| 00:00.42 | Venemo | good evening, everyone |
| 00:00.47 | Venemo | I'm going to sleep now |
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| 00:01.42 | shorter | wasn't expecting that... twas the router |
| 00:01.53 | shorter | neighbor's connection works for outbound [-_o] |
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| 00:15.11 | crashanddie | so my first question "does it work the same on wifi and 3g" would have solved your problem right away. |
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| 00:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | >>⢠Programmable digital audio effects processing for playback (3-D, bass, treble, midrange, EQ, de-emphasis)<< from http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320aic34.pdf |
| 00:17.42 | ShadowJK | "Programmable" |
| 00:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | this is a hardware property of N900 audio codec chip - I wonder why nobody created a decent equalizer for N900 yet |
| 00:18.00 | ShadowJK | I wonder if there's a catch :-) |
| 00:18.07 | ShadowJK | Like with video codecs on dsp |
| 00:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | ticket? |
| 00:18.28 | ShadowJK | eh? |
| 00:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | or just nag Nokians the 'short way'? |
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| 00:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | first of all I guess we should find out about which of the audio driver things are OS, and why is responsible author |
| 00:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | amixer doesn't have any link to any form of bass/treble or whatever EQ |
| 00:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I just wonder where to start the bitching ;-D |
| 00:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | as I *hate* tmo |
| 00:21.28 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:21.46 | ShadowJK | I'm just skeptical about TI's promises :-) |
| 00:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | lemme scrutinize the ds a lil bit longer |
| 00:22.28 | ShadowJK | Like take the DSP for example. It's not really possible to create new video codecs on it |
| 00:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | ttyl, ~10min |
| 00:22.55 | ShadowJK | Because the actual building blocks for video codecs are undocumented :-) |
| 00:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, as the DSP isn't really well documented, or what are you thinking of? |
| 00:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 00:24.24 | ShadowJK | Consider VP8, ffmpeg needed only 1400 lines of code to implement it (I heard it was 100k lines in vp8 reference implementation?), thanks to every codec sharing basic building blocks which ffmpeg already had |
| 00:25.02 | Robot101 | ShadowJK: http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ |
| 00:25.17 | ShadowJK | Even though the step from h264 to vp8 is a small one, it'd be like a total rewrite for the dsp.. |
| 00:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what's your point? (and what's VP8?) |
| 00:25.30 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh, google's new "patent free" video codec |
| 00:25.43 | Robot101 | ShadowJK: although it doesn't use a lot of the building blocks... :/ |
| 00:25.50 | ShadowJK | Robot101, well they can't :-) |
| 00:25.56 | Robot101 | it's not patent free, it's a zero-fee zero-revenue patent pool |
| 00:26.02 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, point is TI says you can do 720p video, in practice you can't :P |
| 00:26.14 | Robot101 | as in, you have to check your video codec IP revenue at the door to use VP8 |
| 00:26.21 | Robot101 | that's not the same as patent free :) |
| 00:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok, but that isn't an axiom for aic34 |
| 00:26.33 | Robot101 | as the MPEG-LA and Apple are keen to point out :) |
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| 00:27.08 | ShadowJK | Robot101, I'm sure mpeg-la would want to argue that vp8 is mostly a modified h264 anyway |
| 00:27.28 | ShadowJK | And aren't they gathering a patent pool for vp8 already? :) |
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| 00:27.59 | Robot101 | yup, and I look forward to Google seeing them in court |
| 00:28.00 | ShadowJK | It happened to VC-1, didn't it? And VC-1 is much bigger deviation from h264 than the 1400 line vp8 ;p |
| 00:28.19 | Robot101 | yeah but Google aren't trying to extract any video patent IP revenue |
| 00:28.25 | Robot101 | they are trying to make it 0 cost |
| 00:28.30 | Robot101 | microsoft was |
| 00:28.36 | Robot101 | (trying to license VC-1) |
| 00:28.59 | Robot101 | its like selling a house with somebody who's living in it, you get two ppl inside who are really confused and angry |
| 00:29.06 | Robot101 | google just want to demolish the house |
| 00:29.07 | Robot101 | :) |
| 00:29.32 | Robot101 | but, they have acquired video codec IP with On2 |
| 00:29.35 | Robot101 | so they have counter-claims |
| 00:29.43 | Robot101 | so it'll be fun |
| 00:29.45 | Robot101 | stand *well* back |
| 00:29.58 | Robot101 | :) |
| 00:30.18 | skynets | is there a way to autofocus the camera while taking a video |
| 00:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | page 38: |
| 00:30.30 | skynets | is there an auto focus app |
| 00:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | >> |
| 00:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | DIGITAL AUDIO PROCESSING FOR PLAYBACK |
| 00:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | The DAC channel consists of optional filters for de-emphasis and bass, treble, midrange level adjustment, |
| 00:30.36 | skynets | for the video camera |
| 00:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | speaker equalization, and 3-D effects processing. The de-emphasis function is implemented by a programmable |
| 00:30.38 | ShadowJK | Not that I know of, there's a manual focus app though |
| 00:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | digital filter block with fully programmable coefficients (see page 1, registers 21â26 for left channel, page 1, |
| 00:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | << |
| 00:30.52 | skynets | huh? |
| 00:31.11 | ShadowJK | It makes the volume buttons focus instead of zoom |
| 00:31.12 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 00:31.21 | ShadowJK | the UI was dreadful and unpredictable, I hated it |
| 00:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but it kinda worked |
| 00:32.08 | ShadowJK | But I guess it's pretty damn impossible to make a tolerable UI ontop of another program |
| 00:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | also enables video light |
| 00:32.29 | ShadowJK | and can disable privacy light |
| 00:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | that's the issue, at least with camera-UI |
| 00:33.15 | ShadowJK | I don't know if there's anything preventing a camera-ui replacement from sending autofocus request to v4l.. |
| 00:33.25 | ShadowJK | that's be cool |
| 00:33.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure the v4l layer does that. |
| 00:34.14 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 00:34.16 | SpeedEvil | wonders |
| 00:34.44 | ShadowJK | I assumed it did, since I was under the impression that the hw could do autofocus |
| 00:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | The coefficients for this filter implement a variety of sound effects, with bass boost or treble boost being the most |
| 00:34.52 | ShadowJK | so you wouldn't have to do it in software |
| 00:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | commonly used in portable audio applications. The default N and D coefficients in the part are given in Table 5 |
| 00:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | and implement a shelving filter with 0-dB gain from dc to approximately 150 Hz, at which point it rolls off to a |
| 00:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | 3-dB attenuation for higher-frequency signals, thus giving a 3-dB boost to signals below 150 Hz. The N and D |
| 00:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | coefficients are represented by 16-bit, 2s-complement numbers with values ranging from â32,768 to 32,767. |
| 00:35.18 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I'm not sure what part in the chain autofocus is pulled out. It could be several places. |
| 00:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | so if anybody feels temped to have a closer look into that - it's on page38 of above linked document |
| 00:35.48 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: as I understand it, the camera can't - it's too dumb. The image processor block - IVA? I forget the name - in the SoC can do it. |
| 00:36.05 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: But I don't know if it is smart enough to directly control the autofocus over I2C |
| 00:36.28 | ShadowJK | Well elements of IVA would be useful for determining the sharpness of the image atleast |
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| 00:37.08 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Or if it requires something on the kernel side to read current sharpness - or sharpness over an area - and poke the focus |
| 00:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'd guess last one |
| 00:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | as you would want to define AF hotspot etc |
| 00:38.06 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, the kernel people will murder you if you suggest calculating brightness inside the kernel :) |
| 00:38.06 | SpeedEvil | Or it could be just camera-ui looks at the image, and frobs the focus directly |
| 00:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | and also Focus is a DAC driven over I2C |
| 00:38.30 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Indeed - and sometimes the kernel people need to be poked with a sharp stick. |
| 00:38.37 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - the ad* part |
| 00:38.49 | ShadowJK | nah, heavy calculations don't belong in kernel |
| 00:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, the 250mA ADC |
| 00:39.04 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I wasn't meaning sharpness |
| 00:39.49 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: however - there's an argument for the kernel driver for the IVA bit knowing how to poke the sharpness into the focus control automagicall |
| 00:39.51 | SpeedEvil | y |
| 00:39.58 | SpeedEvil | as that is latency critical for optimal focus. |
| 00:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | I bet there's building blocks in SoC cam interface/buffer hardware, but you need a driver to set registers to define focus window, read out result and send to ADC, etc |
| 00:40.09 | SpeedEvil | And you really actually do care about 10ms latency in that case. |
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| 00:40.43 | ShadowJK | It'd also make the kernel a client of dspbridge for accessing iva.. |
| 00:40.56 | ShadowJK | I bet it'd be quite messy :-) |
| 00:41.25 | SpeedEvil | yeah. In practice, accepting the slower focus may be the easier way |
| 00:41.50 | ShadowJK | You're limited by framerate anyway.. |
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| 00:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | see, we already got a blob for video/still pict processing, as e.g. the frontcam needed quite some love from this driver to put it into semi-usable state |
| 00:42.49 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: sure. |
| 00:43.02 | SpeedEvil | It's not that. |
| 00:43.24 | SpeedEvil | The SNR spec for the frontcam was _NOWHERE_ near close to being met with the previous firmware |
| 00:43.31 | SpeedEvil | So something was wrong in setup |
| 00:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet this driver has knowledhe how to talk to some probably small DSP inside vam interface of SoC, to get such info like white bal, focus, brightness etc |
| 00:43.43 | ShadowJK | I wasn't talking about the front cam at any point whatsoever :-) |
| 00:43.54 | SpeedEvil | The front cam and the back cam are identical processing |
| 00:44.00 | SpeedEvil | they're even hooked to the same bus |
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| 00:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: for that topic there's no diff tween front & main cam |
| 00:44.23 | shorter | sorry |
| 00:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | they go over a muxer |
| 00:44.48 | SpeedEvil | The blob AIUI is a seperate DSP blocks program. |
| 00:45.01 | GAN900 | The iPhone's display is really unbelievable. |
| 00:45.04 | SpeedEvil | Which sets up stuff like pincushion and vignetting correction, as well as timing |
| 00:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | no idea about it. Anyway I bet we got better cards than that, for audio EQ |
| 00:45.24 | GAN900 | I really need one in the N9 |
| 00:45.51 | ShadowJK | GAN900, the new one? |
| 00:46.05 | ShadowJK | hm wait, you want capacitive now? ;p |
| 00:46.07 | SpeedEvil | n9? |
| 00:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | what can be so unbelievable? |
| 00:46.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders a n900 with a .35" screen, and 3 keys. |
| 00:47.28 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, nah, just 960x640 IPS |
| 00:47.40 | SpeedEvil | (I do actually want a keyfob linux box) |
| 00:47.44 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, 320 someodd ppi and IPS |
| 00:48.21 | ShadowJK | GAN900, hey if the choice was between the current 3.5" 800x480, 3.5" 960x640 and say 5" 800x480, what would you pick? :-) |
| 00:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: hmm |
| 00:48.43 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, 3.5" |
| 00:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | 5" obviously |
| 00:48.47 | konfoo | 5" 800x480, ofcourse |
| 00:48.54 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, my answer is almost always PPI |
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| 00:49.08 | konfoo | illegible ppi |
| 00:49.15 | ShadowJK | I never thought I'd see it, but N900 PPI is at the limit of my seeing :-) |
| 00:49.23 | _Elbachaco | spake spanish? |
| 00:49.34 | _Elbachaco | Be kept silent stupids go to the shit foreign homosexuals take his mothers |
| 00:49.35 | konfoo | no comprendo |
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| 00:49.53 | GAN900 | konfoo, yeah . . . resolution independence :rolleyes: |
| 00:50.06 | konfoo | gan900: haha yes the holy grail eh |
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| 00:50.13 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, iPhone 4 manages to actually be that for me |
| 00:50.13 | _Elbachaco | [konfoo] eres latino? |
| 00:50.15 | lcuk | is the iphone res full complete res or like android oled with half res gb? |
| 00:50.20 | GAN900 | konfoo, I read a lot of ebooks. |
| 00:50.25 | GAN900 | lcuk, IPS |
| 00:50.28 | GAN900 | Complete |
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| 00:50.36 | lcuk | nice |
| 00:50.37 | konfoo | gan900: so do i, but not on a mobile phone.. |
| 00:50.38 | ShadowJK | It's very rare that I see actual pixels on N900.. on N8x0 they were clearly visible for me though |
| 00:50.46 | ShadowJK | Maybe I need to get glasses now :/ |
| 00:50.48 | lcuk | GAN900, i made a slight breakthrough |
| 00:50.51 | _Elbachaco | You speak Spanish |
| 00:50.52 | GAN900 | konfoo, I've read dozens of books on my N900 |
| 00:51.05 | GAN900 | Hundreds between my 770 and N80p |
| 00:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | _Elbachaco: nope, this is an English channel |
| 00:51.10 | lcuk | GAN900, http://liqbase.net/20100626_005.mp4 |
| 00:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Me too GAN900. |
| 00:51.19 | SpeedEvil | hugs RST38h. |
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| 00:51.21 | lcuk | damn |
| 00:51.28 | lcuk | GAN900, http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 even |
| 00:51.28 | _Elbachaco | Be kept silent stupids go to the shit foreign homosexuals take his mothers |
| 00:51.28 | GAN900 | <3 FBReader |
| 00:51.38 | ShadowJK | hm, is N900 screen IPS or what |
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| 00:51.46 | konfoo | elbachaco: yo quiero? |
| 00:51.47 | GAN900 | and, thanks, RST38h for stepping up and making it usable. :) |
| 00:52.00 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, dunno |
| 00:52.11 | _Elbachaco | [killefiz] |
| 00:52.17 | _Elbachaco | [killefiz] |
| 00:52.19 | konfoo | rolls eyes |
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| 00:52.34 | ShadowJK | "IPS has since been superseded by S-IPS (Super-IPS, Hitachi Ltd. in 1998)" |
| 00:52.35 | SpeedEvil | A kinetic book reader would look much cooler. |
| 00:52.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure it would actually be better though |
| 00:52.49 | konfoo | killefiz, is that some newfangled script that's supposed to own us all |
| 00:52.53 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, see that vid i just pasted :P |
| 00:53.09 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I can't watch video ATM. |
| 00:53.20 | lcuk | :D |
| 00:53.35 | SpeedEvil | is making flapjacks. |
| 00:53.55 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, yeah, nobody actually uses IPS anymore |
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| 00:54.08 | GAN900 | So generally "IPS" means "S-IPS" |
| 00:54.42 | lcuk | api? s-ips? |
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| 01:06.49 | Izzeh | is there youtube tabs on TMO? |
| 01:06.52 | Izzeh | tags* |
| 01:07.10 | SpeedEvil | tags? |
| 01:07.33 | Izzeh | as in <youtube>link</youtube> to make youtube vid in post |
| 01:07.37 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:07.59 | SpeedEvil | ponders moving all of TMO over to youtube comment systems. |
| 01:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: page38, and page90,91,92 - seems it's time for I2Ctools once again. Anybody good in mathematical definition of filters? |
| 01:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there seems to be no catch so far |
| 01:10.37 | ShadowJK | nice |
| 01:10.40 | SpeedEvil | of what? |
| 01:10.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer |
| 01:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | except of course if Nokia decided just another time to occupy user resources for system purposes, leaving the user with the need to implement a replacement |
| 01:11.31 | ShadowJK | if I could immediately say what these mathematical definitions of filters were I'd try to make a bass-reduce one :) |
| 01:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: EQ in aic34 audio codec |
| 01:11.40 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:12.11 | SpeedEvil | What is it - a FIR filter? |
| 01:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | we got a pretty usable set of freely programmable filters there |
| 01:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | err, yes AIUI |
| 01:12.31 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 01:12.46 | SpeedEvil | So there is absolutely no point in the expensive battery consuming filter in the speaker line? |
| 01:13.10 | SpeedEvil | sighs at sw people with no hw clue. |
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| 01:16.04 | ShadowJK | and the generic compress filter or whatever "Music enhancement" is |
| 01:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: tell that to Nokia, so they might understand they miss an opportunity by not sending a dozen headhunters after me |
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| 01:17.48 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: It makes everything sound like WHAM. |
| 01:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | It's the task where I perform best - telling sw guys about hw properties and how to put them to purpose |
| 01:18.01 | mortini | Wake me up, before you go go? |
| 01:18.12 | Mace_N900 | haha |
| 01:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | wake me up before I get hungry |
| 01:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 01:19.08 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing they just have list of specs to make |
| 01:19.08 | mortini | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/licensing/instaloadoverview.mspx <- a bit ridiculus now that i see it. |
| 01:19.25 | ShadowJK | and get shot down if someone even suggests making an extra feature |
| 01:19.33 | ShadowJK | be it any kind of equalizer |
| 01:19.38 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah |
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| 01:19.55 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 'how cheaply can we implement this list of features' |
| 01:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, and those lists probably done by the dudes with no clue about either particular hw nor decent sw architecture |
| 01:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "yeah - >>our next device needs an OLED<<" |
| 01:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 01:21.11 | SpeedEvil | I saw OLED lighting panels for sale. |
| 01:21.55 | SpeedEvil | 20lm/W though - and stupidly expensive - and 10000 hours to 50% brightness |
| 01:22.27 | ShadowJK | why would you use oled lighting panels... |
| 01:22.34 | ShadowJK | that seems... silly |
| 01:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | when I asked, there was no clue about whether this OLED is an idicator LED, an array (which size) to display enriched info during suspend, a OLED screen, or whatever. BUT it MUST BE OLED |
| 01:23.30 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: In principle, it's not a stupid idea - it has benefits over LED - it's an inherently flat diffused panel |
| 01:23.59 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: But extremely expensive ATM. And stupid life. |
| 01:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but you *should* have an idea about what it will become in the end, at least a fuzzy little idea of it. Just saying "we need OLED (that looks nice as a buzzword on product spec)" - that's utterly stupid alas I've seen exactly that in a company we both know |
| 01:26.15 | ShadowJK | I'm not sure diffused is an inherent property :) |
| 01:26.29 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: It is. |
| 01:26.37 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Well - for lighting OLEDs. |
