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| 00:19.48 | crashanddie | hey, if ebooks get people reading again, I'm all for it |
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| 00:22.57 | crashanddie | I'd like people to be inspired by Billy's Blues, as if a muse of Langston Hughes, I want John Keats to display his poetic feats, so that people are attracted to the greats of W. B. Yeats. Just get a fix of Emily Dickenson and inject yourself some litterary genius of W. E. B., maybe even get lost within the lines of Robert Frost. Maybe you need to feel Emerson, Tennyson, Stevenson, cuz in the end, it's only about what you read, |
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| 00:29.52 | GAN900 | Hooray ebooks |
| 00:30.22 | GAN900 | Reads thousands of them on Maemo |
| 00:30.23 | GAN900 | Ironic since I make a living selling real books. :P |
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| 00:31.36 | SpeedEvil | ebooks are real! |
| 00:31.47 | SpeedEvil | In some ways I prefer ebooks to 'real' ones. |
| 00:31.59 | SpeedEvil | I can grep them, and hotlinks works. |
| 00:32.02 | SpeedEvil | work |
| 00:32.30 | SpeedEvil | also - of course - I can't easily fit a million books in my pocket any other way. |
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| 00:36.12 | jacekowski | i prefer paper as such |
| 00:36.17 | GAN900 | Yeah, I prefer it for disposable stuff |
| 00:36.26 | jacekowski | i mean physical piece of paper that i can make notes on |
| 00:36.29 | jacekowski | and that sort of things |
| 00:36.36 | jacekowski | i always print all my datasheets |
| 00:36.36 | GAN900 | But I like real books when they've value beyond the printed text. |
| 00:36.52 | jacekowski | i have notes, bookmarks, some highlighed things |
| 00:37.05 | jacekowski | and i can have couple pages open at the same time |
| 00:37.13 | GAN900 | I can't begin to fathom highlighting or margin writing. |
| 00:37.38 | jacekowski | well, in my case it's ussualy separate piece of paper with notes |
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| 00:38.08 | jacekowski | and every single page of notes is scanned |
| 00:38.13 | jacekowski | so i can always recover it |
| 00:38.55 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 00:39.02 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yeah - that's usefufl - being able to doodle is a good idea |
| 00:39.04 | MohammadAG | need to stick the magnet on the battery cover back to it |
| 00:39.53 | jacekowski | i was thinking about buying that pen that automaticaly scans whatever you write |
| 00:40.24 | SpeedEvil | I am using n900 more and more for that sort of stuff |
| 00:40.37 | jacekowski | i need piece of paper |
| 00:40.39 | SpeedEvil | It'd be so nice if there was an easy way to categorise photos |
| 00:40.49 | SpeedEvil | I mean bit of paper + pen + pic |
| 00:41.13 | SpeedEvil | A teeny whiteboard like thing would be awesome. |
| 00:41.47 | SpeedEvil | especially if you could automagically 'print' it from the phone. |
| 00:41.58 | jacekowski | partialy that's reason why i really like IDA |
| 00:42.12 | jacekowski | because it's really easy to add some notes to it |
| 00:42.37 | jacekowski | and with my set of scripts i can automaticaly pull out notes that are attached to specific routine |
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| 00:43.15 | jacekowski | only problem is searching trough that sort of notes |
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| 00:43.19 | Macer | ugh |
| 00:43.26 | Macer | damn comcast is down AGAIN |
| 00:43.28 | jacekowski | because my handwriting is so bad that i have problems reading it |
| 00:43.53 | Macer | the place i moved to.. they seem to have 2hr+ outages once a week |
| 00:44.45 | jacekowski | karma? |
| 00:44.49 | Macer | maybe |
| 00:45.05 | Macer | but it is starting to drive me nuts |
| 00:45.17 | jacekowski | what am i supposed to say |
| 00:45.20 | jacekowski | i have BT |
| 00:45.33 | Macer | and the worst part is i call tech support and they are still with the old address |
| 00:45.38 | Macer | fuck! |
| 00:45.43 | jacekowski | and they have "fair usage policy" |
| 00:45.57 | Macer | not on business class lines |
| 00:46.01 | Macer | you lease them |
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| 00:46.06 | Macer | unlimited |
| 00:46.06 | jacekowski | that says if i download more than 100G in last 30 days my speed is limited from 17:00 to 23:00 |
| 00:46.30 | jacekowski | i don't have £300/month to spend on leased line |
| 00:46.44 | Macer | its actually around 150 |
| 00:46.53 | Macer | but for that much money |
| 00:47.04 | Macer | i should never go down |
| 00:47.19 | jacekowski | well, when you buy leased line from BT |
| 00:47.29 | jacekowski | it has 100% SLA |
| 00:47.53 | jacekowski | and if it fails you get whole month for free |
| 00:49.41 | Macer | well |
| 00:49.52 | Macer | i will call comcast and ask them if that is the case |
| 00:50.01 | Macer | this is the 3rd time in like a month |
| 00:50.15 | Macer | still down |
| 00:50.19 | Macer | and i am not home |
| 00:50.32 | Macer | which makes it worse because it could be a power outage |
| 00:50.53 | Macer | FUCK |
| 00:50.55 | jacekowski | do you want to buy a generator? |
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| 00:52.26 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 00:52.29 | jacekowski | time to sleep |
| 00:56.28 | MohammadAG | argh for fuck's sake |
| 00:56.48 | MohammadAG | I need glue to stick the N900's magnet |
| 00:57.18 | SpeedEvil | boils up a hedgehog to make glue. |
| 00:58.40 | b-man | LMFAO |
| 00:59.52 | MohammadAG | calls animal cruelty |
| 01:02.39 | b-man | hides the bucket of hedgehog glue from animal cruelty |
| 01:03.28 | b-man | gives it to Macer |
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| 01:23.41 | WormFood | god damn it! I STILL can't get my N800 working right, after charging it all night. :( |
| 01:24.49 | asj | WormFood: get a replacement bat? |
| 01:24.58 | WormFood | yeah |
| 01:25.07 | asj | ah well, time to buy an n900 ;)_ |
| 01:25.07 | WormFood | internal backup battery |
| 01:25.12 | WormFood | main battery is still good |
| 01:25.34 | WormFood | fuck no! There is no god damn way I will EVER buy another Nokia product, after they fucked me on my N85 phone! |
| 01:25.59 | asj | huh, I liked my n85 |
| 01:26.27 | WormFood | I liked mine too, until it quit working, and they wouldn't repair it under warranty (and it broke under warranty) |
| 01:26.39 | WormFood | they want about 10% of the price of the phone to repair it. |
| 01:26.46 | asj | ah well, time to find another device then |
| 01:27.00 | merlincorey | or find the repair manuals and a swedish parts supplier |
| 01:27.06 | merlincorey | I mean seriously this isn't that complicated :P |
| 01:27.29 | asj | swedish? I've had good luck with chinese ones |
| 01:27.35 | WormFood | I can get the parts here. I live in Shenzhen China...you can get just about anything here |
| 01:27.47 | WormFood | my N85 came from HK...it isn't the same as the Chinese model |
| 01:28.09 | asj | ah, intl warranty service |
| 01:28.15 | WormFood | the Chinese N85 does not have a front mounted camera, 3G or wifi....and the HK model does |
| 01:28.40 | WormFood | NOW it is out of warranty....but the fact is, they refused to repair it under warranty....because of that, I will never buy another nokia product, |
| 01:29.05 | WormFood | AND, every nokia product I own, has one problem or another |
| 01:29.07 | asj | WormFood: very few companies do good intl warranty service (yes ok HK is barely intl, but ayays) |
| 01:29.30 | WormFood | I tried to get it repaired in Shenzhen, and HK....I got fucked both times |
| 01:29.46 | WormFood | that clearly tells me they don't want my business. |
| 01:29.50 | asj | what's wrong with it? |
| 01:30.35 | WormFood | problems with the screen |
| 01:30.48 | WormFood | at first, it just went to solid white, and got hot after a while. |
| 01:31.00 | asj | and don't tell me, they want about $30/40 to fix it right? |
| 01:31.15 | WormFood | now it is in various colors...and can't see clearly |
| 01:31.21 | WormFood | they want closer to about $45 to fix it |
| 01:31.50 | WormFood | well, in the local currency, it is closer to about $250.....but in USD it is between $40 and $45 |
| 01:31.58 | asj | I can see why you're annoyed. that's about the price of the screen and no labour <shrug> |
| 01:32.15 | WormFood | it isn't the screen that is bad (at least, I don't think it is) |
| 01:33.50 | asj | changing the screen is the easiest and cheapest place to start, even it's the cable |
| 01:34.08 | WormFood | they claimed the cable went bad |
| 01:35.45 | WormFood | I don't give a fuck what is bad....the fact is, I should not have to pay to repair a piece of equipment that is under warranty, and broke due to quality and workmanship (not because I fucked up) |
| 01:39.46 | asj | mmm, I would have thought HK service would have fixed it |
| 01:39.57 | WormFood | they didn't |
| 01:40.27 | SpeedEvil | WormFood: International warranty service is variable. |
| 01:40.27 | asj | such is life, life's too short, time to move on :) |
| 01:40.46 | SpeedEvil | Many companies will not service under warranty models bought overseas |
| 01:40.59 | WormFood | I consider it a lesson learned....never buy nokia again. |
| 01:41.25 | WormFood | SpeedEvil, it has warranty support in all of china, hk and macau....that is where I bought it....I didn't buy it in usa, then take it to china. |
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| 01:42.05 | asj | the only 2 brands I've ever had do intl warranty service is ibm and Shure, and that's one of ibm's selling points of course. |
| 01:42.52 | asj | (assuming you buy a product that had intl warranty service, not all did) |
| 01:43.26 | WormFood | well, this has a 1 year warranty in ALL of China, and they didn't honor the warranty, when it broke due to no fault of my own. |
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| 01:43.48 | asj | WormFood: and you bought it through an authorized retailer? |
| 01:43.52 | WormFood | therefore, FUCK NOKIA! They clearly don't want my business every again. |
| 01:44.08 | rafaelbrandao | good evening |
| 01:44.14 | WormFood | does it matter where I bought it? it is nokia. I'm pretty sure I bought it through an authorized reseller, but not 100% sure. |
| 01:44.24 | asj | WormFood: it maters very much |
| 01:44.26 | SpeedEvil | WormFood: SO what are you doing here? |
| 01:44.43 | asj | SpeedEvil: his n800 died |
| 01:44.46 | rafaelbrandao | what's going on? |
| 01:44.47 | WormFood | what do you mean SpeedEvil? |
| 01:44.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:45.03 | WormFood | my N800 does not work right. |
| 01:45.21 | SpeedEvil | I read a non-maemo model |
| 01:45.25 | WormFood | try to use it the other day, and it has problems. I replaced the internal battery, and still has the same problems. |
| 01:47.13 | asj | probably not the battery ;) |
| 01:48.34 | WormFood | the old battery was corroded, so I strongly suspect it is. It was working fine before, and last time I go to use it, it gives me problems. |
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| 01:49.52 | rafaelbrandao | I'm trying to run a compiled c program generated by a shell script on my n810 but it says this: "error while loading shared libraries: libfprint.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 01:50.37 | rafaelbrandao | and I can't get the shell script, it's most unreadable, and that error doesn't help me to find where that file should have been. :( |
| 01:50.44 | e-yes | fprint - finger print? |
| 01:51.30 | rafaelbrandao | yep |
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| 01:53.25 | tripzero | where is a good place to upload my gpg pub key so maemo will accept my package? |
| 01:53.41 | Termana | good morning |
| 01:54.59 | GeneralAntilles | tripzero, just use the web interface? |
| 01:55.24 | tripzero | GeneralAntilles, not ssh key, pgp key |
| 01:55.51 | tripzero | the web interface still tries to validate your package's signature |
| 01:56.05 | tripzero | well, the web interface doesn't, but whatever comes next |
| 01:56.12 | tripzero | i suppose I don't sign my packages? |
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| 01:57.44 | tripzero | or are you saying i can upload my pgp key through a web interface? |
| 02:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | I was saying not bother signing |
| 02:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | Because I think it may require intervention by an admin to add it at this point. |
| 02:01.10 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm not sure |
| 02:01.15 | GeneralAntilles | and probably the wrong person to be answering. |
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| 02:04.29 | tripzero | tries not signing |
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| 02:11.49 | tripzero | qmake-qt4 not found |
| 02:11.51 | tripzero | lame |
| 02:11.53 | tripzero | haha |
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| 02:15.18 | tripzero | hmm.. forgot to pull in libqt4-dev |
| 02:18.10 | tripzero | yay, success |
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| 02:23.18 | WormFood | ok, I just reflashed my N800, but I notice a lot of the programs I had installed before are not available in the online package list. I remember installing from another repository. Can anyone point me to this other repository? |
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| 02:50.27 | tripzero | hrm, does gpsd work on the n900? |
| 02:51.13 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 02:51.24 | SpeedEvil | Well - not in that it has any nmea device to read. |
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| 02:51.33 | tripzero | boo |
| 02:51.34 | SpeedEvil | The standard device does not have a NMEA interface |
| 02:52.05 | SpeedEvil | They invented something else - rathe than what would be arguably saner - teach gpsd about agps |
| 02:52.33 | tripzero | heh |
| 02:52.58 | tripzero | i bet the gps chip in the n900 has some proprietary agps command set that cannot be opened |
| 02:53.07 | tripzero | and nokia probably doesn't care enough to make them open it |
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| 02:55.35 | tripzero | we have a similar problem for meego |
| 02:56.24 | smackpotato | can someone tell me if milestone overclock is portable to the n810 |
| 02:56.43 | tripzero | there's no standard way to feed agps data to the gps device |
| 02:56.47 | smackpotato | has anyone looked it |
| 02:58.07 | smackpotato | is there any online compilers |
| 02:59.17 | tripzero | anyone know if qt-mobility is in maemo? |
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| 03:00.54 | asj | tripzero: it does have an n900 backend |
| 03:01.16 | asj | tripzero: must be available in -devel at the very least eh? |
| 03:01.25 | tripzero | so i understand... but is it in the repos? can I build against it? |
| 03:01.28 | tripzero | checks |
| 03:05.09 | tripzero | i see 'qt mobile' crap |
| 03:06.45 | tripzero | nope, that didn't pull in qt-mobility |
| 03:07.42 | rafaelbrandao | how do I type ">" on n810? |
| 03:11.40 | rafaelbrandao | nevermind, just found it. :) |
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| 03:16.12 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | anyone else have trouble with WEP networks? |
| 03:16.21 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I think every WEP network I've tried so far I've not been able to connect to |
| 03:16.27 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | though WPA works flawlessly |
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| 03:23.22 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | hmmm. some people are saying enter a hexed version |
| 03:26.44 | asj | wep keys can be problematic |
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| 03:34.45 | tripzero | wep is insecure |
| 03:34.48 | tripzero | use wpa |
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| 03:41.58 | tripzero | where do .desktop files go for apps? |
| 03:42.07 | tripzero | to show up in the launcher deal |
| 03:46.43 | luke-jr | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: crashanddie told you to change your default nick |
| 03:46.46 | luke-jr | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: WEP works fine here |
| 03:49.25 | GAN900 | luke-jr, has that N900 placed its implants in your brain yet? |
| 03:49.33 | luke-jr | GAN900: no? |
| 03:49.58 | GAN900 | luke-jr, so you think. Eeexcellent. |
| 03:50.07 | luke-jr | .... |
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| 04:22.10 | luke-jr | GAN900: only grey matter in there... wtf did I disassembly my head for, you liar?? |
| 04:22.30 | GAN900 | luke-jr, too late for you. |
| 04:22.37 | luke-jr | crap, it's leaking out :( |
| 04:22.38 | GAN900 | Nokia has you in its snare now |
| 04:22.45 | luke-jr | maybe I should go to the ER.. |
| 04:22.53 | dotblank | I'm looking for icons to use in my app |
| 04:23.06 | GAN900 | dotblank, what sort of icons? |
| 04:23.22 | dotblank | like the hildon icons |
| 04:23.27 | dotblank | close and maximize |
| 04:23.32 | dotblank | and the back button |
| 04:23.48 | dotblank | I want to implement my app in fullscreen |
| 04:25.04 | GAN900 | What are you doing it in? |
| 04:25.09 | dotblank | Qt |
| 04:25.21 | GAN900 | Hrm |
| 04:25.26 | tripzero | boo |
| 04:25.39 | GAN900 | What's a good example Qt application that uses default iconsets? |
| 04:25.52 | dotblank | I was thinking of setting an icon to a QPushbutton set flat and use an icon.. it looks fairly well so I think I'll stick with it |
| 04:25.56 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 04:25.57 | tripzero | libmeegotouch-dev is available to build against, but it requires libcontextsubscriber-dev which isn't available? |
| 04:25.59 | tripzero | boo |
| 04:26.03 | tripzero | :( |
| 04:26.32 | asj | theming of Qt apps should happen automatically with qt-maemo builds, on the device make sure to use run-stantalone |
| 04:27.01 | dotblank | yes but it is fullscreen and I want to use the current themes icons in my app |
| 04:27.09 | dotblank | is there a path or location to it? |
| 04:27.28 | dotblank | like a symlink to hildon icons |
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| 04:28.17 | asj | dotblank: ah I see, look on the phone, it should pop out fairly easily |
| 04:28.34 | dotblank | just found some |
| 04:28.35 | dotblank | /opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon |
| 04:28.53 | dotblank | not sure what the icon size it normally is? |
| 04:29.41 | asj | worse case, set the widget size and it let it scale the icon |
| 04:30.18 | RST38h | "The rule, announced by the US Coast Guard, forbids 'photographers and reporters and anyone else from coming within 65 feet of any response vessel or booms out on the water or on beaches." |
| 04:31.25 | asj | 65 must have been picked my commitee |
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| 04:34.16 | Macer | well |
| 04:34.29 | Macer | seems like comcast has yet another huge outage |
| 04:34.55 | Macer | so now i am screwed .. thanks comcast! |
| 04:35.07 | RST38h | asj: it was 300 first =) |
| 04:37.03 | asj | RST38h: mmm, and I dunno, I could see the coast guards point of view. Imagin photographers 20m away when you're trying to do work, it could be a pain. Especially if you're trying to lay down booms and wake, etc is being a pain. |
| 04:37.54 | WormFood | if they specify "anyone else" then why also mention "'photographers and reporters"? |
| 04:38.50 | WormFood | shouldn't the wording be to prohibit anyone from ____ |
| 04:38.58 | asj | http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/726955/ |
| 04:39.03 | asj | WormFood: they don't |
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| 04:41.01 | asj | basically it says "No one is allowed within 20m of oil cleanup and booming operations, if it's in an area that can't be helped do so at a respectful speed. Or get fined $40,000" |
| 04:41.26 | WormFood | I find it interesting that it is "20 meters" since most americans don't know what the fuck a meter is! They don't even teach metric system in skewl anymore. (I know, my cousins just graduated from high skewl a few years ago, and they don't have a clue about the metric system)....the only kids in school who know the metric system, and the ones doing and dealing drugs |
