| 00:00.02 | raster | Robot101: :):) |
| 00:00.21 | GAN900 | w00t_, OK, updating bug #8450 |
| 00:00.22 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8450 Add remaining IRC cloaks |
| 00:00.29 | Robot101 | raster: lemme find a link |
| 00:00.30 | w00t_ | the thought of emulating opengl makes me happy |
| 00:00.49 | Robot101 | raster: glReadPixels really fucks the whole day up though :) |
| 00:00.54 | Robot101 | sloooo oooooo oooooooooow |
| 00:01.07 | w00t_ | GAN900: ta |
| 00:01.15 | Robot101 | http://gitorious.org/vm-gl-accel |
| 00:01.20 | Robot101 | even works on windows |
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| 00:01.29 | Robot101 | (hosts) |
| 00:01.29 | raster | Robot101: glreadpixels fucks pretty much everything up |
| 00:01.34 | raster | as does glwritepixels |
| 00:01.37 | raster | and glcopypixels |
| 00:01.41 | Robot101 | bit of a lack of kvm there though |
| 00:01.42 | raster | in general - avoid them like the plague |
| 00:02.00 | raster | if they DO work right.. they invariablyu work as software fallbacks at the speed of continental drift |
| 00:03.36 | Robot101 | well if your host gfx card doesn't use main memory, you have to snort the render results out of it to give them to your guest to composite or whatever |
| 00:04.03 | Robot101 | not quite sure the stuff is up to moving gl handles in and our of your guest system |
| 00:04.23 | Robot101 | but its performant even on non-intel gfx so they sorted it somehow |
| 00:05.05 | Robot101 | raster: you still in korea or moved on elsewhere? |
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| 00:06.43 | Robot101 | decides to sleep |
| 00:06.52 | Robot101 | raster: catch you later |
| 00:06.59 | raster | Robot101: in kr |
| 00:07.00 | raster | sorry |
| 00:07.02 | raster | people around |
| 00:07.11 | Robot101 | no worries, I gotta crash |
| 00:07.19 | Robot101 | trouble keeping my eyes open |
| 00:07.26 | Robot101 | 'night |
| 00:07.38 | raster | nite |
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| 00:14.06 | asj | pr1.2 has made the n900 a much better phone, I've made/received 4-5 calls in the last 2 days and it hasn't screwed up any of them |
| 00:14.39 | pigeon | is there a way to disable usb charging on the n900? |
| 00:15.42 | pigeon | raster: muhahahaha |
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| 00:16.39 | raster | pigeon: MUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAWHAHA |
| 00:16.50 | pigeon | raster: indeed |
| 00:18.29 | obsidieth | hmm. my wireless stopped working over night |
| 00:18.39 | obsidieth | this happened to anyone else? seems like it might have slept or something |
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| 00:21.24 | pigeon | the power management stuff maybe?</wildguess> |
| 00:21.51 | obsidieth | where would one look for this? |
| 00:22.47 | pigeon | i believe in internet connections in the settings, for each network there's a power saving settings or something like that. |
| 00:23.56 | obsidieth | ah. it was on. |
| 00:24.10 | obsidieth | and now i can see it |
| 00:24.15 | obsidieth | should i try setting it to intermediate perhaps. |
| 00:24.20 | pigeon | i read somewhere on the wiki, the power saving might not work well with some access point |
| 00:25.16 | pigeon | http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode |
| 00:25.30 | SpeedEvil | ~powersaving |
| 00:26.45 | obsidieth | interesting, it would seem thast the case |
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| 00:28.21 | mortini | pigeon: aha. that's annoyed the heck out of me. |
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| 00:31.36 | obsidieth | i need a psm supported router apparently. |
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| 00:34.50 | obsidieth | bleh. this is quite strange. |
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| 00:34.55 | obsidieth | wireless os disappearing. |
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| 00:37.20 | mortini | obsidieth: while not as convienant, i don't have the problem when it's plugged into my laptop |
| 00:37.29 | mortini | depending on what you're trying to do |
| 00:37.34 | mortini | outside of general use. |
| 00:37.46 | obsidieth | i was experimenting with 'wireless switcher' in an ill guided attempt to save battery |
| 00:37.52 | obsidieth | that might be it, i had no issues previously. |
| 00:38.18 | mortini | ah |
| 00:38.35 | mortini | when i first got my n900 a few weeks ago, i was trying to download pr1.2 & it kept dying on me |
| 00:38.47 | mortini | because of that, i think, idk, it was super annoying. |
| 00:39.00 | obsidieth | owch |
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| 00:46.09 | obsidieth | hmm anyone been using cpan for perl modules |
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| 00:53.04 | obsidieth | Going to read /home/user/.cpan/sources/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz |
| 00:53.05 | obsidieth | /bin/gzip: unrecognized option `--decompress' |
| 00:57.08 | n900-1 | what is rx71 ? |
| 00:57.12 | n900-1 | anybody knows |
| 00:57.23 | n900-1 | ab $ mad list Targets: harmattan-1021 (installable) fremantle-pr12 (default) maemo412-1 (installable) Runtimes: rx71-harmattan-1021 (installable) rx51-fremantle-pr12 (default) rx48-diablo (installable) |
| 00:57.33 | n900-1 | mad terminal shows that |
| 00:57.50 | mortini | obsidieth: might need to install the gnu-gzip |
| 00:58.06 | mortini | and gnu-tar packages |
| 00:58.22 | mortini | i know i had issues with the busybox tar not working properly on some tarballs |
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| 01:03.36 | arachnist | n900-1: an unknown device by nokia. possibly a phone, tablet or a development board |
| 01:05.37 | ManoftheSea | arachnist: that's a pretty good guess. |
| 01:06.03 | ManoftheSea | "device X: an unknown device by an unknown company, possibly made of matter" |
| 01:06.15 | obsidieth | hmm. what repo are they in. |
| 01:06.30 | obsidieth | pure 'gzip' involves dependency hell. and i see no gnu-gzip package. |
| 01:07.37 | n900-1 | its in the "mad list" of the new madde installed with the qt sdk 1.0 arachnist |
| 01:08.24 | arachnist | n900-1: so it would seem that nokia people are already developing/testing software for that device |
| 01:08.51 | n900-1 | Runtimes: |
| 01:08.56 | n900-1 | rx71-harmattan-1021 (installable) |
| 01:09.03 | n900-1 | rx51-fremantle-pr12 (default) |
| 01:09.12 | n900-1 | rx48-diablo (installable) |
| 01:09.18 | n900-1 | Targets: |
| 01:09.26 | n900-1 | harmattan-1021 (installable) |
| 01:09.32 | n900-1 | fremantle-pr12 (default) |
| 01:09.38 | n900-1 | maemo412-1 (installable) |
| 01:09.52 | obsidieth | hmm. |
| 01:10.03 | obsidieth | basically im just trying to obtain 'IO::Socket::INET6' |
| 01:10.13 | obsidieth | maybe ill have to compile a full gzip? |
| 01:11.10 | mortini | obsidieth: sorry, i thought there was a gnu-gzip, just a gnu-tar |
| 01:11.34 | mortini | try building it manually? |
| 01:11.45 | mortini | or, extracting it and then building it manually? |
| 01:12.05 | obsidieth | theres a gzip on the forum, but |
| 01:12.10 | obsidieth | it throws anohter error in cpan |
| 01:12.26 | obsidieth | Going to read /home/user/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz |
| 01:12.26 | obsidieth | Can't exec "/home/user/gzip": Not a directory at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/File.pm line 70, <FIN> line 1. |
| 01:12.29 | obsidieth | Could not pipe[/home/user/gzip --decompress --stdout /home/user/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz |]: Not a directory at /usr/share/perl/5.8/CPAN.pm line 5728, <FIN> line 1. |
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| 01:14.22 | arachnist | huh |
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| 01:14.51 | mortini | obsidieth: imo, go manaully grab the file |
| 01:15.00 | mortini | copy it over and try it yourself |
| 01:15.19 | Macer | funny thing |
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| 01:15.37 | mortini | wget http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/S/SH/SHLOMIF/IO-Socket-INET6-2.65.tar.gz |
| 01:15.50 | Macer | i have almost completely stopped using laptops and PCs and use my n900 more than anything |
| 01:16.00 | mortini | dammit. no wget. |
| 01:16.21 | Macer | if it had cups and real bluetooth keyboard support i wouldnt need a laptop |
| 01:16.59 | Macer | :) |
| 01:16.59 | Macer | any plans to add either? |
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| 01:17.12 | n900-1 | Macer: n900 is awesome, but i just want to replace its keyboard with a one that has softer keys :) .. when i write a lot on it, i keep going back to the virtual keyboard, and vkbs i dont like |
| 01:17.47 | Macer | i want bluetooth kb support like maemo4 had on my n810 |
| 01:17.56 | Macer | with su8w support |
| 01:17.58 | mortini | dammit, i hate it when i screen in screen. |
| 01:18.14 | Macer | or any travel keyboard will do tbh |
| 01:18.35 | Macer | and a working koffice would be great |
| 01:18.35 | n900-1 | i cant carry a keyboard .. and i want to write a lot .. |
| 01:18.36 | obsidieth | seems like a good idea. |
| 01:18.42 | Macer | with cups support |
| 01:18.53 | n900-1 | if the keys were a lil soft in pressing, it wudnt tire me ever from writing on n900 |
| 01:19.06 | Macer | my su8w is the same size as the n900 |
| 01:19.08 | Macer | heh |
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| 01:19.18 | Macer | folded it easily fits in a pocket |
| 01:19.30 | n900-1 | aha cool |
| 01:19.47 | Macer | there are a few traveling keyboards like that |
| 01:19.48 | ptl | I had a bluetooth keyboard |
| 01:19.50 | ptl | I sold it |
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| 01:19.54 | n900-1 | what is it, i havent seen it |
| 01:19.58 | ptl | I don't think it's practical |
| 01:20.05 | n900-1 | give me some link, or a name i can google Macer |
| 01:20.09 | Macer | ptl: i loved using it with my n810 |
| 01:20.16 | ptl | hmm |
| 01:20.19 | Macer | just image google it |
| 01:20.26 | Macer | nokia su8w |
| 01:20.29 | ptl | maybe mine wasn't practical |
| 01:20.31 | ptl | and batteries and such |
| 01:20.34 | n900-1 | ok |
| 01:20.35 | ptl | I know nokia su8w |
| 01:20.36 | n900-1 | doing it |
| 01:20.36 | mortini | obsidieth: 'course, the dependancies will suck |
| 01:20.39 | mortini | \ |
| 01:20.43 | ptl | it was just a little smaller than mine |
| 01:20.49 | Macer | heh |
| 01:21.10 | Macer | ptl: i used to use cups with my n810 |
| 01:21.17 | Macer | it was awesome |
| 01:21.24 | Macer | i didnt need a laptop |
| 01:21.29 | Macer | for school |
| 01:21.36 | Macer | used to use my n95 more |
| 01:21.36 | ptl | I never even tried to use cups in N900. Is it easy to print via bluetooth? |
| 01:21.54 | Macer | i dont think there is cups for n900/maemo 5 |
| 01:22.01 | Macer | nor any apps that support it |
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| 01:22.12 | n900-1 | yea this looks cute :) |
| 01:22.20 | n900-1 | shud have it !! Must have it now !! |
| 01:22.26 | Macer | on the n810 i used PB's kde chroot |
| 01:22.29 | n900-1 | can always have it around in my backpack |
| 01:22.33 | n900-1 | how much is it for |
| 01:22.47 | Macer | n900-1: not worth buying for the n900 |
| 01:23.00 | Macer | the bt keyboard support is a pain to do |
| 01:23.07 | Macer | no support for it in the ui |
| 01:23.12 | Macer | and requires remapping |
| 01:23.42 | Macer | i was only able to get it to work properly when the n900 was open |
| 01:24.20 | Macer | which seems a step backwards |
| 01:24.37 | obsidieth | let us see. |
| 01:24.40 | Macer | considering the n810/maemo 4 worked fine with it |
| 01:24.58 | pupnik | it is difficult for a linux geek to care about n900 discussions - they revolve around theings we do not care about |
| 01:25.17 | ptl | Macer: you can use cups via easy debian |
| 01:25.32 | Macer | ptl: i considered that |
| 01:25.38 | obsidieth | eh. does this tar have different syntax |
| 01:25.42 | Macer | since ooffice is included |
| 01:25.48 | Macer | but |
| 01:25.57 | Macer | i need bt keyboard support |
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| 01:26.24 | Macer | i want an ultra portable office suite |
| 01:26.27 | Macer | :) |
| 01:26.50 | Macer | it would be nice if all this could be native |
| 01:27.09 | Macer | i remember seeing work done on a maemo ver of koffice |
| 01:27.29 | Macer | wonder how far along that has gotten |
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| 01:29.27 | n900-1 | well maybe nokia doesn something that wud add the support for it |
| 01:30.03 | n900-1 | does* |
| 01:30.18 | Macer | heh |
| 01:30.30 | Macer | well the lack of bt kb support sucks |
| 01:32.09 | obsidieth | hmm im almost there |
| 01:32.16 | obsidieth | it looked like the module compiled, but i dont see it. |
| 01:33.06 | pigeon | i thought bt kb works with the n900? |
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| 01:35.15 | flailingmonkey | i've heard it works from some people, but i've also heard that it doesn't |
| 01:35.52 | pigeon | speaking of which, i was trying to get a bt mouse working with the n900, they paired ok, but that's about it. |
| 01:36.02 | flailingmonkey | after enabling bluetooth HID, you need a pc102 layout (usually) and there isn't one |
| 01:36.22 | flailingmonkey | no cursor probably would be and issue |
| 01:36.35 | pigeon | not only that i think. |
| 01:36.55 | pigeon | it feels more like they're not connected. |
| 01:37.10 | pigeon | and i couldn't get them to connect |
| 01:37.28 | obsidieth | another thing, has anyone had success running irssi with perl scripting included? seems like a custopm build might be needd there too. |
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| 01:38.46 | Macer | there... filed a bug for bt keyboard support |
| 01:39.50 | ptl | 22:45 *** Irssi: Unknown command: script |
| 01:39.51 | ptl | dang |
| 01:39.53 | ptl | no luck |
| 01:40.10 | Macer | do people still use scripts? |
| 01:40.13 | Macer | :) |
| 01:40.31 | Macer | last i remember was using venom in ircii heh |
| 01:41.45 | obsidieth | perl modules done, that worked nicely. |
| 01:41.52 | obsidieth | just had to build one dependency :D |
| 01:42.00 | ptl | for irssi? |
| 01:42.01 | obsidieth | but yeah, it seems the binary of irssi hasnt got perl enabled. |
| 01:42.06 | obsidieth | eh, i was messing with some v6 perl. |
| 01:42.16 | obsidieth | io::socket:inet6 |
| 01:42.29 | ptl | ok |
| 01:42.34 | ptl | I thought you had built irssi with perl support for maemo |
| 01:42.46 | obsidieth | i will try and build it from scratch some time soon. |
| 01:42.54 | obsidieth | if it cannot just be turned on |
| 01:45.03 | ptl | don't forget to optify it |
| 01:45.19 | obsidieth | im not sure what that is. |
| 01:47.29 | ptl | obsidieth: http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem |
| 01:49.18 | flailingmonkey | it's a fun maemoism |
| 01:50.47 | dotblank | hmm I get this error when trying to deploy my Qt app |
| 01:50.49 | dotblank | Deployment failed: Could not copy local file '/scratchbox/users/eli/home/eli/qt4/Groove-build/groove' to remote file '/home/developer/groove': SFTP Error code: <4>, description: Failure. |
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| 01:55.53 | the_lord-n900 | MohammadAG51, ping |
| 01:56.32 | dotblank | oh nvm gdb had messed up |
| 01:56.58 | flailingmonkey | night |
| 01:57.23 | the_lord-n900 | hi, I'm having trouble installing ovi store apps from apt-get |
| 01:58.31 | the_lord-n900 | I've read the forums and I know it's a problem with apt, and I can solve it installing a previous version of it, but I can't find it |
| 01:59.01 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51 had a link I think. |
| 01:59.02 | SpeedEvil | I forget |
| 01:59.47 | the_lord-n900 | SpeedEvil, yes, but the link is broken |
| 02:00.30 | Macer | was chromium removed? |
| 02:00.36 | Macer | i wanted to try iy |
| 02:00.38 | Macer | it |
| 02:01.39 | Macer | going to try tear i suppose |
| 02:02.11 | Macer | tear wasnt so bad |
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| 02:04.02 | Macer | guess tear wont run |
| 02:04.06 | Macer | :/ |
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| 02:13.59 | pigeon | Macer: chromium was removed, yes |
| 02:16.49 | pyther | Hi |
| 02:17.08 | pyther | I have my phone set to connect to wifi automatically, does that mean it will ask me to connect to the 3g? |
| 02:19.34 | Macer | pigeon: any reason why? |
| 02:22.09 | pigeon | Macer: http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ |
| 02:23.47 | SpeedEvil | pyther: no |
| 02:24.12 | SpeedEvil | wireless and 3g are seperate |
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| 02:24.40 | Macer | pigeon: hahaha |
| 02:24.43 | Macer | wtf? |
| 02:24.53 | Macer | isnt chrome open source? |
| 02:25.49 | Macer | oh |
| 02:25.54 | Macer | redbend? |
| 02:25.59 | Macer | wtf? lame |
| 02:27.20 | arachnist | Macer: chrome isn't. chromium is. |
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| 02:27.43 | pyther | SpeedEvil: so since wireless is automatic it will also connect me to the 2g/3g automatically? |
| 02:28.12 | arachnist | pyther: it will only connect to wifi if you set it to connect automatically only to wifi |
| 02:28.57 | Macer | arachnist: which is what the repo had isnt it? |
| 02:29.04 | Macer | a chromium build? |
| 02:29.18 | Macer | blah. whatever :) |
| 02:29.39 | pigeon | Macer: i'm as confused as you are |
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| 02:36.45 | SpeedEvil | pyther: no. |
| 02:37.25 | SpeedEvil | Go to settings ->wireless->connect automatically |
| 02:37.37 | SpeedEvil | 'always ask' = it always asks you if you want to |
| 02:37.45 | SpeedEvil | 'wlan' = always for wlan |
| 02:38.06 | SpeedEvil | 'your network operator' - always connect automatially to that network |
| 02:38.17 | SpeedEvil | 'any connection' - connect automatically to anything |
| 02:38.29 | SpeedEvil | The latter can be dangerous near UFOs. |
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| 02:40.18 | pyther | SpeedEvil: so if I have wlan automatically it will ask me for to connect to the 2g/3g connection? |
| 02:40.54 | arachnist | pyther: only if no wlan is around that you conneted to before |
| 02:41.05 | pyther | ok great |
| 02:41.20 | pyther | and then with mms will that use the 2g/3g connection automagically? |
| 02:43.07 | SpeedEvil | only if you install fmms |
| 02:43.08 | SpeedEvil | otherwise no |
| 02:43.24 | pyther | ok i installed fmms but the network settings seem to be wrong |
| 02:43.31 | SpeedEvil | and even then, I think you can set it up |
| 02:43.42 | pyther | I used what was in the wiki and it failed :( |
| 02:43.54 | pyther | I thuogh maybe it was trying to use my wifi connection |
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| 02:48.20 | pigeon | http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band |
| 02:48.31 | pigeon | that makes me wonder, where is the antenna of the n900? |
| 02:48.48 | asj | pigeon: take the back cover off, I think you can see them there |
| 02:48.59 | SpeedEvil | pigeon: It is around 17 inches to the right of the right-hand side of the case. |
| 02:49.30 | pigeon | hmm |
| 02:49.32 | SpeedEvil | Or more accurately, below the camera button, and right-hand speaker |
| 02:49.38 | SpeedEvil | that is - the 3g |
| 02:49.54 | SpeedEvil | 2g/3g |
| 02:49.59 | asj | apples' answer to the problem, which I dunno I can't give them to hard of a time over: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/ |
| 02:51.17 | SpeedEvil | This is pretty much unavoidable. |
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| 02:51.35 | SpeedEvil | The n900 has noticably poorer 3g reception with the screen open, and your hand over the antenna |
| 02:51.40 | SpeedEvil | as you will, when typing |
| 02:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Well - if you use two thumbs |
| 02:52.28 | asj | it was very noticeable on the n97, in week signal strength you had to hold it with your finger tips and not like a gorrila grip with your palm covering the whole back |
| 02:53.22 | pigeon | SpeedEvil: that's good to know |
| 02:53.44 | asj | it's also hard when people want all metal cases, there's any so many locations you can put plastic bits to let it radiate |
| 02:53.55 | asj | s/any/only/ |
| 02:54.00 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 02:55.11 | asj | the 3g ipad I think takes a big design hit with it's big black plastic bar across the top. of course it advertises to everyone "hey look, not only am I rich enough to spend $1000 on an ipad, I bought the fancy 3g one" |
| 02:56.22 | GeneralAntilles | Who spends $1000? |
| 02:56.38 | pigeon | i got the non-3g one cos the 3g ones sold out, and my wife couldn't wait. |
| 02:56.42 | asj | GeneralAntilles: hmm? |
| 02:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Top-of-the-line iPad costs $829 |
| 02:56.56 | arachnist | http://gl.ict.usc.edu/Research/3DDisplay/ |
| 02:56.58 | asj | GeneralAntilles: ah, $AU1000 |
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| 02:57.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 02:57.12 | pigeon | turns out it wasn't that bad, i just get the ipad tether to my n900 for internet, works quite well. |
| 02:57.29 | dotblank | pigeon, nice |
| 02:58.05 | pyther | I can't get my phone out of my otterbox case :( |
| 02:58.11 | asj | 3g ipad has a nice telstra pre-paid data plan, $20/mo for 1gig. It beats their $10 for 150meg option |
| 02:58.39 | pigeon | asj: you're in au too? |
| 02:58.43 | asj | ayup |
| 02:58.50 | pigeon | ah, me in sydney |
| 02:58.57 | asj | pigeon: brissy |
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| 03:11.49 | luke-jr | iPad = lame |
| 03:12.50 | asj | I would like an iPad like device running maemo/meego, bah then I would need a mad purse, which is the problem |
| 03:14.30 | SpeedEvil | Naah. back holster. |
| 03:15.17 | SpeedEvil | I want a device the size of the ipod that is robust enough to beat blendtek |
| 03:15.57 | luke-jr | asj: TouchBook? |
| 03:16.18 | luke-jr | so um, I have a question/theory |
| 03:16.30 | luke-jr | my N900 hasn't been on power for about 5 hours now... |
| 03:16.34 | luke-jr | battery meter is still 100% |
| 03:16.40 | luke-jr | theory: N900 lies |
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| 03:20.02 | pyther | Anyone on ATT USA using mms messaging? |
| 03:22.59 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: using it? |
| 03:23.09 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: The battery meter canbe somewhat inaccurate |
| 03:23.22 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: However - I get a standby of ~120 hours idle |
| 03:23.34 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: sortof |
| 03:23.46 | luke-jr | 5 hours is > 1% of 120 :) |
| 03:24.00 | luke-jr | I tried playing with the FM transmitter earlier |
| 03:24.10 | luke-jr | didn't work, but if it did should have drained the battery a bit |
| 03:24.14 | SpeedEvil | fmtx uses almost no power |
| 03:24.22 | SpeedEvil | The transmitted power is ~50nW |
| 03:24.40 | luke-jr | o |
| 03:24.45 | asj | luke-jr: make a crypted sip call :) |
| 03:25.02 | luke-jr | asj: I don't think my endpoints support encryption |
| 03:25.16 | luke-jr | did at least 5 minutes of SIP calling tho |
| 03:25.31 | asj | luke-jr: oh well, find one that does, that's 100% cpu and wifi with power saving disabled |
| 03:26.03 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter - see inherent limitations |
| 03:27.36 | asj | luke-jr: why not just install Battery Graph? then you can get pretty graphs too |
| 03:28.24 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: well, it didn't work from driver's lap to car radio |
| 03:29.43 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes- see above page |
| 03:29.53 | SpeedEvil | esp bbc quote |
| 03:29.58 | luke-jr | it talks about 4m... |
| 03:30.10 | luke-jr | 4m isn't *that* bad, in theory |
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| 03:42.54 | pyther | Is there a place to enter in a phone number on the current fmms app? |
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| 04:02.08 | ham5 | still want my dial pad to come up with I go into the phone |
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| 04:03.26 | asj | ham5: huh? |
| 04:03.56 | ham5 | open the phone and it goes to the dial pad not recent calls... |
| 04:04.12 | ham5 | that should be an option |
| 04:04.35 | asj | ok, write an app |
| 04:04.59 | asj | of course it's still faster just to type a number on the homescreen |
| 04:05.23 | ham5 | have to open the keyboard |
| 04:05.26 | ham5 | boo |
| 04:05.49 | asj | it's there for a reason ;) |
| 04:09.04 | pyther | Yippy got MMS messaging to work |
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| 04:18.55 | pyther | Does anyone knowif there is a buddy list desktop application? |
| 04:19.12 | mandara | is maxima available in fremantle? can't find it in http://maemo.org/packages/ |
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| 04:20.44 | ptl | no, it's not |
| 04:20.57 | ptl | but it would be easy to recompil eit |
| 04:20.58 | ptl | *recompile it using scratchbox |
| 04:21.20 | mandara | ptl, ok, thnx! |
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| 05:22.20 | Termana | yello |
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| 05:24.45 | vldcnst | green is the new color guys |
| 05:26.31 | PhonoN900 | blue |
| 05:27.41 | luke-jr | indigo |
| 05:29.50 | PhonoN900 | I watched the USA World Cup win live on my phone. Guess gow many other phones were able to stream that match live via some random flash-based site |
| 05:29.50 | asj | maroon!!!!! |
| 05:30.01 | PhonoN900 | go ahead, guess... |
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| 05:32.17 | PhonoN900 | It was a trick question. There are no other phones capable of such awesomness. |
| 05:32.30 | PhonoN900 | pumps fist |
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| 05:32.41 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: that's not a feature |
| 05:32.42 | luke-jr | it's a bug |
| 05:32.46 | luke-jr | Flash = crap |
| 05:32.57 | luke-jr | also, N900 isn't a phone |
| 05:33.01 | luke-jr | so your argument is fail |
| 05:33.24 | luke-jr | ask how many handheld computers are capable of such "awesomeness" next time |
| 05:33.35 | luke-jr | then you'll realize there's nothing special about it |
| 05:34.28 | luke-jr | if you want to brag about N900/Maemo, go for the integration aspect ;) |
| 05:34.51 | luke-jr | or the 5MPcamera |
| 05:35.00 | luke-jr | that component is actually useful |
| 05:35.01 | asj | luke-jr: oh come now |
| 05:35.09 | luke-jr | too bad the GPS doesn't work, or it'd do geotagging too |
| 05:35.11 | PhonoN900 | Well, one could say the same of football. But, the World Cup is exciting. So, streaming the World Cup is exciting. All very exciting |
| 05:35.28 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: I don't even know or care what this "World Cup" is |
| 05:35.36 | luke-jr | a bunch of adults being paid to play childrens' games? |
| 05:35.43 | TigerTael | heh |
| 05:36.04 | asj | luke-jr: you bash the n900 for doing flash, then say "look it's it's wonderful 5mpx camera" which if are follow your reasoning is 3 year old tech and just as lame as doing flash |
| 05:36.17 | luke-jr | asj: no, Flash sucks in general |
| 05:36.20 | luke-jr | cameras are pretty nice |
| 05:36.25 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: It is a phone. |
| 05:36.34 | pyther | flash is closed and is buggy |
| 05:36.35 | luke-jr | it's the integration that makes the N900's camera special |
| 05:36.39 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: nope |
| 05:37.26 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: it's a handheld computer |
| 05:37.39 | luke-jr | the earlier models didn't even support cellular networks |
| 05:37.42 | asj | luke-jr: you're caught in the trap, of what you want is what everyone else wants |
| 05:38.01 | PhonoN900 | It's pretty simple. It has a quad-band gsm module. It is a phone. |
| 05:38.03 | luke-jr | asj: what makes you think I want Maemo? :p |
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| 05:38.16 | asj | luke-jr: you typed /join #maemo |
| 05:38.26 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: by that logic, iPad and many other obvious non-phones are also phones |
| 05:38.38 | asj | luke-jr: ipad doesn't make voice calls |
| 05:38.40 | luke-jr | asj: no, I didn't. |
| 05:38.41 | PhonoN900 | Negative |
| 05:38.48 | luke-jr | asj: my point exactly |
| 05:39.27 | asj | luke-jr: n900 makes phone calls just fine, it's one of the first things the intro video does :) |
| 05:39.32 | luke-jr | the N900 hardware is no doubt *capable* of being a phone... like if you install Android |
| 05:39.50 | luke-jr | but the older models never could have been, and Maemo wasn't designed to be a phone platform |
| 05:40.00 | luke-jr | asj: my desktop PC makes phone calls just fine. |
| 05:40.20 | luke-jr | being able to make a call doesn't make a device a phone |
| 05:40.24 | asj | luke-jr: no one has ever said n800, so you can't even argue that point if you want to be pedantic |
| 05:40.41 | luke-jr | N800 is nothing less than an older model of the NIT line |
| 05:40.51 | luke-jr | it is a predecessor of N900 |
| 05:40.56 | asj | luke-jr: sure, you can's shove your computer in your pocket and walk around the streets |
| 05:41.00 | luke-jr | and N810 is a direct predecessor of N900 |
| 05:41.07 | luke-jr | asj: I can shove many of my computers in my pocket |
| 05:41.15 | luke-jr | or at least C760 and N810 |
| 05:41.41 | PhonoN900 | we all know exactly what we mean. Pedantic bullshit is bullshit |
| 05:41.45 | raster | out of the box the n900 is capable of making and recieving phone calls and sms's - it is capable of remaining attached to a network ready to make calls for days. it is a phone. that is what all phones do too. |
| 05:41.53 | asj | PhonoN900: ^5 |
| 05:41.55 | luke-jr | raster: my N900 wasn't |
| 05:42.01 | raster | if you wish to have some other personal definition of phone - that's your business |
| 05:42.07 | raster | luke-jr: mine did |
| 05:42.09 | luke-jr | phones *only* do that |
| 05:42.16 | luke-jr | raster: really? you didn't need to install a SIM card? |
| 05:42.16 | raster | i stuck a sim card in and replaced my phone with it |
| 05:42.18 | asj | luke-jr: we also bought ours |
| 05:42.25 | luke-jr | asj: irrelevant detail |
| 05:42.31 | raster | it was about one of the buggiest phones i've had - only openmoko beat it :) |
| 05:42.51 | asj | raster: you never owned an n97 v10.0.x obviously |
| 05:42.55 | luke-jr | lol |
