.26 | slonopotamus | ml-mobile: tried BatteryGraph? |
| 05:27.59 | microlith | yeah, it's showing a slight decline in power consumption |
| 05:28.08 | microlith | err, battery charge rather |
| 05:28.29 | microlith | guess I haven't been messing with it as much as I usually do |
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| 06:17.08 | TermanaN900 | ~ping |
| 06:17.09 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 06:43.42 | astruasdh | hello guys... please, sometimes my n900 shows that there is no sim card. I related it to the lack of signal, but sometimes it happens in a place with a really strong sinal. is it possible to workaround this? |
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| 06:48.13 | slonopotamus | okay, ppl. autotools are just crap. |
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| 06:49.06 | slonopotamus | astruasdh: it's the lack of contact between phone and simcard |
| 06:49.31 | astruasdh | slonopotamus, what can I do? buy another sim card? |
| 06:49.46 | slonopotamus | astruasdh: put something thick (folded piece of paper, for example) between simcard and battery. |
| 06:49.57 | slonopotamus | astruasdh: that helped 2 n900s here :) |
| 06:50.57 | slonopotamus | astruasdh: bad simcard holder, doesn't produce enough pressure |
| 06:51.54 | astruasdh | tyvm!!! |
| 06:58.33 | slonopotamus | astruasdh: it helped? :) |
| 06:59.39 | astruasdh | slonopotamus, a lot! |
| 07:00.32 | astruasdh | slonopotamus, you saved my cellphone (it almost has been thrown to the wall) and my cellphone company (I almost put a bomb there) |
| 07:00.40 | astruasdh | hehe |
| 07:01.10 | slonopotamus | considers opening a paper-pressure-thingie-for-your-n900 shop |
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| 07:05.58 | slonopotamus | ~curse autobuilder |
| 07:05.59 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autobuilder ! |
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| 07:08.33 | slonopotamus | ~curse autobuilder |
| 07:08.34 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autobuilder ! |
| 07:08.44 | slonopotamus | :( |
| 07:10.55 | slonopotamus | what autotools thing creates config.guess/config.sub? |
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| 07:20.14 | slonopotamus | okay, found |
| 07:21.47 | slonopotamus | Writing NEWS, README, AUTHORS, and ChangeLog |
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| 07:21.57 | slonopotamus | These files are required by automake. More correctly, these files must exist in order for automake to run successfully. The contents of these files are not really relevant to automake. You can just put placeholders, or you can put the correct contents into each (the names are pretty self-explanatory). |
| 07:22.02 | slonopotamus | MADNESS |
| 07:22.14 | marcus | Heya guys, any "big" and exciting news the last 2 weeks? I've been hiking in greenland, and not much network there. |
| 07:22.22 | marcus | For the n900 mostly |
| 07:22.44 | slonopotamus | marcus: nope |
| 07:22.58 | marcus | slonopotamus: Not even any exciting new apps? |
| 07:23.09 | slonopotamus | marcus: fcamera |
| 07:24.00 | marcus | slonopotamus: fcam that is? |
| 07:24.57 | slonopotamus | marcus: package name is fcamera |
| 07:24.58 | marcus | Ahh, nvm. |
| 07:25.07 | marcus | Yeah, just googled a tad deeper (: |
| 07:25.23 | slonopotamus | brb |
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| 07:28.40 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 07:28.55 | slonopotamus | it really knocks off osso-camera-ui |
| 07:29.09 | slonopotamus | s/off/down or smth/ |
| 07:29.20 | RST38h | built in camera app seems to produce better pictures though |
| 07:29.36 | RST38h | fcamera shows vignetting and noise |
| 07:29.54 | slonopotamus | and clearly shows that it measures focus distance wrong :) |
| 07:30.07 | RST38h | yep, noticed that today too |
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| 07:30.44 | slonopotamus | always more than needed |
| 07:31.02 | RST38h | opposite here |
| 07:31.15 | RST38h | tends to put it at 1-2m when shooting at infinity |
| 07:31.26 | slonopotamus | ~2 times more for me |
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| 07:32.37 | slonopotamus | RST38h: well, your infinity isn't so infinite as you think then :) |
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| 07:38.57 | slonopotamus | okay |
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| 07:41.37 | slonopotamus | my package builds in sdk but doesn't on builder. thoughts? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sflphone-common_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo9/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 07:42.25 | slonopotamus | nvm |
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| 07:57.00 | slonopotamus | forces everyone to abandon autotools |
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| 08:25.06 | alterego | Some wanker started dril!lng at half eight in the morning .. |
| 08:25.16 | alterego | wtf, on a saturday?!? |
| 08:31.22 | astruasdh | hhaha |
| 08:31.43 | trumee | could somebody help me with usb networking |
| 08:32.19 | trumee | I run a gentoo box. What should i do at the host side? |
| 08:32.49 | trumee | i have usb0 and usbpn0 on my host box. |
| 08:33.29 | trumee | do i need to specify an ip address to usb0 before i connect N900? |
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| 08:34.36 | cylent | hello all |
| 08:35.14 | cylent | anybody know if theres a program that will announce calls by "speaking them" per name like on other Nokia devices ? (for the n900) |
| 08:35.23 | alterego | trumee: yes, the IP address should be on the 192.168.2.0/24 network |
| 08:35.41 | alterego | trumee: the N900 expects .14 for gateway for some reason though that is un important. |
| 08:35.43 | trumee | alterego: my lan runs on 172.16.1.0/24 |
| 08:35.57 | alterego | trumee: So? this is a different "LAN" |
| 08:36.11 | trumee | alterego: ok |
| 08:37.30 | cylent | anybody? |
| 08:38.04 | alterego | cylent: there is, search talk.maemo.org |
| 08:38.11 | alterego | It uses eSpeak I believe |
| 08:38.25 | cylent | i honestly am searching but dont know what to search for LOL |
| 08:39.27 | astruasdh | alterego, I'm sorry, but what does lng mean? |
| 08:42.00 | slonopotamus | holy crap. looks like i won autotools. |
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| 08:48.39 | slonopotamus | fuuuuck! now arm target builds and i386 cannot link because libgcrypt.so is broken on builder |
| 08:50.11 | frals | cylent: espeakcaller or smth |
| 08:53.48 | slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sflphone-common_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo9/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 08:53.52 | slonopotamus | thoughts? |
| 08:54.00 | slonopotamus | (arm built successfully) |
| 08:54.38 | frals | arch: armel in control file ;D |
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| 08:58.42 | cylent | hmm. i added extras-testing and extras-devel but its not in there. |
| 08:59.34 | slonopotamus | frals: cheater |
| 08:59.50 | slonopotamus | frals: and i386 builds in sdk loclly |
| 09:01.24 | cylent | nm |
| 09:01.38 | cylent | i was typing freemantile instead of fremantle |
| 09:01.42 | cylent | :-P |
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| 09:06.44 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: itunes? |
| 09:06.58 | MohammadAG51 | pukes |
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| 09:16.44 | alteregoa | fnord |
| 09:16.50 | alteregoa | good fnord morning |
| 09:17.11 | alteregoa | allah akbar |
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| 09:17.40 | alterego | O_o |
| 09:17.50 | alteregoa | skol |
| 09:18.10 | crashanddie | alterego: I can remove him |
| 09:18.17 | alterego | crashanddie: please |
| 09:18.34 | alteregoa | i Sverige det är mycket sent mörk |
| 09:18.51 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 09:18.55 | alterego | He's obviously dogging me for some reason. |
| 09:19.10 | alteregoa | i got my nick since 2003 |
| 09:19.33 | MohammadAG51 | lolwtf |
| 09:19.43 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*max@*.dclient.hispeed.ch] by crashanddie |
| 09:19.43 | *** kick/#maemo [alteregoa!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (alteregoa) |
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| 09:19.56 | crashanddie | I had to watch out for nick autocompletion there :P |
| 09:19.58 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 09:19.59 | alterego | It's juxst dodgy coming from china :D |
| 09:20.11 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, nah, you could've banned both |
| 09:20.41 | crashanddie | alterego: no, that's switzerland |
| 09:21.18 | alterego | .ch is switzerland? |
| 09:21.26 | kerio | yes |
| 09:21.29 | kerio | duh |
| 09:21.42 | bef0rd | .cn china |
| 09:21.44 | alterego | Anyhow, thank you crashanddie he's been a bit of a nuisance over the past week .. |
| 09:21.46 | kerio | also, he registered alteregoa on Apr 29 10:32:30 2008 (2 years, 12 weeks, 1 day, 22:48:41 ago) |
| 09:21.48 | alterego | Ah, right. |
| 09:21.55 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:22.07 | alterego | I was wondering if he had actually _registered_ it :) |
| 09:22.25 | alterego | I wonder how long I've had mine for .. |
| 09:24.07 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG51: :D |
| 09:24.31 | kerio | -NickServ- Registered : Dec 13 21:57:02 2003 (6 years, 32 weeks, 0 days, 11:27:18 ago) |
| 09:24.45 | kerio | (alterego) |
| 09:25.19 | crashanddie | I'm removing the ban, the guy apologised in PM |
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| 09:25.34 | crashanddie | woops |
| 09:25.35 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 09:25.46 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!*max@*.dclient.hispeed.ch] by crashanddie |
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| 09:26.29 | alterego | kerio: thanks :) wow, thass a long time. |
| 09:26.49 | kerio | you know, /ns help is free |
| 09:27.00 | alterego | crashanddie: the point is, he doesn't even know what the channel is for, he's here for me only. |
| 09:27.07 | kerio | (or /msg nickserv help if your client sucks) |
| 09:27.29 | crashanddie | kerio: he wondered, didn't ask you to look it up |
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| 09:27.41 | bef0rd | cyberstalkr |
| 09:27.44 | kerio | crashanddie: sorry for being helpful |
| 09:27.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:28.05 | crashanddie | alterego: this channel is supposed to be open, spread the word, all that |
| 09:28.15 | alterego | crashanddie: fair enough. |
| 09:28.25 | alterego | Maybe it's about time I got a new Nick anyway |
| 09:28.33 | crashanddie | he shouldn't bother you again, if he does, without disrupting the channel: /ignore. If he disrupts the channel, we'll remove him anyway. |
| 09:28.34 | kerio | spread the word that the hw keyboard is pure crap on 3-key combos |
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| 09:28.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:28.53 | crashanddie | http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/oops_clamped_supercar_duo_in_london.jpg |
| 09:29.04 | slonopotamus | so |
| 09:29.06 | crashanddie | I don't know what's more epic, the clamp, or the colour of those cars |
| 09:29.09 | kerio | although i did manage to get all the unix keys here |
| 09:29.10 | slonopotamus | who broke libgcrypt? |
| 09:29.17 | Myrtti | good morning |
| 09:29.24 | slonopotamus | Myrtti: you? |
| 09:29.32 | kerio | i also got the gbp symbol there, not sure why |
| 09:30.32 | slonopotamus | or, who updated libgpg-error? |
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| 09:34.46 | slonopotamus | who is Bjoern Ricks? |
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| 10:01.27 | kerio | what do you guys use to sync the time? |
| 10:01.33 | kerio | openntpd? |
| 10:02.47 | alterego | I do |
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| 10:03.07 | alterego | Contemplating using GPS time though |
| 10:03.22 | th3hate | I forgot my N900's lock code, anything i can to get it back? |
| 10:03.25 | th3hate | but not flashing.. |
