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| 00:03.52 | tuliobaars | sorry asjN900, but i didn't get your point |
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| 00:08.11 | tuliobaars | so quiet! We need more action! What time do you have more time to talk?? Maybe in the mid of afternoon? |
| 00:10.29 | ptl | tuliobaars: ? |
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| 00:11.48 | tuliobaars | what? |
| 00:11.52 | ptl | tuliobaars: many people here are from Europe, and it's late at night there already |
| 00:12.00 | tuliobaars | ahh |
| 00:12.01 | ptl | that's why this channel is usually quiet at this time |
| 00:12.07 | tuliobaars | hummm |
| 00:12.11 | tuliobaars | sorry |
| 00:12.33 | ptl | Don't apologize, I am from Brazil. :P So, you got difficulties building a package? |
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| 00:12.36 | ptl | What are you using? |
| 00:13.02 | tuliobaars | My N810, why? |
| 00:13.12 | tuliobaars | oh, sorry |
| 00:13.22 | tuliobaars | i'm form Florianopolis! |
| 00:13.30 | ptl | to develop your program |
| 00:13.39 | ptl | Qt Creator? Scratchbox? Something else? |
| 00:13.47 | tuliobaars | Sctacthbox |
| 00:13.51 | tuliobaars | ouch |
| 00:14.21 | tuliobaars | I'm Brazillian too |
| 00:14.32 | ptl | well, scratchbox is a complete Linux environment with all the packaging command-line tools you need... There are some guides on packaging |
| 00:15.32 | tuliobaars | yeah, but i guess i would have to rebuild my script instead of debbuging, or not? |
| 00:16.32 | ptl | ? |
| 00:16.32 | ptl | Not quite sure what you mean by that |
| 00:16.49 | ptl | You would just aggregate all stuff needed to run it on an installable file |
| 00:17.42 | tuliobaars | oh, just get your point |
| 00:18.10 | tuliobaars | which one you prefer: Scratch box or Qt? |
| 00:19.19 | ptl | Well, scratchbox is easier to use because it's a GNU/Linux environment and I am a long time user of GNU/Linux. But Qt Creator has lots of features and it's the future for Maemo/Meego, so I must get acquainted to it. |
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| 00:20.07 | ptl | I do not have a fixed opinion on that, though |
| 00:20.31 | ptl | I'm trying to do stuff in Qt Creator, if it proves too difficult I'll resort to scratchbox |
| 00:20.35 | ptl | or even command-line MADDE |
| 00:21.31 | tuliobaars | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:23.20 | pauly | hello |
| 00:23.31 | tuliobaars | cause my Scratchbox is a trash |
| 00:23.41 | tuliobaars | i can't do any bullshit |
| 00:23.57 | tuliobaars | Buggy as a wood |
| 00:24.19 | pauly | my phone died and has been charging for an hour |
| 00:24.27 | pauly | but stil wont turn on |
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| 00:24.44 | pauly | tried holding u and connecting to pc via usb |
| 00:24.57 | microlith | pull the battery |
| 00:24.57 | pauly | and still it dont do nothing? |
| 00:25.16 | tuliobaars | Reflash it |
| 00:25.23 | microlith | he's trying to do that |
| 00:25.40 | tuliobaars | Hard Reset it |
| 00:25.42 | microlith | least that's what it looks like :) |
| 00:25.48 | pauly | im notr trying to reflash it, just want it on |
| 00:26.06 | asj | pauly: when you say died, what do you mean? |
| 00:26.13 | pauly | i drained the battery last night, and now it wont turn on |
| 00:26.18 | asj | fell in the ocean with it and it died? |
| 00:26.20 | asj | oh ok |
| 00:26.25 | pauly | lol |
| 00:26.36 | asj | pauly: is the orange led lit? |
| 00:26.40 | pauly | ya |
| 00:26.44 | pauly | been |
| 00:26.49 | tuliobaars | no, he jumped off a building using it |
| 00:27.13 | pauly | lol ya i wanted to test the n900fly app |
| 00:27.17 | asj | pauly: blinking or steady? |
| 00:27.27 | pauly | steady |
| 00:27.28 | tuliobaars | Rofl |
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| 00:27.35 | ptl | tuliobaars: actually I am trying :P |
| 00:27.56 | tuliobaars | Try to remove the battery and wait 15min. sharp |
| 00:28.05 | pauly | really? |
| 00:28.06 | asj | pauly: I think someone mentioned, maybe SpeedEvil, or someone, that's the emergency trickle charge, only charges slowly at 100mA till it can boot |
| 00:28.10 | tuliobaars | after pull the battery, and dunnot turn on |
| 00:28.28 | tuliobaars | wait 5min to turn it on |
| 00:28.31 | ptl | pauly: you might want to use it in an external recharger, or recharge it in a cellphone that uses the same battery |
| 00:28.35 | pauly | asj: ya but its been a while? |
| 00:28.37 | tuliobaars | so its going to work |
| 00:29.01 | asj | pauly: it'll take a while, though I thought an hour should be enough |
| 00:29.09 | pauly | i bought extrenal charger off ebay but that will take some time. |
| 00:29.19 | tuliobaars | no no, try to make a kinda reset on sys bios |
| 00:29.28 | tuliobaars | like what i said |
| 00:29.39 | asj | tuliobaars: you say lots of contradictory things |
| 00:29.43 | pauly | lol |
| 00:29.55 | pauly | i had this problem be4 |
| 00:30.01 | asj | pauly: how did you fix it? |
| 00:30.04 | pauly | but i sold the other phone :( |
| 00:30.08 | tuliobaars | why, mister know everything? |
| 00:30.22 | pauly | charged battery with other phone |
| 00:30.29 | pauly | but now its gone |
| 00:30.30 | tuliobaars | its just how i resolve this |
| 00:30.51 | pauly | so leave it without battery |
| 00:31.07 | asj | pauly: why don't you have a normal wallwart? |
| 00:31.10 | pauly | for 15 min till i gues bios resets? |
| 00:31.12 | smackpotato | batterys cost like 3 bucks |
| 00:31.19 | pauly | really? |
| 00:31.21 | tuliobaars | simple as life: remove the battery, wait 15 min, put the battery again and its done |
| 00:31.36 | tuliobaars | yeah, like desktops |
| 00:31.49 | tuliobaars | same way |
| 00:31.50 | asj | pauly: can't hurt anyways |
| 00:31.56 | tuliobaars | try |
| 00:32.00 | pauly | asj: thanks |
| 00:32.08 | pauly | but i do want another battery |
| 00:32.09 | asj | (and no it's not like desktops) |
| 00:32.28 | pauly | so wallmart would have this, i went to best buy and like 3 t-mobile stores |
| 00:32.33 | tuliobaars | OK. Just my device is like. All others no. |
| 00:32.34 | asj | pauly: I'm not a fan of the $3 batteries |
| 00:32.59 | pauly | i didn't know this existed |
| 00:33.09 | tuliobaars | try to do this |
| 00:33.14 | pauly | $3 battery |
| 00:33.18 | smackpotato | i bought one on e bay it works but there is a certain brand you have to get |
| 00:33.18 | tuliobaars | is simple and easy |
| 00:33.41 | smackpotato | also battery chargers |
| 00:33.46 | asj | pauly: between the potential for fire, and the fact that I keep my phone in my pocket beside my nuts and ride a motorcycle and can't expell the flaming device quickly enough and the trashed n900 why not spend a bit more and get a real one :) |
| 00:33.50 | smackpotato | cheep |
| 00:34.00 | pauly | lol |
| 00:34.03 | microlith | uprotected chinese batteries are very cheap ;) |
| 00:34.09 | microlith | unprotected* |
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| 00:34.18 | pauly | well battery has been out of phone since u told me to do so |
| 00:35.04 | pauly | but if wallmart has a bateery for 3 bucks i feel i should go and try it out. |
| 00:35.12 | ptl | according to talk.maemo.org threads, tuliobaars's strategy might work: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38961 |
| 00:35.26 | microlith | I'd be surprised if Walmart carried a battery that worked with the N900 |
| 00:35.27 | smackpotato | the protection is built into the phone , unlike the ones i used in a flashlight |
| 00:35.31 | ptl | "Try to take out the battery for a while, then press and hold the power button for 30 seconds or so.. Wait a bit then plug the battery back in.. Then hook the charger back into the N900 and see what happens.. Hope this works out for you! " |
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| 00:35.43 | microlith | smackpotato: there are circuits in most decent Li-ION batteries |
| 00:35.46 | tuliobaars | so, are you going to try this way? I just wanna help... this works in most cases |
| 00:36.19 | tuliobaars | HAHAHA. WHAT I HAVE SAID, ASJ? |
| 00:36.49 | asj | pauly: you've confused wallwart with wallmart. When charging the n900/battery normally a dedicated charger wallwart works quickest. One should have come with the n900 |
| 00:37.07 | tuliobaars | TAAKE OUT THE BATTERY AND WAIT, SO PLUG AGAIN |
| 00:37.12 | tuliobaars | SORRY |
| 00:37.12 | microlith | chill dude |
| 00:37.16 | pauly | im waiting |
| 00:37.28 | asj | tuliobaars: dooode, you tunneling pupnik? |
| 00:37.36 | pauly | been waiting..... |
| 00:37.50 | pauly | im chill i think lol sry for being a retard |
| 00:38.55 | smackpotato | microlith now. i didn't realize that i bought som li-ion for a flashlight they just discharged below the minimum charge never to be charged a gain |
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| 00:39.03 | pauly | so, um hows the weather, it rained here today. |
| 00:39.14 | asj | pauly: you're not being annoying :) |
| 00:39.30 | pauly | asj: thanks |
| 00:39.31 | tuliobaars | what asj? |
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| 00:39.56 | pauly | asj is that's persons irc nickname lol |
| 00:40.11 | asj | pauly: hmm? |
| 00:40.31 | pauly | "<tuliobaars> what asj?" |
| 00:40.32 | tuliobaars | so confusing |
| 00:40.51 | tuliobaars | yeah, what he said! |
| 00:40.52 | luke-jr | asj: mine came w/ a Europe wallwart :( |
| 00:40.59 | pauly | lol |
| 00:41.06 | asj | luke-jr: you also got yours for free :) |
| 00:41.14 | luke-jr | true :) |
| 00:41.28 | asj | luke-jr: plus ratshack sells the little converters for like $3 |
| 00:41.33 | luke-jr | any idea how many people actually use Gentoo on N900? |
| 00:41.35 | pauly | mine came with a "compatible" charger, bought it off ebay for $365 used |
| 00:42.15 | asj | pauly: I wonder if that isn't helping, if you look at it what's the output current rated at? |
| 00:43.01 | tuliobaars | so asj, i thiink the answers were almost the same |
| 00:43.16 | pauly | i think |
| 00:43.30 | luke-jr | or any idea where to find the N900 kernel .config? |
| 00:43.32 | luke-jr | PR1.2 |
| 00:43.45 | pauly | hold on brb going to downstairs laptop |
| 00:44.27 | microlith | luke-jr: it should come in the kernel tarball, if you pull it down via the SDK |
| 00:44.33 | luke-jr | microlith: where? |
| 00:44.52 | luke-jr | I tried rx51_defconfig, but that has netfilter enabled (whereas the running one doesn't...) |
| 00:44.56 | microlith | not sure where, I just did an apt-get in scratchbox |
| 00:45.04 | luke-jr | I mean where in the source ;P |
| 00:45.17 | microlith | ah |
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| 00:48.44 | Pauly | hello, all |
| 00:49.12 | Pauly | im back sry i took so long running on puppy linux without hdd |
| 00:49.21 | Pauly | im ghetto |
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| 00:50.32 | Pauly | asj: hi. |
| 00:50.45 | asj | Pauly: ? |
| 00:51.10 | Pauly | i left and now im back lol thought yous would miss me |
| 00:51.14 | Pauly | lol |
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| 00:51.20 | luke-jr | unlikely |
| 00:51.29 | luke-jr | we have 489 other idiots here |
| 00:51.32 | Pauly | im going to put the battery back in now |
| 00:51.45 | Pauly | ya, but im an awesome idiot |
| 00:52.38 | asj | glad someone thinks so |
| 00:53.14 | Pauly | well that did'nt work |
| 00:53.26 | Pauly | i know i suck at typing |
| 00:54.22 | Pauly | i have an HTC wall charger that uses usb |
| 00:54.24 | asj | Pauly: what happens when you press the power button? |
| 00:54.40 | Pauly | nothing at all. |
| 00:54.46 | asj | no vibrate nothing? |
| 00:54.56 | Pauly | not even the dim screen boot |
| 00:55.01 | Pauly | nothing |
| 00:56.27 | asj | without a voltmeter, the only think I can say is let it sit a few hours maybe it'll charge, try a nokia charger or maybe you got a dud battery. I've had many of them die and never had a problem |
| 00:56.45 | Pauly | this only happend once i drained the battery, charging the battery for few minutes in a nokia 5230 nuron and then switching battery back works. |
| 00:56.55 | Pauly | but i sold my phone. |
| 00:58.24 | asj | oh, and use a nokia battery, maybe it's not trickle charging some odd chinese knock off? |
| 00:58.40 | Pauly | asj: it is nokia battery |
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| 00:59.03 | asj | then what I first said |
| 01:00.06 | Pauly | just not nokia charger but i do have an 5v 1a output htc charger so im gonna use that with nokia data cable |
| 01:00.13 | Pauly | thanks |
| 01:02.06 | Pauly | asj: hey should i buy and extra bl-5j battery (i already have one but i do have a desktop battery charger coming in the mail) or a nokia wall charger? |
| 01:02.10 | ptl | Nokia data cable is 500mA only, isn't it? |
| 01:02.38 | asj | Pauly: <shrug> never had this problem, don't know |
| 01:03.13 | ptl | I bought a wall charger for emergencies |
| 01:03.16 | ptl | it's really cheap |
| 01:03.20 | ptl | but I never had to use it. |
| 01:03.36 | ptl | I mean, external wall charger |
| 01:03.44 | Pauly | pti: like one you put a battery in. |
| 01:03.49 | ptl | yes |
| 01:03.56 | Pauly | ya i bought one off ebay. |
| 01:04.09 | Pauly | but i hate cause ihave to wait couple days |
| 01:04.29 | ptl | oh... |
| 01:04.53 | ptl | I would freak out if my phone died, lol |
| 01:04.57 | Pauly | ptl: so have u ever used your battery til the phone died out |
| 01:04.58 | ptl | I'm so dependent on it already |
| 01:05.16 | ptl | I depleted it once but it recharged normally |
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| 01:05.46 | Pauly | ptl: really, so maybe i should buy a nokia charger? |
| 01:06.31 | ptl | I dunno, I do not know if there's a real difference. |
| 01:07.24 | asj | Pauly: it's simply a guess, who knows |
| 01:08.35 | Pauly | thanks |
| 01:09.04 | Pauly | well i know im not the only one cause other people have posted pthe same prob |
| 01:09.36 | Pauly | well ill let it charge til my extrnal battery charger comes in mail. |
| 01:09.47 | asj | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46549 |
| 01:09.54 | asj | not very helpful |
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| 01:12.20 | flailingmonkey | Pauly: the trickle charge will take a LONG time to get it back to working levels |
| 01:12.39 | flailingmonkey | one 32 minute session is not enough |
| 01:13.52 | flailingmonkey | I highly suggest a charger with the data pins shorted, as DocScrutinizer mentioned |
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| 01:15.10 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 01:15.26 | flailingmonkey | such as the original Nokia wall charger |
| 01:15.35 | SpeedEvil | Do you not have the stock nokia charger? |
| 01:15.42 | Pauly | no |
| 01:15.48 | Pauly | bought the phone used |
| 01:16.09 | flailingmonkey | which is why I suggest buying one :) |
| 01:16.17 | Pauly | i shall |