| 05:43.01 | raster | luke-jr: putting in a sim card is required of almost every phone (except cdma) |
| 05:43.05 | raster | who puts it is is irrelevant |
| 05:43.06 | luke-jr | asj: FWIW, there is no compatible 3G service here |
| 05:43.20 | asj | luke-jr: where are you btw? |
| 05:43.23 | luke-jr | Nebraska |
| 05:43.27 | luke-jr | everything is CDMA |
| 05:43.42 | luke-jr | except AT&T, and N900 doesn't support their frequencies |
| 05:43.54 | raster | if your minhdset is an american - i live incdma land one where sim cards are rare/not relevant |
| 05:44.04 | raster | then u are in the vast minority of people in the world |
| 05:44.09 | luke-jr | sure |
| 05:44.22 | raster | world-wide sim cards are by far and wide *THE* primary way a phone device accesses a network |
| 05:44.27 | luke-jr | my point is this: a phone would be useless without service |
| 05:44.29 | asj | luke-jr: umm, you know the n900 does gsm right? |
| 05:44.35 | raster | the shop may put it in when u buy the phone and get a contract there |
| 05:44.36 | luke-jr | asj: sure |
| 05:44.46 | raster | u may buy a phone separatelyt and then just geta pre-paid sim card account |
| 05:44.51 | asj | and both tmo and att I'm sure have coverage at least along bits if i-80 |
| 05:44.52 | raster | or even a contract plan on one |
| 05:44.59 | raster | its largely irrelevant |
| 05:45.09 | raster | the n900 is a phone by all accepted properties of a phone |
| 05:45.09 | luke-jr | asj: TMo claims to not have service here |
| 05:45.27 | raster | it is small/portable, lasts long enough to take around with you all day to make/get calls and sms's |
| 05:45.30 | raster | and it actually does that |
| 05:45.35 | luke-jr | raster: a phone is useless without service; N900 isn't |
| 05:45.36 | raster | so it's a phone |
| 05:45.43 | PhonoN900 | well anyhow, it's a hell of a device |
| 05:45.45 | raster | luke-jr: 100% incorrect |
| 05:45.59 | raster | you may think of a dumphone (featurephone) |
| 05:46.14 | raster | the ones that put up a nice "please inser sim card" and refuse to work without one |
| 05:46.27 | raster | if thats what you think - then you think in a very different decade |
| 05:46.32 | raster | like maybe 1990's |
| 05:46.33 | raster | :) |
| 05:46.39 | raster | is the g1 a phone? |
| 05:46.42 | luke-jr | raster: so you think that by adding a GSM module, the N900 gets moved from the (superior) handheld computer category into the (inferior) phone category? |
| 05:47.00 | raster | inferior or superior is your own addition |
| 05:47.10 | raster | thats an evaluation i frankly do not share |
| 05:47.19 | raster | and i bet ylou many others wqill disagree with you too |
| 05:47.29 | asj | considering nokia sold <100k n800s I'm not sure which is superior eh? |
| 05:47.30 | raster | phones have been computers for a long time |
| 05:47.35 | raster | in terms of hardware |
| 05:47.41 | raster | only software was different |
| 05:48.02 | luke-jr | asj: considering most n00bs who come in here seem to think N900 is a phone, you need to adjust your statistics |
| 05:48.08 | raster | they have cpu's, ram, disk (flash), modems, network (bt, wifi), screens, and many more peripherals |
| 05:48.10 | raster | they suspend and resume |
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| 05:48.36 | chOne | hey everyone |
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| 05:48.44 | luke-jr | raster: 'computer' usually means general purpose |
| 05:48.47 | arachnist | and they have a multitasking-capable os |
| 05:48.59 | chOne | umm is there any chrome browser related channel on freenode? |
| 05:49.03 | asj | luke-jr: it's a phone just like symbian is a phone, iphone is a phone, and most android devices are |
| 05:49.21 | luke-jr | Symbian, iPhone, and Android were designed to be phone platforms. |
| 05:49.23 | luke-jr | Maemo was not. |
| 05:49.38 | luke-jr | cellular capabilities were only just added in version 5 |
| 05:49.44 | asj | luke-jr: ah, but Fremantle was :) |
| 05:49.54 | PhonoN900 | jeeze |
| 05:49.59 | raster | luke-jr: phones hw-wise are general purpose |
| 05:50.02 | raster | no more or less than the n900 |
| 05:50.04 | raster | see above |
| 05:50.10 | luke-jr | raster: we're talking about software, not hardware |
| 05:50.10 | raster | difference is OS |
| 05:50.20 | raster | as of symbian they had a general purpose multi tasking os |
| 05:50.23 | raster | actually before that even |
| 05:50.25 | raster | tron |
| 05:50.27 | raster | symbian |
| 05:50.32 | luke-jr | TRON is a movie |
| 05:50.44 | raster | winmo/pocketpc, android |
| 05:50.46 | raster | i can go on |
| 05:50.54 | raster | tron is also an os |
| 05:51.04 | raster | as is nucleus |
| 05:51.11 | raster | itron (derivative of tron) |
| 05:51.13 | raster | and many others |
| 05:51.48 | ljp | tron this! |
| 05:51.50 | pyther | Can I remove the apps that are in the menu that want to download themselves? |
| 05:51.51 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: to the original point then: name a mobile computing device no larger than the n900 that would be able to stream a live feed via flash of the World Cup over 3G |
| 05:52.13 | asj | PhonoN900: lol, he'll argue with that |
| 05:52.21 | raster | PhonoN900: nexus one |
| 05:52.27 | raster | htc incredible |
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| 05:52.28 | raster | desire |
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| 05:52.34 | raster | samsung galaxy s |
| 05:52.39 | raster | samsung 360 h1 and n1 |
| 05:52.41 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: that wasn't the original point |
| 05:52.42 | TigerTael | HTC Hero? |
| 05:52.46 | raster | ... |
| 05:52.48 | luke-jr | N900 is unusually too small |
| 05:52.48 | raster | its a long list |
| 05:52.49 | raster | :) |
| 05:53.21 | ljp | everyone knows flash is so 90's, man |
| 05:53.23 | luke-jr | though I admit, it doesn't seem to be as bad as I had expected |
| 05:53.28 | luke-jr | now that I've seen one |
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| 05:53.38 | PhonoN900 | raster: no android device that I'm aware of supports flash natively. am I wrong? |
| 05:53.56 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: nothing supports flash natively; it's all software |
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| 05:54.32 | luke-jr | and again, crapy software that I'd rather not have |
| 05:54.36 | PhonoN900 | My N900 supports flash out of the box. That is what I mean |
| 05:54.47 | raster | PhonoN900: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/flash-10-1-for-android-beta-unveiled-hulu-a-no-show-froyo-now/ |
| 05:54.52 | luke-jr | Google "Android Flash"-- plenty of info |
| 05:54.54 | raster | no one said "out of the box" |
| 05:54.58 | asj | luke-jr: you have rm, go to town |
| 05:55.00 | raster | but currently not out of the box |
| 05:55.08 | raster | the 360 h1 and m1 will do it out of the box |
| 05:55.09 | PhonoN900 | raster: I just did |
| 05:55.10 | luke-jr | asj: :) |
| 05:55.12 | raster | they run linux |
| 05:55.16 | raster | well u asked |
| 05:55.25 | raster | <PhonoN900> luke-jr: to the original point then: name a mobile computing device no larger than the n900 that would be able to stream a live feed via flash of the World Cup over 3G |
| 05:55.29 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: changing the criteria to make your point is a fallacy, I'm pretty sure |
| 05:55.30 | raster | nothing "out of the box" :) |
| 05:56.01 | raster | brb |
| 05:56.01 | luke-jr | yeah, I think it's called "no true Scotsman" |
| 05:56.07 | raster | time to see if my network works |
| 05:56.08 | luke-jr | or at least closely related |
| 05:56.39 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: I said name another phone that can do what my N900 did. That was the original point. Scroll up, take a look |
| 05:56.54 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: and raster did it |
| 05:57.04 | luke-jr | then you added a new qualifier "out of the box" |
| 05:57.22 | luke-jr | raster named two that remained with the new requirements |
| 05:57.25 | luke-jr | what next? :p |
| 05:57.28 | PhonoN900 | what, the h1 and m1? never heard of them tbh |
| 05:57.41 | PhonoN900 | have you? |
| 05:57.43 | luke-jr | ah, so now we add "that I have heard of" |
| 05:58.03 | PhonoN900 | give me a sec, I'll google them |
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| 05:58.50 | PhonoN900 | awesome stuff here http://www.google.com/search?btnG=Google+Search&q=android+h1 |
| 05:59.10 | TigerTael | Just give it up. |
| 05:59.11 | TigerTael | Christ. |
| 05:59.11 | asj | PhonoN900: keep in mind, luke-jr is in Nebraska, other than cow tipping, there's shit all to do out there... |
| 05:59.13 | luke-jr | lol |
| 05:59.40 | luke-jr | asj: I am learning tonal, and building a pendulum for my wall schedule... |
| 05:59.56 | luke-jr | whilest teaching my children to do the same |
| 05:59.59 | luke-jr | among many other subjects |
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| 06:00.05 | luke-jr | I have quite a bit to do :) |
| 06:00.10 | raster | aha |
| 06:00.13 | raster | thare be network |
| 06:00.19 | Corsac | nobody cares about live world cup stream anyway |
| 06:00.26 | Corsac | and streaming through flash sucks |
| 06:00.34 | Corsac | and it'll take all you battery life in no time |
| 06:00.36 | luke-jr | Corsac: I made those points waaaaaaaaay back at the start :) |
| 06:00.38 | PhonoN900 | the m1 seems badass too http://blog.immmooo.com/mmmooo-releases-m1.html |
| 06:01.16 | Corsac | now, if only the n900 could not choke when it's feeded with few gigs of photos and music, it'd be nice |
| 06:01.37 | luke-jr | Corsac: Linux can't handle I/O :( |
| 06:01.39 | Corsac | mediaplayer seems to leak, it's a bad idea to have it running all day long in the background :/ |
| 06:01.45 | Corsac | luke-jr: it's not (only) a linux problem |
| 06:01.56 | PhonoN900 | Corsac: Word. It does fall on it's face pretty often |
| 06:01.58 | luke-jr | I don't remember having that problem when I used Window... |
| 06:02.10 | luke-jr | of course, that was like 10 years ago |
| 06:02.29 | Corsac | luke-jr: I mean, there are ways to workaround that (fine tuning the kernel might help, if not done) |
| 06:02.40 | asj | luke-jr: /me boggles |
| 06:02.45 | Corsac | but anyway, the interface nor the media playing should choke on that |
| 06:02.46 | luke-jr | Corsac: sure. I could get more RAM so I don't need swap. |
| 06:02.52 | Corsac | :) |
| 06:03.01 | Corsac | luke-jr: 640k ought to be enough and that sort of thing |
| 06:03.06 | luke-jr | but DDR1 RAM is kinda expensive, so I'm holding off until my next PC |
| 06:03.22 | Corsac | luke-jr: in my case, my laptop's pretty ok wrt. IO |
| 06:03.24 | asj | PhonoN900: ok, the flashlite android app for symbian is the lamest thing I've ever seen |
| 06:03.35 | luke-jr | Corsac: Bill Gates might be right if we take his advice and avoid KDE |
| 06:03.52 | luke-jr | Corsac: I have 2 GB RAM. I use at least 2 GB swap on top of that regularly. |
| 06:04.01 | PhonoN900 | asj: Just a quick google search, no worries |
| 06:04.06 | Corsac | luke-jr: my real grip is against the n900, which can't display my pictures correctly, can't display fluidly all the music I have, can't play it without jitter... |
| 06:04.14 | Corsac | luke-jr: I use Xfce |
| 06:04.28 | luke-jr | Corsac: I might try Xfce, if it didn't use GTK |
| 06:04.47 | Corsac | yeah if you don't like GTK+ it might not be the one for you :) |
| 06:05.03 | luke-jr | Corsac: I'm tempted to install Gentoo on my N900, but pondering getting it a MicroSD first, to put swap/build data on |
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| 06:05.06 | Corsac | I don't like Qt, but I think there's a place for a Qt-equivalent of Xfce |
| 06:05.22 | luke-jr | Nokia has been ruining Qt, but it's still better than GTK |
| 06:05.34 | luke-jr | I won't let my systems install glib/GTK/GNOME anymore :) |
| 06:05.35 | Corsac | (though seeing the manpower missing for Xfce, I'm not sure there's enough for that kind of project) |
| 06:07.35 | PhonoN900 | for all the N900's issues (and I admit, there are many), there are few "phones" that can do what the N900 can do. |
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| 06:08.30 | PhonoN900 | I mean, I'm on my N900 now. Using xchat. Seriously. |
| 06:08.40 | rmrfchik_ | PhonoN900: what special N900 can do? |
| 06:08.40 | luke-jr | so? |
| 06:08.43 | raster | firc on a g1 |
| 06:08.43 | luke-jr | X-Chat sucks too :p |
| 06:08.54 | Corsac | n900 can do a lot of thing, but it doesn't do it really well |
| 06:08.54 | PhonoN900 | PLAY FLASH FFS |
| 06:09.01 | luke-jr | Android has some awesome speech recognition IRC client |
| 06:09.02 | PhonoN900 | jeeze |
| 06:09.10 | raster | flash is out for android |
| 06:09.19 | raster | why does this all have to be "out of the box" |
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| 06:09.23 | luke-jr | no Flash is better than Flash |
| 06:09.27 | PhonoN900 | Corsac: It does most things prettyy well. |
| 06:09.30 | raster | if its available and can be trivially added/installed - it doesnt matter |
| 06:09.37 | Corsac | PhonoN900: I disagree |
| 06:09.51 | luke-jr | no Flash > installable Flash > preinstalled Flash |
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| 06:09.55 | PhonoN900 | Corsac: Fair enough |
| 06:10.10 | TigerTael | Guys... |
| 06:10.16 | rmrfchik_ | i don't care about flash |
| 06:10.25 | raster | the only thing the maemo has going for it that android doesnt is that it is a full linux os base |
| 06:10.31 | dotblank | I think my n900 is easier to developer for then any other phone |
| 06:10.32 | luke-jr | raster: uh, no |
| 06:10.40 | PhonoN900 | cares about flash content |
| 06:10.43 | Corsac | (it doesn't do *everything* bad, but still, in the end, I'm slightly disapointed about the result) |
| 06:10.44 | luke-jr | Maemo has X11 and Qt, and Android does not |
| 06:10.46 | asj | raster: plus it's Not Evil (tm) |
| 06:10.47 | luke-jr | other than that, they are the same |
| 06:10.50 | raster | with proper glibc, userspace, x11, etc. and that makes it easy - if u already develop for or use linux heavily, to use it, develop for it and adapt it |
| 06:10.58 | raster | unlike android which is an entirely different/foreign os |
| 06:11.08 | Corsac | luke-jr: and security model :) |
| 06:11.14 | dotblank | Qt is good... it still needs some more work but for right now.. it works perfectly fine |
| 06:11.18 | luke-jr | raster: Maemo doesn't use standard GNU userspace, and won't work with standard Linux |
| 06:11.31 | luke-jr | Corsac: uh, no? |
| 06:11.33 | dotblank | igh writing in java... makes me feel sick |
| 06:11.36 | luke-jr | Corsac: Maemo is a single-user OS |
| 06:11.36 | raster | luke-jr: says who? |
| 06:11.39 | raster | it works for me |
| 06:11.45 | raster | instantly |
| 06:11.49 | luke-jr | raster: you've tried booting a standard Linux kernel? |
| 06:11.50 | raster | all the tools i am used to are there |
| 06:11.52 | Corsac | luke-jr: yes, so? |
| 06:11.55 | dotblank | luke-jr, well the kernel doe srun in multi-user mode |
| 06:11.58 | luke-jr | raster: BusyBox is not GNU |
| 06:12.07 | luke-jr | raster: try tar xjvpf |
| 06:12.08 | raster | busybox is good enough |
| 06:12.10 | Corsac | luke-jr: android has a rather complex security model, while maemo5 has basically none :) |
| 06:12.14 | raster | ho pedanticisms |
| 06:12.15 | luke-jr | dotblank: irrelevant |
| 06:12.20 | PhonoN900 | You know what else my "phone" handles perfectly? aXXo movies. Drag and drop. |
| 06:12.29 | Ken-Young | luke-jr, Just install Easy Debian, and you get full gnu utilities. |
| 06:12.30 | Corsac | luke-jr: it's quite easy for any app to access everything on the device |
| 06:12.31 | raster | i've been doing linux on arm devices for about a decade |
| 06:12.32 | asj | raster: where have you been the last hour??? this is all about being pedantic |
| 06:12.34 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: sounds illegal |
| 06:12.35 | Corsac | or for anyone else, for that matter |
| 06:12.38 | raster | busybox is par of the course |
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| 06:12.57 | raster | it is a userspace "fileutils" that is good enough |
| 06:13.01 | asj | raster: he'll also argue it's not Linux because you can't boot an x86 kernel.org kernel on it |
| 06:13.02 | dotblank | luke-jr, axxo is just his brother and he puts his homemade movies on his phone via drag and drop |
| 06:13.10 | raster | asj: time to give up |
| 06:13.16 | raster | i have better things to do |
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| 06:13.22 | luke-jr | asj: kernel.org doesn't build binaries |
| 06:13.23 | rmrfchik_ | asj: lol |
| 06:13.30 | PhonoN900 | I've had a few phones, and nothing handles divx better than my N900 ('cept my laptop) |
| 06:13.50 | asj | raster: and now he's going to argue with me about that ;) told you Nebraska makes ya strange |
| 06:13.53 | raster | maemo is a proper linux userspace by all accepted definitions i have ever seen when it comes to running on arm devices like this |
| 06:14.03 | dotblank | I ahve to say my old Palm OS actually handled movies really really well |
| 06:14.06 | luke-jr | raster: even if you ported N900 hardware support to Linux, Maemo wouldn't boot with it |
| 06:14.09 | raster | i've been doing it for long enough i think to realise that |
| 06:14.19 | raster | but if others want to be pedantic... let them |
| 06:14.23 | luke-jr | raster: proper, yes. full, no. |
| 06:14.26 | asj | ah well it's quiting time :) |
| 06:14.26 | rmrfchik_ | PhonoN900: it wiil be better for N900 to play music without jerking |
| 06:14.30 | PhonoN900 | Again, name a "phone" that can run divx out of the box. |
| 06:14.40 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: the fact that N900 can just proves it isn't a phone |
| 06:14.46 | rmrfchik_ | damn... music skipping drives me mad |
| 06:14.50 | PhonoN900 | Or, name a phone that can run VLC |
| 06:14.58 | asj | rmrfchik_: the choice of pa probably screwed em there |
| 06:14.58 | raster | luke-jr: you really need to learn something of these devices, hardware etc. etc. |
| 06:15.00 | dotblank | rmrfchik_, Have you tried a different player |
| 06:15.07 | raster | each soc is basically a new hardware platform |
| 06:15.12 | raster | eg like a whole new pc arch |
| 06:15.23 | raster | yes - a standard from kernel-org kernel wont work |
| 06:15.27 | luke-jr | raster: seeing as I'm pretty involved in porting Linux to N8x0, that comment seems misdirected :) |
| 06:15.32 | raster | partly due to russel king simply getting in the way |
| 06:15.42 | raster | partly due to companies not having traditionally wanted to upstream |
| 06:15.51 | luke-jr | raster: I'm not talking about hardware support issues here |
| 06:15.52 | rmrfchik | dotblank: yes. it's not handy. "headset daemon" pauses only built-in player, and I use this feature |
| 06:15.59 | raster | then why "boot a kernel" ? |
| 06:16.01 | luke-jr | raster: I'm talking about Maemo depending on non-standard features |
| 06:16.09 | luke-jr | like /proc/bootreason |
| 06:16.14 | raster | thats in the name of producing a product that works |
| 06:16.23 | raster | u cant rely on standard features for everything |
| 06:16.24 | luke-jr | bad excuse |
| 06:16.35 | raster | there is not always a "standard" for what u want |
| 06:16.39 | raster | and u have a product to get out |
| 06:16.40 | luke-jr | then make it optional |
| 06:16.43 | raster | so u deal with it |
| 06:17.05 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: I'm talking with you over 3G. That means it has phone capabilities, at the least |
| 06:17.08 | luke-jr | if /proc/bootreason is missing, ignore it in some sane way and move on |
| 06:17.18 | raster | more often than not its simply a product requirement and the developer assigned to do it didnt know there was such a standard or feature |
| 06:17.20 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: phone capabilities doesn't make it a phone |
| 06:17.22 | raster | and impelemented it another way |
| 06:17.35 | PhonoN900 | That it can exploit those to deliver voice makes it a "phone" |
| 06:17.45 | luke-jr | raster: and this is why companies are a bad environment for development |
| 06:17.49 | raster | PhonoN900: don't worry. you're right :) |
| 06:18.08 | PhonoN900 | raster: I know :) |
| 06:18.12 | luke-jr | yawn |
| 06:18.34 | raster | luke-jr: i'm afraid i disagree |
| 06:18.42 | raster | as companies provide a very importan tthing... MONEY |
| 06:18.44 | dotblank | I like being able to scp music to my phone |
| 06:18.48 | raster | withotu that very little gets done |
| 06:18.50 | dotblank | I think thats cool |
| 06:19.02 | PhonoN900 | it's been fun though, glad I spoke up :) |
| 06:19.44 | luke-jr | too bad you can't buy a N900 w/o buying Maemo ;) |
| 06:19.51 | PhonoN900 | That World Cup shit was epic. It made me happy. |
| 06:20.13 | luke-jr | one of those four letter words belongs. the other doesn't. |
| 06:20.15 | luke-jr | :P |
| 06:20.20 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: You can dualboot android 2.1 |
| 06:20.31 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: I can probably dualboot Gentoo too |
| 06:20.34 | luke-jr | and probably will |
| 06:20.46 | luke-jr | and install KDE |
| 06:20.48 | PhonoN900 | well there you go. |
| 06:20.49 | magic_silver_box | http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/ |
| 06:21.12 | dotblank | so meego handset I think is approaching very soon |
| 06:21.23 | pupnik | really, thanks |
| 06:21.29 | PhonoN900 | What's with all the hate then? Sincerely? |
| 06:21.55 | luke-jr | it's very simple |
| 06:22.00 | PhonoN900 | @luke-jr |
| 06:22.11 | PhonoN900 | umhum??? |
| 06:22.36 | luke-jr | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 06:23.30 | pupnik | when does whining become whinging? |
| 06:24.14 | PhonoN900 | I don't know how to click/select the url. Let's hear a synopsis, please, luke-jr. |
| 06:24.25 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:24.38 | Corsac | xchat can't click on an url? |
| 06:24.53 | PhonoN900 | honestly, I'd click on it if I could |
| 06:24.55 | luke-jr | "Are you coming to bed?" "I can't. This is important." "What?" "Someone is *wrong* on the internet." |
| 06:25.10 | PhonoN900 | classic :) |
| 06:25.39 | PhonoN900 | op, got it. please hold |
| 06:26.18 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: fine synopsis |
| 06:26.42 | PhonoN900 | clicking on shit does work. my fault |
| 06:28.52 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: Do you have an N900? |
| 06:29.07 | PhonoN900 | just for the sake of conversation |
| 06:29.19 | luke-jr | yes |
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| 06:29.21 | PhonoN900 | is having a fine time |
| 06:29.34 | PhonoN900 | do you like it? |
| 06:29.55 | luke-jr | dunno yet |
| 06:30.20 | luke-jr | still forming an opinion |
| 06:30.26 | PhonoN900 | did you just get it? |
| 06:30.30 | magic_silver_box | is *wrong* on the internet. |
| 06:30.34 | luke-jr | Monday or Tuesday |
| 06:30.45 | PhonoN900 | right on |
| 06:31.11 | PhonoN900 | The browser is pretty ill |
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| 06:31.20 | luke-jr | kinda wish I knew who sent it so I can clarify what I'm expected to do in exchange <.< |
| 06:32.44 | magic_silver_box | slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:32.57 | luke-jr | guess I can reply to the email asking for my address... |
| 06:32.59 | PhonoN900 | I have issues with stuttering Panuchi playback. Also sometimes it lags to such an extent that I have to set it down, for fear of throwing it through a floor |
| 06:34.58 | PhonoN900 | but for the most part (aside from placing a quick call to the wife) I like it. Nice, high resolution display... great codec support. .. awesome browser... decent battery life... |
| 06:35.28 | PhonoN900 | and oc'd to 850, it just hums |
| 06:35.49 | luke-jr | fail |
| 06:36.12 | PhonoN900 | can definitely feel the lack of physical memory |
| 06:36.22 | PhonoN900 | fail what? |
| 06:36.24 | raster | PhonoN900: how's your battery life? :) |
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| 06:37.13 | PhonoN900 | raster: It's pretty good. Not as good as my E71, better than my N95 |
| 06:37.21 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: overclocking = void warranty + device dies sooner |
| 06:37.54 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: don't be a girl about it |
| 06:38.09 | PhonoN900 | it works fine |
| 06:38.32 | raster | PhonoN900: ever @ 850mhz? |
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| 06:38.47 | luke-jr | PhonoN900: of course it works fine |
| 06:38.49 | luke-jr | why wouldn't it? |
| 06:39.02 | PhonoN900 | that's what it's at right now |
| 06:39.03 | raster | PhonoN900: don't worry about the oc - sure. it'll die sooner. lasts 4 years instead of 15 :) |
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| 06:39.16 | luke-jr | overclocking doesn't damage immediate usability (unless you go to extremes), it damages longevity and battery use |
| 06:39.21 | raster | (numbers pulled out of arse - but u get the drift) |
| 06:39.28 | luke-jr | or 1 instead of 4 |
| 06:39.47 | raster | omaps are built to run much more than 4 :) |
| 06:40.17 | PhonoN900 | raster: if you meant how's the batt life @850, that's what I was referencng above. better than some, worse than others |
| 06:40.31 | raster | yeah |
| 06:40.33 | raster | that was my ref |
| 06:40.36 | raster | fair enough |
| 06:40.47 | PhonoN900 | raster: exactly |
| 06:40.47 | raster | the n900 isnt the beefiest one |
| 06:41.03 | luke-jr | I was surprised by the thickness |
| 06:41.10 | luke-jr | N900 is at least 2x as thick as N810 was |
| 06:41.16 | raster | tho i am used to other soc's daily clocking in at 800->1000+ as the nominal normal rate |
| 06:41.17 | raster | not oc |
| 06:41.25 | PhonoN900 | man, the scroll bar in xchat is a bitch |
| 06:41.27 | raster | n900 is indeed a very fat device |
| 06:41.38 | raster | embarrassing almost |
| 06:41.39 | raster | :) |
| 06:41.39 | luke-jr | meh, not fat |
| 06:41.48 | raster | it'd fat. |
| 06:41.50 | luke-jr | it could be thicker without being inconvenient |
| 06:41.50 | raster | it's |
| 06:41.51 | PhonoN900 | indeed, it's a chubby fucker |
| 06:42.12 | raster | but i have desks full of devices much slimmer, faster and slicker. |
| 06:42.15 | luke-jr | it's still thinner than my C760 |
| 06:42.16 | raster | but i'm spoilt. |
| 06:42.33 | raster | so take that with a grain of salt |
| 06:42.45 | PhonoN900 | i like my bitc er phones with a bit of meat on their bones |
| 06:43.04 | raster | hahahaha |
| 06:43.08 | jd | i never get really god battery life on the n900 and i rarely even have any app open and i only connect to gprs when i need it which is not even 1h a day |
| 06:43.10 | luke-jr | I like my C760's form factor |
| 06:43.15 | raster | i like mine sleek and glowing |
| 06:43.16 | raster | :) |
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| 06:44.14 | PhonoN900 | jd: I keep my backlight @ 3. Seems to help |
| 06:44.20 | jd | mine is at 2 |
| 06:44.30 | jd | and i don't have any widgets or anything draining battery |
| 06:44.37 | PhonoN900 | jd: well then... |
| 06:44.38 | jd | but i can't seem to make it to barely 8h of battery life |
| 06:44.40 | luke-jr | jd: mine took 6 hours to drop below 100% |
| 06:44.44 | jd | how? |
| 06:44.48 | luke-jr | shrug |
| 06:45.03 | jd | i noticed a bit of a battery improvement in PR1.2 |
| 06:45.29 | PhonoN900 | jd: I don't make 8 either, probably... I've always got mine plugged into the computer @ work |
| 06:45.54 | jd | other than the battery the n900 is the best device ever |
| 06:45.58 | luke-jr | jd: maybe because I have no SIM |
| 06:46.18 | `0660 | mine usually lasts all day even with 3g, skype and fb-chat |
| 06:46.48 | PhonoN900 | honestly though, if I leave it alone in my pocket, or just sitting around @ my house, it'll last forever. |
| 06:47.12 | PhonoN900 | but if I use it, no more than 8 hours off charger |
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| 06:47.50 | PhonoN900 | hell, it's plugged into the wall right now |
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| 06:51.59 | PhonoN900 | luke-jr: if you've only just gotten the "phone", for your own sanity, try not to be SO negative. there's no fun in dissing something you spent a mint on |
| 06:52.31 | PhonoN900 | cheers though, catch y'all next time |
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| 06:55.05 | jd | hi PhonoN900 |
| 06:55.29 | PhonoN900 | meh, fuck :) not like I have anything better to do |
| 06:55.53 | dotblank | PhonoN900, want to test my app? |
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| 06:56.38 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: maybe... what does it do? |
| 06:56.39 | jd | irc is a good way to waste time |
| 06:56.50 | PhonoN900 | jd: word |
| 06:56.57 | dotblank | PhonoN900, groove shark client.. I added playlist support but its acting funky |
| 06:57.13 | jd | i always get on xchat from work from my n900 :P |
| 06:57.46 | PhonoN900 | it's been a while since I screwed around in IRC. it destroys my battery, unfortunately |
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| 06:58.39 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: sure, let's do this |
| 06:58.44 | PhonoN900 | pumps fist |
| 06:59.10 | dotblank | PhonoN900, do you ahve a sdk or a scratchbox environment? if you don't I can just send you build binaries |
| 06:59.17 | dotblank | built* |
| 06:59.48 | PhonoN900 | i've only got my phone... |
| 07:00.05 | dotblank | oh thats right.. can you click links in your xchat on your phone |
| 07:00.06 | Stskeeps | dotblank: how's the client coming on? |
| 07:00.20 | PhonoN900 | i'll install whatever you're serving though |
| 07:00.29 | dotblank | Stskeeps, my playlist is buggy and can't fiqure out why adding songs isn't working |
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| 07:00.31 | PhonoN900 | yes, I can click links |
| 07:00.45 | dotblank | Stskeeps, it plays songs once but... |
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| 07:03.05 | Venemo | Good morning! |
| 07:03.09 | dotblank | PhonoN900, one sec as I have to upload the libs and bins to my server |
| 07:03.48 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: no worries, let me know when you're ready |
| 07:04.16 | PhonoN900 | Venemo: good morning |
| 07:04.32 | _0x47 | amigadave: you are here! :) |
| 07:04.59 | amigadave | _0x47: morning |
| 07:05.06 | _0x47 | morning! |
| 07:05.32 | Lilly | HI! |
| 07:05.34 | dotblank | PhonoN900, http://dotblank.selfip.com/libqjson.so.0.7.1 |
