| 00:00.27 | MohammadAG | timetochange, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/zImage-framebuffer.bin |
| 00:00.41 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:00.43 | MohammadAG | nevermind :/ |
| 00:00.51 | MohammadAG | it uses a different extraversion |
| 00:00.54 | MohammadAG | it won't find modules |
| 00:01.08 | timetochange | oh |
| 00:01.19 | timetochange | um |
| 00:01.31 | timetochange | what should I do? |
| 00:02.09 | salman_ | or maybe I should ask this first, does maemo have a standard/open source/ documented storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc? |
| 00:02.41 | MohammadAG | timetochange, you could flash the whole device, contacts should stay there, but you'll lose apps |
| 00:03.06 | timetochange | is there a way to get this framebuffer thing working - it will show me what's wrong right? |
| 00:03.17 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 00:03.19 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:03.20 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 00:03.24 | MohammadAG | I'll compile a kernel for you |
| 00:03.30 | timetochange | thanks a lot |
| 00:03.33 | MohammadAG | xnt14, ty for the scratchbox :p |
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| 00:08.04 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 00:08.12 | jacekowski | i've just noticed that there is java for maemo |
| 00:08.37 | b-man | yup |
| 00:08.45 | b-man | there's also netbeans xD |
| 00:10.11 | b-man | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53514&highlight=netbeans |
| 00:10.35 | MohammadAG | shameless advertising |
| 00:11.57 | salman_ | promising application: http://www.hallysonluiz.com/maemo/?p=18 |
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| 00:12.31 | b-man | MohammadAG lol |
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| 00:16.25 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if anybody remebers when i was talking some time ago about my idea of OTA sync with phone |
| 00:16.28 | jacekowski | including files |
| 00:17.09 | jacekowski | btw. did i mention that i'm amazed with battery life when i switched my phone to 2g only mode |
| 00:17.23 | jacekowski | it's like 2x longer |
| 00:18.15 | timetochange | Hows it going MohammadAG? |
| 00:19.20 | MohammadAG | timetochange, still compiling |
| 00:19.55 | timetochange | great |
| 00:20.05 | MohammadAG | timetochange, done, copying over |
| 00:20.30 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, 3g is so bad for always-on :) |
| 00:20.58 | MohammadAG | has 3 batteries ;p |
| 00:21.10 | ShadowJK | has original nokia and 2400mAh mugen :D |
| 00:22.04 | MohammadAG | 1320 x 3 = 3960 <-- me, 3720 ---> you |
| 00:22.06 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:22.37 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:22.47 | MohammadAG | I guess I lost mAhs when swapping batteries and rebooting |
| 00:22.48 | MohammadAG | bleh |
| 00:22.49 | ShadowJK | I still haven't started writing my hotswapbattery.sh script, and I don't know if SpeedEvil has tried it either, so I don't swap them :P |
| 00:22.49 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 00:23.16 | MohammadAG | I need hibernate-like functionality :/ |
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| 00:23.36 | ShadowJK | I'd settle for ability to change battery while on usb power :) |
| 00:23.55 | MohammadAG | wouldn't mind that too |
| 00:25.35 | jacekowski | i doubt that charger chip can take that |
| 00:26.01 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/zImage-fb-omap1.bin timetochange |
| 00:26.09 | MohammadAG | that, in theory, should work |
| 00:26.20 | timetochange | okay, use it the exact same way? |
| 00:26.24 | MohammadAG | (i.e it should work with the existing modules) |
| 00:26.34 | MohammadAG | but it won't automagically fix your device :) |
| 00:26.38 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:26.41 | psycho_oreos | its probably deliberately set like that :) like all the same old nokia phones, never allow you to run off ac power without a battery.. unless you have an ancient/hacked nokia phone |
| 00:26.48 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage-fb-omap1.bin -f -R |
| 00:26.57 | timetochange | instead of -F? |
| 00:27.05 | timetochange | cause it is 1.7megs instead 170some |
| 00:27.06 | salman_ | does maemo have a standard/open source/ documented storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc? |
| 00:27.07 | jacekowski | psycho_oreos: power consumption of phone is higher than charger can take |
| 00:27.09 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, dunno, DocScrutinizer is the EE here and I asked him to look at the pretty graphs in the charger datasheet, and he said something like "can't see why not" to the question if charger could supply system power |
| 00:27.20 | MohammadAG | timetochange, it's only a kernel image |
| 00:27.39 | timetochange | I used -F before |
| 00:27.49 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it's using battery to keep voltage stable |
| 00:28.00 | ShadowJK | We can stabilize power consumption a bit by turning off wifi and cellmo and keeping screen on (steady constant load) |
| 00:28.05 | ShadowJK | Yeah that's also my concern |
| 00:28.08 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, bleh |
| 00:28.13 | ShadowJK | But the situation is much better than with N8x0 |
| 00:28.23 | ShadowJK | There's an actual regulator inside the charging circuitry this time |
| 00:28.24 | MohammadAG | timetochange, -F for fiascos, -k for kernel images |
| 00:28.49 | jacekowski | any change in load and charger can start doing strange things |
| 00:29.15 | jacekowski | and other thing is |
| 00:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | hallyn: actually I did a first quick & dirty test yesterday. Seems device continues at least 1s after removing battery, until BME (?) notices the change and hard shuts down the system |
| 00:29.32 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i think it's charger chip |
| 00:29.32 | timetochange | okay i see text now |
| 00:29.44 | timetochange | but its dark as shit and goes fast |
| 00:29.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i mean - it's designed to deliver constant current |
| 00:30.04 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it can't so starts to raise to voltage untill charge termination voltage |
| 00:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: why should charger chip shut down when cell is removed. It wouldn't even know how to detect |
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| 00:30.17 | ShadowJK | We can program the charger to do this: Charge at 1250mA, reduce charging current to keep voltage below 4.2V. So, as long as the consumption is below 1250mA, the charger chip will be trying to maintain 4.2V as good as it can.. |
| 00:30.25 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, you're thinking nimh |
| 00:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope, it's designed to provide a cureent-limited voltage-limited power |
| 00:30.46 | timetochange | what do I do MohammadAG, I can't see what it says right before it reboots... |
| 00:31.12 | ShadowJK | nimh is charged with constant current until negative or zero deltaV |
| 00:31.33 | jacekowski | well, we can use i2cset to tell charger whatever we want |
| 00:31.38 | ShadowJK | and that'd basically overvolt on battery removal :) |
| 00:31.40 | jacekowski | and stop bme |
| 00:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'll do that in a minute |
| 00:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | stay tuned |
| 00:32.18 | MohammadAG | timetochange, get a camcorder :) |
| 00:32.34 | timetochange | seriously? |
| 00:32.34 | jacekowski | but i don't believe that charger chip can keep voltage stable to keep phone running |
| 00:32.55 | MohammadAG | timetochange, well, there's no way to slow it down so :) |
| 00:32.57 | ShadowJK | Yeah my plan would be to disable termination in charger, set current to max, step up regulation voltage until the flow into the empty battery is as close to 0 as possible, and then try swap |
| 00:33.02 | timetochange | I don't have one.....spent all my cash on n900 |
| 00:33.06 | MohammadAG | timetochange, that's what I would do anyways |
| 00:33.13 | MohammadAG | oh :/ |
| 00:33.42 | ShadowJK | (shutdown wifi, bluetooth, cellmo before the attempt) |
| 00:33.45 | timetochange | it seems to be happening a bit after the text stops |
| 00:33.54 | timetochange | like when the dots are going back and forth |
| 00:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it can deliver 1050mA. Thant's enough in the most cases |
| 00:34.05 | timetochange | yeah, so xorg starts |
| 00:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | and for sure it's stable enough |
| 00:34.12 | timetochange | dots going back and forth...... |
| 00:34.15 | timetochange | *RESTART* |
| 00:34.22 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I thought it could do 1250? |
| 00:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | err, not sure |
| 00:34.55 | timetochange | wait, it doedsn't do it at a consistent time |
| 00:35.05 | timetochange | it is doing it sooner and sooner now |
| 00:35.37 | timetochange | now it got through to xorg again |
| 00:35.47 | timetochange | MohammadAG, any ideas? |
| 00:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: what's your problem? |
| 00:36.33 | timetochange | sometimes it restarts right after it gets to camera which is after a line called USER |
| 00:36.41 | timetochange | DocScrutinizer my phone doesn't work at all out of nowhere |
| 00:36.53 | timetochange | phone app would unexpected quit so i rebooted |
| 00:36.56 | timetochange | and it hasnt booted since |
| 00:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
| 00:36.58 | timetochange | just reboots itself |
| 00:37.06 | timetochange | i really need to make a call too |
| 00:37.09 | timetochange | *some* |
| 00:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: you tried to reflash it? |
| 00:37.34 | timetochange | well, just the kernel part |
| 00:37.38 | timetochange | I'd rather not lose everything |
| 00:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: and please STOP experimenting NOW |
| 00:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | ok, you flashed jernel with empty or weak battery |
| 00:38.10 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm not worried about current as such, but is it able to react fast enough with changes of load |
| 00:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | now you borked system, and it probably won't charge anymore |
| 00:38.36 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and because everything in there is switchmode load will change quite fast |
| 00:38.40 | timetochange | I didn't experiment with anything |
| 00:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'd hope it is |
| 00:39.06 | timetochange | what? |
| 00:39.11 | timetochange | I fucked up my battery? |
| 00:39.24 | MohammadAG | doubts that |
| 00:39.28 | timetochange | same |
| 00:39.30 | timetochange | what are you saying? |
| 00:39.35 | timetochange | I really would love some help |
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| 00:39.46 | timetochange | more* MohammadAG has been helping me a lot already |
| 00:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: you just mentioned you repeatedly tried to boot it, which runs battery even more flat |
| 00:40.06 | jacekowski | well, emergency charge should kick in |
| 00:40.11 | timetochange | yeah, I have no idea how much battery i have and when i plug it in it just continually reboots |
| 00:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: for some reason it doesn't |
| 00:40.32 | jacekowski | so it's not flat enough for emergency charge |
| 00:41.04 | timetochange | so if I reflash the whole thing, what all will i lose? |
| 00:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: seems emergency charge is just enough to make a *working* system boot. But it's not enough for NOLO to finish a good flash |
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| 00:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: basically few |
| 00:41.36 | timetochange | few what? |
| 00:41.43 | timetochange | all the customizations I've done? |
| 00:41.44 | ShadowJK | I think what happens is that emergency charge is enough to boot nolo, and nolo then kills the charge and boots the system, and fail |
| 00:41.49 | MohammadAG | that and apps |
| 00:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | some apps you need to reinstall, some desktop settings |
| 00:42.02 | jacekowski | hmm, it looks like there is a quite huge cap on vbus |
| 00:42.03 | ShadowJK | don't flash emmc |
| 00:42.23 | timetochange | well I really need to use the phone |
| 00:42.25 | jacekowski | and if schematics is accurate in that matter |
| 00:42.27 | timetochange | maybe R&D mode? |
| 00:42.30 | MohammadAG | needs to dump his rootfs |
| 00:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure |
| 00:42.40 | timetochange | can i see exactly where it reboots with that? |
| 00:42.48 | jacekowski | it might be enough to run wireless of it |
| 00:43.02 | MohammadAG | timetochange, you could try to disable the watchdog, if an apps is killing X or something |
| 00:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we'll learn in a short while |
| 00:43.20 | timetochange | that would make it repeatedly reboot? |
| 00:43.27 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, you want to run wifi without battery? |
| 00:43.48 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: well, that cap is big enough to to possibly power 3g |
| 00:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | the problem is you are running emergency mode here in channel, so I can't finish my test :-P |
| 00:44.02 | MohammadAG | timetochange, flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 00:44.29 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, well I wouldn't risk it |
| 00:44.37 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, my goal would just be to change the battery quickly |
| 00:44.41 | jacekowski | i'm saying possibly because i'm not sure how much voltage drop can phone take |
| 00:44.49 | ShadowJK | 2.8 |
| 00:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: how far does boot proceed, how long does it take til reboot? |
| 00:45.08 | jacekowski | but if it will get charged to 4.1 |
| 00:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please don't hurry |
| 00:45.14 | timetochange | well it is confusing because sometimes it only gets to right after "USER" I see a few seconds of camera or something |
| 00:45.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i gave him a framebuffer enabled kernel, it should show where it reboots |
| 00:45.25 | timetochange | but it usually gets past xorg |
| 00:45.30 | timetochange | where the dots go back and forth |
| 00:45.43 | timetochange | yep, props to MohammadAG |
| 00:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | ok, dudes, I see you'll feature it out |
| 00:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | ttyl |
| 00:46.00 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: going back to bme thing |
| 00:46.12 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i was thinking about reimplementing charging in kernel itself |
| 00:46.31 | timetochange | k just issued your command |
| 00:46.35 | timetochange | says it is in R&D mode |
| 00:46.45 | MohammadAG | try to boot it up |
| 00:46.47 | Macer | r&d mode? :) |
| 00:47.02 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, so many things you need to touch :/ |
| 00:47.03 | Macer | trying to steal trade secrets? |
| 00:47.03 | jacekowski | Macer: research&development |
| 00:47.03 | timetochange | oh, unplug it? |
| 00:47.12 | Macer | huh? |
| 00:47.13 | MohammadAG | or flasher-3.5 -R |
| 00:47.20 | Macer | i know jacekowski |
| 00:47.28 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: yeah, but it should be able to charge in acting dead state |
| 00:47.30 | Macer | just never knew it had one :) |
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| 00:47.45 | MohammadAG | Macer, http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode |
| 00:47.59 | timetochange | the fookin key lights are blinking all weird |
| 00:48.01 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: or in cases like this one where you end up in endless loop |
| 00:48.07 | MohammadAG | timetochange, that's part of R&D mode |
| 00:48.11 | timetochange | oh |
| 00:48.13 | MohammadAG | N900: The keyboard backlight behind the left and right side of the keyboard flickers in response to system activity. |
| 00:48.19 | jacekowski | ideally if kernel would provide just emergency charging |
| 00:48.20 | timetochange | i dont see anything |
| 00:48.30 | timetochange | it got to the blinking dots for a sec |
| 00:48.33 | timetochange | and i think it shut off |
| 00:48.33 | jacekowski | so kernel starts charging @100mA |
| 00:48.45 | MohammadAG | timetochange, check the lights, if they're off it's off |
| 00:48.48 | jacekowski | and then BME takes over |
| 00:49.11 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:49.14 | jacekowski | and in case of BME failure OS shouldn't reboot |
| 00:49.14 | MohammadAG | well after USER |
| 00:49.16 | timetochange | OMFG |
| 00:49.17 | MohammadAG | all I see is dsme |
| 00:49.19 | timetochange | second try it booted to desktop |
| 00:49.23 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:49.28 | timetochange | okay, now need to figure out what it was before turning off again |
| 00:49.37 | timetochange | wow about 50 reboots only drained the battery a bit |
| 00:49.45 | MohammadAG | btw, the first reboot is only because of fbcon |
| 00:49.50 | MohammadAG | it's quite unstable for some reason |
| 00:49.53 | timetochange | I owe you big time MohammadAG |
| 00:50.31 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, without anything touching the charger, it charges at 100mA |
| 00:50.35 | MohammadAG | timetochange, heh, np :P |
| 00:50.42 | timetochange | what do you recommend now |
| 00:50.45 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: and nolo kills it |
| 00:50.50 | timetochange | so next time i reboot i dont have this again |
| 00:51.02 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: so if you have that reboot problem you can't charge |
| 00:51.10 | ShadowJK | mm :/ |
| 00:51.10 | MohammadAG | next time you reboot it will boot up, just find out why dsme is trying to reboot it |
| 00:51.12 | timetochange | you disabled the watchdog? |
| 00:51.17 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 00:51.24 | jacekowski | tbh on device like that |
| 00:51.26 | timetochange | maybe ill run health check |
| 00:51.30 | Macer | no-charging - Disables charging via USB. BME will still running in background. |
| 00:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: aha. Any detailed analysis why that is ? |
| 00:51.40 | timetochange | haha the keyboard blinking is actually pretty l33g |
| 00:51.40 | Macer | english fail |
| 00:51.40 | timetochange | t |
| 00:51.41 | MohammadAG | not really recommended, but it's the software watchdog |
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| 00:51.57 | MohammadAG | Macer, lol someone edited that, I had it written correctly iirc |
| 00:52.05 | timetochange | oh, still get "internal error, phone application closed" |
| 00:52.07 | Macer | :) |
| 00:52.09 | timetochange | cant use phone yet |
| 00:52.11 | ShadowJK | software watchdog - it reboots device if "critical" programs fail? |
| 00:52.17 | MohammadAG | Macer, i guess it's missing a be :p |
| 00:52.23 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yes |
| 00:52.26 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: that's wrong |
| 00:52.32 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop is "critical" |
| 00:52.34 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it should be done differently |
| 00:52.35 | Macer | and possibly an "in the" |
| 00:52.54 | MohammadAG | Macer, feel free to edit it |
| 00:53.01 | MohammadAG | I just cba right now :P |
| 00:53.01 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, what is wrong? |
| 00:53.06 | jacekowski | kernel should be able to provide emergency set of features on device like that |
| 00:53.07 | Macer | haha |
| 00:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah exactly |
| 00:53.12 | jacekowski | so you can still make a phone call |
| 00:53.12 | Macer | i can edit it? |
| 00:53.15 | MohammadAG | oh and by USB it should say microUSB |
| 00:53.15 | jacekowski | if everything else fails |
| 00:53.20 | MohammadAG | Macer, doh :p |
| 00:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | can't follow your chaos |
| 00:53.21 | ptl | dizzy |
| 00:53.32 | Macer | i dont think i actually have a maemo.org acct :) |
| 00:53.36 | jacekowski | it's bad design in terms of stuff that would have to go into kernel |
| 00:53.40 | MohammadAG | Macer, make one |
| 00:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: then go ahead write a kernel with X |
| 00:53.54 | ShadowJK | Oh actually |
| 00:53.54 | MohammadAG | Macer, ugh, lazy, I'll edit it myself |
| 00:53.57 | Macer | MohammadAG: maybe when i get home. i have a killer headache now |
| 00:54.00 | ShadowJK | Now I remember |
| 00:54.04 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, there is KMS already |
| 00:54.06 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.0? LOL |
| 00:54.08 | psycho_oreos | can you enable r&d mode without reflashing the fiasco? or is it a necessity to flash with it? |
| 00:54.25 | ShadowJK | the default regulation voltage is 3.7V, but the flashing process wants nearly full battery... so it might not be nolo fucking it up, but the default charge params fucking it up |
| 00:54.33 | ShadowJK | no you don't need to flash with it |
| 00:55.04 | psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, was that directed to me? ta |
| 00:55.06 | Macer | hahaha |
| 00:55.06 | Macer | sorry |
| 00:55.07 | MohammadAG | does anyone recall what both lights on the side refer to? |
| 00:55.10 | MohammadAG | Macer, edited |
| 00:55.23 | MohammadAG | one's for kernel messages, can't recall what the other one is |
