| 00:00.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's wrong with 1904??? My granpa is born 1904 |
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| 00:01.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | qtmindreader is still wip |
| 00:04.29 | Lynoure | Khertan: Yup, made one, I think it's pretty usable. But the dependencies are wrong for new PR1.2 installs, and I should repackage, but I'm on a trip now, without all that much network access (ref. todo app) |
| 00:04.43 | ieatlint | mortini: yeah, i had to do if( date.year() < 1950 ) date = date.addYears( 100 ); |
| 00:05.27 | ieatlint | and my grandpa was born in the 1870s, 1904 is too recent |
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| 00:10.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, so if you're around 45 now= it's time to get a child like your pa and grandpa did when they were 45 |
| 00:10.58 | ieatlint | i a few years shy of 45 |
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| 00:12.20 | Venemo | If you like my Sticky Notes app, vote for it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=760304 |
| 00:14.44 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: 45 is grandfather age |
| 00:14.57 | luke-jr | if you don't have a child yet, you're too late |
| 00:14.58 | luke-jr | :p |
| 00:17.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | when ieatlint's grandpa became grandpa with 40, then ieatlint is at least 80 |
| 00:20.24 | luke-jr | yeah, someone born in 1870 should have great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren by now |
| 00:21.41 | ieatlint | yeah, well, my family is weird.. |
| 00:21.47 | ieatlint | i' |
| 00:21.50 | ieatlint | m under 30 |
| 00:22.01 | luke-jr | so almost out of time :p |
| 00:22.08 | luke-jr | oh, under |
| 00:22.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | given a 1 child policy |
| 00:23.21 | luke-jr | is absolutely evil |
| 00:24.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm this 2G setting doesn't work too well in poor reception areas |
| 00:25.11 | luke-jr | wonders how patient to be with his GPS app |
| 00:25.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly missed a few bits |
| 00:25.28 | luke-jr | I wrote another simple script to theoretically setup phonet0 |
| 00:26.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway heading home... |
| 00:26.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: did my GPS app ever work for you? |
| 00:28.13 | kerio | i'm still bummed that i can only get about 4 hours of usage with 3g data |
| 00:28.24 | kerio | in a zone with poor reception |
| 00:28.33 | kerio | ._. |
| 00:28.57 | luke-jr | kerio: oh, is that why my battery life sucks? |
| 00:29.18 | kerio | poor reception kills the battery |
| 00:29.21 | kerio | afaik |
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| 00:29.36 | kerio | i mean, really poor |
| 00:30.31 | kerio | either that or it's yet another battery-draining bug |
| 00:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: never heard of |
| 00:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | plus a few reposts... |
| 00:32.57 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps |
| 00:33.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, so if you're around 45 now= it's time to get a child like your pa and grandpa did when they were 45 |
| 00:33.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | but wait... around 1915 it wasn't usual to get childs when you're 47, so meke the 55 wrt your age. Still possible |
| 00:33.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | at least I hope so, for you |
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| 00:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew, ***elf**********@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 00:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | well I'll try `exec http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps` in bash :-P |
| 00:35.28 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: append .c if you want to try building it |
| 00:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | man: can't chdir to http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code: No such file or directory |
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| 00:37.53 | luke-jr | lrn2wget |
| 00:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 00:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | lrn2laugh |
| 00:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | ponders idly to `chdir /usr/local/bin && wget http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps` |
| 00:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# wget --help |
| 00:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | -sh: wget: not found |
| 00:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | blah |
| 00:41.02 | luke-jr | curl -O ? |
| 00:41.55 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 00:42.04 | luke-jr | 22 minutes, should I give up waiting for a fix? |
| 00:42.09 | luke-jr | what's the max GPS fix time again? |
| 00:42.18 | SpeedEvil | 12.5 min or so |
| 00:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | 12.5 |
| 00:42.24 | SpeedEvil | maybe 13 |
| 00:42.25 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 00:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | or 25 if you missed last packet |
| 00:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | yaaaaaaaaaawns |
| 00:44.22 | SpeedEvil | eats pasta salad. |
| 00:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | yummy |
| 00:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | ohmy that yawning... |
| 01:18.52 | luke-jr | yay |
| 01:19.03 | luke-jr | I got GPS readings without booting Maemo first |
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| 01:21.20 | wall[3] | hi, how do I play some audio while calling? |
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| 01:22.33 | wall[3] | like a prerecord that make it like i am in a meeting or something. |
| 01:24.42 | wall[3] | or piano background shopping musics |
| 01:25.21 | wall[3] | something to do with pulseaudio? |
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| 01:29.47 | wall[3] | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43852 |
| 01:29.50 | wall[3] | found the thread |
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| 02:17.15 | luke-jr | so anyone want to try my cellmo boot thing? |
| 02:17.28 | luke-jr | comments probably include private SIM crap, so binary-only for now.. |
| 02:17.50 | luke-jr | you'll need a non-Maemo OS that doesn't touch phonet to test |
| 02:18.16 | luke-jr | combined with my (open source) gps app, it can dump GPS info |
| 02:18.23 | luke-jr | at least for me... |
| 02:21.13 | SpeedEvil | cellmmo boot thing? |
| 02:21.41 | SpeedEvil | Would it work without |
| 02:21.46 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:21.55 | SpeedEvil | work withotu SIM |
| 02:26.06 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: good question :) |
| 02:26.10 | luke-jr | want to try it? |
| 02:26.35 | luke-jr | do note that even with a SIM, I haven't managed to get either data or voice ;) |
| 02:26.36 | SpeedEvil | Would not going to offline mode, and killine phonet work? |
| 02:26.54 | luke-jr | no, I don't think there's any way to stop phonet completely without a reboot |
| 02:26.59 | luke-jr | you might be able to by removing the module |
| 02:27.14 | luke-jr | ssi_mcsaab_imp |
| 02:27.42 | luke-jr | note you'd be killing sscd |
| 02:27.53 | luke-jr | not sure if there's any other long-running processes in Maemo |
| 02:28.08 | SpeedEvil | removing that module worked |
| 02:28.14 | SpeedEvil | phonet module stil there |
| 02:28.57 | SpeedEvil | stop sscd seems to work |
| 02:29.17 | SpeedEvil | Would phonet need to be removed? |
| 02:30.24 | luke-jr | dunno |
| 02:30.36 | luke-jr | impossible w/o killing USB net, so I couldn't try |
| 02:32.47 | SpeedEvil | killall sscd I get 'telephony error... ' banner |
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| 02:33.03 | SpeedEvil | on wlan |
| 02:33.25 | SpeedEvil | doh |
| 02:33.39 | SpeedEvil | offline mode doesn't help so much logged in on wlan |
| 02:34.12 | luke-jr | XD |
| 02:34.51 | SpeedEvil | is phonet the backend module, that talks to users, or is it the core module that talks to hardware? |
| 02:35.23 | luke-jr | it's the network layer that communicates with the phone CPU |
| 02:37.07 | SpeedEvil | ah - rmmod -f phonet works |
| 02:37.14 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:37.20 | SpeedEvil | ... ? |
| 02:37.26 | luke-jr | until it crashes |
| 02:37.57 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:37.59 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:38.09 | luke-jr | rmmod -f is usually always a bad idea |
| 02:38.47 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 02:38.55 | SpeedEvil | but it was working till the dog bit. |
| 02:41.17 | SpeedEvil | anyway - what's the app/where |
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| 02:45.41 | SpeedEvil | pig |
| 02:45.43 | SpeedEvil | sigh |
| 02:45.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:52.21 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: sorryt |
| 02:53.00 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/initcellmo |
| 02:54.07 | SpeedEvil | this does what? Basically pokes the cellmo with an init packet? |
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| 03:01.56 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: a bunch of various init packets |
| 03:04.12 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: test with my gps app |
| 03:04.16 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps |
| 03:05.29 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 03:05.31 | ham5 | nice resume luke |
| 03:05.33 | pronto | dont!!! it's a trap! DD; |
| 03:05.35 | SpeedEvil | ok - I'll probably do tomorroa |
| 03:05.37 | SpeedEvil | w |
| 03:11.27 | luke-jr | ham5: ... |
| 03:15.00 | ham5 | why make it as public as it is... |
| 03:19.42 | SpeedEvil | err - what? |
| 03:22.06 | luke-jr | ham5: why not? |
| 03:22.13 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: he went browsing my site :P |
| 03:23.25 | Dassu | :) |
| 03:25.09 | ham5 | surfs up dood |
| 03:26.58 | luke-jr | btw, even if I released the source to initcellmo, it wouldn't be free software cuz it's all basically blob strings I don't understand :) |
| 03:27.10 | luke-jr | more or less took the strace output and made it compileable |
| 03:27.19 | luke-jr | and replaced recv* with sleep :p |
| 03:27.37 | SpeedEvil | wishes that xrandr -o 32 worked |
| 03:27.48 | SpeedEvil | (on his laptop) |
| 03:28.09 | luke-jr | ... |
| 03:28.14 | luke-jr | but that's not a valid option -.- |
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| 03:29.17 | SpeedEvil | I mean so that it fitted the largest rectangle possible into the screen, at that angle, and presented it as the display |
| 03:29.33 | luke-jr | ... |
| 03:29.42 | luke-jr | report a bug! |
| 03:29.53 | luke-jr | xrandr needs rotations other than multiples of 90 degrees! |
| 03:30.25 | SpeedEvil | Also - incidentally - non rectangular windows. |
| 03:31.34 | luke-jr | X supports those |
| 03:31.39 | luke-jr | maybe not GTK or Qt... |
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| 04:02.25 | wall[3] | i think qt use 3d matrices for their view |
| 04:02.50 | wall[3] | and cairo shouldn't have problem displaying rotated text |
| 04:03.50 | wall[3] | uikit don't afaict |
| 04:04.01 | wall[3] | while appkit does that quite fine. |
| 04:04.17 | wall[3] | (2d matrices though) |
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| 04:48.12 | luke-jr | FWIW, just confirmed KDE is lighter than Maemo5 <.< |
| 04:48.14 | luke-jr | on memory |
| 04:48.53 | ham5 | kde have a mobil version? |
| 04:51.14 | Stskeeps | urgh |
| 04:51.18 | Stskeeps | needs coffee |
| 04:53.20 | RST38h | good moorning Sts |
| 04:53.22 | RST38h | off to work |
| 04:53.57 | luke-jr | ham5: Gentoo run on N900 :p |
| 04:54.07 | luke-jr | ham5: full KDE! |
| 04:54.25 | ham5 | mmm sounds like a pita |
| 04:56.22 | luke-jr | it is! |
| 04:56.51 | luke-jr | and I bet that memory thing changes the moment I fire up KMail |
| 04:57.01 | luke-jr | especially now that KDE requires MySQL for it |
| 04:57.53 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: doesn't MeeGo have plans to rewrite the WM in Qt4? |
| 04:57.54 | wall[3] | may be running it somewhere else? |
| 04:58.04 | luke-jr | wall[3]: not allowed! :P |
| 04:58.04 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: there's something called mcompositor |
| 04:58.12 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: which is GTK AFAIK? |
| 04:58.23 | Stskeeps | no |
| 04:58.24 | Stskeeps | qt |
| 04:58.27 | luke-jr | o |
| 04:58.33 | luke-jr | great |
| 04:58.36 | luke-jr | now I just need a sane mail client |
| 04:58.38 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 04:58.42 | asj | how are you calculating memory use exactly? |
| 04:58.47 | luke-jr | asj: swap usage |
| 04:58.53 | asj | luke-jr: lol |
| 04:58.53 | luke-jr | KDE can start without using swap |
| 04:58.59 | luke-jr | Maemo can't |
| 04:59.00 | wall[3] | what's the benefit of writing a simple wm with toolkits? |
| 04:59.08 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: btw, keep in mind that maemo precaches a shitload of stuff |
| 04:59.11 | luke-jr | wall[3]: WMs aren't so simple |
| 04:59.17 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: not my fault |
| 04:59.26 | wall[3] | luke-jr, yeh but for small devices. |
| 04:59.37 | luke-jr | wall[3]: especially for small devices! |
| 04:59.38 | wall[3] | but may be good for data types objects etc. |
| 04:59.54 | wall[3] | i wrote like 3 wms heh |
| 05:00.04 | luke-jr | I couldn't find any specs to write a WM with :/ |
| 05:00.19 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 05:00.31 | luke-jr | thinking about this further, I realize what I really want is an open Maemo in Qt4 <.< |
| 05:00.34 | luke-jr | Maemo5* |
| 05:00.54 | wall[3] | i want open conversation app |
| 05:01.02 | luke-jr | after all, I can always run Arora and KMail-replacement on it... |
| 05:01.04 | wall[3] | it's useless now for my language and they don't bother fixing. |
| 05:01.09 | luke-jr | wall[3]: that too |
| 05:01.27 | luke-jr | I suspect even PR1.2 doesn't really support video |
| 05:01.37 | luke-jr | it doesn't work with Skype for Mac/Windows, nor Pidgin |
| 05:01.41 | luke-jr | not sure there's much else... |
| 05:02.03 | wall[3] | :S |
| 05:02.32 | Stskeeps | you need to upgrade your skype |
| 05:04.33 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: pretty sure the Mac one was latest version |
| 05:05.03 | luke-jr | on further thought, I suspect I would be able to tolerate Maemo5 closed... except for the bugs/wishlists I want to fix |
| 05:05.04 | luke-jr | :p |
| 05:05.53 | luke-jr | that's one of the core problems with closed source |
| 05:06.04 | luke-jr | you can't fix/change it without rewriting everything :( |
| 05:06.10 | Stskeeps | meh, what we try to fix with meego |
| 05:06.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:06.32 | luke-jr | but MeeGo is RPM -.- |
| 05:06.42 | luke-jr | ponders stealing all the software into Gentoo |
| 05:07.12 | ds3 | hmmm what happened to claws? |
| 05:07.14 | Stskeeps | and gentoo's gentoo |
| 05:07.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:08.17 | asj | Stskeeps: didn't you mean s/gentoo/big steaming pile/ ? |
| 05:08.17 | luke-jr | ds3: it always sucked? |
| 05:08.25 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: Gentoo works good for me :) |
| 05:08.27 | Stskeeps | asj: i decided to be diplomatic |
| 05:08.30 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: it's just KDE that is failing |
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| 05:09.10 | luke-jr | ponders what MeeGo's minimum supported resolution is-- 320x240 or 640x480? |
| 05:09.34 | luke-jr | I think KDE's is like 800x600 -.- |
| 05:09.59 | LiraNuna | for a "private" beta, Opera sure updates a lot |
| 05:10.16 | luke-jr | lol |
| 05:10.47 | ham5 | would like to see more updates to the firefox or maemos |
| 05:10.58 | luke-jr | pfft Firefox |
| 05:11.01 | luke-jr | that's worse than KDE |
| 05:11.14 | ham5 | kde is a desktop firefox is an app |
| 05:11.17 | ham5 | apples oranges? |
| 05:11.25 | luke-jr | that's what's so insane about it |
| 05:11.30 | luke-jr | a mere app uses more memory than a desktop! |
| 05:11.37 | ds3 | luke-jr: it sucked less then the built in mail |
| 05:11.57 | luke-jr | ds3: honestly, I'm cool w/ M5's builtin mail |
| 05:12.06 | ham5 | yea ill agree |
| 05:12.09 | ham5 | its mail ffs |
| 05:12.10 | luke-jr | as long as I go home eventually :P |
| 05:12.13 | LiraNuna | I don't use it, but I'd love push notifications instead of pulling |
| 05:12.23 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: M5 can't do push? |
| 05:12.33 | asj | it can't do imap idle |
| 05:12.36 | luke-jr | o |
| 05:12.39 | luke-jr | but then, neither can KMail |
| 05:12.44 | asj | it can do mfe or nokia messaging |
| 05:12.46 | luke-jr | and then again, I don't care |
| 05:12.50 | luke-jr | because email isn't realtime anyway |
| 05:12.57 | LiraNuna | I could never get Nokia Messaging working |
| 05:13.01 | ham5 | its mail |
| 05:13.06 | luke-jr | I don't want to even try Nokia anything services :P |
| 05:13.15 | luke-jr | ham5: exactly. you sent it, I get it a week later |
| 05:13.16 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 05:15.03 | ham5 | look at you luke with your fancy ipv6 ip... do you dev at all? |
| 05:15.06 | wall[3] | i wonder if a plugin could allow loading all images in firefox as 2bits b/w |
| 05:15.27 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: gprs-provisioning is closed too? :/ |
| 05:15.30 | luke-jr | ham5: ... |
| 05:15.40 | luke-jr | ham5: how do you think I even have Gentoo running? |
| 05:15.43 | wall[3] | use some lame conversion, no need to be fancy |
| 05:16.00 | ham5 | nothing for maemo tho? |
| 05:16.17 | luke-jr | ham5: Maemo is closed. |
| 05:17.31 | luke-jr | ham5: the only reason I touch it at all these days is because Nokia sent me a N900 |
| 05:17.41 | luke-jr | thus, my GCC 4.4 build kernel supports Maemo5 :p |
| 05:18.13 | luke-jr | presumably my GPS code will be usable for MeeGo as well... |
| 05:19.14 | luke-jr | I'm also trying to get Linux ported over to N810-- that effort can benefit MeeGo as well |
| 05:19.37 | ham5 | whats meego have to gain? |
| 05:19.47 | ham5 | more of a redhat base isent it? |
| 05:20.07 | luke-jr | for packages, yes |
| 05:20.16 | luke-jr | but as far as actual code, MeeGo and Gentoo can share a lot |
| 05:20.26 | luke-jr | mainly I guess I focus on making things more open ;) |
| 05:20.33 | luke-jr | like reverse engineering closed parts |
| 05:20.50 | Stskeeps | i still think one of the bigger problems on n8x0 is that we don't have DVFS :P |
| 05:21.05 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: seriously, what difference does it make? |
| 05:21.19 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: well, for one, power saving |
| 05:21.35 | Stskeeps | as well as i suspect it only runs at 133mhz (base freq) |
| 05:21.35 | luke-jr | glances at his N810... |
| 05:21.37 | luke-jr | emerge (82 of 341) dev-libs/glib-2.22.4 |
| 05:21.38 | luke-jr | OH |
| 05:21.40 | luke-jr | XD |
| 05:22.47 | luke-jr | (now you know why I've been so N900-focussed for the past week...) |
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| 05:23.24 | ham5 | you chatting on your gentoo n900 right now? |
| 05:23.39 | luke-jr | ham5: no, I am chatting on my Gentoo amd64 right now. :P |
| 05:23.52 | ham5 | ahh |
| 05:23.56 | ham5 | bout a 5 day uptime? |
| 05:24.00 | luke-jr | ? |
| 05:24.08 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.12 | luke-jr | how'd you find that out |
| 05:24.13 | luke-jr | ... |
| 05:24.16 | ham5 | u? |
| 05:24.19 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.25 | ham5 | so close ;) |
| 05:24.26 | luke-jr | seriously, how'd you guess |
| 05:24.37 | wall[3] | nickserv? |
| 05:24.42 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 05:24.45 | luke-jr | oooh |
| 05:24.55 | luke-jr | wait no |
| 05:25.00 | wall[3] | ever log off irc? |
| 05:25.00 | luke-jr | nickserv says not |
| 05:25.05 | luke-jr | not intentionally |
| 05:25.08 | wall[3] | then you are 0wned |
| 05:25.16 | wall[3] | j/k |
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| 05:25.34 | luke-jr | no |
| 05:25.40 | luke-jr | I'd be owned if I had my older uptime ;P |
| 05:25.47 | luke-jr | last reboot 5 days ago was to update my kernel |
| 05:25.57 | ham5 | what u run/. |
| 05:25.59 | ham5 | ? |
| 05:26.07 | luke-jr | 2.6.34-gentoo-r? |
| 05:26.12 | ham5 | mainline? |
| 05:26.13 | ham5 | o |
| 05:26.14 | luke-jr | r1 |
| 05:26.20 | ham5 | gentoo's kernel |
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| 05:26.22 | luke-jr | it's pretty close to mainline |
| 05:26.33 | luke-jr | Gentoo has a "no features" policy |
| 05:27.31 | luke-jr | yeah, 4 patches |
| 05:28.09 | luke-jr | a bugfix, a "cleanup", xconfig Qt4 support, and some framebuffer console decoration thing |
| 05:28.23 | luke-jr | someone needs to enforce policy on that last one O.o |
| 05:28.41 | ham5 | yea framebuffer is defantly a feature |
| 05:29.26 | luke-jr | decoration |
| 05:29.31 | luke-jr | it puts a bg image on it -.- |
| 05:29.50 | ham5 | its... to help run your monitors I thought |
| 05:31.05 | luke-jr | <.< |
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| 05:33.42 | ham5 | ^_^ |
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| 05:33.51 | ham5 | yea nm |
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| 05:37.39 | Corsac | mhmh, thinks it's time for a reboot |
| 05:38.01 | Corsac | n900 starting to be dead slow |
| 05:38.29 | ham5 | have a look at conkey see whats going on ? |
| 05:38.35 | ham5 | loadavg? |
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| 05:40.25 | Corsac | no, mem usage I think |
| 05:40.41 | Corsac | it's just not able to maintain uptime more than 15-20 days |
| 05:41.16 | Corsac | killing hildon-desktop, modest and stuff like that helps a bit, but in the end I have to reboot |
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| 05:43.24 | frals | ~curse elisa |
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| 05:46.26 | Stskeeps | frals: joys of living in finland? |
| 05:46.49 | frals | adsl dying every evening at 23:44, its awesome |
| 05:46.50 | frals | :| |
| 05:47.38 | MiXu- | tells you it's time to sleep ;) |
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| 05:48.07 | Stskeeps | frals: matches with when the neighbour gets up to microwave a snack? ;) |
| 05:48.45 | frals | hehe |
| 05:49.06 | frals | 23:44:29board 0 line 0 channel 0, call 1, C01 Incoming Call 1500000 CALL DETAIL RECORD |
| 05:49.13 | frals | wonder wth that means :p |
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| 05:51.37 | Pauly | heyyy guys |
| 05:52.14 | Stskeeps | frals: incoming call on your adsl? :P |
| 05:52.46 | Stskeeps | frals: the internet phones back to haunt you! |
| 05:52.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:53.09 | Pauly | any1 know of an msn webcam app for n900 i tried with amsn but cant seem to install it i think i might have 2 reflash to pr 1.1 but i would like to know if any1 has solution before doing so? any ideas? |
| 05:53.25 | Pauly | pr 1.0 sry |
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| 05:54.32 | Pauly | none of my friends have skype, so u know? |
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| 05:55.52 | Pauly | okay lol thanks anyways |
| 05:58.40 | Pauly | wow i so losted? |
| 05:59.12 | Corsac | start by upgrading to pr1.2? |
| 06:00.22 | Pauly | no i have pr1.2 |
| 06:01.19 | Pauly | ssry im confusing |
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| 06:03.57 | Pauly | i think i have 2 old firmware its okay i do it tomarrows to tired lol i want to use the front camera lol |
| 06:04.31 | Corsac | what makes you laugh that much? |
| 06:04.41 | asj | Corsac: the alchohol |
| 06:04.47 | asj | ack, what ever |
| 06:04.50 | Pauly | of course |
| 06:05.50 | Pauly | sorry am i an annoyance ? dont mean to be im new to all this i just didnt want to reflash. |
| 06:06.07 | asj | Pauly: install pr1.2 |
| 06:06.13 | Corsac | he already has |
| 06:06.16 | Pauly | i have that |
| 06:06.17 | Pauly | lol |
| 06:06.55 | Corsac | stop laughing |
| 06:06.58 | Corsac | that's not funny |
| 06:06.58 | Pauly | how about that fcamera it is so amazing |
| 06:07.26 | Stskeeps | talk.maemo.org sounds like a good place for yu |
| 06:07.27 | Stskeeps | P |