| 01:26.54 | ShadowJK | has an mp3 player with oled display, appart from the brightness and contrast it looks about the same as normal LCD/TFT, with big black borders around each pixel :-) |
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| 01:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | is away. If someone wants to mess around with filter coefficients N0..N5,D0..D5 then ping me |
| 01:28.42 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: In that the individual OLED elements emit evenly over the area they are in. You can't make a 1m*1m 1 'pixel' conventional LED. |
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| 01:28.55 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 01:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320aic34.pdf page 38, page 90..92 |
| 01:29.21 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: For conventional LEDs, you need lots of LEDs, and it's a compromise between optical complexity, thickness, and number of LEDs. |
| 01:29.41 | ShadowJK | or one powerled.. |
| 01:30.16 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Sure. |
| 01:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: with diffusor |
| 01:30.42 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: now show me an optical design that illuminates a 1m*1m panel evenly from a point light source and is 1cm thick. |
| 01:30.58 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:31.12 | SpeedEvil | It's easy if you can accept a 4m thick panel. :) |
| 01:31.24 | ShadowJK | SOrry, I thought the objective was to get light :) |
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| 01:32.47 | SpeedEvil | wishes he had a nice lab. |
| 01:32.55 | SpeedEvil | I want to try to make a 3D virtual sky. |
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| 01:40.00 | shorter | is it still necessary to run gpsjinni along other apps (like maps) to improve satellite reception? |
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| 01:43.09 | SpeedEvil | souldn't be |
| 01:43.12 | ShadowJK | Allegedly not, but I haven't tried it |
| 01:43.44 | ShadowJK | Actually I haven't started maps at all after installing 1.2 :/ |
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| 01:45.24 | Termana | yello |
| 01:46.31 | shorter | well I'm using gps without 3g for a few more days |
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| 01:49.37 | Jef91 | howdy, I see the image download link of meego for the n900 - anyone know if you can dual boot it with maemo? |
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| 01:53.16 | MohammadAG51 | Jef91, if you're not a developer i really can't see why you need to install it |
| 01:53.22 | MohammadAG51 | and please, #meego :) |
| 01:53.56 | Jef91 | oh good point, I wanna try that |
| 01:54.05 | MohammadAG51 | :D |
| 01:56.03 | Jef91 | I just want to play with it |
| 01:56.16 | Jef91 | and if I can do it without wiping out maemo I'd do it |
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| 01:56.35 | shorter | yeah, me too |
| 01:57.51 | MohammadAG51 | Jef91, the way i hear it, the image is 500MB+, so don't expect it to be on the ubifs partition |
| 01:58.38 | Jef91 | ubifs? |
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| 01:59.53 | ShadowJK | When I was without internet connectivity I used to run gpsjinni alot so that I had a fix ready for when I used the camera or navigation |
| 02:01.18 | shorter | ShadowJK, does the reason for doing that still stand if one is without service? |
| 02:01.36 | shorter | oh, you meana you kept gpsjinni running all of the time just in case |
| 02:01.43 | shorter | that's smart |
| 02:01.45 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 02:02.13 | ShadowJK | Normally I have xchat running all the time, online on IRC. battery would last about a day |
| 02:02.30 | ShadowJK | when offline the gpsjinni power consumption was only slightly higher.. so it worked out for me |
| 02:02.30 | shorter | what do you think of pidgin vs that? |
| 02:02.37 | shorter | or can't the maemo pidgin run irc |
| 02:02.50 | ShadowJK | dunno |
| 02:02.58 | shorter | how can you see battery consumption for just one app? |
| 02:03.09 | ShadowJK | You can't |
| 02:03.35 | ShadowJK | You add or remove apps and compare |
| 02:03.36 | shorter | okay, that's what I thought |
| 02:03.54 | shorter | how do you manage battery consumption in general then? |
| 02:04.07 | shorter | from my subjective evidence, installing apps takes way more battery than anything else |
| 02:06.13 | ShadowJK | Power consumption during downloading over 3g can be somewhere around 600-1000mA, during installation this drops to 300-500mA. So in total you can spend, I guess, 2 hours looking at the progress bars. |
| 02:06.18 | ShadowJK | (before battery runs out) |
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| 03:14.12 | mva | hi there! |
| 03:16.43 | mva | i'm testing voice calls via jabber, and it working, since 1.2, but opponents doesn't hear me (but if i calling echo bot (asterisk and telepathy) â it hears me). |
| 03:17.19 | mva | anybody have any ideas, how it can be? :) |
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| 03:21.17 | LiraNuna | any Qt devs here? |
| 03:22.23 | ManoftheSea | opponents? |
| 03:23.03 | LiraNuna | ManoftheSea, not everyone are native english speaker, I doubt you're having trouble understanding what he says |
| 03:25.16 | luke-jr | mva: maybe I'm just deaf |
| 03:25.19 | luke-jr | or had the volume too low |
| 03:25.21 | luke-jr | :) |
| 03:26.02 | mva | no-no |
| 03:26.12 | mva | majik doesn't hear me too |
| 03:26.27 | mva | ManoftheSea, for example, luke-jr ;) |
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| 03:28.42 | luke-jr | ManoftheSea: it's not a game without opponents! |
| 03:31.12 | rodald | hi, does anyone knows if its posible to eliminate the interference caused by the internet connection on the n900? |
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| 03:37.06 | luke-jr | rodald: there is no interference :) |
| 03:37.53 | rodald | how comes mine does cause interference? |
| 03:38.03 | luke-jr | it couldn't, or FCC wouldn't approve |
| 03:38.50 | rodald | right now im infrot of a tv and it makes sounds and disrupts the image |
| 03:42.52 | ManoftheSea | what interference? |
| 03:43.03 | ManoftheSea | oh, that's GSM... |
| 03:43.10 | ManoftheSea | from the internet connection? |
| 03:43.24 | ManoftheSea | My cell phone makes speakers buzz in a distinctive pattern. |
| 03:43.47 | ManoftheSea | also, luke-jr, it's a radiative device, it CAN cause interference. |
| 03:43.54 | rodald | yes thats what i am talking about |
| 03:44.05 | mva | luke-jr, lol |
| 03:44.07 | ManoftheSea | the best way is to move it a couple feet away |
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| 03:44.51 | mva | luke-jr, when i call myself with psi from anoter jid (btw, voice only) â i hear myself. |
| 03:45.13 | shorter | http://www.hideipvpn.com/2010/02/howto-nokia-n900-os-maemo-openvpn-setup-tutorial/ I followed this guide and it keeps asking for user/pass - any ideas? |
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| 03:45.15 | mva | luke-jr, but when i call myself from n900 to Psi â i hear not. |
| 03:45.46 | ManoftheSea | shorter: did you set up a user/pass? |
| 03:45.49 | rodald | yeah but i work at a call center and it realy sucks not been able to use my device |
| 03:46.01 | shorter | it doesn't require one |
| 03:46.11 | ManoftheSea | then no, I have no ideas. |
| 03:46.35 | rodald | it stoped for a few days but then it came back |
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| 04:10.08 | hallyn | connecting with vncviewer to a tightvnc server. getting all caps (except when i type two keys really fast, the second is lower-case). |
| 04:10.22 | hallyn | i've only seen one report of that online with no confirmation. anyone else seen that? |
| 04:11.11 | shorter | openvpn applet on n900 requires a configuration file - is there an easy way to make one? |
| 04:11.16 | shorter | er generate? |
| 04:19.35 | shorter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=619254#post619254 some shit renamed my device to something retarded, as per this thread |
| 04:19.44 | shorter | no big deal I guess, but it is unsettling |
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| 04:35.21 | shorter | I'm getting socket.connection failed on openvpn |
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| 04:48.02 | user___ | is there a .conf for media player so i can tell it where to scan for media? |
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| 05:01.26 | radiochickenwax | Hi does anyone out there know if GSM is working in debian or ubuntu for n900? |
| 05:06.54 | shorter | anyone have a config file for their n900 openvpn client they can lend me? |
| 05:16.00 | shorter | where does openvpn applet put logs? |
| 05:16.03 | shorter | I need to trouble shoot this |
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| 05:30.55 | Macer | looks like i will go with fbsd8 |
| 05:35.23 | shorter | for waht |
| 05:35.53 | Macer | a shell and dns box using my artigo |
| 05:36.38 | Macer | it is a 1GHz C7 |
| 05:36.55 | Macer | real small 10W box... strong for its size though |
| 05:37.50 | Macer | im watching the smartest guys in the room |
| 05:37.55 | Macer | i love this movie |
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| 06:14.47 | toggles_w | woof |
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| 06:51.54 | LiraNuna | is there a way to know if the phone s currently on EDGE? |
| 06:51.58 | LiraNuna | (programatically) |
| 06:53.44 | kerio | as opposed to 3G or as opposed to gprs? |
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| 06:56.08 | LiraNuna | I want to determine fast/slow connection |
| 06:56.28 | kerio | fast as in hspa or fast as in edge? |
| 06:57.39 | LiraNuna | fast as in >5KB/s |
| 06:58.01 | kerio | lol |
| 07:00.06 | kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43411 gsm/3g/dual |
| 07:00.32 | LiraNuna | currently |
| 07:00.33 | LiraNuna | not config |
| 07:00.43 | LiraNuna | "Dual" can still mean '2.5G connection' |
| 07:01.16 | LiraNuna | I want to switch to 'low bandwidth mode' in my app in case user's on edge |
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| 07:05.24 | kerio | LiraNuna: stupid idea - a speed test |
| 07:05.30 | kerio | and/or let the user pick |
| 07:06.07 | LiraNuna | letting the user pick is fine |
| 07:06.10 | LiraNuna | but I want an auto mode |
| 07:06.16 | LiraNuna | <LiraNuna> I want to switch to 'low bandwidth mode' in my app in case user's on edge |
| 07:06.40 | kerio | make a speed test |
| 07:06.58 | kerio | my 3g connection sucks balls sometimes, so i'd appreciate low-bandwidth mode there |
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| 07:10.07 | LiraNuna | kerio, I'm aiming at fast startup time |
| 07:10.15 | LiraNuna | speed test would mean wait period |
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| 07:34.07 | ljrn900 | ok. this kb is downright terrible |
| 07:37.01 | kerio | what kb? |
| 07:37.15 | ljrn900 | n900 |
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| 07:37.55 | ljrn900 | it makes the n810 look good |
| 07:37.57 | kerio | i would've liked the space more centered, yeah |
| 07:38.04 | kerio | or you mean the on-screen keyboard? |
| 07:38.17 | ljrn900 | i mean the hw keys |
| 07:38.34 | ljrn900 | dont even see an osk |
| 07:39.50 | arachnist | i find the hw keyboard quite comfortable |
| 07:40.08 | arachnist | way better than motorola droid/milestone, which is just too flat |
| 07:40.27 | ljrn900 | its a pain |
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| 07:47.07 | LiraNuna | <ljrn900> it makes the n810 look good |
| 07:47.13 | LiraNuna | what's wrong about the N810's keyboard? |
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| 07:56.18 | Termana | LiraNuna, I have an n810. At first I liked it. And then I didn't. The keys are small and not responsive enough (as in they don't make a good click, down and up) |
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| 07:58.50 | AStorm | Termana, meh |
| 07:58.55 | AStorm | keys are good enough |
| 07:59.04 | LiraNuna | yeah, feels good to me |
| 07:59.16 | AStorm | my gripe is the sucky buggy software |
| 07:59.23 | AStorm | with no updates forthcoming |
| 07:59.32 | LiraNuna | and closed components :( |
| 08:00.24 | AStorm | those have been reverse engineered mostly |
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| 08:53.34 | kerio | is there a way to access the IR port with, say, minicom? |
| 08:53.41 | kerio | what's the device file? |
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| 08:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mva: rodald: far end RX mute usually caused by NAT or firewall issues. || Interference? Don't tell me now there's GSM buzz on N900 o.O I doubt we'll find a buzzfix for this device -> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-September/000603.html |
| 08:57.41 | wazd | http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ |
| 08:58.00 | wazd | and they've moved deadline again :) |
| 08:58.25 | kerio | can i use minicom with /dev/lirc0? |
| 08:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: IR is TX only (CIR aka customer IR). *NO* IrDA |
| 08:59.25 | kerio | oh :( |
| 08:59.29 | kerio | why is that? |
| 09:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | dunno. Technically because there's only an IR-LED |
| 09:00.10 | arachnist | speaking of the CIR |
| 09:00.20 | arachnist | is there any tv-remote app for n900? |
| 09:00.27 | kerio | arachnist: qtirreco |
| 09:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | IrReco |
| 09:00.43 | kerio | the qt version is simpler to install and easier to use |
| 09:00.47 | kerio | only supports the n900 though |
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| 09:01.57 | pupnik_ | "The fact that others may agree with my opinion is pure coincidence. I do not have the authority to speak on behalf of my client nor for myself when my wife is present." nice |
| 09:02.35 | arachnist | "nor for myself when my wife is present.", lol |
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| 09:04.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: what if i want to just manually send data through the IR? |
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| 09:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: hw level it's a GPIO on SoC that directly switches on and off the IR LED. This GPIO also can be controlled my a hw counter/divider/PWM so you can generate several fixed frequency square wave patterns without cpu sw control overhead |
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| 09:22.08 | pupnik_ | that design by community page is the most damning piece of evidence against design-by-community |
| 09:23.13 | alterego | You know, I think I understand now why iPhone and Android have had such an imact, and why Nokia are losing traction. |
| 09:23.43 | pupnik_ | any one answer is wrong |
| 09:24.17 | alterego | It's all about shiny isn't it. When you buy something you want it to be the newest and the best. Nokia don't have the new shiney appeal, the just churn out extremely capable devices like water. |
| 09:24.29 | kerio | haha wtf dolby surround sound |
| 09:24.47 | alterego | Apple are all about shiney, everything they do is a reinvention of an already available technology or concept. |
| 09:25.06 | alterego | And Android are the new kid on the block. Which is not Apple .. |
| 09:25.12 | kerio | alterego: tbh, they * do* tend to reinvent it in a way that's incredibly easy to use |
| 09:25.36 | alterego | kerio: you mean stupid. |
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| 09:25.48 | alterego | They dumb things down, which works. |
| 09:25.58 | kerio | well, yeah |
| 09:26.03 | alterego | But not for everyone, not even a majority of everyone. |
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| 09:27.43 | alterego | So, I'm thinking, MeeGo is Nokias new shiny. they're trying to reinvent Symbian, which will take a lot of work. As much as I dislike coding for Symbian, Nokias Series 60 is the most capable mobile OS on the market. |
| 09:27.45 | kerio | nah, i'm pretty sure that the majority of everyone *is* stupid |
| 09:28.02 | pupnik_ | http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/goodbye-hdmi-hello-hdbaset/ ? |
| 09:28.05 | alterego | But it only has 2/5 of the smart phone market, that's a fucking joke. |
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| 09:29.36 | pupnik_ | it's not so surprising |
| 09:30.19 | alterego | otoh, I'm not sure I'd call iOS or even Android that smart .. |
| 09:30.37 | alterego | Unless we want to stick Symbian in the Super smart superlative. |
| 09:30.42 | pupnik_ | an interesting phenomenon here is that of capturing mindshare as a new market entrant, by only offering one product instead of a palette of many |
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| 09:31.07 | kerio | alterego: i didn't find symbian to be that smart, btw |
| 09:31.42 | alterego | kerio: it's extremly smart, just really slow, not as pretty as other mobile OS' and it's API is horrible imo. |
| 09:31.44 | pupnik_ | i am just getting used to it now - the menu-based UX is what feels old |
| 09:32.23 | alterego | Symbian is open, but it feels closed because the APIs are such a friggin' PITA |
| 09:33.08 | kerio | i probably have the wrong impression here - the only symbian device i actually used was my 6120c |
| 09:33.11 | alterego | But as an OS, it's complete, proper multitasking, copy & paste, everything you'd expect from a full computer OS for phones. |
| 09:33.18 | kerio | i found it very fast, but not *that* smart |
| 09:33.53 | alterego | That isn't it's weakness, it's weakness is the series 60 UI sucking balls and the API |
| 09:33.53 | pupnik_ | alterego: what would you be looking at if you were leaving symbian work? |
| 09:34.27 | alterego | leaving? |
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| 09:34.52 | pupnik_ | yeah say you couldn't develop for symbian anymore |
| 09:35.08 | alterego | MeeGo, obviously :) |
| 09:35.20 | alterego | Nokia Qt SDK changes everything of course. |
| 09:35.33 | alterego | Symbian no longer has to be a PITA to code for. |
| 09:35.56 | alterego | And you've got write once. |
| 09:36.10 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 09:36.11 | kerio | well, let's say one and a half |
| 09:36.23 | kerio | because there *are* differences between different devices you have to account for |
| 09:36.55 | alterego | kerio: quoting the Man, "non-issue" just don't codee it that way :P |
| 09:37.02 | arachnist | .27 |
| 09:37.07 | arachnist | whoops |
| 09:37.32 | kerio | even with proper coding, i still say 1.1 times as a best case scenario |
| 09:37.42 | alterego | Seriously though, Qt are doing a great job wrapping up their mobility APIs for geolocation etc. |
| 09:38.28 | alterego | Symbians biggest issue ahead of it is the UI. They need to completely rewrite it. |
| 09:38.59 | kerio | even with the best UI in the world, i'm not moving away from maemo |
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| 09:40.27 | alterego | Scrap Series 60 and do something new. Though, tbh, that's a mamoth task, which will break everything. Also, Symbian is supposed to replace S40 which requires no graphical acceleration. |
| 09:40.46 | alterego | Anyhow, I just thought I'd microblog :) |
| 09:41.18 | alterego | I'm pretty annoyed at the MeeGo UI, if there's one thing I love about maemo, it's the status area .. |
| 09:42.03 | pupnik_ | alterego: let's hope that that remains an option at least |
| 09:42.06 | alterego | I look at it and I get that feeling of power coming from the device. I look at the MeeGo UX and I think, why has Android and iPhones got this really ugly useless thin crappy bar at the top? |
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| 09:42.27 | Venemo | alterego: worst case, you just replace the mobile UX with the tablet UX, which is just pure awesomeness |
| 09:42.36 | alterego | :) |
| 09:42.59 | alterego | Venemo: and no status area :P We should work on a maemo.org MeeGo molbile UX .... |
| 09:43.26 | alterego | Port what we have to Qt, and make the improvements we desire. |
| 09:43.50 | Venemo | alterego: well, we haven't seen that much... honestly, I dunno whether there will be a status area or not |
| 09:44.28 | alterego | For sure, Harmattan will be a lot more Maemo than MeeGo, and the SDK should be just around the corner. |
| 09:44.46 | alterego | So we'll no soon enough. |
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| 09:44.59 | alterego | ~know |
| 09:45.00 | infobot | hmm... know is Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 09:45.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:45.40 | Venemo | alterego: we don't even know what MeeGo's desktop will be like |
| 09:45.51 | alterego | Meh |
| 09:46.02 | Venemo | alterego: will there be shortcuts/widgets/contacts like in Maemo? Or multiple desktops? |
| 09:46.32 | Venemo | alterego: noone knows, and those who do, don't tell |
| 09:46.44 | alterego | I might start my own company, MeeGo customizations for large corporations. I could build locked down images for employees or something |
| 09:47.09 | Venemo | alterego: another worst case scenario: let's port Hildon to MeeGo :) |
| 09:47.21 | alterego | Or maybe apply to work for some Operator. Work on UI customisation of MeeGo for them. |
| 09:47.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:47.32 | alterego | Hildon should be destroyed :P |
| 09:47.37 | alterego | Well, some of it. |
| 09:48.17 | Venemo | alterego: I will miss it... I just don't think we will get all the features we like in Hildon |
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| 09:48.40 | lardman | morning |
| 09:48.46 | alterego | Guten morgan |
| 09:48.54 | lardman | wie geht's? |
| 09:49.26 | lardman | anyone here used PythonQT before? |
| 09:49.28 | alterego | Gute danke, und du? |
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| 09:49.48 | alterego | lardman: I use PySide, if that applicable ... |
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| 09:50.11 | lardman | hmm, probably not |
| 09:50.27 | lardman | I want to be able to use python as a scripting language within a C++/Qt app |
| 09:50.38 | alterego | Okay, anyhow, I need to shower. |
| 09:50.46 | lardman | cheers anyway |
| 09:50.49 | alterego | lardman: pretty possible |
| 09:51.12 | alterego | And yes, you should be able to move QObjects between environments relatively easily. |
| 09:51.25 | alterego | You should probably look more into QtScript though :P |
| 09:51.37 | lardman | that's Javascript-style stuff isn't it? |