| 00:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | back to TV, it's too demanding to follow this discussion(s) |
| 00:55.28 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: on keyboard? |
| 00:55.34 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes |
| 00:55.39 | ShadowJK | (charger can unattended, unprogrammed, bring voltage up to 3.7, but nolo refuses to flash below some unknown voltage higher than 3.7) |
| 00:56.01 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i had that after i put it in R&D mode |
| 00:56.14 | jacekowski | just r&d without any flags |
| 00:56.16 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes, I know, I'm just wondering what each of the lights refer to |
| 00:56.26 | MohammadAG | again, one is for kernel messages |
| 00:56.29 | ShadowJK | the initfs in N8x0 was more robust :) |
| 00:56.31 | MohammadAG | can't remember what the other is for |
| 00:56.42 | ShadowJK | But people whined and it got removed :( |
| 00:56.58 | MohammadAG | "No initfs \o/" <- meh |
| 00:57.17 | MohammadAG | (says that in nolo btw) |
| 00:57.23 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:57.25 | jacekowski | reboot shouldn't be only method to recover after failure |
| 00:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: jacekowski isn't in the mood to listen/read today. As it seems you aren't |
| 00:57.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err? |
| 00:57.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: ??? |
| 00:57.56 | ShadowJK | wtf? |
| 00:58.11 | jacekowski | i'm listening to one of many touhou versions |
| 00:58.28 | timetochange | http://pastebin.com/sAgzSJQf okay, did a dmesg |
| 00:59.07 | timetochange | seems like phone is the only app that wont start - crashes right away |
| 00:59.24 | timetochange | is there a way to try to start phone from the command line to see why it wont start? |
| 00:59.28 | jacekowski | yes |
| 00:59.34 | jacekowski | start commandline |
| 00:59.38 | timetochange | root? |
| 00:59.38 | jacekowski | and start phone app |
| 00:59.40 | jacekowski | no |
| 00:59.48 | timetochange | "start phone app" |
| 00:59.49 | timetochange | really? |
| 00:59.57 | timetochange | not very linuxy |
| 01:00.09 | jacekowski | i said what you have to do |
| 01:00.12 | jacekowski | not how to do it |
| 01:00.15 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:00.18 | timetochange | oh |
| 01:00.21 | timetochange | that's what i was asking |
| 01:00.25 | jacekowski | start phone app isn't going to work |
| 01:00.26 | timetochange | how do you start from cmdline |
| 01:00.27 | ShadowJK | I'd investigate dsme's dir in /var |
| 01:00.27 | timetochange | lol |
| 01:00.34 | ShadowJK | I don't remember where it is :s |
| 01:00.48 | ShadowJK | Oh, /var/lib/dsme/ |
| 01:00.50 | ShadowJK | cat the files in there |
| 01:00.57 | MohammadAG | <jacekowski> start phone app isn't going to work |
| 01:00.59 | MohammadAG | what he said |
| 01:01.06 | MohammadAG | rtcom-call-ui is the binary afaik |
| 01:01.19 | ShadowJK | /var/lib/dsme/stats/ |
| 01:01.29 | jacekowski | my idea for error handling would be that it tries to restart failed "service" |
| 01:01.41 | jacekowski | then it fails back to emergency mode |
| 01:01.44 | MohammadAG | if it fails, it should stfu |
| 01:01.59 | jacekowski | falls back* |
| 01:02.11 | jacekowski | and notifies user |
| 01:02.16 | jacekowski | not just reboots in middle of call |
| 01:02.22 | ShadowJK | I was positively surprised that the device doesn't reset when you reach such low battery level (after having killed bme) that cellmo no longer works :) |
| 01:02.23 | jacekowski | or in middle of boot |
| 01:02.32 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 01:02.50 | timetochange | for stats |
| 01:02.50 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yeah, cellmo shuts down first, then the rest of the device follows |
| 01:02.57 | timetochange | "read error: is a directory" |
| 01:02.59 | MohammadAG | when the cellmo shuts down I just halt the device quickly |
| 01:03.11 | timetochange | er wait |
| 01:03.12 | timetochange | newb moment |
| 01:03.17 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:03.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | timetochange: remove SIM |
| 01:03.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | then reboot |
| 01:03.45 | timetochange | I've lifeguard resets and lifeguardreboots .bak for both |
| 01:03.45 | jacekowski | that's why ideally kernel should keep all phone functionality separate from everything else |
| 01:03.55 | timetochange | DocScrutinizer did you miss it i got it booted! |
| 01:03.57 | ShadowJK | timetochange, lifeguardreboots |
| 01:04.05 | jacekowski | and if phone functionality fails then it can reboot |
| 01:04.18 | jacekowski | everything else is not critical and it should try to recover |
| 01:05.05 | ShadowJK | dude |
| 01:05.09 | ShadowJK | IRC is critical |
| 01:05.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | timetochange: have you noticed I usually think about what suggest |
| 01:05.20 | ShadowJK | phone is less critical :) |
| 01:05.26 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 01:05.46 | jacekowski | irc is safe on screen on my server |
| 01:05.48 | timetochange | okay it lists browser as 1, lidon-desktop as 1, hildon home as 8, a few othe rminor ones, and camera-ui as 44, systemui at 243, and mafw-lastfm 360 (uninstalled that a long time ago) |
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| 01:06.02 | t0rrentday | 10x Faster than p2p, secure, anon, movies tv music apps all free, http://www.t0rrentday.com now open for registration. |
| 01:06.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, spambot ^ |
| 01:06.18 | timetochange | hah |
| 01:06.21 | timetochange | how could you tell |
| 01:06.26 | ShadowJK | timetochange, is that lifeguardreboots or lifeaguardresets |
| 01:06.26 | jacekowski | i don't think so |
| 01:06.31 | MohammadAG | I'm just pinging him |
| 01:06.34 | timetochange | restarts* |
| 01:06.34 | jacekowski | he's just an idiot |
| 01:06.47 | ShadowJK | timeless, the reboots is more interesting |
| 01:06.59 | ShadowJK | lifeguard_reboots |
| 01:07.04 | timetochange | resets shows systemui: 23 |
| 01:07.06 | MohammadAG | wrong tab? |
| 01:07.23 | timetochange | there is just restarts and resets |
| 01:07.33 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 01:07.50 | ShadowJK | Right, so it's systemui that crashes |
| 01:08.00 | timetochange | hmm, and phone must depend on that?... |
| 01:08.24 | ShadowJK | I'm not sure hwat systemui does, it's maybe the thing that appears when you press powerbutton |
| 01:08.27 | MohammadAG | it shouldn't reboot the whole damn device |
| 01:08.27 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: besides, irc depends on phone |
| 01:08.33 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yes |
| 01:08.43 | jacekowski | i really like qubes design |
| 01:08.44 | MohammadAG | that's not critical! |
| 01:08.50 | jacekowski | http://qubes-os.org/ |
| 01:08.56 | jacekowski | something like that but in smaller scale |
| 01:08.57 | MohammadAG | killall systemui doesn't reboot the menu afaik |
| 01:09.12 | MohammadAG | s/menu/device/ |
| 01:09.12 | jacekowski | so every part is separate in terms of security as well |
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| 01:09.51 | ShadowJK | Maybe it does actually need several restarts before it becomes a reboot :) |
| 01:09.57 | timetochange | rtcom-call-ui just returns and does nothing btw |
| 01:10.22 | jacekowski | nah |
| 01:10.26 | jacekowski | killall -9 systemui |
| 01:10.34 | jacekowski | and it restarted |
| 01:10.56 | ShadowJK | try: while true; do killall -11 systemui ; sleep 1 ; done |
| 01:11.01 | jacekowski | and it looks like it was dsme job |
| 01:11.05 | ShadowJK | (that wasn to jacekowski) |
| 01:11.09 | ShadowJK | -n |
| 01:11.11 | timetochange | I'm running healthcheck a while |
| 01:11.34 | ShadowJK | no offence to its author, but healthcheck is mostly a toy in this circumstance :D |
| 01:11.44 | timetochange | I can see that |
| 01:11.46 | jacekowski | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped |
| 01:11.48 | jacekowski | oh ffs |
| 01:13.43 | timetochange | so was that the real name of the phone app MohammadAG? |
| 01:14.41 | Macer | lego harry potter |
| 01:14.58 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:15.08 | MohammadAG | timetochange, yes, rtcom-call-ui is the phone app's name |
| 01:15.15 | MohammadAG | systemui is the menu that pops down |
| 01:15.28 | MohammadAG | assuming it shouldn't reboot, I'd purge and reinstall systemui |
| 01:15.36 | timetochange | okay, well if i try that in the terminal |
| 01:15.38 | timetochange | it just returns |
| 01:15.42 | timetochange | doesnt try to boot phone app |
| 01:15.54 | MohammadAG | yeah I noticed that here too |
| 01:15.59 | timetochange | how do I reinstall system UI? |
| 01:16.00 | MohammadAG | same with rtcom-messaging-ui |
| 01:16.08 | MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install systemui |
| 01:16.09 | Macer | timetochange: why dont you just reflash and start from scratch? |
| 01:16.15 | Macer | seems easier |
| 01:16.16 | timetochange | should i back anything up first? |
| 01:16.29 | MohammadAG | for systemui? no, it's just one menu |
| 01:16.43 | ShadowJK | For reflash: yes |
| 01:16.52 | timetochange | well I trust that MohammadAG has correctly determined the problem to be with systemui, Macer |
| 01:17.09 | Macer | timetochange: well. just saying |
| 01:17.19 | Macer | there may be other underlying issues |
| 01:17.30 | ShadowJK | Things that modify systemui? :) |
| 01:17.37 | Macer | just throwing that out there :) |
| 01:17.49 | ShadowJK | But yeah, reflash is easiest |
| 01:17.52 | timetochange | well it must have been modified by something else in the first place.. |
| 01:18.02 | ShadowJK | unless you want to save data, in which case you'd backup and then flash :D |
| 01:18.15 | timetochange | couldnt find package systemui? |
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| 01:18.19 | Macer | i mean. all this time you have been fiddling around.. you'd have been done reflashing and reinstalling a long time ago |
| 01:18.37 | MohammadAG | timetochange, ShadowJK did, not me :) |
| 01:18.40 | timetochange | no way, I've a lot of shit on here .....i should probably back up right now |
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| 01:18.45 | Macer | :) but it is good to learn |
| 01:19.05 | timetochange | I just want to make a phone clal man |
| 01:19.07 | timetochange | hah |
| 01:19.15 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:19.16 | MohammadAG | sec |
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| 01:19.34 | Macer | then go to settings and use the backup app |
| 01:20.00 | Macer | reflash |
| 01:20.00 | Macer | restore |
| 01:20.04 | MohammadAG | k |
| 01:20.07 | MohammadAG | osso-systemui |
| 01:20.13 | MohammadAG | is the package name for /usr/bin/systemui |
| 01:20.25 | MohammadAG | so apt-get --reinstall install osso-sytemui |
| 01:20.29 | Macer | marks time |
| 01:20.30 | MohammadAG | err |
| 01:20.32 | MohammadAG | systemui |
| 01:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | err SIM |
| 01:21.31 | timetochange | well it worked |
| 01:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | foreca |
| 01:21.36 | timetochange | but phone stil instantly crashes |
| 01:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head, sighs, and wanders off |
| 01:22.56 | Macer | i need to get home and set up this debian installer thumb drive and get my dam artigo up and running with its new hd |
| 01:23.27 | Macer | i miss my little beast of a dedicated shell/dns |
| 01:24.04 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, dude he wants to make a phonecall, removing the sim isn't going to help that |
| 01:24.14 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 01:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: dude, don't you think I could know what I'm talking about |
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| 01:25.03 | timetochange | oh, you're still recommending sim removal? |
| 01:25.09 | Macer | there is always option b and c... ask a neighbor to use their phone or find a pay phone |
| 01:25.10 | timetochange | I tried that several times when it didnt boot |
| 01:25.14 | ShadowJK | Well since removing SIM is a very unintuitive method of making a phone call, you should probably elaborate as to why this would help :) |
| 01:25.33 | Macer | ShadowJK: LOL |
| 01:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I diagnosed a case of instant phoneui crash to a root cause of a garbled contact in SIM storage |
| 01:26.10 | timetochange | well maybe if i could start the phone from command line i could see what the problem is |
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| 01:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | and now just go on with bashing my recommendations, while I get my popcorn |
| 01:26.52 | Macer | timetochange: im telling you. just use the backup app and back up your stuff and reflash it and restore it.. takes 10 mins .. longer than ive been back watching you try to find out how to fix what sounds like a ruined phone |
| 01:26.56 | timetochange | MohammadAG, do you think after reinstalling systemui i should reboot for changes to take effect? |
| 01:27.18 | timetochange | okay Macer, now that I've it booted and I've backed up |
| 01:27.25 | timetochange | I won't lose anything, right? |
| 01:27.26 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, so the conclusion would be that he can't make a call with that Sim in N900? |
| 01:27.44 | Macer | that is like asking a surgeon if you are going to die |
| 01:27.47 | timetochange | i can actually open the contacts program and edit contacts |
| 01:27.53 | Macer | fear is the mind killer |
| 01:27.59 | Macer | pee into the wind |
| 01:28.09 | timetochange | I'm not longer fearful now that I've backed up |
| 01:28.20 | timetochange | but I'm curious what that backup doesn't cover |
| 01:28.33 | MohammadAG | timetochange, you should reboot to see if it worked |
| 01:28.44 | MohammadAG | also, disable R&D mode to see that it _ACTUALLY_ worked |
| 01:28.46 | MohammadAG | anyways |
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| 01:28.54 | MohammadAG | that would fix boot up issues, but not phone startup ones |
| 01:29.02 | MohammadAG | I suggest you reflash |
| 01:29.47 | ShadowJK | reflash wouldn't fix sim storage, right |
| 01:29.53 | timetochange | i might as well try to reboot first though eh |
| 01:30.48 | timetochange | (derp of course the menu doesnt come down when i push power button) |
| 01:31.31 | LiraNuna | how do I target an existing Qt project to build for N900? |
| 01:31.45 | jacekowski | besides, that's a good question why there is script for upstart that handles reboot when bme fails |
| 01:31.55 | jacekowski | but dsme itself can take care of that itself |
| 01:32.29 | timetochange | yeah menu doesnt come down and phone still closes |
| 01:32.40 | jacekowski | just flash it |
| 01:32.44 | timetochange | okay |
| 01:32.50 | timetochange | what doesn't the backup cover? |
| 01:33.06 | timetochange | i mean, obvious stuff |
| 01:33.27 | jacekowski | i think it's only covering contacts, calender and stuff |
| 01:33.41 | jacekowski | calendar |
| 01:33.44 | timetochange | yeah, it is that 'stuff' part that I'm unclear about |
| 01:33.47 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, i think it's in the bme upstart script itself |
| 01:33.53 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: i know |
| 01:33.56 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: but why |
| 01:34.25 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: if there is dsme that has capabilities to do it |
| 01:34.31 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: and it's doing it for other processes |
| 01:34.37 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 01:34.42 | ShadowJK | on N8x0 dsme did it |
| 01:35.06 | ShadowJK | but I'm guessing someone moved it to upstart at some point :) |
| 01:35.15 | jacekowski | on n900 there is upstart script that tells dsme to reboot device |
| 01:36.16 | ShadowJK | I vaguely recall reading the N900 bme upstart script |
| 01:36.30 | ShadowJK | But what is responsible for doing stuff when bme dies? upstart? |
| 01:36.43 | jacekowski | upstart detecs that bme died |
| 01:36.48 | ShadowJK | right |
| 01:36.50 | jacekowski | and tells dsme to reboot |
| 01:37.01 | ShadowJK | Ok, now I follow :) |
| 01:37.27 | jacekowski | bme doesn't register watchdog with dsme |
| 01:37.38 | jacekowski | and as you said previous version was doing that |
| 01:37.42 | ShadowJK | So someone wanted to run bme without dsme, or someone familiar with upstart started attempt to deprecate dsme and got no further than bme.. |
| 01:38.06 | jacekowski | well, bme is constantly talking to dsme anyways |
| 01:38.09 | LiraNuna | I'm trying to use OpenGLES/2 with Qt4 on N900 |
| 01:38.15 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 01:38.27 | LiraNuna | and qmake will not correctly add the includes |
| 01:39.03 | jacekowski | LiraNuna: maemo-developers |
| 01:39.14 | LiraNuna | oh, there's an actual channel for development? |
| 01:39.18 | jacekowski | yes |
| 01:39.20 | ptl | You guys are really taken by this whole reverse-engineering of bme |
| 01:39.31 | jacekowski | #maemo-dev or #maemo-developers |
| 01:39.32 | LiraNuna | jacekowski, it's empty. |
| 01:39.35 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 01:39.44 | LiraNuna | ... |
| 01:39.46 | LiraNuna | both are empty |
| 01:39.51 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:39.54 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 01:40.04 | jacekowski | LiraNuna: there is one |
| 01:40.09 | jacekowski | LiraNuna: but i don't remember the name |
| 01:40.16 | LiraNuna | okay, where |
| 01:40.20 | jacekowski | here |
| 01:40.22 | jacekowski | on this network |
| 01:40.33 | ShadowJK | -devel perhaps |
| 01:40.34 | ptl | #maemo-devel |
| 01:40.35 | ptl | it's not empty |
| 01:40.39 | ptl | I'm there |
| 01:40.49 | ptl | crowded, no elbow room |
| 01:40.54 | LiraNuna | ah, devel |
| 01:40.56 | LiraNuna | thanks |
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| 01:54.13 | timetochange | --exclude-from=[path] isnt working in rsync |
| 01:55.48 | pigeon | --exclude-from reads exclude pattern from a given "file", not really a "path"... is that the problem? |
| 01:56.07 | timetochange | oh i think |
| 01:56.10 | timetochange | wonder how to do path |
| 01:56.14 | pigeon | like, do you just want --exclude= ? |
| 01:56.22 | timetochange | a folder |
| 01:56.25 | timetochange | MyDocs |
| 01:56.34 | pigeon | --exclude=MyDocs/ then? |
| 01:56.49 | timetochange | didnt work |
| 01:56.52 | timetochange | unless i need the \ |
| 01:57.30 | timetochange | already started the rsync, ill just wait for it and then cancel and hope MyDocs was the last thing to copy |
| 01:57.30 | timetochange | heh |
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| 02:07.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin freenode >:-( |
| 02:07.25 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:07.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 02:07.28 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 02:07.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway |
| 02:08.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: my N900 is running since 40min without battery now |
| 02:08.35 | ShadowJK | cool |
| 02:08.41 | ShadowJK | /CE bit enabled? |
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| 02:10.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | I 'll elaborate on it later. Just so much: level down screen brightness, of course disable GSM. 'stop BME' remove battery *fast* (60s) |
| 02:11.07 | pigeon | is it ok to swap the n900 batteries while it's being charged on usb? |
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| 02:14.06 | timetochange | you guys are hardware |
| 02:14.09 | timetochange | hardcore* |
| 02:14.10 | timetochange | lol |
| 02:19.29 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: why fast if it's running for 40 minutes? |
| 02:20.19 | ohwhyme | is there a maemo flasher for amd64? |
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| 02:26.19 | jacekowski | is there any official dsme documentation |
| 02:26.26 | jacekowski | because i found something on the interwebs |
| 02:26.34 | jacekowski | i mean header files |
| 02:26.40 | jacekowski | but these seems to be incomplete |
| 02:27.07 | jacekowski | because i just found message 0x311 that's sent from bme to dsme |
| 02:27.13 | timetochange | seriously why doesn't exclude-from= work in rsync? |
| 02:27.28 | jacekowski | but there is no reference to it in my files |
| 02:27.35 | jacekowski | timetochange: it does work if you know how to do it |
| 02:30.01 | jacekowski | oOoOooo |
| 02:30.11 | jacekowski | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsm-commits/2009-January/thread.html |
| 02:31.07 | jacekowski | i just found full dsme source code |
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| 02:36.01 | ShadowJK | pigeon, not normally |
| 02:41.11 | jacekowski | WOW |
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| 02:42.36 | jacekowski | does anybody here have n8x0? |
| 02:42.40 | jacekowski | and it's still here |
| 02:43.25 | ShadowJK | and it is still there? |
| 02:44.23 | jacekowski | dsmetool --version |
| 02:44.36 | jacekowski | 0.60.1? |
| 02:44.43 | ShadowJK | What is still there, where? |
| 02:45.04 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 02:45.16 | jacekowski | s/it\'s/is/ |
| 02:45.25 | jacekowski | i just need to know version of dsmetool in n8x0 |
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| 02:46.13 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: are you here? |
| 02:46.14 | ShadowJK | 0.57.13 |
| 02:46.21 | ShadowJK | Why didn't you say that in the first place |
| 02:46.24 | jacekowski | OMG |
| 02:46.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | temporarily |
| 02:46.35 | jacekowski | i found full source code for dsme 0.60.1 |
| 02:46.44 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.21 | jacekowski | from nokia |
| 02:47.29 | jacekowski | with everything marked as gpl/lgpl |
