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| 00:01.54 | abil_uk | hello |
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| 00:12.10 | MohammadAG | infobot, ping |
| 00:12.11 | infobot | ~pong |
| 00:12.43 | lcuk | see MohammadAG even infobot thinks you smell |
| 00:13.04 | MohammadAG | stabs infobot |
| 00:13.15 | mortini | heh. |
| 00:13.25 | mortini | poooooooooorinfobot |
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| 00:22.38 | MohammadAG | announces his first proper-ish port, which took him quite a while to build the deps for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=736409#post736409 |
| 00:24.18 | pupnik_ | awesome MohammadAG |
| 00:24.20 | lcuk | MohammadAG, awesome"! |
| 00:24.25 | lcuk | snap pupnik_ |
| 00:24.42 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 00:25.00 | MohammadAG | Should piss off some busybox dev out there XD |
| 00:25.25 | pupnik_ | see if you can't get the 'netstat' display to use less space for the radio buttons |
| 00:25.50 | MohammadAG | gtk glade, I suppose I could do that |
| 00:25.51 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 00:26.10 | pupnik_ | that can take some time to fiddle with |
| 00:26.13 | pupnik_ | i remember from pcsx |
| 00:26.19 | MohammadAG | hmm, forgot to take out license from the gtkAboutDialog (it's empty)... oh well |
| 00:26.45 | pupnik_ | i see a couple of places where you could maybe get more screen real-estate, if you can find the time |
| 00:26.49 | pupnik_ | or me, i guess :P |
| 00:27.39 | pupnik_ | but hey thanks for the nice port |
| 00:28.05 | pupnik_ | i am so used to using the console, but that looks very handy |
| 00:28.16 | MohammadAG | pupnik_, I freed up a lot of estate (ping had a graph which overlapped over the text, and only the top part was visible - so I commented it out) |
| 00:28.23 | MohammadAG | but I'm open for suggestions :) |
| 00:28.32 | pupnik_ | yeah i guessed as much |
| 00:29.05 | MohammadAG | netstat, done |
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| 00:29.11 | MohammadAG | spacing was set to a high value |
| 00:29.23 | lcuk | MohammadAG, are you running the tickboxes along the top and making box bigger there? |
| 00:29.41 | kwtm | ahhh ... lcuk, I have had bad luck... |
| 00:29.49 | pupnik_ | on 'whois' page, you could get a couple more lines of text in if you moved the whois button up to the same line as the 'domain name' |
| 00:29.56 | pupnik_ | domain address |
| 00:30.10 | MohammadAG | lcuk, you lost me :P |
| 00:30.17 | pupnik_ | can't see anything else |
| 00:30.26 | MohammadAG | pupnik_, tried that, but can't do it for some reason, I'll try again though |
| 00:30.32 | MohammadAG | couldn't* |
| 00:30.42 | GAN900 | yawns |
| 00:31.02 | MohammadAG | yawns back |
| 00:31.07 | pupnik_ | i'm a little too ignorant to help much |
| 00:31.23 | GAN900 | pupnik_, what's your take on the handset UX? |
| 00:31.37 | pupnik_ | had a few nice transitions |
| 00:31.59 | pupnik_ | didn't give it too much thought beyond that |
| 00:32.57 | pupnik_ | i thought the contacts opened too slowly |
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| 00:34.06 | pupnik_ | i don't care if they need to preload qtbloat to get a fast response. get it done :P |
| 00:36.21 | lcuk | contact list is very very poor |
| 00:36.41 | lcuk | the aava is meant to be a facter cpu too |
| 00:36.51 | lcuk | (according to unconfirmed reports) |
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| 00:37.42 | keshn | which is the best MC clone? |
| 00:37.46 | keshn | anpaza? |
| 00:38.09 | lcuk | kwtm, :( have you broken it again |
| 00:38.13 | lcuk | why not just get mc? |
| 00:38.54 | pupnik_ | a fluid feel is a distinguishing market positioning factor - a slick response makes it a sports car and not a clunky station wagon. |
| 00:39.22 | keshn | maybe cause its not in the repo |
| 00:39.32 | pupnik_ | as liqbase author lcuk knows this very well |
| 00:39.44 | lcuk | im sure people have mc on their n900s |
| 00:39.47 | lcuk | :D |
| 00:40.07 | keshn | do you own one? |
| 00:40.40 | lcuk | what? |
| 00:41.32 | lcuk | keshn, http://maemo.org/packages/view/mc/ |
| 00:48.25 | MohammadAG | zaheerm, zoutube's not working again :) |
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| 01:08.45 | smackpotato | power users kernel. I like it. when is it comming to the n810 |
| 01:09.03 | asj | smackpotato: when you port it :) |
| 01:09.26 | smackpotato | give me a head start where is the source |
| 01:09.41 | asj | apt-get source no? |
| 01:10.03 | smackpotato | lol |
| 01:10.44 | MohammadAG | does the N810 even use the same kernel version? |
| 01:11.16 | smackpotato | no because the hardware is different |
| 01:12.54 | luke-jr | .. |
| 01:13.10 | luke-jr | smackpotato: his point being, we don't even have Linux ported to N810 yet |
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| 01:13.38 | keshn | N900 roxx |
| 01:13.42 | smackpotato | hu |
| 01:13.42 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, ty |
| 01:13.45 | keshn | my previous pda was an xda 02 |
| 01:14.06 | luke-jr | I agree, if considered a PDA, N900 does rock |
| 01:14.15 | luke-jr | smackpotato: http://elinux.org/N810#Status |
| 01:15.45 | smackpotato | thanks luke |
| 01:16.50 | lcuk | luke-jr, wheres n900 version |
| 01:17.12 | luke-jr | lcuk: I haven't looked into N900 enough yet :) |
| 01:17.25 | luke-jr | any idea: how much of the hardware is the same? |
| 01:17.39 | luke-jr | that is, whether it needs its own new table, or could feasably share this one |
| 01:18.22 | lcuk | luke-jr, the component base itself seems reasonable, the specific chips for each will have changed |
| 01:20.59 | luke-jr | so N900 has little, if anything, in common with N810 on the hardware end? |
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| 01:21.12 | luke-jr | mayeb just the touchscreen? |
| 01:21.32 | lcuk | luke-jr, its upgrades across the board |
| 01:21.37 | luke-jr | k |
| 01:21.52 | lcuk | how are you liking it as a device now you have one |
| 01:21.58 | luke-jr | lcuk: obviously you're welcome to copy the table and modify it for N900 on a N900 page ;) |
| 01:22.07 | luke-jr | lcuk: it's more usable than I expected, I admit |
| 01:22.19 | luke-jr | the small screen isn't as annoying as I thought |
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| 01:22.42 | DrGrov | Seriously... |
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| 01:22.57 | lcuk | luke-jr, that looks like a decent layout for a lot of things, reminds me of things i used to compile dynamically |
| 01:22.58 | luke-jr | I want to get Gentoo on it, but semi-scared of using internal flash for swap/build/etc |
| 01:23.01 | DrGrov | Why the fuck am I up still when the time is 04:22 morning? |
| 01:23.07 | Termana | yello |
| 01:23.09 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Wrong timezone? |
| 01:23.13 | lcuk | luke-jr, i keep wanting to click on items |
| 01:23.18 | asj | DrGrov: 11:23here... |
| 01:23.23 | luke-jr | DrGrov: are you tired? |
| 01:23.26 | MohammadAG | Thu Jul 1 04:23:25 IDT 2010 |
| 01:23.30 | MohammadAG | you don't see me complaining |
| 01:23.35 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: no, a chronic leg pain... |
| 01:24.12 | luke-jr | lcuk: some things are links |
| 01:24.18 | luke-jr | lcuk: to patches and such |
| 01:24.26 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: There are surefire ways to cure that. |
| 01:24.33 | SpeedEvil | starts his chainsaw. |
| 01:24.38 | luke-jr | ... |
| 01:24.39 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: do you have chronic leg pain? |
| 01:24.47 | MohammadAG | nope, but I can help solve yours |
| 01:24.52 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: no thanks |
| 01:24.53 | MohammadAG | fires up his chainsaw too |
| 01:24.55 | luke-jr | highly doubts chainsaw amputation is effective pain relief |
| 01:24.59 | DrGrov | You damn fuckers! |
| 01:25.10 | asj | MohammadAG: sadly, phantom pain can be a real problem |
| 01:25.11 | DrGrov | You are thinking about cutting off my leg? |
| 01:25.22 | asj | DrGrov: oh, just one? |
| 01:25.29 | Termana | DrGrov, NO why would we ever think that |
| 01:25.36 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, he'll lose consciousness when he uses the chainsaw, do you actually think we want to cut off his leg? |
| 01:25.37 | MohammadAG | s/uses/sees |
| 01:25.37 | Termana | /say /sarcasim |
| 01:25.39 | Termana | damn it |
| 01:25.41 | lcuk | luke-jr, yeah |
| 01:25.43 | Termana | /sarcasim |
| 01:25.46 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: LOL |
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| 01:26.54 | DrGrov | LOL |
| 01:27.35 | DrGrov | One treatment I have found though is to wrap the leg in extremely hot towels and try to sleep... |
| 01:27.43 | Termana | Shit. I just joined the NetBSD channel and went to join the FreeBSD channel and forgot the slash. :\ |
| 01:27.46 | DrGrov | It eventually works but it is a fucking PITA to go through |
| 01:28.41 | MohammadAG | just go to bed |
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| 01:28.56 | asj | DrGrov: better pain killers from the doctor? |
| 01:29.08 | DrGrov | asj: unfortunately they do not help |
| 01:29.16 | MohammadAG | think of chainsaws and flamethrowers |
| 01:29.18 | DrGrov | MohammadAG: does not help. been trying to get some sleep for the past 6 hours or so |
| 01:29.47 | MohammadAG | time a slingshot and put an N900 on it, then aim it towards your head |
| 01:29.58 | Termana | DrGrov, sleeping pills? |
| 01:30.22 | MohammadAG | sleeping bricks ftw |
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| 01:33.02 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Heat pads can help. |
| 01:33.34 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: yeah, I actually try to wrap my leg in hot and it usually does help |
| 01:33.55 | DrGrov | What I am wondering mostly about is that perhaps it is related to something more serious ... |
| 01:34.11 | SpeedEvil | If it's ongoing, it's probably a good idea to see a doc. |
| 01:34.24 | SpeedEvil | both legs? |
| 01:35.13 | DrGrov | Just the left leg. Perhaps something to do with my previous ice-hockey accident in which I broke the leg in 3 places... That is though about 15 years ago but the pain has become more severe over the years |
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| 01:36.33 | Termana | DrGrov, have you seen a doctor about it? |
| 01:36.56 | Termana | Especially if its getting worse every year, I would be checking up with my doctor with it |
| 01:37.34 | DrGrov | Termana: yeah now I have not checked it up since I was aware of the condition but now after it is getting worse I will go to a doc and see over it what might be the issue. |
| 01:44.53 | DrGrov | Or then I just chop the leg off |
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| 01:50.24 | keshn | woho just compiled my first helloworld program |
| 01:50.30 | keshn | helloworld: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 01:50.39 | keshn | :D |
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| 01:58.00 | pyther | keshn: did you used some type of guide? |
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| 02:07.53 | luke-jr | is there any lightweight Windows app compatible with N900 video calling? |
| 02:08.09 | DrGrov | It is good to get a kiss from a girl when waking up |
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| 02:34.10 | pigeon | any girl? |
| 02:36.19 | DrGrov | any girl? |
| 02:37.39 | pigeon | as in, any girl? or a specific girl? |
| 02:39.22 | johnx | or like the super hero? Any Girl to the rescue! |
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| 02:49.15 | Proteous | lol |
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| 03:02.23 | keshn | when people wake up their mouth stinks so no its not |
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| 04:13.12 | Macer | heh. i'm still kind of ticked that my bug for bluetooth keyboard support was marked as invalid |
| 04:13.15 | Macer | :) |
| 04:13.48 | Macer | because i didn't fill out the 20 page form that shows what my ssn is... where i was born.. what i like to do for fun..my blood type.. what version of maemo i run.. etc |
| 04:14.28 | Macer | and that my request for "add bluetooth keyboard support and place it in the settings app so people can use bluetooth keyboards with direct support" was "vague" |
| 04:14.31 | Macer | hahaha |
| 04:14.36 | Macer | awesome |
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| 04:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: probably if you think about it this way, then not even providing info about preferred position for sexual intercourse of the last 10 generations in your family would help |
| 04:24.39 | luke-jr | ... |
| 04:24.44 | luke-jr | people have preferred positions? |
| 04:25.15 | luke-jr | I'd think that would get old... |
| 04:25.15 | asj | luke-jr: really like who doesn't |
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| 04:25.55 | asj | Macer: sounds like it should have been closed with "Out of Scope" |
| 04:26.37 | luke-jr | which is worst? 1st or 3rd degree burns? |
| 04:26.56 | luke-jr | I just got the *other* kind of burn. :( |
| 04:27.14 | luke-jr | need to be more careful pouring vigourously boiling water... |
| 04:27.29 | Macer | haha |
| 04:27.36 | luke-jr | actually, it might be 2nd degree :/ |
| 04:27.47 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah. i forgot that part |
| 04:28.09 | Macer | asj: out of scope? :) |
| 04:28.50 | Macer | i'm sorry but i simply can not understand how m4 had perfectly good bt keyboard support but in m5 it is out of scope |
| 04:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: nah, you forgot to provide devels with a crisp terse exact description of your problem, along the lines common on tracker |
| 04:29.31 | asj | Macer: it has a keyboard, why would you want two ;) I'm teasing you |
| 04:29.53 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: add bluetooth keyboard support seems pretty straightforward |
| 04:29.53 | luke-jr | Macer: just yell 'regression' loud enough |
| 04:30.11 | Macer | luke-jr: like the braveheart "freedom" screaming moment at the end? |
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| 04:31.21 | Macer | ah well. i suppose having my ghetto bt keyboard support will do for the time being.. but i would think that with things like koffice and openoffice (which already works in the chroot) that someone might think that it would be nice to be able to use an actual keyboard on this thing :) |
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| 04:32.01 | Macer | i just can't see myself typing on the phone qwerty for 10 pages :) but typing on a bt keyboard to the phone using openoffice would be nice to do |
| 04:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 04:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | (DocScrutinizer: add bluetooth keyboard support seems pretty straightforward) No, even this has assumptions |
| 04:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | maybe the devel has working BT support on his device? |
| 04:35.20 | Macer | maybe i should have put "make bluetooth keyboard support work like it did in maemo 4" |
| 04:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes, for a headline that's a start |
| 04:35.50 | Macer | well. now it's hindsight |
| 04:36.13 | Macer | then there's option b ... making the same request a million times until someone bans my acct on bugzilla |
| 04:36.31 | Macer | every time it is marked as invalid just re-issue it :) |
| 04:36.52 | Macer | i mean i'm sure there are probably already a ton of people doing that for portrait desktop support |
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| 04:43.52 | asj | Macer: that's too long for a bug title and you assume the person used maemo4 |
| 04:44.27 | asj | (it's too long to be catchy anyways) |
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| 05:23.16 | RST38h | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2010/06/full-analysis-of-iphone-economics-its-bad-news-and-then-it-gets-worse.html |
| 05:23.19 | RST38h | Ehehehe |
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| 05:32.23 | asj | I think his numbers are out of whack |
| 05:32.35 | asj | "Today if you decide to develop a free app, you pay your $35,000 development" |
| 05:35.28 | asj | I'm not sure simple apps really cost $35,000 to develop, that's half a man year at 70k/year for example, assuming you're paying yourself for spare time work. Either way I think that's a looney number to start |
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| 05:39.33 | MiXu- | asj: Also, the article doesn't take into account that not all the apps exist because they're meant to bring revenue to the developers. |
| 05:39.54 | MiXu- | There are lots of apps that complement some other service. |
| 05:40.11 | MiXu- | Like facebook app, youtube app, cnn surely has some app, etc. |
| 05:40.30 | asj | good point |
| 05:40.43 | MiXu- | You need to exclude all those to get any sane numbers |
| 05:41.21 | MiXu- | Although he does exclude them from the revenue calculation :) |
| 05:42.11 | ljp | I'm quite sure iFart didnt take $35,000 to develop :) |
| 05:42.30 | MiXu- | :D |
| 05:42.49 | asj | it's an odd article, and I'll always fall back to my uncle. develops iphone apps in his spare time, simple dumb apps he bangs out in a few weeks. Let's say an app brings in $1000. That's not bad really |
| 05:43.38 | asj | ljp: well...you don't know the modelling costs....it's hard to get a model to fart on demand with just the right sound, and then you get a cargo load and you have to toss the mic... |
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| 05:45.16 | kshlm | hey |
| 05:45.31 | kshlm | i wanted to store username and passwords on mameo |
| 05:45.50 | kshlm | is there anything like a wallet fo maemo |
| 05:46.03 | asj | yes, look in the app manager |
| 05:46.11 | asj | there's 3 at least |
| 05:46.35 | kshlm | anything built in |
| 05:46.37 | kshlm | ? |
| 05:46.46 | asj | <boggle> |
| 05:46.51 | kshlm | i want to use with an app i;m makein |
| 05:47.37 | ljp | nothing built in |
| 05:48.13 | asj | the only thing that uses password beyond wifi is microb? |
| 05:48.49 | kshlm | waht do the inbuilt apps like the im& voip use to store the details? |
| 05:49.00 | kshlm | do they store it by themselves? |
| 05:50.40 | asj | kshlm: probably, single use device doesn't have such high security issues...unless you lose your phone |
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| 05:52.42 | kshlm | asj: right now i'm forcing the user to login everytime, looks like in terms of security this will be better |
| 05:52.59 | kshlm | asj: but it is frustating to login everytime |
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| 05:54.05 | asj | kshlm: depends on the security and the number of times the user has to login, but you have the option of allowing it to be stored and then having the user set a lock code if he wants it |
| 05:54.21 | asj | kshlm: phone lock code that is |
| 05:56.47 | kshlm | asj: security not needed much |
| 05:57.31 | kshlm | asj: think i'll just store the stuff in a configuration file |
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| 05:59.48 | asj | kshlm: :) |
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| 05:59.55 | luke-jr | ponders hacking a MicroCell and upping the range to the max unregulated |
| 06:00.09 | luke-jr | (and redirecting calls/data to my own network, of course) |
| 06:00.40 | kshlm | asj: thanks for helping me decide :) |
| 06:01.09 | asj | kshlm: make sure to rot13 is before storing it to keep it safe ;) |
| 06:01.52 | vanadismobile | two times rot13 for doubled security!!11 |
| 06:01.53 | archn00b | good evening everyone. Has anyone ever used http://keepvid.com on a desktop/workstation? you paste the url of a youtube video and it then gives you links to various formats you can download for that video, some of which are the HQ versions. Now I use this a lot on the desktop, works nicely and it does use java. However, when I try to use it on the n900, it loads and loads the java applet, but nothing after that happens. Usually on the desktop you have to like a |
| 06:02.27 | Wolfie | n900 has no java, afaik |
| 06:02.33 | archn00b | any idea what I can do here to make it work off the n900? would be nice to be able to download a hq video of a youtube vid and just show it to others offline later on (sort of like mytube, but that doesn't do hq ones) |
| 06:02.33 | Wolfie | thus, no applets either |
| 06:02.38 | archn00b | Wolfie: I see |
| 06:03.04 | kshlm | asj: will kepp it in mind |
| 06:03.33 | Rabidus | uuh.. "evening". 9am here :) |
| 06:03.53 | asj | vanadismobile: I used 4x rot13 on this message, that's why you can't read it ;p |
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| 06:04.58 | vanadismobile | pretty hardcore asj |
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| 06:12.57 | Pavlov | can anyone think of why an app built debug would crash calling atexit()? |
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| 06:34.30 | D-Iivili_Work | Good morning |
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| 06:40.48 | frals | mornin o/ |
| 06:45.13 | D-Iivili_Work | what's up here? |
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| 06:50.58 | ebzzry | Hi! Is there a thread on tmo comparing all the available browsers for Maemo5? |
| 06:52.43 | Pavlov | a few |
| 06:53.29 | D-Iivili_Work | whoa! 17 votes over night :O |
| 06:53.32 | D-Iivili_Work | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.000/ |
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| 06:54.28 | aretrfre34 | hi |
| 06:54.33 | D-Iivili_Work | Hi |
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| 06:55.29 | aretrfre34 | D-Iivili_Work:just installed gpsd, where's the gps device file in maemo? |
| 06:55.42 | D-Iivili_Work | aretrfre34, come again? |
| 06:55.51 | aretrfre34 | ok |
| 06:55.52 | D-Iivili_Work | gps device file in maemo? |
| 06:56.25 | aretrfre34 | sorry, in n900 maemo os |
| 06:56.39 | D-Iivili_Work | What do you mean by gpd device file? |
| 06:57.33 | aretrfre34 | not gpd, GPS |
| 06:57.48 | D-Iivili_Work | sorry, typo. What do you mean by GPS device file? |
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| 06:58.39 | D-Iivili_Work | aretrfre34, in short: what do you want to do? |
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| 07:01.41 | D-Iivili_Work | aretrfre34, launch the program you just installed or what? |
| 07:01.46 | aretrfre34 | i mean a device to which the "gpsd" daemon going to access, to retrieve data from it |
| 07:01.46 | aretrfre34 | http://code.google.com/p/gmapcatcher/ |
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| 07:02.12 | aretrfre34 | to get my location show to up, i need to run gpsd, gpsd need a device name, which i can't find cos don't know |
| 07:02.14 | tristan | heh |
| 07:02.46 | dotblank | aww netsplit |
| 07:02.46 | tristan | can you guys not see timestamps in sshd irssi or is it my theme |
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| 07:03.13 | aretrfre34 | to get my location show up, i need to run gpsd, gpsd need a device name, which i can't find, help me, anyone |
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| 07:04.15 | D-Iivili_Work | aretrfre34, aah. Okay, now I got you. Though I don't know so no help :-D |
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| 07:04.35 | aretrfre34 | great anyways |
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| 07:07.52 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:08.05 | D-Iivili_Work | Morning Jaffa |
| 07:08.07 | frals | morning Jaffa |
| 07:08.18 | timeless_mbp | rotten day |
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| 07:08.41 | frals | weather yesterday on the tram claimed itd be sunny today :| |
| 07:09.00 | asj | it was sunny today |
| 07:10.08 | frals | not in HEL :[ |
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| 07:31.01 | kerio | ok, i'm back - i'm the guy who chsh'd and locked himself out of his n900 - any more ideas before i reflash? |
| 07:31.18 | D-Iivili_Work | Can someone tell me how to display a notification banner from command line? |
| 07:31.27 | johnx | kerio, uhm, how far does it boot? |
| 07:31.38 | D-Iivili_Work | I mean the basic "maemo" notification banner (yellow) which pops up ie. when you connect a charger |
| 07:31.39 | kerio | johnx: it's still on |
| 07:31.53 | kerio | i don't want to reboot because i'm really afraid it's not going to boot |
| 07:31.56 | asj | D-Iivili_Work: I think there's a dbus call |
| 07:32.01 | johnx | what did you chsh to? |
| 07:32.08 | kerio | /bin/bash |
| 07:32.14 | kerio | and now x terminal crashes before loading |
| 07:32.21 | kerio | and i can't change it back |
| 07:32.22 | kerio | :/ |
| 07:32.24 | johnx | can you ssh to it? |
| 07:32.26 | asj | kerio: sshd installed? |
| 07:32.27 | kerio | nope |
| 07:32.36 | kerio | asj: yeah, but i didn't set a password for user |
| 07:32.36 | johnx | what happens if you try to install it? |
| 07:32.40 | D-Iivili_Work | asj, thanks! |
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| 07:32.43 | D-Iivili_Work | asj, found it :) |
| 07:32.46 | kerio | and it doesn't let me login as root |
| 07:32.51 | kerio | johnx: no, it's installed |
| 07:32.55 | johnx | aah |
| 07:33.04 | kerio | meh, screw this, i'm reflashing |
| 07:33.09 | johnx | alright |
| 07:33.14 | asj | kerio: use the app manager and reinstall it |
| 07:33.23 | kerio | no way to run commands as root and no way to write in /etc/shells means i can't change the shell back anyway |
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| 07:33.23 | asj | set the root password when it asks, then log in :) |
| 07:33.29 | kerio | asj: i did |
| 07:33.33 | kerio | it's the correct password |
| 07:33.36 | asj | bugger |
| 07:33.52 | kerio | i looked at /etc/passwd and crypto'ed it on my computer and it's the same |
| 07:34.26 | johnx | did you install the bash package? |
| 07:34.32 | asj | kerio: you have vim installed? |
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| 07:35.08 | kerio | guys thanks for your help, but i'm reflashing it |
| 07:35.17 | johnx | alright. fair enough :) |
| 07:35.18 | kerio | and yeah, it's not booting |
| 07:35.21 | kerio | (just a last try) |
| 07:35.28 | kerio | i wonder why though |
| 07:35.44 | kerio | i mean, bash should be compatible with the posix sh |
| 07:36.02 | johnx | yeah, but there are likely ash'isms here |
| 07:36.05 | asj | cool, in vim :! works |
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| 07:37.23 | kerio | hmm, is there any way i can avoid a complete reflash? |
| 07:37.42 | johnx | did you just reboot it? |
| 07:37.47 | kerio | yeah, it's not booting |
| 07:37.50 | johnx | if yes, then probably no |
| 07:38.03 | johnx | if you'd left it up, I was relatively confident about finding a way in |
| 07:38.09 | johnx | especially since you could still install packages |
| 07:38.21 | kerio | meh |
| 07:38.29 | johnx | you could have just made a deb that removed roots password or set your shell :P |
| 07:38.32 | kerio | i've been using it for less than a day |
| 07:38.38 | kerio | johnx: i thought about that |
| 07:38.48 | asj | johnx: I'm curious if my vim :! would work :) |
| 07:38.50 | kerio | editing the postinstall script to add chsh -s /bin/sh user && chsh -s /bin/sh root |
| 07:38.56 | kerio | asj: vim runs as root? |
| 07:39.00 | kerio | oh right |
| 07:39.05 | kerio | sudo gainroot after that |
| 07:39.26 | asj | kerio: no, as the user, yeah. It probably runs it through system so it might need a valid shell, but <shrug> |
| 07:39.38 | johnx | can't you :! anything? |
| 07:40.09 | kerio | ok, flashed it |
| 07:40.11 | kerio | "yay" |
| 07:40.33 | johnx | cheater :P |
| 07:40.36 | asj | johnx: yeah, but vim uses system(3) then that does /bin/sh -c command |
| 07:40.53 | johnx | ah, so actually that probably would work just fine |
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| 07:41.01 | asj | johnx: yeah :| |
| 07:41.03 | johnx | for some reason I was thinking it would exec() |
| 07:41.09 | asj | kerio: do it again, I want to see if it would work :) |
| 07:41.22 | kerio | lol |
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| 07:42.48 | kerio | this is weird... my desktop looks *kinda* the old one |
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| 07:43.32 | kerio | oh right installed applications |
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| 07:44.35 | redeeman | hello |
| 07:44.48 | redeeman | have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? |
| 07:46.44 | johnx | hey, if anyone finds a way to do that, do tell |
| 07:46.55 | redeeman | people in here were working on it |
| 07:47.00 | redeeman | but i havent kept up |
| 07:47.03 | redeeman | as im in the phillipines |
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| 07:47.09 | redeeman | however the new one really slows down |
| 07:47.10 | johnx | and I've been off IRC |
| 07:47.11 | redeeman | so i'd love to revert |
| 07:47.31 | redeeman | probably i talked to you about it before leaving :P |
| 07:47.47 | johnx | nah. I haven't been on IRC since ... maybe april? |
| 07:47.55 | redeeman | i left a month ago |
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| 07:51.47 | redeeman | doesnt look like theres much success |
| 07:51.47 | redeeman | damn |
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| 07:52.01 | kerio | what's wrong with the physical keyboard? |
| 07:52.11 | johnx | numbers |
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| 07:52.24 | kerio | ooh, good point |
| 07:52.38 | kerio | typing ip addresses is somewhat annoying |
| 07:52.52 | redeeman | and also annoying to sometimes have it open |
| 07:52.53 | johnx | also, sometimes it's nice to be able to use a decent onscreen keyboard if you're just typing a URL or something |
| 07:52.57 | redeeman | the 1.1 onscreen keyboard was great |
| 07:52.59 | kerio | (probably ot - is Documents To Go worth it?) |
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| 07:53.29 | kerio | (i mean, the viewer) |
| 07:53.29 | johnx | redeeman, yeah. same one (essentially) as they shipped with maemo 3 on the N800 (or was it from earlier?) |
| 07:53.40 | redeeman | i only have n900 |
| 07:54.03 | mirf | is it possible to set up hosts file to redirect addresses depending on which iface is being used? |
| 07:54.20 | kerio | mirf: probably switching the hosts file on-the-fly |
| 07:54.39 | kerio | but you'll probably have some issues with the dns caching of single programs anyway |
| 07:55.11 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, ping |
| 07:55.29 | jacekowski | http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/USBSniffer |
| 07:55.32 | jacekowski | that's nice thing |
| 07:55.47 | mirf | I wondered about that kerio |
| 07:56.00 | mirf | some kind of scipt that checks |
| 07:56.30 | mirf | it's only for one site so dns cache won't really matter |
| 07:56.47 | kerio | hold on, a site? |
| 07:56.51 | kerio | what kind of switch do you want? |
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| 07:58.22 | mirf | well when I'm on local network the website is on a local IP so I've pue an entry in hosts to make it work like I'm on the web |
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| 07:58.49 | mirf | really I just need a script that comments out the last line when I'm on GPRS |
| 07:58.56 | kerio | why, can't you just use the same address and let it sort it out? |
| 07:59.13 | mirf | can't resolve it from inside the lan |
| 07:59.16 | kerio | why not? |
| 08:00.08 | kerio | should i add extras-devel if i don't know what i'm doing? |
