| 00:00.23 | wiretapped | burns lcuk at the stake |
| 00:01.13 | lcuk | wiretapped, isnt that comment meant to be on twitter in context :P |
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| 00:01.30 | lcuk | bashes head at not getting mojo for submission |
| 00:01.52 | lcuk | im sat here with half a spec |
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| 00:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: what's up with that bq24150 module in your buntkuh image?? |
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| 01:02.24 | SpeedEvil | Hadn't realised quite how hungry 3G was. Discharging in 4h or so plugged into USB. (streaming video) |
| 01:05.15 | asj | SpeedEvil: between video decode, screen backlight and 3g... |
| 01:05.48 | SpeedEvil | naah - streaming over USB |
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| 01:06.16 | asj | ah, charging over usb too? |
| 01:06.22 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:06.30 | asj | damn |
| 01:07.26 | Arkenoi | installing dbus-switchboard was a mistake, it ruined most useful associations and replaced it with useless ones. |
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| 01:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, the figure of 3G = wlan * 3 is more like * 30 |
| 01:14.33 | SpeedEvil | yes - I was meaning worstcase maxing each |
| 01:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Which of course for the same datarate, powersaved, wlan would not. |
| 01:20.00 | luke-jr | mutters |
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| 01:25.59 | peb | is gone. Gone since Thu Jul 15 08:27:00 2010 |
| 01:26.45 | SpeedEvil | is gone. Gone since Boomtime, the 51st day of Confusion in the YOLD 3176. |
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| 01:54.11 | yigal | Bunin and lootin tonight |
| 01:54.17 | yigal | Bunin and lootin tonight |
| 01:54.24 | yigal | to survive |
| 01:54.33 | yigal | bunin all illusions tonight |
| 01:54.34 | LiraNuna | takes out the disco ball |
| 01:54.56 | yigal | I'm drunk let me be, :( |
| 01:55.18 | yigal | oh I see you're helping, sweet |
| 01:55.23 | LiraNuna | \:D/ |
| 01:55.43 | yigal | ya man |
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| 02:00.04 | Macer | those are some pretty awesome machines they used to cap that oil leak :) |
| 02:00.25 | SpeedEvil | They were really disposable mexicans. |
| 02:01.13 | yigal | whales, dolphins, etc |
| 02:01.17 | yigal | mostly Mexicans |
| 02:01.33 | Macer | hahaha |
| 02:01.49 | Macer | you would think bp would have worked to train some dolphins |
| 02:01.50 | Macer | :) |
| 02:02.02 | Macer | dolphins are pretty smart. i bet they would have capped it in 10 minutes |
| 02:02.12 | Macer | and saved the lives of all the people on the rig |
| 02:03.50 | Macer | well. the ones that got blown overboard at least |
| 02:04.06 | yigal | Douglas Adams would agree |
| 02:04.12 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that where is the incentive for the dolphins. |
| 02:04.16 | SpeedEvil | They like fried food. |
| 02:04.30 | Macer | fried fish! |
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| 02:05.06 | yigal | at least it's oily |
| 02:05.26 | yigal | :D |
| 02:13.44 | yigal | was that too uncouth |
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| 02:15.58 | SpeedEvil | I for one welcome our new Dolphin overlords. |
| 02:18.02 | pigeon | hmm, seems to have a bug with modest + nokia messaging when you have extra folder sync other the main inbox, clicking on the new mail notification always bring up a fail dialog saying the mail does not exist or something. |
| 02:19.16 | yigal | what an existential moment |
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| 02:27.37 | ColdFyre | is it me or is the application manager in pr 1.2 slow and does not sort things properly? |
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| 02:35.28 | asj | ColdFyre: install Fast Application Manager |
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| 02:43.05 | sobczyk | asj: what is the package name of this app manager? |
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| 02:44.30 | asj | sobczyk: don't know off the top of my head |
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| 02:44.44 | asj | ah mn, fapman |
| 02:45.12 | asj | it's slow on first load, but it's great after that |
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| 02:52.05 | pigeon | hmm, stupid question, in the n900 calender, there are categories/colors like N900 (blue) and Private (green). Where do I add new ones or edit them? |
| 02:52.49 | ColdFyre | fapman |
| 02:52.55 | ColdFyre | so many jokes could be made |
| 02:53.31 | SpeedEvil | And ahve been. |
| 02:53.38 | asj | pigeon: calendar->settings->Edit Cal |
| 02:53.39 | pigeon | ah, settings, edit calendar. |
| 02:53.42 | pigeon | asj: thanks |
| 02:53.50 | pigeon | i saw it first, it wasn't obvious what that was. |
| 02:55.02 | yigal | well you're king of the mountain you found it first, but your reign means nothing as you didn't understand the wealth you had discovered |
| 02:57.21 | yigal | ough I'm the show stopper, my apologies |
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| 03:52.18 | Pforce | my dropbox client http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3589544/DropN900/dropn900-16-7-2010.png |
| 03:52.21 | Pforce | o/ |
| 03:53.03 | Pforce | i still have to learn py dep packaging to get these into extras-devel |
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| 04:06.10 | asj | Pforce: looks cool |
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| 04:35.59 | Pforce | asj: yeh thanks |
| 04:36.14 | Pforce | posted more to the maemo.org forums |
| 04:36.16 | Pforce | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753509#post753509 |
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| 04:54.03 | RST38h | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0715/doctor-cheney-pulse-heart-operation/ |
| 04:54.09 | RST38h | moos approvingly |
| 04:55.41 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 04:55.57 | asj | he might be a Dick, but I feel sorry for him |
| 04:56.50 | RST38h | Why, they are simply making his construction complete. |
| 04:56.56 | RST38h | Heya Stskeeps, wazd |
| 04:58.03 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: quick, compile fb_text2screen! |
| 04:59.37 | Stskeeps | RST38h: cyborg cheney |
| 05:00.40 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 05:00.41 | infobot | ~pong |
| 05:01.00 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: 7am, not working yet |
| 05:01.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:01.29 | slonopotamus | meh |
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| 05:48.52 | TermanaN900 | yay its come. i am officially a sheep |
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| 05:49.38 | warg | gets the trimmers |
| 05:49.44 | Stskeeps | TermanaN900: congrats! |
| 05:51.13 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: ping |
| 05:51.15 | Macer | a sheep? |
| 05:51.21 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: pong |
| 05:51.28 | TermanaN900 | Stskeeps: thanks! certainly smaller than i thought especially the keyboard |
| 05:51.39 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: we don't have cpu frequency scaling in 2.6.35 and such do we |
| 05:51.46 | Stskeeps | in n8x0 |
| 05:52.12 | luke-jr | dunno :x |
| 05:52.23 | luke-jr | my N810 is booted to diablo right now |
| 05:52.29 | luke-jr | and I'm kinda setup fro N900 kernel stuff atm |
| 05:52.37 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: because i just figured the other day that we might actually be running at lowest cpufreq - at least my kernel has a empty cpufreq directory |
| 05:52.45 | luke-jr | lol |
| 05:53.13 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: and i think there's no DVFS, which doesn't help matters.. |
| 05:53.28 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: what are the current problems w/ kexec btw? |
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| 05:54.00 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: on n900? there's some weird interaction with panel driver that causes dss2 to go amok with dmesg output |
| 05:54.08 | luke-jr | :o |
| 05:55.14 | Stskeeps | in case of reinitialization |
| 05:56.19 | luke-jr | any idea if it's safe to install my new kernel via dd to /dev/mtd3 (with offset 0x800) |
| 05:58.13 | luke-jr | peers at N900's included flasher app... |
| 05:58.19 | luke-jr | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 06:00.01 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: was just pondering the idea of a specialized kernel with bootmenu rootfs, that's all :p |
| 06:00.22 | Stskeeps | you are aware we have initrd on n900? |
| 06:00.25 | luke-jr | self-contained etc |
| 06:00.33 | luke-jr | I'm aware a partition exists. I'm not aware of it being used... |
| 06:00.41 | Stskeeps | it works, we have a rescue initrd thing |
| 06:00.56 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 06:01.16 | luke-jr | *now* someone tells me, after I fought with recovery the other day... XD |
| 06:01.19 | peb | morning folks :-) |
| 06:01.26 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 06:01.29 | luke-jr | ended up getting a kernel to boot Gentoo (for the first time) from where I fixed Maemo |
| 06:01.49 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: can it rescue a broken /sbin/preinit? :p |
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| 06:02.18 | Stskeeps | possibly, but more functionality needed :P |
| 06:02.37 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: why not just make a single kernel image with the rootfs embedded? |
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| 06:03.08 | Stskeeps | initrd's easier |
| 06:03.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:03.14 | luke-jr | I disagree :P |
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| 06:04.38 | TermanaN900 | installing apps is a lot faster on the n900 than the n810 |
| 06:05.12 | TermanaN900 | i should probably stop because i will need to flash to pr 1.2 |
| 06:05.13 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:05.28 | luke-jr | I find N900 app manager rather slow |
| 06:05.30 | luke-jr | but whatever |
| 06:05.36 | Stskeeps | compared to gentoo compiles? |
| 06:05.37 | luke-jr | I flashed my kernel |
| 06:05.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:05.42 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: no :p |
| 06:05.48 | Stskeeps | but yeah |
| 06:05.58 | luke-jr | potentially interesting fact: I flashed a custom kernel to N900 before N810 |
| 06:06.00 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 06:06.00 | Stskeeps | compared to rpm and what i've seen zypper do, app manager/apt is dead slow |
| 06:06.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:06.09 | luke-jr | apt isn't slow... |
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| 06:06.11 | luke-jr | just app manager |
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| 06:06.46 | luke-jr | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1-gcc44 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 15 16:28:33 CDT 2010 armv7l unknown |
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| 06:08.22 | luke-jr | gets to writing a shell script to setup his socksify-http stuff |
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| 06:15.05 | Macer | heh |
| 06:15.34 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr: my n810 sits there for at least 10 minutes saying its updating and doing nothing |
| 06:15.39 | Macer | i think it is slow too |
| 06:15.45 | TermanaN900 | the n900 goes straight in for me |
| 06:16.53 | pigeon | on the n900, if i have the gps enabled in the settings, but no apps is using the gps, is the gps powered off? |
| 06:17.10 | luke-jr | pigeon: if the GPS isn't in the status area, it's off |
| 06:17.20 | pigeon | cool, thanks. |
| 06:17.32 | Macer | the gps seems a little meh |
| 06:17.54 | Macer | like geotagging photos for me doesnt seem to work that well |
| 06:18.11 | Stskeeps | geotagging is kinda shit |
| 06:18.50 | Macer | it also seems to take forever for a lock |
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| 06:19.03 | Macer | and ovi maps is kind of horrible |
| 06:19.10 | Stskeeps | i bought sygic, fairly happy with it |
| 06:19.34 | Macer | believe it or not. google nav was awesome on my g1 |
| 06:19.37 | Macer | :) |
| 06:19.44 | Macer | it did a great job |
| 06:20.10 | luke-jr | there |
| 06:20.30 | luke-jr | 16 line shell script to force all outbound connections on port 80, 443, or 6667 over GPRS into a SOCKS proxy |
| 06:20.36 | luke-jr | (also spawns ssh with -D) |
| 06:21.40 | luke-jr | unfortunately, I am learning why T-Mobile claims they don't have service here |
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| 06:21.44 | luke-jr | coverage kinda sucks |
| 06:22.04 | luke-jr | and today when I had 3.5G, it didn't work well enough for SIP :( |
| 06:22.21 | Macer | no. it is because what you are doing doesnt work |
| 06:22.36 | Macer | skype works pretty good over 3G |
| 06:22.42 | luke-jr | Macer: it works fine at home |
| 06:22.49 | Macer | liar! |
| 06:22.53 | luke-jr | just not with T-Mobile's not so great coverage out and about |
| 06:22.54 | Macer | :) |
| 06:23.36 | Macer | going to install meego next week and see where it is |
| 06:24.09 | Macer | i suppose all that matters is that nokia provides the hardware support and ditches maemo altogether |
| 06:24.14 | Macer | :) |
| 06:24.44 | LiraNuna | <Macer> skype works pretty good over 3G |
| 06:24.45 | LiraNuna | <3 |
| 06:24.50 | Macer | after the n900 they probably will only use qt based symbian for all their stuff |
| 06:25.23 | Macer | LiraNuna: yeah. it is great |
| 06:25.38 | LiraNuna | SF bay area is flooded with 3.5G, but all I get is ~100kbps |
| 06:25.40 | Macer | i used like 10 mins of actual phone minutes last month :) |
| 06:25.51 | LiraNuna | Macer, yeah, same |
| 06:26.06 | Macer | i am wondering how long that will last |
| 06:26.09 | LiraNuna | I love the skype integration |
| 06:26.20 | LiraNuna | Macer, you just took the words out of my mouth |
| 06:26.20 | Macer | im sure tmob will screw everybody over soon enough |
| 06:26.37 | Macer | heh |
| 06:26.47 | Macer | i was happy it grabbed all my skype contacts |
| 06:26.47 | LiraNuna | I was thinking more of Meego |
| 06:26.55 | Stskeeps | Macer: actually they are ditching symbian on anything N-series for meego |
| 06:26.56 | Macer | that was a surprise |
| 06:27.11 | Macer | Stskeeps: so they say :) |
| 06:27.23 | Macer | looks at the N8 |
| 06:27.35 | LiraNuna | N8 is last to use Symbian |
| 06:27.50 | Macer | i will believe it when i see it :) |
| 06:28.18 | Macer | symbian looks nice tho |
| 06:28.23 | Macer | the n8 symbian does |
| 06:28.38 | Macer | they changed it quite a bit |
| 06:29.42 | luke-jr | Skype sucks |
| 06:30.04 | Macer | luke-jr: to each their own. i love it |
| 06:30.27 | Macer | $2/month for phone service suits me |
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| 06:30.48 | Macer | i mean. it is voice :) as long as i can talk i am happy |