| 02:47.41 | jacekowski | so technicaly we can use it |
| 02:47.56 | ShadowJK | um, yeah |
| 02:48.07 | ShadowJK | dmse was opensourced years ago, and all the interesting things moved into mce? |
| 02:48.35 | jacekowski | it was? |
| 02:48.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: yes? dsme, hmm fine. Nothing new |
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| 02:49.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway I donno how long I'll be here. My internets gone apeshit. So wazzup? |
| 02:49.56 | jacekowski | only thing that google is coming up with is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsm-commits/2009-January/000001.html |
| 02:51.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: you're running your device without battery now? |
| 02:51.34 | ShadowJK | No. |
| 02:52.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | hahah it switched off after (presumably) 32minute |
| 02:52.46 | jacekowski | 04:08 < DocScrutinizer51> ShadowJK: my N900 is running since 40min without battery now |
| 02:53.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems I should spend a oneliner to cure those minor annoyances ;-P |
| 02:53.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, that's been a guess |
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| 02:54.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway I'd say it is quite sufficient to swap cells nevertheless |
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| 02:55.34 | ShadowJK | ye |
| 02:56.06 | ShadowJK | wonders why it doesn't work under regular bme |
| 02:56.20 | jacekowski | fuel gauge |
| 02:56.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: btw of course bat must be charging when you stop bme :-D |
| 02:56.38 | ShadowJK | eh, why? |
| 02:56.44 | jacekowski | that probably detects that there is something wrong with battery |
| 02:56.50 | jacekowski | and bme kills phone |
| 02:57.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: bme detects bat removal (BSI) |
| 02:57.27 | ShadowJK | I was "why" at "bat must be charging" |
| 02:58.02 | ShadowJK | But in asking that question I assumed that after stopping bme you would configure bq24150 to maximum current and disable termination |
| 02:58.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: I did none of these |
| 02:58.58 | timetochange | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.58 | timetochange | is how you turn it back on right? |
| 02:59.04 | timetochange | for flasher |
| 02:59.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | just reduced system requirements to <100 |
| 02:59.23 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 02:59.30 | ShadowJK | think it could do 200? |
| 02:59.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe 200 |
| 02:59.58 | ShadowJK | (enough to display a friendly dialog) |
| 03:00.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I thought emergency charge are 100 |
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| 03:01.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | I know it's emergency as solid BRIGHT yellow |
| 03:01.34 | ShadowJK | Well, if you kill bme, bq24150 will continue at bme programmed rate of, most likely, 950, for 32sec. After that it will revert to defaults, and since bme has tickled usb, the otg line will be active, which will enable 550mA |
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| 03:01.38 | timetochange | how do I turn lifeguard back on? |
| 03:01.48 | timetochange | had this before $ sudo flasher --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 03:02.12 | ShadowJK | 550 because it's the default, lowest, rate |
| 03:02.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: and if bq isn't charging while bat removal, then it's too slow |
| 03:03.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: take some sleep |
| 03:03.42 | ShadowJK | What is too slow? |
| 03:04.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm maybe I really should |
| 03:04.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | starting up from no charge to emergency charge or whatever |
| 03:05.28 | ShadowJK | It basically works as long as your system is ok |
| 03:05.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | you got no more than 32s after stop bme to remove cell |
| 03:05.31 | Termana | timetochange, sudo flasher --clear-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset --disable-rd-mode |
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| 03:05.40 | ShadowJK | Oh, how come? |
| 03:06.10 | ShadowJK | grrr, my N900 battery is too full to test right now :) |
| 03:06.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise hard shutdown |
| 03:06.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehehe |
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| 03:06.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | discharging is just too easy I've been told |
| 03:07.07 | ShadowJK | yeah well, they don't have mugen ;) |
| 03:07.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | I suggest 5min call with speakerphone |
| 03:08.03 | ShadowJK | (new thread of conversation) what's up with DrinkCounter anyway, it's like someone very drunk had coded it |
| 03:08.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't forget to talk or fart or... whatever though. otherwise no TX :-P |
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| 03:08.57 | ShadowJK | My own battery draining recipie consists of GPSJinni, distributed.net and gpodder downloading a few gigabytes of youtub over 3g ;p |
| 03:09.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if tmo would be right place for me to spread the news :-D |
| 03:09.18 | ShadowJK | My record is at about 1100mA drain |
| 03:09.36 | Termana | Rather backwards. No battery draining strategies are now needed. |
| 03:09.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | should suffice :) |
| 03:09.58 | Termana | Now battery* |
| 03:09.58 | ShadowJK | Termana, that's easy, just turn it off |
| 03:10.26 | Termana | Funny how a typo can change a sentence to mean something else :\ :P |
| 03:10.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: don't forget to STOP the hogs before you attach charger and stop bme |
| 03:12.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | starts pondering about micro USB dongle with a small NiMH cell stack, to deliver 500mA for 60s. Rechargable over boost mode |
| 03:12.37 | timetochange | finally flashed, not sure rsync completely backed it up though |
| 03:12.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | think I'll sell the patent |
| 03:12.48 | timetochange | I guess the first boot after a flash takes forever eh |
| 03:13.02 | ShadowJK | a bunch of files are being copied to emmc |
| 03:13.15 | timetochange | gay ass shaking hands thing is back |
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| 03:13.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | tell me if phone works now :-P |
| 03:13.37 | timetochange | sec...... |
| 03:14.07 | pramodxyle | hey, maemo repo is down, isn't it?? |
| 03:14.08 | timetochange | well that's jenky |
| 03:14.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | tell me |
| 03:14.55 | timetochange | works |
| 03:15.01 | timetochange | took a while to boot |
| 03:15.07 | timetochange | fookin a |
| 03:15.10 | timetochange | hope this shit restores |
| 03:15.26 | timetochange | just wish i knew why this all happened |
| 03:15.28 | Termana | That's the only thing I hate about repositories. If they go down, your stuffed in installing apps and stuff (unless its in another repo) |
| 03:15.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | so look at Vtopic |
| 03:16.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | /topic even |
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| 03:30.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~bark |
| 03:30.52 | infobot | ACTION barks, like a rabid dog. |
| 03:31.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn it's all my internet is borked |
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| 03:32.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | random abort of connections after 5..20kb (estimated) |
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| 04:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | OOOOOH my God! |
| 04:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | the idiot linux machine has changed my MTU to 1500 |
| 04:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | ż¼Ä½@@#*++&&$&â¬Â¬5g3½ |
| 04:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | :-(((( |
| 04:28.21 | moo--- | DocScrutinizer: MTU 1500 is so 90s :) |
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| 04:34.53 | luke-jr | moo---: what?? |
| 04:35.02 | luke-jr | 1500 is the max/standard Ethernet |
| 04:35.42 | moo--- | I think the default for Internet connections is 500-600 nowadays |
| 04:35.48 | moo--- | 1500 was default in win95 |
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| 04:41.30 | luke-jr | moo---: 500-600 is for dialup |
| 04:41.38 | luke-jr | DSL tends to be 1480 or so |
| 04:41.45 | luke-jr | Cable is usually the full 1500 |
| 04:42.02 | luke-jr | no idea what GSM and 3G use |
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| 05:05.58 | ech0Asus | sup everyone |
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| 05:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/hen-kernel_mohammad> ping -s 1432 ct.de |
| 05:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | PING ct.de (193.99.144.80) 1432(1460) bytes of data. |
| 05:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | --- ct.de ping statistics --- |
| 05:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9014ms |
| 05:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/hen-kernel_mohammad> ping -s 1433 ct.de |
| 05:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | PING ct.de (193.99.144.80) 1433(1461) bytes of data. |
| 05:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | --- ct.de ping statistics --- |
| 05:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | 15 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13999ms |
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| 05:24.39 | D-Iivil | good morning. |
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| 06:06.24 | solrize | heh, n900 dropped another $50 at newegg... dunno if that's an iphone 4 response, or if it means there's a new nokia coming |
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| 06:16.59 | timetochange | yeah I shouldve waited to buy one |
| 06:17.21 | timetochange | anyway, why would chaining two routers allow me to receive SIP calls but not make them? |
| 06:19.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hold on, you can change your sim while the phone is on? |
| 06:19.43 | kerio | i mean, with a charger |
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| 06:39.36 | arachnist | DocScrutinizer51: looks like you've gotta set MTU on your interfaces |
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| 06:44.57 | solrize | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875998409 is this good for anything that i can't do with my phone (i.e.tether it to a laptop)? |
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| 06:58.52 | solrize | yawwwn |
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| 07:09.21 | ham5 | word |
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| 07:20.04 | kerio | solrize: probably |
| 07:20.50 | kerio | hold on, why can't you tether your phone to a laptop? |
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| 07:22.42 | kerio | solrize: hsdpa 3.6 :/ |
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| 07:23.50 | kerio | the n900 is *way* better than that |
| 07:26.13 | kerio | hmm, MfE with google correctly synced my calendar |
| 07:28.39 | kerio | did anyone actually managed to make it work with the contacts? |
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| 07:45.43 | ham5 | how to... disabling the camera sound.... |
| 07:49.08 | ham5 | nm wiki maemo :) |
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| 08:49.46 | puphome | "Several thousands of patents ride on any particular cellphone" - Heller |
| 08:50.11 | Macer | got the artigo back in action :) |
| 08:50.16 | Macer | damn that was a pain in the ass |
| 08:51.52 | redeeman | have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? |
| 08:52.41 | Macer | redeeman: i honestly never thought about it but you are right the older one was way better for some reason |
| 08:52.59 | MiXu- | why do you even use the vkeyboard :) |
| 08:53.07 | kerio | has never seen the vkeyboard |
| 08:53.09 | Macer | it's good for quick stuff |
| 08:53.13 | redeeman | because its good |
| 08:53.21 | MiXu- | I've used it maybe 5 times |
| 08:53.24 | Macer | heh |
| 08:53.28 | Macer | opera has its own :) |
| 08:53.35 | MiXu- | HW-keyboard ftw |
| 08:54.00 | Macer | MiXu-: sometimes if all you have to say in an im is "ok"then the vkb is a litle more practical |
| 08:54.44 | MiXu- | ok, I get that. But still opening the slide only takes half a second. |
| 08:54.51 | ZogG | i use vkeyboard for non english purposes |
| 08:55.03 | MiXu- | and that's how long it takes for vkeyboard to come up :) |
| 08:55.26 | kerio | i like the slide open anyway |
| 08:55.35 | kerio | it's easier to hold it, that way |
| 08:55.39 | MiXu- | same here |
| 08:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: sure, why shouldn't you be able to change SIM when you got battery removed. Anyway I told you to switch off the GSM, so it's not a big surprise when it works |
| 08:55.57 | Macer | maybe if it had portrait mode the vkb would make a little more sense ;) |
| 08:56.02 | MiXu- | yes |
| 08:56.08 | Macer | you can one hand msgs |
| 08:56.35 | MiXu- | was it so that opera has a portrait mode vkb? |
| 08:57.06 | MiXu- | That's pretty handy |
| 08:57.23 | Macer | yes |
| 08:57.37 | Macer | safari kind of sucks |
| 08:57.44 | kerio | safari? |
| 08:57.46 | kerio | on n900? |
| 08:57.50 | Macer | no haha |
| 08:57.56 | Macer | godhelptheworldifthathappened |
| 08:58.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: so did you replace the bme or what? |
| 08:58.09 | MiXu- | There's some stuff in N900 that they could have dropped in favor of doing something more useful(tm). |
| 08:58.18 | Macer | MiXu-: like portrait mode? :) |
| 08:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: read backscroll |
| 08:58.22 | Macer | heh |
| 08:58.25 | redeeman | vkb is faster to type on.. well.. was |
| 08:58.28 | MiXu- | Like the virtual keyboard in it's current form. |
| 08:58.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: lost backscroll :| |
| 08:58.42 | MiXu- | Macer: The portrait mode is useful in browser. I like that. |
| 08:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 08:59.33 | Macer | MiXu-: i kind of figured portrait mode was good for desktop widgets too |
| 08:59.57 | Macer | otherwise you do this awkward wrist rotation flip thing out the pocket |
| 09:00.13 | MiXu- | yeah |
| 09:00.28 | MiXu- | N900 is not the best device ergonomics wise |
| 09:01.13 | Macer | no portrait media player sucks really bad |
| 09:01.26 | MiXu- | There's some majorly useless stuff in the Settings. Like the notification led settings :D |
| 09:01.29 | Macer | again with the awkward wrist flipping |
| 09:01.45 | Macer | there is an add-on to change the color of the led |
| 09:01.49 | Macer | that comes in handy |
| 09:02.15 | MiXu- | I'm pretty sure 95% of people couldn't care less about how the led works. As long as it works. :) |
| 09:02.23 | Macer | you can change how it blinks and what color depending on what kind of thing it is |
| 09:02.37 | Macer | well...i like the led |
| 09:03.03 | MiXu- | I like it too. But it's enough for me in it's original form. |
| 09:03.46 | MiXu- | Facebook desktop widget is also completely useless. |
| 09:04.01 | kerio | that's external, isn't it? |
| 09:04.21 | MiXu- | Hmm. Could be actually. |
| 09:05.06 | MiXu- | Then there's chess and mahjong... :P |
| 09:05.10 | MiXu- | and RSS |
| 09:05.13 | kerio | someone needs to break in the nokia HQ and steal the full source code btw |
| 09:06.32 | MiXu- | RSS would be useful if it was even remotely user friendly and usable :) |
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| 09:18.42 | konttori | thinks there exists a complere rewrite of rss in nokia svn/git. |
| 09:19.23 | konttori | oh, and harmattan rss reader is really nice. My favorite app of harmattan at the moment |
| 09:19.58 | konttori | muuuuch better usability-wise (and obviously, in all other aspects as well) |
| 09:20.34 | kerio | when is it going to be released? |
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| 09:25.42 | MiXu- | konttori: Yeah, I agree |
| 09:26.05 | konttori | kerio: like I could tell you. ;) |
| 09:26.12 | kerio | :( |
| 09:26.17 | kerio | month? |
| 09:26.19 | kerio | six months? |
| 09:26.21 | kerio | year? |
| 09:26.27 | kerio | six years? |
| 09:26.31 | konttori | within next 3 years |
| 09:27.36 | Termana | Did you hear that Nokia, konttori just broke his NDA. He told us its going to be released in the next 3 years! |
| 09:27.42 | Termana | :P |
| 09:27.47 | Appiah | :D |
| 09:28.16 | konttori | lol. now that i broke it, i can probably tell the rest of the details and publish a video ;) |
| 09:28.28 | MiXu- | haha |
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| 09:30.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hey, that's cool |
| 09:31.00 | kerio | disabling the bme and waiting for the light to come up lets you remove the battery |
| 09:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: tel me news |
| 09:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: no use in pretending you found something new. The irc logs of last night are everywhere |
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| 09:33.43 | kerio | i was... confirming what you said? |
| 09:33.52 | kerio | :/ |
| 09:34.18 | pupnik | eh what is this? remove battery while device is on? |
| 09:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | oh, I got that wrong |
| 09:34.29 | kerio | yup |
| 09:34.51 | kerio | i don't think changing the sim works though |
| 09:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: hotswap of battery is possible |
| 09:34.58 | pupnik | that's cool! |
| 09:35.34 | pupnik | make a little idiot-gui for that and make a 'bam!' post to planet |
| 09:35.42 | pupnik | 'try that, iphone' etc |
| 09:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: though I have to start claiming it whenever somebody mentions the topic: THIS MIGHT BE LETHAL TO YOUR HARDWARE |
| 09:36.01 | pupnik | oh |
| 09:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see why it should, but I can not guarantee there's no hidden quirk |
| 09:36.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: does it work with the usb cable too? |
| 09:36.48 | kerio | i only tried the wall charger so far |
| 09:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | I think it will work only with wallcharger |
| 09:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | or with the special dongle you can order here @ joerg's geekshop |
| 09:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 09:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | micro-usb dongle with very small rechargable batteries, sufficient to power phone for 60s |
| 09:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | charge with boostmode, then swap main battery |
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| 09:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | comes with applet to control the whole process |
| 09:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | still no warranty :-P |
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| 09:53.43 | Termana | When I read people saying the n900 doesn't have enough apps on tmo, I have to start to wonder - is all the desktop linux apps plus apps ran through usermode qemu and WINE, and then all the ones in the repo, not enough apps? |
| 09:54.41 | Termana | Or are they saying there isn't enough useless apps available? |
| 09:54.43 | jacekowski | well, wine on n900 with qemu is slow |
| 09:54.57 | jacekowski | so that's useless |
| 09:55.07 | jacekowski | desktop apps are desktop apps |
| 09:55.12 | jacekowski | and are quite hard to use as well |
| 09:55.30 | Surfa | wouldn't consider any emulator solution suitable for typical user |
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| 09:55.57 | Termana | Meh. I just don't think its straight cut, "there isn't enough apps" |
| 09:55.58 | Surfa | or anything, which is not somewhere near to stable |
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| 09:57.29 | Surfa | i wouldn't even say that all apps (or themes ow whatnot) in the extras (not even testing or devel) are stable enough for anything |
| 09:57.57 | Surfa | so i kind of agree that "not enough apps" comment |
| 09:59.01 | Termana | People wouldn't say their desktop "doesn't have enough apps" - and when you have most desktop apps with a Debian chroot, I just don't think your LOSING functionality. Sure some of its harder to use, being more suited to the desktop. But its still there if its needed. |
| 09:59.57 | Surfa | people do use emulators and chroots on desktop with some effort, but on a handheld? you gotta be kidding me right? |
| 10:01.32 | mavhc | why would you need to run desktop linux apps via an emulator? |
| 10:01.41 | Termana | Surfa, what's wrong with using a chroot on a handheld? |
| 10:01.42 | pupnik | yes they do use them on handhelds Surfa |
| 10:02.04 | Termana | mavhc, you wouldn't. Chroot is sufficient. |
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| 10:02.31 | Surfa | pupnik, marginal groups are |
| 10:02.59 | mavhc | ram is more of a problem than cpu in a lot of cases |
| 10:03.40 | pupnik | n900 owners are a 'marginal group' |
| 10:03.43 | Termana | Surfa, if you mean its a problem for the masses, what's wrong with Easy Debian? No work involved |
| 10:03.44 | pupnik | next question |
| 10:04.08 | Surfa | pupnik, not really |
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| 10:04.52 | Surfa | pupnik, majority of n900 owners I know don't bother |
| 10:05.02 | D-Iivil | Hola o/ |
| 10:05.17 | Termana | D-Iivil, hello |
