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| 00:08.38 | pigeon | weird, i'm surprised pingus isn't in the repo... or no one has been maintaining the maemo port |
| 00:11.00 | pupnik_ | pigeon: some memory collectin problems - i can't release it |
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| 00:15.04 | pigeon | pupnik_: oh! |
| 00:15.22 | pupnik_ | someone else can try |
| 00:15.44 | pigeon | pupnik_: do tell, what do you mean by memory collecting? |
| 00:16.03 | pupnik_ | i'm seeing hiccups in game pay and iirc that is garbage collection |
| 00:16.09 | pupnik_ | play |
| 00:16.42 | pigeon | what is pingus written in? it does gc itself? |
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| 00:18.31 | pigeon | ah, c++? seeing it needs libboost |
| 00:20.22 | pupnik_ | needs a bit of repositioning of elements for 800x480 also |
| 00:21.27 | pigeon | right |
| 00:24.23 | b-man | yawns |
| 00:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | shoots at b-man with a hyper-accelerated-coffeine gun |
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| 00:39.16 | b-man | lol |
| 00:39.47 | b-man | ~nuke DocScrutinizer |
| 00:39.48 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 00:45.03 | b-man | is bored |
| 00:45.22 | b-man | i never really got around to showing you guys this but: |
| 00:45.29 | b-man | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2fJB1VMaOY |
| 00:45.31 | b-man | ^ EF4 recorded by a traffic camera tornado that passed about 6 miles north of my house a few weeks back |
| 00:45.53 | b-man | *EF4 tornado |
| 00:45.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | runs a portscan and pentest against b-man |
| 00:46.06 | b-man | LOL |
| 00:46.06 | asj | and people wonder why I left indiana |
| 00:46.41 | b-man | it's crazy though |
| 00:46.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | to cure the boredom of your life |
| 00:46.59 | asj | well something exciting has to happen.... |
| 00:48.02 | b-man | http://www.draconidigital.com/tornado.htm < more pictures/footage |
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| 00:48.31 | b-man | brb |
| 00:48.41 | keemo | Hi |
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| 00:48.51 | keemo | Kifkom? |
| 00:49.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | hkiag.pqagb.aeg?? |
| 00:50.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | jhdfhyr JFJRJRE!!!! |
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| 01:08.28 | Termana | yello |
| 01:08.36 | asj | orange |
| 01:08.46 | b-man | apple |
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| 01:09.08 | b-man | xDDDD |
| 01:09.39 | Termana | b-man, I was hoping you were here :P |
| 01:09.49 | Termana | I have a couple of things to ask |
| 01:10.23 | Termana | b-man, do you still have this image: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/mer/screenshots/screenshot01.png |
| 01:10.49 | b-man | i might |
| 01:10.51 | b-man | 1 sec |
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| 01:12.12 | b-man | i can't seem to find it :S |
| 01:13.18 | Termana | b-man, no problem :P Whenever you find yourself bored as hell with nothing to do, can I get you to look at something for me? *BSD (with x86 emulation) on the n900? (I don't have an n900 and the FreeBSD image crashes on my n810) |
| 01:13.35 | b-man | sure :) |
| 01:13.40 | Termana | thanks :) |
| 01:13.57 | b-man | although i've tried BSD on my N800 without luck :( |
| 01:14.05 | b-man | but |
| 01:14.26 | b-man | since the N900 has 2.1x the power, it may work ;) |
| 01:15.16 | Termana | I had a small (but useless) NetBSD image running under Bochs on my n810. But trying to boot the freebsd image A) Took forever and B) Eventually made Bochs quit with an error |
| 01:16.06 | b-man | perhaps qemu is more suitable :) |
| 01:16.40 | Termana | mmm, I could try. Is it available under Ubuntu's 9.04 ARM repo? (Mer) |
| 01:16.52 | b-man | it should be |
| 01:17.24 | b-man | however if i have to, i'll just compile an optimized version for maemo ;) |
| 01:20.46 | b-man | i've already tested qemu-system-arm along with a minimal ulibc linux system with a DirectFB interface and it performed quite well |
| 01:21.48 | b-man | way better than what my N800 did under the same test :) |
| 01:22.10 | b-man | g2g - going to a coffee shop :P |
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| 01:44.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | I really think it's silly to run a FOSS OS under a cpu emulator |
| 01:44.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | rather use a generic version and make it run natively |
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| 01:49.19 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51, You would need to implement the armv7 code, the OMAP code, the board specific code, the peripheral code. The *BSD trees have none of this AFAIK |
| 01:56.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr |
| 01:57.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | target=armel; chroot mynativeimg |
| 01:58.14 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51, ? You can't chroot into a *BSD image from Linux... unless I've been missing out on something |
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| 01:59.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | whateveryou do to make it run, emulating a x86 is idiotic |
| 01:59.38 | luke-jr | he was emulating an ARM |
| 01:59.48 | luke-jr | neither kqemu nor KVM support ARM |
| 02:00.06 | luke-jr | also, what do you think x86 CPUs do? |
| 02:00.08 | luke-jr | they emulate x86 |
| 02:00.10 | luke-jr | :p |
| 02:01.02 | luke-jr | thinks Intel could feasably kill AMD off by opening the RISC "x86" instruction set(s) |
| 02:01.06 | Termana | luke-jr, actually *I* was emulating x86 with Bochs. It would be fair to say I should use qemu-system-arm if I'm using qemu. |
| 02:01.18 | luke-jr | [20:20:46] <b-man> i've already tested qemu-system-arm along with a minimal ulibc linux system with a DirectFB interface and it performed quite well |
| 02:01.44 | luke-jr | anyhow, it should be *possible* to run BSD chroot on Linux |
| 02:01.48 | luke-jr | but nfc if anyone's done it |
| 02:02.34 | luke-jr | proof of concept: LUK supports two independent syscall tables-- the normal Linux syscalls, and the NT syscalls |
| 02:02.51 | luke-jr | therefore executing binaries for either platform as equals |
| 02:02.52 | Termana | To be honest, I don't see much point in chroot into a BSD image from Linux. Your still running on Linux - wheres the joy in that, you may as well just use a normal linux userland |
| 02:03.02 | luke-jr | true |
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| 02:05.30 | Termana | and thats the reasons why I think crashanddie is a great guy |
| 02:05.36 | Termana | Oh hey crashanddie! |
| 02:05.38 | Termana | :P |
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| 02:15.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems someone posted a psychotrop mantra to the channel |
| 02:20.52 | rafaelbrandao | packaging is harder than it seens. :( |
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| 02:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | If pigs eat sand, they'd probably shit next generation SoCs |
| 02:35.52 | raster | starts pig farming |
| 02:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | starts selling perfumes |
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| 02:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | honestly - x86-BSD in bochs on a ARM-linux, how lame is *that*? |
| 02:38.04 | raster | thats lame |
| 02:38.34 | raster | every time someone goes "oh woot heres windows xp on my phone" ... i sigh |
| 02:38.36 | raster | lame |
| 02:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | even virtualbox to run a linux on a linux is rather lame, when you think of doing that on a 500MHz ARM with 256MB of RAM |
| 02:41.07 | doc|home | is there a way to have the n900 emulate voicemail? i.e. instead of picking up the phone automatically records the message |
| 02:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | there are projects tackling that afaik |
| 02:41.34 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, the hardware can do that. |
| 02:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | it's feasible |
| 02:41.46 | SpeedEvil | In practice, I don't think anyone has released anything. |
| 02:41.51 | doc|home | ok, thanks for the reply |
| 02:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | there's call recorder though |
| 02:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | which is basically doing all you need |
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| 02:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | think the package is called diferently, but it's a call recorder |
| 02:42.49 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: yeah, just need it to automate the pickup and message play though :/ |
| 02:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 02:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's prolly the easy part |
| 02:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | compared to messing around with friggin PA |
| 02:43.36 | doc|home | PA? |
| 02:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | pulse audio BS |
| 02:44.04 | doc|home | I don't have any time whatsoever to put into it :/ |
| 02:44.09 | doc|home | I barely have time to sleep these days |
| 02:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: you'll need to find the time to browse thru the garage projects. Guess you'll find something interesting |
| 02:45.24 | doc|home | thanks |
| 02:46.13 | flailingmonkey | emulating an x86 for the purpose of running an OS is a terrible idea for a phone |
| 02:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah |
| 02:46.31 | flailingmonkey | especially when you can run it somewhere else and vnc |
| 02:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | or just run it natively |
| 02:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | gnutoo, debian, meego... afaik all those run natively on N900. Don't see why BSD can't |
| 02:48.19 | flailingmonkey | it could, but it would be more work |
| 02:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | yawns, bored |
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| 02:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | it would be *less* work... for the cpu :-P |
| 02:49.59 | flailingmonkey | heh, indeed |
| 02:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | so much less that it even might make sense - as opposed to running x86 BSD in bochs |
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| 02:50.36 | asj | netbsd is centered around portability....why not just do that? |
| 02:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | asj: I'm missing the point in discussion for quite some hours now. So don't ask me |
| 02:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | yawns again, and decides it's time for breakfast at bakery |
| 02:51.55 | asj | DocScrutinizer: since when did irc need a point? :) |
| 02:52.08 | Termana | Excuse me if I may, since your been shunning what I tried for the last half an hour. |
| 02:52.13 | Termana | you've* |
| 02:52.30 | Termana | But, I don't intend to run this all the time. Its called experimenting. |
| 02:52.46 | flailingmonkey | for those interested in netbsd on N900: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm-soc.html |
| 02:53.08 | Termana | And if you weren't such a faggot, you would understand that. No wonder this community is failing. |
| 02:53.11 | asj | flailingmonkey: lol 404 |
| 02:53.24 | flailingmonkey | boo |
| 02:53.29 | flailingmonkey | for those interested in netbsd on N900: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm_soc.html |
| 02:53.30 | doc|home | hmm, is Termana how people spell "dick" these days? |
| 03:00.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: BOCHS to run Linux on N810 might have a real-world use |
| 03:00.23 | luke-jr | since N810 is memory constrained, one might have an application that demands 196 MB RAM... |
| 03:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 03:00.50 | luke-jr | and since Linux has not yet been fully ported to N810, BOCHS would provide a common platform to run it |
| 03:00.57 | luke-jr | therefore enabling use of ramzswap |
| 03:01.02 | luke-jr | to compress memory |
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| 03:01.06 | luke-jr | :) |
| 03:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I emulated a cray on my N810 last weekend |
| 03:02.22 | pyther | has anyone figured out how to listen to iheartradio no the n900? |
| 03:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | heard somebody else used a nfs-mounted swap of 96GB and emulated google's cloud computing |
| 03:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | </sarcasm> |
| 03:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | off for breakfast |
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| 03:03.52 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you can't even have 4 GB swap on a 32-bit platform |
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| 03:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you bet I can |
| 03:05.02 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no! |
| 03:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | I had on my P-II system ~2000, priority of the swap partitions 42, 41, 40 for the 3 HDD |
| 03:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/200/y2k |
| 03:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: (man 8 mkswap ->) |
| 03:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | The maximum useful size of a swap area depends on the architecture and the kernel version. It is roughly 2GiB on |
| 03:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: there's no limitations on the number of swap areas used concurrently though (at least none I know of) |
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| 03:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | (to be precise and non-abiguous I don't know of limitations of the total size of concurrently used swap areas - anyway since 2.3.3 it seems any worries about swap area size are completely moot) |
| 03:27.46 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: 32-bit platforms by definition cannot address more than 4 GB memory |
| 03:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: per definition a single app can not address >4GB of virtual mem on a 32GB kernel |
| 03:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | not related to memory allocation LUT structure |
| 03:30.15 | flailingmonkey | take it to #linux or #somewhereelse :p, g'night |
| 03:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | even a 32bit system might implement a 64bit (or whatever size) mmu subsystem |
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| 05:26.22 | D-Iivili | good morning... zzz... |
| 05:28.23 | D-Iivili | Everyone else are still sleeping? I need more coffee... |
| 05:29.57 | fragment | mmm coffee |
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| 05:30.41 | D-Iivili | Yeah.. my third cup so far. And I have been awake like half an hour... |
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| 05:32.01 | D-Iivili | Time to go to work > |
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| 05:39.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | COFFEE |
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| 05:39.44 | RST38h | DEADBEEF |
| 05:39.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, thought I was about to go to sleep |
| 05:39.57 | RST38h | You are asleep. |
| 05:40.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | you are a doghnut!!! YOU ARE A DOUGHNUT! |
| 05:41.27 | RST38h | Yea, I am a doughnut. And I am going to swallow you. |
| 05:41.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | listen to hypnotoad |
| 05:41.55 | RST38h | PREPARE TO BE DEVOURED BY A DOUGHNUT, YOU PUNY HUMAN |
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| 05:52.17 | doc|home | you're doing it wrong |
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| 05:54.04 | D-Iivil | @ work |
| 05:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://r33b.net/ |
| 05:55.01 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer: you seriously need to go and see a doctor :-D |
| 05:55.06 | LiraNuna_ | hey guys, I got a "2500mAh" battery for N900 |
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| 05:55.16 | LiraNuna_ | how do I check the actual value? |
| 05:55.42 | D-Iivil | LiraNuna_: I bought also a "1950mAh" which could last two hours with full charge... |
| 05:56.01 | LiraNuna_ | it was 10$, I didn't REALLY expect it to be as such |
| 05:56.07 | D-Iivil | Mine was too :-P |
| 05:56.28 | LiraNuna_ | will BatteryGraph show me real mAh? |
| 05:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | charge completely, then take a 10Ohm,2W resistor and a voltmeter, and short the battery with resistor. Stop time until voltage drops to 3.0V |
| 05:56.33 | D-Iivil | LiraNuna_: No it will not. |
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| 05:57.03 | LiraNuna_ | DocScrutinizer, I got none of that |
| 05:57.08 | luke-jr | [sgx_misr] is locking up my N900 again :x |
| 05:57.11 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer: intresting, how do you count the mAh from that? |
| 05:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | then you're basically out of luck for getting accurate capacity |
| 05:57.47 | LiraNuna_ | DocScrutinizer, then, estimate? |
| 05:58.18 | D-Iivil | LiraNuna_: Charge it up and stick it in your N900. Then use the phone as you normally do and see how long it will last and then compare it to the original. |
| 05:58.30 | D-Iivil | For rough estimate.. |
| 05:58.35 | LiraNuna_ | but thing is |
| 05:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: rather simple: assume battery is ~3.7V avrg, then there will be 370mA flowing over the resistor, this makes 370mAh/h |
| 05:58.38 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer put the fingers in the electril plug |
| 05:58.50 | LiraNuna_ | same battery - and my N900 will discharge one day in an abnormal rate |
| 05:59.01 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer: Aaah, ofcourse. My brains aren't working yet. |
| 05:59.22 | D-Iivil | ZogG: I once did that when I was like five years old. |
| 05:59.39 | ZogG | D-Iivil did you like it? |
| 05:59.47 | Corsac | LiraNuna_: one day is not that abnormal |
| 05:59.51 | D-Iivil | ZogG: Though I didn't directly stick my fingers, I had two wires I used :-D |
| 06:00.04 | LiraNuna_ | Corsac, "one day" was not a time frame |
| 06:00.12 | ZogG | D-Iivil, you always was a clever boy |
| 06:00.14 | Corsac | ho, sorry |
| 06:00.18 | LiraNuna_ | some days the battery lasts for 6 hours, others I can get 11 hours |
| 06:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna_: you could use a incandecent bulb of a torch or bike lamp |
| 06:00.18 | D-Iivil | All I remember was that big "flames" came out from the wall socket and I was scared like hell :D |
| 06:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna_: that depends how much is consumed by WLAN & 3G, and of course by high load on CPU |
| 06:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | and by duration of backlight on |
| 06:01.52 | LiraNuna_ | DocScrutinizer, almost the same values, I can give you batterygraph graphs |
| 06:02.23 | LiraNuna_ | I'm speaking about 10% loss in 40 minutes when the phone is in my pocket |
| 06:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | batterygraph is nonsense (sorry), as it tells you about nothing and adds to cpu load |
| 06:03.03 | LiraNuna_ | I see |
| 06:03.24 | LiraNuna_ | goes back to coding a google maps client for N900 |
| 06:03.55 | ZogG | LiraNuna_ any beta preview or only started? |
| 06:04.07 | LiraNuna_ | more like alpha |
| 06:04.26 | LiraNuna_ | I want to get it to a state where I check if pure 2D accel is better than 3D |
| 06:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | just yesterday I heard batgraph or bateye is causing 60 IRQ/s |
| 06:04.39 | LiraNuna_ | I've noticed Mapparo uses simple blitbit for drawing |
| 06:04.50 | LiraNuna_ | and it's slow |
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| 06:05.52 | LiraNuna_ | I'm wondering how noticable it will be using OGL ES |
| 06:06.19 | D-Iivil | Oookay.. time to work now. They are changing the tax percentage here in finland tomorrow and I need to do some heavy database calculation to get all our webshops to use the correct tax. Plaah. |
| 06:06.43 | TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, I concur. |
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| 06:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's kinda like using a 2kW flood lamp to illumiate the electric meter of your mains installation, to video the power your frige is using |
| 06:09.58 | LiraNuna_ | ^ lol |
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| 06:32.17 | defragger | tebay.de |
| 06:32.28 | defragger | ups wrong window, sorry |
| 06:32.37 | D-Iivil | Argh... I would like to KILL our former IT-guy. |
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| 06:33.18 | luke-jr | D-Iivil: that'll land you in jail for sure |
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| 06:34.42 | D-Iivil | luke-jr: I think that guy who hard codes stuff into formulas should be killed without penalties. |
| 06:35.39 | ham5 | isent being killed... the penality? |
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| 06:36.09 | D-Iivil | Why on earth he didn't use variables that ALREADY EXISTED! Instead that dumb ass wrote the values directly into the source. |
| 06:36.17 | D-Iivil | ham5: I mean penalty for the one that kills the guy. |
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| 06:38.12 | D-Iivil | And now I have like ~100 php files to dig through and manually seek through the formulas and transform all wrong values into variables. Search & replace won't do the work here since the same number is used in other places too and those should not be changed. Fuck fuck fuckedi fuck. |
| 06:38.18 | D-Iivil | gets more coffee |
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| 06:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: time to fire the guy who hired that crack |
| 06:43.31 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer: well.. it's kind a hard to do since it was the manager who did the hiring. And probably hired me since the guy didn't know what he was doing. |
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| 06:54.34 | _0x47 | Morning guys! I really need libsdl-mixer1.2 to be updated. Who could help me? X-Fade seems to be gone for some reason... :/ |
| 06:57.44 | D-Iivil | Argharghargh. Time for break now... |
| 06:58.12 | D-Iivil | Btw, can someone tell me what should a put on .desktop -file to run a shell script without opening the terminal window? |
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| 07:09.34 | jacekowski | morning |
| 07:10.50 | aboyer | is it possible to configure scratchbox with two armel targets such that one compiles for pr1.1.1 and the other for 1.2? if so, any information on how to do that? |
| 07:12.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | D-Iivil: possibly '/bin/sh -c /path/to/yoscript 1>/dev/null 2>&1' |
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| 07:14.33 | jacekowski | there is one thing that's worrying me |
| 07:14.36 | jacekowski | well 2 things |
| 07:14.48 | jacekowski | maybe just one |
| 07:14.56 | jacekowski | that i'm really rude and insulting to other people |
| 07:15.03 | jacekowski | and nobody seems to have problem with it |
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| 07:16.59 | ZogG | jacekowski, it's okay, me too, but people say i'm not like this and i'm kindhearted, just deep inside - they dont realize i'm not =) |
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| 07:18.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | cackles and :-x |
| 07:18.14 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer51: seems to work just putting "sudo myscript" into Exec -field |
| 07:18.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | or that :) |
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| 07:22.36 | _0x47 | D-Iivil: terminal=false |
| 07:23.00 | _0x47 | with capital T |
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| 07:28.14 | jacekowski | oO |
| 07:28.15 | jacekowski | .text:00019C78 AND R3, R3, #0x70 |
| 07:28.15 | jacekowski | .text:00019C7C CMP R3, #0x30 ; '0' |
| 07:28.15 | jacekowski | .text:00019C80 BLS loc_19C20 ; jumptable 00019BCC cases 0,1,9,13 |
| 07:28.43 | jacekowski | 0x70 == 0b1110000 |
| 07:28.56 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 07:29.00 | jacekowski | nvm |
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| 07:32.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, would need 30min ARM asm crashcourse to digest that |
| 07:33.02 | jacekowski | AND - binary and |
| 07:33.06 | jacekowski | CMP - compare |
| 07:33.12 | jacekowski | BLS - branch if lower than |
| 07:33.20 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 07:33.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's a cmp with 3 args? |
| 07:33.42 | jacekowski | thing is that code is responsible for terminating charging |
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| 07:33.50 | jacekowski | that's after ; |
| 07:33.52 | jacekowski | ; - comment |
| 07:34.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 07:34.49 | RST38h | HCF - halt and catch fire |
| 07:34.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia 12 here |
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| 07:35.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: LOL |
| 07:36.20 | jacekowski | thing is that it seems to set up charge termination to quite low value |
| 07:36.24 | jacekowski | but it's still there |
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| 07:43.09 | dotblank | hmm I'm getting segfaults but I can't seem to disassemble output from gdb |
| 07:43.16 | dotblank | this is with qt Creater |
| 07:43.30 | dotblank | would love to troubleshoot this |
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| 08:01.17 | tristan | is uh. anyone here capable of looking atmy battery graph screenshot and telling me if something is catastrophically wrong. |
| 08:01.44 | Scelt | guess you're having same problem than me |
| 08:01.55 | Scelt | the graph goes like \ |
| 08:02.17 | Scelt | haven't yet solved why it' so |
| 08:02.33 | tristan | yeaah |
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| 08:02.37 | tristan | 3/3.5g is like |
| 08:02.41 | MohammadAG51 | mine's like /(some 7 hour use)\ |
| 08:02.42 | tristan | a percentage a minute. |
| 08:03.08 | tristan | like really really. my 40 minute commute home takes about half the battery |