| 08:00.20 | johnx | kerio, no |
| 08:00.26 | kerio | aww :( |
| 08:00.35 | johnx | extras testing if you're careful |
| 08:00.44 | johnx | better benefit/risk ratio :) |
| 08:00.46 | kerio | heh, it reminds me of my old debian box |
| 08:00.51 | kerio | started as a *stable* |
| 08:00.57 | kerio | by the end it was a sid/experimental |
| 08:01.05 | D-Iivili_Work | "i don't know what i'm doing?" :D |
| 08:01.57 | kerio | isn't there a way to "queue" applications to install with the application manager so i can install multiple applications at once? |
| 08:01.57 | mirf | well according to the internet the web address points at my external IP which I can't connect to from inside the network, fairly standard setup as far as I know |
| 08:02.15 | mirf | you can with apt-get |
| 08:02.18 | kerio | mirf: huh? can you reach the internet? |
| 08:02.21 | D-Iivili_Work | kerio, by apt-get install |
| 08:02.34 | mirf | yes I can reach the internet |
| 08:02.41 | kerio | is the website accessible from the internet? |
| 08:03.06 | mirf | yes |
| 08:03.14 | kerio | so why can't you reach that website? |
| 08:03.24 | kerio | :/ |
| 08:03.26 | kerio | is confused |
| 08:03.50 | mirf | the server is on the internalt lan |
| 08:03.57 | mirf | so I can access it by using an internal IP |
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| 08:05.02 | D-Iivili_Work | mirf, you need to setup a port forwarding @ your router to forward the trafic from your external IP to your internal one (the server). |
| 08:05.20 | kerio | it already has that |
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| 08:05.35 | jaem_n900 | 'Morning |
| 08:05.36 | kerio | he *can* access the same website from his mobile connection |
| 08:05.44 | D-Iivili_Work | umm.. then what's the problem? |
| 08:06.07 | kerio | i don't know |
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| 08:06.16 | kerio | he wants to use the internal ip for some reason, when he can |
| 08:06.26 | D-Iivili_Work | I mean what he want's to do and what he cannot do right now? |
| 08:06.33 | pahartik | mirf: Point hostname to localhost and use "socat" to redirect some port? |
| 08:06.51 | johnx | or run a split-view dns server |
| 08:07.07 | D-Iivili_Work | ~seen X-Fade |
| 08:07.08 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 19h 22m 40s) #meego (1d 19h 22m 40s). Has said a total of 172 messages. Is idling for 11h 33m 40s, last said: 'lbt: Otherwise we can web scrape ;)'. |
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| 08:08.02 | jaem_n900 | I noticed that the lens cover position on the N900 is sensed by an reflective optical sensor. Does that manually shut down the camera, or can you override the sense in software? |
| 08:08.33 | kerio | heh, i love how po |
| 08:08.35 | kerio | er |
| 08:08.41 | jaem_n900 | My friend asked me to check, as he wants to run the camera with the lens cover closed. |
| 08:08.49 | kerio | how most solutions to a given problem involve installing a daemon |
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| 08:08.54 | jaem_n900 | :) |
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| 08:08.57 | mirf | the web name will not resolve from inside the lan, not too hard to understand really |
| 08:09.08 | kerio | mirf: why not? that makes no sense |
| 08:09.25 | mirf | pahartik: what is socat? |
| 08:09.29 | johnx | kerio, I meant on his router or whatever internal server is hosting the service in the first place |
| 08:09.38 | mirf | t makes perfect sense |
| 08:09.44 | BCMM | jaem_n900: using mplayer, i can get a boring picture of the inside of the lens cover |
| 08:09.45 | D-Iivili_Work | mirf, ofcourse you cannot access to your server from same LAN using web-address. Router goes grazy at that point. |
| 08:09.51 | mirf | yes I know taht |
| 08:09.54 | D-Iivili_Work | ok :D |
| 08:10.01 | BCMM | jaem_n900: why does he want to do that, btw? |
| 08:10.03 | D-Iivili_Work | Then what the hell are we talking about here? :D |
| 08:10.07 | kerio | D-Iivili_Work: why? :O |
| 08:10.17 | johnx | it doesn't need to go crazy ... it could just happily route you back in |
| 08:10.18 | mirf | this is why I want my hosts file to switch dependeing on whethere I'm on my wifi connection or mobile web |
| 08:10.23 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, excellent, that's what we want... possibly. |
| 08:10.26 | kerio | i can connect to my ddns address from within my lan |
| 08:10.28 | D-Iivili_Work | kerio, because that's the way it works by default. |
| 08:10.38 | D-Iivili_Work | :D |
| 08:10.44 | jaem_n900 | Do you know the command off-hand? I'm not familiar with that. |
| 08:10.48 | D-Iivili_Work | is not an expert with networking |
| 08:11.33 | pahartik | mirf: "multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer" |
| 08:11.41 | mirf | wow |
| 08:11.43 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, he wants to try using CCD noise as a random seed. Thoughts? |
| 08:11.57 | mirf | pahartik: hardcore :P |
| 08:12.02 | BCMM | jaem_n900: doesn't the n900 have a /dev/random? |
| 08:12.44 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, yes, he would like a /dev/morerandom ;) |
| 08:13.01 | SwedeMike | nine, nine, nine. |
| 08:13.12 | kerio | /dev/doubleplusrandom |
| 08:13.15 | jaem_n900 | I don't know how well it would work in this case, but that's the intent. |
| 08:13.39 | kerio | jaem_n900: /dev/random is guaranteed to be cryptosafe |
| 08:13.43 | kerio | what more do you want |
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| 08:15.06 | BCMM | jaem_n900: if all you want it a seed, /dev/random should do |
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| 08:15.23 | BCMM | jaem_n900: if you need large amounts of random data, it can be an issue |
| 08:15.39 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, that too. |
| 08:15.47 | kerio | linux should use the camera for random data anyway |
| 08:15.50 | kerio | right? |
| 08:15.52 | jaem_n900 | Mostly, we just wanted to see if it was possible. |
| 08:15.59 | jaem_n900 | kerio, does it? |
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| 08:17.02 | jaem_n900 | I certainly don't know. |
| 08:17.36 | kerio | not sure about the standard kernel, but most linux kernels do indeed use peripherals as sources of entropy |
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| 08:18.13 | jaem_n900 | nods |
| 08:18.18 | BCMM | from wikipedia "It is also possible to write to /dev/random. This allows any user to mix random data into the pool." |
| 08:18.32 | jaem_n900 | Interesting... |
| 08:18.38 | BCMM | the camara will not be used as an entropy source when not in use |
| 08:18.43 | BCMM | since it will be powered down then |
| 08:18.49 | kerio | well, of course |
| 08:18.50 | kerio | :) |
| 08:18.59 | jaem_n900 | Also on my list - a hardware bitbucket! |
| 08:19.02 | BCMM | but you could probably use it to help increase the entropy by cating it to devrandom |
| 08:19.05 | jaem_n900 | is joking |
| 08:19.16 | johnx | I like the idea of holding the shutter button with the lens cover closed to "give your entropy pool a turbo boost" |
| 08:19.36 | kerio | johnx: "bashing on the keyboard like a monkey" is cooler |
| 08:19.43 | jaem_n900 | johnx, yes, we should market it that way. |
| 08:19.45 | kerio | for... some values of cool i guess |
| 08:19.45 | jaem_n900 | The N900 - now with a Turbo button! |
| 08:19.46 | johnx | if the n900 catches flack for being too geeky, it might as well live up to it |
| 08:19.47 | pahartik | mirf: I use it to redirect things between IPv6 and IPv4, for example... |
| 08:19.56 | jaem_n900 | It makes your bits more random! |
| 08:20.28 | jaem_n900 | johnx, I'll be sure to credit you if we do that ;) |
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| 08:20.33 | mirf | pahartik: I think it's a bit more than I need but I'll certainly check it out |
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| 08:21.03 | BCMM | kerio: is it ssh-keygen that actually asks you to flail your mouse to make it work faster? |
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| 08:21.04 | jaem_n900 | I lost my Nokia USB cable on the train home last night. :( |
| 08:21.13 | mirf | though I'm not feeling very sane about the set up anymore - I always thought it was normal for routers to do that |
| 08:21.15 | BCMM | kerio: something does |
| 08:21.28 | kerio | BCMM: probably |
| 08:21.34 | kerio | opera mini on every phone does |
| 08:21.38 | jaem_n900 | Considering I have two more, and they're cheap, it's probably not worth even going to pick it up if they turn it in. |
| 08:21.53 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, that rings a bell, but not ssh-keygen, IIRC |
| 08:21.58 | jaem_n900 | Let me check |
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| 08:22.32 | jaem_n900 | Not in the Maemo build, at least. I've seen what you're thinking of, though. |
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| 08:22.59 | kerio | heh, you could use the accelerometer to give entropy to /dev/random |
| 08:23.00 | BCMM | jaem_n900: you're right, it isn't ssh-keygen |
| 08:23.04 | nidO | truecrypt asks for a bit of mouse-flailing |
| 08:23.11 | johnx | mirf, I've seen it both ways really |
| 08:23.13 | BCMM | kerio: that is actually a very fun idea |
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| 08:23.31 | kerio | "Shake your phone like a monkey to generate the key faster" |
| 08:23.36 | BCMM | jaem_n900: i want to know what it is now, so i can benchmark it while using the cam and accelerometer |
| 08:23.56 | pahartik | mirf: Another possibility, redirect port on localhost through SSH, to always use your service from inside LAN... |
| 08:24.37 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, ha... I don't remember. Do you know for certain that the stock Fremantle kernel uses the camera? |
| 08:24.47 | kerio | no |
| 08:24.52 | jaem_n900 | kerio, ssh-keygen is pretty quick on-device anyway, IIRC |
| 08:24.53 | kerio | i just bought this thing yesterday! |
| 08:25.06 | rmrfchik | hm, how to install my lovely ttf into maemo? |
| 08:25.08 | BCMM | jaem_n900: i know almost for certain that it does not use the camera when the camera is not on |
| 08:25.23 | BCMM | jaem_n900: i was suggest cat /dev/video0 > /dev/random |
| 08:25.40 | jaem_n900 | rmrfchik, well, putting it in ~/.fonts should work |
| 08:26.13 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, right... Is /dev/video0 the rear camera, then? |
| 08:26.30 | jaem_n900 | Note to self: do not use IRC when walking across the street at 1am... :P |
| 08:26.32 | BCMM | jaem_n900: i can't remember, actually |
| 08:26.41 | jaem_n900 | BCMM, meh, I can check |
| 08:26.42 | BCMM | oh, now i think about it, it was probably gpg |
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| 08:27.00 | jaem_n900 | I think you're right... |
| 08:27.36 | rmrfchik | jaem_n900: thanks. works fine. |
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| 08:30.55 | dazo | ssh-keygen asks you do do disk activity, iirc |
| 08:31.12 | jaem_n900 | rmrfchik, out of curiousity, which font? |
| 08:31.12 | jaem_n900 | By the way, does anyone know how the Fremantle PDF Reader handles DRM? Okular on my laptop handles it quite nicely - with a checkbox that says "obey restrictions?" :P |
| 08:31.31 | Lantizia | Can I install the .install files from the cmd line? then apt-update and apt-get what I want out of it? |
| 08:31.50 | jaem_n900 | dazo, cat /dev/zero > ~/foo |
| 08:32.06 | rmrfchik | jaem_n900: Monaco from MacOS |
| 08:32.15 | dazo | heh ... more like find / > /dev/null :) |
| 08:32.24 | kerio | wtf? i can't change user's password? |
| 08:32.37 | jaem_n900 | Lantizia, to my knowledge, not by default |
| 08:32.40 | rmrfchik | jaem_n900: it installed fine but useless because of invalid i18n |
| 08:32.41 | dazo | likes the idea of using the accelerometer for entropy collection though |
| 08:32.49 | Lantizia | jaem_n900, do you know what handles the .install files? |
| 08:33.16 | jaem_n900 | It would probably be fairly simple to write a small script that would make that possible. |
| 08:33.16 | jaem_n900 | In fact, I'd be surprised if someone hadn't done so, but I haven't actually seen one. |
| 08:33.16 | jaem_n900 | If you open it in a text editor, though, it should be readable and straight-forward to do manually. |
| 08:33.46 | Lantizia | jaem_n900, pretty sure I've seen it already done - just can't remember how |
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| 08:35.29 | kerio | ok, i'm linking /usr/bin/vim to /bin/vi |
| 08:35.32 | kerio | would that blow stuff up? |
| 08:36.28 | D-Iivili_Work | Hmm... how to make shell script wait for two seconds before moving on to next line on the script? |
| 08:36.34 | kerio | sleep 2 |
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| 08:36.38 | D-Iivili_Work | thx |
| 08:36.59 | johnx | echo "please wait two seconds and then press enter." ; read |
| 08:37.27 | johnx | users always get a free ride. make *them* work for a change |
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| 08:38.02 | kerio | lol |
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| 08:38.13 | kerio | johnx: you mean sleep 2; read |
| 08:38.31 | kerio | actually, make a program that tells the user "MORON!" if he presses enter before two seconds |
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| 08:38.59 | jaem_n900_ | Hmm... data connection dropped out... odd. |
| 08:39.33 | johnx | kerio, "You pressed it too soon, formatting /home ... Done" |
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| 08:44.04 | jacekowski | is that /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus indicating prescence of 5V on usb port or is it something else? |
| 08:44.55 | oKtosiTe | Hello. today after booting up my n900, I noticed the Availability icon and the option to set it are gone. What might cause this? |
| 08:45.23 | jacekowski | they disappear if you have all accounts disabled |
| 08:45.31 | jacekowski | you have to go to settings |
| 08:46.06 | kerio | also if you don't have an open connection i think? |
| 08:46.13 | oKtosiTe | they're all enabled |
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| 08:46.33 | johnx | and what is presence set to? |
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| 08:48.46 | oKtosiTe | never mind. for some unclear reason all account passwords dissappeared. Thanks for getting me in the right direction! |
| 08:52.39 | oKtosiTe | Let's just hope it was a one time thing. |
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| 08:55.20 | johnx | hope so. hasn't happened to me except when I reflashed, started setting up accounts, then restored the backup I'd made |
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| 08:55.31 | johnx | but that was in the 1.0 timeframe, not 1.2 |
| 08:55.53 | _0x47 | any suggestions what would be an good name for a already existing package that has to be named differently? original names: libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev. best guess: libsdl-mixer1.2.8, libsdl-mixer1.2.8-dev. what do you think? |
| 08:57.33 | johnx | err, why do they have to be named differently? |
| 08:58.00 | _0x47 | because it's not allowed to overwrite nokia packages |
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| 08:59.41 | kerio | easy debian is slow to download :( |
| 08:59.45 | johnx | hmmm, I'm not a nokian, but it might be good to include the thing that's fixed/changed/hacked in your own version of that package |
| 09:00.17 | johnx | so like libsdl-mixer1.2-esd |
| 09:00.25 | jaem_n900_ | kerio: I told qole that, and offered to mirror it. He told me what his current download stats are, and I withdrew the offer. :P |
| 09:00.50 | johnx | ahaha |
| 09:01.01 | kerio | lol |
| 09:01.12 | johnx | I bet he'd run through my monthly bandwidth allotment in a day |
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| 09:02.27 | kerio | huh? Mobile Maps is free for 7 days? |
| 09:02.45 | kerio | oh, not ovi maps |
| 09:02.46 | kerio | i see |
| 09:02.55 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, well, IIRC our server has a 200GB cap, and we can add more at a fairly cheap rate. However, with the usage he quoted, we'd still have to ask for donations to pay for it. :P |
| 09:03.12 | jaem_n900_ | It's with Linode. They're pretty cool. |
| 09:03.21 | johnx | yup |
| 09:03.45 | jaem_n900_ | is debating whether to go to work tomorrow... |
| 09:03.48 | johnx | I run a lot of my work stuff with them, and my own stuff with prgmr.com who is equally cool, but a little different |
| 09:04.01 | johnx | jaem_n900_, why wait? go to work *right now* |
| 09:04.21 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, well, it's Canada Day tomorrow (technically today)... |
| 09:04.44 | johnx | ah |
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| 09:04.48 | johnx | happy canada day |
| 09:04.54 | jaem_n900_ | The thing is, my uni is paying me out of a fixed grant, so if I take stat pay, I just get less money the next day. ;) |
| 09:04.58 | Nadley | hi everybody |
| 09:05.03 | D-Iivili_Work | is loosing his mind with disappearing python widgets while changing theme |
| 09:05.06 | johnx | going to set off some fireworks? |
| 09:05.14 | jaem_n900_ | I do have some stuff I want to get done, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. |
| 09:05.33 | jaem_n900_ | If I can figure out how to tether my laptop, I may just head to the beach and work there. Heh. |
| 09:05.46 | johnx | sand is the enemy of all electronics |
| 09:05.48 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, thanks. :) And no, not personally. |
| 09:05.52 | johnx | just don't |
| 09:06.04 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, I didn't mean "the beach" as in the sandy part. |
| 09:06.09 | johnx | aaaah |
| 09:06.10 | jaem_n900_ | Just somewhere nearby |
| 09:06.47 | johnx | I have to admit I dream of the day when I can sit with my feet in the water, a beer in my hand and not worry about my electronics dying a horrible death |
| 09:06.48 | jaem_n900_ | There are plenty of nice spots in Vancouver, and not having to have wifi available makes it a lot easier. |
| 09:07.21 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, hello |
| 09:07.31 | Nadley | I have a little question : I want to hard reset my N900. I have to flash first the eMMC or the other files |
| 09:07.37 | Nadley | *file |
| 09:07.57 | johnx | first the rootfs, then without letting it reboot, reflash the emmc |
| 09:08.14 | RST38h | heya, johhnx |
| 09:08.15 | kerio | flasher-3.5 -F $path_to_rootfs -f |
| 09:08.19 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, Yes, do exactly what it says on the wiki page, in the bottom section. |
| 09:08.21 | johnx | hey RST38h :D |
| 09:08.25 | RST38h | long time no see |
| 09:08.29 | kerio | then flasher-3.5 -F $path_to_emmc -f -R |
| 09:08.35 | johnx | jaem_n900_, heh. "do as I say, not as I do" : http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/2800651680/ |
| 09:08.43 | Nadley | but the wiki flash first the emmc |
| 09:08.51 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, note the lack of "-R" in the first command. |
| 09:08.52 | pupnik_ | choice http://kuvaton.com/browse/15100/iphone.jpeg |
| 09:08.54 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, been lacking in motivation lately, but my pandora finally arrived and so did meego handset ux |
| 09:09.01 | johnx | so I figure I'll put my hacking hat back on |
| 09:09.09 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, woo! |
| 09:09.11 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: can I have a link ? |
| 09:09.20 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, one moment... |
| 09:09.28 | Nadley | thanks a lot |
| 09:09.51 | jaem_n900_ | By the way, has anyone tried running Quassel on Maemo? |
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| 09:10.09 | jaem_n900_ | I remember trying it a year or so ago on the desktop and liking it. |
| 09:11.13 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 09:11.38 | jaem_n900_ | It's a bit verbose, but the commands kerio just gave are correct, and sufficient. |
| 09:12.01 | kerio | as usual run the first, connect while pushing u, wait for the first flash then run the second |
| 09:13.09 | BCMM | anyone else find mapero 3.0+beta9 tends to crash? |
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| 09:14.01 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, no, I don't think I've updated to beta9 yet. |
| 09:14.06 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: yes it is verbose but it is my first time so I like to understand what I'm going to do. |
| 09:14.22 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: which brings me to another question... |
| 09:14.38 | BCMM | i'm a debian n00b - how can i install an older version of a package? |
| 09:14.39 | jaem_n900_ | Go on... |
| 09:14.53 | johnx | BCMM, apt-get install foo=1.3 |
| 09:14.54 | BCMM | (than the most current one in the repo) |
| 09:14.59 | BCMM | johnx: neat |
| 09:15.10 | johnx | where foo is the package, and 1.3 is the *exact* version string you want |
| 09:15.17 | BCMM | johnx: and what happens with updates? does installing that way mean that it never updates till i ask it to? |
| 09:15.22 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, does that work with inequality operators too? |
| 09:15.22 | johnx | nope |
| 09:15.29 | johnx | you need to hold it |
| 09:15.38 | johnx | jaem_n900_, huh. I actually have no idea |
| 09:15.41 | BCMM | johnx: what does that mean? |
| 09:16.01 | johnx | errr, look up "debian setting a package to hold" or similar |
| 09:16.02 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, "put a hold on" the package. |
| 09:16.08 | jaem_n900_ | I forget how to do it too. :P |
| 09:16.18 | johnx | I think it's a dpkg switch |
| 09:16.26 | johnx | I use aptitude mostly now ... |
| 09:16.37 | jaem_n900_ | I'm not a hige fan of Debian packaging. Don't even get me started on dpkg-query... :P |
| 09:16.40 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, ? |
| 09:16.49 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: yes ? |
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| 09:17.25 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, you said you had another question...? |
| 09:17.32 | johnx | jaem_n900_, is there a reason to use that over apt-cache or apt-file? |
| 09:18.04 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, dpkg-query? Yes - it does something entirely different. |
| 09:18.22 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: yes my battery it is 80% full I can flash or should I have to fully charge it |
| 09:18.33 | kerio | go ahead |
| 09:18.35 | D-Iivili_Work | Nadley, I would flash |
| 09:18.46 | jaem_n900_ | That's part of the reason I dislike the system - Arch streamlines almost everything into one command with convenient switches. |
| 09:19.13 | jaem_n900_ | Debian has all manner of different things with little design continuity in the user-facing interfaces. |
| 09:19.24 | jaem_n900_ | Sure, it's more powerful, but I like KISS |
| 09:19.43 | kerio | dpkg never faces the user |
| 09:19.47 | kerio | at least, not *that* kind of user |
| 09:19.56 | jaem_n900_ | kerio, it faces me. |
| 09:20.04 | kerio | you're not that kind of user then |
| 09:20.04 | kerio | :) |
| 09:20.29 | jaem_n900_ | dpkg, apt-get, and dpkg-query are all entirely different to use. |
| 09:20.43 | kerio | and you know the difference between each other |
| 09:21.11 | Nadley | kerio: you say I can flash or I miss understand ? |
| 09:21.32 | kerio | Nadley: there's a window of a couple of milliseconds where something *could* go wrong if the power is cut |
| 09:21.39 | kerio | but USB powers the phone anyway |
| 09:21.40 | johnx | jaem_n900_, agreed. I also like programming in scheme. But Debian and PHP are a livable compromise most days :) |
| 09:22.40 | johnx | though actually what really made me insane was trying to start learning how to make debian packages. heh! now *that* is some arcane stuff |
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| 09:23.04 | BCMM | ok, mappero is working now - anyone know how to make it talk in english? |
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| 09:23.32 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, pacman (In Arch) isn't terribly "inuitive" either, but the design is more usable once you learn it, IMO |
| 09:23.44 | jaem_n900_ | And yeah, packaging is a pain. |
| 09:23.54 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: +1 for pacman |
| 09:24.01 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, check the thread about language packs. |
| 09:24.01 | johnx | OE has the best packaging system I've ever seen, bar none |
| 09:24.16 | johnx | for building packages at least |
| 09:24.19 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, ipkg? Or are they using something new these days? |
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| 09:24.29 | BCMM | i like portage |
| 09:24.31 | BCMM | ducks |
| 09:24.43 | johnx | BCMM, OE takes that one step further :) |
| 09:24.43 | Nadley | kerio: last question. I have to turn off first the n900 if I well understand |
| 09:24.53 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, yes. |
| 09:24.53 | kerio | yeah |
| 09:24.55 | kerio | turn off |
| 09:25.00 | jaem_n900_ | Power it completely off. |
| 09:25.06 | johnx | jaem_n900_, well, yeah, that's their binary package manager (opkg I think, which is ipkg compatibile) |
| 09:25.06 | kerio | start the first command |
| 09:25.17 | kerio | keep "u" on the n900 pressed and connect the usb cable |
| 09:25.20 | johnx | but their source package format / build system is pretty incredible |
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| 09:25.21 | jaem_n900_ | If it's still plugged in (to computer or charger) it will not turn off fully |
| 09:25.42 | kshlm | anyone here use scratchbox for maemo development |
| 09:25.43 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, I used OE a few years back, with the HnD guys. |
| 09:25.46 | D-Iivili_Work | so this is how it feels to spend 8000 EUR. |
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| 09:26.00 | jaem_n900_ | It was interesting. Of course, I was quite inexperienced, then. |
| 09:26.14 | jacekowski | ehhhh |
| 09:26.14 | jacekowski | .text:0000CF34 STMIA R12, {R0-R2} |
| 09:26.15 | jacekowski | .text:0000CF38 STMIA LR, {R0-R2} |
| 09:26.18 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm, I have, although I don't much anymore. |
| 09:26.29 | johnx | D-Iivili_Work, did you just check your email on your phone while roaming? |
| 09:26.36 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: i've problem |
| 09:26.43 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: is that "Mappero voice navigation: submit your voice, in your own language!"? |
| 09:26.46 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: could you help? |
| 09:26.47 | D-Iivili_Work | johnx, lol :-D Bought a car and just paid it. |
| 09:26.50 | pupnik_ | hahaha |
| 09:26.55 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, yes. |
| 09:27.03 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm, sure, give me a moment |
| 09:27.23 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: i don't get internet inside the scratchbox environment |
| 09:27.39 | Nadley | ok so let's go :d |
| 09:27.44 | johnx | eep. 2:30 and I have work tomorrow. time to sleep |
| 09:28.41 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm, can you ping an IP? |
| 09:28.52 | jaem_n900_ | Say, 4.2.2.1, off the top of my head. |
| 09:29.05 | jaem_n900_ | johnx, Ha! Me too, but... well... |
| 09:29.06 | jacekowski | 8.8.8.8 |
| 09:29.17 | jaem_n900_ | Have a good one |
| 09:29.28 | johnx | thanks |
| 09:29.31 | johnx | 'night all |
| 09:30.46 | D-Iivili_Work | Could someone kindly type my nick, I'm trying to get highlighting working... |
| 09:30.56 | pupnik_ | D-Iivili_Work: |
| 09:31.01 | D-Iivili_Work | Noup.. didn't work. |
| 09:31.14 | pupnik_ | use privmsg for it |
| 09:31.45 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: Do I have to unplug the phone between the two flash ? |
| 09:31.56 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, no, don't |
| 09:32.00 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: nope, get an "icmp open socket: operation not permitted" |
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| 09:32.19 | Nadley | I run directly the second commande ? |
| 09:32.26 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm, what environment are you running the SDK in? |
| 09:32.31 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, yes. |
| 09:32.37 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: X86 |
| 09:32.53 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm, native install on a physical machine? |
| 09:32.57 | _0x47 | johnx: the only fix is the version being 1.2.8 instead of 1.2.6 :) so I guess I covered your suggestion. Thanks! |
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| 09:33.39 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: didnt get you? |
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| 09:34.01 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: scratchbox is installed on arch linux x64 bit |
| 09:34.06 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm, are you running it in a virtual machine, a chroot, or what? |
| 09:34.09 | jaem_n900_ | Oh, okay. |
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| 09:34.36 | Nadley | My flash it is finish it is very quick. Now I can start the device after the two flash ? |
| 09:34.42 | jaem_n900_ | I never got it working on Arch properly... did you follow a guide of some sort? (If so, link please?) |
| 09:34.49 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, it should boot automatically. |
| 09:35.00 | jaem_n900_ | If you tacked on the -R switch to the second command. |
| 09:35.00 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: just the maemo wiki |
| 09:35.24 | jaem_n900_ | kshlm... huh, okay. Did you have to install anything to make it work? |
| 09:35.31 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: yes it reboot but now there is nothing on the screen :s |
| 09:35.50 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley... wait a bit. |
| 09:36.07 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: nothing, just used force to install on x64 thats it |
| 09:36.37 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: did the samething on my desktop running ubuntu, it works there well enough |
| 09:36.56 | jaem_n900_ | huh, okay. Hmm... Well, sbox does have some oddness on 64-bit, I think, but I don't think that's the issue. |
| 09:37.02 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: ok but the screen is fully black. However on the term I had two successfull message |
| 09:37.02 | jaem_n900_ | It rings a bell, though. |
| 09:37.13 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, ping |
| 09:37.14 | Nadley | now the phone looks charging |
| 09:37.22 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, you did use the -R switch on the second command, right? |
| 09:37.28 | Nadley | yes |
| 09:37.28 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: pong |
| 09:37.37 | kshlm | jaem_n900_: my desktop box is also 64bit |
| 09:37.50 | jaem_n900_ | Hmm, well, if it was successful, then try booting it. |
| 09:38.00 | Nadley | ok |
| 09:38.01 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, I've been wondering why aint my changes in package are shown here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/black-plastic-theme/ |
| 09:38.26 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, I've checked and doublde checked that both control and changelog -files should_be_correct |