| 01:16.24 | asj | Pauly: 2 of us have now suggested it :) |
| 01:16.32 | Pauly | :) |
| 01:16.51 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:17.33 | Pauly | but i have extrnal wall charger coming in mail, plus i think i'll have to buy the nokia charger online since there is like no nokia store in maryland |
| 01:17.34 | flailingmonkey | Pauly: anyway, you will have to do the emergency charge orange light thing multiple times |
| 01:17.59 | flailingmonkey | Pauly: actually they closed all the Nokia stores in the US :( |
| 01:18.08 | asj | I'm sure some stores sell accessories |
| 01:18.21 | asj | (though not many phones use micro-usb only) |
| 01:18.39 | Pauly | ya i had a 5230 nuron |
| 01:18.59 | Pauly | used the pin charger |
| 01:19.22 | Pauly | but microusb was only for data on that phone, would'nt charge off usb |
| 01:20.48 | flailingmonkey | Pauly: as long as the phone charged the battery, didn't matter where it came from |
| 01:21.09 | Pauly | ya i know |
| 01:21.29 | PerfDave | is looking for a way to charge his N900 off a bike dynamo |
| 01:21.35 | ptl | why did they close all nokia stores? |
| 01:21.37 | flailingmonkey | so, you can get your phone working, by doing a bunch more emergency charges |
| 01:21.38 | Pauly | hey flailingmonkey, asj thanks for letting me know about the 32 min charge thing |
| 01:22.24 | Pauly | im using the 1a output usb charger from htc, i think thats my best option for now. |
| 01:22.26 | flailingmonkey | no problem |
| 01:23.10 | Pauly | i've been wanting n900 since last year now i finally got it. i love it so much.... |
| 01:23.14 | SpeedEvil | If you have a spare USB A-A male-female it's easy to do |
| 01:23.18 | SpeedEvil | slice open the cable |
| 01:23.28 | SpeedEvil | join the white and grey wires. |
| 01:23.32 | Pauly | im using the nokia data cable |
| 01:23.57 | flailingmonkey | i hope the pins are shorted, because then it won't take long! unfortunately if the data pins aren't shorted, the N900 will only draw 100mA of that 1A (safety design thing) |
| 01:24.04 | SpeedEvil | plug charger without D+ and D- shorted to the 'host' end - and the n900 stock USB cable to the + end |
| 01:24.09 | SpeedEvil | to the other end |
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| 01:24.40 | Pauly | ya im not that smart lol already confused |
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| 01:25.02 | flailingmonkey | he's explaining how to make a cable that will charge fast |
| 01:25.10 | Pauly | is there a way to see if the pins are shorted cause i have like allot diffrent micro usb chargers |
| 01:25.58 | flailingmonkey | most won't. and its not something you'll be able to check visually |
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| 01:26.24 | Pauly | speedevil: cant do that cause i have no idea which parts are which? |
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| 01:30.44 | flailingmonkey | with a multimeter |
| 01:31.00 | ham5 | break out the fluke |
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| 16:13.33 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 16:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | ([A]GPS) - I recently noticed - by comparing two devices - that even with WLAN internet access and a decent idea of current location (lon/lat correct in GPSjinni to at least 1. decimal), the device with a non-registered SIM too ages (stopped it after 15min) to get a fix, while the other device with registered/logged-in SIM got a fix in 10s |
| 16:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | so it seems there is still some kinda bug in PR1.2 with assisted GPS |
| 16:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | (if it's not the one device being broken hw :-P ) |
| 16:18.49 | RST38h | Doc: It appears to use cell info for localization |
| 16:19.01 | RST38h | (not as in language localization of course) |
| 16:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | more seems like GPS driver managing the A bit really doesn't know how to use any prev location guess of locationlib which is *not* based on cell info |
| 16:19.58 | Corsac | when gps enables, it first reset the position to the center of the country it's in, something like that |
| 16:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: that's not what I observed in GPSjinni |
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| 16:20.49 | RST38h | Apple Censors Consumer Report iPhone4 Discussions |
| 16:21.08 | RST38h | fun! |
| 16:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: as mentioned above the lon/lat shown was pretty exact, but still no fix for GPS, despite the fact it *could* get assisting data via WLAN from internet, based on lat/lon shown in GPSjinni |
| 16:22.40 | RST38h | Doc: file a bug and raise hell |
| 16:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, I skipped the PIN input so modem wasn't really powered up. Lemme try again with inputting some PIN (SIM still won't log in as it is an expired one) |
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| 16:25.01 | GAN900 | RST38h, I don't think that works anymore |
| 16:25.02 | tuliobaars | hello |
| 16:26.00 | RST38h | GAN: True |
| 16:26.09 | GAN900 | Since "maintenance mode" is just code for "we really don't care, but we're going to pretend just a little to appease these irritating people." |
| 16:26.10 | RST38h | GAN: Is anyone still working on supporting maemo5 at all? |
| 16:26.34 | Corsac | they all moved to harmattan! |
| 16:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ack |
| 16:26.40 | GAN900 | RST38h, supposedly |
| 16:26.49 | tuliobaars | harmattan? |
| 16:26.50 | GAN900 | RST38h, I don't buy it, personally. |
| 16:26.57 | tuliobaars | is it ready? |
| 16:26.57 | xim_ | is there a way to change the maemo system sounds? (n900) |
| 16:26.57 | RST38h | shame |
| 16:27.08 | tuliobaars | sure, xim_ |
| 16:27.10 | GAN900 | aye |
| 16:27.20 | tuliobaars | in /usr/share, i guess |
| 16:27.51 | tuliobaars | or someplace around there |
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| 16:28.01 | xim_ | ahh, so i'm supposed to manuallly replace the wav files? seems like a hack, i expected to change a pointer in a config or menu of some kind |
| 16:28.28 | tuliobaars | Gconf editor |
| 16:28.42 | tuliobaars | you can change the target |
| 16:28.49 | tuliobaars | for wav files |
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| 16:30.36 | tuliobaars | OK, got it? |
| 16:30.40 | tuliobaars | xim_ ? |
| 16:30.47 | tuliobaars | Burps! |
| 16:31.16 | xim_ | im looking into it |
| 16:31.43 | tuliobaars | OK, good luck |
| 16:32.01 | xim_ | honestly i only have the vaugest idea, i'm checking to see if there is gconf-editor in the app manager, and im not sure where to look in there if it does |
| 16:32.05 | tuliobaars | if u have some questions, just ask |
| 16:32.12 | xim_ | ok thanks! |
| 16:32.50 | tuliobaars | Sure! You're welcome |
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| 16:33.35 | tuliobaars | SpeedEvil! |
| 16:33.46 | tuliobaars | Wazzup |
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| 16:35.30 | tuliobaars | Slept on the Floor |
| 16:37.11 | tuliobaars | So, xim_, Everithing OK? I think it would be easier if you connect your N900 in PC with WinSCP to change the files |
| 16:38.01 | xim_ | yeah, i think your right |
| 16:38.07 | xim_ | it seems there is no gconf-editor |
| 16:38.11 | xim_ | and i use ssh all the time |
| 16:38.16 | tuliobaars | it would be very easier that doing targeting file to file |
| 16:38.21 | tuliobaars | yeah |
| 16:38.50 | tuliobaars | No, the Gconf Editor is avaible for all maemo devices, i guess |
| 16:39.15 | xim_ | nice! found them all under /usr/share/sounds |
| 16:39.27 | tuliobaars | yeah! |
| 16:39.45 | tuliobaars | I said something on /usr/share |
| 16:39.58 | xim_ | i have gconftool, its command line, but gconf-editor wasn't in the app manager |
| 16:40.00 | xim_ | o well |
| 16:40.04 | tuliobaars | IRC 1 x 0 N900 |
| 16:40.09 | xim_ | this will work thanks |
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| 16:40.12 | xim_ | lol ya |
| 16:40.22 | tuliobaars | So add some repo and update |
| 16:40.27 | tuliobaars | install in xterm |
| 16:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | ([A]GPS) - mhm, it seems AGPS is using the current lon/lat values only when location lib reports at least "low precision". On the device without cell info the GPS applet says "no location" despite the lon/lat it correct from last fix, so GPS lingers on with 3 (correct) sats found, at 80% 96% 100%, but doesn't find any further sat nor gets a fix |
| 16:40.40 | tuliobaars | so let me tell you something |
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| 16:41.01 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: can that be fixed? |
| 16:41.14 | kerio | i mean, having a registered sim is not that hard, and the n900 *is* a phone, but still... |
| 16:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | dunno. You could at least fake a cellinfo |
| 16:41.49 | tuliobaars | When i was adding some repo in my N810, some N900 apps where avaible for N810! |
| 16:42.11 | tuliobaars | I've installed some FreMantle apps on N810 |
| 16:42.17 | tuliobaars | incredible! |
| 16:42.30 | kerio | tuliobaars: do they work? |
| 16:42.31 | kerio | :o |
| 16:42.38 | tuliobaars | yeah! |
| 16:42.45 | tuliobaars | slow but work |
| 16:43.16 | xim_ | ah maybe its because i had turned off extras-development because someone said it would help me install the autodisconnect app |
| 16:43.17 | tuliobaars | like the easy-deb-chroot |
| 16:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | woooot, it found a 4th sat - even one of those the other device is using as best ones (before it had bogus sat every now and then, which didn't show up at all in the device with fix) |
| 16:43.36 | tuliobaars | i'm not sure but can be |
| 16:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | tadaaaa, FIX! |
| 16:43.42 | tuliobaars | turn all repos on |
| 16:43.42 | RST38h | http://dailydiscord.net/resources/vaderKitty.jpg |
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| 16:44.18 | tuliobaars | Its strange, running FreMantle apps |
| 16:44.19 | xim_ | haha |
| 16:44.40 | tuliobaars | on Diablo |
| 16:44.42 | tuliobaars | BUT... |
| 16:44.49 | tuliobaars | I had to install at least 30 libraries... |
| 16:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | another detail I noticed: it seems like GPS isn't really started 'full power' by GPSjinni. At least the device with SIM ramped up number of found sats from 3 to 7, ~10s after I started maps app |
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| 16:47.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: what about the builtin map widget? |
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| 16:47.37 | RST38h | when you run GPS Diagnostic Utility though, it seems to be much snappier |
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| 16:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: not tested |
| 16:49.34 | smhar | I have installed LED Pattern Editor, but can not seem to find it anywhere in the list of installed applications |
| 16:49.44 | kerio | smhar: settings? |
| 16:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yes, I seem to remember similar |
| 16:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: it's in settings |
| 16:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | and it has a bug ;-D |
| 16:50.24 | smhar | ohh,, thanks :-) |
| 16:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | but no bgtracker |
| 16:50.30 | smhar | what bug? |
| 16:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | period duration is shown as half of what it actually is |
| 16:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | or double? |
| 16:51.06 | alterego | Nice Qt SDK just got hit with "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process :D |
| 16:51.40 | kerio | what's wrong with the default patterns? |
| 16:52.03 | smackpotat | if anyone is interested in overclocking there 810 see this synopsys of how im coming along at this page under dochez. i like the guys software very much and it souldn't be to hard to convert to diablo |
| 16:52.34 | smackpotat | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Donate |
| 16:52.34 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: god damn, i am sorry. i just always forget to send you the adapter :( |
| 16:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: no worries - it's no showstopper |
| 16:53.35 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: good to know. i have a insanely slow non-functioning brain in the summer time due to the heat. |
| 16:54.08 | xim_ | i really dont think maemo has gconf-editor |
| 16:54.41 | Myrtti | I know I've seen one for atleast Diablo |
| 16:54.49 | smackpotat | diablo has it xim_ |
| 16:55.00 | Myrtti | and even if there isn't, gconf files are just xml |
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| 16:55.21 | Myrtti | it's not rocket science to edit them |
| 16:56.19 | xim_ | i'm trying to find a way to modify the system sounds of the device without just overwriting the files and which would mean formatting my files i want as aac's or wavs so they match the random default formats etc |
| 16:56.30 | smackpotat | are there any makefile experts here |
| 16:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, any network masters around? |
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| 16:57.29 | smackpotat | what doo you have doc |
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| 16:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | my IRC bouncer has a send-Q of some 6000, to the external IP that's my N900 3G internet connection |
| 16:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | of course xchat on N900 lags like hell |
| 16:58.04 | smackpotat | can't help u |
| 16:58.26 | smackpotat | i use pidgin |
| 16:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | could anything ahead of an outbound TCP connection block packet sending? |
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| 16:59.34 | smackpotat | these arnt easy questions |
| 16:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | or is that just the amount of of not yet ACKed packets piling up in the sendQ? |
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| 17:01.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | strange enough outbound from N900 is reasonably fast |
| 17:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | like ~500ms max from one client to other |
| 17:02.09 | smackpotat | kind of slow dont you think |
| 17:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | just inbound only sometimes is laggy up to minutes |
| 17:03.01 | RST38h | why is it surprising? |
| 17:03.20 | xim_ | doesnt changing system event sound pointers seem like a very basic OS function that should be supported by included menus? |
| 17:03.23 | alterego | This is quite tiring. |
| 17:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | smackpotat: N900 -3G-> bouncer -internet-> freenode-server_A -> freenode-server_B -DSL-> this_client |
| 17:04.09 | xim_ | i mean i know its linux and developers like to keep it complicated... ;p |
| 17:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think <500ms timed by my ears is good enough |
| 17:04.19 | RST38h | An inbound packet has to deal with WiFi power saving (if going over wifi) *and* N900 being put to sleep most of the time when it is idle |
| 17:04.35 | RST38h | An outbound packet is guaranteed to be send from a device that is active |
| 17:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well understood, except that's 3G, not WLAN |
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| 17:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | so I wonder if even the modem has some sleeping mode creating minute lags, when inbound data pending |
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| 17:07.23 | RST38h | most likely |
| 17:07.43 | RST38h | + consider your cell phone provider's infrastructure that may be biased toward outgoing packets |
| 17:08.00 | alterego | I can't get XSendEvent to work :( |
| 17:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, /msg DocScrutinizer51 gave me 13s lag on first time and ~0 on 2nd immediately following |
| 17:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: strange nevertheless |
| 17:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, it should nicely serve my needs regarding power savings on 3G |
| 17:09.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i'm on 3g, but i'm not having problems |
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| 17:09.49 | kerio | (xchat connecting to a bouncer) |
| 17:10.22 | smackpotat | id say so too i was playing with a ti develpment kit for a cc430 and u could put the modem to sleep the radio could be waked on radio but these are fast actions taking only a few enstuctioons |
| 17:10.45 | smackpotat | instructions |
| 17:11.22 | xim_ | is it normal for n900 to be slow and laggy all the time? glitching poeples voices in phone calls etc? |
| 17:11.31 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 17:11.38 | smackpotat | 10,s of cycles |
| 17:11.40 | xim_ | low fps switching desktops |
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| 17:12.26 | tuliobaars | Hey |
| 17:12.36 | SpeedEvil | xim_: cell radio is _enormously_ more complex. |
| 17:12.44 | tuliobaars | xim_, everything OK with your wav ? |
| 17:12.55 | SpeedEvil | xim_: It's got its own processor with 16M of RAM, and 2M of ROM |
| 17:12.59 | tuliobaars | Hello SpeedEvil |
| 17:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | lo SpeedEvil |
| 17:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | wooohooo 12k sendQ |
| 17:14.23 | tuliobaars | xim_: Caution with your wavs, you could fu** the files, making them too large or something wrong |
| 17:14.29 | tuliobaars | make a backup |
| 17:14.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | gg |
| 17:14.36 | SpeedEvil | hi |
| 17:14.51 | tuliobaars | my device is full of strange icons that i had change |
| 17:15.12 | smackpotat | speed evil do you know something on makefiles |
| 17:15.16 | xim_ | tuliobaars, no, i gave up, its frustrating that there is no built in support for something as simple as changing sound pointers, half the sound files are aac, half are wavs, it would be an ugly hack having to reformat my own files arbitrarily and then overwrite system files to do it, its a dirty hack for some basic OS function, very frustrating |
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| 17:15.35 | tuliobaars | SpeedEvil, how can I compile a .sh script without using Scratchbox |
| 17:15.42 | xim_ | goes with the general feelin i have sortof come to feel like my n900 has inherited all the unstable glitchiness and lack of stable apps as all other linux on desktops etc |
| 17:15.44 | SpeedEvil | You don't compile sh scripts |
| 17:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | damn, it doesn't even help to send something, the lines tween "your wav ?" and gg still missing |
| 17:15.54 | tuliobaars | i know |
| 17:16.13 | D-Iivil | Evening folks. |
| 17:16.16 | SpeedEvil | smackpotat: I know very little of makefiles |
| 17:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | as well as everything after that |
| 17:16.17 | tuliobaars | but i wanna make it executable in maemo devices |
| 17:16.26 | tuliobaars | mkswap, mkdos |
| 17:16.30 | tuliobaars | dd |
| 17:16.36 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: shell scripts are executable on maemo devices |
| 17:16.38 | nidO | then you just chmod +x it and execute it |
| 17:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | sendQ 26k |
| 17:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 17:16.46 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars, isn't that executable already? |
| 17:16.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf?? |
| 17:17.08 | tuliobaars | not in Maemo |
| 17:17.14 | nidO | yes in maemo |
| 17:17.21 | SpeedEvil | you're not beginning it #!/bin/bash ar eyou? |
| 17:17.24 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars, just chmod it. |
| 17:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Because that won't usually work |
| 17:17.39 | SpeedEvil | also - you can't execute anything on MyDocs - as it's FAT |
| 17:17.45 | smackpotat | a module i want to play with has a makefile for an arm cross compiler how to i change it for the diablo sdk |
| 17:17.48 | tuliobaars | but It only works on ubuntu, yet |
| 17:17.53 | smackpotat | or do i |
| 17:18.01 | tuliobaars | how? |
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| 17:18.10 | tuliobaars | its a Kernel Fixer |
| 17:18.18 | tuliobaars | called MaemoTurbo |
| 17:18.22 | xim_ | SpeedEvil, i dont suppose you have any idea why my phone is so laggy then? |
| 17:18.31 | SpeedEvil | xim_: Powertop, top, ps, ... |
| 17:18.40 | SpeedEvil | the normal 'why is my foo so slow' tools |
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| 17:18.45 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars, place the script somewhere else than MyDocs and you can execute it after chmoding it correctly. |
| 17:18.53 | SpeedEvil | mine isn't laggy and I have maybe 60 things installed |
| 17:19.06 | tuliobaars | yes, this way i know |
| 17:19.09 | SpeedEvil | Powertop will tell you - largely - what's using lots of CPU |
| 17:19.14 | xim_ | i use top like crazy, nothing eats my cycles in general, its just naturally laggy fps and sounds |
| 17:19.19 | kerio | i'd say "basic OS function" would be multitasking, copy and paste, networking |
| 17:19.27 | tuliobaars | i wanna distribute and make like a OneClick |
| 17:20.05 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars, you can put it inside deb and do all chmoding etc automaticly. |
| 17:20.14 | xim_ | kerio, seriously, its not an apple 2, i get where you are coming from, but guis have come a long way since 1982 |
| 17:20.47 | kerio | xim_: so the UI is crappy |
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| 17:20.49 | tuliobaars | But how can i do it? |
| 17:20.52 | kerio | not the OS |
| 17:20.59 | tuliobaars | D-livil! |
| 17:20.59 | kerio | it's a *huge* difference |
| 17:21.20 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars, google for debian packaging. |
| 17:21.41 | tuliobaars | sure |
| 17:21.52 | tuliobaars | thanks for help |
| 17:22.05 | RST38h | xim: decrease swappiness. |
| 17:22.14 | xim_ | kerio, ill buy that, but still its a symptom of a larger issue of linux (and the dev community) being disorganized and relying on 3rd party software they have no quality control over to perform essential tasks, then the 3rd party apps never work or do what they are supposed to do, its the same on ubuntu as slack as maemo |
| 17:22.24 | RST38h | UI is ok. It is lagging because of some outdated kernel settings. |
| 17:22.24 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars, no problem. I'd help but it's too slow to type coz I'm chatting with N900 atm. |
| 17:22.40 | tuliobaars | I'm on N810 |
| 17:22.41 | RST38h | xim: Ok. Then buy an iPhone and stop whining. |
| 17:22.56 | tuliobaars | iPhone is piece of BS |
| 17:23.15 | kerio | xim_: with disorganization also comes variety |
| 17:23.20 | RST38h | Because FOR ME, the 3rd party apps that I have installed work exactly how they are supposed to work |
| 17:23.33 | xim_ | i used to be the biggest anti-microsoft linux-up-talker there was, and after using linux as my primary os for years, its def not as stable or perfect as people act, mainly because of this 3rd party app thing |
| 17:23.35 | DrGrov | xim_: go get yourself a fucking iPhone and stop complaining you little greedy bastard |
| 17:23.48 | RST38h | xim: With an iPhone you will not have any larger linux issues, such as community |
| 17:24.00 | tuliobaars | iPhone is for Noobs |
| 17:24.02 | kerio | it's not perfect |
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| 17:24.14 | kerio | but it's way better than the alternative |
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| 17:24.23 | RST38h | xim: And you will not need any 3rd party apps because iPhone does everything you will ever want from a phone |
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| 17:24.30 | tuliobaars | "Ohh, but it have a Xterm Emulator!" |
| 17:24.32 | RST38h | xim: And it is shiny. |
| 17:26.02 | xim_ | RST38h, really? fmms doesnt work, half the games crash when you try to open them, the offline GPS map downloaders are non existant and do nothing, the IR remote programs dont work at all, the os lags so much even the system sounds glitch when i get a text message, the widgets like recaller crash spontaneously |
| 17:26.18 | nidO | uh? |
| 17:26.21 | kerio | xim_: qtirreco works great here |
| 17:26.22 | D-Iivil | RST38h, it even tells you how to keep the phone correctly in hand. Or should I say it forces you to handle it "right" :P |
| 17:26.26 | DrGrov | xim_: so stop fucking complaining and get the iPhone and enjoy. Perhaps that is better? |
| 17:26.26 | xim_ | so my option is apple, or no quality control |
| 17:26.27 | kerio | and the ui is snappy |
| 17:26.40 | tuliobaars | iPhone 4 x N900 |
| 17:26.41 | RST38h | xim: As I said, get yourself an iPhone: it has MMS |
| 17:26.48 | kerio | xim_: or winmo! :P |
| 17:26.52 | tuliobaars | iPod Touch x N810 |
| 17:26.53 | RST38h | xim: As for myself, I never had fMMS installed |
| 17:26.58 | nidO | fmms works fine for me, i havent seen a single game that crashes, qtirreco works perfectly, my os doesnt lag atall, and i've been using recaller for 4 months recording every call i make/receive and its never glitched once |
| 17:27.02 | nidO | whats that say about you? |
| 17:27.02 | RST38h | xim: And all the games I have installed work |
| 17:27.05 | tuliobaars | I prefer the N900 and the N810 |
| 17:27.09 | tuliobaars | and you guys? |
| 17:27.17 | kerio | :O there's a program to record calls? |
| 17:27.20 | xim_ | it says maybe i have a defective device |
| 17:27.24 | DrGrov | nidO: i perfectly agree with your statement. |
| 17:27.24 | xim_ | recaller |
| 17:27.28 | nidO | kerio yeh, recaller |
| 17:27.30 | xim_ | it works awsome when it doesnt crash your desktop |
| 17:27.32 | kerio | cool |
| 17:27.43 | DrGrov | nidO: nothing has had any issues what so ever. sure, a few reinstalling issues after PR 1.2 but that is minor |
| 17:27.49 | RST38h | xim: I can share images directly, using email or any of the image sharing services |
| 17:27.51 | D-Iivil | I had few crashes here and there with recaller. |
| 17:27.54 | xim_ | can even record non call mic input, with amazing clarity |
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| 17:27.57 | RST38h | xim: Why would I even need MMS? |
| 17:28.28 | kerio | xim_: fyi, the iphone doesn't do call recording |
| 17:28.32 | kerio | i think |
| 17:28.34 | D-Iivil | thinks xim_ is on wrong channell.... |
| 17:28.38 | xim_ | lol i hate the i phone |
| 17:28.55 | xim_ | steve jobs is a huge tool |
| 17:28.55 | tuliobaars | when does the PR 1.3 going to release? |
| 17:28.57 | xim_ | im a computer engineer |
| 17:29.01 | kerio | nah, it's a nice phone |
| 17:29.02 | xim_ | i just want some quality control |
| 17:29.03 | BugBlue | ~pr1.3 |
| 17:29.04 | infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 17:29.05 | DrGrov | xim_: so stop complaining already, wrong channel |
| 17:29.07 | kerio | for end users |
| 17:29.10 | D-Iivil | xim_, huge tool??? |
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| 17:29.32 | tuliobaars | humm, that sounds lit bit gay |
| 17:29.39 | tuliobaars | "Huge Tool" |
| 17:29.40 | nidO | theres plenty of quality control. if you want more, register a garage account, join the testing squad, and put some time in testing applications before they hit extras |
| 17:30.00 | nidO | it seems you have countless problems with these applications that no-one else does, so youll be an ace source of debugging info. |
| 17:30.00 | xim_ | yeah |
| 17:30.20 | kerio | and regarding the signal drop... the n900 has a consistant 12dBm drop when i hold it with the right hand |
| 17:30.25 | xim_ | it must be my device if yall are saying all those apps i mentioned work for you |
| 17:30.31 | tuliobaars | Huge tool sounds gay... |
| 17:30.32 | nidO | that or you'll be told to apply some computer engineer 101 skillz and figure out whether it's just you thats buggered your device first. |
| 17:30.38 | tuliobaars | stop saying that... |
| 17:30.44 | D-Iivil | kerio, how can you monitor the cell level? |
| 17:30.52 | kerio | netmon |
| 17:31.03 | kerio | although it crashes constantly under 2g for me |
| 17:31.32 | D-Iivil | kerio, have to try it out :P |
| 17:31.36 | wolf^ | tuliobaars, please stop flashing us with your projections |
| 17:32.02 | kerio | tuliobaars: HUGE TOOOOOOOOL |
| 17:32.29 | RST38h | ...in a turtleneck |
| 17:32.50 | kerio | hmm, is there a way to use key repetition instead of using the symbol key? |
| 17:32.56 | tuliobaars | projections? What are you trying to say? |
| 17:33.23 | xim_ | maybe i should wipe my device and start it over from scratch |
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| 17:33.45 | tuliobaars | How much a used N900????? |
| 17:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 17:33.50 | infobot | Since Tue Jul 13 14:36:01 2010, there have been 4 modifications, 14 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 15 commands. I have been awake for 2h 57m 49s this session, and currently reference 117133 factoids. I'm using about 16656 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 246.85/22.82 child 0.01/0.03 |
| 17:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-)) |
| 17:34.06 | RST38h | don't wipe, sell |
| 17:34.07 | nidO | 0 morons? |
| 17:34.11 | RST38h | get an iphone 3gs |
| 17:34.12 | derf | That moron count is suspiciously low. |
| 17:34.14 | nidO | theres gotta be at least 50 in this channel |
| 17:34.22 | tuliobaars | i wanna buy one |
| 17:34.26 | RST38h | 'cause they say 4g is kinda broken |
| 17:34.37 | kerio | xim_: meh |
| 17:34.46 | tuliobaars | N900! How much? Used one! |
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| 17:34.51 | tuliobaars | I wanna buy! |
| 17:34.59 | kerio | tuliobaars: ebay.com |
| 17:35.01 | tuliobaars | some one wanna sell yours? |
| 17:35.11 | kerio | i bought mine for 350⬠|
| 17:35.14 | tuliobaars | i know ebay.com |
| 17:35.18 | tuliobaars | oh |
| 17:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: waitwaitwhat? netmon? |
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| 17:35.32 | tuliobaars | here is around 1000 dollars |
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| 17:36.02 | nidO | where the hell is "here", the moon? |
| 17:36.05 | xim_ | i really dont want an iphone, i want an open platform heavy development phone with awsome hardware like the n900, i just have been very dissapointed with how the one I have performs up to this point, maybe i installed a bad APPle when i first got it that fubared everything |
| 17:36.19 | *** part/#maemo tuliobaars (~tuliobaar@189.101.223.120) |
| 17:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: what's netmon? where from is that 12dBm figure? |
| 17:36.37 | xim_ | i assumed everyone else had the same issues as me and was just living with it because "yay its linux" |
| 17:36.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: a program for n900? |
| 17:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: don't fool me, LINK!! |
| 17:37.14 | xim_ | so it sounds like I need to wipe |
| 17:37.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: apt-get install netmon |
| 17:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 17:37.25 | kerio | not sure what repo, don't care |
| 17:37.26 | nidO | http://maemo.org/packages/view/netmon/ |
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| 17:37.31 | nidO | devel |
| 17:37.33 | kerio | i assume you have everything |
| 17:37.41 | kerio | xim_: hmm |
| 17:37.47 | kerio | can't hurt |
| 17:37.57 | Venemo | re |
| 17:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAA |
| 17:38.03 | Venemo | I've got disconnected |
| 17:38.12 | Venemo | my network provider is a pile of garbage. |
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| 17:38.16 | D-Iivil | a flash a day keeps the phone in shape :P |
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| 17:38.18 | kerio | i started my "experience" by flashing everything - used phone |
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| 17:38.37 | tuliobaars | hey, lost connection |
| 17:38.54 | tuliobaars | so, do someone want to sell your N900??? |
| 17:38.56 | nidO | tbh iv had my device since february, and i've only had to reflash it once, and that was intentional to switch from uk firmware to global |
| 17:39.12 | tuliobaars | i reflash it every week |
| 17:39.19 | kerio | tuliobaars: they wouldn't hang around #maemo if they wanted to get rid of their n900 |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( curse MohammadAG and his custom kernel spoiling any apt-get with "have unmet deps" |
| 17:39.49 | kerio | pwnd |
| 17:39.58 | tuliobaars | but, i don't know, someone could have two and wanna sell one |
| 17:39.58 | kerio | what's wrong with kernel-power? |
| 17:40.03 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars: http://cgi.ebay.com/NOKIA-N900-MOBILE-PHONE-N-900-32GB-SMARTPHONE-N-900-/270607129131?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item3f01711a2b |
| 17:40.23 | kerio | tuliobaars: well, if they have two they probably have a reason |
| 17:40.36 | kerio | (that is probably "being crazy") |
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| 17:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: doesn't know about hostmode |
| 17:40.54 | tuliobaars | a reason could be sell it? |
| 17:40.57 | Myrtti | or they personally own one and one is for work purposes |
| 17:41.09 | kerio | ooh |
| 17:41.11 | Myrtti | tuliobaars: would think they would've sold it by now |
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| 17:41.24 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: does it work? |
| 17:41.26 | tuliobaars | just forget it |
| 17:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | nope :-PÃ |
| 17:41.45 | Myrtti | electronics is a bad investment, price goes down the moment you walk from the shop |
| 17:41.46 | tuliobaars | why.... |
| 17:42.08 | RST38h | Myrtti: That is a yet undiscovered market |
| 17:42.17 | RST38h | Myrtti: Electronics that attans value with time |
| 17:42.18 | RST38h | attains |
| 17:42.28 | tuliobaars | no, here, the N810 still is being selled at around 600 dollar |
| 17:42.38 | nidO | again, where is "here"? |
| 17:42.39 | tuliobaars | and a N900 for 1000 |
| 17:42.43 | tuliobaars | Brasil |
| 17:42.44 | Myrtti | tuliobaars: and what was the original price for it? |
| 17:42.47 | D-Iivil | lol: " I love this phone but I just don't have the time anymore to use all of the functions it provides." |
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| 17:43.43 | xim_ | myrtti, exactly the same with cars, minute you drive them off the lot the value drops by 10gs |
| 17:43.44 | tuliobaars | N810: Starting at 1000 to 5000 reais |
| 17:43.55 | Myrtti | tuliobaars: see, so the price has gone down |
| 17:43.56 | tuliobaars | N900: 1200 to 2000 reais |
| 17:44.11 | Khertan_n900 | hi again |
| 17:44.16 | tuliobaars | hi |
| 17:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | wow, netmon :-) |
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| 17:44.49 | D-Iivil | tuliobaars: 1200 reais seems to be about same what they sell the N900 here in Finland also. |
| 17:44.51 | tuliobaars | ihere eletronics are expensive |
| 17:44.53 | Myrtti | I bought my N800 for £70 a year ago. |
| 17:45.01 | Myrtti | used electronics is like that |
| 17:45.04 | tuliobaars | yeah, thats the right price |
| 17:45.12 | tuliobaars | but look at N810! |
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| 17:45.15 | tuliobaars | 5000 |
| 17:45.17 | Khertan_n900 | maybe someone have an idea on how i can achieve a tab switching like in fennec in qt between different window ? |
| 17:45.20 | xim_ | i got mine for free from a guy who works for nokia |
| 17:45.28 | xim_ | thats the right price |
| 17:45.37 | tuliobaars | can you gimme one too? |
| 17:45.40 | D-Iivil | xim_: and still you're whining? |
| 17:45.42 | xim_ | i wish |
| 17:46.05 | D-Iivil | xim_: I would understand the whine if you'd paid the price... |
| 17:46.06 | evilbit | anyone using diablo with gpe_calendar and syncevolution? |
| 17:46.12 | xim_ | lol no you didnt |
| 17:46.17 | tuliobaars | Diablo is with me |
| 17:46.17 | xim_ | you just like shouting |
| 17:46.27 | tuliobaars | Use zsync |
| 17:46.33 | Khertan_n900 | hum ... noone know :( |
| 17:46.43 | tuliobaars | sync GPEcalendar with outlook and Gcallendar |
| 17:47.08 | tuliobaars | I still use diablo running FreMantle apps. Any problem? |
| 17:47.11 | D-Iivil | xim_: shouting? Me? |
| 17:47.20 | tuliobaars | Hardware modified N810 |
| 17:47.41 | evilbit | I don't have outlook... |
| 17:47.55 | tuliobaars | but Gcalendar or Gmail? |
| 17:48.00 | tuliobaars | i guess |
| 17:48.06 | tuliobaars | Thunderbird |
| 17:48.11 | tuliobaars | give the shot |
| 17:48.20 | evilbit | I'm running a funambol server and the desktop is linux + evolution |
| 17:48.34 | tuliobaars | Thunderbird engine |
| 17:48.45 | tuliobaars | open Evo |
| 17:49.00 | tuliobaars | look for sync |
| 17:49.05 | tuliobaars | and sync! |
| 17:49.07 | xim_ | D-Iivil, you wouldnt "whine" if you had a device hailed as the nail in the iphones coffin, which then was glitchy and laggy and half the apps didn't work? with performance issues that no one can explain? that is so unreasonable? |
| 17:49.14 | tuliobaars | Simple as life |
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| 17:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: nidO: thanks |
| 17:49.29 | xim_ | that you would curse at the person |
| 17:49.29 | tuliobaars | xim_ you can't just stop whining? |
| 17:49.30 | evilbit | tuliobaars: well, I'm really looking to sync without being bound to the desktop |
| 17:49.42 | tuliobaars | oooh |
| 17:49.46 | D-Iivil | xim_: well.. if I had it for free... |
| 17:49.53 | xim_ | thats retarded |
| 17:49.54 | tuliobaars | do you use internal mail? |
| 17:49.57 | xim_ | are you retarded? |
| 17:50.00 | D-Iivil | xim_: I wouldn't be that pissed. |
| 17:50.02 | RST38h | xim: 1) Nokia never hailed it as a nail in iphone's coffin |
| 17:50.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: does 2g work for you? |
| 17:50.10 | tuliobaars | Whos retarded? |
| 17:50.16 | RST38h | xim: (stupid bloggers did, but you weren't listening to them, were you?) |
| 17:50.32 | D-Iivil | xim_: and now you start to throw names in the air? Just wondering who's the retarded one here... |
| 17:50.33 | tuliobaars | WHO IS RETARDED? |
| 17:50.35 | RST38h | xim: 2) As I said before, the lagginess is easy to fix with a single line in XTerm |
| 17:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | no 2G for now, SIM expired -> status: SIM rejected |
| 17:50.47 | RST38h | tuliobaars: You are. Wanna talk about it? =B)~ |
| 17:50.51 | Myrtti | GUYS. CHEESECAKE. |
| 17:50.55 | Myrtti | CHILL OUT. |
| 17:50.59 | xim_ | someone who says a promotional device shouldn't work is retarded |
| 17:51.17 | RST38h | Myrtti: Hey, I have just come back to this window and found my prey! |
| 17:51.19 | tuliobaars | RST38h: Your luck i woke up happy today, or... |
| 17:51.25 | D-Iivil | xim_: where did I make a statement like that? Could you be so kind and point me that :) |
| 17:51.27 | RST38h | or? |
| 17:51.36 | tuliobaars | I dont said that! |
| 17:51.48 | xim_ | not you tuliobaars youve been helpful |
| 17:51.54 | xim_ | d-Iivil is just being obnoxious |
| 17:51.55 | tuliobaars | oh thanks |
| 17:52.04 | Myrtti | for crying out loud. it's just a bloody piece of plastic and some solder |
| 17:52.09 | Venemo | tuliobaars: "dont said" -> "didn't say" => learn English! |
| 17:52.09 | xim_ | and no im not gonna quote what you said 60 seconds ago |
| 17:52.44 | tuliobaars | RST38h: The retarded here is you. Stop doind this. Talk like a man, not like a kid, please |
| 17:52.47 | xim_ | I already said i probably just need to flash the device, and you keep attacking me for being upset my device doesnt work |
| 17:53.00 | tuliobaars | Jealous... |
| 17:53.02 | Myrtti | finger pointing ⥠|
| 17:53.15 | D-Iivil | xim_: all I said was I wouldn't be so damn pissed of if I had something for free and it didn't work flawlessly. I would just put it away and that's that. |
| 17:53.39 | D-Iivil | xim_: you were the one that immediately started taking out cards like "retarded" ;) |
| 17:53.39 | xim_ | but that was just an excuse to keep attacking me in reality, because you were already flaming me before i said i got it free |
| 17:53.39 | tuliobaars | Ohoh, things are getting warm here, isn't? |
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| 17:53.44 | RST38h | tuliobaars: meh! |
| 17:53.50 | tuliobaars | meh! |
| 17:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | please, could you chill!? |
| 17:53.52 | xim_ | and not immediatly, after i found you couldnt be reasoned with |
| 17:53.56 | Khertan_n900 | bye |
| 17:54.08 | xim_ | yeah im done |
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| 17:54.13 | tuliobaars | Meh! Whats that? |
| 17:54.16 | alterego | Anyone here got a little time and some Xlib knowledge? Specifically with XSendEvent for sending key press/release events? |
| 17:54.29 | tuliobaars | xim_: tuliobaars@gmail.com |
| 17:54.32 | RST38h | tuliobaars: That is my reaction to certain people |
| 17:54.41 | RST38h | alterego: yes, what? |
| 17:54.46 | tuliobaars | No problem |
| 17:54.57 | tuliobaars | Relax and enjoy the view |
| 17:55.13 | xim_ | anyway im gonna go reflash, thanks for the help (you know who you are) |
| 17:55.15 | xim_ | later all |
| 17:55.29 | D-Iivil | xim_: later, don't be away too long :) |
| 17:55.32 | alterego | RST38h: http://pastie.org/1042809 - I'm trying to programatically open the application menu ... |
| 17:55.37 | tuliobaars | hey |
| 17:55.43 | tuliobaars | contact me xim_ |
| 17:55.47 | RST38h | alterego: a moment |
| 17:55.51 | tuliobaars | if you have problems |
| 17:56.02 | xim_ | sure thing, got your email ;) thanks |
| 17:56.09 | RST38h | alterego: funny, I have done that :) |
| 17:56.09 | xim_ | pz out! |
| 17:56.18 | RST38h | alterego: Maemo5 has not got F4 though |
| 17:56.19 | alterego | RST38h: and it worked for you? |
| 17:56.26 | RST38h | no, I did it differently |
| 17:56.38 | alterego | RST38h: I know, but it's in the Qt source, so I presume that function still works .. |
| 17:56.51 | alterego | I just don't know _my_ code works because I've got no real way of debugging it. |
| 17:56.59 | alterego | RST38h: do you have an example? |
| 17:56.59 | RST38h | For Tentacled's sake, people, SOTP USING XTest |
| 17:57.16 | RST38h | XTest has not been designed for your little apps =) |
| 17:57.17 | D-Iivil | RST38h: XTest? |
| 17:57.23 | kerio | f4? |
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| 17:57.26 | tuliobaars | Xtest? |
| 17:57.28 | kerio | ooh, function keys |
| 17:57.31 | tuliobaars | F4? |
| 17:57.32 | kerio | i miss function keys ._. |
| 17:57.33 | alterego | RST38h: this better? |
| 17:57.38 | alterego | RST38h: http://pastie.org/1042814 |
| 17:57.43 | RST38h | alterego: It is your own app, right? And you are opening a menu in it? |
| 17:57.55 | alterego | RST38h: that's the aim yes ;) |
| 17:57.57 | RST38h | alterego: Yea, XSendEvent is the one |
| 17:58.06 | RST38h | Lemme locate my code |
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| 17:58.11 | alterego | RST38h: thanks :) |
| 17:58.17 | kerio | what's xtest and what's wrong with it? |
| 17:58.22 | tuliobaars | RST38h, wheres the F4 function key? |
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| 17:58.57 | alterego | tuliobaars: there is no F4 key on the N00, |
| 17:59.00 | alterego | ~N900 .. |
| 17:59.06 | RST38h | alterego: I do it much easier |
| 17:59.09 | alterego | tuliobaars: there is on the N8x0 and 770 though |
| 17:59.14 | alterego | RST38h: good! HOW?! :D |
| 17:59.22 | RST38h | alterego: I directly call the event handler, as it is in the same appp |
| 17:59.33 | RST38h | alterego: bypassing X completely |
| 17:59.41 | alterego | Uhuh |
| 17:59.50 | alterego | RST38h: gtk? |
| 17:59.51 | tuliobaars | but in N8x0, just witn ext. keyboard, i guess alterego |
| 17:59.54 | RST38h | alterego: yea |
| 17:59.59 | RST38h | alterego: But yours should work |
| 18:00.09 | RST38h | alterego: Except that you should probably send KeyClick |
| 18:00.10 | alterego | tuliobaars: no, it's the menu button on the N8x0, and 770 |
| 18:00.16 | tuliobaars | ohh |
| 18:00.30 | tuliobaars | thx |
| 18:00.34 | RST38h | alterego: The real key goes like this: KeyDown->KeyClick->KeyClick->...->KeyUp |
| 18:00.47 | alterego | m'kay |
| 18:01.00 | tuliobaars | and the Chr? Works for something useful? |
| 18:01.04 | RST38h | alterego: try KeyClick first, if it does not work, send all three in sequence |
| 18:01.11 | RST38h | alterego: And I doubt F4 still works |
| 18:01.36 | alterego | RST38h: Do you happen to have scratchbox running at the moment? ;) |
| 18:01.58 | RST38h | alterego: Nope. WinXP. |
| 18:02.02 | alterego | Urgh |
| 18:02.07 | RST38h | alterego: And I am an SB2 person anyway |
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| 18:02.19 | alterego | Oh, m'kay |
| 18:02.21 | tuliobaars | SP2 |
| 18:02.27 | alterego | Let me check the source, hang on. |
| 18:02.40 | alterego | RST38h: I'm pretty sure F4 does still work. |
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| 18:02.51 | RST38h | alterego: how have you checked? |
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| 18:02.54 | RST38h | BT keyboard? |
| 18:02.57 | tuliobaars | so, havve to go |
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| 18:03.02 | tuliobaars | BRB |
| 18:03.06 | tuliobaars | bb |
| 18:03.08 | alterego | RST38h: no, just the source, I don't have sbox to check. |
| 18:03.16 | alterego | Is anyone here running scratchbox right now? :) |
| 18:03.21 | tuliobaars | me |
| 18:03.33 | alterego | tuliobaars: have you got the emulator running with a maemo5 desktop? |
| 18:03.59 | tuliobaars | Oh, now, but Qemu should help? |
| 18:04.07 | alterego | No ... |
| 18:04.13 | tuliobaars | sorry |
| 18:04.24 | D-Iivil | alterego: I am. |
| 18:04.27 | tuliobaars | my sbox is for diablo sdk only |
| 18:04.31 | tuliobaars | sorry |
| 18:04.36 | tuliobaars | so, bb |
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| 18:05.31 | alterego | Ah, m'kay |
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| 18:05.58 | Venemo | alterego: why isn't MADDE good enough for you? |
| 18:06.00 | D-Iivil | alterego: why do you ask? |
| 18:06.16 | alterego | Because I need to see if F4 works in the emulator :P |
| 18:06.27 | alterego | Because I don't have a device with an F4 key :) |
| 18:06.41 | Venemo | alterego: why do you need F4 anyway? |
| 18:06.52 | alterego | Because F4 "should" trigger the application menu. |
| 18:06.53 | Venemo | alterego: I thought you want to open an app menu progmatically |
| 18:06.59 | Venemo | alterego: aaah... |
| 18:07.01 | Venemo | okay. |
| 18:07.06 | alterego | :) |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: switching to GSM with netmon open works like a charm |
| 18:08.24 | alterego | RST38h: http://qt.gitorious.net/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.6-fremantle-pr1.2/src/gui/kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp |
| 18:08.31 | alterego | Line 3381 -> 3388 |
| 18:09.21 | D-Iivil | wtf. Why isn't my xephyr opening? What went broken with scrathbox after updating Ubuntu? |
| 18:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: switching back to DUAL works as well |
| 18:09.29 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:09.46 | D-Iivil | I get this in terminal when trying to launch xephyr: hildon-desktop[28590]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: :2 |
| 18:09.57 | D-Iivil | and after that it segfaults :-/ |
| 18:10.15 | D-Iivil | scratchbox terminal is working just fine. |
| 18:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | mpff, no xchat on new device yet |
| 18:10.51 | RST38h | ahha |
| 18:10.58 | alterego | D-Iivil: you need to "export DISPLAY=:2" |
| 18:11.02 | alterego | in scratchbox |
| 18:11.06 | RST38h | is that thing defined though? |
| 18:11.11 | alterego | RST38h: yes |
| 18:11.28 | D-Iivil | alterego: I'm using the start_xephyr.sh to launch it. |
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| 18:11.38 | alterego | Oh, |
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| 18:13.22 | RST38h | alterego: could you post XSend* thing again? |
| 18:13.28 | RST38h | hello konttori |
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| 18:13.46 | konttori | RST38h: hi |
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| 18:14.13 | D-Iivil | well.. didn't need the graphical emulator anyways :-/ |
| 18:16.37 | alterego | RST38h: http://pastie.org/1042846 |
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| 18:18.36 | alterego | bbiab |
| 18:19.58 | jacekowski | D-Iivil: that error means that app can't connect to xserver |
| 18:20.04 | jacekowski | D-Iivil: so it's either not running |
| 18:20.11 | jacekowski | D-Iivil: or not running on display :2 |
| 18:20.22 | jacekowski | D-Iivil: or it's not configured to accept connections from that client |
| 18:20.34 | jacekowski | or all of the above |
| 18:21.01 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: okay... well... how to debug or even get it up and running again? It worked fine before upgrading Ubuntu from 9 to 10. |
| 18:21.31 | RST38h | alterego: root must be the root window of screen |
| 18:25.37 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: hmm... synaptis is offering an upgrade for xserver. Will try to install it and see if it works then :) |
| 18:26.03 | D-Iivil | synaptic. |
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| 18:28.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: then it's probably related to my weird situation |
| 18:28.28 | kerio | h3g italy uses tim (the main provider) as a fallback when 3g is not available |
| 18:28.47 | kerio | i'm not sure if it's considered roaming |
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| 18:32.15 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: when trying to run the Xephyr it gives me: Unrecognized option: -kb |
| 18:32.40 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: I'm trying to run it with this command: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & |
| 18:34.18 | D-Iivil | Okay... I should learn to read the wiki :D |
| 18:34.28 | D-Iivil | "Ubuntu 10.04 users using the package in the repositories will have to run the same command without the -host-cursor and -kb, however the terminal window will have to stay open." |
| 18:34.31 | D-Iivil | Works now :-P |
| 18:35.34 | D-Iivil | But cannot see my cursor in Xephyr window... :D |
| 18:37.20 | D-Iivil | Nevermind. Just added the -host-cursor back to the launching command and it's working now. |
| 18:37.30 | D-Iivil | So alterego, what did you want me to test? |
| 18:38.16 | alterego | Load up a program that has an app menu, and press F4 on your keyboard and tell me if it opens the menu |
| 18:39.12 | D-Iivil | alterego: by app menu you mean? |
| 18:40.15 | D-Iivil | alterego: in conversations it indeed opens up a menu. |
| 18:40.28 | D-Iivil | alterego: but in browser it does not. |
| 18:41.57 | kerio | microB is weird |
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| 18:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | *modem* is weird. Still(!) no decent USSD&servicecodes |
| 18:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh, there's a ticket for it |
| 18:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is no phone, that's evident |
| 18:45.01 | kerio | ussd? |
| 18:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | just a miracle how it got GSM cert |
| 18:45.13 | kerio | service codes? |
| 18:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | *#61# |
| 18:45.43 | kerio | what does that do? |
| 18:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.gsmcodes-online.de/Rufumleitungen/rufumleitungen.html |
| 18:50.52 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: would it be of any use to be able to modify CMTS firmware? |
| 18:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | *#61# is a query if cal redirect on no accept is enabled |
| 18:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: probably |
| 18:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php |
| 18:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM-Code |
| 18:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data |
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| 18:52.32 | DrGrov | How can I easily do a call forwarding from my N900 to my fiancees N97 when I am on the move? |
| 18:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: that's the point - you can't |
| 18:53.31 | DrGrov | Seriously, WTF? |
| 18:53.42 | DrGrov | How the fuck does that not work? This is so crappy fucked up news |
| 18:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | because modem firmware/cellmo driver was built in a way where all the STANDARD codes do not work like they do on *every* other cellphone |
| 18:54.40 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Now Nokia has really fucked up things! |
| 18:54.42 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: there is a call forward thing in phone console |
| 18:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as crippled as can get |
| 18:55.08 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: It does work I hope without any problems? |
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| 18:56.00 | DrGrov | Tomorrow I do not care who answers at Nokia Care or where ever else but I do get them to know that I am angry as hell. |
| 18:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, since PR1.2 USSD (*1xx#) seems to work |
| 18:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | but not the standard service codes |
| 18:56.39 | jacekowski | well, i think i know how to wipe certificate block and program it again |
| 18:56.53 | DrGrov | jacekowski: you do? that is great :) |
| 18:57.03 | jacekowski | well, i'm sure about wipe |
| 18:57.11 | jacekowski | i'm not sure about programming it again |
| 18:57.12 | DrGrov | jacekowski: good, wiping is good to know :) |
| 18:57.24 | jacekowski | because it looks like it may still need to be signed |
| 18:57.27 | DrGrov | nah, always destroy first and then think what is happening :D |
| 18:58.00 | DrGrov | who actually was so dumb at Nokia to even think about such an idiot idea to even not get call forwarding to work properly? |
| 18:58.18 | kerio | DrGrov: the n900 is an internet tablet with a 3g data modem |
| 18:58.24 | kerio | calling with it is a side effect |
| 18:58.25 | Mousey | its a phone |
| 18:58.27 | jacekowski | and then even if we would change certificates to known value |
| 18:58.30 | jacekowski | Mousey: tablet |
| 18:58.33 | Mousey | phone! |
| 18:58.36 | jacekowski | tablet |
| 18:58.39 | Mousey | the n810 was a tablet =P |
| 18:58.45 | Mousey | *sniff* |
| 18:58.48 | Mousey | i miss that thing |
| 18:58.54 | jacekowski | iPad is a phone? |
| 18:58.56 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 |
| 18:58.58 | ljrn900 | N900 is an upgraded N810 |
| 18:59.00 | kerio | n900 > n810 |
| 18:59.06 | Mousey | you mean downgraded =( |
| 18:59.09 | DrGrov | kerio: it is a fucking phone! |
| 18:59.19 | jacekowski | it's a fucking tablet |
| 18:59.20 | kerio | jacekowski: no calls |
| 18:59.27 | jacekowski | even nokia sells it as a tablet |
| 18:59.27 | microlith | everything with a 3G modem is a phone, obviously |
| 18:59.28 | ljrn900 | the phone app is a phone |
| 18:59.34 | DrGrov | it is a god damn phone, and a tablet. both shit in the same package. |
| 18:59.50 | Mousey | its more a phone than a tablet |
| 18:59.55 | Mousey | sadl |
| 18:59.56 | Mousey | y |
| 19:00.00 | ljrn900 | my N810 can make calls.. |
| 19:00.05 | microlith | refrains from sarcastic mockery |
| 19:00.23 | jacekowski | btw. i've heard that HTC desire has worse battery |
| 19:00.43 | Mousey | btw, who cares. HTC doesn't run debian (derivatives) |
| 19:01.03 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 19:01.12 | DrGrov | yeah, who gives a fuck if the N900 does not have a WORKING call forwarding? |
| 19:01.21 | DrGrov | God damn I get more and more irritated at all the flaws... |
| 19:01.43 | DrGrov | When I do want to explore possibilities the answer always is "No, it does not work". or then it is a PITA |
| 19:01.51 | Mousey | get an n810. it'll be a long time before a better tablet is released again |
| 19:02.05 | kerio | why is it better than the n900? |
| 19:02.10 | microlith | well, instead of raging and griping here, why not sell it? |
| 19:02.26 | jacekowski | Mousey: n900 is a tablet |
| 19:02.34 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: did you even try ussd widget and such? |
| 19:02.35 | Mousey | bigger keyboard, bigger screen, better feel in hand, HOST MODE USB |
| 19:02.54 | jacekowski | is call forwarding really broken? |
| 19:02.56 | kerio | Mousey: so... doesn't fit in a pocket and has host mode |
| 19:02.56 | Mousey | better speakers |
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| 19:03.02 | kerio | i see |
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| 19:03.09 | jacekowski | i thought you can set it up from settings |
| 19:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.gsmcodes-online.de/Handycodes/handycodes.html |
| 19:03.11 | Mousey | its a tablet, pocket fittery is optional |
| 19:03.20 | DrGrov | microlith: you think i will give up on the N900 so easily? You gotta be kidding me |
| 19:03.21 | Mousey | its always fit in my pocket |
| 19:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | not for N900 muhahaha |
| 19:03.40 | jacekowski | Settings -> Phone -> Call Forwarding |
| 19:03.41 | jacekowski | there |
| 19:03.44 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: I will try it out, I had some minor issues though. |
| 19:04.27 | DrGrov | jacekowski: will try that way first. if it does not work i will try the ussd widget. |
| 19:04.30 | Mousey | goes off and prices n810's NIB.. if there are any left =( |
| 19:05.10 | DrGrov | microlith: you think I bought the N900 just to sell it after 6 months? |
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| 19:05.52 | microlith | DrGrov: you reminded me of all the whine posts on TMO |
| 19:05.54 | DrGrov | Do not get me wrong because of my rage towards the N900. I do consider it the best phone/tablet out there. |
| 19:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: USSD widget does not work for service codes. just tested it >:-(( |
| 19:06.14 | microlith | such rage is unhealthy, especially over a piece of consumer electronics |
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| 19:06.28 | DrGrov | microlith: have you ever seen me whine about something that is unrelated? |
| 19:06.49 | microlith | I've seen too many whiners to care |
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| 19:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: it's definitle one of the most crappy phones I ever seen |
| 19:08.31 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: well, crappy can be defined in many ways. i kind of like it for my purposes. |
| 19:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | it seems the 3G chipset actually wasn't designed for phone usage originally |
| 19:08.46 | DrGrov | microlith: yeah, you do sound a bit naggy unfortunately. |
| 19:09.37 | Stskeeps | same cellmo as in other phones, go check the isi headers, has entries several years back |
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| 19:10.27 | DrGrov | Perhaps time to wait for a new better phone then... |
| 19:11.53 | DrGrov | Nokia has really gotten worse over time |
| 19:11.55 | Stskeeps | n900's still a quite cheap developer device |
| 19:12.01 | kerio | DrGrov: nokia C2-00 |
| 19:12.04 | kerio | epic phone |
| 19:12.12 | kerio | well, *two* epic phones |
| 19:12.18 | Stskeeps | i kinda hope meego on n900 might help some issues though |
| 19:12.18 | DrGrov | kerio: you got any links to show? |
| 19:12.29 | kerio | it's not out yet |
| 19:12.31 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: i would love to see meego working well on n900. |
| 19:12.45 | DrGrov | kerio: ah yes, it is part of the new C-series phone that will replace the mid-range devices? |
| 19:12.58 | kerio | i think it replaces the low-end devices |
| 19:13.05 | kerio | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/03/dual-sim-nokia-c2-revealed-photo-gallery/ |
| 19:13.08 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: we are even going with a open telephony stack, so its nice |
| 19:13.17 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: YOU DO? :) |
| 19:13.26 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: ofono, etc |
| 19:13.27 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: gOd damn this makes me happy :) |
| 19:13.53 | Stskeeps | of course this doesnt mean the celluar software is open, but everything on linux side.. |
| 19:14.00 | DrGrov | kerio: but the phone looks hideous |
| 19:14.10 | kerio | huh? looks nice to me |
| 19:14.16 | kerio | especially the blue one |
| 19:14.25 | DrGrov | kerio: it surely does look like a child's toy |
| 19:14.26 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: parts are already out, speech path, etc |
| 19:14.46 | kerio | DrGrov: needs more blinkenlights? |
| 19:15.04 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: good good :) i do hope the phone capability will become good in a day-to-day environment. |
| 19:15.09 | kerio | it looks like a... phone |
| 19:15.18 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: yeah, me too |
| 19:15.20 | DrGrov | kerio: no, the form factor i kind of like. i do have a 3120 classic i will donate to my father. |
| 19:15.36 | DrGrov | kerio: but one thing i find utterly hideous on the phone is actually nothing to do with the form factor. |
| 19:15.41 | lcuk | DrGrov, which part of the phone is missing for you? is it just the call forwarding? |
| 19:15.44 | RZ | Is the maemo.org only non nokia repository on N900? |
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| 19:15.47 | kerio | DrGrov: what, then? |
| 19:17.39 | DrGrov | lcuk: no, call forwarding is basically just a good minor thing to have around when needed. I would love to have something a bit more in it. I gotta think a few minutes to really let you know what it is. I am trying to figure out the word in English, I only think of it in in Swedish. |
| 19:18.29 | DrGrov | kerio: the button size would have to be bigger i think. surely i am young but i like my buttons bigger. |
| 19:18.51 | kerio | that's what she said! |
| 19:18.53 | DrGrov | kerio: and no real space between the buttons, feels everything is cluttered. |
| 19:19.21 | DrGrov | lcuk: now I have the word in English. |
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| 19:20.32 | DrGrov | lcuk: damn this, i do keep forgetting all the time. i should start writing down memo notes.... |
| 19:21.13 | lcuk | DrGrov, please do, constructive words are always requested and not taken lightly |
| 19:21.30 | lcuk | Stskeeps, the callui of meego |
| 19:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | bug #8830 |
| 19:21.39 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 |
| 19:21.42 | lcuk | is it open, so people could theoretically replace the entire ux |
| 19:21.57 | DrGrov | lcuk: i try my best not to complain too much. i would like to phrase my ideas as more constructive but some things just make my blood boil. |
| 19:22.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk, yes |
| 19:22.31 | lcuk | DrGrov, yeah i just tend to bite tongue ;) |
| 19:22.34 | lcuk | :) Stskeeps |
| 19:22.37 | Stskeeps | as in meego rpm, harmattan prolly not |
| 19:22.46 | DrGrov | lcuk: i try to put in more Swedish snus in my upper lip to cool myself :) |
| 19:22.52 | kerio | is there a way to enable global autorotation? |
| 19:22.56 | lcuk | then that calls for more debian patches on meego |
| 19:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | Comment #4 from Andre Klapper: So for the upcoming PR1.2 release Nokia implemented most of the stuff from TS 22.030 --- I see, I see. MUHAHAHAH *sob* |
| 19:23.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: :( |
| 19:23.57 | Stskeeps | you're not on 1.2, right? |
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| 19:24.15 | Pauly | hi, all. |
| 19:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | me? I am right now |
| 19:24.27 | Pauly | got my n900 to turn on. |
| 19:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I rise this topic again |
| 19:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | oops, the easter egg |
| 19:25.44 | DrGrov | lcuk: One thing I was thinking about recently is that there should be some more nicer feature rich "Conversations" things... Not 100% sure how I mean but I am thinking more of deeper interaction with Conversations. Not just the widgets but more like a feel to the messaging. |
| 19:25.46 | Pauly | i cut the ac adapter and just connect the wires straight to the battery for couple mins, fixed the problem. |
| 19:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | missed the easter egg |
| 19:25.57 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: easter egg? what where? do spill |
| 19:26.14 | ShadowJK | wonders if same modem as in N900 is in CS-15 |
| 19:26.20 | Stskeeps | Pauly: O_o |
| 19:26.30 | lcuk | DrGrov, i often want to use accelerometer and vibe unit and be able to shake device on one side of world and have the other side respond |
| 19:26.31 | kerio | hahaha wat |
| 19:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c8 |
| 19:26.49 | povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 |
| 19:26.51 | lcuk | but that would get abused for risque things and potentially void warranty |
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| 19:27.29 | kerio | lcuk: remote handshake? |
| 19:27.29 | kerio | (physical handshake, i mean) |
| 19:27.32 | DrGrov | lcuk: perhaps not what I was thinking about but yes, that would be amazingly cool :) |
| 19:27.46 | lcuk | kerio, remote interaction |
| 19:27.47 | ShadowJK | Considering at the time, similar spec Nokia modems only appeared in CS-15 (which is a usb internet dongle) |
| 19:27.49 | RZ | Is the maemo.org the only non nokia repository on N900? |
| 19:27.51 | lcuk | however or whatever you use it for |
| 19:27.52 | tybollt | hmm there are too few "shake-to-control- apps for maemi |
| 19:27.53 | Pauly | stskeeps: i drained n900 battery and it would'nt charge throught the micro-usb port so i went straight to the battery |
| 19:27.57 | kerio | RZ: mozilla has one for fennec |
| 19:27.58 | lcuk | if you pat your device on the head |
| 19:28.01 | lcuk | it shakes :) |
| 19:28.40 | lcuk | nearly has prototype for something uber cool working |
| 19:28.51 | mikki-kun | Pauly: isn't that risky? Ã.ö |
| 19:29.27 | DrGrov | lcuk: PM me. Got a cool idea for you since you like testing all kind of crazy things. |
| 19:29.30 | lcuk | rz - theres potentially other repos for specific programs |
| 19:29.34 | Pauly | ya but i didnt feel like waiting 3+ days for an extrnal battery charger |
| 19:29.46 | lcuk | but none that i know of with the scope or awesomeness of maemo.org |
| 19:29.56 | kerio | hmm... i installed a build of chromium some time ago, that someone here made |
| 19:30.04 | lcuk | DrGrov, ive got 3 days to submit a proposal for something |
| 19:30.06 | kerio | who was it and is there a newer version? |
| 19:30.17 | DrGrov | lcuk: so PM me now! :) |
| 19:30.21 | lcuk | and i have to *know* it will work before i can finish it |
| 19:30.28 | lcuk | so, no im not doing anything more :P |
| 19:30.44 | DrGrov | lcuk: I can not guarantee that it works but I am sure you can get a cool laugh out of it |
| 19:30.48 | lcuk | DrGrov, shout publicly tho :P |
| 19:30.56 | DrGrov | okay, I will shout it out then |
| 19:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | Pauly: congrats :-) |
| 19:30.58 | DrGrov | So... |
| 19:31.27 | DrGrov | Damn this brain of mine! |
| 19:31.33 | RZ | but maemo has only one repo? |
| 19:31.38 | DrGrov | Fuck it! I do not get my things together |
| 19:31.47 | lcuk | lol DrGrov |
| 19:31.58 | Pauly | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the help, but the fail safe 32 min charge did nnot seem to charge phone at all. |
| 19:32.01 | ShadowJK | Oauky: what happened when you connected charger to n900? |
| 19:32.27 | RZ | I could swear there was at least one more. I might be mistaking. |
| 19:33.07 | lcuk | rz, the older maemo devices suffered from fragmentation, and a repository aggregator called gronmayer exists |
| 19:33.13 | DrGrov | lcuk: How can I get another boot video except the Nokia hands? |
| 19:33.20 | lcuk | which lists all the repos from back then, some may have n900 repos |
| 19:33.22 | DrGrov | lcuk: I want something a lot lot lot lot more ubersexier! |
| 19:33.32 | kerio | DrGrov: there's a way |
| 19:33.33 | lcuk | search forums, theres many bootvideos |
| 19:33.35 | kerio | search the wiki |
| 19:33.49 | lcuk | and instructions for changing, i think theres even an app |
| 19:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | Pauly: I told you it won't work with arbitrary random charger |
| 19:33.50 | kerio | there are some *really* cool premade boot videos |
| 19:33.54 | DrGrov | I do hope it is not too difficult to pull through since I do hate to work as root |
| 19:34.14 | DrGrov | I love to work as root on my desktop but not on the phone |
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| 19:34.49 | kerio | DrGrov: http://www.garyshood.com/root/ |
| 19:35.08 | Pauly | now i am going to flash it, YAY! |
| 19:35.33 | DrGrov | kerio: thanks, gotta read it through first :D lol |
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| 19:37.30 | DrGrov | kerio: so what you are trying to say is that I can not fuck up my / on the N900 ? |
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| 19:38.10 | kerio | DrGrov: If you are so incompetent that you can't even handle using bash without typing rm -rf / every few commands, just stop reading here. Go back to the Ubuntu forums where all of your problems are packaged away for you in nice binaries because you can't even handle installing a program from source. |
| 19:38.20 | kerio | :P |
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| 19:39.04 | lcuk | kerio, if people have to resort to dropping to root because developers are being lazy then perhaps you should go back to windows |
| 19:39.17 | lcuk | :p |
| 19:39.32 | kerio | lcuk: always run as root! you'll grow a full beard! |
| 19:39.53 | lcuk | i tried that |
| 19:39.55 | ear0wax | what the hell is going on |
| 19:40.22 | lcuk | ear0wax, i am letting off steam, kerio is growing a beard |
| 19:40.31 | kerio | i already have one! |
| 19:40.34 | kerio | because i run as root! :D |
| 19:40.55 | ear0wax | I have a beard, Im bout to shave it off im tired of hair in my mouth |
| 19:41.24 | DrGrov | I had a real fully bush as a beard but I got sick and tired of it since I could not taste the real bush |
| 19:41.32 | DrGrov | I just kept tasting my own full bush |
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| 19:42.30 | microlith | facepalm |
| 19:42.34 | lcuk | DrGrov, congratulations, you win the award for stopping the chan |
| 19:42.50 | DrGrov | lcuk: Hell yeah! |
| 19:42.54 | DrGrov | I know I am the man! |
| 19:43.04 | DrGrov | bows down in gratitude |
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| 19:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.arib.or.jp/IMT-2000/V730Jul09/5_Appendix/R99/22/22030-340.pdf is of 1999 an can be considered an absolute basic requirement for every User Equipment capable to do GSM (no matter if it's called a phone) - please vote for bug #8830 ! |
| 19:48.45 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 |
| 19:50.10 | DrGrov | lcuk: I managed to do something right at least |
| 19:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | actually Nokia has implemented a complete set of compliant code handling in about every phone they ever built. I just can't see why they failed on N900, they just had to copy over from somewhere else |
| 19:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, hell, even my year2000 6210 knew how to do each single one of those codes |
| 19:53.26 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: because N900 isn't a phone |
| 19:53.38 | Appiah | but has a phone function.. |
| 19:54.04 | luke-jr | anyone know a way to default the phone app to SIP? |
| 19:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's no excuse. TS22.030 applies to User Equipment |
| 19:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | N900 *IS* a User Equipment for GSM |
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| 19:56.24 | luke-jr | my N900 apparently just decided it isn't going on 2G/3G unless I select network manually... |
| 19:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: it has a Man Machine Interface to enter numbers, so MMI codes are mandatory according to TS22.030 |
| 19:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not shy to ask 3GPP board about that issue |
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| 19:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | 6.5.1 |
| 19:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | General |
| 19:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | The supplementary services shall be controlled in accordance with the procedures described below. All User Equipment |
| 19:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | with MMI shall be able to be controlled in this way, to minimize the confusion of users using different types of User |
| 19:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | Equipment (quite likely, due to the use of the SIM IC card) and to permit the introduction by a PLMN operator of new |