| 09:51.43 | alterego | bbiab |
| 09:51.46 | lardman | k |
| 09:51.49 | alterego | Yeah, ECMA |
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| 09:52.23 | lardman | I'd prefer Python, as it has lots of stuff already written that can be pulled in - will explain when you get back (assuming I'm not in the shower by that point!) |
| 09:53.56 | mikhas | scripting language within an app? I dont think python is a good choice. consider QtScript or LUA ... |
| 09:54.10 | kerio | python is great! |
| 09:54.10 | mikhas | python envs are a pain to use, from a plugin point of view |
| 09:54.15 | lardman | I want people to be able to write plugins for mBarcode using Python |
| 09:54.29 | mikhas | you are ready for a world of pain, I hope |
| 09:54.29 | Venemo | why Python? |
| 09:54.45 | lardman | well Python has lots of pre-written libs/packages available |
| 09:54.51 | mikhas | we do that with Glom, and everytime python upgrades everything breaks |
| 09:55.15 | lardman | effectively the only link will be for the C++ plugin manager to pass the barcode data + a window onto which to draw to the Python plugin, then it can do what it wants |
| 09:55.29 | lardman | mikhas: yeah, I was worried about that |
| 09:56.20 | mikhas | every user has a different python env, and getting the *correct* python path, package sites etc (consider multiple python installations on the same box) is all borken and non-standardized |
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| 09:56.47 | kerio | well, maemo is pretty "standard" from that point of view |
| 09:56.49 | kerio | there's only one user |
| 09:56.51 | lardman | ah, but this is only for Maemo |
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| 10:00.28 | lardman | I guess the other option is to pass data out of the app via DBus and let whomever capture and handle it |
| 10:00.34 | lardman | but that seems more messy ;) |
| 10:00.41 | lardman | in idea if not implementation |
| 10:04.33 | kerio | lardman: mbarcode is seriously awesome |
| 10:05.21 | lardman | thanks, still needs some improvements though |
| 10:05.27 | lardman | like better working plugins |
| 10:05.57 | lardman | and I need to get that "Open Image" button plumbed into the gst pipeline too |
| 10:05.59 | lardman | :) |
| 10:06.15 | lardman | ah, speaking of showers, bbiab |
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| 10:16.42 | alterego | So mBarcode is Qt/C++? |
| 10:17.04 | alterego | I actually think a barcode dbus service is a great idea. |
| 10:17.56 | lbt | is getting pissed off at the maemo testing process |
| 10:18.15 | alterego | lbt: what specifically? :) |
| 10:18.16 | lbt | yet another "blocking vote" for a minor detail in a hyperlink which is not even part of the application. |
| 10:18.34 | Venemo | lbt: what's the problem? |
| 10:18.34 | alterego | Oh ... |
| 10:18.51 | lbt | My Bugtracker link goes to garage generally, it doesn't link to my app page |
| 10:18.56 | alterego | Stop getting pedants to vote for your app then :P |
| 10:19.06 | lbt | I have no say in the matter |
| 10:19.21 | lbt | and for both of them all their karma comes from "testing" |
| 10:19.28 | alterego | Sure you do, get ten people to vote before anyone else has a chance :D |
| 10:19.43 | Venemo | lbt: this is a well-documented requirement |
| 10:19.53 | Venemo | lbt: although my app misses it, too (for the time being) :P |
| 10:20.13 | lbt | And as noted in the comments, there's a commit in git to fix it |
| 10:20.23 | lbt | but 2 blocking votes ? |
| 10:20.29 | alterego | My bugtracker uri was my email address, then I changed it to a talk thread, version 1.0 will use bug tracker. |
| 10:21.00 | lbt | even worse, if you open the "about" box it has a link to the correct bug location |
| 10:21.13 | lbt | it's only the X-Bugtracker link in the control file that's wrong |
| 10:21.18 | Venemo | lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugtracker |
| 10:21.26 | lbt | I know |
| 10:21.29 | Venemo | lbt: "Validity criteria for bugtrackers and bugtrackers links" |
| 10:21.36 | Venemo | lbt: you just have to live with it. |
| 10:21.54 | Venemo | lbt: what is your app, by the way? |
| 10:22.02 | lbt | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.12/ |
| 10:22.13 | alterego | lbt: I feel your pain though, extras promotion is an arduous process, but it is a necessary one imo :) |
| 10:22.29 | lbt | Agreed - but it's too arbitrary |
| 10:22.40 | lbt | these are not "blocking" bugs |
| 10:22.50 | alterego | I just hate having to bump version numbers when there's a packaging problem .. |
| 10:23.00 | Venemo | lbt: just take it like an exam in school |
| 10:23.08 | Venemo | lbt: there are requirements that you must pass |
| 10:23.09 | lbt | there are *zero* bugs raised |
| 10:23.48 | lbt | Venemo: and we all know how useless exams are :) |
| 10:23.49 | alterego | Venemo: I think he gets it, he's just venting :P Whkch is p.retty reasonible. |
| 10:23.59 | Venemo | lbt: agreed :) |
| 10:24.13 | Venemo | alterego: yes, I'm just trying to console him |
| 10:24.33 | lbt | ... cheers |
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| 10:25.43 | lbt | will proably be writing the QA checking code for the next builder... |
| 10:25.55 | lbt | I know 2 usernames that will get special attention... |
| 10:26.35 | crashanddie | and those are? |
| 10:26.43 | alterego | Hahah |
| 10:26.59 | alterego | Now now, no need to be nasty. :P |
| 10:27.05 | lardman|afk | alterego: yep it's C underneath wrapped in Qt/C++ |
| 10:27.09 | crashanddie | I have to say, i don't even like those kind of jokes |
| 10:27.18 | lbt | I do |
| 10:27.22 | lbt | I love 'em |
| 10:27.35 | lardman|afk | lbt: that's the reason we've not pushed mBarcode back to -testing |
| 10:27.39 | crashanddie | well, please keep 'em private |
| 10:28.06 | lbt | crashanddie: nope... my purpose in life is not to make you feel better... sorry mate. |
| 10:28.14 | crashanddie | lbt: there's already enough rumours spreading like wildfire in the whole maemo ecosystem as to not feed the trolls even further by asserting things like that |
| 10:28.20 | lbt | lardman|afk: yes... I hate it but I'm gladd I feel the pain |
| 10:28.39 | lbt | you need to experience this kind of thing to appreciate it |
| 10:28.39 | lardman|afk | keeps you alive...? ;) |
| 10:28.41 | alterego | I'd like a barcode dbus service. |
| 10:28.55 | lbt | crashanddie: *think of the trolls" .... bwhahahaha |
| 10:29.03 | alterego | Something that could hook into the camera pipeline so you can run both apps at the same time. |
| 10:29.13 | crashanddie | lbt: yeah, because you're pretty much becoming one right there. |
| 10:29.16 | lardman|afk | alterego: cool, was going to add one this afternoon (also need to work out why hildon-mime calls aren't working and it's probably dbus related) |
| 10:29.22 | lbt | crashanddie: uh huh.... |
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| 10:30.21 | Venemo | bye people, I'll be afk |
| 10:30.39 | alterego | lardman|afk: sweet, I'll be well interested when that's done :) |
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| 10:31.54 | alterego | Also, macro focus would be nice ;) |
| 10:32.20 | lbt | lardman|afk: I'm thinking that down votes *must* have a bug# - and when that bug is closed it's removed |
| 10:32.57 | lbt | possibly needs some bug/test-team arbitration |
| 10:33.27 | alterego | lbt: that's a good idea, but just because the bug is fixed in vcs, doesn'tmean it's available in the version in testing. |
| 10:33.46 | lbt | alterego: *nod* ... needs linking up |
| 10:33.48 | alterego | That's why you need to bump version number and repromote ... |
| 10:34.00 | alterego | Which means testing again .. |
| 10:34.12 | lbt | alterego: we need a way for the devs to say "only bugfixes" or similar |
| 10:34.22 | alterego | This is why, generally. I go through the testing process myself in devel before I promote. |
| 10:34.27 | lbt | there are elements of dev responsibility |
| 10:35.17 | alterego | lbt: that isn't guaranteed though, a bug fix may introduce another bug. and unless testers look at the code and convince themselves there's nothing wrong with it then sure, they can change the vote. |
| 10:35.44 | lbt | Need to keep an eye on the objective though |
| 10:35.50 | alterego | However, bugs to do with debian packaging should be not part of that. |
| 10:36.14 | lbt | yes, there are blocking bugs |
| 10:36.29 | lbt | the point being there should be a high hurdle |
| 10:36.33 | alterego | lbt: being too pragmatic makes us lazy and error prone. All code modifications should be properly QA tested to ensure they're reliable. |
| 10:36.34 | crashanddie | lbt: how about a system that would put the thumb down "up for testing" by someone else? |
| 10:36.49 | lbt | but passing that means a lower hurdle for reported fixes |
| 10:36.56 | alterego | But your issue is packaging, not code. And that pisses me off :) |
| 10:37.07 | crashanddie | lbt: assuming that the thumb down had a bug# attached to it, and the bug has been marked fixed |
| 10:37.17 | lbt | crashanddie: that's the kind of thing I mean |
| 10:37.24 | crashanddie | k |
| 10:37.29 | alterego | Packaging fixes should NOT require a new f*ing release :) |
| 10:37.38 | crashanddie | lbt: that would indeed be pretty good |
| 10:37.55 | crashanddie | alterego: is there no -sub-sub-sub-micro-packaging version number? |
| 10:38.07 | crashanddie | alterego: version1.3-2-maemo-1928? |
| 10:38.10 | alterego | crashanddie: probably. |
| 10:38.18 | lbt | the problem with the micro release idea is the same one |
| 10:38.27 | lbt | you have to trust to "no abuse" |
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| 10:39.20 | crashanddie | lbt: or enforce no binary changes |
| 10:39.35 | lbt | scripts? typos? |
| 10:39.43 | crashanddie | are those packaging issues? |
| 10:39.48 | lbt | postinst? |
| 10:39.57 | crashanddie | I don't really see those as packaging issues |
| 10:40.08 | MohammadAG51 | packaging issues? where? |
| 10:40.19 | alterego | bbl |
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| 10:40.58 | crashanddie | lbt: they are problems that can happen to anyone, and we need QA to ensure that indeed the correct file will be placed at the correct place. Dev machines often have so many files in so many different directories that a lone forgotten hardcoded path will not bork the application on the dev machine, but will die instantly on a QA machine |
| 10:41.14 | crashanddie | lbt: as such, these are things that need to be QA'd properly as much as the next thing. |
| 10:41.31 | lbt | yes. I used to keep a "clean" verision of Diablo to test install into |
| 10:41.38 | lbt | but it's hard |
| 10:41.46 | lbt | MeeGo may make that easier |
| 10:42.30 | lcuk | morning \o |
| 10:42.45 | lbt | ignores lcuk pointedly |
| 10:43.16 | kerio | morning! |
| 10:43.41 | lcuk | wont share bacon butties with you then :p |
| 10:43.46 | lbt | <sniff> |
| 10:44.16 | lbt | you'd think you could count on your mates to test your app for you ;) |
| 10:44.32 | lcuk | well wheres the test url |
| 10:45.07 | lbt | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.12/ |
| 10:45.09 | lbt | :) |
| 10:45.34 | lbt | has been ranting about the QA process |
| 10:46.16 | crashanddie | lcuk: can I have one? |
| 10:46.31 | onion | lbt: it's a bit sucky, yes |
| 10:47.09 | lbt | we have this cool BOSS system for MeeGo which I hope will make refining the process easier |
| 10:47.12 | lcuk | has been sleeping |
| 10:47.22 | lbt | that's allowed in this heat |
| 10:47.30 | lcuk | testing should still be something done on the machine itself |
| 10:47.44 | lbt | ? it is |
| 10:47.47 | lbt | ah |
| 10:47.51 | lbt | BOSS isn't a testing system |
| 10:47.58 | lbt | it's a workflow system |
| 10:48.12 | lbt | so it means you can add steps into it in a really easy way |
| 10:48.35 | lcuk | the voting/rating aspect at least |
| 10:48.49 | lcuk | btw, cant get stroke gestures to totally work |
| 10:49.09 | lbt | why? |
| 10:49.25 | lbt | I've heard others say that ... on mine they're almost perfect |
| 10:49.39 | lbt | I don't know if it's technique |
| 10:50.24 | lcuk | because when shopping you strike something out, it doesnt just adjust tick at left hand side - it crosses the line out - strikethrough font attribute perhaps :P |
| 10:50.59 | lbt | ? |
| 10:51.11 | lbt | it changes the font but not the tickbox? |
| 10:51.57 | lcuk | if you start a left->right stroke over the tickbox it does not tick the iten |
| 10:52.04 | lbt | ah... yes |
| 10:52.25 | lbt | well, that's a design decision |
| 10:52.37 | lbt | tick boxes are for clicking |
| 10:52.42 | lbt | not stroking |
| 10:52.54 | lcuk | and if you end a left <- right stroke too far (stroke off the edge of screen) it doesnt untick |
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| 10:56.53 | lcuk | lbt eep in portrait mode for the list - if you click the combo box to select option group (everything/dairy/frozen/veg/shoes etc (tracy will love you!) and select its not in portrait anymore |
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| 10:57.33 | lbt | lcuk: that's Qt |
| 10:57.51 | lbt | it's intermittent though |
| 10:58.16 | lcuk | lol im shaking device like its got stuck :D |
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| 10:59.30 | lcuk | lbt - perhaps you could add option in prefs for rotation - landscape/portrait/auto like other apps ? |
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| 11:00.09 | lbt | I had that - but I thought 'auto' was the style guide |
| 11:00.11 | MohammadAG51 | imo there should be something like what the iPhone has |
| 11:00.29 | lbt | yeah, in portrait mode it's a simpler UI |
| 11:00.29 | MohammadAG51 | auto unless otherwise stated using "orientation lock" |
| 11:00.43 | MohammadAG51 | controlled in the app switcher |
| 11:00.46 | lbt | MohammadAG51: and is that a per-app thing or a device thing |
| 11:00.48 | lbt | yes |
| 11:00.54 | MohammadAG51 | device thing |
| 11:01.19 | MohammadAG51 | make mce stop polling the accelerometer so the app doesn't detect portrait/landscape mode |
| 11:01.21 | lbt | I'm trying not to "add options".... just "do the right thing" |
| 11:01.28 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 11:01.39 | MohammadAG51 | i saw qwerty12 post something on that |
| 11:01.50 | MohammadAG51 | maybe it can be made into a status menu applet |
| 11:02.30 | lcuk | lbt - i have voted since the points raised are not issues with your app :) its borne in qt so very hard to break |
| 11:02.46 | lcuk | and does mention tracy explicitly |
| 11:02.53 | lcuk | :D |
| 11:03.00 | lbt | heh :) |
| 11:03.13 | lcuk | she can install it on hers |
| 11:03.32 | lcuk | lbt - why the specific reference to xrandr? |
| 11:03.45 | lbt | it did rotation on the 810 |
| 11:04.17 | lbt | it had an explicit rotate button |
| 11:04.23 | lcuk | and i know you have meat aisle - but why list HAM as dependency |
| 11:04.27 | lcuk | ahhhhhahhhhhahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:04.29 | lbt | and it also had a "left handed" mode |
| 11:04.35 | lcuk | oooh |
| 11:04.44 | lbt | sadly the N900 is handist |
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| 11:04.57 | lcuk | does left handed mode effect the number of bars shown on n900? |
| 11:05.13 | lbt | it cetainly saw that problem coming! |
| 11:05.23 | lcuk | hah |
| 11:05.33 | lcuk | btw, i want a portrait stand! |
| 11:05.44 | lcuk | ive got one of Fakes' laser cut one |
| 11:05.48 | lbt | still wants a stand that works |
| 11:05.49 | lcuk | but i want a portrait version |
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| 11:07.18 | lcuk | morning crashanddie, yes ill make you a bacon buttie |
| 11:07.26 | lcuk | had bacon last night for first time in ages |
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| 11:08.59 | crashanddie | thank you lcuk |
| 11:09.08 | crashanddie | chem|st: you a mod in general? |
| 11:12.15 | pupnik_ | i need a bacon sofa |
| 11:13.19 | lcuk | pupnik_, that would be a false economy - you would have nowhere to sit afte ra while |
| 11:13.26 | lcuk | much better to sit on live pigs |
| 11:13.30 | lcuk | they would keep you warm |
| 11:14.18 | pupnik_ | hmm |
| 11:14.33 | pupnik_ | genetically engineered animal furniture |
| 11:15.18 | pupnik_ | 'for the man who has everything' |
| 11:15.34 | lcuk | and if you train them right, you could get them to walk you to your office etc |
| 11:16.42 | pupnik_ | plus when the pillows got too soft you could fry them on the grill |
| 11:16.55 | AStorm | pupnik_, chairdogs? |
| 11:17.13 | AStorm | it's already been invented, but never produced |
| 11:17.23 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 11:17.43 | AStorm | remember you have to feed them every so often |
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| 11:19.15 | AStorm | oh and trim the hair |
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| 11:23.44 | pupnik_ | imitation leather with a chemically intert matrix supporting, say, plant cells building a soft hair folicle. by changing the seed cells and nutrient mix you could get different 'furs' for your sofa. |
| 11:24.22 | pupnik_ | would at least be a nice touch for a sci-fi setting |
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| 11:25.24 | crashanddie | lcuk: I think we used to use horses |
| 11:25.42 | crashanddie | lcuk: they give milk, go fast, and you can even eat them |
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| 11:27.05 | pupnik_ | <geek>that's why you see em in 'Firefly'</geek> |
| 11:27.56 | crashanddie | who in this channel has ever owned a horse? |
| 11:28.01 | crashanddie | raises hand |
| 11:28.42 | pupnik_ | i've sprayed a couple with a garden hose but they didn't like it |
| 11:28.45 | Ikarus | I've eaten them |
| 11:29.24 | kerio | Ikarus: om nom nom |
| 11:29.26 | lcuk | pupnik_, would take a while to regrow new surface |
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| 11:29.37 | lcuk | and the days after you would get stubble burn |
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| 11:30.31 | loufoque_ | why is OMWeather getting updated every other day? |
| 11:31.00 | pupnik_ | lcuk: trying to imagine what the simplest, first 'biological fabrics' might look like |
| 11:31.24 | lcuk | isnt cotton a biological fabric? |
| 11:31.29 | pupnik_ | not alive |
| 11:31.30 | lcuk | or fur |
| 11:31.32 | lcuk | or leather |
| 11:31.43 | loufoque_ | cotton is very much alive |
| 11:31.47 | pupnik_ | sorry, the name was a poor choice |
| 11:31.50 | loufoque_ | it's just vegetal |
| 11:31.51 | lcuk | ohh actual adaptable real organics |
| 11:32.17 | lcuk | get worker ants |
| 11:32.21 | heoa | trying to sep up n810 as low-power file-server. Anyone knows microUSB-RJ45 conversion adapter? |
| 11:32.22 | lcuk | to build a mesh |
| 11:32.45 | loufoque_ | heoa: use your computer as a bridge, |
| 11:32.46 | loufoque_ | ? |
| 11:32.51 | lcuk | heoa, hmmm when i did usb host stuff on 810 - i just used my nokia adapter and a female-female dongle |
| 11:33.03 | lcuk | to give me a regular usb port to plug stuff into |
| 11:33.18 | heoa | loufoque_: not possible, the comp uses too much watts ---> trying to get low-power |
| 11:33.20 | lcuk | same principle is being looked at to work also on n900 :D |
| 11:33.21 | kerio | heoa: wifi? |
| 11:33.36 | lcuk | kerio, wifi file servers arent as fast |
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| 11:33.49 | lcuk | usb == faster than wifi |
| 11:33.52 | kerio | good point |
| 11:34.22 | kerio | heoa: http://www.plugcomputer.org/ |
| 11:34.25 | lcuk | but if your machines being served are on wifi it would work |
| 11:34.58 | pupnik_ | http://www.gsm-technology.com/index.php/en_US,details,id_pr,7216,menu_mode,categories.html heh |
| 11:35.04 | pupnik_ | microusb-rj45 |
| 11:35.32 | lcuk | lololol http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/video-technology-confirms-england-are-very-bad-at-football-201006282855/ |
| 11:35.54 | kerio | pupnik_: is there a way to get that working on the n900? |
| 11:36.16 | kerio | possibly with power-over-ethernet |
| 11:36.39 | chem|st | crash me is S-Mod |
| 11:36.53 | pupnik_ | i suspect only with usb chipsets that support acting like ethernet endpoints |
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| 11:36.57 | kerio | :( |
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| 11:37.05 | pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=USB-RJ45+adapter |
| 11:37.09 | kerio | nokia should've added that |
| 11:37.21 | kerio | also usb on the go |
| 11:37.24 | kerio | :( |
| 11:37.30 | pupnik_ | http://www.amazon.com/AGILER-RJ45-ADAPTER-NETWORK-COMPUTER/dp/B000BL3M3U |
| 11:37.32 | kerio | DAMN YOU NOKIA! |
| 11:38.05 | lcuk | kerio, relax a bit |
| 11:38.20 | loufoque_ | lcuk: this doesn't make any sense at all. |
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| 11:40.06 | lcuk | loufoque_, what doesnt |
| 11:40.11 | lcuk | everything i say makes sense |
| 11:40.16 | lcuk | apart from the bits which dont |
| 11:40.22 | kerio | lcuk: the lack of usb-on-the-go *is* disappointing :( |
| 11:40.22 | pupnik_ | i don't see why that device from amazon.com couldn't work with a n800/n810 |
| 11:40.28 | pupnik_ | lcuk: any thoughts? |
| 11:40.49 | pupnik_ | i might prefer this arrangement for myself |
| 11:40.59 | loufoque_ | lcuk: the link you gave |
| 11:41.01 | lcuk | kerio, really - let me be totally honest here - usb otg on the n810 was used for what? |
| 11:41.01 | kerio | pupnik_: is it supported by linux? |
| 11:41.04 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 11:41.10 | lcuk | it looks like we will have usb host mode soon |
| 11:41.14 | kerio | lcuk: connecting pen drives |
| 11:41.28 | loufoque_ | does N900 do host mode, |
| 11:41.29 | loufoque_ | ? |
| 11:41.36 | jacekowski | yes |
| 11:41.42 | jacekowski | with some hacking |
| 11:41.43 | kerio | loufoque_: not yet |
| 11:41.43 | jacekowski | but yes |
| 11:41.54 | lcuk | loufoque_, there are general hacks in place and discussion ongoing about activating properly, yes |
| 11:41.55 | pupnik_ | only for kids who finish their plate |
| 11:42.29 | lcuk | kerio, usb host mode would do that |
| 11:42.33 | lcuk | OTG is different |
| 11:43.11 | loufoque_ | what's usb on-the-go? |
| 11:43.21 | lcuk | i am wanting a working host mode on n900 for arduino hacking purposes |
| 11:43.45 | Ikarus | lcuk: nice that you want it |
| 11:43.45 | kerio | lcuk: well, usb otg allows for simpler configuration at least |
| 11:43.49 | lcuk | OTG is a variation on the USB spec designed for specific low powered devices to communicate and talk "on the go" |
| 11:43.49 | Ikarus | you can't have it right now |
