| 00:00.13 | SpeedEvil | ptl: the CPU temp I suspect is not greatly affecting that. |
| 00:00.23 | SpeedEvil | ptl: what were you doing at this time? |
| 00:00.47 | SpeedEvil | ptl: as the cell modem and wifi will use the same as teh CPU flat-out sometimes |
| 00:01.03 | ptl | SpeedEvil: uploading a video to youtube, using nethogs wlan0 to see upload taxes, using X-Chat and tree more browser windows open on talk.maemo.org, only that |
| 00:01.13 | ptl | *three more browser |
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| 00:01.53 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:03.05 | SpeedEvil | That's going to be using the wlan flat out, and the CPU flat out too, and the backlight too |
| 00:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Though the backlight doesn't heat the board |
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| 00:13.29 | alludus | Hi, what for is file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 on n900. Can i change keyboardmapping from there? |
| 00:14.04 | MohammadAG51 | heritage from the RX-44 I guess |
| 00:14.08 | MohammadAG51 | keep it anyways |
| 00:14.52 | SpeedEvil | The 44 was an early unreleased proto? |
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| 00:15.53 | alludus | I cant really figure our how to change Å(Aring) key to Alt key... |
| 00:16.28 | Lantizia | Can the N900 ovi maps do voices and driving mode? |
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| 00:16.47 | SpeedEvil | Lantizia: Not on n900, as I understand it. |
| 00:16.56 | alludus | is there any memo where it shows key codes like (key <AB08>) is this key on kb |
| 00:16.57 | SpeedEvil | Lantizia: It does on others as I understand it. |
| 00:17.05 | Lantizia | thought as much, can you recommend any other map apps that can for the N900 ? |
| 00:17.23 | SpeedEvil | there is sygic |
| 00:17.27 | SpeedEvil | I think |
| 00:17.31 | SpeedEvil | that's the only one |
| 00:17.45 | SpeedEvil | Well - then there are various openstreetmap and other stuff. |
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| 00:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Is htere a picasa sharing plugin? |
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| 00:29.16 | alludus | ohh i got it now >.< |
| 00:29.21 | alludus | stupid me |
| 00:30.37 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, sharing-service-picasa |
| 00:31.08 | SpeedEvil | Curse these impossible-to-decipher names! |
| 00:31.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:31.38 | MohammadAG51 | :D |
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| 00:32.05 | SpeedEvil | Reading state information... Done |
| 00:32.08 | SpeedEvil | E: Handler silently failed |
| 00:32.08 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 00:32.34 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, ovi |
| 00:32.43 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 00:32.53 | MohammadAG51 | user/hidden to be more precise |
| 00:33.06 | MohammadAG51 | some version of apt broke installs from there |
| 00:33.15 | MohammadAG51 | i have a reversed deb - somewhere |
| 00:34.18 | SpeedEvil | hmm - ovi.com is timing out for me |
| 00:37.03 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb |
| 00:37.43 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, or edit ~/home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager and set red pill mode and red pill mode permanent to 1 |
| 00:38.03 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 00:38.12 | SpeedEvil | what does red pill mode do |
| 00:38.33 | MohammadAG51 | enable red pill, the package would show up in app manager |
| 00:38.38 | MohammadAG51 | but that's too slow |
| 00:39.24 | MohammadAG51 | Night |
| 00:39.24 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:39.25 | asj | OSM can't do routing yet though :( |
| 00:39.26 | SpeedEvil | night |
| 00:39.29 | MohammadAG51 | :) |
| 00:39.37 | SpeedEvil | asj: you can do routing ont he data |
| 00:39.39 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, pin apt when you install my deb |
| 00:39.45 | SpeedEvil | asj: there are several services that do |
| 00:39.56 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 00:39.58 | asj | SpeedEvil: sorry, I stated that to generically, you can not route with the n900 |
| 00:40.10 | asj | and do turn-by-turn |
| 00:40.27 | SpeedEvil | I had a voice nav app on the n900 |
| 00:40.35 | SpeedEvil | but I lost it when I reflashed pr1.0 |
| 00:40.39 | SpeedEvil | and I haven't rewritten |
| 00:40.55 | SpeedEvil | 3 line dbus-monitor+awk+espeak |
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| 00:42.09 | asj | SpeedEvil: there's ebough dbus info flowing out from ovi maps? or some other app? that's interesting |
| 00:42.36 | SpeedEvil | no - just positio |
| 00:42.37 | SpeedEvil | n |
| 00:42.49 | asj | ah ok |
| 00:42.58 | SpeedEvil | It was a very silly 'left'/right warmer/colder thing |
| 00:43.09 | asj | ah ok |
| 00:43.52 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
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| 00:53.24 | crashanddie | List of reasons why you shouldn't be afraid to leave me with your kids: "Number 3: I never killed anyone by accident." <-- somehow, that's not a very good argument. |
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| 01:04.58 | crashanddie | damn, I really hate the summer break |
| 01:05.31 | crashanddie | all the good shows stop, and the best shows that remain air episodes like droplets in a river |
| 01:07.15 | crashanddie | and in other news, a drunk driver trapped after overturning his car cracked open another can of beer while he waited for emergency crews to rescue him. |
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| 01:36.07 | ptl | oh, come on |
| 01:36.14 | ptl | and I thought android had useful applications |
| 01:36.26 | Rabidus | hi |
| 01:36.26 | ptl | just took a walk on androlib.com and saw only stupid apps |
| 01:36.32 | ptl | now I just stumbled on this: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-teknoraver-FiCm.aspx |
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| 01:36.43 | ptl | N900 has way more useful applications |
| 01:36.51 | Rabidus | "the page cannot be found" |
| 01:37.10 | Rabidus | oh sorry, it was next line timestamp |
| 01:37.45 | ptl | ? |
| 01:38.16 | Rabidus | sry, not related to you directly |
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| 01:45.44 | e-yes | ptl, stop advert your favorite application |
| 01:47.42 | ptl | ok, I will |
| 01:47.47 | ptl | lol |
| 01:47.59 | ptl | let's do it for maemo! |
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| 02:03.17 | Kleggas | well, think I read some time ago somewhere about attempts to make a selfcharging battery based on movement. That app could be really good to have around then ;) |
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| 02:30.48 | crashanddie | Oh the irony of a Android-dedicated website running ASP |
| 02:31.12 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: gimme thanks |
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| 02:32.12 | GAN900 | crashanddie, for? |
| 02:32.26 | crashanddie | GAN900: dunno, just see you browsing topics I've posted in |
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| 02:41.32 | pyther | Just got my N900 today, was wondering if there was native support for AIM and MSN |
| 02:42.03 | asj | pyther: yes, install the extra IM plugins |
| 02:43.51 | pigeon | speaking of which, which msn plugin do you people use? haze or butterfly or pecan? |
| 02:46.03 | pyther | asj: do I need the pidgin plugin stuff? |
| 02:46.26 | asj | pyther: mmmm, don't think so, you want the Conversations extra plugins |
| 02:46.46 | asj | pyther: might be in extras-testing? (devel?) |
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| 02:48.05 | pyther | maybe this "Pidgin protocols plugin for Conversations and Contacts" |
| 02:49.35 | asj | pyther: yeah that sounds good |
| 02:52.02 | luke-jr | pyther: better off not usign them :) |
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| 02:55.19 | pyther | haha |
| 02:55.40 | pyther | Is there a good intro guide on configuring the N900? |
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| 03:05.31 | e-yes | special "thanks" for irc plugin for conversation, very useful. |
| 03:08.05 | e-yes | actually, is there any alternative that "know" about notification facilities (sound/lights) of n900? |
| 03:08.24 | pyther | Stupid question but how can i set a profile? |
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| 03:13.35 | asj | pyther: push the power button, or touch the battery |
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| 03:20.57 | pyther | asj: perfect thanks |
| 03:21.12 | pyther | can't wait for my case to come so I can actually start using it |
| 03:21.24 | pyther | asj: is possbile to create an additional profile? |
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| 03:23.45 | asj | pyther: heh, no |
| 03:24.41 | pyther | that is disappointing, oh well |
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| 04:45.59 | pigeon | pyther,asj: you can with tweakr |
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| 05:03.47 | nan | anytime |
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| 05:10.48 | Stskeeps | morn andre__ |
| 05:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | mo Stskeeps |
| 05:12.01 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: do you think it's incident the NITs use 'u' to enter bootloader flashmode, just like uBoot based devices do? |
| 05:12.55 | andre__ | Stskeeps, heja! |
| 05:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | 'u' could mean 'update' as well. But I always thought it's 'uBoot' |
| 05:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | i.e is NOLO == uBoot+/-x ? |
| 05:16.19 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, i think it's incident |
| 05:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, a pity :-D |
| 05:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | no lever to as for source of NOLO ;-) |
| 05:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | ask* |
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| 05:22.16 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well. NOLO is signed and hence you can't replace it, why bother having the source? |
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| 05:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about that |
| 05:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | not convinced to be precise |
| 05:23.23 | Stskeeps | i'm quite sure |
| 05:23.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:24.00 | Corsac | who does the nolo sign check? |
| 05:24.09 | Stskeeps | OMAP HS rom, i believe |
| 05:24.23 | Corsac | and what does it do if the check fails? it'll refuse to boot? |
| 05:24.39 | Corsac | (a bit like TPM?) |
| 05:24.42 | magic_silver_box | dont worry |
| 05:24.47 | magic_silver_box | i have carrots |
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| 05:24.59 | Corsac | does that use trustzone, or is it a standard arm feature? |
| 05:25.16 | Stskeeps | dunno, i just know it's there and not to fuck with it :P |
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| 05:30.31 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: think I can get the Maemo calendar working in tonal? XD |
| 05:31.05 | tekojo | morning! |
| 05:31.05 | luke-jr | tekojo: morning |
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| 05:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | I always thought there are 2 versions of OMAP wrt signature checking initial loader |
| 05:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | suggests a joint effort to brute force crack the signature (or Nokia publishes the signing key to document they're not as evil as you'd think) |
| 05:44.40 | Stskeeps | i think there's bigger fish to fry, tbh |
| 05:44.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 05:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | sure. But some are small, delicious, and look funny |
| 05:45.56 | Stskeeps | how's charging coming along? |
| 05:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | and I feel like Nokia's hostage *just another time*. Nobody told me I can't revert from 1.2 celmo (and I'm pondering whom to sue if the repair dept at Nokia will fry my 1.1 cellmo FW during fixing the power switch), and now I have to learn they can replace NOLO any time with a signature checking version not allowing me to install my own kernels on device, and there's just nothing I can do if that happens (except knowing in advance and just not |
| 05:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | update) |
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| 05:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | charging was declared a low low low priority for *meego* afaicr, for hostmode it's also no showstopper, so nothing essential has been done yet |
| 05:49.23 | asj | DocScrutinizer: did you look at the security model they proposed for maemo6? |
| 05:49.44 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: afaik the security model should allow you to boot an unsigned kernel, but some functions won't be enabled |
| 05:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | heads to bathroom to puke - please, not this time of day, even before my breakfast |
| 05:50.05 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well, until handset day one (this month), anything else is a low priority, but we're not exactly having luck with the closed charging either.. |
| 05:50.21 | Corsac | (the exact range of what is enabled is not clear for me, especially I don't know if it'll be possible to use security functions, encryption etc. with a custom kernel) |
| 05:50.28 | MiXu-_ | "# Individuals can now register as Ovi Publishers" |
| 05:50.29 | MiXu-_ | Nice |
| 05:50.50 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: afaik SSU's can't upgrade nolo/won't, so i wouldn't worry about that.. |
| 05:50.50 | asj | DocScrutinizer: point being, they've stated if you don't want drm features you can install any kernel you want with maemo6 |
| 05:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so you tell me I should push it up to top of my ToDo list? |
| 05:51.14 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well, i was just asking about the current state :P but i guess usb host is higher atm |
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| 05:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: a basic working charge mode can be implemented til next week though |
| 05:51.58 | Stskeeps | have you successfully made it charge so far? |
| 05:52.01 | Corsac | who needs charging anyway |
| 05:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | there's few unknown ground to break |
| 05:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 05:53.01 | Stskeeps | personally i'd be interested in a simple charging, doesn't have to be efficient, just has to work and stop in error situations |
| 05:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: a basic working *safe* charging, that just doesn't deal with special niche cases like overtemperature etc, is basically a oneliner |
| 05:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | and it worked |
| 05:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: define 'error situation' |
| 05:53.47 | tybollt | Stskeeps: Z500 eh? o_O |
| 05:53.58 | Stskeeps | tybollt: what are you talking about? |
| 05:54.16 | tybollt | yeah what AM I talking about :) |
| 05:54.27 | Stskeeps | tybollt: isn't that a intel atom processor? :P |
| 05:54.33 | digitalsurgeon | z500 doesnt seem a real name to me |
| 05:54.41 | digitalsurgeon | eldar is propbably drunk when he said that |
| 05:54.43 | tybollt | there was a meego product demog of a supposed Nookla product (next gen tablet) w/ meego |
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| 05:55.12 | tybollt | eldar drunk? A russian guy drunk? |
| 05:55.14 | tybollt | NEVAR HAPPENED |
| 05:55.14 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: charging certainly is a showstopper |
| 05:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: for what? hostmode? nope |
| 05:55.46 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: for basic device usage |
| 05:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 05:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: define 'error situation' |
| 05:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: otherwise there's few I can do for you :-P |
| 05:56.17 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well, as in, if chip reports any errors, stop charging, all those kind of things.. |
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| 05:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | THAT will happen automatically :-P |
| 05:56.48 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 05:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so would you feel happy this morning to announce working charging start of next week, on #magoo-meeting ? |
| 05:57.55 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: you can always mention you're starting the work, i can't really touch the code for various reasons |
| 05:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | you don't have to, I just realized you're in a kind of a pinch, so I'll look into it and should deliver mnday |
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| 05:59.09 | rmrfchik | guys, what are you charging? |
| 05:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | last info I got from you was "not before October" |
| 05:59.24 | Stskeeps | :nod: well, it's honestly easier to discuss things when there's something tangible in the open that works |
| 05:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I offered to you, so smile! |
| 06:00.03 | Stskeeps | i am, but the coffee isn't working yet |
| 06:00.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
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| 06:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | (coffee) |
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| 06:00.44 | luke-jr | heats the coffee to 99 C |
| 06:00.49 | luke-jr | working yet? |
| 06:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: fact is, SpeedEvil and me we both have charged battery successfully without bme |
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| 06:01.31 | Stskeeps | got graphs to prove it? :P |
| 06:01.48 | tybollt | pics or it didnt happen |
| 06:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | leme check, I think I had a logger running |
| 06:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | can do that til monday as well, to back up my claim the one-liner really works |
| 06:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ok, mr chairman, take it to meego-meeting, as I feel like having a nap. Tell me what you decided upon ("ok we could use that - no, forget it) |
| 06:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: also what's the minimum requirement specs |
| 06:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | for the basic charger for meego |
| 06:05.43 | tybollt | cynical doc is ... cynical... :) |
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| 06:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | there's nothing cynic in me ATM |
| 06:06.24 | tybollt | 'ATM' :P |
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| 06:17.16 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: personally i think it would be good to have, with graphics showing charging working, perhaps with graphing of temperatures, etc, you know, the works |
| 06:17.48 | Stskeeps | like, a nice report on why this actually works |
| 06:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 06:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | temp is a bit hard as there's actually no way to get cell temp |
| 06:18.33 | Stskeeps | really? |
| 06:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 06:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | next best thing you can get is bq24150 chip die temperature |
| 06:20.23 | Stskeeps | what does DSME/BME use then? i know there's a GET_TEMPERATURE request or something |
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| 06:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: don't ask *ME* |
| 06:37.10 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: generic question to everyone :) |
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| 06:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | thought you got better (re)sources |
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| 07:26.22 | hrw | morning |
| 07:26.26 | Stskeeps | morn |
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| 07:40.18 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.12 | MiXu-_ | Sure :) |
| 07:41.32 | sandst1 | it's a purifying experience ^^ |
| 07:41.44 | MiXu-_ | If it means optimizing. If it's dropping features, then it's not so satisfying. |
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| 07:42.45 | dotblank | like you write a new class and makes a bunch of code obsolete :) |
| 07:43.04 | sandst1 | dotblank: exactly :) |
| 07:43.47 | dotblank | although now im stuck on a bug :( |
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| 07:49.59 | ds3 | anyone know if flashing the NAND image/rootfs fiasco image will result in dataloss or corruption of the installed apps database? |
| 07:50.51 | tekojo | ds3: it will be wiped clean, so back-up before flash |
| 07:51.28 | tekojo | and if for some reason you would flash the emmc back-up to external card :) |
| 07:52.40 | ds3 | I intend to, just trying to see if I will have to reinstall all apps to keep the dpkg database sane or not |
| 07:53.24 | ds3 | it seems packages live in /home which appears to be on the emmc so the binaries will be there but /usr is on the NAND whichshould be wiped out |
| 07:54.06 | dotblank | grrr... I blame grooveshark |
| 07:54.23 | dotblank | must be down or acting slow or under maintenance |
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| 07:57.13 | dotblank | yup |
| 07:57.17 | dotblank | thats the reason |
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| 07:58.36 | haj | ds3: whan you do backup you just make sure it backs up the application list.. |
| 07:59.35 | haj | ds3: then after you flash you and you restore the backup, you can select "Restore Applications" in Application Manager.. then it installes the apps for you.. (not sure about ovistore stuff though?) |
| 07:59.52 | ds3 | don't care about ovistore |
| 08:00.06 | ds3 | and how does one backup the app list? |
| 08:01.01 | haj | use the backup-application... it's pretty obvious |
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| 08:02.01 | haj | new backup -> name -> select everything.. :) |
| 08:02.27 | ds3 | oh... didn't know it remembers the applications; just thought it did dataonly |
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| 08:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | it remembers the app *list* and re-installs apps on restore (if the apps were isnatlled via appmanager, you need to handle things separately on your own which are installed via apt-get) |
| 08:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | obviously it depends on particular app if any settings in ~/.app/* are kept or are deleted on re-install |
| 08:15.57 | MohammadAG51 | wouldn't that fail unless they edited apt-get? |