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| 04:42.17 | derf | What the hell do you need to "teach" for the metric system? |
| 04:42.24 | derf | Everything's a multiple of 10. |
| 04:42.26 | derf | -= The End =- |
| 04:42.33 | luke-jr | metric sucks |
| 04:42.34 | asj | WormFood: you always find something to complain about eh? This I assume also applies to intl waters |
| 04:42.36 | luke-jr | as does decimal |
| 04:43.02 | WormFood | still, need to learn what the metric system...also need to learn the weights and volumes and distances |
| 04:43.20 | luke-jr | I probably won't teach my kids metric |
| 04:43.24 | luke-jr | but who knows |
| 04:43.36 | WormFood | most people (americans) don't think in meters....you can't ask "how far away is that?", and expect them to be able to answer in meters, but probably could in feet, or yards |
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| 04:43.48 | asj | derf: what is a km? what's 100km? what's 60miles? It's all irrelevant. 100km takes an hour at 100kph, 60miles takes 1 hour at 60mph, both are highway speeds. What's 75f? what's 25c? both are warm. |
| 04:43.49 | WormFood | I learned the metric system in school |
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| 04:44.36 | lpotter_ | learned how to spin albums at school |
| 04:44.42 | luke-jr | asj: to be fair, 100kph lets you go a little faster ;) |
| 04:44.59 | WormFood | the point is, most american's don't have a reference point for metric system, unless you work with it on a daily basis |
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| 04:45.15 | derf | If you're at sea, you're expected to know these things. |
| 04:45.32 | derf | They also use "nautical miles" and "knots", which you're expected to know as well. |
| 04:45.35 | asj | WormFood: dude, it's not like the coast guard is going to be going around with meter sticks... |
| 04:45.37 | WormFood | not if you're american....if you're american, you expect the rest of the world to conform to you |
| 04:45.48 | lpotter_ | should ave made it in cubits to make everybidy think about it |
| 04:45.53 | luke-jr | lol |
| 04:45.55 | WormFood | indeed lpotter_ |
| 04:46.04 | luke-jr | is switching to tonal |
| 04:46.07 | WormFood | or, put it in light years |
| 04:46.17 | WormFood | .0000000000000000000325 light years |
| 04:46.18 | derf | Nautical miles might as well be cubits. |
| 04:46.19 | asj | lpotter_: that explains the pic... |
| 04:46.29 | luke-jr | WormFood: timmills |
| 04:46.51 | WormFood | what are you talking about luke-jr? |
| 04:46.58 | WormFood | that is a length? |
| 04:47.02 | WormFood | or a name? |
| 04:47.06 | luke-jr | WormFood: length unit |
| 04:47.18 | WormFood | named after "Tim Mills"? |
| 04:47.19 | asj | WormFood: he knows how to use "units" |
| 04:47.20 | luke-jr | no |
| 04:47.36 | luke-jr | tim/mill |
| 04:48.17 | RST38h | does not know what 75oF is |
| 04:48.45 | asj | RST38h: but what does 25c mean? |
| 04:48.54 | luke-jr | in lengths, a timmill is 1 / 0x10000 of the Earth's circumference |
| 04:49.19 | luke-jr | I think |
| 04:49.19 | RST38h | vaguely remembers that 72oF is 22oC, but that has been learned |
| 04:49.32 | RST38h | asj: 25oC is what is currently outside. |
| 04:49.41 | WormFood | what temp is -40 C in F? |
| 04:49.50 | lpotter_ | -40 |
| 04:49.57 | RST38h | WormFood: Table says is it -40 |
| 04:49.58 | WormFood | yes, -40 |
| 04:50.05 | RST38h | they meet at that point |
| 04:50.09 | WormFood | that is correct....-40 is the same in both C and F |
| 04:50.20 | asj | but what does -40 mean? it's freaking cold |
| 04:50.31 | RST38h | asj: -40oC means -40oC. |
| 04:50.32 | WormFood | it means you're freezing your balls off |
| 04:50.46 | RST38h | asj: What is your point in asking what it means? |
| 04:51.10 | WormFood | it is all relative anyways |
| 04:51.22 | lpotter_ | -40 would be warm on Pluto |
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| 04:51.49 | WormFood | on a dog? I think -40 would still be cold, even on a cartoon dog |
| 04:52.39 | asj | RST38h: the actual number is meaningless, it's what the value implies to you. Unit system tend of have little effect on out everyday life (a few professions exluded). To the average person it's used to judge warm/cold, near/far, fasst/slow, etc. |
| 04:52.50 | Macer | ugh |
| 04:52.54 | luke-jr | a timmill is approximately 2002.207 feet or 610.27269375 meters |
| 04:52.55 | Macer | thank god for tethering |
| 04:52.58 | luke-jr | (metric meters) |
| 04:53.00 | Macer | comcast says it is some sort of power problem |
| 04:53.29 | Macer | mobilehotspot seems to do a pretty good job though so meh. kind of sucks tho because i'm sure a thousand emails are being missed right now :) |
| 04:54.17 | luke-jr | WormFood: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/chores/units.html#hex_length |
| 04:54.33 | RST38h | asj: Good |
| 04:54.50 | RST38h | asj: So, see, metric values mean something to me, and imperial ones do not. |
| 04:54.59 | RST38h | asj: As simple as that |
| 04:55.14 | WormFood | it seems very binary friendly |
| 04:55.25 | luke-jr | asj: tonal Temps have 16 values for everyday use |
| 04:55.38 | luke-jr | WormFood: tonal is a base 16 system |
| 04:55.53 | asj | luke-jr: what temperature is grunt? and is grunt grunt burb really hot? |
| 04:56.00 | luke-jr | ... |
| 04:57.10 | derf | asj: "a few professionals excluded"... you mean, like, sailors? |
| 04:58.35 | asj | derf: <shrug> not really 20m at sea is pretty darn close, and if you're plotting a course it's just what your tools/maps are marked at |
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| 04:59.43 | luke-jr | WormFood: do note not all units on my page are from tonal :) |
| 04:59.53 | derf | I can assure you if you're trying to navigate a channel, you need to actually know what those numbers mean. |
| 04:59.56 | luke-jr | WormFood: the "Length" heading links to the Tonal System book, though |
| 04:59.57 | WormFood | yeah, I noticed...still interesting |
| 05:00.13 | RST38h | asj: You are somewhat wrong :) |
| 05:00.23 | asj | derf: I was thinking more like a CivE, or something who might be converting between types of units frequently, or what combination means something different |
| 05:00.45 | RST38h | Plenty of people like that |
| 05:00.55 | asj | derf: for example a slug := lb/something if you want imperial |
| 05:01.01 | RST38h | Like...yourself driving, following map directions |
| 05:01.04 | derf | RST38h: Basically everyone I know. |
| 05:01.12 | RST38h | derf: exactly ;) |
| 05:01.34 | derf | That's got to be at least 6 people. |
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| 05:03.03 | luke-jr | WormFood: do you use Facebook? |
| 05:03.09 | asj | <shrug> |
| 05:03.12 | WormFood | no |
| 05:03.21 | WormFood | luckly Facebook is blocked in China ;) |
| 05:03.36 | WormFood | I can go to facebook (I run a vpn), I just don't use it |
| 05:03.46 | RST38h | ...as well as most of the Net? =) |
| 05:04.34 | derf | Ah, you're in China. No wonder you have such a dim view of Americans. |
| 05:06.10 | WormFood | heh |
| 05:06.17 | WormFood | what makes you think I'm not American? |
| 05:06.42 | derf | I very intentionally did not say "you're Chinese". |
| 05:06.49 | WormFood | actually, I don't have a dim view of Americans....I just know how most Americans think |
| 05:07.08 | WormFood | I know you didn't say I'm Chinese....but maybe I am....and maybe I'm American :P |
| 05:07.35 | WormFood | or maybe I'm neither |
| 05:07.39 | asj | WormFood: we don't care |
| 05:07.49 | derf | It doesn't actually matter for the point I was making. |
| 05:07.59 | WormFood | "we"? You have a mouse in your pocket asj? |
| 05:08.27 | WormFood | ææ¯ç¾å½äºº |
| 05:09.08 | dotblank | Is there a way to determine the theme from the command line on the n900 |
| 05:09.23 | dotblank | or rather the current themes image locations |
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| 05:15.43 | dotblank | Is there a way to lunch the task menu? |
| 05:15.51 | dotblank | launch* |
| 05:15.56 | dotblank | fromt he command line? |
| 05:17.14 | slonopotamus | wants alt+f2 on n900 |
| 05:17.25 | asj | dotblank: have a look through dbus, you might fine something |
| 05:18.57 | MiXu-_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.08 | slonopotamus | MiXu-_: _widget_ cannot do that. the point of alt+f2 is that i don't need to think where my focus is |
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| 05:22.07 | MiXu-_ | Yes, but what a widget can do, is eliminate the time needed to separately start xterm |
| 05:22.33 | slonopotamus | and if you bothered to return to desktop in order to use widget, you could just lauch app from menu as easily |
| 05:23.37 | MiXu-_ | If you have a shortcut for the app, then why would you even want to start it from cli? |
| 05:23.44 | MiXu-_ | The keyboard is nice but it's not _that_ fast to type on |
| 05:23.51 | slonopotamus | because alt+f2, "fire", enter is faster |
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| 05:24.04 | slonopotamus | (and that would launch firefox) |
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| 05:26.02 | slonopotamus | that's especially useful for non-everyday apps that i know by name but fail to remember what app folder they belong to. |
| 05:26.26 | Macer | wow |
| 05:26.30 | Macer | comcast is so screwed in this area |
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| 05:26.44 | kerio | ctrl+shift+x and type microb |
| 05:27.18 | slonopotamus | fails to press that |
| 05:27.43 | kerio | exactly |
| 05:27.47 | kerio | :/ |
| 05:28.10 | slonopotamus | ctrl+shift is extremely hard to do on n900 |
| 05:28.57 | rafaelbrandao | how can I get enough permission to access /proc/bus/usb (/dev/bus/usb) on n810 (OS2008)? any suggestions? |
| 05:29.19 | kerio | yeah, you need two hands in an awkward position |
| 05:29.26 | slonopotamus | rafaelbrandao: chmod? |
| 05:29.28 | kerio | rafaelbrandao: sudo |
| 05:29.35 | rafaelbrandao | I'm sudo already. |
| 05:29.37 | flux | hildon-modified supports using ctrl-fn-shortcuts in place of those |
| 05:29.55 | flux | (not that I'd have tried it, just browsing its wiki page) |
| 05:30.03 | kerio | what's hildon-modified? |
| 05:30.17 | rafaelbrandao | "You have no permissions to access /proc/bus/usb (/dev/bus/usb). Solution depends on distro. On Gentoo you should add your user to usb group. Same solution should be applicable for other distros. Invoke mount | grep usb" |
| 05:30.19 | flux | http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop |
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| 05:31.24 | flux | rafaelbrandao, do you actually have /proc/bus/usb? |
| 05:32.50 | rafaelbrandao | how can I check it? |
| 05:38.48 | Corsac_ | rafaelbrandao: ls? |
| 05:39.43 | rafaelbrandao | then yes. there actually have /proc/bus/usb |
| 05:40.15 | rafaelbrandao | same for /dev/bus/usb |
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| 05:56.41 | h0n3st | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:58.58 | MiXu-_ | Thanks for letting us know, h0n3st! |
| 05:59.07 | MiXu-_ | ;) |
| 06:00.37 | h0n3st | MiXu-_, It is your right to know :-P |
| 06:01.58 | zash | http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 06:16.16 | ponyofdeath | anyone know whats up with the upstart package missing sysvinit-utils missing dependencies? |
| 06:18.04 | slonopotamus | ponyofdeath: that's normal situation in maemo |
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| 06:20.25 | Juozapas | hi |
| 06:20.46 | Juozapas | maemo supports skype video call ? |
| 06:20.56 | tripzero | yes |
| 06:21.04 | tripzero | as of pr1.2 |
| 06:21.21 | Juozapas | where i can find those new freatures ? |
| 06:22.33 | Juozapas | *features |
| 06:22.52 | kerio | what about umts video calling? i didn't see it anywhere in the menu |
| 06:22.54 | tripzero | when you touch a skype contact |
| 06:23.00 | tripzero | you should have the option for "video call" |
| 06:23.10 | tripzero | umts? |
| 06:23.30 | kerio | you know, the normal video calling |
| 06:23.33 | kerio | the one that sucks |
| 06:23.36 | Juozapas | :DD |
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| 06:30.42 | ShadowJK | No video call support |
| 06:30.46 | ShadowJK | only internet video calls |
| 06:31.26 | Juozapas | where i found version of meamo on my phone ? |
| 06:31.32 | Juozapas | *can i |
| 06:31.41 | timeless_mbp | settings>about... |
| 06:32.19 | Juozapas | maemo 5 |
| 06:32.26 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 06:32.30 | timeless_mbp | you want the longer string |
| 06:32.34 | Juozapas | oh 10.2010.19-1 |
| 06:32.35 | MiXu-_ | Oo. BlessN900 + HDR seems pretty nice |
| 06:32.37 | Juozapas | this one |
| 06:32.39 | timeless_mbp | your n900 is unlikely to ever not say maemo 5 |
| 06:32.39 | Juozapas | its newest ? |
| 06:32.40 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 06:32.42 | kerio | MiXu-_: did you try it? |
| 06:32.43 | timeless_mbp | that's 1.2 |
| 06:32.45 | kerio | it kinda sucks for me |
| 06:32.45 | kerio | :/ |
| 06:33.01 | MiXu-_ | kerio: Yeah. Seems to work ok. What was your problem? |
| 06:33.07 | kerio | the photos are ugly |
| 06:33.19 | timeless_mbp | everyone's a critic |
| 06:33.41 | MiXu-_ | kerio: I set the color vividness to normal and that helped. |
| 06:33.58 | shorter | when calling a cell from a SIP phone for example, why doesn't the real phone number of the SIP phone show up on the cell? |
| 06:33.58 | trip900 | m e e g h o |
| 06:33.59 | MiXu-_ | Also, you need to have the N900 on a stand or desk or something when taking the picture |
| 06:34.14 | kerio | oh, i see |
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| 06:34.38 | MiXu-_ | Because if I've understood it correctly, it takes several pictures |
| 06:35.52 | flux | my experience has been succiness as well (with BlessN900) |
| 06:36.13 | flux | but perhaps I should adjust some of the parameters (there are not many, so by that I mean 'brightness') |
| 06:37.24 | Juozapas | how to install midnight commander ? |
| 06:37.32 | MiXu-_ | Well I'm not saying it's perfect. It just seems to me there's potential :) |
| 06:38.52 | kerio | Juozapas: apt-get install mc |
| 06:39.11 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
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| 06:40.07 | dotblank | Ok so here is a quick mockup of the new ui im going to be using witrh my grooveshark client |
| 06:40.10 | dotblank | http://imgur.com/oWMqH.png |
| 06:40.28 | dotblank | its not done yet but it has some more things to add to it and replace some of those ugly buttons |
| 06:40.41 | Stskeeps | neat |
| 06:40.58 | dotblank | Also need to adjsut the way the layout spaces out the elements |
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| 06:44.45 | timeless_mbp | woohoo |
| 06:45.01 | timeless_mbp | has centos grabbing fremantle12 sources using apt-get source :) |
| 06:45.23 | timeless_mbp | offers dotblank an integrated spellchecker |
| 06:45.46 | dotblank | pssh spellcheck takes too long |
| 06:45.47 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: 1. please place the toolbar *below* everything |
| 06:46.18 | timeless_mbp | 2. the search box is traditionally the row right above the toolbar |
| 06:46.19 | dotblank | ah well my idea was to place the progress bar on the very bottom and when you click it pops up witht he controls |
| 06:46.35 | timeless_mbp | 3. progress can be stuck into the titlebar if you like |
| 06:46.36 | MiXu-_ | Hmm. Ok actually the HDR images are really sucky. It's not obvious from N900 screen. |
| 06:46.40 | MiXu-_ | But on PC... |
| 06:46.42 | timeless_mbp | or you can use an infobanner |
| 06:46.59 | timeless_mbp | 4. 'online' is a huge waste of space, stick it into the titlebar |
| 06:47.22 | dotblank | online gets removed when you are searching |
| 06:47.27 | timeless_mbp | 5. the wrench shouldn't be something people need to access often |
| 06:47.33 | timeless_mbp | so it should be a menuitem, not a button |
| 06:47.43 | dotblank | menuitem button where? |
| 06:47.59 | timeless_mbp | when you tap the app title, of course :) |
| 06:48.07 | dotblank | this is ment to run full screen I plan to replace the ".." witha radio button |
| 06:48.43 | dotblank | like "radio" as in music radio station |
| 06:48.48 | dotblank | icon |
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| 06:50.16 | timeless_mbp | â¦. a wrench should not be in the toolbar |
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| 06:50.31 | timeless_mbp | if your design requires a user to frequently change settings, you're doing something wrong |
| 06:50.33 | dotblank | hmm... |
| 06:50.49 | dotblank | Im trying to think where I would put it |
| 06:51.01 | timeless_mbp | i don't think you need to use full screen |
| 06:51.11 | timeless_mbp | look at how app manager and friends do live search |
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| 06:51.28 | dotblank | hmm |
| 06:51.54 | Wolfie | timeless_mbp: app manager's search is highly unintuitive |
| 06:52.01 | Wolfie | there's no indication of live searching capabilities |
| 06:52.18 | timeless_mbp | Wolfie: platforms have conventions |
| 06:52.34 | timeless_mbp | the `brilliant` people behind the n900 platform chose this convention |
| 06:52.43 | dotblank | well its more of a submission box. a live search may not functionw ell with network requests |
| 06:52.46 | timeless_mbp | it's present throughout |
| 06:53.04 | timeless_mbp | it works in addressbook, email, the home screen, the call app |
| 06:53.45 | mneptok | timeless_mbp: your nick seems familiar ... |
| 06:53.56 | dotblank | Yea but from a usability standpoint I don't think it will function as well |
| 06:54.01 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: then it should work like the browser find bar which again is placed at the bottom |
| 06:54.15 | mneptok | timeless_mbp: were you a UDS attendee at some point? |
| 06:54.15 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: consistency with a platform is important |
| 06:54.15 | Wolfie | timeless_mbp: maybe, but i still thought someone had killed the search function in the manager. If a platform has the convention of crashing all the time, would you make a timed crash-convention to your application, too? |
| 06:54.35 | timeless_mbp | Wolfie: yes |
| 06:54.40 | kerio | are there guidelines UI for maemo? |
| 06:54.42 | timeless_mbp | when the browser stopped crashing, we got yelled at |
| 06:54.49 | kerio | *UI guidelines of course |
| 06:54.50 | timeless_mbp | (seriously, it blocked shipping 1.2) |
| 06:54.52 | kerio | is still half asleep |
| 06:55.03 | dotblank | Well I don't think I can do a live search with this app.. it would make it send more network requests and prevent users from correcting search mistakes |
| 06:55.09 | kerio | timeless_mbp: huh? |
| 06:55.17 | dotblank | Its not a big deal on those other apps because search is fast |
| 06:55.24 | timeless_mbp | kerio: there was an addon to the browser which had a slow but persistent leak |
| 06:55.29 | dotblank | each search over wifi network requests take about 1.5 seconds |
| 06:55.43 | timeless_mbp | because the browser pre 1.2 crashed frequently enough, the leak was mostly harmless |
| 06:55.50 | kerio | timeless_mbp: hahaha |
| 06:55.50 | kerio | oh wow |
| 06:55.51 | timeless_mbp | when the browser stopped crashing shortly before 1.2 |
| 06:55.52 | mneptok | "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds ..." - Ralph Waldo Emerson |
| 06:55.57 | timeless_mbp | the system started falling over |
| 06:56.01 | timeless_mbp | and people blamed us |
| 06:56.09 | timeless_mbp | so we seriously considered adding a periodic crash |
| 06:56.28 | Wolfie | timeless_mbp: that's just sad |
| 06:56.28 | timeless_mbp | thankfully someone found the stupid addon and got their code to suck less |
| 06:56.31 | frals | kerio: forum nokia has the ui guidelines |
| 06:56.32 | kerio | yeah, why bother fixing a tube that leaks water |
| 06:56.36 | kerio | let's just blow up the house regularly |
| 06:56.57 | timeless_mbp | kerio: the key is that the tube isn't owned by the same group as the house |
| 06:57.04 | timeless_mbp | so all the house could do was start over |
