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| 00:48.20 | crashanddie | I'm betting 10 minutes before I get a "too long, didn't read" comment as a reply to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722229&postcount=9 |
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| 00:48.39 | crashanddie | well, 10 minutes is probably optimistic at this time of day, most probably 5 or 6 hours |
| 00:51.07 | vldcnst | is it worth reading? |
| 00:51.48 | crashanddie | worth is in the eye of the beholder :) |
| 00:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Umm |
| 00:52.01 | vldcnst | and since you wrote it.. I get your point. |
| 00:52.09 | SpeedEvil | From memory, that's the wrong mars-face image |
| 00:52.15 | SpeedEvil | the higher res one |
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| 00:53.50 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: meh, just took whatever google images gave me |
| 00:53.59 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mars_face_HiRISE_MRO.png |
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| 00:54.08 | SpeedEvil | Odd - I remember a lot more detail |
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| 00:54.43 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, that's one effin long post to read |
| 00:56.01 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: how big is that mountain again? isn't it like 20 meters per pixel or something stupid? |
| 00:57.05 | SpeedEvil | Ah - I see - I think the image I saw was height exaggerated |
| 00:57.07 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:57.36 | SpeedEvil | http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/index.html |
| 00:59.41 | zash | SpeedEvil: You usualy need to do that or it'll be hard to see the z diff |
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| 01:01.38 | vldcnst | well, it was worth reading. |
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| 01:08.14 | crashanddie | I'm betting that in about 20 minutes, two smoking hot chicks will bring me a big fat $200k lump of money, and will do whatever I want for the rest of the summer. |
| 01:08.33 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: make it happen, buddy |
| 01:10.04 | MohammadAG51 | sends two tar.bz-s each containing infobot's source with an "echo "$200k"" edited into it |
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| 01:31.11 | njsf_ | re |
| 01:31.26 | luke-jr | no |
| 01:31.34 | vldcnst | indeed! |
| 01:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | quark |
| 01:33.08 | SpeedEvil | notices that crashanddie has been silent ever since 20 mins after his pronouncement. |
| 01:36.07 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: re: that conditioning experiment. http://www.jstor.org/pss/1419345 - I immediately thought of replacing the pigeon with camgirls, and comparing the results. |
| 01:37.28 | crashanddie | thanks for that link |
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| 01:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: muhaha jstor blocks visitors when cookies disabled |
| 01:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | so screwit |
| 01:45.22 | SpeedEvil | jstor? |
| 01:45.29 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 01:45.37 | vldcnst | brain lag? |
| 01:45.50 | SpeedEvil | I forgot where I'd linked to |
| 01:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: you got noooo idea dudue |
| 01:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | I just dug thru 9xxMB of TI Calypso modem FW sourcecode |
| 01:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | now I feel like the living proof of extraterestrial life being existent |
| 01:47.42 | SpeedEvil | Funky. |
| 01:48.04 | SpeedEvil | the actual GSM-side? |
| 01:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | parts |
| 01:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | Layer1 has some |
| 01:48.20 | SpeedEvil | oh yeah |
| 01:48.28 | SpeedEvil | there are two cores aren't there |
| 01:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | and a DSP |
| 01:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | and a LCD interface, and a kbd interface and and and |
| 01:49.08 | SpeedEvil | Leaked somehow, or legit? |
| 01:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'd MINE, alll MINE |
| 01:49.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:49.42 | SpeedEvil | Not actually that interested in reading it. |
| 01:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | MOKO11 |
| 01:49.56 | SpeedEvil | I could in principle do funky stuff with it - but I wouldn't. |
| 01:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's maximum boring stuff |
| 01:50.12 | SpeedEvil | Simply as I have way more stuff to do than time. |
| 01:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | you could - maybe - dig out how to change the IMEI |
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| 01:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, the 900MB figure is a bit missleading as there are lots of huge pdf's and even a js runtime environment for windows in there as well, cygwin and whatnot |
| 01:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | pco2 debugging tool |
| 01:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | *yawn* |
| 01:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | still it's the most comprehensive modem FW source Ive seen so far (and the only one :-P) |
| 01:57.49 | SpeedEvil | One of those things that is interesting in principle, but in practice, to do anything at all with would take hundresds of hours of effort. |
| 01:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly |
| 02:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | Which seems Dieter and Harald had over the last year :-D |
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| 02:03.34 | Snaht10 | hello. Quick question for anyone who might know (as opposed to those questions directed to the clueless...): I'd like to remove the grey bezel from my Nokia n810 to apply a screen protector. I need to unscrew it from the back, yes? |
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| 02:08.14 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you under NDA? |
| 02:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 02:08.30 | luke-jr | bah |
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| 02:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, technically I had to check if I'm *still* under NDA, but don't feel like messing with it |
| 02:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you got a phone with calypso gsm chipset? |
| 02:38.11 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if I can make an open firmware for one, I might :p |
| 02:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: bad luck then, even what openmoko got from TI is >70% blobs |
| 02:40.56 | luke-jr | bad luck? :p |
| 02:40.59 | luke-jr | I meant I'd buy one |
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| 02:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but there's no open firmware in vicinity from this little fancy. Check what laf0rge aka Harald Welte @ gnumonks.org has done for open firmware on calypso. AIUI it's based on a leaked version of the calypso frimware tailored for another phone - just as a 'documentation' for the chipset functions, and then they implemented an own stack based on that knowledge |
| 02:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | you might find details on his blog |
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| 02:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ and http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/ |
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| 03:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: damn I didn't want to shock you, or make you angry as now you probably need to buy that crap with calypso chipset. Or is there any other reason you're so quiet? :-P |
| 03:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, quiet earth... |
| 03:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 03:21.30 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 03:22.37 | vldcnst | snacks? I'll have salmon with butter and a bit of lemon. |
| 03:22.51 | ZogG | meh |
| 03:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | I hate my empty fridge :-( |
| 03:23.34 | ZogG | at least you have fridge =( |
| 03:23.56 | vldcnst | you have internet and no fridge? what's wrong with you! |
| 03:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah eating power like mad, to cool down 0.5L of milk |
| 03:24.33 | ZogG | vldcnst i'm eating thru internet |
| 03:24.51 | ZogG | thousand gibs a day |
| 03:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: please a pointer to a mini-HowTo |
| 03:25.23 | ZogG | it's a secret of kunfu internet maste |
| 03:25.24 | vldcnst | indeed |
| 03:25.26 | ZogG | master |
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| 03:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 03:25.57 | vldcnst | share or we will be forced to assimilate you |
| 03:26.17 | ZogG | i think this secret will go with to grave |
| 03:26.25 | ZogG | nothing personal |
| 03:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | Yeah I knew some dude who found out how to stop eating completely. Alas he took this knowledge with him to his grave, some 6 weeks later |
| 03:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | (no kidding :-/ ) |
| 03:28.42 | vldcnst | ouch |
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| 03:46.06 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: just not interested enough :) |
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| 04:00.26 | rodald | hi everyone, right now i am trying to flash my device because the kernel was uninstalled and right now it doesnt turns on, i am using the maemo flasher 3.5 and i runed the comand C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5exe âF RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin âf -R, and it shows: "flasher-3.exe" isnt recognized as an internal or external comand, program or file for runing lots, i translated it from spanis |
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| 04:04.30 | rodald | anyone? |
| 04:05.19 | lcuk | rodald, the command line is incorrect ;) |
| 04:05.30 | lcuk | flasher-3.5exe <<<< look carefully there |
| 04:05.35 | lcuk | you are missing a "." |
| 04:05.57 | rodald | what do i have incorrect ohh i have an extra dot, let me try again, thank you very much |
| 04:06.40 | lcuk | goes bac to sleep |
| 04:08.32 | rodald | still shows me the same mistake :( X 1000 |
| 04:08.57 | lcuk | rodald, do a "dir" in the folder you are in |
| 04:09.16 | lcuk | does it show correctly the .exe flasher |
| 04:09.47 | rodald | what its a dir and how do i do it? sorry i dont know that much on this |
| 04:09.59 | lcuk | well on the command line now, just type dir |
| 04:10.17 | lcuk | and it will list all the contents of that folder |
| 04:10.18 | rodald | ok and then? |
| 04:10.50 | lcuk | tell you what - lets start simpler, what does your command line show right now |
| 04:10.51 | rodald | ok now what do i do? |
| 04:11.44 | lcuk | mine (on windows xp) starts with "C:\Documents and Settings\Gary>" |
| 04:11.49 | lcuk | what does your have.. |
| 04:12.02 | rodald | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5 |
| 04:12.11 | lcuk | ok, type dir and press enter |
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| 04:12.17 | lcuk | it should list some files |
| 04:12.27 | lcuk | tell me what it shows |
| 04:12.32 | rodald | i runed it and it shows the file |
| 04:13.35 | rodald | flasher, help, licences, readme, COMBINED, unins.dat, unins.exe |
| 04:13.37 | lcuk | shows what file.. be specific here |
| 04:13.47 | lcuk | the name is "flasher" only? |
| 04:14.05 | rodald | flasher-3.5.exe |
| 04:14.23 | rodald | was trying to make it shorter |
| 04:14.24 | lcuk | ok, type that in and press enter - no parameters |
| 04:14.40 | lcuk | just the flasher-3.5.exe part |
| 04:14.45 | lcuk | lets make sure windows can find it and it runs it |
| 04:15.27 | rodald | yes it asks me for permision |
| 04:15.42 | lcuk | ok, so its different to when you used the long command line.. |
| 04:16.03 | rodald | yes |
| 04:16.06 | lcuk | do you know where you have stored the RX-51 file |
| 04:16.18 | lcuk | is meant to be sleeping now |
| 04:16.55 | rodald | yes its in the same carpet prgm files,maemo,flasher-3.5 |
| 04:17.32 | lcuk | ahh that would be the COMBINED shortening you used ;) |
| 04:17.40 | rodald | correct |
| 04:18.00 | lcuk | alright, so enter flasher-3.5.exe and all the parameters as you did before and try again |
| 04:18.13 | lcuk | since we know now that windows recognises it if you spell it correctly ;) |
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| 04:23.52 | rodald | sorry, i am back my other phone went dead and i am using it as a modem |
| 04:24.45 | rodald | ok so i runed the comand now and it asked for concent to run, i agreed and nothing else happened do i have to wait? |
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| 04:36.32 | rodald | right now i runned C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5exe âF RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin âf -R, and windows asked for permision for it to run, i agreed and nothing else happend does the flasher or the device show somethin to say its flashing? |
| 04:38.38 | rodald | anyone knows what should i do? |
| 04:41.24 | ham5 | flasher was pretty stright forward for me showed it was flashing right in the terminal |
| 04:41.48 | ham5 | when I got into the phone how can I get it to come up as the dial pad by default?? |
| 04:41.48 | rodald | it doesnt show anything |
| 04:42.04 | ham5 | are you starting up the device corectly? |
| 04:42.31 | rodald | yes pressing the u key and it shows the usb on the corner |
| 04:46.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | please refer to instructions in? |
| 04:46.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing |
| 04:46.57 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 04:48.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | for windows iirc there's suggested to 'run commad as admin: cmd' |
| 04:49.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | this shall give you a terminal window where windows will NOT ask for permission to execute flasher |
| 04:51.00 | rodald | ok let me try that |
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| 05:02.07 | rodald | ok did it again as cmd and the same it asks me for permision and then nothing happens, should i be able to see something on the flasher or on the device? |
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| 05:05.28 | rodald | i noticed that the i had the command wrong and i fixed it, now when i runned it an other black window poped up and desapeared, am i doing it right? |
| 05:11.27 | rodald | thank you so much to every one that helped me with this i really apreciate it |
| 05:15.47 | dotblank | Wouldn't it be cool if there was a phone with a 3d screen like the 3ds |
| 05:16.28 | dotblank | not too sure how it would work due common rotating of phones |
| 05:18.23 | ham5 | need to get the rotating a little better on the one screen they got imo |
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| 05:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | honestly wonders if >>Open the Command Prompt (Start then Run or Windows Logo key + R) and type cmd then press Enter.<< from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is clear enough and correct, for windows users |
| 05:25.50 | zash | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't matter, someone will fail horribly anyways |
| 05:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | also the part about admin seems to miss completely |
| 05:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | I got no product from Redmond here, so I'm sorry but can't check nor suggest a better instruction |
| 05:27.08 | zash | Hopefully, the users who would fail in epic ways isn't the target market for n900 |
| 05:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | ooh yes. I forgot. You got a point there |
| 05:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | probably these were the users that complain like mad about they got no idea what that /etc and /bin and /usr crap in HFM is for and what it means, once we finally get the fsckng libhildonfm2 fixed |
| 05:29.43 | ham5 | can I get the dial pad to come up instead of recent calls when I start the phone ? |
| 05:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | ham5: good call. Tell me if you find out, I'd be interested as well |
| 05:31.27 | RST38h | moo all |
| 05:32.12 | zash | apt-get moo |
| 05:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 05:33.52 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 05:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | dman what a skinny cow |
| 05:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | damn even |
| 05:34.34 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.35 | ham5 | < moooo > |
| 05:34.36 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.37 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.38 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.39 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.40 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.41 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.42 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.43 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 05:34.52 | RST38h | that's a dog. |
| 05:35.21 | ham5 | cowsay sorry |
| 05:35.22 | ham5 | cow |
| 05:36.35 | zash | ham5: w t f |
| 05:37.10 | ham5 | hi |
| 05:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | now I finilly got it why you better used fixed width font in IRC |
| 05:41.25 | ham5 | :) |
| 05:41.32 | ham5 | for all the leetness |
| 05:43.40 | RST38h | cackles satisfied, as he is reading the Nokia gripes thread |
| 05:43.59 | RST38h | Pretty much all the oldtimers made their comments |
| 05:44.01 | ham5 | wheres that at? |
| 05:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | you have strange hobbies, gentlemen |
| 05:44.29 | RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55913 |
| 05:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | I think povbot should learn to answer tmo URL posts with the topic of the thread |
| 05:45.24 | RST38h | true |
| 05:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | like with bug #420 |
| 05:45.43 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420 Request: adding an entire folder of files to audio player playlist |
| 05:45.53 | RST38h | Next, we need to teach it autopost our IRC comments back to threads |
| 05:45.58 | RST38h | Doc: that is done |
| 05:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | heh, god beware |
| 05:46.21 | RST38h | And, finally, the povbot should be able to participate in tmo discussions on its own =) |
| 05:46.46 | RST38h | Shouldn't be difficult, given the average level of intellect there nowadays |
| 05:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | you know this will inevitably end in povbot echoing the most spammed tmo threads to #maemo? :-O |
| 05:47.29 | RST38h | No, I said echo #maemo to tmo, not the vice versa |
| 05:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | you won't stop halfway |
| 05:47.49 | RST38h | Ah, shit: "China pledges to revalue yuan" <=== if you were going to buy some gadget, do it NOW |
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| 06:04.47 | lauri | hey guys, can anyone of you tell me how to add single python files to setuptools script? I can add packages but I cant add single files |
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| 06:11.00 | lauri | got it, it was "py_modules" |
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| 06:41.23 | Stskeeps | ah yes, http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/18/htc-issues-cease-desist-to-hackers-for-cooked-roms.html |
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| 06:43.42 | Ken-Young | I wonder what part of the word "selling" they are having trouble understanding. |
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| 06:45.26 | Stskeeps | we would technically see those kind of C&D regarding MeeGo trademark though if the device is not meego compliant |
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| 06:50.59 | titman | is portrait mode coming to N900? |
| 06:52.10 | titman | is everybody sleeping??? |
| 06:52.25 | Ken-Young | Nope. |
| 06:53.02 | titman | where is voice navigation for ovi maps? |
| 06:53.31 | Ken-Young | I don't think the N900 version has it. |
| 06:53.31 | Stskeeps | dunno, this isn't a nokia support channel |
| 06:53.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:54.27 | titman | it's a maemo channel and maemo is on N900 right? |
| 06:54.40 | Stskeeps | yes.. but we don't know of nokia plans |
| 06:54.45 | Stskeeps | rest of the stuff you can google for |
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| 06:55.19 | titman | i cant google right now I'm driving a car |
| 06:55.33 | Stskeeps | yet you can IRC? :P |
| 06:55.35 | RST38h | maybe you should not be able to irc right now, too? |
| 06:55.57 | titman | irc is like texting... it's easier |
| 06:56.09 | Stskeeps | right, not helping you kill people |
| 06:56.11 | Stskeeps | goes get breakfast |
| 06:56.18 | Ken-Young | I respect a man who stays on the IRC while driving." |
| 06:56.40 | titman | that's the power of N900 |
| 06:56.48 | titman | using xchat |
| 06:58.53 | RST38h | watches a tv report of a 7xx-series BMW hitting an expensive sporty motorcycle last night |
| 06:59.35 | RST38h | nice, clean self-liquidation for both drivers |
| 07:01.12 | titman | anybody know links to watch world cup games on n900. free, i dont wanna pay for nothing |
| 07:01.59 | zash | titman: irc and watching football while driving ... |
| 07:02.14 | Stskeeps | titman: talk.maemo.org, search there |
| 07:02.23 | titman | ok |
| 07:02.43 | titman | it's a long drive for me and it's boring |
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| 07:04.06 | Ken-Young | titman, Maybe you should try cooking something in the passenger seat, while texting on the IRC and watching football. |
| 07:04.07 | RST38h | titman: driving a BMW by any chance? =) |
| 07:05.01 | Ken-Young | And remember, the faster you drive, the faster you'll get there. |
| 07:05.37 | RST38h | yea, the paramedics will be delighted about your arrival |
| 07:05.45 | titman | i'm driving slow and careful... all this talk about not texting when driving is overblown |
| 07:07.43 | jacekowski | titman: http://acloserlookatutah.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/grim-reaper.jpg |
| 07:08.26 | titman | lol... |
| 07:08.42 | titman | i'm taking a break right now gotta piss |
| 07:08.49 | jacekowski | hmm, canada |
| 07:09.07 | Ken-Young | titman, That's why cars have windows - don't slow down! |
| 07:09.27 | titman | love the smell of grass in middle of the night |
| 07:10.01 | titman | it's so peaceful too, not too many cars on the road right now |
| 07:10.10 | RST38h | will you irc with us while pissing? |
| 07:10.57 | jacekowski | if i would be living in canada i would call the police |
| 07:11.09 | jacekowski | but because chances of me being there anytime soon are remote |
| 07:11.12 | RST38h | you can still call the police |
| 07:11.17 | jacekowski | and i don't care about other people |
| 07:11.31 | jacekowski | and when i'll be there you will probably be dead |
| 07:11.34 | RST38h | international calls are cheap, call the mounties |
| 07:11.53 | titman | who thought this would be possible 10 years ago? computers were big ugly boxes |
| 07:12.11 | titman | now i can drive and irc an do other shit |
| 07:12.29 | RST38h | well 10 years ago MIT had SPARCstations in dorm restrooms |
| 07:12.34 | RST38h | So, yes, you *could*. |
| 07:12.45 | jacekowski | you're shitting while driving? |
| 07:13.31 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmTG6pbGBo |
| 07:13.45 | jacekowski | something for the morning |
| 07:13.45 | titman | youj guys are mean and nasty. i drive for a living... i dont have the time to sit in front of my fucking ciomputer all day... i irc whenever i can |
| 07:14.08 | jacekowski | that sounds even worse |
| 07:14.44 | titman | and you're making fun of this? |
| 07:15.08 | RST38h | is that a huge multwheeler you are driving? |
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| 07:15.47 | RST38h | can I even hope it is a gas tanker? |
| 07:15.51 | titman | hold on.....cops ahead....brb |
| 07:16.34 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lze88sU9IGg |
| 07:17.10 | jacekowski | he went to court for that |
| 07:17.29 | titman | jacekowski: cant click on your link....too much fucking around with a stylus when driving |
| 07:17.49 | RST38h | vaguely remembers one of these skidding sideways and hitting a row of toll booths somewhere at I85 |
| 07:17.52 | RST38h | I95 sorry |
| 07:18.29 | Ken-Young | Taking out toll booths is God's work. |
| 07:18.37 | RST38h | more or less, yes |
| 07:19.32 | titman | going back to my original question: so this is a channel for developers? |
| 07:19.47 | RST38h | among other things |