| 08:16.27 | MohammadAG51 | some users don't use the app manager |
| 08:16.37 | Corsac | they should :) |
| 08:17.33 | ds3 | hmmm |
| 08:17.38 | MohammadAG51 | Corsac, tbh I'd edit mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of the app manager |
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| 08:38.13 | Tuukka | I have something draining my battery really fast, is there something i can do to identify the cause? |
| 08:38.31 | pronto | all that porn man, stop it |
| 08:38.32 | Corsac | try top |
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| 08:39.05 | Tuukka | Xorg -logf is taking 1,6% |
| 08:39.14 | Tuukka | cpu |
| 08:40.06 | Tuukka | is that normal? |
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| 08:40.46 | Bactius | might be something else |
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| 08:42.14 | Tuukka | The drain started to occur few days after installin queen beecon and powerkernel. |
| 08:42.58 | haj | Tuukka: seems normal |
| 08:43.39 | tybollt | I don't run any crazy whacky powerkernals!111 but I still get mad bat drainage. |
| 08:43.58 | jacekowski | 8h isn't mad |
| 08:44.24 | tybollt | My phone was fully charge this morning when I woke up ... an hour later at work it has drained 1/3d of the batt - WHIE ENTIRELY IDLE |
| 08:45.28 | Tuukka | Usually i have been been able to get almost 2 days of usage with moderate usage, now it drains within a day even if i don't do anything :// Guess i'll just reflash |
| 08:46.28 | frals_ | most likely youve installed something which is misbehaving |
| 08:46.43 | Venemo | good morning guys |
| 08:46.49 | Venemo | I have a question |
| 08:46.57 | Tuukka | Haven't installed anything lately, just updates. |
| 08:47.04 | ShadowJK | or then it's the wlan bug |
| 08:47.09 | frals_ | well updates can introduce bugs :p |
| 08:47.23 | Venemo | if I create a .deb package from my app, and wish to launch the app immediately in the post-install, how should I do that? |
| 08:47.28 | ShadowJK | tuukka: is it still alive? |
| 08:47.40 | Bactius | I have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error |
| 08:47.55 | Bactius | : you do not have access to the site |
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| 08:48.15 | Tuukka | ShadowJK, what do you mean? Is it working, yeah |
| 08:48.21 | obsidieth | hmm. |
| 08:48.30 | ShadowJK | are you trying to surf the web when connected to the mms apn? |
| 08:48.32 | obsidieth | my n900 doesnt actually get down to 250MHz, seems stuck at 500 |
| 08:48.46 | obsidieth | im using the ideal kernel profile, and have removed the 'avoid frequencies' |
| 08:48.47 | Bactius | this occurs while on the mobile connection |
| 08:48.49 | ShadowJK | Tuukkaà I mean have you rebooted since? |
| 08:48.50 | obsidieth | but it still wont scale down that far. |
| 08:49.05 | ShadowJK | obsidieth, connected charger or usb? |
| 08:49.10 | obsidieth | usb. |
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| 08:49.27 | Tuukka | ShadowJK, yeah a few times doesn't help |
| 08:49.30 | ShadowJK | Yeah it doesn't go below 500 when connected to usb |
| 08:49.35 | obsidieth | ah. |
| 08:49.37 | obsidieth | thats interesting. |
| 08:49.53 | obsidieth | oo |
| 08:49.54 | ShadowJK | Tuukka, facebook widget, 3g data active? |
| 08:49.54 | obsidieth | 125. |
| 08:49.57 | obsidieth | very nice. |
| 08:50.14 | obsidieth | has anyone else been using such low frequencies, heh. |
| 08:50.21 | Tuukka | ShadowJK no facebook widget and no connections enabled |
| 08:50.33 | ShadowJK | Ok now that's strange :) |
| 08:51.30 | Tuukka | Well i'll uninstall some apps that might cause it and see if the problem disappears |
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| 08:51.48 | ShadowJK | What do you have installed? |
| 08:53.11 | Bactius | ShadowJK: It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN |
| 08:53.26 | Bactius | (got a phonecall) |
| 08:53.31 | ShadowJK | hm :/ |
| 08:54.26 | obsidieth | hmm. it seems to jump between 125 and 900 quite frequently. im wondering if one could lower the threshold that causes it to scale. |
| 08:56.14 | Tuukka | ShadowJK: Auto Disconnect, Quuen Beecon, Powerkernel + settings, 3g/2g/dual mode applet, ConnectNow, Easy debian, DCEW, + many more |
| 08:57.18 | ShadowJK | Well, consider that normall the CPU is at 0 MHz the majority of time, this eats the least power. Unless there's something that constantly requires small amounts of processing, it's most efficient to go up to fastest speed, complete the tasks that exist, and go back to sleep |
| 08:57.24 | ShadowJK | What's queen beecon? |
| 08:57.44 | obsidieth | its basically sitting at 125 while im not on it, but occasionally spiking to 900 |
| 08:57.52 | BCMM | ShadowJK: at 0 MHz? |
| 08:57.58 | obsidieth | im hoping like, since its only background tasks, it could maybe jump to 500 or 250 instead |
| 08:58.03 | obsidieth | of all the way to 900. save me a bit of juice. |
| 08:58.15 | ShadowJK | BCMM, yep, clocks off, voltage off |
| 08:58.22 | Tuukka | Hildon-satus-m uses constantly some cpu aswell could it be it? 0.6-1.3% |
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| 08:58.46 | obsidieth | hmm. what is that. |
| 08:59.21 | ShadowJK | Tuukka, I think hildon-status-menu is holding all the stuff that comes out when you tap on the clock |
| 08:59.56 | ShadowJK | Tuukka, 'ifconfig', do you see wlan0 or wmaster0 ? |
| 09:00.17 | Tuukka | ShadowJK, should it just idle when the status/power menu ain't in usage |
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| 09:01.11 | ShadowJK | Well it also draws signal strength and battery icon I think.. |
| 09:02.16 | Tuukka | ShadowJK, Can't find those |
| 09:02.28 | ShadowJK | ok, that's good |
| 09:03.08 | ShadowJK | at 33% drain per hour the phone should be pretty warm I think? |
| 09:03.40 | obsidieth | i might have to run the battery monitor and see where im at. |
| 09:03.46 | obsidieth | today my phone barely lasted through my 9 to 5:p |
| 09:05.58 | jacekowski | obsidieth: that's kinda normal |
| 09:06.37 | obsidieth | mmmm. |
| 09:06.45 | obsidieth | im sure i can do better. |
| 09:06.51 | ShadowJK | mine lasted about 2-3 days per charge when using original battery and being mostly offline since I couldn't afford roaming :) |
| 09:07.04 | obsidieth | maybe its 3g chewing it up |
| 09:07.09 | obsidieth | i checked, not catorise. |
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| 09:09.12 | ShadowJK | 3g can be very power consuming |
| 09:09.19 | ShadowJK | One packet every 5 seconds is enough to keep the 3g radio constantly active and empty battery is 4-6 hours or less |
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| 09:12.01 | jacekowski | well, i have problem with tmobile |
| 09:12.12 | jacekowski | i can't use internet unless i run ping in background |
| 09:12.41 | jacekowski | and and 10-15 pings come back with like 15s round trip time |
| 09:12.49 | jacekowski | and then it starts going down |
| 09:12.59 | Duckboot | jacekowski: Agressive disconnectpolicy. |
| 09:13.01 | Duckboot | ? |
| 09:13.20 | jacekowski | well, that only happens if i don't have full signal |
| 09:13.38 | jacekowski | when i'm in colchester with full 3g signal it works fine |
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| 09:30.49 | mirf | it has arrived! |
| 09:30.56 | mirf | n900 in a box under my desk |
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| 09:31.05 | Surfa | hooway |
| 09:31.06 | vldcnst | unpack it! |
| 09:31.07 | mirf | problem is I'm at work so I can't open it yet ... noooo |
| 09:31.07 | Surfa | ray |
| 09:31.22 | vldcnst | toilet! |
| 09:31.23 | stonda | just do it |
| 09:31.26 | mirf | hahaha |
| 09:31.34 | mirf | lunch is in an hour and a half |
| 09:31.43 | mirf | if I get it out now I'll do nothgin for the rest of the day haha |
| 09:32.38 | Duckboot | mirf: Say to anyone that asks: I'm assigned to testing out the new company phones. |
| 09:35.28 | mirf | lol |
| 09:35.30 | mirf | could do |
| 09:35.39 | mirf | everyone knows thats' balls tho |
| 09:35.40 | mirf | I can wait |
| 09:35.42 | mirf | it's fine |
| 09:36.34 | mirf | tempted to get out and charging at least though |
| 09:38.20 | _0x47 | hey ho! anyone has an idea why I can't get the ubuntu repository to work in maemo? |
| 09:38.33 | _0x47 | always getting 404s on apt-get update |
| 09:38.41 | Appiah | well |
| 09:38.46 | _0x47 | i assume they have armel packages tho |
| 09:38.50 | Appiah | do you have the exact error? |
| 09:38.51 | _0x47 | dunno if so |
| 09:38.54 | _0x47 | sec |
| 09:38.55 | Appiah | maybe just wrong path |
| 09:39.39 | adeus | no armel |
| 09:39.53 | achipa | _0x47: careful with that, if you install something that pulls in packages/libs that update the Maemo ones, it's super easy to hose your install |
| 09:40.26 | _0x47 | http://pastebin.com/PH0tG4gD |
| 09:40.40 | _0x47 | no no, talking about SDK |
| 09:40.46 | _0x47 | and I'm trying to get the source |
| 09:40.52 | _0x47 | @ achipa |
| 09:41.01 | _0x47 | adeus: no armel? |
| 09:41.08 | _0x47 | ok, that would explain the problem |
| 09:41.16 | Appiah | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/ |
| 09:41.19 | Appiah | no armel |
| 09:41.25 | Appiah | amd64 and i386 |
| 09:41.29 | adeus | are those deb-src sources then? |
| 09:41.36 | Appiah | but there is ARM packages for ubuntu lucid I know |
| 09:41.46 | Appiah | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel?text= |
| 09:41.52 | achipa | _0x47: but that's no moon... you don't need binary repos for the source |
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| 09:42.05 | _0x47 | lucid is too new i guess, maybe it's worth a try, but it seems most packages are in the new source format |
| 09:42.07 | achipa | (as you can see it got the source ones just fine) |
| 09:42.12 | _0x47 | which is not understood by the SDK |
| 09:42.28 | Appiah | well you can look around yourself |
| 09:42.30 | Appiah | thats all I know |
| 09:42.49 | _0x47 | adeus: what do you mean? |
| 09:42.52 | Appiah | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel |
| 09:42.56 | achipa | _0x47: there is not error - just do apt-get source packagename |
| 09:42.59 | _0x47 | Appiah: ok thanks |
| 09:43.09 | Appiah | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel <-- here you go ARM ubuntu packages |
| 09:43.27 | _0x47 | achipa: i can't even do a apt-get update |
| 09:43.38 | adeus | remove the "deb http..." row |
| 09:43.43 | achipa | _0x47: but... you did. according to the pastebin |
| 09:43.48 | adeus | there is no armel pacakged versions there, as you can see from the link from Appiah |
| 09:43.57 | achipa | it's just the binary package list that failed, you got the source repos |
| 09:44.12 | _0x47 | oh ok, let me try |
| 09:44.39 | adeus | that's actually something you could do as well.. |
| 09:44.50 | adeus | I always apt-get source on the host |
| 09:45.03 | adeus | you/I |
| 09:45.18 | nomis | felipe`: |
| 09:45.23 | nomis | erf. Sorry. |
| 09:45.28 | _0x47 | thanks all! it works! (with removed deb... line) |
| 09:53.42 | Bactius | I have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error: you do not have access to the site |
| 09:55.22 | Bactius | this occurs while on the mobile connection |
| 09:55.37 | crashanddie | where does the error appear? |
| 09:55.42 | crashanddie | As if it were a webpage? |
| 09:55.43 | Bactius | It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN |
| 09:56.19 | Bactius | I cant visit webpages due to the above error |
| 09:56.36 | crashanddie | Bactius: please answer the questions people ask you, in order to help you solve your issue |
| 09:56.55 | crashanddie | Bactius: where does the error message appear? Is it displayed as if it were a webpage, in the browser? |
| 09:57.15 | Bactius | yes. misunderstood the question |
| 09:57.39 | crashanddie | then it would appear it is indeed a misconfigured internet connection |
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| 09:57.52 | Bactius | I get it in both web browsers |
| 09:58.10 | loufoque | is there any cool game for N900 that uses the touch screen? |
| 09:58.23 | crashanddie | The easiest solution is to find someone who has the same network provider as yourself (same contract would be a plus, too), and copy their settings |
| 09:58.51 | crashanddie | Bactius: if you didn't change anything, there is also a chance that you ran out of credit or something, and your provider has cut your connection |
| 09:58.55 | Stskeeps | loufoque: angry birds? |
| 09:59.06 | loufoque | is that all there is? |
| 09:59.19 | crashanddie | loufoque: I can give you a great idea if you want to write one |
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| 09:59.40 | Stskeeps | loufoque: marbles.. |
| 09:59.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:00.15 | Bactius | crashanddie: i can chat here, send emails and so on but not open webpages through browser windows |
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| 10:01.05 | crashanddie | Bactius: do you have specific proxy settings? |
| 10:01.36 | loufoque | Bactius: does host resolution work properly? |
| 10:02.40 | sandst1 | loufoque: Numpty Physics is pretty neet |
| 10:02.47 | crashanddie | neat* |
| 10:02.55 | Bactius | crashanddie: Yes. I got the connection settings sent again and got the message that the ones I had was identical with the new ones |
| 10:03.09 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:05.38 | loufoque | sandst1: looks good indeed. Can't find it in the repos though |
| 10:07.54 | Bactius | loufoque: Don't know what you mean |
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| 10:08.20 | loufoque | Bactius: can you resolve names into IP addresses? |
| 10:08.24 | MohammadAG | e-yes, ping |
| 10:08.42 | chem|st | hell bad morning *moan* |
| 10:09.31 | crashanddie | chem|st: stfu, bitch |
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| 10:12.20 | chem|st | loufoque: gweled eightyone "numpty physics(devel)" SPBBrainEvo Xploder need more? |
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| 10:13.03 | chem|st | crashanddie: ty, thats what I needed... now I feel better! |
| 10:13.12 | crashanddie | chem|st: anytime |
| 10:13.14 | sandst1 | loufoque: should be in extras-devel at least |
| 10:13.17 | Bactius | MohammedAG: Yes i could |
| 10:13.29 | Bactius | got to go. bbl |
| 10:13.36 | chem|st | crashanddie: how are you anyway? need a bit of a towel? |
| 10:13.46 | crashanddie | towel |
| 10:13.47 | crashanddie | ? |
| 10:13.59 | MohammadAG | Bactius, huh? |
| 10:14.09 | chem|st | crashanddie: trout |
| 10:14.11 | MohammadAG | wtf |
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| 10:15.58 | chem|st | MohammadAG: thats all my morning, wtf wth stfu "whats the matter with you" |
| 10:16.13 | MohammadAG | chem|st, |
| 10:16.19 | MohammadAG | <crashanddie> chem|st: stfu, bitch |
| 10:16.38 | chem|st | ok... |
| 10:16.45 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 10:17.01 | MohammadAG | chem|st, you're that mod on tmo right? |
| 10:17.01 | chem|st | and I wasn't even on tmo yet... |
| 10:17.02 | sandst1 | loufoque: if not found there's always SVN https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=638 |
| 10:17.19 | chem|st | yeah.... someone died already? |
| 10:17.42 | obsidieth | hmm. this battery lfie is really poor. |
| 10:17.47 | MohammadAG | chem|st, do you mind marking all users and hitting the Ban user button in modcp? |
| 10:17.48 | obsidieth | are wigets generally responsible for this. |
| 10:18.02 | chem|st | modcp? gimme a link |
| 10:18.15 | chem|st | ah modcp get it |
| 10:18.25 | chem|st | MohammadAG: all users where? |
| 10:18.34 | MohammadAG | chem|st, tmo doh... |
| 10:18.52 | chem|st | hehe you mean all like in ALL tmo right ;) |
| 10:19.33 | crashanddie | chem|st: ban these users: abill_uk, geneven, daperl. Thanks. |
| 10:19.43 | MohammadAG | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/modcp/ <-- modcp, I've never seen a mod ask about it... |
| 10:19.58 | MohammadAG | chem|st, add CrashandDie to the list |
| 10:19.59 | Stskeeps | nah, geneven and daperl says sane things at times |
| 10:20.10 | Stskeeps | abill_uk should be duct-taped against an electric fence |
| 10:20.13 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps too |
| 10:20.29 | crashanddie | geneven is wanking twat |
| 10:20.37 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, tbh, you torture people more than an electric fence |
| 10:20.41 | chem|st | abill is currently discussed if we throw stones or yeah duct-taped against an electric fence |
| 10:20.54 | crashanddie | throwing stones won't server anything |
| 10:21.00 | crashanddie | s/ver/ve/ |
| 10:21.00 | MohammadAG | if in doubt, choose both |
| 10:21.07 | chem|st | MohammadAG: I will |
| 10:21.19 | crashanddie | chem|st: I really don't see why those things need discussion for so long |
| 10:21.26 | chem|st | crashanddie: will serve my pleasure... |
| 10:21.40 | tybollt | crashie: It might serve to pleasure the masochists :P |
| 10:21.57 | MohammadAG | if I was a mod I would've permbanned them |
| 10:22.12 | crashanddie | chem|st: everytime the guy gets one reply, he is fueled for days. Isn't that enough for an admin to just step up and get rid of the guy? |
| 10:22.14 | MohammadAG | then again, I requested a mod drop on the site I mod |
| 10:22.23 | crashanddie | Everyone wants to do it, but Reggie doesn't want to take ownership of this kind of thing |
| 10:22.47 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: mods can't ban |
| 10:22.53 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, WHAT!? |
| 10:23.00 | crashanddie | we can ban spammers |
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| 10:23.07 | crashanddie | and we can give infraction points |
| 10:23.08 | MohammadAG | again |
| 10:23.09 | MohammadAG | WHAT?! |
| 10:23.19 | crashanddie | (which can lead to temporary bans) |
| 10:23.20 | MohammadAG | if mods can't ban, what can you do... |
| 10:23.39 | crashanddie | but there's no permbans AFAIK (maybe supermods have it) |
| 10:24.06 | crashanddie | well, you can soft-delete posts, edit, move, reorganise, etc |
| 10:24.08 | MohammadAG | I can permban and I'm a normal mod (different site) |
| 10:24.20 | crashanddie | yeah, but that's for power hungry people |
| 10:24.27 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:24.40 | loufoque | chem|st: can't find SPBBrainEvo and Xploder |
| 10:24.43 | crashanddie | proof to point: you're an israeli powermonging bastard :P |
| 10:24.45 | MohammadAG | do you always PM reggie to ban spambots? |
| 10:24.47 | chem|st | loufoque: ovi |
| 10:24.56 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, XD |
| 10:24.58 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: not at all, we can ban spammers |
| 10:25.04 | tybollt | becomming a mod - power hungry is implied crashie |
| 10:25.16 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: we can ban accounts that are less than 30 days old, and have less than 5 posts or something |
| 10:25.23 | crashanddie | chem|st: what are the numbers? |
| 10:25.27 | MohammadAG | lame :) |
| 10:25.43 | crashanddie | tybollt: hey, I wasn't power hungry when I was a mod |
| 10:25.59 | MohammadAG | right... but you're power hungry here |
| 10:26.03 | MohammadAG | hence the +o :D |
| 10:26.09 | crashanddie | I'm not +o |
| 10:26.14 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 10:26.18 | crashanddie | AAAARRGGH YOU COMMUNIST |
| 10:26.31 | *** kick/#maemo [crashanddie!~MohammadA@188.247.82.181] by MohammadAG (I'm a backstabber :)) |
| 10:26.34 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by MohammadAG |
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| 10:26.40 | crashanddie | indeed, you are :) |
| 10:26.52 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 10:27.01 | crashanddie | wanna guess what? |
| 10:27.05 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@188.247.82.181] by ChanServ |
| 10:27.06 | crashanddie | so am i |
| 10:27.11 | crashanddie | :D |
| 10:27.24 | chem|st | tybollt: is it? I started with my inner want to have brainstorm cleaned up and actualy being useful |
| 10:27.24 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@188.247.82.181] by ChanServ |
| 10:27.35 | MohammadAG | stabs crashanddie |
| 10:27.43 | crashanddie | backstabs MohammadAG |
| 10:28.18 | crashanddie | chem|st: are you even a mod in brainstorm? |
| 10:28.33 | obsidieth | oh. man.i bet its the gps drinking all my power? |
| 10:28.55 | crashanddie | lmao |
| 10:28.57 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUFH9NXBmAY&feature=related |
| 10:29.01 | chem|st | crashanddie: something like that yeah, no I am not mod in brainstorm as I barely find time to handle it because of all those wnaking twats |
| 10:29.02 | MohammadAG | nah, GPS doesn't use the battery |
| 10:29.03 | crashanddie | there's a vuvuzela button |
| 10:29.04 | MohammadAG | it rapes it |
| 10:29.29 | crashanddie | you can listen to the nice sound of vuvuzela's while watching your movie |
| 10:29.30 | crashanddie | excellent |
| 10:29.39 | MohammadAG | ROFL |
| 10:29.43 | RST38h | stretches |
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| 10:29.51 | RST38h | Soooooo... What is new and exciting? |
| 10:30.00 | MohammadAG | RST38h, the world ended |
| 10:30.02 | Appiah | everything! |
| 10:30.09 | MohammadAG | ^see? |
| 10:30.11 | chem|st | crashanddie: I will get back to brainstorm when I get controls in the brainstorm system everything else is just useless |
| 10:30.18 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Cool, so that was what that button did... |
| 10:30.24 | crashanddie | chem|st: hey, we're not useless! |
| 10:30.29 | crashanddie | chem|st: don't say "everything else" |
| 10:30.29 | MohammadAG | RST38h, how's afterlife? |
| 10:30.42 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, they're not useless, you are |
| 10:30.50 | crashanddie | :( |
| 10:30.54 | MohammadAG | aww |
| 10:30.58 | crashanddie | :'( |
| 10:31.08 | MohammadAG | sees an opportunity |
| 10:31.12 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Ah, splendid, eating/sleeping/screwing all the time |
| 10:31.13 | MohammadAG | stabs crashanddie again |
| 10:31.22 | chem|st | crashanddie: I can moderate tmo-brainstorm as much as I want as long as I cannot moderate the maemo brainstorm it is glue on a wet surface |
| 10:31.44 | chem|st | so anything useless to add? |
| 10:31.54 | MohammadAG | why are there two brainstorm sections? |
| 10:32.03 | chem|st | o_O |
| 10:32.08 | RST38h | chem|st: Add some cool brainstorms |
| 10:32.10 | chem|st | MohammadAG: where? |
| 10:32.13 | psycho_oreos | ~tmo |
| 10:32.16 | infobot | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 10:32.19 | RST38h | chem|st: Like, a brainstorm to create a religion around Maemo |
| 10:32.20 | MohammadAG | chem|st, the tmo one, and the normal one |
| 10:32.26 | crashanddie | chem|st: I know that, I was just saying don't say "everything else is useless", cuz that kinda includes 99.9% of the world :) |
| 10:32.29 | MohammadAG | RST38h, that doesn't seem half bad |
| 10:32.34 | crashanddie | chem|st: you know, joke, pun, funny |
| 10:32.42 | RST38h | chem|st: Or a brainstorm to create a mascot |
| 10:32.58 | crashanddie | RST38h: don't you fecking go there again |
| 10:33.02 | chem|st | RST38h: I did add alot and one seems to get the most exciting program onto n900 as the upstream project directly got involved |
| 10:33.08 | crashanddie | the mascot was probably the worst idea we've ever had |
| 10:33.21 | crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, 'later |