| 06:31.14 | Macer | i even got the house cordless handsets a couple of years ago |
| 06:31.15 | luke-jr | then get a dumb phone |
| 06:31.37 | Macer | when vonage is making people pay $25+ for what skype offers |
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| 06:31.45 | Macer | what a racket |
| 06:31.57 | luke-jr | Vonage is just a leech |
| 06:32.04 | Macer | so is skype |
| 06:32.06 | Macer | hahaha |
| 06:32.09 | luke-jr | yes, Skype leeches from YOU |
| 06:32.17 | Macer | but i dont care. i pay $2/month |
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| 06:32.23 | luke-jr | Vonage leeches from you too, but a bit more obviously |
| 06:32.28 | Macer | haha |
| 06:32.34 | luke-jr | Macer: $2/mo + giving skype control of your computer |
| 06:32.39 | Macer | er |
| 06:32.43 | Macer | of my n900? |
| 06:32.45 | luke-jr | yes |
| 06:32.47 | luke-jr | Skype is a virus |
| 06:32.50 | Macer | and cordless phones? |
| 06:32.52 | Macer | lol |
| 06:32.54 | Macer | ok |
| 06:33.19 | Macer | the phones have a base that connects right into my switch |
| 06:33.25 | luke-jr | though I presume N900 version is minus the virus part |
| 06:33.35 | luke-jr | Macer: packet sniff it |
| 06:33.40 | Macer | :) i can deal with the base being infected |
| 06:33.47 | Macer | haha |
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| 06:33.49 | luke-jr | normal Skype at least will hijack your connection |
| 06:34.02 | Macer | and do what? |
| 06:34.07 | Macer | send spam? :) |
| 06:34.09 | luke-jr | and use your paid for bandwidth |
| 06:34.13 | luke-jr | for other people's calls |
| 06:34.25 | luke-jr | and who knows what else |
| 06:34.30 | luke-jr | nobody since Skype encrypts it all |
| 06:34.31 | Macer | lol |
| 06:34.41 | Macer | mmmmmkay |
| 06:35.08 | Macer | well. i am not noticing any extra pkts |
| 06:35.22 | Macer | and i watched my ddwrt charts.. traffic is normal |
| 06:35.29 | luke-jr | ponders stuffing telepathy-spirit into a VE |
| 06:35.45 | luke-jr | Macer: like I said, telepathy-spirit is presumably not vulnerable |
| 06:35.58 | Macer | and for $2/month.. they can take a measley 64kbit of bandwidth |
| 06:36.00 | Macer | lol |
| 06:36.00 | luke-jr | Nokia's not dumb enough to let Skype hijack 3G connections IMO |
| 06:36.15 | luke-jr | 64kbit is quite a bit when your ISP caps you at 5 GB |
| 06:36.32 | luke-jr | even 56kbit dialup can do over 5 GB |
| 06:37.17 | Kegetys | it would be quite crazy if mobile skype would do that |
| 06:38.26 | luke-jr | my guess: Skype collects royalties from Nokia for a virus-free integrated version |
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| 07:12.55 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ping |
| 07:14.11 | jacekowski | morning |
| 07:14.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you there? |
| 07:14.45 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: where is the spec? |
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| 07:28.36 | wazd | RST38h: o/ |
| 07:29.23 | Termana | Heh, maybe its just me - but is there a reason why the N900 sometimes won't charge with the power cable but will with the usb cable? |
| 07:30.03 | doc|home | buggered power cable? |
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| 07:30.45 | Termana | doc|home, only got it today, so I hope not |
| 07:31.08 | doc|home | Termana: what colour is the led when you plug it in? |
| 07:31.25 | Termana | doc|home, no led colour |
| 07:31.33 | X-Fade | Termana: Original charger? |
| 07:31.38 | doc|home | looks like it's the charger then |
| 07:31.44 | Termana | X-Fade, yep |
| 07:32.21 | Termana | Could it not be getting enough power if its on a power board? (6 plug power board) |
| 07:33.26 | X-Fade | Termana: So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't? |
| 07:33.39 | doc|home | X-Fade: possily |
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| 07:34.04 | doc|home | bah, I'm not following this well enough. night |
| 07:34.43 | Termana | X-Fade, hmm, I think I know what the problem is |
| 07:35.04 | X-Fade | Termana: USB connector EOL :) |
| 07:35.11 | Termana | X-Fade, overseas model, so I'm using a travel charger. It seems to be loose |
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| 07:36.01 | Termana | X-Fade, ha ha, please do not curse me with the USB connector curse :P |
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| 07:50.47 | exomondo | @x-fade because the n900 uses microusb some 'dumb' charges wont negotiate a voltage so it wont charge |
| 07:51.19 | Jaffa | exomondo: That's because they don't follow the USB charging spec. You've got to short the middle two pins. |
| 07:51.53 | Jaffa | exomondo: I've bought an external portable charger (tried a few) and have to do that. Wish I could buy a stubby USB A male/female adapter cable which did that shorting. |
| 07:53.49 | exomondo | ah right |
| 07:56.37 | RST38h | moorning. |
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| 08:07.50 | BCMM | Jaffa: would be cool, but in theory chargers that won't negotiate or short D+ to D- are claiming to be low-current, and presumably a few actually will destroy themselves |
| 08:08.27 | BCMM | it seems improbable, but i suppose you could have a very poorly designed one that could provide exactly as much current as the device it came with can draw |
| 08:10.28 | D-Iivil_Work | Somebody help me please: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753613#post753613 |
| 08:10.29 | D-Iivil_Work | :) |
| 08:11.09 | X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: You should see some changelog show up for your packages soon ;) |
| 08:11.21 | D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, let me see :) Just uploaded a new package :) |
| 08:11.44 | Jaffa | BCMM: Presumably as long as you checked the output current for the charger (or its claimed output current, anyway); it should be fine... |
| 08:11.46 | D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, cool! |
| 08:11.47 | X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: I'm currently running an import round against everything in extas-devel. |
| 08:11.54 | BCMM | Jaffa: of course |
| 08:13.28 | D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, thanks for fixing that :) |
| 08:14.07 | D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, seems like still the latest upload didn't update the changes: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.107/ |
| 08:18.44 | X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: No, live update still has issues. The import will fix this later. |
| 08:21.49 | D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, okay. Cool. |
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| 08:45.25 | ham5 | gconftool -s -t int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval -NUMBERINMINUTES- |
| 08:45.35 | ham5 | set the minutes to check to like 90000000000 ;) |
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| 09:22.53 | alterego | wonders why ubuntu/gnome don't have decent bluetooth gsm modem support. |
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| 09:26.45 | RZ | Hi is it just me or does the last version of maemo make N900 slower? |
| 09:28.12 | haj | It's just you.. |
| 09:28.13 | alterego | RZ just you I think :P |
| 09:28.35 | alterego | I found it noticably snappier, did you to OTA update of reflash? |
| 09:29.19 | alterego | has just woken up, excuse the poor typing/spelling etc :D |
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| 09:33.28 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ping? |
| 09:33.33 | alterego | I wonder what the results of Apples crash meeting yesterday were. |
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| 09:35.59 | ham5 | feel asleep with my n900 woke up and it was froze I couldent get the screen on... pluged it into the charger and the charge led came on... I ended up having to remove the battery and boot it back up |
| 09:36.27 | ham5 | could I have done something else to reboot or find out what caused it? |
| 09:36.58 | mgedmin | you could've held down the power button |
| 09:37.07 | ham5 | dindt do anything |
| 09:37.08 | mgedmin | that would turn it off (or on if it was already off) |
| 09:37.27 | alterego | Sometimes that doesn't work, I've had mine lock a couple of times. |
| 09:37.38 | mgedmin | there was once a wlan bug that caused very heavy swapping, so much that turning it off took like 3 minutes |
| 09:37.43 | mgedmin | but it's been fixed |
| 09:37.57 | mgedmin | I've ssh on my n900 |
| 09:38.05 | mgedmin | if it's not responsive, I try to ssh in and see what's happening |
| 09:38.07 | ham5 | sit there and hold the power button for 3min ? |
| 09:38.09 | mgedmin | top, dmesg, vmstat |
| 09:38.24 | ham5 | thats a good idea |
| 09:38.24 | mgedmin | no, I think I held the power button for the required 5 secs |
| 09:38.31 | mgedmin | and then waited 3 minutes for it to shut down |
| 09:38.36 | alterego | This is more like a crash of some kind. It's especially cool when it happens in the middle of a transition :) |
| 09:38.39 | SpeedEvil | holding in power button for over 10s should work |
| 09:39.14 | SpeedEvil | I think 10s requires some of the watchdogs to have failed - 5s is still software |
| 09:39.21 | SpeedEvil | not completely sure though |
| 09:39.26 | SpeedEvil | ssh in is good |
| 09:39.42 | alterego | Oh, okay, I'll try to be more investigatory next time :D |
| 09:40.01 | ham5 | when the crap shouldent of happened in the first place tho ;) |
| 09:40.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 09:40.28 | ham5 | whats a good maemo uptime? ;) |
| 09:40.47 | SpeedEvil | I typically go a week or two |
| 09:41.08 | SpeedEvil | I sometimes get it into a state where it won't login to my wireless network for some reason or other |
| 09:41.12 | SpeedEvil | so reboot |
| 09:41.29 | SpeedEvil | I should in principle debug it - but ICD being in the way makes that almost impractical |
| 09:42.08 | ham5 | implantable cardioverter-defibrillator? |
| 09:42.18 | alterego | I usually reboot every two days or so |
| 09:42.19 | SpeedEvil | Internet Connection Daemon |
| 09:42.26 | alterego | Just to keep it quick :) |
| 09:42.35 | SpeedEvil | It's the bit of closed-source stuff that handles connections |
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| 09:49.56 | Myrtti | ohai |
| 09:50.17 | T-Co | Hello. (I didn't google yet anything) I did apt-get dist-upgrade to my N900 and now it keeps rebooting. Is there something I can do to recover from this? |
| 09:50.34 | ham5 | reflash |
| 09:50.34 | SpeedEvil | Flash it. |
| 09:50.44 | T-Co | Do I need windows to do it? |
| 09:50.47 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 09:50.50 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 09:50.51 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:50.51 | T-Co | Awesome. |
| 09:50.54 | T-Co | Thanks. |
| 09:50.57 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 09:51.08 | SpeedEvil | Dist-upgrade is usually bad AIUI |
| 09:51.19 | SpeedEvil | It sometimes has worked in the past |
| 09:51.47 | SpeedEvil | But the boot scripts are not designed to be robust in the face of changing versions forex |
| 09:52.14 | T-Co | oh |
| 09:55.14 | RZ | #alterego It was updated for me in factory in Finland :) |
| 10:00.50 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 10:02.27 | T-Co | It says here that I first need to flash FIASCO and then eMMC. Where can I get the FIASCO image? |
| 10:03.16 | ham5 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 10:03.21 | ham5 | for the n900 |
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| 10:04.01 | T-Co | ham5, I can only see eMMC images there, should the FIASCO image be there too? |
| 10:04.12 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:04.26 | jacekowski | "cC#cC |
| 10:04.28 | jacekowski | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin |
| 10:04.31 | jacekowski | that's fiasco image |
| 10:04.38 | T-Co | aha |
| 10:05.19 | jacekowski | does sticking n900 into an x-ray voids a warranty? |
| 10:05.25 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: airports.. |
| 10:05.33 | jacekowski | high powered x-ray? |
| 10:05.39 | Stskeeps | they don't have to know that |
| 10:05.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:05.40 | alterego | Almost got my scratchbox VM setup ... |
| 10:05.58 | jacekowski | btw. i had question for you |
| 10:06.03 | jacekowski | 00:15 < jacekowski> Stskeeps: do you have mj-174? |
| 10:06.12 | Stskeeps | a what? |
| 10:06.31 | Stskeeps | no, i don't believe it's called that |
| 10:06.31 | jacekowski | l3_l4 manual |
| 10:06.34 | jacekowski | page |
| 10:06.43 | jacekowski | let me check |
| 10:06.51 | Stskeeps | what is it supposed to do? |
| 10:07.09 | jacekowski | p29 |
| 10:07.45 | jacekowski | MJ-174 can be used for flashing as well as for RF, battery and system testing |
| 10:07.47 | Stskeeps | wiki's down and i dont have it at hand |
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| 10:07.55 | Stskeeps | nm |
| 10:08.44 | alterego | They really are late with the harmattan SDK this year. |
| 10:08.53 | alterego | Must be doing a lot of work on it .. |
| 10:10.15 | Robot101 | rewriting over half of everything? :P |
| 10:10.18 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/N900_RX-51_SM_L3_4.pdf |
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| 10:16.13 | IcanCU | will there be a meago device this year? |
| 10:16.45 | X-Fade | No. |
| 10:17.01 | X-Fade | There won't be any 'meago' devices ever. |
| 10:17.13 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 10:17.14 | X-Fade | MeeGo ones, well that is more probable :) |
| 10:17.16 | toggles_w | what??????????/ |
| 10:17.18 | alterego | Hah |
| 10:17.19 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, pong |
| 10:17.51 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: perl-modules landed in SSU repo ;) |
| 10:17.59 | MohammadAG51 | yay :D |
| 10:18.07 | X-Fade | I removed it from non-free. |
| 10:18.10 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, thanks a mil :) |
| 10:18.24 | IcanCU | ok |
| 10:18.39 | X-Fade | Will index the repos later today, so the interface shows it properly too, |
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| 10:18.48 | X-Fade | But first.. lunch :) |
| 10:18.49 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: 23:39 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: o.O (bq24150 module included in image) http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu |
| 10:19.00 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: bq24150 module included in image? |
| 10:19.01 | SyncA | hi all |
| 10:19.08 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: where did it came from and etc? |
| 10:19.11 | kthomas_vh | 'ello |
| 10:19.25 | IcanCU | how come this is such a busy chanel? isn;t maemo legacy? |
| 10:19.35 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, matan |
| 10:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 10:19.52 | kthomas_vh | neglects to feed the troll |
| 10:19.57 | X-Fade | IcanCU: maemo is present. Meego is future. |
| 10:20.19 | IcanCU | true... |