| 07:19.57 | Stskeeps | it's a general channel for the community but we're not your google |
| 07:20.00 | sheepbat | <waits for a "brb, having an accident"> |
| 07:20.20 | titman | where are the good apps? right now apple is kicking your asses |
| 07:20.29 | RST38h | google. |
| 07:20.38 | jacekowski | it's like a flight recorder |
| 07:20.50 | sheepbat | it actually is, once carman is ported |
| 07:20.51 | jacekowski | last couple minutes of what's happening in his lorry |
| 07:21.20 | Stskeeps | titman: we're not nokia people, you know |
| 07:21.38 | titman | i know....whats your point? |
| 07:22.11 | titman | i gotta pull over now |
| 07:22.37 | RST38h | His point is that if you are going to complain about Nokia pissing you off, this is the wrong venue for that |
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| 07:23.39 | titman | how do i share shit on irc? if i wanted to show you a pic from my n900 what do i click on in xchat....just got the app still learning it |
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| 07:26.07 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722369&postcount=30 - Step to step guide for having 'working' GLES1 on N8x0 |
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| 07:27.45 | sheepbat | good riddance |
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| 07:28.09 | bef0rd | woot thanks Stskeeps, gonna try that |
| 07:28.16 | BCMM | it's amazing the way the newbies never stay around long enough to get answers... |
| 07:28.37 | jacekowski | maybe he's dead |
| 07:28.42 | jacekowski | wrapped around some tree |
| 07:28.53 | sheepbat | waste of a good tree |
| 07:29.04 | BCMM | one can hope, but it's hard to use a DSL connection while driving |
| 07:29.20 | sheepbat | ...that's a good point |
| 07:30.21 | jacekowski | but how stupid you have to be to do it anyways |
| 07:30.49 | jacekowski | it's worse than talking at the phone as you don't have to look at it every so often |
| 07:32.04 | BCMM | i'm pretty sure IRC is even less compatible with driving than texting is |
| 07:33.05 | jacekowski | autoanswering machine on n900 would be nice |
| 07:33.18 | jacekowski | and if it could pull current location and speed out of gps |
| 07:34.05 | jacekowski | hi, whoever you are, i'm on M25 doing 100mph and i can't take your call, if you really need to speak to me press 1 and i'll pull over and call you back |
| 07:34.26 | BCMM | i have always wanted an answering machine that can say "i'm in a restaurant [or whatever], press 1 if it's an emergency, otherwise leave a message" |
| 07:34.37 | BCMM | (with 1 causing the phone to actually ring) |
| 07:34.45 | BCMM | yeah |
| 07:35.07 | sheepbat | and then the stalker knows how to get to you, jacekowski |
| 07:35.14 | zash | BCMM: On-phone answering machine ey? |
| 07:35.17 | BCMM | yeah, i wouldn't actually make location that available |
| 07:35.26 | BCMM | zash: well, that is what jacekowski was talking about |
| 07:35.37 | BCMM | do other platforms have on-phone answering machines of any sort? |
| 07:35.56 | zash | I've seen discussion on that before, back when #openmoko was promising |
| 07:35.59 | jacekowski | i don't think so |
| 07:36.13 | BCMM | and is it technically feasible on maemo, without extra stuff getting open-sourced |
| 07:36.14 | jacekowski | but it shouldn't be too hard to do on n900 |
| 07:36.15 | auenfx4 | there are on-phone answering machine apps for some platforms |
| 07:36.20 | auenfx4 | symbian definately |
| 07:36.37 | jacekowski | BCMM: some workarounds, but it's possible |
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| 07:40.04 | auenfx4 | heres one that aparently acts like an IVR http://my-symbian.com/s60v3/software/applications.php?faq=1&fldAuto=156 |
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| 07:53.29 | RST38h | 1 |
| 07:57.24 | RST38h | wonders where that weird guy got FBReader 0.14 from |
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| 08:00.10 | Stskeeps | man, those 3d drivers are unstable.. |
| 08:00.41 | zash | Stskeeps: hah, I read that as "3d printers" |
| 08:01.13 | RST38h | imagines an unstable 3d printer, creating 3d bodies out of plastite |
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| 08:05.55 | Stskeeps | heh, the step to step guide is my 1000th post on tmo |
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| 08:07.34 | RST38h | Is that something to celebrate or mourn? |
| 08:07.53 | Stskeeps | i'm pondering to retire |
| 08:07.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:10.19 | RST38h | not until you make an obligatory "I have got an iPhone|Android" post |
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| 08:30.29 | sejo | soo nitdroid didn't work :p |
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| 08:31.13 | lardman | hey chaps |
| 08:31.29 | Stskeeps | moo |
| 08:31.36 | Stskeeps | lardman: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722369&postcount=30 |
| 08:32.16 | lardman | Stskeeps: cool, well done :) |
| 08:32.41 | Stskeeps | lardman: running into some MBX HW recovery issues but hmm |
| 08:33.16 | lardman | caused by the driver not handling the hw correctly? Too much data being pushed at it? HW bug? |
| 08:33.29 | lardman | or answer 4, no-one knows? ;) |
| 08:33.30 | Stskeeps | not sure, but i guess there's some hints in the debug output |
| 08:33.56 | lardman | do you have a copy somewhere? |
| 08:34.33 | Stskeeps | not handy |
| 08:35.03 | lardman | np, will do the install when I have a bit of spare time |
| 08:35.14 | Stskeeps | i can't get OpenVG working which bothers me a bit as i was planning on using it for qt acceleration |
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| 08:36.03 | lardman | are these drivers the ones that are supposed to work on this chip? |
| 08:36.48 | Stskeeps | well, it is OMAP24XX |
| 08:38.50 | lardman | yeah, but there are significant differences between e.g. the 2420 and 2430 afaiu |
| 08:38.58 | lardman | I was just wondering |
| 08:39.19 | Stskeeps | mm, good question |
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| 08:39.56 | Stskeeps | i guess openvg would be VGP lite? |
| 08:41.00 | Stskeeps | Texas Instruments OMAP 2420âMBX + VGP + FPU (VFP11) + ARM1136 |
| 08:41.05 | lardman | well that I don't know, but I thought the 2420 had better hw inside actually |
| 08:41.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, my thought too |
| 08:41.28 | lardman | or more features at least, but whether the code has been written to use those, rather than the VGP Lite only Ti can know |
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| 08:42.12 | lardman | I'm unsure why a later chip has less hw unless the 2420 was a pita to program for the VGP, so they went lite and made it easier? |
| 08:42.15 | lardman | or perhaps a cost thing |
| 08:42.26 | Stskeeps | good question |
| 08:43.07 | BluesLee | i need a diary app on the n900, something which offers passowrd protection and a global search function, any hints? |
| 08:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so you not fried you gfx hw ? :-D |
| 08:43.40 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: not completely, at least |
| 08:43.48 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: perhaps that's the problem, would work fine for everyone else! ;) |
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| 08:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | actually it's not completely impossible to let the magic blue smoke out of some function block of SoC |
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| 08:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: (cost thing) quite likely. Imagine they got poor yield due to complex chip design |
| 08:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | or couldn't rise clock without dropping a few critical blocks |
| 08:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes features even turn out to do no good and just eat silicon real estate and power |
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| 08:50.34 | lardman | yep |
| 08:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | mumble "glamo" |
| 08:50.57 | lardman | the clock thing sounds familiar even with the linked CPU/DSP clocks |
| 08:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~glamo |
| 08:51.13 | infobot | i guess glamo is http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.openmoko.org+glamo+raster, or http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/000114.html |
| 08:51.43 | lardman | what's the name of that app which sits in the task bar and tells you your camera shutter is open? |
| 08:51.58 | lardman | and while I'm at it, can I capture the hw shutter release button? |
| 08:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | probably one of whole history's worst 'improvements' over the predecessor device |
| 08:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: capture what? |
| 08:53.24 | lardman | as in in code, I want to use the keypress |
| 08:53.40 | lardman | does it come in as a normal keypress or is it removed from the stack earlier |
| 08:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 08:53.56 | Stskeeps | i wonder if the PVR2D apis are valuable for anyone |
| 08:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | d-bus will have it |
| 08:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | also there's a sysnode with the state |
| 08:55.08 | alterego | yawns |
| 08:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | yawns back |
| 08:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 08:55.34 | infobot | from memory, xyawn is strong coffee |
| 08:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 08:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 08:55.57 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
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| 08:59.08 | alterego | I don't understand how people can moan about or repos ... |
| 08:59.10 | lardman | ah, "Lens Cover Reminder" was the one |
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| 09:05.55 | lardman | bbiab, need to start the dreaded Windows for my wife to use |
| 09:10.39 | alterego | I wonder if this move to device series like 'N9' means that the hardware line will be much more inline. Kind of like the iphones, might help Nokia keeping older generation "tablets" up-to-date with firmware. |
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| 09:17.39 | alterego | I think I'm going to delete myself from a few mailing lists, it's so hard keeping up to date with all the crap. |
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| 09:25.23 | ham5 | can I get the dial pad to come up instead of recent calls when I start the phone ? |
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| 09:32.47 | alterego | ham5: how do you normally start the phone? Mine goes straight to dial pad but that's just because that's how I launch it :) |
| 09:33.08 | ham5 | how do you launch it? |
| 09:33.31 | ham5 | short cut on my desktop or the menu from the power button |
| 09:33.34 | ham5 | is how I do it |
| 09:33.50 | alterego | I just start typing in a number. |
| 09:35.03 | alterego | if your keyboad is out, just hold down one of the keys with a number on it. |
| 09:35.25 | alterego | Oh wait, that doesn't work. |
| 09:35.29 | ham5 | mmm no |
| 09:35.35 | alterego | You need to press Fn first :) |
| 09:36.21 | ham5 | ok thats kinda close |
| 09:36.41 | ham5 | now how can I get it to pop up just by launching phone? :) |
| 09:38.34 | alterego | YA seperate shortcut, |
| 09:38.48 | alterego | Or you could be cheaky and edit the normal phone ui one. |
| 09:39.38 | alterego | There's a dbus command you can use to show it. |
| 09:48.30 | ham5 | to bad im not linus torvalds |
| 09:48.56 | ham5 | like yourself |
| 09:51.14 | alterego | Well, if you give me a moment, I could try making the button from the power menu do that? |
| 09:51.20 | alterego | Would that help you? |
| 09:51.48 | ham5 | making it? |
| 09:51.53 | ham5 | you dont have to do all that |
| 09:52.18 | alterego | It's not as hard as it sounds ;) |
| 09:52.37 | alterego | Seriously, if you want it I can show you how :P |
| 09:52.42 | ham5 | if some one picks up my phone and wants to call I just dont want my recent calls showing up |
| 09:52.43 | ham5 | u know |
| 09:53.27 | alterego | Yeah |
| 09:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | anybody knows how to search a pattern in hexedit? |
| 09:54.29 | ham5 | crtl + f ? |
| 09:55.16 | ham5 | nm... |
| 09:55.17 | ham5 | Ctrl-S: search forward |
| 09:55.17 | ham5 | Ctrl-R: search backward |
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| 09:57.50 | dr34m | thats a bit annoying yea ham5 |
| 09:58.05 | dr34m | was also thinking about that.. everytime they see the whole call list :p |
| 09:59.08 | ham5 | got that wiki up yet alterego? ;) |
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| 10:15.56 | timeless_mbp | ham5: so... |
| 10:16.06 | timeless_mbp | on average, if you've used your n900 for a while |
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| 10:16.13 | timeless_mbp | how often do you expect to manually enter a phone number? |
| 10:16.30 | timeless_mbp | the n900 ui designers estimated that on average it'd be a rare task |
| 10:16.48 | timeless_mbp | they believe that you're *much* more likely to call people from your contacts or your recent call history |
| 10:17.00 | timeless_mbp | now, with a classic rotary phone, there was no question |
| 10:17.14 | timeless_mbp | obviously when you picked up the receiver, you would either: |
| 10:17.18 | alterego | I regularly use the call ui to enter in a phone number. |
| 10:17.21 | timeless_mbp | 1. talk to the operator and ask them to connect you |
| 10:17.43 | timeless_mbp | 2. slowly spin the rotary dial until you entered sufficient numbers to dial someone |
| 10:17.57 | timeless_mbp | alterego: does your n900 know those numbers? |
| 10:18.02 | alterego | Nope |
| 10:18.14 | alterego | It's a taxi firm, I can't be bothered to enter into my contacts :) |
| 10:18.39 | timeless_mbp | is it the *same* firm? |
| 10:18.51 | alterego | Mostly, yes :) |
| 10:18.58 | timeless_mbp | so your phone does know the number |
| 10:19.02 | timeless_mbp | i.e. it's in your call log |
| 10:19.07 | alterego | Yes, I guess it is. |
| 10:19.15 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 10:19.19 | timeless_mbp | the designers aren't wrong |
| 10:19.21 | timeless_mbp | you're just stubborn |
| 10:19.22 | timeless_mbp | next? |
| 10:19.26 | alterego | But it'd get dropped down pretty quickly as it's only every few days. |
| 10:19.45 | Venemo | alterego: scroll down, then? :P |
| 10:20.00 | alterego | I'm not knocking the designers, I'm just saying, we can do it, so why not? |
| 10:20.02 | timeless_mbp | well, the fact is that you could *trivially* name the contact 'taxi' |
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| 10:23.09 | timeless_mbp | i find whenever i try calling someone by phone number |
| 10:23.10 | alterego | Is there a way to somehow refresh the power menu without restarting the device? |
| 10:23.15 | timeless_mbp | my n900 says "you're calling <...>" |
| 10:23.22 | timeless_mbp | and i'm like, doh, why did i waste my time entering the number? |
| 10:23.32 | alterego | :) |
| 10:23.35 | timeless_mbp | alterego: afaik you tend to need to kill apps to do that |
| 10:23.41 | alterego | Hrm .. |
| 10:23.52 | timeless_mbp | it's generally one |
| 10:23.59 | timeless_mbp | my localization doesn't currently kill that menu |
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| 10:25.34 | alterego | pkill systemui does the trick :) |
| 10:25.51 | timeless_mbp | considers adding it to the kill list |
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| 10:26.10 | timeless_mbp | i currently kill 3 or 4 processes |
| 10:26.10 | alterego | What kill list? :P |
| 10:26.11 | kkal | whats the 'u' key on an n800? I need to reflash mine |
| 10:26.45 | alterego | kkal: It should automatically detect the flasher when it's starting up with USB plugged in, otherwise, it's the home button I believe. |
| 10:28.10 | MiXu- | On N900 it works at least so that you take out the battery, start flasher, plug the usb in to a device, insert the battery. |
| 10:28.26 | MiXu- | worth trying out |
| 10:29.28 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.34 | timeless_mbp | is my current list of victims |
| 10:30.43 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: how much are you familiar with hildon-desktop's workings? |
| 10:30.51 | kkal | hmph... That was quick |
| 10:30.54 | kkal | alterego: thanks |
| 10:30.57 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: i know quirks |
| 10:31.00 | timeless_mbp | workings don't interest me |
| 10:31.10 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: quirks is what I want :) |
| 10:31.15 | timeless_mbp | try me |
| 10:31.30 | alterego | ham5: done it |
| 10:31.37 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: what is the most effective way of knowing which is the currently active homescreen? |
| 10:32.04 | ham5 | ? |
| 10:32.09 | alterego | ham5: http://pastie.org/1012217 |
| 10:32.09 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: my guess is it's either in a dot-file or in a gconf bit |
| 10:32.14 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: so far, I know it can be found in a gconf entry and I can receive gconf callbacks for it |
| 10:32.14 | timeless_mbp | i'd use strace to figure it out |
| 10:32.24 | alterego | Make sure you backup the current callui.xml file before you put that in. |
| 10:32.26 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: however, it is vastly undocumented |
| 10:32.52 | alterego | ham5: it changes the "Phone" button in the power menu to open the dial pad instead of call history. |
| 10:33.11 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: normally, when I swipe between desktops, firstly it changes gconf, calls the gconf callbacks, and then sets the _HILDON_APPLET_ON_CURRENT_DESKTOP property for the widgets |
| 10:33.20 | alterego | I'm going to add an icon now .. |
| 10:33.31 | timeless_mbp | ok.. |
| 10:33.32 | timeless_mbp | and? |
| 10:34.02 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: there is a corner case when this is not the case |
| 10:34.09 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:34.14 | timeless_mbp | if i turn off desktops? |
| 10:34.27 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: when in edit mode and the user drags a widget to the next screen (but only after the user dragged it on the current one), this order is not the same |
| 10:34.39 | timeless_mbp | brilliant |
| 10:35.06 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: therefore, it becomes quite hacky to determine which homescreen a widget is currently on |
| 10:35.24 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: this is why I asked you if you know a more effective way around it :) |
| 10:35.41 | timeless_mbp | not offhand |
| 10:35.52 | timeless_mbp | i presume you've done the standard gconf / dbus snooping |
| 10:35.57 | timeless_mbp | i'd file a bug |
| 10:36.13 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: well, dbus sends no signals when homescreens change |
| 10:36.36 | timeless_mbp | gconf callbacks, whatever ) |
| 10:36.47 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: yes, that is what are buggy |
| 10:37.07 | timeless_mbp | for swipe, it sets the property first? |
| 10:37.20 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: yes, for a regular swipe |
| 10:37.44 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: sorry, quite the opposite |
| 10:37.56 | timeless_mbp | edit-drag, sorry |
| 10:38.01 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: so, for a normal swipe, it first calls the callback |
| 10:38.08 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: in edit-drag, it first sets the property |
| 10:38.18 | timeless_mbp | file a bug |
| 10:38.47 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: I guess there must be a more regular way to ask for the current homescreen number other than gconf |
| 10:39.00 | timeless_mbp | nah, this is maemo :) |
| 10:39.19 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: isn't there some sort of an X property or something like that which lets me do this? |
| 10:40.27 | zash | _NET_WORKAREA ? |
| 10:40.33 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: i don't know offhand |
| 10:40.38 | timeless_mbp | i work on the browser |
| 10:40.39 | zash | no, wait |
| 10:40.44 | zash | that's something else |
| 10:40.55 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: okay, thanks |
| 10:41.12 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: i haven't needed to worry about this quirk |
| 10:41.16 | timeless_mbp | but please file a bug |
| 10:41.35 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: will do, but I don't see any chance of it being resolved anytime soon :P |
| 10:41.46 | zash | _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT |
| 10:42.02 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: do you know someone who knows better? |
| 10:42.13 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: I found this: http://maemo.gitorious.com/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/mb/hd-atoms.c |
| 10:42.43 | alterego | Venemo: so you're having issues now with moving them between home views? |
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| 10:43.03 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: file a bug, once you do, i'll see if i can find someone who can poke it |
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| 10:43.27 | Venemo | alterego: well, I solved it with a hack, but I don't really like hacks... |
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| 10:43.37 | alterego | Hacks are fine, this is maemo! :P |
| 10:43.44 | Venemo | zash: I'm sorry, did you write that one for me? |
| 10:44.06 | Venemo | alterego: hehe! |
| 10:44.24 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: thanks for that |
| 10:44.38 | zash | Venemo: _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT seems to specify offset of the virtual desktop .. on gnome |
| 10:44.49 | zash | Venemo: gnome/compiz |
| 10:45.07 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: however, I think there may be a way to directly ask X |
| 10:45.12 | Venemo | zash: well, I can try |
| 10:45.17 | Venemo | zash: thanks |
| 10:45.37 | zash | Venemo: i tried `xprop -root > $vd_number` and the only diff is that |
| 10:46.08 | Venemo | zash: does this work in Hildon, too? |
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| 10:47.20 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: you can install xprop on maemo |
| 10:47.22 | timeless_mbp | i've done it |
| 10:47.26 | timeless_mbp | it's definitely worth doing |
| 10:47.37 | zash | Venemo: I hope so |
| 10:47.39 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: how can I install that? |
| 10:47.39 | timeless_mbp | no clue if the hint applies to maemo |
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| 10:47.58 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: is it in one of the maemo repos? |
| 10:48.06 | zash | "A Pager can request to change the viewport for the current desktop by sending a _NET_DESKTOP_VIEWPORT client message to the root window" |
| 10:48.14 | timeless_mbp | hopefully in tools |
| 10:48.26 | zash | gets google hits on standards.fdo |
| 10:48.41 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: hm, I haven't used that one, yet |
| 10:48.42 | timeless_mbp | zash: standardsâ¦. we don't believe in those :) |
| 10:48.56 | Venemo | zash: okay, will test it out |
| 10:49.59 | zash | this (should be) why maemo is(?) great, if generetic gnu/linux/x11/etc knowledge applies :) |
| 10:52.31 | Venemo | zash: it seems to be not working :( |
| 10:52.49 | Venemo | or that I'm calling it in a wrong way |
| 10:53.28 | zash | :( |
| 10:53.36 | Venemo | zash: can I PM you? |
| 10:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | could someone please paste the output of md5sum /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 (preferably 1.1.1, but 1.2 maybe also fine) |
| 10:56.44 | Venemo | from here: http://maemo.gitorious.com/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/mb/hd-atoms.c |
| 10:56.58 | Venemo | I would guess that _HILDON_HOME_VIEW would do something like this |
| 10:57.01 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer b8146809534a8c5eded2903e7857c113 (1.2) |
| 10:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 10:57.14 | Venemo | but I haven't found anything for that on google |
| 10:58.03 | zash | Venemo: if you do `xprop -root > a` in a terminal and move around viewports, outputing into diffrent files and then compare them |
| 10:58.19 | Venemo | zash: okay, but how do I get xprop to the N900? |
| 10:58.39 | Venemo | zash: I'm sorry, but I'm quite new to the world of Linux :( |
| 10:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 10:59.09 | zash | Venemo: i would try terminal â apt-cache search xprop |
| 10:59.49 | zash | In Ubuntu (and most likley Debian and -based distros) it's in x11-utils |
| 11:00.40 | Venemo | zash: apt-cache search xprop ->outputs nothing |
| 11:01.48 | zash | then i have no idea |
| 11:06.21 | alterego | I was looking for it the other day, there isn't a maemo package for it and as I don't have scratchbox setup I couldn't compile it myself. |
| 11:06.37 | alterego | Oh, tried compiling it with mad, didn't work and I couldn't be bothered to figure out what was missing :P |
| 11:06.37 | zash | :( |
| 11:07.14 | zash | Venemo: what did you need it for? |
| 11:07.36 | alterego | To check X11 properties on the root window to see if there's a way of knowing which home view you're looking at. |
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| 11:07.42 | alterego | Or is currently active. |
| 11:09.05 | Venemo | zash: as alterego said |
| 11:09.56 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: here you go: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10725 |
| 11:09.57 | povbot | Bug 10725: Hildon calls gconf callbacks late when moving widgets to another desktop |
| 11:10.15 | Venemo | povbot: yes, I filed it in this minute :) |
| 11:10.16 | povbot | Venemo: Error: "yes," is not a valid command. |
| 11:11.21 | zash | Venemo: I think it saw your url :) |
| 11:11.36 | Venemo | zash: what is povbot? |
| 11:11.41 | Myrtti | a bot. |
| 11:11.54 | Venemo | Myrtti: obvously, but what does it do? |
| 11:11.56 | zash | povbot |
| 11:11.56 | alterego | starts working on his update UI |
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| 11:12.07 | alterego | This time I'm gonna do it in C++, python+PySide is too slow for my liking :( |
| 11:12.37 | crashanddie | Venemo: gives links and descriptions to bugs on bmo |
| 11:12.41 | crashanddie | Venemo: bug #123 |
| 11:12.42 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123 Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar |
| 11:12.46 | crashanddie | bug #862 |
| 11:12.47 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=862 Not all of HildonAppView is marked as deprecated |
| 11:12.52 | crashanddie | bug #9999 |
| 11:12.53 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9999 Tap & Hold menu disappears before an item can be selected |
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| 11:13.18 | crashanddie | attachment #123 |
| 11:13.18 | Venemo | lol... :D |
| 11:13.20 | povbot | Attachment https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=123&action=edit patch, hildon-fm_enums_types.patch, hildon-fm_enums_types.patch |
| 11:13.30 | Venemo | awesome |
| 11:13.40 | Kegetys | bug #-1 |
| 11:13.40 | crashanddie | ~burn Venemo |
| 11:13.41 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over Venemo, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 11:13.44 | Kegetys | :( |
| 11:14.03 | zash | ~lart infobot |
| 11:14.03 | infobot | holds zash to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 11:14.09 | zash | meh |
| 11:16.20 | Venemo | LOOL |
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| 11:28.27 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, ping |
| 11:28.28 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 11:31.27 | alterego | Funny how adding one feature can radically fuck up your UI design :( |
| 11:31.38 | alterego | I think I'm going to have to rethink it quite substantially. |
| 11:31.53 | ham5 | never did get that to work |
| 11:33.12 | ham5 | I had a different argument line I tried putting that back, with just the method changed. Nothing happened when I clicked on the phone button |
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| 11:37.55 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, ping |
| 11:37.56 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:41.24 | Venemo | alterego: what sort of app are you working on? |
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| 11:41.39 | alterego | Updating my "Media IM Status Updater" app. |
| 11:41.44 | Venemo | oh. |
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| 11:41.53 | Venemo | and what is this shiny new feature? :) |
| 11:42.05 | alterego | Want to make it feature complete before I move onto my next project, so I said I'd add support for internet radio and movies |
| 11:42.29 | Venemo | nice |
| 11:42.35 | Venemo | and what is the next project? :) |
| 11:42.47 | alterego | I don't know :) |
| 11:43.02 | Venemo | ah, I have plenty of ideas :P |
| 11:43.02 | alterego | I'm going to start helping with the application downloader I think |
| 11:43.11 | Venemo | application donwloader? |
| 11:43.29 | Venemo | what's that? |
| 11:43.31 | alterego | Yeah, it's an alternative to HAM, hopefully adding things like voting for testers etc. |
| 11:43.41 | Venemo | oh. |
| 11:43.46 | Venemo | why not update HAM itself? |
| 11:43.55 | Venemo | isn't it open source? |
| 11:43.57 | alterego | So it'll be a more complete application downloader, with screenshots for applications and things like that. |
| 11:44.07 | alterego | HAM is, but there are things it relies on that apparently are not. |
| 11:44.17 | alterego | I'm sure the was good reason to start from scratch :) |
| 11:44.22 | Venemo | then what? |
| 11:44.30 | Venemo | I would prefer to update that, anyway |
| 11:44.42 | Venemo | that would benefit everyone |
| 11:45.02 | alterego | I don't see why this wouldn't benifit everyone? :P |
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| 11:47.54 | Venemo | well, I don't like having multiple apps for the same purpose |
| 11:48.06 | Venemo | hm |
| 11:48.18 | alterego | Think of it as a better replacement as we're not going to have anything better for m5 |
| 11:48.50 | Venemo | well, that one is true, however it would still be nice if they would accept contributions to HAM |
| 11:48.56 | Venemo | nah, another question |
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| 11:49.37 | alterego | We have to maintain m5 ourselves, we can't really rely on Nokia making it what it should be. |
| 11:49.53 | Venemo | how do I create a small contact list plug-in? |
| 11:49.58 | alterego | Not unless MeeGo, with the reference UX is something extremely special on its' own. |
| 11:50.22 | Venemo | I would like to add a field to the contacts |
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| 11:52.39 | Venemo | is that possible with QtMobility? |
| 11:53.32 | Venemo | brb |
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| 12:08.06 | MohammadAG51 | <Venemo> well, that one is true, however it would still be nice if they would accept contributions to HAM |
| 12:08.20 | MohammadAG51 | someone said the icons were a patch by Jebba (I think) |
| 12:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | err was it jebba |
| 12:10.11 | crashanddie | lol... A keylogger in maemo devel? |
| 12:11.17 | MohammadAG51 | I usually get confused by Jebba and Jaffa, so excuse me if I got that wrong :P |
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| 12:13.22 | Venemo | MohammadAG51: agreed |
| 12:14.29 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, name? |
| 12:14.51 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: nha, just some plonker spread FUD on tmo |
| 12:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I played a lttle with MYDOCSDIR, it seems completely braindamaged and broken. if you extend it MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM then icon and name change in HFM, but you are _still_same_directory_ :-/ . When you make it shorter MYDOCSDIR=/home/user then the N900 entry vanishes completely. I patched the lib to s/files:/file:/ and this got me d-bus error and rather weird breakdown of every running app on system, even after restoring |
| 12:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | original libhildonfm2. Needed 2 reboots to fix. Strace shows absolutely nothing except the getenv is different :-S |
| 12:16.46 | MohammadAG51 | o.O |
| 12:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | what's the use of an env that only breaks things when set to a non-default value?? |
| 12:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~libhildonfm2 |
| 12:19.03 | infobot | i guess libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t |
| 12:19.33 | Venemo | so, again, is there an example of how to add a new field to the contacts app? |
| 12:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | err, click 'add field' button? |
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| 12:20.15 | alterego | Venemo: think you might need to look at evolution a bit. |
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| 12:20.22 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: lol... no comment... |
| 12:20.51 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'd like to create an app that adds a new filed that users can add to their contacts... |
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| 12:21.04 | Venemo | a new field* |
| 12:21.16 | Venemo | alterego: evolution? |
| 12:21.30 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56674 <- wtf |
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| 12:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: so you want a new field in the list of new fields? |
| 12:22.04 | My_PeSePe | I want to make a repository for applications |
| 12:22.10 | alterego | Venemo: evolution is the backend for calendar andcontacts |
| 12:22.30 | My_PeSePe | possible ? |
| 12:22.44 | Venemo | My_PeSePe: yes, it is |
| 12:22.47 | alterego | My_PeSePe: yes, though what's wrong with extras? |
| 12:22.55 | Venemo | alterego: okay, is there an example that you can show me? |
| 12:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I bet that won't work. As most probably the fields are hardcoded at least in the contacts GUI |
| 12:23.04 | alterego | Venemo: not really no :P |
| 12:23.07 | My_PeSePe | is for my page |
| 12:23.32 | MohammadAG | tbh I really hate having a shitload of repos on an embedded device |
| 12:23.52 | MohammadAG | and a personal repo is sometimes more dangerous than devel |
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| 12:24.02 | My_PeSePe | is possible Venemo |
| 12:24.05 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: okay, then how does every IM plugin add their own field? |
| 12:24.21 | alterego | Venemo: those fields are defined in evolution already. |
| 12:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, they do? ok then obviously I don't know how they do, as I'd have told you if I had... |
| 12:24.50 | MohammadAG | Venemo, check the telepathy api and the plugin sources |
| 12:25.04 | Venemo | alterego: so, both "MSN", "MSN (Haze)", "MSN (Pecan)" are pre-defined along with every other possible sevice name? |
| 12:25.06 | alterego | Telepathy has nothing to do with evolution |
| 12:25.11 | Venemo | alterego: I don't buy that |
| 12:25.19 | MohammadAG | Evolution is for Mail afaik |
| 12:25.22 | alterego | Venemo: no, just msn_1, msn_2, msn_3 ... msn_7 |
| 12:25.24 | MohammadAG | Telepathy is for IM |
| 12:25.47 | Venemo | alterego: could you elaborate more? |
| 12:25.52 | My_PeSePe | is possible make a repository for my page ? |
| 12:26.06 | MohammadAG | facepalms |
| 12:26.07 | alterego | Telelpathy has no interaction what-so-ever with evolution, the Conversations application bridges data from Telepathy and Evolution to show you meaningful contact names etc. |
| 12:26.32 | alterego | So, ignore telepathy :) |
| 12:26.33 | MohammadAG | alterego, so the Contacts app is evolution? |
| 12:26.47 | MohammadAG | (or based on it) |
| 12:26.50 | My_PeSePe | i have a one page and I would like to make a repository |
| 12:26.54 | alterego | MohammadAG: it uses evolution to get contact information for telepathy sessions |
| 12:26.58 | alterego | so-to-speak :) |
| 12:27.19 | alterego | evolution is just a database, telepathy is used for IM, SMS and phone calls. |
| 12:27.21 | MohammadAG | My_PeSePe, you got two answers, do I need to quote them and give you a 3rd one? |
| 12:27.23 | Venemo | My_PeSePe: you can do that the same way you would create a debian repository... I can't tell you more as I don't know more about the subject |
| 12:27.29 | alterego | The Conversations application uses both, obviously :) |
| 12:27.53 | alterego | My_PeSePe: we don't recommend it, use extras |
| 12:28.02 | MohammadAG | changed the source of http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmrdsnotify/ and updated it, if anyone gives a crap :) |
| 12:28.49 | alterego | :) |
| 12:28.59 | My_PeSePe | this is my page www.phonesfera.com y a like a make repository in www.repositorios.phonesfera.com |
| 12:29.12 | MohammadAG | We got you the first time |
| 12:29.18 | MohammadAG | and the second time |
| 12:29.26 | alterego | My_PeSePe: we know what you want to do, we just don't think it's a good idea. |
| 12:29.29 | Venemo | alterego: you didn't answer my last question |
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| 12:29.53 | alterego | Venemo: you want me to elaborate? |
| 12:29.59 | alterego | On what exactlyD? :) |
| 12:30.03 | My_PeSePe | ok thanks |
| 12:30.26 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, "Here's something. if you find a keylogger in any app in the repo, I'll give you $50" <-- I'm tempted to upload one to -devel, |
| 12:30.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:30.44 | Venemo | alterego: so, the name of every possible IM service is hard-coded? |
| 12:30.45 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: the date is fixing, obviously |
| 12:30.50 | Venemo | alterego: or what? |
| 12:31.00 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, you didn't specify one, ha! |
| 12:31.14 | alterego | Venemo: no, not every one. I'm attempting to find out, now, if it's posible to add "free-form" fields to a contact, just bare with me. |
| 12:31.19 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I'm the one paying out, I can specify whatever i want |
| 12:31.31 | alterego | Venemo: I was just describing how IM/Telepathy & Evolution works, |
| 12:31.40 | Venemo | alterego: okay |
| 12:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | installs a keylogger to crashanddie's N900 |
| 12:32.33 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: goodluckwiththat |
| 12:32.43 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, he doesn't need it |
| 12:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | we get you all :-) |
| 12:33.08 | Venemo | ~burn DocScrutinizer |
| 12:33.08 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over DocScrutinizer, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 12:33.12 | Termana | I have a camera set up viewing him. Who needs a keylogger? |
| 12:33.22 | Venemo | Termana: lol |
| 12:33.28 | crashanddie | Termana: am i lying down or sitting? |
| 12:33.46 | MohammadAG | neither, you're levitating |
| 12:33.59 | Termana | You have something covering the camera at the moment |
| 12:34.03 | Termana | :D |
| 12:34.09 | alterego | Venemo: here's a little insight: http://library.gnome.org/devel/libebook/stable/EContact.html#EContact.properties |
| 12:34.09 | crashanddie | Termana: did I shave this morning or yesterday? |
| 12:34.19 | MohammadAG | the day before |
| 12:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: don't disclose why frontcam is so crappy. We'll fix that issue with the concurrent access soonish :-P |
| 12:34.47 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: actually, I haven't shaven in over a month |
| 12:34.52 | Termana | :P |
| 12:35.14 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I didn't specify the month :D |
| 12:35.24 | Venemo | alterego: so, if I would invent my own IM service tomorrow, it would be impossible for me to write a plugin for it, unless hard-coded in this stuff? |
| 12:35.39 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: your response wasn't generic enough, you're wrong either way |
| 12:35.53 | alterego | Venemo: I think so, I don't know off-hand |
| 12:35.53 | MohammadAG | ~lart crashanddie |
| 12:35.53 | infobot | beats crashanddie over the head with a microkernel |
| 12:36.07 | MohammadAG | ~seen noobmonk3y |
| 12:36.12 | infobot | noobmonk3y <~c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 34m 15s ago, saying: 'its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally'. |
| 12:36.12 | crashanddie | Venemo: actually, if you were to invent your own IM service, you'd be broke before you could actually write the client for the N900. |
| 12:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, that hurts |
| 12:36.12 | crashanddie | ~rape MohammadAG |
| 12:36.13 | infobot | ACTION takes MohammadAG behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 12:37.19 | crashanddie | Yay! infobot is raping for me again! |
| 12:37.32 | alterego | Venemo: I think it's based on the vcard format or something, not sure. |
| 12:37.36 | MohammadAG | I still don't get how someone can be raped by a female... |
| 12:37.48 | Venemo | crashdaddie: I'm investigating a way to add an own field to the contacts UI |
| 12:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: sure, I fixed it for you |
| 12:37.58 | Termana | MohammadAG: SEXIST! |
| 12:38.03 | Termana | :D |
| 12:38.12 | MohammadAG | Me? NEVAR! |
| 12:38.37 | MohammadAG | I'm only racist towards australians who moved to france |
| 12:38.40 | alterego | Venemo: there's also a function 'e_book_get_supported_fields' that is probably applicable too .. |
| 12:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wait till you meet London dykes |
| 12:39.04 | Venemo | alterego: so, this is basically impossible? |
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| 12:39.22 | *** kick/#maemo [MohammadAG!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (enough racism, you filthy middle-worlder) |
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| 12:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 12:39.46 | MohammadAG | suggests that crashanddie gets suspended |
| 12:39.49 | MohammadAG | for racism |
| 12:39.59 | alterego | Venemo: seems that way yes :/ |
| 12:40.07 | crashanddie | me, racist? |
| 12:40.17 | MohammadAG | Always been |
| 12:40.26 | crashanddie | I'm probably more informed about race than most |
| 12:40.52 | Venemo | alterego: and what about the Qt Mobility API? It seems that is has some fields that are not on the list you linked |
| 12:40.55 | MohammadAG | yeah, you saw the moon whistling too |
| 12:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah all those races, in d-bus and kernel and who knows where else |
| 12:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | and he hates aliens, evidently |
| 12:41.50 | MohammadAG | he denies the existence of UFOs |
| 12:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | tztztzzzz |
| 12:42.12 | Venemo | alterego: that is unfortunate... :( |
| 12:42.34 | alterego | Venemo: no idea, not looked at the QtMobility API for contacts |
| 12:42.35 | MohammadAG | Is it me, or is the importer down again |
| 12:42.54 | alterego | Venemo: ask #qt? maybe #qt-mobility if it exists? :) |
| 12:42.58 | Termana | crashanddie: When something is in flight and you don't know what it is, what do you call it? |
| 12:43.09 | Termana | Sounds like an Unidentified Flying Object to me |
| 12:43.09 | alterego | Termana: super man |
| 12:43.22 | SpeedEvil | Termana: Right. |
| 12:43.47 | SpeedEvil | Termana: But the question 'Do you believe in UFOs' Does not mean what it literally says in the mind of most questioners. |
| 12:43.50 | Venemo | alterego: there are 2 people on #qt-mobility :P |
| 12:43.56 | alterego | Hah |
| 12:44.03 | crashanddie | Termana: please don't attack me based on what the village idiots in this channel said |
| 12:44.06 | alterego | Venemo: chanserv and you? |
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| 12:45.19 | Venemo | alterego, no 2 people who don't respont and me :P |
| 12:45.25 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, see? you're being racist |
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| 12:45.42 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: "village idiot" has no bearing on race |
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| 12:46.15 | crashanddie | Termana: I do understand the definition of UFO, and yes, by definition, if you can not identify a flying object, it is a UFO. But so is a Boeing 737 or Airbus a-380 when seen through clouds at a gazillion miles with a reflection lens. However, claiming that any and all UFO you might see are proof there is alien life is a complete and utter travesty of intelligence |
| 12:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | what a saddening list of var defs. that's really unfortunate - I always preferred a struct field.type, .name, .value, .sortpos |
| 12:47.02 | MohammadAG | hates C++/Qt |
| 12:47.15 | Venemo | MohammadAG: why is that? |
| 12:47.24 | lcuk | ponders open/accessible/hackable/distributable source license |
| 12:47.29 | MohammadAG | Looks hard to read for the average newbie :P |
| 12:47.50 | lcuk | ive had enough of all this extra crap and restrictions on openness |
| 12:48.03 | lcuk | oh, hello everyone \o |
| 12:48.11 | crashanddie | hiya lcuk |
| 12:48.17 | crashanddie | how's your sunday going? |
| 12:48.28 | lcuk | great - just been fixing jakes bike |
| 12:48.38 | Venemo | MohammadAG: well, C++ is not for the faint of heart |
| 12:48.39 | crashanddie | what was wrong with it? |
| 12:48.46 | crashanddie | Venemo: pardon me? |
| 12:48.55 | lcuk | and came back to see lots of mails and posts and things about open restrictions |
| 12:49.00 | crashanddie | Venemo: C++ is piss easy, ASM, now there's something that you can't smear to any dimwit |
| 12:49.08 | lcuk | crashanddie, stabiliser adjustment |
| 12:49.32 | lcuk | asm is easy too if you can break down problems into small enough chunks |
| 12:49.34 | Venemo | crashanddie: it is easy indeed, but not for beginners |
| 12:50.05 | lcuk | MohammadAG, hate is a strong word |
| 12:50.09 | crashanddie | lcuk: writing code, loving father and husband, maemo inspirer, bike repairman, is there anything you can't do, oh lcuk, hallowed be thy name. |
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| 12:50.41 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:51.12 | lcuk | Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering, I sense much fear in you MohammadAG |
| 12:51.47 | alterego | lcuk: stop looking at him when he's in the shower then :P |
| 12:51.50 | lcuk | oh jeez - now he fell off bike |
| 12:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | I like ASM better |
| 12:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | much better |
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| 12:52.20 | lcuk | :( now hes screaming at top of voice :( |
| 12:52.38 | lcuk | is supping brew waiting for him to chillax |
| 12:53.24 | lcuk | crashanddie, how is sms searchr coming? |
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| 12:54.05 | crs | Hi, how can I get contacts from Otlook to n900? |
| 12:54.39 | crashanddie | lcuk: backburner |
| 12:54.50 | crashanddie | lcuk: haven't had the time to mess with Qt, started a new idea |
| 12:56.21 | Jaffa | Af'noon |
| 12:56.28 | lcuk | yo Jaffa \o |
| 12:56.36 | pupnik | does n900 have iotop? |
| 12:56.50 | lcuk | jaffa, you are a motherf*cker aren't you? ie happy fathers day! :D |
| 12:57.03 | RST38h | pupnik: there is a package with it |
| 12:57.16 | lcuk | same to all others too :D |
| 12:57.42 | crashanddie | heh, happy fater's day to all |
| 12:58.29 | lcuk | i have an uber cool personalised cup with full instructions on making my perfect brew |
| 12:58.33 | ptl | just argued with two jehova's witnesses that went to his door |
| 12:58.45 | pupnik | a good day to think about the responsibilities of fatherhood |
| 12:58.55 | alterego | ptl: were they telling you to buy an iPhone? |
| 12:59.12 | lcuk | pupnik, usually its best to consider those BEFORE you become a father |
| 12:59.19 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:59.48 | lcuk | crashanddie, whats the new project o_O |
| 13:00.01 | ptl | alterego: you can say they were doing the bronze age people equivalent of that |
| 13:00.12 | crashanddie | lcuk: http://www.segfault.free.fr/board2.html |
| 13:00.20 | lcuk | nods |
| 13:00.33 | lcuk | are you discussing this with the miniature developers ? |
| 13:00.44 | lcuk | to ensure compatability and avoiding duplication of effort |
| 13:01.41 | ptl | pupnik: besides iotop, I found nethogs to be very useful on my N900 too |
| 13:01.48 | Venemo | guys, I'm leaving now |
| 13:01.53 | Venemo | have a good day |
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| 13:03.16 | Jaffa | lcuk: heh, thanks :) |
| 13:03.44 | lcuk | crashanddie, your chessboard does not think en passant moves are legal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_passant |
| 13:04.00 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:04.01 | lcuk | (noted after dneary and co spotted it after someone thought it was a bug) |
| 13:04.46 | alterego | 190 downloads in under a day, that's not bad :) |
| 13:05.00 | alterego | I wonder how many of them uninstalled it straight away :) |
| 13:06.10 | ZogG | hey |
| 13:06.27 | lcuk | alterego, so what is your app |
| 13:07.39 | crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, nor the rockade, and other moves |
| 13:07.39 | crashanddie | lcuk: haven't added them all yet |
| 13:07.40 | crashanddie | lcuk: also doesn't allow pawn promotion |
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| 13:07.53 | lcuk | pawns need promoting - someo f them work hard acting as cannon fodder |
| 13:08.04 | crashanddie | lcuk: but I just hacked it in an afternoon, so I'm not too depressed |
| 13:08.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG, it's so hot here, how is it in Jer? |
| 13:08.11 | lcuk | sure, it works well |
| 13:08.21 | lcuk | ZogG, where are you |
| 13:08.21 | ZogG | pawns? |
| 13:08.25 | ZogG | lcuk, TLV |
| 13:08.34 | ZogG | Tel-Aviv |
| 13:08.36 | lcuk | nods |
| 13:08.39 | crashanddie | ZogG: it's pretty hot, he's dodgy rockets and all |
| 13:08.47 | crashanddie | ZogG: and stones, they're throwing stones again |
| 13:08.47 | ZogG | =) |
| 13:09.03 | ZogG | crashanddie, it's all made 'cause of love |
| 13:09.15 | lcuk | this is a computer chan, leave anything else at the door |
| 13:09.28 | crashanddie | I mean, the muslim people are seriously the most optimistic people I have ever seen. http://www.dontrithai.org/palestine_/images/GazaBoyTank.jpg |
| 13:09.47 | crashanddie | "If I aim right, I'll block his canon!" |
| 13:09.48 | Corsac | looks familiar |
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| 13:10.47 | lcuk | goes doin other stuff bbl o |
| 13:10.57 | ZogG | lcuk bye |
| 13:12.52 | alterego | lcuk: it updates your IM status to the song you're currently listening to on your N900 |
| 13:12.56 | alterego | Pretty crap really. |
| 13:13.14 | alterego | I have my usual lack of anything meaningful to write |
| 13:13.29 | lcuk | alterego, pretty cool actually for those that listen to music :) |
| 13:13.30 | ZogG | alterego someone can find it usefull |
| 13:13.58 | alterego | :) |
| 13:14.12 | ZogG | alterego, i have a lot of ideas =) |
| 13:14.24 | alterego | ZogG: well, I'm always open to ideas :) |
| 13:14.50 | ZogG | alterego, let's start with yetanothermusic widget |
| 13:15.11 | ZogG | better if it supports xmms2 ported by russkie =) |
| 13:15.14 | alterego | Heh, I keep thinking about writing my own media player, or maybe a playlist editor to make it easier for people. |
| 13:15.33 | ZogG | alterego, you should make the xmms2 gui |
| 13:15.36 | ZogG | for maemo |
| 13:15.47 | alterego | Meh |
| 13:15.47 | ZogG | i can give some ideas about UI =) |
| 13:15.55 | lcuk | alterego, folder based media player - which talks to MAFW ;) |
| 13:16.10 | lcuk | lots of folks request that rather than just browsing via metadata |
| 13:16.40 | ZogG | swype analog for ukeyboard =) |
| 13:17.03 | alterego | I did a bit of research, popular iphone and android apps. Can't see anything particularly useful or interesting there tbh |
| 13:17.33 | lcuk | alterego, can you add a vuvsela button to your app :D |
| 13:17.45 | alterego | lcuk: what would that do? |
| 13:17.55 | lcuk | "i'm playing BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" to all your IM contacts |
| 13:18.04 | zash | srsly, what the fsck is up with people talking about vuvuzelas fcsken everywhere? |
| 13:18.07 | Vanadis | BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 13:18.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:20.34 | Ikarus | zash: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=R8JGhoVybkM&feature=irc ? |
| 13:20.38 | SpeedEvil | would love to blow his own horn. |
| 13:20.59 | SpeedEvil | gets out a book entitled '101 tips to spinal flexibility'. |
| 13:21.48 | zash | ... |
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| 13:23.21 | lardman | re |
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| 13:25.46 | lcuk | hey lardman |
| 13:25.58 | lcuk | waits for restore to finish |
| 13:26.16 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 13:28.24 | merlin1991 | anyone in here who got lucky using the map loader for the n900? I first tryed it on my win7 notebook, it complained in pc-suite mode (like it should) but it also complained in mass stroage mode :/, then I tryed it on a xp machine, there the maploader didn't even load :P so I went to another xp machine and finally got it running and connecting to the phone just to get a notice that it can't connect to the maps server WTF? |
| 13:30.01 | alterego | I do it manually |
| 13:30.05 | Corsac | not sure the map loader works with n900 anyway |
| 13:31.13 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know what he phones for the n900 are called? |
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| 13:31.19 | merlin1991 | I'm doing it manually atm too |
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| 13:32.12 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: eh? |
| 13:32.29 | SpeedEvil | the headphones |
| 13:32.32 | SpeedEvil | the model number |
| 13:32.34 | Trewas | merlin1991: I got the map loader to work eventually, some file had to be renamed in the phone |
| 13:32.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why did you flip the instructions to flash the eMMC in the wiki? |
| 13:34.00 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, maybe ev666il |
| 13:34.08 | Trewas | but I have to say that the GPS in n900 is so unbelieveably crappy that without constant internet connection it is completely useless anyway... |
| 13:34.21 | ZogG | Trewas, true |
| 13:34.21 | lardman | curses cambelts |
| 13:34.34 | ZogG | i wonder if it's HW issue or SW |
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| 13:34.51 | lcuk | lardman, this year its cambelts - when will it be nappies etc :p |
| 13:34.52 | Ikarus | merlin1991: I just downloaded the map .zip and extracted it on the right spot |
| 13:35.05 | ham5 | dosent it have kind of a weak wifi receiver too ? |
| 13:35.06 | lcuk | fixed jakes bike earlier |
| 13:35.35 | SpeedEvil | ham5: IME - no |
| 13:35.56 | SpeedEvil | ham5: I can get reception 30m away through 2 stone walls totalling 1.3m. That's fine for me. |
| 13:36.30 | lardman | lcuk: soonish I think |
| 13:36.39 | lcuk | o_O :D |
| 13:36.45 | Ikarus | it's far superior to most wifi devices I normally use |
| 13:36.53 | Ikarus | N900 makes a great wifi signal mapping tool due to that |
| 13:37.00 | lardman | but Holly's car's cambelt looks like it's jumped some teeth, so bit worried about whether I need to pay for a new engine |
| 13:37.05 | Ikarus | esp if the GPS decides to work (sadly no use in door) |
| 13:37.09 | lcuk | will get baby gifts ready: "my first cambelt change" "picture book of car maint" |
| 13:37.16 | lardman | lcuk: just in the thinking about it stage mind you! |
| 13:37.43 | lardman | so no rush |
| 13:37.46 | lcuk | enjoy the practice dude! |
| 13:37.57 | lardman | also trying to buy a house, so life's pretty hectic atm |
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| 13:40.06 | lcuk | yeah lardman are you looking near current place or far away |
| 13:40.49 | lardman | near here, just upsizing |
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| 13:41.07 | lcuk | :D |
| 13:41.18 | lardman | mainly to house her shoes ;) |
| 13:41.33 | lardman | (and my books) |
| 13:41.41 | lcuk | lol tracy needs similar |
| 13:41.47 | lcuk | retweets something |
| 13:42.03 | lardman | I suggested a shipping container in the carpark, Holly wasn't too pleased! :D |
| 13:42.16 | lcuk | RT: @lcuk tracys top idea to stop personalised advertisements from showing same thing (1) buy the shoes (2) search for other stuff *facepalm* |
| 13:42.16 | merlin1991 | hm, lol I can't open maps anymore :P |
| 13:42.20 | ZogG | lcuk can you tweet that you retweet the tweet |
| 13:42.30 | merlin1991 | it just closes after a few seconds of running |
| 13:42.42 | lcuk | sure ZogG |
| 13:44.16 | lardman | anyone know what generates the dbus shutter state signal? |
| 13:44.20 | lardman | and how laggy it is? |
| 13:44.48 | lcuk | dunno, are you after watching when people take real pictures? |
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| 13:45.27 | lardman | nah, I'm planning to make mbarcode behave like the real camera - use the shutter button to focus & try to decode from there |
| 13:45.32 | ZogG | lcuk i don't think you want to follow me, as i almost don't tweet in english =))) |
| 13:45.50 | lcuk | well ill unfollow you when i notice :P |
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| 13:45.57 | lardman | almost don't or almost never? ;) |
| 13:46.04 | ZogG | but it feels good when someone from about 1000 followers is actually a human beeing and not a bot =))) |
| 13:46.10 | frals | heh, the machines showing ads on helsinki subway are running linux |
| 13:46.21 | frals | caught one who choked at grub menu |
| 13:46.22 | lcuk | ZogG, plenty of my english friends dont tweet or irc in english so it doesnt much matter ;) |
| 13:46.24 | ZogG | frals linux is everywhere |
| 13:46.28 | lardman | frals: seen an oops? |
| 13:46.35 | lardman | ah ok |
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| 13:46.53 | lcuk | lardman, cool idea - but at the moment doesnt the camera app open if you press the shutter button |
| 13:46.57 | ZogG | frals i bet it's meego :D |
| 13:47.00 | lardman | Conti in-flight ents run Linux, and tend to oops (or at least used to) |
| 13:47.09 | MohammadAG | lcuk, yeah it does |
| 13:47.19 | MohammadAG | even if the shutter is closed |
| 13:47.20 | lcuk | MohammadAG, hey lurker |
| 13:47.20 | lardman | lcuk: if you open the shutter yeah, need to be able to select which app to open there |
| 13:47.28 | MohammadAG | you could shut down camera-ui though... |
| 13:47.29 | Alcohol176461 | ïðèâåò ïèäîðàñû |
| 13:47.30 | lardman | MohammadAG: oh really? |
| 13:47.31 | MohammadAG | (I guess) |
| 13:47.35 | lardman | hmm |
| 13:47.52 | AHDPIOXA | Alcohol176461 +1 |
| 13:48.05 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# ps x | grep camera-ui |
| 13:48.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG you want me tio write in hebrew or what? |
| 13:48.07 | lardman | perhaps my masterplan is defeated by the non-configurability then |
| 13:48.08 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.08 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.08 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.22 | MohammadAG | ZogG, lol no, just reply |
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| 13:48.35 | MohammadAG | Spammer in the chan? |
| 13:48.36 | lcuk | it can be changed but its none trivial and will change behaviour of default thingies |
| 13:48.36 | Alcohol176461 | How are you doing today all |
| 13:49.12 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, requires users to do something other than just install mbarcode, so perhaps leave it for the future |
| 13:49.15 | lardman | shame |
| 13:49.25 | lardman | ah well, back to my database plugin then :) |
| 13:49.43 | lcuk | lardman, if they have the camera window open why cant it just be scanning then? |
| 13:49.47 | lcuk | or is it heavy on cpu |
| 13:50.00 | lardman | you mean scan all the time with mbarcode running? |
| 13:50.13 | lcuk | i keep laying down a set of different barcodes and trying to sweep over all of them |
| 13:50.13 | frals | heh, both my devices got their charging indicators pulsing in sync |
| 13:50.24 | lcuk | like shopping, they dont press things |
| 13:50.24 | Alcohol176461 | âû ÷å îõóåëå íàðîä íó îòâåòüòå |
| 13:50.27 | lardman | Is CPU heavy and also I can't hook into the autofocus internals, so I have to explicitly call it to autofocus without knowing if it's already in focus |
| 13:50.30 | lcuk | they just move barcode in range |
| 13:50.31 | lcuk | BEEP |
| 13:50.33 | MohammadAG | killing it with -9 restarts the app |
| 13:50.38 | MohammadAG | Alcohol176461, wth... |
| 13:50.44 | lcuk | lardman, i was playing with autofocus :) |
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| 13:51.02 | lcuk | ie doing it self - since its just a couple of combination things |
| 13:51.06 | Alcohol176461 | fdsdfdsf |
| 13:51.09 | lardman | what I really need is an out-of-focus metric so I can decide when to focus |
| 13:51.09 | felipec | anyone has experience writing home widgets? |
| 13:51.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping |
| 13:51.20 | Alcohol176461 | I'm like porno |
| 13:51.24 | lcuk | Alcohol176461, im doing great but would be better if you wold stop fucking around |
| 13:51.27 | lardman | lcuk: which technique? Contrast based I guess? |
| 13:51.28 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, ping |
| 13:51.39 | crashanddie | pong |
| 13:51.40 | lcuk | lardman, the edge detection thing we spoke about |
| 13:51.43 | lardman | hey crashanddie |
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| 13:51.47 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, spammer at 12 |
| 13:51.49 | lcuk | count number of edges at specific focus |
| 13:51.52 | lcuk | change focus |
| 13:51.54 | lcuk | count again |
| 13:51.56 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 13:51.57 | lardman | lcuk: ah ok, how cpu intensive is that to run? |
| 13:52.02 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*Alcohol_1@213.129.62.*] by crashanddie |
| 13:52.02 | *** kick/#maemo [Alcohol176461!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (Alcohol176461) |
| 13:52.03 | lcuk | newtons method |
| 13:52.05 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 13:52.14 | lcuk | lardman, technically for the 3 pixel thing its light |
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| 13:52.48 | lcuk | since it just takes 3 adjacent pixels and works out if its a hill or a valley |
| 13:52.58 | lcuk | runs over the 384k pixels quickly |
| 13:53.03 | lardman | ok |
| 13:53.21 | lcuk | count number of peaks etc - should work without using the system AF ? |
| 13:53.42 | ZogG | crashanddie why are you so angry today? |
| 13:53.48 | lcuk | im only working with lower resolution data tho - you use much higher to begin with dont you |
| 13:53.52 | lardman | but you still need to alter the focus and see where you get the best metric |
| 13:53.53 | crashanddie | angry? |
| 13:54.02 | lcuk | yeah lardman |
| 13:54.08 | ZogG | MohammadAG done |
| 13:54.40 | crashanddie | ZogG: I kicked the spammer/troll, not MohammadAG |
| 13:54.44 | lardman | the problem I get is in macro with low-ish light, it takes a long while to run the autofocus anyway, and then there are not enough frames to do the detection before it starts again |
| 13:54.52 | satmd | lol |
| 13:54.55 | lardman | I may have to alter the timeout, or make it adaptive in some way |
| 13:55.01 | ZogG | crashanddie that's the point |
| 13:55.03 | lcuk | low light is a bitch |
| 13:55.20 | crashanddie | ZogG: please state your point clearly, I'm not following you |
| 13:55.38 | lcuk | certainly for the 1d barcodes its quite feasible - the problem is that once the AF light goes on it over saturates |
| 13:55.43 | lcuk | the barcode is really close |
| 13:55.48 | lcuk | and gets blinded |
| 13:56.15 | lcuk | lardman, how far away on average do you expect to hold barcode |
| 13:56.20 | lardman | yeah, and then takes a while for that to die down |
| 13:56.22 | ZogG | crashanddie you should leave Alcohol1234 and kick MohammadAG |
| 13:56.26 | lcuk | and could you not just set to macro focus and accept? |
| 13:56.26 | ZogG | it's obv |
| 13:56.32 | lardman | lcuk: dunno, perhaps 6" |
| 13:56.39 | crashanddie | ZogG: I respectfully disagree |
| 13:56.47 | lardman | but if it's small, or dark, you hold closer naturally |
| 13:56.52 | lcuk | i added focus slider - but i couldnt get contrast to work |
| 13:56.53 | MohammadAG | ZogG, don't make me come over to TLV |
| 13:56.56 | ZogG | crashanddie you are acting like Nokia right now =))) |
| 13:57.15 | ZogG | MohammadAG, meh, you don't drink beer anyway and you can't pass the boards =)) |
| 13:57.22 | ZogG | mwahahaha |
| 13:57.29 | lcuk | i found on some shiny plastic things i couldnt get the white end zone thing to detect |
| 13:57.35 | crashanddie | ZogG: please don't insult me, thanks |
| 13:57.40 | lcuk | like in shops when people say certain things just dont scan |
| 13:57.42 | ZogG | crashanddie =( |
| 13:57.49 | lardman | lcuk: depends how many points it uses/regions to do the autofocus |
| 13:57.54 | ScriptFanix | Hi |
| 13:58.02 | lardman | shame we can't alter that more easily really |
| 13:58.25 | lcuk | well thats why i am thinking to do it using AF from afar |
| 13:58.31 | ScriptFanix | I came here a few weeks ago about performance issues with MPD on my N800 |
| 13:59.08 | ScriptFanix | I noticed jffs2 was using up to 50% CPU, and realised MPD was flooding its error.log :( |
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| 13:59.42 | ScriptFanix | I resolved the issue by specifying /dev/null as error_log, now everything's fine |
| 13:59.51 | lcuk | ScriptFanix, cool |
| 13:59.56 | ZogG | crashanddie, so i was on gentoo chan, and i was off for a week to army so i set away =) when i get backm someone told me to turn it off, i asked what and why, he said autoaway msg and because he told so, as it was pivate i told him to f himself and istead to play cool op to check away time to understand it's not auto, he banned me. my point â i'm happy you are op here =) |
| 14:00.07 | ScriptFanix | still wondering why the ALSA subsystem was generating so many errors though |
| 14:00.11 | lardman | lcuk: from afar, the contrast is reduced anyway, so in some ways it doesn't matter, but you still need to be able to resolve the individual blocks in e.g. a QR code |
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| 14:00.45 | lcuk | lardman, doing the 1d barcode, i do resolving 1:0 by checking contrast within the group itself |
| 14:00.47 | lardman | ScriptFanix: what were the errors? |
| 14:00.49 | crashanddie | ZogG: I also used to be an op on #gentoo, until they all went into a powertrip |
| 14:00.53 | lcuk | ie, guard bars are 3 bits |
| 14:00.53 | ZogG | is maebarcode author around? |
| 14:00.59 | crashanddie | ZogG: I'm still not following you, but please let's drop the topic |
| 14:01.06 | lardman | ZogG: yeah I'm one |
| 14:01.13 | lcuk | i base whether its a 1 or 0 by taking the range of only those 3 bits |
| 14:01.21 | lardman | lcuk: nice |
| 14:01.25 | lcuk | it really emphasises and allows pulling out data from low light |
| 14:01.38 | lcuk | and because contrast changes over the entire barcode |
| 14:01.40 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 14:01.45 | ScriptFanix | silly me! I destrouyed it⦠just a sec |
| 14:01.46 | lcuk | it allows much nicer pullup |
| 14:01.49 | MohammadAG | oh nvm, it's a Sunday |
| 14:01.53 | ZogG | crashanddie oh, that's why your nick is so familair, i hate kids with power, i was op on some jabber confs, hate to use power. only bots are banned by me =) |
| 14:02.07 | ZogG | lardman you are one what? |
| 14:02.15 | lardman | of the mbarcode devs |
| 14:02.23 | ZogG | oh |
| 14:02.28 | lardman | dragly being the other (who knows more about Qt than me) |
| 14:02.31 | lardman | :) |
| 14:02.38 | crashanddie | you're more than that, lardman, you're the one who started the project, are you not? |
| 14:02.39 | ZogG | lardman, can you try somehower to intagrate it more into system =) |
| 14:02.57 | lardman | of course, what are you thinking? |
| 14:02.57 | ZogG | lardman is a shy guy |
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| 14:03.03 | ScriptFanix | lardman: alsa_dsp_transfer(): Requested too much data transfer (playing only 2048) |
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| 14:03.14 | lardman | crashanddie: well yeah, I wrote the backend, but not the new plugin system and ui |
| 14:03.17 | ZogG | is useless loser =) |
| 14:03.19 | lcuk | lardman, i even use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downsampled#Downsampling_by_rational_fraction |
| 14:03.30 | lcuk | to get however many pixels to fit the 95bits needed |
| 14:03.36 | lcuk | is getting very posh o_O |
| 14:03.42 | lardman | ;) |
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| 14:03.44 | ZogG | lardman new plugin system is weird as most of it doesn't have configs but it is still there |
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| 14:04.16 | lardman | ScriptFanix: interesting, sounds as though there's an arbitrary limit set by the Nokia ARM-side code, but the DSP-side wants more |
| 14:04.18 | ZogG | my turtle is driving me crazy |
| 14:04.24 | lardman | ScriptFanix: but doesn't sound terminal |
| 14:04.28 | ZogG | crashanddie, are you gentoo dev as well? |
| 14:04.32 | crashanddie | no |
| 14:04.55 | lardman | ZogG: I think plugins are the way forward, but can't say I completely understand it all! :) |
| 14:05.09 | lardman | what's you issue specifically? |
| 14:05.15 | ScriptFanix | yep, playing works fine, so besides flooding log files it's not really an issue |
| 14:05.17 | crashanddie | lardman: wouldn't AF use some sorting algorithm? |
| 14:05.27 | ZogG | itit's like there is configs of plugins and you can't change or set anything there =) |
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| 14:05.39 | lardman | re integration, being able to choose which app to launch on shutter screen opening would be good, as would using the shutter release button |
| 14:06.06 | ZogG | <crashanddie> no / pity i almost wanted to touch you and to put your photo on my desktop =( |
| 14:06.20 | lardman | crashanddie: contrast based tries (iirc) to maximise the contrast in the image (which will require sorting the derivatives probably) |
| 14:06.51 | lardman | ZogG: yeah, we need to add a menu to allow plugins to be turned on/off/etc certainly |
| 14:06.59 | crashanddie | lardman: are you running contrast against the whole image, or just a subset of it? |
| 14:07.05 | ScriptFanix | it might also be an MPD bug, I don't think it's much tested on ARM platforms, and the maemo package is quite old (0.13, current MPD version is 0.15 and there were many changes) |
| 14:07.22 | lcuk | ScriptFanix, do you have the sdk installed? |
| 14:07.23 | ZogG | i' |
| 14:07.31 | lardman | I just use the Ti offering rather than doing it myself - but that will depend on which regions they chose |
| 14:07.32 | lcuk | because it might be an idea to grab the latest |
| 14:07.32 | ZogG | m gonna sleep for an hour or smthing like that |
| 14:08.08 | ScriptFanix | lcuk: nope, i found that package on garage.maemo.org |
| 14:08.14 | lardman | ScriptFanix: I'm not sure it would be a bug with MPD, seems lower level, but MPD could simply avoid/filter passing along those messages |
| 14:08.34 | ZogG | so most of important parts of hildon are closed? |
| 14:08.47 | lardman | not especially |
| 14:08.48 | ZogG | and there are no api for blobs on maemo? |
| 14:08.54 | lardman | depends on what's important to you ;) |
| 14:09.07 | ZogG | i mean can we just fork maemo and replace all the things we don't like |
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| 14:09.35 | lardman | not easily re battery charging, wifi, BT, but otherwise look at Mer |
| 14:09.49 | ZogG | mer is dead =( |
| 14:09.49 | lardman | add GPS to the list too |
| 14:10.00 | ZogG | but do they have api or something |
| 14:10.07 | ZogG | we can still use the same drivers |
| 14:10.13 | lardman | but gives an idea of what needs to be replaced due to being closed, if that's the goal |
| 14:10.26 | lardman | most of the apis are open and available |
| 14:10.43 | lardman | but re autofocus, we don't know what it does inside, and I want some intermediate data |
| 14:10.57 | ZogG | i just think if most bugs can't be fixed, no updates are comming |
| 14:11.34 | ZogG | lardman, i'm thinking about hacking Nokia's data server |
| 14:12.41 | lardman | for the GPS? Or something else? |
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| 14:14.00 | lardman | QSqlDatabase::open() - does that create a database/table that doesn't already exist? |
| 14:14.44 | Duckboot | has bought Lego Mindstorms NXT 2.0 - It's a helluva fun. |
| 14:15.15 | lcuk | lardman, shouldnt create any tables - you asked it to open a database :p |
| 14:15.43 | lardman | ah, that's true, doh! |
| 14:15.51 | lardman | but will it create the db if it's not there? |
| 14:16.08 | lardman | in fact, where does one even set the location |
| 14:16.13 | lardman | needs to look at some examples |
| 14:17.10 | alterego | Does tmo have an RSS feed? |
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| 14:19.08 | alterego | Is it possible to find out what repository a package came from? |
| 14:19.26 | alterego | I want to be able to differentiate whether a package was from testing or somewhere else ... |
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| 14:19.55 | ScriptFanix | when I find time for this I'll try and package MPD 0.15 for maemo. If it doesn't resolves this at least it will bring some really interesting features |
| 14:20.42 | dr34m | is there some app to change wallpapers via a gui ? |
| 14:20.58 | dr34m | cant find anything usefull |
| 14:21.04 | alterego | Actually, nevermind, I've got a cool idea. |
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| 14:29.17 | lcuk | lol ZogG |
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| 14:30.12 | BCMM | dr34m: yeah there is an app called "settings" |
| 14:30.20 | lcuk | lardman, barcode scanning should be theoretically simmilar to OCR |
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| 14:32.50 | lardman | yep |
| 14:33.06 | lardman | at least in the Booleanisation process |
| 14:33.53 | lardman | http://www.talesofthings.com/ must add plugin for this |
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| 14:45.29 | wazd_n900 | hello maemo |