| 10:33.24 | MohammadAG | suggests a beaten penguin with bruises and the like |
| 10:33.49 | MohammadAG | or a penguin with a javelin |
| 10:33.51 | MohammadAG | cya crashanddie |
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| 10:37.25 | chem|st | MohammadAG: because someone wanted it like that... wasn't me |
| 10:37.49 | chem|st | the discussion at brainstorm was moved to tmo and the brainstorm discussion plugin disabled |
| 10:39.53 | chem|st | crashanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system? |
| 10:39.56 | crashanddie | damn, this is bad http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/06/24/toyotas-chief-test-driver-dies-in-lfa-crash/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GTspirit+%28GTspirit%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher |
| 10:40.17 | chem|st | s/as/ass/ |
| 10:40.37 | chem|st | +?? |
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| 10:45.15 | Nervengift | is there an official or unofficial i386(Intel Atom)-build of maemo? i'd like to try it in virtualbox before buying N900 |
| 10:45.55 | MiXu-_ | Nervengift: Scratchbox for linux |
| 10:46.06 | nidO | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners |
| 10:46.12 | MiXu-_ | It gives you an idea |
| 10:46.24 | Nervengift | thx |
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| 10:46.27 | MiXu-_ | But it's not complete, obviously. |
| 10:46.58 | psycho_oreos | probably also physically test drive one as well |
| 10:47.00 | nidO | wouldnt the easiest way to try maemo before buying an n900 be to just walk into a shop and use one? |
| 10:47.37 | Nervengift | i did so but i'd like to take a closer look |
| 10:47.50 | MiXu-_ | HC geeks don't go to physical shops! |
| 10:48.00 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:48.02 | psycho_oreos | HC as in hardcore? |
| 10:48.08 | MohammadAG | is purging hildon-desktop a good idea? |
| 10:48.20 | psycho_oreos | probably not |
| 10:48.50 | MiXu-_ | psycho_oreos: yes |
| 10:48.57 | MohammadAG | meh, need to get rid of the settings |
| 10:49.56 | Kleggas | you mean people should "try out" the OS before buying a phone? I must have failed badly when deciding to go n900 then..... for me it was: Looks good, has wide screen with higher ress than other phones, has keyboard and most important is running Linux - I will take 2x, for me and wife... |
| 10:49.57 | psycho_oreos | MiXu-_, I'd say hard core geeks get N900 anyway, its far more unrestrictive than android powered phones.. and it runs linux as well |
| 10:50.07 | MiXu-_ | yup |
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| 10:51.15 | psycho_oreos | though critics say maemo 5 is an unfinished masterpiece, I tend to somewhat agree.. running maemo inside scratchbox isn't going to help you much understanding knowing that the actual toy itself is more fun in which you can do fancy things |
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| 10:54.48 | _0x47 | me again! :) any idea how to get that package? http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/dblatex I can't get it through apt-get with the extras-devel and nokia binaries enabled... |
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| 10:59.29 | _0x47 | does that mean nobody's here or nobody has got an idea? :/ |
| 11:01.43 | Stskeeps | probably need to build it yourslf |
| 11:02.14 | _0x47 | no way, why are there packets in the repository that rely on this package but the package itself is not available? |
| 11:03.32 | _0x47 | that doesn't make much sense to me |
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| 11:04.15 | aboyer | hi, gstreamer on n900 question: is the ffmpegcolorspace element accelerated by the DSP on the n900? or is all the conversion code run on the cpu? |
| 11:06.04 | BCMM | Kleggas: i went into a shop and asked politely if i could have a go on the n900 keyboard and touchscreen to see how usable they were |
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| 11:09.24 | borco | hi |
| 11:09.40 | chem|st | _0x47: is a devel app depending? |
| 11:09.51 | loufoque | BCMM: and your verdict? |
| 11:09.54 | loufoque | not very? |
| 11:10.13 | BCMM | loufoque: i liked them... |
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| 11:10.28 | borco | any ideas when the results of the nokia n900 survey will be published and where? |
| 11:10.44 | BCMM | loufoque: i was trying to find out whether i could reliably hit the keys on the keyboard, and guess whether i'd eventually be able to use it without looking |
| 11:10.51 | chem|st | borco: survey? |
| 11:10.54 | BCMM | and i guessed correctly that i could |
| 11:11.06 | borco | http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/ |
| 11:11.44 | chem|st | borco: ehrm never anywhere I guess |
| 11:12.33 | borco | chem|st: i have received an e-mail that i have won one of those. how can i check if the e-mail was legit and not a scam? |
| 11:12.49 | Kleggas | BCMM: That is what one should go and try out regardless of the OS running. I can say I did NOT do that, and was happy I found a perfect fit for myself when I got home and tried it out for first time, after having bought it. However I have an HP iPaq from work, and even that tiny tiny keyboard I learned to use after a while so I knew that the bigger keys on N900 would so not be a problem :) |
| 11:13.02 | chem|st | borco: one of those what? |
| 11:13.30 | _0x47 | chem|st: where to find that out? it was a few days ago tho when the last change happened |
| 11:13.31 | borco | chem|st: one of the n900 give-aways. |
| 11:13.32 | Kleggas | the touchscreen however was something I could not have guessed how it would be, but Im very happy with it even if I didnt try it out |
| 11:13.53 | chem|st | borco: dont know |
| 11:14.05 | _0x47 | chem|st: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/dblatex |
| 11:14.12 | _0x47 | 1st june |
| 11:14.35 | chem|st | _0x47: which program depends ond dblatex? |
| 11:15.13 | _0x47 | cdbs |
| 11:15.18 | SpeedEvil | borco: I offer a service to scren incoming packages, to determine if it's a real n900 or not. |
| 11:15.24 | _0x47 | it's a build dependency |
| 11:15.57 | borco | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? |
| 11:16.01 | SpeedEvil | borco: Realistically - go for it - unless they require you to pay for shipping. |
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| 11:16.19 | SpeedEvil | borco: Oh |
| 11:16.29 | SpeedEvil | borco: Sorry - nvm |
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| 11:16.33 | SpeedEvil | borco: I misread. |
| 11:17.00 | SpeedEvil | borco: I always assumed the survey (that I took, and am taking part in) was completely internal to nokia, and would never be published. |
| 11:17.07 | SpeedEvil | Indeed, I would be astonished if it was. |
| 11:17.18 | borco | SpeedEvil: no problem. but i received that e-mail and now i can only ask myself when will i receive my shiny n900 :-) |
| 11:17.20 | SpeedEvil | (it would be good, but I'd still be astonished) |
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| 11:17.38 | chem|st | _0x47: thats not the only dependencie that package misses out on... |
| 11:18.00 | _0x47 | chem|st: i sorted out all others, what do you mean? |
| 11:18.03 | SpeedEvil | borco: Sorry - I'm missing this again - why were you supposed to recieve a n900? Is this directly related to the survey? |
| 11:18.08 | _0x47 | and why is the older version in the repos then? |
| 11:18.33 | _0x47 | i removed the python2.5 dependency in hope 2.4 would be fine |
| 11:18.47 | borco | SpeedEvil: yes. the survey stated that people completing the survey could win one of the 50 n900 that were given away |
| 11:18.54 | chem|st | the cdbs package in testing has missing dependencies too |
| 11:19.00 | SpeedEvil | borco: Ah - right. |
| 11:19.08 | SpeedEvil | borco: have you had an email that you've won then? |
| 11:19.12 | borco | SpeedEvil: to my surprise, i receive an e-mail stating that i'm one of the lucky winners ... |
| 11:19.20 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 11:19.38 | SpeedEvil | borco: Well - follow the instructions. |
| 11:19.50 | borco | SpeedEvil: it's from Qt.Comments@nokia.com. |
| 11:19.54 | _0x47 | chem|st: oh lol, the how would I create another one with missing dependencies? I just need it for building. |
| 11:19.59 | borco | SpeedEvil: just wanted to be sure it is legit :) |
| 11:20.03 | SpeedEvil | borco: I have had a (smaller) reward from a nokia survey, so I have no inherent reason to doubt it. |
| 11:20.06 | _0x47 | get any deb for armel from somewhere? |
| 11:20.30 | chem|st | _0x47: "in the repos" we are talking about testing and devel so there is no "why is there something not working in this repo?" |
| 11:20.49 | borco | SpeedEvil: yep, the win is quite substantial. i normally never win ... |
| 11:21.00 | chem|st | anything I mean |
| 11:21.12 | SpeedEvil | borco: Congratulations then. |
| 11:21.34 | chem|st | borco: have fun with it ;) |
| 11:21.35 | _0x47 | chem|st: sure, I just meant why there is a package that you theoretically couldn't create? I can't create it locally, so there is no way to get a .deb out of it |
| 11:21.37 | frals_ | borco: check the email header, should be enough |
| 11:21.43 | frals_ | headers* |
| 11:21.59 | SpeedEvil | borco: It does seem odd to give away n900s for a questionaire about the n900. |
| 11:22.03 | _0x47 | chem|st: so I guess someone just got binaries from somewhere and compiled it with them |
| 11:22.06 | SpeedEvil | But - they get to decide I guess. |
| 11:24.20 | mirf | omg |
| 11:24.26 | mirf | xterm |
| 11:24.29 | mirf | right there in apps |
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| 11:24.53 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:25.26 | Kleggas | mirf: Congratulations on your newly bought (today?) n900? :) |
| 11:25.27 | SpeedEvil | mirf: Enable 'extras' repository in the application manager, install 'rootsh' - and then you just type 'root' in xterm to get root |
| 11:25.45 | chem|st | well sources on maemo are what the autobuilder got for building... |
| 11:26.27 | mirf | :D |
| 11:26.28 | chem|st | I mean the realated sourcce to a already build binary |
| 11:26.35 | mirf | thanks dudes |
| 11:27.11 | chem|st | mirf: welcome to the other side |
| 11:27.16 | mirf | haha |
| 11:27.29 | mirf | just waiting for it to charge then I'm gonna have fun |
| 11:27.40 | chem|st | want a cookie? |
| 11:27.53 | sx0n | hmm. http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/insiders-ownership |
| 11:28.05 | Kleggas | there are cookies for n900 users? |
| 11:28.09 | chem|st | mirf: LOL, it is precharge so you don't need to do it |
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| 11:28.30 | mirf | hmm |
| 11:28.34 | mirf | well it's charging now |
| 11:28.43 | chem|st | mirf: the manual says so |
| 11:28.48 | mirf | first thing I gotta so is put vnc on it |
| 11:28.54 | mirf | says it's partially precharges |
| 11:28.56 | mirf | *d |
| 11:29.07 | chem|st | yep |
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| 11:30.15 | Kleggas | ssh server is a good thing too, if you want to access it from the puter |
| 11:30.28 | chem|st | mirf: your battery time might be a bit short in the first few days, scared me of as a friend visiting me who bought it the same day did not have that |
| 11:30.31 | Kleggas | server on n900, that is |
| 11:30.34 | SpeedEvil | For those of us in the UK. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/net-neutrality/ - ofcom consultation about net neutrality. Please respond if you have concrete points to make. |
| 11:31.15 | mirf | :) |
| 11:31.29 | mirf | basically treat it like a full blown linux box right? |
| 11:31.39 | Kleggas | battery life increased very noticable for me when I removed that facebook widget ;) |
| 11:31.44 | mirf | f__k yeah |
| 11:31.49 | mirf | oh yeah screw facebook |
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| 11:31.56 | Kleggas | if it only had a "refresh every XX hours" option :p |
| 11:31.57 | chem|st | mirf: exactly |
| 11:32.15 | Ikarus | heh |
| 11:32.28 | SpeedEvil | mirf: I was really surprised around 3 months in, when my pocket linux box rang. |
| 11:32.46 | chem|st | Kleggas: nope |
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| 11:33.01 | Macer | SpeedEvil: haha |
| 11:33.07 | Ikarus | you can also blow through the battery in under three hours with mobile browsing, IRCing, etc on the train while continously switching between 2 and 3 G :) |
| 11:34.08 | Macer | im just happy it has a good skype integration |
| 11:34.09 | chem|st | Ikarus: Kleggas you might want to write up a guide "Battery drain for Dummies" |
| 11:34.18 | SpeedEvil | Or under 1.5 hours if playing loud audio, while recording video, and acting as a mobile hotspot |
| 11:34.19 | Macer | my g1 had that crappy call forwarding skype |
| 11:34.25 | chem|st | Macer: good == poor? |
| 11:34.26 | Kleggas | I started using it as a "ringing" device from day one, but through skype. I wasn't surprised at all until the day skype was turned off, and it rang |
| 11:34.42 | Macer | chem|st: i havent had a problem using skype |
| 11:34.44 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: I'm about to write something along those lines. |
| 11:35.04 | chem|st | Macer: yeah I can text and call but thats it for now |
| 11:35.08 | Macer | even over 3G |
| 11:35.14 | loufoque | Macer: what has good skype integration? |
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| 11:35.26 | Macer | er... maemo5? |
| 11:35.30 | Macer | :) |
| 11:35.44 | Macer | beats androids to say the least |
| 11:35.56 | Macer | the gtalk video is a little lacking |
| 11:36.09 | Macer | doesnt seem to work that well but i havent tested it much |
| 11:36.10 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: btw anything new at the hotspot front? some free tool on it's way? |
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| 11:36.30 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: there is 'mobilehotspot' |
| 11:36.34 | Kleggas | even the camera works flawless over 3g, or atleast where I live in the centre of 3g heaven close to several large markets |
| 11:36.35 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: I haven't used it |
| 11:36.38 | loufoque | Macer: video is useless (and I say that working for the world leader in videoconferencing) |
| 11:36.47 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: Video is not useless. |
| 11:36.49 | Macer | Kleggas: im in chicago |
| 11:36.50 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: didn't it need a new kernel? |
| 11:36.57 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: For some things - it's very useful. |
| 11:36.59 | Macer | there is quite a bit of coverage here heh |
| 11:37.00 | loufoque | text > voice > video |
| 11:37.01 | pigeon | i've been using mobilehotspot, works ok. |
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| 11:37.22 | chem|st | Kleggas: no video for me yet |
| 11:37.26 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: For example - being able to show someone a bit of furniture that you're contemplating buying |
| 11:37.31 | Macer | loufoque: not really |
| 11:37.35 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: yes - so? |
| 11:37.48 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: take a picture and send it |
| 11:37.54 | Macer | i am divorced and my son stays with his mother 3 months out the year |
| 11:37.59 | loufoque | via email or mms |
| 11:38.07 | Macer | so video chatting is great |
| 11:38.15 | Macer | :) |
| 11:38.23 | loufoque | Macer: get a new son |
| 11:38.24 | DrGrov | Good damn day to you all! |
| 11:38.29 | Kleggas | hahah |
| 11:38.32 | Macer | loufoque: hahaha |
| 11:38.37 | Macer | let me ebay one |
| 11:38.42 | chem|st | Kleggas: with windows skype versions no video yet, with linux (latest beta) I get the video button but nothing happens |
| 11:38.43 | DrGrov | Now the damn drinking starts in order to celebrate vacation starting |
| 11:38.47 | Macer | im sure china has them cheap |
| 11:39.26 | DrGrov | I gotta find a GOOD game for the N900 in order to stand my mother over midsummer |
| 11:39.32 | DrGrov | Any suggestions? |
| 11:39.35 | Kleggas | chem|st: you mean, when you try to use videochat on your n900 with someone sitting on windows/linux skype? |
| 11:39.35 | chem|st | Kleggas: what version is the other end skype? |
| 11:39.44 | chem|st | yeah |
| 11:40.06 | Kleggas | chem|st: oh, well. I only tried videochat with my bro who also runs it on his n900..... |
| 11:40.17 | chem|st | ... |
| 11:40.23 | Wolfie | RST38h: angry birds |
| 11:40.31 | Kleggas | or I think he was on his phone those times... |
| 11:41.07 | chem|st | Kleggas: that works flawless, but where is my video-conference? |
| 11:41.30 | Kleggas | ... someone ate it, perhaps.... |
| 11:41.44 | chem|st | grml |
| 11:41.58 | chem|st | later... |
| 11:43.49 | pupnik | loufoque: i think i understand text > voice > video but what context are do you mean? |
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| 11:50.31 | mirf | find a bench and play phone |
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| 11:52.51 | Kleggas | mirf: play "how"? |
| 11:52.53 | Kleggas | :) |
| 11:53.04 | mirf | dunno |
| 11:53.06 | mirf | we'll see |
| 11:53.14 | mirf | I've unlimited web so the world is my oister I guess |
| 11:53.39 | Kleggas | mirf: I saw an app with a description something like "Measures how hard you throw your n900"... that kind of playing? I wonder how you would be able to see the results after breaking it :p |
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| 11:53.50 | mirf | no way |
| 11:53.53 | mirf | I'm not playing that game |
| 11:53.59 | Kleggas | heheh |
| 11:54.20 | crs | Hi, how can I add extra weather stations to omweather? It does not have my city. |
| 11:56.06 | pigeon | does anyone know how much video ram is there on the n900? |
| 11:56.23 | FauxFaux | Wikipedia does. |
| 11:56.41 | FauxFaux | Oh, it doesn't. |
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| 11:56.47 | pigeon | or maybe better phased, texture memory for gles |
| 11:56.55 | pexi | n95 has the fastest gpu |
| 11:57.08 | pexi | :) |
| 11:57.13 | Kleggas | it does? |
| 11:57.21 | pexi | so i've read |
| 11:57.34 | pexi | but how to really compare |
| 11:57.34 | chadi | if the meego platform isn't fully open source, how is the community going to port it to the N900? |
| 11:57.54 | pexi | there is already a meego but not gui |
| 11:58.04 | Kleggas | chadi: isn't there allready a n900 version of it? Its being tested on n900 |
| 11:58.04 | pigeon | n900 isn't fully open source anyway is it... |
| 11:58.04 | pexi | so |
| 11:58.16 | pexi | its matter of time |
| 11:58.32 | Corsac | well, not only time |
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| 11:58.41 | chadi | so Nokia will provide a N900 (ARM) build of Meego, not the community, right? |
| 11:58.44 | pexi | you can even try it just installing meego to usb-stick |
| 11:58.51 | pexi | and running it from there |
| 11:59.18 | chadi | oh and I mean the GUI part |
| 11:59.38 | Kleggas | chadi: Nokia will not support it by pushing it out to all n900 devices, but you will be able to install it manually, or that is the latest I read few weeks ago |
| 12:00.19 | Kleggas | chadi: but Im not 100% sure where I read it, so dont go entirely on my words |
| 12:00.21 | chadi | so in other words, it will not be officially supprted OTA, but it will be possible to flash it or dual boot it |
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| 12:00.36 | Kleggas | chadi: thats what I understood |
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| 12:01.01 | chadi | yea, thank you for the info... |
| 12:01.03 | Stskeeps | chadi: there is a meego.com team that has a bunch of subcontractors and nokia employees working on the hardware adaptation for n900. nokia also provides (unsupported) closed source repository which contains 3d drivers and other closed bits for n900 owners. |
| 12:01.35 | Stskeeps | MeeGo Core + Handset UX + n900 hardware adaptation (open and closed) = a n900 handset image |
| 12:01.37 | chadi | oh, cool |
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| 12:09.58 | tybollt | hmm |
| 12:10.11 | tybollt | white spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o |
| 12:10.21 | tybollt | s/white/bright/ |
| 12:12.03 | chem|st | chadi: no offical upgrade that means so no OTA upgrade and no support |
| 12:12.36 | chadi | yea |
| 12:13.22 | chem|st | but thats fine with me, as long as all drivers are available |
| 12:13.45 | chadi | sure, ... and it's as if nokia provides weekly updates OTA :P |
| 12:14.08 | chem|st | right :) |
| 12:14.52 | chadi | by the way, were you able to do injection? |
| 12:14.54 | chem|st | has anyone thought of meego entertainment and server yet? |
| 12:15.03 | Macer | hm |
| 12:15.07 | obsidieth | chadi i did a litle googling, im not sure you vcan |
| 12:15.23 | chem|st | sry maemo I mean |
| 12:15.56 | chadi | the thread about WEP on talk.maemo.org did not reach any solution concerning injection.. |
| 12:16.24 | obsidieth | there sa video on youtube of someone using aircrack. maybe not injeting. |
| 12:16.48 | chadi | yeah, the WPA2 crack |
| 12:19.41 | chadi | yesterday, i captured about 65k IVs through an active client on the network, and the battery went from about 70% to 10% in about 30 minutes :P |
| 12:23.55 | timeless_mbp | mirf: oyster fwiw :) |
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| 12:24.41 | lcuk | has anyone seen my postit notes |
| 12:25.03 | E0x | what is the time that warranty cover ? |
| 12:25.13 | chem|st | lcuk: yeah someone was sticking them onto the postman's back |
| 12:25.21 | E0x | i check the warranty in the nokia site but i dont understand what say me |
| 12:25.39 | chem|st | E0x: warranty cover is related to the country you are in |
| 12:25.42 | lcuk | thanks chem|st ! |
| 12:25.57 | chem|st | lcuk: you are welcome |
| 12:26.16 | E0x | chem|st: well i not buy my self the phone , was buyed in USA |
| 12:26.21 | E0x | and give to me |
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| 12:28.01 | _0x47 | ok price-question: What would you do if all dependencies are given and program doesn't build in the SDK, but builds on my ubuntu machine? |
| 12:28.01 | chem|st | then USA warranty applies and thats 1 year afaik |
| 12:28.19 | E0x | chem|st: when i check in the page say this:......appears to be within the initial warranty period. This warranty verification covers the following 10 days. |
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| 12:28.42 | E0x | f you send your device in for repair after 10 days, please include a copy of the proof of purchase with your device to confirm that your unit is within the warranty period. |
| 12:28.54 | _0x47 | http://pastebin.com/zje7E8q4 |
| 12:28.58 | MohammadAG | grr, can't find any damn list with sdl keys |
| 12:29.04 | E0x | if i send the device after 10 day of buy it i need the proof the buy ? |
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| 12:29.26 | alterego | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/24/iphone4_retail/ |
| 12:29.34 | crashanddie | E0x: yes, you may also need some english lessons |
| 12:29.44 | MohammadAG | oh, found one |
| 12:29.53 | E0x | crashanddie: yes english is not my native language |
| 12:30.06 | crashanddie | why is that always the first excuse people use? |
| 12:30.18 | E0x | because is the true maybe ? |
| 12:30.29 | Kleggas | :D |
| 12:30.30 | chem|st | E0x: lol you tried the warranty check? |
| 12:30.30 | E0x | i never go to a school to learn english |
| 12:30.38 | E0x | chem|st: yes |