| 06:07.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:07.41 | Pauly | thanks |
| 06:07.50 | Pauly | i was there |
| 06:09.58 | D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, ping |
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| 06:11.43 | Pauly | hey i would love to help port something or develop somthing but i have no skills but alot of free time, so i will learn some skills and then come back i guess. i just wanna be involved i know i seem like a freeloader. |
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| 06:16.22 | ham5 | awww |
| 06:16.34 | alterego | That was the best nights sleep I've had in weeks. |
| 06:16.36 | alterego | and it's the first time I've woken up before ten in a couple of months... |
| 06:16.52 | alterego | (7:00 here) |
| 06:17.03 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, congrats! |
| 06:17.13 | alterego | Hopefully it's a return to normality. |
| 06:17.25 | alterego | thanks :) |
| 06:17.53 | D-Iivil_Work | I couldn't sleep at all last night. |
| 06:18.49 | D-Iivil_Work | So I'm running with the same eyes than yesterday. |
| 06:19.28 | D-Iivil_Work | The air was so swetty. Storm is coming. |
| 06:19.35 | Corsac | I'm running with the same eyes since I was born |
| 06:19.38 | alterego | Heh, |
| 06:19.42 | Corsac | :> |
| 06:21.03 | D-Iivil_Work | But it's very very creative state when you haven't slept or you're having a huge hangover. |
| 06:21.03 | D-Iivil_Work | state of mind I mean. |
| 06:21.40 | D-Iivil_Work | Too bad that today I have only some stupid database administratinon scheduled @ work and nothing artistic :-( |
| 06:21.54 | D-Iivil_Work | So maybe I'll go and grab the fourth cup of coffee... |
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| 06:23.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 06:23.43 | alterego | Have fun crashing this afternoon :P |
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| 06:25.05 | D-Iivil_Work | Thanks, I will :P |
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| 06:37.28 | bef0rd | hey! I am wondering, should I get a n900 now? or just wait some months for the next nokia/meego device? |
| 06:37.54 | ham5 | like the consumer is ever going to stop |
| 06:38.09 | ham5 | do what you want something newer and badder is always going to come out 'next' |
| 06:38.30 | Stskeeps | bef0rd: n900 price will dump anyway |
| 06:38.36 | Stskeeps | so depending on what you want |
| 06:38.50 | asj | bef0rd: is the sky blue? |
| 06:39.13 | ham5 | skys grey here asj |
| 06:39.19 | tybollt | so |
| 06:39.38 | tybollt | does flash work in anything else than microb? |
| 06:40.07 | ham5 | like what? |
| 06:40.20 | ham5 | need it for your phone calls? |
| 06:40.25 | bef0rd | it should it's a nsplugin complement thing, and other rendering engines like webkit support it |
| 06:40.29 | asj | ham5: I'm glad I'm here then |
| 06:40.36 | tybollt | oh opera, firefox, chrome, you numbnut |
| 06:41.31 | tybollt | bef0rd: right what I guess I should've asked is... is the way to make it work known :) |
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| 06:42.28 | tybollt | I want to switch to fennec permanently since microb fails on JS on my most used site (looking up bus schedules) |
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| 06:43.02 | bef0rd | fennec is gecko, so it def should work, check the aboug:plugins |
| 06:43.38 | tybollt | hmm yeah |
| 06:43.51 | RST38h | all right, moo all |
| 06:44.00 | tybollt | rst surely knows this |
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| 06:45.40 | tybollt | Known Issues |
| 06:45.41 | tybollt | Initially, Firefox for N900 does not support browser plug-ins. Due to performance problems using Adobe Flash within Firefox on many websites, especially those with multiple plug-ins on them, we have disabled plugins for Firefox for Maemo 1.0. We plan to provide a browser add-on that will enable you to selectively enable plugins on certain sites, because some sites, like YouTube, work well. |
| 06:45.56 | tybollt | well that you have it tybollt |
| 06:46.00 | tybollt | thar* |
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| 06:52.38 | tybollt | woot |
| 06:52.42 | tybollt | fennec for qt? :-o |
| 06:52.53 | tybollt | gots to havez |
| 06:53.03 | Stskeeps | url? |
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| 06:53.26 | tybollt | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-maemo5-qt/ |
| 06:53.35 | Stskeeps | ah, yeah |
| 06:53.39 | tybollt | ? |
| 06:53.40 | Stskeeps | we have that in meego too |
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| 06:54.09 | Termana | stabs N900 connection manager. |
| 06:54.09 | tybollt | Stskeeps: caveat; YOU have meego, right now meego is not for my n900 =) |
| 06:54.44 | Stskeeps | tybollt: well, if it wasn't for the fact our armv7l builds are crap atm, you would have it :P |
| 06:54.55 | SwedeMike | I don't like that the connection manager thinks "network connection failed" just because it only got IPv6 and not IPv4 on the PDP :P |
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| 06:55.47 | Termana | For some reason it won't give internet access if you hook it up to USB, connect to internet through USB on (LINUX BASED) PC, and then try and use it. But it will work if you connect on the device first, and then connect to USB. |
| 06:56.11 | Termana | brb |
| 06:56.13 | tybollt | Stskeeps: Well I can wait. From what I saw on my netbook it's good stuff. |
| 06:56.36 | tybollt | Granted the UX stuff is similar; netbook <-> handheld :S |
| 06:56.40 | tybollt | is it? |
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| 06:58.05 | RST38h | netbook != handheld |
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| 06:58.34 | RST38h | In fact, I have no idea why you would need some "new" UX for the netbook: a normal desktop UX works just fine |
| 07:00.03 | Termana | <RST38h> netbook != handheld <-- are you implying something? |
| 07:00.23 | Termana | nevermind I looked at the logs |
| 07:00.26 | Termana | :P |
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| 07:01.06 | Termana | tybollt, haven't you looked at the Handset UX videos? |
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| 07:06.29 | tybollt | Termana: I have not indeed |
| 07:06.59 | tybollt | I'm flash-impaired on my desktop system normally (mind, I consider that a good thing ;P) |
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| 07:25.45 | RST38h | waZZZd |
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| 07:46.43 | tybollt | ugh |
| 07:46.45 | tybollt | woot |
| 07:46.52 | tybollt | in HAM |
| 07:46.58 | tybollt | I click on "uninstall" |
| 07:47.09 | tybollt | yellow bar; "operation failed" |
| 07:47.16 | tybollt | and then "no applications installed" |
| 07:47.25 | tybollt | yeah - THAT'S likely |
| 07:47.25 | Stskeeps | success, obviously |
| 07:47.42 | tybollt | Stskeeps: is it a known bug then? |
| 07:47.54 | Stskeeps | no, but it did succeed in uninstalling |
| 07:47.55 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 07:48.07 | tybollt | *everything* in one fell swoop |
| 07:48.12 | tybollt | is impressed ;) |
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| 08:14.21 | ilius | I'm a PyGTK programmer, and I want to know how to add an item to the Maemo 5 tray icon (that contains clock and battery an silent ... icons) |
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| 08:14.47 | ilius | i can not find anything in python-hildon library |
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| 08:19.00 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 08:25.01 | D-Iivil_Work | Good morning jacekowski |
| 08:25.04 | D-Iivil_Work | Jaffa... |
| 08:25.07 | D-Iivil_Work | damn autocomplete. |
| 08:25.08 | D-Iivil_Work | :D |
| 08:25.15 | D-Iivil_Work | ~seen X-Fade |
| 08:25.19 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 79 messages. Is idling for 21h 59m 11s, last said: 'thp: 3 testers said it was ok then.'. |
| 08:26.26 | aaaaa | D-Iivil_Work øëþõà |
| 08:26.39 | D-Iivil_Work | aaaaa, ?!? |
| 08:27.23 | aaaaa | D-Iivil_Work 3====D æåðæè õóé ãîâîðþ |
| 08:27.32 | Stskeeps | english please |
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| 08:28.06 | aaaaa | Stskeeps no speak English |
| 08:28.39 | aaaaa | Stskeeps à íà ðóññêîì ÿ òå ñêàæó ÷òî òû ïèäàðîê =) |
| 08:28.53 | Stskeeps | this is an english only channel |
| 08:29.11 | aaaaa | Stskeeps ïåðåâîä èùè õóéëè òû |
| 08:29.13 | aaaaa | ÷åðò ñóêà |
| 08:29.18 | aaaaa | à ÿ áóäó òåáÿ ãíîáèòü |
| 08:29.20 | aaaaa | ïèäàðà |
| 08:29.20 | aaaaa | :D |
| 08:29.24 | MohammadAG51 | ... |
| 08:29.35 | aaaaa | MohammadAG51 .!. |
| 08:29.55 | MohammadAG51 | shove it up your arse |
| 08:30.05 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 08:30.12 | aaaaa | MohammadAG51 õóéöà ñîñíè |
| 08:30.15 | *** kick/#maemo [aaaaa!~cvm@Maemo/community/distmaster/Stskeeps] by Stskeeps (please speak english here.) |
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| 08:30.25 | aaaaa | Stskeeps õóéòå â ñðàêó |
| 08:30.29 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, +q |
| 08:30.42 | aaaaa | MohammadAG51 + ñîñè ó ìåíÿ |
| 08:30.45 | aaaaa | ïèäàðàñ |
| 08:30.49 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!~hawk@217.118.66.*] by Stskeeps |
| 08:31.09 | MohammadAG51 | idk what that means, cba to translate, most probably a swear word, who cares |
| 08:31.11 | *** part/#maemo aaaaa (~hawk@217.118.66.102) |
| 08:31.51 | slonopotamus | ïèäàðàñ |
| 08:32.02 | Stskeeps | what language is that, anyway? |
| 08:32.23 | slonopotamus | i think it's broken due to encoding issues. |
| 08:32.30 | MohammadAG51 | not sure, but it looks harder than C :P |
| 08:32.41 | ilius | hi all. I'm a PyGTK programmer, and I want to know how to add an item to the Maemo 5 tray icon (that contains clock and battery an silent ... icons), or am i wrong and thats not "Tray Icon" and has another name? |
| 08:32.44 | slonopotamus | or font troubles |
| 08:32.56 | MohammadAG51 | or retarded talk |
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| 08:35.07 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, hmm, anything on neopwn? |
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| 08:52.43 | tybollt | frals? |
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| 08:53.14 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 08:53.22 | PhonicUK | has anyone tried Milky Tracker on their N900? |
| 08:53.26 | dunz0r | Yup |
| 08:53.30 | dunz0r | PhonicUK: It works. |
| 08:53.38 | PhonicUK | is there an optified version? |
| 08:53.48 | ieatlint | does anyone here have a square dongle and an n900? |
| 08:53.54 | dunz0r | You need to exchange the sdl-lib for the one with pulse-audio support for it to work though. |
| 08:54.05 | frals | tybollt: ? |
| 08:54.07 | jacekowski | i need to finish my spectrum analyser |
| 08:54.19 | PhonicUK | dunz0r, where can I find that? |
| 08:54.25 | jacekowski | well, it's finished, just slow |
| 08:54.27 | dunz0r | In apt-get. |
| 08:54.58 | PhonicUK | any idea of the package name? |
| 08:55.30 | ieatlint | also, anyone here have an DL/ID card from a Canadian, US or Mexican authority that has a magnetic stripe and is willing to give me some extremely generic info about how your ID numbers are formatted? |
| 08:57.02 | frals | tybollt: query me, going for lunch :p |
| 08:57.05 | jacekowski | i have card withmagnetic stripe |
| 08:57.09 | jacekowski | but it's not an id card |
| 08:57.46 | jacekowski | strip* |
| 08:58.24 | ieatlint | i have a maemo app written in qt that reads magnetic stripe cards.. have it configured to identify credit cards and AAMVA-compliant cards and display the data formatted |
| 08:58.39 | jacekowski | how does it read that strip |
| 08:59.02 | ieatlint | so i can for instance swipe an ID card from most north american states/provences and it will give me the issuing authority, the ID number, date of expiration and date of birth |
| 08:59.27 | jacekowski | swipe where? |
| 08:59.32 | jacekowski | do you have external reader? |
| 08:59.35 | ieatlint | a dongle with a cassette tape header that interfaces through the audio jack |
| 08:59.54 | jacekowski | that's not going to work with most of cards |
| 08:59.57 | ieatlint | https://squareup.com/features (commercial site, not intending to advertise it) has pics of said dongle |
| 09:00.05 | jacekowski | most of these cards are multitrack |
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| 09:00.14 | ieatlint | yeah, i can read track 2 |
| 09:00.21 | ieatlint | and my software is configured for ABA only |
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| 09:01.05 | ieatlint | but any card with a magnetic stripe on track 2 written with the ABA spec works -- from gift cards, to credit cards, IDs, store membership cards |
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| 09:01.46 | ieatlint | credit cards for instance give me CC number and expiration date only -- the name of the cardholder is on track 1, which i cannot indeed read (although i hope to get a track 1 reader shortly) |
| 09:02.40 | PhonicUK | wow lots of new N900 stuff recently |
| 09:03.52 | defragger | is it possible that maemo disconnects the wlan interface automatically? |
| 09:03.59 | PhonicUK | yes it does |
| 09:04.03 | PhonicUK | whenever its not used for a minute or so |
| 09:04.16 | ieatlint | but for a $0.20 dongle, i can mimic the functionality of $300+ devices that clubs use to check IDs on an n900... easily ported to android/iphone/etc as well |
| 09:06.04 | ieatlint | anyway, my interest is that if someone has an AAMVA complaint ID/DL (ie, issued from any country in north america), i would like to know the format of the ID number so i can display it properly -- for instance, california IDs are LNNNNNNN -- just looking for this kind of generic info |
| 09:06.35 | defragger | uhm, i connected with my laptop in ad-hoc mode and it still disconnects after some time |
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| 09:06.52 | tybollt | jacek: flash in chrome workie yet? |
| 09:07.24 | jacekowski | ieatlint: so how does it accept cards? |
| 09:07.29 | jacekowski | ieatlint: for payment? |
| 09:07.38 | jacekowski | ieatlint: and what about EMV cards? |
| 09:07.42 | jacekowski | and chip&pin |
| 09:08.18 | jacekowski | and here you get card terminal for free with business account |
| 09:08.20 | tybollt | jacekowski: flash in chrome workie yet? |
| 09:08.26 | jacekowski | it's working |
| 09:08.28 | jacekowski | but crashing |
| 09:08.30 | tybollt | \o/ |
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| 09:08.48 | jacekowski | i don't have time to do a lot more work on it |
| 09:08.48 | tybollt | jacekowski: what's the status wrt the legal issues? |
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| 09:08.59 | jacekowski | status is that i don't care |
| 09:08.59 | ieatlint | uh, i have signed an NDA with square, but i can likely answer several questions -- however, there is no maemo support for square and i am 100% unaware of any plans to bring support to maemo, so you cannot process any payments through square on maemo |
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| 09:09.16 | ieatlint | in the US, chip&pin does not exist |
| 09:09.20 | tybollt | awww :) |
| 09:09.23 | tybollt | carebear! |
| 09:09.31 | jacekowski | well, i can do it legally |
| 09:09.39 | jacekowski | it's only US that it's patented |
| 09:09.50 | jacekowski | and i'm never going there again |
| 09:10.11 | ieatlint | you slide the card, it reads track 2, gives the square app your CC number (as printed on card) and the expiration date only. it then sends it off to a square server for authorisation |
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| 09:10.24 | ieatlint | signature is collected using the touchscreen, receipts are sent via email |
| 09:10.41 | ieatlint | any transaction requiring a pin is not supported |
| 09:10.56 | jacekowski | that's sooooo unsecure |
| 09:10.57 | ieatlint | (or any that require more than track 2 of a CC num) |
| 09:11.22 | jacekowski | i would reverse and abuse that app just for sake of doing that |
| 09:11.25 | ieatlint | so is me standing at a local supermarket with a DSLR taking pics of people pulling their credit cards out of their wallet -- your point? |
| 09:11.39 | kerio | ieatlint: you need front and back |
| 09:12.03 | ieatlint | perhaps :P |
| 09:12.23 | ieatlint | anyway, yes, it is possible that you could even write an app that sits on the audio interface and intercepts card swipes |
| 09:12.23 | jacekowski | ieatlint: what would picture of card give you? |
| 09:12.25 | jacekowski | photo* |
| 09:12.34 | ieatlint | the CC number and expiration date |
| 09:12.43 | jacekowski | and? |
| 09:12.55 | ieatlint | uh, well, not too useful, the name of the cardholder |
| 09:12.57 | jacekowski | you need CVV code |
| 09:13.05 | ieatlint | CVV is only required for some things |
| 09:13.12 | ieatlint | if i want to go on a shopping spree, sure |
| 09:13.17 | jacekowski | well, not here |
| 09:13.34 | jacekowski | all transactions here are chip & pin and if it's not chip& pin |
| 09:13.45 | jacekowski | then it requires all details from credit card |
| 09:13.51 | ieatlint | chip&pin doesn't even exist at all in the US |
| 09:13.52 | jacekowski | and some details that are not on card |
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| 09:14.09 | jacekowski | like password |
| 09:14.23 | ieatlint | chip is non-existent.. we have something called debit, which is a card attached to a checking account |
| 09:14.36 | jacekowski | yep |
| 09:14.39 | jacekowski | we have that as well |
| 09:14.44 | ieatlint | it can be run as a credit card (signature required only) or as a "debit card", which requires a pin number |
| 09:14.53 | alterego | Heh, I'm actually quite unsuruprised at the amount of idiots using "Titans" power kernel that don't even know how to revert back to stock. |
| 09:15.08 | jacekowski | well, here if card is chip& pin capable you have to use chip& pin |
| 09:15.11 | ieatlint | it's highly insecure, and everyone has had their credit card compromised at some point |
| 09:15.12 | alterego | Titan should not have made it so easy for people to use his kernel... |
| 09:15.26 | jacekowski | or transaction is rejected |
| 09:16.10 | jacekowski | ieatlint: if card is compromised who's responsibility is it? |
| 09:16.12 | psycho_oreos | doesn't know why idiots would want to use titan's power kernel without fully understanding it can work as a double edged sword |
| 09:16.14 | ieatlint | i've had experience with that :P |
| 09:16.29 | jacekowski | i mean, who's paying for the losses? |
| 09:16.36 | ieatlint | in denmark, they kept asking me to enter a pin for my CC... thankfully one cashier knew to tell me to just enter 0000 |
| 09:16.46 | tybollt | jacekowski: so essentally you dropped maintainership? I mean I care because if I start using it it'd probably be nice if it had a maintainer :) |
| 09:16.54 | ieatlint | complicated question... simple answer is the merchant pays for the losses |
| 09:17.17 | ieatlint | complicated answer is the merchant pays for it, but their account for accepting cards includes insurance which covers it |
| 09:17.18 | jacekowski | ieatlint: i got asked for zip code |
| 09:17.37 | ieatlint | zip code is common for gas stations only here |
| 09:17.45 | jacekowski | and underground in NY |
| 09:17.54 | ieatlint | and generally useless.. if i mug someone, i have their ID, which includes their zip code |
| 09:17.57 | Corsac | it's nice to enter my zip code from Paris, Fr in a gas station in US |
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| 09:18.04 | Corsac | it think i'm located somewhere in texas |
| 09:18.19 | jacekowski | well, england has letters in post codes |
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| 09:18.23 | ieatlint | plus if you go to see the gas station attendant, he can run your card without a zip |
| 09:18.27 | jacekowski | so i had to just enter 12345 |
| 09:18.31 | tybollt | Corsac: you THINK? |
| 09:18.34 | ieatlint | and he's getting minimum wage, so he doesn't give a fuck if it's stolen |
| 09:18.44 | Venemo | good morning guys |
| 09:18.54 | jacekowski | ieatlint: well, here with cards it's always bank responsibility |
| 09:19.10 | ieatlint | jacekowski: i'm not saying the US system makes sense :) |
| 09:19.21 | ieatlint | in fact, i feel truly sorry for small shops |
| 09:19.26 | jacekowski | ieatlint: only when you are responsible is when you have not notified bank withing 48h |
| 09:19.34 | Corsac | tybollt: no, but it does |
| 09:19.36 | jacekowski | ieatlint: and then you are still only responsible up to £200 |
| 09:19.41 | ieatlint | it's considered very impolite to use a card at a small store unless it's for a large transactions |
| 09:20.00 | jacekowski | ieatlint: why? |
| 09:20.12 | ieatlint | yeah, the standard policy here is that you have 30 days from the date of your last statement to notify the bank of fraudulent charges |
| 09:20.20 | ieatlint | because of the fees |
| 09:20.22 | Corsac | ieatlint: but you do have chip & pins for some atms in large cities, don't you? |
| 09:20.24 | kerio | gee, we just don't pay the taxes when paying with cash |
| 09:20.44 | ieatlint | if i go to a small store and buy $10 worth of stuff, the standard rates are $0.35 per transaction and ~%3 of the purchase amount |
| 09:20.50 | kerio | italy, the true land of the free |
| 09:20.51 | jacekowski | ieatlint: well, here banks are responsible for any losses so they tend to care more |
| 09:21.18 | sejo | hmm kmplayer plays videofile but the media app included not... missing codecs? |
| 09:21.23 | ieatlint | so the store sees $10 become $9.35.. which definitely hits their profit margin |
| 09:21.51 | ieatlint | at major stores, whatever, they expect it |
| 09:22.45 | ieatlint | but small shops, they groan, and often enough will try to charge $0.50-$1.00 "credit card fees" to recoup their loss (which is technically against their contract with the bank, but a generally accepted reality) |
| 09:23.26 | ieatlint | it's a messed up system |
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| 09:23.32 | ieatlint | but the banks set the rules |
| 09:23.37 | Stskeeps | heh, i've tried to pay for a pack of cigs + candies plus a public transport ticket here in warsaw with my cc.. due to the fact they can't do markup on the bus ticket, they refuse the whole deal |
| 09:23.42 | jacekowski | ieatlint: well, here it's free |
| 09:23.57 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: where are you from? |
| 09:24.10 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: i'm from denmark originally but living in warsaw |
| 09:24.16 | jacekowski | why? |
| 09:24.25 | ieatlint | jacekowski: you end up learning a whole etiquette about where and when it's acceptable to use a credit card |
| 09:24.26 | sejo | I'm using fapman but how to disable the normal application manager? |
| 09:24.31 | ieatlint | it's weird, but you get used to it |
| 09:24.44 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: tax's low, scandinavian pay and married to a polish girl |
| 09:24.52 | Stskeeps | so, why not |
| 09:24.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:25.07 | jacekowski | ieatlint: well, here you just use card everywhere, because to use debit card is free for me and a seller |
| 09:25.15 | jacekowski | ieatlint: and debit cards are most popular ones |
| 09:25.20 | ieatlint | debit is usually free |
| 09:25.23 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: tax is low? |
| 09:25.29 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: compared to denmark it's low |
| 09:25.38 | jacekowski | 22% VAT |
| 09:25.39 | Stskeeps | also, prices are 1/4 |
| 09:25.43 | jacekowski | 40% income tax |
| 09:25.43 | Stskeeps | DK has 25% VAT |
| 09:25.55 | jacekowski | well 40% above 80k |
| 09:26.02 | ieatlint | heh, where i live is a 9.5% sales tax :P |
| 09:26.11 | ieatlint | +4% on restuarants |
| 09:26.20 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: and warsaw |
| 09:26.25 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: do you really like it? |
| 09:26.45 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: yeah, i like it so far - still trying to get more roots down here and get to know people |
| 09:27.07 | jacekowski | how's your polish? |
| 09:27.19 | Stskeeps | not good, but i took at least one level |
| 09:27.33 | ieatlint | if i had the means and the money to move out of the US, i would |
| 09:27.39 | Stskeeps | (just lived here since september) |
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| 09:28.12 | jacekowski | if i would ever come back to poland it will be very very far away from warsaw |
| 09:28.14 | ieatlint | but i'm in the one of the most hospitable parts of the US, so i'm content |