| 09:38.34 | D-Iivili_Work | +ly formatted |
| 09:38.50 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: Can be a bug in the changelog importer. |
| 09:39.09 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: I have the 5 white pont on the screen it is charging |
| 09:39.12 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, it must be something wrong with my packages since I've never seen the Changes -block with any of my packages. |
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| 09:39.22 | Nadley | *point |
| 09:39.29 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, looks good, then |
| 09:39.40 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, but I cannot figure out what it could be. Not that it's too important but it's annoying :D |
| 09:39.43 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: Compared it with a working package? |
| 09:39.50 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, yes |
| 09:40.05 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, ie here's a working sample: http://maemo.org/packages/view/gnome-nettool/ |
| 09:40.09 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: it works I have the first seetings screen |
| 09:40.40 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, woot! |
| 09:41.00 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: woot ? what does it mean ? |
| 09:41.14 | Corsac | Nadley: means âwoot!â |
| 09:41.25 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, essentially, "yay". Check Wikipedia if you want the full history. |
| 09:41.27 | Nadley | ok :) |
| 09:41.34 | Nadley | thx |
| 09:41.44 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: That one is compiled for multiple archs, so that is different. |
| 09:42.11 | BCMM | can somebody help me understand how to get english announcements in mappero? |
| 09:42.14 | Nadley | it is quite easy to flash the n900 if we check everything and did it carefully |
| 09:42.18 | BCMM | my system is set to en_GB |
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| 09:42.46 | BCMM | i noticed that mappero comes with an en_US directory - i've symlinked that to en_GB, but it still talks in interlingua |
| 09:42.48 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: also that is a source package with orig.tar.gz, which is also different. |
| 09:42.58 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, yep. I find it much easier than using the fancy pointy-clicky app on Windows. |
| 09:43.06 | Nadley | ^^ |
| 09:43.07 | Nadley | ;) |
| 09:43.14 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, ok.. and this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fastsms/ |
| 09:43.25 | jaem_n900_ | The command line is often like that - much easier and more efficient *if* you know what you're doing |
| 09:43.44 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, I'm not sure. I can take a look if it's quick. |
| 09:43.52 | Nadley | I think I will try android or meego on my n900 in the future but in dual booting |
| 09:43.53 | jaem_n900_ | I really should go to bed at some point, though. |
| 09:44.09 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: Also an app, built for multiple archs. |
| 09:44.16 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, can you link me to that thread? |
| 09:44.34 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: i just copied teh en_us over the interlingua files - i'm sure it's not the right solution, but it works |
| 09:44.36 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, damn :D |
| 09:44.45 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: also, the guy sounds much more like irish than en_US |
| 09:44.50 | BCMM | (which is preferable, for me) |
| 09:44.56 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, okay, this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/hildon-theme-marina/ |
| 09:45.23 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, in terms of general vocal sound, or actual pronunciation? |
| 09:45.34 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, suddenly seems like that one also has lost changes being updated to the "box" since version 1.202 |
| 09:45.45 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: i'm not sure what you mean |
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| 09:45.54 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: just sounds like an irish person |
| 09:45.54 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: is there some tricks to improve my battery life time ? |
| 09:46.13 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: Yes, doesn't seem to work there either. |
| 09:46.21 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, yes, but is it "Irish English", or "English with an Irish accent"? |
| 09:46.27 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, but has been working before. |
| 09:46.36 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: there isn't really enough there to distinguish |
| 09:46.43 | jaem_n900_ | Nadley, yes, but come back when you've searched the forum/wiki. :P |
| 09:46.50 | X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: Yes, wazd messed up changelog there at some point. |
| 09:47.17 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: just the rythm of the speech and the way the "r"s sound |
| 09:47.18 | Nadley | jaem_n900_: ok no prob I'll check that thank you very much for the help |
| 09:47.25 | wazd | what? where? :) |
| 09:47.32 | wazd | I'm innocent! |
| 09:47.40 | jaem_n900_ | Heya, wazd! |
| 09:47.45 | jacekowski | anybody brave enough to open that on microb |
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| 09:47.50 | wazd | jaem_n900_: hey :) |
| 09:47.53 | jacekowski | http://www.opera.com/portal/geo/ |
| 09:48.13 | jacekowski | opera/chrome take it without problems on PC |
| 09:48.16 | jacekowski | firefox just dies |
| 09:48.24 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, out of curiosity, did anything ever come of that XChat mockup you did last year? |
| 09:49.11 | RST38h | johnx: Ah the handset UI is here already? |
| 09:49.12 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, seems more like he has changed the structure of control -file? |
| 09:49.15 | RST38h | runs to tmo |
| 09:49.23 | wazd | jaem_n900_: RST38h is too busy/lazy to dig into UI that deep :) |
| 09:49.32 | D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, well... anyways, just wanted to ask if there was some easy explanation. |
| 09:49.34 | wazd | RST38h: o/ |
| 09:49.43 | jaem_n900_ | pokes RST38h |
| 09:50.15 | jaem_n900_ | I just got a data plan for the first time, and it is indeed nice to use IRC on the go, among other things. |
| 09:50.42 | D-Iivili_Work | jaem_n900_, I couldn't image to live without data plan :O |
| 09:50.47 | RST38h | wazd: reMoo |
| 09:51.05 | RST38h | jaem: What? |
| 09:51.06 | jaem_n900_ | ...I'm just sad that I missed being able to be one of the oh-so-smug "I'm using IRC on the way home from work" people, last November. :P |
| 09:51.20 | mikki-kun | anybody living in switzerland and having a recommendation for a dataplan? |
| 09:51.29 | jaem_n900_ | That said, I got to be smug with my N900 for most of a week before it came out, so... |
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| 09:51.57 | jaem_n900_ | RST38h, that was a "-poke- get on it!", regarding wazd's comment. :) |
| 09:52.22 | wazd | RST38h: let's remake xchat in Qt :D |
| 09:52.39 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, did you see my mention of Quassel? |
| 09:52.40 | `0660 | jaem_n900_, irc on the way home has been a reality for almost a decade now :) |
| 09:52.49 | RST38h | wazd: Good luck remaking their main view widget in qt... |
| 09:52.50 | jaem_n900_ | A mobile version of that might be interesting... |
| 09:52.58 | wazd | jaem_n900_: no, I guess not |
| 09:53.02 | RST38h | On the other hand, I have fixed that long delay bug in FBReader after PR1.2 |
| 09:53.08 | jaem_n900_ | `0660 well, yes, but not for Maemo |
| 09:53.15 | RST38h | They did a blocking gtk event loop where they should not have |
| 09:53.21 | wazd | RST38h: or we can add Qt frontend to IRSSI :) |
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| 09:53.32 | `0660 | quite many years with maemo too |
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| 09:53.49 | `0660 | when tethering via phone |
| 09:54.02 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, it's Qt-based, and has a separate core/daemon so that you can dis/connect various clients from a server. |
| 09:54.19 | jaem_n900_ | `0660, well, yes, fair enough. My point still stands, though. |
| 09:54.38 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, As I recall from an older version, it was rather nice. |
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| 09:56.50 | wazd | jaem_n900_: maybe I can take a look :) |
| 09:57.04 | wazd | jaem_n900_: but now I'm totally overloaded with work :) |
| 09:57.40 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, Aren't we all. If you do, let me know, please. I had thought about taking a look as well, but I'm in the same boat. |
| 09:58.05 | D-Iivili_Work | if I wanted to start Hildonizing an existing GTK -app (written in C?) without any knowledge of anything, where should I start? Good tutorials etc somewhere? |
| 09:58.13 | wazd | jaem_n900_: oh, if you're interested in actually doing it - maybe I'll find some time :) |
| 09:58.53 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, well... I might be, but I'm busy coding for the N900 for work right now. |
| 09:59.10 | wazd | jaem_n900_: well, I'm not in a hurry either :) |
| 09:59.18 | jaem_n900_ | I'll take a look at it, though - I haven't used it in about a year - and get back to you. |
| 09:59.30 | jaem_n900_ | I potentially would be interested. |
| 09:59.59 | jaem_n900_ | Another thing I'd be interested in doing would be writing a Qt-based frontend for GIAC, a Maple-compatible CAS. |
| 10:00.12 | jaem_n900_ | I was talking to a guy here the other day about that. |
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| 10:02.11 | jaem_n900_ | wazd, if I ever take *that* on, I could certainly use design advice! |
| 10:07.08 | haj | would have been nice if Nokia had build in a SDHC-slot instead of a MicroSDHC.. :) |
| 10:07.34 | jaem_n900_ | That complaint is sooo N810 |
| 10:07.36 | jaem_n900_ | ;) |
| 10:07.59 | haj | maybe.. :) |
| 10:08.17 | BCMM | haj: why? |
| 10:08.29 | BCMM | haj: oh, i see what you mean |
| 10:08.30 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, well, SD is cheaper. |
| 10:08.34 | X-Fade | That alone would have added 4 mm to the thinkness of the device:) |
| 10:08.43 | haj | BCMM: because the cards are cheaper... |
| 10:09.02 | X-Fade | 4 GB < 10 euro, do you really need it cheaper than that? :) |
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| 10:09.26 | BCMM | also, accepting regular SD would make it a meaningful sort of removable media for transferring data, but microsd is really only for adding storage |
| 10:09.28 | X-Fade | Use a nas + upnp/dlna and be completely wireless. |
| 10:09.37 | BCMM | how much of a price difference is there? |
| 10:09.45 | haj | X-Fade: Well, when I get a MicroSDHC for my N900 it will not be 4GB... |
| 10:09.53 | jaem_n900_ | X-Fade, yeah... I still do occasionally have a brief moment of awe when I realize that I'm holding an encyclopedia (Wikipedia Dump) with ~3M articles in an object the size of my fingernail |
| 10:10.05 | X-Fade | haj: Did you really fill up your 32GB and still need more? |
| 10:10.18 | X-Fade | jaem_n900_: I just have 3G for that. |
| 10:10.22 | jaem_n900_ | haj, I got an 8GB card for around $25CAD on sale. |
| 10:10.30 | jaem_n900_ | X-Fade, well, I do too, now. |
| 10:10.41 | haj | BCMM: In Denmark, it's like £55 for a 32GB SDHC and £85 for a MicroSDHC |
| 10:10.43 | BCMM | jaem_n900_: a Maple-compatible CAS is a frightening concept... |
| 10:10.50 | tristan | i got a 16gb card |
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| 10:10.54 | tristan | with bad sectors |
| 10:10.56 | tristan | :/ |
| 10:11.00 | jaem_n900_ | I didn't even have voice on my phone until recently, because I was locked into a contract with another carrier. |
| 10:11.04 | jaem_n900_ | BCMM, why? |
| 10:11.10 | haj | X-Fade: it's not actually full.. but it's getting there.. And I'd like to keep at least some gigs free for transport of data.. and stuff :) |
| 10:12.01 | X-Fade | haj: Large pr0n collection huh? |
| 10:12.01 | jaem_n900_ | I have little experience with any CAS - my only thought was that using something compatible with what my uni uses would mean less of a learning curve. |
| 10:12.01 | haj | X-Fade: more like music... |
| 10:12.02 | haj | X-Fade: oh, and I like to have a big buffer of podcasts in gpodder.. ;) |
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| 10:12.20 | X-Fade | haj: Well I have gpodder too, but at 60MB per hour of podcast, man you must have a lot of time to listen :) |
| 10:12.35 | alterego | haj: buy some micro sd's :) |
| 10:13.06 | haj | X-Fade: sure.. I'm a cyclist.. and it's 40 minutes each to/from work.. :) |
| 10:13.38 | haj | alterego: I guess I could just get a 16gig.. |
| 10:13.52 | X-Fade | haj: Still, that is nothing 0.004% of storage used per day ;) |
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| 10:15.04 | X-Fade | Just saying that I always think I need a lot of storage, but if you realistically look at what your really use... |
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| 10:15.38 | haj | X-Fade: |
| 10:15.39 | BCMM | anyone else noticed that mappero seems to be able to nearly hang up hte system without using significant CPU? |
| 10:15.43 | haj | i like having lots of storage :) |
| 10:16.00 | alterego | So, today I was thinking of writing a Telepthy XBox messaging plugin. |
| 10:16.25 | X-Fade | haj: buy a 3TB disk and connect with usb :) |
| 10:16.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:16.41 | X-Fade | haj: Only $250 :D |
| 10:16.55 | BCMM | X-Fade: actually kind of want to see an n900 with a backpack full of stuff |
| 10:17.00 | alterego | I need to get another ext HDD |
| 10:17.06 | haj | X-Fade: nah.. thats annoying.. :) |
| 10:17.19 | nidO | I could do with replacing my entire fileserver tbh :( |
| 10:17.27 | BCMM | X-Fade: you know, a monitor, USB hub, full-sized USB hard drive, mouse and keyboard |
| 10:17.33 | X-Fade | BCMM: Samba server in your backpack sharing over wifi ;) |
| 10:17.35 | alterego | I'll have to calculate the "sweet spot" I bet it's 750 to 1TB by now. |
| 10:17.40 | nidO | an entire full tower with an array of 5 750gb drives, replaced by a single disk these days :< |
| 10:17.52 | BCMM | X-Fade: well, 3tb drives typically do not draw power from USB :( |
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| 10:18.17 | X-Fade | BCMM: Just put a 12V 5000mah lipo in your backpack then ;) |
| 10:18.23 | haj | oh well.. silly topic anyway... :) |
| 10:18.24 | BCMM | heh |
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| 10:18.51 | BCMM | X-Fade: that would be an awesome mobile computer |
| 10:18.54 | X-Fade | Only adds about 800 gram, should be ok ;) |
| 10:19.09 | BCMM | X-Fade: you could power the n900 and the monitor off the big battery too :) |
| 10:19.13 | alterego | One of my friends got a mugen battery yesterday |
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| 10:19.30 | alterego | He seems pretty happy with it .. |
| 10:19.34 | Duckboot | alterego: Any good? |
| 10:19.39 | Duckboot | Battery I mean. |
| 10:20.04 | haj | X-Fade: I guess it's just quite easy to fill up the internal 32GB if having 2GB of Sygic map-data installed, and 16GB of music, and a couple of videos, and gpodder with some nice feeds (including a couple of video-podcasts) and some of the larger games... ;) |
| 10:20.05 | alterego | Said something about there not being a camera slide on the back. Which is a shame ... |
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| 10:20.27 | jaem_n900_ | alterego, sorry? |
| 10:20.44 | nidO | the lens cover on the mugen back has no slider |
| 10:20.52 | jaem_n900_ | :( |
| 10:20.53 | nidO | its just an open cover |
| 10:20.55 | alterego | yeah |
| 10:21.11 | haj | X-Fade: It's easy on a iPhone because you are not allowed to store stuff on it.... but since the N900 works as mass storage device... ;) |
| 10:21.15 | alterego | I was thinking of getting one as a spare battery, but that sort of put me off. |
| 10:21.40 | nidO | tbh, getting an external battery pack seems way way preferable to a mugen |
| 10:21.49 | X-Fade | haj: Amazon s3 ;) |
| 10:21.57 | nidO | cheaper, much more powerful, and you dont have to carry it round with you when you know you arent going to need it |
| 10:22.29 | haj | X-Fade: not always an option. |
| 10:22.31 | X-Fade | When I travel, I just have a few spare batteries. |
| 10:22.47 | X-Fade | Light weight, easy to carry. |
| 10:23.30 | jaem_n900_ | yawns |
| 10:23.47 | jaem_n900_ | 03:23 here, which is IRC-time for bedtime. |
| 10:23.51 | alterego | nidO: I agree, I was thinking of converting an old laptop battery to an external portable charger for those long journeys :) |
| 10:23.52 | jaem_n900_ | Night, all |
| 10:24.03 | Duckboot | jaem_n900_: Nn |
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| 10:25.57 | achipa | X-Fade: btw we are a go with the list - I don't see any critical apps, but am saddened that it seems we have a fair amount of abandonware :( |
| 10:26.14 | X-Fade | achipa: I have wiped everything already. |
| 10:26.38 | achipa | errm |
| 10:26.47 | achipa | are you sure ? :) |
| 10:27.00 | X-Fade | yes. |
| 10:27.12 | achipa | duh, it's the interface msg funk |
| 10:28.00 | alterego | X-Fade: ? I'm being noseybut your statement sounds interesting? :) |
| 10:28.31 | X-Fade | alterego: We removed all packages related to qt4-maemo5-* and apps depending on it. |
| 10:28.49 | achipa | X-Fade: thought stuff got reimported... see http://maemo.org/packages/view/maesheep/ |
| 10:28.58 | achipa | but fair enough, I don't see it in the repo |
| 10:29.16 | alterego | Ah, not that interesting then ... :D for the experimental renaming of the devel qt packages? |
| 10:29.20 | jpnurmi | argh, i suddenly started getting constant "internal error. application e-mail closed" messages on my n900. reboot does not help. any ideas? |
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| 10:29.25 | achipa | alterego: yes |
| 10:29.47 | X-Fade | achipa: Hmm yeah, race condition between deletion, index regeneration and importer. |
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| 10:31.45 | achipa | goes off to post a council announcement about the package removal and braces for impact |
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| 10:33.16 | D-Iivili_Work | No-one has yet written an application that will hildonize gtk application on the fly? :D |
| 10:33.25 | D-Iivili_Work | is getting frustrated with this thing... |
| 10:33.50 | alterego | D-Iivili_Work: ? what thing ? |
| 10:34.06 | D-Iivili_Work | alterego, I just started on looking how to hildonize zenity. |
| 10:34.14 | D-Iivili_Work | Have nothing else to do :P |
| 10:34.18 | alterego | D-Iivili_Work: ah, right. |
| 10:34.31 | alterego | I didn't think you were a coder? |
| 10:34.44 | D-Iivili_Work | alterego, well.. only PHP |
| 10:34.51 | alterego | It'd probably be easier to just write your own Python stuff :P |
| 10:35.11 | alterego | zenity would be awesome hildonised, |
| 10:35.26 | alterego | more hildonized that is ... :) |
| 10:35.40 | D-Iivili_Work | alterego, there's not that_many_files included and not that_much_code in it, but don't really know where to start :D |
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| 10:35.51 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:36.07 | qknight | i want to download the virtual desktop image but i can't find it anywhere, was it removed? |
| 10:36.07 | alterego | Pick an ugly one you depend on, and try to find that widget :) |
| 10:36.17 | qknight | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php <- i's not here |
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| 10:38.42 | D-Iivili_Work | alterego, well that's what I'm doing :P |
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| 10:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: you edited something on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads* wrt eMMC / rootfs sequence? |
| 10:42.37 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: no |
| 10:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder *where* the § is to be found... |
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| 10:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | somebody please point me to the § in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads* where it says ""NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. [...]"" |
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| 10:45.57 | lcuk | X-Fade, qknight is the second person to ask about that missing vmware image - i couldnt find anything recent about it either, do you know anything? |
| 10:46.05 | qknight | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads <- this page does not exist for me |
| 10:46.33 | pekuja | try http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 10:46.51 | qknight | DocScrutinizer: so you mean http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php, right? |
| 10:47.10 | qknight | lcuk: i wonder why i'm only the second persion. i've tried to find it about 4days ago |
| 10:47.20 | qknight | should i use filesharing to download it? |
| 10:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | I mean the page where it is written """NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!"" |
| 10:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | qknight: ^^^ |
| 10:47.47 | lcuk | qknight, not everyone who wants it shouts loudly in here |
| 10:48.05 | qknight | i don't shout ;-) |
| 10:48.14 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: That not on this page, that is on the n900 firmware page. |
| 10:48.26 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 10:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I gather I need to authenticate prior to watching this secret stuff? :-D |
| 10:50.04 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Well, that is where you can download all the goodies. |
| 10:50.13 | qknight | is very confused about that desktop virtual image stuff |
| 10:50.24 | qknight | so do you guys use it native, without any virtual image? |
| 10:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I know, but I wasn't aware the readme or whatver also needs an authentication |
| 10:51.06 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Well, it doesn't make sense without anyway. |
| 10:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 10:51.49 | DocScrutinizer | this whole thing starts to become a PITA |
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| 10:52.13 | X-Fade | *shrug* |
| 10:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | (eMMC/rootfs flash sequence) |
| 10:52.16 | achipa | X-Fade: one teensy q... when you say removed, do you mean totally and completely or just the binary packages (as in, we *should* keep the source, just in case) |
| 10:52.30 | X-Fade | achipa: Source will never be removed. |
| 10:52.39 | achipa | X-Fade: good, good |
| 10:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: wasn't exactly targeted at you |
| 10:52.58 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Noobs use windows flasher, which does things for you. |
| 10:53.12 | X-Fade | With a nice gui. |
| 10:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 10:56.04 | Duckboot | wants a phone which is completely console based. NO ui, except curses. |
| 10:56.17 | nidO | meego 1.0 is for you then |
| 10:56.40 | mavhc | what was the open source phone, kinda was like that |
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| 10:57.14 | nidO | openmoko? |
| 10:57.17 | Duckboot | mavhc: OpenMoko? |
| 10:57.19 | Duckboot | Hehe |
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| 10:57.38 | Duckboot | OpenMoko wasn't console-based |
| 10:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | what are "Stock Files"? |
| 10:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 10:58.59 | qknight | my openmoko has a nice gui |
| 10:59.14 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: "Files which has a variable value"? |
| 10:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | (<Duckboot> OpenMoko wasn't console-based) what's the meaning of that? |
| 10:59.30 | nidO | read up about 4 more lines |
| 10:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | aah, |
| 10:59.52 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: I was just airing a dream of mine - The fully working console-based cellphone. |
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| 11:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | emacs based OM is it then, for you |
| 11:00.32 | Duckboot | reset |
| 11:00.36 | nidO | im sure you could just remove hildon-desktop from an n900 and write an upstart script to open xterm |
| 11:00.53 | nidO | then have all the fun you like with dbus commands by hand |
| 11:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: ack |
| 11:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | :- |
| 11:01.14 | Duckboot | ~# call 555-3564-333 |
| 11:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | D |
| 11:01.21 | Duckboot | Wee |
| 11:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess you're actually talking about gnuphone |
| 11:02.02 | Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: Yes |
| 11:04.25 | qknight | executing qstardict on my n900 i get this error message: "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config" |
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| 11:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://jonathancarter.co.za/2008/09/23/totally-getting-a-gnuphone/ |
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| 11:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.30 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/nokia-n9-n8-01-prototype-sized-up-against-iphone-4-and-evo/ |
| 11:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | and away you go! Simple and obvious!â |
| 11:07.41 | wazd | oh my god, the most annoying voice ever |
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| 11:20.11 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you might know |
| 11:20.13 | jacekowski | 10:44 < jacekowski> is that /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus indicating prescence of 5V on usb port or is it something else? |
| 11:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: afaik (and seen) it indicates VBUS presence |
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| 11:21.11 | mavhc | pretty sure there was a console interface for openmoku |
| 11:21.30 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: does it indicate only external vbus? |
| 11:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope, it simply reads out the twl4030 GPIO |
| 11:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 11:22.20 | jacekowski | so forcing charger chip to output 5V might confuse bme |
| 11:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it actually does |
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| 11:23.20 | jacekowski | do you know anything about /suspend in same folder? |
| 11:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's why VBUS boost mode is reset after <500ms, if you don't stop bme prior to starting jrbme boostmode |
| 11:24.09 | pupnik_ | wazd: i keep thinking, if the screen were higher res, that'd make a nice meego device |
| 11:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not really, but aiui this suspend node is virtually everywhere (err, in every subsystem's sysfs folder) |
| 11:24.32 | wazd | pupnik_: I guess n9 won't be too far from it |
| 11:25.28 | wazd | pupnik_: since nokia now have n8'ish design concept everywhere :) |
| 11:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | mavhc: paulfertser (or originally mat shu?) actually worked on a emacs interface for GTA02 |
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| 11:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (suspend) so I *guess* it might deal with power mode of the particular subsystem when device goes to suspend mode |
| 11:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | raster: moin :-D |
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| 11:27.20 | raster | DocScrutinizer: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! |
| 11:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | raster: uh? |
| 11:28.09 | raster | i need to yell at something |
| 11:28.16 | raster | i also need tactical nukes |
| 11:28.22 | raster | i need to nuke people |
| 11:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | raster: infobot comes handy for that :-D |
| 11:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke some people |
| 11:28.54 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at some people ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 11:29.08 | raster | yay! |
| 11:29.28 | wazd | ~lart raster |
| 11:29.28 | infobot | keeps mailing raster free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 11:29.50 | wazd | oh, something new :D |
| 11:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | wazd: I guess you're too late :-P |
| 11:30.07 | wazd | ~burn himself |
| 11:30.08 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 11:30.12 | wazd | :) |
| 11:30.19 | kerio | ~help |
| 11:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | probably that's what raster recently oticed |
| 11:31.03 | BCMM | do free AOL CDs still exist? |
| 11:31.05 | kerio | ~wtf is wtf |
| 11:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell wazd about query |
| 11:31.14 | kerio | huh |
| 11:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell kerio about query |
| 11:31.24 | BCMM | ~wft wft |
| 11:31.29 | jacekowski | ~query |
| 11:31.30 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 11:31.45 | BCMM | ~wtf wtf |
| 11:31.56 | jacekowski | ~fuck |
| 11:31.57 | infobot | ACTION looks at jacekowski and wonders if he can't find some better way to occupy his time |
| 11:31.57 | kerio | wtf should allow for the bsdgames' wtf syntax |
| 11:32.16 | BCMM | he doesn't have teh same syntax as /usr/bin/wtf |
| 11:32.21 | BCMM | oh, kerio just said that |
| 11:32.22 | kerio | he should |
| 11:32.34 | kerio | wtf [is] $acronym |
| 11:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | and he's a she |
| 11:32.53 | kerio | oh, sorry |
| 11:32.58 | BCMM | i seem to recall a website documenting somebody who built a throne entirely out of AOL trial CDs and glue |
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| 11:33.27 | kerio | BCMM: http://stupidco.com/aol_throne_intro.html |
| 11:33.43 | BCMM | or rather, documenting the chair |
| 11:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | raster: what went wrong? |
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| 11:34.43 | raster | incompetent fools who cant even compare 2 numbers to know which is bigger |
| 11:34.51 | raster | and the numbers have only 2 digits |
| 11:34.54 | raster | IDIOTS |
| 11:35.16 | raster | i'm amazed they they havent died from forgetting to breathe |
| 11:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | there's no state of idiocy severe enough to excuse this |
| 11:35.29 | raster | incompetence can kill |
| 11:35.35 | raster | when it's bad enough |
| 11:35.49 | raster | i'm just wondering what has prevented it so far |
| 11:35.49 | ZogG | hmm |