| 12:31.18 | Kleggas | crashanddie: not all countries have english classes in school :) |
| 12:31.20 | chem|st | E0x: thats just verifying that it is covered "at least" the next then days |
| 12:31.39 | chem|st | if you check in ten days it will tell the same I think |
| 12:32.04 | crashanddie | Kleggas: I didn't learn my English at school either ;) |
| 12:32.23 | chem|st | Kleggas: me neither |
| 12:32.26 | Kleggas | crashanddie: I did, and much more outside :p |
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| 12:32.49 | E0x | Kleggas: we have here but is a s**t and you don't learn anything , you need go to a specialized school for really learn |
| 12:33.03 | E0x | chem|st: hehehe |
| 12:33.04 | E0x | ok |
| 12:33.04 | E0x | thx |
| 12:33.48 | chem|st | you learn english by talking and thats the problem in most schools, they do not talk enough |
| 12:34.09 | E0x | i can't talk english |
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| 12:34.11 | chem|st | or languages in general |
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| 12:34.36 | n900-1 | hey guys |
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| 12:35.00 | E0x | here is easy learn english if you want because we have a lot of influence of USA |
| 12:35.17 | chem|st | E0x: I was able to write 2k words essays but wasn't able to have a descent conversation |
| 12:35.19 | E0x | tv,culture,etc |
| 12:36.06 | Kleggas | chem|st: true. I have several relatives at the balcan area, they all had english for several years in school and none of them knows one single word english.... What draws my attention more is those who are grown up in countries like Sweden (where Im from) where you have really good teaching in school, everywhere you are exposed to english, and we have amongst highest amount of computers per family, meaning internet = 100% english, and sti |
| 12:36.06 | Kleggas | hear people here that really do not know the language.... |
| 12:36.08 | chem|st | E0x: watching english movies/tv and such is good as you get used to the sound |
| 12:36.16 | Kleggas | chem|st: now THAT is something to be afraid of :D |
| 12:37.02 | chem|st | ? |
| 12:37.50 | MohammadAG | question, what's the best key to map 'quit' to if there's no escape button |
| 12:37.54 | chem|st | even if you are not able to speak yet by listening to it you learn to understand it properly |
| 12:38.00 | Kleggas | chem|st: I was just trying to point out that some are not exposed to english in a way that teaches them, while others are and yet don't learn.... nvm :p |
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| 12:39.42 | chem|st | ah that you mean, sure but that's the same over here, they are loosing it as english words get mixed up with local language in the wrong way |
| 12:40.06 | chem|st | so they are exposed but with the wrong relation |
| 12:40.10 | Kleggas | :) |
| 12:40.54 | achipa | MohammadAG: proxymity sensor |
| 12:41.17 | chem|st | kids listen to music about deep penetration and like the song, when you tell them it is about rippin of your ass and abuse them, they are shocked... |
| 12:42.20 | Kleggas | lol |
| 12:42.26 | MohammadAG | achipa, lol, I doubt SDL supports that :D |
| 12:43.00 | chem|st | like a 14 year old girl likes ayo technology in the milow remake, she does not know what this song is about and I like to keep it that way for now (poor soul) |
| 12:43.07 | MohammadAG | I tried SDLK_EQUALS, but apparently that's either not =, or the = on the N900 is not a regular SDLK_EQUALS |
| 12:45.47 | achipa | chem|st: oh, you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDCb44O6Euo |
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| 12:47.14 | chem|st | achipa: yeap |
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| 13:11.58 | MohammadAG | lol http://maemo.org/packages/view/notmynokia/ |
| 13:12.28 | obsidieth | whats mynokia? |
| 13:13.37 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 |
| 13:13.38 | povbot | Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user |
| 13:13.45 | MohammadAG | Umm, X-Fade ping? |
| 13:13.47 | SpeedEvil | ... |
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| 13:14.05 | MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt failed before it even started |
| 13:14.10 | SpeedEvil | my nokia is a service you are auto-subscribed to in many countries. |
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| 13:14.45 | MohammadAG | In some countries, unsbuscribing fails to do anything except take some off your credit |
| 13:15.26 | kW | Does anybody know there the camera application tries to store images when the $MYDOCSDIR directory changed? The camera application seems to report "Memory not accessible. Unable to save content." without cause. |
| 13:15.47 | SpeedEvil | What do you mena by $MYDOCS |
| 13:16.46 | SpeedEvil | It saves on the MMC if mydocs is mounted mass storage |
| 13:17.05 | jacekowski | i think that was problem with permissions |
| 13:17.24 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> What do you mena by $MYDOCS |
| 13:17.38 | MohammadAG | $MYDOCSDIR, an env variable |
| 13:17.47 | MohammadAG | echo $MYDOCSDIR on the N900 |
| 13:18.02 | Venemo | hi |
| 13:18.10 | Venemo | could anyone help me with this build log, please? |
| 13:18.11 | Venemo | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sticky-notes_0.1.2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 13:18.14 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR |
| 13:18.15 | MohammadAG | /home/user/MyDocs |
| 13:18.42 | ptl | ugly prompt :P |
| 13:18.44 | ptl | [user@n900 user]% echo $MYDOCSDIR |
| 13:18.52 | MohammadAG | Venemo, add libqt4-dev to build-depends in debian/control |
| 13:18.59 | Venemo | oh |
| 13:19.06 | Venemo | what else? |
| 13:19.12 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# hostname ptl-sucks |
| 13:19.12 | MohammadAG | ptl-sucks:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR |
| 13:19.12 | MohammadAG | /home/user/MyDocs |
| 13:19.18 | ptl | lol |
| 13:19.37 | MohammadAG | Venemo, redo the dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S command and upload it |
| 13:19.40 | Venemo | MohammadAG: is there a way to determine what other stuff should I add to it? |
| 13:19.48 | ptl | export PS1='\e[93m[\e[96m\u\e[92m@\e[96mn900 \e[92m\W\033[93m\]\033[95m%\e[0m ' |
| 13:20.03 | MohammadAG | Venemo, get a clean scratchbox install and try to build it :) |
| 13:20.26 | Venemo | MohammadAG: well, that is out of my reach ATM |
| 13:20.29 | Venemo | I use MADDE |
| 13:21.04 | MohammadAG | bleh |
| 13:21.08 | Venemo | MohammadAG: there is no build-depends section in the control file, just a plain depends section whose content is this: |
| 13:21.09 | Venemo | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
| 13:21.21 | MohammadAG | check the source line |
| 13:21.26 | MohammadAG | should be a paragraph above it |
| 13:21.39 | Venemo | the file begins with |
| 13:21.42 | Venemo | Source: sticky-notes |
| 13:21.55 | MohammadAG | then? |
| 13:22.07 | Venemo | Source: sticky-notes |
| 13:22.07 | Venemo | Section: user/Desktop |
| 13:22.07 | Venemo | Priority: extra |
| 13:22.07 | Venemo | Maintainer: Timur Kristóf (Venemo) <venemo@msn.com> |
| 13:22.07 | Venemo | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) |
| 13:22.07 | Venemo | Standards-Version: 3.7.3 |
| 13:22.08 | Venemo | Homepage: - (not yet) |
| 13:22.08 | Venemo | Package: sticky-notes |
| 13:22.09 | Venemo | Architecture: armel |
| 13:22.09 | Venemo | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
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| 13:22.10 | Venemo | XB-Maemo-Display-Name: Sticky Notes |
| 13:22.17 | ham5 | probly blows up |
| 13:22.18 | Venemo | then Description and XB-Maemo-Icon-26 |
| 13:22.18 | MohammadAG | ~pastebin |
| 13:22.21 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 13:22.40 | TigerTael | Uhh, come someone tell me why 'gTranslate' is always telling me to 'Please input valid text!'? |
| 13:22.47 | Venemo | MohammadAG: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/eve-watcher/trunk/poc/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/debian/control |
| 13:22.49 | TigerTael | Is there some kind of fix? |
| 13:23.04 | andre__ | TigerTael, well, would help to describe what you did before :-P |
| 13:23.10 | MohammadAG | Veggen, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) <-- |
| 13:23.13 | MohammadAG | err |
| 13:23.21 | Venemo | oh |
| 13:23.22 | MohammadAG | Venemo ^, sorry Veggen |
| 13:23.25 | TigerTael | andre__, used the application? |
| 13:23.43 | Venemo | MohammadAG: errr... i accidentally left case-sensitivity on when I searched |
| 13:23.54 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 13:23.56 | andre__ | TigerTael: like starting it and not opening any file and getting that error message straight after start? |
| 13:24.14 | TigerTael | andre__, no, you input the text on either the right or left field and press translate... |
| 13:24.28 | Stskeeps | w00t |
| 13:24.34 | Stskeeps | er, wrong button |
| 13:24.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 13:24.45 | Venemo | MohammadAG: is this OK? |
| 13:24.51 | andre__ | TigerTael: without providing *clear* steps: No, can't help |
| 13:25.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you have a dedicate w00t button! |
| 13:25.01 | Venemo | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) libqt4-dev (>=4.6) mce-dev hildon-notify-dev |
| 13:25.05 | MohammadAG | TigerTael, broken here too, Google changed there api I guess |
| 13:25.25 | Venemo | MohammadAG: should I add versions to mce-dev and hildon-notify-dev, too? |
| 13:25.29 | TigerTael | andre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate. |
| 13:25.31 | TigerTael | Jesus. |
| 13:25.32 | MohammadAG | Venemo, don't see why you need to version libqt4-dev since it's 4.6.2 by default |
| 13:25.44 | MohammadAG | Venemo, no, take out the version for libqt4-dev :) |
| 13:25.49 | Venemo | MohammadAG: okay |
| 13:25.54 | Venemo | MohammadAG: the others? |
| 13:26.01 | MohammadAG | keep them as they are |
| 13:26.05 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 13:26.05 | MohammadAG | wait |
| 13:26.09 | MohammadAG | add commas, didn't notice that |
| 13:26.23 | MohammadAG | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, mce-dev, hildon-notify-dev |
| 13:26.57 | N900rulz | URGENT REQUEST ***** where (or how) can I on my N900 follow live TEXT play by play of the world cup games? The FIFA one doesn't work. I dont want video, i want text play by play. Sorry I'm driving right now cant research on google. HELP ! |
| 13:27.24 | Termana | Can't do googling? |
| 13:27.27 | jacekowski | N900rulz: don't text while driving |
| 13:27.29 | Termana | Yet your DRIVING AND IRCING |
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| 13:27.49 | ManoftheSea | seems dangerous. Text play-by-play? Like, a twitter feed? |
| 13:27.54 | lcuk | N900rulz, IRC whilst driving? |
| 13:27.56 | ManoftheSea | there should be an IRC channel for that. |
| 13:28.04 | Stskeeps | N900rulz: why are you always driving and ircing? |
| 13:28.05 | andre__ | N900rulz: I've heard that IRC is text too, just like Google. But let me quickly google if that's really true... |
| 13:28.08 | lcuk | also, reading text stream WHILST DRIVING? |
| 13:28.21 | lcuk | N900rulz, ##world-cup |
| 13:28.23 | Venemo | MohammadAG: okay, thanks |
| 13:28.28 | N900rulz | SPARE ME THE MORALIZING PLEASE...TEXTING ON IRC IS EASY....PLEASE HELP !!! |
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| 13:28.38 | Venemo | MohammadAG: if the app uses gconf, then gconf-dev and so on? |
| 13:28.39 | lcuk | N900rulz, then join ##world-cup |
| 13:28.42 | MohammadAG | caps is more dangerous while driving |
| 13:28.46 | lcuk | it has running text of everything |
| 13:28.53 | andre__ | N900rulz: so Google is more complicated? I'm impressed about your typing skills then. ;-) |
| 13:28.58 | TigerTael | andre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate. |
| 13:28.58 | N900rulz | lcuk: what network they on? |
| 13:29.10 | tybollt | N900rulz: on this server |
| 13:29.21 | lcuk | this one |
| 13:29.22 | tybollt | N900rulz: join me there we're reporting for ya right now |
| 13:29.24 | MohammadAG | Venemo, no, the -dev packages contain headers, .h files, if the app #include(s) them then you need them in build-depends |
| 13:29.24 | ptl | I also type on IRC while driving sometimes |
| 13:29.28 | N900rulz | ok....thanks |
| 13:29.57 | andre__ | I sometimes read the newspaper while driving a car. Guess I'm oldschool. |
| 13:29.58 | lcuk | i can barely change radio station let along have a conversation |
| 13:29.59 | MohammadAG | andre__, I guess the API was changed, it was working for me before |
| 13:30.07 | lcuk | dont you also need 2 hands to type on n900 |
| 13:30.16 | lcuk | or has he got proto vkb? |
| 13:30.17 | N900rulz | GUYS DONT WORRY ... I AM A MASTER AT MULTITASKING ....BUT GOOGLING AND RESEARCHING IS HARDER WHEN DRIVING |
| 13:30.20 | MohammadAG | no, I can type with one hand |
| 13:30.42 | lcuk | N900rulz, you mean you are a lazy liar? |
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| 13:30.54 | N900rulz | IRC IS SIMPLE AND EASY....JUST LIKE TEXTING....NO WORRIES |
| 13:31.06 | Stskeeps | stop using caps |
| 13:31.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:31.13 | MohammadAG | +1 on that |
| 13:31.13 | lcuk | stop using irc |
| 13:31.38 | Termana | I think what he is really trying to say is that he is a big moron |
| 13:31.38 | ptl | doesn't caps lock work when driving? |
| 13:31.38 | jacekowski | N900rulz: i hope when you die you don't hurt anybody |
| 13:31.38 | lcuk | GAN900, technical input please - can you happily use n900 with one hand and type that fast? |
| 13:31.38 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 13:31.38 | jacekowski | N900rulz: and you will die in lot of pain |
| 13:31.56 | jacekowski | lcuk: he's probably holding it with both hands |
| 13:31.58 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I get 30WPM with one hand |
| 13:32.02 | N900rulz | why are u guys so mean???? there is nobody here on the road....its quiet streets....no worries |
| 13:32.20 | Termana | no worries. Oops you hit that old lady |
| 13:32.21 | lcuk | N900rulz, common sense |
| 13:32.31 | ptl | it's fun to be mean.... and I don't know the answer |
| 13:32.34 | Termana | Meow |
| 13:32.34 | Termana | there goes the cat |
| 13:32.39 | andre__ | N900rulz: Maybe it's just that Google is really not harder than IRC? |
| 13:32.40 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:32.42 | ptl | I am brazilian and I hate soccer |
| 13:32.44 | lcuk | i would like to know where you are so i can stay the hell out of your town |
| 13:32.50 | N900rulz | im holding the n900 and wheel at the same time aand i can type without looking on the keayboard |
| 13:33.04 | w00t_ | Stskeeps |
| 13:33.05 | ptl | can you read without looking at the screen? |
| 13:33.07 | jacekowski | N900rulz: what about looking at the road? |
| 13:33.07 | w00t_ | er, wrong button |
| 13:33.11 | Termana | Must be an iPhone user |
| 13:33.19 | ptl | maybe you use espeak for listening to IRC also :) |
| 13:33.42 | ptl | pelota app does that? |
| 13:33.43 | N900rulz | i quickly glance at the screen but most of the time i loook on the road |
| 13:33.54 | timeless_mbp | Hey, has anyone asked for notmynokia to be pushed to testing? |
| 13:34.16 | Termana | I haz haxored N900rulz's n900, I can see true hes camra. Big apple logo on back |
| 13:34.20 | Termana | :P |
| 13:34.29 | N900rulz | so you guys tell me honestly yous never drive and sms? honestly please. |
| 13:34.36 | jacekowski | N900rulz: no |
| 13:34.41 | MohammadAG | I don't drive |
| 13:34.43 | ptl | I said I did, N900rulz |
| 13:34.50 | Termana | MohammadAG, lies |
| 13:34.58 | MohammadAG | Termana, 16, can't have a license |
| 13:34.59 | N900rulz | lier lier pants on firee - jacekowski |
| 13:35.01 | jacekowski | Termana: he doesn't have driving license |
| 13:35.01 | Termana | MohammadAG, you drive - me up the wall |
| 13:35.04 | Termana | :P |
| 13:35.04 | jacekowski | N900rulz: nope |
| 13:35.05 | Termana | kidding |
| 13:35.12 | MohammadAG | Termana, rofl |
| 13:35.16 | jacekowski | N900rulz: i have phone in ashtray above radio |
| 13:35.17 | ptl | and I don't know the answer to your question because I don't like soccer... there's an app called pelota though and there are some recipes for queen beacon widget |
| 13:35.24 | jacekowski | N900rulz: so i can listen to music from fmtx |
| 13:35.25 | N900rulz | its innocent. stop making a big deal out of it |
| 13:35.35 | Termana | its innocent |
| 13:35.36 | auenf | wtf, i cant change the ip address for my email account without deleting it and putting it in again? |
| 13:35.37 | Termana | honestly officer |
| 13:35.45 | jacekowski | N900rulz: and disable gsm because it makes annoying noises in my radio |
| 13:35.55 | flailingmonkey | I met a guy a couple weeka |
| 13:35.56 | wazd | 's trying to find parts of his brain after meego song meditation |
| 13:36.14 | MiXu-_ | I've written stuff a few times while driving. Not innocent. :) |
| 13:36.15 | Stskeeps | wazd: audio could have been better |
| 13:36.19 | MiXu-_ | Almost hit a curb once |
| 13:36.22 | achipa | soccer... annoying noises... hmmm.... http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.maemo.org |
| 13:36.32 | ptl | stop trolling him, this makes it even more probable that he crashes his car |
| 13:36.35 | flailingmonkey | weeks back, and he died later that night because he was texting while driving on highway, plowed right into median |
| 13:36.45 | wazd | Stskeeps: let's wait for LP :D |
| 13:36.46 | Termana | ptl, teach him a lesson |
| 13:37.04 | ptl | I can't, I also don't know the lesson |
| 13:37.09 | ptl | I also drive and type |
| 13:37.13 | N900rulz | thanks for your help dudes....that widget is shit by the way |
| 13:37.15 | GAN900 | Ha, what great advertising |
| 13:37.29 | Termana | ptl, I meant, crashing his car will teach him a lesson |
| 13:37.35 | Termana | ptl, also, don't. |
| 13:37.42 | ptl | it won't, because he'll die |
| 13:37.43 | GAN900 | One of the waiters from a local restaurant rushed the field in South Africa |
| 13:37.50 | MohammadAG | me too, except I'm on my PS3 |
| 13:37.51 | ptl | dead people have learnt nothing |
| 13:38.05 | GAN900 | So the restaurant is giving free margaritas to anybody who says "Viva Joe" |
| 13:38.27 | ptl | don't say that. I love margaritas and I'm doing the atkins diet. |
| 13:38.31 | ptl | :( can't drink |
| 13:38.41 | jacekowski | ptl: one more moron eliminated from gene pool |
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| 13:38.46 | timeless_mbp | N900rulz: i don't |
| 13:38.46 | Termana | ptl, if he dies, he's teaching everyone else a lesson at least |
| 13:38.50 | timeless_mbp | doesn't drive at all |
| 13:38.53 | GAN900 | lol, Atkins. |
| 13:39.10 | Termana | timeless_mbp, private jet I assume? :P |
| 13:39.12 | ptl | I'm dumb enough that if he dies he won't teach me a lesson |
| 13:39.23 | lcuk | Termana, i dont give a damn about him, its anyone else he might inconvenience |
| 13:39.28 | N900rulz | why yous all so mean ?????? |
| 13:39.34 | GAN900 | achipa, elgato released a patch for EyeTV that includes a Vuvuzela filter. |
| 13:39.34 | lcuk | ie: cleaner having to sweep up his eyeballs |
| 13:39.59 | Termana | lcuk, heh, I think if he runs over someone its going to be a little more than an inconvenience |
| 13:40.02 | jacekowski | ptl: then you will die |
| 13:40.10 | ptl | :( |
| 13:40.10 | timeless_mbp | Termana: nah, i walk :) |
| 13:40.14 | ptl | some day I will |
| 13:40.14 | Termana | "Ouch, you ran over me! What an inconvenience" |
| 13:40.15 | jacekowski | ptl: and that's how evolution works |
| 13:40.17 | ptl | every one of us will |
| 13:40.19 | jacekowski | ptl: and natural selection |
| 13:40.39 | lcuk | Termana, i was avoiding that incase hes alone on a country road |
| 13:40.45 | ptl | jacekowski: evolution is bullshit, I am adept of intelligent design |
| 13:40.58 | achipa | GAN900: but... does it run on Linux ? :) |
| 13:41.08 | ptl | (just kidding, I just finished my master degree in molecular philogeny) |
| 13:41.09 | jacekowski | ptl: intelligent design is a bullshit |
| 13:41.14 | N900rulz | one more question.....if i wanted to send yous all a pic here on irce whats the comand in xchat? |
| 13:41.21 | GAN900 | achipa, no. :P |
| 13:41.26 | lcuk | andre__, another community patch on its way through :) |
| 13:41.29 | ptl | N900rulz: /dcc send nickname /path/to/picture |
| 13:41.42 | Termana | N900rulz, difficult to send it to the whole room |
| 13:41.50 | lcuk | this one is for bug 7256 |
| 13:41.52 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7256 Maemo should use en_GB as default fallback in locales |
| 13:41.56 | MohammadAG | /dcc send #maemo ? |
| 13:41.58 | jacekowski | imageshac + paste a link |
| 13:41.58 | Termana | N900rulz, it would be better to upload it to imageshack or something and give us the link |
| 13:42.01 | MohammadAG | just a guess btw |
| 13:42.02 | andre__ | lcuk, nice |
| 13:42.05 | GAN900 | Termana, he's got all the time in the world while driving. |
| 13:42.07 | Termana | MohammadAG, I don't think that works |
| 13:44.05 | achipa | soooo... what's the difference between "Forum Nokia Projects" and garage (either Maemo or whatever MeeGo garage will actually be) ? |
| 13:44.23 | timeless_mbp | form nokia is run by your friends at forum nokia |
| 13:44.33 | achipa | (apart from dput style stuff and Extras, obviously) |
| 13:44.40 | N900rulz | oooops.....cops |
| 13:45.00 | flailingmonkey | fail |
| 13:45.02 | Termana | WIN! |
| 13:45.15 | flailingmonkey | timeless_mbp: you work on mozilla stuff right? |
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| 13:45.21 | N900rulz | dude didnt see me..... lol |
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| 13:45.24 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 13:45.34 | Termana | fail |
| 13:45.39 | achipa | timeless_mbp: I know that, was thinking in community terms, as there was this how cool MeeGo garage will be talk, only to turn into silence... |
| 13:45.49 | Termana | Your meant to let him chase you and give you a big fine |
| 13:46.29 | N900rulz | funny thing is cops themselves text and drive....see them all tthe time bastards |
| 13:46.40 | timeless_mbp | achipa: i've never found garage.maemo.org to be wonderful |
| 13:46.40 | GAN900 | achipa, no worries, if you want to use Forum Nokia, you gotta have liability insurance. :P |
| 13:46.53 | timeless_mbp | but i've used it |
| 13:47.01 | timeless_mbp | i have no interest in FN |
| 13:47.05 | lcuk | N900rulz, can i ask, since you are driving - why are you using a rogers cable ip? |
| 13:47.09 | timeless_mbp | beyond the fact that they shipped an n810 to a friend for me |
| 13:47.23 | mirf | is there a more straight forward was to use network over usb than cygwin? |
| 13:47.25 | N900rulz | I am not... i am on my n900 through edge |
| 13:47.36 | lcuk | thats not what your ip says |
| 13:47.47 | achipa | timeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly if we were encouraged to develop further garage.maemo.org... |
| 13:47.49 | N900rulz | lcuk: check your shit and stop implying i'm liying |
| 13:48.06 | N900rulz | lcuk: shall is send you a screenshot? |
| 13:48.10 | ManoftheSea | lcuk, there are other alternatives. |
| 13:48.11 | achipa | s/if/as if/ |
| 13:48.22 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 13:48.22 | ManoftheSea | I mean, I'm not actually at my IRC IP right now either. |