| 09:28.55 | jacekowski | warsaw is inhabitable for me |
| 09:29.13 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: i'm not very picky and scaringly, the public transport here is better than in denmark :P |
| 09:29.20 | Stskeeps | so there's positive things |
| 09:29.54 | jacekowski | try driving a car in warsaw |
| 09:30.01 | jacekowski | i've done that once |
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| 09:30.25 | Stskeeps | yea, they certainly seem to have a law that you may only stick in the same lane for 10 seconds at a time |
| 09:30.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:30.52 | jacekowski | except ambulance lanes apparently |
| 09:31.11 | jacekowski | there is one close to one of hospitals |
| 09:31.13 | alterego | Keeps your mind on driving. It's like speed, the have bombs on each car .. |
| 09:31.34 | jacekowski | that's constantly blocked by somebody |
| 09:31.57 | Stskeeps | i really do miss having good pakistani or turkish pizzas here though |
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| 09:33.31 | Stskeeps | besides that, it's an experience to live abroad for the first time |
| 09:33.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:33.43 | jacekowski | only thing that was good in warsaw was wolumen |
| 09:33.53 | jacekowski | but that's not what it used to be |
| 09:35.08 | Stskeeps | have you been back recently? |
| 09:35.30 | jacekowski | no, last time i've been in warsaw was 3 years ago |
| 09:35.31 | Stskeeps | i mean, i've been here the last three years and it has changed a lot in some areas |
| 09:35.38 | Stskeeps | as in, trips every summer |
| 09:35.43 | kerio | what's wrong with the kernel-power? |
| 09:35.45 | kerio | :o |
| 09:35.48 | kerio | it's awesome |
| 09:35.54 | jacekowski | but i've been in some other places couple months ago |
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| 09:36.55 | Stskeeps | things have also gotten more expensive, though |
| 09:37.29 | D-Iivil_Work | Help please; my phone went into reboot-loop after installing fcamera driver. I can ssh to phone via bootmenu. |
| 09:37.49 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: disable lifeguard reset |
| 09:38.03 | Stskeeps | D-Iivil_Work: sure that's enabled? last i saw, that feature wasn't working |
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| 09:38.38 | D-Iivil_Work | Okay.. now it went all grazy :-D |
| 09:38.49 | D-Iivil_Work | Shuts itself down when bootmenu is running. |
| 09:38.56 | D-Iivil_Work | Would reflashing the kernel help? |
| 09:39.01 | jacekowski | no |
| 09:39.04 | Stskeeps | what kernel did you have before? |
| 09:39.11 | akshey | Hi, Can I use my n900 as 3G or GPRS modem and access internet from my linux machine? |
| 09:39.12 | D-Iivil_Work | titan's |
| 09:39.19 | jacekowski | akshey: yes |
| 09:39.31 | akshey | jacekowski: is there a free app for that? |
| 09:39.38 | Corsac | here fcamera wouldn't install with the power kernel |
| 09:39.38 | jacekowski | akshey: pc suite |
| 09:39.46 | jacekowski | akshey: on windows |
| 09:39.54 | jacekowski | akshey: on linux just connect it in pc-suite mode |
| 09:40.03 | jacekowski | akshey: and you should get on serial port |
| 09:40.03 | noobmonk3y | akshey: or joikuspot/mobile hot spot :) |
| 09:40.07 | D-Iivil_Work | So reflash the whole thing? |
| 09:40.18 | noobmonk3y | (They turn it into a wireless routery kinda thing so to speak) - well hotspot |
| 09:40.22 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: disable watchdog and lifeguard reset |
| 09:40.35 | noobmonk3y | akshey: mobile hotspot (Or something like that) is free i think |
| 09:40.37 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, how? |
| 09:40.38 | akshey | jacekowski: are these apps free? joikuspot/mobile hot spot |
| 09:40.49 | noobmonk3y | akshey: joiku is not free, works though as i have it |
| 09:41.01 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: with flasher |
| 09:41.07 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, googling. |
| 09:41.09 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: run flasher without any options |
| 09:41.10 | akshey | noobmonk3y: ok. does mobile hotspot work properly? |
| 09:41.15 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: and it will give you all info you need |
| 09:41.19 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, just the falsher.exe ? |
| 09:41.28 | jacekowski | nah, you have to install it |
| 09:41.30 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 09:41.31 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:41.35 | noobmonk3y | akshey: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48075&highlight=hotspot |
| 09:41.38 | jacekowski | these are all links you need |
| 09:41.42 | jacekowski | install flasher |
| 09:41.46 | jacekowski | then go to folder with it |
| 09:41.50 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, yep. Found already :) |
| 09:41.58 | jacekowski | then run flasher-3.5.exe |
| 09:42.00 | akshey | jacekowski: how can i access internet through serial port method? |
| 09:42.04 | jacekowski | and it will give you all options |
| 09:42.04 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, I've flashed the thing million times before. Just needed to find the right syntax. |
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| 09:42.15 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode |
| 09:42.17 | jacekowski | --enable-rd-mode |
| 09:42.24 | jacekowski | and --set-rd-mode-flag |
| 09:42.25 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 09:42.25 | noobmonk3y | akshey: Pc suite will allow you via the cable |
| 09:42.29 | jacekowski | and --set-rd-flag |
| 09:42.46 | jacekowski | akshey: after you connect it in pcsuite mode |
| 09:42.48 | akshey | noobmonk3y: but it will work only in windows. I want in linux :( |
| 09:42.50 | jacekowski | akshey: you will get serial port |
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| 09:42.59 | jacekowski | akshey: that behaves just like normal modem |
| 09:43.01 | noobmonk3y | akshey: i thought it worked fine in linux now? |
| 09:43.18 | jacekowski | akshey: so find howto about using modems in linux |
| 09:43.32 | Corsac | hmmh but that means you open two connections at once? |
| 09:43.40 | akshey | jacekowski: ok. thanks. By any chance is PC suite available for linux? |
| 09:43.43 | Corsac | or does that mean the n900 won't have connection when you tether |
| 09:43.45 | jacekowski | akshey: no |
| 09:43.51 | jacekowski | Corsac: it won't |
| 09:44.00 | Corsac | ok |
| 09:44.14 | jacekowski | well, rapuyama can do a lot |
| 09:44.23 | jacekowski | so it might have capabilities for 2 connections |
| 09:44.32 | jacekowski | but i never tried it |
| 09:44.38 | Corsac | rapuyama? |
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| 09:44.47 | jacekowski | modem in n900 |
| 09:45.04 | akshey | noobmonk3y: is Joikuspot lite available for n900? |
| 09:45.08 | jacekowski | RAP stands for radio application processor |
| 09:45.17 | jacekowski | i don't know what UYAMA stand's for |
| 09:46.00 | jacekowski | but rapuyama itself is a quite powerfull processor |
| 09:46.14 | jacekowski | you could run whole phone on just that chip |
| 09:46.27 | noobmonk3y | akshey: tehre is a demo version somewhere - try ovi store |
| 09:46.39 | Corsac | google likes to spell it rapu-yama |
| 09:46.44 | akshey | noobmonk3y: ok. thanks |
| 09:46.55 | jacekowski | there were different versions |
| 09:47.01 | jacekowski | and similiar chips |
| 09:47.03 | jacekowski | rap3g |
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| 09:47.07 | jacekowski | raps3g |
| 09:47.11 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, i am able to have a 3G connection on the n900 and on my linux pc in pc-suite mode |
| 09:47.16 | noobmonk3y | akshey: joiku has improved alot - manaed to use it for a weekend a few weeks ago and dloaded 2.8gb in the weekend with over 8 people connected :) |
| 09:47.21 | TermanaN900 | they both work at the same time |
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| 09:47.28 | Corsac | TermanaN900: nice |
| 09:47.38 | Stskeeps | TermanaN900: i had severe lag problems with that |
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| 09:47.42 | Corsac | though that means you need two carrier accounts, I guess? |
| 09:47.48 | akshey | noobmonk3y: nice :) |
| 09:48.01 | Corsac | that's not really piggybacking on the n900 connection if you mount one yourself |
| 09:48.02 | jacekowski | Corsac: not really |
| 09:48.23 | jacekowski | Corsac: i wouldn't be surprised if rapuyama terminates ppp session by itself |
| 09:48.33 | jacekowski | Corsac: because rapuyama needs to handle agps stuff somehow |
| 09:48.46 | jacekowski | Corsac: while still giving main application processor access to internet |
| 09:49.00 | jacekowski | so it can have 2 connections open |
| 09:49.14 | TermanaN900 | jacekowski, who in the world named it rapuyama? :P |
| 09:49.19 | jacekowski | nokia |
| 09:49.25 | jacekowski | http://forums.phone-tools.cn/showthread.php/26894-Nokia-BB5-General-information-)?p=107878 |
| 09:49.46 | jacekowski | there is gazoo as well |
| 09:49.51 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, okay, lifeguard-reset is now disabled, but couldn't find anything about that watchdog |
| 09:49.58 | jacekowski | which does rapuyama power managment |
| 09:50.12 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: give me a sec |
| 09:50.14 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, watchdog isn't listed as available --set-rd-flags |
| 09:50.55 | jacekowski | i don't remember these flags |
| 09:50.56 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, I'm on 2G internet here so googling is very very slow... |
| 09:51.12 | jacekowski | no-omap-wd |
| 09:51.20 | jacekowski | no-ext-wd |
| 09:51.34 | D-Iivil_Work | Thanks! |
| 09:51.38 | D-Iivil_Work | Now trying -> |
| 09:51.51 | jacekowski | force-power-key may help as well |
| 09:52.28 | Corsac | hmh, and then how am I supposed to find the various AT commands, phone numbers for my APN and stuff like that? those aren't in n900 settings, afair? |
| 09:52.45 | jacekowski | Corsac: nah, just atdt *99# |
| 09:52.52 | jacekowski | and you will get ppp |
| 09:53.09 | jacekowski | so all you have to do is set up phone number to *99# |
| 09:53.39 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, no go. Still in reboot-loop. |
| 09:53.47 | jacekowski | flash it |
| 09:53.57 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, yep. That's what I'll do. |
| 09:54.12 | jacekowski | ideally full flash |
| 09:54.15 | jacekowski | with emmc |
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| 09:54.41 | jacekowski | but rootfs only flash will probably work as well |
| 09:55.25 | jacekowski | btw. i think NOLO stands not for NOkia LOader but for Nokia Omap LOader |
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| 09:58.29 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, no go... the thing shuts itself down during flashing. |
| 09:58.36 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, maybe some HW failure then. |
| 09:58.49 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, it stays powered on for like ~1 minute after powering it up. |
| 09:59.23 | D-Iivil_Work | Well, now I think is the right time to buy another unit :) |
| 10:02.40 | jacekowski | hmm, battery flat |
| 10:02.40 | D-Iivil_Work | Oops, I take that back. Got it flashed with another try. |
| 10:02.40 | D-Iivil_Work | Battery was 95%. |
| 10:02.40 | alterego | 1 minute, that's about the same length of time as the watchdog timeout :/ |
| 10:02.41 | D-Iivil_Work | Well, got it back to desktop. |
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| 10:02.41 | D-Iivil_Work | Then I guess is again time to install everything back :-P |
| 10:02.42 | Corsac | less expensive :) |
| 10:02.44 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, yeah and I have a backup from three days ago. |
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| 10:02.47 | D-Iivil_Work | So no big deal. |
| 10:03.18 | D-Iivil_Work | But just wondering why it went into that state. Maybe I should report it to the developer of fcamera |
| 10:03.39 | alterego | I doubt it's anything to do with fcamera tbh |
| 10:03.42 | jacekowski | battery still full? |
| 10:03.55 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, battery now like 80% |
| 10:04.11 | jacekowski | no idea then |
| 10:04.24 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, well, I just installed the fcamera + driver and then when tried to reboot as the instructions told it went into reboot-loop. |
| 10:05.04 | alterego | Shit happens :P |
| 10:05.11 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, yeah :) |
| 10:05.36 | alterego | I've actually never witnessed a reboot loop on any of my tablets unusually... |
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| 10:06.09 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, I hadn't before also :P |
| 10:07.18 | Stskeeps | you haven't harmed your tablets enough then |
| 10:08.36 | D-Iivil_Work | I wish the backup (even the build-in one) could be automaticly scheduled. |
| 10:08.42 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 10:08.47 | TermanaN900 | Stskeeps, sir im going to have to ask you to step this way. It is a federal offence to harm the tablets |
| 10:08.51 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 10:09.25 | jacekowski | i'm going to have to ask you to leave the internet |
| 10:09.49 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 10:10.36 | Corsac | D-Iivil_Work: fcamera has a Conflict: or something with the kernel I was using, so HAM didn't want to install it before I removed the kernel |
| 10:10.51 | Corsac | D-Iivil_Work: if fcamera did install with the wrong kernel, that could have led to that |
| 10:11.02 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, I installed it using fapman. |
| 10:11.09 | Corsac | that's why |
| 10:11.11 | Corsac | (what's fapman?) |
| 10:11.14 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, so that might explain why it installed :) |
| 10:11.20 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, faster application manager |
| 10:11.22 | alterego | Stskeeps: I am somewhat unadventurous, I'm running a custom kernel that is using rx51_defconfig and no modifications :# |
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| 10:11.33 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, pretty good alternative to built-in appmanager. |
| 10:11.50 | Corsac | except it won't warn you before bricking your device, though :) |
| 10:12.05 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, hehe :P |
| 10:12.19 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, maybe I'll need to report to the developer of the fapman then :) |
| 10:12.47 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, what should I report? That it won't warn about confligts? What is the conflict it should warn about? |
| 10:15.27 | Corsac | no idea, tbh :) |
| 10:15.27 | alterego | Happy buckyball day! :D |
| 10:15.27 | D-Iivil_Work | Corsac, well, I just put it this way: Seems like fapman does not care if the package that's about to be installed conflicts with another package. It installs the package anyway. |
| 10:15.28 | achipa | D-Iivil_Work: heya. does the promotion thingy work for you now ? |
| 10:15.28 | Corsac | I don't know how fapman works, but aiui the Conflicts should be at least handled by dpkg |
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| 10:15.32 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, how did you know it wasn't working? |
| 10:15.49 | achipa | err... you said it right on this channel ? |
| 10:16.03 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, I tried to reach X-Fade yesterday but couldn't. |
| 10:16.54 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, still does not work. I received a notification that ~12 of my packages is now "promotion unlocked" stage, and I can see the promote -link, but when pressing it I get server error saying I need more votes. Weird. |
| 10:16.56 | achipa | he said he changed a few things but don't know if it included that particular issue |
| 10:17.37 | achipa | your unlock is probably due to super-tester votes, and there is apparently some code snippet that does not take in into consideration |
| 10:17.45 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, yep, that's the case. |
| 10:18.27 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, error says I need to have >3 votes from testers. I have only three votes from testers. So the script tells I need to have MORE than three, but promotion link is shown even I have only three. |
| 10:18.51 | achipa | 3 should be enough (if they are all up, of course) |
| 10:18.54 | achipa | so >=3 |
| 10:19.13 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, yep. That's the error. Should be >=3, not >3. |
| 10:19.31 | D-Iivil_Work | Someone tell that to X-Fade if he shows up when I'm not around :) |
| 10:19.41 | achipa | and the presumption you're not a super-tester yourself (maintainers cannot super-promote their own packages) |
| 10:19.53 | D-Iivil_Work | achipa, no I'm not. |
| 10:21.06 | D-Iivil_Work | Damn it takes long to download 179megs via 2G-connection :-P |
| 10:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | wiki ever been up for anybody last 12h? |
| 10:21.06 | D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, it's up but very very slow. |
| 10:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 10:21.15 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: dead for lat 24h |
| 10:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: PING ^^^ |
| 10:21.34 | alterego | D-Iivil_Work: I wouldn't even bother :P |
| 10:21.39 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, it opens to me, but it takes like ~5 minutes to load the page. |
| 10:21.49 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, restoring the apps @ 2G connection? :D |
| 10:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: dunno if you can do anything with akamai or whatever has died |
| 10:22.19 | jacekowski | akamai costs a lot |
| 10:22.25 | Corsac | reboot the n770 array? |
| 10:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so shouldn't it work then, if Nokia pays a lot? |
| 10:22.46 | jacekowski | yeah, sometimes i think maemo.org is running on n900 cluster |
| 10:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | 770 |
| 10:23.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i doubt nokia has akamai for maemo |
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| 10:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | dig is your friesnd, so is traceroute |
| 10:23.49 | jacekowski | inetnum: 80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.255 |
| 10:23.50 | jacekowski | netname: FI-BILIA |
| 10:23.50 | jacekowski | descr: Logica Finland Oy / Datacentre services |
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| 10:23.54 | jacekowski | that's not akamai |
| 10:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's only tmo? not sure, but sure Nokia has akamai |
| 10:24.58 | D-Iivil_Work | ~wtf akamai |
| 10:26.57 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: if you have problem with traffic from internet |
| 10:26.57 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: and you have loads of £££ to spent |
| 10:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | akamai.com |
| 10:26.57 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: they are people you go to |
| 10:26.58 | D-Iivil_Work | Just reading their web page. |
| 10:26.58 | jacekowski | but not many people can afford akamai |
| 10:26.59 | jacekowski | they have their own worldwide backbone network |
| 10:26.59 | D-Iivil_Work | No pricing on their website :P |
| 10:26.59 | jacekowski | you would have to sell your house |
| 10:26.59 | jacekowski | and car |
| 10:26.59 | jacekowski | and life |
| 10:27.03 | jacekowski | and firstborn son |
| 10:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=akamai |
| 10:27.45 | Corsac | has transformed the chaos of the Internet into a predictable, scalable, and secure platform for business and entertainment. |
| 10:27.48 | Corsac | aha |
| 10:27.55 | Corsac | tell that to 4chan |
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| 10:28.26 | jacekowski | btw. i'm looking for decent music shop |
| 10:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 10:28.29 | jacekowski | without drm |
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| 10:28.51 | alterego | jacekowski: bittorrent? :P |
| 10:29.18 | jacekowski | i'm not going to run torrent on my phone |
| 10:30.04 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, house x2 = check, car = check, firstborn son (does daughter count also?) = check |
| 10:30.13 | D-Iivil_Work | So I might just afford the akamai :P |
| 10:30.51 | tybollt | why have two houses? |
| 10:30.53 | alterego | angry birds level pack 2 |
| 10:31.02 | tybollt | one for the missus one for the mistress? |
| 10:31.04 | D-Iivil_Work | tybollt, sorry, forgot. Actually own three of them. |
| 10:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: [DocScrutinizer]136.64.246.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer a72-246-64-136.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com. |
| 10:31.17 | tybollt | one for the missus one for the mistress one for the gay lover? |
| 10:31.22 | D-Iivil_Work | tybollt, two is for rent and one is the one we're living in. |
| 10:31.44 | tybollt | fair enough - may I call you tycoon? :) |
| 10:31.48 | D-Iivil_Work | tybollt, but actually I own only 50% of those. |
| 10:31.55 | D-Iivil_Work | well.. actually bank owns them pretty much :D |
| 10:32.04 | tybollt | :) |
| 10:32.12 | tybollt | that's usually the case |
| 10:32.54 | D-Iivil_Work | tybollt, yep. |
| 10:34.26 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: where did that 72.246.64.136 came from? |
| 10:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | you'd have to check the irclog to find out, can't remember anymore |
| 10:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | prolly traceroute |
| 10:35.02 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, do I need to manually disable the rd-mode after flashing? |
| 10:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | R&D mode for flashing? WTF? |
| 10:35.56 | jacekowski | he was in reboot loop |
| 10:36.00 | D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, I had to enable R&D mode when I was trying to get my device back running without flashing... |
| 10:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | aah k |
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| 10:36.24 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: do you get some additional pictures and some text when booting |
| 10:36.36 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, dunno. Haven't rebooted yet :D |
| 10:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | wonders which weird magic makes dsme NOT bootloop when R&D |
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| 10:37.11 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, still restoring my apps. Will reboot after it's done. |
| 10:37.38 | D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, I was told to disable watchdog and some other stuff. That's why I enabled the R&D mode. |
| 10:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes |
| 10:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil_Work: on a general note: yes, you need to reset R&D explicitly |
| 10:38.58 | D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, thanks. That's all I wanted to know. I suppose it cannot be done via the device and flasher is needed? |
| 10:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | afaik correct |
| 10:39.14 | alterego | weird, so ovi is setting file names to download count |
| 10:39.15 | D-Iivil_Work | The reason I'm asking is that I might not be nearby computer at the time that restoring those apps is finished. |
| 10:40.18 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: you can disable rd-mode from phone |
| 10:40.25 | D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, how? |
| 10:40.25 | jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: without a computer |
| 10:40.38 | jacekowski | there was an app somewhere |
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| 10:40.45 | jacekowski | but it's one of settings in cal |
| 10:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | At least I tried with maemo generic flasher on N900, and it refused to do anything useful wrt R&D et al |
