| 00:00.00 | asj | luke-jr: it can't see they you are looking at it |
| 00:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | seems prox sensor is acive during established call only, by default |
| 00:01.08 | asj | DocScrutinizer: heh, who did you call? ex? |
| 00:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 00:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity# cat state |
| 00:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | open |
| 00:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:/sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity# cat state |
| 00:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | closed |
| 00:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | works though |
| 00:02.48 | luke-jr | asj: if there's nothing directly in front of it, I'm usually looking at it |
| 00:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | closed means covered |
| 00:03.11 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: open/close is also logged :) |
| 00:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | open means "you're looking at it" |
| 00:04.51 | luke-jr | basically |
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| 00:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I'd be surprised if it were active all the time. OTOH cam lens slider switch *is* active all the time, and it's same component |
| 00:05.10 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it seems to be |
| 00:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | meh, seems far IR. Cam doesn't show any activity, though there evidently has to be some |
| 00:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | ergo-> cam can't detect pox's IR |
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| 00:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | cam *can* detect CIR LED though, nice blue(!) |
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| 00:21.23 | asj | my phone is sitting on the desk right now face up, not looking at it ;) |
| 00:22.55 | luke-jr | asj: if it was on, you'd see it |
| 00:23.20 | luke-jr | I might want mine to show a fullscreen clock in that case :) |
| 00:23.33 | luke-jr | too bad the case doesn't have some kind of human-contact sensor |
| 00:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | CIR LED as seen by N900 maincam (without using a mirror or a black hole :-P) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10033 |
| 00:24.13 | luke-jr | Videos are unable to play. Either you have an older version of Adobe's Flash player, or javascript is turned off. Update to the latest Flash player. |
| 00:24.22 | luke-jr | no still? |
| 00:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | microb playback is absolute crap on mp4 recorded with N900. download and playback with mediaplayer |
| 00:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: same here on laptop. Use N900 :-P |
| 00:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | microb is uttering some AdobeFlash9 when getting contxt menu of video |
| 00:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | no idea what's wrong on desktop linux |
| 00:27.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: N900 is building kdelibs |
| 00:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | kill -sigstop |
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| 00:29.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no thanks |
| 00:29.38 | luke-jr | :_ |
| 00:29.45 | luke-jr | btw |
| 00:29.52 | luke-jr | N900 can't build WebKit still |
| 00:29.54 | luke-jr | :( |
| 00:30.14 | luke-jr | but then, I also discovered people were havign trouble building it on x86 with 4 GB RAM :P |
| 00:30.33 | luke-jr | apparently that thing is really really really greedy |
| 00:30.45 | ShadowJK | sounds like c++ |
| 00:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | mp4 and ovi share both suck |
| 00:31.14 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: please explain the relevance of C++ to the linker. |
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| 00:31.47 | asj | luke-jr: it seems to have an enormous number of symbols, C++ may not help there |
| 00:32.19 | asj | and it seems to trigger some linker bugs on other platforms too |
| 00:33.27 | luke-jr | of course, then there's cmake... |
| 00:33.30 | luke-jr | piece of crap |
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| 00:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 00:42.43 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, thats a pretty hue. |
| 00:42.51 | lcuk | how well does it come through with the face cam? |
| 00:43.03 | lcuk | and at what sort of range |
| 00:43.25 | lcuk | when i looked with the normal cam it wasnt great and i know theres a filter over the face-cam |
| 00:44.09 | cehteh | that filter is called touchscreen foil :P |
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| 00:44.39 | lcuk | ahh DocScrutinizer its coming through reasonably |
| 00:44.56 | lcuk | and if i did it to detect temporal flashing |
| 00:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | lost me |
| 00:46.09 | rafaelbrandao | about the libfprint issue, the program is executed and finished, then a few seconds later: everything is frozen and the system restart. :\ |
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| 00:46.36 | Gryllida | is it the right place to ask about how to upload to maemo extras? |
| 00:46.37 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, shine your IR led into the face came and record it |
| 00:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't even know how to do that |
| 00:47.00 | lcuk | welcome Gryllida, ask sensible questions and we will try to answer |
| 00:47.26 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ok nm just ponderments |
| 00:47.39 | lcuk | i just shone my remote control into face cam and saw it flashing |
| 00:47.47 | lcuk | hence the temporal bit ;) |
| 00:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 00:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | use 3. flash with maybe 25 Hz |
| 00:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | get a pretty decent signal, even with bright sunlight interfering |
| 00:49.30 | lcuk | yeah, attempt to sync with the cam |
| 00:49.45 | lcuk | yeah the flashing has a problem |
| 00:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | ok, make that 12Hz |
| 00:49.53 | lcuk | it would effectively halve the res |
| 00:50.16 | lcuk | detection points would be 2x as far away |
| 00:50.37 | lcuk | because i cannot accurately locate where it isnt - although, i could interpolate |
| 00:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:50.55 | lcuk | but i would be gaining 1 frame of lag |
| 00:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | can't accurately tell where it isn't - nicely put |
| 00:51.25 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | without sync you'll even have 2 frames as you always get one frame crap |
| 00:52.36 | lcuk | yeah aliasing effects |
| 00:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | even rolling shutter |
| 00:53.04 | lcuk | sure, the leds arent really a problem |
| 00:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 00:53.19 | lcuk | i grab gravitational centre of blobs |
| 00:53.36 | lcuk | so even a smear works nicely |
| 00:53.46 | Gryllida | hello? |
| 00:53.46 | lcuk | as long as its on the same frame ;) |
| 00:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah that'S the point of rolling shutter |
| 00:54.02 | lcuk | <lcuk> welcome Gryllida, ask sensible questions and we will try to answer |
| 00:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | may see two on one off |
| 00:54.41 | lcuk | yeah at least bright only i am able to grab at ~25fps |
| 00:54.48 | Gryllida | Thaank you lcuk, I've uploaded a package to Maemo Extras website and seem to be unable to find where to edit its description. |
| 00:55.11 | lcuk | Gryllida, the debian packaging itself specifies the description |
| 00:55.50 | lcuk | it is the central source for your information - configure the package and include description as per debian packaging specifications and the description will come through |
| 00:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | it's in file named 'control' |
| 00:56.22 | lcuk | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 00:59.19 | MohammadAG | umm, how do I check which process has /var/lib/dpkg/lock locked? |
| 00:59.51 | lcuk | its either ham fapman or dpkg :P |
| 00:59.51 | Gryllida | lcuk: I uploaded the source to the website, including the filled-out 'control' file, it compiles and orks on the Maemo machine. However the website builds it and then the description doesn't show up. |
| 01:00.15 | lcuk | Gryllida, which package is it |
| 01:00.22 | MohammadAG | lcuk, heh, not on my PC |
| 01:00.34 | MohammadAG | oh and ham doesn't lock it, apt-worker does :P |
| 01:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fuser? |
| 01:00.55 | lcuk | throws a frals @ u |
| 01:01.08 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, tried that but... |
| 01:01.10 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 01:01.10 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ |
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| 01:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | err, so it's not locked but shere existence of lockfile is the problem. Just rm XP |
| 01:02.09 | Gryllida | lcuk, 'which' as in? |
| 01:02.26 | MohammadAG | touch worked |
| 01:02.35 | MohammadAG | installs hildon-desktop on his laptop |
| 01:02.37 | lcuk | Gryllida, I meant what is the name of your package and the url that is not showing what you expect. |
| 01:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | Gryllida: name of package, URL etc |
| 01:03.33 | MohammadAG | brb |
| 01:03.39 | Gryllida | http://maemo.org/packages/view/qtmeye/ ... |
| 01:03.45 | Gryllida | hides |
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| 01:06.40 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 01:06.48 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop doesn't start |
| 01:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | Gryllida: strange |
| 01:06.52 | lcuk | Gryllida, on the packages page you just linked to, the description is correct |
| 01:07.09 | Gryllida | as in, I don't see it at all? |
| 01:07.25 | lcuk | Description: A simple Qt application for testing eyes vision acuity. |
| 01:07.25 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.25 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.25 | lcuk | XSBC-Bugtracker: |
| 01:07.42 | lcuk | website: |
| 01:07.43 | lcuk | A simple Qt application for testing eyes vision acuity. |
| 01:07.43 | lcuk | Further Information: qt4.garage.maemo.org |
| 01:07.44 | lcuk | Section: |
| 01:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:08.02 | Gryllida | doesn't see it |
| 01:08.11 | MohammadAG | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getName' <- any ideas? |
| 01:08.36 | lcuk | i am going to bed, but Gryllida refresh the page perhaps |
| 01:08.47 | lcuk | shrugs and heads off to bed |
| 01:08.50 | Gryllida | oh, ok, looks like it's there now |
| 01:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | nightynight lcuk |
| 01:08.55 | lcuk | \o |
| 01:08.56 | Gryllida | good night |
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| 01:09.16 | MohammadAG | night lcuk |
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| 01:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | off for his special flavour of relaxing |
| 01:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | aka falling catatonic watching shit in TV |
| 01:13.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | tell you, this auto portrait is a PITA |
| 01:14.09 | MohammadAG | ugh, damn hildon-desktop |
| 01:14.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | and seems sh-ctl-r is working everywhere to switch it off at least ?-D |
| 01:15.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D even |
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| 01:33.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | well I can say I don't particularly like xchat in portrait mode |
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| 01:45.10 | opdf2 | Sometimes when I go back to a previos webpage, MicroB doesn't show it until I scroll. Is that normal? |
| 01:46.16 | Gryllida | hi, any organisators of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 online? |
| 01:46.25 | Gryllida | >.> |
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| 01:48.38 | DrGrov | Sorry for off-topic but this is the place to ask from mobile gurus |
| 01:48.44 | DrGrov | Is it possible to use a Blackberry in Europe? |
| 01:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 01:49.41 | asj | some blackberries are cdma only |
| 01:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, those won't have an easy time here |
| 01:50.49 | DrGrov | Any idea where to buy one and get 3G support and hopefully unlocked ? |
| 01:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | blue... err blackberries are sold in every mobile store here though |
| 01:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 01:51.34 | DrGrov | Unfortunately the problem in Finland that there is no official retailer |
| 01:51.37 | asj | DrGrov: well buy one with 2100mhz umts support, it'll be listed as part of the spec |
| 01:52.25 | luke-jr | so is there any hope whatsoever for N900 GPS? |
| 01:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | gprs 4band + umts ans you should be fine with it. Then get dataplan of whatever provider of your choice |
| 01:52.50 | DrGrov | I have a dataplan already |
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| 01:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: huh? |
| 01:53.10 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: looks like it's basically closed as N810, but worse |
| 01:53.11 | DrGrov | asj: ok, thanks. i will search for that. |
| 01:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 01:53.22 | DrGrov | I thought I would like to give a Blackberry a run for its money |
| 01:53.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: undocumented phonet protocol, and doesn't even output NMEA |
| 01:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | you'll have to live with some Nokia blob |
| 01:54.51 | luke-jr | never |
| 01:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | unless someone REs it |
| 01:55.24 | luke-jr | so MeeGo will be GPS-less? |
| 01:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | shouldn't be too hard probably, as I guess the main heavy lifting algorithm wise is done inside the GPS chip anyway, and it's just the friggin intergace and dataformat therein that isn't exaactly convenient |
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| 01:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | good question, I have no idea |
| 01:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess ofono will deal with it |
| 01:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | as GPS is part of the cellmo aiui |
| 01:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | dunno where from those dudes have their specs |
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| 01:58.53 | DrGrov | Should I buy a new Blackberry or a used one? Which is the better way to go? |
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| 02:01.49 | Termana | good morning |
| 02:11.47 | Gryllida | morning |
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| 02:46.36 | GAN900 | Stupid shit GPS |
| 02:46.56 | GAN900 | eCoach now thinks my top speed on my run was 49MPH. . . . |
| 02:48.46 | asj | GAN900: sounds like ecoach needs some filtering |
| 02:52.18 | mortini | GAN900: sweeet. |
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| 02:53.32 | jaem | 'Evening folks |
| 02:54.42 | Gryllida | hi |
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| 02:56.35 | jaem | Does anyone know what the purpose of the /usr/lib/cruft directory on my N900 is? |
| 02:56.54 | jaem | I looked at the script in there, but I wasn't sure of the context. |
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| 03:22.28 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 03:22.36 | MohammadAG51 | the N900's cam takes epic photos |
| 03:22.48 | MohammadAG51 | without the battery cover |
| 03:22.52 | jaem | Oh? |
| 03:22.58 | jaem | It makes a difference? |
| 03:23.06 | MohammadAG51 | a big difference tbh |
| 03:23.18 | jaem | Hmm... |
| 03:23.24 | jaem | gets out the duct tape |
| 03:23.29 | MohammadAG51 | the blue part makes photos look shit |
| 03:23.33 | asj | and your battery cover isn't scratched up/dirty? |
| 03:23.57 | MohammadAG51 | no, it has an annoying blue colour on the slide |
| 03:24.10 | MohammadAG51 | which the flash reflects from |
| 03:24.29 | MohammadAG51 | to make it worse, a chrome bezel surrounds that :p |
| 03:24.51 | jaem | MohammadAG51: Thanks for the tip - I'll check that out later. |
| 03:25.06 | MohammadAG51 | needs a black marker |
| 03:27.56 | luke-jr | so... moving 30 metres changes 2 values in the GPS data |
| 03:28.07 | jaem | MohammadAG51: I have one in my pocket if you can figure out a way to pass it to you over IRC :) |
| 03:29.46 | MohammadAG51 | DCC, duh :P |
| 03:30.00 | jaem | MohammadAG51: Ah, right. |
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| 03:31.29 | MohammadAG51 | ~seen javispedro |
| 03:31.32 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 55d 2h 32m 17s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. |
| 03:31.41 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 03:32.28 | asj | MohammadAG: interesting, that makes me want to find a spare cover and "adjust" it |
| 03:33.39 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, should be doable |
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| 03:34.37 | MohammadAG51 | pry off blue part, break apart, use matte black square, reassemble with... well, what Nokia uses, glue |
| 03:35.28 | SpeedEvil | luke: gps? |
| 03:36.25 | SpeedEvil | Maybe GAN's run really was 49MPH - if he can write as he types. |
| 03:36.52 | SpeedEvil | run as |
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| 03:39.44 | GAN900 | I wish. |
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| 03:55.00 | luke-jr | octets 2e and 2f make up GPS eph |
| 03:55.18 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 03:55.31 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: analyzing the data from the phonet GPS socket |
| 03:56.32 | luke-jr | 0x30 *might* be the fraction of the GPS eph |
| 03:59.45 | luke-jr | ponders what units it uses to represent lat/lon |
| 04:00.09 | MohammadAG51 | kelvins, cause it's that messed up |
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| 04:01.16 | MohammadAG51 | yay, My Nokia crashes now |
| 04:04.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 04:06.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: care to get me a GPS packet from a different lat/lon? :) |
| 04:06.45 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: I don't think kelvins can represent coordinates... |
| 04:07.12 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm |
| 04:07.12 | luke-jr | strace -p 6225 -e read=6 2>&1 | grep '| 000' |
| 04:07.19 | luke-jr | where 6225 is the PID of location-daemon |
| 04:07.55 | Macer | hahaha |
| 04:08.09 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/NO_U |
| 04:08.44 | Macer | maybe if you were able to measure the bmr and determine the quantum state of each individual coordinate of space and reference it in a 6 dimentional grid |
| 04:09.30 | Macer | determining the spread of energy across the universe and keeping it constantly updated as the energy spreads throughout the system.. then you can use kelvins |
| 04:09.50 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, how long should it take? |
| 04:09.55 | MohammadAG51 | (strace) |
| 04:09.57 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: a few seconds |
| 04:10.03 | MohammadAG51 | oh, done |
| 04:10.10 | MohammadAG51 | hex? |
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| 04:10.24 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 04:10.36 | MohammadAG51 | why isn't there a hex calculator on the N900 |
| 04:10.38 | luke-jr | cc-byte long one is ideal |
| 04:10.55 | asj | MohammadAG51: install the hp calculator |
| 04:11.11 | MohammadAG51 | already installed, sec |
| 04:11.58 | MohammadAG51 | why aren't there casio emulators |
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| 04:12.46 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: gonna pastebin it? :P |
| 04:15.36 | MohammadAG51 | yeah... right :P |
| 04:16.14 | MohammadAG51 | i would, since i don't usually give a crap, but at a friend's house so, nope :P |
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| 04:21.46 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, hmm, got something to show lon/lat on a map? |
| 04:22.01 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: Google Maps? |
| 04:22.12 | MohammadAG51 | N900 friendly? |
| 04:22.39 | luke-jr | Ovi Maps? |
| 04:22.49 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
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| 04:23.57 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 04:24.04 | MohammadAG51 | that's kinda close |
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| 04:25.15 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 04:25.36 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, convert both values to hex, then check the first two numbers on google maps |
| 04:25.53 | MohammadAG51 | err, to decimals |
| 04:26.07 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: they're nothing like my lat/lon :/ |
| 04:26.10 | MohammadAG51 | seems to be an out of syntax lon/lat |
| 04:26.18 | luke-jr | and that's to be expected |
| 04:26.24 | luke-jr | I can't walk far enough to change lat/lon :) |
| 04:26.30 | MohammadAG51 | weird, they were close here |
| 04:26.39 | luke-jr | I went about 30m |
| 04:27.03 | luke-jr | what was close? |
| 04:27.09 | cehteh | mhm? |
| 04:27.14 | MohammadAG51 | the lon/lat... |
| 04:27.20 | luke-jr | ... |
| 04:27.37 | luke-jr | what values are you looking at? :P |
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| 04:27.52 | luke-jr | I didn't specify the two values I was |
| 04:27.59 | cehteh | when you have bad fix (my wlan/cell tower triangulation) then coords are quite static |
| 04:28.32 | cehteh | aka same position for *some* hundred meters around |
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| 04:46.48 | ShadowJK | Check if they match CellIDs |
| 04:47.12 | ShadowJK | I'd suspect that liblocation queries servers over internet to map cellid to coordinates |
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| 05:00.19 | cehteh | you can query the quality of the fix (how it was obtained and precision) |
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| 05:04.57 | MohammadAG51 | Night (or morning, since it's 8AM :/) |
| 05:05.51 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:05.58 | cehteh | 7:00 here :P |
| 05:06.16 | MohammadAG51 | been awake since 1 PM |
| 05:06.23 | RST38h | "We plan to be rebellious, loud, challenging, critical and outrageously creative right at the heart of Symbian governance." |
| 05:06.32 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 05:06.37 | Stskeeps | RST38h: [citation needed] |
| 05:06.50 | RST38h | -- The Symbian Developer Cooperative |
| 05:06.54 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Happy now? ;) |
| 05:07.10 | MohammadAG51 | bans RST38h from the wiki |
| 05:07.38 | RST38h | http://www.symbiandevco.org/home |
| 05:07.44 | Stskeeps | RST38h: oh dear |
| 05:07.55 | RST38h | exactly |
| 05:08.02 | RST38h | gives a satanic laugh |
| 05:08.39 | MohammadAG51 | lmao http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/antenna-aid-bandages-your-iphone-4-reception-issue-hopes-for-ro/ |
| 05:08.41 | Stskeeps | RST38h: then again, it does illustrate where meego has some benefits |
| 05:09.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: there's very little red tape for any contribution, compared to the shitload in this one.. |
| 05:09.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:09.12 | slonopotamus | outrageously creative! oh my |
| 05:11.34 | asj | http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone-4-antenna-decal.jpg -- I like that one better |
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| 05:12.33 | MiXu- | lol |
| 05:12.57 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I do not see it that way |