| 13:48.43 | ManoftheSea | I'm SSH+screen'd into my home. |
| 13:48.53 | lcuk | N900rulz, actually no i'd rather not, you arent concentrating enough as it is |
| 13:49.12 | flailingmonkey | we're in a vaccuum, and so nothing will happen without that being filled by authoritative information, or someone takes charge in their own way |
| 13:49.16 | lcuk | goes ack to other places |
| 13:49.18 | N900rulz | why woud i lie.... i am not at home |
| 13:49.18 | timeless_mbp | ManoftheSea: please don't encourage him |
| 13:49.33 | timeless_mbp | so it's ok to lie from home? |
| 13:49.43 | Termana | lol |
| 13:50.10 | Termana | 100 internets for you timeless_mbp |
| 13:50.33 | achipa | but it's a sad sort of fun to see meego.com try to be primarily a home to Qt developers, considering FN, qtcentre et al |
| 13:50.40 | N900rulz | lcuk where are you??? |
| 13:50.56 | MohammadAG | mars, same solar system |
| 13:51.24 | timeless_mbp | wouldn't FN be a home for Java devs? :) |
| 13:51.26 | achipa | mars means 'get outta here' in some languages |
| 13:51.47 | lcuk | N900rulz, thankfully on another continent to you |
| 13:51.50 | lcuk | thats scary |
| 13:51.52 | Termana | achipa, mars |
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| 13:52.20 | N900rulz | i am here on studies....goin back tou europe soon !!!! |
| 13:53.13 | Termana | N900rulz, oh I see, so your driving to Europe from the US? I hadn't realised they invented cars to do that. |
| 13:53.22 | achipa | Termana: you/M-AG mean Mars, but let's not be grammar nazis |
| 13:53.24 | Termana | :P |
| 13:53.49 | N900rulz | no....Im drivin from to school to where i live...in july i fly back to europe |
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| 13:54.44 | Termana | N900rulz, so your home is in europe? |
| 13:54.47 | N900rulz | the n900 is not mine i borrowed it... i gonna buy one when im in europe |
| 13:55.29 | achipa | timeless_mbp: Java? Well, they did kinda join the Qt push lately (or so I hear/see). |
| 13:56.00 | N900rulz | lcuk: im still waiting for the apology buddy ;-) |
| 13:56.18 | Termana | hah |
| 13:56.57 | lcuk | N900rulz, pull over to the side of the road whilst talking and i will apologise |
| 13:56.57 | MohammadAG | N900rulz, you'll get it when PR1.5 arrives :) |
| 13:57.11 | jacekowski | it seems that recently there is more suicidal people on this channel |
| 13:57.17 | N900rulz | lcuk: just kidding mate.... |
| 13:57.18 | jacekowski | there was that canadian bloke couple days ago |
| 13:57.21 | lcuk | no jacekowski hes not the first |
| 13:57.29 | N900rulz | (about aologizing) |
| 13:57.37 | Termana | N900rulz, do you know your number plate? |
| 13:57.52 | MohammadAG | 14M1337900 |
| 13:58.30 | MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt any ideas? anyone? |
| 13:58.32 | Termana | MohammadAG, :P I see what you did there |
| 13:58.40 | N900rulz | guys let me ask you a question: i am not a linux geek like yous all....am i annoying yous by coming here? |
| 13:58.41 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: builder is broken probably |
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| 14:00.04 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/thread.html some packages were successful between my 2 failed ones |
| 14:00.25 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you spelt urgency wrong in the changelog |
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| 14:00.52 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: yeah, lrn2spl |
| 14:00.55 | MohammadAG | bangs head on desk |
| 14:01.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: couple more times |
| 14:01.36 | MohammadAG | shoots jacekowski |
| 14:02.06 | jacekowski | you missed |
| 14:02.31 | MohammadAG | fires a nuke at jacekowski |
| 14:02.32 | achipa | it's because of all the headbanging. Shoot first, THEN bang head |
| 14:03.10 | lcuk | wheres han solo when you need him |
| 14:03.33 | RST38h | helo lcuk |
| 14:04.19 | lcuk | 250 lcuk Hello RST38h |
| 14:04.31 | pigeon | anyone uses shortcutd with the proximity sensor? |
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| 14:06.26 | flailingmonkey | frozen bubble would be awesome :) |
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| 14:06.38 | mirf | why on earth is the charging port on TOP of the phone? |
| 14:06.56 | mirf | ludicrous |
| 14:07.13 | nidO | well, another way to look at it is that it's on the left end of the tablet |
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| 14:08.14 | MohammadAG | the N86 has the USB port on top too |
| 14:08.26 | MohammadAG | but yeah, the N900 has it on the left side |
| 14:11.30 | flailingmonkey | well, it can't be on at the bottom of the keyboard, because then you couldn't charge while using its kickstand |
| 14:11.53 | pigeon | hmm, that's the first time i've seen this: "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s" |
| 14:11.54 | achipa | flailingmonkey: what kickstand ? |
| 14:12.05 | nidO | theres only one kickstand on an n900 |
| 14:12.12 | flailingmonkey | perhaps switching the lock switch and headphones would have been possible |
| 14:12.35 | flailingmonkey | s/headphones/headphones with the usb port/ |
| 14:14.30 | MohammadAG | someone should really fix the i386 version of maemo-optify |
| 14:14.30 | flailingmonkey | my guess is that the headphone port only fit where it is right now, and the usb next to the headphone port might have had too much noise |
| 14:14.32 | MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 14:15.16 | achipa | what flailingmonkey says, power electronics and sound are not friends |
| 14:15.36 | achipa | (not impossible, but a lot more difficult to do right) |
| 14:16.57 | achipa | still, this black plasting thingy is no replacement for the N810 kickstand, USB charging be damned |
| 14:17.47 | lcuk | this is awesome; vuvuzela in DOOM !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPPyjtw5WU |
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| 14:18.17 | jacekowski | lcuk: niggerhorn* |
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| 14:19.12 | lcuk | get lost jacekowski, theres no need for racism |
| 14:19.58 | mirf | what is it with this chan ? |
| 14:20.14 | MohammadAG | most of us don't do drugs |
| 14:20.22 | nidO | some of us do |
| 14:21.38 | lcuk | mirf active moderators sometimes would be good, sometimes feel like i would kick some folks |
| 14:21.40 | flailingmonkey | jacekowski just really likes that term, makes him feel edgy and hip |
| 14:21.56 | lcuk | jacekowski would be gone right now for instance |
| 14:22.17 | mirf | mm |
| 14:22.19 | MohammadAG | ops lcuk |
| 14:22.21 | _0x47 | Could someone explain me why this happens? http://pastebin.com/B0nTXv7n It found boostlib but could not link? |
| 14:22.21 | flailingmonkey | who is sop on #maemo |
| 14:22.25 | mirf | and that hkuy guy yesterday,,, |
| 14:22.30 | mirf | *khuy |
| 14:22.36 | MohammadAG | wishes he could do that - oh well |
| 14:22.52 | mirf | gaaahhh I can't wait to get home |
| 14:23.02 | mirf | I wanna play n900 |
| 14:23.34 | n900-1 | can anyone give me a clue to how to convert qt creator project into MADDE compileable thing? |
| 14:23.36 | MohammadAG | do something wacky at work, get fired, ???, profit... errr |
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| 14:25.37 | amigadave | _0x47: check config.log which should give you a more verbose error message |
| 14:25.44 | _0x47 | k thanks |
| 14:26.37 | _0x47 | amigadave: that's kinda cryptic, let me pastebin it |
| 14:26.55 | _0x47 | amigadave: http://pastebin.com/14FjTCJw |
| 14:27.21 | achipa | n900-1: add a Maemo target ? Provided your QtCreator is from the Nokia Qt SDK |
| 14:28.16 | amigadave | _0x47: and that is the whole file? it should normally be quite long, 100 lines say |
| 14:28.20 | amigadave | 1000 |
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| 14:28.57 | _0x47 | amigadave: oh sry, I just took the last lines, let me paste the whole thing. |
| 14:30.10 | luke-jr | anyone here good with non-electronic coding? |
| 14:30.15 | _0x47 | amigadave: here we go: http://pastebin.com/HRQMYSQN |
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| 14:31.07 | n900-1 | umm, achipa thanks for the reply. I have madde setup, and i can build test hello application and deploy to n900 through command line and run stuff and test. Now I want to take some small application from the qt creator installed on my pc, lets say the Address Book part 1 example which only has 2 text boxes, compile it through madde and deploy to n900 and run. |
| 14:31.20 | jacekowski | lcuk: you mean like a punch card coding or something? |
| 14:31.42 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no, even simpler XD |
| 14:31.58 | jacekowski | luke-jr: programming a washing machine? |
| 14:31.59 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I want an object to fall down the side of my wall over a period of 12 hours |
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| 14:32.15 | luke-jr | so far my only idea is a floating ball, and a slow leak |
| 14:32.27 | jacekowski | luke-jr: that will make it slow down |
| 14:32.37 | jacekowski | as less water means less pressure |
| 14:32.42 | luke-jr | :( |
| 14:32.59 | jacekowski | so if you calibrate it that 1l would be 1h |
| 14:33.11 | jacekowski | then 10l would be something around 3h |
| 14:33.12 | luke-jr | need a constant rate |
| 14:33.24 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: added tsc2005 to my set of patches |
| 14:33.27 | luke-jr | or at least near-constant |
| 14:34.01 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you would need something like an old clock |
| 14:34.07 | jacekowski | luke-jr: and tweak it little bit |
| 14:34.38 | amigadave | _0x47: i guess from line 495 and 548 that you are building against the same libstdc++ as boost was built against? |
| 14:35.40 | _0x47 | amigadave: yes |
| 14:35.42 | achipa | n900-1: but is that qt creator a standalone one or part of the Nokia Qt SDK (it does matter) |
| 14:36.52 | n900-1 | stand alone one |
| 14:36.55 | _0x47 | amigadave: i installed some debian packages to satisfy dependencies. see the list here: http://pastebin.com/f6nJzVR7 |
| 14:37.14 | achipa | n900-1: if you ask me you should not bother with using MADDE manually... the QtCreator from the aforementioned SDK will deal with Madde and deployment... |
| 14:37.21 | _0x47 | after that no complains were left |
| 14:37.45 | n900-1 | yea ... i'll be downloding the 1.0 sdk tonight :) .. but just too excited to run the sample |
| 14:38.00 | n900-1 | achipa: its giving the error >> cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading .. |
| 14:38.50 | n900-1 | and i have googled so i'm at a page where this guys is saying that the changlog file should be created in the staging area |
| 14:38.58 | n900-1 | the webpage says "The debian directory is found in the package staging area used by MADDE. The staging area is where the package is prepared and assembled. The changelog file should be created in the debian directory at that place." |
| 14:39.07 | n900-1 | where is that area can you specify ? |
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| 14:39.25 | n900-1 | i'm using windows 7 32 bits |
| 14:40.31 | N900rulz | freak my dad gonna kill me |
| 14:40.43 | jacekowski | N900rulz: have you crashed his car? |
| 14:41.00 | N900rulz | i put $1000 on the italy game and they are losing !!!! |
| 14:41.13 | Stskeeps | heh, serves you right |
| 14:41.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:41.16 | jacekowski | that's even worse |
| 14:41.28 | Stskeeps | and who'd bet on italy? ;p |
| 14:41.35 | N900rulz | now i have to ask him for more $$$$ he gonna freak |
| 14:41.49 | jacekowski | i never spend money on gambling like that |
| 14:42.02 | N900rulz | freak !!!!!!!! |
| 14:42.11 | jacekowski | i would just get rid of you |
| 14:42.37 | jacekowski | and tell you to never come back |
| 14:42.51 | N900rulz | sorry guys i know its not linux but my ass is on the line.....f**k !!!! |
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| 14:42.59 | yuizy | $1000 :D |
| 14:43.05 | yuizy | sorry |
| 14:43.07 | N900rulz | yes.....fack |
| 14:43.09 | jacekowski | well, i would never gave you $1000 in a first place |
| 14:43.11 | Stskeeps | N900evil: sell him your car and n900 |
| 14:43.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:43.15 | _0x47 | amigadave: are you still alive? |
| 14:43.20 | N900rulz | now i gotta pay rent and food..... |
| 14:43.32 | jacekowski | N900rulz: just die |
| 14:43.53 | jacekowski | N900rulz: it's your fault, live with consequences |
| 14:44.03 | N900rulz | it was money for rent and food andd ticket back ghome..... |
| 14:44.04 | amigadave | _0x47: just trying to find that symbol, have not come across it so far... |
| 14:44.22 | _0x47 | amigadave: oh well, take your time, just was worried :P Thanks! |
| 14:44.28 | N900rulz | the game is not over yet......go italy ! |
| 14:44.40 | _0x47 | fking italy will lose |
| 14:45.13 | N900rulz | my dad will disown me... he gonna have a hart attck |
| 14:45.40 | _0x47 | wtf it's your fault, live with it and bet less next time |
| 14:45.46 | _0x47 | or just don't bet |
| 14:46.11 | N900rulz | but odds were good i needed $$$$ |
| 14:46.26 | N900rulz | freak i am worried old man will lose it |
| 14:47.23 | _0x47 | lol stfu now, he's prolly not gonna die |
| 14:47.42 | flailingmonkey | he's just going to facepalm |
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| 14:47.55 | flailingmonkey | and then facepalm your face |
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| 14:48.30 | N900rulz | you dont get it....my old man is very strict...pickle up his ass he has |
| 14:48.36 | jacekowski | i would do DNA test after that |
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| 14:48.48 | jacekowski | just to make sure it's my son |
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| 14:49.31 | N900rulz | plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours |
| 14:49.35 | _0x47 | i guess italy's gonna win anyways, so maybe just wait and see? |
| 14:49.43 | N900rulz | ok |
| 14:49.46 | _0x47 | thanks |
| 14:50.00 | jacekowski | N900rulz: maybe that's because you're stupid |
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| 14:51.01 | N900rulz | jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life |
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| 14:51.26 | TigerTael | lol |
| 14:51.34 | Stskeeps | N900rulz: you sound awfully lot like a spoiled brat indeed |
| 14:51.46 | amigadave | _0x47: it appears that you are using the scratchbox gcc (4.2.1) and not the gcc from the packages that you downloaded |
| 14:51.59 | amigadave | which would probably explain the missing symbol |
| 14:53.00 | mirf | hahahaha |
| 14:53.13 | mirf | most fun thing so far... telnet star wars |
| 14:53.19 | jacekowski | N900rulz: but you just said that you can't afford a rent |
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| 14:55.18 | N900rulz | jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous |
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| 14:58.05 | Kegetys | if you are rich then pay it from your own pocket and dont tell him |
| 14:58.21 | MohammadAG | e-yes, ping, again? |
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| 14:59.18 | luke-jr | N900rulz: money and stupid are not exclusive |
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| 14:59.21 | _0x47 | amigadave: are you sure, let me verify |
| 15:00.04 | amigadave | _0x47: checking config.log, there is only mention of gcc 4.2.1 |
| 15:00.43 | amigadave | it seems that package accepts boost 1.36 anyway, so the boost version in extras-devel might be sufficient (1.38) |
| 15:00.51 | amigadave | but i am not sure |
| 15:01.03 | _0x47 | amigadave: hm, it said "Preparing to replace gcc-4.4-base 4.4.4-5 (using gcc-4.4-base_4.4.4-5_armel.deb) ..." that seems to be already 4.4. |
| 15:01.27 | _0x47 | build fails with 1.38 tho, hence the try with 1.42 |
| 15:02.22 | e-yes | MohammadAG, icmp response:) |
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| 15:02.36 | _0x47 | trying again atm as it seemed to install the gcc instead of saying it's already there |
| 15:02.43 | _0x47 | amigadave: no, same error |
| 15:02.54 | MohammadAG | e-yes, I got your patches from gitorious yesterday, they break the ts in maemo :) |
| 15:03.02 | Stskeeps | .. wtf are you doing |
| 15:03.13 | _0x47 | amigadave: how can I ensure that it uses gcc 4.4 instead of 4.2? |
| 15:03.21 | amigadave | _0x47: you will probably not be able to replace the toolchain in scratchbox without major surgery |
| 15:03.42 | e-yes | MohammadAG, aha, you have to left old modules in Maemo, especially ts. |
| 15:03.54 | _0x47 | 0x47: i feel like i have to if I ever want to build that POS... |
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| 15:04.17 | jacekowski | amigadave: it's quite easy |
| 15:04.26 | jacekowski | amigadave: toolchain is in one devkit |
| 15:04.28 | amigadave | _0x47: what was the build error with boost 1.38? |
| 15:04.32 | jacekowski | amigadave: so you just need to build one |
| 15:04.36 | MohammadAG | e-yes, tsc2005? so basically I need to have the ts modules for maemo when loading maemo and the android one when loading android? |
| 15:04.42 | jacekowski | amigadave: and add another devkit |
| 15:04.46 | e-yes | ts ccontains patches for android. unfortunately, android expects slightly different ts coord. range |
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| 15:04.48 | MohammadAG | e-yes, oh and I'm not using your image, I built my own one :) |
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| 15:05.15 | _0x47 | amigadave: http://pastebin.com/zje7E8q4 |
| 15:05.36 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 15:05.56 | *** mode/#maemo [-b+b *!user@74.198.38.251 *!*user@74.198.38.251] by Stskeeps |
| 15:05.58 | MohammadAG | banning the nick itself is sometimes helpful |
| 15:06.05 | _0x47 | amigadave: additionally when I try to "fakeroot apt-get remove gcc-4.2" it wants to remove my 1.42 boost libs |
| 15:06.05 | Stskeeps | idiot changes nicks often |
| 15:06.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.51 | e-yes | MohammadAG, yes, all compiled modules I copy to android rootfs, and leave maemo's modules intact |
| 15:07.21 | MohammadAG | e-yes, oh, I see, I'll reflash it again I guess :) |
| 15:07.24 | MohammadAG | e-yes, thanks |
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| 15:09.43 | MohammadAG | e-yes, oh and another thing, the overclock.diff patch doesn't actually overclock the device, it's the same as the kernel-power one right? |
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| 15:13.30 | amigadave | _0x47: seems as though that build error has nothing to do with the boost version |
| 15:14.04 | _0x47 | :'( |
| 15:14.21 | _0x47 | amigadave: so what? i can't find out what the problem is |
| 15:14.48 | _0x47 | i'm about to replace the whole build system in the SDK |
| 15:15.19 | amigadave | _0x47: looks like it is complaining about SDL_mixer headers, the Max_Chunk typedef is forward-declared as a struct in hch/CMusicHandler.h of vcmi |
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| 15:15.53 | _0x47 | yeah i already tried to check this one out. the weird thing is that it compiles on my ubuntu machine without problems |
| 15:16.08 | amigadave | maybe your SDL_mixer version is different? |
| 15:16.29 | _0x47 | err, different from what? |
| 15:16.47 | amigadave | the version in Scratchbox |
| 15:17.23 | _0x47 | hm, is it possible to get a second armel target in scratchbox? i bet I already messed mine up, but want to keep it for reference... |
| 15:18.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
| 15:18.16 | Jaffa | dneary: ping |
| 15:18.18 | Jaffa | andre__: ping |
| 15:18.22 | amigadave | yeah, use sb-menu to guide you through it, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation has some hints |
| 15:18.48 | dneary | Hi Jaffa |
| 15:19.23 | _0x47 | amigadave: k thanks, let me do that and check the version. how much longer will you be around? |
| 15:20.14 | amigadave | _0x47: heading home soon, but will be around tomorrow |
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| 15:20.41 | dneary | Did everyone see this: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N20Y20100624 |
| 15:20.56 | MohammadAG | ~flasher |
| 15:20.57 | infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 15:21.02 | MohammadAG | ~botsnack |
| 15:21.02 | infobot | MohammadAG: :) |
| 15:21.24 | _0x47 | amigadave: k then I'll come back to you tomorrow, heading home too, but will probably online there too |
| 15:21.46 | amigadave | _0x47: good luck :) |
| 15:22.01 | _0x47 | thanks a bunch |
| 15:22.17 | Dassu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.21 | mirf | what do you say when someone asks you if your n900 is better than their iphone? |
| 15:22.31 | mirf | they are incomparible! |
| 15:22.43 | mirf | so vastly different |
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| 15:23.59 | Dassu | I'm gonna be like "yeaaaah...." I get away fast as possible stupidity doesn't spread to me |
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| 15:28.08 | GAN900 | mirf, sadly the iPhone 4 really starts to pull away. |
| 15:28.54 | Kegetys | for me it wont until it gets a keyboard at least |
| 15:29.13 | GAN900 | The screen is jaw dropping |
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| 15:30.40 | MohammadAG | GAN900, you haven't seen the problems have you :) |
| 15:30.53 | MohammadAG | GAN900, http://gizmodo.com, they're on the first page |
| 15:31.29 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=727741#post727741 |
| 15:31.32 | Stskeeps | i vote they bring in abill_uk |
| 15:31.54 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 15:32.18 | mirf | iphone will always be miles behind |
| 15:32.44 | mirf | but as I say |
| 15:32.47 | mirf | you can't compare them |
| 15:34.15 | flailingmonkey | OS != hardware |
| 15:35.11 | Lullen | how do I select an item in a qlistview by knowing its index? And how do I disable manual editing? |
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| 15:37.36 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, meh, no problem with ours. |
| 15:38.18 | MohammadAG | GAN900, "ours"? |
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| 15:39.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/bacon_love |
| 15:41.07 | vldcnst | that's a poster worth buying |
| 15:42.16 | Jaffa | mirf: If the iPhone 4 is as fast and smooth as an iPad, it's miles ahead of the N900 in terms of user experience. |
| 15:42.42 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, my mother's. . . . |
| 15:42.49 | jaska | no kbd -> useless |
| 15:42.55 | MohammadAG | GAN900, oh ok |
| 15:42.58 | GAN900 | Jaffa, faster in some ways. 512MB |
| 15:43.06 | Jaffa | GAN900: Eek |
| 15:43.32 | Jaffa | wonders if Harmattan device's "OMAP3430" will be up to the task; hopefully a fully optimised Qt stack will help. |
| 15:43.34 | GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah, it pretty much blows everything out of the water. |
| 15:43.46 | MohammadAG | I like the iPhone, hate the non-existent community |
| 15:43.49 | MohammadAG | brb, going out |
| 15:43.49 | Corsac | I have to admit I find it looking nice, the square look etc. |
| 15:44.04 | GAN900 | Fast A8, faster graphics than all of the other SoCs, huge RAM, huge resolution |
| 15:44.06 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: 'salright, we're well on our way to that with MeeGo :-( |