| 10:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | if only usb hostmode was working, you could probably use one N900 to flash/set_R&D/etc another N900 :-P |
| 10:43.39 | jacekowski | well, it looks like nolo can boot from usb |
| 10:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | getbootmode? setbootmode? |
| 10:44.37 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: naturally? |
| 10:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | s/mode/state |
| 10:44.50 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: it can load a kernel, initrd |
| 10:46.26 | jacekowski | not that kind of usb boot |
| 10:46.31 | jacekowski | like from mass storage device |
| 10:46.45 | jacekowski | but thing is that it's not detecting usb host |
| 10:46.59 | Stskeeps | uhm, from mass storage device? |
| 10:47.11 | Stskeeps | maybe the 770 was capable of that |
| 10:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you know where and how R&D is actually changing the way upstart/dsme/whatever is booting up the device? |
| 10:47.25 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: mostly in init scripts an based on what getbootstate says |
| 10:47.29 | Stskeeps | or cal-tool |
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| 10:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | cal-tool, aah thanks |
| 10:48.56 | jacekowski | bme is reading r&d mode flags as well iirc |
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| 10:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | would be interesting to know why |
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| 10:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hmhmhm, seem to remember I did a grep across whole device for "cal-tool -u" "cal-tool --get-usb" and no hits |
| 10:56.12 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, does your modified fmtxd ignore headphone checks? |
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| 11:00.56 | peb | Hi folks, anyone have a good candidate for the N900 a la iTunes? Songbird seems to have changed into Jailbird, but no install-candidate (on the Linux/Ubuntu side). Need a good app that can handle podcasts / sync of them. |
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| 11:01.26 | tobis87 | I'm using compcache on my n900 and I read that applying http://compcache.googlecode.com/files/patch_swap_notify_core_support_2.6.29.diff to the kernel would increase performance. But would a compiled kernel under scratchbox be still compatible with the kernel modules which are already on the n900? If so, could someone do this for me? Because I failed to install scratchbox on my old linux pc, I compiled compcache on the device with kernel-he |
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| 11:05.42 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ping |
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| 11:12.26 | tobis87 | compcache-0.6.2 works fine with backing store set to /dev/mmcblk0p3, so I just wondered if it could perform even better. |
| 11:12.30 | kerio | jacekowski: is your modified fmtxd available as a package? |
| 11:12.57 | kerio | and will it work with fm-radio? |
| 11:18.49 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, fmtx =! fmrx |
| 11:19.04 | tybollt | ORLY? |
| 11:19.05 | kerio | oic |
| 11:19.17 | tybollt | tx == rx -- of course everyone knows that! |
| 11:19.28 | MohammadAG51 | tybollt == troll |
| 11:19.33 | MohammadAG51 | everyone knows that too :P |
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| 11:21.57 | tybollt | MohammadAG51 == Captain obvious, everyone knows that :) |
| 11:22.13 | MohammadAG51 | zing |
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| 11:23.33 | tybollt | =) |
| 11:24.09 | jacekowski | kerio: no it's not |
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| 11:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | "=!" != "!=" |
| 11:31.03 | tybollt | ! |
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| 11:37.30 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Yes, wiki.maemo.org is currently slow, to dead slow, to dead |
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| 11:37.51 | PhonicUK | anyone tried the VLC port? |
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| 11:38.53 | MohammadAG51 | PhonicUK, has it progressed? |
| 11:39.00 | PhonicUK | apparently |
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| 11:39.10 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 11:39.16 | PhonicUK | i saw something about it recently |
| 11:39.21 | PhonicUK | on one of the meego wikis |
| 11:39.27 | PhonicUK | /news sites |
| 11:39.30 | PhonicUK | which I now can't find |
| 11:39.52 | PhonicUK | http://meegoportal.com/ |
| 11:40.29 | PhonicUK | from July 4th :\ |
| 11:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | weird - seems public bashing helps a lot. Wiki pretty fast this very moment |
| 11:44.47 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if Akamai has a module for gathering IRC complaints survey to autoconfig the load balancers |
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| 11:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | odds are the performance goes down the drain again, as soon as I revert the /topic :-D |
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| 11:55.26 | alterego | Almost 6k downloads, 0 donations :) |
| 11:56.12 | Kegetys | donations dont make you rich |
| 11:56.39 | alterego | I'd be happy with a pound to be honest. |
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| 11:58.08 | achipa | alterego: donations are difficult as they are disconnected from app handling... so you really-really have to want to donate to remember & do it on the desktop |
| 11:58.45 | achipa | even superpopular apps like easy-debian have not made more than a round of beer... |
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| 12:00.17 | cehteh | mmhm ... while being at it .. is there meanwhile a usable email (imap) client for the n900? |
| 12:00.40 | cehteh | imap idle, notifications on certain folders only ... |
| 12:02.31 | alterego | achipa: my button is in the settings ui, pretty obvious :) |
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| 12:03.49 | achipa | alterego: people are simply not used to it unless prodded, which is again bad for other reasons. Sad, but that's how it is |
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| 12:09.56 | alterego | yeah |
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| 12:15.08 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, so you didn't try to put the truth in your signature? |
| 12:15.17 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, I mean the donations :-P |
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| 12:16.21 | alterego | D-Iivil_Work: ? |
| 12:16.27 | alterego | what signature? :P |
| 12:16.45 | D-Iivil_Work | alterego, remember when we talked about adding the donation link to signature saying "send me money, I'm homeless and broke" :P |
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| 12:17.14 | alterego | Oh hah, no, I don't have any signature on tmo |
| 12:17.22 | alterego | anyhow bbl |
| 12:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | anybody a clue why description in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.1/ looks so utterly crappy (* is removed, linebreaks removed)? Is that a bug in the webpage CSS, or could I improve something in control file description text (e.g add any <tag>s)? |
| 12:18.49 | akshey | From where can I get the demo version of JoikuSpot for N900 ? |
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| 12:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | original description in control file: ""**61*<number>**<time-in-seconds,5,10,..,30># : set up redirect"" -- webpage (link above): ""*61*# : set up redirect"". :-/ |
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| 12:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | wonder how easily you could iject rogue js code to the webpage this way :-( |
| 12:26.07 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: I think you're supposed to use a dot for new empty lines |
| 12:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: empty lines are my least problem |
| 12:26.55 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: also, * is a special char... though probably not in the case when used as there |
| 12:28.00 | nid0 | DocScrutinizer try it - just upload any software thatll build with a control file containing a js iframe or something, and see if/how it parses |
| 12:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: compare nice description in details in starhash-enabler in HAM to the illegible crap displayed on webpage |
| 12:28.18 | achipa | alterego: there was this idea that we should keep a common donations pool that would then be distributed as per download ratios |
| 12:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: I suppose if I add special escapes and tags to correct webpage rendering, it will ruin display in ham |
| 12:29.46 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: don't bother with the web page... testers won't hold it against you :) |
| 12:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | of course I could use <br> instead of newline |
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| 12:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: anyway, you think it's a bug in webpage generating/processing/rendering then? |
| 12:33.17 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: prolly. Though as said, the description is not to specs either (newlines, line length, etc) |
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| 12:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | what are the specs then? |
| 12:33.50 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: not <br>, you should put in a dot with a space in front |
| 12:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | where?? why? |
| 12:34.10 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: the debian packaging standard |
| 12:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | I got two lines like " --" ok could change these two lines to " ." if you think that's better |
| 12:34.36 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: instead of the --, because those are the deb format specs |
| 12:35.19 | achipa | it's not the question as to if it's better, the question is if you want to follow the Debian packaging guidelines or not :) |
| 12:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly I don't see any spec forbidding a line like "--" |
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| 12:36.16 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description |
| 12:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's something like email format? maybe I should make this "---" then? |
| 12:37.16 | achipa | no... this is just... debian... |
| 12:37.19 | achipa | :) |
| 12:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: thanks a lot. helpful link :-) |
| 12:38.11 | achipa | yw |
| 12:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | still doesn't explain the frigging parsing/deletion of "*" and "<foo>" |
| 12:40.11 | Corsac | <> is present in the source |
| 12:40.23 | Corsac | |Some useful codes: |
| 12:40.23 | Corsac | | *</em>61<em><number></em>*<time-in-seconds,5,10,..,30># : set up redirect to <number> after <seconds> ringing |
| 12:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 12:42.49 | Corsac | (which means <script> would likely work too, since the engine don't escape them) |
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| 12:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's definitely wicked |
| 12:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | I gather <em> is something like escape-mode? |
| 12:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: nice find |
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| 12:47.23 | Corsac | not, it's emphasis |
| 12:47.26 | Corsac | no* |
| 12:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I see |
| 12:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | Service Codes like <em>67# call redirect -- first replacement of "*" by <em>. Then everything goes nuts after that |
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| 12:48.56 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: that's some midgard/wiki/whatever kicking in |
| 12:49.03 | Corsac | yeah |
| 12:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | and <foo> fields are not escaped |
| 12:49.21 | Corsac | that's because some BBcode or related will interpret * as bold sign |
| 12:49.25 | Corsac | like *bold* |
| 12:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:49.50 | DocScrutinizer | friggin "lemme do that for you" BBcode shit |
| 12:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if a <pre> </pre> bracket could maybe help |
| 12:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | should go to the CSS or whatever though |
| 12:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | (webcoding noob here) |
| 12:51.22 | Corsac | what puzzles me is that it won't allow * to propagate to browser, but will gladly allow <> |
| 12:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | daft |
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| 12:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyay, form http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description: >>Those starting with two or more spaces. These will be displayed verbatim.<< Wonder if the engine doing that cruft will honor it |
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| 12:53.30 | achipa | a beer that it won't |
| 12:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) |
| 12:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, won't. most likely |
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| 12:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | who's maintaining that particular webpage layout? |
| 12:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | and the BB(?) engine behind? |
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| 12:56.24 | achipa | Niels or Bergie |
| 12:56.37 | achipa | (but that's just guess) |
| 12:57.24 | steinex | should filetransfer work from gtalk transport? |
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| 12:57.29 | steinex | ECHAN, sorry |
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| 12:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | quick fix: add correct unmangled description as a comment :-P |
| 12:57.51 | bergie | achipa: which site? |
| 12:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.1/ |
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| 12:58.46 | tybollt | hmm dualbooting into nitdroid |
| 12:58.50 | tybollt | Could be fun =) |
| 12:59.05 | tybollt | MohammadAG51: tried nitdroid`? |
| 12:59.20 | achipa | bergie: some BB/midgard/wiki/etc code seeps into the package descriptions |
| 12:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | bergie: "" **61*<number>**<time-in-seconds,5,10,..,30># : set up redirect to <number> after <seconds> ringing"" renders as ""*61*# : set up redirect to after ringing"" |
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| 13:01.00 | bergie | this may be because they're rendered via Markdown |
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| 13:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | wonder how a text explaining html and BB tags would look like :-P |
| 13:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | or some embedded js code example |
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| 13:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | bergie: anyway as that's the description showing up verbatim in HAM, I can't use any escaping or whatever to format it nicely for the web. So probably the webpage layout and / or engine creating that should be fixed |
| 13:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | the way it looks right now is utterly disgusting |
| 13:05.07 | bergie | DocScrutinizer: ok, that is an easy fix. Can you post a bug (and assign to Niels?) |
| 13:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, guess you could share URL to trac to get me started right away? |
| 13:06.03 | kirma | frankencamera seems pretty nifty (based on reading) |
| 13:06.26 | kerio | did someone make fcamera work with the kernel-power? |
| 13:06.44 | bergie | DocScrutinizer: use Maemo bugzilla, product Website |
| 13:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 13:07.09 | kirma | I had been looking at different parts, starting from hardware and ending gstreamer to accomplish something similar, it's nice that someone actually worked out a reasonable framework for this kind of precise imaging control instead of what's achievably nicely through gstreamer... |
| 13:07.22 | bergie | though the actual code is in http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/org.maemo.packages |
| 13:07.29 | kirma | kerio: I suppose it's being worked at... |
| 13:07.31 | kerio | i really cba to install a full toolchain |
| 13:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | WILL SOMEBODY UPDATE THAT CERT PLEASE? |
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| 13:08.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ONLY TERRORISTS USE ENCRYPTION |
| 13:08.14 | kerio | ARE YOU A TERRORIST |
| 13:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org |
| 13:08.20 | bergie | DocScrutinizer: and the actual issue comes from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/org.maemo.packages/config/schemadb_package_default.inc#L43 |
| 13:08.38 | kirma | I especially like the possibility of 12 fps raw burst capability if it's really available on fcam as the paper suggests |
| 13:08.48 | kirma | I mean, 12 fps at full resolution |
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| 13:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | bergie: I'll copy to ticket verbatim |
| 13:09.41 | Corsac | kirma: I see single/burst of 4/best of 8 |
| 13:10.44 | kirma | ehm? what you mean? |
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| 13:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | bergie: I'll leave it to somebody more savvy to tag the right version, component, platform etc |
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| 13:13.18 | Corsac | kirma: atm in fcam |
| 13:13.33 | Corsac | I can do single shots, burst of 4, or âbest of 8â |
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| 13:15.43 | kirma | corsac: I'd guess those are limitations of some specific application implemented on top of fcam, not the API itself (?) |
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| 13:16.08 | kirma | those numbers are reasonably sane when considering the amount of memory a raw sensor image consumes |
| 13:16.27 | kirma | but I'd hope they're not hardcoded limits |
| 13:17.27 | SpeedEvil | The hardware may well have fundamental limits in the amount of RAM the functional unit can address easily |
| 13:17.40 | SpeedEvil | Or queue limitations that are not easily worked round |
| 13:17.58 | SpeedEvil | However - even a 20 frame burst is 100 meg. |
| 13:18.09 | SpeedEvil | that is a hell of a lot of memory to preallocate |
| 13:20.47 | ShadowJK | N810 would frequently blow up when I tried using mencoder to dump frames, until I realized mencoder was trying to allocate a v4l buffer :) |
| 13:22.01 | kirma | welll. I don't mean "burst" in the sense that it should absolutely, necessarily be scheduled and locked to memory at a start of a long burst... more "soft", best-effort attitude would be enough |
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| 13:22.45 | kerio | SpeedEvil: malloc(100*1024*1024)? |
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| 13:23.06 | kirma | "try to maintain sufficient amount of buffers and process them in sufficient speed after capture; return buffers to be reused by later images and hope maximum frame rate can be maintained by keeping pipeline non-empty" |
| 13:23.43 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Sure. But 20 frames is an indicative amount - you certainly can't do 50 this way |
| 13:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | bergie: niels@???? |
| 13:24.42 | kerio | SpeedEvil: malloc(250*1024*1024) |
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| 13:25.19 | kerio | :3 |
| 13:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-23 15:05:06] <bergie> DocScrutinizer: ok, that is an easy fix. Can you post a bug (and assign to Niels?) |
| 13:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | bergie: niels@???? |
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| 13:25.49 | drizztbsd | DocScrutinizer: bug, not mail |
| 13:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: thanks :-S |
| 13:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | Assign To: marcell.lengyel@nokia.com |
| 13:26.54 | SpeedEvil | kerio: 5MP *50 runs out of RAM |
| 13:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I may not assign anyway, so screwit |
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| 13:27.48 | kerio | SpeedEvil: on a somewhat related note, i'm still somewhat disappointed by the lack of 512mb of ram |
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| 13:28.10 | kerio | i also like to say "somewhat" |
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| 13:29.16 | kirma | lack of 512MB of RAM stems firstly from the non-availability of 512MB RAM option on stacked-package options for the SoC at the time of design |
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| 13:29.18 | SpeedEvil | kerio: you can upgrade the RAM. |
| 13:29.30 | SpeedEvil | All you need is a steady hand, and a gleam of insanity. |
| 13:29.33 | kirma | secondly, probably, price and power usage |
| 13:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | guess it made its way anyway: sent to:... maemo@breet.com, ... |
| 13:30.00 | SpeedEvil | (and probably a couple of dozen packages to test with) |
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| 13:30.25 | Termana | SpeedEvil, please, provide instructions on TMO. That way, the trolls will do it, and then will go away because they won't have a device to complain about |
| 13:30.36 | kirma | RAM is packaged on the same piece of plastic with OMAP3 and root filesystem flash of I'm not mistaken |
| 13:30.40 | kerio | SpeedEvil: i want 16GB of ram! |
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| 13:31.41 | SpeedEvil | kirma: It's not quite |
| 13:31.56 | kirma | hmmh? |
| 13:31.58 | SpeedEvil | kirma: the RAM chip is soldered to the top of the SoC with a high-temperature solder. |
| 13:32.05 | SpeedEvil | kirma: This is then soldered to the PCB |
| 13:32.11 | kirma | oh well, PoP |
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| 13:32.14 | kirma | package-on-package |
| 13:32.16 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 13:32.25 | kirma | but for practical purposes... good luck replacing it |
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| 13:32.53 | SpeedEvil | you can in rinciple unsolder the CPU, unsolder the POP, solder on a new RAM chip, or more wackily an adaptor board, and then resolder teh whole lot |
| 13:33.13 | SpeedEvil | You can also in principle upgrade to an 850MHz CPU this way too. |
| 13:33.16 | SpeedEvil | But... |
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| 13:34.35 | cehteh | mhm .. ram upgrade .. \o/ |
| 13:34.35 | Termana | Alternatively you can solder an x86 motherboard to the front of your N900 - BAM! More CPU speed and RAM. And if you don't think thats any good, you can make it go faster than anything - simply throw it across the room! |
| 13:34.47 | Termana | All this, for just 4 payments of $9.95 |
| 13:34.52 | Termana | Sham..WOW |
| 13:34.55 | Termana | :P |
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| 13:36.14 | kerute | hello |
| 13:36.26 | kerute | i'm trying to install maemo on a beagleboard |
| 13:36.32 | kerute | followed a nice tutorial |
| 13:37.02 | kerute | but when i boot, xorg crash with "Couldn't open compiled keymap file /var/cache/xkb/server-default.xkm" |
| 13:37.14 | kerute | anybody can help please ? |
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| 13:38.01 | cehteh | is that file there? |
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| 13:43.29 | kerute | cehteh, nope i dont know where to find it |
| 13:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | I notice it's Friday :-P |
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| 13:44.07 | cehteh | friday is fryday :) |