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| 08:03.10 | tristan | just to sit o msn |
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| 08:03.26 | asj | something wrong with msn? |
| 08:03.38 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, it exists |
| 08:03.43 | Scelt | mine did go down rapidly as I was sleeping |
| 08:03.59 | Scelt | so I didn't do anything but had alarm waiting |
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| 08:05.21 | tristan | well, its cpu usage isnt through the roof or anything. |
| 08:05.26 | tristan | ill screenshot. |
| 08:05.28 | Scelt | I had battery issues with fm widgets before. they have a bad habbit of teasing fm transmitter just to poll if it's on or not. I removed the widgets and everything when fine but now, yesterday it satsrted again |
| 08:06.19 | asj | tristan: if it's discharging in ~90mins the phone will be warm |
| 08:06.21 | RST38h | One of those widgets probably infected another widget in your device |
| 08:06.35 | RST38h | so that infected widget is also polling the fm transmitter now |
| 08:06.40 | Scelt | RST38h: as I said it was fine for weeks |
| 08:06.52 | RST38h | incubation period. |
| 08:06.58 | MohammadAG51 | then the facebook widget will stand up and say I am Legend on all 3 rows |
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| 08:07.47 | tristan | http://omploader.org/vNHM0dA/battery.png |
| 08:08.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm interesting |
| 08:08.03 | tristan | i dont notice it being especially warm. ill pay muich closer attention tommorow to heat. |
| 08:08.11 | tristan | you can see when my lunch breaks are :/ |
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| 08:08.23 | tristan | but the usage for the trip home is just extreme. |
| 08:08.26 | asj | well CPU load is running about 40% for an hour |
| 08:08.40 | Scelt | tristan: when that started for you? |
| 08:08.50 | tristan | since i got the phone. its only a few days old. |
| 08:08.59 | Scelt | oh, okay |
| 08:09.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | when he installed batgraph :-P |
| 08:09.09 | Scelt | do you use devel? |
| 08:09.14 | tristan | it seems pidgin might be horribly optimized. |
| 08:09.19 | tristan | i have the repository enabled, yes. |
| 08:09.27 | asj | pidgin isn't optomized... |
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| 08:09.44 | Scelt | I'm guessing that some new devel update did something awful to my phone |
| 08:09.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | sighs |
| 08:09.57 | tristan | hmm. so is that sort of load from pidgin fairly normal. |
| 08:10.22 | asj | tristan: what are you doing that's pushed the cpu load up? |
| 08:10.37 | tristan | tonight i had pidgin open talking to one person on msn. and checked facebook once. |
| 08:10.45 | tristan | over a 3g data connection |
| 08:11.01 | Scelt | so my phone did use 70 % of battery in 3 hours, when I was sleeping |
| 08:11.39 | BCMM | Scelt: were you on eg? |
| 08:11.40 | BCMM | 3g |
| 08:11.43 | asj | tristan: so, for 1 hour your had the phone open, were browsing fb and chatting on msn? turn the screen brightness down |
| 08:11.52 | tristan | its on the middle setting. |
| 08:11.57 | Scelt | BCMM: ye, as I've been for months now |
| 08:12.01 | tristan | but may have been adjusting itself, im unsure how the sensor works. |
| 08:12.13 | BCMM | Scelt: i mean, were you using 3g data? |
| 08:12.26 | Scelt | BCMM: naah, internet connection was down |
| 08:12.28 | tristan | actually it was set on two bars. brightness. with the simple ap. |
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| 08:12.51 | tristan | there must be someting else, the only widget i have is conversations. |
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| 08:12.53 | asj | tristan: run top next time and see what's generating all the cpu load |
| 08:12.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Scelt: how that? |
| 08:13.03 | tristan | check. |
| 08:13.07 | Scelt | and I only have 3 widgets: calendar, foreca and nameday |
| 08:13.11 | BCMM | does brightness change if you don't have simple brightness installed? |
| 08:13.19 | Scelt | DocScrutinizer51: wat? |
| 08:13.53 | BCMM | Scelt: got powertop? |
| 08:13.55 | asj | BCMM: yes, it always uses the ambient light sensor |
| 08:14.14 | BCMM | asj: does it still do that with simple brightness installed? |
| 08:14.23 | BCMM | cause i've noticed it blinding me in dark rooms |
| 08:14.26 | asj | BCMM: just cranks down the "gain" |
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| 08:14.46 | tristan | i will replicate it momentarily. |
| 08:14.55 | Scelt | BCMM: installing |
| 08:14.58 | BCMM | actually, the other day i saw it blind somebody who didn't seem geeky enough to have installed simple brightness |
| 08:14.59 | asj | BCMM: put your thumb over the sensor for 30seconds and you should see it get dimmer |
| 08:15.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | BCMM: simple brightness disables ALS on 5bars setting |
| 08:15.09 | BCMM | (the hell was a non-geek doing with an n900?) |
| 08:15.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly a bug |
| 08:15.20 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: ah, that explains it |
| 08:15.29 | asj | heh, I never run 5 bars |
| 08:15.31 | BCMM | asj: ah, 30 seconds explains the other thing |
| 08:15.41 | tristan | 5 bars is pretty damn abrasive. |
| 08:15.47 | BCMM | it's weird, but in daylight, 5 bars seems "sharper" to me |
| 08:16.17 | asj | what';s a geek doing out in sunlight? |
| 08:16.27 | BCMM | asj: cycling :) |
| 08:16.36 | tristan | im still uh, seeing a lot of duplicate processes too. |
| 08:16.42 | tristan | that i would contend are closed. |
| 08:16.56 | Scelt | BCMM: gives segmentation fault |
| 08:17.04 | BCMM | Scelt: powertop does? |
| 08:17.10 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:17.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | mo Jaffa |
| 08:17.30 | Scelt | BCMM: ye |
| 08:17.34 | MohammadAG51 | morning Jaffa |
| 08:17.59 | BCMM | Scelt: that's odd |
| 08:18.01 | Scelt | BCMM: but gives out some info before seg fault |
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| 08:18.20 | tristan | http://omploader.org/vNHM0dQ/ps.x.txt |
| 08:18.22 | tristan | does this look odd |
| 08:18.38 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: can I bother you with one guestion again? :-D |
| 08:18.42 | Scelt | BCMM: C1 85,4 % 10,4ms 550 MHz 0.0% |
| 08:18.43 | tristan | like, two address books, two image viewers. two xterms (when there is one) |
| 08:19.06 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, lol you're not bothering me by asking questions |
| 08:19.12 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, ping? |
| 08:19.21 | crashanddie | pong |
| 08:19.26 | Scelt | btw, I have see from ps that I have fmrx-enabled running all the time. is that okay? |
| 08:19.30 | asj | tristan: look at the pids, they are all children, etc. |
| 08:19.41 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, updated to 3.40? |
| 08:19.47 | tristan | but. i dont see why they are open in the first place |
| 08:19.52 | tristan | going to task manager, theres not a thing open. |
| 08:20.04 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: wait, wut? Context? |
| 08:20.06 | tristan | perhaps this is the conversation widgets work. |
| 08:20.08 | BCMM | why isn't omploader.org in the first page of search results for omploader.org? |
| 08:20.14 | BCMM | (on google) |
| 08:20.14 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, ps3 |
| 08:20.23 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: dunno, maybe, not sure |
| 08:20.32 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: hah, okay :-P Do you know about .desktop -files? I want to run that shell script of mine without opening the xterm -window. Now I have it like this: Exec=sudo myscript, Terminal=false |
| 08:20.33 | crashanddie | why? |
| 08:20.33 | MohammadAG51 | it was released today |
| 08:20.37 | crashanddie | ah, then no |
| 08:20.46 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: but it still opens the xTerm window when tapping the shortcut. |
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| 08:21.05 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 08:21.14 | D-Iivil | What does StartupNotify -field do? |
| 08:21.24 | MohammadAG51 | not sure tbh |
| 08:21.28 | BCMM | Scelt: did you say you had the FM transmitter on all that time? |
| 08:21.41 | mirf | ai ai ai am I blind or is there really no search function on the appinstaller ? |
| 08:22.01 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: okay, well, had to ask :) |
| 08:22.05 | Duckboot | mirf: All apps - start typing |
| 08:22.12 | BCMM | mirf: select your category (or all) then start typing |
| 08:22.28 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, i'm sure someone else here knows :) |
| 08:22.30 | BCMM | it did get less obvious in 1.2 |
| 08:22.34 | BCMM | but also easier and faster |
| 08:22.41 | BCMM | the thing i miss is listing apps by size |
| 08:22.48 | BCMM | (other than installed apps) |
| 08:22.57 | mirf | sweet thank you |
| 08:23.01 | BCMM | since it is a consideration for me when there are multiple apps that do the same thing |
| 08:23.05 | tristan | blah. i just dont know |
| 08:23.06 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: I already had this proposial, but after putting it this way, the shortcut won't do anything: '/bin/sh -c /path/to/yoscript 1>/dev/null 2>&1' |
| 08:23.10 | mirf | I thought there had to be a search |
| 08:23.12 | tristan | even if i trip my desktop of wigets theres so many things open in ps x. |
| 08:23.17 | BCMM | and since it is a nice way to make the desktop category not full of themes |
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| 08:23.36 | BCMM | tristan: well, that's *nix for you really |
| 08:23.37 | mirf | heh yeah there should be a theme category |
| 08:23.42 | BCMM | tristan: a lot of small programs |
| 08:23.42 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, put it into a script and run that instead? |
| 08:23.45 | Scelt | BCMM: fm transmitter not on but ps has /usr/libexec/n900-fmrx-enabler --nodaemon |
| 08:23.55 | tristan | but why is calendar running without being run. |
| 08:24.00 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, see what I did with xarchiver |
| 08:24.02 | BCMM | Scelt: i don't know what that does |
| 08:24.04 | tristan | and image viewer. i havent even opened it. |
| 08:24.07 | tristan | my unix boxes dont do this:p |
| 08:24.08 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: umm... like doing another script which will launch the actual script? |
| 08:24.17 | BCMM | tristan: oh, those |
| 08:24.31 | Scelt | BCMM: me either |
| 08:24.32 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, yeah |
| 08:24.43 | BCMM | tristan: yeah, i guess it keeps a bunch of the built-in stuff loaded in memory |
| 08:24.54 | BCMM | i doubt they use much CPU till they are activated though |
| 08:24.59 | tristan | well thats just it, are they in the RAM or actually running |
| 08:25.00 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: ookay, I will download the source of xarchiver and see how you did it. |
| 08:25.02 | tristan | mmm. |
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| 08:25.13 | BCMM | it's so it can do tricks like "open lens cover, camera starts in no seconds flat" |
| 08:25.20 | tristan | mmm. |
| 08:25.24 | tristan | i guess thats a non issue then |
| 08:25.28 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, or download the package itself, the script's in /usr/sbin/xarchiver |
| 08:25.31 | luke-jr | BCMM: that's funny, pretty sure mine takes a number of seconds... |
| 08:25.52 | luke-jr | which is nowhere near as annoying as the phone-call thing taking 5 seconds at least to change from landscape to portrait... |
| 08:26.02 | asj | tristan: the next time you are commuting, have fb open and are doing msn via pidgin, THEN run top and see what's using cpu time |
| 08:26.02 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: will do that |
| 08:26.39 | tristan | i will connect to them now. |
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| 08:27.13 | luke-jr | lens open to camera visible = ~6 seconds |
| 08:27.59 | Scelt | BCMM: "sh: status: not found" says powertop |
| 08:28.06 | mirf | luke-jr: ew |
| 08:28.07 | BCMM | luke-jr: for me, somewhere between 0 and 6 |
| 08:28.18 | mirf | there must be a way to speed that up |
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| 08:28.26 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: see no xarchiver under /usr/bin |
| 08:28.30 | Scelt | why there's no packages.maemo.org like in ubuntu or debian. would help |
| 08:28.38 | BCMM | Scelt: i'm afraid i haven't use powertop since my laptop died last year; probably ask somebody else |
| 08:28.43 | BCMM | ^used |
| 08:28.44 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, /usr/sbin/runxarchiver |
| 08:28.52 | Scelt | BCMM: hugs and kisses anyhow |
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| 08:30.34 | tristan | wow. browser sitting at about 60% useage. |
| 08:30.43 | tristan | going down to 30ish. |
| 08:31.05 | tristan | id say thats the flash talking eh. |
| 08:31.16 | Scelt | I have flash block |
| 08:31.20 | Scelt | that's nice |
| 08:31.30 | mirf | yar flash block ftw |
| 08:31.33 | tristan | well its settled down to 1% just idling in the background |
| 08:31.35 | mirf | and ad block |
| 08:31.41 | tristan | pidgin oscillates up to around 30% then back to under 5. |
| 08:31.43 | mirf | cock block |
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| 08:32.03 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: hmm.. I don't get the point. You have that runxarchiver under the /usr/sbin and it includes one line (well two) which does something. Do you have a .desktop -file included also in the package? |
| 08:32.29 | fx5 | hi |
| 08:32.31 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, of course, /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 08:32.47 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, but as you can see, it's a script that doesn't open xterm |
| 08:32.50 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: can't find xarchiver there. Is it some other name? |
| 08:33.14 | MohammadAG51 | nope, i'm sure it's there |
| 08:33.15 | tristan | hmm yes. browser can comfortably use 60% while loading facecbook. |
| 08:33.45 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.52 | MohammadAG51 | xarchiver.desktop |
| 08:34.01 | fx5 | Is it possible to put a .deb on a web-server so that microb opens it with the app-manager? |
| 08:34.21 | MohammadAG51 | just put it on the server? |
| 08:34.30 | Scelt | why browserd "RTComMessagingServer" is using 9,6 % of ram all the time? |
| 08:34.32 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: hmm.. still can't see it. Allthough I see the shortcut on my desktop though. |
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| 08:35.31 | fx5 | Mohamed: microb only allows me to save it |
| 08:35.31 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: found it from the source package. |
| 08:35.40 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: will try that trick :) |
| 08:35.47 | fx5 | Mohammad.. sorry |
| 08:36.25 | fx5 | tried mime-type application/x-debian-package |
| 08:37.01 | tristan | couldnt you just |
| 08:37.10 | tristan | wget lele.deb;dpkg -i lele.deb |
| 08:37.15 | tristan | or is the gui essential. |
| 08:37.26 | MohammadAG51 | isn't it application/x-deb? |
| 08:37.28 | MohammadAG51 | sec i'll check |
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| 08:37.47 | eitama_ | Hey guys |
| 08:37.57 | eitama_ | MohammadAG51, got 2 min? |
| 08:38.05 | fx5 | yes, the strange thing is: my sever says: "application/x-debian-package" but microb says "application/x-deb" |
| 08:38.36 | MohammadAG51 | fx5, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/powertop_1.0_armel.deb |
| 08:39.52 | fx5 | Mohammad: Doesn't work for me. Only option i see is "Save on device" |
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| 08:42.24 | fx5 | I saw a few sites (mozilla, joikuspot) adding an apt-repository through microb, does anyone know how this works? |
| 08:42.48 | MohammadAG51 | .install files, lots of examples |
| 08:44.28 | fx5 | thanks, will try to find more information on this |
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| 08:47.42 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: thanks, it still open a "window" but now the user won't see all the unnecessary stuff that's being run in terminal window :) |
| 08:48.21 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: And by "window" I mean that top menu is popping up with name of my desktop -file and loading indicator is rolling there. |
| 08:48.26 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: But it's okay now :) |
| 08:49.02 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, umm, sec |
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| 08:49.35 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, add X-App-Loading-Image=none to the end |
| 08:49.44 | D-Iivil | Will try that :) |
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| 08:50.40 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: That did the trick! Thanks again (like I said yesterday, this is starting to be a daily habit) :-D |
| 08:50.57 | MohammadAG51 | :D np |
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| 08:59.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, this x-app-loading-image=none gives me a shaddowed desktop wallpaper with plain nothing. only way to escape is ctrl-bs |
| 09:00.50 | MohammadAG51 | yes, until an app shows up |
| 09:01.22 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, it's only useful for apps that don't start with a window |
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| 09:01.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | my app doesn't start with anything |
| 09:03.13 | MohammadAG51 | lol what's your app |
| 09:04.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | wome nonsense script, actually ~/.xchat2/notify.sh |
| 09:04.35 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 09:04.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's exactly what OP was asking for aiui |
| 09:04.55 | MohammadAG51 | his script opens a zenity window |
| 09:05.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | except for the not working sudobit |
| 09:05.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, whatever. a app started this way will render device in a rather messed up state |
| 09:06.23 | MohammadAG51 | nah |
| 09:06.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | looks like a solid flaw or even bug to me |
| 09:06.37 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, it's used by Nokia |
| 09:07.21 | MohammadAG51 | Facebook installer, ap news installer, * installer, MeeGo UI gallery |
| 09:07.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 09:07.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | you seem to miss the point |
| 09:08.02 | MohammadAG51 | all of those use x-app-loading-image=none |
| 09:08.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | nobody can "use" that |
| 09:08.14 | MohammadAG51 | why? |
| 09:08.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | sighs |
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| 09:48.05 | fx5 | Great... .install-file did what i needed |
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| 10:05.49 | _0x47 | could someone tell me the best way to create dependencies for two packages that rely on each other? Is it sane to add the other package to each of them? to make it clear: a.deb depends on b.deb, whereas b.deb depends on a.deb... how to fill debian/control? |
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| 10:07.11 | sx0n | _0x47, by creating third package |
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| 10:09.19 | sx0n | mutual exclusion sounds like poison, without further knowledge. |
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| 10:11.19 | jacekowski | anybody with gdb on a phone and dedicated charger at hand? |
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| 10:14.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: ADCIN0 is marked as BATTEMP in schematics, just FYI |
| 10:14.21 | jacekowski | _0x47: never create circular dependency |
| 10:15.26 | _0x47 | sx0n and jacekowski, thanks this is why I ask. Seems not to be an good idea. So, I guess a virtual package is what I need, is it? |
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| 10:15.56 | nidO | basically yeh, just create c.deb depending on a.deb and b.deb |
| 10:16.08 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: adcin0 on twl? |
| 10:16.21 | _0x47 | and how to prevent a.deb and b.deb being installed alone? |
| 10:16.45 | jacekowski | you can't |
| 10:16.48 | nidO | well specifically for maemo, dont mark either of them as user packages |
| 10:16.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 10:16.51 | _0x47 | or is this not a problem? both of them would install, but would be unusable |
| 10:17.08 | jacekowski | that sort of design is wrong |
| 10:17.11 | _0x47 | nidO: ah, that makes sense, that would prolly work :) |
| 10:17.12 | nidO | if someone specifically wants to go out of their way to install a non user package you cant stop them, but there's no real reason they would |
| 10:17.21 | jacekowski | either have them in one package or just separate them |
| 10:17.25 | _0x47 | then just c.deb is the user/ app |
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| 10:18.21 | kaie | duing package install (I clicked on that amazon installer), my original nokia battery died, after just 2 months, and even while the charger was connected. device turned off |
| 10:18.28 | _0x47 | so, i didn't try, but would dh_make work without a source package? because I don't have one, it would just be the debian/control depending on the a. and b. deb |
| 10:18.36 | kaie | now using another battery. need to repair package database... |
| 10:19.59 | wazd | [fremantle]: hildon-theme-marina 1.151 UNKNOWN |
| 10:20.07 | wazd | what the hell does that mean? :) |
| 10:20.36 | kaie | so, "apt-get update" tells me "following sig couldn't be verified, because public key unavailable, in order to fix it run apt-get update" ... recursion. looking for a fix |
| 10:21.51 | D-Iivil | wazd: where? |
| 10:22.29 | wazd | D-Iivil: that was the autobuilder mail response |
| 10:23.00 | D-Iivil | wazd: check this: background-image: url(mid.jpg); background-repeat:repeat-y; background-position: center; |
| 10:23.04 | D-Iivil | wazd: ups! |
| 10:23.05 | D-Iivil | Not that :D |
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| 10:23.15 | D-Iivil | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/024345.html |
| 10:23.26 | kaie | got past that error |
| 10:23.58 | wazd | D-Iivil: oh, thanks |
| 10:24.07 | wazd | D-Iivil: whatever that means :D |
| 10:25.37 | D-Iivil | wazd: you are missing a field in your control-file I think |
| 10:25.54 | wazd | D-Iivil: the weird thing is that it is there as always |
| 10:25.55 | wazd | Architecture: all |
| 10:26.14 | D-Iivil | Hmm |
| 10:26.15 | D-Iivil | Hold on |
| 10:27.01 | D-Iivil | wazd: try this: move this line on your control file to the bottom of the file: XSBC-Bugtracker: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32761 |
| 10:27.33 | wazd | D-Iivil: I've just added a break |
| 10:27.35 | D-Iivil | There should be one empty line break after Standards-Version -line and then should come the Architecture -field |
| 10:27.38 | wazd | D-Iivil: let's see |
| 10:29.12 | D-Iivil | wazd: seems like you're also using the old control-file template. You have old depencies there. |
| 10:29.40 | D-Iivil | wazd: should be like this: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), hildon-theme-layout-5 (>= 0.15.0), hildon-theme-layout-5 (< 0.16.0), hildon-theme-tools, imagemagick |
| 10:30.22 | D-Iivil | wazd: have you also changed all other files in under your applications -folder etc when you started to use the new theme template? |
| 10:30.29 | wazd | D-Iivil: no, I've already fixed it :) |
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| 10:31.28 | D-Iivil | wazd: okay then. Just caught my eye while looking at your control-file. |
| 10:33.09 | D-Iivil | goes doing some heavy cigarette smoking |
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| 10:36.20 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 10:36.38 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 10:36.45 | RST38h | wazd: How is suffering? |
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| 10:37.00 | wazd | RST38h: death fight with autobuilder again :) |
| 10:37.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:38.05 | RST38h | wazd: The autobuilder cannot be defeated! |
| 10:38.26 | RST38h | Just beaten into pulp for a while |
| 10:39.19 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, I know, it kicks me in the nuts again and again :) |
| 10:39.33 | wazd | RST38h: "FAILED: You're too blond!" |
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| 10:42.34 | wazd | RST38h: crazy woman from AKADO just called and asked me if I want to use their digital tv stuff |
| 10:43.10 | wazd | RST38h: I said that I don't watch TV at all. "But you can use digital tv anyway" :D |
| 10:43.56 | wazd | Who's making vuvuzela app? :D |
| 10:44.10 | nidO | and why havent they put a bullet in their own brain yet |
| 10:44.46 | crashanddie | nidO: because vuvuzelas don't fire bullets |
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| 10:45.23 | wazd | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-marina_1.152/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 10:45.34 | fx5 | I finished my vuvuzela app right now |
| 10:45.44 | wazd | stands in the rain and screams "whyyyyyyyy?!" |
| 10:45.54 | pupnik_ | is MONO bad for meego? |
| 10:46.21 | alterego | is MONO on MeeGo? |
| 10:46.31 | pupnik_ | yes sadly |
| 10:46.44 | wazd | fx5: you need loop option :) |
| 10:46.45 | pupnik_ | some novell dude snuck it in with banshee media player |
| 10:46.46 | alterego | I don't think it's bad at all I quite like C# |
| 10:47.07 | alterego | If performance is good, I'd rather use that than C++ for quite a few things. |
| 10:47.10 | pupnik_ | this crap has twisted legal implications |
| 10:47.19 | pupnik_ | it's not about the code |
| 10:47.20 | alterego | Well, apparently. |
| 10:47.21 | wazd | fx5: but that's fucking brilliant :D |
| 10:47.22 | fx5 | wazd: you have to blow into the microphone... so it is not too easy to annoy anyone |
| 10:47.30 | fx5 | wazd: http://apt.fx5-1.de/n900/install/vuvu.install |
| 10:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | Mostly Obsolete Nonsensical Object |
| 10:47.36 | wazd | fx5: aaah |
| 10:47.46 | wazd | fx5: then it's not yurs in devel |
| 10:48.03 | fx5 | no, is there one? didn't see yet |