| 11:44.26 | lcuk | Ikarus, sure, but its better to desire something achievable than to go for something thats all but ruled out |
| 11:45.18 | lcuk | mind you, an uphill climb is fun sometimes ;) |
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| 11:45.50 | lcuk | especially when you get to the top and can ski-glide your way back down |
| 11:47.03 | lcuk | kicks portrait rotated transitions |
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| 11:47.30 | lcuk | damn things dont work when i use high level dynamic rotation patch |
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| 11:47.38 | kerio | lcuk: i want a status area switcher between usb host and usb... the opposite of host |
| 11:47.45 | kerio | guest? |
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| 11:48.59 | lcuk | kerio, the UI ontop of the kernel patch is tiny - the guys are still trying to sort out and mature the kernel patch at the moment |
| 11:49.06 | jacekowski | kerio: peripherial |
| 11:49.10 | jacekowski | kerio: and i want a blowjob |
| 11:49.14 | lcuk | thanks jacekowski |
| 11:49.21 | lcuk | not for the bj comment |
| 11:49.26 | lcuk | you wont get one of those here |
| 11:49.59 | jacekowski | i was thinking that we were saying our wishes |
| 11:50.00 | kerio | jacekowski: craigslist.org |
| 11:51.24 | lcuk | perhaps we need a pelvic thrust alarm app for n900 |
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| 11:51.35 | lcuk | "ALERT ALERT USER IS FAPPING" |
| 11:51.42 | kerio | lcuk: let's do the time warp again |
| 11:53.07 | pupnik_ | hmm, one could track employees not being at certain stations nicely with a n900 |
| 11:53.26 | lcuk | pupnik_, gps doesnt work nicely indoors |
| 11:53.30 | lcuk | never has, never will |
| 11:53.38 | MohammadAG51 | always does here |
| 11:53.41 | lcuk | otherwise i would agree |
| 11:53.43 | pupnik_ | oh true enough |
| 11:54.00 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, you are barely indoors to the sorts of levels lots of employees are |
| 11:54.07 | lcuk | big multistorey buildings etc |
| 11:54.10 | kerio | MohammadAG51: what's your job? |
| 11:54.20 | lcuk | "layabout" |
| 11:54.31 | kerio | lol |
| 11:54.55 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, some people dont have real windows to look out of |
| 11:55.14 | lcuk | misses the window he used to look out of at old job :) i hope when i get in next office i have a view |
| 11:55.23 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, you said indoors, you didn't specift what type of building |
| 11:55.35 | lcuk | true |
| 11:55.39 | lcuk | ok, it works sometimes |
| 11:55.44 | MohammadAG51 | :P |
| 11:55.48 | lcuk | but not reproducably |
| 11:55.53 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, am I allowed to work? |
| 11:55.56 | ptl | does not have any real windows on the building where he works |
| 11:56.06 | kerio | MohammadAG51: dunno |
| 11:56.08 | kerio | i don't work |
| 11:56.21 | ptl | works at late night, from 0:00 to 08:00... And this is good in one point of view |
| 11:56.30 | ptl | never knows if it's night or day there |
| 11:56.38 | MohammadAG51 | synaptics compiled with no problems, weird... |
| 11:56.47 | lcuk | some basement dwellers also never see sunlight |
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| 11:57.20 | ptl | Does Droid X's lack of physical keyboard means the Death of physical keyboard on all mobiles? |
| 11:57.28 | ptl | *mean |
| 11:57.33 | lcuk | pupnik_, i will have my network running a daemon soon enough |
| 11:57.52 | lcuk | so when i walk in wifi zone it will sync everything |
| 11:58.03 | MohammadAG51 | ptl, if Droid\ X = all\ mobiles; echo yes |
| 11:58.08 | MohammadAG51 | else; echo no |
| 11:58.18 | lcuk | ptl, portrait maemo even has trouble using keyboard |
| 11:58.29 | ptl | MohammadAG51: it's just because its predecessor, Motorola Droid, had on the finest keyboards of all mobiles... |
| 11:58.29 | lcuk | except as a 6 bar chord |
| 11:58.36 | ptl | MohammadAG51: that must mean something |
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| 11:59.06 | ptl | lcuk: I was thinking about landscape mode physical keyboards... |
| 11:59.08 | lcuk | up page, down page, autoscroll on/off, change book |
| 11:59.11 | pupnik_ | lcuk: what do you mean by 'daemon'? |
| 11:59.25 | arachnist | ptl: the motorola droid/milestone had one of the most horrible keywords i've ever seen/tried |
| 11:59.27 | lcuk | well are devices going to have multiple keyboards |
| 11:59.34 | arachnist | damn thing is completly flat |
| 11:59.43 | MohammadAG51 | ptl, finest? keyboard? |
| 11:59.45 | ptl | arachnist: you think? I found it very comfortable and agile. |
| 11:59.54 | lcuk | ptl i use my n900 portrait keyboard in an odd orientation |
| 11:59.58 | arachnist | ptl: my fingers slipped in it |
| 12:00.04 | lcuk | when bookreading theres 4/6 buttons down the left hand side |
| 12:00.07 | ptl | ok ok ok, so it's not unanimous :P |
| 12:00.09 | arachnist | s/in/on/ |
| 12:00.12 | lcuk | with nice knighrider lights |
| 12:00.20 | arachnist | infobot: you got it wrong |
| 12:00.21 | lcuk | nods @ MohammadAG51 |
| 12:00.50 | lcuk | i want to stick an overlay over the keyboard actually |
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| 12:01.03 | lcuk | like old skool Function key overlays DOS apps had :D |
| 12:01.08 | ptl | Well, at least the N900's keyboard you guys consider OK? |
| 12:01.18 | lcuk | but stick over the physical keyboard to allow bookreader real buttons :D |
| 12:01.18 | ptl | Which physical keyboard would be the best one of the mobiles? |
| 12:01.29 | MohammadAG51 | the N97's keyboard was better tbh |
| 12:01.29 | asj_ | ptl: it could be improved, but it's fine |
| 12:01.35 | lcuk | ptl surprisingly i liked the n810 keys |
| 12:01.40 | tuliobaars | Hey |
| 12:01.51 | MohammadAG51 | but i type faster on the N900's keyboard |
| 12:01.52 | asj_ | MohammadAG51: I don't like the n97 key field, but the size and space was better |
| 12:01.52 | Ikarus | lcuk: hehehe |
| 12:01.58 | heoa | http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=IO+net232&utm_term=rs232+to+rj45&gclid=CM_Wrrqhz6ICFc2S3wodbiMjzA http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=393 <<--- with them n810 to low-power file-server? |
| 12:02.00 | Ikarus | lcuk: the keyboard is replacable on the N900 with some effort |
| 12:02.07 | ptl | I type quite fast on the N900 keyboard also |
| 12:02.08 | tuliobaars | Finally someone talkin' about some good things about the N810! |
| 12:02.09 | Ikarus | lcuk: also, you can split the spacebar in two |
| 12:02.11 | lcuk | lol Ikarus i wouldnt like the effort |
| 12:02.17 | lcuk | just a clip on would suffice |
| 12:02.29 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, the space bar is two buttons |
| 12:02.32 | MohammadAG51 | for some reason |
| 12:02.33 | lcuk | Ikarus, we have control of the 6 LEDs under the keys |
| 12:02.36 | asj_ | lcuk: that's what she said ;) |
| 12:02.53 | lcuk | and grouped together with a cluster of keys nearest each light is a cool way to get input |
| 12:03.04 | lcuk | so you dont aim for a single key but an area |
| 12:03.38 | kerio | so the space key is actually two keys? |
| 12:03.42 | kerio | can you get the two separately? |
| 12:03.43 | ptl | Motorola backflip also has a nice keyboard |
| 12:03.51 | ptl | the keys are quite large |
| 12:03.53 | lcuk | dunno kerio will test |
| 12:03.58 | MohammadAG51 | yes kerio |
| 12:04.02 | lcuk | but Ikarus says so |
| 12:04.16 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, press in the middle part of the spacebar |
| 12:04.21 | MohammadAG51 | you'll hear two clicks |
| 12:04.28 | MohammadAG51 | that's the easiest test |
| 12:04.30 | kerio | yeah but can you get the two keys separately? |
| 12:04.37 | kerio | because i'd like an extra key |
| 12:04.49 | lcuk | gives kerio a key |
| 12:04.51 | MohammadAG51 | oh, I think they send the same button |
| 12:05.03 | lcuk | i think it was for my bike lock when i was younger |
| 12:05.41 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
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| 12:07.42 | pupnik_ | what's a good non-destructive (open-source) mp3 editor? |
| 12:07.58 | MohammadAG51 | /usr/local/sbin/synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-inst-libc6.5-6.so.1.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:08.00 | MohammadAG51 | argh |
| 12:08.51 | lcuk | pupnik_, regarding daemon question, running liqbasey stuff on my master machine and connecting to other instances when they are on the same wifi hotspot |
| 12:08.54 | asj_ | pupnik_: you can't edit mp3, you can move/cut frames, but you have to convert to basicallt wav to edit it |
| 12:09.13 | pupnik_ | oh neat |
| 12:09.14 | kerio | pupnik_: audacity |
| 12:09.33 | pupnik_ | it can edit mp3s without re-encoding? |
| 12:09.40 | kerio | don't think so |
| 12:09.43 | asj_ | pupnik_: nothing can |
| 12:10.09 | pupnik_ | wrong |
| 12:10.21 | pupnik_ | mp3directcut for e.g. |
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| 12:10.43 | tuliobaars | in scratchbox, where i can select the target(ARMEL): |
| 12:11.15 | asj_ | pupnik_: oh for fuck sake, did you read what I just wrote? |
| 12:11.42 | lcuk | asj_, it used to be said that jpeg could not be edited losslessly |
| 12:11.42 | tuliobaars | for me: |
| 12:11.45 | kerio | you can cut it, you can probably join them, but you can't edit them without recompression |
| 12:12.00 | lcuk | but then people realised you could rotate the macroblocks and actually losslessly rotate images |
| 12:12.52 | pupnik_ | in some ways linux is dazzingly out-of-date |
| 12:12.53 | asj_ | lcuk: or you can just set the rotation in the metadata. Same with mp3 effectively, you can cut frames, set audio gain levels in the id3 |
| 12:13.29 | lcuk | ok asj_ so thats lossless editing - do any apps do it? |
| 12:13.31 | pupnik_ | asj, as a favor, i did re-read it, and it hasn't gotten any righter. :) |
| 12:13.35 | asj_ | lcuk: I don't really consider playing with metadata to be editing though |
| 12:13.36 | lcuk | (since you just said it wasnt possible :P) |
| 12:13.46 | pupnik_ | http://mpesch3.de1.cc/mp3dc.html |
| 12:14.04 | kerio | pupnik_: yeah... |
| 12:14.08 | kerio | Non-destructive cut, copy, paste |
| 12:14.12 | kerio | that's what we've been selling |
| 12:14.14 | kerio | er |
| 12:14.15 | kerio | saying |
| 12:14.18 | kerio | is tired |
| 12:14.20 | pupnik_ | Volume change, fade, normalize, pause detection |
| 12:14.27 | pupnik_ | don't abuse 'we' |
| 12:14.29 | kerio | not lossless |
| 12:14.31 | lcuk | fade would be destructive |
| 12:14.36 | pupnik_ | wrong |
| 12:14.43 | kerio | You can directly cut, copy, paste or change the volume with no need to decompress your files for audio editing. |
| 12:14.55 | kerio | fading requires reencoding |
| 12:14.57 | asj_ | pupnik_: if you already know everything why ask? :) |
| 12:14.59 | lcuk | global volume of varying along the track? |
| 12:15.06 | lcuk | asj_, conversation |
| 12:15.15 | pupnik_ | you can globally adjust volume of a frame without time_domain->frequency_domain->time_domain |
| 12:15.20 | lcuk | and finding alternatives |
| 12:15.36 | pupnik_ | er other way round |
| 12:15.37 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 12:15.41 | MohammadAG51 | synaptics runs |
| 12:15.43 | pupnik_ | freq-time-freq |
| 12:15.45 | asj_ | anyways, you can do all this in linux |
| 12:15.47 | kerio | that's not editing the audio btw |
| 12:15.52 | MohammadAG51 | should i package it properly and push to -devel? |
| 12:16.02 | ptl | there's audacity to N900 |
| 12:16.18 | lcuk | how do you install a package manager application without a package manager :P |
| 12:16.22 | ptl | *for the |
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| 12:16.40 | ptl | lcuk: untar it then dpkg -i it? |
| 12:16.47 | lcuk | shhh :p |
| 12:16.53 | pupnik_ | for content creators: if you record a lot of audio for any purpose, you're going to want to be able to edit that quickly and sanely - not transcoding to wav and writing to giant files |
| 12:17.00 | lcuk | ponders such silly things - itsl ike self compiling compilers |
| 12:17.03 | MohammadAG51 | <lcuk> how do you install a package manager application without a package manager :P |
| 12:17.04 | asj_ | there's a tool call mp3cut that's Xaw based to cut and I think paste mp3 frames, it's ancient, almost pointless and not maintained, and of couse there's a pick of command line toold for gain |
| 12:17.05 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get |
| 12:17.08 | MohammadAG51 | :) |
| 12:17.26 | ptl | apt-get is a package manager |
| 12:17.29 | lcuk | but when apt-get was being written (and dpkg it uses).. |
| 12:18.04 | pupnik_ | hmm forgot about that one asj_ ty |
| 12:18.04 | kerio | ./configure && make && sudo make install |
| 12:18.06 | asj_ | pupnik_: as a content creator, and someone who's been doing huge audio weekly for years 1gig isn't bit anymore, and you want find grained control like audacity since you're probably multitracking it anyways |
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| 12:19.22 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, see how debootstrap works :) |
| 12:19.44 | MohammadAG51 | yay |
| 12:19.52 | MohammadAG51 | synaptics works great |
| 12:20.09 | lcuk | cool |
| 12:20.13 | MohammadAG51 | aptitude segfaulted |
| 12:20.33 | MohammadAG51 | guess i'll have to dump aptitude and 'work' on synaptics |
| 12:21.06 | asj_ | I would really like a good id3v2 editor for n900, the existing one is good for artwork, sucky for tags, I command someone! fix it! ;) |
| 12:21.31 | MohammadAG51 | mussorgsky's good imo |
| 12:21.52 | asj_ | MohammadAG51: it's missing tags |
| 12:22.01 | lcuk | puts his arms out wide, calls out to the god of linux to come swooping down and kick asj_'s ass for assuming they are his personal army |
| 12:22.17 | asj_ | lcuk: what else are they? ;) |
| 12:22.24 | lcuk | start building it and speccing it out and others will join |
| 12:22.59 | asj_ | lcuk: i wish that worked for the less glamouress ideas |
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| 12:23.21 | lcuk | it works for any idea if you are determined enough |
| 12:23.37 | asj_ | MohammadAG51: for example it can't change genra |
| 12:24.19 | lcuk | today, i am mostly fixing up issues in liqbase whilst writing a spec for something |
| 12:24.25 | lcuk | will be >>> #liqbase |
| 12:24.59 | asj_ | but mossorgky's ui and ideas are great, I love how when you select a field it shows you all fields that already exist |
| 12:25.13 | asj_ | anyways, bed time |
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| 12:33.14 | pupnik_ | i wish i had an 'energy pedometer' for all the subunits in my device |
| 12:33.25 | pupnik_ | so i could track how much i use over time in terms of backlight vs cpu, etc |
| 12:33.57 | pupnik_ | give me a team of college interns :P |
| 12:34.37 | lcuk | pupnik_, needs to know the energy consumption estimate for each component - SpeedEvil is working on such a thing - then based on reading the levels of each can guestimate how much the rest is doing |
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| 12:36.03 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: you know about the bq thing? |
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| 12:36.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz - originally a script from ShadowJK - to show battery state |
| 12:36.58 | SpeedEvil | every 5s with -r |
| 12:37.00 | pupnik_ | yeah ain't it great |
| 12:37.21 | pupnik_ | now a little pedometer with history |
| 12:37.41 | pupnik_ | and status reports for community/nokia (time of day, agv use of diff components) |
| 12:37.51 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 12:37.55 | SpeedEvil | that part is hard |
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| 12:38.05 | SpeedEvil | I'm working on it - but life is getting in the way. |
| 12:38.08 | lcuk | hmm SpeedEvil ? |
| 12:38.10 | lcuk | why hard |
| 12:38.21 | SpeedEvil | average use of diff components |
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| 12:38.38 | SpeedEvil | Last second, the average current was 340mA - say. |
| 12:38.44 | lcuk | ahh yeah from that side - i thought you meant the uploading side |
| 12:38.46 | SpeedEvil | The backlight was on - that's trivial. |
| 12:39.09 | SpeedEvil | how do you allocate the remaining 100% of CPU to processes - that's again fairly easy |
| 12:39.09 | ShadowJK | it's always last 5.12 seconds too |
| 12:39.11 | SpeedEvil | by CPU time |
| 12:39.24 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I'm unsure it's a simple unfiltered sample |
| 12:39.29 | pupnik_ | well i imagine it would be in our and nokias interests to collect some voluntary usage data |
| 12:39.33 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, if it was liqbase |
| 12:39.42 | tremby | hi, folks. i just tried to update my n900 and i got this http://sprunge.us/RALf -- account-plugin-salut is giving errors |
| 12:39.45 | lcuk | mostly i could tell based on what i was drawing in those timeslices |
| 12:39.50 | pupnik_ | maybe issue each reporter a key, to help filter out spam/trash |
| 12:40.05 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: Then - how do you allocate the remaining power against processes? |
| 12:40.25 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: For example - you may have to look at per-process net access - which there is no record of. |
| 12:40.33 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, last 5 seconds were spent rendering 34 frames of bookreader |
| 12:40.37 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: Or you might want to track who activated the GPS |
| 12:40.39 | SpeedEvil | Or ... |
| 12:40.39 | pupnik_ | there's no point generating artificial numbers really. if something is aggregated in the remainder, just give a help screen showing what it includes |
| 12:40.48 | pupnik_ | oh i see |
| 12:40.49 | ShadowJK | I don't think I've ever seen more than about 350mA use with screen at middle setting and CPU use at 100%.. |
| 12:40.56 | SpeedEvil | The ideal is powertop. |
| 12:41.03 | SpeedEvil | But sorted by actual power usage. |
| 12:41.10 | SpeedEvil | wakeups is at best a poor metric. |
| 12:41.26 | ShadowJK | Nah, it's excellent for figuring out power use during idle |
| 12:41.32 | SpeedEvil | (the intel powertop) |
| 12:41.41 | ShadowJK | Not useful at all for measuring non-standby use |
| 12:41.44 | SpeedEvil | It's really not. |
| 12:41.46 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 12:42.05 | SpeedEvil | for anything but absolutely idle, it's not much use |
| 12:42.35 | SpeedEvil | The power usage of something that wakes every second can vary dramatically, for reasons I've not nailed down |
| 12:42.38 | pupnik_ | so users might want useful estimates of more detailed per-process power use, numbers which may or may not be useful to developers. |
| 12:42.44 | lcuk | how well do desktop widgets currently track usage |
| 12:42.51 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: not at all. |
| 12:42.59 | SpeedEvil | They're all lumped in with hildon-desktop |
| 12:43.01 | lcuk | or rather, their visible state - if i have an rss widget thats on a different desktop |
| 12:43.03 | SpeedEvil | which sucks |
| 12:43.06 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 12:43.06 | lcuk | does it refresh its contents |
| 12:43.07 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 12:43.16 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning wrt powertop |
| 12:43.24 | lcuk | even if x11 then does not show the results |
| 12:43.34 | lcuk | you could hook into x11 to see whats changing its ui |
| 12:43.49 | lcuk | would not be perfect |
| 12:43.57 | lcuk | but would give indication of whats working |
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| 12:44.11 | SpeedEvil | Generally the more you hook into, the more your power use |
| 12:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 12:44.34 | lcuk | agreed |
| 12:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | use batgraph to discharge battery |
| 12:44.49 | lcuk | but this is for monitoring |
| 12:45.20 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: On the other side - it can be hard to disentangle the usage from monitoring from real. |
| 12:45.24 | lcuk | schrodingers box app |
| 12:45.39 | kerio | heh |
| 12:45.41 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: In many ways - when the backlight or wifi or ... is active. |
| 12:45.46 | lcuk | you cannot tell how much battery it will use until you open the app |
| 12:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 12:45.56 | SpeedEvil | You - almost - don't care about what else the app does. |
| 12:45.58 | lcuk | and when you open it, the battery will be alive or dead |
| 12:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | mostly dead |
| 12:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | after you opened it |
| 12:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | maybe was alive before you did |
| 12:46.37 | lcuk | oh owwwww jesus i just cvrushed one of my knackers |
| 12:46.57 | SpeedEvil | passes lcuk a couple of bricks. |
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| 12:47.38 | crashanddie | chem|st: cool. Then go moderator general, it's chaos in there |
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| 12:48.34 | kerio | sticky modifiers are weird |
| 12:48.59 | kerio | shift+è is mapped to the dead accent |
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| 12:49.17 | kerio | yet, if i type shift and then è, i get à |
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| 12:49.42 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.46 | D-Iivil | Hola! |
| 12:49.48 | jacekowski | power consumption by specific apps? |
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| 12:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | the whole sticky keys part is completely borked |
| 12:50.53 | crashanddie | is tempted to ask for mod status again |
| 12:51.15 | crashanddie | though, being able to shout at people without thinking about the other mod's reputation is good, too. |
| 12:51.36 | crashanddie | Maybe we should just need an admin account for moderation... |
| 12:51.38 | jacekowski | pay lot of cash to somebody |
| 12:51.40 | D-Iivil | What should I do to be able to build packages straight on my N900? Already installed build-essential -package, but dpkg-buildpackage gives me errors pointing to rules-file? |
| 12:51.42 | jacekowski | and you might get ir |
| 12:51.53 | jacekowski | it* |
| 12:52.06 | D-Iivil | Same package builds nicely on scratchbox |