| 13:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 13:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | welcome to our ram extension BBQ |
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| 13:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need a sledgehammer, a 500W laser, some nanites, and a pangalactic gargleblaster. And of course 30 minutes of spare time |
| 13:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | and next week we tell you what you can still do with the junk remaining |
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| 13:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | here we go: 1. step: install power kernel, OC to 1.5GHz and wait till SoC falls off the PCB. If after 30 min no progress, use sledgehammer to help |
| 13:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | step 2: cut PoP into two thin slices with the laser |
| 13:52.42 | SpeedEvil | The above is in principle possible. However - in practice I would expect a yield of no better than 80% for a skilled operative experienced in doing the above procedure. |
| 13:52.54 | toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: so I was thinking about overclocking my n900, what are your thoughts? |
| 13:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | step 3: place new 1GB ram slice on SoC slice, open glass with nanites and instruct them to connect the 978 solder points. Now it's time you have a sip of gargleblaster |
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| 13:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on OM we had yields of ~30% on such operations, but with much smaller BGA |
| 13:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | and it's incredibly hard not to ruin the PBBA and components next to the rework |
| 13:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | PCBA |
| 13:56.52 | GAN900 | I want some nanites. |
| 13:56.53 | kerio | wtf |
| 13:57.02 | kerio | shift+fn+z and shift+fn+x are the same for me now |
| 13:57.03 | kerio | :/ |
| 13:57.26 | Stskeeps | GAN900: was your dell mini a gma500? |
| 13:57.36 | achipa | geez... tell me that's not it or my (already non-existant) hopes for Ovi will be shattered... |
| 13:57.40 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, 950? |
| 13:57.45 | GAN900 | Mini 9 |
| 13:57.51 | kerio | why does that happen? |
| 13:57.52 | kerio | WHYYYYYYYYY |
| 13:57.57 | GAN900 | I don't think MeeGo supports it :rolleyes: |
| 13:58.04 | achipa | http://blog.ovi.com/2010/07/23/ovis-new-original-comic-series-old-school/ |
| 13:58.10 | GAN900 | So the MeeGo sticker I've got on it is kind of ironic. |
| 13:58.12 | achipa | a friggin comic, of all things |
| 13:58.13 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.13 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.17 | kerio | two different things, ffs |
| 13:58.21 | Stskeeps | GAN900: joggler with GMA500: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI |
| 13:58.25 | Stskeeps | (worth a watch) |
| 13:58.36 | GAN900 | EDGE |
| 13:58.42 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 13:58.44 | Stskeeps | bookmark for later |
| 13:58.54 | GAN900 | (Damn Nokia and their anti-US practices) |
| 13:59.18 | Stskeeps | it's a video of a gma500 based device running netbook ux |
| 13:59.28 | Stskeeps | without obvious glitches |
| 14:00.12 | kerio | can someone replicate this, please? |
| 14:00.21 | kerio | what do you get if you do shift+fn+z and shift+fn+x? |
| 14:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: (shift+fn+z and shift+fn+x are the same for me now) matrix fsckd up. hw flaw |
| 14:01.13 | kerio | :( |
| 14:01.16 | kerio | no way to fix i imagine |
| 14:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 14:01.24 | kerio | ok, screw shift+fn+z then |
| 14:01.41 | peb | Kerio: shift+fn+z: phone application |
| 14:01.48 | kerio | peb: huh^ |
| 14:01.57 | peb | Kerio: shift+fn+x: contacts (all of them) |
| 14:02.11 | kerio | using weird macros? |
| 14:02.27 | peb | tiny fingers on the normal N900 (main) screen |
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| 14:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: Nokia, it their eternal wisdom, decided to have none of the spare 3 matrix GPIO connected to qualifier keys exclusively - rather leave them unused and place qualkeys in matrix like usual keys -> result 2 key rollover is best you can get working reliably |
| 14:03.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 30% doesn't surprise |
| 14:03.44 | kerio | fucking assholes :( |
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| 14:03.49 | GAN900 | Hehehe |
| 14:03.58 | GAN900 | I love Nokia's hardware people |
| 14:04.03 | GAN900 | It's always something. |
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| 14:05.03 | kerio | shift+fn+j/k is the same, again |
| 14:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | I considered to open a few hardware ticket on trac, but meh |
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| 14:05.39 | kerio | huh, these are the only shift+fn combos that don't work |
| 14:05.39 | kerio | whew |
| 14:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | believe me there's quite a few more |
| 14:06.30 | kerio | i just tried |
| 14:06.31 | kerio | :| |
| 14:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | well esp with ctrl |
| 14:06.48 | kerio | oh |
| 14:06.58 | GAN900 | trac? |
| 14:06.59 | kerio | heh, i bet ctrl+[ will not work well |
| 14:07.05 | kerio | ctrl+fn+shift+x for me |
| 14:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | ctl+sh, ctrl+Fn |
| 14:07.31 | peb | Kerio, you made a map of all the shortcuts and the result? |
| 14:07.52 | kerio | no, just shift+fn+key |
| 14:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl+fn+shift+x should give you even 2 more phantom keys pressed |
| 14:08.01 | kerio | shift+fn+z/x is the same |
| 14:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | at very least |
| 14:08.09 | kerio | and so is shift+fn+j/k |
| 14:08.20 | kerio | other key combinations appear to work ok |
| 14:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: check out schematics, page 7. if 2 keys are pressed same time, there's always a few other keys that can't be detected anymore |
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| 14:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | no more bat low warnings in PR1.2?? |
| 14:16.17 | Stskeeps | eh? i get them all the time |
| 14:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | (or has bme recognized it's me and refuses to work for me? :-P) |
| 14:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin here. Piouuuu blengbogglebleng -> device off |
| 14:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | no prior warning |
| 14:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 14:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | .o0(???) |
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| 14:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | how to debug that now?? |
| 14:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | hates bme!! |
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| 14:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | or hal-addon-bme? or mce? or dsme? or batmeter? wtf *are* the building blocks and belts and gears creating these warning notifiers |
| 14:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | guess I'll send in to Nokia for repair :-P |
| 14:22.50 | E0x | hehe |
| 14:23.11 | SpeedEvil | I get warning bleeps/bongs |
| 14:23.13 | SpeedEvil | (1.2) |
| 14:23.16 | E0x | i get notification when bat is low |
| 14:23.19 | E0x | in pr1.2 |
| 14:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe that's related to the schroedinger state of charging, when connected to wallcharger but failed to detect? |
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| 14:25.34 | E0x | shiranai |
| 14:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | k, it charged for maybe 20min now. Time to remove charger and watch it going down in "normal" situation |
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| 14:42.44 | crashanddie_ | greetings, bitches |
| 14:42.54 | ham5 | get cut |
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| 14:43.18 | Termana | I see someone hasn't taken their pills today |
| 14:43.28 | crashanddie_ | ham5: i love you too |
| 14:43.45 | crashanddie_ | ham5: is that a nick to mock the technology show? |
| 14:44.06 | ham5 | ugh no |
| 14:44.29 | E0x | for exactly is the Advanced Geocaching Tool ? |
| 14:44.45 | ham5 | geocaching! |
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| 14:44.56 | E0x | ham5: what is geocacaching ? |
| 14:44.59 | ham5 | google it |
| 14:45.01 | crashanddie_ | Termana, hey, my pills are fine. They told me this morning |
| 14:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict geocaching |
| 14:45.11 | E0x | Geocaching is a treasure hunting game where you use a GPS to hide and seek containers with other participants in the activity. ? |
| 14:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | surprise surprise |
| 14:45.21 | ham5 | tada! |
| 14:45.44 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 14:45.48 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 14:45.49 | E0x | thx |
| 14:45.56 | ham5 | yw |
| 14:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | wanna see infobot lying? |
| 14:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 14:47.13 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 15 18:08:13 2010, there have been 90 modifications, 505 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 283 commands. I have been awake for 7d 20h 38m 59s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 22340 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 19289.49/674.88 child 0/0.02 |
| 14:47.14 | ham5 | could we??? |
| 14:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | 0 morons - impossible! |
| 14:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | o fsck. 0 factoids again |
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| 14:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke ibot |
| 14:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I had the feeling she's gone :-/ |
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| 16:32.35 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Yes, wiki.maemo.org is currently slow, to dead slow, to dead |
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| 16:32.37 | Andy80 | btw... looking better here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lastgo/0.2.1-4/ in the list you can find libqtm-multimedia too.... and it's installed in my friend N900... so I don't understamd why he gets that error about that lib missing.. |
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| 16:33.43 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Also - I can't seem to find the modest source |
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| 16:36.57 | rlinfati | any idea how use the n800 ( or n900 ) as a touchpad device for pc running linux... similar to a draw tablet |
| 16:39.30 | tripzero | rlinfati, bluemaemo? |
| 16:39.45 | rlinfati | nop.... work as mouse only |
| 16:39.47 | tripzero | iirc, you can use the n900 as a input device mouse/keyboard for another machine |
| 16:40.28 | tripzero | what do you mean by touchpad if it's not another mouse-device? |
| 16:41.31 | luke-jr | ... |
| 16:41.34 | rlinfati | as a wacom bamboo |
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| 16:43.13 | dunz0r | Is the pager less available for maemo btw? |
| 16:43.18 | dunz0r | I can't find it anywhere. |
| 16:43.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:43.34 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install less |
| 16:43.39 | SpeedEvil | with the right repos installed |
| 16:43.45 | SpeedEvil | try just extras |
| 16:44.09 | dunz0r | SpeedEvil: Ok, I think I have those, and have tried previously but trying again just to be sure. |
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| 16:44.45 | SpeedEvil | the application manager does not show up some packages |
| 16:44.57 | dunz0r | I know. |
| 16:45.16 | dunz0r | Did apt-get install less and it says it can't find it. |
| 16:45.25 | dunz0r | I have extras and extras-devel iirc. |
| 16:46.21 | dunz0r | s/devel/testing/ |
| 16:46.30 | dunz0r | Exactly :) |
| 16:47.01 | ShadowJK | sdk tools repo |
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| 16:47.26 | dunz0r | ShadowJK: Thanks. |
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| 16:58.38 | Bluewind | how can I get a list of packages I upgraded before the last reboot? (apt-get) |
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| 17:00.55 | SpeedEvil | http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20100723/516/video-game-processors-help-lower-ct-scan-radiation.htm - interesting |
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| 17:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for asking here, but are the 3 (5 incl blank) lines in debian/changelog supposed to be edited, or new lines for a new version appended, for version change of a package? |
| 17:38.23 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: you never edit what's published. you only create new versions. |
| 17:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | that means copy the 5 lines, append, edit for new version? |
| 17:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | (like the name changelog of the file suggests :-P) |
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| 17:41.24 | achipa | there is actually a dh_<tab><tab> command for that |
| 17:42.17 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: you want dch -i or smth |
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| 17:42.44 | h4xordood | heya :) |
| 17:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'll try editing anyway |
| 17:43.13 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: try dch. it autoappends everything but changes text. |
| 17:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | is it interactive? |
| 17:43.36 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: yeah, it's too easy to mess up a date or smth and the the autobuilder will barf |
| 17:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 17:43.53 | achipa | depends on your definition of interactive ;) |
| 17:44.01 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: it will launch $EDITOR |
| 17:44.24 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: heck, just run dch -i ! |
| 17:44.35 | ioan | Hi. I bought angry birds level pack 2 from ovi and installed. where do I find the deb on the phone to save it for later use? |
| 17:45.09 | slonopotamus | ioan: you don't :) that's insecure |
| 17:45.26 | slonopotamus | ioan: you might go and give it to everyone around |
| 17:45.27 | ioan | I have the last level pack saved |
| 17:45.35 | ioan | yeah right |
| 17:45.58 | h4xordood | hey from where i can get maemo firmware |
| 17:46.00 | h4xordood | ? |
| 17:46.00 | ioan | anyone knows? |
| 17:46.10 | h4xordood | for e.g i try meego and fail |
| 17:46.12 | Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com -> h4xordood |
| 17:46.23 | h4xordood | and then i want back maemo on n900 |
| 17:46.27 | slonopotamus | ioan: there's no _official_ way of saving it, i think |
| 17:46.36 | h4xordood | can i do that ? or phone will be bricked ? |
| 17:46.40 | ioan | anyone knows where the browser saves the debs before calling the app manager? |
| 17:46.52 | slonopotamus | ioan: /tmp? |
| 17:46.54 | h4xordood | ioan, firefox |
| 17:46.58 | h4xordood | ? |
| 17:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 17:48.58 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: you tried dch? :) |
| 17:50.36 | h4xordood | Stskeeps, thanks :) |
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| 17:52.29 | luke-jr | ponders making a self-contained kernel+initcellmo+gps blob so people can test easier? |
| 17:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: yes, thanks |
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| 17:52.53 | kW_ | Hello, does anybody know how exactly osso-camera-ui determines the filenames of the images to be stored? |
| 17:53.46 | slonopotamus_ | DocScrutinizer: if you answered anything, i didn't receive it :P |
| 17:53.50 | ioan | so the only solution for me is to find the deb somewhere on the internet and then save it? :-) I mean that is not stealing, I already paid for it and it's mine |
| 17:54.00 | luke-jr | kW_: pretty sure osso-camera-ui is obsolete now |
| 17:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: yes, thanks |
| 17:54.38 | slonopotamus_ | ioan: it isn't yours :) when smth is yours you can do anything you want with it |
| 17:54.50 | luke-jr | slonopotamus_: he has a license |
| 17:54.58 | luke-jr | slonopotamus_: Fair Use gives him the right to keep a backup |
| 17:55.36 | slonopotamus_ | luke-jr: yeah, (in some countries) |
| 17:55.53 | slonopotamus_ | luke-jr: but Fair Use doesn't force seller to provide easy ways of doing a backup |
| 17:56.56 | h4xordood | how can i know which maemo release is installed on my phone ? |
| 17:57.05 | luke-jr | Settings |
| 17:57.15 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: to be honest, changelogs are crap. VCS are much better |
| 17:57.33 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: apples and oranges |
| 17:57.34 | kW_ | luke-jr: oh, so which app actually takes the photos? |
| 17:57.40 | luke-jr | kW_: fcamera |
| 17:57.50 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: wrong. |
| 17:58.05 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: NO U |
| 17:58.15 | h4xordood | ah okay got that :) |
| 17:58.24 | h4xordood | thnx |
| 17:59.00 | kW_ | juergbi: does fcamera implement all features of osso-camera-ui? |
| 17:59.51 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: at least i knew how to handle them :D |
| 18:00.06 | slonopotamus | s/:D/:P/ |
| 18:00.13 | slonopotamus | :D :P |
| 18:00.37 | kW_ | luke-jr: does fcamera implement all features of osso-camera-ui? |
| 18:02.39 | luke-jr | kW_: nfc |
| 18:02.41 | luke-jr | never used it |
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| 18:03.32 | kW_ | luke-jr: now, having fcamera installed, when opening the camera lid, I just get a "operation failed" message |
| 18:03.41 | luke-jr | kW_: I hear you need to reboot |
| 18:04.34 | kW_ | luke-jr: I did |
| 18:04.45 | luke-jr | kW_: you have PR 1.2, right? |
| 18:05.06 | kW_ | yes |
| 18:05.10 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 18:05.11 | luke-jr | sucks to be you |
| 18:05.13 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 18:05.24 | kW_ | ? |
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| 18:05.59 | luke-jr | kW_: that's "works for me", except it didn't work for me |
| 18:07.06 | kW_ | luke-jr: so it also does not work for you? |
| 18:07.15 | luke-jr | no, but I use a custom kernel |
| 18:07.23 | luke-jr | which is presumably not compatible with the binpkg |
| 18:07.32 | trumee | Nokia N900 sucks even on freeswitch |
| 18:07.48 | luke-jr | trumee: todl you |
| 18:08.09 | trumee | luke-jr: i called the voice mail box and get jitters even there |
| 18:08.35 | luke-jr | trumee: sounds like your network is at fault |
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| 18:08.45 | ShadowJK | fcamera is more of a sample app isn't it |
| 18:08.46 | trumee | luke-jr: i am still setting it up, but the initial impression isnt good |
| 18:08.53 | ShadowJK | enormousl useful for photographists though |
| 18:08.57 | ShadowJK | more so than the default camera app |
| 18:09.00 | trumee | luke-jr: i turned wlan power saving off but that didnt help |
| 18:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | meh, *#-0.2 version is like 0.1 |
| 18:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | x.x |
| 18:09.21 | trumee | luke-jr: what do you mean my network is a fault. i dont know how to correct it? |
| 18:09.32 | luke-jr | trumee: mtr shows no issues? |
| 18:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | and still says "missing bugtracker link" |
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| 18:10.06 | trumee | luke-jr: how i check with that? |
| 18:10.10 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:10.19 | luke-jr | hostA> mtr hostB |
| 18:10.43 | luke-jr | disclaimer: everything I say assumes you're running Gentoo |
| 18:10.52 | trumee | luke-jr: yup, i use gentoo :) |
| 18:10.58 | luke-jr | on your N900 |
| 18:11.13 | trumee | luke-jr: i wish so. |
| 18:11.22 | luke-jr | trumee: don't. every other WM sucks |
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| 18:11.35 | luke-jr | and AFAIK the Maemo5 one isn't in Portage yet |
| 18:11.50 | luke-jr | KDE just isn't designed well for fingers :( |
| 18:11.52 | ioan | anyone using the silicon case for n900? is it any good? |
| 18:12.04 | ShadowJK | "the silocon case" |
| 18:12.08 | ShadowJK | um, silicon.. |
| 18:12.17 | trumee | luke-jr: i like portage more than i like apt |
| 18:12.18 | ShadowJK | I only knew of cp321 |
| 18:12.21 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, new compound. |
| 18:12.30 | ShadowJK | is that a brand? |
| 18:12.35 | trumee | luke-jr: so where do i get mtr for N900? |
| 18:12.35 | luke-jr | trumee: you're welcome to join me in my Gentoo port |
| 18:12.46 | luke-jr | trumee: like I said, everything I say assumes you're running Gentoo on N900 |
| 18:12.47 | luke-jr | :p |
| 18:12.52 | trumee | luke-jr: you have a Gentoo port!! |
| 18:12.57 | ioan | ShadowJK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250582533190 |
| 18:12.58 | luke-jr | :) |
| 18:13.09 | luke-jr | not very well documented yet |
| 18:13.26 | luke-jr | wonders if the Gentoo overlay guys ever added it to the main layman list |
| 18:13.41 | trumee | luke-jr: hmm. where is it hosted? |
| 18:13.50 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900 |
| 18:14.00 | luke-jr | just has overlay, kernel, and binpkgs for now |
| 18:14.13 | luke-jr | please don't sue me for not hosting a source mirror |
| 18:14.14 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 18:14.58 | trumee | luke-jr: i need a memory card for this i guess? |
| 18:15.07 | luke-jr | trumee: or partition the internal eMMC |
| 18:15.44 | trumee | luke-jr: hmm. i will keep the eMMC as it is. is there a lilo for N900? |
| 18:15.50 | luke-jr | no |
| 18:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | is it normal for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/xxxxx to show the description of prev pkg version, when pkg is built but not yet imported? |
| 18:15.54 | luke-jr | LILO has been obsolete for decades |
| 18:16.05 | kerio | trumee: bootmenu-n900 |
| 18:16.05 | trumee | luke-jr: how do you multiboot |
| 18:16.08 | luke-jr | apt-get install bootmenu-n900 |
| 18:16.12 | luke-jr | or something like that |
| 18:16.15 | trumee | luke-jr: i see. |
| 18:16.18 | kerio | opens up if you keep the kbd slide open |
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| 18:16.23 | kerio | on boot time |
| 18:16.54 | trumee | luke-jr: could you create a binary for ekiga |
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| 18:17.04 | luke-jr | trumee: ...no |
| 18:17.12 | luke-jr | I have no intention of installing GTK |
| 18:17.35 | trumee | luke-jr: i need an alternative sip client |
| 18:17.46 | luke-jr | Asterisk? <.< |
| 18:17.52 | luke-jr | QuteCom? |
| 18:17.56 | trumee | luke-jr: sip client, not a sip server! |
| 18:18.04 | luke-jr | Asterisk has a Console device! |
| 18:18.27 | trumee | luke-jr: QuteCom sounds interesting |
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| 18:18.49 | luke-jr | trumee: maybe try the Telepathy-Qt4 sample client ;) |
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| 18:19.23 | trumee | luke-jr: i am sick of telepathy |
| 18:19.28 | luke-jr | O.o |
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| 18:20.04 | trumee | luke-jr: i need something which N900 doesnt use. |
| 18:20.11 | luke-jr | :) |
| 18:20.11 | kakashi_ | I think I have a small issue |
| 18:20.13 | luke-jr | QuteCom then |
| 18:20.17 | kakashi_ | I have the latest firmware |
| 18:20.19 | trumee | luke-jr: so is Qutecom based on qt? |
| 18:20.22 | luke-jr | ofc |
| 18:20.23 | kakashi_ | but I don't have skype |
| 18:21.21 | luke-jr | kakashi_: Skype isn't an application, it's a protocol for the Phone app |
| 18:21.21 | trumee | luke-jr: Qutecom isnt in portage? |
| 18:21.22 | luke-jr | it is... I think |
| 18:21.54 | luke-jr | trumee: btw, an alternate option to eMMC or SD is (what I did): eMMC for root, SD for swap+/var/tmp |
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| 18:22.09 | kakashi_ | luke-jr, how do i add the protocol to the Phone App? |
| 18:22.15 | luke-jr | kakashi_: Accounts |
