| 00:00.07 | paroneayea | microlith: where do you get this information? |
| 00:00.24 | paroneayea | blobless ofono is relevant to my interests. |
| 00:00.44 | microlith | that's the impression I get from the forum and ml, maybe it's wrong? |
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| 00:01.09 | microlith | I'm wondering what value there is in keeping a closed blob |
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| 00:01.33 | paroneayea | I don't see any value in it, but it's a longstanding, depressing "tradition" :P |
| 00:01.37 | SpeedEvil | Keeping what? |
| 00:01.42 | SpeedEvil | There are many reasons |
| 00:01.53 | ShadowJK | Unfortunately nokia no longer owns the modem |
| 00:01.53 | ShadowJK | they sold it to japan |
| 00:01.58 | paroneayea | SpeedEvil: <microlith> within a few weeks or so there should be a release of ofono that will work without closed bits on the N900 |
| 00:02.10 | SpeedEvil | a common one is that it was simply developed without thought that it may be wanted to be open |
| 00:02.19 | SpeedEvil | so the contracts were not written to permit it |
| 00:02.31 | paroneayea | I'm out |
| 00:02.37 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Excuses* |
| 00:02.54 | SpeedEvil | It's not actually an excuse - it's a valid point. |
| 00:03.07 | SpeedEvil | The question then arises 'why weren't...' |
| 00:03.19 | SpeedEvil | which is a much harder question for a supposedly open platform |
| 00:03.55 | microlith | well, it has no impact on -meego- proper, since it's a hardware specific question at that point. Maemo, however... |
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| 00:05.50 | luke-jr | microlith: Maemo has always been a closed platform |
| 00:10.55 | Stskeeps | ofono already works on n900, fwiw |
| 00:10.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 00:11.24 | Stskeeps | we made a call (without audio, didnt have proper audio in kernel), so |
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| 00:12.34 | SpeedEvil | does data work? |
| 00:14.41 | Stskeeps | didn't check |
| 00:15.31 | Noma | is there now a proper solution to make maemo and meego dualboot? |
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| 00:15.37 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: without pulseaudio? :p |
| 00:15.59 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i said no audio, but to my knowledge pulseaudio plugins exist for this purpose, not so much alsa :P |
| 00:16.11 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: Kopete? |
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| 00:33.17 | Shapeshifter | ampersand and percent? |
| 00:33.22 | Shapeshifter | or what do you mean. |
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| 00:42.56 | FIQ | spapeshifter, thanks |
| 00:49.16 | FIQ | and btw |
| 00:49.42 | FIQ | why does holding shift+fn and click z/x or j/k giving both of them's fn-char |
| 00:49.43 | FIQ | ? |
| 00:50.00 | FIQ | i mean, in same time - two chars get output |
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| 01:08.14 | PhonicUK | anyone around got mupen64 installed on their N900? |
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| 01:10.10 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: hardware limit IIRC |
| 01:10.26 | FIQ | ok |
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| 01:12.16 | SpeedEvil | in that shift-fn-z also connects shift-fn-y - indirectly through the switches in series |
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| 01:48.36 | pigeon | hmm, on the n900 can i search my contacts by a number? |
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| 02:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, a bit. |
| 02:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, we had a few new wiki pages |
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| 02:12.52 | Termana | good morning |
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| 02:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | Lionbridge is working on some stuff. |
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| 05:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | (<FIQ> why does holding shift+fn and click z/x or j/k giving both of them's fn-char) that's because of Nokia EE fsckd it up with building a decent hw matrix for kbd, with dedicated "wires" for all qualifier keys. So keeping pressed shift+Fn shorts the matrix in a way you can't distinguish between z/x or j/k, so the driver thinks both are pressed while in fact you just press j OR k |
| 05:15.13 | jaem | Interesting... |
| 05:15.35 | jaem | Did you determine that by deduction, or otherwise? |
| 05:15.42 | jaem | I mean, it makes sense, but I'm curious. |
| 05:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | same problem with ctrl+shift, or ctrl+Fn, just other keypairs that get shorted |
| 05:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | I looked on the schematics |
| 05:16.16 | jaem | DocScrutinizer, Oh, in that service manual that's floating around? |
| 05:16.24 | jaem | meant to look through that |
| 05:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | the worst thing: Nokia had a couple of unused matrix inputs unused, which they could have assigned exclusively to the qualifier keys, at no additional cost |
| 05:17.56 | jaem | *facepalm* |
| 05:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | oops, -1*unused |
| 05:18.03 | Macer | hinet.net needs to die |
| 05:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | need coffee |
| 05:18.09 | Macer | do actual people use hinet.net? |
| 05:18.16 | Macer | or is it just a cesspool of asian spam ? |
| 05:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: the chip has 8*8 matrix. Go figure |
| 05:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | jaem: and they couldn't manage to give a separate row or col line to those 3 qualifier keys |
| 05:20.42 | arachnist | Macer: hinet.net has no A record |
| 05:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | would have left them with 5*8 for the remaining, err 30? |
| 05:20.57 | arachnist | Macer: nor CNAME for that matter |
| 05:22.24 | Macer | arachnist: go figure |
| 05:22.31 | Macer | heh... they have like a ton of subnets |
| 05:22.49 | Macer | i don't think they have the A record because people would block the entire domain so they probably found a way around it |
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| 05:26.48 | kerio | luke-jr: use DNS tunnelling |
| 05:27.07 | luke-jr | kerio: less efficient :) |
| 05:27.16 | luke-jr | kerio: but I plan to, for regular IP |
| 05:27.38 | luke-jr | nstx doesn't work though |
| 05:27.45 | luke-jr | T-Mobile blocks TXT replies |
| 05:27.54 | kerio | oh |
| 05:27.55 | kerio | :( |
| 05:28.02 | kerio | well, you need to encode IP addresses then |
| 05:28.06 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 05:28.11 | luke-jr | which has very limited bandwidth |
| 05:28.14 | kerio | heh |
| 05:28.16 | luke-jr | depending on how many A records I can return |
| 05:28.32 | kerio | wait, what's tmob's ipv6 support? |
| 05:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | I mean I'm not talking about spending 0.20$ for some 35 diodes to get real N-key rollover. Just a simple different layout and circuit. an additional trace on the PCB. Delta-BOM == 0.00$ |
| 05:28.54 | luke-jr | kerio: no idea, I'm building this with the assumption that I don't have data service |
| 05:29.15 | luke-jr | (still plan to get data service, but doing this first is more fun) |
| 05:29.33 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 05:29.45 | luke-jr | iff I can return 256 A records per query, that gives me 768 MTU |
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| 05:31.37 | luke-jr | if only 16 A records per reply, 56 bytes :/ |
| 05:31.44 | luke-jr | which complicates things since that's mostly header |
| 05:32.19 | kerio | use CNAME records |
| 05:32.27 | luke-jr | kerio: ah, right |
| 05:32.32 | luke-jr | that was my plan, I forgot it XD |
| 05:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | moo hax0rs ;-P |
| 05:32.39 | kerio | µ |
| 05:32.57 | luke-jr | assume T-Mobile doesn't try to resolve the CNAME and return the A it resolves to |
| 05:33.04 | luke-jr | but I'll find out soon enough |
| 05:33.10 | luke-jr | installing Gentoo in a chroot so I can use dig |
| 05:33.12 | luke-jr | :) |
| 05:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware jebba had created a rather complete debian build repo for native maemo? |
| 05:34.19 | luke-jr | but I want Gentoo, not Debian |
| 05:34.22 | luke-jr | :) |
| 05:34.25 | kerio | isn't there dig in easy debian? |
| 05:34.37 | arachnist | who cares about debian? ;P |
| 05:34.40 | luke-jr | Debian isn't optimized for a handheld |
| 05:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | aah so gentoo is? |
| 05:35.13 | arachnist | luke-jr: sicko... but i do have an arm device running gentoo (though it's not the N900) |
| 05:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I give a shit for a handheld-optimized dig executable |
| 05:35.28 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Gentoo is a meta-distribution; it is optimized for whatever you want |
| 05:35.34 | luke-jr | arachnist: my N810 is Gentoo-only |
| 05:35.45 | arachnist | nice |
| 05:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: aren't you oversimplifying? just a itsy tiny lil bit? |
| 05:36.10 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: obviously it's not *just* for dig |
| 05:36.24 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, grab the van. We're going in to arrest these Gentoo punks |
| 05:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 05:36.43 | arachnist | recompiles Termana on his openrd-client |
| 05:36.47 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, i have dig compiled and packaged as "dig" |
| 05:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~gentoo luke-jr |
| 05:36.57 | infobot | ACTION recompiles luke-jr again |
| 05:36.57 | WormFood | luke-jr, are you trying to tunnel traffic through dns on your own, or use existing tools? |
| 05:36.58 | MohammadAG51 | for maemo |
| 05:37.07 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 05:37.07 | infobot | kerio: thanks |
| 05:37.17 | luke-jr | WormFood: the existing tools are blocked |
| 05:37.31 | WormFood | you tried iodine? |
| 05:37.39 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: honestly, I didn't look for dig :) |
| 05:37.50 | MohammadAG51 | you'd expect iputils |
| 05:37.52 | luke-jr | it was tcpdump and a few others that made me give up on standard *nix tools in Maemo |
| 05:37.56 | luke-jr | yeah, iproute2 |
| 05:38.07 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 05:38.07 | infobot | :), kerio |
| 05:38.08 | MohammadAG51 | but busybox is too fucked up to allow iputils to install |
| 05:38.18 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: iputils is distinct from iproute2? |
| 05:38.29 | luke-jr | my router (with Busybox) has iproute2... |
| 05:38.43 | MohammadAG51 | not sure what iproute2 is, but iputils* has all net binaries in ubuntu |
| 05:38.49 | MohammadAG51 | so i packaged that |
| 05:38.51 | luke-jr | iproute2 is the 'ip' command |
| 05:39.01 | MohammadAG51 | oh, then yeah, it's not the same |
| 05:39.45 | WormFood | I installed my N800 OS to my flash (sd) card, and I didn't have to make any partitions, like all the instructions tell you to do....but, i'm not able to activate a swap file through the GUI (should be able to it on the command line) |
| 05:40.05 | jaem | Oh hai, WormFood |
| 05:40.18 | WormFood | hi jaem |
| 05:40.23 | luke-jr | I don't get why Maemo 5 still uses all the obsolete *nix tools |
| 05:40.28 | luke-jr | ifconfig, route, apt, etc |
| 05:40.28 | jaem | Doesn't the GUI make a swapfile, rather than a partition? |
| 05:40.35 | MohammadAG51 | hey, it's maemo! |
| 05:40.39 | luke-jr | lol |
| 05:40.41 | WormFood | it does not make a partition, it uses a swap file |
| 05:40.45 | MohammadAG51 | apt isn't obsolete |
| 05:40.58 | WormFood | but either way, it won't do it with the way I installed it. |
| 05:41.08 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: has been in Debian for years at least |
| 05:41.13 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: aptitude has replaced it |
| 05:41.21 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, i compiled aptitude |
| 05:41.25 | jaem | WormFood, that's what I was asking. I'm not sure about the N800, but IIRC the N810 stores the swap file on one of the cards (internal) |
| 05:41.33 | MohammadAG51 | but it's kinda borked (libcwidget is actually) |
| 05:41.41 | jaem | Could it be that your setup is just confusing it? -shrug- |
| 05:41.43 | luke-jr | jaem: N810 doesn't have swap by default at all |
| 05:41.53 | jaem | luke-jr, I know, but you can create one automagically |
| 05:42.05 | jaem | in the settings dialog that WormFood was talking about. |
| 05:42.14 | luke-jr | o rly? |
| 05:42.32 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 05:42.38 | luke-jr | I just finished moving my N900 swap to MicroSD |
| 05:42.39 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, imho, aptitude isn't all that great |
| 05:42.44 | MohammadAG51 | it's a bit confusing tbh |
| 05:42.45 | luke-jr | which is faster, and replacable |
| 05:43.02 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: aptitude uses all the same commands as apt, except you don't have to guess at which apt-* prefix to use |
| 05:43.21 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, oh, only tried the UI part of it |
| 05:43.36 | luke-jr | oh top of that, aptitude tracks dependencies correctly |
| 05:43.40 | luke-jr | when removing packages |
| 05:44.04 | Termana | on top* |
| 05:44.09 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, then install it :) |
| 05:44.17 | MohammadAG51 | it works, the UI is what's broken |
| 05:44.23 | MohammadAG51 | package name is aptitude |
| 05:45.00 | jaem | luke-jr, which class is your card? |
| 05:45.14 | jaem | And are there specs for the eMMC posted somewhere? |
| 05:45.17 | luke-jr | jaem: dunno |
| 05:45.22 | luke-jr | I used sync; dd; sync to test them |
| 05:45.28 | jaem | Heh, that works, I guess. |
| 05:45.54 | jaem | Class 6 8GB cards were expensive when I bought mine, and I wasn't sure how a Class 4 card would compare. |
| 05:46.26 | luke-jr | well, N900 only has 2 GB card |
| 05:46.36 | luke-jr | I put 1 GB to swap, and 1 GB to /var/tmp/portage |
| 05:46.51 | luke-jr | I figure those are the most often changing parts |
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| 05:50.50 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:51.06 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, devel enabled? |
| 05:51.10 | luke-jr | wtf? :) |
| 05:51.41 | MohammadAG51 | LOL what?! Reinstallation of aptitude is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 05:51.51 | luke-jr | fail |
| 05:52.01 | MohammadAG51 | not really |
| 05:52.06 | MohammadAG51 | someone took it down |
| 05:52.11 | luke-jr | someone complained it didn't work, so removed it? |
| 05:52.13 | luke-jr | :p |
| 05:52.30 | MohammadAG51 | -devel doesn't work that way |
| 05:52.55 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, lol http://maemo.org/packages/view/aptitude/ |
| 05:53.01 | luke-jr | ? |
| 05:53.05 | luke-jr | too lazy to open browser |
| 05:53.25 | MohammadAG51 | it's there |
| 05:53.31 | luke-jr | o |
| 05:53.55 | MohammadAG51 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.4.11.11-1maemo3_armel.deb |
| 05:54.05 | MohammadAG51 | need to ping X-Fade about this |
| 05:55.44 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: any way to actually install from a .deb with apt? |
| 05:55.55 | MohammadAG51 | not that I know of |
| 05:55.58 | MohammadAG51 | dpkg -i it |
| 05:56.05 | MohammadAG51 | then apt-get -f install |
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| 06:06.07 | Macer | luke-jr: putting gentoo on the n900? :) |
| 06:06.11 | Macer | let me know how that works out |
| 06:06.13 | Macer | heh |
| 06:06.29 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: wtf? |
| 06:06.45 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, what? |
| 06:06.56 | luke-jr | dpkg -i obviously says deps not met |
| 06:07.10 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get -f install after it |
| 06:07.16 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:07.23 | MohammadAG51 | apt newbie |
| 06:07.26 | luke-jr | dpkg -i obviously says deps not met |
| 06:07.31 | MohammadAG51 | ok, so? |
| 06:07.37 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get -f install |
| 06:07.38 | luke-jr | so why run it at all |
| 06:07.44 | MohammadAG51 | to solve deps... |
| 06:07.45 | MohammadAG51 | duh |
| 06:07.46 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:07.47 | luke-jr | o |