| 10:03.36 | alterego | th3hate: even flashing wont change the code. |
| 10:03.46 | th3hate | oops |
| 10:04.00 | alterego | Did you set the code yourself? |
| 10:04.08 | kerio | 12345? |
| 10:04.15 | th3hate | no i changed it some time ago |
| 10:04.17 | th3hate | but i forgot it now |
| 10:04.23 | kerio | nokia could probably change it |
| 10:04.34 | kerio | *if* you provide enough proof you're the owner |
| 10:04.40 | alterego | Yeah, if you take it into a care centre you might be able to get it fixed. |
| 10:04.59 | th3hate | well, sadly no close nokia care point around here.. |
| 10:05.04 | th3hate | i have to drive like 6 hours.. |
| 10:05.14 | alterego | There's always mail :P |
| 10:05.19 | alterego | Phone them up and ask. |
| 10:05.37 | th3hate | i heard there is a way to get it back via terminal |
| 10:05.39 | slonopotamus | wasn't there some bug that allowed logging in without entering security code? |
| 10:05.40 | alterego | I'd try to use memorable numbers, maybe you used a normal PIN with a 0 on the end or something like that. |
| 10:05.45 | alterego | th3hate: nope. |
| 10:06.17 | th3hate | so nokia care point is the only way? |
| 10:06.39 | alterego | th3hate: well, it's the closest thing we have to an answer., |
| 10:06.42 | th3hate | Not even flash rootfs and eMMC? |
| 10:06.58 | alterego | No, lock code is on a secure area of the phone. |
| 10:07.12 | slonopotamus | does it store password in CAL? |
| 10:07.13 | alterego | It wouldn't be very secure if you could just flash it and remove the security :P |
| 10:07.26 | slonopotamus | alterego: it isn't secure |
| 10:07.50 | alterego | slonopotamus: how do you get around it then? |
| 10:07.56 | slonopotamus | alterego: you can happily replace kernel/loader/whatever |
| 10:08.20 | alterego | Fair point .. |
| 10:08.34 | th3hate | check this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJyUJsKkUU |
| 10:08.36 | th3hate | will it work? |
| 10:08.54 | th3hate | recovering lost security lock code on Linux CLI |
| 10:09.16 | alterego | If the risks are low, try it .. |
| 10:09.25 | slonopotamus | th3hate: do you have sshd installed there? |
| 10:09.32 | th3hate | yes |
| 10:10.01 | slonopotamus | th3hate: and is your n900 locked currently? |
| 10:10.07 | th3hate | yep |
| 10:10.40 | alterego | Oh, heh |
| 10:10.41 | slonopotamus | th3hate: but... can you login via ssh? |
| 10:10.52 | alterego | Yeah, is it currently connected to a network? |
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| 10:11.09 | th3hate | no i restarted it and lock screen appeared |
| 10:11.13 | th3hate | so its not connected to anything |
| 10:11.20 | alterego | Hrm .. |
| 10:11.34 | slonopotamus | th3hate: won't it autoconnect to your wifi AP? |
| 10:11.48 | Stskeeps | and 12345 doesnt work? |
| 10:11.52 | th3hate | no it's not set on auto connect |
| 10:11.54 | th3hate | only manual |
| 10:12.02 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 10:12.05 | alterego | Oh dear. |
| 10:12.24 | slonopotamus | that was your mistake No2 :) |
| 10:12.43 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: is lock code stored in CAL? |
| 10:13.07 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 10:13.25 | Stskeeps | its however a hash i believe |
| 10:13.48 | slonopotamus | well, it is set to smth when it is _unset_ |
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| 10:15.23 | slonopotamus | so, plan: 1. boot meego/android/whatever. 2. build my libopencal 3. set lock code to smth that means "no lock code" 4. reboot 5. profit :D. it can accidentally destroy CAL data, but you were going to nokia care anyway :D |
| 10:16.03 | th3hate | Well driving six hours seems easier than what you said |
| 10:16.04 | th3hate | xD |
| 10:16.12 | slonopotamus | okay :) |
| 10:16.27 | th3hate | but wait i think i have multiboot installed |
| 10:17.08 | th3hate | i can boot android |
| 10:17.35 | th3hate | how to: . 2. build my libopencal 3. set lock code to smth that means "no lock code" 4. |
| 10:17.35 | slonopotamus | so, #1 is done :D |
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| 10:17.52 | slonopotamus | th3hate: maybe you just use android? :) |
| 10:18.28 | th3hate | It has no phone function |
| 10:18.41 | th3hate | you gotta be kidding me.. |
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| 10:20.44 | th3hate | Is there anything i can do or im just wasting time? |
| 10:21.35 | psycho_oreos | afaik NITdroid was very much WIP :) |
| 10:21.36 | Stskeeps | if you can wait a week we have a rescue initrd of sorts in meego.. |
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| 10:26.39 | slonopotamus | meh, got disconnected |
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| 10:44.57 | smhar | I am thinking of using my N900 as the mail 'email system'. I currently use thundrebird in my notebook and my home pc. I have several email accounts. when away from my computers I use web email interface. what suggestions do you have for me? |
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| 10:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 10:51.20 | smhar | ? |
| 10:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: there's no such thing like 'no lockcode' afaik |
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| 10:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-24 06:22:28] * DocScrutinizer wonders if meanwhile we got a clear howto_reset_devicecode |
| 10:57.31 | jacekowski | th3hate: code-reset in repository |
| 10:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: initrd? how's it going to boot? |
| 10:57.43 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: hmm. okay |
| 10:57.46 | jacekowski | th3hate: it will reset the code to 12345 |
| 10:57.56 | SpeedEvil | Welcome all! |
| 10:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's been about time |
| 10:58.06 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: does it run from android? :) |
| 10:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | was about to say "where's jacekowski when you need him?" |
| 10:58.54 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:59.26 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: well... then what's use in it? |
| 10:59.36 | jacekowski | give me a sec |
| 10:59.41 | slonopotamus | okay, you can mount maemo fs from android. |
| 11:00.24 | jacekowski | i could make a generic unlocker that unlock phone via usb |
| 11:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: was "itunes" the reply to [2010-07-24 00:14:18] * DocScrutinizer wonders what becamo of allofmp3 ?? |
| 11:01.57 | jacekowski | thing is that generic unlocker could be abused |
| 11:03.18 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can flash a kernel, and ask it to boot, and that kernel can load a FS over USB, and read out everything from the phone, in under a minute. |
| 11:03.48 | jacekowski | that requires little bit of skill |
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| 11:04.50 | jacekowski | i was thinking of something that would require you to use some sort of id |
| 11:05.04 | jacekowski | like pay £1 via credit card and you get imei locked version |
| 11:05.33 | slonopotamus | £1 is a good id, yep |
| 11:05.40 | jacekowski | credit card is |
| 11:05.53 | jacekowski | unless it's stolen |
| 11:06.18 | jacekowski | but that eliminates all low level thiefs |
| 11:06.48 | slonopotamus | hates autotools |
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| 11:16.14 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:16.18 | MohammadAG | can't ssh to the N900 |
| 11:16.42 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Did you make its hostname mordor? |
| 11:17.20 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 11:20.48 | smhar | I am thinking of using my N900 as the mail 'email system'. I currently use thundrebird in my notebook and my home pc. I have several email accounts. when away from my computers I use web email interface. what suggestions do you have for me? |
| 11:21.42 | jacekowski | buy an iphone |
| 11:22.23 | slonopotamus | use imap |
| 11:22.48 | smhar | jacekowski, not funny |
| 11:23.10 | slonopotamus | or, better, read mail through mutt/pine on remote host through ssh :) |
| 11:23.26 | slonopotamus | that's so 1990 |
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| 11:30.19 | smhar | I was thinking about using some dedicated email client like thunderbird or Claws Mail or Sylpheed |
| 11:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: imei-locked costomer-specific was what we had as plan B on OM, if ever our flashing of modem firmware would cause fatalities like erased config (==CAL) areas |
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| 11:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you wouldn't want to go thru the hassle to receive 1GBP via credit card from all over the world, ans paypal probably useless for that identification purpose |
| 11:35.33 | jacekowski | that can be automated |
| 11:35.40 | jacekowski | and i could make some profit on it |
| 11:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 11:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | try it, you'll curse the day you started it |
| 11:36.29 | jacekowski | why? |
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| 11:36.56 | jacekowski | i can't really imagine what could go wrong |
| 11:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | "Dear Mr jacekowski - here is the money transfer from india to your account at our bank. Ammount: 1GBP, fee for handling and conversion from Indian rupies: 7.86GBP" |
| 11:38.02 | alterego | Hrm, so omapfb.h isn't in the linux kernel hedaers. |
| 11:38.14 | alterego | I guess that makes sense, so they have to distribute the file seperately .. Great .. |
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| 11:39.18 | smhar | can I run thunderbird , Claws Mail or Sylpheed without easy debian? |
| 11:40.36 | alterego | claws should be available. |
| 11:43.25 | petteri | Any germas here that could help? I am going to Berlin for couple of days next week. Any pointers if (and where) I could get prepaid sim card with unlimited data, so that I could internet on my n900 (maps and stuff) |
| 11:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: then OTOH think about that: the hacker interested in your personal data on N900 is cute enough to do what you're planning to do, without your help. For the usual dumbass junkie thief and dealer N900 is a dead booty, as there's no standard flasher out there to deal with IMEI in N900 - nota bene you can not flash cellmo via USB like you do on RAPUYAMA-only phones |
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| 11:44.47 | peb | Hi Petteri, I'm German. About Prepaid-Sims: I've to check myself ... Normal Prepaid Sims you can buy nearly everywhere .... I'll check. |
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| 11:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | petteri: heard simio *should* work - supermarkets, need to fine the right one. O2 has shops everywhere, get a LOOP prepaid PAYG SIM, and book INTERNET_L for 25EUR/month (==5GB) |
| 11:46.57 | peb | Thanks DocScrutinizer, saved me some work :-) |
| 11:47.33 | petteri | DocScrutinizer, peb thanks for you both. I'll look it up |
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| 11:48.29 | kerio | 25â¬/month is way too much imo |
| 11:48.38 | kerio | although we are paying 21 atm |
| 11:48.43 | kerio | for 350 hours |
| 11:48.55 | kerio | plus 9 on my phone sim... |
| 11:49.04 | kerio | gaah i'm paying too much for internet |
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| 11:50.12 | SpeedEvil | Paypal is not useless for ID purposes. |
| 11:50.20 | SpeedEvil | Paypal has ID tied to every account. |
| 11:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | petteri: tariff LOOP LMS(?) ->LOOP-UP30 (30EUR) = 30eur normal account PLUS 30eur bonus. Then send sms "START INTERNET-L" to 5667 |
| 11:50.35 | SpeedEvil | You can pass the paypal ID to police, and they can investigate |
| 11:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | petteri: will leave you with 5EUR normal account for special numbers etc, 5GB traffic for one month, plus 30EUR bonus for normal call and SMS 'minutes' |
| 11:54.05 | petteri | DocScrutinizer: ok :) |