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| 07:05.57 | dotblank | thats the library.. download that then open the terminal and copy it to /usr/lib |
| 07:06.00 | Lilly | Is there a guide to confirgurare filezilla to connect to openssh? |
| 07:06.52 | _0x47 | amigadave: I set up the new target and everything. Now I'm about to build, but have one unresolved dependency. After installing all the packages from the maemo repos, "cdbs" is 0.4.48, but I need 0.4.49. I have the Ubuntu .deb here, that works fine. Is it safe to install? I mean the error did not seem to lead from there right? |
| 07:07.40 | amigadave | _0x47: you could check why you need the newer version, you may be able to drop the dependency |
| 07:07.45 | Venemo | hey folks, is there anyone here who can help me with a weird issue with the auto builder? |
| 07:07.49 | amigadave | but you can try using the Ubuntu package |
| 07:08.03 | _0x47 | amigadave: how to check this? Or just lower it and hope it works? |
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| 07:08.30 | amigadave | _0x47: that would be my first attempt, yes ;) |
| 07:08.39 | _0x47 | amigadave: ok, let me try that |
| 07:08.49 | amigadave | or you could check the changelog of the package and of cdbs to see what changes might be relevant |
| 07:09.13 | dotblank | PhonoN900, you'll need to be root to copy it |
| 07:10.14 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: out of my depth, sorry... i'm in the directory where I saved it. what is the command i need to cp from/MyDocs/DOWNLOADS to /usr/lib ? |
| 07:10.54 | PhonoN900 | i am |
| 07:11.14 | dotblank | PhonoN900, should be cp /home/user/MyDocs/DOWNLOADS/libqjson.so.0.7.1 /usr/lib |
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| 07:13.22 | hrw | morning |
| 07:15.20 | dotblank | PhonoN900, once the file is copied run this command ln /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0.7.1 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0 |
| 07:15.29 | Venemo | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-June/026939.html |
| 07:17.20 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: it says file exists... |
| 07:17.43 | dotblank | PhonoN900, for which monnad the cp or the ln? |
| 07:17.45 | PhonoN900 | feel like i'm doing it wrong |
| 07:17.52 | dotblank | command* |
| 07:18.12 | PhonoN900 | ln |
| 07:18.46 | PhonoN900 | Nokia-N900-42-11:/usr/lib# ln /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0.7.1 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0ln: /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0: File exists |
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| 07:19.28 | dotblank | PhonoN900, can you run ls /usr/lib/libqjson* |
| 07:20.16 | PhonoN900 | Nokia-N900-42-11:/usr/lib# ls /usr/lib/libqjson* |
| 07:20.22 | jpe | tried my n900 with a ford navigation system -> no go, sometimes i have a connection, sometimes not. phonebook does not show up |
| 07:20.46 | PhonoN900 | hold on, not right |
| 07:21.41 | PhonoN900 | /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0 /usr/lib/libqjson.so.0.7.1 |
| 07:21.55 | dotblank | PhonoN900, odd I have no idea how that got there... |
| 07:22.05 | dotblank | anyway... lets continue |
| 07:22.15 | PhonoN900 | classic :) |
| 07:22.23 | dotblank | PhonoN900, http://dotblank.selfip.com/groove |
| 07:22.25 | PhonoN900 | i'm just not savy |
| 07:22.29 | dotblank | just download that wherever |
| 07:23.27 | dotblank | then chmod +x groove |
| 07:23.27 | PhonoN900 | 3.6 mb saved to DOWNLOADS |
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| 07:23.34 | dotblank | in the downloads folder |
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| 07:24.42 | dotblank | err rather chmod+x ./groove |
| 07:24.59 | dotblank | chmod +x ./groove |
| 07:25.29 | dotblank | once thats done try running it |
| 07:25.33 | dotblank | ./groove |
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| 07:28.15 | PhonoN900 | i'm doing it wrong. i'm not a good tester. my apologies |
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| 07:29.19 | dotblank | PhonoN900, does it error or say it can't find libqjson? |
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| 07:33.25 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: neither... as sudo, I'm in DOWNLOADS, run chmod +x ./groove |
| 07:33.37 | PhonoN900 | and it doesn't do anything |
| 07:33.48 | dotblank | PhonoN900, thats ok |
| 07:33.56 | dotblank | PhonoN900, can you run ./groove/ |
| 07:34.01 | dotblank | ./groove |
| 07:34.21 | _0x47 | amigadave: sry had to take a crap. The build has the same error regarding "Mix_Chunk" (was previous declared). So I'd like to check your idea regarding the SDL_Mixer version. How to do that? BTW: I decreased the dep. version of cdbs, so far no complaining... |
| 07:35.11 | PhonoN900 | permission denied |
| 07:35.31 | dotblank | PhonoN900, ok try chmod +x ./groove |
| 07:35.36 | dotblank | without sudo |
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| 07:36.43 | dotblank | then run ./groove |
| 07:37.23 | amigadave | _0x47: you could first try removing the forward declaration and just including the SDL_Mixer header instead, might be quicker |
| 07:37.30 | PhonoN900 | well i'm at the folder with sudo gainroot... |
| 07:37.55 | dotblank | PhonoN900, oh ok.. try chown user ./groove |
| 07:38.42 | _0x47 | i think that's what I tried before, it will fail at another point then. but let me do it to insure |
| 07:38.48 | dotblank | then chmod 777 ./groove |
| 07:38.53 | _0x47 | @ amigadave |
| 07:39.31 | amigadave | _0x47: ok, if you want to check the SDL_Mixer version then you can do a dpkg-query --show libsdl-mixer1.2 |
| 07:39.39 | amigadave | although the package name may be different on Ubuntu |
| 07:39.47 | PhonoN900 | dotblank: sorry for being such a douche, like i said, out of my depth... don't put youself out trying to talk me through it. i'm a willing paticipant, just not a capable one |
| 07:40.05 | dotblank | PhonoN900, no no its fine |
| 07:40.06 | _0x47 | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL2: ~/MyDocs/vcmi_armel/vcmi-0.81-svn1610] > dpkg-query --show libsdl-mixer1.2 |
| 07:40.06 | _0x47 | libsdl-mixer1.2 1:1.2.6-5+0m5 |
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| 07:43.06 | PhonoN900 | sorry man, didn't mean to waste your time with my ineptness |
| 07:43.31 | dotblank | PhonoN900, nah its ok. its really my fault for not providing a package so uyou can't apt-get install it |
| 07:44.44 | vldcnst | ~botsnack |
| 07:44.44 | infobot | vldcnst: :) |
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| 07:47.48 | PhonoN900 | meh! fail whale. cheers dotblank, sorry i couldn't be of assistance |
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| 07:50.00 | PhonoN900 | it's 3 here, gotta wind down. g'night all |
| 07:52.58 | ham5 | how do I access the rootfs pluged into usb? |
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| 08:00.06 | Lilly | n900 is very better phone :) . Ihave setting filezilla to transfer file on n900 good very good |
| 08:00.41 | Lilly | happy to buy this phone :) |
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| 08:14.40 | chem|st | moaning has bro'ken *sing* |
| 08:15.17 | chem|st | ham5: you don't but by setting up usb networking and ssh'ing to the device |
| 08:17.06 | mirf | has anyone got samba working on maemo5? |
| 08:17.21 | mirf | I notice there is samba-common for maemo2 |
| 08:17.43 | mirf | might have to be my first compile :/ |
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| 08:18.10 | Duckboot | mirf: There is som wizard-mounter-stuff - Might be in therer |
| 08:18.31 | chem|st | mirf: as there are other ways... |
| 08:18.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:18.55 | mirf | other ways like winscp, ftp etc? |
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| 08:19.19 | chem|st | Duckboot: I think he is looking for providing share not mount shares |
| 08:19.35 | mirf | yeah that's right chem|st |
| 08:19.45 | Duckboot | mirf: Samba is in there |
| 08:19.57 | Duckboot | samba - SMB/CIFS file, print, and login server for Unix |
| 08:20.22 | Duckboot | samba-common - common files used by both the Samba server and client |
| 08:20.25 | chem|st | mirf: you might be able to "mount" / somehow to your windows, never done that but as you can run a linux atop a windows I am pretty sure someone did it already |
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| 08:21.42 | mirf | bit of a dirty habit of mine is putting samba shares on my linux boxes |
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| 08:22.16 | chem|st | mirf: you mount samba shares between linux boxes? |
| 08:22.23 | mirf | nope |
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| 08:22.47 | chem|st | you like to provide shares then? |
| 08:22.53 | mirf | yes |
| 08:22.56 | chem|st | no matter if needed or not |
| 08:23.12 | mirf | Duckboot: I see samba-common is there but it's not valid for install |
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| 08:23.29 | mirf | depends how you define 'needed' |
| 08:24.21 | mirf | samba shares are great to have on predominately windows networks |
| 08:24.46 | chem|st | needed in "my girlfriend got windows and will never make it to mount a non windows-share to her laptop, even windows-share needs me to write a bashscript she can click on" |
| 08:25.21 | Corsac | even on Linux networks, cifs/samba shares are good |
| 08:25.28 | Corsac | I'm not sure I prefer nfs over cifs |
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| 08:26.00 | chem|st | mirf: a server in between who checks for bugs/horses/viruses is what we do here |
| 08:26.10 | _0x47 | amigadave: dunno if that makes sense, but I added the SDL_mixer.h and removed the declaration in CMusicHandler.h. Now it complains that it wouldn't be declared later. WTF? |
| 08:26.45 | chem|st | mirf: most of the machines don't have a direct share open and our network is able to separate infected machines |
| 08:26.50 | amigadave | _0x47: i would file a bug |
| 08:26.52 | DrGrov | Anyone using a 3G usb internet for a Mac ever? Sorry for offtopic |
| 08:27.33 | chem|st | DrGrov: which type? and yes there is |
| 08:27.36 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: hello, you there? i got a memo from you about the chargers. perhaps yes i could send them for you |
| 08:27.52 | DrGrov | chem|st: it is a Huawei E169 and DNA is the finnish operator I use |
| 08:29.00 | _0x47 | amigadave: I swear it compiles on my ubuntu machine... |
| 08:29.10 | chem|st | there is a bug with E169 and you might fix it with a patch |
| 08:29.26 | chem|st | DNA should be irreleveant |
| 08:29.44 | amigadave | _0x47: well, that's a good point of reference that you can use in the bug report |
| 08:30.45 | mirf | that setup sounds interesting chem|st, is it active directory network? |
| 08:32.00 | chem|st | yeah its a windows server, all that security measure drains speed from 1Gb/s to some like 8-700Mb/s but ok |
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| 08:32.41 | _0x47 | amigadave: where to report it? maemo or the software's maintainer? I don't get who's fault this would be if it doesn't compile in the SDK. I assume it's the SDK's fault... |
| 08:32.42 | mirf | sounds super secure |
| 08:32.50 | mirf | unfortuantely we have nothing like that at work |
| 08:33.13 | mirf | anyway I better crack on and get this samba working ;P |
| 08:33.32 | chem|st | the "doh" on it is that till we setup access to some machines directly you had to sit infront of the machine you needed files from to get them into your folder on the server *pain-in-the-A* |
| 08:33.53 | mirf | ah yeah that sounds a bit poop |
| 08:33.56 | mirf | but still |
| 08:34.02 | mirf | nice and locked down |
| 08:34.10 | amigadave | _0x47: i would report it upstream, as they know the code that does not compile |
| 08:34.10 | chem|st | mirf: it's windows.... secure windows is an oximoron |
| 08:34.43 | chem|st | if the server gets a cold all machines are infected anyway |
| 08:34.45 | _0x47 | amigadave: Thanks, that's what I will do. If you like I'll let you know the result. |
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| 08:34.54 | amigadave | _0x47: sure! |
| 08:35.57 | chem|st | DrGrov: http://www.sumardi.net/2009/01/16/how-to-setup-huawei-usb-e169-modem-on-mac-os-x/ |
| 08:36.03 | chem|st | what about this? |
| 08:36.17 | DrGrov | chem|st: thank you, i already found it. it was just a double-click away to get it working :) |
| 08:36.26 | chem|st | ah ok |
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| 08:36.50 | chem|st | well bit of a fail! to need the 220 drivers to have a 169 working... |
| 08:38.12 | DrGrov | chem|st: it seems like that i presume. i do not have the macbook around me to test now. just at the summer place i have a possibility to test it out in practice. perhaps it will work without any problems but i am not 100% sure that it will work just like that. perhaps i need of course to do some manual settings in order for the 3g usb to find it. |
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| 08:39.14 | chem|st | GLHF |
| 08:39.37 | DrGrov | GLHF? |
| 08:39.43 | Corsac | good luck / have fnu |
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| 08:39.50 | DrGrov | thanks :) |
| 08:39.58 | DrGrov | i am a bit too old for this fancy shit talk ;) |
| 08:39.59 | DrGrov | lol |
| 08:40.49 | DrGrov | well, gotta run. |
| 08:40.52 | DrGrov | thanks for the help |
| 08:41.03 | DrGrov | happy midsummer to you who celebrate it |
| 08:41.07 | DrGrov | take care guys and gals |
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| 08:57.01 | mirf | hmmm |
| 08:57.11 | mirf | the latest update installed support for portrait browsing... how does one activate that? |
| 08:58.21 | jacekowski | same as in the iphone |
| 08:58.52 | jacekowski | besides, use opera |
| 08:58.53 | Surfa | mirf, from the browser options |
| 08:59.11 | jacekowski | it's a lot better |
| 08:59.28 | eitama | Opera has no flash ): |
| 08:59.34 | Surfa | opera is worst browser ever.. at least on n900 |
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| 09:00.16 | jacekowski | eitama: who needs flash |
| 09:00.17 | Surfa | portrait mode keyboard is the only thing i remotely like in it |
| 09:00.24 | eitama | I Do (: |
| 09:00.51 | eitama | It's not fun to reach a site and face the fact that you need to copy the URL and move to microB just for that page |
| 09:01.08 | mirf | so does portrait work in microb? |
| 09:01.14 | jacekowski | well, i don't use flash at all |
| 09:01.14 | eitama | It does |
| 09:01.17 | mirf | good :) |
| 09:01.25 | jacekowski | thing is that it's too unsecure |
| 09:01.36 | jacekowski | there are 3 known exploits for it |
| 09:01.40 | jacekowski | one which is widely used |
| 09:01.49 | crashanddie | Best TMO post ever: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=728087&postcount=220 |
| 09:01.53 | eitama | mirf: exit fullsceen mode, press on the title at top, and enable it in the options |
| 09:01.55 | jacekowski | and it's matter of time before somebody modifies it to use arm shellcode |
| 09:02.03 | mirf | cool thanks eitama |
| 09:02.18 | crashanddie | Surfa: Opera is excellent. It's 10 times faster than microb |
| 09:03.05 | eitama | I'll give opera another try though. |
| 09:03.07 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/thankedposts.php?since=999 begs to differ ;p but quite good post |
| 09:04.27 | mirf | wow gooo woody |
| 09:04.34 | Trizt | thinks microb is the best of the browsers, but it could been nice if had been a bit fstare |
| 09:04.56 | mirf | microb is mozilla right, it was always gonn abe slow |
| 09:05.06 | mirf | but it has other benefits |
| 09:05.24 | crashanddie | A French convict who killed his cellmate and ate his lung was sentenced to 30 years in prison on Thursday. |
| 09:05.28 | Trizt | it's not as lowe as the other one Fennic or what is called |
| 09:05.40 | crashanddie | lowe? |
| 09:05.50 | eitama | BTW guys - offtopic question, what IRC client you using on the PC? |
| 09:05.55 | Trizt | crashanddie; so he will have his snack bar for another 30 years |
| 09:06.16 | asj_ | eitama: the best client ever writen ksirc ;) |
| 09:06.25 | Trizt | slow |
| 09:06.33 | andre__ | eitama: xchat |
| 09:06.34 | crashanddie | Nokia Oyj will use Linux MeeGo software in its N-series lineup, hoping the new platform will give it a better chance to battle against rivals such as Apple Inc and Google Inc. |
| 09:06.49 | crashanddie | eitama: macirssi |
| 09:06.59 | crashanddie | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N20Y20100624 |
| 09:07.05 | Trizt | eitama; XChat or iirc |
| 09:07.15 | mirf | eitama: irssi! |
| 09:07.29 | eitama | IRSSI? |
| 09:07.35 | eitama | is that another acronym? |
| 09:07.44 | eitama | or name of an app? |
| 09:07.45 | eitama | lol |
| 09:07.49 | mirf | it's the app :P |
| 09:07.50 | Lilly | if you expert irssi, else xchat |
| 09:08.09 | mirf | irssi in a screen on a shell tunnelled through ssh |
| 09:08.12 | mirf | its' the only way ;) |
| 09:08.15 | eitama | i tried using xchat, it seems nice - but for some reason, when I try to connect to 4 channels it just ignored my /join commands |
| 09:08.18 | Trizt | eitama; http://irssi.org/ |
| 09:08.34 | eitama | I'll take a look |
| 09:08.40 | eitama | thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 09:08.42 | eitama | MIRC is crap |
| 09:08.47 | eitama | xchat gave me a hard time |
| 09:08.51 | eitama | now using IceChat |
| 09:08.58 | Trizt | eitama; I'm connected to two networks and 10 channels, no problems |
| 09:09.00 | eitama | and it's notification handeling is lame |
| 09:09.00 | jacekowski | irssi FTW |
| 09:09.07 | pahartik | eitama: "irssi"... Works within "screen" and has proxy |
| 09:09.10 | eitama | Yeah I am now too |
| 09:09.17 | eitama | I'll go look now |
| 09:09.18 | eitama | at irssi |
| 09:09.20 | asj_ | eitama: under windows try pidgin as well |
| 09:09.43 | Trizt | or go to dirstrowatch.com and download a new os |
| 09:09.44 | jacekowski | i use irssi + screen + ssh + jabber_notify + jabber |
| 09:09.56 | Lilly | is there game zuma to maemo? |
| 09:09.57 | eitama | lol |
| 09:10.08 | eitama | lol trizt |
| 09:10.18 | eitama | I tried insalling ubuntu 10.04 like 6 times |
| 09:10.25 | eitama | always failed. |
| 09:10.31 | eitama | even live cd didn't work |
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| 09:10.35 | eitama | Gave up |
| 09:10.46 | eitama | Burned CDs at 2x, changed CDs Checked MD5s |
| 09:10.51 | Trizt | eitama; if you failed then it means you didn't install that ms thing yourself, you got it when you bought the hardware |
| 09:10.51 | eitama | Posted on ubuntu forums |
| 09:10.53 | eitama | nothing worked |
| 09:11.03 | crashanddie | enter isn't a form of punctuation |
| 09:11.09 | mirf | that's the great thing about irssi and screen, you can connect to it from pretty much anywhere and still pick up your chat where you left off |
| 09:11.28 | crashanddie | who cares, really? |
| 09:11.48 | eitama | Trizt: I installed xp, windows vista, windows 7, openSuse, ubuntu 8.04 and debian on this laptop |
| 09:11.58 | crashanddie | only geeks and nerds care about replicating all the logs from a single channel, and be permanently connected |
| 09:11.59 | eitama | Trizt: The only OS I really want, and can't install, is ubuntu 10.04 |
| 09:12.07 | eitama | Trizt: Believe me, I tried everything. |
| 09:12.27 | Trizt | eitama; go for Gentoo instead, better |
| 09:12.29 | crashanddie | if you're not there, just disconnect, nobody gives a flying fuck whether you're online or not |
| 09:12.34 | mirf | crashanddie: guilty as charged! |
| 09:12.39 | eitama | I like the Compiz thingy on ubuntu |
| 09:12.56 | mirf | I give a flying a fuck whether I'm online or not.. jeeeeez |
| 09:12.57 | eitama | The visuals are great, the OS is fun, I like debian, it fits me like a glove. |
| 09:12.59 | Trizt | eitama; you can get it on any Linux dist |
| 09:13.00 | mirf | :D |
| 09:13.08 | eitama | Gentoo |
| 09:13.15 | eitama | What package manager does that use? |
| 09:13.20 | mirf | pacman |
| 09:13.26 | Trizt | eitama; portage |
| 09:13.31 | eitama | Yays |
| 09:13.34 | eitama | Yayks* |
| 09:13.38 | eitama | Never heard of that one |
| 09:13.44 | eitama | I'm so inlove with apt-get |
| 09:13.52 | eitama | It beats windows expirience anytime. |
| 09:15.10 | eitama | Ummm about Irssi, on windows, what exactly does the UI look like? is it terminal style? or what? |
| 09:15.20 | eitama | can I hit links and they open? |
| 09:15.23 | eitama | are there tabs? |
| 09:15.25 | mirf | you can't run it directly on windows |
| 09:15.29 | jacekowski | you can |
| 09:15.33 | jacekowski | there is windows irssi |
| 09:15.37 | eitama | I see on the site there is a windows installer |
| 09:15.45 | mirf | ooh |
| 09:16.08 | mirf | cool :) |
| 09:16.21 | eitama | BTW, any of you tried my app? horizontal-call? i'm looking for feedback. |
| 09:16.39 | mirf | there are tabbed windows in a way |
| 09:17.19 | mirf | eitama: got a link? |
| 09:17.19 | Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm |
| 09:17.20 | infobot | well, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 09:17.22 | Trizt | eitama: http://irssi.org/themefiles/insane.png |
| 09:17.44 | eitama | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56533 |
| 09:17.50 | eitama | It's in devel |
| 09:18.24 | eitama | Trizt: Thats not for me. |
| 09:18.30 | eitama | Trizt: I want the "windows" expirience |
| 09:18.41 | eitama | (: |
| 09:18.45 | Trizt | eitama: then use x-chat |
| 09:18.57 | eitama | I tried it |
| 09:19.03 | eitama | For some reason |
| 09:19.08 | eitama | it won't connect to more then 2 chat rooms |
| 09:19.09 | eitama | at once |
| 09:19.14 | Trizt | try another version or a proper os |
| 09:19.23 | eitama | when with mirc and iceChat i am connected to 5 channels |
| 09:19.29 | eitama | Windows 7 is a proper os lol |
| 09:19.34 | mirf | thanks eitama |
| 09:19.35 | eitama | )" |
| 09:19.35 | eitama | (: |
| 09:19.39 | eitama | Np |
| 09:19.46 | jacekowski | eitama: it will |
| 09:19.52 | Trizt | I use X-Chat and I'm cyrrently on 10 channels where one is another irc-net |
| 09:19.53 | jacekowski | eitama: you just don't know how to do it |
| 09:20.05 | cehteh | chem|st: ping |
| 09:20.11 | jacekowski | eitama: it's /connect not /server |
| 09:20.22 | eitama | I believe you 100% Trizt |
| 09:20.40 | eitama | jacekowski: sorry I missed the context of what you are saying |
| 09:20.46 | eitama | "/connect' |
| 09:20.47 | Trizt | another good irc client is AmIrc |
| 09:20.48 | eitama | for what? |
| 09:20.55 | jacekowski | eitama: to connect to another irc server |
| 09:21.05 | mirf | on windows I used to like hydrairc |
| 09:21.10 | mirf | but it was a bit buggy |
| 09:21.30 | eitama | I don't need a few servers |
| 09:21.32 | eitama | just freenode |
| 09:21.37 | eitama | I was able to connect to freenode |
| 09:21.40 | eitama | and join 2 channels |
| 09:21.42 | eitama | from the moment |
| 09:21.49 | eitama | when I typed /join #name |
| 09:21.51 | eitama | nothing happened |
| 09:22.01 | jacekowski | maybe channel doesn't exist |
| 09:22.06 | eitama | wether i typed it in the console channel or one of the previous channels |
| 09:22.07 | eitama | they exist |
| 09:22.08 | jacekowski | or you are banned |
| 09:22.08 | eitama | (: |
| 09:22.13 | eitama | No way |
| 09:22.20 | eitama | I barly use IRC to get banned |
| 09:22.21 | eitama | (: |
| 09:22.23 | jacekowski | eitama: because you are already on that channel |
| 09:22.23 | eitama | and |
| 09:22.28 | jacekowski | eitama: so you have to switch to that window |
| 09:22.33 | jacekowski | eitama: not join them |
| 09:22.38 | Trizt | jacekowski he will get to chennel if it don't exsist, the only time he won't if the channel is password protected or invite onely |
| 09:22.40 | eitama | lol jacekowski |
| 09:22.45 | eitama | give some credit mate |
| 09:22.55 | eitama | lol |
| 09:22.57 | chem|st | cehteh: pong |
| 09:22.58 | eitama | you know what |
| 09:23.02 | eitama | i'm installing xchat now |
| 09:23.07 | eitama | to prove it to you |
| 09:23.07 | eitama | lol |
| 09:23.11 | jacekowski | Trizt: well, x-chat had some problems handling channels that redirect to different one |
| 09:23.14 | cehteh | chem|st: s. /query |
| 09:23.39 | eitama | 5 channels : qt qt-maemo maemo maemo-devel qt-creator |
| 09:23.42 | Trizt | jacekowski; okey, didn't know and never really needed to go to a such chan |
| 09:23.51 | cehteh | hah .. lol |
| 09:24.30 | cehteh | i just found the email inbox cache from the first device i had in december (amazon warehouse deals) of the former owner in my backups |
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| 09:26.16 | eitama_ | lol |
| 09:26.20 | eitama_ | now it's working |
| 09:26.28 | jacekowski | PEBKAC |
| 09:26.39 | eitama | What's that? |
| 09:27.06 | MohammadAG51 | Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair |
| 09:27.14 | eitama_ | lol |
| 09:27.27 | eitama_ | MohammadAG51, I'm so lucky you are here to enlighten me mate |
| 09:27.36 | eitama_ | Thats so true btw |
| 09:27.50 | MohammadAG51 | xD |
| 09:27.53 | MohammadAG51 | now then |
| 09:28.02 | MohammadAG51 | why was i g/k/zlined? |
| 09:28.28 | MohammadAG51 | * Closing link [Timeout] oh, nvm |
| 09:28.39 | eitama_ | MohammadAG51, You remember the problem with the dbus? |
| 09:28.53 | chem|st | cehteh: got no query... |
| 09:30.26 | MohammadAG51 | eitama_, yeah? |
| 09:31.16 | eitama_ | You remember it? |
| 09:32.03 | MohammadAG51 | i think so |
| 09:32.09 | eitama_ | Where I had to add the path |
| 09:32.12 | eitama_ | to the /include folder? |
| 09:32.18 | eitama_ | /usr/include/QtDbus |
| 09:32.29 | eitama_ | for it to compile both on madde and autobuilder |
| 09:32.51 | eitama_ | I found out what was the problem |
| 09:33.07 | eitama_ | I had QT += dbus <whatever> |
| 09:33.12 | eitama_ | at the top of the pro file |
| 09:33.13 | eitama_ | and |
| 09:33.17 | eitama_ | somwhere to the end |
| 09:33.21 | eitama_ | there was another line |
| 09:33.23 | eitama_ | QT = core gui |
| 09:33.28 | eitama_ | lol |
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| 09:40.58 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 09:41.27 | eitama | Lame eh? |
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| 09:50.02 | dotblank | im in a super happy mood :) |
| 09:51.47 | mirf | :D |
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| 09:55.38 | mirf | why dotblank ? |
| 09:56.15 | dotblank | why because I fixed a bug that Ive been trying to fix for the last 3 hours |
| 09:56.19 | dneary | Hi |
| 09:56.28 | mirf | wooooo |
| 09:56.33 | Stskeeps | morn dneary |
| 09:56.45 | mirf | so prior to being happy you were FAR from it |
| 09:56.49 | mirf | :P |
| 09:57.02 | dotblank | mirf, well.. I wasn't really angry |
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| 09:57.08 | mirf | frustrated |
| 09:57.09 | mirf | ? |
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| 09:57.18 | dotblank | I mean its amazing what one int can mess up |
| 09:57.21 | dneary | Stskeeps, Can I ask your advice? |
| 09:57.33 | Stskeeps | dneary: always |
| 09:57.48 | dneary | I'd like to change the behaviour of the "Go" button in the wiki so that it doesn't go, it sarches, even if there's an exact name match |
| 09:57.51 | dotblank | had to fix it in a seemingly unrelated part of the code |
| 09:57.54 | dneary | Do you think that's a good idea? |
| 09:58.17 | Stskeeps | dneary: i hate the default of 'Go' as it says Search above the text field |
| 09:58.32 | dneary | (basically, if you look at a normal mediawiki, there are two buttons - there's search & go, and I'm going to swap the behaviour for Maemo) |
| 09:59.29 | SpeedEvil | Why make it non-standard? |
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| 09:59.39 | Stskeeps | cos standard sucks? |
| 09:59.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:59.41 | SpeedEvil | I have no objection - as long as the page of the title comes first. |
| 10:00.55 | SpeedEvil | It is an extra click, and more data downloaded, which can be annoying for those on slow connections. |
| 10:04.06 | ShadowJK | has never figured out how to make the search actually find things :P |
| 10:06.11 | dneary | Stskeeps, Try it now, see it you prefer |
| 10:06.30 | dneary | SpeedEvil, To fit with the maemo.org style of one search button |
| 10:06.56 | dneary | Stskeeps, There is a serious down-side to using search, and that's short searches |
| 10:07.06 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 10:07.10 | dneary | Searching for Qt doesn't find the exact matching page now |
| 10:08.40 | MohammadAG51 | what revision of debian is maemo closest to? |
| 10:09.15 | dneary | Stskeeps, Too big a change to make before leaving for a weekend |
| 10:09.26 | dneary | MohammadAG51, Tough question |
| 10:09.41 | dneary | MohammadAG51, I'd say no released version. |
| 10:10.00 | MohammadAG51 | :D |
| 10:10.26 | MohammadAG51 | guess i'll have to check dependencies myself |
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| 10:13.08 | dneary | MohammadAG51, If you have a specific question, Stskeeps is our distmaster around here |
| 10:13.14 | dneary | He's sure to be able to help you out |
| 10:14.03 | MohammadAG51 | dneary, nah, he has a thing against helping out and making you find the answer on your own :P |
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| 10:19.46 | dneary | MohammadAG51, The meanie |
| 10:19.54 | dneary | Anyway - off. Bye! |
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| 10:20.36 | Venemo | hi all! |
| 10:20.40 | Venemo | I have good news for you |
| 10:20.45 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: a mix of sarge, etch |
| 10:20.53 | SpeedEvil | You have ported maemo to the nokia 3310? |
| 10:20.57 | Venemo | The Sticky Notes widget is now working correctly |
| 10:20.58 | Venemo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57049 |
| 10:21.01 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 10:21.06 | SpeedEvil | On the 3310? |
| 10:21.08 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: almost :P |
| 10:21.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 10:23.02 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: btw, the 3310 doesn't quite provide the necessary harware requirements for Maemo |
| 10:23.05 | Venemo | :P |
| 10:23.22 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, I was referring to the touchscreen problem above, but ty anyways :P |
| 10:23.48 | Stskeeps | what touchscreen problem? :P |
| 10:24.37 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, the one where the ts doesn't work on ubuntu 9.10 :) |