| 18:22.23 | trumee | luke-jr: my emmc is full of music atm |
| 18:22.27 | luke-jr | trumee: o lol |
| 18:22.40 | kakashi_ | luke-jr, accounts doesn't show skype as a valid protocol |
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| 18:22.44 | luke-jr | good |
| 18:22.45 | luke-jr | Skype sucks |
| 18:23.04 | kakashi_ | well, it might, but I have an account and loads of contacts |
| 18:23.05 | kakashi_ | :| |
| 18:23.22 | luke-jr | I'd suggest telling them all to use something standard |
| 18:23.25 | luke-jr | but nothing standard really works |
| 18:23.32 | luke-jr | of course, neither does Skype... |
| 18:23.47 | kakashi_ | hmm... |
| 18:24.04 | kakashi_ | well, skype.com says go to ovi.com and search |
| 18:24.13 | kakashi_ | and ovi doesn't list skype |
| 18:24.16 | kakashi_ | :| |
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| 18:25.11 | trumee | luke-jr: qutecom depends on pidgin why? |
| 18:25.18 | luke-jr | because Gentoo devs are retarded |
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| 18:25.56 | kakashi_ | btw, does fring support skype? I know about the debate and the fight, but I am not sure of the outcome |
| 18:26.15 | luke-jr | wtf is fring |
| 18:26.43 | trumee | luke-jr: soomebody in #freeswitch suggests i need to disable preemption in ketnel |
| 18:26.56 | trumee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.05 | kakashi_ | http://www.fring.com |
| 18:27.15 | luke-jr | trumee: somebody in #freeswitch sounds stupid, but don't tell them i said that |
| 18:27.34 | kakashi_ | baah! fring says "Skype" banned |
| 18:27.49 | trumee | luke-jr: why do you think so? couldnt this be cpu load related |
| 18:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh, FAIL! hit F5 on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.1/ -> same comment sent again :-S |
| 18:28.19 | luke-jr | trumee: I'm assuming you're following common sense consensus and don't have anything else running on your phone PBX |
| 18:28.43 | trumee | luke-jr: yes. nothing running in the foreground |
| 18:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | but then who cares |
| 18:29.04 | luke-jr | trumee: well, if there's nothing competing for CPU time... |
| 18:29.26 | trumee | luke-jr: so if i install asterisk on N900 and connect N900 sip client to it, you reckon that will better? |
| 18:29.34 | luke-jr | no |
| 18:29.36 | h4xordood | hey tell me if i native install mee go on n900 and couldnt succed then i can get back my maemo working ? |
| 18:29.38 | h4xordood | yes ? |
| 18:29.40 | luke-jr | I meant configure asterisk to *be* a client |
| 18:29.49 | kerio | h4xordood: depends on where |
| 18:29.51 | luke-jr | h4xordood: you get to pick up the pieces |
| 18:30.14 | trumee | luke-jr: yes, but that way i will loose the sip integration of N900 |
| 18:30.26 | h4xordood | didnt understand |
| 18:30.28 | h4xordood | ? |
| 18:30.30 | h4xordood | o_O |
| 18:30.32 | luke-jr | trumee: N900 SIP client works fine, anyway |
| 18:30.38 | luke-jr | trumee: the problem is on your network or PBX |
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| 18:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | funny thing though: update to 0.2 is already available via extras-devel, and webpage still doesn't know about neither new description, nor bugtracker link or l "Package imported" |
| 18:31.02 | trumee | luke-jr: hmm. |
| 18:31.18 | luke-jr | h4xordood: if MeeGo causes your N900 to explode or impregnate your daughter, you can't undo it |
| 18:31.23 | h4xordood | i meant i can again install maemo from firmware |
| 18:31.30 | Mousey | secures meego stickers from oscon goers |
| 18:31.32 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 18:31.50 | h4xordood | ? |
| 18:31.55 | toggles_w | luke-jr: apt-get purge ? |
| 18:32.17 | trumee | luke-jr: i can always try trixbox or something from the dvd |
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| 18:32.56 | alteregoa | huar? |
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| 18:36.34 | zogg_laptop | holla |
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| 18:38.07 | zogg_laptop | just found out while on phone u can't save number using dialpad - have to use separete window =( |
| 18:39.44 | luke-jr | trumee: anyhow, Qutecom has *optional* support for libpidgin for text IM only |
| 18:39.57 | luke-jr | trumee: its core is SIP with non-standard video support |
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| 18:40.26 | trumee | luke-jr: i am installing it on my gentoo box |
| 18:40.43 | trumee | luke-jr: i did have a go at wengo long time ago |
| 18:41.00 | trumee | luke-jr: you plan to create binary of that?/ |
| 18:41.10 | luke-jr | trumee: Qutecom is the former Wengophone |
| 18:41.14 | luke-jr | Wengo stopped sponsoring |
| 18:41.21 | kW_ | Hello, does anybody know how exactly osso-camera-ui determines the filenames of the images to be stored? |
| 18:41.34 | kW_ | luke-jr: (as fcam is not usable, I have to restate the question) |
| 18:41.56 | SpeedEvil | I would start off by hitting it with strace |
| 18:42.08 | SpeedEvil | A couple of hardcoded paths would not surprise me at all |
| 18:42.38 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, I've been already using strace extensively |
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| 18:43.34 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: when switching the camera lid, the camera app starts and says "Memory not accessible. Unable to save content." |
| 18:44.35 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: however, strace does not reveal even access attempts |
| 18:45.20 | tripzero | does maemo have mediatomb yet? |
| 18:45.58 | SpeedEvil | kW_: You can also save to mmc |
| 18:46.11 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, I don't have a MMC inserted (yet) |
| 18:46.15 | SpeedEvil | kW_: Does ... |
| 18:46.29 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.38 | SpeedEvil | And is writable? |
| 18:46.57 | SpeedEvil | IF you have the filessytem mounted as mass storage from USB, you can't take pictures to it. |
| 18:47.28 | ioan | where are the transitions kept? |
| 18:47.37 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/0187v1pC |
| 18:48.40 | kakashi_ | this seems to be weird, when I tried "apt-get install skype-ui-l10n-enus" |
| 18:48.52 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: note that I have much more space than usual on /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ |
| 18:49.13 | SpeedEvil | how? |
| 18:50.03 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: (have a look at http://pastebin.com/dfeJzE9F again) |
| 18:50.16 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: by using the internal flash as root filesystem |
| 18:50.49 | trumee | luke-jr: how big a SD card do i need for your gentoo port? |
| 18:51.10 | luke-jr | trumee: I would suggest at least 8 GB |
| 18:51.17 | luke-jr | my eMMC partition is 10 GB |
| 18:51.25 | luke-jr | my N810's MicroSD is 8 GB |
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| 18:52.14 | RST38h | mooooooooooooooo |
| 18:52.36 | kakashi__ | uh! got myself disconnected |
| 18:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: baaaaaah |
| 18:55.31 | kakashi__ | when I tried "apt-get install skype-ui-l10n-enus" it says skype-ui-l10n-enus has already been installed, while I can't see it anywhere in the accounts. |
| 18:57.52 | SpeedEvil | kW_: ah |
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| 18:57.59 | SpeedEvil | kW_: But it's not. |
| 18:58.02 | kW_ | uh... did anybody of you try to reverse engineer closed-source N900 binaries? |
| 18:58.09 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: but what is not? |
| 18:58.10 | SpeedEvil | kW_: The normal size of MyDocs is about 28G or so |
| 18:58.28 | kakashi__ | can I manually add skype onto the accounts? |
| 18:58.36 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: ah well, you are right... I mean I have a very wide root filesystem, and the images are supposed to be stored just on the root filesystem |
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| 18:59.19 | SpeedEvil | It's probably explicitly checking for /home being mounted. |
| 18:59.22 | SpeedEvil | This is failing |
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| 19:00.36 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well... /home is just there...no need to complain... |
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| 19:05.09 | kakashi__ | is there any other way of using skype? (some sip way?) |
| 19:05.21 | SpeedEvil | kW_: sure. |
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| 19:05.56 | SpeedEvil | kW_: But in normal use - if /home/user/MyDocs is not mounted - that means that the camera cannot write to the fs, as it's been unmounted. |
| 19:07.18 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, I could create a separate ext3 filesystem and mount it over /home/user/MyDocs just for the purpose of having mounted something there... |
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| 19:07.41 | SpeedEvil | I'd try that |
| 19:08.00 | SpeedEvil | it may also be looking for /dev/mmcn in /proc/mounts or something stupid |
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| 19:21.29 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, having a "intermediate partition" between / and /home/user/MyDocs/RealMyDocs mounted on /home/user/MyDocs with just 20MB space and nothing more than symlinks in it actually seems to make the camera application happy... |
| 19:22.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:22.32 | kW_ | (I just created the intermediate partition as a loopback filesystem...) |
| 19:22.36 | SpeedEvil | (well - in principle - :( in terms of closed software) |
| 19:23.19 | kW_ | so, now I need to achieve the next step: have a path from the UI to access the full root filesystem hierarchy |
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| 19:44.15 | D-Iivil | Evening. |
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| 20:06.32 | kW_ | Does anybody know which service within the N900 is responsible for indexing image files, sound files, video files? |
| 20:06.41 | kerio | trackerd |
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| 20:07.48 | kW_ | kerio: and how can I make trackerd just throw away its index and reindex everything? |
| 20:08.06 | kerio | not sure |
| 20:08.11 | kerio | there's a way though |
| 20:09.08 | D-Iivil | There was an application for it. |
| 20:09.24 | D-Iivil | (and also the command line command) |
| 20:10.00 | kW_ | hmm... and a related question: does trackerd follow symlinks? |
| 20:10.18 | D-Iivil | kW_, tracker-cfg is the application you want. |
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| 20:11.07 | kW_ | D-Iivil: well, this app is not part of the package tracker-utils |
| 20:11.22 | kW_ | (it does not seem to exist on my N900) |
| 20:11.23 | D-Iivil | kW_, ? |
| 20:11.36 | D-Iivil | kW_, noup. Install it from repos. |
| 20:12.02 | D-Iivil | It's a 3rd party program for tracker configuration. |
| 20:13.41 | alteregoa | eats a fnord |
| 20:14.01 | D-Iivil | ~wtf fnord |
| 20:14.28 | kW_ | D-Iivil: thank you... tracker-cfg seems to be a UI for /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg essentially, but it also has a "Rebuil databases" option :-) |
| 20:15.05 | D-Iivil | kW_, yep. That's what it is, and no problem :) |
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| 20:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | could we make sanity check on maemo builder require a mandatory XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description changelog, for pkg version updates? |
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| 20:18.02 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, sorry for a dumb question, but what would that be for? |
| 20:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | HAM showing the info in this field instead of "Description:" field, if you *update* a package |
| 20:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | so it's basically the long missed allegedly nonexisting changelog feature in HAM |
| 20:20.10 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, hmmm... why not just automatically take that from changelog -file and put it in that field during import to devel? |
| 20:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. HAM can do that, but pkg maintainers largely ignore it |
| 20:20.32 | D-Iivil | automaticly... fuck my english :D |
| 20:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | np. |
| 20:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's the very least, yes |
| 20:20.55 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, no wonder. It's the first time I heard about it. |
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| 20:21.23 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: HAM FTL APT-GET FTW |
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| 20:22.18 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, for a developer it seems like stupid extra work to fill in the same info twice and editing the control file on every update. |
| 20:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | a tailored-to-fit changelog description in Maemo-Upgrade-Description would for sure better meet everybody's needs than copying the terse one line in debian/changelog though |
| 20:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: (seems like) that's why I asked for making it mandatory, by rules check in builder |
| 20:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | developers think of a lot of things to be stupid extra useless |
| 20:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | hell you wouldn't even get decent manpages, if... wait we don't get manpages :-P |
| 20:25.07 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, lol :D But since you're already writing the "what's changed" info to changelog -file I can't see why it cannot be automaticly taken from there. |
| 20:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | it can, but the changelog file suggests one terse line |
| 20:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | while usually you'd want to elaborate and be more verbose, when designing a text for endusers |
| 20:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | see it as a great opportunity to advertise new features in your pkg to endusers |
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| 20:27.23 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, I think the format of changelog is just perfect. It's more readable than a bible telling the same thing with more words... |
| 20:27.50 | luke-jr | hmm this is new |
| 20:27.57 | luke-jr | the chat crashes if I try to turn on Camera |
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| 20:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | the CHAT?? |
| 20:28.15 | luke-jr | call |
| 20:28.16 | luke-jr | whatever |
| 20:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 20:28.21 | kerio | i don't always get the camera-ui on camera lid open |
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| 20:28.35 | D-Iivil | But anyways, if there was a vote for this I would vote no to make it mandatory to fill / edit the extra-field on control file.... |
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| 20:29.35 | luke-jr | Mirror app fails too :p |
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| 20:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: I hope some guys from Nokia QA and general design are listening. Then maybe there will be no vote |
| 20:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 20:31.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: there's an additional button to "remap", btw |
| 20:31.21 | kerio | battery cover open/close |
| 20:31.28 | kerio | (how is that detected, btw?) |
| 20:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, if there were a vote, 95% would vote to kill HAM and do apt-get install in xterm |
| 20:31.40 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, maybe Nokia SHOULD listen the actual users more often and put up polls... |
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| 20:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: battery cover is detected by a hall sensor sensing the stand magnet in cover |
| 20:33.19 | kerio | that's... brilliant |
| 20:33.23 | kerio | is in awe |
| 20:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | the lens slider works by proximity sensor alike refective IR sensor |
| 20:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | reflective* |
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| 20:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | kbd slider also is a magnet |
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| 20:40.03 | DrGrov | What is in the new Ovi update that I see today? Anyone know? |
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| 20:40.42 | DrGrov | I have confirmed that N900 can stand a fall from 1 meter without any scratches what so ever |
| 20:41.16 | kerute | hi, i followed http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Installing_kernel_modules |
| 20:41.18 | luke-jr | onto pavement? |
| 20:41.34 | kerute | and i get "[xkb] Can't rename /tmp/fileuPn1iZ to /var/cache/xkb/server-23C8F01A6FD67D4AC5B24BE983A88846620BED05.xkm, error: No such file or directory" |
| 20:41.37 | DrGrov | luke-jr: no, just on a rock hard wooden floor |
| 20:41.42 | luke-jr | :p |
| 20:41.42 | kerute | i checked the rights |
| 20:41.56 | ds3 | now, can you confirm if it is indeed the case at 2 meters? |
| 20:42.08 | luke-jr | ds3: he's playing n900fly of course |
| 20:42.08 | kerute | but i cant find any file named xkm or xkeyboard-config |
| 20:42.24 | luke-jr | 2 metres is the next level |
| 20:42.33 | luke-jr | (or did you actually mean [tonal] meters?) |
| 20:42.38 | kerute | anybody knows how i can add a package after I generated the rootfs using makerootfs ? |
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| 20:42.55 | ds3 | I mean about 39 inches |
| 20:43.07 | luke-jr | pfft |
| 20:43.11 | luke-jr | why not just say 3 feet then |
| 20:43.22 | kerio | why not just say one meter? |
| 20:43.57 | luke-jr | because a meter is more like 6 inches |
| 20:43.58 | luke-jr | :) |
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| 20:44.24 | DrGrov | luke-jr: i mean 1 meter |
| 20:44.54 | luke-jr | almost ra meters |
| 20:45.03 | luke-jr | DrGrov: 1 meter is only 6 inches though |
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| 20:46.07 | DrGrov | luke-jr: 1 inch for us is 2,5 centimeters |
| 20:46.17 | luke-jr | DrGrov: you mean centimetres? |
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| 20:46.27 | DrGrov | luke-jr: yes, 1 inch = 1 cm |
| 20:46.37 | luke-jr | in which case, better to use inches and feet :) |
| 20:46.40 | luke-jr | metres are just lame |
| 20:47.24 | villager | I guess he means 1 inch = 2.54 cm |
| 20:48.19 | luke-jr | a meterton is almost a cm :) |
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| 20:49.19 | villager | now I just wonder if luke is being dense on purpose... 1 meter would be 39 inches, not 6 inches, regardless of lameness... |
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| 20:49.32 | luke-jr | no |
| 20:50.15 | luke-jr | 39 inches = 1 metre = almost 7 meters |
| 20:50.58 | ds3 | 1inch is 25.4mm |
| 20:51.11 | luke-jr | 1 meter = ~5.87 inches = ~0.49 feet = ~14.9 centimetres = ~1.49 decimetres |
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| 20:51.56 | luke-jr | 1 meter = ~0.15 metres |
| 20:52.51 | villager | meter and metre are different spellings of the same word (us english vs british english) |
| 20:52.57 | luke-jr | no |
| 20:53.00 | luke-jr | different units |
| 20:53.03 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/units.html#hex_length |
| 20:54.01 | wolf^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.01 | wolf^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.02 | wolf^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.02 | wolf^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.12 | luke-jr | wolf^: your dictionary fails |
| 20:54.14 | toggles_w | lj: did i see you talking about decoding the gps? |
| 20:54.19 | luke-jr | toggles_w: working |
| 20:54.30 | toggles_w | you have it working? |
| 20:54.32 | villager | love it when someone takes upon themselves to redefine well-known words to mean something else than everyone else means by it... |
| 20:54.34 | luke-jr | toggles_w: yes |
| 20:54.34 | toggles_w | or working on it? |
| 20:54.41 | toggles_w | sweet.. |
| 20:54.56 | toggles_w | can you talk to it? or only through nokia blob? |
| 20:55.09 | luke-jr | villager: love it when idiots misspell words in a way that means other preexisting words |
| 20:55.18 | luke-jr | toggles_w: no blobs at all |
| 20:55.24 | luke-jr | toggles_w: everything but altitude |
| 20:55.28 | toggles_w | luke-jr: you are the man |
| 20:55.31 | toggles_w | oh.. crap.. |
| 20:55.31 | luke-jr | well, altitude too, but don't know units |
| 20:55.39 | luke-jr | wanna figure out units? :P |
| 20:55.41 | toggles_w | oh.. got a test program? |
| 20:55.47 | luke-jr | two |
| 20:55.49 | toggles_w | I'll take it flying tomorrow and tell you |
| 20:55.50 | luke-jr | one of which is a blob :P |
| 20:56.10 | luke-jr | I take back "no blobs at all", I forgot that part |
| 20:56.11 | villager | luke-jr: me too |
| 20:56.24 | luke-jr | villager: metre and meter are two different competing units |
| 20:56.28 | toggles_w | oh, there are blobs? |
| 20:56.43 | luke-jr | villager: popular idiots misspelling metre shouldn't force meter to get a new word |
| 20:56.49 | luke-jr | toggles_w: sortof |
| 20:56.57 | luke-jr | toggles_w: I have C code that I don't understand for one of them |
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| 20:57.12 | toggles_w | then it's not a blob ;-) |
| 20:57.14 | luke-jr | toggles_w: I'm not willing to post it because it almost certainly contains private info in the comments |
| 20:57.20 | toggles_w | just to you |
| 20:57.23 | luke-jr | it's a blob to me |
| 20:57.25 | villager | luke-jr: so, according to whom is it that every single dictionary in the world is wrong? |
| 20:57.26 | luke-jr | because I don't understand it |
| 20:57.39 | luke-jr | mostly it's a bunch of incomprehensible char arrays |
| 20:57.50 | ds3 | regardless of what the dictionaries say... I am refering to the unit that short french dude pushed |
| 20:57.52 | luke-jr | villager: the original definition of 'meter', see http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 |
| 20:57.59 | luke-jr | ds3: that's a metre |
| 20:58.06 | luke-jr | and metres are lame |
| 20:58.07 | luke-jr | :) |
| 20:58.11 | ds3 | I couldn't care what it is called |
| 20:58.20 | ds3 | all my measurements are in inches |
| 20:59.05 | ds3 | anything else is a translation. |
| 20:59.29 | luke-jr | :P |
| 20:59.50 | luke-jr | all my measurements are in meters or metertons, but I have to translate for computer programs :( |
| 21:00.48 | trumee | luke-jr: funny thing is my N95 sip client works excellent on the same network/PBX. But N900 doesnt. |
| 21:01.45 | toggles_w | obviously the n95 sip client is broken |
| 21:01.55 | trumee | luke-jr: what!!! |
| 21:02.05 | trumee | luke-jr: sorry |
| 21:02.17 | trumee | toggles_w: why n95 is broken? |
| 21:02.36 | toggles_w | pulls trumee's leg a bit further |
| 21:02.58 | ShadowJK | iirc it took 4 revisions to get it working |
| 21:03.20 | trumee | toggles_w: i need a new wireless router, this linksys wrt54gl/ddwrt isnt up to the task |
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| 21:04.02 | trumee | there is a cheap belkin router available, but i am a bit scared of belkin |
| 21:04.29 | tripzero | don't fear the belkin |
| 21:04.31 | tripzero | embrace |
| 21:04.32 | tripzero | !@ |
| 21:04.34 | trumee | although i only need a wireless access point, i will retain linksys as the wired router |
| 21:04.58 | tripzero | if it runs ddwrt, it's good |
| 21:05.19 | trumee | well linksys wrt54gl isnt good |
| 21:05.25 | trumee | and it runs ddwrt |
| 21:06.05 | luke-jr | gotta find an open router |
| 21:06.27 | trumee | what open router? |
| 21:06.33 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: nope. Still no news |
| 21:06.39 | crashanddie | trumee: probably WRT-type |
| 21:06.40 | luke-jr | trumee: dunno, research it a bit |
| 21:06.52 | trumee | is there a pci/pci express card which i can plug into my linux box |
| 21:06.58 | luke-jr | trumee: on the other hand, maybe WRT54GL support will mature soon |
| 21:07.13 | crashanddie | trumee: plenty? |
| 21:07.17 | trumee | luke-jr: you mean mature in N900? |
