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| 00:07.57 | HtheB | anyone is following WC 2010? |
| 00:08.09 | HtheB | does anyone follow the WC2010* |
| 00:08.46 | HtheB | ???? |
| 00:09.03 | HtheB | lol, everybody is sleeping |
| 00:09.28 | GAN900 | Stupid happy hour |
| 00:10.53 | pyther | Just ordered a N900 :D |
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| 00:12.38 | mhmh | I want the phone back.. shipped it on service 12days ago :/ |
| 00:13.50 | pyther | Now I won't be able to wait to get my hands on mine! |
| 00:14.02 | pyther | Probably won't get it till Wed |
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| 00:15.18 | Ken-Young | pyther, Glad to hear it - welcome to the club! |
| 00:15.30 | pyther | Ken-Young: thanks! |
| 00:18.32 | SpeedEvil | Is there a nice installable package for powertop? |
| 00:21.26 | HtheB | GAN900, |
| 00:21.30 | HtheB | u want happy ending? |
| 00:22.18 | HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE |
| 00:22.21 | HtheB | happy ending! |
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| 00:24.26 | ohwhyme | so ive tried a tracker-processes -r and tracker-processes --hard-reset and the mediaplayer wont index my music files |
| 00:24.32 | ohwhyme | anyone have any ideas on what to do next |
| 00:25.54 | HtheB | idonno |
| 00:27.36 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, should one be available? |
| 00:27.47 | HtheB | no |
| 00:27.49 | HtheB | two |
| 00:27.52 | GAN900 | HtheB, too much wine at the restaurant. |
| 00:28.19 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer51, Happy ending! |
| 00:28.23 | HtheB | :D |
| 00:28.37 | HtheB | did anyone saw England vs USA? |
| 00:28.45 | ohwhyme | yea |
| 00:28.47 | ohwhyme | me |
| 00:28.52 | MohammadAG | HtheB, you really want to get kicked don't you |
| 00:28.58 | HtheB | http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1003731/d3031775/herstel_keeper_engeland_maakte_geen_blunder.html |
| 00:29.05 | HtheB | thats what happened! |
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| 00:30.07 | asj | SpeedEvil: I thought so...I have (had?) it installed on my phone and didn't do anything special |
| 00:30.29 | HtheB | check the link ohwhyme |
| 00:30.30 | HtheB | :D |
| 00:32.18 | ohwhyme | denmark vs cameroon was the best game so far |
| 00:33.05 | HtheB | ohwhyme, did u check the link or not? :p |
| 00:33.10 | SpeedEvil | asj: if you'd OTA'd since PR1 - then it'll be there |
| 00:33.18 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Ideally, yes |
| 00:33.19 | ohwhyme | yea i did |
| 00:33.26 | HtheB | lol save :p |
| 00:33.39 | pyther | What does 768MB of "virtual" ram mean? |
| 00:33.44 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ - someone tried, and failed |
| 00:33.46 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, k, I'm bored anyways |
| 00:33.46 | SpeedEvil | pyther: swap |
| 00:33.48 | pyther | is it swap that rus from the SSD? |
| 00:33.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:34.04 | pyther | so it should be faster than a hard drive based swap, correct? |
| 00:34.19 | SpeedEvil | pyther: In some ways yes, in many ways no. |
| 00:35.00 | MohammadAG | err |
| 00:35.01 | MohammadAG | perf.c: In function 'sys_perf_event_open': |
| 00:35.01 | MohammadAG | perf.c:68: error: '__NR_perf_event_open' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 00:35.01 | MohammadAG | perf.c:68: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 00:35.01 | MohammadAG | perf.c:68: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 00:35.57 | HtheB | ohwhyme, its the vuvuzela |
| 00:36.01 | HtheB | that lets the players sux |
| 00:36.06 | ohwhyme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2LPxggvqY&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:36.16 | HtheB | yup |
| 00:36.17 | HtheB | saw it |
| 00:36.21 | HtheB | its on #1 at the moment |
| 00:36.24 | HtheB | on the site i gave u |
| 00:36.25 | HtheB | :p |
| 00:36.30 | asj | SpeedEvil: ah, nm then |
| 00:36.44 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, any idea what perf is? or if it's even needed |
| 00:37.55 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 00:38.06 | SpeedEvil | I've never looked at the source of powerotp |
| 00:38.21 | SpeedEvil | I note that powertop is not the lesswats.org one |
| 00:41.19 | ShadowJK | oh is source for nokia powertop available? |
| 00:43.22 | MohammadAG | not on the SDK repos |
| 00:44.02 | SpeedEvil | I have plans to replace nokia powertop |
| 00:44.16 | SpeedEvil | But much of my sourcecode is scrawled on post-it-notes. |
| 00:44.27 | MohammadAG | hey that worked |
| 00:44.31 | MohammadAG | I used the lenny source |
| 00:44.43 | SpeedEvil | is that the one from lesswatts? |
| 00:45.11 | ShadowJK | probably |
| 00:45.30 | SpeedEvil | The non-nokia one doesn't give nearly as much hardware info unfortunately |
| 00:45.49 | ShadowJK | well lesswatts.org is basically intel |
| 00:45.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:46.04 | GAN900 | I suppose when that Missteps post hits 100 thanks I'm officially a whore? |
| 00:46.13 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:46.45 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> The non-nokia one doesn't give nearly as much hardware info unfortunately |
| 00:46.49 | MohammadAG | and where is the nokia one? |
| 00:47.00 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: As much as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6ZaWS5x14 |
| 00:47.14 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: nokia! |
| 00:47.18 | SpeedEvil | has no clue. |
| 00:47.26 | SpeedEvil | Maybe ShadowJK might know who to poke |
| 00:47.30 | MohammadAG | ok... so is there a binary? |
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| 00:47.37 | MohammadAG | I could make a non-free package |
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| 00:48.00 | MohammadAG | wb DocScrutinizer |
| 00:48.27 | SpeedEvil | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=634362 |
| 00:52.52 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, suggest a section http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Sections |
| 00:53.10 | MohammadAG | I'd say user/system |
| 00:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333#post491333 |
| 00:53.58 | MohammadAG | yeah DocScrutinizer, already got it and making a non-free package |
| 00:55.54 | SpeedEvil | Isn't it more development? |
| 00:56.41 | MohammadAG | development it is |
| 00:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | special |
| 00:59.56 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, any ideas if it depends on anything? |
| 01:00.05 | MohammadAG | and should I include an icon for it? |
| 01:00.10 | pyther | How does koffice work with view word documents? |
| 01:00.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the above is just a binary I think |
| 01:01.07 | MohammadAG | I know |
| 01:01.12 | MohammadAG | I already have a package |
| 01:01.14 | SpeedEvil | ldd /usr/local/bin/powertop |
| 01:01.15 | SpeedEvil | libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x40030000) |
| 01:01.16 | SpeedEvil | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40042000) |
| 01:01.16 | SpeedEvil | /lib/ld-linux.so.3 (0x40000000) |
| 01:01.19 | SpeedEvil | I think that means no? |
| 01:01.34 | MohammadAG | I guess those are built in |
| 01:01.35 | MohammadAG | afaik |
| 01:01.39 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - that if your phone dosn't have those, it's not really gonna matter :) |
| 01:01.58 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 01:02.13 | GAN900 | hopes Docs gets fixed before mwkn has to go up. |
| 01:04.21 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, does it need to be run as root? |
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| 01:07.51 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:08.20 | MohammadAG | meh, so I need a sudoers entry |
| 01:09.09 | SpeedEvil | In practice, it's going to be mostly useless run from the UI |
| 01:09.09 | SpeedEvil | It needs to be run over ssh |
| 01:09.44 | MohammadAG | _needs_? |
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| 01:10.03 | SpeedEvil | needs is perhaps strong |
| 01:10.49 | SpeedEvil | But for example running with the screen unblanked reports 4% CPU use, and 70 wakeups/s, vs 0.2% and 20/sec |
| 01:11.16 | SpeedEvil | It's probably sane to have it do that though |
| 01:11.31 | SpeedEvil | startable through the UI - if you can also ssh to it. |
| 01:11.41 | SpeedEvil | Or run it in xterm, and blank the screen. |
| 01:12.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_checklist#Testing_software |
| 01:12.32 | SpeedEvil | There is probably a better explanation somewhere that I missed - I just wrote that |
| 01:13.06 | pyther | Is it possible to set a ring schedule where maybe from 9:00am-12:00pm the phone is on vibrate and then the rest of the day it is on ring? |
| 01:13.40 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/powertop_1.0_armel.deb |
| 01:13.42 | GAN900 | pyther, short answer is yes |
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| 01:14.11 | pyther | GAN900: is there a guide or something on the maemo website? (I don't have the phone up) and a search failed me |
| 01:14.12 | GAN900 | pyther, long answer is that I'm not sure of anything available that makes it simple. |
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| 01:15.02 | MohammadAG | alarmed does |
| 01:20.17 | asj | pyther: ses does it too |
| 01:20.50 | asj | pyther: rather I should say, System Event Scheduler does exactly that and it works fine |
| 01:21.15 | pyther | asj: and that is shipped by default? |
| 01:21.19 | asj | (of course it's in extras-devel) |
| 01:21.50 | asj | pyther: of course not...but not much ships as default, that's what extras is for (and -testing and -devel) |
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| 01:25.07 | pyther | Is extra-devel as dangerous as the wiki makes it sound? |
| 01:25.34 | FauxFaux | Yes and no. |
| 01:30.01 | pyther | Is there a nice easy way to view the extra-devel repo? |
| 01:34.53 | MohammadAG | Xarchiver updated, if anyone gives a crap |
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| 01:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | how would I catch a look to a kernel oops printout? |
| 01:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | is there any way to redirect the kernel console, or otherwise get the kernel log after reboot? |
| 01:38.54 | MohammadAG | sysklogd |
| 01:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't install on 'your' kernel. Some weird a needs b needs c needs a |
| 01:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | (sic!) |
| 01:42.28 | ohwhyme | how's the usb otg coming along? |
| 01:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | WC holiday |
| 01:43.24 | ohwhyme | :D |
| 01:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install klogd |
| 01:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.36 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> WC holiday LOL |
| 01:45.55 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: oopses are in /proc/mtdn |
| 01:45.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it installs fine here, enable -devel |
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| 01:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install system-log-daemon |
| 01:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | Note, selecting sysklogd instead of system-log-daemon |
| 01:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.12 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:47.37 | MohammadAG | apt-get install sysklogd klogd |
| 01:48.32 | ham5 | installed fine for me just now |
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| 01:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems this time it only dropped the usual unmet deps |
| 01:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, OMG OMG OMG, you broke it! |
| 01:50.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, umm. seriously, PR1.1.1? |
| 01:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | YOUR kernel broke it ;-P |
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| 01:50.22 | MohammadAG | MY kernel is for 1.2, YOUR on the older version :P |
| 01:50.29 | MohammadAG | you're* |
| 01:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | nope, that's your kernel and modules running fine on a 1.1.1 environment |
| 01:50.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and didn't I give you great packages? |
| 01:51.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, but the SSU package is 'braindamaged' |
| 01:51.18 | MohammadAG | err |
| 01:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 01:51.23 | MohammadAG | s/great/updated/ |
| 01:51.30 | MohammadAG | idk why I said that... |
| 01:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | anyway lemme check if sysklogd is there now. Ummm how'd I do that, btw? reboot |
| 01:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 01:52.35 | MohammadAG | do what? |
| 01:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | start klogd |
| 01:52.50 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 01:53.02 | MohammadAG | I think so, or start sysklogd |
| 01:53.27 | DocScrutinizer | start: Unknown job: sysklogd |
| 01:53.43 | pyther | Any good sites that feature apps for maemo? |
| 01:53.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you install it? |
| 01:54.08 | MohammadAG | pyther, yeah, maemo.org |
| 01:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: >:-( HOW DO I KNOW? |
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| 02:08.23 | MohammadAG | Night peeps |
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| 02:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: oopses are in /proc/mtdn |
| 02:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? |
| 02:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | klogd failed epically on writing back even the last line that was displayed by a tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 02:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | prior to the kernel crash |
| 02:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | there's just /proc/mtd and the content of that one is rather sysinfo than any log |
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| 02:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | oooo k |
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| 02:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | why I'm not surprised? X-P |
| 02:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | [128769.325012] Process hald-addon-bme (pid: 858, stack limit = 0xce3a62e0) |
| 02:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | [128769.325042] Stack: (0xce3a7ea0 to 0xce3a8000) |
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| 03:00.51 | Macer | is it me or after 1.2 does microb seem to work like crap? |
| 03:01.10 | asj | Macer: it's you |
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| 03:02.53 | asj | Macer: I beleive it turns off javascript timers after X many seconds by default now, perhaps that's causing you issues? |
| 03:04.02 | Macer | maybe. seems slow though |
| 03:04.28 | Macer | and randomly crashes when typing in an address in the bookmark startup screen |
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| 03:08.33 | asj | Macer: have not seen that |
| 03:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: I hope you're not using a device that had been overclocked formerly (or even now) |
| 03:10.33 | pigeon | weird, now my wifi adhoc stopped working with my n900 :( |
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| 03:24.17 | flailingmonkey | a friend with an N900 seems to think adhoc isn't stable. might have been trying to start a network rather than join one |
| 03:24.26 | pigeon | hmm |
| 03:24.37 | pigeon | the "WEP" on the n900, what is it actually? |
| 03:25.00 | pigeon | like, under network manager on linux, there's 40bit and 128bit WEP. |
| 03:25.36 | pyther | pigeon: it is a type of wireless encryption |
| 03:26.06 | pigeon | hmm, so which one should i choose on the other end? |
| 03:26.29 | pyther | well that would depend what wireless encryption your network is using |
| 03:26.36 | pyther | wpa/wpa2 is probably pretty common these days |
| 03:26.41 | pigeon | so the n900 will work it out? |
| 03:26.50 | pigeon | as in, between 40bit or 128bit key |
| 03:27.05 | pigeon | wpa/wpa2 doesn't work with ah hoc though i thought |
| 03:27.09 | pigeon | or at least not on the n900 |
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| 03:28.11 | pigeon | or, at least, not from its gui... |
| 03:28.25 | pyther | I'm not very familar with ad-hoc networks, sorry |
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| 03:30.22 | N900bastard | there any programers in this channel? |
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| 03:32.44 | pigeon | any programmers? |
| 03:33.10 | N900bastard | yeah...maemo programers |
| 03:33.25 | flailingmonkey | yeah, they're all asleep |
| 03:33.47 | Ken-Young | pigeon, I'm sorta a programmer... |
| 03:33.49 | flailingmonkey | many in the european timezones |
| 03:33.53 | N900bastard | just wanted to ask why most n900 apps suck balls compared to android |
| 03:34.06 | pigeon | well, i'm a programmer too, but not (yet) a maemo programmer |
| 03:35.05 | Ken-Young | N900bastard, They don't suck balls, they simply take an IQ greater than 70 0 to appreciate. |
| 03:35.16 | pyther | :D |
| 03:35.46 | N900bastard | Ken-Young: you familiar with android? |
| 03:36.00 | Ken-Young | You betcha - I've got an ANdroid phone. |
| 03:36.16 | Ken-Young | I stopped downloading fart apps after number 600. |
| 03:36.22 | N900bastard | then u know what i'm saying? |
| 03:36.54 | N900bastard | funny how all you nokia lovers always bring up the same "fart app" argument - fucking weak |
| 03:38.01 | asj | N900bastard: bored yet? |
| 03:38.12 | Ken-Young | Yes, the ANdroid market place has a spectacular selection of fart and celebrity soundboard apps. Countless Sudoku and bejewelled clones. Gosh, I'm weeping with jealousy. |
| 03:38.19 | flailingmonkey | N900bastard: what are your most important android apps? perhaps then we will know what specific deficiences must be addressed |
| 03:39.03 | flailingmonkey | please note, I am not defending current selection. but broad generalities are wasted bytes |
| 03:39.17 | puzzled | pitches support for client certificate authentication in Modest |
| 03:39.35 | N900bastard | i dont have android phone but i was playing with one and man they wipe the floor with maemo |
| 03:40.02 | pyther | N900bastard: you do know you can put Andriod on your N900 if you feel so inclined |
| 03:40.14 | N900bastard | pyther: i know |
| 03:40.34 | Ken-Young | And Apple wipes the floor with Android, if apps are your method of judging. |
| 03:40.53 | N900bastard | i guess it dont really matter since nokia is shutting maemo down |
| 03:40.57 | pigeon | N900bastard: i'm sure there are apps on android that the n900 hasn't got, but what app(s) in particular? |
| 03:41.06 | flailingmonkey | puzzled: indeed, a lot of isses would be better addressed by improving the core apps in maemo 5, rather than a whole new one |
| 03:41.11 | Ken-Young | N900bastard, On that I can agree with you. |
| 03:41.24 | N900bastard | pigeon: i cant really tell you -the selection is just better it seems |
| 03:41.54 | pyther | N900bastard: I ordered a N900 today because it is going to give me control, maemo is 100% open and from what I am able to tell very open to modifications |
| 03:42.02 | pyther | Andriod likely not as much |
| 03:42.14 | pyther | I love that fact I'll be able to ssh into my boxes from my phone |
| 03:42.20 | N900bastard | pyther: i love my n900 - best freaking phone out there |
| 03:42.42 | N900bastard | is there an app for ssh on n900? |
| 03:42.55 | Ken-Young | N900bastard, If you love your N900, write an app for it! |
| 03:43.19 | N900bastard | cause i was fucking around with ssh the other day on my n900 but couldnt get this shit to work, too much geek talk |
| 03:43.21 | asj | N900bastard: an app for ssh? really? you have to ask? |
| 03:43.27 | pyther | N900bastard: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/openssh-client/ |
| 03:43.46 | pigeon | on that note, i was extremely disappointed that there isn't a free ssh client on the apple app store. |
| 03:44.01 | N900bastard | pyther: thanks - i tried it just seems like a half assed effort |
| 03:44.10 | pigeon | without jail breaking the device that is... |
| 03:44.42 | flailingmonkey | pigeon: i wonder if it would get accepted |
| 03:44.52 | asj | N900bastard: lol :) |
| 03:45.17 | flailingmonkey | for maemo devices, Ovi store is like a lemonade stand. |
| 03:45.24 | N900bastard | this is what i mean....other os have polished apps.... maemo has half assed shit designed for geeks |
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| 03:45.30 | pigeon | flailingmonkey: and i ended up paying one for about $2, and it doesn't support ansi color properly :( |
| 03:45.38 | pyther | noob question but what are maemo apps developed in (language; python, c, c++, etc...) |
| 03:45.47 | pyther | or does that depend on the program? |
| 03:45.50 | flailingmonkey | extras is another distribution path, but it won't draw proprietary apps |
| 03:45.52 | pigeon | actually, s/properly// :) |
| 03:45.53 | puzzled | N900bastard: the phone is aimed at geeks... |
| 03:46.20 | asj | N900bastard: you want to ssh somewhere and you're complaining about opening a terminal and sshing there....? really?</fuel troll> |
| 03:46.40 | N900bastard | geeks talk about this linux shit in their pockets as if it was the second coming of messiah....fuck linux i say |
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| 03:46.56 | flailingmonkey | pyther: maemo apps have been GTK+ apps written to use the hildon interface, and now the platform is moving to Qt |
| 03:47.06 | pigeon | i bet someone here can write a frontend to ssh in no time... |
| 03:47.17 | flailingmonkey | both in C++, but there are python bindings |
| 03:47.38 | N900bastard | flailingmonkey: and next year the platform will move to something else... thats the problem with nokia |
| 03:47.58 | N900bastard | they not consistent |
| 03:48.24 | Ken-Young | No, they can be counted on to abandon us. |
| 03:48.25 | pyther | flailingmonkey: ahh ok, maybe I'll learn some c++ and write some ssh sync code for conboy (tomboy clone) |
| 03:49.36 | puzzled | Ken-Young: as long as they release a good meego image for N900 it's ok with me |
| 03:50.12 | Ken-Young | puzzled, I agree. I'm not optimistic about that though. |
| 03:50.45 | N900bastard | full of lies they are |
| 03:51.06 | puzzled | neither am I. but if they do they will probably piss of a lot of devs which is not good for their eco system |
| 03:51.49 | asj | why can't the community do a meego image? ;) |
| 03:52.30 | puzzled | asj: sure, if Nokia provides the closed parts in an ongoing effort I don't see why not. It's just another distro |
| 03:52.34 | N900bastard | asj: fuck the community image.....i want official shit for my n900 |
| 03:53.12 | asj | puzzled: meego should be tad more open which may help |
| 03:53.16 | N900bastard | i dont want hacked os on my phone |
| 03:53.59 | flailingmonkey | the thing is, they are paying people to get meego (and harmattan) working on N900 |
| 03:54.01 | puzzled | watches the clueless meter run straight of the scale |
| 03:54.36 | N900bastard | flailingmonkey: where did u hear that? |
| 03:54.40 | flailingmonkey | they aren't just asking people to put the pieces together. but they aren't committing to having Nokia Care people walk users through the install, etc |
| 03:54.48 | N900bastard | last i heard was nokia killing maemo |
| 03:54.52 | flailingmonkey | directly from the people working on the project |
| 03:55.02 | asj | flailingmonkey: I would like to see it :) |
| 03:55.30 | N900bastard | there's been so many conflicting stories from nokia.... dont know who to trust |
| 03:56.14 | flailingmonkey | it's coming. there is culture clash inside Nokia, which is why they can't talk details in public or they risk getting fired |
| 03:56.46 | flailingmonkey | as for the move to Qt, that was coming a long time. before that it was always GTK+ |
| 03:57.15 | flailingmonkey | the major abandonment issue was new OS releases on the previous hardware generation |
| 03:57.29 | puzzled | flailingmonkey: maybe they should have put the effort in a skunkworks project out of sight of "old school" influences and opinion |
| 03:57.54 | N900bastard | and thats what i'm afraid will happen to n900...abandoment...hope i'm wrong |
| 04:00.12 | flailingmonkey | they already have meego running on the N900, which is a looot more than could be said of previous NITs |
| 04:01.15 | pyther | What is meego? <=== sorry for the noob question |
| 04:01.29 | flailingmonkey | ~meego |
| 04:01.32 | infobot | it has been said that meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices |
| 04:01.32 | pigeon | does anyone know how i can change the incoming server (imap) address for an e-mail account in modest without deleting it first? the fields is grey out in the options for whatever reason... |
| 04:01.32 | puzzled | http://meego.com/ |
| 04:01.35 | N900bastard | yeah... but it's meant it's just to test shit... not intended for the public |
| 04:01.41 | pigeon | even username is grey out |
| 04:01.46 | asj | pyther: a joint intel nokia probject, that compines maemo with intels work |
| 04:02.07 | puzzled | pigeon: don't think you can change |
| 04:02.14 | pigeon | hmm |
| 04:02.19 | puzzled | indeed |
| 04:02.21 | N900bastard | flailingmonkey: nokia is running meego now on n900 just to test it.... they said n900 is just a testing platform no? |
| 04:02.32 | pigeon | not even changing the config file somewhere? |
| 04:02.46 | pigeon | or maybe in a gconf settings? |
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| 04:02.52 | puzzled | pigeon: that I don't know |
| 04:03.00 | pigeon | hmm alright, thanks. |
| 04:03.30 | flailingmonkey | N900bastard: nope |
| 04:03.39 | N900bastard | no? |
| 04:04.19 | flailingmonkey | in fact they are building the build system so that meego apps can be built for maemo 5 (fremantle) and so that meego images can be built for N900 |
| 04:04.33 | flailingmonkey | so all future meego versions will run on N900 |
| 04:04.52 | N900bastard | hmm....interesting shit |
| 04:05.11 | puzzled | N900bastard: read this: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html |
| 04:05.37 | N900bastard | what i dont get is.... why not just come out and say it: "meego will run on n900".... why all this bullshit talk from nokia? |
| 04:05.58 | flailingmonkey | obviously, they should promote this properly, but right now the project managers want a whole big reveal thing (eventually people saying Nokia should be like Apple, and THAT is what they choose to do) |
| 04:06.20 | flailingmonkey | so it all has to be, quiet. until some annoucement |
| 04:06.30 | puzzled | hopes for a big announcement on GUADEC |
| 04:07.32 | N900bastard | flailingmonkey: i respect what yer saying man.... i just dont see nokia EVER making an announcement about meego on n900.... i just dont get the vibes reading all the shit |
| 04:08.35 | flailingmonkey | and I don't even know who they got doing their PR. |
| 04:10.19 | flailingmonkey | but at the end of the day, you have to see it as: maemo.org people (paid to develop Maemo, by Nokia, but are contractors), then Maemo (now Meego) Devices group at Nokia, THEN Nokia people that choose what gets announced, and how |
| 04:10.54 | puzzled | that's enough room for a lot of disconnects :) |
| 04:13.02 | asj | you assume nokia knows what it wants |
| 04:13.53 | GAN900 | flailingmonkey, maemo.org people are paid to develop maemo.org |
| 04:14.27 | GAN900 | Call them Nokia contractors if you're talking about Collabora, Kernel Concepts, Open Ismus, etc. |
| 04:14.31 | flailingmonkey | GAN900: thanks for the clarification :-) maemo.org is the community |
| 04:14.51 | GAN900 | N900bastard, define "MeeGo" |
| 04:15.25 | N900bastard | meego is maemo and intel stuff now under one new name |
| 04:15.38 | GAN900 | N900bastard, as it stands now we have at least two major things: MeeGo-Harmattan and meego.com-MeeGo |
| 04:15.44 | flailingmonkey | mixed up the contractors that work on Maemo, and the wonderful people that work for the maemo.org community |
| 04:16.12 | N900bastard | GAN900: meaning what? |
| 04:16.18 | GAN900 | MeeGo-Harmattan will not be officially supported for N900 (because Nokia hates their customers) |
| 04:16.45 | GAN900 | meego.com-MeeGo is supporting the N900 as its ARM dev platform. |
| 04:16.58 | digitalsurgeon | do any of you guys use reddit ? |
| 04:17.16 | digitalsurgeon | would the idea of a reddit app appeal you guys ? |
| 04:17.25 | RST38h | EHLO maeblin punks |
| 04:17.35 | GAN900 | So, in the end, you get a pill of mostly useless bits and pieces for users unless somebody from the community steps up and makes it work. |
| 04:17.57 | GAN900 | So when you talk about Nokia making an announcement about MeeGo and the N900 |
| 04:18.19 | GAN900 | and when you talk about meego.com providing some sort of support for the N900 |
| 04:18.20 | N900bastard | GAN900: right... i get it |
| 04:18.37 | GAN900 | you're actually talking about a half dozen things. ;) |
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| 04:19.32 | flailingmonkey | goes to bed |
| 04:19.50 | GAN900 | In summary, it's BYOS (Bring Your Own Support) because Nokia's filled with cheap bastards who couldn't give two shits for the people who have already forked over the cash. |
| 04:21.00 | N900bastard | GAN900: sad |
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| 04:22.27 | GAN900 | Indeed |
| 04:25.05 | asj | that's a pretty imature view |
| 04:26.36 | N900bastard | asj: but its true |
| 04:27.02 | asj | N900bastard: it's true that it's an immature view? |
| 04:27.28 | N900bastard | asj: no... the view is true |
| 04:29.52 | asj | N900bastard: I don't understand why one would expect a device to follow a major os change, nokia has said they won't do it, they've never done it before. Wouldn't you rather have developer resources focused on the next new device to make it better than playing around with a 1.5 year peice of limited hardware? |
| 04:31.20 | N900bastard | asj: no. i hate nokia constantly giving the finger to their customers. and the n900 is not 1.5 years....it's only been on the market for a very short time and nokia is fucking their customers already |
| 04:32.12 | ljp | FUD |
| 04:32.34 | RST38h | It is more like 6 months, indeed |
| 04:33.04 | asj | N900bastard: to get the device to market you can be assured hw designs for it were probably done >6mo before it hit store shelves. You haven't been screwed, if nokia said "we will support blah on the device" then reversed the decision you would have been screwed, they said they wouldn't and you may not have chosen to beleive them...but that's not their fail |
| 04:34.18 | ljp | as far as support for the n900. I wonder what all the work I have been doing bringing mobility to the n900 for the last year is... |
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| 04:34.37 | N900bastard | asj: a 3 yeard old iphone can run the latest os... 6 month old N900 is being killed off... see the difference? |
| 04:34.45 | asj | N900bastard: nope |
| 04:34.55 | digitalsurgeon | guys this is for the best, for Nokia doesnt do what its doing, there might not be a maemo device in the future ... ever |
| 04:34.57 | N900bastard | asj: really? |
| 04:34.57 | asj | ljp: consitent support accross platforms? :) |
| 04:35.10 | RST38h | has been screwed by the broken Phone application on the n900 |
| 04:35.37 | RST38h | has been screwed by the non-working mail client |
| 04:35.40 | ljp | i guess it s for non support of a dying device that nokia has killed off, even though a major update was just released a few weeks ago |
| 04:35.52 | ljp | shurgs |
| 04:35.52 | RST38h | has been screwed by the overally sluggish system |
| 04:36.02 | digitalsurgeon | n900 was for geeks, it was never intended for mass audience. |
| 04:36.11 | ljp | right |
| 04:36.16 | RST38h | has been screwed by the lack of Cyrillics support on physical kbd |
| 04:36.20 | digitalsurgeon | it was for Open Source geeks, ppl like you |
| 04:36.29 | RST38h | Should I continue or are you getting the picture? |
| 04:37.29 | ljp | yep. youve convinced me. nokia is killing off the n900. you might as well send it to me |
| 04:37.35 | asj | RST38h: if I get an iphone and don't get a free ssh client did apple screw me? |
| 04:37.55 | RST38h | asj: no |
| 04:38.07 | asj | RST38h: but I want it! |
| 04:38.13 | N900bastard | asj: thats different.... what da fuck you talking about it? |
| 04:38.23 | RST38h | but if you get an iphone and have problems using it to call people, apple screwed you |
| 04:38.45 | RST38h | asj: check my statements above, do you see ssh there? |
| 04:38.50 | ljp | i don tthink your 3g iphone is going to get updated to ios4 |
| 04:38.53 | N900bastard | asj: thats the problem... nokia apologists will continue to buy their products and nokia will never stop fucking their customer |
| 04:38.54 | digitalsurgeon | RST38h I will also happily take the n900 off your hands |
| 04:39.00 | asj | RST38h: just because you don't care about ssh doesn't mean I don't |
| 04:39.20 | RST38h | but ssh has not been included into the base os |
| 04:39.20 | ljp | obviously you havent yet gotten your latest update |
| 04:39.30 | ljp | i could have sworn I got one the other week |
| 04:39.38 | ljp | checks |
| 04:39.39 | RST38h | I have been talking about builtin stuff failing to work |
| 04:39.40 | Arkenoi | well, actually new decent phones come at "one per 2-3 years" rate |
| 04:39.55 | Arkenoi | so n900 has at least 1.5 years to live |
| 04:40.06 | Arkenoi | i doubt situation will change |
| 04:40.09 | ljp | for killing off a device, Nokia sure does heaps of work on it |
| 04:40.20 | asj | RST38h: so am I, I can't add arbitrary applications to the device, I think that's getting screwed |
| 04:40.26 | RST38h | ljp: as evidenced by...? |
| 04:40.39 | RST38h | asj <-- bullshitting |
| 04:40.49 | asj | RST38h: qt 4.6 being released for it |
| 04:40.53 | ljp | ermmm.. what I have been working on the last months |
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| 04:41.04 | ljp | what hundreds of developers have been doing |
| 04:41.05 | RST38h | asj: that is calle "working on qt" |
| 04:41.13 | ljp | the latest frickin update |
| 04:41.14 | RST38h | does not have use for qt |
| 04:41.25 | Arkenoi | qt sucks |
| 04:41.32 | ljp | right |
| 04:41.33 | Arkenoi | at least on n900 and at the moment |
| 04:41.37 | asj | RST38h: ah, but without qt 4.6 you would have been stuck with a dieing device |
| 04:41.40 | ljp | thats why gtk is so sindy |
| 04:41.42 | ljp | windy |
| 04:42.12 | asj | ljp: that's just because your pants are low ;) |
| 04:42.27 | ljp | yep. on the ground |
| 04:42.50 | Arkenoi | and if you use qt you have programs that take 3-4s just to *start*, it is *INACCEPTABLE FAIL*, it is not WM, guys, so it is *NOT TOLERABLE* |
| 04:43.26 | ljp | thats because the gtk event loop is slow |
| 04:43.49 | RST38h | asj: I would not. |
| 04:44.04 | digitalsurgeon | Arkenoi: if the whole device was Qt, it would be so much faster. |
| 04:44.17 | digitalsurgeon | Loading Qt libs takes time, just like on GNOME loading KDE apps takes time. |
| 04:44.25 | RST38h | Qt is just a UI framework. To the end user, it is no different from Gtk |
| 04:44.52 | ljp | qt is more than ui |
| 04:44.54 | RST38h | So, Qt may be important for Nokia, but it does not make much of a difference for the users |
| 04:44.54 | digitalsurgeon | Qt provides much nicer transitions fw, on the level above or equal to coco touch. |
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| 04:45.10 | RST38h | ljp: Yea, it is also an attempt to unseat POSIX with C++ |
| 04:45.24 | RST38h | ljp: Which is even less interesting for both users and developers |
| 04:45.24 | digitalsurgeon | RST38h you would see when the next meego device comes from Nokia, |
| 04:45.43 | RST38h | yawns at digitalsurgeon |
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| 04:45.51 | asj | RST38h: umm, that would be like saying glib is trying to unseat posix with C |
| 04:45.55 | RST38h | Transitions. Pfft. All you need is transitions, indeed :) |
| 04:46.02 | RST38h | asj: Correct |
| 04:46.09 | RST38h | asj: And also failing miserably. |
| 04:46.27 | ljp | POSIX is so... 1970's |
| 04:46.36 | RST38h | Good. |
| 04:46.53 | digitalsurgeon | well just as an example look at neego netbook ui 1.0 that was release coupld of weeks ago. |
| 04:46.54 | RST38h | It is simple, well supported, and works. |
| 04:47.01 | digitalsurgeon | it kills win 7 on a netbook. |
| 04:47.13 | digitalsurgeon | and it sall Qt |
| 04:47.14 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: What is a netbook? Why do I need it? |
| 04:47.32 | Arkenoi | win 7 on a netbook is probably not hard to kill |
| 04:47.42 | asj | RST38h: ok, great unseat it, it's not portable on desktops, much less phones. It's time is over. |
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| 04:47.48 | digitalsurgeon | it kills all linux uis on netwbook as well |
| 04:48.06 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: Why do I need 1) netbooks 2) linux on netbooks ? |
| 04:48.08 | Arkenoi | digitalsurgeon, it is much more interesting. how? |
| 04:48.29 | RST38h | has a subnotebook, running WinXP, weighting less than some netbooks |
| 04:48.31 | digitalsurgeon | ok, just one work, QtQuick |
| 04:48.44 | digitalsurgeon | you tube for QtQuick Demos. |
| 04:48.44 | RST38h | googles for tQuick |
| 04:49.36 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: So, it is another load of eyecandy. What is your point? |