| 10:24.53 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: didn't i tell you to look at how we got that working in meego? :P |
| 10:25.12 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, no, you sent me to mer :P |
| 10:25.25 | MohammadAG51 | and the tsc2005.ko thing didn't work :) |
| 10:25.25 | Stskeeps | .. no i didn't |
| 10:25.43 | MohammadAG51 | as well as the mer xorg.conf file |
| 10:25.51 | Stskeeps | tsc2005.ko being there is one part, second part is xorg.conf configuration, third part is getting rid of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 10:26.34 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: That just makes it a challenge! :) |
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| 10:33.01 | obsidieth | hmmm. anyone played with the infrared? |
| 10:33.05 | obsidieth | i cant say mine actually fires. |
| 10:33.17 | nidO | how've you checked it |
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| 10:33.50 | asj_ | camera I presume |
| 10:34.05 | obsidieth | well its not controlling my tv, and im trying the shutter ap. |
| 10:34.16 | obsidieth | im not quite sure how to test with a camera, though. |
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| 10:34.44 | asj_ | ccds are very sensitive to IR |
| 10:34.48 | nidO | manually send a command through lirc while pointing a digital video camera at the ir port |
| 10:34.59 | nidO | you should see blue flashes on the camera if the port's sending the command |
| 10:35.08 | obsidieth | one sec. |
| 10:35.09 | asj_ | doesn't have to video, anything with live preview |
| 10:35.15 | obsidieth | wheres the IR port? :p by the way |
| 10:35.37 | nidO | top right of the device |
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| 10:36.32 | Corsac | except that usually there are filters before or after the cmos/ccd? |
| 10:36.45 | obsidieth | right. i can see the flash of my tv remote. |
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| 10:37.21 | obsidieth | ah yes. its flashing for shutter. |
| 10:37.41 | obsidieth | ok. definitely flashes |
| 10:37.53 | obsidieth | its some sort of remote misconfiguration one would assume |
| 10:38.27 | nidO | if you're trying to use qtirreco remotes yes |
| 10:38.37 | nidO | loads of them are duff and send invalid/nonexistant codes |
| 10:39.56 | obsidieth | well. i was trying to get the device info and create my own remote |
| 10:40.05 | obsidieth | it was one model number at the end off, ill try another tv |
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| 10:42.21 | MohammadAG51 | tsk tsk tsk, who optifies a -dev package :) |
| 10:43.54 | alterego | builder4 broke? |
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| 10:48.24 | MohammadAG51 | meh, gparted failed to build :( |
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| 10:52.15 | alterego | MohammadAG: gnome deps? |
| 10:52.25 | MohammadAG | alterego, nope |
| 10:52.46 | MohammadAG | alterego, all deps satisfied, configure script goes well, make fails |
| 10:53.25 | alterego | Oh :( |
| 10:53.50 | alterego | Are you planning to hildonize it? :) |
| 10:54.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, how would I if the regular one doesn't build :) |
| 10:57.04 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://pastebin.com/wUX1eiuz |
| 10:59.15 | alterego | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler |
| 11:00.54 | alterego | looks like you might have the wrong version of something? |
| 11:01.36 | obsidieth | mm |
| 11:01.37 | obsidieth | works on one tv |
| 11:02.01 | Stskeeps | hm, cool: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/telepathy-ring |
| 11:02.07 | Stskeeps | they really do mean open source seriously |
| 11:02.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, well the debian/control file doesn't have versioned deps so :) |
| 11:04.13 | alterego | :/ |
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| 11:06.34 | alterego | There should be a kayboard shortcut to open a browser window. |
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| 11:07.05 | alterego | Also, has anyone had an issue where microb opens with juust location bar and stop button? |
| 11:09.40 | MohammadAG | and the blue 'bar' keeps moving, yeah |
| 11:10.05 | alterego | No, loads thepage fine, just those are the only widgets in the toolbar. |
| 11:10.12 | MohammadAG | happened to me once |
| 11:10.17 | haj | uhm .. say.. isn't the camera in the N900 supposed to auto rotate photos? |
| 11:10.41 | alterego | Hahah, "Apple releases advice on how to hold iPhone 4" pahahah |
| 11:10.56 | alterego | Admitting there's a problem is the first step :) |
| 11:11.02 | MohammadAG | e-yes, I checked out the boot.log file, it had some permission denied entries in it, who should the files be owned by? |
| 11:11.09 | MohammadAG | alterego, link? |
| 11:11.12 | haj | alterego: actually Jobs calls the users idiots... it seems.. :) |
| 11:11.20 | alterego | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm |
| 11:11.34 | haj | alterego: they'll buy it anyway, which proofs his point.. ;) |
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| 11:12.08 | Stskeeps | or hate lefties |
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| 11:12.32 | alterego | DIY iPhone: "Alternatively, said Apple, customers could buy a case to shield the antenna. " |
| 11:12.51 | haj | or another phone |
| 11:13.05 | Duckboot | I'm so glad I'll never ever gonna have _ANY_ product from Apple. |
| 11:13.18 | alterego | diyPhone :D |
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| 11:13.45 | nidO | us lefties never get any love :( |
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| 11:13.59 | MohammadAG | LOL Mr Jobs wrote that "All phones have sensitive areas". |
| 11:14.24 | zash | "a case to shield the antenna" .. wait what |
| 11:14.55 | jacekowski | well, if i grab my n900 in both hands |
| 11:15.07 | jacekowski | to cover everything on a back |
| 11:15.17 | nidO | i tried that yesterday, i couldnt get the signal to drop below full |
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| 11:15.30 | nidO | tried completely covering it from every way, signal bar stayed rock solid |
| 11:15.38 | MohammadAG | I've never had a signal drop on any phone tbh |
| 11:15.49 | nidO | me either, not appreciably |
| 11:16.02 | Duckboot | Jobs will never ever admit an error or design flaw. |
| 11:16.03 | chem|st | nidO: you think you do deserve it? |
| 11:16.04 | andre__ | anybody knows how to start the Clock app in maemo5 from the terminal? |
| 11:16.17 | nidO | chem|st: yes, im not evil :( |
| 11:16.46 | chem|st | hands a flower to nidO, left handed |
| 11:16.49 | jacekowski | nidO: i can |
| 11:16.52 | nidO | \o/ |
| 11:16.55 | jacekowski | nidO: if you grab it in both hands |
| 11:17.00 | jacekowski | nidO: i can make it go from 3g to 2g |
| 11:17.04 | SpeedEvil | It is extremely noticable for me when typing on the keyboard |
| 11:17.14 | SpeedEvil | the 3g signal can decrease by a lot |
| 11:17.16 | nidO | lemme try that, mine's forcibly stuck to 2g atm |
| 11:17.30 | jacekowski | well, 2g is different |
| 11:17.40 | jacekowski | so it's harder to affect it that much |
| 11:17.44 | alterego | I get issues in low signal areas like that, but that is too be expected tbh, sometimes the signal actually gets better when I hold it. |
| 11:17.47 | haj | MohammadAG: My old 9300i's never worked very well in GSM-900 areas.. |
| 11:17.48 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: true, gps and wifi can be irritated easily |
| 11:17.53 | chem|st | too.... |
| 11:17.56 | MohammadAG | andre__, hmm, sec |
| 11:17.58 | nidO | hm |
| 11:18.01 | alterego | Thye issue with the iPhone 4 is a manufacturing defect. |
| 11:18.07 | andre__ | MohammadAG, can't find the freaking name of it |
| 11:18.09 | nidO | if i completely shield the phone with both hands as best I can |
| 11:18.14 | nidO | I can get 3g to drop from 4 bars to 3 |
| 11:18.26 | chem|st | alterego: yea it's just dumb |
| 11:18.27 | alterego | Well, actually "it's really cool engineering" defect. |
| 11:18.58 | nidO | to put two antenna in a "short-them-on-each-other" position |
| 11:19.03 | nidO | neat. |
| 11:19.06 | chem|st | alterego: as I said in tmo, mac is doing the microsoft way of it's not a bug it's a feature fail |
| 11:19.11 | jacekowski | alterego: well, n900 had problems with usb port |
| 11:19.33 | MohammadAG | but that's a minority of devices jacekowski |
| 11:19.54 | nidO | some users not being careful enough with inherantly-fragile usb ports != all devices having a design flaw that lets the two antenna short on each other and fail |
| 11:19.58 | chem|st | jacekowski: that was what I wrote first on tmo, I just pull my device off the cord for 6 month now! |
| 11:20.21 | jacekowski | 7650 had problems with ribbon connecting keyboard and screen |
| 11:20.29 | alterego | jacekowski: sure, N900 has problems with software too. I phone doesn't even have USB, but if it did .... I'm sure it'd start downloading your brain to iTunes when you touched it in the wrong way :D |
| 11:20.57 | MohammadAG | andre__, LOL it's called worldclock for some reason |
| 11:21.01 | alterego | jacekowski: a lot of slides wear out that way. I had to fix an N95 the other day that had a fucked ribbon. |
| 11:21.27 | chem|st | the iPhone is a style gadget not something to work with, and I don't like those show-offs |
| 11:21.36 | nidO | main point really is though that yeah some devices have weaknesses in certain components that wear out a bit quicker than they should or whatever, but it's a pretty spectacular fuckup to make a phone that doesnt function as a phone when you're *shock* holding it. |
| 11:21.39 | jacekowski | well, n900 is a brick |
| 11:21.45 | jacekowski | brick shape |
| 11:21.46 | BCMM | do we have a z-machine? |
| 11:21.47 | jacekowski | brick size |
| 11:21.50 | jacekowski | brick weight |
| 11:21.53 | jacekowski | brick battery life |
| 11:21.59 | BCMM | i've alwats wanted handheld zork |
| 11:21.59 | alterego | nidO: exactly :) |
| 11:22.00 | jacekowski | battery life is the worst one |
| 11:22.02 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, k, we got it... |
| 11:22.09 | chem|st | jacekowski: a not true on the battery life |
| 11:22.17 | jacekowski | i want something that can last 3 days |
| 11:22.28 | alterego | jacekowski: we're all aware of your tard fanboiism for Steve's iPeenus :P |
| 11:22.29 | nidO | I want something like my e90 that could manage a week :( |
| 11:22.31 | andre__ | MohammadAG, garr. thanks |
| 11:22.32 | MohammadAG | buy 10 batteries |
| 11:22.33 | chem|st | jacekowski: just because you cannot handle it doesn't mean it is worse |
| 11:22.49 | jacekowski | i'm not saying it's worse |
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| 11:22.57 | MohammadAG | andre__, had to launch it and watch the output of top to see which process would spike :) and np |
| 11:23.05 | jacekowski | if everybody here would be saying how good iphone is |
| 11:23.12 | jacekowski | i would be on opposite side |
| 11:23.16 | chem|st | nidO: you exchange battery life with always on |
| 11:23.19 | jacekowski | to remind people about the problems |
| 11:23.29 | alterego | I'm still suprised he said customers could by the DIY insulation ... |
| 11:23.39 | andre__ | MohammadAG, oh, nice idea to find out. Hope I won't forget :) |
| 11:23.50 | jacekowski | but battery life is the biggest problem i had with n900 |
| 11:23.56 | nidO | my e90 was more always on than my n900, tbh. I could get 6 days out of that with bluetooth and wifi enabled, my n900 gives me 2 and a half ish, tops, with wifi disabled when not in use |
| 11:23.58 | jacekowski | and because it doesn't have standard usb connector |
| 11:24.02 | alterego | I would have tholught he'd give them away, but I guess he actually honestly thinks that insulating an antenna is work thirty fucking dollars ... |
| 11:24.06 | jacekowski | i can't charge it everywhere |
| 11:24.12 | chem|st | jacekowski: you had?! now it is gone? |
| 11:24.19 | chem|st | jacekowski: why not? |
| 11:24.24 | alterego | s/work/worth |
| 11:24.27 | jacekowski | well, mini usb is more common |
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| 11:24.48 | nidO | the most annoying part about the battery life is the fact that the n900's battery is plain 15% lower capacity than the 5-year-old design in the e90, despite being physically the same volume |
| 11:24.51 | mirf | I think the usb is a strange choice too |
| 11:24.59 | jacekowski | to get n900 cable( micro usb? ) i had to walk a lot |
| 11:25.09 | SpeedEvil | micro USB is required |
| 11:25.18 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 11:25.24 | mirf | but I like the little adaptor you get in the box for plugging it onto oldder nokia chargers... everyone has them |
| 11:25.31 | jaska | its also a fairly fragile connector.. compared to miniusb |
| 11:25.32 | chem|st | jacekowski: I bought 5 micro cables for 7eur |
| 11:25.33 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB |
| 11:25.36 | SpeedEvil | see that |
| 11:25.37 | SpeedEvil | top |
| 11:25.41 | alterego | nidO: E series are designed for a different purpose though. I'm not bothered by battery life, it's never going to be enough on any device. |
| 11:25.50 | nidO | was agreed like a year or two ago that all new phones have to use microusb now for charging |
| 11:25.57 | nidO | in the eu at least |
| 11:26.05 | SpeedEvil | nidO: And china |
| 11:26.06 | mirf | ahhh wicked |
| 11:26.08 | MohammadAG | damn EU, always brings problems to everyone |
| 11:26.14 | mirf | I thought they were goning to make mini the standard |
| 11:26.17 | mirf | but that's great |
| 11:26.23 | chem|st | alterego: true, I want my netbook to last 4 days like I get my n900 to |
| 11:26.25 | nidO | mini was abandoned very quickly because it's shite |
| 11:26.26 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: You'd really rather every phone has it's own charger? |
| 11:26.31 | nidO | far far more fragile than micro |
| 11:26.51 | alterego | MohammadAG: the micro usb is an issue for when I'm torrenting through my phone as modem :P |
| 11:26.56 | chem|st | I have to do the same with my netbook as I have to do with n900 |
| 11:27.03 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: thing is that why they went for micro not mini |
| 11:27.05 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, do Nokia chargers work with any MicroUSB device? |
| 11:27.05 | mirf | holy schism host mode usb! |
| 11:27.07 | Termana | nidO, you make it sound like it was an EU REQUIREMENT where as AFAIK, it was just a bunch of manufactures saying they will do it |
| 11:27.14 | Termana | Including Apple, and they don't do it |
| 11:27.29 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 11:27.41 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: they are 'normal' USB chargers with a microb plug |
| 11:27.52 | MohammadAG | microusb* |
| 11:27.58 | alterego | chem|st: netbooks, tablets will be awesome when they start building them with the kind of stuff we have in phones (like iPad) but then you'll end up paying more than we pay for phones. |
| 11:28.02 | nidO | Termana, it was an agreement between all the major manufactures including nokia who were one of the initial proponents of a charging standard, so yes they did have to do it on the n900 |
| 11:28.03 | chem|st | MohammadAG: micro B |
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| 11:28.07 | HtheB | o |
| 11:28.07 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 11:28.07 | alterego | Bigger screen, bigger batteries .. |
| 11:28.08 | HtheB | o/ |
| 11:28.09 | HtheB | jo guys |
| 11:28.33 | HtheB | is there anyone over here that can read (and translate) spanish for me? |
| 11:28.39 | jacekowski | yeah, bigger batteries |
| 11:28.40 | HtheB | Google translate > fail |
| 11:28.48 | chem|st | alterego: I manage to get 4 days out of my netbook if I hit standby any time I am not needing it |
| 11:28.54 | jacekowski | HtheB: well, i know somebody who speaks spanish |
| 11:29.02 | alterego | chem|st: I just use hibernate :) |
| 11:29.10 | jacekowski | HtheB: ask on ubuntu-es |
| 11:29.10 | chem|st | HtheB: link |
| 11:29.18 | Termana | HtheB, I can do better than Google Translate |
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| 11:29.26 | HtheB | http://conversaciones.nokia.com/2010/06/24/make-my-app-semana-final-y-juzgamos/ |
| 11:29.27 | Termana | All I have to do is bang the keyboard a few times |
| 11:29.32 | HtheB | what do they say about 3) |
| 11:29.33 | HtheB | ? |
| 11:29.51 | lcuk | BACON! |
| 11:30.24 | jacekowski | HtheB: i don't speak spanish at all |
| 11:30.29 | jacekowski | HtheB: and i can understand it |
| 11:30.45 | HtheB | ._. |
| 11:30.49 | alterego | I bet the issue with the iPhone 4 is, it just doesn't _like_ being touched. It wants to be put on a thrown under a spot light so every one can see it's shiney! |
| 11:30.56 | alterego | Don't touch me!!! |
| 11:30.57 | lcuk | frals trout with a MohammadAG |
| 11:31.06 | alterego | Yo'll grease up meh screen bro. |
| 11:31.15 | nidO | from the ease of shattering the backplate combined with the antenna problem, it would seem that way |
| 11:31.21 | MohammadAG | slaps lcuk with a trouty frals |
| 11:31.22 | jacekowski | HtheB: something that you proposed to use front camera to make photos of people that touched your phone |
| 11:31.25 | nidO | "touch me and ill either shatter or not work as a phone." |
| 11:31.30 | HtheB | yeahthats right |
| 11:31.31 | HtheB | but |
| 11:31.45 | HtheB | Lo bueno? (something good?) |
| 11:31.48 | HtheB | Lo malo |
| 11:31.53 | HtheB | lo extrano? O_o |
| 11:32.15 | Termana | iPhone 4 - I love how the Apple fanboys mocked the Nexus One's 3G issues, and now the iPhone has 3G issues. |
| 11:32.22 | jacekowski | HtheB: the good, the bad, the ugly |
| 11:32.23 | alterego | nidO: I thought it was funny how the fanboy spinners were saying it only shattered because it was an empty case. I wonder if they tried it with their own devices :) |
| 11:32.38 | jacekowski | HtheB: so called pros and cons in english |
| 11:32.39 | chem|st | HtheB: malo bad extra~no strange |
| 11:32.43 | nidO | well there've been several real users with their brand new phones shattering their backplates already |
| 11:32.46 | nidO | from drops of like |
| 11:32.47 | nidO | a foot |
| 11:32.58 | alterego | shit, |
| 11:33.12 | alterego | I thought it only happened in that tesst. |
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| 11:33.21 | HtheB | so, what is their opinion about it? XD |
| 11:33.29 | alterego | I have one question for Mr Joba though ..... "Will it blend"? |
| 11:33.36 | chem|st | HtheB: the pros and cons of taking a picture with frontcam to identify a person who found/stole your phone |
| 11:33.46 | TigerTael | ? |
| 11:34.00 | TigerTael | Use both front and rear cam |
| 11:34.06 | TigerTael | shrugs |
| 11:34.07 | nidO | alterego: im suprised that question hasnt been answered already tbh :( |
| 11:34.15 | nidO | we got the ipad answer like same day it was released |
| 11:34.30 | alterego | yeah |
| 11:34.48 | HtheB | thnx |
| 11:34.49 | HtheB | =) |
| 11:35.40 | chem|st | HtheB: that it is some kind of not useful as police does not have channels for it yet |
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| 11:36.32 | HtheB | i see |
| 11:36.33 | chem|st | good in terms of security measure, but they doubt that it will hold proof of concept |
| 11:36.33 | HtheB | hmm |
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| 11:37.49 | chem|st | HtheB: teh ugly part is about... hmm overdoing it |
| 11:38.37 | HtheB | google trans says sometihng about family and friends? |
| 11:38.39 | chem|st | lets say its something that can be abused in "big-brother" style |
| 11:38.47 | HtheB | ah |
| 11:38.48 | HtheB | hmm |
| 11:38.49 | HtheB | xD |
| 11:39.06 | alterego | Wow, the iPhone looks like pure evil once it's blended ... |
| 11:39.13 | mirf | ? |
| 11:39.17 | Termana | nidO, he isn't selling enough blenders to buy an iPhone 4 |
| 11:39.26 | HtheB | thnx chem|st ! |
| 11:39.28 | chem|st | my spanish is not that good but like watching friends and family not touching your device |
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| 11:40.51 | alterego | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06O5rejU3ZU |
| 11:40.53 | alterego | hahah |
| 11:40.55 | chem|st | HtheB: all three... the good the bad the ugly are normal statements that are known issues of security measures |
| 11:41.27 | nidO | oh neat, that doesnt seem to be on their own site yet :p |
| 11:42.00 | HtheB | heh :D |
| 11:42.03 | alterego | nid0 it's not real, but I don't know how I missed that :D |
| 11:42.04 | HtheB | lets hope that I will win :p |
| 11:42.19 | nidO | hm, hopefully its gonna get blended today then! |
| 11:42.32 | alterego | He said 25th I think |
| 11:42.36 | nidO | yeh |
| 11:42.36 | alterego | :( |
| 11:42.37 | nidO | today |
| 11:42.46 | alterego | Oh yeah!!! :D |
| 11:42.52 | chem|st | HtheB: the bad is also about quality of pictures |
| 11:42.55 | alterego | Don't taze me bro!!! |
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| 11:43.24 | chem|st | oh I put that wrong.. |
| 11:43.37 | HtheB | it could make bad quality |
| 11:43.53 | chem|st | HtheB: the bad is not about missing channels of the police but about if it is of any use for the police to find your phone |
| 11:43.55 | HtheB | its not sure it will make good pictures of the oent hat uses the phone |
| 11:44.07 | HtheB | yeah, I got that part :) |
| 11:44.12 | HtheB | well... |
| 11:44.15 | HtheB | lets hope for it :D |
| 11:44.17 | HtheB | 2 days left!!!! |
| 11:44.18 | HtheB | :D |
| 11:44.28 | HtheB | http://217.149.58.248/campaign/app?shared=1274744642 |
| 11:44.39 | HtheB | over 59.000 people likes the idea |
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| 11:45.29 | HtheB | this is the shortlisted link: http://217.149.58.248/campaign/useful-apps?sortby=shortlisted |
| 11:45.50 | HtheB | see the differences between the facebook "I like this" stuff :p |
| 11:45.51 | HtheB | haha |
| 11:46.02 | HtheB | well.. ill bbl now. |
| 11:46.05 | HtheB | thanks again chem|st ! |
| 11:47.27 | chem|st | HtheB: I like the idea but I think that pictures aren't the best idea, the best idea would be that the phone starts to hand out all stats every 5 minutes per email/cloak-sms (not visible in conversations), like GPS, HotSpots in range, phone number and ID of simcard and so on |
| 11:48.47 | chem|st | should be triggered somehow so it doesn't do it if the phone is not missing |
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| 11:56.06 | jacekowski | well, probably first thing thath thief would do is restore the phone |
| 11:56.14 | jacekowski | so anything in software is not going to work |
| 11:56.44 | jacekowski | kernel modification + playing with bootloader so kernel can't be changed would be better idea |
| 11:56.53 | jacekowski | but it's still something that's not100% reliable |
| 11:57.03 | jacekowski | and besides |
| 11:57.39 | chem|st | jacekowski: deaktivating the flash functions, so it can't be flashed is some kind of... you know |
| 11:57.39 | jacekowski | in england for example al banks give you phone insurance/travel insurance/lot of usefull stuff for free with your account |
| 11:57.50 | jacekowski | chem|st: not deactivating |
| 11:57.56 | jacekowski | chem|st: it would pretend that it's flashing |
| 11:58.03 | jacekowski | chem|st: but it would leave kernel intact |
| 11:58.25 | jacekowski | chem|st: and everything would be in kernel |
| 11:58.30 | Lullen | anyone here listen to hardstyle/hardcore? :D |
| 11:58.40 | jacekowski | does hardcore porn counts? |
| 11:58.45 | Lullen | haha no :( |
| 11:58.51 | chem|st | changing the key you have to press is an idea that comes with it, the standard key pretends the other does flash |
| 11:59.04 | chem|st | Lullen: not atm |
| 12:00.03 | Lullen | chem|st so you like it? I need new music : ( |
| 12:00.25 | jacekowski | Lullen: tastekid.com |
| 12:00.28 | jacekowski | Lullen: last.fm |
| 12:00.49 | Lullen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWAv2PF1xI&feature=related |
| 12:00.50 | Lullen | :D |
| 12:00.51 | chem|st | Lullen: there is a place called store they have that many vinyls they sell them |
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| 12:01.09 | Lullen | stores?! I think you are kidding :) |
| 12:01.21 | Lullen | I have never been in a music store in my whole life |
| 12:01.39 | jacekowski | where do you get your music? |
| 12:01.50 | Lullen | piratebay? :) |
| 12:01.54 | chem|st | Lullen: I own some of those old things and like it |
| 12:02.03 | jacekowski | Lullen: that's fucking theft |
| 12:02.09 | jacekowski | Lullen: and nobody here supports it |
| 12:02.14 | jacekowski | Lullen: you want it - pay or don't use it |
| 12:02.21 | chem|st | Lullen: that's where I get nothing but hardcore pr0n |
| 12:02.37 | jacekowski | Lullen: if you don't think it's worth they price they are asking for - don't pay for it - don't use it |
| 12:02.53 | Lullen | jacekowski, I did not say I want any links to torrent sites or something, I just want to discuss music :) |
| 12:03.10 | jacekowski | music you have not paid for |
| 12:03.14 | Termana | jacekowski, alternatively, use iTunes |
| 12:03.14 | jacekowski | or contributed in any way |
| 12:03.16 | Termana | wait... |
| 12:03.18 | Termana | :P |
| 12:03.23 | jacekowski | Termana: oh no |
| 12:03.23 | Lullen | and second I will never pay for it, I pay for conserts |
| 12:03.28 | jacekowski | Termana: you sad the "i" word |
| 12:03.29 | Termana | Kidding, there is Amazon MP3 |
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| 12:03.47 | jacekowski | Termana: you will be iRaped |
| 12:03.50 | Termana | Also, |
| 12:04.14 | jacekowski | besides, dinner time |
| 12:04.18 | Lullen | okey |
| 12:04.19 | Termana | chem|st, lol - vinyls? |
| 12:04.21 | Lullen | by |
| 12:04.32 | the_lord | Hi! is there any known problem with the n900 ovi store? |
| 12:04.42 | jacekowski | the_lord: lot of them |
| 12:04.44 | Termana | I've been in music stores, but never any that have records, only CDs. |
| 12:04.53 | Lullen | why is everyone against downloading mp3s? I have never met anyone that bought a cd in the last 5years :P |
| 12:05.09 | the_lord | jacekowski, one so evil that tells me that my phone is not compatible? |
| 12:05.13 | Lullen | and now there is spotify... |
| 12:05.34 | Termana | Lullen, no one said they were against downloading mp3s. We're against illegally downloading mp3s |
| 12:05.43 | chem|st | Termana: hell yeah |
| 12:05.47 | jacekowski | the_lord: you have to select n900 |
| 12:06.18 | wazd | Stskeeps: moo :) |
| 12:06.27 | Lullen | termana, for me its the same as I have only found 1 song that is legal to download |
| 12:06.29 | the_lord | jacekowski, if I enter the ovi store using my phone browser, it tells me that the phone is not compatible |
| 12:06.30 | wazd | Stskeeps: I've sent you my details to your gmail inbox |
| 12:06.47 | pahartik | refuses to use "MPEG audio layer 3" |
| 12:06.48 | Stskeeps | wazd: ah, finally |
| 12:06.51 | wazd | hello righthanded losers :D |
| 12:06.53 | Termana | Lullen, have you not heard of Amazon? no? Surely iTunes? |
| 12:06.58 | Termana | pahartik, ogg man |
| 12:07.03 | chem|st | Termana: some got little paper snippets in the box with codes to download the mp3s, one is reading "Because it is the hell of an effort to rip vinyls to mp3 or flac properly we thought this is useful" |
| 12:07.06 | Termana | pahartik, fight the power |
| 12:07.14 | Termana | pahartik, fight the oppressive man |
| 12:07.38 | Termana | chem|st, lol |
| 12:08.04 | pahartik | Termana: Well, that and "MPEG-4 AAC" |
| 12:08.05 | chem|st | Termana: I like to have hardware in my hands |
| 12:08.06 | Lullen | Termana, why pay for it when you can get it for free? The artists wont get much money anyways... Thats why I can go to the other side of the globe to see a consert |
| 12:09.10 | wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, my sister will drive me mad one day |
| 12:09.58 | chem|st | Lullen: it is not for free, as soon as you ripped them of for +20k eur it is avenged with 2-5 years jail |
| 12:10.12 | dotblank | Lullen, you would like my app then |
| 12:10.36 | Termana | dotblank, Grooveshark app? |
| 12:10.36 | Lullen | dotblank, I like grooveshark :) |
| 12:10.54 | dotblank | yup |
| 12:10.55 | mirf | grooveshark is great! |
| 12:11.06 | Lullen | chem|st I can not get caught anyhow as my internet provider deletes all info about me :) |
| 12:11.23 | mirf | woah Lullen which isp? |
| 12:11.29 | Lullen | bahnhof |
| 12:11.36 | Lullen | its swedish |
| 12:11.37 | chem|st | Lullen: they do not care about your internet provider |
| 12:11.42 | Termana | Lullen, not getting caught doesn't mean its good |
| 12:12.03 | chem|st | Termana: that's the point |
| 12:12.08 | Lullen | chem|st you need to know the swedish laws. |
| 12:12.37 | chem|st | you got no law for property theft? |
| 12:12.49 | Lullen | Termana: the system should be changed... Like 30% of the swedes download illegal stuff |
| 12:12.57 | wazd | I wonder how apple will solve that problem, since the design is pretty much based on that antenna thing |
| 12:13.06 | Lullen | We do but the music labels can not get my names |
| 12:13.22 | Stskeeps | wazd: make users operate the device using their butt |
| 12:13.28 | Termana | wazd, I don't think you can "fix" it - I mean, its how they built it |
| 12:13.30 | Lullen | as they need to go to court and as my provider deletes my info there is nothing they can find |
| 12:13.42 | Termana | wazd, I know how the made the mistake though |
| 12:13.46 | wazd | Termana: yeah, that's what I think too :) |
| 12:13.48 | Termana | I have inside information |
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| 12:14.42 | Termana | wazd, Steve Jobs, in his infinite godism, was testing it by making it levitate in the air. Therefore he never found out that holding it made it lose signal |
| 12:14.47 | wazd | Stskeeps: butt is already busy with vuvuzella :D |
| 12:14.54 | Lullen | But really I could pay 10-20 euro a month to be able to download everything I wanted... |
| 12:15.00 | wazd | Termana: oh |
| 12:15.06 | wazd | Termana: that makes sense :D |
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| 12:15.48 | wazd | Termana: that also explains the glass back :) |
| 12:16.17 | wazd | and he was dare to compare it to old Leica camera |
| 12:17.18 | Termana | wazd, :D also - word has it that you have not been doing your daily worship of the Jobs, by facing Cupertino and praying, 5 times daily. |
| 12:17.41 | Termana | You devil. |
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| 12:42.09 | the_lord | jacekowski, it was the phone language |