| 21:07.25 | luke-jr | trumee: I mean Linux support for it |
| 21:07.31 | luke-jr | if so, it'll hit OpenWrt before DD-Wrt |
| 21:07.52 | trumee | crashanddie: then i can ditch my linksys router and use my computer as a router |
| 21:08.12 | trumee | luke-jr: wrt54gl has been around for donkey years and you think code is not mature? |
| 21:08.15 | crashanddie | trumee: wait, what? |
| 21:08.29 | luke-jr | trumee: DD-Wrt doesn't use it yet AFAIK |
| 21:08.37 | luke-jr | trumee: Broadcom wireless has only been around a few years |
| 21:08.37 | crashanddie | trumee: you're asking for a "pci/pci express card which you can plug into your linux box"? |
| 21:08.43 | luke-jr | and mainly just for client mode |
| 21:09.06 | trumee | luke-jr: so openwrt is more mature? |
| 21:09.14 | luke-jr | OpenWrt is more bleeding edge usually :) |
| 21:09.22 | luke-jr | looks like they got it working as of 8.09_RC1 |
| 21:09.24 | trumee | crashanddie: yes using which i can stream radio signals |
| 21:09.41 | crashanddie | try to be more precise? |
| 21:09.46 | trumee | luke-jr: is there gui for openwrt? |
| 21:09.56 | luke-jr | trumee: third-party, X-Wrt |
| 21:10.08 | trumee | crashanddie: i want to replace my wireless router with my linux box. |
| 21:10.09 | luke-jr | trumee: WRT54GL has little flash though, so be conservative with what you install :) |
| 21:10.23 | crashanddie | "Is there a card I can plug into my computer?" "Erhm, most probably" "Oh yeah, which one?" "Well, depends. What do you need?" |
| 21:10.28 | luke-jr | unless you wanna hack in the MMC card mod |
| 21:10.43 | luke-jr | http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs(2f)Hardware(2f)Linksys(2f)WRT54GL.html?highlight=%28CategoryModel%29#head-dd43b50d854c2f0348686e6d7d165cdfd83a7e59 |
| 21:10.56 | crashanddie | trumee: please go back and learn how to have a conversation. |
| 21:11.07 | crashanddie | I'm tempted to call you "stupid" or "wanker", but I won't. |
| 21:11.16 | trumee | crashanddie: wtf |
| 21:11.16 | luke-jr | crashanddie: everyone else understood him obviously |
| 21:11.27 | trumee | luke-jr: exactly. |
| 21:11.28 | luke-jr | crashanddie: read your history before you start ranting about what you don't understand |
| 21:11.41 | crashanddie | what history? I just joined |
| 21:12.09 | luke-jr | exactly |
| 21:12.14 | crashanddie | piss off |
| 21:12.18 | luke-jr | lol |
| 21:12.27 | trumee | crashanddie: ha ha |
| 21:12.47 | crashanddie | The guy said "Can i put a card into my computer?" I said "yes", then he said he wanted to turn his computer into a router, which really doesn't help. Does he want wireless or wired? And if so, why use your desktop to do so? |
| 21:13.03 | luke-jr | crashanddie: it was perfectly clear with context |
| 21:13.14 | luke-jr | so anyhow |
| 21:13.28 | luke-jr | anyone have a license I can buy? |
| 21:13.43 | trumee | luke-jr: i think i will try openwrt |
| 21:13.43 | crashanddie | what kind of licence? |
| 21:13.47 | luke-jr | :D |
| 21:13.49 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I have a licenst to kill, that I no longer need. |
| 21:13.56 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: srsly? what country? |
| 21:14.06 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Atlantis. |
| 21:14.10 | luke-jr | aw |
| 21:14.11 | luke-jr | useless |
| 21:14.12 | crashanddie | so, to get back off-topic, what kind of card? LAN or WAN? And why use a desktop for a router rather than a dedicated device to do so? |
| 21:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | beats luke-jr down the street with a bunch of tonal meters |
| 21:14.45 | crashanddie | I mean, aren't most wireless and ethernet cards supported these days under linux? |
| 21:15.06 | luke-jr | crashanddie: he just wants to cut his wifi router out of the "my SIP isn't working" equation |
| 21:15.19 | luke-jr | glares at DocScrutinizer |
| 21:15.22 | crashanddie | ah |
| 21:15.30 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I actually have a tonal meter stick |
| 21:15.40 | crashanddie | trumee: does SIP work at your neighbour's? |
| 21:15.40 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: and my wall schedule is in tonal units |
| 21:15.54 | trumee | crashanddie: it works fine on 3g |
| 21:16.02 | crashanddie | not the question |
| 21:16.08 | crashanddie | does it work at your neighbour's? |
| 21:16.09 | trumee | crashanddie: but on wifi it is very jittery |
| 21:16.16 | trumee | crashanddie: no idea. |
| 21:16.21 | crashanddie | but you do get a connection then? |
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| 21:16.40 | luke-jr | crashanddie: he's already tried turning off PSM too |
| 21:16.55 | trumee | crashanddie: yes, sip works fine. but audio is quite jittery. bug #10388 |
| 21:16.57 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? |
| 21:17.04 | crashanddie | interesting |
| 21:17.36 | crashanddie | trumee: I'll set up SIP on my N900 tomorrow (need to download certificates and stuff) and comment on that bug if I can't reproduce it |
| 21:17.52 | crashanddie | FYI, my ISP provides SIP and router is made them too |
| 21:18.03 | crashanddie | s/them/by them/ |
| 21:18.08 | luke-jr | crashanddie: FWIW, SIP works flawless here |
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| 21:18.22 | luke-jr | both 3G and Wifi |
| 21:18.51 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 21:18.59 | crashanddie | does the same happen with Skype |
| 21:19.00 | crashanddie | ? |
| 21:19.01 | trumee | luke-jr: i am thinking of changing to centos from gentoo. centos is used heavily by voip folks, so the kernel would be sensible |
| 21:19.11 | trumee | crashanddie: dont care about skype |
| 21:19.21 | luke-jr | trumee: Gentoo kernels work fine for me |
| 21:19.44 | crashanddie | trumee: again, that wasn't the question |
| 21:19.49 | divan | hi, is this right place for development questions or there is another channel for developer questions? |
| 21:20.03 | luke-jr | divan: development of what? |
| 21:20.11 | trumee | luke-jr: yes, but i want to check all software things before i invest in a router |
| 21:20.13 | crashanddie | divan: you can ask general dev questions here, it's fine. Please pastebin anything over a couple of lines, though. |
| 21:20.26 | trumee | luke-jr: and you use fon router? |
| 21:20.27 | luke-jr | trumee: I'd try OpenWrt next :) |
| 21:20.42 | crashanddie | trumee: you never tried on another wifi network? |
| 21:20.43 | luke-jr | trumee: I use the 2200 model La Fonera, which is probably no longer available, for WiFi |
| 21:20.48 | luke-jr | trumee: it has 1 Ethernet port |
| 21:20.53 | divan | I work with rtcom and libaccounts libraries for maemo and there is a very big lack of documentation and examples. Hope to find a few wizards here :) |
| 21:21.10 | toggles_w | luke-jr: me too |
| 21:21.18 | crashanddie | divan: I've abandonned dev'ing for Maemo due to major lack of proper documentation |
| 21:21.18 | luke-jr | divan: you are aware the Maemo platform is discontinued? |
| 21:21.24 | crashanddie | luke-jr: stfu? |
| 21:21.40 | luke-jr | crashanddie: pfft, same thing you said almost |
| 21:21.46 | trumee | crashanddie: i have not test much some other wifi network. i am usually scared of using sip on other peoples network. |
| 21:21.58 | divan | I will rewrote my thing for MeeGo(actually I love QT), but for now I need it on Maemo. |
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| 21:22.23 | crashanddie | trumee: if you don't trust SIP to be secure enough, don't trust it on any network, including yours |
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| 21:22.35 | crashanddie | trumee: find some granny in the neighbourhood, who has a different modem, and try there |
| 21:22.40 | divan | Actually I already wrote almost everything I need but I want it to be userfriendly (for others users) and stuck with a few problems with libaccounts |
| 21:22.49 | crashanddie | trumee: heck, go to your local starbucks or something |
| 21:22.54 | Macer | haha |
| 21:23.06 | divan | So, no rtcom/libaccounts wizards here? ( |
| 21:23.17 | luke-jr | or Panera... |
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| 21:23.22 | trumee | luke-jr: is this the one LA FONERA Wireless Router Model FON2100. WIFI, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FONERA-Wireless-Router-Model-FON2100-WIFI-/190420431782?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item2c55f133a6 |
| 21:23.26 | Macer | is sip even encrypted ? |
| 21:23.30 | luke-jr | trumee: no, that says 2100 |
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| 21:23.34 | luke-jr | trumee: 2100 was crap |
| 21:23.39 | luke-jr | Macer: no |
| 21:23.44 | trumee | luke-jr: oh ok. |
| 21:23.44 | Macer | i figured it had to be encapsulated |
| 21:23.50 | luke-jr | trumee: 2100 = overheat easily |
| 21:23.54 | Macer | luke-jr: ah. i see. |
| 21:24.01 | Macer | skype ftw hahahaha |
| 21:24.05 | luke-jr | Skype sucks |
| 21:24.11 | divan | crashanddie: actually I love Maemo cause it allows me develop in my native languages and libraries. (Except of such closes things as rtcom) |
| 21:24.13 | Macer | whatever |
| 21:24.14 | crashanddie | skype works? |
| 21:24.15 | Macer | :) |
| 21:24.19 | luke-jr | crashanddie: not on N900 |
| 21:24.20 | Macer | works for me |
| 21:24.24 | crashanddie | works for me |
| 21:24.25 | Macer | er |
| 21:24.27 | trumee | luke-jr: i dislike skype too |
| 21:24.30 | Macer | yes it does |
| 21:24.36 | Macer | works great on n900 |
| 21:24.38 | Macer | :) |
| 21:24.38 | luke-jr | not for video |
| 21:24.45 | Macer | even over 3G |
| 21:24.49 | toggles_w | actually, mine is a 2100, works fine unless you leave it in a 100f attic |
| 21:24.53 | Macer | dont use skype for video |
| 21:25.00 | luke-jr | toggles_w: mine didn't :/ |
| 21:25.02 | Macer | i use gtalk :) |
| 21:25.03 | divan | BTW, native skype support on N900 is a killer feature for some of my collegues - they bought N900 just because of that |
| 21:25.03 | crashanddie | Macer: next we're going to hear that "Skype is evil because it's owned by a big bad multinational company" |
| 21:25.05 | luke-jr | toggles_w: I had to hack on a fan |
| 21:25.15 | luke-jr | divan: before they noticed it doesn't work? |
| 21:25.23 | divan | Why it doesn't work? |
| 21:25.25 | crashanddie | luke-jr: last warning before you're banned |
| 21:25.31 | luke-jr | crashanddie: no, Skype is bad because it's closed |
| 21:25.36 | Macer | crashanddie: no. his last one was network hijacking of your bandwidth :) |
| 21:25.38 | toggles_w | i think mine is still in the atic, it's in the states in a mates place, he casn't complained yet, it's online.. |
| 21:25.39 | divan | I use Skype on N900 each day heavily. |
| 21:25.41 | Macer | hahaha |
| 21:25.42 | luke-jr | crashanddie: in a bad mood or what? I've done nothing to warrant banning |
| 21:25.53 | Macer | divan: me too. works great |
| 21:26.03 | crashanddie | luke-jr: you're saying things don't work when they do. You're spreading fud. Please stop |
| 21:26.34 | luke-jr | crashanddie: it doesn't. I've tried it with like 4 people by now... |
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| 21:26.39 | luke-jr | nfc how you get it to work |
| 21:26.48 | Macer | lol |
| 21:26.54 | Macer | goes to eat |
| 21:27.02 | crashanddie | "The bad craftsman blames his tools." |
| 21:27.16 | luke-jr | right... need to be a craftsman to video chat now? |
| 21:27.27 | divan | luke-jr, maybe you and 4 peoples don't have any internet connection in your town? No 3G/GPRS/EDGE, no Wi-Fi.. ) |
| 21:27.33 | luke-jr | whatever, I'll stick to "Skype is bad because it's closed" then |
| 21:27.37 | trumee | luke-jr: cant find 2200 model even on ebay :( |
| 21:27.38 | Macer | no. you just tap "video chat" :) |
| 21:27.40 | luke-jr | divan: all hard-wired |
| 21:28.02 | mtnbkr | divan: I have not spent too much time with skype, but when I try to make a call to a friend, I am told that I need t use "international format" for the phone number. If I change the callers phone number to internaltional format, won't it break my nortal call calling of them? |
| 21:28.02 | trumee | luke-jr: "La Fonera FON2201 Wireless Router" ? |
| 21:28.07 | luke-jr | Skype/Windows, Skype/Mac, and I don't know what the other 2 people were using |
| 21:28.10 | luke-jr | trumee: maybe |
| 21:28.18 | divan | Cool. BTW, is it possible to use USB-RJ-45 with USB Host Mode enabled on N900? |
| 21:28.25 | divan | I would like to have such possibility. |
| 21:28.35 | Macer | mtnbkr: yeah. that is one draw back |
| 21:28.41 | luke-jr | divan: should |
| 21:28.43 | mtnbkr | Macer: oh crap, really? |
| 21:28.45 | trumee | luke-jr: here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fonera-FON2201-Wireless-Router-/180534679945?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item2a08b49989 |
| 21:28.59 | SpeedEvil | divan: USB host is not working yet |
| 21:29.08 | Macer | no |
| 21:29.20 | Macer | most phone companies accept int formats |
| 21:29.28 | divan | SpeedEvil, I saw the kernel with USB host enabled, released today. Didn't try yet. |
| 21:29.35 | Macer | shouldnt be a big deal |
| 21:29.36 | SpeedEvil | divan: it's really not that simple. |
| 21:29.43 | toggles_w | so anyone know if liblocation is going to be supported under meego? |
| 21:29.46 | kerio | huh? usb host? |
| 21:29.47 | mtnbkr | Macer: oh! ok, but the drawback then is that I would need to modify ALL of my contacts' phone numbers |
| 21:29.48 | divan | I understand |
| 21:29.50 | luke-jr | trumee: AFAIk that should work... |
| 21:29.50 | kerio | cool |
| 21:29.57 | SpeedEvil | divan: also - where was this announcemnt - there have been many unfortunate incorrect announcements before. |
| 21:29.59 | trumee | luke-jr: thanks |
| 21:30.04 | luke-jr | trumee: La Foneras *are* locked by default, but that one sounds pre-rooted |
| 21:30.12 | lbt | goddam it ... X-Fade ... wiki.... :) |
| 21:30.13 | divan | I'l find a link, wait a second |
| 21:30.14 | SpeedEvil | Context - I'm one of those involved in the details of geting USB host working. |
| 21:30.21 | SpeedEvil | And have heard nothing |
| 21:30.29 | divan | http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/usbhost/ |
| 21:30.30 | trumee | luke-jr: uh, on wiki, Routers known to be incompatible with PSM mode Fon2200 ? |
| 21:30.53 | divan | oops, it's not today release, sorry |
| 21:31.04 | luke-jr | trumee: ? |
| 21:31.05 | trumee | luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode |
| 21:31.15 | trumee | luke-jr: at the bottom of the page |
| 21:31.19 | SpeedEvil | IIRC that was a release for testing some asplects of the USB host system, and diddn't work as hoped |
| 21:31.30 | divan | ok, I got it. |
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| 21:31.34 | mtnbkr | Macer: Hmmm, maemo phone app will allow ONLY numeral is the phone number fields, so I can not type a + how to get past this? |
| 21:32.02 | kerio | 00? |
| 21:32.09 | kerio | + is 00 |
| 21:32.27 | divan | Well, now I'm going to find developers of libaccounts and beg them to share a little bit of documentation or, at least, answer to my questions. |
| 21:32.50 | mtnbkr | really? wow... there is no way in the world I would have ever guessed that... lol |
| 21:32.57 | divan | This 'closed part in open source' is kinda weird |
| 21:33.02 | luke-jr | trumee: no idea; works fine for me on N900 |
| 21:33.08 | luke-jr | trumee: on N810 I did disable PSM tho |
| 21:33.22 | luke-jr | divan: Maemo is mostly closed |
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| 21:33.36 | mtnbkr | kerio: also, how do I do a comma like when adding 2 second wait for answering machine etc, then press extention # |
| 21:33.48 | kerio | dunno |
| 21:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | (hostmode) so am and have I |
| 21:34.10 | mtnbkr | kerio: some phone numbers I have that I imported, have ( and ) and spaces and commas and it all works fine, but I cna not manually recreate it for new numbers |
| 21:34.21 | kerio | mtnbkr: ** does + and p |
| 21:34.49 | kerio | wtf is (? |
| 21:35.11 | mtnbkr | kerio; parenthesis areounf the US area code. |
| 21:35.11 | _llll_ | they are not part of the number |
| 21:35.15 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: of course not. You can dial your own country code in your own country without any problem |
| 21:35.21 | _llll_ | just indicate parts that can be omitted if you are local |
| 21:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: where is 'p' on dialer?? o.O |
| 21:35.39 | flux | yes, it would've been nice if the phone numbers allowed even the simplest separators, such as spaces |
| 21:35.40 | kerio | i think that's non-standard |
| 21:35.41 | kerio | :| |
| 21:35.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: *** |
| 21:35.45 | luke-jr | crashanddie: not in the US... |
| 21:35.54 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 21:35.57 | crashanddie | Why not? |
| 21:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually failed to get that so far |
| 21:36.01 | luke-jr | no idea |
| 21:36.06 | luke-jr | phone companies here are idiotic |
| 21:36.08 | crashanddie | you can't call +1 in the US? |
| 21:36.13 | luke-jr | not if it's local |
| 21:36.20 | crashanddie | double "eh?" |
| 21:36.20 | luke-jr | if it's local they tell you to hang up and dial without i |
| 21:36.21 | luke-jr | it |
| 21:36.26 | mtnbkr | kerio: the * is NOT accepted. :( only numerals |
| 21:36.28 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 21:36.39 | crashanddie | backass country |
| 21:36.43 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 21:36.49 | kerio | mtnbkr: huh? |
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| 21:36.58 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: there's one solution |
| 21:37.01 | mtnbkr | crashanddie: and it is pissing me off, 'cause I can not use skype. |
| 21:37.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you can also just type p |
| 21:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | key 'p' actually there :-D |
| 21:37.16 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: have one skype number, and one local number |
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| 21:37.25 | kerio | with the hw kbd |
| 21:37.36 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: or the better solution: move to a country where they understand how phones work |
| 21:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | missing 'w' :-S |
| 21:37.39 | mtnbkr | crashanddie: yeah, that is what I was thinkin... wowo great "integration" |
| 21:37.58 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: that's not the phones fault, it's the operator |
| 21:38.00 | luke-jr | ponders if telepathy-spirit can run under qemu-arm on other platforms... :p |
| 21:38.02 | kerio | what's w? |
| 21:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | wait for connect |
| 21:38.17 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: I have one number for all my contacts, and call them through skype or phone, doesn't matter |
| 21:38.17 | mtnbkr | kerio: my N900 subs a 0 "zero" for the p or any char on the top row that is a number |
| 21:38.17 | kerio | oh |
| 21:38.20 | kerio | cute |
| 21:38.29 | kerio | mtnbkr: fn+"0" |
| 21:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | or wait for silence - not sure about it right now |
| 21:38.30 | mtnbkr | crashanddie: I know, that is what I want :) |
| 21:38.33 | kerio | and you get p |
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| 21:38.43 | kerio | or keep pushing the "*+" virtual key |
| 21:38.47 | crashanddie | mtnbkr: well, don't blame the integration then, call your operator and yell |
| 21:38.59 | luke-jr | mtnbkr: could in theory write a telepathy module that proxies them |
| 21:39.06 | mtnbkr | crashanddie: ahhaha Yeah, like At&T will listen |
| 21:39.07 | luke-jr | crashanddie: he could blame telepathy-spirit for being closed ;) |
| 21:39.18 | crashanddie | luke-jr: international in the US is 011, yeah? |
| 21:39.24 | luke-jr | crashanddie: dunno, I use voip |
| 21:39.32 | crashanddie | luke-jr: whereas in most of the rest of the world, it's 00 |
| 21:40.04 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I *think* if you try to call a US number as an international one, it might work and bill $1/min |
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| 21:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | ok, 'p' is waiting for connect. So that's not bad so far |
| 21:40.57 | blizzow | Was the big announcement from the nokia conversations blog about Fcamera? |
| 21:41.12 | luke-jr | blizzow: probably |
| 21:41.13 | kerio | luke-jr: hahahaha that's horrible |
| 21:41.19 | tripzero | so... i can't reproduce the apple-death-grip on the n900 |
| 21:41.27 | luke-jr | tripzero: why not? |
| 21:41.36 | kerio | tripzero: i can reproduce it quite easily |
| 21:41.36 | tripzero | dunno. i' |
| 21:41.39 | kerio | :( |
| 21:41.39 | luke-jr | tripzero: you have to be sure you're pressing on the power button |
| 21:41.48 | tripzero | where do you hold it? |
| 21:42.01 | luke-jr | hold on, I got a tutorial |
| 21:42.02 | kerio | tripzero: landscape, with both hands |
| 21:42.03 | tripzero | i tried death gripping on the lower part, upper part and both |
| 21:42.12 | tripzero | oh, landscape... |
| 21:42.13 | tripzero | lemme try |
| 21:42.17 | mtnbkr | luke-jr: nope... I just got the cute little song and "your call could not be completed as dialed" message |
| 21:42.26 | kerio | you know, when using it as a *tablet* |
| 21:42.28 | luke-jr | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/07/17/how-to-hold-your-nokia-n900-and-make-it-drop-calls/ |
| 21:42.38 | mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: wait fr connec is OK, but need a pause. |
| 21:42.58 | alterego | in a lead glove? |
| 21:43.04 | kerio | it probably works as a pause too |
| 21:43.11 | tripzero | luke-jr, haha |
| 21:43.12 | tripzero | nice |
| 21:43.25 | mtnbkr | Ok, so there is no "one number format" I can use so that both Skype and my ATA&T cell calls to the same number work? |
| 21:44.18 | alterego | mtnbkr: you should use the MSISDN |
| 21:44.34 | ShadowJK | I can do death-grip, but only if I'm like 10km away from transmitter |
| 21:44.49 | jacekowski | well hold it with both hands |
| 21:44.59 | ShadowJK | But in proper conditions I can't move it even with both hands |
| 21:45.01 | jacekowski | and then you can make it go to 2g quite easily |
| 21:45.42 | ShadowJK | It mostly does go to 2g here when i get calls :P |
| 21:45.49 | tripzero | i'm in 2.5 and i don't see any bars dropping |
| 21:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | mtnbkr: kerio yep works as pause (too? not so sure about wait-for-connect anymore) |
| 21:46.03 | ShadowJK | but again, that's 3km beyond the range my operator's map says is available |
| 21:46.41 | mtnbkr | AH! I got it! Shift S gives + and +1 areacode exchange number works for both! |
| 21:47.02 | ShadowJK | Fn S? |
| 21:47.06 | kerio | mtnbkr: just s works |
| 21:47.26 | mtnbkr | ShadowJK: I used shift S, but maybe just S works too |
| 21:47.28 | kerio | also, * on the virtual keyboard |
| 21:48.12 | ShadowJK | Yeah that makes sense, every non-qwerty keypad has + on * |
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| 21:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | +, p, *, 0..9, # working. Missing A, B, C, D, \, (comma), w |
| 21:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | seems 'p' is a substitute for ',' |
| 21:53.11 | kerio | abcd...? |
| 21:53.15 | kerio | wtf |
| 21:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | except when using it with international access prefixes that require you to wait 5s after prefix, befor continuing to dial |
| 21:53.55 | kerio | do they even make sense for cellular calls? |
| 21:54.00 | kerio | aren't they DTMF tones? |
| 21:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's just not applicable to GSM |
| 21:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | ABCD are dtmf |
| 21:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | the unknown fourth col |
| 21:54.57 | kerio | heh |
| 21:55.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you're a phreaker! |
| 21:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | ever been |
| 21:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | comma is pause for 0.5s iirc, and 'w' is "wait for silence" |
| 21:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | so also a dmtf command basically, though a passive one |
| 21:59.24 | microlith | nice |
| 21:59.49 | microlith | BME completely failed to realize the capacity of my new battery |
| 22:00.05 | ShadowJK | What battery? |
| 22:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | microlith: you expected anything else?? |