| 05:13.52 | RST38h | STskeeps: What I see is business as usual. Nokia adapting Moblin to replae Debian in Maemo. Intel continuing to develop several strains of Moblin for different devices, including mobile. |
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| 05:14.20 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Grudgingly accepting Qt as its toolkit |
| 05:14.35 | RST38h | Stskeeps: As to the rest of us, we are left to watch technology demos |
| 05:15.22 | Stskeeps | mm, i would disagree, but ok |
| 05:15.36 | Stskeeps | while i do complain a lot, there is good parts of what's going on and very positive things |
| 05:15.38 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Continuity with Maemo has been successfully broken by moving the whole meego thing to a different site with a different forum. |
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| 05:16.06 | Stskeeps | otoh, not bringing over the large wad of idiots from tmo.. |
| 05:16.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:16.16 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I am sure there are positive things going on, but the overall direction is as I described above |
| 05:16.49 | Stskeeps | you're thinking continuity with maemo.org though, in terms of maemo, it's not a big leap from the initial harmattan architecture descriptions |
| 05:16.57 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I am not sure not bringing the lemmings has been worth losing continuity |
| 05:17.08 | Stskeeps | where the OS would be a minimal core with a qt stack on top |
| 05:17.17 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Yea, as I said before, Meego is just another generation of Maemo |
| 05:17.59 | RST38h | Stskeeps: So, insisting on it being something new, with its own web sites, forum, etc is rather counterproductive |
| 05:18.25 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Especially after Nokia claimed that it "brings community to the Meego deal" |
| 05:18.25 | Stskeeps | well, i disagree, but so it goes |
| 05:19.26 | Stskeeps | wonders why his laptop sound is hosed |
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| 05:20.08 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: any idea on GPS phonet protocol? |
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| 05:25.36 | cehteh | NMEA in EBCDIC :) |
| 05:26.45 | RST38h | ahahhahaha |
| 05:27.21 | RST38h | When the US government needed to encrypt their data, they contacted IBM for that. |
| 05:27.32 | RST38h | And IBM came up with EBCDIC. |
| 05:27.34 | RST38h | ;) |
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| 05:29.07 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: no sorry, check ISI headers |
| 05:29.09 | luke-jr | ISI? |
| 05:29.36 | Stskeeps | there's this closed pkg with all isi messages, cellmo-something |
| 05:30.28 | luke-jr | ... |
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| 05:31.59 | luke-jr | there is no cellmo-* anything |
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| 05:32.22 | Stskeeps | did you add the closed nokia-binaries repo to your sdk? |
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| 05:34.05 | luke-jr | I don't use a SDK |
| 05:34.10 | Stskeeps | well then |
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| 05:34.23 | luke-jr | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cellmo-icpr82-headers/ says Nokia added then removed it |
| 05:34.28 | luke-jr | so I guess there's no place to get it |
| 05:34.33 | Stskeeps | ah, lovely |
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| 05:38.02 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I managed to figure out a couple of items |
| 05:38.07 | luke-jr | but not the all-important lat/lon :/ |
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| 05:56.36 | iPeter- | hi |
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| 05:57.09 | iPeter- | what could be wrong. i got tv cables, i connect it to tv and output is black. i hear sounds.. |
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| 05:58.19 | redeeman | SpeedEvil, tried offline mode now, doesnt change anything |
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| 06:12.21 | iPeter- | anyone? |
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| 06:23.11 | LiraNuna | ;_; @ vsync bug |
| 06:23.14 | LiraNuna | so annoying |
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| 06:36.20 | cehteh | vsync bug? .. there is no vsync at all :P |
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| 06:41.36 | LiraNuna | cehteh, yeah, that ;_; |
| 06:42.02 | cehteh | it cant be buggy when its not there :) |
| 06:42.17 | LiraNuna | meh, you know what I mean |
| 06:42.33 | cehteh | :P |
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| 07:09.58 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: meh, tokyo magnitude is depressing :P |
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| 07:16.02 | peb_ | STSkeeps, are you based in Tokyo? |
| 07:16.10 | Stskeeps | no |
| 07:16.15 | Stskeeps | anime |
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| 07:16.47 | peb_ | Ok, I should grab a cup of coffee first before joining IRC communications .. |
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| 07:22.40 | ljp | Stskeeps is an anime? |
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| 07:28.40 | RST38h | Hmmm |
| 07:29.47 | Stskeeps | ponders idly what the ubuntu guys were smoking when moving all buttons to left side of window |
| 07:29.54 | TermanaN900 | ljp, as in the name of one? not an anime fan, but i dont think so |
| 07:30.14 | TermanaN900 | Stskeeps is in an anime though |
| 07:30.45 | ljp | i guess its better than being a shell script |
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| 07:31.07 | RST38h | Stskeeps: were playing pocket billiards most likely |
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| 07:34.31 | Coke | Hi guys! My N900 disconnects rather often from the mobile internet and then cannot reconnect unless I do a restart. Is this a problem with my SIM-card, the carrier or Maemo? |
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| 07:36.41 | kejen | is there a spellchecker for microb? I would of bet my car there was before today, but seriously can't find one. |
| 07:36.44 | TermanaN900 | Coke, have you tried in another phone? |
| 07:36.53 | toggles_w | anyone know how to delete modest contacts? if I delete a contact in the adress book modest for some reasno still hangs on to it.. |
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| 07:37.35 | Coke | TermanaN900: no. sry. |
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| 07:38.51 | jacekowski | Tuco11: it's same address book as your contact list |
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| 07:39.59 | TermanaN900 | Coke, mine never does it and i can stay connected basically all day. So i would say its something to do with your carrier or maybe the APN your using? |
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| 07:41.07 | Coke | TermanaN900: APN ? |
| 07:41.12 | Coke | TermanaN900: yeah, might just be the carrier. |
| 07:41.37 | Coke | Just wanted to check with another N900 owner. |
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| 07:44.04 | kejen | anyone know about a spell checker for microb? |
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| 07:44.17 | jacekowski | yeah, brain |
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| 07:46.15 | Coke | TermanaN900: thanks for the reply! |
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| 08:05.25 | iPeter- | what could be wrong. i got tv cables, i connect it to tv and output is black. i hear sounds.. |
| 08:05.35 | iPeter- | os maemo 5 |
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| 08:17.41 | RST38h | iPeter: check PAL/NTSC mode selection |
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| 08:23.11 | iPeter- | RST38h: its on pal and here we use pal |
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| 08:30.27 | nidO | obvious question, you're plugging the cables into the right sort of 3-socket composite input, not rgb inputs, right? |
| 08:31.35 | RST38h | He must have got a SCART for RGB |
| 08:31.40 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
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| 08:32.17 | TermanaN900 | RST38h, you laugh like that a lot lately - have you been to hell and back? |
| 08:32.21 | nidO | well, or hes trying to put the three composite cables into three of the 5 inputs available for component rgb :p |
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| 08:32.35 | nidO | thatd give sound if he gets the right one plugged in right, but no picture obviously |
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| 08:35.43 | iPeter- | no. it worked before n same tv, same cable.. |
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| 08:37.32 | Khertan | Morning everyone |
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| 08:37.34 | iPeter- | its 3socet yellow, white and red, works on ext3 channel |
| 08:37.38 | iPeter- | RST38h: .. |
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| 08:38.32 | iPeter- | and when i plug it in, screen on tv changes from blue to black.. |
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| 08:42.24 | kerio | so... is the front camera *that* crappy or it's just Mirror that sucks? |
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| 08:42.54 | jacekowski | front camera is the problem |
| 08:42.57 | X-Fade | Mirror doesn't use the sunglasses compensation :) |
| 08:43.22 | MiXu- | Does it look equally crappy in video calls? |
| 08:43.29 | jacekowski | yes |
| 08:43.32 | X-Fade | No |
| 08:43.36 | jacekowski | yes |
| 08:43.38 | iPeter- | nope |
| 08:43.38 | X-Fade | They clean it up a bit. |
| 08:43.52 | MiXu- | Is it fullscreen in video call, or smaller? |
| 08:43.52 | jacekowski | well, it's still a crap |
| 08:43.57 | iPeter- | but anyone 2 my question? |
| 08:44.05 | iPeter- | smaller |
| 08:44.05 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Yes, but not as crappy :) |
| 08:44.15 | MiXu- | smaller -> doesn't look as crappy :) |
| 08:44.37 | MiXu- | small pile of shit is better than a big pile. |
| 08:44.51 | jacekowski | but it's still pile of shit |
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| 08:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | moin konttori |
| 08:54.22 | Scelt | has nokia released yet any info about the first meego device? model name, prototype images or anything? |
| 08:54.52 | X-Fade | Scelt: Do you really think you'd need to ask that if so? |
| 08:55.15 | Stskeeps | Scelt: gruntmaster 3000 |
| 08:55.31 | Scelt | thanks for the very precious information! |
| 08:55.43 | Scelt | you really answered my humble question |
| 08:55.46 | iPeter- | first meegodevice can make coffee |
| 08:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | any PR1.3 yet? |
| 08:56.24 | iPeter- | atleast that proto what they made |
| 08:56.41 | Scelt | you are so sweet guys |
| 08:56.43 | Scelt | thanks! |
| 08:57.11 | iPeter- | why i get only black screen when i connect my n900 to tv? i hear sounds from tv but no video.. |
| 08:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | Scelt: Nokia *never* announces new items, the appear magically when they appear |
| 08:57.29 | iPeter- | Scelt: #meego |
| 08:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 |
| 08:58.18 | infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 08:58.30 | Myrtti | ohai |
| 08:58.33 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer: I've seen images of N8 |
| 08:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | seems we should augment that to any new PR evrsion rsp new device |
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| 09:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | Scelt: there are also indications next device might be internal name RX-71, and maybe has no hw-kbd except a dialing block |
| 09:02.41 | Scelt | nice |
| 09:04.15 | X-Fade | Hmmm FCam is cool. |
| 09:05.41 | X-Fade | This cam app really lets you play with a lot of settings :) |
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| 09:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | ooh? |
| 09:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: blessn900 is not worth it anyway |
| 09:12.30 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No but FCam is the real deal. |
| 09:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of |
| 09:12.58 | X-Fade | Guys from Stanford made it. |
| 09:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | mhm. I found the pr1.2 genuine cam doing a really awesome job |
| 09:13.30 | X-Fade | Just got uploaded to extras-devel. |
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| 09:14.15 | X-Fade | This one shows light graph, does hdr, burst photos etc etc. |
| 09:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 09:15.43 | X-Fade | http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 09:21.07 | jacekowski | any pics of that fcamera app? |
| 09:21.07 | kerio | cute |
| 09:21.30 | benno2 | Hi, I installed the maemo5 sdk (scratchbox etc) on an Ubuntu 8 box and followed all the docs. I start the maemo window manager with af-sb-init.sh start, the desktop comes up but when opening a QDialog in my app (it has only an OK button) it does not come with the maemo style but looks like a button on the linux desktop.the fonts are too small too compared when running the code on the real device.that way it is hard to develop because I cannot always test on th |
| 09:21.31 | benno2 | e device itself. is there a way to fix this to make the fonts on scratchbox and buttons look exactly as on the N900. thanks for infos! |
| 09:22.55 | amigadave | benno2: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_development#Scratchbox |
| 09:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | damn nice to learn there are Nokia people still actively developing cool new stuff for maemo |
| 09:23.08 | amigadave | run-standalone.sh is probably what you need |
| 09:25.50 | benno2 | amigadave, thanks alot works !! :) |
| 09:25.50 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, what new apps ? :) |
| 09:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 09:33.24 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, cool :) |
| 09:35.49 | jacekowski | that fcam thing isn't in repo |
| 09:36.04 | X-Fade | it is, extras-devel. |
| 09:37.25 | auenf | fcamera is in extras-devel, not fcam iirc |
| 09:37.33 | jacekowski | it's either different extras-devel |
| 09:38.02 | X-Fade | fcamera, yes. The lib is fcam, sorry. |
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| 09:40.52 | benno2 | amigadave, the strange thing I am experiencing on Qt Maemo is: I am using QPlainTextEdit (read only mode) to show some help text and even force the scrollbar to be visible and set textedit->setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); but even though the text is longer than what can be displayed on the QPlainTextEdit no scrollbar is showing up and there is no way to scroll it with the finger. on all other Qt platforms the code works (including symbian) |
| 09:42.07 | amigadave | benno2: i do not know how to fix that, but the guys on #qt-maemo might know |
| 09:42.33 | benno2 | amigadave, thanks. will ask. it sounds like a bug to me, because I just followed the Qt docs. |
| 09:43.59 | jacekowski | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free |
| 09:44.22 | jacekowski | and nothing there |
| 09:45.44 | jacekowski | hmm, it's HAM searchfail |
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| 10:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I don't get it how download statistics is meant to be read |
| 10:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | how can there be falling curves in #dl/time graphs? how can number of downloads diminish? if that's not absolute total of dl, what else is it? Is there no dl-statistics for maemo-devel? |
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| 10:32.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i would expect it's delta of downloads over time |
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| 10:40.18 | frals | DocScrutinizer: download stats where? the ones on maemo.org are #dl/per day |
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| 10:54.28 | timeless_mbp | 2010-07-04 19:25:06.484 Nokia Device Browser[54465] [ASSERT] `[NSThread isMainThread]' -[MTMediaObject dealloc]:808 Method 'dealloc' of object <MTImageObject: 0x17368b20; storage=<MTMediaObjectLocalFileSystemStorage: 0x173272e0; name='20100504_002.jpg', filepath='/Users/timeless/Library/Caches/com.nokia.NokiaMultimediaTransfer/Devices/xxxxxxx.jpg'>> must be called from the main thread |
| 10:54.35 | timeless_mbp | oh this makes me so .... |
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| 10:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: "821" for Y axis, without any unit like "dl/day" or whatever, that doesn't make sense for a delta |
| 10:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | also it's daft |
| 10:57.12 | jacekowski | not really |
| 10:57.22 | jacekowski | it tells you how popularity of program has changed |
| 10:57.31 | jacekowski | but you can get that from total dl chart as well |
| 10:57.42 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: y-axis: Downloads per day |
| 10:57.43 | jacekowski | besides, where do you see that ? |
| 10:57.44 | jacekowski | link |
| 10:57.58 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: That is what it says for me at least :) |
| 10:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | oooh per day. Nice it's written clearly there |
| 10:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | anyway thanks X-Fade |
| 10:58.17 | jacekowski | tbf: mac? |
| 10:58.22 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: mac? |
| 10:58.37 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: can you show me where do you see that chart anyways |
| 10:58.38 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Was worried I forgot something ;) |
| 10:58.40 | jacekowski | i was looking for it |
| 10:58.42 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 10:59.03 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: you see, i don't have that sort of problems on PC |
| 10:59.27 | timeless_mbp | really? |
| 10:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: so the Y is actually moving window size 24h sigma? |
| 11:00.04 | timeless_mbp | is that because you don't use the sysinternals debugview application? :) |
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| 11:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | incredibly comlex, but easy if you once know about it. Just look at the absolute value every 24h |
| 11:00.49 | timeless_mbp | hrm, technet.microsoft.com just advertised ie8 to me |
| 11:01.47 | timeless_mbp | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647.aspx |
| 11:01.52 | timeless_mbp | fwiw is DbgView |
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| 11:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: maybe s/y-axis: Downloads per day/y-axis: Downloads during last 24h/ |
| 11:04.30 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Well that is just not true :) |
| 11:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | so what else is it then? |
| 11:04.46 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: It shows you how many downloads there were on that day. |
| 11:05.05 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: As you can see the date scale lags a day or two. |
| 11:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | I can see that curve having continiously falling segments. That can't happen on a per-day graph |
| 11:07.23 | X-Fade | Sure it can: day1: 10 downloads, day2: 3 downloads. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| 11:07.36 | X-Fade | Don't look into it too deeply ;) |
| 11:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | a per-day graph is supposed to have discontinuities, on every window boundary aka date change |
| 11:08.27 | X-Fade | Ah, you'd like to see a bar graph or something like that? |
| 11:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | so it's a 24h fixed window extrapolated to simulate a moving window |
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| 11:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | with supporting points every 24h and interpolating in between |
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| 11:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: yes, I'd prefer a graph with constant value for 24h, and discontinuities/jumps every 24h boundary. Or call it a bargraph |
| 11:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | I mean dl/day constantly dropping during a day confuses shit out of a dtasheets reading EE |
| 11:16.58 | frals | agrees with DocScrutinizer |
| 11:17.07 | frals | bargraphs to the people! |
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| 11:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | a simple question on same topic: is there a statistic for extras-devel pkgs as well? Seem unable to find it |
| 11:24.23 | achipa | wonders if there is an another WVGA armv7l Linux device with Flash 10.1, or did he just see an N9 |
| 11:25.05 | TomaszD | lbt, the package is ready |
| 11:25.21 | Stskeeps | achipa: hmm? |
| 11:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | look at this for example: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/n900-i18n-pt-br/# I really don't get it what that means |
| 11:27.25 | achipa | Stskeeps: generating some stats on a few web servers... I maintain and I usually generate separate stats for mobile devices (to gauge popularity, etc), and I have a non-Android 800x480 armv7l with Flash 10.1 in the 'unclassified' section |
| 11:27.47 | tybollt | frals: I have too few bars on my N900 - can't nokia show me how to get more bars - like apple did to iphone 4? ;) |
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| 11:28.19 | achipa | tybollt: we need a sking that changes the bar sizes |
| 11:28.24 | achipa | s/sking/skin/ |
| 11:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: I'll do that for you. please move 100 bucks to my account :-P |
| 11:28.39 | Stskeeps | achipa: webos? |
| 11:28.40 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :-) |
| 11:28.55 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, webOS has flash 10.1? |
| 11:29.03 | Stskeeps | dunno |
| 11:29.09 | achipa | MohammadAG51: has been announced for it, but not yet released |
| 11:29.31 | MohammadAG51 | same as the N900 then? |
| 11:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what's the sory with meego and GPS? (sorry I know not completely on topic here) |
| 11:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | story even |
| 11:30.08 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: don't know yet |
| 11:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I gather GPS needs a blob |
| 11:30.18 | achipa | MohammadAG51: nope, it has not even been announced for the N900 (nor MeeGo for that matter) |
| 11:30.20 | Stskeeps | afaik gps sits behind cellmo |
| 11:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:30.30 | Stskeeps | achipa: Movial will be doing ARM flash for meego, it seems like |
| 11:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's the tale |
| 11:31.06 | achipa | Stskeeps: i see, well, at least SOMEONE is working on it :) |
| 11:31.06 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, can't that be backported? |
| 11:32.34 | achipa | Stskeeps: nope, I checked, it's not a Pre |
| 11:33.07 | achipa | does anyone know the Flash version that comes with FroYo ? |
| 11:33.18 | achipa | (just to check if it is maybe a transplant hack) |
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| 11:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | though actually GPS (N6200) module is a separate chip largely unrelated to cellmo, and only is connected to system via i2c to RAPUYAMA cellmo, so basically cellmo just handing thru I'd say |
| 11:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ^^^ |
| 11:33.45 | adalal | i have a quick question, is there a program to connect to a pptp vpn on maemo 5? |
| 11:34.05 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i think the more interesting question is if the gps thing will be a blob plugin inside geoclue or some other framework.. |
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| 11:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I guess that's mainly done to accomodate some weird GSM regulations demanding cellmo has direct access to GPS, for emergency signalling |
| 11:34.39 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: that's possible |