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| 10:06.01 | tgalal | Is there a way to use the email application in a network with proxy that requires authentication? |
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| 10:07.52 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:08.13 | jacekowski | how do you plan to pass imap/pop/smtp traffic trough http proxy? |
| 10:09.13 | tgalal | jacekowski: Why is this a problem ? |
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| 10:09.51 | jacekowski | square peg in round hole problem |
| 10:09.55 | jacekowski | does that ring a bell? |
| 10:10.31 | tgalal | not getting that, really |
| 10:12.16 | tgalal | ok got it |
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| 10:45.02 | smhar | greetings |
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| 10:47.26 | MohammadAG | LOL crashanddie (topic) |
| 10:47.30 | MohammadAG | ty xD |
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| 10:49.20 | smhar | since the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them. can someone please correct me or confirm this please? |
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| 10:50.41 | alterego | smhar: yes, that's possible, though easier to just use opensync. |
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| 10:55.37 | smhar | alterego, I am planning to buy an N900 today, and I will use it for many things including learning python. this could be a good target project to use for learning python; a gui application to sync N900 with linux. could be easier to use than opensync |
| 10:56.18 | alterego | A GUI wrapper for opensync would be nicer, written in Python :) |
| 10:57.42 | MiXu- | I'm not sure what opensync is exactly for, but if it's SyncML, there's already SyncEvolution gui client for N900. |
| 10:57.48 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: np |
| 10:58.09 | smhar | alterego, from my readings so far and asking here, it seems the only way to sync contacts with linux is using syncevolution which is not as simple as using the windows Nokia Suite |
| 10:58.11 | alterego | MiXu-: I think the do similar things. |
| 10:58.17 | MiXu- | yeah, probably |
| 10:58.44 | alterego | All Ik know is, ubuntu community recommend opensync for syncml |
| 10:59.02 | alterego | Also, I think the issue is more on the desktop side :) |
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| 10:59.41 | MiXu- | I don't want to plug my phone to a pc to be able to sync. That's so 2001. :) |
| 11:00.03 | smhar | well, we have to wait until I put my hand on it and see :-) |
| 11:00.31 | smhar | MiXu-, there is always BT and wifi |
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| 11:01.23 | MohammadAG | ssh + copy crap from /home/user/.* directories :P |
| 11:01.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:02.21 | smhar | mohammadAG, that is just copying =backup, not 'using' two synchronized copies |
| 11:02.22 | alterego | Sod the UI, I'd write an ifup.d script that detects whether my workstation is connected to wifi and does a sync when in home wireless network :) |
| 11:02.31 | MiXu- | smhar: They're both limited to your home/work/etc. location. |
| 11:02.39 | MiXu- | Not cool. |
| 11:02.51 | MiXu- | MfE or SyncML over http rule :) |
| 11:02.57 | MohammadAG | smhar, that's the hardcore way of doing it :p |
| 11:02.57 | alterego | :) |
| 11:03.13 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'd use rsync for that. |
| 11:03.26 | MohammadAG | my experience with it was... meh |
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| 11:03.33 | alterego | Better than just cloning every time :D |
| 11:03.50 | alterego | I actually already do something similar for images and videos on my N900 |
| 11:04.05 | MohammadAG | alterego, use diff -u - |
| 11:04.09 | MohammadAG | -N |
| 11:04.20 | alterego | When I'm connected via usb or on the same wifi as my laptop it syncs images and videos |
| 11:04.36 | alterego | I should probably include other locations mind you. |
| 11:04.51 | MohammadAG | wants to backup his /dev/mtd5 |
| 11:05.06 | MohammadAG | I tried dd once, but it failed for some reason |
| 11:05.15 | MohammadAG | I wonder if I had it mounted |
| 11:05.22 | alterego | Probably :P |
| 11:05.33 | alterego | That's where dual booting comes in handy :) |
| 11:05.44 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 11:05.50 | MohammadAG | I dd'd it from fedora |
| 11:07.50 | smhar | guys, all those methods are fine, but what they do is just make/update a copy of your data, specifically contatcs |
| 11:08.00 | smhar | guys, all those methods are fine, but what they do is just make/update a copy of your data, specifically contacts and calender in the computer |
| 11:08.25 | smhar | I am talking of making those copies usable in the computer |
| 11:08.49 | alterego | smhar: we know, I don't even use it to backup my contacts. I actually don't use evolution on my laptop tbh. My N900 is my PIM |
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| 11:09.04 | alterego | I should at least back it up more regularly though. |
| 11:09.49 | smhar | alterego, what if it crashed and you lost them? |
| 11:10.50 | alterego | smhar: I'd be buggered :P |
| 11:10.54 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:11.23 | alterego | Luckily my care free attitude stops me from caring :) |
| 11:11.40 | alterego | I only really care about contacts and data. |
| 11:11.51 | alterego | And I export contacts pretty regularly. |
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| 11:16.12 | kerio | did anyone manage to make MfE work with google contacts? |
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| 11:18.22 | alterego | spits "google schmoogle" :P |
| 11:18.38 | kerio | the sync always fails |
| 11:18.43 | kerio | :( |
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| 11:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=740273#post740273 |
| 11:26.29 | MohammadAG | OMG |
| 11:26.52 | alturiak | kerio: it's a bit dodgy since 1.2, from what I can tell. it works for me as long as a start with a clean device and don't try to merge any contacts with IM-contacts |
| 11:28.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol expected to have to use i2cset for that |
| 11:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I like to do new stuff every once in a while :-) |
| 11:29.53 | alterego | Hahah |
| 11:31.12 | alterego | hungry, but yet again I put geeking above food. |
| 11:31.23 | alterego | This might be why I'm not a fat bastard ... |
| 11:32.07 | alterego | I can't take it anymore, I need a bacon sandwich!!! |
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| 11:34.47 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, Your instructions make it sound like a fun game to play. Lets play "Which noob will stuff up first!" :P |
| 11:35.15 | Termana | I've generally found big bold red text doesn't put them off for some reason. |
| 11:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: then it's exactly what I intended to do |
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| 11:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | as stated inside the big red: I don't see how this procedure could be harmful (except for fs corruption as mentioned on bottom in bold) |
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| 11:38.32 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:38.38 | Nadley | hi evrybody |
| 11:39.34 | alterego | Hi Dr Nick! |
| 11:40.23 | alterego | Oh, it's thank god we ditched the Americans day :D |
| 11:41.26 | asj_ | DocScrutinizer: the one place I could use it will never have mains power, doh ;) |
| 11:41.51 | Nadley | somebody knows how can I sync all data of my contact with something ( thunderbird, google or my own server) |
| 11:42.02 | asj_ | Nadley: yes |
| 11:42.12 | alterego | I'm thinking of making an external battery pack, that plugs into the microUSB |
| 11:42.28 | Nadley | asj: I listen you |
| 11:42.32 | alterego | Actually, I'll probably use the normal non-usb Nokia charger connector to make it work with other handsets. |
| 11:43.06 | asj_ | Nadley: oh you want to know how too? ;) Use MFE or download the SyncML program (never used it though) |
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| 11:43.24 | alterego | Anyone got any good solutions for mounting N900 on a bike? |
| 11:43.36 | MohammadAG | tape |
| 11:43.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:43.47 | asj_ | alterego: 2 screws through the back cover is how the Nokia chalenge guys did it |
| 11:43.56 | alterego | Eesh |
| 11:43.59 | MohammadAG | shrugs |
| 11:44.06 | alterego | Not good over rough terrain I imagine |
| 11:44.07 | kpel | alterego: get a carrying case for N900 andsecure it on the bike somehow? |
| 11:44.09 | asj_ | alterego: oh, away from the phone, not into the phone |
| 11:44.18 | MohammadAG | is the back cover that good? |
| 11:44.18 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:44.20 | alterego | asj_: hahah, yeah, guess that :P |
| 11:44.37 | asj_ | scewing through lion batteries negatively affect their performance, fyi |
| 11:44.44 | alterego | I think I'll machine a holder myself, with suspension. |
| 11:44.50 | MohammadAG | who would've though |
| 11:44.56 | MohammadAG | t |
| 11:45.10 | Nadley | asj : I tried MFE with my google account it works but it doesn't sync IM data about my contacts :s. And SyncML I don't know if those data will be sync. |
| 11:45.17 | alterego | Make a proto in wood, then I'll probably shape some aluminum. |
| 11:45.27 | asj_ | Nadley: www.nuevasync.com |
| 11:45.47 | asj_ | alterego: fiberglass :) |
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| 11:46.07 | asj_ | foam+epoxy, wet layup, voiala :) |
| 11:46.19 | joa_ | hi there |
| 11:46.32 | joa_ | is there any problem with the maemo repository ? |
| 11:46.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, end up choosing and installing a distro for your EEE? |
| 11:46.42 | Nadley | asj_: ok I tried it thanks |
| 11:47.13 | alterego | asj_: I've got some of that actually :) |
| 11:47.16 | kpel | alterego: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-Leather-Side-Flip-Case-Pouch-Cover-Nokia-N900-/290427511450?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item439ed4229a |
| 11:47.47 | joa_ | I'm trying apt-get update but it is stuck on repository.maemo.org and then says it fails to resolv it ... |
| 11:48.07 | alterego | joa_: try disconnecting your internet connection and reconnecting it |
| 11:48.39 | Nadley | Also when I sync with MFE the birthday date of my contact change from one day, for exemple somebody birth 06/22/1988 will be birth 06/23/1988 |
| 11:48.44 | joa_ | altwell I have nothing |
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| 11:49.00 | joa_ | to loos* |
| 11:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: chosen a really not suiting one, but thanks for the installer - works like a charm |
| 11:49.53 | kpel | Nadley: so N900 makes people younger? :) |
| 11:50.03 | kpel | "the elixir of life" |
| 11:50.24 | kpel | interesting bug tbh. Never noticed it. |
| 11:51.00 | Nadley | kpel: may be but it is not cool because if I want to celebrate a brithday I'll be late :d |
| 11:51.29 | kpel | yes, it's not cool at all |
| 11:51.31 | alterego | Anyway, I just bought a new bikke, which is why I Want to mount my N900 on it :) |
| 11:51.44 | alterego | I'll have to make the case splash proof too. |
| 11:52.05 | pupnik | i find that not mounting things to bike helps them last longer |
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| 11:55.26 | alterego | It'll be fine .. |
| 11:55.31 | alterego | Unless I fall off... |
| 11:55.43 | alterego | And it's insured :) |
| 11:56.34 | joa_ | the weird thing is that I can ping repository.maemo.org just fine (altough 40ms response time) |
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| 11:58.30 | crashanddie | alterego: new bike? |
| 11:58.39 | alterego | crashanddie: yeah :) |
| 11:58.46 | crashanddie | alterego: pics? |
| 11:58.50 | crashanddie | spec? |
| 11:59.08 | alterego | Not yet, it's actually at my parents, should be receiving it during the week |
| 11:59.23 | alterego | It's quite cheap and nasty tbh, 280 quid |
| 11:59.36 | crashanddie | ah :) |
| 12:00.03 | crashanddie | you do realise for just a couple hundred more, you get a bike that'll last you over a decade? |
| 12:00.19 | crashanddie | alterego: gears? |
| 12:00.19 | alterego | My dad actually got it, so I know not a lot about it at all. Alu frame; got some road tires for it. No suspension but I've never been too fussed with that. |
| 12:00.34 | alterego | Not sure, I'm guessing 21 |
| 12:00.43 | crashanddie | nha, suspension isn't needed if you're not going to do mountainbiking |
| 12:00.52 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:00.55 | crashanddie | even I'm a pretty avid single tracker, and have no suspension |
| 12:01.04 | alterego | It is a mountain style frame and bars |
| 12:01.43 | alterego | So I might get some bars as I'm more comfortable cycling with my hands side on tbh |
| 12:01.58 | crashanddie | the problem is that between the loss of power you get with a cheapo suspension, and the price you have to fork out for good suspension (count between 250 and 500 quid for a good suspension fork), it's usually a lot better and cheaper to go for no suspension |
| 12:02.13 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:02.20 | alterego | adds a lot of weight, the cheap ones do. |
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| 12:03.02 | alterego | tbh, I wouldn't have cared if it was a crappy 4th hand 50 quid purchase, I just want to get back on the road :D |
| 12:03.09 | crashanddie | plus, you can have all the suspension in the world, if you don't know how to absorb shocks by yourself (our knees and elbows are actually pretty good), you'll end up with a broken back |
| 12:03.10 | alterego | And the weather has been so great recently .. |
| 12:03.24 | alterego | crashanddie: hah, for sure |
| 12:03.30 | crashanddie | alterego: are you in london? |
| 12:03.36 | alterego | Cambridge |
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| 12:03.38 | crashanddie | ah |
| 12:03.44 | alterego | Well, about 8 miles out |
| 12:03.58 | crashanddie | dunno about cmbr, but in London, you can actually go to auctions the met police holds for stolen bikes |
| 12:04.10 | alterego | Yeah, they do that here too :) |
| 12:04.15 | crashanddie | you can get a good 300 quid bike for roughly 60-100 |
| 12:04.39 | crashanddie | it's where I got a cheapo push bike for commuting in the city (from train station to work) |
| 12:04.40 | alterego | That actually didn't occur to me, maybe when I get more serious I'll look ingot something better, |
| 12:04.47 | alterego | Sweet |
| 12:04.50 | alterego | You in London? |
| 12:04.53 | crashanddie | used to be |
| 12:05.00 | crashanddie | then moved to australia, now back in France |
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| 12:05.33 | crashanddie | well, whenever you're interested in getting a good bike, feel free to start a topic on tmo |
| 12:05.36 | crashanddie | I'd be happy to chime in |
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| 12:06.25 | alterego | Cool, I've got a mate who used to work in a bike shop. He knows a lot and has given me good advice in the past. He personally tends to go for bikes that are about 2 grand though and custom built by him :D |
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| 12:06.45 | alterego | And then he complains when they get stolen ... |
| 12:06.55 | crashanddie | (FYI, I'm more in favour of "solid and durable" rather than "cutting edge and expensive". For example, I have a single chain with the gears inside the rear hub. Prevents derailing, and prevents a lot of breakage when doing single track |
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| 12:07.29 | alterego | I think he said that he's had 6 bikes stolen, totelling something like 15 grand in total. And he's only ever had one found and returned. |
| 12:07.36 | alterego | Even though they're all pretty unique :/ |
| 12:07.47 | crashanddie | then he needs to use a lock? |
| 12:08.01 | alterego | Hahah, he needs to stop getting pissed and leaving the bikes locked outside of pubs :P |
| 12:08.09 | alterego | Locks to crap all round here, |
| 12:08.25 | alterego | I think Cambridge is one of the worst places to live when it comes to bike theft :D |
| 12:08.40 | crashanddie | meh, I've parked my (good) bike in London plenty of times, even in rough areas, and the worse I had stolen was my saddle |
| 12:08.41 | alterego | They're quick with their bolt cutters pikey bastards .. |
| 12:08.57 | crashanddie | bolt cutters won't go through a good SRA-approved lock |
| 12:09.04 | crashanddie | but yeah, it means you have to push 150 quid on a lock |
| 12:09.10 | alterego | Hah |
| 12:09.22 | alterego | And how heavy would that lock be? :P |
| 12:09.29 | crashanddie | relatively heavy |
| 12:09.39 | crashanddie | price also pays for cheaper materials |
| 12:09.47 | crashanddie | s/cheaper/lighter/ |
| 12:10.06 | alterego | I've got a dlock, stops them walking off with it but it wouldn't hold up against a bolt cutter :D |
| 12:10.23 | alterego | So I don't plan on leaving my bike unattended in places where it's likely to get stolen ... |
| 12:10.49 | alterego | Like outside a pub in the middle of town all night :D |
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| 12:12.24 | joa_ | that apt-get update issue : can it be caused by the wifi connection somehow ? |
| 12:12.55 | crashanddie | I use a hardened steel u-lock, won't go through it with a bolt cutter |
| 12:13.15 | crashanddie | maybe using the old pipe trick, or jack, and obviously power tools |
| 12:13.29 | joa_ | (I'm sorry to bother you with this but I'm in deep ****, I have to write a report on a project for tomorrow and can't even compile my app to make some screenshots ...) |
| 12:14.19 | crashanddie | alterego: if you can, invest in an o-lock |
| 12:14.24 | alterego | joa_: ah, last minute woes, I remember those :P |
| 12:14.37 | alterego | crashanddie: I'll keep it in mind, money is a little tight at the moment. |
| 12:14.59 | crashanddie | alterego: try to imagine how handcuffs work. The lock slides across the closing buckle, which means that as you tighten the lock, you remove space for any other thief to insert their tools |
| 12:15.35 | crashanddie | this is probably the most secure lock around as we speak |
| 12:15.39 | alterego | crashanddie: I've never thought of it like that, but yeah, that'sgood food for thought. |
| 12:15.40 | crashanddie | only power tools will go through it |
| 12:16.11 | crashanddie | alterego: well, worse that bolt cutters is the old pipe trick I spoke of. They take a bike metal pipe of 3 meters or something, and just twist the lock to shit |
| 12:16.17 | crashanddie | (usually damaging the bike too) |
| 12:16.29 | crashanddie | err, "a big metal pipe" |
| 12:16.35 | alterego | Yeah |
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| 12:20.11 | kpel | joa_: try activating a gprs connection, then do "host whatever_server_you_cannot_resolve" |
| 12:20.42 | kpel | joa_: that will tell you if there is something wrong with your wifi setup. |
| 12:21.02 | joa_ | kpel, I did mention I was using the scratchbox, didn't I? |
| 12:21.12 | joa_ | kpel, I didn't ... silly me |
| 12:21.20 | crashanddie | alterego: get a u-lock or o-lock for the back-wheel and frame (most expensive, roughly 30 quid), then a cable lock (simple cable, 10 quid) that you lock your front wheel, and pass through your saddle too. Attach that to the u-lock, and you're safe. |
| 12:23.08 | alterego | sweet |
| 12:23.15 | alterego | Now all I need is my bike |
| 12:23.33 | alterego | Think I'll go and collect it tomorrow :) |
| 12:25.18 | pupnik | i'd like a simple pager alarm if bike is disturbed |
| 12:26.15 | alterego | Well, N900's are getting so cheap now that could probably be arranged ;) |
| 12:27.04 | alterego | Actually, in my previous job, I worked with a device called a "Tellme" board, which had relay contacts and also contact closure switches, and you could set up the board to notify you of changes via SMS |
| 12:27.10 | alterego | Or poll it for changes via SMS |
| 12:27.11 | smhar | ok..what is the price now? the cheaper I found here is $544 |
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| 12:27.21 | kpel | i'm surprised nobody started yelling "Arduino! Arduino!" yet |
| 12:27.25 | alterego | It ran off of an on board battery that lasts about a month |
| 12:27.45 | alterego | And it would probably fit into an area under your saddle, or inside the actualy frame quite easily .. :) |
| 12:28.43 | alterego | It also had temperature sensors, would be cool if you could plug in a GPS, though that's pushing it a bit far :) |
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| 12:29.18 | alterego | Otoh, provided the divce isn't disturbed, cell info would be probably good enough to track it for the police .. |
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| 12:29.44 | kpel | depends on the NW density |
| 12:30.20 | kpel | but if the device sends all the cells in its active set, plus signal strength from each, then it becomes easier to work out the location |
| 12:32.46 | SpeedEvil | gps modules are quite cheap |
| 12:32.49 | alterego | I think a bit of analysis whilst it's in motion would work. |
| 12:32.52 | SpeedEvil | no point innot adding one |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | And you;';re missingthe point |
| 12:33.04 | alterego | SpeedEvil: this specific board I have in mind wont interface with that .. |
| 12:33.22 | SpeedEvil | While in principle, you can do cell positioning like that - it's not setup to do so |
| 12:33.33 | SpeedEvil | So? |
| 12:33.45 | SpeedEvil | AVR+GPS+GSM |
| 12:34.06 | alterego | AVR? |
| 12:35.31 | kpel | i thought the idea was to use what is vailable |
| 12:35.40 | kpel | *available |
| 12:44.46 | SpeedEvil | AVR is to arduino as lego is to legolas. |
| 12:44.48 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 12:44.52 | SpeedEvil | lego is to legoland |
| 12:45.40 | kpel | lol |
| 12:46.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22969 |
| 12:46.23 | SpeedEvil | for example - gps tracker |