| 06:07.53 | luke-jr | dpkg installs even after saying no deps? |
| 06:07.56 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, n00b!!! |
| 06:07.58 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 06:08.10 | luke-jr | i c |
| 06:08.11 | MohammadAG51 | it stops installation @ postinst file |
| 06:08.24 | MohammadAG51 | unpacking is actually done |
| 06:08.39 | MohammadAG51 | so you have aptitude now, but it might not work |
| 06:08.41 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:09.02 | MohammadAG51 | sec... |
| 06:09.54 | MohammadAG51 | wtf http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/cwidget/libcwidget3_0.5.13-1maemo1_armel.deb |
| 06:10.53 | MohammadAG51 | why is it broken like this |
| 06:11.00 | luke-jr | cuz I don't have extras-devel |
| 06:11.40 | MohammadAG51 | *facepalm* |
| 06:18.06 | MohammadAG51 | oh tower bloxx is on the store |
| 06:19.20 | dr34m | hm i think my battery died. phone wont charge nor start. orange lamp is only lit when i connect the charger.. anybody had that before ? |
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| 06:21.09 | kerio | dr34m: wait until the led stops being orange |
| 06:21.12 | kerio | it's the failsafe charging mode |
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| 06:26.34 | Macer | heh. |
| 06:26.40 | Macer | so has android gotten on the n900 yet? |
| 06:26.52 | pupnik_ | yes, no. buckets and lollipops. |
| 06:28.00 | Macer | http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/nokia-n900-running-android-2-1/ |
| 06:28.23 | MohammadAG51 | 2.1? meh |
| 06:28.27 | MohammadAG51 | it runs 2.2 |
| 06:28.33 | MohammadAG51 | #nitdroid |
| 06:28.40 | Macer | awesome thanks |
| 06:28.57 | arachnist | but phonet still isn't supported, right? |
| 06:29.21 | MohammadAG51 | nope, they got data (3G) for 30 minutes |
| 06:34.49 | luke-jr | what is trackerd? |
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| 06:35.04 | ShadowJK | It indexes your files |
| 06:35.07 | luke-jr | lame |
| 06:35.11 | ShadowJK | thumbnails your pictures |
| 06:36.23 | luke-jr | so just how bad is this "one network connection" limitation? |
| 06:36.33 | luke-jr | can I do 3G + USBnet? |
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| 06:39.21 | Macer | one network connection limitation? |
| 06:39.28 | Macer | i just stopped wifi tethering |
| 06:39.36 | luke-jr | Macer: I asked earlier about doing wifi + 3G at the same time... |
| 06:39.50 | Macer | isnt that more than 1 networ? |
| 06:39.52 | Termana | arachnist, not totally yet |
| 06:39.58 | luke-jr | Macer: I was told it isn't possible |
| 06:40.08 | Appiah | it's possible , just not by the gui's in maemo |
| 06:40.17 | luke-jr | GAN900 said it was a kernel limitation |
| 06:40.18 | Appiah | (thats one I been told) |
| 06:40.32 | Termana | arachnist, getting signal indications. No Data/Calls yet though. |
| 06:40.34 | Macer | luke-jr: then install a new kernel |
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| 06:40.38 | Macer | :) |
| 06:40.43 | luke-jr | -.- |
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| 06:40.47 | Macer | isnt there an advanced kernel on the repos? |
| 06:40.54 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 06:41.04 | luke-jr | and I've heard rumours of kernels that automatically overclock |
| 06:41.07 | Termana | Macer, its more to do with the kernel version rather than Nokia's specific build - AFAIK |
| 06:41.07 | luke-jr | which I dont' want to risk doing |
| 06:41.14 | Macer | oc your n900 to 1GHz |
| 06:41.27 | Termana | Kill your n900, slowly |
| 06:41.28 | Macer | haha |
| 06:41.38 | Macer | the one on the repo doesnt automatically do it |
| 06:42.00 | Macer | you have to do it manually and save it if you want to keep running it like that |
| 06:42.13 | Macer | Termana: it will be obsolete in a year or so anyways |
| 06:42.48 | Termana | Are you kidding? Its probably "obsolete" now |
| 06:43.29 | ShadowJK | There's nothing to replace it :( |
| 06:43.50 | ShadowJK | (that doesn't require months of hacking) |
| 06:45.49 | Termana | ShadowJK, you can not like cars and roam the streets on horses, but that doesn't mean that form of transportation isn't obsolete. |
| 06:46.26 | Macer | yeah. nitdroid isnt worth it |
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| 06:47.37 | ShadowJK | termana: sure but I can stick with my present car that has round wheels and a steering wheel |
| 06:48.01 | ShadowJK | as everything else has hexagonal wheels and and a big lever instead of steering wheel :( |
| 06:48.24 | jaem | ShadowJK, isn't the round wheel patented, though? :P |
| 06:48.29 | Macer | whats wrong with a hexagonal steering wheel? |
| 06:49.28 | ShadowJK | no the wheels |
| 06:49.35 | Macer | the n900 has a lot of kick to it left |
| 06:49.46 | Termana | I hate to break it to everyone, but the general consumer market has obsoleted most things the n900 has. QWERTY keyboards are mostly gone, resistive screens are the past, capacitive is "in". Hell, even Nokia is going this direction. |
| 06:49.47 | Macer | i just got rid og my g1 today |
| 06:49.49 | Macer | of |
| 06:50.09 | Macer | Termana: the qwerty is a matter of choice |
| 06:50.09 | jaem | Termana, changed direction != obseleted. |
| 06:50.20 | Macer | i will never get a phone without one |
| 06:50.24 | jaem | Termana, the touch panel is also a matter of choice |
| 06:50.32 | Macer | i HATE on screen kbs |
| 06:50.45 | Termana | jaem, what major manufacture is still producing phones with resistive touch? |
| 06:50.51 | Termana | Nokia is the only one I can think of ATM |
| 06:50.55 | jaem | Termana, that wasn't my point. |
| 06:50.55 | lcukn900 | portrait n900 needs vkb |
| 06:51.09 | jaem | My point was that it isn't an inferior technology merely because few products use it. |
| 06:51.14 | Macer | n900 needs portrait first :-P |
| 06:51.15 | jaem | At least, not necessarily. |
| 06:51.17 | ShadowJK | any new device would absolutely have to have qwerty, and if it was capacitive it would have to quadruple hw specs before I considered giving up resistive :) |
| 06:51.19 | lcukn900 | even with real one there are usecases for not having one as well |
| 06:51.29 | Termana | jaem, if there is no choice, then it isn't a matter of choice is it - because you have none |
| 06:51.36 | Macer | opera has a nice vkb on the n900 |
| 06:51.44 | jaem | glares at Termana |
| 06:51.50 | ShadowJK | My sister bought a samsung with resistive touchscreen last month btw |
| 06:51.52 | lcukn900 | yeah macer |
| 06:52.05 | ShadowJK | not that it makes a difference on that particular phone :) |
| 06:52.34 | Macer | haha |
| 06:52.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | c-ts is the solution for poorly designed r-ts |
| 06:52.42 | jaem | Termana, They both have strengths and weaknesses. I prefer one over the other - therefore if I can't get a phone with the one I like, I'm disappointed. That's really all there is to it. I'm not trying to pick a fight. |
| 06:52.55 | Macer | all that i know is that i will never own a phone without a hw qwerty ever again |
| 06:53.08 | lcukn900 | likes sliding on baconfat - on capacitive touch liqbase is niiiiice but i cant write notes |
| 06:53.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | in fact c-ts is inferior to r-ts in almost all aspects |
| 06:53.14 | Macer | EVER |
| 06:53.18 | jaem | lcukn900, good point. |
| 06:53.20 | Termana | jaem, who said anything about fighting? I'm just having a mutual discussion. And I think your assuming *I* like capacitive over resistive. |
| 06:53.22 | luke-jr | Macer: QWERTY is useless for phones |
| 06:53.34 | Macer | luke-jr: works fine for me :) |
| 06:53.39 | arachnist | but phones are not just phones anymore |
| 06:53.45 | jaem | Termana, sorry, you just came across a bit forceful. No offense meant. ;) |
| 06:53.54 | luke-jr | Macer: there is no need to ever type letters on a phone |
| 06:54.03 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't feel much of a loss if N900 didn't do voice calls ;) |
| 06:54.04 | lcukn900 | txtmsg |
| 06:54.10 | Macer | is this sarcasm? ;) |
| 06:54.11 | jaem | luke-jr, How do you recompile your kernel without letters? |
| 06:54.12 | luke-jr | lcukn900: then it's not a phone :) |
| 06:54.12 | Termana | jaem, sorry don't mean to seem forceful :) |
| 06:54.15 | Macer | no typing! |
| 06:54.15 | arachnist | luke-jr: xterm + ssh + irssi on my N900 happen to disagree |
| 06:54.17 | arachnist | :> |
| 06:54.22 | luke-jr | arachnist: N900 isn't a phone |
| 06:54.38 | jaem | luke-jr, it "has a" phone... |
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| 06:54.38 | lcukn900 | luke-jr stop being a git. telephones should have wires and circle dialer |
| 06:54.46 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 06:54.55 | Macer | lcukn900: agreed |
| 06:54.56 | ShadowJK | phone feature can be made very simple: you just need one button, "Hang up". Saves your time, too :) |
| 06:55.06 | luke-jr | jaem: sure, but I don't see QWERTY in the phone app :D |
| 06:55.14 | jaem | lcukn900, what you're looking for is this, then: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=286 |
| 06:55.24 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: seriously, I recently saw a phone with nothing but digits and maybe a hangup button |
| 06:55.38 | luke-jr | and I think a LED display for caller id |
| 06:55.42 | luke-jr | and yes, it was a cell phone |
| 06:55.45 | lcukn900 | jaem i am in the middle of nowhere with analog 1g phone reception |
| 06:55.46 | luke-jr | not even volume controls tho |
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| 06:55.59 | luke-jr | 1G supports data? |
| 06:56.02 | Macer | luke-jr: there are letters on the numbers |
| 06:56.02 | Macer | :) |
| 06:56.03 | lcukn900 | i aint opening weblinks |
| 06:56.06 | lcukn900 | lol |
| 06:56.12 | lcukn900 | its almost smoke signals |
| 06:56.23 | lcukn900 | lag is measured in days |
| 06:56.24 | yigal | anyone dig into using cell writer on n900? |
| 06:56.26 | luke-jr | what was pre-1G called? :P |
| 06:56.28 | luke-jr | besides "analog" |
| 06:56.30 | arachnist | except that smoke signals are more reliable |
| 06:56.31 | lcukn900 | yes yigal |
| 06:56.38 | yigal | how is it going? |
| 06:56.41 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, it wasn't standardized |
| 06:56.46 | lcukn900 | yigal search |
| 06:56.46 | jaem | lcukn900, Ah. The link was to a hobbyist electronics company that sells real classic glossy red/black rotary telephones, retrofitted with battery+cell. |
| 06:56.54 | jaem | They still use the original dialer and ringer. :P |
| 06:56.55 | lcukn900 | lolcool |
| 06:56.55 | ShadowJK | but .fi has ARP and then NMT |
| 06:56.55 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: neither were 2G or 3G |
| 06:57.01 | ShadowJK | had* |
| 06:57.04 | yigal | lcukn900: I have, I've looked at several youtube videos with it in action |
| 06:57.16 | lcukn900 | then install it and see |
| 06:57.21 | lcukn900 | for yourself |
| 06:57.31 | yigal | I feel that |
| 06:57.36 | yigal | :D |
| 06:58.09 | lcukn900 | i have a grand total of 4 batteries with me |
| 06:58.17 | yigal | jeez |
| 06:58.26 | lcukn900 | no power anywhere |
| 06:58.28 | yigal | I should get at least another one |
| 06:58.33 | MohammadAG51 | 3 here |
| 06:58.36 | yigal | really |
| 06:58.39 | yigal | wow |
| 06:58.40 | lcukn900 | i have 2 n900s tho |
| 06:58.45 | MohammadAG51 | 1 |
| 06:58.46 | yigal | wow! |
| 06:58.47 | MohammadAG51 | xD |
| 06:58.55 | Macer | what else is using omap? |
| 06:58.56 | jaem | lcukn900, lol. Yeah, I was doing that for a while too. |
| 06:58.57 | luke-jr | was surprised to find his mother-in-law's laptop couldn't charge his N900 when he visited... |
| 06:58.58 | ShadowJK | has the original battery, and 2400mAh mugen battery :D |
| 06:59.09 | jaem | "aw snap, my battery's dead. Oh well... pull out the other one." |
| 06:59.10 | luke-jr | luckily I had my netbook in the car, which charges it fine... |
| 06:59.12 | lcukn900 | jaem doing what? |
| 06:59.13 | MohammadAG51 | Ffs |
| 06:59.16 | MohammadAG51 | FFS* |
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| 06:59.22 | jaem | lcukn900, carrying backup N900s |
| 06:59.42 | kerio | ShadowJK: did you buy a usb dongle to do the hotswap? |
| 06:59.50 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, windows usb drivers are a bit fucked, they often decline request for power for no reason |
| 06:59.57 | jaem | Sadly I have less to play with these days. I do have a 5800XM, but I haven't had time to work with it much. |
| 06:59.59 | ShadowJK | kerio, no |
| 06:59.59 | lcukn900 | lol jaem they arent backups like that |
| 07:00.01 | Macer | jaem: you never know when you need to use 2 death rays |
| 07:00.04 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I didn't install any drivers. |
| 07:00.08 | ShadowJK | kerio, and where can you buy that |
| 07:00.13 | lcukn900 | im testing adhoc stuff later |
| 07:00.13 | jaem | Macer, O_o |
| 07:00.13 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: USB doesn't provide power otherwise? |
| 07:00.18 | lcukn900 | we are going in caves |
| 07:00.19 | jaem | Macer, is that in -devel? |
| 07:00.20 | Macer | things get hairy at debconf |
| 07:00.24 | lcukn900 | no cloud |
| 07:00.36 | jaem | lcukn900, whereabouts are you? |
| 07:00.37 | Macer | jaem: no. easter egg |
| 07:00.53 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, the N900 requests 500mA from the windows usb stack, windows usb stack says NO |
| 07:00.53 | jaem | Macer, Aren't there liability concerns? |
| 07:00.54 | Macer | jaem: no. easter egg |
| 07:00.59 | Macer | go to pkg manager and add death ray as a repo then cancel |
| 07:01.13 | Macer | jaem: they added a disclaimer |
| 07:01.14 | yigal | feel that |
| 07:01.17 | kerio | Macer: or just apt-get lasercow |
| 07:01.32 | ShadowJK | Linux USB stack has more of a "Yeah fine, whatever" to power management :) |
| 07:01.34 | yigal | apt-get install starwars |
| 07:01.35 | lcukn900 | jaem lake district. north england |
| 07:01.40 | Macer | kerio: sure. take the easy apt route |
| 07:02.09 | yigal | apt-get install hbomb |
| 07:02.31 | kerio | yigal: i'm thinking about a way to do that |
| 07:02.33 | Macer | yigal: they took that off the repos |
| 07:02.51 | Macer | said phones that have it are Nphones of concern" |
| 07:02.53 | yigal | I thought it was in devel |
| 07:02.56 | kerio | so far it's overpower the battery, overclock the cpu, start flashing the led and put loud white noise on the speakers |
| 07:03.08 | ian_r | morning all |
| 07:03.20 | Macer | kerio: that would be awesome |
| 07:03.20 | kerio | no explosions though :( |
| 07:03.22 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:03.42 | yigal | owell, at least I don't need to reflash the n900 |
| 07:03.44 | jaem | Jaffa, Happy Weekend! |
| 07:03.58 | Jaffa | jaem: You too! |
| 07:04.25 | Macer | kerio: ever break into a friends car and turn the radio on full blast and the blinkers and the window wipers then turn it off and wait for the fun? |
| 07:05.21 | kerio | Macer: oh god are you watching me |
| 07:05.30 | Macer | :) |
| 07:05.31 | kerio | GET OUT OF MY HEAD |
| 07:05.51 | Macer | the app to do that remotely is on devel too |
| 07:06.06 | Macer | just stay away from the exploding gas tank option |
| 07:07.11 | yigal | ough "Who Am I" by "Snoop Dogg" on "The Very Best Of Deathrow (Explicit)" |
| 07:07.14 | lcukn900 | n900@works when wet. screen is watery rained on |
| 07:07.19 | *** part/#maemo slyfox (~slyfox@gentoo/developer/slyfox) |
| 07:07.21 | Macer | well. i guess i have to wait for tomorrows zimbra daily report to see if my constructive iptables rules have managed to block all of hinet.net |
| 07:07.49 | Macer | lcukn900: yeah.. but does it work submerged? |
| 07:07.56 | Macer | i think not |
| 07:07.56 | lcukn900 | no! |
| 07:08.19 | MohammadAG51 | damn compressing shit takes time |
| 07:08.26 | Macer | real phones work underwater |
| 07:08.45 | MohammadAG51 | what's an imx51? |
| 07:08.50 | lcukn900 | no they dont old ones have paper speakers etc |
| 07:08.56 | MohammadAG51 | beagleboard? |
| 07:09.12 | RST38h | Mooo, punks |
| 07:09.22 | lcukn900 | yo rst |
| 07:09.35 | RST38h | lcuk: How is suffering this weekend? =) |
| 07:10.06 | MohammadAG51 | --exclude in tar is borked lol |
| 07:10.06 | lcukn900 | suffering what |
| 07:10.22 | RST38h | life! |
| 07:10.54 | lcukn900 | im sat in cold damp rain cos my tent leaked and its dryer in the rain sat up than laywn |
| 07:11.22 | RST38h | Shit, that is not suffering |
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| 07:11.48 | RST38h | It is +30oC here with no rain and nowhere to run |
| 07:12.04 | lcukn900 | ahhh bad |
| 07:12.10 | lcukn900 | swap? |
| 07:12.17 | RST38h | Yea, any time |
| 07:12.27 | lcukn900 | heh |