| 19:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | supplementary services, not defined at the time of the design of a User Equipment. These procedures are based on those |
| 19:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | recommended by ETSI/HF and ITU-T Recommendation E.131. |
| 19:59.48 | luke-jr | anyhow |
| 19:59.59 | luke-jr | I can't manually select AT&T |
| 20:00.05 | luke-jr | shouldn't N900 let me connect to roam? |
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| 20:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | Nota bene: TS22.030 does NOT specify a comprehensive set of codes to support, but instead specifies a way for UE to handle MMI that were ""not defined at the time of the design of a User Equipment"". So I really don't get what Nokia is doing there, with just supporting one or 2 out of the whole range of possible codes. Quite obviously the interpretation of a code's semantics is not in the domain of the dialer, nor is it the domain of the |
| 20:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | modem firmware |
| 20:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | smells like someone implemented multiplication by a hardcoded 1x1 lookup table, rather than an algorithm |
| 20:07.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: where? |
| 20:08.10 | kerio | and lookup tables are awesome |
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| 20:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | fo MMI (that was a metaphor, maybe not a very good one) |
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| 20:10.06 | Venemo | hey guys. |
| 20:10.12 | rohit2 | Hello,, I have an application written in javascript.. is there any way to port this application on maemo?? |
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| 20:12.33 | alterego | rohit2: run it in the browser? |
| 20:15.43 | Venemo | I seek for some advice for my Sticky Notes app. |
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| 20:16.51 | rohit2 | actually then it won't suit the UI requirements for phone.. also I want to develop a save feature for the app.. my app can't setup database through a browser// |
| 20:17.23 | Venemo | From a usability standpoint, would it do any good to have an option to change the font or the text colour for selected text inside a note? |
| 20:17.33 | SpeedEvil | It actually can save rohit2 |
| 20:17.55 | SpeedEvil | http://tiddlywiki.com/ for example - sort of works on n900, and can locally save. |
| 20:17.56 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 20:19.32 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6591 |
| 20:19.32 | povbot | Bug 6591: Javascript security settings do not persist (tiddlywiki.com) |
| 20:19.35 | SpeedEvil | is annoying |
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| 20:20.53 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: is this the sticky notes app with three (?) icons at the top to do stuff? |
| 20:21.06 | SpeedEvil | And a semitransparent note on the desktop? |
| 20:21.58 | kerio | Venemo: hmm |
| 20:22.00 | kerio | i say useless |
| 20:22.01 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: yeah. but they are on the bottom |
| 20:22.14 | kerio | fuck rich text |
| 20:22.42 | SpeedEvil | I think the ability to pop between a big and a small font might have plusses |
| 20:22.49 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 20:23.22 | Venemo | well, some sort of rich text will be definitely there, as it is a popular feature request. |
| 20:23.55 | Venemo | so: bold, italic, underline, strike-through for selected texts will be there |
| 20:24.07 | luke-jr | any simple way to dump the boot log to a file? |
| 20:24.20 | luke-jr | I tried prepending /sbin/preinit with exec >/bootlog 2>&1 |
| 20:24.27 | luke-jr | but apparently that doesn't cover everything |
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| 20:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c17 for your reference, when you're going ass-kicking |
| 20:33.30 | povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 |
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| 20:34.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG51, hey |
| 20:35.20 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, hey |
| 20:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: obviously it wont cover exe calls that do their own redirecting of stdout/stderr |
| 20:35.44 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but stuff still goes to console... |
| 20:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 20:36.09 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i know you and MohammadAG51 are very close, both your nations hate mine. and you talk with him a lot... i wanted to ask you to say hello from me and that i miss him |
| 20:36.37 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I will read that through. |
| 20:36.41 | luke-jr | I think I just broke my rootfs :( |
| 20:36.48 | alterego | Uh-oh ... |
| 20:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: dunno what 'my nation' does. Be assured it's not even close to what I do |
| 20:37.12 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, but you do hate me =) |
| 20:37.43 | ZogG | luke-jr, what you mean broke, like disk itslef or just os? |
| 20:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | not really. I may think about that once more though :-P |
| 20:37.57 | luke-jr | ZogG: I did a bad change to /sbin/preinit |
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| 20:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I miss MohammadAG51 as well |
| 20:38.11 | luke-jr | any ideas to recover, other than reflashing? |
| 20:38.21 | ZogG | luke-jr can't boot at all? |
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| 20:38.29 | luke-jr | nope |
| 20:38.35 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It seems like a huge problem. |
| 20:38.44 | ZogG | luke-jr, so you can't =)) |
| 20:38.49 | luke-jr | NOLO? |
| 20:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: maybe his card elapsed a 4 digits debit for roaming abroad meanwhile |
| 20:38.52 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I wonder if it is right that I call Nokia Care and yell there or should I try to yell even higher? |
| 20:39.10 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, or he dombed himself ) |
| 20:39.38 | ZogG | DrGrov, what problem do you have? |
| 20:39.50 | DrGrov | ZogG: this one, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c17 |
| 20:39.51 | povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 |
| 20:39.57 | luke-jr | I have a /sbin/preinit.orig backup... |
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| 20:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: wondering myself what to do about it |
| 20:40.26 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, figured out with meego acc? |
| 20:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | the 8830 MMI shit? nope |
| 20:41.07 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Perhaps a joint e-mail to send ? |
| 20:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | but as the bug seems to sit in modem firmware, I don't expect any better results with meego whatsoever |
| 20:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: maybe talk to 'the council' - though not even they seem to have voice, see MyNokia SMS issue |
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| 20:42.44 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i hope they work on driver as well and than gave them to maemo too =) |
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| 20:43.49 | luke-jr | anyone here managed to build a kernel for N900 that can boot PR1.2? |
| 20:44.14 | trip0 | kernel-power works |
| 20:44.21 | trip0 | afaik |
| 20:44.29 | luke-jr | I need someone who can build it ;0 |
| 20:44.42 | luke-jr | so they can make me a version w/ a custom cmdline |
| 20:44.44 | luke-jr | :) |
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| 20:46.17 | SpeedEvil | you know you can supply a cmdline wiht the flasher? |
| 20:46.47 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that didn't work on N810, and doesn't appear to on N900 either |
| 20:47.11 | Stskeeps | it works on n900 |
| 20:47.22 | luke-jr | maybe a Flasher 3.0 bug then :/ |
| 20:47.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:47.36 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: can you build PR1.2 kernels? :) |
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| 20:48.18 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: no, too sleepy |
| 20:48.26 | luke-jr | :( |
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| 21:01.24 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: nope, it doesn't... |
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| 21:02.27 | luke-jr | that is, flasher 3.5 can't change boot params either |
| 21:02.50 | jacekowski | nothing can |
| 21:02.55 | jacekowski | it's hardcoded iirc |
| 21:03.11 | luke-jr | jacekowski: can you build PR1.2-compat kernels? :D |
| 21:03.36 | jacekowski | what do you mean by pr1.2 compat kernel |
| 21:03.40 | jacekowski | it's just a normal kerne |
| 21:03.46 | jacekowski | with all nokia modules |
| 21:03.46 | luke-jr | jacekowski: LOL, no it isn't |
| 21:04.01 | luke-jr | anyhow, I mean something that can boot Maemo |
| 21:04.08 | jacekowski | well, yeah |
| 21:04.18 | luke-jr | in my attempting to debug why my own kernels won't boot, I broke /sbin/preinit |
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| 21:04.30 | luke-jr | to recover, I need a working kernel that uses /sbin/preinit.orig |
| 21:04.39 | luke-jr | could you make me one please? :) |
| 21:04.48 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:04.56 | jacekowski | something like that |
| 21:04.59 | jacekowski | that can be done |
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| 21:05.59 | luke-jr | jacekowski: ty :D |
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| 21:06.21 | luke-jr | jacekowski: also, I'm not sure it's necessary, but I *might* need bootreason hard-coded to pwr_key |
| 21:06.35 | luke-jr | I can't seem to find a way to boot with power-key and also load a kernel over USB |
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| 21:11.32 | lbt | DrGrov: ask here.... |
| 21:12.24 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I'm waiting on you, correct? or do I need to give more info? |
| 21:13.10 | jacekowski | waiting |
| 21:13.17 | luke-jr | k |
| 21:13.50 | DrGrov | So, I do find that the call forwarding on the N900 should be addressed quite rapidly. Feels like a high-end device like the N900 should support call forwarding by default without any playing around with config files nor having to do much of anything to get it working. Even a 20 regular cell phone has a working call forwarding that just works, plain and simple. Does it really have to get this difficult on such a technically advanced phon |
| 21:13.50 | DrGrov | e/tablet ? |
| 21:14.13 | luke-jr | DrGrov: it doesn't work? |
| 21:14.15 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 21:15.44 | lbt | DrGrov: Issues like this are usually dealt with by reporting a bug. |
| 21:16.01 | DrGrov | lbt: and what happens when I report a bug? Nothing much perhaps? |
| 21:16.18 | lbt | it often seems that way :) |
| 21:16.20 | ShadowJK | I vaguely remember a call forwarding app, so that suggests someone thought the included call forwarding doesn't work |
| 21:16.29 | luke-jr | DrGrov: in theory, the people who fix bugs looks at it |
| 21:16.35 | DrGrov | ShadowJK: That is what I mean |
| 21:16.45 | lbt | but I think it is just that we don't see the work going on behind the scenes |
| 21:16.57 | DrGrov | It should be there by default and no need to jump around in the phone and installing things |
| 21:17.27 | luke-jr | DrGrov: call forwarding isn't exactly a standard feature |
| 21:17.30 | DrGrov | luke-jr: yes, in theory I can agree but in practice even? |
| 21:17.47 | DrGrov | luke-jr: call forwarding not a standard feature? may I ask that when were you born and have not seen call fowarding?? |
| 21:18.30 | luke-jr | DrGrov: I was born in 1985. I recently noted a lack of call forwarding on my wife's standard cellular service. |
| 21:18.46 | jacekowski | luke-jr: done almost |
| 21:18.49 | jacekowski | luke-jr: but |
| 21:18.58 | ShadowJK | shrugs |
| 21:19.05 | jacekowski | if your phone will explode/melt/do anything |
| 21:19.09 | jacekowski | don't blame it on me |
| 21:19.12 | luke-jr | jacekowski: hehe, ok |
| 21:19.16 | DrGrov | luke-jr: I do find call forwarding to be a absolute must on any phone. |
| 21:19.34 | luke-jr | DrGrov: the only time I can see it as useful is people who want Google Voice voicemail...\ |
| 21:19.57 | jacekowski | maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/zImage |
| 21:20.06 | jacekowski | it should work and ignore init option |
| 21:20.39 | jacekowski | and run preinit.orig instead |
| 21:20.47 | ShadowJK | One problem with bugs is that bugs are only behaviours that deviate from the intended/designed, so if the design spec says call forwarding should work exactly the way it does now, then it's not a bug, but a feature request ;p |
| 21:20.48 | DrGrov | luke-jr: I do tons of phone calls each day and I really depend on call forwarding to work since if I run out of battery it will nicely revert it to my work phone or vice versa |
| 21:21.21 | andre__ | DrGrov, what's the issue with call forwarding currently? |
| 21:21.33 | luke-jr | jacekowski: doesn't seem to work :( |
| 21:21.40 | jacekowski | luke-jr: what's the problem? |
| 21:21.44 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no idea, no fbcon |
| 21:21.52 | luke-jr | it just reboots after N seconds |
| 21:21.54 | Macer | still watching bleach |
| 21:21.55 | Macer | heh |
| 21:22.08 | jacekowski | get it into r&d mode |
| 21:22.10 | luke-jr | it is |
| 21:22.21 | jacekowski | watchdog disabled? |
| 21:22.26 | luke-jr | unlikely |
| 21:22.29 | jacekowski | and lifeguard restart? |
| 21:22.29 | luke-jr | how do I do that? :P |
| 21:22.34 | jacekowski | with r&d flags |
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| 21:24.11 | luke-jr | still no-go |
| 21:24.33 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 21:24.38 | luke-jr | fbcon variant? :) |
| 21:24.42 | jacekowski | and nothing on the screen? |
| 21:24.55 | luke-jr | NOKIA logo, R&D icon, kernel version etc |
| 21:25.01 | luke-jr | 'no initfs \o/' |
| 21:25.28 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 21:25.36 | luke-jr | after it rebooted, now it's just sitting there |
| 21:25.42 | luke-jr | no reboot, but no progress either |
| 21:25.47 | Macer | wtf. when did everybody in bleach learn how to fly around? |
| 21:25.49 | jacekowski | well, that's coming from preinit |
| 21:26.43 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:26.50 | jacekowski | let me just check something |