| 04:49.40 | puzzled | here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePHFGKwE6mc |
| 04:49.53 | RST38h | Does it allow me to do something I have not been able to do with, let us say, WinXP? |
| 04:50.03 | digitalsurgeon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NK4zeAe5-Y |
| 04:50.11 | ljp | ermm. yes |
| 04:50.14 | GAN900 | asj, your revisionist history is interesting |
| 04:50.31 | RST38h | puzzled: looks like Modest. |
| 04:50.41 | RST38h | And we all know by now that Modest sucks. |
| 04:50.48 | asj | GAN900: I'm not revising any history, but it's also not 1998 anymore |
| 04:50.50 | GAN900 | asj, and people expect it because ALL of their competitors in this niche are providing that support. |
| 04:50.55 | puzzled | RST38h: but I bet it does client certificate authentication :) |
| 04:50.55 | ljp | qt quick doesnt look like anything |
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| 04:51.00 | RST38h | asj: POSIX works everywhere, phones included. |
| 04:51.05 | GAN900 | asj, the N800 received a major update |
| 04:51.07 | RST38h | asj: Why, it is even supported inSymbian |
| 04:51.10 | GAN900 | as did the 770 |
| 04:51.25 | GAN900 | so you're either underinformed or revisionist. |
| 04:51.27 | asj | RST38h: android being java only doesn't do posix, fail. |
| 04:51.43 | Arkenoi | does not see how QtQuick can "kill" anything on a device without a touchscreen |
| 04:51.48 | digitalsurgeon | QtQuick / Declarative UI is where I think Nokia is betting, ,the reason for the delays in devices ... |
| 04:51.54 | RST38h | asj: Android phoens support posix underneath, when you program using native api |
| 04:52.07 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: declarative UI has been known since Motif |
| 04:52.25 | digitalsurgeon | but tell me which mobile os currently uses declarative uis ? |
| 04:52.27 | GAN900 | asj, and they HAVE said they'd support their products better in the future than they did in the past. |
| 04:52.39 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: Any Flash-based device from Samsung |
| 04:52.40 | asj | RST38h: symbian's posix support is unuseable, and "underneath" is the lamest excuse I've ever heard |
| 04:52.53 | RST38h | asj: It is sufficient for me. |
| 04:52.53 | digitalsurgeon | samsung makes flash based devices ? |
| 04:53.00 | RST38h | asj: Does all the basic things |
| 04:53.00 | GAN900 | asj, so kindly stop spewing uninformed nonsense since you clearly aren't very familiar with Maemo's history. |
| 04:53.01 | digitalsurgeon | wow thats new for me :) |
| 04:53.16 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: I think a lot of thing are new to you |
| 04:53.18 | asj | GAN900: maemo's history is irrelevant |
| 04:53.31 | digitalsurgeon | flash is a performance hog, but qt quick just flies, even on symbian. |
| 04:53.33 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: So, if I were you, I would be sitting quietly and listening. |
| 04:53.36 | asj | GAN900: unknown trial devices that weren't important 3 years ago and are less no |
| 04:53.36 | asj | w |
| 04:54.13 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: Wonderful, "just flies" is what we have heard of Clutter based UI |
| 04:54.22 | digitalsurgeon | RSt38h: dude if you are so pissed at N900 then why no go buy something else and stop whining ? |
| 04:54.32 | ljp | except 'just flies' also includes development time |
| 04:54.40 | GAN900 | ljp, as for that latest update, well, I got more regression than update. |
| 04:54.42 | RST38h | digitalsurgeon: You probably missed Clutter advocacy phase from Nokia |
| 04:54.49 | digitalsurgeon | i meant the development time, i made the copter game in one day |
| 04:55.16 | GAN900 | digitalsurgeon, because we'd like to see the platform succeed. |
| 04:55.32 | GAN900 | Despite the fact that Nokia does everything in its power to see it fail. |
| 04:55.41 | N900bastard | who is calling 1.2 pr update? they broke more things that fixed |
| 04:55.47 | RST38h | true |
| 04:56.18 | digitalsurgeon | i guess u guys are fan bois for gtk or clutter :) |
| 04:56.26 | GAN900 | N900bastard, +1 |
| 04:56.42 | GAN900 | And "hundreds" of developers is an interesting number. |
| 04:56.55 | asj | digitalsurgeon: just whingers :) |
| 04:56.57 | GAN900 | considering the Fremantle team is down to skeleton crew size. |
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| 04:57.23 | GAN900 | asj, how cleverly dismissive of people you disagree with. |
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| 04:57.32 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 04:57.36 | ljp | because fremantle is in maintainence mode |
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| 04:57.54 | RST38h | asj: and not even caring to check who these people are... |
| 04:58.09 | GAN900 | ljp, yes, because Nokia doesn't care about their existing customers |
| 04:58.11 | N900bastard | typical of this channel to dismiss people they dont agree with as trolls or noobies |
| 04:58.25 | RST38h | whoch is making the whole thing even funnier |
| 04:58.30 | ljp | GAN900: wrong |
| 04:58.34 | GAN900 | So don't trot out your "big" update as some sort of proof that they do. |
| 04:58.54 | RST38h | GAN900 <-- a newbie troll indeed |
| 04:59.16 | GAN900 | tries one more time to get google docs to let him edit mwkn before sleeping. |
| 04:59.28 | asj | GAN900: the only thing you do on irc is complain, and tmo is so full of complaints it's hard to see anything else eh? |
| 04:59.32 | ljp | hmm. so if nokia puts out an update its not supporting customers, and if nokia does not put out an update its not supporting customers, either. gotcha |
| 04:59.39 | GAN900 | asj, good for you. |
| 04:59.42 | digitalsurgeon | but you guys are acting as trolls |
| 04:59.55 | digitalsurgeon | any ways what ever makes you guys happy and go to sleep :) |
| 05:00.18 | N900bastard | how can anyone in their right mind call 1.2 update????? |
| 05:00.32 | RST38h | Yes, we are all trolls here |
| 05:00.37 | ljp | i dunno, works for me, and gave me new features |
| 05:00.38 | GAN900 | ljp, an "update" that's months delayed and has more regressions than fixes isn't really an update. |
| 05:00.42 | RST38h | trololololo is what we do |
| 05:01.37 | asj | certainly an unhappy bunch |
| 05:01.40 | GAN900 | Sorry, Jaffa, thwarted by Docs. |
| 05:02.11 | N900bastard | it's funny how 1.2 fixed a couple of bugs (overshadowed by numerous regressions) but Nokia apologists get a boner in their pants |
| 05:02.14 | frals | more regressions than fixes sounds a tad made up tbh |
| 05:02.30 | GAN900 | frals, hyperbole helps keep me sane. |
| 05:03.00 | GAN900 | At the end of my patience here, so. . . . ;) |
| 05:03.45 | RST38h | how many nokia apologists do you know? |
| 05:03.55 | RST38h | haven't they been a dying kind lately? |
| 05:04.25 | N900bastard | Is quim and other nokians still posting on maemo.org or have gthe |
| 05:04.40 | RST38h | Ah those... |
| 05:04.46 | N900bastard | or have they run away completely to meego? |
| 05:05.09 | RST38h | no, Quim is still around, making sure he mentions Meego in his every post though |
| 05:06.22 | N900bastard | Nokia have fucked every n900 owner and it's criminal that they're still introducing the N900 in markets, a device they have killed off |
| 05:06.41 | ljp | evidence? or are you just talking out your *ss? |
| 05:07.07 | N900bastard | ljp: you serious? |
| 05:07.23 | ljp | you just contridicted yourself in one sentence |
| 05:07.39 | N900bastard | i did? |
| 05:07.46 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i don't think symbian supports posix :) |
| 05:07.51 | N900bastard | prey tell how |
| 05:07.52 | ljp | 'introducing' and 'killed off' |
| 05:08.06 | Jaffa | GAN900: No probs, let me put it somewhere else and we can publish when ready |
| 05:08.09 | RST38h | symbian supported posix since S60e3 at leat |
| 05:08.16 | N900bastard | yes....thats what nokia did cause they re so fucking greedy |
| 05:08.20 | RST38h | they had to, to make JVM work. |
| 05:08.42 | ljp | N900bastard: again. evidence? |
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| 05:09.27 | ljp | i personally knoq about 50 guys here that would state the contrary |
| 05:09.27 | asj | RST38h: have you ever developped for symbian, really is this your posix argument? really? |
| 05:09.27 | ljp | know |
| 05:09.47 | RST38h | Yes, I have developed for Symbian. And for Maemo too. |
| 05:09.55 | N900bastard | current fremantle folks is 3 guys pretnding nokia cares about mameo....every other fucker ha now moved on to meego |
| 05:10.01 | RST38h | ljp: And while we are at this topic, have you ever developed for something? |
| 05:10.25 | RST38h | N900bastard: Meego or Harmattan? |
| 05:10.32 | Arkenoi | suffered 3 times as Nokia changed OS in my handhelds without *ANY* compatibility already (geos->s80->s60->maemo) and at least once compatibility was quite limited (s80v1 to s80v2) |
| 05:10.55 | ljp | RST38h: no, I just been sitting on my butt for the last 10 years picking my nose |
| 05:11.06 | N900bastard | point is: the focus for nokia is meego....not maemo that they lied to us about |
| 05:11.08 | RST38h | ljp: I see. |
| 05:11.19 | Arkenoi | so i did not really expect anything really different from i previous experience |
| 05:11.25 | RST38h | Well, they have not really lied |
| 05:11.27 | Arkenoi | from my even |
| 05:11.50 | RST38h | They are just changing their plans so often that it is impossible to expect support from them |
| 05:12.39 | asj | RST38h: lol, sorry, but that's too funny I just can't get over it. Next thing you'll say is you like Symbian C++ and think everyone should use a cleanup stack. :) |
| 05:12.40 | N900bastard | i say to every developer: fuck meego and abandon this sinking ship....enough of nokia bullshit |
| 05:13.19 | frals | great to have you in this channel N900bastard |
| 05:13.21 | RST38h | does not necessarily likes Symbian but he has programed for it. And not having POSIX there would have made his job way more difficult. |
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| 05:13.40 | ljp | N900bastard: you only think its sinking cause you are looking into a morror |
| 05:13.42 | ljp | mirror |
| 05:13.57 | ljp | and seeing oppositeland |
| 05:14.14 | RST38h | the other bank, you mean? |
| 05:14.21 | N900bastard | community support my ass suckers - keep believing nokia bullshit |
| 05:14.29 | RST38h | are we talking about Styx, btw? =) |
| 05:14.30 | asj | N900bastard: bye :) |
| 05:14.50 | N900bastard | asj: truth hurts dont it? |
| 05:14.56 | Surfa | boohoo |
| 05:15.15 | ljp | there's 3 truths. yours, mine and the truth |
| 05:15.23 | Surfa | truth my ass :) |
| 05:15.48 | N900bastard | many long time maemo members abandoning this circus |
| 05:16.03 | timeless_mbp | N900bastard: if you're planning to be a troll, could you please try to spell the name of your target correctly? |
| 05:16.06 | ljp | and many more longimt Qt members have joined |
| 05:16.09 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure where mameo is |
| 05:16.10 | RST38h | many will probably get back once the next device is released |
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| 05:16.17 | asj | N900bastard: why are you here? |
| 05:16.30 | RST38h | which does not explain why each device has to be abandoned 6 months before the next one is released |
| 05:16.39 | N900bastard | asj: it's a free society aint it? |
| 05:17.02 | timeless_mbp | N900bastard: no |
| 05:17.09 | timeless_mbp | this is a community channel |
| 05:17.10 | ljp | hmm. .lets see now.. developers working + recent update = abandonded. ok. go tit |
| 05:17.12 | timeless_mbp | not a free society |
| 05:17.19 | timeless_mbp | you're free to rant somewhere else |
| 05:17.25 | timeless_mbp | some of us would like to sleep in peace |
| 05:17.39 | Arkenoi | RST38h, it is easily explained: senior management are "phone" people. and typical "top handset" lifespan is half an year or less |
| 05:17.45 | timeless_mbp | now please, either explain what happened to you in 1.2, or go away |
| 05:17.50 | RST38h | ljp: update that breaks things rather than fixing them, is not a good thing |
| 05:17.57 | N900bastard | i wont reveal my true identity but you should think before calling people trolls. i was doing this long time ago when you were still running in diapers mate. |
| 05:17.57 | Arkenoi | and they simply do not understand the difference |
| 05:18.09 | timeless_mbp | personally while i'm disappointed that 1.2 was incredibly delayed, i did find its additional features useful |
| 05:18.19 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Don't they see other companies operation though? |
| 05:18.22 | timeless_mbp | i do use the Calendar integration in Modest |
| 05:18.26 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Apple? Google? |
| 05:18.43 | RST38h | 1.2 has broken Phone application. |
| 05:18.51 | ljp | works for me |
| 05:18.57 | ljp | i call my wife all the time |
| 05:18.58 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: broken how? |
| 05:19.01 | Arkenoi | RST38h, nope, i just think they work for nokia for a long time and they just act as always and do not care until get fucked (and do not care even then) |
| 05:19.02 | RST38h | A moment. |
| 05:19.24 | N900bastard | 1.2 has lots broken....not just phone app |
| 05:19.38 | timeless_mbp | N900bastard: please explain what's broken |
| 05:19.45 | asj | N900bastard: why hide behind a mask? |
| 05:19.52 | timeless_mbp | and if you can't point to bugs in bugs.maemo.org, then, please file them |
| 05:19.59 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: management will do until it is replaced |
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| 05:20.08 | timeless_mbp | which is unfortunate, but that's how management works |
| 05:20.43 | N900bastard | and yet because the fucking battery lasts 3 minutes longer after 1.2 the fan boys declare it huge success and get a hard on in their pants |
| 05:21.21 | Surfa | N900bastard, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 05:21.21 | N900bastard | truth |
| 05:21.24 | joga | I'm content with my n900 and don't really care if nokia doesn't support it |
| 05:21.28 | Surfa | by trolling here? :) |
| 05:21.31 | ljp | N900bastard: i think youve mistaken n900 with an iPad |
| 05:21.39 | N900bastard | Surfa: truth |
| 05:21.46 | RST38h | timeless: Set your Phone app to the portrait mode. Put the phone down, locking it. Let someone call it. Watch the screen going through convulsions for 2-5 seconds before you can answer the call. |
| 05:21.52 | Surfa | N900bastard, and how this all whining is giving you the truth? |
| 05:22.07 | joga | there are many shortcomings with the phone app though, compared to features of most previous nokia phones |
| 05:22.08 | Appiah | RST38h: is that in PR1.2 ? |
| 05:22.12 | N900bastard | no but... |
| 05:22.16 | joga | not that I really need any of those myself, though |
| 05:22.18 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Do we already have a bug filed for this thing? |
| 05:22.21 | RST38h | Appiah: Yes. |
| 05:22.26 | Appiah | RST38h: crap... |
| 05:22.36 | N900bastard | meego is doomed |
| 05:22.36 | Surfa | N900bastard, ok so again, what are you trying to achieve with this all? :) |
| 05:22.54 | microlith | N900bastard: shouldn't you be trolling on tmo? |
| 05:23.02 | N900bastard | i want to enlighten people |
| 05:23.12 | Appiah | oh |
| 05:23.14 | digitalsurgeon | guys go watch That 70s Show, that would cool you down |
| 05:23.17 | joga | enlighten about what? |
| 05:23.35 | Appiah | I almost forgot about N900bastard |
| 05:23.41 | N900bastard | microlith: trust me mate i know more about maemo than you can ever hope to learn |
| 05:23.42 | RST38h | N900bastard: Are you sure we need enlightening here? |
| 05:23.43 | Appiah | comes in with different nicks starting with n900 |
| 05:23.49 | Surfa | N900bastard, there's nothing you have said that people haven't already heard and most of your enlightment is just your subjective view |
| 05:23.50 | Appiah | and starts ranting about the support for meego |
| 05:23.57 | joga | you'll probably find that on this channel, most know what they've bought |
| 05:24.00 | microlith | N900bastard: Surely you do, because you said so on IRC ;) |
| 05:24.26 | asj | that call went well...I dunno |
| 05:24.30 | Surfa | N900bastard, best way to enlighten people is to file bugs for the problems so they can be fixed |
| 05:24.42 | Arkenoi | RST38h, yep, there was one |
| 05:24.49 | N900bastard | file bugs??? how fucking naive |
| 05:25.00 | Surfa | N900bastard, have you done that? |
| 05:25.08 | microlith | of course not |
| 05:25.08 | Surfa | N900bastard, if not then you really can't say anything about it |
| 05:25.09 | RST38h | Arkenoi: care to find bugid? I am looking through my mailbox but cannot find it |
| 05:25.11 | ljp | he doesnt get paid for filling bugs |
| 05:25.17 | Appiah | ye.. beacuse bugs never gets fixed... right? (me looking at the fix list for PR1.2) |
| 05:25.25 | N900bastard | 100000 fucking times i filed a bug |
| 05:25.35 | Appiah | under what name if I might ask N900bastard ? |
| 05:25.37 | joga | are you sure about that number |
| 05:25.45 | microlith | wow, 100000, that's a lot of hyperbole |
| 05:25.53 | Surfa | nice contribution |
| 05:25.59 | RST38h | maybe he was filing the same bug |
| 05:26.06 | Arkenoi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 |
| 05:26.07 | Surfa | it takes awhile to go throught that list of bugs and fix them |
| 05:26.07 | RST38h | or filing it outside of bmo |
| 05:26.07 | povbot | Bug 10613: screen glitches on incoming call |
| 05:26.10 | N900bastard | i wont tell my identity here - you wouldnt believe me anyways |
| 05:26.16 | RST38h | Arkenoi: thanks, voting for it |
| 05:26.23 | joga | N900bastard: or care |
| 05:26.31 | ljp | he ment 100000 in binary |
| 05:26.33 | microlith | N900bastard: I'd probably be disappointed in your attitude towards people here |
| 05:26.34 | Appiah | dont care |
| 05:26.39 | Appiah | just wanna see how you file your reports |
| 05:26.49 | joga | Appiah: think they really filed any? |
| 05:26.50 | N900bastard | joga: right, not with your nokia blinders on |
| 05:26.58 | joga | N900bastard: I don't have such. I'm no fan of nokia |
| 05:27.30 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i seem to recall you complaining about this |
| 05:27.30 | joga | I happen to own this phone because of its technical merits alone and because of its usability for *me* |
| 05:27.31 | Surfa | N900bastard, it's sound you're more like insulting us than giving feedback about n900 |
| 05:27.34 | timeless_mbp | i don't seem to recall suffering from it |
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| 05:27.47 | timeless_mbp | in fact we tried to reproduce it at dinner a week or two or three ago |
| 05:27.47 | N900bastard | you all are so fucking naive but i dont give a shit no more |
| 05:27.49 | RST38h | good for you |
| 05:27.52 | asj | N900bastard: send us a link, show us a bug report you filed, really let's see one |
| 05:27.59 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: did you file a bug? |
| 05:28.00 | Appiah | N900bastard: thats what you say everytime you're here ranting |
| 05:28.02 | Appiah | yet you come back? |
| 05:28.04 | joga | N900bastard: you sound so immature you shouldn't really bother your head with our things anyway |
| 05:28.21 | RST38h | timeless: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 |
| 05:28.22 | povbot | Bug 10613: screen glitches on incoming call |
| 05:28.29 | N900bastard | asj: you think i'm stupid??? |
| 05:28.30 | Appiah | With all the time you put in here complaining maybe you could have filed proper bug reports ? |
| 05:28.42 | RST38h | timeless: Notice that the screenshot is included with the bug report, to prevent you from claiming that "you could not reproduce it" |
| 05:29.07 | Surfa | RST38h, it's pretty damn difficult to debug if you can't produce it :) |
| 05:29.18 | N900bastard | Appiah: go ahead, file the fucking bug reports while nokia is laughing |
| 05:29.27 | microlith | N900bastard: why not just gtfo? |
| 05:29.28 | microlith | please |
| 05:29.33 | microlith | you've got nothing useful to say |
| 05:29.51 | Appiah | N900bastard: but I was talking about you? |
| 05:29.52 | RST38h | Surfa: It is reproducible 100% of time |
| 05:30.02 | N900bastard | microlith: oh but you are so useful yourselv right? |
| 05:30.10 | Appiah | sigh |
| 05:30.12 | Appiah | this troll |
| 05:30.20 | microlith | N900bastard: I may not be 100% useful but at least I'm not being rude |
| 05:30.38 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: so... |
| 05:30.53 | timeless_mbp | i think your steps which you provided over irc didn't specify 'start at the home screen' |
| 05:30.55 | asj | N900bastard: so wait, you complain but won't put your money where your mouth is...? How is showing public bugs to the public being stupid? |
| 05:30.59 | timeless_mbp | not certain |
| 05:31.13 | microlith | asj: because he's a troll and likely a liar |
| 05:31.22 | N900bastard | i was once very high up the maemo channel within nokia....trust me....just fucking trust me people |
| 05:31.29 | microlith | why should we? |
| 05:31.32 | Appiah | we dont care |
| 05:31.34 | RST38h | Surfa: Similar effect occurs in other applications as they change orientation, so I guess it is somehow related to the way Nokia does those rotations since PR1.2 |
| 05:31.34 | microlith | you've given us no reason whatsoever |
| 05:31.36 | ljp | cant be a trol. i doubt he ever worked for trolltech |
| 05:31.48 | timeless_mbp | your description of the problem doesn't at all match the picture |
| 05:31.51 | Macer | rescue me is making me tear up since i am dying laughing |
| 05:32.00 | Macer | omg |
| 05:32.04 | timeless_mbp | i thought you were complaining that it jumped back and forth between portrait and landscape |
| 05:32.06 | Appiah | I dont see what that has to do with anything really , so what that you worked higher up? |
| 05:32.11 | RST38h | Surfa: In other places it is simply uncomfortable, in the phone app it makes you miss calls |
| 05:32.14 | N900bastard | i could give you inside info here you've never heard before but i cant |
| 05:32.16 | stskeepsie | N900bastard: so, what's the URL for the internal repositories, only accessible within nokia? |
| 05:32.29 | microlith | N900bastard: until you present proof you're just a troll, so hush |
| 05:32.30 | timeless_mbp | N900bastard: you could, but you can't? |
| 05:32.30 | RST38h | timeless: the picture shows the n900 screen at the moment of transition |
| 05:32.33 | timeless_mbp | sure sounds like you can't |
| 05:32.37 | stskeepsie | that's a pretty easy way to verify |
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| 05:32.41 | Macer | it is the funniest damn show i have seen in a while |
| 05:32.43 | ljp | N900bastard: ahh, that explains it. disgruntled ex nokia employee |
| 05:32.48 | N900bastard | stskeepsie: you surely are joking??? LOL LOL LOL |
| 05:33.42 | asj | ljp: be nice to the janitorial staff ;) |
| 05:33.42 | stskeepsie | N900bastard: nop, i'm not joking :) it's a simple question |
| 05:33.42 | RST38h | timeless: it is a very good picture too, the photographer had a second or two to make it |
| 05:33.43 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: yeah, that photo is pretty cool |
| 05:33.48 | timeless_mbp | we never have any luck using cameras to take photos of the n900 |
| 05:33.54 | timeless_mbp | even when its screen isn't moving |
| 05:33.55 | RST38h | At this positive note, I will excuse myself and go to work |
| 05:34.30 | RST38h | meanwhile, you can contact GAN900 and tell him this problem does not exist |
| 05:34.38 | RST38h | He will be absolutely delighted to know that |
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| 05:35.13 | Venemo | good morning |
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| 05:36.00 | asj | Venemo: GOOD MORNING!!!!!! |
| 05:36.08 | timeless_mbp | oooh, SFO is getting free wifi |
| 05:37.39 | asj | with so much 3g service is it really that important? |
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| 05:38.02 | timeless_mbp | asj: as a european who gets killed on roaming 3g charges/ |
| 05:38.04 | timeless_mbp | yes. |
| 05:38.19 | stskeepsie | oh that was so the wrong irssi to quit |
| 05:38.24 | asj | timeless_mbp: 3g pay as you go US sim? tmo+sidekick plan? |
| 05:38.26 | timeless_mbp | and i mean the airport |
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| 05:38.44 | timeless_mbp | asj: sorry, i like being able to receive calls while i travel |
| 05:38.49 | timeless_mbp | it's part of having a mobile phone... |
| 05:38.50 | asj | timeless_mbp: picky picky |
| 05:38.59 | timeless_mbp | i know, it sounds stupid |
| 05:39.11 | asj | timeless_mbp: sip :) but who uses a phone for voice anymore? |
| 05:39.11 | timeless_mbp | why would a mobile phone owner want to be able to receive phone calls... |
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| 05:39.21 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Or text messages |
| 05:39.37 | Jaffa | Roaming charges really limits how useful my N900 is when travelling. |
| 05:39.37 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: well, i could just stick to a british land line |
| 05:39.43 | timeless_mbp | i hear those support text messages |
| 05:39.46 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: PPfft, I wouldn't. |
| 05:39.52 | timeless_mbp | but i don't think i can take one of those with me either... |
| 05:39.57 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Indeed they do. Not sure anyone uses that feature regularly. |
| 05:40.14 | Jaffa | should get ready for work. |
| 05:40.15 | timeless_mbp | does the uk have mobile homes? :) |
| 05:40.16 | asj | txt over sip is missing from most providers, I wonder why |
| 05:40.41 | timeless_mbp | sms interconnect historically sucked |
| 05:40.52 | timeless_mbp | mms interconnect was (is?) much worse |
| 05:41.18 | ljp | hmm.. dang it. looks like I have to get back to working |
| 05:41.24 | timeless_mbp | aww |
| 05:41.28 | Jaffa | remembers the days of intra-network only SMSes, and sharing cross-network centre numbers. |
| 05:42.16 | asj | heh, international mms is well...heh that's why I have an n900, mms doesn't matter ;) |
| 05:42.18 | timeless_mbp | remembers them too |
| 05:42.36 | timeless_mbp | didn't bother using SMS but does remember the lack of utility |
| 05:45.48 | ljp | remembers when sms's were morse code |
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| 05:55.31 | wazd | meego community firmware should definitely be called "WeeGo" :) |
| 05:56.17 | wazd | hello everyone btw :) |
| 05:56.22 | Stskeeps | or GoMer |
| 05:56.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:56.51 | microlith | I'll vote for GoMer |
| 05:57.19 | wazd | Stskeeps: :D |
| 05:57.23 | wazd | Stskeeps: nice :) |
| 05:57.26 | timeless_mbp | NeeGo |
| 05:57.34 | timeless_mbp | we are the knights of Nee |
| 05:57.37 | timeless_mbp | Nee Go |
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| 05:57.48 | Venemo | by the way, what happened to Mer? |
| 05:57.57 | Stskeeps | go read mer-project.blogspot.com |
| 05:59.19 | Venemo | Stskeeps, I already read this blog :) |
| 05:59.34 | tybollt | Jaffa: I agree about the limited usefullness due to roaming charges |
| 05:59.51 | tybollt | Jaffa: Lucky me my N900 broke just in time for my vacation |
| 05:59.52 | Venemo | Stskeeps: the last entry mentioning Mer said "Mer as a system will live on in Mer^2" |
| 06:00.01 | tybollt | so I was never faced w/ that problem |
| 06:00.06 | Venemo | Stskeeps: and since then, I haven't heard of it |
| 06:00.55 | Stskeeps | Venemo: yeah.. and plans changed around a bit after we got meego running on n8x0 |
| 06:02.44 | Venemo | Stskeeps: so, the new plan is porting MeeGo instead of Harmattan? |
| 06:02.54 | Stskeeps | Venemo: Mer^2 was for N8x0 |
| 06:03.06 | Venemo | Stskeeps: yes, I know |
| 06:03.22 | Venemo | sorry, I meant "porting MeeGo instead of Fremantle" ? |
| 06:03.39 | Stskeeps | Harmattan on N8x0 is just insane, MeeGo, less so :P |
| 06:03.58 | Venemo | Stskeeps: :) |
| 06:04.31 | Venemo | Stskeeps: so, this is the regular "MeeGo" and not "MeeGo-Harmattan", correct? |
| 06:04.45 | Stskeeps | right |
| 06:05.43 | Venemo | Stskeeps: okay |
| 06:06.18 | Venemo | Stskeeps: thanks for the info |
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| 06:08.58 | plastun | hello! how to set style for TouchSelector items like in Phone? large text for the first line and small text for the second line? |
| 06:11.09 | Venemo | plastun: what do you mean by a TouchSelector? |
| 06:11.38 | plastun | I mean scrollable widget with n-columns and m rows |
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| 06:12.11 | Venemo | plastun: Qt or Gtk? |
| 06:12.49 | plastun | PyGtk |
| 06:13.09 | Venemo | plastun: well, then, I haven't a clue |
| 06:13.15 | Venemo | plastun: I mostly develop in Qt |
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| 06:17.30 | Venemo | plastun: perhaps try #maemo-devel |
| 06:17.43 | plastun | ok |
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| 06:23.41 | mece | good morning |
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| 06:23.53 | sandst1 | morning |
| 06:24.36 | shorter | hey, I've a 5.1 surround from logitech |
| 06:24.49 | shorter | but it only has those three input for surround cards |
| 06:25.05 | shorter | how do I plug in a stereo (like from an ipod) and have it sound full/good? |
| 06:25.12 | shorter | oh shit |
| 06:25.14 | shorter | wrong channel |
| 06:25.17 | shorter | lolz |
| 06:25.48 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.00 | shorter | I'm going to blame it on pidgin's cntl+tab functionality |
| 06:26.15 | shorter | me corsac? |
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| 06:28.06 | mece | shorter, thanks, I didn't know about ctrl-tab. Great and useful feature :) |
| 06:28.13 | shorter | lol |
| 06:28.15 | shorter | ouch |
| 06:28.19 | shorter | try it in a browser |
| 06:28.30 | shorter | dont forget cntl+shift+tab |
| 06:28.32 | shorter | to go in reverse |
| 06:28.44 | mece | nod I figured that one out already :) |
| 06:29.16 | shorter | sub cntl for alt for most WM (in linux) features |
| 06:29.30 | mece | ~seen x-fade |
| 06:29.32 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 21h 29m 55s) #meego (3d 21h 29m 55s), last said: 'Saviq: Only 1.10 as max.'. |
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| 06:30.31 | mece | howcome AIR feels more like lead? |
| 06:30.39 | tybollt | AIR? |
| 06:30.42 | mece | adobe |
| 06:31.02 | tybollt | is that on N900 now? |
| 06:31.09 | mece | no |
| 06:31.13 | tybollt | ah for PC |
| 06:31.15 | tybollt | yeah sure |
| 06:31.15 | mece | yes |
| 06:31.17 | tybollt | I argee |
| 06:31.29 | mece | it's like the name is sarcasm. |
| 06:31.35 | tybollt | my media centre at home does HD playback fine |
| 06:31.59 | tybollt | w/ AIR I can't even do SD playback w/out lots of choppy chops |
| 06:32.21 | tybollt | so yeah I agree - ironic name indeed |
| 06:32.39 | mece | haha.. I never did any video playback with air, but all air apps I've used are incredibly slow and memory hungry |
| 06:33.01 | tybollt | ugh yeah I bet |
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| 06:36.34 | mece | hmpf, I promoted a new version of qlister yesteday (that supports right-to-left languages) and the main package page hasn't been updated, so there's not proper link to the voting page. |
| 06:36.43 | Venemo | I'd like to start my application on startup |
| 06:36.52 | Venemo | could someone tell me what is wrong with this script? |
| 06:36.56 | Venemo | start on started hildon-desktop |
| 06:36.56 | Venemo | script |
| 06:36.56 | Venemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.56 | Venemo | end script |
| 06:37.01 | Venemo | it doesn't start |
| 06:37.10 | mece | the ./ |
| 06:37.11 | Appiah | what language is that? |
| 06:37.12 | mece | ? |
| 06:37.26 | Stskeeps | upstart |
| 06:37.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:37.42 | Venemo | the ./ is usually needed to start my app |
| 06:37.46 | Appiah | ./usr/local/bin/EVE-Watcher without-ui |
| 06:38.00 | mece | Venemo, but that only refers to "current dir" if you specify the path you don't need that |
| 06:38.08 | Venemo | mece, okay |
| 06:38.21 | Venemo | okay, will try |
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| 06:38.53 | mece | hmm should still work with ./ there though. |
| 06:39.17 | mece | oh wait |
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| 06:39.51 | mece | Appiah, should there really be a . in front there? I'd say /usr/local/bin/EVE-Watcher without-ui |
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| 06:40.27 | Venemo | mece: still not working |
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| 06:42.07 | Appiah | mece: no idea on what Venemo is doing |
| 06:42.21 | Appiah | i dont understand the "script , end script" |
| 06:42.25 | Appiah | never used that |
| 06:43.03 | frals_ | wont it need run-standalone.sh? |
| 06:43.06 | Venemo | Appiah: every script in /etc/event.d/ looks like this |
| 06:43.17 | Appiah | yes but I never used it Venemo |
| 06:43.26 | Appiah | never touched it |
| 06:43.28 | frals_ | ie run-standalone.sh /usr/local/bin/EVE-Watcher without-ui |
| 06:44.12 | Venemo | frals_: trying now |
| 06:44.34 | mece | frals_, does the latest fmms need testing? I can confirm it works :) |
| 06:45.32 | Venemo | frals_: not working, either |
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| 06:47.11 | Stskeeps | morning andre__ |
| 06:47.22 | andre__ | morning Stskeeps |
| 06:47.40 | Stskeeps | had a good weekend? |
| 06:48.22 | timeless_mbp | andre__: can you change bugs.maemo.org's default quoting behavior? |
| 06:48.24 | timeless_mbp | iirc it's a param |
| 06:48.34 | frals_ | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ lists latest version in testing as 1.1.8 while http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fmms/1.1.9/ seems to be in testing :) |
| 06:48.35 | timeless_mbp | bugzilla for insane reasons defaults to full comment quote |
| 06:48.44 | timeless_mbp | (broken out of the box) |
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| 06:49.11 | andre__ | Stskeeps: was okayish... didn't do much. plus studying :-/ |
| 06:49.42 | frals_ | mece: always need votes ;-) |
| 06:49.53 | frals_ | Venemo: then i have no clue, sorry :p |
| 06:49.54 | Stskeeps | andre__: i pretty much didn't do much after returning home saturday, i'm always a bit comatose after trips :P |
| 06:50.03 | andre__ | haha |
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| 06:50.43 | mece | Venemo,try this: http://pastebin.com/K1rSpky9 |
| 06:51.23 | mece | or something. |
| 06:51.49 | Venemo | mece: will do |
| 06:52.47 | mece | Meego release plans. If anyone's interested http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 (not the right channel, I know) |
| 06:52.58 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, I don't think there is any option for that. |
| 06:53.35 | mece | frals_, I have that exact problem with qlister. |
| 06:53.53 | mece | frals_, the testing link |
| 06:54.50 | timeless_mbp | andre__: hrm |
| 06:54.54 | mece | frals_, also, you could vote for your own app too :) |
| 06:55.15 | mece | Venemo, did it work? Or got caught in a reboot loop? |
| 06:55.16 | timeless_mbp | the version of bugzilla we have is so old |
| 06:55.56 | Venemo | mece: a minute |
| 06:56.43 | timeless_mbp | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.6/en/html/userpreferences.html there's definitely a user pref for it in newer |
| 06:56.57 | timeless_mbp | i had hoped there'd be a site default of "not stupid" |
| 06:57.05 | timeless_mbp | if there isn't, please post a patch ;-) |
| 07:00.48 | mece | hey, ansel-a is one vote from extras: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ansela/0.9-5/ |
| 07:01.53 | RST38h | back |
| 07:02.05 | timeless_mbp | what is it? |
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| 07:04.36 | mece | timeless_mbp, what is Ansel-A? It's a "Digital Darkroom" and it's a very cool app. |
| 07:04.50 | timeless_mbp | "Adding ansela" |
| 07:06.51 | mece | here's the announce thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55861 definately one of the best apps imo. |
| 07:07.25 | timeless_mbp | kinda slow? |
| 07:07.36 | timeless_mbp | "Loading Photos...5" |
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| 07:07.57 | mece | timeless_mbp, hmm yeah. But other than that it's really nice :) |
| 07:08.35 | timeless_mbp | it's *really* slow |
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| 07:08.46 | TriztFromWork | A silly question: but why has the hildon-thumbnail program be run each time you reboot n900? |
| 07:09.00 | Venemo | re |
| 07:09.06 | Venemo | sorry, my machine just froze |
| 07:09.06 | TriztFromWork | or open the gallery |
| 07:09.07 | mece | timeless_mbp, Took about 20 seconds for me |
| 07:09.10 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: it can't know what you've done to the system via usb |
| 07:09.11 | Appiah | Venemo: :) |
| 07:09.31 | Appiah | TriztFromWork: the indexer? |
| 07:09.31 | mece | timeless_mbp, I only have some 100 photos though. |
| 07:09.44 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; it feels like it remakes the thumbnails each time, takes like 2 weeks and the phone is so lagish |
| 07:10.28 | mece | TriztFromWork, how many photos do you have? |
| 07:10.32 | TriztFromWork | Appiah; no clue, it appears as hildon-thumbnail when I do a ps |
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| 07:10.59 | TriztFromWork | mece; like all I have taken since 2001 and forward, ~800 |
| 07:11.10 | mece | oo |
| 07:11.12 | mece | :) |
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| 07:12.12 | mece | TriztFromWork, eeh sorry I got confused about what we were talking about.. |