| 10:20.27 | IcanCU | but that doesn't explain it all |
| 10:20.41 | X-Fade | IcanCU: Buy a MeeGo phone now then? |
| 10:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: 42 |
| 10:21.00 | lcuk | 42 what? |
| 10:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | IcanCU: 42 |
| 10:21.11 | MohammadAG51 | bottles of beer on the wall? |
| 10:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry etab |
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| 10:22.17 | lcuk | inserts a small frals in DocScrutinizer's ear |
| 10:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so are we going to care about matan? |
| 10:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | or do we say 'screwit, google couldn't find it' |
| 10:23.59 | kerio | MohammadAG51: is gnome usable on the n900? |
| 10:24.27 | SyncA | I have this problem where half the time I end up rejecting calls because the screen flips and I accidently push the wrong button, wich appears where the answer button normally sits. can anybody relate? |
| 10:24.52 | kerio | SyncA: i don't receive calls |
| 10:24.53 | toggles_w | lol, me too |
| 10:24.58 | SpeedEvil | SyncA: there is/was an open bug on that. |
| 10:25.01 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, yes, when the mouse pointer works properly |
| 10:25.03 | SyncA | kerio lol |
| 10:25.25 | SpeedEvil | But for me the existing solution works exactly 100% of the time. |
| 10:25.42 | SpeedEvil | For all 1 of my inbound calls. |
| 10:25.52 | MohammadAG51 | I sometimes reach for the red button |
| 10:25.53 | SyncA | speedevil, ok thanks, can/should I contribute to that? |
| 10:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as you receive exactly 0 calls |
| 10:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | oh 1 |
| 10:26.27 | SyncA | and that existing solution is? |
| 10:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | SyncA: patience |
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| 10:26.50 | jacekowski | matan? |
| 10:26.53 | jacekowski | what'a matan? |
| 10:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | SyncA: anticipate the pending transition, and wait until it finished |
| 10:27.06 | MohammadAG51 | i backported the new hildon-desktop |
| 10:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: exactly :-P |
| 10:27.34 | MohammadAG51 | it fixes some call rotation crap |
| 10:27.44 | kerio | or set the telephone to "landscape only" |
| 10:27.56 | MohammadAG51 | what if you're using portrait :P |
| 10:28.07 | kerio | set it to portrait only |
| 10:28.17 | MohammadAG51 | what if you're using landscape :P |
| 10:28.32 | SyncA | docs indeed, I try to, doesn't work all the time;) |
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| 10:29.22 | SyncA | what if you want it to switch? ;) |
| 10:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | SyncA: so let's go UX-guys-bashing |
| 10:29.41 | jacekowski | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/n900/bq27x00_battery.c |
| 10:29.51 | jacekowski | i could mod that and use that for fuel gauge |
| 10:29.53 | MohammadAG51 | yes, there should've been send/end buttons |
| 10:30.09 | SyncA | I'm not the bashing type of guy |
| 10:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: err wut? |
| 10:30.38 | SpeedEvil | caveat with that code is that the battery instastantaenous current is reported in units of 3.57/20mA |
| 10:30.41 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: |
| 10:30.58 | SpeedEvil | and it only breaks out raw percentage, not more useful figures |
| 10:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 10:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | how odd |
| 10:31.05 | SpeedEvil | you want at least capacity |
| 10:31.21 | RZ | What happened to the game Under the steel sky? |
| 10:31.28 | jacekowski | well, i still need charger chip driver |
| 10:31.34 | jacekowski | so i'll do that |
| 10:31.39 | jacekowski | and then bother about fuel gauge |
| 10:31.39 | kerio | RZ: it sucks |
| 10:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | wtf, go openmoko sourcetree and fetch the bq27000 driver there |
| 10:31.45 | RZ | It was in the repos and now it is missing. |
| 10:31.56 | RZ | I quite liked it. |
| 10:32.02 | alterego | "Under a steel sky" I realy liked it. |
| 10:32.03 | jacekowski | hmm, i've enabled comments on my "blog" |
| 10:32.07 | jacekowski | and now i regret it |
| 10:32.07 | alterego | Would prefer flashback though tbh .. |
| 10:32.09 | kerio | and it's not under |
| 10:32.10 | kerio | it's beneath |
| 10:32.20 | kerio | beneath a steel sky |
| 10:32.23 | alterego | Oh yeah, "Beneath a steel sky" :) |
| 10:32.25 | jacekowski | i want to test. |
| 10:32.32 | jacekowski | i need chrome |
| 10:32.39 | jacekowski | I want to quote your post in my blog. It can? |
| 10:32.40 | jacekowski | And you et an account on Twitter? |
| 10:32.57 | alterego | Still prefered flashback |
| 10:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you'd think there should be a bq24150.c driver in http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/ |
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| 10:33.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nothing there |
| 10:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 10:34.00 | jacekowski | i'll make my own |
| 10:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | what is a matan? anyway |
| 10:34.10 | RZ | Yeah sorry. It has been a a while since I last played it. I finished it but now it is missing from the repos. Together with some other programs. |
| 10:34.18 | jacekowski | i think it's who |
| 10:34.28 | SyncA | ok, gonna leave it in landscape, (it was set in portrait only mode, so that's not the solution) |
| 10:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yup! wait a little. Sorry for me being late like always. you'll get the specs in a short while |
| 10:34.53 | SyncA | thanks guys, gonna leave you to it |
| 10:34.58 | SyncA | bye |
| 10:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (who) no, what. on purpose |
| 10:35.22 | kerio | jacekowski: oh, you have a repo now |
| 10:35.22 | kerio | cool |
| 10:36.22 | kerio | hmm |
| 10:36.38 | kerio | can i just apt-get remove hildon-update-notifier or something? |
| 10:38.00 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:38.04 | jacekowski | it's just a notifier |
| 10:39.04 | MohammadAG51 | votes to burn mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 10:40.28 | kerio | setting a huge autoupdate interval is a ugly hack |
| 10:41.55 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, purge the app manager :P |
| 10:43.09 | kerio | hmm |
| 10:43.21 | kerio | apt-get remove apt* dpkg* |
| 10:43.28 | kerio | GEE I WONDER WHAT COULD GO WRONG |
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| 10:44.07 | jacekowski | isn't that update called from alarmd |
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| 10:46.10 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, nothing, you'd have to go gentoo-ish though |
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| 11:06.44 | kerio | is the update-notifier/check_interval relative to the boot time? |
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| 11:07.08 | kerio | or the last update time? |
| 11:07.30 | kerio | because if so, i can reliably set it to a couple of years - i'll definetely check for updates more often than that |
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| 11:11.21 | TMM | Does anyone here have a suggestion for a good case for the N900? |
| 11:12.27 | kerio | hmm |
| 11:13.28 | ham5 | I just got a good screen protector for mine |
| 11:14.02 | SpeedEvil | I got a bad one from ebay - case |
| 11:14.09 | SpeedEvil | but it was 5 pounds for 3 |
| 11:14.12 | SpeedEvil | so it works for me |
| 11:14.20 | kerio | i bought it used, it has one, but i removed it |
| 11:14.35 | SpeedEvil | a screen protector? |
| 11:14.52 | kerio | yeah |
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| 11:15.04 | SpeedEvil | I'd recommend using one personally |
| 11:15.07 | SpeedEvil | they are very cheap |
| 11:15.08 | kerio | screen protectors suck |
| 11:15.08 | kerio | :( |
| 11:15.12 | SpeedEvil | Sure |
| 11:15.18 | SpeedEvil | the screen is, however plastic |
| 11:15.19 | ham5 | heard the n900 scratches easy |
| 11:15.33 | SpeedEvil | though it may be somewhat scratch resistant, accidents happen |
| 11:15.42 | MohammadAG51 | the screen yes, the device, not really |
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| 11:16.04 | MohammadAG51 | i like to refer to that as shit® happens |
| 11:16.04 | SpeedEvil | For example, I went gardening, and put the seccateurs in the wrong pocket and bent down and up a couple of hundred times |
| 11:16.08 | kerio | ham5: once it's too ruined to use reliably, buy another cover |
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| 11:16.30 | SpeedEvil | Replacing the cover is _not_ risk free |
| 11:16.33 | kerio | SpeedEvil: did the screen scratch? |
| 11:16.46 | SpeedEvil | I had a screen protector. |
| 11:16.58 | SpeedEvil | It was nearly opaque over 1/4 of the surface |
| 11:17.07 | kerio | :( |
| 11:17.11 | SpeedEvil | screen was pristine though. |
| 11:17.13 | kerio | why? |
| 11:17.27 | SpeedEvil | becase a couple of hundred deep scratches will do that |
| 11:18.07 | kerio | i have a couple of scratches on the screen as of now |
| 11:18.14 | kerio | only one was made by me thoughh |
| 11:19.10 | SpeedEvil | It depends on how you se the device - if you are not in a gritty environment, and don't ever have it outside of a pocket where you never, ever put anything else, and use it with fingers only - maybe. |
| 11:19.17 | alterego | scratchbox installed ... |
| 11:20.41 | TMM | a screen protector is one of those extra pieces of plastic that you tape over the screen, right? |
| 11:20.46 | kerio | SpeedEvil: i'm going to the beach daily :3 |
| 11:20.58 | MohammadAG51 | tape isn't a good word |
| 11:20.59 | alterego | TMM: you don't tape them .... |
| 11:21.02 | kerio | TMM: yup |
| 11:21.11 | TMM | well, sticks, whatever |
| 11:21.16 | TMM | I don't like those much |
| 11:21.17 | MohammadAG51 | doesn't stick |
| 11:21.31 | kerio | SpeedEvil: can't i just change the cover when it's too damaged instead of putting another one over this one? |
| 11:21.39 | MohammadAG51 | i've scrubbed (yes, scrubbed) mine on the "sticky" part many times |
| 11:21.52 | kerio | what are the risks? |
| 11:22.12 | MohammadAG51 | changing the whole faceplate? |
| 11:22.22 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Is there a nice way to quit fronzen bubble btw? |
| 11:22.25 | kerio | MohammadAG51: sure, why not |
| 11:22.56 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, comma button, sadly no esc on the N900 |
| 11:22.56 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, heh, ask DocScrutinizer |
| 11:23.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: question |
| 11:23.07 | SpeedEvil | kerio: DocScrutinizer managed to brick his device doing this |
| 11:23.14 | kerio | wait, what |
| 11:23.17 | SpeedEvil | kerio: the connector is quite fragile |
| 11:23.21 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: How about adding it to 'q' or backspace? ;) |
| 11:23.24 | kerio | :( |
| 11:23.41 | kerio | i'll send it to nokia then |
| 11:24.00 | TMM | I'll just get the official nokia n900 pouch thingy then |
| 11:24.09 | TMM | I'll cut a hole in it for the jack |
| 11:24.10 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, backspace and q are needed for typing the name in highscores :( |
| 11:24.31 | MohammadAG51 | i hate cases |
| 11:24.57 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-CASE-COVER-SKIN-SHELL-NOKIA-N900-/140424671640?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item20b1f67198 I have |
| 11:25.07 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Overlay a big X in the corner? :) Where there is nothing anyway? |
| 11:25.17 | SpeedEvil | For me - cases arealmost mandaroty |
| 11:25.27 | SpeedEvil | they add some protection when dropped |
| 11:25.44 | kerio | why would you drop it |
| 11:25.47 | kerio | :| |
| 11:25.48 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, hmm, good point |
| 11:25.51 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, shit happens |
| 11:28.05 | kerio | let's add extra cases to everything! |
| 11:28.15 | kerio | i need to buy a case for my tv, in case it drops |
| 11:28.59 | TMM | well, for a phone I think it's a bit more reasonable than a TV :P |
| 11:29.11 | kerio | TMM: well, the n900 is not a phone |
| 11:29.13 | kerio | XD |
| 11:29.14 | TMM | I don't accidentally put my keys in the same pocket as my tv |
| 11:29.36 | MohammadAG51 | TMM, you put your TV in a pocket? :P |
| 11:29.56 | TMM | MohammadAG51, no, that's kind of the point of my little sarcastic remark ;) |
| 11:30.10 | MohammadAG51 | TMM, you missed the sarcasm :P |
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| 11:30.26 | TMM | anyway, I got that nokia n900 pouch, at least it LOOKS nice :P |
| 11:30.44 | kerio | ok, 10 years between each autoupdate |
| 11:30.53 | MohammadAG51 | yay, found a 37" screen protector |
| 11:30.56 | kerio | it still feels like a ugly hack though |
| 11:31.22 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, now overclock your device so it dies in less than a year |
| 11:31.30 | kerio | awesome |
| 11:31.38 | MohammadAG51 | -> no autoupdate |
| 11:31.39 | TMM | you can overclock the n900? |
| 11:31.40 | kerio | i solve both the autoupdate *and* the scratching problem this way |
| 11:31.50 | TMM | why would you want to do that? it seems plenty fast to me |
| 11:31.53 | kerio | TMM: yup |
| 11:32.00 | ham5 | 1g plenty faster tho ;) |
| 11:32.05 | SpeedEvil | kerio: I have accidentally thrown my n900 across the room once, and dropped it 3 or 4 times now. |
| 11:32.17 | kerio | SpeedEvil: hahaha you *threw* your n900 |
| 11:32.22 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, accidentally thrown? |
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| 11:32.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:32.26 | kerio | how can you accidentally throw something |
| 11:32.26 | MohammadAG51 | TMM, if you're a (Nokia) murderer I don't see why you wouldn't do it |
| 11:32.27 | lcuk | playing n900fly? |
| 11:32.37 | TMM | yeah, the battery life is already SO great why NOT overclock? ;) |
| 11:32.51 | SpeedEvil | You put it down on the blanket in your bed, and forget about it, and then flip the blanket off, to get up |
| 11:33.10 | TMM | SpeedEvil, I've launched many a remote that way :P |
| 11:33.15 | MohammadAG51 | was n900fly running? |
| 11:33.19 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:33.22 | lcuk | TMM, sarcasm gets you nowhere, the battery life is impressive and gotten better and better with each update |
| 11:33.30 | kerio | SpeedEvil: well, my mother's 8310 survived a... 20mt drop |
| 11:33.31 | lcuk | lol SpeedEvil |
| 11:33.50 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, tracy once almost knocked me out by "nudging" a chocolate bar on the bed |
| 11:34.00 | lcuk | she nudged it so hard it flew in similar manner |
| 11:34.10 | kerio | and by survived i mean it worked flawlessy afterwards |