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| 12:46.29 | SpeedEvil | they're coming down in price a lot |
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| 12:54.52 | alterego | SpeedEvil: oh, that's sweet, and pretty cheap |
| 12:55.45 | alterego | SpeedEvil: not sure how big it is though .. |
| 12:56.21 | SpeedEvil | There are similar smaller ones. |
| 12:59.35 | SpeedEvil | Sparkfun is good as an indicative 'what's available' site. |
| 12:59.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=4 |
| 12:59.51 | SpeedEvil | though often you canby shopping around get stuff at half the price |
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| 13:14.33 | chem|st | crashanddie: did you want to get back in mod costume now or not? |
| 13:14.54 | chem|st | got a fancy clown nose to add :) |
| 13:19.36 | RST38h | chem|st: it goes well with a little mustachio |
| 13:19.37 | crashanddie | chem|st: you seem to be doing fine |
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| 13:23.13 | RST38h | BTW, anyone using OpenGLES on N900? |
| 13:23.21 | RST38h | s/using/programming in |
| 13:24.04 | lcuk | little fragments of RST38h |
| 13:24.08 | lcuk | moin btw |
| 13:24.27 | alterego | I remember seeing a while ago a Qt custom widget example where they created an analog dial. |
| 13:24.36 | alterego | Anyone know where this is? I can't find it through google for scht ... |
| 13:24.45 | crashanddie | hardly analog :P |
| 13:24.56 | crashanddie | unless Qt is older than I thought it was |
| 13:25.52 | kerio | lol |
| 13:26.11 | alterego | I wonder if it was in the Qt book actually .. |
| 13:26.14 | alterego | checks |
| 13:26.15 | lcuk | moses was a qt developer |
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| 13:27.36 | alterego | Yes, and the 10 commandments where exactly that, his first hello world :D |
| 13:28.19 | lcuk | he didnt like the first patch supplied by god |
| 13:28.40 | lcuk | so they scrapped that idea and did some extreme buddy programming to come up with a better example |
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| 13:30.42 | alterego | I can't even find the freakin' Qt book any more .. |
| 13:31.07 | alterego | Ah, found it ... |
| 13:31.15 | MohammadAG | Qt for dummies |
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| 13:35.11 | luke-jr | crashanddie: it was analog like the "analog clock" widget is |
| 13:35.19 | luke-jr | Qt 2 I think? |
| 13:35.34 | crashanddie | luke-jr: I think your sarcasm meter is broken |
| 13:35.37 | luke-jr | :) |
| 13:39.17 | chem|st | crashanddie: right... no we don't |
| 13:39.41 | crashanddie | chem|st: you're having trouble? |
| 13:43.41 | chem|st | crashanddie: if we get like 20 more mods each has to do a bit... |
| 13:43.58 | chem|st | crashanddie: it is getting more every day |
| 13:44.12 | crashanddie | then launch a campaign\ |
| 13:44.20 | crashanddie | campaign to recrute people |
| 13:44.21 | chem|st | I recognized lots of <10 posts people |
| 13:45.03 | luke-jr | just op the top of the userlist |
| 13:45.04 | chem|st | we got 3 out of that last time so I'd like to talk people I think of doing good in to it ;) |
| 13:45.12 | luke-jr | _0x47 to apoi |
| 13:45.14 | luke-jr | or so |
| 13:45.32 | MohammadAG | easily exploitable |
| 13:45.36 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 13:45.46 | _MohammadAG | see? |
| 13:47.11 | luke-jr | we have an unusually low op:total ratio in #anime today |
| 13:47.13 | luke-jr | just under 50% |
| 13:48.14 | luke-jr | there, now exactly 50% |
| 13:48.20 | lcuk | so 1 op, 2 users :p |
| 13:48.24 | crashanddie | luke-jr: we're talking about mods, nop ops |
| 13:48.39 | luke-jr | lcuk: 39/78 ops |
| 13:49.06 | crashanddie | that's bollocks, really |
| 13:49.12 | crashanddie | it's all just about e-peen |
| 13:49.18 | luke-jr | lol |
| 13:49.20 | Trizt | I know I ask this in the wrong channel, but how do I do something similar to php's $object->$functionname() in python with it's self-object |
| 13:50.12 | luke-jr | crashanddie: in practice, it tends to work |
| 13:50.24 | crashanddie | there is no practice |
| 13:50.46 | crashanddie | luke-jr: look at this channel, one op can handle the full activity of the 500 users |
| 13:51.00 | alterego | Trizt: self.function() |
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| 13:51.18 | luke-jr | crashanddie: except when that one op is gone? |
| 13:51.21 | crashanddie | maybe you attract a lot of /b/tards, but even then, you don't need more than 10 ops in any channel freenode will allow |
| 13:51.41 | crashanddie | you just need to cover the timezones intelligently, and rarely need 39 ops for that |
| 13:51.50 | Trizt | alterego; I have the functions name in the variable, I get "object has no attribute 'ckn'" |
| 13:52.06 | chem|st | 4-5 ops is just right |
| 13:52.07 | luke-jr | or just op anyone remotely trustworthy and deop those who abuse it |
| 13:52.34 | alterego | Trizt: oh, you want a function reference from a variable container it's name |
| 13:52.55 | alterego | Trizt: f = self.__dict__[variable]; f() |
| 13:53.08 | Trizt | alterego; thanks |
| 13:53.19 | RST38h | lcuk: mourning indeed |
| 13:53.26 | luke-jr | alterego: does that pass self correctly? |
| 13:53.32 | luke-jr | as the first argument, I mean |
| 13:53.36 | RST38h | lcuk: Anyway, I need to render into a texture or a pixmap |
| 13:53.41 | alterego | luke-jr: yes, as it's already bound I believe |
| 13:53.52 | RST38h | lcuk: Tried the methods prescribed by TI, but none of them work |
| 13:54.01 | alterego | Where as, SomeClass.__dict__[blah] would not be .. |
| 13:54.28 | Trizt | alterego; it worked :) you saved me hours of time as I don't have to make a load of if...elseif...else |
| 13:54.38 | alterego | Trizt: :) |
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| 13:57.14 | alterego | Teeheehee, custom widgets in Qt are really nice |
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| 13:57.23 | alterego | Now it's all starting to make sense ... |
| 13:57.51 | Trizt | suxx so much in making graphics so he will just use default widgets |
| 13:58.13 | MohammadAG | <crashanddie> you just need to cover the timezones intelligently, and rarely need 39 ops for that |
| 13:58.23 | MohammadAG | only 24 timezones, so 24 ops |
| 13:58.41 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: nope, you hardly have people awake only 1h per day |
| 13:58.45 | alterego | Trizt: unfortunately the app I'm working on requires, well, pretty mnuch 80% custom widgets :D |
| 13:58.51 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, what id you do |
| 13:58.53 | MohammadAG | if* |
| 13:59.06 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: then you're not an op ;) |
| 13:59.36 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 14:00.06 | Trizt | alterego; my app would look nicer with some custom widgets, but that has to come later, now I'll just settle for default ones, learn some basic python and qt. |
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| 14:00.39 | Trizt | one thing that troubles me is that everything don't look the same on the n900 as it does on my computer |
| 14:00.50 | lcuk | RST38h, ive got an example here that makes textures based on algorithmic shader |
| 14:01.03 | lcuk | not quite what you need - are you wanting to pump live bitmaps into it? |
| 14:01.15 | alterego | Trizt: yeah, well, if you using Python+PyQt/PySide, I actually just edit the files directly on the device and run them on the device. |
| 14:01.19 | Trizt | change font size from 10 to 9, makes a litte difference on the computer, on the n900 it's like half the size |
| 14:02.36 | lcuk | RST38h, also, in qt phonon - there is a yuv->rgb conversion shader, taking data in main memory i assume and showing it as a texture within 3d world. if it can give you any hints to get what you need: http://qt.gitorious.com/qt/qt/blobs/master/src/3rdparty/phonon/gstreamer/glrenderer.cpp#line213 |
| 14:03.06 | lcuk | and if you do get some hints please be posting them openly :P |
| 14:04.16 | Trizt | alterego; what size do you set on the frame if you use the app in a way where you have the title bar visible (not full screen) |
| 14:04.53 | alterego | Trizt: what frame? |
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| 14:05.36 | Trizt | mainWindow.resize(x,y) |
| 14:05.38 | alterego | Trizt: are you talking about what size is the main windows allocation if run in non fullscreen mode? |
| 14:05.51 | Trizt | nods |
| 14:06.05 | alterego | Trizt: well, in the absence of actually knowing where the doc is |
| 14:06.16 | alterego | You can do: print window.width() |
| 14:06.24 | alterego | and print: window.height() on the device and find out yourself :P |
| 14:06.34 | alterego | Hang on, I'll do it :P |
| 14:06.42 | Trizt | okey, |
| 14:06.57 | Trizt | otherwise I could have just switched to another window |
| 14:07.42 | alterego | 800x424 |
| 14:08.29 | Trizt | I don't seem to get out that much space, I was running a 800x400, but that too don't feel the right size |
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| 14:09.12 | RST38h | lcuk: No, this is not what I need... |
| 14:09.29 | lcuk | ok RST38h |
| 14:09.38 | RST38h | lcuk: What I need is draw to a large texture (1024x512) using GLES |
| 14:09.49 | RST38h | lcuk: And then show just a PART of this texture to the user |
| 14:09.51 | lcuk | ok, so the texture will be modified once per frame |
| 14:10.04 | lcuk | by your flatland code (like mine) |
| 14:10.08 | RST38h | lcuk: Alternatively, this can probably be done without textures if I have direct access to the off-screen rendering buffer |
| 14:10.10 | lcuk | and then presented |
| 14:10.33 | RST38h | lcuk: the key part there is "drawing to the texture with GLES" |
| 14:10.48 | derf | We do this for Fennec somehow. |
| 14:11.14 | RST38h | moo, derf |
| 14:11.21 | RST38h | I have so far found two ways to do this: |
| 14:11.56 | RST38h | 1) Frame Buffer Objects (found in GLES extensions) - my program will not link, as it does not find the proper functions (like GenFramebuffersOES()) in GLES_CM |
| 14:12.56 | RST38h | 2) EGL piximages, used as textures - I am forced to create a new context for the pixmap, and attempts to use pixmaps from that context for textures in my main context seem to fail |
| 14:13.01 | lcuk | RST38h, i draw to a texture using a shader |
| 14:13.10 | lcuk | phonon draws to a texture using a shader |
| 14:13.14 | RST38h | lcuk: As I said, it is not exactly the same thing |
| 14:13.19 | RST38h | No shader here. |
| 14:13.45 | lcuk | perhaps the shader is the part you need to get it working ? :) |
| 14:13.53 | RST38h | No, not really. |
| 14:14.01 | lcuk | to push your data onto the texture? |
| 14:14.06 | derf | FBO is the "normal" way to do this. |
| 14:14.07 | RST38h | No shader will render arbitrary GLES primitives for me :) |
| 14:14.23 | alterego | What GLES primitives? |
| 14:14.29 | RST38h | derf: strings libGLES_CM.so |grep GenFramebuffersOES shows me that the function is there |
| 14:14.31 | lcuk | does gles have primatives? |
| 14:14.34 | alterego | You have to use shaders to render anything using GLES .. |
| 14:14.36 | RST38h | derf: But the linker does not find it |
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| 14:14.47 | RST38h | lcuk: polygones, lines, points, textured or not. |
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| 14:15.14 | alterego | You have to use shaders, that's if you're using GLES 2, I think you can use dumb OpenGL implementation with GLES 1.x |
| 14:15.32 | RST38h | would rather not spend time explaining the difference between GLES 1.1 and GLES 2.0 and why shaders have nothing to do with using plain GLES functions to draw stuff |
| 14:15.56 | alterego | RST38h: well, what are you using? GLES 1 or 2? |
| 14:16.09 | RST38h | GLES 1.1 (libGLES_CM.so) |
| 14:16.30 | lcuk | RST38h, not askign you to, but everywhere i looked primatives are said to not work and most everything has to be done with shaders - hence my and alterego's mentioning |
| 14:16.31 | alterego | Okay, and you're using old school style primitives? glVertex3f() functions and stuff? |
| 14:16.42 | RST38h | No |
| 14:16.49 | MohammadAG | slaps noobmonk3y with a lcuk |
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| 14:17.08 | RST38h | I am using glDrawArrays() and friends |
| 14:17.10 | lcuk | RST38h, :) happy to hear it then |
| 14:17.16 | alterego | RST38h: okay, cool. |
| 14:17.28 | alterego | And you've bound your texture? |
| 14:17.33 | RST38h | alterego: derf is absolutely correct - it has to be done with FBOs |
| 14:17.36 | lcuk | misconception #1 DELETED |
| 14:17.39 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 14:17.39 | RST38h | but FBOs do not work |
| 14:17.46 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals with a lcuk shaped trout |
| 14:17.48 | lcuk | hey noobmonk3y \o |
| 14:17.54 | lcuk | was concentrating |
| 14:18.00 | alterego | Hrm .. |
| 14:18.04 | noobmonk3y | hey hey! |
| 14:18.05 | alterego | Yes, you are right .. |
| 14:18.11 | derf | Unfortunately the patches to enable all of this stuff in Fennec are in some random bug that I can't find. |
| 14:18.34 | alterego | Otherwise you'd have to upload yoru texture every frame. |
| 14:18.35 | RST38h | The next suggested method is EGL eglCreatePbufferSurface() but it does not seem to work either |
| 14:18.43 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:18.48 | derf | I thought pbuffers were going away. |
| 14:19.01 | RST38h | alterego: EGL allows you to bind existing pbuffer to a texture |
| 14:19.10 | alterego | RST38h: what do you use to create your rendering context? |
| 14:19.15 | RST38h | derf: Maybe they were, but the Maemo GLES implementation still has them |
| 14:19.32 | RST38h | aterego: I am getting my main (displayable) context from SDL_GLES |
| 14:19.46 | alterego | Right, okay. |
| 14:20.00 | RST38h | alterego: As for the pbuffer context, I am using eglChooseConfig+eglCreateContext |
| 14:20.41 | alterego | RST38h: when are you doing that? |
| 14:20.48 | alterego | init GL function? |
| 14:20.50 | RST38h | Using SDL's context does not appear to work: it fails when I call eglMakeCurrent(display,pbuffer,pbuffer,sdl_context) |
| 14:20.59 | RST38h | Doing it during initialization |
| 14:21.20 | alterego | Do you have a GL context at that point? |
| 14:21.24 | RST38h | yes |
| 14:21.27 | alterego | As in, is it selected? |
| 14:21.32 | RST38h | ? |
| 14:21.33 | alterego | Or whatever you'd call it .. |
| 14:21.45 | RST38h | Well, the SDL makes its context current |
| 14:21.46 | alterego | Well, GL functions only work if your GL context is current. |
| 14:22.26 | alterego | Yeah, just wondering if you might have a similar issue to what I had with QtOpenGL, which is the openGL context isn't for instance active in the constructor of a class :) |
| 14:22.54 | alterego | And I found that I couldn't create my gl objects. |
| 14:23.34 | derf | RST38h: What is the error it gives? |
| 14:23.38 | lcuk | curses lack of proper portrait oriented stand |
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| 14:25.40 | RST38h | derf: Which one? FBO? |
| 14:25.42 | alterego | Oh, I've just had a neat idea for my custom widget ... |
| 14:25.55 | RST38h | derf: Or attempt to make SDL-supplied GL context current, with pbuffers? |
| 14:26.07 | derf | eglMakeCurrent |
| 14:26.09 | alterego | Pi * r ** 2 is circumferance right? |
| 14:26.15 | alterego | (Of a circle)? |
| 14:26.19 | RST38h | derf: 0x3009, aka BAD-MATCH |
| 14:26.20 | alterego | Or is that area |
| 14:26.33 | RST38h | alterego: it is the area |
| 14:26.42 | derf | Right, so your pixmap is incompatible with the context. |
| 14:26.42 | RST38h | 2pr is the circumference |
| 14:26.44 | alterego | Damnit, what's the circ? |
| 14:26.47 | alterego | 2pr right :D |
| 14:26.54 | alterego | thankyou |
| 14:27.05 | RST38h | derf: I tried multiple different pixmap formats, they all end up the same =( |
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| 14:28.58 | egerpaul_ | How can I mount the n900 in Debian Lenny? |
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| 14:31.09 | egerpaul_ | lsusb: Bus 007 Device 004: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) |
| 14:31.53 | alterego | egerpaul_: when you plug it in, if you type 'dmesg' you should see it register a block device called sdX |
| 14:31.57 | egerpaul_ | found the device in dmseg: [13544.043940] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 14:32.15 | alterego | Right, so, mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt |
| 14:32.30 | ShadowJK | it's probably just sdc |
| 14:32.47 | egerpaul_ | Cheers guys! |
| 14:32.50 | alterego | Oh yeah, if it's the internal drive. |
| 14:32.58 | noobmonk3y | prods MohammadAG |
| 14:32.59 | alterego | I hve a MicroSD too .. :) |
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| 14:33.37 | MohammadAG | probes noobmonk3y for BIOS drivers |
| 14:33.48 | MohammadAG | ~fsck noobmonk3y |
| 14:33.48 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains idiots! |
| 14:33.54 | noobmonk3y | lol's |
| 14:34.07 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, ... you geek! |
| 14:34.18 | MohammadAG | hmm, still has errors |
| 14:34.19 | MohammadAG | ~fsck noobmonk3y |
| 14:34.20 | infobot | e2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! |
| 14:34.22 | derf | RST38h: Well, unfortunately I'm not the one who got any of this working for Fennec. |
| 14:34.23 | noobmonk3y | :) |
| 14:34.24 | MohammadAG | fixed |
| 14:34.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:34.30 | noobmonk3y | slaps MohammadAG with a dumbass |
| 14:34.43 | MohammadAG | how dare you slap me with a noobmonk3y |
| 14:34.44 | derf | Though, IIRC, even when it was working, what we were tryingt do at least was unbearably slow. |
| 14:34.47 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 14:34.52 | derf | *trying to |
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| 14:35.02 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 14:35.07 | MohammadAG | my lappy's breaking down |
| 14:35.08 | MohammadAG | goody |
| 14:35.57 | lcuk | all those goats you have been looking at |
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| 14:36.21 | MohammadAG | lol screw you, it's not my problem if youtube got hacked |
| 14:36.57 | vanadismobile | youtube didnt get hacked |
| 14:37.13 | vanadismobile | its just some javascript |
| 14:37.22 | MohammadAG | html in comments |
| 14:37.46 | lcuk | vanadismobile, thats a hack - people can goto youtube expecting reasonably safe experience and be redirected elsewhere |
| 14:38.05 | vanadismobile | it's too easy for a hack |
| 14:38.36 | lcuk | why did it take years to do then? :) |
| 14:38.40 | lcuk | a hack is a hack |
| 14:38.51 | MohammadAG | damn you, I was typing that |
| 14:38.59 | RST38h | derf: If I at least could directly access the render buffer contents... |
| 14:39.00 | lcuk | types faster |
| 14:39.17 | MohammadAG | lcuk, that's why you didn't do that challenge I gave you |
| 14:39.18 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 14:39.31 | lcuk | which challenge? |
| 14:39.32 | lcuk | :D |
| 14:39.42 | RST38h | Oh well |
| 14:39.50 | derf | RST38h: You can use a TI extension called bc-cat, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 14:39.50 | RST38h | sighs and goes out |
| 14:39.59 | lcuk | is looking at 2 completely different patches to achieve same goal and wondering which to use |
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| 14:40.10 | MohammadAG | lcuk, http://www.typingtest.com/ 1 minute - text is test instructions |
| 14:40.13 | RST38h | why, the right one of course |
| 14:40.50 | derf | http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide |
| 14:41.38 | kakashi_ | Hi, I am trying to flash my n900 [operating system Debian; program flasher-3.5; target: flashing emmc and root] but unfortunately when I run the flashed, I get "USB device found found at bus 001, device address 005. Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted" and the flasher program abruptly ends |
| 14:41.53 | RST38h | ahha! |
| 14:41.53 | MohammadAG | run it as root |
| 14:41.56 | RST38h | derf: thanks |
| 14:41.57 | MohammadAG | su root |
| 14:42.01 | kakashi_ | oh! okay |
| 14:42.03 | kakashi_ | damn! |
| 14:42.11 | Macer | yawn |
| 14:42.14 | derf | RST38h: You won't thank me when you actually start trying to get it working. |
| 14:42.15 | MohammadAG | also, don't boot up in between if you plan to |
| 14:42.21 | MohammadAG | i.e don't use -R |
| 14:42.34 | kakashi_ | okay |
| 14:42.46 | Macer | glee is kind of funny |
| 14:42.48 | kakashi_ | thanks, stupid mistake |
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| 14:45.21 | pyther | Does anyone know what the folder with the phone icon is named? |
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| 14:47.02 | lcuk | MohammadAG, 58 51 56 for 3 different runs |
| 14:47.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, 81 -> 71 (adjusted), 58 on my N900 |
| 14:48.15 | MohammadAG | * lcuk types faster <- NOT :P |
| 14:48.24 | lcuk | does not type other peoples text well |
| 14:49.08 | MohammadAG | excuses excuses |
| 14:49.42 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:49.50 | RST38h | derf: I have read it - does not look like it is something worth trying =( |
| 14:50.14 | derf | We tried it. |
| 14:50.36 | Macer | hm. only 1.5TB free on my fileserver |
| 14:50.37 | derf | It would do fun things like randomly crash the first time you ran the program, but work the second time. |
| 14:50.44 | derf | And sometimes just reboot your device for no reason. |
| 14:50.44 | Macer | :( guess I'm going to have to start deleting stuff |
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| 14:50.53 | derf | When it wasn't rebooting your device every time, that is. |
| 14:54.45 | lcuk | git diff gives me a diff, but if i want to diff 2 folders using normal "diff" what command options do i use to get the same diff format? |
| 14:55.32 | derf | I have no idea if it's the same, but -Naur should be close enough. |
| 14:56.20 | lcuk | cool, thanks derf ill give it a blast |
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| 15:02.33 | kerio | stupid question: the data warning applies *every* $number MBs right? |
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| 15:07.14 | mehevil | As I read it, it was the first only. |