| 07:12.16 | TriztFromWork | so I would be happy if I could disable it, so it won't run automatically |
| 07:12.34 | TriztFromWork | mece; hildon-thumbnail |
| 07:12.40 | timeless_mbp | kicks ansela out of devel |
| 07:13.01 | Proteous | "go back to were you came from!!" |
| 07:13.10 | Proteous | were? |
| 07:13.18 | Proteous | s/were/where/ |
| 07:13.36 | Venemo | mece: it seems that your solution is not working |
| 07:13.46 | mece | Venemo, hm |
| 07:13.48 | timeless_mbp | Proteous: nah, stop hiding from all the people |
| 07:13.59 | timeless_mbp | tiny caves are no place for a good application to hide |
| 07:14.02 | Venemo | mece: however, I will give it one more try, just let me rebuild my app |
| 07:14.03 | Proteous | heh |
| 07:14.18 | mece | Venemo, can you run it directly from xterm like that? |
| 07:14.24 | Proteous | yeah, I hear you can get eaten by a grue |
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| 07:16.53 | mece | Venemo, as in if you go to exterm and type /usr/local/bin/EVE-Watcher without-ui |
| 07:17.24 | Venemo | mece: yes, but the app terminates when I close the terminal |
| 07:17.40 | mece | Venemo, yeah. still that script should work then. |
| 07:17.50 | mece | what is it called? |
| 07:18.00 | Venemo | the script? |
| 07:18.17 | Venemo | it is located in /etc/event.d/ and the filename is eve-watcher (without extension) |
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| 07:20.36 | Venemo | mece: any ideas? |
| 07:21.06 | mece | Venemo, try doing, as root, initctl list eve-watcher |
| 07:21.36 | Venemo | the output is: |
| 07:21.42 | Venemo | eve-watcher (stop) waiting |
| 07:21.50 | mece | ok, so the script runs, but the app exits |
| 07:22.03 | Venemo | it shouldn't exit |
| 07:22.21 | mece | what happens if you run it as root? |
| 07:22.27 | Venemo | also, it should display a message box when started (just to make sure that it runs) |
| 07:22.32 | Venemo | which does not appear |
| 07:22.56 | Venemo | the app should not run as root, btw |
| 07:23.02 | Venemo | or, at least, no reason to run it as root |
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| 07:25.11 | mece | Venemo, I guess it gives some errors if it crashes, so you could pipe the errors to a file.. |
| 07:26.18 | Venemo | mece: no, it shouldn't give any errors. at least, it doesn't give any if I simply launch it |
| 07:26.47 | Venemo | perhaps it shouldn't run when hildon-desktop is started, but when hildon-home is started? |
| 07:26.49 | mece | Venemo, but obviously it doesn't work from event.d so maybe it gives errors |
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| 07:27.43 | Venemo | mece: hm |
| 07:27.58 | Venemo | mece: is it possible to launch it when hildon-home is running? |
| 07:28.49 | mece | Venemo, well, try putting 2> /tmp/eve-watcher-errors.log to the end of the command in the event.d file |
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| 07:30.02 | mece | and see what it says. |
| 07:30.33 | Venemo | mece, okay |
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| 07:33.16 | Venemo | mece: still nothing |
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| 07:33.27 | Venemo | and there is no such file in /tmp, either |
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| 07:34.34 | mece | Venemo, but ok. Does the app work if you start it as root? |
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| 07:35.28 | plastun | how to add markupped text to HildonTouchSelector? |
| 07:35.32 | Venemo | mece: I dunno, wait a moment |
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| 07:37.24 | mece | plastun, I'm not sure you can. |
| 07:37.45 | plastun | I can, but it works incorrectry |
| 07:37.50 | mece | plastun, oh. |
| 07:37.58 | plastun | cell_renderer.set_property('markup', 1) |
| 07:38.00 | mece | plastun, what's the problem then? |
| 07:38.16 | plastun | do not set property 'markup', it add text '1' ot touch selector |
| 07:38.17 | mece | plastun, right cell_renderer.. yeah. |
| 07:38.28 | Venemo | mece: yes, it seems that it runs as root if I launch it from xterm |
| 07:38.54 | mece | plastun, 1 is not a markup. |
| 07:39.21 | Venemo | mece: initctl now says, "No jobs matching 'eve-watcher'" |
| 07:39.47 | plastun | mece, yes, but I set cellrenderertext to column, not for each item. right? |
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| 07:47.43 | furunk3l | yes hello |
| 07:49.37 | timeless_mbp | andre__: comment 30 was funny |
| 07:49.41 | timeless_mbp | > I could verify this bug if somebody will give detailed explanations how to open |
| 07:49.42 | timeless_mbp | > http://tinyarro.ws/ |
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| 07:51.06 | mece | plastun, markup property sets the markup'ed text to render, so in that case you have to render each element afaict. |
| 07:51.29 | plastun | dazed |
| 07:51.33 | Venemo | mece: any ideas? |
| 07:52.13 | plastun | it there any other methods to set cellrenderer property and add only elements, with no selecting cellrenderer? |
| 07:52.15 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, doesn't it say much about testing skills? |
| 07:52.19 | andre__ | sighs |
| 07:52.33 | timeless_mbp | i'm surprised you didn't offer detailed instructions as comment 31 |
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| 07:52.50 | mece | plastun, 'markup' is the same as 'text' but with markup parsed. like instead of cell_renderer.set_property('text', 'An item') you do cell_renderer.set_property('markup', '<b>An item</b>') or something like that. |
| 07:52.50 | frals_ | bug #? |
| 07:53.07 | timeless_mbp | frals: just search for 'tinyarro.ws' in bugzilla |
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| 07:53.41 | plastun | mece, I understand |
| 07:53.55 | timeless_mbp | andre__: but yeah, i think that one might be worth framing |
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| 07:54.34 | plastun | mece, can you show simple exaple how to add items with different cell renderers? |
| 07:54.57 | mece | plastun, I've never bothered.. lemme see if I can find something. |
| 07:55.33 | timeless_mbp | andre__: would it be reasonable to note in the public bug what the general fix is so that someone who wants to backport it could know |
| 07:55.41 | andre__ | feel free to |
| 07:58.27 | frals_ | (lol) |
| 07:59.42 | timeless_mbp | frals: as andre__ noted, our testers are impressive |
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| 08:02.11 | frals_ | hehe |
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| 08:03.14 | tybollt | frals |
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| 08:03.55 | mece | frals_, got flattr? |
| 08:04.01 | tybollt | frals_: Will you take offence to my calling your update frquency as flooding? >:D |
| 08:04.02 | frals_ | negative |
| 08:04.22 | frals_ | tybollt: ive pushed one update the last 2 weeks ;p |
| 08:04.28 | mece | frals_, want an invite? |
| 08:04.34 | tybollt | frals_: ? :P |
| 08:04.51 | frals_ | mece: no idea what it is, dont think i need it? but thanks! ;) |
| 08:04.59 | tybollt | then my device has cocked up :) |
| 08:05.10 | tybollt | it's asked me to install fmms updates many many times :) |
| 08:05.13 | mece | frals_, it's a micro donation service |
| 08:05.29 | mece | tybollt, you shouldn't have devel enabled... |
| 08:06.01 | mece | tybollt, :P |
| 08:06.14 | frals_ | tybollt: i released 1.1.8 like 2 weeks ago and 1.1.9 yesterday or the day before that ;) |
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| 08:06.59 | vldcnst | timeless_mpb: do you own tinyarro.ws? |
| 08:07.20 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 08:07.21 | timeless_mbp | why? |
| 08:07.31 | vldcnst | Just wondering. |
| 08:07.50 | mece | timeless_mbp, you linked to it.. |
| 08:07.51 | timeless_mbp | vldcnst: i work on the web browser |
| 08:08.08 | timeless_mbp | and we get screwed because the idiots who "own" fonts don't think having decent fonts is important |
| 08:08.24 | timeless_mbp | so i file bugs about various sites in an effort to get them to make the fonts suck less |
| 08:08.34 | mece | :) |
| 08:08.44 | timeless_mbp | tinyarro.ws happens to be a convenient site |
| 08:08.49 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: do you know of a WM called ION? |
| 08:08.54 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 08:08.59 | timeless_mbp | a colleague uses it |
| 08:09.00 | tybollt | Do you know Tuomo? |
| 08:09.23 | tybollt | (dude who write ION and who is quite the rabid font ranter :) |
| 08:09.30 | timeless_mbp | do i want to know why google suggest for 'tuomo' is 'tuomo ruutu girlfriend' |
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| 08:09.44 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: :D |
| 08:09.51 | frals_ | lol |
| 08:10.19 | tybollt | Ion (window manager) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - [ Översätt den här sidan ] |
| 08:10.22 | tybollt | It is the successor of PWM and is written by the same author, Tuomo Valkonen. Since the first release of Ion in the summer 2000, similar alternative window ... |
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| 08:10.47 | timeless_mbp | yeah, clearly, not the right tuomo |
| 08:12.06 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 08:12.24 | Venemo | could anyone please tell me how to run my app on system start on Maemo? |
| 08:12.39 | Venemo | no matter which tip I tried in event.d, it is not working :( |
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| 08:18.25 | toggles_w | Venemo: you can put it in /etc/rc.local |
| 08:19.03 | Venemo | hm |
| 08:19.17 | Venemo | it seems that I managed to get it to work |
| 08:19.39 | Venemo | although it runs as root, and not as user |
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| 08:21.43 | Venemo | toggles_w: this is working: |
| 08:21.52 | Venemo | description "starts EVE-Watcher" |
| 08:21.52 | Venemo | start on started hildon-desktop |
| 08:21.52 | Venemo | exec run-standalone.sh /usr/local/bin/EVE-Watcher |
| 08:22.12 | Venemo | toggles_w: however, I don't know how to pass an argument to the app |
| 08:22.24 | Venemo | toggles_w: nor do I know how to start it as user "user" |
| 08:22.54 | mece | Venemo: exec su - user -c "exec run-standalone.sh /usr/local/bin/EVE-Watcher without-ui" |
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| 08:26.14 | Venemo | mece, thank you! |
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| 08:28.10 | mece | Venemo, did it work? |
| 08:28.38 | Venemo | mece, yes it did |
| 08:29.02 | Venemo | mece: you just saved my day! :) |
| 08:29.08 | Venemo | mece: thank you very much! |
| 08:30.26 | mece | Venemo, np |
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| 08:33.14 | mece | Qlister 0.2-7 needs some votes btw, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ so test it if you have time. |
| 08:33.33 | mece | If you have apps that need testing I can be of service btw. |
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| 08:36.41 | lcuk | mornin maemo \o |
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| 08:37.41 | frals_ | mornin lcuk |
| 08:37.43 | frals_ | hows you? |
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| 08:39.14 | lcuk | morning frals - im good thanks :) coffee with zero sugars and still alive! |
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| 08:39.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:39.42 | lcuk | morning Jaffa \o |
| 08:39.46 | lcuk | which country are you in today |
| 08:40.32 | lcuk | puts 10p in the maemo planet - it does appear to have stalled |
| 08:40.44 | lcuk | barisione, did you mention last night you submitted something that should be on planet? |
| 08:41.14 | SpeedEvil | installs qlister. |
| 08:41.46 | barisione | yes |
| 08:41.55 | barisione | lcuk: the planet didn't update since the 18 it seems |
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| 08:43.31 | th3hate | can anyone answer my question about power kernel? |
| 08:44.43 | lcuk | X-Fade, morning \o do you know anything about planet being stuck? |
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| 08:45.19 | mece | SpeedEvil, hope it works :) |
| 08:45.42 | X-Fade | lcuk: Looking at that. The cron job runs as it should though. |
| 08:46.16 | mece | X-Fade, hello, there seem to be some issue with replacing a package in texting. Do you have time to check it out? |
| 08:47.28 | X-Fade | mece: Can be the same issue as the planet one, let me check that out first. |
| 08:47.50 | mece | X-Fade, ok, thanks. |
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| 08:48.28 | lcuk | slides a coffee over to X-Fade |
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| 08:50.07 | Myrtti | hello all you beautiful people |
| 08:50.34 | Jaffa | lcuk: UK this week |
| 08:51.03 | lcuk | :D dont sound so downhearted jaffa :p :D |
| 08:51.10 | lcuk | Myrtti, good morning x |
| 08:51.13 | Jaffa | lcuk: Not been a fun morning |
| 08:51.19 | lcuk | :( |
| 08:51.50 | mece | Hello Myrtti and Jaffa |
| 08:52.26 | mece | any particular reason why less is not promoted to extras? |
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| 08:56.42 | Jaffa | mece: 1) Because the developer hasn't promoted it to Extras-testing; 2) because it's not got an icon (including the standard CLI one); 3) it doesn't specifically state that this is for use on the command line only. However, it is optified :-) |
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| 08:58.19 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 08:58.22 | Jaffa | GAN900: ping |
| 08:58.33 | lcuk | ok, for things like this jaffa, do you think if one of the testing squad could actually make those tiny tweaks and send him a patch |
| 08:58.48 | lcuk | to help him out |
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| 08:59.20 | marcus | Kinda offtopic, but does anybody know where the binary file of OpenOffice Word is located on Arch Linux? |
| 08:59.22 | lcuk | it may push projects such as that forward - ie he might not add the icone because he doesnt know how |
| 08:59.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: *Anyone* could send him a patch |
| 08:59.32 | lcuk | yes i know |
| 08:59.35 | joga | marcus: *really* off-topic |
| 08:59.41 | Jaffa | lcuk: Doesn't have to be the Testing Squad. Could be any interested user (*cough* mece) |
| 08:59.49 | joga | marcus: but guessing: /usr/bin/oowriter |
| 09:00.00 | mece | Jaffa, :) all true. Where's that icon thing? |
| 09:00.05 | lcuk | Jaffa, yeah was thinking the testing squad because they are reviewing - but yes mece is also reviewing :D |
| 09:00.21 | joga | marcus: you can also find this out by yourself by typing in a terminal 'which oowriter' |
| 09:00.33 | Jaffa | mece: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Command_Line_applications |
| 09:00.43 | marcus | which: no oowriter in (/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/perlbin/site:/usr/bin/perlbin/vendor:/usr/bin/perlbin/core) |
| 09:00.43 | joga | (I think the binary for the "word" portion of ooo is called oowriter) |
| 09:00.46 | Jaffa | mece: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Command_line_applications more specifically |
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| 09:00.47 | marcus | So guess not. |
| 09:01.02 | joga | marcus: is it installed? usable? |
| 09:01.06 | marcus | Indeed. |
| 09:01.16 | joga | marcus: check the shortcut or something then to see what it launches |
| 09:01.17 | lcuk | jaffa - hmm |
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| 09:01.18 | Myrtti | marcus: doesn't archlinux have an irc channel of their own? |
| 09:01.32 | lcuk | perhaps that isnt highlighted in the testing guidelines .. |
| 09:01.34 | joga | lunchie time -> |
| 09:01.43 | marcus | I've got it open, I just want to tell Firefox that it should open .doc files with oowriter. |
| 09:02.02 | lcuk | rather than fail a package - if in a position to offer a simple patch and guidance.. |
| 09:02.06 | marcus | Myrtti: They do, but I requires some sort of registration, so I can only "listen". |
| 09:02.12 | timeless_mbp | ooh |
| 09:02.16 | timeless_mbp | firealarm testing this morning |
| 09:02.19 | Myrtti | marcus: the registration isn't rocket science |
| 09:02.26 | timeless_mbp | good thing i don't go in that early :) |
| 09:02.44 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, mind the firedoors! |
| 09:03.14 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: they changed the way some of the emergency door thingies work |
| 09:03.23 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to decide if the new ones are better |
| 09:03.36 | timeless_mbp | i suspect it takes an instruction manual to operate |
| 09:03.57 | lcuk | lol well when im there ill let someone else open them for me :D |
| 09:04.51 | mece | Jaffa, so adding the words "A cli " to the beginning of the first description line, making it A cli pager program similar to more and adding the icon would be enough? |
| 09:05.21 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: learning from experience? |
| 09:05.25 | timeless_mbp | that's not the nokia way |
| 09:05.36 | mece | it doesn't have a bugtracker. should I link to the official less bugtracker? |
| 09:05.37 | timeless_mbp | if at first you don't succeed, repeat until you do! |
| 09:05.58 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, !! i have to |
| 09:06.04 | lcuk | ive not got mnay fingers left |
| 09:06.25 | timeless_mbp | we didn't let you keep them? |
| 09:06.42 | timeless_mbp | i mean attached, detached, what's the difference? |
| 09:06.46 | lcuk | you did, but according to my typing they are now in the wrong order |
| 09:06.52 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:07.10 | alterego | One of my friends just suggested an app that detects lon preiods of time that the acceleromenter hasn't moved, causes an alarm and tells you to do some excercise :) |
| 09:07.21 | Jaffa | mece: Dunno about the bug tracker, mailto:<triager> would be sufficient. Of course, it's also dependent on the packager being willing to promote it |
| 09:07.26 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:07.38 | lcuk | alterego, lol |
| 09:07.56 | alterego | Not sure how bad polling the accel would cost though :) |
| 09:07.56 | Jaffa | alterego: I want an app which detects no movement between certain times of day; uses the light sensor and then sets my IM status to away. |
| 09:08.15 | alterego | Jaffa, not bad. I could do that :P |
| 09:08.33 | lcuk | alterego, what do you code in? gtk or qt? |
| 09:08.37 | alterego | I've got quite accoustomed to telepathy, auite liking it. |
| 09:08.52 | alterego | lcuk: qt now, but I used to do everything in gtk. |
| 09:09.36 | alterego | Were you one of the devs finding it hard to get to grips with Qt? or was that someone else? |
| 09:09.36 | lcuk | nods cool |
| 09:09.37 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes the export process for planet can get stalled. |
| 09:09.53 | lcuk | no im just wondering what limitations you find - since you are a crossover dev |
| 09:09.57 | SpeedEvil | Historically at least, the bzip occasionally gell over due to various problems. |
| 09:09.59 | lcuk | can youhappily create qt desktop widgets |
| 09:10.02 | X-Fade | Should be going now again, we found the issue. |
| 09:10.04 | SpeedEvil | err - never mind |
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| 09:10.09 | lcuk | \o/ X-Fade |
| 09:10.36 | alterego | lcuk: doesn't feel like there are as many widgets for Qt out-of-the-box. but they do promote custom widget creation. |
| 09:10.54 | ScriptFanix | timeless_mbp: reminds me of http://wintermute.legions.org/OUTSIDE/bofh/bofh17jul.html |
| 09:10.55 | lcuk | alterego, is the process simple/as simple as it could be |
| 09:11.09 | lcuk | and do you think theres any tricks missing to allowing qt widgets |
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| 09:11.16 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 09:11.40 | xDaReaperx | hmm wasn't there a bug when you use Break , the phone switches completly to portait mode ? is this fixed ? cause it dosent seem to work for me |
| 09:11.50 | alterego | lcuk: also, PySide (not sure about PyQt) seems really bad as it doesn't handle reference counting properly and commonly segfaults unless you explicitly keep references to all your widgets. Which isn't always the nicest thing in a flexible interpretted language. |
| 09:11.54 | MohammadAG51 | Braek |
| 09:11.59 | xDaReaperx | yeah Braek |
| 09:12.10 | MohammadAG51 | use rotatedaemon, it's more "reliable" |
| 09:12.20 | xDaReaperx | okay |
| 09:12.21 | lcuk | no alterego - would a wrapper class around the hildon widget be required? |
| 09:12.39 | alterego | lcuk: I find it just as simple as gtk tbh, in some cases it feels nicer. |
| 09:13.25 | Jaffa | alterego: It doesn't even need to poll the accelerometer continually; it can just take a few samples every few minutes and if they're very close; assume the device hasn't moved. |
| 09:13.33 | alterego | Semantically, they're pretty much identical though, they have their own meta object systems that implement dynamic properties and signals/slots. |
| 09:13.47 | lcuk | alterego, sure it does - but qt shouldnt have the ballache portions, if there was a hildon_widget class (or whatever naming convention was) that neatly wrapped up all the rough edges |
| 09:14.06 | alterego | Jaffa: sure, that would work, but then, it's not particulalry reliable. You might miss movement. |
| 09:14.26 | timeless_mbp | rotfl |
| 09:14.29 | lcuk | technically guys you dont even need to check accelerometer |
| 09:14.35 | timeless_mbp | ScriptFanix: thank you, i think that made my week |
| 09:14.38 | lcuk | just see if the screen is on |
| 09:14.45 | lcuk | /has been on |
| 09:14.54 | xDaReaperx | MohammadAG51: does it resize the screen ? cause in portait mode the media player's screen is half cut |
| 09:14.59 | alterego | lcuk: Actually, not having any hildon stuff seems better from my perspective, the less customisation required for an app to be mobile the better imo. |
| 09:15.09 | lcuk | alterego, yeah i know |
| 09:15.17 | lcuk | but ive seen the boiler plate in example widgets |
| 09:15.23 | lcuk | that each app has to drag in |
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| 09:15.34 | MohammadAG51 | xDaReaperx, obviously not, the media player is designed for landscape only |
| 09:15.35 | alterego | Yeah, not done any custom widgets yet. |
| 09:15.43 | xDaReaperx | Oh okay thanks |
| 09:15.44 | alterego | But I will be soon enough :) |
| 09:15.50 | alterego | Anyhow, shower time. |
| 09:15.52 | alterego | bbiab |
| 09:15.57 | lcuk | \o |
| 09:16.39 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: alterego: the accellerometer in hardware can be configured to interrupt if trip points are exceeded |
| 09:17.26 | alterego | SpeedEvil: awesome, I'll note that down, I was thinking something like inotify would help, but what you describe is much cooler, anyholw shower! bbiab :D |
| 09:17.48 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I don't think it's implemented in the kernel driver though |
| 09:18.05 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, docs said similar but did not elaborate could you add notes to the accelerometer page (or a subpage from it) |
| 09:18.14 | SpeedEvil | What would be the correct process to poke for the sourcecode of powertop. |
| 09:18.22 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Cool |
| 09:18.24 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I need to reread the datasheet |
| 09:18.36 | lcuk | cool :) if you manage it it would be good |
| 09:18.38 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: It also supports hardware 'tap' events, which are unused too. |
| 09:18.42 | Jaffa | lcuk: That doesn't work - if I'm on the train, I want to be contactable but may not be using the device. |
| 09:18.46 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Oooh |
| 09:18.51 | lcuk | because that also has things about sensitivity and also calibration |
| 09:18.53 | Jaffa | All manner of shiny |
| 09:19.17 | SpeedEvil | What would be the correct way to poke for the release of the sourcecode of 'powertop' - or to get it into extras-nonfree or somewhere? |
| 09:19.28 | mece | ok, I sent him a pm with a link to a patched control file. Would be nice if he does it. |
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| 09:19.39 | pexi | ahh, this htc desire feels like a real phone ;) |
| 09:19.43 | xDaReaperx | MohammadAG51 : hahaha i ran Firefox on N900 using rotatedaemo in portait mode , it turned my phone off xD |
| 09:19.52 | xDaReaperx | too buggy |
| 09:20.08 | xDaReaperx | after all its for testing |
| 09:20.46 | mece | SpeedEvil, is the source not available? |
| 09:21.05 | MohammadAG51 | xDaReaperx, that's cause firefox supports portrait mode |
| 09:21.16 | xDaReaperx | yeah i guess :D |
| 09:22.06 | SpeedEvil | mece: As I understnad it, no |
| 09:22.14 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 09:22.26 | SpeedEvil | Why is it possible to thumb up https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/www2sms/1.0.5/ ? |
| 09:23.34 | timeless_mbp | you mean instead of https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/www2sms/1.0.5/ ? |
| 09:24.25 | crashanddie | It's an italian and a greek arguing about who made the best civilisation. The Greek goes "We built the Parthenon", the Italian says "Ah, but we built the Colliseum". The Greek says "We invented mathematics", to which the Italian replies "But we built the Roman Empire". The Greek finally says "We invented sex!". "That's true", the Italian replies, "but we thought about having it with women!" |
| 09:24.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:24.36 | timeless_mbp | because we're silly, find/file a bug :) |
| 09:24.41 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 09:24.41 | timeless_mbp | i think there should be one |
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| 09:24.59 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: heh |
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| 09:29.32 | shorter | how can I tell if the proxies in the internet connection preferences are connecting? |
| 09:29.37 | shorter | any debuging methodologies? |
| 09:29.49 | mece | SpeedEvil, is powertop even in the repos |
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| 09:30.25 | lcuk | mece, http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ |
| 09:31.46 | MohammadAG51 | frals, you get a lot of weird bugs on bugzilla :P |
| 09:32.09 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, be thankful you havent got your own personal bugzilla :P |
| 09:32.13 | SpeedEvil | mece: no |
| 09:32.39 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ |
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| 09:33.23 | alterego | shorter: whatismyip.com? |
| 09:33.25 | xDaReaperx | Zen bound is a fun game :D |
| 09:33.25 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 09:33.39 | SpeedEvil | It would seem the original packager noticed. |
| 09:33.43 | SpeedEvil | It's in devel now |
| 09:34.12 | shorter | alterego, I'm not connected yet |
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| 09:34.27 | alterego | shorter: well, when you are ... |
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| 09:34.38 | mece | ah non-free |
| 09:35.02 | alterego | Is there anything I have to do to my product page for an app to make it recognise my maemo account and apply karma? |
| 09:35.08 | shorter | trying to get connected |
| 09:36.02 | mece | alterego, no. |
| 09:36.23 | alterego | cool, so it should show up eventually then :) |
| 09:36.26 | mece | alterego, only the talk.maemo.org -> maemo.org needs to be done manually. |
| 09:36.38 | alterego | Right, suspected as much. |
| 09:36.50 | mece | alterego, did your app get to extras? |
| 09:37.03 | alterego | mece: yup |
| 09:37.12 | mece | alterego, nice. which one? |
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| 09:37.37 | alterego | mece: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/media-im-status-updater/ |
| 09:37.49 | mece | alterego, right.. I'm using that one I think. |
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| 09:37.53 | mece | at least it's installed. |
| 09:37.59 | mece | I haven't really tested it.. |
| 09:38.25 | alterego | :) Well if you've not configured it before you need to enable/configure it first. |
| 09:38.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, your bouncer's been a bit laggy lately |
| 09:38.48 | lcuk | morning tekojo \o |
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| 09:38.52 | MohammadAG | said something on :36:52, I'll see when it goes through |
| 09:39.32 | tekojo | morning lcuk! |
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| 09:40.08 | BCMM | what's that app called that lets you use wifi without being on GSM? |
| 09:40.29 | BCMM | (i mean, like offline mode but with wlan) |
| 09:40.29 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: you can do that nromally. |
| 09:40.42 | SpeedEvil | there is 'cell modem switcher' or something |
| 09:40.58 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: how do you do that normally? |
| 09:41.07 | mece | alterego, it works :) |
| 09:41.17 | BCMM | offline mode turns off wlan doesn't it? |
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| 09:41.21 | alterego | mece: :) |
| 09:41.24 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 09:41.27 | MohammadAG | damn lag |
| 09:41.33 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: You move out of GSM coverage |
| 09:41.36 | mece | alterego, wait actually I did test this on my friends phone. |
| 09:41.38 | mece | anywya |
| 09:41.43 | alterego | Heh, |
| 09:41.44 | mece | MohammadAG, what's lagging? |
| 09:41.47 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I uploaded the package |
| 09:41.53 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Or you run 'stop BME' and run the battery below 3v. |
| 09:41.54 | MohammadAG | mece, freenode... |
| 09:41.56 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: i mean withou leaving the celll... |
| 09:42.06 | BCMM | i'll rephrase... |
| 09:42.14 | alterego | mece, all in all it seems to take about 10 seconds to appear on an MSN account |
| 09:42.47 | BCMM | iirc, there is an app to allow you to intentionally disconnect from gsm; like offline mode, but with wlan enabled |
| 09:42.48 | jacekowski | X-Fade: ping |
| 09:42.52 | lcuk | tekojo, longest day of the year, at least unless you go really far north :) hope sun is shining for you today |
| 09:42.54 | alterego | mece: which is better than I'd orignally expected, (it's actually just five, but I added a 5 second debounce period to ignore fast track skipping) |
| 09:42.56 | X-Fade | jacekowski: pong |
| 09:42.57 | BCMM | can anyone recall the name? |
| 09:43.14 | jacekowski | X-Fade: any chance that you could send me working config files for maemo autobuilder? |
| 09:43.16 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cell-modem-ui/ BCMM |
| 09:43.24 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ? |
| 09:43.34 | X-Fade | jacekowski: the buildme configs? |
| 09:43.36 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, powertop, I built that package not the original maintainer |
| 09:43.41 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 09:43.47 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Ehm sbdmock ones? |
| 09:43.51 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, check the deb's control file, I'll see why it shows him as a maintainer |
| 09:43.54 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 09:43.56 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I was confused, as it still said original maintainer |
| 09:44.05 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I mean the one in extras |
| 09:44.06 | jacekowski | X-Fade: yeah, and sbdmock, and wanna-build, and buildd, and sbuild or whatever you are using |
| 09:44.10 | MohammadAG | yeah, I'll have ping X-Fade about it (X-Fade, ping) |
| 09:44.15 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: extras-devel |
| 09:44.33 | MohammadAG | yeah SpeedEvil, check the control file in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/p/powertop/powertop_1.0_armel.deb |
| 09:44.40 | BCMM | also, is it technically possible to use 3G data while not being connected for the purpose of recieving calls? |
| 09:44.42 | X-Fade | jacekowski: sbdmock is what does the actual build preparations and builds. |
| 09:44.47 | MohammadAG | I think it's because it's an older version, uploading 1.2 |
| 09:45.00 | jacekowski | X-Fade: but something manages the queue |
| 09:45.02 | mece | X-Fade, problem sorted, thanks. :) |
| 09:45.13 | jacekowski | X-Fade: and wanna-build seems to just ignore everything |
| 09:45.17 | X-Fade | mece: Yeah, maintenance node issue. |
| 09:45.34 | X-Fade | jacekowski: buildme is what processes the queue. |
| 09:45.35 | tekojo | lcuk: cloudy, but good enough :) |
| 09:45.36 | jacekowski | X-Fade: so copy of configuration files would be nice |
| 09:45.57 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Buildme: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/buildme/?root=extras-cauldron |
| 09:46.10 | MiXu- | BCMM: At least it's possible for the phone to decide not to react to incoming calls. |
| 09:46.12 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 09:46.27 | jacekowski | X-Fade: still, any chances for sbdmock config? |
| 09:46.27 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ah |
| 09:46.36 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Yes, moment. |
| 09:46.56 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: /opt/maemo/usr/bin/powertop |
| 09:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Powertop 1.13.3 |
| 09:46.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.57 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Has been posted to the lists a few times, but let me dig the most recent on up ;) |
| 09:47.16 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, older as in package number, my version is 1.0, the uploaded one is 1.13 |
| 09:47.20 | SpeedEvil | I see |
| 09:47.38 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: shouldn't matter - the old one was never actually downloadable |
| 09:47.38 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I should've followed the same versioning scheme, but... too late to do that |
| 09:47.48 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: apt-get install powertop now works. |
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| 09:48.04 | MohammadAG | it's non-free, but that's because the "source" is a binary |
| 09:48.20 | mece | Soo, who has an idea why the autobuilder-built wesnoth segfaults while the scratchbox built one works fine? |
| 09:48.38 | MohammadAG | mece, the autobuilder is racist |
| 09:49.02 | mece | MohammadAG, I don't actually think wesnoth has a race, so racism shouldn't affect it.. |
| 09:49.13 | MohammadAG | mece, the uploader does |
| 09:49.31 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, do you mind checking out why the maintainer hasn't been replaced here? http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ |
| 09:50.17 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: email not set in account? |
| 09:50.30 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, I'm not that much of a noob :) |
| 09:50.47 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, Maintainer: Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh <mohammad7410@gmail.com> |
| 09:51.14 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Did you add that email to your profile? |
| 09:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Also - simply as it was a binary on pr1 fs doesn't mean it's redistributable technically |
| 09:51.31 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yes, I've uploaded packages before |
| 09:51.39 | SpeedEvil | There is no licence attached to the file |
| 09:51.50 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, afaik it's licensed under the GPL license |
| 09:51.50 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ah, maybe the import hasn't run yet. |
| 09:51.57 | X-Fade | jacekowski: http://maemo.pastebin.com/EGPuVW6G |
| 09:52.03 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, it has, the package was uploaded yesterday :) |
| 09:52.08 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: lesswats.com's powerttop is licenced under the GPL. |
| 09:52.11 | MohammadAG | well, today |
| 09:52.21 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, and can someone change the license? |
| 09:52.22 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: this is not that - it's a complete reimplementation |
| 09:52.27 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, but maintenance node was broken-ish. Has been fixed for not that long. |
| 09:52.34 | MohammadAG | oh, ok |
| 09:52.39 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Sure - the original author - that we don't know |
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| 09:53.04 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 09:53.04 | infobot | [closed] http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 09:53.06 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, assume it's under the GPL till someone proves otherwise :) |
| 09:53.15 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ah, there already was a maintainer. |
| 09:53.28 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It won't ever replace that one then. :) |
| 09:53.48 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You need to request maintainership. |
| 09:53.48 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, weird, I did it once |
| 09:53.55 | MohammadAG | S |
| 09:53.57 | MohammadAG | er |
| 09:53.59 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Only if none is set. |