| 07:12.33 | RST38h | (at least as long as you have got cold rain there) |
| 07:12.38 | lcukn900 | you have extreme winters |
| 07:12.52 | RST38h | Not really |
| 07:13.01 | RST38h | 2 weeks a -30 is not extreme |
| 07:13.23 | RST38h | And it is -5..-15 for the rest of the winter |
| 07:13.44 | lcukn900 | sure its the 49 weeks at -29 that get ya. summer is one week of +30 |
| 07:13.55 | mneptok | pffft .... 30C is not hot. and define "no rain." |
| 07:14.04 | ian_r | lcukn900, i saw your conversation with GA about maemo theming bugs in the logs the other day, and you were asking why bugs weren't filed long ago. in fact they were. check out maemo bug 3659, for example. |
| 07:14.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3659 Changing icon theme requires reboot to be applied correctly |
| 07:14.12 | jaem | mneptok, #define NO_RAIN |
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| 07:14.25 | jaem | mneptok, happy? |
| 07:14.28 | RST38h | lcuk: Summers are pretty regular here |
| 07:14.35 | lcukn900 | ian_r thanks for digging. i cannot see web stuff now |
| 07:14.42 | mneptok | jaem: no, what's that underscore? escape the space like i asked. ;) |
| 07:14.54 | jaem | mneptok, -grin- |
| 07:15.01 | lcukn900 | but can you mail link to liquid@gmail please |
| 07:15.08 | RST38h | moo, slonopotamus |
| 07:15.15 | lcukn900 | ill check when i get back |
| 07:16.18 | ian_r | heh np lcukn900. i didn't actually have to dig for it cause i just had it reopened yesterday :/ |
| 07:16.21 | jaem | Is Remote Debugging from QtCreator to the N900 borked, or am I just Doing it Wrong? |
| 07:16.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: relgular summer every year? ;-P |
| 07:17.03 | RST38h | Doc: yeah more or less |
| 07:17.09 | slonopotamus | RST38h: morn |
| 07:17.15 | lcukn900 | ian_r good for you, thanks i think |
| 07:17.24 | RST38h | jaem: <AVOID> |
| 07:17.34 | lcukn900 | if its a problem it needs sorting :p |
| 07:17.47 | jaem | RST38h, Is there any sane way to debug programs, then, short of GDB on-device in the terminal? |
| 07:18.05 | lcukn900 | gdb on device is fine |
| 07:18.06 | RST38h | jaem: printf()s to the ssh session |
| 07:18.19 | jaem | RST38h, yes, but I meant interactive debugging. |
| 07:18.21 | RST38h | lcuk is right, gdb on device is ok, if you can stand gdb |
| 07:18.22 | lcukn900 | has many many printfs |
| 07:18.25 | RST38h | jaem: No. |
| 07:18.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | anybody ever used kgdb? |
| 07:18.39 | RST38h | tried, still sucks |
| 07:18.45 | jaem | DocScrutinizer51, I read that as kgb... |
| 07:19.05 | RST38h | Doc: There is also Nemiver |
| 07:19.12 | jaem | lcukn900, RST38h, The problem is that I need interactive debugging, and I need the controls/log on a separate screen. |
| 07:19.18 | RST38h | Doc: I used it a few times, seems to be the most comfortable of gdb shells |
| 07:19.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | err kdbg? |
| 07:19.29 | lcukn900 | jaem ssh |
| 07:19.34 | lcukn900 | ? |
| 07:19.41 | jaem | lcukn900, yeah, I was hoping to avoid that... |
| 07:19.45 | RST38h | jaem: I also need a few things. Does not mean I am gonna get them. |
| 07:19.47 | lcukn900 | ok |
| 07:19.52 | jaem | RST38h, exactly |
| 07:20.01 | ShadowJK | jaem: gdb on device, displayed on a 26" monitor attached to your pc, using ssh |
| 07:20.01 | jaem | RST38h, I wasn't complaining, just clarifying |
| 07:20.19 | yigal | :D"Harlem Streets" by "Immortal Technique" on "Revolutionary Vol.2 (Explicit)" |
| 07:20.33 | jaem | ShadowJK, Yes, I will probably have to, but I was hoping to not have to deal with GDB in the command line. |
| 07:20.34 | jaem | Ah well |
| 07:20.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: how to debug kernel on arm? |
| 07:20.37 | RST38h | jaem: Try Nemiver |
| 07:20.50 | RST38h | jaem: It appears to allow connections to remote targets |
| 07:20.51 | lcukn900 | i want a cig. i can see them but i cant get em |
| 07:20.52 | ShadowJK | lots of printf |
| 07:20.54 | jaem | Sorry, though, are you all saying that debugging in Creator /is/ broken, or just suggesting alternatives? |
| 07:21.01 | RST38h | Doc: kprintf()? :) |
| 07:21.06 | lcukn900 | goes grabbing keys |
| 07:21.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: yeah. hate that |
| 07:21.13 | yigal | printf? |
| 07:21.21 | RST38h | jaem: We are all saying that debugging with gdb is pain |
| 07:21.23 | lcukn900 | jaem wasnt thinking qt |
| 07:21.29 | jaem | Yeah, I got that, thanks. -_- |
| 07:21.32 | RST38h | jaem: And there is no other debugging for n900 |
| 07:21.42 | jaem | Alrighty, then. |
| 07:21.50 | RST38h | jaem: So, if you can find a decent gdb shell for your desktop and connect it to the n900, you should be ok |
| 07:21.54 | lcukn900 | mm |
| 07:21.56 | jaem | Okay, great. |
| 07:22.04 | RST38h | jaem: So far, Nemiver looks like the least painful gdb shell |
| 07:22.11 | RST38h | But your mileage may vary |
| 07:22.13 | lcukn900 | what does qt sdk use for debugging |
| 07:22.32 | jaem | lcukn900, it has options to remotely debug using gdb on the phone, I believe. |
| 07:22.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | err, segv? |
| 07:22.41 | RST38h | lcuk: Same gdb, just with some crap on top |
| 07:22.41 | jaem | In some fashion... I'm not familiar with GDB much yet. |
| 07:23.23 | lcukn900 | ok cool |
| 07:23.35 | jaem | lcukn900, problem is, it doesn't seem to work for me. I've heard rumblings from a while back that it doesn't work at all, but I don't know if that is/was true, or if I am just missing something. |
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| 07:23.40 | jaem | Hence my original question. |
| 07:24.00 | RST38h | remote debugging is difficult to set up |
| 07:24.12 | RST38h | so, for people who couldn't do it, it does not work. |
| 07:24.19 | RST38h | at all, yes :) |
| 07:24.26 | lcukn900 | strangely windows mobile had it |
| 07:24.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | but cool when it works |
| 07:24.43 | lcukn900 | does iphone or android do it |
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| 07:24.47 | RST38h | lcuk: WinMo has special facilities in the Visual Studio |
| 07:25.10 | lcukn900 | yes |
| 07:25.16 | RST38h | lcuk: Microsoft took care that debugging WinMo apps feels about the same in Visual Studio |
| 07:25.30 | jaem | Sigh... sorry, but at this time of night, I'm just getting confused. Could one person answer my original question with no cynicism or veiled humour, please? >_< |
| 07:25.42 | jaem | (y/n): |
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| 07:25.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | muses about a userland kernel to debug that one friggin driver |
| 07:26.02 | RST38h | NO. Go sleep now. |
| 07:26.24 | jaem | RST38h, okay, thanks. Don't mind me - I've just had a long day. :) |
| 07:27.09 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, which driver? |
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| 07:27.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: guess! ;-) |
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| 07:29.28 | ShadowJK | I can't think of anything sensible you'd be doing in kernel :) |
| 07:29.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: starts with M like mentorgrafix |
| 07:29.35 | ShadowJK | oh, usb |
| 07:30.00 | ShadowJK | had entirely forgotten usb host :-) |
| 07:30.17 | RST38h | usb can be done in userland, can't it? |
| 07:30.43 | ShadowJK | not this |
| 07:31.45 | ShadowJK | The usb stack has interface for userland to talk with usb devices, but that of course depends on functioning kernelside drivers |
| 07:32.30 | ShadowJK | And re hostmode, talking to usb devices isn't the issue, talking to the usb controller and convincing it to do things |
| 07:32.31 | Izzeh | anyone know how to fix TV out not working? |
| 07:32.49 | Izzeh | had it going 3 days ago... and just getting black screen with sound on 4 different TVs and 2 different cables |
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| 07:33.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | rtfm |
| 07:33.32 | lcukn900 | :( tv out |
| 07:33.54 | ShadowJK | maybe it broke |
| 07:33.57 | lcukn900 | 2 devices and both failed. bah |
| 07:34.15 | lcukn900 | then they work on all different times |
| 07:34.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | works like a charm here |
| 07:35.03 | lcukn900 | does for me now |
| 07:35.39 | lcukn900 | bbl |
| 07:35.45 | Izzeh | bah many others have posted same issue.. but only response that some have given was "hit it" x.x |
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| 07:36.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | just audio is WAY too low |
| 07:37.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | Izzeh: there are some notes about sequence how to connect it, in maual. That's why I said RTFM |
| 07:37.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a diff if you first plug to TV or first to N900 |
| 07:38.44 | Izzeh | tried both ways.. on 4 different TVs |
| 07:38.56 | Izzeh | one I bought a week a go and a 23 year old 100kg job |
| 07:38.59 | Izzeh | =/ |
| 07:38.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess when you got a crapy TV you first need to plug cable to N900 |
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| 07:40.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course you need correct PAL/NTSC setting on N900. And correct input selection for TV |
| 07:42.16 | Izzeh | got that |
| 07:42.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | and you need to use correct plugs on TV ;-) |
| 07:42.29 | Izzeh | it was working 3 days ago, not to mention I've been doing it for 6 months now |
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| 07:43.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | so it brole all of a sudden from a known good setup? |
| 07:43.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | broke |
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| 07:43.12 | Izzeh | yep |
| 07:43.15 | Izzeh | I reflashed since then |
| 07:43.17 | Izzeh | lol =/ |
| 07:43.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | hw-defect |
| 07:43.33 | Izzeh | yeah I'm not so quick to jump at that |
| 07:43.41 | Izzeh | given several others that have experienced it have had it work later |
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| 07:44.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | check headset microphone and button work ok |
| 07:44.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | same contacts on AV |
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| 07:45.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | AV receptacle is known to have contact issues occasionally |
| 07:45.31 | Izzeh | recognizes headset |
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| 07:45.46 | Izzeh | I can't recall.. does it have an icon in status bar with tv out? (even the headphone one?) |
| 07:45.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | mic operation? |
| 07:45.49 | dr34m | kerio: still there? i waited now for about an hour or smth and the orange light went off.. phone wont start still tho damnit looks like dead :( |
| 07:46.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | none |
| 07:46.19 | RST38h | Anyone else noticed that the green device-charged light overrides whatever email/im notifications you have got? |
| 07:46.40 | RST38h | so, when the device is plugged into the charger, you cannot see notifications? |
| 07:47.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: check prio of patterns in mce.ini |
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| 07:48.11 | Izzeh | alright yeah.. mic is working |
| 07:48.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | got no notification so can't check now.and I usually keep device on when on charger |
| 07:48.32 | Izzeh | I actually have it in my head that this has happened before.. and solved itself.. but I can't be certain |
| 07:50.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | Izzeh: double check you plugged the yellow RCA jack to video in on TV |
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| 07:52.01 | Izzeh | lol I did.. several times |
| 07:52.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | Izzeh: reboot. some fb daemon or video hw might've gone apeshit |
| 07:52.14 | Izzeh | all 4 TVs detect it.. but it only shows black screen |
| 07:52.18 | Izzeh | done it :'( |
| 07:52.23 | Izzeh | and pulled battery for 5 mins |
| 07:52.28 | Izzeh | and blew in the hole |
| 07:52.30 | Izzeh | and hit it |
| 07:52.31 | Izzeh | =x |
| 07:52.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | hw-defect |
| 07:54.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know there's some kinky problems with the FPC connector that runs to screen (yes!) so TV out breaks |
| 07:54.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | had that. though mine had both screen AND TV out broken / garbled / gray |
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| 07:55.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | somehow LVD-output to LCD is connected to TV out |
| 07:55.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Izzeh: try opening/closing slider |
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| 08:02.58 | Izzeh | alright she ain't working |
| 08:03.07 | Izzeh | I'll leave it a few days and hope it fixes itself |
| 08:03.08 | Izzeh | :P |
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| 08:06.43 | MohammadAG51 | umm |
| 08:06.54 | MohammadAG51 | why is my rootfs read only o_O |
| 08:07.17 | MohammadAG51 | brb, i hope |
| 08:07.43 | arachnist | MohammadAG51: i'd look in dmesg | tail first |
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| 08:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, MohammadAG51 still alive :-D |
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| 08:16.53 | RST38h | Doc: Ok |
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| 08:18.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: ok what? |
| 08:19.40 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, still alive, still alive, still alive, *runs portal* |
| 08:19.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 08:20.26 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, sup? |
| 08:20.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | mount -o remount,rw ? |
| 08:21.02 | MohammadAG51 | oh, lol, rebooted and checked kernel messages, it fsck'd / |
| 08:21.28 | slonopotamus | fskd'd up? :) |
| 08:22.17 | RST38h | Doc: The pattern priorities |
| 08:22.30 | MohammadAG51 | ~fsck |
| 08:22.30 | infobot | No devices specified to be checked! |
| 08:22.36 | MohammadAG51 | o.o |
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| 08:22.38 | MohammadAG51 | ~fsck RST38h |
| 08:22.39 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/RST38h : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 08:22.39 | arachnist | ~fsck /dev/thor/root |
| 08:22.40 | infobot | e2fsck /dev//dev/thor/root : warning! filesystem contains idiots! |
| 08:22.40 | RST38h | Doc: I am checking mce.ini here. It clearly says that chargin/charged patterns have lower priority than messaging stuff |
| 08:22.47 | arachnist | lol |
| 08:22.52 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 08:23.02 | MohammadAG51 | [39721.299407] EXT3-fs warning (device mmcblk1p2): ext3_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous mount: IO failure |
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| 08:23.05 | slonopotamus | ~fsck /dev/sda |
| 08:23.06 | infobot | e2fsck /dev//dev/sda : warning! filesystem contains helpdesk workers! |
| 08:23.08 | RST38h | Doc: Yet, they appear to override messaging patterns |
| 08:23.22 | arachnist | ~fsck sda1 |
| 08:23.23 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/sda1 : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! |
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| 08:27.24 | Macer | haha |
| 08:29.21 | slonopotamus | ~fsck Macer |
| 08:29.22 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/Macer : warning! filesystem contains idiots! |
| 08:29.33 | slonopotamus | infobot: you looped |
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| 08:30.48 | RST38h | So, does the charging/charged LED status overrides messaging notifications for any of you? |
| 08:33.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | got no msg. will check as soon as there's some |
| 08:34.26 | RST38h | Doc: Good test would be to leave the device plugged in for the night and check what light you have got in the morning |
| 08:34.48 | RST38h | Doc: If you have gotten an email or an IM, you should see the blinking blue light |
| 08:34.57 | RST38h | I always see the green light though |
| 08:35.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | I always see the screen :-D |