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| 15:12.05 | lcuk | kicks git |
| 15:12.26 | kerio | poor git |
| 15:12.33 | lcuk | i want to go back to a specific commit in git (so i can diff something without it looking messy) |
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| 15:13.02 | lcuk | but i dont want to kill the current branches and everything im seeing talks about rollbacks and stuff being for bad commits |
| 15:13.15 | lcuk | its not - i just want to change to it do something then change back to latest |
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| 15:35.51 | Dragnslicer | Has anyone else had problems using Exchange sync with Google? I got it to work once a month or two ago, but it's failed every time before then and since then |
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| 15:39.01 | Firebird | Is the auto-builder broken? I keep getting "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" |
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| 15:39.38 | kerio | Dragnslicer: doesn't work here |
| 15:39.40 | kerio | at least, for contacts |
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| 15:40.44 | Dragnslicer | kerio- it worked once for me after the last big version update was rolled out to the N900s |
| 15:40.53 | Dragnslicer | No luck since then, though |
| 15:41.16 | kerio | i have another bug with the contacts though |
| 15:41.28 | Macer | heh |
| 15:41.29 | kerio | sometimes the facebook entry in the contacts just disappears |
| 15:41.46 | kerio | it's still tracked though, i see the "online" status |
| 15:41.50 | Macer | facebook entry in the contacts? |
| 15:41.53 | kerio | and i can answer to chats |
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| 15:42.11 | Dragnslicer | I'd blame Facebook for that first, but that's just me |
| 15:42.11 | kerio | Macer: i open a contact, and there's no "Facebook chat" button |
| 15:42.12 | Macer | do you mean like a contact on the desktop? |
| 15:42.15 | Macer | oh |
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| 15:42.26 | Macer | weird. i don't use facebook so i don't know what to tell you ;) |
| 15:42.40 | Macer | i kmow i had a problem wtih the contacts i placed on a desktop not working |
| 15:42.53 | kerio | but i can answer, and "open contact" from within the chat correctly shows the contact |
| 15:43.20 | Macer | i had to add the contact to the desktop while being offline from any im otherwise it would go away on its own if i went offline |
| 15:43.23 | Dragnslicer | Facebook's Jabber gateway is a bit flaky |
| 15:43.23 | Macer | strange problem |
| 15:43.33 | Macer | but i don't want to file a bug because it would get marked as irrlevant |
| 15:43.37 | Macer | like bluetooth keyboard support :) |
| 15:43.38 | Macer | haha |
| 15:43.43 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:43.45 | kerio | Dragnslicer: it's not a server problem |
| 15:43.54 | kerio | because if i delete the IM account and then put it back on, it works |
| 15:43.57 | kerio | (after a loooooooong merge) |
| 15:44.32 | kerio | does the USB cable charge slower than the wall charger? |
| 15:44.38 | Guest44561 | yes |
| 15:44.38 | Macer | kerio: yes |
| 15:44.49 | Guest44561 | stabs nickserv. |
| 15:45.01 | Macer | plus usb cable has to be in a service mode in order to charge faster |
| 15:45.19 | Macer | meaning you HAVE to choose usb mass storage or something to get it to bump the power up from the usb port |
| 15:45.25 | kerio | huh |
| 15:45.30 | kerio | can't i just tap the area above the menu? |
| 15:45.31 | kerio | :/ |
| 15:45.39 | Macer | you can |
| 15:45.44 | Macer | but it won't put it into any type of usb mode |
| 15:45.47 | Macer | and will charge slower |
| 15:45.52 | Macer | a lot slower |
| 15:45.59 | kerio | stupid bme |
| 15:46.05 | n900evil | I'm not sure that is true |
| 15:46.16 | Macer | n900evil: i'm pretty sure it is |
| 15:46.26 | Macer | check the usb power output when you charge on teh cable ;) |
| 15:47.16 | kerio | huh |
| 15:47.24 | kerio | 500 in "just charge" mode, 500 in pc suite mode |
| 15:47.37 | kerio | i mean, i see it as pc suite anyway |
| 15:47.47 | kerio | (PR1.2) |
| 15:47.57 | n900evil | it's not |
| 15:48.02 | Macer | ah well. then i guess iw as mistaken. i remember someone here telling me that was an issue |
| 15:48.33 | n900evil | Macer: I comp.ared current as reported by the charge meter chip. |
| 15:48.36 | Macer | where it charges slower if you don't have a usb service going |
| 15:48.51 | Macer | there's a charge meter chip? :) |
| 15:48.52 | Macer | haha |
| 15:48.57 | n900evil | When tapping outside or pc suite mode |
| 15:48.59 | n900evil | yes |
| 15:49.08 | Macer | it was the same? |
| 15:49.12 | Macer | what about usb storage mode? |
| 15:49.13 | n900evil | yes |
| 15:49.36 | n900evil | not checked - I have no reason to suspect it'd differ. |
| 15:49.45 | Macer | well then. my bad ;) |
| 15:49.55 | kerio | wtf |
| 15:50.08 | kerio | i just... synced my photos |
| 15:50.11 | n900evil | when tapped outside the dialog, I think it pretends to be an empty removable disk |
| 15:50.11 | kerio | and it's in just charge mode |
| 15:50.16 | kerio | WTF |
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| 15:50.45 | kerio | i'm browsing it |
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| 15:56.21 | timeless_mbp | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/06/30/10032415.aspx |
| 15:56.26 | timeless_mbp | hrm, sounds like nokia |
| 15:58.08 | kerio | i'm serious, "just charge" is a joke |
| 15:58.35 | timeless_mbp | is this 1.2 or older? |
| 15:58.57 | timeless_mbp | the thing to keep in mind is that usb's limited charging (0.1amp) isn't enough to actually really charge your n900 |
| 15:59.04 | timeless_mbp | well, it will, if you wait forever |
| 15:59.07 | kerio | timeless: 1.2 |
| 15:59.11 | timeless_mbp | unless you're watching youtube or something |
| 15:59.26 | timeless_mbp | so⦠the n900 has to agree with the host to provide a service |
| 15:59.46 | timeless_mbp | what it's supposed to do in certain circumstances is say "hey, i'm a mass storage device, but oh, i don't have any storage today" |
| 15:59.55 | kerio | it shows as a N900 (iSync) here |
| 16:00.01 | timeless_mbp | which is a clever way of tricking the host into giving it 0.5 amps instead |
| 16:00.03 | kerio | (osx's system profiler) |
| 16:00.07 | timeless_mbp | err |
| 16:00.17 | timeless_mbp | looks for a micro usb cable |
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| 16:01.33 | timeless_mbp | and you said your n900 was on? |
| 16:01.46 | timeless_mbp | presses the power key on an n900 running 1.2 |
| 16:02.36 | kerio | n900 on, i connect it with nokia's usb cable, tap out of the dialogue box to select "just charge |
| 16:02.37 | kerio | " |
| 16:02.44 | kerio | then i open "nokia multimedia transfer" |
| 16:02.48 | kerio | and i can browse the device |
| 16:03.08 | SpeedEvil | open with what |
| 16:03.26 | kerio | my laptop |
| 16:03.29 | kerio | os x |
| 16:03.31 | timeless_mbp | he's running os x |
| 16:03.33 | timeless_mbp | i'll deal w/ him |
| 16:03.39 | timeless_mbp | so, first of all |
| 16:03.40 | kerio | feels like a pariah |
| 16:03.46 | timeless_mbp | your criteria for understanding "mass storage" is wrong |
| 16:03.51 | timeless_mbp | open file manager on the n900 |
| 16:03.57 | timeless_mbp | if you can see Document, Images, etc |
| 16:04.02 | timeless_mbp | then you aren't using mass storage |
| 16:04.07 | kerio | i'm not using mass storage |
| 16:04.20 | kerio | i'm using nokia's weird isuite protocol |
| 16:04.24 | kerio | but i shouldn't be |
| 16:04.29 | timeless_mbp | why? |
| 16:04.29 | kerio | because i chose "just charge" |
| 16:04.36 | kerio | and not pc suite |
| 16:04.40 | timeless_mbp | why the heck do you care? |
| 16:04.59 | timeless_mbp | there are only two modes on the n900 |
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| 16:05.07 | timeless_mbp | mass storage and everything-else |
| 16:05.19 | kerio | then why does it let me pick between *three* modes? |
| 16:05.29 | timeless_mbp | there are only two buttons... |
| 16:05.36 | kerio | i can choose "just charge" |
| 16:05.44 | kerio | and it shows as "just charge" in the status menu |
| 16:06.06 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, my n900 running pr 1.2 when i tapped out gave me N900 (Storage Mode) in System Profiler.app |
| 16:06.15 | timeless_mbp | w/ nothing mounted |
| 16:06.25 | timeless_mbp | my n900 says its current state: charging |
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| 16:06.40 | timeless_mbp | goes to find this nokia app for osx |
| 16:06.49 | timeless_mbp | (sounds like a terrible idea, but hey, i'm game) |
| 16:07.22 | kerio | afaik it doesn't install extensions |
| 16:07.29 | kerio | it's just a program |
| 16:07.58 | timeless_mbp | what's the name again? |
| 16:08.04 | kerio | nokia multimedia transfer |
| 16:08.52 | SpeedEvil | it was iirc showing up as a camera |
| 16:09.00 | SpeedEvil | pictbridge |
| 16:09.09 | timeless_mbp | The Nokia device âN900 (Storage Mode)â is currently connected in a USB mode not supported by Nokia Multimedia Transfer or iSync. |
| 16:09.11 | SpeedEvil | some can do browse fs |
| 16:09.28 | timeless_mbp | ok, so now it's running (kinda) |
| 16:10.18 | timeless_mbp | tapping out still gave me storage mode |
| 16:10.22 | SpeedEvil | new in 1.2? |
| 16:10.33 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i can't recall, but at some point we cheated |
| 16:10.39 | timeless_mbp | it's storage mode w/ 0 volumes |
| 16:10.43 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:10.44 | timeless_mbp | all the power, none of the data :) |
| 16:10.48 | SpeedEvil | see above |
| 16:11.05 | SpeedEvil | ... removable disk |
| 16:11.08 | kerio | nope, still shows as pc-suite mode here |
| 16:11.11 | kerio | :/ |
| 16:11.22 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 16:11.24 | timeless_mbp | so err |
| 16:11.31 | timeless_mbp | how the heck do i use this multimedia transfer thing? |
| 16:11.52 | SpeedEvil | pictbridge clit |
| 16:11.53 | kerio | menu on top, tools, device browser |
| 16:11.56 | SpeedEvil | client |
| 16:11.58 | Macer | there is someone outside in front of a liquor store making people feel bad for their sins hahahaha |
| 16:12.09 | kerio | SpeedEvil: freudian slip huh |
| 16:12.11 | lcuk | Macer, then move on :P |
| 16:12.18 | lcuk | you cant change everyones mind |
| 16:12.28 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 16:12.35 | timeless_mbp | i just get this stupid transfer setup dialog |
| 16:12.40 | SpeedEvil | typing too fast |
| 16:12.40 | timeless_mbp | what version are you using? |
| 16:12.53 | kerio | oh, it wants to know all about your device |
| 16:12.56 | kerio | that little bitch |
| 16:13.09 | kerio | 1.4.2 (8192) |
| 16:13.10 | Trizt | spy ware |
| 16:14.08 | Macer | lcuk: i was in my condo |
| 16:14.15 | timeless_mbp | hrm, Nokia Device Browser v1.9 (6304) |
| 16:14.19 | Macer | i was hearing him on a bullhorn |
| 16:14.21 | timeless_mbp | loves the totally incompatible version numbers |
| 16:14.26 | Macer | :) it was funny |
| 16:14.30 | kerio | timeless_mbp: oh, i was talking about multimedia transfer |
| 16:14.39 | SpeedEvil | I've found how to easily read the n900 when sitting in the sun. |
| 16:14.47 | Macer | speaking of multimedia... i need to copy some shows over to my phone |
| 16:14.54 | SpeedEvil | It involves a really large towel. |
| 16:15.02 | Macer | i'm glad the n900 has enough power to play xvids |
| 16:15.09 | Macer | the n810 wasn't so good at it |
| 16:15.31 | timeless_mbp | i think i have 1.4(.0) |
| 16:15.36 | lcuk | i should do that decoding power consumption test |
| 16:15.36 | SpeedEvil | power and storage. |
| 16:15.53 | lcuk | i still transcode videos if im going somewhere |
| 16:16.09 | lcuk | ever hopeful that lower res / simpler decoding will give me a longer battery life |
| 16:16.16 | SpeedEvil | well... |
| 16:16.36 | SpeedEvil | the dsp supported stuff is so much cheaper |
| 16:16.43 | timeless_mbp | kerio: how did you get 1.4.2? |
| 16:16.52 | timeless_mbp | http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/software/nokia-multimedia-transfer/download# claims to offer 1.4(.0) |
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| 16:17.20 | timeless_mbp | and it offers it in a .zip file, because that's how real mac users expect all their apps to be delivered |
| 16:17.21 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 16:17.44 | Nadley | has is own funambol server but sync it is not as I would like :s |
| 16:17.53 | timeless_mbp | well, at least i get to fill out a questionnaire :) |
| 16:18.52 | kerio | timeless_mbp: no idea |
| 16:19.33 | timeless_mbp | kerio: did you use nokia.com or nokiausa.com or www.nokia-latinoamerica.com ? |
| 16:19.48 | kerio | oh, click on "search for update" |
| 16:20.11 | kerio | hey, here it is |
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| 16:20.14 | kerio | http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/nokia-multimedia-transfer/download |
| 16:20.32 | timeless_mbp | yeah well, glad to see they don't offer it in the usa |
| 16:20.34 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 16:20.43 | timeless_mbp | anyone here in the usa wanna do me a favor and call nokia care? |
| 16:20.51 | Macer | haha |
| 16:21.03 | Macer | "your call will be answered in the order it was received" |
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| 16:21.05 | timeless_mbp | i'll pay for the call :) |
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| 16:21.13 | kerio | oh come on |
| 16:21.19 | kerio | apparently i can't enable mass storage mode |
| 16:21.19 | Mandavar | Hello everyone |
| 16:21.22 | kerio | something is using it |
| 16:21.23 | timeless_mbp | (it should be a +1800 call⦠but i'll pay for the coffee) |
| 16:21.23 | Macer | isn't nokia care a toll free number? |
| 16:21.29 | kerio | but i don't know wtf it is |
| 16:21.42 | kerio | reboots |
| 16:21.44 | timeless_mbp | kerio: well, what's running? |
| 16:21.50 | kerio | nothing |
| 16:21.59 | Macer | wow you seriously have some issues with your phone |
| 16:22.01 | timeless_mbp | open xterminal and use lsof |
| 16:22.05 | timeless_mbp | it's probably the Camera :) |
| 16:22.12 | kerio | nope, camera is closed |
| 16:22.13 | Mandavar | does anyone know where conversations stores its chatlogs? |
| 16:22.14 | timeless_mbp | (that likes to leave a file handle open) |
| 16:22.17 | timeless_mbp | define "closed" |
| 16:22.17 | kerio | oh i see |
| 16:22.21 | timeless_mbp | did you use the camera today? |
| 16:22.26 | timeless_mbp | because the camera is -stupid- |
| 16:22.30 | kerio | timeless_mbp: doesn't show on the dashboard, lid is closed |
| 16:22.39 | kerio | that's why i'd expect it to be closed, really |
| 16:22.39 | timeless_mbp | that doesn't mean the software isn't running |
| 16:22.39 | kerio | :) |
| 16:22.50 | timeless_mbp | users⦠expectations... |
| 16:22.54 | timeless_mbp | never the twain shall meet |
| 16:22.55 | kerio | yeah... |
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| 16:23.09 | timeless_mbp | but you didn't answer the question... |
| 16:23.12 | timeless_mbp | did you use it today? |
| 16:23.14 | kerio | yeah |
| 16:23.15 | kerio | i did |
| 16:23.25 | timeless_mbp | that should be your culprit |
| 16:23.31 | kerio | damn |
| 16:23.37 | kerio | i knew i shouldn't've used it |
| 16:23.46 | lcuk | huh |
| 16:23.47 | timeless_mbp | open xterminal (ctrl-shift-x) |
| 16:23.49 | timeless_mbp | killall camera-ui |
| 16:23.56 | Mandavar | but what use is it if you don't use it? |
| 16:24.10 | timeless_mbp | ooh, 1.4.2 knows about my n900 |
| 16:24.15 | timeless_mbp | this app might not be totally useless |
| 16:24.20 | timeless_mbp | (1.4.0 was absolutely useless) |
| 16:24.23 | kerio | wait, what |
| 16:24.28 | kerio | ctrl+shift+x opens the terminal? |
| 16:24.32 | Mandavar | yes |
| 16:24.55 | Mandavar | unless you changed it to do something else of course ;) |
| 16:24.55 | kerio | yay, storage mode |
| 16:24.58 | lcuk | which bit of camera software breaks mass storage? i use camera lots and also usb storage often to then copy some photos off after taking |
| 16:25.10 | lcuk | i dont think ive ever seen the mass storage not available? |
| 16:25.14 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: not sure, i think it might be video |
| 16:25.21 | lcuk | i do both |
| 16:25.23 | timeless_mbp | but basically one of the modes leaves an open file handle for the last snap |
| 16:25.32 | timeless_mbp | and thus you can't unmount because it's in use |
| 16:25.34 | lcuk | maybe if i was recording |
| 16:25.36 | timeless_mbp | which breaks mass storage |
| 16:25.38 | lcuk | sure |
| 16:25.46 | timeless_mbp | this is after the user has closed the ui! |
| 16:25.55 | timeless_mbp | as far as the user is concerned, it's done |
| 16:26.05 | lcuk | but it doesnt happen all the time |
| 16:26.08 | Mandavar | maybe file a bug report about it? |
| 16:26.08 | kerio | is the user |
| 16:26.17 | timeless_mbp | Mandavar: i think i did |
| 16:26.18 | lcuk | well i was just gonna ask for an nb# |
| 16:26.24 | timeless_mbp | dunno, lcuk can certainly check |
| 16:26.31 | timeless_mbp | internal/external, *shrug* |
| 16:26.39 | lcuk | heh |
| 16:26.57 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 16:27.06 | timeless_mbp | Nokia Device Browser is such a PoS |
| 16:27.16 | timeless_mbp | it violates so many conventions, i'm not sure where to start |
| 16:27.22 | lcuk | can be an mb# if you like |
| 16:27.46 | Mandavar | on a totally unrelated note: anyone knows where conversations stores the chatlogs? |
| 16:28.02 | kerio | timeless_mbp: open the activity monitor |
| 16:28.05 | kerio | sort by cpu |
| 16:28.24 | kerio | and do something with nokia multimedia transfer |
| 16:28.30 | timeless_mbp | you're scaring me |
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| 16:29.04 | timeless_mbp | i'm more annoyed that cmd- clicking the title area of Nokia Device Browser doesn't work |
| 16:29.14 | timeless_mbp | (and that the title area doesn't reflect the folder i'm looking at w/ icon) |
| 16:30.17 | timeless_mbp | eh |
| 16:30.22 | timeless_mbp | how hard is it to respond to cmd-q |
| 16:30.28 | timeless_mbp | kicks the **** out of NDB |
| 16:31.23 | timeless_mbp | kerio: so, afaict nokia multimedia transfer has changed it from useless empty storage to pcsuite mode |
| 16:31.26 | kerio | the sad thing is that iphoto doesn't know about my tags and/or geotags |
| 16:31.28 | timeless_mbp | that doesn't seem like the wrong thing at all |
| 16:31.40 | timeless_mbp | kerio: try picasa? |
| 16:31.59 | kerio | timeless_mbp: it's the wrong thing |
| 16:32.03 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 16:32.05 | timeless_mbp | why? |
| 16:32.15 | timeless_mbp | you're running software on your mac asking it to do X |
| 16:32.16 | kerio | if i tell it to be in "just charge" mode i want it to JUST CHARGE THE FUCKING BATTERY |
| 16:32.24 | timeless_mbp | on your n900 you tell it "i don't care" |
| 16:32.28 | kerio | timeless_mbp: ok, security issues |
| 16:32.32 | timeless_mbp | you didn't tell it "just charge" you said "i don't care" |
| 16:32.39 | timeless_mbp | security reasons? |
| 16:32.51 | kerio | i'm using an "unsafe" computer to charge it |
| 16:32.58 | kerio | because i trust the fact that it won't answer to requests |
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| 16:33.05 | kerio | because, you know, i'm using "just charge" mode |
| 16:33.12 | timeless_mbp | that wasn't in any requirements list anyone here got |
| 16:33.26 | timeless_mbp | if you think it's an important use case, i'd suggest you make a note to meego |
| 16:33.36 | kerio | it's not an "important use case" |
| 16:33.39 | kerio | it's just inconsistant |
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| 16:33.54 | timeless_mbp | tap out means "i don't care" |
| 16:34.01 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't mean "do this undocumented thing forever" |
| 16:34.50 | timeless_mbp | does wonder what the heck nokia did |
| 16:34.56 | kerio | but... i liked that undocumented thing! |
| 16:34.59 | kerio | :( |
| 16:35.01 | kerio | ;)s |
| 16:35.13 | timeless_mbp | since quitting the system menubar doesn't rid me of the behavior |
| 16:35.14 | kerio | *;) |
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| 16:35.56 | timeless_mbp | anyway, if you really want to force it, use a cable that only supports charging :) |
| 16:36.10 | kerio | timeless_mbp: 0.1mA |
| 16:36.16 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 16:36.21 | timeless_mbp | oh, yeah well :) |
| 16:36.21 | kerio | er |
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| 16:36.31 | kerio | no, that's right |
| 16:36.31 | timeless_mbp | that'd be the price you'd pay ;-) |
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| 16:37.24 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, my translation says 'charging', not 'just charging' |
| 16:37.41 | timeless_mbp | but please do feel free to file a bug in bugs.maemo.org |
| 16:37.47 | timeless_mbp | it should indicate it's in pc suite mode |
| 16:37.53 | timeless_mbp | (when it is) |
| 16:37.55 | Nadley | hi kerio |
| 16:38.02 | Nadley | I have a question for you kerio |
| 16:38.05 | timeless_mbp | please do be sure to indicate in the bug the precise steps to reproduce |
| 16:38.07 | timeless_mbp | that includes: |
| 16:38.11 | timeless_mbp | 1. downloading nmt 1.4.0 |
| 16:38.16 | timeless_mbp | 2. upgrading to 1.4.2 |
| 16:38.21 | timeless_mbp | 3. leaving that thing running |
| 16:38.26 | timeless_mbp | 4. attaching a working data cable |
| 16:38.30 | timeless_mbp | 5. turning on your n900 |
| 16:38.52 | timeless_mbp | 6. connecting the n900 to your data cable to your mac running 10.6 w/ nmt running in the menubar |
| 16:38.59 | timeless_mbp | 7. tapping outside the dialog |
| 16:39.07 | kerio | timeless_mbp: my translation says "just charge" |
| 16:39.09 | timeless_mbp | 8. opening system information on the mac |
| 16:39.19 | timeless_mbp | kerio: i wrote my own translation |
| 16:39.22 | kerio | timeless_mbp: don't write it here, write it in the bug report! |
| 16:39.28 | timeless_mbp | not my bug :) |
| 16:39.48 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: did you find no trace of the camera bug? |
| 16:39.48 | BluesLee | what is a mac?:-) |