| 11:34.57 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: we haven't discussed gps yet since well, telephony and connectivity is higher priority |
| 11:35.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: could you ask Nokia to document bridging from cellmo interface to the GPS I2C ? |
| 11:36.27 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: as i said to luke earlier today, there used to be ISI headers talking about this stuff |
| 11:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not surprised to find N6200 even talking NMEA to RAPUYAMA cellmo |
| 11:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | or at least being able to do so |
| 11:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | so if we could get a clean transparent bridging through rapuyama, we'd probably better off than with ISI |
| 11:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | does a quick lokup what chip N6200 actually is |
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| 11:44.12 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: could you ask me again in august when people are back? gps matter might be more than a few messages .. also, use case needed |
| 11:44.18 | hno | N6200? |
| 11:44.32 | hno | Ah, the GPS. |
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| 11:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sure. And for usecase: reate FOSS driver for xxxx(wait a minute for s/xxxx/<real GPS chipname>/) |
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| 11:46.17 | alterego | Does ofono support a serial bridge? |
| 11:46.46 | alterego | I think I remember reading somewhere that there's an AT command to switch some kind of session/channel type thing. |
| 11:46.53 | alterego | But I don't recall |
| 11:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | MCS D761660CL |
| 11:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | =N6200 GPS chip |
| 11:48.09 | Stskeeps | navilink? |
| 11:51.49 | DocScrutinizer | Texas Instruments, NL5350, GPS - Single-Chip, A-GPS, NaviLink 5.0, MCS, D761660CL, |
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| 11:53.15 | Stskeeps | sure that's it? |
| 11:53.47 | Stskeeps | same chip as in n8x0 |
| 11:53.48 | Stskeeps | er, n810 |
| 11:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | quite sure about D761660CL, |
| 11:55.00 | Stskeeps | well, then help out with luke-jr's efforts :P |
| 11:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | the rest is a quote from http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Nokia_N900_Mobile_Phone-whatsinside_text-90.aspx - I'd say those dudes know what they are talking about |
| 11:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | help out with luke-jr ? what efforts? |
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| 11:55.47 | Stskeeps | he spent a bunch of time reverse engineering n810's gpsdriver |
| 11:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | ooh I see |
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| 11:59.03 | Stskeeps | any news on the serial console work or charging? |
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| 12:13.51 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ping |
| 12:14.05 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: re: gps packet how |
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| 12:15.07 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: n810s gpsdriver work is mostly unimportant |
| 12:15.22 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: simply as that driver is inside the cellmo. |
| 12:15.26 | Stskeeps | fair enough |
| 12:16.20 | SpeedEvil | On n810 (and indeed neo1973 and some other devices) around 60MHZ CPU was used to do the required sums for that GPS. On the n900 - this does not happen |
| 12:16.26 | SpeedEvil | So the cellmo is doing it |
| 12:17.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer Download statistics where? |
| 12:18.02 | the_lord | Pforce, Hi, I've just downloaded your dropn900 package, thx |
| 12:18.28 | the_lord | Pforce, just one observation, you should include python-qt4 in the deependencies |
| 12:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12776&contentId=30978 |
| 12:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: [2010-07-21 13:35:49] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: could you ask Nokia to document bridging from cellmo interface to the GPS I2C ? |
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| 12:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ( DocScrutinizer Download statistics where?) that's been the question |
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| 12:21.11 | frals | http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 replace fmms with packagename |
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| 12:23.34 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 12:23.44 | MiXu- | frals: For me that just shows code of presumably fetch.php :o |
| 12:23.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: those statstics are summations of the downloads from midnight to midnight |
| 12:23.56 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: naah |
| 12:24.30 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: those are unix timestamps of midnights, and download counts for that day |
| 12:24.43 | MiXu- | oh, I see |
| 12:24.59 | MiXu- | wohoo, my app has been downloaded 54 times |
| 12:25.03 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras |
| 12:25.07 | SpeedEvil | for example |
| 12:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, as I said above: support point every 24h (actually looks like every 48h) and then just "drawing lines in between points" which are largely meanngless |
| 12:25.17 | SpeedEvil | that shows a nice graph |
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| 12:25.23 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:25.23 | MiXu- | Me testing stuff represents probably at least 15 downloads ;) |
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| 12:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ooh this URL looks decent |
| 12:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 12:26.57 | frals | bah, my numbers are low, need to push a new version! |
| 12:26.58 | SpeedEvil | If you look closely, it does in fact have data every 24h |
| 12:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | I still don't get it anyway. What is this http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=starhash-enabler&os=Maemo5&repo=extras-devel telling me now? |
| 12:29.48 | SpeedEvil | Did you upload it yesterday? |
| 12:29.50 | frals | first day you had 82 downloads, second 137 |
| 12:29.53 | SpeedEvil | It's telling you that... |
| 12:29.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah that |
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| 12:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | does that mean 2 days ago ( a period that has no predecessor so it isn't shown) it was ... err yep |
| 12:30.23 | SpeedEvil | so if you haven't pushed a new version, you probably have around 82+137 downloaders |
| 12:30.41 | SpeedEvil | minus ones that have redownloaded it for some reason |
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| 12:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | ok, seems semi-clear now |
| 12:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | just confusing like hell |
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| 12:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'd really prefer absolute since epoch dl-numbers, or at least bargraphs if you're actually showing 24h fixed window #dl |
| 12:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: look at that http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/n900-i18n-pt-br/# I really get confused what to read from it |
| 12:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | you don't tell me there's a 5 days period with absolutely linear decay of dl/day? |
| 12:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | hell that's screwed |
| 12:37.24 | SpeedEvil | when? |
| 12:37.29 | frals | he had 5 days of nearly the same dl/day, then a spike of 500 |
| 12:37.48 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 12:37.56 | SpeedEvil | it's not integrating downloads/day |
| 12:38.01 | SpeedEvil | it's showing the raw figure |
| 12:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, looks different hat 60min ago |
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| 12:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | also this one has two highlighted periods: jul10..12 and jul17..19. Is that just weekend or what? |
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| 12:41.56 | lcuk | bastard dissing our n900 in comments on youtube @/ |
| 12:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | frals: an hour ago it was a different scale on Y, due to the spike at end missing. And it was a completely straight line going down from something like 83 to 60 over 5 days. You'd not expect 5 days in sequence are such exactly linear decay |
| 12:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | more looks like there were no data points during that period and line was drawn from jul12 to jul17 |
| 12:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | or somesuch |
| 12:43.25 | SpeedEvil | look at the raw - php - data |
| 12:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 12:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | nah, can't find that, just 28 lines of embedded js. nevermind. it's just confusing like hell, and largely meaningless or counter-intuitive |
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| 12:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | I wish I could find a decent datasheet about NL5350 |
| 12:51.12 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 |
| 12:51.31 | SpeedEvil | $(function () { var d = [[1262901600000,134],[1262988000000,626],[1263074400000,807],[1263160800000,917],[1263247200000,1898],[1263333600000,1189],[1263420000000,1289],[1263506400000,330],[1263765600000,1322],[1263852000000,1382],[1263938400000,1126],[1264024800000,1954],[1264111200000,2272],[1264197600000,1658],[1264284000000,992],[1264370400000,624],[1264456800000,397],[1264543200000,2274],[1264629600000,2311],[1264716000000,965],[1264802400000 |
| 12:51.41 | SpeedEvil | the pairs are time, and count. |
| 12:51.55 | oKtosiTe | Hello. On my N900, if I pair with certain phones, they can browse my files. I want to do it the other way around, and browse another phone's files. Anyone? |
| 12:51.58 | SpeedEvil | time in seconds after epoch |
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| 12:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks :-) |
| 12:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | now if I'd bother that much and was really good in webshit, I could write my own CSS displaying bargraphs of a constant width of 24h for each tuple, instead of drawing a meaningless line between all the support points |
| 12:56.11 | alterego | oh, the pain |
| 12:57.00 | SpeedEvil | Or you just use gnuplot |
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| 12:57.58 | zash | svg! |
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| 12:59.42 | SpeedEvil | awk 'NR==1{split($7,a,"]");for(x=1;x in a;x++){split(a[x],b,"[,");print b[2],b[3]}}' or something |
| 13:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 13:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | slightly more complex than var plot = $.plot($("#placeholder"), [d], options); |
| 13:02.52 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for keeping patient with me :-) |
| 13:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
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| 13:13.24 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ... |
| 13:14.57 | drizztbsd | hi, where can I find the maemo kernel only? |
| 13:15.17 | drizztbsd | I loaded the meego kernel and I want to return to the maemo one |
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| 13:18.49 | hno | is also not sure why one woult want to run the original kernel instead of the power user variant.. |
| 13:19.45 | drizztbsd | hno: because I don't care about the power kernel modifications? |
| 13:19.48 | dotblank | hmm |
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| 13:22.54 | alterego | drizztbsd: I unpacked mine from the fiasco image. |
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| 13:23.41 | hno | drizztbsd: Some forum posts say "apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher" |
| 13:23.50 | hno | which makes a bit of sense. |
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| 13:25.21 | alterego | hno: I think he's stuck on meego at the moment ... |
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| 13:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | (GPS NL5350) http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0jl7pGiHencJ:lgf.pastebin.com/NB3gDF0E+nl5350&cd=11&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de |
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| 13:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ?? |
| 13:27.44 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wanna help with GPS? |
| 13:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | wanna exploit GPS, plus GPS in meego-N900 / SHR / free&open GPS in maemo... |
| 13:31.00 | luke-jr | .. |
| 13:31.12 | alterego | Is that android gpsd open? :) |
| 13:31.34 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: get a fix and strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep '| 000' |
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| 13:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: o.O |
| 13:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: dunno |
| 13:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | just found it and felt like sharing |
| 13:32.38 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: pastebin some output plz |
| 13:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 13:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
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| 13:35.01 | alterego | did nothing for me luke-jr |
| 13:35.31 | alterego | ah no strace :) |
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| 13:38.33 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: watch out with the heavy function dumps |
| 13:39.21 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 13:40.11 | alterego | luke-jr: lots of output, same segment. is that what you're looking for? |
| 13:40.24 | luke-jr | alterego: maybe |
| 13:40.33 | alterego | luke-jr: do you want a couple of blocks? |
| 13:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: meh, TTFF = epoch |
| 13:41.39 | luke-jr | alterego: yeah |
| 13:41.48 | alterego | luke-jr: http://pastie.org/1053666 |
| 13:41.59 | luke-jr | alterego: specifically, I'm working with ones of length 0xcc |
| 13:42.02 | alterego | all done on my N900 directly from bed :D |
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| 13:42.31 | luke-jr | alterego: care to share lat/lon for reference? :P |
| 13:42.58 | alterego | 52 |
| 13:43.11 | luke-jr | alterego: can you get any 0xcc-length ones? |
| 13:43.24 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: what? |
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| 13:43.50 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: what's needed? |
| 13:43.51 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:43.52 | alterego | luke-jr: 52.0818 0.01789 |
| 13:43.58 | alterego | luke-jr: how? |
| 13:44.22 | luke-jr | alterego: 0xcc is a row labelled 000c0 with 8 + 4 columns |
| 13:44.54 | luke-jr | the actual packets are variable length; I haven't identified what controls that aspect yet |
| 13:45.07 | alterego | weird, it's not outputting 000c |
| 13:45.19 | luke-jr | at all? |
| 13:45.23 | alterego | Nope |
| 13:45.26 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 13:45.32 | alterego | Those blocks were direct copy paste. |
| 13:45.36 | luke-jr | right |
| 13:45.46 | luke-jr | mine tend to vary in length |
| 13:45.54 | alterego | Oh wait, okay |
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| 13:48.23 | alterego | I'd imagne the longer ones are sat info that gets updated every 5 seconds rather than the positional data which is every second. |
| 13:49.22 | luke-jr | alterego: not likely |
| 13:49.46 | luke-jr | I get about 4 or 5 concurrent at times |
| 13:49.51 | luke-jr | s/concurrent/sequential |
| 13:51.03 | alterego | Yeah, noticed that tooo... |
| 13:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: still no fix :-( |
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| 13:52.26 | alterego | luke-jr: reload that pastie and I added a 000c0 length one. |
| 13:52.42 | alterego | Would you prefer it if I just created a file and uploaded it? :) |
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| 13:53.11 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: is there a nice way tot turn on gps? |
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| 13:55.10 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: advanced geocaching tool thing locks GPS on |
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| 13:56.14 | SpeedEvil | That would mean I need to go outside though... |
| 13:56.17 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 13:56.38 | luke-jr | lol |
| 13:56.39 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:56.39 | luke-jr | why |
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| 13:57.19 | SpeedEvil | phone is outside, in greenhouse, with a clear view of the sky |
| 13:57.26 | SpeedEvil | I forgot to turn GPS on. |
| 13:58.42 | alterego | SpeedEvil: run: http://alterego.metapath.org/Columbus |
| 13:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | blargh. had to close all apps using GPS, and restart gpsjinni -> fix after 30s |
| 13:59.11 | alterego | It just d#ispays GPS info, but it'll start the gps :) |
| 13:59.30 | benno2 | question: I have 2 targets in scratchbox: armel and x86.I test the apps in the x86 targets because I can use pulseaudio etc. I installed subversion on the armel target and it works. but when I change to the x86 target I don't see subversion as installable package. any idea how to do it ? |
| 13:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | really, seems if GPS doesn't manage to get a fix in less than 60s, it never recovers |
| 13:59.39 | Macer | hm |
| 14:00.01 | Macer | what do you do to extract a rar with a password with unrar non-free? |
| 14:00.15 | Macer | i thought it was -p |
| 14:00.21 | Macer | man page is lacking |
| 14:00.28 | alterego | Macer: I thought it prompted... |
| 14:00.31 | SpeedEvil | alterego: that's a binary? |
| 14:00.33 | Macer | hm |
| 14:00.41 | Macer | alterego: me too |
| 14:00.48 | alterego | SpeedEvil: yeah, it's a Qt app I'm working on. |
| 14:00.49 | Macer | guess i will just write it off |
| 14:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://paste.debian.net/81061/ |
| 14:01.12 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 14:02.00 | SpeedEvil | ./Columbus: error while loading shared libraries: libQtLocation.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:02.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.53 | alterego | Hrm, I thought PR1.2 ... |
| 14:03.12 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: where at? |
| 14:03.16 | alterego | It'll be 1t mobility or location or something |
| 14:03.26 | alterego | That's a pain. |
| 14:04.05 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no 0xcc-length pkts in yours |
| 14:04.23 | alterego | luke-jr: almost half a meg for you: http://alterego.metapath.org/strace_location-daemon.dump |
| 14:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: 49.45/11.05 |
| 14:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: what do you need? |
| 14:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | 0xcc length?? |
| 14:05.06 | Macer | hm |
| 14:05.08 | Macer | got it |
| 14:05.11 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, some packets are 0xcc bytes long |
| 14:05.26 | Macer | seems like it didnt want to extract over nfs for some reason |
| 14:05.28 | Macer | odd |
| 14:05.29 | alterego | luke-jr: I've had some go over OxDO |
| 14:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | so longer than normal |
| 14:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 14:05.42 | Macer | ah well. whatever :) |
| 14:05.47 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: pretty normal for me |
| 14:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 14:05.59 | alterego | Macer: readonly fs? :P |
| 14:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | tell me what exactly you want me to do |
| 14:06.56 | alterego | luke-jr: if you'd like I could get my app to log all the gps info in a more user friendly manner and time stamp both. Might help you correlate? |
| 14:07.02 | Macer | alterego: no |
| 14:07.13 | Macer | checked that ;) |
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| 14:07.17 | luke-jr | alterego: maybe :) |
| 14:07.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:07.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that strace cmd; find packets with 0xcc length :) |
| 14:07.56 | alterego | luke-jr: did my previous dump help you at all? :) |
| 14:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | find: pckets : file not found |
| 14:08.04 | luke-jr | alterego: yes |
| 14:08.10 | alterego | cool. |
| 14:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 14:08.18 | alterego | heh |
| 14:08.21 | luke-jr | I identified a couple of regions that change only when on the other side of the world |
| 14:08.33 | alterego | Cool |
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| 14:09.03 | alterego | Maybe we could start a tmo campaign to get users to run this command and give you a larger dataset |
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| 14:09.56 | luke-jr | 7, 20,21, 24,25, 32, 36, 40,41, 56, 6d, c4..cc |
| 14:10.16 | luke-jr | once I get a fix, I can probably turn some of those into "change over hours" |
| 14:10.32 | luke-jr | but it's very cloudy and raining |
| 14:10.33 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 14:10.40 | alterego | Urgh |
| 14:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 12 '| 000c' ?? |
| 14:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: is it that what you need? |
| 14:11.06 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no, I need the full packet, not just the last line |
| 14:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | -B 12 !! |
| 14:11.18 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: as a human you need to manually pick out ones with cc length |
| 14:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | no I won't |
| 14:11.34 | luke-jr | fine, jerk! |
| 14:11.38 | luke-jr | :p |
| 14:12.00 | luke-jr | on the brightside, kdebase 4.4 just finished installing on my N900 |
| 14:12.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | dude, no luck on packets with a line starting "| 000c" |
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| 14:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: could you please verify my above quoted cmd will yield what you need, please! |
| 14:14.18 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: as I told you, it won't. |
| 14:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
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| 14:15.06 | luke-jr | because when you *do* find a packet the correct length, I need *all* the lines, not just the one starting with 000c |
| 14:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.17 | alterego | Because you're greping for lines that have 000c |
| 14:15.41 | alterego | Oh, that might wolrk then :P |
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| 14:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | so again!! |
| 14:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: could you please verify my above quoted cmd will yield what you need, please! |
| 14:16.15 | luke-jr | oh |
| 14:16.17 | luke-jr | missed that |
| 14:16.19 | luke-jr | maybe |
| 14:17.00 | alterego | I'll give it a go as I'm getting lots of c0.s |
| 14:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | still no hit here |
| 14:18.18 | luke-jr | I'm only getting b* now; I suspect because no fix |
| 14:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I ask for verification of syntax/semantics |
| 14:18.18 | alterego | Works for me :) |
| 14:18.18 | luke-jr | it's possible 3D fix is needed for cc length |
| 14:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | I have 3D |
| 14:18.28 | alterego | Some are d0 though ... |
| 14:18.39 | alterego | And they get truncated .. |
| 14:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | altitude 335.50+/-4.50 |
| 14:19.09 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 14:19.38 | alterego | Is there anything that appears to increment (the time) ... |
| 14:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 1 '| 0001' |
| 14:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | -- |
| 14:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 12 '| 000c' |
| 14:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | bada |
| 14:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | nada |
| 14:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | blargh bada |
| 14:21.16 | alterego | yuk, did you have to do that :P |
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| 14:22.03 | luke-jr | alterego: a number of areas seems to increment |
| 14:22.23 | alterego | Is it true that 0x00 to 0x0f are static? |
| 14:22.53 | luke-jr | alterego: except for that byte I mentioned earlier |
| 14:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ok screwit - no 0xcc length backets here, actually nothing >= 000c0 |
| 14:23.19 | luke-jr | two viable time groups: ad,ae,af or bb,bc,bd |
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| 14:23.35 | luke-jr | alterego: byte 7 is different between you and I |
| 14:24.08 | alterego | I was thinking 0x1a - 0x1b |
| 14:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | is there anything else I can be on service for you, oh master |
| 14:24.33 | luke-jr | 1a,1b are always 00 00 here |
| 14:24.55 | alterego | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.16 | luke-jr | the one you sent me has them 00 00 too |
| 14:25.33 | alterego | strage, every now and again they reset to zero |
| 14:25.44 | alterego | apparently randomly. |
| 14:25.57 | alterego | I'm going to write some scripts to do some analysis |
| 14:26.01 | luke-jr | 5b seems to be a packet counter |
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| 14:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | k, obviously not |
| 14:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 14:26.26 | alterego | Have you managed to actually decode any meaning at all? :) |
| 14:26.48 | luke-jr | yes |
| 14:26.58 | luke-jr | 3c,3d make up your direction of motion in hundredths of a degree |
| 14:27.06 | luke-jr | aka 'track' |
| 14:27.09 | alterego | Wow, that's accurate .. |
| 14:27.20 | luke-jr | 2e,2f is eph in cm |
| 14:27.38 | alterego | Nice. |
| 14:27.42 | alterego | Do you have a wiki page? |
| 14:27.47 | luke-jr | no |
| 14:27.49 | alterego | Would be cool if we could colabborate .. |
| 14:27.52 | alterego | ~collaborate .. |
| 14:30.01 | alterego | Okay, this should be nicer |
| 14:30.15 | alterego | Got that strace command pushing via netcat to a script I can edit on my laptop :) |
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| 14:30.28 | alterego | (using tee to save to file) :) |
| 14:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 :-P |
| 14:31.13 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: what's that? |
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| 14:31.59 | alterego | Wow, the pain has actually gone from my mouth. |
| 14:32.07 | alterego | And I don't feel dizzy anymore. |
| 14:32.18 | alterego | Still a golf ball on my face though .. |
| 14:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | fetching the putter |
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| 14:33.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:34.17 | PhonicUK | hey all |
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| 14:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: (wiki) |
| 14:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS |
| 14:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~hail SpeedEvil |
| 14:36.47 | infobot | ACTION bows down to SpeedEvil and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 14:37.20 | kerio | HAIL |
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| 14:37.33 | luke-jr | alterego: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering |
| 14:37.34 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: ? |
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| 14:39.15 | alterego | luke-jr: nice :) |
| 14:40.39 | alterego | luke-jr: When I sad 1a,1b I actually meant 18,19 .. |
| 14:40.41 | alterego | :) |
| 14:40.59 | jacekowski | somebody reversed gps? |
| 14:41.07 | alterego | luke-jr: Seem to be both TS TS .. |
| 14:41.16 | lcuk | well, half of 4chan think the liqbase AR is fake, the other half want to screw some star trek babe. on average i think its been taken quite well |
| 14:41.29 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:41.33 | jacekowski | lcuk: link |
| 14:41.40 | alterego | I've got a friend who's a mod at 4chan .. |
| 14:42.02 | lcuk | i got a google hit on it a bit ago, http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/12178989 |
| 14:42.31 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ok - running |
| 14:42.54 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: what do you want run again? |
| 14:43.08 | jacekowski | lcuk: they will stalk you |
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| 14:43.17 | jacekowski | lcuk: like they did with boxxy |
| 14:43.28 | jacekowski | lcuk: and jessi slaughter |
| 14:43.30 | lcuk | the tv service? |
| 14:43.45 | jacekowski | lcuk: be prepared to take hundreds of pizzas |
| 14:43.52 | jacekowski | lcuk: and loads of spam |
| 14:44.10 | jacekowski | lcuk: you will have to move out of your house |
| 14:44.16 | jacekowski | lcuk: stop using all facebooklike apps |
| 14:44.17 | luke-jr | alterego: 18,19 seem to always be unpredictably different for me |
| 14:44.20 | jacekowski | and sites* |
| 14:44.23 | Termana | I'm sorry, but are you newfags breaking rules 2 & 3? |
| 14:44.26 | lcuk | nice to know jacekowski :S |
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| 14:44.39 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep -B 12 '| 000c' |
| 14:44.44 | jacekowski | don't mess witch 4chan |
| 14:44.48 | *** part/#maemo doopelganger (~doopelgan@166.137.15.253) |
| 14:44.49 | jacekowski | or 4chan will mess with you |
| 14:44.57 | jacekowski | hmm, they will mess with you regardless |
| 14:45.00 | alterego | luke-jr: well, 18 seems to increment and 19 seems to be unpredictable, like miliseconds or something. |
| 14:45.10 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 14:45.14 | jacekowski | just open liblocation |
| 14:45.20 | jacekowski | or location-daemon |
| 14:45.22 | luke-jr | .. |
| 14:45.25 | jacekowski | in disassembler |
| 14:45.38 | luke-jr | jacekowski: then I can't write my replacement |
| 14:45.48 | luke-jr | jacekowski: wanna make some asm observations for us? :P |
| 14:45.49 | jacekowski | you can |
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| 14:45.57 | luke-jr | no, that wouldn't be clean-room/legal |
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| 14:46.10 | jacekowski | give me a second |
| 14:46.12 | jacekowski | i'll do it |
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| 14:46.24 | luke-jr | don't paste anything, just observe and comment on it :P |
| 14:47.28 | TomaszD | what are you guys doing? |
| 14:48.09 | jacekowski | what's the name of binary that's doing that stuff? |
| 14:48.11 | steinex | erm |
| 14:48.36 | steinex | when i connect to my phone via usb networking and want to do something unter /home/user/MyDocs i just get 'red-only filesystem' |
| 14:48.39 | steinex | how to fix that? |
| 14:48.51 | SpeedEvil | lcuk http://www.mauve.plus.com/log |
| 14:48.55 | jacekowski | ok |
| 14:48.57 | jacekowski | i have it |
| 14:49.00 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: http://www.mauve.plus.com/log |
| 14:49.32 | SpeedEvil | ah - ok - not quite |
| 14:50.10 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ok - first log uploaded to that file |
| 14:50.21 | SpeedEvil | It will carry on updating every 10 mins |
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| 14:50.46 | kerio | red-only? |
| 14:50.52 | steinex | read-only of course |
| 14:50.54 | steinex | sorry. |
| 14:50.55 | kerio | no green or blue? |
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| 14:51.34 | SpeedEvil | steinex: what are you connecting it via/ |
| 14:52.22 | steinex | SpeedEvil: usb networking (PC Suite Mode) |
| 14:52.27 | steinex | then i ssh in from my linux box |
| 14:52.35 | SpeedEvil | steinex: not mass storage? |
| 14:52.39 | alterego | luke-jr: now tell me this doesn't increment: http://pastie.org/1053744 |
| 14:52.47 | steinex | SpeedEvil: then it is definitely read-only, so no. |
| 14:52.47 | alterego | Those are consecutive 0x10 lines |
| 14:53.05 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ah |
| 14:53.13 | jacekowski | liblas? |
| 14:53.14 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: would the corresponding gpx be useful |
| 14:53.23 | jacekowski | any info on liblas? |
| 14:53.49 | luke-jr | alterego: my definition of increment is strict :) |
| 14:53.58 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if you can get 1:1 mappings |
| 14:54.12 | alterego | luke-jr: well, I think it's a time stamp :P |
| 14:54.41 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: otherwise, approximate coords would be handy |
| 14:55.12 | SpeedEvil | <trkpt lat="56.216719" lon="-3.112165"> <ele>107.5</ele> <time>2010-07-21T14:39:35Z</time> <sat>9</sat> |
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| 14:55.48 | jacekowski | so we've got no idea what liblas is doing? |
| 14:55.51 | alterego | luke-jr: I've found an anomoly too .. |
| 14:56.00 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 14:56.04 | jacekowski | ooo |
| 14:56.05 | jacekowski | i know |
| 14:56.08 | jacekowski | http://liblas.org/faq.html |
| 14:56.14 | jacekowski | There is a number of geospatial software packages that support read/write of ASPRS LAS Format |
| 14:56.29 | alterego | 0x10 contained something completely random .. |
| 14:58.37 | steinex | damn damn damn. i ssh into my n900, rm -rf /home/user/MyDocs/Musik/* |
| 14:58.51 | steinex | after a few seconds at goes into read-only again and the n900 needs a reboot |
| 14:58.55 | steinex | i don't get it. |
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| 14:59.17 | steinex | extremely frustrating |
| 15:00.02 | jacekowski | so going back to location-daemon |
| 15:00.09 | jacekowski | how do you get coordintes from it |
| 15:00.09 | alterego | luke-jr: I'm right: 18,19 is thousandths of seconds |
| 15:00.11 | jacekowski | via dbus? |
| 15:00.18 | jacekowski | but does it send them automaticaly |
| 15:00.48 | jacekowski | ? |
| 15:01.07 | GAN900 | Anybody have any experience with eCoach heartrate monitors? |
| 15:01.30 | kerio | steinex: run a fsck |
| 15:02.23 | alterego | luke-jr: so, it is strict, it's strictly incrememnting by 1000 ever second :P |
| 15:03.22 | steinex | kerio: this is the vfat partition... |
| 15:03.37 | kerio | your point? |
| 15:04.52 | alterego | luke-jr: 16 is minutes I believe .. |
| 15:04.53 | lcuk | jacekowski, the comments dont seem to be going off the mad side (people like it!), but ill try contacting the administrator if they get out of hand |
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| 15:05.36 | RST38h | yawns |
| 15:05.41 | RST38h | helo lcuk |
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| 15:07.27 | luke-jr | alterego: I concur |
| 15:07.28 | jacekowski | lcuk: have you considered buying reinforced front doors? |
| 15:07.33 | jacekowski | lcuk: and maybe electric fence? |
| 15:07.55 | alterego | luke-jr: not sure what 17 is, but 16 is clearly minutes |
| 15:08.01 | Stskeeps | like my polish apartment, heh |
| 15:08.06 | steinex | kerio: thanks. |
| 15:08.33 | alterego | luke-jr: and 15 is UTC hours |
| 15:08.34 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: alterego - http://www.mauve.plus.com/log and http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpx - corresponding log and gpx |
| 15:08.47 | SpeedEvil | log with strace -t -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|awk '/^[0-9][0-9]:[0-9][0-9]/{t=$1;next}/^ |/{print t,$0}' >log |
| 15:08.52 | alterego | Currently for me it says 15:08 |
| 15:09.06 | jacekowski | .text:0000A6C0 - that's where function processing that shit starts |
| 15:09.10 | luke-jr | alterego: right |
| 15:09.20 | alterego | Woo! I found a timestamp :D |
| 15:09.30 | lcuk | jacekowski, you make it sound so pleasant |
| 15:09.44 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly the gpx has not updated yet |
| 15:10.35 | alterego | luke-jr: 0x10, 0x11 year |
| 15:10.39 | steinex | kerio: now rsync even works in mass storage note... |
| 15:10.51 | steinex | mode* |
| 15:10.58 | alterego | luke-jr: I'm sure you can guess the rest |
| 15:11.01 | alterego | 0x12 month |
| 15:11.18 | alterego | 0x13 day :) |
| 15:11.55 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: alterego - however - the above timestamp is right |
| 15:11.59 | ieatlint | i'm going to take a real shot in the dark here... but does anyone here have a squareup dongle and an n900 who wants to test something? |
| 15:12.38 | luke-jr | great |
| 15:12.47 | luke-jr | now we can implement ntpd GPS support |
| 15:12.50 | luke-jr | :P |
| 15:13.05 | alterego | Heeheee |
| 15:13.14 | alterego | Hey, It's my first go at decoding this :P |
| 15:13.40 | alterego | SpeedEvil: sure, and what I'm saying directly corrosponds with your timestamp :P |
| 15:14.05 | alterego | luke-jr: otoh, I don't actually know what I'm looking at. Where are these blocks of data actually coming from? |
| 15:14.38 | luke-jr | alterego: the cellmo |
| 15:14.46 | alterego | Oh, nice. |
| 15:14.56 | alterego | Can we get to it without location-daemon? |
| 15:15.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:15.12 | alterego | luke-jr: I hope this contains some more detailed information that we get with liblocation .. |
| 15:15.22 | luke-jr | unlikely |
| 15:15.26 | alterego | And am I going to get arrested? |
| 15:15.29 | luke-jr | or rather |
| 15:15.34 | luke-jr | we can get it w/o location-daemon I hope |
| 15:15.40 | luke-jr | but probably no more details |
| 15:15.45 | luke-jr | I just want to get rid of location-daemon |
| 15:15.46 | luke-jr | :) |
| 15:16.03 | SpeedEvil | Ok - if anyonemight find it interesting - the corresponding gpx file has now updated |
| 15:16.15 | alterego | luke-jr: sure, that'd be progress enough. |
| 15:16.15 | SpeedEvil | (the gpx logger only flushes caches every 64k) |
| 15:16.41 | trip0 | hrm |
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| 15:17.16 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 |
| 15:17.17 | povbot | Bug 5337: Ovi Maps gives up finding GPS lock too soon |
| 15:17.26 | trip0 | lol |
| 15:17.29 | SpeedEvil | loves the smell of expired certificates in the morning. |
| 15:17.42 | lcuk | STILL |
| 15:17.51 | lcuk | theres a bug on there but no1 can get on to vote it up |
| 15:20.09 | GAN900 | It's not like b.m.o is going to get you anywhere productive anyway. |
| 15:20.22 | GAN900 | The unrenewed cert is just a subtle hint from Nokia. |
| 15:20.44 | trip0 | uh oh |
| 15:20.53 | Stskeeps | or 'july' |
| 15:20.53 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: alterego https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1839 |
| 15:21.02 | SpeedEvil | clear-gps-cache - may be interesting |
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| 15:21.51 | alterego | SpeedEvil: what is it? |
| 15:22.12 | alterego | Ah, an ARM executable |
| 15:23.13 | alterego | What's liblas again? |
| 15:24.39 | SpeedEvil | Ah - excitement - live action video! |
| 15:24.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/rat.avi |
| 15:25.34 | SpeedEvil | A life or death drama - when the bastard finally gets there |
| 15:26.21 | luke-jr | 0x20 is almost certainly related to latitude |
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| 15:26.52 | Stskeeps | you're actually disassembling the comm protocol to cellmo in this area? :P |
| 15:27.22 | luke-jr | just inducing things from packet captures |
| 15:28.34 | luke-jr | latitude / 360 * 256 = byte 0x20 |
| 15:28.49 | jacekowski | not really |
| 15:28.50 | luke-jr | for all 3 cases I have |
| 15:28.51 | jacekowski | it's floating point |
| 15:28.57 | luke-jr | f u jacekowski :P |
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| 15:29.40 | alterego | Not sure how to decode floating point. |
| 15:29.41 | jacekowski | 0x10 |
| 15:29.46 | alterego | (in ruby) |
| 15:29.52 | luke-jr | jacekowski: ... |
| 15:30.11 | luke-jr | we already determined 0x10 and the bytes following it are date and time |
| 15:30.31 | jacekowski | hmm, maybe it's different offset in code here |
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| 15:32.53 | alterego | luke-jr: I did find that 0x10 occasionally gave me a completely random 16 bytes .. |
| 15:33.12 | alterego | Well, probably not random obviously, but nonsensical as far as what I discovered as the datetime stamp. |
| 15:33.36 | alterego | Ah, just did it again. |
| 15:33.45 | alterego | Oh, this is interesting. |
| 15:34.41 | Stskeeps | ..checksum? |
| 15:34.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:35.11 | luke-jr | alterego: on a 0xcc length packet? |
| 15:35.17 | slonopotamus | something's going on |
| 15:35.21 | luke-jr | alterego: other lengths don't seem to have the same alignment at all |
| 15:35.24 | jacekowski | do we know what's the 0x01? |
| 15:35.24 | alterego | luke-jr: I'll let you know in a minute :P |
| 15:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: LMAO @ http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/12178989 |
| 15:36.47 | lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer |
| 15:37.12 | jacekowski | they are going to stalk him |
| 15:37.19 | jacekowski | like they stalked boxxy and jessi slaughter |
| 15:37.20 | visz | heh |
| 15:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: pkg comes with instructions about to place sme ceiling lamps or the like nearby? |
| 15:37.31 | lcuk | why cant they just help me code it :P |
| 15:37.34 | visz | "its fake though?" |
| 15:37.56 | lcuk | visz, its not fake :( |
| 15:38.19 | lcuk | i explain it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 |
| 15:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how good is that thing on Z axis? |
| 15:39.03 | visz | yeah, but it's so magical that people think it's fake |
| 15:39.11 | lcuk | it can scale quite happily but my detection is pretty flatworld and expects the ratios of the triangle to not be too far off square |
| 15:40.03 | lcuk | visz, most people dont think its fake, they do however think its related directly to the paper |
| 15:40.07 | alterego | luke-jr: no, but there is something excemely interesting that happens .. |
| 15:40.10 | slonopotamus | luke-jr, jacekowski: what are you doing? |
| 15:40.39 | achipa | what ? did PR1.3 get released ? TMO is load spiraling... |
| 15:40.57 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: mapping the phonet GPS protocol |
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| 15:42.53 | alterego | luke-jr: the first 4 bytes are some kind of message header |
| 15:43.11 | alterego | I've got a nice paste for you to check out. |
| 15:43.59 | jacekowski | 0x01 is event id |
| 15:44.14 | alterego | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 15:44.44 | jacekowski | it can be either 1 or 5 or |
| 15:44.58 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 15:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: check back with NMEA |
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| 15:45.24 | jacekowski | 0x0d - tracking ongoing |
| 15:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: I bet there are parallels |
| 15:45.33 | alterego | Check this out: http://pastie.org/1053820 |
| 15:45.35 | jacekowski | well, 0x0d - tracking status |
| 15:45.40 | alterego | Strange 4 byte packets :P |
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| 15:46.10 | jacekowski | and 0x04 would be status in 0x0d packet |
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| 15:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: mode switch? |
| 15:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | like SI / SO? |
| 15:46.53 | alterego | Possibly, don't really know. |
| 15:47.03 | jacekowski | SI SO? |
| 15:47.21 | alterego | Actually, I think it's bad processing. |
| 15:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | aka shift-in shift-out |
| 15:47.25 | alterego | Garbage |
| 15:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | ASCII |
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| 15:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | check against NMEA |
| 15:48.07 | alterego | After an 00 7d 01 01 the date stamp is F8cked |
| 15:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | will give you ideas |
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| 15:52.43 | jacekowski | well, so tracking status message is 0x0d |
| 15:52.48 | jacekowski | if you can catch it it would be nice |
| 15:53.38 | jacekowski | 0x82 - gps state |
| 15:53.52 | alterego | Ah, time is garbage when it doesn't have a lock |
| 15:54.39 | jacekowski | is anybody making notes? |
| 15:54.51 | alterego | Got a wikipage |
| 15:55.06 | alterego | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering |
| 15:55.59 | alterego | luke-jr: it's not time seconds and milliseconds, it's just milliseconds .. |
| 15:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: jacekowski: also inspiring: http://www.u-blox.com/de/download-center.html?task=view.download&cid=46 |
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| 15:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | sorry can't check here :-/ |
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| 15:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | but I know ublox is really good in documentation, and the protocol probably gives you some ideas what you're facing here |
| 15:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | UBX protocol |
| 15:58.53 | alterego | bloody chm :P |
| 15:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | yep :-S |
| 16:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | seem to remember there's been some tool on linux to unpack or display it, but fail to find any |
| 16:00.44 | luke-jr | alterego: it has seconds too |
| 16:01.03 | luke-jr | gtg bbl |
| 16:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 16:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 16:02.03 | alterego | luke-jr: where? |
| 16:02.37 | luke-jr | 17000 ms = 17 seconds |
| 16:02.47 | alterego | luke-jr: luke-jr yes |
| 16:03.04 | alterego | but that's not hte unit of mesasurement here. |
| 16:03.04 | alterego | It's in milliseconds. |
| 16:03.11 | alterego | You have to get seconds by dividing by 1000 |
| 16:03.22 | luke-jr | it's in milliseconds, but it contains seconds |
| 16:03.25 | luke-jr | that's the point |
| 16:03.27 | luke-jr | :p |
| 16:03.35 | alterego | No, seconds contain milliseconds :P |
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| 16:03.51 | alterego | Those two bytes are clearly milliseconds. |
| 16:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | there's also a field for elabsed leap-seconds :-P |
| 16:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | 12 iirc - nowadays |
| 16:04.24 | alterego | Oh yeah |
| 16:04.28 | alterego | Forgot about that. |
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| 16:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | and then we even got some geostationary sats to broadcast auxiliary info |
| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | not many chipsets know about these or use them |
| 16:06.44 | alterego | Aren't those private |
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| 16:06.50 | alterego | And probably millitary too :P |
| 16:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | maybe. I just heard about it, and wondered why most docs and howto never mention them |
| 16:07.40 | PhonicUK | hey all |
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| 16:08.14 | slonopotamus | alterego: "private" and "broadcast" do not work together well |
| 16:08.17 | alterego | Well, I know some private institutions do differential GPS with 3rd party satellites. |
| 16:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | checkout u-blox. They are cool, they are Swiss, and they got uebercool whitepapers and docs |
| 16:08.33 | alterego | slonopotamus: I guess not .. I suppose encryption is meaningless too .. |
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| 16:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: nope, those I heard of get even sat numbers in GPS, like SV 28..SV34 |
| 16:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | or somesuch |
| 16:10.04 | alterego | Then maybe we're not talking about the same thing :) |
| 16:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-P http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:ConstellationGPS.gif&filetimestamp=20080306155641 |
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| 16:19.20 | Khertan | pls someone can try my repository ... for a reason that i didn't understand it s didn't work on my n900 |
| 16:19.26 | Khertan | W: GPG error: http://khertan.net fremantle-1.2 Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
| 16:19.53 | lcuk | Khertan, if its not working for you and its your repo, how the hell can others check it! |
| 16:19.56 | SpeedEvil | I have in the past used two-line element sets from http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/orbits/ and xephem to generate nice alt/az/range/rangerate tables for my location. |
| 16:20.10 | Khertan | lcuk, check if it s work on their device |
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| 16:20.29 | Khertan | mine is so customized that some w should not appear on a real maemo dist |
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| 16:20.55 | Khertan | ok someone confirm ... so ... |
| 16:20.56 | Khertan | ANNOUNCE : First release of KhtEditor is available for Maemo : http://khertan.net/khteditor in my repository : http://khertan.net/khertan_repository |
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| 16:24.32 | lcuk | Khertan, so even if this works, vectormine will be the original version on maemo extras devel etc? |
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| 16:25.23 | Khertan | lcuk, i didn't care about maemo extras |
| 16:26.01 | lcuk | well since most users dont gainroot to update |
| 16:26.23 | Khertan | when Community OBS will be ready for Freemantle maybe ... but currently i didn't have any solution |
| 16:27.01 | Khertan | as they lock HAM ... it s clearly not my fault ... |
| 16:28.02 | Khertan | To be honest we should start a quest to educate users to not use HAM. |
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| 16:28.15 | Khertan | but it s a major lose of time |
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| 16:29.51 | Corsac | I love ham |
| 16:29.56 | Corsac | though I prefer bacon |
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| 16:30.09 | ieatlint | bacon is awesome |
| 16:30.53 | derf | I'm not sure if I trust the culinary opinion of someone who eats lint. |
| 16:31.30 | Corsac | lint? |
| 16:31.32 | kerio | pancetta > bacon |
| 16:31.33 | GAN900 | Who eats lint? |
| 16:31.37 | Venemo | Khertan: HAM is open source |
| 16:31.39 | Venemo | http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager |
| 16:31.50 | derf | GAN900: ieatlint, presumably. |
| 16:32.17 | Corsac | good point |
| 16:32.39 | ieatlint | derf: don't hate |
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| 16:33.06 | kerio | Venemo: then why does it sucks? |
| 16:33.08 | Khertan | Venemo, but you can't replace it ... so useless |
| 16:33.38 | ieatlint | wonders if he can pay people to write code with bacon |
| 16:34.00 | kerio | i want to write bacon with code! |
| 16:34.11 | kerio | 10 PRINT 'BACON' |
| 16:34.17 | Venemo | kerio: because the silly people make their own app manager instead of contributing to HAM |
| 16:34.18 | kerio | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 16:35.04 | lcuk | kerio, Corsac http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png |
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| 16:35.34 | kerio | why me? |
| 16:35.46 | kj4rgs770 | Hey anybody can you help me? I want to put debian (easy debian/ deblet/ whatever) on my 770. |
| 16:35.57 | kerio | oh, it's not related to liq |
| 16:35.58 | kj4rgs770 | is it possible? |
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| 16:36.14 | slonopotamus | wow, bacon |
| 16:36.25 | kj4rgs770 | liq? |
| 16:36.34 | Stskeeps | kj4rgs770: if it wasn't for the wifi breaking at later kernels, i would have suggested to port meego instead |
| 16:36.35 | kerio | kj4rgs770: not you |
| 16:36.47 | Stskeeps | kj4rgs770: but you're going to face quite an uphill battle :/ |
| 16:37.20 | trip0 | Stskeeps, is that why wifi is unstable on meego+n900? |
| 16:37.33 | kj4rgs770 | Yeah i was wondedring if anybody had any pointers or instructions. i'm fairly new-ish to linux |
| 16:37.34 | trip0 | i wonder how it would fair in the 35 kernel... |
| 16:38.05 | Stskeeps | trip0: wifi is actually stable on libiw and supplicant level, it's when connman gets involved.. |
| 16:38.12 | luke-jr | honestly, I never understood 770 |
| 16:38.25 | luke-jr | was it popular because of the cheaper price? |
| 16:38.39 | trip0 | Stskeeps, oh... conn... man... :| |
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| 16:39.03 | kj4rgs770 | luke-jr: yeah and it is just fun to work with |
| 16:39.04 | Stskeeps | trip0: connman and libdui is some of my favourite names in open source |
| 16:39.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:39.11 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: it was? |
| 16:39.22 | trip0 | Stskeeps, oh, the name is great |
| 16:39.24 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: compared to the C760, which was like 5 years earlier, it sucked |
| 16:39.31 | trip0 | libdui died though |
| 16:39.32 | trip0 | :P |
| 16:39.36 | luke-jr | or C3200 even |
| 16:40.08 | kj4rgs770 | luke-jr: never heard of the c760 |
| 16:41.25 | luke-jr | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7162 |
| 16:42.06 | luke-jr | C760 has *the* best handheld keyboard ever |
| 16:43.02 | kj4rgs770 | Stskeeps: you were working on Deblet right? I have tried to use the deblet installer and it cant be installed because it cant find libssl 0.9.8 and debootstrap |
| 16:43.45 | Stskeeps | kj4rgs770: yeah, .. it's rather out of date and sites are dead |
| 16:43.49 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: what about psion? |
| 16:44.00 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: nfc, never owned one |
| 16:44.04 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: err... that's too big to be called handheld |
| 16:44.11 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: nonsense |
| 16:44.15 | kj4rgs770 | Stskeeps: So the installer wont work? |
| 16:44.34 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: it fit comfortably in my pocket with a wifi CompactFlash sticking out for years |
| 16:44.37 | Stskeeps | kj4rgs770: right |
| 16:44.53 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: big pocket, i guess :P |
| 16:45.00 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: it's no bigger than N810 |
| 16:45.24 | luke-jr | actually, *slightly* taller, and not as wide |
| 16:45.25 | slonopotamus | o_O |
| 16:45.31 | luke-jr | about 2x as thick |
| 16:45.39 | kj4rgs770 | Stskeeps: Well thanks anyway. Maybe i should upgrade to an n800/810 |
| 16:45.46 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: N8x0 is dead |
| 16:46.09 | kj4rgs770 | luke-jr:Dead? how? |
| 16:46.25 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: Nokia won't support it nor provide the community with the specs required to support it |
| 16:46.47 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: me and a few others are trying to port Linux to it, but some parts are just too closed... |
| 16:47.15 | luke-jr | specifically the GPS and battery charger mainly |
| 16:47.26 | kj4rgs770 | Port linux? like Easy Debian? |
| 16:47.36 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: like Gentoo and MeeGo |
| 16:47.52 | luke-jr | but AFAIK the same kernel should work for Debian |
| 16:48.02 | alterego | fcamA? |
| 16:48.13 | kj4rgs770 | luke-jr: Oh. Whats MeeGo ive seen it mentioned a few times |
| 16:48.26 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: MeeGo is what Nokia is replacing Maemo with |
| 16:48.36 | alterego | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/21/fcam-unleashed-for-the-nokia-n900/ |
| 16:48.37 | luke-jr | kj4rgs770: also MeeGo is what IBM or Intel is replacing Moblin with |
| 16:48.40 | Corsac | lcuk: niom niom niom |
| 16:48.41 | alterego | I guess that was the big news ... |
| 16:49.02 | luke-jr | alterego: but Nokia won't support MeeGo officially for N8x0 or even N900 |
| 16:49.13 | kj4rgs770 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.16 | luke-jr | alterego: so MeeGo for N8x0 is community effort |
| 16:49.59 | slonopotamus | thinks if nokia supported meego on n900, it would give them lots of karma |
| 16:50.09 | Stskeeps | they kinda do though |
| 16:50.20 | Stskeeps | i mean, not phone calls support but.. |
| 16:50.24 | Stskeeps | as in, support lines |
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| 16:51.08 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: "kinda"? |
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| 16:51.34 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: they kinda do by paying your bills :p |
| 16:51.44 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well, money is being thrown after it, a team of people, kernel guys, licensing.. |
| 16:53.01 | kerio | harmattan will probably run the meego ui |
| 16:53.51 | trip0 | harmattan will probably run a meego ui |
| 16:54.17 | kerio | trip0: nitpicker |
| 16:54.22 | trip0 | ;) |
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| 17:02.23 | alterego | Okay, l |
| 17:02.29 | alterego | , liking this fcam ... |
| 17:02.55 | PhonicUK | ? |
| 17:02.58 | alterego | Written in Qt too . |
| 17:03.01 | alterego | That's even cooler .. |
| 17:03.09 | PhonicUK | what is fcam? |
| 17:03.26 | alterego | Was just announced on Nokia conversations .. |
| 17:03.43 | luke-jr | alterego: what was your altitude? |
| 17:03.53 | alterego | luke-jr: I'm rought 0 |
| 17:03.58 | alterego | ~roughly 0 altitiude |
| 17:04.04 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 17:04.06 | luke-jr | impossible |
| 17:04.10 | luke-jr | 0 is on water |
| 17:04.12 | alterego | Sea leve .. |
| 17:04.14 | alterego | Yes, I know. |
| 17:04.23 | alterego | Cambridge, UK is roughly 0 altitude |
| 17:04.37 | alterego | We're on a bed of cley. |
| 17:05.14 | alterego | starts hacking a camera plugin. |
| 17:05.33 | SpeedEvil | camera plugin? |
| 17:05.45 | E0x | yay a camera replace in the future |
| 17:05.46 | alterego | Thass what fcam is about .. |
| 17:05.58 | alterego | The image quality is good, and it has 4 photo burst mode .. |
| 17:06.02 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:06.05 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 17:06.20 | SpeedEvil | Open? |
| 17:07.25 | luke-jr | alterego: so not even as high as 70m? |
| 17:07.56 | alterego | luke-jr: due to error, probably :P |
| 17:08.10 | luke-jr | alterego: what does N900 report? -.- |
| 17:08.10 | alterego | I'll do an average. |
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| 17:10.20 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: how about yours? |
| 17:10.33 | SpeedEvil | what? |
| 17:10.37 | luke-jr | altitude |
| 17:10.42 | SpeedEvil | The dispersion is quite high |
| 17:10.44 | SpeedEvil | see the GPX |
| 17:10.52 | luke-jr | ... |
| 17:10.54 | SpeedEvil | www.mauve.plus.com/gpx |
| 17:11.04 | SpeedEvil | is the position log - this goes with /log |
| 17:11.10 | SpeedEvil | 105m I think |
| 17:11.21 | luke-jr | ok |
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| 17:14.37 | Dassu | Has somebody else noticed that the mediaplayer buffers several times eventhough the data rate is ~steady and the video lenght is known? |
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| 17:15.10 | Dassu | It seems like mediaplayer has constant buffer size and that isn't smart :( |
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| 17:19.22 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: your log lacks accuracy info :P |
| 17:20.05 | SpeedEvil | what do you want? |
| 17:21.24 | trip0 | SpeedEvil wrote gpxlogger? |
| 17:22.06 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 17:22.09 | SpeedEvil | I did not |
| 17:22.19 | trip0 | oh |
| 17:22.20 | SpeedEvil | I have suggested that the author add a computed EPE - but he has not |
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| 17:22.40 | SpeedEvil | splot "out.q" using 1:2:3:4 palette |
| 17:22.40 | SpeedEvil | using gnuplot - with http://www.mauve.plus.com/out.q |
| 17:23.35 | SpeedEvil | this gives a nice 3d plot of x/y/z meters - with the colour representing the number of points within that quantisation block |
| 17:24.02 | SpeedEvil | .5m voxels |
| 17:24.33 | SpeedEvil | That is 2.5 days logging |
| 17:24.49 | SpeedEvil | I have more - but the battery in the device has died, and I will have to plug it in |
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| 17:34.12 | luke-jr | fcam just crashes on start here |
| 17:34.22 | alterego | luke-jr: you need to restart the device |
| 17:34.31 | luke-jr | meh |
| 17:34.33 | luke-jr | maybe later |
| 17:34.35 | alterego | For some reason the drivers don't work until you restart the N900 |
| 17:34.48 | luke-jr | alterego: so what's N900 say your altitude is? |
| 17:35.05 | alterego | I couldn't get a lock. I'm about to go outside so I'll let you know in a couple of minutes :P |
| 17:35.55 | trip0 | the n900 doesn't like your attitude luke-jr |
| 17:35.57 | luke-jr | meh |
| 17:36.10 | trip0 | :P |
| 17:36.11 | SpeedEvil | 107.3 is the (averaged) altitude |
| 17:36.14 | alterego | heh |
| 17:36.18 | SpeedEvil | forme |
| 17:36.23 | luke-jr | I suspect 30..33 should have altitude, but I can't figure out how it's encoded |
| 17:36.39 | SpeedEvil | There are various geoids. |
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| 17:37.26 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGS84 |
| 17:37.28 | SpeedEvil | for example |
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| 17:37.52 | SpeedEvil | Also consider it might be feet or meters |
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| 17:42.38 | alterego | luke-jr: about 23 meters is my altitude |
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| 17:50.09 | DrGrov | Anyone seen D-Iivil here today or yesterday? |
| 17:50.46 | alterego | wow, the HDR mode is really good in fc ... |
| 17:50.51 | alterego | fcam ... |
| 17:50.58 | alterego | DrGrov: nope |
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| 17:55.51 | TomaszD | anyone has fcamera working with titan's kernel? |
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| 17:57.02 | alterego | TomaszD: does it not? |
| 17:57.29 | TomaszD | it makes the default cam app fail and the fcamera is just grey where the picture should be |
| 17:57.56 | kerio | reboot |
| 17:58.05 | TomaszD | I did.. |
| 17:58.10 | TomaszD | let's give it one more chance.. |
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| 17:59.24 | alterego | heh |
| 18:00.00 | alterego | He must have done something different with omapfb, as that's how the viewfinder is displayed. |
| 18:00.21 | alterego | I start fcam, then open lens. default camui doesn't do anything that way. |
| 18:01.01 | Venemo | hey alterego |
| 18:01.10 | Venemo | can I pm you? |
| 18:01.12 | alterego | Aloha |
| 18:01.15 | alterego | Sure, go ahead |
| 18:01.19 | alterego | You know I don't mind :) |
| 18:02.26 | alterego | Also, fcamera has the "gesture" operated vbox thing I want ... :D |
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| 18:04.02 | TomaszD | nope, it still fails |
| 18:04.12 | TomaszD | :( |
| 18:04.29 | alterego | gutted .. :/ |
| 18:04.52 | alterego | TomaszD: run it as root from a command prompt and tell me if it fails with OMAPFB stuff :) |
| 18:06.13 | TomaszD | alterego, it can't find /dev/video0 |
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| 18:06.36 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:06.39 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 18:06.55 | ppman | I messed up my phone's gps receiver somehow - is there anyway to use the n810 as a bluetooth external gps? |
| 18:07.28 | alterego | TomaszD: quick fix .. Try: mknod /dev/video0 c 82 2 |
| 18:09.05 | alterego | Hrm, though that stuff should be created by udev .. |
| 18:09.09 | alterego | Maybe there's something else wrong. |
| 18:09.16 | jacekowski | udev probably failed |
| 18:09.17 | jacekowski | as ussual |
| 18:09.37 | TomaszD | alterego, now I get permission denied |
| 18:09.46 | alterego | TomaszD: are you doing it as root? |
| 18:09.55 | TomaszD | I mean, it fails when I run fcamera as root, but says perm denied when as user |
| 18:10.06 | TomaszD | when I run as root the error message doesn't change |
| 18:10.06 | alterego | TomaszD: oh sorry: chown root.video /dev/video0 |
| 18:10.27 | alterego | TomaszD: the device probably doesn't actually exist in the kernel then :/ |
| 18:11.26 | TomaszD | yep, no change |
| 18:11.34 | TomaszD | titan screwed up ;) |
| 18:11.44 | TomaszD | oh well, let's remove the kernel... |
| 18:11.50 | alterego | Might be the module isn't installed |
| 18:11.53 | alterego | :) |
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| 18:12.19 | TomaszD | restoring nokia kernel.. |
| 18:12.20 | alterego | TomaszD: could you do an lsmod and pastie.org it for me :) |
| 18:12.26 | TomaszD | too late :) |
| 18:12.28 | alterego | I'd rather see wassup :) |
| 18:12.30 | alterego | Grr :P |
| 18:13.10 | TomaszD | I'll do it next time |
| 18:13.23 | TomaszD | you can install the kernel-power package too you now ;) |
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| 18:14.30 | pronto | http://mg.pov.lt/blog/n900-connection-sharing is anyone able to get optoin 5 working ? |
| 18:15.01 | alterego | TomaszD: no, then things will not work for me :P |
| 18:15.11 | MiXu-_ | pronto: Joikuspot is so cheap that I couldn't bother with cli. |
| 18:15.12 | TomaszD | http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/fcam/fcam.mov |
| 18:15.23 | TomaszD | how did they implement the gyro for the n900... |
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| 18:16.32 | TomaszD | alright, we're back in business |
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| 18:17.12 | Tscheesy | hi - where is Fennec storing Downloads? can't find it |
| 18:17.41 | jacekowski | use opera |
| 18:18.33 | Tscheesy | ^^ |
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| 18:18.34 | Tscheesy | Firefox can sync to my Computer - Killer Feature ;) |
| 18:19.19 | E0x | pronto: i was trying do something similar but using usb networking and don't work |
| 18:19.20 | TomaszD | man, fcam is great |
| 18:19.46 | E0x | pronto: with the n900 connected to the internet ( gpsr0 up ) i can't ping from the pc to the n900 |
| 18:20.05 | alterego | TomaszD: it's cool isn't it :) |
| 18:20.07 | pronto | heh |
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| 18:20.11 | E0x | pronto: in the end i use the n900 as modem , if you have network-manager is pretty easy |
| 18:20.13 | alterego | I'm working on my own cam app now ... :D |
| 18:20.16 | pronto | well i lost my usb cable for the n900, so yeah |
| 18:20.32 | alterego | pronto: pretty easy to tether via bluetooth, though not as quick. |
| 18:20.39 | E0x | pronto: you can try the mobilespot setup |
| 18:20.41 | pronto | netbook dosent have blutooth |
| 18:20.55 | alterego | A netbook without bluetooth ... omfg |
| 18:21.03 | alterego | Who would buy suych a useless pos :P |
| 18:21.08 | pronto | infact the only thing i own that has bluethooth is my n900 :\ |
| 18:21.30 | E0x | pronto: http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/ |
| 18:21.44 | TomaszD | alterego, why am I getting 10.6mb "dng" files which are 640x480? |
| 18:21.49 | pronto | dosent that need a custom kernel? |
| 18:21.58 | E0x | yes |
| 18:22.03 | pronto | yeah id ont want to do that |
| 18:22.05 | E0x | need kernel-power |
| 18:22.41 | TomaszD | kernel-power ain't dangerous, it even add an icon in the main menu to replace it with the stock Nokia kernel should you want to |
| 18:22.47 | TomaszD | *adds |
| 18:22.53 | E0x | pronto: well what happen with the option 5 ? what problems you get ? |
| 18:22.58 | E0x | the same that i ? |
| 18:23.00 | TomaszD | alterego, ? |
| 18:23.00 | slonopotamus | pronto: usb cable for n900 costs $3 |
| 18:23.07 | pronto | my netbook sees it, but wont connect |
| 18:23.15 | E0x | pronto: hmm |
| 18:23.20 | pronto | i also dont want to use usb, because the n900's usb port is damn weak |
| 18:23.28 | pronto | dont trust it at all |
| 18:23.35 | E0x | pronto: maybe is your wifi driver |
| 18:23.44 | E0x | some wifi driver reject ad-hoc |
| 18:23.52 | slonopotamus | pronto: it's covered by warranty (mine was fixed) |
| 18:24.10 | pronto | i'm using wext |
| 18:24.29 | pronto | slonopotamus: i alraedy had one n900 replaced because of the usb port :\ |
| 18:24.44 | slonopotamus | pronto: hehe |
| 18:26.03 | alterego | TomaszD: dunno, hang on~. |
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| 18:27.06 | E0x | pronto: try get connected to the ad-hoc connection with iwconfig |
| 18:27.10 | E0x | ( command line ) |
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| 18:27.56 | TomaszD | alterego, these are raw images, have no proper viewer in linux ;) |
| 18:28.19 | E0x | pronto: http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/setting-up-ad-hoc-wireless-network.html |
| 18:28.36 | E0x | pronto: do the same in you laptop that machine B need do |
| 18:28.45 | E0x | but change of course the value |
| 18:29.00 | iPeter- | why i get only black screen when i connect my n900 to tv? i hear sounds from tv but no video.. |
| 18:29.01 | pronto | alright |
| 18:29.33 | alterego | pronto: I plug/unplug my usb about 30 times a day and have no issues ... |
| 18:29.38 | alterego | Had my N900 since mid febuary. |
| 18:29.45 | SpeedEvil | iPeter-: Do you have AL/NTSC cselected right? |
| 18:29.50 | pronto | on my first n900 the usb port fell out :\ |
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| 18:30.07 | iPeter- | SpeedEvil: yes, pal |
| 18:30.31 | TomaszD | check the cable connection iPeter- |
| 18:30.42 | TomaszD | you might have hooked it up incorrectly |
| 18:30.51 | TomaszD | so you have one channel of audio mixed with the video |
| 18:31.17 | iPeter- | cable is connected right, in tv blue screen changes to black but no vid.. |
| 18:31.57 | iPeter- | im 100% sure it was right.. |
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| 18:32.00 | TomaszD | I'd still insist on checking for mixups |
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| 18:32.07 | TomaszD | otherwise I'm out of ideas |
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| 18:32.20 | iPeter- | it worked before i reflashed |
| 18:32.58 | TomaszD | did you flash the emmc too? |
| 18:33.10 | iPeter- | yellow to yellow, white to white and red to red, i get audio from both speakers correctly, mut no vid. |
| 18:33.18 | iPeter- | TomaszD: nope |
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| 18:34.18 | TomaszD | I'd suggest running the back up application, then copying over the back from the phone to your pc, along with your files, then reflashing fiasco without reboot (no -R flag), then emmc (with reboot flag) |
| 18:34.19 | iPeter- | oh and ofc i installed nitdroid to my sd card.. |
| 18:34.44 | TomaszD | *backup |
| 18:35.08 | iPeter- | sigh, id like to hear other options before that operation.. |
| 18:35.23 | TomaszD | well, I'm not sure how nitdroid affects maemo, does it replace the kernel? |
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| 18:36.07 | TomaszD | (I've no idea who would want android without google propriatary apps like market and gmail, it's totally useless without them, but anyway) |
| 18:36.13 | iPeter- | hmm, not sure. www.nitdroid.com could you check..? |
| 18:36.44 | iPeter- | TomaszD: that appstore on it works perfectly.. |
| 18:36.59 | TomaszD | so it's an illegal port |
| 18:37.11 | iPeter- | :O |
| 18:37.30 | TomaszD | they have no right to redistribute the proprietary applications |
| 18:37.35 | TomaszD | is it really the android market? |
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| 18:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: yellow and white may both be ambiguous |
| 18:38.39 | iPeter- | well i self havnt tested it put on changelog they said on works list: android market works perfectly.. |
| 18:38.50 | TomaszD | anyway, the faq http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=Nokia_N900_NITDroid_frequently_asked_questions says you don't need to replace the stock kernel *anymore*, maybe you had an old version installed first? |
| 18:39.17 | TomaszD | well if they aren't distributing the app itself then they are in the clear |
| 18:39.32 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: yellow was in yellow and white in white :P i checked many times.. |
| 18:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
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| 18:40.17 | TomaszD | if he's getting stereo audio then there's nothing ambiguous |
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| 18:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | still yellow on TV *might* mean left_audio, CVBS in, CVBS out, or even component |
| 18:40.32 | iPeter- | ambiguous, new word. what it does mean? lol |
| 18:40.54 | iPeter- | i think i didnt replace original kernel |
| 18:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict ambiguous |
| 18:41.28 | TomaszD | iPeter-, before you reflash again, check with a different tv, if it fails the same, you know it's the phone's fault |
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| 18:41.39 | TomaszD | or the cable |
| 18:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if his advice is appreciated |
| 18:43.21 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: but as i said before, it worked before reflash as it was. oh and on yellow place it got a "video" logo, on other two it got a note |
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| 18:44.02 | E0x | pronto: work ? |
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| 18:44.27 | iPeter- | umm im kinda sure its phones fault coz when i plug yellow one in tv, screens color changes from blue to black.. |
| 18:45.03 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: i have to check that word in dictionary :P |
| 18:45.11 | pronto | E0x: nope, having issues with setting it to ad-hoc |
| 18:45.14 | TomaszD | alterego, the raw viewer on the n900 can't handle the files |
| 18:46.17 | pronto | E0x: just relized i forgot to put wlan0 down xD |
| 18:46.35 | E0x | :D |
| 18:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: mhm, so that's quite funny as it means HSync and VSync seem to be correct |
| 18:48.48 | pronto | its unable to ping the phone x.x |
| 18:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: maybe open up camera lens slider to get sort of a 'webcam' on TV |
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| 18:49.45 | E0x | pronto: up it back with you finish the config |
| 18:50.04 | E0x | pronto: and you can ping from the phone to netbook ? |
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| 18:50.32 | jacekowski | windows netbook? |
| 18:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: also in settings->TV-out switch from PAT to NTSC, store, check, and switch back |
| 18:50.50 | jacekowski | i think windows is blocking icmp by default |
| 18:51.01 | jacekowski | PAL* |
| 18:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | PAL* |
| 18:51.11 | jacekowski | but that wouldn't be a problem |
| 18:51.18 | jacekowski | PAL and NTSC are just colour systems |
| 18:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | nope, but it might reset some things |
| 18:51.30 | pronto | unable to ping |
| 18:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | also I heard of video codecs crashing, which will render HW in a limbo state and you need to hard switchdown and power up to reset. Happens on playback of nasty coded video media, so try with desktop, after fresh boot from abttery out |
| 18:53.59 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: I tried on it, and when hitting save, i get white lines for 1 sec to tv.. but i might have a solution. |
| 18:55.01 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: I have to try that battery out too, i left that cable at work place so.. err, cant test it out now. |
| 18:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | which cable? |
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| 18:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | ohh your white lines were a story from the past, I gather |
| 18:56.57 | iPeter- | Yeah, switching from PAL to NTSC and from NTSC -> PAL |
| 18:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 18:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI TV and LCD are using different framebufers, and there has to be some hardware that does constant copying from primary to TV buffer |
| 18:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | if that HW isn't correctly set up, you'll probably see the effect you described. Correct Sync, occasional atrifacts on PAL/NTSC switching, but no content |
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| 18:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | artifacts* |
| 19:00.26 | iPeter- | hmph.. |
| 19:00.38 | iPeter- | That just wonders me it worked earlier perfectly. |
| 19:00.47 | iPeter- | on that tv with same cable and same device. |
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| 19:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, obviously something either in cable, or TV or device has changed somehow |
| 19:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | or in your way to operate it |
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| 19:08.56 | iPeter- | i think its device.. but i may have to select origianl kernel on boot, so that may be reason for black screen. |
| 19:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah |
| 19:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | N900 video isn't exactly a VESA card |
| 19:12.35 | iPeter- | Ok. But ill come to here cry if it doesnt work even on original kernel (im not sure was it original kernel when i tried out or not..) |
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| 19:13.41 | alterego | IS this issue with the power kernel and TV output? |
| 19:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
| 19:13.59 | alterego | It's probably related to the camera device not working either. |
| 19:14.01 | luke-jr | wait, fcam-drivers is kernel modules? :/ |
| 19:14.32 | alterego | luke-jr: low latency, they're FOSS ... |
| 19:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: wouldn't feel surprised |
| 19:14.34 | luke-jr | pronto: N900 by default blocks pings |
| 19:14.46 | luke-jr | alterego: well, that explains why it doesn't work for me... :P |
| 19:14.51 | luke-jr | alterego: I don't use stock kernel |
| 19:14.53 | alterego | luke-jr: ah, that probably explains also why it wouldn't work for power kernel :) |
| 19:14.55 | alterego | Yeah :) |
| 19:15.02 | alterego | Well, compile them yourself then :P |
| 19:15.05 | luke-jr | mine is 2.6.28-omap1-gcc44 :p |
| 19:15.11 | alterego | :) |
| 19:15.16 | alterego | How's that working out for you? :P |
| 19:15.19 | luke-jr | great |
| 19:15.27 | alterego | Except you can't use fcam :P |
| 19:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head and sighs |
| 19:15.31 | pronto | well even after setting wlan with iwconfig, after a few seconds it goes back to my normal access point :\ (on my laptop) |
| 19:15.34 | luke-jr | alterego: right |
| 19:15.40 | luke-jr | maybe I'll mess with it later... |
| 19:15.52 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 19:15.52 | iPeter- | alterego: Its nitdroids kernel.. |
| 19:16.15 | iPeter- | Im not sure what kernel it actually is.. err. Not so hax0r with these stuff :D |
| 19:16.35 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I don't have whatever weird GCC fork Maemo uses |
| 19:16.41 | luke-jr | and I needed kernel modules built |
| 19:16.42 | luke-jr | :p |
| 19:16.58 | luke-jr | so besides the 2-line fix for GCC 4.4, it's the same kernel just built with a diff compiler |
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| 19:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, that's nasty then |
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| 19:17.50 | alterego | "A man walks into #maemo, he says, my franken-kamera isn't working" I say "That's what you get when you use silly custom kernels". |
| 19:17.53 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: why? |
| 19:18.10 | luke-jr | alterego: if you don't want custom kernels, use WinMo |
| 19:18.28 | alterego | luke-jr: oh, I do, but I wouldn't break ABI like you :P |
| 19:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | but you'd probably need same kernel version string, or modprobe --force-vermagic --force-modversion |
| 19:18.45 | luke-jr | alterego: you mean like GCC |
| 19:19.01 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: GCC 4.4 isn't ABI compatible with <4.4 |
| 19:19.01 | TomaszD | alterego, I'm using ImageConverte Plus 8.0 with wine1.2, works fine when converting dng files |
| 19:19.05 | alterego | Sure, but you're the one that uses a non maemo compiler :P |
| 19:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: why? because it's supposed to be abi compatible |
| 19:19.16 | luke-jr | alterego: Maemo is the one using a non-standard compiler |
| 19:19.18 | TomaszD | alterego, but I'm getting a blue tint on all pictures, any hints? |
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| 19:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | see? that's nasty |
| 19:19.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no, it isn't. it's well documented ABI breakage |
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| 19:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | there's no non-nasty abi breakage |
| 19:19.48 | alterego | luke-jr: get out of the bath? :P |
| 19:19.52 | kerio | i'm getting *really* crappy pictures from the front-facing camera |
| 19:19.56 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ABI breaks for GCC 4.5 too, if you want hardfloat |
| 19:20.03 | alterego | TomaszD: get out of the bath? :P |
| 19:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | fsck |
| 19:20.06 | luke-jr | which I plan to do when GCC 4.5 works reliably |
| 19:20.08 | alterego | sorry luke-jr not meant for you :P |
| 19:20.14 | kerio | Mirror doesn't seem to play with the colors to have a somewhat good picture |
| 19:20.15 | TomaszD | alterego, I don't want to! |
| 19:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | feels depressed and heads out for a nice beer in the garden |
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| 19:20.58 | TomaszD | alterego, seriously, what do you do with your resulting dng files? |
| 19:21.01 | kerio | ~docsnack |
| 19:21.08 | TomaszD | you sounded like you did try fcamera |
| 19:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yummy, kerio :) |
| 19:21.20 | alterego | TomaszD: I've just been looking at them in The GIMP |
| 19:21.39 | alterego | TomaszD: I've just been playing with the app really, not too bothered with the actual images at the moment :P |
| 19:21.50 | kerio | how do i control the media player from the shell? |
| 19:22.08 | TomaszD | use dbus commands I guess |
| 19:22.15 | alterego | kerio: dbus |
| 19:22.36 | alterego | kerio: the dbus API for MAFW is somewhere in the wiki |
| 19:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
| 19:22.44 | kerio | request - a ncurses gui for the media player |
| 19:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~jebbaDbus is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
| 19:23.14 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
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| 19:23.35 | alterego | kerio: neat :) |
| 19:23.38 | kerio | so... i'm getting 2457B/s |
| 19:24.07 | TomaszD | alterego, gimp doesn't read dng files |
| 19:24.16 | TomaszD | or do you have a plugin? |
| 19:24.18 | alterego | TomaszD: does, just doesn't seem to get the full res ... |
| 19:24.26 | kerio | gotta love crappy mobile connections |
| 19:24.41 | TomaszD | heh, it's just reading the preview jpg or whatever is in there |
| 19:24.44 | alterego | Or is 10.5M normal for 640x480? :) |
| 19:24.50 | alterego | tiff |
| 19:25.31 | kerio | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 19:25.36 | kerio | ~docsnack |
| 19:25.38 | kerio | :P |
| 19:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yummy, kerio :) |
| 19:26.14 | kerio | ~docsnack add I will be your sex slave forever $USER |
| 19:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are taling about |
| 19:26.59 | kerio | wait, maybe it's a separate command altogheter |
| 19:27.27 | kerio | yup |
| 19:27.48 | kerio | ~docsnack-add yay thanks <nick> |
| 19:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are taling about |
| 19:28.56 | kerio | you know, repeating messages is only ok when the first had no errors |
| 19:28.56 | kerio | :) |
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| 19:29.35 | lpjhjdh | so is anyone familiar with sb2? I'm having some issues getting sbrsh setup, it isn't able to connect to the server |
| 19:33.02 | iPeter- | is it easy to create apps for maemo? |
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| 19:33.38 | ieatlint | yes |
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| 19:33.55 | iPeter- | To learn where i should start? |
| 19:34.08 | ieatlint | are you looking to use gtk or qt? |
| 19:34.37 | iPeter- | Hmm, dunno but i think QT, i dont know much (or anything) on creating apps.. |
| 19:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | use qt then |
| 19:36.16 | luke-jr | iPeter-: grab Qt Creator |
| 19:36.19 | ieatlint | then you want to seek out the nokia qt sdk |
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| 19:36.41 | ieatlint | which will include everything you need to make apps for the phone |
| 19:36.44 | iPeter- | As im newbie could i get direct link to get correct one..? |
| 19:36.46 | ieatlint | (in c++/qt) |
| 19:37.04 | ieatlint | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html |
| 19:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation |
| 19:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://qt.nokia.com/ |
| 19:37.45 | ieatlint | note that if you don't know c++ (or, perhaps c at a minimum), you'll want to do that first :P |
| 19:38.10 | iPeter- | :E |
| 19:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | or use pyqt |
| 19:38.26 | iPeter- | Why i didnt learn that language year back -.- |
| 19:38.29 | ieatlint | ah, right, pyqt |
| 19:38.46 | iPeter- | Sounds easy and crap but linxx again? :D |
| 19:39.07 | ieatlint | google for "pyqt maemo" |
| 19:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | or grab arbitrary package sourcode in python, from garage.maemo.org |
| 19:39.56 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, STILL |
| 19:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | can't take it any longer, sorry |
| 19:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | lame of laughing |
| 19:40.24 | luke-jr | ieatlint: C/C++ are not prerequisites to Qt |
| 19:40.53 | luke-jr | Qt applications are compatible with inline C/C++ code, but for the most part only the syntax is shared |
| 19:40.56 | luke-jr | and syntax is easy enough |
| 19:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe it's normal those 4chan threads go on for weeks and months? |
| 19:41.26 | ieatlint | senses a pedantic "well, technically..." discussion approaching |
| 19:41.35 | luke-jr | basically, it's bad code if you use C/C++ within a Qt application |
| 19:42.33 | iPeter- | is Nokia QT SDK like umm.. |
| 19:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: basically it's considered rude to tell a nob about the diferences between Qt and C++ |
| 19:42.38 | iPeter- | virtual basic? |
| 19:42.48 | iPeter- | i mean VB program, easy 2 use |
| 19:43.08 | luke-jr | iPeter-: VB is a bad joke, forget everything you learned with it |
| 19:43.38 | ieatlint | luke-jr: can you help me compile php-qt for the n900 so i can write all my apps with it? |
| 19:43.42 | ieatlint | :P |
| 19:43.51 | luke-jr | ieatlint: you don't want that |
| 19:43.53 | luke-jr | PHP is leaky |
| 19:43.54 | iPeter- | i didnt learn it. its crap. Id like to know qt and doing stuff to maemo etc, but dont know where to start.. |
| 19:44.10 | luke-jr | iPeter-: grab Qt Creator or the SDK |
| 19:44.14 | TomaszD | alterego, *sigh* in FCamera, swipe up to see the image viewer, you can "share" and then it's JPG ... |
| 19:44.16 | luke-jr | read the Qt docs |
| 19:44.29 | ieatlint | how about perlqt? i hear perl is really versatile |
| 19:44.32 | iPeter- | qt createor? |
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| 19:44.40 | luke-jr | ieatlint: that'd be fine if perlqt actually existed |
| 19:44.50 | ieatlint | http://perlqt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:44.58 | ieatlint | haha, dated 2003 |
| 19:45.13 | luke-jr | I mean a real perlqt |
| 19:45.15 | TomaszD | alterego, you can also swipe down for options |
| 19:45.38 | lcuk | superglues w00t_ back together |
| 19:45.46 | w00t_ | :D |
| 19:46.05 | iPeter- | ffuu-, i readlly dont know what should i download now to start with QT |
| 19:46.33 | luke-jr | iPeter-: we told you like 3 times |
| 19:46.50 | iPeter- | Yeah, but direct links would help me to get on feet. |
| 19:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you grumpy pale ole hax0r, stop talking beginners into C++ with tonal meta-extensions, and get some real sex! |
| 19:47.08 | luke-jr | you mean would help you be lazy |
| 19:47.13 | iPeter- | im now installing Nokia Qt SDK, should i start with it or is there easier method? |
| 19:47.23 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that isn't funny |
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| 19:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | actually it isn't |
| 19:48.03 | iPeter- | luke-jr: No. i just want to get the correct one.. |
| 19:48.06 | ieatlint | qt can get you laid |
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| 19:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | I just thaought it sounds a little more nice this way, rather than STFU |
| 19:49.24 | iPeter- | :< |
| 19:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: depends on your experience with programming |
| 19:50.09 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: None experience. |
| 19:50.21 | iPeter- | Or if you count PHP and HTML, a bit SQL |
| 19:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | then probably Qt docs and environment are a bad way to start |
| 19:50.53 | iPeter- | What would be better way then? |
| 19:50.57 | ieatlint | i'd recommend python |
| 19:50.59 | ieatlint | and a book |
| 19:51.16 | ieatlint | start with some basic stuff with python itself, and then look at qt |
| 19:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, with PHP and SQL you should know the basics at least. I'd suggest you have a look into C++ and see if you like it, otherwise go for Python and on N900 pyQt |
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| 19:52.44 | iPeter- | hmm okay |
| 19:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | python is relatively lightweight for a learning curve |
| 19:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: an easy start: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4 |
| 19:54.31 | iPeter- | Im not sure yet how this works, but if im learning C++ (im going to need that language in school etc later) can i direclty do it to n900, make noobapps or is it too hard for noob? like an application "Hello world" |
| 19:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | hello world app in Qt (which is based on C++ originally) can be found in Qt tutorials |
| 19:56.02 | iPeter- | Okay |
| 19:56.35 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: It would be nice if i would get link to Qt tut, then im going to be quiet for a while, prolly.. |
| 19:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | Qt is a set of toolbits originally designed for use on C++ engine. But other engines like python adopted it |
| 19:57.29 | luke-jr | got speed from GPS packet |
| 19:57.35 | luke-jr | it's in centimeters per second :P |
| 19:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://qt.nokia.com/ |
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| 19:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html |
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| 20:00.32 | ieatlint | well, that explains why it got quiet |
| 20:01.28 | kerio | huh? i thought qt was a c/c++ lib |
| 20:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: err, nobody except maybe luke-jr is stating anything different |
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| 20:02.32 | kerio | yeah, i was reading the scrollback |
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| 20:02.52 | nextime | kerio : many c/c++ libs have other language bindings |
| 20:02.59 | kerio | yeah |
| 20:03.03 | kerio | but they're not a language |
| 20:03.13 | nextime | of course not |
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| 20:03.15 | ieatlint | qt is c++, the point i think he was trying to make is that you generally should only be using qt libs in a qt app |
| 20:03.20 | luke-jr | kerio: Qt is implemented in C++, just like C++ is implemented in C |
| 20:03.21 | ieatlint | ie, not other libs |
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| 20:03.32 | kerio | by definition anything for C also works with python, with a *simple* wrapper |
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| 20:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | throws a bag of Jolly Time popcorn into the microwave |
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| 20:05.45 | ieatlint | ooh, popcorn |
| 20:05.50 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: What app i have to use where to write code (looking this pyqt tutorial |
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| 20:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: that's one of the nice things about python. It's a scripting language, means it's interpreted and the source is the executable |
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| 20:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | just like a shellscript |
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| 20:08.31 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: So in windows i create new document testing.py and then run it it should work? |
| 20:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: yep, basically. Though on windoze I dunno |
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| 20:09.02 | luke-jr | iPeter-: who uses Windows? |
| 20:09.08 | iPeter- | luke-jr: gamers :< |
| 20:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: on N900 open a xterm, type `python <enter>` |
| 20:09.14 | luke-jr | naah |
| 20:09.22 | luke-jr | maybe gamers who play crap games |
| 20:09.44 | MohammadAG51 | consoles ftw |
| 20:09.49 | luke-jr | why isn't wiki.maemo.org working? |
| 20:09.54 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: Linux FTW |
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| 20:10.06 | Mousey | games on linux |
| 20:10.12 | MohammadAG51 | linux can't run games properly |
| 20:10.20 | Mousey | runs Team Fortress 2 just fine |
| 20:10.25 | luke-jr | bs MohammadAG51 |
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| 20:10.34 | MohammadAG51 | would rather use a console |
| 20:10.37 | Mousey | ew |
| 20:10.44 | MohammadAG51 | even for FPSs |
| 20:10.57 | Mousey | is done here |
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| 20:11.46 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Any way to do this on windoze? |
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| 20:12.01 | MohammadAG51 | lol Mousey |
| 20:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: sorry, I can't help with windoze. Haven't touched it since 10 years |
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| 20:12.39 | luke-jr | same here |
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| 20:13.02 | MohammadAG51 | got rid of my windows partition and got a used laptop for the family |
| 20:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | iPeter-: there's a thing called PuTTY on windows, you can use to ssh into your N900 |
| 20:13.12 | iPeter- | Okay. I would use linux if it would run games better.. |
| 20:13.21 | iPeter- | DocScrutinizer: Yeah. |
| 20:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | for writing python this should be just fine |
| 20:13.25 | MohammadAG51 | get a console and game properly |
| 20:13.27 | iPeter- | Using putty tray atm. |
| 20:14.36 | Mousey | Steam is coming out for Linux in the fall |
| 20:14.45 | Mousey | theres your "games better" |
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| 20:15.16 | ieatlint | arguing with open source advocates it like arguing with christians |
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| 20:15.39 | Mousey | not true |
| 20:15.47 | Mousey | i can prove there's open source software |
| 20:16.01 | ieatlint | :P |
| 20:16.03 | ieatlint | true |
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| 20:16.55 | dmj726_devel | open source or free software? |
| 20:17.07 | iPeter- | they have been "doing" steam for years to linux.. |
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| 20:17.40 | iPeter- | ffuu- Did i install now correct python thing.. |
| 20:17.51 | iPeter- | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 20:17.51 | iPeter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.51 | iPeter- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.52 | iPeter- | ImportError: No module named PyQt4 |
| 20:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | install pyqt4 :-P |
| 20:18.19 | MohammadAG | pyQt bindings? |
| 20:18.23 | luke-jr | Mousey: and I can prove there's God. what's your point? |
| 20:19.19 | Mousey | check out the last sentence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html |
| 20:19.23 | Mousey | luke-jr: hahaha |
| 20:19.25 | TomaszD | no, no, no, no. Don't start luke-jr :) |
| 20:19.30 | Mousey | you prove there's a god, i'll start going to church |
| 20:20.11 | dmj726_devel | where is the "Steam for Linux" news? |
| 20:20.22 | Mousey | dmj726_devel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7715209/Steam-for-Mac-goes-live.html, last sentence |
| 20:20.36 | luke-jr | Mousey: unlikely, you'll probably just deny it and look the other way |
| 20:20.43 | luke-jr | but the logic still stands strong, despite any denial |
| 20:20.55 | Mousey | i don't need logic to prove there's a linux |
| 20:21.03 | Mousey | i just need a working computer |
| 20:21.10 | luke-jr | observation is not proof |
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| 20:21.27 | Mousey | uh |
| 20:21.35 | TomaszD | oh boy |
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| 20:21.50 | Mousey | i don't need weasel words to prove there's a linux. i can use empirical evidence |
| 20:22.00 | TomaszD | don't take the bait |
| 20:22.03 | TomaszD | it's pointless |
| 20:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | STFU :-( |
| 20:22.11 | luke-jr | lol |
| 20:22.19 | Mousey | i can use any number and manner of evidences to prove there's a linux. trying to prove there's a god is pointless. |
| 20:22.20 | Mousey | k, i'm done |
| 20:22.24 | MohammadAG | +1s DocScrutinizer |
| 20:22.27 | luke-jr | I basically have everything but altitude now |
| 20:22.59 | ieatlint | you people are too easy to rile up |
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| 20:23.19 | TomaszD | ieatlint, we just try to kill any craziness before it even starts |
| 20:23.25 | kerio | FPSes on consoles... |
| 20:23.26 | kerio | EW |
| 20:23.28 | kerio | just EW |
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| 20:23.33 | Mousey | kerio: here we go again |
| 20:23.40 | jacekowski | i'mi'm seriously impressed |
| 20:23.43 | ieatlint | TomaszD: you were saying? |
| 20:23.44 | jacekowski | i@m* |
| 20:23.47 | jacekowski | i'm* |
| 20:24.08 | jacekowski | they are building bridge over the road next to me |
| 20:24.13 | TomaszD | ieatlint, that we get easily riled up, I'm just saying we kill the discussion before it escalates :) |
| 20:24.15 | Mousey | to nowhere? |
| 20:24.16 | jacekowski | and doing it overnight |
| 20:24.24 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, call the police? |
| 20:24.30 | kerio | Mousey: yes, we go again, FPSes with a joystick are the spawn of satan |
| 20:24.31 | jacekowski | and it took them 2 nights to do all formwork |
| 20:24.35 | dmj726_devel | actually a console could do fps gaming well if it supported keyboards and mice and multiple monitors |
| 20:24.37 | jacekowski | and it's 2x2 lanes wide road |
| 20:24.48 | luke-jr | lol |
| 20:24.49 | kerio | wiimote+nunchuck is somewhat acceptable |
| 20:24.53 | ieatlint | jacekowski: you clearly aren't in the US then :P |
| 20:24.54 | Mousey | tries to imagine consoles supporting 2x2 lane wide roads |
| 20:24.56 | MohammadAG | dmj726_devel, unreal tournament supports it :P |
| 20:24.57 | kerio | but it still *can't* beat mouse+keyboard |
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| 20:25.03 | jacekowski | ieatlint: why? |
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| 20:25.19 | kerio | 2x2 lanes roads? |
| 20:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 20:25.21 | ieatlint | because i've only seen a construction project go that fast once |
| 20:25.24 | MohammadAG | kinky |
| 20:25.25 | kerio | it's *two* roads, one over another |
| 20:25.35 | ieatlint | and it was because they threw over $100m at it |
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| 20:26.02 | jacekowski | kerio: 2 lanes in each direction |
| 20:26.08 | kerio | oh |
| 20:26.12 | jacekowski | kerio: and they are building 2 lanes wide bridge over it |
| 20:26.12 | kerio | less awesome |
| 20:26.15 | kerio | :) |
| 20:26.25 | jacekowski | and slip roads and all that stuff |
| 20:26.45 | jacekowski | because current one that's about one mile to the east |
| 20:26.48 | jacekowski | isn't enough |
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| 20:27.04 | luke-jr | someone good with units help me out here :/ |
| 20:27.32 | luke-jr | 649 ??? = 353.5 metres |
| 20:27.33 | jacekowski | and well, that's only £10million project |
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| 20:27.51 | luke-jr | 143 ??? = ~23 metres |
| 20:28.11 | luke-jr | 308 ??? = 107.5 metres |
| 20:28.16 | luke-jr | ??? are all the same unit |
| 20:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 20:28.41 | luke-jr | this is the LAST piece to the GPS puzzle, I think |
| 20:29.20 | ieatlint | uh, that can't be the same unit of measurement |
| 20:29.42 | jacekowski | well, it could |
| 20:29.45 | kerio | it can |
| 20:29.55 | ieatlint | 143 / 23 == 6.2 while 6.2 * 107.5 == 666.5 |
| 20:29.55 | jacekowski | if it would be like angular unit |
| 20:30.13 | jacekowski | that's dependant longitude and latitude |
| 20:30.19 | TomaszD | I'd use http://www.wolframalpha.com luke-jr |
| 20:30.19 | jacekowski | and height |
| 20:30.30 | jacekowski | that's possible with gps |
| 20:30.32 | kerio | ieatlint: lrn2math |
| 20:30.33 | jacekowski | but very unlikely |
| 20:30.35 | luke-jr | TomaszD: ? |
| 20:30.39 | TomaszD | for units |
| 20:30.40 | ieatlint | kerio: math is overrated |
| 20:30.47 | jacekowski | but |
| 20:30.55 | jacekowski | it could be floating point stuff |
| 20:31.00 | jacekowski | luke-jr: so we know all now? |
| 20:31.04 | luke-jr | ieatlint: there could be a static offset too |
| 20:31.15 | luke-jr | jacekowski: except altitude :P |
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| 20:31.28 | luke-jr | jacekowski: and I haven't decoded other length packets yet |
| 20:31.45 | kerio | hmm, can't be a unit |
| 20:31.55 | luke-jr | ieatlint: think celcius vs fahrenheit |
| 20:32.01 | luke-jr | 0 C is 32 F |
| 20:32.07 | kerio | unless that ~23 is really, really ~ |
| 20:32.13 | luke-jr | it is really ~ |
| 20:32.22 | luke-jr | ~23 is a human's word |
| 20:32.23 | infobot | ...but 23 is already something else... |
| 20:32.30 | luke-jr | use 649=353.5 and 308=107.5 :) |
| 20:32.38 | kerio | ~42 |
| 20:32.39 | infobot | [42] the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 20:32.45 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 20:32.45 | infobot | kerio: aw, gee |
| 20:32.46 | derf | luke-jr: The least squares minimizer is m = 0.663413*???-81.9182, but it's not a very good approximation. |
| 20:33.02 | luke-jr | derf: wtf does that mean? |
| 20:33.12 | kerio | assume y=ax+b, find a and b with three pairs of x and y |
| 20:34.12 | luke-jr | kerio: yeah, so... |
| 20:34.28 | kerio | so it doesn't work |
| 20:34.31 | derf | That gives you offsets of -4.86m, 10.05m, and 14.91m. |
| 20:34.41 | derf | Err, -10.05m, I meant. |
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| 20:35.32 | derf | GPS should be a little more accurate than that. |
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| 20:35.45 | kerio | why don't we just ask nokia? |
| 20:35.46 | kerio | ._. |
| 20:35.55 | lcuk | sme people say i use gps for mm accurate positioning |
| 20:36.09 | TomaszD | hey Nokia, we're reverse engineering your binary GPS blob, help us out |
| 20:36.13 | TomaszD | yeah, that will go well |
| 20:36.15 | luke-jr | kerio: Nokia has a history not helping |
| 20:36.39 | ShadowJK | 10m accuracy sounds good for gps |
| 20:36.44 | ShadowJK | very good |
| 20:37.11 | luke-jr | reminder: this is altitude |
| 20:37.33 | ShadowJK | supernaturally good |
| 20:37.54 | kerio | huh... missing <sarcasm> tags? |
| 20:38.26 | TomaszD | no sarcasm, altitude measurement is notoriously bad with consumer gps |
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| 21:35.10 | luke-jr | uhoh |
| 21:35.14 | luke-jr | I think I broke my cellmo |
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| 21:39.19 | kerio | luke-jr: that's a pretty big "uhoh" |
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| 21:39.57 | luke-jr | XD |
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| 21:44.10 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:45.28 | smhar | is there a way -yet- to create custom groups for contacts? |
| 21:47.27 | teilzeitstudent | smhar, "My Contacts" allows to group contacts... but has a fixed set of groups. Guess thats not what you mean? |
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| 21:49.03 | smhar | currently I can only see 3 groups, ovi, skype, and the general from the sim card |
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| 21:50.30 | teilzeitstudent | those are the ones created by the default contact manager... I was talking about an alternative for it. It creates 5 groups (like.. family, friends, vip, etc). |
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| 21:50.39 | teilzeitstudent | lemme look for a link.. |
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| 21:53.24 | teilzeitstudent | smhar, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57162 |
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| 21:53.49 | smhar | will check that. thanks teilzeitstudent |
| 21:54.27 | teilzeitstudent | it also allows for custom ringtones for each group. Though I just noticed an alternative for that in devel |
| 21:54.44 | teilzeitstudent | np. |
| 21:56.03 | teilzeitstudent | So anyway... is there a way to get notifications if there is a new package in a repo? The RSS feed on the website includes updated packages as well |
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| 21:59.17 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps.c |
| 21:59.21 | luke-jr | who wants to play guinea pig? |
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| 21:59.58 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer alterego |
| 22:00.22 | lcuk | luke-jr, didnt you just say something about breaking your cellmo |
| 22:00.30 | lcuk | and now you want us to test code you wrote :P |
| 22:00.32 | luke-jr | lcuk: reboot fixed it :) |
| 22:00.42 | luke-jr | I also added some theoretical cleanup to it |
| 22:00.50 | luke-jr | haven't had the problem since |
| 22:01.00 | luke-jr | and I've run it at least 10 times in progress of making it |
| 22:01.11 | luke-jr | worst case, tho, reboot |
| 22:01.20 | luke-jr | actually, worst case who knows |
| 22:01.23 | luke-jr | but I onyl had to reboot |
| 22:01.30 | luke-jr | I recommend not trying to run it while Maemo is usign GPS :) |
| 22:02.17 | lcuk | what does it do |
| 22:02.24 | luke-jr | it basically dumps all the GPS info that location-daemon normally gives you |
| 22:02.25 | luke-jr | to stdout |
| 22:04.42 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: |
| 22:04.45 | SpeedEvil | oj |
| 22:04.47 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 22:04.52 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: what's that do? |
| 22:05.00 | luke-jr | [17:02:23] <luke-jr> it basically dumps all the GPS info that location-daemon normally gives you to stdout |
| 22:05.09 | luke-jr | except it talks directly to cellmo |
| 22:05.11 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: What do I need to do |
| 22:05.15 | luke-jr | compile & run\ |
| 22:07.02 | SpeedEvil | In file included from gps.c:9: |
| 22:07.02 | SpeedEvil | /usr/include/linux/phonet.h:50: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘__u8’ |
| 22:07.03 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 22:08.00 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 22:08.17 | jacekowski | how are you communicating with cellmo? |
| 22:08.20 | jacekowski | libisi? |
| 22:08.58 | SpeedEvil | I should probably not do this stuff when very tired, I'm gonna look stupid. |
| 22:09.35 | luke-jr | jacekowski: socket, bind |
| 22:09.39 | luke-jr | recv, sendto |
| 22:09.46 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: binary at http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps |
| 22:10.10 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no dependencies other than Linux and C :) |
| 22:10.30 | luke-jr | jacekowski: (you could have read the code... :P) |
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| 22:11.29 | jacekowski | i don't see a link in my irc window |
| 22:11.37 | jacekowski | and it's too late for me to bother to read backlog |
| 22:12.09 | jacekowski | found it |
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| 22:12.34 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I tried compiling it with gcc on device that's worked for kernel, openssl, ... anyway |
| 22:12.38 | SpeedEvil | Read 20 bytes |
| 22:12.38 | SpeedEvil | Date: 0000-00-00 |
| 22:12.48 | SpeedEvil | repeatedly, after startup with no gps signal |
| 22:12.59 | SpeedEvil | do I need to start an app that uses GPS? |
| 22:13.04 | luke-jr | no |
| 22:13.06 | luke-jr | just wait |
| 22:13.11 | luke-jr | GPS needs to get a fix |
| 22:13.26 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 22:13.31 | SpeedEvil | I also need to get out of bed. |
| 22:13.36 | SpeedEvil | oh the huge manatee. |
| 22:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Read 56 bytes |
| 22:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Date: 0768-00-00 |
| 22:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Time: 03:02:00.001 (accuracy: 0) |
| 22:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Latitude : 0.033002 |
| 22:14.01 | SpeedEvil | Longitude: 0.005493 |
| 22:14.01 | SpeedEvil | eph: 540cm |
| 22:14.01 | SpeedEvil | Altitude: 0? (accurate to 0.000000?) |
| 22:14.05 | SpeedEvil | bogons |
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| 22:15.50 | jaem | 'Afternoon |
| 22:16.00 | SpeedEvil | I would have expected a lock in the location it's in by now |
| 22:16.01 | luke-jr | jaem: wanna be guinea pig? |
| 22:16.25 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: how's the sky? |
| 22:16.29 | jaem | luke-jr: If by "me", you mean my N810, sure. If you mean my N900, maybe. If you mean *me*, no. :P |
| 22:16.38 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: rainy and dark |
| 22:16.39 | luke-jr | jaem: N900 :) |
| 22:16.41 | jaem | luke-jr: let me check my weather widget. |
| 22:16.52 | luke-jr | jaem: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps |
| 22:16.56 | jacekowski | i would check it as well |
| 22:16.56 | SpeedEvil | About 50% visible. |
| 22:17.00 | jacekowski | but i'm to lazy to move |
| 22:17.03 | luke-jr | append .c if you want source |
| 22:17.38 | luke-jr | be sure Maemo isn't using the GPS, then run that :P |
| 22:17.51 | jaem | luke-jr: I was kidding, although admittedly the phone was closer than the (open) door to The Outside |
| 22:18.45 | luke-jr | jaem: kidding? -.- |
| 22:18.45 | jaem | luke-jr: sure, I'll check it shortly |
| 22:19.39 | SpeedEvil | ok luke-jr. I have started gps-recorder-widget |
| 22:19.51 | SpeedEvil | And it has got lock, and I now get sane results |
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| 22:21.22 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1905601 |
| 22:22.32 | jacekowski | how does agps work? |
| 22:22.43 | jacekowski | i mean, do you have to push some data to gps using that phonet socket |
| 22:22.47 | jacekowski | or we don't know yet? |
| 22:23.00 | alterego | jacekowski: was about to ask the same thing ... |
| 22:23.01 | SpeedEvil | It would be awesome to find that out |
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| 22:23.10 | BCMM | is there a way to clear the cached images that show when an application is starting? |
| 22:23.14 | alterego | jacekowski: I presume so as agps data can come from wifi |
| 22:23.15 | jaem | luke-jr: I took a brief glance at the source, but what is this supposed to do, aside from print GPS info to the console? e.g. what is its purpose |
| 22:23.33 | jaem | BCMM: yes, there's a .dotfolder in /home/user somewheres |
| 22:23.33 | SpeedEvil | jaem: it talks to the 'raw' GPS hardware |
| 22:23.38 | SpeedEvil | which isn't really very raw |
| 22:23.41 | BCMM | the app manager shows the previous theme for a few seconds |
| 22:23.44 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: like I said, you need to be sure Maemo is *not* using GPS |
| 22:23.45 | jaem | SpeedEvil: Right, I read about that a bit. |
| 22:23.51 | alterego | jaem: it's standalone, it doesn't use lib location talks directly to the cellmo |
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| 22:23.56 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I didn't do any AGPS |
| 22:24.01 | jacekowski | thing is |
| 22:24.02 | jaem | alterego: I figured. Why, though? |
| 22:24.06 | jacekowski | that location-daemon |
| 22:24.12 | jacekowski | doesn't have any agps related code |
| 22:24.17 | alterego | jaem: to get around the closed source driver obviously. |
| 22:24.23 | jacekowski | so it has to be somewhere else |
| 22:24.28 | jaem | alterego: I forgot that one was closed. |
| 22:24.34 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It did not get a lock until I started gpx-recorder-widget |
| 22:24.42 | jaem | Okay, luke-jr, what do you want me to do? Do you need a log pastebin'd back? |
| 22:24.48 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: my console app started working when you did?? |
| 22:24.51 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:24.54 | luke-jr | jaem: nah, just test it |
| 22:25.03 | luke-jr | jaem: see valid data ... or not, if your N900 is like SpeedEvil's |
| 22:25.06 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: weird |
| 22:25.11 | jaem | luke-jr: I'll be back momentarily |
| 22:25.11 | BCMM | jaem: is that .cache/launch? |
| 22:25.17 | jaem | BCMM: That sounds about right. |
| 22:25.45 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Also - gpx-recorder works fine |
| 22:25.53 | SpeedEvil | actually - it's generated a file, I diddn't check |
| 22:26.09 | jacekowski | would be nice to get proper datasheet from gps chip manufacturer |
| 22:26.21 | SpeedEvil | file looks fine |
| 22:26.25 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: not much help |
| 22:26.40 | alterego | jacekowski: upload to the chip would be amazing ... |
| 22:26.43 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: inferring stuff from the datasheet, it would not directly output NMEA |
| 22:27.01 | alterego | Will this stuff be open in MeeGo? :/ |
| 22:27.01 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: a little program on the phone CPU does thenumbercrunching |
| 22:27.05 | SpeedEvil | we're really talking to that |
| 22:27.07 | jaem | luke-jr: Well, the *app* works, and updates, but the data is quite clearly bogus. |
| 22:27.27 | luke-jr | jaem: :( |
| 22:27.33 | jaem | I take it the GPS Status icon shouldn't appear with this code, right? |
| 22:27.36 | SpeedEvil | jaem: Start something that uses GPS |
| 22:27.48 | SpeedEvil | jaem: as you would normally - leaving hte app running |
| 22:27.59 | jaem | luke-jr: Just FYI, my phone was a non-retail unit, although I believe it should be final hardware. |
| 22:28.09 | alterego | SpeedEvil: did you use my app earlier? |
| 22:28.12 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:28.22 | alterego | What did you think? :) |
| 22:28.23 | jaem | SpeedEvil: I'll check that. |
| 22:28.36 | SpeedEvil | alterego: not much, as it bombed immediately with the qt lib problem |
| 22:28.52 | jaem | alterego: which app is this? |
| 22:28.53 | alterego | Oh, so you didn't install Qt them? |
| 22:28.54 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Does failing at resolving links stages count as use... hmm. |
| 22:28.55 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:29.17 | SpeedEvil | I have various QT stuff installed. It sounded like pain to work out which right qt lib I should have |
| 22:29.27 | alterego | SpeedEvil: not really, just wanted to know what you thought of the UI |
| 22:29.34 | alterego | QtLocation ... |
| 22:30.13 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: is yours also pre-retail>? |
| 22:30.41 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:30.49 | SpeedEvil | Altitude 303? |
| 22:31.06 | jaem | luke-jr: It works when running the GPS Recorder app, although I'm not certain about the "climb" data. |
| 22:31.17 | jaem | If you want, I can walk it up the hill outside and check properly |
| 22:31.28 | alterego | SpeedEvil: libqtm-location |
| 22:32.23 | jaem | luke-jr: Also, my phone is definitely post-summit by a good while, but I'm not sure how old it is. My prof got it from someone at Dev Days in California a week or two before retail shipments started. |
| 22:32.37 | SpeedEvil | Could the altitude be ft/m? |
| 22:32.48 | SpeedEvil | it looks about right for feet, but bogus for m |
| 22:33.29 | alterego | jaem: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/ the bottom screenshot is of the latest UI, the others were work in progress. The exe is in there though you need to install libqtm-location |
| 22:33.55 | SpeedEvil | jaem: yeah - it's bogus |
| 22:34.05 | jaem | alterego: what is this "exe" you speak of? :P |
| 22:34.15 | SpeedEvil | jaem: the gpx reports 100mish, the elevation reports 300 |
| 22:34.19 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:34.22 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: |
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| 22:34.26 | luke-jr | it's not feet |
| 22:34.35 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: my phone is retail, purchased as a pre-release |
| 22:34.42 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I don't specify units for altitude :p |
| 22:34.45 | alterego | jaem: just a binary compiled for PR1.2 |
| 22:34.46 | SpeedEvil | sure |
| 22:35.02 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: have you reverse engineered all of this? |
| 22:35.04 | jaem | alterego: That looks nice! Is the compass face an image, or drawn with Qt? |
| 22:35.06 | kerio | Maemo Altitude Units |
| 22:35.12 | kerio | we should get that in the SI |
| 22:35.26 | alterego | jaem: drawn with Qt when it's changed but blit for rotation. |
| 22:35.28 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: alterego helped |
| 22:35.29 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: here - it looks like straight ft/m at 100m alt |
| 22:35.33 | luke-jr | he found the time/date |
| 22:35.34 | jaem | alterego: shiny |
| 22:35.44 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: wtf is ft/m? |
| 22:36.00 | jaem | luke-jr: "feet per metre", of course... or so I would have to assume |
| 22:36.03 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: reported ele are in units of .33m |
| 22:36.09 | SpeedEvil | well - ish |
| 22:36.12 | kerio | 0.30 |
| 22:36.16 | SpeedEvil | but it looks like a straight conversion |
| 22:36.24 | kerio | it's one foot / meter |
| 22:36.29 | jaem | Poke me if anyone needs more testing - I'm going back to work for now. |
| 22:36.55 | luke-jr | [15:27:31] <luke-jr> 649 ??? = 353.5 metres |
| 22:36.57 | luke-jr | [15:28:10] <luke-jr> 308 ??? = 107.5 metres |
| 22:37.08 | alterego | luke-jr: where did you get that init code for the GPS? Any idea what it actually means? :) |
| 22:37.16 | SpeedEvil | Ok - same time. |
| 22:37.22 | alterego | luke-jr: might contain the assisted data ... |
| 22:37.26 | luke-jr | alterego: strace, and no |
| 22:37.39 | luke-jr | alterego: that would explain why it doesn't work for anyone else :) |
| 22:38.01 | SpeedEvil | 22:36:00 - GPX reports 100.0m Altituder reports 301 |
| 22:38.25 | alterego | luke-jr: probably ;) look for satellite numers in that code. |
| 22:38.42 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: how much data si there that you don't understand in the packet? |
| 22:38.52 | alterego | luke-jr: would def explain it if it stops working in 4 hours :P |