| 06:57.18 | timeless_mbp | and people didn't blame the tube vendor, they blamed the house |
| 06:57.30 | timeless_mbp | a slightly better analogy is |
| 06:57.33 | timeless_mbp | "everyone out of the pool |
| 06:57.35 | timeless_mbp | " |
| 06:57.43 | timeless_mbp | why? oh, there's some yellow or brown stuff in it |
| 06:57.49 | timeless_mbp | is that stuff the pool's fault? |
| 06:57.51 | timeless_mbp | absolutely not |
| 06:57.59 | kerio | isn't microB opensource anyway? |
| 06:58.00 | timeless_mbp | but when you're kicked out of the pool, you blame the pool |
| 06:58.01 | kerio | also, *ew* |
| 06:58.13 | timeless_mbp | kerio: it wasn't microb's fault |
| 06:58.19 | timeless_mbp | it was an addon |
| 06:58.26 | Wolfie | timeless_mbp: anyways, back on track, the app manager example... I never said that the app manager's search implementation was bad. I just didn't know it was there. A search box that would've faded away, or something else, would've hinted me that there's a search function |
| 06:58.32 | timeless_mbp | and fwiw, nothing requires an addon to be open source |
| 06:58.41 | Wolfie | so I needed to come here and complain why someone had taken the search function away |
| 06:58.51 | timeless_mbp | Wolfie: i'm not going to say i *like* the platform conventions |
| 06:58.55 | timeless_mbp | just that they *are* the conventions |
| 06:59.06 | Wolfie | now, think about those frustrated who used the search function from the menu, updated to 1.2, and don't have access to #maemo |
| 06:59.10 | timeless_mbp | the people behind the n900 conventions did a lot of things w/ which i absolutely disagree |
| 06:59.19 | Wolfie | timeless_mbp: i understand. |
| 06:59.24 | timeless_mbp | Wolfie: hey, don't blame me :) |
| 06:59.25 | dotblank | Well I don;t think the live search convention would be usable in my app |
| 06:59.29 | timeless_mbp | but you could blog to remind people |
| 06:59.32 | Wolfie | timeless_mbp: i'm not blaming you a bit |
| 06:59.58 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: again, the apps which don't do live search use a find bar above the (optional) toolbar at the bottom of the screen |
| 07:00.01 | timeless_mbp | e.g. notes/browser |
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| 07:00.45 | dotblank | Ok but typical convention in media players is to have the player controls on the bottom |
| 07:00.49 | timeless_mbp | and again, i'm not saying that i necessarily like the designs |
| 07:00.57 | timeless_mbp | open the browser |
| 07:01.00 | timeless_mbp | exit full screen |
| 07:01.02 | timeless_mbp | try ctrl-f |
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| 07:01.37 | timeless_mbp | open notes, switch to rich text mode, try ctrl-f |
| 07:01.39 | dotblank | also note some of the conventions break portability |
| 07:01.47 | kerio | i still don't get why the first menu i get is not the one that i get when i'm on a page |
| 07:01.56 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 07:02.06 | timeless_mbp | you mean the bookmarks list? |
| 07:02.08 | kerio | yeah |
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| 07:02.13 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 07:02.17 | timeless_mbp | how much do you want to get? |
| 07:02.24 | timeless_mbp | knows where nearly all the skeletons are buried |
| 07:03.13 | kerio | timeless_mbp: some things are better left unknown |
| 07:03.26 | timeless_mbp | sure⦠i can omit pieces :) |
| 07:03.34 | kerio | lol |
| 07:03.40 | kerio | anyway, i get the "Find" bar in both places |
| 07:03.42 | timeless_mbp | still thinks kerio "is asking for it" |
| 07:04.17 | timeless_mbp | the short version is that the browser engine can take a little bit of time to start, and thus giving the user something to look at and pan through or dig through while the browser is starting was deemed a fairly good idea |
| 07:04.26 | kerio | haha what |
| 07:04.50 | kerio | that's... hideous |
| 07:04.58 | timeless_mbp | oh come on |
| 07:05.03 | kerio | why are you telling me this, my n900 was perfect when i bought it |
| 07:05.04 | timeless_mbp | you've been using maemo5 for more than a day |
| 07:05.06 | kerio | and now it's full fo bugs |
| 07:05.07 | Wolfie | kerio: a pretty common practice, actually |
| 07:05.09 | kerio | :'( |
| 07:05.12 | kerio | *of |
| 07:05.18 | timeless_mbp | it's called smoke and mirrors |
| 07:05.23 | timeless_mbp | and it's a very standard practice |
| 07:05.29 | kerio | i liked my smoke and mirrors! |
| 07:05.35 | timeless_mbp | you can keep them! |
| 07:05.45 | Wolfie | kerio: i've heard of confirm dialogues put in places where some actions have taken time, that actually don't do anything.... just to keep the user occupied |
| 07:05.46 | timeless_mbp | next time, don't ask why there's smoke ;-b |
| 07:05.52 | Wolfie | hides the load time, makes the application appear faster |
| 07:06.10 | timeless_mbp | that wouldn't shock me in the least |
| 07:06.12 | Wolfie | (the confirm dialogues didn't do anything, i mean) |
| 07:06.16 | dotblank | Wolfie, that sounds dishonest |
| 07:06.24 | Wolfie | dotblank: that's just practical psychology |
| 07:06.26 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: welcome to UX design |
| 07:06.38 | timeless_mbp | if the user thinks "oh, it's responsive, and responsibly waiting for me" |
| 07:06.47 | ShadowJK | hm, the external sd card on my N800 is actiny bad |
| 07:06.48 | dotblank | WEll say its like you hit "download" and a confirm dialog pops up |
| 07:06.49 | kerio | timeless_mbp: so... UX designers assume the user is a moron? :P |
| 07:06.51 | timeless_mbp | the user will not blame the program for the time elapsed before the user confirms |
| 07:06.59 | timeless_mbp | kerio: um⦠sure? |
| 07:06.59 | dotblank | and you want to time the download |
| 07:07.00 | ShadowJK | wonders if he wore it out or if the slot has gone bad |
| 07:07.06 | timeless_mbp | users ⦠are.... |
| 07:07.24 | timeless_mbp | users who want to time downloads *are* morons |
| 07:07.37 | kerio | it's a phone for nerds! |
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| 07:07.53 | timeless_mbp | it's practice for dealing w/ other kinds of morons :) |
| 07:07.54 | frals | users == morons, tis true |
| 07:07.56 | Wolfie | actually, let me dig up a very interesting talk |
| 07:07.56 | frals | confirms |
| 07:07.59 | dotblank | timeless_mbp, wait what? I think if my router had a connection that goes down down often and he needs to wait untill its back up |
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| 07:08.14 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: there's a url in the topic w/ logs |
| 07:08.31 | dotblank | and because he thought the confirm dialog started the download he is now confused |
| 07:08.52 | Wolfie | http://blog.businessofsoftware.org/2010/06/don-norman-at-business-of-software-2010.html |
| 07:08.55 | dotblank | especially when you try to debugg stuff |
| 07:08.56 | Wolfie | don norman is awesome |
| 07:09.30 | Wolfie | in that talk, he explains how you get people think extreme cold doesn't actually suck as much as it did |
| 07:09.31 | timeless_mbp | 0% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org (72.246.31.80)] |
| 07:09.34 | timeless_mbp | kicks r.m.o |
| 07:09.48 | timeless_mbp | ah, it's back |
| 07:09.49 | Wolfie | "it's all about the experience", as he puts it |
| 07:11.38 | dotblank | In referance to his example about the powerpoint presentation |
| 07:11.55 | dotblank | why not set the next button someone presses on the first slide as next |
| 07:12.19 | frals | err is it just me or has the weather in helsinki gone from blue sky to cloudy as hell in 15minutes? |
| 07:12.21 | dotblank | that way 90% would think it works the way they expect it |
| 07:12.48 | dotblank | Who is going to hit back whilst on the first slide? |
| 07:12.48 | Wolfie | dotblank: don't ask me, i'm not a professional UX designer. Just someone interested in the topic |
| 07:13.05 | Wolfie | and i guess that was totaly besides the point anyways |
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| 07:13.25 | Wolfie | it was more of a matter how people look at the world differently, and it's "simply obvious" |
| 07:13.38 | Wolfie | and you couldn't imagine thinking otherwise |
| 07:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | frals: that's your dark thoughts about users |
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| 07:13.52 | dotblank | I didn't see the video :) |
| 07:14.01 | dotblank | just read the text |
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| 07:14.10 | frals | DocScrutinizer: doh :( /me starts to think happy thoughts instead |
| 07:14.11 | dotblank | I'm too busy |
| 07:14.53 | timeless_mbp | frals: sure |
| 07:15.01 | timeless_mbp | and i missed the sky because i was watching the video |
| 07:15.17 | jacekowski | morning |
| 07:15.36 | frals | when i worked to the office it was sunny.. glad i brought my jacket anyway :P |
| 07:15.40 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: that's what i would do |
| 07:15.47 | timeless_mbp | auto tuning to the user |
| 07:16.08 | Wolfie | dotblank: watch the video too |
| 07:18.29 | frals | s/worked/walked/ |
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| 07:19.55 | Wolfie | heh, it's good to have vacation with all this nice weather :) |
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| 07:21.25 | timeless_mbp | nice weather? |
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| 07:21.38 | timeless_mbp | CTCP LOCATION |
| 07:22.10 | Wolfie | Raisio, finland |
| 07:22.38 | frals | btw where do you buy cheap cables in helsinki.. like hdmi and tp? |
| 07:22.48 | Wolfie | 23C, sunny through a veil of clouds. Not too cold, not too warm. Absolutely lovely |
| 07:22.57 | timeless_mbp | most people go to verkkokaupa for most thingss |
| 07:23.15 | Wolfie | i presume you have clas ohlson there, too? |
| 07:23.20 | timeless_mbp | we do |
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| 07:23.32 | Wolfie | or biltema, but those are most often not in the centre |
| 07:23.32 | frals | yeah, wonder if they are cheaper than verkkokauppa or not |
| 07:23.33 | timeless_mbp | kamppi |
| 07:23.44 | frals | kamppi and one cross the street from stockmann |
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| 07:28.26 | timeless_mbp | anyone recognize that nokia phone from the talk? |
| 07:28.34 | timeless_mbp | around minute 16 |
| 07:30.07 | timeless_mbp | 3.7G total |
| 07:30.17 | timeless_mbp | ok, that's the source size that i collected using apt-get source |
| 07:30.20 | timeless_mbp | for fremantle |
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| 07:34.19 | Macer | is that a lot or something? :) |
| 07:34.56 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 07:35.33 | timeless_mbp | i need to figure out if it's similar to the older fremantle |
| 07:35.48 | Kaadlajk | timeless_mbp: nokia 6620 |
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| 07:37.22 | timeless_mbp | thx |
| 07:41.08 | timeless_mbp | grins |
| 07:41.32 | timeless_mbp | @ 30:50 or so he says ~the worst thing you can do is clean up a messy person's office~ |
| 07:41.55 | Wolfie | gave me a warm fuzzy feeling, too |
| 07:42.06 | timeless_mbp | has had people "helpfully" clean things |
| 07:42.13 | timeless_mbp | i curse them for months thereafter |
| 07:45.12 | timeless_mbp | the glass/silver coffee maker is cool |
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| 07:47.19 | Wolfie | i've long drooled for a vacuum brewer, simply for the awesomeness factor |
| 07:47.25 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 07:47.29 | timeless_mbp | the sad thing is... |
| 07:47.41 | jacekowski | i don't drink anything except water and pepsi |
| 07:47.44 | timeless_mbp | i don't drink coffee, but i could still imagine getting that |
| 07:47.46 | Wolfie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxIs2GVsqgY |
| 07:47.50 | jacekowski | full fat and full sugar pepsi |
| 07:48.06 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i could imagine getting one of these pepsi machines |
| 07:48.14 | timeless_mbp | which ones? |
| 07:48.24 | timeless_mbp | have you seen the newer coke machines? |
| 07:48.26 | dotblank | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOvPeMAFDSk#t=00m43s |
| 07:48.34 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: newer? |
| 07:48.44 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i'm talking about that mcdonalds like thing |
| 07:48.49 | timeless_mbp | http://mass-customization.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83453b37069e20115705491e4970b-320wi |
| 07:49.00 | jacekowski | that's nice |
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| 07:49.24 | jacekowski | but i don't do pepsi |
| 07:49.27 | jacekowski | coke* |
| 07:49.31 | timeless_mbp | rotfl |
| 07:49.55 | jacekowski | seriously i can blindfolded tell a difference |
| 07:50.05 | jacekowski | pepsi is a lot sweeter |
| 07:50.27 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 07:50.30 | timeless_mbp | ETOOSWEET |
| 07:50.57 | timeless_mbp | 3.5Gfremantle-20091116/sdk/ |
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| 07:51.01 | jacekowski | i might have ETOOWARM today |
| 07:51.16 | jacekowski | fridge i had here has decided to give up |
| 07:51.27 | timeless_mbp | ouch |
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| 07:51.42 | timeless_mbp | i'm going to have ENOTV soon |
| 07:51.48 | timeless_mbp | my lcd has issues turning on |
| 07:51.51 | jacekowski | so i would have to use fridge that everybody else is using |
| 07:57.06 | frals | hmm, nice, welho has a package so i can get all the swedish channels |
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| 07:58.14 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:58.25 | frals | morning |
| 07:59.04 | timeless_mbp | t 48:43 is awesome |
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| 08:01.50 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, t 50:00 has the "keep people occupied" bit |
| 08:01.56 | timeless_mbp | which is what we were talking about for the browser |
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| 08:05.08 | nas_ | does anyone now if on easydebian -> debbie is there any way to have full screen ( without time / status / title bar ) |
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| 08:20.03 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 08:20.41 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember how to figure out the directory name that apt-get source will use |
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| 08:23.30 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: sourcename-sourceversion (without revision)? |
| 08:26.00 | timeless_mbp | [timeless@domU-12-31-39-0A-8C-36 fremantle12]$ cat mesa_7.1~RC3-0maemo1-recomp1.dsc |egrep 'Source|^Version'; ls -ld mesa-7.1~RC3-0maemo1 |
| 08:26.01 | timeless_mbp | Source: mesa |
| 08:26.01 | timeless_mbp | Version: 7.1~RC3-0maemo1-recomp1 |
| 08:26.01 | timeless_mbp | drwxrwxr-x 3 timeless timeless 4096 Nov 13 2008 mesa-7.1~RC3-0maemo1 |
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| 08:26.28 | timeless_mbp | i think the trick i used was to use apt-get source âdownload-only and then parse the output |
| 08:26.41 | timeless_mbp | because it would tell me the names of the files i needed and then i could use dpkg-source w/ -d |
| 08:26.47 | Corsac | -recomp1 is the debian revision, so it seems to be that |
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| 08:27.00 | timeless_mbp | right, but how do you get that? |
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| 08:29.02 | timeless_mbp | yeah, using apt-get source âdownload-only; dpkg-source -x foo.dsc foo is my friend |
| 08:37.33 | timeless_mbp | is pretty sure that's what the old scripts did |
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| 08:52.28 | timeless_mbp | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1709010&cid=32807068 |
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| 09:03.26 | curiositybanget | hy all |
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| 09:05.41 | curiositybanget | hy |
| 09:06.08 | curiositybanget | anyone? |
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| 09:07.23 | Vanadis_Work | curiositybanget, hai |
| 09:07.45 | curiositybanget | hy |
| 09:07.55 | curiositybanget | finally, someone live in there |
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| 09:09.29 | Vanadis_Work | curiositybanget, they're propably all zombies |
| 09:09.42 | Vanadis_Work | watched Highschool of the Dead last night |
| 09:09.45 | curiositybanget | hehe, i'm in zombie land |
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| 09:09.59 | curiositybanget | ^^_ |
| 09:10.23 | curiositybanget | btw, sry if my english is terrible, i'm still learning |
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| 09:11.13 | curiositybanget | i'm looking someone here to discuss bout meego |
| 09:11.23 | nidO | #meego |
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| 09:11.39 | curiositybanget | i like user interface of meego |
| 09:12.57 | curiositybanget | are u still there vanasis? |
| 09:13.01 | curiositybanget | vanadis |
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| 09:14.59 | curiositybanget | hy all |
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| 09:20.36 | timeless_mbp | curiositybanget: you still want #meego .. |
| 09:23.14 | curiositybanget | oops, i think i'm in wrong room, meego n maemo, start with m, hehe |
| 09:23.58 | curiositybanget | thx bro |
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| 09:32.06 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember which stupid features exist in fremantle sources |
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| 09:33.29 | timeless_mbp | lrwxrwxrwx 1 timeless timeless 1 Jul 6 17:45 alsa -> . |
| 09:33.33 | timeless_mbp | yeah, there's that one |
| 09:33.35 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 09:33.38 | timeless_mbp | very helpful |
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| 09:37.11 | eternal197 | hey all, wondering if anyone can help me out with swap partition priority |
| 09:38.24 | eternal197 | cant for the life of me seem to get both emmc swap and sd swap to change priority, or to respect the pri= setting in /etc/fstab |
| 09:38.50 | eternal197 | which means that since the sd card priority is set to -2, it doesnt do shit |
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| 09:38.56 | eternal197 | any ideas anyone? |
| 09:44.51 | timeless_mbp | so um |
| 09:44.57 | timeless_mbp | which are you trying to brick? |
| 09:45.01 | timeless_mbp | your n900, or your sd card? |
| 09:45.28 | timeless_mbp | ⦠and why? |
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| 09:52.18 | eternal197 | brick? not trying to brick anything. trying to use two swap partitions at the same time to relieve io pressure in a high swappiness state |
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| 09:58.43 | sugnan | hello, how to hide a particular icon or widget of an application running on the tablet, from being showed on the tv out, i know it is possible, the media player in n900 is already using that feature,in which the media player control icon wont be shown on tv out, |
| 09:59.07 | BCMM_ | When did Conversations get that "join chat room" button? |
| 09:59.16 | BCMM_ | In pr 1.2? |
| 09:59.27 | eternal197 | BCMM_:yeah 1.2 iirc |
| 09:59.43 | BCMM_ | I'm using Conversations right now |
| 10:00.16 | eternal197 | is it easy to use in a chat room scenario? |
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| 10:01.08 | Jaffa | sugnan: There was a thread about the various ioctl/sys interfaces to control the video out on maemo-developers a few months ago |
| 10:01.43 | BCMM_ | sugnan: i suspect that the n900 can do what certain desktop graphics cards can, which is make a hardware video overlay fill the tv-out screen |
| 10:02.16 | BCMM_ | Eternal197: not as nice as xchat |
| 10:02.25 | BCMM_ | Beeps for all messages |
| 10:02.36 | sugnan | can it be done using Qt somehow? |
| 10:02.52 | BCMM_ | A window open for each channel, and you /part if you close them |
| 10:03.09 | BCMM_ | No highlighting |
| 10:03.31 | BCMM_ | I wish xchat scrolled like this though |
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| 10:04.37 | sugnan | Jaffa: can we use ioctl/sys libs with Qt |