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| 13:00.59 | cehteh | anyone of you uses mobilehotspot? i dont get a dhcp offer |
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| 13:03.55 | ham5 | cant manually set ips? |
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| 13:07.11 | tybollt | olrite |
| 13:07.23 | tybollt | maker of the micro usb connector needs a headshot |
| 13:07.25 | tybollt | srsly |
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| 13:09.37 | BCMM | what's the name of that package which can create buttons to launch arbitrary commands? |
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| 13:12.13 | Lilly | game swf run low :( are there soluction? |
| 13:12.56 | lcuk | hold device higher up |
| 13:13.24 | Venemo | just out of curiosity |
| 13:13.37 | Venemo | what do you think, how many percent of people know what is a browser? |
| 13:13.57 | Lilly | 50% |
| 13:14.03 | Lilly | ? |
| 13:14.39 | pahartik | Venemo: Define "people" |
| 13:14.52 | dotblank | I think 25% |
| 13:14.54 | andre__ | less. |
| 13:15.10 | BCMM | yeah, define people |
| 13:15.11 | alterego | SpeedEvil: thanks for your bug report :) |
| 13:15.11 | dotblank | ok by world population maybe 10% |
| 13:15.19 | Venemo | pahartik: if you go to a public square and ask the question "what is a browser?", how many people would know the answer? |
| 13:15.24 | alterego | SpeedEvil: you were slightly too late though, as I just uploaded 0.3 for testing. |
| 13:15.27 | Venemo | for example, on the Time Square |
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| 13:15.45 | andre__ | I remember explaining to a friend that s/he can install another program than the default MSIE on her machine to view internet websites. |
| 13:15.47 | BCMM | "english-speaker with an internet connection" is the interesting one |
| 13:15.57 | alterego | SpeedEvil: anyhow, I've modified the config loading for the daemon process as you suggested, will upload 0.4 later once enough people have tested 0.3 :) |
| 13:16.02 | Venemo | nah, what are your estimated? |
| 13:16.08 | Venemo | nah, what are your estimates? |
| 13:16.16 | SpeedEvil | alterego: np |
| 13:16.40 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I should have gotten round to testing it faster. :) |
| 13:17.36 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I don't have a well-organised queue - I just tend to go to the qa list, install 25 things, and then test them at random. |
| 13:17.36 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=728915#post728915 |
| 13:17.36 | Venemo | the truth is, less than 8% of people knew |
| 13:17.36 | Venemo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ |
| 13:18.03 | lbt_ | Stskeeps: he's not around today. personal day |
| 13:18.03 | obsidieth | is there any other media players out? |
| 13:18.07 | Stskeeps | lbt_: ah, ok |
| 13:18.35 | SpeedEvil | obsidieth: A few |
| 13:18.39 | lbt_ | unless that was yesterday... |
| 13:18.41 | pahartik | Venemo: Without knowing what HTTP and HTML are, concept of HTML browser is unreachable |
| 13:18.44 | SpeedEvil | obsidieth: I recall symphonie, and some other |
| 13:18.54 | SpeedEvil | parasight: of course it's not. |
| 13:19.03 | SpeedEvil | parasight: 'it's the program you acess the web with' |
| 13:19.39 | Venemo | pahartik: you don't need to know anything about HTTP nor HTML to understand what a website or a web browser is |
| 13:20.09 | mortini | do schools still teach 'the internet' as 'how to design a web page'? |
| 13:20.11 | SpeedEvil | Indeed, you can build websites with no http or html |
| 13:20.26 | mortini | er, 'how to write html.' |
| 13:20.28 | zash | SpeedEvil: xml and ftp? |
| 13:20.29 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: this is about the visitors, not the builders of websites |
| 13:20.30 | lbt_ | SpeedEvil: yup.... gimme $5000 and I give you a website :) |
| 13:20.38 | SpeedEvil | zash: yep |
| 13:20.41 | SpeedEvil | or flash |
| 13:20.50 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: I know |
| 13:21.08 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: I'm just saying that knowing http is pointless. As ftp can be a functional equivalent. |
| 13:21.19 | obsidieth | any recommendation SpeedEvil? |
| 13:21.21 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: true |
| 13:21.21 | obsidieth | ill check some out |
| 13:21.22 | pyther | Can someone tell me how to see/view missed calls? |
| 13:21.27 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: As is knowing http without just understanding that tehre are many ways to layout pages |
| 13:21.41 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: still, the 8% number scared me really |
| 13:21.48 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 13:22.06 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: watch the video |
| 13:22.09 | SpeedEvil | You have to understand fundamentally that people don't have time for boring shit. |
| 13:22.15 | alterego | Venemo: that's pretty awesome. |
| 13:22.17 | SpeedEvil | Even if we think it's interesting. |
| 13:23.06 | Trizt | do someone know if the language in qtify is hard coded? |
| 13:23.21 | SpeedEvil | Many people use their effort to learn vastly more important things, like how to pole-dance, or how to strip and rebuild a rabbit in 23 seconds. |
| 13:23.39 | Rabidus | damn highlights |
| 13:24.19 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: what amazes me most about this is that people use a browser in their daily lives without knowing what it is |
| 13:24.20 | SpeedEvil | Why do you have pole-dance on highlight? |
| 13:24.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:24.28 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: no, they don't. |
| 13:24.33 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: They know what it is. |
| 13:24.44 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: They don't have a term for it. The two are very differnet. |
| 13:24.54 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: huh, good point |
| 13:25.47 | SpeedEvil | For example - if you asked them about another program that does the same thing as internet explorer, they might well answer firefox/... - even though they can't answer the browser question. |
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| 13:26.35 | pahartik | SpeedEvil: Those persons mostly call it "internet", not "browser" |
| 13:26.38 | nidO | for the layman, the advantage of internet explorer is the fact that it's very name tells you what it does |
| 13:26.42 | nidO | no other browsers do so. |
| 13:26.45 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 13:27.16 | Venemo | nidO: true :) |
| 13:29.58 | alterego | SpeedEvil: anyhow, 0.3 is in testing now, rather than vote on it, just test it and any issues I'll fix in 0.4 which will be the stable release :) |
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| 13:31.23 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:31.26 | SpeedEvil | Will do. |
| 13:31.44 | script | has anyone made any ipv6-experiences with the -power-kernel? |
| 13:31.51 | SpeedEvil | wonders why his phones internet has fallen over. |
| 13:31.57 | chem|st | script: you again.... |
| 13:32.02 | script | chem|st: :D |
| 13:32.13 | nidO | SpeedEvil - you didnt... touch it, did you?! |
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| 13:34.29 | nas_ | where can I see what program starts every time I start my n900 ? |
| 13:36.26 | BCMM | ps |
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| 13:36.57 | BCMM | run ps right after boot |
| 13:37.05 | nas_ | :) |
| 13:37.09 | nas_ | thanks , I allready did that |
| 13:37.27 | nas_ | I would like to see the programs that start every time I boot my n900 |
| 13:37.32 | BCMM | is there a way to make a desktop button that launches an arbitrary command? |
| 13:37.35 | nas_ | is there any config file ? |
| 13:37.43 | alterego | nas_: you can look into the upstart directory, that will show you all the scripts configured to run on startup |
| 13:37.53 | nas_ | I think it is allready done , check extras / devel |
| 13:37.53 | BCMM | nas_: but ps shows you that... |
| 13:38.10 | BCMM | i don't know what it is called |
| 13:38.16 | chem|st | nas_: rc.x |
| 13:38.22 | nas_ | on /etc ? |
| 13:38.39 | alterego | chem|st: that doesn't work, maemo uses upstart like ubuntu, not sysinit |
| 13:38.53 | nas_ | BCMM: I would like also to disable some of theese |
| 13:39.19 | chem|st | well both doesn't it? |
| 13:39.27 | BCMM | i have disabled upstart scripts on maemo |
| 13:39.29 | alterego | No |
| 13:39.37 | BCMM | can't remember how though |
| 13:39.55 | nas_ | where can I find upstart ? it wasn't in /etc ... |
| 13:39.56 | BCMM | i set it up so ssh needs to be started manually |
| 13:41.17 | nidO | upstart's generally in /etc/event.d isnt it? |
| 13:41.26 | nidO | < much more familiar with sysinit though |
| 13:41.51 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: queen-beecon |
| 13:42.16 | nidO | yep, upstart scripts are in /etc/event.d |
| 13:42.41 | nas_ | 93 scripts ... |
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| 13:47.31 | alterego | Where's the sys entry for the battery on the N900? |
| 13:47.45 | SpeedEvil | there isn't one |
| 13:47.48 | SpeedEvil | by default |
| 13:48.13 | alterego | Oh, is there anything that will give me a value in relation to that by default? |
| 13:48.25 | SpeedEvil | install the 'power kerenl' then modprobe bq27x00_battery - and there is a semi-ok driver. |
| 13:48.33 | alterego | Urgh |
| 13:48.35 | SpeedEvil | sorry - what are you trying to figure out? |
| 13:48.49 | alterego | I'm not installing a stom kernel :P |
| 13:49.19 | alterego | Oh, basically, whilst tethered to my N900 (via USB) and using Transmission, the phone loses charge rather than charging. |
| 13:49.29 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:49.35 | alterego | Obviously the handset thinks it's charging, so I want to know the exact status. |
| 13:49.36 | cehteh | could happen |
| 13:49.43 | SpeedEvil | yes, that's to be expected |
| 13:50.05 | cehteh | the phone can suck more power than usb can provide |
| 13:50.10 | SpeedEvil | The cellphone can draw lots more power than ... |
| 13:50.23 | alterego | So, I have no way to know how much battery I have, and at somepoint probably in the next hour, my phone will dia and restaert :) |
| 13:50.38 | cehteh | exactly :P |
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| 13:51.06 | SpeedEvil | alterego: See http://qkwv.com/bat.jpg |
| 13:51.07 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 13:51.08 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 13:51.12 | SpeedEvil | wrong completion, sorry |
| 13:51.18 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:51.26 | cehteh | well if you dont transmit data all the time it should charge more or less sloly |
| 13:51.50 | cehteh | lol |
| 13:52.11 | alterego | Oh, it's fine charging when I'm just browsing etc. |
| 13:52.25 | alterego | Just hammering it with torrents tends to kill it. |
| 13:52.35 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz |
| 13:52.52 | SpeedEvil | The above script outputs lines like: |
| 13:52.53 | alterego | Basically, I want to know the battery, so I can pause the torrent for a while and then resume it once the battery has recovered :) |
| 13:53.10 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.11 | SpeedEvil | 14:52 4000 70 70 278 853 853 853 117 65535 313 0 |
| 13:53.19 | alterego | Noice |
| 13:54.09 | SpeedEvil | The intereesting parts are - mv - curent voltage - 4V in this case. *SOC = state of charge in %. mA - current charge rate in mA. CAC* - current available capacity - TTF/TTE - mins till full/empty |
| 13:54.09 | obsidieth | oh my. |
| 13:54.34 | alterego | This is my one problem with USB charging, you can't plug in a separate charger whilst tethered. Also, would be nice if a powered hub would fix the issue, but I doubt that'll improve things at all. |
| 13:54.37 | SpeedEvil | that is with the -r switch |
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| 13:55.04 | SpeedEvil | alterego: All you need is a way to tell bme to charge at full rate, even with a hub, and it would just work |
| 13:55.07 | SpeedEvil | but - ... |
| 13:55.15 | SpeedEvil | (or some alternate tether) |
| 13:55.16 | alterego | :) |
| 13:55.41 | alterego | Well, I think if I force it to charge at full rate, it might get a bit too hot, it's already cooking when I use it heavily like this. |
| 13:56.17 | SpeedEvil | Opening out the keyboard will make it slightly better at radiating heat |
| 13:56.32 | alterego | That's a good point, I should have thought of that myselkf :) |
| 13:56.41 | nidO | um, bme or not, an unpowered hub isnt going to be able to charge at full rate surely |
| 13:56.46 | SpeedEvil | As will dipping it in cold lemon juice. |
| 13:56.49 | alterego | I tried putting it in a fridge, but it screws with my signal :) |
| 13:56.50 | SpeedEvil | nidO: powered |
| 13:57.07 | alterego | nidO: obviously I meant a powered hub :P |
| 13:57.22 | alterego | I may have omitted that fact though, I thought it would have been obvious :P |
| 13:58.07 | nidO | i must have read badly, you mentioned that it'd be nice if a powered hub would fix it and SpeedEvil said that you just need bme to charge at full rate |
| 13:58.13 | nidO | as though the powered hub wasnt neccesary |
| 13:58.49 | alterego | nidO: well, that might also be the case, if my computer can supply enough power and not fry it's internals. |
| 13:58.55 | SpeedEvil | BME won't of course do this - as it's closed source. |
| 13:59.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:59.21 | SpeedEvil | There may be a prototype BME replacement coming soon. |
| 13:59.23 | nidO | an unpowered hub wont be able to supply more than 500mA regardless though |
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| 13:59.44 | SpeedEvil | It's not really that simple. |
| 13:59.57 | SpeedEvil | Few USB hosts actually limit current to 500mA |
| 14:00.28 | nidO | I was under the impression any certified host had to be limited to 5 unit loads under the usb2 spec |
| 14:00.31 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i thought for certification of usb the limit had to be tested and confirmed? |
| 14:00.51 | lcuk | tips hat at nidO |
| 14:00.57 | nidO | nods |
| 14:01.18 | alterego | I thought it just had to supply the correct amount, that it wasn't a limiting factor. |
| 14:01.34 | alterego | But I don't know too much about certification of USB :P |
| 14:01.49 | alterego | SpeedEvil: anyhow, thanks a lot for those scripts, I'm glad I didn't have to install a new kernel :P |
| 14:01.54 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: no - it just has to supply not more than (IIRC) 2A. |
| 14:01.57 | nidO | the spec defines a usb2 unit load as 100mA with a max of 5 units, and 150mA with a max of 6 units for usb3 |
| 14:01.59 | lcuk | well the usb spec specifies that a decide will supply 500ma at max doesnt it |
| 14:02.07 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: and at least 500mA |
| 14:02.26 | lcuk | is it at least? i thought that was an upper bound not a lower |
| 14:02.27 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Supplying 1.5A won't break the spec at all. |
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| 14:02.38 | SpeedEvil | It must supply no less than 500mA |
| 14:02.42 | lcuk | learns something if thats the case |
| 14:02.46 | SpeedEvil | and no more than 2A. |
| 14:02.54 | SpeedEvil | Or something like that. |
| 14:02.58 | SpeedEvil | The load draws what it needs. |
| 14:03.00 | lcuk | reasonable enough |
| 14:03.17 | SpeedEvil | Same as if you have a table that can support 400Kg, it doesn't mean if you sit on it, you weigh 400Kg |
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| 14:03.34 | alterego | Yeah, that's what I thought :) |
| 14:03.47 | alterego | Just like OTG needs to supply at least 200mA :P |
| 14:04.00 | SpeedEvil | In some modes - it's complex. |
| 14:04.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:04.06 | SpeedEvil | IIRC in some modes it's as low as 0.6mA |
| 14:04.08 | alterego | Yes, I know. |
| 14:04.19 | pyther | Is anyone using callnotify? |
| 14:04.23 | alterego | SpeedEvil: sweet, yopur script updates! |
| 14:04.25 | pyther | I can't seem to find out how to start it |
| 14:04.27 | alterego | I thought it was run once :D |
| 14:04.30 | SpeedEvil | pyther: i did for a little bit |
| 14:04.49 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I can pipe that straight into rrdtool :P |
| 14:04.54 | pyther | SpeedEvil: whas there an app icon or how did you start it? |
| 14:05.02 | SpeedEvil | alterego: It's not mine. it's ShadowJK's. or maybe not. It's someones beginning with s |
| 14:05.05 | SpeedEvil | pyther: There is no icon |
| 14:05.12 | alterego | SpeedEvil: cool :) |
| 14:05.26 | SpeedEvil | pyther: it's a toolbar icon that appears when there is new mail/sms |
| 14:05.36 | SpeedEvil | pyther: IIRC there is a thingy in settings |
| 14:06.25 | alterego | SpeedEvil: though I'm not sure I believe this for TTE "65535" :P |
| 14:06.46 | alterego | Prtesumably that's how it's set whilst charging, also, that should probably be -1 .. |
| 14:06.49 | SpeedEvil | alterego: That's when it's discharging consistently - that means 'not emptying' |
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| 14:07.36 | alterego | resumes his torrent to see what happens :) |
| 14:07.53 | pyther | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 14:07.56 | alterego | Oh my .. |
| 14:08.32 | alterego | Well, that makes sense .. |
| 14:08.50 | alterego | SpeedEvil: http://pastie.org/ |
| 14:09.04 | alterego | I suppose that explains how bad my drainage really is ;) |
| 14:09.46 | alterego | turns off backlight |
| 14:09.46 | Stskeeps | dotblank: so it is basically mp3 streaming from grooveshark or? |
| 14:10.29 | alterego | Backlight makes a lot of difference .. |
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| 14:11.34 | Stskeeps | dotblank: i'd pay 50 eur in bounty for the 'download to my music folder while playing' feature :) |
| 14:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: script updates? |
| 14:12.05 | dotblank | Stskeeps, well you can very very easily modify the source to save mp3s instead |
| 14:12.16 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: the bme monitoring script SpeedEvil just provided me with |
| 14:12.25 | Stskeeps | dotblank: i'm crap at qt and i have other things to accomplish, so i'm lazy :P |
| 14:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | umm, URL here? missed that |
| 14:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | are you talking about ShadowJK's bq27200 script? |
| 14:13.18 | dotblank | Stskeeps, ah well Im going to have to add the save mp3 feature in order to get playlist support and any experiance out of using it on 3g |
| 14:13.29 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 14:13.31 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: yes I believe so |
| 14:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, yes |
| 14:13.46 | Stskeeps | dotblank: let me know when you set up a donation fund :) really liking this app |
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| 14:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's quite handy esp in -r mode |
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| 14:14.20 | dotblank | Stskeeps, you're using it now? |
| 14:14.22 | Stskeeps | dotblank: yeah |
| 14:14.26 | dotblank | :) |
| 14:14.26 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: that's whaqt I'm using, thinking of piping it into rrdtool |
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| 14:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that is |
| 14:14.48 | Stskeeps | dotblank: i often have to be offline and i'm crap at synchronising music to my device |
| 14:15.30 | Corsac | which app? |
| 14:15.41 | dotblank | Corsac, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52857 |
| 14:16.35 | dotblank | I had a working download progress bar... but I had to take it out for the upcoming playlist support and I have to redesign it |
| 14:16.41 | dotblank | what I would reallt like to do |
| 14:16.48 | dotblank | is intergrate it with last.fm |
| 14:16.55 | alterego | Interesting at the moment it claims to be charging .. |
| 14:17.07 | dotblank | and you can click on tracks your friends have listened to and searches via my app for the song |
| 14:17.35 | Stskeeps | wonders if this works on diablo |
| 14:17.52 | dotblank | it requires libqt4.6 |
| 14:17.56 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 14:18.38 | dotblank | Stskeeps, let me know if it crashes |
| 14:19.04 | Stskeeps | so far nt |
| 14:19.05 | Stskeeps | not |
| 14:19.50 | dotblank | I tried reducing the memory used too... but without caching yet I would not recommend using it without wifi |
| 14:20.13 | dotblank | also I think I can make the ui perform a little better during downloads |
| 14:20.38 | dotblank | I have too many if calls in progress update |
| 14:21.04 | dotblank | too my knowledge tho this is the first example of phonon working with a stream QNetworkReply |
| 14:21.57 | Termana | dotblank, just out of interest, any word on weather Grooveshark (dis)approves of you doing this? |
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| 14:22.09 | dotblank | Termana, no idea |
| 14:22.13 | Termana | After all, I know on the iPhone, they sell the app after a trial |
| 14:22.37 | dotblank | Termana, you should buy the premium membership just to be nice |
| 14:22.59 | dotblank | because my app has no adds, mobile and requires no login |
| 14:23.09 | dotblank | very rogue |
| 14:23.47 | Termana | I don't have an n900 yet, so I can't use your app yet. But you can bet it will be one of the first apps I install :P |
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| 14:23.58 | dotblank | Termana, I have a build on ubuntu |
| 14:24.05 | dotblank | its in my ppa |
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| 14:24.15 | dotblank | its an older version tho |
| 14:24.27 | dotblank | but it does feel much more snappy |
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| 14:25.10 | n900-1 | hey everyone |
| 14:25.32 | n900-1 | i want to ask, is the n900 emulator included with the nokia qt sdk 1.0 for windows ? |
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| 14:26.04 | nidO | yep |
| 14:27.02 | n900-1 | how do I run it ? |
| 14:30.26 | n900-1 | i'm reading this now lets see |
| 14:30.26 | n900-1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QEMU_runtime |
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| 14:38.35 | n900-1 | yes that page had the answer |
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| 14:39.04 | tripzero | so after uploading a package to autobuilder, is there anyway to know if it worked? |
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| 14:39.33 | Corsac | there's a mailing list which does some report, but I can't remember the address |
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| 14:40.38 | loufoque_ | Termana: the N900 is no iPhone |
| 14:41.09 | Termana | loufoque_, that has nothing to do with anything |
| 14:41.10 | Alcohol17646 | N900 Îî |
| 14:41.27 | Alcohol17646 | How many costs? |
| 14:41.31 | Stskeeps | Corsac: extras cauldron |
| 14:41.42 | tripzero | can has obs for maemo yet? |
| 14:41.51 | loufoque_ | tripzero: obs? |
| 14:42.08 | tripzero | it's a build server thingy |
| 14:42.28 | Termana | loufoque_, Grooveshark makes you sign up for a premium account with their iPhone app. You don't need to with dotblank's N900 app |
| 14:42.52 | Termana | I was stating that, Grooveshark may not be happy about that |
| 14:43.37 | loufoque_ | grooveshark wrote the application for the iphone themselves and chose to implement this limitation |
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| 14:44.38 | kwtm | Hi. Is there bcrypt (or another handy text encryption program) for N900? |
| 14:45.02 | nidO | truecrypt's in extras |
| 14:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: what means "it claims to be charging"? |
| 14:45.24 | crashanddie | Alcohol17646: I really hope you're ready to be banned. BEHAVE! |
| 14:47.28 | loufoque_ | Alcohol17646: about the price of a phone |
| 14:47.51 | Termana | loufoque_, Are you just acting stupid or are you naturally that way? If Grooveshark wants iPhone users to sign up for premium membership, it would be fair to say they would want this from other mobile device users. If they find out that this isn't the case on the n900, they could block the app from using the service. |
| 14:48.14 | dotblank | Termana, untill someone finds a way to unblock it |
| 14:48.25 | dotblank | Termana, the phone appears as a flash client |
| 14:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: RFC5508 ? |
| 14:48.34 | loufoque_ | Termana: this doesn't make sense. A mobile device is no different than a laptop. |
| 14:48.35 | Stskeeps | Termana: technically people can use the flash app directly on n900 as well though |
| 14:48.44 | kwtm | nidO: I think you're referring to disk encryption for "truecrypt". I would like to encrypt a text file, and decrypt it when I access it (something like "bcrypt --decrypt $1 $1.decrypted && vi $1.decrypted && bcrypt --encrypt $1.decrypted $1" or something) |
| 14:48.58 | pupnik_ | n900 kicks iphone ass so badly they are not comparable |
| 14:49.00 | loufoque_ | Termana: the protocol is there, the application is just using it |
| 14:49.03 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: something like that |
| 14:49.32 | loufoque_ | if they don't want people to use it from a mobile phone, they should make it part of the EULA |
| 14:49.41 | loufoque_ | and that wouldn't be enforceable anyway |
| 14:50.01 | nidO | kwtm: you can essentially do that with truecrypt. granted, itll store encrypted files in a container disk, but you can happily setup a container to store a single file, rather than using the whole-disk encryption on the entire filesystem |
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| 14:50.15 | crashanddie | loufoque_: anything is enforceable |
| 14:50.37 | kwtm | pupnik_: Hey, I want to ask how n900 is better than iPhone on the tech specs. I already told my friend about the advantages of: not locked to a mobile carrier, not locked to an app store, etc. but I want to be able to promote it on technical merits, too. |
| 14:50.43 | kwtm | nidO: Hmm, could try that. Thanks. |
| 14:50.58 | nidO | compared to a 3gs, or a 4? |
| 14:50.59 | crashanddie | kwtm: you're starting a trollfest |
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| 14:51.16 | kwtm | crashanddie: Okay. Cancel request for iPhone vs. n900. Cancel cancel. Thx. |
| 14:51.29 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: not really. If I make you sign a contract that says you agree to be my slave for life, I cannot expect court to actually enforce this. |
| 14:51.32 | Termana | I don't think you understand. If Grooveshark don't want it to work, they will find a way to try to make it not work. In some cases, Grooveshark could sue. The whole argument stemmed from weather dotblank knew weather Grooveshark approved of his app, and any trademarks used in it. Say like the Grooveshark name? |
| 14:51.41 | pupnik_ | yes i apologize for my comment. if you want a toy get iphone |
| 14:52.04 | dotblank | Termana, you are right.. they could implement ways to detect it |
| 14:52.08 | nidO | on the pure technical side, it's pretty easy. n900 v iphone 4, the iphone lacks a physical keyboard and has severe reception problems when you hold it without a case |
| 14:52.18 | crashanddie | loufoque_: completely out of proportion. |
| 14:52.20 | nidO | in almost every other measure, the iphone 4's better |
| 14:52.24 | dotblank | Termana, but ultimately youc an always spoof the flash client |
| 14:52.34 | nidO | software-side it's a hugely different story though. |
| 14:52.38 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: you said "anything". |
| 14:52.42 | Termana | Unless they start trying to charge for using the flash client |
| 14:52.44 | dotblank | Termana, it just needs to be a good enough spoof |
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| 14:53.03 | crashanddie | loufoque_: yada yada yada |
| 14:53.10 | loufoque_ | kwtm: the iphone is not locked to a mobile carrier |
| 14:53.30 | loufoque_ | locking a phone to specific carrier is illegal in most countries |
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| 14:53.38 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 14:53.51 | crashanddie | It ain't illegal in the UK, nor in France, nor in the US, nor in Spain |
| 14:54.08 | loufoque_ | which shows how much you're ignorant about the laws that govern you. |
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| 14:54.14 | Termana | Nor in Australia |
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| 14:54.18 | crashanddie | Termana: indeed |
| 14:54.23 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: well, beyond 6 months in .dk it's illegal |
| 14:54.26 | GAN900 | nidO, does not. |
| 14:54.37 | nidO | what does not what? |
| 14:54.48 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: that sounds nice |
| 14:54.48 | crashanddie | loufoque_: can you be less aggressive? |
| 14:54.57 | jacekowski | crashanddie: it is in the UK |
| 14:54.57 | GAN900 | nidO, it has reception problems when you hold it in such a way as to have a finger bridge the two antennas. |
| 14:55.02 | jacekowski | crashanddie: sort of |
| 14:55.08 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: a nice compromise, I mean |
| 14:55.12 | jacekowski | crashanddie: they are required to unlock it on request |
| 14:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | (BME) seems Nokia decided to keep the battery charger floating @ ~4180mV, and does NOT stop charging like supposed to be done. At least that's what cell manufacturer strictly recommended to Openmoko, and that's also how all hardware charger chips I studied are built like. Strange Nokia decided to go with the float approach in BME |
| 14:55.20 | nidO | GAN900 which can also be easily defined as "holding it" - especially for those of us that are lefties. |
| 14:55.24 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: by "claims to be charging" I mean the battery status icon acts like it's charging "animated loop of battery level". |
| 14:55.29 | alterego | But it clearly isn't .. |
| 14:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: lol |
| 14:55.45 | crashanddie | jacekowski: nope, if you buy it from Vodafone, they are allowed to request compensation if you are taking the contract elsewhere. However, if you negotiate properly they'll give it for free. But it's definitely not illegal. |