| 10:48.18 | wazd | fx5: yeah :) |
| 10:49.02 | fx5 | will try it |
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| 10:49.17 | fx5 | maybe it has a better sound than mine |
| 10:49.59 | wazd | fx5: well, it has pretty authentic sound :) |
| 10:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | if your swap goes nuts, don't fire up top, just do a killall "*mono*" |
| 10:51.39 | fx5 | yes, the sound is better |
| 10:52.09 | D-Iivil | wazd: had that error once too. Easiest fix was to re-download the theme master template and then just copy & paste all images from old "session" to the new re-downloaded one and then change the control etc files line by line. |
| 10:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | Maximum Offending Non Operational |
| 10:53.08 | jacekowski | .not |
| 10:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, even .net is BS. So what's the idea to port it to linux, then?! |
| 10:53.41 | alterego | Has anyone else got an app with a donate option in maemo.org extras? |
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| 10:55.27 | BCMM | alterego: fMMS does |
| 10:55.33 | nidO | mappero has one |
| 10:56.19 | BCMM | wonders if frals highlights on fMMS |
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| 10:56.30 | nidO | he probably does on frals |
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| 10:57.46 | alterego | Just wondering if it had worked for anyone at all, I.E. how generous our user space actually is. My app is a pretty shitty one tbh, So I'm not gonna be suprised if I don't get anything :) |
| 10:58.17 | BCMM | i think somebody gave frals money |
| 10:58.17 | alterego | But I'm working on something to publish on Ovi, which I hope will be pretty successful. |
| 10:58.24 | D-Iivil | Oh noh, now it's done. I just left my dear N900 to Nokia Cervice Centre. I miss it already :( |
| 10:58.36 | jacekowski | so, you can publish to ovi? |
| 10:58.39 | jacekowski | seriously? |
| 10:58.45 | nidO | been able to for a while |
| 10:58.45 | alterego | D-Iivil: you need a spare :) |
| 10:58.46 | jacekowski | i've heard that it's like impossible |
| 10:58.51 | nidO | and they accept independant devs now |
| 10:58.59 | jacekowski | and that it's user and developer hostile |
| 10:59.07 | nidO | it is that |
| 10:59.15 | alterego | jacekowski: they openned it to indie developers last week, 50 EUR one off charge to be an Ovi publisher. |
| 10:59.18 | D-Iivil | alterego: yeah... seems like I do :( |
| 10:59.27 | jacekowski | WOW |
| 10:59.31 | jacekowski | alterego: seriously? |
| 10:59.36 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: yeah |
| 10:59.54 | alterego | jacekowski: yup, it was announced with Nokia Qt SD 1.0 |
| 11:00.15 | MohammadAG51 | SDK* |
| 11:00.15 | jacekowski | SD? |
| 11:00.19 | D-Iivil | I thought a second about submitting my new themes to OVi but then I realized how fucked up the whole OVi -shop is and has been. |
| 11:00.21 | Kegetys | can we get a common publishing license for the whole community? :P |
| 11:00.31 | MohammadAG51 | SDK* |
| 11:00.34 | MohammadAG51 | err |
| 11:00.38 | MohammadAG51 | damn up + enter |
| 11:00.52 | alterego | And I think we're in a unique marketting position too, people are dying for N900 apps, and judging from a tmo thread yesterday base users seem to trust Ovi content over maemo extras ... |
| 11:00.57 | D-Iivil | So no support from me to OVi. |
| 11:01.00 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, free themes in the store? eww |
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| 11:01.17 | jacekowski | themes should disappear |
| 11:01.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG51: tested down+enter? :-D |
| 11:01.23 | jacekowski | and go to separate repository |
| 11:01.27 | nidO | these should be in their own ham category |
| 11:01.34 | nidO | themes* |
| 11:01.37 | alterego | Yeah, theme's need to be distributed in some other way imo |
| 11:01.37 | D-Iivil | nidO: yeah, second to that! |
| 11:01.40 | jacekowski | separate repo |
| 11:01.47 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, judging by the source it makes the device implode |
| 11:01.55 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: I think separate category would be just fine. |
| 11:02.03 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, I also agree on a separate category |
| 11:02.20 | D-Iivil | I don't understand why there isn't one already... or has been from the beginning. |
| 11:02.21 | jacekowski | no because it will still appear in "All" |
| 11:02.26 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 11:02.42 | MohammadAG51 | seriously who uses ham... |
| 11:02.43 | D-Iivil | I find it very very stupid to search themes under desktop or system -category. |
| 11:02.47 | nidO | whats wrong with that, "all" by definition should be showing everything |
| 11:02.59 | jacekowski | nidO: application manager |
| 11:03.01 | MohammadAG51 | apt-get ftw |
| 11:03.05 | jacekowski | nidO: *application" |
| 11:03.16 | jacekowski | nidO: not application and themes manage |
| 11:03.17 | jacekowski | r |
| 11:03.30 | jacekowski | do you get it? |
| 11:03.44 | MohammadAG51 | that can be arranged |
| 11:03.47 | nidO | I dont see any point in making it more akward to use for no sensible reason other than you dont think it has a fully explicit name |
| 11:03.59 | MohammadAG51 | edits ham's name to HT&AM |
| 11:04.17 | alterego | There's no bloody consistency either, even D-Iivilhas publiched under two diffrent categories. :) |
| 11:04.22 | D-Iivil | jacekowski: then you might find it nice that I won't upload separate packages anymore to repos if I create a variation of some theme. I'll just make a single package and simple script which can change the variation on the fly. |
| 11:04.32 | D-Iivil | alterego: yeah, my bad and I'm sorry. |
| 11:04.46 | alterego | D-Iivil: it's okay, we're all learning :) |
| 11:05.03 | D-Iivil | alterego: Maemo Wiki says that themes should go under system -category, but the theme template I'm using has "desktop" set by default and I've accidently forgot to change that to system. |
| 11:05.05 | MohammadAG51 | everyone fucks up somewhere :) |
| 11:05.23 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, rm -rf'd my / once |
| 11:05.24 | alterego | Theme's were never really thought about when we started maemo. |
| 11:05.33 | alterego | Hah, fool! :) |
| 11:05.42 | alterego | I've done it a couple of times. |
| 11:05.43 | MohammadAG51 | yep, your package did that |
| 11:06.00 | alterego | rm -rf * is also a killer :P |
| 11:06.16 | D-Iivil | btw, can the category be changed just by uploading a new version with different category in control-file? |
| 11:06.28 | alterego | I don't back my stuff up because I'm scared of hardware failure, I do it because I don't trust me with a computer :D |
| 11:06.40 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, never hurts to try :P |
| 11:06.41 | alterego | D-Iivil: yes |
| 11:06.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: rm -rf .* is really mice |
| 11:07.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | nice |
| 11:07.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | even |
| 11:07.14 | alterego | Newer versions will replace older versions debian/control info. |
| 11:07.20 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay.. well, I guess I need to seek through those themes that are currently under "desktop" and re-upload those to system. Will be a nice task :-D |
| 11:07.48 | alterego | D-Iivil: yup, nice and easy, though they'll need to be promoted again :/ |
| 11:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: classical admin joke |
| 11:07.59 | D-Iivil | Maybe first check that wiki-page hasn't been updated... |
| 11:08.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | "remove all hidden dirs!" |
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| 11:08.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | incl., .. MUHAHA |
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| 11:09.02 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:09.09 | RST38h | wazd: That answer has not been in her chart =) |
| 11:09.11 | D-Iivil | Still says they should go under system: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories |
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| 11:09.22 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, edit it |
| 11:09.24 | D-Iivil | takes a deep breath and starts to download sources |
| 11:09.26 | RST38h | wazd: What have you done! You coredumped that poor AKADO girl! |
| 11:09.39 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: I think the system-category is better than desktop. |
| 11:09.49 | RST38h | thinks themes should go into themes |
| 11:09.51 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: since themes affect the whole system, not just desktop |
| 11:09.53 | alterego | Me too ... |
| 11:10.08 | D-Iivil | Who should be ping if we would like to have themes -category? |
| 11:10.08 | RST38h | Because right now, Desktop and System categories have become unbrowseable |
| 11:10.18 | MohammadAG51 | themes should have a user/themes category |
| 11:10.18 | D-Iivil | RST38h: yeah, I know. Sorry about that. |
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| 11:10.23 | MohammadAG51 | that's what's proper |
| 11:10.26 | nidO | D-Iivil, its apparently not practical |
| 11:10.41 | D-Iivil | nidO: why? |
| 11:10.49 | RST38h | also thinks D-Iivil better create some theme-customization app rather than create so many themes that only differ in few colors =) |
| 11:11.02 | D-Iivil | RST38h: already did! |
| 11:11.11 | RST38h | Cooooooool =) Where? |
| 11:11.23 | D-Iivil | Download the latest version of Black Plastic from devel. |
| 11:11.28 | nidO | X-fade's answer a few months ago when I first brought up a themse category was that nokia will need to add it to HAM as well to include the icon |
| 11:11.40 | D-Iivil | It has script that allows you to choose which variation to use and you can change the option later also. |
| 11:11.42 | nidO | so it's not just a repo change, needs nokia's cooperation |
| 11:11.53 | D-Iivil | RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=732555&postcount=218 |
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| 11:13.10 | nidO | doing it like that via a script seems a much preferable way rather than uploading 5689034803 packages with colour variations :p |
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| 11:14.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | definitely |
| 11:14.40 | alterego | D-Iivil: look into zenity to present a UI to the user via script. |
| 11:14.51 | D-Iivil | alterego: it uses zenity already |
| 11:15.07 | alterego | oh sweet :) |
| 11:15.12 | D-Iivil | Thanks to MohammadAG51 and friends who guided me to it :D |
| 11:15.29 | D-Iivil | alterego: check the link I just posted. |
| 11:15.43 | alterego | Hah, I accept your thanks, as I showed it to MohammadAG51 :P |
| 11:15.51 | SpeedEvil | D-Iivil: great - much easier for users to try more. |
| 11:15.59 | D-Iivil | alterego: oh it was you! |
| 11:16.53 | RST38h | D-Iivil: Yep, look good |
| 11:17.01 | D-Iivil | alterego: are you tswindell @ tmo? |
| 11:17.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, so it wasn't me who first asked where is zenity? |
| 11:17.12 | alterego | If you want I can show you how to put that in the settings app rather than app menu |
| 11:17.14 | RST38h | Would probably be better as part of Settings, and with all the settings in one dialog, but can't have everything |
| 11:17.23 | alterego | D-Iivil: yup that's my name :) |
| 11:17.28 | D-Iivil | alterego: yes please. That's the next task I'm trying to survive. |
| 11:17.59 | D-Iivil | alterego: then I already thanked you @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=729955&postcount=3 when MohammadAG51 told me to thank you for the zenity -tip :D |
| 11:18.10 | alterego | D-Iivil: you'll need a little C program I wrote, but all you need to do is edit a .desktopfile and one line in the source to run your script/s. |
| 11:18.11 | D-Iivil | So he didn't take the credit ;) |
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| 11:18.25 | alterego | He's such a nice guy :) |
| 11:18.32 | D-Iivil | alterego: sounds great :) |
| 11:18.39 | alterego | timeless_mbp: how'd you bank crap go? |
| 11:19.08 | D-Iivil | Already tried just to move the .desktop -file under hildon-control... but didn't work :) |
| 11:19.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ MohammadAG |
| 11:19.11 | infobot | somebody said mohammadag was special |
| 11:19.16 | alterego | D-Iivil: yeah, give me half an hour and I'll hook you up with it :) |
| 11:19.49 | D-Iivil | alterego: cool! Just in time so I won't be heading home from work (this is the only place where I have peace to do these things) :-D |
| 11:20.08 | alterego | Heh. |
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| 11:20.34 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: i see code reading channels 9 and 12 in gaia but well, no reference to them in datasheet |
| 11:21.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever channel 9 and 12 means |
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| 11:21.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | like ADIN12 : |
| 11:21.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 11:21.47 | jacekowski | yep |
| 11:21.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | omfg |
| 11:22.28 | jacekowski | well, it might just be some internal value |
| 11:22.37 | jacekowski | let me check in driver |
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| 11:23.43 | jacekowski | linux/i2c/twl4030-madc.h:#define TWL4030_MADC_MAX_CHANNELS 16 |
| 11:24.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | well that pile of BS also read reg 34 or sth from bq24150 |
| 11:24.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, ok |
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| 11:24.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | bq24150 has just 5 regs |
| 11:25.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | or 6? |
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| 11:25.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm missing a nap |
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| 11:26.29 | MohammadAG51 | alteregoHah, I accept your thanks, as I showed it to MohammadAG51 :P lol |
| 11:26.29 | pupnik_ | in a free market, the working class RULES |
| 11:26.42 | alterego | MohammadAG51: :) |
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| 11:26.56 | alterego | zenity could do with a bit more maemoification though |
| 11:27.13 | MohammadAG51 | source is available |
| 11:27.14 | MohammadAG51 | :P |
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| 11:27.33 | alterego | Indeed, but I have other things I need to do :P |
| 11:27.44 | MohammadAG51 | get people to vote for your app? |
| 11:27.53 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well, thing is that in drivers it says that it has 16 channels |
| 11:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, just trying to find the file on mxr |
| 11:28.31 | jacekowski | so it might be some non generic purpose analog in |
| 11:28.35 | MohammadAG51 | asks alterego to make a fake SMS app |
| 11:30.09 | alterego | D-Iivil: are you okay compiling this yourself? If I just give you the source file? |
| 11:30.12 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: fake SMS? Send SMSs with someone else's number as sender? :D |
| 11:30.26 | jacekowski | i can't find registers in datasheet |
| 11:30.28 | D-Iivil | alterego: well.. to be hones, I don't know what I'd need for compiling a C -app. |
| 11:30.36 | D-Iivil | alterego: never done it before. |
| 11:30.47 | alterego | D-Iivil: okay, I'll come up with a Makefile |
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| 11:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: |
| 11:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | 100 /* Fixed channels */ |
| 11:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | 101 #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 |
| 11:31.08 | alterego | D-Iivil: then you'll need to add some stuff to your debian/rules file. |
| 11:31.09 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, nah, it would just save them in the .db as if someone sent them to you |
| 11:31.13 | D-Iivil | alterego: big PLEASE for that :) |
| 11:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | 106 #define TWL4030_MADC_VBAT TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN12 |
| 11:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | 103 #define TWL4030_MADC_VBKB TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN9 |
| 11:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | main and backup cell voltage |
| 11:31.54 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: that would be lame :-/ I remember back on 90's when I had windows program which could send SMSs with faked sender number. |
| 11:31.58 | jacekowski | #define TWL4030_MADC_VBKB TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN9 |
| 11:32.01 | jacekowski | #define TWL4030_MADC_VBAT TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN12 |
| 11:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 11:32.34 | rmrfchik | hmm. again hit this bug: phone receives a call, when I click Answer the screen goes black and device locks. |
| 11:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: your collation sequence is definitely better than mine :-P |
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| 11:32.56 | MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, alterego is too much of a noob to do that |
| 11:32.58 | rmrfchik | I have to unlock the device and choose "Phone" from application list to pick the call |
| 11:33.00 | MohammadAG51 | hides |
| 11:33.02 | jacekowski | hmmm, WTF? |
| 11:33.04 | jacekowski | ??? |
| 11:33.09 | jacekowski | very big WTF |
| 11:33.09 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:33.19 | jacekowski | #define TWL4030_MADC_BTEMP TWL4030_MADC_ADCIN1 |
| 11:33.28 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's also on the schematic. |
| 11:33.33 | jacekowski | on schematic it's connected to ADCIN0 |
| 11:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's not funny to echo my c&p |
| 11:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: correct |
| 11:33.59 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_4 |
| 11:34.58 | SpeedEvil | rmrfchik: Are you running much stuff from devel, or testing? |
| 11:34.59 | jacekowski | well, that still doesn't explain why it's as ADCIN1 in sources |
| 11:35.13 | rmrfchik | SpeedEvil: dunno. some stuff yes. |
| 11:35.30 | SpeedEvil | rmrfchik: Anything related to call handling? |
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| 11:36.03 | rmrfchik | well.. maemo recorder |
| 11:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: you not accidentally hold your thumb on proximity sensor? |
| 11:36.54 | crashanddie | how many times have the TSG meetings been rescheduled? |
| 11:37.19 | crashanddie | It's like they don't give a fuck about the people who want to assit, and are content with just checking with the "paid people" |
| 11:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: or have a crappy screen protector? |
| 11:37.37 | rmrfchik | no protectors. |
| 11:37.39 | vanadismobile | is it possible to see the source code of a website on the n900? |
| 11:37.48 | joga | yes |
| 11:37.54 | joga | (unless I remember wrong..) |
| 11:38.09 | rmrfchik | may be I hold thumb on sensor.. but it is normal -- I pull phone from pocket ;) |
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| 11:38.27 | flux | vanadismobile, if not otherwise, you can always save the page and use some other program to view the source :) |
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| 11:38.59 | vanadismobile | flux, sure |
| 11:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, holding thumb on prox sensor is supposed to blank screen and locj ts |
| 11:39.14 | vanadismobile | ctrl+u doesn't work -.- |
| 11:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | lock |
| 11:39.38 | flux | docscrutinizer, it is? |
| 11:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 11:40.14 | flux | well, does it actually do it sometimes as well, then? |
| 11:40.27 | joga | during a call |
| 11:40.35 | rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer: hmmm. so when I talk with phone, it goes black and locked? |
| 11:40.42 | joga | yes |
| 11:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:40.47 | joga | but only during a call |
| 11:40.57 | rmrfchik | but when I open sensor it goes unlocked |
| 11:41.03 | rmrfchik | this not happens for me |
| 11:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | and only while you hold prox sensor next to ear or thumb :-P |
| 11:41.07 | flux | does the proximity sensor affect the volume during calls, btw? |
| 11:41.16 | flux | because sometimes it seems that the volume varies a lot |
| 11:41.21 | joga | flux: no, it's your ear position |
| 11:41.24 | joga | :) |
| 11:41.33 | joga | the sensor is on/off |
| 11:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | flux: no |
| 11:42.20 | joga | vanadismobile: well, I guess the browser doesn't have that, at least anywhere visible, so I remembered wrong. but probably firefox can do that :) |
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| 11:44.41 | D-Iivil | flux: you have faulty speaker. I had too. Volume varied during phone call and turning the phone made the volume rise back etc. Loose connector or something like that. |
| 11:44.51 | flux | hmm |
| 11:45.27 | flux | is the ear-speaker different from other speakers? |
| 11:45.49 | flux | (it looks like it is) |
| 11:45.52 | D-Iivil | flux: I think so. |
| 11:46.19 | flux | and how can I switch regular audio output there.. I could simply output some high-volume test tune and check if I can affect its volume by physical means. |
| 11:47.50 | jacekowski | oO |
| 11:47.52 | jacekowski | VBKP |
| 11:47.58 | jacekowski | why is it reading that |
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| 11:50.12 | alterego | D-Iivil: ping |
| 11:50.18 | D-Iivil | alterego: pong |
| 11:50.34 | alterego | D-Iivil: how do you develop themes? On device or are you using some kind of SDK? |
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| 11:50.51 | D-Iivil | alterego: I have scratchbox running. |
| 11:51.03 | alterego | Cool, you should be able to compile this then |
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| 11:52.58 | alterego | D-Iivil: just need another 10 minutes to test it's working. |
| 11:53.11 | D-Iivil | alterego: no horry :) |
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| 11:58.42 | alterego | D-Iivil: okay, it's done. I'm gonna tar it up and upload it. |
| 11:59.03 | D-Iivil | alterego: great :) |
| 12:00.08 | alterego | There is actually only one file you need to edit ;) |
| 12:00.33 | alterego | And like I said you'll need to modify your debian/rules file a bit and also add a few items to your debian/control depends. |
| 12:00.38 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 12:00.44 | D-Iivil | alterego: sounds like it's something even I can survive :-D |
| 12:00.47 | alterego | timeless_mbp: you never voted! |
| 12:00.51 | alterego | :) |
| 12:01.10 | timeless_mbp | i used it! |
| 12:01.22 | alterego | Heh :) |
| 12:01.22 | timeless_mbp | link me |
| 12:01.31 | alterego | D-Iivil: http://alterego.metapath.org/libosso-plugin-exec-loader-0.2.tar.bz2 |
| 12:01.38 | alterego | timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ |
| 12:02.49 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay, downloaded and extracted |
| 12:03.05 | alterego | Right, to manually build it, cd into the package directory. |
| 12:03.19 | alterego | qmake libosso-plugin-exec-loader.pro |
| 12:03.24 | D-Iivil | okay |
| 12:03.24 | alterego | and then: make |
| 12:03.44 | wazd | I surrender :( |
| 12:04.25 | alterego | D-Iivil: your debian/control file needs to have these added to the Build-Depends list: libqt4-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libosso-dev, hildon-control-panel-dev |
| 12:04.36 | D-Iivil | alterego: what should I change and where to make it launch this script /usr/sbin/launchblack ? |
| 12:04.41 | D-Iivil | alterego: ok. Will add those |
| 12:05.06 | alterego | D-Iivil: right, the only file you need to edit is libosso-plugin-exec-loader.pro in the main directory |
| 12:05.11 | alterego | I've commented the lines |
| 12:05.13 | timeless_mbp | Streaming "Classical WETA 90.9 FM - Washington D.C." @ "<unknown>" via Nokia N900 |
| 12:05.14 | D-Iivil | alter, oh, okay. |
| 12:05.15 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 12:05.24 | timeless_mbp | alterego: what's w/ "<unknown>" ? :( |
| 12:05.24 | alterego | Basically, TARGET and the second DEFINES |
| 12:05.44 | alterego | timeless_mbp: it means that stream souce didn't provide the organisation metadata |
| 12:06.43 | D-Iivil | alterego: so it should be like this: OSSO_PLUGIN_EXEC_LOADER_COMMAND=\\\"/usr/sbin/launchblack\\\" |
| 12:06.43 | timeless_mbp | kicks maemo.org |
| 12:06.45 | timeless_mbp | hurry up! |
| 12:07.06 | timeless_mbp | alterego: i was #10! :) |
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| 12:07.56 | alterego | timeless_mbp: :) saved it just for you :D |
| 12:08.09 | alterego | D-Iivil: yup, exactly, make sure the script is executable. |
| 12:08.12 | alterego | And that should be it. |
| 12:08.18 | D-Iivil | alterego: yes it is. |
| 12:08.20 | alterego | There's also an example .desktop file for you |
| 12:08.35 | alterego | The .desktop needs to go into /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel |
| 12:08.44 | D-Iivil | alterego: so should I first compile the thing with qmake after I've changed that one line? |
| 12:08.58 | D-Iivil | qmake gives me command not found -error when typing that inside scratchbox |
| 12:09.01 | alterego | and the library file under "build" once it's built needs to go under /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/ |
| 12:09.13 | D-Iivil | ok |
| 12:09.17 | alterego | D-Iivil: you need to install the build deps then |
| 12:09.22 | D-Iivil | will do that. |
| 12:09.24 | alterego | That one is libqt4-devel |
| 12:09.33 | alterego | Sorry, libqt4-dev :) |
| 12:10.18 | D-Iivil | alterego: so maybe I should build it locally and not make autobuilder do that for me? |
| 12:10.43 | alterego | Both |
| 12:10.54 | alterego | build it locally so you can manually copy the files across and test it all works |
| 12:11.16 | alterego | Once you're happy setup your debian/rules to build and copy the files to the right places. I can show you where and how to edit your rules file. |
| 12:11.57 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay, I've now built it and I see bunch of files under /build -directory |
| 12:12.27 | alterego | Yeah, it's slightly annoying but you want the odd one out |