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| 08:35.32 | RST38h | oh you have it always on when charging? |
| 08:38.11 | Arkenoi | fbreader + rotatedaemon -> instant reboot |
| 08:38.23 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Blame rotatedaemon. |
| 08:38.33 | MohammadAG51 | doesn't fbreader have rotation support? |
| 08:38.39 | RST38h | Yes, internally |
| 08:38.44 | RST38h | Had it since N800 |
| 08:38.56 | MohammadAG51 | then it will obviously fsck it up :P |
| 08:38.59 | Arkenoi | rst38h: actually i'd prefer it to use accelerometer |
| 08:39.01 | MohammadAG51 | first it = rd |
| 08:39.08 | MohammadAG51 | rotatedaemon |
| 08:39.39 | Arkenoi | RST38h, works fine with ctrl-shift-R |
| 08:39.44 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, I would also like quite a few things... |
| 08:40.46 | MohammadAG51 | Arkenoi, rotatedaemon doesn't use ctrl shift R |
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| 08:40.54 | MohammadAG51 | it uses forced rotation (xrandr?) |
| 08:41.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok RST38h |
| 08:41.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll check on 1.2 with dbus pattern cmd |
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| 08:47.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: patternIM overrides green charging indicator here |
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| 08:47.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: dunno for how long |
| 08:48.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | might time out |
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| 08:49.21 | mirf | whoop |
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| 08:51.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | poohf |
| 08:52.11 | RST38h | Doc: Weird, weird stuff |
| 08:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: lemme check mce.ini |
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| 08:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yep,PatternCommunicationIM=30;1;0 should have higer prio (30) than PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0 , and both are infinite duration (0) |
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| 08:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: maybe for some weird reason mce is restarted? |
| 08:58.47 | RST38h | hmm..I dunno |
| 09:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you could rule out by simply changing PatternBatteryFull, e.g by changing g to r - *without* restarting mce. If it happens to get restarted it will read in new pattern def for PatternBatteryFull and show red light instead of green |
| 09:04.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: also make sure whatever app is enabling the blue flashing pattern doesn't intentionally set it back to off after some 30 min or a few hours. dbus-monitor|grep pattern should help to determine |
| 09:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternCommunicationIM still blinking blue nicely here |
| 09:07.16 | RST38h | Doc: thanks =) |
| 09:07.21 | RST38h | makes notes |
| 09:08.00 | RST38h | Doc: I suspect that the phone may repeatedly set BatteryFull pattern when connected to the charger |
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| 09:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | shouldn't matter, but would explain why green is still on after a suspected mce restart |
| 09:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: PatternCommunicationIM=30 should overirde arbitrary number of PatternBatteryFull=40 activations |
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| 09:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: as mentioned above: dbus-monitor --system is your friend |
| 09:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | also there's a log of dsme somewhere, to check if mce seen a restart, iirc |
| 09:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | but also I seem to remember reading something like "deactivate IM LED notification after 60min - msg is no news anymore" - - or maybe I just dreamed that |
| 09:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you got xchat running? or pidgeon? They all share same priority for indicator patterns. So I donno if mce keeps old pattern of same prio on stack and re-establishes it after new pattern with same prio got deactivated |
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| 09:18.41 | RST38h | Doc: so maybe modest and im do deactivate it... |
| 09:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes, maybe |
| 09:18.52 | RST38h | although that rule sounds somewhat stupid |
| 09:19.07 | RST38h | if I have not see the message, then it is news |
| 09:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | not modest - but im |
| 09:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | xchat I know has no way to reset the LED on ... yeah what? get_focus? |
| 09:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | so it did deactivation after some fixed time |
| 09:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | at least that plugin of cehteh(?) worked that way |
| 09:21.03 | RST38h | tries to remember if he still has cehteh's plugin enabled for the led stuff |
| 09:21.27 | RST38h | The bubbles themselves now popup using XChat's standard facilities (they just had to be enabled) |
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| 09:30.27 | alterego | Off topic, but does anyone know if irssi can tell me what the last person said when they used my nick? |
| 09:31.17 | Noma | if you haven't talked much since then, /lastlog alterego would work |
| 09:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | would be a nice feature for xchat. I planned to implement such function, but alas xchat has no python support ootb ( RST38h *hint* *hint* ) |
| 09:31.52 | alterego | Sweet, that worked thansk :) |
| 09:31.56 | RST38h | alterego: /last <nickname> ? |
| 09:32.32 | RST38h | Doc: See my previous comment about python support (cannot be made optional, once added requires python, current python install for Maemo5 is a clusterfuck) |
| 09:32.47 | alterego | :/ |
| 09:33.07 | alterego | Doesn't it just need linPyton? |
| 09:33.16 | alterego | erm, libPython ... |
| 09:34.35 | alterego | interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10583227.stm |
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| 09:36.10 | alterego | Who the hell are NTP |
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| 09:44.00 | Venemo | hi everyone! |
| 09:44.50 | RST38h | NTP is just some random patent troll |
| 09:45.32 | RST38h | Shows one more time how screwed up current patent laws are |
| 09:46.17 | RST38h | probably cheaper to lobby the patent office to invalidate their patents |
| 09:48.49 | alterego | 300m though .. |
| 09:48.51 | alterego | That's insane. |
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| 09:54.02 | alterego | That's a nice leaving message. |
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| 09:57.09 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
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| 10:01.44 | lbt | who here wants an OBS account? Ideally you'd know what osc is and can prove to me you're trustworthy. Then we can see about getting them beta test accounts if they want to help fix issues (there are plenty) |
| 10:02.48 | MohammadAG51 | MeeGo builder? |
| 10:03.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | blargh |
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| 10:05.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm remeber a nice taiwanese fastfood near location of those OBS servers (or the office managing them)... Good idea :-) |
| 10:05.54 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 10:06.27 | lbt | MohammadAG51: both MeeGo and Maemo |
| 10:11.30 | Macer | damn. this thing is still connected over 3G |
| 10:11.45 | Macer | amazing. usually it would have disconnected by now |
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| 10:31.48 | malcolmci | Hey guys, wanting to reflash my N900 with the latest image. I'm on the download page, do I want "OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11" or "PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1". I'm in Australia, so assuming that means Global is for me. |
| 10:34.48 | malcolmci | Anyone? |
| 10:35.52 | tuxer | malcolmci: PR1.2 |
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| 10:36.07 | malcolmci | Thanks tuxer |
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| 10:55.03 | jophish | jacekowski, D-Iivil_Work, Nokia have told me that I cn only have it repaired in the US because the Warranty is US based :( |
| 10:55.21 | jophish | "send the device to a US contact with the proof of purchase and then have him/her contact our nokia care line for us to proceed with the repair process." |
| 10:57.38 | Stskeeps | downside of 'buying it cheap in US' |
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| 10:57.57 | jophish | Stskeeps, I didn't :( |
| 10:58.01 | jophish | I got it from expansys |
| 10:58.07 | jophish | a UK seller :/ |
| 10:58.17 | Stskeeps | mm |
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| 11:05.23 | RST38h | wazzzd |
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| 11:08.27 | D-Iivil | Hola! |
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| 11:13.08 | jacekowski | jophish: go there again |
| 11:13.54 | jophish | jacekowski, I'd really like to just send it of. it takes me about an hour to get to the store |
| 11:13.57 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 11:14.02 | jacekowski | nevermind |
| 11:14.12 | jacekowski | you don't get international warranty in US |
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| 11:14.21 | nidO | jophish, send it back to expansys and let them deal with it, theyure responsible for getting it sorted for you |
| 11:14.29 | jacekowski | you would get international warranty if you've bought it in the EU |
| 11:14.35 | nidO | if they have to send it to nokia usa because they sold you an import, thats their problem |
| 11:14.41 | Stskeeps | or at least EU |
| 11:14.54 | jophish | The stupid thing is that I did buy it in the EU :) |
| 11:15.12 | Stskeeps | was it .co.uk or .com? |
| 11:15.33 | jacekowski | jophish: but your reseller didn't |
| 11:15.37 | nidO | expansys have lots of stores, their .com site is the uk |
| 11:15.49 | nidO | expansys.com = uk, expansys-usa.com = usa |
| 11:16.04 | jophish | expansys.co.uk redirects to .com, however it is based in the UK |
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| 11:16.27 | Stskeeps | should be able to get it fixed then. |
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| 11:16.35 | malcolmci | Hey guys, running Ubuntu Lucid AMD64. Neither the maemo-flasher-3.5 .deb or .tar.gz can execute on my system, what are my options? |
| 11:16.42 | Corsac | install ia32-libs |
| 11:16.50 | nidO | as I said, send it back to expansys, theyre required to sort it for you regardless of whether it's an import |
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| 11:18.26 | nidO | might also want to ask them why theyre selling you imported stuff, unless it was specifically labelled as such when you bought it |
| 11:18.37 | nidO | as the n900's theyre currently selling are clearly marked as being uk models |
| 11:18.58 | jacekowski | http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/repair-and-recycle/repair-warranty/warranty-verification |
| 11:19.06 | jacekowski | http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/repair/repair/warranty |
| 11:19.07 | jacekowski | use that one |
| 11:19.37 | jophish | nidO, I don't remember it being marked as such |
| 11:20.38 | nidO | check the links jacekowski gave and make sure it actually is a us model, if it is i'd accompany the return of the phone with a complaint |
| 11:21.16 | jacekowski | The European Limited Warranty offers 24-month coverage for new Nokia phones purchased on or after April 1, 2005 within the European Union, Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, and Turkey. |
| 11:21.17 | jophish | Yup, it is within the period on the US site, and doesn't show up on the UK site. |
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| 11:22.10 | nidO | well either way expansys are required to get it sorted for you, you dont have to send it off to nokia, but personally i'd take it back to them and ask them to outright replace it with the uk model they were supposed to give you |
| 11:22.16 | malcolmci | Thanks Corsac, that worked. I love my N900 and all, but you wouldn't think it would be too hard to supply a 64-bit compilation. Welcome to 2010, where a lot of people have >=4 GBs of RAM! |
| 11:22.54 | tybollt | huh? |
| 11:23.01 | tybollt | your n900 har >4GB ram |
| 11:23.07 | tybollt | I am really impressed now |
| 11:23.17 | tybollt | has |
| 11:23.32 | mgedmin | are there any 64-bit ARM platforms? |
| 11:24.00 | nidO | read what he originally asked, guys |
| 11:24.10 | mgedmin | we're just being silly |
| 11:25.03 | jacekowski | malcolmci: you don't need 64bit to use more than 4G of ram |
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| 11:25.33 | mgedmin | (but it helps) |
| 11:25.42 | jacekowski | well, you can use PAE |
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| 11:26.30 | nidO | but then, whats the point of explicitly using a 32bit system then bodge a dodgy method of accessing more memory, when you can just use a perfectly good x64 system |
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| 11:26.56 | xDaReaperx | Hey guys :D yesterday morning my phone had fallen into a small pond of water , and within a day i could get it up and working again :D thanks to the amazing staff here who helped me |
| 11:27.12 | xDaReaperx | i didn't have to wait for another 3 days to let it dry |
| 11:28.27 | malcolmci | jacekowsi: as what nid0 said. that + personally, I don't need the company I paid for my phone telling me, and a large number of the N900 user base, what to run on my computers |
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| 11:51.09 | xDaReaperx | Does OC help increase battery life ? |
| 11:51.47 | Corsac | in the bad way |
| 11:52.15 | xDaReaperx | Bad way like ?> |
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| 11:52.46 | Corsac | like, it'll help decrease battery life |
| 11:53.20 | xDaReaperx | so you've not overclocked your device ? |
| 11:53.52 | xDaReaperx | and incase anything goes wrong you just have to reflash the device right ? and everything returns to normal |
| 11:54.37 | asj_ | depends on your definition of "goes wrong" |
| 11:54.50 | Corsac | xDaReaperx: you're playing with your hardware here |
| 11:55.00 | Corsac | so if something goes wrong, software might not be enough |
| 11:55.11 | smhar | I finally got my N900, and because I had an aging and fault mobile before, I had to manually enter more than 340 contacts manually.. Now, what is the best way to back up them in my computer. where is the contacts database file located? |
| 11:55.32 | Corsac | smhar: run the backup tool |
| 11:55.41 | xDaReaperx | you could just use the backup tool |
| 11:55.51 | asj_ | smhar: use mfe and sync them to google every few hours |
| 11:56.23 | xDaReaperx | Yeah i know we are increasing the volts and stuff , this can mess with the hardware |
| 11:56.36 | Corsac | because we love having our contact list in hand of third party |
| 11:56.54 | smhar | I do not use google contacts, what is mfe? I just want to cp them to a local computer. |
| 11:57.11 | asj_ | smhar: mail for exchange |
| 11:57.58 | smhar | no no. no exchange please. just a normal copy of files. where is the contacts database file located? |
| 11:58.18 | asj_ | smhar: do what the others said for christ sakes |
| 12:00.04 | xDaReaperx | There is a tool given by Maemo itself called the backup tool , you get to backup your contacts , calendar , bookmarks .. and other stuff |
| 12:00.35 | xDaReaperx | and you can also restore it , if you connect your phone using mass storage you can download the backup file via computer |
| 12:01.03 | smhar | ok. backing up, then copying the file to my computer. thanks xDaReaperx |
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| 12:01.13 | xDaReaperx | Yeah no problem |
| 12:01.52 | smhar | how can I tell the version of N900 firmware? |
| 12:02.21 | xDaReaperx | settings > about product |
| 12:02.59 | crashanddie | Corsac: do you use facebook? |
| 12:03.04 | crashanddie | Corsac: or linkedin? |
| 12:03.21 | Corsac | es |
| 12:03.23 | Corsac | yes |
| 12:03.31 | Corsac | the latter only, though I do have an account on the former |
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| 12:03.38 | crashanddie | so, why do you moan at the idea of sharing your contacts with a third party? |