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| 10:05.28 | Jaffa | sugnan: I guess so, at the expense of portability |
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| 10:05.56 | BCMM_ | I can't see why you couldn't use ioctls using pure c++ |
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| 10:06.08 | sugnan | ok Jaffa will try, thankx |
| 10:06.15 | Jaffa | sugnan: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-March/025347.html is the thread I'm thinking of |
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| 10:08.40 | nidO | sigh, wtb more reliable ovi suite :< |
| 10:08.59 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 10:09.10 | timeless_mbp | so, there is a disadvantage to doing piecemeal scanning |
| 10:09.50 | timeless_mbp | whole unit scanning means that any identifier which is defined in any part of the system will be recognized as an identifier in any other part |
| 10:10.15 | timeless_mbp | but if i do it unit at a time, then something defined in one part and only vaguely used in another party might not be properly recognized as an identifier :( |
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| 10:10.38 | jacekowski | eternal197: it's not going to change anything really |
| 10:11.04 | jacekowski | eternal197: esspecialy considering that uSD card is slower than eMMC |
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| 10:14.22 | eternal197 | jacekowski: fair enough. out of interest, any idea how much faster emmc is? |
| 10:14.33 | BCMM | how does one sync the clock on the n900? ntpd sounds like a very bad move in terms of battery life |
| 10:14.55 | jacekowski | BCMM: gps |
| 10:14.58 | BCMM | is there a "synchronise once then quit" NTP client? |
| 10:15.06 | jacekowski | eternal197: depends on uSD card |
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| 10:15.16 | jacekowski | eternal197: from my experience 2-3x faster at least |
| 10:15.25 | BCMM | jacekowski: ah, i heard mutterings about getting gps time, how do you do that? |
| 10:16.22 | nidO | there is also network-operator provided time, though that requires your network to broadcast a time and doesnt actually work properly on the n900 |
| 10:16.28 | jacekowski | BCMM: start any gps app |
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| 10:17.08 | timeless_mbp | eternal197: please note that the uSD card can be unmounted randomly |
| 10:17.24 | timeless_mbp | whenever you manage to drop your n900 violently |
| 10:17.30 | timeless_mbp | or if you ever remove the back cover |
| 10:17.47 | BCMM | jacekowski: ah, it automatically gets gps time when the gps is in use? |
| 10:17.52 | jacekowski | 100M read from emmc 5.16s, 7.01 from uSD card |
| 10:17.54 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 10:18.04 | BCMM | neat |
| 10:18.07 | BCMM | thanks |
| 10:18.15 | nidO | it does? |
| 10:18.22 | timeless_mbp | removing the swap volume from a live system when it isn't expecting it should be catastrophic |
| 10:18.35 | nidO | if so, that certainly doesnt work with the device set to automatically keep it's time from the network broadcast timr |
| 10:18.39 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: kernel will just return EBUSY |
| 10:18.45 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: instead of unmounting it |
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| 10:18.55 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: when it's physically gone? |
| 10:19.05 | timeless_mbp | that doesn't work :) |
| 10:19.06 | jacekowski | nidO: how do you set it to sync to network broadcast? |
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| 10:19.28 | timeless_mbp | isn't certain about removing just the back cover |
| 10:19.36 | timeless_mbp | but certainly if it gets out of place, it's gone |
| 10:19.45 | nidO | settings > date/time > update automatically, i'm led to believe uses network time |
| 10:19.45 | timeless_mbp | and the kerne should get quite pissed |
| 10:19.52 | jacekowski | nidO: no |
| 10:19.53 | nidO | though for me it doesnt, and never has, worked properly |
| 10:19.55 | jacekowski | nidO: it uses gps time |
| 10:20.03 | nidO | well, that doesnt work right then |
| 10:20.14 | nidO | my n900's clock has always been 5 minutes fast with automatic time enabled |
| 10:20.14 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: really? |
| 10:20.55 | timeless_mbp | was pretty sure gps time as a primary was ruled out |
| 10:21.16 | nidO | I was always under the impression it used network-broadcast time |
| 10:21.28 | nidO | but whichever it uses or should use, it clearly doesnt use it right |
| 10:21.31 | timeless_mbp | easily tested |
| 10:21.33 | timeless_mbp | disable gps |
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| 10:21.41 | timeless_mbp | disable auto time |
| 10:21.44 | timeless_mbp | munge your clock |
| 10:21.49 | timeless_mbp | reenable auto time |
| 10:22.05 | timeless_mbp | if it changes, it obviously isn't _limited_ to gps time |
| 10:22.11 | nidO | its not, then |
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| 10:22.18 | nidO | just did that, set my time to 11:00 manually |
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| 10:22.26 | timeless_mbp | isn't certain how to prove that it never uses gps for time |
| 10:22.27 | nidO | and it flicked straight back to 11:26 |
| 10:22.29 | nidO | which is also wrong |
| 10:22.44 | timeless_mbp | typically, being wrong is a function of lame cell towers |
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| 10:22.56 | nidO | 11:26 also is *not* the time being broadcast by either my network or by gps |
| 10:23.08 | lcuk | ive not had any device change time automatically until i put ntpd on |
| 10:23.28 | lcuk | especially after removing battery and date rolls back to 2009 |
| 10:23.32 | timeless_mbp | looks for an end userhat |
| 10:23.38 | jacekowski | lcuk: hmm |
| 10:23.40 | jacekowski | lcuk: that's wrong |
| 10:23.41 | timeless_mbp | ⦠end user hat |
| 10:23.50 | jacekowski | lcuk: there is small battery that's supposed to keep rtc running |
| 10:23.54 | timeless_mbp | my mac doesn't mention 'ntp', but it definitely fixes the clock for me :) |
| 10:24.18 | lcuk | jacekowski, then something must be wrong with it. its been like that for ages :S |
| 10:24.23 | timeless_mbp | my windows computers don't mention ntp eitiher, and they too fix the clock :) |
| 10:24.50 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, windows has internet time enabled :p |
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| 10:24.54 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: maybe you've never had the privilege of using end user operating systems ;-) |
| 10:25.06 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: yeah, but i don't have to start "ntpd" |
| 10:25.12 | lcuk | windows xp here |
| 10:25.14 | timeless_mbp | it's just something the system *does* |
| 10:25.18 | lcuk | i know :) |
| 10:25.27 | timeless_mbp | there happens to be a time service (and you can stop it) |
| 10:25.42 | timeless_mbp | but you didn't have to 'start ntpd' to get windows to give you the right time |
| 10:25.49 | lcuk | clock issues are something linuxy ;) |
| 10:25.55 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:25.57 | timeless_mbp | indeed |
| 10:26.12 | lcuk | even worse when i used to use winscp to copy files about |
| 10:26.15 | timeless_mbp | firefox has a feature mostly designed for Lusers (linux users) |
| 10:26.24 | lcuk | 1 hour time differences and drifts meant |
| 10:26.33 | timeless_mbp | system != utc? |
| 10:26.37 | lcuk | gcc would always moan about clock skew! |
| 10:26.39 | lcuk | yeah |
| 10:26.49 | timeless_mbp | when it encounters an expired certificate, it tells you the current time |
| 10:26.56 | timeless_mbp | so you can recognize when your clock is wrong |
| 10:27.05 | timeless_mbp | instead of just assuming the server is busted |
| 10:27.16 | lcuk | incorrect time by 1 second is enough to make gcc panic. |
| 10:27.22 | timeless_mbp | and i can say designed, because i was the one who did it :) |
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| 10:27.33 | timeless_mbp | and i had nxxx's in mind :) |
| 10:28.11 | lcuk | :) |
| 10:28.39 | dotblank | http://imgur.com/gv7LT.png |
| 10:28.47 | dotblank | another screenshot :) |
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| 10:29.03 | dotblank | got rid of the bottom bar... I need to place the progress bar ina creative spot |
| 10:29.24 | lcuk | dotblank, nice high contrast theme |
| 10:29.40 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: fwiw, having really short rows is not finger friendly |
| 10:29.41 | dotblank | lcuk, yea turned out better then I thought |
| 10:29.49 | sandst1 | dotblank: how'bout if the blue background of the song name would also be the progress bar? |
| 10:30.12 | timeless_mbp | the progress bar is for search, not download, right? |
| 10:30.15 | lcuk | dotblank, in portrait theres so much more space for ui! |
| 10:30.16 | dotblank | sandst1, I tried doing it actually but the styles for maemo qt isn't letting me |
| 10:30.25 | timeless_mbp | stick progress into the search box, like the browser uses the urlbar |
| 10:30.29 | lcuk | but without a keyboard its like stepping back in time |
| 10:30.42 | dotblank | timeless_mbp, good idea |
| 10:30.42 | sandst1 | dotblank: make a custom one?:) |
| 10:30.51 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: something tells me the button in the bottom left corner in portrait is stupid |
| 10:30.54 | timeless_mbp | what's it do? |
| 10:31.05 | dotblank | timeless_mbp, playlist |
| 10:31.20 | dotblank | allows you to re arrange songs add radio stations |
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| 10:31.33 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 10:31.36 | timeless_mbp | you can't use that icon |
| 10:31.39 | timeless_mbp | at the very least |
| 10:31.46 | dotblank | hmm |
| 10:31.51 | dotblank | I need a new icon |
| 10:31.52 | timeless_mbp | that icon has a specific meaning |
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| 10:32.13 | dotblank | I just picked something that looked like a list... |
| 10:32.21 | dotblank | I'm going to go icon hunting for more |
| 10:32.24 | kerio | what meaning? |
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| 10:36.03 | timeless_mbp | kerio: it means show / hide the tree view to the left of the content area |
| 10:36.09 | timeless_mbp | it's used by the Feed Reader |
| 10:36.22 | timeless_mbp | but the icon meaning is fixed and consistent on more than just Maemo |
| 10:36.30 | timeless_mbp | however, in Maemo, it's not a good idea to use split views |
| 10:36.33 | kerio | i see |
| 10:36.33 | timeless_mbp | there isn't enough space |
| 10:36.42 | timeless_mbp | and there absolutely isn't enough space in Portrait! |
| 10:37.06 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.17 | timeless_mbp | anyway, it's food-o'clock |
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| 11:36.28 | pigeon | hmm, i'm trying to disable the auto update check completely, i've set /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval to a pretty large number, but it seems to be still doing it from time to time, especially after a reboot, any clues? |
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| 11:38.56 | X-Fade | pigeon: Put the host names in /etc/hosts and point to 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 11:39.33 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:40.04 | pigeon | heh, well that would work, but that would disable manual update too then i imagine... |
| 11:40.13 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, as I said yesterday, you forgot the binaries http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ |
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| 11:40.18 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 11:40.31 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I got a bit more progress on the perl-modules case. |
| 11:40.50 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 11:41.27 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Apparently the package is on an exclusion list for SSU. |
| 11:41.40 | X-Fade | The person managing that list is on holiday of course ;) |
| 11:42.09 | X-Fade | But if it is removed from that list, it will show up in the ssu repo automatically. |
| 11:42.20 | X-Fade | So I need to be convincing ;) |
| 11:42.42 | MohammadAG51 | forzen-bubble's convincing enough right? :p |
| 11:44.51 | Juozapas | how to install midnight commander ? |
| 11:45.33 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get install mc |
| 11:49.29 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: fwiw, i'm working on getting fremantle1.2 indexed |
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| 11:59.14 | Juozapas | where i can find directories created by file manager' |
| 11:59.17 | Juozapas | via terminal |
| 11:59.31 | lcuk | /home/user/MyDocs/* |
| 11:59.39 | lcuk | ~/MyDocs/* |
| 12:00.02 | lcuk | or on memory cards perhaps |
| 12:00.30 | Juozapas | no, its not there |
| 12:00.51 | Juozapas | i create directory books' via file manager but it isnt in Mydodcs |
| 12:01.30 | Juozapas | ok, found it |
| 12:01.42 | lcuk | :) where was it hiding |
| 12:02.17 | MohammadAG51 | ~seen javispedro |
| 12:02.19 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 40d 11h 3m 4s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. |
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| 12:03.39 | Juozapas | lcuk: i was disabled hidden files showing |
| 12:04.00 | lcuk | Juozapas, ? in the console? |
| 12:07.25 | Juozapas | in mc |
| 12:07.27 | Juozapas | ;) |
| 12:08.47 | lcuk | Juozapas, well - thats not really fair, mc isnt the terminal |
| 12:09.18 | Juozapas | yeah its my fault |
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| 12:13.10 | tobis87 | is it possible to prevent auto device lock to reactivate the screen, if the screen is turned off? |
| 12:15.14 | lauri | hey guys, how are those small icos called on N900? For example wifi indicator |
| 12:15.40 | lauri | --> How can I do them in Qt4? |
| 12:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-unlock |
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| 12:30.11 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: I want the device to lock (with key), but I don't want the screen to reactivate by this. |
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| 12:33.52 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: If the screen gets turned off after 30 seconds and the device locks after 5 minutes. It will turn the screen on again for 30 seconds. |
| 12:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's a bug |
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| 12:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | file a ticket |
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| 12:36.21 | PolarFox | Oh btw.. Did USB Host project die already? :) |
| 12:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | zombie state |
| 12:37.06 | PolarFox | Living dead.. Scary sh*t. |
| 12:37.30 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, whats needed to progress it |
| 12:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know why none of the devels is contributing anymore |
| 12:37.39 | Appiah | did not know that was a project.. |
| 12:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | Appiah: h-e-n |
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| 12:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: hcm did some kernel cleanup and tests and claimed it doesn't work and needs further investigations/fixes/cleanup, but I don't see anything happening after that. There've been 2 or 3 drive-by-lurkers that were very interested for a day and then vanished |
| 12:41.10 | lcuk | sure DocScrutinizer thats the way things normally go, gee the troups perhaps |
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| 12:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'm busy with a lot of other crap last ~4 weeks, so didn't push much |
| 12:41.37 | lcuk | nods |
| 12:41.57 | hcm | is also busy :( |
| 12:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | hi hcm :-) |
| 12:42.21 | Appiah | DocScrutinizer: H-E-N? |
| 12:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | h-e-n.garage.maemo.org |
| 12:42.53 | Appiah | O_o |
| 12:43.00 | Appiah | i see |
| 12:43.22 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: I don't have an account for maemo.org, because I somehow failed to install the sdk on my old linux machine and I also have not the mood to discuss with all those iphone lovers from talk.maemo.org. Could you or someone else please file this bug? |
| 12:44.24 | hcm | hi DocScrutinizer :) lucky coincidence that I looked here when you mentioned my name.. usually I don't read much here, takes too much time.. |
| 12:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: you don't need to discuss with tmo iphone lovers. bugtracker is a separate thing |
| 12:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: creating an account is a matter of 2 minutes |
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| 12:52.45 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: OK, I will do this.... later this evening |
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| 13:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: hcm: seems the position of project leader in h-e-n still is vacant. I never been the lead kernel hacker, and all helping hands savvy of kernel hacking are just asking who's telling them what to do. |
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| 13:02.50 | lcuk | yeah DocScrutinizer i even poked in, but ive got my own hardcore nighttime hacking to do |
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| 13:25.05 | chadi | I see my laptop name on my N900 in the first screen of media player. I click on it, it opens a page but nothing happens. Am i supposed to do anything for this to work? |
| 13:25.49 | nidO | add music/video to the upnp server on your laptop |
| 13:26.07 | chadi | how do I get it to work? |
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| 13:28.18 | lardman | hmm, tesseract |
| 13:28.41 | lardman | I wonder how much effort it would take to get that to read from a raw image buffer... :) |
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| 13:29.05 | nidO | thinking of something along the lines of phototranslate? |
| 13:29.27 | lardman | yeah, but adding it as a decoder to mBarcode |
| 13:29.42 | lardman | depending on how cpu intensive it is that is |
| 13:30.20 | alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100706-141810.png |
| 13:30.32 | alterego | Prototype is coming along nicely :) |
| 13:30.52 | Scelt | wat is dat? |
| 13:31.09 | alterego | It's a screen for an app I'm writing. |
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| 13:31.27 | Scelt | kristoffffer kolumbus |
| 13:31.57 | alterego | The app probably wont be called that, that's just what I'm using at the moment in the absence of a better name :) |
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| 13:32.27 | Scelt | Arr? |
| 13:32.33 | Scelt | Like a pirate arrr |
| 13:32.41 | Scelt | ARRRR |
| 13:32.44 | Scelt | PIRATE |
| 13:32.57 | lardman | I can feel the world cooling already |
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| 13:36.55 | chadi | nidO: so I need to install some king of upnp server on my laptop? |
| 13:37.25 | nidO | you evidently already have a upnp server on your laptop, thats why it's appearing in the upnp servers area of your device's media player. |
| 13:38.11 | chadi | but, I click on the icon, the loading circle shows up, and nothing displays in the list.. |
| 13:38.33 | mortini | http://whatthecommit.com/ |
| 13:38.35 | nidO | nothing will display in the list if you havent added any content to your upnp server to serve. |
| 13:38.52 | chadi | um |
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| 13:39.32 | chadi | so I have to configure upnp on win7 |
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| 13:48.20 | yuizy | r |
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| 13:50.02 | _0x47 | Anyone could help me with debugging with ESbox? (Setup is done, just debugging drives me nuts) |
