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| 00:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Why do you lose your fingernails? |
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| 00:08.19 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, a long tale ;) |
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| 01:08.22 | yigal | I just made the purchase for an n900 and I feel good about it |
| 01:08.31 | SpeedEvil | Congratulations. |
| 01:08.35 | yigal | ty |
| 01:08.56 | SpeedEvil | has only one regret - that they diddn't put more than one stylus in th ebox. |
| 01:09.06 | SpeedEvil | Oh - IMO - you need to put a screen protector on right away. |
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| 01:09.13 | SpeedEvil | Others disagree. |
| 01:09.33 | yigal | ty SpeedE I'm pretty careful, but ... |
| 01:10.01 | yigal | I have an n800 in pretty good working order, no scratches |
| 01:10.22 | SpeedEvil | I was gardening with mine - using it to listen to mp3 - and managed to put seccaterurs in wrong pocket, and bend down and up a couple of hundred times. |
| 01:10.32 | SpeedEvil | Protector was almost shredded. |
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| 01:11.44 | yigal | jeez |
| 01:12.27 | yigal | I have 10 more months w/t-mobile I figure purchasing an n900 is a good deal for that time |
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| 01:12.41 | pupnik | carrying n900 around physical-work-environments can shorten lifespan significantly |
| 01:13.16 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I'm pondering making a proper case for it. |
| 01:13.30 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: As in nice thick slab of plastic on the front, ... |
| 01:13.48 | yigal | ha, there is the metal one at Amazon? |
| 01:14.13 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Currently wishing that you could get cheap bluetooth modules so I could do a touchscreen on it |
| 01:14.29 | yigal | ha |
| 01:15.15 | SpeedEvil | I'd like a way so I can have it mostly water-resistant while watching videos, for example. |
| 01:15.23 | SpeedEvil | Also probably with an extra battery. |
| 01:15.23 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: i think you and me are the only n900 owners who get hands dirty |
| 01:15.49 | pupnik | nice idea using logs to make that wall btw |
| 01:16.20 | yigal | pupnik: I was doing pretty much a "blue color" job for a month and a half up until now |
| 01:16.30 | yigal | building a house |
| 01:16.34 | yigal | :) |
| 01:16.42 | yigal | with me hands |
| 01:17.10 | yigal | good stuff |
| 01:18.59 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ |
| 01:19.10 | SpeedEvil | Me up ladder with n900 - chainsawing stuff. |
| 01:19.19 | SpeedEvil | And hedgetrimming, ... |
| 01:19.31 | SpeedEvil | Chainsaw up ladder is fun. |
| 01:19.58 | pupnik | good stuff yigal -- need to be able to do things besides modify patterns on screen ;) |
| 01:20.21 | yigal | exactly, lol |
| 01:20.36 | SpeedEvil | Good for excersize too. |
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| 01:21.04 | yigal | much better than a gym, makes me feel good |
| 01:21.08 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:21.29 | SpeedEvil | I find it really difficult to excersize for the sake of it. |
| 01:21.41 | SpeedEvil | Actually find it easier to diet. |
| 01:22.28 | yigal | me too, I like agriculture, home building, a making stuff with my hands |
| 01:23.07 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/weight.gif |
| 01:23.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:24.03 | yigal | that's some detailed stuff |
| 01:24.08 | yigal | lol |
| 01:24.27 | yigal | sorry I've already imbibed a bottle of wine |
| 01:24.43 | yigal | not so good with figures at present |
| 01:24.45 | SpeedEvil | I've wondered about a nice food/recipie/planning application. |
| 01:24.49 | SpeedEvil | It's a lot of work. |
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| 01:25.11 | yigal | I can't wait to use gnuplot on my new n900 |
| 01:25.17 | yigal | lol |
| 01:25.18 | SpeedEvil | Ideally, it would be able to scan barcodes of stuff in cupoards, track levels, and suggest what meals you can make with them based on some recipie reviews site. |
| 01:25.38 | SpeedEvil | There was a problem with it for a while |
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| 01:25.58 | yigal | I would settle on it being used as a laser level |
| 01:26.02 | SpeedEvil | tries a reinstall |
| 01:26.18 | SpeedEvil | The accel is moderately inaccurate. |
| 01:26.30 | yigal | lol |
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| 01:33.00 | yigal | well I'm too drunk to do too much, later Speed etc. I'll be a proud owner in a couple days, this is awsome. Power to freedom!! |
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| 01:33.45 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. 419 quid@ebuyer |
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| 01:35.51 | SpeedEvil | There needs to be another component to karma - tracking good reviews on shopping sites :) |
| 01:36.57 | Pelap | Hey guys. I have a 332 MB big file called "home/user/.sharing/outbox/attachment-IGC34U" How the * do I delete it ? |
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| 01:39.28 | Arkenoi | pelap: do you have "sharing" icon active in the status bar? |
| 01:40.31 | Pelap | Not now.. What does it look like exactly ? |
| 01:41.19 | pupnik | three dots connected by two lines in this orientation < |
| 01:42.15 | Pelap | ah yes. No I don't |
| 01:43.40 | Pelap | I thought it was email related, but those folders are empty.. |
| 01:43.51 | pupnik | possibly a flickr upload? |
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| 01:44.20 | pupnik | maybe you accidentally hit share on a video clip |
| 01:45.23 | Pelap | True.. but how do i go about rectifying it ? |
| 01:46.02 | pavlo | Has anybody had the problem on a n900 with the mediaplayer getting stuck and not playing anything? I didn't install anything new. It just stopped playing anything one morning. |
| 01:47.21 | pupnik | Pelap: i would move the file to /media/mmc1 and see what breaks |
| 01:48.23 | Pelap | That would be via xterm ? I'm not great at linux commands :) |
| 01:48.57 | pupnik | see, normally if there is something in queue waiting to be shared, you will see the sharing icon |
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| 01:50.02 | Pelap | yes. Cause i use Flickt, but there's no icon and this have been there for weeks now.. |
| 01:50.45 | pupnik | Pelap: that's good to know. Then i think you could be safe just moving it (mv) or deleting it (rm) |
| 01:50.47 | Arkenoi | so i guess you may probably safely delete it |
| 01:53.04 | Pelap | Okay, so it type in the full filename in xterm combined with rm. |
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| 01:55.49 | SpeedEvil | pavlo: it's been reported, I've hit it once, when playing corrupt videos. The infrastructure gets wedged. |
| 01:56.21 | pavlo | SpeedEvil: Any way to rectify it? Like reinstalling a package? |
| 01:56.49 | SpeedEvil | reboot |
| 01:56.58 | pavlo | Tried that many times |
| 01:57.00 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 01:57.06 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - misunderstood. |
| 01:57.06 | pavlo | It's been busted a couple of days now |
| 01:57.15 | SpeedEvil | pavlo: Do you mean it can't find files? |
| 01:57.22 | pavlo | Nope it can find my files |
| 01:57.23 | SpeedEvil | Or that it says 'unsupported file' |
| 01:57.30 | pavlo | No, I click to play |
| 01:57.35 | pavlo | The "now playing" screen comes up |
| 01:57.40 | pavlo | But nothing happens |
| 01:57.56 | SpeedEvil | That's odd. |
| 01:58.09 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I have no worthwhile suggestions - other than backup and reflash |
| 01:58.24 | pavlo | I never flashed in the first place :-( |
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| 01:58.28 | Pelap | It's gone! :) Thanks for helping out |
| 02:01.19 | pavlo | Hmmm now when I try to change the volume on the non-playing song, the cover art shows up and I get "Unable to perform operation" |
| 02:01.22 | pavlo | That's nice... |
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| 02:16.08 | pavlo | Tried reinstalling "mediaplayer" package |
| 02:16.11 | pavlo | That didn't help |
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| 02:28.32 | pupnik | http://gigaom.com/2010/03/18/the-mobile-os-market/ i'm amazed what a big player RIM still seems to be |
| 02:29.14 | SpeedEvil | Lots of jobs with them. |
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| 02:41.14 | ds3 | J2ME isn't too horrible on the N900! |
| 02:41.31 | pavlo | SpeedEvil: Strange! I uninstalled and reinstalled decoders-support. That seemed to fix it |
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| 02:42.04 | pavlo | SpeedEvil: I can now listen to Joe the Plumbers audiobook!!! Score! |
| 02:47.33 | pigeon | ds3: using microemulator? |
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| 02:55.06 | SpeedEvil | Pavlov: odd. |
| 02:55.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 03:01.02 | ds3 | pigeon: yeah |
| 03:01.19 | ds3 | since garnet is broken at the moment, I got a map viewer running via J2ME |
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| 03:04.01 | pupnik | ds3: i find your usage choices curious |
| 03:04.31 | pupnik | map viewer... ever tried osm2go? |
| 03:05.15 | ds3 | pupnik: yeah... that was painfully slow |
| 03:05.38 | pupnik | to look at maps and track your position>? |
| 03:05.43 | ds3 | and I already have Maemo Mapper installed; I want something a bit more "native" for browsing the google map database |
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| 03:06.05 | ds3 | native as in native to GMM |
| 03:06.16 | pupnik | what is GMM? |
| 03:06.27 | ds3 | I just need to find out if I can search for PoI's within that J2ME app |
| 03:06.33 | ds3 | GMM == Google Maps Mobile |
| 03:07.23 | ds3 | the PoI stuff don't seem to work for me with Maemo mapper |
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| 04:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 04:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | though arfarf would more sound like it |
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| 04:19.22 | b-man | ~moo |
| 04:19.33 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 04:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 04:19.35 | infobot | Since Sun Jun 13 08:51:39 2010, there have been 30 modifications, 248 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 172 commands. I have been awake for 4d 19h 27m 56s this session, and currently reference 117092 factoids. I'm using about 21940 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 10868.63/457.95 child 0.17/0.05 |
| 04:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | pretty laggy for so little to do |
| 04:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, 248 Q and 172 cmd in what, 5 days? |
| 04:22.03 | b-man | indeed |
| 04:24.52 | DocScrutinizer2 | waves |
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| 04:29.53 | shorter | is there a limited amount of applets that can show in the alarm/clock/profile menu? |
| 04:30.01 | shorter | I had flashlight installed, and it disappeared |
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| 04:31.04 | b-man | passes out and falls straight on his face |
| 04:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | ZyXEL P660 -PAHH! what a rap. 5 min fast per day, though NTP is configured |
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| 04:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | Crap even |
| 04:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | switching down the WAN for satisfying the provider's 24h max policy tears down all the NAT sessions, so despite this is a fixed IP none of my services like ssh or SIP connects continues to work |
| 04:36.56 | b-man | hmm |
| 04:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | It's incredible what you can do wrong in a simple NAT router, and how ZyXEL managed to find and hit every oportunity to fail |
| 04:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | obviously they never heard about NAT-BEHAVE RFC at ZyXEL |
| 04:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | in the 90ies ZyXEL was the best you can get :-( |
| 04:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 04:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsback |
| 04:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 04:41.51 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 04:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo |
| 04:43.19 | infobot | I'm on 106 channels: #debian/922, #maemo/505, #meego/381, #kde/326, #asterisk/251, #gsoc/227, #openmoko/163, #wowace/143, #oe/141, #wowuidev/132, #webos-internals/116, #wowhead/116, #sc2mapster/96, #htc-linux/95, #openmoko-cdevel/95, #utah/61, #edev/60, #tomcat/60, #asterisk-dev/58, #bzflag/56, #curseforge/47, #wowwiki/47, #slug/44, #uclibc/42, #gllug/35, #elinux/35, #utos/32, #uphpu/32, #/29, #norganna/27, #elive/23, #brlcad/23, #storm/21, ... |
| 04:43.19 | infobot | i've cached 4898 users, 3558 unique users, distributed over 106 channels. |
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| 04:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | heh, we're pos#2 after #debian |
| 04:44.28 | b-man | DocScrutinizer: btw, MohammadAG told me that you would be ticked if i re-wrote the overclock scripts in c and gave it a nice Qt-based GUI xDDDD |
| 04:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | and #meego > #kde, lol |
| 04:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I'd just shoot you to pluto :-( |
| 04:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 04:45.19 | b-man | lol |
| 04:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's hard to believe how many noobs don't get a single word of all the warnings attached to all the OC info and install pkgs |
| 04:47.40 | b-man | yeah |
| 04:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | Thanks Intel for giving OC the aura of leetness |
| 04:49.08 | b-man | i think 90% mostly skim over all the warnings lol |
| 04:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | and then they absolutely categorically refuse to accept it *could* do any harm - "duh, my desktop PC is OC'd since 2007, dude! no problems :-))))" |
| 04:50.40 | b-man | lol yup |
| 04:52.13 | b-man | i'll bet that you'll start seeing cases of people frying their devices by year's end |
| 04:52.51 | b-man | because they keep trying to push their devices past 1Ghz |
| 04:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | you'll never know, as they'll blame "the crappy apps in extras, segfaulting like mad" - not aware they fried the instruction decoder or pipeline or whatever |
| 04:53.50 | b-man | true |
| 04:55.04 | b-man | needs sleep -_- |
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| 04:55.24 | arachnist | hmm |
| 04:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | "booohooo, my N900 doesn't play any more vids. It used to work like a charm on 720p, and now: just black. I re-installed mplayer 57 times, no luck. HEEEELP! PLZ!" |
| 04:56.16 | arachnist | speaking of OC, in the old days cpus were much more overclockable without extreme measures |
| 04:56.27 | b-man | lol |
| 04:56.30 | microlith | not really |
| 04:56.37 | arachnist | like the Celeron 300MHz, A series |
| 04:56.46 | arachnist | or the athlon-xp 2500+ |
| 04:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | Z80-4MHz, I seem to remember I operated it @ 12 |
| 04:57.45 | microlith | iirc, 300a were probably just p3s that didn't make the cut in terms of cache |
| 04:57.47 | b-man | passes out - c ya guys tomorrow :) |
| 04:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 04:58.20 | konfoo | z80 eh, in what system |
| 04:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | custom |
| 04:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | selfbuilt |
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| 05:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, it was based on http://www.nascomhomepage.com/ |
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| 05:04.38 | konfoo | galaxy attack, awesome |
| 05:05.26 | konfoo | back in the day i had a friend with a sinclair z80, he couldnt afford any games, so i cobbled together space invaders for him |
| 05:05.38 | konfoo | i think we ran out of ram though (no highscores) |
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| 05:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, RAM was a bit of a nuisance, until I extended it to 128k cmos with proper buffering by a NiCad cell ;-D |
| 05:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | on Nascom-I |
| 05:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | later, when ZX81 became affordable, I had a 16k ram expansion always |
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| 05:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeeha, friggin PA oon my laptop has a lag of ~30min for the desktop event sounds :-P |
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| 05:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | well, I've seen lags of 2..3 days XP |
| 05:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart pulse audio for being utter crap |
| 05:22.13 | infobot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at pulse audio for being utter crap |
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| 05:42.32 | Dassu | anybody knows if qtnx is suppose to work with nomachine's nxserver or just with the freenx ? |
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| 05:53.40 | saddam | aint nobody here |
| 05:53.48 | Appiah | err what |
| 05:54.07 | saddam | why so quiet |
| 05:54.24 | Appiah | well in my timezone it's soon 8am |
| 05:54.50 | saddam | you in europe |
| 05:54.55 | Appiah | exactly |
| 05:55.11 | thresh | moroning |
| 05:55.25 | saddam | i kno |
| 05:57.28 | saddam | whos playin in world cup today? |
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| 05:59.56 | saddam | aint nobody kno? |
| 06:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | don't remind me it's 8'o |
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| 06:00.34 | thresh | saddam: i suppose google knows |
| 06:01.31 | saddam | why have IRC if every damn answer is on google? |
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| 06:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 06:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | /join #worldcup ! |
| 06:02.11 | saddam | haha |
| 06:02.27 | saddam | i kno....its off topic here |
| 06:03.22 | saddam | so.....any word on mego on n900??? |
| 06:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | /join #meego :-P |
| 06:03.54 | MohammadAG51 | /join 0 |
| 06:03.56 | MohammadAG51 | xP |
| 06:04.02 | saddam | haha yer funny |
| 06:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | moo mo |
| 06:04.18 | MohammadAG51 | (seriously, don't do that) |
| 06:04.18 | Appiah | saddam: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 |
| 06:04.31 | MohammadAG51 | moo DocScrutinizer |
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| 06:05.21 | MohammadAG51 | demo |
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| 06:05.26 | saddam | i read that topic it dont answer my question |
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| 06:06.46 | Appiah | what was the question .. any word? |
| 06:06.52 | Appiah | yes there are words on meego on n900 |
| 06:07.00 | Appiah | and that's the link |
| 06:07.02 | Appiah | with the word |
| 06:07.32 | Appiah | but there is another word.. I think everyone heard about it.. |
| 06:07.37 | Appiah | have you saddam ? |
| 06:07.40 | saddam | ok...i hope it happens dont wanna be stuck with old os |
| 06:07.47 | saddam | no |
| 06:08.07 | Appiah | A-well-a everybody's heard about the bird |
| 06:08.10 | Appiah | BIRD BIRD BIRD |
| 06:08.37 | saddam | da hell u talkin bout? |
| 06:08.49 | MohammadAG51 | he's a bit high, ignore him |
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| 06:09.25 | Appiah | =/ |
| 06:09.38 | MohammadAG51 | jk :) |
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| 06:10.36 | saddam | ovi store still sucking... no apps for n900 |
| 06:12.43 | Milo- | there are some |
| 06:12.46 | Milo- | but they are buggy |
| 06:14.08 | saddam | yeah....where can i download crack of the navigation app? forget the name now |
| 06:14.48 | luke-jr | saddam: you're obviously a Windows luser |
| 06:15.03 | saddam | no....why? |
| 06:15.14 | luke-jr | one thing the free software community tends to have in common is this: we take copyright infringement seriously |
| 06:15.35 | dotblank | but we hate the DMCA |
| 06:16.10 | saddam | on symbian all yous do is download cracks....nobody ever pay for nothing.....what bout maemo? |
| 06:16.14 | luke-jr | and what you just did is against FreeNode's policies and you could be K-lined for it |
| 06:16.24 | dotblank | saddam, there is nothing to crack |
| 06:16.35 | saddam | ok....sorry |
| 06:16.49 | luke-jr | saddam: 'cracks' are copyright infringement, illegal, and nothing we will support |
| 06:17.18 | saddam | ok but i thought this was open community |
| 06:17.32 | saddam | none this copyright bullshit |
| 06:17.35 | MohammadAG51 | it is an open community |
| 06:17.36 | luke-jr | and the 'open community' is opposed to copyright infringement |
| 06:17.52 | Wolfie | luke-jr: that's a harsh claim... they're frowned upon by the copyright owners, but i don't think cracks have anything to do with copyright |
| 06:17.58 | luke-jr | 99% of open source is copyrighted |
| 06:18.06 | dotblank | its a legally open community |
| 06:18.15 | nextime | saddam : the principle of the open community is to try to avoid copyrighted software, not so crack the copyrighted one |
| 06:18.15 | luke-jr | Wolfie: cracks generally have no purpose other than copyright infringement |
| 06:18.24 | MohammadAG51 | still, if there's good OSS, we wouldn't mind donating to the dev |
| 06:18.38 | Wolfie | luke-jr: true, but it doesn't still make them illegal |
| 06:18.41 | luke-jr | saddam: also, don't confuse free software with gratis software |
| 06:18.44 | luke-jr | Wolfie: DMCA |
| 06:18.47 | saddam | i got it all wrong then |
| 06:18.47 | Wolfie | luke-jr: it's like putting all p2p traffic into the illegal bin |
| 06:19.19 | gavin | nextime: "copyrighted software" is not the term you want - as luke-jr said, pretty much all free software is copyrighted |
| 06:19.23 | dotblank | well the DMCA prevents you from distributing apps that bypass an prevention mech.. like dvd playback |
| 06:19.34 | dotblank | not using it |
| 06:19.53 | luke-jr | saddam: we support charging money for software, though often we don't |
| 06:20.22 | saddam | just wanted to try the navigation app....ovi store dont have trial versions |
| 06:20.25 | MohammadAG51 | tbh I prefer free apps and donating to the dev over paid apps |
| 06:20.27 | Wolfie | besides, DMCA is nothing more than an US-specific impediment. I dont think it's fair to bring that up in a worldwide community |
| 06:20.36 | MohammadAG51 | there is a trial for sygic |
| 06:20.37 | Wolfie | but i'm afraid this will get off track, so i'll stop here |
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| 06:20.48 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: I prefer free apps, whether I pay for them or not |
| 06:20.51 | dotblank | I bought sygic |
| 06:21.11 | MohammadAG51 | I use google maps |
| 06:21.14 | dotblank | free is good very good |
| 06:21.28 | saddam | when is voice coming to ovi maps on n900 ? |
| 06:21.36 | dotblank | No idea |
| 06:21.48 | MohammadAG51 | nevar! |
| 06:21.50 | MohammadAG51 | :P |
| 06:22.07 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: Google Maps isn't free |
| 06:22.11 | saddam | fucken bullshit even cheap nokias have free navigation but n900 no |
| 06:22.30 | luke-jr | saddam: nonsense, there is no such thing as free navigation |
| 06:22.33 | dotblank | we should get a bunch of devs to help make a turn by turn navigation software with voice instructions on open street map |
| 06:22.46 | luke-jr | dotblank: I agree. Who can fund it? :p |
| 06:22.47 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, i barely use maps, IL doesn't need one |
| 06:23.01 | saddam | luke-jr: there is....what cha talkin bout |
| 06:23.12 | dotblank | I can donate my voice |
| 06:23.20 | dotblank | for the stupid american voice |
| 06:23.39 | luke-jr | saddam: you clearly have no idea what 'free' means |
| 06:23.46 | nextime | Wolfie : dmca is us only, i don't care about it. But cracking software is against not only dmca and laws, it is also unethic and unfair even if you are in a country with no copyright laws at all |
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| 06:24.12 | dotblank | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 06:24.17 | saddam | means i download shit to my fone and i dont pay nothing. aint that what free means? |
| 06:24.26 | Veggen | saddam: no. |
| 06:24.35 | luke-jr | nextime: I disagree with your last statement. Standard copyright is in fact unethical. Bypassing it, if legal, is fine by me. |
| 06:24.38 | dotblank | saddam, see my link |
| 06:24.40 | luke-jr | saddam: no |
| 06:24.47 | saddam | ???????? |
| 06:24.49 | luke-jr | saddam: that's what gratis means |
| 06:25.02 | luke-jr | 'free' means what you can do with it is unrestricted |
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| 06:25.39 | saddam | fuck this gratis shit....aint it the same as free? |
| 06:25.42 | luke-jr | saddam: even if you have to pay for it, software can still be free |
| 06:25.47 | dotblank | The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. |
| 06:25.51 | luke-jr | no, gratis is merely *free of charge* |
| 06:26.11 | nextime | luke-jr : right, but infranging copyright is uniethical too. The right way is to use copyleft and respect it :) |
| 06:26.13 | dotblank | h264 right now is gratis |
| 06:26.16 | luke-jr | "free of charge"/"gratis" is not important |
| 06:26.36 | luke-jr | nextime: copyright infringement is only unethical because it is illegal (and it is immoral to break the law) |
| 06:26.54 | gavin | I don't agree that it is immoral to break the law |
| 06:27.00 | dotblank | h264 is dangerous because when its no longer free... |
| 06:27.01 | luke-jr | gavin: it is. get over it. |
| 06:27.01 | gavin | there are some dumb laws :) |
| 06:27.05 | saddam | i asked a simple question and i get lectured on some legal mumbo jumbo shit....i just want free shit on my fone, fuck the tecnical shit |
| 06:27.14 | Veggen | mmm. Copyright is a trade-off between the public and the publishers, really. |
| 06:27.20 | nextime | luke-jr : so, in your opinion there is nothing wrong in infranging copyright in country where there is no copyright law? |
| 06:27.22 | gavin | I don't agree that it is *necessarily* immoral to break the law |
| 06:27.26 | luke-jr | saddam: I hope you get sued. |
| 06:27.31 | Veggen | That's something publishers today have forgotten, largely. |
| 06:27.36 | luke-jr | nextime: absolutely nothing wrong with it AFAIK |
| 06:27.38 | dotblank | saddam, You sir are on FREENODE the center of "free software" irc communication |
| 06:27.43 | saddam | for what? |
| 06:27.51 | luke-jr | saddam: for copyright infringement |
| 06:28.04 | saddam | i aint infridged nothing |
| 06:28.12 | luke-jr | saddam: you just seeked help in doing so |
| 06:28.16 | Veggen | saddam: Go somewhere else? Free software community in general don't care about pirating software. |
| 06:28.23 | saddam | ok sorry |
| 06:28.23 | luke-jr | I find it highly probable you have done so in the past. |
| 06:28.26 | nextime | luke-jr : my opinion is different. If we want respect for copyleft licenses, we need to respect also closed one, pushing the reasons to use only free one |
| 06:28.43 | Veggen | Since discovering free software/open source, I've hardly pirated anything the last 15 years. |
| 06:28.50 | dotblank | Veggen, same |
| 06:28.53 | luke-jr | nextime: my opinion is based on the immoral nature of copyright |
| 06:28.57 | dotblank | No need nowadays |
| 06:29.07 | luke-jr | nextime: also known as usury in more ancient times |
| 06:29.16 | Xisdibik | Veggen: do you like a good booty ? |
| 06:29.25 | saddam | but open software is often shit....the good stuff you gotta pay $$$ no? |
| 06:29.30 | dotblank | well we all sorta know its kinda broken right now... but its still the law |
| 06:29.39 | Xisdibik | saddam: thats not neccessarily true, and is open to personal opinion |
| 06:29.42 | luke-jr | saddam: you can pay $$$ for open source |
| 06:29.44 | thresh | trolling friday trolling |
| 06:29.45 | nextime | luke-jr : if usury can be translated in the manner i think, for me it is a very differentthing :) |
| 06:30.00 | luke-jr | saddam: all good software is by prerequisite open :) |
| 06:30.08 | dotblank | luke-jr, +1 |
| 06:30.21 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: +.5 |
| 06:30.25 | saddam | open often means bunch of tecno geeks putting shit together no? |
| 06:30.30 | luke-jr | nextime: usury is defined as charging for both the object, and the usage of the object; copyright does exactly that |
| 06:30.34 | Xisdibik | saddam: no |
| 06:30.42 | dotblank | saddam, um... sure... but google opened vp8 |
| 06:30.52 | luke-jr | saddam: and "tecno geeks" are the experts |
| 06:30.57 | dotblank | and several other huge companies support it |
| 06:31.06 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: not all experts are techno geeks though luke-jr |
| 06:31.07 | nextime | saddam : did you consider Sun or NASA a bunch of shit? |
| 06:31.16 | luke-jr | saddam: while we mostly all have jobs, most of the proprietary software industry is full of morons who write crappy code |
| 06:31.18 | nextime | they both produce a lot of open source software... |
| 06:31.33 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: example: microsoft? ;) |
| 06:31.40 | saddam | yeah and N800 users are still waitin for maemo |
| 06:31.41 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: exactly |
| 06:31.52 | luke-jr | saddam: Maemo is not open source |
| 06:31.53 | dotblank | Everyone has "their" propreitary system.. and everyone recreates the same thing |
| 06:32.07 | dotblank | seems wastefull to me |
| 06:32.35 | dotblank | when $$$ is not a motivator good things happen |
| 06:32.40 | saddam | i wont ask no more for cracks |
| 06:32.46 | luke-jr | dotblank: sometimes |
| 06:32.58 | luke-jr | when $$$ is not involved, people only write what fits their own needs |
| 06:33.15 | luke-jr | $$$ is needed if a non-programmer wants something unique |
| 06:33.20 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: simple, make someone need what you want ;) |
| 06:33.25 | luke-jr | heh |
| 06:33.38 | saddam | lets change topic.....why is nokia not giving a fuck about n900? |
| 06:33.41 | luke-jr | $$$ also gives us more time to work on stuff |
| 06:33.50 | Xisdibik | saddam: PR1.2 says otherwise |
| 06:33.55 | luke-jr | saddam: because N900 is just a toy experiment to Nokia, I guess |
| 06:33.57 | dotblank | well shall I change it to "primary" motivator |
| 06:34.16 | saddam | experiment???? that aint fair |
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| 06:34.28 | dotblank | n900 is for the techno-geeks |
| 06:34.37 | dotblank | IMO |
| 06:34.38 | luke-jr | saddam: I'll agree whole-heartedly if you have issues with Nokia's marketting |
| 06:34.41 | Xisdibik | dotblank: im not a techno geek and i have one :) |
| 06:34.53 | dotblank | Xisdibik, sure you are |
| 06:35.06 | dotblank | My definition of techno-geek is a glorious one |