| 16:40.01 | timeless_mbp | oh, do us a favor and specify the mac hardware too ;-) |
| 16:40.12 | timeless_mbp | that gives someone the chance to requisition one :) |
| 16:40.19 | Nadley | kerio: do you use skype on your N900 ? |
| 16:40.23 | kerio | Nadley: yeah |
| 16:41.36 | Nadley | kerio: ok me too but if I delete a contact with skype ID when I'm connected to skype it delete the contact on skype too. Do you have the same trouble ? |
| 16:41.56 | kerio | dunno |
| 16:42.03 | kerio | never deleted a skype contact |
| 16:42.12 | kerio | timeless_mbp: heh, they'll love it |
| 16:42.17 | kerio | i'm on a 17" macbook pro |
| 16:42.20 | timeless_mbp | Nadley: that's by design |
| 16:42.24 | timeless_mbp | kerio: yep :) |
| 16:42.43 | timeless_mbp | Nadley: it's an integrated system |
| 16:42.54 | timeless_mbp | if you don't want that behavior, you'll have to disable skype before you munge the contact |
| 16:43.04 | kerio | or just delete everything else |
| 16:43.14 | timeless_mbp | i'm fairly certain this is documented in various postings on the web |
| 16:43.21 | timeless_mbp | and no, i'm not defending any behaviors here |
| 16:43.24 | timeless_mbp | that's never my job |
| 16:43.31 | Nadley | timeless_mbp: ok :s. It is very painfull |
| 16:43.34 | lbt | X-Fade: ping.... maemo.org OBS nw seems to have gone.... |
| 16:43.39 | timeless_mbp | i have unfortunately already asked the engineers involved about all of these |
| 16:43.52 | timeless_mbp | Nadley: turning off skype is not painful |
| 16:44.05 | timeless_mbp | turning off twenty services might be a bit painful |
| 16:44.18 | timeless_mbp | but i only have half a dozen (6) |
| 16:44.42 | kerio | timeless_mbp: that's indeed half a dozen |
| 16:44.46 | kerio | :P |
| 16:45.25 | Nadley | timeless_mbp: yes I will do it like that by turning off skype. And if I merge my contacts with my skype contact I'll have some trouble ? |
| 16:45.40 | timeless_mbp | kerio: sometimes i wonder if people are unfamiliar w/ en-US/en-GB and only speak en-intl |
| 16:46.00 | timeless_mbp | Nadley: depends on what you're trying to do |
| 16:46.12 | timeless_mbp | obviously the UI designers and engineers decided this was "the right thing to do" |
| 16:46.16 | kerio | timeless_mbp: most people speak en-tubes |
| 16:46.21 | kerio | or en-lolcat |
| 16:46.26 | timeless_mbp | hates both |
| 16:46.32 | timeless_mbp | but especially the latter |
| 16:46.55 | kerio | timeless_mbp: http://www.lolcatbible.com/ |
| 16:47.10 | kerio | Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem. |
| 16:47.13 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: what's your "show photo" setting set to? No? 2, 4, 6, until dismissed? |
| 16:48.10 | Nadley | timeless_mbp: if I had my contacts then merge some of them with my skype contact and turn off skype then delete one of them and turn on skype. My merging work before will stay as it was ? |
| 16:48.43 | timeless_mbp | Nadley: my memory of this is >1 yr old |
| 16:48.50 | timeless_mbp | but roughly changes to skype are made live |
| 16:49.00 | timeless_mbp | if you aren't online, then it shouldn't see changes you make |
| 16:49.01 | timeless_mbp | iirc |
| 16:49.10 | Nadley | ok |
| 16:49.10 | timeless_mbp | but please don't take me word for it |
| 16:49.16 | timeless_mbp | it's your data, i don't care about it |
| 16:49.22 | Nadley | no prob I'll try it |
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| 16:50.57 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 16:51.23 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: there's probably some other magical piece to the camera incantation |
| 16:51.30 | timeless_mbp | i do remember it from nearly a year ago |
| 16:52.15 | timeless_mbp | gah |
| 16:52.38 | timeless_mbp | what possessed the Media Player / Image Viewer teams to use trash buttons of differing widths? |
| 16:54.34 | kerio | timeless_mbp: keyword being teamS |
| 16:55.23 | timeless_mbp | kerio: i should have said "what possessed the two ui designers who almost certainly sat next to eachother" |
| 16:55.25 | timeless_mbp | :( |
| 16:55.38 | kerio | how can you be so sure? |
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| 16:56.07 | kerio | maybe they worked from the antipodes of the nokia HQ |
| 16:56.41 | timeless_mbp | kerio: i work in the building where the team lived |
| 16:56.50 | timeless_mbp | and on average mistakes like this are indeed done by neighbors |
| 16:56.54 | timeless_mbp | i can point to specific instances |
| 16:57.11 | timeless_mbp | the ui team lived in a single wing of a single floor |
| 16:59.09 | kerio | why does the facebook chat plugin suck this much? :/ |
| 16:59.20 | kerio | after a sync where i rightfully deleted the "nicknames" |
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| 16:59.37 | kerio | (which are just name+surname, since facebook doesn't allow for different nicknames) |
| 16:59.55 | kerio | the facebook chat entry in the contacts just disappears |
| 17:00.28 | timeless_mbp | err |
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| 17:00.40 | timeless_mbp | the nickname is how a contact is connected to a service |
| 17:00.43 | timeless_mbp | no nickname, no service |
| 17:01.00 | kerio | huh? no |
| 17:01.11 | kerio | because different IM services have different nicknames |
| 17:01.12 | timeless_mbp | at least, in general |
| 17:01.20 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 17:01.23 | kerio | i'm talking about the vcard-type of "nickname" |
| 17:01.36 | timeless_mbp | you left the facebook username? |
| 17:01.54 | kerio | yeah |
| 17:01.55 | kerio | of course |
| 17:01.58 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 17:02.03 | timeless_mbp | iirc facebook was done by facebook |
| 17:02.07 | timeless_mbp | file bugs toâ¦. facebook |
| 17:02.18 | timeless_mbp | they're in mountainview or thereabouts |
| 17:02.21 | timeless_mbp | so they should speak English |
| 17:02.52 | kerio | i'm just adding it as a jabber chat |
| 17:02.54 | kerio | screw that |
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| 17:12.18 | Macer | haha |
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| 17:21.14 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, sure a year ago potentially, but ive got well over 1000 photos and use camera/usb stuff on a regular basis and never encounter it locking |
| 17:21.33 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 17:21.49 | timeless_mbp | if killall camera-ui fixed it, then it's the right culprit |
| 17:21.54 | timeless_mbp | if not, lsof would have identified it |
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| 17:23.08 | Lantizia | If you need a pen and paper to do your job and you buy them... then expense it with the company... does the company own the pen and paper? |
| 17:23.41 | Lantizia | if yes... would the same be true for an N900 and not a pen and paper :) |
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| 17:27.37 | kerio | Lantizia: the real question here is: can you get away with it? |
| 17:29.13 | timeless_mbp | Lantizia: so... |
| 17:29.31 | timeless_mbp | if you expensive a food or airilne ticket purchase,⦠|
| 17:29.38 | timeless_mbp | the company doesn't get to keep the food or the ride :) |
| 17:29.52 | timeless_mbp | but when i expensive a hdd purchase, my employer owns the drive |
| 17:30.02 | timeless_mbp | so yes, the company owns the pen and paper |
| 17:30.14 | timeless_mbp | now, on average, the company won't ask for the pen+ paper back |
| 17:30.21 | timeless_mbp | just like they don't ask for the food |
| 17:30.43 | timeless_mbp | but roughly speaking, by reimbursing you, they're purchasing the item from you and thus own it |
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| 17:34.22 | Lantizia | hmmm |
| 17:35.03 | Lantizia | timeless_mbp, which country are you in? |
| 17:36.18 | timeless_mbp | Finland |
| 17:36.23 | timeless_mbp | but i'm making assumptions |
| 17:36.31 | timeless_mbp | i can't say for certain that it's absolutely the case here |
| 17:36.39 | Lantizia | yeah it'd be nice to know for sure how it works in the UK :S |
| 17:36.42 | timeless_mbp | although i'm fairly certain because i believe i've been on the wrong end of some of this |
| 17:36.57 | timeless_mbp | i can't speak to UK law, and google is being unfriendly |
| 17:37.30 | Macer | i ddin't even notice that google released actual official builds of chrome for osx and linux |
| 17:37.40 | timeless_mbp | ages ago |
| 17:37.43 | Macer | i'm not a google fan but chrome is awesome heh |
| 17:37.51 | Macer | timeless_mbp: well.. didn't really think they were going to to be honest |
| 17:38.09 | Macer | thought they were going to leave osx and linux up to the opensource builders |
| 17:38.13 | Macer | chromium got pretty far alone |
| 17:38.15 | Macer | along |
| 17:39.42 | Macer | so then.. what's going on with chrome for my n900? :) |
| 17:39.44 | Macer | hides |
| 17:40.57 | kerio | it's crappy |
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| 17:41.35 | kerio | and yet, it's the only browser that consistantly scores 100/100 on the acid3, on my n900 |
| 17:41.56 | lbt | any maemo.org people around? X-Fade ? |
| 17:43.38 | Macer | i thought they took it off the repos |
| 17:43.38 | Macer | :) |
| 17:43.41 | Macer | anyways. i have to go |
| 17:49.27 | kakashi_ | I am trying to flash my emmc and I am getting this error http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=1gwln2 |
| 17:49.34 | kakashi_ | what might be the problem? |
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| 17:49.57 | kerio | are you pushing "u" while connecting the cable? |
| 17:50.01 | Lantizia | kakashi_, not held down u? |
| 17:50.21 | kakashi_ | yes |
| 17:50.46 | kerio | i thought you couldn't reflash the eMMC without flashing everything |
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| 17:53.00 | kakashi_ | infact line number 7 http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=1gwln2 it connects and then goes into Booting device into flash mode and then comes back to Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
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| 17:56.07 | kakashi_ | what does it mean? |
| 17:56.16 | kakashi_ | is it bricked or something? |
| 18:03.59 | n900-dk | Is Java really possible on N900? |
| 18:04.23 | crashanddie | n900-dk: yeah, through easy debian IIRC |
| 18:05.44 | luke-jr | n900-dk: Java isn't anything special |
| 18:05.54 | luke-jr | the only reason it's not available for Maemo is because nobody cares |
| 18:05.58 | luke-jr | because Java sucks |
| 18:07.00 | n900-dk | I need it for Junipers SSL WebVPN |
| 18:07.18 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:07.45 | luke-jr | why not use a normal VPN protocol? |
| 18:07.51 | n900-dk | but easy debian will not make Java work in MicroB, right? |
| 18:08.45 | n900-dk | luke-jr: I'm not sure if that is possible, or if only WebVPN is allowed.. |
| 18:08.59 | crashanddie | n900-dk: ah, yeah, no luck |
| 18:09.13 | crashanddie | n900-dk: no java applets |
| 18:10.30 | n900-dk | ok, thx |
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| 18:10.47 | kerio | n900-dk: well, you can use epiphany/iceweasel then |
| 18:11.08 | luke-jr | it doesn't work on Debian anyway |
| 18:17.13 | crashanddie | hmm, liberals winning in poland? |
| 18:17.21 | crashanddie | prolongation of the bloodline |
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| 18:35.37 | kW | Hello! Does anybody of you have experience with skype video calls on maemo? |
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| 18:42.46 | alterego | Weird, my media player widget has miraculously started working .. |
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| 18:49.04 | luke-jr | kW: I hear it requires the latest version of Skype on the PC end |
| 18:49.25 | luke-jr | kW: I also hear that the latest PC Skype is somehow more bloated than older versions, with higher system requirements |
| 18:49.48 | luke-jr | in the end, though, better to use standard |
| 18:49.50 | luke-jr | s |
| 18:50.05 | strohi | it hase more "features" :p |
| 18:50.42 | kW | luke-jr: well, I'm using linux |
| 18:51.11 | kW | luke-jr: and thus my skype version may not be the "latest"..., as skype releases for linux are always lacking behind... |
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| 18:55.30 | luke-jr | kW: so don't use Skype; it's a virus anywy |
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| 18:56.20 | kW | luke-jr: oh... I have a virus on my N900... |
| 18:56.31 | luke-jr | you do? |
| 18:56.58 | luke-jr | Maemo doesn't AFAIK have Skype. Nokia just licensed using the protocol... |
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| 19:02.41 | kW | luke-jr: you mean nokia has written its own skype client? |
| 19:02.55 | luke-jr | kW: looks that way to me |
| 19:03.13 | kW | well, I guess it is not open-source... is it? ;-) |
| 19:03.17 | Kegetys | that would explain why it is so crappy :P |
| 19:03.31 | luke-jr | kW: unlikely; Maemo isn't open source |
| 19:03.57 | luke-jr | actually, that makes for an interesting topic |
| 19:04.12 | luke-jr | if MeeGo is supposed to be open source, does that mean they're dropping Skype support? |
| 19:04.16 | Kegetys | I wonder if the skypekit thing will work on N900, could make a better implementation |
| 19:04.18 | kW | well.. maybe nokias implementation is more amenable to reverse-engineering than the implementation of Skype, Inc. |
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| 19:04.21 | luke-jr | or will we get an open Skype implementation |
| 19:04.29 | Surfa | luke-jr, why would you think so? |
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| 19:04.49 | Surfa | luke-jr, there are closed source sw running on other linuxes too |
| 19:04.50 | luke-jr | Surfa: I don't expect Skype will tolerate an open client |
| 19:05.11 | luke-jr | Surfa: we're not talking about running a client on an OS |
| 19:05.17 | luke-jr | we're talking about integration as part of the OS |
| 19:05.36 | Surfa | luke-jr, thats' more or less opinions there :) |
| 19:05.40 | luke-jr | ... |
| 19:05.50 | Surfa | when something is integrated in the sw or just integrated to ui |
| 19:06.08 | Surfa | sw = os |
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| 19:07.11 | Surfa | or closed source plugin for some app perhaps |
| 19:07.14 | kakashi_ | Btw, I just flashed my n900 |
| 19:07.38 | luke-jr | Surfa: if MeeGo includes anything closed, it's not open |
| 19:07.46 | luke-jr | simple as that |
| 19:08.46 | Surfa | luke-jr, well, then there aren't very many open os's in the world :) |
| 19:08.56 | luke-jr | Surfa: sure there are |
| 19:09.15 | kakashi_ | now the problem is that I am not able to make any calls, it says unable to connect to network, and it shows a sign with a "cross on simcard" in the top left status bar |
| 19:09.19 | luke-jr | Debian's the obvious one |
| 19:09.24 | kakashi_ | even though the simcard is present |
| 19:09.25 | Surfa | and if skype client was open source, then what? |
| 19:09.33 | kakashi_ | it is not detecting the sim card |
| 19:09.34 | Surfa | who cares really |
| 19:09.47 | luke-jr | Surfa: I do. |
| 19:09.49 | kakashi_ | does anybody know why? |
| 19:09.54 | Surfa | kakashi_, have you tried another sim card? |
| 19:10.02 | kakashi_ | yeah |
| 19:10.05 | kakashi_ | it does the same thing |
| 19:10.07 | Surfa | same problem? |
| 19:10.10 | kakashi_ | I tried flashing it twice |
| 19:10.19 | kakashi_ | it doesn't detect the simcard while booting |
| 19:10.22 | Surfa | ok.. one colleague of mine has problems with certain sim cards |
| 19:10.37 | kakashi_ | this used to work till the morning |
| 19:10.43 | Kegetys | if skype would be open source, skype support could be added to other IM clients and I could stop using that annoying skype one... plus missing features on the N900 one could be implemented |
| 19:11.14 | kakashi_ | Surfa, infact I have a password on my simcard, it doesnt prompt for it in the begining, I am not sure why it skips it |
| 19:11.36 | Surfa | kakashi_, if it doesn't detect it, of course it won't prompt the pin either |
| 19:11.45 | kakashi_ | yeha |
| 19:11.50 | kakashi_ | any solutions? |
| 19:12.16 | Surfa | sounds hw problems if you did reflash already |
| 19:12.47 | Surfa | ..and it happens with other simcards |
| 19:12.55 | Surfa | same operator sim card or some other? |
| 19:13.24 | kakashi_ | other |
| 19:13.35 | Surfa | doh, i'm out of ideas |
| 19:13.38 | luke-jr | Kegetys: you can already stop using that annoying Skype one ;) |
| 19:15.25 | Kegetys | nope |
| 19:15.40 | Surfa | off topic subjective opinion: I have never seen any im client implemented better than originals, only benefit is that they can be integrated into one client, but otherwise they are crappy without exceptions |
| 19:17.18 | luke-jr | Surfa: another benefit is that one could remove the viral/trojan code |
| 19:17.41 | Surfa | ..trojan code.. right |
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| 19:18.09 | luke-jr | if you have a decent net connection, Skype will hijack it |
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| 19:19.14 | alterego | Heh, just realised the year is MMX :D |
| 19:19.53 | luke-jr | slow |
| 19:20.31 | Kegetys | when I see skype eating my net bandwidth I just kill the process, I hope it disconnects the call its routing through my net :P |
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| 19:24.07 | mmarc__ | hey guys, do you know how to fix uninstallable apt-file? |
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| 19:24.39 | mmarc__ | wants libconfig-file-perl and libapt-pkg-perl, that are missing |
| 19:24.52 | mmarc__ | What repo they are from? |
| 19:25.13 | mmarc__ | Anybody with working apt-file on device or scratchbox? |
| 19:25.37 | Surfa | luke-jr, i take that you don't use spotify either? |
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| 19:28.00 | Surfa | luke-jr, it's all about giving something for getting something |
| 19:31.41 | mmarc__ | I need to find where sys/reg.h comes from. On big ubuntu it is libc6-dev, but in scratchbox the apt-file is not working and I can't verify that. PLEASE, could you suggest where to get libconfig-file-perl and libapt-pkg-perl? This is one click for you to verify if they present: apt-cache seach libconfig-file-perl |
| 19:32.07 | mmarc__ | apt-cache search libconfig-file-perl |
| 19:33.38 | toggles_w | does anyone here use a dc-6 on the n900? |
| 19:35.13 | jerhum | yes me |
| 19:35.51 | jerhum | why ? |
| 19:35.52 | toggles_w | jerhum: does it actually charge the device? |
| 19:36.19 | toggles_w | the specs I see on teh google say it's only 550mAh, I thought we needed more? |
| 19:36.39 | jerhum | yes, in my car some trouble need the good position for charge |
| 19:37.14 | toggles_w | jerhum: thanks mate |
| 19:37.19 | jerhum | but i don't test to a full charge |
| 19:37.25 | jerhum | but i use it with gps |
| 19:37.51 | toggles_w | jerhum: thanks, exactly my plan |
| 19:45.03 | ruxpin | gee. my rootfs on N900 is full. any hints what I should do to free us some space? |
| 19:45.12 | ruxpin | *free up |
| 19:46.50 | luke-jr | Surfa: I |
| 19:46.56 | luke-jr | Surfa: never heard of "spotify" |
| 19:47.06 | toggles_w | ruxpin: from installing apps? |
| 19:47.17 | luke-jr | Surfa: I don't give rights. |
| 19:47.25 | ruxpin | toggles_w: yeah, I was setting up a lot of stuff with apt-get |
| 19:47.29 | luke-jr | and I get nothing from Skype |
| 19:47.36 | ruxpin | like "build-essential" :D |
| 19:47.43 | toggles_w | ruxpin: lol ;-) |
| 19:48.05 | toggles_w | i'm guessing build-essential isn't optified so will cause you some grief |
| 19:48.18 | ruxpin | it was in fremantle extras |
| 19:48.31 | ruxpin | so um |
| 19:48.38 | toggles_w | you might want to look in /usr/bin and anything that isn't a softlink is using your root partition |
| 19:48.45 | ruxpin | do I go to /usr/bin and rm something not so important? |
| 19:49.04 | toggles_w | ruxpin: i wouldn't rm it, apt-get uninstall it |
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| 19:49.31 | ruxpin | apt-get won't work now because of no free space... :) |
| 19:49.53 | ruxpin | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 19:49.57 | toggles_w | rm the cache? |
| 19:50.11 | toggles_w | not sure of it's part though |
| 19:51.26 | toggles_w | nope, it's /home.. |
| 19:51.52 | ruxpin | hm, I rm'd something, but df still says 0% free |
| 19:52.21 | toggles_w | yeah, you'll probably need to remove a few things... |
| 19:52.31 | ruxpin | *sigh* |
| 19:52.48 | ruxpin | is there a doc about what directories are on rootf? |
| 19:53.13 | toggles_w | maemo.org has something |
| 19:53.37 | ruxpin | /usr/share probably |
| 19:53.44 | ruxpin | it's 78 MB |
| 19:54.27 | toggles_w | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem |
| 19:54.28 | ruxpin | maybe some locales I don't need? |
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| 19:59.52 | ruxpin | phew |
| 20:00.01 | ruxpin | ok, I managed somehow :) |
| 20:00.23 | ruxpin | need to be more careful from now on ;) |
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| 20:17.21 | lcuk | damn subtitles autotranslated from french to english and its almost as bad as the french original |
| 20:17.23 | Macer | awesome |
| 20:17.28 | Macer | mobilehotspot kicking ass |
| 20:17.33 | Macer | it still is a little flakey tho :) |
| 20:17.46 | Macer | like it doesn't know how to deal with an already connected 3G network but meh |
| 20:17.53 | Macer | fiddling with it long enough gets it connected |
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| 20:27.55 | kerio | Macer: not to mention the n900 is a *kickass* 3g modem |
| 20:28.21 | Macer | heh |
| 20:28.24 | Macer | a modem is a modem |
| 20:28.27 | BugBlue | powahhungry |
| 20:29.07 | dotblank | but I don't have to pay verzion the $50 for tethering |
| 20:29.28 | dotblank | even though the n900 doesn't work with verizon |
| 20:29.34 | Macer | haha |
| 20:29.44 | Macer | yeah. i was kind of shocked how many phones nokia have that are att only |
| 20:30.01 | kerio | Macer: nope |
| 20:30.05 | Macer | not to mention the fact when i asked them if they had any n9?s that weren't att |
| 20:30.08 | Macer | they kept trying to push me into going to att |
| 20:30.13 | kerio | hsupa 10/2 is *a lot* |
| 20:30.14 | dotblank | I thought 3g didn't work on at&t? |