| 14:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: maybe you stopped bme? |
| 14:55.59 | nidO | GAN900 a trend-follower friend of mine bought an iphone4 and I had a play with it last night, nowhere on the box or device does it mention that the phone's designed to be usable as a phone by right-handed people only. |
| 14:56.00 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, big lead acid batteries are kept charged by small current flowing trough them |
| 14:56.03 | nidO | yet, effectively, it is. |
| 14:56.12 | luke-jr | crashanddie: contract enforcement is quite legit IMO |
| 14:56.15 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: it just uses too much pwoer whilst under heavy 3G use :P |
| 14:56.19 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: the only compensation they ask is for you to break your contract early. |
| 14:56.21 | jacekowski | crashanddie: contract is different thing |
| 14:56.21 | crashanddie | luke-jr: indeed |
| 14:56.25 | GAN900 | nidO, meh. |
| 14:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I know, but seems we got no Lead-Acid cell here |
| 14:56.29 | luke-jr | making the device useless if you break the contract, is arguably questionable |
| 14:56.36 | jacekowski | crashanddie: you have to pay fees for early termination |
| 14:56.42 | alterego | Anyhow, my torrent will be finished in 3 minutes, so I expect my phone to die in about 2 minute s50 seconds :P |
| 14:56.51 | jacekowski | crashanddie: but that's all |
| 14:56.58 | luke-jr | especially if the provider refuses to unlock it if you terminate the contract legally |
| 14:57.00 | nidO | he lives in the middle of a city, like me - max bars when the device is sitting in front of me, i pick it up and hold it to my ear, signal almost entirely vanishes over about 15 seconds |
| 14:57.02 | luke-jr | or goes out of business |
| 14:57.06 | jacekowski | crashanddie: so if you decide to go pay&go and still keep contract as well |
| 14:57.13 | jacekowski | crashanddie: they are required to unlock your phone |
| 14:57.35 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: besides, i saw many chargers for different batteries |
| 14:57.40 | crashanddie | jacekowski: when I moved to Australia, my blackberry didn't work with an australian vodafone SIM. However I got my assistant (in the UK) to call Vodafone and she argued that the phone would come back to the UK and be used by another employee as soon as I got a AU contract, however needed the phone immediately. We got the unlock codes |
| 14:57.48 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: hep, stadig 28 92 41 56 ? |
| 14:57.51 | Stskeeps | err.. |
| 14:57.52 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and every sigle one has different charging curve |
| 14:57.56 | Stskeeps | wrong paste |
| 14:58.08 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5625274.html |
| 14:58.12 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and manual always states that it is the best curve |
| 14:58.21 | Termana | Stskeeps, winning power ball numbers? |
| 14:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: NiCad, NiMH??? wtf? |
| 14:59.12 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.14 | jacekowski | ehhh |
| 14:59.21 | jacekowski | i hate fscking firefox |
| 14:59.21 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ah, maybe wrong battery type |
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| 14:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | I know of the "decrease-in-voltage" charge termination method |
| 14:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: it's NOT APPLICABLE to LiIon |
| 14:59.48 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: either way, it shouldn't wonder me if there's a thought behind the overvoltage |
| 15:00.07 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_lock#Laws_and_Practices_on_SIM.2Fnetwork_locking |
| 15:00.59 | luke-jr | crashanddie: what does it matter how the phone is used, provided you maintain your contract? |
| 15:01.17 | crashanddie | luke-jr: contract wasn't maintained |
| 15:01.29 | crashanddie | luke-jr: I kept the handset for about 6 months in Aus before it was returned to the UK |
| 15:01.34 | luke-jr | crashanddie: my point being, what if I got a N900 and wanted to sell my subsidized phone? |
| 15:01.41 | crashanddie | luke-jr: and I was a juicy contract, roughly 1000 every month |
| 15:01.53 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you can sell it and do whatever you want |
| 15:01.59 | jacekowski | luke-jr: it's yours |
| 15:02.01 | luke-jr | jacekowski: not if it's locked |
| 15:02.19 | jacekowski | luke-jr: well, mine isn't |
| 15:02.34 | jacekowski | 90% of phones in the uk are sold unlocked |
| 15:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I don't care too much about a single charger unit manuf claiming he found Columbus' egg. I start to think when I learn a cell(!!!) manufacturer when asked by his customer(!) is recommending exactly what is implemented in at least 3 charger chips |
| 15:02.52 | nidO | the remaining 10% are iphones and blackberries |
| 15:03.03 | jacekowski | n900 battery is lipol? |
| 15:03.06 | nidO | other than those, no networks sell contract phones locked as a matter of course any more |
| 15:03.10 | crashanddie | luke-jr: "n the United Kingdom, mobile phone network providers are not obliged to provide unlocking, even after the end of the contract. Most operators offer some form of unlocking service, depending on the state of the contract and the model of phone, but usually for a charge." |
| 15:03.10 | luke-jr | nidO: what about blueberries? |
| 15:03.16 | kwtm | loufoque_: Oh! I thought, at least in the USA, that it had to be locked to a certain mobile carrier. Well, one less reason not to get an iPhone. |
| 15:03.26 | jacekowski | crashanddie: but they don't lock the phones |
| 15:03.37 | crashanddie | they do sometimes |
| 15:03.39 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 15:03.41 | jacekowski | crashanddie: they have contract with you |
| 15:03.50 | jacekowski | crashanddie: you have to pay them because of that |
| 15:03.56 | loufoque_ | kwtm: in the US maybe yes, but not in Europe at least. Anyway I think it's pretty easy to unlock or buy an unlocked iPhone. |
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| 15:04.13 | crashanddie | my point was that there hardly is any "law" prohibiting SIM locking for subsidised phones. |
| 15:04.14 | jacekowski | crashanddie: why make your life harder if they have guarenteed £20-40/month for 24 months |
| 15:04.17 | crashanddie | My point still stands. |
| 15:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: then I see Nokia in BME isn't doing that, and I frown |
| 15:04.36 | jacekowski | crashanddie: or early termination |
| 15:04.42 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: there is no law prohibiting it, but there is one compelling to unlock upon demand. |
| 15:04.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, thing is |
| 15:04.54 | crashanddie | loufoque_: only in France as far as i can tell |
| 15:04.56 | alterego | Weird .. |
| 15:04.57 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that how do you keep battery charged when phone is connected to charger |
| 15:05.04 | alterego | Does the charger pulse? |
| 15:05.12 | alterego | Like, 1 minute on 1 minute off? |
| 15:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell jacekowski about bateryfaq |
| 15:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell jacekowski about batteryfaq |
| 15:06.03 | jacekowski | well, so it should stop |
| 15:06.06 | jacekowski | let it discharge |
| 15:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: which charger? nevertheless, none of the units called charger in any of the phones I know does that |
| 15:06.21 | jacekowski | and then what? |
| 15:06.25 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: USB cable into my laptop .. |
| 15:06.26 | jacekowski | you have empty battery |
| 15:06.27 | kwtm | Anyone have experience with the "PyQt4 demo" package on the n900? It won't download due to missing dependencies. I wanted to check it out before I downloaded the entire full PyQT4 installation. |
| 15:06.35 | jacekowski | or you charge not completly empty battery |
| 15:06.42 | jacekowski | which has negative impact on battery capacity |
| 15:06.47 | alterego | There seems to be a spike in charge every minute or so. |
| 15:06.47 | jacekowski | not a major one |
| 15:06.59 | jacekowski | alterego: it affects battery capacity |
| 15:07.03 | alterego | jacekowski: not for LiIon's |
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| 15:07.08 | jacekowski | it does |
| 15:07.14 | jacekowski | not as much as for other types |
| 15:07.17 | alterego | jacekowski: nope, they like being charged .. |
| 15:07.17 | jacekowski | but it does affect it |
| 15:07.25 | alterego | You should never drain a lion .. |
| 15:07.25 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: where is the batteryfaq? I want to see why my USB cable won't charge the n900 when connected to a USB charger (not a computer, just a USB charger |
| 15:07.36 | jacekowski | battery has limit of charge/discharge cycles |
| 15:07.39 | Corsac | they like to be in the 30-70% range and stay there |
| 15:07.43 | crashanddie | ~batteryfaq |
| 15:07.44 | infobot | batteryfaq is, like, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 15:08.01 | alterego | jacekowski: full cycles maybe, that number grows a lot when you keep it above 50% |
| 15:08.23 | jacekowski | alterego: but it still affects battery life |
| 15:08.25 | kwtm | It's "openmoko.org", so I guess it's about cellphone/palmtop batteries in general and not about the n900 (or any nokia phone) in particular? |
| 15:08.28 | jacekowski | alterego: everything affects it |
| 15:08.33 | alterego | jacekowski: that's known as life :P |
| 15:08.35 | dotblank | I thought you were calling a destructor on batterfaq |
| 15:08.40 | dotblank | I need sleep |
| 15:08.45 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:08.51 | crashanddie | destructors are evil |
| 15:09.02 | alterego | dotblank: that would be: delete batteryfaq :P |
| 15:09.03 | crashanddie | ~burn C++ |
| 15:09.04 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over C++, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 15:09.04 | jacekowski | batteryfaq = new batteryfaq(); |
| 15:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: the generic statements therein (the nes not reerring to OM Freerunner) are applicable to Nokia battery as well |
| 15:09.29 | jacekowski | ~burn crash and die |
| 15:09.30 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over crash and die, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 15:09.47 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 15:09.49 | jacekowski | i'm going home |
| 15:09.53 | crashanddie | jacekowski: Batteryfaq batteryfaq = new Batteryfqa(); |
| 15:10.01 | jacekowski | batterywtf |
| 15:10.04 | crashanddie | s/fqa/faq/ |
| 15:10.13 | jacekowski | anyways, bye |
| 15:10.16 | dotblank | Oh god look what I started |
| 15:10.50 | dotblank | #include "batteryfaq.h" |
| 15:10.58 | crashanddie | dotblank: I am looking. |
| 15:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | anyways, at OM we had to learn doing the "Nokia way" we got 'pregnant' cels after ~6 months |
| 15:11.42 | crashanddie | anyway, got shit to do, later all |
| 15:12.26 | crashanddie | Also, loufoque_, please stop bullshitting your way through life. And don't go calling people ignorant because they are claiming things you don't believe, even though, obviously, they would appear to be right. |
| 15:12.51 | flux | can I find 3g signal strength (in dBm) from /sys or dbus somewhere? |
| 15:12.55 | crashanddie | 'later |
| 15:13.03 | alterego | Who are you talking to? |
| 15:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | while my old Nokia 6210 (strange enough) took care about the LiIon by strictly following the 'orthodox method' of ocasional topup charge cycles nad discharging in between to ~80%, has managed to keep the cell alife (= >75% of design capacity) for EIGHT YEARS |
| 15:13.20 | alterego | flux: signal strength is advertised by dbus signals |
| 15:13.48 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: you're wrong. |
| 15:14.05 | alterego | loufoque_: he thinks you're wrong, agree to disagree and change the subject. |
| 15:14.08 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: and unemployed |
| 15:14.18 | crashanddie | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 15:14.21 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: That's probably the first info about battery charging that I've seen that has evidence to back it up. :) |
| 15:14.21 | alterego | loufoque_: no need to be a dick now. |
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| 15:14.29 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: pregnant cells? |
| 15:14.30 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*loufoque@82.45.149.*] by crashanddie |
| 15:14.30 | *** kick/#maemo [loufoque_!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (fuck off, wanker) |
| 15:14.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 15:14.47 | crashanddie | anyway, 'later |
| 15:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: cell swelling |
| 15:14.50 | jacekowski | crashanddie: you're unemplyed? |
| 15:14.50 | alterego | Heh, I did tell him that .. |
| 15:14.53 | jacekowski | unemployed* |
| 15:15.04 | kwtm | jacekowski: I think he's talking about how batteries grow larger (thicker) with use... I didn't know until recvently. |
| 15:15.20 | crashanddie | jacekowski: aye |
| 15:15.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i saw that happening only on nokia phones |
| 15:15.33 | jacekowski | crashanddie: and you live off my taxes, like SpeedEvil? |
| 15:15.40 | crashanddie | jacekowski: nope |
| 15:15.58 | kwtm | If I want to write a ash script using dbus, is there something like qdbus on n900 so I can browse what's on the dbus? |
| 15:16.03 | MohammadAG | Need testers NAO http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4/ |
| 15:16.03 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I'm not getting any benefits, regardless of the fact that I've lived and worked and paid taxes in 3 countries |
| 15:16.21 | MohammadAG | slaps alterego, an 'eye' for an 'eye', go test my app! |
| 15:16.22 | dotblank | MohammadAG, I'll test it |
| 15:16.30 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 15:16.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:16.35 | alterego | Yessir |
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| 15:16.39 | jacekowski | bye |
| 15:16.43 | jacekowski | i'm going home |
| 15:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: exactly. The cells become twice as thick and electrically dead |
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| 15:17.36 | loufoque_ | that was violent. |
| 15:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeeha, thunderstorm |
| 15:17.59 | loufoque_ | DocScrutinizer: the nokia battery is not as bad as people make it to be |
| 15:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | loufoque_: "people"? |
| 15:18.28 | loufoque_ | people on the internet |
| 15:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | loufoque_: [citation needed] |
| 15:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | nobody here said BL-5J is bad |
| 15:19.19 | Appiah | I heard there are rumors on the internets |
| 15:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | I have doubts about N900 maybe treating it bad though |
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| 15:19.55 | MohammadAG | Appiah, you can't believe everything you read on the internet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlWcyE2E1s |
| 15:20.17 | kwtm | Why do I get "unable to install <package name>/ Some application packages required for the installation are minssing"? Does that mean the Maemo repository is missing some packages? |
| 15:20.43 | MohammadAG | logs would be more useful than some generic UI message |
| 15:21.16 | loufoque_ | kwtm: happened to me as well |
| 15:21.27 | loufoque_ | kwtm: had to manually add some repositories |
| 15:21.31 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you're going to make me insgtall perl?!? |
| 15:21.35 | loufoque_ | which are the missing packages? |
| 15:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: I'm not THAT pervert |
| 15:21.50 | kwtm | MohammadAG: Are you referring to my error message? It says that the following are missing: "python2.5-qt4-core (listed twice), python2.5-qt4-xml, python2.5-qt4-gui ... (among others) |
| 15:21.51 | nidO | I say the bl-5j is bad :( |
| 15:21.57 | Lilly | is there adbe flash player 10 for maemo? |
| 15:22.04 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: yes. |
| 15:22.04 | dotblank | MohammadAG, perl-modulues is missing from either extra-dev or testing |
| 15:22.05 | loufoque_ | also is it a non-global firmware? |
| 15:22.08 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: But you can't have it. |
| 15:22.09 | kwtm | loufoque_: What other repositories are there to add? WOuld love to know. Thx. |
| 15:22.11 | alterego | MohammadAG: you're going to make me insgtall perl?!? sorry DocScrutinizer |
| 15:22.13 | dotblank | MohammadAG, preventing me from installing it |
| 15:22.14 | nidO | the bp-4l is like 5 years older, the same physical volume, and like 15% higher capacity |
| 15:22.17 | Lilly | why? |
| 15:22.29 | Lilly | repository or hack |
| 15:22.33 | MohammadAG | dotblank, perl-modules is in devel, I'll check testing |
| 15:22.39 | SpeedEvil | (neither can anyone else not of the select few who have had it running for nokia.) |
| 15:22.40 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: Good question. |
| 15:22.47 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: It was demonstrated running ~6 months ago. |
| 15:22.47 | Lilly | hack |
| 15:22.49 | kwtm | nidO: Have you been using bp-4L? Works well? Any experience with not-officially-from-Nokia batteries? |
| 15:23.04 | MohammadAG | err |
| 15:23.08 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 15:23.20 | nidO | I used the bp-4l in my e90, never used an aftermarket battery instead of it though |
| 15:23.31 | nidO | and gave me ~6 days use on that device |
| 15:23.45 | loufoque_ | kwtm: can you paste the content of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list somewhere? |
| 15:23.45 | MohammadAG | alterego, lol sorry who? |
| 15:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: It (bp-4j) might have other unpleasant properties, like dependencies on env temp, or high Z |
| 15:23.59 | MohammadAG | alterego, and you made me install PySide:p |
| 15:24.12 | alterego | MohammadAG: but this is perl!!! |
| 15:24.22 | alterego | MohammadAG: why does it depend on Perl? |
| 15:24.24 | Lilly | i must hacking flash.*.tar.gz? |
| 15:24.43 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: There is no released package of flash 10 anywhere for maemo. |
| 15:24.48 | kwtm | loufoque_: Umm... not that great at pasting something from inside the n900. Do I need to connect to the internet via n900 to do so? (I can't just hook up the n900 to my laptop via USB, right?) |
| 15:25.01 | Lilly | but for linux 32 bit there is |
| 15:25.07 | loufoque_ | kwtm: you can just hook up the n900 to your laptop via USB |
| 15:25.11 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: In principle it might not be impossible to repackage one of the other flash 10s for arm that have been released, but it's a _huge_ task |
| 15:25.17 | SpeedEvil | Lilly: The n900 does not run on x86 |
| 15:25.23 | loufoque_ | kwtm: or you can transfer between your N900 and your PC using wifi |
| 15:25.34 | loufoque_ | by wifi I mean your local network |
| 15:25.35 | Lilly | SpComb, thx |
| 15:25.39 | loufoque_ | you could also use bluetooth |
| 15:25.40 | Lilly | ops |
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| 15:25.49 | Lilly | SpeedEvil, thx for all |
| 15:25.54 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 15:25.58 | kwtm | loufoque_: But when I connect the n900 via USB, the root directory is not visible, just /home/user/MyDocs (there's a VFAT volume that it umounts and then gives to my laptop). |
| 15:25.58 | SpeedEvil | wants flash 10. |
| 15:26.07 | loufoque_ | kwtm: if you have a SD card you can physically move it too |
| 15:26.17 | dotblank | kwtm, this is how its supposed to work |
| 15:26.17 | SpeedEvil | I hit the 'flash 10 only' content on youtube a couple of times this week |
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| 15:26.25 | kwtm | loufoque_: Still new at transferring ... I don't have a router here; the hotel WiFi won't let me talk between devices. |
| 15:26.44 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: Do you ahve a USB cable? |
| 15:26.45 | MohammadAG | alterego, cause... "# Yes it uses Perl, you non-believer :-)." |
| 15:26.49 | kwtm | So I guess I'll copy the /etc/apt/sources onto MyDocs and then hook it up to the laptop. |
| 15:26.52 | loufoque_ | kwtm: you could copy the file to /home/user/MyDocs with your terminal on the N900 |
| 15:26.54 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: I do have a USB cable. |
| 15:26.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, the whole game is in perl |
| 15:27.21 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: you could tether over USB. |
| 15:27.34 | kwtm | I'll do as loufoque_ suggests since I know how to do that, but, SpeedEvil: how do I "tether"? Does that mean I can see all of the N900 file structure on my laptop? |
| 15:28.00 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: Hmm. You can setup USB networking |
| 15:28.02 | loufoque_ | that means you can have the N900 use USB for the networking |
| 15:28.15 | alterego | MohammadAG: :( |
| 15:28.17 | nidO | if you setup usb or bluetooth networking you could just access the entire device via scp |
| 15:28.23 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 15:28.32 | SpeedEvil | Or setup an ad-hoc network. |
| 15:28.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, anyways, test it later when I'm the maintainer of perl-modules, cause I can't promote it |
| 15:28.47 | E0x | is anyway to use the Nokia SDK emulator for test python code ? |
| 15:28.50 | obsidieth | id like samba. |
| 15:28.50 | alterego | MohammadAG: oh, okay. PM me or summink :) |
| 15:29.12 | SpeedEvil | obsidieth: I assume this is a windows laptop? |
| 15:29.27 | obsidieth | it is. |
| 15:29.35 | obsidieth | winscp is a bit annoying. i like mounting network drives. |
| 15:30.03 | dotblank | scp on linux is the best thing since sliced bread |
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| 15:31.05 | kwtm | dotblank: scp is the only usable file transfer method I've found, but I find it very unwieldy. I need something to browse the remote files, or I might not spell the pathname correctly. |
| 15:31.17 | loufoque_ | sshfs is quite nice as well |
| 15:31.23 | loufoque_ | if you want something graphical |
| 15:32.02 | loufoque_ | I mean if you want to be able to run your own graphical apps directly on the files |
| 15:32.13 | loufoque_ | otherwise you can just do everything in the ssh session |
| 15:32.24 | loufoque_ | with vim |
| 15:32.37 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: browsing over sftp 'just works' - onmany linux distributions file managers. |
| 15:32.38 | kwtm | loufoque_: pasted to http://pastebin.com/rsbHFkN4 |
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| 15:32.55 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: Oh, there's sftp on n900? Didn't know --will explore. |
| 15:33.07 | obsidieth | openssh-server. |
| 15:33.33 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 15:33.37 | SpeedEvil | after that, I mean |
| 15:34.06 | kwtm | sources.list shows downloads.maemo.nokia.com and repository.maemo.org ; should I add other repositories? Didn't see any others on casual googling. |
| 15:34.33 | alterego | 300K/s on 3G nice :) |
| 15:34.42 | obsidieth | i get about that if im near melbourne |
| 15:34.44 | obsidieth | else its poop. |
| 15:34.47 | alterego | Actually ~320K/s that's pretty sweet |
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| 15:36.32 | loufoque_ | there is also dropbear |
| 15:36.36 | FredrIQ | KB? |
| 15:36.37 | FredrIQ | or Kb? |
| 15:36.41 | loufoque_ | which is more lightweight than openssh |
| 15:37.03 | FredrIQ | gets around 45KB/s on 3G at home |
| 15:37.21 | FredrIQ | well |
| 15:37.38 | FredrIQ | acually it's like 47.6 constantly |
| 15:37.45 | alterego | loufoque_: drop bear is rubbish though :P |
| 15:37.47 | FredrIQ | it doesn't want to go over that |
| 15:37.51 | loufoque_ | alterego: why? |
| 15:38.03 | alterego | loufoque_: I just find somethings don't work .. like sftp .. |
| 15:38.15 | loufoque_ | haven't tested sftp |
| 15:38.18 | loufoque_ | don't use that crap |
| 15:38.27 | alterego | I've rhad far too many issues with dropbear to want to ever use it again tbh. |
| 15:38.40 | loufoque_ | I do think sshfs doesn't work though |
| 15:38.54 | alterego | That's because sshfs uses sftp .. |
| 15:39.07 | loufoque_ | kwtm: I personally have something different for deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002 ./ |
| 15:39.39 | loufoque_ | kwtm: do you use a non-global firmware? |
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| 15:45.07 | ebzzry | Hi! I have put 'exec /bin/bash' in my ~/.profile and now I'm in a reboot loop (6 dots). What should I do to recover? |
| 15:47.26 | dotblank | ebzzry, ouch im not too sure what you can do |
| 15:47.32 | dotblank | you may have to reflash |
| 15:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | wow. a ~100kA discharge arc, ending on a roof 100m away, is definitely a nice experience :-DD |
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| 15:49.22 | ebzzry | dotblank: iirc, I have installed an app that lets me recover without reflashing; I forgot the name. |
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| 15:51.33 | dotblank | ive been testing my app but now im out of songs to test with |
| 15:51.48 | dotblank | anyone have recommendations for music? |
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| 15:52.15 | ebzzry | Gah. I may really have to reflash. What's the most ideal starting point? |
| 15:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: Stockhausen |
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| 15:54.13 | loufoque_ | is there a way to choose which icon to use for contacts? |
| 15:54.27 | loufoque_ | sometimes it assigns the msn icon but not always |
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| 16:02.50 | an0therb0x | is there a way to save all my contacts to sim on the N900 |
| 16:03.18 | an0therb0x | also is there a way or an app that displays date + time on the desktop ? |
| 16:03.19 | alterego | plays some zen bound, really like this game. Makes me want to get into GLES |
| 16:03.43 | mirf | are friends electric? |
| 16:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | an0therb0x: N900 has 'rich contacts' - you can't save that type of contacts to a SIM |
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| 16:04.32 | jakde | hi |
| 16:04.39 | jakde | for the price of an n97 what do you guys suggest i get |
| 16:04.56 | jakde | i've heard the software on n97s are bad |
| 16:05.15 | jakde | any ideas on what i should get, i could throw in a little more if i can get something with maemo on it |
| 16:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | jakde: The SW on N97 isn't maemo anyways |
| 16:05.48 | jakde | i know |
| 16:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | jakde: obviously you want N900 then |
| 16:06.02 | jakde | its symbian, i jsut got the phone today but many are telling me the software is crap on this |
| 16:06.02 | jakde | :D |
| 16:06.14 | jakde | is it a big price difference between the n900 and n97? |
| 16:06.27 | alterego | Not so much anymore n;) |
| 16:06.31 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: it would be useful if the N900 could export contacts to a sim, even if only as an emergency backup |
| 16:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | google is your friend - and amazon |
| 16:07.03 | loufoque_ | jakde: a N900 |
| 16:07.04 | barisione | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/contacts-merger/0.1.3-0/ why does it says that some deps are missing? |
| 16:07.10 | barisione | those libs are in pr1.2... |
| 16:07.22 | jakde | ok nn900 is at $480 |
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| 16:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: which part of contacts? the "phone" or the "phone (home)" or the "mobile" or what? it's really a lot of manual work for the *user* to do that |
| 16:07.59 | loufoque_ | barisione: do you have the global firmware? |
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| 16:08.12 | barisione | global firmware? |
| 16:08.15 | jakde | and n97 is at $350 |
| 16:08.16 | jakde | erm |
| 16:08.16 | an0therb0x | DocScrutinizer: "rich contacts" is that an app or system setting ? |
| 16:08.43 | loufoque_ | barisione: or do you have UK, US, African firmware? |
| 16:08.54 | barisione | Ikarus: sims are crap |
| 16:08.59 | barisione | they have too many limitations |
| 16:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | an0therb0x: it's a make up term I invented to describe the properties of N900 contacts to have multiple info stored to one contact |
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| 16:09.20 | barisione | loufoque_: I would guess UK, but those libs should be at the same version |
| 16:09.33 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: my SE phone exports contacts like name;M -> number name;H -> number name;W -> number (representing mobile, home and work |
| 16:09.41 | loufoque_ | jakde: 450 for the N900 |
| 16:09.49 | jakde | loufoque_ yep |
| 16:09.50 | Ikarus | and enough other variations |
| 16:09.57 | loufoque_ | barisione: you would guess? Didn't you flash it yourself? |
| 16:10.07 | barisione | loufoque_: no |
| 16:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: sure there's a plethora of proprietary ways to deal with that |
| 16:10.18 | loufoque_ | oh right you can do over the air as well |
| 16:10.20 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: yup, the point is "emergency backup" |
| 16:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: but what's the use of it |
| 16:10.39 | barisione | Ikarus: it's an emergency backup that loses data |