| 06:35.10 | Xisdibik | dotblank: i sure am, and its still by far the best phone ive ever used |
| 06:35.23 | saddam | i have n900 and its the best fuckin fone out there....but why no love???? |
| 06:35.31 | luke-jr | it's not a phone |
| 06:35.43 | Xisdibik | Mobile Internet Device? :p |
| 06:35.45 | dotblank | people are too dumb to understand what "free" software really means |
| 06:36.07 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: "Internet Tablet" is the term Nokia uses |
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| 06:36.15 | luke-jr | "handheld" is the general category I put it in |
| 06:36.33 | Xisdibik | handsheld would be my general category |
| 06:36.37 | Xisdibik | since i typically use both hands ;) |
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| 06:36.52 | luke-jr | but you can hold it in one :p |
| 06:36.56 | dotblank | can't wait for Meego |
| 06:36.57 | Xisdibik | lies! |
| 06:37.03 | luke-jr | maybe not USE it |
| 06:37.04 | luke-jr | but HOLD it |
| 06:37.15 | Xisdibik | testing right now |
| 06:37.15 | Xisdibik | wait |
| 06:37.19 | luke-jr | lol |
| 06:37.26 | saddam | where is the dude that was gonna port freemantle to N800???? |
| 06:37.27 | Xisdibik | nope definitely took both hands to lift |
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| 06:37.32 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | mohammadAG-b: hola |
| 06:37.42 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: I lift my N810 with one hand all the time |
| 06:37.42 | Xisdibik | just teasin luke-jr |
| 06:37.47 | luke-jr | saddam: never happening |
| 06:37.50 | kenya888_ | Hi, again... |
| 06:37.58 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: i thought Mer was a real thing |
| 06:38.08 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: it was. keyword: was |
| 06:38.18 | Xisdibik | i see |
| 06:38.31 | nextime | Xisdibik : blame meego! |
| 06:38.31 | kenya888_ | plz let me know. Do you know how i can contact to debmaster, Mr. Jeremiah Foster? |
| 06:38.33 | luke-jr | Mer wasn't Fremantle, though |
| 06:38.56 | Xisdibik | i thought it was an attempt at getting alot of fremantles stuff into the older tablets |
| 06:39.14 | luke-jr | it was an attempt to make a free software OS based on the open bits of Maemo |
| 06:39.19 | luke-jr | including supporting N8x0 |
| 06:39.27 | Xisdibik | I see |
| 06:39.28 | saddam | i find 1.2 slowed my n900 down a bit....yous too? |
| 06:39.37 | dotblank | not really |
| 06:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | * mer is now known as meego |
| 06:39.48 | dotblank | My n900 performs much better with pr1.2 |
| 06:40.03 | dotblank | I get better 3g reception which is odd |
| 06:40.08 | luke-jr | I find saddam slowed my #maemo down a bit... yous too? |
| 06:40.09 | petteri | mine drops frames after 1.2, but works faster because of that |
| 06:40.50 | nextime | DocScrutinizer : uhmm is more precise to say "mer knoweledge is used in meego", cause meego is very different from mer, no? |
| 06:40.55 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: identity crisis? |
| 06:41.06 | saddam | it was suppose to fix shit not slow down things.....get yer shit together nokia |
| 06:41.17 | luke-jr | saddam: Nokia is (mostly) not here |
| 06:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: bouncer |
| 06:41.24 | dotblank | saddam, Are you a troll? |
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| 06:41.42 | saddam | i thought there were dudes here from nokia? |
| 06:41.57 | luke-jr | afaik just timeless_mbp, and he's idle |
| 06:42.05 | timeless_mbp | looks around |
| 06:42.08 | MohammadAG51 | there are others |
| 06:42.09 | luke-jr | or not |
| 06:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | moo timeless_mbp |
| 06:42.20 | timeless_mbp | ribbit |
| 06:42.24 | luke-jr | highlights lcuk for the heck of it |
| 06:42.37 | MohammadAG51 | bacon |
| 06:42.39 | saddam | how bout that quigil guy? |
| 06:42.49 | luke-jr | I don't think Quim goes on IRC |
| 06:42.55 | luke-jr | not often at least |
| 06:42.59 | konfoo | what is it with the trolls.. the n900 seems to draw them like moths to the proverbial flame |
| 06:43.02 | dotblank | yea IRC is a madhouse |
| 06:43.05 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, seen qgil |
| 06:43.07 | infobot | qgil <~qgil@a88-112-27-165.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 78d 10h 53m 41s ago, saying: 'ever'. |
| 06:43.07 | Stskeeps | he comes to the meego channels usually |
| 06:43.13 | Stskeeps | or meetings |
| 06:43.18 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: shh |
| 06:43.27 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, usually = 78d? :) |
| 06:43.46 | saddam | they dont care about maemo or n900 |
| 06:43.51 | dotblank | Everyone nows mailing lists are the serious buisness |
| 06:43.54 | luke-jr | saddam: nope. get over it. |
| 06:44.09 | konfoo | saddam please. shut the hell up. |
| 06:44.14 | luke-jr | lol |
| 06:44.22 | konfoo | qgil is probably on another european vacation |
| 06:44.25 | Xisdibik | luke-jr + konfoo +1 |
| 06:44.30 | saddam | konfoo: angry....are we? |
| 06:44.41 | Xisdibik | tired of you more like it saddam |
| 06:44.41 | konfoo | tired of dimwits |
| 06:44.47 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: i think the key problem is that people are speaking to him as a employee and not a community member/person.. makes chat uncomfortable |
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| 06:45.05 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, I see |
| 06:45.09 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: that's what aliases are for? |
| 06:45.19 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: generally those don't last |
| 06:45.19 | dotblank | I wish people didn't tell me who worked for nokia |
| 06:45.21 | dotblank | gah |
| 06:45.31 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: you've tried, I see? XD |
| 06:45.37 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, so remind me again, you're not working at nokia? |
| 06:45.38 | saddam | if i remember he was full of shit....first said mego on n900 then changed his mind.... |
| 06:45.41 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: then don't visit the maemo.org/profile/list |
| 06:45.44 | dotblank | Everyone in here im sure has helped me out at least a dozen times |
| 06:45.59 | luke-jr | dotblank: I have? |
| 06:46.00 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: i'm not an employee |
| 06:46.04 | Xisdibik | when did I help you dotblank ? :P |
| 06:46.05 | dotblank | luke-jr, yup |
| 06:46.05 | timeless_mbp | dotblank: you're thanking 400 people? :) |
| 06:46.11 | konfoo | ha |
| 06:46.14 | dotblank | Yes |
| 06:46.25 | luke-jr | dotblank: even ChanServ? |
| 06:46.28 | dotblank | ive been in this channel since December |
| 06:46.28 | timeless_mbp | very appreciative of you, good attitude |
| 06:46.34 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: oh, chanserv is helpful |
| 06:46.34 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: 400? I see 507 |
| 06:46.46 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i'm too lazy to read the right side of my window |
| 06:46.50 | Xisdibik | 107 of them dont count luke-jr |
| 06:47.01 | dotblank | seriously I asked how to reset the tracker and BAM! in like 2 secs I got an answer |
| 06:47.04 | luke-jr | true, we can't thank saddam |
| 06:47.09 | timeless_mbp | ⦠chanserv is very useful, especially when it adds moderation against flood attacks |
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| 06:47.17 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, trackerrest |
| 06:47.18 | timeless_mbp | ⦠or when it ops someone who then whacks a spammer |
| 06:47.23 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, trackerreset |
| 06:47.24 | infobot | rumour has it, trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal |
| 06:47.28 | dotblank | or like how the ringtones are chached |
| 06:47.28 | Xisdibik | dotblank: generally my help comes from about 10-15 core people here |
| 06:47.28 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: tel: ? |
| 06:47.29 | saddam | funny when i came here they told me to google shit....that aint helpful |
| 06:47.30 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: never seen ChanServ do anything useful against flooding |
| 06:47.34 | dotblank | suggestion on building packages |
| 06:47.37 | dotblank | porting apps |
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| 06:47.42 | luke-jr | saddam: try Bing then |
| 06:47.43 | Xisdibik | time, luke and sts are among thost |
| 06:47.45 | konfoo | wow 508 people. i never did a /names to check until now |
| 06:47.45 | Xisdibik | those* |
| 06:47.55 | MohammadAG51 | timeless_mbp, not now :) |
| 06:47.59 | timeless_mbp | ok :) |
| 06:48.10 | dotblank | I asked for a port of VLC in here |
| 06:48.18 | saddam | yer funny |
| 06:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-17 20:34:40] [Notify] qgil ist online (irc.freenode.org). |
| 06:48.32 | dotblank | and I spent about 3 hours working with him building it over gtalk/jingle |
| 06:48.43 | dotblank | and he got it done |
| 06:48.48 | dotblank | that is indeed awesome |
| 06:49.01 | ds3 | GRRRRRRRRRR... the N900's battery charing setup blows chunks |
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| 06:49.11 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: happen to know any app that can do video chat between Mac and Linux? |
| 06:49.13 | Xisdibik | ds3: how so? |
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| 06:49.27 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: hrm |
| 06:49.31 | timeless_mbp | google talk doesn't work? |
| 06:49.32 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: on the n900 or in general? |
| 06:49.35 | kenya888_ | Sorry, again. plz let me know. Do you know how i can contact to debmaster, Mr. Jeremiah Foster? |
| 06:49.41 | Stskeeps | kenya888_: he left the job |
| 06:49.45 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: in theory if your video camera is friendly |
| 06:49.46 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Google Talk doesn't exist for Linux... and I don't think Mac either |
| 06:49.49 | timeless_mbp | and flash supports it |
| 06:49.53 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: general |
| 06:49.57 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: google talk is a flash based thing :) |
| 06:49.57 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: skype :P |
| 06:50.03 | ds3 | that PoS can't boot at all if there is low battery or missing battery even with an AC adapter |
| 06:50.04 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: ... no flash |
| 06:50.06 | kenya888_ | Stskeeps, Really? who is the debmaster now? |
| 06:50.10 | dotblank | luke-jr, im google talk is a xmpp/jabber implementation soo... linux I knows works with it |
| 06:50.11 | luke-jr | no skype either -.- |
| 06:50.23 | pigeon | luke-jr: there's also oovoo |
| 06:50.25 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: why, skype exists in both |
| 06:50.31 | konfoo | oovoo is a pile |
| 06:50.33 | luke-jr | dotblank: yes, but I don't know any Jingle+video implementations for either platform |
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| 06:50.37 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: it's proprietary |
| 06:50.45 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: oh, you didnt say open ;P |
| 06:50.49 | pigeon | oh, then scratch oovoo too then. |
| 06:50.53 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: that's a given when talking to me :) |
| 06:50.59 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: im not sure for MAC, but Ekiga? |
| 06:51.03 | luke-jr | I don't use proprietary software, period. :p |
| 06:51.03 | dotblank | Empathy works with video chat |
| 06:51.09 | dotblank | on linux |
| 06:51.15 | konfoo | tin cans & string? |
| 06:51.25 | Stskeeps | kenya888_: noone |
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| 06:51.39 | luke-jr | konfoo: I don't have source for tin cans |
| 06:51.40 | MohammadAG51 | i wanted to compile empathy but.... gtk is old on maemo |
| 06:51.44 | dotblank | I tested it liek yesterday |
| 06:51.45 | MohammadAG51 | o/ frals_ |
| 06:51.49 | frals_ | o/ |
| 06:51.56 | konfoo | luke: you will after you eat the baked beans |
| 06:51.58 | dotblank | google talk works fine on the n900 |
| 06:52.08 | dotblank | why is this an issue |
| 06:52.14 | dotblank | with video + jingle |
| 06:52.20 | Xisdibik | jingle? |
| 06:52.22 | konfoo | i think the macintrash is the issue, no? |
| 06:52.24 | kenya888_ | Stskeeps, oops... thanks. I'd like to contact autobuilder admin. who is proper person, do you know? |
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| 06:52.31 | timeless_mbp | so, there's X-Lite |
| 06:52.34 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade |
| 06:52.45 | timeless_mbp | and Blink/Zoipper for OS X |
| 06:53.03 | timeless_mbp | if you're trying to do standard video protocols based on SIP |
| 06:53.11 | timeless_mbp | in theory this stuff can/should work |
| 06:53.14 | luke-jr | ! |
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| 06:53.18 | timeless_mbp | but the last time someone tried to demo it |
| 06:53.21 | timeless_mbp | it failed |
| 06:53.21 | dotblank | empathy works with sip |
| 06:53.29 | luke-jr | ponders if Asterisk could handle video |
| 06:53.48 | timeless_mbp | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+video |
| 06:54.16 | dotblank | is there even a traditional video telephony network |
| 06:54.25 | dotblank | like from carrier to carrier |
| 06:54.31 | konfoo | no |
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| 06:54.41 | dotblank | well that needs fixing |
| 06:54.46 | konfoo | speaking as a carrier - no |
| 06:55.00 | konfoo | although, depends on what level of service you're providing as a 'carrier' |
| 06:55.01 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: any ideas for 1.2? :P |
| 06:55.01 | timeless_mbp | why? |
| 06:55.09 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: 1.2 of what? |
| 06:55.13 | luke-jr | Asteris |
| 06:55.22 | timeless_mbp | i think you should upgrade to 1.4.x :) |
| 06:55.31 | luke-jr | too scared to XD |
| 06:55.38 | luke-jr | Digium broke 1.2 with 1.2.19 or so |
| 06:55.43 | luke-jr | so I have to stick to 1.2.18 :( |
| 06:55.44 | timeless_mbp | stage a beta deployment? |
| 06:55.44 | frals_ | lcuk: did you ever finish that 'clone device' stuff so it would be easy to get 2 devices exactly the same? :p |
| 06:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: screw x-lite |
| 06:55.49 | luke-jr | maybe |
| 06:56.10 | dotblank | gah telephony equipment costs too much |
| 06:56.15 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: you have something better? i'm open to suggestions |
| 06:56.15 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: whats your end goal with the video chat? |
| 06:56.16 | dotblank | its insaine |
| 06:56.28 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: talk to my wife |
| 06:56.31 | timeless_mbp | anyway, relying on traditional phone companies for video call support is stupid |
| 06:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: for SIP on linux? sure |
| 06:56.43 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: on osx |
| 06:56.44 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: just use a proprietary one until an open one comes along thats simple imho |
| 06:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 06:56.53 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: I don't use proprietary software. |
| 06:57.17 | dotblank | I was a cisco voice engineer |
| 06:57.21 | dotblank | ughs |
| 06:57.22 | luke-jr | anyone tried http://www.qutecom.org/ ? |
| 06:57.23 | Xisdibik | does that mean you dont have an n900? :) |
| 06:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | there've been some attempts to port twinkle for OSX. Seems some lib always blew chunks, but it should be feasible |
| 06:57.29 | konfoo | dotblank: my condolences |
| 06:57.30 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: sure don't. |
| 06:57.38 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: what phone do u have? |
| 06:57.43 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: none |
| 06:57.49 | konfoo | dotblank: are you the one i should hold responsible for this pile of crap cisco voip system we have? |
| 06:58.01 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: maybe you should look into a phone so u can call your wife ;) |
| 06:58.05 | dotblank | I worked for a cisco partner |
| 06:58.07 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: why? |
| 06:58.17 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: ok, fine, I do have a phone |
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| 06:58.25 | Xisdibik | luke-jr: ha truth found:P |
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| 06:58.32 | luke-jr | some GE thing |
| 06:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: ...as michel de Boer (original author of twinkle) was very strict on keeping it platform independent |
| 06:58.36 | dotblank | but omg... they have unity running on windows boxes |
| 06:58.38 | konfoo | unified systems 500.. biggest pile i have seen in a while |
| 06:58.42 | luke-jr | uses RJ11 etc |
| 06:58.43 | Xisdibik | sounds proprietary luke-jr ;) |
| 06:58.44 | dotblank | I hate unity |
| 06:58.52 | luke-jr | Xisdibik: sounds CPUless |
| 06:59.03 | dotblank | I hate presence server |
| 06:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: that's why the cli interface uses a named pipe instead of d-bus |
| 06:59.18 | konfoo | thankfully i dont have to deal with it |
| 06:59.49 | dotblank | we lost quite a lot of buisness to linux users implementing asterisks in schools |
| 06:59.58 | konfoo | but i did like the way they swore up and down to not use the shell and use the 'gui'.. which resulted in the entire system going to crap cause it basically overwrites all your settings with it's 'defaults' |
| 06:59.58 | dotblank | and this is in america |
| 07:00.01 | dotblank | crazy |
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| 07:00.39 | dotblank | the shell is so much better |
| 07:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: if you're interested, twinkle is going 'community' this very moment |
| 07:00.59 | dotblank | but what got me really angry were undocumented ios commands for debugging callerid |
| 07:01.17 | konfoo | twinkle is what my dog does in a corner |
| 07:01.32 | dotblank | and they worst thing is cisco's bug reporting tool |
| 07:01.41 | timeless_mbp | is already resource overstretched |
| 07:01.42 | dotblank | it is beyond horrible |
| 07:01.48 | konfoo | dotblank: can we stop this depressing conversation |
| 07:01.58 | MohammadAG51 | I still think IRC should be improved |
| 07:02.08 | dotblank | konfoo, sure |
| 07:02.11 | konfoo | you cant improve perfection |
| 07:02.13 | MohammadAG51 | add voice chat by converting it into ascii xP |
| 07:02.15 | konfoo | dotblank excellent :) |
| 07:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | konfoo: ?? |
| 07:02.51 | luke-jr | I think I like QuteCom so far |
| 07:02.55 | luke-jr | at least in theory |
| 07:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict twinkle |
| 07:02.58 | dotblank | they should have an irc with a whiteboard but only opps or a special write flag to users permitted to use it |
| 07:03.04 | dotblank | ops* |
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| 07:03.16 | konfoo | aww |
| 07:03.24 | konfoo | my definition holds |
| 07:03.30 | konfoo | ;) |
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| 07:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | you got a strange dog, konfoo |
| 07:03.47 | konfoo | that i do |
| 07:03.53 | luke-jr | minus the libpurple dep :( |
| 07:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | twinkle twinkle little star |
| 07:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/start/dog/ for konfoo's kids |
| 07:04.35 | konfoo | they have diapers for that |
| 07:04.59 | konfoo | hey its late, and i have spent the day deep in erlang. have some sympathy |
| 07:05.06 | dotblank | What distros are you all using? |
| 07:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | suggestes to konfoo he should run a memtest on his wetware |
| 07:05.58 | dotblank | just started using arch and now im very fond of it |
| 07:06.28 | konfoo | wakka wakka? |
| 07:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | ouch that's worse than we thought |
| 07:07.07 | konfoo | the fact that he's using arch? |
| 07:07.15 | konfoo | or my lame pacman impersonation |
| 07:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | see where erlang get your mind, children :-P |
| 07:07.42 | konfoo | haha indeed |
| 07:07.55 | luke-jr | either erlang sucks, or ejabberd makes a bad example <.< |
| 07:08.34 | konfoo | ive not used ejabberd but i did try to install it once (went with openfire) and it was a little too cryptic |
| 07:09.10 | luke-jr | I don't know why, but I seem to like ejabberd |
| 07:09.13 | luke-jr | despite the problems it gives me |
| 07:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | church of emacs? |
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| 07:10.05 | luke-jr | ... |
| 07:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | eighty megbytes and constantly swapping |
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| 07:10.34 | luke-jr | Supybot by far uses the most RAM on my server |
| 07:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | (used to be eight in former days) |
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| 07:11.16 | luke-jr | 168 MB |
| 07:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | but that's the nice thing with ETLAs, you can adapt them to the needs |
| 07:11.21 | dotblank | wow someone in ubuntu-offtopic found this gem |
| 07:11.21 | dotblank | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM |
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| 07:11.46 | luke-jr | ejabberd is only 50 MB |
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| 07:17.22 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer Ð²Ñ Ð³ ÑмÑк ÑдÑÑз, |
| 07:17.28 | ZogG | do you ever sleep? |
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| 07:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | constantly |
| 07:17.56 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i think you and MohammadAG51 are cyborgs |
| 07:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | now that's funny: |
| 07:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~x ru en Ð²Ñ Ð³ ÑмÑк ÑдÑÑз |
| 07:19.51 | ZogG | failbot |
| 07:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 07:20.05 | ZogG | as well as it';s gebbrish in russian too |
| 07:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~x de en infobot du bist eine kuh |
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| 07:29.34 | maki_ | !help |
| 07:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | ¿what |
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| 07:31.27 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 07:31.58 | ZogG | meh |
| 07:34.05 | tekojo | morning Stskeeps! |
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| 07:34.25 | Stskeeps | morn tekojo |
| 07:34.39 | tekojo | Stskeeps: coffee? |
| 07:34.43 | Stskeeps | tekojo: sure |
| 07:35.04 | tekojo | danielwilms: want to join for coffee? |
| 07:35.27 | danielwilms | tekojo hehe...sure |
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| 07:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell konfoo about twinkle |
| 07:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 07:49.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:49.56 | MohammadAG51 | Morning Jaffa |
| 07:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | mo jaffa |
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| 08:18.17 | ZogG | tekojo i would liek coffee too please =) |
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| 08:26.40 | tekojo | starts wondering how much it costs to send coffee around the world |
| 08:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | depends on temperature you want it to keep |
| 08:27.20 | Lullen | whats wrong with my changelog? error: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/qexercise_0.1-2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 08:27.32 | Lullen | qexercise (0.1-2) unstable; urgency=low |
| 08:27.32 | Lullen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.32 | Lullen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.40 | Lullen | is the changelog file |
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| 08:50.45 | lcuk | tekojo, sending the coffee isnt expensive - its the personal butler to hold the cup and keep it stirred and hot during the journey that is :D |
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| 08:52.33 | frals_ | slaps lcuk |
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| 08:52.47 | lcuk | morning frals_ \o |
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| 08:52.52 | frals_ | mornin o/ |
| 08:52.58 | frals_ | did you see what i asked you above? |
| 08:52.58 | lcuk | and no, i didnt do a clone service |
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| 08:53.03 | frals_ | ok :D |
| 08:53.39 | lcuk | its also a bit infeasible for large quantities but can be done with ssh |
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| 08:54.08 | frals_ | just need it for my 2 devices pretty much.. guess i could do with backup/restore app |
| 08:54.12 | lcuk | it will be interesting to see if usb host mode could allow it to happen |
| 08:54.29 | lcuk | yeah but you miss everything in mydocs |
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| 08:55.03 | frals_ | hmm |
| 08:55.38 | frals_ | can you modify backuprestore app to include stuff like that? |
| 08:55.56 | achipa | X-Fade: it... just... keeps... on... coming... back :) the frenzy thing, I mean |
| 08:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | rsync? |
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| 08:59.09 | crashanddie | frals_: you could modify the PC Suite scripts to enable usb networking automagically, and then launch an rsynch after a few minutes |
| 08:59.25 | ag0ny | Where is the file that keeps the information about where the desktop icons are placed? |
| 08:59.50 | ZogG | frals_ you are working on maemo/meego in Nokia - right? |
| 09:00.12 | frals_ | crashanddie: alright, ill look in to that, thanks :) |
| 09:01.02 | crashanddie | ag0ny: /usr/share/applications/hildon/? |
| 09:02.26 | ZogG | frals_ ? |
| 09:02.38 | ag0ny | crashanddie: and what is it called? |
| 09:02.49 | crashanddie | ag0ny: eh? |
| 09:03.01 | crashanddie | ag0ny: I don't know, Philip? Roger? Alex? |
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| 09:03.10 | ag0ny | crashanddie: Hm... |
| 09:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | .desktop maybe? |
| 09:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | Philip.desktop |
| 09:03.52 | ag0ny | in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ there are a lot of .desktop files |
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| 09:04.12 | frals_ | ZogG: yes i work for nokia. |
| 09:04.30 | ag0ny | but none of these contains information about where the icon is placed |
| 09:04.44 | ag0ny | instead they container info about the name/icon /exec things |
| 09:04.46 | ZogG | frals_ i know, i already told you my congrats, i just wonder if you work on maemo/meego specificly or not |
| 09:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny: you got a point there |
| 09:05.32 | ZogG | and the second question - doest it mean your apps would be more integrated in amemo as you work and have more access to OS |
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| 09:06.33 | ag0ny | DocScrutinizer: There must (as far as I can imagine) be a file that holds information about where the icons are placed on the desktops |
| 09:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | aah, yes |
| 09:07.06 | I4U | Hello, I'm trying to activate hid. |
| 09:07.12 | I4U | I open xterminal |
| 09:07.20 | I4U | I can't find an editor. |
| 09:07.28 | I4U | to open main.conf |
| 09:07.45 | ag0ny | DocScrutinizer: But where and what is it called? (I want to configure my desktops within this file, as placing icons precicesly (sp?) is a bit problematic) |
| 09:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | you could enable gridsnap in tweakr |
| 09:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | but there of course has to be a file to edit plain text the icon pos on the 4 desktops |
| 09:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | alas I don't know offhand |
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| 09:09.15 | ag0ny | DocScrutinizer: ok, so I am at least not fully dumb :D |
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| 09:10.46 | I4U | Hello again! just a very basic information: what command in xterminal to edit a text file? |
| 09:10.59 | Scelt | nano |
| 09:11.10 | I4U | Thanks scelt! |
| 09:11.14 | Scelt | np! |
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| 09:13.14 | I4U | Xterminal isn't cooperative: "nano: command not found" |
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| 09:16.18 | ZogG | I4U apt-get install nano |
| 09:18.46 | I4U | ZogG, things are so simple with the right tip! |
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| 09:19.23 | ZogG | I4U as maemo is small on phone - some progs are not included |
| 09:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny: if you got bad luck, then those are stored in gconf |
| 09:22.11 | Dassu | anybody here using qtnx? Seems like even the keyboard doesn't work |
| 09:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: any idea where the desktop icons/widgets positions are stored? |
| 09:23.00 | timeless_mbp | not offhand |
| 09:23.07 | timeless_mbp | but strace is your friend |
| 09:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 09:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'd probably prefer find |
| 09:23.28 | sejo | did someone here test the android on n900 |
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| 09:24.30 | ag0ny | DocScrutinizer: I used tweakr and the grid :D |
| 09:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeeewww |
| 09:24.37 | ag0ny | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the hint |
| 09:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 09:28.54 | I4U | After installing nano, xterminal said: "apt-get -f install to correct unmet dependencies. It proposes to install ussd4all. I accept and receive the message: "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/ussd4all_0.0.1armel.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). What is to be done? |
| 09:29.15 | lcuk | apt-get install coffee |
| 09:29.31 | I4U | coffee? |
| 09:30.19 | I4U | If I try to use nano: "not found"! |
| 09:31.47 | lcuk | I4U, i wasnt answering your point initially, i am trying to get more coffee to start the day. so try removing ussd perhaps or rerun apt-get update and apt-get -f install |
| 09:32.22 | lcuk | its possible you have some dodgy repositories listed which are getting your dependencies screwed up |
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| 09:32.29 | Dassu | Hmm, qtnx seems to be pretty buggy. Keyboard doesn't work, the remote desktop window only opens if the settings has been alterned during same session. O_o.... Guessing that keyboard could be gotten to work on a user level but with the window problem no hope shall I have |
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| 09:32.54 | Dassu | no real fullscreen :/ |