| 11:35.52 | kerio | to be fair, when i think about > and < i think about nethack |
| 11:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's called darvinism |
| 11:35.56 | ZogG | i hate microsd =( |
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| 11:36.13 | ZogG | how is it possible when it's fat32 it;'s okay |
| 11:36.24 | ZogG | but when i use it as ext3 i get errors |
| 11:36.31 | ZogG | i can't even mount it |
| 11:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: might have bad blocks |
| 11:37.12 | ZogG | i think so |
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| 11:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | or it's a completely faked one - there've been uSD that claim to be 8GB, but actually mirror after 1GB |
| 11:37.51 | ZogG | i have 8gib |
| 11:37.59 | ZogG | but it's shown as 8 gibs |
| 11:38.06 | ZogG | i bought it on ebay |
| 11:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | you THINK you have 8GiB |
| 11:38.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: haha that's brilliant |
| 11:38.24 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, are you srs? |
| 11:38.38 | kerio | well, microsds *are* computers |
| 11:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | you only *know* after writing AND checkreading >5GiB |
| 11:38.46 | X-Fade | ZogG: Yes, there are lots of reported cases. Most cheap ones on ebay are fake. |
| 11:38.57 | ZogG | damn |
| 11:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: yes, absolutely |
| 11:39.05 | wazd | DocScrutinizer: I thought infobot finally decided to date me :( |
| 11:39.13 | ZogG | i retated that guy with 5 stars =) |
| 11:39.42 | X-Fade | ZogG: Well, write large files to it and check if they are ok. |
| 11:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: first confirm the case |
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| 11:39.59 | ZogG | larger than 5 gibs or 1 gib? |
| 11:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: see my and X-Fade 's suggestion |
| 11:40.14 | ZogG | i would try it later |
| 11:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | larger than reported-size/2 |
| 11:40.36 | ZogG | ok - i'll try |
| 11:41.09 | ZogG | X-Fade DocScrutinizer maybe you should write to maemo news about it btw |
| 11:41.14 | kerio | wouldn't you also be able to write two different things at offset 0 and at offset 4gb and keep them different? |
| 11:41.17 | kerio | with dd |
| 11:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | and make sure your file isn't just filled with 0x00, otherwise you won't even notice the mirroring :-P |
| 11:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope |
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| 11:41.51 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, wait - do i need to copy one file? |
| 11:42.06 | ZogG | as fat32 doesn't support 4gibs+ |
| 11:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: you have that controller on uSD that maps block address to phys mem |
| 11:42.30 | X-Fade | ZogG: No, just fill it with files and run md5sum on them. |
| 11:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: no, any data will do, as long as it's large enough all together |
| 11:42.47 | X-Fade | local and on sd card. |
| 11:42.54 | X-Fade | and compare with diff ;) |
| 11:43.05 | ZogG | ok |
| 11:43.06 | ZogG | thanx |
| 11:43.08 | ZogG | i'll try |
| 11:43.29 | jpnurmi | how do i disable e-mail polling? i'm suddenly getting constant "internal error. application e-mail closed" messages on my n900 and reboot does not help... |
| 11:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | or for that behalf: just copy a >4GB folder structure from your PC to uSD, then compare |
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| 11:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | jpnurmi: ugh |
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| 11:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | jpnurmi: first do a 'df -h' |
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| 11:47.52 | jpnurmi | DocScrutinizer: what i should be looking for? none of the partitions is full |
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| 11:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-check-storage-capacity-of-fake-USB-flash-drive_W0QQugidZ10000000003407025 |
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| 11:54.36 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer fu, i'm batman... i mean, la fufufu je suis la fantomas.. . i mean F#%^k you, i'm on linux =) |
| 11:54.47 | ZogG | but htnx anyway |
| 11:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ?? |
| 11:55.44 | alterego | I should really unsubscribe fro extras-builds :D |
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| 11:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: (batman) wazzup? |
| 12:00.10 | alterego | IS that the sound he makes when he upper cuts someone ? |
| 12:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: because of /whois? (Petach Tikva) |
| 12:00.49 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i'm from TLV |
| 12:01.06 | ZogG | alterego which one? |
| 12:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: anyway, what's that <ZogG> DocScrutinizer fu, i'm batman... i mean, la fufufu je suis la fantomas.. . i mean F#%^k you, i'm on linux =) |
| 12:01.35 | alterego | ZogG: < DocScrutinizer> ZogG: (batman) wazzup? |
| 12:01.46 | ZogG | i mean the instructions probably for some windows programs |
| 12:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 12:02.02 | ZogG | alterego, "wazzup" ? |
| 12:02.17 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i found some programs to check also - but they are for windows |
| 12:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: the info as such is generic though |
| 12:02.21 | alterego | Yes .. I Was wondering about the (batman) before and thought , well, that :) |
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| 12:02.41 | ZogG | alterego, wazzup is short for what is up? o.O |
| 12:02.51 | alterego | ZogG: yes, I know ... |
| 12:02.54 | alterego | Nevermind ... |
| 12:03.02 | ZogG | i think you should grow up on the streets like me to know that =) |
| 12:03.20 | ZogG | alterego, you confused me, but i like you =))))) |
| 12:03.29 | alterego | You didn't grow up on the streets, you went to the same preppy school as GAN900 |
| 12:03.41 | alterego | :) |
| 12:03.55 | ZogG | GANster900? |
| 12:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how many seconds it'd need him to write a shell oneliner to grab random words out of a dict and post them to this chan |
| 12:04.11 | ZogG | alterego, he was bulling me there btw |
| 12:04.18 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:04.27 | alterego | Sounds believable, he is a bit of a bully :P |
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| 12:11.49 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i copied on sd on n900 - it worked i think 1.75+3 gibs are enuf for check - it worked =\ |
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| 12:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: It works means what exactly? |
| 12:12.40 | ZogG | it copied the files with no errors |
| 12:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | copying works without any errors - the fun thing is the mirroring which destroys older data |
| 12:13.35 | kerio | hmm... where can i find telnet? |
| 12:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | that's the reason you need to *compare* |
| 12:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: in the museum of obsolete art? |
| 12:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 12:14.21 | kerio | funny |
| 12:14.32 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ok - i'll give a try letter as mu card reader don't read that card - so i can use it only on n900 or laptop(with built in reader) |
| 12:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: honestly I think it *might* be in tools repo |
| 12:14.51 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i think it's enuf just to copy 2 movies in HD and try to play them both |
| 12:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: sure |
| 12:15.06 | ZogG | if it's okay they would play |
| 12:15.18 | ZogG | if not they would skip |
| 12:15.24 | X-Fade | ZogG: md5sum them. |
| 12:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: or just use socat |
| 12:15.27 | ZogG | am i right? |
| 12:15.49 | ZogG | X-Fade, don't you think they wouldn't be playable if something wrong? |
| 12:15.54 | X-Fade | ZogG: If you have the time to watch 4 hours of HD, then yes ;) |
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| 12:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: yes, right. X-Fade 's suggestion is faster though |
| 12:16.04 | X-Fade | ZogG: MPEG allows for data corruption. |
| 12:16.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: telnet is a little more complicated than netcat |
| 12:16.18 | X-Fade | ZogG: It will just skip corrupted parts. |
| 12:16.22 | ZogG | X-Fade, i can skipforward as mplayer quits if the file has "holes" in the middle |
| 12:16.48 | X-Fade | ZogG: You want safety, I don't ;) |
| 12:16.55 | ZogG | X-Fade, first of all only pussies watch HD in mpeg, second of all mplayer doesn't skip =0) |
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| 12:17.33 | ZogG | at least there is one thing that is good in this not skipping thing that was annoying =)) |
| 12:17.41 | X-Fade | ZogG: What other non-mpeg codec do you have your HD content in then? |
| 12:17.43 | ZogG | X-Fade, but thanks anyway againg =))) |
| 12:17.58 | ZogG | X-Fade, only mkv+x264 |
| 12:18.11 | X-Fade | ZogG: And that is not owned by MPEG LA? |
| 12:18.21 | ZogG | i have 2 or 3 images as well as i tried to encode them =) |
| 12:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: just tar (without gzip) a large enough folder iincl subfolders to the card, then compare (again tar) |
| 12:18.48 | ZogG | X-Fade, does mpeg la own x264 and mkv? |
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| 12:19.03 | X-Fade | x264 yes, mkv is just the container? |
| 12:19.09 | ZogG | i know |
| 12:19.17 | ZogG | that mkv is container |
| 12:19.33 | X-Fade | x264 is a dangerous format ;) |
| 12:19.38 | ZogG | why so? |
| 12:19.43 | X-Fade | Can be licensed in about 2 years. |
| 12:19.44 | ZogG | becasue of the lisence? |
| 12:19.54 | ZogG | X-Fade, we'll leave and see |
| 12:20.02 | X-Fade | mpeg la decided to give it away for free and review the case in 2012. |
| 12:20.04 | ZogG | anyway all the movies i have are pirate =) |
| 12:20.17 | X-Fade | Guess what happens then :) |
| 12:20.19 | ZogG | X-Fade, they wanted to do it in 2010 as well =) |
| 12:20.39 | ZogG | X-Fade, nothing for me - untill mosad comes to my house i guess |
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| 12:21.35 | achipa | the idea is that they hope if they don't push licenses too hard, people will adopt it, and it will have such dominance in two years that whatever terms they set, will eventually have to be met |
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| 12:22.10 | ZogG | achipa, the world is geting more and more evil |
| 12:22.11 | Trewas | h264 is the format, x264 is an open-source encoder for it </nitpick> |
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| 12:23.16 | achipa | Trewas: same thing. control the format and you control the producer/consumers of it |
| 12:23.31 | achipa | it's not like we did not see the same story with mp3 |
| 12:24.39 | ZogG | achipa mp3 format license is over - isn't it? |
| 12:26.04 | kerio | achipa: control the format and people will use it without caring about your patent |
| 12:27.11 | achipa | ZogG: not really, many aspects are still patented AFAIK - it's just that they realize there is no money to be made on FOSS people, so they let them be |
| 12:27.22 | Trewas | commercial (legal) users cannot easily "not care" about the patents or licensing |
| 12:27.49 | ZogG | make the world opensource!!! |
| 12:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ping |
| 12:27.54 | achipa | kerio: that is exactly the point. Nobody wants to harrass people. They want to harrass companies that make stuff for people. |
| 12:28.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, \o |
| 12:28.12 | ZogG | lcuk o/ |
| 12:28.22 | lcuk | hiya ZogG |
| 12:28.29 | ZogG | sup |
| 12:28.40 | kerio | achipa: yeah, they'll totally sue Open Source Development inc. for the money they're making selling the encoder |
| 12:28.51 | kerio | oh wait, it's not a real company and nobody is making money with x264 |
| 12:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: am I right we agreed upon flashing eMMC first, then rootfs is probably safer than doing other way round? |
| 12:29.10 | lcuk | yes if you are doing both |
| 12:29.15 | ZogG | when ps3 would support divx7 that supports x264, damnit |
| 12:29.16 | Corsac | kerio: are you sure nobody makes money with x264? :) |
| 12:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ok |
| 12:29.36 | kerio | if they are, they probably shouldn't |
| 12:29.49 | achipa | kerio: they are, it's economy 101 |
| 12:30.00 | ZogG | kerio it's all about money man, the world is corrupted |
| 12:30.38 | achipa | kerio: if you kill the free encoders, only paying ones survive, and they do bring income. So for them cease & desisting free encoders makes a whole lotta sense |
| 12:30.56 | achipa | seriously, just take a look at the history of mp3 encoders under linux |
| 12:31.14 | pupnik_ | i would like a mp3 reconstructor |
| 12:31.27 | achipa | it took, what, 10-15 years to make mp3 encoding semi-legal ? |
| 12:31.30 | pupnik_ | identify adjacent music pieces by fuzzy match of the fft spectra of end-frames |
| 12:32.09 | ZogG | achipa pupnik_ duck the mp3 - flac FTW |
| 12:32.31 | alterego | "n900-camera-firmware" there's firmware for the friggin' camera?! :D |
| 12:32.50 | Trewas | achipa: afaik x264 is even used by some companies making bluray disks, it just means that the company itself has to take care of licensing instead of whoever made the encoder |
| 12:32.51 | ZogG | alterego what? |
| 12:33.06 | ZogG | Trewas, that is point in license |
| 12:33.18 | alterego | ZogG: just watching the packages scroll past whilst generating this meego image and saw that package. |
| 12:33.24 | ZogG | not for user but for the companies =) |
| 12:33.34 | alterego | It also has openssh installed, I wonder if USB networking will work .. |
| 12:33.53 | ZogG | alterego, oh,i would liek you show some more detailed instructions |
| 12:33.58 | alterego | thinks for a second .. No bme, erm, will host mode work under MeeGo? |
| 12:34.11 | achipa | btw mp3 vs ogg/flac is the prime example - it doesn't matter how free or good ogg/flac are, the ubiquitous format (exactly because of initial weak enforcement) is mp3 |
| 12:34.34 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: MeeGo + N900 + Hostmode, what do you think? :P |
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| 12:36.34 | Venemo | alterego: yes, there is |
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| 12:36.52 | Venemo | alterego: for example, the BlessN900 app in fact changes that firmware |
| 12:36.55 | alterego | Venemo: yes there is usb networking support on the MeeGo build? |
| 12:37.05 | alterego | Oh, camera firmware :P |
| 12:37.31 | alterego | On qt libs now, shouldn't be too long |
| 12:37.34 | Venemo | alterego: I spoke about the camera firmware |
| 12:37.47 | alterego | Yer |
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| 12:40.25 | Nadley | hi everybody |
| 12:41.30 | Nadley | I think I have trouble with my wifi connection. In fact I'm connecting but when I want to install a theme from extra ( approx 6Mb) it take 30minutes or more :s |
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| 12:43.32 | pahartik | would like to know what is recommended way to play specified alert sounds on "Nokia N900" shell |
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| 12:45.28 | sx0n | beep ? :) |
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| 12:48.52 | Nadley | nobody to help me |
| 12:49.50 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: hostmode on meego wil suffer from borked musb_hdrc.c and relatives same way maemo does. BME is considered solved for now |
| 12:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: simply do a 'stop bme' before you start hostmode, and 'start bme' after you've quit hostmode |
| 12:50.49 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: okay, well, is there any fix for musb_hdrc.c which will be sumbitted upstream to kernel.org? |
| 12:51.24 | alterego | Is it broken? Or does it just not do what we _need_ it to do? |
| 12:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: that 'fix' is exactly what hostmode is all about - and no there's none yet that does anything really useful |
| 12:52.04 | alterego | Okay, |
| 12:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: the whole musb driver zoo isn't written for hostmode on N900, not to talk about testing/debugging |
| 12:52.46 | pahartik | sx0n: I tried "gst-launch filesrc location=/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/Good\ morning\ mummot.aac ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! pulsesink" but it gives silence |
| 12:53.21 | alterego | pahartik: why not just use playbin? |
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| 12:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: we have a limited flawed OTG implementation on musb driver. Alas OTG isn't handling hostmode at all, on the N900 |
| 12:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | generic plain vanilla hostmode that is |
| 12:54.27 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: this reminds me, can I ask what is the current state of generic (non-OTG) host mode? |
| 12:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | WIP |
| 12:55.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | though I'm not really the kernel devel dude to fix that friggin musb driver, and the kernel hackers seem on holiday lately |
| 12:55.48 | alterego | can see the "Speculations about N900 USB host mode ..." |
| 12:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 12:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | even another new tmo thread?? :-o |
| 12:56.35 | BCMM | a thread along the lines of "speculation on pr1.2", right? |
| 12:56.39 | alterego | No, but I'm sure there will be. |
| 12:56.43 | alterego | You know how people hate waiting. |
| 12:56.56 | kerio | i'm trying to install easy debian, but the deb img install doesn't work |
| 12:56.57 | alterego | considers starting it himself |
| 12:56.59 | BCMM | and we do need a new way to get people kicked for fun |
| 12:56.59 | kerio | x terminal just crashes |
| 12:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | there is a thread already |
| 12:57.02 | alterego | teeheehee |
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| 12:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227&page=18 |
| 12:57.28 | alterego | Yeah, tmo is not a good forum for open development discussions :) |
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| 12:58.08 | BCMM | i'm amazed at how many projects seem to be semi-successfully organised on a single unthreaded phpbb thread |
| 12:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:58.35 | pahartik | alterego: "ERROR: from element /GstPlayBin:playbin0/GstFileSrc:source: Internal data flow error." |
| 12:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | it works as long as there's not TOO much attention from end users |
| 12:59.10 | BCMM | then again, a quick look at sourceforge would suggest that most small projects, given a bug report system and so on, basically don't use it |
| 12:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 12:59.36 | alterego | Heh, yes, what other community has as much of a rabid dog aspect to it than us |
| 13:00.04 | pahartik | alterego: Oh, it succeeds with "/usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav" for example |
| 13:00.22 | alterego | pahartik: ah, so it's a problem with aac maybe |
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| 13:00.53 | alterego | On the subject of gstreamer, does anyone know why the "alpha" element doesn't work? |
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| 13:01.10 | alterego | I wonder if this will be fixed in MeeGo .. |
| 13:01.22 | alterego | Hopefully if the camera works I can test it in a few minutes :) |
| 13:01.28 | pahartik | alterego: Yes, even though that stream works fine on default media player... |
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| 13:04.04 | DocScrutinizer | pahartik: filenames with whitespace are EVIL(tm), and you never should \escape the whitespace, rather enclose the whole path/filename in 'ticks' |
| 13:04.26 | cehteh | filenames with newlines are evil :o) |
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| 13:04.49 | BCMM | yeah, those are really evil |
| 13:05.00 | cehteh | and in old unix days you could embed control sequences in filenames .. was rather funny with a clear-screen escape sequence |
| 13:05.01 | BCMM | cehteh: i spent a while banging my head against one of those |
| 13:05.05 | cehteh | ls *bang* |
| 13:05.17 | BCMM | cehteh: apparently certain X11 file managers make it easy to create one |
| 13:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: yeah! or have colored filenames |
| 13:05.34 | BCMM | and until you think of it, you wonder what the hell the terminal is doing |
| 13:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | or embedded BELL |
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| 13:05.56 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: and forget to reset the color or the highlight :) |
| 13:06.01 | cehteh | or bold |
| 13:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | SI/SO |
| 13:06.23 | cehteh | but still my favorite was xxxxxxESCc |
| 13:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | there's a FSCKNG LOT of funny things you can do with odd filenames |
| 13:06.46 | ech0Asus | mornin' all |
| 13:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | backticks are nice :-P |
| 13:07.33 | cehteh | well gnu tools handle them half-way sane .. at least much more sane than old original unix tools |
| 13:08.12 | cehteh | mkdir \* ... rm -rf * :) |
| 13:08.16 | ech0Asus | another day another chunk of the gulf destroyed.. yay.. thank god for the combustion engine what would we ever do without.. |
| 13:08.22 | cehteh | cheat the noobs |
| 13:08.27 | pahartik | DocScrutinizer: Acknowledged |
| 13:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~/.myData/MyRoge`rm -rf \*`File.bad |
| 13:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | oops, poor infobot |
| 13:09.14 | BCMM | creating a file called -rf is potentially amusing |
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| 13:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:09.40 | alterego | Hahs |
| 13:09.53 | ech0Asus | -rf bp... |
| 13:11.36 | cehteh | touch $'-rw-rw-r-- 1 ct ct 211 Nov 23 2009 test\n' |
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| 13:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | should still be worth a lol |
| 13:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | depending on the tool (shell) you're using |
| 13:12.47 | ech0Asus | there is nothing this company can do to make up for what it's done.. they're entire company needs to be shut down and this should honestly be treated as an act of war against the us and all other countries effected.. stupid people and their cars 90% of all business could be done over the internet we destroy this planet for our vanity.. |
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| 13:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: ack |
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| 13:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: I fI were Obama I already had seized their complete activa |
| 13:16.29 | ech0Asus | obama is getting paid off this shit.. theres no way he aint.. he should of taken control and stopped this shit already he's not doing shit.. worthless as a president.. the last one would of done better and he was a freakin' murderer.. |
| 13:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | thrown a few hundered managers and chief engineers in prison, until proper trial |
| 13:17.47 | alterego | This is sort of Ironic coming from the most oil dependant country on the planet. |
| 13:17.50 | ech0Asus | i want bill clinton back |
| 13:17.52 | ech0Asus | wtf this is crap |
| 13:18.09 | ech0Asus | stupid laws why can't the one man with big enough balls to get his dick sucked take the lead.. |
| 13:18.31 | ech0Asus | everyone else been pussies in my opinion since then.. |
| 13:18.38 | pupnik | what can i say? stylin :) http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/n98.jpg?w=468&h=254&h=254 |
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| 13:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | just a proof of the concept we're no longer governed by politicians but by economy zones managed by global players - like in blade runner, or a dozen other movies |
| 13:19.06 | alterego | Yes, |
| 13:19.20 | ech0Asus | yeah shits run by people with cash and we just get to watch the show they put on... |
| 13:21.00 | lcuk | oh pupnik that is gorgeous |
| 13:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | meh, 4-row kbd |
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| 13:24.07 | ech0Asus | is there another media player similar to xbmc for linux? |
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| 13:24.26 | ech0Asus | xbmc has a few bugs, random crashes when loading my media libraries |
| 13:24.41 | mortini | mythtv/boxee |
| 13:24.47 | ech0Asus | cool i'll google those |
| 13:24.48 | ech0Asus | thx |
| 13:24.49 | mortini | boxee is xmbc based tho |
| 13:25.03 | mortini | I think there's a few more out there, but they're in varying levels of support |
| 13:25.08 | mortini | a lot depends on what you want to do, too |
| 13:26.06 | ech0Asus | movie management and music |
| 13:26.19 | alterego | Heh, just got a "You've exceeded 500M" I've downloaded about 2G this month and they realise this now? |
| 13:26.23 | mirf | XBMC FTW |
| 13:27.04 | ech0Asus | XBMC crashes when i go into certain directories and i'm not sure why.. i think maybe it's just too much in it.. |
| 13:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: what's the writing lower leftmost corner of screen on that device? |
| 13:27.34 | ech0Asus | goin to try this boxee looks like it'll be perfect |
| 13:28.01 | mortini | mythtv is more meant for recording tv, and that's what i use it for as well as othermedia management |
| 13:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: left of "Options" |
| 13:28.46 | pupnik | no idea DocScrutinizer |
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| 13:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: "Nĸ¼" ? |
| 13:29.29 | pupnik | so that's a knockoff device? |
| 13:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | "MOO"? |
| 13:29.45 | ech0Asus | yeah i have no input card |
| 13:30.05 | ech0Asus | so i just need media management mostly |
| 13:30.19 | ech0Asus | i'm excited bout this boxee looks cool thx for the tip |
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| 13:31.48 | ech0Asus | i wonder if there is a myth tv or boxee remote for the n900... so u could watch your tv shows or whatever from your n900 via wifi when out and about.. |
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| 13:32.46 | ech0Asus | i remember something like that for the n810 for mythtv.. |
| 13:33.14 | mgedmin | there's BlueMaemo which can make the n900 pretend to be a keyboard/mouse/remote control |
| 13:33.30 | mgedmin | I didn't have much luck with it (connection drops etc.); dunno if the fault is on the n900 side or my laptop side |
| 13:34.01 | alterego | mgedmin: same here, never got it to work .. |
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| 13:39.31 | Lantizia | does anyone use the microemulator in here? |
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| 13:42.56 | mikki-kun | hm, are there other alternatives in getting skype back runing besides making a new account? tried moving the shared.xml but it doesn't kinda spawn a new one which works properly |
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| 13:44.29 | Tuukka | Anyone using Nitdroid who could clear one thing out? NitDroid is updated fairly often how easy is it to update it? Reflash? |
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| 13:50.38 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: from what i've read now in a short while it needs reflashing at least the first time you do it... i assume that after that it should work "normal" with updating... |
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| 13:51.54 | Tuukka | mikki-kun what exactly means "normal"? ota updates :O that be sweet |
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| 13:52.19 | mikki-kun | i think they could work as the internal mmc will get partitioned into three smaller partitions |
| 13:52.34 | mikki-kun | one vfat, and another one ext3 |
| 13:52.46 | mikki-kun | and the ext3 seems to be the android root fs |
| 13:53.27 | mikki-kun | just the guide is kinda like "make three partitons" but in the next step only sda1 and sda3 will get attention |
| 13:53.33 | mikki-kun | sda2 is totally lost |
| 13:53.43 | mikki-kun | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25736 |
| 13:53.57 | Tuukka | So you just replace the old files with new ones in your memory card/internal memory. Thanks! |
| 13:54.08 | mikki-kun | i am not sure though |
| 13:54.21 | mikki-kun | i've never tried android on any nit so far |
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| 13:54.47 | mirf | why would yo want to? |
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| 13:55.07 | mikki-kun | mirf: to also see the other side of the market ;) |
| 13:55.15 | mirf | I guess |
| 13:55.18 | lardman | allo allo |
| 13:55.27 | mikki-kun | when you get in an argument with what's the best you gotta know how it behaves |
| 13:55.31 | mirf | hahaha |
| 13:55.45 | mirf | someone beter port iphone os over then ;) |
| 13:56.01 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ <-- this site also has some info, just it seems outdated |
| 13:56.09 | mikki-kun | mirf: ok, that's an exception |
| 13:56.14 | mirf | :P |
| 13:56.16 | mikki-kun | you just know it sucks for us ^^ |
| 13:56.26 | mikki-kun | it's like a magazine |
| 13:56.37 | mirf | I'm loving maemo so far |
| 13:56.40 | mikki-kun | once finished you can't do anything with it anymore besides reading it again |
| 13:56.48 | Tuukka | mikki-kun thanks, but those are for N700- N800 :/ |
| 13:57.23 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: hm, sadly the newer site is down ;/ but i think it hasn't changed that much |
| 13:57.50 | mikki-kun | mirf: i kinda feel overpowered with my n900... |
| 13:58.10 | mikki-kun | sure, it needs skill to master it and exploit it to it's limits |
| 13:58.24 | mirf | yes true |
| 13:58.27 | mikki-kun | but once you get there the n900 is at least a year ahead of the competition |
| 13:58.34 | mirf | I'd like to lowere the resolution on mine |
| 13:58.38 | mirf | *lower |
| 13:58.46 | mirf | so it strains the eyes less |
| 13:58.48 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: nitdroid.com is sadly down, would have otherwise looked there ;/ |
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| 13:59.37 | Tuukka | I'll try to cope with the old info |