| 09:54.03 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember how apt works |
| 09:54.03 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, and the package is broken (old one) |
| 09:54.08 | timeless_mbp | considers asking a computer |
| 09:54.11 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, super cow powers |
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| 09:54.25 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, actually, no, I replaced the maintainer for one package |
| 09:54.26 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: my computer relied on super-copy-on-write powers |
| 09:54.38 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well, it isn't nice to steal a package. So that is why you need to request maintainer when there is already one set. |
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| 09:54.57 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Package as in reserved name space. |
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| 09:55.50 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, I know, I was going to request maintainership after I uploaded it, but he just got replaced |
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| 09:57.18 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I seem to be missing the issue, what did you expect and what did actually happen? |
| 09:57.56 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, I expected it to overwrite the previous fields on the packages page, but that isn't the expected result from what it seems. |
| 09:58.15 | timeless_mbp | 3024 i'm stupid |
| 09:58.17 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: No, that would be evil. |
| 09:58.22 | timeless_mbp | likes that commit message |
| 09:58.33 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: That way anybody can hijack your package. |
| 09:58.37 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, hey, the importer did it once :P |
| 09:58.50 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Only if there was none set in the interface. |
| 09:58.56 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, there was someone |
| 09:59.03 | MohammadAG | not sure which package it was though |
| 09:59.32 | MohammadAG | can someone do an ls -l in /bin/tar please? I removed the original one |
| 09:59.38 | MohammadAG | on* |
| 10:00.56 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it's just a symlink to busybox |
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| 10:01.41 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so it's /bin/tar -> /bin/busybox? |
| 10:01.43 | Termana | yello |
| 10:02.01 | MohammadAG | hey Termana |
| 10:02.18 | Arkenoi | wow |
| 10:02.26 | Arkenoi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 <-resolved |
| 10:02.27 | povbot | Bug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web |
| 10:03.11 | MohammadAG | wow indeed, This has been fixed in package pulseaudio 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5 |
| 10:03.52 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAGyes |
| 10:04.01 | Arkenoi | wonders if it is possible to get it packaged separately from PR.13 or whatever will it be ;-) |
| 10:05.14 | lcuk | Arkenoi, dont sound so shocked that bugs are fixed :) |
| 10:05.28 | alterego | Apparently MS are following in Apple's footprints by releasing a mobile OS withough copy/paste?! |
| 10:05.31 | SpeedEvil | I assume apt-get remove pulseaudio;apt-get install pulseaudio would do nothing? |
| 10:05.56 | Termana | alterego, did you expect any better? |
| 10:06.08 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it would install the same package you removed |
| 10:06.12 | Termana | This is Apple and Microsoft we are talking about here :P |
| 10:06.18 | alterego | Termana: I expect nothing :P |
| 10:06.19 | SpeedEvil | Thought so. |
| 10:06.25 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, its not in a release yet |
| 10:06.32 | BCMM | alterego: don't worry, I'm sure they'll introduce it later with great fanfare |
| 10:06.48 | BCMM | and use the word "innovation" |
| 10:06.53 | SpeedEvil | In principle - is there anything stopping some person compiling pulse, and jamming it in extras? |
| 10:06.56 | MohammadAG | ln -s /usr/bin/gnu/tar /bin/tar <-- postinst. postrm --> ln -s /bin/tar /bin/busybox |
| 10:07.01 | lcuk | alterego, that means they are on new green code then |
| 10:07.04 | MohammadAG | looks right, right? |
| 10:07.07 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Yes, me ;) |
| 10:07.09 | lcuk | since they have had c&p for donkeys years |
| 10:07.15 | lcuk | it shows something good |
| 10:07.19 | alterego | So, if I wanted to implement a pay for app, and I was going to implement a registation system to do it. Do you think people would get mad if I used their IMEI to do so? :) |
| 10:07.27 | mece | SpeedEvil, same problem as with other bits that break SSU I suppose. |
| 10:07.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:07.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, why should they |
| 10:07.52 | mece | SpeedEvil, but I'm sure it could be in devel? |
| 10:07.55 | alterego | :) |
| 10:07.57 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I think they have no real case - as long as you've explained it |
| 10:08.06 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 10:08.10 | SpeedEvil | alterego: What do you mean by 'use the IMEI' |
| 10:08.11 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, where would we get the source in the first place |
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| 10:08.29 | MohammadAG | IMEI tied with registration server |
| 10:08.36 | alterego | SpeedEvil: as in make the package lock to their IMEI |
| 10:08.51 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Sending the IMEI to you I would be hesitant about |
| 10:08.56 | mece | MohammadAG, apt-get source pulseaudio worked... |
| 10:08.59 | SpeedEvil | as you can do various bad things with IMEI |
| 10:09.06 | alterego | It's just a light idea at the moment. |
| 10:09.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, you do know someone could just fake the IMEI if you're going to use the dbus method |
| 10:09.29 | MohammadAG | mece, for the newest source? (the one that was fixed?) |
| 10:09.41 | mece | MohammadAG, I suppose not. |
| 10:09.45 | alterego | MohammadAG: there are many ways to get around it I'm sure, but your average user isn't going to know. |
| 10:09.47 | mece | MohammadAG, what was fixed? |
| 10:10.01 | MohammadAG | This has been fixed in package pulseaudio 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5 which is part of the internal build version 2010.24-2 |
| 10:10.11 | alterego | anyhow gotta move bbiab |
| 10:10.12 | MohammadAG | bug 7190, as Arkenoi said |
| 10:10.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web |
| 10:10.43 | jacekowski | X-Fade: python2.6? |
| 10:11.54 | X-Fade | jacekowski: what, where, how? |
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| 10:12.29 | jacekowski | X-Fade: are you using python2.6? |
| 10:12.40 | X-Fade | jacekowski: For? |
| 10:12.43 | jacekowski | buildme |
| 10:12.59 | jacekowski | ( on 2.5 it fails on ImportError: No module named json ) |
| 10:13.06 | jacekowski | and it looks like it's ok on 2.6 |
| 10:13.21 | X-Fade | Yeah, you need json for python. |
| 10:13.44 | X-Fade | But it looks we are using 2.5. |
| 10:15.03 | jacekowski | well, i can't find json package with json that would work |
| 10:15.19 | jacekowski | anyways, 2.6 is working |
| 10:15.45 | X-Fade | jacekowski: ii python-json 3.4-2 a JSON (http://json.org) reader and writer in Python |
| 10:16.50 | mece | MohammadAG, have you checked on gitorious? |
| 10:17.53 | MohammadAG | not really, still looking at the Xarchiver source and the diablo patches |
| 10:20.15 | jacekowski | X-Fade: destinations = ('builder1@corsola.dmz:/home/builder1/', 'builder2@corsola.dmz:/home/builder2/', 'builder3@corsola.dmz:/home/builder3') |
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| 10:23.58 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Those are just ssh accounts to your sbdmock machine. |
| 10:24.35 | shorter | trying to get the proxy to work |
| 10:24.38 | shorter | any ideas? |
| 10:24.50 | SpeedEvil | How would I determine if the tag 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5 is in http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio/ ? |
| 10:24.52 | shorter | I've tested it on my computer |
| 10:25.00 | SpeedEvil | does not understand git |
| 10:25.07 | shorter | is there something I would need enabled in squid to connect with teh n900? |
| 10:25.31 | shorter | in advanced i just have proxyname and port |
| 10:25.44 | haj | uhm.. anyone tried running Warcraft II on their N900.. via Stratagus I guess... ? |
| 10:25.58 | haj | Wargus.. |
| 10:26.23 | mece | SpeedEvil, hmm.. It's not sorted like that. latest is 0.9.19-1maemo3 it appears.. |
| 10:26.46 | mece | haj, there's a video of it I think, so someone has. |
| 10:26.49 | SpeedEvil | mece: yes -Ican seethemost recent tagstoo |
| 10:27.00 | SpeedEvil | mece: Ormaybe that's all ofthem-andit's simply not there |
| 10:27.20 | mece | holdon |
| 10:27.36 | frals_ | SpeedEvil: in sourceree it should show all tags afaik |
| 10:27.54 | frals_ | otherwise, clone the repo and git tags should show you all of them ;o |
| 10:28.33 | haj | mece: yah.. I'm just wondering if it works okay to play it... just played through Dune II as House Harkonnen and that worked somewhat okay.. though OpenDune crashes a lot :/ |
| 10:28.33 | SpeedEvil | I can clone the repo - but I don't understand what to do from there. |
| 10:28.42 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 10:29.19 | mece | SpeedEvil, well one of those commits has the correct version I suppose. |
| 10:29.37 | SpeedEvil | Assuming it's the same repo |
| 10:29.41 | mece | they didn't tag eaarlier than 0.9.18-1maemo1 it appears |
| 10:29.46 | frals_ | SpeedEvil: or just do (assuming you have git installed) mkdir pa-git; git clone http://git.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio.git; git tags |
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| 10:31.04 | MohammadAG | hmm, so how do I make an app show up in the "open with" dialog |
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| 10:31.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: you need to modify the mimetype registry by adding it into your .desktop I think. |
| 10:31.49 | alterego | There's also an app for that :) |
| 10:31.58 | alterego | Which does it "dynamically" :D |
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| 10:32.41 | jacekowski | X-Fade: ChangesException: Error: file chromium_5.0.369.2-maemo4.dsc isn't signed |
| 10:32.58 | MohammadAG | MimeType=application/x-arj;application/arj;application/x-bzip;application/x-bzip-compressed-tar alterego it already is defined |
| 10:33.31 | alterego | Hrm ... |
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| 10:34.36 | X-Fade | jacekowski: That explains itself? :) |
| 10:35.27 | jacekowski | well, it's same package i was using for maemo builder |
| 10:36.07 | jacekowski | but hmm |
| 10:36.27 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Yes, you should be able to turn that check off. |
| 10:36.34 | mece | SpeedEvil, the changelog jumps from 0.9.15-1maemo32 to 0.9.19-1maemo1, so that particular version, 0.9.15-1maemo43 does not appear to be there. |
| 10:37.02 | alterego | MohammadAG: you might need to exec update-mime-database and not sure if you need to register with tracker w/ tracker-register-mimetype |
| 10:37.09 | mece | SpeedEvil, why not try 0.9.19? |
| 10:37.11 | X-Fade | mece: Might have been an interim nightly build or so. |
| 10:37.18 | MohammadAG | alterego, where are .service files stored? |
| 10:37.20 | jacekowski | X-Fade: i did |
| 10:37.31 | SpeedEvil | mece: Because that would involve thought |
| 10:37.34 | jacekowski | Error: can't copy '/home/maemo/public_html/builder/fremantle/chromium_5.0.369.2-maemo4/sources/chromium_5.0.369.2-maemo4_source.changes' to '/' |
| 10:37.37 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 10:37.38 | jacekowski | that's more fun |
| 10:37.44 | SpeedEvil | mece: It's a perfectly teasonable question though. |
| 10:38.05 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Hehe, don't specify builder home as / |
| 10:38.05 | mece | SpeedEvil, hmm. I'm tempted to build that. |
| 10:38.10 | alterego | MohammadAG: /usr/share/dbus-1/services I believe |
| 10:38.16 | MohammadAG | found it :) |
| 10:38.18 | mece | SpeedEvil, probly depends on some other stuff though.. |
| 10:38.21 | SpeedEvil | mece: Basically - I was not assuming that that was the gir repo that the development was being done on - it might have been forked ealier - so that the fix does not appear on that repo |
| 10:38.47 | SpeedEvil | mece: Hence I was lookinf for the same tag name to confirm that |
| 10:38.49 | jacekowski | hmmmmm |
| 10:38.50 | jacekowski | destinations = ('maemo@jacekowski.org:/home/maemo/builds/') |
| 10:38.52 | jacekowski | Error: unknown destination 'm' |
| 10:39.14 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: What are you trying to do? Has the OK been given to put chromium up again? |
| 10:39.33 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i'm puting it up in my repo |
| 10:39.51 | jacekowski | and because it's in the eu |
| 10:39.55 | jacekowski | i don't have to care |
| 10:40.00 | alterego | :) |
| 10:40.27 | alterego | God bless the EU and their anti-sw-patent ethic :) |
| 10:40.39 | X-Fade | It is a sad story, but we're still working on a solution too btw. |
| 10:40.58 | alterego | Cool |
| 10:41.00 | MohammadAG | Nuke IL -> RESOLVED FIXED |
| 10:41.09 | jaska | \o/ |
| 10:41.12 | alterego | Is maemo.org not in the eu? :D |
| 10:41.51 | jacekowski | alterego: nokia is in US as well |
| 10:42.08 | jacekowski | alterego: but i'm only in the eu |
| 10:42.14 | alterego | Oh, right |
| 10:42.18 | alterego | Good point |
| 10:42.22 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.24 | RST38h | nukes MohammadAG slowly and painfully, just like if he were debugging him |
| 10:42.30 | shorter | how should i test a 3g proxy on the n900? |
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| 10:42.37 | shorter | can't tell if it is connecting or what |
| 10:42.38 | jacekowski | i shouldn't be getting that error unless something is seriously fucked up in my config file |
| 10:42.56 | SpeedEvil | shorter: A 3g proxy? |
| 10:42.58 | MohammadAG | purge and reinstall |
| 10:43.00 | alterego | SpeedEvil: so, it's not actually possible to do what we discussed earlier with the accelerometer? |
| 10:43.19 | SpeedEvil | shorter: you mean a box that you get from your WSP that you pay for, as they are too cheap to build out a proper net? |
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| 10:43.28 | jacekowski | hmmmmm |
| 10:43.31 | shorter | not sure |
| 10:43.34 | shorter | it is a squid proxy |
| 10:43.36 | SpeedEvil | alterego: It's possible - but you would need to first fix the kenrel to get it interrupting |
| 10:43.45 | shorter | because they're blocking port 80 on my 3g service |
| 10:43.48 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: did you see the crunchpad article? |
| 10:43.56 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: No. |
| 10:44.11 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: well - I assume not, as I have no recollection of the name crunchpad. |
| 10:44.38 | timeless_mbp | i think i botched the name :) |
| 10:44.50 | timeless_mbp | techcrunch |
| 10:44.57 | timeless_mbp | http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/15/att-microcell-3g-techcrunch/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29 |
| 10:45.07 | SpeedEvil | ah - no |
| 10:45.56 | mece | OT but OMG Cthulhu! http://funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Chthulu-Cake-ab062110.jpg |
| 10:46.33 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: ah.AtleastintheUK,Idon'tthinktheybotherabout that - thye'll just sell you one |
| 10:47.10 | alterego | I think I've got an abcess |
| 10:47.26 | SpeedEvil | timeless: however - to be fair - many buildings are constructed so they are goo RF shelds, and you'd nver be able to get a signal |
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| 10:54.27 | shorter | any idea what I should do in the ip addresses section of the advanced settings in the 3g connection preferences? |
| 10:54.32 | shorter | in order to get a proxy to work? |
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| 10:55.28 | shorter | SpeedEvil: and I'm not sure what you mean by the box from my WSP |
| 10:56.06 | SpeedEvil | shorter: I mean a 3G proxy, like the one timeless_mbp linked to |
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| 10:57.06 | shorter | ah, yeah i mean an actual squid server |
| 10:57.25 | achipa | fun-tastic, a FN document is missing and suggest to report the 404 on a page that is... 404 itself |
| 10:57.33 | SpeedEvil | shorter: I'm not sure that'd work |
| 10:57.52 | SpeedEvil | shorter: I've never investigated proxysettings. I know others have had problems. |
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| 11:07.47 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 11:07.48 | jacekowski | Error occured: Failed to select target maemo5-arm-dba73629df2ffe48249c7bfed488a60535e1a66e, exiting |
| 11:07.54 | jacekowski | in sbdmock |
| 11:09.17 | X-Fade | jacekowski: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/horizontal-call_0.6-1/armel.root.log.OK.txt |
| 11:09.29 | X-Fade | jacekowski: There you can see what steps it should do. |
| 11:10.03 | X-Fade | jacekowski: I guess you created the scratchbox users? |
| 11:10.10 | jacekowski | yes |
| 11:10.17 | jacekowski | what scratchbox version are you using? |
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| 11:14.28 | plastun | how to temporary disable search in TouxhSelector when pressing hardware key? |
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| 11:16.06 | th3hate | Nokia N8: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7352/47627289.jpg |
| 11:16.09 | th3hate | just for the lulz |
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| 11:17.09 | jacekowski | i think it's working |
| 11:18.34 | alterego | So what repo is gnu screen in?!?!?!?!?!? :D |
| 11:18.41 | tybollt | )#¤%)#()%(!)(%)"# |
| 11:19.07 | MohammadAG | alterego, gnu screen? |
| 11:19.36 | alterego | It's a UNIX app, really cool :) Like VNC for the command line people usually say. |
| 11:19.43 | Ikarus | th3hate: wouldn't happen on the N900, it would just swap trash like hell :P |
| 11:19.49 | joga | screen is THE most useful single program I think |
| 11:19.57 | tybollt | tmux > screen |
| 11:20.31 | th3hate | another pic for the lulz: http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8840/50142675.jpg |
| 11:20.32 | th3hate | :D |
| 11:20.51 | th3hate | symbian will stay symbian no matter what they did |
| 11:20.56 | joga | tybollt: what does tmux actually do better in practice? I glanced at it briefly (and the other alternative whose name can never be remembered) but didn't see anything worth learning |
| 11:21.24 | joga | (I think it used ctrl-b for the command key? or maybe it was the other one) |
| 11:21.36 | joga | of course you can change that, but well :) |
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| 11:22.29 | joga | oh hey now I remember, it was "byobu". just as ingenius a name for a terminal multiplexer as baobab is for a disk usage analyzer |
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| 11:22.53 | joga | though baobab is from little prince, I hear |
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| 11:25.23 | tybollt | joga: Tmux is actively maintained - in fact it is so actively maintained most bug fixes are done w/in an hour or two |
| 11:25.46 | joga | tybollt, I've yet to find a bug in screen :) |
| 11:25.54 | tybollt | ... |
| 11:26.09 | joga | (seriously, I can't think of a single one) |
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| 11:26.29 | joga | maybe I've just so accustomed to it I don't notice anymore, but I dunno |
| 11:26.33 | tybollt | seriously it's a bikeshed |
| 11:26.35 | joga | *I'm |
| 11:26.38 | tybollt | screen is good for you |
| 11:27.22 | joga | can you name some bug or misfeature in it so I could at least tell my users why I installed several multiplexers for them without telling why they're better? ;) |
| 11:28.26 | tybollt | well it crashed for me at an inconvenient time |
| 11:28.40 | tybollt | that there *points* bug that made it crash :) |
| 11:28.45 | joga | are you sure it crashed and it wasn't the xon/xoff thing for example? |
| 11:28.52 | joga | ok :) |
| 11:28.59 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:29.10 | tybollt | as I said it's a bikeshed - screen is probably good enough for you |
| 11:30.13 | joga | tybollt, I was just interested in what makes tmux et al superior in practice. I use screen massively and it has never failed me. I don't mean to bash the alternatives. what is screen not good enough for? |
| 11:31.43 | zash | tmux has built in tiling wm? |
| 11:31.45 | zash | wooot |
| 11:31.56 | joga | I trust ion3 to do that for me |
| 11:32.13 | zash | screen just has oneway split afaik |
| 11:32.27 | joga | yeah, that's one. screen does have crappy window tiling |
| 11:32.46 | joga | I don't need that, though, because I look at one window at a time in a single wm frame anyway |
| 11:33.00 | zash | there's also dtach which does *only* the detaching/reattaching part |
| 11:33.43 | joga | I tried to use split windows but it just made using screen a bit more error prone, so I don't do that anymore |
| 11:34.06 | pahartik | tries to get "aiccu_20070115-9-maemo1_armel.deb" installed but "dpkg: error processing aiccu (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" |
| 11:34.37 | tybollt | the biggest thing with tmux is it is free |
| 11:34.42 | joga | this is byobu but when I tried it, to me it just looked like a bunch of confusing candy http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/Screenshot-ec2-cost.png |
| 11:34.58 | alterego | I'm not into split windows + screen, not why I use it. Screen + emacs ftw though :) |
| 11:35.07 | tybollt | screen still has that ugly GPL thing |
| 11:35.11 | alterego | It's almost like they were built for each other :D |
| 11:35.29 | joga | tybollt, ok...but is there some big difference in actual functionality? |
| 11:35.39 | joga | like, some cool feature you use every day |
| 11:35.42 | tybollt | yes there are |
| 11:35.50 | petteri | screen rules, don't see any reason from moving to alternatives |
| 11:35.57 | korhojoa | i liek screen |
| 11:36.03 | tybollt | liek |
| 11:36.11 | joga | I'd like to know some of the reasons before considering it seriously :) |
| 11:36.31 | joga | I've used screen daily for I dunno...7 years at least |
| 11:36.34 | alterego | Anyhow, this is a wonderful discussion and all, but where the hell is screen for maemo :P |
| 11:36.44 | joga | alterego: oh, it's there, in Extras or -testing |
| 11:37.01 | joga | I've it installed at least, and those repos enabled :) |
| 11:37.28 | alterego | hrm, I get package reference errors. |
| 11:44.03 | joga | I wish someone less lazy than me would write some config for tmux so window handling works identically to ion :) |
| 11:44.57 | alterego | Ah it's in the "maemo tools' repository |
| 11:45.03 | joga | oh |
| 11:45.08 | joga | sorry :) |
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| 11:50.27 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, ping |
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| 11:57.38 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: pong |
| 11:57.58 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, hey. What's new in Maemo land? |
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| 11:59.08 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: well, maemo.org is self-destructing itself, handset UX should come out this month of meego and i plan on ignoring the internet for a week starting saturday :) |
| 11:59.39 | tybollt | oh? |
| 11:59.49 | tybollt | the xterm wasn't it then? >:P |
| 11:59.50 | TomaszD | ah, so everything is normal |
| 11:59.53 | lcuk | maemo.org would be less self destructing if people would stop saying such. people are looking at hildon on meego |
| 12:00.17 | pyther | Neweeg dropped the N900 by $10 today |
| 12:00.20 | Stskeeps | tybollt: no, emacs is the new UX |
| 12:00.37 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i actually did port hildon to stock gtk, let's see what people do with it |
| 12:00.39 | tybollt | Stskeeps: Gee, no need to scare us like that ;) |
| 12:00.42 | TomaszD | I still haven't given up on the FR Stskeeps :) |
| 12:01.08 | lcuk | sure Stskeeps its just difficult to get people going on meego because of all the smoke and mirrors |
| 12:01.16 | tybollt | Stskeeps: is hildon to be converted to QT somehow or will the QT GUI be a completely new thing? |
| 12:01.44 | Stskeeps | tybollt: it's difficult to move a gobject based framework to be using a qt base instead of gtk, i'd say |
| 12:02.01 | lcuk | tybollt, there are similar qildon type packages available but people are aiming to get gtk hildon on the meego base |
| 12:02.05 | tybollt | Stskeeps: ' |
| 12:02.10 | tybollt | Stskeeps: 'look 'n feel' |
| 12:02.25 | Stskeeps | tybollt: people are quite good with theming, they'll figure something out |
| 12:02.47 | tybollt | I take that as a no |
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| 12:02.58 | Stskeeps | doesn't do gtk, but others might |
| 12:03.27 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, qtmoko has insanely cool fullscreen handwriting recognition that actually works |
| 12:03.28 | lcuk | plenty of people do :p |
| 12:03.37 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: scary, cellwriter or? |
| 12:03.49 | TomaszD | no, Qt embedded |
| 12:03.55 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 12:04.09 | TomaszD | something they eventually gave up on |
| 12:04.21 | TomaszD | but hey, it works well, the whole shebang on the FR works well |
| 12:04.22 | lcuk | thats ok - the code should be recompilable |
| 12:05.08 | tybollt | Stskeeps: could you be a little less smoke and mirrors, yeah? :) |
| 12:05.19 | Stskeeps | tybollt: i'm not the one making smoke and mirrors |
| 12:05.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 12:05.39 | Stskeeps | i will be smoking quite a fair bit in a week though, but no mirrors involved. |
| 12:05.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:06.15 | tybollt | reckon Stskeeps is fairly well aware of the boundaires of NDA's :) |
| 12:06.16 | lcuk | where you heading to Stskeeps |
| 12:06.27 | tybollt | lala-land? :) |
| 12:06.46 | lcuk | well its either freetown or amsterdam lol |
| 12:07.08 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roskilde_Festival |
| 12:08.02 | lcuk | kickass Stskeeps \o/ |
| 12:08.08 | mece | Thanks for the bugreport. Much appreciated SpeedEvil |
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| 12:10.59 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, Qt Extended, not embedded |
| 12:11.10 | TomaszD | 4.4.3, after which it got cancelled |
| 12:11.16 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you around for guadec - perhaps we can see about some extra gtk hands :) |
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| 12:12.07 | Stskeeps | lcuk: probably not, but maybe someone can do a BoF on the work |
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| 12:16.10 | SpeedEvil | mece: Err? |
| 12:16.13 | SpeedEvil | mece: Oh |
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| 12:17.59 | mece | SpeedEvil, did you notice how, if it is checked, then unchecking can be done by clicking on the place where it didn't work to check it? |
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| 12:18.25 | SpeedEvil | diddn'tnoticethat,no |
| 12:18.45 | SpeedEvil | I was just running through a list of 10 apps checking for obvious stuff. |
| 12:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: My landlord got mail from Helsinki for me |
| 12:22.53 | pupnik_ | what about |
| 12:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, have to pick it up at him |
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| 12:23.53 | Ikarus | from HEL, why on earth |
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| 12:25.17 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: probably a cease and desist ;p |
| 12:25.19 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: did you by any change apply on the maemo developer device queue ? |
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| 12:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: lol, yeah |
| 12:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: maybe |
| 12:26.26 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: I'm a bit indecisive today... Or maybe not... :D |
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| 12:27.22 | X-Fade | Hmm nice power outage on my irc host. |
| 12:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: I thought your question was implying the answer you could easly get from a /whois and a browser click to the related wikipage |
| 12:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ouch |
| 12:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 12:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 12:28.55 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, no problem. Just annoying. Or nice and quiet, depends on how you look at it. |
| 12:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:29.17 | pupnik_ | hahahah |
| 12:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | I enyoied the hour silence yesterday, when crashy kicked me |
| 12:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | enjoyed |
| 12:29.35 | achipa | X-Fade: no, the cannot-be-killed-frenzy-packages are annonying. It's definitely nice and quiet |
| 12:30.10 | X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, nice race condition. |
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| 12:30.13 | achipa | but my net is kooky, too, that's why I don't click around much... took well over a minute to log in to amazon aws... |
| 12:31.13 | achipa | X-Fade: hey, the soccer part is still there, proud and zombie ! :) |
| 12:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 12:31.48 | X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, well actual file is gone now. It is just that the non-free Packages file needs to be re-generated. |
| 12:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | soccer will live on forever |
| 12:32.08 | achipa | X-Fade: ah, so THAT's why appwatch is crashing ;) |
| 12:32.09 | X-Fade | achipa: Which typically happens when someone promotes a non-free app to testing, which is not often ;) |
| 12:33.04 | X-Fade | achipa: So I have 2 options, spend quite some time to fix it. Or *shrug* and delete again in the interface in a few days ;) |
| 12:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong? |
| 12:33.59 | achipa | envisions X-Fade doing tick-class shrugging all day long |
| 12:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: so after thinking thoroughly about it why I said "maybe", I came to the conclusion it's been the correct answer as I dunno what's in the package (or maybe it's even a letter) |
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| 12:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | so, "yes, maybe it's related to my application for a devel dev" |
| 12:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | mooo GeneralAntilles :-) |
| 12:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, howdy. |
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| 12:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | fine, seen my ping to GAN900 ? |
| 12:37.28 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, just now, yes, get it yet? |
| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | have to wait til landlord is back again |
| 12:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | just got an email announcing 'mail from HEL' |
| 12:38.56 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, love it, Moto's beat Nokia to market with the Droid 2 with OMAP3630 |
| 12:39.05 | GeneralAntilles | Apple's got a Cortex A9 blowing EVERYBODY away |
| 12:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | and Nokia's still shipping an ARM11 as their flagship. . . . |
| 12:39.27 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Is that really an A9? |
| 12:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | It's NOT a flagship :-P |
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| 12:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I don't give a damn shit |
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| 12:40.45 | X-Fade | wants more RAM more badly than a faster cpu. |
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| 12:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | the OMAP3430 is fast enough for all I want to do on a mobile |
| 12:40.59 | sx0n | iirc it's not a9 |
| 12:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ack |
| 12:41.16 | RST38h | yawns at the upcoming Apocalypsis for the Nokia |
| 12:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | bah, then we buy it for cheap money |
| 12:41.37 | X-Fade | N900 would be a lot more snappy when it had 512 or more. |
| 12:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 12:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: again ack |
| 12:42.10 | lcuk | werent you all saying the same about 810 -> 900 ? |
| 12:42.11 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, A4, so, yeah, I believe so. |
| 12:42.18 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: How are your soldering skills. |
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| 12:42.22 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: That is A8? |
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| 12:42.30 | lcuk | thinks 810 is enough grunt, the 900 is relaxing |
| 12:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | A4 is the same thing as in the iPad. |
| 12:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not THAT good |
| 12:42.55 | RST38h | thinks N900 is slow like hell, but the CPU is not to blame for that |
| 12:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, is the A4 an A8? |
| 12:43.09 | RST38h | yes it is |
| 12:43.12 | achipa | GeneralAntilles: pretty much |
| 12:43.15 | MohammadAG | isn't the iPhone using an A4? |
| 12:43.17 | sx0n | n900 is quite snappy with oc kernel. |
| 12:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | Aha, interesting. |
| 12:43.18 | X-Fade | In the Agenda VR3, people piggybacked additional ram chips on top of each other ;) |
| 12:43.23 | MohammadAG | and 512MB RAM |
| 12:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | has been mislead for a while now. |
| 12:43.27 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: In the n900 too |
| 12:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah ARM numbering is confusing like hell |
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| 12:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, nah, it's not that. Stupid "journalists" are idiots. |
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| 12:44.27 | tybollt | gan: this is the age of the intarwebz - everyone can be a "journalist" now... :-| |
| 12:44.37 | tybollt | anyone, too |
| 12:44.39 | achipa | GeneralAntilles: http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225700447 |
| 12:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: (piggyback) That's how the OMAP SoC is built |
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| 12:46.43 | sx0n | it stills generates lot of heat though. |
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| 12:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: that's why the worlbest soldering skills won't suffice to push up the RAM in N900. You can't reach the soldering spots to contact the membus |
| 12:47.50 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I know. |
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| 12:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | you *could* swap the SoC for a variant with 512MB RAM piggybacked to the core |
| 12:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | if you find a pincompatible variant |
| 12:49.15 | X-Fade | And are good at bga soldering ;) |
| 12:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | of course |
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| 12:49.53 | alterego | How about quicker swap? |
| 12:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | I'd bet for a yield < 1 out of 10 |
| 12:50.02 | E0x | good morning |
| 12:50.19 | alterego | It'd be easier to hack some faster storage I would have thought |
| 12:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: would mean swapping the eMMC. Could earn you a few percent I guess. Not more |
| 12:51.15 | X-Fade | Preventing swapping would help more. |
| 12:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 12:51.45 | X-Fade | Preloading all these apps doesn't help when you don't use them often. |
| 12:51.48 | achipa | wonders if swapping to a zippy external card would help, like on the N810 |
| 12:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | overclocking !!! :-P |
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| 12:52.04 | X-Fade | I've been wanting to test with disabling most preloaded apps. |
| 12:52.14 | X-Fade | Or prestarted rather. |
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| 12:52.50 | alterego | Can we sort downloads on maemo.org site by download count? would be handy to know the most popular for QA testing ... |
| 12:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: really interesting topic. I thought about same |