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| 09:34.35 | pancake | how can I disable the pre-loading screenshot "feature" of pr1.2? |
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| 09:35.55 | ZogG | I4U klemme get my n900 |
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| 09:39.16 | pancake | is this implemented in the window manager? |
| 09:39.21 | pancake | where the pics are stored? |
| 09:39.33 | I4U | ZogG: klemme? I don't understantd. |
| 09:40.40 | ZogG | lemee |
| 09:40.42 | ZogG | lemme* |
| 09:40.45 | ZogG | let me =)) |
| 09:41.15 | I4U | OK ;) |
| 09:45.09 | pancake | can somebody hear me? |
| 09:45.59 | lcuk | pancake, afaik its upto applications to take their own snapshot |
| 09:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | pancake: hear yes. understand no |
| 09:46.11 | lcuk | and MohammadAG51 knows the folder, i cant remember where it is |
| 09:46.27 | pancake | lcuk: so, how can I disable this feature in the mail client? |
| 09:46.29 | I4U | ZogG, I uninstall ussd-widget. Reinstall nano with the message: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 09:46.42 | lcuk | pancake, patch the mail client |
| 09:46.52 | pancake | at which offset? :) |
| 09:47.15 | lcuk | i dunno, source is available tho ;) no need to be a barbarian, we have compilers |
| 09:47.54 | lcuk | but how about you start by explaining your problem with it |
| 09:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | pancake: maybe creating a 0 length 'image' file and set it chmod u-w might do the trick |
| 09:48.09 | lcuk | since its obviously there and used by many people |
| 09:48.14 | ZogG | I4U oh, sorry, i rebooted phone (actually only turned off) and forgot about you. let me turn it on and try to install, i did it on pr 1.1.1 as i remmeber |
| 09:48.25 | pancake | well. its a pity to get wrong application UI while it's loading |
| 09:48.45 | lcuk | pancake, can you take screenshots and check if theres a bug against it |
| 09:48.49 | pancake | so you get not.updated.app.ui->screenshot->real.app.ui |
| 09:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | pancake: resp chown root && chmod go-w |
| 09:49.00 | pancake | lcuk: i should record a video to demonstrate it |
| 09:49.10 | pancake | but its quite anoying to try to click on stuff that it's not there |
| 09:49.12 | lcuk | pancake, whatever as long as its short |
| 09:49.27 | pancake | lcuk: where's the screenshot? |
| 09:49.32 | pancake | is checking the source |
| 09:49.51 | pancake | i can fix it with LD_PRELOAD |
| 09:49.54 | I4U | ZogG, I'm on PR1.2 |
| 09:49.58 | ZogG | me too |
| 09:50.02 | pancake | hildon_gtk_window_take_screenshot |
| 09:50.04 | ZogG | I4U, i installed it |
| 09:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | we had this question "where are the screenshots" maybe 24h ago in this chan |
| 09:50.13 | lcuk | pancake, id rather see the problem before trying to hack something to it |
| 09:50.14 | ZogG | and had an error at the end, but it works =) |
| 09:50.30 | pancake | lcuk: do you use modest? |
| 09:50.32 | lcuk | if indeed its a bug i'd rather do something more than a hack |
| 09:50.55 | pancake | lcuk: i want a hack for testing, will report issue with a patch |
| 09:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how can it be a 'bug' when the app is showing a misleading screenshot while it loads? |
| 09:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 09:51.43 | pancake | modest_account_view_set_show_last_update() weird method name :) |
| 09:52.15 | pancake | i can certainly fix this in binary easily than setting up the development environment |
| 09:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'd replace the 'scrennshot' image by a photo of a turtle, and set that readonly |
| 09:52.50 | pancake | i like turtles |
| 09:52.54 | I4U | ZogG, I just ran "nano /etc/bluetooth/main.conf" without result. But with "nano" alone, it runs! Everything OK! Big thanks and nice day! |
| 09:53.12 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, of course it can be. pancake no. |
| 09:53.25 | ZogG | I4U, maybe you need to be root to do it, as well try with -w flag |
| 09:53.33 | lcuk | pancake, when you say its wrong, what is it actually showing |
| 09:53.49 | lcuk | (the part about pictures being worth 1000 words |
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| 09:54.10 | pancake | a screenshot saying that there are no accounts configured |
| 09:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: AIUI a non working fake set of buttones and other widgets |
| 09:54.27 | pancake | or new mails in inbox, but this changes when updated |
| 09:54.32 | pancake | so this should be removed |
| 09:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | replaced by a turtle |
| 09:54.58 | pancake | its doing more things than the necesary ones, its confusing the user and showing outdated information |
| 09:54.59 | eitama | Sigh! I want to upload my up to devel, and the request to upload is not coming ): |
| 09:55.26 | lcuk | ok "wrong application ui" made me think it was showing stuff from the wrong application |
| 09:55.30 | pancake | Tells the window manager to take a screenshot of window, or to destroy the existing one. window must be mapped. |
| 09:55.33 | lcuk | its outdated and not being refreshed |
| 09:55.41 | pancake | how is the window manager supossed to take a screenshot? |
| 09:55.42 | I4U | I was root. But you're right: it runs with -w flag. Thanks again. |
| 09:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | honestly that's a really fool's idea to do that screenshot shit |
| 09:56.02 | pancake | its a copy from apple |
| 09:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 09:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-((( |
| 09:56.10 | pancake | but apple people are smart enought to do it right |
| 09:56.17 | lcuk | pancake, its possible the screenshots have been chowned to root perhaps |
| 09:56.26 | lcuk | so they arent being updated |
| 09:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | heh, so exactly what I suggested :-P |
| 09:57.31 | eitama | Guys, anyone knows the Qt Command to check if a contact is "!gsmContact" ? |
| 09:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to never ever update to friggin 1.2 |
| 09:58.37 | eitama | Has PR1.2 and is very happy. |
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| 09:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | I have 1.1.1 and really don't miss anything that I'd know 1.2 is delivering |
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| 09:59.57 | ortiga | hi |
| 10:00.25 | lcuk | eitama, mm potentially better to ask in #qt-maemo |
| 10:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | tbh it seems 1.2 isn't fixing a single one of the things I'd like to see fixed, but introduces lots of regressions and idiotic new things |
| 10:00.44 | ZogG | I4U np =) |
| 10:00.51 | lcuk | is very happy with pr1.2 :) |
| 10:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: so what was it that actually improved for you with 1.2? |
| 10:02.14 | lcuk | space. lots of space :) mainly because i personally had hand in doing it |
| 10:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
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| 10:04.11 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, wiping off a big chunk of the reported bugs was major benefit |
| 10:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | to me it seems like space is sth I easily get as much as I ever need when I implement a decent partitioning and move all the /var and /usr shit out of NAND |
| 10:04.32 | pancake | uhmj maybe its in ~/.cache/launch/*modest |
| 10:05.08 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, then come up with a plan thats reproducable and maintainable and that can be retroactively fitted to all machines |
| 10:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | but alas I'm left behind with 1.1.1 now, as none of the apps will install anymore |
| 10:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: these plans are long existing, proven to work, and only problem is next update will fsck up your system as Nokia won't adopt any of those schemes |
| 10:07.09 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: sadly the system needs access to your theme in its play dead modes |
| 10:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | so evidentally Nokia missed another opportunity to sanitize optification BS, with 1.2 |
| 10:07.26 | timeless_mbp | so you can't simply move /usr off of the rootfs |
| 10:07.44 | ZogG | lcuk: i was pissed off of pr1.2, cause i waited for things i didn't get =) |
| 10:08.31 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: were they promised/ |
| 10:08.40 | ZogG | timeless_mbp yes |
| 10:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: WHAT? play_dead needs /usr and hasn't mounted eMMC? |
| 10:08.45 | ZogG | bugfixes =) |
| 10:08.46 | eitama | lcuk, thanks (: |
| 10:08.57 | ZogG | they even were marked as fixed =) |
| 10:09.03 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: i'm pretty sure we delivered a couple of those :) |
| 10:09.10 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: sounds right |
| 10:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's errrr, so ODD |
| 10:09.24 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: there's a message saying that your n900 is charged |
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| 10:09.42 | DrIDK | How can I launch from xterminal the mediaplayer ? |
| 10:09.44 | timeless_mbp | and a message saying that you have insufficient voltage iirc |
| 10:09.46 | ZogG | timeless_mbp the play resume bug is really, but really unforgivable |
| 10:09.49 | timeless_mbp | there's also the alarm clock |
| 10:09.52 | DrIDK | What's the name of application |
| 10:10.09 | ZogG | DrIDK you can run it from desctop and than check in top the name |
| 10:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: fine, fine. But why can't you have access to eMMC partitions at that time |
| 10:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 10:11.05 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: having things mounted when the battery is likely to be randomly unplugged? |
| 10:11.09 | timeless_mbp | not a great idea |
| 10:11.18 | timeless_mbp | and mounting it isn't cheap |
| 10:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | is the VDD voltage for eMMC switched off or what? |
| 10:11.30 | timeless_mbp | mount can imply fsck |
| 10:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | bah, |
| 10:11.40 | timeless_mbp | if you want to *quickly* show a message, or an alarm |
| 10:11.41 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, themes are optified by default.. |
| 10:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | mount RO |
| 10:11.44 | timeless_mbp | you can't wait for it |
| 10:11.52 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: which results in disasters :) |
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| 10:12.12 | lcuk | nb# ? |
| 10:12.17 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 10:12.21 | timeless_mbp | dunno offhand |
| 10:12.25 | alterego | Anyone else noticed how ridiculously slow microb auto complete for uri locations when you've visited a fair few sites :/ just had to clear browsing history to make it not stall when typing in a new location ... :( |
| 10:12.25 | timeless_mbp | shouldn't be too hard to find |
| 10:12.27 | frals_ | nb's lcuk |
| 10:12.27 | pancake | yeah chmod 000 ~/.cache/launch fixes my issue |
| 10:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | we can't sanitize optification cause we screwed with themes? not a sane rationale |
| 10:12.55 | DrIDK | Is it possible to open rtsp in mediaplayer ? |
| 10:13.04 | timeless_mbp | alterego: it's known :( |
| 10:13.04 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, also, in those act dead states - doesnt the mmc get mounted for usb |
| 10:13.41 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: it shouldn't be mounted unless there's actually power from the host and a real host |
| 10:13.47 | timeless_mbp | and that's the fat volume |
| 10:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | if play_dead needs something from /usr then that's a elementary bug, nothing else. As /usr per definitionem is an optional directory/resource for a minimal system |
| 10:14.05 | timeless_mbp | i don't think we would need to mount /home for that |
| 10:14.19 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: did we say we were bug free? |
| 10:14.22 | timeless_mbp | play dead uses X |
| 10:14.27 | timeless_mbp | X is optional |
| 10:14.30 | timeless_mbp | next? |
| 10:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | MFG |
| 10:15.08 | timeless_mbp | oh cute, /usr/share/themes is a symlink to opt |
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| 10:16.02 | ZogG | jon lajoie is great =) |
| 10:16.35 | ZogG | ".. and i'm pretty good in making paper plains..." |
| 10:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | the three stooges building a phone - something another vice boss of another company said about what the sw and EE development looked like. I just get a deja vu |
| 10:17.23 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line22 |
| 10:17.40 | lcuk | i know exactly where that themes folder was done |
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| 10:18.12 | alterego | Is the xml schema for systemui.xml available? I want to add two entries for launching settings and app manager |
| 10:18.35 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: it's also possible we changed the behavior of the system to leave /home mounted |
| 10:18.38 | timeless_mbp | i don't remember the resolution |
| 10:18.58 | timeless_mbp | i remember that there was a time when we had to delay 1.2 because we discovered that themes weren't working because they weren't available |
| 10:18.59 | lcuk | nods |
| 10:19.05 | lcuk | yeah |
| 10:19.09 | timeless_mbp | nb bugzilla isn't liking me |
| 10:19.18 | lcuk | life |
| 10:19.23 | timeless_mbp | quicksearch=ALL+act+dead+theme <- murder on bugzilla |
| 10:19.52 | timeless_mbp | alterego: the format is easy enough to reverse engineer |
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| 10:19.57 | timeless_mbp | do you really need a document? |
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| 10:21.06 | alterego | Well, I was wondering if there were some other extensions, I'm just interested. I know the file contains a few variations that are good. |
| 10:21.40 | alterego | That and I don't know the settings or app manager dbus service details, if there are any. |
| 10:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | muses about ""when the battery is likely to be randomly unplugged"" and doesn't really make a sense out of it |
| 10:22.17 | th3hate | my device insists on using the default transitions, even after copying a custom one to usr/share/hildon-desktop and restarting. |
| 10:22.19 | th3hate | any ideas? |
| 10:23.22 | alterego | meh, tmo renders like a dog when microb is set to use large font :( |
| 10:24.52 | alterego | anyhow, shower time |
| 10:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, at least /usr shouldn't normaly hold any open write filehandle, so what could hapen, even on the suggested "when the battery is likely to be randomly unplugged" event, that I still fail to see |
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| 10:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | and in which way could it be any better to have /usr on NAND than to keep it in eMMC? where's the difference? |
| 10:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | (except claimed bandwidth diffs) |
| 10:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | I *absolutely* fail to see the rationale behind that "we can't do it, as we need themes in play_dead" |
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| 10:32.17 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, relax. really the simplest way to find out if it works is to try it and see. publish results etc |
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| 10:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie did afaik |
| 10:33.03 | lcuk | do you have a link? |
| 10:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | wiki/user:ruskie I suppose |
| 10:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: any comments? |
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| 10:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: and honestly: if it does *not* work ootb, then there's for sure something better to fix than just cling with braindead optification. The main issue though is you probably hardly find a sane upgrade path that doesn't mean "reflash rootfs AND eMMC" |
| 10:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | which basically means no OTA SSU for anybody |
| 10:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | code wrong once, suffer many |
| 10:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | </quote timeless_mbp > |
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| 10:39.15 | timeless_mbp | the simplest tests are picking an interesting theme; setting device + sim locks, and an alarm. then power off |
| 10:39.39 | timeless_mbp | when you turn it on (or when it turns on), how does the pin/ alarm view look |
| 10:40.02 | timeless_mbp | or when you plug it into a charger, how does the animation for charging look (and how does the text look) |
| 10:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | not without making sure you took care to mount the needed partitions just in time |
| 10:40.45 | timeless_mbp | anyway, those are iirc the interesting edge cases |
| 10:41.01 | timeless_mbp | which most people did not think about when they did their initial attempts at optification |
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| 10:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | err, btw: animation on plugging off device into charger? |
| 10:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | is that new in 1.2? |
| 10:41.37 | timeless_mbp | dunno |
| 10:41.40 | timeless_mbp | maybe it was removed? |
| 10:41.45 | timeless_mbp | i remember we had one at one point |
| 10:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | never seen that |
| 10:41.51 | timeless_mbp | maybe that was an n8x0 thing |
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| 10:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems that's been the easiest of the needed "fixes" then |
| 10:43.19 | crashanddie | o/ timeless_mbp |
| 10:43.25 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: howzit? |
| 10:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I fail to see any technical reason why we couldn't use eMMC for anything that's been on NAND so far. Except of "unbearably slow" which I maybe could live with, or I'd like to live with the slowness rather |
| 10:44.43 | zaheerm | if people coulsd test the zoutube in extras-testing and vote, maybe we can get the non-working zoutube in extras upgraded |
| 10:44.52 | zaheerm | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.2-3/ is the link |
| 10:45.04 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: if you're willing to live w/ it |
| 10:45.07 | timeless_mbp | then just do it ⢠|
| 10:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | well the diff in look&feel of a 11MB/s vs a former 17MB/s is arguable |
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| 10:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | rule of thumb is you need a 2:1 at least for user to really notice |
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| 10:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | and "notice" << "unbearable" |
| 10:47.01 | timeless_mbp | our managers are annoying |
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| 10:47.03 | timeless_mbp | they noticed it |
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| 10:47.21 | timeless_mbp | and our customers are worse |
| 10:47.22 | timeless_mbp | they'd notice |
| 10:48.04 | SpeedEvil | I've not managed any (read) benchmarks that show it being slower |
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| 10:48.11 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: missing lunch |
| 10:48.35 | crashanddie | timeless: I'm sure you're used to that |
| 10:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | a decent fs probably would easily compensate for any smaller bandwidth of eMMC bus |
| 10:49.52 | alterego | Oh sweet, has someone ported flashback!!! |
| 10:50.19 | alterego | Frackin' love that game for frack sake sulu |
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| 10:53.52 | timeless | zootube should not be in network |
| 10:54.00 | timeless | it should be in multimedia |
| 10:54.11 | alterego | Oh, cwappy copy, I'll have to find the game files too Can't remember if I still have those floppys |
| 10:54.12 | timeless | please move for .4 |
| 10:54.32 | timeless | ?? |
| 10:54.41 | alterego | and I don't have any machine with a floppy drive :D |
| 10:55.40 | pupnik_ | alterego: can game data be distributed with the engine? |
| 10:55.56 | eitama | What's flashback? (: |
| 10:56.04 | alterego | Doubt it, I'd imagine it's still copy righted. |
| 10:56.27 | alterego | Wasmsuch a good game, I must have played it 10 times :) |
| 10:56.43 | SpeedEvil | timeless: I think you may mean zoutube |
| 10:56.57 | SpeedEvil | timeless: Unless some rather unexpected app has appeared. |
| 10:56.58 | timeless | sure |
| 10:57.03 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 10:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that the URL you warned us to ever visit, SpeedEvil ? |
| 10:57.45 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 10:57.49 | SpeedEvil | ^not |
| 10:57.56 | timeless | select video quality is giving me an empty dialog |
| 10:58.03 | screwgoth1 | I'm having trouble with booting the pre-alpha2 image on Beagleboard. Is the alpha image recommended ? |
| 10:58.04 | alterego | Still need two more votes on my app if anyone is interested ;) |
| 10:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes, it was not... ? |
| 10:58.42 | timeless | alterego: if you're listening, you'll get my boye in 7mins |
| 10:59.02 | alterego | timeless: :D |
| 10:59.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It was the URL I warned not to ever |
| 10:59.35 | alterego | I have two mates, neither of which can remeber their site passwords :( Useless buggers. |
| 10:59.51 | zaheerm | timeless, ok i will move it in git |
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| 11:00.41 | zaheerm | timeless, which video did you select to get an empty dialog? |
| 11:00.47 | SpeedEvil | alterego: It would be interesting to ping the original rights holders, and see if you could put them up in a for-pay store. (for their benegfit) |
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| 11:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: strange. In German a warning negates the action you warn, I.E it implies a "don't do". You can't warn anybody to actually do something |
| 11:01.33 | alterego | SpeedEvil: yeah, would be cool if we could do that. |
| 11:02.47 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Problem is of course, generally, the actual current rights holder - if you can track them down - will have no cognitive investment in the game. |
| 11:06.21 | th3hate | my device insists on using the default transitions, even after copying a custom one to usr/share/hildon-desktop and restarting. Any ideas how to fix? |
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| 11:08.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In english, the not is always - well - usually - explicit - it would be unusual to leave it out. |
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| 11:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks :-) |
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| 11:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | now I know why this American guy fell off the roof :-P |
| 11:09.47 | pupnik | http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/ Using open transport tycoon deluxe to simulate digital logic circuits.... |
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| 11:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: errr o.O |
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| 11:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: I heard of a Siemens guy that coded his own text editor using excel with user defined functions - one char per cell, insert too ages when done on top of a long text :-P |
| 11:14.39 | Dassu | Has somebody here tried qtnx inside easy debian? |
| 11:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | took* |
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| 11:15.21 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: that is perverse also :) |
| 11:15.39 | pupnik | *very* |
| 11:16.11 | me1ne | oh I always assumed "perverse" was a false friend |
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| 11:18.12 | crashanddie | ok, I need some help |
| 11:18.24 | crashanddie | I have a cheque that was deposited on my account of some 20 grand |
| 11:18.36 | crashanddie | No idea where it came from, so probably a mistake |
| 11:18.59 | SpeedEvil | It was me! Plz return. |
| 11:19.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:19.10 | crashanddie | what do I do? Contact the bank to know what it was for? In that case they may spot the mistake and remove the monies? |
| 11:19.20 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes. |
| 11:19.22 | crashanddie | But if I use the money, and they spot the money, I'm toast anyway |
| 11:19.26 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: indeed. |
| 11:19.53 | crashanddie | is there a finder's fee in case it was a mistake? |
| 11:20.01 | crashanddie | say, 18 grand? |
| 11:20.12 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: In theory, at least in the UK, you can take the money out, put it in another account, and if nobody claims it in 7 years, it's yours. |
| 11:20.16 | crashanddie | I could use it right about now. |
| 11:20.25 | SpeedEvil | But if you use it, that's theft. |
| 11:20.29 | crashanddie | damn |
| 11:20.39 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:20.52 | SpeedEvil | That sort of thing rarely ends well. |
| 11:20.53 | Dassu | kamui: ? |
| 11:21.17 | alterego | The 7 years only counts if you notify the police. |
| 11:21.26 | SpeedEvil | The bank deposited 20 grand accidentally into my dads account, and he used it to finance a very poorly thought out notice. |
| 11:21.35 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I don't think so - it's the time limit on debts. |
| 11:21.47 | SpeedEvil | If the creditor has not contacted you. |
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| 11:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Please note, I am not a lawyer. If this causes you any trouble, I reserve the right to point and laugh. |
| 11:22.14 | alterego | SpeedEvil: it still counts as lost and stolen goods. |
| 11:22.27 | alterego | different thing entirely. |
| 11:23.09 | alterego | And, I think in this case it's actually only 6 months if you declare it with the police. |
| 11:23.11 | SpeedEvil | alterego: You are under no obligation to report stuff you find to the police, if the owner knows where it is. And they do - they know they can ask the bank. |
| 11:23.12 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 11:23.21 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: you do in france |
| 11:23.22 | SpeedEvil | but - see above caveat. |
| 11:23.24 | alterego | Sure |
| 11:23.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd think ignoring it is a safe bet |
| 11:23.37 | SpeedEvil | this varies lots with legislation. |
| 11:23.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:23.42 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:23.45 | SpeedEvil | locality I mean |
| 11:23.53 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: in France, the law is that you find something, declare it to the police (and file a claim), and after one year and one day, it's yours. |
| 11:24.18 | alterego | I think you should check your statement and see where it came from, for instance, do you even know it's a cheque and not a bank xfer? |
| 11:24.18 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: That's for physical property though - which stuff in a bank account isn't quite. |
| 11:24.39 | crashanddie | this is only for physical property, so no idea for "the bank made a mistake in your favour, receive 20 grand" |
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| 11:25.07 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Also - on my online statement - more info pops up on the transaction after a few days |
| 11:25.08 | alterego | crashanddie: that's why you take the money out and give it to the police ;) |
| 11:25.20 | frals_ | id put the cash in my savings account and get interest on it! |
| 11:25.26 | alterego | crashanddie: do nothing, reap the interest :D |
| 11:25.26 | crashanddie | alterego: isn't that called a bribe? :D |
| 11:25.34 | alterego | Hahah |
| 11:25.40 | alterego | yeah, maybe :) |
| 11:25.52 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: And on your way to the police station, you get robbed by a mysterious being of indeterminate race, height, gender, and number of legs. |
| 11:26.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you're just not aware it's a mistake then you can't do anything bad. Just act as if it's exctly what you expected |
| 11:27.11 | alterego | Just closd the account and move to a countey where they don'gt have an extradition rule with your gov't :D |
| 11:27.35 | crashanddie | france has extradition with nearly everyone |
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| 11:27.51 | SpeedEvil | For 2 milllion - yes - maybe - 20 million sure. |
| 11:28.04 | SpeedEvil | You can't live off 20 grand anywhere. |
| 11:28.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can. |
| 11:28.13 | SpeedEvil | But you wouldn't want to. |
| 11:28.24 | crashanddie | well, I used to live off 70 grand, and I'm 23 |
| 11:28.29 | lcuk | technically you can live with 0 |
| 11:28.34 | crashanddie | err, 24 now, so yeah, no, can't live off that |
| 11:28.56 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I mean off the income from, as I suspect you realised. |
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| 11:30.53 | alterego | Never said live off, just have a really good long holiday for a month or two :D |
| 11:31.06 | SpeedEvil | Ah, indeed. |
| 11:31.25 | SpeedEvil | would blow it all on shiny test equipment! |
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| 11:33.52 | crashanddie | actually, I'd probably put it towards a house |
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| 11:34.26 | SpeedEvil | stabs stupid house-price inflation. |
| 11:34.31 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:35.18 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: speaking of nb's, check out attachment 92268 |
| 11:35.19 | povbot | Attachment 92268 was not found or is not accessible. |
| 11:35.46 | timeless_mbp | specifically the last couple of comments |
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| 11:36.42 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, i see the attach, which nb is that on? |
| 11:37.13 | timeless_mbp | add &action=edit |
| 11:38.37 | alterego | right, I'm outta here, see you all later. |
| 11:38.41 | pupnik | ttyl |
| 11:39.03 | alterego | vanishes *pof* |