| 14:46.17 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
| 14:46.50 | alterego | Aloha |
| 14:47.41 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps: how's it going?) long time no see :) |
| 14:47.45 | Stskeeps | wazd_n900: i'm good |
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| 14:49.29 | GAN900 | wazd_n900, when'd you get an N900? |
| 14:50.55 | Stskeeps | wazd_n900: and you? |
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| 14:53.46 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps: I've missed meego handheld ui leak, was there anything interesting? :) |
| 14:54.01 | Stskeeps | wazd_n900: engadget links to it i believe |
| 14:54.13 | Stskeeps | (google cache) |
| 14:55.13 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps: oh, nice, should check it asa I get home :) |
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| 14:57.50 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps; Eldar already wants to write devastating preview of n9 :) |
| 14:58.16 | Stskeeps | wazd_n900: probably, but he writes shit anyway |
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| 14:59.10 | wazd_n900 | stskeeps: shit can't prodiuce anything but shit :) |
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| 14:59.20 | wazd_n900 | produce* |
| 14:59.32 | Jaffa | wazd_n900: It'll be on the front page of tomorrow's MWKN |
| 14:59.43 | TomaszD | good day |
| 14:59.43 | Tha801game | do maemo apps come directly from debian repos? |
| 14:59.48 | TomaszD | so what's new |
| 15:00.01 | Jaffa | Tha801game: Yeah; apart from Ovi which is a bit weirder |
| 15:00.31 | wazd_n900 | jaffa: MWKN saves the day again :) |
| 15:01.13 | Tha801game | wow. i just got n900. so most debian apps are available huh |
| 15:02.18 | Jaffa | wazd_n900: Every week :-) |
| 15:02.29 | joga | not most, really, but if you install easydebian, you can use the debian arm repos |
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| 15:02.57 | pyther | Hello |
| 15:03.23 | pyther | I'm looking at getting the N900 for ATT |
| 15:03.24 | wazd_n900 | btw, n900 has passed the most important crash test - my friend that has paranormal ability to crash any digital device was unable to do it with n900 :) |
| 15:03.32 | Tha801game | il do that. so happy i got this instead of iphone4 |
| 15:03.54 | pyther | Is there a way to have programs ask to use the 2g/3g network? |
| 15:04.00 | alterego | So, currently my N900 has 1873 packages installed. |
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| 15:04.46 | pyther | I won't have a data plan, but I can send/recieve mms messages + do instant messaging with the text-messaging service I have |
| 15:04.47 | Tha801game | i got it for att. in the settings u can have it ask u everytime it requireds inet connection |
| 15:05.01 | Tha801game | no 3g on att |
| 15:05.04 | pyther | Tha801game: thanks, cool, any problems with ATT |
| 15:05.12 | lcuk | wazd_n900, we told you, the n900 is a rock solid device and maemo is kickass on it :) |
| 15:05.19 | pyther | yah I don't really need 2g/3g most places I'm around have wifi |
| 15:05.31 | pyther | and if there is no wifi I likely don't want to be online |
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| 15:05.37 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:05.43 | wazd_n900 | jaffa: I'll try to find some time to help you with CSS stuff if you want, but I'm seriously crowded with maemo projects now :) |
| 15:05.59 | alterego | Woo! 200 downloads of my app! :D |
| 15:06.11 | Tha801game | ya. no problems so far. i been using it for a day straight non stop. im on it now |
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| 15:07.04 | pyther | Tha801game: have you tried mms messaging? |
| 15:07.07 | wazd_n900 | lcuk: not quite kick-ass but really sweet indeed |
| 15:07.17 | Arkenoi | btw do you guys get SIP working over your cellular networks? here in Russia it just sucks, both 2G and 3G equally |
| 15:08.04 | wazd_n900 | arkenoi: o/ |
| 15:08.10 | lcuk | wazd_n900, you are involved with making it better :P you should be prouderer |
| 15:08.33 | Tha801game | no not yet. it doesnt come on the phone by default |
| 15:08.49 | alterego | I've done VoIP and SIP, worked okay for me. |
| 15:09.14 | SpeedEvil | alterego: What is this app? And do you have a convenient way to donate by paypal, or donatearussianbridetoastrugglingGPLauthor.com? |
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| 15:09.36 | pyther | Tha801game: ahh ok, if you don't mind where did you buy yours from? |
| 15:09.49 | alterego | SpeedEvil: no, this app is a freebie, my next app will have a donate system in place. |
| 15:09.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:10.00 | alterego | Or, the next update of this app might have a donate in place. |
| 15:10.08 | Tha801game | craigslist. 350 with everything in box |
| 15:10.21 | alterego | Depends, as, well, I don't currently have any "profitable" ideas to write apps. |
| 15:10.31 | alterego | I'm currently working on a maemo QA testers UI |
| 15:10.47 | SpeedEvil | just finished a stupid script to scrape the QA page. |
| 15:12.19 | alterego | Well, my app, when run, will tell you what apps you have installed from testing, what their current karma is, and give you the option to vote for the app. |
| 15:12.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/packageqalist - output tab seperated package list |
| 15:12.42 | SpeedEvil | I suspect yours may be more usable :) |
| 15:12.53 | alterego | :) |
| 15:13.04 | alterego | It's in response to your post on that thread actually. |
| 15:13.24 | alterego | And my lack of anything to do at the moment ;) I thought I could quickly hack something together this afternoon |
| 15:13.26 | toggles_1 | SpeedEvil: lol on the license |
| 15:13.27 | pyther | Do I need net access to use the gps app? |
| 15:13.29 | SpeedEvil | attempts to annoy people into developing apps! |
| 15:13.35 | alterego | :D |
| 15:14.40 | SpeedEvil | tends to overuse awk, and not actually use sane parsers for (x|ht)ml |
| 15:15.00 | alterego | There aren't really any sane (shell script) usable parsers. |
| 15:15.16 | alterego | I wrote a few of my own, for processing XML using xpath and stuff for use in shell scripts a while ago. |
| 15:15.49 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning overuse awk - rather than python or perl, when you can simply include a shiny thing that parses the whole DOM. |
| 15:15.57 | SpeedEvil | and lets you query it |
| 15:16.00 | alterego | indeed |
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| 15:18.44 | alterego | I might even add a status area plugin, which every now-and-again notifies you that you've got testing software installed and you should vote for it ;) |
| 15:19.17 | alterego | Ooo, this could me my submission to that maemo developer contest :D |
| 15:20.16 | alterego | Oh, I have one day .. |
| 15:20.27 | alterego | Oh well, maybe not |
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| 15:58.24 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 15:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 15:59.53 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 16:02.32 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 16:02.40 | xDaReaperx | isnt the N900 supposed to play .mp4 files ? |
| 16:03.06 | MohammadAG | which it does |
| 16:03.19 | xDaReaperx | well i have a video file with .mp4 |
| 16:03.24 | xDaReaperx | it says unsupported format |
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| 16:03.59 | MohammadAG | well, MP4s can use a variety of codecs |
| 16:04.12 | MohammadAG | so there's no real way to say which one will work and which one won't |
| 16:04.24 | xDaReaperx | i thought all .mp4 files are playable |
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| 16:04.41 | xDaReaperx | i downloaded the .mp4 file from keepvid , which actually downloads files form youtube |
| 16:05.06 | MohammadAG | Video playback file formats: .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263 |
| 16:05.18 | MohammadAG | MP4 is used for HQ vids on youtube afaik |
| 16:05.33 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 16:05.35 | MohammadAG | i.e their res is higher than 800x480 |
| 16:05.45 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, mp4 is a container format, as MohammadAG says it supports many codecs within that - some of which may not be accessible. there is an extra codec pack around i believe which might improve compatability in your instance |
| 16:05.47 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay i'll get a smaller resolution one and try |
| 16:06.01 | xDaReaperx | hmm do you know the codec packs name ? |
| 16:06.05 | lcuk | nop |
| 16:06.12 | lcuk | cos i never needed it |
| 16:06.19 | xDaReaperx | why ? |
| 16:06.21 | xDaReaperx | oh ok |
| 16:06.24 | lcuk | ive just heard others mentioning it |
| 16:06.30 | MohammadAG | extra-decoders I think |
| 16:06.35 | xDaReaperx | ok ty |
| 16:06.53 | MohammadAG | or decoders-support |
| 16:07.11 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/ |
| 16:07.34 | xDaReaperx | which one is good ? |
| 16:07.47 | xDaReaperx | oh its the same thing almost |
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| 16:09.50 | MohammadAG | ponders how to reset the menu arrangement |
| 16:13.41 | xDaReaperx | anyways i'm lucky to find the same video with 480x360 HQ |
| 16:13.44 | xDaReaperx | hope it works |
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| 16:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | what means "HQ" for 480*360? |
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| 16:14.44 | xDaReaperx | its High quality but it's 480 x360 |
| 16:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | scratches head |
| 16:15.10 | xDaReaperx | i dunno i'm downloading the video from keepvip and it says so there |
| 16:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | ***** moviestar rating? |
| 16:15.26 | xDaReaperx | this is what it shows : âºâº Download MP4 â¹â¹ - High Quality - 480x360 |
| 16:15.34 | xDaReaperx | what are you talking about ? |
| 16:16.11 | xDaReaperx | the video plays yes ! |
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| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.tvmovie.de/ rating 5 stars |
| 16:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | == High Quality |
| 16:18.26 | xDaReaperx | lol k |
| 16:18.31 | xDaReaperx | i was talking about music video |
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| 16:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | so probably more like a RollingStone rating then |
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| 16:21.56 | xDaReaperx | xD |
| 16:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | aah well, probably they meant ">5fps" |
| 16:23.43 | xDaReaperx | i dunno the video is pretty much like HQ lol |
| 16:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | as 480*360 is seriously sub-par wrt resolution |
| 16:24.30 | xDaReaperx | hmm k |
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| 16:58.00 | pahartik | is just getting started with "Nokia N900" |
| 16:58.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:58.42 | Stskeeps | possibilities are endless |
| 16:58.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:58.47 | SpeedEvil | I recommend installing as your first app - http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900fly/ |
| 16:59.20 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
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| 17:01.52 | pahartik | Stskeeps: I did transfer "rootsh_1.5_armel.deb" to device over OBEX PUSH but there seems to be no possibility to install it in file browser... |
| 17:02.35 | SpeedEvil | parasight: Do you not have normal internet connectivity on the phone? |
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| 17:03.56 | jacekowski | pahartik: use terminal |
| 17:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | pahartik: like in "connect to WLAN, have 3G working" |
| 17:04.17 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, you're so smart you shouldn't be here |
| 17:04.29 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 17:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: :-D |
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| 17:04.41 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, how would he gain root |
| 17:05.15 | jacekowski | local root exploit |
| 17:05.35 | xDaReaperx | pahartikis just getting started with "Nokia N900" |
| 17:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | aayes, boot into single user and hack passwd with a hexeditor |
| 17:06.00 | MohammadAG51 | talkimg shit doesn't mean you weren't wrong, which you were :) |
| 17:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | definitely |
| 17:06.29 | MohammadAG51 | actually, he could go into R&D mode, much easier than haxxoring passwd |
| 17:06.29 | jacekowski | i see you are learning how to be antisocial |
| 17:07.04 | MohammadAG51 | haha |
| 17:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest WLAN + HAM |
| 17:07.15 | MohammadAG51 | I learn from the best jacekowski |
| 17:07.26 | jacekowski | yeah, i'm proud of you |
| 17:08.44 | pahartik | DocScrutinizer: Well, I have used "Nokia 770" until now... I have not activated SIM yet, but I guess I have to, before anything can be installed... |
| 17:08.44 | MohammadAG51 | I suggest clicking the deb in the file manager |
| 17:08.44 | jacekowski | pahartik: you can use wifi |
| 17:08.44 | xDaReaperx | is there an equalizer for the N900 music player ? |
| 17:08.44 | MohammadAG51 | or the file manager |
| 17:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: ;-( |
| 17:08.52 | MohammadAG51 | plugin that rapes the CPU, yes |
| 17:09.08 | xDaReaperx | DocScrutinizer : ? |
| 17:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: == afaik not |
| 17:09.23 | pahartik | jacekowski: I have Bluetooth PAN for local wireless networking at site |
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| 17:09.33 | jacekowski | xDaReaperx: you can do it with PA |
| 17:09.35 | xDaReaperx | oh hmm okay |
| 17:09.43 | jacekowski | xDaReaperx: but as MohammadAG51 noticed, it will rape your cpu |
| 17:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | seems ALSA mixer has some treble and bass controls, maybe worth a try |
| 17:10.48 | xDaReaperx | jacekowski : hmm PA ? |
| 17:10.57 | xDaReaperx | okay i'll try to get that |
| 17:11.03 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, there's a plugin in devel |
| 17:11.09 | MohammadAG51 | PulseAudio |
| 17:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | blaaargh |
| 17:11.17 | pahartik | jacekowski: And next thing is trying to find out which package on current Maemo provides "pand" |
| 17:11.42 | e-yes | hi there |
| 17:11.45 | xDaReaperx | MohammadAG51 : Okay thanks a lot i'll find it |
| 17:11.46 | jacekowski | pahartik: adhoc wifi would be simpler |
| 17:11.47 | MohammadAG51 | pand? |
| 17:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | honestly a eq should go to mp3/whatever decoder |
| 17:11.59 | MohammadAG51 | hey |
| 17:12.08 | jacekowski | bluetooth thing |
| 17:12.14 | jacekowski | personal area network something |
| 17:12.23 | jacekowski | it's like panda without a |
| 17:12.25 | MohammadAG51 | oh, PAN |
| 17:12.27 | pahartik | jacekowski: I do not have 802.11 network |
| 17:12.44 | e-yes | is kexec broken completely in all n900 kernels? or... could anybody tell "success story" about kexec? |
| 17:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | now that's a serious bootstrap problem |
| 17:13.06 | iPeter- | Hi |
| 17:13.41 | iPeter- | What is wrong with my N900, i receive a message and then its yellow, but it doesnt open, or takes 10~20sec to open it |
| 17:13.44 | iPeter- | even more. |
| 17:13.46 | FredrIQ | use terminal to install rootsh... ofc |
| 17:13.50 | Stskeeps | e-yes: yes, but there's supposed to come an update with working kexec. there's patches out in the open for it |
| 17:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | pahartik: I guess your best bet is 3G or public hotspot, as even USB networking will need some root to put it to work |
| 17:14.41 | MohammadAG51 | just transfer the file to /home/user/MyDocs and install it from file manager |
| 17:14.56 | e-yes | Stskeeps, do you mean kexec.diff (4 patches related to mmu/caches/etc lowlevel code) from kernel-power? |
| 17:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | pahartik: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles |
| 17:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | pahartik: might help |
| 17:15.42 | FredrIQ | <MohammadAG51> just transfer the file to /home/user/MyDocs and install it from file manager |
| 17:15.47 | FredrIQ | does that even work? |
| 17:15.56 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
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| 17:16.40 | Stskeeps | e-yes: yes |
| 17:16.47 | DrIDK | Hi ! How can I show QGroupBox border? Or is there any way to show this? ( layout border ?) |
| 17:16.49 | MohammadAG51 | or change the configuration file for hildon-application-manager in .osso and change permanent red pill mode to 1 |
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| 17:16.54 | pahartik | DocScrutinizer: Yes, very good... Thank you |
| 17:17.18 | MohammadAG51 | pahartik, just transfer the file to /home/user/MyDocs and install it from file manager |
| 17:18.15 | FredrIQ | i though local debfiles needed dpkg -i to work properly |
| 17:18.17 | e-yes | Stskeeps, thanks. seems my mistake (in kexec-tools args?). What did you used kexec for? |
| 17:19.17 | MohammadAG51 | FredrIQ, not really, it's needed for the ovi store |
| 17:19.52 | MohammadAG51 | so installation via HAM was enabled in 1.1.1 |
| 17:19.54 | pahartik | MohammadAG51: It asks which application I want to open that Debian package |
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| 17:20.17 | MohammadAG51 | err |
| 17:20.28 | MohammadAG51 | which firmware? |
| 17:20.34 | MohammadAG51 | you need at least 3.2010.02-8 for that |
| 17:20.56 | lardman | re |
| 17:21.33 | Zucca | Is it possible to add a command liine command to desktop as shortcut? |
| 17:21.48 | MohammadAG51 | vi .osso/hildon-application-manager and change the 0 to 1 in red-pill-mode and red-pill-permanent |
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| 17:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: queenbeecon |
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| 17:22.02 | MohammadAG51 | Zucca, desktop execution widget |
| 17:22.07 | MohammadAG51 | or that |
| 17:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: or command line execution widget |
| 17:22.23 | DocScrutinizer | err that, MohammadAG51 said |
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| 17:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly queenbeecon is better |
| 17:23.06 | Zucca | I want to store long cli commands I use to desktop. Lika alias for desktop. I'll see those you suggested. |
| 17:23.08 | yigal | hi Ctrl-backspace isn't taking me out of easy Debian LXDE session? |
| 17:23.17 | yigal | how can I kill the session? |
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| 17:23.52 | SpeedEvil | yigal: power button, or camera button, back from camera, kill app in app switcher |
| 17:24.55 | yigal | SpeedEvil: the stylus doesn't work although the powerbutton dialogue comes up |
| 17:25.20 | yigal | infact the touchscreen is borked seemingly |
| 17:25.47 | SpeedEvil | hmm, odd. |
| 17:25.51 | yigal | it's almost time for battery out time |
| 17:25.56 | SpeedEvil | ssh into it? |
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| 17:26.06 | SpeedEvil | or just longpress power to shut it off |
| 17:26.16 | yigal | SpeedEvil: not possible I haven't started the ssh server |
| 17:26.20 | yigal | ok I'll power off that way |
| 17:26.22 | yigal | ty |
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| 17:28.02 | SpeedEvil | n900fly also has a hidden poweroff mode, if you throw it high enough. |
| 17:28.35 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: how did you find out? |
| 17:28.45 | yigal | SpeedEvil: cool :D |
| 17:29.16 | MohammadAG51 | mikki-kun, he checked the source code, how else |
| 17:29.40 | yigal | Ah I closed the window needed to gain keyboard access in the LXDE session by mistake |
| 17:29.47 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: you never know... some people may even try getting a world-record at throwing their n900 ;) |
| 17:30.07 | MohammadAG51 | 7km here |
| 17:30.43 | yigal | Discus for Linux nerds |
| 17:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, going shooting this afternoon then Father's Day dinner after that. Should be available after 2000 UTC, so just leave me whatever. |
| 17:34.04 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: what are you shooting? |
| 17:34.09 | lardman | and hi :) |
| 17:34.11 | SpeedEvil | wonders on parcels. |
| 17:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, 9mm, .357 Mag, .22LR. |
| 17:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | and hi :) |
| 17:34.37 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: people, sheep, signs? ;) |
| 17:34.47 | GeneralAntilles | Paper targets. :P |
| 17:34.50 | lardman | :) |
| 17:35.05 | lardman | we're off to the US for 3 weeks, Holly wants to do some shooting while we're there |
| 17:35.14 | SpeedEvil | With pictures of nokia executives on? |
| 17:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, where are you going? |
| 17:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, if only. |
| 17:35.25 | toggles_1 | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 17:35.32 | lardman | SFX, San Diego and then over the border to Quebec |
| 17:35.34 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, but the ranges don't let you bring pictures of celebrities or ex girlfriends. :D |
| 17:35.43 | yigal | is installing CUPS in Easy Debian useful for printing with the n900? |
| 17:35.44 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, CA sucks for shooting. |
| 17:35.50 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure what your options are out there, really. |
| 17:35.51 | lardman | really, boo! |
| 17:36.03 | lardman | ah, we're going to Las Vegas too now I remember |
| 17:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, yeah, bunch of anti-constitution totalitarians out there. |
| 17:36.13 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, Vegas. |
| 17:36.15 | lardman | is a long trip |
| 17:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | Should be a good place to shoot. |
| 17:36.27 | yigal | I know where I can get a life size picture of Sarah Palin, do politicians count? |
| 17:36.31 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: lol @ anti-* comment |
| 17:36.42 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: cool :) |
| 17:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, too bad you're not coming to Florida or I could buff you guys out. :P |
| 17:36.59 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: will try to make a trip to Florida next year - missed the deadlines for this year |
| 17:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, rent a .22 and rent something big. |
| 17:37.29 | lardman | you're always welcome here of course, weapons not included I hasten to add! ;) |
| 17:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | .22 is the best for starting out. |
| 17:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | If only I had the cash. |
| 17:37.54 | lardman | what does rental cost? ball-park |
| 17:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | Probably between $10-$50 an hour |
| 17:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | Depending on where you go and what you get |
| 17:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | Range fees will be between $10 and $20 either for as long as you shoot or per hour |
| 17:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Depending. |
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| 17:38.42 | lardman | ok, so not too much in the grand scheme (/me looks at his credit card) |
| 17:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | Buy your ammo at WalMart. |
| 17:39.08 | GeneralAntilles | Because range reloads always suck and they charge an arm and a leg for factory at the ranges. |
| 17:39.15 | lardman | really? as a foreigner? Don't want homeland security to cut our holiday short! |
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| 17:39.28 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't be an issue. |
| 17:39.43 | GeneralAntilles | I can ask around about Nevada law. |
| 17:39.49 | lardman | just remember to not try to take any unused rounds home with us ;) |
| 17:39.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehehe |
| 17:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | You poor bastards. |
| 17:40.00 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: that would be good, thanks :) |
| 17:40.37 | lardman | still got 3 weeks of getting presentations done so there's time yet :) |
| 17:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, I'll see about good ranges in Vegas, too. |
| 17:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 17:40.49 | lardman | thank mate :) |