| 22:00.53 | microlith | I expected the charge meter to be somewhat accurate :( |
| 22:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | bme doesn't even have any means to theoretically detect size of your new battery |
| 22:01.34 | kerio | fully recharge it and fully discharge it |
| 22:01.38 | microlith | until it goes through a full cycle or so? |
| 22:01.50 | ShadowJK | and there's no reliable method to detect state of charge of a newly inserted battery |
| 22:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | as Nokia afaik hasn't defined any other meaningful values for BSI other than 100kR for BL-5J |
| 22:02.46 | alterego | starts working on his super duper camera app. |
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| 22:03.07 | ShadowJK | if I could attach multimeter to measure resistance I could give you a wide curve with the thermistor in mugen :) |
| 22:03.42 | kerio | ShadowJK: the beat-em-up engine? |
| 22:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | no use in that, as it's not supposed to be a thermistor :-P |
| 22:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | So I actually wonder how mugen came up with this |
| 22:04.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure, but it's a varable resistor and I can stop/start bme and read out a new design.capacity value each time :) |
| 22:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 22:05.19 | ShadowJK | maybe they just read some random forum post/blog claiming it's a thermistor |
| 22:05.29 | ShadowJK | and put in one |
| 22:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | so you should attach a set of resistors and create a table of reported design cap vs R |
| 22:06.20 | ShadowJK | sounds easier to just change temperature |
| 22:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | yep, so what's the problem in probing the resistance then, with same temperature? |
| 22:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | no DVM? |
| 22:07.08 | jaem_n900 | 'Afternoon |
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| 22:08.20 | jacekowski | so, anybody can recommend any decent music store? |
| 22:08.33 | jacekowski | with client software for maemo ideally |
| 22:08.42 | ShadowJK | I don't know of any |
| 22:08.52 | blizzow | jacekowski: Transmission bittorrent client. |
| 22:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | of any what? |
| 22:09.00 | jaem_n900 | My N900 is refusing to pick up a cell signal for some reason. Is there a kick-in-the-butt command to reset things without rebooting? |
| 22:09.17 | jaem_n900 | jacekowski, Jamendo has some good stuff, and it's all free |
| 22:09.31 | ShadowJK | Amazon was doing one where you could get files that actually work (plain mp3) through a browser.. but it's US only :/ |
| 22:09.42 | jacekowski | no |
| 22:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | jaem_n900: check dual for modem mode setting in system menu |
| 22:09.53 | jacekowski | i'm looking for normal music store |
| 22:09.58 | jacekowski | not for jamendo |
| 22:10.12 | ShadowJK | jaem_n900, check settings - phone, network mode dual, autpmatic operator selection |
| 22:10.39 | jaem_n900 | DocScrutinezer: It's still checked. I haven't touched the settings. It just dropped out on the bus a few hours ago and hasn't come back since. :S |
| 22:10.44 | jacekowski | there is a way of rebooting just a modem |
| 22:10.57 | jacekowski | either by gpio if it's hard stuck |
| 22:11.06 | jacekowski | or via phonet if it's still working |
| 22:11.20 | jacekowski | nolo is doind that on boot |
| 22:11.23 | ShadowJK | Sometimes just going to offline mode for a minute helps |
| 22:11.24 | jacekowski | doing* |
| 22:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway never should be necessary |
| 22:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, but ^^^ |
| 22:11.43 | jacekowski | yeah, modem has it's own watchdog |
| 22:12.16 | jacekowski | that brings me to a thing |
| 22:12.33 | jacekowski | i'm pretty sure that scheduler they use on modem isn't theirs |
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| 22:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 22:12.51 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure, but those bugs are never fixed. They're stuck in an infinite loop of nokia blaming operator for misconfigured network, and operator blaming nokia for crap firmware. |
| 22:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | yep, lol |
| 22:13.14 | jaem_n900 | ShadowJK, I tried toggling it offline. |
| 22:13.28 | jaem_n900 | jacekowski: Jamendo has a Maemo streaming/download client. |
| 22:13.44 | jacekowski | i'm not interested in jamendo |
| 22:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what becamo of allofmp3 |
| 22:15.36 | ShadowJK | wonders why the hell there's still no easy way to legally buy music, that's easy and that works and that isn't too incompetent to take payment, it's 2010 already ffs |
| 22:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 22:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | and please keep your 92k-mp3 crap, and give flac |
| 22:16.59 | smhar | I am worried. I used my N900 extensively today until the battery was drained. when I was back home I charged it. but after half an hour, the indicator is still orange light. and I am not able to switch it on!! |
| 22:17.40 | jacekowski | it's in emergency charge mode |
| 22:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | use wallcharger, umplug and replug if light goies off, after 30min |
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| 22:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | do NOT try to boot |
| 22:18.01 | jacekowski | which means that battery is really flat |
| 22:18.13 | kerio | emergency charge is somewhat broken |
| 22:18.17 | kerio | it charges reeeeeeeally slowly |
| 22:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | nope it doesn't |
| 22:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | it does when connected to PC |
| 22:18.52 | jacekowski | it's emergency charge |
| 22:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | on original charger it takes 550mA |
| 22:19.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: normal charging is twice as fast |
| 22:19.15 | smhar | jacekowski, I am using the wall charger |
| 22:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 22:19.22 | jacekowski | smhar: then wait |
| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | use wallcharger, umplug and replug if light goies off, after 30min |
| 22:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: ^^^ |
| 22:19.38 | jacekowski | smhar: phone will boot itself when it's ready |
| 22:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | do NOT try to boot |
| 22:20.21 | smhar | I replugged, and now there is no light. I am waiting |
| 22:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no light actually might be good sign |
| 22:21.04 | jacekowski | smhar: IF LIGHT GOES OFF |
| 22:21.04 | jacekowski | smhar: not before |
| 22:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | if it comes up in 2 minutes |
| 22:21.04 | jacekowski | smhar: now battery isn't charged enough for phone to boot |
| 22:21.11 | jacekowski | smhar: but it will not go to emergency charge mode again |
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| 22:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: should |
| 22:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | if nothing else helps, remove battery for 1 min |
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| 22:21.50 | kerio | there! are! four! lights! |
| 22:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and helicopters |
| 22:23.18 | Macer | my son and i are watching the never ending story |
| 22:23.39 | Macer | i never realized how twisted it was |
| 22:26.23 | jacekowski | i need somebody to try to boot phone with id pin grounded and serial console enabled and usb-host-mode enabled in cal |
| 22:26.32 | jacekowski | and something connected to serial console |
| 22:26.42 | jacekowski | and see if it will detect usb host |
| 22:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device |
| 22:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover is <reply> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device |
| 22:28.34 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 22:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 22:28.48 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device |
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| 22:32.19 | smhar | docscrutinizer, battery remove for 1 min. replaced and charger replugged. immediately there was a vibration and welcome screen with 'Nokia', then it was off again. now the indicator is flashing amber light. |
| 22:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | let it charge, I'd suggest |
| 22:34.19 | smhar | docscrutinizer, Ok.. I need to go to sleep so I will let it do its work. I am having a serious problem with battery life, that needs to be investigated later |
| 22:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | though you *probably* also could 'switch on' now, but odds are device is eating more battery than it's charging when on |
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| 22:35.25 | smhar | thanks docscrutinizer, and bye for now |
| 22:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you obviously have a nasty app that causes device to eat power like there's no tomorrow |
| 22:42.32 | jacekowski | going back to my id pin grounding |
| 22:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:42.45 | jacekowski | where i can get microusb cable with that pin grounded or something? |
| 22:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | screwit |
| 22:43.00 | jacekowski | why? |
| 22:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | get a micro-mini adapter |
| 22:43.27 | jacekowski | does these adapters have that pin grounded? |
| 22:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | then get a mini-extension. Those I got have 5 wires ;-) |
| 22:43.58 | jacekowski | you can do it then |
| 22:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | nope, but they *should* be 5 wire full connect |
| 22:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | (the micro->mini) |
| 22:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | the 4 inches cable type micro->mine I got is 4 wire |
| 22:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | :-(( |
| 22:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10027 |
| 22:46.08 | jacekowski | btw. i've found a bug with headphones and phonecalls |
| 22:46.11 | jacekowski | headset* |
| 22:46.21 | jacekowski | when somebody called me and i plugged in headset |
| 22:46.29 | jacekowski | proximity sensor was still active |
| 22:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:46.53 | tripzero | heh |
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| 22:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: be happy it's not detecting the transient short on mic ring as a press of holdbutton and releases call, on plugin |
| 22:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
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| 22:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: anyway ID is connected to GAYA only and not supposed to help a lot in switching musb controller core |
| 22:55.52 | jacekowski | maybe gaia is doing some shit and passing it to musb controller |
| 22:56.34 | jacekowski | besides, i think it's just pin that nolo is reading and then configuring usb properly |
| 22:56.38 | alterego | This FCam stuff is nice, though the examples aren't very Qt at all .. |
| 22:56.56 | alterego | I'm writing my own viewfinder widget at the moment. It's quite fun :) |
| 22:57.15 | alterego | Going to have nice pretty transparent overlays to create my UI with |
| 22:58.08 | alterego | I think I'll model it slightly on the built in camera application but obviously with the full customizations we have available through the FCam API's. And then I'll work on a filter plugin interface so I can write some neat filters I can distribute/package seperately if needed. |
| 22:59.15 | jacekowski | camera app that can save to png would be nice |
| 22:59.21 | SpeedEvil | the right way to do the filters is really DSP |
| 22:59.24 | SpeedEvil | but it's hard |
| 22:59.39 | alterego | jacekowski: I'll bare it in mind, configurable file format conversions. |
| 22:59.41 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: it's in practice probably not very imporant. |
| 22:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: gaya can not pass anything to musb core directly, needs to go via cpu |
| 22:59.58 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: the camera cannot physically resolve 5MP - the lens is not large enough. |
| 23:00.02 | alterego | s/conversions/saving format/ |
| 23:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | so no real use in ID pin |
| 23:00.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why gaya? |
| 23:00.22 | SpeedEvil | And I need to do a resolution test at some point |
| 23:00.24 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, nolo is checking it |
| 23:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | well nolo is sw, so what is it nolo does to musb core and PHY that musb_core.c can't? |
| 23:01.33 | jacekowski | nothing |
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| 23:14.34 | alterego | According to docs the Native resolution of the N900's camera is 2592x1968 |
| 23:14.42 | alterego | SpeedEvil: ^ |
| 23:15.27 | luke-jr | alterego: sounds about right |
| 23:15.47 | luke-jr | that's why there's black edges on left/right in Camera |
| 23:16.39 | alterego | Really? I see them at the top/bottom .. |
| 23:16.46 | alterego | I don't see any on the left or right edges. |
| 23:17.34 | luke-jr | left/right in landscape |
| 23:17.44 | luke-jr | also, I think it doesn't default to 5 MP |
| 23:17.48 | SpeedEvil | alterego: The native resolution of the sensor is that, yes. |
| 23:18.08 | SpeedEvil | alterego: The lens cannot physically resolve the incoming light onto independant pixels though. |
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| 23:18.40 | thunderfest | hello all |
| 23:18.50 | alterego | Heh min image size: 160x120 |
| 23:18.53 | alterego | Nice ... :D |
| 23:18.57 | alterego | I wonder what they look like .. |
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| 23:28.33 | jacekowski | so explain then why there is full usb host mode code in nolo |
| 23:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | or walk musb core thru a number of faked events on USB to simulate a HNP handover |
| 23:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | heritage? |
| 23:29.03 | jacekowski | it doesn't look like heritage |
| 23:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | from whatever times |
| 23:29.12 | jacekowski | at least not from different phone |
| 23:29.18 | jacekowski | maybe different version |
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| 23:29.30 | jacekowski | but that would mean there was n900 version with host mode working |
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| 23:29.53 | SpeedEvil | There is rememnants int he code of an alternative phy IIRC |
| 23:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | remember N900 not always had 1707. There are surely some N900 protos somewhere that use GAYA PHY and probably have no problem with hostmode |
| 23:30.45 | jacekowski | why they added that chip anyways? |
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| 23:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | charger detection, recovery charging |
| 23:31.00 | alterego | INFO: Sensor Manufacturer: Nokia |
| 23:31.00 | alterego | INFO: Sensor Model: Nokia N900 |
| 23:31.03 | alterego | Teeheehee |
| 23:31.09 | alterego | Well, that was useless :) |
| 23:32.01 | jacekowski | emergency charging isn't dependant on 1707 |
| 23:32.11 | jacekowski | fast emergency charge is |
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| 23:32.34 | jacekowski | and as i've noticed they had different charger chip as well |
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| 23:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, probably the other charger chip didn't play nicely with 1707 |
| 23:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | anyway rumour has it fist version of GAYA had no charger-detect so they needed another PHY |
| 23:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | first* |
| 23:36.05 | jacekowski | when did it became GAYA? |
| 23:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | by now they probably happiöly could revert to original design, as GAYA knows to detect charger meanwhile. Isn't that a sarcastic joke of reality? |
| 23:37.11 | ds3 | if it is like other setups, the 1707 to OMAP3 should be a ULPI bus |
| 23:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
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| 23:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's why swapping PHY was simple. GAYA has ULPI as well |
| 23:38.27 | ds3 | so it should be a matter of implement the hostmode command in the MUSB driver and have that send a command to the PHY |
| 23:38.51 | LjL | so in the end i've got a used Motorola Milestone rather than a used N900. wonder if i made the best choice. i guess i could always sell it and get an N900 once i know Android and MeeGo work properly on it! :| |
| 23:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | nope, the 1707 doesn't know about the magic command to fake a grounded IDD pin |
| 23:39.35 | ds3 | OTG does not require grounded ID pin for hostmode |
| 23:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | nope it also can do HNP |
| 23:40.15 | jacekowski | does HNP work with n900 with stock kernel? |
| 23:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | see my lengthy post some lines above, starting[2010-07-24 01:26:11] <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: musb core is waiting for a msg from PHY saying "ID |
| 23:40.33 | ds3 | HNP is mostly code in the MUSB stuff |
| 23:40.46 | ds3 | there is some things the PHY needs to signal but that is mainly for OTG-OTG connections |
| 23:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | basically it should, but PHY isn't connected to VBUS directly, instead it has a 1k saying "for device-mode-only devices only" in app notes |
| 23:41.42 | alterego | The N900 can't do the strobe effect like in the fcam demos |
| 23:42.16 | ds3 | the lack of connection to VBUS would prevent it from doing full HNP support against another OTG device |
| 23:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: not exactly, it's always the statemachine in musb core controller hw that gives us the headache |
| 23:42.28 | ds3 | but we don't care about that |
| 23:42.44 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: that gives everyone headaches :( |
| 23:44.00 | ds3 | has anyone actually tried just implementing the code for the PHY and seeing if the host command works like on the 8x0? |
| 23:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | statemachine in musbcore can go to hostmode on a) ID-gnd signal from PHY, b) HNP sequence of evens from PHY, c) force_host in debug register |
| 23:44.03 | FireFly | Hi, when I plug the N900 in as USB mass storage mode, it appears as two /dev/sd* devices, but neither has any partitions (only the sd(letter) devices). Any idea why? |
| 23:44.33 | alterego | FireFly: the 32G storage doesn't have any partitions, you just mount the device. |
| 23:44.47 | FireFly | Hm |
| 23:44.49 | alterego | And if you've not got a micro SD inserted, that wont show up with partitions either, just device node. |
| 23:44.50 | luke-jr | 27G* |
| 23:44.52 | alterego | (I think. |
| 23:45.05 | FireFly | I'm pretty sure I have a microSD plugged in, though |
| 23:45.09 | alterego | luke-jr: Shouldn't that be 32G* (* NB: Not really 32G) |
| 23:45.10 | alterego | :P |
| 23:45.23 | alterego | FireFly: maybe it is not partitioned. |
| 23:45.24 | FireFly | Oh |
| 23:45.26 | luke-jr | alterego: nah, 27G |
| 23:45.34 | FireFly | Prehaps |
| 23:45.37 | FireFly | Perhaps* |
| 23:45.46 | FireFly | Anyway, mounting MyDocs went fine |
| 23:45.48 | FireFly | thanks |
| 23:45.52 | alterego | luke-jr: is this where you tell me it's American gigs too? :P |
| 23:46.24 | alterego | I'm going to have some serious fun tomorrow I think ... |
| 23:46.30 | luke-jr | alterego: no, it's really 27 GB :p |
| 23:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: N8x0 has completely different PHY |
| 23:46.40 | luke-jr | alterego: the entire eMMC is 29 GB, and Maemo uses 2 GB for /home |
| 23:47.02 | alterego | Serious fun with Qt, fcam and gstreamer. |
| 23:47.07 | alterego | But now it is bed time :) |
| 23:47.36 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: yes, that's why I said implementing the PHY code |
| 23:47.37 | jacekowski | 32GiB |
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| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: actually probably nobody did |
| 23:48.23 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: the 4030 PHY also lacks the code to do this... i been meaning to get that code implemented |
| 23:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | as the datasheets are quite clear about that. It doesn't support the command. So if it's not a secret leftover or sth |
| 23:48.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so why would that id pin be connected at all then |
| 23:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 23:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | probably they just kept the connection from times where GAYA was PHY |
| 23:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | as it would be utterly insane to remove it anyway |
| 23:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: not sure about 4030 GAYA. You probably could reprogram the GPIO that's connected to ID |
| 23:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | so brute force ID pin to any state you like |
| 23:51.26 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: too slow |
| 23:51.31 | luke-jr | I just got host mode working |
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| 23:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | also I'm not informed about PHY in GAYA capability to deal with that command sent down the ULPI |
| 23:52.11 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, well, everyone can talk from their arse :P |
| 23:52.17 | luke-jr | not sure I can repeat it yet tho |
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| 23:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: well, that's nice news, but not yet anything particularly new |
| 23:52.55 | luke-jr | if you send just the right signals to the 5MP cam (requires new fcam drivers) and the FM transmitter, you can materialize a trace from the ID pin to a spare GPIO |
| 23:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | quite a number of people got hostmode working, with at least 2 methods |
| 23:53.20 | *** join/#maemo AlMehdi (~AlMehdi@c-db31e255.03-135-6c756c90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 23:53.33 | luke-jr | with some tweaking, maybe OTG support |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's novel though |
| 23:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:53.45 | luke-jr | just gotta get the lead from the GPIO to the USB socket |
| 23:53.47 | luke-jr | :D |
| 23:54.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: indeed. it'd be the killer app of free software, since I'd patent it and use a really viral license :D |
| 23:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | google for prodders |
| 23:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking about hybrid prodders, combined with organic semiconductors |
| 23:55.55 | luke-jr | Used as a disparaging term for a Protestant. prod (pr d). tr.v. prod·ded, prod· ding, prods. 1. To jab or poke, as with a pointed object. ... |
| 23:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | the sort you can print with a ink printer |
| 23:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, they are called fabers |
| 23:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | fabbers even |
| 23:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | needs a beer |
| 23:59.17 | luke-jr | lol |
| 23:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 23:59.45 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: google Fab@Home |
| 23:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |