| 00:00.19 | ShadowJK | only a few hundred metres of humid air between supposed miniscule fusion and you with detector? :P |
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| 00:05.07 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, I want that tesla thing running via USB on the N900 |
| 00:05.10 | MohammadAG | kthxbye |
| 00:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure. I'll not try to detect the neutrons by myself. Just trying to learn more |
| 00:05.25 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, yeah |
| 00:05.46 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, I wonder how much those guys want to perform? :) |
| 00:06.13 | MohammadAG | lol probably not much :P |
| 00:06.45 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, you can do it yourself, if you have the coil :P |
| 00:06.55 | LiraNuna | we need something like this |
| 00:06.55 | LiraNuna | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/graffiti-for-android-scribbles-palm-os-memories-all-over-google/ |
| 00:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | burps |
| 00:08.26 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, I'm not an artist |
| 00:08.54 | cehteh | huh strange since earlier today i have a weird led blink pattern sometimes (i didnt edited mce.init) |
| 00:09.05 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, no one is born an artist :P |
| 00:09.26 | cehteh | sawtooth full white dimming a bit going full white again |
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| 00:10.19 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, OK, let's put it this way: I think the cost of one performance from these guys is less than the cost of building my own tesla coils complete with aparatus for modulation and midi control |
| 00:10.21 | cehteh | no idea whats causing it |
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| 00:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: strange |
| 00:13.46 | ShadowJK | never seen that |
| 00:13.56 | cehteh | guess i just reboot |
| 00:14.10 | cehteh | i have no such pattern in mce.ini |
| 00:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | suggests testing all available patterns that claim to be white (rgb), via dbus-send |
| 00:14.46 | cehteh | i know my patterns |
| 00:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 00:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | so somebody hacked your LP5523? :-P |
| 00:15.45 | cehteh | is it smbus? |
| 00:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | I2C |
| 00:16.18 | cehteh | rather suspects a mce hickup |
| 00:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | mce IS a hickup |
| 00:16.31 | ShadowJK | i2c...smbus.. |
| 00:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | yea |
| 00:18.14 | cehteh | ok rebooted, lets see if that happens again |
| 00:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | and btw there might be leftovers from e.g NOLO inside LP5523, if mce 'forgets' to init it again |
| 00:18.50 | cehteh | or some race when it pushes a new pattern |
| 00:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | could easily be a repeated powerup scheme |
| 00:20.11 | hno | how do you test a pattern with dbus-send? |
| 00:20.15 | cehteh | or my device starts to become self aware and wants to send me a message :) |
| 00:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | curses lp5523 driver for not reading out progarm area of the chip |
| 00:20.29 | cehteh | you can test them in xchat too :P |
| 00:20.39 | cehteh | with my plugin one can test all patterns :) |
| 00:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | curses cehteh for xchat LED abuse and missing GUI for doing /notify_mode -L |
| 00:22.00 | cehteh | hehe |
| 00:22.10 | cehteh | send patches |
| 00:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | pissed me off for days now, until ShadowJK told me the 'trick' - WTF! |
| 00:22.54 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 00:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | patch on patch: s/+/-/ |
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| 00:23.15 | cehteh | it has a config file and buildin help |
| 00:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | pff buildin help - I see, I see |
| 00:24.06 | cehteh | and last i added configureable defaults for a packager |
| 00:24.28 | cehteh | guess youll never be happy |
| 00:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | fact is: I copied over *ALL* .xchat2/* to new machine, after installing xchat, and it acted up on me |
| 00:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( |
| 00:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | I simply do not want new options enabled by default, on a app update. Esp if there's no obvious simple way to deal with them |
| 00:26.44 | cehteh | :P |
| 00:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | really got angry on that flashing blue all day long, and even more after going thru all possible config option in setup, just to learn I wasted an hour of my time for nuttin |
| 00:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | base^('I knew it' factor) |
| 00:31.21 | cehteh | you just didnt rtfm |
| 00:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | ftfm |
| 00:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't be bothered to rtfm for an "update" I was *forced* to install, after I knew for month I don't like it and refused it until there was no other option. Hell I *know* TFM |
| 00:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | and still nobody cares to make a xchat+pythonplugin available, though that would be really an alternatve worth to get a second package, while that LED 'shit' just needed a correct default setup |
| 00:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | Imean, I don't care if you ship a xchat.cfg with that version that has LED enabled. But WTF I used my old nice config and it gave me LED. that's WRONG |
| 00:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely wrong |
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| 00:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | best joke on that topic: even RST38h got issues with blue blinking LED lately |
| 00:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | which he couldn't figure where they come from |
| 00:41.15 | ShadowJK | the settings are not in the fm. |
| 00:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | fm? |
| 00:41.33 | ShadowJK | fine manual |
| 00:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | LOL!! |
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| 00:42.01 | ShadowJK | You would only know it had you followed the xchat on N900 thread on tmo. :) |
| 00:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | feeds a megaton of RTFM to cehteh |
| 00:43.02 | ShadowJK | It's a wonderful feature, but I got so pissed off at it never doing what I wanted, so many times, that the command for controlling it was ethced into my brain |
| 00:43.07 | ShadowJK | learning through pain |
| 00:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | great! xchat masochist edition |
| 00:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, no new feature must ever default to on, when config is missing in configfile |
| 00:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | except *explicit* bugfixes maybe |
| 00:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | and even then it's questionable |
| 00:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | as you might have installed your own fix that collides |
| 00:46.23 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 00:46.24 | ShadowJK | On the other hand, xchat plugins are pretty masochist to begin with |
| 00:46.24 | ShadowJK | in the not-first version, the popup maemo dialog and stuff was disabled by default, iirc :) |
| 00:48.10 | Macer | just install irssi |
| 00:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | well I wonder why we got such crap like "flash icon in systray" in preferences GUI (which afaikt is completely null function), and otoh the LED which I'd consider a valid replacement isn't controllable at all via prefs GUI |
| 00:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: eat your irssi |
| 00:48.52 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: :) |
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| 00:49.13 | ShadowJK | the systray thing worked on N810 and might work on N900 if one installs that notification area thingy :/ |
| 00:49.40 | Macer | haha |
| 00:49.51 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: sorry. just grew fond of irssi |
| 00:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | aah, fait enough. Wasn't aware there's such thingy |
| 00:50.12 | Macer | once everything is set up correctly it works greater than anything else i've ever tried |
| 00:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | fair* |
| 00:50.19 | Macer | just don't get all the pointy clicky stuff |
| 00:50.54 | ShadowJK | I use xchat as an interface to irssi's proxy module |
| 00:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | well I never will accidentally answer in wrong channel anyway, when using xchat |
| 00:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | anyway |
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| 00:51.38 | ShadowJK | Not sure how to do that in irssi either :-) |
| 00:52.07 | ShadowJK | it just seems to do sensible things on itself, like creating a new window for each new channel |
| 00:52.39 | Macer | heh |
| 00:52.49 | ShadowJK | But then again my expectations are probably somewhat low. I got introduced to CLI IRC clients with ircII-epic :-( |
| 00:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | I never gave irssi a try, as on terminal I do terminal stuff, not chat. In reverse conclusion I don't need a terminal in my irc client :-P |
| 00:53.28 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. i'm a big fan of running it on my shell box at home and running screen and sshing to it |
| 00:53.42 | Macer | i guess it is just one of those things that just stuck ;) |
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| 00:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | it's as clumsy as can get. I'm using a bouncer as that's the right way to deal with that |
| 00:54.24 | Macer | heh |
| 00:54.34 | Macer | well.. the bouncer is still dependent on you being connected to it |
| 00:54.37 | ShadowJK | irssi is my bouncer :) |
| 00:54.42 | Macer | ShadowJK: haha |
| 00:54.51 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no wai, Quassel! |
| 00:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: ooh so screen isn't? |
| 00:55.20 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i just meant that if you are not connected to the bouncer you will be disconnected from irc ;) |
| 00:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope I won't |
| 00:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | that's the point of a bouncer |
| 00:55.41 | luke-jr | Macer: fail |
| 00:55.54 | Macer | i thought bouncers did just that |
| 00:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, except buffer playback of course |
| 00:56.03 | Macer | bounced you off another box to the ircd |
| 00:56.06 | ShadowJK | I remember trying to collaborate with someone at university, the computer halls were so full he only found a free computer in another room. It was pretty painful to use chat (I think that was it?) :( |
| 00:56.07 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: er |
| 00:56.23 | Macer | that is what i meant |
| 00:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | what? |
| 00:56.43 | Macer | nm |
| 00:56.44 | Macer | :) |
| 00:56.48 | Macer | happy bouncing |
| 00:56.54 | luke-jr | Quassel wins. |
| 00:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: client or bouncer? |
| 00:57.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the line is blurry |
| 00:57.19 | luke-jr | :D |
| 00:57.40 | luke-jr | Quassel is a client, but it has 2 processes |
| 00:57.44 | luke-jr | which don't need to be on the same system |
| 00:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 00:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | sounds interesting |
| 00:58.17 | luke-jr | basically a proprietary bouncer + proprietary-protocol client |
| 00:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:58.26 | luke-jr | but it does much more than a bouncer |
| 00:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | got that |
| 00:58.35 | luke-jr | sane scrollback, and such |
| 00:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | sounds nice |
| 01:01.56 | ShadowJK | please elaborate "sane scrollback" |
| 01:02.17 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it looks just like any other GUI client if you never disconnected |
| 01:02.32 | ShadowJK | sure |
| 01:02.45 | luke-jr | including timestamps, etc |
| 01:02.50 | luke-jr | oh, and IIRC the scrollback is infinite |
| 01:02.55 | luke-jr | even if you restart the bouncer-part |
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| 01:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | should, if the bouncer keeps proper logs |
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| 01:03.44 | luke-jr | it doesn't |
| 01:03.46 | luke-jr | it has a db |
| 01:04.03 | lcuk | luke-jr, worst thing about scrollback which is visible after reconnecting.. |
| 01:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | nice standard timestamps are a real advantage though |
| 01:04.13 | lcuk | on my 900 xchat shows historical |
| 01:04.24 | lcuk | and i sometimes ponder answering some things |
| 01:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | buffer playback over standard irc prot from bouncer to client always has the issue with two timestamps |
| 01:05.16 | luke-jr | I've never seen anyone/client/bouncer/server actually USE the standard IRC port |
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| 04:20.28 | ppman | this is frustrating |
| 04:20.35 | ppman | I had a dummy connection before |
| 04:20.47 | ppman | but I deleted it, thinking it was from the previous owner |
| 04:21.01 | ppman | so now I'm lost - how do I get it back? |
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| 04:35.50 | TermanaN900 | yello |
| 04:36.15 | ppman | hiya |
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| 04:45.35 | ppman | nobody can help me with maemo-pan? |
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| 04:50.52 | yigal | wow man that's cool you're old school with n8x0 |
| 04:51.03 | ppman | I just bought it |
| 04:51.09 | yigal | good to hear |
| 04:51.41 | ppman | n900 is small, plus it's not 3g compatible with AT&T |
| 04:51.45 | ppman | so it's not an option |
| 04:51.45 | yigal | the right size screen, just a tad under powered |
| 04:51.55 | yigal | n8x0 for you |
| 04:52.30 | yigal | I purchased the n900 after waiting 6 months for something better |
| 04:52.33 | ppman | I can do wifi sharing through my phone, but that wastes power like crazy |
| 04:52.45 | yigal | ya, bluetooth is the only way |
| 04:52.49 | ppman | so if PAN support works, it'll be a great device for me |
| 04:52.59 | yigal | ppman: it depends on your phone |
| 04:53.05 | ppman | touch pro |
| 04:53.06 | yigal | what is it? |
| 04:53.07 | ppman | winmo |
| 04:53.10 | yigal | right |
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| 04:53.40 | yigal | have there been any cases of tpro working with a nit? |
| 04:53.53 | ppman | is the n810 supposed to list PAN in the supported profiles? |
| 04:54.21 | ppman | touch pro is the same software-wise as every other winmo phone, really.. |
| 04:54.29 | ppman | same exact stack on very similar hardware |
| 04:55.00 | ppman | I even had the "DUMMY" connection - it irks me that I killed it |
| 04:55.23 | yigal | just started to read http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=24801 |
| 04:56.20 | ppman | I don't think the DUN hack still works for wm6.5 |
| 04:56.26 | yigal | ah |
| 04:56.27 | yigal | ok |
| 04:56.28 | ppman | and that's sub-optimal anyway |
| 04:56.52 | ppman | does the n810 need to see that the device supports PAN? |
| 04:57.28 | yigal | ppman: ya, I don't know the internals I'm afraid |
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| 04:58.55 | yigal | ppman: this seems like a leed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411520 |
| 05:00.28 | ppman | nmp |
| 05:00.33 | ppman | they pair just fine |
| 05:00.45 | ppman | I've paried about 50 times today, trying to get this to work |
| 05:01.10 | yigal | ya good luck, I'm sorry I can't help you more |
| 05:08.48 | yigal | ppman: which other WinMo phones work with n810? |
| 05:08.57 | yigal | many? |
| 05:09.07 | ppman | I see a lot of refence to the dash, at least |
| 05:09.15 | ppman | might have been some luck with kaiser.. |
| 05:09.26 | ppman | I think most people with success don't talk about it ;) |
| 05:09.56 | ppman | so according to this link, maemo-pan should make a new type of connection? |
| 05:09.58 | ppman | not so |
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| 05:12.43 | ppman | does it matter which maemo version I have? |
| 05:12.54 | ppman | I may be dumb, but I think I have maemo 5 on here.. |
| 05:14.32 | yigal | you have Diablo, 4 |
| 05:14.34 | ppman | okay, so I don't.. |
| 05:14.40 | ppman | but I have a confusing version string |
| 05:15.25 | ppman | version 5.2008.43-7 |
| 05:15.46 | yigal | ppman: what is the advantage of DUN over PAN? |
| 05:16.00 | ppman | nothing |
| 05:16.23 | yigal | just that tp or at&t doesn't support DUN |
| 05:16.23 | ppman | apparently, you might be able to make calls over it, but for networking, PAN is infinitely better |
| 05:16.40 | ppman | winmo dropped DUN support |
| 05:16.55 | ppman | officially, they haven't and "it's the supplier's fault", but really |
| 05:17.01 | ppman | winmo -> no dun. |
| 05:17.35 | ppman | and ICS over usb has worked for a long time. |
| 05:17.56 | ppman | I don't have much bluetooth hardware, so never really tried PAN. |
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| 05:19.53 | yigal | sorry that bt isn't working well for you it can really be nice |
| 05:23.27 | yigal | ppman: it's a weird naming convention, [4-5].2008.xy-z the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo, shows yours as a part, the last official release, of Diablo |
| 05:24.00 | ppman | so I'm at latest? good. |
| 05:24.03 | yigal | for instance the n900's latest OS is 10.2010.19-1 |
| 05:25.25 | yigal | ppman: there is work being done to use Freemantle work on the n8x0 I'm not sure what's become of this work. Have you installed telescope? |
| 05:25.38 | ppman | telescope? |
| 05:25.43 | yigal | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50689 |
| 05:25.47 | ppman | and I don't want fremantle apparently, |
| 05:26.03 | ppman | and people have trouble with maemo-pan and diablo anyway.. |
| 05:26.11 | yigal | no, but it is the current Maemo OS |
| 05:26.16 | yigal | Freemantle that is |
| 05:26.42 | yigal | so you're sure it isn't your carrier doing something nasty |
| 05:26.49 | ppman | people were saying a while ago that n810 hardware is missing things fremantle needs |
| 05:26.58 | ppman | absolutely sure |
| 05:27.08 | ppman | I've got a new rom on the device |
| 05:27.22 | ppman | so, they're doing nothing in software, |
| 05:27.29 | ppman | and I've used ICS before over usb, |
| 05:27.37 | ppman | so no network limitations either |
| 05:28.08 | yigal | perhaps attempt to use a friends phone that should work |
| 05:28.39 | ppman | I'm sure DUN will work... |
| 05:28.48 | ppman | I just can't figure out how to make a PAN connection |
| 05:28.54 | yigal | the n810 is really a beautiful looking device |
| 05:28.57 | ppman | so any PAN phone will give me troublew |
| 05:30.12 | yigal | ppman: so you've tethered your tp with a bt enabled laptop/desktop? |
| 05:30.41 | ppman | no, not yet - I will try when I get a hold of one, |
| 05:30.53 | ppman | it uses the same software to do usb, though |
| 05:31.01 | ppman | and I can't get a pan connection |
| 05:32.37 | ppman | also, what happened to a maemo version starting with E? |
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| 05:38.28 | ppman | oh wow, think I got it |
| 05:38.57 | ppman | bottom of bug 3306 tells how to make the dummy connection again if you've lost it |
| 05:38.57 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 DUMMY connections not visible in Select connection dialog |
| 05:39.12 | ppman | and that seems to have connected |
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| 05:39.41 | toggles_w | luke-jr: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sci-calculators/units ebuild: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sci-calculators/units/units-1.88.ebuild |
| 05:39.54 | luke-jr | toggles_w: neither are source repositories |
| 05:40.11 | toggles_w | the ebuild points you to ftp.gnu.org |
| 05:40.27 | ppman | aw, well it thinks it has connected.. |
| 05:40.36 | toggles_w | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/ |
| 05:40.55 | ppman | it got a 169. address, and can't connect to anything, |
| 05:41.03 | ppman | but at least it thinks it made a pan connection |
| 05:42.17 | luke-jr | toggles_w: FTP != source repository |
| 05:45.52 | toggles_w | fair enough, figured you'd patch it for gentoo then email the maintainer... but you could try this http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=units |
| 05:46.27 | ppman | bah, getting far too late - I will bother with this tomorrow. |
| 05:46.39 | luke-jr | toggles_w: wtf? who uses CVS anymore |
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| 05:48.14 | toggles_w | lol, if it's too hard just say so |
| 05:49.07 | luke-jr | it is |
| 05:49.16 | luke-jr | Unicode doesn't even define the symbols required |
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| 05:53.52 | ian_r | hi all |
| 05:54.46 | ian_r | just promoted the okuda theme to extras-testing, so please test and vote if you have time. |
| 05:55.05 | ian_r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=755472 |
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| 07:02.30 | ilius | how to find my mac address in N900? |
| 07:02.49 | ilius | there is no command ifconfig |
| 07:04.05 | PolarFox | it's /sbin/ifconfig |
| 07:04.14 | ilius | oh yes |
| 07:04.15 | ilius | ok |
| 07:04.26 | PolarFox | sbin is not in the $PATH /me thinks |
| 07:04.38 | sheepbat | it probably is for superuser |
| 07:05.30 | PolarFox | yeah... you are right. |
| 07:20.00 | Trizt | the System/Settings/About application shows the MAC too |
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| 08:26.26 | Macer | finally! |
| 08:26.30 | Macer | DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Source countries: CN,TW |
| 08:26.33 | Macer | :) |
| 08:26.36 | Macer | die china die |
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| 08:27.14 | jaem | 'Morning |
| 08:27.21 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 08:28.04 | jaem | Ville Vainio of Forum Nokia is haunting my computer. |
| 08:28.42 | jaem | I started playing a video demo of something by him, and killing Firefox won't stop his voice. O_o |
| 08:28.42 | Stskeeps | excellent |
| 08:28.45 | swc|666 | Macer, now drop AFRNIC and your golden ;) |
| 08:28.46 | jaem | Stupid Flash |
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| 08:29.19 | jaem | Seriously, what the heck? |
| 08:29.43 | jaem | Gah... stupid nspluginwrapper. |
| 08:29.48 | jaem | shakes his fist at Adobe |
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| 08:37.34 | Macer | haha |
| 08:37.43 | Macer | afrnic? |
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| 08:37.45 | timeless_mbp | jaem: err |
| 08:37.55 | timeless_mbp | don't blame flash for a stupid app |
| 08:38.07 | timeless_mbp | that's a bug in nspluginwrapper |
| 08:38.11 | timeless_mbp | which is a third party pos |
| 08:38.21 | timeless_mbp | why are you using nspluginwrapper btw? |
| 08:38.39 | timeless_mbp | (what version of firefox, 64bit? which version of flash? 64bit?) |
| 08:39.00 | jaem | timeless_mbp: I know that. I was blaming Adobe for dropping 64-bit Linux Flash support instead of patching the security bug like they did for all the other platforms. |
| 08:39.23 | jaem | I either use 32-bit via nspluginwrapper, or I use the last released 64-bit build, which is insecure. |
| 08:39.43 | jaem | timeless_mbp: any other options? I'd try them gladly. |
| 08:39.47 | timeless_mbp | if you use 32bit ff4beta + 32bit flash |
| 08:39.50 | timeless_mbp | you don't need pluginwrapper |
| 08:39.55 | timeless_mbp | and you get out of process flash |
| 08:40.00 | jaem | Hmm... that's a thought, actually. |
| 08:40.04 | jaem | will try that. |
| 08:40.26 | timeless_mbp | make sure you aren't using nspluginwrapper when you do it |
| 08:40.46 | jaem | Heh, no, definitely not. |
| 08:43.39 | jaem | On the other hand, this looks shiny |
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| 08:44.04 | jaem | was seduced away from non-broken Flash by the beckoning glow of the FF4b-pgo build |
| 08:45.45 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 08:47.26 | Macer | DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Source countries: AF,CN,HK,KP,KR,PK,VN,TW |
| 08:47.31 | Macer | weeeee! |
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| 08:48.40 | jaem | Stskeeps: I think I asked this on here before, but if I wanted to get an install running on the N810 without X, and with working networking and reasonable power management, could I do that without lots of pain? |
| 08:49.19 | Stskeeps | will answer after breakfast |
| 08:49.43 | jaem | Stskeeps: Fair enough. :) |
| 08:49.51 | Macer | jaem: talk to luke-jr .. he has gentoo |
| 08:49.53 | Macer | :) |
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| 08:50.15 | jaem | Macer: right, yeah... I might have to go with that. |
| 08:50.36 | Macer | not sure how well he has the power thing working out but i know he had gentoo running fairly well on it |
| 08:50.44 | Macer | maybe a few glitches but worked well enough |
| 08:51.27 | jaem | I want to look into connecting the N810 to a wristwatch, but I don't need anything fancy... like X. |
| 08:51.52 | slonopotamus | jaem: just strip off stuff X stuff from maemo? |
| 08:55.34 | jaem | slonopotamus: That was my first thought. I would be fine with a basic console. What I wasn't sure about was how easy it was to fiddle with wifi from the command line on Diablo. |
| 08:57.28 | slonopotamus | jaem: well, you can try that _before_ killing X :) |
| 08:57.42 | jaem | slonopotamus: yes indeed. |
| 08:57.47 | jaem | But where's the fun in that? ;) |
| 08:58.45 | slonopotamus | jaem: if you want fun, try gentoo :) i use wpa_supplicant in it for wifi |
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| 08:59.32 | jaem | slonopotamus: I think that would be best. I've never used Gentoo on the desktop, so I wasn't sure about diving in on the N810. I probably will, when I have time. |
| 08:59.34 | jaem | Thanks. |
| 09:00.03 | jaem | The watch won't ship for a while anyway. |
| 09:00.54 | slonopotamus | jaem: well, building packages on n810 isn't very fast :) |
| 09:02.17 | slonopotamus | jaem: afaik, there's also ubuntu for n8x0 so you can use it without X too (and i'm sure it has sane commandline wifi tools) |
| 09:02.41 | jaem | Right, I assume you're talking about b-man's build? |
| 09:02.42 | slonopotamus | jaem: and it should be easier for you to use than gentoo. |
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| 09:02.54 | slonopotamus | maybe :) |
| 09:04.13 | slonopotamus | jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735 yep, b-man |
| 09:04.24 | jaem | thanks for the link |
| 09:04.24 | RST38h | yawns |
| 09:04.28 | RST38h | Gentoo? What Gentoo? |
| 09:04.35 | jaem | RST38h: it went that way -> |
| 09:05.16 | slonopotamus | err, wut? b-man claims he doesn't have sound working |
| 09:05.33 | jaem | slonopotamus: He didn't, at one point. I thought he fixed it, though |
| 09:06.46 | slonopotamus | jaem: maybe that post is outdated. though google doesn't give me anything newer |
| 09:07.07 | jaem | I'm not sure - I haven't looked at it in quite a while |
| 09:07.53 | slonopotamus | jaem: how are you goint to use n810 with a watch? (just curious) |
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| 09:08.23 | jaem | slonopotamus: It's currently hypothetical, as I don't have my hands on the hardware. I'm hoping it will work... |
| 09:08.40 | jaem | slonopotamus: It's this watch: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos |
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| 09:12.02 | jaem | slonopotamus: what do you think? |
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| 09:16.04 | slonopotamus_ | jaem: i don't know what is your usecase |
| 09:16.11 | Stskeeps | jaem: for minimal usage, either gentoo or meego |
| 09:17.48 | jaem | Stskeeps: Alrighty. |
| 09:18.03 | Stskeeps | we don't have wifi in meego yet. |
| 09:18.06 | jaem | slonopotamus_: Just experimenting with it to being with. |
| 09:19.07 | jaem | Stskeeps: Meh... I should install it anyway, to follow development. I've been out of the loop because I didn't have a device with MeeGo installed. That will motivate me. :) |
| 09:19.29 | Macer | jaem: what are you going to do with that watch? |
| 09:20.10 | Macer | build meego for it? :) |
| 09:20.13 | Macer | heh. that would be neet |
| 09:20.19 | jaem | Macer: Sadly, no. It's only 16-bit |
| 09:20.36 | jaem | Not to mention the 32KB Flash/4KB RAM. |
| 09:20.45 | Macer | ouch |
| 09:20.53 | jaem | It still looks quite interesting, though, and I am a gadget-lover. |
| 09:21.02 | Macer | there isn't a stronger watch? |
| 09:21.14 | jaem | Macer: Probably, but this one is cheap and hackable. |
| 09:21.29 | Macer | :) well. i meant a cheap hackable watch that is stronger |
| 09:21.32 | jaem | There was a watch from someone (Fossil?) that ran PalmOS, IIRC, but it was expensive. |
| 09:21.36 | jaem | Macer: Stronger==? |
| 09:21.49 | jaem | More powerful? No, probably not. |
| 09:22.16 | jaem | This one is $50, and there is an Open Source firmware project for it, apart from the ability to make your own full-custom FW. |
| 09:22.53 | Macer | http://www.freeos.com/articles/3800 |
| 09:22.59 | RST38h | PalmOS only requires 68020 |
| 09:23.08 | jaem | Macer: yep, that never got out of the lab, unfortunately. |
| 09:23.19 | Macer | that sucks :) |
| 09:23.23 | RST38h | You want a proper ARM watch, the one using MTK chipset |
| 09:23.25 | Macer | that thing looks awesome |
| 09:23.47 | RST38h | Of course, good luck finding any info on programming that chipset |
| 09:24.03 | jaem | RST38h: which watch are you thinking of, out of curiousity? |
| 09:24.21 | RST38h | jaem: Any of so called "Chinese cell phoen watches" |
| 09:25.04 | jaem | Oh, those. Yeah, well, I wouldn't trust most of those. |
| 09:25.16 | jaem | Gah, I neeed to go to bed. |
| 09:25.18 | jaem | G'night, all. |
| 09:25.40 | jaem | ...oh, that's why it's abnormally warm - I'm compiling |
| 09:25.41 | jaem | Huh |
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| 09:28.38 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Wrist-PDA-Palm-OS/dp/B00009QR9X |
| 09:28.44 | Macer | unavailable |
| 09:28.51 | Macer | but you can get the palm sdk :) heh |
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| 09:30.48 | Macer | http://www.gumstix.com/ |
| 09:30.50 | Macer | hm |
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| 09:34.15 | RST38h | Macer: it is literally a fossil now |
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| 09:35.04 | Macer | yeah i guess you're right |
| 09:35.05 | Macer | ;) |
| 09:35.14 | Macer | but maybe someone can get something going on it heh |
| 09:35.18 | Macer | maybe doubtful |
| 09:35.22 | Macer | but it's a watch |
| 09:35.31 | Macer | what can you expect. although you would think this day and age... |
| 09:35.54 | Macer | a cell phone watch / mp3 player / video player / email reader / etc would be a viable thing |
| 09:36.15 | Macer | i suppose someone can throw the time of the day in there somewhere too ;) |
| 09:39.31 | RST38h | Get yourself a Chinese watch |
| 09:39.36 | RST38h | Ask Arkenoi how. |
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| 10:03.03 | kerio | hmm... does flashlight-applet block the red recording led somehow? |
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| 10:03.19 | alterego | kerio: werent you talking about this yesterday? :P |
| 10:03.31 | kerio | yeah |
| 10:03.36 | kerio | then i went to sleep |
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| 10:03.45 | kerio | for like 10 hours |
| 10:03.47 | alterego | kerio: I think the flashlight applet stops the red led and gstreamer from using the camera. |
| 10:03.53 | kerio | god i love vacation |
| 10:03.58 | alterego | Hence why the camui crashes .. |
| 10:04.11 | kerio | alterego: no, even without the applet enabled |
| 10:04.30 | alterego | Oh |
| 10:04.33 | alterego | I'll check. |
| 10:05.13 | alterego | Still works for me. |
| 10:05.28 | kerio | :/ |
| 10:05.28 | alterego | (recording video) I just blinded my self with the flash trying to take a photograph |
| 10:05.49 | alterego | Have you tried uninstalling it? :) |
| 10:06.10 | alterego | But tbh, when it's not actually "on" it shouldn't have any adverse effect on the lights/camui |
| 10:06.39 | kerio | then... wtf |
| 10:06.51 | kerio | my red led is broken D: |
| 10:07.52 | alterego | Have you tried uninstalling it? |
| 10:08.01 | alterego | How have you been testing the red led? |
| 10:08.14 | kerio | alterego: record a video |
| 10:08.20 | alterego | Hrm, yeah. |
| 10:08.31 | TermanaN900 | alterego, yesterday he said he never noticed it ever :P |
| 10:09.03 | kerio | does the kernel-power disable it? |
| 10:09.13 | kerio | that's the other possible explanation |
| 10:10.03 | Macer | i want to see a documentary about the nazis that isn't biased |
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| 10:12.34 | Galdor2 | maemo |
| 10:12.38 | kerio | maemo? |
| 10:12.39 | alterego | What's "kernel-power"? |
| 10:12.41 | alterego | # |
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| 10:12.57 | alterego | kerio: I think you should flash your phone and check to see if your LED works under normal circumstances. |
| 10:13.25 | kerio | alterego: the epic kernel in the repos |
| 10:13.32 | Galdor2 | maemo |
| 10:13.44 | kerio | Galdor2: maemo! |
| 10:13.54 | Galdor2 | yes. but why? |
| 10:14.07 | kerio | "why" what? |
| 10:14.16 | alterego | kerio: Oh, the "Power Users Kernel"? |
| 10:14.18 | alterego | :P |
| 10:14.45 | Galdor2 | kerio: why maemo? |
| 10:14.45 | kerio | alterego: i refuse to call packages by their display name |
| 10:14.46 | alterego | I suppose it's possible that would interfere, I'm suprised no one else has not noticed it if that's the case. Have you asked someone else that uses that kernel? |
| 10:15.07 | kerio | it's a kernel that also allows overclocking |
| 10:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
| 10:15.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer will kick me |
| 10:15.22 | Galdor2 | kerio: maemo |
| 10:15.23 | kerio | :D |
| 10:15.55 | TermanaN900 | hello DocScrutinizer |
| 10:15.56 | kerio | Galdor2: ask nokia |
| 10:15.57 | Galdor2 | do you concur? |
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| 10:19.07 | kerio | i concur |
| 10:19.16 | Galdor2 | why |
| 10:19.19 | kerio | kernel-power doesn't talk about red leds |
| 10:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: hard. Maybe watch films not at all about NS, like "Lord of theFlies" or "The Experiment" |
| 10:19.48 | kerio | Macer: inglorious basterds |
| 10:19.57 | Galdor2 | maemo |
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| 10:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: lol, not biased? |
| 10:20.24 | Galdor2 | why not |
| 10:20.41 | alterego | kerio: doesn't mean it wont break it :P |
| 10:20.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it overwraps the biasedness |
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| 10:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, like watching Mel Brooks Lord Helmet and his troops, for telling the future |
| 10:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~trout kerio |
| 10:25.54 | infobot | ACTION slaps kerio around a bit with a large trout! |
| 10:26.44 | alterego | The power kernel should constantly show the red led just so you know you're living dangerously :P |
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| 10:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 10:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | *nod* |
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| 10:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: could I talk you into running lfocus python (the few relevant lines) and see what's happening to the red led? |
| 10:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | or wait, just install the app lfocus (however useless it may be) and just try to switch on and off white LED and red LED |
| 10:32.40 | kerio | will do |
| 10:36.16 | kerio | doesn't work :( |
| 10:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | you checked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46427 ? |
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| 10:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: doesn't work means what? lfocus doesn't install? or you feel like it doesn't do anything like advertised? or it actually can switch e.g. white video light on, just your red LED is like broken? |
| 10:40.35 | kerio | the white led flashes, the red one soesn't |
| 10:40.38 | kerio | doesn't |
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| 10:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | white LED : should turn on like torch-flashlight, when you're recording video and do the q-w on-off hwkbd switching |
| 10:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | I first had to enable hw-kbd in systray menu iirc |
| 10:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | lo crashanddie |
| 10:43.30 | kerio | the white one works fine |
| 10:43.45 | kerio | and really, i don't care about the red one |
| 10:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but does lfocus work with the white LED? |
| 10:44.27 | kerio | i see it flashing when i tap the button in the lfocus menu |
| 10:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: see, I also don't care about *your* red led. But it's all about learning here, to find out what's up with that bugger |
| 10:45.28 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | morning Jaffa - long time no see |
| 10:45.57 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Busy days :-( |
| 10:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | beter than boring days |
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| 10:48.41 | kerio | it works properly with the white led |
| 10:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | and not at all with the red one? |
| 10:49.07 | Macer | kerio: that's not a documentary ;) |
| 10:49.31 | Macer | i didn't watch much of it when i did see it. i only got to the part where ze german killed the family under the floorboards |
| 10:49.38 | Macer | i'm watching consipracy now |
| 10:50.02 | Macer | it is amazing how ... easily they made this decision |
| 10:50.06 | Macer | i'm reading hte minutes now :) |
| 10:51.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nope |
| 10:51.45 | kerio | -vOv- |
| 10:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: so odds are your hw is actually broken. hmm |
| 10:52.31 | kerio | :( |
| 10:52.36 | kerio | should i care? |
| 10:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 10:52.49 | kerio | i mean, what's the red light used for? |
| 10:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | if you like a lightswap for a new motherboard, then this would be an opportunity |
| 10:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: nothing inportant really |
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| 10:55.05 | kerio | a swap for what? |
| 10:55.05 | MohammadAG51 | wow, i fire up xchat and users net split |
| 10:55.06 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ping |
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| 10:55.36 | kerio | MohammadAG51: it's all your fault! |
| 10:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: my keyboard splits as soons as you log in!! |
| 10:56.13 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it respects me |
| 10:56.20 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, I know :( |
| 10:57.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i guess i can reflash it to test it properly... |
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| 10:57.53 | kerio | is there a way to make a complete dump i can restore with the flasher? |
| 10:58.17 | MohammadAG51 | there's a bootmenu entry someone made |
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| 11:00.46 | kerio | MohammadAG51: to make a 1:1 backup? |
| 11:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: most wanted feature (complete image) that seems nobody has achieved yet |
| 11:02.45 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've tried to x-ray that phone |
| 11:02.55 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: with proper inspection x-ray |
| 11:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it was both fun and useless |
| 11:03.32 | jacekowski | and bloke that was doing it for me said that it would work with higher energy |
| 11:03.39 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, afaik it uses dd |
| 11:03.42 | MohammadAG51 | so yes |
| 11:03.48 | jacekowski | but at energy required to get usefull results it would wipe flash as well |
| 11:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 11:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: where's my beer you owe me? |
| 11:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | iirc you failed epically on flashing an image created with dd |
| 11:05.32 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, dd failed to create a proper dd |
| 11:05.49 | jacekowski | you can't dd live filesystem |
| 11:05.53 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 11:06.00 | MohammadAG51 | you can dd a dead filesystem |
| 11:06.05 | jacekowski | yes |
| 11:06.13 | jacekowski | but how do you plan to dd dead filesystem? |
| 11:06.21 | jacekowski | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 11:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah that's all pretty nice and true and whatnot, but can you *flash* it? |
| 11:06.30 | MohammadAG51 | i have ubuntu, fedora and nitdroid running |
| 11:06.41 | jacekowski | no |
| 11:06.42 | MohammadAG51 | k, last one might be useless |
| 11:06.47 | jacekowski | you need headers |
| 11:06.52 | jacekowski | otherwise nolo will refuse to flash it |
| 11:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | for sure |
| 11:07.17 | MohammadAG51 | hmm? |
| 11:07.28 | MohammadAG51 | nolo failed |
| 11:07.33 | MohammadAG51 | when i flashed it |
| 11:08.45 | jacekowski | and checksums as well |
| 11:09.20 | MohammadAG51 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 |
| 11:09.24 | jacekowski | so you have header, header version, and crc32 |
| 11:09.41 | jacekowski | + i think every block in fiasco is checksummed as well |
| 11:11.48 | MohammadAG51 | so how does that app supposedly work? |
| 11:12.05 | jacekowski | it's not flashing fiasco |
| 11:12.10 | MohammadAG51 | oh? |
| 11:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it sounds *cute* |
| 11:12.25 | jacekowski | hmm let me check something |
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| 11:13.42 | MohammadAG51 | hmmm, he says flash 1.2 fiasco first then flash the image made with dd |
| 11:14.03 | MohammadAG51 | is nolo _that_ stupid? |
| 11:15.02 | jacekowski | you can't flash that |
| 11:15.09 | jacekowski | unless you are doing it without nolo |
| 11:15.22 | jacekowski | or flasher is building fiasco image |
| 11:15.26 | MohammadAG51 | he's using flasher-3.5 |
| 11:15.40 | MohammadAG51 | idk, not gonna test this |
| 11:15.50 | MohammadAG51 | too many custom changes |
| 11:15.50 | jacekowski | it could be flasher that's building fiasco image for nolo |
| 11:16.14 | MohammadAG51 | fiasco-gen makes fiasco images, not flasher |
| 11:16.44 | jacekowski | btw. do you know that nolo has limits on fiasco image size |
| 11:16.48 | jacekowski | and it's up to mem size |
| 11:16.54 | jacekowski | because it's recieving data |
| 11:17.04 | jacekowski | and then it's flashing after that |
| 11:17.07 | MohammadAG51 | yes i know |
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| 11:19.07 | MohammadAG51 | iirc |
| 11:19.13 | MohammadAG51 | when flashing failed here |
| 11:19.18 | MohammadAG51 | it said unexpected EOF |
| 11:19.26 | MohammadAG51 | so i'm guessing dd failed |
| 11:20.03 | lcuk | wakes up and is infuriated |
| 11:20.48 | MohammadAG51 | sends lcuk back to his bed |
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| 11:21.00 | lcuk | :D awww thanks |
| 11:21.56 | rmrfchik | hmm... while building application for "Maemo" targer in Nokia Qt SDK, I go "Packaging failed" |
| 11:22.02 | rmrfchik | No more error messages |
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| 11:26.57 | Macer | Two Iron Cross First Class recipients were women, one of whom was test pilot Hanna Reitsch. One of the Muslim SS members to receive the award was SS Obersturmführer Imam Halim MalkoÄ |
| 11:27.07 | Macer | wow. a muslim nazi? |
| 11:27.26 | rmrfchik | why not? |
| 11:27.29 | ajf_ | rmrfchik: if you're not already, maybe try it in the maemo sdk scratchbox |
| 11:27.51 | Macer | rmrfchik: i thought nazis were anti-non-christians |
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| 11:29.05 | rmrfchik | nazi is about nationalizm. That is, about caring about your origin. |
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| 11:34.23 | Macer | then how could judaism be considered origin? |
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| 11:34.37 | Macer | as a religion it is possible that people could be converts |
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| 11:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: nazis were not positive about christian church either |
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| 11:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | if anything they were involved with Wotan and/or crude satanism/other_BS |
| 11:46.40 | lcuk | so far off topic i think its on another planet :S |
| 11:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I seem to remember politics is strictly off topic generally |
| 11:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ack |
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| 11:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | stabs lcuk to test if he's (been) asleep again |
| 11:51.51 | lcuk | nope, ive had breakfast and had a good laugh at youtubers |
| 11:52.52 | lcuk | quotes: |
| 11:52.54 | lcuk | If this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's "magic". But since it is not, I would have to guess it has something to do with the camera focusing sensor (not the camera it self) and line crossing. |
| 11:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | breakfast... sounds like something familiar - long ago. Should probably try to remember about what it was |
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| 11:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:53.44 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM (for those who dont know where) |
| 11:53.59 | lcuk | so i should just get an iphone shell around my n900 |
| 11:54.04 | lcuk | and then it would be magic? |
| 11:54.33 | lcuk | might get iphone sdk and try it |
| 11:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: naaw |
| 11:55.09 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 11:55.22 | jacekowski | i really think that search feature in iphone was one of the best things about that phone |
| 11:55.26 | lcuk | does iphone code run fast enough? |
| 11:55.36 | lcuk | ponders |
| 11:55.51 | jacekowski | i mean, seriously, it takes ages to find any e-mail |
| 11:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: do you run fast enough to escape from iphone? |
| 11:55.58 | jacekowski | partialy because modest is a disaster |
| 11:56.09 | alterego | lcuk: should do, it's mostly objective C |
| 11:56.31 | lcuk | jacekowski, mm? grab modest code and see if a better search can be implemented |
| 11:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | search? in modest?? |
| 11:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | all new to me |
| 11:56.55 | lcuk | alterego, is obj C fully compiled |
| 11:57.00 | lcuk | does not know |
| 11:57.04 | alterego | Yes |
| 11:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure it is |
| 11:57.18 | lcuk | i thought it was like c# and java etc |
| 11:57.26 | alterego | It's just C with a bit of crappy OOP tacked on to make it look quite ugly. |
| 11:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 11:57.31 | alterego | No |
| 11:57.44 | alterego | Objective-C probably predates the idea of bytecode VM's tbh :) |
| 11:57.46 | lcuk | cool, so its more like CFront (C with objects) |
| 11:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's a bit too negative |
| 11:57.49 | jacekowski | lcuk: thing is that iphone had phonewide search |
| 11:58.07 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I don't like it :) |
| 11:58.14 | kerio | objc is not that bad afaik |
| 11:58.16 | alterego | C++ is better imo .. |
| 11:58.23 | jacekowski | lcuk: and it was working quite fast |
| 11:58.28 | lcuk | jacekowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CtynM36kxY see that |
| 11:58.31 | alterego | C++ + Qt :D |
| 11:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | objective C is actually quite nice to me (the few 1000 lines of code I did) |
| 11:58.39 | jacekowski | lcuk: i mean it takes less to search something on iphone than to start modest on n900 |
| 11:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: put tracker to correct decent purpose finally, and you're done |
| 11:59.30 | lcuk | can search globally too |
| 11:59.30 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
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| 11:59.37 | jacekowski | lcuk: oO |
| 11:59.47 | jacekowski | lcuk: so i could write e-mail widget for liqbase? |
| 11:59.54 | jacekowski | lcuk: and contacts widget |
| 12:00.02 | lcuk | :) |
| 12:00.13 | jacekowski | so if i would just make a backend code |
| 12:00.20 | jacekowski | would you be able to deal with frontend |
| 12:00.32 | jacekowski | i mean, pictures and stuff |
| 12:00.43 | jacekowski | so it wouldn't look like it was drawn by 3 years old |
| 12:00.50 | lcuk | well that was the idea i got sidetracked with things |
| 12:01.03 | lcuk | heh my stuff looks likes its drawn by a young kid :P |
| 12:01.14 | lcuk | mostly because it is, me and jake sit and draw stuff |
| 12:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 12:01.29 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | that's how meego is doing things on UI gfx |
| 12:02.13 | lcuk | tries to make stuff that jake understands |
| 12:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | obviously that's trendy nowadays |
| 12:02.31 | jacekowski | i'm just not sure how to do search for e-mails |
| 12:02.38 | jacekowski | use imap search functionality |
| 12:02.40 | alterego | I dunno, I think they might be dumbing it down far too far. |
| 12:02.45 | jacekowski | but then not everyone has imap |
| 12:02.46 | alterego | Even farther than Apple ... |
| 12:03.02 | lcuk | full text search over a large database is tough in any system and needs keyword/hash/lookup database of its own |
| 12:03.04 | jacekowski | or have local index |
| 12:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: yeah :-( |
| 12:03.26 | jacekowski | lcuk: i know that |
| 12:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | TRACKER |
| 12:03.30 | lcuk | i used to do searches over a ~2million record db |
| 12:03.34 | jacekowski | lcuk: i'm just exploring the options |
| 12:03.40 | lcuk | sure |
| 12:03.47 | jacekowski | well, i had 20 million record db |
| 12:04.01 | jacekowski | leaked phone book from polish telecom |
| 12:04.01 | lcuk | lots of spam :p |
| 12:04.15 | jacekowski | and that imported into mysql |
| 12:04.22 | jacekowski | and after adding some indexes |
| 12:04.29 | jacekowski | i could search everything in under a second |
| 12:04.35 | lcuk | does mysql have fulltext search overlay nowadays? |
| 12:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, normal |
| 12:04.41 | lcuk | 1 second is slow |
| 12:04.42 | jacekowski | it does |
| 12:04.47 | jacekowski | for long long time |
| 12:04.55 | jacekowski | i twas p233 MMX |
| 12:05.02 | jacekowski | with old 40G HDD |
| 12:05.13 | lcuk | heh |
| 12:05.24 | jacekowski | it took whole day for it to create indexes |
| 12:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 12:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: muhaha |
| 12:05.43 | lcuk | laughs at old vb.net workkmates who would download entire table and filter using local cursors |
| 12:05.56 | lcuk | and wondered when it got near production that it was slow |
| 12:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha again |
| 12:06.16 | jacekowski | because that phonebook was originaly a text file |
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| 12:06.45 | jacekowski | but mysql had fulltext search for a long long long time |
| 12:08.46 | lcuk | jacekowski, you dont just mean field like '*blah*' do you :p |
| 12:09.57 | lcuk | fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu tracy |
| 12:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | WHERE field LIKE "*bla*" ? Why not? |
| 12:10.08 | lcuk | RT: @teebee76 |
| 12:10.08 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.18 | lcuk | shes a cheeky cow |
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| 12:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (LIKE) will take 'ages' but should work, for all I understand about SQL and maybe MySQL |
| 12:12.09 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, because the prefix wildcard means that it has to work on the data rather than index only |
| 12:12.32 | lcuk | ie slow |
| 12:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure, no index optimization possible n that. DB has to use rough matches |
| 12:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | will take 'ages'... |
| 12:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | except if you create an index for each col of the string field |
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| 12:13.52 | lcuk | yeah thats the fulltext overlay |
| 12:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | char[1]("A".."z"), char[2]("A".."z")... |
| 12:14.21 | lcuk | but it bloats db size horribly and is impractical to rescan entire datasets |
| 12:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 12:14.43 | lcuk | as noted by the number of forums who cannot offer timely search capabilities |
| 12:15.00 | lcuk | i keep wanting a google operator on sql |
| 12:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 12:15.15 | lcuk | select fields from table where google 'stuff' |
| 12:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | thought there is |
| 12:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | well not really but smething similarly screwed |
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| 12:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | damn, decades ago... completely forgot about that shit |
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| 12:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | dict? |
| 12:17.43 | lcuk | yeah potentially but it has to hold info about data on all fields |
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| 12:18.26 | lcuk | goes coding |
| 12:18.30 | lcuk | \o ttyl |
| 12:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | have fun :-) |
| 12:23.20 | kerio | is there a good wardriving app for n900? |
| 12:23.31 | kerio | and is packet injection working? |
| 12:23.44 | kerio | (the two are, unsurprisingly, related) |
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| 12:26.23 | jacekowski | lcuk: i know |
| 12:26.35 | jacekowski | lcuk: mysql had fulltext search for 5 years at least |
| 12:26.46 | jacekowski | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/fulltext-search.html |
| 12:27.48 | lcuk | nice jacekowski :) |
| 12:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: they are not exactly related. and wardriving *should* work, while packet injection afaik doesn't with the wlan chipset |
| 12:28.52 | kerio | i saw a guide that suggested the use of aireplay |
| 12:28.56 | kerio | :\ |
| 12:28.58 | kerio | oh well |
| 12:29.17 | jacekowski | hmm, all it would have to create is database with all words |
| 12:29.18 | kerio | is there a gui for wardriving? |
| 12:29.39 | jacekowski | and then search with like word% |
| 12:29.53 | jacekowski | it wouldn't be the fastest |
| 12:30.03 | jacekowski | but i think it would be fast enough for search as you type |
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| 12:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | >>The search string must be a literal string, not a variable or a column name.<< ouch! |
| 12:32.00 | jacekowski | it can be a subquery and that kind of shit |
| 12:32.04 | jacekowski | there are workarounds |
| 12:32.30 | jacekowski | where does modest store e-mails? |
| 12:33.08 | jacekowski | hmm .modes |
| 12:33.11 | jacekowski | .modest* |
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| 12:36.32 | ppman | can anyone help me get maemo-pan working on my n810? |
| 12:36.58 | ppman | I think I had everything, but then I deleted the dummy connection by mistake, but I managed to make it again |
| 12:37.21 | ppman | now it's trying to connect to the pan, but it's acting really rather strange. |
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| 12:37.51 | ppman | it's getting a 169.x.x.x address, and everything seems to route to another 169.x.x.x address |
| 12:45.25 | jacekowski | 169 addreses are apipa |
| 12:45.44 | jacekowski | and if you get address like that then something is wrong |
| 12:45.44 | ppman | that's why I'm skeptical that it's *really* working... |
| 12:46.08 | ppman | I usually get a 192.168.x.x address from ICS on windows mobile, |
| 12:46.14 | ppman | at least when used over usb. |
| 12:46.34 | ppman | As soon as I can get a hand on a laptop with bt, I'm going to try that connected to the phone.. |
| 12:47.22 | ppman | or, in this case |
| 12:47.25 | ppman | I think I got it... |
| 12:47.36 | ppman | wtf? |
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| 12:48.28 | alterego | It means it's not configured to get addresses properly, whether manually assigned or using dhcp |
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| 12:50.05 | ppman | it's working, mostly, just ifconfig says I still have the 169. address |
| 12:50.12 | ppman | maybe it's supposed to be? |
| 12:50.27 | alterego | No, not supposed to be. |
| 12:50.28 | ppman | I noticed that it seems to want this address over dhcp, |
| 12:50.38 | alterego | That's because dhcp isn't working correctly. |
| 12:50.50 | ppman | it's not like it fails to get it, then falls back on this.. |
| 12:50.56 | ppman | maybe. |
| 12:51.48 | alterego | Well, that's what it is doing. |
| 12:51.51 | ppman | but a lot of these pings are going through.. |
| 12:52.03 | alterego | Sure |
| 12:52.08 | ppman | well, it's not consistent |
| 12:58.05 | opdf2 | When "Charging is Complete." Is the charging connection giving any power to the N900? |
| 12:58.41 | ppman | opdf2: afaik, it goes between discharging and charging just a tiny bit |
| 12:59.19 | ppman | alterego: so, out of a ping of 10 packets, |
| 12:59.23 | ppman | 5 dropped, |
| 12:59.35 | ppman | 2 came back from a 169. address somewhere else, |
| 12:59.41 | ppman | and 3 came back from google as I asked |
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| 13:13.08 | lcuk | it comes as no surprise that i made n900 go rather slow by running 16 youtube videos |
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| 13:15.02 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, isn't that an overkill? |
| 13:15.22 | kerio | lcuk: my laptop becomes slow with *three* youtube videos |
| 13:15.50 | ppman | loading 16 youtube videos at the same time isn't normal... |
| 13:15.57 | ppman | but on the n900 it is |
| 13:16.01 | lcuk | :D lol |
| 13:16.02 | kerio | n900 - not even once |
| 13:16.22 | lcuk | o_O it crashed |
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| 13:16.38 | lcuk | oh hang on no, battery flat |
| 13:17.12 | lcuk | plugs in and tries again |
| 13:26.27 | alterego | Hahah |
| 13:26.54 | lcuk | slaps alterego 16 times |
| 13:27.02 | lcuk | its running again now whilst charging |
| 13:31.26 | alterego | :) |
| 13:31.30 | kerio | lcuk: won't work |
| 13:31.54 | kerio | 1.1A is probably not enough, with that kind of load |
| 13:32.03 | MohammadAG51 | wow |
| 13:32.05 | MohammadAG51 | my ps3 said out of memory |
| 13:32.13 | kerio | buy a wii |
| 13:32.23 | MohammadAG51 | i'm 16, not 1 |
| 13:32.24 | ppman | too many youtube videos? |
| 13:32.33 | steinex | can anyone tell me how i can let trackerd reindex all my stuff? |
| 13:32.33 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 13:32.39 | steinex | i tried trackerd -r but it did nothing |
| 13:33.00 | lcuk | ppman, no just empty battery |
| 13:33.03 | lcuk | its working fine now |
| 13:33.34 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, maemosdk |
| 13:33.35 | infobot | hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 13:33.38 | lcuk | acting as a nice hand warmer :) |
| 13:33.41 | MohammadAG51 | ~botsnack |
| 13:33.41 | infobot | MohammadAG51: aw, gee |
| 13:33.56 | kerio | MohammadAG51: yeah, yeah, "nintendo is for kids" |
| 13:33.59 | kerio | i forgot |
| 13:34.37 | lcuk | our wii is used for many tihngs |
| 13:34.43 | MohammadAG51 | aww crap, i'm turning 17 next month |
| 13:34.46 | lcuk | tracy does her yoga with it |
| 13:35.07 | lcuk | me and jake play cars o_O |
| 13:35.17 | kerio | lcuk: i feel that there's a double entendre somewhere there, but i can't find it |
| 13:35.17 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, some people use it to smash flat screens |
| 13:35.29 | kerio | s/some people/idiots/ |
| 13:35.32 | lcuk | kerio, hmm? no |
| 13:35.45 | kerio | it must be me then - nvm |
| 13:36.00 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, the PS3 has wii-ish stuff :P |
| 13:36.35 | lcuk | not really the same MohammadAG51 |
| 13:36.42 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, better? |
| 13:36.46 | kerio | nintendo: "motion controls! woo" ms/sony: "pff, lame" |
| 13:37.02 | kerio | ms/sony: "motion controls! woo" nintendo: "THREE DIMENSIONS BITCH" |
| 13:37.02 | MohammadAG51 | the ps move is interesting tbh |
| 13:37.07 | lcuk | and the wii has momentum here, we have guitars and drumkit and mics and steering wheels and a boatload of games |
| 13:37.23 | MohammadAG51 | i want a guitar and drum kit :( |
| 13:37.28 | MohammadAG51 | for rock band 2 |
| 13:37.42 | lcuk | yeah luke and tracy have a growing collection |
| 13:37.51 | kerio | MohammadAG51: wait for rock band 3, the "pro" instruments are awesome |
| 13:37.59 | kerio | and they're actually musical instruments |
| 13:38.02 | lcuk | the rockband type games are more like "Now thats what i call music.." tapes from days gone by |
| 13:38.21 | MohammadAG51 | heh, it's mostly old songs |
| 13:38.29 | MohammadAG51 | pre2k |
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| 13:38.36 | lcuk | doesnt matter, just collections of music |
| 13:38.55 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, but without a guitar/drumkit, you have to play vocals :P |
| 13:39.04 | kerio | both the pro guitar and the pro keytar are actually midi instruments |
| 13:39.31 | steinex | anyone can help me with trackerd please? |
| 13:39.42 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, replacing singing into hairbrush with real vocals lol |
| 13:39.46 | kerio | steinex: killall trackerd |
| 13:39.46 | MohammadAG51 | yes, purge it |
| 13:39.48 | lcuk | steinex, whats up |
| 13:40.02 | MohammadAG51 | i hate that thing deeply |
| 13:40.19 | steinex | kerio, lcuk: i want that trackerd reindexes all my stuff |
| 13:40.26 | MohammadAG51 | it sees my battery life down to 10% and decides to reindex |
| 13:40.29 | steinex | i tried trackerd -r but it did nothing |
| 13:40.34 | kerio | MohammadAG51: it does it on purpose |
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| 13:40.43 | MohammadAG51 | steinex, tracker-processes --hard-reset |
| 13:40.49 | MohammadAG51 | as user, not root |
| 13:40.53 | steinex | MohammadAG51: will try |
| 13:40.53 | kerio | daemons are like dogs |
| 13:41.00 | kerio | they know you're not confortable with them |
| 13:41.04 | kerio | and they act consequently |
| 13:41.06 | MohammadAG51 | then restart the media player/photos app |
| 13:41.21 | MohammadAG51 | lol kerio |
| 13:41.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:41.40 | lcuk | steinex, how long have you given the "trackerd -r" process to run? |
| 13:42.02 | lcuk | and did you reboot before doing this (sometimes helps makes sure you are only running normal processes etc) |
| 13:42.04 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, it should be tracker-processes, not trackerd |
| 13:42.30 | lcuk | ^^ then try that |
| 13:42.36 | steinex | MohammadAG51: cool it worked |
| 13:42.41 | steinex | MohammadAG51: thanks |
| 13:42.56 | MohammadAG51 | np, i think i defined it in infobot some time ago |
| 13:43.03 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, trackerreset |
| 13:43.03 | infobot | methinks trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal |
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| 13:43.27 | steinex | tracker sucks a bit... i have added album art to one album but trackerd never realized it... thus the hard reset |
| 13:43.41 | steinex | i would like to get rid of tracker at all :/ |
| 13:44.14 | lcuk | tracker serves a purpose |
| 13:44.17 | steinex | i know |
| 13:44.23 | kerio | what purpose? |
| 13:44.25 | kerio | it sucks |
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| 13:44.41 | timeless_mbp | sucking power is a very important purpose :) |
| 13:44.47 | timeless_mbp | something has to do it |
| 13:44.54 | alterego | tracker indexes all your icons and images you don't want to see. |
| 13:45.00 | timeless_mbp | better that people complain about the tracker than the browser :) |
| 13:45.12 | steinex | well would the music player be usable without trackerd? not really, or? |
| 13:45.25 | steinex | if it would, then i could get rid of it |
| 13:45.32 | MohammadAG51 | steinex, nope, it NEEDS tracker |
| 13:45.33 | lcuk | kerio metadata indexing is important in some situations. agreed its implementation isnt perfect but i dont think there is a perfect mechanism |
| 13:45.42 | timeless_mbp | it'd be 99.99% unusable w/o tracker |
| 13:45.54 | kerio | lcuk: manual indexing when you tell him to |
| 13:46.01 | alterego | I think tracker is a brilliant idea. |
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| 13:46.05 | kerio | or just a damn file browser |
| 13:46.10 | MohammadAG51 | timeless_mbp, what happened to the 00.01? |
| 13:46.20 | alterego | It just relies on too many variables and our system (I.E. The Media Player) is seriously flawed. |
| 13:46.25 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, you get a nice front screen |
| 13:46.29 | steinex | can i see the progress of tracker-indexer? |
| 13:46.31 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 13:46.32 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: you can in theory ask the media player top play a file from a commandline |
| 13:46.44 | alterego | Using dbus :) |
| 13:46.50 | alterego | You can use the file manager too. |
| 13:47.07 | kerio | timeless_mbp: or from the file browser! |
| 13:47.08 | timeless_mbp | alterego: presumably that uses the commandline |
| 13:47.15 | alterego | timeless_mbp: more likely dbus |
| 13:47.32 | kerio | cutexplorer uses dbus |
| 13:47.35 | alterego | But I Don't know for sure. |
| 13:47.47 | alterego | It'd make sense using the mime database and dbus services. |
| 13:49.31 | alterego | Definitely dbus |
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| 14:09.37 | slonopotamus | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/r0bertz/~3/E27SwK9x_0w/type-special-characters-in-xterm-in.html screenshot :) |
| 14:12.54 | trumee | slonopotamus, gentoo user yay! |
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| 14:39.49 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
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| 14:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 14:42.28 | kerio | i still wonder about that red led btw |
| 14:42.38 | MohammadAG51 | what red led? |
| 14:42.46 | MohammadAG51 | the cam one? |
| 14:42.52 | kerio | MohammadAG51: that's my problem |
| 14:43.02 | kerio | no red led :/ |
| 14:43.18 | MohammadAG51 | prolly fried |
| 14:43.59 | kerio | what could cause it to break but not the two surrounding white lights? |
| 14:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | general generic failure |
| 14:45.56 | MohammadAG51 | english: bad luck |
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| 14:59.33 | DrGrov | Good evening good evening |
| 14:59.40 | DrGrov | What is happening? |
| 15:00.21 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc, I am terribly sorry. I have yet again deceived my brain to trick me into not sending you the N900 adapter. |
| 15:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 15:02.53 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I might have to look into my brain a bit harder :) |
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| 15:07.21 | smart | hi |
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| 15:13.48 | lcuk | Jaffa, the youtube video is better sourced |
| 15:13.48 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM |
| 15:14.02 | lcuk | it can handle more bandwidth than my server and its streaming :P |
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| 15:15.15 | Jaffa | lcuk: Is there a tmo thread now? |
| 15:15.26 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 15:16.02 | lcuk | jaffa, that as well http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 |
| 15:16.04 | smart | hi all |
| 15:16.11 | smart | any one wanna chat |
| 15:16.14 | lcuk | i do like that irc snippet though :) |
| 15:16.32 | lcuk | its good to see the actual reaction as people discuss it :) |
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| 15:17.03 | Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed :-) |
| 15:17.36 | Andy80 | in my application's page I've a warning: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lastgo/0.2.0/ is it for this reason that "Promote to extras-testing" is not available? |
| 15:18.26 | alterego | Andy80: has it been in testing for 10 days? |
| 15:18.42 | alterego | Oh wait, you're promoting _to_ testing :) |
| 15:18.48 | Jaffa | Andy80: No. Are you logged in? ;-) |
| 15:18.48 | alterego | Are you logged in? :D |
| 15:18.54 | lcuk | smart, don't PM people you do not know, its bad etiquette, if you want to chat start a conversation |
| 15:18.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:19.31 | Andy80 | let me check.. |
| 15:19.39 | smart | i am new on this server |
| 15:19.45 | Andy80 | yes, I'm logged |
| 15:19.58 | smart | pls tel me about this lcuk |
| 15:20.59 | Jaffa | Andy80: Then you should see "Promote package" on that page. Screenshot? |
| 15:21.13 | smart | hello jaffa |
| 15:21.46 | alterego | What's the IRC newbie channel? The one where people go when they want to play around with IRC? :) |
| 15:21.51 | Andy80 | Jaffa: just discovered it's mandatory that field: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Lack_of_bug_reporting_database |
| 15:22.00 | alterego | Oh yeah |
| 15:22.00 | Andy80 | I'll upload a new version.. |
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| 15:24.12 | Jaffa | Andy80: Yeah, but I thought it let you get to testing with it missing; obviously not. |
| 15:24.16 | Jaffa | (any more) |
| 15:25.04 | Andy80 | Jaffa: I requested an entry on bugzilla too... but I'll use my email address until it's not available |
| 15:25.07 | lcuk | Jaffa, how is your qt playing going, are you comfortable with the apis yet? |
| 15:25.52 | lcuk | since the open souring of maps for n810 |
| 15:25.57 | lcuk | sourcing |
| 15:26.09 | lcuk | does this mean we can port/use on n900? |
| 15:27.02 | alterego | "State of the art test facility", "17 anechoic chambers", "$100 million investment", "18 PhD scientists & engineers" "Advanced antenna design" -- And they still fucked up |
| 15:28.17 | lcuk | what was not mentioned was WHEN this investment occured ;) |
| 15:28.25 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:28.27 | lcuk | wasnt there news of antenna engineers wanted VERY recently |
| 15:28.27 | alterego | Good point |
| 15:28.32 | alterego | Hahah |
| 15:29.01 | alterego | So I agree holding your handset may affect signal on all phones. It does not however cause your phone to completely loose signal ... |
| 15:29.17 | Jaffa | lcuk: Not had much chance to do further Qt playing yet |
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| 15:29.33 | Jaffa | lcuk: I was thinking the same thing about Wayfinder. Getting it on my N900 would be good. |
| 15:30.00 | lcuk | yeah :) vodafone seem to be applying best practice as far as possible with dead projects |
| 15:30.05 | Andy80 | still wants Google Maps on N900... the best available around |
| 15:30.11 | lcuk | dead closed projects * |
| 15:30.23 | lcuk | Andy80, google maps isnt perfect |
| 15:30.27 | lcuk | and requires net access |
| 15:30.39 | lcuk | try using it out in the middle of nowhere - when you NEED maps |
| 15:30.52 | Andy80 | ok... it's not perfect but it was very very fast even on my N73... imagine on a N900 |
| 15:31.09 | Andy80 | when I see people using it on Android or on iPhone I say £"%£$%"%$"!!!! |
| 15:31.11 | alterego | Was 3GS more successful than the N95? |
| 15:31.13 | lcuk | still uses a photograph of local map |
| 15:31.21 | lcuk | much more reliable |
| 15:31.29 | lcuk | can be upgraded to include indoor maps |
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| 15:31.36 | lcuk | v good for conf |
| 15:31.44 | Jaffa | lcuk: It's depressing that when abroad/at work the fastest way of getting a view of a map from someone's Google Maps web browser is to take a photo of their screen with your N900. |
| 15:31.55 | Jaffa | feels like there should be something whizzy, quick & Bluetoothy |
| 15:32.02 | alterego | "1.7% iPhone 4 return rate" this is because they're waiting for you to fix the issue. |
| 15:32.12 | lcuk | jaffa i photograph maps as soon as i get off a train or something |
| 15:32.20 | alterego | The fact the fix is a rubber band asided .. |
| 15:32.23 | lcuk | new places and local knowledge always trumps the internet |
| 15:32.57 | lcuk | tho having search and routing is amazing |
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| 15:33.11 | lcuk | tracy misses Todd from her n810 |
| 15:33.46 | zeltak | hi guys..im trying to play around with maemo before i buy a n900. ive dl a image with ubuntu and the sdk..is that the best way to go? |
| 15:34.01 | zeltak | and if so how does one install maemo apps on the sdk? |
| 15:34.47 | alterego | "Additional calls dropped per 100 calls compared to iPhone 3GS" |
| 15:34.57 | alterego | additional call per 100 calls wtf? |
| 15:35.12 | Jaffa | lcuk: Only reason I've still got my N810 is for car mount and Wayfinder. |
| 15:35.56 | lcuk | yeah jaffa, hopefully we can get wayfinder license support sorted at very least for other n810 owners |
| 15:36.23 | lcuk | even without a port to n900 it would make many people smile :) |
| 15:36.31 | lcuk | how long is your license? |
| 15:36.36 | lcuk | ie when does it expire |
| 15:37.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: Hmm, some time next year I think |
| 15:37.47 | lcuk | we only ever used to get monthly ones, tracy has been :( since we could not renew |
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| 15:46.25 | Andy80 | Jaffa: now "Promote" link is available, but I wanna wait... i forgot to optify at least the executable (even if it's 250kb) |
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| 15:48.29 | lcuk | ponders optifying /usr/bin |
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| 15:48.59 | MohammadAG51 | ponders optifying / and using mtd5 as swap |
| 15:49.04 | Robot101 | lcuk: to be really smart, the best thing to do would be to work out a way to detect which things were most frequently accessed, and put them on the NAND flash :P |
| 15:49.30 | Robot101 | MohammadAG51: that wouldn't quite do it - because the buffer cache is never swapped |
| 15:49.38 | MohammadAG51 | hmm? |
| 15:49.44 | lcuk | Robot101, for sure, and it should be completely transparent to the apps |
| 15:49.49 | Robot101 | MohammadAG51: so if there's memory pressure *every* damn executable code page will go to MMC... slooooooooooooow |
| 15:50.02 | lcuk | i dont like optifying single items tho |
| 15:50.05 | lcuk | its more wasteful |
| 15:50.10 | MohammadAG51 | Robot101, the emmc isn't that slow |
| 15:50.18 | Robot101 | MohammadAG51: yeah, it really is compared to the flash |
| 15:50.23 | lcuk | moving whole folders in one go is somehow cleaner |
| 15:50.28 | Robot101 | PR1.2 was godawful before a few things were moved back |
| 15:50.32 | Robot101 | lcuk: investigate overlay filesystems? |
| 15:50.42 | Robot101 | lcuk: but, cleanliness be damned, we gotta make it fast |
| 15:50.49 | Robot101 | lcuk: if you have a nice tool/framework for tracking wtf is going on |
| 15:50.50 | lcuk | yeah Robot101 i agree |
| 15:50.57 | Robot101 | lcuk: there's no limit to how we arrange things |
| 15:50.59 | MohammadAG51 | strace |
| 15:51.16 | Robot101 | that doesn't give you page accesses |
| 15:51.18 | lcuk | putting optification in the filesystem would be nice |
| 15:51.18 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, i wonder how much space the next device will have |
| 15:51.23 | MohammadAG51 | +512MBs surely |
| 15:51.26 | lcuk | thats actually REALLY nice in principle |
| 15:51.39 | Robot101 | you need something in kernel to track page accesses for you |
| 15:51.57 | Robot101 | you want the most commonly executed 256MB of code to be on the MMC |
| 15:52.01 | Robot101 | er, NAND |
| 15:52.13 | lcuk | damn you Robot101 :p its sunday i shouldnt be pondering this today :p |
| 15:52.32 | Robot101 | lcuk: if you can play with onedotzero at work, you can play with optification on weekends... you love it really :D |
| 15:52.47 | lcuk | nods sagely |
| 15:52.51 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 15:52.52 | Robot101 | there are overlay filesystems which mush two filesystems together |
| 15:52.53 | Robot101 | actually.. |
| 15:52.56 | lcuk | and offers roast chicken |
| 15:52.56 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:52.57 | Robot101 | that's quite interesting |
| 15:52.59 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 15:53.01 | Robot101 | because - if you have an overlay |
| 15:53.05 | alterego | Ello Venemo |
| 15:53.11 | Robot101 | then /everything/ is in opt |
| 15:53.16 | Venemo | I'm testing XChat on the N900 at the moment |
| 15:53.18 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, mind if I ask some questions? |
| 15:53.23 | Robot101 | so it's totally consistent, you just copy whatever you want on the flash over to the overlaied fs |
| 15:53.35 | Venemo | it is not very well hildonized... :( |
| 15:53.35 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, ill close ##physics chan then |
| 15:53.36 | Robot101 | you can tune it at runtime even... :D |
| 15:53.42 | lcuk | yeah Robot101 |
| 15:53.44 | kerio | let's just substitute the 256mb of ram with 16gb |
| 15:53.45 | lcuk | it would be good |
| 15:53.50 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, why was /var/lib/dpkg optified, instead of microb-engine and locales? |
| 15:53.56 | Robot101 | kerio: and some much bigger batteries... :D |
| 15:54.06 | Robot101 | MohammadAG51: putting browser on MMC made it hella slow |
| 15:54.07 | kerio | Robot101: well, we're increasing the space it needs, so... |
| 15:54.19 | Robot101 | also (your) locale gets hit really really often |
| 15:54.27 | Robot101 | so if you optify it, kiss your UI performance goodbye |
| 15:54.32 | MohammadAG51 | and the others? meh |
| 15:54.34 | Robot101 | but, a good point, optify all the /others/ :) |
| 15:54.43 | MohammadAG51 | when changing languages, swap |
| 15:54.47 | Robot101 | yeah |
| 15:55.09 | MohammadAG51 | sth bothers me |
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| 15:55.35 | MohammadAG51 | why the f does Qt use a different locale for numbers |
| 15:56.00 | MohammadAG51 | fapman for example uses arabic numbers, and I never set anything to arabic except timezone |
| 15:56.01 | alterego | Because there are less numerical formats than languages .. |
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| 15:56.26 | lcuk | still giggles at name fapman |
| 15:56.43 | kerio | fapman is awesome |
| 15:56.44 | alterego | :) |
| 15:56.46 | kerio | way better than HAM |
| 15:56.53 | alterego | Not used it. |
| 15:56.59 | alterego | Might look into it .. |
| 15:57.10 | alterego | Does it have screenshots? |
| 15:57.18 | MohammadAG51 | no, it has long app lists |
| 15:57.23 | MohammadAG51 | :P |
| 15:57.24 | kerio | the -devel version looks better |
| 15:57.26 | lcuk | fapman is not a complete replacement and does not support everything required, but its damned quick |
| 15:57.31 | kerio | or the -testing version at least |
| 15:57.44 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, hmm, what does it not support? |
| 15:58.04 | lcuk | does it do software updates? does it handle app restore? |
| 15:58.05 | zeltak | so anyone? is there a way to "tst-drive" 900 on a virtual machine or emulator? |
| 15:58.17 | MohammadAG51 | meh |
| 15:58.38 | MohammadAG51 | i so wanna make a hildon-application-manager which has 0 shit in it |
| 15:58.52 | MohammadAG51 | should shut up mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of HAM |
| 15:58.59 | lcuk | you cannot have an in production app with 0 shit in it |
| 15:59.04 | Stskeeps | and no ssu |
| 15:59.09 | MohammadAG51 | but you can divide by 0 |
| 15:59.21 | lcuk | you can, because you are special |
| 15:59.23 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, tbh, SSU also made more problems for me |
| 15:59.29 | MohammadAG51 | -also |
| 15:59.36 | MohammadAG51 | i always reflash |
| 15:59.41 | Venemo | I don't understand the need for separate app managers |
| 15:59.47 | MohammadAG51 | and seriously, who's expecting a PR1.3 :P |
| 15:59.53 | Venemo | why not just improve HAM? |
| 16:00.04 | lcuk | Venemo :) |
| 16:00.10 | MohammadAG51 | agreed |
| 16:00.16 | alterego | I'm expecting PR1.3, just not any modifications to HAM :P |
| 16:00.25 | lcuk | is expecting a pr1.3 as wlel |
| 16:00.37 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: the engineers working on it expect something to be shipped after 1.2 |
| 16:00.41 | alterego | I expect PR1.3 shortly after the release of Qt 4.7 |
| 16:00.41 | kerio | Venemo: "improving" ham would mean rewriting it in a sane way |
| 16:00.47 | timeless_mbp | as for expecting it to have a given name... |
| 16:00.49 | alterego | I actually thinik they're waiting on 4.7 |
| 16:01.04 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, at the very least, we're committed to shipping a <something> which has Qt4.7 |
| 16:01.08 | MohammadAG51 | I want the new pulseaudio package |
| 16:01.15 | lcuk | i want a pony |
| 16:01.16 | timeless_mbp | because our goal is for people to be able to use the n900 to build apps for <next> |
| 16:01.20 | kerio | i want no pulseaudio |
| 16:01.22 | Venemo | kerio: are you familiar with its code or just saying it? |
| 16:01.24 | MohammadAG51 | gives lcuk a pony |
| 16:01.27 | kerio | Venemo: just saying |
| 16:01.40 | timeless_mbp | kerio: you can replace the entire platform w/ something else |
| 16:01.44 | kerio | i actually don't know how to program in compiled languages :/ |
| 16:01.49 | timeless_mbp | you aren't required to use tracker, or image-viewer |
| 16:01.51 | timeless_mbp | or the media player |
| 16:01.53 | timeless_mbp | or pulse |
| 16:01.59 | kerio | timeless_mbp: or the n900! |
| 16:02.01 | kerio | :D |
| 16:02.03 | timeless_mbp | well, if you want to replace pulse, you need to replace the phone stack |
| 16:02.14 | timeless_mbp | but the others are optional |
| 16:02.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:02.16 | MohammadAG51 | is it me, or is the meego gallery a black window |
| 16:02.25 | kerio | goes to buy an iPhone 4 with a bumper that matches his shoes |
| 16:02.28 | alterego | MohammadAG51: didn't work for me either .. |
| 16:02.33 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 16:02.56 | Venemo | kerio: lol |
| 16:03.16 | alterego | Stil can't get the 4.7 madde toolchain to work :( |
| 16:03.27 | MohammadAG51 | go scratchbox! |
| 16:03.34 | alterego | pfft |
| 16:03.42 | alterego | Scratchbox is a pain in the ass |
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| 16:04.13 | MohammadAG51 | madde is a wannabe |
| 16:04.35 | lcuk | madde allows building/linking with other non qt libs doesnt it? |
| 16:04.38 | Venemo | madde is not bad, just unfinished |
| 16:04.51 | Venemo | lcuk: yes it does |
| 16:04.59 | alterego | I like madde |
| 16:05.00 | lcuk | does it allow building of non qt apps |
| 16:05.07 | kerio | timeless_mbp: |
| 16:05.08 | kerio | er |
| 16:05.12 | Venemo | lcuk: yes |
| 16:05.13 | alterego | lcuk: sure |
| 16:05.19 | alterego | lcuk: it wasn't developed for Qt at all. |
| 16:05.51 | kerio | timeless_mbp: i know i whine a lot - it's just that i see an incredible potential in the n900 |
| 16:05.55 | Venemo | althought it is a bit problematic to install 3rd party libs to madde, it is possible, too |
| 16:06.14 | crashanddie | does anyone have a tent I could borrow tonight? |
| 16:06.33 | alterego | I'm working on a module at the moment that uses the accelerometer to decide whether the GPS data you're receiving is worth using to update the screen. |
| 16:06.54 | lcuk | huh alterego ? |
| 16:06.59 | kerio | alterego: cute |
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| 16:07.18 | Venemo | alterego: still the ovi store app? |
| 16:07.22 | alterego | Well, if you've not accelerated 50m/s then you're unlikely to have moved as much as the GPS thinks you do sometimes. |
| 16:08.20 | alterego | I'm also adding in an adaptive algorithm that uses H/V DOP to decide how likely it is that you're bolting around like a nutter. |
| 16:08.22 | Venemo | hm. XChat would really need some polishing on its UI |
| 16:08.22 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i have one here... |
| 16:08.32 | timeless_mbp | untested, but.. |
| 16:08.32 | alterego | And it has averaging to make the data "smoother". |
| 16:08.35 | Venemo | it is not finger friendly at all |
| 16:08.53 | alterego | Use irssi :P |
| 16:08.56 | kerio | Venemo: use the keyboard |
| 16:09.31 | Venemo | kerio: i use the keyboard |
| 16:09.31 | lcuk | yes Venemo RST38h looked extensively at modifying the text list but found issues with other parts of the system that would require a more invasive patch |
| 16:09.52 | kerio | shift+pgup/shift+pgdwn to change channel, shift+up/down to go up and down in the text |
| 16:10.05 | kerio | ctrl+enter to go fullscreen |
| 16:10.15 | Venemo | lcuk: is RST38h the developer of the Maemo port of XChat? |
| 16:11.14 | MohammadAG51 | yes, do you need an angry mob? |
| 16:11.25 | lcuk | Venemo, RST38h is a system hacker whos looked at many apps on the platform and yes i think hes marked as current maintainer, but i am not sure its his primary focus |
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| 16:11.48 | Venemo | lcuk: ah, okay. |
| 16:11.56 | lcuk | ie, if you want to have a go at patching it, i am sure he and everyone else will be happy to assist in any way possible :P |
| 16:12.20 | Venemo | lcuk: well, I would help with the UI |
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| 16:12.40 | lcuk | there are ui overviews already, its coding them up thats tough |
| 16:12.50 | alterego | Grrr ... |
| 16:12.52 | lcuk | and making sure they dont break the system |
| 16:12.53 | alterego | WTF doesn't madde work. |
| 16:13.01 | lcuk | are you getting madde? |
| 16:13.13 | Venemo | I use madde |
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| 16:14.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:14.38 | alterego | I'm more than madde :P |
| 16:14.58 | alterego | I use madde successfully, but now I want to use Qt 4.7 but I can't get the madde 4.7 toolchain to work .. |
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| 16:15.46 | alterego | I also found a bug in QtDeclarative :) |
| 16:17.04 | Venemo | there is an IRC plugin for conversations and contacts |
| 16:17.20 | alterego | I just use irssi |
| 16:17.20 | Venemo | however, it can't seem to join channels |
| 16:18.04 | MohammadAG51 | lol what use is it then? |
| 16:18.21 | Venemo | I dunno... |
| 16:18.32 | Venemo | It is possible that I couldn't figure it out |
| 16:18.44 | Venemo | I could send PMs with it |
| 16:18.52 | Venemo | but /join didn't work |
| 16:19.23 | MohammadAG51 | lol what if it added all users in the userlist to your contacts |
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| 16:19.47 | Venemo | I could send a PM to any of them |
| 16:20.08 | Venemo | :D |
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| 16:20.17 | MohammadAG51 | 499 contacts in the contacts app? wouldn't want that |
| 16:20.19 | vldcnst | did you add # before the channel? |
| 16:20.21 | MohammadAG51 | 498* |
| 16:20.26 | Venemo | yes. |
| 16:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: check -devel for starhash-enabler. Should appear there in a few minutes |
| 16:21.05 | lcuk | speaks to many people who do not join channels on irc networks |
| 16:21.47 | vldcnst | lcuk: I too like to speak with vldcnst. |
| 16:22.01 | Venemo | haha! |
| 16:23.19 | alterego | I couldn't even get it to work on 32bit ubuntu .. |
| 16:23.20 | Venemo | hm |
| 16:23.38 | Venemo | HAM is starting to annoy me |
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| 16:29.07 | Venemo | it refreshes its catalogs every time I go back from a category to the main place |
| 16:29.28 | Venemo | and... it is unusable while refreshing. |
| 16:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 16:29.37 | kerio | Venemo: use fapman! |
| 16:29.38 | kahless_weg | i want to reflash my system now, do i have to flash this fiasco thingy? i read about that. normally i just would flash the emmc and the pr. |
| 16:29.54 | kerio | kahless_weg: "this fiasco thingy" is the pr |
| 16:30.01 | Venemo | why couldn't they make it refresh on a separate thread? |
| 16:30.02 | kerio | well, pr+kernel |
| 16:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | COMBINED |
| 16:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's why it's called* |
| 16:30.27 | kahless_weg | i have "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 16:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | and I would *not* flash eMMC |
| 16:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | as that'd wipe all my data and config |
| 16:31.23 | kahless_weg | hmm, i would like to clean everything and start from "scratch". im following a nokia howto |
| 16:31.31 | Venemo | that may be good in some cases |
| 16:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 16:31.53 | Venemo | if you really wanna wipe everything, flash the eMMC, too |
| 16:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | if that is what you want to do |
| 16:32.03 | kahless_weg | yeah :) |
| 16:32.15 | kahless_weg | i think i have everything backupped |
| 16:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | don't boot in between flashes! |
| 16:32.35 | kahless_weg | DocScrutinizer: nope i dont :) |
| 16:33.21 | Venemo | anyone here familiar with Modest's development? |
| 16:33.40 | kahless_weg | then i reflash now, wish me luck |
| 16:34.05 | Venemo | are the bug fixes from the TMO guy applied to the main branch, too |
| 16:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | taps table, waiting for his very first uebercool "app" appearing in repo - even extremely optimized for short codelength ;-P |
| 16:35.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what app is that? |
| 16:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | starhash-enabler |
| 16:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | a lil fancy to grow N900 to a real phone |
| 16:37.06 | Venemo | wonders, what is starhash? |
| 16:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | *# |
| 16:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | so simple |
| 16:37.40 | Venemo | i'm sorry? |
| 16:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | enables star (*) nn hash (#) codes in dialer |
| 16:38.25 | kerio | all codes? |
| 16:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 16:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | afaikt |
| 16:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | *#67# |
| 16:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | **61*911*21*30# |
| 16:40.43 | lcuk | WHAT!? http://thedailywh.at/post/819817745/invalid-argument-of-the-day-i-have-no-idea-what |
| 16:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | evaluation is still going on, about completeness of codes supported regarding TS22.030 |
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| 16:44.32 | SpComb | poor ibex |
| 16:45.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: ah, I undestand |
| 16:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/ |
| 16:48.41 | Robot101 | lcuk: you could maybe use/abuse readahead-collector to monitor how often files are accessed |
| 16:49.24 | kahless_weg | reflash works *happy* |
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| 16:52.17 | lcuk | Robot101, it would be tricky to get something right but certainly we can investigate - tricky part is sliding any replacement method ontop |
| 16:52.54 | lcuk | i did write the notes for dynamic optify/unoptify tho so would need to expand on that aspect |
| 16:53.33 | lcuk | sends a mail to look more cos tea is ready and im already on my 3rd beer o_O |
| 16:54.07 | Robot101 | :D |
| 16:55.53 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what is that thing doing? |
| 16:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nuttin :-P |
| 16:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | echo "foobarshit" >>somefile |
| 16:56.42 | jacekowski | oOOOOO |
| 16:56.43 | jacekowski | oO |
| 16:56.49 | jacekowski | is that all |
| 16:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | yep :-D |
| 16:56.59 | jacekowski | so why it was broken in 1st place |
| 16:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | basically |
| 16:57.08 | GAN900 | 10.04 is rather nice |
| 16:57.14 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.16 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 16:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | 0 bytes prog text, 50 bytes config, 5MB build and wrapper and chrome and foo |
| 16:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | to make HAM happy |
| 16:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | so you can clickyclicky |
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| 17:00.59 | jacekowski | what about video calls? |
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| 17:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | unrelated? |
| 17:01.17 | jacekowski | kind of |
| 17:01.25 | jacekowski | i've just noticed an export from call-ui |
| 17:01.29 | jacekowski | EXPORT cui_video_call_view_new |
| 17:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | suggests `strings call-ui` |
| 17:02.08 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 17:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | who knows what else is burried there |
| 17:02.25 | jacekowski | it's not phone app itself |
| 17:02.30 | jacekowski | that's doing that stuff |
| 17:02.34 | jacekowski | it's one of the libs |
| 17:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 17:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
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| 17:10.37 | jacekowski | hmm, there are other things |
| 17:10.38 | jacekowski | like |
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| 17:10.57 | jacekowski | orientation in section rotation |
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| 17:13.45 | jacekowski | loads of interesting stuff in librtcom-call-ui.so.0 |
| 17:14.27 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: reversing? |
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| 17:15.08 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 17:16.03 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: do me (and all maemo community) a favor and reverse + document libcal write algo :) |
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| 17:16.32 | jacekowski | i already reversed it |
| 17:16.44 | jacekowski | i just have to write a paper |
| 17:16.49 | slonopotamus | o_O |
| 17:17.23 | jacekowski | well, i know how to create a valid block |
| 17:17.33 | jacekowski | i don't know how libcal alocates blocks |
| 17:17.38 | jacekowski | but that's simple |
| 17:17.39 | slonopotamus | i know too :) i don't know where to put it. |
| 17:18.05 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.18 | jacekowski | at any not allocated position |
| 17:18.22 | slonopotamus | wonders if he really looks that dumb |
| 17:18.25 | Venemo | bye guys, I'm leaving now |
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| 17:18.42 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: /dev/mtd1 is a file-like device. |
| 17:19.16 | jacekowski | yep |
| 17:19.18 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: that's what i have currently: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;h=fcb51c82e9de2ac53ee468606b98ac602111d01d;hb=HEAD#l437 |
| 17:19.54 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: read func is above. |
| 17:20.04 | TomaszD | lbt, around? |
| 17:22.30 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: but it doesn't know where to write if it is the first block with given name and can't erase blocks |
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| 17:24.54 | TomaszD | lbt, ping me when around :) |
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| 17:28.45 | jacekowski | ok |
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| 17:41.08 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: what did that "ok" mean? |
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| 17:44.16 | jacekowski | i'll add that to a paper |
| 17:44.25 | jacekowski | and these flags |
| 17:44.30 | jacekowski | it seems like these flags |
| 17:45.00 | jacekowski | thse are flags that are the last parameter for cal_write_block |
| 17:45.05 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: you can see what i have and (hopefully) can reverse what i'm missing |
| 17:46.25 | jacekowski | ConF, 0x02, 1b ver, 1b flags |
| 17:46.31 | jacekowski | these flags |
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| 17:47.47 | Pauly | helllooo |
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| 17:49.58 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: you're talking about on-disk header format? i have it. |
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| 17:52.08 | IcanCU | is it possible to use an n900 as a bluetooth keyboard with a mac or pc? |
| 17:53.27 | slonopotamus | IcanCU: in linux, you can do everything. either via using appropriate app or via writing it yourself |
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| 17:53.49 | alterego | Apparently it is, but I never got it working |
| 17:53.50 | IcanCU | ok let me rephrase: did somebody already make such an app? |
| 17:54.16 | IcanCU | ah ok |
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| 17:56.12 | lcuk | IcanCU, bluemaemo |
| 17:57.07 | IcanCU | awesome... |
| 17:57.23 | IcanCU | thx lcuk ! |
| 17:57.30 | luke-jr | is going to have to switch 100% to Gentoo just to get something reliable :/ |
| 17:57.43 | luke-jr | stupid Maemo keeps disconnecting me from 3G and not reconnecting -.- |
| 17:58.15 | Stskeeps | just increase gprs timeout |
| 17:58.36 | IcanCU | hmm |
| 17:59.03 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I was out of range for at least 15 minutes... |
| 17:59.07 | zlimvos | any good ideas for towers game clone? cant find something decent (only a flash crappy one) |
| 17:59.12 | luke-jr | the problem is it never reconnects on its own |
| 17:59.17 | luke-jr | I have to go into settings and put it in Manual |
| 17:59.21 | luke-jr | then wait 5 minutes for it to scan |
| 17:59.22 | luke-jr | etc |
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| 18:00.51 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: hmm, mine survives 15 mins at times |
| 18:01.05 | Stskeeps | check gprs-timeout somewhere in gprs |
| 18:01.08 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:01.13 | IcanCU | #G is a problem on the N900? |
| 18:01.16 | luke-jr | it's not just GPRS |
| 18:01.17 | IcanCU | 3G |
| 18:01.21 | luke-jr | it's the whole 2G/3G uplink |
| 18:01.36 | luke-jr | IcanCU: if you live in Nebraska where 3G is almost unheard of |
| 18:02.06 | Stskeeps | gprs_timeout covers any data conn |
| 18:02.08 | Stskeeps | in gconf |
| 18:02.17 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I'm not talking about just data |
| 18:02.24 | IcanCU | ahh i live in holland.. good 3G here |
| 18:03.06 | luke-jr | on another note... my N810 is rebuilding everything with GCC 4.4 >>> Installing (17 of 547) sys-devel/automake-wrapper-4 |
| 18:03.10 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: yeah i know |
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| 18:06.48 | th3hate | can i delete ext3 partiton and make the mmc fat32 using n900? |
| 18:07.22 | luke-jr | probably not |
| 18:07.26 | luke-jr | why on earth would you want to? |
| 18:07.29 | luke-jr | fat sucks |
| 18:07.48 | th3hate | n900 can't read ext3 |
| 18:08.13 | th3hate | so ext3 mmc is of no use |
| 18:10.09 | Jaffa | th3hate: eh? |
| 18:10.47 | th3hate | yes? |
| 18:11.15 | th3hate | i want to reformat my MMC to fat32 using my n900 |
| 18:11.22 | th3hate | its ext3 atm |
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| 18:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: n900 CAN read ext3 - evidently, as /home is ext3. It just doesn't automount ext3 partitions on uSD |
| 18:14.20 | luke-jr | th3hate: N900's internal MMC *defaults* to ext3 |
| 18:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | mount /dev/mmc1p1 /mnt/myExt3 and your're done |
| 18:14.41 | luke-jr | th3hate: in any case, flash-blocks should be ext2, not ext3 |
| 18:14.53 | th3hate | here's the problem: |
| 18:14.57 | th3hate | mmc was all fat32 |
| 18:14.58 | luke-jr | do note that Maemo for some reason requires you to explicitly specify -t ext2 to mount it |
| 18:15.07 | th3hate | i made part of it ext3 using this code: |
| 18:15.08 | th3hate | sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk1 << EOF |
| 18:15.09 | th3hate | ,100,C |
| 18:15.09 | th3hate | ,,L |
| 18:15.09 | th3hate | ,, |
| 18:15.12 | th3hate | EOF |
| 18:15.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Maemo mount fails autodetect |
| 18:15.16 | th3hate | now i want to make it all fat32 back |
| 18:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nope it doesn't. I've done exactly this (except the actual names) some 5 days ago |
| 18:16.28 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I know from experience. |
| 18:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 18:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /mnt type ext3 (0) |
| 18:17.32 | luke-jr | maybe ext3 autodetect works better than ext2 |
| 18:17.35 | luke-jr | but ext3 on MMC is bad |
| 18:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I remember wrong and really gave -t ext3 |
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| 18:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /mnt |
| 18:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mount | grep /dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 18:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /mnt type ext3 (0) |
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| 18:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: anyway, go to hildon file manager, clickhold card, select 'format' |
| 18:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: if no card in HFM, then just format it on your desktop PC - probably much simpler than doing it in N900 |
| 18:22.21 | luke-jr | nonsense |
| 18:22.27 | luke-jr | mkfs.vfat /dev/whatever |
| 18:22.32 | luke-jr | trivial |
| 18:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 18:22.40 | th3hate | N900 can't read it, windows can't read ext3 as well |
| 18:22.49 | th3hate | so i can only format it using linux i guess |
| 18:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | and what's about partiton table type?? |
| 18:23.02 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: didn't he already do that? |
| 18:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: you do not need to read a card's filesystem to switch to another filesystem by partitioning&formatting |
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| 18:24.41 | hno | luke-jr: distcc can be quite helpful for large rebuilds.. allows you to send all actual compilation to some faster CPUs with the main one just doing precompilation. Requires a compatible crosscompiler on your other computers and some reasonable networking. |
| 18:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: and - as I elaborated above - N900 CAN read ext3. Just if you missed to format the card to ext3 like luke-jr suggested 3 lines above after you did that sfdisk stuff, then nobody can read it as it's not existing |
| 18:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | sfdisk just changes the partition table and type therein, the filesysten itself needs a formatting to work |
| 18:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: and of course N900 *can* format a ext3 partition on a uSD |
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| 18:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | th3hate: mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 18:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | or p2 or whatever partition you designated to be the ext3 one |
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| 18:31.24 | luke-jr | hno: still takes forever |
| 18:31.41 | luke-jr | th3hate: but again, do ext2, not ext3 |
| 18:32.05 | alterego | I'd quite like to help with h-e-n |
| 18:32.11 | alterego | I've got a little kernel hacking experience. |
| 18:32.29 | luke-jr | hno: happily, I run Gentoo on basically everything, so it's a trivial "crossdev arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi" command to get one |
| 18:32.35 | luke-jr | alterego: wtf is h-e-n |
| 18:32.47 | alterego | N900 USB host mode support |
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| 18:33.15 | luke-jr | o |
| 18:33.23 | luke-jr | PR1.2 has that enabled by default AFAIK |
| 18:33.36 | alterego | Erm, what? |
| 18:33.54 | alterego | I think you're confused :P |
| 18:33.54 | luke-jr | USB host mode |
| 18:34.02 | arachnist | speaking of gentoo, i ought to update my router, which hasn't been updated at least since april |