| 17:40.54 | lardman | -s |
| 17:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, I'm ALWAYS happy to corrupt foreigners with my evil gun-toting ways! :D |
| 17:41.41 | lardman | lol |
| 17:41.46 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, lardman wont need shootign range in vegas, tho he will turn into sheriff and go after those one armed bandits no doubt :D |
| 17:42.15 | lardman | nah, not into the pokies, my Mum's aussie, they have a bad rep over there |
| 17:43.15 | lardman | bbiab, have to go do some washing up - wouldn't want an "accidental discharge" to kill me on the shooting range ;) |
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| 17:47.21 | V13 | Is there a standard method to launch apps from python/programs or should I just parse .desktop files myself and use exec? |
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| 17:51.51 | MohammadAG51 | V13, what's this for? |
| 17:52.00 | V13 | an application launcher |
| 17:52.07 | V13 | (wannabe) |
| 17:52.22 | MohammadAG51 | oh, the request one? |
| 17:52.27 | V13 | ? |
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| 17:52.31 | MohammadAG51 | Just read .desktop files, use Name= as a name and exec= to launch the app |
| 17:52.32 | bef0rd | xdg-open ? |
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| 17:52.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Cool, have fun. |
| 17:53.03 | MohammadAG51 | V13, thought you were making what someone requested on tmo (app launcher with search support using keyboard) |
| 17:53.07 | V13 | bef0rd: hm... not in my n900... |
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| 17:53.26 | V13 | MohammadAG: No. What i want is a launcher with portrait mode support :) |
| 17:53.42 | V13 | read: desktop-widget |
| 17:53.43 | MohammadAG51 | oh |
| 17:53.51 | RST38h | moos distractedly |
| 17:57.01 | MohammadAG51 | moos back at RST38h |
| 17:57.17 | MohammadAG51 | does anyone know how to convert PNGs to PVRs? |
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| 17:58.35 | lardman | looks at lots of class methods to fill in an feels despair |
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| 17:58.53 | SpeedEvil | what's a pvr? |
| 17:59.08 | lardman | not a PowerVR I guess |
| 17:59.37 | Stskeeps | i think it might be.. |
| 17:59.46 | lardman | SVG then? |
| 17:59.51 | SpeedEvil | I would answer pngtopvr - but that doesn't exist on my system |
| 17:59.59 | lardman | but those are vector graphics |
| 18:00.20 | lardman | oh right, pvr-ready textures? |
| 18:01.32 | MohammadAG51 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PVRTC |
| 18:02.12 | MohammadAG51 | hildon-desktop uses them |
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| 18:05.06 | lardman | ah ok |
| 18:05.11 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: http://web.onetel.net.uk/~simonnihal/3d.html - y2fail |
| 18:05.23 | V13 | Ha!... got it :-) method call sender=:1.29 -> dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr serial=477 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr; interface=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr; member=LaunchApplication |
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| 18:09.47 | V13 | FYI: You can start apps like this: dbus-send --session --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr --type=method_call /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:MyApp |
| 18:09.51 | V13 | where MyApp is the app name |
| 18:10.07 | V13 | this way you get the launch feedback and the previews |
| 18:10.57 | MohammadAG51 | ty |
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| 18:11.25 | MohammadAG51 | adds it to his local dbus list |
| 18:11.40 | V13 | lol :) |
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| 18:11.54 | V13 | I mention it here so that I can google it latter :) |
| 18:12.25 | MohammadAG51 | add it to the wiki |
| 18:12.31 | V13 | which one ? |
| 18:13.02 | V13 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS ? |
| 18:13.07 | MohammadAG51 | Jebba's, if he doesn't mind |
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| 18:14.58 | MohammadAG51 | yea |
| 18:15.55 | V13 | arg... already there :) |
| 18:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | he asked to do that |
| 18:16.07 | V13 | and first :-) |
| 18:16.09 | V13 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Open_Phone_application |
| 18:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~curse pnatd for being a crippled retarded botch |
| 18:17.22 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, pnatd for being a crippled retarded botch ! |
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| 18:35.10 | V13 | ok... a harder one. Is there a standard way to load application icons or should I just search on all icon paths ? |
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| 18:36.55 | ebzzry | Where can the chat logs for the built-in IM system be found? |
| 18:36.59 | MohammadAG51 | find -name *.png in /usr/share i guess |
| 18:37.13 | V13 | MohammadAG: no I wont :-) |
| 18:37.14 | MohammadAG51 | i use /usr/share/pixmaps for my packages |
| 18:37.19 | MohammadAG51 | others use /usr/share/icons |
| 18:37.27 | V13 | I see pyxdg... will try this first |
| 18:37.55 | MohammadAG51 | ebzzry, /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-1.db iirc |
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| 18:38.19 | MohammadAG51 | el-v1.db* |
| 18:38.50 | ebzzry | MohammadAG51: Thanks, let me check. |
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| 18:39.02 | ebzzry | MohammadAG51: What type of db is it? |
| 18:39.29 | MohammadAG51 | SQLlite I think |
| 18:39.29 | jacekowski | sqlite3 |
| 18:39.40 | jacekowski | and make sure you use sqlite3 |
| 18:39.51 | MohammadAG51 | that's the one |
| 18:39.53 | jacekowski | if you use sqlite software it will just destroy database |
| 18:40.10 | ebzzry | Thanks guys. BTW, why is it prefixed "rtcom"? |
| 18:40.23 | jacekowski | realtime communication? |
| 18:40.25 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 18:40.33 | Stskeeps | was called rtcomm before |
| 18:40.57 | V13 | got it! pyxdg/IconTheme.py: getIconPath(). |
| 18:41.28 | ebzzry | Hmm. Due to lack of imagination maybe? But naming isn't critical in that context anyway. |
| 18:41.36 | ebzzry | Thanks, nevertheless. |
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| 19:01.08 | pahartik | seems to have some more work on getting Bluetooth PAN set up, but at least "dpkg --purge adobe-flashplayer" was performed |
| 19:01.42 | MohammadAG51 | lol why'd you purge it |
| 19:02.37 | jacekowski | it has a lot of bugs |
| 19:02.58 | pahartik | MohammadAG51: Otherwise HTML browser might accidentally under some circumstances execute that code... |
| 19:03.33 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
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| 19:08.24 | Venemo | alterego: are you there? |
| 19:09.41 | pahartik | MohammadAG51: Hopefully packages matching "*skype*" have only few dependencies as well, so "dpkg --purge" will be easy |
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| 19:11.30 | MohammadAG51 | telepathy-spirit, hope I saved you some time |
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| 19:16.47 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 19:16.47 | pahartik | MohammadAG51: Thank you... Yes, that looks like core of that evil thing |
| 19:17.36 | Venemo | does the "update automatically" (in settings/date&time) work correctly on the N900? |
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| 19:17.53 | Venemo | because even though I enabled it, the clock is inaccurate |
| 19:17.54 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 19:18.08 | MohammadAG51 | after a reboot at least |
| 19:18.18 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: no |
| 19:18.30 | SpeedEvil | finds the bug |
| 19:18.37 | MohammadAG51 | no? |
| 19:18.45 | MohammadAG51 | it worksforme |
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| 19:19.52 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, which def of your updates updates im status, too many definitions in it :P |
| 19:19.52 | DrGrov | Will the N900 have any MeeGo support later on? |
| 19:20.02 | Venemo | well, either this, or EVE's UTC time is wrong, which I seriously doubt |
| 19:20.03 | Stskeeps | define support |
| 19:20.04 | SpeedEvil | bug 10163 |
| 19:20.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 GPS does not automatically set time of device. |
| 19:20.19 | Venemo | DrGrov: yes, with community support |
| 19:20.22 | SpeedEvil | (In the UK, apparantly, we don't broadcast GSM time) |
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| 19:20.58 | DrGrov | Venemo: so Nokia will not be interested in supporting it officially? |
| 19:21.17 | Venemo | DrGrov: no, it has been announced when PR 1.2 arrived |
| 19:21.21 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: you can instal ntpdate |
| 19:21.24 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 19:21.24 | SpeedEvil | ntpd |
| 19:21.27 | SpeedEvil | which works well |
| 19:21.31 | Stskeeps | it won't be commercially supported as in you won't be able to call nokia care about it |
| 19:21.39 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, isn't that GPS time not network time? |
| 19:21.56 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: will it be able to make normal phone calls as Maemo is now on the N900? |
| 19:22.13 | Venemo | DrGrov: however, there are community projects for bringing Harmattan, and also regular MeeGo |
| 19:22.14 | Venemo | DrGrov: they are both backed by several Nokia devs |
| 19:22.14 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: where do I get that from? |
| 19:22.17 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: we're working on that |
| 19:22.25 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 19:22.33 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: One of the repos - hangon |
| 19:22.40 | DrGrov | Venemo: ah, Harmattan. Have to google around that to find out more. Thank you |
| 19:23.06 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: great news :) It was a bit odd to see the first MeeGo running on the N900 with a bash screen lol :) |
| 19:23.09 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.12 | SpeedEvil | ah - optimism |
| 19:23.29 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/openntpd/3.9p1-4-maemo8/ |
| 19:23.32 | SpeedEvil | openntpd |
| 19:23.38 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: that's just cos no UX is published.. |
| 19:23.44 | hrw|gone | MohammadAG51: you packaged aptitude for maemo5? |
| 19:23.46 | hrw|gone | hi all |
| 19:24.14 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: ok, what is the timeline for MeeGo to officially be stable to use on the N900? |
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| 19:24.36 | MohammadAG51 | hrw, yes, libcwidget is broken and the app segfaults, haven't checked out the actual reason |
| 19:24.41 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: dunno, let's see how things go. there'll be extensive QA and development |
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| 19:24.47 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: never. |
| 19:24.50 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: let's get a UX on it first |
| 19:24.53 | hrw | MohammadAG51: ok, good to know that it is known problem |
| 19:24.53 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: AIUI |
| 19:25.03 | MohammadAG51 | hrw, actually it works till you actually start the "install packages" part |
| 19:25.18 | MohammadAG51 | -2nd actually |
| 19:25.18 | SpeedEvil | (In that it will never - as currently roadmapped - be available on n900) (As I understand it) |
| 19:25.30 | hrw | MohammadAG51: it sigfaults here after creating UI |
| 19:25.45 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: ok, so just time to wait it out for now. thanks |
| 19:25.58 | MohammadAG51 | hrw start it as root |
| 19:26.01 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: enjoy fremantle for now i guess |
| 19:26.02 | hrw | MohammadAG51: I did |
| 19:26.17 | hrw | MohammadAG51: I remotelly logged by ssh to root user and started it |
| 19:26.47 | MohammadAG51 | it starts up, even minesweeper in it works :) |
| 19:27.07 | hrw | MohammadAG51: not here |
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| 19:27.29 | Venemo | re |
| 19:27.52 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: yeah, I really enjoy Fremantle :) It is working out beautifully |
| 19:28.30 | Venemo | Stskeeps: just a side question: is the current MeeGo for N900 able to run the tablet UX? |
| 19:28.33 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: No issues thus far which I find relieving. Perhaps I will try more applications now when I have good setup and got used to the device. Time to pick out the testing repositories |
| 19:28.48 | Stskeeps | Venemo: i haven't seen the tablet UX code. |
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| 19:31.14 | Venemo | Stskeeps: it is very interesting, since it was demoed already, but noone has seen its source yet |
| 19:31.24 | Venemo | Stskeeps: does it mean that is won't be open, or that it will be opened when it's complete? |
| 19:31.34 | Stskeeps | Venemo: i don't (honestly) know |
| 19:31.45 | DrGrov | How is the WLAN on the N900? I have a 24 Mbit connection at home with WiFi and I get around 2-2,2MB / sec download speeds. Is the N900 capable on handling the 2MB download speeds? |
| 19:32.15 | Venemo | DrGrov: yes, it is |
| 19:32.35 | Venemo | DrGrov: for web pages, the rendering speed of the browser is more likely to be the bottleneck than the network throughput |
| 19:32.44 | ShadowJK | 24 is about the max you get on 11.g in ideal conditions |
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| 19:33.26 | SpeedEvil | tests. |
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| 19:34.09 | MohammadAG51 | I get max 200kbps on my 5MB connection |
| 19:34.26 | MohammadAG51 | same download on my PC gets about 600-800 |
| 19:34.28 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: this is http? |
| 19:34.37 | DrGrov | Venemo: yes, it does seem like that. I had some minor issues on larger images. |
| 19:34.45 | SpeedEvil | I get at least 150 kilobytes/s |
| 19:34.54 | Venemo | DrGrov: if you don't mind my asking, are you new here? :) |
| 19:34.55 | SpeedEvil | that is my upstream limit though |
| 19:35.18 | DrGrov | I actually tested with an episode of House which is roughly 350 MB took me about 5-6 minutes or so to finish. |
| 19:35.38 | DrGrov | Venemo: yes, I am new here. Been around for about 2-3 months or so, ever since I got my N900. |
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| 19:36.14 | DrGrov | So roughly counting that would be around 600-850 kB /s |
| 19:36.51 | Venemo | DrGrov: well then, welcome aboard! :) |
| 19:37.12 | Venemo | DrGrov: however, just a side note: if I were you, I wouldn't worry about MeeGo at all |
| 19:37.35 | DrGrov | Venemo: thank you :) No, I am not worrying about MeeGo. I am just interested and curious as always with new techincal stuff :) |
| 19:37.40 | Venemo | DrGrov: with the Nokia Qt SDK, it will be bloody easy to build any app for Maemo 5 |
| 19:38.11 | DrGrov | Venemo: you say? I actually have a suggestion for an app |
| 19:38.21 | Venemo | DrGrov: I'm listening |
| 19:38.34 | Venemo | :) |
| 19:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: gui being the only and main problem in developing any app? that's new to me |
| 19:39.41 | DrGrov | Venemo: The type of application I liked to see more of is some type of "organizer" application. |
| 19:39.46 | ham5 | can the n900 receive camera streams from wireless servalence cams? |
| 19:39.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, what do you mean? |
| 19:40.27 | DrGrov | Venemo: not like the regular calender though lol |
| 19:40.45 | Venemo | DrGrov: well, what do you miss? |
| 19:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I'd say with Qt you may perhaps get shinier gui with less effort, but a working app is just as much of an effort to get the core functions right on either gui lib |
| 19:41.15 | DrGrov | Venemo: Ah, I hate to explain my ideas in English. It takes a while for my brain to translate from Swedish to English :) |
| 19:42.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I wasn't talking about that |
| 19:42.02 | DrGrov | Venemo: I mean like an organizer that would integrate the functions of the calendar but with extra additions. To have a "all-in-one" package for alarm, notes etc. |
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| 19:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: uhuh |
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| 19:43.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what I meant was this: if there will be an app for MeeGo, and we want it for Maemo 5, it will take only a click of a button to build a Maemo 5 package for the app |
| 19:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: see ^^^ DrGrov - now tell me why this is a snap with Qt and much more trouble with the recent maemo |
| 19:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: now that's a little different from what you were stating some lines above. Anyway nvm |
| 19:44.07 | SpeedEvil | ham5: Sometimes - for example - if you can point a browser at it, often, yes. |
| 19:44.10 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: huh? Not following you now.... |
| 19:44.20 | mece | evenin' |
| 19:44.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, English is not my native language |
| 19:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: <Venemo> DrGrov: with the Nokia Qt SDK, it will be bloody easy to build any app for Maemo 5 |
| 19:45.02 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah I see. I am not too sure about that since I have never tried to build an app for Maemo 5. |
| 19:45.11 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I just tested with /dev/zero, and 100 meg took 100 seconds. |
| 19:45.14 | dotblank | I'm amazed that there isn't a "real" last.fm client |
| 19:45.15 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: yes, it takes a click of a button to build for Maemo 5 |
| 19:46.09 | dotblank | I might have to make one |
| 19:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: building always takes the click of a button in the end - usually enter-button |
| 19:46.21 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: oh, that is good. Not too bad actually :) |
| 19:46.28 | SpeedEvil | last.fm doesn't allow streaming to moibles IIRC |
| 19:46.45 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: And that is to my laptop, which is on the same subnet. |
| 19:46.48 | DrGrov | Guys, check out DJ May on Jamendo. |
| 19:46.49 | dotblank | SpeedEvil, right... but I plan to fix that with my grooveshark client |
| 19:47.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: true, but my point is, it takes no effort for a future MeeGo app to be ported to Maemo |
| 19:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, bbl |
| 19:47.21 | DrGrov | I do hate Rhythmbox on Ubuntu with Jamendo client.... |
| 19:47.26 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I would be happy to perform a test where this is the only device on the wireless net, but I would need you to paypal me $500 to get a faster line installed :) |
| 19:47.43 | DrGrov | God damn that downloading of the Jamendo catalog is painfully slow even on my 24 Mbit connection |
| 19:47.51 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 19:47.59 | dotblank | DrGrov, Yea I know its insaine |
| 19:48.27 | DrGrov | I actually have my N900 as the only device on my wireless net atm. There is no other one on the same signal. |
| 19:48.31 | SpeedEvil | My connection syncs at ~2 meg. But occasionally drops to 150K If I don't remember to kill it at night - well - I have it going through cron now - then it retains lower, and then stays at 150k for 2-3 days |
| 19:48.35 | DrGrov | dotblank: the Jamendo loading? |
| 19:48.44 | dotblank | DrGrov, yea |
| 19:49.22 | DrGrov | dotblank: i started checking via Rhythmbox for nice songs and get the browser and just download everything I find. |
| 19:49.41 | DrGrov | Got 20-30GB in store to download later once I have the time to search on the Jamendo webpage :) |
| 19:50.22 | DrGrov | I am trying to get a even faster line here where I live but seems like nobody is supplying it. |
| 19:50.24 | DrGrov | Damn |
| 19:51.20 | DrGrov | dotblank: are you on Jamendo at the moment? Check this one out. A girl from Brazil doing some trance. |
| 19:51.28 | DrGrov | DJ May - Have Found |
| 19:52.48 | DrGrov | Any new themes or good apps coming from testing to extras? :) |
| 19:53.34 | dotblank | DrGrov, I'm working on my grooveshark client but its not even in testing yet |
| 19:53.57 | Stskeeps | dotblank: is it in devel yet? |
| 19:54.16 | dotblank | I supose I could put it in devel... |
| 19:54.24 | Stskeeps | i was looking for it earlier so :P |
| 19:54.38 | Stskeeps | .. on a sidenote, there isn't a possibility to have the client save the mp3s while listening? |
| 19:54.41 | dotblank | I also have to put a dependancy in in devel then too |
| 19:55.17 | dotblank | Stskeeps, Maybe :) because the mp3s are properly tagged with metadata its possible to make a folder in Music/Grooveshark |
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| 19:55.20 | SpeedEvil | rapier wizard-mounter quick-launch tuner wormux feedingit grr lfocus espeakgui ecoach gonvert |
| 19:55.23 | dotblank | and it has all the downloaded songs |
| 19:55.28 | Stskeeps | dotblank: that'd be leet. |
| 19:55.32 | SpeedEvil | are all on their way from extras-testing to extras |
| 19:55.44 | SpeedEvil | some are updated versions |
| 19:55.49 | SpeedEvil | (qa list >10 karma) |
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| 19:59.05 | dotblank | Do I need to have an invitation for extra-devel? |
| 19:59.14 | dotblank | I'm guessing yes |
| 19:59.36 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 19:59.46 | Stskeeps | you can request one easily, afaik |
| 20:00.09 | DrGrov | Who is in charge of the Conversations Inbox widget? |
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| 20:02.33 | mece1 | There's a conversations inbox widget? |
| 20:03.06 | Venemo | mece1: yes, there is |
| 20:03.10 | mece | There's a conversations inbox widget? |
| 20:03.18 | Venemo | mece: yes |
| 20:03.24 | dotblank | Stskeeps, just sent a request |
| 20:03.27 | Venemo | mece: although it's no big deal |
| 20:04.01 | mece | oh the mece1 came through? weird. |
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| 20:06.48 | Stskeeps | sighs |
| 20:07.35 | DrGrov | The conversations inbox widget is really good to have |
| 20:08.02 | DrGrov | Like the way I see the message directly on the screen without needing to open the message to see the main things... |
| 20:08.21 | RST38h | Humanity is wily and resourceful, and many of the methods outlined below will take many years to even become available, let alone implement, by which time mankind may well have spread to other planets |
| 20:08.33 | DrGrov | Any good hints and tips videos in HD quality on YouTube about the N900? |
| 20:08.44 | DrGrov | Trying to find some good quality and informative videos without any good success |
| 20:10.50 | Venemo | DrGrov: not really |
| 20:10.58 | Venemo | DrGrov: you are better off with the Maemo.org wiki |
| 20:12.41 | DrGrov | Venemo: ok thanks |
| 20:12.43 | Venemo | nah, good night everyone |
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| 20:13.08 | DrGrov | Is that Notification light settings really important to turn "Device On" indicator off to save battery life? |
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| 20:13.31 | DrGrov | Or can I keep "Device On" indicator on without much difference? |
| 20:13.47 | mece | MohammadAG, ping |
| 20:13.57 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 20:13.58 | jacekowski | DrGrov: it's nothing compared to everything else |
| 20:14.09 | jacekowski | DrGrov: besides, there is o device on indicator |
| 20:14.46 | mece | wow! BRA-CIV! It's like hockey! |
| 20:16.32 | mece | MohammadAG, hey, can you type a right to left language on your N900? |
| 20:16.44 | RST38h | mece: Is CIV allowed to use sticks? |
| 20:16.49 | MohammadAG | mece, yeah |
| 20:17.44 | mece | MohammadAG, can you see you can use qlister 0.2-7? |
| 20:17.48 | mece | it's in devel |
| 20:18.23 | MohammadAG | sec, I already have it |
| 20:18.28 | mece | :) |
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| 20:18.53 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Best case it will cause a drop from around 120h standby to 100 or so |
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| 20:20.29 | MohammadAG | mece, no problems here |
| 20:20.54 | mece | MohammadAG, so it works? |
| 20:21.03 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: so not too much then I presume... |
| 20:21.07 | mece | MohammadAG, does the list become right aligned too? |
| 20:21.11 | MohammadAG | mece, yes, and no |
| 20:21.13 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: So no need to turn the sexy LED blue light off then ;) |