| 20:30.19 | Macer | as though they get a kickback from att |
| 20:30.19 | dotblank | for the n900 |
| 20:30.24 | Macer | it doesn't |
| 20:30.32 | Macer | i was looking at n97s at the time |
| 20:30.35 | Macer | but wanted to NOT go to att |
| 20:30.36 | dotblank | ah |
| 20:30.40 | Macer | i HATE att |
| 20:30.41 | kerio | most 3g dongles only reach 7.2/.384 |
| 20:30.46 | dotblank | im on t-mobile right now |
| 20:30.47 | Macer | i mean it is an absolute disgust |
| 20:30.55 | Macer | me too |
| 20:30.58 | Macer | tethered wifi to my n900 |
| 20:30.59 | Macer | ok |
| 20:30.59 | Macer | bbl |
| 20:39.20 | Macer | alrighty then |
| 20:39.27 | kerio | i don't see it as tethering |
| 20:39.33 | kerio | more like connection sharing |
| 20:40.22 | luke-jr | telepathy-spirit = binary blob implementing Skype protocol |
| 20:40.24 | luke-jr | FWIW |
| 20:40.59 | luke-jr | kerio: N900 *includes* a 3G modem, but it isn't just a modem... |
| 20:41.17 | kerio | luke-jr: ok, let me rephrase that |
| 20:41.22 | kerio | the n900 includes a *kickass* 3g modem |
| 20:41.27 | luke-jr | dotblank: no T-Mobile in Nebraska :/ |
| 20:41.37 | luke-jr | kerio: too bad there's no 3G where I live |
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| 20:41.54 | luke-jr | anyhow, tethering is defined as "connection sharing" |
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| 20:48.58 | Macer | hm. found the tethering sweet spot where i am at |
| 20:49.05 | Macer | i was about to start putting mirrors around the damn thing |
| 20:49.14 | kerio | Macer: speed? |
| 20:49.22 | Macer | it would actually moreso timeout than anything |
| 20:49.40 | Macer | keeps switching between 3.5,3,2.5,2G |
| 20:49.52 | kerio | set it to "3g only" |
| 20:49.57 | kerio | and put it near a window |
| 20:50.09 | Macer | haha. that's ok. i am in a sweet spot now |
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| 20:50.13 | Macer | it's working great where it is |
| 20:50.33 | Macer | someone should make an antenna that you can run to the roof |
| 20:50.39 | Macer | then plug into the usb port :) |
| 20:50.51 | Macer | i wonder how far the wifi can go on the n900 |
| 20:51.36 | Macer | anyways. it is working good now. have it plugged in with the screen off |
| 20:51.47 | Macer | when i used to wifi tether on my G1 the phone would die even when plugged in |
| 20:52.00 | ruxpin | hmm, managed to get my rootfs down to 91% .. so, it is not usable to install build-essentials on this device .. cross-compiling all the way? :) |
| 20:52.14 | kerio | uninstall stuff |
| 20:52.50 | ruxpin | hm, well, this specific package I wanted to compile wanted me to pull some weird things with lots of deps .. |
| 20:53.01 | ruxpin | it got full with gtk-doc-tools .. |
| 20:53.08 | timeless_mbp | ruxpin: do you really want to go the gentoo way? |
| 20:53.14 | timeless_mbp | if so, *why*? |
| 20:53.18 | ruxpin | gentoo is cool :) |
| 20:53.37 | ruxpin | anyway, I just want geoclue on N900 |
| 20:53.45 | MohammadAG51 | ruxpin, install scratchbox, install ssh, get a static ip |
| 20:53.54 | MohammadAG51 | compiling on the go |
| 20:54.06 | ruxpin | good idea |
| 20:54.18 | MohammadAG51 | i know, cause i'm using that :P |
| 20:54.23 | ruxpin | I forgot that I already have the maemo dev scratchbox image :) |
| 20:54.38 | ruxpin | tried it a few months ago before getting the actual device |
| 20:54.58 | Macer | what is it about crackheads that they can't keep a license? |
| 20:55.03 | Macer | ok wrong # :) |
| 20:55.17 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
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| 20:57.19 | ColdFyre | are there any recent howto's on running debian/fc13 on the n900? |
| 20:59.08 | Macer | hm. i've got a pretty good connection but youtube keeps skipping :/ |
| 21:00.25 | Macer | guess i have to do the pause and play thing |
| 21:01.00 | dotblank | wow |
| 21:01.07 | dotblank | I played that breakout game clone |
| 21:01.15 | dotblank | runs really really well |
| 21:01.24 | dotblank | tecnoballz |
| 21:01.34 | kerio | ... |
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| 21:01.39 | kerio | how did they come up with *that* name? |
| 21:04.27 | dotblank | but yea this game is fun |
| 21:04.39 | dotblank | so much stuff going on the screen |
| 21:04.42 | dotblank | very intense |
| 21:05.39 | joga | I've found that some rpg like lufia II with drnoksnes is excellent entertainment with the n900, you can just put it to background when needed and it doesn't require speed :) |
| 21:06.18 | joga | (or awkwardness of the keyboard, like in super mario or such where you constantly have to press multiple keys etc) |
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| 21:07.49 | dotblank | arrow keys plus z and x work well |
| 21:07.54 | dotblank | but thats about it |
| 21:07.58 | Macer | amazing that th world is still infatuatted with break out |
| 21:08.09 | Macer | i was more concerned with games like quake3 :) |
| 21:08.16 | Macer | which runs very well on the n900 |
| 21:08.51 | Macer | it would be interesting to get a mouse+kb going and to hook it up to the tv |
| 21:08.59 | MohammadAG51 | breakout? where? |
| 21:09.03 | kerio | i thought they already did |
| 21:09.10 | Macer | kerio: yeah? |
| 21:09.18 | Macer | i know getting a bt keyboard to work on it totally sucks |
| 21:09.27 | Macer | and the bug is irrelevant if you file it :) |
| 21:09.30 | MohammadAG51 | disable touch screen, pair bt keyboard and mouse |
| 21:09.39 | MohammadAG51 | umm |
| 21:09.51 | MohammadAG51 | just make a package that would sed the configuration file |
| 21:09.57 | MohammadAG51 | if you cba to do it manually |
| 21:10.08 | Macer | MohammadAG51: i want maemo4 type bluetooth keyboard support :-P |
| 21:10.27 | MohammadAG51 | Macer, mind shedding a light on me? never had a maemo 4 device |
| 21:10.27 | dotblank | technoballz is awesome |
| 21:10.40 | dotblank | can't get past the first boss |
| 21:10.44 | MohammadAG51 | or a chinook one |
| 21:10.46 | Macer | in the configuration/settings app |
| 21:10.55 | Macer | you can add a bluetooth keyboard incredibly easily |
| 21:11.08 | MohammadAG51 | so bt support got downgraded |
| 21:11.09 | MohammadAG51 | ? |
| 21:11.16 | Macer | direct support yes |
| 21:11.18 | Macer | it regressed |
| 21:11.48 | Macer | to get a bt keyboard working in m5 you have to edit a config file |
| 21:11.51 | Macer | and add keymaps |
| 21:12.04 | Macer | all of which maemo4 didd without so much hassle |
| 21:12.17 | Macer | maemo4 even had my su8w listed :) |
| 21:12.19 | MohammadAG51 | o_o |
| 21:12.44 | Macer | on my n810 running maemo 4 all i had to do was go to settings.. and pick my bt keyboard that i paired up to it just as easily |
| 21:13.08 | Macer | but then again... i had cups too :) |
| 21:13.12 | Macer | where is PB |
| 21:13.15 | MohammadAG51 | omg |
| 21:13.21 | Macer | he would make good things :) |
| 21:13.51 | MohammadAG51 | pb? |
| 21:14.06 | Macer | penguinbait |
| 21:14.20 | Macer | he had a whole kde pkg for the n8x0 :) |
| 21:14.55 | MohammadAG51 | so, fremantle was a downgrade? |
| 21:15.09 | Macer | other than the gles.. yes :) |
| 21:15.15 | Macer | maemo4 had more functionality |
| 21:15.33 | Macer | well.. other than gles and the phone part |
| 21:16.02 | Macer | and i suppose the cam too ifyou're into that sort of thing |
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| 21:22.52 | ruxpin | "This APT has Super Cow Powers." << wtf?? :) |
| 21:23.02 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 21:23.04 | ruxpin | within scratchbox |
| 21:23.13 | luke-jr | I think all apts have super cow powers |
| 21:23.33 | ruxpin | oh yeah, same message on my N900 :))) |
| 21:24.18 | ruxpin | never noticed before but yes, same on my ARM debian :) |
| 21:24.21 | ruxpin | lol |
| 21:24.55 | MohammadAG51 | doesn't the iPhone do that too? |
| 21:25.11 | kerio | yeah |
| 21:25.20 | kerio | well, not the iphone 4 |
| 21:25.40 | ruxpin | iPhone has apt-get? |
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| 21:25.50 | kerio | if you jailbreak it |
| 21:26.07 | kerio | Cydia is a graphical apt frontend |
| 21:26.21 | ruxpin | nice |
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| 21:27.24 | lardman | evening chaps |
| 21:27.40 | MohammadAG51 | evening lardman |
| 21:27.48 | lardman | hey MohammadAG51 |
| 21:28.09 | kerio | ruxpin: telesphoreo is based on apt |
| 21:33.37 | Macer | i seriously think that tmob cuts off internet connections on purpose |
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| 21:33.56 | kerio | wires ftw |
| 21:34.01 | kerio | radio sucks |
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| 21:43.03 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, ping? |
| 21:43.10 | crashanddie | pong |
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| 21:47.03 | nadley_ | i have a problem I installed mymenu from extra-testing but now since I removed it my menu is broke :s |
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| 21:47.59 | MohammadAG | define "broke" |
| 21:49.29 | nadley_ | MohammadAG: some apps are missing my shorcut to app manager won't work |
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| 21:54.12 | nadley_ | MohammadAG: any idea ? |
| 21:54.34 | MohammadAG | remove hildon.menu, it should get regenerated, problem is idk where is it |
| 21:54.46 | MohammadAG | cd /usr/share && find -name hildon.menu |
| 21:58.14 | nadley_ | MohammadAG: I find anything |
| 21:59.58 | nadley_ | but I find it in my home |
| 22:00.50 | MohammadAG | not sure where it's stored, I just know it was needed by ApMefo or sth |
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| 22:01.58 | nadley_ | yes I delete it it regenerate the menu but I have no shortcut to appmanager |
| 22:02.13 | Macer | i sure wish the stand on this thing did the double click thing |
| 22:02.18 | MohammadAG | as root in terminal apt-get --reinstall install hildon-application-manager |
| 22:06.13 | Nadley | ok |
| 22:06.38 | kerio | is there a way to edit the menu with an interface that doesn't suck? |
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| 22:07.33 | crashanddie | Does "Working at Nokia" qualify as being an interface? |
| 22:08.11 | MohammadAG | rofl |
| 22:08.36 | Nadley | MohammadAG : I did it but nothing new :s |
| 22:08.38 | MohammadAG | kerio, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56844 |
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| 22:10.41 | crashanddie | Jaffa: ping |
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| 22:12.16 | Jaffa | crashanddie: pong |
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| 22:14.27 | GAN900 | Goodness EDGE is slow |
| 22:14.40 | SpeedEvil | Not as slow as GPRS |
| 22:15.21 | GAN900 | After I upgraded to 3G, I swore I would never use EDGE again |
| 22:15.27 | GAN900 | Then Nokia screwed me over. |
| 22:15.34 | Macer | haha |
| 22:15.41 | Macer | no tmobile? |
| 22:15.44 | kerio | 3G is an update? oh boy |
| 22:15.53 | Macer | it is kind of odd they chose the tmob for the n900 |
| 22:15.55 | Macer | wonder why |
| 22:16.07 | Macer | i guess because of the G1 success? |
| 22:16.52 | GAN900 | Macer, supposedly they were gonna have a subsidy |
| 22:17.05 | GAN900 | But that, apparently, never panned out |
| 22:17.19 | GAN900 | So they just screwed the majority of their US customers. |
| 22:17.37 | GAN900 | Macer, and, no, I'm on a family plan with 3 iPhones. . . . |
| 22:19.04 | Macer | i doubt the majority |
| 22:19.05 | Macer | :) |
| 22:19.33 | Nadley | broke his hildon.menu now the apps menu is dead :d |
| 22:19.34 | Macer | there are still n9x for att |
| 22:19.46 | Macer | still a pretty good phone |
| 22:19.46 | Macer | i just so happened to be with tmob |
| 22:19.47 | Macer | i hate the fact that all they think about is att |
| 22:19.57 | Macer | when att is so damn disgusting |
| 22:20.34 | Macer | get your amily all n900s and swap so tey don't turn into apple monkeys |
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| 22:22.46 | GAN900 | Majority of US GSM users are on AT&T |
| 22:22.52 | GAN900 | VAST majority |
| 22:23.25 | Macer | and the vast majority of att customers have iphones and wouldn't even know what an n900 was if you told them |
| 22:23.35 | Macer | sorry but that's the sad fact :)... n900s are niche |
| 22:23.45 | Macer | and maybe 1% of that market would use a phone that doesn't go into portrait mode |
| 22:23.53 | Macer | and costs the same as a new iphone |
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| 22:24.44 | Macer | because devs are working on making a small computer and avoiding the fact that an n900 is now a phone and should act as one |
| 22:24.47 | Macer | it's not some internet tablet toy that only 10000 people bought :) |
| 22:25.22 | asj | t-mobile is 30.8mil, att is 71.3m sprint is 51.9m and verizon 67.2m |
| 22:25.24 | Macer | it is a phone that only 1000 people bought because they were too busy debating over not adding features because they wanted to stay true to an internet tablet instead of realizing it isn't anymore but a phone with a ton of potential |
| 22:25.43 | Macer | lost potential as it seems :) |
| 22:25.59 | Macer | i mean don't get me wrong.. i love my n900 but i can't see the cattle using it and understanding what it can really do |
| 22:26.17 | asj | (I don't understand how sprint has so many customers) |
| 22:26.24 | Macer | 4G ;) |
| 22:26.46 | Macer | and i'm sure those statistics cound prepay phones which it shouldn't |
| 22:26.51 | Macer | count |
| 22:28.13 | Macer | that is roughly 190million ... there are 250million adults capable of buying phones and roughly 200million underage children. if you are counting customers then they would all have to be adults.. there is no way that high of a percentage have cell phones |
| 22:28.32 | GAN900 | asj, Nextel |
| 22:28.43 | asj | Macer: 2 phones, work/home |
| 22:28.54 | GAN900 | Macer, the vast majority of AT&T customers own featurephones. |
| 22:29.05 | asj | Macer: US population is 300mil, not 450 |
| 22:29.15 | Nadley | need to reflash :s |
| 22:29.30 | Ken-Young | asj He's counting illegals too. |
| 22:29.49 | asj | Ken-Young: then he's watching too much Fox |
| 22:30.01 | Ken-Young | asj Well put! |
| 22:30.23 | crashanddie | GAN900: get back on your desktop |
| 22:30.28 | Macer | ok so 122 million adults |
| 22:30.32 | Macer | that can be "customers" |
| 22:30.34 | Macer | :) |
| 22:31.42 | Macer | what is it.. about 65% over 18? |
| 22:31.44 | SpeedEvil | Won't somebody think of the children! |
| 22:31.52 | asj | Macer: this can only increase though, in our household we have 5 sims |
| 22:31.59 | SpeedEvil | When was the last time you saw a 5yo without a phone. |
| 22:32.00 | Macer | children can't sign contracts |
| 22:32.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:32.05 | asj | and there's only 2 of us, imagin if we had kids :) |
| 22:32.15 | Macer | haha |
| 22:32.16 | SpeedEvil | has maybe ... 8? |
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| 22:32.25 | SpeedEvil | (SIMs, not kids) |
| 22:32.36 | Macer | SpeedEvil: you scared me when you said maybe :) |
| 22:32.37 | SpeedEvil | I think most have expired by now |
| 22:32.43 | asj | SpeedEvil: this is active |
| 22:33.03 | Nadley | good night guys |
| 22:33.06 | Macer | they have to be counting prepay phones |
| 22:33.07 | Nadley | see you |
| 22:33.09 | SpeedEvil | Only I think 3 active |
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| 22:33.13 | Macer | especially with today's unemployment rates :) |
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| 22:33.25 | Macer | either that or they are counting accounts in default as well.. those numbers are way too high |
| 22:33.37 | Macer | don't tell the shareholders |
| 22:33.48 | asj | Macer: if you're unemployed the cell is probably the last thing you'll get rid of (though going prepaid might be smart, ok it would be smart for a lot of people) |
| 22:33.54 | Macer | i'm sure they find all types of ways to bloat their numbers |
| 22:34.13 | Macer | asj: i pay like 65/month for my n900 ;) |
| 22:34.23 | Macer | the same phone with att would be like 110 |
| 22:34.23 | SpeedEvil | pays 3. |
| 22:34.26 | Macer | heh |
| 22:34.26 | SpeedEvil | is cheap. |
| 22:34.38 | ShadowJK | pays about 12 |
| 22:34.51 | Macer | i remember when i had my n95 and they said it would be an additioal $50 to tether.. they were nuts |
| 22:35.06 | Macer | then they told me their shit network wasn't the reason my $600 n95 was dropping the internet connection |
| 22:35.15 | asj | when we were in the US I always used prepaid, it was $15-30/mo. Most it was data, very little voice |
| 22:35.16 | Macer | so i put my sim in their shitty razr |
| 22:35.20 | Macer | same problems everywhere in chicago |
| 22:35.55 | Macer | tmobiel just seems to work :) unless i have a really bad signal.. but that is kind of rare except where i was earlier |
| 22:36.14 | Macer | it is cheaper too.. and i'm not under contract anymore so i can threaten cancellation |
| 22:36.58 | Macer | ah well.. anyways. i have to go ahead and figure out what else needs to be done to this artigo. at one point i was going to use my n810 as a server but i couldn't find it |
| 22:37.02 | Macer | that would be low powered :) |
| 22:39.22 | SpeedEvil | Lo |
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| 22:44.34 | GAN900 | crashanddie, but it's all the way upstairs. :( |
| 22:45.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.livestrong.com/recipes/flapjacks-16/ |
| 22:45.51 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 22:49.19 | MohammadAG51 | makes a clipboard clearer daemon for SpeedEvil |
| 22:53.33 | lardman | night chaps |
| 22:55.18 | SpeedEvil | night |
| 22:58.52 | crashanddie | lardman|gone: night lardy |
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| 23:16.20 | raster | boo |
| 23:17.29 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 23:31.32 | orangey | hello all! |
| 23:31.43 | orangey | boo to the topic : ) |
| 23:32.05 | orangey | though i must admit it's sooo beautiful the way they play |
| 23:32.18 | orangey | I have a question |
| 23:32.21 | orangey | I have "2.5g" on my n900 |
| 23:32.40 | orangey | via an EDGE network in Canada |
| 23:32.46 | FauxFaux | THE EDGE |
| 23:33.04 | orangey | (Rogers) |
| 23:33.04 | orangey | I'm trying to use VOIP through it, but am not really having success |
| 23:33.04 | orangey | am I wasting my time here, or is this a question of optimization? |
| 23:33.05 | orangey | i.e., picking codecs, etc. |
| 23:33.48 | orangey | ? |
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| 23:44.12 | orangey1 | aaand back : ) |
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| 23:44.29 | orangey1 | so, any thoughts on SIP via EDGE? |
| 23:45.27 | pupnik | what is your throughput up/down orangey1 |
| 23:45.42 | orangey1 | you mean via speedtest.net? |
| 23:45.51 | pupnik | whatever you can do for a speed test |
| 23:46.06 | orangey | about 300 / 100 |
| 23:46.06 | pupnik | that should give you a set of usable codecs |
| 23:46.47 | orangey | kilobits, that is |
| 23:47.16 | orangey | but, for example, I see that g729 claims it's <10kb/s |
| 23:47.20 | pupnik | so you want a codec that can do 10kB/s effective |
| 23:47.27 | orangey | ok |
| 23:47.42 | orangey | is g729 kilo*bit* or byte? |
| 23:47.45 | orangey | I thought it was 10 kilobit |
| 23:47.50 | pupnik | wow |
| 23:48.25 | orangey | yeah. 8 kilobits per second is what it says when I'm looking |
| 23:48.33 | pupnik | good luck. worked for me with some help on the provider side |
| 23:48.34 | orangey | I'm actually not sure how to even know which codec is being used for a call |
| 23:48.38 | orangey | oh yeah? |
| 23:48.48 | orangey | with edge speeds? |
| 23:48.51 | pupnik | i don't know what codec was used |
| 23:48.54 | pupnik | never tried |
| 23:49.01 | orangey | what's your setup? |
| 23:49.14 | pupnik | it's gone unfortunately |
| 23:49.16 | asj | I've done sip over edge and the main problem was latency, it's >300ms, and very audible |
| 23:49.38 | orangey | asj: Latency is a surmountable problem for me |
| 23:49.52 | orangey | the main issue is that I hear almost nothing of the other person (very choppy) and they hear absolutely nothing of me |
| 23:50.31 | asj | orangey: ok, and jitter is through the roof too |
| 23:50.41 | asj | there's only so much you can do |
| 23:50.43 | orangey | what is jitter? |
| 23:50.54 | orangey | is that the robotic quality? |
| 23:51.40 | orangey | asj: what's your setup? |
| 23:51.50 | asj | orangey: jitter is change in latency so if one packet takes 500ms and the next takes 750ms you have 250ms of jitter |
| 23:51.56 | MohammadAG | quite enjoyable :P http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/03/mystery-nokia-slider-shows-off-proto-symbian-3-one-last-time-co |
| 23:52.02 | asj | orangey: I don't have a setup that works over edge, it's not useable |
| 23:52.24 | orangey | asj: ah |
| 23:52.42 | orangey | asj: in that case, what have you tried? Have you played with codecs? |
| 23:52.48 | orangey | asj: also, what cell provider? |
| 23:53.11 | asj | orangey: yes I played with codecs, it was att |
| 23:55.07 | orangey | asj: *sigh* |
| 23:55.29 | asj | works ok over 3g ;) |
| 23:55.30 | orangey | the most frustrating part is actually that my provider has sublime 3g speeds on different bands |
| 23:55.40 | orangey | asj: you switched providers? |
| 23:55.51 | asj | and countries |
| 23:55.54 | orangey | i'm contemplating either getting another phone to tether |
| 23:55.59 | orangey | asj: where are you now |
| 23:56.04 | orangey | or getting a motorola droid 2 |
| 23:56.16 | orangey | which appears the same phone save for android |
| 23:57.10 | orangey | aha! |
| 23:57.17 | orangey | it appears that my provider doesn't give g729 |
| 23:57.38 | asj | then switch phones, <shrug> |
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| 23:58.05 | Venemo | hi guys! |
| 23:58.23 | orangey | asj: you think a cheap tether phone would be too much hassle? |
| 23:58.43 | asj | too much of a pain for me |
| 23:59.27 | Venemo | does anyone know why the behaviour of the keyboard changed in PR 1.2 when I remap some Fn key combinations? |
| 23:59.31 | orangey | hmm. time to see if this works well with 729 |
| 23:59.36 | orangey | brb |
| 23:59.45 | orangey | (I'm using a different voip provider to test 729) |