| 11:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | petteri: dunno how it matches with a freshly bought card, maybe the card is 25eur and comes without any bonus or minutes, for one month. You need to ask in shop |
| 11:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | (comes without) but with data volume of course |
| 11:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fair enough, but paypal accounts are notorious to be faked |
| 11:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | or hijacked |
| 11:56.51 | h4xordood | hey maemo doesnt have video calling support ? o_O |
| 11:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | depends on your definition of video-call |
| 11:57.43 | h4xordood | like when u dialling number u can choose video calling 3g |
| 11:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | seems maemo's video-call support is at least as good as the very new 'cute' iPhone's |
| 11:58.30 | jacekowski | you can do jabber video call |
| 11:58.34 | jacekowski | and skype video call |
| 11:58.36 | h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: how can i video call |
| 11:58.42 | h4xordood | jacekowski: thats VOIP |
| 11:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: honestly I never seen *anybody* doing video calling over 3G |
| 11:58.53 | jacekowski | almost like 3g |
| 11:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | voice |
| 11:58.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: the front-facing camera sucks :| |
| 11:59.04 | h4xordood | but the call like 3g |
| 11:59.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never made a video phone call |
| 11:59.09 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: even on the internet |
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| 11:59.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i don't really like when somebody watches me |
| 11:59.24 | h4xordood | where i dial phone number actually and not paying skype |
| 11:59.25 | jacekowski | i don't have webcam |
| 11:59.35 | jacekowski | and webcam drivers in my laptop are uninstalled |
| 11:59.39 | h4xordood | jacekowski: same here i never do |
| 11:59.52 | h4xordood | but its matter with my girlfriend :P |
| 12:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | she got a N900? |
| 12:00.27 | jacekowski | geekgirl? |
| 12:00.30 | h4xordood | she has nokia 5800 |
| 12:00.35 | h4xordood | xpress music |
| 12:00.39 | jacekowski | ah |
| 12:00.46 | jacekowski | not so geeky |
| 12:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 12:00.51 | h4xordood | she wants to have an eye on me may be :P |
| 12:01.23 | jacekowski | 3g video calls with video faker |
| 12:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | so I wonder if 5800 came with big letters "VIDEO CALLS WTH EVERYWHERE!" on the box |
| 12:01.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: to create a paypal account, you need a CC or a bank account. |
| 12:01.51 | h4xordood | :D |
| 12:02.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: So it's pretty much the same proble |
| 12:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: to hijack a paypal account you need much less :-P |
| 12:02.36 | slonopotamus | wtf? apt-get update && apt-get install sflphone-client-gnome 0Mb |
| 12:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | good social engineering or a virus will do |
| 12:02.48 | slonopotamus | s/Mb/bytes/ |
| 12:03.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: don't forget the rubber hose. |
| 12:04.00 | slonopotamus | infobot: stop highlighting me without a reason. |
| 12:04.01 | infobot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops highlighting me without a reason. |
| 12:04.08 | slonopotamus | mwahaha |
| 12:04.17 | slonopotamus | infobot: go away |
| 12:04.18 | infobot | /server irc.rt.ru |
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| 12:04.47 | jacekowski | infobot: die |
| 12:04.48 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 12:04.58 | slonopotamus | infobot: lick jacekowski |
| 12:04.59 | infobot | ACTION licks jacekowski *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 12:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: get your gf a n900 and use skype or any IM with video. Or you both buy a Iphone 4G and claim you invented videocalling |
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| 12:06.02 | h4xordood | ha ha :D |
| 12:06.16 | slonopotamus | hates autobuilder that behaves differently from sdk |
| 12:06.39 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: ? |
| 12:06.42 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: works for me |
| 12:06.51 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: it's same here and there |
| 12:06.59 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: just less packages installed by default there |
| 12:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | which is a good thing(TM) |
| 12:07.53 | h4xordood | i am thinking mee go on n900 |
| 12:08.27 | h4xordood | mee go has that function of video calling yes ? |
| 12:08.30 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: no. same config.guess resulted in arm-unknown-linux-gnu locally and in arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi on autobuilder. |
| 12:08.46 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: it was old config.guess, but so what? |
| 12:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: screwit, meego has probably no call function at all yet :-P |
| 12:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | (well, actually it might have something considerably more rudimentary than maemo has) |
| 12:10.22 | kerio | is there a guide in configuring ntp for the n900? |
| 12:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | don't expect meego on par with maemo+apps for the next 9 months at very least |
| 12:10.37 | h4xordood | :P |
| 12:11.11 | slonopotamus | now, everyone, apt-get update && apt-get install sflphone-client-gnome && sflphone :P |
| 12:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | esp on N900 |
| 12:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | this might change on rollout of N90x++, but that won't instantly change things for N900 |
| 12:11.59 | h4xordood | apt-get update doesnt updates my n900 o_O |
| 12:12.11 | kerio | duh |
| 12:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: RTFM! |
| 12:12.22 | kerio | it updates the apt catalog |
| 12:12.29 | h4xordood | some errors and shuts |
| 12:12.40 | kerio | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will update the packages too |
| 12:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like PEBCAK |
| 12:13.00 | h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: RTFM! i read some of it |
| 12:13.19 | smhar | seems there is still no mature email client for N900, this means I will still not be able to use it as my primary email device.. sad |
| 12:13.31 | flashn | huh |
| 12:14.16 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiIYEmpWaaQ&feature=fvw |
| 12:14.18 | flashn | youre gonna keep another device with you just for emailing? |
| 12:14.23 | kerio | can someone make a better wifi toggle applet? |
| 12:14.26 | flashn | yeah, thats really sad |
| 12:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: this might be true, and due to the fact I'd not use it as my primary mailing client even when it had thunderbird, I can't really comment on it. Except there won't be change if everybody feels the way I do |
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| 12:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | how about webmailer? |
| 12:17.13 | alterego | Urgh, why aren't there any good tutorials/examples on making X video overlays ... |
| 12:17.21 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: pretty much |
| 12:17.26 | alterego | I don't wanna use fbdev :( |
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| 12:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: mhm |
| 12:17.41 | alterego | specifically omapfb .. |
| 12:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: don't exactly agree but meh |
| 12:17.46 | crashanddie | not what became of it, but rather, an alternative as you asked |
| 12:17.55 | SpeedEvil | diddn't lcuk do something overlayey? |
| 12:18.15 | crashanddie | IIRC, lcuk paints directly in YUV to the buffer |
| 12:18.47 | alterego | Yeah, it's just I can't do Qt widget overlays on top of that. |
| 12:18.52 | mhmh | yay.. Back to maemo again. Got sent a Galaxy S as replacment when my first one broke.. Getting aN900 again middle of next week :) |
| 12:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | there's a living tutorial and the nick is rater :-P |
| 12:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | raster even |
| 12:19.44 | alterego | I want to do something similar to the inbuilt "Camera" application. |
| 12:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | and that is? |
| 12:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | suck? be closed? |
| 12:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 12:20.33 | SpeedEvil | A nice camera would be awesome. |
| 12:20.37 | alterego | Well, I think they use gstreamer, but I want to be more direct. |
| 12:20.42 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nope, something that opens randomly in your pocket :P |
| 12:20.43 | alterego | SpeedEvil: that's what I'm working on :/ |
| 12:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | fcma has potential I thought |
| 12:21.05 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I'm using fcam. |
| 12:21.15 | alterego | Their examples use fbdev/omapfb |
| 12:21.30 | alterego | But I can't render widgets on top of that. |
| 12:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | they can |
| 12:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | or wait, no they don't |
| 12:21.59 | alterego | They use colour keys |
| 12:22.05 | alterego | Well, a colour key |
| 12:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | do they? |
| 12:22.12 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:22.27 | alterego | Then omapfb only updates based on that key. |
| 12:22.41 | alterego | The "grey" that some people report they see when they don't get video is the colour key |
| 12:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmhmhm, histogram is superimposed |
| 12:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | buttons are not |
| 12:24.22 | alterego | Well, they can render the histogram on the QWidget they use for the view finder, the colour key will be replaced with white and show "through" the frame because the frame isn't drawn there. |
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| 12:24.58 | alterego | Maybe I could use OpenGL .. |
| 12:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | ping raster, maybe he has some tips, or he will tell you 2h why it sucks :-P |
| 12:25.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:26.05 | alterego | I might look at the source for xvimagesink or something |
| 12:26.09 | SpeedEvil | I'd actually quite like a no-UI camera. |
| 12:26.19 | SpeedEvil | Open shutter - it goes beep - close shutter |
| 12:26.24 | alterego | SpeedEvil: you meen command like operation? |
| 12:26.26 | slonopotamus | anyone has sip account? |
| 12:26.27 | alterego | ~mean .. |
| 12:26.28 | infobot | ACTION thinks .. is mean :( |
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| 12:26.44 | slonopotamus | ~mean Mr Mustard |
| 12:26.45 | infobot | ACTION thinks Mr Mustard is mean :( |
| 12:27.13 | crashanddie | slonopotamus: aye |
| 12:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: sure |
| 12:27.41 | flux | speedevil, possibly even: open shutter - capture image, beep, start capturing video until close shutter? |
| 12:28.00 | alterego | SpeedEvil: my first fcam app had no UI :) |
| 12:28.20 | flux | but how easy is it to fully override the builtin camera app? |
| 12:28.30 | flux | well, I suppose you could always replace the binary :-) |
| 12:28.43 | SpeedEvil | flux: possibly, yes |
| 12:28.55 | alterego | I'm sure there's a neater way. |
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| 12:29.02 | SpeedEvil | there is |