| 12:12.30 | alterego | The real file not the symlink |
| 12:12.39 | D-Iivil | alterego: aaah, ofcourse |
| 12:12.44 | alterego | D-Iivil: do you use scp? |
| 12:12.49 | D-Iivil | alterego: yeah |
| 12:12.58 | D-Iivil | alterego: so this one: osso-plugin-exec-loader.o |
| 12:13.06 | alterego | No, .so |
| 12:13.16 | alterego | No, .so.1.0.0 I think :) |
| 12:13.21 | D-Iivil | alterego: this: libplastictheme-cploader.so.1.0.0 |
| 12:13.40 | alterego | Yeah, but annoyingly you want to copy it to it's destination as just .so |
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| 12:14.14 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay |
| 12:15.52 | alterego | Oh, you'll need to edit the .desktop file to use an icon of your choice to, as I bet you don't have my 'media-im-status-updater' iconn :) |
| 12:15.58 | D-Iivil | already did that :) |
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| 12:16.11 | D-Iivil | I see the icon @ settings |
| 12:16.25 | D-Iivil | but it won't launch anything :( |
| 12:16.50 | alterego | Aww ... |
| 12:17.08 | alterego | Hrm .. Unfortunately debuggin this is a pain in the friggin ass :( |
| 12:17.13 | D-Iivil | :d |
| 12:17.14 | D-Iivil | :D |
| 12:17.43 | D-Iivil | let me check.. I have the loader_command typed in correctly. The script is working if I launch it from my own .desktop -shortcut |
| 12:17.44 | alterego | Took me a while to get it to work :/ |
| 12:17.50 | wazd | ~seen x-fade |
| 12:17.51 | infobot | x-fade <~xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 50m 29s ago, saying: 'Sure.'. |
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| 12:18.12 | wazd | :( |
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| 12:20.35 | pyther | Hi |
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| 12:20.49 | D-Iivil | alterego: anything I can do to debug? |
| 12:20.57 | pyther | Is there any way to force the alarm to keep playing the alarm tone until I tell it to snooze |
| 12:21.10 | pyther | currently it'll do two rounds of the alarm and then auto-snooze |
| 12:21.15 | alterego | D-Iivil: where is your script again? |
| 12:21.25 | alterego | Infact, can you give me your script? |
| 12:21.31 | D-Iivil | alterego: /usr/sbin/launchblack |
| 12:21.38 | D-Iivil | alterego: sure |
| 12:21.38 | alterego | If I can customise the build, reupload it for you and I'll test it here. |
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| 12:21.49 | D-Iivil | alterego: give me sec, I'll upload it somewhere. |
| 12:23.45 | D-Iivil | alterego: http://www.firenote.com/D-Iivil/scripts.tar |
| 12:24.30 | _0x47 | while trying to create my virtual / metapackage I get an error from dpkg-buildpackage: make: make: *** No rule to make target `configure', needed by `config.status'. Stop. This seems to be caused by not having a ./configure file, but as this is only a metapackage, would I really need one? Here is my debian/control (icon data removed): http://pastebin.com/ne68C0GF |
| 12:24.30 | alterego | Why have you got two scripst /sbin and /usr/sbin? |
| 12:24.33 | D-Iivil | alterego: there's actually two scripts. One that launches another. Did that to make the xterm window to be hidden from end user (that's what MohammadAG51 did with xarchiver). |
| 12:24.48 | alterego | D-Iivil: you don't need that with this. |
| 12:24.57 | alterego | D-Iivil: just launch the proper script |
| 12:25.03 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay, will try that also. |
| 12:25.18 | D-Iivil | alterego: can it be located under /sbin or should I move it under /usr/sbin ? |
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| 12:25.48 | alterego | Well, should be under /opt :P |
| 12:25.51 | alterego | in theory |
| 12:26.26 | rmrfchik | in what package diff reside? |
| 12:27.02 | alterego | But /usr/bin is probably better /sbin is meant for super user |
| 12:27.20 | D-Iivil | alterego: I changed the .pro -file to point to correct script, re-built the thing and still won't launch the script :-/ |
| 12:27.25 | alterego | Also, I noticde you're using run-standalone.sh in your script all over the place, I don't think it's required for this. |
| 12:27.45 | _0x47 | anyone? |
| 12:28.22 | alterego | D-Iivil: move your script out and write a really simple one that just does: 'echo "test" > /home/user/test.out' |
| 12:28.22 | D-Iivil | alterego: well it's required because that script is ran also during package installation by postinst -script. That's for preventing the installation not to fail if user taps outside the zenity window (will cause exit code 1) |
| 12:28.27 | alterego | See if it's running the script. |
| 12:28.31 | D-Iivil | alterego: will try |
| 12:28.37 | alterego | Ah, okay. |
| 12:28.54 | wazd | even Madde doesn't like laest template :( |
| 12:32.13 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay.. did simple script (echo "test" > /home/user/test.out), placed it under /usr/sbin/ then chmodded it a+x |
| 12:32.20 | D-Iivil | and re-built your thing |
| 12:32.41 | alterego | I don't get your /usr/sbin obsession :P |
| 12:32.48 | tristan | its the best bin. |
| 12:32.55 | D-Iivil | alterego: haha :D |
| 12:32.58 | alterego | It's not really a true system script :P |
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| 12:33.20 | D-Iivil | alterego: but still won't work. file "test.out" won't appear under /home/user |
| 12:34.11 | alterego | I wonder if you need to restart hildon .. |
| 12:34.13 | alterego | Try that |
| 12:34.23 | D-Iivil | what is the command for it? |
| 12:34.34 | alterego | Erm .. sb-af-init.sh restart? |
| 12:34.40 | alterego | I can't remember I Don't use it :P |
| 12:34.48 | alterego | Not for a long time anyhow. |
| 12:34.54 | alterego | Should really setup a scratchbox install. |
| 12:35.04 | alterego | af-sb-init.sh restart maybe .. |
| 12:35.27 | D-Iivil | alterego: I'm testing it inside scratchbox |
| 12:35.33 | alterego | I know |
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| 12:35.59 | alterego | What does your .desktop file look like? |
| 12:36.16 | D-Iivil | The one I use @ application launcher or the one that you pre-made? |
| 12:36.27 | alterego | The one I premade |
| 12:36.32 | alterego | Have you not modified it? |
| 12:36.40 | D-Iivil | hold on |
| 12:36.47 | D-Iivil | [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Version=1.0 Name=Plastic Theme Setup Comment=Configuration interface for Plastic Theme. Type=HildonControlPanelPlugin Icon=blackplastic X-control-panel-plugin=libplastictheme-cploader.so Categories=general |
| 12:36.51 | D-Iivil | Oh, fuck :D |
| 12:36.56 | D-Iivil | It came in one line.. |
| 12:37.01 | alterego | That's fine |
| 12:37.04 | alterego | Better that way tbh |
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| 12:37.28 | alterego | Okay, now can you pastie.org 'ls /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/' for me :) |
| 12:37.48 | D-Iivil | sec |
| 12:37.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | D-Iivil: it better did. pasting >>3 lines is usally deprecated |
| 12:38.39 | D-Iivil | alterego: I can see there's "libplastictheme-cploader.so" under that folder. |
| 12:38.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | D-Iivil: use pastebin please |
| 12:38.57 | D-Iivil | okay |
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| 12:39.09 | alterego | pastie.orrg is better ... |
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| 12:39.24 | D-Iivil | alterego: http://www.pastie.org/1023255 |
| 12:40.08 | alterego | Hrm .. |
| 12:40.15 | kenya888 | Hi all |
| 12:40.38 | alterego | D-Iivil: okay, now paste the "DEFINES" line in your .pro file where you specify the executable for me please. |
| 12:41.27 | D-Iivil | alterego: http://www.pastie.org/1023257 |
| 12:41.45 | D-Iivil | where "jau" is the test script I just made. |
| 12:42.02 | alterego | strange, you see the top line, remove that '\', completely unnessacary |
| 12:42.37 | kenya888 | Does anyone know guide doc for developing hildon-im-plugin, except for vkb? I'm interested in other type of plugin for CJK charactor inputing:-) |
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| 12:42.48 | alterego | Oh, also, when you edit the .pro file, you need to run the qmake command again as well. |
| 12:42.49 | D-Iivil | alterego: okay, removed. Should I build it again and test? |
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| 12:43.01 | D-Iivil | alterego: I've done it again. |
| 12:43.07 | alterego | Okay, cool. |
| 12:43.12 | alterego | Yeah, try now. |
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| 12:44.55 | D-Iivil | alterego: still no go :-/ |
| 12:45.20 | jacekowski | mhm, why does rapuyama needs 128M of ram? |
| 12:45.25 | kenya888 | X-Fade, hi, could i ask you a question about maemo autobuilder queue status? |
| 12:45.34 | X-Fade | wazd: ping? |
| 12:45.39 | X-Fade | kenya888: sure |
| 12:45.54 | alterego | Harm |
| 12:45.59 | wazd | X-Fade: hey there :) |
| 12:46.07 | X-Fade | wazd: Stop using Windows ;) |
| 12:46.13 | wazd | X-Fade: I'm fighting with autobuilder again :) |
| 12:46.29 | X-Fade | wazd: You have windows linefeeds in your first 2 lines. |
| 12:46.41 | wazd | X-Fade: uh |
| 12:46.54 | D-Iivil | alterego: these are the files under "build" folder after typing the "make" -command: http://www.pastie.org/1023262 |
| 12:47.16 | alterego | D-Iivil: leave it with me for a bit, I'll get back to you. I need to do a few errands, I'll try and get it to work with your scripts and let you know what I get done. |
| 12:47.17 | kenya888 | X-Fade, thanks, now some my package are in the queue of frematnle extras builder. If you can could you let me know how to clean up them? BTW, it's name is IBus, an input method. |
| 12:47.42 | D-Iivil | alterego: you know you don't have to if you have something else to do ;) |
| 12:47.43 | wazd | X-Fade: and why the hell autobuilder thinks that 1.095 is newer than 1.17-1? :D |
| 12:48.04 | X-Fade | wazd: Because it is. |
| 12:48.08 | D-Iivil | alterego: anyways I need to hit the road in few minutes. Need to drop my wife to her work. |
| 12:48.12 | kenya888 | X-Fade, you can see queue status from extras-assistant top page. https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ |
| 12:48.13 | alterego | D-Iivil: well, I do right now, but I'll be free later :P |
| 12:48.31 | alterego | Okay, I'll let you know how I get on next time you're here. |
| 12:48.35 | wazd | X-Fade: I'm not that bad at maths :D |
| 12:48.52 | D-Iivil | alterego: yeah, sounds cool. I think I'll be online after four hours or so. |
| 12:49.14 | alterego | m'kay |
| 12:49.17 | D-Iivil | alterego: but thanks for your effort so far! Great to have people like you hanging around here :) |
| 12:49.18 | X-Fade | wazd: That is how debian version number comparison works. |
| 12:49.20 | D-Iivil | so long => |
| 12:49.26 | X-Fade | wazd: Check dpkg --compare-versions |
| 12:49.27 | alterego | caio |
| 12:51.10 | X-Fade | kenya888: Hmm I wonder why these packages aren't being processed. |
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| 12:53.06 | kenya888 | X-Fade, me too. I don't change any of the way making source pkg:-( |
| 12:53.20 | lcuk | X-Fade, kenya888 has had probs with his package for a while i recall :S |
| 12:53.39 | lcuk | kenya888, you are just keeping x-fade on his toes :D |
| 12:53.40 | X-Fade | There seem to be a lot of locks in place, I wonder why. |
| 12:54.57 | vldcnst | runs and hides. |
| 12:55.01 | kenya888 | lcuk, thanks a lot :-) |
| 12:55.01 | X-Fade | kenya888: All your packages have been building for all this time. |
| 12:55.12 | X-Fade | kenya888: So I think something in the build makes it stall. |
| 12:55.27 | X-Fade | kenya888: Most likely related to rsvg-convert it seems. |
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| 12:57.03 | kenya888 | X-Fade, Oh... rsvg-convert!! hmm... it may be true... |
| 12:57.22 | X-Fade | kenya888: Shall I kill those processes and see what happens? :) |
| 12:57.59 | kenya888 | X-Fade, yes, of course, please :-) |
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| 12:58.09 | jacekowski | X-Fade: is there a timeout? |
| 12:58.30 | wazd | X-Fade: damn, how can I delete these symbols and why they've appeared now? :) |
| 12:58.34 | X-Fade | jacekowski: no |
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| 12:58.41 | wazd | X-Fade: I've been using windows for ages :) |
| 12:58.58 | X-Fade | wazd: Use wordpad next time :) |
| 12:59.16 | jacekowski | wordpad convert linux line endings to windows |
| 12:59.21 | wazd | X-Fade: in fact it's exactly what I'm using :D |
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| 12:59.40 | X-Fade | jacekowski: not if it is a linux file to begin with. |
| 12:59.57 | X-Fade | notepad does though |
| 13:00.00 | jacekowski | no |
| 13:00.06 | jacekowski | notepad can't open linux line endings |
| 13:00.15 | jacekowski | and you end up with file that has one long line |
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| 13:00.34 | jpe | the n900 does not have rSap onboard, my wife's simple nokia phone does :-( |
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| 13:00.45 | BCMM | it isn't a linux line ending, it's a unix line ending - just another case of microsoft doing one thing and almost everyone else doing something else |
| 13:00.57 | lcuk | jpe, what is rSap and why will it make my life better |
| 13:01.24 | BCMM | (see also HTML and programming APIs) |
| 13:01.33 | jacekowski | BCMM: well, mac is a unix |
| 13:01.41 | jacekowski | BCMM: and it has \n\r |
| 13:01.45 | jacekowski | BCMM: opposite to windows |
| 13:01.57 | jpe | its a bluetooth protocol and it allows ou to communicate with most modern car-kits |
| 13:02.02 | BCMM | jacekowski: that's what i said isn't it? everybody else does the other thing |
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| 13:02.53 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline#History |
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| 13:02.58 | jacekowski | ASCII was developed simultaneously by the ISO and the ASA, the predecessor organization to ANSI. During the period of 1963â1968, the ISO draft standards supported the use of either CR+LF or LF alone as a newline, while the ASA drafts supported only CR+LF. |
| 13:03.01 | BCMM | jacekowski: hang on, what is \r? |
| 13:03.09 | jacekowski | The sequence CR+LF was in common use on many early computer systems that had adopted teletype machines, |
| 13:03.16 | jacekowski | BCMM: carriage return |
| 13:03.22 | jacekowski | \n - line feed |
| 13:03.28 | jacekowski | CR+LF |
| 13:03.33 | BCMM | jacekowski: and are you sure mac does \n\r |
| 13:03.37 | jpe | what i don't understand, rSap is basically a nokia owned protocol.... |
| 13:03.39 | jacekowski | MS-DOS adopted CP/M's CR+LF; CP/M's use of CR+LF made sense for using computer terminals via serial lines. |
| 13:03.49 | jacekowski | The Multics operating system began development in 1964 and used LF alone as its newline. Unix followed the Multics practice, and later systems followed Unix. |
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| 13:03.56 | lcuk | jpe - maemo comes from a different background, im sure the 900 is capable of supporting the protocol, its just not been written yet. just like we have a community MMS package - if, if this means much to you then find out about it and discuss ways to make it happen |
| 13:03.57 | BCMM | that's "Line fee, carriage return", isn't it? |
| 13:04.06 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 13:04.23 | jacekowski | BCMM: it's reverse of what windows is doing |
| 13:04.34 | BCMM | jacekowski: i thought MacOS and linux did \n, and windows did \r\n |
| 13:04.34 | jacekowski | which doesn't comply to any standard |
| 13:04.38 | jacekowski | no |
| 13:04.40 | BCMM | and nobody did \n\r |
| 13:04.54 | jacekowski | same fucking thing they did to 4 pin 3.5mm jack |
| 13:05.01 | jacekowski | nokia was 1st company to use it |
| 13:05.17 | jacekowski | and everybody had it compatible with nokia |
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| 13:05.23 | jacekowski | and then apple made it fucking opposite |
| 13:05.35 | BCMM | jacekowski: oh, so macos does \n\r, and nobody else does? |
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| 13:05.52 | jpe | lcuk: i voted for it on the maemo org site, but still, 90 votes is not al lot -> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/rsap-remote_sim-support_for_n900/ |
| 13:06.08 | jacekowski | BCMM: yep |
| 13:06.17 | BCMM | jacekowski: what did they swap, and can you still use an apple cable if you plug the left, right, video things in to a TV in the wrong order? |
| 13:06.48 | jacekowski | BCMM: their video cable is connected to dock connector |
| 13:07.03 | jacekowski | BCMM: and apple headphones are detected as tvout cable |
| 13:07.07 | jacekowski | in nokia |
| 13:07.11 | X-Fade | kenya888: It seems that killing rsgv-convert got it going again. So something must be blocking/looping there. |
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| 13:07.22 | BCMM | jacekowski: is is now, but on older ipods there is a video out cable that comes from the headphones port |
| 13:07.33 | wazd | X-Fade: I think you should integrate vuvuzela sound into failed autobuilder report :D http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-marina_1.165/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 13:07.42 | BCMM | jacekowski: oh, are these iphone headphones with a mic on them? |
| 13:08.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: I don't think Nokia was first to use 4pin 3.5 with sane/standard headphone compliant config |
| 13:08.08 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 13:08.17 | X-Fade | wazd: We have plenty of vuvuzela sounds around already. |
| 13:08.28 | BCMM | jacekowski: are you sure the mac newline thing applies to OS X and not just Classic? |
| 13:08.31 | jacekowski | it's called niggerhorn |
| 13:08.51 | jacekowski | BCMM: well i fortunatelly never had to touch osx |
| 13:08.53 | lcuk | jpe - help it along then, find out about the protocol itself and what would be required |
| 13:09.06 | jacekowski | BCMM: but i'm sure that it was the case with all macs i had to touch |
| 13:09.12 | alterego | Well, I don't know what he was sdoing wrong, but it works perfectly for me :) |
| 13:09.18 | BCMM | jacekowski: OS X's graphical stuff is a pain to use, but the command line is just BSD |
| 13:09.21 | jacekowski | and i think files from iphone had it in reverse as well |
| 13:09.27 | BCMM | jacekowski: and i believe they use unix newlines now |
| 13:09.35 | jpe | lcuk: nokia doesn't want to open this protocol.... |
| 13:09.36 | lcuk | and talk about it - your passion about helping cure things will count towards whether solutions come (that is same for anything) |
| 13:09.40 | BCMM | jacekowski: easier than modifying all the BSD stuff they borrowed |
| 13:10.10 | lcuk | jpe, to be honest, when has that ever stopped anyone hacking |
| 13:10.27 | jacekowski | maemo is LE? |
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| 13:10.43 | kenya888 | X-Fade, thanks! I've received some emails telling to fail to building :-) |
| 13:10.43 | X-Fade | kenya888: Next time you have a problem with your package blocking, please don't upload 10 packages after ;) |
| 13:11.18 | lcuk | X-Fade, i think that was our fault :$ i tihnk at first it was problem with version numbers so we said push a new one |
| 13:11.23 | wazd | X-Fade: I can't locate anything with wordpad :( |
| 13:11.31 | wazd | X-Fade: it still fails :( |
| 13:11.35 | X-Fade | wazd: Get linux? |
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| 13:11.38 | jacekowski | kenya888: just submit package which has "killall -u $USER" in rules |
| 13:11.39 | X-Fade | wazd: Or a proper editor? |
| 13:11.51 | wazd | X-Fade: well, it worked flawlessly before |
| 13:12.26 | X-Fade | wazd: That doesn't make it right :) Specs tell you only to use \n |
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| 13:14.38 | kenya888 | X-Fade, OK, I understand:-) sorry for confusing... :D |
| 13:14.47 | X-Fade | wazd: http://www.dos2unix.org/ |
| 13:14.53 | X-Fade | kenya888: No problem :) |
| 13:14.57 | BCMM | jacekowski: i really cannot find any citation for macos using \n\r, although apparently os 9 used \r without a \n, which is the opposite of linux, in a sense |
| 13:15.29 | wazd | X-Fade: maybe you can setup autobuilder to parse these symbols? :) |
| 13:15.34 | X-Fade | wazd: No |
| 13:15.40 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 13:15.42 | X-Fade | wazd: They are just not valid. |
| 13:15.43 | zash | BCMM: OS X uses \n, as *nix |
| 13:15.45 | jacekowski | it was long time ago |
| 13:15.49 | alterego | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg |
| 13:15.51 | kenya888 | jacekowsk, Oh, it's nice idea! :-) |
| 13:15.51 | alterego | rofl |
| 13:16.12 | kenya888 | jacekowski, thx!:-) |
| 13:16.47 | lcuk | wazd, on linux there is a dos2unix tool which will sort out the crlfs "infected" from windows - perhaps a similar windows tool is available to fix your problems and runnable directly on windows |
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| 13:17.05 | X-Fade | lcuk: Check the url I posted ;) |
| 13:17.58 | lcuk | lol ok X-Fade that would do it |
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| 13:19.31 | wazd | X-Fade: I still wonder why it never happened before |
| 13:19.49 | X-Fade | wazd: Because the tools were from 2005 then. |
| 13:20.02 | X-Fade | wazd: New tools don't like it, complain to Debian upstream :) |
| 13:20.11 | wazd | X-Fade: hah :) |
| 13:20.31 | alterego | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia/ |
| 13:20.34 | alterego | Pahah |
| 13:21.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm holding them in couples, in small cages |
| 13:21.40 | ShadowJK | so nobody saw the picture in the manual how to hold N900 |
| 13:21.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | manual? |
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| 13:27.10 | kenya888 | yah! I have another question again. Do you know any information for developing hildon-im-plugin except for virtual keyboard? I'd like to develop bridge plugin between hildon-im and ibus:-) |
| 13:28.33 | wazd | X-Fade: looks like it helped, thanks a lot! :) |
| 13:28.47 | X-Fade | wazd: Of course it did :D |
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| 13:29.22 | wazd | X-Fade: though Daniel says that he didn't see these symbols with nano either :) |
| 13:29.44 | X-Fade | wazd: Doesn't mean they are not there. |
| 13:29.46 | wazd | X-Fade: you have some third eye or something :D |
| 13:30.06 | X-Fade | wazd: No, I just googled the error message. |
| 13:30.19 | X-Fade | No magic involved. |
| 13:30.32 | flux | x-fade, that's amazing! you can do that?! |
| 13:30.33 | wazd | X-Fade: oooh. Didn't think of that actually :D |
| 13:30.51 | X-Fade | Most people don't, that is the problem. |
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| 13:35.51 | DrGrov | WTF? |
| 13:36.07 | ptl | what? |
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| 13:36.14 | DrGrov | A Vuvuzela sound? You gotta be shitting me |
| 13:36.28 | ptl | where? |
| 13:37.14 | DrGrov | Being made for the repos |
| 13:37.42 | ptl | [user@n900 user]% apt-cache search vuvuzela |
| 13:37.42 | ptl | vuvuzela - A simple Vuvuzela application with a start & a stop button. Possibility to change the background colour. |
| 13:37.48 | ptl | holy shit. |
| 13:38.44 | DrGrov | Why the fuck does anybody want a Vuvuzela application? Seriously, gotta be fucking shitting me |
| 13:38.52 | DrGrov | Sorry for publicly swearing |
| 13:39.01 | nidO | it'd be ace if whoever's writing that application could do the world a favour and kill himself |
| 13:39.09 | DrGrov | YES! |
| 13:39.36 | DrGrov | I have such a fucking migraine when watching the World Cup now with that insanely disturbing vuvuzela sounds coming through |
| 13:40.21 | ptl | just vote it down |
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| 13:41.03 | mortini | DrGrov: go watch some youtube videos with it turned on |
| 13:41.11 | nidO | cant, its a shit app that serves no purpose other than being an annoyance to anyone unlucky enough to be near the dickhead n900 owner with it installed, but thats not a reason to downvote it if it hits testing and it actually works like it should |
| 13:41.34 | DrGrov | mortini: no fuck no, no youtube videos for me with that insanely fucked up sound in the background |
| 13:41.54 | kwtm | Hi! Need help: my n900 has become useless: hangs on bootup (5 flashing dots continue for hours). |
| 13:42.04 | nidO | reflash it |
| 13:42.05 | lcuk | i actually find vuvuzela sound (some good continuous recording thereof) to be relaxing |
| 13:42.05 | mortini | heh |
| 13:42.08 | ptl | reflash it |
| 13:42.13 | DrGrov | relaxing!? |
| 13:42.14 | nidO | and then dont do whatever it was you last did that broke it |
| 13:42.16 | DrGrov | seriously!? |
| 13:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | if Nokia had done a little smarter on AV and audio in general, we could create an antivuvu app that filters out the annoying angry bees from audio, before feeding it to your home stereo or TV surround |
| 13:42.20 | lcuk | it blocks out the edge of hearing noises that usually catch my attention |
| 13:42.24 | kenya888 | OK, i'll leave here. thanks X-Fade, lcuk, and all thank you again again again :D:D bye!! |
| 13:42.26 | kwtm | Looks like the only way to reset is to re-flash the firmware (no hardware reset button). I want to verify: this is NOT the same as me upgrading to PR1.2 via the App Manager, right? |
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| 13:42.38 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Just install the equalizer? |
| 13:43.00 | kwtm | (If "reflashing" is the same as "upgrading to PR1.2" then the App Manager already did that.) |
| 13:43.10 | DrGrov | Well, be back later. Football time in 15 minutes |
| 13:43.15 | nidO | reflashing is a full os reinstall |
| 13:43.17 | pahartik | does not watch any sports, but thought about listening to audio track once just to hear what "it" sounds like |
| 13:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: a first step on sw side, but still unclear how to get stereo in to the device |
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| 13:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, me is afk again |
| 13:43.40 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: fifa.com stream? :) |
| 13:43.45 | kenya888 | The game of Japan vs Paraguay is going to start:-) |
| 13:43.49 | kwtm | nid0: Actually, this is my second n900. I had to return the first one to the store due to same problem. Can't figure out what I did to break it. One day I pulled it out of holster, and it had hung. |
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| 13:44.10 | kwtm | Okay, will download the flasher deb package and reflash. Hope it works (not sure how to get it to talk to USB if hung.) |