| 12:04.02 | Corsac | crashanddie: I don't mean the contact list I mean the contact details |
| 12:04.37 | Corsac | crashanddie: sharing my contact list (if I want to) is ok, but sharing details of my contacts without their consent is not |
| 12:04.41 | Corsac | imho |
| 12:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:05.03 | crashanddie | you're not sharing those details |
| 12:05.09 | crashanddie | you're just storing them |
| 12:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | you are |
| 12:05.21 | crashanddie | quite frankly, I don't think Google gives a flying fuck about your contact's phone number |
| 12:05.31 | crashanddie | if they tried to sell it, they'd get sued to obliviion |
| 12:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | on facebook at least |
| 12:05.43 | crashanddie | well, facebook |
| 12:05.49 | crashanddie | but I'm against it, completely |
| 12:05.57 | asj_ | facebook can't do mfe, thank god ;) |
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| 12:06.24 | Corsac | crashanddie: I said âthird partyâ, not google |
| 12:06.40 | Corsac | I'm not especially targetting google |
| 12:07.01 | Corsac | (though the quantity of data they have scares me a little) |
| 12:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: no friend of 8.8.8.8 for DNS? ;-P |
| 12:12.19 | Corsac | not really :) |
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| 12:12.40 | Corsac | but I run my own dns for my domain anyway, so he's a cache/resolver too |
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| 12:17.32 | frals | heh, european cheerleading championships in helsinki today |
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| 12:19.46 | Lantizia | hey do your n900's say "Tessar 2.8/5.2" ... "AF 5MP" on the back |
| 12:20.02 | Corsac | yes |
| 12:20.05 | Lantizia | just got a replacement backcover and im sure my old one didnt say that |
| 12:20.13 | Corsac | mine does |
| 12:20.21 | Lantizia | so its not a foreign one or something? |
| 12:20.29 | Corsac | nop |
| 12:21.13 | Lantizia | im in the uk |
| 12:21.14 | Lantizia | the bastards charged me £10 claiming the battery cover isnt in the warranty |
| 12:21.23 | Lantizia | it was the INSIDE of the cover that fell aprt... grrrr |
| 12:22.37 | Lantizia | i really hate the way you put it on and off... feels dodgy like its breakable :S |
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| 12:41.33 | lauri | hey guys, I cant get /usr/share/applications/hildon/blah.desktop work properly |
| 12:41.44 | lauri | The icon appears in the menu |
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| 12:41.51 | lauri | but it wont start the app |
| 12:42.03 | lauri | altought when I run the Exec line manually, it works |
| 12:42.08 | lauri | what could I do? |
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| 12:46.46 | RST38h | Doc: Do you by any chance have any details on how exactly XChat DCC fails? I am going to fix it but too lazy to test for exact symptoms |
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| 12:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | xchat DCC fails? |
| 12:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: no idea about that |
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| 12:53.24 | RST38h | Doc: It succeeds but uploads stuff to some fixed, weird location |
| 12:53.27 | DocScrutinizer | lauri: check terminal and stdin/out settings, environment |
| 12:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ooh, DCC file transfer? |
| 12:53.52 | RST38h | Doc: While I am at it, should we quickly test it? |
| 12:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | never tried to use that |
| 12:54.01 | an0therb0x1 | what the MMS connection under my internet connections ? in the N900 .. I no longer have the fmms app installed.. it is a pain constantly switching to mms and i have to manual switch out to use the internet |
| 12:54.19 | an0therb0x1 | how can i completely remove the MMS internet connection ? |
| 12:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I always get problems with DCC FT as here I got a NAT |
| 12:54.34 | RST38h | oh |
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| 12:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | an0therb0x1: there's 'an app for it' :-D |
| 12:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me for the name |
| 12:56.16 | RST38h | .dcc send RST38bis pullman.zip |
| 12:56.22 | an0therb0x1 | cool |
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| 12:57.46 | an0therb0x | ? |
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| 12:58.22 | MohammadAG | RST38h, s/./// :P |
| 12:58.33 | an0therb0x | an0therb0x1: flash your device that should get rid of the MMS app |
| 12:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | ////// |
| 12:59.29 | RST38h | hmmm |
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| 12:59.31 | RST38h | does not work |
| 12:59.41 | RST38h | Mohammad: Could you dcc send something to RST38bis? |
| 13:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I can try, but see what happens |
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| 13:01.34 | kwtm | Hello. Quick question: |
| 13:02.20 | RST38h | Send to RST38bis not RST38h |
| 13:02.33 | kwtm | Are any of you able to charge your n900 from a USB charger which is NOT also a computer? (e.g. Wall outlet or car outlet adapter in the shape of a USB socket, but no actual computer to connect to the n900?) |
| 13:03.30 | RST38h | Mhm, looks like my NAT is no better than your NAT, Doc |
| 13:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep. 192.169.0.108 looks like no valid addr to reach you |
| 13:04.15 | kwtm | Mine refuses to charge via USB cable unless it's connected to a "real" computer, so I can't charge it in my car (bummer!) |
| 13:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | 168 of course |
| 13:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: short D+/D- |
| 13:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: then it'll work |
| 13:05.02 | kwtm | Oh, you guys trying to send a file to each other? You can try Skype to send files if you're both behind natted walls. |
| 13:05.30 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh, so I should make sure the adapter connects the D+ connection to the D- connect? Hmm... probably doable with a soldering gun... |
| 13:05.44 | kwtm | s/natted walls/NAT'd firewalls/ |
| 13:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: we have zillions of ways to send files. But RST38h wants to check some IRC DCC related issue |
| 13:06.04 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Ah. I'll just shut up here, then. :P |
| 13:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: exactly. Did this (soldering) on my no brand usb charger |
| 13:07.04 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: You wouldn't happen to know which ones are the D+/D-? (Are they the middle two?) Will Google to verify but would love to have real-world confirmation from a live person. |
| 13:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | they are the middle two |
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| 13:08.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | in cable usuall white/green iirc |
| 13:09.03 | kwtm | Okay. Will try this on a el-cheapo adapter first. Crummy that I will have to do this for a whole bunch of adapters. :P Or maybe I'll have a USB charging cable that I can short, to be used with any adapter. |
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| 13:09.40 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer51: I don't suppose this is something changeable by software? In case I'm stuck somewhere without a charger and have to borrow/buy a USB cable while I'm travelling? |
| 13:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: check this post of mine, edit the 0x90 in the while condition to whatever it is for you (probably 0x10) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 |
| 13:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: status byte bit7 means D+/- short detected, but it doesn't work even when you use the original charger. So 0x10 is probably ok for you |
| 13:13.47 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the tip. Not sure I understand it but will research on my own. It looks like Maemo code (or is that a shell script?) and it will be incorporated later into Maemo? |
| 13:13.57 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: So that's what you look like! I love the sunglasses. :) |
| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: notice that this little script, just like bme, isn't able to detect end of charging correctly when screen backlight is on. Also keep in mind you have to "stop bme" prior to starting the script, and "start bme" after finishing charge |
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| 13:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's a shell script |
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| 13:16.02 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. Will keep it handy. |
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| 13:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: do not use this script for unattended charging please. It's not completely tested and a first rather rudimentary draft that doesn't check for many special situations |
| 13:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | it's reasonably safe for attended charging that will be killed/stopped by user after max 6h |
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| 13:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | don't use it with PC usb hosts or weak chargers, as it doesn't care about overloading etc |
| 13:19.38 | Bluewind | any hints how to install curl? |
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| 13:19.50 | Bluewind | apt-get doesn't find a package :( |
| 13:19.58 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Understood. Only for desperate situations. I was recently overseas and did not have a charger for my Treo650, and must have gone to a dozen local stores hunting for a charger/adapter/battery for the non-standard socket. I was so gratified to see that the N900 used a standard micro-USB. |
| 13:20.52 | kwtm | Bluewind: I don't see a package when I search under http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=curl |
| 13:21.05 | kwtm | Bluewind: But there's wget, though. Do you need curl specifically? |
| 13:21.10 | Bluewind | yeah |
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| 13:22.07 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Any recommendations on soldering? Did you just use a solder trail or actually attach a piece of metal to short D+ to D-? Did you solder the socket end (ie. computer end) like I plan to do, or did you solder the plug end (cable end)? |
| 13:22.52 | kwtm | Bluewind: I see libcurl and pycurl... I don't suppose you'd want to write your own Python version or something. I wonder if wget is included in some GNU utils package? |
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| 13:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: My charger is a wallwart with A-F receptacle. I soldered a blob over the two pins/solderpads of the receptacle |
| 13:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: I.E. computer end |
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| 13:24.08 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: And the act of plugging in the plug did not scrape off the solder? Ok. |
| 13:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | I use standard CA-101 cable with that |
| 13:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: the solder pads are inside the charger, on the PCB |
| 13:26.03 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Right... at first I thought the metal of the plug would scrape it off, but come to think of it now, that's just the ground housing, and the contacts themselves are embedded in the plastic tongue that floats inside the housing. Great; will try on cheap plug and then work on my car chargers if that's successful. |
| 13:26.36 | kwtm | Bluewind: Compile from source? I see a Maemo 3.2 binary but not Maemo 5.0. I assume you're talking about a n900? |
| 13:26.45 | Bluewind | yes |
| 13:27.21 | Bluewind | well I've nerver compiled any dpkg packages and know near to nothing about their buildsystem |
| 13:28.17 | kwtm | Me either. Sorry I can't help you more; maybe the veterans here can help. |
| 13:28.25 | Bluewind | thx anyway |
| 13:28.33 | kwtm | Anyway, gonna get some sleep. TTYL all. Thanks Doc for the soldering advice. |
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| 13:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: I never soldered any USB *plug*. Solder the end of the cable where wires are soldered to PCB, or where the receptacle is soldered to PCB |
| 13:32.17 | Bluewind | DocScrutinizer: he's gone |
| 13:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 13:33.15 | kerio | nobody has broke in the nokia HQ yet? |
| 13:33.45 | Appiah | kerio: to do what? |
| 13:33.51 | kerio | enter, copy the bme's source, exit |
| 13:34.21 | Stskeeps | because it is of such state your eyes will bleed if you try to read it |
| 13:34.24 | Stskeeps | ;) |
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| 13:35.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ack XP |
| 13:36.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | many tried, nobody came back |
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| 13:39.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: did they get caught, or did they die looking at the source? |
| 13:40.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw I said before: we don't even want to know what bme does. We are able to figure what it *should* do, and we found several bugs in bme already |
| 13:40.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: probably #2 |
| 13:41.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: yes we do |
| 13:41.16 | kerio | so we can write a replacement |
| 13:41.22 | kerio | and by "we" i mean you developers |
| 13:42.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly. we write a better replacement from scratch if we never had a look at original bme crap |
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| 13:42.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | bme is just wrong and buggy |
| 13:43.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | all we need is Nokia's specs for BL-5J battery care |
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| 13:43.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | and that is quite evidentally not to be found in bme |
| 13:46.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: what about OS integration? |
| 13:47.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps did that already, for mer |
| 13:48.03 | Stskeeps | hum? |
| 13:48.28 | Stskeeps | oh, right - hald-addon-bme replacement |
| 13:48.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | and what else we'd need (beyond hald-addon-bme) is not in bme anyway - like D+/- short charger detection which is in musb_core |
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| 13:50.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | or ENUM. guess where you find that |
| 13:50.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | what else left for 'OS integration'? |
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| 13:52.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the watchdog in dsme? not really a big thing. we can live without - it's largely nonsense |
| 13:52.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: we need a way to help noobs charge back the battery if it gets too low |
| 13:53.07 | kerio | i mean, that's kernel level |
| 13:53.08 | kerio | but still |
| 13:53.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | no that's hw level |
| 13:53.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | and nothing to be done |
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| 13:54.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | just works - integrated in usb charge chip bq24150 |
| 13:54.57 | kerio | the failsafe charging... |
| 13:55.08 | kerio | i really wonder *why* isn't charging fully hw anyway |
| 13:56.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | simply because bq24150 is missing an EPROM to configure for a particular battery |
| 13:57.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | so it reverts to absolutely safe power on presets which will charge just every cell in a safe way but only to some 10% |
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| 14:00.26 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: reasoning behind this? |
| 14:00.34 | kerio | it's not like you can use a different battery in a n900 anyway |