| 12:29.16 | SpeedEvil | you cannot change the signal camera-UI listens for |
| 12:29.19 | SpeedEvil | however |
| 12:29.21 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: address? |
| 12:29.24 | alterego | In fact, my "Camera" app seems to not open any more when the screen is on, only if the phone is in standby now .. |
| 12:29.45 | SpeedEvil | you can change - I forget how - the signal that the thing - hal? - monitoring the button emits |
| 12:29.50 | SpeedEvil | making the camera app not open |
| 12:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer "open shutter -> torch, press cam button ->switch to cam with GUI and take first shot." "press cam button ->arm stealth camery for duration <userdefined> ->open lens slider takes photo without beep but vibrator feedback" |
| 12:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: huh? |
| 12:30.39 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: sip add |
| 12:30.46 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: *address |
| 12:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | me@sipgate.de |
| 12:30.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: wanna take pictures of underage girls huh |
| 12:31.33 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: not found/404 :/ |
| 12:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: I'm not sporting a web nterface there |
| 12:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: honestly I dunno what you wanna do |
| 12:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | sipgate had extenal SIP dialin (aka users known to the wider internet for SIP, under a name@domain addr) but I think they closed it down. You can call me anytime via my landline number associated to that sipgate account |
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| 12:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: you also could call me via direct P2P SIP, if I gave you URL of this laptop and would care to open up the right ports on NAT again |
| 12:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: but then you'd need a SIP UA capable of direct P2P, and there are few I know of. Twinkle being one of them |
| 12:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | N900 SIP client obviously not |
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| 12:44.10 | smhar | docscrutinizer, webmailer? you mean web mail? the problem is that I have several accounts in several domains -mine- and I need to check them all, it would be very time consuming to log in to all of the individually |
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| 12:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: hmm I see |
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| 12:47.22 | smhar | docscrutinizer, I am not looking for some Push email, always on with notifications. I can do a 'check email' every now and then. |
| 12:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | probably best approach would be to run your own fetchmail on a box, and have it manage and aggregate all the mail accounts you have. Then interface to it from N900 by whatever you think meets your needs, there's a plethora of solutons for that under linux |
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| 12:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | from a mere ssh, to your own web mail interface |
| 12:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | plus, of course all the IMAP and POP3 and whatnot solutions |
| 12:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | and, as you're have full control over 'far end' you are free to tailer it to your needs |
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| 12:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: raster is online :-D Quite unusual for saturday evening |
| 12:53.09 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:53.26 | alterego | I think I've found a usable example of using XVideo in Qt |
| 12:53.51 | DOnJUiLiEm | DocScrutinizer, raster ? |
| 12:55.07 | red | smhar: why not create one additional mail account and forward copies of all the other accountts to that one |
| 12:55.15 | red | then use it on the n900 to read them all easily |
| 12:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | DOnJUiLiEm: google for rasterman |
| 12:55.42 | crashanddie | ~lame DOnJUiLiEm |
| 12:55.42 | infobot | DOnJUiLiEm is completely not lame. |
| 12:55.48 | crashanddie | wow |
| 12:55.55 | crashanddie | ~nickometer DOnJUiLiEm |
| 12:56.01 | crashanddie | ah, there you go. |
| 12:56.12 | DOnJUiLiEm | arf |
| 12:56.24 | smhar | red, I can do that, but what about when I need to reply to an email, I will have to login to the original email account to reply. |
| 12:56.52 | red | gmail atleast via web lets you choose which account to use as a sender |
| 12:57.07 | red | but then you need to auth gmail to pull the mail via pop3 or imap instead of forwarding |
| 12:57.21 | red | dunno if that choosing is possible on n900 |
| 12:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | rasterman.com |
| 12:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder... rnd() |
| 12:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~nickometer DOnJUiLiEm |
| 12:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | duh, no rnd() |
| 12:59.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: What's the status of bug 10951? |
| 12:59.46 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 SSL certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired |
| 13:00.04 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: weekend :-S |
| 13:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: EHLO btw |
| 13:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | long time no see |
| 13:00.44 | alterego | I thought that was unusual when it hit me last week ... |
| 13:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: search backscroll for CERT |
| 13:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | expired since some 16th of this month |
| 13:02.09 | alterego | Well, maybe the week before last then |
| 13:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900 claims it suggests there's no longer any use in reporting bugs |
| 13:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | sounds sensible |
| 13:03.56 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:04.02 | alterego | What about all our apps ... |
| 13:05.05 | alterego | Oh, this is even cooler .. |
| 13:05.13 | alterego | I found an example which uses OpenGL :) |
| 13:05.31 | alterego | So I can make a pretty 3D camera ui :) |
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| 13:07.54 | alterego | Got a really cool idea for my menu and stuff ... |
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| 13:09.22 | alterego | And by menu I mean toolbar .. |
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| 13:40.50 | smhar | red, I do not use gmail |
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| 13:47.32 | riddlebox | hey all I have reflashed my n810 and now when I added the extra repos my n810 doesnt install anything because of package dependencies? |
| 13:57.43 | alterego | Okay, got my OpenGL ES2 context, got the ability to overlay whatever I want, text, images etc on top of the GL canvas. |
| 13:57.49 | alterego | Now to add buttons. |
| 13:58.45 | alterego | Oh, and texture the canvas to show the input from the camera. |
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| 14:30.19 | Muelli | bugs.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 17.07.2010 01:59. >.< |
| 14:30.43 | GAN900 | Muelli, yeah, it's been reported. |
| 14:30.48 | frals | aka bug 10951 |
| 14:30.50 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 SSL certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired |
| 14:30.52 | GAN900 | No idea what progress is, though. |
| 14:31.45 | Muelli | can I make the jabber client use a local SOCKS proxy that I've spawned with SSH? |
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| 14:41.33 | Muelli | hm. maybe bug 6739 |
| 14:41.34 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 Cannot set Socks5 proxy in the Internet Connection Settings dialog |
| 14:41.56 | Muelli | but how could I found out the currently connected IAP? |
| 14:42.37 | SpeedEvil | Click the status area. It will show current internet connection. |
| 14:42.51 | SpeedEvil | Go to settings -> internet in app starter. |
| 14:43.02 | SpeedEvil | then you can inspect the connection details |
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| 14:45.55 | Muelli | SpeedEvil: eh. well. erm. thanks.. But I want to do that programatically of course |
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| 14:49.22 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:49.25 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 14:49.46 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember stuff in /etc/ip-up or something that gets called with interface name |
| 14:49.51 | Muelli | hm. there is /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/last_used_network in gconf but it's not what I think it is: I am currently connected to a network but the value is not that network. In fact, that value doesn't show up as IAP ID |
| 14:49.52 | SpeedEvil | I don't know how to extract current though |
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| 14:58.19 | alterego | wiki still f*cked? |
| 14:58.52 | GAN900 | maemo.org is losing pieces, it seems. |
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| 14:59.05 | alterego | Ah, just really slow it seems :/ |
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| 15:07.24 | dotblank | ever since ive installed fcamera-drivers my xserver is incredibly glitchy |
| 15:07.56 | dotblank | I don't have proof but im getting artifacts and it just seems and feels liek thats what caused it |
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| 15:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | /topic |
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| 15:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | hi dotblank |
| 15:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | mhm quite possible |
| 15:14.00 | dotblank | hmm im un-installing now |
| 15:14.20 | dotblank | I really did enjoy hdr capture |
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| 15:21.44 | alterego | dotblank: I'm having the same issue .. |
| 15:23.13 | dotblank | just removed it and it seems to be resolved |
| 15:23.59 | dotblank | Ah ha.. what a shot in the dark.. going with my gut to solve bugs! |
| 15:24.14 | dotblank | well not fix or solve but finding them :) |
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| 15:31.16 | alterego | dotblank: didn't actually occur to me it was fcam, I was just going to try and reboot |
| 15:32.18 | dotblank | yea I reboot and it got worse |
| 15:33.11 | alterego | Really, worse? Mine is doing it on pretty much ever transition |
| 15:33.53 | alterego | It's got a distinctive key color appearing though |
| 15:34.17 | dotblank | yea it started showing artifacts never redraws the screen properly |
| 15:34.38 | dotblank | I click a contact and "I have to guess where his call with skype button is |
| 15:34.39 | alterego | Oh, mine isn't that bad, seems to only happen when switching apps/transitions |
| 15:34.44 | dotblank | then I click it and it shows up |
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| 15:35.30 | dotblank | well it had some transition issues before the reboot then after it had about half the framerate |
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| 15:35.44 | dotblank | and a whole host of other issues |
| 15:36.07 | alterego | Actually, it seems to be for me a flashing green, in the middle of rotating from landscape to portrait .. |
| 15:36.21 | alterego | Interesting .. |
| 15:36.24 | dotblank | doesn't dot hat for me |
| 15:36.39 | alterego | Hrm |
| 15:36.48 | alterego | I'd say it's probably something to do with omapfb .. |
| 15:36.53 | dotblank | its all fixed tho |
| 15:36.58 | dotblank | after uninstalling |
| 15:37.06 | alterego | Yeah, but I'm writing an app based on fcam :P So I need it :) |
| 15:37.20 | dotblank | did get one hdr image off |
| 15:37.21 | dotblank | http://i.imgur.com/wxV1J.jpg |
| 15:37.41 | alterego | Nice pic :) |