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| 14:08.59 | shukla | I am using ubuntu 10.04. Whenever I terminate program using Ctrl + C. I get a sementation fault |
| 14:09.04 | shukla | [1]+ Segmentation fault Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac |
| 14:10.13 | SpComb | shukla: af-sb-init.sh start |
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| 14:30.26 | RST38h | watches, amusedly, may2010ers discussing stuttering N900 video on tmo |
| 14:30.48 | RST38h | Write only users, indeed |
| 14:31.38 | RST38h | Great at keeping each other company though. Once the lemming finds out he is not alone, he gets all warm and fuzzy inside |
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| 14:32.53 | D-Iivil | o/ |
| 14:34.05 | tybollt | _o/ meego -o/ |
| 14:34.20 | D-Iivil | How to find out what's eating my rootfs? Free space dropped from 98 megs to 50 megs and I can't figure out what could be the cause. |
| 14:34.39 | sandst1 | hi. could someone enlighten me about the differences of modification of a normal file vs a device file. I'm playing around with the proximity sensor and trying to catch modifications to /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state with inotify. Normal file modifications pop up, but state ones don't. Any clues..? |
| 14:36.21 | sandst1 | (and no, i don't want to implement it with a timer :P) |
| 14:36.34 | MohammadAG | whoever designs back covers on Nokia phones needs a good kick in the arse |
| 14:36.44 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it - the sysnode has to explicitly support inotify/... |
| 14:36.54 | SpeedEvil | As of course - it doesn't _actually_ exist as a file. |
| 14:36.57 | MohammadAG | (although looking at the N8, I think he already got it) |
| 14:37.02 | SpeedEvil | So it has to fake it on interrupt. |
| 14:37.39 | sandst1 | SpeedEvil: Oookay, i see. makes sense |
| 14:38.53 | SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gnu/find */fd -ls|grep prox |
| 14:38.53 | SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gnu/find: `4091/fd/5': No such file or directory |
| 14:38.53 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.53 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.55 | SpeedEvil | for example |
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| 14:39.11 | SpeedEvil | so - look at whatever process 770 or 844 is doing to it |
| 14:39.31 | sandst1 | ok |
| 14:39.33 | SpeedEvil | mce |
| 14:39.47 | SpeedEvil | and hald-addon-gpio |
| 14:40.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: wanna see my latest app? :) |
| 14:40.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, oh boy |
| 14:40.22 | alterego | MohammadAG: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100706-153932.png |
| 14:40.42 | MohammadAG | a compass app? |
| 14:40.46 | alterego | It's a "wireframe" of the UI I'm working on. |
| 14:40.58 | SpeedEvil | alterego: plot the sats on the compass? |
| 14:41.03 | alterego | It's going to be more than that |
| 14:41.06 | MohammadAG | attached a compass to the N900? |
| 14:41.08 | alterego | SpeedEvil: that's why it's there :P |
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| 14:41.20 | MohammadAG | or is it based on GPS |
| 14:41.24 | alterego | MohammadAG: GPS |
| 14:41.28 | MohammadAG | aww |
| 14:42.32 | alterego | SpeedEvil: The circle compass, looks kind of useless because the top compass is more effective. But it will display GPS sat location and the rings will be used to indicate how good the lock is, a green inner ring will be good lock, orage middle will be okay, and red fouter will be poor. |
| 14:42.37 | alterego | Or something like that. |
| 14:42.49 | alterego | I've not started working on the "theme" engine yet, but that will be completely customisable in the end. |
| 14:43.05 | alterego | That's just one screen out of the program though and it's not complete yet. |
| 14:43.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, does it share my exact longitude/latitude on telepathy? |
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| 14:43.11 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 14:43.12 | alterego | Just wanted to start showing off :) |
| 14:43.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:43.30 | alterego | MohammadAG: I was going to possible include that, it's on my "Possible features" list. |
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| 14:43.45 | Stskeeps | moo macer |
| 14:43.56 | alterego | At the moment I'm refactoring my custom widgets. |
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| 14:44.15 | MohammadAG | alterego, yay, you're turning maemo into android :P |
| 14:44.32 | SpeedEvil | alterego: have you seen 'mappero' - 'gps details' -> satelite details |
| 14:44.33 | alterego | MohammadAG: I personally think the coolest feature will be the ability to stick any of my custom widgets on the home screen, so you can effectively create your own GPS UI |
| 14:44.42 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I think I saw a screen shot. |
| 14:44.57 | alterego | SpeedEvil: my app isn't a mapper, at least, I don't intend it to be one. |
| 14:45.05 | alterego | It's a "Navigation Tool" :) |
| 14:45.05 | lardman | anyone here used tesseract on maemo? How fast/slow did it run? |
| 14:45.15 | luke-jr | alterego: will it support tonal Tims? |
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| 14:45.24 | alterego | luke-jr: I don't know what that is |
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| 14:45.37 | SpeedEvil | I mean - there are several apps that show a flat projetion of the sky hemisphere - and onto that - plot the satellite numbers and signal strengths. |
| 14:45.41 | luke-jr | alterego: boo |
| 14:45.58 | luke-jr | http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 |
| 14:46.04 | tobis87 | did anyone succeed in compiling the ksb26 kernel module for the n900? I tried to compile it on the device, but it seems it is too x86 specific. uses x86 semaphore and byteorder asm. |
| 14:46.07 | lcuk | lardman, whats tesseract |
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| 14:46.14 | Stskeeps | ksb26? |
| 14:46.20 | myMoeUzer | I found in the root of my filesystem ('/') a file called rb.log, does anyone else here have that? |
| 14:46.37 | lcuk | myMoeUzer, what does it contain |
| 14:47.01 | tobis87 | Stskeeps: http://ksb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:47.14 | myMoeUzer | it just says 'GOT HERE' , a bunch of times |
| 14:47.27 | Stskeeps | tobis87: ah |
| 14:47.56 | SpeedEvil | myMoeUzer: I do |
| 14:48.21 | myMoeUzer | do you know from which application its coming from? |
| 14:48.31 | SpeedEvil | I have around 70 installed - so no. |
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| 14:49.07 | myMoeUzer | hmmm. |
| 14:49.08 | luke-jr | alterego: 22.5 degrees per Tim |
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| 14:49.25 | alterego | luke-jr: very cute |
| 14:49.51 | alterego | luke-jr: I was planning on having different "profiles" like "marine, aero, cycle, motor" etc. |
| 14:50.06 | alterego | So I could be persuaded into adding that, maybe ... |
| 14:50.18 | lcuk | myMoeUzer, SpeedEvil open app manager installed apps list and type "r" - are there any "rb" apps |
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| 14:55.53 | myMoeUzer | lcuk: thank you! appaerantly its coming from 'rescue-boot' |
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| 14:58.26 | lcuk | myMoeUzer, :) |
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| 15:06.28 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i am surprised about your tmo post .. will the n900 work with the approx 4V from battery applied to the usb port? |
| 15:06.43 | jacekowski | cehteh: 5V |
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| 15:06.56 | jacekowski | cehteh: it will work |
| 15:06.57 | cehteh | jacekowski: i know usb is 5V ... |
| 15:07.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: 4V yes. I think it will |
| 15:07.11 | cehteh | but he suggests a dongle with a battery switch |
| 15:07.36 | cehteh | interesting |
| 15:07.44 | MohammadAG | Need a second opinion, BH-505, or a BH-214? |
| 15:08.14 | X-Fade | Haven't used 505, but 214 works fine for me. |
| 15:08.18 | solrize | lightspeed zulu ftw :) |
| 15:08.27 | cehteh | btw last days i did a 3day vacation with mappero on while biking on 2 batteries ... |
| 15:08.37 | cehteh | but *very* conservative battery use |
| 15:09.31 | cehteh | celluar off most of the time, pre-downloaded maps etc |
| 15:09.47 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: S805 |
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| 15:11.36 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, not used to those type of headphones, prefer in ear ones (otherwise I would've got the BH-905) :P |
| 15:11.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: 'I think' here means it still needs both check vs datasheet, as well as a practical test |
| 15:12.07 | solrize | bh-905 has compatibility probs w/n900 |
| 15:12.16 | cehteh | yeah i may try that, undervolting shouldnt harm |
| 15:12.24 | cehteh | (at least i hope so) |
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| 15:13.05 | cehteh | and i still thinking about a bike charger .. or just buing this bumm e-werk |
| 15:13.06 | solrize | why 4v? |
| 15:13.10 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, how's the sound quality? |
| 15:13.17 | MohammadAG | same as the stock headphones? |
| 15:13.21 | cehteh | solrize: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2 |
| 15:13.44 | solrize | hmm |
| 15:14.09 | cehteh | anyways .. removing back-cover shouldnt unmount the FS .. i have to stop that too :P |
| 15:14.18 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well, thing is that it depends if it will detect VBUS or not |
| 15:14.25 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It is ok for my purposes. |
| 15:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: Input voltage lower limit Input power source detection min3.6 typ3.8 max4 V |
| 15:14.57 | jacekowski | hmm, that would explain it |
| 15:15.23 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: btw did you analyzed the power adaptor yet (the small connector which is in the pack) |
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| 15:15.39 | cehteh | is that a simple linear regulator or something more smart? |
| 15:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | partially |
| 15:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | more smart. seems like a SPSU |
| 15:15.59 | MohammadAG | RST38h, XChat 2.8.8 source is available, any chance you'll update the maemo version? |
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| 15:16.13 | solrize | cehteh, wowww |
| 15:16.15 | chem|st | does anyone know where powertop is gone? |
| 15:16.22 | jacekowski | cehteh: a lot smarter |
| 15:16.33 | jacekowski | cehteh: google for bq24150 |
| 15:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: never been 'there' |
| 15:16.46 | jacekowski | Fully Integrated Switch-Mode One-Cell Li-Ion Charger with Full USB Compliance and |
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| 15:16.47 | jacekowski | USB-OTG Support |
| 15:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: the adapter probably has no bq24150 |
| 15:17.02 | jacekowski | all in 1.976 x 1.946mm 20-Pin WCSP Package |
| 15:17.11 | cehteh | jacekowski: not the buildin controler but the small cable dongle |
| 15:17.21 | jacekowski | cable dongle? |
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| 15:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | CA-146C |
| 15:17.37 | cehteh | the one for the old nokia chargers .. forgot its part name |
| 15:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: probably it could be used to fix the 4V issue |
| 15:18.03 | jacekowski | that cable dongle thingy |
| 15:18.10 | cehteh | i am tinking about abusing it as controler for bike charging and external battery pack |
| 15:18.47 | cehteh | for the bike dynamo it makes power conditioning way easier, just rectify, zener and cap ... |
| 15:19.01 | cehteh | for battery just a 6 cell mignon pack |
| 15:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: the problem is it has cans/shields/heatsinks sodered in a way you can't really check what chips are used |
| 15:19.15 | solrize | cehteh, i still don't understand why 4v to the usb port, why not 5v? |
| 15:19.47 | solrize | and it seems like lame n900 hardware design that you cant hot swap from external power without doing tricks, like you can with a laptop |
| 15:19.50 | cehteh | solrize: DocScrutinizer suggests to temporary hook a n900 battery there while changeing them |
| 15:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | solrize: because battery has 3.7 to 4.2V |
| 15:20.03 | jacekowski | solrize: it's not hardware, it's software |
| 15:20.05 | solrize | so you'd use three batteries? |
| 15:20.14 | solrize | anyway, use a mintyboost converter or equivalent |
| 15:20.19 | cehteh | solrize: did you even read the thread i posted? |
| 15:20.29 | solrize | http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ |
| 15:20.34 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: btw. it doesn't look like there is any code related to thermal protection in BME itself |
| 15:20.34 | solrize | cehteh yeah it's a good thread |
| 15:20.51 | solrize | but it says there's some emergency charge mode that doesn't have enough power to run all the hardware at once |
| 15:20.58 | solrize | which is why it seems like lame hardware design |
| 15:21.22 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: are the 1.5mm and 2mm ports brided to the same input or treated differently? |
| 15:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: mhm. Stskeeps(?) mentioned it's a co-work of bme and mce or some other *e |
| 15:21.59 | cehteh | dsme |
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| 15:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: they are both equiped with a schottky to protect aginst reverse voltage |
| 15:22.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yeah, dsme pulls temperature from bme |
| 15:22.57 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and seems to return alarm conditions |
| 15:23.14 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: when i have some time i give it a try |
| 15:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, I have a switchable PSU here, could test with 4.5V and with 3V |
| 15:23.59 | cehteh | would be awesome when i get bike charging work with very simple hardware |
| 15:24.31 | jacekowski | i can try it tomorrow with full range 0-30V |
| 15:24.41 | cehteh | have fun with 30V :) |
| 15:24.44 | Myrtti | pokes lcuk |
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| 15:25.48 | lcuk | looks up at Myrtti |
| 15:25.55 | lcuk | heya konttori \o |
| 15:25.56 | Myrtti | lcuk: see twitter |
| 15:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: jacekowski: indeed :-P |
| 15:26.24 | lcuk | HOLY FUCKING SHIT! |
| 15:26.36 | lcuk | Myrtti, you are a goddess tytytytytytyty for finding that |
| 15:26.38 | Myrtti | lcuk: I love you too |
| 15:26.40 | Myrtti | ⥠|
| 15:26.50 | lcuk | http://www.istyles.com/nokia-nokia-n900-c-292_567_700.html |
| 15:26.55 | jacekowski | Myrtti: you're a female? |
| 15:26.56 | lcuk | how awesome are those :D |
| 15:27.21 | Myrtti | they're not as nice as Gelaskins IMO, but I bet you can find something nice from there :-) |
| 15:27.31 | Myrtti | jacekowski: news at yesterday at 1100 |
| 15:27.32 | Robot101 | lcuk: are you looking to rice out your N900? :D |
| 15:27.55 | solrize | er whats on twitter? those n900 cases?? |
| 15:28.09 | solrize | they are nice |
| 15:28.29 | Myrtti | Robot101: I riced out my N1 with another skin today ⥠|
| 15:28.41 | Myrtti | AND GUESS WHAT COLOUR!? |
| 15:28.50 | Robot101 | BLUE! |
| 15:28.59 | Myrtti | *BWWEEEP* |
| 15:29.00 | Robot101 | the Collabora company colours, of course ;) |
| 15:29.01 | lcuk | Robot101, ive wanted decent skins for ages - wjt got first pink one for tracy but that was crap so she got another that was also crap, now these are transfers and will work sooooooooo much better |
| 15:29.02 | Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4767539243/ |
| 15:29.07 | chem|st | ok I am stuck at load 1.1 again not even rebooting helped this time |
| 15:29.24 | Robot101 | haha, wallpaper and skin alignment... neat :) |
| 15:29.33 | Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4767539243/ ⥠pink |
| 15:29.42 | Myrtti | meh, that's the same one... |
| 15:29.44 | Robot101 | shame it's an android phone though, I gave mine away because it was annoying me :) |
| 15:30.19 | Myrtti | Robot101: nobody gave me a N900 and I used my money on buying an eReader, so... *shrug* |
| 15:30.23 | lcuk | http://www.istyles.com/birth-idea-nokia-n900-skin-p-32559.html |
| 15:30.59 | lcuk | Myrtti, speaking of ereaders - http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 ;) |
| 15:31.08 | Myrtti | GODDAMMIT terminator opens up firefox... |
| 15:31.32 | tybollt | Myrtti: sei ruhig |
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| 15:32.23 | Myrtti | ok then... |
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| 15:33.17 | lcuk | Myrtti, im so pleased we had coffee in .fi last time i was there now :D |
| 15:35.48 | tybollt | zOMG you can have COFFEE in finland? |
| 15:35.51 | tybollt | wowzers! |
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| 15:36.13 | Robot101 | really only... ish.. :P |
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| 15:37.08 | Myrtti | tybollt: here, have a lollipop |
| 15:37.19 | Myrtti | you definitely need some cheering up |
| 15:38.20 | tybollt | Myrtti: I'm swedish... you know the people who commit suicide ;P |
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| 15:44.57 | Myrtti | how cheery. such a positive attitude today. What a good thing I didn't log in to IRC earlier today. |
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| 15:50.20 | jacekowski | is there a camera app that can save raw/png/anything lossless? |
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| 15:51.58 | tybollt | tiff |
| 15:52.00 | tobis87 | so does anyone know a good alternative to ksb26, which can "intercept and redirect tcp connections through socks 4/5 chains" <- which would be especially usefull, because you cannot define proxies for all programs. |
| 15:52.01 | tybollt | uncompressed |
| 15:52.43 | Macer | http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html |
| 15:52.45 | Macer | hahahhaha! |
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| 15:52.55 | Macer | the lost one cracked me up |
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| 15:55.04 | kerio | Macer: the "no reward" bit was awesome |
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| 15:55.51 | lardman | got to go now, but with bbiab |
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| 16:06.26 | chem|st | is getting tired of restarting hildon-* stuff |
| 16:06.49 | alterego | chem|st: developing something dodgy? :P |
| 16:07.09 | chem|st | alterego: nope just basic behaviour |
| 16:07.20 | alterego | chem|st: like ? |
| 16:07.36 | chem|st | after 48h hildon-home freezes 1st restart |
| 16:07.55 | alterego | Weird .. |
| 16:07.57 | alterego | Don't have that problem |
| 16:08.17 | chem|st | after 72h something puts my load to 1.2+ |
| 16:08.44 | chem|st | and makes the battery drain that fast that I have to charge every night |
| 16:09.42 | chem|st | I had that with python stuff and PR1.1 after 96h |
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| 16:10.03 | chem|st | now I got it with PR1.2 after 48h freeze |
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| 16:10.20 | chem|st | and no python stuff to blame :( |
| 16:10.31 | tobis87 | ok, tsocks would also work, but every program needs then to be started from the shell. |
| 16:11.04 | chem|st | first time I had that load going up to 1.2+ I started/stopped fmtx and it was gone |
| 16:11.22 | chem|st | after I rebootet |
| 16:12.11 | chem|st | second time again no action after reboot, restarting -home, fmtx didn't do anything good |
| 16:12.53 | chem|st | then I stopped various processes till I hit one the watchdog was after and the device rebooted itself, then it was back to normal... |