| 18:34.02 | luke-jr | no, I'm just talking from the .config |
| 18:34.36 | alterego | Well, it's pretty obvious it's not working ... |
| 18:34.41 | alterego | Otherwise we'd all be doing it. |
| 18:34.42 | arachnist | (armv5tejl 1.2GHz + 512MB of ram + 512MB of internal flash + 2.5" 750GB sata drive) |
| 18:34.45 | luke-jr | alterego: did you switch to it? |
| 18:34.53 | alterego | Switch to what? |
| 18:34.59 | luke-jr | alterego: host mode |
| 18:35.08 | luke-jr | arachnist: OpenRD? |
| 18:35.13 | luke-jr | alterego: it's Host mode, not OTG |
| 18:35.17 | arachnist | luke-jr: yup, openrd-client |
| 18:35.25 | alterego | Yes luke-jr I do know the distinction |
| 18:35.40 | alterego | I don't realy want to kill bme |
| 18:35.44 | flux | (what IS the distinction?) |
| 18:35.51 | alterego | Though I might play with it at some point |
| 18:35.59 | luke-jr | flux: OTG auto-detects based on the cable |
| 18:36.00 | alterego | They need a better solution though |
| 18:36.28 | alterego | It's not really even true host mode. |
| 18:36.34 | alterego | But that's neither here nor there .. |
| 18:38.04 | Andy80 | one stupid question: if on the device I want to test the application without a connection available, I simply don't connect to the wifi and test, but what if I want to do the same on my PC? I'd like to start the application with some parameter that doesn't let it to connect... without having to disconnect my pc from network :P is it possible? |
| 18:38.47 | alterego | Andy80: kind of hard to tell you if we don't know what environment your running in |
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| 18:39.27 | Andy80 | alterego: right.... I'm on Linux (ubuntu) and have to test a Qt application |
| 18:39.50 | alterego | Are you using the Nokia Qt SDK or Scratchbox? |
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| 18:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode is NOT available in PR1.2 |
| 18:40.41 | alterego | Actually, the simulator has stuff for network control I thought .. |
| 18:40.50 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: kernel has it enabled :P |
| 18:40.54 | Andy80 | alterego: Nokia SDK |
| 18:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: gnagnagna |
| 18:41.18 | Andy80 | yeah... simulator could be fine, but audio doesn't work :\ |
| 18:41.43 | Andy80 | I copy you the error I het |
| 18:42.15 | Andy80 | defaultServiceProvider::requestService(): no service found for - "com.nokia.qt.mediaplayer" |
| 18:42.40 | alterego | You're probably better of asking in #qt-maemo |
| 18:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: there's roundabout everything missing for real hostmode, and defconfig just enables the host part of OTG, and hostmode does nothing really |
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| 18:44.25 | Tuukka | How do i download maps for my N900. Tried using ovi suite but it says my phone doesn't support maps... |
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| 18:45.12 | Andy80 | ok, I'll do it |
| 18:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: join h-e-n, /join maemo-hostmode-discussion, read/check/understand the hostmode thread on tmo (at least from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=583165#post583165 to last) |
| 18:46.15 | luke-jr | Tuukka: Maps is included on your N900 |
| 18:46.34 | kerio | but it kinda sucks |
| 18:46.43 | luke-jr | kerio: so it sucks. what else is new? |
| 18:46.54 | kerio | no voice instructions, no searching without data |
| 18:47.08 | luke-jr | kerio: so hire someone to write better navigation software |
| 18:47.17 | kerio | although it's nice that you can point somewhere and ask for the route |
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| 18:47.28 | Tuukka | I know but you should be able to use map loader.... |
| 18:47.33 | kerio | luke-jr: maybe it was me who hired Sygic |
| 18:47.37 | kerio | :P |
| 18:47.39 | luke-jr | wtf is Sygic? |
| 18:47.41 | kerio | Tuukka: you are |
| 18:47.44 | Tuukka | I don't want to use 3g to load the maps |
| 18:47.59 | kerio | download a newer version |
| 18:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you seem to be in a rather foul mood today |
| 18:48.23 | kerio | i have italy here, downloaded with the map loader |
| 18:48.42 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: where'd you get that idea? |
| 18:48.43 | Tuukka | newest ovi suite? |
| 18:48.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: tbh i *am* whiny |
| 18:48.55 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, sygic mobile maps 9 for maemo has offline routing and turn-by-turn voice assisted navigation |
| 18:48.56 | kerio | Tuukka: try searching for updates |
| 18:49.01 | kerio | (on your computer) |
| 18:49.10 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: oh. but it's proprietary. :( |
| 18:49.12 | kerio | ShadowJK: ovi maps has offline routing |
| 18:49.24 | kerio | it doesn't have offline search |
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| 18:53.29 | hno | Tuukka: wifi works fine for loading maps, but you need to browse around the areas you have interest in before disconnecting or it will try downloading them later... |
| 18:54.23 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah yes, I will do that. Thanks |
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| 18:54.43 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Unfortunately I do not use the -devel repos but I will install it manually with just the link to the .deb |
| 18:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 18:57.13 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: How good is that devel version of starhash? Buggy? :D |
| 18:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | just works |
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| 19:00.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: is it optified? :P |
| 19:00.19 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 19:01.16 | luke-jr | btw, why does N900 only report 239 MB RAM? |
| 19:01.23 | luke-jr | where'd the other 17 MB go? |
| 19:02.00 | sheepbat | kernel memory? |
| 19:02.01 | ShadowJK | bets the dsp codecs eat it |
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| 19:02.37 | lcuk | it had a rough night out at the pub and will report in later |
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| 19:35.38 | hno | luke-jr: Mine says 245348 |
| 19:36.05 | hno | which is 239, right... |
| 19:36.12 | jacekowski | luke-jr: check memory map |
| 19:36.13 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 19:36.31 | jacekowski | i'm wondering how do you get a memory map out of it |
| 19:37.27 | hno | otoh my amd64 is "missing" 40MB.. |
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| 19:42.20 | ShadowJK | i think you need to look at the kernel sources to figure out where it goes :) |
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| 21:03.24 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 21:03.35 | timeless_mbp | sub has now run sw eps1..3 and next week it's running 4 |
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| 21:16.23 | luke-jr | 600ã :P |
| 21:17.32 | kerio | there's a MHz character? |
| 21:17.33 | kerio | :o |
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| 21:19.13 | luke-jr | GHz too |
| 21:19.19 | luke-jr | IIRC also KHz |
| 21:19.39 | luke-jr | and ofc ã |
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| 21:19.49 | luke-jr | ã |
| 21:20.00 | luke-jr | ã |
| 21:20.08 | luke-jr | go figure why these are classified as CJK |
| 21:21.29 | zeltak | hya guys.. can anyone help me out with the sdk from http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
| 21:21.40 | luke-jr | mwahaha |
| 21:21.45 | luke-jr | I used xrandr to flip my N900 screen XD |
| 21:22.05 | MohammadAG51 | o.o |
| 21:22.09 | zeltak | i cant seem to get internet going either on the virtual machine or in maemo on xephr |
| 21:22.48 | kerio | luke-jr: with maemo? |
| 21:22.50 | kerio | :o |
| 21:22.55 | luke-jr | kerio: with Gentoo |
| 21:22.57 | luke-jr | well |
| 21:23.02 | kerio | oh |
| 21:23.02 | luke-jr | Maemo is running X |
| 21:23.04 | kerio | you're cheating |
| 21:23.05 | luke-jr | Gentoo has xrandr binary |
| 21:23.08 | kerio | you big cheater |
| 21:23.28 | luke-jr | just build xrandr for Maemo and it will work :P |
| 21:24.19 | luke-jr | surprisingly GLES accel seems to continue working too |
| 21:24.39 | luke-jr | but I suppose it was all designed to |
| 21:24.53 | zeltak | anyone? |
| 21:24.53 | luke-jr | orientation returns to normal after the phone app changes to portait and back |
| 21:27.01 | kerio | luke-jr: so it's not just a kludge? |
| 21:27.03 | kerio | nice |
| 21:27.15 | luke-jr | right, the phone app seems to use it |
| 21:28.00 | luke-jr | hmm, a build kernel source is 1 GB... maybe I *do* want to cross-compile... XD |
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| 22:14.48 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 22:16.50 | luke-jr | lcukn900: it might help if there was an obvious way *to* submit to Maemo news |
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| 22:18.19 | lcukn900 | luke-jr start by going onto planet and talk about your posts and stuff |
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| 22:23.05 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I'm sure I've asked this question before, but I have suffered a parity error. |
| 22:23.13 | SpeedEvil | Was there a FTP sharing plugin? |
| 22:23.18 | SpeedEvil | For photos and stuff |
| 22:23.38 | kerio | there should be |
| 22:23.41 | MohammadAG | ovi |
| 22:23.51 | kerio | not ovi |
| 22:24.01 | MohammadAG | I meant it's on the ovi store |
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| 22:24.25 | lcukn900 | i believe there is |
| 22:24.27 | lcukn900 | sharing-service-ftp - FTP photo, video, audio and file Uploader |
| 22:24.27 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 22:24.28 | MohammadAG | sharing-service-ftp - FTP photo, video, audio and file Uploader |
| 22:24.31 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 22:24.36 | lcukn900 | slow as |
| 22:24.38 | lcukn900 | s |
| 22:25.15 | SpeedEvil | There we go. |
| 22:25.20 | MohammadAG | your fault, /var is on /opt :P |
| 22:25.24 | lcukn900 | moh, you need to get faster |
| 22:25.32 | lcukn900 | mine is there too |
| 22:25.35 | MohammadAG | my eMMC needs to get faster |
| 22:25.41 | lcukn900 | meh |
| 22:26.03 | MohammadAG | lcukn900, maemo-list-user-packages | wc -l |
| 22:26.04 | MohammadAG | now |
| 22:26.05 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:26.34 | luke-jr | lcukn900: ... |
| 22:26.41 | lcukn900 | how in gods name do i do that |
| 22:26.47 | lcukn900 | cannot pipe |
| 22:27.13 | MohammadAG | lol why |
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| 22:27.45 | luke-jr | also, I noticed a post about some FaceBrick GSoC... just wondering: what's the point, when N900 already has a FaceBook client? |
| 22:28.23 | MohammadAG | what client |
| 22:28.26 | SpeedEvil | Native farmville support? |
| 22:28.53 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: FaceBook for N900? |
| 22:29.16 | MohammadAG | that's a stupid broken by design widget that doesn't show shit |
| 22:30.00 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I'm a proud member of "I dont care about your farm, or your fish, or your park, or your mafia!!!" |
| 22:30.06 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: works for me |
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| 22:31.11 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that's broken |
| 22:31.13 | lcukn900 | luke-jr you care enough to join. you are like someone who doesnt have a tv :p |
| 22:31.26 | SpeedEvil | Account setup FTP - then it goes on about pixelpipe |
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| 22:31.37 | SpeedEvil | I want to set it up to go to my ISPs webspace |
| 22:33.24 | MohammadAG | pixelpipe forwards crap |
| 22:33.30 | MohammadAG | ~ping |
| 22:33.30 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:33.40 | MohammadAG | cool, went into standby and I''m still connected |
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| 22:48.29 | asj | luke-jr: the webui isn't great on low bw, and the widget is cute but not a client |
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| 22:48.42 | asj | luke-jr: a nice little app that posts and does basic things is great on the road |
| 22:49.39 | asj | I still want a good twitter client though... |
| 22:52.19 | luke-jr | lcukn900: huh? |
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| 22:58.48 | lcukn900 | luke-jr you said you joined a group to say you didnt care about something. you care more than me lol |
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| 23:05.09 | luke-jr | lcukn900: I care in a negative sense |
| 23:05.19 | luke-jr | it gets annoying to click Ignore every few days |
| 23:05.21 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 23:15.02 | angasule | has anyone tried getting go (the language) in n810? I don't know if it has support :? |
| 23:15.53 | FauxFaux | Isn't it a JVM language? |
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| 23:21.50 | angasule | FauxFaux: no, not at all |
| 23:22.17 | angasule | FauxFaux: one of go's big deals is the speed of the compiler and linker |
| 23:23.12 | SpeedEvil | C isn't inherently slow |
| 23:23.16 | SpeedEvil | http://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html |
| 23:24.10 | mortini_ | b was much faster |
| 23:24.41 | asj | Copyright (c) 2004 Fabrice Bellard -- I see that project caught on |
| 23:25.01 | lcukn900 | speedevil its not arm compat afaik :( |
| 23:25.06 | SpeedEvil | It was clearly just a demo - he's done an _insane_ amount of stuff though. |
| 23:25.13 | SpeedEvil | lcukn900: Fix that then! :) |
| 23:25.14 | lcukn900 | asj fabrice has done many projects |
| 23:25.30 | SpeedEvil | I remember lzexe from back in the day. |
| 23:26.07 | lcukn900 | qemu, tinygl, ffmpeg... |
| 23:26.23 | lcukn900 | the guy knows what hes talking about |
| 23:26.23 | asj | lcukn900: I wasn't insulting the guy ;) |
| 23:26.43 | lcukn900 | nods |
| 23:27.08 | lcukn900 | asj im betting it helped him in many ways |
| 23:27.23 | angasule | SpeedEvil: outright freaky, thanks for the link! |
| 23:27.45 | asj | lcukn900: mmm, yes. it got /.ed and out of the swarm of idiots there are good people |
| 23:27.45 | angasule | I haven't compiled a kernel in ages, though |
| 23:27.55 | angasule | I don't know how long gcc takes to compile the kernel these days |
| 23:28.09 | angasule | last time I tried it, it was ~1 hour, I think |
| 23:28.30 | asj | heh, in 100kb I wonder what tcc error messages are like: "Error line: 145 file.c", "You're fucked" |
| 23:28.40 | lcukn900 | luke-jr how long does it take in gentoo? |
| 23:28.41 | asj | "Error in file" |
| 23:28.49 | SpeedEvil | angasule: Took 3 hours last time. |
| 23:28.54 | SpeedEvil | (thoug htat was on the phone) |
| 23:29.13 | angasule | SpeedEvil: heh I meant on a regular computer, with something like an i5 |
| 23:30.37 | lcukn900 | beds |
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| 23:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | waves at lcukn900 |
| 23:36.55 | Macer | heh. my son cracks me up with this lego batman |
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| 23:54.41 | luke-jr | lcukn900: ? |
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