| 15:37.57 | alterego | Yeah, I've been using HDR |
| 15:38.04 | dotblank | this is without hdr on normal camera app |
| 15:38.05 | dotblank | http://i.imgur.com/g59St.jpg |
| 15:38.06 | alterego | Amongst other things, just playing really. |
| 15:38.46 | alterego | Those are almost high enough quality to use as wall papers on my laptop, they're really good. |
| 15:38.53 | alterego | What did you use to convert them from dng? |
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| 15:39.10 | dotblank | I just used hdrcapture and the normal camera app |
| 15:39.26 | alterego | Oh, I was using fcam. |
| 15:39.36 | dotblank | it saved the composite hdr image as a jpeg |
| 15:39.48 | alterego | I'll have to try that one then :) |
| 15:40.21 | dotblank | The hdr one looks soo much better |
| 15:40.29 | alterego | Yeaj |
| 15:41.57 | dotblank | it shows you the the tree perfectly in front of the SUN that super bright object in the sky |
| 15:42.03 | dotblank | thats super crazy |
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| 15:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | hands award for exceptionally crappy webadministration/design to webmaster@wirelessmodemapi.com, for completely fsckd up registration&login process under konqueror |
| 15:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | you think you registered ut confirmation mail never arrives. Login will silently fail with no hint about what's up |
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| 15:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like faithfully following rules in "how to ruin a FOSS community" |
| 15:58.14 | smhar | anyone have a link on how to setup a development environment on debian to develop for N900 using qt and python? |
| 15:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ |
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| 16:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | >>> Itâs also important to set up an official web site which is down as often as itâs up. Itâs not enough to have no web site at all; in such situations, the community has an irritating habit of creating sites of its own. But a flaky site can forestall the creation of those sites, ensuring that information is hard to find.<<< :-P wiki.maemo.org? |
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| 16:05.00 | crashanddie | dotblank: you do realise that neither of those pictures are HDR |
| 16:05.40 | dotblank | crashanddie, well its a jpeg composite with 3 pictures taken at 3 different exposures |
| 16:05.49 | dotblank | so what ever that is |
| 16:06.06 | crashanddie | that's just multiple exposure. HDR is a picture quality, not a setting of some sort. |
| 16:06.24 | dotblank | Then why do they call it HDR? |
| 16:06.39 | crashanddie | this is HDR: http://www.flickr.com/photos/risus_in_silva/2570045172/ |
| 16:06.59 | crashanddie | Because they're marketing berks |
| 16:07.15 | dotblank | thats just really well done hdr |
| 16:07.17 | crashanddie | they stick a name on a feature that gives a lot of hits on Google so people who don't understand it will go "ooooooh" |
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| 16:08.05 | ShadowJK | what's "picture quality" then? |
| 16:08.14 | dotblank | High Dynamic Range. An HDR image aims to store pixel values that span the whole tonal range of real-world scenes. In order to create such an image several low dynamic range (ie ordinary digital photos) taken at differing exposure values are combined. |
| 16:08.34 | ShadowJK | now that flicr link is just hdr turned up to 11-Silly setting |
| 16:08.44 | dotblank | yea thats abused HDR |
| 16:09.20 | Kegetys | its a name for a method of merging multiple exposures to get a single exposure with a higher dynamic range than what is possible to capture with the camera using just one exposure... hardly has any "quality" requirement to it |
| 16:11.06 | ShadowJK | indeed |
| 16:11.15 | visz | kinda like audio compression for video, but almost quite entirely different |
| 16:12.02 | dotblank | it would be like having multiple microphones recording within different frequency ranges and compining them |
| 16:12.10 | dotblank | combining |
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| 16:13.27 | visz | i do dislike how those high quality hds images mostly have saturation turned to beyond candy |
| 16:13.33 | visz | hdr |
| 16:14.09 | Kegetys | they are just overdone |
| 16:14.48 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 16:15.18 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3618667767/ |
| 16:15.20 | SpeedEvil | for example |
| 16:15.30 | Kegetys | http://morris-photographics.com/photos/ChristChurchCathedralHDR.jpg that one is pretty good for example |
| 16:15.31 | SpeedEvil | Would be a really, really nice picture with a little hdr |
| 16:15.54 | visz | or some fill light |
| 16:16.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 16:16.08 | SpeedEvil | But I don't carry fill lights around outside. |
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| 16:18.28 | visz | you can always build a reflector out of branches and your white t-shirt |
| 16:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | kicks luke-jr for matchword "tonal" appearing in [2010-07-24 18:08:14] <dotblank> High Dynamic Range. An HDR image aims to store pixel values that span the whole tonal range of real-world scenes. In order to create such an image several low dynamic range (ie ordinary digital photos) taken at differing exposure values are combined. |
| 16:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 16:23.00 | smhar | anyone have a link on how to setup a development environment on debian to develop for N900 using qt and python? all the links I am see in google are about stuff related to pre PR1.2 |
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| 16:24.10 | alterego | smhar: read the documentation on maemo.org .. |
| 16:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I bet you'll find http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ highly interesting |
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| 16:36.01 | smhar | from the wiki and documentations, I reached the sdk site in nokia.com : http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html . but it is dated May 26th, so before 1.2 . is there an update to this? |
| 16:39.50 | FireFly | Hm |
| 16:39.51 | alterego | smhar: the SDK updates itself |
| 16:39.56 | alterego | with a couple of incantations. |
| 16:39.59 | alterego | It is debian after all .. |
| 16:40.49 | FireFly | Any hints on what API I want to interface with if I want to create a custom "file sharing" entry (in the file sharing menu for e.g. images)? |
| 16:41.05 | alterego | FireFly: sharing service plugin |
| 16:41.13 | FireFly | Okay |
| 16:41.20 | smhar | what is the difference between 'Nokia Qt SDK' and 'Maemo 5 SDK'? |
| 16:41.30 | FireFly | Hm |
| 16:41.32 | alterego | smhar: a lot |
| 16:41.34 | FireFly | Found it, thanks, alterego |
| 16:41.43 | alterego | smhar: can you read? There is plenty of documentation out there on both |
| 16:42.34 | smhar | I have no problem with reading :-) but what is the basic difference between them? |
| 16:43.17 | alterego | Basically, one allows you to develop in Qt using C++, the other lets you develop in anything the platform has to offer. |
| 16:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you remember the looking quite daft sync from GSM 20ms TX timeslice to audio interface, in that 8pp paper? Now I know where it stems from: 3.3. MODEM_AUDIO_SPC_TIMING_REQ in Wireless Modem API G2 V1 10w24.zip/i_modem_audio_m.html (http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ ISI papers) |
| 16:43.33 | alterego | But one is easier, the other is more complicated |
| 16:43.39 | alterego | Do some research. |
| 16:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it still feels daft to me, btw |
| 16:44.42 | Stskeeps | didnt i say there might be a reason for it? |
| 16:44.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: :-D Jury is still out on it, if that's a valid reason though |
| 16:45.52 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: blame moves up the chain, not pulse guys faults |
| 16:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | maybe after comping and swallowing all the ISI specs and 3GPP TS43.050 in the end you find the whole problem is moot |
| 16:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ack |
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| 16:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: without having any look to TS43.050 my guts feeling tells me it's daft to apply quality constraints wrt chain delay time jitter, that would excel a studio hifi recording equipment |
| 16:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | to a cellphone |
| 16:52.29 | kerio | why not? |
| 16:52.31 | kerio | >:D |
| 16:52.58 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no clue |
| 16:53.18 | alterego | nyargh |
| 16:53.31 | alterego | how hard can it be texturing a polygon in GLES2 :) |
| 16:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: these measures and means maybe were introduced to deal with situations where you have largely varying system parameters wrt audio processing delay, such as on a 20MHz CPU based cellphone that's really maxing out on trying to establish a echo cancellation for a "far away" speaker (10 meters so you get real large buffers to deal with the skew between speaker and mic). On a beefy device under normal conditions it may be absolutely |
| 16:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | irrelevant (in short this is meant to deal with 500ms, not with 5ms delay) |
| 16:58.12 | Stskeeps | nfi :P |
| 16:58.22 | derf | 10m is about 30ms. |
| 16:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | derf: yep, multiplay by 16000samples/s and then you get the idea what a 20MHz based FFT or whatever looks like and the time it takes for processing |
| 16:59.58 | kerio | depending on the meaning of "m", 10m is exactly 600000ms |
| 17:00.37 | th3hate | Can anyone tell me what command to restore default kernel? |
| 17:00.42 | th3hate | maemo wiki is down |
| 17:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | adds kerio to luke-jr autokick |
| 17:02.11 | SpeedEvil | ~flasher |
| 17:02.12 | infobot | flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 17:02.13 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 17:02.28 | SpeedEvil | Will your n900 not boot? have you been screwing with the kernel? |
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| 17:04.41 | Macer | jesus |
| 17:04.53 | Macer | it was like someone scooped up lake michigan |
| 17:05.02 | Macer | and poured it on us in chicago |
| 17:05.06 | Macer | all at once |
| 17:05.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: :( |
| 17:06.08 | kerio | oh crap i forgot to add & to my remaps |
| 17:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: |
| 17:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | If you don't have individual images, but want to flash just a part of the whole FIASCO image you can do so by running: |
| 17:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | .B flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=rootfs -R |
| 17:09.45 | th3hate | i meant this one apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher |
| 17:09.52 | th3hate | but thanks already restored |
| 17:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: replace =rootfs by =kernel |
| 17:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 17:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: got your pressuriced air bottles ready? |
| 17:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | drowned? |
| 17:14.15 | Macer | haha |
| 17:14.16 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you're the troll |
| 17:14.32 | Macer | it was a lot worse earlier |
| 17:14.53 | Macer | it stopped now... but in the early am i think i saw a ship floating down the street |
| 17:16.15 | SpeedEvil | passes Macer http://www.poseidon.com/products/discovery-mkvi |
| 17:17.40 | GAN900 | luke-jr, nou |
| 17:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | btw wrt scoop up lakes, I heard tornados trying to do exactly that sometimes |