| 20:21.19 | MohammadAG | mece, that's a Maemo 5 problem afaik |
| 20:21.35 | mece | MohammadAG, ok, thanks a lot. Care to make a screenshot? |
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| 20:25.16 | DrGrov | I just figured out that why do I really need 4 virtual desktops when 2 is enough? |
| 20:25.23 | DrGrov | That as well should be a battery life saver |
| 20:25.31 | Jaffa | DrGrov: It should? |
| 20:25.45 | DrGrov | Jaffa: as fair as I know it should. Not 100% sure though |
| 20:25.57 | ShadowJK | at most it'd save some memory |
| 20:26.00 | Jaffa | DrGrov: Wow; can you point to the code in hildon-desktop which means that having fewer desktops means less battery usage? |
| 20:26.17 | Jaffa | DrGrov: Fewer poorly written widgets, sure; but fewer *desktops*? Don't buy it. |
| 20:26.29 | ShadowJK | it doesn't actually take any CPU or power to have them there if nothing happens on them (and that kind of power use I'd rather attribute to the widgets) |
| 20:26.35 | MohammadAG | mece, sure, http://i46.tinypic.com/2nqxg2a.jpg <-- why don't you get rid of the rotate button and use the flag? |
| 20:26.40 | DrGrov | Jaffa: No, I have been just reading about it. I am not too confident but I kind of believe it. |
| 20:27.02 | DrGrov | Jaffa: did I say that I had invented that? No, I basically just stated that I've read it |
| 20:27.10 | Jaffa | DrGrov: As an experienced developer, and someone who's vaguely aware of hildon-desktop works, I'd say "don't believe it until you have stats" |
| 20:27.26 | Jaffa | DrGrov: I'm not saying you've invented it. I'm trying to dissuade you of mystical black magics. |
| 20:27.33 | jacekowski | Jaffa: do you know anything about maemo autobuilder? |
| 20:27.39 | mece | MohammadAG, because autorotate is the scourge of the world, and should be killed with fire |
| 20:27.47 | DrGrov | Jaffa: I just read it online, not that I believe it until I see proof. |
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| 20:28.19 | mece | MohammadAG, or actually, I don't like when I'm holding my phone in the wrong way and it rotates |
| 20:28.19 | Jaffa | DrGrov: Then we're in agreement and the world is happy. |
| 20:28.25 | Jaffa | jacekowski: Some. Wassup? |
| 20:28.30 | jacekowski | DrGrov: if less desktops mean less widgets then it will save battery life |
| 20:28.33 | MohammadAG | mece, oh, when editing the list in bed I guess :P |
| 20:28.42 | jacekowski | Jaffa: any chance that you could send me configuration files? |
| 20:28.45 | DrGrov | Jaffa: yes, we are in agreement. Not that I never though otherwise. |
| 20:29.11 | mece | MohammadAG, More like, when shopping and a screaming kid is climbing up your leg. |
| 20:29.25 | jacekowski | Jaffa: wanna-build made me use f word much more often than average |
| 20:29.27 | DrGrov | jacekowski: Yes, agreed. I just have 1 desktop atm since I am not too active during my vacation. |
| 20:29.58 | MohammadAG | mece lol |
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| 20:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ShadowJK: could you please point to the code in hildon-desktop which means that having fewer desktops means SAVING MONEY ;-P |
| 20:30.49 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I guess they could fuck it up and still load all 4 background pictures ;-) |
| 20:30.53 | MohammadAG | just comment out the whole hildon-home file |
| 20:31.06 | mece | so Advice needed. I've got 0.2-6 with 7 votes, on it's way to extras, but 0.2-7 has the much wanted support for cyrillic, arabic, hebrew and whatnot. What should I do? Should I replace 0.2-6 with 0.2-7 right away, or try to get 0.2-6 to extras first? |
| 20:31.29 | ShadowJK | What app is it? |
| 20:31.33 | mece | qlister |
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| 20:32.22 | DrGrov | How the f*** do I save the loopable wallpapers on n900wallpapers.com? |
| 20:32.30 | DrGrov | The .desktop file should go to Images as well?? |
| 20:32.53 | MohammadAG | mece, push the new version |
| 20:33.08 | MohammadAG | $10 and you'll get my vote |
| 20:33.10 | MohammadAG | jk |
| 20:33.17 | mece | MohammadAG, yeaj, I think I will. |
| 20:33.30 | ShadowJK | Does that thing where you're supposed to need less votes for an upgrade work? |
| 20:33.36 | jacekowski | Jaffa: so? |
| 20:33.39 | mece | Mind if I post your screencap on tmo? |
| 20:33.57 | mece | ShadowJK, apparently not. |
| 20:34.15 | mece | ShadowJK, afaict. I've got 7 votes, and it's not enough. |
| 20:34.16 | MohammadAG | mece, screencRap? yeah |
| 20:34.22 | mece | k, thanks |
| 20:34.25 | MohammadAG | err, no I don't mind :P |
| 20:35.12 | mece | :D |
| 20:35.51 | mece | why is maemo.org transferring data from google.com?? |
| 20:37.35 | Jaffa | jacekowski: There's a thread on maemo-developers about how Jebba got it working, and gcobb using sbdmock |
| 20:37.42 | Jaffa | jacekowski: I don't have them to hand, I'm afraid. |
| 20:38.06 | MohammadAG | mece, ajax.google? I noticed that too |
| 20:38.27 | mece | MohammadAG, ah yes it must be the new search thing. It uses google. |
| 20:38.58 | Jaffa | mece: ajax.google.com also hosts loads of third party JavaScript libraries so that a) you don't have to download them for each site and b) they can come from Google's nice big fat bandwidth |
| 20:39.24 | mece | hmm so I promoted 0.2-7 I wonder if it automagically replaces 0.2-6 that was there with a bunch of votes.. |
| 20:39.26 | jacekowski | Jaffa: do you have a link? |
| 20:39.38 | mece | Jaffa, oh. Interesting. |
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| 20:41.43 | Jaffa | jacekowski: NOTTOMH, I'm afraid. Would've been about six months ago. |
| 20:42.06 | kW_ | Hello! Does anybody know which scripts run when the N900 is connected via USB to a computer and the user selects "Mass storage mode"? |
| 20:42.19 | Jaffa | jacekowski: Somewhere around http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg22861.html perhaps |
| 20:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | mece: you had a look at 'env|grep MYDOCSDIR', on http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libhildonfm/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-private.c#159 and #93? |
| 20:43.31 | mece | DocScrutinizer, umm.. no? |
| 20:43.53 | mece | DocScrutinizer, for adding / access to fm? |
| 20:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | mece: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=mydocs |
| 20:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | mece: yep |
| 20:44.16 | MohammadAG | mece |
| 20:44.26 | lardman | night chaps |
| 20:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | night lardman|home |
| 20:44.50 | MohammadAG | you do realize you could use sed to remove the file from the original package (modified libhildonfm-community package) |
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| 20:45.42 | MohammadAG | edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libhildonfm2.list and remove the last two lines, DocScrutinizer knows more about sed |
| 20:45.59 | type_t | any project working on .iSCSI .idisk WebDAV googleFS for distributed filesystem or peer-to-peer projects? |
| 20:46.45 | mece | MohammadAG, wtf is sed? ;) |
| 20:47.11 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: accessing "/" from /home/user/MyDocs works by binding "/" to "/home/user/MyDocs/root", but then the N900 cannot unmount MyDocs automatically... |
| 20:47.34 | MohammadAG | sed - stream editor for filtering and transforming text |
| 20:48.21 | mece | ah I see. |
| 20:48.56 | mece | ok here it is: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ |
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| 20:49.01 | mece | vote away :) |
| 20:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: I'm well aware of that |
| 20:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | as it seems I 'invented' that quite some time ago |
| 20:49.55 | MohammadAG | mece, fix that black bar :P |
| 20:50.08 | mece | what black bar? |
| 20:50.34 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: so, this meens the "MyDocs" storage is actually not easily accessible anymore |
| 20:50.36 | MohammadAG | the one when scrolling up/down |
| 20:50.37 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: how can this be fixed? |
| 20:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: fix the crap |
| 20:51.14 | MohammadAG | mkdir /media/root && mound --bind / /media/root |
| 20:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~libhildonfm2 |
| 20:51.18 | infobot | from memory, libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t |
| 20:51.20 | MohammadAG | there, you don't need to touch MyDocs |
| 20:51.28 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 20:51.37 | flailingmonkey | indeed, but there i more |
| 20:51.49 | mece | MohammadAG, hmm I wonder where that comes from. It's only in the QTextEdit. I wonder if it's a bug in Qt. |
| 20:51.51 | flailingmonkey | *is |
| 20:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nice :-D |
| 20:52.18 | flailingmonkey | MohammadAG: you need to mount --bind some more of the filesystems into /media/root/* to get full coverage |
| 20:52.40 | flailingmonkey | it does work for the rootfs parition by itself though |
| 20:52.46 | kW_ | MohammadAG: doesn't work |
| 20:52.56 | flailingmonkey | but, as an example, it wouldn't let you access /home/user |
| 20:53.01 | mece | Thanks for the vote MohammadAG ;) |
| 20:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: mhm, particularly /home |
| 20:53.11 | MohammadAG | kW_, works for me |
| 20:53.19 | MohammadAG | kW_, restart the file manager |
| 20:53.25 | flailingmonkey | but another few mounts should take care of that |
| 20:53.26 | kW_ | MohammadAG: how do I restar the file manager? |
| 20:53.43 | MohammadAG | close it and reopen it... |
| 20:53.56 | kW_ | that's what I did |
| 20:53.56 | flailingmonkey | kW_: it should work, as it monitors /media for mounted directories, and displays them |
| 20:54.15 | kW_ | MohammadAG: I still see "Nokia N900" as the only top-level directory |
| 20:54.40 | DrGrov | brb |
| 20:55.06 | kW_ | and I also issued "killall ossofilemanager" and then opened the file manager again |
| 20:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: try 'MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ossofilemanager' ;-) |
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| 20:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: won't fix your root problem, but at least you don't see "Nokia N900" then XP |
| 20:56.01 | MohammadAG | kW_, http://i48.tinypic.com/2vw8a3d.jpg and http://i46.tinypic.com/hs89a8.jpg |
| 20:56.05 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 20:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: a 'mount' prolly would help better than pics in this case |
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| 20:56.51 | kW_ | MohammadAG: well, that's cool for you |
| 20:57.04 | kW_ | MohammadAG: but it doesn't look like I can replicate this |
| 20:57.28 | kW_ | MohammadAG: mount says "/ on /media/root type bind (bind)" |
| 20:57.31 | MohammadAG | try mount / /media/root --bind |
| 20:57.34 | MohammadAG | idk then |
| 20:57.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it works for me |
| 20:57.59 | MohammadAG | (so does hostmode - most of the times) |
| 20:58.11 | mece | MohammadAG, you're special that way |
| 20:58.16 | MohammadAG | ~MohammadAG |
| 20:58.17 | infobot | you are, like, special |
| 20:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
| 20:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | mount: mounting / on /media/root failed: No such file or directory |
| 20:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 20:59.39 | flailingmonkey | kW_: you repartitioned your N900 right? might be the issue |
| 21:00.01 | flailingmonkey | I also noticed that I have a microSD card inserted, as does MohammadAG |
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| 21:00.24 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: did you mkdir /media/root? |
| 21:00.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, <MohammadAG> mkdir /media/root && mound --bind / /media/root |
| 21:00.31 | kW_ | flailingmonkey: might, but then it would still be a bug in the vfs, somehwere |
| 21:00.36 | MohammadAG | flailingmonkey, he knows :P |
| 21:00.49 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: I'm not a noob |
| 21:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 21:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | wfm |
| 21:01.44 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: I was teasing :P |
| 21:03.38 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: do you think it is feasible to relocate the mountpoint of the FAT32 partition to "/home/user/MyDocs/RealMyDocs"? |
| 21:03.53 | mece | MohammadAG, is it arabic btw? |
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| 21:04.18 | MohammadAG | mece, yeah |
| 21:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: most probably will break almost everything, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=mydocs |
| 21:04.38 | MohammadAG | kW_, that would cause more problems than solutions |
| 21:04.39 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: this way, I do not need to re-bind "/home/user/MyDocs/.maps" (which I do not want to store on the FAT32 partition, because FAT32 is inefficient with large directopries), and I can safeily re-bind "/home/user/MyDocs/root" to "/" |
| 21:05.05 | kW_ | note that I have 19GB free on my root partition... |
| 21:05.24 | MohammadAG | uhuh |
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| 21:05.34 | MohammadAG | <flailingmonkey> I also noticed that I have a microSD card inserted, as does MohammadAG |
| 21:05.35 | MohammadAG | http://i46.tinypic.com/vensbc.jpg |
| 21:05.36 | kW_ | so what specifically would break? |
| 21:05.51 | type_t | any project working on .iSCSI .idisk WebDAV googleFS for distributed filesystem or peer-to-peer projects? |
| 21:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: [2010-06-20 22:55:08] <DocScrutinizer> kW_: try 'MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ossofilemanager' ;-) |
| 21:06.09 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: I did |
| 21:06.13 | MohammadAG | if you didn't get an answer the first time it probably means no |
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| 21:06.23 | MohammadAG | @ type_t |
| 21:06.32 | mece | MohammadAG, it looks so much nicer on screen than these letters. Handwritten like. |
| 21:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | you noticed HFM seems to use the fs-root of MYDOCSDIR? |
| 21:06.54 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: the result was that the only top-level directory was "MyDocs" |
| 21:07.07 | lcuk | finally kicks visual basic and calls it a wild piece of shite |
| 21:07.11 | kW_ | and _not-_ "DCIM" |
| 21:07.15 | lcuk | ive actually found something in it i cant do! |
| 21:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 21:07.55 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: so, this does not help, does it? |
| 21:08.14 | MohammadAG | <lcuk> ive actually found something in it i cant do! |
| 21:08.46 | MohammadAG | yay, party! |
| 21:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | no, but it strongly suggests your relocation will break more than you'd normally guess |
| 21:08.46 | flailingmonkey | lcuk: congrats |
| 21:08.47 | MohammadAG | mece, lol |
| 21:08.47 | eitama | Meh |
| 21:08.47 | eitama | Hello everyone. |
| 21:08.58 | mece | eitama, hi |
| 21:09.09 | eitama | waves |
| 21:09.12 | lcuk | MohammadAG, its taken 10 years |
| 21:09.13 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:09.19 | lcuk | but today i think it finally beat me |
| 21:09.36 | flailingmonkey | lcuk: what version of VB? |
| 21:09.42 | lcuk | vb6 |
| 21:09.49 | flailingmonkey | ahhh vb6 |
| 21:10.03 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: but you do not know specificall what would break? |
| 21:10.21 | flailingmonkey | i got familiar with when doing maintenance on an app in VB6, then doing a VB6 to .NET migration. |
| 21:10.34 | mece | hasn't touched VB it since the 90's |
| 21:10.35 | MohammadAG | kW_, mate, it will probably render your device unbootable |
| 21:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | first libhildonfm2 will break I guess |
| 21:10.57 | kW_ | MohammadAG: well, then I should try it :-) |
| 21:10.59 | flailingmonkey | the USB storage device export scripts probably would break |
| 21:11.06 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, i spent 9 years working with the damned thing, and still have a fucktonne of code in it - i just cant get this one piece working |
| 21:11.20 | MohammadAG | kW_, time the reflash please |
| 21:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: as your relocation is the same as MYDOCSDIR=/home/user ossofilemanager |
| 21:11.26 | eitama | Someone please tell me you know how to start a skype call from dbus / C++ / Qt code / terminal pelase please please |
| 21:11.48 | lcuk | accessing the live .picture data from the VBIDE addin subsystem whilst generating a c application from the form layouts |
| 21:11.49 | flailingmonkey | lcuk: what I learned what that it has a TON of behavior that typical CS types wouldn't expect, and a lot of those behvaiors changed in .NET too |
| 21:11.51 | MohammadAG | maybe you just can't :) |
| 21:12.07 | mece | MohammadAG, howcome you haven't voted on this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/arabic-l10n/0.6/ |
| 21:12.08 | MohammadAG | eitama, run dbus-monitor, see if there's a path for it |
| 21:12.47 | kW_ | MohammadAG: no, I can boot from "rescue" mode and just undo the change |
| 21:12.48 | eitama | dbus monitor |
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| 21:12.49 | eitama | hmm |
| 21:12.59 | eitama | i'll search around (: |
| 21:13.01 | eitama | thanks!!! |
| 21:13.09 | MohammadAG | dbus-monitor in terminal |
| 21:13.14 | MohammadAG | kW_, k |
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| 21:14.36 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: well.. not having rebootet yet, relocating MyDocs to MyDocs/RealMyDocs works so far... but ossofilemanager needs to be started as "MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM ossofilemanager", not as "MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs ossofilemanager" |
| 21:14.50 | silbo_____ | is usleep in microseconds? |
| 21:14.53 | kW_ | so you have to supply a _fake_ MYDOCSDIR to actually make the MYDOCSDIR accessible |
| 21:14.55 | kW_ | weird, but works |
| 21:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: this actually works? |
| 21:15.22 | kW_ | so far |
| 21:15.27 | kW_ | now I should try to reboot :-) |
| 21:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | great |
| 21:15.53 | flailingmonkey | kW_: it might prune the last dir even |
| 21:15.58 | MohammadAG | kW_, nah, just try too finish a reboot |
| 21:16.01 | MohammadAG | to* |
| 21:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: first edit some shellscript where MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs is defined |
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| 21:16.24 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: I just did |
| 21:16.26 | kW_ | now I'm rebooting |
| 21:16.28 | kW_ | let's see |
| 21:16.34 | MohammadAG | ponders what userdel would do |
| 21:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: where is it? (MYDOCSDIR=/home/user/MyDocs) |
| 21:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: try rm -rf /, it's shorter |
| 21:17.32 | MohammadAG | XD |
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| 21:18.23 | MohammadAG | someone steal a serial cable from a care center and mass reproduce it, please :) |
| 21:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: env|less highly recommeded for lecture |
| 21:19.21 | Macer | hi |
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| 21:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | ponders where to smash in that "mount --bind / /media/root" line... |
| 21:20.46 | eitama | MohammadAG |
| 21:20.48 | eitama | I ran it |
| 21:20.57 | eitama | and pressed the skype call button right after it |
| 21:21.02 | eitama | 10 pages of crap (: |
| 21:21.03 | kW_ | well |
| 21:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | just 10?? feel blessed |
| 21:21.24 | eitama | lol |
| 21:21.32 | eitama | Really it's japanese to me |
| 21:21.34 | kW_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.41 | kW_ | against the wish stated in /etc/fstab |
| 21:22.04 | kW_ | I probably need to redefine INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT |
| 21:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: fstab is dynamically built on boot |
| 21:22.12 | MohammadAG | eitama, idk anything about dbus tbh |
| 21:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 21:22.31 | MohammadAG | annoying POS ^ |
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| 21:22.37 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: not on my system ;-) |
| 21:22.48 | MohammadAG | kW_, actually, it is :) |
| 21:23.19 | kW_ | MohammadAG: actually, what is what? |
| 21:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, just stopping the new build of fstab doesn't mean it's actually used anywhere. You'd need a mount -a for that |
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| 21:23.39 | MohammadAG | fstab is built on bootup |
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| 21:24.30 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: well, "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1" would help, too |
| 21:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: I guess no grep will find any 'mount -a' in any /etc/* file |
| 21:24.58 | eitama | MohammadAG, it's never too late to learn? |
| 21:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | so you can as well smole your fstab in a pipe |
| 21:25.00 | kW_ | MohammadAG: no, I explicitly changed the scripts to not rebuild /etc/fstab anymore |
| 21:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | smoke |
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| 21:25.54 | MohammadAG | eitama, good luck http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html |
| 21:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | hooray ENTERANICK is back again |
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| 21:26.45 | kW_ | guys, it works :-) |
| 21:26.54 | kW_ | I need to leave in 1 minute |
| 21:27.58 | kW_ | plugging in the USB cable and making RealMyDocs visible on the computer works, too :-) |
| 21:27.59 | MohammadAG | minute's over |
| 21:28.10 | MohammadAG | Out you go |
| 21:28.12 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:28.27 | kW_ | so changing MYDOCSDIR, changin INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT to another directory and creating this directory is enough |
| 21:28.32 | kW_ | ciao :-) |
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| 21:28.36 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:28.43 | kW_ | no fear of unbootability :-) |
| 21:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: great! :-) |
| 21:29.45 | kW_ | ciao :-) |
| 21:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: though I'd expect major surprise on using HAM next time |
| 21:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | INTERNAL_MMC_SWAP_LOCATION=/home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | OSSO_SWAP=/home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:31.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, change settings so that it uses /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wrong approach |
| 21:32.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's only a s/1/0/ :) |
| 21:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=INTERNAL_MMC_SWAP_LOCATION&filter=[Ii]NTERNAL_MMC_SWAP_LOCATION |
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| 21:41.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so just change 134 export INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT='/home/user/MyDocs' |
| 21:41.15 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.32 | MohammadAG | this too if test "x$INTERNAL_MMC_MOUNTPOINT" = "x"; then |
| 21:41.33 | MohammadAG | 154 export MYDOCSDIR=$HOME/MyDocs |
| 21:42.16 | dotblank | MohammadAG, what happens if the phone is in mass storage mode? |
| 21:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, and what's with http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ke-recv/src/ke-recv.c#1543 |
| 21:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | for example |
| 21:43.13 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/media# cat /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | grep mmcblk0p1 |
| 21:43.14 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/media# cat /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh | grep MyDocs Nokia-N900:/media# |
| 21:43.23 | mece | I'm out. Toodles. And thanks for the help. |
| 21:43.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nothing that's hardcoded I guess |
| 21:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | your guesses aren't quite assuring |
| 21:44.29 | MohammadAG | I know, they're very worrying :P |