| 11:34.13 | kerio | without a single scratch |
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| 11:34.22 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, although battery life is better, it doesn't last a day |
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| 11:34.34 | kerio | i want a 8310-sized n900 with the same battery duration :( |
| 11:34.37 | MohammadAG51 | first bar gone |
| 11:34.57 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, hmm? |
| 11:34.58 | SpeedEvil | kerio: 3? - certainly 2 - people here have come with complaints that their emmc has failed after a drop |
| 11:35.00 | lcuk | works for me |
| 11:35.15 | lcuk | looks at 3 n900s and wonders which will drain battery first |
| 11:35.18 | SpeedEvil | 20m onto what? |
| 11:35.23 | kerio | concrete |
| 11:35.52 | SpeedEvil | funky. |
| 11:35.54 | kerio | 20m is enough to reach terminal velocity |
| 11:35.55 | MohammadAG51 | damn middle east, can't find a BH-214 :/ |
| 11:35.58 | SpeedEvil | It's not |
| 11:36.02 | kerio | oh |
| 11:36.09 | SpeedEvil | not for something relatively dense like a phone |
| 11:36.23 | kerio | good point |
| 11:36.26 | kerio | it was also incredibly small |
| 11:36.31 | kerio | (it was light though) |
| 11:36.36 | MohammadAG51 | hands kerio a physics book |
| 11:36.45 | SpeedEvil | it may be somewhat slowed down though |
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| 11:39.58 | dotblank | the battery life on my phone is insaine |
| 11:40.12 | dotblank | I just forget to charge it now.... |
| 11:40.20 | dotblank | I used to always charge it |
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| 11:44.24 | lcuk | dotblank, still not sussed it :P |
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| 11:55.21 | TMM | lcuk, I'd call the battery life 'pretty good' considering the features of the device. But 'good' when it comes to mobile phones, not really. |
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| 11:57.16 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 11:57.46 | SpeedEvil | Leave it idle, wifi off, waiting for calls and not doing anything more, and it can get close to a week |
| 11:57.55 | lcuk | tmm compare like for like, sure we have not yet got to the heady days of battery life measured in weeks (as the n810 has!) |
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| 11:58.08 | lcuk | lol SpeedEvil |
| 11:59.01 | SpeedEvil | It should be able to get over a week, with the right settings - but the default setup does not support suspend properly, and wakes the device |
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| 12:06.30 | kerio | SpeedEvil: over a weeek is what a dumbphone gets in full usage |
| 12:06.51 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 12:07.08 | SpeedEvil | Their screens tend to be _lots_ lower power though |
| 12:07.13 | lcuk | kerio, then get a dumbphone |
| 12:07.21 | lcuk | likes having power to make magic |
| 12:07.33 | kerio | SpeedEvil: my laptop lasts longer |
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| 12:07.56 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 12:07.57 | lcuk | kerio, your laptop also has a bigger battery |
| 12:09.14 | kerio | lcuk: but a way bigger screen, and the cpu takes more power |
| 12:09.59 | lcuk | kerio, get a mugen battery |
| 12:10.26 | psycho_oreos | just get extra power :) it keeps your device charging without having to swap out batteries |
| 12:10.43 | alterego | I was thinking, with a mugen battery, you could just use the normal battery but use their custom back plate to allow for more space to stick something like, a digital compass or some other hardware :) |
| 12:11.04 | lcuk | sure alterego if its held in place |
| 12:11.14 | alterego | Something that attaches to the serial port maybe .. |
| 12:11.20 | lcuk | i noticed inside n900 thers a strange almost appendixish blanking plate |
| 12:11.42 | lcuk | (see teardown vids) |
| 12:12.32 | alterego | Right, installing a 32bit ubuntu 10.04 for Nokia Qt SDK so I can use that Qt 4.7 prerelease :) |
| 12:12.43 | alterego | I want to work on a Maemo 5 media player that uses Qt Quick ... |
| 12:12.47 | psycho_oreos | hmm I need to go check to see if there's hirose u.fl on the n900 :D |
| 12:12.47 | alterego | To make it slick .. |
| 12:13.14 | alterego | Maybe even have it ready in time for PR1.3 ... |
| 12:14.23 | kerio | oh god it's... bulky |
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| 12:20.10 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, if you start working on it /query me, got an idea |
| 12:21.36 | alterego | MohammadAG51: well, I'm going to start working on a mafw front end for music only to begin with. |
| 12:23.07 | alterego | I think having Music/Video seperate is a good idea. |
| 12:23.33 | alterego | I'll probably implement internet radio as well if it starts to work out nicely. |
| 12:24.51 | MohammadAG51 | start on music, video works great already imo |
| 12:25.14 | alterego | Indeed |
| 12:25.31 | alterego | Is MeeGo going to use MAFW? |
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| 12:30.37 | Venemo | hi everyone! |
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| 12:33.15 | arno0ob | Hi people |
| 12:34.34 | arno0ob | I'm trying to pair my N900 with a Fedora laptop using Kbluetooth Wizard. The Wizard sees my N900 but tells me it doesn't support Input Service |
| 12:35.48 | alterego | Do cellular phones ping multiple base stations simultaneously? Or is it just the one they're currently using? |
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| 12:37.37 | SpeedEvil | basically the one they're using, but they listen for others |
| 12:37.50 | SpeedEvil | and may transmit in some circumstances IIRC |
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| 12:40.14 | alterego | Okay, juswondering. I'll have a look into the spec. |
| 12:40.44 | arno0ob | I've been in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf to remove Input from DisablePlugins statement |
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| 12:41.12 | arno0ob | Don't know if I can find someone here, or if I have to move to another chan .. |
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| 12:43.57 | Venemo | alterego: they can connect to multiple ones at a time, but they're using the one which has the best signal strength afaik |
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| 12:56.38 | E0x | hey ppl i install the scratchbox in my netbook |
| 12:56.50 | E0x | but i very slow ( the gui of course ) |
| 12:56.50 | MohammadAG | god that'll be slow |
| 12:56.53 | E0x | any tips ? |
| 12:56.58 | E0x | hahaha |
| 12:56.59 | MohammadAG | yes, sell the netbook |
| 12:57.21 | E0x | well then i will need figure out how install in at my archlinux install at desktop pc |
| 12:57.24 | MohammadAG | my notebook is netbook-y, I removed the GUI |
| 12:57.24 | E0x | at home |
| 12:57.52 | E0x | MohammadAG: but the scratchbox emulate a ARM procesor ? |
| 12:57.57 | E0x | using quemu ? |
| 12:57.58 | MohammadAG | not the GUI one |
| 12:58.10 | MohammadAG | the GUI runs from the FREMANTLE_X86 target |
| 12:58.27 | MohammadAG | so it runs natively on your laptop, without hardware acceleration |
| 12:58.31 | E0x | hmm but if is not emulate a arm why so slow |
| 12:58.33 | E0x | ? |
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| 12:58.44 | MohammadAG | CPU is slow |
| 12:58.50 | MohammadAG | it's a netbook |
| 12:58.54 | E0x | 1.6ghz is not that slow |
| 12:58.57 | MohammadAG | aren't those like, 1.6? |
| 12:59.01 | MohammadAG | slow |
| 12:59.05 | E0x | :S |
| 12:59.30 | E0x | well at home will not run that fast i only have 2.6 |
| 12:59.35 | lcuk | E0x, how fast does it build thing |
| 13:00.04 | E0x | lcuk: just doing python coding for now so i not test yet the building |
| 13:00.14 | E0x | eerrr |
| 13:00.15 | E0x | the compile |
| 13:00.19 | lcuk | why not just bypass scratchbox totally and dev on device? |
| 13:00.33 | E0x | lcuk: i will do some Qt dev too |
| 13:00.34 | lcuk | if its python at least for most things its capable |
| 13:00.48 | lcuk | pyqt works just the same |
| 13:00.49 | lcuk | :) |
| 13:01.10 | E0x | lcuk: i want learn C++ a bit |
| 13:01.21 | E0x | i try if i can do somethings |
| 13:01.25 | alterego | E0x: then you should be using Nokia Qt SDK really :P |
| 13:01.35 | lcuk | E0x, sure then alterego is right |
| 13:01.51 | lcuk | likes vnc over 3.5g |
| 13:02.14 | E0x | yes but in the simulator i can't test python things so i want a thing that i can test both |
| 13:02.44 | lcuk | your n900! |
| 13:02.55 | lcuk | i havent fired up xepyhr since ummm almost never |
| 13:03.10 | E0x | hmm maybe i will try that |
| 13:03.16 | alterego | Yeah, if I'm developing Python I actually usually do it on the device using sftp support in gnome to view the files and edit in geit. |
| 13:03.19 | alterego | ~gedit |
| 13:03.20 | infobot | GTK+ based text editor. URL: http://gedit.pn.org/ |
| 13:03.39 | E0x | with some sshfs for easy/fast file upload |
| 13:03.55 | alterego | No, I just edit them _on_ the device. |
| 13:04.06 | alterego | gedit will save direcctly to the N900 using sftp |
| 13:04.10 | lcuk | alterego, is gedit in repos? |
| 13:04.18 | E0x | alterego: oh hmm |
| 13:04.19 | alterego | lcuk: no, this is on my laptop :P |
| 13:04.23 | E0x | not sure about that |
| 13:04.30 | alterego | I would like a nice gedit port to maemo though :D |
| 13:04.33 | lcuk | alterego, then thats exactly same mechanism E0x just mentioned |
| 13:04.42 | E0x | yes |
| 13:05.11 | alterego | Probably, he made it sound different with "file upload" .. |
| 13:05.14 | E0x | but was thinking in copy from pc to n900 and keep a copy of the code at pc |
| 13:05.20 | alterego | I suppose it's because I just see it as saving straight to the device. |
| 13:05.29 | alterego | Which I guess technically is "uploading" :) |
| 13:05.39 | lcuk | alterego, sure i did the same for ages direct from windows |
| 13:05.42 | lcuk | winscp ftw |
| 13:05.48 | E0x | hehe |
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| 13:06.25 | alterego | Does winscp allow you to edit files directly on the device I.E. Just pressing "Save" and then it's saved via sftp to the device |
| 13:06.28 | alterego | Ready to run ... |
| 13:06.47 | lcuk | alterego, it does the copying transparently, so effectively yes |
| 13:06.53 | alterego | Cool |
| 13:07.02 | lcuk | clicking save in notepad or whatever editor |
| 13:07.18 | lcuk | kicks winscp back off to transfer file |
| 13:08.21 | E0x | brb |
| 13:09.10 | MohammadAG | hmm, I think it's time for a reflash |
| 13:09.36 | MohammadAG | WTF |
| 13:09.41 | alterego | landscape: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-145415.png |
| 13:09.49 | alterego | portrait: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-235011.png |
| 13:10.12 | MohammadAG | alterego, any betas? |
| 13:10.14 | MohammadAG | or alphas? |
| 13:10.17 | MohammadAG | or brickers? |
| 13:10.22 | alterego | Heh, |
| 13:10.29 | alterego | No not yet, still very experimental |
| 13:10.29 | MohammadAG | back to where I was, WTF |
| 13:10.41 | MohammadAG | my N900 booted ubuntu without sliding open the keyvoard |
| 13:10.45 | MohammadAG | keyboard |
| 13:10.55 | alterego | MohammadAG: uh-oh :P |
| 13:11.06 | lcuk | alterego, is that the gps thingamabob |
| 13:11.23 | lcuk | cannot right click over vnc |
| 13:11.36 | MohammadAG | use a proper client :P |
| 13:11.44 | lcuk | vnc |
| 13:11.52 | MohammadAG | xtightvnc |
| 13:11.59 | alterego | lcuk: yeah |
| 13:12.26 | lcuk | did you see the positioning video i did |
| 13:13.59 | alterego | Nope, got a link? |
| 13:14.10 | alterego | This is a rather failed attempt at theming. :D http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100712-194609.png |
| 13:14.13 | lcuk | err not on me - MohammadAG do you have a link to vid |
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| 13:15.14 | MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM alterego lcuk |
| 13:15.27 | alterego | Spank you |
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| 13:17.11 | alterego | lcuk: how are you doing movement? Camera? |
| 13:17.23 | lcuk | you tell me |
| 13:17.30 | MohammadAG | alterego, you noob |
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| 13:17.33 | MohammadAG | it's using magic |
| 13:17.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:18.16 | alterego | Well, not the accelerometer |
| 13:18.52 | alterego | If it was the camera then the text would need to be where the camera is. Though I was thinking something similar to how optical mice work. |
| 13:19.21 | MohammadAG | lcuk, front camera? |
| 13:19.37 | lcuk | move the discussion to yt comments or twitter or something :PO |
| 13:19.48 | lcuk | and when you know how its done let me know :P |
| 13:20.13 | alterego | Well, you're the only one that "knows" how it's done. |
| 13:20.16 | alterego | I'm just guessing. |
| 13:20.55 | MohammadAG | it's obviously timed and he's moving it at fixed intervals |
| 13:20.56 | MohammadAG | jk |
| 13:20.57 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 13:21.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:23.29 | alterego | I guess it wouldn't work just putting it down on an arbitrary rectangle. |
| 13:24.09 | lcuk | alterego, it works with or without the paper |
| 13:24.20 | alterego | That's not what I mean. |
| 13:24.41 | kerio | hmm, my n900 has two slightly brighter spots |
| 13:24.47 | alterego | If you have a surface, and the N900 is in your hand, and you put it down on the surface in say the top right corner, it wont show the top right corner display. |
| 13:25.01 | alterego | kerio: Mine has one, and it doesn't really bother me. |
| 13:25.18 | alterego | Only noticable when it's showing complete white .. |
| 13:25.24 | MohammadAG | he's using the speakers' holes and mic to measure wind speed when moving the N900, that's why he's moving it too fast |
| 13:25.25 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:25.26 | kerio | same here |
| 13:26.03 | lcuk | moh that was a real viable option, i considered echo location |
| 13:26.18 | alterego | Hahah |
| 13:26.46 | alterego | I still think you're using the camera and doing something similar to an optical mouse. |
| 13:26.51 | MohammadAG | the Nokia N900: it's what bats have become |
| 13:26.53 | alterego | Though, maybe not. |
| 13:27.19 | alterego | Why are you so hesitant about giving away how you've done it? :P |
| 13:27.30 | MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm, ever considered using the back magnet? |
| 13:27.33 | lcuk | i am not - i explained it in great detail a few days ago |
| 13:27.41 | alterego | Oh |
| 13:27.45 | lcuk | people just started asking if it was magic so i went along wit hit |
| 13:27.49 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 13:27.55 | alterego | Well, how do you do it then? :P |
| 13:28.09 | MohammadAG | alterego, you wouldn't know if it hit you right in the face |
| 13:28.27 | MohammadAG | slaps alterego around with a large trout |
| 13:28.28 | alterego | No, probably not :P |
| 13:28.37 | MohammadAG | that's how, trouts |
| 13:28.42 | alterego | That's why I'm asking :) |