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| 17:18.25 | Macer | wooooo |
| 17:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | when it starts raining fish or frogs, you know what's going on :-D |
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| 17:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: will you share those remaps eventually? |
| 17:22.50 | kerio | i don't think somebody actually cares |
| 17:22.57 | kerio | i mean, they're based on the it keyboard |
| 17:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure some do. |
| 17:23.18 | kerio | i already put my 4-button keypad for it on the maemo wiki |
| 17:23.26 | kerio | (moving a couple of characters) |
| 17:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's not about the actual kbd, it_IT or wwhatever. It's more about you seem to push the limits |
| 17:23.53 | kerio | huh |
| 17:24.05 | kerio | why? |
| 17:24.07 | kerio | :o |
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| 17:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | so a commented out mapping, with a note "doesn't work due to...." is worth a lot |
| 17:24.27 | trumee | i am unable to capture packets on usbo with tcpdump |
| 17:24.35 | trumee | tcpdump -n -w sip.pcap -s 1500 -i usb0 |
| 17:24.47 | trumee | gives 0 packets captured. |
| 17:25.07 | trumee | i do have usb networking fine. any idea how can i capture packets? |
| 17:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, wrong nterface I guess |
| 17:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | ifconfig will tell |
| 17:26.32 | trumee | ifconfig -a does list usb0 |
| 17:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | does it also report any resonable and *increasing* number of TX/RX bytes? |
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| 17:28.13 | trumee | 0 packets captured, 0 packets received by filter, -1095293916 packets dropped by kernel |
| 17:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 17:28.29 | trumee | It doesnt give any indication of TX/RX |
| 17:29.02 | trumee | so? |
| 17:29.38 | sandstorm | hello, I have a out of the box question if you want to help with apologizes, I wanted to sync my outlook express contacts(address book) to my N900 but the PC Suite only flushed mobile and work numbers ignoring fax and other numbers, what may I do for this? thanks alot. |
| 17:29.44 | trumee | luke-jr: ping |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr A8:7E:33:CD:F0:E3 |
| 17:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | sorry never used USB networking on N900, so no idea |
| 17:31.17 | SpeedEvil | tcpdump here borks the networking on wlan0 |
| 17:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | maybe wrong ABI? |
| 17:31.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i need to clean it up |
| 17:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | is it built for the current kernel you use? |
| 17:32.07 | trumee | SpeedEvil: yup i had that too. Funny thing was that i changed the firmware on the router from tomato to dd-wrt. after that tcpdump was happy. |
| 17:32.08 | kerio | as of now, it a ugly hack - changing the base layout and the it layout |
| 17:32.27 | Macer | SpeedEvil: haha |
| 17:32.34 | Macer | neat scuba gear there |
| 17:32.44 | Macer | it didnt say how long it lasts tho |
| 17:32.47 | thp | lcuk: is there code for the liqbase mouse concept already? |
| 17:32.55 | Macer | but i suspect rebreathers last a long time |
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| 17:34.26 | SpeedEvil | Macer: 3h |
| 17:37.15 | Macer | wow |
| 17:37.19 | Macer | not bad |
| 17:37.45 | Macer | how much is that thing? |
| 17:38.48 | SpeedEvil | IIRC $9000 |
| 17:39.00 | SpeedEvil | plus a mandatory maintainance contract |
| 17:39.05 | kerio | what, nine thousands? |
| 17:39.08 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 17:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | what's the CO2 absorber? |
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| 17:51.38 | SpeedEvil | lithium carbonate probably in some manner |
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| 17:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | uh, seems I need some wikireads. Never heard of |
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| 18:08.52 | PontusOhman | What's the problem when I can't connect to my N900:a from Ubuntu with booth SSH and Filezilla? The phone pings out :S |
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| 18:15.35 | GAN900 | wonders what's wrong with his MMS settings. . . . |
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| 18:27.33 | RST38h | http://i.imgur.com/DG48H.jpg |
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| 18:45.16 | trumee | luke-jr, ping |
| 18:45.23 | luke-jr | kerio: on a serious note, 1m = 1 me?tre; 1 [tonal] meter is abbreviated 1 M |
| 18:45.25 | luke-jr | err |
| 18:45.27 | luke-jr | trumee: ? |
| 18:45.44 | luke-jr | stabs input line |
| 18:46.11 | trumee | luke-jr, i connected N900 directly to the pbx server via usb networking. the voip call got miced again |
| 18:46.22 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 18:46.26 | trumee | luke-jr, so it is not an issue of wifi |
| 18:46.45 | luke-jr | switch? |
| 18:46.55 | luke-jr | would 3G come in another path? |
| 18:47.00 | trumee | luke-jr, something is screwed up in N900 or pbx |
| 18:47.06 | luke-jr | but 3G works... |
| 18:47.15 | trumee | luke-jr, yup 3g works |
| 18:47.49 | trumee | luke-jr, i am going to do an install of centos today with freeswitch |
| 18:47.59 | luke-jr | trumee: it can't be the PBX if 3G works... O.o |
| 18:48.16 | trumee | luke-jr, i dont know what the issue it |
| 18:48.43 | trumee | luke-jr, i am doing tests by calling my voicemail number on FS |
| 18:49.13 | trumee | luke-jr, if i use ATA it is perfect but with N900 it screws up |
| 18:49.37 | luke-jr | ATA over USB? :p |
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| 18:49.43 | trumee | i wanted to capture usb data with tcpdump but it didnt work |
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| 19:07.18 | panaggio | http://gist.github.com/488894 |
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| 19:07.40 | panaggio | Am I expecting ensure to work the wrong way or it is not working at it should? |
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| 20:09.40 | Guido-5 | im thinkin about getting an N900 here when i go into the military. i was wondering if anyone can give me any advice or suggestions |
| 20:10.40 | udntnome | Guido-5: why do you want it? |
| 20:10.52 | tybollt | Guido-5: get a zahh |
| 20:10.54 | tybollt | zagg |
| 20:11.22 | Guido-5 | for SHTF thingymabob and tool |
| 20:11.40 | luke-jr | SHTF??? |
| 20:11.44 | Guido-5 | i wanna get a solar charger and maybe and extra battery |
| 20:11.52 | Guido-5 | shit hits the fan |
| 20:12.07 | luke-jr | doesn't get it |
| 20:12.23 | Guido-5 | earth quakes |
| 20:12.26 | Guido-5 | world ending |
| 20:12.28 | udntnome | Guido-5: you a programmer? |
| 20:12.33 | Guido-5 | tornado |
| 20:12.42 | Guido-5 | hurricanes |
| 20:12.49 | Guido-5 | udntnome: no |
| 20:13.01 | luke-jr | if you're in an earthquake or tornado, put the N900 away :P |
| 20:13.16 | Guido-5 | why would i do that |
| 20:13.25 | udntnome | N900 is a bit rugged |
| 20:13.30 | udntnome | ive dropped it many times |
| 20:13.40 | luke-jr | at least until you get safe |
| 20:13.43 | Guido-5 | yeah it looks pretty beefy |
| 20:13.49 | luke-jr | maybe use the N900 as a flashlight if you need light :P |
| 20:13.52 | udntnome | use it as a bulletproof vest |
| 20:14.04 | Guido-5 | well im sure it hasa calculator |
| 20:14.06 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 20:14.15 | Guido-5 | it can store informatin on what to do and how to prepare things |
| 20:14.45 | Guido-5 | i can put videos on there of how to fix things |
| 20:15.20 | udntnome | i believe you can get a n900 for like 350 some places |
| 20:15.22 | Guido-5 | it wont just be for me. but also the people that are with me might need to know how to do things or repair things |
| 20:15.23 | GAN900 | Guido-5, what good does an N900 do for you then? |
| 20:15.24 | udntnome | its a good deal |
| 20:15.32 | GAN900 | Buy ammo or provisions instead. :P |
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| 20:16.10 | Guido-5 | GAN900: i might not be near home when SHTF |
| 20:16.21 | Guido-5 | so if i have that it would help out alot |
| 20:16.30 | Guido-5 | and it has GPS |
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| 20:16.58 | udntnome | where will you be taking this phone? |
| 20:17.26 | Guido-5 | it will be with me most of the time but when im out ona tour i wont have it with me |
| 20:17.40 | LiraNuna | what's the AVRCP version on the N900 is? |
| 20:17.43 | Guido-5 | but on my off time i will |
| 20:18.19 | LiraNuna | it doesn't seem to send song meta-data to my AVRCP 1.3 car stereo |
| 20:18.25 | Guido-5 | im just wondering if there is anything to watch out for in the unit |
| 20:18.35 | Guido-5 | like prone to hot weather |
| 20:18.39 | Guido-5 | or soemthing |
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| 20:18.55 | Guido-5 | or something that is super sensative |
| 20:19.30 | udntnome | Guido-5: i believe its like every other phone, but it does get hot doing lots of task and espically if you overclock it |
| 20:19.55 | Guido-5 | k |
| 20:20.09 | luke-jr | my N900 gets fairly hot when Gentoo is compiling stuff |
| 20:20.35 | Guido-5 | whats gentoo? |
| 20:21.00 | udntnome | crap linux distro |
| 20:21.09 | Guido-5 | heh |
| 20:21.33 | Guido-5 | uh oh is pavlov done with his experiment? |
| 20:22.04 | Guido-5 | how would you compare the N900 to a droid? |
| 20:22.16 | luke-jr | Guido-5: build-your-own-OS toolkit basically :P |
| 20:22.22 | luke-jr | it compiles everything from scratch |
| 20:22.52 | Guido-5 | what on earth would i be compiling? |
| 20:22.56 | luke-jr | supports Linux, BSD, maybe Mac still, but obviously in context of N900 just Linux-based stuff |
| 20:22.57 | udntnome | Guido-5: Driod and Maemo to different OS's |
| 20:23.04 | luke-jr | you wouldn't if you're just using stock stuff |
| 20:23.41 | LiraNuna | where can I see a list of supported profiles of the N900? |
| 20:24.03 | Guido-5 | so you can put any OS you want on a N900? |
| 20:25.50 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes guido5. |
| 20:26.05 | luke-jr | Guido-5: not just any OS, but to an extent |
| 20:26.06 | SpeedEvil | In practice, you'd need to convince someone to port VMS to it. |
| 20:26.25 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: and you'd need to reverse engineer all the closed stuff... |
| 20:26.28 | Guido-5 | no clue what VMS is |
| 20:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | Guido-5: you'll want to watch out for very weak USB connector. No good idea to drop the phone with cable plugged in |
| 20:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | Guido-5: also probably want silicon jacket and screen protector, and one or 2 spare batteries with desktop charger |
| 20:27.44 | Guido-5 | yeah thats what i was thinkin |
| 20:27.51 | udntnome | Guido-5: N900 is tended for programmer/hacking crawd who like to full around with the phone etc |
| 20:28.04 | udntnome | lot of the new phones have gps and play videos etc |
| 20:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | Guido-5: also the N900 is basically 'open', so even rain might be too much for it |
| 20:28.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: seriously? |
| 20:28.39 | Guido-5 | oh...im gonna geta a sealable case for it |
| 20:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | seriously |
| 20:28.49 | brik | mine has survived rain |
| 20:28.56 | luke-jr | wow |
| 20:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | when water starts running down between screen and keyborad, you fet a watercooled CPU XP |
| 20:29.37 | brik | not a lot of rain tho, have to take care of my baby <3 |
| 20:29.38 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 20:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | get* |
| 20:30.37 | GAN900 | Guido-5, Otterbox has a product. |
| 20:30.44 | SpeedEvil | When closed, it is perhaps 'splashproof' |