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| 11:41.06 | crashanddie | povbot: attachment 1 |
| 11:41.08 | povbot | crashanddie: Attachment https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1&action=edit image/png, Screenshot to illustrate the problem, see the summary text field., todo-edit.png |
| 11:41.26 | crashanddie | lcuk: did you read this one: " German student created a major traffic jam in Bavaria after making a rude gesture at a group of Hell's Angels motorcycle gang members, hurling a puppy at them and then escaping on a stolen bulldozer." |
| 11:41.37 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 11:41.52 | lcuk | yes crashanddie ! |
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| 11:45.44 | sejo | what format is the storage card in the n900? |
| 11:45.54 | timeless_mbp | eh? |
| 11:46.02 | timeless_mbp | do you mean the internal memory or the removable thing? |
| 11:46.18 | timeless_mbp | the internal is partitioned ~3 ways (swap, ext3, vfat) |
| 11:46.28 | sejo | removable thing |
| 11:46.34 | timeless_mbp | it should be vfat... |
| 11:46.50 | timeless_mbp | since it isn't useful to you if you can't use it in an arbitrary camera or on an arbitrary computer |
| 11:46.54 | sejo | (i borked it by trying to install the NITdroid) |
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| 11:49.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | just format it from HFM context menu? |
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| 11:50.19 | sejo | from where? |
| 11:50.20 | pupnik | clever 'branding' by google to make their crap require a custom kernel... |
| 11:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | sejo: Hildon File Manager |
| 11:54.04 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: going to install that one |
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| 11:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | err, should come with every stock maemo |
| 11:54.56 | sejo | then you can't format it |
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| 11:55.41 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: the filemanager that's on it does not show a format toption |
| 11:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | uh? |
| 11:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 11:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | here it does |
| 11:56.15 | sejo | only memory card option and it says it's corrupted |
| 11:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | what is "memeory card option"? |
| 11:57.10 | sejo | it shows me the memory usage |
| 11:57.14 | sejo | that's it |
| 11:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 11:58.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | you know the meaning of 'context menu' ? |
| 11:59.02 | achipa | depends on the context (why does saying this feel recursive ?) |
| 11:59.03 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 try to be nice =)))) |
| 11:59.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | click and hold card icon on the left side treeview |
| 11:59.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | menu pops up |
| 11:59.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | select 'format' |
| 12:00.22 | ZogG | or you can use format c:/=)))) |
| 12:00.50 | zaheerm | timeless, seems youtube changed their html again, looks like will have to push out a 0.2-4 soon |
| 12:01.51 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: there is no card item nor a treeview |
| 12:02.04 | sejo | only (no files/folders) message |
| 12:02.06 | timeless_mbp | zaheerm: so you can integrate my suggestions :) |
| 12:02.16 | zaheerm | timeless_mbp, yep |
| 12:04.58 | Andy80 | do you know if a properly patched N900 wireless driver exist that support packet injection? |
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| 12:06.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | sejo: here are two items: phone (=MyDocs eMMC) and card (=uSD), and both have 'format' in context menu |
| 12:07.15 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: here there are no items at all |
| 12:07.17 | sejo | sorry |
| 12:07.23 | sejo | i'll reflash it |
| 12:07.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | so seems you borked eMMC as well as uSD |
| 12:08.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | reflash of rootf won't help |
| 12:08.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | rootfs* |
| 12:08.35 | sejo | well I can always keep android and use that :p |
| 12:09.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | or install windows 7 mobile |
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| 12:09.43 | Sebas1 | does everything works in Android? |
| 12:10.38 | sejo | Brazza: give me a sec |
| 12:11.27 | sejo | bleh need to redo the partition |
| 12:11.34 | sejo | (doesn't boot correctly) |
| 12:11.38 | Brazza | I wish there was a good contact manager. twice now I had to redo my contacts.. |
| 12:11.56 | Brazza | for maemo5 |
| 12:12.14 | sejo | Brazza: I sync mine with my zarafa server and that helps |
| 12:13.25 | Brazza | ah k.. well I pref have an offline one:) but ill try this. Better as in Vmware syncing with outlook :D |
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| 12:13.37 | flailingmonkey | howdy |
| 12:13.57 | sejo | Brazza: it works nicely and I have everything on a mac also that syncs with the same server |
| 12:14.10 | sejo | works like a charm |
| 12:14.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | I do an occasional backup, so even if I'd lose my contacts... restore&smile |
| 12:14.40 | Brazza | yeah mac :S |
| 12:15.12 | Brazza | sejo: this zafara commercial/trial? |
| 12:15.25 | sejo | Brazza: use evolution that syncs also |
| 12:15.29 | sejo | free version |
| 12:15.36 | sejo | with adittional zpush (also free) |
| 12:16.04 | Brazza | s*cks even vodafone and nokia don't support the n900 in there online backup./. |
| 12:16.13 | sejo | `/78 |
| 12:17.09 | Brazza | I still like the n900. (haven't got it more as 1.5month) |
| 12:17.44 | Brazza | can't wait to run meego with a gui.:) |
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| 12:17.53 | Brazza | last time I almost bricked mine:D |
| 12:18.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, why? |
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| 12:19.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | what is it meego got t make it so attractive for you - right now, or even with a halfbaked gui? |
| 12:19.21 | Brazza | I deleted the bootmenu and wanted to flash both drives |
| 12:20.02 | nextime | sad that people respond so well to meego coming to n900 |
| 12:20.05 | flailingmonkey | they want to feel special, and hip |
| 12:20.21 | Brazza | well I like it more as android though. |
| 12:20.34 | Brazza | maybe xause its more customisable |
| 12:20.51 | nextime | Brazza : is less customizable android vs both maemo and meego |
| 12:20.58 | nextime | it is just more supported actually |
| 12:21.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | if I'd want an andridiot phone, I'd for sure not buy a N900 |
| 12:21.15 | sejo | bleh doesn't work |
| 12:21.30 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: same here but still wanted to test it once |
| 12:21.58 | Brazza | anyway it might get somewhere between making one myself or die trying:D |
| 12:22.05 | nextime | anyway, i hope ( i know it is an utopic thing ) that nokia will goes back to maemo and not switch to meego |
| 12:22.10 | nextime | but probably i'm the only one |
| 12:22.13 | nextime | :) |
| 12:22.31 | nextime | in alternative, i wish meego will switch to deb packages :P |
| 12:23.21 | Brazza | btw does anyone know a app which locks the icons on the desktop? and not the whole mobile with keyb? |
| 12:23.31 | nextime | ( to be sincere, i'm not an rpm haters, i have nothing against rpm. I just love deb. ) |
| 12:23.56 | andre900 | Brazza: how do you mean? |
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| 12:24.26 | Brazza | well I had twice now when I put my phone in my pocket all icons are mixed up |
| 12:24.51 | andre900 | sounds more like a bug |
| 12:24.51 | pupnik | nextime: n900+maemo itself doesn't draw enough manufacturers, carriers, content providers and software developers |
| 12:25.10 | nextime | pupnik: true, but is doesn't matter in my vision |
| 12:25.17 | nextime | as i'm a debian geek |
| 12:25.19 | andre900 | Brazza: icons should only be movable after going to the desktop title menu |
| 12:25.25 | nextime | so, i'm happy with maemo |
| 12:25.28 | nextime | :) |
| 12:25.42 | pupnik | nextime: yes, n900 is kind of a dream come true |
| 12:26.07 | flailingmonkey | alterego: ping |
| 12:26.36 | pupnik | sometimes i wonder if the 'partner' nokia should have courted isn't intel, but linux itself. |
| 12:26.50 | Brazza | I couldn't wait for the n8 but I like the nerdy feeling of the n900:D |
| 12:27.14 | Brazza | love to do rm -rf / some day on it |
| 12:28.08 | flailingmonkey | Brazza: sure |
| 12:28.50 | flailingmonkey | pupnik: the meego project is under linux foundation, thats basically as close to a partner as they get |
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| 12:30.56 | flailingmonkey | frankly, screw meego, get me some harmattan |
| 12:31.26 | pupnik | i'm intentionally conflating different levels of things there flailingmonkey :) |
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| 12:33.47 | flailingmonkey | i don't give a flying noun about deb vs rpm. just find a package manager that is faster than apt |
| 12:34.27 | flailingmonkey | apt and yum are both slow for a phone, and maybe zypper can do better. performance is what counts |
| 12:34.28 | pupnik | flailingmonkey yes yes yes |
| 12:34.44 | pupnik | please no rescanning the database after i install an app |
| 12:34.47 | pupnik | and before |
| 12:34.58 | nextime | flailingmonkey : i dont agree, but if this is your point, there are both ipkg and opkg from openwrt |
| 12:35.08 | Brazza | btw anyone wants some wallpapers for maemo http://brazza.eu/gallery/#/content/maemo/ (no spam) |
| 12:35.26 | nextime | but my point isn't to be against this or the other one pkg |
| 12:35.31 | flailingmonkey | at least one of them is not maintained |
| 12:35.44 | nextime | is only cause i'm common to deb and i have my own repo for debian packages |
| 12:35.56 | nextime | so, it is just a personal thing |
| 12:36.00 | pupnik | nice wallpapers there Brazza |
| 12:36.15 | Brazza | more in the / 16:10:D |
| 12:36.31 | Brazza | you have to resize them urself. |
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| 12:37.09 | flailingmonkey | theres also smart, but again performance is key |
| 12:37.56 | flailingmonkey | nextime: then you should be more excited about (deb based) harmattan than meego :P |
| 12:37.58 | sallesao | does anyone now what the problem might be when apt-get does not find repository.maemo.org? |
| 12:38.14 | sallesao | I have tried to change nameserver |
| 12:38.15 | timeless_mbp | sallesao: no network? :) |
| 12:38.24 | sallesao | internets works fine |
| 12:38.28 | sallesao | :) |
| 12:38.29 | nextime | flailingmonkey : in my opinion performance isn't so important. After all you don't need to install application every minutes, you need performance when you are using apps, not when you install it |
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| 12:39.14 | flailingmonkey | nextime: the process of browsing, finding, and installing apps is very important to the usability of any system |
| 12:39.19 | nextime | flailingmonkey : harmattan will be released? it is no clear (to me) the future in this path |
| 12:40.32 | flailingmonkey | it will. business managers just like big reveals. but I guess since I never use Nokia Care, I don't care if they would support me |
| 12:41.31 | sallesao | timeless_mbp: weird thing is, I can go to repository.maemo.org via the browser, but I can't ping it. |
| 12:41.39 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 12:41.46 | timeless_mbp | ping is generally not available |
| 12:41.49 | flailingmonkey | sallesao: ping isn't always enabled |
| 12:41.54 | sallesao | I see |
| 12:41.59 | timeless_mbp | servers see it as a way to be attacked |
| 12:42.02 | flailingmonkey | to pervent people from trying to flood with pings |
| 12:42.03 | timeless_mbp | so admins tend to drop it |
| 12:42.11 | nextime | wrong thing |
| 12:42.30 | nextime | enable echo request type ping and maybe just limit it is the right way |
| 12:42.31 | nextime | :) |
| 12:42.44 | sallesao | that doesn't explain why apt-get doesn't work though |
| 12:42.55 | sallesao | :( |
| 12:43.10 | nextime | anyway, there is also hping3 that can "ping" over TCP and/or UDP |
| 12:43.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | time for a walk, nobody on the streets :-D |
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| 12:49.42 | flailingmonkey | do any people here also follow meego forums? |
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| 12:50.16 | Brazza | the wallpapers I showed. are here to download 75+ in 1 zip http://brazza.eu/wallies.7z |
| 12:50.41 | RST38h | Yaaawwwwn |
| 12:50.50 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: here neither. must be because we're playing ball |
| 12:51.03 | timeless_mbp | timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html :) |
| 12:51.10 | timeless_mbp | Brazza: lot of nice wallpaper ;) |
| 12:51.12 | achipa | flailingmonkey: meego forum ? what's that ? |
| 12:51.23 | Brazza | maemo.org is just my 2nd site I visit after tweakers.net;D |
| 12:51.42 | flailingmonkey | forum.meego.com |
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| 12:52.15 | achipa | (that was a feeble attempt at humoru) |
| 12:52.17 | sejo | bleh can't flash it neither... device is hardware revision 2001 and that's not supported by the fw |
| 12:52.19 | Brazza | not a lot of peeps are there:D |
| 12:52.55 | pupnik | good looking ones |
| 12:53.15 | Brazza | I like the minimalistic look of it. |
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| 12:54.24 | Brazza | does anyone gonna get that 2400MwAh battery for the n900? |
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| 12:55.08 | frals_ | hmm |
| 12:55.17 | frals_ | confusing to have my ircshell on swedish tz |
| 12:55.18 | achipa | flailingmonkey: ... sooo... your were saying |
| 12:55.48 | flailingmonkey | just the a wiki page about handset ux was accidentally posted publicly on meego wiki |
| 12:56.05 | flailingmonkey | wondered if anyone else had noticed |
| 12:57.45 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: did apple really use Richard Feynman and Albert Einstein pictures in their ads? |
| 12:58.02 | pupnik | Brazza: yes, but i forgot who |
| 12:58.05 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 12:58.15 | timeless_mbp | i don't think so anyway |
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| 12:58.43 | ZogG | flailingmonkey there was thread about it |
| 12:58.54 | ZogG | as well why wouldn't it be public as it's opensource |
| 12:58.57 | ZogG | isn't it? |
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| 13:00.03 | pupnik | because not ready for public release |
| 13:00.45 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: will that stress.html *ever* stop loading images? |
| 13:01.16 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 13:01.17 | ZogG | pupnik you can't get it anyway, so who cares about wiki |
| 13:01.31 | flailingmonkey | pupnik: i think its a stress test? |
| 13:01.35 | pupnik | yeah ;) |
| 13:01.44 | ZogG | pupnik, give me an url |
| 13:01.48 | ZogG | i want to stress out |
| 13:02.03 | pupnik | 14:51 < timeless_mbp> timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html :) |
| 13:02.49 | flailingmonkey | I will say that, its better to have involvement, but since thats not a current option, I want them to finish and hand over what they consider "ready" |
| 13:03.53 | Macer | is there something to make the screen blanking stop? |
| 13:03.58 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 13:04.02 | Macer | and to disable that auto dim crap? |
| 13:04.04 | timeless_mbp | iirc mce.ini can control it |
| 13:04.16 | timeless_mbp | there's no ui for it because the ui team refused to allow it |
| 13:04.23 | Macer | blah |
| 13:04.31 | Macer | that sucks |
| 13:04.34 | GAN900 | Hooray for UI teams! |
| 13:04.41 | GAN900 | Also: managers! |
| 13:04.46 | lcuk | pupnik, stress does stop eventually :D |
| 13:04.47 | timeless_mbp | but the engineers wanted it, hence mce accepts it :) |
| 13:05.01 | Macer | i remember m4 had an addon type app for it |
| 13:05.10 | timeless_mbp | actually, the n900 is one of very few devices which survives stress |
| 13:05.28 | timeless_mbp | has killed a number of devices of various shapes and sizes (and platforms) with it |
| 13:05.46 | Macer | timeless_mbp: so no disabling the dimming and no turning off blanking in the ui at all huh? |
| 13:05.56 | Macer | and no app that does it? :) |
| 13:05.58 | timeless_mbp | well you could watch a movie on a loop |
| 13:06.09 | timeless_mbp | the movie player obviously turns off blanking while it's playing a movie :) |
| 13:06.10 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: next time, warn us |
| 13:06.16 | Macer | haha |
| 13:06.30 | Macer | blanking can be turned off with charging |
| 13:06.34 | timeless_mbp | iirc flash does too when it's playing a movie |
| 13:06.41 | timeless_mbp | oh yeah, you can plug it in... |
| 13:06.46 | Macer | :) |
| 13:06.57 | timeless_mbp | that's not always convenient... |
| 13:07.04 | Macer | no. not really |
| 13:07.10 | timeless_mbp | there's a command you can use from xterminal ... |
| 13:07.15 | Macer | i think the dimming is more annoying |
| 13:07.21 | flailingmonkey | its how I use it at my desk |
| 13:07.26 | timeless_mbp | basically mce needs a heartbeat to prevent dimming |
| 13:07.29 | Macer | the light sensor thing |
| 13:07.31 | timeless_mbp | so if you give it one.. |
| 13:07.43 | Macer | run a cron? |
| 13:07.45 | Macer | heh |
| 13:07.57 | flailingmonkey | ah yes, the screen brightness responding to ambient light |
| 13:08.06 | Macer | flailingmonkey: yes |
| 13:08.14 | Macer | that is an irritating feature |
| 13:08.48 | Macer | "feature" |
| 13:09.06 | Macer | Stskeeps said there was somewhere in config to turn it off. i didnt see it |
| 13:09.06 | ZogG | pupnik it has no end |
| 13:09.39 | Macer | maybe "power saving mode" |
| 13:09.40 | Macer | ? |
| 13:10.25 | th3hate | Someone help me: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56525 |
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| 13:11.31 | E0x | th3hate: i never try the transitions.ini things but check if they are other file |
| 13:11.31 | E0x | do a find |
| 13:11.38 | E0x | sudo gainroot |
| 13:11.52 | E0x | find / -name "transitions.ini" |
| 13:12.00 | th3hate | ok will try now |
| 13:12.28 | timeless_mbp | Macer: yes, you can disable the brightness stuff from the ui |
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| 13:12.46 | timeless_mbp | and if you speak English, you can use my locales so that you can understand your n900 |
| 13:13.40 | th3hate | found another file in: opt/usr/share/themes/blackplastictheme-themedir/transitions.ini |
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| 13:14.22 | th3hate | should i delete it? |
| 13:14.29 | Macer | timeless_mbp: ? |
| 13:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: xchat has option to disable dimming. simple brightness applet has, as well |
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| 13:14.57 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i think power saving in the config is the dimming |
| 13:15.01 | timeless_mbp | yes? |
| 13:15.44 | timeless_mbp | hrm, yeah, i didn't fix the translation of "Power saving mode" |
| 13:15.59 | Macer | you seriously made a locale? |
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| 13:16.02 | Macer | :) |
| 13:17.54 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: ah. you meant blanking? |
| 13:18.03 | Macer | awesome. got it. thanks |
| 13:18.47 | Macer | crap |
| 13:18.56 | Macer | it is still auto dimming |
| 13:20.08 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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| 13:24.20 | flailingmonkey | timeless_mbp: so you put in better/more accurate descriptions of what does what? |
| 13:24.57 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 13:25.25 | flailingmonkey | where can I try this out |
| 13:27.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | Macer: no dimming of any kind here, when simplebrightness is set to keep on display |
| 13:27.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I think the dynamic brightness may still kick in. |
| 13:27.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | I hope that's not yet another regression of 1.2 |
| 13:27.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that is - on screens with no white - the backlight cranks down, and the screen goes to white |
| 13:28.16 | SpeedEvil | (which has unfortunate issues in the sun using it in transflective mode) |
| 13:28.26 | SpeedEvil | (At least I think that's what I was seeing) |
| 13:28.59 | flailingmonkey | sounds weird to me SpeedEvil |
| 13:29.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: yes, that for sure |
| 13:29.22 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: In principle with video content - it can save a fair amount of power. |
| 13:29.52 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: For example - in any slightly dim scene - with the backlight at half of nominal - that can save a _lot_ of power. |
| 13:30.08 | flailingmonkey | i see what you mean. |
| 13:30.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | weird, my ALS doesn't kick in |
| 13:30.49 | SpeedEvil | I've not seen it in a consistent manner |
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| 13:34.53 | RST38h | heya VDVsx |
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| 13:35.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | Now that's really nasty. Seems simple brightness app has a new behaviour to adjust screen backlight to ALS only if you have <100% setting |
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| 13:35.28 | RST38h | heya VDVsx x2 |
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| 13:36.13 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, ALS? |
| 13:36.20 | GAN900 | Ambient? |
| 13:36.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ambient light |
| 13:36.27 | GAN900 | Ah |
| 13:37.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | so in bright sun you set to 100 and then you need to manually dim when ambiet goes low |
| 13:37.17 | VDVsx_N900 | RST: hey :) |
| 13:38.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually it's nice to learn we can disable ALS, but honestly simple brightness is way too simple |
| 13:38.42 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 13:38.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | it'd need at least 2 dials, maybe 3 |
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| 13:39.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | minimum brightness, maximum, and ALS multiplicator |
| 13:39.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka gamma |
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| 13:45.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | does hildon know about alpha? (transparent "windows") |
| 13:45.39 | Stskeeps | to some extent |
| 13:45.46 | Stskeeps | widgets are actually windows |
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| 13:46.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, but could I start a app that shows desktop or whatever as background? |
| 13:47.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably not refreshing, ok |
| 13:48.00 | frals_ | should work in theory because you can do live wallpapers which is pretty much that? (ie xsnow) |
| 13:48.55 | frals_ | otoh that is different from just setting the background transparent i assume |
| 13:49.34 | timeless_mbp | re zoutube... |
| 13:49.39 | timeless_mbp | i couldn't get it to really work :( |
| 13:50.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | frals_: whatever, it sounds like what I need. just questionable if it could work for arbitrary background or just desktop |
| 13:50.34 | timeless_mbp | oh, and "about" in zoutube claims it's 0.1 even though the package claims 0.2-3 |
| 13:50.48 | timeless_mbp | if you're going to have an about, please make the about accurate :) |
| 13:50.57 | timeless_mbp | otherwise, be a proper maemo app and don't have one :) |
| 13:51.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm pondering about a smart brightness app that allows to look at the 'main' app while sliders for adjusting backlight brightness are almost invisible on the sides of screen |
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| 13:52.20 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, doesn't Zoutube have a product? |
| 13:52.20 | flailingmonkey | who was it that adamently refused to have an About window or have version output at all |
| 13:52.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | *hates* apps without about |
| 13:52.28 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: dunno :) |
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| 13:54.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: alarmed? |
| 13:55.51 | flailingmonkey | sounds right. i think the dev was fighting with you about that? |
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| 13:56.56 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer51: what exactly led you to mess up your apt db so badly? :P |
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| 13:57.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, had a real dispute with Shapeshifter about it :-P |
| 13:57.38 | lcukn900 | gah dentists again |
| 13:57.43 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, clearly you should figure that out. |
| 13:57.52 | GAN900 | lcukn900, they have those in the UK? :P |
| 13:58.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: I didn't. I just was plaing advocatus diaboli |
| 13:58.46 | flailingmonkey | GAN900: no, they keep trying to invade the UK though |
| 13:58.59 | lcukn900 | 2g needs improving |
| 13:59.25 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer51: ah very well. he was just being lazy anyway |
| 13:59.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | XD |
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| 14:01.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's really not that hard to get the compile date into the --help or --version output, automatically. Code once and forget |
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| 14:02.25 | flailingmonkey | he just didn't know how to and assumed it couldn't be done |
| 14:03.15 | rodald | hi, can someone explain to me how can i update to PR 1.2 by air |
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| 14:03.36 | Surfa | rodald, launch app manager -> updated |
| 14:03.39 | Surfa | updates |
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| 14:04.18 | rodald | but it tells me that i have to conect to a PC and when i try with the PC Suite it gives me an error |
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| 14:04.39 | Surfa | rodald, you probably have some software that has dependency problems |
| 14:04.54 | Surfa | there was a list of problematic ones on tmo.. let me see if I could find it for you |
| 14:04.57 | rodald | and what can i do in that case? |
| 14:05.06 | rodald | thank you |
| 14:05.11 | Surfa | remove problem programs and run update again |
| 14:05.19 | flailingmonkey | usually you can update OTA after uninstalling certain apps. HAM really should report specific conflicts |
| 14:05.52 | flailingmonkey | certain games, such as GLtron and openarena are in that list |
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| 14:06.31 | Surfa | tux racer was one |
| 14:06.35 | Surfa | brain party another |
| 14:06.44 | frals_ | HAM does report conflicts if you actually click details or whatever |
| 14:06.46 | Surfa | but I'll try to find complete list :) |
| 14:06.47 | frals_ | (did for me anyway) |
| 14:06.54 | rodald | have them both |
| 14:06.55 | flailingmonkey | oh I see. it is trying to run apt, apt errors but HAM doesn't actually read what errors happened |
| 14:07.18 | Surfa | rodald, start by removing those :) they certainly will cause you trouble |
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| 14:07.30 | supertramp | hi |
| 14:07.39 | rodald | ah ok let me try |
| 14:07.41 | supertramp | guys - is there some tiny c compiler for maemo? |
| 14:07.43 | vldcnst | HAM is to be hated. |
| 14:07.46 | supertramp | (something like tcc) |
| 14:07.48 | flailingmonkey | really? it should tell people to check that conflict list instead of suggesting reflash |
| 14:08.02 | supertramp | for ondevice c devel |
| 14:08.22 | flailingmonkey | supertramp: i'd look in extras-devel I guess, but don't know off hand |
| 14:09.25 | flailingmonkey | frals_: you saw that during PR1.2 update? I only see that for package installs |
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| 14:10.07 | supertramp | there is only gcc-4.2-base |
| 14:10.13 | supertramp | and gcc is not *tiny* :} |
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| 14:10.55 | jacekowski | i think your definition of tiny is from 19 century |
| 14:11.05 | flailingmonkey | agreed. compiling tcc might not be a huge amount of work, but the people here will certainly help |
| 14:11.36 | b-man | i've already ran tcc on my N900 :) |
| 14:12.04 | b-man | but is needs quite a bit of work |
| 14:12.14 | supertramp | b-man: how? :) I'm unable to build it in the scatchbox |
| 14:12.16 | pupnik | "I statically recompiled the original DOS executable (MAIN.EXE) into GP2X [arm] executable" |
| 14:12.37 | b-man | pupnik: lol |
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| 14:12.58 | b-man | supertramp: i compiled it natively on my device |
| 14:13.04 | flailingmonkey | pupnik: .... |
| 14:13.09 | pupnik | flailingmonkey: it's true |
| 14:13.30 | pupnik | recompiled a DOS game for arm/linux and hacked it to work |
| 14:13.50 | pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/39437-albion/ |
| 14:14.09 | pupnik | now available for n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52226 |
| 14:14.40 | flailingmonkey | insanity |
| 14:14.51 | flailingmonkey | congrats |
| 14:15.04 | pupnik | i didn't do it, a smart person (m-ht) did |
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| 14:17.41 | flailingmonkey | i just read it. I don't even understand how he managed it |
| 14:18.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | suggests doing a backup *prior* to removing conflicting apps to enable SSU. Then after upgrade to new FW version you simply restore to get back all the apps you uminstalled prior to upgrade |
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| 14:22.56 | kenya888 | Hi, all :-) |
| 14:22.57 | crashanddie | ok, no cookie from the bank. Apparently it was some temporary funds transfer from my old company for tax purposes, so the money will be gone by midnight :( |
| 14:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: tztzzz. You really should have done a money transfer *immediately* |
| 14:24.01 | crashanddie | well no, because that I would have had a direct debit of 20 grand with no funds, imagine the fine on that |
| 14:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ""ooops sorry, thought it was the credit of a friend that I'm waiting for since 18 months" |
| 14:24.38 | kenya888 | sorry for asking the same again and again. Anyone knows how to contact to debmaster? I'd like to delete a remaining queue of extras auto builder... |