| 13:59.58 | mikki-kun | mirf: hm, i am not so sure it would be that smart... some apps are maybe hardcoded to certain resolutions... |
| 14:00.10 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: maybe you can fetch from some youtube-links info |
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| 14:00.28 | mikki-kun | i mean "youtube-vids" |
| 14:00.35 | Tuukka | yeah already found a youtube tutorial |
| 14:00.40 | mirf | mikki-kun: damn |
| 14:00.41 | Tuukka | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7YPDufJc88 |
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| 14:01.16 | DbusKilledMe | hi |
| 14:01.38 | mikki-kun | mirf: but it could maybe work, by tweaking xorg's resolution though... |
| 14:02.00 | mirf | hmm |
| 14:02.22 | mirf | as long as I have ssh access shouldn't be too dangerous |
| 14:02.26 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: hm, that's cool :) i like youtube for the people making tutorials there :) |
| 14:02.48 | mikki-kun | mirf: reflashing should also work then ^^ |
| 14:03.14 | Tuukka | mikki-kun, Now all I need is a memory card :D ... |
| 14:03.29 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: memory card for froyo? |
| 14:03.42 | mikki-kun | i heard froyo doesn't recognize the sd-cardslot :/ |
| 14:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | YEEEEHA!!! I *love* that dog! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqv4Vviod0c&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:04.32 | mirf | hehe yeah I haven't backed up yet so that would be poop |
| 14:04.34 | mikki-kun | but if it can boot from it then it's cool :D |
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| 14:04.57 | mirf | I've had it a week so I don't want to go that far yet :P |
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| 14:05.19 | mikki-kun | mirf: some people flashed it the first day XD |
| 14:05.32 | Tuukka | hmmm... well i read some where that installing NitDroid might bust the internal memory so it is safer to use a memcard. Just to be safe :D Maybe i'll need to use a older android version |
| 14:05.32 | mirf | haha nice |
| 14:05.38 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: i'd recommend for booting a fast micro-SD |
| 14:05.48 | mikki-kun | so one of the class 6's... |
| 14:06.17 | mikki-kun | i thought about buying an 8gig class 6 for it |
| 14:06.58 | Tuukka | Yeah, i'll be soon ordering 2 16gb ones, 32gb is too expensive :P |
| 14:07.14 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: muhaha, the dog shows how annoying the vuvuzuela is :D |
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| 14:08.43 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: they are writing around 2MB/sec... that's then like 7450secs or roughly 2:09 hours until that's full... |
| 14:09.06 | mikki-kun | that's a huge pita imho |
| 14:09.12 | Tuukka | Lol... awfully slow :D |
| 14:09.42 | Tuukka | class 6? |
| 14:10.38 | Lantizia | If I install usbcontrol and get one of these... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/230493262010 |
| 14:10.48 | Lantizia | Basically a Female USB to Male MicroUSB |
| 14:11.00 | Lantizia | I'm all set for using mice, keyboards, usb pens etc right? |
| 14:11.29 | DbusKilledMe | anyone know what are the performance odf dbus on maemo please ? if it's a standard dbus or pacthed one ? what kind of optimisations is done on it |
| 14:11.37 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: class 6 means it writes around 6MB/sec |
| 14:12.01 | mikki-kun | at some point i read it's the slowest, at another, more recent one it was stated it's the max speed... |
| 14:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: yoh man, only will need hostmode working then |
| 14:12.47 | Tuukka | Propably getting two of those then |
| 14:12.47 | Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, I thought thats what the usbcontrol package did? |
| 14:12.47 | mikki-kun | i made my 16Gig class 2 for permanent storage like my music which isn't changing every day |
| 14:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: or are you talking bout N810? |
| 14:12.47 | Lantizia | N900 :) |
| 14:12.55 | mirf | that is awesome Lantizia |
| 14:13.01 | Lantizia | This has made me think about it again... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39173 |
| 14:13.22 | Lantizia | But it's not clear at the end of that thread if people have changed their minds and do think it's possible |
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| 14:14.36 | mikki-kun | hostmode.... oh, forgot we have this as well... does it work now? |
| 14:14.47 | Tuukka | What's the difference between micro SD and micro SDHC? |
| 14:14.58 | MohammadAG | HC = high capacity |
| 14:14.59 | mikki-kun | Tuukka: just storage-wise |
| 14:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: seen sarahn's post at the end? |
| 14:15.38 | Tuukka | k, so they both fit |
| 14:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | USBcontrol is N810heritage and doesn't work on N900, as N900 has a kernel that doesn't support hostmode, and not long ago common sense was it's not possible at all on N900 |
| 14:17.15 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: so usb-hostmode is still under development for the n900? |
| 14:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes, basically. Though development is rather slow lately |
| 14:18.09 | MohammadAG | I asked X Fade to take the usbcontrol package down |
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| 14:18.15 | MohammadAG | which iirc he did |
| 14:18.18 | mikki-kun | would love to support it, but as i can't code i would me more of a burden then ;/ |
| 14:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: would be a sane thing to take it down |
| 14:18.45 | LuciusMare | Hi, I made a panoramatic wallpaper, got the .desktop file, but what should i do with it now? |
| 14:19.12 | Oyvindra | How long can I expect to wait while the phone is unresponsive during the install of easy debian? |
| 14:19.26 | MohammadAG | 10 minutes or 20 |
| 14:19.29 | MohammadAG | I suppose |
| 14:19.33 | tristan | whats easy debian? |
| 14:19.44 | MohammadAG | extracting a heavily compressed image takes time on a 600MHz CPU |
| 14:20.08 | LuciusMare | MohammadAG: A little longer, mine installation took a bit more than a half a hour? |
| 14:20.16 | MohammadAG | not sure |
| 14:20.23 | MohammadAG | 300 MB to about 1.2GB, do the maths :P |
| 14:20.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he reuploaded it x.x |
| 14:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | WHO? |
| 14:20.38 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, mind taking it down again? |
| 14:20.49 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: mine took about an hour ;/ ^^ |
| 14:20.51 | X-Fade | Sure, let's see. |
| 14:20.52 | MohammadAG | Urho Konttori <-- it seems |
| 14:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 14:20.59 | LuciusMare | 300 MB to 1.2 GB -> Be patient :) |
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| 14:21.33 | Oyvindra | Ok, guess I'm about half way then... not much reaction at all, unlocking takes probably 4-5 minutes now :) |
| 14:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | he'd better upload some kernel patches |
| 14:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | $&5ðâ¬Â²4@@!!#**@ |
| 14:22.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I think he selects fremantle, and diablo when he uploads it |
| 14:22.07 | MohammadAG | for some reason |
| 14:22.23 | LuciusMare | Hi, I made a panoramatic wallpaper, got the .desktop file, but what should i do with it now? When i click "add" at the wallpaper menu, the .desktop file doesn't show |
| 14:23.04 | b-man | LuciusMare: is the .desktop file in /home/user/MyDocs/.images? ? |
| 14:23.41 | chem|st | Tuukka: SD <= 2GB, SDHC <= 32GB |
| 14:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | OK, idle N900 with clean PR1.2, no services installed (except sshd), sitting idle on WLAN for >4 days now - bat ~50% |
| 14:23.48 | DbusKilledMe | Anyone knows where can i get maemo's dbus source code please ? |
| 14:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | No GSM |
| 14:23.51 | LuciusMare | b-man: no, the wiki page just said "In the same directory as your pictures" |
| 14:23.55 | LuciusMare | I'll try |
| 14:24.56 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I had it 6 hours on 0% with wifi on and logged in to various accounts... |
| 14:25.35 | LuciusMare | b-man: thank you, it works now :) |
| 14:25.48 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: your wlan seems to support pretty good power management |
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| 14:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | it supports PSM=max, yes |
| 14:26.34 | b-man | LuciusMare: np :) |
| 14:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | though I see lags of ~30..60s sometimes |
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| 14:27.17 | crashanddie | DbusKilledMe: an appropriate nick wouldn't hurt, either |
| 14:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe it doesn't really support it that well |
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| 14:28.10 | mikki-kun | hm, i heard something about backtrack linux for the n900... will that be then in form of an image which get's chrooted like the one from easy-debian? |
| 14:28.35 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: hm, you're pinging it every 2 mins? |
| 14:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: no, why should I? |
| 14:29.05 | mikki-kun | hm, jus thought as you mentioned the lags |
| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'm doing plain nothing on it, except it checks for sw-updates once a day |
| 14:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | the lags are from ssh sessions |
| 14:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | which I haven't active for the last 4 days |
| 14:30.11 | DbusKilledMe | crashanddie: its killing me for real ! and its not fun |
| 14:30.19 | chem|st | DbusKilledMe: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/dbus/1.2.12-0maemo6+0m5/ |
| 14:30.27 | crashanddie | DbusKilledMe: doesn't matter |
| 14:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | also from IRC ocasionally (though on 1.1.1 there) |
| 14:30.57 | mikki-kun | you have two n900s? :o |
| 14:30.58 | DbusKilledMe | crashanddie: i dont care about your comments also ! good day ! |
| 14:31.00 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: backtrack mobile for N900? Should be out soon, no word on the image format |
| 14:31.05 | DbusKilledMe | chem|st: thank you |
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| 14:31.26 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: hopefully it'll work as good as the normal backtrack then... |
| 14:32.17 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: well, they're promising full packet injection support |
| 14:32.28 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: which really is what most people are hoping for |
| 14:33.56 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: more of the kiddies who think hacking is cool when done randomly |
| 14:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: with WL1251? or will they use some weird hardware hack? |
| 14:34.24 | MohammadAG | WL1251 iirc |
| 14:34.26 | crashanddie | yup, with wl1251 |
| 14:34.39 | mikki-kun | using backtrack and doing package injection is one thing, understanding what is done a whole other story |
| 14:34.43 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, how soon is soon? |
| 14:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | o.O :-D |
| 14:34.56 | crashanddie | before BH and DC |
| 14:35.06 | crashanddie | so in the next few days, less than two weeks |
| 14:35.19 | b-man | :) |
| 14:35.19 | mikki-kun | what means "BH and DC"? |
| 14:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | AC/DC |
| 14:35.29 | MohammadAG | AC/DC wannabe |
| 14:35.30 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 14:35.54 | mikki-kun | ok, i am now totally confused *running wildly through the channel with my arms in the air screaming* |
| 14:35.58 | DbusKilledMe | good day all |
| 14:36.03 | b-man | lol |
| 14:36.04 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: blackhat and defcon security conferences |
| 14:36.13 | chem|st | lol |
| 14:36.18 | mikki-kun | *calms down* |
| 14:36.22 | mikki-kun | thanks ^^ |
| 14:36.38 | mikki-kun | *returns to normal state after playing the song of healing* |
| 14:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | hmm BH :-)) |
| 14:37.24 | alterego | mikki-kun: this song of healing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 14:37.29 | mikki-kun | ohhh, blackhats... aren't those the bad guys in hacking? :o |
| 14:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to find it rolled out *at* BH |
| 14:37.58 | mikki-kun | alterego: you failed due to my slow internet :D |
| 14:38.01 | lardman | ab: ping |
| 14:38.02 | alterego | Heh |
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| 14:38.38 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: hardly http://www.blackhat.com/ |
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| 14:39.20 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ablackhat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t <--- third definition |
| 14:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | basically he's right on meaning of 'blackhat' |
| 14:40.07 | crashanddie | yes, but we're not talking about "bad guys" when talking about the Black Hat Security Conference |
| 14:40.20 | crashanddie | just people who happen to break the law in order to expose security issues |
| 14:40.29 | b-man | rofl |
| 14:40.55 | timeless | right, these are the good bad guys |
| 14:40.58 | b-man | someone recently did something like that to AT``&T |
| 14:40.59 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: those are then whitehats ;) |
| 14:41.05 | b-man | *AT&T |
| 14:41.11 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: no, they're not |
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| 14:41.20 | mikki-kun | b-man: you mean that ipad issue? |
| 14:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | compare http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define:whitehat&btnG=Search |
| 14:41.23 | MohammadAG | http://gizmodo.com/5577316/steve-jobs-to-angry-iphone-4-user-relax-its-just-a-phone *hides* |
| 14:42.02 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: white hats are usually employed by security companies, and have permission. There is a contract around their work. |
| 14:42.33 | b-man | mikki-kun>: it may be; he was mostly exposing security holes throughout their cell service |
| 14:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define:greyhat&btnG=Search |
| 14:43.23 | b-man | mikki-kun: but instead of fixing the holes, at&t just had the guy arrested and moved on :P |
| 14:45.03 | sejo | hmm when I take a picture with the n900 I cannot see it in the gallery? |
| 14:45.15 | jacekowski | sejo: maybe you are recording a movie |
| 14:45.26 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: thanks for correcting me, i had "script kiddies" in mind when thinking about gray hats ^^' |
| 14:45.39 | jacekowski | sejo: do you have something looking like a camera on the right side |
| 14:45.41 | mikki-kun | sejo: tracker process running? |
| 14:45.52 | sejo | jacekowski: no the files are written in a DCIM folder |
| 14:45.55 | jacekowski | sejo: secon icon from the top |
| 14:45.57 | sejo | tracker? |
| 14:46.15 | sejo | geotagging is done |
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| 14:46.56 | timeless | eh |
| 14:47.01 | timeless | DCIM includes movies too iirc |
| 14:47.13 | sejo | yeah but movies aren't .jpeg? |
| 14:47.16 | sejo | jpg |
| 14:47.47 | timeless | first, is your n900 intentionally broken in some interesting way? |
| 14:47.56 | timeless | second, is your n900 attached to a usb cable? |
| 14:48.02 | sejo | timeless: it's a new phone |
| 14:48.09 | alterego | MohammadAG: funny thing is, the more Steve Jobs tralks about the issue, the more the fanbois are getting angry, then you look at us, Nokia don't say much, and we're all kind of "Meh" .. |
| 14:48.12 | sejo | just got it last week (replaced my developer phone) |
| 14:48.17 | timeless | third, what version of the firmware are you using? |
| 14:48.21 | sejo | trackerd is running |
| 14:48.26 | timeless | there are ~5 versions floating around |
| 14:48.34 | timeless | isn't interested in supporting <1.2 |
| 14:48.38 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu |
| 14:48.42 | sejo | 10.2010.19-1 |
| 14:49.09 | timeless | but in short, the image viewer lists things which tracker has found |
| 14:49.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, meh |
| 14:49.33 | timeless | so if tracker hasn't found the file, then it's reasonable that image viewer wouldn't show it |
| 14:49.43 | timeless | you should be able to open the file w/ file manager |
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| 14:50.15 | sejo | trying |
| 14:50.31 | sejo | yes I can open it |
| 14:50.41 | sejo | perhaps I need to reboot it first? |
| 14:50.55 | timeless | you could try patience |
| 14:51.11 | MohammadAG | or reset tracker |
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| 14:53.21 | MohammadAG | who the f is 86.141.252.250 |
| 14:53.38 | mikki-kun | not me at least... |
| 14:54.01 | Tuukka | Anyone using Hifi quality headphones on the N900? Is 3.5mm audio out jack good enough? |
| 14:54.10 | MohammadAG | they posted f ewffrea on my wiki talk page |
| 14:54.21 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: it's some scottish guy, no worries |
| 14:54.50 | mikki-kun | sejo: "tracker-processes -r && /usr/lib/tracker/trackerd &" <--- could help |
| 14:55.24 | mikki-kun | will reset the tracker and start it again |
| 14:55.32 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 14:55.39 | MohammadAG | just start the media player to restart tracker |
| 14:55.45 | MohammadAG | you don't have to keep terminal open |
| 14:56.13 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hm, another way, just that one is a c&p way ;) |
| 14:57.26 | alterego | Hah: quote: fahadj2003: "good = not free" |
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| 14:59.05 | Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, sorry was on the phone |
| 14:59.16 | Lantizia | i've seen that post but still confused |
| 15:04.21 | mikki-kun | hm, steve jobs is pretty relaxed about his phone... seems he has the iphone 5 already... |
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| 15:04.51 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:05.06 | Termana | mikki-kun, I don't think he is going to be too happy about the class action law suit |
| 15:05.17 | ech0Nokia | sup everyone.. |
| 15:05.37 | mikki-kun | hm, let's see who has more money for the "better" lawyer... |
| 15:06.01 | mikki-kun | that's what'S most probably reality ;/ |
| 15:06.02 | crashanddie | nobody cares about class action lawsuits |
| 15:06.15 | ech0Nokia | lol im at ross my chick is shopping.. this is so borin at least i got my n900 lol... |
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| 15:06.55 | crashanddie | Termana: everyone involved in it will get a $20 free gift card for itunes, and then they'll say "Hey look, firmware update, all fixed" |
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| 15:07.40 | mikki-kun | ech0Nokia: don't leave the house without your n900 ;) |
| 15:08.21 | ech0Nokia | for sure.. love this thing.. |
| 15:08.25 | crashanddie | anyone who calls his "girlfriend" his "chick", probably has neither. |
| 15:08.40 | ech0Nokia | and my 10 unlimited 3g lol |
| 15:08.41 | mikki-kun | more than your 'chick'? ;) |
| 15:08.56 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: want a picture? |
| 15:09.06 | ech0Nokia | 10$* nah not more then my chick... |
| 15:09.22 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: old joke my teachers used to crack as soon as a student got a new girlfriend |
| 15:09.31 | crashanddie | mikki-kun: Do you have naked pictures of your girlfriend? |
| 15:09.33 | ech0Nokia | i dont buy my nokia clothes lol |
| 15:09.37 | crashanddie | usual answers is "No" |
| 15:09.43 | crashanddie | then they ask "Do you want some?" |
| 15:10.02 | mikki-kun | crashanddie: i know that, but in german... from "german-bash.org" |
| 15:10.08 | ech0Nokia | i got video |
| 15:11.05 | mikki-kun | i am really watching too much LoZ laterly |
| 15:11.07 | mikki-kun | *lately |
| 15:11.41 | ech0Nokia | xchat works really good on here |
| 15:12.08 | ech0Nokia | over tmo 3g |
| 15:12.25 | ech0Nokia | youtube is all choppy though... |
| 15:13.21 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 15:13.25 | ech0Nokia | so anything new came out for the n900 lately? |
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| 15:13.30 | MohammadAG | does anyone have a connection error problem when calling? |
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| 15:13.42 | MohammadAG | a friend is bi***ing about it |
| 15:13.47 | ech0Nokia | i occasionally do |
| 15:13.50 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: SIM authentication issue. |
| 15:14.15 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I had it with a prepaid card in Australia |
| 15:14.38 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 15:15.00 | ech0Nokia | i wish this place sold pretzils |
| 15:15.32 | mikki-kun | anybody else using BlessN900? |
| 15:15.52 | ech0Nokia | whats blessn900 a theme? |
| 15:16.02 | mirf | camera app |
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| 15:16.08 | mirf | I tried it |
| 15:16.12 | mirf | but I prefer the inbuilt cam |
| 15:16.15 | mirf | app |
| 15:16.39 | mikki-kun | my pics are kinda funny ^^ |
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| 15:18.12 | timeless | that file just has 'user=timeless' ... |
| 15:18.16 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
| 15:18.26 | mikki-kun | np ;) |
| 15:19.01 | misc-- | hello, I installed the kernel from here: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ I then put the original kernel back. I now want to re-install the mobile hotspot kernel. How do I do that? I installed the two .deb packages but it appears that it's still not running the *other* kernel |
| 15:19.49 | MohammadAG | why not just install it from the repos? |
| 15:19.52 | ech0Nokia | ur doin too much bro.. |
| 15:20.11 | misc-- | oh is it easier to install it these days? |
| 15:20.18 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 15:20.30 | misc-- | ah ok.. so I'll just put it back to how it was then |
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| 15:23.28 | misc-- | when I try to start it, in the terminal I get: DEBUG: Command output: insmod: can't read /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko: No such file or directory |
| 15:23.50 | mikki-kun | misc--: did you restart it? |
| 15:24.04 | misc-- | yeah |
| 15:24.27 | misc-- | I reinstalled the original kernel (apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher) then rebooted |
| 15:24.55 | misc-- | I don't need to reinstall iptables or anything do I? Or the mobile hotspot app itself? |
| 15:25.09 | MohammadAG | no, you're just missing the modules for it |
| 15:26.27 | misc-- | yeah. The modules are there, but just in a different directory. They're in /lib/modules/2.6.28-hotspot but my running kernel is 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 15:27.46 | MohammadAG | then cp them over, assuming they're compatible |
| 15:27.50 | MohammadAG | or flash the hotspot one |
| 15:28.47 | misc-- | ah, how do I go about flashing the hotspot one? |
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| 15:29.13 | mikki-kun | whoah :o i think i got the best pic ever with blessn900 :o gotta check it out |
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| 15:30.00 | mikki-kun | mehh... but it dies often >.< |
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| 15:32.53 | misc-- | so maybe I could do: flasher -F /boot/zImage-hotspot-2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.fiasco |
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| 15:35.44 | misc-- | damn... so close :/ oh well |
| 15:37.38 | pobega | i have this bug with the built-in IM client on my N810 -- all of my contacts are duplicated 2-6 times! is there any way to fix this? |
| 15:42.27 | d1b | hi does anyone know where the freerunner port is at ? |
| 15:42.31 | d1b | i can't find a working download :/ |
| 15:43.02 | MohammadAG | misc--, umm |
| 15:43.09 | mikki-kun | mirf: did you get problems saving your images while using blessn900? |
| 15:43.15 | mirf | nope |
| 15:43.21 | MohammadAG | fiasco-image-update /boot/zImage-hotspot-2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.fiasco |
| 15:43.24 | MohammadAG | if you have it there |
| 15:43.49 | mikki-kun | hm, mine are not correctly overlapping :( |
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| 15:45.08 | mikki-kun | hm, i'll reinstall it... |
| 15:45.20 | D-Iivil | evening everyone. |
| 15:45.47 | mikki-kun | evening :) |
| 15:48.39 | misc-- | MohammadAG: thank you very much :) appreciate it |
| 15:48.44 | d1b | so no one knows/ |
| 15:49.03 | misc-- | can finally go to sleep now |
| 15:49.40 | D-Iivil | shopping... makes.... me... wanna... kill.... myself.... |
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| 15:50.09 | D-Iivil | (but luckily I have my N900 with me and I managed to escape back to car) |
| 15:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: freerunner port? |
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| 15:50.47 | Venemo | D-Iivil: what happened? |
| 15:51.33 | D-Iivil | Venemo, nothing special. My wife just wanted to go buy some woman stuff etc and dragged me with her. |
| 15:52.13 | Corsac | did you need some woman stuff too? |
| 15:52.34 | D-Iivil | Corsac, LOL :D Noup but she needed a ride. |
| 15:52.41 | Corsac | hem |
| 15:52.55 | Corsac | is it just me or does it sounds a bit... |
| 15:53.03 | mikki-kun | XD |
| 15:53.30 | Venemo | D-Iivil: ah, I can understand you :) |
| 15:53.32 | D-Iivil | I mean... ride... by |
| 15:53.36 | D-Iivil | :D |
| 15:53.59 | mikki-kun | muhahaha arkward moment ^^ |
| 15:54.03 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 15:54.22 | D-Iivil | Haha :D |
| 15:56.55 | Venemo | mikki-kun: you most certainly have a very good sense of humour! :P |
| 15:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: no idea what you're talking about |
| 15:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: maybe mer on Neo Freerunner? |
| 15:58.34 | mikki-kun | Venemo: that's what i am usually told ;) |
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| 16:02.22 | ZogG | mikki-kun konichua mikki kun |
| 16:02.30 | ZogG | MohammadAG ho |
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| 16:04.41 | mikki-kun | ZogG: hm, my japanese is not even a stage 1 yet ;) need to load the sources and bootstrap it ^^ |
| 16:05.19 | ZogG | mikki-kun i don't it at all =) |
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| 16:05.25 | ZogG | just one movie |
| 16:05.31 | ZogG | and i think it's french one |
| 16:06.38 | mikki-kun | lol ^^ |
| 16:07.00 | ZogG | mikki-kun Taxi 2 |
| 16:07.13 | ZogG | as we speak i don't know french as well |
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| 16:07.57 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ping |
| 16:08.04 | ZogG | yo terrorist |
| 16:08.57 | mikki-kun | Ã.ö |
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| 16:11.14 | MohammadAG | lol ZogG, hey |
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| 16:13.04 | ZogG | MohammadAG, don't you love me anymore? |
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| 16:13.40 | MohammadAG | >.< |
| 16:14.03 | ZogG | MohammadAG51, have you got ears? |
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| 16:17.38 | crashanddie | ZogG: yes, there is japanese in the french movie taxi 2 |
| 16:17.45 | d1b | DocScrutinizer: yes |
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| 16:19.08 | ZogG | crashanddie, i know |
| 16:19.46 | GAN900 | It didn't piss me off so much not having AT&T 3G when Nokia was going to do a subsidy through T-Mobile |
| 16:19.51 | GAN900 | But that never panned out |
| 16:20.17 | GAN900 | So all of their customers using AT&T (the vast majority of US people) get screwed |
| 16:20.30 | ZogG | hey GAN900 |
| 16:21.29 | ZogG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.59 | ZogG | crashanddie i have some noob linux question =_) |
| 16:22.12 | crashanddie | why would you be asking me particularly? |
| 16:22.15 | crashanddie | Ask the channel :) |
| 16:23.11 | ZogG | crashanddie cause i have the feelings for you |
| 16:23.32 | crashanddie | well, don't feel forced |
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| 16:25.19 | ZogG | never mind =) |
| 16:25.56 | ZogG | i'm trying to find the laziest way to find out that my microSD is a fake one |
| 16:26.48 | ZogG | and i was given an advice to try out dd if=/dev/flash of=~/allsize |
| 16:26.52 | Venemo | ZogG: how can a microSD be a fake one? |
| 16:27.14 | tybollt | my question indeed :) |
| 16:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | d1b: /join #mer |
| 16:30.34 | mikki-kun | hm, a FLOP exception isn't good, right? |
| 16:31.24 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Unreliable |
| 16:31.34 | MiXu- | Oo. New firefox for N900. |
| 16:31.38 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: ah, okay. |
| 16:31.41 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: I've never seen out-and-out fake microSDs |
| 16:32.07 | SpeedEvil | See http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/2010/02/05/bunny-stocking/ zog |
| 16:32.08 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 16:32.11 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 16:32.14 | SpeedEvil | not worksave |
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| 16:32.35 | SpeedEvil | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 |
| 16:32.42 | SpeedEvil | worksafe, and interesting on fake microSDs |
| 16:32.56 | timeless | old iirc |
| 16:33.05 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: WTF are you looking at?! Ã.ö |
| 16:33.09 | SpeedEvil | moderately old, yes, but interesting |
| 16:33.25 | timeless | but yeah, well worth a read |
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| 16:34.12 | SpeedEvil | wishes SDs supported a 'get out of my way' mode of error correction. |
| 16:35.06 | SpeedEvil | Or at least TRIM |
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| 16:35.29 | loufoque | anyone knows whether meego on N900 is usable? |
| 16:35.46 | MohammadAG | #meego |
| 16:35.48 | timeless | i think you want #meego |
| 16:36.15 | Kegetys | isn't SD just direct access to the flash blocks? or does that depend on the controller |
| 16:36.35 | ZogG | Venemo, i have fake one i need a proof |
| 16:36.56 | Venemo | ZogG: okay, I was just asking |
| 16:36.56 | timeless | it's rarely direct access |
| 16:37.22 | Venemo | loufoque: not, it isn't really. it is a development version. |
| 16:37.28 | ZogG | Venemo reviews.ebay.com/How-to-check-storage-capacity-of-fake-USB-flash-drive_W0QQugidZ10000000003407025 |
| 16:37.40 | Venemo | ZogG: thanks! |
| 16:37.57 | loufoque | timeless: no I do not |
| 16:38.09 | loufoque | meego simply threatens maemo |
| 16:38.13 | Venemo | loufoque: you cannot even assume about pre-alpha software that it will be even remotely usable? |