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| 20:37.36 | Yoann512 | hi |
| 20:37.59 | Yoann512 | is there a way to start x terminal directly with bash |
| 20:38.05 | Yoann512 | (on N900) |
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| 20:38.55 | LiraNuna | Yoann512, set it as user's shell |
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| 20:39.43 | SpeedEvil | Setting bas hs users shell bootlops the phone I believe |
| 20:40.05 | Yoann512 | you mean, in /etc/passwd ? |
| 20:40.09 | Yoann512 | i already did that |
| 20:40.14 | Yoann512 | it start bash |
| 20:40.21 | Yoann512 | but dont load my ~/.bashrc |
| 20:40.48 | Yoann512 | i need to retype "/bin/bash" and then its ok |
| 20:41.12 | LiraNuna | <SpeedEvil> Setting bas hs users shell bootlops the phone I believe |
| 20:41.15 | LiraNuna | why? |
| 20:41.31 | LiraNuna | or rather, how? |
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| 20:43.44 | SpeedEvil | Simply as the X startup scripts - run as user - must have some ashisms |
| 20:43.50 | SpeedEvil | which don't work on bash |
| 20:44.07 | LiraNuna | "must have some ashisms" |
| 20:44.13 | SpeedEvil | At least people have reported that it bootloops the device. |
| 20:44.33 | LiraNuna | as in "it probably has ashisms" or "it MUST have ashisms to function properly" |
| 20:44.50 | SpeedEvil | Have syntax that is specific to the ash shell in busybox that don't work on bash |
| 20:45.18 | LiraNuna | so, it's potentially fixable, correct? |
| 20:48.05 | famicom | ok, just to stir up the beehive a bit, meamo is a lot more like a purpose built linux distro, rather than a locked in firmware kind of thing like windows mobile/iOS |
| 20:48.14 | famicom | or am i dead wrong? |
| 20:48.49 | SpeedEvil | fixable, yes. |
| 20:48.55 | SpeedEvil | famicom: yes |
| 20:49.26 | famicom | eh, did you answer the first or the second question :P |
| 20:49.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:50.07 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 20:50.32 | SpeedEvil | yes to liranimas - it's potentially fixable, yes to your question about it being a distro |
| 20:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | if you're not bootlooping on user's shell set to bash in passwd, then that's just because it doesn't suffice, you also need bash in /etc/shells to allow it for user's defualt shell - then happy reflashing |
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| 20:52.29 | luke-jr | famicom: it's not locked in firmware, but it's not completely open either |
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| 20:52.56 | luke-jr | and rather than "purpose built", I would suggest "usage built" |
| 20:53.13 | luke-jr | it's designed for finger-touch use, but not so much a specific purpose |
| 20:53.17 | udntnome | also you don't have to worry about nokia removing installed software on your phone without you knowing it :P |
| 20:53.27 | luke-jr | udntnome: no? can't be sure |
| 20:53.33 | luke-jr | udntnome: quite possible some blob gives them root |
| 20:53.54 | famicom | is it possible to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade through ssh :P |
| 20:53.59 | luke-jr | they just SMS you a magic code and their proprietary phone stack sends them control ;) |
| 20:54.05 | luke-jr | famicom: yes |
| 20:54.48 | famicom | If i do rm -RF /* what will happen |
| 20:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | you win the internets |
| 20:55.44 | famicom | ghehehe |
| 20:55.47 | famicom | but in all seriousness |
| 20:56.49 | famicom | i gotta renew my cellphone plan in a few days, and i'm looking for a new phone. Up untill now i've used Windows Mobile, which is just plain godawful |
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| 20:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | in all seriousness I doubt RF are the options you meant, and /* will shellexpand to a list of dirs and files that get removed as the builtin last resort catch to stop you from rm -rf / will not help on a list of objects, I guess |
| 20:58.11 | famicom | yeah, you're right |
| 20:58.35 | LiraNuna | how can I see what profiles my N900 supports from a Linux computer? |
| 20:58.48 | famicom | yeah, but more in the sense of, am i deal with ROM or an actual read/write FS |
| 20:58.53 | LiraNuna | hcitool info lists capabilities of the HW, not software stack |
| 20:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not eager to verify-test it here for your convenience |
| 20:59.52 | famicom | anyway, i've had crap like pushmail on my phone, but it only works with exchange, which is a pisspoor excuse of an MTA |
| 21:00.19 | famicom | or crap like activesync, etc etc etc |
| 21:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: you might want to study http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles |
| 21:00.41 | famicom | i wnat something that will play nice with my linux netbooks and linux based servers |
| 21:00.50 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, already was there |
| 21:01.03 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, I want to see a version of an already "supported" profile |
| 21:01.05 | famicom | even if it means having to do some serious bash-fu |
| 21:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: sorry, no idea |
| 21:01.31 | LiraNuna | no problem |
| 21:01.55 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, what version of AVRCP N900 has? |
| 21:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
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| 21:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't aware it has at all |
| 21:03.14 | LiraNuna | as a part of A2DP |
| 21:03.35 | LiraNuna | A2DP relies on it |
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| 21:04.44 | LiraNuna | there we go, sdptool browse |
| 21:05.35 | LiraNuna | Service Name: AVRCP TG |
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| 21:13.09 | ShadowJK | LiraNuna, sdptool browse |
| 21:13.21 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 21:13.23 | LiraNuna | :P |
| 21:13.24 | ShadowJK | you discovered |
| 21:13.36 | LiraNuna | well, it doesn't tell me version, just what profil |
| 21:13.52 | LiraNuna | I'm guessing 1.0 as my car stereo can't get the currently playing song name |
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| 21:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | that could be player app fault though, no? |
| 21:18.12 | LiraNuna | on what side? car stereo or N900's Media Player |
| 21:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | errr, would you use A"DP to scp media to your car audio's player? |
| 21:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | aiui your car audio is a giant headset in this scenario |
| 21:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | so no player involved on car side |
| 21:21.57 | ShadowJK | Well A2DP+AVRCP is on the same level of complexity as a media player :-) |
| 21:26.50 | LiraNuna | it would be splendid to get 1.3 working, 1.0 is working great |
| 21:26.58 | LiraNuna | and even pressing play starts the media player |
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| 21:48.15 | LiraNuna | yep, |
| 21:48.22 | LiraNuna | Profile Descriptor List: "AV Remote" (0x110e) Version: 0x0100 |
| 21:48.25 | LiraNuna | version 1.0 :( |
| 21:49.12 | microlith | stares at his N900 with suspicion |
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| 22:40.03 | AlMehdi | Does someone here understand how to repartition? I got stuck on the PR1.2 way of repartitioning.. the old way from the wiki doesn't work. |
| 22:46.00 | AlMehdi | I want to increase the /home partiton. I got the partition table finished.. I am just little unsure of the procedure. |
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| 22:52.31 | cehteh | mhm how can one run out of space on /home ? install all possible apps? |
| 22:54.43 | AlMehdi | When i made my backup it was 4 gig |
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| 22:56.35 | cehteh | default is 2gig |
| 22:56.54 | AlMehdi | I know.. thus i want to repartition again |
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| 22:57.50 | AlMehdi | Don't need vfat so much.. just for camera |
| 22:58.08 | cehteh | i only changed mydocs and mmc1 .. home should be doable but i didnt read the wiki page just be creative :) .. the problem is that you have to shutdown anythnig which has files open there to be able to repartition |
| 22:58.25 | cehteh | i have ext4 .. for camera too |
| 22:58.39 | AlMehdi | ohhh :) |
| 22:58.46 | AlMehdi | is that possible? |
| 22:58.53 | FIQ|n900 | hi |
| 22:58.56 | AlMehdi | would love ext4 |
| 22:59.02 | cehteh | yes .. but well .. if you dont know how then better dont try |
| 22:59.47 | cehteh | and you dont need to repartition or change /home .. the MyDocs is mounted inside there |
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| 23:00.38 | FIQ|n900 | the UI only let's me to format my SD card to VFAT, i would prefer having it as ext3. Trying to umount it success, but mkfs.ext3 still think it's mounted. Checking in file manager actually shows the card, but the size info doesn't make sense. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:01.07 | AlMehdi | i know |
| 23:01.11 | cehteh | the worse you cant just reformat you have to change a lot stuff |
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| 23:01.35 | AlMehdi | damn.. it was so easy last time :( |
| 23:01.41 | Macer | does nokia allow the nit-droid guys access to the same blobs that meego is getting? |
| 23:01.44 | cehteh | because the nokia scripts mount the first found ext3 as /home and the first found vfat as MyDocs |
| 23:02.06 | Macer | meaning. can they use the linux hal of android and just kind of plug the blobs into it to get the hardware working? or does nokia discourage that? |
| 23:02.12 | cehteh | you have to deal with this scripts .. fixing them, or just disabling them and write your own mount stuff |
| 23:02.15 | FIQ|n900 | (the file info shows that the card size is 227MB, 177MB used, 50MB free while "ls -l" in /media shows a "mmc1" that's 160B) |
| 23:02.32 | FIQ|n900 | while the card actually is 16GB |
| 23:02.44 | cehteh | Macer: the n900 kernel is untainted ... anyone who has a n900 has the license to use this blobs |
| 23:03.07 | FIQ|n900 | The problem goes away if i remount it, but why this behaviour? |
| 23:04.44 | AlMehdi | that is how i got the table setup.. first vfat then ext3 and last swap. But when i rebooted i got into a reboot loop |
| 23:05.02 | cehteh | yes you have to fix the scripts |
| 23:05.17 | cehteh | its not the usual mount -a mounting anything from fstab |
| 23:05.31 | AlMehdi | if i flash the PR1.1 would i get the PR1.2 OTA? |
| 23:05.32 | cehteh | this sux a bit you have to figure that stuff out |
| 23:05.43 | cehteh | why dont you flash 1.2? |
| 23:05.48 | kerio | famicom: the system is fully read-write, no ROMs here |
| 23:06.07 | kerio | expect a sometimes quirky and inconsistant UI, pretty much like linux on desktop |
| 23:06.10 | AlMehdi | i have.. but last time i partitioned i had PR1.1.. |
| 23:06.12 | kerio | apart from that, it's great |
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| 23:06.16 | famicom | kerio thanks |
| 23:06.40 | cehteh | huh .. flashed the wrong image? |
| 23:06.40 | AlMehdi | Now with PR1.2 the reboot loop comes with the same precedure |
| 23:06.41 | famicom | and it can't be any worse than windows mobile |
| 23:07.04 | luke-jr | AlMehdi: as far as repartitioning, I just changed sizes and positions, and left the partition table numbered the same |
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| 23:07.22 | cehteh | you need to flash emmc too when you fucked up the partitioning of the emmc of ocurse |
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| 23:07.36 | cehteh | and you loose all your date .. if you dont have already :P |
| 23:08.13 | cehteh | luke-jr: if the nokia scripts wouldnt be that stupid only |
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| 23:08.50 | luke-jr | cehteh: ? |
| 23:08.53 | luke-jr | cehteh: it worked fine for me |
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| 23:09.13 | cehteh | when you change the filesystem type its fucked up |