| 12:52.08 | crashanddie | jacekowski: nha, getting mod status isn't a problem I believe |
| 12:52.18 | lcuk | D-Iivil, its a shame dpkg-buildpackage doesnt totally work |
| 12:52.30 | jacekowski | crashanddie: i was thinking the same about my visa |
| 12:52.30 | lcuk | i think mostly its gnutools that require it |
| 12:52.35 | lcuk | i once walked through the process |
| 12:52.40 | crashanddie | D-Iivil: it's an issue on the device, compilation works fine, but package building is pretty hardcore |
| 12:52.44 | lcuk | a maemo specific dpkg-buildpagage would be AWESOME |
| 12:52.47 | jacekowski | crashanddie: and you see how it worked ou |
| 12:52.48 | jacekowski | out* |
| 12:52.56 | crashanddie | jacekowski: true |
| 12:52.57 | D-Iivil | Aah.. okay then :/ |
| 12:52.59 | chem|st | crashanddie: thanks for the hint... Captain Obvious |
| 12:53.10 | lcuk | D-Iivil, hold on though ive got some links |
| 12:53.11 | crashanddie | chem|st: anytime :P |
| 12:53.21 | lcuk | http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/08/12/how-to-create-a-deb-package-for-maemo-without-scratchbox/ |
| 12:53.39 | chem|st | sometimes I think the others just delete spam... |
| 12:53.44 | lcuk | damn whos been nicking my bookmarks |
| 12:53.48 | lcuk | i had a bunch of them together |
| 12:53.54 | lcuk | khertan has pypackager |
| 12:54.02 | lcuk | which does same but packing up only small simple python apps |
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| 12:54.42 | lcuk | i think it would be feasible to do |
| 12:54.45 | chem|st | crashanddie: you should go for it, I honestly did not understand why you quit in the first place |
| 12:54.51 | lcuk | just takes going through dpkg and altering its scripts |
| 12:54.56 | crashanddie | chem|st: because of geneven |
| 12:54.58 | lcuk | to use either maemo specifics or gnu tools |
| 12:55.01 | lcuk | in new locations |
| 12:55.12 | chem|st | crashanddie: thats a person and not a reason |
| 12:55.24 | Macer | haha |
| 12:55.59 | Macer | chem|st: some people quit being german because of hitler |
| 12:56.03 | chem|st | it's a simple rule! If it gets personal ask someone else to take over if they don't by themself |
| 12:56.11 | crashanddie | Macer: godwin's law |
| 12:56.21 | chem|st | Macer: godwin's! |
| 12:56.48 | chem|st | doh you've been faster |
| 12:56.58 | crashanddie | that's what she said |
| 12:57.03 | crashanddie | no wait, that's not a good thing. |
| 12:57.06 | Termana | lol |
| 12:57.10 | Macer | :) |
| 12:57.38 | Macer | how is n900 meego going? |
| 12:57.39 | chem|st | Macer: what did you want to tell? |
| 12:58.01 | Macer | what did i want to tell? |
| 12:58.12 | D-Iivil | lcuk, thanks. Will read it later :) Actually I just want to create source packages for autobuilder on the go :P |
| 12:58.20 | lcuk | D-Iivil, indeed - me too |
| 12:58.25 | lcuk | i build on device often |
| 12:58.37 | lcuk | and being able to do so would allow development from any os |
| 12:58.47 | lcuk | with just an editor and a console on the remote end |
| 12:58.53 | Macer | lcuk: sounds slow |
| 12:58.53 | lcuk | everything can be done with ssh :) |
| 12:58.57 | chem|st | Macer: you tried to point a saver argument but forgot about godwin, so you compare geneve with hitler? |
| 12:59.01 | D-Iivil | lcuk, exactly! |
| 12:59.04 | lcuk | Macer, normal developer apps are small |
| 12:59.17 | lcuk | liqflow builds from source on my n900 in less than 10 seconds |
| 12:59.17 | D-Iivil | Well. Gotta go now, cya later :) |
| 12:59.22 | Macer | chem|st: you said that is a person and not a reason |
| 12:59.28 | lcuk | and if i just edit a couple of source files rebuilding is <3seconds |
| 12:59.29 | Macer | people can be reasons :) |
| 12:59.53 | Macer | lcuk: i tried usimg mencoder on the n900 |
| 13:00.04 | Macer | talk about not worth it :) |
| 13:00.23 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 13:00.27 | Macer | i thought it woud get better than 2fps |
| 13:00.28 | chem|st | Macer: the people didn't quit because of hitler |
| 13:01.03 | lcuk | they quit because they forgot to put towel on their house |
| 13:01.15 | lcuk | and someone else got their before them |
| 13:01.20 | Macer | chem|st: heh. ok. well. dont really want to discuss metaphorical hitler. |
| 13:01.40 | lcuk | actually - in an all german hotel, is there a race at sunset to place towels for the next day |
| 13:01.45 | Macer | you should be able to understand the point |
| 13:01.48 | chem|st | Macer: ;) metaphorical hitler is a reason ;) |
| 13:02.37 | chem|st | lcuk: that can be an all british, netherlandish or anything hotel... |
| 13:03.20 | chem|st | the race does depend on the people not the country they are from |
| 13:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Macer: it does - in some cases |
| 13:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | as long as enough of them are Germans :-P |
| 13:03.51 | SpeedEvil | mencoder that is |
| 13:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | you'll see the towel-race |
| 13:04.20 | Macer | SpeedEvil: im sure but i was scaling down a 720p video to n900 size |
| 13:04.22 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ?? |
| 13:04.34 | lcuk | chem|st, german tourists are known for their towel antics, just as english tourists are known for their boozing etc |
| 13:04.42 | Macer | it didnt go too well :) |
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| 13:05.00 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its an amusing trait |
| 13:05.07 | chem|st | lcuk: I was in a 99% british hotel and the towel race was just the same |
| 13:05.34 | lcuk | yeah, the 1% germans would get all the seats otherwise :p |
| 13:05.38 | chem|st | stereotypes do meet for the loudest but not in general |
| 13:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: LOL |
| 13:06.10 | lcuk | chem|st, sure |
| 13:06.15 | chem|st | lcuk: actually we have been the only german couple there and we didn't go for it... |
| 13:06.21 | lcuk | tis just a bit of light hearted banted |
| 13:06.23 | lcuk | banter |
| 13:06.30 | chem|st | ;) |
| 13:06.47 | lcuk | hahaha chem|st |
| 13:07.02 | lcuk | so what tactics did you use |
| 13:07.29 | chem|st | history class in yorkshire told me that for all bad that happened to the brits the germans are held responsible |
| 13:07.29 | lcuk | also, its more defined in hotels where beachfront loungers are in short supply |
| 13:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | I like to wait for them at the bar, and laugh at them as I'm drunk while they don't get a seat - well that's what I'd like to do |
| 13:07.51 | lcuk | tats the wrong way round |
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| 13:08.09 | lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 13:08.46 | chem|st | lcuk: it's more like if the people are between 40 and 60 years old you get that race no matter where they are from |
| 13:09.02 | lcuk | chem|st, thats a reasonable assessment |
| 13:09.18 | lcuk | and the upper age bracket have weapons |
| 13:09.39 | lcuk | "you young'uns come near my lounger .o/ |
| 13:09.43 | chem|st | lcuk: an australian couple and a greek started a fight about it, got close to a real beat up |
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| 13:09.57 | lcuk | o_O |
| 13:10.12 | lcuk | right >>> i have code to play with |
| 13:10.29 | lcuk | tries to fix portrait transitions on dynamic rotation |
| 13:10.47 | chem|st | I wasn't even close (balkony) but was able to understand the whole argument like being right next to them |
| 13:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | 50 on the aussie |
| 13:11.35 | chem|st | lcuk: play? got 70k lines of delphi to "play" with... |
| 13:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | yumm delphi |
| 13:12.13 | lcuk | chem|st, http://liqbase.net/20100626_005.mp4 :) |
| 13:12.22 | lcuk | playtime |
| 13:12.45 | lcuk | using n900 in portrait is strange without a keyboard |
| 13:12.55 | sejo | hmm does n900 support h.264 encoding? |
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| 13:13.22 | sejo | just used it with handbrake but it seems my n900 connot play it |
| 13:13.37 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 13:13.47 | Andy80 | anyone can give me more information about this contest http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 ? |
| 13:14.07 | Arkenoi | Is there a hack to make ctrl-shift-R effect persistent? |
| 13:14.38 | lcuk | Arkenoi, its not global yet so some of the system apps dont operate perfectly |
| 13:14.43 | chem|st | sejo: which container? |
| 13:15.01 | lcuk | Arkenoi, more and more is turning portrait day by day though Arkenoi |
| 13:15.14 | lcuk | -Arkenoi |
| 13:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | alas I never was too happy with kylix |
| 13:16.22 | Arkenoi | lcuk: that's ok, i prefer "not turning" the phone when it is not needed instead of having to press ctrl-shift-R in all application that need turning every time ;-) |
| 13:16.33 | lcuk | Arkenoi, sure |
| 13:16.45 | lcuk | what you should do however is report this to the app developers |
| 13:17.16 | lcuk | say "i am happy using your app using ctrl+shift+r and your app works well, perhaps you could tweak to rotate by default" or offer a patch to do the same |
| 13:18.46 | sejo | chemist what? |
| 13:18.58 | sejo | (first time I ever encoded or did something similar) |
| 13:19.09 | sejo | I use an mkv file |
| 13:19.39 | sejo | with H.264 encoding (trying again with mpeg-4 FFmpeg) |
| 13:21.06 | crashanddie | "Eight percent of Russians believe their national team will win the World Cup, despite the fact that it never qualified for the tournament, an independent poll has showed." |
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| 13:22.41 | b-man | crashanddie: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/03/disco-chair-is-way-cooler-than-its-name-would-lead-you-to-believ/ LOL |
| 13:23.39 | Arkenoi | lcuk: yes, but i want that now ;-) |
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| 13:26.25 | chem|st | sejo: x264 mkv with mplayer works... |
| 13:26.31 | chem|st | sejo: with mediaplayer too |
| 13:27.14 | chem|st | sejo: can you provide a sample please?! |
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| 13:28.57 | lbt | for those in the UK that care : http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/laurie-penny/2010/07/digital-economy-act-rights#reader-comments |
| 13:29.04 | Arkenoi | chem: for me it did not |
| 13:29.53 | pupnik | Texrat's presentation at Akademy 2010: "User feedback framework" http://qik.com/video/8561492 |
| 13:30.12 | pupnik | thanks to cybette for the video |
| 13:30.16 | Arkenoi | chem|st, http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/Futurama_6_season_%5btfile.ru%5d/Futurama.%20Season%206.%20Episode%201.mkv |
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| 13:30.44 | Arkenoi | does not play from media player and damn ugly with mplayer |
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| 13:32.55 | alterego | Arkenoi: you know distributing copyrighted material is illegal right? |
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| 13:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: LOL |
| 13:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | to whom it may concern: I got a cheap wallwart USB charger with A-receptacle (and a nice 2color LED to show current). I openend it and soldered a short to receptacle's D+/- pins - now it works like a charm with N900 + CA-101 cable. While without shorted D+/- it never did *any* charging at all |
| 13:39.01 | pupnik | is all legislation "law-ful"? are there any tests or standards for legislative acts whereby we can discern between 'law' and illegitimate usurpation of power? |
| 13:39.20 | jacekowski | pupnik: constitution |
| 13:39.46 | jacekowski | pupnik: everything HAS to comply with constitution otherwise it's illegal |
| 13:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | and you got to find a supreme court to decide on that condition :-P |
| 13:40.44 | pupnik | that's one answer. another is that we can derive which codes are compatible with survival and individual rights |
| 13:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise it's legal even if it doesn't comply |
| 13:41.01 | jacekowski | in poland there is something called Constitutional Tribunal |
| 13:41.10 | alterego | pupnik, that's why we have courts, t5o decide if hings were unlawful and illegal after the fact. That's how gov't can get away with screwing you over :) |
| 13:41.12 | pupnik | there's an interesting podcast on that here: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2009/06/epstein_on_the.html |
| 13:41.26 | pupnik | "Richard Epstein of the University of Chicago and Stanford University's Hoover Institution talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about the rule of law." |
| 13:41.36 | lcuk | pupnik, post texrats presentation here! |
| 13:41.37 | jacekowski | and they are required to check if law complies with constitution |
| 13:41.43 | crashanddie | jacekowski: in France it's the "Conseil Constitutionnel", the longest word in french is even "anticonstitutionnellement" |
| 13:41.53 | pupnik | i don't have that - maybe linked in meego forum lcuk |
| 13:41.56 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I'm guessing every country has that |
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| 13:42.23 | lcuk | <pupnik> Texrat's presentation at Akademy 2010: "User feedback framework" http://qik.com/video/8561492 ty cybette for the video |
| 13:42.30 | lcuk | you just had it a moment ago pupnik :p |
| 13:42.35 | alterego | For instant, some of our (UK) anti terrorism laws, which are in effect very eavily here have been deemed against basic human rights in the European couurts. It'll take ages for that to eventually make a difference, especially as the police are now so used to ttheirr extra bs privs ... :( |
| 13:43.12 | crashanddie | such as what? |
| 13:43.15 | jacekowski | poland was 1st country in europe that had constitution |
| 13:43.15 | crashanddie | Asking people for ID? |
| 13:43.17 | pupnik | i already posted that lcuk |
| 13:43.17 | alterego | Longesxt English word is "antidisestablishmentarianism" :) |
| 13:43.26 | crashanddie | Oh yeah, now there's a human rights violation |
| 13:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | probably except USA, crashanddie. I heard they decide everything based n prior instance |
| 13:43.38 | lcuk | pupnik, i saw it on meego but not here! |
| 13:43.41 | Arkenoi | alterego, well, i have no other media sample to show the problem :-( |
| 13:43.48 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: well, it's the land of the free, innit? |
| 13:43.58 | chem|st | Arkenoi: a sample... |
| 13:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: hehe, yes |
| 13:44.19 | chem|st | Arkenoi: means 20 seconds of what he encoded |
| 13:44.26 | alterego | Arkenoi: well, I don't mind. I was just saying ;) |
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| 13:45.29 | ShadowJK | The built-in media player only supports h264 baseline. Most files in the wild are main or high profile. MPlayer supports high profile, but it runs out of CPU power at about 512x384 or so.. |
| 13:45.37 | chem|st | Arkenoi: what do you mean by damn ugly with mplayer? |
| 13:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where you people get the longest words from. And have fun finding the longest German word :-P |
| 13:45.54 | pupnik | well constitutions don't appear sui generis - they are grounded in a framework of custom and an understanding of rightful vs illetitimate uses of power. the legal theory behind that is the subject of the above-linked podcast. it is very illuminating. |
| 13:45.55 | chem|st | ShadowJK: right... |
| 13:46.03 | Arkenoi | chem|st, sound out of sync, picture distortion sometimes |
| 13:46.10 | lcuk | how do rss feeder apps know when to "pull" new data |
| 13:46.20 | Arkenoi | and seems that it is just too slow :-( |
| 13:46.21 | ShadowJK | Sound out of sync is what happens when it can't decode video fast enough to keep up |
| 13:46.41 | lcuk | is there an ajax method for server to say new item ready |
| 13:46.47 | lcuk | or do they just poll |
| 13:47.00 | kerio | ajax is always polling |
| 13:47.12 | lcuk | kerio, really |
| 13:47.15 | chem|st | Arkenoi: ok thats a known issue as ShadowJK said |
| 13:47.26 | Arkenoi | ShadowJK, why not to have -framedrop as default option at least? |
| 13:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I seem to remember somebody cheering "HAH! it's been the silly subtitles! without them it works" |
| 13:47.38 | kerio | websockets on the other hand, allows for push |
| 13:47.39 | lcuk | ajax i thought opened a connection and used data pushed down it to detect stuffs |
| 13:47.42 | lardman | re |
| 13:47.46 | lcuk | hey lardman \o |
| 13:47.46 | Arkenoi | i did not manage to get it viewed with command line mplayer at all though :-( |
| 13:47.54 | lardman | hey lcuk |
| 13:47.57 | jacekowski | well, longest polish word is konstantynopolitanczykiewiczowna |
| 13:47.59 | ShadowJK | press d on the keyboard to enable framedropping |
| 13:48.05 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, weird :-) |
| 13:48.27 | ShadowJK | Though in practice this most of the time means nothing is displayed ever, if the gap in CPU power neeed and CPU power available is big |
| 13:49.09 | lardman | so, dbus in Qt, does QDBus work? |
| 13:49.10 | Arkenoi | and why does media player not recognize it as valid media file? |
| 13:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I even seen cases where cpu load on skipping frames was *higher* than on normal playback :-P |
| 13:49.17 | jacekowski | codecs |
| 13:49.27 | jacekowski | media player is using gstreamer |
| 13:49.32 | jacekowski | mplayer has it's own codecs |
| 13:50.03 | chem|st | jacekowski: Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia = fear of long words |
| 13:50.04 | ShadowJK | Arkenoi, it's most likely h264 high profile. The media player only supports h264 baseline. |
| 13:50.26 | Arkenoi | ShadowJK, and "extra decoders support" does not change it? |
| 13:50.44 | jacekowski | Arkenoi: no |
| 13:50.45 | ShadowJK | Nope |
| 13:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: LOL |
| 13:50.49 | kerio | it's not about the codec |
| 13:50.55 | jacekowski | kerio: it is |
| 13:51.14 | ShadowJK | Besides, if extra decoders support did have support for h264 main/high profile, it'd be as slow (or slower) as MPlayer :-) |
| 13:51.31 | kerio | jacekowski: got a magic x264 decoder that allows for 1080p playback on n900? |
| 13:51.38 | kerio | (smooth playback, i mean) |
| 13:51.46 | ShadowJK | There isn't one :) |
| 13:51.50 | kerio | yeah, i know |
| 13:51.54 | jacekowski | kerio: n900 SoC is fast enough to handle it |
| 13:52.09 | jacekowski | at least that's what TI is claiming for little bit faster chip |
| 13:52.11 | kerio | really? |
| 13:52.17 | ShadowJK | Though allegedly TI has one that can do 720p, if you pay them in truckloads of cash |
| 13:52.38 | ShadowJK | Or maybe it was someone else, not TI, but for omap3.. hugely expensive atleast |
| 13:52.47 | MohammadAG | lcuk, ger/arg? |
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| 13:52.53 | lardman | isn't that the dsp codec that you pay for though? |
| 13:52.57 | jacekowski | a saw somewhere that tegra with similiar dsp is capable of 1080p |
| 13:53.00 | ShadowJK | lardman, yeah? |
| 13:53.09 | ShadowJK | "similar"? wtf? :) |
| 13:53.19 | ShadowJK | I thought tegra would have nvidia decoder in it |
| 13:53.21 | jacekowski | in terms of performance |
| 13:53.21 | lardman | can our hw theoretically decode 720p? |
| 13:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: sure |
| 13:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: question is: how many seconds per frame? |
| 13:53.59 | ShadowJK | And what codec :) |
| 13:54.02 | jacekowski | well, 1080p can be decoded on 1,3GHz general purpose CPU |
| 13:54.06 | lardman | ah I see, I was thinking real-time |
| 13:54.07 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, LOL |
| 13:54.26 | ShadowJK | my 2.66GHz struggles with some 720p files even |
| 13:54.32 | lardman | is there any data giving required memory accesses/muls/adds/etc to decode a frame? |
| 13:54.40 | jacekowski | well, my 1.3GHz athlon could decode 1080p |
| 13:54.50 | jacekowski | at 23.something fps |
| 13:54.52 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, do yo still have it? |
| 13:54.55 | jacekowski | with minimal framedrop |
| 13:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: probably the websites of the codec inventor labs will quote some numbers |
| 13:55.23 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: no |
| 13:55.58 | Arkenoi | well, those "samples" are not 1080p. actually they are 720x480 and still n900 is too slow for it? |
| 13:56.15 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 13:56.17 | jacekowski | correction |
| 13:56.21 | jacekowski | that was 720p |
| 13:56.33 | jacekowski | Final.Fantasy.VII.Advent.Children.Multilang.2005.720p.XviD.AC3.[SoftLand.org.pl].mkv |
| 13:56.52 | ShadowJK | Arkenoi, h264 main or high profile with MPlayer, resolution limit is at 512x384 or lower |
| 13:56.54 | pupnik | "You have to decide, what you really want to do" |
| 13:57.02 | ShadowJK | h264 baseline profile with built in media player, 800x480 |
| 13:57.09 | jacekowski | so 720p is possible on 1.3GHz generic purpose cpu |
| 13:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | ooh there's another topic on my stack: did some tests with a Nokia wired remote 7-button. No conclusive results on what they do exactly to transmit/encode the button press events to the 4-pin AV connector :-/ |
| 13:57.54 | jacekowski | on n900 there is GPU and DSP and VFP and NEON and ARM that can handle decoding in parallel |
| 13:58.02 | jacekowski | if codec is designed properly |
| 13:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | but for sure it's not an R-ladder |
| 13:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | and for sure there's some digital logic involved |
| 13:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^ |
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| 13:58.57 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, dunno, but when I connect it to a phone that does understand 7-button remote, each button press produces a dit-dot-dit-dot sound in the background. This sound is lower on volume than the background hiss on N8x0, however. There's no such noise when I connect it to devices that do not understand 7-button remote, so the remote isn't even transmitting |