| 12:53.07 | X-Fade | alterego: /downloads/ |
| 12:53.30 | X-Fade | alterego: instead of /updated/ for instance. |
| 12:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil elaborated on this several times now |
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| 12:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | in ML, and maybe even in tmo. Here even more often then there |
| 12:55.21 | SpComb | is it possible to do i386 builds of packages that use libqtm in extras-devel? |
| 12:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's even scripts to do some sum up |
| 12:55.48 | SpComb | the autobuilder seems to trip over on installing libqtm-dev as part of the Build-Depends |
| 12:56.26 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: url? |
| 12:56.28 | SpComb | i.e. armel build runs fine, but i386 build fails |
| 12:56.34 | X-Fade | SpComb: ^^ |
| 12:56.51 | SpComb | e.g. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/wordpress_0.6.97/ |
| 12:58.03 | SpComb | doesn't seem like it's the only package with the same issue either |
| 12:58.19 | X-Fade | SpComb: Checking.. |
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| 13:00.22 | SpComb | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/023952.html <-- 0.6.97-2 with only the armel arch built fine |
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| 13:04.45 | jacekowski | X-Fade: going back to my builder |
| 13:05.14 | jacekowski | X-Fade: i think my sources.list is little bit incorrect |
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| 13:08.10 | jacekowski | well, not sources.list but config_opts['sources.list'] |
| 13:08.37 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/how_many_times_each_application_is_downloaded_from_extras-devel/ |
| 13:09.58 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Just start with """ and end with """ |
| 13:09.58 | X-Fade | jacekowski: And have your regular sources.list stuff in there. |
| 13:09.58 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, when does the importer run again? |
| 13:09.59 | jacekowski | X-Fade: well, content is incorrect |
| 13:10.30 | X-Fade | jacekowski: We have local repos, but you can just point to repository.m.o? |
| 13:10.31 | jacekowski | i can't pull whole nokia-binaries repository easily unfortunatelly |
| 13:10.49 | jacekowski | so well, i'll have to point it to r.m.o |
| 13:10.53 | X-Fade | jacekowski: You don't need to. |
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| 13:11.18 | X-Fade | jacekowski: As you can just add the one from scratchbox with your eula key? |
| 13:11.58 | X-Fade | jacekowski: I just don't add the live one as to not expose the key etc. |
| 13:12.14 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It is back to normal for a while now. |
| 13:12.21 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: yes? |
| 13:12.40 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, :05 and :35 right? |
| 13:12.57 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: ish, yes. |
| 13:13.04 | jacekowski | btw. is it fremantle or fremantle1.2 now? |
| 13:13.07 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: I assumed your query was about DocScrutinizers mention of my posts to the ml - post is at the end of that thread |
| 13:13.41 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: I have the separate data for every file in every repo. |
| 13:13.59 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: basically around the issue that there is only one global downloads counter - or at least ones that are known of - that counts everything |
| 13:14.36 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: I've said multiple times that the counter adds up all repos ;) |
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| 13:14.46 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: As that is only fair. |
| 13:14.51 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. Is that available seperately? |
| 13:15.03 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Someone who has the app installed from -devel won't install it from Extras. |
| 13:15.39 | SpeedEvil | Sure. But being able to work out what proportion of users have the app installed from extras-devel/testing/extras has not got no value. |
| 13:16.25 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: It has anecdotal value, but really.. |
| 13:16.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Was just going to ask if you had any time to flesh out the issue; but it's gone now :) |
| 13:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: the raw number of downloads is almost worthless |
| 13:18.03 | GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah, I was long abed at that point. |
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| 13:18.06 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Indeed - that's a slightly debatable value - the real interesting bit would be it would help to pull apart the number of users with an app installed. |
| 13:18.31 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: But why would you really want to know that? :) |
| 13:18.32 | balor | Is gstreamer-plugins-flac available for OS2008/N810? |
| 13:18.36 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Consider an app with 5 releases. The total of downloads is 130000 |
| 13:18.41 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: What would you do with the data. |
| 13:18.49 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: You want to know the number of users |
| 13:19.09 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: How do you do this? Other than attempting to integrate the downloads per day graph. |
| 13:19.15 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: There is no real way of knowing that as we don't know if it is a clean install or an upgrade. |
| 13:19.22 | SpeedEvil | Of course not. |
| 13:19.32 | X-Fade | So everything you do is just useless ;) |
| 13:19.56 | X-Fade | Well there is lies and there are statistics ;) |
| 13:19.58 | SpeedEvil | But 'version x.y was downloaded 1000 times from extras, 800 times from extras-devel' is a pretty close proxy for the number of users. |
| 13:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | o arguably the whole number wanking is useless then |
| 13:20.26 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: I really think we should put our effort somewhere else. |
| 13:20.42 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Graph is nice to look at, but really nothing more. |
| 13:20.45 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Indeed - I'm not arguing on spending any major effor whatsoever. |
| 13:21.00 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if the files would be easy to make accessible - or not. |
| 13:21.10 | SpeedEvil | If not - then I completely agree it is not worth it |
| 13:21.20 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Splitting this out and providing proper analysis is a ton of work. |
| 13:21.25 | vldcnst | Coffee anyone? |
| 13:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | here please |
| 13:21.36 | X-Fade | I'd rather get OBS in place in the same amount of time. |
| 13:21.52 | X-Fade | Or another usefull feature which benefits most people. |
| 13:22.09 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Ok - I was more meaning raw logs for people to parse. If they're not available, I quite agree. |
| 13:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: devent numbers for devels of commercial sw to rely on, that *is* something every user benefits from in long term |
| 13:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | decent even |
| 13:23.29 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, but there is not much of a long term. |
| 13:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 13:24.00 | X-Fade | Our time is limited and in the meego scope everything changes radically. |
| 13:24.06 | RST38h | The Telegraph has today answered those most pressing questions of the age: just what does Kim Jong-Il inspecting a radish look like, and when he inspects a radish, what conclusion can be drawn from the encounter? |
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| 13:25.25 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: And besides, I'm pretty sure the way we measure things now is how every store shows their data. |
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| 13:26.55 | aboyer_ | has anyone used the texture streaming module (bc_cat) from TI to perform texture streaming on the N900? I've managed to compile the kernel module but when using it, it crashes the device... |
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| 13:27.32 | eitama | X-Fade, Got 3 minutes for a question about the auto-builder? |
| 13:28.37 | toggles_w | anyone have any sort of guess as to what sort of % of people here are running at 900mhz? |
| 13:28.50 | Appiah | 900? all the time? |
| 13:28.56 | vldcnst | Under 5%, I'd say. |
| 13:29.09 | toggles_w | thanks.. any failures? |
| 13:29.17 | X-Fade | eitama: sure |
| 13:29.23 | eitama | I ran at 900 for 1 month |
| 13:29.29 | eitama | then i moved to 1000 (: |
| 13:29.35 | eitama | been using 1000 since then |
| 13:29.37 | eitama | flawlessly |
| 13:29.46 | vldcnst | Yet... |
| 13:29.52 | eitama | X-Fade: I just uploaded a package to extras-devel |
| 13:29.57 | eitama | it's written in Qt |
| 13:30.02 | eitama | and uses dbus |
| 13:30.08 | timeless_mbp | toggles_w: there have been oil wells operating in the Gulf of Mexico for years |
| 13:30.19 | eitama | to make it build, i had to add /usr/include something |
| 13:30.20 | timeless_mbp | with 0 failures through 2009, [hypothetically] |
| 13:30.20 | toggles_w | lol |
| 13:30.21 | eitama | to the pro file |
| 13:30.31 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: err - no |
| 13:30.32 | timeless_mbp | toggles_w: thus, it was absolutely safe to run an oil well in 2010 |
| 13:30.34 | eitama | I didn't have to do that same for QContacts |
| 13:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: you just voided any possible ticket about app instabilities or erratic behaviour of the whole OS |
| 13:31.08 | eitama | Hmmm |
| 13:31.10 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill timeless_mbp |
| 13:31.12 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: the point stands even if the example is inaccurate |
| 13:31.17 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: what exactly do you mean I voided? |
| 13:31.18 | toggles_w | eitama: thanks |
| 13:31.20 | SpeedEvil | ah - missed that |
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| 13:32.05 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: you mean my warrenty? |
| 13:32.06 | jacekowski | X-Fade: you are running buildme from cron? |
| 13:32.07 | SpeedEvil | eitama: I think DocScrutinizer got you mixed up with overclocker guy |
| 13:32.10 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: we can change my example to say 'BP has operated' :) |
| 13:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: I mean "don't come here whining about any problem with your apps or OS or device in general" and also I'll add that to any ticket opened by you |
| 13:32.17 | X-Fade | jacekowski: yes |
| 13:32.20 | jacekowski | X-Fade: or some inotify based thingy? |
| 13:32.21 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:32.23 | SpeedEvil | ignore me |
| 13:32.25 | SpeedEvil | (about that) |
| 13:32.35 | vldcnst | brain lag again! |
| 13:32.47 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Cron, was working on inotify but that got delayed by my OBS work. |
| 13:33.01 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, ping |
| 13:33.06 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: do you mean like, don't come asking for help at a nokia service point? or at TMO? |
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| 13:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | anywhere |
| 13:33.20 | timeless_mbp | pong |
| 13:33.31 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: What do you mean "i'll add that to any ticket opened by you?" |
| 13:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | your device will start to randomly fail in weird manner |
| 13:33.43 | eitama | almost sounds like a threat |
| 13:34.21 | eitama | I really don't understand what you want, please be more precise |
| 13:34.29 | timeless_mbp | eitama: if you take a device and give it water damage |
| 13:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: "comment #2 by joerg: This ticket is based on a device known to be overclocked to 1000 for extended periods. I suggest close as INVALID" |
| 13:34.40 | timeless_mbp | and then come to me and say "i'm having trouble w/ the usb port" |
| 13:34.54 | toggles_w | timeless_mbp: did that, put mine in the washing machine, still runs, tought little bugger |
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| 13:35.13 | timeless_mbp | toggles_w: i'm pretty sure you'll find that the user guide says not to do that |
| 13:35.25 | eitama | Lets go back to point zero. |
| 13:35.28 | eitama | I opened mirc |
| 13:35.33 | toggles_w | yeah, took three days to dry out and about a month for the notification light to stop glowing |
| 13:35.38 | eitama | saw someone ask how many people are running @ 900 |
| 13:35.45 | eitama | and he also asked if there are any flaws |
| 13:35.50 | eitama | is that correct so far? |
| 13:35.56 | toggles_w | yup, was me |
| 13:36.01 | eitama | so i pointed |
| 13:36.03 | eitama | that personnaly |
| 13:36.07 | eitama | I am running at 1000 |
| 13:36.10 | eitama | and was running @ 900 |
| 13:36.13 | eitama | and i have no problems |
| 13:36.19 | eitama | I'd like to know |
| 13:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | but you WILL have |
| 13:36.25 | eitama | whats wrong with what I did - lol |
| 13:36.31 | timeless_mbp | eitama: our point is that you're probably voiding the warranty |
| 13:36.38 | eitama | I don't have warrenty anyway |
| 13:36.38 | toggles_w | not probably |
| 13:36.40 | timeless_mbp | so when you later come to a bug tracker and report a problem |
| 13:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: "comment #2 by joerg: This ticket is based on a device known to be overclocked to 1000 for extended periods. I suggest close as INVALID" |
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| 13:37.14 | eitama | Oh |
| 13:37.30 | eitama | so you mean that I shouldn't open the bugs.maemo.org anymore cause I overclock my phone? |
| 13:37.49 | timeless_mbp | you shouldn't complain about anything *anywhere* |
| 13:37.54 | pupnik_ | haha |
| 13:37.59 | eitama | lol |
| 13:38.01 | eitama | you kids |
| 13:38.05 | timeless_mbp | sorry |
| 13:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | you are on your own, as you damaged the device intentionally |
| 13:38.10 | X-Fade | eitama: reproducing bugs might be a lot harder when devices are not the same. |
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| 13:38.12 | timeless_mbp | i have a hard enough time dealing with normal users |
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| 13:38.22 | tybollt | does my phonecall end faster if I overclock? |
| 13:38.23 | tybollt | :D |
| 13:38.25 | timeless_mbp | people who intentionally damage their device do not have any right to my time |
| 13:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: basically yes |
| 13:38.52 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :D |
| 13:38.55 | timeless_mbp | and should do me and the community the courtesy of not trying to spend it |
| 13:39.04 | MohammadAG | tybollt, and the guy on the other side of the phone might implode |
| 13:39.15 | lcuk | eitama, you can open it, you can even file bugs, but when people ask if theres anything special about your phone they may not be as willing to spend time diagnosing the problem because it could be induced by out of spec hardware |
| 13:39.16 | vldcnst | einval: IIRC, the stock 600MHz is already overclocked. Clocking it beyond that will damage it in time more than you'd guess. It's a sensible chip with poor heat disspiation, and it was not designed to run at those frequencies. |
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| 13:39.32 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: we need to have dynamic overclocking so you can link it to when mum calls or whatever :) |
| 13:39.58 | MohammadAG | vldcnst, afaik the 600MHz clock speed is default |
| 13:40.20 | vldcnst | MohammadAG: I read that somewhere, I don't know exactly where tho. something about 550mhz, was in a pif. |
| 13:40.22 | vldcnst | pdf* |
| 13:40.46 | MohammadAG | not sure, *pings DocScrutinizer* |
| 13:40.56 | eitama | DocScrutinizer |
| 13:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: vldcnst: and the chip literally wears out, so you not having problems now doesn't mean you won't have any tomorrow |
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| 13:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | 600 is temporary max clock speed which the system tries to keep as short as possible afaik |
| 13:42.33 | vldcnst | einval: I suggest you google 'mtfb'. Your n900 mtfb hours are drastically being reduced by overclocking. |
| 13:42.36 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: While your point is very valid, and may also be true, there is a way of expressing your opinion/thought towards other people. You rude choosing of words bring me to a state of mind that makes me uncomfortable |
| 13:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's considered to be reliable operation but will burn out the cpu over time |
| 13:42.55 | timeless_mbp | eitama: he didn't say go to hell |
| 13:42.58 | timeless_mbp | which might be more suitable |
| 13:42.59 | tybollt | vldcnst: Mean Time Failure Between? |
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| 13:43.10 | tybollt | vldcnst: how about you get your acronyms right :) |
| 13:43.15 | vldcnst | mtbf* |
| 13:43.23 | vldcnst | tybollt: slap me. |
| 13:43.28 | eitama | I see |
| 13:43.30 | toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: wears out? due to heat? |
| 13:43.30 | eitama | ok |
| 13:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: that's been the intention, as overclockers make us all here feel same discomfort |
| 13:43.34 | tybollt | slaps vldcnst and calls him suzy |
| 13:43.44 | MohammadAG | ~electromigration |
| 13:43.51 | MohammadAG | fu infobot |
| 13:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: due to an effect known as electromigration |
| 13:44.03 | tybollt | ~MohammadAG |
| 13:44.04 | infobot | mohammadag is probably special |
| 13:44.07 | tybollt | :D |
| 13:44.14 | toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: thanks, will google |
| 13:44.18 | eitama | 1st of all, I am not overclockers. I am an overclocker, so take your hatred and direct it to where ever you want, but not to me. |
| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: wikipedia has a good article |
| 13:44.32 | lcuk | eitama, no hatred |
| 13:44.33 | MohammadAG | ~electromigration is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration |
| 13:44.34 | infobot | MohammadAG: okay |
| 13:44.38 | toggles_w | DocScrutinizer: thanks again |
| 13:44.48 | lcuk | just pointing out issues |
| 13:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: yw |
| 13:45.09 | eitama | 2nd: It may very well be, that I have never thought about the fact that my results for specific testing might be altered by me overclocking, that doesn't mean I am doing it on purpose, and nor I should suffer you tone. |
| 13:45.25 | toggles_w | so if I OC to 900 do you think my n900 will wear out before the n9 with meego arrives? |
| 13:45.35 | timeless_mbp | eitama: we do not want to suffer your complaints later |
| 13:45.47 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer and co are trying to protect me, and my fellow engineers |
| 13:45.51 | timeless_mbp | and we appreciate their efforts |
| 13:46.01 | flux | in any case, if the bug has good reproduction instructions, it will likely be verified by non-overclockers as well. if it doesn't, it will likely get ignored anyway. |
| 13:46.01 | MohammadAG | toggles_w, it might wear out in 10 minutes, today, tomorrow, next week/month/year, no one knows |
| 13:46.03 | eitama | timeless_mbp: I understand your request, but there is another manner of requesting that. |
| 13:46.05 | nidO | toggles_w, likelyhood says probably not, but then you might have the shit luck to have the device that packs up tomorrow after clocking to 900. |
| 13:46.26 | tybollt | toggles_w: I think the thing is ... "do what the fuck you want with YOUR device - just don't bother the rest of us w/ it" |
| 13:46.32 | toggles_w | dammit, might have to buy another.. |
| 13:46.46 | MohammadAG | not sure who posted the lifetimes, but they were 10 years for 500MHz, 5 years for 600 |
| 13:46.48 | MohammadAG | or so |
| 13:46.57 | toggles_w | thanks for the input guys, sorry to have turned the channel into t.m.o |
| 13:47.01 | vldcnst | MohammadAG: thats probably what I read. |
| 13:47.07 | MohammadAG | 10 years for 550* |
| 13:47.09 | timeless_mbp | toggles_w: apologies appreciated :) |
| 13:47.10 | flux | docscrutinizer, I take it this also means an owner of a second-hand n900 can never submit bug reports, because they cannot be sure the device has never been overclocked. |
| 13:47.18 | E0x | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=500800#post500800 <--- that need a gui |
| 13:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | flux: that's one of the more nasty implications of the whole fsckng OC topic, yes |
| 13:48.06 | MohammadAG | so basically, 2.5 years 650MHz, 1.25 700MHz, 0.524 years 750MHz, 0250 years 800 (rough estimates - no tests to prove them) |
| 13:48.14 | SpeedEvil | E0x: queen beecon |
| 13:48.19 | MohammadAG | 0.250* |
| 13:48.21 | X-Fade | SpComb: ok, found the problem. |
| 13:48.43 | X-Fade | SpComb: Somehow the Qt people thought it was a good idea to put the qtm libs in the sdk/tools repo. |
| 13:48.45 | flux | mohammadag, is the time for running the device continuously at that clock rate? |
| 13:48.46 | pupnik_ | MohammadAG: but the OC'd device won't be running at 900mhz all the time |
| 13:48.47 | E0x | SpeedEvil: config guy |
| 13:49.02 | MohammadAG | flux, yes |
| 13:49.13 | nidO | flux, yes, so in practical terms your usage should be much much longer |
| 13:49.24 | nidO | or itll die the first time it tries to step up to those clock speeds |
| 13:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | flux: yes |
| 13:49.33 | MohammadAG | same as LCD TVs I guess, 8000h lifetime |
| 13:49.38 | E0x | err s/guy/gui/g |
| 13:49.48 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: I am not saying your point is invalid. I am saying that if you chosen your words more wisely, for example : "eitama: Overcloking your device may produce unpredicted outcomes, if you open bugs or complain about errors, please mention that your device is overclocked, so we can take that into consideration" |
| 13:50.02 | eitama | It could have been a bit more confortable |
| 13:50.09 | eitama | I'd say, good idea |
| 13:50.11 | eitama | Will do |
| 13:50.14 | eitama | or soemthing like that |
| 13:50.15 | achipa | X-Fade: shouldn't that (qtm) be nokia apps ? |
| 13:50.30 | X-Fade | achipa: That is for the device. |
| 13:50.33 | MohammadAG | still likes infobot's overclocking definition |
| 13:50.36 | X-Fade | achipa: Not sdk. |
| 13:50.38 | MohammadAG | ~overclocking |
| 13:50.39 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 13:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: sorry, but we all are kinda fed up with the whole OC topic by now |
| 13:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: nothing personal |
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| 13:50.58 | MohammadAG | and vldcnst didn't get DocScrutinizer his coffee :) |
| 13:51.01 | SpComb | X-Fade: right, and I have the sdk/tools repos on my local build env |
| 13:51.02 | eitama | Well, it's not my fault, i didn't create, not the mod, not the package, and not the idea |
| 13:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | how true |
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| 13:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: I know |
| 13:51.34 | X-Fade | SpComb: Yeah, but obviously the builder hasn't. |
| 13:51.37 | eitama | And overclocking has not stopped me from responding on TMO, helping people out |
| 13:51.40 | eitama | many times |
| 13:51.44 | eitama | is my help also questioned? |
| 13:51.45 | X-Fade | SpComb: As it isn't supposed to. |
| 13:51.47 | eitama | cause I am overcloking? |
| 13:51.52 | SpComb | although hmm, I should probably fix my sbdmock to remove those, the example fremantle config that I found included them for whatever reason |
| 13:51.56 | MohammadAG | eitama, chill m8 |
| 13:52.01 | eitama | maybe running apt-get install (&*YIUYIUYIUY is not the right command? cause I am overclocking |
| 13:52.02 | eitama | ? |
| 13:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: and I had quite some debates with the one who did. But he claims he got the right thing, just like Smith&Wesson |
| 13:52.18 | eitama | Well, I didn't |
| 13:52.22 | eitama | I didn't claim anything |
| 13:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: it's up to the users to understand OC implications |
| 13:52.26 | eitama | so your beef is with him |
| 13:52.27 | SpComb | which kind of spoils the point in sbdmock :) |
| 13:52.28 | eitama | and not with me |
| 13:52.41 | achipa | X-Fade: but... nokia apps should still be there too, right ? is it not part of the nokia-binary-evil-whatnot-repo-group ? |
| 13:52.48 | X-Fade | achipa: no. |
| 13:52.54 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: I understand the implications that my phone may not turn on tomorrow. |
| 13:52.56 | X-Fade | achipa: nokia apps != nokia binaries. |
| 13:53.07 | X-Fade | achipa: Nokia apps is only intended to be used on device. |
| 13:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: please take my apologies for maybe insulting you or being rude. |
| 13:53.18 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: and now, I also understand that when I report a bug, it might be a side product of overclocking |
| 13:53.22 | SpComb | wonders what the proper sources.list for fremantle sbdmock is |
| 13:53.23 | MohammadAG | can we just put down the OC topic? |
| 13:53.31 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: Thank you. |
| 13:53.34 | MohammadAG | please? |
| 13:53.39 | X-Fade | achipa: So firmware + nokia-apps + ssu = sdk + nokia binaries |
| 13:53.40 | vldcnst | Coffee! |
| 13:53.52 | achipa | X-Fade: sooo THAT's why FN people wanted to push it to extras-devel... |
| 13:53.53 | MohammadAG | gets his shotgun, vldcnst where's mine! |
| 13:53.59 | X-Fade | achipa: Yes. |
| 13:54.00 | jacekowski | nah, whatever i do it fails on dependencies |
| 13:54.09 | X-Fade | achipa: Because they made a mess in the first place. |
| 13:54.15 | X-Fade | achipa: again |
| 13:54.19 | achipa | X-Fade: what else is new :) |
| 13:54.35 | eitama | And just for the record : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9442 |
| 13:54.36 | povbot | Bug 9442: Media Player volume briefly spikes up when usb cable is connected |
| 13:54.38 | eitama | reported by me |
| 13:54.46 | eitama | reproduced by other people |
| 13:54.49 | achipa | X-Fade: but fear not, more mess incoming, another team should land qtm-experimental-* stuff (if they havent already) |
| 13:54.56 | eitama | i don't see anyone asking them if they are overclocking or not |
| 13:54.59 | MohammadAG | yes, the USB cable being connected raises the CPU to 500MHz |
| 13:55.35 | X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, it is just annoying that we always have to come up with fixes. |
| 13:56.44 | X-Fade | achipa: My guess is that qtm was not really supported enough to put it in sdk, so they sneaked it in somewhere else. |
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| 13:57.29 | achipa | X-Fade: I would tend to agree with your guess :) |
| 13:57.50 | achipa | X-Fade: (but I'm not guessing, I know that for a fact ;) ) |
| 13:57.59 | MohammadAG | ponders if there is a way to disable the green text at boot up (R&D mode) - or delay the framebuffer console a bit |
| 13:58.18 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/Jdyjkdzr |
| 13:58.23 | jacekowski | that's my problem |
| 13:58.29 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 13:58.36 | jacekowski | i just realised that i pasted my key |
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| 13:58.46 | jacekowski | well, i don't care |
| 13:59.02 | X-Fade | jacekowski: Just delete the post? |
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| 13:59.21 | jacekowski | i don't think i can |
| 13:59.26 | jacekowski | besides, googling for that key |
| 13:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: please take it now that OC is a major PITA as we for damn sure will see reports about random misbehaviour that are caused by OC damaged devices. And really nobody but TI and maybe Nokia could tell for sure |
| 13:59.30 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 13:59.35 | jacekowski | About 214 results (0.22 seconds) |
| 13:59.39 | vldcnst | yells MohammadAG: don't shoot! it has your name on it, ready to be served. blame it on fedex! http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/4151/coffeeb.jpg |
| 13:59.40 | MohammadAG | is the key generator borked? |
| 13:59.42 | jacekowski | i'm not the first one to do it |
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| 13:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: that does not mean all bug reports are void from now on |
| 13:59.54 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i think everybody has the same one |
| 14:00.03 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, mine's the same... |
| 14:00.14 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: type it into google |
| 14:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | and now please listen to MohammadAG and drop that nasty topic |
| 14:00.26 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: and you will get like 10 pages of results |
| 14:00.28 | MohammadAG | shoots vldcnst's mug, LIES! |
| 14:00.37 | achipa | X-Fade: well, it has good chances for being included in the 'PE1 SDK update', whatever that is |
| 14:00.47 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, thus raising the question, <MohammadAG> is the key generator borked? |
| 14:00.52 | X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, next sdk. |
| 14:01.02 | MohammadAG | I remember it gave me different keys |
| 14:01.06 | lcuk | achipa, what are we including |
| 14:01.14 | achipa | lcuk: qtm |
| 14:01.27 | lcuk | aww vldcnst you made MohammadAG a special cup |
| 14:02.00 | lcuk | achipa, being? |
| 14:02.06 | lcuk | not the open source blogging client |
| 14:02.08 | achipa | lcuk: QtMobility |
| 14:02.12 | MohammadAG | slaps lcuk with a frals |
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| 14:02.23 | frals_ | oi im trying to work over here! |
| 14:02.25 | lcuk | makes sense then |
| 14:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: and |
| 14:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-21 15:42:54] <timeless_mbp> eitama: he didn't say go to hell |
| 14:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-21 15:42:58] <timeless_mbp> which might be more suitable |
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| 14:02.45 | lcuk | can someone in the NRC find frals and drop some extra work on his desk ;) |
| 14:03.13 | X-Fade | Ah, forgot to do that when I was there ;) |
| 14:03.14 | achipa | lcuk: except for the part of people not being able to push qtm stuff *now* :) |
| 14:03.43 | eitama | lol |
| 14:03.48 | eitama | i'm done arguing |
| 14:03.58 | MohammadAG | aww |
| 14:04.03 | MohammadAG | I haven't finished my popcorn yet |
| 14:04.07 | eitama | lol |
| 14:04.21 | frals_ | lcuk: :D |
| 14:04.52 | frals_ | lcuk: none knows where im sitting! cept valerio but hes in sweden i think :D |
| 14:05.12 | SpComb | X-Fade: why do all the fremantle sbdmock config examples I can find out there include sdk/tools in the sources.list, then? |
| 14:05.18 | lcuk | lol frals_ |
| 14:05.24 | SpComb | nobody just ever wrote a sane one? |
| 14:05.39 | MohammadAG | traces frals_'s IP |
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| 14:06.04 | frals_ | oh.. forgot to identify with nickserv before joining, doh! |
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| 14:08.41 | vldcnst | "Overclocking - make your N900 run like it should". Laugh. |
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| 14:09.39 | lcuk | vldcnst, my n900 has run like it should from day 1 |
| 14:09.48 | vldcnst | Mine too! |
| 14:09.51 | lcuk | from before day1 infact |
| 14:09.57 | lcuk | good! |
| 14:10.13 | MohammadAG | mine ran good - till yesterday |
| 14:10.22 | lcuk | what did you do? |
| 14:10.28 | vldcnst | Shotgun practice? |
| 14:10.38 | eitama | n900 fly |
| 14:10.42 | MohammadAG | not sure, but it's most probably my fault |
| 14:11.10 | MohammadAG | lcuk, load goes up randomly, I saw it was 17.00-ish yesterday |
| 14:11.41 | frals_ | hmm |
| 14:11.52 | lcuk | its always your fault, hacking is fun tho :D |
| 14:12.03 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 14:12.20 | alterego | Good point, back to hacking .. |
| 14:12.25 | lcuk | now you just have to find out what you did so no1 else has it happen to htem |
| 14:12.55 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I installed Windows 7 in qemu |
| 14:13.09 | lcuk | on device? |
| 14:13.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, you do know your app could be of other's benefit, just add an echo %s %t and make it echo the song name + artist to a file |
| 14:13.44 | MohammadAG | lcuk, yeah |
| 14:14.09 | alterego | MohammadAG: don't want to use DBUS? :P |
| 14:14.21 | lcuk | MohammadAG, well that would increase load substantially - has it finished booting up yet> |
| 14:14.24 | alterego | MohammadAG: I think, if I was going to do that, I'd probably use gconf actually ... |
| 14:14.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, your app does, why should other's :P |
| 14:14.36 | MohammadAG | gets his shotgun again |
| 14:14.40 | MohammadAG | alterego, gconf? |
| 14:14.56 | MohammadAG | lcuk, yeah, it's at "Preparing your desktop" |
| 14:15.06 | alterego | Sure, maintain mafw status in gconf is probably better than writing random strings to a file :P |
| 14:15.19 | alterego | And just as easy to poke at with gconftool-2 in scripts. |
| 14:15.21 | MohammadAG | recoils shotgun |
| 14:15.54 | alterego | I'll put it in 0.3 (next version) and document it, good call btw :P |
| 14:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: there's a lot of warnings and of explanations about OC implications all over the place, some of them quite to the point, others fuzzy and inaccurate. Now that you understood the problem with OC, you could do all fellow users a big favour and think about why you didn't run into them or were ignoring them or whatever, and then maybe fix it in a way you think it should have been so you had known about it before we ran into this little |
| 14:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | dispute here. That's obviously something quite hard to do for dudes like me who already know about all the details and can't figure what's the usual route for a 'noob' (no insult intended) to come to OC |
| 14:16.01 | MohammadAG | fires |
| 14:16.16 | lcuk | lol MohammadAG |
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| 14:17.21 | alterego | MohammadAG: okay, okay ,what if I create a fuse filesystem you can mount that has the current status of mafw as files under it, as I'd lay it out in gconf :P |
| 14:17.40 | lcuk | who (in england) is betting all the news reports about rampant foxes running wild biting people will mean fox hunting will make a big come back! |
| 14:17.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, no, write the song's name to /dev/mtd0, who needs a bootloader anyways |
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| 14:17.53 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:18.08 | MohammadAG | lcuk, me |
| 14:18.49 | lcuk | nothing like pitchforks and maining innocent children to allow savage pack of dogs and howling through the countryside on horseback |
| 14:18.53 | MohammadAG | wonders how DocScrutinizer would post 140-letter tweets |
| 14:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 14:19.33 | MohammadAG | it probably won't let you sign up anyways |
| 14:20.13 | MohammadAG | sens DocScrutinizer a facebook invitation and runs for his life |
| 14:20.16 | MohammadAG | sends* |
| 14:20.19 | vldcnst | illy = godsent. |
| 14:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | x.o -> aim and FIRE |
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| 14:22.07 | kW_ | Hello! How do I make the N900 calendar notify me some defined time before an event? |
| 14:22.10 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, didnt i see you on twitter :D |
| 14:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: nah, the irc-twitter gateway attributed to me as initiator is a hoax |
| 14:23.35 | lcuk | i would *really* like that tbh |
| 14:23.41 | marmoute | kW_: if you ask him too |
| 14:23.59 | kW_ | marmoute: how? |
| 14:24.17 | marmoute | kW_: by setting the Alarm section of the event ? |
| 14:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: dunno if it can be done. I suggest the incredible alarmed app |
| 14:25.36 | kW_ | marmoute: well, there does not seem to be any "Alarm section" of the event |
| 14:25.58 | vldcnst | Look closer. |
| 14:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: calendar just has 0, 5, 15min in advance |