| 23:09.21 | cehteh | just repartitioning may work ... |
| 23:09.24 | luke-jr | I didn't :p |
| 23:09.27 | cehteh | :) |
| 23:09.40 | luke-jr | I left the existing partition table alone, except for sizes and positions |
| 23:09.53 | luke-jr | after I changed those, I just tacked on my own at the end :P |
| 23:11.53 | trumee | luke-jr: i have tested with centos and freeswitch, the results were similar to gentoo. crap sip performance. |
| 23:12.07 | luke-jr | told you XD |
| 23:12.10 | AlMehdi | luke-jr: so you just "sfdisk -d /dev/mmcblk0 > table", edited the table and then "sfdisk --no-reread /dev/mmcblk0 < table" |
| 23:12.15 | trumee | luke-jr: also, i was wrong about 3g, i get poor performance with 3g too |
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| 23:12.44 | luke-jr | AlMehdi: basically |
| 23:12.47 | trumee | luke-jr: so i think it might be that N900 is at fault |
| 23:12.51 | luke-jr | trumee: oh, that changes everything |
| 23:13.00 | luke-jr | trumee: no, N900 works fine for me |
| 23:13.05 | AlMehdi | hmm.. that is what i do. But when i reboot it gets into a loop |
| 23:13.15 | kerio | famicom: i mean, you can install and boot fremantle (maemo 5) from a microsd |
| 23:13.16 | luke-jr | trumee: this new development with 3G means it's your Asterisk/FreeSWITCH config or system |
| 23:13.18 | kerio | or meego |
| 23:13.20 | kerio | or android |
| 23:13.50 | trumee | luke-jr: i have virgin install of centos and freeswitch |
| 23:14.12 | trumee | luke-jr: it works flawless with Linksys ATA. |
| 23:14.45 | trumee | luke-jr: i will wander on the street where i have a better 3g signal to test again |
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| 23:15.21 | trumee | i want to do a tcpdump over usb0 but it gives an error |
| 23:17.02 | trumee | luke-jr: do you use your own pbx? |
| 23:17.54 | luke-jr | trumee: yes |
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| 23:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | SIP isn't easy to debug THAT way. Maybe ATA using G711a codec while N900 for sure using something much more complex and lower bandwidth |
| 23:23.51 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i made sure both ATA and N900 use PCMU codec |
| 23:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | so why don't you simply dissect and analyze network traffic on your PBX freeswitch (whatever that is), using e.g wireshark? (strongly recommend) |
| 23:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | then you'll see whatever the diffs are between ATA and N900 |
| 23:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | no matter if it's packet loss, jitter, or diferent session negotiation, wireshark will show you |
| 23:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | once you know where the diffs are, you probably got a decent clue about how to tackle it |
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| 23:32.58 | trumee | luke-jr: i have the same shitty experience over usb. |
| 23:33.28 | smhar | I want to learn to develop in qt for N900, and maybe python too, which one should I install and use: qt sdk or maemo sdk? |
| 23:33.32 | trumee | luke-jr: i want to capture a trace and update bug report #10388. |
| 23:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | fine! so what now? |
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| 23:34.10 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: sorry missed you posts |
| 23:34.27 | Jartza | smhar: qt sdk is easier to install at least |
| 23:34.42 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i should run wireshark on PBX rather than N900? |
| 23:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure, why not? |
| 23:35.11 | trumee | that is a good thought. |
| 23:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, only there you can compare ATA to N900, no? |
| 23:35.25 | smhar | I have debian so I think thing the other will be too difficult? what other difference other than ease of installation? |
| 23:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | also you say on N900 you can't even get tcpdump to work |
| 23:36.29 | trumee | i cannot use tcpdump for usb0, it works fine for wlan0 |
| 23:37.15 | smhar | I am googling this but can not seem to find a comparison between the two SDKs |
| 23:37.55 | luke-jr | smhar: Maemo SDK probably has cross-compiler etc |
| 23:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: none of both is suitable for python aiui |
| 23:38.59 | Jartza | smhar: maemo sdk utilises scratchbox and is more complete maemo-distribution, but requires more components to be installed |
| 23:39.36 | Jartza | smhar: and qt sdk provides a simulator which just simulated maemo look'n'feel |
| 23:39.49 | Jartza | of course I'm just simplifying |
| 23:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | still is not the right environment for pyQt |
| 23:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | none of both |
| 23:40.34 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: tcpdump on PBX will reflect jitter on N900? |
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| 23:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: check out this fine tutorial: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/eventsandsignals/ |
| 23:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | ooops http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4 |
| 23:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: if your PBX gets jittery signal from UA then you'll see when tracing traffic with wireshark |
| 23:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: if the signal arriving at PBX has no jitter, then where's the problem? |
| 23:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | aiui your issues are 'upstream', means far end has bad sound |
| 23:43.14 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: No i am simply calling to the voicemail of the PBX. |
| 23:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | if N900 has bad sound, then probably tracing traffic on sender side PBX won't reveal jitter problems of the line to N900 |
| 23:43.40 | smhar | docscrutinizer, thanks |
| 23:43.45 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: he's tried multiple lines |
| 23:44.03 | luke-jr | including USBnet directly N900 to PBX |
| 23:44.05 | smhar | Jartza, so If I use the maemo sdk I will get no simulator? |
| 23:44.12 | luke-jr | and also including my known-good N900 over the internet |
| 23:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mhm, and what was the jitter on each of them, what was the packet loss, whicg details had SDP? |
| 23:45.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: pretty sure no packet loss from here |
| 23:45.14 | luke-jr | at least none MTR is picking up |
| 23:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, go on swapping random parts and jumping clockwise or counter.. on one feet until you think you spotted the problem |
| 23:45.31 | Jartza | smhar: using maemo sdk you're using real X server (xephyr for instance) and real application framework |
| 23:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 23:46.00 | Jartza | smhar: that's also kind of simulator, but "more real" :) |
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| 23:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | and real C |
| 23:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | and no pyQt |
| 23:46.33 | smhar | Jartza, sound like the maemo sdk wins |
| 23:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | well you *could* |
| 23:46.52 | smhar | docscrutinizer, c or qt which is c++? |
| 23:47.19 | smhar | docscrutinizer, well I think for python I will use something else |
| 23:47.32 | Jartza | I personally like maemo sdk more, but it's just that I'm more of a command-line-guy :) |
| 23:48.05 | smhar | Jartza, so maemo sdk is more command-line and qt sdk is more gui? |
| 23:48.25 | Jartza | maemo sdk doesn't include an ide |
| 23:48.48 | smhar | docscrutinizer, can you suggest a pyqt platform? |
| 23:49.03 | Jartza | you can use ide if you wish, but you have to install it separately |
| 23:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | pyqt runs in any shell |
| 23:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | just start the "sorce"-file, like bash script |
| 23:49.31 | Jartza | at least eclipse is possible |
| 23:49.37 | smhar | Jartza, so how do you develop? use qt designer and qt creator ? |
| 23:49.58 | Jartza | I use gedit and command-line :) |
| 23:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | won't work with python, but meh |
| 23:50.35 | Jartza | and sometimes designer too to create at least a base to work on |
| 23:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | qt designer is creating pseudo c++ code sniplets |
| 23:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | really hard to integrate with python |
| 23:51.04 | smhar | docscrutinizer, I already installed pygtkeditor in N900, and I have drpython on my debian |
| 23:51.05 | Jartza | designer creates xml |
| 23:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: ok, maybe it's qmake then |
| 23:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | that transforms them to c++ |
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| 23:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware of a way to transform to python though |
| 23:52.54 | Jartza | nope |
| 23:52.58 | Jartza | it's uic |
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| 23:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 23:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | now I remember |
| 23:53.21 | Jartza | and for python you have pyuic4 |
| 23:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | duh! |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | neat |
| 23:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 23:53.49 | Jartza | I don,t think it's any harder than with C++ :) |
| 23:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | Jartza: thanks for educating me :-) |
| 23:54.11 | Lanta | hey totally off topic question :) if someone was to use the phrase "9 root 2" they're basically saying the square root of 9 right? |
| 23:54.31 | smhar | leave python for now and let us see how to do the qt part. so with maemo sdk, I need to rely on other 'command-line' tools to create the actual code then simulate on the host computer then compile and transfer. is this correct? what about the qt sdk? |
| 23:54.54 | Jartza | http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Creating_GUI_Applications_with_PyQt_and_Qt_Designer |
| 23:55.56 | Jartza | smhar: with maemo sdk you create usually 2 "targets" for sscratchbox |
| 23:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: Qt isn't creating programs, it's just to create objects (mostly gfx obj) for you, and you need a *real* prog language to use them. This can be either Python or C++ |
| 23:56.11 | Jartza | one for x86 and one for arm |
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| 23:56.53 | Jartza | when you run the apps on your pc you compile and run and debug them in x86 target |
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| 23:57.23 | Jartza | and when you finally want to compile the app to n900 you switch to arm target (and cross-compiler) |
| 23:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | moot for python |
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| 23:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | as python isn't exactly compiled |
| 23:57.59 | smhar | docscrutinizer, Jartza, I only have experience with Visual Basic, Delphi -Object Pascal- and little php, so forgive my ignorance and newbieism |
| 23:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | (leave alone JIT-compiler) |
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| 23:59.17 | timeless | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/9_root_2_add_5_root_3 |
| 23:59.19 | Jartza | smhar: that's ok :) |
| 23:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, with VB you have a good example. Qt is the windows designer in VB, and you still need some real language you write the code in and that can be Python or C++ (or a lot of others) for Qt, and for VB it's VB sourcecode |