| 16:10.42 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: I need to be able to drop my SIM in any other phone and atleast with some difficulty call my contacts |
| 16:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: do 'emergency backup" by exporting vcard to uSD |
| 16:10.50 | loufoque_ | barisione: I don't know if it's because I had UK firmware, but I noticed my repositories were not the same as someone else and I was missing packages |
| 16:11.03 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: no, none of my spare phones have uSD |
| 16:11.22 | Ikarus | anyway, pizza |
| 16:11.30 | barisione | Ikarus: save your contacts in another way (backup, vcf file, whatever) but sims lose data so it was decided to consider them legacy and handle them only for import |
| 16:11.33 | ebzzry | dotblank: Since the offending part is in my ~/.profile, should I reflash the eMMC? |
| 16:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: I see the validity of the demand - but I as well see the difficulties |
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| 16:12.01 | barisione | loufoque_: I'm sure those libs are at the same version everywhere (I actually work on libosso-abook) |
| 16:12.07 | Ikarus | barisione: I prefer to have something over nothing |
| 16:12.34 | loufoque_ | barisione: I could install contacts merger fine |
| 16:12.49 | barisione | loufoque_: yeah, I cannot understand why it says that. but nobody complained |
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| 16:13.16 | barisione | Ikarus: a half broken feature is not very good for a consumer product |
| 16:13.17 | loufoque_ | barisione: oops sorry I thought you said you were missing the packages... |
| 16:13.20 | BCMM | does maemo have a vnc viewer that supports "reverse" vnc? |
| 16:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you write up a script maybe involving sqlite3 for contacts retrieval and pnatd to generically write to SIM |
| 16:13.28 | BCMM | e.g. vncviewer -listen |
| 16:13.40 | jakde | i dont know if i made a bad decision |
| 16:13.49 | jakde | i tried maemo and like it but went with symbian instead |
| 16:13.51 | barisione | Ikarus: people would complain that they names are cut, details are missing, etc. |
| 16:14.02 | jakde | just curious |
| 16:14.07 | Ikarus | barisione: yet Sony Ericsson does it, Siemens did, etc |
| 16:14.09 | barisione | DocScrutinizer: there is no sqlite involved in contacts |
| 16:14.13 | jakde | in what ways is the maemo better than the symbian software |
| 16:14.15 | jakde | in speed? |
| 16:14.22 | jacekowski | hmmm, |
| 16:14.30 | jacekowski | i can't think of one |
| 16:14.31 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: but yeah I have been tempted to write just such a thing |
| 16:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: mhm. what else then are contacts stored in? |
| 16:14.36 | jakde | it's got a faster processor? |
| 16:14.54 | jakde | n900 has no java does it? |
| 16:14.56 | loufoque_ | barisione: the page you gave is for pr1.0, not 1.2 |
| 16:14.59 | BCMM | jakde: compatibility |
| 16:15.12 | barisione | Ikarus: symbian does too, but the richer the address book gets the more crap the exports becomes and the more complains people have |
| 16:15.15 | SpeedEvil | does nokia pay license fees for sybian? |
| 16:15.17 | jakde | BCMM: nnoted |
| 16:15.19 | SpeedEvil | who owns it? |
| 16:15.23 | jakde | but does it have java? |
| 16:15.25 | barisione | SpeedEvil: nokia owns it |
| 16:15.26 | jakde | n900 doesnt have jav |
| 16:15.29 | BCMM | jakde: maemo is a pretty standard linux distro |
| 16:15.32 | jacekowski | jakde: processor isn't related to os |
| 16:15.39 | jakde | jacekowski: ok |
| 16:15.48 | jakde | but it does have a faster proc does it not than the n97? |
| 16:15.48 | barisione | DocScrutinizer: bsddb, but some details are stored in other backends |
| 16:15.53 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: nokia owns symbian |
| 16:16.03 | BCMM | jakde: there is no java atm, i think, but it is quite feasible |
| 16:16.07 | jacekowski | jakde: not a lot faster |
| 16:16.10 | jakde | jacekowski: also it has no java |
| 16:16.13 | jakde | BCMM right |
| 16:16.17 | jakde | issnt that a drawback? |
| 16:16.27 | loufoque_ | barisione: Fremantle1.2 Extras seems to be missing from maemo.org |
| 16:16.28 | jacekowski | nobody cares about java |
| 16:16.30 | jacekowski | and flash |
| 16:16.43 | loufoque_ | except java and flash developers |
| 16:16.45 | jakde | erm the iphone and android do and |
| 16:16.52 | jakde | well you want to upload flash videos if you liekd |
| 16:16.54 | jakde | its a big step |
| 16:16.57 | barisione | loufoque_: pr1.0? really? why? /me doesn't see any point in having a page for a so old release |
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| 16:17.42 | loufoque_ | barisione: on the link you gave, if you hover libosso-abook it says PR1.0 |
| 16:17.43 | ebzzry | Hi! Is reflashing the only option if I have 'exec /bin/bash' in my ~/.profile and I get stuck at the 6 dots during bootup? |
| 16:17.52 | Stskeeps | that was a bit stupid, ebzzry |
| 16:17.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:18.02 | jakde | so there is no flash support for maemo yet? |
| 16:18.03 | loufoque_ | ebzzry: probably |
| 16:18.13 | loufoque_ | jakde: flash has had flash for ages |
| 16:18.19 | loufoque_ | oops |
| 16:18.20 | loufoque_ | I meant maemo |
| 16:18.22 | BCMM | jakde: maemo comes with flash... |
| 16:18.23 | mmarc__ | hi, do we have bionic threading lib on maemo? |
| 16:18.26 | jakde | ah ok |
| 16:18.27 | ebzzry | Stskeeps: Yeah. But I wanted to see it myself. :) |
| 16:18.35 | jakde | so whats the replacement for java in the n900? |
| 16:18.39 | SpeedEvil | ebzzry: In principle you could use flasher to boot the kernel with init=/bin/sh - or whatever. But that won't quite work. |
| 16:18.39 | Stskeeps | C++? |
| 16:18.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:18.49 | ebzzry | If that's the case, is reflashing the eMMC the only option available left? |
| 16:18.54 | jakde | i mean since it has no java, what was the alternative? |
| 16:18.56 | ebzzry | Or there are some better alternatives? |
| 16:19.38 | BCMM | jakde: what do you mean? |
| 16:19.43 | ebzzry | s/there are/are there |
| 16:20.12 | BCMM | jakde: native apps, i guess |
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| 16:20.46 | BCMM | jakde: portable binaries aren't a big deal when you can just recompile most Linux applications |
| 16:21.21 | BCMM_ | jakde: the n900 alternative to Java is C++ |
| 16:23.15 | loufoque_ | BCMM: setting up a cross-compiler is no easy task |
| 16:23.17 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Really? |
| 16:23.45 | BCMM_ | loufoque_: eh? |
| 16:23.49 | loufoque_ | you can run java on the N900 if you really want to |
| 16:23.54 | BCMM_ | yeah, i know |
| 16:24.00 | BCMM_ | but it is not a supported thing |
| 16:24.12 | loufoque_ | what do you mean "eh?" |
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| 16:24.40 | BCMM_ | well, i was under the impression that there is a pre-set-up cross-compiler for maemo that one can download |
| 16:25.04 | alterego | Yeahm, no one is crazy enough to do their own cross compilation tool chain ... |
| 16:25.17 | alterego | Well, no one sane would bother considering we have a fair few already built for us. |
| 16:25.22 | BCMM_ | jakde: anyway, a replacement for which java use case? |
| 16:25.34 | alterego | Java is a pos |
| 16:25.35 | BCMM_ | for browser applets, people use Flash or modern HTML for most thigns now |
| 16:25.43 | loufoque_ | BCMM_: only on linux |
| 16:25.51 | loufoque_ | what if you're into bsd |
| 16:26.08 | alterego | loufoque_: works on BSD too .. |
| 16:26.16 | BCMM_ | for applications, well, a java app need modification for a new platform really, since the platform will have a different screen resolution and input system and file system structure |
| 16:26.19 | alterego | Doesn't BNSD have that Linux compatibility layer ? |
| 16:26.33 | jakde | BSD does but not sure how it works on phones |
| 16:26.33 | loufoque_ | what if you run on powerpc |
| 16:26.39 | BCMM_ | all using c++ instead adds is having to do a recompile... |
| 16:26.44 | jakde | linux has a BSD compatibility layer for POSIX and such |
| 16:26.50 | alterego | loufoque_: then you deserve to be left out for dead :P |
| 16:27.01 | BCMM_ | jakde: i'm not quite sure i understand |
| 16:27.25 | BCMM_ | BSD and Linux are both POSIX systems |
| 16:27.32 | loufoque_ | too bad Qt isn't really C++ |
| 16:27.53 | BCMM_ | and BSD has a compatibility layer for Linux binaries |
| 16:29.38 | ebzzry | BCMM_: *BSDs aren't. |
| 16:30.15 | BCMM_ | ebzzry: BSD supports POSIX |
| 16:30.50 | jakde | BCMM: lionux is not a POSIX system |
| 16:30.53 | jakde | it supports it |
| 16:31.01 | jakde | UNIX/BSD is |
| 16:31.03 | jakde | among others |
| 16:31.14 | BCMM_ | Linux supports posix, but is not officially certified |
| 16:31.38 | BCMM_ | jakde: what does that mean? |
| 16:31.44 | jakde | posix compatible? |
| 16:31.46 | BCMM_ | what is a POSIX system, other than a system that will run POSIX-compliant software? |
| 16:32.12 | SpeedEvil | ebzzry: The flasher can pass kerneloptions, yes. If that will help is another question. |
| 16:32.15 | jakde | its not a fully posix compliant system |
| 16:33.28 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Do you think what you suggested earlier will work, to avoid the reboot loop? |
| 16:33.28 | jakde | anyhow this is OT |
| 16:33.46 | ebzzry | jakde: I agree. |
| 16:34.20 | SpeedEvil | ebzzry: yes. However, you will not be able to easily repair the boot loop, as you have no fbconsole. I'm unsure if the keyboard is attached tot he console in the normal way either. |
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| 16:35.20 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: for the sake of redundancy, I'll repeat what I said earlier. The culprit 'exec /bin/bash' is in my ~/.profile. So will flashing a FIASCO image not work? |
| 16:35.56 | SpeedEvil | ebzzry: I'm unsure. |
| 16:36.37 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: OK. I hope somebody else can answer that question. |
| 16:38.06 | alterego | Heh, imagine the negative publicity and it's effect on Apple this antenna issue is causing. I still don't think it'll effect their sales though .. |
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| 16:38.25 | alterego | Apple fags will buy a phone that's defectivee, if it comes from Steve's butt hole. |
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| 16:39.11 | dotblank | need another song |
| 16:39.14 | ebzzry | Slightly off-topic, what are the key differences between the US and Global release of the firmwares have? |
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| 16:39.21 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.47 | alterego | ebzzry: not anything really, just about how yourregional updates occur afaik |
| 16:40.01 | ebzzry | alterego: OK |
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| 16:40.59 | alterego | ebzzry: I'm sure there are some other differencesx sbut I wouldn't worry baout it. |
| 16:43.52 | ebzzry | Is there a way to get the data on the eMMC when I can't boot properly? |
| 16:44.49 | alterego | Erm, have you tried having the device off, then just plugging it in to the usb port? |
| 16:44.56 | alterego | I think it defaults to mass storage mode then. |
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| 16:45.20 | alterego | Hah, read a comment where some guy blamed the iPhone 4 antenna issue on Wozniac, pahah |
| 16:45.36 | mortini | that crazy woz breakin' the iphones. |
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| 16:58.45 | alterego | I also like how they're all calling the iPhone _4_ a first gen product because of this gigantic failure |
| 16:58.55 | alterego | It's the forth generation, O_O |
| 16:59.00 | alterego | That's why it's called iPhone 4 .. |
| 17:00.17 | dotblank | im not going to get an iphone and I never will |
| 17:00.33 | alterego | I really want one .. |
| 17:00.45 | alterego | So I can use it to throw at people that actually buy Apple shit :) |
| 17:00.50 | dotblank | I'm boycotting MS and apple |
| 17:01.16 | dotblank | im trying to boycott google but thats just impossible |
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| 17:02.28 | alterego | Meh, I only use google for searching |
| 17:02.36 | alterego | Mainly because of muscle memory :P |
| 17:02.49 | mirf | f6, boobs |
| 17:02.50 | dotblank | my email runs on gmail |
| 17:02.50 | pyther | Does anyone have ATT's Unlimited Messaging Plan? |
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| 17:02.59 | alterego | Poor you :P |
| 17:03.04 | alterego | I use hotmail muahahaha |
| 17:03.14 | dotblank | pyhimys, no but i have tmo's unlimited msg plan |
| 17:03.14 | alterego | As a spam bucket account, I've had it for probably 11 years |
| 17:03.30 | alterego | I use an independant Net BSD shell provider for my personal email. |
| 17:03.40 | alterego | And I host my own email server for serious stuff :) |
| 17:03.40 | dotblank | I have gmail accounts going from username1-100 |
| 17:03.50 | alterego | That's really sad. |
| 17:04.01 | dotblank | alterego, I agree |
| 17:04.36 | dotblank | alterego, I hate how gmail doesn't support gpg |
| 17:04.52 | ebzzry | alterego: I did follow what you advised me to do. But on my system I get /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc both unreadable and unmountable. |
| 17:04.58 | dotblank | like at least acknowledge somthing is valid |
| 17:07.03 | alterego | ebzzry: interesting, well, I've not actually ever used that feature. |
| 17:07.20 | alterego | ebzzry: if you just flash root fs, you don't wipe eMMC btw :) |
| 17:08.00 | ebzzry | Is there a way to reset the contents of /home/user (not including MyDocs)? |
| 17:08.30 | alterego | No |
| 17:08.38 | alterego | Erm .. |
| 17:09.06 | alterego | Maybe, but sounds like there's something very odd going on if you're seeing device nodes for your drives but no partitions, what Linux dist are you using? |
| 17:10.18 | ebzzry | alterego: Debian |
| 17:10.33 | alterego | Hmm, 32 or 64 bit? |
| 17:10.49 | ebzzry | alterego: I tried plugging the device to a Windows system, and it shows up as two (2) Removable Disks, which are both inaccessible. |
| 17:10.54 | ebzzry | alterego: 32 |
| 17:11.05 | alterego | Hrm, well, that should work :P |
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| 17:11.15 | alterego | Maybe ask on t.m.o |
| 17:11.24 | ebzzry | alterego: Will do. |
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| 17:12.09 | alterego | Wow, even the iPhone's 5M acmera is in a pathetically stupid position,. |
| 17:12.50 | alterego | Is it actually only me that thinks all the iPhones look shit? |
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| 17:17.44 | alterego | And I look at this, and it makes me feel really sad about Apple fags: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM3kvJxWsgo&NR=1 |
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| 17:19.01 | alterego | cell based location services, wow, that's revolutionary. Being able to set alarms programatically, wow ... |
| 17:19.10 | alterego | Background uploading to flickr ... |
| 17:19.16 | alterego | Great ... |
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| 17:20.54 | andrewfblack | Hello |
| 17:21.07 | flailingmonkey | yerp |
| 17:26.24 | Lilly | can i install jvm? Or i must install microemulator? |
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| 17:28.16 | ebzzry | alterego: I have just posted to t.m.o. I have started crossing my fingers. |
| 17:28.57 | flailingmonkey | Lilly: you have to install java for microemulator to work |
| 17:29.17 | flailingmonkey | the microemulator install probably automatically installs a java runtime though |
| 17:30.46 | pupnik_ | can n900 store contacts to sim card? |
| 17:30.55 | Lilly | Ok, i install microemulator thx flailingmonkey |
| 17:31.02 | flailingmonkey | microemulator is written in java after all. your usual desktop java install can't run the java programs that are made for feature phones. so that is why microemulator exists |
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| 17:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: is that a prank question? we got that topic some 2h ago |
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| 17:43.45 | timeless_mbp | hey, has anyone written a group sms feature? |
| 17:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: quite obviously there's an import-from-sim menu in contacts-app, but no export-to-sim feature |
| 17:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: and also quite obviously SIM isn't capable to store a complex contact like found in contacts-app/db |
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| 17:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | (I admit this rationale is true since 1999 when 6210 nevertheless DID export of contacts to SIM) |
| 17:54.11 | Dassu | any app that allows me to draw on images? |
| 17:58.09 | nas_ | Dassu: GIMP ! ! ! ! ! |
| 17:58.18 | chem|st | Dassu: hmm many... |
| 17:58.20 | nas_ | EasyDebian -> gimp |
| 17:58.30 | nas_ | and actualy runs quite fast .. |
| 17:59.10 | chem|st | nas_: 1337? |
| 17:59.21 | nas_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.25 | merlin1991 | chem|st h3 d03$n't kn0w wh4t 1337 !$ |
| 18:05.26 | chem|st | merlin1991: h3 d03$ d/-\mn 1337 |
| 18:06.01 | merlin1991 | I think we should stop again :D |
| 18:06.06 | chem|st | ;) |
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| 18:07.31 | chem|st | used to live in a city with car registration DA.. a matte black sportscar with "DA-MN 1337" |
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| 18:11.20 | alterego | Wow, you do an image search on google for "iPhone 4" and you get nothing. |
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| 18:16.32 | chem|st | alterego: 5th picture is an iphone 4 for me |
| 18:16.53 | alterego | The one steve is holding? rubbish |
| 18:17.31 | alterego | This is 5 for me http://iphonesoft.fr/images/iphone-4g-01.jpg |
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| 18:22.59 | pyther | Hi |
| 18:23.18 | pyther | How can I have my phone prompt me to connect to the 2g/3g network using pidgin? |
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| 18:24.54 | trip0 | ptyher: how would the phone "prompt" you? |
| 18:24.57 | trip0 | via IM? |
| 18:25.16 | pyther | basically I want to allow 2g/3g access only to pidgin |
| 18:25.19 | pyther | is this possible? |
| 18:25.23 | trip0 | no |
| 18:25.38 | pyther | Ahh man that sucks |
| 18:25.47 | trip0 | i suppose you could do some fancy iptables stuff |
| 18:25.48 | pyther | someone told me I could do it on a per-application basis |
| 18:26.11 | trip0 | but i have no idea how to do that... |
| 18:26.21 | trip0 | you can always just stop running apps that would use 3g |
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| 18:27.40 | pyther | trip0: hmm that would work, although I do like my weather applet |
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| 18:28.36 | trip0 | pyther, look up the man pages for iptables. you shoudl be able to block all the ports except the ones pidgin uses |
| 18:29.36 | pyther | trip0: I might do that, however my carrier isn't being to friendly to tell me what IM services are bundled under the "Text Messaging" plan |
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| 18:30.46 | trip0 | pyther, i'm not sure of your carrier specifically, but i think generally they will give you a "data" plan which covers IM and all other internet activites |
| 18:31.11 | trip0 | text messaging actually happens over the voice not the data iirc |
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| 18:32.32 | pyther | trip0: my carrier is ATT they want to sell my a data plan, but I don't want it, there unlimited text messaging includes instant messaging |
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| 18:33.25 | trip0 | pyther, its probably "instant messaging" for specific phones. |
| 18:33.38 | trip0 | the n900 does instant messaging over the internet which requires data |
| 18:33.48 | trip0 | or wifi |
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| 18:34.09 | trip0 | i have att as well. i can't even get attwifi on my n900 |
| 18:34.09 | trip0 | :( |
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| 18:34.29 | alterego | They can firewall usage to only allow IM protocols and ports |
| 18:34.31 | pyther | Hmm I thought my LG used 3g probably just safer no to bother with 2g/3g |
| 18:34.42 | benno2 | Hi, does anyone when I launch an app from the application menu, are stdout,stderr redirected to /dev/null ? |
| 18:34.43 | alterego | So, it might work like that with the N900 regardless. |
| 18:35.12 | flailingmonkey | pyther: that plan isn't for data |
| 18:35.16 | pyther | alterego: yah the only problem is I can't get any specs on what ports traffic the blacklist from data charging for IM |
| 18:35.30 | pyther | flailingmonkey: yah I know, I only want to use it for IM |
| 18:35.36 | flailingmonkey | pyther: some at&t phones have IM clients that use SMS to send and receive IMs |
| 18:35.46 | pyther | flailingmonkey: ahh do they really |
| 18:35.54 | pyther | ok that is probably what my LG was using :( |
| 18:35.57 | flailingmonkey | pyther: yes, its a terrible hack |
| 18:36.08 | alterego | And if it's firewall and not some crazy protocol analytics, you might be able to setup an SSH proxy on one of those ports and use it as an unlimited internet copnnection :) |
| 18:36.35 | alterego | Though, if they had their shit they'd probably limit by remote address too. |
| 18:36.59 | pyther | well it is att and they are stingant on their network |
| 18:37.08 | pyther | Can't justify the $15/month |
| 18:37.10 | flailingmonkey | alterego: see above, it is all SMS based |
| 18:37.23 | alterego | flailingmonkey: oh, they have some kind of IM gateway? |
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| 18:38.00 | flailingmonkey | alterego: yeah, that way the feature phone apps just use SMS instead of dealing with IP networking |
| 18:38.14 | alterego | Hmmm, |
| 18:38.28 | alterego | That's interesting, |
| 18:38.47 | alterego | Actually, I'm completely uninterested tbh :) |
| 18:38.58 | alterego | I think everyone should have unlimited mobile internet access. |
| 18:39.21 | alterego | flat rate, let contension ratio decide on bandwidth :) |
| 18:39.29 | flailingmonkey | alterego: of course, but we don't have to engineer their network architecture :P |
| 18:39.36 | alterego | Prioritize emergency services and done. |
| 18:40.09 | alterego | Instead, we get stupid 500Mb limits |
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| 18:40.25 | alterego | I can't work with 500M, I'd need, I estimate at least 5G .. |
| 18:40.44 | flailingmonkey | mobile phone companies don't want to provide internet. its a big can of worms, and doesn't use the infrastructre they had put in for voice |
| 18:40.50 | alterego | This is mainly because my phone is also my home internet connection .. |
| 18:41.04 | flailingmonkey | but they have to because competitors already do |
| 18:41.36 | alterego | flailingmonkey: I don't agree, I think they do want to be ISP's, because they're doing it. And they make a lot of money doing it, and it was they who installed the new data orientated infrastructure to handle it. |
| 18:42.11 | alterego | Mobile telecoms are now internet comms and they need to fully understand that. |
| 18:42.34 | flailingmonkey | new companies can't enter the market because of the barriers to entry due to the very high costs to set up their own infrastructure, and the frequency licenses too |
| 18:43.05 | alterego | The internet is the future, VoIP will take over and it'll all be about data pipes in the end. |
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| 18:43.54 | flailingmonkey | and new companies would orient themselves in that direction. but as I said, they aren't able to enter the market |
| 18:44.26 | flailingmonkey | so the current carriers make decisions to make money from all the infrastructure they already have for voice |
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| 18:45.13 | flailingmonkey | as long as they move as slowly as possible, they minimize competition from each other, and make more money for less cost |
| 18:45.16 | alterego | i love maem |
| 18:45.35 | mlfoster | glezos: Dimitris? time for a quick question about uploading a po file to a project on meego.transifex.net? |
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| 18:53.04 | pyther | Skype can recieve and send sms messages, right? |
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| 18:53.56 | luke-jr | pyther: unlikely |
| 18:54.01 | johns | Hi |
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| 19:36.12 | flailingmonkey | the skype implementation in fremantle, i don't think it supports sms |
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| 20:00.33 | flailingmonkey | bye |
| 20:03.22 | BCMM | gah, street view stopped working |
| 20:05.58 | E0x | is not flash 10 now requierd ? |
| 20:07.43 | Arkenoi | it damn sucks that any received notification resets crtl-shift-R state :-/ |
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| 20:11.10 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ping |
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| 20:34.10 | b-man | ~ping |
| 20:34.11 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:38.09 | alterego | Perfect video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54g6Td0RBE0 |
| 20:38.18 | alterego | 3:40 in |
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| 20:45.51 | lcuk2 | puts 10p in the channel |
| 20:46.04 | MohammadAG51 | starts talking |
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| 20:46.28 | lcuk2 | MohammadAG51, do the words per minute increase based on the number of 10ps? |
| 20:46.46 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk2, nope, only the period of time |
| 20:47.11 | lcuk2 | thats reasonable im quite busy lol |
| 20:47.22 | lcuk2 | will just bob back everynow and then |
| 20:47.29 | MohammadAG51 | aww |
| 20:50.57 | RST38h | swallows 10 pennies and predicts the future |
| 20:51.08 | lcuk2 | oooh, go on then |
| 20:51.24 | lcuk2 | is just unpacking all his stuff and filling desk back up |
| 20:53.55 | RST38h | lcuk: The End is definitely coming. |
| 20:54.00 | RST38h | Good night. |
| 20:54.56 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 20:55.13 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk2, that's what you get for 10p :P |
| 20:57.29 | pyther | Anyone know if there is a way to group contacts? |
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| 21:00.16 | lcuk2 | RST38h, you are meant to shake the balls up |
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| 21:18.14 | alterego | Anyone have any experience with GLES? |
| 21:18.14 | alterego | Am I getting confused about what GLES 2 is? |
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| 21:24.39 | lcuk2 | alterego, hum? |
| 21:24.44 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/nokia-n9-or-something-in-the-wild-8-megapixel-camera-america/ |
| 21:24.57 | wazd | don't think it's n9 |
| 21:25.20 | alterego | lcuk2: well, does GLES 2 only do shaders? Or can I render with primitives too? |
| 21:25.54 | lcuk2 | alterego, gles is entirely shader based afaik |
| 21:26.37 | lcuk2 | wazd whats that |
| 21:26.57 | alterego | Oh, I thought I could use things like GL_TRIANGLES and stuff .. |
| 21:26.57 | wazd | lcuk2: well, since it's marked as c0 :) |
| 21:27.49 | lcuk2 | alterego, i believe you can use the meshes (how else would you build things up) but the texturing and everything is done in shaders |
| 21:28.10 | alterego | Okay, well, I'll see how I get on. |
| 21:28.15 | lcuk2 | wazd, you read far too much into things, hadnt even looked at blurry pixels so closely |
| 21:28.20 | alterego | Managed to set the clear colour and get it to render :) |
| 21:28.40 | alterego | So I know I've got it initialized and working correcly now under the Qt SDK :D |
| 21:29.10 | lcuk2 | +1 |
| 21:30.51 | pupnik_ | nice keyboard there wazd |
| 21:31.28 | wazd | pupnik_: Well, it "looks" fine :) |
| 21:31.36 | pupnik_ | no escape key |
| 21:31.39 | wazd | pupnik_: can't tell how it types though :P |
| 21:32.17 | wazd | I wonder if there's a need to make these keys so wide |
| 21:32.50 | wazd | I've used e63 with tiny keys but with proper form - it worked flawlesly |
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| 21:37.21 | Corsac | pff, why is the updater only presenting details about the *first* update when doing âupdate allâ |
| 21:37.41 | asj_ | alterego: look up Qt/3D if you're going a lot of opengl stuff, it might be helpful |
| 21:41.47 | alterego | m'kay |
| 21:41.52 | alterego | asj_: thanx |
| 21:42.08 | wazd | damn, we have crazy heat in here |
| 21:42.33 | wazd | 26 C at night :( |
| 21:43.02 | wazd | Moscow moved to California or something :) |
| 21:43.43 | jacekowski | it's warm here as well |
| 21:44.21 | Corsac | is there a clean way to restart hildon desktop? |
| 21:44.27 | Corsac | (besides rebooting, and killing it :) |
| 21:46.06 | MohammadAG51 | killing it is clean |
| 21:46.54 | Corsac | what can I kill safely? hildon-desktop, hildon-home? |
| 21:47.03 | MohammadAG51 | killall hildon-desktop |
| 21:47.09 | MohammadAG51 | hildon-home is for widgets only |
| 21:47.21 | MohammadAG51 | killing it repeatedly removes 3rd party widgets |
| 21:48.12 | Corsac | thanks |
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| 21:53.03 | Corsac | 17452 1202 user S 25132 10.2 0.0 /usr/sbin/browserd -s 17452 -n RTComMessagingServer |
| 21:53.08 | Corsac | that's a bit too much, sir! |
| 21:53.33 | MohammadAG51 | that's the conversations app |
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| 21:54.39 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: RSS does not mean anything |
| 21:54.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
| 21:54.55 | Corsac | sure but 10% mem is not rss |
| 21:54.56 | SpeedEvil | get taht |
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| 21:55.24 | alterego | silly shell account down time :( |
| 21:55.24 | SpeedEvil | sorry - what's that from? |
| 21:55.27 | Corsac | no package? |
| 21:55.30 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: top |
| 21:55.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:55.38 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: no. |
| 21:55.46 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: It's just a python script |