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| 13:37.44 | kerio | lcuk: how does it work? |
| 13:38.15 | lcuk | <MohammadAG> it's using magic |
| 13:38.29 | MohammadAG | told ya |
| 13:38.56 | MohammadAG | does anyone know where the screen tap sound is? |
| 13:39.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:39.44 | kerio | lcuk: :( |
| 13:39.49 | kerio | i missed the explanation! |
| 13:39.59 | MohammadAG | x-maemo-touchscreen-pressed.wav found it |
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| 13:42.57 | kerio | lcuk: is it on some repo yet? |
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| 13:45.14 | lcuk | kerio, github.com/lcuk |
| 13:45.25 | Venemo | w00t_: ping |
| 13:45.59 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 13:47.12 | Andy80 | I'm having problems building an application with Extras Autobuilder. If you can give a look here: http://pastebin.com/FMRgTt2E line 85, it bothers about: /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../lastgo.qrc' but it exist... how can I fix it? |
| 13:48.03 | Venemo | Andy80: could you give us a link to your debian/control file? |
| 13:48.21 | Andy80 | Venemo: yes... one moment... |
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| 13:49.06 | X-Fade | Andy80: Notice the case change. |
| 13:49.35 | Andy80 | Venemo: here is the control http://pastebin.com/w077J8C7 and here is the rules http://pastebin.com/wY92FLAz |
| 13:49.46 | X-Fade | Andy80: As you seem to use uppercase in the .pro file? |
| 13:49.49 | Andy80 | X-Fade: no no... the filename is really lastgo.qrc |
| 13:49.54 | X-Fade | Ok. |
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| 13:50.52 | Andy80 | X-Fade: my idea: I create a builddir and call qmake from there... so the path should be ../lastgo.qrc like is ../LastGo.pro for the project... |
| 13:51.32 | Andy80 | I had packaged another qt/c++ app before, but it didn't use a qrc file |
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| 13:54.30 | psycho_oreos | are there any tweaks to adjust the window manager on n900? such as to turn off fancy compiz/beryl like effects? |
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| 13:54.49 | Andy80 | Venemo: any idea? |
| 13:55.30 | kerio | jacekowski: can't find chromium in your repo |
| 13:56.28 | kerio | oh nvm |
| 13:56.35 | kerio | typoed fremantle :/ |
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| 13:58.22 | Jef91 | So my angry birds just updated telling me there are two more level packs for purchase - but these level packs aren't listed on ovi yet? |
| 13:58.33 | kerio | jacekowski: the package chromium can't be authenticated |
| 13:58.38 | Jef91 | I mean somehow I'm not surprised - but any idea when they are going to show up? |
| 13:58.44 | psycho_oreos | Jef91, they are, under level 1 pack |
| 13:58.49 | kerio | do i just force the install? |
| 13:59.01 | Jef91 | ... I own level 1 pack psycho_oreos |
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| 13:59.21 | psycho_oreos | Jef91, has the package been installed? check via dpkg |
| 14:00.01 | alterego | Jef91: they'll be up by the end of the day I imagine. |
| 14:00.02 | psycho_oreos | fyi those two levels did show up as level 1 packs on ovi, they should still be there under paid apps or something |
| 14:00.13 | alterego | The same thing happened with the game update yesterday |
| 14:00.45 | jacekowski | kerio: packages in my repo are not signed |
| 14:01.32 | kerio | so sign them! |
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| 14:01.45 | kerio | :) |
| 14:02.20 | jacekowski | i don't have keys |
| 14:02.27 | jacekowski | i would have to generate them |
| 14:03.39 | psycho_oreos | Jef91, ahh yeah I see what you mean, its listed but you can get to the purchase page |
| 14:03.46 | Jef91 | jacekowski Unsigned packages are the devil's playground :P |
| 14:03.49 | psycho_oreos | s/can/can't/ |
| 14:03.51 | Andy80 | X-Fade: you know where I can find a qt application that uses a .qrc so I can see how is it packaged? |
| 14:03.57 | psycho_oreos | s/can/can't/g |
| 14:03.59 | Jef91 | psycho_oreos yep :( |
| 14:04.03 | Jef91 | I hope they release soon. |
| 14:04.18 | Jef91 | New angry birds levels would be my girlfriend entertained for a good while |
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| 14:04.32 | jacekowski | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 262 more bytes) |
| 14:04.35 | psycho_oreos | Jef91, still don't know why does that matter to you unless you are missing those two levels after reflashing or something |
| 14:04.36 | jacekowski | that will take ages |
| 14:07.26 | SpeedEvil | Play angry birds. |
| 14:07.57 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: there are more levels being released that have not previously beenavailale on the n900 |
| 14:08.12 | jacekowski | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 72 more bytes) |
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| 14:10.09 | kerio | jacekowski: bash on your keyboard like a monkey! |
| 14:10.18 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, afaik there's only 3 levels for angrybirds 1.1, on iphone there's like 5 or so levels with latter versions |
| 14:10.43 | SpeedEvil | exactly |
| 14:11.24 | psycho_oreos | you're telling me that you can get 5 levels from iphone's .payload to n900? ;) |
| 14:12.11 | MohammadAG | umm, aren't the two level packs ready? |
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| 14:12.18 | MohammadAG | so it gets up to 5 |
| 14:12.25 | MohammadAG | but as always, ovi's delaying release |
| 14:12.48 | psycho_oreos | afaik there's level pack 1 which provides level 2 and 3 on 1.1 angrybirds |
| 14:13.00 | psycho_oreos | angrybirds on iphone was something like 1.5 |
| 14:15.16 | psycho_oreos | alas I don't game much on n900 :) I only game alot is only to show off to iphail fans that n900 can also game ;) |
| 14:15.48 | MohammadAG | iPhone fanboy: "But... does it fart?: |
| 14:15.50 | MohammadAG | "* |
| 14:16.23 | kerio | what's angrybirds? |
| 14:16.28 | psycho_oreos | a game |
| 14:16.52 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, heh :) Microsoft(r)'s Kin1(tm) and Kin2(tm) - It never really happened (tm)... Apple(tm) - Avoid holding your iPhone(tm) 4 that way... |
| 14:17.06 | jacekowski | kerio: it's remote server |
| 14:17.12 | jacekowski | kerio: but it's signing now |
| 14:17.15 | jacekowski | kerio: happy? |
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| 14:18.54 | kerio | jacekowski: does that mean that i have to redownload it? |
| 14:18.55 | kerio | D: |
| 14:19.12 | kerio | i'm on a crappy connection :( |
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| 14:20.41 | alterego | "Any anitvirus for the N900?" Heh .. |
| 14:21.09 | SpeedEvil | Angrybirds is great. |
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| 14:21.23 | SpeedEvil | I wish that bounce had a few more levels. |
| 14:21.28 | SpeedEvil | that would showcase it well |
| 14:21.31 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 14:21.43 | SpeedEvil | I think the potential for commerical devs to flock to the n900 has past. |
| 14:21.55 | psycho_oreos | bounce is the one thing I can sorta boast :) unique to only n900 |
| 14:22.15 | psycho_oreos | not only that I think n900 just came in at the wrong time.. along with ovi woes |
| 14:23.09 | kerio | bounce sucks |
| 14:23.20 | SpeedEvil | I think the ovi store _totally_ screwed up any lingering hopes. |
| 14:23.22 | psycho_oreos | I see lots and lots of users complaining constantly day in day out with ovi having issues |
| 14:23.32 | psycho_oreos | bounce doesn't suck |
| 14:23.40 | SpeedEvil | Extras 'just works' - mostly |
| 14:23.49 | SpeedEvil | Ovi - just has problems. |
| 14:24.08 | psycho_oreos | ovi - the problem is itself |
| 14:24.56 | psycho_oreos | they can't get it out of their head that they like symbian too much, ovi maps lacked half the feature it had on other nokia platforms |
| 14:25.01 | kerio | psycho_oreos: horrible framerate, horrible controls |
| 14:25.44 | jacekowski | kerio: chromium isn't signed |
| 14:25.47 | psycho_oreos | kerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever trying playing games using purely on accelerometers? |
| 14:25.52 | jacekowski | kerio: new packages will be |
| 14:26.20 | kerio | jacekowski: i see |
| 14:26.31 | kerio | do i need to add the key somehow? |
| 14:26.40 | psycho_oreos | s/trying/tried/g |
| 14:26.46 | kerio | and will you release updates to chromium? |
| 14:27.09 | kerio | psycho_oreos: yes, but that's not exactly the point here |
| 14:27.15 | kerio | the one that comes to mind is warioware smooth moves |
| 14:27.37 | kerio | but, you know, dedicated hw |
| 14:28.11 | psycho_oreos | kerio, that's more like asking for a lopsided comparison, n900 is a phone, not a giant dedicated accelerometer :) |
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| 14:28.40 | kerio | i played lots of iphone games |
| 14:28.54 | kerio | well, not lots, but at least some |
| 14:28.56 | psycho_oreos | it (n900) has lots of features its not great at but at least it includes them and has linux base |
| 14:29.34 | kerio | psycho_oreos: yeah - it doesn't make it a good idea to use them primarily for a "first-party" game with some history like bounce |
| 14:30.51 | psycho_oreos | kerio, its more like an open demonstration to show what were the potential of n900's hardware... I think that was the original intention of developing bounce evolution in the first place.. it was purely a demo :) |
| 14:31.23 | kerio | a techdemo *this* bad? no wonder there are no commercial games on the n900... |
| 14:31.24 | kerio | :P |
| 14:31.48 | psycho_oreos | there's lots of tech demos worse than that on n900 |
| 14:32.09 | kerio | i just want a 3310 emulator for snake |
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| 14:32.23 | kerio | or a 3330 emulator for snake 2 |
| 14:32.27 | psycho_oreos | alas the devs put it up and asked for nothing, so why complain when you got your stab at free lunch? |
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| 14:34.30 | MohammadAG | I want the N-Gage snake |
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| 14:49.51 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: so neopwn.com is still down... Cool eh? |
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| 14:51.21 | psycho_oreos | why ask about neopwn? you have om freerunner? |
| 14:51.46 | psycho_oreos | s/ask/talk/g |
| 14:52.02 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: they're going to release packet injection for the n900 |
| 14:52.18 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, that has already happened :) |
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| 14:52.31 | psycho_oreos | its under a new project for n900 anyway |
| 14:52.53 | crashanddie | infobot: why aren't you voiced? Is your connection shaky again? |
| 14:52.54 | infobot | why not? |
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| 14:53.06 | crashanddie | because |
| 14:53.23 | Corsac | infobot: please don't answer to questions by another question |
| 14:54.02 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: they are allegedly going to provide a "backtrack equivalent for the n900" |
| 14:54.11 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: which is the only reason I'm interested |
| 14:54.21 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, yeah and that is already happening :) |
| 14:54.34 | crashanddie | dude, I don't give a fuck if it's happening or not |
| 14:54.37 | crashanddie | they have it working. |
| 14:54.43 | crashanddie | (allegedly) |
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| 14:55.02 | psycho_oreos | (#1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfGGOa-skA, or (#2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht4WDho1UWY, or (#3) http://videos.aircrack-ng.org/N900_injection.mp4 |
| 14:55.18 | psycho_oreos | backtrack equivalent, maybe |
| 14:55.47 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos: note that both youtube videos are uploaded by the "neopwn" account |
| 14:56.30 | crashanddie | so please stfu, considering you're attempting to correct me using the stuff I was talking about in the first place. |
| 14:56.55 | crashanddie | I think it's just very, very interesting that days before the supposed release, their website goes down |
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| 15:00.27 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, yeah, still 'down' for me |
| 15:00.56 | lcuk | has a numb eye |
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| 15:04.09 | crashanddie | lcuk: told you to stop poking it |
| 15:04.45 | lcuk | crashanddie, dentist - ive just never had her push so far into me |
| 15:05.04 | crashanddie | ok ok, let's keep this a family channel |
| 15:05.08 | crashanddie | I don't care about your sexual activities |
| 15:05.18 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:05.19 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 15:05.49 | lcuk | so i shant tell you it was a double penetration o_O she did 2 fillings at the same time |
| 15:07.06 | midas_ | oh hai |
| 15:07.45 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: On that topic (not worksafe) http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12146#p12146 (no, it's not quite that - it's an example of how far people will go to make money on the internet) |
| 15:08.16 | SpeedEvil | The above occurred on the 4th of july, so the person linking me to said. |
| 15:08.45 | MohammadAG | O_o |
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| 15:09.55 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i was talking about the dentist you crude git |
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| 15:10.02 | kevloral | Hi all |
| 15:10.54 | MohammadAG | lol lcuk he knows |
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| 15:15.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: ping |
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| 15:46.12 | GAN900 | Dentists in the UK? |
| 15:46.39 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: tried fb_text2screen master on meego? |
| 15:46.54 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no, didn't have time today |
| 15:47.05 | slonopotamus | k |
| 15:47.46 | slonopotamus | btw, fremantle text2screen still has broken colors :) |
| 15:53.02 | lcuk | GAN900, lol yes we do have them |
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| 15:53.32 | lcuk | most people avoid them as i have done for too long :) thankfully im having everything cured |
| 15:53.57 | Lateralus | Is there a way to open the phone app with a number to dial from an app? |
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| 15:56.05 | zash | Lateralus: Try opening the the xterm and doing `xdg-open tel:123` |
| 15:56.19 | zash | That would be the *nix/fd-ish way |
| 15:56.24 | zash | imoho |
| 15:58.26 | slonopotamus | zash: there ain't xdg-open (whatever it is) in maemo |
| 15:58.34 | zash | meh |
| 15:59.26 | zash | slonopotamus: a freedesktop tool to launch urls/files in the application registerd to handle them |
| 15:59.29 | Lateralus | I was figuring there would be some dbus message for it |