| 14:26.49 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: +30min, 1h, 3h, 1d |
| 14:26.56 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: that would suffice, but in the "Edit event" dialog, I just get the fields "Title", "Where", "All day", "From", "To", "Calendar", "Description" |
| 14:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | oops, yes. had alarm time set to 25min to the future |
| 14:27.16 | marmoute | kW_: yes there is |
| 14:28.07 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: The dispute was not about me not agreeing with you about the potential problems OC might have about me reporting bugs in bugzilla, or filing a warrenty claim @ nokias. It was ONLY about the way you presented the problem before me. Thats all. Anyway, everyone has bad days, i guess today is yours, and I accept your apology. I'll take a look at the OC wiki, and I'll add a line about reporting bugs/errors. |
| 14:28.22 | vldcnst | kW_: What is between Caledan and Description? |
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| 14:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: between calendar and description there's the button for alarm |
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| 14:28.44 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: nothing |
| 14:29.12 | vldcnst | Screenshots! |
| 14:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: thanks, highly appreciated |
| 14:30.39 | kW_ | I'm just trying to produce a screenshot... |
| 14:30.56 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: Np. |
| 14:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | lol - that's funny how xchat rises a mini-dialog "are you sure" when you click the mini-closebutton on the mini-window in taskswitcher |
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| 14:32.23 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer what button? |
| 14:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: just make sure everybody understands the fact of OC permanently damaging the device, even when you haven't noticed it during the time you overclocked |
| 14:33.14 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: I'll make sure it's written :) it's not always the case though. |
| 14:33.20 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i overclocked and my eggs were never burned too much, as well i like to make coffee with my N900 (to boil water at least) |
| 14:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: taskswitcher (ctrl-bs), then click on xchat's [x] upper right |
| 14:33.24 | kW_ | how do I actually create a screenshot? Shift+Ctrl+P does not seem to work |
| 14:33.34 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i know the drum needs banging, but about 2 hours ago eitama bowed before you and you all made up :P what caused the continuing barrage? :D |
| 14:33.40 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: I had an ATI1950pro that ran at 103 Degrees Celcius Overclocked with just a fan for 2 years before it fried. |
| 14:33.51 | ZogG | kW_ have youc cheked folder for files? |
| 14:33.56 | ZogG | it's screenshot folder |
| 14:33.58 | pupnik_ | different chips behave differently |
| 14:34.00 | ZogG | afaik |
| 14:34.11 | kW_ | hmm, I think I found it :-) |
| 14:34.21 | ZogG | pupnik_ but Chip and Dale are the best |
| 14:34.44 | marmoute | ZogG: expecialy to kill dragoons |
| 14:34.47 | X-Fade | eitama: TI spec sheets state MTBF goes from years to months. |
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| 14:35.21 | X-Fade | Pretty sure TI doesn't want to lie to people buying milions of their cpus :) |
| 14:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'm not arguing with eitama any longer. I just asked him to improve the wiki or whatever he sees would need it, so other users don't run into the same |
| 14:36.36 | lcuk | indeed |
| 14:36.42 | kW_ | screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/ffGEIQD.html |
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| 14:37.22 | eitama | X-Fade: MTBF ? |
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| 14:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: ctrl-sh-p works usually great for me. You just need to find the screenshot file |
| 14:37.38 | eitama | Minimum Time Before Fry? |
| 14:37.38 | madduck | is there an ssh-agent for the n900 that i just cannot find? |
| 14:37.39 | eitama | (: |
| 14:37.52 | eitama | madduck: you mean client? |
| 14:37.54 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: well, I found it :-) |
| 14:37.57 | eitama | madduck: open-ssh |
| 14:37.59 | madduck | eitama: no, agent. auth agent. |
| 14:38.03 | madduck | ssh-agent |
| 14:38.08 | eitama | madduck: Can't help ya (: |
| 14:38.10 | vldcnst | kW_: have you tried changing the day of the alarm? |
| 14:38.15 | vldcnst | kW_: or the hour. |
| 14:38.17 | kW_ | vldcnst: yes |
| 14:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: yep, I'm lagging. Busy unpacking a package from HEL :-)) |
| 14:38.33 | kW_ | vldcnst: well, the day of the event |
| 14:38.38 | vldcnst | kW_: weird. |
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| 14:39.33 | kW_ | yes, weird |
| 14:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: OC damage on OMAP isn't due to overtemp (though high temp helps in making the effect worse). You can create partial shortcircuit in a single transistor of the CPU by OC even when you freeze the device and keep the SoC at <0°C. It's called electromigration and it's a nonreversible slowly building up effect |
| 14:40.56 | kW_ | I think I got it |
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| 14:41.09 | kW_ | when changing the day of the event, I just changed the end-date |
| 14:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | and the "big" processors are less prone to it than our OMAP SoC |
| 14:41.20 | kW_ | and alarms are only offered when the event is in the future from the phone's POV |
| 14:41.33 | vldcnst | kW_: yup. |
| 14:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: makes sense :-P |
| 14:42.34 | eitama | DocScrutinzer: I see. TBH, i bought my N900 from a dude who bought it in NY City, he didn't like that the phone was rebooting every 5 min, so he sold it after 1 week. He bought it in NY, and flew to Israel, so he couldn't have it serviced. Anyways, I updated it to PR1.1.1 reflashed and everything was solved. BUT, therefore, I have no warrenty |
| 14:42.53 | eitama | DocScrutinizer, So i don't care about warrenty as I don't have it anyway, now : |
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| 14:43.26 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: the phone UI for me, when not overclocked is just SLOW, choppy and not fun. I don't enjoy it, at least not when compared to my girlfriends IPhone - But I don't want an Iphone |
| 14:43.44 | vldcnst | ow the I word, run. |
| 14:43.46 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: So, I OC it, when it fries, i'll just buy a new phone. let it be MeeGo, or Maemo |
| 14:45.17 | eitama | lol |
| 14:45.41 | eitama | The worst part, is when she plays angrybirds levels that I can't play (; |
| 14:46.52 | SpeedEvil | Keep at it! |
| 14:47.01 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 14:47.07 | SpeedEvil | I thought you meant due to skill |
| 14:47.08 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
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| 14:57.24 | merlin1991 | hm and again I'm here with a strange problem, In the media play app I don't have the vhf transmitter option |
| 14:57.27 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: Ping |
| 14:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:57.37 | merlin1991 | could that have something todo with running 1.2? |
| 14:57.51 | eitama | Would you read what I added? fix anything if needed? |
| 14:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: of course |
| 14:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | URL? |
| 14:58.07 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Overclocking.2C_bugzilla_.26_errors |
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| 14:59.32 | merlin1991 | meant the fm transmitter |
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| 15:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | eitama: sounds perfect to me :-) |
| 15:00.19 | eitama | DocScrutinizer: Goody. |
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| 15:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: fine. devices arrived |
| 15:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: thanks mate, for taking care about it |
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| 15:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | seems now it's time to send in my own N900 to let Nokia repair the power button they broke during last repair |
| 15:05.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why don't you join twitter |
| 15:06.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sue |
| 15:07.19 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, took long enough. ;) |
| 15:07.25 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, and no problem |
| 15:07.41 | GAN900 | Gotta do something to offset the negativity. *g* |
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| 15:09.07 | insanefaka | so what do people think about meego? seems like a slap to the developes face who invested in n900 |
| 15:10.36 | insanefaka | anybody here? |
| 15:11.02 | toggles_w | is it more than just a recompile to go to meego? |
| 15:11.02 | insanefaka | knock knock |
| 15:11.23 | insanefaka | its a pain in the ass to recompile shit |
| 15:12.03 | MiXu- | If you wrote something on Qt for N900 I think it should run on MeeGo without any problems. |
| 15:12.23 | insanefaka | who knows next year nokia will introduce yet another os |
| 15:12.23 | MiXu- | I don't know if you even need to recompile |
| 15:12.36 | MiXu- | insanefaka: What's the problem? |
| 15:12.37 | insanefaka | and another and another and another |
| 15:12.49 | alterego | New UI is coming on nicely. |
| 15:12.53 | insanefaka | MiXu: with what mate? |
| 15:12.55 | frals | loves how we are getting new trolls everyday |
| 15:13.14 | lcuk | frals, well nokia DID buy trolltech :p |
| 15:13.23 | frals | lcuk: :D |
| 15:13.25 | MiXu- | insanefaka: Qt stuff runs just as fine on Maemo 5 as it does on Harmattan |
| 15:13.30 | insanefaka | why should i developer like me invest in n900? tell me |
| 15:13.41 | frals | lcuk: im going to sign apartment papers tomorrow most likely \o/ |
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| 15:13.44 | MiXu- | ...and then next MeeGo |
| 15:13.48 | toggles_w | alterego: link to pics ;-) |
| 15:13.56 | merlin1991 | is thare any other way to enable the fm transmitter besides using the fmtx-faker package? |
| 15:13.57 | lcuk | awesome frals |
| 15:14.06 | alterego | toggles_w: I said it's coming along nicely, didn't say it was finished :P |
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| 15:14.12 | toggles_w | lol |
| 15:14.14 | MiXu- | insanefaka: Either your trolling or you don't even try to think for yourself. |
| 15:14.18 | alterego | toggles_w: though, it will probably be done in about 20 minutes or so. |
| 15:14.19 | MiXu- | *you're |
| 15:14.26 | alterego | Just placing my "Donate" button ;) |
| 15:14.32 | insanefaka | i aint trolling |
| 15:14.41 | toggles_w | lol |
| 15:15.00 | toggles_w | alterego: ^-- was for you |
| 15:15.01 | MiXu- | Well then tell me what's the problem? You compile once and the shit runs on N900 and the next armel MeeGo device |
| 15:15.19 | alterego | :) |
| 15:15.27 | insanefaka | what about multitiuch and other shit meego will have? |
| 15:15.39 | insanefaka | yourr |
| 15:15.52 | insanefaka | your recompiling idea is fucked |
| 15:16.01 | frals | err |
| 15:16.05 | MiXu- | insanefaka: I didn't even say anything about recompiling. |
| 15:16.16 | insanefaka | some1 did |
| 15:16.16 | frals | ofc you have to change stuff if you want to add features to your application |
| 15:16.40 | MiXu- | And you gotta recompile anyway every time you make a change |
| 15:17.00 | frals | insanefaka: what kind of developing experience do you have? |
| 15:17.11 | MiXu- | I suppose you were planning on making one perfect release and never have to recompile anything ever again. |
| 15:17.50 | insanefaka | frals: very extensive, right now i see maemo as a dead horse |
| 15:18.28 | frals | any examples? |
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| 15:19.41 | frals | since you seems to have missed that qt is probably what you are looking for in terms of code once deploy everywhere (obviously with exceptions) from what ive gathered |
| 15:19.42 | insanefaka | cant share here |
| 15:20.15 | MiXu- | Maemo is pretty much a dead horse in a way. No new releases. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't develop SW on N900, as it'll work on the next MeeGo Handheld device(s). If you want multitouch then that you'll need to wait. But I don't see the problem in that. |
| 15:20.17 | lcuk | insanefaka thats unusual for people not to be able to share some things they done |
| 15:20.18 | insanefaka | that dont make sense |
| 15:20.27 | lcuk | especially since maemo is about open source and open projects ;) |
| 15:20.56 | insanefaka | maemo open source? dont make me laugh |
| 15:21.08 | Surfa | you shouldn't be able to add multitouch and new features later on if you implement wisely |
| 15:21.11 | n900-dk | MohammadAG: Shouldn't the LEDs flash all the time the KnightRider music is playing for your KR.py script? (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52239) |
| 15:21.25 | Surfa | so n900 should be good to go as a dev platform for meego |
| 15:21.33 | insanefaka | Xsu |
| 15:21.42 | insanefaka | Surfa: NO ! |
| 15:21.43 | trip0 | Surfa, so we hear... |
| 15:22.10 | lcuk | insanefaka, there seems to be quite a lot of things here: http://maemo.gitorious.org/ |
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| 15:22.43 | lcuk | but anyway - you are the one coming here being rather obtuse - frals asked a perfectly valid question |
| 15:23.08 | lcuk | you made a statement and he enquired further to continue the discussion :) |
| 15:23.17 | frals | insanefaka: i suggest you look at qt, seems to be what you are after |
| 15:24.18 | MiXu- | As such, writing programs in Qt doesn't even bind you to N900 or anything else for that matter. |
| 15:24.59 | MiXu- | I've started programming my Qt apps as "windows apps" |
| 15:25.07 | MiXu- | And later tweaked the UI to fit N900 |
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| 15:25.46 | alterego | I just ssh into my device and code using gedit on my laptop, saving it to the device and running it from the console :) |
| 15:26.02 | alterego | Unless I use the Nokia SDK, which does a similar thing but with a build phase and pretty good automation. |
| 15:26.22 | lcuk | alterego, i did that for ages :) |
| 15:26.36 | MiXu- | The SDK is nice, but MADDE doesn't support external libraries, and that pretty much kills it for me at this point. |
| 15:26.38 | lcuk | it only gets hairy when you want same code on multi devices at same time |
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| 15:27.06 | MiXu- | That better be something that's "coming soon" |
| 15:27.07 | alterego | lcuk: yeah, works really good for Python development, though I think you're talking about C aren't you :P |
| 15:27.10 | alterego | sadist :P |
| 15:27.31 | lcuk | indeed - same mentality for dev but optimal speed :P |
| 15:27.55 | frals | python über alles! ;) |
| 15:28.19 | lcuk | dumps an ocean worth of trout on frals |
| 15:28.31 | frals | :D |
| 15:29.12 | achipa | frals: is that German for 'python FTW' ? :P |
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| 15:29.20 | merlin1991 | achipa yes |
| 15:29.34 | merlin1991 | just got his 10th beep battery low message from his fresh replaced n900, lol |
| 15:29.58 | lcuk | my n900 gives up warning me about battery low once i start writing on it |
| 15:30.06 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 15:30.14 | alterego | wires up his signals and sluts |
| 15:30.17 | alterego | I mean .. slots ... |
| 15:30.41 | chem|st | achipa: more like "python to rule the world" |
| 15:30.44 | achipa | MiXu-: there is a tendency to think about Qt on mobiles as a complete environment, I doubt there will ever be serious support for external libs |
| 15:30.54 | merlin1991 | I had that with my old n900 too, the first time I did let it run empty I got the battery low msgs way too early, but after that it knew when to spam me :) |
| 15:31.01 | alterego | Stupd bloody python .. |
| 15:31.20 | alterego | I can't believe that their lambda's don't have proper closure properties in a for loop :( |
| 15:31.23 | chem|st | alterego: right! |
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| 15:31.40 | evilrob | python -- whitespace for code block separation... this is not cobol |
| 15:32.09 | alterego | Syntax doesn't bother me, but some things it does are just dumb. |
| 15:32.26 | alterego | Ruby is sooo much nicer :( |
| 15:32.47 | alterego | Well, beggers can't be choosers (he says as he connects his donate button to paypal) |
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| 15:33.21 | MiXu- | achipa: That's too bad. Try writing an app that displays PDFs with Qt without using an external lib. You'll be reinventing the wheel. |
| 15:33.41 | achipa | chem|st, merlin1991 : I know, I was translating to slang. My German is bad (Tarzan Deutsch am besten), but I do get the grasp (vielen Dank fur Trek auf RTL :) ) |
| 15:34.36 | achipa | MiXu-: poppler, eh ? |
| 15:34.55 | chem|st | achipa: hehe "python FTW" is actually right but historical set its "to rule the world" |
| 15:36.54 | alterego | Well, it was solved by explicitly creating a stack frame inside my for loop, stupid python .. |
| 15:38.21 | alterego | Now, even though I'm adding support for internet radio, and videos. Well, internet raido is easy, but videos don't have metadata in tracker :/ |
| 15:39.49 | alterego | Just gonna have to use the file name - dirname and extension me thinks. |
| 15:40.00 | pupnik_ | "tarzan deutsch" LOL |
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| 15:41.52 | merlin1991 | hm my n900 is still running xD |
| 15:43.04 | achipa | pupnik_: never did a proper effort to memorize der/die/das and corresponding grammar so my German sentences are just a bunch of words except for a few common phrases (to make things worse, even those are mostly based on Star Trek :D ) |
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| 15:44.58 | merlin1991 | is it possible that with pr 1.2 the fm transmitter is disabled in general? |
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| 15:45.11 | merlin1991 | because I don't even have a settings panel that tells me it's disabled |
| 15:45.58 | achipa | merlin1991: which region ? Germany should have it, AFAIK |
| 15:46.05 | merlin1991 | austria |
| 15:46.07 | merlin1991 | should have it too |
| 15:46.28 | achipa | aye |
| 15:47.27 | merlin1991 | well I had to send my original device to nokia since it was broken and got a replacement, who knows what region it thinks it is from |
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| 15:51.04 | merlin1991 | btw it's still running, I had 3 more warning beeps, and it's playing mp3s all the time |
| 15:51.10 | SpeedEvil | merlin:in that case, it probably is disabled for your region. |
| 15:51.14 | microlith | why yes, nokiausa, I will review the device I never got from you |
| 15:51.16 | microlith | chuckles |
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| 15:52.17 | merlin1991 | well I'll try the fmtx-faker as soon as the battery has died out and I load it again |
| 15:52.51 | timeless_mbp | microlith: details? |
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| 15:53.26 | microlith | oh they think that my orders with them back in november->december actually went through, instead of being rejected without explanation |
| 15:53.50 | microlith | ended up going with Newegg |
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| 15:58.27 | merlin1991 | I want to implement another protocol for the conversation and contacts system (like the msn stuff,...) but I would need a slight hint to some documentation about the c&c itself :) |
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| 16:03.33 | alterego | merlin1991: you actually need to read up on Telepathy |
| 16:03.59 | alterego | merlin1991: Conversations uses a system called Telepathy for IM accounts. |
| 16:04.06 | alterego | It's clever like that :D |
| 16:04.39 | merlin1991 | well I got so far to know that, but then there was a certain lack of easy to find documaentation about telepathy, at least for me |
| 16:04.42 | n900-dk | How do I make mediaplayer start playing the last played media from commandline? As in pressing play on the mediaplayer-widget |
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| 16:06.17 | MiXu- | achipa: Yes, poppler is an external library, no? :) |
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| 16:06.46 | alterego | n900-dk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Play_what.27s_currently_selected |
| 16:06.58 | alterego | merlin1991: Do you understand how Telepathy works? |
| 16:07.20 | merlin1991 | not yet since I found nothing to read for myself |
| 16:07.27 | dr34m | guys anybody using this pelota thing? stopped working today .. i restart it and get like 2min. the results than it stops and says 'no games today' |
| 16:07.28 | dr34m | :( |
| 16:07.35 | alterego | merlin1991: then check out the Telepathy documentation, on the Telepathy website. |
| 16:07.44 | n900-dk | alterego: great, thx! |
| 16:07.54 | alterego | np |
| 16:08.07 | Robot101 | merlin1991: also #telepathy on this network |
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| 16:08.22 | merlin1991 | thx Robot101 |
| 16:10.05 | merlin1991 | finally the phone died |
| 16:10.27 | MiXu- | Hmm... I suppose I could just compile poppler along with my app. |
| 16:12.59 | alterego | MiXu-: you'll need to find a way to do that and not screw up the builder if you plan to push to extras :) |
| 16:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | hi Robot101 o/ :-) |
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| 16:18.14 | Robot101 | merlin1991: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org - http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/ |
| 16:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, Version:1.2009.42-11 on this fresh device. Seems I should try an OTA upgrade immediately |
| 16:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | never realyized the firstrun settings wizard was SO fancy |
| 16:22.58 | bigon | mmmm did other ppl saw an global issue with application using curl when a host name has both A and AAAA records? |
| 16:23.34 | bigon | I've found this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943 but not sure if it's using libcurl too |
| 16:23.35 | povbot | Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses |
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| 16:28.54 | insanefaka | i'm getting bored of n900.... fuck linux |
| 16:29.05 | insanefaka | open source my ass |
| 16:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | insanefaka: that's starting to get a bit too much trolling now |
| 16:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | insanefaka: if you're bored about N900, so why share with us? |
| 16:29.59 | insanefaka | expressing my opinion |
| 16:30.16 | insanefaka | it's a free society aint it? |
| 16:30.27 | pupnik | it isn't |
| 16:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | opinions are like asholes, everybody got one |
| 16:30.43 | insanefaka | pupnik: oh no? |
| 16:31.10 | pupnik | quite |
| 16:31.42 | insanefaka | pupnik: well to me it is |
| 16:31.58 | bigon | well and a irc is not a democracy it's a moderatocracy (like forums) |
| 16:32.22 | pupnik | we're trying to make it freer. thatps part of what motivates open-source |
| 16:32.30 | insanefaka | bigon: please check the definition of "forum" in a dictionary |
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| 16:33.09 | insanefaka | "forum" does not imply a closed conversation between like minded people |
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| 16:35.11 | insanefaka | everytime somebody has a different opinion from yours you can't just say "troll"....it's a fucking weak argument, no? |
| 16:35.26 | alterego | troll |
| 16:35.34 | pupnik | ^^ |
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| 16:35.42 | insanefaka | alterego: troll you |
| 16:35.50 | pupnik | plonk |
| 16:35.53 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | I just say "BORING, INPRODUCTIVE" |
| 16:36.22 | E0x | insanefaka: true but say that you are bored of the n900 and linux sux is a weak opinion too and should keep it for ur self |
| 16:36.26 | alterego | Well, you've gone from one rather pointless and uninformed discussion to another. |
| 16:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 16:36.48 | vldcnst | Smells like a troll to me. |
| 16:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 16:36.55 | vldcnst | syn |
| 16:36.56 | insanefaka | you have to listen to other opinions in order to expand your knowledge...spending time in a love fest with other like minded people is called regression, no? |
| 16:37.08 | alterego | insanefaka: right now, being here, what exactly are you trying to acheive? Be honest now .. |
| 16:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG, my knowledge expanded beyond all limits by learning yu're bored by N900 |
| 16:37.32 | RST38h | insanefaka: And, closer to the point, what are you wearing, pretty? |
| 16:37.32 | E0x | insanefaka: opinion without facts are not useful |
| 16:37.48 | insanefaka | alterego: honest? i'm pissed at the liers |
| 16:38.07 | alterego | insanefaka: and you thought you'd air that here? We're not really interested. |
| 16:38.28 | alterego | insanefaka: So, who lied to you? |
| 16:38.35 | insanefaka | I'm trying to open your minds cause your part of the problem |
| 16:38.51 | RST38h | insanefaka: Yet, you refuse to tell what you are wearing |
| 16:39.01 | alterego | insanefaka: that's a rather unkind statement, you don't know us. |
| 16:39.14 | lcuk | insanefaka, open mind towards what - you wont tell us what you do or why its better |
| 16:39.22 | insanefaka | i do know you |
| 16:39.37 | alterego | insanefaka: you're an idiot, that's all I know about you. |
| 16:39.46 | alterego | insanefaka: now what do you know about me? |
| 16:39.50 | insanefaka | i was a contributing member of this once long ago vibrant community |
| 16:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | is close to decide insanefaka either not passed the turing test or qualified in a plethora of other reasons for a kickban |
| 16:40.15 | vldcnst | What frequency did it vibrate at? |
| 16:40.20 | pupnik | have any of you tried that motorola phone with android and keyboard? keyboard seems nice but the dpad looks annoying |
| 16:40.32 | alterego | insanefaka: well, forgive me if I'm wrong, but your attitude suggest you're not a contributing type. |
| 16:40.48 | insanefaka | pupnik: it's miles away ahead of n900 |
| 16:41.05 | valdyn | pupnik: milestone keyboard is lame |
| 16:41.14 | alterego | insanefaka: okay, so you're an android fanboy? |
| 16:41.26 | insanefaka | altergo: negative |
| 16:41.38 | insanefaka | alterego: negative boy |
| 16:41.40 | alterego | insanefaka: just anti maemo |
| 16:41.49 | valdyn | pupnik: and theres plenty better android phones, however none with physical keyboard I think |
| 16:41.59 | insanefaka | alterego: anti deceit and lies |
| 16:42.07 | pupnik | interesting ty valdyn |
| 16:42.33 | valdyn | pupnik: so if you wanted android and a physical keyboard its probably not to bad |
| 16:42.50 | insanefaka | android is ahead of the game |
| 16:42.52 | alterego | insanefaka: you're not being straight with us, you're just being argumentative, if you actually told us what was wrong, maybe we could help. But you're just trying to pick fights. You've not even used your real nick, that is, if you really were a "contributing" member of our community at one time. |
| 16:42.52 | pupnik | it seems the android phone vendors are sucking with updates atm |
| 16:43.16 | insanefaka | alterego: i cant reveal |
| 16:43.19 | valdyn | insanefaka: zealotry is off topic, no matter which phone you want to talk about |
| 16:43.39 | insanefaka | valdyn: i'm no zealot |
| 16:43.54 | valdyn | insanefaka: you only talk like one |
| 16:44.06 | insanefaka | valdyn: negative |
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| 16:44.35 | insanefaka | 1.2 is a regression. period. end of discussion. |
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| 16:45.17 | bigon | insanefaka: let's try again, what in the 1.2 update made you think that there are regressions? |
| 16:45.45 | insanefaka | bigon: overall lack of responssivness |
| 16:45.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | bigon: he said 'end of discussion'. I tend to fulfill his wish |
| 16:46.10 | insanefaka | bigon: broken media player widget |
| 16:46.29 | insanefaka | bigon: shall i go on? |
| 16:46.39 | bigon | insanefaka: did you opened bugs? |
| 16:46.42 | insanefaka | bigon: worse battery life |
| 16:46.44 | alterego | insanefaka: media widget is working for me, are you sure there's not something else that is wrong? |
| 16:46.48 | valdyn | I find it more responsive |
| 16:47.02 | Venemo | alterego: hi! |
| 16:47.02 | alterego | insanefaka: most people have said the opposite in regards to responsiveness and battery life. |
| 16:47.07 | alterego | Ello Venemo :) |
| 16:47.11 | Venemo | alterego: can I PM you? |
| 16:47.17 | insanefaka | bigon: pardon my language but fuck opening bugs nokia doesnt give a fuck about |
| 16:47.19 | alterego | Venemo: of course |
| 16:48.07 | insanefaka | 1.2 is a disaster... n900 being resetted every couple of days |
| 16:48.28 | nidO | its all so clear now, nokia should use their super psycic magic 8-ball to find out about problems you and basically no-one else is having |
| 16:48.37 | alterego | insanefaka: Nokia are a large company, this is not something that is completely un-expected, if you have issue with them, why don't you go and tell them? |
| 16:48.50 | nidO | being as almost everyone reports much better responsiveness and increased battery life after 1.2 |
| 16:49.18 | alterego | I have heard that the media widget breaks fora few people, but I use it all the time and it works fine for me .. |
| 16:49.23 | E0x | i have 2 days of uptime |
| 16:49.25 | E0x | in my n900 |
| 16:49.30 | E0x | err 3 days |
| 16:49.41 | alterego | Mine just restarted because the battery died. |
| 16:49.43 | insanefaka | EOx: bullshit |
| 16:49.47 | alterego | But it was doing pretty well before then :) |
| 16:49.49 | bigon | alterego: the media widget seems broken here |
| 16:49.49 | E0x | maybe your n900 have some hardware problem |
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| 16:50.00 | E0x | manufacture problem |
| 16:50.15 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, you and andre__. That's not how you use "tend". :P |
| 16:50.16 | valdyn | theres *some* actual problem with larger uptime and responsiveness |
| 16:50.21 | alterego | insanefaka: your language doesn't help you sound particularly mature you realise this? |
| 16:50.22 | valdyn | but thats not worse than older firmware |
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| 16:50.34 | lcuk | insanefaka, :) its entirely feasible you can run your n900 down in no time - anyone can, i think we worked out at max burn battery can be drained in less than 2 hours |
| 16:50.38 | insanefaka | I'm on my 4th N900, I'm losing patience |
| 16:50.55 | lcuk | what are you getting instead? |
| 16:51.01 | alterego | insanefaka: I don't believe you, but I'll give you the benifit of the doubt. |
| 16:51.05 | lcuk | anything to replace it? |
| 16:51.40 | insanefaka | 1st N900 - screen died, 2nd N900 usb broke, 3rd N900 lose slider |
| 16:51.57 | insanefaka | get your shit together n900 lovders ! |
| 16:51.58 | valdyn | insanefaka: maybe you should treat a phone more carefully |
| 16:52.12 | alterego | insanefaka: so it's our fault you're unlucky? pahahaha |
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| 16:52.41 | lcuk | insanefaka, come now - you have so far had a laundry list of bitching complaints that started a couple of hours ago |
| 16:52.49 | lcuk | just get yourself a new platform and move on |
| 16:52.49 | insanefaka | paint wearing off keypad... kickstand lose....on and on and fucking on |
| 16:53.15 | pupnik | effective troll there |
| 16:53.17 | alterego | insanefaka: well, that's what you get for requesting a tighter slide :P |
| 16:53.33 | lcuk | sure - dedicated ill give him that |
| 16:53.49 | insanefaka | I'm fucking frustrated |
| 16:53.57 | alterego | insanefaka: have a wank, usually sorts me out. |
| 16:54.05 | lcuk | TMI |
| 16:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | insanefaka: you've been warned, kicked, and banned several times during the last few months about your trolling in here |
| 16:54.22 | insanefaka | alterego: i'm a woman |
| 16:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely last warning |
| 16:54.37 | insanefaka | sorry guys |
| 16:54.40 | alterego | insanefaka: again, I don't believe you. |
| 16:55.06 | insanefaka | I'm fucken confused |
| 16:55.30 | lcuk | insanefaka, you said earlier that you are a software developer who makes lots of stuff - have you made any maemo apps |
| 16:57.18 | alterego | lcuk: he said he was a "contributer" earlier :) |
| 16:57.23 | alterego | Some time ago, |
| 16:57.28 | alterego | Before women were invented |
| 16:58.30 | flailingmonkey | I like the proactive steps being taken about t.m.o |
| 16:58.48 | DocScrutinizer | which are...? |
| 16:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | shut it down? :-P |
| 16:59.19 | flailingmonkey | insanefaka: I'm sorry you have had so much trouble with your N900s. I can only report that I haven't been as unfortunate as you have. |
| 16:59.40 | lcuk | mr bump hasnt been as unfortunate as him |
| 17:00.27 | lcuk | are any of the bluetooth heart monitors also capable of blood alcohol monitoring |
| 17:01.16 | lcuk | like the anklet thing lindsey lohan has |
| 17:01.51 | frals | lol |
| 17:01.57 | lcuk | SCRAM! |
| 17:01.57 | flailingmonkey | I want to see some celebs side-talking with an N900 |
| 17:02.30 | crope | insanefaka: usb connector breaks off? thats know hw design big... |
| 17:02.31 | flailingmonkey | have to use speaker phone but should be doable |
| 17:02.32 | crope | bug |
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| 17:02.55 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, im seriously more interested in a star trek communicator doofer |
| 17:03.08 | flailingmonkey | doofer? |
| 17:03.10 | alterego | New UI: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/Screenshot-20100621-175951.png |
| 17:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | crope: sorry but no. That's a fabrication bug mostly found on some preseries devices |
| 17:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | crope: no design bug |
| 17:03.40 | lcuk | kickass alterego \o |
| 17:03.46 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: regarding my t.m.o comment, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56702 |
| 17:03.55 | alterego | thanks lcuk :) |
| 17:04.18 | flailingmonkey | alterego: looks sexy |
| 17:04.33 | lcuk | alterego, you shouldnt have donate button though. you need "send appreciation via karaoke |
| 17:04.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:05.08 | flailingmonkey | donate button is unfortunate but exists due to lack of better alternative :-p |
| 17:05.09 | lcuk | does that update to twitter? |
| 17:05.26 | alterego | lcuk: no, I could add that if you wanted me to. |
| 17:05.48 | alterego | By writing a Telepathy twitter iface. |
| 17:05.57 | alterego | Which is probably a good idea anyway. |
| 17:06.01 | lcuk | what would i have to sing you to get that? :P |
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| 17:07.36 | alterego | I'll put it in the road map for 0.4 :P |
| 17:09.01 | alterego | I'd do one for facebook, but that'd just annoy the scht out of people :) |
| 17:09.48 | alterego | 0.4 will be a big feature release though, with twitter telepathy plugin (though that'll be a seperate project) and a youtube video finding and facebook posting facility. |
| 17:10.33 | alterego | So, when you hear a song you really like, you can hit a button and it'll get you the youtube video and share it on facebook. |
| 17:11.59 | Arkenoi | pupnik: actually exactly the opposite thing: dpad is great but droid keyboard sucks. |
| 17:12.08 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: hmmm on that. WTF? no ban me |
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| 17:15.18 | E0x | alterego: that is carbon theme ? |
| 17:15.24 | E0x | at the shot |
| 17:15.37 | alterego | E0x: indeed. |
| 17:16.09 | E0x | ok |
| 17:16.09 | E0x | thx |
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| 17:21.26 | alterego | Thank god for that :) I think he got the message :) |
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| 17:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: :-) |
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| 17:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: what exactly is your comment? which number in t=56702? |
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| 17:27.31 | crope | btw. I tried to connect my old Nokia 770 via bluetooth N900 without success... |
| 17:28.15 | crope | all my other phones connects just fine to internet from 770 bluetooth |
| 17:29.35 | Arkenoi | iirc there was bt tethering package, i guess it adds some profiles |