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| 13:59.19 | SpeedEvil | ESTACKOVERFLOW |
| 13:59.40 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, vfp, neon and arm are limited by instruction decode and issue |
| 13:59.53 | ShadowJK | dsp and arm core would need to be able to exchange data very fast |
| 14:00.11 | ShadowJK | It's a 5 man year task or thereabouts ;) |
| 14:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yup, that's conclusive. I wasn't able to probe mic resistance with a DMM on diode check setting |
| 14:00.15 | jacekowski | not that fast |
| 14:00.18 | lardman | yeees, well I wonder if that works better now than it used to |
| 14:00.28 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: you just need to decode as much as you can and push it to next core |
| 14:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | so probably they work with voltages >2V for micbias |
| 14:01.16 | ShadowJK | Well it'd be interesting to try do cabac on either dsp or cpu, that's the easiest thing you can decouple |
| 14:01.33 | lardman | ~cabac |
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| 14:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, on N900 i wasn't able to get *any* reaction with that critter, on button push. So guess we're out of luck to hack sth in sw |
| 14:02.03 | jacekowski | i hate wireless |
| 14:02.13 | jacekowski | i can't play 720p over wireless |
| 14:02.17 | ShadowJK | lardman, context adaptive binary arithmetic coding |
| 14:02.17 | lardman | passing large amounts of data back from the DSP was a problem on the omap2420 |
| 14:02.20 | ShadowJK | it's the entropy coding |
| 14:02.21 | lardman | thanks |
| 14:02.42 | ShadowJK | In h264 baseline you have a less processing intensive altenrative, cavlc |
| 14:03.13 | lardman | we can now write to the fb directly from the DSP so I understand? Like we used to do on the 770, which would make it far more appealing |
| 14:03.35 | Macer | hm |
| 14:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | hahahAAHA |
| 14:03.58 | Macer | i sure wish the email app had a setting to force storing of sent msgs to the imap server |
| 14:04.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Mueller!!!! |
| 14:04.45 | Macer | instead of the local sent |
| 14:04.51 | Macer | blah |
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| 14:05.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | shit. A 2:0 in <240s that would have been nice |
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| 14:09.10 | lardman | urgh, QDBus is confusing |
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| 14:09.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | QDbus? |
| 14:10.02 | lardman | yeah |
| 14:10.10 | lardman | well QDBus I guess |
| 14:10.23 | Termana | didn't you just say the same thing twice? |
| 14:10.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's that? |
| 14:10.35 | lardman | Termana: capitalisation ;) |
| 14:10.42 | lardman | DocScrutinizer51: DBus for Qt |
| 14:10.48 | lardman | or wrapped by Qt |
| 14:11.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah yes. thought almost as much |
| 14:11.06 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51, I meant lardman - he just said QDBus and then said QDBus again |
| 14:11.22 | lcuk | MohammadAG, no |
| 14:11.24 | lcuk | im coding |
| 14:11.25 | Termana | oh nevermind |
| 14:11.28 | lardman | :) |
| 14:11.36 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk |
| 14:11.40 | Termana | ~nuke Termana |
| 14:11.41 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Termana ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 14:12.02 | Macer | well... looks like win7 has built in disc image writing huh? |
| 14:12.02 | lardman | MASD |
| 14:12.41 | lardman | so who knows about getting hildon-mime to work under Qt? |
| 14:12.46 | Macer | hopefully it works |
| 14:12.58 | Termana | Macer, besides the fact Windows 7 is junk, Windows 7 features is old news now |
| 14:13.13 | lardman | nah, Win7 is nice cf Vista or XP |
| 14:15.01 | MohammadAG | lcuk, screw code |
| 14:15.06 | Termana | Vista is piece of crap x10. I'm not just spreading the same bullshit people spew over it either. Just today I spent 30 minutes doing some networking stuff (and it still won't work) on Vista. I can do the same thing in Ubuntu in less than 2 seconds :\ |
| 14:15.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 2 minute goal for germany |
| 14:15.34 | jacekowski | Termana: because you don't know how to do it |
| 14:15.44 | jacekowski | Termana: don't blame your lack of knowledge on operating system |
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| 14:15.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas they missed to goal the other 5 chances during first 300s |
| 14:16.09 | Macer | Termana: well. i just wasnt expecting the iso burning |
| 14:16.26 | Termana | jacekowski, funny. Except for the fact I had a perfectly working ICS system going, and then suddenly it stopped working and won't work again now. Even though nothing has changed. |
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| 14:16.51 | ShadowJK | oh, football |
| 14:17.12 | jacekowski | ICS doesn't like when devices disappera |
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| 14:17.15 | jacekowski | disappear* |
| 14:17.22 | Macer | Termana: i am not a big fan of os bashing... unless it is osx |
| 14:17.25 | Macer | :) |
| 14:17.33 | jacekowski | yeah, osx sucks |
| 14:17.35 | lcuk | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 14:17.40 | lcuk | scratches for some reason |
| 14:17.55 | loufoque_ | os x sucks almost as much as windows |
| 14:17.58 | Termana | jacekowski, ICS is crap. Windows is crap. End of story. Theres a little drop down menu in the networking settings that works 100% of the time to do the same thing |
| 14:18.07 | Termana | (in Ubuntu) |
| 14:18.07 | Macer | osx is overhyped ... nothing more |
| 14:18.28 | jacekowski | Termana: it doesn't |
| 14:18.39 | jacekowski | Termana: bridging is fubar in ubuntu |
| 14:18.43 | lardman | Dare I say it, Win7 just works, while Ubuntu is a pita |
| 14:18.47 | loufoque_ | what's ICS? International Chili Society? |
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| 14:18.54 | jacekowski | internet connection sharing |
| 14:19.13 | Macer | why not just use a $10 router? |
| 14:19.17 | Macer | :) |
| 14:19.18 | loufoque_ | lardman: well it's the other way around for me. Windows isn't even usable past xp |
| 14:19.18 | Termana | jacekowski, Whatever. I share my 3G connection over wifi everyday, with absolutely no thinking involved.. |
| 14:19.54 | loufoque_ | Termana: with your N900 as the mifi device? |
| 14:19.55 | lardman | loufoque_: I'm just in a bad mood as Ubuntu is falling to bits on my current box - monitors not working, etc |
| 14:20.04 | Termana | jacekowski, and you think "ICS doesn't like disappearing devices" is a good excuse for me to like Windows. Poor windows. It doesn't like disappearing devices. |
| 14:20.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | guess I'll get me a nice huge Filet of Argentina Angus |
| 14:20.20 | lardman | loufoque_: Might just be the fault of KDE of course, Gnome worked fine |
| 14:20.27 | loufoque_ | lardman: multiple monitors setup can fail to work with bad drivers |
| 14:20.32 | Macer | wow.. all i said was that i wasnt expecting iso burning support |
| 14:20.45 | Termana | loufoque_, no - I share my USB 3G connection, over wifi, to use my n810. I don't have an n900 yet. I'll be ordering mine around the 12th |
| 14:20.46 | Macer | crawls under a rock |
| 14:20.52 | lardman | loufoque_: one of Window's (few) advantages is that multi-head has always been easy to setup and get working |
| 14:21.05 | loufoque_ | Termana: and what device do you use to do that? |
| 14:21.27 | Macer | where's Stskeeps ? i havent seen him in a while? |
| 14:21.36 | Macer | is he off making babies? |
| 14:21.56 | Termana | loufoque_, what do you mean? The USB 3G dongle is a Huawei E160E and I just use my laptops wifi card |
| 14:22.09 | Termana | Macer, he was at a festival, I think he is back now |
| 14:23.29 | loufoque_ | Termana: your laptop then. |
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| 14:24.07 | loufoque_ | Termana: it would be cooler to have a router-like device dedicated to this as you wouldn't need your laptop to be on |
| 14:24.59 | Termana | loufoque_, maybe. I just can't be stuffed buying a router that accepts 3G USB dongles :P And its only an EEE PC (701SD) anyway. |
| 14:25.43 | Macer | blah |
| 14:25.48 | Macer | have to reboot |
| 14:25.58 | loufoque_ | some routers can run open source software and have usb ports |
| 14:29.21 | Termana | loufoque, What are you trying to say? I should buy an accessory to make it work, when using an OS that isn't craptastic solves the problem anyway? |
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| 14:34.33 | alterego | Mmmm, pizza |
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| 14:42.21 | GAN900 | I never thought pizza would be something I'd ever miss or crave |
| 14:43.03 | alterego | I get it every now-and-again. |
| 14:43.32 | alterego | That was just a couple of slices I had in the fridge from last night. |
| 14:43.37 | alterego | Tasted better cold tbh :D |
| 14:43.49 | alterego | Easier to eat too. |
| 14:45.36 | jacekowski | GAN900: pregnant womens get that sort of cravings |
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| 14:46.44 | alterego | That was low jacekowski :P |
| 14:47.17 | alterego | Texrats talk is pretty good pupnik |
| 14:47.22 | alterego | Thank you for sharing the link. |
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| 14:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: EEE PC 701 + 3G dongle. Sounds like you bought this in Taipei ;-P |
| 14:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: though mine is a 701SDX, in white |
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| 14:51.39 | alterego | Ooo, I really like the gaming ide.a |
| 14:51.47 | lcuk | hey guys |
| 14:51.50 | lcuk | maemo calculator |
| 14:51.52 | alterego | Aloha lcuk |
| 14:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | hey lcuk |
| 14:51.56 | lcuk | i just tested it in portrait mode |
| 14:51.59 | lcuk | and it was broke |
| 14:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | tztztzz |
| 14:52.07 | lcuk | its unusable |
| 14:52.14 | Termana | lcuk, give it some money |
| 14:52.19 | lcuk | needs a ui adjustment to work |
| 14:52.20 | Termana | It won't be broke any more |
| 14:52.21 | lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10854 |
| 14:52.22 | povbot | Bug 10854: portrait mode calculator not available |
| 14:52.23 | lcuk | i filed a bug |
| 14:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | use HP42. Works great, even in portrait :-P |
| 14:52.27 | lcuk | can we have some votes on it please |
| 14:53.27 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that bug is incorrect. Should read "found no adequate bin to dump calculator" |
| 14:53.47 | rodald | hi, does anyone know if i can use the TV Catchup app out of the UK? i live in Guatemala and it asks me to sign up first but it doesnt allow me to sign up |
| 14:53.54 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, not at all, its usable if im in landscape mode |
| 14:54.05 | lcuk | it happily performs its functin and i use it often |
| 14:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | TV Ketchup |
| 14:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 14:54.15 | lcuk | but i had to take my device off its portrait stand to use it |
| 14:54.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:54.32 | pahartik | finds out that "Irssi" on "Maemo" does not have "proxy" module§ |
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| 14:54.47 | lcuk | theres some other things i would like to make sure happens |
| 14:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: honestly I think even my wetware calculator is almost more usable than that silly proof of wrong concept |
| 14:55.07 | pahartik | finds out that "Irssi" on "Maemo" does not have "proxy" module |
| 14:55.47 | Termana | pahartik, please don't repeat yourself. This is IRC, we all saw what you said the first time :) |
| 14:56.10 | pahartik | Termana: But I corrected typo |
| 14:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: use ibot ;-P |
| 14:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~ (3 + 5) * 22 |
| 14:56.27 | infobot | 176 |
| 14:56.27 | rodald | hahha no it is a streaming app |
| 14:56.28 | pupnik | irssi also doesn't have perl m |
| 14:56.40 | pupnik | which is preventing me from robot-voice in irc |
| 14:57.39 | GAN900 | Anybody know how to get rid of the extra paragraph padding with epubs in FBReader? |
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| 14:58.22 | alterego | Ooo, I recognise that voice in the background asking a question .. |
| 14:58.30 | lcuk | ninja! |
| 14:58.45 | lcuk | just watched "Taxi 2" yesterday and giggles |
| 14:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: though my 701SDX has freggled OS (not that it ever been a really working flavour of linux), and for the life of mine I can't get a decent OS installed - to be precise I got no extrenal optical drive to boot from :-S |
| 15:00.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: network? |
| 15:00.29 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, why not use a USB stick or SD card? Thats how I load linux OSes onto mine. |
| 15:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I am eaiting for python module & support for xchat... |
| 15:00.40 | alterego | Grrr, |
| 15:00.50 | luke-jr | Termana: I don't have a USB stick either, and my Aspire One wouldn't boot from SD |
| 15:01.23 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: tried, probably I'm too retarded to get a USB-stick bootable |
| 15:01.49 | Termana | luke-jr, yeah, but he has a 701SDX and mines a 701SD, they are probably using mostly the same components. Theres a possibility thats not the case though. |
| 15:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: s/eaiting/waiting/ |
| 15:02.07 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, you are going into the boot menu when you have the USB stick in right? (By pressing Esc) |
| 15:02.22 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: well, USB stick is probably easier than network booting |
| 15:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:04.00 | jacekowski | network boot is quite simple |
| 15:04.08 | jacekowski | if we are talking about wired ethernet |
| 15:04.09 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, tried Network booting? |
| 15:05.16 | jacekowski | all device has to do is talk to dhcp, pull image from tftp and run it |
| 15:06.32 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ I use this to make mine bootable and it loads the iso on as well all by itself - so I'm not fiddling around with it all. |
| 15:06.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: dunno (it's collecting dust since lot longer than 1 year), but probably not |
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| 15:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: that URL is an image to copy yo usb stick? |
| 15:09.06 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51, no, its to a program that extracts the iso and makes your usb stick bootable by itself, so you don't have to fiddle around. |
| 15:09.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah, k |
| 15:17.05 | alterego | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/02/apple_iphone_4_denial_letter/ |
| 15:17.08 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:23.29 | pupnik | nice alterego |
| 15:23.48 | alterego | It's refreshing listening to Apple fanbois on their forums ranting :D |
| 15:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: I'd guess I should be able to boot 701SDX from builtin SD-card reader? |
| 15:23.55 | alterego | Rather thana newbs on tmo ranting :D |
| 15:24.09 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, thats what I do with mine |
| 15:24.10 | alterego | Which, I might add, has severly decreased over the past two weeks I've noticed. |
| 15:24.16 | alterego | Or maybe I've been sleeping longer .. |
| 15:25.14 | alterego | Oh this is nice: "What they don't realise is that now; since this software patch (if it exists) all those who posted saying they don't see any signal drop will actually now see a signal drop as the bars will correctly show a new lower signal... before they were fooled to believe that they hadn't had any signal drop. |
| 15:25.19 | alterego | " |
| 15:25.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok. now 2 goals was about time |
| 15:26.24 | alterego | "Give it a chance at least. The logic could be that simple i.e. if Bars = 0 then drop call." Awww, they certainly are gullable that lot :D |
| 15:30.20 | alterego | "My feeling is that if the phone makes and receives calls clearly (both our iP4s do), then (at least to me), it's a non-issue. " |
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| 15:30.29 | alterego | Oh my god, they actually turn into Steve Jobs! |
| 15:31.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, 3-0 |
| 15:31.50 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 15:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | about to bolt my door |
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| 15:35.32 | jacekowski | who's playing? |
| 15:35.41 | jacekowski | arg-ger? |
| 15:35.47 | alterego | Germany and Argentina |
| 15:36.01 | jacekowski | i hope argentina is winning |
| 15:37.08 | luke-jr | ... |
| 15:37.47 | kerio | nope |
| 15:37.58 | kerio | 3-0 ger-arg |
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| 15:40.32 | luke-jr | kerio: stfu |
| 15:40.37 | luke-jr | :p |
| 15:40.45 | Lantizia | yeah! wait what? |
| 15:41.06 | luke-jr | this is #maemo, not #retarded-adults-playing-childrens-games |
| 15:41.12 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 15:41.24 | Appiah | ooooh SNAP! |
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| 15:44.36 | lardman | is the filemanager source available anywhere chaps? |
| 15:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 15:45.01 | lardman | :) |
| 15:45.12 | lardman | Do you know where? |
| 15:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | though, HFM itself I'm not sure |
| 15:45.26 | lardman | oh :( |
| 15:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | LOLOLOL |
| 15:45.44 | MohammadAG | ROFLMFAO |
| 15:45.58 | lardman | hmm |
| 15:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | please send photos of Maradonna to me! |
| 15:46.19 | MohammadAG | LMFAO |
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| 15:46.53 | MohammadAG | expects a 5th one |
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| 15:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | they have to hurry for the 5th |
| 15:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that AR whose players started a beatup when game was just finished? |
| 15:49.21 | Ikarus | heh |
| 15:51.28 | MohammadAG | I can haz +o to add "Germany for world cup 2010" to the topic? |
| 15:51.29 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 15:52.47 | jacekowski | i will haz you dos ed |
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| 15:52.55 | jacekowski | dos'ed |
| 15:53.06 | MohammadAG | good luck with that |
| 15:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | NAAAAH! |
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| 15:53.41 | jacekowski | wanna bet? |
| 15:54.04 | MohammadAG | nah, I don't want you to lose shit :) |
| 15:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, for [^(51)] I don't care that much :-P |
| 15:54.46 | MohammadAG | cya |
| 15:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | duh? |
| 15:55.03 | jacekowski | i was about to dos him |
| 15:55.05 | jacekowski | and he left |
| 15:55.27 | Termana | lol |
| 15:55.59 | Termana | Since its 1:30 in the morning here, I suppose I better be off as well. Good night |
| 15:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | night Termana |
| 15:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: keep your fingers off my bouncer :-P |
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| 16:01.21 | alterego | wonders off to make a snack before heading into the town ... |
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| 16:04.05 | GAN900 | The 4th just had to fall on a Sunday |
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| 16:05.46 | *** topic/#maemo by ChanServ -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Germany for world cup 2010 |
| 16:07.18 | crashanddie | jacekowski: be my guest, DoS ChanServ ;) |
| 16:07.21 | range | :) |
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| 16:20.58 | lardman | so, anyone know where the hildon filemanager source lives? iirc the backend lib was open wasn't it? |
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| 16:26.30 | lcuk | yes lardman the backend is open |
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| 16:41.59 | Jaffa | Af'noon, all |
| 16:42.28 | alterego | Jaffa, liked that open letter about OBS maemo area :) |
| 16:42.37 | Jaffa | alterego: lbt did most of the work ;-) |
| 16:42.55 | alterego | Well, he's not here, so you can have my appreciation :P |
| 16:43.08 | Jaffa | alterego: ta :) |
| 16:43.11 | alterego | Any feedback from LF? |
| 16:43.19 | Jaffa | None. |
| 16:43.20 | alterego | Or whomever :D |
| 16:43.25 | alterego | Oh, :/ |
| 16:43.27 | Jaffa | Not really; so I think we're going ahead |
| 16:43.38 | alterego | I liked the Nokia name drop too :D |
| 16:44.30 | alterego | Oh dear, time for another browser history purge :/ |
| 16:44.41 | alterego | Really makes auto complete pointless :D |
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| 16:50.44 | alterego | Grr, now the browser just fails to load pages, wtf. It looks like it tries and then gives up :( |
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| 16:54.44 | GAN900 | Oops |
| 16:54.58 | GAN900 | Jaffa, I actually think I prefer the interface of Docs. |
| 16:55.07 | GAN900 | Etherpad has some clunkiness. |
| 16:56.06 | kerio | for what? |
| 16:56.42 | GAN900 | kerio, mwkn.net issue creation. |
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| 16:57.41 | kerio | what's wrong with textarea? :P |
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| 16:59.21 | GAN900 | kerio, it means we have to build our collaboration environment from scratch? |
| 16:59.29 | GAN900 | Which is actually the plan, but. |