| 14:00.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | well it's not nokia who built that chip |
| 14:01.04 | Stskeeps | sure you can :P |
| 14:01.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | and yes. there's mugen and whatnot |
| 14:02.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and for ENUM you'll end with needing a software anyway. So why integrate functions to hw that are moe cheap to do in sw |
| 14:03.11 | kerio | because you're going to make crappy sw that people on IRC are going to whine about? |
| 14:03.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | like configuring the chip for 4.2V instead of 3.7V |
| 14:03.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | not me :-P |
| 14:03.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe Nokia subcontractors |
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| 14:06.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | and see my 'script' (it's almost not worth the name, but still does the job). How easy is that, and how hard would it be to fix if charger hw would be similarly borked as bme is |
| 14:08.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah 'let's do it in hw just becuase we got poor sw engineers' is never a good strategy |
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| 14:09.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hardware is tested a lot more |
| 14:09.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | rom-basic was a deadend |
| 14:10.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: hahahahaha |
| 14:10.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ha |
| 14:10.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha |
| 14:10.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | HA |
| 14:10.14 | kerio | stop crushing all my hopes |
| 14:10.16 | kerio | :( |
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| 14:11.33 | pupnik | ty for the info on bq24150 DocScrutinizer51 |
| 14:12.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | (still gasping) you're welcome. Which pericularly? |
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| 14:14.42 | DrGrov | Good day |
| 14:18.36 | luke-jr | is it possible that moving swap to MicroSD will hurt battery life? :/ |
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| 14:19.29 | gomiam | k |
| 14:21.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: there is that BSI |
| 14:21.56 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: which seems to be battery specifig |
| 14:21.59 | jacekowski | specific* |
| 14:22.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: yep |
| 14:22.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: BL-5J == 100k |
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| 14:23.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | unclear if it holds a thermofuse as well. like open circuit above 70C |
| 14:23.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why we need Nokia bl5j specs |
| 14:23.59 | jacekowski | have we asked nokia? |
| 14:24.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | not yet. Stskeeps says no use in that for next 3 weeks |
| 14:25.56 | jacekowski | and there is one more thing |
| 14:25.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not going to buy 10 bl-5j and kill them in test + R3 |
| 14:26.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | RE |
| 14:26.13 | jacekowski | why is bsi connected to gazoo |
| 14:26.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: aw :( |
| 14:26.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: good question |
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| 14:27.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe because one nice day in the past somebody thought it's not a fixed R but a NTC like on old Nokia batteries |
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| 14:29.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | or to shut down GSM TX *immediately* so even when you remove battery there's still enough time for bme to gracefully shut down system? |
| 14:29.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | which wouldn't work if GSM is drawing 2A and you remove battery |
| 14:30.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | but then there's no use in this when not hooked up to charger to backup power |
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| 14:30.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: we should meet and have 4 beer each while discussing that |
| 14:32.08 | dr34m | any way to reanimate a dead battery without a 2nd phone there ? when i connect the charger just the orange light is lit but wont boot or anything :| |
| 14:33.00 | flux | dr34m, have you tried keeping it that way for a while? |
| 14:33.25 | dr34m | the light goes off than but it wont boot still nor anything jup |
| 14:33.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: cargo cult EE probably |
| 14:34.18 | dr34m | kinda annoying they should supply some desktop charger or a 2nd phone with the n900 package =p |
| 14:35.31 | flux | dr34m, when I last had an empty battery, charging it for a while (remove battery, insert battery, use original charger for <hour?) and then starting it worked. iirc :). |
| 14:35.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | dr34m: yellow steady light=leave it. light off= replug charger. blinking yellow= you should be able to boot now |
| 14:36.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | dr34m: always use original wallcharger |
| 14:36.32 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: is there a car charger that works with the n900? |
| 14:36.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: dunno |
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| 14:37.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'd think Nokia should sell those :-) |
| 14:37.08 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: what's the charge voltage? How complicated would the circuit be? Does it need to have this usb-power-negotiation thingy? |
| 14:37.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | I got no car |
| 14:37.22 | flux | crashanddie, not complicated at all, in principle |
| 14:37.35 | flux | crashanddie, it needs to provide 5V and possibly 700mA |
| 14:37.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope. just 5.0V @ 1A. And D+/- short |
| 14:37.56 | dr34m | thanks for the reply DocScrutinizer51 and flux ill try that.. only using original wall charger anyways |
| 14:37.56 | flux | crashanddie, of course, given it's in a car, it must guard atleast for the overvoltage situation |
| 14:38.18 | flux | (you're going to get when you start the car) |
| 14:38.35 | crashanddie | s/car/bike/ |
| 14:38.36 | crashanddie | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6584/photo016.jpg |
| 14:38.49 | flux | I guess the same applies |
| 14:38.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | dr34m: yellow steady is limited to 32 minutes. replug every half hour |
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| 14:39.00 | flux | not sure, though |
| 14:39.07 | flux | wouldn't hurt atleast :) |
| 14:39.33 | dr34m | that a construction failure / bug on nokia side ? |
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| 14:39.42 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 14:39.46 | luke-jr | N900 won't stop vibrating |
| 14:39.54 | dr34m | give it to your gf |
| 14:39.58 | dr34m | sorry :x |
| 14:40.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | dr34m: not really |
| 14:40.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | dr34m: usually you shouldn't be able to drain your bat that much |
| 14:41.32 | dr34m | oke |
| 14:41.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | if it happens nevertheless, then there's 32min steady yellow emergency recover mode for charging |
| 14:42.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | should give you a bat at 25% after 30 min |
| 14:42.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe at 10 |
| 14:42.53 | dr34m | ok when the light goes off i replug the charger and repeat that till its working ? |
| 14:43.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway should suffice to boot and charge as usual after that |
| 14:43.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 14:43.16 | dr34m | i ordered a spare battery and a desktop charger anyways now |
| 14:43.21 | dr34m | specially in the weekend damnit |
| 14:46.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | dr34m: maybe it's wise to also remove the battery for some minutes. Especially if device doesn't show any yellow indicator light immediately on charger plugin |
| 14:47.05 | b-man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.05 | infobot | pong MohammadAG51 |
| 14:47.22 | crashanddie | flux: I'll probrably get this: http://www.equipmoto.fr/accessoire-moto-prise-allume-cigare-de-courant-moto.html |
| 14:49.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: skooter, motorbike? |
| 14:49.15 | crashanddie | motorbike |
| 14:49.23 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: link I posted before |
| 14:50.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | be carefull, I've seen at least 3 fried devices (Freerunner) due to crappy USB car chargers plugged in while starting motor |
| 14:50.21 | crashanddie | will do |
| 14:50.25 | luke-jr | ouch |
| 14:50.33 | luke-jr | sticks to an inverter... |
| 14:51.04 | luke-jr | so no comments on whether swap-on-microSD will harm battery life? |
| 14:51.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, N900 is way more robust on VBUS OV |
| 14:51.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | but still.... |
| 14:51.41 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: I can connect an SSR to the headlamps cable so that the power is cut immediately as soon as the engine is off (the headlamps come up when the engine is started) |
| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: sure, might keep uSD powered all the time |
| 14:52.12 | crashanddie | or rather an EMR, rather than SSR |
| 14:52.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: sounds reasonable |
| 14:52.39 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: would also prevent people from plugging in something into the plug and draining my battery while it is parked |
| 14:52.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | good plan |
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| 14:54.22 | crashanddie | I wonder if I could use a transistor rather than a relay... 5v at 700mA, so roughly 3.5W, that should be findable |
| 14:55.18 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: though, why were they fried? Because it went over 12V? |
| 14:55.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | unclear |
| 14:55.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably high voltage bursts |
| 14:55.58 | crashanddie | well, most likely, it's not like it could sudden pump amps through |
| 14:56.13 | crashanddie | well, there is a jumper on that circuit |
| 14:57.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe even transients of inverted polarity |
| 14:57.39 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 14:57.55 | Venemo | is there anyone here who could help me with a little bit of a gtk stuff? |
| 14:58.06 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: scary |
| 14:58.10 | luke-jr | GTK ftl |
| 14:58.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | we checked one of the chargers, but couldn't find clear problems |
| 14:59.02 | alterego | Rather boring question, but what would people call the widget in the top left: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100709-124603.png |
| 14:59.22 | alterego | I'm trying to come up with a better name than "CompassWidget" something more succinct about the actual widget style .. |
| 14:59.30 | kerio | compass |
| 14:59.45 | alterego | Sure, but the widget below is also a compass .. |
| 15:00.39 | alterego | I was thinking maybe: SlideCompass |
| 15:00.48 | GAN900 | alterego, sounds plausible. |
| 15:01.38 | alterego | Or maybe: TapeCompass, or RuleCompass, or CompassRule :) |
| 15:01.42 | kerio | alterego: side compass |
| 15:01.59 | alterego | Ah, maybe HCompass :) |
| 15:02.05 | alterego | Or HorizontalCompass |
| 15:02.16 | alterego | That's a pretty goodf idea. |
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| 15:03.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | periscope? |
| 15:04.03 | luke-jr | GAN900: -.-; |
| 15:04.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | head up display compass? |
| 15:04.18 | luke-jr | GAN900: 3GData + WiFi works fine concurrently with stock 1.2 |
| 15:04.26 | alterego | I was thinking, going along with Qt widget names: SlideCompass and DialCompass |
| 15:04.53 | Stskeeps | oh fucking hell. 'we have to stop the train cos we need to look at a technical problem' |
| 15:05.05 | cehteh | alterego: Bearing |
| 15:05.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | scale compass |
| 15:05.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | bearing |
| 15:05.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's it |
| 15:05.23 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:05.27 | luke-jr | so um |
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| 15:05.41 | luke-jr | think T-Mobile is any more likely to let me subscribe now that I have a SIM? |
| 15:05.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: too hot :-P |
| 15:05.57 | alterego | SlideBearing .. |
| 15:06.03 | alterego | And DialBearing? :) |
| 15:06.49 | alterego | GeoBearingSlide, and GeoBearingDial are my favourites so far :P |
| 15:06.55 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: got a plane to catch so they better fix it |
| 15:07.10 | luke-jr | alterego: why make it compass-specific? :P |
| 15:07.18 | alterego | luke-jr: I'm not, |
| 15:07.37 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 15:07.47 | luke-jr | that was a joke. I can't think of a viable non-compass use |
| 15:08.09 | alterego | luke-jr: Well, I'm making generic base classes |
| 15:08.26 | alterego | The Compass/Bearing usage is obviously a specialization of the base classes. |
| 15:08.32 | alterego | BearingScale |
| 15:08.56 | luke-jr | alterego: has it ruler-markers? :P |
| 15:09.35 | alterego | luke-jr: did you look at the picture? :P |
| 15:09.38 | luke-jr | no |
| 15:09.44 | alterego | Oh, well, yes it does :) |
| 15:09.59 | luke-jr | clicks |
| 15:10.23 | Stskeeps | woo, driving again |
| 15:10.46 | luke-jr | alterego: base 6??? |
| 15:10.48 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: does the Freerunner have phone capability? |
| 15:10.58 | Stskeeps | define capability |
| 15:11.00 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 15:11.06 | alterego | luke-jr: ? |
| 15:11.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: allegedly yes XP |
| 15:11.27 | luke-jr | alterego: your ruler markings are oddly base 6 |
| 15:11.30 | DrGrov | I can make regular GSM phone calls? |
| 15:11.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: compass rose, compass scale |
| 15:11.58 | alterego | luke-jr: are they? |
| 15:12.09 | alterego | I don't see it ... |
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| 15:12.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: sometimes |
| 15:12.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually |
| 15:12.40 | luke-jr | alterego: well, a mixed combination |
| 15:12.49 | alterego | Well, the base class is obviously a "SlideRule" class :) |
| 15:12.58 | luke-jr | you have 9 divisions between directions, then 6 divisions within those |
| 15:13.07 | alterego | luke-jr: Well, it's got 1, 5, 45 and 90 degree markings. |
| 15:13.13 | luke-jr | I don't use degrees. |
| 15:13.26 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: usually? so it has some issues? |
| 15:13.43 | alterego | luke-jr: what do you use for your bearings? Radians? :) |
| 15:13.49 | luke-jr | alterego: Tims |
| 15:13.57 | alterego | Never heard of 'em |
| 15:13.58 | luke-jr | and timtons as necessary |
| 15:14.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: well yes. it's not extremly reliable |
| 15:14.19 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: ok, perhaps better to stick with the N900 then :) |
| 15:14.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: mostly due to userland sw |
| 15:14.31 | DrGrov | oh, i see. |
| 15:15.14 | luke-jr | alterego: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 |
| 15:15.35 | alterego | luke-jr: yeah, you showed me that before I believe :P |
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| 15:15.56 | alterego | I do plan on implementing custom "conversions" unit systems. |
| 15:17.00 | luke-jr | alterego: divide each direction in half, repeat, rinse |