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| 16:38.47 | loufoque | the future of maemo looks bleak if that is meego |
| 16:38.59 | Venemo | loufoque: what do you mean? |
| 16:39.20 | timeless | err. if you're going to talk about meego, please use #meego |
| 16:39.39 | timeless | and please keep in mind that access to prealpha does not give much in the way of hints as to what a final product might look like |
| 16:39.47 | timeless | it's just an invitation to devs to do stuff |
| 16:39.48 | Venemo | timeless: agreed :) |
| 16:40.07 | timeless | and if there's no gui, then the invited devs would obviously be lower-level devs |
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| 16:42.04 | Shapeshifter | I'm writing something using pygame for maemo5. Generally, what do I have to do to make an app request to be shown fullscreen without the status area? |
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| 16:46.23 | ZogG | damn maemo and damn meego and damn my fake microsd, i'm listening to music =) |
| 16:46.26 | ZogG | xmms2> Gorillaz - Stylo (feat. Bobby Womack and Mos Def) ["Plastic Beach" 2010] |
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| 16:47.25 | SpeedEvil | xmms4> Sir Mix A Lot - Baby got n900. |
| 16:48.17 | ZogG | SpeedEvil can you make xxms4 debs? |
| 16:48.23 | ZogG | xmms4* |
| 16:48.54 | SpeedEvil | doesn't really have xmms4. |
| 16:49.03 | ZogG | =( |
| 16:49.07 | kerio | so... is there a GUI for kismet/aircrack yet? |
| 16:49.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm using cuteftp |
| 16:49.14 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 16:49.20 | SpeedEvil | cuteexplorer + media player |
| 16:49.27 | ZogG | cuteftp on n900 or at all? |
| 16:49.40 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, media player? which one? |
| 16:49.46 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: the inbuilt |
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| 16:49.48 | kerio | possibly with a status bar toggle that reads "Auto pwning lololol" |
| 16:49.54 | SpeedEvil | As in pick a file in cutexplorer, and click on it |
| 16:49.57 | ZogG | why wouldn't you set xmms2 or mpd on server and listen from ity |
| 16:50.13 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Because I have no fucking energy at all. |
| 16:50.30 | ZogG | hugs SpeedEvil |
| 16:50.44 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Getting out of bed is hard at the moment. I tend to stick with stuff that basically works, rather than spending hours sorting stuff out. |
| 16:50.45 | ZogG | come on man, come to here and grab a beer |
| 16:51.08 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, what country are you from btw? |
| 16:51.14 | SpeedEvil | Scotland. |
| 16:51.37 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, WOW, i like your accent =))) |
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| 16:51.46 | ZogG | anyway i'm going back to drink |
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| 16:52.57 | kerio | should i add sources through the gui or can i just edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:52.58 | SpeedEvil | passes ZogG some lime flavoured paintthinner. |
| 16:54.00 | kerio | also, why isn't "y" working at the apt-get prompt? |
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| 17:14.00 | RST38h | Heh |
| 17:14.09 | RST38h | rcadden is some seriously pissed off kind of guy |
| 17:14.20 | RST38h | "Symbian-Guru shuts down, says Nokia is 'losing hard'" |
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| 17:19.43 | GAN900 | lol |
| 17:19.48 | GAN900 | He cracks me up |
| 17:26.07 | GAN900 | The Reg article on the MyNokia thing is surreal. |
| 17:26.18 | GAN900 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/01/nokia_n900_update/ |
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| 17:31.34 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: AKA commentators on crack. |
| 17:31.42 | GAN900 | Aye |
| 17:32.07 | GAN900 | Whatever happened to at least pretending objectivity in journalism |
| 17:32.18 | GAN900 | Even the newspapers are all editorials now. |
| 17:32.48 | ToJa92_ | anyone here knows if screen is available for N900? I can't find it... |
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| 17:35.42 | ToJa92_ | nevermind found it |
| 17:36.38 | mikki-kun | wtf?! why doesn't chmod change my mods for the file?! |
| 17:36.56 | timeless | is the file on a FAT volume? |
| 17:36.59 | RST38h | Objective journalism is boring and does not pay. |
| 17:37.11 | timeless | because FAT doesn't have the same permissions model, it's mostly ALL or NOTHING |
| 17:37.23 | kerio | i thought FAT had some permissions |
| 17:37.28 | kerio | that everyone implemented in his own way |
| 17:37.29 | timeless | READONLY |
| 17:37.34 | timeless | or WRITABLE |
| 17:37.37 | timeless | that's your choice |
| 17:37.45 | kerio | what about hidden and system? |
| 17:37.46 | kerio | :P |
| 17:37.48 | timeless | and it's global, either everyone can write to it, or no one can write to it |
| 17:37.53 | timeless | kerio: not expressed by chmod |
| 17:37.56 | mikki-kun | timeless: yeah, internal emmc of the n900 |
| 17:38.05 | mikki-kun | hm... man >.< |
| 17:38.50 | mikki-kun | hm, fun thing is i can't execute a sample script... |
| 17:39.06 | mikki-kun | would be just to test the kb lights of the n900 |
| 17:39.29 | timeless | sh ./script |
| 17:39.37 | luke-jr | timeless: IIRC there's some way to access hidden/system/archive in Linux... |
| 17:39.40 | luke-jr | maybe chattr |
| 17:39.54 | timeless | luke-jr: good to know |
| 17:40.00 | luke-jr | technically speaking, read-only should be exposed as the 'immutable' attribute too ;) |
| 17:40.00 | timeless | because it'd make other things i do easier |
| 17:40.05 | mikki-kun | i started it via /bin/bash script... |
| 17:40.23 | mikki-kun | funny though... busyboxes behaviour i suppose... |
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| 17:46.59 | mikki-kun | hm... anybody an idea how i can tell blessn900 i have gstreamer-plugins installed? |
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| 17:47.21 | SpeedEvil | Have you done the dance? |
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| 17:47.46 | kerio | you can dance if you want to |
| 17:47.50 | kerio | you can leave your friends behind |
| 17:48.01 | kerio | cuz your friends don't dance and if they don't dance they're no friends of mine |
| 17:48.39 | ZogG | kerio wtf man |
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| 17:51.43 | Mece | evenin' |
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| 17:53.47 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/symbian-guru-shuts-down-says-nokia-is-losing-hard/ omg |
| 17:54.54 | Mece | meh |
| 17:55.24 | wazd | drama |
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| 17:55.58 | qknight | i've just tried to compile qstardict for my n900. my own program compiles and runs on the n900. but compiling qstardict for maemo fr 1.2 results in this error: :: error: Packaging Error: Could not copy '/home/joachim/NokiaQtSDK/qstardict-build-maemo/qstardict' to '/home/joachim/NokiaQtSDK/qstardict-0.13.1/debian/qstardict//usr/local/bin/qstardict'. |
| 17:56.04 | qknight | any idea what i can do about it? |
| 17:56.07 | wazd | was it that guy, Ricky Kaden or something? |
| 17:56.37 | qknight | probably because /home/joachim/NokiaQtSDK/qstardict-build-maemo/qstardict <- does not exist at all |
| 17:56.40 | qknight | wrong target? |
| 17:56.41 | timeless | qknight: how much of that ... yeah |
| 17:57.24 | Mece | waxd, who? |
| 17:57.24 | Mece | is spin from the same peeps that made zen bound? |
| 17:57.51 | qknight | timeless: sorry, what did you mean? |
| 17:58.28 | timeless | i was going to write a question |
| 17:58.40 | timeless | but you discovered the error matching my question |
| 17:58.46 | qknight | i see |
| 17:58.56 | qknight | do you have any idea where to fix that? must be somewhere in the installation step |
| 17:58.59 | timeless | roughly, "cp" (copy) takes something from one extant place and puts it in another extant place |
| 17:59.05 | qknight | qstardict.pri |
| 17:59.20 | timeless | in this case, it tried to copy a file and put it 100ft past the edge of a cliff |
| 17:59.20 | SpeedEvil | -p |
| 17:59.23 | timeless | that doesn't work |
| 17:59.26 | timeless | so it errors :) |
| 17:59.38 | SpeedEvil | Though I don't know if busybox cp does that |
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| 18:01.47 | radiochickenwax | hello |
| 18:02.06 | pronto | how hard would it to make an app that would allow me to share via serivce to my own server via ftp or scp? |
| 18:02.24 | Mece | yeah it does |
| 18:02.27 | Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/79308/ does someone has any idea? |
| 18:02.31 | Corsac | (I'm on amd64 but still...) |
| 18:03.50 | wolf^ | Corsac, amd64 should run x86 code, provided there are x86 libraries in the system |
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| 18:04.42 | Corsac | ha, missing libc-i386, that's why |
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| 18:10.23 | DrGrov | Good evening everyone |
| 18:14.08 | Venemo | DrGrov: good evening for you, too |
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| 18:14.59 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it seems like having a really long sms history slows down the conversations program a lot - true? |
| 18:15.11 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | also, how much memory is your n900 taking right after a boot? |
| 18:15.34 | mikki-kun | mine was about 150 afair |
| 18:15.37 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: on your first question: I haven't experienced it, but it depends on what you consider "rally long" |
| 18:15.45 | Venemo | really long* |
| 18:16.02 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, sure its possible to overload things in this device as any other |
| 18:16.26 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: for your second question: do you mean RAM, or what? |
| 18:16.27 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well when should it be cleared? |
| 18:16.39 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I'd like to have the messages for reference, but i wouldn't like to slow it down as much |
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| 18:16.49 | alterego | Why the cock has tracker decided to index all of my icons >:( |
| 18:17.01 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | Venemo,yeah RAM - how much conky is showing |
| 18:17.24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | alterego, I too wish I could tone down tracker's desire to index |
| 18:17.26 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: if you notice slowness, clear it - although I doubt it would slow it down |
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| 18:18.07 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: afaik, Linux uses all the available RAM all the time - at least this is what I have been told for the same question |
| 18:18.43 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, how would software know which messages you want to keep? |
| 18:18.54 | lcuk | the n900 is good, but its not a mind reader |
| 18:18.59 | radiochickenwax | hello I need help making alsa work on n900. |
| 18:19.19 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | lcuk, i would save them all somewhere (like "archive" in gmail) and then have a clear message box |
| 18:19.53 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, which other phones have archive like you discuss? im not saying its impossible to achieve - for sure an app could be written to do as you suggest |
| 18:20.23 | lcuk | its actually a good idea and something desktop apps use to get over overflowing databases |
| 18:20.58 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I say you don't worry about it! |
| 18:21.35 | DrGrov | hi Venemo |
| 18:21.35 | lcuk | Venemo, some people end up with overflowing sms boxes and i can understand it would cause it to not run optimally |
| 18:21.46 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | im worried about it needing to use swap |
| 18:21.54 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | because when i check conky it shows 4% |
| 18:22.01 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | that means it had to use it at some point |
| 18:22.07 | lcuk | on my old phones in the past i think they have limits of a few hundred messages - my n900 has thousands :D |
| 18:22.14 | kerio | huh, how's it possible? people actually call with the n900? |
| 18:22.28 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, thats your problem then |
| 18:22.31 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but currently it is using 152megs of memory |
| 18:22.56 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | lcuk that I'm using swap? |
| 18:23.00 | luke-jr | Corsac: x86 libs basically means your OS doubles in size |
| 18:23.12 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, usage patterns vary and so what if you are in a bit of swap? |
| 18:23.28 | luke-jr | Corsac: this is one reason why you shouldn't tolerate proprietary software :) |
| 18:23.37 | luke-jr | Corsac: FWIW, Flasher 3.0 supported amd64 |
| 18:23.40 | lcuk | again, i'd rather have swp than run out of memory and have phone stop dead as normally happens on other models |
| 18:23.43 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well if I'm trying to optimize I guess finding out why I'm in swap would be the first order of business |
| 18:23.46 | luke-jr | but I can't legally share that with you thanks to Nokia et al |
| 18:23.48 | mikki-kun | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: after some time my swap is used around 100MB... don't worry about that |
| 18:23.52 | lcuk | yes ls |
| 18:24.35 | ZogG | is little bit drunk o/ |
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| 18:24.48 | mikki-kun | ZogG: what's drinkcounter saying? |
| 18:24.51 | mikki-kun | :D |
| 18:24.54 | kerio | you can reduce the swappiness i guess |
| 18:24.58 | kerio | but using the swap is *good* |
| 18:24.59 | ZogG | i'm not sure |
| 18:25.06 | kerio | it means the system has ram to use for the disk cache |
| 18:25.09 | lcuk | we need proper alcohol sensors on n900! |
| 18:25.12 | DrGrov | The best way is to clear Conversations each and every day. Nothing more. |
| 18:25.18 | mikki-kun | you haven't installed that app before starting to drink? :o |
| 18:25.22 | lcuk | i wonder if qtmobility will support reading breathilizers |
| 18:25.24 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: don't worry about swapping. |
| 18:25.24 | mikki-kun | how dare you? |
| 18:25.26 | kerio | instead of keeping it for unused programs |
| 18:25.36 | ZogG | it was the martini for desert and braeiger for the good life |
| 18:25.38 | lcuk | DrGrov, every day! |
| 18:25.44 | Mece | who is Cassolini again? |
| 18:25.45 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: the OS knows when it needs swap. It may use swap regardless of your messages |
| 18:26.01 | lcuk | DrGrov, i have conversations that go back to last year |
| 18:26.12 | pupnik | how abou adding fibre-optic torsional sensors so you can twist the device |
| 18:26.15 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I didn't think it was the messages, but possibly a lot of the apps Ive installed |
| 18:26.37 | lcuk | pupnik, that could only work if you move the accupuncture module |
| 18:26.54 | mikki-kun | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: btw, i used swap in the distant past and even though i had enough free ram it wrote some things to swap (was around 4KB) dunno why, maybe to have it occupied |
| 18:26.55 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, then you know what to do |
| 18:26.55 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | say more pupnik! |
| 18:27.05 | DrGrov | lcuk: yes, i clear it every day. |
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| 18:27.30 | kerio | if you really want the system to only use swap when really out of physical RAM, you can set the swappiness to 0' |
| 18:27.54 | kerio | but that's not advised |
| 18:27.55 | DrGrov | i will fill the root with just themes |
| 18:27.55 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | at least it isn't HDD swap |
| 18:27.56 | DrGrov | damn |
| 18:27.57 | kerio | using swap is good |
| 18:28.57 | DrGrov | any upcoming themes from testing repos? |
| 18:29.13 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, go investigating then |
| 18:29.14 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I'm using that lame ass matrix theme |
| 18:29.15 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | i like it |
| 18:29.35 | lcuk | run top or some other things and break down whats happening |
| 18:30.28 | Mece | carbon theme ftw. |
| 18:30.48 | Mece | is carbon even in testing? |
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| 18:31.19 | Venemo | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: you can always set swappinedd to a lower value - some people actually think that it improves battery life |
| 18:31.52 | mikki-kun | uhm, wtf?! busybox removed from cp the -v option?! |
| 18:31.59 | mikki-kun | that is so not cool -.- |
| 18:32.00 | kerio | busybox sucks |
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| 18:32.28 | mikki-kun | i mean, saving space is gorgeous, but at some point it just isn't the usual linux-experience any more |
| 18:32.55 | kerio | i thought -v was in posix |
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| 18:33.45 | lcuk | mikki-kun, is it possible it didnt remove it - it merely did not implement it |
| 18:33.46 | kerio | and how much space are you going to save eliminating -v from cp? |
| 18:34.56 | Venemo | kerio: what is -v doing anyways? |
| 18:35.04 | kerio | not sure |
| 18:35.14 | mikki-kun | verbose output |
| 18:35.23 | Venemo | mikki-kun: which means... what? |
| 18:35.24 | mikki-kun | you see what cp copies and where it is currently |
| 18:35.25 | kerio | -v Cause cp to be verbose, showing files as they are copied. |
| 18:35.35 | kerio | man cp from a bsd system |
| 18:37.36 | Venemo | kerio: ah, thanks, I didn't know |
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| 18:40.50 | radiochickenwax | I don't have a .asoundrc file by default on n900. Does anyone know more about this? |
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| 18:43.46 | Venemo | Is there any mapping app that can search the maps when in offline mode? |
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| 18:45.55 | lardman | evening chaps |
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| 18:46.31 | RST38h | yawns |
| 18:46.34 | Venemo | lardman: evening to you, too |
| 18:46.40 | lardman | hi Venemo |
| 18:46.54 | lardman | RST38h: I'm offended I have that affect on you :p |
| 18:47.02 | kerio | so... why did i buy a n900 with an italian keyboard again? :/ |
| 18:47.06 | lardman | s/affect/effect |
| 18:47.08 | lardman | doh! |
| 18:47.20 | BugBlue | because you put in dvorak mode and type blind anyway? |
| 18:47.26 | kerio | BugBlue: nope |
| 18:47.39 | kerio | and there's a dvorak mode for the n900? |
| 18:47.41 | kerio | :o |
| 18:47.44 | blizzow | my maemo email client is soooooo slow. |
| 18:47.57 | blizzow | This is the one reason I'd go back to a blackberry. |
| 18:48.06 | blizzow | It's email done right. |
| 18:48.27 | blizzow | Is there any way to improve performance on the Exchange and Gmail client? |
| 18:48.27 | lcuk | kerio, i dont think there is by default, but the keymat can be customised easily |
| 18:48.35 | kerio | i see |
| 18:48.43 | kerio | i really like having up and down as real keys |
| 18:49.20 | mortini | blizzow: yeah, modest blows as an email client if you ahve any mail in your inbox. and even beyond that. |
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| 18:50.31 | kerio | uses a webmail :/ |
| 18:51.12 | Venemo | keiro: you are better off with webmail, believe me |
| 18:51.32 | kerio | gmail? on microB? |
| 18:51.37 | blizzow | oooff. Webmail doesn't push. :( |
| 18:52.00 | kerio | blizzow: i have 50MB/day anyway |
| 18:52.21 | kerio | it has to *ask* me when it wants to use the mobile data |
| 18:53.32 | RST38h | moos at lardman trying to persuade that the yawn has been merely a coincidence |
| 18:54.27 | lardman | moos back in acceptance :) |
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| 18:55.53 | radiochickenwax | Does anyone out there use mplayer on n900? |
| 18:55.54 | kerio | wtf? there's no way to move an email? |
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| 18:56.40 | RST38h | wonders if N900 can be coerced into doing 3D |
| 18:57.00 | RST38h | Are there BT-controlled shutter glasses? =) |
| 18:57.06 | mortini | heh. |
| 18:57.18 | kerio | RST38h: just put a mirror behind it |
| 18:57.28 | kerio | shutter glasses work with IR |
| 19:00.10 | ShadowJK | radiochickenwax, I don't use it but I know a bit about it? |
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| 19:01.20 | Flyser | Hi, since a few weeks, the ICQ support of my n900 has been broken. It doesn't even connect. Is there a known fix for that? |
| 19:01.55 | radiochickenwax | ShadowJK, thanks. I was starting to think nobody could see what I was writing. |
| 19:02.26 | radiochickenwax | I can't make any sound from the n900 commandline. aplay, sox, or mplayer; none of them make any sound. |
| 19:02.55 | ShadowJK | Do you have silent profile or generic profile active? |
| 19:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | aplay? |
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| 19:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 19:04.26 | radiochickenwax | tried with both silent and generic |
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| 19:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | throws some random shit at PA general direction |
| 19:04.50 | flailingmonkey | what about if you plug in headphones |
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| 19:07.02 | kerio | how do i change the volume from within microB? |
| 19:07.28 | BugBlue | change the settings from zoom to volume? |
| 19:07.30 | RST38h | Flyser: You should downgrade pidgin stuff to 0.6.1 |
| 19:07.38 | lcuk | kerio, theres a configuration option to allow zooming or volume |
| 19:07.41 | SpeedEvil | kerio: An annoyance. The easiest way I've found is to use camkeyd to pop out to the desktop/task switcher, then do it there |
| 19:07.46 | radiochickenwax | ok. changing profile to general gives me sound from aplay. sorry. Still can't run mplayer at all though. Video works in easy-debian, but no sound. |
| 19:07.57 | lcuk | or just tap out of microb to do volume then back in |
| 19:08.00 | RST38h | Weird, no excitement about meego release... |
| 19:08.10 | lcuk | the amount of times i changed zoom until that feature arrived |
| 19:08.12 | Flyser | RST38h: How am I supposed to do that? sorry, but I never really used debian before |
| 19:08.17 | kerio | omg youtube is slow |
| 19:08.24 | ShadowJK | And what about MPlayer outside of easy-debian? |
| 19:08.56 | kerio | oh, it works fine in fullscreen |
| 19:09.04 | lcuk | kerio, depends on the vide and what else is happening around your device at the time |
| 19:09.10 | kerio | and the volume key actually works |
| 19:09.14 | lcuk | but i take youtube over 3g as win |
| 19:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | aplay .local/share/sounds/daf-der_mussolini.mp3.wav WFM - though... not really, need a stetoskope |
| 19:09.33 | kerio | der_mussolini.mp3? |
| 19:09.33 | radiochickenwax | mplayer outside of easy-debian says "crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM" |
| 19:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: custom ringtone cache |
| 19:10.36 | ShadowJK | :/ |
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| 19:13.08 | kaie | I got a weird experience with n900. In the middle of using, device vibrated and turned off. Couldn't turn it back on. After a while, I was able to turn it on when connected to charger. Even after a full night's charge, the n900 reported "nearly empty". I changed to a secondary battery. Now, after 2 days rest with that batter, it reports full. |
| 19:13.28 | kaie | that's the original battery that came with the n900. I originally suspected the battery died, but now I guess it's a software bug? |
| 19:14.19 | kerio | omg, robot unicorn attack works |
| 19:14.28 | kerio | crap, i have my final in less than a week |
| 19:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: no real crowd of devels on meego (possibly caused by general hostile mood to community in meEgo), so I'm not much interested in it. So - if others feel alike -there won't be devels in numbers on the next future, so no way to overcome the "we'll finish next release, then you - the devels - can jump the train" attitude any time soon |
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| 19:15.43 | RST38h | isn't hostile toward Meggo, why be hostile to it? |
| 19:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: maybe you reporting about charger used would help a lot - don't you think so? |
| 19:16.06 | lcuk | RST38h, what would make you excited? |
| 19:16.23 | RST38h | lcuk: An actual device running Meego and widely available |
| 19:17.07 | RST38h | BTW, anyone knows if Maemo5 Gtk+ generates events for double- and triple-clicks? |
| 19:17.24 | RST38h | is trying to finally fix FBReader's tap-to-turn |
| 19:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: lost in translation? I claimed meEgo has a hostile mood towards developers, not me having a hostile mood towards meego |
| 19:17.36 | RST38h | Doc: Ah! |
| 19:17.43 | RST38h | Doc: I do not see that either |
| 19:18.06 | lcuk | RST38h, how well does your stuff run on the x86 netbook or on the aava stuff |
| 19:18.13 | lcuk | (you are @ intel, cant you get yourself an aava |
| 19:18.16 | RST38h | lcuk: I have no aava hw |
| 19:18.24 | RST38h | lcuk: And no, I cannot |
| 19:18.26 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: What's weong with it? |
| 19:18.26 | flailingmonkey | The meego handset ux release is only "exciting" in that it allows more N900 hardware adaptation in the open |
| 19:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: maybe that's because you never tried to paricipate in real system development |
| 19:18.33 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, you propose I should file a bug against the charger component? |
| 19:18.37 | RST38h | lcuk: Netbooks run my stuff just fine |
| 19:18.45 | flailingmonkey | which should benefit harmattan on N900 |
| 19:18.47 | lcuk | cool |
| 19:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: did I??? |
| 19:18.55 | RST38h | lcuk: Although I have no idea why anyone would 1) buy a netbook and 2) run Meego on it |
| 19:19.09 | RST38h | Doc: I didn't? =) |
| 19:19.12 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, I didn't understand your proposal, and that was my guess. I'd appreciate if you could clarify your proposal. |
| 19:19.17 | lcuk | has anyone tried building the meego apps for fremantle? |
| 19:19.20 | kerio | netbooks are the only way you can play nethack on the go |
| 19:19.40 | RST38h | kerio: I can play nethack on N900 |
| 19:19.44 | RST38h | and yes, it is in Extras |
| 19:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | my proposal was you mention the exact type and build of charger you used |
| 19:19.50 | kerio | ...no you can't |
| 19:19.55 | kerio | you need two hands and a fullsize keyboard |
| 19:20.01 | flailingmonkey | kaie: it matters which type of charger you used |
| 19:20.03 | RST38h | not really |
| 19:20.04 | kerio | otherwise it's just not worth it :( |
| 19:20.18 | kerio | RST38h: (testing or devel?) |
| 19:20.27 | RST38h | kerio: I forgot |
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| 19:20.36 | flailingmonkey | there is one in extras |
| 19:20.46 | kerio | that's vulture's eye |
| 19:20.53 | kerio | aw, it's probably in devel |
| 19:20.58 | kerio | if it's not vulture, i mean |
| 19:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: doesn't help - probably has been an offense to ask that |
| 19:22.06 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, flailingmonkey I see, thanks for clarifying. I used the adapter that came with the device. It was either original Nokia AC-3E or original Nokia AC-4E, I don't know which one it was |
| 19:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's exact enough |
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| 19:22.44 | flailingmonkey | speaking of charging... :P |
| 19:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: did it have the moving bat icon indicating it's charging? |
| 19:22.51 | kaie | yes |
| 19:23.14 | kerio | :( i don't have a 80x24 terminal |
| 19:23.16 | kaie | I've charged using those older charges multiple times before |
| 19:23.18 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: what are your goals for first/next stage of jrbme? |
| 19:23.46 | kaie | I use the AC-10E that came with the device at my work desk, and the older ones in the bedroom for overnight charging |
| 19:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: you had some special software running? like wifihotspot, joghurtsport mencoder or something |
| 19:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 19:24.25 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, no, don't use any of those. witter, FeedingIt, browser, email |
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| 19:24.52 | kerio | hmm |
| 19:24.58 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, when it happened, I tried to click on the amazon-installer icon for the first time, it started installing, then it turned off |
| 19:24.58 | kerio | is there a way to have a fullscreen terminal with x terminal? |
| 19:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | feedingit I don't know. Were you connected via 3G? |
| 19:25.15 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, wifi at home. feedingit is a RSS feed reader |
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| 19:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: you made sure it's not accidentally using your 3G all the time? |
| 19:25.49 | kaie | but yes, I was using a SIM and the sime was booked in to wifi |
| 19:26.03 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, yes I'm sure, because my device is configured to ask me which connection I want |
| 19:26.39 | kaie | err, I meant, yes, the sim was connected to the 3g network (but not online via 3g, was online via wifi) |
| 19:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | ok, then I'm actually out of easy options - I suggest you try charging via PC-USB |
| 19:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | and see if that works better. If yes, then probably your charger is broken |
| 19:27.22 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, the battery is now full again. the mysterious is that the battery recovered from "being empty" to "being charged" without charging, after 2 days idle period |
| 19:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | withhout charging?? o.O |
| 19:27.50 | kaie | I've charged with AC-10E now, to make sure it's full. I will have a look. I can report if it happens again. |
| 19:27.54 | kaie | right |
| 19:28.08 | kerio | hmm, i need a bigger screen to play nethack |
| 19:28.09 | kerio | really |
| 19:28.11 | RST38h | So, gentlemen, double-click and triple-click in Maemo5 GTK+? Anyone knows if these are implemented? |
| 19:28.11 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, should I stay away from that battery? :) maybe it's really broken |