| 16:59.52 | Jaffa | GAN900: The new version of docs doesn't make it easy to rip out the plain text doc :-( |
| 17:00.18 | kerio | so far, pecan > haze and butterfly right? |
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| 17:07.28 | GAN900 | Ah |
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| 17:10.32 | strcpy | TEAM PlanB |
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| 18:11.20 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | where does the openvpn applet put its logs? |
| 18:12.06 | n1x0n | hi there, I know this is not a maemo-related question really - but I hope to there are some N900 owners here =] Basically trying to get N900 but apparently it has a simlock (?!) - I was under the impression that they don't have that (apparently that's from vodafone) , anyone had any experiencie with that by any chance ? |
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| 18:13.51 | crashanddie | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: nickname |
| 18:13.54 | luke-jr | n1x0n: never heard of a simlocked N900 |
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| 18:16.44 | n1x0n | luke-jr: yeah same! odd. I'll google a bit more, thx |
| 18:19.52 | timetochange | how do you highlight text to copy and paste from a webpage? |
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| 18:21.59 | crashanddie | timetochange: swipe your finger from the bottom left, outside of the screen into the screen |
| 18:22.17 | crashanddie | timetochange: you'll have a mouse cursor. Also works for Javascript hover. |
| 18:22.57 | crashanddie | timetochange: would you mind just changing the default nickname in your IRC client? Thanks. |
| 18:23.11 | crashanddie | timetochange: next time you'll be banned. I'm tired of asking. |
| 18:23.14 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:23.21 | luke-jr | what's wrong with it? |
| 18:23.30 | crashanddie | not this one, the previous one |
| 18:23.33 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 18:23.36 | luke-jr | what's wrong with it? :/ |
| 18:23.38 | crashanddie | he knows what I'm on about |
| 18:23.45 | crashanddie | it's jibberish? |
| 18:23.49 | timetochange | im not getting this cursor... |
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| 18:24.09 | luke-jr | so? |
| 18:24.15 | luke-jr | crashanddie is gibberish too |
| 18:24.16 | luke-jr | :D |
| 18:24.27 | crashanddie | sure |
| 18:24.49 | timetochange | bottom left, meaning over that arrow? |
| 18:24.56 | timetochange | I'm not getting a cursor |
| 18:25.03 | luke-jr | crashanddie: if it really bothers you, /ban ljsdofuynsdfufuh!*@* |
| 18:25.05 | crashanddie | "over that arrow"? |
| 18:25.15 | crashanddie | luke-jr: I'd rather he does it on his own. |
| 18:25.26 | crashanddie | luke-jr: but yeah, that's what'll happen eventually |
| 18:26.23 | timetochange | ah wtf |
| 18:26.25 | timetochange | saw it for a sec |
| 18:27.20 | timetochange | once i have it how do i highlight? |
| 18:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say a +q is absolutely sufficient in that case |
| 18:27.44 | crashanddie | once the cursor icon display, click it. Then you can drag your finger around |
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| 18:28.03 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: +q prevents nick change, so really the same as +b |
| 18:28.08 | luke-jr | is it just the length of the gibberish? |
| 18:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | is dragging around his fingers |
| 18:28.32 | luke-jr | /ban ??????????*!*@* to enforce IRC RFC :P |
| 18:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | /ban luke-jr to fight poisonous ideas |
| 18:30.10 | ptl | why is talk.maemo.org redirected again to internettablettalk? |
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| 18:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | damn, even registered |
| 18:31.29 | crashanddie | ptl: it doesn't |
| 18:31.37 | SpeedEvil | It is a synonym |
| 18:32.18 | timetochange | wow using that cursor is a fucking skill |
| 18:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | btw crashanddie while you're over it: /ban `* [* *___* |* ^* |
| 18:33.36 | ptl | I know it is a synonym, but now every thread I click goes on to internettablettalk instead of maemo.org |
| 18:33.50 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: eh? |
| 18:34.07 | crashanddie | ptl: I don't see that behaviour |
| 18:34.18 | crashanddie | ptl: steps to reproduce? |
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| 18:35.34 | mikki-kun | timetochange: i don't think it's hard... |
| 18:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I gather you never tried to enter nicknames like |R or _0x47 or \[\[\[ bla ]]] on N900 |
| 18:35.55 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nope |
| 18:36.21 | timetochange | I keep getting socket.connect() failed using the openvpn thing |
| 18:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, ljsdofuynsdfufuh is easy (with nick completion) compared to these |
| 18:36.38 | timetochange | why thank you |
| 18:36.43 | timetochange | use irssi? |
| 18:37.05 | crashanddie | timetochange: port in use? |
| 18:37.12 | crashanddie | timetochange: socket timeout? |
| 18:37.18 | timetochange | 1194 |
| 18:37.20 | ptl | crashanddie: can't seem to reproduce this right now, weird |
| 18:37.43 | timetochange | didnt specify a timeout |
| 18:38.17 | crashanddie | timetochange: no, I meant that the socket remains in use for a while if the application crashes |
| 18:39.04 | timetochange | well, where does it put logs? |
| 18:39.11 | crashanddie | timetochange: just look in netstat |
| 18:39.41 | crashanddie | probably something like netstat -tn | grep 1194 |
| 18:39.56 | MohammadAG51 | netstat is borked (busybox), install the non busybox version (packaged as netstat) |
| 18:41.10 | timetochange | "no kernel support for AF INET6 (tcp)" |
| 18:41.56 | ptl | Wow, NITdroid now can be booted without R&D mode... Sweet. It's progressing faster than Meego! |
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| 18:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: [Support] CHARSET=ascii NICKLEN=16 CHANNELLEN=50 .... I'd say that's freenode's call, not the chanop enforcing some obscure RFC |
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| 18:52.45 | ptl | have you guys ever met a GNU/Linux user that also worked as a male stripper or gogoboy? |
| 18:53.19 | MohammadAG51 | wtf |
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| 18:56.19 | lbt | Could someone volunteer to prepare a web page on the (meego) wiki? I need some MeeGo and some Maemo volunteer devs who can help verify the OBS setup. |
| 18:56.49 | lbt | I need a list where people can volunteer and say what they can offer |
| 18:57.18 | lbt | (ie why/how they can help beta test it) |
| 19:00.17 | timetochange | I'm trying to use the itshidden.com free openvpn server since I can't run any of my own at the moment, and I'm trying to narrow down why my n900 won't connect |
| 19:01.33 | tremby | anyone using python-location? i'm getting device.fix[0] == 3, which doesn't match any of the location.METHOD_* constants. i can't figure out what it means. |
| 19:02.07 | Macer | can i wifi tether the n900 |
| 19:02.14 | Macer | i forgot my damn usb cable |
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| 19:02.56 | nidO | Macer yes, but you need to install a custom kernel to do so, or buy joikuspot which will setup an ad-hoc tether |
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| 19:04.57 | Macer | hm. i put the "advanced" kernel on it already |
| 19:05.10 | Macer | maybe that already has the support built in |
| 19:05.14 | nidO | if you've got the power kernel installed, then just install mobilehotspot from -testing |
| 19:05.22 | nidO | and youll get an infrastructure hotspot |
| 19:05.49 | timetochange | i thought the n900 would have a more universal usb connector, like the ones for cameras or something |
| 19:06.13 | nidO | doesnt get much more universal than micro usb |
| 19:06.16 | tremby | it is standard, just a newer standard than usb-mini X( |
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| 19:07.13 | timetochange | ah |
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| 19:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | honestly most cameras do not have a real standard USB |
| 19:18.24 | timetochange | DocScrutinizer, what would you do if you kept getting the error socket.connected() failed from openvpn applet? |
| 19:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | buy vodka? |
| 19:19.17 | mikki-kun | hm, does formating the microsd to ext3 prevent the n900 from accessing it? |
| 19:19.17 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 19:19.22 | MohammadAG51 | mount it |
| 19:19.54 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: i don't have one at hand which i can format to try it out ;) |
| 19:20.22 | n900-dk_ | Have any of you guys installed the Juniper SSL VPN on N900 with success? |
| 19:20.24 | MohammadAG51 | oh |
| 19:20.28 | MohammadAG51 | you need to mount it manually |
| 19:20.37 | MohammadAG51 | or add a line to rcS-late |
| 19:20.49 | mikki-kun | but i can rw it then as a normal user? |
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| 19:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: eh? |
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| 19:22.13 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 19:22.21 | MohammadAG51 | i think hildon-fm would bitch about it |
| 19:22.35 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: read/write access... sorry if that sounds a lil over the top, but sometimes the n900 behaves really odd |
| 19:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: why? |
| 19:22.58 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, well, it didn't copy to my flash drive |
| 19:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | you can access /home |
| 19:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | sure you need to care about mounting... but when it's mounted normally, I can't see the issue |
| 19:25.00 | ShadowJK | and chmod it user |
| 19:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | mompl, lemme try |
| 19:25.10 | ShadowJK | uh I mean chown |
| 19:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 19:25.19 | ShadowJK | runs mmc1 as ext3 |
| 19:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so I'll not try |
| 19:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | even whule I'm sure I already did |
| 19:26.06 | mikki-kun | hm, thanks... so i need to make a small script in /etc/rcS.d/ (if that is the dir) and that would be it... |
| 19:26.17 | nidO | doesnt the camera app fail if the internal mmc gets formatted to ext3? |
| 19:26.23 | nidO | or did someone figure out a fix for that? |
| 19:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | got a uSD with 13G VFAT, 2.5G ext3, and rest is swap |
| 19:26.38 | mikki-kun | nidO: i asked for the microSD not the emmc ;) |
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| 19:26.47 | nidO | so you did |
| 19:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | I thought that's been fixed with 1.1.1 even |
| 19:27.08 | nidO | well, I assume the same applies that the camera app wont be able to save to the microsd if you format it to ext3 |
| 19:27.21 | ShadowJK | If you mount it manually you can't use it with the camera |
| 19:27.36 | ShadowJK | If you spend time modifying scripts and such, I'm told it'd work |
| 19:27.55 | mikki-kun | man, nokia really left a mess for that >.< |
| 19:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC there's never been an issue with ext3. It's just been the rudimentary permissions handling that made it work with VFAT |
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| 19:29.56 | mikki-kun | hm, seems kinda lazy then somehow if they didn't wanna set the permissions right |
| 19:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | like DCIM created by a root process root:root 744 and then userland camera-ui trying to write to it |
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| 19:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | also I heard the folder names were case-messedup |
| 19:31.12 | mikki-kun | hu? how do you mean? |
| 19:31.20 | h0n3st | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:31.25 | ShadowJK | For me the issue is that the initial script that tries to mount it fails (as it greps partition table for msdos partition and then tries to mount every msdos partition as vfat), so everything thinks the sd is corrupted |
| 19:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | so probably all was done wrong that possibly could, and would never show up under windows |
| 19:31.29 | pwnguin | fat is case insenetive |
| 19:31.31 | Jaffa | YES! Hermes has just updated 4 of my test contacts with PHONE NUMBERS from LinkedIn. Including internationalising them where the info on LinkedIn isn't already internationalised :-D |
| 19:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: dcim vs DCIM |
| 19:32.05 | lcuk | +44 Jaffa :) |
| 19:32.05 | pwnguin | so things that work with either "FILENAME" and "filename" fail when applied to ext3 |
| 19:32.32 | mikki-kun | mah >.< hopefully they make that better in maemo6 -.- |
| 19:32.43 | mikki-kun | and i hope it's available for the n900 |
| 19:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's allegedly fixed since 1.1.1 |
| 19:33.07 | mikki-kun | but is it really? |
| 19:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | check the ticket |
| 19:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-03 21:27:21] <ShadowJK> If you mount it manually you can't use it with the camera |
| 19:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-03 21:27:36] <ShadowJK> If you spend time modifying scripts and such, I'm told it'd work |
| 19:34.38 | GAN900 | Jaffa, that's such a sad thing to be excited over. :P |
| 19:35.15 | Jaffa | GAN900: You've never had to deal with GLists, EVCard and EContacts in Python :-p |
| 19:35.25 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 19:36.04 | lbt | Jaffa: excellent! |
| 19:36.24 | lbt | now... can you help me sync to egroupware and/or ldap ? |
| 19:36.39 | Jaffa | lbt: might have dinner instead, TBH |
| 19:36.56 | lbt | heh... and when are you coming over? |
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| 19:39.37 | Jaffa | lbt: not *quite* sure. Next Saturday: got to tidy the house for new floor to be fitted; Sunday going to the British GP |
| 19:39.52 | lbt | hows tomorrow |
| 19:40.40 | Jaffa | lbt: *may* be able to pop down for a couple of hours. Mrs Jaffa & Jafflets are away, and although I've got jobs hopefully they'll smallificate themselves tonight. |
| 19:40.59 | lbt | hey, cool - I wasn't expecting that... |
| 19:41.02 | lbt | be great though |
| 19:41.37 | lbt | let me know... I'll be around all night and tomorrow |
| 19:43.35 | Jaffa | lbt: I'll eat now. Try and get stuff done too |
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| 19:47.27 | yigal | Is there some way to get tagged bookmarks in microb? |
| 19:48.03 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, maemosdk |
| 19:48.04 | infobot | i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
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| 19:50.35 | yigal | I would prefer to use microb as it is faster than other other browsers, but tagged bookmarks, or some other means to organize bookmarks is essential. |
| 19:50.50 | jacekowski | ekhm |
| 19:50.52 | jacekowski | microb is slowest |
| 19:50.57 | jacekowski | opera is like 3x faster |
| 19:51.03 | jacekowski | and chromium is like 10x faster |
| 19:51.11 | jacekowski | but chromium has other issues |
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| 19:52.33 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: which issues does chromium have? |
| 19:53.20 | yigal | I'll try Chromium then :) we all have issues |
| 19:53.49 | SpeedEvil | I fundamentally disagree about chromium being 10* faster |
| 19:54.00 | mikki-kun | hm, are chromium/opera/fennec installing /opt ? |
| 19:54.07 | mikki-kun | *installing in |
| 19:54.37 | SpeedEvil | I have also seen no benchmarks of read performance of /opt differening importantly |
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| 19:56.02 | yigal | Microb seems faster than Firefox that's all I've really compared Microb to. |
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| 19:56.14 | mikki-kun | i am just asking for the sake of a clean rootfs ;) |
| 19:57.17 | MohammadAG51 | rm -r... nvm |
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| 19:57.30 | lcuk | slaps MohammadAG51 with a frals |
| 19:57.51 | MohammadAG51 | slaps lcuk with a football |
| 19:58.20 | SpeedEvil | the recent 1.1 release of ff? |
| 19:58.29 | yigal | Yep |
| 19:58.30 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: that is a lil overkill on cleaning it =p |
| 19:58.57 | lcuk | volleys the ball over MohammadAG51s head and into the net |
| 20:00.35 | yigal | I need to get tab working on n900 keyboard. |
| 20:01.17 | mikki-kun | hm, which operaversion is it we use when installing from the app-manager? |
| 20:02.36 | MohammadAG51 | gets a golf ball |
| 20:02.43 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, golf? |
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| 20:03.00 | yigal | 10-alpha1-3 |
| 20:03.56 | mikki-kun | yigal: thanks so it seems opera mobile |
| 20:04.04 | lcuk | must be MohammadAG51 the match isnt grasping me |
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| 20:07.24 | yigal | Yes, mobile |
| 20:07.59 | mikki-kun | hm, curious what sets mobile from mini apart... |
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| 20:20.45 | mikki-kun | hm, i am trying now opera mobile and from the looks of it it ain't faster than microb |
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| 20:26.12 | FIQ | mikki-kun |
| 20:26.18 | FIQ | if you're looking for opera turbo |
| 20:26.19 | microlith | mikki-kun: mini does all the rendering remotely, mobile actually does rendering work on the device |
| 20:26.25 | FIQ | it should be in settings |
| 20:26.34 | FIQ | but |
| 20:26.51 | mikki-kun | FIQ: i am comparing without any serversided help ;) |
| 20:26.52 | FIQ | i think it's slighty slower than mini |
| 20:26.57 | FIQ | but dunno about it |
| 20:27.03 | FIQ | mikki-kun, ah |
| 20:27.51 | mikki-kun | sure, opera turbo can improve it and save data, but i think that doesn't go quite fair with the rendering then when compared to other browsers without this kind of feature |
| 20:28.19 | mikki-kun | and i am not so sure about my data ^^ |
| 20:29.33 | mikki-kun | could be that it gets transmitted in some way to their servers (haven't looked that deep into it, but will do it) |
| 20:32.06 | crashanddie | microlith: well, not really, "rendering" is the wrong word here |
| 20:34.58 | lbt | X-Fade: ping.... nw seems broken on the OBS be |
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| 20:44.20 | FIQ | is there a video recorder of N900 somewhere? |
| 20:44.23 | FIQ | er |
| 20:44.28 | FIQ | s/video/screen/ |
| 20:45.56 | lcuk | FIQ, the simplest is to install x11vncserver and use some recorder on desktop to do the recording |
| 20:46.18 | FIQ | ah, and use Wi-Fi i guess |
| 20:46.28 | FIQ | not home for a week. :P |
| 20:46.30 | FIQ | but ok |
| 20:47.22 | FIQ | and by the way, everyone seems to complain about glitchy sound on m64p, works just fine here, but in some cirumstances, it makes the games slow down... just so you know - it's not buggy at all here |
| 20:48.01 | FIQ | tried f.e. RR@MK64, time trial, fullspeed w/sound |
| 20:51.34 | jacekowski | http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-it-crowd/4od#3082365 |
| 20:51.35 | jacekowski | - i just wanted to say you i'm not a windows cleaner |
| 20:51.36 | jacekowski | - macs? |
| 20:51.37 | jacekowski | - no, i really just work with windows. |
| 20:54.39 | nas_ | restricted content the link you send |
| 20:57.21 | jacekowski | it's UK only |
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| 21:16.25 | Macer | well |
| 21:16.31 | Macer | i guess mobile hotspot actually works |
| 21:16.37 | Macer | kind of flaky though :) |
| 21:16.40 | Macer | but good enough |
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| 21:30.40 | Nadley | hi |
| 21:30.42 | crashanddie | laughs |
| 21:30.56 | crashanddie | My ISP sends streams at full HD (1080p) |
| 21:31.11 | crashanddie | but until very recently (firmware upgrade), the TV boxes only supporter 720p |
| 21:31.19 | crashanddie | s/ter/ted/ |
| 21:32.18 | Nadley | I have a trouble I install flashlight but I don't know how to start it, it doesn't appear in the applet |
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| 21:35.45 | SpeedEvil | you open the shitter |
| 21:35.53 | SpeedEvil | then you close the camera app |
| 21:35.56 | SpeedEvil | then it appears |
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| 21:36.21 | range | SpeedEvil: Hmmm. But if you have to use the flashlight to even find the shitter? >:) |
| 21:36.24 | range | scnr. |
| 21:37.02 | hallyn | aha! my problem with capslock always on with vnc is solved - the 'text input' setting had 'auto capitalization' on. turning that off fixed it. |
| 21:37.30 | lbt | wooo .... OBS is xen-ized |
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| 21:37.46 | lbt | which was kinda essential for being able to let people use it |
| 21:38.44 | Nadley | SpeedEvil: Even if I open the shitter there is nothing |
| 21:38.50 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:39.06 | SpeedEvil | is unsure he has flashlight installed actually. |
| 21:39.09 | SpeedEvil | chekcs. |
| 21:39.11 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: shitter? |
| 21:39.25 | Nadley | SpeedEvil: I find I have to scroll (a lot of applet :s) |
| 21:39.26 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
| 21:39.34 | SpeedEvil | Nadley: I'm unable to scroll |
| 21:40.21 | SpeedEvil | Nadley: oh |
| 21:40.29 | SpeedEvil | Nadley: I never knew you could do that. |
| 21:40.34 | Nadley | :d |
| 21:40.44 | SpeedEvil | Nadley: What a clever way to utterly hide the fact that there are more options... |
| 21:41.15 | SpeedEvil | yeah - flashlight works |
| 21:41.39 | Nadley | yes I was looking for it for a while thinking there was something wrong with the installation |
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| 21:43.42 | Nadley | SpeedEvil: do you use Cellular Modem Control Buttons ? because I install it but I can't find how to use it |
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| 21:45.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:45.34 | SpeedEvil | well... |