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| 13:44.26 | X-Fade | kwtm: Flashing is basically reinstalling the factory software. |
| 13:44.39 | nidO | pahartik: "it" is just a fucking annoying horn. people suddenly find vuvuzela sounds neat because it's "cultural", but the truth is the noise they make is just as fucking annoying as those tits that stand near people with air horns |
| 13:44.53 | aboyer | how can i install/setup a scratchbox pr1.1.1 sdk? |
| 13:45.03 | ptl | I've got a bull-calling horn in my house and I learnt how to use it |
| 13:45.25 | ptl | when there are vuvuzelas making noise nearby I just honk my horn |
| 13:45.38 | kwtm | X-Fade: Ok. I understand. I'm really just looking for a "hard reset" so it won't hang on boot-up. Is there something I should do to figure out what I did to make it crash? Some strace program or debugger code something? |
| 13:46.15 | X-Fade | kwtm: Depends on how skilled you are, but then again, you wouldn't be asking that if ... ;) |
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| 13:46.26 | pahartik | nidO: It has been all over news and discussions on radio... My thought is just to use "mute" on audio amplifier... But... |
| 13:46.26 | nidO | just think about what you're doing when you use it, so that if it happens again you remember what you've done to it since last reboot |
| 13:46.38 | ptl | actually, there is, but it is not practical. You can use the serial wires behind the battery to try and get a serial console. |
| 13:46.49 | X-Fade | kwtm: Problem is that if it doesn't boot, all easy solutions go out of the door. |
| 13:46.53 | kwtm | Is there a hardware button on the n900 to do hard reset when the boot-up sequence turns into an infinite loop? (And why on earth would the bootup sequence become an infinite loop, anyway?) |
| 13:46.59 | X-Fade | no |
| 13:47.06 | nidO | maemo doesnt tend to just up and die of it's own accord, you've probably hit onto a broken devel application or you've tried manually changing things yourself and done it wrong |
| 13:47.15 | X-Fade | Probably because your rootfs is corrupted. |
| 13:47.20 | X-Fade | Or full |
| 13:47.30 | kwtm | X-Fade: Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. If two n900's in a row (this is my second one) keep coming up with the same problem, I'll just have to return it and get a droid or something. :( |
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| 13:47.37 | ptl | kwtm: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:47.53 | X-Fade | Flashing takes a minute though. |
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| 13:48.05 | nidO | kwtm, why're you afraid of that? as we said when you first asked, just reflash the device |
| 13:48.05 | X-Fade | But really, I wonder how you managed to do that. |
| 13:48.11 | nidO | its like a 2 minute process to reset it |
| 13:48.35 | kwtm | X-Fade: Well, something corrupted rootfs on two n900's in a row. It's probably something from maemo.org that I installed, but if I can't install apps, I might as well buy some $10 phone or something. |
| 13:48.51 | nidO | how many have you installed from -devel. |
| 13:49.00 | lcuk | kwtm, do you install apps from extras, or from extras-devel also? |
| 13:49.05 | kwtm | nidO: Because when it crashes while I'm in the middle of work, I can't reflash it. Then my phone is useless until I can get home and have a chance to reflash. |
| 13:49.34 | X-Fade | kwtm: It hasn't happened to me ever and I install all kind of dodgy software on purpose. |
| 13:49.39 | nidO | ditto |
| 13:49.44 | kwtm | lcuk: I haven't enabled any other repositories, just what was visible in App Manager when I first turned on the device. I guess that's "extras" but not "extras-devel"? |
| 13:49.59 | kwtm | X-Fade: Maybe I got two bad ones in a batch? I did get both from the same store. |
| 13:50.04 | X-Fade | kwtm: No way that an app from Extras can have caused it. |
| 13:50.18 | X-Fade | kwtm: Flash your device and see if that fixes it. |
| 13:50.23 | kwtm | X-Fade: What do you think? Bad microSD card? (It couldn't be a bad SIM card would it?) |
| 13:50.41 | X-Fade | kwtm: broken mmc is very very rare. |
| 13:50.49 | kwtm | X-Fade: I will reflash it. On the other hand, the n900 was working perfectly until one time when I pulled it out, the screen was completely black and unresponsive. |
| 13:51.03 | X-Fade | kwtm: Did you remove the battery? |
| 13:51.09 | nidO | havent really seen any of them either here or on tmo other than ones that've been dropped and had the card knocked loose |
| 13:51.15 | lcuk | kwtm, i dont know offhand what you managed to do (obviously) but your case does not sound normal in the least |
| 13:51.21 | kwtm | X-fade: After I could not get it to respond, I removed the battery and replaced it. |
| 13:51.36 | X-Fade | kwtm: Ok. |
| 13:51.40 | kwtm | lcuk: That is reassuring. At least now I know I have some hope of getting a n900 that does not do this. |
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| 13:52.28 | X-Fade | kwtm: It really sounds like a software issue, but it is hard to debug without access to the device. (And a jig) :) |
| 13:52.30 | lcuk | kwtm, i am also doubtful its hardware related |
| 13:52.42 | kwtm | Oh, the first n900 had this behaviour where it got slower and slower (e.g. 30 seconds to respond to a tap). Is there something I should have done (e.g. on the X-terminal) before it became completely unresponsive? |
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| 13:52.59 | lcuk | if you reflash, restore your apps and take a backup of your normal working set |
| 13:53.01 | X-Fade | Yes, close some apps :) |
| 13:53.06 | kwtm | Okay, I'm going to reflash it now. Wish me luck! (or "wish me lcuk"! :) ) |
| 13:53.11 | nidO | some widgets have memory leaks which will cause that kind of behavior over a period of a few days |
| 13:53.14 | lcuk | come back here with those and we can see if there is potentially anything in those apps |
| 13:53.21 | X-Fade | No luck needed though. |
| 13:53.36 | lcuk | ie, do you know which apps you installed last |
| 13:53.58 | lcuk | ie, did you do the maemo5 upgrade from app manager, or had you already flashed pr1.2 directly |
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| 13:58.05 | aboyer | is it possible to setup a pr1.1.1 scratchbox environment? |
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| 13:58.23 | X-Fade | aboyer: yes, but why? |
| 13:58.41 | aboyer | X-Fade: in order to build an application for a pr1.1.1 device |
| 13:59.10 | nidO | why? |
| 13:59.14 | X-Fade | aboyer: Just build it on PR1.2 with symbols enabled and make sure you don't use a new api? |
| 13:59.21 | E0x | why still in pr1.1.1 ? |
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| 13:59.54 | lcuk | E0x, because some folks dont upgrade - its like people still used chinook even when diablo came out |
| 13:59.56 | aboyer | we have an instalation which is using 1.1.1 and upgrading is not really an option since it would take to much time for the QA... |
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| 14:01.20 | aboyer | X-Fade: what do you mean "with symbols enabled"? is that a scratchbox thing or a compiler thing? |
| 14:02.10 | X-Fade | aboyer: if you use the squeeze devkit in scratchbox and install maemo-sdk-symbols, it will be done automagically. |
| 14:02.32 | X-Fade | aboyer: It will then always specify the lowest version dependencies possible. |
| 14:03.02 | lcuk | some kind of voodoo! |
| 14:03.12 | aboyer | X-Fade: ok, thanks. i'll try that out... |
| 14:03.12 | lcuk | :D and awesome |
| 14:03.16 | X-Fade | Which is what we do on the autobuilder. |
| 14:03.26 | X-Fade | aboyer: Just submit your app there to see if it works ;) |
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| 14:03.38 | X-Fade | if it is opensource of course. |
| 14:03.39 | kwtm | About flashing: to reset the device, I do *not* need to read the part about "flash eMMC", just "flashing the firmware", right? |
| 14:03.52 | lcuk | kwtm, yes initially |
| 14:03.53 | X-Fade | kwtm: Yes, try firmware only first. |
| 14:04.05 | aboyer | X-Fade: one more question, if i setup a new scratchbox environment (as of today), will squeeze be the default devkit? |
| 14:04.12 | X-Fade | aboyer: no |
| 14:04.21 | X-Fade | But you can install it in parallel. |
| 14:04.27 | X-Fade | And switch between them. |
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| 14:05.20 | aboyer | hmm... that is what i tried doing in the first place (having multiple targets in scratchbox) but it borked my 1.1.1 target, hence the questions here today... |
| 14:05.53 | X-Fade | That is what we use sbdmock for. |
| 14:06.54 | aboyer | googles sbdmock |
| 14:07.35 | X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Building_packages_with_sbdmock |
| 14:09.09 | wazd | mmm, now marina package is 48 kb |
| 14:09.18 | wazd | and screwed obviously :) |
| 14:09.48 | kwtm | Could someone verify that the firmware I should download for flashing is "PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1"? It's marked "latest global Maemo 5". I should *not* use "OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11" which is just marked "global Maemo 5", right? Or is the "latest" too bleeding edge to use? |
| 14:10.09 | X-Fade | kwtm: latest is 19-1 == PR1.2 |
| 14:10.47 | kwtm | X-Fade: Thanks. I didn't notice that option till I started downloading the other one. |
| 14:10.55 | kwtm | Crumm, it's going to be a 45-minute download. |
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| 14:11.28 | wazd | X-Fade: I don;'t think that wrong symbols cause that :) Size: 8330 bytes |
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| 14:12.43 | X-Fade | wazd: Sorry, try to find someone else to look at it, really need to work on other things. |
| 14:12.55 | wazd | X-Fade: ok, nm :) |
| 14:15.21 | X-Fade | just imported 500+ packages from Extras into OBS to see how many will build. |
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| 14:18.52 | D-Iivil | greetings everyone. |
| 14:19.57 | alterego | D-Iivil: well, I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I got it to work first time :P |
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| 14:20.06 | D-Iivil | just witnessed the fastest Nokia repair ever! |
| 14:20.21 | alterego | D-Iivil: :) |
| 14:20.25 | D-Iivil | alterego, that's weird |
| 14:20.41 | alterego | D-Iivil: They're usually pretty good in my experience, but I think people have different, erm, experiences. |
| 14:20.54 | D-Iivil | alterego, yeah. |
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| 14:21.26 | D-Iivil | alterego, can you drop the link to the source tar, so I can play with it later tonight? |
| 14:22.04 | D-Iivil | I currently don't have remote access to my work PC which I downloaded the files earlier today... |
| 14:22.30 | alterego | Okay, baring in mind, that I tested on device, _not_ scratchbox, as I don't have scratchbox installed. |
| 14:22.53 | D-Iivil | alterego, I will test it also on my device now that I got it back :P |
| 14:24.10 | alterego | D-Iivil: http://alterego.metapath.org/libosso-plugin-exec-loader-0.2.tar.bz2 |
| 14:24.31 | alterego | The only issue I had, was your script quits straight away if your THEMEDIR doesn't exist. |
| 14:24.35 | alterego | And it didn't on my device :) |
| 14:24.51 | alterego | So I just commented out that conditional and it workd fine. |
| 14:25.01 | alterego | Albeit, I couldn't even run it from the console because of the above issue so ... |
| 14:25.14 | D-Iivil | yeah. |
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| 14:26.39 | D-Iivil | alterego, justo be sure, can you also send me the .so file built by you so I can try that also if mine won't work? |
| 14:27.06 | alterego | Sure |
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| 14:29.20 | alterego | D-Iivil: http://alterego.metapath.org/libplastictheme-cploader.so |
| 14:29.53 | D-Iivil | alterego, thanks :) |
| 14:30.10 | alterego | np |
| 14:30.12 | kwtm | X-Fade: Hey, you said you installed all sorts of "dodgy software" and your n900 never went into infinite loop on bootup. You're using the 2010.19-1 firmware, right? |
| 14:30.18 | D-Iivil | will try those later this evening. Now I gotta feed the kids -> |
| 14:30.29 | X-Fade | kwtm: yes, of course. |
| 14:31.04 | kwtm | Ok, thx. Still downloading firmware. |
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| 14:35.15 | alterego | I've installed quite a lot of stuff and I've never had an infinite reboot .. |
| 14:35.55 | SpeedEvil | me too. |
| 14:36.14 | alterego | Strange how it seems to be the newbs that suffer that issue :) |
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| 14:38.56 | mgedmin | well, experienced users learned not to do things that lead to infinite reboots ;) |
| 14:39.06 | alterego | I guess so .. |
| 14:39.33 | alterego | But all these users seem to think it's developers fault, 99% of the time it's "after I installed package X from extras" |
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| 14:43.32 | noobmonk3y | sits and waits for the abuse.......... |
| 14:43.38 | noobmonk3y | prods frals |
| 14:44.13 | noobmonk3y | ~ping |
| 14:44.14 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 14:47.06 | rex1 | Whats its better maemo or android |
| 14:47.35 | noobmonk3y | lols at the amount of ~seen noobmonk3y's in the logs, wooops, but gotta goto a meeting too! |
| 14:47.51 | noobmonk3y | prods frals on the way out... my first random push mms!!! - can see it's there, but wont download lol! |
| 14:48.14 | rex1 | Anyone knows how i can install app in another mmc |
| 14:48.26 | rex1 | Because i dont have enough space |
| 14:49.53 | kwtm | help! typing this with 1 hand. i am trying 2 flash. am holding down u key with other hand on n900. when i plug in usb cable, is it supposed to turn on? |
| 14:50.10 | kwtm | do i have 2 let go of u key first? |
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| 14:53.22 | noob_afk | kwtm: u should just work |
| 14:53.33 | noob_afk | hold down on turning it on, wait for symbol at top right, let go |
| 14:53.44 | SpeedEvil | rex1: What are you trying to install? It's saying you're out of space? |
| 14:54.26 | kwtm | noob_afk: Okay, that did not happen. When I plugged in USB cable, screen remained dark for 2 minutes. |
| 14:54.47 | kwtm | noob_afk: I removed battery, then put back in, and was able to get the dark screen. It seems to be flashing now. |
| 14:54.57 | X-Fade | kwtm: Pressed the powerbutton? |
| 14:55.00 | kwtm | It says flashed successfully. We will see what it does. |
| 14:55.19 | kwtm | X-Fade: tried that, too, but hard to hold down power button while keyboard is slid open so I can press U key, |
| 14:55.38 | X-Fade | kwtm: Try 2 hands? |
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| 14:55.54 | X-Fade | Or linux where you don't need to :) |
| 14:55.59 | kwtm | X-Fade: Well, that's what I ended up doing, so now I know that that did not work either. But removing the battery and replacing did. |
| 14:56.03 | crashanddie | Just bought a new bike :) |
| 14:56.18 | kwtm | Okay, this does not look hopeful. The flashing dots continue. I will let it go for another 15 minutes then I have to go to work. |
| 14:56.40 | X-Fade | kwtm: Did you see a progress bar on the screen while flashing? |
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| 14:57.18 | kwtm | X-Fade: Yes, I did, and the shell prompt says "CMT flashed successfully", so the flashing was successful. |
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| 14:57.43 | X-Fade | kwtm: Ok, then it might be your emmc which needs flashing. |
| 14:57.44 | kwtm | Question is: with the old or new firmware, what's keeping it from running properly? Checking the memory or something? Random bit flipped in the RAM or something? :P |
| 14:58.13 | ptmn | crashanddie: show it |
| 14:58.25 | crashanddie | ptmn: don't have it yet, it arrives early next week |
| 14:58.27 | kwtm | Okay, will read up on emmc. Is that just the RAM that acts like a RAM disk (the 25+ GB of space)? |
| 14:58.42 | alterego | Interresting, with fine accuracy my app is saying that horizontal accuracy is about 6k meters :o |
| 14:58.47 | X-Fade | No it is just flash storage. 32GB. |
| 14:58.54 | crashanddie | just a cheap 125cc bike, nothing fancy. Just happy I'm going to have two wheels again (my full bike licence was revoked three years ago) |
| 14:59.13 | frals | slaps noob_afk around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:59.21 | alterego | I don't think it's actually in meters .. |
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| 15:00.12 | ptmn | rides a 0cc bike |
| 15:00.18 | ptmn | :3 |
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| 15:00.44 | lcuk | kwtm, you could simply have found a serious bug in a single extras application. |
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| 15:01.10 | kwtm | X-Fade: It says "always flash the FIASCO image and then the eMMC without booting". What is the FIASCO image? Is that the firmware I just flashed? |
| 15:01.10 | X-Fade | More likely that his emmc got corrupted. |
| 15:01.14 | lcuk | we dont know off hand it will be interesting to see your app list and some stas from your mahcine (space available etc) |
| 15:01.22 | X-Fade | kwtm: yes, that is the firmware. |
| 15:01.38 | X-Fade | kwtm: But don't worry about that warning ;) |
| 15:01.39 | kwtm | lcuk: I believe we just heard from this group that "newbies always think it's the developer's fault that there's a bug." I'm going to let the rest of you figure it out. |
| 15:01.58 | kwtm | Me, I'll just continue to think that Nokia should have put a hardware reset. |
| 15:02.16 | X-Fade | kwtm: Where is the hardware reset on your PC or Mac? |
| 15:02.19 | SpeedEvil | hardware reset? |
| 15:02.56 | kwtm | x-fade: In the power button, where, upon reboot, the BIOS is not corrupted by changes in memory contents. But I was thinking more along the lines of a phone. |
| 15:03.14 | X-Fade | kwtm: It is not being sold as a phone. |
| 15:03.22 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Bullshit. |
| 15:03.32 | X-Fade | kwtm: A mobile computer, with phone capabilities ;) |
| 15:03.35 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: It's being offered by several carriers as a phone. |
| 15:03.37 | kwtm | X-Fade: E.g. if I don't care that my n900 doesn't work properly but I need to make that phone call when I'm stranded in the middle of a deserted highway, then I should be able to at least get phone functionality. |
| 15:03.42 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: And in many shops. |
| 15:03.50 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Sure, but nokia doesn't call that. |
| 15:03.53 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: none of them say 'this is not a phone'. |
| 15:04.14 | SpeedEvil | Do they call any of their phones phones? |
| 15:04.15 | kwtm | Okay, I'll let the rest of you hash out whether the n900 should be used as a phone or not. I'm going to read up on emmc flashing. Thx. |
| 15:04.25 | X-Fade | Anyway, flashing both firmware and emmc will put it in factory default state. |
| 15:05.28 | alterego | kwtm: I was stating what I believed to be a rather accurate statistic that when users get into infinte reboots they automatically blame the last package they installed. |
| 15:05.32 | kwtm | When I downloaded the firmware labeled "2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin", does the "combined" mean I've also already downloaded eMMC? Or is that a separate download? |
| 15:05.37 | alterego | And I think I said 99% :P Which isn't everyone |
| 15:05.48 | alterego | kwtm: it's seperate |
| 15:05.59 | X-Fade | kwtm: No, that is just old firmware. |
| 15:06.11 | kwtm | alterego: I'm not doubting you. But if there is anything you think I might be doing which I shouldn't, I'd love to hear it. My second n900 had tread very carefully, and yet the same error happened. |
| 15:06.25 | alterego | contemplates writing an app that integrates street view with GPS |
| 15:06.34 | SpeedEvil | alterego: You can't. |
| 15:06.35 | SpeedEvil | alterego: (legally) |
| 15:06.51 | alterego | Sort of like augmented reality, where the augmentation is actually looking back in time .. woo0000ooo |
| 15:06.59 | alterego | SpeedEvil: really? Why not? |
| 15:07.04 | SpeedEvil | alterego: The terms and conditions of streetview are basically that if you're really, really nice, and promise not to remember too much, you can look at it. |
| 15:07.12 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: alterego can't legally contemplate it? MUA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha ... here comes the thought police. :) |
| 15:07.41 | alterego | Well, how is this goign to make people "remember" ... |
| 15:07.48 | alterego | They use street view on the android phone .. |
| 15:07.50 | SpeedEvil | alterego: You can't view the streetview content outside of the google service, can't download it, ... |
| 15:07.51 | alterego | phone/s |
| 15:07.52 | kwtm | Okay, I'm downloading the eMMC image and it says "1 hour 49 minutes remaining". I think I'll leave it to download while I go to work. :P |
| 15:08.02 | SpeedEvil | Outside of approved apps that is. |
| 15:08.18 | alterego | I know, I'll be using an embedded webkit with streetview being fed information from my app outside |
| 15:08.38 | kwtm | X-Fade: When you said I can ignore the warning about rebooting between the FIASCO image and the eMMC image, does that mean I can try rebooting my n900 to see if the flashing worked? If I can get it working before I go to work, it means I can use the n900 for work. |
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| 15:08.42 | SpeedEvil | check the t&cs - they are nasty. |
| 15:08.49 | alterego | Meh, fuck 'em, they can sue me. |
| 15:08.57 | X-Fade | kwtm: That warning is only valid when you upgrade versions. |
| 15:09.06 | alterego | Then I'll ask them to hand over the wifi data they ripped out of my wifi as they were driving past. |
| 15:09.19 | X-Fade | kwtm: But as you are about to wipe your device, that doesn't matter. |
| 15:09.29 | kwtm | X-Fade: But I guess I was using the old maemo 5 --Oh, I see. It only applies if I was using Maemo 4? |
| 15:09.37 | X-Fade | kwtm: No. |
| 15:09.46 | crashanddie | ptmn: http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2010-Honda-CBF125-white-and-black-1.jpg |
| 15:09.48 | kwtm | X-Fade: Oh, I see, the consequences of not following those instructions are just that the device gets wiped. So I don't need to care in my case, right? |
| 15:09.50 | X-Fade | kwtm: If you were using something older than 19-1 |
| 15:10.07 | X-Fade | kwtm: Everything will be gone anyway. |
| 15:10.18 | lcuk | X-Fade, nope its not. kwtm do not bootup between flashing the main image and the emmc |
| 15:10.20 | kwtm | X-Fade: Okay, will try rebooting to see if this works. (I hate removing the battery cover --I have to struggle and sometimes it cuts into the skin under my nails) |
| 15:10.34 | lcuk | because if you then flash the emmc you will wipe the /opt |
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| 15:10.38 | lcuk | and be in the wrong state |
| 15:10.38 | X-Fade | lcuk: emmc was already 19-1 |
| 15:11.02 | kwtm | lcuk: Okay. Alright, to play it safe I'll just leave the n900 alone and use my <sigh> trusty if clunky Treo 650. :P |
| 15:11.19 | kwtm | Thanks, guys. |
| 15:11.49 | kwtm | Btw, what time zone are you in? I don't seem to get as many responses in this IRC channel when I check it in my evenings (around 0:00 GMT) |
| 15:12.06 | kwtm | Everyone is dead at that time, I guess. Ozzies here, right? |
| 15:12.10 | crashanddie | kwtm: a lot of us are in BST/GMT+1 |
| 15:12.39 | crashanddie | kwtm: I used to be in Oz, back in the old continent now, there's a handful of ausers |
| 15:12.50 | kwtm | Okay. Well, this is a more helpful crowd than whoever comes here at ... wait, I said 0000h GMT, but I probably should ahve said 0400h GMT. |
| 15:12.52 | lcuk | map of maemo people: http://pininthemap.com/maemo europe is the hotspot |
| 15:13.04 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ping? |
| 15:15.51 | BCMM | ok, they aren't acquiring all of it, but they are getting the certificate authority |
| 15:16.05 | BCMM | oh well, at least they aren't getting a root nameserver |
| 15:16.28 | X-Fade | BCMM: ? |
| 15:16.38 | Corsac | -ECHAN? |
| 15:16.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: you're using an old fiasko img. 2010... is the newest |
| 15:16.56 | BCMM | X-Fade: i would appear to have changed channel without noticing |
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| 15:17.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: you don't need to flash eMMC to upgrade |
| 15:17.08 | X-Fade | BCMM: Sounded interesting ;) |
| 15:17.15 | Venemo | hey all |
| 15:17.43 | BCMM | X-Fade: symantec acquiring verisign's security business |
| 15:17.57 | Corsac | ouch |
| 15:18.05 | BCMM | X-Fade: as we say on Slashdot, whatcouldpossiblygowrong |
| 15:18.16 | X-Fade | BCMM: nutin... |
| 15:18.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: if you flash eMMC (the VANILLA img) then you MUST AVOID booting after eMMC flashing and you MUSTflash COMBINED after eMMC |
| 15:18.28 | Venemo | I have a package which should place a file into /etc/event.d/ on installation |
| 15:18.35 | Venemo | the file is in the .deb |
| 15:18.39 | Venemo | but it is not installed |
| 15:18.51 | Venemo | could anyone please help me finding out why? |
| 15:18.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | kwtm: the wiki is pretty clear about that |
| 15:19.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell kwtm about flashing |
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| 15:22.44 | jacekowski | what's a version of BME in n8x0? |
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| 15:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: a totally different one, as the hw has nothing in common between N810 and N900 |
| 15:25.56 | jacekowski | well it would be nice to compare |
| 15:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you REALLY want to know? |
| 15:26.12 | jacekowski | yep |
| 15:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | k, hold on |
| 15:31.33 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thank you for your advice. I wanted to clarify the advice I heard from another member of this channel who SEEMED to be saying that this advice no longer applied, so perhaps you could let the member in question know. Thanks. |
| 15:32.35 | kwtm | Anyway, now firefox has crashed, so I'm going to restart my 2 hour download. :P |
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| 15:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: should resume |
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| 15:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sorry for delay, the friggin N810 decided to panic & reboot once more |
| 15:36.48 | alterego | How many channels does the N900 GPS have? 10? |
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| 15:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | I guess a lot more |