| 22:38.58 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: more than 50% |
| 22:39.05 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Do you have location-test-gui? |
| 22:39.12 | alterego | SpeedEvil: quite a lot, check the wiki page. |
| 22:39.13 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: dunno |
| 22:39.53 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: you would typically also expect a series of triplets - satellite number, alt/az, signal |
| 22:39.57 | SpeedEvil | quads even |
| 22:39.58 | luke-jr | I wrote a program to dump hex packets combined with the Python location output |
| 22:40.13 | luke-jr | everything except altitude's units is decoded from the Python data |
| 22:40.24 | alterego | luke-jr: actually, that message doesn't look at all like it's got agps data ... |
| 22:40.34 | alterego | Too short and not enough meaningful ino. |
| 22:40.46 | alterego | info ... |
| 22:41.40 | SpeedEvil | It may be an initial time |
| 22:44.54 | alterego | luke-jr: what is the time where you are? |
| 22:45.19 | luke-jr | 5:45 PM |
| 22:45.45 | alterego | My crap, it'd be UTC anyway I would have thought ... |
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| 22:49.18 | asj | is really pleased to see how good fapman is getting |
| 22:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what SI is ish |
| 22:49.47 | jaem | asj: Oh? I should try it. |
| 22:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | mish |
| 22:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | 300k |
| 22:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | ish |
| 22:50.00 | alterego | luke-jr: can you get the data for that init again and see if it's changed :) |
| 22:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:50.32 | asj | jaem: very worth it, I used to fear looking for and installing new stuff. With -devel the ap manager makes me shudder |
| 22:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | GPS will typically send lots of different packets |
| 22:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | also receive quite a few |
| 22:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | for A |
| 22:51.02 | jaem | asj: Awesome, I'll give it a try. |
| 22:51.31 | jaem | On Diablo there was a daemon to sync the clock from the GPS signal. Is that available on Fremantle? |
| 22:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | wonder why I got no 0xcc packets at all |
| 22:51.44 | jaem | I assume the "sync time" option normally syncs from the cell carrier...? |
| 22:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:52.11 | alterego | jaem: we can do it now :) |
| 22:52.17 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: to which one? |
| 22:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: anyway there's packet ntp |
| 22:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: to you |
| 22:52.47 | luke-jr | alterego: yes maam |
| 22:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | cell carrier time |
| 22:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng HAM just tool 5 minutes to make up his mind about the ~30 apps I could deinstall |
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| 22:54.17 | jaem | :( |
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| 22:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | so "makes me shudder" is a euphemism |
| 22:54.54 | luke-jr | alterego: it hasn't |
| 22:55.56 | asj | DocScrutinizer: why aren't you using fapman? ;) |
| 22:56.27 | alterego | luke-jr: probably, nothing ingteresting there then :) |
| 22:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | lemme think... maybe because I wasn't completely dizzy by its performance when giving it a 30s try |
| 22:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 22:57.36 | alterego | luke-jr: I've noticed that when I use it, (it wont have a lock) and it shows info that's very much like that eroneous info I was seeing earlier. Though I've noticed what you're reporting as speed is decreasing by one ... |
| 22:57.42 | alterego | every update |
| 22:57.59 | jaem | DocScrutinizer, asj: well, queued operations is a big thing for me. |
| 22:58.21 | asj | fcamera rocks |
| 22:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: ack |
| 22:58.34 | jaem | I don't blame Nokia for not doing it like traditional package managers, but they could have at least backgrounded the installs like Ubuntu's "Software Centre" does. |
| 22:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | asj: just tested it, found genuine even better quality :-S |
| 22:58.57 | alterego | asj: agreed :) |
| 22:59.01 | jaem | I usually use the cli package managers anyway, but for newbies, the Ubuntu Software Centre is on the right track ,I think. |
| 22:59.26 | jaem | asj: I tried fcamera this morning, but the viewfinder is blank. Am I Doing it Wrong(TM)? |
| 22:59.27 | luke-jr | jaem: you can switch apps while it installs |
| 22:59.47 | alterego | jaem: open the lens cover :P |
| 22:59.48 | asj | jaem: did you open the lens cover? ;p |
| 22:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: open cam lens slider ;-P |
| 22:59.54 | alterego | hah |
| 22:59.56 | asj | lol |
| 22:59.59 | jaem | all three: I did that. |
| 23:00.10 | alterego | Did you restart your phone? |
| 23:00.10 | lcuk | lol reboot and try again |
| 23:00.14 | jaem | yes |
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| 23:00.23 | asj | jaem: oh, did you reboot? |
| 23:00.27 | lcuk | then turn the lights on :p |
| 23:00.28 | alterego | Also, if you're using a custom kernel ... gutted :P |
| 23:00.42 | jaem | luke-jr: No, what I meant was allowing queued operations without having to select them all first. The Ubuntu Software Centre handles it by just throwing the download into a "current operations" tab and letting the user continue browsing for more. |
| 23:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: if it says "no photos to display" then slide down to get viewfinder |
| 23:00.50 | jaem | alterego: Ah, will that kill it? |
| 23:00.56 | alterego | jaem: yes |
| 23:00.59 | jaem | alterego: bah |
| 23:01.06 | jaem | Any way around that? I like my kernel |
| 23:01.11 | jaem | hugs his kernel protectively |
| 23:01.19 | alterego | jaem: unless you compile the drivers yourself, which you can ofcourse :) |
| 23:01.38 | jaem | alterego: Yeah, I suppose I could do that. |
| 23:01.39 | alterego | All in their subversion garage account. |
| 23:01.50 | jaem | Are there src-debs in -testing as well? |
| 23:02.04 | alterego | Possibly, didn't check |
| 23:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: you noticed the blue square icon fcam kernel modules, in HAM? |
| 23:02.15 | alterego | I installed manually with dpkg -i |
| 23:02.31 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: I used apt-get/dpkg as well |
| 23:02.46 | jaem | It complained about blessn900 - was that from the same devs, or just otherwise conflicting? |
| 23:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | see, that's why I like to use HAM for certain purposes |
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| 23:03.07 | alterego | luke-jr: your app has locked now, giving me good data |
| 23:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | screw blessn900 -> crap |
| 23:03.46 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: didn't like that app myself :/ |
| 23:04.05 | alterego | kudos for whover did it though. I just thought it was awful :D |
| 23:04.22 | luke-jr | alterego: without Maemo accessing GPS? |
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| 23:04.35 | alterego | luke-jr: yup |
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| 23:04.50 | alterego | just left it running unti it llocked. |
| 23:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | (blessn900) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10031 +3 |
| 23:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | nothing more to say |
| 23:05.46 | luke-jr | is ofono 0.23 recent enough for N900 support? |
| 23:06.11 | alterego | luke-jr: what ever meego are using ... |
| 23:06.48 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, do same test using fcam and blessn900 again please |
| 23:06.58 | lcuk | complete verification of differences? |
| 23:07.12 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: I was asking about why the packages conflicted. |
| 23:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: cost 5 beers :-P |
| 23:07.35 | lcuk | sure at the next crossing point conf/summit |
| 23:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: both come with 'proprietary' cam drivers |
| 23:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you tell us |
| 23:08.25 | lcuk | hmmm |
| 23:08.47 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, fcamera fcam-dev fcam-drivers are all OSS |
| 23:08.51 | lcuk | i just apt-get sourced them |
| 23:08.53 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: -.- |
| 23:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | I gave fcam a short test today (1h ago) wasn't impressed |
| 23:08.58 | lcuk | from fremantle/free |
| 23:09.13 | alterego | luke-jr: alt looks like it's in feet for me. |
| 23:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's reason for the ' |
| 23:09.25 | luke-jr | alterego: it's not. |
| 23:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | you seen the gyro shit on tmo? |
| 23:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | fcam |
| 23:10.01 | SpeedEvil | alterego: run some sort of othedr app to readout the ele |
| 23:10.05 | alterego | luke-jr: speed looks correct |
| 23:10.05 | lcuk | sure i posted in the thread :P |
| 23:10.19 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: in this context, is "shit" good or bad? |
| 23:10.26 | lcuk | -drivers README indicates GPL2 |
| 23:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | who knows |
| 23:10.32 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I am, but my app is in meters ... |
| 23:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | it's gibberish for shure |
| 23:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | see my comment |
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| 23:11.19 | kerio | fcamera doesn't work with custom kernels |
| 23:11.26 | kerio | you probably can just recompile the modules |
| 23:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | you can NOT unshake / stabilize video with g-meter |
| 23:11.35 | SpeedEvil | I get 301 reported = 100.0 real |
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| 23:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | you NEED gyro |
| 23:11.38 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it does not unshake/stabilise |
| 23:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | it does |
| 23:11.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that isn't quite true |
| 23:11.50 | lcuk | it merely waits for a quite spell before using a pic taken in that spel |
| 23:11.53 | alterego | luke-jr: bearing looks correct too. |
| 23:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | that's what they claimed |
| 23:12.00 | lcuk | llread what i said |
| 23:12.05 | lcuk | and watch the video |
| 23:12.07 | lcuk | they show it |
| 23:12.14 | lcuk | accel == wobbly == throw away picture |
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| 23:12.20 | lcuk | accel == stable == keep picture |
| 23:12.23 | luke-jr | alterego: lol, good; had no clue how to test bearing XD |
| 23:12.41 | lcuk | its not removing jitter by technical means, its selecting the best time to grab and keep a picture |
| 23:12.41 | SpeedEvil | You can rotate it cleanly in the axis of gravity without the accel noticing - but... |
| 23:12.43 | alterego | luke-jr: it's repoting the same degrees as my compass is. |
| 23:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as long as you're not building a centripedal 'gyro' out of 3 mega-sensitive g-meters - it is |
| 23:13.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: of course. |
| 23:13.31 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's 'good enough' |
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| 23:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | what? 3 g-meters? forget it |
| 23:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | see FR |
| 23:14.11 | alterego | luke-jr: easy to chdeck when you move :P |
| 23:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | you need ~10^2 to 10^4 better sensitivity |
| 23:14.30 | luke-jr | alterego: is bearing supposed to be 0..360 or -180..180? |
| 23:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: hmm, even that will fail |
| 23:15.17 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it gives best chance possible |
| 23:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | yep sure |
| 23:15.39 | lcuk | its a decent sidestep :) |
| 23:15.49 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals - on multiple accellerometer positioning |
| 23:15.52 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:15.56 | SpeedEvil | orientation computing |
| 23:16.19 | alterego | luke-jr: 0-360 |
| 23:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | aaw do we need to discuss diffs between rotation and linear accel now? |
| 23:16.33 | alterego | Well 0-359 |
| 23:16.35 | ieatlint | anyone hear ever tried using pulseaudio in qt to record audio? |
| 23:16.35 | SpeedEvil | docs: see the above page |
| 23:16.58 | ieatlint | s/hear/here/ |
| 23:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | there's been somebody who was really upset about that qt-PA crap |
| 23:17.34 | jaem | DocScrutinizer, lcuk, SpeedEvil: Heck with it - get one of these and you're set! http://www.vectornav.com/ |
| 23:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | got lag of some 5s |
| 23:17.38 | alterego | anyway, bed time for me. |
| 23:17.59 | jaem | alterego: g'night |
| 23:18.05 | alterego | night folks |
| 23:18.15 | alterego | wonders off into dream land |
| 23:18.27 | lcuk | haha jaem i am getting reasonably high resolution absolute positioning with standard hardware :p |
| 23:18.28 | ieatlint | well, in a simple c application with pa_simple, i have no lag |
| 23:18.37 | lcuk | within confides of test area of course ;) |
| 23:18.42 | lcuk | nite alter |
| 23:18.47 | ieatlint | i'm working with ~20ms sound clips, and seen nothing of note |
| 23:19.07 | jaem | lcuk: well, we have two of those to play around with. :) They're not exactly cheap, though. :/ |
| 23:19.22 | ieatlint | unfortunately i can't use QAudioInput, because i need to pull the audio directly from pulseaudio |
| 23:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: check out bugtrac |
| 23:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a ticket with quite some comments |
| 23:20.16 | ieatlint | about the lag? |
| 23:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | in Qt |
| 23:20.27 | ieatlint | yep, lag not the issue :P |
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| 23:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | latency to be exact |
| 23:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | mentioning quite a number of related issues as well |
| 23:21.42 | ieatlint | my issue is far more obscure... i need a clean audio input, and QAudioInput uses the ALSA interface to PulseAudio to get its data. The ALSA interface for PulseAudio adds a filter to the audio (i presume to make voice recordings sound better) -- this filter fucks me |
| 23:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | like PA chosing buffer size on arbitrary criteria or somesuch |
| 23:22.03 | ieatlint | so i have to hit PulseAudio directly from qt, which is turning into something of a joke unto itself |
| 23:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | ALSA IF adds a filter??? o.O |
| 23:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?? |
| 23:22.50 | ieatlint | yes |
| 23:23.30 | ieatlint | it took me more hours than i want to ever want to admit to learn this, and ultimately someone on the dev mailing list helped me out a lot |
| 23:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | please dump the stack of plugins as seen by ALSA, analog to aplay -v |
| 23:23.54 | ieatlint | it'd be in PA, not ALSA |
| 23:23.59 | ieatlint | it's added before it hits ALSA |
| 23:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | (sorry can't remember name of alsa_xxx() function off top of my head) |
| 23:24.45 | ieatlint | if i record audio with pa_simple_read() using the default audio device, i get the filter -- if i tell it to record from the audio device "source.hw0", i get a clean signal |
| 23:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | PA is the hoofed one |
| 23:24.53 | luke-jr | alterego: what is used between 359 and 0? |
| 23:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | ALSA is rather clean |
| 23:25.24 | ieatlint | yeah, the filter's not in ALSA -- ALSA just uses the default PA audio device for recording, which gets the filter then |
| 23:25.42 | ieatlint | PA is a joke with worse api docs than EFL |
| 23:25.53 | lcuk | jaem, did you see the video i did with it? |
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| 23:26.05 | ieatlint | that was interesting timing :P |
| 23:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: know this one? http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf |
| 23:27.28 | jaem | lcuk: sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What's this? |
| 23:27.35 | jaem | If it wasn't recent, then probably. |
| 23:27.40 | lcuk | you posted link about positioning and stuff |
| 23:28.02 | lcuk | its very recent :) |
| 23:28.03 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM |
| 23:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | just some 10 pages but a laugh as well as a cry |
| 23:28.17 | ieatlint | reading... |
| 23:28.34 | jaem | lcuk: Gah... Flash is murdering itself again. Will watch in a few. |
| 23:29.04 | lcuk | ok |
| 23:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: they sync with cellmo OTA GSM timeslices, for completely unclear reasons and purposes - go figure! |
| 23:30.11 | jaem | lcuk: woah, that's neat (conceptually and in terms of execution)! |
| 23:30.25 | jaem | I like this comment: "If this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's \"magic\". But since it is not..." |
| 23:31.09 | jaem | lcuk: Is it strictly based on movement? |
| 23:31.19 | lcuk | nope |
| 23:31.23 | lcuk | accelerometer is disabled |
| 23:31.27 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that looks like the filter :P |
| 23:32.36 | ieatlint | that filter caused me much pain |
| 23:32.40 | ieatlint | shakes fist |
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| 23:33.17 | luke-jr | fwiw, someone wrote a BME replacement in BASH: https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html |
| 23:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | maemo fremantle audio system is thoroughly fscked up |
| 23:33.28 | ieatlint | i've got a little c program now that can read magnetic stripes |
| 23:33.57 | jaem | lcuk: That is pretty darn awesome... When do we get the code? :) |
| 23:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: electranox!?!?!?! that cheeter? |
| 23:34.15 | jaem | How is liqbase development going, then? I haven't seen new packages in ages. |
| 23:34.26 | ieatlint | and a qt application that will nicely format id cards from north america and credit cards... and just need to work out this pulseaudio in qt thing to have it all nice and functional |
| 23:34.28 | lcuk | thats because i have been busy for ages |
| 23:34.42 | jaem | lcuk: Yeah, understandable. |
| 23:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | claiming changing a 9 to a 1 from *my* original post would constitute a script written by the author??? |
| 23:34.56 | jaem | I wasn't complaining - just expressing excitement over the project. |
| 23:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: please eat it |
| 23:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | >:-(( |
| 23:35.27 | lcuk | :D indeed, ive been fixing bugs and trying to do some reorganisation |
| 23:35.47 | jaem | lcuk: Well, if you need people to break their phones testing it, please let me know! |
| 23:36.20 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ??? |
| 23:36.23 | lcuk | heh will do! |
| 23:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: WTF?! |
| 23:36.59 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: first I've ever heard of electranox |
| 23:37.06 | luke-jr | how is he a cheater? |
| 23:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | pffffrt |
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| 23:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | click on "script from forum" link on electranox |
| 23:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-10 13:41:13] <DocScrutinizer> elektranox: bitte vergleiche https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html >>Pancake wrote a script to charge the battery without this daemon based on information from the public available specs and the not working script from forum.<< mit http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278, und finde bitte eine etwas mehr den tatsachen entsprechende formulierung |
| 23:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | he didn't react on that polite request to correct the wording. He's a cheater |
| 23:40.10 | Arkenoi | what is recommended djvu reader (if any)? |
| 23:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | please also note posting date of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=658278&postcount=861 |
| 23:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | aka http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 |
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| 23:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | pissed and off for some other appliances to kick around the room |
| 23:43.54 | luke-jr | does ofono have any *real* documentation? |
| 23:44.27 | jaem | DocScrutinizer: do you have a large, solid wood cabinet? |
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| 23:45.51 | lpotter | luke-jr: in the ofono source tree under doc/ |
| 23:46.43 | luke-jr | lpotter: none of the dbus commands it talks about exist |
| 23:47.05 | lpotter | luke-jr: are you using phonesim? |
| 23:47.07 | luke-jr | oh, apparently because it says I have no modems |
| 23:47.11 | luke-jr | wtf is phonesim |
| 23:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | btw the diff between status 0x90 and status 0x10 is exactly D+/- short detection which is handled in musb_core.c |
| 23:47.22 | lpotter | :) phone simulator. |
| 23:47.39 | luke-jr | no? |
| 23:47.42 | luke-jr | I don't want no simulator crap |
| 23:48.14 | lpotter | is there a modem present? |
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| 23:48.59 | luke-jr | lpotter: it's a N900 |
| 23:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | and he claims somebody has WRITTEN a script based on some arbitrary info found elsewhere - while in fact he changed ONE CHAR of my original draft, ***as suggested by script**: "charging fimished, status: 0x10" |
| 23:49.00 | asj | "Waiter, only real crap for luke-jr please" |
| 23:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | *** |
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| 23:49.49 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so you wrote it, not the guy he credits? |
| 23:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: well it took a while, probably due to my fuzzy explanations, but YES!!! |
| 23:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | you got it |
| 23:50.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that's not cheating |
| 23:50.42 | luke-jr | it's plagerism and copyright infringement |
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| 23:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | asking him to correct it and he ignores is worse than cheating though |
| 23:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | dunno the right english word |
| 23:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | off before channel discipline suffers |
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| 23:53.22 | luke-jr | lpotter: .. |
| 23:55.10 | lpotter | luke-jr: is maemo running? not sure how ofono does with the maemo modem stuff |
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| 23:56.24 | luke-jr | lpotter: Maemo is running in a different root |
| 23:57.28 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 23:57.38 | luke-jr | I can't find docs on how to setup gprs0 via ofono.. |
| 23:57.47 | luke-jr | nm, duh |