| 21:45.42 | SpeedEvil | you click '2g' '3g' or 'dual' |
| 21:45.56 | SpeedEvil | and it makes the modem connect over 2g, over 3g, or allows both |
| 21:46.17 | kerio | Nadley: hold on, is that the switch between phone and tablet? |
| 21:46.33 | SpeedEvil | oh - sorry - no - that's a different appletr |
| 21:46.41 | kerio | it's on the menu you get by pushing the power button |
| 21:46.57 | Nadley | SpeedEvil: yes I have the applet it is the other one |
| 21:47.18 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:47.24 | lcuk | likes his image select |
| 21:47.43 | Nadley | kerio: I know but I have nothing new on the menu |
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| 21:51.20 | crashanddie | god I'm really starting to hate these javascript-riddled pages that feel like you're handling billions of requests in their stead |
| 21:52.20 | kerio | crashanddie: noscript? |
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| 21:53.03 | Nadley | kerio: what is the name of the entry in the menu |
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| 21:53.26 | kerio | "Tablet" iirc |
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| 21:53.35 | crashanddie | kerio: can't be bothered to port noscript to safari |
| 21:53.42 | kerio | safari? |
| 21:53.46 | kerio | oh, not on the n00 |
| 21:53.47 | kerio | er |
| 21:53.48 | kerio | n900 |
| 21:54.50 | smhar | greetings |
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| 21:58.16 | smhar | I am seriously thinking about getting an N900 soon -could be tomorrow- , as I found a place where it sells it in installments with similar total as it is sold now locally here. I have an important question: how can I 1) backup the files to the computer and then restore it back, 2) how to sync the data -contacts, calender etc- with a local computer, not to online service? |
| 22:00.03 | Nadley | kerio: i haven't this entry my menu didn't change with or without the app |
| 22:01.00 | `0660 | smhar, ou would use Ovi Suite on Windows to do that |
| 22:01.22 | kerio | smhar: what's your OS? |
| 22:02.00 | smhar | `0660, kerio, oops, I forgot to mention, I am using debian squeeze |
| 22:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: 1) open URL "sftp://root@yourN900-IP:/" in your browser and copy / to local backup |
| 22:02.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: after installing ssh |
| 22:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:02.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: how can you restore it though? |
| 22:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | I wasn't going to explain each small detail, as he can't duplicate atm |
| 22:03.26 | kerio | is there a real need to backup data if everything is synced to somewhere else? |
| 22:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: 2) that's a little bit complicated, depending on what you are using on your desktop PC |
| 22:03.51 | SpeedEvil | smhar: there is 'backup' a nokia app on the phone that can backup to a SD card |
| 22:04.12 | smhar | I am not a guru but I am not a total newbie |
| 22:04.18 | smhar | :-) |
| 22:04.23 | kerio | smhar: do you know how linux works? |
| 22:04.26 | SpeedEvil | The SD card is the easiest way |
| 22:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: of course |
| 22:04.38 | smhar | kerio, well enough for me, and learning more by the day |
| 22:04.48 | kerio | then you're good |
| 22:04.57 | kerio | buy it, it's amazing |
| 22:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 'back up _to the computer_...' - that's for sure most easy via scp/sftp |
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| 22:05.38 | kerio | yeah but what good is a backup if you can't restore it anyway? |
| 22:05.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well... I'm unsure how well that would work |
| 22:05.46 | smhar | kerio, I love it already, my only concern is that it may have a short life :-) |
| 22:05.55 | kerio | you can always buy another |
| 22:05.57 | kerio | ;) |
| 22:06.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; data inconsistency issues and all |
| 22:06.24 | SpeedEvil | A snapshot /home would be nice |
| 22:06.36 | SpeedEvil | At USB2, it'd only be 100s |
| 22:06.54 | smhar | Docscrutinizer, I am currently using thunderbird bu I am willing to switch to -almost- anything to be able to sync |
| 22:07.10 | SpeedEvil | Doing it mounted raises data consistency issues though. |
| 22:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: highly unlikely, but ok you will need completely different methods then, which aren't really available ootb now |
| 22:07.19 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 22:07.56 | kerio | just backup your *data* as you would normally |
| 22:07.57 | smhar | kerio, true, and this is what I've been doing with Nokia, for years |
| 22:08.02 | kerio | it's a computer |
| 22:08.11 | kerio | you don't backup your whole OS |
| 22:08.16 | smhar | problem is, they are moving faster these days than before |
| 22:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: would you agree on a double backup and md5-compare the both gives extremely low probability of unnoticed inconsistencies? |
| 22:08.34 | SpeedEvil | straps his n900 down otherwise it bounces off the walls. |
| 22:08.49 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not quite. |
| 22:09.05 | kerio | SpeedEvil: aw, my n900 must be broken then |
| 22:09.07 | kerio | it just sits there |
| 22:09.12 | kerio | no bouncing |
| 22:09.19 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Turn on the GPS. |
| 22:09.27 | kerio | huh? why? |
| 22:09.28 | SpeedEvil | Mine bounces around 20km |
| 22:09.31 | kerio | lol |
| 22:09.38 | kerio | that's... not good |
| 22:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Well - to be fair - that is cell positioning - which can be very broken |
| 22:10.07 | kerio | oh, not gps then |
| 22:10.18 | smhar | so what about the sync? |
| 22:10.23 | kerio | well, i live in a city and cell positioning is incredibly accurate |
| 22:10.29 | kerio | smhar: thunderbird on linux? |
| 22:10.45 | SpeedEvil | smhar: I've never done sync, so I can't advise - don't use the n900 for email |
| 22:10.52 | timetochange | why does the screen get brighter for a bit and then dark again before it turns off? |
| 22:10.53 | kerio | why not? |
| 22:10.56 | smhar | kerio, or anything else if necessary |
| 22:11.07 | timetochange | im thinking it might have to do with that brightness applet |
| 22:11.09 | kerio | smhar: what's your email provider? |
| 22:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: kerio got a point there. N900 is so much closer to a regular linux PC than you probably might think. Just consider how you'd do if it were a laptop and no "phone" |
| 22:11.40 | smhar | SpeedEvil, it is for the contacts as well, I am adding many contacts daily, and I need the in my pc as well |
| 22:11.49 | SpeedEvil | smhar: Well... |
| 22:11.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: isync doesn't work for IM data of the contacts :( |
| 22:12.00 | SpeedEvil | smhar: I have recieved one call on my n900... |
| 22:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | timetochange: it gets brighter because you turned on the light or placed your finger somewhere off the ALS |
| 22:12.17 | smhar | kerio, I am using my own email through a hosting company |
| 22:12.25 | kerio | smhar: does it support IMAP? |
| 22:12.31 | kerio | because if it does, there's no need to sync emails |
| 22:12.36 | kerio | and that's one big point there |
| 22:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: uhuh. No idea what you're talking about |
| 22:12.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ? |
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| 22:13.56 | smhar | SpeedEvil, I want to use it as my mail mobile, hoping that it will develop smart phones skills as well as pc skills, whatever those are |
| 22:14.05 | kerio | well |
| 22:14.09 | kerio | that may be a bit hard |
| 22:14.12 | kerio | since it's not a smartphone |
| 22:14.23 | smhar | kerio, yes and pop3 and almost everything :-0 |
| 22:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: the N900's contacs app can ex/import vcard |
| 22:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | vcf |
| 22:14.54 | kerio | smhar: use IMAP and email is kept syncronized |
| 22:15.05 | kerio | export/import vcards to sync contacts |
| 22:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: IMAP seems unreliable or broken on N900 |
| 22:15.26 | kerio | or install Bluetooth DUN on the n900 and use syncml through bluetooth |
| 22:15.27 | smhar | SpeedEvil, s/mail mobile / main mobile |
| 22:15.28 | kerio | that's kinda standard |
| 22:15.52 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: not a big email user |
| 22:16.03 | SpeedEvil | wishes someone would fix sync. |
| 22:16.04 | kerio | and if everything craps out, i can just open gmail.com with the browser |
| 22:16.07 | SpeedEvil | But it's a huge project |
| 22:16.13 | smhar | kerio, smart phone is all about software |
| 22:16.15 | kerio | SpeedEvil: what's broken about sync? |
| 22:16.37 | kerio | smhar: the n900 is not a smartphone |
| 22:16.49 | kerio | it's a computer |
| 22:17.07 | SpeedEvil | kerio: That is - fix sync by implementing one protocol among 'all' opensource things where it would make sense. |
| 22:17.10 | Nadley | I have tried to make a screencast on my device with the load applet but I can read it, it is a avi file |
| 22:17.10 | crashanddie | piss off with that argument? |
| 22:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: you can use several other mail-agents on N900 (heard of claws for example). Alas integration to contacts database is gone then |
| 22:17.50 | smhar | kerio, still it lacks -in the software side- many 'basic feature' of a modern phone, that will come by time |
| 22:18.00 | kerio | SpeedEvil: doesn't it sync somewhat nicely with that open cloud service? |
| 22:18.19 | kerio | i'm syncing it with google contacts through my computer as of now |
| 22:18.36 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 22:18.38 | kerio | i could enable mail for exchange |
| 22:18.48 | kerio | but meh |
| 22:19.12 | Nadley | kerio: how do you sync with google contacts I want to do the same |
| 22:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: don't buy N900 based on a bet on future development |
| 22:19.14 | smhar | kerio, I do not use google contacts and I do not plan to, |
| 22:19.23 | kerio | Nadley: isync on osx |
| 22:19.42 | smhar | docscrutinizer, why? |
| 22:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: check if you can find to get it in a shape so you can do the things you need right now |
| 22:20.03 | Nadley | kerio: ok I'm on linux |
| 22:20.20 | kerio | then you need to sync it through the n900 itself |
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| 22:20.28 | kerio | settings->mail for exchange |
| 22:20.33 | kerio | google for the settings |
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| 22:20.53 | smhar | docscrutinizer, I am ok with it as it is now, but I am always hoping for better :-) |
| 22:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | sure :-) |
| 22:21.17 | smhar | docscrutinizer, do you mean the development will stop |
| 22:21.23 | kerio | n900 developent is kinda slowed down atm |
| 22:21.29 | kerio | at least, the official development |
| 22:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: you'll be amazed what this nice little thing actually can do |
| 22:21.50 | kerio | i guess nokia is just waiting for the opensource developers to reverse-engineer *everything* by themselves |
| 22:22.06 | kerio | so they don't actually have to, you know, *do* stuff |
| 22:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | smhar: no, but you'll never know when or if at all a particular function will be available |
| 22:22.11 | smhar | docscrutinizer, in addition to finally having a really linux phone.. ok computer |
| 22:22.26 | Nadley | kerio: I know about Mfe but I don't know if it will sync all data about my contacts |
| 22:24.40 | smhar | but this is very strange, N900 is a linux 'computer, and it can not sync with another linux computer, |
| 22:24.48 | smhar | funny is both are debian |
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| 22:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | well debian means nothing at all |
| 22:25.27 | smhar | I know, but it is just funny, to me |
| 22:25.40 | kerio | thunderbird on debian will happily sync with thunderbird on n900 if you tell him to |
| 22:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | even on debian you can have gnome on one laptop and KDE on your desktop box |
| 22:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: exactly |
| 22:26.14 | Nadley | kerio: thunderbird on n900? |
| 22:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, has somebody ported it meanwhile? |
| 22:26.34 | kerio | Nadley: it probably exists somewhere |
| 22:26.41 | smhar | kerio, but the N900 contacts are not stored in TB for N900 |
| 22:26.42 | kerio | if it doesn't, easy debian and install it there |
| 22:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | depends where YOU store them, obviously ;-D |
| 22:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | but no, maemo doesn't use TB to store phone contacts |
| 22:27.55 | kerio | maemo's contact system is great for IM |
| 22:28.06 | smhar | docscrutinizer, :-( |
| 22:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | I think I heard it's loosely based on evolution |
| 22:28.38 | smhar | I do not think it was a difficult thing for Nokia, or maemo developers to make it a bit more open |
| 22:29.05 | kerio | smhar: a lot can be said about nokia's openness |
| 22:29.08 | smhar | docscrutinizer, If I use evolution in linux, can I syn? |
| 22:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync |
| 22:33.31 | smhar | docscrutinizer, well, it basically says 'yes', it can sync with evolution |
| 22:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's what I seem to recall as well |
| 22:34.34 | kerio | smhar: http://syncevolution.org/ |
| 22:34.54 | kerio | you basically run a sync server on your home computer and sync it via wifi |
| 22:35.01 | smhar | kerio, yes, I am actually reading it right now |
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| 22:42.54 | smhar | Docscrutinizer, SpeedEvil, kerio, living with linux for several years now and mostly with debian testing, taught me not to expect an 'easy' solution, like in windows clicking system, and I am happy with this as long as I can get my job done :-) |
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| 22:51.59 | Nadley | is trying mfe with google and it look working very good :d |
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| 23:12.18 | timetochange | wholy fuck I'm scared |
| 23:12.23 | timetochange | phone just keeps restarting |
| 23:12.44 | timetochange | I tried to power cycle it when the application phone would'nt start |
| 23:12.48 | timetochange | it just quit right away |
| 23:13.30 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 23:13.31 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:14.11 | timetochange | so it just stops working randomly and the only way to fix it is delete everything and start anew? |
| 23:14.49 | timetochange | the only thing that was installed recently was an update for UUSD applet, and that was hours ago |
| 23:15.59 | MohammadAG | well depends on what you did |
| 23:16.10 | MohammadAG | if you have -devel enabled, you have only yourself to blame |
| 23:16.10 | timetochange | i really need to make some calls |
| 23:16.11 | timetochange | FUCK |
| 23:16.25 | timetochange | i have testing enabled |
| 23:16.28 | timetochange | not devel |
| 23:16.29 | MohammadAG | that too |
| 23:17.00 | MohammadAG | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing |
| 23:18.53 | timetochange | there is nothing to try besides reflashing if it doesnt boot?! |
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| 23:20.18 | MohammadAG | well, I'm not sure what caused it to break |
| 23:20.25 | timetochange | imagine if you had to reinstall linux everytime an app stopped working |
| 23:20.28 | timetochange | me neither |
| 23:20.36 | timetochange | I was just walking around and tried to use my phone |
| 23:20.39 | MohammadAG | you could try a different OS, but you need to have that before it actually breaks :) |
| 23:20.40 | timetochange | the app just quit right away |
| 23:20.40 | smhar | has anyone encountered the Nokia's WSD with N900 yet |
| 23:20.44 | timetochange | so i tried to turn it off and on again |
| 23:20.48 | timetochange | and it wont boot, just keeps restarting |
| 23:20.53 | smhar | I have very bad memories with those |
| 23:21.56 | SpeedEvil | wsd? |
| 23:22.16 | LiraNuna | maemo.org is down? |
| 23:22.23 | timetochange | seems so |
| 23:22.24 | smhar | SpeedEvil, White Screen of Death |
| 23:22.34 | Appiah | LiraNuna: yupp |
| 23:22.34 | timetochange | what was there a fucking emp todaya |
| 23:22.41 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 23:22.46 | LiraNuna | HOW CAN I LIVE WITHOUT talk.maemo.org ?!!??!?!?! |
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| 23:22.56 | timetochange | i just got talk.maemo.org to come up |
| 23:23.42 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:23.48 | SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: better? |
| 23:23.49 | timetochange | I just realize all of my ability to contact people relies on a dead every expensive unsupported developer phone |
| 23:23.59 | LiraNuna | <3 |
| 23:24.26 | MohammadAG | timetochange, well, reflashing isn't that bad |
| 23:24.33 | timetochange | I don't wana lose my shit |
| 23:24.34 | MohammadAG | that's why I have 4 OSs to back it up on the N900 |
| 23:24.39 | MohammadAG | like what? |
| 23:24.41 | smhar | I had a WSD on every Nokia symbian phone I had, several times with some |
| 23:24.46 | MohammadAG | contacts are stored in /home/user |
| 23:24.47 | LiraNuna | timetochange, try to just flash the kernel |
| 23:25.05 | timetochange | what about r&d mode |
| 23:25.23 | MohammadAG | you could try that too |
| 23:25.32 | timetochange | I don't really know what would be wrong |
| 23:25.35 | timetochange | I didn't do anything to it |
| 23:25.37 | Nadley | says mfe is not working as I want :s |
| 23:29.24 | smhar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_screen_of_death |
| 23:31.19 | smhar | ok, is there an 'better' alternative to N900's default address book/contacts yet? |
| 23:32.31 | timetochange | if i plug it into usb is still just keeps restarting |
| 23:32.38 | timetochange | and there isn't enough time to mount it |
| 23:34.13 | timetochange | LiraNuna, how do I just flash the kernel, and if I do that will I lose anything else? |
| 23:34.30 | LiraNuna | timetochange, see the maemo wiki, and you will not lose anything |
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| 23:35.30 | timetochange | just the regular directions? |
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| 23:38.56 | timetochange | so all I do is flasher -r [kernel_image]? |
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| 23:41.09 | smhar | ok, is there any alternative to N900's default address book/contacts yet? |
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| 23:41.49 | timetochange | GPE address book |
| 23:43.13 | psycho_oreos | timetochange, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux |
| 23:45.47 | smhar | since the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them. can someone please correct me or confirm this please? |
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| 23:48.07 | timetochange | is "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin" the "FIASCO" image? |
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| 23:49.24 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:49.29 | ohwhyme | anyone know why im getting a caluclating upgrade... failed |
| 23:51.22 | timetochange | if i do only the kernel do I still have to do the eMMC image afterward? |
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| 23:51.45 | GAN900 | timetochange, you never have to do eMMC |
| 23:51.50 | GAN900 | Ideally you never shoud |
| 23:52.00 | GAN900 | Since it's an emergency procedure. |
| 23:52.10 | timetochange | okay, and I was just told that doing this kernel flash will not lose me any data |
| 23:52.13 | timetochange | so trying........ |
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| 23:52.19 | timetochange | this is scary |
| 23:52.20 | timetochange | lol |
| 23:52.34 | MohammadAG | /home/user shouldn't be affected by a fiasco reflash |
| 23:53.02 | timetochange | ill just loose all the apps and their settings? |
| 23:53.34 | salman_ | since the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them. can someone please correct me or confirm this please? |
| 23:53.50 | MohammadAG | timetochange, assuming their settings are in /home/user/., no |
| 23:53.59 | MohammadAG | you won't lose their settings |
| 23:54.21 | timetochange | with the kernel only option, I lose nothing right? |
| 23:54.34 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:54.37 | timetochange | okay |
| 23:54.40 | MohammadAG | only the kernel :) |
| 23:55.03 | timetochange | wow that was fast |
| 23:55.10 | timetochange | omfg hope it starts |
| 23:55.34 | timetochange | AHF CUK |
| 23:55.39 | timetochange | rebooted again |
| 23:55.44 | timetochange | infinite reboot cycle again |
| 23:56.33 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 23:56.42 | timetochange | I really need to make a call |
| 23:56.43 | MohammadAG | try flashing a framebuffer enabled kernel |
| 23:56.49 | MohammadAG | to see what's causing the problem |
| 23:57.00 | timetochange | sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R |
| 23:57.00 | timetochange | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.10 | ohwhyme | Calculating upgrade... Failed |
| 23:57.10 | ohwhyme | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:57.10 | ohwhyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.10 | ohwhyme | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 23:57.18 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/kernel-framebuffer/2.6.28-20101501+0m5-framebuffer1/ |
| 23:57.31 | ohwhyme | anyone know whats wrong? I cant seem to do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:57.36 | MohammadAG | timetochange, sec, I'll unpack it for you |
| 23:59.20 | MohammadAG | uploading |
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