| 15:37.56 | alterego | I can't see it being any more than 12 .. |
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| 15:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: the definition of "channel" is somewhat fuzzy on GPS |
| 15:41.34 | jacekowski | well, how many sattelites can it track |
| 15:41.39 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I didn't think it was that fuzzy, how many satellites can the inbuilt GPS on the N900 use simultaneously? |
| 15:41.43 | alterego | :) |
| 15:41.48 | alterego | I've got 5 right now. |
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| 15:42.16 | jacekowski | builtin |
| 15:42.21 | jacekowski | not inbuild |
| 15:42.29 | alterego | jacekowski: pedant |
| 15:42.41 | alterego | I said inbuilt |
| 15:42.44 | alterego | Nod inbuild |
| 15:42.45 | jacekowski | alterego: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=365173&eventPage=3 |
| 15:42.49 | alterego | s/Nod/not/ |
| 15:42.52 | marmoute | alterego: not |
| 15:42.58 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 15:42.59 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:43.07 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | there's a more meaningful defnition for GPS, and that's hardware corellator |
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| 15:43.30 | jacekowski | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12028&contentId=4636 |
| 15:43.48 | alterego | jacekowski: anyhow, inbuilt is fine, I don't see why you would even bother trying to correct me .. |
| 15:43.54 | alterego | Unless this is some stupid American thing. |
| 15:44.41 | jacekowski | builtin is only correct form in english |
| 15:44.46 | alterego | bull shit |
| 15:44.59 | alterego | Anyway ... |
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| 15:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: seems there's no TI GPS5030 |
| 15:47.30 | alterego | I didn't realize we got the Qt mobility API's in PR1.2 ... |
| 15:47.34 | alterego | sweeeeeeeeet |
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| 15:48.06 | flux | jacekowski, nevertheles, WrodNet recognizes the term, as a synonym for built-in (not that I'd have seen it before) |
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| 15:48.39 | mgedmin | synonyms are tricky; sometimes there are subtle shades of meaning |
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| 15:49.29 | _0x47 | hey, my menu icon doesn't show up before rebooting, but I have the gtk-update-icon-cache... in the postinst script. in fact it doesn't even show up after updating the cache manually. it shows up after rebooting tho. what did i do wrong? |
| 15:49.57 | alterego | _0x47: probably nothing, it happens for every app I've installed ... |
| 15:50.17 | _0x47 | but it doesn't happen to all the apps I've downloaded before? |
| 15:50.24 | _0x47 | is it a SDK problem? |
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| 15:54.15 | jacekowski | flux: it's american |
| 15:54.19 | jacekowski | flux: it's not a proper english |
| 15:54.38 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i found it on ti website |
| 15:54.43 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: with note that it's not for end users |
| 15:54.47 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: just for big manufacturers |
| 15:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what? |
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| 15:55.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that gps |
| 15:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 15:55.29 | jacekowski | hardware correlator i mean |
| 15:55.38 | jacekowski | corellator* |
| 15:55.46 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 15:55.48 | jacekowski | bye |
| 15:55.50 | jacekowski | home time |
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| 16:03.17 | sar3th|N900 | hey, MyDocs is read-only after a crash (N900), anyone know how to fix? |
| 16:04.15 | Dialekt | damn i forgot my nickserv pass because it was stored in my keychain for years |
| 16:04.17 | Dialekt | how can i retain it? |
| 16:05.44 | frals | /msg nickserv help i recon |
| 16:06.10 | flux | sar3th|n900, you could run fat repairing tools from a PC on it |
| 16:06.25 | flux | sar3th|n900, or you could unmount it in n900 and run fsck.vfat on it |
| 16:06.38 | sar3th|N900 | ok flux, ty, i will try that |
| 16:06.49 | sar3th|N900 | will xchat crash when i unmount it? lol |
| 16:07.03 | flux | unlikely |
| 16:07.10 | flux | it might refuse to unmount if there are open files there, though |
| 16:07.23 | sar3th|N900 | k |
| 16:07.28 | flux | if that's the case, lsof should help you find the processes that have those |
| 16:07.38 | sar3th|N900 | it worked :) |
| 16:07.45 | sar3th|N900 | now running fsck.vfat |
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| 16:08.12 | flux | oh right, and as always, keep backups of your data 8-) |
| 16:08.52 | sar3th|N900 | "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?" |
| 16:09.06 | flux | difficult questions, yes.. |
| 16:09.15 | sar3th|N900 | :/ |
| 16:09.25 | flux | if you aren't too worried about the data, I suppose it doesn't matter |
| 16:09.43 | sar3th|N900 | i will remount it l8tr then and backup anything which is still readable |
| 16:09.57 | sar3th|N900 | i'd hate to loose this weekend's photos |
| 16:10.07 | flux | you could probably abort the fsck and do it right now (even if it is read-only) |
| 16:10.29 | flux | (infact, you should possibly ensure it is read-only when you mount it :-)) |
| 16:10.30 | sar3th|N900 | yes, i figured, but i don't have a pc at hand |
| 16:10.42 | flux | send them to your email :) |
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| 16:11.33 | D-Iivil | alterego, ping |
| 16:11.33 | sar3th|N900 | it will be faster to wait 1h till i am home, cos its so much ;) but ty for the suggestion |
| 16:11.58 | flux | good luck |
| 16:12.04 | sar3th|N900 | thanks :) |
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| 16:18.45 | wazd | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hildon-theme-marina/1.200/ <- feel free to test :) |
| 16:19.39 | D-Iivil | wazd, will test right away :) |
| 16:20.25 | wazd | D-Iivil: you can probably wait for 1.201 or just ignore lockscreen bug :) |
| 16:20.50 | D-Iivil | wazd, what bug is there? |
| 16:21.03 | wazd | D-Iivil: wrong wallpaper :) |
| 16:21.24 | D-Iivil | (I'm on 2G connection so it will take some time to download the package...) |
| 16:22.03 | D-Iivil | wazd, heh, shit happens :P Any plans for new themes btw? |
| 16:22.22 | wazd | D-Iivil: I have plans but don't have much time :( |
| 16:22.43 | D-Iivil | wazd, really liked Marina theme coz it was Solarion "finished" in all areas. |
| 16:22.43 | D-Iivil | ups |
| 16:22.57 | D-Iivil | autocomplete beat :P |
| 16:23.18 | wazd | D-Iivil: well, now it's even more finished :) |
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| 16:23.49 | D-Iivil | yep :) |
| 16:23.55 | wazd | D-Iivil: I think I've fixed all bugs (except for "gear" one, that won't be fixed) :) |
| 16:24.09 | D-Iivil | 43 percent done... |
| 16:24.30 | D-Iivil | btw, are you using photoshop or what? |
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| 16:28.23 | wazd | D-Iivil: yep |
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| 16:30.37 | D-Iivil | wazd, Bug: your theme is names as "my example theme" in the list where you select the theme ;) |
| 16:30.47 | D-Iivil | named, not names... |
| 16:31.45 | D-Iivil | new virtual keyboard looks nice. |
| 16:33.25 | wazd | D-Iivil: yeah, actually I don't know what's wrong with that since control looks just fine |
| 16:33.42 | wazd | also forgot to change painted text color |
| 16:34.01 | wazd | but now, penalties! |
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| 16:34.13 | wazd | good luck Japan |
| 16:34.21 | D-Iivil | wazd, it is not control file what is used for that |
| 16:34.43 | D-Iivil | run the .sh script again and remember to type in theme name. |
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| 16:42.34 | wazd | aw, fucking ninjas :( |
| 16:43.09 | lcuk | wazd :( ninjas got your family again? |
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| 16:47.30 | sar3th|N900 | bbl |
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| 16:53.11 | an0therb0x | is ovi store working for the N900 ? |
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| 17:04.42 | wazd | no, seriously, that changelog bug is not normal |
| 17:04.56 | wazd | I even tried Dreamweaver and it "corrupts" it too |
| 17:07.13 | lcuk | wazd libraries on windows do the same all over - and yes it is corruption, it can also be the mechanism you are using to copy files |
| 17:07.24 | lcuk | winscp has options to automagically translate |
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| 17:10.45 | wazd | lcuk: so using FTP client to edit text file is normal nowadays? :) |
| 17:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles UTF-8, UTF-16, cp4711, IBM850, ISO8859-1... |
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| 17:12.13 | wazd | it's like using columbia shuttle to travel to the grocery |
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| 17:12.55 | lcuk | wazd - tomatoes grown in zeroG are delicious! |
| 17:13.36 | SpeedEvil | Not much good if you prefer them raw, not roasted though. |
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| 17:45.01 | D-Iivil | how difficult it can sometimes be to get two under four years old to fall asleep... |
| 17:46.29 | vldcnst | D-Iivil: http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/babyliqour_wm.png |
| 17:46.32 | lcuk | D-Iivil, kiddy valium |
| 17:48.07 | mortini | baseball bat. |
| 17:48.09 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_sjsz2cKFE |
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| 17:48.28 | D-Iivil | especially when they are already tired... they go just grazy and I'm trying to compile a god damn small piece of software nearby... |
| 17:48.43 | lcuk | heya konttori \o |
| 17:48.47 | konttori | hi |
| 17:48.48 | konttori | sup? |
| 17:48.49 | lcuk | D-Iivil, get them involved with compilation |
| 17:48.55 | lcuk | give em a laptop and gentoo |
| 17:49.20 | lcuk | konttori, just chilling after tea :) |
| 17:49.51 | lcuk | hows your hacking going? |
| 17:50.14 | konttori | no much hacking. Well, I did some qml particle effects last week |
| 17:50.38 | konttori | but nothing much. harmattan taking every ounce of my energy for the past month or so |
| 17:50.50 | konttori | looks like we are on the winning end of the battle though |
| 17:50.56 | lcuk | sure |
| 17:51.02 | D-Iivil | vldcnst, LOL that story and images :D |
| 17:51.03 | frals | :) |
| 17:51.12 | RST38h | mooo lcuk, konttori, frals |
| 17:51.24 | frals | EHLO RST38h o/ |
| 17:51.48 | konttori | lcuk: have you made any home screen live wallpapers? |
| 17:51.54 | konttori | would be nice to install some |
| 17:52.08 | lcuk | konttori, ive managed somethings too - w00t_ and a few other guys from collabora have been hacking some things together on liqbase and cleaning up things |
| 17:52.22 | konttori | oh, cool |
| 17:52.41 | lcuk | yeah it would, ive not done much in rgb yet - ive heard theres some nice ogl wallpapers around somewhere though :) |
| 17:52.48 | inz | frals, you're supposed to identify yourself in EHLO, not the other party. |
| 17:52.53 | lcuk | g\o RST38h |
| 17:53.37 | w00t_ | waves at konttori :) |
| 17:53.40 | lcuk | konttori, silly video http://liqbase.net/20100626_005.mp4 |
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| 17:54.48 | konttori | lcuk: sweet |
| 17:55.22 | konttori | lcuk: where are the ogl wallpapers? |
| 17:55.35 | konttori | the video looked pretty smooth. anything else your gallery does? |
| 17:55.39 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 17:55.48 | lcuk | yeah, plenty :p |
| 17:56.43 | lcuk | w00t_ brought the x86 branch back to life too :) |
| 17:58.51 | lcuk | with that rotation stuff its letting me bring the bookreader back - ive been reading in portrait with same kinetics and smoothness i normally have |
| 17:59.20 | lcuk | (reading in landscape on 900 was a bit cramped, but it comes back amazingly so in portrait :) |
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| 18:02.05 | D-Iivil | alterego, ping |
| 18:03.40 | alterego | D-Iivil: pong |
| 18:03.59 | SpeedEvil | I personally don't see the point of smoothness. |
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| 18:04.16 | SpeedEvil | At least for books. It's easier to read if it's static, and you just flip pages. |
| 18:05.07 | D-Iivil | alterego, don't know what's wrong but when I use the .so file built by you it's working. If I build the file myself it won't work :D |
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| 18:05.36 | D-Iivil | alterego, so it must be something to do with buildin @ scratchbox |
| 18:05.40 | Zucca | How do I know if I have uprgaded my N900 to PR1.2? |
| 18:05.55 | alterego | Hrm, D-Iivil what target are you using?# |
| 18:06.02 | SpeedEvil | Zucca: Settings -> about |
| 18:06.23 | D-Iivil | alterego, the sme I use for theme building: FREA |
| 18:06.26 | D-Iivil | oops |
| 18:06.38 | alterego | :) |
| 18:06.41 | D-Iivil | alterego, fremantle_x86 |
| 18:06.51 | alterego | ;) |
| 18:06.57 | D-Iivil | (damn these tiny buttons) |
| 18:07.36 | Zucca | SpeedEvil: http://omploader.org/vNHM5dg/About_N900.jpg |
| 18:08.06 | SpeedEvil | 10.2010 is 1.2 |
| 18:08.08 | lcuk | konttori, are you watching th eworld cup |
| 18:08.23 | SpeedEvil | Also - there are some fun things you can do with peoples IMEIs |
| 18:08.23 | alterego | Zucca: you probably don't want to be pasting that info about .. |
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| 18:09.07 | Zucca | alterego: Jeah just thought about that. :( |
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| 18:09.41 | D-Iivil | btw, does anyone know if it's possible to ssh to N900 via usb-cable? |
| 18:10.00 | D-Iivil | I currently don't have wi-fi @ my summer house |
| 18:10.06 | alterego | D-Iivil: I do it al lthe time |
| 18:10.13 | alterego | Do you use usb networking? |
| 18:10.42 | alterego | D-Iivil: Anyway, open an xterm on the N900, you need to become root, however you do that. then once root do: ifup usb0 |
| 18:10.43 | D-Iivil | alterego, errr... I suppose no since I've never heard the term before. |
| 18:11.11 | alterego | Now on your desktop machine, open a term and type sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 |
| 18:11.18 | alterego | The N900's IP is 192.168.2.15 |
| 18:13.22 | konttori | lcuk: oh shait, will move to telly now. |
| 18:13.57 | lcuk | lol konttori indeed |
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| 18:23.04 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking D-Iivil |
| 18:24.06 | D-Iivil | SpeedEvil, yeah. Found the page as soon as alterego mentioned the magic word "usb networking" |
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| 18:28.12 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 18:31.43 | e-yes | bme strace: ioctl(3, 0x6000, 0xbef73920) = -1 ENOTTY |
| 18:31.50 | e-yes | posiible reason? |
| 18:32.15 | RST38h | there is no tty |
| 18:32.31 | RST38h | the device where you are trying to apply your ioctl is no damn tty |
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| 18:34.05 | ShadowJK | eh |
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| 18:34.53 | ShadowJK | I scrolled up but found no context |
| 18:35.07 | ShadowJK | e-yes: possible reason for what? |
| 18:35.14 | ShadowJK | and are you using power kernel |
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| 18:37.37 | e-yes | RST38h, open("/dev/twl4030-adc", O_RDONLY) = 3 // before. and seems it works in maemo |
| 18:37.46 | D-Iivil | damn this 2G connection... drives me grazy. |
| 18:37.57 | e-yes | ShadowJK, omap1 with some kernel-power patches |
| 18:38.36 | ShadowJK | work in maemo.... what are you doing? |
| 18:38.50 | ShadowJK | do you have bq27200 kernel module btw? |
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| 18:39.18 | e-yes | on bme start - no |
| 18:40.50 | e-yes | loaded after it starts. strace in maemo is after bq27 loaded too |
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| 18:41.59 | RST38h | e-yes: your ioctl is probably wrong |
| 18:42.20 | RST38h | you can open the device all right, but it does not guarantee you that it will support any ioctl |
| 18:42.27 | ShadowJK | uh, this strace is of your own bme? |
| 18:43.09 | ShadowJK | or what, I'm missing context here |
| 18:43.12 | e-yes | it's bme_RX-51 in chroot (to maemo root) |
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| 18:43.46 | ShadowJK | And this strace after bq27200 kernel module loaded? |
| 18:43.52 | e-yes | yes |
| 18:44.03 | ShadowJK | How does bme behave otherwise, what lead you to stracing it? |
| 18:44.44 | e-yes | i wish it running not in maemo (nitdroid) |
| 18:45.09 | flailingmonkey | e-yes: i'm sure you are looking forward to jrbme |
| 18:45.51 | e-yes | flailingmonkey, yes, his post is opened in my browser right now;) |
| 18:45.59 | ShadowJK | e-eye: and it's not working? |
| 18:46.06 | ShadowJK | what post? |
| 18:46.10 | jacekowski | e-yes: are you running it on real device |
| 18:46.15 | jacekowski | e-yes: or in scrachbox |
| 18:46.18 | e-yes | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=658278&postcount=861 |
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| 18:46.43 | e-yes | jacekowski, of couse on real device |
| 18:46.54 | flailingmonkey | jacekowski is even going as far as disassembling and analysing bme |
| 18:47.30 | flailingmonkey | at this point I think he is comparing it with N800 (maybe N810) bme, i'm not sure why |
| 18:47.48 | jacekowski | well, not really comparing |
| 18:47.52 | ShadowJK | The only thing I'd wanna learn from RE of bme is the protocol bme speaks to the rest of the os... |
| 18:48.01 | jacekowski | i just want to see if it's same thing |
| 18:48.03 | ShadowJK | the hw parts we know how to drive :) |
| 18:48.11 | jacekowski | and it seems to be the same |
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| 18:48.35 | ShadowJK | Then you haven't found the right parts yet |
| 18:48.38 | e-yes | reverse engineering is overkill (for me), just want figure out why bme running, but charging doesn't work |
| 18:48.46 | jacekowski | well, i mean the logic is same |
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| 18:48.58 | ShadowJK | bme maemo5 speaks a different protocol than maemo4 bme |
| 18:49.04 | jacekowski | hardware interface part is different |
| 18:49.14 | ShadowJK | and the charging system on N8x0 is vastly different |
| 18:49.28 | ShadowJK | bme can blow up your battery on N8x0 :) |
| 18:49.31 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: logic is almost copy&pasted |
| 18:49.47 | jacekowski | big part of it |
| 18:50.02 | ShadowJK | e-yes: that script wont work btw |
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| 18:50.37 | pcgeek | Okay one thing that is bothering me is that skype video calling does not work |
| 18:50.53 | pcgeek | Is there a bug in the latest update? |
| 18:51.00 | e-yes | I use stock bme, looking in script for a clue what happens in strace |
| 18:51.14 | jacekowski | e-yes: fuck all |
| 18:51.22 | jacekowski | e-yes: strace will look exactly the same |
| 18:51.30 | flailingmonkey | jacekowski: i'm not surprised, and it supports DocScrutinizer's cargocult theory |
| 18:51.30 | ShadowJK | well |
| 18:51.46 | e-yes | jacekowski, strace is without any comments;) |
| 18:51.46 | jacekowski | e-yes: 3rd param is address to struct with all data |
| 18:51.54 | ShadowJK | bme would have files open to detect iknsertion of charger too |
| 18:52.15 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: /sys/something........musb_hdr/charger |
| 18:52.22 | jacekowski | that's one |
| 18:52.25 | jacekowski | and other is /mA |
| 18:52.31 | N900evil | and will get upset if it can't open stuff as normal |
| 18:53.03 | ShadowJK | No, reading that one executes the charger detection test, which determines whether connected device is PC or charger |
| 18:53.42 | jacekowski | yep |
| 18:54.12 | pcgeek | Also why is it necessary to install nitroid to an SD card whats wrong with partitioning the phone |
| 18:54.22 | pcgeek | ? |
| 18:54.29 | ShadowJK | before that it's probably looking at /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/device/connect (or vbus in that dir) (this path is purely from memory, but should give you pointer) |
| 18:54.32 | flailingmonkey | jacekowski: do you think maemo5 bme would work in N8x0? I wonder if it has all of the old code, plus some more, or if it has the same logic, but the parts that access the charge/battery hardware get replaced |
| 18:54.44 | alterego | pcgeek: nothing is wrong with it, why don't you do it. |
| 18:54.48 | e-yes | open("/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mA", O_RDONLY) = 17 |
| 18:54.50 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: Sounds totally unlikely |
| 18:55.06 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it's not |
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| 18:55.22 | pcgeek | I have tried paritioning the phone but then i can't use the camera lols as it needs fatx |
| 18:55.35 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it's looking at vbus |
| 18:55.37 | ptl | it needs fatx? |
| 18:55.43 | pcgeek | fat parition |
| 18:55.49 | ptl | My camera stores correctly on /media/mmc1/DCIM |
| 18:55.51 | ptl | and it's ext3 |
| 18:55.55 | pcgeek | hmm |
| 18:55.56 | ShadowJK | or vbus :) |
| 18:56.12 | pcgeek | thats odd becos thats what i tried doing |
| 18:56.12 | jacekowski | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
| 18:56.19 | pcgeek | o lol |
| 18:56.30 | flailingmonkey | pcgeek: its possible, but not trivial |
| 18:56.34 | pcgeek | I need to edit the path |
| 18:56.43 | pcgeek | which file do i need to edit |
| 18:56.48 | pcgeek | ? |
| 18:56.50 | pcgeek | thanks |
| 18:56.53 | jacekowski | ptl: and you change scripts every update? |
| 18:57.29 | pcgeek | I managed to spilt the disk area in half for both applications and other |
| 18:57.40 | pcgeek | but the camera was being picky |
| 18:57.41 | ptl | jacekowski: basically yet. But that's only two scripts, if I remember it correctly. mmc-mount to fallback to ext3 and some osso-mmc-mount.sh or something like that to add types 82 and 83 to a case statement. |
| 18:58.08 | jacekowski | switch* |
| 18:58.35 | pcgeek | oh I was thinking along the lines of /mmc1 |
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| 18:59.54 | pcgeek | I originally partitioned the phone becos of the crap space for apps&packages |
| 19:00.09 | ShadowJK | e-yes: does it work without bq27200 kernel module? |
| 19:00.16 | cehteh | pcgeek: its only a permissions problem |
| 19:00.21 | cehteh | (with the camera) |
| 19:00.24 | pcgeek | o lol |
| 19:00.44 | pcgeek | I used ssh to modify the parition table |
| 19:00.45 | jacekowski | there is no bq27200 kernel module |
| 19:00.55 | jacekowski | well, bme is not using it |
| 19:01.06 | cehteh | has ext4 on MyDocs and mmc1 |
| 19:01.20 | jacekowski | and if there is kernel module that claims bq27200 it will not allow anything else to communicate with it |
| 19:01.37 | jacekowski | besides bq27200 is not important |
| 19:01.41 | jacekowski | it's just fuel gauge |
| 19:01.48 | flailingmonkey | e-yes: that is one very old post lol, working through the 100 posts up to the point where the thread gets closed? |
| 19:02.19 | e-yes | ShadowJK, no. but bq27200 module loaded before bme fails to start |
| 19:02.24 | pcgeek | hmm so In the maemo system files, what do I need to edit to allow permission |
| 19:02.37 | pcgeek | thanks |
| 19:02.50 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 19:03.01 | ShadowJK | Well we don't know what state bme gets into if it can't access bq27200 :) |
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| 19:03.16 | jacekowski | it just bails out |
| 19:03.17 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have a microSD card (they're willing to reformat), an n900, and some time? |
| 19:03.31 | ShadowJK | jacekowski: at start yeah |
| 19:04.07 | ShadowJK | but he's seeing failure after bme is started without bq27200 module, the module loaded after bme start |
| 19:04.09 | jacekowski | let me take a look |
| 19:04.10 | pcgeek | Well once I solved this camera problem with paritioning the N900, I am going to write a guide for it |
| 19:04.26 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: there is no bq27200 module |
| 19:04.33 | pcgeek | Or is there one I don't know of? |
| 19:04.33 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: bme is directly talking to i2c bus |
| 19:04.36 | pcgeek | thanks |
| 19:05.18 | ShadowJK | jacekowski: there is such a module, bme does not use it, and default maemo kernel config has the kernel module disabled. His kernel has it, though |
| 19:05.48 | e-yes | bq27x00_battery.ko, yes enabled to get battery status |
| 19:06.00 | jacekowski | e-yes: then that module claims i2c device |
| 19:06.17 | jacekowski | e-yes: and in if any in kernel module claims i2c device it's exclusive |
| 19:06.22 | pcgeek | What I usually do is install ssh on both the N900 and Ubuntu or fedora and ssh into the N900 then unmount and redo the partition table and repartition the N900 but I get some cfg errors |
| 19:06.49 | pcgeek | Any workarounds floating around? |
| 19:07.25 | ShadowJK | e-yes: here some scripts to talk to charger and fuel gauge without kernel modules: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ |
| 19:07.37 | e-yes | not sure that i2c_new_device makes exclusive access. but it's possible |
| 19:07.40 | ShadowJK | is charging n900 right now without bme :-) |
| 19:07.47 | dotblank | What script gets called when this command gets called |
| 19:07.49 | dotblank | initctl emit --no-wait G_FILE_STORAGE_READY |
| 19:08.03 | pcgeek | So nokia is supporting the meego OS for the n900 now? |
| 19:08.10 | jacekowski | dotblank: i think it's talking directly to init |
| 19:08.33 | e-yes | ShadowJK, very interesting. thanks |
| 19:08.45 | pcgeek | Anyone know how to get skype video calling working properly? |
| 19:08.46 | dotblank | jacekowski, I was looking at the osso-usb-mass-storage-enable script and found that.. |
| 19:09.01 | pcgeek | also I found some mounting issue |
| 19:09.02 | timeless_mbp | pcgeek: how is it not working properly? |
| 19:09.02 | ShadowJK | pcgeek: what do you mean by supporting, and what do you mean by now? |
| 19:09.11 | jacekowski | e-yes: don't touch it unless you know how these work |
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| 19:09.16 | jacekowski | e-yes: or your battery will explode |
| 19:09.23 | dotblank | jacekowski, i'm trying to found out where it actually maps the storage to the LUNs |
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| 19:09.38 | jacekowski | dotblank: that's done in kernel |