| 19:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | now bme (the pile of shit sw estimating battery capacity) is doing weird things, but *that*... |
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| 19:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | you said you got a spare battery? |
| 19:29.21 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, I've even running that battery meter application. (BatteryGraph). It dropped to competely zero 2 days ago. And even while charging the capacity remained at zero |
| 19:29.30 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, yes, I was using the spare battery during the previous 2 days |
| 19:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: bat meter and bat eye are notorious to eat up batery power by issueing display refresh IRQ at a rate of 60/s |
| 19:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 19:31.00 | ShadowJK | though you don't run the UI usually |
| 19:31.04 | kaie | that might explain why it drains quicker, but should not explain that behavior |
| 19:31.23 | ShadowJK | the daemon sits waiting for dbus messages from bme |
| 19:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: there's a known problem of N900 frequently needs a second plugging round for charger to be detected |
| 19:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: have an eye on that |
| 19:31.48 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, ok thanks, I'll make sure I'll always verify it's really charging |
| 19:32.21 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, question: If the n900 notices the charge is getting low, shouldn't it notify me? I didn't get any notifications whatsoever |
| 19:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: also you should install mem cpu load applet, and watch for excessive cpu load. And you should close browser windows in time, esp when there's any plugins, namely flash |
| 19:33.09 | kaie | yes, I do all of that |
| 19:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | (notification) yes, that's the tale |
| 19:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not rely on that |
| 19:34.22 | SpeedEvil | kaie: It bings |
| 19:34.26 | SpeedEvil | kaie: At least for me |
| 19:34.37 | kaie | I probably was in silent mode. No visual feedback? |
| 19:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | also this notifier comes up once at best, then ever after it will happily drain your bat until shutdown |
| 19:34.48 | kaie | ok |
| 19:34.53 | kaie | then I might have missed it |
| 19:35.09 | ShadowJK | sometimes for me it comes up every 5 secs |
| 19:35.33 | kaie | but really, I really think I would have noticed that the indicator showed low level. I really believe it was actively charging when it dropped out. |
| 19:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I heard different reports. I myself never seen it at all, but then I also never had that problem |
| 19:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | ..of *low* charge. I just get *no* charge 1 out of 2 |
| 19:36.13 | kaie | should Nokia AC-3E work fine, even if it's a lower power charger? |
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| 19:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: when the charger current is less than what device consumes, then you discharge battery over time, and you get bat charging indicator, and a onetime notifier "warning, charge current low" OWTTE |
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| 19:37.49 | kaie | that's true, maybe that's what happened |
| 19:38.21 | kaie | is there some way to see drain ? I should look for a /proc/acpi/battery |
| 19:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 |
| 19:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | er AC-3E |
| 19:38.36 | SpeedEvil | kaie: not directly with the stock firmware - no |
| 19:38.38 | kerio | robot unicorn attack is too slow :( |
| 19:38.44 | SpeedEvil | kaie: Do you know what elf is? |
| 19:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | AC-10E here |
| 19:38.56 | kaie | SpeedEvil, you mean the binary object format? |
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| 19:39.25 | kerio | no, the monster manual entry |
| 19:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ??? |
| 19:39.57 | Pavlov | is there a vmlinux image handy for oprofile on the n900 anywhere? |
| 19:40.00 | SpeedEvil | kaie: http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz - is a simple script from ShadowJK that polls the charge meter chip |
| 19:40.01 | kerio | 1d8 HD, 15 AC |
| 19:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | bq27200.sh is the cookie for kaie |
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| 19:40.29 | SpeedEvil | kaie: It is not fully baked, but it works well - especially run from ssh. |
| 19:40.53 | kaie | SpeedEvil, great thanks, will try it |
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| 19:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | try -r |
| 19:41.04 | SpeedEvil | It gives - the 'mA' column - with -r option - battery discharge rates every 5s |
| 19:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | maybe -r 30 |
| 19:41.35 | SpeedEvil | Practically, I've seen surprisingly little difference wiht lower poll rates |
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| 19:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | but it's simply annoying |
| 19:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest -r 300 |
| 19:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | ther's just so much that can change on battery state in 5 min |
| 19:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: is i2ctools included in that tgz now? |
| 19:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes |
| 19:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 19:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 19:43.46 | kaie | DocScrutinizer, wonderful thanks. |
| 19:44.15 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:44.53 | kaie | ok, I'll uses these scripts to see what's happening when I run into the same state again |
| 19:46.00 | ShadowJK | no -r |
| 19:46.02 | ShadowJK | just a number |
| 19:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: as I always get confused with sign of mA current: there's TTF and TTE, that's time to full/empty, and if it's charging, the TTE shows a bogus number, on discharge TTF does |
| 19:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: aah |
| 19:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 19:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | kaie: you should 'install' and use it before you run in trouble again, so you got it ready and are familiar with it |
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| 19:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | I even had it autostarted on boot and redirected output to a logfile in ~user/ |
| 19:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | comes in handy when you want to know what happened the *last* 30h |
| 19:49.40 | kaie | what way do you propose to install? /etc/init.d script? divert to logfile? |
| 19:49.46 | kaie | ok |
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| 19:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | 'install' = tar -xf ; autostart I did via xsessions's autostart drawer iirc |
| 19:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | there's also tracker and whatnot in it - looks like a natural place for such things |
| 19:51.40 | paroneayea | what file is the contacts and etc kept in on the n900? |
| 19:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yes |
| 19:51.56 | paroneayea | it looks like mine may need to be exchanged, I'm hoping to back it up |
| 19:52.03 | paroneayea | is it in the user's home directory? |
| 19:52.03 | kaie | while we're at it, here's my story about the spare battery. it was labeled as "original nokia", but bought on amazon. While it looks original, I guess it isn't. With that battery, I get the following behavior: "n900 shows battery completely full for all day, then it suddenly drops to nearly empty". that behavior is an additional mechanism for me to distinguish the came-with-device-battery and fake-original-bought-on-amazon |
| 19:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | backup app does that for you |
| 19:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | paroneayea: ^^^ |
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| 19:52.35 | b-man | this is extremely awesome: http://talk.maemo.org/showtherad.php?p=737714&postcount=1944 - if this works there may no longer be a need for R&D mode to keep the watchdogs hardware happy :)))))))))))) |
| 19:52.40 | flailingmonkey | paroneayea: use backup app, as they are stored in a db |
| 19:52.56 | b-man | *hardware watchdogs |
| 19:52.56 | paroneayea | DocScrutinizer: flailingmonkey: ok... |
| 19:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | b-man: what's unhappy with watchdogs?? |
| 19:53.17 | kaie | b-man, your link has a typo, => showthread |
| 19:53.38 | MohammadAG51 | /home/user/.osso-abook |
| 19:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yeah, but nobody wants do mess with that :-P |
| 19:54.06 | b-man | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=737714&postcount=1944 |
| 19:54.11 | b-man | (sorry) |
| 19:54.33 | flailingmonkey | kaie: what was price difference from that amazon one and direct from nokia |
| 19:54.34 | ShadowJK | kaie, sounds like signature fake-battery behaviour :) |
| 19:54.36 | b-man | DocScrutinizer: with that fixed i hay have a chance at ubuntu-n9x0 |
| 19:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: do a good deed and check what's that watchdog nonsense -your nerves are young :-D |
| 19:54.42 | b-man | *may |
| 19:54.51 | kaie | flailingmonkey, 20 euro |
| 19:55.03 | kaie | which clearly explains I should have expected a fake |
| 19:55.28 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, hmm, I just shot it in the head, my device doesn't reboot now :) |
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| 19:55.43 | b-man | lol |
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| 19:56.17 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: its about having twl4030 module reset watchdogs on module load |
| 19:56.29 | flailingmonkey | for nitdroid |
| 19:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 19:56.47 | MohammadAG51 | flailingmonkey, he knows what a watchdog is |
| 19:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | probably the most useless effort in sw development I ever heard of |
| 19:57.15 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer isn't a n00b |
| 19:57.19 | MohammadAG51 | he's a power user |
| 19:57.21 | MohammadAG51 | hides |
| 19:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | damn there are really nice cheap android phones |
| 19:57.50 | MohammadAG51 | nah seriously, he's an engineer who argues about software too |
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| 19:58.26 | flailingmonkey | he just didn't want to load tmo :P |
| 19:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 19:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | my nerves... |
| 19:58.52 | MohammadAG51 | who _wants_ to load tmo? |
| 19:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | the word nitdroid was just about enough for them |
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| 20:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | blasphemy to run android on a maemo device :-S |
| 20:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly that's no rocket science to never start the watchdogs |
| 20:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | or feed them correctly |
| 20:03.01 | mortini | nomnomnom |
| 20:03.49 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, kill it |
| 20:03.53 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: you missed my earlier question, or I missed your response |
| 20:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | come here lil puppy, get me the slippers! - Arfarf arf - ourchh -SICK |
| 20:04.12 | flailingmonkey | they don't want to use R&D apparently |
| 20:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | I don't talk about R&D |
| 20:05.02 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, more like come here lil pupply, arf arf *gun fire* |
| 20:06.38 | jacekowski | tomorrow is THE day |
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| 20:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | *(Here Fido, Fido, mpt, mpt, mpt, come here little puppy |
| 20:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | Bring the slippers |
| 20:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | Arf, arf, arf |
| 20:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | (C-R-A-S-H) |
| 20:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | Huhm, HAH, HAH, HAH...hmhmhm)* |
| 20:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | STINK! |
| 20:07.01 | flailingmonkey | indeed. my question was what are your goals for the first/next step of jrbme |
| 20:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | *(Well then Fido got up off the floor, and he rolled over |
| 20:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | and he looked me straight in the eye |
| 20:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | And you know what he said? |
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| 20:08.21 | ENTERANICK | [W2I=000:u:0:000:] |
| 20:08.41 | MohammadAG51 | that ^? |
| 20:08.50 | ENTERANICK | ??? |
| 20:09.15 | MohammadAG51 | nvm |
| 20:09.42 | ENTERANICK | can i speak my language? :) |
| 20:09.56 | jacekowski | if it's english |
| 20:09.58 | jacekowski | then yes |
| 20:09.58 | ENTERANICK | or eng only? |
| 20:10.16 | nitnatsnok | huh lol |
| 20:10.16 | kerio | yay, i successfully remapped the keyboard |
| 20:10.25 | nitnatsnok | no it's russian :) |
| 20:10.39 | kerio | although now i don't have a "Ã " key anymore :( |
| 20:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: he said "the crux of the bisquit is the apostrophe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FBQ1O5F8k |
| 20:12.04 | nitnatsnok | what is maemo? |
| 20:12.28 | MohammadAG51 | nothing you need to know about if you don't already it |
| 20:12.44 | nitnatsnok | :( |
| 20:12.46 | kerio | MohammadAG51: i accidentally the whole maemo |
| 20:13.05 | kerio | nitnatsnok: it's the linux distribution that handles nokia tablets |
| 20:13.18 | nitnatsnok | i use iPhone and i'm happy |
| 20:13.30 | kerio | good for you |
| 20:13.35 | nitnatsnok | also i think to by device with maemo or android |
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| 20:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | fine for you - but wrong channel |
| 20:13.39 | MohammadAG51 | don't buy an N900 then |
| 20:13.55 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 20:14.01 | nitnatsnok | why? |
| 20:14.04 | MohammadAG51 | if you're an iPhone user i'd say android |
| 20:14.26 | kerio | nitnatsnok: i'm reading the freedesktop documentation to remap some keys in the keyboard |
| 20:14.32 | kerio | and i bought this thing *yesterday* |
| 20:14.35 | nitnatsnok | hmm |
| 20:14.44 | kerio | it's a phone for nerds |
| 20:14.52 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, check wiki.maemo.org |
| 20:14.56 | kerio | MohammadAG51: i know |
| 20:15.01 | kerio | it's somewhat working now |
| 20:15.08 | kerio | but i'm not exactly happy with the result |
| 20:15.09 | nitnatsnok | nice :) |
| 20:15.30 | kerio | i mean, for ò and à i need to fn+key to get the dead accent and then push the letter |
| 20:15.53 | nitnatsnok | can you advice me a best device with android on this moment? |
| 20:15.54 | MohammadAG51 | change your language |
| 20:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: now THAT'S the way to go for kbd mapping |
| 20:16.12 | kerio | MohammadAG51: i'm italian, it's not my fault :( |
| 20:16.21 | MohammadAG51 | nitnatsnok, i'd say a Nexus One, or a Droid X |
| 20:16.33 | MohammadAG51 | never had any of those |
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| 20:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: 7min ban! :-P |
| 20:16.51 | kerio | i guess i could merge two keys here |
| 20:16.51 | nitnatsnok | uf... |
| 20:16.56 | MohammadAG51 | or an HTC desire. how about #android if it's there |
| 20:17.01 | kerio | gaah i don't know |
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| 20:17.12 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I dare you |
| 20:17.30 | nitnatsnok | I have never seen these in Russia... |
| 20:17.32 | MohammadAG51 | kerio, it is, change nationality |
| 20:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: that's not a sentence my english teacher tought me |
| 20:17.42 | kerio | heh |
| 20:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: kerio 's way is *much* smarter |
| 20:18.28 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ever heard of sarcasm? :P |
| 20:18.37 | kerio | is there another italian here? |
| 20:18.57 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, and it's taught, not tought, fire your english teacher |
| 20:19.09 | MohammadAG51 | :p |
| 20:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | I guess he's been fired already, when he got fire funeral |
| 20:20.14 | kerio | are pgup/pgdwn/home/end that useful? |
| 20:20.19 | kerio | because i could remap the accents there |
| 20:20.37 | MohammadAG51 | terminal? |
| 20:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, depends |
| 20:20.58 | kerio | or i could lose the capitalised à |
| 20:21.03 | kerio | and that'd get me another key |
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| 20:21.56 | kerio | what do i use more, i wonder |
| 20:21.58 | kerio | ò or à ? |
| 20:22.04 | kerio | i need a frequency table |
| 20:22.11 | smackpotato | can someone tell me the advantages of ramzez or compcash |
| 20:22.19 | smackpotato | e |
| 20:22.23 | MohammadAG51 | what |
| 20:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
| 20:22.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i know |
| 20:22.32 | kerio | i already remapped it |
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| 20:22.39 | kerio | but i'm not completely happy with the results |
| 20:22.46 | smackpotato | its a swap file in ram |
| 20:22.50 | MohammadAG51 | ~keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
| 20:22.51 | infobot | MohammadAG51: okay |
| 20:23.02 | kerio | where is keyremap? |
| 20:23.07 | kerio | hm |
| 20:23.10 | kerio | ~where is keyremap? |
| 20:23.11 | infobot | rumour has it, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
| 20:23.15 | kerio | nice |
| 20:23.16 | MohammadAG51 | err, i just defined it for infobot |
| 20:23.21 | kerio | i know |
| 20:23.22 | smackpotato | doesnt linux swap page to ram untill ram is full |
| 20:23.23 | kerio | i was trying it |
| 20:23.24 | MohammadAG51 | oh |
| 20:23.31 | MohammadAG51 | ~keyremap |
| 20:23.32 | infobot | i guess keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
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| 20:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | and especially http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard#Example_for_keyboard_with_only_two_arrow_keys |
| 20:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | smackpotato: I guess the hack there is compression |
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| 20:27.03 | kerio | ok, now i have a single combination for the grave-accented letters |
| 20:27.25 | smackpotato | i should read first |
| 20:27.46 | smackpotato | it compresse befor swaping to ram |
| 20:27.47 | kerio | do you guys think this is worth writing in the wiki? |
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| 20:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: if it's something new, then it's always appreciated if clearly documented and correct |
| 20:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: virtually everybody prefers c&p to editing keymaps on his own |
| 20:31.54 | kerio | yeah |
| 20:31.56 | kerio | i would've liked it too |
| 20:31.57 | kerio | :) |
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| 20:39.36 | b-man | this is odd - application manager is complaining that i have no more space for installing applications yet i have 77.3mb on / and 362.0mb on /opt :P |
| 20:40.08 | b-man | have any of you had this problem? |
| 20:40.40 | lcuk | b-man, well technically what are you trying to install |
| 20:40.54 | b-man | autocomplete editor |
| 20:42.14 | MohammadAG51 | b-man, use apt-get you noob |
| 20:42.31 | MohammadAG51 | b-man, i've seen it on tmo though, what do the logs say? |
| 20:42.35 | b-man | i do - but i'm being lazy atm xD |
| 20:42.42 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, that option has a RED LIGHT i repeat a RED LIGHT. heis not 1337 enough |
| 20:42.44 | MohammadAG51 | use fapman |
| 20:42.46 | b-man | 1 sec |
| 20:42.59 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, he has 3 lights, does it matter? |
| 20:43.47 | lcuk | b-man, in all seriousness, just try in console because i wanna know how much space apt thinks it needs |
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| 20:45.53 | b-man | apt-worker is saying i don't have enough freespace in /home, but i still have 22GB free on my Emmc |
| 20:46.05 | MohammadAG51 | permissions issue? |
| 20:46.16 | b-man | checks |
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| 20:47.58 | b-man | /home/.apt-archive-cache/ has root permissions |
| 20:48.12 | kerio | alrightl done |
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| 20:49.23 | MohammadAG51 | b-man, chown it to user:users? |
| 20:49.33 | Nadley | hi |
| 20:49.59 | b-man | MohammadAG51: that's what i'm trying - 1 secv |
| 20:50.37 | MohammadAG51 | wants a microb plugin which reroutes FLVs to the mediaplayer |
| 20:51.22 | kerio | the mediaplayer reads .flvs? |
| 20:51.23 | kerio | :o |
| 20:51.59 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 20:53.23 | b-man | MohammadAG5: didn't make any difference |
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| 20:53.49 | b-man | apt-get works fine though |
| 20:54.14 | b-man | stabs apt-worker |
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| 20:55.36 | mortini | but it has super cow powers! |
| 20:55.43 | b-man | :D |
| 20:56.06 | b-man | ~moo |
| 20:56.07 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 20:56.12 | mortini | apt-get moo! |
| 20:56.14 | Nadley | kerio: since I flash my device I can find bounce to install it in the default catalog |
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| 20:56.25 | mortini | well, without the! |
| 20:56.39 | b-man | mortini: i know lol |
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| 20:57.04 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 20:57.11 | b-man | >.> |
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| 20:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | apt: moo |
| 20:57.23 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 20:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | apt: moo |
| 20:57.23 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 20:57.35 | b-man | lol |
| 20:57.39 | kerio | Nadley: it's in the ovi store i think |
| 20:58.08 | Nadley | kerio of course you're right I totaly forgot :s |
| 20:58.10 | Nadley | thanks |
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| 20:58.20 | *** kick/#maemo [apt!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
| 20:58.23 | kerio | yay, i'm helpful |
| 20:58.32 | flailingmonkey | lmao |
| 20:58.35 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 20:58.41 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 20:58.46 | vldcnst | aww, you kicked the sexy one. |
| 20:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: * b-man stabs apt-worker <mortini> but it has super cow powers! <b-man> ~moo <mortini> apt-get moo! |
| 21:00.31 | b-man | apt-worker doesn't have super cow powers ;D |
| 21:01.12 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, so why did you kick it |
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| 21:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: Tim configured ibot for nick infobot on #maemo. having 2 instances of ibot concurrently on same chan is begging for chaos |
| 21:03.07 | mortini | heh. |
| 21:03.21 | mortini | it's amusing to have bots talk to each other, but after awhile it gets really annoying |
| 21:03.43 | lcuk | ahh makes sense DocScrutinizer |
| 21:03.52 | mortini | had 2 rbots that'd talk to each other and fill up their markov chains with babble |
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| 21:04.28 | b-man | ohhhh!!!! i think i nailed the problem with apt-worker - the actual /home directory is user:users ;P |
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| 21:04.41 | Nadley | is there a widget to have information about battery ? |
| 21:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | but it's also eating quite a bit of battery while enabled X-P |
| 21:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | called battery eye and/or battery graph |
| 21:06.22 | Nadley | ok and how can I have information about my battery without them |
| 21:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | and there's [2010-07-01 21:40:00] <SpeedEvil> kaie: http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz - is a simple script from ShadowJK that polls the charge meter chip |
| 21:06.46 | ShadowJK | It's not a widget |
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| 21:06.50 | b-man | ggrraahh!! didn't work xP |
| 21:06.59 | ShadowJK | And atleast battery-eye eats less power than my script ;p |
| 21:07.04 | ShadowJK | (with the battery-eye UI closed) |
| 21:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: obviously, but you could use queen beecon |
| 21:07.19 | Nadley | ok I'll try all those things |
| 21:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: what exactly do you need to know about battery? |
| 21:08.32 | Nadley | approx the % charge and why not the estimated time remaining |
| 21:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: see, you could also use queen beecon with a cmdline like "lshal|grep percent" |
| 21:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | ""why not the estimated time remaining"" seems impossuble to answer by any software fitting on a N900 |
| 21:10.03 | Nadley | yes I found this cmdline but I can't find the pipe on the keyboard |
| 21:10.16 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: only if it has to be right :P |
| 21:10.24 | kerio | fn+ctrl to open up the symbols virtual keyboard |
| 21:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | you should build a better bigger cmputer to find the question for this answer |
| 21:10.57 | kerio | btw, i think that other widget is better for this |
| 21:11.03 | kerio | the one that shows the result of a command |
| 21:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | there's queen beecon and desktop cmd line execution widget (or similar) |
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| 21:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | both do almost same afaik |
| 21:12.18 | Nadley | kerio: thanks |
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| 21:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | I never tried queen |
| 21:12.43 | kerio | queen beacon has colors |
| 21:12.49 | SpeedEvil | And hexagons |
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| 21:12.52 | kerio | for stuff that returns a specific exit code |
| 21:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 21:13.00 | kerio | heh |
| 21:13.03 | kerio | TEXT FTW |
| 21:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm ok |
| 21:13.26 | crashanddie | queen bacon is yummy |
| 21:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | ansii esc would be nice |
| 21:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | AD 0xC0FFE, DEADBEEF |
| 21:16.08 | Nadley | really like the n900 but he have to learn how to use it :d |
| 21:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: that actually takes a while |
| 21:16.40 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: DECEA5ED? |
| 21:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | like it does with any powerful complex tool |
| 21:17.20 | Nadley | I know DocScrutinizer |
| 21:17.23 | kerio | meh, it's easy |
| 21:18.11 | flailingmonkey | remember to try out the multi-phasic scanner array |
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| 21:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I still fail on holding the device - while typing - in a way it doesn't bork the wonky 3G |
| 21:19.11 | crashanddie | ad0be befe11 0dd abba EA5E b100ded f100d |
| 21:19.29 | kerio | move to a place where's there's actual coverage |
| 21:19.40 | kerio | hmm, best site to check my connection speed? |
| 21:19.46 | crashanddie | kerio: yes, you are awesome. now go sell that ego on ebay and move on. |
| 21:20.13 | kerio | crashanddie: i think it's against ebay policies |
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| 21:21.44 | crashanddie | true, harmful substances are banned |
| 21:22.12 | b-man | hmm, my netbeans-6.0 maemo port generates a /home/user/.netbeans config cache directory of over 10mb :S |
| 21:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: maybe http://s2.testmy.net/tools/test/u_load.php?ni=1&tt=1&s=97&st=st&ta=&top=&align=center& |
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| 21:36.27 | Nadley | kerio: what apps are the most usefull for n900 I know it depends of each user but there is more use than other |
| 21:36.39 | kerio | Nadley: i got this yesterday |
| 21:37.08 | Nadley | kerio: you got what |
| 21:37.14 | kerio | my n900 |
| 21:37.23 | Nadley | oh like me :d |
| 21:37.30 | kerio | i think you're better off asking someone who's been using it for more than a day |
| 21:37.55 | Nadley | ok but you as new user what do you use |
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| 21:38.36 | kerio | install adblock plus (not from application manager, there's a guide somewhere with a version that works) |
| 21:38.41 | kerio | then... extended chat protocols |
| 21:38.49 | kerio | then... dunno |
| 21:38.57 | kerio | just look at the list on application manager |
| 21:39.09 | Nadley | dunno ? |
| 21:39.19 | kerio | don't know |
| 21:39.42 | Nadley | ok |
| 21:40.08 | Nadley | you tried pidgin ? |
| 21:40.28 | kerio | so far the builtin one is working fine |
| 21:40.46 | Nadley | ok |
| 21:41.03 | kerio | download the contact merger |
| 21:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | tweakr, sketch, notes, evince, alarmed, anglemeter, fahrplan, foreca, HP calculator, htop, irreco, location test, midnight commander, mirror, numpty physics, petrovich, recorder, tuner, wifiInfo, xchat |
| 21:41.08 | kerio | otherwise it's a pain |
| 21:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: ^^^ |
| 21:41.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i have qtirreco, is the gtk version better? |
| 21:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 21:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | probably they are quite identical |
| 21:41.50 | Nadley | DocScrutinizer which the best between cmdline widget and beacon ? |
| 21:41.53 | SpeedEvil | Nadley: gcc, rsync, ssh |
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| 21:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: dunno, never used queenbee |
| 21:42.38 | Nadley | ok |
| 21:42.43 | SpeedEvil | More seriously - cuteexplorer |
| 21:42.53 | Nadley | tweakr is for what ? |