| 15:17.15 | luke-jr | eg, see bottom half of http://www.k12math.com/math-concepts/measurement/ruler-cm.jpg |
| 15:18.15 | alterego | Yeah, I get it |
| 15:18.55 | luke-jr | or for a better example... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Hexadecimal_compass_by_Nystrom.jpg/350px-Hexadecimal_compass_by_Nystrom.jpg |
| 15:19.35 | alterego | Still doesn't sound too common to me :P |
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| 15:19.54 | luke-jr | alterego: not common at all, just logical and easy :) |
| 15:20.02 | luke-jr | why make things hard? |
| 15:20.21 | alterego | Well, it's not about difficulty, it's about standards isn't it :P |
| 15:20.38 | luke-jr | Tonal is a better standard |
| 15:20.51 | alterego | It's not standard though |
| 15:22.50 | luke-jr | it's a standard. |
| 15:22.52 | luke-jr | :) |
| 15:23.30 | alterego | I'd say it's a format, it's not a standard until more than one person use it and in some industry :P |
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| 15:25.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: you won't change the world :-P |
| 15:26.22 | luke-jr | alterego: hmm, so I need to convince one other person... :D |
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| 15:26.43 | alterego | Hahah# |
| 15:26.53 | alterego | And use it in the such for some oil maybe :P |
| 15:26.59 | alterego | s/such/search/ ... |
| 15:27.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | we'll rather see the British use Euro or the USA go SI units, than becoming tonal any form of standard |
| 15:27.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:28.12 | luke-jr | SI sucks |
| 15:28.19 | LinuxCode | luke-jr, forget us ever using the Euro |
| 15:28.21 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: I am extremely impressed by the Freerunner. I might need to get one. The problem is my fiancee saying that I will get brutally murdered if I buy one. |
| 15:28.25 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 15:28.37 | luke-jr | DrGrov: impressed how? |
| 15:28.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehehe |
| 15:28.44 | luke-jr | DrGrov: does it work now? |
| 15:28.44 | alterego | I'm not sure Europe would have us with the current state of our economy :) |
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| 15:29.41 | DrGrov | luke-jr: It seems to be interesting since I like Linux on my phones |
| 15:30.25 | luke-jr | DrGrov: yeah, the theory is awesome |
| 15:30.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: SHR seems most usable distro for now |
| 15:30.30 | luke-jr | but AFAIK it's never actually worked |
| 15:30.48 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: yes, I read that SHR is most used. |
| 15:31.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: uh? I used it for daily phone until I got N900 |
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| 15:31.14 | sejo | someone using a bluetooth ear with the n900? |
| 15:31.18 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: really? O.o |
| 15:31.21 | DrGrov | The phone is not expensive so I might want to give it a go |
| 15:31.21 | sejo | here it sounds all distorted |
| 15:31.23 | DrGrov | sejo: yes, i use |
| 15:31.36 | sejo | but not when using the BT device with other phones |
| 15:31.46 | DrGrov | sejo: if you mean bluetooth hands free |
| 15:31.47 | sejo | DrGrov: good sound? |
| 15:31.50 | sejo | yes |
| 15:31.56 | DrGrov | sejo: yes, the sound is really good. |
| 15:32.10 | DrGrov | sejo: are you using a default Nokia BT HF? |
| 15:32.16 | sejo | on my previous cor it was ok, but with such an earbud it's not |
| 15:32.46 | DrGrov | sejo: which bluetooth HF are you currently using? |
| 15:32.53 | sejo | DrGrov: no an LG HBM-215 |
| 15:33.07 | DrGrov | sejo: there you go. that is the problem... |
| 15:33.40 | DrGrov | sejo: always try to use a default Bluetooth HF with Nokia. That seems to be always working out the best. |
| 15:33.50 | luke-jr | any idea how to say 3G in Japanese? XD |
| 15:33.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | Sony HBH-DS220 ... WFM |
| 15:34.28 | DrGrov | sejo: I currently use the Nokia 2xx series BT on my N900 without any problems |
| 15:34.35 | sejo | DrGrov: not buying another |
| 15:34.47 | sejo | bleh |
| 15:34.50 | sejo | sucks |
| 15:35.14 | DrGrov | sejo: you could easily get a Nokia 2xx series BT for approximately 40 euros |
| 15:35.32 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: That is a quality BT :) |
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| 15:37.43 | DrGrov | i got really interested in this Bluetooth HF |
| 15:38.59 | DrGrov | sejo: it is a Nokia BH-216 I got as a headset. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-216 |
| 15:39.29 | DrGrov | it is the BH-904 I got really interested about... http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-904 |
| 15:39.35 | DrGrov | The price though is a huge minor problem |
| 15:40.45 | DrGrov | I tested it in Helsinki at the Nokia Flagship Store and it was impressive. There was some loud music playing and I was staying in the middle of the sound and I hear clearly everything the guy said. |
| 15:43.05 | DrGrov | Guys, which one of these 2 would you recommend? the Nokia BH-904 or the Nokia BH-804, http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-804? |
| 15:43.09 | DrGrov | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-804 |
| 15:43.15 | DrGrov | Sorry for double posting links... |
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| 15:52.18 | DrGrov | brb |
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| 15:54.17 | Arkenoi | wonders if subscribing to city area wifi helps me to save battery or switching hotspots while walking would kill it even faster |
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| 16:09.46 | luke-jr | where to find exact PR 1.2 kernel sources? :) |
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| 16:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle ?? |
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| 16:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: switching hotspots isn't so expensive |
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| 16:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: depends on what you compare it to... |
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| 16:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: on a correctly configured wide area WLAN with multiple APs, there should basically be no such thing like switching hotspots |
| 16:22.51 | GAN900 | luke-jr, r.m.o? |
| 16:22.59 | Justus | is there a website for the Maemo Game Openlands? |
| 16:23.04 | luke-jr | keyword: exact |
| 16:23.07 | Justus | I didn't find one over google |
| 16:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: hmm, ask Stskeeps maybe |
| 16:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: who knows how 'exact' the published sources are? |
| 16:24.52 | GAN900 | luke-jr, whatever the one in there whose version matches. |
| 16:25.32 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, comparing to poor quality mixed edge/3g network |
| 16:26.10 | Arkenoi | will try, subscription costs about $17 |
| 16:27.14 | Arkenoi | monthly |
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| 16:35.00 | smhar | wh |
| 16:35.40 | smhar | there is a vibration and sound whenever I click on almost anything in N900, how to disable that? |
| 16:37.39 | FireFly|n900 | Under settings > display, smhar |
| 16:37.54 | FireFly|n900 | or similar; running swedish version |
| 16:38.55 | smhar | found, thanks FireFly|n900, I hope this will save a little more battery |
| 16:40.10 | FireFly|n900 | I don't think that drains the battery very much, though reducing the backlight årobably does |
| 16:40.15 | FireFly|n900 | probably* |
| 16:40.33 | FireFly|n900 | just guessing, though |
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| 16:43.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Arkenoi: WLAN will win every time GSM competes |
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| 16:51.46 | Dassu | 6 |
| 16:52.14 | mortini | 7 |
| 16:55.46 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 16:58.40 | PhonicUK | F-Zero X at 30 FPS? Hell yeah |
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| 17:03.22 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 17:04.27 | MOUD | is appinstaller worth installing? |
| 17:04.38 | MOUD | what are the advantages? |
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| 17:14.27 | pupnik | PhonicUK: is that snes? |
| 17:14.36 | PhonicUK | no the N64 version |
| 17:15.44 | PhonicUK | using Mupen64 |
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| 17:28.09 | PhonicUK | my phone is warm |
| 17:28.15 | PhonicUK | running at 1GHz though xD |
| 17:28.20 | PhonicUK | its really stable :\ |
| 17:28.32 | PhonicUK | its been looping the F-Zero X intro for nearly an hour now |
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| 17:39.37 | MOUD | PhonicUK: what's your overclock configuration? |
| 17:39.55 | PhonicUK | standard voltages, 900MHz |
| 17:41.02 | PhonicUK | brb |
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| 17:42.11 | DrGrov | Quick question about the Black Plastic Theme Pack that came to the extras-repositories today. Do I need to uninstall the regular Black Plastic theme first before I put in the Theme Pack version? |
| 17:45.54 | DrGrov | So to enable the theme I need to go into Settings first and choose what I want and then enable it? |
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| 17:48.06 | luke-jr | hum |
| 17:48.18 | luke-jr | I just wrote a DNS tunnel client in 100 lines of Perl :D |
| 17:48.29 | luke-jr | most of which is decoding the AAAA replies into binary dat |
| 17:48.31 | luke-jr | a |
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| 17:59.17 | ml-mobile | vnc is so slow over EDGE |
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| 17:59.31 | Macer | i need to find a new case for this xbox360 |
| 17:59.37 | Macer | i want to l33t it out with the clear case and red lights |
| 17:59.49 | MohammadAG51 | red lights? overheat it |
| 17:59.53 | SpeedEvil | passes Macer some brass sheet and mahogany. |
| 18:00.00 | Macer | haha |
| 18:00.13 | Macer | oh yeah. let me put some wood grain on the xbox360 |
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| 18:03.15 | Macer | http://aleptu.com/xbox-360-mods-0519202.html |
| 18:03.27 | Macer | the one at the top with the 2 halo characters.. that's taking it too far :) |
| 18:03.34 | Macer | especially since halo is a total shit game |
| 18:05.28 | smhar | is there any money management program for N900 already |
| 18:06.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:06.17 | SpeedEvil | there are a couple |
| 18:06.19 | SpeedEvil | maemoney/ |
| 18:06.54 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 18:06.55 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 18:07.41 | smhar | not online stocks stuff, but personal budget management |
| 18:08.07 | SpeedEvil | It did not have an obvious name |
| 18:08.23 | jacekowski | just a question in regards to installation of .deb's from www in microb |
| 18:08.27 | jacekowski | when you click on deb |
| 18:08.37 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:08.38 | jacekowski | it should automaticaly install dependencies as well? |
| 18:08.50 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/siggy/ |
| 18:09.20 | SpeedEvil | There was another one, but I don't recall the name |
| 18:09.52 | kerio | jacekowski: i think there's a way to add a repo and download&install a program (with dependencies) |
| 18:10.17 | type_t_ | luke-jr what version of perl is that. are you using IO::Socket::SSL ??. |
| 18:10.36 | luke-jr | type_t_: 5.8.8, no |
| 18:10.40 | luke-jr | DNS doesn't need SSL |
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| 18:14.28 | smhar | oh...not in extra yet! |
| 18:15.50 | DrGrov | I managed that Black Plastic Theme Pack to get working without any problems |
| 18:15.54 | DrGrov | Really great theme |
| 18:16.33 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: Hi there, did you do the custom transitions for Black Plastic Theme Pack? If so they are absolutely fantastic :) |
| 18:16.54 | MohammadAG51 | DrGrov, sorry to disappointed, but nope :P |
| 18:17.13 | DrGrov | Macer: why didn't you buy the cool Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Xbox 360 when it was released? :) |
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| 18:17.50 | Macer | hah |
| 18:17.56 | Macer | i don't get game related cases |
| 18:18.17 | Macer | i just wanta clear case so i can get it all lit up |
| 18:18.40 | Macer | i want to remove the drive top too and put one in with a window |
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| 18:18.56 | Macer | i think i am going to need a power booster for the LEDs tho :( |
| 18:19.02 | thopiekar | is amrothos from youtube here? |
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| 18:19.15 | thopiekar | he is controling a arduino w/ his N800 |
| 18:19.45 | thopiekar | I'm interested in the kernel drivers for the usb to serial chip on the arduino.. |
| 18:23.18 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: how did them then? No disappointment |
| 18:23.33 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil_Work, i suppose |
| 18:23.56 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: ah yes, he himself made them I presume. But you did some scripting? |
| 18:24.15 | MohammadAG51 | no, why do you think I'm involved? |
| 18:24.28 | MohammadAG51 | i only slightly helped with the script |
| 18:24.44 | DrGrov | Macer: how do you order this cases? |
| 18:24.56 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: you are in the credits ... |
| 18:25.26 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
| 18:25.28 | smhar | if I added extra-testing to my N900 repos, will I be able to see if the app is from extra or extra-testing? and will it show its karma level? or do I need to check the web for every application? |
| 18:25.31 | MohammadAG51 | didn't know that :P |
| 18:28.29 | ml-mobile | smhar: it will show the catalog if you tap the "Description" button |
| 18:28.43 | Macer | DrGrov: by clicking "buy" ? |
| 18:28.44 | Macer | haha |
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| 18:32.02 | DrGrov | Macer: lol |
| 18:33.20 | Macer | but yeah. i think that is the case i will get. the clear one |
| 18:33.33 | Macer | i figure like $200 should be enough to make the old xbox look good as new heh |
| 18:33.40 | Macer | most likely less than that |
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| 18:40.11 | DrGrov | 200... |
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| 18:40.57 | DrGrov | WTF should you need to pay about 200... Should be cheaper on the cases I've seen. Surely not the same as the one you're thinking about but you don't think that it is a bit much? |
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| 18:45.21 | RST38h | http://maemos.ru/heya wazd |
| 18:45.27 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 18:47.27 | RST38h | Anyone has got the apple bt keyboard driver compiled for the PR1.2 kernel? |
| 18:49.04 | jacekowski | RST38h: you don't need any special driver |
| 18:49.19 | jacekowski | RST38h: it's just working as soon as you enable correct bt profile |
| 18:50.11 | RST38h | it does not. |
| 18:50.23 | RST38h | needs a special driver. |
| 18:55.37 | Arkenoi | rst38h: will see if reducing swappiness will help with ui reposnsibility degradation i get after a week of uptime or so |
| 18:56.22 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I am waiting to see that as well. 1 day uptime right now. |
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| 18:56.51 | RST38h | Arkenoi: does it feel better so far though? |
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| 18:57.40 | Arkenoi | RST38h, seems so |
| 18:57.48 | jacekowski | RST38h: you odn't need a driver |
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| 18:58.32 | jacekowski | RST38h: you just have to enable HID profile and that's all |
| 18:58.43 | RST38h | sighs at jacekowski |
| 18:58.55 | RST38h | The guy just doesn't do his fact checking =( |
| 18:59.02 | jacekowski | i hat apple keyboard |
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| 18:59.08 | jacekowski | have* |
| 18:59.31 | RST38h | A'ok. Let us conduct an experiment. Maybe PR1.2 magically fixed that. |
| 18:59.42 | jacekowski | Module Size Used by |
| 18:59.42 | jacekowski | hidp 12544 1 |
| 18:59.42 | jacekowski | hid 31876 1 hidp |
| 18:59.58 | pupnik | anybody want to play a game of 'hunt' sometime, for old-times sake? |
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| 19:01.43 | jacekowski | RST38h: i never had any driver for pr1.1 |