| 19:09.46 | ShadowJK | iirrc N900 was announced as the reference handheld ux platform for meego quite early, and also that Nokia probably will do no commercial meego on n900 |
| 19:10.08 | jacekowski | dotblank: and then udev get's info from kernel and udev is creating device nodes in /dev |
| 19:10.09 | pcgeek | Well when I call someones skype contact or look at someones contact who is online there is no skype video call :( and I can not initiate a video call whilst calling through skype |
| 19:10.14 | dotblank | jacekowski, well its not hard-coded into the kernel is it? I know it uses the g_file_storage module to do it |
| 19:10.23 | pcgeek | Its weird |
| 19:10.26 | timeless_mbp | pcgeek: are they running windows? |
| 19:10.30 | jacekowski | dotblank: oh, you mean that stuff |
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| 19:10.53 | dotblank | jacekowski, yes I would liek to mount my own images and I actually got it to work |
| 19:10.53 | jacekowski | dotblank: i think it's module param when you load it |
| 19:10.55 | pcgeek | Yes&no I have tried this via my PC running both Windows xp&vista and ubuntu |
| 19:11.07 | dotblank | by unlaoding the g_file_module and recreating a new one |
| 19:11.09 | pcgeek | Still no video calling |
| 19:11.09 | e-yes | going to create "external" battery for experiments before:) |
| 19:11.27 | jacekowski | e-yes: good luck blowing up your phone |
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| 19:11.30 | dotblank | jacekowski, well you can specify how many luns are avaiable and you echo the device into /sys |
| 19:11.34 | dotblank | somewhere |
| 19:11.45 | pcgeek | My front camera does work I have tested through a testing app |
| 19:11.45 | jacekowski | dotblank: /sys/module/ |
| 19:11.45 | e-yes | jacekowski, thanks:) |
| 19:11.46 | timeless_mbp | pcgeek: what version of skype on windows? |
| 19:11.51 | pcgeek | latest |
| 19:11.55 | ShadowJK | e-yes: as long as you don't change the voltage param from the 4.2 in that script you should be ok |
| 19:12.01 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.01 | jacekowski | dotblank: or /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget |
| 19:12.03 | timeless_mbp | i don't think the linux desktop client supports the right protocol |
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| 19:12.43 | dotblank | see I think that initctl command is called and then maps those LUNs to devices |
| 19:12.43 | pcgeek | Anyway I can hook in a script to support it |
| 19:12.43 | pcgeek | ? |
| 19:12.58 | pcgeek | So it does it in ram |
| 19:13.05 | timeless_mbp | you can try wine |
| 19:13.05 | dotblank | because nowhere in the usb-mass-storage enable script does it referance and device |
| 19:13.15 | pcgeek | I mean on the N900 |
| 19:13.20 | jacekowski | dotblank: just check module source code |
| 19:13.34 | flailingmonkey | pcgeek: i've heard it's usually successful where the other person starts the video call |
| 19:13.48 | e-yes | I'll try enforce bme to workable state before "hardcore" |
| 19:13.50 | pcgeek | lol thats absurd |
| 19:13.54 | dotblank | jacekowski, my ultimate goal is to boot an operating system from g_file_module |
| 19:13.59 | pcgeek | So there is a bug |
| 19:14.03 | pcgeek | on the N900 |
| 19:14.19 | flailingmonkey | maybe, I've never tried it myself |
| 19:14.19 | dotblank | g_file-storage* |
| 19:14.34 | ShadowJK | oh hey wait wtf, 0x6000? That's not i2c/smbus... |
| 19:14.40 | ShadowJK | .. oh, adc.. hm |
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| 19:15.06 | ShadowJK | yeah if it can't read BSI, atleast maemo4 bme refuses to charge |
| 19:15.18 | pcgeek | So back to my issue before, what do I need to edit to give permission to the camera and Mydocs/mmc1 to use ext3, thanks :) |
| 19:15.54 | ShadowJK | e-yes: is this orig nokia battery installed in n900? |
| 19:15.57 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it is |
| 19:16.08 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it is smbus request |
| 19:16.17 | e-yes | yes |
| 19:16.19 | ShadowJK | isn't that 0x720 |
| 19:17.01 | ShadowJK | and: <e-yes> RST38h, open("/dev/twl4030-adc", O_RDONLY) = 3 // before. and seems it works in maemo |
| 19:17.13 | e-yes | ioctl(4, 0x720, 0xbef3f974) = 0 |
| 19:17.23 | ShadowJK | that's fine |
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| 19:18.50 | jacekowski | well, yeah you're right |
| 19:19.04 | jacekowski | 0x6000 is to get data out of twl4030-adc |
| 19:19.46 | jacekowski | i2c/twl4030-madc.h:#define TWL4030_MADC_IOC_MAGIC '`' |
| 19:19.54 | jacekowski | and ` == 0x60 |
| 19:20.14 | jacekowski | #define TWL4030_MADC_IOCX_ADC_RAW_READ<><------>_IO(TWL4030_MADC_IOC_MAGIC, 0) |
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| 19:21.04 | jacekowski | it would be nice to know what's that |
| 19:21.04 | jacekowski | 2 - ECI_AD |
| 19:21.14 | jacekowski | ECI_AD connected to ADCIN2 on gaia |
| 19:21.17 | pcgeek | anyone? |
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| 19:21.26 | _0x471 | ls -lah |
| 19:21.34 | ShadowJK | what's adcin2 connected to? |
| 19:21.34 | _0x471 | damn it |
| 19:21.51 | flailingmonkey | pcgeek: i think the wiki might actually have something about repartitioning, and it might cover camera |
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| 19:22.04 | pcgeek | Ive been on the wiki |
| 19:22.04 | timeless_mbp | drwxr-xr-x 29 timeless users 4.0K 2010-06-09 03:55 ./ |
| 19:22.10 | timeless_mbp | drwxr-xr-x 68 root root 4.0K 2010-05-31 13:28 ../ |
| 19:22.12 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 19:22.56 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: it's named ECI_AD, and it's connected to IN+ on something that looks like opamp |
| 19:23.11 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: and |
| 19:23.20 | ShadowJK | oh it goes to BSI probably |
| 19:23.21 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: one input on analogue switch |
| 19:23.32 | jacekowski | nah, bsi is connected to ADCIN4 |
| 19:23.47 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 19:23.51 | jacekowski | and ECI_AD is connected to "Microphone Interface" as well |
| 19:23.55 | pcgeek | Has anyone here re flashed the N900 to the previous firmware as if skype video calling is not bug free, I dont really need this update |
| 19:23.58 | jacekowski | to Mic2p |
| 19:24.21 | N900evil | jacekowski: headset button? |
| 19:24.24 | jacekowski | but that's strange |
| 19:24.28 | jacekowski | as BME is reading that |
| 19:24.40 | N900evil | oh |
| 19:24.47 | jacekowski | why would bme be interested in something like that |
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| 19:25.07 | ShadowJK | Coincidentally pulseaudio talks to bme |
| 19:25.37 | jacekowski | WTF??? |
| 19:25.52 | jacekowski | are you sure? |
| 19:25.58 | pcgeek | who me |
| 19:26.09 | jacekowski | do we pulseaudio source code |
| 19:26.15 | jacekowski | i mean nokia version of it |
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| 19:26.37 | ShadowJK | Check /proc/$(pidof pulseaudio)/maps for bme.. |
| 19:27.36 | ShadowJK | libbmeipc |
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| 19:27.55 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 19:28.17 | ShadowJK | Maybe bme reads state of headphone socket and passes it on to bme / rest of os |
| 19:28.28 | ShadowJK | on to pulseaudio* |
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| 19:28.56 | jacekowski | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ldd /usr/bin/pulseaudio | grep bme | wc -l |
| 19:28.57 | jacekowski | 0 |
| 19:28.59 | jacekowski | it's not bme |
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| 19:29.01 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 19:29.04 | jacekowski | it's not pulseaudio |
| 19:29.13 | jacekowski | it's something else that PA depends on |
| 19:29.23 | jacekowski | but PA itself is not talking to bme |
| 19:29.28 | jacekowski | not directly at lease |
| 19:29.38 | ShadowJK | Maybe it dlopens it |
| 19:29.47 | jacekowski | very unlikely |
| 19:29.56 | ShadowJK | since pa has plugin design anyway |
| 19:30.04 | alterego | extremely unlikely. |
| 19:30.49 | ShadowJK | Well I'd ldd the Nokia pa plugins then? :) |
| 19:31.18 | jacekowski | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > objdump -T /usr/bin/pulseaudio | grep dlopen |
| 19:31.18 | jacekowski | 0000d8c8 DF *UND* 00000074 GLIBC_2.4 dlopen |
| 19:31.24 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 19:31.27 | pcgeek | I have lost the wiki for paritioning the n900 anyone have the link |
| 19:31.28 | pcgeek | thanks |
| 19:31.36 | jacekowski | but that's probably for plugins |
| 19:32.05 | alterego | Yes, that is for plugins :P |
| 19:33.43 | jacekowski | Nokia-N900-02-8:/proc/778# for i in `cat maps | cut -c50- | sort| uniq`;do ldd $i| grep bme >/dev/null; AA=$?; if [ $AA -eq 0 ]; then echo $i;fi;done 2>/dev/null |
| 19:33.46 | jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/libnokia-common.so |
| 19:33.49 | jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-music.so |
| 19:33.51 | jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-record.so |
| 19:33.54 | jacekowski | /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-voice.so |
| 19:33.54 | ShadowJK | grep bmeipc /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/* |
| 19:34.46 | jacekowski | but why? |
| 19:35.27 | e-yes | dpkg -keyShowMeWhoDependsOn libbmeipc0 ? |
| 19:35.40 | ShadowJK | Maybe only one process can use twl4030 adc and bme was chosen to pass on headphone socket status |
| 19:35.52 | jacekowski | no |
| 19:35.55 | ShadowJK | and do the headphone/headset/tv detection |
| 19:35.57 | alterego | jacekowski: could it be because they all depend on libnokia-common? |
| 19:36.12 | e-yes | headset detection here - /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/headphone/* |
| 19:36.25 | jacekowski | alterego: then only libnokia-common would depend on libbmeipc |
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| 19:36.36 | jacekowski | would link with * |
| 19:36.49 | ShadowJK | e-yes: well it can distinguish between headphone and headset too |
| 19:37.15 | jacekowski | besides, it's from microphone |
| 19:37.15 | flailingmonkey | bme, the beast that never ends |
| 19:37.18 | jacekowski | not from headset |
| 19:37.22 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:37.39 | BCMM | flailingmonkey: no, "never" starts with "n", not "m" |
| 19:37.43 | alterego | bme (bastard management entitiy) |
| 19:38.12 | ShadowJK | Well presence of a microphone on the fourth pin would make it a headset rather than headphone :P |
| 19:38.32 | jacekowski | headmicrophone |
| 19:38.36 | e-yes | it's all done in kernel, in nokia-av |
| 19:39.00 | ShadowJK | hm |
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| 19:41.35 | alterego | I'm quite liking GLSL |
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| 19:41.54 | alterego | In some ways, though it's a bit of a head fuck, having to manually program everything yourself. |
| 19:43.28 | eitama_ | Hello guys, I need help - I implement a dbus service in my app, to allow opening it via dbus, the dbus works great, but if the app is already hidden, and I click the icon, the app is not shown. |
| 19:44.23 | alterego | You need to look into 'top_application' in osso I believe. |
| 19:44.58 | eitama_ | hmmm |
| 19:45.22 | flailingmonkey | BCMM: it isn't an m, it's an n that just never stopped |
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| 19:46.58 | eitama_ | thanks alterego |
| 19:47.01 | eitama_ | you helped me lots! |
| 19:49.31 | alterego | eitama_: no problem :) |
| 19:50.08 | eitama_ | WOW |
| 19:50.10 | eitama_ | it worked |
| 19:50.21 | eitama_ | kinda stupid, the method's name HAS to be top_application() |
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| 20:13.52 | sar3th | flux: i ran fsck.vfat, but in the end, it said "Leaving filesystems unchanged", what did i do wrong? |
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| 20:22.00 | e-yes | jacekowski, ShadowJK, guyz, it looks like you have rx51 schematic that I can trust. what is file name? |
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| 20:23.53 | SpeedEvil | e-yes: see the wiki |
| 20:24.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic |
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| 20:26.03 | e-yes | SpeedEvil, thanks |
| 20:26.11 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 20:26.28 | SpeedEvil | see also [[Category:N900 Hardware]] |
| 20:27.25 | e-yes | i saw other files over internet, like RX51_Schematics_v2_0 etc. that's why I asking;) |
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| 20:39.52 | SpeedEvil | The above schematic has not been found to be inaccurate. |
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| 20:46.28 | jacekowski | e-yes: jacekowski.org/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf |
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| 20:51.40 | mece | evenin |
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| 20:55.48 | pyther24 | Hello |
| 20:56.06 | pyther24 | Is there anyway to get the alarm to continuously play until I press stop? |
| 20:56.16 | pyther24 | Currently it plays twice and then "auto-snoozes" |
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| 20:56.50 | asj__ | pyther24: write your own alarm? ;) |
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| 20:57.06 | pyther24 | asj__, is that the only way? |
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| 20:59.04 | hardaker | pyther24: no, you can ask asj__ to write an alarm for you too. :-P |
| 20:59.54 | pyther24 | Is the alarm source publicly available? And if so where? |
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| 21:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (Maybe only one process can use twl4030 adc and bme was chosen to pass on headphone socket status) brilliant :-) probably you hit the spot |
| 21:07.08 | mece | pyther24, did you check the clock apps? flipclock anbd whatnot? |
| 21:07.38 | pyther24 | mece, do those both do alarms? |
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| 21:09.33 | pyther24 | Maybe if I use a song as an alarmtone I can get the desired effect for the alarm to last longer |
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| 21:11.58 | D-Iivil | is sleepless in the middle of nowhere |
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| 21:13.04 | ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: maybe the secret nokia-av protocol is why bme can't be "opened" ;-) |
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| 21:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: secret nokia av protocol? please elaborate, you lost me |
| 21:16.47 | ShadowJK | headset/headphone/playback_buttons/headset_button/tvout |
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| 21:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there's not much secret in there |
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| 21:19.01 | ShadowJK | Well Nokia considers it secret I think :P |
| 21:19.10 | ShadowJK | parts of it atleast |
| 21:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | citation needed |
| 21:19.40 | ShadowJK | like the play/pause/stop/next/previous buttons (that don't work on n900 anyway) |
| 21:19.55 | ShadowJK | though mic detection has spec on forum.nokia iirc |
| 21:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf |
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| 21:21.51 | eitama_ | Hey guys. I'm trying to call fastSMS from a Qt application and something is not working for me, I am getting the following error : "The name it.rsc.fastsms was not provided by any .service files" |
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| 21:22.42 | eitama_ | Fast sms does register a dbus service : http://pastebin.com/Que6wubn |
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| 21:24.21 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: that's only audio, nothing about the controls |
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| 21:26.05 | ShadowJK | There seems to be two different signaling methods for the buttons too |
| 21:26.27 | mece | threw fheroes2 into testing. I'll let it stew there while I'm on vacation. Let it gather some opinions ;) |
| 21:26.33 | ShadowJK | One (presumably simpler?) for headsets with just one single answer button |
| 21:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sems the extended controls in wired AV aren't supported on N900 anyway - at least in product specs and kernel/whatever |
| 21:27.02 | ShadowJK | and a more complex system for headsets that have multiple buttons |
| 21:27.12 | pyther24 | Has anyone figured out how to listen to iheartradio an maemo? |
| 21:27.32 | ShadowJK | I think someone managed to get single-button ones working |
| 21:29.35 | asj__ | eitama_: I'm not a good dbus person, but I think you're missing something, it's not qt, it's dbus related. Just look up dbus service writting |
| 21:30.27 | mece | pyther24, I cant test since it's US only, but what happens if you go to www.iheartradio.com/mediaplayer/ ? |
| 21:30.40 | eitama_ | asj, I am also sure I am missing something. But I don't know what ( |
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| 21:30.46 | eitama_ | and I have read a lot of docs |
| 21:31.10 | pyther24 | mece, well I have to go to a direct stream and it takes like 5 minutes to load |
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| 21:33.03 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 21:35.01 | mece | yeah I'm out. tataa- |
| 21:35.05 | pcgeek | Can some please explain to me why I cannot downgraded my gsm firmware? thanks |
| 21:35.13 | pcgeek | Im so p!!! |
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| 21:35.41 | DrGrov | Finally got my Internet back. Damn ISP.... |
| 21:35.44 | pcgeek | As I can't be on the previous firmware with my network provider :( |
| 21:35.48 | DrGrov | Hello guys and girls |
| 21:36.36 | pcgeek | I downgraded the phones firmware but my gsm is on the one apparently installed by pr1.2 |
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| 21:36.52 | pcgeek | why? have this been done? |
| 21:37.28 | pcgeek | Is there anyway to downgrade the gsm firmware? |
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| 21:37.43 | ShadowJK | The new firmware doesn't work? |
| 21:38.04 | ShadowJK | Is there a bugreport? |
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| 21:38.36 | ShadowJK | And I think I saw once on talk.maemo.org a thread where people had figured out how to downgrade it.. |
| 21:38.51 | pcgeek | hmm Im researching it now |
| 21:39.06 | pcgeek | I don't agree with this at all |
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| 21:42.36 | ShadowJK | Check that Network Mode in Settings->Phone is "Dual"... |
| 21:43.06 | pcgeek | wont make any difference |
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| 21:43.28 | pcgeek | its now in a mix state |
| 21:43.47 | pcgeek | brb |
| 21:45.48 | steinex | Hi, short question: I want to flash my N900 with the FIASCO and the eMMC image. the tablet-dev.nokia.com site states: |
| 21:45.51 | steinex | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! |
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| 21:46.27 | steinex | however, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Linux states about the FIASCO image: "It should start flashing and then reboot." |
| 21:46.31 | steinex | so how do i do it? |
| 21:46.55 | ShadowJK | I think if you give -r option to flasher the device is rebooted |
| 21:46.58 | b-man | exclude the -r argument while flashing |
| 21:47.04 | ShadowJK | and if you leave it out it isn't |
| 21:47.07 | steinex | ah ok |
| 21:47.09 | b-man | nvm xD |
| 21:47.11 | steinex | thanks |
| 21:47.50 | b-man | w00t!!, my N900 successfully compiled qemu i386-softmmu without crashing |
| 21:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: where does it state you should flash rootfs first?? |
| 21:48.30 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php states this |
| 21:48.44 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: i wanted to ask the same because the wiki states to flash the eMMC first... |
| 21:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | LOL - they are wrong |
| 21:48.52 | steinex | i should just flash eMMC first, right? |
| 21:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: yes |
| 21:49.13 | steinex | ok, thank you |
| 21:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: actually if you don't reboot in between the two flash procedures, it's irrelevant |
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| 21:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | if however you accidentally boot the device between the two, then it's better to have /-fs flashed *after* eMMC image |
| 21:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: also note please you don't need to flash eMMC for a mere PR1.2 upgrade |
| 21:52.16 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: erm uhm |
| 21:52.23 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 21:52.32 | steinex | "Flashing the eMMC in the N900" |
| 21:52.55 | steinex | there is the same text: "When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!" |
| 21:53.01 | steinex | I'm confused. |
| 21:53.34 | ShadowJK | key thing: don't reboot in between |
| 21:53.45 | steinex | ok, so i will now flash rootfs first |
| 21:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: oops, I missed to fix this one obviously |
| 21:53.52 | DrGrov | brb |
| 21:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: thanks for pointing at it |
| 21:54.10 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: ah, so it's definitely wrong and i need to flash eMMC first (really)? |
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| 21:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:54.22 | steinex | i trust you. :p |
| 21:54.31 | steinex | can i brick something seriously? |
| 21:54.46 | ShadowJK | Not seeriously |
| 21:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: though see ShadowJK ^^^ |
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| 21:55.24 | b-man | well, if you somehow wipe out the x-loader like i did with my N800... xD |
| 21:56.00 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: flashing eMMC is not well explained though... |
| 21:56.30 | steinex | should i run the flasher-3.5 with usb cable plugged in and then just power up the phone? |
| 21:56.37 | b-man | yes |
| 21:56.46 | steinex | or do i need to press "u" like it is explained in flashing rootfs? |
| 21:57.04 | ShadowJK | start flasher before plugging in phone |
| 21:57.05 | b-man | you should do both |
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| 21:58.35 | steinex | Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA |
| 21:58.36 | steinex | FIASCO subimage data length mismatch |
| 21:58.40 | steinex | mhh... |
| 21:58.52 | alterego | Corrupt download |
| 21:59.01 | steinex | this was the eMMC actually |
| 21:59.21 | alterego | Which is also a FIASCO image |
| 21:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: some noob reverted my edits on wiki :-( |
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| 22:00.07 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:00.16 | ShadowJK | wiki vandalism :) |
| 22:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&diff=36095&oldid=35655 |
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| 22:02.08 | b-man | hmm |
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| 22:02.35 | crashanddie | god be fucking damned, I got fined on my push bike :( |
| 22:02.47 | pyther24 | crashanddie, how? |
| 22:02.55 | crashanddie | by the cops |
| 22:03.03 | crashanddie | because I was driving in a bus lane |
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| 22:03.38 | b-man | crashanddie: good thing you don't live in Davis California lol |
| 22:03.41 | crashanddie | I was wearing a helmet, a hi-viz vest, and hi-viz bracelets on my legs |
| 22:03.52 | crashanddie | 90 euros ($120) |
| 22:04.06 | crashanddie | what the fuck, seriously |
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| 22:04.54 | crashanddie | how can laws be so bloody degenerate? There's no busses after 9PM, it's 11PM, and I'm not allowed to ride in a bus lane? |
| 22:04.58 | ShadowJK | Obviously your bike isn't registered as a bus :D |
| 22:05.05 | b-man | xD |
| 22:05.21 | pyther24 | crashanddie, are you able to fit it in court? |
| 22:05.36 | crashanddie | no |
| 22:05.49 | crashanddie | well, i could, but I'm not going to bother |
| 22:06.05 | crashanddie | the law says I'm wrong, and the police officer was there, so I'll get the fine anyhoo |
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| 22:06.17 | crashanddie | it's not like in the US, where the officer needs to be there if I uphold it |
| 22:06.17 | pyther24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.33 | crashanddie | and you can't change laws in courts |
| 22:06.40 | steinex | hmmm |
| 22:06.46 | pyther24 | yah that sucks |
| 22:06.46 | steinex | i now have the usb icon on my n900 |
| 22:06.57 | steinex | but the flasher still says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 22:07.05 | pyther24 | what sucks more is the alarm clock! |
| 22:07.15 | b-man | steinex: you may need to re-connect |
| 22:07.20 | jacekowski | crashanddie: i'm going to court for drinking in a car |
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| 22:07.28 | jacekowski | crashanddie: because i refused to take fixed penalty |
| 22:07.45 | luke-jr | crashanddie: I got fined $16 because I was like 2 minutes late to my parking meter :/ |
| 22:07.53 | luke-jr | which is $1/hr |
| 22:07.59 | crashanddie | heh |
| 22:08.01 | ShadowJK | battery too low, or a driver on your PC grabbing N900 before flasher can cause it |
| 22:08.04 | crashanddie | I saw another one that made me smiule |
| 22:08.06 | crashanddie | smile** |
| 22:08.08 | pyther24 | jacekowski, I hope you weren't drinking alcohol |
| 22:08.16 | jacekowski | pyther24: just pepsi |
| 22:08.18 | crashanddie | in Montpellier, specific areas are 22euros a day for parking |
| 22:08.21 | jacekowski | pyther24: from a bottle |
| 22:08.32 | pyther24 | that sucks, in the USA or europe? |
| 22:08.32 | crashanddie | if you leave it there all day, and don't pay, you get a single 11euro fine |
| 22:08.36 | jacekowski | eu |
| 22:09.06 | ShadowJK | I laughed onve when someone got fined for walking when the light was red |
| 22:09.06 | b-man | rofl |
| 22:09.06 | crashanddie | well, jaywalking can be dangerous |
| 22:09.06 | jacekowski | i was like WTF when he stopped me |
| 22:09.12 | crashanddie | but seriously, how the fuck do they justify this shit? |
| 22:09.20 | jacekowski | crashanddie: well, i was crossing on red light very often in front of police car |
| 22:09.28 | jacekowski | i mean on pedestrian crossing |
| 22:09.35 | jacekowski | after their light turned to green |
| 22:09.42 | b-man | jacekowski: i guess he got bored that day :) |