| 14:24.54 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: "oops" doesn't work in the world of banks |
| 14:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:25.02 | crashanddie | X-Fade: can you help kenya888 out? |
| 14:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, those suckers |
| 14:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | mine froze my account and I'm waiting for 3 days now for them to correct that stuff. No money for the weekend it seems |
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| 14:26.37 | crashanddie | do you have money on your account? |
| 14:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | Doc too a week off without dropping a notice, so I run short of meds mid of next week |
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| 14:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | Isn't life a joy? |
| 14:26.57 | kenya888 | because of the queue, build process don't start even if i upload the newer src package... |
| 14:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | took* |
| 14:27.01 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: do you have funds on your account? |
| 14:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | I have some few hundered bucks credit |
| 14:27.28 | kenya888 | crashanddie, thanks for pay attention me :-) |
| 14:27.37 | crashanddie | np |
| 14:27.51 | flailingmonkey | kenya888: X-Fade is who you want to talk to |
| 14:28.18 | crashanddie | kenya888: X-Fade or failing him, jeremiah foster |
| 14:28.33 | crashanddie | kenya888: I'm PM'ing you his email address |
| 14:28.39 | flailingmonkey | don't think jeremiah's still around |
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| 14:29.15 | crashanddie | ah, true |
| 14:29.40 | crashanddie | kenya888: don't contact jeremiah then :) |
| 14:29.44 | flailingmonkey | and in the world of banks, when the error gets noticed they'll just take the amount out of any of your accounts. the bank never gets screwed :P |
| 14:30.08 | kenya888 | flailingmonkey, thx!! |
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| 14:30.16 | kenya888 | crashanddie, thx!! |
| 14:30.57 | kenya888 | OK, I understand feremiah have already retired to this job.. X-Fade is the correct person one. |
| 14:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | seems everybody's having a party, err metings today. So maybe hard to contact X-Fade |
| 14:32.45 | supertramp | thx guys |
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| 14:32.47 | flailingmonkey | maybe they are all getting yelled at for not being secretive enough :P |
| 14:33.25 | kenya888 | DocScrutinizer, oh... the only way is waiting for him on this chatroom...:-P |
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| 14:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably |
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| 14:37.08 | crashanddie | kenya888: or you can drop him an email, but IRC is usually more effective |
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| 14:39.32 | kenya888 | crashanddie, i see, I'll try log in to IRC as frequently as possible... All if you remember me and met him on IRC, plz tell him there is a man who want to delete build queue of fremantle auto builder...:-) |
| 14:41.02 | crashanddie | what packages, kenya888? |
| 14:41.17 | vldcnst | ferenc also might be able to help you aswell. |
| 14:41.18 | crashanddie | you don't want to delete the whole build queue? |
| 14:41.25 | kenya888 | crashanddie, it is ibus. |
| 14:41.34 | vldcnst | s/also/ |
| 14:41.35 | kenya888 | Ibus 1.3.4-2maemo4 |
| 14:42.13 | kenya888 | you can see the newer src packages have been already uploaded to auto build from this page... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ |
| 14:42.28 | crashanddie | X-Fade: as kenya888 is trying to ask, can you delete the build queue for ibus 1.3.4-2maemo4? Thanks |
| 14:42.49 | kenya888 | crashanddie, thx:-) |
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| 14:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen X-Fade |
| 14:44.52 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 5h 45m 15s) #meego (1d 5h 45m 15s), last said: 'Saviq: Only 1.10 as max.'. |
| 14:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | damn, thought there's an idle time |
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| 14:47.31 | kenya888 | Oh... Ok waiting for response from him for a while...:-) |
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| 14:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: awake? |
| 14:51.47 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 14:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: meeting finished? |
| 14:52.27 | Stskeeps | well, i'm finished after a long week |
| 14:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, it's Friday. Indeed |
| 14:52.56 | ruskie | yay watching the slo:usa match on the n900 |
| 14:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: ola! |
| 14:53.15 | ruskie | is happy that it's 2:0 now |
| 14:53.22 | ohwhyme | how ruskie? |
| 14:53.40 | ruskie | national tv has a flash streammmm |
| 14:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: you tried to have /opt or /usr partition on eMMC once? |
| 14:53.49 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, both |
| 14:53.55 | ruskie | still have /opt |
| 14:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | results? |
| 14:54.02 | ruskie | /usr is a nogo |
| 14:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 14:54.37 | ruskie | relies on things there at early boot |
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| 14:55.01 | crashanddie | just put /usr/bin on rootfs |
| 14:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so they messed it up. Things needed for boot are a nogo in /usr |
| 14:55.14 | ruskie | sadly yeah |
| 14:55.19 | ruskie | libs and bins |
| 14:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | that's the *whole* meaning of /usr : "not needed for boot" |
| 14:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | nothing else |
| 14:55.55 | ruskie | so now I have /home /opt and MyDocs |
| 14:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | noobs |
| 14:56.28 | flailingmonkey | there are very clear definitions for directory purposes too |
| 14:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: no. Move the things that conflict to where they belong. /bin & /sbin |
| 14:56.51 | ruskie | sadly maemo ignores them |
| 14:56.57 | ruskie | and /lib |
| 14:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | yep, and /lib |
| 14:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | vs /usr/lib |
| 14:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what Nokia thought was the meanng of /usr anyway |
| 14:57.53 | ruskie | no clue |
| 14:58.10 | lcuk | Stskeeps, is meego sidetracking this issue by using flat file system or by actually fixing and ensuring components from /usr arent needed |
| 14:58.11 | ruskie | but FHS is rather clear on ti |
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| 14:58.33 | ruskie | hopes we win the match |
| 14:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: since 1972 |
| 14:58.50 | ruskie | ? |
| 14:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | FHS clear on it |
| 14:59.04 | ruskie | ahh |
| 14:59.16 | ohwhyme | how did germany lose |
| 14:59.16 | ohwhyme | :o |
| 14:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | epically |
| 14:59.36 | Stskeeps | lcuk: no clue, but a big / sounds like an idea.. |
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| 14:59.51 | lcuk | not ideal tho |
| 14:59.56 | lcuk | should be planned to cope without one |
| 15:00.05 | ruskie | yup |
| 15:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | suggestion: get an *old* version of a good unix administrator's handbook. like <1990 |
| 15:01.03 | Stskeeps | i have one from 1984 |
| 15:01.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:01.05 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yes, what's up? |
| 15:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | there you'll read how to set up a linux/unix correctly |
| 15:01.15 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, why get a book, you are an old unix administrator |
| 15:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: news from qgil? |
| 15:01.42 | ruskie | goes back to watching the traffic |
| 15:01.44 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, none. :/ |
| 15:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: k, thanks |
| 15:02.07 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, the N900 is a lie! |
| 15:02.10 | GAN900 | Or something. |
| 15:02.22 | flailingmonkey | hehehehe |
| 15:02.48 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: your favorite component is going to be even more prominent |
| 15:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | how so? |
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| 15:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: please elaborate, or toss a pointer |
| 15:03.38 | flailingmonkey | guidelines suggest that if an app makes any files it should register in tracker and use its db to store the files |
| 15:03.56 | flailingmonkey | for "some upcoming release" |
| 15:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 15:04.29 | flailingmonkey | admits to nothing |
| 15:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | feels like this is THE moment for a walk and afk |
| 15:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | cya, #maemo |
| 15:04.48 | GAN900 | Haha |
| 15:05.04 | flailingmonkey | lmao |
| 15:05.51 | ohwhyme | the us scored :o |
| 15:05.53 | flailingmonkey | all files get tags too |
| 15:06.09 | lcuk | ohwhyme, really? i thought green wasnt picked for their squad today? |
| 15:06.13 | GAN900 | Woo! USA! USA! |
| 15:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | thinks about how Nokia is going to patch scp, sftp, and even mass storage, to fulfill that requirement. Insane. LMFAO |
| 15:06.52 | GAN900 | remembers he doesn't care about soccer. |
| 15:07.19 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: global searrrrch |
| 15:07.20 | lcuk | i just took a call from soccer to say it doesn't care about you either. it also says BBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 15:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | now knows for sure some dudes at Nokia are out of their minds |
| 15:07.32 | flailingmonkey | lcuk: ahahahaha |
| 15:07.36 | E0x | anybody have a good transition.ini file that can share ? |
| 15:07.48 | lcuk | E0x, the default one is quite good |
| 15:07.57 | E0x | i looking make my n900 feel more fast |
| 15:08.11 | flailingmonkey | transition needs gui config with load/save |
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| 15:08.25 | lcuk | i wanna respray my 900 |
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| 15:08.39 | flailingmonkey | they are reducing the blur effects for speed |
| 15:08.52 | lcuk | after seeing Myrtti and her pretty covers on other hardware |
| 15:08.53 | E0x | lcuk: do ti |
| 15:08.56 | E0x | do it* |
| 15:09.22 | lcuk | just the bezel would do me i think |
| 15:09.29 | lcuk | so i can tell my devices apart |
| 15:09.59 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: this gets even better! this seems to imply that you don't get any filesystem hierarchy (like dirs) at all. just tags |
| 15:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 15:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia just invented the flat shadow fs |
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| 15:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | for quite unclear purpose |
| 15:10.49 | flailingmonkey | way of the futuuuure |
| 15:11.03 | GAN900 | I'm just going to call it futbol from now on. |
| 15:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, feel like puking |
| 15:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | so cya |
| 15:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Coincidentally - /me has been started watching babylon 5. |
| 15:12.09 | SpeedEvil | (WRT shadow filesystems) |
| 15:12.12 | flailingmonkey | looks like cuteexplorer will have new life on meego |
| 15:12.25 | flailingmonkey | hahahaha, nice one |
| 15:12.48 | SpeedEvil | cuteexplorer is nice. |
| 15:12.58 | SpeedEvil | I question the 'cut/copy' functionality though |
| 15:13.21 | flailingmonkey | its a good start |
| 15:13.56 | SpeedEvil | also - it should be possible to add a shortcut to /foo on the desktop |
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| 15:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | wanders off singing "I'm killing Kerry Beagle, kill kill kill. And then I'm killing tracker, kill kill kill..." |
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| 15:20.15 | flailingmonkey | i wonder how it will handle being exported over USB (connected to laptop) |
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| 15:21.26 | SpeedEvil | It won't |
| 15:21.39 | SpeedEvil | the filesystem is completely unmounted when used as mass storage |
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| 15:21.43 | SpeedEvil | It pretty much has to be |
| 15:23.25 | flailingmonkey | I meant, how it will show up on the laptop, if there isn't any directory structure (since you are just using tags) |
| 15:24.03 | nomis | a broad directory hierarchy, with a subdir for each tag. |
| 15:24.10 | nomis | recursively of course. |
| 15:25.52 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Respraying with paints that will stick is hard. |
| 15:26.04 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: you could get a mugen battery, for one. |
| 15:26.20 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, sure, but cares seem to cope with spraying |
| 15:26.23 | lcuk | cars |
| 15:26.33 | lcuk | what would a mugen help? |
| 15:26.44 | flailingmonkey | you could sand it down |
| 15:26.47 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: If n900 is hugely thick - it's device B. |
| 15:27.03 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, what about a/c/d tho? |
| 15:27.15 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Cars are not scraped as much - in general as phones. |
| 15:27.30 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: plus - metal can be a better substrate for paint. |
| 15:27.37 | SpeedEvil | And it can be baked on harder. |
| 15:27.45 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: |
| 15:27.45 | lcuk | the bezel is metal afaik |
| 15:27.55 | timeless_mbp | "automatically adjust brightness" or "automatically adjust brightness levels"? |
| 15:27.57 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, that would be a given on the bezel |
| 15:28.03 | timeless_mbp | the latter actually does fit... |
| 15:28.30 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Ihmm - maybe |
| 15:28.47 | flailingmonkey | what is automatically adjusting based on |
| 15:29.11 | timeless_mbp | doesn't matter :) |
| 15:29.25 | timeless_mbp | it's a checkable widget not a help system |
| 15:29.40 | timeless_mbp | if you want to know what it does, you can: google, ask someone, or experiment |
| 15:30.50 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, first one. |
| 15:30.52 | flailingmonkey | adjusts brightness based on your blood alcohol levels |
| 15:31.09 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: ok |
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| 15:33.12 | E0x | cool no need reboot when you change the transition.init file |
| 15:35.07 | cehteh | depends on what transistion you change |
| 15:35.57 | lcuk | E0x, are you using the transitions editor |
| 15:36.01 | E0x | no |
| 15:36.12 | cehteh | some require a hildon restart |
| 15:36.16 | E0x | editing the transition.ini file directly |
| 15:36.28 | lcuk | hardcore |
| 15:36.44 | E0x | i just don't want add extra-testing repo |
| 15:36.51 | E0x | i am stick with extra only |
| 15:36.51 | cehteh | the editor is not very flexible |
| 15:37.10 | lcuk | lol - so you gainroot and go fscking with system files :D |
| 15:37.42 | E0x | lcuk: yes that is righ |
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| 15:38.40 | lcuk | E0x, if you wanted to be uber god - you should attempt to do everything without installing from any repository |
| 15:38.57 | E0x | you say that i don't say that |
| 15:39.08 | E0x | i just say i am stick |
| 15:39.37 | E0x | not because i am feel that i am uber god or something is just because take more long time and BW when i refresh |
| 15:39.42 | E0x | it |
| 15:39.56 | E0x | if i want something of extra-testing i maybe will download the .deb |
| 15:40.01 | E0x | and install it manually |
| 15:40.33 | E0x | ( i don't feel like i need give you a explanation but the it is ) |
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| 15:43.03 | lcuk | E0x, chill! i was only poking fun |
| 15:44.12 | E0x | don't worry i and fine that don't bother me at all |
| 15:44.33 | E0x | like we say here : mas claridad , mas amistad |
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| 15:50.24 | rodald | heeeeelp please my deviced just died, i was uninstalling all the programs to upgrade to PR1.2, try to uninstal a kernel called Enhaced Linux Kernel for power users, it showed couldnt uninstal because couldnt install nokia kernel and then it rebooted and now when i try to turn it on it just gives me the nokia logo then the withe dots, and the screen turns black and it shuts down, it keeps the blue light on wile it turns off |
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| 15:51.17 | E0x | rodald: you already did a backup ? |
| 15:51.19 | E0x | of you data ? |
| 15:51.26 | rodald | yes |
| 15:51.33 | E0x | just do the reflash process |
| 15:51.42 | rodald | how do i do that? |
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| 15:52.14 | E0x | download the image http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 15:52.17 | E0x | from there |
| 15:52.32 | E0x | when say product id need put you imei |
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| 15:52.48 | E0x | you can find in attach to the box |
| 15:52.50 | E0x | of you n900 |
| 15:53.02 | E0x | or inside it |
| 15:53.08 | Termana | ~flashing |
| 15:53.13 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:53.15 | rodald | but how do i download it to the phoe if i cant even turn it on |
| 15:53.26 | E0x | rodald: download in in the computer |
| 15:53.34 | E0x | the reflash is via USB |
| 15:53.38 | flailingmonkey | read the link |
| 15:53.47 | rodald | ok thank you |
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| 15:56.08 | flailingmonkey | rofl, US tied, by bullshit |
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| 15:57.37 | rodald | ok im in a page that shows me files, size,, brief description,and note what do i do now? |
| 16:00.38 | E0x | need download a vanilla one |
| 16:00.49 | E0x | and EMMC one |
| 16:01.04 | E0x | and they need match the version of course |
| 16:01.11 | E0x | errr |
| 16:01.20 | b-man | hmm.... they just merged a troll thread with the PXS4ALL Maemo Edition theread... :P |
| 16:01.47 | E0x | rodald: sorry a MR0 one and VANILLA_EMMC one |
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| 16:03.02 | rodald | can i use this one RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, its this the vanilla? |
| 16:04.23 | E0x | example i flash my with two: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 16:05.10 | E0x | rodald: just look for the lasted version of both |
| 16:05.34 | Sebas1 | any knows if there is the uber twitter app like gwibber comp. with maemo? |
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| 16:07.05 | E0x | rodald: no private |
| 16:07.12 | E0x | just follow the link |
| 16:07.22 | E0x | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 16:07.59 | rodald | ok thank you ill try it |
| 16:10.02 | E0x | rodald: read carefull |
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| 16:14.26 | brazza | anyone tried the new ovi suite? |
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| 16:16.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | rodald: you don't need to flash eMMC |
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| 16:18.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | rodald: you don't need to flash eMMC |
| 16:18.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | just download the COMBINED_10.2010 |
| 16:19.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, he's gone |
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| 16:45.05 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer51: you're still on 1.1.1 right? |
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| 16:49.52 | Shaan7 | Hello, I'm trying to run my Qt app on my N900, when compiling my Qt project, should I be using FREMANTLE_ARMEL or FREMANTLE_X86 ? Whats the difference? |
| 16:50.18 | Shaan7 | sorry to mention, compiling in scratchbox |
| 16:50.29 | Shaan7 | s/to/forgot to :P |
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| 16:51.01 | RST38h | A new bill in the US Senate would, if passed, create a "kill switch," allowing for the government to shut down or control parts of the internet. |
| 16:51.19 | timeless_mbp | Shaan7: the n900 is armel |
| 16:51.19 | RST38h | is so tired of satanic laughter that he resorts to evil snickering now |
| 16:51.29 | timeless_mbp | the x86 bit is for doing testing on a normal pc |
| 16:51.34 | timeless_mbp | w/o emulation (of the cpu) |
| 16:51.53 | timeless_mbp | leaves |
| 16:52.08 | GAN900 | RST38h, but it's about hope and new beginnings . . . and hope! |
| 16:52.10 | Shaan7 | timeless_mbp: ok, so If I build a project on X86, it won't work on the device, I've to build it on armel, right ? |
| 16:52.12 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i believe it was supposed to be scoped to gov controlled parts |
| 16:52.18 | timeless_mbp | right. |
| 16:52.30 | Shaan7 | timeless_mbp: thanks :) |
| 16:52.43 | Milhouse | thinks the US government tests their technology on the maemo.org domain... |
| 16:53.04 | RST38h | GAN900: Obviously. I definitely hope to see this antiutopia to its logical conclusion. |
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| 16:53.47 | Milhouse | Onto a more serious subject, USA robbed in the World Cup by the way - shocking referee decision :( |
| 16:53.56 | flailingmonkey | wow. meego went with using bugzilla for all feature requests |
| 16:53.59 | RST38h | Next: Indentured servitude for people unable to pay out their debts. |
| 16:54.16 | flailingmonkey | that was total bullcrap call |
| 16:54.30 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 16:54.34 | RST38h | (is that economically desirable btw?) |
| 16:54.55 | flailingmonkey | sorry, i meant in the slo:usa game |
| 16:54.55 | RST38h | flailing: what is wrong with bugzilla? |
| 16:55.20 | Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3211&hide_resolved=1 |
| 16:55.36 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: exciting though, for a neutral :) |
| 16:56.22 | flailingmonkey | Stskeeps: oo, shiny |
| 16:56.45 | Milhouse | OT, but is anyone planning on producing a MeeGo version for Joggler? |
| 16:56.59 | RST38h | what is joggler? |
| 16:57.09 | Stskeeps | Milhouse: already made, but waiting for EMGD release in july |
| 16:57.18 | flailingmonkey | RST38h: by making a Product for the requests, developers don't need to get spammed about feature request arguments. thats why it will be ok :) |
| 16:57.20 | lcuk | emgd? |
| 16:57.22 | Milhouse | http://gpsobsessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/o2-joggler-tablet.jpg |
| 16:57.51 | Milhouse | Stskeeps - excellent, cheers fella, looking forward to it :) |
| 16:58.09 | Stskeeps | it's like my 3rd priority project, after meego on n900, n8x0 |
| 16:58.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:58.22 | Milhouse | Would be really sweet to have a properly working OS on the thing, bought two just for this purpose! |
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| 16:58.56 | lcuk | Endometrial Glandular Dysplasia (EmGD) ?? |
| 16:59.06 | Milhouse | RST38h: see that link, it's an Intel Atom (1.3Ghz I think) based 800x480 (or maybe 800x400) touchscreen device. GMA500 graphics. |
| 17:00.00 | Stskeeps | .. capactive, too |
| 17:00.06 | Milhouse | Ideal little x86 dev/test box for MeeGo handheld - and only £50 each in the UK. |
| 17:00.22 | crashanddie | Milhouse: is that the O2 stuff? |
| 17:00.45 | Milhouse | Stskeeps - yep, although I can't stand capacitive, am I the only person who uses the back of his finger nail to touch the screen, needless to say this doesn't work on capacitive screens... |
| 17:00.45 | lcuk | EMGd - electromyographic activity of the diaphragm?? |
| 17:01.06 | Milhouse | crashanddie: yep, O2 Joggler (based on the OpenPeak tablet) |
| 17:01.06 | lcuk | no milhouse you arent the only person |
| 17:01.07 | Stskeeps | lcuk: embedded graphics drivers |
| 17:01.25 | lcuk | that helps, ta |
| 17:01.42 | lcuk | someone already has meego on joggler tho dont they |
| 17:01.48 | lcuk | seems to recall it being demoed |
| 17:02.04 | SpeedEvil | Milhouse: there were limited stocks available at 50 - I think it's back up to 100 |
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| 17:03.29 | flailingmonkey | resistive multi touch is what I yern for. then pressure sensitivity like wacom |
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| 17:03.29 | lcuk | multi layer should suffice for that |
| 17:03.29 | Milhouse | SpeedEvil: Possibly, I bought mine when they first went on sale at £50, then they went back up to £100 then I believe O2 did a second round at £50... no idea what O2 are up to, I got the impression they were trying to shift all their stock as they were selling them so cheap. Everyone I knew bought them mainly to put something other than the O2 software on them! |
| 17:03.29 | lcuk | capacitive with a resistive layer underneath |
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| 17:03.33 | Stskeeps | Milhouse: jogglerhacks.blogspot.com :P |
| 17:03.42 | lcuk | like a sandwich made of awesome |
| 17:03.43 | Milhouse | ta :) |
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| 17:03.52 | Milhouse | bookmarked :) |
| 17:03.59 | Stskeeps | and jogglerwiki.info but it's down temporarily |
| 17:04.25 | Milhouse | I did try Ubuntu, and Android but neither were very usable - interesting but not usable. |
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| 17:04.51 | Milhouse | that dvb-t demo is cool though! |
| 17:04.54 | GAN900 | Yo, Milhouse. |
| 17:05.02 | Milhouse | hi general |
| 17:06.20 | GAN900 | flailingmonkey, then you want Stantum |
| 17:06.40 | Stskeeps | Milhouse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWOjZQ8jVE |
| 17:06.45 | GAN900 | We have a long tradition of bad ref decisions in US sports, so it's OK. :P |
| 17:07.01 | Stskeeps | netbook ux though |
| 17:07.05 | GAN900 | thinks the MLB is out to keep the Rays out of first place this season. |
| 17:07.46 | Milhouse | Yeah, really looking forward to the handheld UX - want to use my Joggler as an alpha test unit before putting MeeGo on my N900! |
| 17:07.55 | flailingmonkey | thinks GAN900 is probably right :P |
| 17:09.12 | flailingmonkey | stantum would be cool, but I wonder if phones are going to be where that tech debuts. if used solidly it could be a huge draw |
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| 17:10.00 | Milhouse | Sadly resistive has such a bad rep with the tech bogs such as engadget... |
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| 17:10.21 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 17:10.27 | GAN900 | and people are stupid |
| 17:10.34 | GAN900 | and RDFs are super effective |
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| 17:10.50 | flailingmonkey | ~RDF |
| 17:10.51 | infobot | i heard rdf is Reality Distortion Field, the device Steve Jobs uses to make apple products look more shiny than they really are |
| 17:10.58 | flailingmonkey | love it |
| 17:11.04 | Milhouse | Would love something like the Stantum tech but I think Nokia have caved into the pressure and are going capacitive because it's what is perceived to be better although it has all sorts of drawbacks (like not working with the back of my fingers) |
| 17:11.11 | GAN900 | Milhouse, I was half tempted to order the iPhone 4 with that tasy Cortex A9 and that IPS 960x640 display. |
| 17:11.18 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 17:11.27 | GAN900 | Nokia is a stupid company |
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| 17:11.52 | GAN900 | But capacitive and iOS kill it for me |
| 17:12.06 | flailingmonkey | I think stantum would be nice on something like N900 but I don't know if it would be able to make the most of the tech |
| 17:12.07 | SwedeMike | I prefer capacitive. |
| 17:12.11 | Milhouse | GAN900: You and me both... it's so tempting, but I can't stand the Apple policy. If the company wasn't run by such a complete arse hat I'd by one in the blink of an eye. |
| 17:12.13 | GAN900 | That thing with Maemo and virtual input that doesn't suck, though. . . . |
| 17:12.15 | Surfa | so nokia is stupid but apple is more stupid? |
| 17:12.31 | Milhouse | Surfa - different kinds of stupid :) |
| 17:12.32 | GAN900 | Surfa, Apple's anything but stupid |
| 17:12.33 | lcuk | sigh |
| 17:13.05 | Surfa | GAN900, ios doesn't make them stupid? |
| 17:13.14 | Surfa | what makes company stupid |
| 17:13.17 | Milhouse | Apple: Great execution, insanely restricive policies... Nokia: Insanely bad execution, pretty open policies |
| 17:13.37 | Milhouse | Surfa: OK maybe not stupid, but Jobs is a knbo |
| 17:13.39 | lcuk | look around - we have people working towards porting linux onto different hardware |
| 17:13.43 | Milhouse | s/knbo/knob/ |
| 17:13.47 | lcuk | whos to say we cant just use apple hardware? |
| 17:13.50 | Surfa | Milhouse, depends on what kind of an execution you measure |
| 17:14.11 | SpeedEvil | Milhouse: I think it's an attempt to reate a buzz around them - there were quite limited stocks for the second batch of 50 |
| 17:14.12 | greenfly | why would you want to? because the screen is slightly higher res? |
| 17:14.13 | Milhouse | Surfa: Look back over the last 5 years of Maemo. |
| 17:14.24 | greenfly | wait a month for all the other products that have the same hardware specs or better |
| 17:14.35 | greenfly | I mean didn't iPhone4 finally get a 5mpixel camera? |
| 17:14.36 | Surfa | Milhouse, many measurements would show that apple execution suck big time in many areas :)... |
| 17:14.42 | lcuk | greenfly, im thinking even the older iphones |
| 17:14.53 | lcuk | or n97s or any other smaller hardware |
| 17:14.57 | greenfly | lcuk: for me personally I need a keyboard |
| 17:15.01 | Milhouse | Surfa: Compared to Nokia, Apple execute flawlessly EVERY time. |
| 17:15.13 | lcuk | together in maemo we have done more work and know a metric shitte tonne about making things work in low ceilings |
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| 17:15.38 | lcuk | greenfly, i do too but just look on maemo, people want virtual keyboards for portrait stuff |
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| 17:15.39 | Surfa | Milhouse, not really, still depends on what you would measure |
| 17:15.45 | lcuk | so having a hw keyboard isnt always it |
| 17:15.52 | greenfly | I'm just saying for me |
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| 17:16.00 | Milhouse | Surfa: Sales, hype, end user happiness? |
| 17:16.01 | greenfly | I use this as a portable computer, not as a phone |
| 17:16.05 | lcuk | sure - i didnt see n800 as a real computer |
| 17:16.12 | lcuk | it was only when 810 came out that i changed mind |
| 17:16.19 | Milhouse | Surfa: Whereas with Nokia it's broken promises, misery, failed deliveries etc. |
| 17:16.20 | greenfly | and when the next gen comes out with presumably 1Ghz+, I'll definitely want a keyboard |
| 17:16.28 | Surfa | Milhouse, that's also not tha bipolar.. i for example wouldn't be happy at all as an end user |
| 17:16.36 | lcuk | oooh aghz race |
| 17:16.38 | greenfly | ssh sessions, irc sessions, and mutt all suck w/ a virtual keyboard |
| 17:16.44 | Milhouse | Surfa: Are you new here by any chance? :) |
| 17:16.58 | w00t_ | anyone know much about upstart\/etc/event.d to get things to start at boot time? |
| 17:17.09 | Surfa | Milhouse, i can't see relation to other discussion |
| 17:17.33 | w00t_ | googling around, I found similar to: http://pastebin.com/aucRSJfa |
| 17:17.34 | Milhouse | Surfa: Spend enough time hanging around this project and you'll come round to my way of thinking, I promise it |
| 17:17.39 | w00t_ | but that doesn't seem to cut it. |
| 17:17.41 | greenfly | w00t_: look at the example scripts that are already in there |
| 17:17.53 | greenfly | w00t_: the syntax is pretty straightforward |
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| 17:18.02 | greenfly | you just find the other upstart script that you want to use to trigger yours |
| 17:18.06 | Milhouse | Surfa: Just take Ovi Store as one recent example! ;) |
| 17:18.12 | lcuk | w00t_, does /usr exist then? |
| 17:18.14 | DrIDK | Hi! I m drawing inside a QListWidget using QItemDelegate... I change the row width... But Now the scrolling seems slows... Any idea how resolve it ? |
| 17:18.15 | w00t_ | lcuk: yes |
| 17:18.32 | DrIDK | row height I mean |
| 17:18.33 | lcuk | does your app run at all? (debug / echo lines to check |
| 17:18.41 | w00t_ | lcuk: yes, when I run it manually, it works |
| 17:18.44 | Surfa | Milhouse, no no you got it wrong.. i don't talk about this single project, but hw, marketing, software, details, components all in general |
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| 17:19.01 | lcuk | replace rotatedaemon with echo "wtf" >/stuff.txt |
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| 17:19.08 | lcuk | and see if stuff is there after boot |
| 17:19.12 | Surfa | Milhouse, in some areas apple is better, buut there are many areas that apple really sucks in |
| 17:19.13 | Milhouse | Surfa: OK, and you're saying that Apple execute no worse than Nokia? |
| 17:19.20 | lcuk | just to confirm that everything is accessible |
| 17:19.31 | lcuk | what deps does your app have? |
| 17:19.51 | Surfa | Milhouse, depends on what area execution we talk about :) some areas yes, some areas no |
| 17:19.59 | w00t_ | lcuk: note that hildon-desktop is in /usr/ too, so if it wasn't mounted by then, h-d would never start :P |
| 17:20.03 | w00t_ | lcuk: just X/Qt |
| 17:20.07 | Milhouse | Surfa: I'm sure they do, but the end users RAVE about Apple - end user satisfaction is waaaay high. On this project that's far from the truth, and yet for years we've been promised change that would go towards improving the situation and it's never happened. |
| 17:20.08 | Surfa | Milhouse, both have pros and cons |
| 17:20.30 | lcuk | w00t_, just try that simple little tweak just to remove any ambiguity - once you know that works you can move on |
| 17:20.38 | lcuk | but if its not being triggered you can look elsewhere |
| 17:20.45 | Surfa | Milhouse, imo most of apple hype is just marketing bs and people driving each other for apple praising :) |
| 17:20.47 | GAN900 | Nokia understands neither their customers nor the market. |
| 17:21.12 | Surfa | Milhouse, i do have apple products too, so i kind of know what i'm talking about |
| 17:21.22 | GAN900 | Surfa, look at all of the amazing devices they've brought to market (E70, etc.) that disappear right away. |
| 17:21.26 | Surfa | Milhouse, but of course, thats only my personal opinion |
| 17:21.41 | Milhouse | Surfa: Maybe, but when a new product is announced it arrives on time (more or less), features work as expected, the services are there to back it all up... whereas with Nokia it's delays, buggy features, and Ovi Store. |
| 17:21.46 | GAN900 | Apple knows their customers and they know their market. |
| 17:22.12 | GAN900 | Nokia flails around like a 2-year-old having a tantrum. |
| 17:22.12 | Surfa | GAN900, i have no idea what are you talking about or what i should respond |
| 17:22.34 | Surfa | Milhouse, sure, nokia isn't flawless company, that's not the point, but neither is apple :) |
| 17:23.03 | Milhouse | Ovi Store is a complete disaster, where's Peter to manage the expections? I twittered him but surprise surprise have had no response... |
| 17:23.24 | greenfly | the main thing Nokia is missing compared to Apple is arrogance and hubris |
| 17:23.47 | greenfly | plenty of people praise Apple simply because they fear they'll look ignorant if they don't agree with their design decisions |
| 17:23.47 | Milhouse | Surfa: I'm not suggesting Apple is flawless, but Nokia balls it up far more often as far as I can see, in fact it's pretty much guaranteed. |
| 17:23.57 | w00t_ | http://pastebin.com/CRkfHxqJ hmm. |
| 17:24.42 | Milhouse | greenfly: Plenty of arrogance within Nokia - that's partly how they got into this mess by completely dismissing touchscreen devices. I think arrogance is something they learn in Finnish schools. :) |
| 17:25.17 | Surfa | Milhouse, well, let's hope nokia is improving it's ways |
| 17:25.27 | greenfly | Milhouse: the arrogance doesn't transfer out to the customer, though |
| 17:25.32 | Surfa | they do have given signs that they know that everything is not right |
| 17:25.55 | lcuk | w00t_, so its not being daemonised? |
| 17:25.57 | greenfly | people aren't saying "Well Nokia chose resistive displays, it must be the exact right choice" |
| 17:25.58 | Milhouse | greenfly: Hmm, not sure about that - some on the council may disagree |
| 17:26.00 | greenfly | etc |
| 17:26.06 | lcuk | never used status/stop/start commands b4 |
| 17:26.10 | flailingmonkey | its very difficult to compare nokia and apple as companies |
| 17:26.23 | flailingmonkey | apple is highly focused on a small number of products |
| 17:26.46 | flailingmonkey | nokia has grown to the point that communication is its huge problem |
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| 17:26.58 | Surfa | greenfly, i prefer resistive displays |
| 17:27.06 | greenfly | Surfa: plenty of people do |
| 17:27.07 | Surfa | i wouldn't like to have capacitive |
| 17:27.10 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: agreed, people do often forget the breadth of nokias product range, though I thought they were trying to reduce that (in terms of new products each year?) |
| 17:27.18 | greenfly | but plenty of people simply like capacitive because that's what apple chose |
| 17:27.26 | greenfly | and they fear questioning it |
| 17:27.37 | Milhouse | greenfly: yeah, engadget has a lot to answer for! |
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| 17:27.38 | greenfly | because, again, of the arrogance Apple puts out WRT their design decisions |
| 17:27.54 | Surfa | greenfly, well, let's see how long that apple bs continues.. |
| 17:28.05 | greenfly | remember when it was a feature that the iPod was "simple" and couldn't do things like show your photos or video? |
| 17:28.13 | greenfly | ie. it could only play music? |
| 17:28.15 | Milhouse | greenfly: nah, I think like any other company they just big up their products - of course they're going to say their design choice is the right choice. |
| 17:28.19 | Surfa | personal experiences wouldn't give much future for that either :) |
| 17:28.20 | greenfly | "Genius! Apple is right! Simplicity!" |
| 17:28.38 | greenfly | and that lasted just long enough for apple to catch up to the previous-gen mp3 players with the next iPod that could show photos |
| 17:28.48 | greenfly | but everyone quickly dropped the whole simplicity thing |
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| 17:28.56 | greenfly | because of Apple spun it |
| 17:29.06 | greenfly | same thing could apply today to multi-tasking |
| 17:29.08 | Milhouse | "Multi-tasking done the right way" (ducks) |
| 17:29.14 | greenfly | heh, almost beat me to it |
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| 17:29.30 | lcuk | looks at the channel name and rolls eyes about subject |
| 17:29.37 | Milhouse | The thing is, there's an element of truth in what Apple say - just enough to make it hard to argue with. |
| 17:29.45 | greenfly | so anyway, Nokia doesn't sell their stuff the same way |
| 17:29.54 | Milhouse | greenfly: No, but maybe they should? |
| 17:30.01 | greenfly | people don't fear others will think they are stupid if they disagree w/ nokia |
| 17:30.10 | flailingmonkey | guys, take it to #nokiavsapplerants ok |
| 17:30.21 | lcuk | that i agree with |
| 17:30.26 | greenfly | fair enough |
| 17:30.29 | Milhouse | "Retina display" - sheer brilliance. |
| 17:31.29 | Milhouse | So what we gonna talk about now? ;-) |
| 17:31.38 | flailingmonkey | mods on tmo also need to have official policy of directing those with complaints about Nokia to forum.nokia.com |
| 17:32.21 | flailingmonkey | was there a code name for the OS after harmattan? |
| 17:32.23 | greenfly | me personally, I don't have a complaint, I prefer the n900 and think it's awesome |
| 17:32.24 | Milhouse | Is t.mo.o. a peer of f.n.c? |
| 17:32.28 | lcuk | i know what i would like to talk about |
| 17:32.37 | lcuk | but im off, tis time for tea |
| 17:32.43 | greenfly | I hope they stick to having a hardware keyboard |
| 17:32.43 | flailingmonkey | it is not |
| 17:33.03 | Milhouse | flailingmonikey: shame, a small regular presence would help an awful lot. |
| 17:33.15 | flailingmonkey | Nokia does not run tmo, but they donate some servers and possibly help with costs |
| 17:33.25 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: the regular disappearing acts for long periods of time don't help |
| 17:34.03 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: but's it's the semi-official first point of contact for most Maemo device owners... |
| 17:34.11 | flailingmonkey | it doesn't make sense to expect Nokia to answer questions on Maemo forum. especially when they have their own site for that |
| 17:34.55 | flailingmonkey | I believe maemo.org should have more latitude in releasing information |
| 17:35.11 | Milhouse | f.n.c is just another user forum - rarely is there any official input from nokia that I can tell. in fact there is more on t.m.o, it's just that it's pretty random and when the sh1t hit's the fan it's noticeable by it's absence. |
| 17:35.27 | Milhouse | just check the 50+ page Ovi Store udpate thread |
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| 17:36.14 | DrGrov | Hello everyone |
| 17:36.18 | flailingmonkey | thats a good example. maemo.org group and even Nokia's maemo devices group have no influence on Ovi team |
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| 17:36.45 | flailingmonkey | but Ovi team will hear about threads on forum.nokia.com |
| 17:36.48 | DrGrov | How can it be that the 'appdownloader' is not working very well? It is not refreshing for me. It keeps freezing up when trying to fetch the repositories listing. |
| 17:37.07 | Milhouse | No influence maybe, but since it's impacting their devices surely they can pass the message along or just say "hey guys, ovi team are aware of the issue blah blah". Instead, silence. |
| 17:37.12 | flailingmonkey | why 50 pages are on tmo, is because no one has told them, clearly, to go to nokia forum |
| 17:37.23 | flailingmonkey | its too big a company for that |
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| 17:37.43 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: too big? this is their bread and butter that isn't working... |
| 17:37.46 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 17:37.50 | Milhouse | hello |
| 17:37.59 | greenfly | Milhouse: don't know how much bread or butter they really made off the n900 |
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| 17:38.05 | flailingmonkey | Milhouse: you have a skewed perspective |
| 17:38.11 | PhonicUK | anyone having problems with the Ovi store? |
| 17:38.20 | greenfly | seems they'd give priority to symbian |
| 17:38.29 | Milhouse | greenfly: probably margarine... but if they can't get their services to work reliably, they've got no hope |
| 17:38.38 | DrGrov | Is the Ovi Store actually worth getting working well? I have not found much useful there of late... |
| 17:38.51 | flailingmonkey | and they do. and if symbian users have problem with ovi, they'd go to f.n.c |
| 17:38.51 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: nah, years of watching nokia from afar :) |
| 17:38.54 | greenfly | someone higher up was probably sold the line that if you use something Open Source, "the community" will magically fix things |
| 17:39.04 | PhonicUK | ah nm i was using a custom user agent |
| 17:39.12 | greenfly | sorta like the elves that patch your shoes while you sleep |
| 17:39.17 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: i've used f.n.c. in the past - waste of time (problem with a Nokia N85) |
| 17:39.52 | DrGrov | Nokia keeps making up nice little plans for all kind of services but eventually they are not either working properly or not reliable |
| 17:40.07 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: there's a shed load more N900/Maemo users on t.m.o., it's an officially monitored forum so we've been told so they should be aware of the problems... posting an update wouldn't hurt. |
| 17:41.32 | flailingmonkey | but whos responsible for the update? there is no real stakeholder involvement in tmo from the rest of nokia, and a lot of the threads there address them, and not maemo team |
| 17:41.54 | Milhouse | I do agree, that f.n.c. may be the official forum, and it may be worth posting something there but I would be a lone N900 user with few others to also post and raise it as a serious problem, while a 50+ page thread exists on t.m.o. |
| 17:42.13 | Milhouse | Which forum would you monitor to guage the success of N900 Ovi Store? |
| 17:42.20 | flailingmonkey | you wouldn't be if those threads could be moved to an appropriate place on f.n.c |
| 17:42.39 | Milhouse | Sure, with single sign-on? |
| 17:42.53 | flailingmonkey | something to ask reggie (i think?) perhaps, or even being able to use the same account |
| 17:42.54 | Milhouse | Asking people to register on f.n.c. is a barrier to entry |
| 17:43.09 | flailingmonkey | i agree |
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| 17:43.24 | Milhouse | why is it even necessary? just ask someone from f.n.c. to monitor t.m.o. (if they don't already, we've been told it's monitored) |
| 17:43.25 | DrGrov | brb |
| 17:43.33 | flailingmonkey | better if they could move threads from tmo to fnc :P |
| 17:44.24 | Milhouse | or just a link maybe from f.n.c. to t.m.o. |
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| 17:49.31 | w00t_ | found my problem, needed to export DISPLAY=:0.0 it seems.. |
| 17:49.40 | Milhouse | It's not f.n.c. I was thinking of, it's discussions.europe.nokia.com - the discussions forum is a pure user-to-user forum so pretty useless on the whole. |
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| 17:49.58 | flailingmonkey | aha, always that pesky display |
| 17:50.32 | Milhouse | but it's designed for end users, while f.n.c. is oriented more towards the developer. |
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| 17:51.40 | flailingmonkey | still, it would be a bandaid. I would not be surprised if there is not much help from f.n.c. it is still pointless to have on tmo |
| 17:52.31 | Milhouse | only because Nokia post only when it suits them, never when there is a problem (which has always been the case - head in the sand, ignore the problem until it goes away) |
| 17:53.17 | flailingmonkey | the communication problem is a major one for Nokia, and not because they hate their customers |
| 17:53.33 | Milhouse | I know, but it's been a problem for years! |
| 17:54.06 | Milhouse | Nobody would expect the situation to improve over a period of months, but after years of promises that it will change and... still nothing? gets a bit frustrating! |
| 17:54.40 | flailingmonkey | its a common problem for large companies. it requires taking risk and initiative, and many who work in large companies do not want to "rock the boat" |
| 17:55.18 | Milhouse | Yeah well, it's clearly not working |
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| 17:55.32 | greenfly | Milhouse: it's worked so far |
| 17:55.41 | Milhouse | OK, it's not working anymore |
| 17:55.43 | greenfly | they did the same thing w/ the previous N series and people still bought the latest |
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| 17:55.59 | greenfly | it's just a matter of setting the right expectations |
| 17:56.15 | Milhouse | People have alternatives - they're voting with their wallets. |
| 17:56.38 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 17:56.41 | flailingmonkey | Apple is much smaller, and that gives them an advantage. |
| 17:56.54 | greenfly | presumably when the next N tablet is released many of the same complainers will buy that too |
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| 17:57.21 | w00t_ | evening Venemo |
| 17:57.23 | GAN900 | Kill them all! |
| 17:57.27 | GAN900 | coughs. |
| 17:57.36 | greenfly | because the alternatives still (IMO) suck |
| 17:57.39 | Venemo | how come that I have set "Update automatically" in date&time, but still it is not accurate |
| 17:57.49 | flailingmonkey | Nokia is still selling N900s too. they could do better, but when the status quo is alright, its hard to convince managers to take more risk |
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| 17:57.58 | Milhouse | Maybe, maybe not - MeeGo will be available from others. The great thing about MeeGo is that even if Nokia goes down the toilet, it will survive. |
| 17:58.00 | w00t_ | Venemo: timezone correct too? |
| 17:58.54 | Milhouse | And the markets are slowly turning against Nokia, so change is necessary - the people that matter (stockholders, finance industry) are growing as tired of Nokia as some of us! |
| 17:59.37 | flailingmonkey | I would say that a goal for Nokia is to be more visibile in standing behind their products through their entire lifecycle |
| 17:59.44 | pupnik | I think N8 looks top of the heap for those who want a solid camera, movie player, video cam + phone |
| 18:00.01 | Milhouse | Anyway, my mood hasn't been helped by having two bugs closed in b.m.o. because an anonymous develper didn't even understand the problem - something else that was supposed to change, but hasn't. |
| 18:00.25 | Milhouse | pupnik: yeah, apart from it crashing a lot (apparently, according to recent previews) |
| 18:00.26 | flailingmonkey | anonymous, as in a Nokian, or what? |
| 18:00.53 | Milhouse | flailingmonkey: yes, Andre acts as proxy for the developers |
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| 18:02.10 | Milhouse | one of the long term problems with the maemo bugzilla is the lack of any meaningful public involvement from nokia developers (there are two or three that do what they can, but again it's a bit random) |
| 18:02.22 | pupnik | Milhouse: yes some software has these things called "bugs" during development. Before release. |
| 18:03.02 | Milhouse | pupnik: I know, you just said "solid" :) |
| 18:03.16 | Milhouse | pupnik: Or is that because it's made from aluminium? ;) |
| 18:03.23 | flailingmonkey | he meant you can hold it in your hands, without a container :P |
| 18:04.22 | flailingmonkey | something maemo.org could have done better was secure a liason from Ovi, instead of overloading Maemo Devices Nokians |
| 18:04.23 | pupnik | precisely! |
| 18:06.10 | flailingmonkey | they probably still should. the f.n.c. has no sections for Ovi+Maemo either |
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| 18:14.06 | Venemo | w00t_: yes, timezone is correct |
| 18:16.20 | lcuk | how many devices can play well on a single access point? |
| 18:16.41 | lcuk | and similar - has anyone ever looked at how many can play in adhoc mode |
| 18:17.04 | Stskeeps | only insane people use a network of adhoc devices |
| 18:17.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:17.09 | Milhouse | lcuk: 254? |
| 18:17.11 | flailingmonkey | is adhoc stable on N900 yet? |
| 18:17.33 | lcuk | its been stable for ages |
| 18:17.41 | lcuk | Milhouse, does it actually scale that far |
| 18:17.55 | Milhouse | lcuk: probably depends on the horsepower of you access point |
| 18:18.15 | zash | Milhouse: adhoc .. accesspoint |
| 18:18.15 | zash | what |
| 18:18.32 | lcuk | yeah, but once connected im not thinking highbandwidth |
| 18:18.36 | Milhouse | lcuk: ah but you first asked about an access point :) no idea about ad-hoc |
| 18:18.38 | lcuk | zash, 2 different questions |
| 18:18.39 | lcuk | tho related |
| 18:18.43 | lcuk | adhoc works on buses |
| 18:18.44 | lcuk | ;) |
| 18:18.54 | frals | lcuk: on a single ap i would have to go with "a lot" |
| 18:18.59 | lcuk | aps work for home |
| 18:19.09 | lcuk | frals sure |
| 18:19.18 | zash | oh |
| 18:19.20 | Milhouse | lcuk: what about taxis and trains? |
| 18:19.47 | lcuk | GAN900, ping |
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| 18:21.40 | digitalsurgeon | any way to set wallpapers in maemo ? |
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| 18:22.18 | lcuk | digitalsurgeon, sure just edit desktop and set a different wallpaper |
| 18:22.29 | digitalsurgeon | through API |
| 18:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen vdvsx |
| 18:22.37 | infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 1m 48s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG51, hey'. |
| 18:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen jebba |
| 18:22.57 | infobot | jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 17h 30m 40s ago, saying: 'perhaps just a dbus command will do it'. |
| 18:23.02 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i know valerio isnt online - but i saw GAN900 floating around recently |
| 18:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 18:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | probably busy with wordcount err worldcup |
| 18:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | and jebba is almost nonexistent for maemo recently |
| 18:26.35 | kW_ | Hello! Does anybody know where to disable the "automatic SMS" sent to nokia when initially starting the N900 with a SIM inserted? |
| 18:26.41 | GNU\caus11c | hi! i'm trying to forward a port on my n900 using ssh -D 1080 telephone, but connections using the port won't work |
| 18:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | so we're rather hitting lower limit for ops on devel |
| 18:27.21 | E0x | GNU\caus11c: forward port ? |
| 18:27.27 | flailingmonkey | kW_: try starting with SIM removed, going to MyNokia, unsubscribing, shutting down and inserting SIM |
| 18:27.32 | flailingmonkey | do we think that works? |
| 18:27.35 | E0x | that look the setting for do ssh tunneling |
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| 18:28.02 | GNU\caus11c | yes, it is the tunneling setting |
| 18:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: flailingmonkey: see wiki. it's all in there |
| 18:28.50 | E0x | GNU\caus11c: you config you browser for use sock proxy |
| 18:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: no, that method won't suffice |
| 18:28.53 | flailingmonkey | ~MyNokia |
| 18:28.56 | E0x | and to that port 1080 |
| 18:29.01 | flailingmonkey | bummer |
| 18:29.04 | GNU\caust1c | yes |
| 18:29.24 | GNU\caust1c | i use this method quite often, but it won't work with the n900 |
| 18:29.27 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: could you add a MyNokia factoid to the wiki page? |
| 18:29.38 | E0x | GNU\caust1c: is the n900 connected to internet ? |
| 18:29.44 | GNU\caust1c | yes |
| 18:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: you mean if I could add a factoid with wikipage to infobot? |
| 18:31.02 | flailingmonkey | aye aye |
| 18:31.12 | GAN900 | lcuk, pong? |
| 18:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~MyNokia is a digital robbery courtesy Nokia, or http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 18:31.48 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 18:32.01 | flailingmonkey | does anyone using irssi have it setup to alert them if their nick is used in a message? |
| 18:32.08 | flailingmonkey | *irssi on a N900 |
| 18:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~MyNokia is also https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 |
| 18:33.03 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 18:33.03 | povbot | Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user |
| 18:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~mynokia |
| 18:33.18 | infobot | somebody said mynokia was a digital robbery courtesy Nokia, or http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription, or https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 |
| 18:33.20 | povbot | Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user |
| 18:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | now I just need to make povbot output ~mynokia :-P |
| 18:33.54 | lcuk | GAN900, <<< #maemo-devel |
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| 18:35.07 | GNU\caust1c | E0x: maybe i should use another way, i'm trying to use el-cheapo tethering without using iptables and settings routes etc. is there an easy way? network connection over usb is already working |
| 18:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | GNU\caust1c: talk to SpeedEvil |
| 18:35.56 | E0x | GNU\caust1c: settings routes ? |
| 18:35.58 | SpeedEvil | 0th cut is to use sshd as a socks proxy |
| 18:36.18 | GNU\caust1c | SpeedEvil: thats what i'm trying to do |
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| 18:41.13 | E0x | GNU\caust1c: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/tips/tethering/linux/ |
| 18:41.57 | LiraNuna | my N900 3G reception seems low lately |
| 18:42.00 | Venemo | any ideas why my N900's system time is inaccurate even though I have the "Update automatically" option set? |
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| 18:42.39 | flailingmonkey | How inaccurate |
| 18:42.42 | GNU\caust1c | well, i do not have a ubuntu system which pops up tethering wizzards :) |
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| 18:42.53 | flailingmonkey | a multiple of 30 minutes or? |
| 18:43.27 | E0x | GNU\caust1c: if you have gnome is teh same |
| 18:43.49 | GNU\caust1c | i dont have any desktop environment |
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| 18:47.49 | kW_ | I experience the "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory" error message although I have 19GB free on my rootfs... why does this error happen anyway? |
| 18:48.27 | E0x | GNU\caust1c: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 18:50.06 | E0x | SpeedEvil: so i can't use n900 as socks proxy ? |
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| 18:53.16 | LiraNuna | anyone else is having bad 3G reception? |
| 18:53.45 | LiraNuna | last 4 days I was in LA for E3, and the 3G reception was very very poor, where an iphone always got 3G at 5 bars |
| 18:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: everybody has occasional low signal for 3G |
| 18:54.04 | LiraNuna | I'm speaking 5 days of low signal |
| 18:54.17 | AntiPudding | i need a chinese translator for webcam |
| 18:54.29 | frals | LiraNuna: having thousands more ppl than usually on the same tower usually makes a difference |
| 18:54.47 | LiraNuna | in reception? |
| 18:54.59 | lcuk | frals, he said the other device coped wel hmm |
| 18:55.16 | frals | i assumed he didnt have the iphone with him this time |
| 18:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: that's absolutely like asking your car mechanic via telephone about how to fix that 'clckchrrrkclck" from behind |
| 18:55.29 | LiraNuna | the hype-phone was my friend's |
| 18:55.43 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, I was I could get more info |
| 18:55.53 | lcuk | perhaps hte fix for ihpone was to disable lower bars :D |
| 18:55.55 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, but the phone kept me on edge |
| 18:55.59 | lcuk | and i cant type |
| 18:56.21 | LiraNuna | I tried getting in here to ask and help me debug |
| 18:56.42 | LiraNuna | but whenever I got 3.5G, the connection didn't last for more than 2 minutes |
| 18:56.51 | LiraNuna | I have the same problem at home too |
| 18:57.06 | lcuk | right, so its not just a 3g area |
| 18:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: depends on where you are, which provider you're using, the weather (really! no kidding), occasional problems in the BTS, and a shitload of other parameters |
| 18:57.18 | lcuk | its a 3.5g area - but connection to that isnt as widespread |
| 18:57.32 | lcuk | so its keep trying to upgrade to 3.5g |
| 18:57.38 | lcuk | but having to then fall back perhaps? |
| 18:58.19 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, weather in LA was very very clear - not a single cloud in the sky |
| 18:58.32 | LiraNuna | again, the hype-phone had no trouble getting 3G |
| 18:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | did it use same provider as you did? |
| 18:59.00 | LiraNuna | well no |
| 18:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | see? |
| 18:59.14 | LiraNuna | but when I got 3.5G I got 500kbps no problem |
| 18:59.20 | lcuk | LiraNuna, did iphone get 3.5g? |
| 18:59.20 | LiraNuna | it just kept dropping |
| 18:59.31 | LiraNuna | lcuk, I don't think it supports HSPA+ |
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| 18:59.54 | LiraNuna | anyone else is having reception issues? |
| 19:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes, frequently. |
| 19:00.11 | lcuk | i only have problem connecting sat in a single seat in the dentist waiting room |
| 19:00.23 | lcuk | signal drops to 1 bar of 2g and everything vanishes |
| 19:00.29 | lcuk | but everywhere else its strong |
| 19:00.39 | lcuk | even on the next seat along :D |
| 19:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:00.54 | konfoo | it would not surprise me if the iphone was fudging signal strength |
| 19:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | same here in my pub |
| 19:01.19 | lcuk | mines caused by proximity to xray machine probably |
| 19:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | well maybe |
| 19:02.04 | konfoo | the n900 reception for me in LA is muc better than the iphone ever was |
| 19:02.06 | LiraNuna | http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1597135-N900-Reception-Clear-phone-calls?s=f9c86bf76dd5d8a79e084b7bec5b5f09&p=13296736#post13296736 |
| 19:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | there might be a massive steel plate burried in the wall |
| 19:02.09 | LiraNuna | there's people like that |
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| 19:04.18 | SpeedEvil | E0x: I diddn't say that. |
| 19:04.34 | E0x | SpeedEvil: i am asking you |
| 19:04.37 | SpeedEvil | E0x: ah |
| 19:04.45 | SpeedEvil | E0x: I've never used uusb networking. |
| 19:04.49 | E0x | that kind of chep thering is not posible ? |
| 19:05.07 | SpeedEvil | E0x: In principle, it's possible, as is much. |
| 19:05.26 | GNU\caust1c | SpeedEvil: any idea why it isn't working here? |
| 19:05.37 | SpeedEvil | GNU\caust1c: Because nokia hates you. |
| 19:05.57 | E0x | that is what i thought |
| 19:06.07 | GNU\caust1c | yay |