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| 17:30.34 | crope | Arkenoi: you mean it was due to missing profile (DUN??)? |
| 17:30.57 | RST38h | It enabled DUN |
| 17:30.59 | wolf^ | alterego, what theme are you using? |
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| 17:31.34 | lcuk | crope, surfing on you 770 using n900 as modem? :D |
| 17:31.42 | crope | lcuk: yeah |
| 17:31.56 | RST38h | Oh man, this Flandry guy obviously has not done his required Lord of the Flies reading |
| 17:31.57 | crope | lcuk: since 700 does not have gsm/umts connection... |
| 17:32.01 | lcuk | crope, when you get it working can we have some pictures |
| 17:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 17:32.05 | RST38h | Or maybe he simply has not understood... |
| 17:33.07 | crope | lcuk: have you ever used Nokia 770? There is no SIM-card, only Bluetooth and WLAN are possible |
| 17:33.53 | lcuk | crope, you could feasibly have been using your 770 as a gateway to wifi internet.. just good to see still in action |
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| 17:35.07 | crope | lcuk: wifi seems to be broken, I just installed OS2008 hackers edition and I am willing to use that device as OBD diagnistics. Carman... |
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| 17:35.42 | crope | oooowww, now wifi is working :D |
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| 17:35.57 | lcuk | :D crope |
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| 17:36.49 | crope | and not now anymore. only gprs connection :[ and Nokia 770 is veeeery slow. N900 is much better |
| 17:37.17 | pupnik | browsing web feels painfully slow on n810 now |
| 17:37.27 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: sorry, my comment was in IRC, that I approve of the changes to policy, and how the decision making is being done in the open |
| 17:37.55 | flailingmonkey | crope: someone was working on getting carman working for N900 |
| 17:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | aah, ok. |
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| 17:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: I somewhat share RST38h POV though |
| 17:39.10 | flailingmonkey | what is RST38h's POV? |
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| 17:40.09 | RST38h | flailing: There is a dangerous busybody in that thread, using his moderatorial privileges to boss people around |
| 17:40.28 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, pictures of the new baby? ?P |
| 17:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | sure. You really want? |
| 17:41.53 | RST38h | flailing: Among other things, he is trying to make it look like his proposed "rules" have wide public support |
| 17:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | maybe later. had no brweakfast or other decent meal for 72h |
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| 17:42.55 | RST38h | flailing: My suggested remedy would be to feed him shit, collectively, until he bursts. But that is unlikely to happen, due to the current lack of community spirit. |
| 17:43.20 | Mousey | rah rah rah |
| 17:43.39 | flailingmonkey | which one is the busy body |
| 17:43.57 | flailingmonkey | ah, Flandry? |
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| 17:49.07 | flailingmonkey | RST38h: why not opposed the proposed rules? so far I see discussion in the thread, but no disagreement |
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| 17:49.16 | flailingmonkey | s/opposed/oppose/ |
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| 17:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: tbh I couldn't care less about tmo |
| 17:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, cya |
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| 17:51.47 | lardman | hey chaps |
| 17:51.55 | lardman | bye DocScrutinizer assuming you're off |
| 17:52.12 | flailingmonkey | lardman: ahoy |
| 17:52.22 | lardman | flailingmonkey: there! |
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| 17:53.25 | RST38h | flailing: he has the standard response to opposition |
| 17:53.42 | GAN900 | I don't see much to quibble with |
| 17:53.45 | lardman | hey RST38h |
| 17:53.51 | RST38h | flailing: "What part of the rules you do not agree with? You do not agree with the whole thing? This is not constructive criticism, go away." |
| 17:53.55 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 17:54.02 | lardman | and GAN900, ah good to see all the old faces, where's Jaffa these days? |
| 17:54.05 | alterego | Doc is turning into GAN :P |
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| 17:54.24 | flailingmonkey | maemofication |
| 17:54.34 | lardman | alterego: ah, but what is GAN900 turning into then...? |
| 17:54.39 | flailingmonkey | like mummification |
| 17:54.49 | lardman | brain removed through nose? |
| 17:54.59 | RST38h | OSSification |
| 17:55.05 | lardman | sounds more like tmo-ification ;) |
| 17:55.45 | alterego | GAN900 has always been in a league of his own |
| 17:55.49 | GAN900 | lardman, a frog? |
| 17:56.10 | GAN900 | Is that the special kind? :P |
| 17:56.22 | lardman | :) |
| 17:56.22 | alterego | Hah |
| 17:56.45 | flailingmonkey | RST38h: saying that you disagree with the "whole thing" might be your opinion, but that doesn't really articulate the reasons for that opinion |
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| 17:57.53 | RST38h | flailing: Instituting these rules will let their creator satisfy his petty governance desires, at the expense of the freedom of speech for us all |
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| 17:58.12 | flailingmonkey | for example, a bunch of the policy items are from the current policy |
| 17:58.55 | RST38h | flailing: Of course, why not |
| 17:59.42 | flailingmonkey | if you really mean that we should have no policy, and have no restrictions on any postings at all on t.m.o, then thats a position I am sure some also hold |
| 17:59.54 | RST38h | Anyway, I have got some popcorn and expect to see this particular drama to its logical conclusion |
| 18:00.27 | RST38h | flailing: It is perfectly ok to have a simple technical policy (no ads, no spam, etc) |
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| 18:01.55 | RST38h | flailing: Elaborate policies with complex rules, allowing for wide interpretation, the system of points and punishments, etc are characteristic for very special forms of governance though |
| 18:02.11 | flailingmonkey | and should that policy define the mechanisms for enforcing that policy? |
| 18:02.29 | lcuk | lardman, jaffa was around this morn |
| 18:02.37 | RST38h | flailing: That is up to you to think over. I have done my best to explain my point. |
| 18:02.40 | lardman | hey lcuk, how's things? |
| 18:02.46 | flailingmonkey | lcuk: there is no morning on IRC :P |
| 18:02.52 | lcuk | on the subject of old timers :P RST38h is turning into a grouch too ;) |
| 18:03.02 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, when we are all in the uk there is |
| 18:03.03 | lardman | flailingmonkey: well there is if you both have the same ugt offset ;) |
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| 18:03.09 | RST38h | lcuk: Like I have ever been different... |
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| 18:03.28 | lcuk | RST38h, sure - you used to just be strange guy who posted scp ;) |
| 18:03.39 | lcuk | now you are just strange grumpy guy :P |
| 18:03.41 | RST38h | lcuk: Ah, we can always get back to that =) |
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| 18:04.00 | lcuk | theres plenty of creepy pasta there |
| 18:04.05 | lardman | what we need is to meet up and drink expensive beer again |
| 18:04.42 | lcuk | yeah lardman we deffo do |
| 18:05.06 | lardman | are people going to go to the meego summit? |
| 18:05.15 | lardman | I can't make it, clashes with a conference |
| 18:05.44 | flailingmonkey | RST38h: I see what you are gesturing to (verbally), but the current policy is basically that its up to mods to determine how to handle infractions. if that works better for you, it would be work recommending |
| 18:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell flailingmonkey about ugt |
| 18:05.59 | RST38h | ...Once the victim has been completely enfolded, thousands of hair-like protrusions extend from the surface of the carpet and dig into the victims skin, quickly draining them of blood over the next ? minutes... |
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| 18:06.11 | lcuk | i imagine most should be lardman |
| 18:06.15 | flailingmonkey | i can't make it, becuase I'm on the wrong side of the atlantic |
| 18:06.37 | lcuk | RST38h, i thought you were meant to be doing scp and not windows update |
| 18:06.38 | dima202 | lol you guys read that flash 10 post? one of us has some "connectoins" at the top of the food chain |
| 18:06.48 | lardman | linky? |
| 18:07.03 | lcuk | which conf this time lardman |
| 18:07.06 | RST38h | flailing: you are at the mods' mercy either way. having more rules gives them more reasons to screw you. |
| 18:07.14 | RST38h | (and yes, that has always been the case with humanity) |
| 18:07.21 | lardman | same one, nde stuff, i.e. day job :) |
| 18:07.37 | lardman | but this time it doesn't almost clash, it really does (at least afair) |
| 18:08.01 | lcuk | heh yeah i remember your gallavanting |
| 18:08.23 | lcuk | i beat visual basic to a pulp last night after not being able to do something |
| 18:08.28 | lcuk | can do it now |
| 18:08.33 | flailingmonkey | has been enlightened. and will live a neverending morning... |
| 18:08.43 | lcuk | and it apologised personally for putting me through crap |
| 18:08.48 | flailingmonkey | wrt UGT |
| 18:08.49 | lardman | :) |
| 18:08.57 | dima202 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=721141&postcount=724 |
| 18:09.03 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, who says you cant make it |
| 18:09.06 | lardman | dima202: thanks |
| 18:09.12 | RST38h | lcuk: isn't it kinda retro to still program in VB? |
| 18:09.21 | RST38h | At least get yourself some C#... |
| 18:09.35 | lcuk | RST38h, not coding in it - converting some layouts i wrote long ago in it |
| 18:09.35 | flailingmonkey | it makes good money to maintain VB6 :-) its the new cobol |
| 18:09.37 | lcuk | to c |
| 18:09.48 | lardman | nah, most of the code I have only works with vb6 |
| 18:09.57 | lardman | i.e. libs for hardware stuff |
| 18:10.02 | Venemo | RST38h: well, VB is equal to C# |
| 18:10.15 | RST38h | lcuk: Ah |
| 18:10.17 | lardman | Venemo: in craptasticness? |
| 18:10.20 | lardman | ;) |
| 18:10.21 | lcuk | vb6 is still interoperable in windows despite microsofts best intentions |
| 18:10.29 | lcuk | thanks to activex |
| 18:10.37 | lardman | yeah it is, though it's not pleased to install on Windows 7 I note |
| 18:10.40 | RST38h | Windows still has CALL5, doesn't it? |
| 18:10.45 | flailingmonkey | VB6 isn't going anywhere. the VS6 licences aren't going to be replaced by expensive VS2008 or w/e and are very popular in china |
| 18:10.54 | lcuk | i wouldnt know lol |
| 18:11.06 | lcuk | call5? |
| 18:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer the old COBOL |
| 18:11.27 | lcuk | is that another rst38h typ thing? |
| 18:11.41 | RST38h | lcuk: CP/M services entry point |
| 18:11.45 | RST38h | lcuk: Like INT21 |
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| 18:11.56 | lcuk | cool |
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| 18:12.04 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, im surprised you arent a valve fan :p |
| 18:12.09 | RST38h | In fact, INT21 should also be operational =) |
| 18:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 18:12.45 | lcuk | RST38h, theres lots in the core of windows that is still operational |
| 18:12.55 | jacekowski | as far as i know int21 is gone forever |
| 18:13.07 | lcuk | oh no, net dying |
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| 18:13.24 | lcuk | lagometer at max and net deaded |
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| 18:18.41 | insanefaka | i see tmo is turning into a lovefest |
| 18:19.06 | microlith | as opposed to the usuall troll-and-hatefest? |
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| 18:23.42 | insanefaka | as opposed to constructive criticism |
| 18:23.46 | SpeedEvil | comments on the 'rules' thread. |
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| 18:24.10 | SpeedEvil | (re: blanket ban on buisness advertising isn't always good) |
| 18:24.36 | Stskeeps | Sygic would be banned then, wouldnt they? |
| 18:24.40 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 18:24.48 | Stskeeps | well that's one counterargument |
| 18:24.49 | SpeedEvil | And mugen |
| 18:24.57 | SpeedEvil | and ... |
| 18:24.57 | Stskeeps | cos they were really engaging as part of community |
| 18:25.12 | SpeedEvil | I totally agree that people spamming screen protectors would be bad. |
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| 18:28.15 | insanefaka | why would you ban the only people (Sygic) whose app is any good on maemo? |
| 18:28.40 | SpeedEvil | Have I missed a 'This is what you should do so that your app does not use lots of battery' on the wiki? |
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| 18:29.54 | lcuk | fakes stands are cool, mugens batteries have a purpose, angrybirds and all the commercial things due from ovi let people play - commercial != bad, but blatant spamming is |
| 18:29.57 | SpeedEvil | wonders if the username SteveJobs is vacant on TMO. |
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| 18:35.11 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | what is the alarm supposed to play? |
| 18:35.11 | lardman | mmm, pizza, and not a rasher of bacon in sight (though now I type that, I am thinking it might be nice...) :) |
| 18:35.22 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | the system ringer? |
| 18:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | worst thing always is the army of idiots. Wherever you run into them |
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| 18:37.22 | lcuk | mmm lardman bacon pizza |
| 18:38.13 | lcuk | 20+seconds of lag to get to host+1 after my router :( gnite chaps |
| 18:38.14 | lardman | does sound rather good |
| 18:38.23 | lardman | night lcuk ! |
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| 18:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | feels grumpy due to missing food. Bye now |
| 18:40.11 | crashanddie | greetings, earthlings |
| 18:40.21 | lardman | hey crashanddie |
| 18:40.34 | Venemo | is there anyone here who is familiar with MADDE? |
| 18:41.39 | Venemo | I would like to create a library with it, but it seems that it doesn't place the header files into the -dev.deb |
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| 18:47.01 | madeinkorea | wow ! |
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| 18:50.49 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | so the alarm clock ringer can't be set separately? |
| 18:51.36 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean? You can play all the alarm sounds independantly |
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| 18:54.45 | clasificado | hi all |
| 18:55.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I mean, what setting in the general profile corresponds to what is played as the system alarm? |
| 18:55.17 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | sorry for the delay SpeedEvil, heh |
| 18:55.27 | SpeedEvil | ah - sorry - don't know that off-hand. |
| 18:56.35 | lardman | heads to sort out a second pizza... :) |
| 18:57.40 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I wonder why he is called "lardman" |
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| 19:03.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: clock menu alarm settings |
| 19:04.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: and obviously it's not supposed to change with profile settings |
| 19:08.34 | n900-dk | how to read the volume value from commandline? |
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| 19:10.21 | SpeedEvil | alsactl will do it |
| 19:10.26 | SpeedEvil | you probably don't want to do that |
| 19:11.43 | n900-dk | if it can be done, I sure will :) |
| 19:11.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: I wonder if it's really alsa |
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| 19:12.07 | SpeedEvil | It's not |
| 19:12.10 | SpeedEvil | It's pulse |
| 19:12.12 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 19:12.32 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - does anyone know of a page on the wiki 'this is what you nee to do to maximise battery life' |
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| 19:12.38 | SpeedEvil | (for your application) |
| 19:13.00 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, there's something in one of the Maemo docs somewhere |
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| 19:13.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: not really |
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| 19:13.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, what GAN900 said |
| 19:14.48 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Pointer would be welcome - I was contemplating writing something |
| 19:15.02 | SpeedEvil | I had a brief look, and couldn't find |
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| 19:15.09 | adna | greetings. anybody here using busybox on an n900? |
| 19:15.15 | Stskeeps | we all are :P |
| 19:15.16 | SpeedEvil | adna: everyone |
| 19:15.25 | Venemo | adna: what else? |
| 19:15.25 | SpeedEvil | well - not lcuk. But he's wierd. |
| 19:15.37 | adna | where is "less" and "nano" |
| 19:15.53 | SpeedEvil | less is in the tools repository |
| 19:16.04 | SpeedEvil | unsure where nano is. |
| 19:16.11 | adna | Thnx! |
| 19:16.37 | adna | Where do I get info on location of .deb repositories? |
| 19:17.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.03 | SpeedEvil | or something |
| 19:17.08 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.24 | ptl | SpeedEvil: were you looking for that? http://62.61.85.167/platform/docs/howtos/coding_style.html#power-saving |
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| 19:18.51 | adna | I thought the contents of hildon-application-manager.list was already what apt-get update was using. |
| 19:18.52 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1887946 adna is my current list - you want to carefully consider what you enable |
| 19:18.59 | SpeedEvil | adna: it is |
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| 19:19.08 | SpeedEvil | adna: ah - sorry - that's what I thought you meant |
| 19:19.50 | adna | So if the tools repo is in hildon, why can't apt-get install find "less" |
| 19:20.09 | SpeedEvil | ptl: Hmm - could maybe do some additions. |
| 19:20.20 | SpeedEvil | adna: It can. |
| 19:20.26 | SpeedEvil | Or at least it can with me. |
| 19:20.30 | SpeedEvil | Maybe it hates you. |
| 19:21.01 | adna | I think so. |
| 19:21.19 | SpeedEvil | what error does atp-get instal l less give? |
| 19:21.20 | adna | apt-get install: "couldn't find package less" |
| 19:22.55 | ptl | less is in the tools and extras-devel repositories |
| 19:23.04 | ptl | add or activate them and you'll be able to install |
| 19:23.35 | adna | Ahh. I see. My (raw) version of hildon doesn't include tools. |
| 19:24.02 | adna | I'll add those and it should do the trick. Thanks! |
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| 19:34.53 | adna | SpeedEvil: Thnx! Sweet 'less' and 'nano' are back. |
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| 19:35.23 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:35.55 | SpeedEvil | now update to PR1.2 - if you have not already, install the sdk repo, and apt-get install build-essentials. |
| 19:36.08 | adna | Anybody know why Maemo is using the hildon(...) repo list instead of just /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:36.47 | adna | ...and why vi is crippled? ("'q' is not implemented...") |
| 19:36.51 | nextime | adna: it just use the /etc.sources.list.d/name.list schema |
| 19:36.53 | SpeedEvil | busybox vi |
| 19:37.10 | nextime | it is a common way for debian based things |
| 19:37.21 | adna | But then why not bash? |
| 19:37.28 | SpeedEvil | adna: The answer to many of these questions is: 'A wizard at nokia did it for reasons more complex than you could possibly understand. |
| 19:37.40 | adna | ha. |
| 19:38.00 | SpeedEvil | adna: Busybox is a sane choice. Busybox is considerably lighter for scripting than bash and friends. |
| 19:38.02 | nextime | adna : maemo is an embedded linux distro for a limited device, it is not a desktop pc |
| 19:38.18 | nextime | so, it is very common to use busybox for all the base system |
| 19:38.23 | adna | Right (sigh). |
| 19:38.39 | SpeedEvil | With busybox - starting any contained process - most of the process is already in RAM. This dramatically reduces ram use and startup time |
| 19:38.46 | nextime | adna: you CAN anyway install bash if you really need it |
| 19:39.30 | adna | Is there a 'best' webpage on a maemo site listing available repos and what's in them? |
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| 19:39.43 | adna | Maybe with annotations like 'Use at your own risk!" |
| 19:40.17 | SpeedEvil | Practically, I've not had major stability problems with anything I've installed. |
| 19:40.25 | nextime | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository |
| 19:40.26 | flailingmonkey | there is really just: extras, extras-testing, extras-devel (and I guess tools) |
| 19:40.48 | SpeedEvil | In general - avoid anything that says 'kernel' or 'flasher' and you should be fine |
| 19:40.56 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:41.19 | SpeedEvil | Many of the early problems have been alrgely resolved with new processes on the bildserver to automagically move stuff off the root filesystem. |
| 19:41.25 | flailingmonkey | do be aware that enabling devel (and testing to a lesser degree) results in dealing with a much bigger apt db |
| 19:41.44 | flailingmonkey | and that slows down installs/updates/etc noticably |
| 19:41.55 | SpeedEvil | However - installing everything isn't possible - you run out of space on the 2G software partition soon. |
| 19:42.46 | nextime | is there any overlay fs support in the default kernel? |
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| 19:43.08 | adna | Thanks, all. I just got my n900 and you've been incredibly helpful. |
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| 19:43.28 | SpeedEvil | np. |
| 19:43.35 | SpeedEvil | nextime: no |
| 19:43.45 | adna | I just have one last question (right now). How do you ssh to your phone? |
| 19:44.10 | nextime | adna : you need at least to setup a password |
| 19:44.19 | adna | I just connected via USB in 'PC-Suite' mode but from my PC I get 'no route to host'. |
| 19:44.20 | nextime | and of corse install ssh :) |
| 19:44.31 | adna | I've done both. |
| 19:44.32 | nextime | adna : i ssh over wifi |
| 19:45.05 | adna | nmap shows ssh is running on port 22. Why would there be no route to host? |
| 19:45.08 | pahartik | adna: I just got my "Nokia N900" about 30 hours ago and have been trying to set things up correctly... Very good so far |
| 19:45.42 | nextime | adna : maybe you just aren't in the same subnet or something like that on the pc side? |
| 19:46.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: that's damn true |
| 19:48.13 | flailingmonkey | adna: connecting by usb does not automagically create usb networking |
| 19:48.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: install ssh |
| 19:48.28 | flailingmonkey | there are instructions on the wiki |
| 19:48.38 | adna | flailingmonkey: right. |
| 19:48.44 | SpeedEvil | adna: enable extras. Install ssh server and client (same package) pick a root passowrd |
| 19:49.22 | SpeedEvil | adna: scp id_rsa.pub to phones /root - static IP makes it easy. |
| 19:49.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: setting up usb networking is a pita |
| 19:49.45 | adna | I did: ifup usb0 ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.101 |
| 19:49.53 | SpeedEvil | adna: move id_rsa.pub into the .ssh directory, rename it authorized_hosts and then chmod it to 600. chmod .ssh to 700 |
| 19:50.00 | SpeedEvil | and then you can just do ssh root@Phone |
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| 19:50.21 | adna | it worked fine for one session, but now it shows no route to host. Never got it to work over wifi. |
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| 19:51.05 | vallhalla-mobile | hello all |
| 19:51.32 | adna | vallhalla-mobile: hi. |
| 19:52.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: check pkg PC connectivity manager. Still you need correct setup on PC side for USB networking |
| 19:52.54 | adna | DocScrutinizer51: thnx! |
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| 19:54.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: setting up usb networking is a pita |
| 19:54.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: check pkg PC connectivity manager. Still you need correct setup on PC side for USB networking |
| 19:55.00 | flailingmonkey | with wifi, you can usually address the hostname Nokia-N900-42-11 and it will work |
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| 19:58.47 | madeinkorea | why isnt xchat kenetic ? |
| 19:58.58 | vallhalla-mobile | is there a way to use framebuffer on a n900? |
| 19:59.07 | madeinkorea | who uses scrollbars in 21 century ? |
| 19:59.28 | trip0 | madeinkorea, because it's a port from the gtk version |
| 19:59.41 | vallhalla-mobile | many did back in the 21st |
| 20:00.02 | madeinkorea | man i hate these half assed ports |
| 20:00.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | scrollbars of xchat are a pain |
| 20:00.18 | trip0 | madeinkorea, most people hate porting code more. |
| 20:00.20 | adna | DocScrutinizer51: ? on PC (kubuntu) 'ls /dev' doesn't show a usb device. just 'usbmon0' - 'usbmon5'... |
| 20:00.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | bur with right keymapping you can use shift-up/down |
| 20:00.55 | madeinkorea | why even bother porting if it blows chunks |
| 20:01.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat isn't hildonized |
| 20:01.15 | madeinkorea | i know |
| 20:01.33 | vallhalla-mobile | use irssi i find its better |
| 20:01.54 | trip0 | does irssi have kenetic scrolling? |
| 20:02.00 | madeinkorea | but irsi is too damn plain |
| 20:02.31 | vallhalla-mobile | no just use pgup pgdn simple but ef |
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| 20:02.44 | adna | How does one pipe something to grep on the n900 keypad? |
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| 20:03.15 | Appiah | symbol adna |
| 20:03.20 | vallhalla-mobile | irssi is very easy to set as non plain i have many colors and themes on it |
| 20:03.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: bluefunc + sym |
| 20:04.31 | adna | ..so the blue arrow key + Sym + ..what for a pipe? |
| 20:04.50 | vallhalla-mobile | is there a way to use framebuffer on a n900? both on startup for messages and in a console |
| 20:05.03 | vallhalla-mobile | adna: yep then select the pipe |
| 20:05.49 | microlith | vallhalla-mobile: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel |
| 20:06.10 | vallhalla-mobile | microlith: thankyou |
| 20:06.38 | vallhalla-mobile | no way to do it without losing defualt kernal? |
| 20:07.07 | microlith | correct, support is not compiled into the default kernel |
| 20:07.29 | vallhalla-mobile | that is a shame |
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| 20:07.55 | microlith | not really, options like that are unnecessary for most of the populace |
| 20:08.09 | microlith | personally I'd rather have an easy to access UART :) |
| 20:08.15 | vallhalla-mobile | CutMeOwnThroat: is your name a pratchet reference? |
| 20:08.29 | adna | vallhalla-mobile: There's no pipe to select. Is it a three key combo? |
| 20:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | vallhalla-mobile, sausage inna bun for you? |
| 20:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're freshly delivered today! |
| 20:08.50 | vallhalla-mobile | woof? |
| 20:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | named animal, too |
| 20:09.21 | vallhalla-mobile | oo how novel |
| 20:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( I think he was called 'spot' ) |
| 20:09.44 | vallhalla-mobile | do you hav ne thin ona stik? |
| 20:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, ran out |
| 20:10.06 | luke-jr | hum |
| 20:10.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | adna: should be there on vkbd |
| 20:10.20 | vallhalla-mobile | ah well ta ne way mr dibbler |
| 20:10.29 | luke-jr | so a N900 was just delivered to me o.O |
| 20:10.37 | adna | DocScrutinizer51: Yes, I just found it. |
| 20:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll come back when you regret your decision :) |
| 20:10.46 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: scary |
| 20:10.47 | luke-jr | but no letter or conditions or anything... anyone know anything about this? XD |
| 20:10.54 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: did you sign up for the device queue? |
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| 20:11.13 | vallhalla-mobile | CutMeOwnThroat: im of ta the mended drum |
| 20:11.21 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: a while ago, yeah; that's my guess, but I was expecting someone to tell me they were sending it and what the terms were and such |
| 20:11.47 | Stskeeps | more importantly, how'd they get your addy? |
| 20:11.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:12.03 | luke-jr | someone did ask me for it a few weeks ago-- GAN I think |
| 20:12.15 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:12.24 | ecksun | is there some frontend to alarmd? |
| 20:12.46 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: not sure there's any terms if none came along |
| 20:12.56 | luke-jr | basically, I'm wondering if I'm expected to finish N8x0 mainlining in exchange, or write apps for it, or *not* reveng BME/GPS, or such |
| 20:13.08 | Stskeeps | or port gentoo |
| 20:13.18 | luke-jr | "or such" |
| 20:13.19 | luke-jr | :p |
| 20:13.22 | Stskeeps | or contribute to meego ;) |
| 20:13.32 | luke-jr | the possibilities are endless |
| 20:13.34 | luke-jr | lol |
| 20:13.37 | Stskeeps | well, have fun |
| 20:13.42 | Stskeeps | perhaps you can join DocScrutinizer51's BME project |
| 20:13.47 | luke-jr | ? |
| 20:13.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: you applied for devel dev? |
| 20:14.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: a what? |
| 20:14.37 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: the battery charging on N900 is much safer and DocScrutinizer51 and co seems to know how to do safe open charging |
| 20:14.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: seems there are no terms |
| 20:14.54 | Stskeeps | any 'NOT FOR SALE' label on the box? |
| 20:15.00 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: not that I saw |
| 20:15.16 | luke-jr | btw, my first impression: "I sure hope this isn't what the end users get" |
| 20:15.23 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 20:15.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | your contributions are just appreciated so muh ;-D |
| 20:15.26 | luke-jr | intuitiveness is *terrible* |
| 20:15.31 | Stskeeps | well you use gentoo. |
| 20:15.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:15.37 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: not yet |
| 20:15.44 | luke-jr | it's got whatever was shipped to me still |
| 20:15.44 | Stskeeps | so your intuitiveness is different than normal people |
| 20:15.52 | luke-jr | ah, I see what you mean |
| 20:15.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: so welcome to the club now XP |
| 20:16.05 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: got yours too? |
| 20:16.11 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: for example, I had a hard time finding settings |
| 20:16.24 | luke-jr | and when I did, I didn't off-hand guess that I had to disable auto-update on the clock to set a timezone |
| 20:16.30 | luke-jr | (wtf is with that, btw?) |
| 20:16.33 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: ah, yeah, that's a nice wtf |
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| 20:16.43 | Stskeeps | you'd want to set Region initially |
| 20:17.08 | luke-jr | regionwas already "English (UK)" |
| 20:17.11 | luke-jr | which is what I want |
| 20:17.35 | Stskeeps | but if you're wanting to contribute, i'd point you in direction of either meego-n900 or DocScrutinizer51's work, either one benefits a more open n900 |
| 20:17.45 | luke-jr | anyhow, the shipment I *was* expecting also arrived, and I need to have that one ready to send out by 4 today :) |
| 20:17.55 | luke-jr | so 45 mins to figure out how to install Kubuntu w/o a CD drive :x |
| 20:18.07 | luke-jr | I'll get back to N900 later |
| 20:19.22 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 20:23.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | so FINALLY luke-jr got a device. No more hiding away now :-P |
| 20:23.32 | pronto | o= |
| 20:23.35 | pronto | \o/ |
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| 20:26.12 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: hiding? |
| 20:26.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: just kidding :) |
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| 20:29.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: your arse is owned by Nokia now :-P. No oher terms involved |
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| 20:32.40 | Nirtal | Wich is the best spotify client for maemo? |
| 20:32.47 | Nirtal | the most stable |
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| 20:42.46 | nextime | route -n |
| 20:42.50 | nextime | ops |
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| 21:11.37 | n900-dk | How come this value X has to larger than 10 to hear the sound from the speakers? : |
| 21:11.47 | n900-dk | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:'volume' variant:uint32:X |
| 21:11.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | somebody set +m, or what? |
| 21:12.18 | Appiah | O_O |
| 21:14.36 | b-man | hmm |
| 21:14.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | mmh |
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| 21:19.25 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 21:19.39 | luke-jr | came with some weird Finnish plug :P |
| 21:20.01 | luke-jr | guess no car charging for me :p |
| 21:20.39 | asj_ | your car doesn't have usb? how so last decade |
| 21:20.52 | luke-jr | asj_: 2001 |
| 21:21.01 | asj_ | luke-jr: time to upgrade ;) |
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| 21:21.28 | luke-jr | asj_: not until 2011 at least |
| 21:21.36 | luke-jr | my next upgrade is probably a 15 passenger |
| 21:22.11 | asj_ | luke-jr: how many kids do you have? |
| 21:22.27 | luke-jr | 4 so far |
| 21:22.37 | luke-jr | but I like to buy vehicles that will last 5 years at least |
| 21:22.48 | luke-jr | so potentially 9 by the time I get rid of the next one |
| 21:23.13 | asj_ | coughs |
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| 21:26.52 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, heh, what did you order from where? |
| 21:27.09 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: ? |
| 21:27.10 | crashanddie | chem|st: around? |
| 21:27.16 | crashanddie | Flandry: around? |
| 21:27.28 | ShadowJK | <luke-jr> came with some weird Finnish plug :P |
| 21:27.55 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: the N900 that was delivered to me today |
| 21:29.11 | ShadowJK | The wall charger? |
| 21:29.34 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 21:29.41 | crashanddie | luke-jr: finnish plug? you mean european? |
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| 21:29.56 | crashanddie | luke-jr: two round plugs? |
| 21:30.34 | luke-jr | I think so |
| 21:30.38 | ShadowJK | guess you can still charge it from computer with usb |
| 21:30.49 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 21:30.52 | luke-jr | just not in the car :) |
| 21:30.52 | crashanddie | luke-jr: you in the UK? |
| 21:31.13 | luke-jr | no |
| 21:31.36 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, inverter -> wall charger setup in car is kinda silly anyway ;P |
| 21:31.50 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: sure |
| 21:32.24 | ShadowJK | I guess your freebie/loaner/unknown didn't come with the adapter that lets you use N810's charger either.. |
| 21:32.44 | luke-jr | maybe |
| 21:32.49 | luke-jr | not sure what one of the wires is |
| 21:32.55 | luke-jr | has 2 round plug slots |
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| 21:33.48 | crashanddie | luke-jr: one is for the micro-Nokia charger, other is for the medium Nokia charger |
| 21:34.04 | crashanddie | luke-jr: N810 came with the micro one, you just need to plug one in |
| 21:34.17 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, does it have a Nokia on one side and Nokia\nCA-146C\nMade in china on the other side in stupidly small font? |
| 21:34.19 | crashanddie | though it charges the N900 very, very slowly |
| 21:34.38 | crashanddie | and sometimes it burns through, for no apparent reason |
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| 21:35.29 | ShadowJK | Everytime you use it, a member of GreenPeace loses a patch of hair |
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| 21:36.41 | Nirtal | help, I can't use apt-get, I get this error message when I'm trying to do anything "E: The package qtspotify needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 21:36.41 | Nirtal | " |