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| 22:09.51 | steinex | strange |
| 22:09.55 | ShadowJK | The city planning office needs to take bus timetables into account and update the signs to allow bikes after busses stop running :) |
| 22:09.56 | steinex | it doesnt start to flash |
| 22:10.06 | wazd | Finaly I've done what I've wanted to do long time ago: http://habreffect.ru/files/f59/129a92edd/opera_n900.jpg |
| 22:10.12 | crashanddie | I got done for dangerous driving (and I was driving like an idiot) in a mountain pass, taking over people with really not enough space to do so, and managed to talk the cop into giving me the minimum fine, 27 euros |
| 22:10.18 | crashanddie | this is quite a few years ago |
| 22:10.20 | jacekowski | b-man: well, thing is that it's not illegal as such |
| 22:10.30 | crashanddie | I can't believe I'm going to pay nearly 4 times as much for CYCLING |
| 22:10.39 | jacekowski | b-man: so i might be able to win in court |
| 22:10.58 | b-man | :) |
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| 22:11.57 | jacekowski | it's illegal to do anything dangerous |
| 22:12.10 | jacekowski | but it's hard to say if drinking from a bottle is dangerous |
| 22:12.28 | pyther24 | did it have a straw? |
| 22:12.31 | jacekowski | no |
| 22:12.47 | jacekowski | i had to open it |
| 22:13.03 | luke-jr | happily writes Perl on his N810 whilest driving... |
| 22:13.18 | pyther24 | luke-jr, :-/ |
| 22:13.18 | lcuk | wazd, add a few more bookmarks |
| 22:13.19 | jacekowski | so shit happens |
| 22:13.20 | Mousey | wishes he could buy a new n810 |
| 22:13.20 | lcuk | thats unused |
| 22:13.25 | pyther24 | now that is dangerous |
| 22:13.28 | lcuk | haha mousey |
| 22:13.31 | Mousey | =( |
| 22:13.40 | jacekowski | my company doesn't have money to pay this month wages |
| 22:13.50 | jacekowski | and might go into administration soon |
| 22:13.51 | luke-jr | pyther24: j/k :) |
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| 22:14.01 | luke-jr | pyther24: I just run kismet :D |
| 22:14.01 | b-man | luke-jr: and i thought texting was dangerous xD |
| 22:14.04 | lcuk | pupnik has one - pristine! http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg |
| 22:14.06 | jacekowski | so i'm looking for a new job |
| 22:14.28 | lcuk | Mousey, ^ |
| 22:14.32 | lcuk | hey b-man \o |
| 22:14.36 | lcuk | are you still da-man? |
| 22:14.40 | Mousey | clicks |
| 22:14.48 | luke-jr | no! it's porn! |
| 22:14.49 | marcus | How can I tell Maemo 5 (n900) that my app is a portrait mode app? I've read something regarding FremantleAutoRotation module, but that's with rotation. |
| 22:14.51 | Jartza | I'm just looking for a new projects. |
| 22:14.52 | Mousey | man |
| 22:14.52 | b-man | LOL |
| 22:14.54 | Macer | hm |
| 22:14.54 | Mousey | type much? |
| 22:15.02 | Macer | microb kind of sucks |
| 22:15.03 | b-man | lcuk: ya |
| 22:15.05 | pyther24 | luke-jr, the said thing is that on my daily commute of 1 1/2hrs I see at least two people text and driving and I'm not even looking for it |
| 22:15.12 | pyther24 | s/said/sad |
| 22:15.22 | lcuk | wazd, install opera and make better screenshot including some extra links :) |
| 22:15.29 | luke-jr | pyther24: someone needs to port that Android speech recog IRC to Maemo ;) |
| 22:15.46 | lcuk | it looks empty compared to the others |
| 22:15.53 | b-man | pupnik was doing some serious typing on his N810's kb 0_o |
| 22:16.07 | pyther24 | luke-jr, that would be really cool |
| 22:17.24 | steinex | hmm |
| 22:17.34 | luke-jr | b-man: or spilt on it... <.< |
| 22:17.36 | steinex | i did both flashes without -R |
| 22:17.40 | steinex | how can i reboot now? |
| 22:17.44 | puphome | spilt what, that's just wear and tear |
| 22:17.56 | steinex | or should i reflash with -R? |
| 22:17.58 | pyther24 | I should write a script that could auto disconnect my IM accounts |
| 22:18.08 | pyther24 | since the wireless network at work blocks all ports but 80 and 443 |
| 22:18.34 | luke-jr | pyther24: bypass it |
| 22:18.57 | b-man | is too obsessed in keeping is N900 in top shape >_< |
| 22:18.58 | pyther24 | luke-jr, well I could do that but then I'd have to change the connections to connect via localhost |
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| 22:19.17 | pyther24 | and then change them back when I get home :-/ |
| 22:19.28 | luke-jr | pyther24: nah |
| 22:19.35 | luke-jr | just run OpenVPN on port 443 or such |
| 22:19.40 | luke-jr | or use a tap tunnel |
| 22:19.57 | pyther24 | luke-jr, could I do said activity for select ports? |
| 22:20.04 | pyther24 | Say keep 80 and 443 using the default network? |
| 22:20.16 | luke-jr | theoreticalyl, but why? :P |
| 22:20.30 | luke-jr | you'd need to use iptables to match those ports, and set a marker |
| 22:20.36 | luke-jr | then route different based on marker |
| 22:20.38 | pyther24 | why tunnel http traffic when local traffic is so much faster |
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| 22:21.59 | wazd | is drooling over bug-free Marina |
| 22:22.15 | b-man | ~ping MohammadAG51 |
| 22:22.16 | infobot | pong MohammadAG51 |
| 22:22.22 | luke-jr | ~ping b-man |
| 22:22.23 | infobot | pong b-man |
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| 22:22.47 | puphome | copyright sucks |
| 22:22.53 | MohammadAG51 | pings DocScrutinizer |
| 22:22.56 | puphome | we need to start killing lawyers |
| 22:23.02 | b-man | lol |
| 22:23.14 | b-man | there's too many in the U.S. |
| 22:23.18 | luke-jr | puphome: but we can't abolish copyright w/o lawyers! |
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| 22:23.33 | Cabletwitch | Yo |
| 22:23.47 | puphome | i'd like to prove you wrong luke-jr |
| 22:23.54 | puphome | not gonna happen though, sorry |
| 22:23.58 | luke-jr | puphome: I'd like you to, as well |
| 22:24.05 | luke-jr | Cabletwitch: Hello Maemo user |
| 22:24.33 | Cabletwitch | Yep, that'd be me. |
| 22:24.52 | b-man | gah, too much assembler messages from gcc xP |
| 22:24.59 | b-man | *many |
| 22:25.14 | MohammadAG51 | love it when qemu segfaults |
| 22:25.15 | Cabletwitch | Well, more maemo breaker, but I guess I have to use it to break it. |
| 22:25.52 | b-man | MohammadAG51: that's what i'm compiling right now xD |
| 22:25.59 | b-man | on my N900 xD |
| 22:26.11 | MohammadAG51 | qemu compilation ON the N900? |
| 22:26.15 | b-man | yup |
| 22:26.35 | luke-jr | is semi-scared to install Gentoo on N900 |
| 22:26.35 | Cabletwitch | That sounds suspiciously like masochism. |
| 22:27.01 | luke-jr | on my N810, it's on a MicroSD that I can just replace... |
| 22:27.04 | b-man | luke-jr: i've ran it :) |
| 22:27.12 | luke-jr | but I'm scared to put Gentoo on any kind of internal flash drive |
| 22:27.28 | b-man | heh |
| 22:27.37 | luke-jr | wonders if a spare 2 GB MicroSD mounted as /var/tmp and swap would make it work |
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| 22:27.50 | pyther24 | is it possible to get the virtual keyboard in the web browser? |
| 22:28.31 | luke-jr | >>> Emerging (6 of 1089) sys-devel/m4-1.4.12 |
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| 22:40.00 | steinex | is nokia messagine pure push email? |
| 22:40.02 | steinex | is it nice? |
| 22:40.08 | steinex | messaging* |
| 22:40.29 | steinex | i think to use it instead several imap-accounts for not-so-draining my battery |
| 22:40.39 | pyther24 | I should probably do some work |
| 22:40.52 | asj | steinex: it used to work for me |
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| 22:57.06 | jaem | 'Afternoon |
| 22:57.14 | SpeedEvil | ' |
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| 22:57.29 | jaem | SpeedEvil, the '\'' is for "Good" :P |
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| 22:57.47 | jef91 | When MeeGo comes out tomorrow for handsets, does that mean N900 support? |
| 22:58.23 | haltdef | no official n900 support afaik |
| 22:58.32 | jaem | jef91, potentially, I would think, in the sense that the community would have something to run on said phone. It doesn't mean any more or less than we previously heard, though. |
| 22:58.35 | asj | jef91: of course it does. And remember when quoting me to say "some random guy on irc said so" |
| 22:58.35 | jef91 | I didn't say anything about official |
| 22:58.46 | jaem | asj, win. :) |
| 22:59.07 | jef91 | Okie dokie. Think we will be able to dual boot it with Maemo? |
| 22:59.11 | jaem | jef91, I'm not sure of the status of the port. But yeah, having the UI/UX layer kind of helps. |
| 22:59.24 | jaem | jef91, I think there's a thread on that. |
| 22:59.52 | jef91 | Cool, I'll have to go poke around tmo |
| 23:00.56 | jaem | jef91, I'll have to check as well. All of our handsets are allocated right now, so I won't be able to borrow a spare to try it out :P |
| 23:01.12 | jaem | If you find anything useful on that, please throw a link my way. |
| 23:01.35 | jef91 | I'm assuming they will release for n900 tomorrow |
| 23:01.43 | jef91 | what else would they release? The nexus one or the iphone? |
| 23:01.55 | jaem | jef91, definitely the iPhone. ;) |
| 23:02.08 | jaem | Because Steve is totally cool with running third-party OSes on it. |
| 23:02.09 | jaem | Heh |
| 23:02.14 | MohammadAG51 | wraps sarcasm tags |
| 23:02.14 | luke-jr | lol |
| 23:02.17 | jef91 | LOL |
| 23:02.27 | raster | steve is a stand-up bloke |
| 23:02.31 | jef91 | I watching the fryo port closely to n900 |
| 23:02.41 | jef91 | Hoping to try boot t3h sexy n900 some day ;) |
| 23:02.44 | raster | loves steviepoos and everything he touches |
| 23:02.46 | MohammadAG51 | steve like reinventing stuff |
| 23:02.48 | jaem | raster, he stands up all the time... it's what he says while standing up that's the problem. |
| 23:02.49 | asj | jef91: they would release it for desktop x86 |
| 23:03.10 | raster | jaem: </sarcasm> :) |
| 23:03.31 | raster | (yeah.... i dont open my tags. i just close them. you get to guess where they opened :)) |
| 23:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: imap poll probably isn't the battery killer |
| 23:03.45 | asj | raster: right after the last one closes? |
| 23:03.47 | jaem | raster, that's pretty standard... |
| 23:03.55 | jaem | asj, *badum-pssh* |
| 23:04.02 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, znc down :) |
| 23:04.12 | SpeedEvil | jaem: the ' is for both good, and evening. |
| 23:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | raster: :-D o/ |
| 23:04.17 | SpeedEvil | jaem: /me is lazy. |
| 23:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: oops |
| 23:04.44 | MohammadAG51 | Caught oops, dying |
| 23:05.22 | raster | jaem: :) don't worry - we're on the same page :) i just saw some opportunity for fun :) |
| 23:05.27 | raster | DocScrutinizer: pants! |
| 23:05.31 | raster | asj: hehehe |
| 23:05.32 | SpeedEvil | wants meego image tomorrow, that can run android apps, with a nice opensource everything (including wifi firmware). |
| 23:05.42 | jef91 | pffff |
| 23:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: box down :-( |
| 23:05.49 | jef91 | keep dreaming speedevil |
| 23:05.59 | SpeedEvil | Handwriting recognition, voice recognition. |
| 23:06.20 | raster | keeps lurking and monitoring all the meego stuffsors from afar |
| 23:06.22 | jef91 | I would settle for full n900 support |
| 23:06.29 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 23:06.31 | SpeedEvil | See above. |
| 23:06.47 | jef91 | Not "offcial support" |
| 23:06.50 | crashanddie | I would settle for a $200k cheque from Nokia |
| 23:06.53 | jef91 | Just full support |
| 23:07.01 | SpeedEvil | It's not full support unless it can do semaphore. |
| 23:07.04 | asj | crashanddie: why only $200k? |
| 23:07.04 | raster | chances are that inside nokia they have been busy working on meego on a next-gen product after the n900 |
| 23:07.10 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, tsk tsk tsk :p |
| 23:07.14 | raster | and are loathe to spend the time and effort to back-port to n900 |
| 23:07.15 | crashanddie | asj: why only "full support"? |
| 23:07.15 | SpeedEvil | ponders semaphore recognition on the front camera. |
| 23:07.47 | raster | and thus no official meego - but they likely will toss it over the wall and go "hey - here. make your own n900 port" |
| 23:07.47 | raster | :) |
| 23:08.06 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: you need to shoot geneven once and for all |
| 23:08.10 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't be astonished that the n900 is the targeted platform. |
| 23:08.14 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I'm sick and tired of his threads popping up all the time |
| 23:08.16 | jef91 | If it has the maemo kernel compents all the hardware will work |
| 23:08.18 | ljp | n900 is a reference platform for meego... |
| 23:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 23:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: pm |
| 23:08.34 | crashanddie | ljp: please leave your cave every once in a while |
| 23:10.03 | crashanddie | is everyone just shutting up because they're hoping to see a trollfight? |
| 23:10.32 | raster | SpeedEvil: i'd actually be surprised if it is :) |
| 23:11.27 | ljp | wonders what part of "reference platform" do people not understand |
| 23:11.30 | raster | but hey... it's nokia. they may work differently - but in my experience r&d inc ompaneis is already using a next gen prototype when the current one is out the door as a product |
| 23:11.41 | raster | and thus all their software work is on that - not the previous bit of hw |
| 23:11.45 | raster | (generally speaking) |
| 23:13.00 | jef91 | are there plans for an n910 like there was an n810? |
| 23:13.05 | ljp | nope. we dont work on prototypes |
| 23:13.26 | raster | ljp: how interesting |
| 23:13.43 | jaem | jef91, Anybody's guess at this point. |
| 23:13.46 | raster | re-arranges his collection of prototypes |
| 23:13.49 | jaem | It would be nice, but don't hold your breath. |
| 23:14.05 | jef91 | Personally I really like Maemo |
| 23:14.12 | jef91 | but maybe it is just that rpm based distros worry me |
| 23:14.41 | jaem | jef91, meh... from the point of view of someone who occasionally has to package stuff, I dislike debian and rpm packages. :P |
| 23:14.54 | jef91 | what do you prefer jaem? |
| 23:14.58 | MohammadAG51 | debian packages ftw |
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| 23:15.12 | jaem | If I can get a mostly- or entirely FOSS phone that actually is awesome, heck with the packaging format. |
| 23:15.37 | jaem | jef91, I use Arch, which is pretty darn simple to use. Sure it's not as powerful, but it doesn't get in my way. |
| 23:16.05 | luke-jr | jaem: you can't |
| 23:16.18 | jaem | That's strictly an opinion from a user/occasional-packager perspective; I don't have any deep knowledge of the technical aspects of any of the systems. |
| 23:16.25 | jaem | luke-jr, pretend I didn't say that. |
| 23:16.29 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.34 | luke-jr | though I did come across someone who is working on a free GSM client implemetnation |
| 23:16.41 | jaem | luke-jr, yes, you did. |
| 23:16.48 | jaem | At least, I think you were here when someone mentioned it. |
| 23:16.55 | luke-jr | nah, it was in #FSF :) |
| 23:16.56 | jef91 | I have been meaning to try Arch jaem, but it doesn't like my wired network card on my laptop for some reason last I tried (few months back) |
| 23:17.06 | luke-jr | I only saw OpenBTS (GSM *service*) mentioned here |
| 23:17.22 | jaem | I just meant that the N900 is (IMO) better than its competitors in the major points that I care about, so I consider packaging trivial in that context. |
| 23:17.59 | luke-jr | would be awesome if a major government realized that CompanyX making both hardware and the software included on it was a monopolistic practice |
| 23:18.06 | jaem | jef91, I've had some issues with setup on laptops. What I usually do is to use the Chakra Project's Alpha5 LiveCD to do the initial install/config, then strip it down and reinstall stock KDE/whatever. |
| 23:18.08 | luke-jr | and forced hardware manufs to just deliver hardware |
| 23:18.23 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: wouldn't be legal to sell it alas. |
| 23:18.24 | jaem | jef91, I can PM you if you want some advice on that |
| 23:18.24 | luke-jr | and let software developers brand and sell the finished product |
| 23:18.37 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: and the open GSM stack is the other half of openbts |
| 23:19.44 | luke-jr | now if only someone made an open CDMA stack and ported it to the N900's modem... |
| 23:19.46 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: any ideas on what is in /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/suspend? |
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| 23:22.38 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Only evil! I once looked at that file, and my head completely fell off, nad exploded. |
| 23:22.43 | SpeedEvil | Fortunately, I got better. |
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| 23:23.09 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it all devices have /suspend dirs - look at them. |
| 23:23.24 | SpeedEvil | I thin they are something to do with suspending. |
| 23:23.31 | SpeedEvil | Thouhg I haven't looked deeper than that. |
| 23:24.00 | SpeedEvil | (that is - it's unlikely to be directly o do with USB suspends) |
| 23:24.45 | jacekowski | well that's usb suspend status |
| 23:24.50 | jacekowski | and it seems to be otg related |
| 23:25.07 | jacekowski | but i'm not really in a mood to go deeper into that pile of crap |
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| 23:25.49 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:25.58 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm not properly woken up. |
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| 23:27.23 | b-man | something tells me compiling the x86_64-softmmu target of qemu on my N900 isn't going to go well... |
| 23:27.52 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 23:27.56 | jacekowski | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest |
| 23:27.57 | MohammadAG51 | i'm not a something b-man |
| 23:28.04 | b-man | LOL |
| 23:28.06 | jacekowski | does LED 4 fails on all phones? |
| 23:28.43 | MohammadAG51 | nice test |
| 23:28.49 | MohammadAG51 | says OK here |
| 23:29.12 | jacekowski | so it's only mine that fails |
| 23:29.27 | SpeedEvil | 'ok |
| 23:29.46 | MohammadAG51 | good evening ok? |
| 23:30.04 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, decide on one meaning for ' please :P |
| 23:31.23 | SpeedEvil | It means anything I want it to mean |
| 23:31.34 | SpeedEvil | In this case, it was a mistyped " |
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| 23:31.40 | SpeedEvil | and I forgot the trailing one |
| 23:31.51 | jaem | jacekowski, messing around in /sys/, are we? |
| 23:31.54 | SpeedEvil | http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ |
| 23:31.58 | SpeedEvil | lcuk |
| 23:32.01 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:32.03 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: |
| 23:32.20 | b-man | waits for his N900 to commit suicide from trying to run x86-64 emulation |
| 23:32.38 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, oh, and I fixed the package in -testing (the one you reported a license bug against) |
| 23:33.05 | jacekowski | jaem: we're messing around with bme and i found that while looking around |
| 23:33.13 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, that's nice and all, but useless to me :( |
| 23:33.40 | jaem | jacekowski, heh... I remember fiddling with the self-tests in there a while back... |
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| 23:34.17 | _Lucretia_ | hi, I have a need to build my own toolchain, can someone point me at a document which will point me in the right direction? thanks |
| 23:34.21 | jaem | I was worried about the accelerometers until I realized that the fact that I was on a train *might* have caused issues with that feature. :P |
| 23:34.27 | _Lucretia_ | SpeedEvil: hi : |
| 23:34.31 | jaem | _Lucretia_, out of curiousity, why? |
| 23:34.43 | _Lucretia_ | why do people always ask why? |
| 23:35.03 | jaem | I'm not sure. Why do you think/ |
| 23:35.06 | lcuk | ok, building your own toolchain in what system? x86 or direct on arm? |
| 23:35.08 | jaem | ...sorry |
| 23:35.14 | _Lucretia_ | need an arm compiler |
| 23:35.26 | lcuk | to run directly on arm? |
| 23:35.27 | _Lucretia_ | jaem: I intend to port the exception handling mechanism in gnat to arm |
| 23:35.34 | jaem | Actually, that reminds me... has anyone tried doing native compilation for Maemo? |
| 23:35.41 | lcuk | yes jaem |
| 23:35.44 | lcuk | often |
| 23:35.49 | _Lucretia_ | nope, I want to develop on my desktop, but the compiler is for arm, so may as well use my n900 as the base |
| 23:35.50 | asj | _Lucretia_: because people who normally need to build their own toolchain don't need to ask |
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| 23:35.55 | jacekowski | people that do it ussualy get old |
| 23:36.10 | jaem | lcuk, you were working on-device, right? |
| 23:36.11 | lcuk | _Lucretia_, go and read up on scratchbox and follow what they do then |
| 23:36.26 | jaem | I was actually meaning on a rather faster ARM machine. |
| 23:36.30 | _Lucretia_ | asj: well, I can build my own toolchain, I'm just not sure how to do it for scratchbox |
| 23:36.31 | lcuk | people dont normally build their own toolchain because theres a whole metric shittonne of emulation in the way |
| 23:36.33 | jef91 | anyone know if clisp was ported to maemo yet? |
| 23:36.41 | jef91 | I *Really* want a CAS on my n900 :-/ |
| 23:36.43 | lcuk | jaem, not at the moment but thats for different reasons |
| 23:36.57 | jaem | lcuk, Ah. Is it annoying/impractical to set up at the moment? |
| 23:37.05 | lcuk | its easier than ever :) |
| 23:37.08 | jaem | jef91, I think there's something in Python that does basic stuff. |
| 23:37.13 | jacekowski | lcuk: it's slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow |
| 23:37.18 | lcuk | pr1.2 gives enough space on / to install build-essential without messing |
| 23:37.25 | lcuk | jacekowski, for you maybe |
| 23:37.37 | luke-jr | >>> Emerging (23 of 1092) sys-apps/which-2.20 |
| 23:37.39 | jef91 | jaem there is not a Python based CAS as far as I know |
| 23:37.41 | jaem | lcuk, Sorry. I'm asking how hard it is to set up a native build environment for Maemo on a random ARM server somewheres |
| 23:37.46 | lcuk | but my apps build in ~10seconds from extraction, or if i change a couple of files take 2-3seconds |
| 23:37.51 | lcuk | so - i dont moan |
| 23:37.55 | jaem | jef91, well, it's not really a CAS, but I think there's an app that does basic symbolic stuff. |
| 23:38.09 | jef91 | Yea, I want fall CAS power - something like maxima |
| 23:38.13 | lcuk | jaem, i dunno, thats technically still cross compiling |
| 23:38.18 | jef91 | full CAS* |
| 23:38.19 | jaem | lcuk, right... |
| 23:38.20 | lcuk | i just build in the OS itself |
| 23:38.32 | lcuk | > make |
| 23:38.42 | luke-jr | jaem: does it support the same CPU features? just setup OpenVZ |
| 23:38.42 | lcuk | > ./project |
| 23:38.43 | jaem | jef91, Maybe take a look at XCAS - it has Maple-compatible syntax, although I haven't used it much. |
| 23:38.47 | jaem | The current UI is terrible. |
| 23:38.55 | jef91 | it works on the n900? |
| 23:39.01 | jaem | luke-jr, I haven't found that out yet - I was just curious if it was worth pursuing |
| 23:39.15 | jaem | jef91, Presumably it could, but there's no port... and see the comment about the UI. |
| 23:39.17 | luke-jr | jaem: I think it'd be quicker to emulate an ARM system on x86 |
| 23:39.20 | jaem | I think it's in FLTK or something. |
| 23:39.24 | jaem | luke-jr, Okay, thanks. |
| 23:39.35 | luke-jr | not just quicker to setup, quicker to use |
| 23:39.38 | luke-jr | and compile |
| 23:39.52 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, is it possible to edit cal on device? |
| 23:39.54 | luke-jr | just emulate the CPU (qemu-user), not the hardware |
| 23:39.55 | jaem | jef91, I've been hoping someone would do a port for a while, but it doesn't seem to have much mainstream popularity |
| 23:40.00 | lcuk | and copy across and install and run |
| 23:40.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: yes |
| 23:40.08 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, how? |
| 23:40.10 | jef91 | this is really neat jaem - thanks! |
| 23:40.17 | jaem | jef91, which? |
| 23:40.19 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: #include <cal.h> |
| 23:40.26 | jef91 | XCAS |
| 23:40.34 | jef91 | This might replace wxMaxima for me |
| 23:40.36 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: gcc -lcal yourapp.c |
| 23:40.50 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and you call it like that |
| 23:41.09 | jaem | jef91, ah, yeah, it looked interesting. The main attraction for me is that I will probably have to use Maple at uni at some point, and didn't want to have to learn something else as well. |
| 23:41.26 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.32 | jacekowski | cal_init (&cal_s) |
| 23:41.38 | jacekowski | cal_write_block (cal_s, "usb_host_mode", &rd_mode_string, 1, CAL_FLAG_USER); |
| 23:41.51 | jef91 | I'm a 3rd year math student jaem |
| 23:41.53 | jacekowski | or no flags |
| 23:41.56 | jef91 | CAS = very useful now and then |
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| 23:42.04 | jacekowski | just NULL there |
| 23:42.10 | jacekowski | and then cal_finis(cal_s) |
| 23:42.18 | jaem | jef91, heh... well, if I had the time, I'd certainly be interested in working on a port. |
| 23:42.23 | jaem | I'm kind of busy now, though. |
| 23:42.27 | jacekowski | and to read it |
| 23:42.32 | jacekowski | cal_read_block (cal_s, "bme", &tmp, &len, 0); |
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| 23:42.50 | jef91 | they have an arm package jaem |
| 23:42.58 | jef91 | downloading it now |
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| 23:43.18 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and i think maximum len size is around 1.5k |
| 23:43.22 | jaem | jef91, IIRC that's really old, and probably won't work on Maemo. |
| 23:43.27 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: well, maximum block size |
| 23:43.28 | jaem | Feel free to prove me wrong, though. |
| 23:44.08 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: data can't be deleted from cal |
| 23:45.13 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and you have to use same flags for reading and writing |
| 23:46.59 | jacekowski | good night |
| 23:47.43 | jaem | night |
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| 23:51.17 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, so it's not really safe to do it |
| 23:51.45 | MohammadAG51 | (to enable/disable rd mode on the device itself) |
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