| 19:06.09 | SpeedEvil | E0x: I note that typing the appropriate 'start ppp' invocation into pnatd when sshd into the phone works. |
| 19:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: congrats to 19GB free on rootfs. You are outperforming everyone by a factor of 80 at least |
| 19:06.18 | SpeedEvil | My ssh-fu is weak. |
| 19:06.49 | SpeedEvil | E0x: It should be quite possible to hook pppd to ssh to pnatd and tether over that |
| 19:06.50 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer: well, apparently, this does not help |
| 19:06.59 | SpeedEvil | E0x: So you're tethering over wifi |
| 19:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | kW_: please do a "df -h /" in xterm |
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| 19:07.31 | SpeedEvil | bc -l |
| 19:07.41 | SpeedEvil | 300+110+50+20 |
| 19:07.46 | SpeedEvil | quit |
| 19:07.51 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 19:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:07.57 | SpeedEvil | I should open my eyes more often |
| 19:07.59 | kW | Does anybody know where "strace" can be found (e.g. in which repository?) |
| 19:08.06 | SpeedEvil | kW: tool |
| 19:08.10 | SpeedEvil | kW: tools probably |
| 19:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | kW: tools repo |
| 19:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, even strace won't give you more than 100MB free space on root, and that'd be even awesome amount of free |
| 19:09.51 | kW | DocScrutinizer+SpeedEvil: thank you |
| 19:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | 19GB free is MyDocs |
| 19:10.20 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, you just need to move root to one of the eMMC partitions... |
| 19:10.25 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1885945 |
| 19:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 19:10.29 | SpeedEvil | It's in one of these repos |
| 19:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:10.50 | kW | SpeedEvil: thank you :-) |
| 19:11.25 | kW | SpeedEvil: "deb http://repository.apple.com/ iphone/apps non-free" is a joke, isn't it? |
| 19:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | rotfl |
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| 19:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | btw you know red-pill mode resurrected? |
| 19:13.30 | kW | what is red-pill mode? |
| 19:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | just in case you'd like to use HAM to do things like installing strace |
| 19:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | or .deb you downloaded |
| 19:14.20 | GNU\caust1c | is there a manual somewhere how to configure tethering manually? |
| 19:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | kW: it's basically the expert mode of HAM |
| 19:14.40 | nextime | uhmm |
| 19:14.57 | nextime | the mobilehotspot package set the wifi in ad-hoc mode |
| 19:15.12 | valdyn | GNU\caust1c: manual? for what? |
| 19:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, what else could it do? |
| 19:15.21 | nextime | is there any particular reason to don't set it to be a real ap? |
| 19:15.24 | valdyn | GNU\caust1c: or are you not talking about usb tethering? |
| 19:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | chip won't support it |
| 19:15.38 | GNU\caust1c | i am talking about usb tethering |
| 19:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 19:16.00 | valdyn | GNU\caust1c: it just works, your pc just needs to use the modem ( =n900 ) |
| 19:16.10 | nextime | DocScrutinizer: mumble, by setting it manually with iwconfig it seem to b working |
| 19:16.19 | nextime | not yet really tryed it anyway |
| 19:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 19:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | I could be wrong here |
| 19:16.48 | GNU\caust1c | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:16.55 | lcuk | do we have time lapse apps pre built for maemo? |
| 19:17.05 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yes |
| 19:17.10 | lcuk | supposing i wanted to take a photo every30 seconds? |
| 19:17.12 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=714386#post714386 |
| 19:17.24 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I had some stupid script to do that with gstreamer |
| 19:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | no SO stupid |
| 19:17.45 | lcuk | i dont want some stupid script - im thinking properly packaged usable etc |
| 19:17.48 | SpeedEvil | The above TMO post is wpa_supplicant |
| 19:18.01 | lcuk | ponders pyqt |
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| 19:18.05 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah - many things weren't perfect |
| 19:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: fails for really stupid camera-ui |
| 19:18.18 | SpeedEvil | well - wpa_supplicant and friends nextime |
| 19:18.22 | SpeedEvil | may be useful for you |
| 19:18.27 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, I'm not sure that I know what you mean with "HAM" :-) |
| 19:18.32 | kW | (I'm still new to the platform...) |
| 19:18.37 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, not interested in camera ui |
| 19:18.39 | nextime | oh no ok |
| 19:18.41 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can rip out the camera |
| 19:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | kw appmanager |
| 19:18.43 | nextime | it support monitor mode |
| 19:18.51 | nextime | but not master |
| 19:18.53 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: and replace your own |
| 19:18.56 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i can take photos and streams |
| 19:19.09 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: A nice camera would be awesome |
| 19:19.17 | SpeedEvil | The existing one is full of fail. |
| 19:19.46 | lcuk | ? the only thing missing for me is torch icon |
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| 19:21.01 | SpeedEvil | I want to be able to alter camera settings without opening sjutter, I want GPS not to be pointlessly inaccurate, I want it to have the option not to try to connect to the internet, and simply iuse the GPS poistion without looking up the name online, I want to have it go automatically to 'night mode' in dark environments. |
| 19:21.06 | SpeedEvil | Offthe top of my head. |
| 19:21.13 | nextime | sad that we can't set up in real ap mode |
| 19:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the problem is camera-ui and cameradaemon are always active preloaded, and take the whole triggering and focusing etc exclusively (the buttons) and you can't control it via dbus or whatever |
| 19:21.19 | SpeedEvil | I want circle zoom to work |
| 19:21.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that's not quite true |
| 19:21.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you can redefine the button names away from theones its expecting. |
| 19:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, also for lens slider? |
| 19:22.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | ok then |
| 19:22.27 | SpeedEvil | I have however forgotten to bookmark the TMO post where this was outlined. |
| 19:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | then you 'just' need to reprogram / reinvent the whole shit |
| 19:22.43 | SpeedEvil | What was that awesome-looking camera thingy |
| 19:22.44 | lcuk | camera settings outside the shutter are mmmnnnh |
| 19:22.53 | lcuk | gps is surely as accurate as it is when you use it |
| 19:23.15 | lcuk | if you do a quick NOW gps it wont be as accurate as if you have gps tracking/maps open and accurate position anyway |
| 19:23.19 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Nope. |
| 19:23.21 | lcuk | night mode would piss off many people |
| 19:23.29 | lcuk | who have finger near sensor at opening time |
| 19:23.37 | lcuk | circle zoom would be cool |
| 19:23.43 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It truncates the GPS reading to a second of arc. (around 4m north-south |
| 19:23.57 | SpeedEvil | 30m |
| 19:23.58 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 19:24.01 | SpeedEvil | not 4m |
| 19:24.06 | SpeedEvil | 4m would be barely acceptable |
| 19:24.32 | SpeedEvil | bug 6584 |
| 19:24.33 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) |
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| 19:24.45 | SpeedEvil | Makes - for example - tagging plants in my garden hard. |
| 19:24.50 | kW | Did anybody of you experience that "Conversations" does not want to run? |
| 19:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 19:25.31 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, agreed about camera res, didnt realise it was like that |
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| 19:26.09 | kW | well, it simply starts, needs some seconds, and then stops |
| 19:26.12 | kW | without an error message |
| 19:26.28 | kW | when running dbus-monitor, I get "string "type='signal',sender=':1.20',path='/org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Connection/ring/tel/ring',interface='org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Connection',member='ConnectionError'"" |
| 19:26.55 | E0x | ConnectionError |
| 19:27.27 | kW | (well, among many other DBus-messages) |
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| 19:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | sounds pretty much like modem has connectivity issues (well phone actually), and for any odd reason conversations doesn't want to start without coverage |
| 19:28.50 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, thanks for pointer about gps |
| 19:29.03 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: In principle it's simple to hack round. |
| 19:29.14 | lcuk | yeah sure |
| 19:29.28 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: dbus-monitor - with a little script that looks at the position, and looks for new files appearing, and rewrites the EXIF. |
| 19:29.32 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 19:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | kW: though in tablet modus it starts here, but says "need online mode" when I click "new SMS" |
| 19:30.11 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, I do not get even to a "new SMS" button :-( |
| 19:30.22 | SpeedEvil | I think connection eerror is not saying it is haveing a connection over the air problem, but I can't talk to telepatyhy |
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| 19:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | try flight mode or tablet mode and see if it szarts then |
| 19:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | possible |
| 19:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | d-bus connectio error |
| 19:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | to rule that out I suggest to try flightmode |
| 19:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy d-bus API is a nightmare |
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| 19:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm not even wondering why it says "ring/tel/ring" |
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| 19:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | And I think nameless d-bus senders should be outlawed and punished with at least 5 years windows servicing |
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| 19:35.32 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to adapt spamasassin for d-bus |
| 19:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | not to implement a d-bus api, but to filter d-bus msgs ;-P |
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| 19:37.10 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, how do I actually put the phone into flight mode? |
| 19:37.14 | SpeedEvil | kW: |
| 19:37.30 | SpeedEvil | Hold down the power button, and press 'offline mode' |
| 19:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | kW: push power button shortly |
| 19:37.35 | kW | ah |
| 19:37.37 | SpeedEvil | wel - press |
| 19:37.54 | kW | ah, that workw |
| 19:37.56 | kW | ah, that works |
| 19:38.18 | kW | ...to the extent that I now cannot access the phone using WLAN ;-) |
| 19:38.24 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:38.45 | lcuk | wonders what kind of offline mode it would be if it didnt actually take offline |
| 19:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, works - if you got such a thing like power button ;-P |
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| 19:39.13 | kW | well, but even in flight mode, the "Conversations" app does not start properly... |
| 19:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | kw, that's what tablet mode is for. It's an addon app though that installs that button |
| 19:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | kW: ok, then you got another problem |
| 19:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | s/another/a different/ |
| 19:41.58 | kW | ok, maybe I sum up what is apparently wrong: Notes: "Internal error. Application 'Notes' closed.", E-mail: "Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory", Conversations: just silently starts and finishes |
| 19:42.19 | SpeedEvil | is your / full? |
| 19:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, or db corrupt |
| 19:42.40 | SpeedEvil | sighs at the stupid conflation of all forms of storage into 'memory' |
| 19:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | kW: df -h / !!! |
| 19:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | and df -h ~ |
| 19:44.08 | kW | DocScrutinizer: "rootfs 21.1G 1.2G 18.9G 6% /" |
| 19:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?! |
| 19:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | easydebian? |
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| 19:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | please post the output of mount |
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| 19:45.29 | flailingmonkey | kW: have you been playing with your partitions again :P |
| 19:45.39 | kW | http://pastebin.com/Cn0Ugacr |
| 19:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'd expect to see "permissions not supported on this fs. error on creating file" -> notifier "storage full" |
| 19:46.10 | kW | no, as I said, I changed the partition layout of the eMMC and put the root on a partition there (having read all the fuss about / having just 0.25GB...) |
| 19:47.21 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, this is stock ext3... |
| 19:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | I see. cool setup |
| 19:47.51 | kW | the old (copy) is on /mnt/boot |
| 19:49.13 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, I fear that there is some weird check somewhere which checks "well, the rootfs is already 1.9GB in size, so the filesystem is full" |
| 19:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | don't think so |
| 19:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | that'd be too weird |
| 19:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | but I actually wonder how you boot such setup |
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| 19:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | seems you'd have to pass a root= parameter to kernel cmdline |
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| 19:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | which NOLO won't do afaik |
| 19:51.25 | kW | DocScrutinizer: no, since PR1.2, I can add a bootmenu |
| 19:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 19:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | even since 1.1.1 |
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| 19:51.42 | kW | DocScrutinizer: in the bootmenu, I mount the partition and chroot into it |
| 19:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe the chroot is the problem then? |
| 19:52.09 | kW | (actually, I even ask the user to supply a password to unlock the decryptet partition) |
| 19:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | some file handles still open to old root? |
| 19:52.47 | kW | DocScrutinizer: the output of "lsof | grep /mnt/boot" is empty |
| 19:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, was about to suggest something along that line |
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| 19:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea |
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| 19:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | probably strace actually is your best bet |
| 19:53.47 | kW | well... maybe the amount of free space does _overflow_? |
| 19:54.36 | flailingmonkey | hmm |
| 19:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think there is any explicit check for free space. It just tries to create or open files |
| 19:54.43 | flailingmonkey | that would be silly, but I can't rule it out |
| 19:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | and if that fails you get error "no space" as there's obviously no other possible reason the file operation could fail |
| 19:55.48 | SpeedEvil | strace is awesome |
| 19:56.40 | kW | well, modest' last d-bus call is "dest=org.gnome.GnomeVFS.Daemon serial=57 path=/org/gnome/GnomeVFS/Daemon; interface=org.gnome.GnomeVFS.Daemon; member=GetVolumes" |
| 19:56.55 | kW | so maybe modest parses this output and decides that something is wrong|missing |
| 19:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | you bet they got hardcoded pathnames or something odd in there |
| 19:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | anyway modest is open |
| 19:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | so gdb would be even better than strace |
| 19:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 19:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not |
| 19:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | org.gnome.GnomeVFS.Daemon, blarrrrgh |
| 19:59.37 | SpeedEvil | I'd _love_ a seperate repository. |
| 19:59.51 | SpeedEvil | So that every repository had a _debug repository too |
| 20:00.04 | SpeedEvil | so you could just do apt-get install modest-debug |
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| 20:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | that'd be a pkg though, not a separate repo |
| 20:00.39 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 20:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, that would be the way to do |
| 20:01.27 | SpeedEvil | To quote - `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' |
| 20:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | and yet another pkg for the docs |
| 20:02.27 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 20:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | move those out of 'user' category if you feel better |
| 20:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | so they won't show up in HAM |
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| 20:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | <quote name=Nokia>We don't need that!</quote> |
| 20:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | bet a buck |
| 20:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | kW: please keep us updated on results of your enterprise. It look really attractive |
| 20:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | even better than separate partitions for /usr and /var :-D |
| 20:06.38 | SpeedEvil | kW: Also - benchmarks |
| 20:06.45 | SpeedEvil | kW: Time to boot, ... |
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| 20:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | time to boot is a good benchmark, and we all have the standard to compare the numbers |
| 20:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | though I have to admit I have not the slightest idea how long a standard system takes to boot |
| 20:08.03 | kW | DocScrutinizer+SpeedEvil: sure, but first it has to work _at all_ ... and it does not currently (but I believe this is only because I've inserted a SIM card yesterday...) |
| 20:08.27 | SpeedEvil | kW: Can you pick if you boot off / or /mmc? |
| 20:08.37 | SpeedEvil | strace in both caces would be educational. |
| 20:08.58 | SpeedEvil | Busybox with the bootchart compiled in might also be interesting. |
| 20:09.07 | SpeedEvil | adds it to the stack of stuff to try compiling. |
| 20:11.38 | kW | SpeedEvil: well, I just boot from the mmc, but the bootmenu allows to boot from the internal NAND flash (as usual) |
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| 20:14.51 | kW | by the way: do you also have a "/home/user/.signon" directory which is actually owned by root (and not user)? |
| 20:15.49 | SpeedEvil | .signon: |
| 20:15.50 | SpeedEvil | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Jun 18 20:35 . |
| 20:15.50 | SpeedEvil | drwxr-xr-x 110 user users 4096 Jun 18 14:30 .. |
| 20:15.50 | SpeedEvil | -rw-rw-rw- 1 user users 2195 Jun 18 20:35 user_db.xml |
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| 20:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | seems someone thinks it's not a good idea to rename or delete user_db.xml |
| 20:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | well, scratch that |
| 20:19.41 | SpeedEvil | Ah - cunning |
| 20:19.53 | SpeedEvil | user_db.xml is what format would you guess? |
| 20:20.00 | kW | guys, I've found the problem! |
| 20:20.11 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:20.22 | kW | The script to actually add encrypted swap was not run for some reason |
| 20:20.28 | kW | thus, I had no swap |
| 20:20.34 | kW | and literally no memory (in RAM) |
| 20:21.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | encryped swap, omg |
| 20:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | swap file? |
| 20:22.05 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, data on the phone contains thousand of passwords... with the possibility to make many companies bankrupt within 5 minutes... |
| 20:22.13 | kW | no, it is a partition |
| 20:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably a file would be easier to handle |
| 20:23.03 | kW | not necessary, the scripts needed for this are already written |
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| 20:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok |
| 20:23.25 | kW | (although I had to hack them because the command "blockdev" is not available on maemo... or is it?) |
| 20:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | the bottleneck isn't the (de)crypt but the mem-bus anyway |
| 20:24.19 | kW | well... in some tests, I was able to make "kcryptd" eat 80% CPU |
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| 20:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe not only encrypt but also cmpress same time might actually speed up things considerably |
| 20:24.46 | LiraNuna | ok this is just weird |
| 20:25.02 | LiraNuna | if I turn on my N900, I get 5bar 3G signal that turns into 3.5G once a connection is made |
| 20:25.28 | kW | LiraNuna: what's weird with this? |
| 20:25.33 | kW | DocScrutinizer: yes, maybe |
| 20:25.50 | LiraNuna | after 2 minutes of doing absolutely nothing, the 3.5G connection drops to 3G (I know it happens if no data is transfered) then gradually drops the bars until it reaches 2.5G full |
| 20:25.59 | LiraNuna | please note: the phone is standing still |
| 20:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | that's *absolutely* normal |
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| 20:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | except maybe the 2.5G part |
| 20:26.39 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, why? |
| 20:26.53 | LiraNuna | the phone is still and reporting full 3.5G connection |
| 20:27.04 | LiraNuna | T-mobile's site reports HSPA+ is available too |
| 20:27.05 | kW | DocScrutinizer: I'm also considering using the internal NAND as fast storage for frequently used applications (however, this requires tamperproofness: that is, nobody should be able to inject a "sniffer" into the unencrypted flash storage, e.g. by flashing this storage, without the user noticing this... but such a way of tamperproofness is required in general...) |
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| 20:28.05 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, the N900 shows 5 bars, dropping a bar every 2-3 seconds, until it reaches one bar, then swaps to full 2.5G |
| 20:28.08 | LiraNuna | how is that normal? |
| 20:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: nope, this isn't 'reported' - this is negotiated whenever you actually try to transmit data. So 3.5 will show up only if you have data traffic |
| 20:28.23 | LiraNuna | yes I know about that part |
| 20:28.36 | LiraNuna | I don't mind about the 3G/3.5G as much as the 2.5G drop out |
| 20:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-18 22:26:39] <DocScrutinizer> except maybe the 2.5G part |
| 20:29.10 | LiraNuna | is anyone experiencing same issues? how can I debug this? |
| 20:29.24 | valdyn | LiraNuna: just means you have bad reception |
| 20:29.40 | valdyn | LiraNuna: bars drop only as soon as you actually use the connection |
| 20:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | kW: md5sum |
| 20:29.57 | kW | DocScrutinizer: but not on every boot... |
| 20:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | won't be another way to get is safe |
| 20:30.20 | LiraNuna | valdyn, but I can use the connection just fine for ~2 minutes |
| 20:30.30 | LiraNuna | I actually get decent speed (~300kbps) |
| 20:30.49 | LiraNuna | the phone doesn't move a centimeter |
| 20:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: UL orDL? |
| 20:30.57 | LiraNuna | DL |
| 20:31.02 | valdyn | 300kbps decent? |
| 20:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | that's really no decent speed |
| 20:31.09 | kW | DocScrutinizer: hmm... but maybe on every boot is actually not bad... this would require some kernel-level support: store cryptographic checksums for every _block_ of the NAND device |
| 20:31.10 | LiraNuna | is it too low? |
| 20:31.24 | valdyn | LiraNuna: thats nearly as slow as 2G |
| 20:31.27 | kW | DocScrutinizer: and on (first) loading, compare this to a pre-loaded list of checksum |
| 20:31.28 | kW | DocScrutinizer: and on (first) loading, compare this to a pre-loaded list of checksums |
| 20:31.35 | LiraNuna | ok let me rephrase |
| 20:31.37 | LiraNuna | 300KB/s |
| 20:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: and probably when trying to send the BTS detects it can't hear you and then reports that fact to the phone, so the bars drop |
| 20:32.04 | kW | the pre-loaded list of checksums would consume just about 512KB of RAM |
| 20:32.20 | valdyn | LiraNuna: but cant explain that part |
| 20:32.22 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, it happens everywhere |
| 20:32.35 | LiraNuna | I live in SF, and I had the same symptoms in LA |
| 20:33.17 | valdyn | LiraNuna: what about switching to 3G where your phone cant switch? |
| 20:33.32 | valdyn | LiraNuna: ( theres an applet for that ) |
| 20:33.35 | LiraNuna | says "Cellular data not available" for 2 seconds |
| 20:33.39 | LiraNuna | then full 3G reception |
| 20:33.42 | kW | Different-question: does anybody know how to add some script to the boot sequence? Adding a link to "/etc/rc2.d" does not seem to be enough |
| 20:33.44 | LiraNuna | yes, I'm using it |
| 20:33.49 | LiraNuna | but I don't want to switch manually! |
| 20:34.02 | valdyn | LiraNuna: that message you do get when switching manually, that's ok |
| 20:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | kW: it's upstart |
| 20:34.28 | LiraNuna | valdyn, manually it works fine |
| 20:34.33 | LiraNuna | but I want it to be done automatically |
| 20:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | kW: means, I've got no idea, except there's a folder 'events.d' or something |
| 20:36.32 | LiraNuna | valdyn, are my symptoms normal? |
| 20:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: what's your provider? |
| 20:36.57 | valdyn | LiraNuna: no, im not getting these switches to 2G when the reception is fine |
| 20:37.04 | LiraNuna | T-mobile |
| 20:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:37.30 | AntiPudding | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/06/18/152254/Sleeping-iPhones-Send-Phantom-Data |
| 20:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you should actually visit Nokia care center and ask them about it |
| 20:37.54 | valdyn | LiraNuna: theres alot of things american network operators can do that would not be possible in europe though |
| 20:38.11 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, the "upstart" keyword is probably enough :-) |
| 20:38.18 | valdyn | LiraNuna: ( i cant tell if they dont intentionally switch you to 2G |
| 20:38.35 | valdyn | ( or if that is even possible ) |
| 20:38.38 | LiraNuna | the carrier can force me switch? |
| 20:38.57 | LiraNuna | +to |
| 20:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it can, from 3G to 2G |
| 20:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think the other way round is possible |
| 20:39.46 | LiraNuna | anyone else here is on T-mobile? |
| 20:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: though honestly I see similar effects here when I'm in areas of poor coverage |
| 20:41.21 | kW | DocScrutinizer: regarding boot-time-benchmarking, where is the methodology explained? |
| 20:41.27 | LiraNuna | I am NOT in a poor coverage |
| 20:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | or when I'm holding right edge of the phone while typing |
| 20:41.35 | LiraNuna | I'm in SF, the whole town has 3 |
| 20:41.36 | LiraNuna | 3G* |
| 20:42.42 | greenfly | depending on where you are in SF you could get bad coverage |
| 20:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | kW: first approach: swirch on and start stopwatch. wait till desktop is fully rendered and stop stopwatch |
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| 20:42.54 | greenfly | plenty of clubs/bars where all carriers fail in the city |
| 20:43.14 | LiraNuna | greenfly, you're on T-mobile/SF? |
| 20:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | greenfly: my point |
| 20:43.42 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, I just booted, after pressing "return", it probably took about 60 seconds until my jabber account sign on sound was played |
| 20:44.03 | greenfly | LiraNuna: yeah, but right now I'm not in SF |
| 20:44.26 | LiraNuna | my connection constantly drops to 2.5G |
| 20:44.35 | lcuk | kW, what apps do you have on startup? and many wdgets? |
| 20:44.41 | LiraNuna | unless I "force" it to be 3G, which will then work fine |
| 20:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, as mentioned above I don't have correct recent values for a stock kernel and rootfs boot, but that sounds not that unbearable |
| 20:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | kW: ^^^ |
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| 20:45.01 | LiraNuna | it's the "dual" mode that fails |
| 20:45.03 | greenfly | LiraNuna: I've seen it happen |
| 20:45.16 | greenfly | both on my n900 w/ tmobile and my BB Bold, on ATT |
| 20:45.43 | LiraNuna | it's annoying as the N900 doesn't "upgrade" connection if possible when I actually want to use it |
| 20:45.52 | kW | Icuk: well, the USB-power-connection to my laptop makes the N900 create the appropriate message "Connected to USB device", then the jabber client is online, and a SIM card is inserted (with PIN removed), and Wifi is active |
| 20:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | kW: could you check if the device starts to charge proper when switched off connected to charger, please? |
| 20:47.49 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, it is not unbearable for me, especially as I do not plan to switch it off or reboot it anyway... is regular rebooting required or forced (e.g. crashes)? |