| 21:55.50 | Corsac | ok |
| 21:56.10 | alterego | I suppose I should learn about shaders then :( |
| 21:56.18 | alterego | starts to feel a bit daunted |
| 21:56.40 | alterego | Anyone know a good tutorial? |
| 21:56.46 | Macer | hm |
| 21:56.58 | SpeedEvil | If you can't install a python script, then to quote the godfather 'you are dead to me!'. |
| 21:57.01 | Macer | wonder if there is a way to play mkvs on this xbox360 |
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| 21:57.51 | MohammadAG51 | well, natively? I doubt it, stream it with TVersity or something :) |
| 21:58.16 | MohammadAG51 | P.S. i'm not responsible for the extra heat from your PC |
| 21:58.38 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: http://paste.debian.net/78800/ |
| 22:00.13 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 22:00.27 | MohammadAG51 | my camera doesn't start unless I purge camera-ui and reinstall it |
| 22:01.37 | pyther | Can I access my home folder from the usb cable? |
| 22:01.54 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: USS = unique set size - pages that that process has uniquely mapped. PSS = proportional set size - USS+ its share of all the libraries that have been mapped by all processes. |
| 22:02.02 | SpeedEvil | pyther: not simply using mount as mass storage. |
| 22:02.21 | luke-jr | pyther: in theory |
| 22:02.27 | SpeedEvil | pyther: you can setup USB networking, and access via sshfs, or whatever. |
| 22:03.00 | pyther | If I install ssh server can I toggle the service on/off? |
| 22:03.13 | pyther | I need to copy my ssh public key to my server |
| 22:03.26 | MohammadAG51 | stop sshd / start sshd? |
| 22:03.44 | pyther | hmm that would work, does it startup by default? |
| 22:03.52 | lcuk2 | MohammadAG51, you have screwed up your install |
| 22:03.57 | lcuk2 | return your geek card |
| 22:04.18 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: still browserd uses 10% of the ram |
| 22:04.25 | Corsac | with nothing running but the widgets |
| 22:04.30 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: yes. |
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| 22:05.30 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: err - rather no. |
| 22:05.52 | SpeedEvil | I'm seeing 13550K PSS - which is somewhat below 10% |
| 22:06.08 | SpeedEvil | browserd does not run widgets |
| 22:06.37 | SpeedEvil | browserd is - as I understand it the core of the browser, conversations app, 'bookmarks' app, and some other apps |
| 22:07.01 | SpeedEvil | It is not - quite - doing nothing - it's preloaded so they will launch faster. |
| 22:08.06 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, it says RTCOM, so the "10" is all from the convos app |
| 22:08.17 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk2, nooo :( |
| 22:08.46 | Corsac | which is not running atm |
| 22:08.52 | SpeedEvil | It's ready to run |
| 22:08.58 | MohammadAG51 | guess I'll have to reflash |
| 22:09.00 | MohammadAG51 | what he said |
| 22:09.08 | SpeedEvil | you can stop it. |
| 22:09.33 | Corsac | well, killing it will just restart it too, so I guess there's another way? |
| 22:09.43 | MohammadAG51 | dsmetool -k maybe |
| 22:09.47 | SpeedEvil | I _think_ killing browserd 3 times in three minutes will stop it relaunching, and not dog the device. |
| 22:09.57 | SpeedEvil | otherwise dsmetool maybe |
| 22:10.02 | lcuk2 | this isnt candyman |
| 22:10.05 | Corsac | (not that I don't like to have it running, it's just that the device seems less and less responsive, it lags during playback, etc. |
| 22:10.23 | Corsac | ok, maybe it was never intended to last 12 days |
| 22:10.24 | MohammadAG51 | i'd use watch -n 1 killall -9 browserd :P |
| 22:10.27 | Corsac | :)) |
| 22:10.43 | SpeedEvil | lcuk2: Many of the services started reboot the device on a software watchdog if they die too often |
| 22:11.06 | lcuk2 | SpeedEvil, i know, but the way you described it is a bit :D |
| 22:11.16 | MohammadAG51 | how do i check what apps are using audio? |
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| 22:11.26 | Corsac | lsof maybe ? |
| 22:11.30 | MohammadAG51 | the cam app keeps saying audio in use by another application |
| 22:11.41 | MohammadAG51 | lsof for audio? |
| 22:11.42 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: stop pulseaudio |
| 22:11.45 | SpeedEvil | startpulseaudio |
| 22:11.52 | Corsac | MohammadAG51: to check what uses /dev/snd |
| 22:11.57 | MohammadAG51 | oh |
| 22:11.59 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, sec |
| 22:12.00 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 22:12.00 | Corsac | but if only PA uses it, that won't help :/ |
| 22:12.03 | SpeedEvil | that won't help at all |
| 22:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: fail |
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| 22:12.18 | pyther | Will running sshd eat up more of the battery life? |
| 22:12.23 | lcuk2 | MohammadAG51, check the cam pp you keep deleting and reinstalling isnt actually originally still being run |
| 22:12.23 | SpeedEvil | pyther: no |
| 22:12.32 | SpeedEvil | pyther: unless used, it's completely idle |
| 22:12.42 | lcuk2 | do a battery popping reboot and see if normality returns |
| 22:12.46 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, it didn't help :) |
| 22:12.57 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk2, nope, it's been like this for 2 days |
| 22:12.58 | pyther | SpeedEvil: ah cool so then I don't need to worry about it :D |
| 22:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~ MohammadAG51 |
| 22:13.37 | MohammadAG51 | Ha! |
| 22:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~ MohammadAg |
| 22:13.42 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is special |
| 22:13.48 | lcuk2 | MohammadAG51, do your friends ever come to you with computer problems and whilst they are showing you the problem it magically vanishes? |
| 22:13.58 | Corsac | (always) |
| 22:14.13 | SpeedEvil | pyther: I have had - as a test - sshed into phone, asking its battery life every 5 mins - and had it last 4 days+ |
| 22:14.14 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk2, sometimes xD |
| 22:14.30 | lcuk2 | MohammadAG51, then, give friend n900 and get them to explain problem to you! |
| 22:14.41 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 22:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's called murphey's law first exponent |
| 22:14.56 | lcuk2 | Corsac, the real reason is because they think logically about the steps and dont shortcut whilst explaining |
| 22:14.57 | MohammadAG51 | I seriously need to fix this though :) |
| 22:15.21 | Corsac | lcuk2: no, that's because of my good vibrations |
| 22:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you broke it, like always |
| 22:15.55 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I'm not saying I didn't :D |
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| 22:26.04 | pupnik_ | cheers to nokia for making devices with nice keyboards |
| 22:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 22:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | they messed up the matrix :-S |
| 22:26.48 | pupnik_ | what is 'the matrix'? |
| 22:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | tha magic thing that makes your kbd work |
| 22:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl-shift-k/j can't be distunguished (or similar and even more combos), as they messed it up for no need |
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| 22:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | n-key rollover problem |
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| 22:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | they wasted row/col lines on NC, while the qualifier keys had urgently needed their own dedicated wires |
| 22:29.49 | Lantizia | Hey... how can I add a remote calendar on the N900? |
| 22:30.09 | Lantizia | According to http://maemo.nokia.com/features/calendar/ it is possible to sync with a work calendar |
| 22:30.19 | Lantizia | over the air |
| 22:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | or in short: they missed to show me the prototype and get their OK from me :-P |
| 22:32.01 | Corsac | Lantizia: yeah, over bluetooth with syncml |
| 22:32.14 | Lantizia | Corsac, Pants :( So no CalDAV support? |
| 22:32.15 | ShadowJK | does it work for mfe? |
| 22:32.18 | Corsac | Lantizia: no |
| 22:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: huh? |
| 22:32.37 | Lantizia | Corsac, Double Pants :( :( Any app I can add for that? |
| 22:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sorry sir? |
| 22:32.42 | ShadowJK | mail for exchange |
| 22:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: wtf has kbd matrix to do with mfe |
| 22:33.04 | Lantizia | Does CalDAV sound like exchange!? |
| 22:33.20 | ShadowJK | dockane, nothing. |
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| 22:33.28 | ShadowJK | sorry, DocScrutinizer: nothing. |
| 22:33.29 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 22:34.10 | Corsac | Lantizia: not sure |
| 22:34.11 | Lantizia | Corsac, Hang on... on the example calendars I've got they all say their "Local"... does that mean if they're "Remote" it just means bluetooth? I don't even see an option for even adding a bluetooth calendar |
| 22:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | bah, need offtime |
| 22:34.39 | Corsac | Lantizia: I've opened a brainstorm for that |
| 22:34.40 | Corsac | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/caldav_support_for_maemo_calendar/ |
| 22:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | my spam filters are too tight, to remove load off the main processing. So I missed the interleaving lines |
| 22:35.13 | ShadowJK | Shortly after I unboxed N900 I synced it with my previous phone Nokia E75 over bluetooth, and the calendar was imported iirc |
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| 22:35.21 | Corsac | Lantizia: it's not bluetooth calendar |
| 22:35.24 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah that happens |
| 22:35.34 | Corsac | there's just one (and only one) calendar which can be sync'ed using syncML protocol |
| 22:36.14 | Lantizia | Corsac, so if the Calendar ever did have a calendar listed as "Remote" (since it knows of "Local" ones)... it would be from where? Bluetooth / Exchange ? |
| 22:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: quite understandable oops, as you got a highlight on my IRC. So I failed to notice this ping wasn't addressed to me |
| 22:36.52 | Corsac | Lantizia: there's no such thing as remote calendar |
| 22:37.01 | Lantizia | Corsac, then why list the example ones as Local! |
| 22:37.03 | Corsac | Lantizia: only types are local, synchronised, smart |
| 22:37.12 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I'm honored |
| 22:37.20 | Corsac | and you only have one sync and one smart ones, afaik |
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| 22:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | I know to pick the gems |
| 22:37.30 | Corsac | all the calendars you can create are local |
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| 22:38.22 | Corsac | I'm not sure what soft will Meego use for calendaring/email, if it's the same thing as Meego Netbook, it's evolution which have support for all that |
| 22:38.38 | Corsac | but I'm not sure it'll be that |
| 22:38.56 | Lantizia | Is it me or has the Search function disappeared in Application Manager? |
| 22:39.08 | Corsac | I guess it'll either be modest+calendar, or another rewrite in Qt which will have again shitloads of bugs and will misses every useful function |
| 22:39.16 | Corsac | Lantizia: just browse and then type directly |
| 22:40.17 | ShadowJK | there's some evolution components on N900 too |
| 22:40.26 | Lantizia | installs GPE Calendar |
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| 22:44.59 | Arkenoi | mkv playback on n900 mplayer just sucks. don't know why :-( tried to watch new futurama season and it failed -- sound out of sync, numerous artifacts.. |
| 22:49.51 | microlith | Arkenoi: mplayer from the repostiroy? |
| 22:49.56 | microlith | repository* |
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| 22:50.46 | Arkenoi | microlith, yep. are there any recommended options? |
| 22:51.30 | microlith | not sure, but I know that mplayer isn't using the DSP so it will suffer from various issues including audio lag |
| 22:51.40 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:52.02 | microlith | moreso if your video is high quality and higher resolution than the N900 |
| 22:52.43 | Arkenoi | it is just 720x480 |
| 22:53.05 | Arkenoi | and n900 is 1,1GHz |
| 22:53.08 | microlith | how big is the file? |
| 22:53.38 | Arkenoi | ~300Mb, as one may expect for 20min video |
| 22:54.04 | Corsac | dotblank: grooveshark works pretty fine here too |
| 22:54.26 | microlith | Arkenoi: well I'm pretty sure that mplayer is probably complaining on the console about the CPU being too slow |
| 22:54.34 | Arkenoi | i can upload it to an http server so you may try it ;-) |
| 22:55.04 | microlith | I haven't tried many command line options, and h.264 is a seriously cpu intensive codec |
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| 22:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I'm temped to kick you for this silly statement |
| 22:59.10 | Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/Futurama_6_season_%5btfile.ru%5d/Futurama.%20Season%206.%20Episode%201.mkv |
| 22:59.15 | Arkenoi | just try it :-/ |
| 23:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | I FOR *SURE* will NOT try to overclock my 600MHz rated SoC to 1100MHz >:-O |
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| 23:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | I rather would try to operate 110V devices on 230V |
| 23:01.05 | Arkenoi | well, you may try it on 600MHz as well |
| 23:01.39 | Arkenoi | actually according to time stats it is just 3-5% in > 600MHz state |
| 23:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | Or I may understand that as "try to kick me, see what it gets you" :-P |
| 23:02.24 | Lantizia | PA PING! http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/playboy_telka.jpg |
| 23:02.27 | pupnik_ | Arkenoi: just transcode em |
| 23:02.29 | Lantizia | not work safe :) |
| 23:02.35 | Lantizia | blame Arkenoi :) |
| 23:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | WTF, complaining about artifacts when even memory is way beyond any sane timing |
| 23:03.11 | pupnik_ | Lantizia: even beautiful nudes are offtopic |
| 23:03.23 | Lantizia | YOU LOOKED! :O |
| 23:03.39 | ShadowJK | Well, sound out of sync is what usually happens when there's insufficient processing power |
| 23:03.46 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, everything other works, i had never seen any problems with other video |
| 23:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I don't argue with overclockers |
| 23:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking |
| 23:04.50 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 23:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~this |
| 23:05.16 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, this is evil. Kill it! |
| 23:05.31 | Lantizia | Arkenoi, will try your file in a few moments |
| 23:05.48 | ptl | with no sauce? Who will want a tasteless fried CPU? |
| 23:05.49 | Lantizia | pretty sure this should play OK... I've played MKV like this before ok |
| 23:05.58 | ShadowJK | Arkenoi, the limit for MPlayer on N900 is about 512x384 h264, maybe less if there's AAC too |
| 23:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | microlith gave the perfect answer |
| 23:06.19 | ptl | Arkenoi: have you tried VLC? |
| 23:06.32 | luke-jr | Arkenoi: my *desktop* can't play HD h.264 |
| 23:06.50 | Arkenoi | ptl: is it already in the extras-devel? |
| 23:06.59 | ptl | Arkenoi: nope |
| 23:07.04 | luke-jr | actually, it can, if I kill everything else and disable a bunch of post-processing... |
| 23:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-26 00:51:30] <microlith> not sure, but I know that mplayer isn't using the DSP so it will suffer from various issues including audio lag - for the ones that need a line twice to read it once |
| 23:07.11 | luke-jr | and enable framedropping |
| 23:07.14 | ptl | Arkenoi: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=728146&postcount=231 (btw, it's optified) |
| 23:07.23 | luke-jr | but my desktop is 2.2 GHz |
| 23:07.29 | luke-jr | double that 1.1 OC'd crap |
| 23:07.47 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, post-processing is 99% stupid with h264 |
| 23:07.51 | ptl | CPU frequencies are not that comparable across platforms |
| 23:07.51 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: sure |
| 23:08.00 | luke-jr | ptl: not even within platforms |
| 23:08.03 | ShadowJK | The post-processing is built into h264, in-loop |
| 23:08.10 | luke-jr | but 2.2 is (almost) always much better than 1.1 |
| 23:08.11 | luke-jr | :) |
| 23:08.22 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: that's the post-processing I disable, I think |
| 23:08.28 | ShadowJK | ah, |
| 23:08.30 | ptl | yes, true. |
| 23:08.47 | ShadowJK | core2 is a few factors faster per clock than Cortex A8 :) |
| 23:08.55 | luke-jr | really? |
| 23:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | damn, use madia player and forget that shit |
| 23:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | media even |
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| 23:09.29 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, yes |
| 23:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | the DSP is there for a reason |
| 23:09.46 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: either Intel drastically improved after P4, or ARM sucks |
| 23:10.08 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well, the DSP codec only does h264 baseline profile, and most files in the "wild" use h264 high profile :) |
| 23:10.16 | Arkenoi | luke-jr, both ;-) |
| 23:10.34 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, P4 was worse than P3 per-clock |
| 23:10.36 | ShadowJK | much worse |
| 23:10.39 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I know |
| 23:10.53 | luke-jr | my 800 MHz P3 used to beat out the 2 GHz P4 IIRC |
| 23:11.11 | ShadowJK | core2 is just brutal per clock when you compare to P4 |
| 23:11.26 | luke-jr | I credit AMD with Intel making a comeback at all |
| 23:11.37 | luke-jr | Intel always had the resources, they just got lazy |
| 23:11.46 | haltdef | ditched p4 entirely and based the core arch on p3 didn't they |
| 23:12.06 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 23:12.07 | luke-jr | I really wish I could run Intel procs native thouhg |
| 23:12.13 | luke-jr | that is, without the x86 emulation layer |
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| 23:12.23 | ShadowJK | P3 was never dead, it came back as P-M, and then P-M evolved into core and core2 |
| 23:12.29 | luke-jr | but I suppose that layer might include the MMU and such necessary things... |
| 23:13.00 | ShadowJK | Well.. compilers probably know what instructions are emulated and which ones aren't ;) |
| 23:13.02 | luke-jr | still, would be nice to replace it with a simpler instruction set |
| 23:13.06 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 23:13.14 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: IIRC, 100% of x86 is emulated on the latest Intel designs |
| 23:13.18 | Kegetys | you could reverse-engineer the bytecode and write your own ;) |
| 23:13.29 | luke-jr | Kegetys: I wouldn't know where to begin doing that |
| 23:13.36 | Corsac | yeah, internally they are just RISC |
| 23:13.41 | Corsac | risc is good |
| 23:13.44 | Corsac | risc is beautiful |
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| 23:13.52 | Kegetys | microcode, not bytecode |
| 23:13.54 | luke-jr | Corsac: any idea if it's practical to run Linux natively on the RISC core? |
| 23:14.01 | Arkenoi | why intel did not open it? |
| 23:14.05 | luke-jr | microcode is just a kind of bytecode |
| 23:14.51 | Corsac | luke-jr: it's not available for anyone, asfaik |
| 23:15.01 | Corsac | s/as/a/ |
| 23:15.04 | luke-jr | Corsac: ? |
| 23:15.14 | Corsac | luke-jr: the risc is only exposed internally |
| 23:15.16 | Arkenoi | actually most overdesigned CISC CPUs run RISC-like microcode inside |
| 23:15.24 | luke-jr | Corsac: with Intel's microcode, yes |
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| 23:15.28 | Arkenoi | ibm Z and even ancient VAX did it |
| 23:15.46 | luke-jr | Corsac: what if you uploaded a trivial microcode that ignored that limitation? |
| 23:15.47 | arachnist | luke-jr: x86 was emulated on ibm chips ever since pentiums and p2's |
| 23:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | what are you dudes talking about?? :-o |
| 23:15.52 | Corsac | luke-jr: you can't |
| 23:15.54 | arachnist | s/ibm/intel/ |
| 23:15.58 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, we never even had linux running natively on the Transmeta core.. and that was a much more radical design than intel |
| 23:16.03 | Corsac | luke-jr: very few people in the world even know how the microcode is protected |
| 23:16.19 | luke-jr | Corsac: you can't just upload arbitrary microcode? O.o |
| 23:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: There is an angry bear in there. |
| 23:16.26 | Corsac | luke-jr: no |
| 23:16.28 | luke-jr | :( |
| 23:16.30 | luke-jr | lame |
| 23:16.33 | Corsac | luke-jr: it's encrypted and protected |
| 23:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | turning X86 into ARM by patching the microcode patch area? |
| 23:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | or what? |
| 23:16.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, modern CPUs translate the x86 instruction set into their own internal instruction set, luke wants to run linux on the internal instruction set |
| 23:16.47 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: And possibly more important - utterly undocumented |
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| 23:16.55 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: nah, just want to expose the native instruction set |
| 23:16.58 | Corsac | luke-jr: security-wise, it's not a bad idea though :) |
| 23:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | you can't do that |
| 23:17.11 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: yes, I mean even at intel very few people know about this |
| 23:17.13 | luke-jr | why waste cycles on emulation? :) |
| 23:17.41 | Lantizia | Arkenoi, for me that MKV file isn't even recognized as supported by the Media Player... and mplayer-cli just gives a black screen |
| 23:17.43 | luke-jr | how often do we emulate on an emulator? :P |
| 23:17.52 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Doing that would basically mean you would need to make a new code generation engine and complete distribution for each processor. |
| 23:17.54 | Kegetys | most likely all different cpu models also have their own internal instructions or at least variations to it, you'd need to reverse-engineer all of them and make special code for every cpu |
| 23:17.58 | ShadowJK | It's not wasted cycles really :-) |
| 23:17.59 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: sweet |
| 23:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: SpeedEvil: and it's SMALL |
| 23:18.10 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I'm all for a diverse CPU ecosystem |
| 23:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | a fsckng small patch area to patch the rom microcode |
| 23:18.23 | SpeedEvil | throws z80s and 8031s at luke-jr. |
| 23:18.31 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm unsure. |
| 23:18.36 | ShadowJK | Unless you use a command that's entirely made up of microcode, in which case there's no "native" op anyway |
| 23:18.40 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: RAM can be faster than ROM |
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| 23:19.05 | SpeedEvil | And given constrained busses, yuou probably don't want to run microcode programs anyway |
| 23:19.36 | SpeedEvil | sighs at his internet falling over again. |
| 23:20.33 | luke-jr | moo |
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| 23:22.02 | SpeedEvil | oow |
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| 23:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | there's a "hardwired" set of microinstructions inside X86 core, that determines how to process one machine opcode from external RAM. And there's a small fast ram patch area to 'overload" particular microcode sniplets |
| 23:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | the microcode most probably is VLIW |
| 23:24.19 | SpeedEvil | sure |
| 23:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | so no way to expose the microcode to the RAM interface so the opcode pipe and whatnot would read VLIW microcode instead of generic X86 opcode from RAM |
| 23:24.34 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how large the patch area is, in normal functionality |
| 23:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | s/opcode pipe/instruction lookahead and decode engine/ |
| 23:25.01 | SpeedEvil | If it implements most instructions from uops, then in principle, it could be quite interesting. |
| 23:25.45 | SpeedEvil | For example, there may be no microcode 'ROM' - it may be all loaded from a slow internal ROM to fast RAM in the microcode area. |
| 23:25.54 | SpeedEvil | And you can replace this RAM. |
| 23:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | check your firmware drawer in your /boot or whatever, on you 86-box. There's a file called microcode.bin or whatever. It's probably fullsize of the patch ram area |
| 23:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I agree it *might* be interesting *if* you knew about the particular meaning down to the gate a bit in a VLIW controls. Ack for bootloading from rom to patch ram though |
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| 23:30.02 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 23:31.19 | SpeedEvil | And this of course neglects the rather large fact that given the complete spec of the microcode, how to code it, and keys to upload the signed file - it would be man-decades of work probbaly. |
| 23:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.5-0.1/arch/x86/kernel/microcode_intel.c |
| 23:34.08 | arachnist | i wonder how close to the alpha-axp were the athlon-xp cpus |
| 23:34.37 | arachnist | at least when ommiting the x86 translation "layer" |
| 23:34.49 | arachnist | and lack of several registers |
| 23:36.15 | ssvb | luke-jr: x86 instruction set also works as some kind of code compression (instructions have variable length), so it could be a good thing overall |
| 23:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | sudo get_me_a_cheezburger |
| 23:37.46 | ShadowJK | instruction cache |
| 23:38.24 | ssvb | ARM uses an alternative thumb/thumb2 instructions encoding for the purpose of reducing code size, it really helps |
| 23:39.25 | SpeedEvil | Is thumb actually used on - say - the n900? |
| 23:39.28 | SpeedEvil | with gcc |
| 23:40.28 | ssvb | ShadowJK: right, but but cache sizes are definitely not infinite and not free (increase chip cost and power consumption) |
| 23:41.02 | ShadowJK | ssvb, because they are not infinite, smaller code size becomes faster |
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| 23:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's the idea of CISC |
| 23:42.24 | ssvb | btw, my core2 processor has 4x higher clock frequency than N900, and 16x bigger L2 cache |
| 23:42.34 | ssvb | guess who is the winner? |
| 23:43.01 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 23:43.23 | ShadowJK | ssvb, how long does it run on 3.7Wh battery? :) |
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| 23:44.36 | ssvb | well, the point is that pure CPU speed is not the only contributing factor to overall performance, cache sizes and memory bandwidth also play a huge role |
| 23:46.30 | ssvb | especially if the frequently accessed data set of some application fully fits into the cache for one processor, but does not for the other one |
| 23:47.02 | SpeedEvil | In some cases, this can be silly. |
| 23:47.31 | SpeedEvil | I implemented a _stupid_ little 'language' that just understood operations involved in some sorts of crypto. |
| 23:47.45 | SpeedEvil | - shifts, adds, xor, ... |
| 23:48.12 | SpeedEvil | It was interpreted, yet significantly faster than raw machine code - simply as it fitted in the small L1 cache. |
| 23:48.23 | SpeedEvil | Along with all the working set of the data. |
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| 23:50.55 | pwnguin | it just seems funny that google does all this crazy optimizations for performance, like dalvik and suspend multitasking when maemo seems to get by on the same hardware without it |
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| 23:51.10 | ssvb | SpeedEvil: regarding thumb on n900, it has some nasty hardware bugs and is not used |
| 23:51.29 | ssvb | cortex-a8 is the first processor to introduce thumb2 support, so it's not very surprising |
| 23:52.44 | ssvb | and AFAIK omap3 was the first SoC to use it and has an early revision of cortex-a8 |
| 23:53.23 | SpeedEvil | ssvb: ah |
| 23:54.01 | ssvb | hopefully thumb2 has a bright future in the newer ARM processors such as cortex-a9, and the compilers will also improve over time |
| 23:54.09 | SpeedEvil | pwnguin: Do androids dream of electric shee, or suffer audio skips when installing programs? |
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| 23:54.38 | MohammadAG51 | symbian doesn't stutter when installing apps |
| 23:54.43 | MohammadAG51 | neither does the iPhone |
| 23:55.35 | ShadowJK | symbian isn't usable when installing apps... |
| 23:55.36 | ShadowJK | (IME) |
| 23:55.46 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 23:56.05 | MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, tbh it is usuable |
| 23:56.08 | MohammadAG51 | -a |
| 23:56.39 | MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, but it closes all apps in the bg :P |
| 23:57.01 | ShadowJK | without programs running what use is it.. |
| 23:57.07 | SpeedEvil | gconftool --dump /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes |
| 23:57.13 | SpeedEvil | wjhat is the proper form of this command? |
| 23:58.42 | pwnguin | SpeedEvil: from what i hear, android isn't very skippy period |
| 23:59.26 | pwnguin | wonders if the old renice standby would fix audio skips much |