| 15:44.20 | GAN900 | Rumor mill says OMAP3630 |
| 15:44.31 | flailingmonkey | in many ways the N900 competes with the iPad and the iPhone simultaneously |
| 15:44.40 | chem|st | Stskeeps: someone will get killed that night |
| 15:44.43 | Jaffa | GAN900: For Harmattan device? |
| 15:44.47 | GAN900 | But Nokia is really gonna have to bring the heat for the N900+1 to compete with this. |
| 15:44.51 | GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah. |
| 15:45.05 | wazd | Isner vs Mahut - oh my |
| 15:45.20 | Jaffa | GAN900: Did it say OMAP3 or 3430 in Amsterdam? |
| 15:45.26 | Corsac | wazd: yeah, it's crazy |
| 15:45.28 | Lullen | The first meego phone from nokia will be harmattan, but when will we get a real meego phone from nokia? |
| 15:45.31 | GAN900 | I'd buy the iPhone 4 in a heartbeat if iOS wasn't so boring. |
| 15:45.36 | GAN900 | Jaffa, OMAP3 |
| 15:45.52 | GAN900 | capacitive, WVGA |
| 15:45.55 | Jaffa | GAN900: Yup; that was my impression from an iPad. Shiny; impressive; fun to use but boring after an hour or two |
| 15:45.57 | Corsac | and I don't exactly like the locked-down ecosystem |
| 15:46.03 | Corsac | iOS + iTunes etc. |
| 15:46.05 | Jaffa | WVGA == 800x480? |
| 15:46.08 | Jaffa | (stupid acronyms) |
| 15:46.10 | timeless_mbp | Lullen: before 2035! |
| 15:46.18 | timeless_mbp | or was it 2036 |
| 15:46.19 | wazd | Jaffa: or 848x480 |
| 15:46.24 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: the overflow? |
| 15:46.24 | timeless_mbp | wasn't very good w/ tea leaves |
| 15:46.32 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: it's somewhere over there, yeah :) |
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| 15:47.39 | Corsac | 2038 |
| 15:47.48 | wazd | MohammadAG: have you heard? It's i"everythingbutthephone" now |
| 15:48.09 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 15:48.10 | wazd | matchball |
| 15:48.12 | RST38h | how is life? |
| 15:48.25 | RST38h | got yourself an iphone 4g? =) |
| 15:48.26 | achipa | Jaffa: or 854x480 |
| 15:48.46 | Jaffa | achipa: wazd: So, basically 800ishx480. |
| 15:48.56 | Corsac | 70-68 then |
| 15:48.58 | wazd | oh shit, they've finised :D |
| 15:49.03 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 15:49.07 | Corsac | too bad :) |
| 15:49.09 | wazd | finished* |
| 15:49.12 | RST38h | who? |
| 15:49.19 | Corsac | ilsnet-mahut |
| 15:49.21 | wazd | RST38h: http://www.championat.ru/tennis/_wimbledon/472/match/22806.html |
| 15:49.25 | Corsac | ner* |
| 15:49.28 | Corsac | and Ilsner won |
| 15:49.32 | wazd | RST38h: epic tennis battle :) |
| 15:49.34 | Corsac | Isner* |
| 15:49.48 | achipa | Jaffa: yes, sort of favourite aspect ratio * 480 |
| 15:50.11 | wazd | Corsac: I think they should marry each other now :D |
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| 15:50.41 | Corsac | yeah :) |
| 15:51.31 | RST38h | wazd: oh that... |
| 15:55.54 | wazd | RST38h: I'm fine, finishing my top secret project :) |
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| 15:58.21 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, android boots up, shows Powering down then turns off the device |
| 15:58.24 | MohammadAG51 | weird |
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| 16:00.09 | GAN900 | Jaffa, or slightly more or less. |
| 16:00.22 | GAN900 | Depending upon exactly how "wide" |
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| 16:00.54 | GAN900 | Oops |
| 16:00.57 | lcuk | lol Stskeeps |
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| 16:03.36 | trip0 | does maemo use a build system like obs that you can push code and have it build packages and add it to a repo somewhere? |
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| 16:05.26 | Stskeeps | trip0: maemo extras, but we're building a obs as well |
| 16:06.32 | trip0 | searches wiki |
| 16:06.36 | trip0 | thanks Stskeeps |
| 16:06.52 | trip0 | will obs be up soon? |
| 16:07.06 | Stskeeps | it'll be the same obs as the meego community obs, i believe |
| 16:07.20 | trip0 | it'll just build for fremantle? |
| 16:08.14 | Stskeeps | well we haven't seen any SDKs for harmattan.. |
| 16:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | diablo? |
| 16:09.03 | trip0 | harmattan still lives? |
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| 16:09.14 | trip0 | i thought it was going to be "meego" |
| 16:09.16 | Stskeeps | N900killa: yes, we get it, you just lost 1000$ |
| 16:09.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:09.27 | N900killa | shoot |
| 16:09.34 | N900killa | I'm dead |
| 16:09.47 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 16:09.50 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
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| 16:10.18 | N900killa | what should i do? |
| 16:10.29 | trip0 | run |
| 16:10.33 | trip0 | hide |
| 16:10.38 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@gateway/web/ip.74.198.*] by Stskeeps |
| 16:10.38 | N900killa | no more internet for me |
| 16:10.40 | trip0 | wear body-armour |
| 16:10.54 | *** kick/#maemo [N900killa!~cvm@Maemo/community/distmaster/Stskeeps] by Stskeeps (i recommend to stop ban evading.) |
| 16:11.23 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.*/] by Stskeeps |
| 16:11.26 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.*] by Stskeeps |
| 16:11.29 | Stskeeps | god, i suck. |
| 16:11.47 | *** mode/#maemo [-bb *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.*/ *!*@gateway/web/ip.74.198.*] by Stskeeps |
| 16:11.51 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 16:12.09 | trip0 | do I want to ask what that was all about? |
| 16:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 16:12.35 | lcuk | its the same guy that got bored midmorning each day this week isnt it? |
| 16:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:12.52 | Stskeeps | trip0: read channel scrollback.. he's been trolling for days including claiming he was a nokia employee and not being able to answer simple questions.. and being kinda hostile in general |
| 16:12.54 | lcuk | nods |
| 16:12.54 | trip0 | notes not to mess with Stskeeps |
| 16:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | trip0: wait til you start messing with ME :-P |
| 16:13.32 | Stskeeps | so we're a bit tired of him :) |
| 16:13.37 | lcuk | trip0, you neednt be concerned with Stskeeps - its that GAN900 fellow you should worry about ;) |
| 16:13.53 | Stskeeps | (usually we are very happy about any nokians or ex-nokians as long as they're friendly) |
| 16:13.56 | luke-jr | just ban *!*@* |
| 16:14.00 | luke-jr | that'll keep him out |
| 16:14.07 | trip0 | lol |
| 16:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 16:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't feel upset about him the last ~24h |
| 16:16.23 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: have you tried banning his nick yet? |
| 16:16.32 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: he changes nicks quite a fair bit |
| 16:16.35 | luke-jr | o |
| 16:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I missed one or two of his frequent nick changes |
| 16:16.41 | luke-jr | just not today? |
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| 16:17.22 | GAN900 | lcuk, rawr? |
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| 16:18.01 | vldcnst | ~botsnack |
| 16:18.01 | infobot | vldcnst: aw, gee |
| 16:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | you people make me dizzy - or is that the fact my coffee ran out |
| 16:19.46 | trip0 | its the coffee |
| 16:19.50 | trip0 | maybe you've had too much? |
| 16:19.58 | vldcnst | there's never too much coffee |
| 16:20.13 | trip0 | ...unless you start seeing spots on everything |
| 16:20.18 | GAN900 | luke-jr, like a dozen in the past few weels |
| 16:20.22 | GAN900 | weeks* |
| 16:20.24 | vldcnst | not from coffee |
| 16:21.02 | trip0 | you only need 1000mg or so of caffeine to overdose |
| 16:21.51 | vldcnst | for a coffee newbie maybe |
| 16:21.59 | trip0 | http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine |
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| 16:22.33 | trip0 | wow, this calc is awesome |
| 16:22.39 | trip0 | we need a meego app for this |
| 16:22.48 | vldcnst | After 59.72 cans of Red Bull, you'd be pushing up daisies. |
| 16:22.56 | vldcnst | Oh my. |
| 16:23.10 | trip0 | 2000 glasses of chocolate milk would kill you |
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| 16:23.29 | trip0 | (but something tells me you'd die before 100) |
| 16:24.02 | mortini | trip0: depends on how quickly consumed |
| 16:24.19 | trip0 | 95 cups of coffee |
| 16:24.52 | vldcnst | I doubt you can actually DIE |
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| 16:25.23 | mortini | you'd really have to try. |
| 16:25.47 | mortini | 150-200mg per kg of body mass |
| 16:26.06 | mortini | but, it's timing |
| 16:26.07 | trip0 | i doubt you could physically down 100 cups of coffee in any reasonable amount of time it would take to kill you |
| 16:26.12 | mortini | yeah. |
| 16:26.30 | mortini | you could do it if you had just caffeine, but that's about it. |
| 16:26.45 | RST38h | Heh, Eldar dances on the Symbian bones |
| 16:26.54 | vldcnst | http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/re-load-energy-spray |
| 16:26.56 | vldcnst | interesting |
| 16:27.10 | vldcnst | that one could kill you I guess |
| 16:27.36 | mortini | so, the half-life for caffeine in human males is 4.9 hours, so, less than that. |
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| 16:28.03 | trip0 | mortini, is it different in females? |
| 16:28.09 | mortini | yes |
| 16:28.40 | mortini | oh, that's 'adults' according to wikipedia, females on contraception is 5-10 hours |
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| 16:29.55 | RST38h | ext3 |
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| 16:32.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: GAN900: could you explain to me why this killa/faka/lova guy was kicked now? I donmt think it's educative to reward a short period of almost correct behaviour with restrictions |
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| 16:34.08 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: it bends down to him talking inconsistent crap as well as being hostile and disruptive to channel discussions and mood. |
| 16:34.25 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, because I was tired of his incessant idiocy? |
| 16:34.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: when? |
| 16:35.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | checks his ignore list |
| 16:35.41 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: well do you really want me to pull out the various examples where he has been pointed out to state untruthful stuff, including 'ircing from a car' and saying he's rich when he can't pay his rent as well as other inconsistent stuff? :P |
| 16:35.51 | jacekowski | GAN900: so that would mean that you can be rude/insulting and etc. but if you are stupid you get banned |
| 16:36.04 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, I'm more than happy to ceed the handling of it to you. |
| 16:36.13 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: he's rude to people and even more insulting than crashanddie, really :P |
| 16:36.21 | GAN900 | Since I don't particularly have time to deal with nonsense like jacekowski's at work. |
| 16:36.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: completely agree. just saying he started to behave |
| 16:37.13 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: as well as actively evading bans and continuing after being warned. i don't like banning nor kicking people, personally |
| 16:37.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:37.29 | Stskeeps | but this character shows me something i've commonly seen in other trolls, so |
| 16:38.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: just saying he behaved since yesterday |
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| 16:39.01 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well, today he was sort of hmm |
| 16:39.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | and yesterday/the day bfore I got bashed for banning him |
| 16:39.23 | Stskeeps | when? :P |
| 16:39.29 | Stskeeps | right, and i'm disagreeing with that (that he behaved) |
| 16:39.34 | jacekowski | 16:49 < N900rulz> plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours |
| 16:39.37 | jacekowski | 16:51 < N900rulz> jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life |
| 16:39.40 | jacekowski | 16:55 < N900rulz> jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous |
| 16:40.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 16:40.21 | RST38h | jacekowski: Have you asked him an obligatory question about what he is wearing? |
| 16:40.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's what I've missed |
| 16:40.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: thanks |
| 16:40.42 | RST38h | I mean, kicking him without asking obligatory questions is wrong, wrong |
| 16:40.52 | jacekowski | and he was ircing while driving |
| 16:40.56 | jacekowski | and he was plain stupid |
| 16:40.59 | RST38h | That is nice |
| 16:41.08 | jacekowski | which on it's own is enough |
| 16:41.24 | RST38h | I mean, you actually missed an opportunity to cause a traffic accident over irc? |
| 16:41.32 | RST38h | That may be one in your lifetime... |
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| 16:41.52 | jacekowski | well, there was somebody driving lorry in canada 2 days ago |
| 16:42.05 | RST38h | He did not say what he was driving |
| 16:42.07 | jacekowski | so there will be couple more chances |
| 16:42.23 | RST38h | Hopefully it was an oil tanker |
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| 16:46.52 | crashanddie | jacekowski & DocScrutinizer51: yeah, he's a troll who's been coming quite a bit, just get rid of him time and time again |
| 16:48.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks for confirming, great cleanser of buns err bans |
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| 16:51.30 | Lullen | How do I make a qlistview scroll down to the index I have selected? |
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| 16:54.48 | mortini | Lullen: tried setCurrentIndex? |
| 16:54.59 | mortini | Lullen: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qabstractitemview.html#setCurrentIndex |
| 16:56.32 | Lullen | mortini thanks! |
| 16:56.51 | Lullen | got suprised when it selected an item and did not scroll down to it :) |
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| 16:58.01 | mortini | Lullen: the 'list all members' of a class feature of the documentation is nice, because then you can see everything it inherits, too |
| 16:58.12 | mortini | er, there's a link at the top of the page |
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| 17:04.22 | Lullen | now it is working as it should, thanks again! |
| 17:05.20 | mortini | cool, np |
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| 17:07.52 | ham5 | what file browser can I use that will open config files in a text editor? |
| 17:12.16 | RST38h | mourns his laptop |
| 17:12.36 | SpeedEvil | holds up the case of the laptop. |
| 17:12.46 | SpeedEvil | 'Alas, poor laptop, I knew him well!' |
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| 17:13.36 | RST38h | Yea, that is exactly how I feel |
| 17:13.49 | RST38h | Except that the poor thing is not fully dead yet, more like sick with cancer |
| 17:16.04 | h0n3st | is away: I'm busy |
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| 17:18.37 | maemouser | hhey can i somehow save a route on maps for offline routing? |
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| 17:46.10 | ham5 | click/ walk threw the maps when your online? |
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| 17:47.50 | InteliWasp | how well does maemo 5 work with the n800? |
| 17:48.02 | RST38h | It does not |
| 17:49.00 | InteliWasp | so i shuld stay with diablo? |
| 17:49.29 | RST38h | That is an invalid question |
| 17:49.58 | flailingmonkey | InteliWasp: you'll get meego, probably by 1.1 release (1.1 is about to enter open development) |
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| 17:50.35 | trip0 | meego1.1openingftw |
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| 17:51.41 | mortini | 3/topic |
| 17:51.42 | mortini | oops |
| 17:52.29 | Lullen | what can "undefined reference to `DietSettings::DietSettings(QWidget*)'" mean? I have included the dietsettings.h and written "DietSettings *ds;" in the window that calls header. And in the cpp file I have a function wich have the following lines ds = new DietSettings(this); and ds->show; What have I missed? |
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| 17:54.34 | trip0 | what's the deal with mono on the n900? |
| 17:55.36 | trip0 | Lullen: it means that you have a constructor 'DietSettings(QWidget*) in your header and it's not implemented in your cpp file |
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| 17:59.05 | Lullen | now it works:) |
| 18:00.31 | trip0 | of course it does ;) |
| 18:00.46 | trip0 | where's the wiki on using autobuilder? |
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| 18:25.31 | DrGrov | How is AutoDisconnect working really? Does it work without needing to run the application in the background? |
| 18:25.51 | vldcnst | isn't it open source? |
| 18:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | drops a note to Stskeeps and GAN900 about complete uselessness of banning particular IP addr which obviously are dynamic |
| 18:30.57 | valdyn | DrGrov: no |
| 18:31.55 | flailingmonkey | I vote for +q on user |
| 18:32.17 | flailingmonkey | @*.* or w/e |
| 18:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-24 20:31:55] [Bannliste: #maemo] *!*user@74.198.38.251 eingetragen von Stskeeps am 2010-06-24 17:05 |
| 18:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense |
| 18:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | [Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:57:47] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: to me a +b *!*user@74.198.*.* feels a sane thing to do |
| 18:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | [Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:59:02] <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: why would you ban a whole class B? |
| 18:34.47 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: makes sense, feel free to do that |
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| 18:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm thoroughly fed up with dealing with it, as I got nothing but flames and fuzzy answers and other chanops reverting what I had been set after carefully thinking about how to do the best thing for the channel |
| 18:36.49 | luke-jr | anyone here good with pendulums? |
| 18:37.03 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i've changed my opinion after reviewing logs of users from same IP range. |
| 18:37.45 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 18:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | I've changed my opinion about feeling involved in this particular topic |
| 18:37.54 | DrGrov | valdyn: so i need to keep the application multitasking in the background? wtf? should not that work by default? |
| 18:38.09 | *** mode/#maemo [-b+b *!*user@74.198.38.251 *!*user@74.198.*.*] by Stskeeps |
| 18:38.14 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 18:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: drop a note to crashanddie not to delete it in 30min |
| 18:39.01 | mortini | that isp spans that /16, tho |
| 18:39.13 | Stskeeps | yeah, the CIDR is right |
| 18:39.18 | mortini | oh, duh. |
| 18:39.23 | mortini | lrn2read. |
| 18:42.56 | valdyn | DrGrov: you cannot see most processes in the task manager, and you cannot see the autodisconnect daemons either |
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| 18:43.15 | valdyn | DrGrov: no idea why you are wtfing this... |
| 18:44.59 | valdyn | DrGrov: the autodiconnect configuration tool does not need to be running |
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| 18:52.17 | DrGrov | valdyn: ah, then that was what i mean. that it does not need to be running. |
| 18:54.10 | DrGrov | valdyn: i misunderstood you that is why i wtfcked it |
| 18:55.56 | GAN900 | hands DocScrutinizer some chocolate. |
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| 18:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | seems my sctp server isn't running (secure chocolate transfer protocol) |
| 19:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect soime nasty greedy Cisco router ate it |
| 19:01.49 | Wolfie | so, how can I enter a full WPA2 hex key into my n900? it doens't allow me to enter the last hex |
| 19:02.12 | flailingmonkey | there is an app that lets you |
| 19:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
| 19:02.44 | zash | flailingmonkey: you mean "there's a hack for that" ;) |
| 19:02.47 | flailingmonkey | as you found, the one in the current firmware isn't able to |
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| 19:03.37 | yigal | why is Modest an even poorer email client than it was in Diablo? :) |
| 19:03.47 | Wolfie | flailingmonkey: where can I find this app? |
| 19:03.56 | Stskeeps | yigal: that wonders me at times too. i loved the pre-modest one |
| 19:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | yigal: that's caled progress |
| 19:04.04 | yigal | :D |
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| 19:05.28 | yigal | I mean the older Modest one could use the menu key and quickly move to another account, and at least there was some search capabilities. It's very funny, how limited this Modest is. |
| 19:05.38 | SpeedEvil | notes that modest is open-source. |
| 19:05.41 | SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest |
| 19:05.45 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install elm |
| 19:06.02 | SpeedEvil | (or more sensibly, a version of modest where you've fixed the bugs you complain of) |
| 19:06.08 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 19:06.28 | flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: you know you can't apt-get remove modest |
| 19:06.30 | yigal | SpeedEvil: ah, if I were such a pro at coding I would be very happy |
| 19:06.40 | yigal | flailingmonkey: you can, but with consequences |
| 19:06.45 | Venemo | could anyone tell me what the problem is with the auto-builder? |
| 19:06.45 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: you can remove modest |
| 19:06.46 | SpeedEvil | I have |
| 19:06.47 | flailingmonkey | don't tease us :P |
| 19:06.55 | flailingmonkey | Venemo: ahoy |
| 19:06.55 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: apt-get remove modest worked. |
| 19:07.01 | SpeedEvil | Consequences? |
| 19:07.08 | yigal | SpeedEvil: it didn't remove anything else? |
| 19:07.15 | yigal | SpeedEvil: interesting |
| 19:07.18 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 19:07.32 | SpeedEvil | It shouldn't remove anything other than stuff that only depends on it |
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| 19:07.48 | yigal | just reading, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41539 |
| 19:07.57 | Venemo | re |
| 19:07.59 | flailingmonkey | really? I thought it was in that firmware metapackage |
| 19:08.04 | Venemo | sorry, I got disconnected |