| 16:13.12 | chem|st | and so on |
| 16:13.35 | chem|st | I cannot reproduce the problem and I cannot reproduce the solution |
| 16:13.57 | chem|st | most of the time a reboot doesn't help |
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| 16:14.40 | chem|st | this time I restarted all hildon-* things then I rebooted still nothing, then I restarted -home again and it was back to normal... |
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| 16:22.29 | RST38h | moo. |
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| 16:28.27 | mneptok | μ |
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| 16:43.50 | ponyofdeath | anyone know whats up with the upstart package missing sysvinit-utils missing dependencies? |
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| 16:44.47 | Nadley | hi evrybody |
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| 16:47.03 | chem|st | µ? |
| 16:48.05 | kerio | mu |
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| 16:51.36 | Nadley | hey kerio how are you ? |
| 16:51.54 | kerio | fine |
| 16:51.57 | kerio | you? |
| 16:52.20 | Nadley | fine fine I had to reflash my n900 since I broke some system files :D |
| 16:52.28 | Nadley | but now is OK |
| 16:52.34 | kerio | oh crap mame 0.138u1 |
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| 16:53.24 | Nadley | actually I want ton install firefox but I dont know if I had to add a repository or to use the firefox website |
| 16:53.37 | mortini | if you go to firefox.com/m |
| 16:53.44 | mortini | there's a 'download' link |
| 16:53.51 | mortini | which will add the repo & then download ff |
| 16:54.16 | kerio | ok, i need 217gb, 8mb, 804kb and 635b |
| 16:54.19 | kerio | on my n900 |
| 16:55.00 | kerio | what's the biggest microsd i can use? |
| 16:55.10 | Nadley | mortini: ok thanks |
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| 16:57.33 | timeless | err, you "need 217gb" ?? |
| 16:57.45 | Nadley | kerio: why so much :d |
| 16:57.57 | kerio | timeless: full mame romset for 0.138u1 |
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| 16:58.17 | timeless | you're not going to be able to do better than 64gb if that w/ the n900 |
| 16:58.21 | mikki-kun | timeless: should be doable via sshfs'ing an external disk ;) |
| 16:58.41 | luke-jr | timeless: sshfs? |
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| 16:58.50 | luke-jr | mikki-kun beat me to it! |
| 16:59.00 | timeless | is pretty sure that wasn't listed as a supported configuration by the person w/ the need |
| 16:59.28 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, sdxc should be quite doable. |
| 16:59.44 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: sdxc is not supported imo by the cardreader... |
| 16:59.57 | kerio | i just need to wait for the usb host guys to do their magic |
| 17:00.05 | kerio | then i guess i can walk around with a portable hd |
| 17:00.10 | timeless | you guys are all nuts |
| 17:00.12 | kerio | ;) |
| 17:00.14 | mikki-kun | kerio: don't expect too much for that though... |
| 17:00.20 | timeless | sshfs makes more sense |
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| 17:00.35 | kerio | but how am i going to play metal slug in a place with no coverage? |
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| 17:00.41 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: It's not a cardreader, it's a SD/SDIO interface unit. As I understand it, it can do it no problems. I haven't yet found a nice spec though. |
| 17:00.41 | kerio | not to mention my data plan is crappy |
| 17:00.49 | timeless | you own 217gb of games? |
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| 17:00.53 | timeless | finds that surprising |
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| 17:01.01 | timeless | i'm not sure i own 217gb of movies |
| 17:01.01 | SpeedEvil | 'own' is possibly a strong term. |
| 17:01.12 | kerio | timeless: well, there are a lot of games that just don't work |
| 17:01.17 | timeless | a movie is what, 2gb? |
| 17:01.18 | kerio | in multiple versions, based on the country |
| 17:01.19 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: and i read somewhere, that the new fat-design is in some way licensed... |
| 17:01.19 | cure` | haha SpeedEvil |
| 17:01.34 | luke-jr | timeless: I easily have a couple TB of anime |
| 17:01.46 | timeless | kerio: you want to carry around and play games that just don't work? |
| 17:01.50 | timeless | shakes head |
| 17:01.55 | kerio | timeless: this is supposed to be the future! |
| 17:01.58 | cure` | anime, now there is something i will never understand |
| 17:02.01 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: That's assuming you care about xfat - or whatever it's called |
| 17:02.05 | Macer | ok |
| 17:02.07 | Macer | tmobile is pissing me off |
| 17:02.18 | Macer | i want to cancel the easypay crap an do things on my own bank web site |
| 17:02.19 | timeless | luke-jr: i enjoyed anime in college |
| 17:02.20 | luke-jr | cure`: that's like saying you'll never understand 3D rendered series |
| 17:02.27 | kerio | timeless: is the internal flash replaceable? |
| 17:02.27 | timeless | and i know plenty of friends w/ sizable collections |
| 17:02.28 | Macer | and the link to cancel it has been broken for like 3 weeks |
| 17:02.33 | SpeedEvil | kerio: yes |
| 17:02.34 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: xfat, thanks... that was its name... |
| 17:02.39 | SpeedEvil | kerio: In principle. |
| 17:02.41 | kerio | SpeedEvil: what's the biggest i can buy? |
| 17:02.43 | lcuk | isnt avatar essentially anime? |
| 17:02.43 | SpeedEvil | kerio: In practice, no. |
| 17:02.54 | timeless | i guess i might have 1tb of movies assuming each dvd i own is 5gb |
| 17:02.58 | cure` | i didnt like avatar either :P |
| 17:03.03 | SpeedEvil | kerio: In that with the right soldering station, you can replace it. |
| 17:03.06 | cure` | for the thin storyline |
| 17:03.06 | MohammadAG | lcuk, nah |
| 17:03.08 | timeless | (probably not though) |
| 17:03.11 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: problem just being with xfat is, it seems to be the new standart as manufacturers seem on picking it up |
| 17:03.15 | luke-jr | timeless: I've found rewatching stuff I liked years ago is dull, so as with all content, your tastes change over time :P |
| 17:03.18 | kerio | timeless: well, tekken 4 has three versions - and neither one of those works |
| 17:03.24 | Solarion | cure`: my wife pointed out, quite rightly, that it's _Dances_With_Wolves_ in space. |
| 17:03.29 | luke-jr | lcuk: avatars are like icons... |
| 17:03.30 | lcuk | isnt terribly good at naming comicstyles |
| 17:03.30 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Sure. Doesn't mean you can't put ext4 on it |
| 17:03.33 | cure` | lol |
| 17:03.33 | MohammadAG | lcuk, anime carries a different meaning nowadays :p |
| 17:03.35 | Macer | let me live chat with an india indian |
| 17:03.36 | lcuk | luke-jr, shush i meant the movie |
| 17:03.38 | Macer | :) |
| 17:03.40 | Macer | i'm sure he can do it |
| 17:03.42 | luke-jr | lcuk: movie? |
| 17:03.44 | Macer | (or she) |
| 17:03.56 | timeless | anyway, some of my college mates would buy anime once it was officially available in English |
| 17:03.58 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, LOL |
| 17:04.07 | luke-jr | timeless: dubs aren't anime, they're lame copyoffs |
| 17:04.12 | cure` | its like, the movie starts and within 10 minutes you'll know where its gonna end |
| 17:04.13 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: hm, i am hoping either manufacturers steer away from xfat or it'll get free to use |
| 17:04.17 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, I hope you're kidding http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/ |
| 17:04.23 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: no, why? |
| 17:04.24 | lcuk | luke-jr, i am eternally surprised you have anything more advanced than an abacus |
| 17:04.26 | timeless | luke-jr: i think generally official subtitles |
| 17:04.34 | timeless | or official alternate audio tracks |
| 17:04.38 | timeless | not necessarily dubs |
| 17:04.45 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: There is no alternative at all |
| 17:04.48 | lcuk | i watched the "taxi" series of french movies this week |
| 17:04.48 | luke-jr | timeless: often the commercial subtitles suck too :/ |
| 17:04.53 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: They can't stay away from it. |
| 17:05.03 | MohammadAG | lcuk, heh, they're cool, watched them years ago though :( |
| 17:05.03 | lcuk | and the last one had english subtitles that must have come directly from google translate |
| 17:05.06 | lcuk | it was awful |
| 17:05.06 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: why can't they stay away from it? |
| 17:05.09 | MohammadAG | might rewatch them :D |
| 17:05.16 | lcuk | movies are cool |
| 17:05.19 | lcuk | really chilled |
| 17:05.44 | luke-jr | I would be slightly surprised if someone didn't think Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 was worth watching ;) |
| 17:05.46 | timeless | iirc Princess Monokome and perhaps Ghost in the Shell had US releases |
| 17:05.48 | lcuk | tracy came upstairs and when she realised it was foreign assumed it was pron |
| 17:05.51 | luke-jr | (after having seen it, ofc) |
| 17:05.51 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Selling a camera that can record only onto an ext4 filesystem, which cannot be (simply) read by - say - 99% of people. |
| 17:06.01 | luke-jr | timeless: I never cared for those genres |
| 17:06.19 | timeless | shrugs |
| 17:06.37 | luke-jr | lcuk: this Avatar movie looks live action, not anime |
| 17:06.40 | timeless | my point is that i'm not entirely supportive of people who say "it's ok to steal foreign content" |
| 17:06.51 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: hm... good point... man, this is really all m$ fault |
| 17:06.54 | lcuk | luke-jr, the actors are computer generated and BLUE |
| 17:07.03 | luke-jr | timeless: me either |
| 17:07.04 | lcuk | only the smurfs are similar |
| 17:07.11 | luke-jr | timeless: but I can't find a place to buy TM8 at all :/ |
| 17:07.14 | kerio | lcuk: saw the south park spoof of avatar? |
| 17:07.27 | luke-jr | lcuk: CG isn't anime either |
| 17:07.28 | lcuk | kerio, nope, i dont watch cartoons |
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| 17:07.41 | lcuk | but im gona anyway, time for simpsons |
| 17:07.48 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.00 | SpeedEvil | I'm a lot more supportive of 'stealing' content you can't - for no good reason - buy. |
| 17:08.13 | timeless | http://www.google.com/products?q=+Tokyo+Magnitude+8.0&aq=f |
| 17:08.16 | luke-jr | timeless: yeah, that's not really in a genre I like either, but it's unavoidably worth watching |
| 17:08.27 | timeless | $18.19 new |
| 17:08.28 | timeless | Logicalmart USA |
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| 17:09.43 | timeless | speedevil: hence my comment about people who would buy it once it was available in the us market |
| 17:09.56 | luke-jr | timeless: good find O.o |
| 17:10.00 | luke-jr | timeless: sure that's licensed? |
| 17:10.14 | timeless | luke-jr: i was tempted to wonder that aloud |
| 17:10.20 | timeless | isn't sure how to tell |
| 17:10.27 | timeless | my friends from college would know... |
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| 17:10.43 | luke-jr | all I found the other day was Region 2 |
| 17:10.59 | luke-jr | Disc Type : DVD x 1 |
| 17:11.10 | luke-jr | pretty sure TM8 was only ever made in a series of 5 DVDs/BluRay |
| 17:11.11 | timeless | it's listed as region free |
| 17:11.26 | timeless | really wonders how to figure out if it's licensed :( |
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| 17:11.57 | lcuk | bangs head on wall |
| 17:12.00 | timeless | they claim to be based in UK |
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| 17:12.17 | timeless | presumably you could contact a BB in the UK or something for reputation info |
| 17:12.30 | lardman | who's this? |
| 17:12.36 | timeless | http://www.logicalmart.com/about.php |
| 17:14.18 | lardman | I see no actual company address... |
| 17:14.43 | lardman | and HQ is in 3 countries |
| 17:15.15 | timeless | lardman: i don't know anything about the UK |
| 17:15.23 | timeless | but is it possible to figure out if a company is real? |
| 17:15.24 | kerio | metal slug lags |
| 17:15.25 | kerio | :( |
| 17:15.26 | SpeedEvil | timeless: Mostly harmless. |
| 17:15.32 | SpeedEvil | timeless: Define real. |
| 17:15.40 | SpeedEvil | You can look up companies house records |
| 17:15.47 | timeless | has articles of incorporation |
| 17:15.49 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: selling copyrighted materials legitimately |
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| 17:16.02 | timeless | has been established for as long as it claims |
| 17:16.12 | lardman | timeless: yeah, Companies House should have details of the directors |
| 17:16.15 | luke-jr | http://www.logicalmart.co.uk/terms.asp claims "All items sold by logicalmart.com are licensed, legal for sale and technically compliant in the countries of dispatch. " |
| 17:16.18 | SpeedEvil | http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/2816a71d5c06e8465ced4eb52ed33174/wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo |
| 17:16.38 | timeless | the real goal here is to ensure that the company is selling properly licensed media |
| 17:17.15 | timeless | speedevil: eep, my irc client split that at .gov., so i was going to ask a stupid question :) |
| 17:17.27 | timeless | joins the .uk portion |
| 17:18.02 | timeless | speedevil's link doesn't seem to list it :( |
| 17:18.06 | lardman | feels his skin crawl writing VB6 code |
| 17:18.26 | SpeedEvil | ponders rewriting his tesco scraper. |
| 17:18.33 | SpeedEvil | They 'improved' the website. |
| 17:18.37 | timeless | heh |
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| 17:19.01 | timeless | SpeedEvil: if someone makes a claim to be headquartered in .uk, and has a .uk domain |
| 17:19.10 | timeless | is it possible to go after them if they aren't incorporated? |
| 17:19.11 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - the nutritional info looks easier to parse. |
| 17:19.23 | SpeedEvil | timeless: I think not - there are very few requirements IIRC |
| 17:19.53 | lardman | SpeedEvil: mBarcode plugin! |
| 17:20.23 | SpeedEvil | Nominet say: 4.4 We do not impose restrictions on your status as applicant for the registration of a Domain Name in the following SLDs ("Open SLDs"): 4.4.1 .co.uk; or 4.4.2 .org.uk. |
| 17:20.29 | SpeedEvil | So, no |
| 17:20.39 | timeless | :( |
| 17:20.49 | SpeedEvil | lardman: no barcode data still - well - except incidentally where the packages happen to show it |
| 17:20.55 | lardman | but if they trade legally they must be a company |
| 17:20.59 | lardman | presumably? |
| 17:21.03 | timeless | luke-jr: if i were you, and i was interested |
| 17:21.06 | SpeedEvil | lardman: no |
| 17:21.08 | lardman | SpeedEvil: oh, shame |
| 17:21.12 | timeless | i'd contact them and ask for info |
| 17:21.21 | timeless | you might be able to contact their credit card processor too |
| 17:21.41 | SpeedEvil | lardman: it's legal to trade with - IIRC - not telling anyone but the taxman - if you're small enough |
| 17:21.48 | timeless | if they turn out to be bogus, do the web a favor and call them out on some of the rating services |
| 17:22.18 | lardman | SpeedEvil: fair enough |
| 17:22.44 | RST38h | heya lardman |
| 17:22.55 | timeless | http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.logicalmart.com |
| 17:23.00 | timeless | not a good sign :( |
| 17:23.02 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 17:23.34 | lardman | gets bored of portmon logs and goes to do the washing up, bbiab |
| 17:24.33 | timeless | :( |
| 17:24.33 | timeless | i wonder if you can complain to google product search |
| 17:24.33 | kerio | yay mame is unusable |
| 17:24.37 | luke-jr | timeless: they're not the only store w/ that DVD |
| 17:25.13 | timeless | nods |
| 17:25.17 | timeless | still sucks though |
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| 17:26.12 | trip0 | so is it just me, or does meegotouch in the maemo repos seem half-assed? |
| 17:26.39 | timeless | chuckles |
| 17:26.42 | timeless | why do you ask? :) |
| 17:26.50 | lcuk | as long as it works with your fingers, i dont care for buttock interface quality |
| 17:27.03 | timeless | heh |
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| 17:29.37 | luke-jr | timeless: BTW, ethical opinion on downloading fansubs and, if I like it, buying (unusable to me) Region 2 DVDs? :p |
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| 17:31.26 | timeless | luke-jr: i'd do it |
| 17:31.45 | trip0 | timeless, you literally can't build apps against it because of dep issues |
| 17:31.59 | lcuk | trip0, are you trying to build in maemo? |
| 17:32.06 | lcuk | if so, GOOD |
| 17:32.14 | lcuk | we need to iron out whatever may be there |
| 17:32.16 | trip0 | lcuk, i'm trying to build a meegotouch app in maemo |
| 17:32.20 | timeless | it's kinda unfortunate that japan and europe are in the same region |
| 17:32.31 | timeless | because you're not able to show the vendor that there's demand in the US |
| 17:32.44 | lcuk | ok trip0 what problems do you keep having? |
| 17:33.09 | trip0 | lcuk, autobuilder fails to bring in libmeegotouch-dev because libcontextsubscriber-dev is unavailable |
| 17:33.28 | timeless | eww |
| 17:33.32 | luke-jr | timeless: I don't get it |
| 17:34.21 | timeless | so... |
| 17:34.24 | luke-jr | timeless: also, I think that's a feature that will come with the next generation of artistic distribution (legal p2p and such)-- allowing people to buy derivative works legitimately (eg, fansubs) |
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| 17:34.34 | timeless | one goal is to encourage the producer to produce content which you can play |
| 17:34.42 | luke-jr | that is, by paying for the license to get the derivative |
| 17:35.04 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/libmeegotouch-dev/0.20.25-1.o20100705150722+0m6/ |
| 17:35.05 | timeless | nods |
| 17:35.10 | lcuk | ahh yes trip0 |
| 17:35.18 | lcuk | why is meegotouch in nonfree? |
| 17:35.28 | timeless | we're stupid ;-) |
| 17:35.31 | trip0 | heh, good question |
| 17:35.33 | trip0 | :P |
| 17:35.33 | timeless | it's usually a good reason |
| 17:35.40 | tybollt | because by touching yourself you give up your freedom? |
| 17:35.43 | timeless | it probably means it was built by a nokia builder |
| 17:35.46 | timeless | and uploaded raw |
| 17:35.51 | timeless | instead of using the autobuilder |
| 17:36.01 | timeless | mozilla used to be in non-free |
| 17:36.05 | lcuk | well it was uploaded without deps too |
| 17:36.13 | trip0 | whups |
| 17:36.35 | lcuk | trip0, do you want to post on maemo-dev mailing list about this and lets see who or what can be poked to get it updated |
| 17:36.44 | lcuk | will followup in the morning |
| 17:37.04 | timeless | trip0: i'd request you file a bug in bugs.maemo.org |
| 17:37.12 | trip0 | i'll file a bug |
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| 17:37.17 | timeless | :) |
| 17:37.26 | lcuk | reasonable enough |
| 17:37.28 | timeless | filed a few package bugs this week |
| 17:37.49 | lcuk | yeah that would be why i couldnt get any of the official meego apps to build |
| 17:37.49 | timeless | some clever guy made a source package for linux kernel headers |
| 17:37.50 | trip0 | doh, i have to create account |
| 17:37.53 | trip0 | so much for being lazy |
| 17:37.58 | timeless | which is just as big as the linux kernel source package :o |
| 17:38.12 | lcuk | yeah i saw timeless - that was on meego though wasnt it |
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| 17:38.19 | timeless | yep |
| 17:39.00 | lcuk | i mentioned the ML though because some coverage in normal circles that people are trying to build meegotouch apps on maemo would be good |
| 17:39.29 | timeless | oh yeah, please don't take my "please file a bug" as "don't send mail to the lists" |
| 17:39.29 | lcuk | trip0, once you file bug, let me know, ill tail onto cc |