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| 16:48.55 | X-Fade | lcuk: Forgot to say... cool stuff :) |
| 16:49.06 | lcuk | haha X-Fade :) |
| 16:49.09 | lcuk | thx |
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| 16:51.14 | Lateralus | ok, it's likely something to do with com.nokia.csd.Call |
| 16:51.25 | Lateralus | is that documented anywhere? com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance? |
| 16:52.09 | X-Fade | lcuk: Connect that to some of the UX proto ideas we saw last year :) |
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| 16:54.59 | lcuk | X-Fade, you mean http://n900blog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/091009-maemo-01.jpg?w=497&h=300 ;) |
| 16:55.25 | lcuk | the cells can be anything - i just prototyped it with broken ones - ive got some more shiney things pending |
| 16:55.33 | tybollt | will there indeed be maemi 6? |
| 16:55.35 | X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah ;) |
| 16:56.02 | lcuk | X-Fade, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnTCh7exB0E take a glance at this - portrait mode image select |
| 16:56.03 | X-Fade | lcuk: But? mpeg movement vectors using frontcam? |
| 16:56.47 | lcuk | X-Fade, mmm no, much simpler |
| 16:56.52 | lcuk | explained in the thread now totally |
| 16:57.06 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=754042&postcount=11 |
| 16:57.25 | Ikarus | *blink* an update for flashlight |
| 16:57.51 | Ikarus | (also is there a way to disable camera app startup on cover open ?) |
| 17:00.19 | X-Fade | lcuk: Ah, yes real info in a talk thread, who would have thought that :) |
| 17:00.31 | lcuk | haha its our maemo :P |
| 17:00.38 | lcuk | we should fill it with good stuff |
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| 17:06.03 | johnsu01 | hm, what happened to the sharing plugin for gallery2 |
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| 17:11.10 | GAN900 | X-Fade, makes me nastolgic. |
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| 17:16.56 | X-Fade | GAN900: What? |
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| 17:25.07 | dotblank | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58565 |
| 17:31.28 | Jaffa | re |
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| 17:34.35 | BluesLee | i will get a free case from apple if i buy an iphone 4 till end of september |
| 17:34.40 | BluesLee | hehe |
| 17:37.21 | SpeedEvil | Wow! |
| 17:37.24 | SpeedEvil | The bargain! |
| 17:37.59 | lcuk | you mean you get a free iphone when you buy a case? :D |
| 17:38.13 | BluesLee | lcuk: that would be cool |
| 17:38.13 | ohwhyme | hahaha |
| 17:39.01 | BluesLee | honestly, it costs them about 1$ x 6 mio= 6 mio |
| 17:39.09 | BluesLee | thats a joke |
| 17:39.18 | dotblank | gah this new qt creator is grinding my gears |
| 17:39.28 | dotblank | I can't seem to delete the package creation step |
| 17:39.47 | lcuk | dotblank, did you see the thread where i explained inverse augmented reality stuff |
| 17:40.00 | dotblank | lcuk, not yet |
| 17:40.14 | BluesLee | lcuk: hey, you are the guy with the liqbase stuff, right? |
| 17:40.33 | BluesLee | lcuk: really impressive speed |
| 17:40.34 | dotblank | I'm about to take a plane so Im trying to setup my laptop's sdk |
| 17:40.54 | dotblank | and grr I can't delete the package creation step.. from the build process... |
| 17:41.03 | lcuk | dotblank, air crew frown upon you doing compilation and "technical" stuff whilst airside |
| 17:41.11 | lcuk | BluesLee, indeedy, the very same :) |
| 17:41.16 | dotblank | 8 hour plane |
| 17:41.29 | dotblank | no internet.. |
| 17:41.30 | lcuk | enjoy your time in plastic cufs then |
| 17:41.38 | dotblank | on qt docs and my laptop and n900 |
| 17:41.45 | dotblank | only* |
| 17:42.22 | lcuk | dotblank, well if you have time to read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753976#post753976 ;) |
| 17:42.27 | lcuk | full how did i do it thread :P |
| 17:44.08 | dotblank | ah |
| 17:44.12 | BluesLee | lcuk: can you speed up the maemo ui in the same way?;-) |
| 17:44.13 | BluesLee | lcuk: just a joke, the ui is fast enough, but your stuff is cool |
| 17:44.56 | lcuk | heh |
| 17:48.26 | Jaffa | 'd had hopes that libmeegotouch, MeeGo et al would've been designed from the ground up with speed, fluidity and reducing overhead as the primary drivers. |
| 17:49.30 | kerio | lcuk: epic |
| 17:49.54 | Jaffa | The Maemo 5 stack and the N900 just feel slow now, especially compared with the competition - but absolute tasks too :( |
| 17:50.19 | Stskeeps | jaffa, i actually think it is to some extent |
| 17:51.17 | Stskeeps | (and no, that isnt a fanboy statement) |
| 17:52.53 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: A new stack - reduce overhead? |
| 17:53.01 | SpeedEvil | Are you _MAD_? |
| 17:53.40 | SpeedEvil | Abstraction piled on abstraction is the way! |
| 17:53.41 | lcuk | its not unheard of :) |
| 17:54.13 | Stskeeps | i perceive of it as a lean and mean stack, personally |
| 17:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Use a 20 meg library that nothing else on the plarform uses to 'reuse code' - instead of writing a 12 line function that might require you to think for half an hour. |
| 17:54.33 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Goodo. More shouting about that from architects etc, please :) |
| 17:54.56 | mortini_ | SpeedEvil: but then you have to support that code! |
| 17:54.57 | mortini_ | :D |
| 17:55.28 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Blog posts like the stuff Moblin put out about fastboot. How do you make a full featured, cross-platform, API act speedilyetc. |
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| 17:55.46 | Stskeeps | Jaffa, i really would like core to talk more |
| 17:55.58 | Stskeeps | but alas, its july, nothing will happen |
| 17:56.07 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: True. |
| 17:56.44 | Stskeeps | i do appreciate meego-commits list which states wtf actually goes on |
| 17:56.50 | Stskeeps | and open qa |
| 17:57.52 | Stskeeps | and so on.. things are going in the right direction |
| 17:58.31 | Jaffa | Anyone want to write a meego traffic? :) |
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| 17:59.18 | Stskeeps | i am already overwhelmed with commits to trunk and testing, there is really a lot of development strength going into it |
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| 18:04.50 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: cool |
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| 18:06.32 | lcuk | Stskeeps, but is it getting anywhere or treading water? |
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| 18:08.58 | lcuk | \o/ |
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| 18:51.01 | konttori | nice. I just got qt quick photoviewer demo application running on my osx to be able to directly load the images from my n900 using the web server I built yesterday DocScrutinizer. Image version is replicating flickr API, so it was basically one liner change on the photoviewer code side. (different address of the server) |
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| 18:57.14 | lcuk | konttori, impressive! i hope it sends over the thumbnails first for quick instant browsing of the grid before sending large images only on request ;) |
| 18:57.32 | konttori | lcuk: it uses the thumbnails on .thumbnails/cropped |
| 18:57.45 | lcuk | nods :) |
| 18:57.49 | konttori | and then the full image is only sent when you are in fullscreen view of the image. |
| 18:58.02 | lcuk | cool |
| 18:58.08 | RST38h | konttori: Nokia Personal Webserver (for Symbian) did somethign similar |
| 18:58.26 | konttori | it then loads the full image async and then fades the preview away |
| 18:58.36 | RST38h | konttori: It basically replaced PCSuite functionality with a web server running on the device and accessible via any web browser |
| 18:58.47 | konttori | RST38h: pretty nifty idea. |
| 18:58.54 | konttori | and should be pretty easy to do as well |
| 18:59.13 | konttori | for me, adding the image support has now taken like about 4 hours so far. |
| 18:59.17 | konttori | perhas 5. |
| 18:59.45 | konttori | (part of that doing the mandatory hello world web server first) |
| 19:01.04 | RST38h | konttori: it may also let you access settings, call log, message log, check device's location and temperature, etc |
| 19:01.09 | lcuk | konttori, did you see the inverted augmented reality video? |
| 19:01.22 | konttori | lcuk: no, lemme see |
| 19:01.59 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM |
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| 19:07.52 | lcuk | did you click konttori |
| 19:09.08 | konttori | looking now |
| 19:09.28 | konttori | lcuk: ah, that one. Yeah, saw it yesterda. Rocks |
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| 19:11.47 | lcuk | konttori, so this web server deffo looks interesting - i might have to look closer to linkup some of the bits i need |
| 19:12.25 | konttori | I'll work a bit more and share the code for you. wanna get snapshot now? |
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| 19:13.18 | lcuk | will it happily install/run on fremantle? |
| 19:13.49 | konttori | I'm running it on n900 now. (you were accessing it from my n900) |
| 19:14.11 | konttori | Just store anywhere and run: python webserver.py |
| 19:14.16 | lcuk | :D bonus |
| 19:14.41 | lcuk | heh python powered! is it python server or tying into qt 4.6/4.7 methods? |
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| 19:22.45 | dragonlinux | hye, is there any man pages available for n900 ? |
| 19:23.36 | lcuk | dragonlinux, hmm lots of packages come from upstream, but since man pages arent included on device itself generally packages targetting maemo have missed them |
| 19:24.17 | dragonlinux | i see. thanks for that |
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| 19:29.30 | konttori | lcuk: it's python server only. and serves ATOM feeds that currently I'm using on qml application. |
| 19:29.49 | konttori | Just installing libqt4-experimental-declarative on n900 to try it out on the device. |
| 19:30.02 | lcuk | :D cool |
| 19:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how did you do the slides/transitions for that AR thing? just a huge picture which you moved? or were those real apps? |
| 19:31.20 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, those are real liq* cells just like the other apps i run |
| 19:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 19:31.48 | lcuk | i just loaded up a bunch of inactive ones to prove concept, i have alternative cleaned up things :) |
| 19:33.01 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the rendering engine for liqbase is geared up for it and always has been :) |
| 19:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, just adequate for liqtorch :-P |
| 19:33.46 | lcuk | indeed :) |
| 19:33.51 | lcuk | liqtorch is more hello world ;) |
| 19:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | is less hello world |
| 19:34.02 | lcuk | i couldnt think of anything better or simpler to get started with :P |
| 19:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | at least now those xxMB make some sense to me |
| 19:34.29 | lcuk | konttori, i got some patches recently - libliqbase is now built using g++ and technically c++ capable |
| 19:34.37 | lcuk | lol its never been a mb |
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| 19:34.54 | ShadowJK | Are you talking about a videod demonstration? Link? :) |
| 19:34.57 | lcuk | thanks w00t_ |
| 19:35.11 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ShadowJK |
| 19:35.25 | lcuk | and no, its a proof of concept :P |
| 19:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | just have shown it off to a friend in the pub (of course on N900) - impressed the shit out of him |
| 19:36.39 | lcuk | well DocScrutinizer i've never seen any phone do that before :) |
| 19:36.49 | lcuk | has wanted this for agessssssssssss |
| 19:37.27 | lcuk | it should also work: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_double_tiny.JPG ;) (original inspiration image) |
| 19:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | glues 3 LED to a sombrero and sends that hat to lcuk |
| 19:38.02 | lcuk | a cap will be fine ty :P |
| 19:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | heh, I never did that obscene position to my N810s |
| 19:39.05 | lcuk | haha! i do it to all my devices ;) http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG |
| 19:39.54 | lcuk | i even made them have a threesome :P http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG |
| 19:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: |
| 19:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 19:41.55 | MohammadAG51 | hits DocScrutinizer with a pingpong ball |
| 19:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | how long were you powering those active speakers via N900 USB host, when power outage in Jordan |
| 19:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 19:43.26 | MohammadAG51 | half an hour maybe |
| 19:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | just about as geeky as those double stack of lcuk (modulo the cute sw on those) |
| 19:43.57 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
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| 19:44.18 | MohammadAG51 | the whole power thingy was on a stock kernel btw |
| 19:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | N900: the most expensive, most weak, most geeky USB power pack |
| 19:44.38 | MohammadAG51 | but the speakers didn't touch data or anything, they only need power |
| 19:44.51 | MohammadAG51 | i.e no enumeration shit |
| 19:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | yepyep |
| 19:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | could as well power a mug warmer |
| 19:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | or better a fan these days :-D |
| 19:45.25 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 19:45.31 | MohammadAG51 | btw, volume wasn't low |
| 19:45.45 | MohammadAG51 | and the LED was as bright as when it was on my PC |
| 19:45.46 | SpeedEvil | 1W of sound is quite loud really |
| 19:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | I bet, otherwise it wouldn't eat your bat SUCH fast |
| 19:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | (LED) as long as boost mode stays, it will provide 4V95 |
| 19:46.38 | MohammadAG51 | well, it only needed half a bat or so |
| 19:46.50 | MohammadAG51 | i could do tests if you want |
| 19:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | that sound about right: half a bat are ~1.5Wh |
| 19:47.33 | Gh0sty | what format is the contacts db actually in the n900? |
| 19:47.36 | Gh0sty | sqlite? |
| 19:47.46 | MohammadAG51 | sqlite 3 afaik |
| 19:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | 200mA*5V=1W output on USB + 1W for full active N900 |
| 19:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | also others claimed it's berkleyDB |
| 19:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that is |