| 21:43.10 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's for tweaking lots of stuff, plus profiles |
| 21:43.18 | SpeedEvil | proposes the death penalty for anyone pointlessly using random 'q's in places they wouldn't normally go, or cute, or qt in package names. |
| 21:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | or i*, or liq |
| 21:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | ot touch!!! |
| 21:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | or* |
| 21:45.28 | tybollt | SpeedEvil++ |
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| 21:46.23 | kerio | SpeedEvil: can cutexplorer actually *do* something? |
| 21:47.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:47.56 | SpeedEvil | explore the fs, delete/move files, and play media files on click |
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| 21:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: BT? |
| 21:48.54 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 21:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | bt-obex? |
| 21:49.02 | SpeedEvil | oh - no - I don't think that |
| 21:49.12 | SpeedEvil | I've not got another bt-obex capable device. |
| 21:49.29 | SpeedEvil | (well - I think technically, I could beat my laptop into doing it - but meh.) |
| 21:49.44 | SpeedEvil | (or indeed my neo1973) |
| 21:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | cuteExplorer: "... Send files via bluetooth" |
| 21:51.03 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 21:51.09 | SpeedEvil | I've never seen that |
| 21:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | (from HAM descr) |
| 21:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | well, now it's intalled |
| 21:53.57 | kerio | you can |
| 21:54.00 | kerio | "send file" |
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| 21:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: Load Applet(!! mandatory); simple brightness applet, torch |
| 21:57.11 | Nadley | DocScrutinizer load applet ? what is his purpose ? I install the apps to categorise the menu but I don't know how to configure it you know it |
| 21:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | its useless - you can not config |
| 21:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | loadapplet makes you aware of hidden cpu hogs |
| 21:59.36 | Nadley | ok |
| 21:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | flashlight |
| 22:00.21 | Nadley | yes I have it |
| 22:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | radio |
| 22:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | recaller, recorder |
| 22:02.39 | Nadley | DocScrutinizer so there is no way to organise the apps menu because it is a very big mess |
| 22:03.08 | lcuk_afk | Nadley, |
| 22:03.14 | lcuk_afk | longtap on an icon |
| 22:03.19 | lcuk_afk | the editor will open |
| 22:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | there are projects and efforts. Heard somebody is about to write a config manager for catorize |
| 22:03.25 | lcuk_afk | you can rearrange all you want |
| 22:03.32 | Nadley | ok |
| 22:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | damn, recaller 6.8MB :-o |
| 22:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk_afk: that's nice for tossing around icons, but doesn't give folders/categories |
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| 22:06.42 | lcuk_afk | DocScrutinizer, before there was nothing, now there is something. it might not be to everyones taste, but it works :P |
| 22:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | damn, what's the name of FM-radio? |
| 22:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | app |
| 22:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | pkg |
| 22:10.02 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: cellular modem control buttons |
| 22:10.29 | Nadley | to do what |
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| 22:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | switch off GSM while WLAN still active |
| 22:11.13 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 22:11.22 | MohammadAG | why are the LEDs not restricted in Ubuntu? |
| 22:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | uh? |
| 22:11.39 | Nadley | there is not applet for that ? |
| 22:11.40 | MohammadAG | I can get it to display a much brighter LED when echoing the standard 250 |
| 22:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there's also such a thing like current |
| 22:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: alas we don't really know what's the specs of the indicator RGB-LED |
| 22:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: btw 'standard' is 255 maybe |
| 22:13.12 | MohammadAG | root@Nokia-N900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator# echo 150 > brightness <-- LOL this didn't go well |
| 22:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 22:13.33 | MohammadAG | it sounded wrong |
| 22:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 22:14.14 | MohammadAG | should've done it when the vibra was broken |
| 22:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | PLEASE could anybody tell me exact name of FM-receiver app? I fear my firmware is for a region with legal issues -> can't find FM-radio |
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| 22:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeah, you should listen to me more often |
| 22:16.57 | _0x471 | DocScrutinizer, do you mean in the app manager? or from apt-get? |
| 22:16.57 | SpeedEvil | 'fmradio |
| 22:17.02 | _0x471 | well, yeah |
| 22:17.04 | _0x471 | :P |
| 22:17.14 | SpeedEvil | ii fmradio 2010.03.20 Turn the N900 into a FM radio |
| 22:17.18 | SpeedEvil | says dpkg -l |
| 22:17.45 | SpeedEvil | Also - I don't think any regions have an issue with the reciever. |
| 22:17.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not part of maemo |
| 22:17.58 | SpeedEvil | I could be wrong of course. |
| 22:18.02 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:18.04 | SpeedEvil | It's happened before. |
| 22:18.08 | MohammadAG | installed hal-addon-bme |
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| 22:18.10 | SpeedEvil | 1984 I think it was. |
| 22:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | no fmradio :-/ |
| 22:18.14 | MohammadAG | hald-addon-bme* |
| 22:18.22 | MohammadAG | it reports the battery as 0 on ubuntu |
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| 22:19.11 | SpeedEvil | bme is the actual part that reads the battery I think |
| 22:19.17 | _0x471 | DocScrutinizer: get it here http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ |
| 22:19.20 | b-man | yup |
| 22:19.21 | SpeedEvil | when you kill bme - the battery indicator goes red |
| 22:19.29 | _0x471 | wget it |
| 22:19.31 | _0x471 | nn |
| 22:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: huh? |
| 22:20.10 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so I need bme installed? |
| 22:20.16 | b-man | yes |
| 22:20.19 | MohammadAG | it's not a dependency |
| 22:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | _0x471: thanks |
| 22:20.25 | MohammadAG | ugh, who packages this shit |
| 22:20.26 | b-man | hmm |
| 22:20.33 | _0x471 | np |
| 22:20.33 | MohammadAG | they need a kick in the arse |
| 22:21.05 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: As far as I understand it - hald-addon-bme does nothing without bme - it's a stub that interprets bme for hal. I may be wrong. |
| 22:21.25 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I guess you're right, but it's stupid to see that it doesn't depend on it |
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| 22:21.28 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I may be being confused though - you're talking of a non maemo platform? |
| 22:21.32 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, bme handles charging too right? |
| 22:21.33 | b-man | wonders why bme is not a dependency :/ |
| 22:21.39 | b-man | yes |
| 22:21.41 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 22:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you've been living under a stone? |
| 22:22.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, just checking |
| 22:23.02 | b-man | is kinda shocked xD |
| 22:23.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu |
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| 22:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | sighs on taxes and royalties madness |
| 22:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia doesn't ship fm-radio,not even in any repo, because if they did they had to pay insane taxes for the "radio" in several countries |
| 22:26.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, running the binary of bme is enough right? |
| 22:26.41 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | what else? |
| 22:26.56 | MohammadAG | unpacks the deb for bme |
| 22:27.14 | SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure I just installed fmradio from extras |
| 22:27.21 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: my N900 had the radio on it... |
| 22:27.30 | luke-jr | or I installed it, not sure which |
| 22:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: duh! if you're putting right Q then get good A: there's a lib I guess |
| 22:27.37 | luke-jr | but in either case, Nokia distributed it to me :) |
| 22:27.56 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's in extras http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ |
| 22:28.06 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/fmradio/2010.03.20/ |
| 22:28.12 | b-man | MohammadAG: you may not even have to do that - you can just re-download the closed packages from within maemo with "apt-get -d install -reinstall bme-RX51" |
| 22:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | so why doesn't it show up for me here in HAM? |
| 22:28.28 | MohammadAG | b-man, I already downloaded it lol |
| 22:28.35 | MohammadAG | b-man, how else did I get hald-addon-bme |
| 22:28.35 | b-man | ohhh lol |
| 22:29.04 | MohammadAG | installing ubuntu-desktop |
| 22:29.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you've got extras enabled? |
| 22:29.12 | b-man | :) |
| 22:29.30 | Nadley | good night bye |
| 22:29.46 | MohammadAG | b-man, oh and I'm using x11vnc to go around the UI till I get the ts fixed |
| 22:30.01 | MohammadAG | b-man, ts_calibrate should work, but it says ts_open: no such file or directory |
| 22:30.09 | b-man | hmm |
| 22:30.23 | b-man | does ts_open exist? |
| 22:30.26 | MohammadAG | no |
| 22:30.27 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | maemo.org; http://repository.maemo.org/extras/; fremantle-1.2; free non-free |
| 22:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^ |
| 22:30.48 | b-man | MohammadAG: you may need to rebuild the package providing it :S |
| 22:31.04 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 22:31.09 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 22:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ extras |
| 22:32.03 | MohammadAG | maybe you typo'd fmradio? :p |
| 22:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 22:32.20 | b-man | MohammadAG: just do a "package internals" search on packages.ubuntu.com |
| 22:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | I scrolled thru "All" like a fool |
| 22:33.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, use apt-get you noob |
| 22:33.14 | b-man | LOL |
| 22:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~trout MohammadAG |
| 22:33.30 | infobot | ACTION slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout! |
| 22:33.40 | MohammadAG | ~stab infobot |
| 22:33.41 | infobot | ACTION runs at infobot with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:33.43 | b-man | MohammadAG: ironically a couple of hours ago you said he's a pro xD |
| 22:33.56 | luke-jr | slams a 10lb box of (printed) UNIX man pages on MohammadAG's head. |
| 22:33.56 | MohammadAG | b-man, n00bs can be pros at being noobs |
| 22:34.01 | b-man | LOOL |
| 22:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you gangsta, you ruined apt! |
| 22:34.24 | b-man | luke-jr: xDD |
| 22:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | so HAM doesn't show fmradio now |
| 22:34.36 | MohammadAG | throws an ACME anvil at luke-jr |
| 22:34.38 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I think he's dead. |
| 22:34.46 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: pfft, as if ACME can outdo UNIX |
| 22:35.03 | b-man | drops a 1000 megaton bomb on the channel |
| 22:35.14 | luke-jr | ... boom |
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| 22:35.43 | MohammadAG | lols at someone calling python pythom |
| 22:35.47 | MohammadAG | could be a typo though |
| 22:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | damn, could somebody proofread my extras settings above, please |
| 22:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | maemo.org; http://repository.maemo.org/extras/; fremantle-1.2; free non-free |
| 22:36.11 | luke-jr | pithon |
| 22:36.12 | MohammadAG | typo, meh |
| 22:36.26 | luke-jr | glares at DocScrutinizer |
| 22:36.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, looks k to me |
| 22:37.00 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# grep ext * |
| 22:37.00 | SpeedEvil | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free |
| 22:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | freakin fsckng HAM |
| 22:37.29 | luke-jr | b-man is a ham |
| 22:37.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, type FM |
| 22:37.41 | MohammadAG | I think it uses a pretty name |
| 22:37.51 | MohammadAG | or should I say "pretty" name |
| 22:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm NOT a NOOB |
| 22:38.23 | b-man | LOL |
| 22:38.30 | MohammadAG | * [DocScrutinizer] (~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg): joerg |
| 22:38.35 | b-man | http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG random picture |
| 22:39.00 | MohammadAG | I know DocScrutinizer, it says engineer right there ^ |
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| 22:39.25 | SpeedEvil | is constantly in a zen state of n00bness. |
| 22:39.29 | MohammadAG | b-man, do you always pose next to traffic lights? |
| 22:39.40 | b-man | LOLOL |
| 22:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | fMMS, fMSX, FMTX faker, mediabox-fmradio, simple FMTX..., sleeper, webradio... |
| 22:40.06 | MohammadAG | maybe you have it installed? |
| 22:40.17 | MohammadAG | and you accidentally corrupted the .desktop file |
| 22:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:40.23 | b-man | MohammadAG: you called that a captain shot earlier lol |
| 22:40.31 | rafaelbrandao | ok guys how exactly can I package a lib? I was following the 'packaging' tutorial at maemo wiki but it is creating the deb files without the lib... oO' |
| 22:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not installed |
| 22:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | ohh, .desktop. mompls |
| 22:41.17 | rafaelbrandao | during the process it creates a tmp folder that probably contains the useful things but I'm not sure if I can just copy the files and paste on the device at the right paths. |
| 22:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | nope, no fm radio in HAM deinstall either |
| 22:42.26 | MohammadAG | is deinstall the new uninstall? |
| 22:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | I have a cloudy idea of my CAL settings forbidding FM radio for me |
| 22:43.04 | MohammadAG | FM radio isn't banned in any countries afaik |
| 22:43.08 | MohammadAG | on the N900 at least |
| 22:43.10 | MohammadAG | FMTX, yes |
| 22:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | afaik there was FM radio in HAM |
| 22:43.53 | Noma | anyone knows why ovi store doesn't let me download my zen bound? i've payed it and all |
| 22:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | and naged with an update twice a week |
| 22:44.10 | Noma | it just does nothing with the download link |
| 22:44.26 | MohammadAG | click the title bar and select Downloads |
| 22:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | so other better explanations please, why I can't install FM radio via HAM |
| 22:44.48 | MohammadAG | no idea, but debs can't precheck for stuff in cal |
| 22:45.08 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dpkg -i this http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/f/fmradio/fmradio_2010.03.20_armel.deb and apt-get -f install to fetch dependencies |
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| 22:47.28 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 22:47.37 | luke-jr | the radio app does some kind of text interpreting? |
| 22:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | will do now, as this is a fernengi shit I'm not really interested in for now (why HAM goes nuts here) |
| 22:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: huh? |
| 22:48.07 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the rds thing |
| 22:48.10 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yeah |
| 22:48.17 | luke-jr | never knew it was in the air |
| 22:48.18 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: htough not alternate frequencies |
| 22:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | sure it deals with staion names via RDS and whatnot |
| 22:48.24 | MohammadAG | both the FMTX and RX handle RDS |
| 22:49.05 | MohammadAG | if only the TX was a bit stronger, I could get in a taxi and freak out the driver by sending "DIE" textx |
| 22:49.08 | MohammadAG | texts* |
| 22:49.37 | b-man | lol |
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| 22:50.01 | mc_teo | does xchat have any dcc problems? |
| 22:50.08 | SpeedEvil | works well for me |
| 22:50.11 | SpeedEvil | inbound that is |
| 22:50.13 | MohammadAG | see fmtx_client to see how to use it |
| 22:50.15 | luke-jr | DCC is crap :p |
| 22:50.16 | mc_teo | mines crashed twice |
| 22:50.20 | SpeedEvil | outbound, you need to punch a hole in your NAT |
| 22:50.32 | SpeedEvil | And it's never going to work on cellphone |
| 22:50.39 | mc_teo | yeah im trying to recieve something |
| 22:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | (HAM, on opening the FMradio.deb, when clicking it in microb): missing program pkgs: n900-fmrx-enabler (>=1.5) |
| 22:51.07 | MohammadAG | use dpkg! |
| 22:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'll do that, MohammadAG |
| 22:51.24 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 22:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'll do that... later |
| 22:51.37 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:51.47 | MohammadAG | n900-fmrx-enabler is in Repository: |
| 22:51.47 | MohammadAG | Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel |
| 22:51.54 | MohammadAG | do you have that enabled? |
| 22:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | LOL, never heard of |
| 22:52.37 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/ |
| 22:52.53 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: so i need to setup any settings? like ips or anything to recieve |
| 22:52.56 | mc_teo | maybe |
| 22:53.32 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: No. Inbound DCC is sumple |
| 22:53.46 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: You get a note from the server that you need to connect to IP on port XX |
| 22:53.51 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the sender has to "punch a hole" though |
| 22:53.53 | SpeedEvil | And then you just connect out |
| 22:53.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why could this repo need a manual config and enabling for me? |
| 22:54.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it shouldn't, I thought you disabled it |
| 22:54.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it comes preenabled |
| 22:55.47 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: i think it crashed because i tried saving the default location, which was / for me |
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| 22:56.11 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 22:56.17 | crashanddie | don't use dcc |
| 22:56.22 | crashanddie | just use http://dl.free.fr |
| 22:56.26 | SpeedEvil | I've reieved a couple of hundred megs of stuff with dcc |
| 22:56.27 | SpeedEvil | works well |
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| 22:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | I got Nokia Apps (https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ) and software updates ( .../ssu/mr0 ) |
| 22:56.55 | MohammadAG | then you should have no problems installing it :x |
| 22:57.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you fix apt? |
| 22:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 22:57.13 | MohammadAG | apt-get -f install |
| 22:57.18 | MohammadAG | having broken deps is wrong :p |
| 22:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | this is a *clean* fresh system |
| 22:57.30 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 22:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I really feel pissed FM radio isn't there |
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| 22:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | I added 3(?) repos, that's all |
| 22:58.46 | MohammadAG | what does apt-get install fmradio show? |
| 23:01.37 | MohammadAG | damn my N900 is hot |
| 23:01.57 | SpeedEvil | Mine too. |
| 23:02.02 | SpeedEvil | Video streaming makes it warm. |
| 23:02.06 | MohammadAG | Installing 224 packages here |
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| 23:03.58 | mc-scrat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.58 | mc-scrat | k e it work longer? Pls, it's really important for me, because today I have very interesting information earned and written it into calendar. No sync was since then. Pls-plz |
| 23:05.18 | SpeedEvil | mc-scrat: this is 1.2? |
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| 23:05.29 | mc-scrat | yes |
| 23:05.50 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, flashing only the root filesystem should work and not touch the data at all. |
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| 23:06.02 | SpeedEvil | mce is on / |
| 23:06.08 | mc-scrat | hm. btw I forgot it!! |
| 23:06.18 | mc-scrat | thx for idea! |
| 23:06.39 | mc-scrat | but the question is still actual =) |
| 23:06.48 | SpeedEvil | Also - 'backup' before doing stuff |
| 23:07.21 | MohammadAG | and have some emergency fix (ssh at boot up, other OS to fix the file etc...) |
| 23:07.56 | mc-scrat | actually i've done it twice before - but in instruction is written "stop mce, then replace file, then start mce". I've forgotten to firstly stop it =) |
| 23:09.07 | mc-scrat | it's rly a cool thing, but i had no time to install another os, to be honest. but I will of cource! |
| 23:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head on messing with /sbin/mce |
| 23:09.09 | MohammadAG | shouldn't actually matter |
| 23:11.10 | mc-scrat | hm. I think so, but that's the sequence: replaced (from /home/user/MyDocs folder (maybe wrong permissions is the reason??)), stopped, started, rebooted, rebooted,rebooted... |
| 23:11.45 | SpeedEvil | Why are you replacing mce at all? |
| 23:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT did you replace? for what reason? /etc/mce/mce.cfg or /sbin/mce ?? |
| 23:12.39 | MohammadAG | s/cfg/ini |
| 23:12.42 | SpeedEvil | where are these instrucitons/ |
| 23:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 3 times edited it, then thought WTF whocares |
| 23:13.36 | MohammadAG | <-- apparently he does |
| 23:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you bviously knew what I meant |
| 23:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | could have put it like /etc/mce/mce* |
| 23:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | as there's just one file in there |
| 23:15.19 | e-yes | why maemo's kernel loads an ethernet module? |
| 23:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, mc-scrat seems has managed to detonate his LiIon cell |
| 23:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes: fo rWLAN? |
| 23:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | or PC suite mode? |
| 23:16.04 | *** join/#maemo dmb (~dmb@unaffiliated/dmb) |
| 23:16.28 | mc-scrat | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57042 - the tread about in. In /etc/mce.conf there's no way to disable lock-switch. So it's the hack to replace 1 letter in a binary mce to make lock-switch unusable. Nad: there's a copy of an original mce in /sbin/mce~ of cource! |
| 23:17.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure you can redefine the HAL keys |
| 23:17.39 | SpeedEvil | you can do it for the camera so it doesn't launch |
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| 23:19.13 | mc-scrat | hm. I didn't thougth about it - searching the forum gave me solution. But there's the result =)) |
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| 23:19.29 | mc_teo | ... |
| 23:19.38 | hume | hi... I'm trying to connect my N900 to a protected wifi network, but the device tries to do a setup process. Why am I not just asked for the password? Is there a way to solve this? I do not have access to the router, so I cannot press any buttons on that, as the N900 asks me to do... |
| 23:19.45 | mc_teo | why doesnt media player support .avi? |
| 23:20.00 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: AVI is not a file format |
| 23:20.05 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: it's a container |
| 23:20.20 | mc_teo | for? |
| 23:20.31 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: There can be one of any of several dozen codecs inside it - some of which are supported, som eof which aren't |
| 23:20.42 | mc_teo | and how can i open this container |
| 23:20.50 | mc_teo | or convert it |
| 23:21.10 | SpeedEvil | There are conversion FAQs on the wiki - I have not investigated this area |
| 23:21.13 | hume | mc_teo, you might need to convert using for instance the Media Conveter for the N770 / N800 |
| 23:21.31 | hume | or iriverter |
| 23:22.53 | mc_teo | and afaik its .mpg within |
| 23:24.37 | hume | anyone knows about protected wifi and the N900? |
| 23:25.19 | mc_teo | cant you press cancel or something to drop to passphrase prompt |
| 23:25.40 | hume | no cancel that I can find....sorry |
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| 23:26.16 | mc_teo | and if the router is configged to make you setup, then it shouldnt be able to bypass it |
| 23:26.59 | e-yes | DocScrutinizer, smc91 (and mii) |
| 23:27.06 | mc_teo | the whole point of it is to make sure the user has physical access to the router |
| 23:27.18 | mc_teo | and isnt wardriving |
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| 23:27.48 | hume | mc_teo, well... feels a bit strange that my laptop connects without any problems, without physical accesss... |
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| 23:28.31 | skynets | hi, i want to access my shared folders in windows to copy them to the phone |
| 23:28.37 | skynets | by wifi |
| 23:29.35 | mc_teo | hume: well it probably has it saved |
| 23:29.36 | skynets | whats the simplest way? |
| 23:29.56 | hume | no, first time ever on this network yesterday |
| 23:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA |
| 23:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | UKW-Radio |
| 23:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | isn't localization a mega brilliant thing :-S |
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| 23:35.21 | hume | my problem is that I would need to download maps to mappero over the wifi - since I do not have any 3G network where I am. Is there a way to do that via my laptop, that can access the wifi network? Any suggestions? |
| 23:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | now that rocks... @³½§$##*&%!! |
| 23:37.38 | SpeedEvil1 | DocScrutinizer: ukw-radio? |
| 23:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | YES! nice, isn't it? |
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| 23:38.15 | SpeedEvil1 | ? |
| 23:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | where's LANG=C for HAM? |
| 23:38.54 | pronto | How hard woudl it be to make an app/plug to add something to share photo via service , directly to my ftp/scp server? |
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| 23:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | pronto: I think I've seen config files for such things long time ago |
| 23:40.18 | pronto | really? i've looked around, never came across anything , right now i'm using pixelpipe as a middle-man of sorts |
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| 23:40.36 | SpeedEvil | picasa also |
| 23:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | if it's really that simple, then you only need to grep for a typical string (http://share.facebook.foo ?) and copy&edit |
| 23:41.01 | SpeedEvil | pronto: Well - there is the alterantive. |
| 23:41.07 | SpeedEvil | grsync? |
| 23:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | pronto: It's just a cloudy memory |
| 23:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm wrong |
| 23:41.54 | pronto | i just want something so i can select multiple photos(as i do now) and share via serivce, so i can edit the title feild, then upload them |
| 23:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | I think I know what you want |
| 23:44.19 | SpeedEvil | wonders why his 2g/3g switcher sometimes dissapears |
| 23:44.40 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehe funny, was just about to install it |
| 23:45.22 | SpeedEvil | If there are >8, it won't show |
| 23:46.26 | SpeedEvil | wonders if there is a way to set which show. |
| 23:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | now that's BAD(tm) |
| 23:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | portrait mode ;-P |
| 23:47.12 | SpeedEvil | no - the screen is not full |
| 23:47.19 | vldcnst | broken as designed? |
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| 23:49.14 | MohammadAG | * SpeedEvil wonders why his 2g/3g switcher sometimes dissapears |
| 23:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | apmefo o.O |
| 23:49.36 | MohammadAG | hildon-status-menu crashes for some reason, when it does that many times, it loads the stock widget |
| 23:49.39 | MohammadAG | (s) |
| 23:49.47 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no |
| 23:49.51 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it's not that |
| 23:50.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If I plug USB in phone mode. |
| 23:50.23 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: then I get that, and one dissapears |
| 23:51.02 | pronto | DocScrutinizer: any idea where those config files would be? |
| 23:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | automate the process of creating folders in app menu |
| 23:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | pronto: not at all, sorry |
| 23:52.34 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering about doing that with apmefo to jam top 50 qa queue into a 'testing' folder |
| 23:54.50 | DrGrov | I hope someone could give me some info about Negri Electronics |
| 23:55.07 | DrGrov | I wonder how the fuck they did get a hold of the presumable Nokia N9? |
| 23:55.41 | SpeedEvil | .config/menus/submenus/ .local/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 23:55.42 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.02 | DrGrov | But luckily it is nothing close to the capability of the N900 :) |