| 21:26.54 | luke-jr | fbcon I think will help debug |
| 21:27.05 | luke-jr | especially now that it isn't rebooting |
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| 21:31.07 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:31.10 | jacekowski | building |
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| 21:34.11 | jacekowski | real 2m31.820s |
| 21:34.12 | jacekowski | user 7m57.694s |
| 21:34.12 | jacekowski | sys 0m28.030s |
| 21:34.34 | jacekowski | luke-jr: |
| 21:34.36 | jacekowski | luke-jr: same address |
| 21:35.14 | luke-jr | it's trying to use /sbin/preinit |
| 21:35.19 | luke-jr | not /sbin/preinit.orig |
| 21:35.21 | luke-jr | :( |
| 21:35.32 | jacekowski | how do you know that? |
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| 21:35.46 | luke-jr | my /sbin/preinit problem is that I rm /dev/console :) |
| 21:35.53 | luke-jr | and it's complaining about failing to open it |
| 21:36.44 | jacekowski | where do you see that it's trying to run that /sbin/preinit? |
| 21:36.57 | luke-jr | if it wasn't, I wouldn't get a console error |
| 21:37.07 | luke-jr | since /dev/console would exist |
| 21:37.11 | SpeedEvil | Macer: that's not a bleach thing - in japan everyone can fly. |
| 21:37.14 | luke-jr | ...assuming a dynamic /dev :| |
| 21:37.24 | jacekowski | nah, it's not dynamic at that stage |
| 21:37.28 | luke-jr | ouch |
| 21:37.31 | luke-jr | I fail |
| 21:37.41 | luke-jr | ok, how about another approach... |
| 21:38.04 | luke-jr | compile-in ext2 support, and try to boot /sbin/init on root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 ? |
| 21:38.05 | jacekowski | what is complaining btw |
| 21:38.07 | luke-jr | :) |
| 21:38.07 | jacekowski | kernel? |
| 21:38.14 | luke-jr | no, something in preinit I think |
| 21:38.22 | jacekowski | that can be fixed |
| 21:39.06 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 21:39.15 | luke-jr | maybe just init=/bin/sh even actually |
| 21:39.29 | luke-jr | except I probably won't be able to load a keymap with digits |
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| 21:39.40 | jacekowski | give me a sec |
| 21:42.25 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:42.26 | jacekowski | same file |
| 21:42.31 | jacekowski | that might work |
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| 21:43.15 | jacekowski | hmm maybe no |
| 21:43.40 | jacekowski | try it |
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| 21:45.16 | luke-jr | nope |
| 21:45.19 | luke-jr | what was that supposed to do |
| 21:46.14 | jacekowski | create /dev/console |
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| 21:46.56 | jacekowski | any specific message |
| 21:47.02 | jacekowski | or what? |
| 21:48.25 | luke-jr | the final msg is always "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 21:48.38 | jacekowski | that's ok |
| 21:48.40 | luke-jr | also |
| 21:48.43 | jacekowski | now try the previous one |
| 21:48.47 | luke-jr | bootup reason in log says usb |
| 21:48.51 | jacekowski | i mean, previous kernel |
| 21:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ping MohammadAG51 :-) |
| 21:49.16 | luke-jr | jacekowski: same |
| 21:49.29 | MohammadAG51 | shush :P |
| 21:49.43 | luke-jr | jacekowski: maybe init=/bin/sh > |
| 21:49.44 | luke-jr | ? |
| 21:50.11 | jacekowski | maybe |
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| 21:51.18 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:51.25 | jacekowski | same address agan |
| 21:51.28 | jacekowski | again* |
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| 21:52.40 | luke-jr | nope :| |
| 21:53.15 | luke-jr | is 2.6.28 too old for devtmpfs? |
| 21:53.38 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 21:53.57 | luke-jr | root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 init=/sbin/init |
| 21:53.59 | luke-jr | plz |
| 21:54.06 | jacekowski | try this one |
| 21:54.38 | luke-jr | no-go; what was that? |
| 21:54.58 | jacekowski | hmmm |
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| 21:55.05 | Macer | SpeedEvil: hahha! |
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| 21:56.42 | luke-jr | jacekowski: ? root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 init=/sbin/init |
| 21:56.55 | jacekowski | sure |
| 21:56.57 | jacekowski | just a sec |
| 21:57.11 | luke-jr | jacekowski: also, I suspect I know why your create-devconsole one failed: /dev/console exists, but it's not a device node |
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| 21:58.35 | jacekowski | luke-jr: now |
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| 22:00.28 | luke-jr | jacekowski: can't open root blah blah |
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| 22:00.34 | luke-jr | jacekowski: need ext2 compiled in |
| 22:00.38 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 22:00.40 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 22:01.00 | luke-jr | rootfstype=ext2 also possibly |
| 22:01.08 | luke-jr | since Maemo's kernel never detects it right |
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| 22:03.02 | luke-jr | init=/sbin/init root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 rootfstype=ext2 console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6 |
| 22:03.17 | luke-jr | maybe make init=/bin/sh since I don't have fstab configured... |
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| 22:03.47 | jacekowski | luke-jr: try now |
| 22:04.25 | luke-jr | hrm, still nope ;( |
| 22:04.35 | luke-jr | I wonder if the kernel calls it mmcblk0p5 |
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| 22:05.28 | jacekowski | well, it has to exist in /dev |
| 22:05.39 | luke-jr | for the kernel? |
| 22:05.42 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:05.49 | jacekowski | kernel has builtin small initrd |
| 22:05.54 | jacekowski | with that kind of shit |
| 22:06.09 | jacekowski | are you downloading it over http? |
| 22:06.18 | jacekowski | are you sure that you don't have some proxy there? |
| 22:06.25 | ShadowJK | in normal maemo bootup /dev/mmc* dosn't exist at preinit time |
| 22:06.25 | luke-jr | sure |
| 22:06.49 | luke-jr | normal cmdline has root=ubi0:rootfs :P |
| 22:07.47 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.49 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.52 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.54 | ShadowJK | luke-jr: btw, next time make a bootmenu.sh with mv preinit.orig preinit ;) |
| 22:08.04 | ShadowJK | or similar for whatever you've modded |
| 22:08.13 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: preinit is pre-bootmenu too |
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| 22:08.20 | ShadowJK | oh oops. |
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| 22:09.36 | luke-jr | jacekowski: can you be bothered to throw a busybox into an embedded initramfs and boot into that? :/ |
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| 22:10.28 | jacekowski | sure |
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| 22:20.03 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 22:20.08 | jacekowski | i can't find static busybox |
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| 22:29.13 | luke-jr | jacekowski: think one from N810 would work? XD |
| 22:30.08 | luke-jr | will need to rebuild it to make it static, but... <.< |
| 22:30.25 | jacekowski | nah |
| 22:30.27 | jacekowski | i have one now |
| 22:30.36 | luke-jr | ....k |
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| 22:32.12 | Abhi_ | hello everyone |
| 22:32.24 | Abhi_ | is this maemo developers room |
| 22:32.42 | mortini | Sometimes. |
| 22:33.03 | mortini | Sometimes not. But, generally maemo related. |
| 22:33.22 | Abhi_ | then for most of the times? |
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| 22:33.43 | Abhi_ | okay... so its same for Meego |
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| 22:35.33 | jacekowski | Abhi_: #maemo-devel |
| 22:35.56 | jacekowski | luke-jr: try now |
| 22:36.08 | Abhi_ | So future versions will be of Maemo only or it will come under the name as Meego |
| 22:36.20 | Abhi_ | thank you jace |
| 22:37.56 | jacekowski | luke-jr: does it work? |
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| 22:43.04 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no :( |
| 22:43.18 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no :( |
| 22:44.08 | luke-jr | floods something about /dev/tty* |
| 22:44.15 | jacekowski | yep |
| 22:44.19 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 22:44.26 | jacekowski | what is exactly the message? |
| 22:44.45 | luke-jr | init: can't log to /dev/tty5 |
| 22:44.51 | luke-jr | Can't open /dev/tty4: No such file or directory |
| 22:45.15 | luke-jr | process '-/bin/sh' (pid N) exited. Scheduling for restart. |
| 22:45.27 | luke-jr | not sure what it says before all the flooding |
| 22:45.30 | luke-jr | it scrolls off too fast |
| 22:46.54 | jacekowski | wait a sec |
| 22:48.34 | jacekowski | now |
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| 22:50.22 | jacekowski | luke-jr: |
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| 22:56.46 | luke-jr | jacekowski: same |
| 22:57.14 | luke-jr | sorry, doing dishes in between attempts XD |
| 22:59.37 | jacekowski | just flash it |
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| 23:03.56 | luke-jr | :( |
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| 23:14.31 | jacekowski | hmm, kernel with very similiar config is booting on BB |
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| 23:20.28 | Pauly | hello |
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| 23:24.23 | Pauly | what does combined mean as in the maemo 5 img RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin, not sure if its right? |
| 23:25.00 | Pauly | does that mean its the firmware and emmc image? |
| 23:25.30 | GAN900 | No |
| 23:25.47 | GAN900 | It has to do with which hardware revisions are supported |
| 23:26.21 | luke-jr | jacekowski: is it at the URI? |
| 23:26.24 | Pauly | oh ok, im tryng to get all the files i need |
| 23:26.41 | Pauly | i have flasher and that bin. |
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| 23:27.18 | GAN900 | Pauly, need for? |
| 23:27.20 | asj | oh god, I can't stop myself, I don't want to, but I can't hold back. Pauly why are flashing your dead phone? |
| 23:27.35 | Pauly | i got it to work. |
| 23:27.46 | Pauly | u must have not been here |
| 23:28.11 | kerio | Pauly actually charged the battery manually, by cutting the charger and connecting the pins directly |
| 23:28.32 | asj | kerio: really? |
| 23:28.38 | Pauly | GAN900: i bought it used, so i want it all fresh. |
| 23:28.41 | kerio | at least, that's what he says |
| 23:28.41 | Pauly | ya |
| 23:28.47 | kerio | she? |
| 23:28.49 | Pauly | took like 2 mins |
| 23:28.56 | asj | shudders |
| 23:29.02 | kerio | asj: yeah |
| 23:29.03 | Pauly | im a he!!!!! |
| 23:29.03 | kerio | :/ |
| 23:29.07 | kerio | but hey, it works |
| 23:29.19 | kerio | Pauly: that wasn't an insult |
| 23:29.27 | Pauly | iits ok |
| 23:30.29 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 23:30.29 | infobot | kerio: thanks |
| 23:30.39 | Pauly | all i need is the flasher, and that bin file. i think. |
| 23:31.06 | kerio | Pauly: can you boot and charge the phone now? |
| 23:31.11 | kerio | i'd wait until it's completely charged before doing anything else |
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| 23:31.38 | Pauly | ya, its been powered on all day. |
| 23:32.30 | Pauly | had to use the back usb ports for the flasher to recognize my device. |
| 23:32.46 | kerio | huh? |
| 23:32.52 | kerio | how many ports are there? |
| 23:33.00 | luke-jr | jacekowski: care to share? :| |
| 23:33.08 | asj | Pauly: did the charging led go from pulsing yellow to green? |
| 23:33.09 | luke-jr | kerio: on his computer |
| 23:33.14 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 23:33.29 | GAN900 | kerio, two on the device |
| 23:33.44 | Pauly | sry i know im not specific. |
| 23:33.45 | kerio | i have one |
| 23:33.47 | GAN900 | kerio, the pads under the batt are USB, serial and cell stuff. |
| 23:33.55 | kerio | ooh |
| 23:33.58 | kerio | col |
| 23:34.00 | kerio | er |
| 23:34.01 | kerio | cool |
| 23:34.10 | kerio | wait, what's the usb used for? |
| 23:34.18 | GAN900 | Factory flashing |
| 23:34.25 | GAN900 | Nokia has a cradle. |
| 23:34.38 | Pauly | thats cool |
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| 23:38.29 | Pauly | how is transmission the torrent client in easy debian? |
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| 23:38.42 | Pauly | stable, fast? |
| 23:38.53 | ech0Asus | unstable and very fast! |
| 23:39.23 | Pauly | cool cause i have the one for maemo and it sucks. |
| 23:39.47 | luke-jr | GAN900: it's an independent port, or just a header for the same one? |
| 23:39.55 | asj | what's the facination with torrents on phones? it kills the bat in like 5mins |
| 23:40.07 | GAN900 | luke-jr, I'm not sure. |
| 23:40.13 | GAN900 | asj, 5 minutes? |
| 23:40.21 | asj | GAN900: ok, 2-4 hours |
| 23:40.34 | GAN900 | asj, 2-4 hours? |
| 23:40.51 | trip0 | rotation on maemo sucks compared to meego's |
| 23:41.06 | GAN900 | The fascination stems partly from novelty, and partly from convenience, I imagine. |
| 23:41.09 | asj | trip0: maemo has rotation? |
| 23:41.20 | trip0 | asj: it does in the dialer |
| 23:41.21 | GAN900 | One less thing tyinh you to a larger computer. |
| 23:41.23 | trip0 | if you turn it on |
| 23:42.04 | alterego | I wonder why "Nokia" decided to implement Maps in Mozilla ... |
| 23:42.07 | kerio | i don't see why the maemo transmission should be different from the easy debian transmission |
| 23:43.07 | Pauly | kerio: it just does not respond with large files downloading. |
| 23:43.29 | Pauly | which i guess makes sence since its a mobile. |
| 23:49.04 | Pauly | im hungry |
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| 23:49.37 | trip0 | is hungry |
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| 23:53.18 | mneptok | oh no! an LjL! |
| 23:53.26 | LjL | mneptok :) |
| 23:54.11 | b-man | eats a sandwich |
| 23:55.02 | LjL | mneptok: do you have a maemo device? |
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| 23:58.48 | mneptok | LjL: aye, an N900 |
| 23:59.03 | LjL | mneptok: ooh you luck rich #¤%#"#NO CARRIER |
| 23:59.07 | LjL | s/luck/lucky/ |
| 23:59.15 | LjL | that i did. |
| 23:59.23 | mneptok | infobot: sit down. |
| 23:59.24 | infobot | ACTION puts on 200lbs, sits on down. and squishes him |
| 23:59.25 | LjL | smart bot, why isn't ours as smart? |
| 23:59.39 | mneptok | i blame lazy bot developers |
| 23:59.47 | LjL | s/lazy bot developers/seveas/ |
| 23:59.57 | b-man | ~lazy |
| 23:59.58 | infobot | Hard work may pay off later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Work hard at hardly working! |