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| 19:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | I've yet to see the sql cmd to read out those crap files.db |
| 19:50.06 | konttori | Gh0sty: it's berkley db. |
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| 19:50.43 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, well contacts app can read it |
| 19:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to google berkley db |
| 19:50.52 | lcuk | and it renders it nicely afaik :P |
| 19:50.55 | Gh0sty | thats what i am looking for |
| 19:50.59 | luke-jr | gah |
| 19:51.12 | luke-jr | is divided on whether to keep T-Mobile |
| 19:51.13 | Gh0sty | to actually do something useful with those contacts on a regular pc :) |
| 19:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | fsck contacts - it's closed |
| 19:51.20 | luke-jr | on one hand, it's convenient when it does work |
| 19:51.26 | luke-jr | but on the other hand, it doesn't work all too often |
| 19:51.28 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 19:52.29 | konttori | DocScrutinizer: it's really low level db. Mosly a hash table really |
| 19:52.39 | konttori | totally wrong choice if you ask me. |
| 19:52.49 | konttori | sqlite would have been the right choice. |
| 19:52.52 | konttori | or tracker. |
| 19:52.59 | konttori | but not berkley db |
| 19:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | I don't really care, just gimme a tool to read it |
| 19:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | a cmdline tool! |
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| 19:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | meh, no cmdline interface (by definition)... ? o.O |
| 19:57.23 | lcuk | please wait, rescanning contacts |
| 19:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | sqlite for sure've been the better choice then |
| 19:57.32 | luke-jr | nah |
| 19:57.35 | luke-jr | just make a directory |
| 19:57.38 | ShadowJK | lcuk, are you revealing yet how it's done? |
| 19:57.39 | luke-jr | and make 1 file per contact |
| 19:57.41 | luke-jr | :D |
| 19:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: vcard |
| 19:58.16 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yep |
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| 19:58.20 | luke-jr | that's how I do it myself |
| 19:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | full ack |
| 19:58.31 | luke-jr | it worked pretty well until KDE screwed up KAddressBook :/ |
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| 19:58.46 | lcuk | ShadowJK, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753976#post753976 whole thread on inverse augmented reality and how its done :P |
| 19:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, up to a reasonably usable managable limit of contocts (some hundered) what for do I need a db? |
| 19:59.19 | visz | heh, my eyes deceived me |
| 19:59.31 | visz | full ack -> fu** all |
| 19:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: =-( |
| 19:59.48 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: even then, VCards in IMAP... IMAP can search :D |
| 20:00.02 | luke-jr | but KDE never supported that properly :( |
| 20:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no more vcard resources in Kontact?? |
| 20:00.16 | luke-jr | probably is |
| 20:00.21 | luke-jr | but Kontact is broken since 4.4 |
| 20:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | hooray, so it matches other KDE4 crap now |
| 20:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | what exactly? |
| 20:01.11 | luke-jr | KAddressBook doesn't work at all as far as I can tell |
| 20:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | kaddrbook is obsolete with kde4 I heard |
| 20:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | but then Kontact doesn't use KAddrBook anymore I heard same source |
| 20:02.05 | luke-jr | just renamed AFAIK |
| 20:02.27 | luke-jr | binary is still kaddressbook |
| 20:02.32 | luke-jr | but name is "Contact Manager" |
| 20:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, my contacts are all still there |
| 20:02.43 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, |
| 20:02.47 | luke-jr | the problem is this new Akonadi framework |
| 20:02.53 | luke-jr | it's horribly misdesigned and broken |
| 20:02.56 | MohammadAG51 | get some USB leds and do all what you did via the N900's port |
| 20:02.56 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, |
| 20:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | akonadi, yeah |
| 20:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | heard that as well |
| 20:03.10 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, sure but with wires its a bit less fun |
| 20:03.17 | lcuk | i thought of that when you said about powered speakers |
| 20:03.29 | lcuk | i would prefer having the usb used for arduino |
| 20:03.51 | jacekowski | what's the purpose of liqbase anyways? |
| 20:03.53 | MohammadAG51 | arduino? |
| 20:03.54 | lcuk | the Nokia 770 and N800 dogs should work |
| 20:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | I would prefer having hostmode working |
| 20:04.17 | MohammadAG51 | me too, but that's kinda dead isn't it :) |
| 20:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | limbo state |
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| 20:05.02 | MohammadAG51 | k, zombie state :P |
| 20:05.04 | lcuk | jacekowski, for me? its an ideas playground, and those ideas are all growing up and breaking off into their little apps :) |
| 20:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | I got no new arguments to push, and the old efforts seem to be discontinued |
| 20:05.51 | jacekowski | lcuk: and with that cluster thingy |
| 20:05.56 | jacekowski | lcuk: opencv |
| 20:06.17 | jacekowski | lcuk: and transmitting image from camera via bluetooth from one device to other |
| 20:06.19 | jacekowski | and then comparing |
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| 20:06.31 | Summeli | what's the best way to implement simple blit() with RGB565? |
| 20:06.32 | jacekowski | so it could detect position based on that without any reference |
| 20:06.38 | Summeli | on N900 :) |
| 20:06.38 | lcuk | huh? i want something in realtime not waiting a fortnight |
| 20:06.48 | jacekowski | opencv is realtime |
| 20:06.54 | jacekowski | hmm, bluetooth isn't |
| 20:06.57 | RST38h | Summeli: /dev/fb0 |
| 20:06.59 | jacekowski | but you can process |
| 20:07.02 | lcuk | transfering image data over at 25fps isnt |
| 20:07.11 | lcuk | especially over bt/wifi |
| 20:07.13 | jacekowski | or get some initial reference |
| 20:07.29 | jacekowski | and then send just info where is it moving |
| 20:07.39 | lcuk | jacekowski, why dont you try it |
| 20:07.48 | jacekowski | i'm playing with low level stuff |
| 20:07.49 | lcuk | you know opencv |
| 20:07.52 | Summeli | RST38h: Can I have some ways to avoid tearing with that? |
| 20:08.02 | jacekowski | after i'm done with bme stuff |
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| 20:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: 2/3 done with specs. Sorry was busy the afternoon |
| 20:08.17 | jacekowski | but opencv + accelerometer |
| 20:08.35 | Summeli | I was thinking about the opengl es, which should provide the double buffering to avoid tearing |
| 20:08.36 | lcuk | sure jacekowski im not in a rush, btw, you have seen the sort of stuff i use accelerometer for havent you? |
| 20:08.41 | RST38h | Summeli: not on n900 afaik |
| 20:08.47 | jacekowski | lcuk: no |
| 20:08.49 | lcuk | jacekowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q |
| 20:08.59 | jacekowski | lcuk: ah, that |
| 20:09.07 | jacekowski | that's nice |
| 20:09.28 | lcuk | same thing happens with this inv.ar stuff |
| 20:09.41 | lcuk | and it scales and rotates based on camera |
| 20:09.55 | lcuk | and does what the accelerometer cant (rotation along flat plane) |
| 20:12.03 | jacekowski | yeah, compass would be nice |
| 20:12.29 | lcuk | yeah but you work with what you have |
| 20:12.30 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, can I have a look at it too? |
| 20:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, np |
| 20:12.56 | lcuk | jacekowski, if i still had n810 as primary i would be doing same with that |
| 20:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | much appreciated |
| 20:13.09 | lcuk | i think the code should just work, though i havent fired it up yet |
| 20:13.23 | lcuk | i probably broke many things in last few months |
| 20:13.54 | jacekowski | well, anyways, charging is pretty much close to be finished |
| 20:14.01 | jacekowski | location has to be reversed |
| 20:14.12 | jacekowski | powervr would be nice |
| 20:14.41 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: send me whatever you have |
| 20:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure, another ~60..90min, ok? |
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| 21:05.12 | jacekowski | i need couple brave volunteers |
| 21:05.20 | Stskeeps | for? |
| 21:06.23 | jacekowski | potentialy having to flash phone |
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| 21:07.42 | jacekowski | it's not compiling anyways |
| 21:08.00 | jacekowski | i was hoping to do very ugly hack to have self contained i2c module in one file |
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| 21:51.10 | steinex | i'm unable to find erminig-ng in extras-devel.... |
| 21:51.13 | steinex | anyone? |
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| 22:08.30 | luke-jr | ham5: click "PC Suite Mode"? |
| 22:09.41 | ham5 | I can do it... I just need to 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.200.2 up' everytime I plug in the usb |
| 22:09.46 | kerio | ham5: pc-side? |
| 22:09.47 | kerio | huh |
| 22:10.28 | kerio | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:10.28 | kerio | and add ifup usb0 to... hmm |
| 22:10.28 | kerio | there's some script that's executed every time you enter pc suite mode |
| 22:10.28 | kerio | hold on |
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| 22:10.29 | kerio | ham5: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
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| 22:12.04 | luke-jr | ham5: you have ifplugd? |
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| 22:12.15 | ham5 | thats a long ass line to set/resetthe connection manager |
| 22:12.31 | ham5 | no luke |
| 22:12.43 | kerio | ham5: that's to make maemo think that's connected |
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| 22:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | emergency recover charge mode does NOT work with 550mA fast charge, as bq24150 power on defaults to not enabling the OTG pin :-((( |
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| 22:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | this means the whole 1707 autonomous fastcharger detection fu is completely worthless and N900 will recover_charge with 100mA, no matter what charger |
| 22:31.00 | Macer | er |
| 22:31.14 | Macer | how long do you need to recover charge for? |
| 22:31.18 | Macer | :) |
| 22:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | well, recover charging is timer limited to 32 minutes anyway |
| 22:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | now that pretty much explains why users have problems to resurrect a deep discharged battery. |
| 22:33.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that would explain the 'my phone won't charge' reports we get. |
| 22:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:33.26 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
| 22:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | poor nokia, they obviously also didn't check for this silicon bug in bq24150 |
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| 22:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe it's just a bug in datasheet? :-D |
| 22:34.30 | SpeedEvil | Does it do the right thing on boot? |
| 22:34.54 | SpeedEvil | As it seems to not be rapidly switching on 500mA detection, and in several cases power-looping |
| 22:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | (bq24150.pdf p28, table 7 - for those who want to check) |
| 22:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please rephrase |
| 22:36.01 | SpeedEvil | This may be a clear bug - in that it's a difference from the L1/L2 manual |
| 22:36.34 | SpeedEvil | I mean - many users have reported that it will loop - start to boot, crash out due to low voltage, and repeat |
| 22:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, how's that related? |
| 22:37.31 | jacekowski | well, thing is that nolo doesn't shutdown on low voltage |
| 22:37.49 | jacekowski | and bme doesn't shutdown on low voltage as well |
| 22:37.52 | MohammadAG | dsme shuts down the device afaik |
| 22:37.57 | jacekowski | it requests shutdown from dsme |
| 22:38.01 | jacekowski | but that's on timer |
| 22:38.06 | jacekowski | so it would start to charge |
| 22:38.09 | jacekowski | and cancel the timer |
| 22:38.10 | MohammadAG | you can see it in framebuffer anyways |
| 22:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | well, on a battery with a certain impedance, the device will cause bat voltage to drop under hard shutdown threshold defined in GAIA |
| 22:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | when starting to draw current |
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| 22:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes, all very nice and interesting, but applies to fully booted system, not to emergency recover charging |
| 22:40.09 | Macer | i have had my battery completely die and be ok |
| 22:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: uhum. What's the precise meaning of that? |
| 22:41.26 | Macer | you made it sound like the battery being completely drained will be difficult to recharge |
| 22:42.14 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, you get to emergency charging |
| 22:42.17 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: 32 minutes |
| 22:42.23 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: system boots |
| 22:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but only with 100mA |
| 22:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | so 50mAh might be really small charge to revive a drained cell |
| 22:42.56 | jacekowski | well, let me check |
| 22:43.10 | Macer | 30 mins @ 100mA isnt enough huh? |
| 22:43.36 | SpeedEvil | The other issue is that when it hits the charge threhod - will it always come up cleanly |
| 22:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: largely depends. you may draw a >100mAh from a cell from say 3V5 to 3V0 |
| 22:44.20 | jacekowski | hmm, nolo is charging as well |
| 22:44.58 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i see. figured it would be enough to start fast charging |
| 22:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: for charging it's irrelevant if the CPU is running NOLO or linux. from a hw POV running NOLO means system has booted |
| 22:45.06 | Macer | by booting |
| 22:45.24 | Macer | at what point does the fast charging take over during the boot? |