| 19:01.54 | jacekowski | RST38h: as well as i never had any driver for pr1.2 |
| 19:02.01 | jacekowski | RST38h: and it was working just fine |
| 19:02.05 | _0x471 | how can I check if my application is still building in the autobuilder. it's 4 hours ago, wtf? |
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| 19:02.27 | jacekowski | _0x471: what was the name? |
| 19:02.41 | _0x471 | libboost1.42 |
| 19:02.52 | jacekowski | that will take a lot to build |
| 19:02.55 | jacekowski | freemantle? |
| 19:02.55 | _0x471 | failed once, but the second try should be ok |
| 19:02.57 | _0x471 | yes |
| 19:03.08 | _0x471 | how fast is the autobuilders cpu? |
| 19:03.10 | jacekowski | hmm it has finished |
| 19:03.20 | _0x471 | it took an hour on my 2x3ghz vm |
| 19:03.30 | jacekowski | i would guess something around 4x2.6GHz |
| 19:03.31 | _0x471 | huh? |
| 19:03.43 | jacekowski | as it's little bit slower than mine 2.83GHz |
| 19:03.52 | jacekowski | _0x471: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libboost_1.37.0-3/armel.build.log.OK.txt |
| 19:03.58 | RST38h | Naah, same shit. |
| 19:04.07 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 19:04.11 | _0x471 | jacekowski: 1.42 :) |
| 19:04.15 | RST38h | Sorry, jacekowski, but it needs a kernel driver. |
| 19:04.15 | jacekowski | RST38h: well, what's the problem? |
| 19:04.19 | jacekowski | RST38h: bullshit |
| 19:04.25 | RST38h | jacekowski: google for it, will'ya? |
| 19:04.34 | jacekowski | RST38h: well, i trust my eyes |
| 19:04.37 | _0x471 | jacekowski: failed here https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-July/024962.html |
| 19:04.48 | _0x471 | but the second one still didn't update the status |
| 19:05.00 | jacekowski | RST38h: i have it working without any drivers |
| 19:05.15 | jacekowski | RST38h: /etc/bluetooth/main.conf |
| 19:05.27 | _0x471 | jacekowski: what happens if I add it one more time, but the first one happens to compile ok? |
| 19:05.34 | jacekowski | RST38h: line DisablePlugins? |
| 19:05.39 | jacekowski | RST38h: what do you have there? |
| 19:05.40 | _0x471 | will it crash the first build? |
| 19:05.46 | jacekowski | _0x471: no |
| 19:05.56 | jacekowski | _0x471: it will just reject one of them |
| 19:06.10 | _0x471 | ok, then i'll just add it again to ensure it's actually there. |
| 19:06.11 | _0x471 | thanks |
| 19:06.12 | jacekowski | the latter one |
| 19:07.41 | jacekowski | RST38h: Nokia-N900-02-8:/# hcitool con |
| 19:07.41 | jacekowski | Connections: > ACL 7C:6D:62:41:B0:AD handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH ENCRYPT |
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| 19:08.13 | jacekowski | RST38h: so unless in some automagical way i have that driver |
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| 19:08.19 | jacekowski | RST38h: it's working without it |
| 19:09.14 | FireStorm| | fmms - any one having problem sending mms's says it's gone but never gets delivered? |
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| 19:09.31 | jacekowski | FireStorm|: it's network problem then |
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| 19:10.05 | FireStorm| | :( |
| 19:10.19 | FireStorm| | but i take sim out n900 put in G1 send pictures all day long |
| 19:10.53 | jacekowski | oO |
| 19:11.00 | jacekowski | bme sends signals over dbus somehow |
| 19:11.08 | jacekowski | but there is no dbus code in bme itself |
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| 19:11.45 | jacekowski | hmm, nvm |
| 19:11.58 | FireStorm| | i know frals is on here i'll pick his brains when he back |
| 19:12.01 | FireStorm| | just seemed strange |
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| 19:17.09 | wazd | RST38h: moo :) |
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| 19:17.54 | iPeter- | hi |
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| 19:21.10 | _0x471 | jacekowski: if the autobuilder site states my application as being in the build queue, is it already building? |
| 19:21.27 | jacekowski | _0x471: no |
| 19:21.30 | jacekowski | it's in a queue |
| 19:21.43 | _0x471 | wtf? it's been added 4 hours ago? |
| 19:22.52 | _0x471 | i don't get it, lets see what happens |
| 19:25.43 | jacekowski | i'm just wondering if nokia would take down a patcher for fmtxd modyfing it to ignore usb cable and headphones state |
| 19:28.41 | smhar | is it possible to include more fields in the contacts? like prefix ? |
| 19:30.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: probably not. I mean they even accept powerkernel |
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| 19:31.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wouldn't hope for inclusion to harmatan though |
| 19:31.30 | xnt14 | hmm, My N900 was in an infinite reboot loop, I enabled R&D mode and disabled the lifeguard reset, it boots now, but how can I find the root issue which caused it? |
| 19:32.38 | jacekowski | xnt14: /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets and /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts |
| 19:32.44 | xnt14 | jacekowski: ok |
| 19:32.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
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| 19:35.09 | xnt14 | jacekowski: http://xceleo.pastebin.com/A5bQYbja |
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| 19:37.05 | jacekowski | hmm, i think somebody had same problem |
| 19:37.08 | jacekowski | not so long ago |
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| 19:37.31 | jacekowski | just flash it |
| 19:37.45 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 19:37.54 | xnt14 | so copy my data out, and reflash? |
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| 19:38.15 | xnt14 | is it safe to reflash while in R&D Mode? (just want to be safe) |
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| 19:42.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17790 Interesting. (though somewhat irrelevant) SATA drive replacement using striped SDs |
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| 19:46.26 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 19:46.33 | jacekowski | how do you check if headphones are plugged it? |
| 19:46.36 | jacekowski | plugged in* |
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| 19:50.38 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/headphoned/ |
| 19:52.11 | flux | btw, how does n900 behave if you have two bluetooth headsets? |
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| 19:54.00 | jacekowski | i don't think n900 can handle 2 bluetooth connections |
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| 19:56.26 | flux | really? |
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| 19:59.03 | jacekowski | dunno |
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| 20:03.52 | flux | I could see it wouldn't suport a master- and a slave-connection simultaneously |
| 20:04.18 | flux | but iirc you can have 7 bluetooth slave-connections in one master |
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| 20:11.17 | SpeedEvil | There is what the hardware can in principle do. |
| 20:11.25 | SpeedEvil | Then there is what the chipset in question can do. |
| 20:11.33 | SpeedEvil | then there is what teh firmware in the chipset actually does |
| 20:11.57 | SpeedEvil | and if the drivers and OS and application side actually support all the features the firmware enables |
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| 20:21.14 | wazd | oh. my. god |
| 20:21.18 | wazd | poor Forlan |
| 20:21.27 | wazd | that's super fail |
| 20:25.07 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 20:34.22 | kthomas_vh | anyone know where I can find the installer files for nokia maps for n900? |
| 20:35.35 | SpectralNewt | maybe /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:42.23 | jacekowski | grrr dbus |
| 20:42.29 | jacekowski | how do i send dbus message to enable fmtx |
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| 21:15.02 | rhaamo | hi all. |
| 21:16.26 | Nadley | hi |
| 21:17.05 | rhaamo | is anyone getting sigsegv when trying to run 'aptitude' (on root, no arguments, just aptitude) too ? |
| 21:17.59 | kerio | reducing the swappiness to increase UI responsivity is dumb |
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| 21:25.16 | Arkenoi | kerio: why? |
| 21:25.33 | kerio | because the swappiness is there for a reason |
| 21:25.50 | kerio | you're trading ui responsivity for i/o caching |
| 21:26.16 | kerio | i mean |
| 21:26.19 | kerio | the opposite |
| 21:26.24 | Arkenoi | well, but as long as phone runs more smoothly we do not really care, right? |
| 21:26.52 | kerio | ...yes we do? |
| 21:26.53 | kerio | at least, i do |
| 21:27.00 | Arkenoi | why? |
| 21:27.20 | Arkenoi | what's wrong with this tradeoff? |
| 21:27.47 | kerio | 3 seconds to open a menu after two hours is an acceptable tradeoff for 30 seconds less when compiling a kernel |
| 21:28.13 | kerio | you notice the first, but you don't notice the second |
| 21:28.54 | Nadley | What content I backup when I use the default backup tool |
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| 21:30.40 | flux | nadley, /etc/osso-backup has a list of sorts |
| 21:31.12 | Nadley | flux: I don't understand what you say |
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| 21:31.34 | flux | nadley, /etc/osos-backup/applications contains the lists that control what the backup backs up |
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| 21:32.22 | Nadley | ok |
| 21:32.34 | Arkenoi | kerio, it's ok for me, then ;-) |
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| 21:32.59 | Arkenoi | i do not recompile kernel on-device every day |
| 21:33.06 | kerio | heh |
| 21:33.24 | DrGrov | flux: you can not have 2 similar bluetooth devices connected at the same time. that means you can't have 2 BT handsfrees. |
| 21:33.49 | flux | drgrov, what happens when you try to connect? |
| 21:34.47 | DrGrov | flux: i do not need to connect in order to know that. have not even tried it since i know it will fail. |
| 21:35.21 | flux | I've been thinking of hooking one bt-hf permanently to my car for music playback and wondering how it would work, if I have a carry-on bt-hf as well |
| 21:35.42 | flux | I suppose most of the time only one would be turned on |
| 21:36.28 | flux | but possibly the vehicle one would be turned on all the time, leading into having two bt-hfs in the phone's vicinity |
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| 21:39.03 | DrGrov | flux: i am pretty sure you can have one bt-hf for music playback and one for talk-bt-hf. not really too sure but should work out. |
| 21:39.36 | DrGrov | but on the other hand, you can have two bluetooths paired to your device but you could easily switch between bluetooths. |
| 21:40.22 | kerio | my ears! the bluetooths do nothing |
| 21:40.39 | flux | automatic connecting is nice. but if it's possibly to switch in a programmatic fashion it would be nice as well. |
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| 21:44.16 | DrGrov | flux: you could easily do that. or i consider it to be quite straight forward without too much clicking and fiddling around. |
| 21:44.29 | DrGrov | kerio: perhaps a bad bluetooth? |
| 21:44.37 | DrGrov | once you get a quality BT there is no issues. |
| 21:46.09 | Macer | hm |
| 21:46.28 | Macer | i go to a gas station that takes like a week to process its cc payments |
| 21:46.41 | trumee | my average roundtrip time to the router (PSM) is 40ms, is that bad? |
| 21:46.53 | trumee | with pings |
| 21:47.07 | Macer | i have never seen a place that takes so long |
| 21:47.33 | Stskeeps | trumee: psm will naturally add a little bit of latency |
| 21:47.48 | Stskeeps | cos of queueing, etc |
| 21:48.11 | trumee | is there any good router which works well with PSM? |
| 21:48.30 | SpeedEvil1 | I get ~400ms rtt |
| 21:48.59 | SpeedEvil1 | http://www.ciao.co.uk/Dynamode_R_ADSL_C4W_EG__6559753 |
| 21:49.05 | SpeedEvil1 | one of these. |
| 21:49.05 | SpeedEvil1 | I do not recommend it |
| 21:49.18 | SpeedEvil | (not for the hardware, for the ignorance of GPL) |
| 21:50.07 | trumee | that is pretty crap |
| 21:50.28 | trumee | i need an alternative to linksys |
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| 21:50.56 | SpeedEvil | It works - I get about 30m range through 3 very thick stone walls |
| 21:50.59 | trumee | linksys doesnt handle sip very well |
| 21:51.07 | SpeedEvil | And great powersaving |
| 21:51.45 | Macer | hm . after my son leaves i think i'll put his wii into a new case |
| 21:51.46 | trumee | SpeedEvil, i guess you dont do sip calls. |
| 21:52.12 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 21:52.17 | SpeedEvil | I don't do any calls |
| 21:52.22 | DrGrov | Macer: actually I have. Takes about 1 week where I usually also did put fuel in the car. |
| 21:52.24 | tgalal | can n900 tether internet from other phones and computer just like the N800/ |
| 21:52.25 | tgalal | ? |
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| 21:52.48 | Macer | DrGrov: heh. yeah welll. :) they are taking forever |
| 21:52.54 | Macer | and i don't like money floating around out there like that |
| 21:52.59 | DrGrov | Macer: yeah, a bit too long. |
| 21:53.00 | trumee | i need a router which handles sip calls with PSM. |
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| 21:53.13 | Macer | trumee: then find one ;) |
| 21:53.23 | DrGrov | Macer: well, today it merely matters though. internet banking is so easy so it literally does not matter, at least to me. |
| 21:53.27 | SpeedEvil | tgalal: yes, it can - sometimes the connection manager gets in te way a bit |
| 21:53.39 | trumee | Nokia devs should let us know what routers they test N900 against. |
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| 21:54.02 | Macer | DrGrov: yeah well.. still. everywhere else takes like 5 secs to hit the acct |
| 21:54.07 | DrGrov | I use against my trusted Elisa Kotiboksi shit and it works out well |
| 21:54.11 | Macer | do they mail in the cc slips or something? |
| 21:54.21 | DrGrov | Macer: yes, they mail them. pretty sure about that. |
| 21:54.35 | Macer | they still use like some old ass modem based cc machine |
| 21:54.49 | Macer | you can hear the old school modem noises |
| 21:54.53 | DrGrov | yes but they do not get the cc receipts sent then. the cashier system they use is too old. |
| 21:55.37 | tgalal | SpeedEvil: N800 supported that smoothly |
| 21:55.57 | SpeedEvil | tgalal: n900 is designed as a user device. |
| 21:56.10 | tgalal | and N800 ? |
| 21:56.13 | SpeedEvil | tgalal: And the users are assumed to not have enough clue to do clever things. |
| 21:56.22 | SpeedEvil | Often |
| 21:56.56 | SpeedEvil | So bugs filed against broken stuff sometimes get 'conforms to spec' resolutions. |
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| 22:19.11 | jacekowski | with fmtx |
| 22:19.20 | jacekowski | does power level 120 have any special meaning? |
| 22:21.29 | GAN900 | It's clearly not over 9000. |
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| 22:27.10 | b-man | lol |
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| 22:39.58 | jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD |
| 22:40.04 | jacekowski | if anybody is interested |
| 22:40.16 | jacekowski | modified fmtxd binary that will ignore headphones |
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| 22:47.53 | henkka | terse |
| 22:49.26 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk&feature=related |
| 22:49.28 | jacekowski | rotfl |
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| 23:18.35 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - my n900 won't play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8&feature=PlayList&p=5BF9E09ECEC8F88F&playnext_from=PL&index=0 at the higher res. |
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| 23:42.54 | jacekowski | rotfl |
| 23:43.01 | jacekowski | i got banned on ubuntu-uk |
| 23:43.14 | SpeedEvil | Okaay. |
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| 23:43.27 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, not surprised tbh :P |
| 23:43.35 | LuciusMare | Hello, my device does not prompt me for password, how to set it? |
| 23:43.46 | LuciusMare | at startup |
| 23:43.47 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: i got banned for posting link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk&feature=related |
| 23:43.52 | SpeedEvil | The n900 has an internal masquerading DNS of some form |
| 23:44.09 | SpeedEvil | how do I get this to serve up DNS to the USB network? |
| 23:44.21 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, still not surprised :P |
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| 23:52.30 | Macer | hm. so. |
| 23:52.40 | Macer | $150 for all my xbox 360 mods |