| 21:37.46 | luke-jr | burns through? |
| 21:39.19 | ShadowJK | It's a mildly inefficient buck voltage regulator padded with plastic and no heatsink |
| 21:39.46 | ShadowJK | Reportedly it can create its own big hole for ventilation if the need arises >:-) |
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| 21:42.56 | asj_ | Nirtal: use dpkg to remove it? |
| 21:43.10 | Nirtal | can't |
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| 21:43.27 | asj_ | what does dpkg say? |
| 21:43.46 | Nirtal | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 21:43.47 | Nirtal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.30 | asj_ | Nirtal: you probably have to remove it by hand, I have to leave, someone else can point you at the right files |
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| 21:44.55 | Nirtal | someone else, please help me!!! |
| 21:48.04 | ShadowJK | uh, wtf, I have a xterm consuming 4.2 gigs of memory.. |
| 21:48.14 | microlith | mmm, buffers |
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| 21:50.02 | SpeedEvil | RSS!=real memory |
| 21:50.25 | SpeedEvil | though a RSS of 4.2G on a 32 bit device is somewhat cunning. |
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| 21:57.26 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | what might be the difference between the way firefox connects to a proxy in linux on my desktop vs via 3g in maemo? |
| 21:57.35 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | (the prior works, the latter does not) |
| 21:57.47 | ShadowJK | not much |
| 21:58.30 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well I kinda need help debuging this |
| 21:58.41 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it is supposed to work to get around my providers port 80 block |
| 21:58.46 | pahartik | finally manages to get "Nokia N900" connected through IPv6 over Bluetooth PAN |
| 21:58.50 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | once I get 3g I'll be happy |
| 21:58.54 | SpeedEvil | I would start by running tcpdump on the proxy |
| 21:59.01 | ShadowJK | Well my first assumption would be that your provider blocks your proxy too |
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| 21:59.12 | SpeedEvil | From wget on each platform |
| 21:59.15 | ShadowJK | So I'd do what SpeedEvil suggested to |
| 21:59.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how? that port is supposed to be open (http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data) |
| 21:59.27 | SpeedEvil | I'd agree with ShadowJKs wise suggestion. |
| 21:59.29 | DrGrov | Is it best to charge the phone when it is turned on or turned off? |
| 21:59.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:59.41 | ShadowJK | DrGrov, no difference really |
| 21:59.47 | microlith | DrGrov: on, it's quite useless when off :/ |
| 21:59.49 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: turned on will give you more feedback - and with backlight off - is not really any slower |
| 21:59.59 | DrGrov | ShadowJK: ok |
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| 22:00.12 | DrGrov | I just see some lagging with opening up the shortcuts on the desktop |
| 22:00.16 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember what he was wanting to ask ShadowJK. |
| 22:00.19 | DrGrov | That is why I wondered if a reboot is in order |
| 22:00.37 | SpeedEvil | Oh - nvm - it was a silly thought. |
| 22:00.50 | SpeedEvil | '3' in the UK offer free skype-skype calls if you use their downloaded client. |
| 22:01.01 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering how to tunnel while pretending to be skype |
| 22:01.18 | DrGrov | Is not the regular default Skype calls on the N900 free?? :/ |
| 22:01.36 | DrGrov | Skype to Skype calls that is |
| 22:01.37 | SpeedEvil | skype calls may or may not be free. |
| 22:01.48 | SpeedEvil | However - data transfer to make skype calls is often not free |
| 22:01.58 | DrGrov | Ah, data transfer will never be a problem |
| 22:01.59 | SpeedEvil | (as in beer) |
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| 22:02.12 | SpeedEvil | '3' were offering free skype calls 'forever' |
| 22:02.23 | SpeedEvil | On a free SIM |
| 22:02.26 | DrGrov | Ah, so the data transfer would be free I presume |
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| 22:02.57 | SpeedEvil | yes - through that offer |
| 22:03.00 | DrGrov | Anyone else seen the phone becoming lagging after 2-3 days and need to do a reboot? |
| 22:03.08 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: top/ps/... |
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| 22:03.56 | DrGrov | So booting is almost "required" to perform once every 2-3 days? |
| 22:04.01 | DrGrov | Any recommendations? |
| 22:04.05 | SpeedEvil | I've not seen that |
| 22:04.23 | DrGrov | To open Phone shortcut is hideously slow now |
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| 22:04.41 | Arkenoi | sometimes it is, sometimes it is not |
| 22:04.52 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | okay, it seems like wget isn't obeying the proxy rules I put in... any ideas? |
| 22:05.06 | Arkenoi | top does not show any high load for me |
| 22:05.08 | DrGrov | I usually do it when I am charging the phone. Charge it and then turn it off and turn back on. |
| 22:05.30 | Arkenoi | and memory consumption is normal as well, but the desktop becomes non-responsive after several days sometimes |
| 22:05.53 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: ah - sorry - unsure how to get it - I'd read the manpage |
| 22:06.03 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: what about swap use |
| 22:06.04 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | man page of what? |
| 22:06.07 | DrGrov | Arkenoi: yes, I have that same problem |
| 22:06.10 | ShadowJK | Usually what happens for me is that things I haven't used for a while are slow to respond the first time I use them again, but once I'm using them they become faster |
| 22:06.11 | crashanddie | LMAO. "In the early days of television, it was widely believed that television sets weighed more when they were switched ON. This belief apparently originated from the manufacturer's owner manual, which quite thoroughly explained to "Turn the set off before attempting to move it."" |
| 22:06.12 | SpeedEvil | wget - to see how proxy |
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| 22:06.54 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, normal too |
| 22:07.00 | ShadowJK | http_proxy=http://ip.or.hostname.here:port/ wget http://www.something.com |
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| 22:09.36 | luke-jr | where do I get a fresh firmware image (PR 1.2?) for this thing before I mess with it? |
| 22:10.19 | ShadowJK | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 22:11.59 | ShadowJK | settings -> about product on your N900 for the imei that site asks for |
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| 22:13.42 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | okay it is somehow resolving my proxy, but still giving me the tmo homepage |
| 22:14.04 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | why would it still redirect me to its own content after being able to resolve the rpxy |
| 22:14.06 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | proxy |
| 22:14.06 | ShadowJK | So tmo intercepts the proxy |
| 22:14.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how can I learn more about this? |
| 22:14.28 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | just keep testing different ports? |
| 22:15.41 | ShadowJK | Somehow I suspect there wouldn't be many holes to be found |
| 22:15.57 | SpeedEvil | does it let you get https pages? |
| 22:16.02 | *** join/#maemo lardman (~simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman) |
| 22:16.09 | SpeedEvil | For example - what happens if you go to https://www.paypal.com/ |
| 22:16.36 | lardman | hey ljsdofuynsdfufuh, I didn't have another pizza you'll be glad to hear ;) |
| 22:16.57 | luke-jr | hmm, can I backup my current N900 OS? since I can't legally reverse engineer the ones on that site? |
| 22:17.53 | ShadowJK | Well you can back it up, but you can't restore :-) |
| 22:18.02 | luke-jr | that's fine I think |
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| 22:18.12 | luke-jr | don't need to restore to run objdump :p |
| 22:18.30 | SpeedEvil | why not just rsync/cp |
| 22:18.34 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 22:18.47 | SpeedEvil | rsync onto the mmc |
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| 22:19.05 | ShadowJK | /dev/mtd*ro for dump of the device, but it's not easy to extract stuff from it since it's ubifs |
| 22:19.08 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I don't have SSH access? :) |
| 22:19.17 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | https doesn't seem to work either |
| 22:19.33 | lardman | anyone used QSetting to store an array of data? |
| 22:19.34 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Why not? |
| 22:19.35 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | though I had it for a second, but it had auto connected to wifi :[ |
| 22:19.40 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: dunno how |
| 22:19.55 | ShadowJK | App Manager -> tap titlebar for the app-specific menu, pick Application Catalogues, enable maemo.org extras, install rsync and openssh |
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| 22:20.08 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Setup wlan. Activate extras. Add 'ssh server and client' in HAM (it's one package) |
| 22:20.23 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Then you pick a password, and can just ssh in |
| 22:21.24 | jacekowski | hgrrrr |
| 22:21.24 | jacekowski | sbdmock |
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| 22:21.41 | jacekowski | why there is no option to configure any commands prerootstrap |
| 22:22.30 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: tor has gotten around it a few times, but it is insanely slow - any idea how it can do it but why my proxy wouldn't? |
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| 22:23.12 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: nope |
| 22:23.41 | alludus | how i can get gkt on n900 so i can compile something :O |
| 22:23.46 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well, how does it intercept the proxy? |
| 22:24.06 | jacekowski | luke-jr: as far as i know you can reverse engineer them |
| 22:24.09 | pupnik | alludus: copy stuff over from the sdk |
| 22:24.18 | alludus | oki |
| 22:24.19 | jacekowski | luke-jr: it just violates the eula but that's different case |
| 22:24.53 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ShadowJK: any ideas? |
| 22:24.53 | jacekowski | luke-jr: but i would just do tar with some options and dump everything to memory card or somewhere |
| 22:24.58 | lcuk | damn |
| 22:25.13 | ShadowJK | hm, no not really |
| 22:25.15 | SpeedEvil | alludus: In principle, simply add the sdk repo, upgrade to 1.2 - if not already - then apt-get install build-essentials. |
| 22:25.18 | lcuk | slider for camera cover borkened |
| 22:25.32 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I don't want to violate the EULA |
| 22:25.33 | alludus | i didd |
| 22:25.50 | alludus | it but it doesnt get dependencies automatically :O |
| 22:25.53 | ShadowJK | They probably have a firewall/router that redirects anything going out on port 80 or port 8080 to their own proxy server, which checks what kind of access you have |
| 22:26.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ShadowJK: well I'm using one of the ports reported to be open |
| 22:26.13 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | and running a squid server |
| 22:26.14 | SpeedEvil | alludus: In practice - it'd be wise to copy / to /home/user/chroot - or somewhere - then you just chroot into that dir - and then apt-get install build-essentials |
| 22:26.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | because I know they block 80 |
| 22:26.25 | SpeedEvil | alludus: hen you don't have to worry about screwing up this system |
| 22:26.26 | ShadowJK | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, which port? |
| 22:26.45 | ShadowJK | because what it said about 8080 made it sound like it's redirected to their own servers :) |
| 22:26.58 | alludus | SpeedEvil, thanks |
| 22:27.13 | SpeedEvil | alludus: Of course - this will give you no libraries. |
| 22:27.14 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I've basically tried all of the following: 25 110 143 465 587 TCP SMTP over SSL993 TCP IMAP4 over SSL 995 TCP POP3 over SSL 8080 TCP |
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| 22:27.48 | SpeedEvil | alludus: So if you need to build something with ssl - you need to get openssl - nd build it. |
| 22:27.57 | jacekowski | luke-jr: what are you trying to reverse engineer |
| 22:28.06 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887&page=3 well I'm kinda stuck after working on this for days - everyone in this thread said it worked |
| 22:28.10 | alludus | ok |
| 22:28.41 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ShadowJK: sorry....messy copy/paste -almost all of those port numbers i tried though |
| 22:28.57 | jacekowski | why scratchbox is failing on packages installations |
| 22:29.01 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | Ive used the proxy via wifi on the n900 and another box to make sure it works properly too |
| 22:29.04 | jacekowski | and its never the same package |
| 22:29.06 | jacekowski | it's random one |
| 22:29.20 | jacekowski | only constant thing is that it will always fail |
| 22:29.39 | jacekowski | and sbdmock isn't helpfull in working around it |
| 22:29.42 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Have you overclocked your computer? |
| 22:29.44 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:29.50 | jacekowski | no |
| 22:29.55 | jacekowski | it's only scratchbox |
| 22:29.59 | jacekowski | and java |
| 22:30.09 | jacekowski | well, java just get's killed by grsec |
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| 22:36.01 | nextime | ljsdofuynsdfufuh there isn't any good unlimited internet plan on us? |
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| 22:36.47 | nextime | ( just curious about that ) |
| 22:37.17 | luke-jr | nextime: no |
| 22:37.35 | nextime | sad |
| 22:37.43 | luke-jr | nextime: in Nebraska, there's no N900-compatible 3G at all |
| 22:37.52 | nextime | this make devices like n900 and others less usefull |
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| 22:38.23 | nextime | even if maybe there is a good wifi coverage in major towns |
| 22:39.27 | nextime | here there is no wifi coverage at all ( unless you crack private wep/wap keys ) cause of law regulations on hot-spots |
| 22:39.42 | nextime | but we have good hsdpa connection plans |
| 22:40.35 | lcuk | has never superglued an n900 before |
| 22:40.52 | pupnik | what country nextime |
| 22:40.59 | nextime | pupnik : italy |
| 22:41.09 | pupnik | similar situation in germany |
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| 22:42.21 | nextime | pupnik : even in germany there is the anti-terrorism law that say you simply can't expose an open wifi without authenticating clients? |
| 22:43.04 | jacekowski | bullshit |
| 22:43.09 | jacekowski | it's not anti terrorism |
| 22:43.34 | pupnik | i'm not sure of the exact legal situation |
| 22:43.44 | nextime | jacekowski : yes, it isn't anti-terrorism for real, but it is done officially for anti-terrorism and inserted in a anti-terrorism law package |
| 22:44.27 | nextime | pupnik : we have a law called "Pisani's law" from the name of the minister that invented it |
| 22:44.37 | pupnik | sinister minister |
| 22:44.48 | nextime | it is a large package for anti-terrorism measure adpted after 2001 |
| 22:45.10 | nextime | with many things AND also laws for wifi and internet cafe' |
| 22:45.56 | jacekowski | i have open wifi for everybody to use |
| 22:46.02 | nextime | you can of course use wifi, but you need to register real name surname and other data with valid legal identity documents |
| 22:46.09 | jacekowski | and only my trafic is encrypted |
| 22:46.15 | nextime | and/or use it only for private use |
| 22:46.23 | nextime | jacekowski : you can't do this in italy |
| 22:46.57 | nextime | anyway, we have 99% of territory covered by hsdpa ( even third generation hsdpa at 28.2 megs for the 50% ) |
| 22:47.07 | nextime | and good plans for connection |
| 22:47.32 | nextime | ( like flat for 1 euro/day only for the days you use it ) |
| 22:48.24 | jacekowski | nextime: i can't do it here |
| 22:48.39 | jacekowski | legally |
| 22:49.51 | ptl | jacekowski: hi, the other day I asked you some question, are you still hosting chromium for the N900? |
| 22:49.57 | nextime | jacekowski : even in italy some people do it. I'm one of those think that even if a law is wrong you need to respect it and maybe try to change it legally :) |
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| 22:51.40 | jacekowski | ptl: well, i'm configuring autobuilder on my machine |
| 22:51.44 | jacekowski | ptl: and i'll host it then |
| 22:52.07 | ptl | jacekowski: oh, nice to know... it was too bad that Nokia stopped hosting chromium for so little. |
| 22:52.52 | nextime | jacekowski : maybe in future you can take a look to iron instead (or in addition to ) chrome? |
| 22:52.55 | nextime | ops |
| 22:52.59 | nextime | chromium |
| 22:53.53 | jacekowski | nextime: why? |
| 22:54.10 | jacekowski | i don't care about anonimity |
| 22:54.19 | jacekowski | well, i'm against anonimity in internet |
| 22:54.44 | lcuk | what about in your home? |
| 22:55.00 | nextime | jacekowski : i'm not against anonimity, but it isn't about anonimity, it is about privacy |
| 22:55.05 | nextime | they are different things |
| 22:55.06 | jacekowski | anonimity != privacy |
| 22:55.18 | pupnik | . |
| 22:55.34 | nextime | jacekowski: tell to google what you see isn't a good thing in my personal opinion |
| 22:55.44 | lcuk | good point, i shouldnt post after working with superglue |
| 22:56.01 | nextime | i even have google-analitycs and other domains pointing on 127.0.0.1 on my dns :) |
| 22:56.04 | jacekowski | well, chromium isn't sharing any excessive amount of information |
| 22:56.39 | nextime | jacekowski : chromium is just chrome recompiled, it has many bad (in the point of view of privacy ) things |
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| 22:57.38 | nextime | of course this is *my* opinion, you are free to use what you want :) |
| 22:58.07 | jacekowski | nextime: no it isn't |
| 22:58.28 | jacekowski | nextime: chromium doesn't have all binary privacy invading modules |
| 22:59.05 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | fuck, I'd pay whomever figures this out for me |
| 22:59.20 | lardman | night all |
| 22:59.21 | pyther24 | What's wrong? |
| 22:59.29 | pyther24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, ^^ |
| 22:59.42 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I already put 100$ on the sidekick prepaid because a tmo rep convinced me that the sidekick plan would work for any smart phone - and that i get the most free minutes if i put 100$ on at once |
| 23:00.06 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but their official story now is that the sidekick plan only works with the sidekick |
| 23:00.09 | jacekowski | 30-94-55 26315860 |
| 23:00.13 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Ow. |
| 23:00.20 | jacekowski | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: ^ and what do youneed |
| 23:00.36 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I would suggest you contact them, make a formal complaint that you were mis-sold the plan. |
| 23:00.37 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | some people on the forum said that they got proxies working so that they can use port 80 et al |
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| 23:00.53 | jacekowski | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: well, sidekick is piece of crap |
| 23:00.59 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I have, they say there is nothing they can do - and that their managers have no more authority to fix it than they do |
| 23:01.05 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, the plan will have terms and written things, buyer beware? |
| 23:01.06 | jacekowski | mobile phone market in usa is like non existient |
| 23:01.17 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but "the sidekick plan" is the only prepaid data plan ther eis |
| 23:01.24 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Do they have recordings of the call? |
| 23:01.33 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I guess |
| 23:01.38 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that's a thing in the UK |
| 23:01.42 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but still, I've spent too much time and money on this already |
| 23:01.43 | jacekowski | you can always cancel |
| 23:01.48 | jacekowski | and tell them to fuck off |
| 23:01.59 | jacekowski | you don't have to prove to them that you were missold |
| 23:02.00 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | and I've been paying for this so-called "data" service - despite the fact that it isnt really data |
| 23:02.06 | lcuk | "you sold me a sidekick plan and i havent even got a sidekick" |
| 23:02.07 | nextime | correct me if i'mwrong: in US you can pay even for *received* sms, isn't true? |
| 23:02.09 | jacekowski | you can cancel just because you want to cancel |
| 23:02.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | when I start explaining in detail they just hang up |
| 23:02.17 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I would suggest you next approach your local consumer rights organisation - better buisness bureau? |
| 23:02.31 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Not strictly true - but generally, so. |
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| 23:02.43 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887&page=3 people got it to work here though |
| 23:02.59 | jacekowski | nextime: i bought at&t prepaid and 5 minutes of internet browsing costed me $100 + tax |
| 23:03.01 | SpeedEvil | 'people got it to work' does not mean it will continue working |
| 23:03.05 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but I've got a squid server tested and everything and I can't see to get it to work at all |
| 23:03.07 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Ow. |
| 23:03.35 | nextime | jacekowski : it's chap :) |
| 23:03.37 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i went to at&t shop to buy local prepaid as it's ussualy cheapest thing to do |
| 23:03.39 | nextime | chEap |
| 23:03.45 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | so that is what I need help with |
| 23:03.54 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: so she sold me $100 pre-paid |
| 23:04.14 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: for which i had to pay $100 + sales tax so it worked out at $115 |
| 23:04.24 | SpeedEvil | In the UK, things have gotten somewhat better since I last looked. 1 month rolling contract internet can be gotten at 5 quid per month. 'unlimited'. |
| 23:04.32 | SpeedEvil | (3) |
| 23:04.42 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 23:04.46 | jacekowski | £5 that's nice |
| 23:04.51 | nextime | ljsdofuynsdfufuh : if you have a squid server on your server, can't you tunnel your data with a vpn instead of use a proxy? |
| 23:04.52 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | jacekowski: the fact that people like us, who really understand technology like this, can be tricked consistently proves the disingenuousness of service providers plans |
| 23:04.53 | jacekowski | 3 months ago it was £10 |
| 23:05.03 | lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, with a proxy you will ALWAYS be looking for a new proxies? |
| 23:05.12 | lcuk | or are you planning on hosting your own |
| 23:05.16 | lcuk | on your home server |
| 23:05.17 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I made my own lcuk |
| 23:05.29 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it works well, but somehow tmo is still redirecting me |
| 23:05.30 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure your proxy can be connected to externally? |
| 23:05.51 | SpeedEvil | you may also need to tunnel the DNS |
| 23:06.16 | SpeedEvil | As for example - they get a request for www.google.com - and they serve up the DNS for their NOC |
| 23:06.30 | nextime | ljsdofuynsdfufuh : in your situation i think i will do an openvpn tunnel and redirect my default gateway inside the tunnel |
| 23:06.40 | nextime | so, it will work and also i get encrypted :) |
| 23:06.45 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | so it resolves my proxies ip, but then somehow still redicts me to their t-zones shit |
| 23:06.50 | lcuk | did they only close off port 80? |
| 23:07.01 | pyther24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, likely dns redirect of some type |
| 23:07.04 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: I've tested the proxy with n900 wifi and another box and it works fine |
| 23:07.06 | SpeedEvil | Does it resolve the proxy IP correctly? |
| 23:07.12 | lcuk | is it your home server that is downloading the tzones |
| 23:07.15 | lcuk | or direct from phone |
| 23:08.07 | lcuk | cos that would answer the dns thing -> if its from home then dns is redirected - if its from phone, the ports are still being blocked |
| 23:08.23 | lcuk | but really thats their network |
| 23:08.31 | lcuk | and their contract |
| 23:09.13 | midas__ | hi there |
| 23:09.30 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435794116&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNASIF:US:1123 |
| 23:09.33 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 23:10.18 | midas__ | i have a nice one. via the filebrowser i can see my pictures. but when i press pictures it doesnt show anything.. |
| 23:11.10 | SpeedEvil | tracker is broken. |
| 23:11.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | Speed, it actually resolves the ip but then somehow still sends me the tzones website when i try any domain |
| 23:11.27 | SpeedEvil | I would suggest nuking the tracker databases. |
| 23:11.53 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Ok - you need to work out what's happening - it's one of several things. |
| 23:11.55 | midas__ | any tips on how? |
| 23:12.24 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: A) It's lying about the DNS, and pointing you to their own server, and your proxy server is then connecting to that. |
| 23:12.50 | SpeedEvil | B) It's not lying about the DNS, and for some reason you're not making the connection to your proxy server - but being man-in-the-middled. |
| 23:13.00 | SpeedEvil | C) something else. |
| 23:13.04 | SpeedEvil | D) Underpants. |
| 23:13.15 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I just tried an ip |
| 23:13.17 | SpeedEvil | Inspect the logs on the proxy server. |
| 23:13.21 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | instead of domain |
| 23:13.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | same thing |
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| 23:13.30 | SpeedEvil | Is it in fact connecting to the proxy server from the phone |
| 23:13.38 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | logs show no connections from the 3g |
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| 23:13.51 | lcuk | midas__, he tracker database can be reset by opening up "X Terminal" and typing "tracker-processes -r", then hitting enter. afaik |
| 23:14.10 | MohammadAG | welcomes himself back |
| 23:14.29 | MohammadAG | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, how exactly do you remember your nick... |
| 23:14.36 | midas__ | lcuk: thanks. gonna try that |
| 23:14.49 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: what happens if you go to https://64.4.241.33/ - in the browser? |
| 23:15.01 | lcuk | MohammadAG, same way everyone else does |
| 23:15.01 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: It should say 'untrusted site/broken cert' |
| 23:15.11 | SpeedEvil | It's a paypal server |
| 23:15.15 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I got you bacon |
| 23:15.25 | lcuk | :D rly? |
| 23:15.36 | MohammadAG | yeah :D |
| 23:16.27 | lcuk | i bet you havent got a replacement back cover for 900 have you :p |
| 23:16.37 | midas__ | seems to work lcuk ! |
| 23:16.42 | lcuk | the spring sprung through the superglue <@> |
| 23:16.55 | lcuk | midas__, good ! |
| 23:16.56 | MohammadAG | lcuk, why should I :) |
| 23:17.02 | nextime | thanks god to give us a tab key :D |
| 23:17.21 | lcuk | looks @ n900 and curses nextime |
| 23:17.34 | midas__ | god had nothing to do with it |
| 23:17.52 | nextime | lcuk : on n900 irssi client/x-terminal it is emulated on the touch screen |
| 23:17.54 | nextime | :P |
| 23:17.58 | MohammadAG | suggest remapping |
| 23:18.02 | MohammadAG | suggests* |
| 23:18.12 | lcuk | *rapping |
| 23:18.17 | MohammadAG | needs a new keyboard |
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| 23:18.42 | lcuk | theres so much qt code |
| 23:19.06 | lcuk | that doesnt do what i expect |
| 23:19.10 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: I think B) man-in-the-middled is the most fitting of the evidence |
| 23:19.14 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | what is the next thing to try? |
| 23:19.19 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | that didn't connect btw |
| 23:19.24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | (the ip) |
| 23:20.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, told you Qt was evil. |
| 23:20.19 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: In what way diddn't it connect? |
| 23:20.21 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:20.43 | SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I mean - don't try to go through the proxy - go directly to that site |
| 23:21.07 | midas__ | yay! |
| 23:21.08 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it was just blocked |
| 23:21.18 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I tried in cmdline "request to proxy sent" awaiting respond using wget |
| 23:21.21 | SpeedEvil | If connecting to the https port on payals servers doesn't work - the chance of anything else working is vanishingly small IMO |
| 23:21.28 | SpeedEvil | not proxy |
| 23:21.29 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | also, I don't understand what the settings in connection do |
| 23:21.29 | SpeedEvil | direct |
| 23:21.36 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | in advanced |
| 23:21.51 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | there is "proxies" which is what I'm using, and "ip addresses" |
| 23:22.11 | midas__ | use a ssl tunnel to route your own traffic? |
| 23:22.14 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | which i havent messed with, but it has two options: auto-retreive ip addresses and auto-retreive dns -should I try these? |
| 23:22.19 | midas__ | ssh* |
| 23:24.16 | nextime | suggest openvpn |
| 23:25.28 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: I export the proxy, wget the paypal IP, then it says it is getting a file called index.html.1, then it says connected to my proxy server, then it says proxy request sent awaiting response |
| 23:26.44 | SpeedEvil | IP addresses are - generally - for static IPs |
| 23:26.54 | SpeedEvil | Don't set them at all |
| 23:27.12 | SpeedEvil | unset proxies |
| 23:27.26 | SpeedEvil | now try connecting without a proxy to the above site - paypals https port |
| 23:27.32 | SpeedEvil | with the browser |
| 23:27.48 | SpeedEvil | that should give you a certificate error - saying that the certificate is untrusted |
| 23:28.00 | SpeedEvil | If you can make a https connection to that server. |
| 23:28.19 | SpeedEvil | If you cannot, it'll either time out, or be redirected to the ISPs servers. |
| 23:28.24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | wait, don't set any proxies in the tmo connect pref? |
| 23:28.28 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:28.38 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | they block port 80, thought that was the whole point |
| 23:28.44 | SpeedEvil | See what's happening without the proxy - it's obscuring things at this point |
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| 23:29.13 | SpeedEvil | They may not block https - as you fundamentally can't man-in-the-middle a https connection. |
| 23:29.29 | SpeedEvil | (and have it work, without munging the certificates on the host) |
| 23:30.08 | MohammadAG | hah! Freenode crashed |
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| 23:30.13 | MohammadAG | <3 it when that happens |
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| 23:30.55 | SpeedEvil | Don't worry - you're on the good half. |
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| 23:31.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2010/06/officially-our-bestever-cease.html :) |
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| 23:34.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how do i type a tilde on the n900? |
| 23:34.19 | MohammadAG | a what? |
| 23:34.20 | Mousey | just hit ~ |
| 23:34.41 | MohammadAG | Blue arrow + CTRL (Sym) |
| 23:36.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | aww shanpz |
| 23:38.02 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ...working on it SpeedEvil, I can't see what is going on in fennec, but it is obvious that when I try to visit that ip on the cmdline with wget it still tries to use my proxy for some reason, maybe i need to power cycle |
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| 23:38.32 | Lullen | I got my program(qexercise) installed in /usr/local/bin/qexercise. What I am trying to do is try to look if there is a folder(wich the program should have made) with the x-terminal but it wont let me enter the folder... I have tried as root too. How do I get inside the folder? |
| 23:39.56 | lcuk | obi wan: "thats probably not the folder you are looking for" |
| 23:41.11 | SpeedEvil | ar eyou root? |
| 23:41.29 | Lullen | what folder do I look for then? I got the path by using "qDebug() << QApplication::applicationFilePath ();" |
| 23:41.33 | Lullen | yes |
| 23:41.54 | lcuk | thats the path to the binary |
| 23:42.01 | lcuk | where it stores its data is different |
| 23:42.08 | Lullen | where should that be? |
| 23:42.50 | lcuk | at a guess /home/user/qexercise or similar |
| 23:43.15 | Lullen | okey thanks |
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| 23:45.38 | lcuk | Lullen, which data specifically are you looking for |
| 23:46.16 | Lullen | I am not looking for any data, I am now saving all my files at MyDocs |
| 23:46.31 | Lullen | So I need to move it to a proper place |
| 23:46.46 | lcuk | because it seems to store some of its info in cml files on the root of MyDocs (/home/user/MyDocs/program.xml exercises.xml settings.xml |
| 23:46.54 | lcuk | history.xml |
| 23:47.05 | lcuk | xml ^ |
| 23:47.35 | Lullen | yeah thats what I am fixing |
| 23:47.41 | MohammadAG | heh, MyDocs is far from being proper :) |
| 23:47.50 | Lullen | ye I know :) |
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| 23:48.04 | lcuk | ahh Lullen you are the developer? |
| 23:48.07 | Lullen | yes |
| 23:48.13 | MohammadAG | lcuk, so slow :) |
| 23:48.13 | lcuk | cool! |
| 23:48.20 | Lullen | haha |
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| 23:48.42 | Lullen | So I should store it in /home/user/qexercise? |
| 23:48.53 | MohammadAG | suggests /home/user/.qexercise |
| 23:48.56 | lcuk | /home/user/.qexercise would be the normal folder then :P but you should pick up the /home/user part dynamically |
| 23:49.16 | Lullen | how do I do that? |
| 23:49.20 | lcuk | because when people on different OSes pickup your app (meego) the path will be different |
| 23:49.28 | lcuk | im not sure atm in qt |
| 23:49.40 | lcuk | it will be available |
| 23:49.46 | lcuk | i just dunno how |
| 23:49.51 | MohammadAG | suggests gexercise, |
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| 23:50.03 | MohammadAG | starts an anti-Qt campaign |
| 23:50.10 | Lullen | haha |
| 23:50.11 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | does google voice let anyone call you and visa versa (like skype in/out)? |
| 23:50.18 | SpeedEvil | ncursexercise. |
| 23:51.51 | lcuk | MohammadAG, i read his initial request to be that he had something installed - im bedding soon im tired |
| 23:52.31 | Lullen | sleep?! now+! |
| 23:52.32 | Lullen | ?! |
| 23:53.39 | lcuk | !! indeed but i dozed off earlier |
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| 23:54.19 | Lullen | Not OK, you should be up helping me |
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| 23:56.13 | lcuk | *grin* |
| 23:56.21 | Lullen | or Meego is not out yet, why care about it? I got enough problems as it is :) |
| 23:56.51 | lcuk | sure Lullen but thinking carefully and spending a little extra time now will save you the trouble in future |
| 23:56.58 | lcuk | and its not just for meego |
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| 23:57.30 | MohammadAG51 | in short, don't use hardcoded crap |
| 23:57.31 | lcuk | because you have written your app in qt - if you are inside its walled garden you should be able to just use it on symbian for instance |
| 23:57.33 | MohammadAG51 | :) |
| 23:57.41 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:59.03 | Lullen | yeah I know but I need to get it working and I will probebly have to edit it when I optify it, I guess... |
| 23:59.06 | Lullen | or? |