| 17:39.53 | lcuk | i am interested in seeing what specifics are needed for meegtouch apps in maemo |
| 17:40.50 | kerio | what's meegotouch? |
| 17:40.57 | kerio | meego libraries for maemo? |
| 17:41.06 | lcuk | yes basically |
| 17:41.10 | timeless | well |
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| 17:41.14 | timeless | it's a ui toolkit for meego |
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| 17:42.04 | lcuk | goes making chips |
| 17:44.45 | MohammadAG51 | visits lcuk |
| 17:45.25 | kerio | /dcc lcuk get chips |
| 17:45.45 | timeless | > In March 2009, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown received a "wrong region" message on a screen when attempting to watch a DVD set of classic American movies received as a diplomatic gift from US President Barack Obama.[22] |
| 17:45.47 | timeless | awesome |
| 17:45.49 | kerio | wait, better be sure |
| 17:46.00 | kerio | whoops, sent the real command |
| 17:46.05 | kerio | lol |
| 17:46.30 | Stskeeps | seen GNUtoo |
| 17:47.14 | Stskeeps | ~seen GNUtoo |
| 17:47.17 | infobot | gnutoo <~gnutoo@host23-160-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 2d 22h 21m 35s ago, saying: 'maybe ask PaulFertser '. |
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| 17:48.04 | lardman | need a Windows reboot, back soon |
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| 17:53.05 | trip0 | lcuk, is there a product I should be filing against? |
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| 17:53.50 | trip0 | maemo6 tech preview? |
| 17:54.16 | lcuk | sounds reasonable |
| 17:54.30 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, sure come over, i cut too many |
| 17:56.17 | trip0 | lcuk, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 |
| 17:56.18 | povbot | Bug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies |
| 17:56.29 | trip0 | nice |
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| 17:57.19 | lcuk | trip0, cool |
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| 17:57.24 | lcuk | VOTED for this bug |
| 17:57.28 | lcuk | and added self to cc |
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| 17:57.44 | trip0 | yay |
| 17:57.45 | lcuk | anyone else interested in playing with meego touch applications on maremo need to see this bug highlighted and fixed |
| 17:57.50 | lcuk | maemo |
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| 18:00.26 | lardman | re |
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| 18:01.29 | lcuk | hey lardman|gone |
| 18:02.07 | lardman | hi lcuk |
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| 18:09.42 | lcuk | sighs |
| 18:09.57 | trip0 | :P |
| 18:10.12 | lcuk | lol trip0 |
| 18:10.17 | lcuk | something else actually ;) |
| 18:10.22 | trip0 | oh |
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| 18:10.51 | trip0 | heh |
| 18:11.13 | trip0 | lcuk, btw, i've run meegotouch apps on a netbook... |
| 18:11.21 | trip0 | i do like lots of things about running them |
| 18:11.40 | lcuk | but but but but thats like does not compute! |
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| 18:11.52 | trip0 | on a netbook, it's actually easier to use than say, gnome apps |
| 18:12.03 | lcuk | i bet sometimes they are |
| 18:12.12 | trip0 | except for when keyboard and scroll wheel are required |
| 18:12.19 | lcuk | can be overcome |
| 18:12.30 | lcuk | ive gone back to not having a keyboard on my n900 |
| 18:13.00 | lcuk | has it on a stand in portrait mode and is finding out how much requires neck snapping to look right |
| 18:13.07 | trip0 | haha |
| 18:13.52 | lcuk | tho im liking portrait mode for laying out things :) feels more roomier |
| 18:15.53 | trip0 | hehe |
| 18:17.50 | trip0 | meegotouch runs slow on the n900 :( |
| 18:18.02 | lcuk | you have the dependencies? |
| 18:18.12 | trip0 | installed widgetsgallery |
| 18:18.28 | trip0 | somehow... that's available |
| 18:18.28 | lcuk | widgetsgallery burns cpu cycles like a nuclear powerplant |
| 18:18.33 | trip0 | yes, it does |
| 18:18.34 | trip0 | haha |
| 18:19.04 | lcuk | but it appears to do what it says on the tin |
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| 18:20.36 | trip0 | i wonder if its because themedaemon isn't running... |
| 18:20.45 | trip0 | (the slowness/high cpu-ness) |
| 18:21.05 | lcuk | high cpu seems like its update method |
| 18:21.08 | lcuk | and not realising its idle |
| 18:21.26 | timeless | hrm, fremantle1.2 is now merging its index :) |
| 18:22.09 | trip0 | timeless, what does that mean? |
| 18:22.23 | timeless | mxr.maemo.org has fremantle1.0 basically |
| 18:22.31 | trip0 | lcuk, hmm... just sitting here, widgetsgallery is at 0cpu% |
| 18:22.31 | timeless | i skipped 1.1 ... |
| 18:22.44 | trip0 | when i scroll it goes up to 45% but is choppy as hell |
| 18:22.45 | timeless | but i just set up a new system to do indexing |
| 18:22.50 | timeless | and it's doing them incrementally |
| 18:23.00 | timeless | so it indexes one directory at a time (512 of them) |
| 18:23.05 | timeless | and then it merges |
| 18:23.11 | lcuk | hmm perhaps it was updated then trip0 (hopefully) |
| 18:23.13 | lcuk | you have a pm btw |
| 18:23.19 | lcuk | bbl food ready |
| 18:23.31 | timeless | (Pass 4) identifier 3013400 [upstart] of 460 / 512 files... |
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| 18:24.19 | timeless | the incremental bit should enable me to better handle cases where there's an update to just one package |
| 18:25.27 | timeless | it should only show the meego content :) |
| 18:25.32 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
| 18:27.12 | PolarFox | wtf just happened.. I didn't input my pin code for ... 30 minutes or so.. and now N900 booted to some weird mode.. :) |
| 18:28.01 | PolarFox | Like I don't have a window manager .. and one desktop.. with all the widgets from every other desktop too.. :) |
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| 18:30.37 | PolarFox | Hmm.. I didn't even enter my locking code.. |
| 18:30.43 | solrize | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57906 yikes |
| 18:31.20 | PolarFox | I am here program? |
| 18:31.36 | PolarFox | might it be that one? It's a stealthy bugger.. ;) |
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| 18:36.12 | nidO | it baffles me how a keyboard manufacture can release an expensive keyboard that can't properly be used as a keyboard :< |
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| 18:39.04 | timeless | ooh, all done |
| 18:39.39 | D-Iivil | Has anyone seen error message like this @ N900: screen goes white with Nokia logo (same as boot) and upper left corner has green text "unexpected malfunction. device will shutdown in 10 seconds" :D |
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| 18:40.03 | cehteh | hopes never seeing that |
| 18:40.42 | cehteh | well .. what did you do to your device? custom kernel, overclocking, faulty reflashing, dropping, became wet? ... |
| 18:40.56 | D-Iivil | Phone did boot up after taking battery out, but I still reflashed since I could not figure out what was eating the rootfs... |
| 18:41.26 | cehteh | huh? |
| 18:41.41 | D-Iivil | cehteh, I suspect it was because of overclocking and something corrupted. |
| 18:41.45 | cehteh | so you reflashed now and it works again or it doesnt work since you reflashed? |
| 18:42.08 | D-Iivil | cehteh, works fine after reflash :) |
| 18:42.20 | cehteh | too much overclocking then |
| 18:42.23 | D-Iivil | And OC @ 950mHz. |
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| 18:42.54 | cehteh | some vital data got corrupted, filesystem structure or whatever |
| 18:43.00 | D-Iivil | cehteh, probable that's the case. It just was a small wtf-moment when the text appeared :P |
| 18:43.11 | cehteh | maybe even some hardware damaged .. have fun :P |
| 18:43.32 | D-Iivil | cehteh, that's risk I have chosen to take :P |
| 18:43.55 | cehteh | i have mine at 750Mhz, wont go any higher |
| 18:45.30 | trip0 | mine is 850 right now |
| 18:45.43 | trip0 | but it's more stable at 750 |
| 18:45.52 | cehteh | sooner or later people will fry their device :P |
| 18:46.00 | BCMM | just get several n900s and make a cluster |
| 18:46.22 | BCMM | better battery life than overclocking, and cheaper in the long run |
| 18:48.49 | D-Iivil | Never had any stability-issues even with 1050mHz. |
| 18:49.07 | cehteh | you had at least one ... |
| 18:49.27 | cehteh | besides a lot if errors leap in silently and corrupt data in the back |
| 18:49.33 | D-Iivil | cehteh, heh :D |
| 18:49.52 | lcuk | BCMM, wheres the clustering software, i have the n900s :P |
| 18:49.56 | D-Iivil | BCMM, don't have enough pockets for a cluster made of N900s :P |
| 18:50.01 | lcuk | is working on clustering tho ;) |
| 18:50.03 | cehteh | often unnoticed, sometimes not persistent because you close the application which gets corrupted before you notice |
| 18:50.32 | cehteh | you prolly only notice errors when they damage vital data which gets written to disk |
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| 18:51.11 | cehteh | (or cause a instant crash) |
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| 18:51.33 | cehteh | in any way that may be only a faction of all errors which occur by overclocking |
| 18:51.45 | D-Iivil | Anyways, just wanted to share the bizard error. Now I'll go and warm up sauna :) |
| 18:52.13 | cehteh | with OC n900? :) |
| 18:52.26 | MohammadAG51 | not this again |
| 18:52.50 | cehteh | MohammadAG51: btw how do you manage to get a 6 minutes boot? |
| 18:52.53 | FIQ | hi |
| 18:52.58 | MohammadAG51 | cehteh, idk |
| 18:53.08 | cehteh | lol |
| 18:53.11 | FIQ | why doesn't greasemonkey work properly? |
| 18:53.17 | MohammadAG51 | telepathy loads the device a lot when signing in |
| 18:53.28 | MohammadAG51 | signing in takes a lot of time on some protocols |
| 18:53.31 | FIQ | it prompt for installing the script but clicking "Yes" results in nothong |
| 18:53.42 | BCMM | yeah, you can't really declare an OCed system stable unless you've run memtest or something for many hours |
| 18:53.48 | MohammadAG51 | hildon desktop regenerates a menu full of a shitload of icons |
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| 18:54.27 | MohammadAG51 | any ideas when/how the N900 will support packet injection? |
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| 18:55.11 | cehteh | raw sockets or wlan packets? |
| 18:55.33 | BCMM | MohammadAG51: wouldn't that be a simple kernel recompile? |
| 18:55.58 | BCMM | oh, what cehteh said actually |
| 18:56.28 | cehteh | well first one should be doable with stock kernel, second on, dunno how |
| 18:56.40 | MohammadAG51 | idk, for aireplay-ng |
| 18:56.45 | MohammadAG51 | wlan i suppose |
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| 18:57.38 | kerio | i thought the kernel-power already did that |
| 18:57.48 | kerio | aireplay is reported working afaik |
| 18:58.58 | MohammadAG51 | with --deauth? |
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| 18:59.14 | RST38h | Anyone seen Gizmodo RSS entries that contain a huge decimal number instead of the text??? |
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| 19:01.59 | D-Iivil | Temperature check of the day: outside +23C, N900 +35C, sauna (soon to be) +80C, beer +4C |
| 19:02.09 | RST38h | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/07/340x_porn-wireless.jpg |
| 19:02.14 | RST38h | priceless |
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| 19:02.51 | RST38h | Beer+N900=15.5C aka dead N900 |
| 19:03.11 | D-Iivil | RST38h, :D |
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| 19:04.08 | D-Iivil | RST38h, priceless photo indeed :P |
| 19:06.45 | mortini | hah, i used to work for this guy that had all these open share pr0n shares on his laptop. he'd go to do sales calls on various client sites |
| 19:06.56 | mortini | i always wondered what'd happen if a client found his pr0n share |
| 19:07.17 | ZogG | porn ftw |
| 19:07.19 | mortini | esp. because some of the clients were extra-conservative |
| 19:07.46 | ZogG | can some one feel the bug report on maemo, we need new flash to watch porn on n900 |
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| 19:09.07 | RST38h | ZogG: it will slow down the device |
| 19:09.12 | RST38h | so I would rather not! |
| 19:09.31 | D-Iivil | RST38h, porn will slow down the device? |
| 19:11.16 | tobis87 | BCMM: you would only need to recompile the wlan module. |
| 19:13.18 | RST38h | D-Iivil: Flash player will |
| 19:13.25 | D-Iivil | What would be the easiest language to start learning if I wanted to make a GUI for simple copy / rename / move files script? |
| 19:13.59 | RST38h | There is a command line utility for showing simple dialogs |
| 19:14.03 | D-Iivil | For maemo5 |
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| 19:14.05 | RST38h | That would probably be the best |
| 19:14.15 | D-Iivil | RST38h, I'm already using zenity. |
| 19:14.21 | RST38h | yep |
| 19:14.53 | RST38h | Besides that, either C++/Qt or C/Gtk+, with C++/Qt being easier |
| 19:14.56 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, python imho is easy |
| 19:15.06 | D-Iivil | But I was thinking of coding something more intuative since it seems like I have to add lots of options to my theme color scheme selector. |
| 19:15.13 | RST38h | I would recommend Python, but then your installer would be unusable for anybody who has no Python installed |
| 19:15.32 | MohammadAG51 | nope, just depends on it :P |
| 19:15.37 | RST38h | Adding options to qt or gtk+ stuff is not a problem, as long as you have got the base program right |
| 19:16.00 | RST38h | It all becomes more or less cut&paste job at that point |
| 19:16.01 | D-Iivil | Does Python have some sort of visual design software for Win or Ubuntu? |
| 19:16.07 | RST38h | no |
| 19:16.19 | RST38h | but, again, visual design is overrated |
| 19:16.42 | RST38h | especially for UIs which do not require you to provide absolute placement |
| 19:16.45 | tobis87 | D-Iivil: Maybe geany |
| 19:16.54 | RST38h | Geany is not a visual design tool |
| 19:17.04 | tobis87 | ok, but does help a lot |
| 19:17.11 | RST38h | Not at all |
| 19:17.17 | RST38h | As I said, it does not do UI design |
| 19:17.30 | RST38h | More or less like MSVC IDE |
| 19:17.34 | D-Iivil | Ofcourse it would be more helpfull for the future to learn the basics and code it from the scratch. |
| 19:17.52 | RST38h | D-Iivil: For practicality reasons, I suggest Qt/C++ |
| 19:18.08 | D-Iivil | Already installed Nokia QT SDK but haven't yet looked into it closely. |
| 19:18.16 | RST38h | D-Iivil: You do not need it |
| 19:18.29 | RST38h | D-Iivil: Plain vanilla Scratchbox will do |
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| 19:18.51 | RST38h | Madde will probably do as well |
| 19:18.52 | MohammadAG51 | scratchbox owns the Qt SDK tbh |
| 19:18.52 | D-Iivil | RST38h, yeah. And I already have scratchbox running. |
| 19:19.02 | MohammadAG51 | i find the deb packager retarded |
| 19:19.35 | RST38h | D-Iivil: As I said before, the visual design stuff is overrated: you will find yourself spending 70% time fighting the designer and go plain text anyway |
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| 19:20.17 | RST38h | D-Iivil: One important thing is to STAY AWAY FROM AUTOTOOLS |
| 19:20.29 | noctule | evening all |
| 19:20.29 | MohammadAG51 | lol yeah |
| 19:20.29 | lcuk | RST38h, they say notepad built more of the web than any GUI designer tool |
| 19:20.30 | RST38h | You do not need autotools to compile a Maemo app. |
| 19:20.42 | MohammadAG51 | RST38h, XChat 2.8.8, NAO |
| 19:20.48 | RST38h | lcuk: Well, notepad is stretching it |
| 19:21.02 | RST38h | lcuk: It is kinda difficult to use |
| 19:21.14 | RST38h | lcuk: But NANO does the job, indeed |
| 19:21.19 | lcuk | not really, did you see the amount of geocities hackers who spawned a generation :P |
| 19:21.38 | RST38h | Geocities and Hacker cannot be used in the same sentence |
| 19:22.00 | lcuk | and i use hacker in the <blink>gentlest</blink> manner |
| 19:22.03 | Rabidus | you just did |
| 19:22.08 | noctule | lcuk: my eyes are still rubbish from all of the <blink> tags |
| 19:22.15 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:22.22 | RST38h | lcuk: That is called "script kiddie" |
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| 19:22.45 | noctule | RST38h: geocities predated the script kiddies by a looong shot |
| 19:22.54 | RST38h | ah really... |
| 19:23.27 | noctule | Now, I *shows age* remember when all of the javascript web chats started up... |
| 19:23.32 | noctule | script kiddie galore |
| 19:23.39 | lcuk | script kiddies were born of a head on crash between an AOL user and geocities god |
| 19:24.02 | noctule | lcuk: too right!!! |
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| 19:25.29 | noctule | I'm starting to feel all nostalgic for really badly designed websites and people using handles like "acidburn" |
| 19:25.44 | lcuk | noctule, relive that on myspace |
| 19:25.57 | lcuk | acidjazz, hi btw \o |
| 19:25.57 | noctule | I may need to medicate myself by slamming my head in the fridge for an hour |
| 19:26.00 | konfoo | we were callin em script kiddies in the 80s... |
| 19:26.11 | konfoo | back when hacking x.25 was all the rage |
| 19:26.31 | lcuk | binary hacks to programs to replace title with "[doofus] was ere" |
| 19:26.35 | noctule | lcuk: hasn't myspace died yet? |
| 19:26.45 | lcuk | yourspace mightv |
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| 19:38.57 | acidjazz | yo lcuk |
| 19:39.34 | lcuk | \o |
| 19:39.45 | lcuk | hi acidjazz :D |
| 19:40.08 | RST38h | wonders what evil he should commit tonight |
| 19:43.20 | noctule | Does anyone here know who is maintaining claws on maemo 5? |
| 19:43.58 | RST38h | the guy mentioned in the changes file? |
| 19:44.33 | noctule | lol good point. |
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| 20:17.36 | Nadley | noctule: claws works on n900 ? |
| 20:18.23 | jacekowski | for long time already |
| 20:19.36 | Nadley | jacekowski: ok because if I look on the web site they juste talk about "Nokia internet tablets such as the 770, n800, or n810" |
| 20:20.11 | jacekowski | well, any non opengl linux app can be ported with minimal effort |
| 20:20.16 | jacekowski | well, "ported" |
| 20:23.30 | GAN900 | Somebody seems to be thumbing a lot of stuff on Planet that's negative towards Nokia. |
| 20:23.34 | noctule | Nadley: It's been ported, but the interface needs some work to make it usable |
| 20:23.49 | Nadley | ok ok |
| 20:24.27 | noctule | last time I looked, modest had issues with gpg |
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| 20:24.40 | noctule | that said, I don't search TMO nearly as much as I should do |
| 20:25.08 | noctule | that's why I'm wanting to either work on the UI for claws, or build my own |
| 20:25.47 | jacekowski | claws is an overkill for n900 |
| 20:25.51 | noctule | starting from scratch on an email client is probably a lot more than my current available time allows though |
| 20:25.59 | jacekowski | modest is too poor instead |
| 20:26.23 | noctule | jacekowski: could really do with something in the middle |
| 20:26.30 | jacekowski | i want something like mail client in opera |
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| 20:27.11 | noctule | Haven't used opera's mail client. Anything to recommend it? |
| 20:29.30 | jacekowski | well, it's simple, fast and has fast working search |
| 20:29.50 | noctule | Does it cope reasonably well with encryption? |
| 20:30.11 | jacekowski | transport level encryption or e-mail encryption? |
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| 20:31.50 | noctule | email encryption |
| 20:32.17 | jacekowski | nope |
| 20:32.23 | noctule | bah LOL |
| 20:32.41 | jacekowski | i don't send anything like that over internet |
| 20:33.46 | jacekowski | besides, where do you send e-mail that require encryption? |
| 20:34.33 | noctule | Sadly, I'm one of the type that feels they should encrypt everything |
| 20:34.52 | noctule | and I've been rather rubbish at that since getting my N900 |
| 20:35.06 | jacekowski | well, i don't send any "sensitive" data over internet |
| 20:35.23 | noctule | All data is sensitive, in one way or another ;) |
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| 20:35.33 | jacekowski | because you can safely assume that if somebody wants to |