| 22:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | probably in NOLO, see jacekowski ^^ |
| 22:45.47 | jacekowski | yeah, but nolo starts charging like after 0.1 after cpu starts |
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| 22:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | still it needs to crank up the whole system to do that |
| 22:46.22 | jacekowski | nah, CMT is dead |
| 22:46.27 | jacekowski | display is dead |
| 22:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | so 0.1s is a loooong time for a weak cell |
| 22:46.37 | Macer | haha |
| 22:47.13 | Macer | needs to start fast charging 1 planck after poweron |
| 22:47.21 | Macer | :) |
| 22:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | and if cell is below system Vlow threshold, no linux nor NOLO will get loaded, the whole system will refuse to start |
| 22:47.48 | ShadowJK | Macer: It's pretty hard to get a "completely drained" battery in normal situations |
| 22:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | not even for a plank duration |
| 22:48.24 | kerio | ok, explain that to me... why doesn't the n900 have pure hardware charging, again? |
| 22:48.27 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: there is always option b. get a nokia external battery charger |
| 22:48.38 | ShadowJK | The furthest I've managed has only required about 20 seconds of emergency charge before gaia booted the device |
| 22:48.42 | Macer | and dont completely drain your battery |
| 22:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: it actually is not as hard as you'd guess. There are several subsystems directly powered from Vbat, which might stay on and consuming when main system goes down ungracefully |
| 22:49.18 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and it will stay in emergency charge mode |
| 22:49.46 | ShadowJK | kerio, because typically you don't want hardware messing with the usb behind your back |
| 22:50.27 | kerio | ShadowJK: pure charging from the original nokia charger, the one with the shorted pins, at least |
| 22:50.28 | ShadowJK | When the system is down, it's supposed to emergency charge entirely without software though, but as DocScrutinizer just discovered in the datasheet, the defaults are slooow :) |
| 22:50.54 | jacekowski | kerio: it's charging at 100mA |
| 22:51.20 | kerio | it could be charging at... 1100? |
| 22:51.23 | Macer | maybe they should have kept the old charging style |
| 22:51.27 | Macer | :) |
| 22:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I just found it doesn't matter if original fastcharger or anything else |
| 22:51.36 | jacekowski | Macer: they couldn't |
| 22:51.44 | Macer | jacekowski: why? |
| 22:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | if that's really a bug in hw and not in datasheet |
| 22:51.46 | ShadowJK | kerio, when you discharge the battery that low, it's not a good idea to try cram that much down it anyway.. |
| 22:51.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, in recovery mode |
| 22:51.53 | jacekowski | Macer: microusb charging |
| 22:52.12 | jacekowski | Macer: all manufacturers agreed that they will use microusb for charging |
| 22:52.25 | Macer | jacekowski: they could have used both ;) |
| 22:52.32 | jacekowski | ekhm |
| 22:52.41 | ShadowJK | Nokia E75 has both :) |
| 22:52.50 | Macer | ShadowJK: ;) |
| 22:52.52 | kerio | jacekowski: let's add two microusb ports |
| 22:52.55 | ShadowJK | And it has different hw for the microusb charging and for the 2mm charging.. |
| 22:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: well, agreed is not exactly the word :-P |
| 22:53.09 | ShadowJK | Totally different behaviour.. |
| 22:53.23 | jacekowski | costs and space |
| 22:53.26 | jacekowski | mostly space |
| 22:53.44 | Macer | jacekowski: i would say mostly cost ;) |
| 22:54.02 | jacekowski | say whatever you want |
| 22:54.11 | jacekowski | i'm not listening anyways |
| 22:54.17 | Macer | haha |
| 22:54.51 | Macer | business is business .. money talks |
| 22:55.28 | ShadowJK | SmartQ has pretty awesome circuit for charging.. but it also comes with a gigantic psu (current-wise) :P |
| 22:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, who's got a lab PSU to probe VBUS current, and would be willing to discharge his battery to <3V, then check how much N900 draws in recovery charging mode? |
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| 22:55.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i can |
| 22:55.50 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not today though |
| 22:55.53 | kerio | why would the recovery charge only draw 100mA from usb but 500 from the fastcharger? |
| 22:55.53 | jacekowski | monday |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 22:55.57 | jacekowski | maybe tomorrow |
| 22:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: awesome |
| 22:56.38 | jacekowski | but amount of current n900 sucked from power supply was quite amazing |
| 22:56.44 | jacekowski | i had to set current limiter to 1A |
| 22:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | won't suffice |
| 22:57.00 | jacekowski | well, it was enough |
| 22:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | you'll see burst of >2A |
| 22:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | worst case that is |
| 22:57.19 | jacekowski | well, 1A was enough to boot it |
| 22:57.23 | ShadowJK | SmartQ has a chip that disconnects battery and switches system to run directly form PSU, and connects battery to charger chip and charger chip is connected to PSU.. so the PSU is powering the system directly, without battery for load balancing.. The charger chip can run entirely autonomously, because it's effectively only connected to the battery and in full control of what happens :) |
| 22:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | from battery |
| 22:57.51 | jacekowski | smartq? |
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| 22:57.59 | ShadowJK | chinese tablets |
| 22:58.31 | jacekowski | and hmm, that the thing |
| 22:58.36 | jacekowski | system booted |
| 22:58.43 | jacekowski | from power supply |
| 22:58.47 | jacekowski | with bsi disconnected |
| 22:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | is it a phone? if yes, how does it buffer above mentioned bursts? |
| 22:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 22:59.22 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it's not a phone, but it sometimes gets bundled with usb 2g/3g dongles |
| 22:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: err, please rephrase |
| 22:59.33 | jacekowski | i had phone connected to power supply |
| 22:59.40 | jacekowski | just positive and negative battery terminals |
| 22:59.44 | jacekowski | and BSI left N/C |
| 22:59.48 | luke-jr | does N900 support GSM |
| 22:59.56 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, yes |
| 22:59.56 | jacekowski | luke-jr: it's a tablet |
| 22:59.58 | luke-jr | err.. the audio codec I mean... |
| 23:00.01 | kerio | luke-jr: for data? |
| 23:00.09 | luke-jr | for SIP |
| 23:00.16 | kerio | oh |
| 23:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | good q, no idea |
| 23:00.28 | luke-jr | XR |
| 23:00.29 | luke-jr | XD* |
| 23:00.29 | kerio | dunno vOv |
| 23:00.36 | ShadowJK | tests whether he can hibernate, change bios settings, thaw |
| 23:00.42 | jacekowski | going back to bsi |
| 23:00.48 | luke-jr | I was having very very poor call quality the other day |
| 23:00.53 | luke-jr | with 3/3.5 G |
| 23:00.53 | jacekowski | i had bsi disconnected and working system |
| 23:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 23:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 23:01.13 | jacekowski | so bme detects that battery is gone in some other way |
| 23:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | bme stopped? |
| 23:01.24 | jacekowski | or |
| 23:01.25 | jacekowski | hmm, |
| 23:01.31 | jacekowski | maybe it compares bsi value |
| 23:01.41 | jacekowski | from startup to current one |
| 23:01.44 | ShadowJK | My N810 boots without bsi too, but makes angry bing through speakers and pops up a dialog saying Not Charging :) |
| 23:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | probably it detects bat gone only while charging |
| 23:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | as it'd be rather pointless when running from battery anyway :-P |
| 23:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | but that indicates BSI is no temperature sensor or anything (except if it shorts to 0R on overtemp) |
| 23:03.37 | ShadowJK | wonders if bq24150 retains settings down to 2.5V |
| 23:03.54 | ShadowJK | maybe only battery removal kills fastcharge then |
| 23:03.57 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, you have a beagle don't you? |
| 23:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'd say yes, but lemme check |
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| 23:04.26 | jacekowski | i have giant schnauzer |
| 23:05.17 | MohammadAG | beagleboard lol |
| 23:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: my idea of that is: you can not set anything in bq24150 registers that will survive a main system down, as watchdog is started on any I2C activity and expiring makes the chip do full reset |
| 23:06.44 | ShadowJK | bme has a habbit of putting it in charger disable, high z mode |
| 23:07.22 | luke-jr | I wish the battery log thing worked better |
| 23:07.29 | luke-jr | blames Python |
| 23:07.33 | jacekowski | bme have some other nasty habits as well |
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| 23:09.10 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: yeah, i have a beagleboardf |
| 23:09.31 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, is it worth it, need to dump scratchbox for native ARM compilation |
| 23:09.35 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, batterygraph? |
| 23:09.41 | MohammadAG | it seems to be the only option |
| 23:09.44 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, battery-eye? |
| 23:09.46 | MohammadAG | plus it has a few neat extras |
| 23:09.56 | jacekowski | it's slow |
| 23:10.01 | jacekowski | too slow for compilation |
| 23:10.12 | MohammadAG | even the mX? |
| 23:10.15 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: -eye |
| 23:10.16 | jacekowski | chromium compilation would take ages |
| 23:10.32 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it only updates visibly when the charge/discharge rate changes |
| 23:10.42 | jacekowski | i suppose qemu on fast computer would be faster |
| 23:10.55 | luke-jr | jacekowski: just distcc |
| 23:11.08 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, I didn't know it calculated rates :) |
| 23:11.29 | jacekowski | nvidia tegra |
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| 23:13.07 | ShadowJK | But generally, when display is off system isn't updating the charge meter very often. Perhaps once every two hours. Only reliable way of getting a vaguely recent value is to have battery icon out of view, and then switch to desktop or something so that it becomes visible on the status area/systray again |
| 23:13.28 | ShadowJK | this applies to the maemo charge meter only, of course |
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| 23:14.06 | ham5 | netmon gives pretty good realtime battery stats |
| 23:14.56 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it moves the right side, but doesn't draw a line until I turn off charge or turn on charge |
| 23:15.23 | ShadowJK | Oh I guess plugging and unplugging charge also updates :) |
| 23:16.03 | ShadowJK | (and if you accidentally trigger updates after charging, you can sometimes see the meter climbing several minutes after end of charge) |
| 23:16.15 | ShadowJK | ham5: netmon? eh |
| 23:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | damn net outage |
| 23:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: netmon, great cmt diagnose tool |
| 23:17.33 | ShadowJK | we can and know how to access the hw fuel gauge chip anyway, which updates most of its ~two dozen registers every 5 secs or better |
| 23:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | maybe really reads bat voltage from modem |
| 23:17.52 | FIQ | + |
| 23:18.05 | ShadowJK | I didn't know we had netmon on n900 |
| 23:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | since a week or two |
| 23:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | even hildonized |
| 23:18.55 | ShadowJK | leaked or nokia? |
| 23:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | no real netmon |
| 23:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | just the standard thing |
| 23:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | via cellmo |
| 23:19.32 | ShadowJK | standard thing? |
| 23:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | cellid, dBm |
| 23:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | MNC |
| 23:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | such things |
| 23:19.59 | ShadowJK | no neughbour cells? |
| 23:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | nope :-( |
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| 23:20.25 | kerio | it fails on GSM for me :( |
| 23:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | wfm |
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| 23:21.38 | kerio | that's why i said "for me" |
| 23:22.08 | ShadowJK | So except for battery readings from cellmo side, there's no new info? |
| 23:22.21 | ShadowJK | No 3g timers? |
| 23:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:22.35 | trumee | luke-jr: it support g729 |
| 23:22.45 | luke-jr | trumee: nothing else does |
| 23:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | no T3212, no C1/C2, no neighbours |
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| 23:23.03 | trumee | luke-jr: hmm. my asterisk does. i have bought a license :) |
| 23:23.19 | luke-jr | trumee: I don't use proprietary software. |
| 23:23.58 | trumee | luke-jr: there is a free implementation of g729. not sure whether it will be legal in your country |
| 23:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | k, back to bq24150 sysfs driver specs... |
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| 23:24.38 | trumee | luke-jr: although g729 does eat up more cpu compared to pcmu/pcma on N900 |
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| 23:26.17 | trumee | luke-jr: http://groups.google.com/group/asterisk-g729 |
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| 23:39.19 | peter40 | any of you ever tried hacking one of those Nokia headsets you get with their phones?. They have a mic as well as an earphone and a small remote to play/skip tracks?..I want to know what happens when I press a button to play/skip track..what signal pases into the 3.5mm jack |
| 23:40.32 | kerio | i think it's standard |
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| 23:42.38 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1902110 peter40 |
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| 23:44.47 | anndy_ | hi everyone |
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