| 19:08.12 | yigal | SpeedEvil: I'm enlarging Easy Debian image right now, I'll check after that's done |
| 19:08.14 | SpeedEvil | (I never used it, and it used up a dozen meg or so of RAM) |
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| 19:08.56 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install modest only wants to install one package |
| 19:10.14 | flailingmonkey | for me, it would remove mp-fremantle-002-pr |
| 19:10.17 | flailingmonkey | so, yeah |
| 19:10.22 | yigal | SpeedEvil: sure, but that doesn't mean it wasn't part of a larger metapackage initially |
| 19:10.29 | yigal | right |
| 19:10.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying that's not the case - simply that I have noticed no consequences in the month I've had it uninstalled |
| 19:11.04 | SpeedEvil | (well - other than having more free RAM) |
| 19:11.08 | yigal | SpeedEvil: good to hear |
| 19:11.17 | yigal | I imagine I will follow suit shortly |
| 19:11.56 | yigal | I like mutt, but the ui isn't really designed for a small touchscreen imo |
| 19:12.00 | flailingmonkey | a bunch of useful packages were automatically installed by modest, so apt thinks they are no longer needed |
| 19:12.16 | flailingmonkey | so don't run apt-get autoremove :P |
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| 19:12.35 | flailingmonkey | like, rtcom-accounts-voip-support, and cherry |
| 19:12.37 | yigal | or just manually install those packages |
| 19:13.10 | flailingmonkey | everyone needs cherry after all! ;) |
| 19:13.13 | yigal | or create a equivs metapackage |
| 19:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | There's this fancy first-boot(?)-setup-wizard for region, language, and time/date, incredibly oversophisticated graphics (like a gambling machine) and same time basically unusable - not to mention those win2000-alike animated teaching assistant. I run into that 2 times now (2nd after rebooting when bat was removed for 12h). Is it still there in 1.2? |
| 19:13.34 | yigal | lol |
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| 19:14.28 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: never saw that, n900 used my cell provider for all of that |
| 19:14.35 | yigal | as far as I can remember? |
| 19:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I booted without SIM |
| 19:14.49 | valdyn | yigal: remove battery and see |
| 19:15.27 | flailingmonkey | i've seen it, if you leave battery unplugged long enough |
| 19:15.46 | yigal | interesting, I hope I will never have to |
| 19:15.46 | flailingmonkey | no SIM will too |
| 19:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | so I gather it's still there and still nusable |
| 19:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | un* |
| 19:16.41 | flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: did you remove mp-fremantle-002-pr as well as modest |
| 19:16.56 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: don't know what you mean by unusable |
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| 19:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | it's like a fortune wheel. A royal PITA to get he right setting |
| 19:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | much too much balistic scrolling |
| 19:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | too less dampening |
| 19:18.41 | flailingmonkey | its iPhone-y |
| 19:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | and you can't click-select a value out of the list, you need to scroll it to the "hit&win" center field |
| 19:18.52 | flailingmonkey | but without enough tuning |
| 19:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | makes me want to smash the N900 to next wall |
| 19:19.41 | yigal | makes me love Diablo |
| 19:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | some serious wanking of a UX-guy |
| 19:20.12 | flailingmonkey | keyboard support would have been smart addition, but its not frequently used |
| 19:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | and for time/date this widget is as odd as it can possibly get |
| 19:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | nah, wait. maybe the time thing was brilliant. Almost forgot the whole unpleasant experience |
| 19:22.18 | luke-jr | any idea what the part that connects the pendulum to the gear is called? |
| 19:22.29 | yigal | ? |
| 19:23.55 | yigal | luke-jr: input shaft, although I don't know the context |
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| 19:24.08 | luke-jr | building a clock |
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| 19:26.52 | zash | luke-jr: "hook" or something like that |
| 19:27.06 | zash | duno what it's in english |
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| 19:31.19 | luke-jr | found it.. anchor |
| 19:32.05 | zash | huh |
| 19:32.19 | zash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_escapement |
| 19:32.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: any idea how long a battery removal it needs to make that setting madness thing pop up on boot? |
| 19:32.56 | valdyn | DocScrutinizer51: sim change does it in no time |
| 19:33.04 | zash | luke-jr: escapement would be the generetic term |
| 19:33.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's hard to chane NO sim |
| 19:34.07 | flailingmonkey | nope, no clue |
| 19:34.41 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: All I did was apt-get remove modest - I'm quite sure of that |
| 19:34.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | goes scrutinizing the schematics, particularly the backup battery details |
| 19:35.03 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: I upgraded PR1->1.1->1.1.1->1.2 - OTA though |
| 19:35.10 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: maybe that has an impact |
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| 19:36.46 | flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: when did you remove modest? |
| 19:37.12 | flailingmonkey | I've only upgraded by OTA so far, flasher virgin right here |
| 19:38.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, the bupbat seems to work like expected. some 10min of bat removed don't cause loss of RTC, nor do they make the gambling machine show up |
| 19:39.04 | flailingmonkey | mhm |
| 19:39.25 | flailingmonkey | if you have a sim, maybe you should put one in |
| 19:39.51 | flailingmonkey | are you avoiding cherry? |
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| 19:40.41 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: about a couple of months ago, I think |
| 19:41.04 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: If you really want to know grep for speedevil.*modest |
| 19:42.48 | flailingmonkey | alright. I wonder if I can upload a package that depends on all the same packages as mp-fremantle-002-pr, so that installing it will allow removal of the PR package |
| 19:42.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: yep, cherrysquashing pending |
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| 19:44.12 | flailingmonkey | and then I would be able to have that replacement package not pin versions, allowing newer versions of packages to be released and updated to between PRs |
| 19:44.41 | flailingmonkey | would work/won't work? |
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| 19:47.08 | SpeedEvil | has no clue. |
| 19:49.26 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to know if 'javascript pausing' got pushed upstream and might turn up in FF? |
| 19:50.02 | Rabidus | joo |
| 19:50.04 | Rabidus | läksispä sitte |
| 19:50.09 | Rabidus | oops, sorry |
| 19:50.43 | yigal | now that you've done it, ough |
| 19:50.50 | yigal | :D |
| 19:51.52 | yigal | flailingmonkey: it would work |
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| 19:52.46 | flailingmonkey | after doing that, you wouldn't automatically update to the next PR |
| 19:53.12 | yigal | I don't know enough |
| 19:53.46 | flailingmonkey | perhaps a program would check when a new PR is available, and fix you up to update to the new release |
| 19:56.37 | yigal | sounds doable in theory |
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| 19:57.39 | yigal | In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. |
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| 20:05.42 | DrGrov | The D-THEME SimpleBlue has some annoying bugs. |
| 20:06.04 | DrGrov | It is a difficult theme to use since it constantly lags when opening shortcuts or closing them. |
| 20:06.35 | DrGrov | Scrolling in menus lags as well |
| 20:07.05 | DrGrov | Why put a theme in the extras repository when it is clearly still almost like it belongs in testing repository? |
| 20:07.49 | DrGrov | Just curious to know that is all |
| 20:09.20 | trip0 | how long does it normally take to get an upload invite after requesting? |
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| 20:16.05 | flailingmonkey | DrGrov: all it takes is votes, and those people are supposed to try it out first |
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| 20:20.22 | DrGrov | flailingmonkey: ok, i think i will the theme a second chance though. i presume it is a bit of a slow starter in the beginning after a fresh reboot. |
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| 20:27.52 | flailingmonkey | if it still sucks, vote it down :P |
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| 20:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: voting down apps in extras? |
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| 20:54.33 | flailingmonkey | oh, right.. it got into extras |
| 20:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | ok, bme is definitely buggy |
| 20:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | really buggy |
| 20:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | I always thought Nokia/maemo was better on battery charging and management than Openmoko. I start to doubt |
| 20:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, keeping the device in a ACT_DEAD semi powered up state, while no charger is attached, and no indicator light or any screen display would let you know. That's about as bad as it can get |
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| 21:03.42 | SpeedEvil | act_dead can use very little power |
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| 21:03.52 | SpeedEvil | but yes - if it stays in that state. |
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| 21:05.11 | BCMM | tworking |
| 21:05.23 | BCMM | oh, sorry |
| 21:05.33 | BCMM | i was trying to /join #networking |
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| 21:12.01 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: gotta tell you, replacement bme should be high priority, and not just because it would mean more open components |
| 21:12.42 | flailingmonkey | not as high as hostmode, I suppose |
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| 21:14.17 | ShadowJK | Yesterday when I charged without bme, 1200mA/4200mV, it tapered off so perfectly to 4100mV (according to bq27200) I got suspicious/worried :P |
| 21:15.13 | DrGrov | Does that N900 charger adapter give the same output as the regular USB charger? |
| 21:15.39 | ShadowJK | If by charge adapter you mean CA-146C, then no |
| 21:16.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, missed a few minutes |
| 21:16.18 | DrGrov | So it will take much longer to charge? |
| 21:17.03 | DrGrov | I mean that small adapter that fits for older Nokia charges and out comes the usb charger to insert into the N900 |
| 21:17.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: yes |
| 21:17.03 | ShadowJK | Yeah. Let's say it's only practical for overnight charging |
| 21:17.05 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ok, that will be no problem to charge then. |
| 21:17.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | though 'much' is relative |
| 21:17.30 | DrGrov | yes, i will use it for overnight charging tomorrow at the summer place then. |
| 21:17.40 | ShadowJK | I'd also use it on a fireproof surface.. |
| 21:17.41 | DrGrov | i just need it fully charged saturday morning so no hurries |
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| 21:18.00 | DrGrov | why fireproof? it heats up too much? |
| 21:18.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas there's no datasheet or specs for CA-146C anywhere |
| 21:18.23 | ShadowJK | http://www.nokiausers.net/General/N97-Charging-Warning-Beware-of-Using-Supplied-CA-146C-with-Old-Style-Nokia-Charger.html :) |
| 21:18.23 | MohammadAG51 | sometimes melts |
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| 21:18.41 | MohammadAG51 | it was removed from US N900s |
| 21:19.03 | DrGrov | ah then it is better that i take the normal N900 charger and plug it in the socket and no need for any extra adapter thingies in between. just plain normal charging |
| 21:19.23 | flailingmonkey | yep |
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| 21:19.37 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer51: did you get my comment about jrbme? |
| 21:20.46 | DrGrov | i need to tell this to my fiancee as well just to use the default similar charger that the N97 has |
| 21:21.00 | ShadowJK | Similar? I'd say it has the same charger |
| 21:21.28 | DrGrov | ah yes, it is infact the same charger |
| 21:21.32 | DrGrov | 1200 mAh as well |
| 21:21.50 | DrGrov | but good thing is that she only uses the normal N97 charger without any additional things |
| 21:22.07 | DrGrov | i will fucking destroy both these evil adapters before it becomes too risky |
| 21:22.15 | DrGrov | sorry for swearing.. |
| 21:22.31 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 21:23.10 | Venemo | autobuilder vs. Venemo = 5 - 0 |
| 21:23.28 | Venemo | "error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory" -> does anyone know what the problem is? |
| 21:24.14 | yigal | hey I just assumed that Modest in Maemo 5 PR 1.2 can't do searches for key terms in header, body etc.. Is this true? |
| 21:24.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | just one line. about prio |
| 21:25.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | DrGrov: please send them to me |
| 21:26.00 | yigal | Excuse me I didn't mean searches I really meant filter email. |
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| 21:28.42 | TomaszD | hey guys, can you vote for this http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gps-data-logger/0.5-3/ ? I'm not the author but I've worked closely with him and tested this app through hundreds of kilometeres of bike rides so it works fine |
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| 21:30.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | filter in modest? you're kidding |
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| 21:32.27 | yigal | I know, I know, I jest :D |
| 21:33.27 | yigal | at least gmail.com works well enough on the n900 |
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| 21:36.03 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: you sure you want to have them? the old Nokia - usb charger? |
| 21:36.58 | BCMM | So, Intel is backing Android as well as meego |
| 21:37.29 | flailingmonkey | intel is backing linux |
| 21:37.55 | BCMM | android isn't linux. |
| 21:37.59 | yigal | trudat |
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| 21:38.06 | BCMM | nah, intel is backing "stuff running in atom as well as ARM" |
| 21:38.11 | BCMM | ^on |
| 21:38.12 | yigal | trudat |
| 21:38.21 | luke-jr | zash: escapement is more than the anchor :p |
| 21:38.32 | BCMM | still, was kinda hoping the intel thing meant meego would go further than android |
| 21:38.34 | yigal | BCMM: you're just a bit faster at typing than I, lol |
| 21:38.53 | flailingmonkey | i feel the same, but |
| 21:39.15 | BCMM | since i'm somewhat opposed to the idea of making an incompatible fork of the linux kernel and an even less compatible userspace |
| 21:39.46 | SpeedEvil | A assymetric multiprocessor solution would be interesting. |
| 21:39.49 | BCMM | <tinfoilhat>it all feels a bit "embrace, extend..."</tinfoilhat> |
| 21:39.51 | SpeedEvil | One 486 class core. |
| 21:40.09 | SpeedEvil | One 'modern' one |
| 21:40.09 | flailingmonkey | i frankly think ARM is going to threaten intel |
| 21:40.15 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:40.26 | ManoftheSea | assymetric? |
| 21:40.29 | jacekowski | flailingmonkey: not really |
| 21:40.30 | ManoftheSea | like... what? |
| 21:40.31 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: shiny, but why? |
| 21:40.32 | mavhc | intel tried to kill x86, failed, so they'll lose eventually |
| 21:40.44 | jacekowski | flailingmonkey: it's not compatible with x86 |
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| 21:41.02 | BCMM | i mean, you'd still have the power-usage consequences of x86 |
| 21:41.04 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Maintaining binary compatibility across cores, but having one use a couple of orders of magnitude less power at nominal clock |
| 21:41.06 | mavhc | new software is all written for non x86 runtimes anyway |
| 21:41.15 | flailingmonkey | assymetric is when the booth babes have a perfect... product to sell |
| 21:41.19 | jacekowski | ManoftheSea: like smp with dedicated hardware for specific job |
| 21:41.28 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ - x86 - 486/150 - ~1W |
| 21:41.29 | BCMM | flailingmonkey: i want to put the tinfoil hat back on and say that intel is prepering it's own line of non-x86 things |
| 21:41.38 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: they had ARM |
| 21:41.40 | mavhc | CLR, Parrot, JVM |
| 21:41.49 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: They used to sell 'strongarm' |
| 21:41.55 | SpeedEvil | which did quite well in mobile space |
| 21:42.01 | SpeedEvil | well - PDA |
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| 21:42.06 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: actually, it would make sense in a couple of years, with a slow, low-power x86 core |
| 21:43.03 | BCMM | assuming you don't need to run new apps on the x86 thing |
| 21:43.26 | mavhc | x86 is just risc with a battery wasting emulation layer |
| 21:43.27 | flailingmonkey | I just want an ARM laptop already |
| 21:43.45 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: well, doing non-x86 now would make sense - they don't want to die if x86 dies |
| 21:43.53 | BCMM | flailingmonkey: me too |
| 21:43.53 | BCMM | i think there are a couple |
| 21:44.13 | mavhc | flailingmonkey: I can sell you an A4 laptop |
| 21:44.16 | SpeedEvil | I would put a large bet on x86 not being dead in 10 years. |
| 21:44.21 | BCMM | i actually can't see a single downside of an arm laptop really |
| 21:44.32 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Binary compatibility |
| 21:44.36 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: IOW - flash |
| 21:45.03 | SpeedEvil | saw his first 'upgrade to 10.0' banner on youtube the other day. :/ |
| 21:45.13 | flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: it won't die, too many legacy systems, but I wouldn't expect it to be the new tech leader |
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| 21:45.23 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: it won't be dead in ten years, in the same way you can still get software for powerpc macs |
| 21:46.01 | BCMM | i mean, they aren't dead, but they aren't very well |
| 21:46.05 | ManoftheSea | I know what asymmetric means. |
| 21:46.11 | ManoftheSea | But what would you do with it? |
| 21:46.16 | ManoftheSea | Like, CPU vs. GPU? |
| 21:46.20 | BCMM | i think people could actually accept losing legacy software |
| 21:46.28 | ManoftheSea | Or are you planning to do a lot of FFTs on your cell phone? |
| 21:46.32 | flailingmonkey | mavhc: I'm hoping for something in the Cortex-A9 family :) |
| 21:46.33 | BCMM | i mean, people don't assume stuff will work on the next windows version |
| 21:46.46 | BCMM | and normal people switch to macs, and so on |
| 21:47.21 | flailingmonkey | consumers definitely do, companies are not as flexible |
| 21:47.40 | mavhc | that's what emulation is for |
| 21:47.48 | jacekowski | flailingmonkey: there is no alternatives |
| 21:47.48 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: Imagine one processor that just ticks over at 20MHz or so, reacting to events. |
| 21:48.05 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i think sombody designed tickless '81 |
| 21:48.07 | jacekowski | 51* |
| 21:48.13 | jacekowski | completly asynchronous |
| 21:48.17 | SpeedEvil | possibly |
| 21:48.23 | jacekowski | just processing data as it comes |
| 21:48.30 | flailingmonkey | for workstations not runnng heavy apps, the ARM power savings would be a sell. but many are locked into software suites that live in microsoft ecosystem |
| 21:48.31 | mavhc | arm is fast enough for most things people do, with a dsp/gpu if you're lazy |
| 21:48.43 | jacekowski | i've read about it in one of polish electronics newspapers couple years ago |
| 21:49.17 | mavhc | microsoft is moving office to sliverlight and web, both run on arm |
| 21:49.53 | jacekowski | flailingmonkey: there is no real alternative to x86 for high performance applications |
| 21:50.01 | jacekowski | flailingmonkey: only itanium |
| 21:50.15 | mavhc | or high end risc stuff |
| 21:50.20 | jacekowski | flailingmonkey: but there isn't many people that can program itanium |
| 21:50.45 | mavhc | noone can program itanium, that's the compiler's job |
| 21:51.33 | jacekowski | sparc died with sun |
| 21:51.34 | Arkenoi | well, the bad news is you cannot really program itanium |
| 21:51.42 | flailingmonkey | jacekowski: the alternative to x86 for such apps is a new intel line that gets rid of legacy chip components, but implements the instructions that are relevent |
| 21:51.51 | Arkenoi | the good is that you do not need to, compiler does the job for you |
| 21:52.14 | jacekowski | Arkenoi: well, you can |
| 21:52.29 | Arkenoi | actually, EPIC native code is almost impossible to program in low level |
| 21:52.54 | jacekowski | *almost* |
| 21:52.56 | jacekowski | and well |
| 21:52.58 | jacekowski | it's hard |
| 21:53.01 | jacekowski | requires brain |
| 21:53.06 | jacekowski | but it's possible |
| 21:53.16 | mavhc | well, someone had to program the compiler, but once that was done, they locked him up in a mental hospital |
| 21:53.30 | Arkenoi | it is worse than worst case RISC like alpha where you need to keep in mind that you cannot access memory bus until n tacts pass after this instruction |
| 21:53.32 | jacekowski | well, i'm programming itanium sometimes |
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| 21:54.45 | jacekowski | anyways going back to other alternatives |
| 21:55.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | pointing to bell+braben and their 500000mlines of asm for elite |
| 21:55.09 | jacekowski | there is no alternative for hi end workstations |
| 21:55.17 | Arkenoi | jacekowski, and what's the point of programming EPIC in low level manually? I think compiler will do the job better almost always. |
| 21:55.57 | jacekowski | Arkenoi: i was doing some things and i just gave up on trying to tell compiler what to do |
| 21:55.57 | Arkenoi | a decent compiler, i mean |
| 21:56.08 | jacekowski | and i decided to do it in asm |
| 21:56.12 | Arkenoi | wow |
| 21:56.43 | Arkenoi | btw used itanium workstations are still inadequately expensive on ebay' |
| 21:56.53 | Arkenoi | i want one but i still cannot afford it |