| 21:44.31 | dotblank | MohammadAG, oh I ment if you set the mmc mountpoint in the MyDocs directory whilst the phone is in mass media mode |
| 21:44.38 | dotblank | mass storage* |
| 21:44.46 | dotblank | I would guess bad things |
| 21:44.47 | MohammadAG | dotblank, how would you even do that... |
| 21:45.02 | dotblank | MohammadAG, honestly no idea |
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| 21:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or look at that: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=OSSO_SWAP&find=&findi=&filter=OSSO_SWAP&hitlimit=&tree=fremantle :-D |
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| 21:45.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not hardcoded, again :) |
| 21:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | proove it! |
| 21:46.15 | dotblank | MohammadAG, is there a way to use the g_file_storage kernel module to boot a computer with the usb cable? |
| 21:46.17 | MohammadAG | grep MyDocs in it |
| 21:46.33 | dotblank | In theory it should work... |
| 21:46.39 | MohammadAG | err, what's this got to do with it |
| 21:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | if (setenv("OSSO_SWAP", mmc->swap_location, 1)) looks damn hardcoded |
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| 21:47.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just change the variable and it's not hardcoded anymore |
| 21:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: BS |
| 21:47.28 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:47.36 | MohammadAG | err |
| 21:47.47 | MohammadAG | k, nvm |
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| 21:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | btw the real problem is it's actually NOT hardcoded, but depends on object mmc |
| 21:51.31 | eitama | Good Night guys |
| 21:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | night |
| 21:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | time for my breakfast I guess |
| 21:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | guess it had to wait for me so long, it honestly could catch mold by now |
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| 21:55.30 | crashanddie | I'm so fecking bored it's not even fun anymore |
| 21:56.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | kick yourself for the thrill |
| 21:56.40 | SpeedEvil | You have the internet! There is so much fun and exciting stuff you could do! For example - http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ |
| 21:56.58 | crashanddie | yeah, so not going to happen SpeedEvil |
| 21:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Or http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html |
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| 21:59.26 | Koriami | ./me ha |
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| 22:28.26 | GAN900 | crashanddie, finish mwkn.net, yah bastard. |
| 22:28.44 | crashanddie | GAN900: I'm not working on something where I never get any feedback |
| 22:29.30 | crashanddie | GAN900: I'm a challenge driven man, and if the 3 things that challenge me, integration with twitter, jquery and the algorithms for edition management are written, I can't be arsed to finish it up |
| 22:30.49 | crs | Hi guys. Can anyone tell me where are contacts stored on n900? |
| 22:30.59 | crashanddie | crs: on the n900 |
| 22:31.48 | crs | Nice. How about path? |
| 22:32.34 | crashanddie | crs: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 22:32.44 | crashanddie | crs: why not simply use the API? |
| 22:32.45 | MohammadAG | ls /home/user/.osso-abook/db |
| 22:33.07 | MohammadAG | you'll find some files that might interest you |
| 22:33.31 | crs | I do have a lot contacts (some step of backing up from other device and importing to n900 caused that) with date of birth 31/01/2001. I would like to clear that field for those contacts. |
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| 22:35.57 | alterego | "In the computer?!?!?!?" |
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| 22:39.46 | GAN900 | crashanddie, too bad. |
| 22:39.53 | GAN900 | crashanddie, what if I dive into the CSS? |
| 22:40.18 | crashanddie | GAN900: hey, I've been asking people start working on it since I started on it |
| 22:40.26 | crashanddie | there is nothing that I hate more than working alone on a project |
| 22:43.32 | crashanddie | Watashi wa anata no keiyaku wa, ketsumatsu wa, to suisoku hiro sa re masu. |
| 22:43.52 | MohammadAG | agreed on that last bit |
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| 22:44.37 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: wa shiri o o okonau koto ga deki masu? |
| 22:44.50 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, no |
| 22:45.34 | pahartik | MohammadAG: Maybe you know whether it causes problem for Maemo if one uses "ext2" instead of "vfat" for "/home/user/MyDocs/"? |
| 22:45.44 | crashanddie | wakara naku nari mashita |
| 22:46.31 | MohammadAG | sure sure, just meet me in france by the eiffel tower |
| 22:46.37 | MohammadAG | pahartik, no idea, sorry |
| 22:47.11 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: shame, you were making sense for a while. |
| 22:48.23 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 22:48.50 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, what were you saying anyways :P |
| 22:50.50 | MohammadAG | ~seen zaheem |
| 22:50.52 | infobot | i haven't seen 'zaheem', MohammadAG |
| 22:51.23 | Ken-Young | When I use gdb in scratchbox to examine a core file, it always seg faults - has anyone else seen that problem, and found a fix? |
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| 22:51.48 | crashanddie | first I was preaching, then you said "agreed on the last bit", then I asked "what? That I can do you up the arse?", to which you replied no. I then said I was confused, and you said we'd meet under the eiffel tower |
| 22:52.14 | crashanddie | ~seen zaheerm |
| 22:52.15 | infobot | zaheerm <~zaheer@93-97-43-61.zone5.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 10h 49m 59s ago, saying: 'timeless_mbp, yep'. |
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| 22:52.59 | pyther | Hi all |
| 22:53.04 | MohammadAG | That I can do you up the arse?", to which you replied no. <-- LOL |
| 22:53.17 | pyther | I'm gonna buy a N900 and was wondering what accessories I might want to look at. Any suggestions? |
| 22:53.31 | MohammadAG | car battery modded with a USB cable |
| 22:53.34 | crashanddie | pyther: an iphone |
| 22:53.37 | MohammadAG | you might just get one day with it |
| 22:54.18 | pyther | crashanddie: not much interested in an iphone |
| 22:54.21 | crashanddie | actually I'm hitting my 3rd day on one charge |
| 22:54.46 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, you're special |
| 22:54.57 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I use 4 batteries each day |
| 22:55.01 | MohammadAG | well, sometimes 3 |
| 22:55.21 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: no, I live in a room where the electromagnetic current is so strong that batteries charge themselves |
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| 22:55.59 | crashanddie | that and I'm being paid by Nokia marketing to put in a good word every now and then |
| 22:56.13 | MohammadAG | <crashanddie> pyther: an iphone <-- uhuh |
| 22:56.28 | crashanddie | well, it's just that, an accessory :P |
| 22:56.44 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:56.54 | pyther | Nah I just mean is there anything that I might want to look at grabbing |
| 22:57.06 | crashanddie | pyther: screen protectors off the net |
| 22:57.15 | pyther | I got an Otter Box case/screen protector in my newegg cart |
| 22:57.28 | crashanddie | pyther: they seem pretty hot on the forums, never used/seen one. |
| 22:57.53 | pyther | Does anyone know if the N900 can charge via a simple/normal dc->usb charger? |
| 22:57.55 | crashanddie | pyther: I've lost all my styluses, so you may want to think about that too |
| 22:58.39 | crashanddie | pyther: not a "normal" charger, it requires some kind of "smart" charger IIRC, all these questions are answered by google and the wiki |
| 22:58.51 | pyther | crashanddie: so not with this? http://www.amazon.com/P002-Universal-USB-Charger-Adapter/dp/B000FAQ6S0/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1 |
| 22:59.04 | MohammadAG | soldering irons ftw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38230 |
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| 23:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'm going to contaminate myself now -> http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~hofmann/index_eng.html |
| 23:00.36 | pyther | MohammadAG: thanks for the link |
| 23:01.09 | pyther | Can anyone recommend a good smart-usb car charger? |
| 23:01.17 | MohammadAG | Nokia one I guess |
| 23:01.32 | MohammadAG | or,,, |
| 23:01.32 | MasseR | I've just a few hours ago downloaded scratchbox, and have been trying the examples foudn around the net. All the ui-elements are grey, what could be the cause? (http://imgur.com/13k4D.png) |
| 23:01.36 | MohammadAG | s/,/./ |
| 23:01.42 | MohammadAG | damn bot... |
| 23:01.55 | pyther | :D |
| 23:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: +g |
| 23:02.15 | FredrIQ | wouldn't that require s/foo/bar/g |
| 23:02.18 | FredrIQ | anyway? |
| 23:02.25 | FredrIQ | what he said |
| 23:02.50 | MohammadAG | http://i48.tinypic.com/2nh106r.jpg |
| 23:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 23:03.10 | zash | yes! |
| 23:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ.........../G |
| 23:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/G |
| 23:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/g |
| 23:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | gnah |
| 23:04.06 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 23:04.07 | zash | what |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 23:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | s/x/jkadhkDHJJHgDGHJ/g |
| 23:04.23 | zash | foobar |
| 23:04.26 | MohammadAG | oh,,, |
| 23:04.27 | zash | s/oo/\n/ |
| 23:04.29 | MohammadAG | s/,/./g |
| 23:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | damn capslock |
| 23:04.32 | zash | foobar |
| 23:04.33 | MohammadAG | I see |
| 23:04.35 | zash | s/oo/\\n/ |
| 23:04.37 | MohammadAG | ty DocScrutinizer |
| 23:04.50 | zash | foobar |
| 23:04.57 | zash | s/\n/moo |
| 23:05.00 | zash | meh |
| 23:05.03 | zash | s/\n/moo/ |
| 23:05.11 | MohammadAG | stop spamming :P |
| 23:05.12 | zash | whatever |
| 23:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | every 'special' char will make the regex fail |
| 23:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | s//what/ |
| 23:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | s/^/what/ |
| 23:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | it's a shame how poorly documented is that special feature if infobot |
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| 23:09.09 | *** kick/#maemo [DocScrutinizer!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (you're the poorly documented feature) |
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| 23:10.47 | Ken-Young | Wow, has the Good Doctor ever been absent from this channel before? |
| 23:10.48 | MohammadAG | stabs crashanddie |
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| 23:13.13 | pyther | What do you guys use for car chargers? |
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| 23:13.28 | MohammadAG | pyther, muhahaha <MohammadAG> http://i48.tinypic.com/2nh106r.jpg |
| 23:13.40 | MohammadAG | btw, that way the FMTX works |
| 23:13.49 | pyther | haha |
| 23:13.52 | MohammadAG | oh, and the car does act as a booster |
| 23:14.00 | MohammadAG | thus violating regulations |
| 23:14.07 | MohammadAG | but... I don't give a crap |
| 23:14.16 | pyther | someone said this cable will do the trick http://www.amazon.com/Micro-Adapter-SKN6252-Alltel-Motorola/dp/B000IBLD3E |
| 23:14.17 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, someone's gonna be pissed |
| 23:14.36 | MohammadAG | not sure |
| 23:15.22 | crashanddie | who? |
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| 23:16.17 | GAN900 | crashanddie, yeah, sorry. |
| 23:16.32 | GAN900 | :( |
| 23:16.35 | crashanddie | wait, wut? |
| 23:16.50 | crashanddie | oh, you offering to work on the CSS? |
| 23:17.20 | crashanddie | Well, I'm on a UX expert. i just try shit until people scream "this is awesome" |
| 23:17.34 | crashanddie | can take a decade or two, before that actually happens |
| 23:18.24 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, DocScrutinizer, who else |
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| 23:18.50 | crashanddie | who gives a shit about DocScrutinizer51? |
| 23:18.58 | puzzled | hi |
| 23:19.00 | crashanddie | He's a grumpy old electronics engineer |
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| 23:19.41 | crashanddie | puzzled: ohayo yoi sa |
| 23:19.48 | puzzled | anyone know a way to make the Modest email client on a N900 with PR1.2 do client certificate authentication? |
| 23:19.54 | puzzled | crashanddie: evening :) |
| 23:20.06 | MohammadAG | hands crashanddie his pills |
| 23:20.20 | crashanddie | arigato |
| 23:20.33 | MohammadAG | you're welcome |
| 23:21.00 | puzzled | Modest doesn't send its client certificate when requested so I wonder if there is some magic gconf setting that I can flip to make it offer its client certificate |
| 23:21.26 | pyther | Anyone have any idea if this cable would work with the N900? |
| 23:21.27 | pyther | http://www.amazon.com/BlackBerry-DataSync-Charging-Cable-Micro/dp/B001UC9NOQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 23:21.45 | pyther | it states "DataSync and Charging Cable" |
| 23:22.03 | puzzled | pyhimys: looks good. afaik it's a standard usb <-> mini-usb (or was that micro-usb) cable |
| 23:22.09 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: anata wa amarini mo shinsetsu de yujin desu shitashii |
| 23:22.35 | puzzled | pyther: that was for you (sorry pyhimys) |
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| 23:22.59 | pyther | puzzled: it was a micro, I'm hoping to use it with my cheapo car charger |
| 23:23.31 | crashanddie | pyther: dude, that cable comes with the n900 |
| 23:23.34 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, what language is that? Arigato is japanese |
| 23:24.01 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: tashika ni |
| 23:24.17 | lcuk | thinks crashanddie has been playing pokemon today |
| 23:24.25 | MohammadAG | rofl |
| 23:24.43 | puzzled | pyther: cheap enough to try :) Make sure you sand of any "bumps" at the bottom side of the micro-usb connector or you will soon join the ranks of folks who pulled the female micoro-usb connector straight out of the N900 or break it |
| 23:25.06 | lcuk | puzzled, ive never sanded my bumps down o_O |
| 23:25.29 | puzzled | read the massive forum thread about the usb port breaking on the N900 |
| 23:25.39 | crashanddie | actually, I had that question during a pubquizz last tuesday, lcuk, "What does Pikachu evolve into?", and secondly "What is the name of the yellow teletubby?" |
| 23:25.40 | lcuk | i know it can happen |
| 23:25.47 | lcuk | but its not guaranteed to |
| 23:25.55 | lcuk | and ive certainly had device for a long time now |
| 23:25.57 | pyther | lcuk: how can I sand them, sandpaper? |
| 23:26.11 | puzzled | my N900 has started to stop charging intermittently so I'm going to bring it to Nokia |
| 23:26.11 | lcuk | and i whack it in and out like nobodies business |
| 23:26.17 | crashanddie | pyther: I think that would be the ustensil used to sand stuff. |
| 23:26.23 | lcuk | pyther, i dont know! |
| 23:26.30 | puzzled | lcuk: then you're on of the lucky ones I guess |
| 23:26.33 | puzzled | one even |
| 23:26.44 | crashanddie | puzzled: never had any issues either |
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| 23:26.54 | lcuk | the only time ive ever broke a usb thing is on a device i dropped cable on and that wasnt a nokia even |
| 23:26.59 | lcuk | puzzled, not at all |
| 23:26.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by crashanddie |
| 23:27.01 | puzzled | pyther: you can use one of those things women do their nails with |
| 23:27.01 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 23:27.10 | crashanddie | puzzled: a file? |
| 23:27.13 | lcuk | theres thousands on thousands of people with perfectly fine devices |
| 23:27.13 | pyther | ah ok |
| 23:27.16 | lcuk | and a handful |
| 23:27.25 | puzzled | crashanddie: that's the word, thanks (not native English speaker) |
| 23:27.35 | crashanddie | puzzled: neither am I :) |
| 23:27.39 | lcuk | puzzled, its always the way |
| 23:27.43 | lcuk | the vocal minority |
| 23:27.59 | lcuk | you dont shout from rooftop "my device usb port works fine" |
| 23:27.59 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, this is racism, and sexism, why does infobot have voice and I don't |
| 23:28.13 | lcuk | does actually |
| 23:28.14 | barisione | is it known that the planet is probabile dead? |
| 23:28.23 | puzzled | if I look at the pictures of how the micro usb connector is attached to the pcb then, without any technical knowledge, tend to agree that it is a design flaw |
| 23:28.31 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: because your voice isn't worth hearing? |
| 23:28.32 | lcuk | barisione, i think its just sleeping for the weekend |
| 23:28.43 | MohammadAG | goes up to his roof and shouts |
| 23:28.46 | lcuk | X-Fade has been missing a bit this weekend |
| 23:28.52 | lcuk | so perhaps theres a blockage |
| 23:28.54 | MohammadAG | My device's USB port works fine! |
| 23:29.04 | lcuk | had a nice weekend barisione ? |
| 23:29.06 | puzzled | MohammadAG: is that you I hear faintly? :) |
| 23:29.11 | MohammadAG | lcuk, actually, the importer's been funny lately |
| 23:29.15 | lcuk | submitted your patch for testers tomorrow |
| 23:29.18 | crashanddie | barisione: this may help answer your question: http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 23:29.34 | puzzled | lol |
| 23:29.45 | puzzled | didn't know domains could have that much chars |
| 23:29.59 | MohammadAG | LOL crashanddie |
| 23:30.00 | FauxFaux | 63. |
| 23:30.26 | barisione | crashanddie: I meant another planet, the maemo one and not the earth one ;) |
| 23:30.35 | crashanddie | barisione: ah, my bad |
| 23:30.38 | barisione | lcuk: yes, and now it's time to bed |
| 23:30.40 | barisione | night all |
| 23:30.43 | crashanddie | night |
| 23:30.45 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, how would that get updated if it does destroy the world |
| 23:30.46 | lcuk | cya in the morning marco |
| 23:30.51 | MohammadAG | nn barisione |
| 23:31.00 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: well, I think you just answered your own question |
| 23:31.22 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: if the planet is destroyed, serving dynamic pages should be your last problem |
| 23:31.32 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, nope, UFOs have ethernet nowadays so they need to check on this planet's status |
| 23:31.47 | barisione | MohammadAG: you are missing the funny part of the page :) |
| 23:32.02 | MohammadAG | the source code |
| 23:32.19 | MohammadAG | <script type="text/javascript"> |
| 23:32.20 | MohammadAG | if (!(typeof worldHasEnded == "undefined")) { |
| 23:32.20 | MohammadAG | document.write("YUP."); |
| 23:32.20 | MohammadAG | } else { |
| 23:32.20 | MohammadAG | document.write("NOPE."); |
| 23:32.20 | MohammadAG | } |
| 23:32.52 | MohammadAG | ROFL <!-- if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated |
| 23:32.52 | MohammadAG | please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund --> |
| 23:33.34 | SpeedEvil | puzzled: What do you mean - design flaw? |
| 23:34.01 | crashanddie | tell that to the W3C, they still have to finalise the IPITP standard (InterPlanetary Internet Transfer Protocol), I mean, seriously, how is wide-fi supposed to work if the specs aren't approved? |
| 23:34.44 | crashanddie | And what, every browser will just implement their own solution, trying to elbow all the others out of the room, just like in the crappy HTML5 days? Man, that was over 3 million years ago! |
| 23:35.36 | crashanddie | wonders if the stuff we're fighting so fiercely for, and are so vocal about will matter in say, 10 years, 100 years, 2000 years... |
| 23:36.04 | MohammadAG | nope, IE will still stuck |
| 23:36.06 | MohammadAG | suck* |
| 23:36.11 | puzzled | SpeedEvil: the way the connector is attached to the board seems rather fragile. combined with the rather sturdy way that the connecter is attached seems (according to folks in the forum thread) to result in pulling the connector straight from the board when removing the cable's connector |
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| 23:36.33 | crashanddie | What will be remembered? The Open Source communities that were trying to build a better computing world, or the massive oil spill in the gulf of mexico? |
| 23:36.33 | SpeedEvil | puzzled: The attachment is completely standard in the industry |
| 23:37.11 | puzzled | then why are people reporting the complete removal of the board's connector? shouldn't it just stay on? |
| 23:37.25 | puzzled | that just should not happen |
| 23:37.34 | crashanddie | puzzled: how many people are reporting problems? |
| 23:37.38 | crashanddie | 10? 50? 100? |
| 23:37.45 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: I was amused at reading 'time did not begin, as is taught in many programming classes at the dawn of the space age, when man first went to the moon' (in some SF novel) |
| 23:37.46 | crashanddie | how many N900s have been sold? |
| 23:38.16 | SpeedEvil | puzzled: It is a completely standard design - that happens if the connecor is forced. (or there is a manufacturing defect) |
| 23:38.23 | puzzled | crashanddie: I don't know tbh. this was a problem with preproduction models which Nokia said was solved in production models but reports are still coming in |
| 23:38.41 | crashanddie | puzzled: I have a pre-prod model, no issue at all |
| 23:38.56 | crashanddie | maybe fat-fingered lumberjacks need to be more careful with their hardware? |
| 23:39.04 | puzzled | and my N900 stops charging intermittently which from reading that forum thread is also a sign of a failing board connector |
| 23:39.22 | puzzled | agree but I have treated my N900 with the upmost care |
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| 23:39.42 | puzzled | for a phone in that prive range crap like that should just not happen |
| 23:39.48 | puzzled | price even |
| 23:40.14 | SpeedEvil | There is no other standard connector for microUSB. |
| 23:40.15 | crashanddie | shit happens, there's always faults, return it to nokia, the price you paid included a warranty |
| 23:40.18 | SpeedEvil | Nobody makes them. |
| 23:40.21 | lcuk | im thankful the usb cable on my n900 isnt so long |
| 23:40.25 | SpeedEvil | That is - a board secured variant |
| 23:40.29 | lcuk | its fallen off desk a few times to just swing there |
| 23:40.42 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.49 | crashanddie | lcuk: aye |
| 23:41.50 | puzzled | crashanddie: planning to do that. there were reports that warranty claims were refused. after a piece on Engadget some Nokia guy responded publicly that issues with the usb connector would be honored (within warranty limitations off course) |
| 23:42.28 | crashanddie | puzzled: btw, this is a maemo channel, not a nokia customer service venting outlet |
| 23:42.41 | puzzled | nods |
| 23:42.54 | pyther | How long does it take for the N900 to detect a single? |
| 23:43.03 | SpeedEvil | pyther: a single what? |
| 23:43.16 | SpeedEvil | Beyonce - Crazy in love? |
| 23:43.17 | pyther | *signal |
| 23:43.20 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:43.25 | SpeedEvil | What sort of signal? |
| 23:43.27 | crashanddie | I mean, I feel for you, and all of those who had bad luck with the usb socket, but there really isn't anything we can do on our end |
| 23:43.31 | asj | I suspect it detects a single blow from a hammer pretty quick |
| 23:43.51 | pyther | SpeedEvil: cell signal |
| 23:43.58 | pyther | I'm in an area where coverage is spotty |
| 23:44.02 | SpeedEvil | pyther: a few seconds |
| 23:44.08 | pyther | ahh ok cool |
| 23:44.12 | pyther | had a phone that would take 5 minutes |
| 23:44.14 | crashanddie | asj: apparently, there's a special feature that will make the N900 cry "OK, OK, I'll do multi touch now" if you hit the screen with a sledgehammer |
| 23:44.57 | asj | crashanddie: I look forward to the youtube video |
| 23:45.12 | crashanddie | asj: could make a good follow-up to "will it blend" |
| 23:45.48 | asj | I want to see the N8 on will it blend |
| 23:45.59 | SpeedEvil | I suggested the n900. |
| 23:46.44 | asj | the n900 has a lot of plastic, where as the n8 has a glass screen and alum body (except for the endcaps) |
| 23:47.24 | SpeedEvil | Thin glass shatters immediately when hit at speed |
| 23:47.47 | SpeedEvil | The n900 also has a glass screen |
| 23:48.05 | asj | with plastic bonding it together...might be interesting |
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