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| 20:35.47 | jacekowski | then that data will be decrypted in less than ~20 years |
| 20:35.49 | lcuk | noctule, does irc support encryption (this channel) |
| 20:35.56 | kerio | jacekowski: 20 years? |
| 20:36.01 | jacekowski | kerio: yeah |
| 20:36.08 | kerio | use a bigger key |
| 20:36.17 | jacekowski | encryption test |
| 20:36.30 | jacekowski | +OK tzNYX0EzpAw/ |
| 20:36.50 | jacekowski | that's how you encrypt irc |
| 20:37.03 | noctule | lcuk: haven't tried |
| 20:37.04 | lcuk | jacekowski, wouldn't that leave a stain |
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| 20:37.18 | jacekowski | kerio: well, bigger keys are easier to attack using related key attacks |
| 20:37.27 | lcuk | noctule, then you are leaking information now |
| 20:37.35 | jacekowski | kerio: and 256bit vrsion of RSA have been seriously weakened |
| 20:37.50 | noctule | lcuk: I've been bleeding data since January |
| 20:38.01 | jacekowski | kerio: to the level that on half decent cluster you can bruteforce it in less than 10 years |
| 20:38.07 | lcuk | noctule, not before? |
| 20:38.21 | noctule | lcuk: less before |
| 20:38.22 | kerio | jacekowski: my faith in cryptography has been destroyed right now |
| 20:38.34 | jacekowski | kerio: every cipher has a weak side |
| 20:38.44 | jacekowski | kerio: it's only matter of finding it |
| 20:39.10 | Macer | haha |
| 20:39.11 | lcuk | which is where human flaws usually come into it |
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| 20:39.27 | jacekowski | every cipher will be broken |
| 20:39.35 | noctule | yeah, think about the most recent "spy" news |
| 20:39.54 | noctule | 27 characters, all written down for the stego app LOL |
| 20:40.05 | jacekowski | don't treat cryptography as permanent way of encrypting something |
| 20:40.17 | jacekowski | more like a way of delayin when plaintext will be known by attacker |
| 20:40.23 | jacekowski | delaying* |
| 20:40.28 | jacekowski | where delay isn't known |
| 20:40.40 | jacekowski | and it can be anywhere from seconds to years |
| 20:40.58 | noctule | I've always seen it as a method of making it a waste of effort to decrypt |
| 20:41.05 | kerio | how about just using pure 16k RSA? |
| 20:41.16 | jacekowski | noctule: with current amounts of processing power |
| 20:41.25 | jacekowski | kerio: it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow |
| 20:41.31 | kerio | but secure! |
| 20:41.31 | kerio | :D |
| 20:41.37 | jacekowski | one time pad is secure |
| 20:41.48 | kerio | also, quantum computing would solve RSA instantly |
| 20:42.00 | kerio | get two random numbers, check if they're the public key |
| 20:42.05 | kerio | if they're not, destroy the universe |
| 20:42.17 | jacekowski | sort of |
| 20:42.30 | noctule | jacekowski: what was the key size for the Brazilian bloke that the FBI couldn't crack? |
| 20:42.38 | jacekowski | quantum mechanics works on probability |
| 20:42.41 | jacekowski | noctule: 128 bit |
| 20:43.04 | jacekowski | noctule: but that's just luck |
| 20:43.12 | RST38h | The universe is awaiting the next garbage collector pass, anyway... |
| 20:43.18 | noctule | Couldn't remember right off. At least we have an estimation of weakness |
| 20:43.36 | noctule | It's still all probability that the very first brute force attempt cracks it |
| 20:43.49 | jacekowski | noctule: yeah |
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| 20:44.19 | jacekowski | noctule: that's why it's important to don't allow interception |
| 20:44.54 | noctule | jacekowski: Indeed |
| 20:45.07 | jacekowski | because if data is intercepted |
| 20:45.11 | jacekowski | it will be cracked |
| 20:45.16 | jacekowski | in one way or another |
| 20:45.16 | noctule | jacekowski: eventually |
| 20:45.33 | jacekowski | and it's pure luck if it will be cracked when it's still usable for attacker |
| 20:46.03 | jacekowski | in case of that brazilian bloke he got lucky that they couldn't crack it it in time |
| 20:46.26 | jacekowski | that's why you should use 2 different ciphers as well |
| 20:46.53 | jacekowski | so if somebody manages to find some flaw in a cipher you still have another |
| 20:46.54 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe not do anything illegal. |
| 20:47.04 | kerio | SpeedEvil: not really the point here, you know |
| 20:47.05 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that's overrated |
| 20:47.09 | noctule | Doing something illegal is neither here nor there |
| 20:47.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:47.30 | SpeedEvil | OTP is getting more and more plausible for stuff |
| 20:47.59 | noctule | When it comes to sending messages, I just like to know that its at least plausible that it will only be read by the recipient |
| 20:48.28 | noctule | and I like to sign my messages so that friends and family know that I'm the one that sent it |
| 20:48.47 | jacekowski | noctule: you have strange family |
| 20:48.52 | noctule | Or that someone sending the spam in my name at least has access to my pc |
| 20:49.00 | jacekowski | my family doesn't know how verify signatuere |
| 20:49.01 | noctule | jacekowski: you have no idea LOL |
| 20:49.03 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's an extended family! |
| 20:49.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:49.13 | jacekowski | signature* |
| 20:49.22 | noctule | I had to teach them |
| 20:49.43 | noctule | It just means they stop forwarding me junk, mostly LOL |
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| 20:58.29 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, whats most common mechanism for OTP |
| 20:58.43 | lcuk | i tohught it was just a random sequence, formula unknown to all outside the system |
| 20:58.46 | lcuk | thought |
| 20:59.02 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:59.35 | SpeedEvil | I mean that - for example - a 16Gb OTP would have been unthinkable 20 years ago for many apps, now it's not. |
| 20:59.58 | SpeedEvil | And that'll get you days of voice, or decades of text messaging. |
| 21:00.17 | lcuk | ahh SpeedEvil so its prerecorded |
| 21:00.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:00.42 | kerio | sure, let me fill half of my n900 to chat safely on facebook |
| 21:00.46 | kerio | :P |
| 21:00.58 | noctule | chat safely on facebook?!?! LMAO |
| 21:01.06 | noctule | kerio: thank you |
| 21:01.14 | trip0 | safe? facebook? hahaha |
| 21:01.43 | kerio | assuming encrypted text between me and the recipient |
| 21:03.00 | noctule | kerio: it's not the method used to communicate with facebook, it's facebook itself |
| 21:03.07 | noctule | kerio: I thought you were joking |
| 21:03.14 | kerio | i am |
| 21:05.10 | noctule | whew, I thought I was going to have an aneurysm for a sec |
| 21:06.16 | Macer | so. how is meego going on the n900? |
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| 21:06.18 | Macer | :) |
| 21:06.50 | kerio | well, technically you can use facebook to exchange GPGed messages |
| 21:07.06 | kerio | not sure *why* one would do that |
| 21:07.09 | kerio | but still |
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| 21:08.07 | noctule | kerio: I'll allow the possibility and the insanity on that one -l- |
| 21:08.40 | kerio | heh |
| 21:09.08 | kerio | bonus points if you connect to it using a public hotspot |
| 21:09.27 | mneptok | kerio: you just have to give Mark Zuckerberg your private key passphrase as he steals your car. |
| 21:12.24 | noctule | mneptok: and sells your family into some advertising slavery ring |
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| 21:15.17 | Macer | sorry kerio they will still know you are picking up children |
| 21:15.22 | Macer | :) |
| 21:15.27 | Venemo | good evening guys |
| 21:15.31 | Macer | cipher or no cipher |
| 21:15.49 | kerio | Macer: nah, i'm into milfs |
| 21:16.04 | noctule | Venemo: Evening, how goes? |
| 21:16.36 | mneptok | kerio: mastering inane, lame Facbook sh*t? |
| 21:17.08 | kerio | nice backronym |
| 21:17.33 | Venemo | noctule, well, thanks for asking :) |
| 21:17.39 | Venemo | noctule: how about you? |
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| 21:18.14 | noctule | Venemo: not too bad, just irritating everyone by yammering about encrypted email |
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| 21:19.16 | mneptok | thank you, thank you. i'm here all week. try the veal. |
| 21:19.18 | Venemo | noctule: I'm working on some features for Sticky Notes :) |
| 21:19.37 | noctule | Venemo: nice, what've you got lined up? |
| 21:20.03 | noctule | mneptok: what, no tipping the waitresses? |
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| 21:20.35 | Venemo | noctule: most of the stuff in the "planned features" section of its thread, plus some more stuff |
| 21:20.49 | Venemo | noctule: I managed to incorporate Hildon-Extras in it, too |
| 21:21.53 | noctule | Venemo: excellent, when do you need a tester? |
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| 21:22.40 | Venemo | noctule: if you feel like it, I can send you a pre-release .deb in some time :) |
| 21:23.23 | noctule | Venemo: that would be great, just send me the link and I'll test away |
| 21:23.32 | Venemo | noctule: thanks :) |
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| 21:24.03 | noctule | Venemo: np |
| 21:25.03 | Venemo | noctule: are you familiar with Sticky Notes btw, or you're just being kind? :) |
| 21:25.58 | lcuk | makes a note on Venemo's n900: accept the kindness of others without question :p |
| 21:26.18 | noctule | Venemo: familiar, haven't played with it much yet though |
| 21:26.30 | Venemo | lcuk: :P |
| 21:26.34 | Venemo | noctule: thx :) |
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| 21:28.11 | noctule | Venemo: my memory is rubbish, was it you that I was discussing the EVE online widget with? |
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| 21:28.23 | noctule | This is months back, btw |
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| 21:29.00 | Venemo | noctule: yes, it was me |
| 21:29.20 | noctule | Venemo: thought so =) |
| 21:29.25 | Venemo | noctule: while the EVE app is still in progress, I wanted some proof-of concept for my multi-widget solution |
| 21:29.47 | noctule | Venemo: my desktop twitter app is still disappointing |
| 21:29.54 | Venemo | noctule: some people liked it, so I uploaded to -devel, and now even more people like it. I also received some ideas and feature requests |
| 21:29.58 | Venemo | noctule: how so? |
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| 21:30.24 | noctule | Venemo: trying to limit the features lol |
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| 21:30.35 | Venemo | noctule: I know the feeling |
| 21:30.45 | noctule | Venemo: I think TweeGo is a pretty good app, and it serves its niche |
| 21:31.09 | Venemo | noctule: I haven't tried it yet (I don't use twitter), so I can't judge it. |
| 21:31.44 | noctule | Venemo: Twitter and IRC are about as social as I get |
| 21:32.08 | Venemo | noctule: hehe. |
| 21:32.37 | noctule | Venemo: creating an app that sits on the desktop, checks the tweets when you want it to and posts messages was what I set out to do |
| 21:33.31 | noctule | Venemo: then I got stuck thinking about the possibilities with the API, and then switching back and forth between hildon and Qt...I may just publish it and let users decide where it goes |
| 21:34.27 | Venemo | noctule: well, Hildon and Qt can live together if you don't want to do any insanity with them |
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| 21:34.59 | noctule | Venemo: Define "insanity" lol |
| 21:35.17 | Venemo | noctule: my app is written in Qt, but I've just incorporated some stuff from Hildon Extras into it |
| 21:35.51 | Zucca | Hm. I'm trying (just at this moment) to record video with led flash (torch) on... Is it possible? |
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| 21:36.13 | Zucca | On N900. |
| 21:36.16 | Venemo | noctule: insanity would be to add Hildon widgets to a Qt app or Qt widgets to a Hildon app... however I don't think it is impossible, but it definitely would take too much of an effort |
| 21:36.32 | Venemo | Zucca: I think there's an app for that, but I can't recall its name |
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| 21:37.50 | Venemo | noctule: can I pm you? |
| 21:38.16 | noctule | Venemo: sure thing |
| 21:38.41 | Macer | i find it odd on freenode people say pm |
| 21:38.58 | Macer | the jargon just seems wrong |
| 21:39.19 | Zucca | Ok. I even tried to start torch app first but then camera app wont start if the leds are on. |
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| 21:44.57 | lardman | so, Python + Qt on the device, PyQt4? |
| 21:45.10 | lardman | or PySide (or whatever it's called)? |
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| 21:47.51 | lardman | hmm, PySide it is then |
| 21:48.18 | luke-jr | it's PyQt4... |
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| 21:48.36 | lardman | or PySide though, so I understand |
| 21:49.46 | luke-jr | ah |
| 21:49.50 | luke-jr | PySide is a rewrite of PyQt |
| 21:50.19 | lardman | yeah, looks that way |
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| 21:55.53 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:56.31 | b-man | ~MohammadAG |
| 21:56.32 | infobot | from memory, mohammadag is special |
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| 21:56.39 | b-man | lol |
| 21:56.53 | xnt14 | :P |
| 21:57.01 | MohammadAG51 | b-man, screw you xD |
| 21:57.11 | b-man | xnt14 asked me to xD |
| 21:57.23 | xnt14 | b-man: no you wanted to show it to me xD |
| 21:58.10 | b-man | xD |
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| 22:02.45 | dotblank | hmm I can't set the background color style |
| 22:02.50 | dotblank | in anything |
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| 22:10.42 | jacekowski | hmmm, that's strange at least |
| 22:10.58 | jacekowski | bme is using dsme lifeguard as well as that upstart thing |
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| 22:12.51 | noctule | night all |
| 22:13.00 | Venemo1 | night! |
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| 22:16.29 | lardman | night chaps |
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| 22:22.31 | tybollt | ~tybollt |
| 22:22.32 | infobot | from memory, tybollt is some bloody idiot |
| 22:23.36 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 22:23.50 | b-man | xDDD |
| 22:24.36 | trip0 | ouch |
| 22:24.38 | tybollt | :D |
| 22:24.52 | tybollt | <3 infobot |
| 22:25.03 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, $50 |
| 22:25.04 | infobot | ACTION takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off |
| 22:25.18 | tybollt | infobot: $0.1 |
| 22:25.21 | trip0 | O_o |
| 22:25.24 | b-man | LOL |
| 22:25.27 | trip0 | fail |
| 22:25.27 | tybollt | infobot: $100 |
| 22:25.28 | infobot | ACTION gives tybollt full service! |
| 22:25.28 | MohammadAG51 | xDDDD |
| 22:25.32 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 22:25.32 | tybollt | infobot: $1000 |
| 22:25.36 | trip0 | haha |
| 22:25.38 | trip0 | fail |
| 22:25.45 | tybollt | trip0: win |
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| 22:25.53 | trip0 | infobot: -$100 |
| 22:25.59 | b-man | ~rape trip0 |
| 22:26.00 | infobot | ACTION takes trip0 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 22:26.11 | MohammadAG51 | rofl |
| 22:26.14 | trip0 | lol, walmart |
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| 22:26.14 | mneptok | *blink* |
| 22:26.15 | b-man | xD |
| 22:26.20 | tybollt | ~lol |
| 22:26.20 | infobot | lol is probably stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 22:26.42 | b-man | infobot is a grammar nazi xD |
| 22:26.43 | MohammadAG51 | do '/me lol' instead. |
| 22:26.49 | MohammadAG51 | do /me instead. |
| 22:26.56 | MohammadAG51 | does infobot |
| 22:26.57 | tybollt | infobot |
| 22:27.03 | trip0 | does me |
| 22:27.09 | tybollt | slaps MohammadAG51 w/ frals |
| 22:27.26 | b-man | ~frals |
| 22:27.27 | MohammadAG51 | trip0, talk about "go fuck yourself" :P |
| 22:28.36 | MohammadAG51 | b-man, he's undefined |
| 22:28.48 | b-man | indeed |
| 22:29.12 | MohammadAG51 | b-man, try now |
| 22:29.16 | b-man | ~frals |
| 22:29.17 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, frals is a large smelly trout |
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| 22:29.23 | b-man | lol |
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| 22:55.26 | kojacker | Hi all, I received a donation for the competition from a very nice chap called Rene but I don't know his maemo.org username to thank him or add him to the list. Anyone know anyone called Rene? :) |
| 23:00.40 | PolarFox | Sound french.. :D |
| 23:00.53 | PolarFox | Sounds.. ANd I sshould be asleep |
| 23:03.18 | kojacker | Ive been googling, I think he's Norweigan .. and yes you should be asleep! |
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| 23:21.37 | raster | meh |
| 23:21.50 | Stskeeps | mehmeh |
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| 23:33.37 | mortini | raster: meh indeedy. |
| 23:34.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've spoken to some people that are in RE business for a lot longer than i am |
| 23:35.19 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and according to them it would be perfectly legal for me to publish whitepaper about BME based on RE |
| 23:35.51 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but then somebody else would have to write the code |
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| 23:36.22 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design |
| 23:36.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I never said it's illegal. I said Nokia will not accept *any* bme replacement as soon as it looks like it *could* be based on RE |
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| 23:38.28 | jacekowski | well, it wouldn't |
| 23:38.52 | jacekowski | it would be based on .pdf |
| 23:39.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you know about lean room design, I guess I don't have to explain it's impossible for any hobbyist to write a bme replacement in a way Nokia would change their mind. After such RE'd code had been published |
| 23:39.08 | jacekowski | and that .pdf can be based on re |
| 23:39.45 | jacekowski | it wouldn't be REd code |
| 23:39.50 | raster | Stskeeps: mehmehmeh |
| 23:39.54 | raster | mortini: meh++ |
| 23:40.01 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: MEEEEEEH! |
| 23:40.05 | trip0 | ~meh |
| 23:40.06 | infobot | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase |
| 23:40.38 | mortini | so, uhm, probably not the place for this question, but, idk. anyone have access to systems with infiniband/experience with? |
| 23:40.59 | trip0 | O_o |
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| 23:45.02 | raster | mortini: odd place to ask that |
| 23:45.13 | raster | been years since i even heard anyone talk of infiniband |
| 23:45.50 | jacekowski | mortini: well, i've been using infiniband not so long ago |
| 23:46.23 | mortini | raster: yeah, i figured. i'm not sure *where* to ask. |
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| 23:47.53 | Pavlz | hello |
| 23:48.17 | Pavlz | i got a problem between nokia 770 and linksys wrt54gs |
| 23:48.18 | raster | mortini: well last it passed by my ears was way back at valinux when doing supercomputer clusters |
| 23:48.24 | jacekowski | mortini: #networking migt be little bit better place |
| 23:48.57 | Pavlz | it refuses to work |
| 23:49.13 | mortini | raster: yeah, that's my context as well. |
| 23:49.14 | Pavlz | on the linksys wrt54gs there is openwrt |
| 23:49.34 | Pavlz | i tried: ad-hoc, client and access point |
| 23:49.47 | mortini | heh, the datacenter at work has some valinux box racked and powered on. it makes me laugh. |
| 23:50.14 | Pavlz | it replies : network problem if i try to use the browser |
| 23:50.30 | raster | mortini: hahahahahahah blast from the past |
| 23:50.49 | crashanddie | GAN900: I just made a superb shot :) |
| 23:51.50 | mortini | jacekowski: thanks, not sure i'm that brave tonight. |
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| 23:57.33 | crashanddie | GAN900 & GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4769110439/ |