| 21:57.22 | Arkenoi | too much money for outdated slow hardware |
| 21:57.37 | jacekowski | thing is that gcc seems to generate a lot of inefficient code very often |
| 21:57.41 | Arkenoi | and if it is not that outdated it is damn a lot of money |
| 21:57.46 | Arkenoi | ah |
| 21:57.50 | Arkenoi | you use gcc |
| 21:57.55 | jacekowski | or just redundant code |
| 21:57.58 | Arkenoi | gcc is not an option for itanium |
| 21:58.03 | Arkenoi | it is known issue |
| 21:58.07 | jacekowski | well, icc isn't doing much better |
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| 21:58.16 | jacekowski | well, icc on x86 |
| 21:58.24 | Arkenoi | actually there is just handful of instruction sets that gcc does well |
| 21:58.25 | jacekowski | i never tried icc for itanium |
| 21:58.30 | Arkenoi | and itanium is not one of those |
| 21:58.47 | jacekowski | well, name one |
| 21:59.06 | Arkenoi | x86, mips, arm |
| 21:59.10 | Arkenoi | sparc -- not really |
| 21:59.22 | jacekowski | well, i never had chance to play with mips |
| 21:59.35 | jacekowski | but i know that it generates shit not a code for x86 and arm |
| 21:59.58 | jacekowski | i just need to find an example |
| 22:00.03 | Arkenoi | jacekowski, it does much worse on other architectures ;-) |
| 22:00.28 | jacekowski | yeah, reversing order of bytes in 32bit int on 8 bit architecture |
| 22:00.37 | jacekowski | where everything was stored in registers |
| 22:00.46 | jacekowski | gcc managed to do it in only 50 instructions |
| 22:00.48 | Arkenoi | hppa2, sparc64 are barely usable and itanium is definitely not, you get performance degradation almost twice |
| 22:00.53 | jacekowski | where it could be done in 8 |
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| 22:01.45 | jacekowski | and i think i saw massive fuck up with conditional execution on arm |
| 22:02.16 | Arkenoi | does icc perform much better? |
| 22:02.34 | jacekowski | on x86 - yep |
| 22:02.39 | Arkenoi | on arm |
| 22:02.41 | jacekowski | never tried it on arm |
| 22:03.10 | jacekowski | i've tried it on very old 8085 i think |
| 22:03.27 | jacekowski | old version of it |
| 22:03.37 | jacekowski | with only C89 support |
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| 22:03.53 | jacekowski | ( we still sell devices with that processor ) |
| 22:05.28 | Arkenoi | does intel still sell ia64 workstations? hp does not anymore :-( |
| 22:06.00 | flailingmonkey | the sad thing about optimization these days is that most programmers don't have a clue about how to even approach it |
| 22:06.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | they never had a clue about asm |
| 22:07.10 | Corsac | that's the whole point of compilers, though :) |
| 22:08.10 | jacekowski | well, i very often look at assembly generated by compiler to see if C code can be improved to generate faster code |
| 22:08.25 | jacekowski | and smaller |
| 22:08.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually it can |
| 22:08.36 | flailingmonkey | egh. without an understanding of system architecture, they have no hope |
| 22:08.50 | flailingmonkey | definitely |
| 22:09.03 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well, with gcc it's quite easy to make it worse |
| 22:09.18 | jacekowski | visual studio compiler is hopeless |
| 22:10.38 | jacekowski | only asm compilers generate code i would like to see |
| 22:10.50 | jacekowski | hmm, with one exception |
| 22:11.10 | jacekowski | i remember when i spent quite some time with macros defined in masm |
| 22:11.27 | flailingmonkey | theres a reason compilers sales can still make a profit |
| 22:11.30 | jacekowski | that caused me some grief |
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| 22:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: I'll come up with a minimalistic version of jrbme until next week |
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| 22:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: seems meego needs it |
| 22:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: probably Nokia realized the original bme is so brainshot fuckedup they simply can't fix it so it would run under meego chroot or whatever they do to make the nokia blobs behave in meego |
| 22:27.17 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: sounds great, I highly doubt that the Nokians will really be able to fix bme without starting over, and they aren't willing to do that |
| 22:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | and quite obviously it has other issues beyonf meego incompatibility |
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| 22:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: exactly |
| 22:28.24 | flailingmonkey | from a project management POV, they don't have the budget for such a task |
| 22:28.56 | flailingmonkey | I am very curious what they used in harmattan/N9 |
| 22:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | my take on bme is: it's been developed by 57 contractor companies, all the time since 1999 Nokia 6110 |
| 22:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | and mow absolutely nobody has a clue what's done for which reason - basically a huge stinking pile of cargo cult |
| 22:30.32 | flailingmonkey | I've seen that quite often, the knowledge just evaporates without documentation |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 22:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | and each itteration is composed of more bug caused by false assumptions about what was the meaning of this part of code in last version, plus uneducated bandaids that just *seem* to work |
| 22:33.07 | flailingmonkey | mhm. are they able to even tell you what bme's responsible for |
| 22:36.50 | flailingmonkey | some requirements would be nice. but sometimes a little help is too much to ask for :P |
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| 22:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming |
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| 22:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: I asked for requirements specs for bme. "We are looking into it, but ut has legal issues" :-/ |
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| 22:39.55 | flailingmonkey | if you kept bringing it up at hardware adaptation meetings, you might get it. people need reminding |
| 22:40.05 | flailingmonkey | s/kept/keep/ |
| 22:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia common notion is: "if we tell the battery mustn't become hotter than 70°C, and there's this sensor to probe, then we're liable when some idiot does it wrong and makes the cell explode" |
| 22:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | obviously a paradox assumption, but oh well I can't cure that |
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| 22:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | also frequently claimed are "patended intelectual properties" in BME. I honestly doubt there are any in N900 bme, but how to prove them wrong, when you can't even get a look on the requirement specs, not to talk about the src |
| 22:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe there have been, until maybe 2001, and that's now some meta-cargo-cult |
| 22:44.27 | SpeedEvil | Is there a sane thing that lets me reorganise apps into folders? |
| 22:44.51 | ptl | SpeedEvil: ApMeFo |
| 22:44.53 | SpeedEvil | For example - I have lots of apps that are in my testing queue, that are cluttering up my app list |
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| 22:45.16 | flailingmonkeyN9 | sorry, changed connections without disconnecting from irc |
| 22:45.42 | SpeedEvil | tries ptls suggestion. |
| 22:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | /msg nameserver ghost <prevNick> |
| 22:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | err nickserv |
| 22:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkeyN9: ^^^ |
| 22:46.40 | flailingmonkey | done |
| 22:47.23 | Venemo | if the autobuilder successfully build my package, what happens? |
| 22:52.59 | flailingmonkey | it would get imported into the devel repository |
| 22:53.16 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: caught up from irc log site :P |
| 22:53.55 | flailingmonkey | and yeah, no one knows so they have to be cautious rather than take a risk that they'd be liable for (wrt patents) |
| 22:54.17 | ptl | software patents aren't valid in Europe |
| 22:54.28 | ptl | an european guy couldn't do an open-source version without worries? |
| 22:55.07 | flailingmonkey | hah, as if its ever so simple |
| 22:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | if battery charging is implemented in sw, then it doesn't mean the paptent regarding charging are sw patents |
| 22:55.33 | flailingmonkey | sharing that information also encounters export laws |
| 22:56.01 | flailingmonkey | as ridiculous as it sounds, these are the realities of the law |
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| 22:59.43 | djkrikke | Hi guys, the wiki gives me the idea to use " /some/script * * com.nokia.icd status_changed * WLAN_INFRA" in the dbus scripts directory for wlan changes. Will this work for com.nokia.phone.net status changes too? |
| 22:59.56 | djkrikke | And if someone knows, how do I know how much params I have to pass? |
| 23:00.39 | pupnik | Crossing the rubycon... |
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| 23:03.11 | orangey | hello all |
| 23:03.44 | orangey | is the media player in n900 already an UPNP controller / client? |
| 23:05.42 | djkrikke | orangey, my n900 detects an upnp device |
| 23:06.08 | orangey | djkrikke: ok |
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| 23:07.29 | orangey | djkrikke: can you control the UPNP devices? |
| 23:07.38 | djkrikke | what do you mean with control? |
| 23:08.58 | orangey | djkrikke: the upnp also allows people to control upnp devices remotely |
| 23:09.17 | orangey | http://netzflocken.de/2008/1/30/coherence-and-rhythmbox-upnp-interaction |
| 23:09.24 | flailingmonkey | orangey: there is an app called Zhaan which lets you act as a UPNP control point |
| 23:09.28 | djkrikke | hmm, I'm not aware of what control means with upnp |
| 23:09.46 | orangey | flailingmonkey: yeah, I'm really, really interested in zhaan |
| 23:09.51 | orangey | especially coupled with vera |
| 23:10.28 | djkrikke | what can you control actually? |
| 23:10.45 | djkrikke | I mean, you get a list of songs/movies/etc.., what do you have to control on that? |
| 23:10.47 | orangey | djkrikke: everything : ) |
| 23:10.52 | orangey | play, stop, etc. |
| 23:10.56 | flailingmonkey | I read about Vera, on the blog of the author of Zhaan |
| 23:10.56 | orangey | if they're playing on your computer, say |
| 23:11.19 | orangey | flailingmonkey: same |
| 23:12.42 | orangey | god. I'm an idiot.. I wasn't on the WLAN while trying to test the uPNP server ; ) |
| 23:13.18 | orangey | man, 2010 is awesome |
| 23:13.45 | djkrikke | haha :D |
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| 23:16.03 | dick-richardson | will meego's gui be based on X? i.e. will ssh x forwarding work as it does now under maemo? |
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| 23:16.32 | pupnik | good question. i think the answer for now, is not really |
| 23:16.45 | ptl | "not really"? |
| 23:16.48 | ptl | but it has QT and X |
| 23:16.50 | ptl | isn't it? |
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| 23:17.02 | pupnik | can you do opengl2 over a network? |
| 23:17.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | WHAT? meego no X??? |
| 23:17.18 | pupnik | with meego? |
| 23:18.12 | asj | I would be shocked if it didn't use X |
| 23:19.05 | flailingmonkey | rofl |
| 23:19.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: openGL is X->HW, while ssh -X is the software api *to* X |
| 23:19.10 | flailingmonkey | meego runs on X |
| 23:19.20 | flailingmonkey | no question about it |
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| 23:19.33 | BCMM | yeah, opengl doesn't work with remote X connections |
| 23:19.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd bet |
| 23:19.52 | BCMM | well, there is an experimental thing that does it |
| 23:20.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | BCMM: as there is no ssh -openGL cmd |
| 23:20.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | same as there isn't ssh -nvidia |
| 23:21.02 | pupnik | i think the deeper question is, "should/will meego's gui eye candy have a reasonable non-animated fallback for devices that don't support compositing (currently via opengl) |
| 23:21.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | or ssh -directX10 |
| 23:21.20 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: well, it doesn't even work with X over a normal network |
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| 23:21.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | then it's no X |
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| 23:22.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I honerstly doubt you're completely right |
| 23:23.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course i can't start mplayer over ssh |
| 23:23.44 | raster | BCMM: opengl does work with remote x |
| 23:23.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | same as I can't expect any openGL eyecandy |
| 23:23.48 | raster | if you use glx. |
| 23:23.54 | raster | thats the whole point of glx |
| 23:23.54 | BCMM | you can start mplayer over ssh |
| 23:24.04 | raster | problem is everyone wants to bypass x and use "direct" gl |
| 23:24.10 | BCMM | you'll get a horrid frame rate unless it's a really tiny video |
| 23:24.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster to the rescue, yeah! |
| 23:24.18 | raster | and that bypasses x protocl and the x server entirely |
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| 23:24.46 | BCMM | glx doesn't work over networks does it? |
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| 23:26.07 | raster | glx does |
| 23:26.09 | raster | its a protocol |
| 23:26.18 | BCMM | ah |
| 23:26.21 | BCMM | now i understand |
| 23:26.29 | raster | fact is theat the gl app will explicitly decide direct or indirect as a gl init |
| 23:26.37 | BCMM | raster: by "bypasses x protocl and the x server entirely", you mean DRI, right? |
| 23:26.59 | djkrikke | guys, someone knows how to find out the dbus "listener" I can use for com.nokia.phone.net registration status? |
| 23:27.32 | ptl | I don't |
| 23:27.45 | djkrikke | there are examples on the wifi commands |
| 23:27.53 | djkrikke | but none on the phone.net |
| 23:28.18 | raster | and indirect == glx protocol |
| 23:28.18 | raster | direct == bypass xserver/protocol |
| 23:28.18 | raster | and 99.99995 of things use direct |
| 23:28.30 | pupnik | i think the focus atm is to concentrate on making meego netbook/handheld work and feel like a real modern, slick, easy OS |
| 23:29.05 | asj | pupnik: are you implying that my remote X requirements aren't the most important thing they should be considering? |
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| 23:29.28 | pupnik | i am |
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| 23:29.41 | asj | pupnik: well I'm buying an ipad then! ;) |
| 23:29.53 | Venemo | hey guys! |
| 23:30.22 | Venemo | check out the latest invention: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=728270#post728270 |
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| 23:30.47 | asj | Venemo: hey that's cool :) |
| 23:30.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: servus |
| 23:31.11 | raster | BCMM: correct. DRI is one thing used to bypass x protocol - u bypass x protocol then u bypass the ability to remote display |
| 23:31.19 | raster | (well its a tad more complex - bu tthats the basics) |
| 23:31.20 | wolf^ | Venemo, nice |
| 23:31.23 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: yo yo |
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| 23:33.36 | pupnik | raster: sounds like with glx i should be able to get hardware accelerated opengl from a VM window |
| 23:34.32 | raster | pupnik: yes. |
| 23:34.54 | raster | tho the hw accel would happen outside the vm's virtual fb etc. |
| 23:34.59 | Arkenoi | funny, builtin media player recognizes mkv as media file but refuses to play it |
| 23:35.11 | pupnik | would the VM look to the graphics card just like a local application? |
| 23:35.32 | pupnik | no, that's not possible. blergh |
| 23:36.16 | Venemo | asj, wolf^: thanks for the kind words |
| 23:36.34 | Venemo | I would be glad if you gave the app a test drive :) |
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| 23:37.38 | wolf^ | Venemo, but doesn't install |
| 23:37.41 | wolf^ | Unpacking sticky-notes (from .../sticky-notes_0.1.2_armel.deb) ... |
| 23:37.41 | wolf^ | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory |
| 23:37.50 | Venemo | huh? |
| 23:37.52 | Venemo | weird |
| 23:37.54 | Venemo | let me check |
| 23:38.17 | Venemo | packaging is still something I don't excel in |
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| 23:41.17 | n900-1 | hey guys |
| 23:41.26 | Venemo | hi |
| 23:41.27 | n900-1 | a question about the latest qt sdk 1.0 |
| 23:41.38 | Venemo | n900-1: we're listening |
| 23:42.13 | pupnik | raster: the xen guys said i can switch between OS's and after I switch, each has 'native' control of the GPU. Is that possible? Can the gpu 'save the state' in one OS before switching to another? |
| 23:43.24 | n900-1 | i know that we can set the target to be n900 and hence keep on coding in qt and running that code will result in the app automatically transfering to n900 and running on it (madde totally integrates now right?), can this be done with n97 also, that is what my friend want to know? |
| 23:43.48 | Venemo | n900-1: yes, you can develop for Symbian devices as well |
| 23:44.05 | Venemo | although you'd better check a symbian forum or channel about how |
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| 23:44.59 | keemo_ | Hi |
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| 23:45.45 | raster | pupnik: depends on drivers really |
| 23:46.02 | raster | pupnik: asa such you have 1 bit of real hardware being given to multiple os's |
| 23:46.06 | raster | maybe one after the other |
| 23:46.18 | raster | but the drivers assume they are the only os and onyl thing using the gpu |
| 23:46.22 | pupnik | i read some posts about hardware support for virtualization |
| 23:46.25 | raster | so - chances are u're asking for trouble |
| 23:46.29 | pupnik | right |
| 23:46.43 | raster | saving gpu state reauires full gpu knowledge |
| 23:46.48 | n900-1 | aha so Venemo , the n97 will be connected to my pc and the same experience of development like n900? |
| 23:46.48 | raster | requires |
| 23:46.59 | n900-1 | oh yea, i'll check the forums |
| 23:47.10 | raster | the safest would be each os totally from-scratch inits the gpu when it starts using it |
| 23:47.16 | trip0 | how does the qt sdk 1.0 make maemo development easier? |
| 23:47.20 | raster | and totally shuts it down/cleans it up before it gets handed over |
| 23:47.26 | trip0 | does it include a crosscompiler? |
| 23:47.32 | n900-1 | its going to most probably require the qt libs to be present in n97, thanks to pr1.2 that takes care of that on n900. |
| 23:47.34 | raster | thats about the best u can do without a proepr virtualised gl driver |
| 23:48.34 | pupnik | just imagining all the stuff that would have to be done is boggling me |
| 23:50.01 | raster | these days a gpu is not unlike a whole cpu in complexity |
| 23:50.18 | raster | so sharing that resource is non-trivial - indeed. |
| 23:50.38 | raster | the best bet is almost always to have a single real driver sit on top of the gpu and this real driver exposes a "virtual" driver |
| 23:50.58 | raster | that uses a different "protocol" and handles gpu context switching, resource sharing etc. |
| 23:51.09 | nkinkade | Hi all. Does anyone happen to know how one can set/get whether the USB port is in "mass storage" or "pc suite" mode (N900 question)? |
| 23:51.20 | raster | not really unlike how xserver does for multiple processes and 2d gfx |
| 23:51.21 | raster | etc. |
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| 23:51.35 | nkinkade | ... set/get programmatically, that is. |
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| 23:52.47 | pupnik | raster: does the term "gpu hypervisor" make sense? |
| 23:53.12 | raster | it would - if gpu's were open |
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| 23:53.24 | raster | as such i dont believe in the xen model |
| 23:53.37 | raster | ie hypervisors in general |
| 23:53.49 | raster | i believe in the simpler "kvm" "vmware" etc. model |
| 23:53.52 | raster | u have a host os |
| 23:54.06 | asj | ok the comic strip widget rocks |
| 23:54.12 | raster | and if u want virtual machines - they just lurk as your run-of-the-mill process there |
| 23:54.21 | pupnik | raster: so the switching isn't limited to the hardware capabilities |
| 23:54.29 | raster | and after that life is pretty easy compared to the hypervisor way |
| 23:54.40 | pupnik | oh for the user, very much |
| 23:54.53 | pupnik | was just testing meego in qemu |
| 23:55.01 | raster | implementing a virtual gl device here - as well as pretty much any hardware, now is easy and actually is the right model/way to go |
| 23:55.05 | raster | guest os doesnt see real hw |
| 23:55.11 | raster | it sees fake/virtualised hw |
| 23:55.21 | raster | and the real host hw is an entirely different matter |
| 23:55.36 | pupnik | right and if the OSes both use a decent graphics API, then we have a better situation |
| 23:55.38 | raster | u can chnage host hardware at will - and guess doesnt need to know or care |
| 23:55.54 | raster | well yes |
| 23:56.24 | raster | for example a virtual gl device would be a bit of hw where u stuff an opengl api call + needed data into some command-=queue buffer thats is exposed as a hw memory region |
| 23:56.37 | raster | the other end simple decodes and sends it right to gl |
| 23:56.54 | Robot101 | raster: we've done this with qemu |
| 23:57.26 | Robot101 | well there was an old branch, its updated to work with kvm now, and do pageflipping into and out of the host gl |
| 23:57.31 | raster | (and sends back responses as needed - of course this is a simplified view - attached data like texture data to upload means more data - maybe view opening up and exposing memory pages from the guest os to the host) |
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| 23:57.48 | raster | Robot101: sounds like the right way to me |
| 23:58.16 | raster | tho last i heard of this - i don't know if we talk of the same thing, this only partially worked - ie principle was right, but not fully/properly implemented? |
| 23:58.29 | Robot101 | works fine now |
| 23:58.48 | Robot101 | its not strictly virtualised because its only as 'secure' as the host gl driver/hw |
| 23:59.04 | raster | true |
| 23:59.14 | GAN900 | w00t_, ping? |
| 23:59.23 | w00t_ | pong! |
| 23:59.28 | raster | but for the purpose of emulating let's say opengl-es in qemu on top of a host opengl for development- it'd be sufficient |
| 23:59.37 | raster | i assume that was the intent? :) |
| 23:59.39 | Venemo | what is this ping-pong stuff? |
| 23:59.43 | Robot101 | yup, exactly what it was for :) |
| 23:59.49 | GAN900 | w00t_, Maemo/community/contributor/w00t OK? |
| 23:59.56 | raster | (well u had to als do gles -> gl along the way - but thats not too hard) |
| 23:59.59 | w00t_ | GAN900: ack |