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| 20:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:48.20 | kW | DocScrutinizer: how can I determine this? the battery is fully charged currently... |
| 20:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 20:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | well, a green LED would be a good sign |
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| 20:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | a yellow blinking one as well |
| 20:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | probably this will fail on your device anyway, as it needs to boot up system in 'play_dead mode', and aiui that would require you to enter the password |
| 20:50.33 | Stskeeps | ACTDEAD ;) |
| 20:50.41 | kW | DocScrutinizer: "aiui"? |
| 20:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf aiui |
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| 20:50.52 | LiraNuna | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/motorola-droid-2-gizmodo.jpg |
| 20:50.57 | LiraNuna | this looks familiar... |
| 20:51.08 | LiraNuna | now where did I see this before |
| 20:51.21 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, I do not think it will fail, because in the boot menu, booting from the encrypted partition is the _second_ menu item, the _first_ is booting as usual... including the "act dead" mode, I suppose |
| 20:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 20:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 20:51.57 | Arkenoi | so no navi sensor anymore? idiots. |
| 20:54.48 | LiraNuna | anyone has a solution to why my service is being degraded? if I set it to 3G mode, it works like a charm |
| 20:55.53 | lcuk | LiraNuna, nope, but file a proper bug and for most reasonable thing i suggest locking to 3g as you said it works? |
| 20:56.13 | LiraNuna | lcuk, but when I'm out of 3G coverage, it won't give me service *at all* |
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| 20:58.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk: in liqbase, what was it exactly you were passing around? 800x480 RGB-what? |
| 20:58.36 | lcuk | LiraNuna, i wouldnt know how to begin to diagnose your problem - it could be specifically area related - and since most people dont have same trouble you will have to file and see if anything can be done |
| 20:58.37 | Stskeeps | or was it YUV |
| 20:59.09 | lcuk | resolution isnt important stskeeps, but its yuv planar |
| 20:59.24 | lcuk | and its not were - it is |
| 20:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: that's your carrier's config of their GSM/UMTS network, they don't like to have a device on their towers that doesn't proerly speak to the basestation, so they force you down to 2G. I'd guess |
| 21:00.22 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, if that was the case, I wouldn't get 3G if I force the phone to use it |
| 21:00.28 | lcuk | Stskeeps, what you pondering |
| 21:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: yes you would |
| 21:01.25 | kW | DocScrutinizer: it is 64 seconds from enter to the "Connected to USB device" message |
| 21:01.36 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, then again, if that was the case, I wouldn't be the only one reporting it |
| 21:01.50 | Stskeeps | lcuk: GLES performance on N8x0 possibilities |
| 21:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: networks are complex, the tower tells your phone it *should* prefer 2G, and if your phone says I cant do that, then you'll simply stay on 3G |
| 21:02.23 | lcuk | Stskeeps, there was talk of an RGB xvideo mode |
| 21:02.37 | LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, anyway to debug what the tower "says" ? |
| 21:02.38 | lcuk | but that the patch existed tho was not integrated i believe |
| 21:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: I suggested previously you should visit a Nokia care center. You might have a defect antenna |
| 21:03.45 | LiraNuna | oh, I might've missed that |
| 21:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: nope, not for usual mortals |
| 21:03.46 | lcuk | Stskeeps, it theoretically could slide under the tearing limit on n810 |
| 21:03.46 | lcuk | for full resolution 800*480 |
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| 21:03.57 | lcuk | i would have to dig up my notes, it was ~18 months ago i heard about it |
| 21:04.43 | Stskeeps | mm, not xv specifically |
| 21:04.48 | lcuk | something about specific desktop graphics cards also support this video mode |
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| 21:05.02 | lcuk | yeah Stskeeps |
| 21:05.06 | Stskeeps | just pushing frames manually |
| 21:05.09 | lcuk | remembers the conversation clearly |
| 21:05.13 | lcuk | as i do most things :P |
| 21:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | until konttori comes comes up with the service mode for cellmo |
| 21:05.16 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:05.34 | Stskeeps | there's this OMAPFB_UPDATE_WINDOW thing that allows to send parts of the framebuffer to the LCD chip |
| 21:05.38 | MohammadAG | gives up on disassembling his PS3 controller |
| 21:05.45 | MohammadAG | damn spring broke, somehow |
| 21:05.53 | lcuk | ok Stskeeps you are thinking lower than xvideo |
| 21:06.02 | nextime | need to find some time to setup the developement environment to package apps for maemo |
| 21:06.05 | lcuk | the omapfb/lcd hardware on 810 technically supports it |
| 21:06.08 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 21:06.25 | lcuk | but the driver needs massaging to let you send the data |
| 21:06.33 | lcuk | and have it shown correctly |
| 21:06.33 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's only 16Mbytes ROM, how hard can dissasembly be? :) |
| 21:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | ARM I suppose |
| 21:06.53 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, *rolleyes* |
| 21:06.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:07.08 | SpeedEvil | catches the eyes, and rolls them back. |
| 21:08.11 | lcuk | Stskeeps, if the mode can be gotten to work, another possibility exists |
| 21:08.18 | lcuk | lower resolution xv |
| 21:08.24 | lcuk | say - 640*480 |
| 21:08.44 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 21:09.30 | lcuk | negligable resolution reduction, ~20 boost |
| 21:09.34 | lcuk | 20% |
| 21:09.46 | lcuk | its something i showed worked in liqbase |
| 21:10.01 | lcuk | load original one onto 810 and see, you can dynamically alter res |
| 21:11.17 | Stskeeps | people scale up 720x576 video to 800x480 or how was it? |
| 21:11.39 | lcuk | xv supports arbritary resolution, so yeah |
| 21:11.47 | lcuk | you can tell it any res and it will stretch to fit |
| 21:11.50 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 21:12.42 | lcuk | the only thing xv wont do at the moment is rotate |
| 21:12.58 | lcuk | if the device is in portrait it still shows at 480*480 max |
| 21:13.05 | lcuk | will not do a full 800*480 |
| 21:13.09 | lcuk | works great on x86 tho |
| 21:13.34 | Macer | hm |
| 21:13.50 | Macer | think my neighborhood is being electric hogs |
| 21:13.52 | lcuk | its hard to boil down an example though |
| 21:14.00 | Macer | power keeps messing up |
| 21:14.00 | lcuk | because theres no drawing tools to draw on xv |
| 21:14.06 | lcuk | without having to include liqbase |
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| 21:14.47 | ultrasparc-viii | Hi all, anyone know if vpnc works on the N900 |
| 21:14.58 | nextime | happy to see that vlc have a freemantle repository |
| 21:15.08 | ultrasparc-viii | I didn't see a download for Maemo5 section, only os2008 |
| 21:16.21 | SpeedEvil | ultrasparc-viii: Is this a commandline program - some trivial browsing would inficate it is |
| 21:16.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ ? |
| 21:17.04 | ultrasparc-viii | vpnc is a cli program for initializing vpn connections with cisco vpn concentrators |
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| 21:17.38 | nextime | ultrasparc-viii : maybe ou can try to download it from standard debian armel repository, can't you? |
| 21:17.40 | ultrasparc-viii | maybe I can compile it to work on maemo5 |
| 21:17.46 | SpeedEvil | yes, proably |
| 21:17.54 | lcuk | ultrasparc-viii, give it a blast! |
| 21:17.58 | ultrasparc-viii | yeah I'll give that a go - the debian method is probably easiest since apt will resolve deps |
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| 21:18.00 | nextime | http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/v/vpnc/ |
| 21:18.08 | ultrasparc-viii | I had it working on my n800! |
| 21:18.16 | ultrasparc-viii | :) |
| 21:18.22 | ultrasparc-viii | just ordered the n900 |
| 21:18.32 | SpeedEvil | Congrapulations. |
| 21:18.34 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/vpnc/ |
| 21:18.36 | lcuk | ahem |
| 21:18.38 | lcuk | ^^ |
| 21:18.41 | nextime | ops :P |
| 21:18.43 | lcuk | done |
| 21:18.50 | lcuk | thank till |
| 21:18.54 | ultrasparc-viii | lcuk: thanks :) |
| 21:19.09 | lcuk | its directly in extras :) |
| 21:19.20 | lcuk | when you get your device and get o nnet its available at first attempt |
| 21:19.45 | lcuk | ops no :p |
| 21:19.47 | lcuk | its in -devel |
| 21:19.53 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/products/ |
| 21:19.55 | SpeedEvil | interesting |
| 21:20.29 | nextime | needs to do some rtfm on the maemo sdk and/or if there is any particular needs for put online a maemo specific deb repo |
| 21:20.40 | LiraNuna | what speeds do you guys get on 3G (not 3.5G) with your N900? |
| 21:20.51 | nextime | other that usual things to cross compile for armel i mean. |
| 21:20.52 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, afaik it's a list sorted by the number of apps you maintain |
| 21:20.59 | MohammadAG | LiraNuna, 1MB, or so |
| 21:21.02 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I know |
| 21:21.16 | SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: 3G is limited to 64K as I understand it. |
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| 21:21.39 | LiraNuna | I can't seem to get above 300KB/s |
| 21:21.43 | SpeedEvil | Till v-tec kicks in. |
| 21:21.48 | LiraNuna | is considering a reflesh |
| 21:21.50 | SpeedEvil | 64kbits |
| 21:22.14 | SpeedEvil | 3.5 should be automatically switched to, to give higher speed as required |
| 21:22.26 | SpeedEvil | I get 150kbytes/s or so from the sofa |
| 21:22.28 | LiraNuna | right, I understand that |
| 21:22.39 | LiraNuna | oh nice |
| 21:22.46 | AntiPudding | pictures speedevil running like a cat to the sofaa |
| 21:23.18 | SpeedEvil | continues lying on the sofa. |
| 21:23.23 | nextime | looks at the dog sleeping near the door |
| 21:23.41 | SpeedEvil | is exhausted - done way too much rimming today. |
| 21:24.08 | SpeedEvil | Pile of resultant stuff is around the size of a small car. |
| 21:24.19 | SpeedEvil | s/ri/tri/ |
| 21:24.33 | jacekowski | LiraNuna: 300k is quite good for 3.4g |
| 21:24.38 | jacekowski | 3.5 |
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| 21:24.50 | LiraNuna | I've seen people report several megabytes |
| 21:24.59 | jacekowski | nope |
| 21:24.59 | nextime | mumble |
| 21:25.00 | jacekowski | megabits |
| 21:25.11 | nextime | nominally 3.5G here is a lot more fast |
| 21:25.12 | LiraNuna | well, I get 0.3mbit |
| 21:25.15 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:25.19 | jacekowski | you get 3Mbits |
| 21:25.30 | LiraNuna | speedtest.net shows 0.3mbit |
| 21:25.43 | jacekowski | dont trust it |
| 21:25.57 | LiraNuna | wgets a file from a high-speed server |
| 21:26.00 | Surfa | if you get 300KB/s then it's 3Mbits |
| 21:26.00 | SpeedEvil | I only use kernel.org |
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| 21:27.32 | jacekowski | LiraNuna: try jacekowski.org/big_file |
| 21:27.38 | nextime | uhmm |
| 21:27.43 | nextime | where is the pipe on the kb? |
| 21:27.45 | jacekowski | that's only server i trust |
| 21:27.55 | LiraNuna | jacekowski, I got a server too on 1gbit fiber network |
| 21:28.07 | LiraNuna | but I can try yours too |
| 21:28.31 | jacekowski | and what sort of signal do you have? |
| 21:28.42 | LiraNuna | shows 3.5G 4 bars |
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| 21:28.50 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:29.07 | SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: you are also throttled by contention |
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| 21:29.28 | jacekowski | well, thing is that 3g seems to slow down a lot unless you have all bars |
| 21:29.31 | SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: If you are the only one next to a 3G tower, your speed will be lots better than if there are 500 people browsing youtube |
| 21:30.24 | lcuk | ways to tell: student digs where users cannot install hardline broadband == lots of wireless 3g happening |
| 21:30.28 | Noma | i've had 550KB/s with 3.5G :) |
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| 21:30.45 | LiraNuna | I'm getting 10KB/s now |
| 21:30.53 | LiraNuna | 15KB/s |
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| 21:31.05 | jacekowski | move your phone to the window |
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| 21:31.21 | LiraNuna | I'm right next to an open door |
| 21:31.41 | jacekowski | doors |
| 21:31.42 | vldcnst | put your hand in the air |
| 21:31.46 | jacekowski | doors != window |
| 21:31.48 | greenfly | wave it like you don't care |
| 21:31.49 | LiraNuna | like I just don't care? |
| 21:32.26 | LiraNuna | if I go outside I get 20kbps |
| 21:32.28 | LiraNuna | KB/s |
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| 21:32.40 | yigal | If i wantg a stable system do I want to install pr 1.2? |
| 21:32.53 | LiraNuna | yigal, 1.2 is stable |
| 21:33.01 | LiraNuna | I had no crashes/weird issues since installing |
| 21:33.08 | SpeedEvil1 | Me neither. |
| 21:33.14 | SpeedEvil1 | Well - that's not quite true. |
| 21:33.16 | yigal | Sweet |
| 21:33.22 | LiraNuna | well, except that reception issues, but I think that's a HW issue |
| 21:33.22 | yigal | Oh? |
| 21:33.25 | SpeedEvil1 | But none that were probably not triggered by me doing wierd shit |
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| 21:33.55 | jacekowski | battery life seems to be worse on 1.2 |
| 21:34.03 | SpeedEvil1 | Disagree personally |
| 21:34.15 | SpeedEvil1 | not seeing a change |
| 21:34.16 | LiraNuna | battery life seems awesome with 1.2 |
| 21:34.26 | LiraNuna | I got 11hours of extensive usage yesterday |
| 21:34.36 | LiraNuna | GPS left and right, web browsing |
| 21:34.57 | SpeedEvil1 | web over wifi? |
| 21:35.01 | lcuk | LiraNuna, i tohught gps gave a 3d position? :p |
| 21:35.07 | lcuk | so not just left and right |
| 21:35.08 | LiraNuna | no, 3G/2.5G |
| 21:35.24 | LiraNuna | SpeedEvil1, was driving from LA to SF |
| 21:35.36 | yigal | Ok are instructions in FAQ of maemo.org for upgrade, or where? |
| 21:35.37 | LiraNuna | with frequent stops and excessive GPS usage |
| 21:35.39 | jacekowski | you were driving and browsing? |
| 21:35.47 | LiraNuna | I was a passenger |
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| 21:36.50 | AntiPudding | i am a passenger |
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| 21:41.25 | nextime | ok |
| 21:41.30 | nextime | from here in G3.5 |
| 21:41.39 | nextime | i can download at 500KB/s |
| 21:41.52 | lcuk | ok im out for a while |
| 21:41.58 | lcuk | gnite #maemo \o |
| 21:42.07 | nextime | ( trying wget on ftp.de.kernel.org ) |
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| 21:42.19 | nextime | night lc |
| 21:42.21 | nextime | uk |
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| 21:49.49 | nextime | is there any alternative sip client other than the default one that one can suggest on fremantle |
| 21:49.59 | nextime | ? |
| 21:50.20 | nextime | ( as the default one can't make calls without a registrar server ) |
| 21:51.20 | satmd | you could install asterisk locally, couldn't you? |
| 21:53.14 | nextime | satmd : of course i can |
| 21:53.34 | nextime | but i think it is a bit too heavy to use asterisk as a client :) |
| 21:53.44 | nextime | anyway, this is a possible work around, yes |
| 21:53.54 | satmd | if the sip client does not register, it won't get incoming calls |
| 21:53.59 | satmd | unless it has a static ip |
| 21:54.08 | nextime | satmd : i have a dynamic dns :) |
| 21:54.34 | nextime | satmd : and also a static ip via vpn if really needed :) |
| 21:54.43 | satmd | :) |
| 21:56.32 | nextime | using the gui to create new connections |
| 21:56.35 | nextime | it doesn't let me create two different hsdpa config with two different apn |
| 21:56.46 | nextime | bad thing. |
| 21:58.23 | flailingmonkey | you want to add another apn? |
| 21:58.44 | flailingmonkey | get fAPN |
| 21:58.49 | flailingmonkey | :) |
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| 21:59.16 | flailingmonkey | i bet harmattan has MMS integrated care of frals |
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| 21:59.36 | Speedevil | http://techbuket.net/i-had-to-hammer-it-in-27.html |
| 22:00.04 | nextime | flailingmonkey : goof point, it is in apt? |
| 22:00.09 | nextime | yes, it is. |
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| 22:04.46 | KMFDM | Speedevil, that is teh funny |
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| 22:08.02 | nextime | is trying sip over hsdpa over vpn |
| 22:08.23 | marmoute | and it's a bit laggy maybe ? |
| 22:08.28 | jacekowski | jitter is probably closing on infinity |
| 22:08.32 | nextime | marmoute : i will say in few minutes |
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| 22:09.09 | nextime | theorically if you have less than 400ms of ping it is reasonable |
| 22:09.27 | jacekowski | well, it's jitter that kills |
| 22:09.51 | nextime | jacekowski : yep, but i hope to find an acceptable setup |
| 22:10.00 | jacekowski | so you have like 200ms in one direction |
| 22:10.02 | nextime | as my connection is very cheap if you don't use voip |
| 22:10.10 | jacekowski | with 400ms buffer for jitter |
| 22:10.12 | nextime | so, the only one way to use voip without pay too mutch |
| 22:10.17 | nextime | is to pass it inside a vpn |
| 22:10.18 | nextime | :) |
| 22:10.52 | jacekowski | one of things that suck about voip ( sip ) is that it's not encrypted |
| 22:11.16 | nextime | jacekowski : autmagically i get it also encrypted with openvpn :P |
| 22:11.54 | nextime | jacekowski : anyway, there are both rtps, sip-tls and zrtp |
| 22:12.01 | nextime | so, is there a wat to encrypt it |
| 22:12.06 | nextime | *way |
| 22:12.25 | nextime | sip-tls and zrtp are the best couple in my personal opinion |
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| 22:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not necessarily jitter kills. It depends on your client's jitterbuffer |
| 22:18.43 | jacekowski | yeah - it requires jitterbuffer |
| 22:19.04 | jacekowski | so you have 200ms delay + probably twice as much for jitterbuffer |
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| 22:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: zrtp encrypts, but obviously both ends need to support it |
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| 22:20.29 | Speedevil | Also - PTT is much less jitter important |
| 22:20.40 | Speedevil | Hmm. |
| 22:20.44 | Speedevil | That would be interesting. |
| 22:20.50 | Speedevil | A VOIP-PTT app |
| 22:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 22:21.54 | nextime | uhmm |
| 22:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest TCP-SIP/RTP then |
| 22:22.37 | nextime | why are browser, osso-addressbook and hildon-something processes listening on TCP ports to 0.0.0.0? |
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| 22:23.15 | Speedevil | nextime: that means they will listen for connections on any interface |
| 22:23.29 | Speedevil | What port |
| 22:23.41 | nextime | Speedevil : i know what it mean, i'm asking why they ask on 0.0.0.0 |
| 22:24.00 | nextime | s/ask/bind |
| 22:24.04 | Speedevil | dbus? |
| 22:24.22 | nextime | Speedevil : isn't 127.0.0.1 enough |
| 22:24.23 | Speedevil | I'm unsure if dbus is using tcp or nx socket |
| 22:24.23 | nextime | ? |
| 22:24.32 | kW | Is any SyncEvolution developer here? |
| 22:24.46 | nextime | osso-conn 1251 user 20u IPv4 61657 TCP *:39501 (LISTEN) |
| 22:24.47 | nextime | browser 1445 user 21u IPv4 61699 TCP *:39502 (LISTEN) |
| 22:24.52 | nextime | hildon-st 1123 user 33u IPv4 61636 TCP *:39500 (LISTEN) |
| 22:25.00 | nextime | those three ports |
| 22:25.16 | wassup | yo, does anyone have a crack for the Sygic navigation soft? |
| 22:25.16 | kW | oh, that's cool... some security holes? ;-) |
| 22:26.10 | nextime | kW : i don't think they are vulnerable to something, but listening without the need to listen from external connection is bad pratice :) |
| 22:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | wassup: warning |
| 22:26.19 | flailingmonkey | wassup: this channel won't help you crack sygic |
| 22:26.32 | wassup | ok....chill |
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| 22:26.53 | flailingmonkey | mostly developers here |
| 22:27.34 | wassup | I respect that but I was under the impression this was an open source community. |
| 22:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | wassup: 2nd warning |
| 22:28.05 | wassup | what did I do ???? |
| 22:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | /join warezzz |
| 22:28.20 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, I think "I respect that but I was under the impression this was an open source community." is a legitimate provocation ;-) |
| 22:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 22:28.41 | nextime | mumble |
| 22:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | a silly provocation |
| 22:28.55 | silbo_ | hey |
| 22:29.00 | wassup | Just asking questions....no |
| 22:29.01 | nextime | i can't find a configuration file where to restrict those listening port to 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:29.12 | flailingmonkey | wassup: you're basically implying that open source communities are populated with pirates and criminals |
| 22:29.22 | GAN900 | wassup, provoke-the-geeks-into-doing-what-you-want fail. |
| 22:29.22 | Speedevil | I can supply a crack for only 70 euro! |
| 22:29.25 | Speedevil | :) |
| 22:29.31 | wassup | I'm not impying anything |
| 22:29.37 | wassup | implying |
| 22:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | just stfu! |
| 22:29.55 | flailingmonkey | (even if the laws involved aren't very just) |
| 22:30.01 | nextime | wassup : for your information, usually open source community are against piracy |
| 22:30.02 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, legitimate in the sense that it might be responded with with discussion, not necessarily with sanctions :-) |
| 22:30.19 | nextime | wassup : why you need to pirate something if it is open source? |
| 22:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | no, that's really too errr, stupid |
| 22:30.38 | flailingmonkey | usually, they want to create legal alternatives to paying |
| 22:30.48 | wassup | But Sygic soft is not open source right? |
| 22:31.08 | nextime | wassup : so, it doesn't fit on open source community |
| 22:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | wassup: right, and the developers are in this channel |
| 22:31.10 | kW | wassup: well, do you know a license for Sygic soft? |
| 22:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | so... |
| 22:31.50 | wassup | I just wanted to try the soft and then buy it, is that wrong? |
| 22:31.59 | luke-jr | wassup: the open source community is very much against copyright infringement |
| 22:32.00 | nextime | anyway, i'm the only one that care about listening ports? |
| 22:32.11 | Speedevil | wassup: The ovi store has a preview version |
| 22:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | so go to ovi and download the trial version |
| 22:32.13 | luke-jr | wassup: open source is based on copyright; we take infringement very seriously |
| 22:32.18 | Mousey | yep, that's wrong |
| 22:32.33 | Speedevil | nextime: Work out what the ports are first |
| 22:32.33 | Mousey | to answer the question |
| 22:32.46 | flailingmonkey | Speedevil: he got the ports? |
| 22:32.47 | nextime | Speedevil : i know what processes open it |
| 22:32.50 | kW | nextime: no, I also think that ports should be restricted (e.g. just bind to "::1") or protected (e.g. bind to "::", but have a firewall) |
| 22:32.58 | nextime | but i don't know what those processes do exactly |
| 22:33.20 | luke-jr | flailingmonkey: open source has nothing to do with "legal alternatives to paying" either FWIW |
| 22:33.26 | nextime | kW : if i can't find a way to restrict those ports i will use iptables |
| 22:33.29 | Speedevil | nextime: strace, tcpdump, ... |
| 22:33.29 | luke-jr | flailingmonkey: I'm all for selling open source software |
| 22:33.55 | wassup | I find it very ironic that out of all people you open source advocates would be the defenders of copyright. A little bit hypocritical are we not? |
| 22:33.56 | luke-jr | flailingmonkey: as is anyone who is really part of the community ;) |
| 22:34.02 | nextime | Speedevil : of course i'm trying with tcpdump but apparently no traffic on external interfaces |
| 22:34.08 | luke-jr | wassup: again, open source is *based on copyright* |
| 22:34.22 | nextime | Speedevil : i'm asking cause maybe here someone know what those processes do |
| 22:34.30 | luke-jr | wassup: and while we may be opposed to copyright in principle, we also uphold the law |
| 22:34.46 | kW | nextime: you can do "tcpdump -ni lo" |
| 22:34.49 | wassup | You guys want to have your cake and eat it too. |
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| 22:35.02 | flailingmonkey | luke-jr: indeed, I should have mentioned I was going from open source to "free software" |
| 22:35.11 | GAN900 | open sores |
| 22:35.13 | flailingmonkey | different, but related |
| 22:35.17 | nextime | kW : i know, but i don't care on what they do, i assume that they are needed on localhost |
| 22:35.33 | nextime | i want to find where to config those things to listen only on localhost |
| 22:35.34 | nextime | :) |
| 22:35.42 | kW | luke-jr: well, that's not necessarily true for everybody here... ;-) I do not uphold the law to not ride a bike in the inner city between 11am and 8pm ;-) |
| 22:35.54 | kW | nextime: sure... |
| 22:36.18 | luke-jr | flailingmonkey: there is indeed a difference, but I am speaking more from the free software side :) |
| 22:36.47 | luke-jr | kW: I think for the free software community in general, we are fairly united on upholding copyright where it is law |
| 22:37.31 | luke-jr | at least for software |
| 22:38.02 | kW | luke-jr: well, maybe as for the community, not necessarily as for (many) individuals |
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| 22:38.50 | luke-jr | kW: I find copyright infringers of software tend to be people who use (illegal copies of) proprietary software |
| 22:39.14 | flailingmonkey | the most important free in free software is freedom to use/modify/change |
| 22:39.22 | kW | luke-jr: sure, infringing open source licenses as a private person is much more difficult to achieve ;-) |
| 22:39.41 | luke-jr | kW: not much, actually |
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| 22:40.11 | luke-jr | but intentional infringement of free software licenses tends to be big companies who think they can just strong-arm anyone |
| 22:40.21 | luke-jr | eg, Linksys, Nokia, nVidia |
| 22:40.29 | luke-jr | Nokia at least got their act together |
| 22:40.38 | luke-jr | Linksys just settled without really complying |
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| 22:40.53 | luke-jr | nVidia just gets away with it cuz everyone's too scared of the infamy they'll get from suing |
| 22:41.08 | flailingmonkey | i believe the term is "admitted no wrongdoing" *rollseyes* |
| 22:41.34 | luke-jr | flailingmonkey: hm? |
| 22:42.07 | greenfly | finally realized why my BT keyboard wasn't working with the n900 after all this time... it only supports SPP ... |
| 22:42.27 | kW | luke-jr: well, do you mean it is easy to infringe open source licenses as a private person? maybe you would copy binary software without copying the source... ;-) |
| 22:42.34 | greenfly | and I guess there isn't a serial keyboard mechanism on the n900 |
| 22:42.58 | luke-jr | kW: publishing binaries without sources |
| 22:43.17 | luke-jr | when all you do is build a binary from publicly available code, you don't usually think of posting a copy of the source |
| 22:43.20 | kW | greenfly: well, there is a serial port AFAIK... |
| 22:43.37 | greenfly | I'm able to pair it as an rfcomm device |
| 22:43.53 | luke-jr | kW: also, technically the GPL requires you distribute the compiler binaries as part of the "source" if it isn't included with the OS IIRC |
| 22:43.56 | greenfly | but I suppose some other component is missing that would then cause keypresses to register |
| 22:44.06 | luke-jr | Windows doesn't include compilers, but nobody bothers to distribute them with bins |
| 22:44.24 | greenfly | I think the n8xx had a special program kbbd or something for this |
| 22:44.29 | greenfly | at least from what I read |
| 22:45.15 | kW | luke-jr: well, AFAIK the GPL also allows you as a publisher to just "offer" the source code and deliver it upon request |
| 22:45.29 | luke-jr | kW: yes, but then you're required to honour it for N years |
| 22:45.34 | luke-jr | which means you need to keep track of it :) |
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| 22:46.03 | nextime | ok |
| 22:46.07 | nextime | issue solved |
| 22:46.08 | nextime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.08 | nextime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.09 | nextime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.10 | nextime | :P |
| 22:47.46 | opdf2 | anyone in the USA find a dumb car USB charger that works with N900 without shorting pins? |
| 22:47.49 | kW | luke-jr: sure... but if nobody demands the source code (and especially as a private person, you can have a bet on this), then there's no problem... and if someone demands the source code, they can either practically (although technically not satisfying the request) be redirected to the original source (where the publisher got it from), or sue for technically satisfying the request... usually it is not worth the court proceedings... |
| 22:48.05 | opdf2 | I mean in a retail store, I need to pick one up tonight |
| 22:48.22 | kW | nevertheless, different question: Does anybody know how to programmatically access the contacts database? |
| 22:48.35 | opdf2 | I found two in Microcenter, but they're only 500mA |
| 22:48.50 | kW | opdf2: well, I just thought about an active USB hub... |
| 22:49.23 | opdf2 | I need something for the car |
| 22:50.26 | flailingmonkey | opdf2: 500mA is fast charge |
| 22:50.31 | luke-jr | kW: actually, they can't sue |
| 22:50.39 | luke-jr | kW: the original author would need to sue ;) |
| 22:50.48 | Speedevil | kW: they can if they are an original author. |
| 22:50.50 | opdf2 | well I guess it really isnt 500mA because the battery level never changes |
| 22:51.02 | kW | luke-jr: well, AFAIK the receiver of the binary copy can sue, can't she? |
| 22:51.06 | luke-jr | no |
| 22:51.12 | luke-jr | the receipient has no legal status |
| 22:51.13 | Speedevil | was pondering submitting some bit of code to the kernel, as it'd be easier. |
| 22:51.25 | flailingmonkey | it's not their copyright thats being infringed |
| 22:51.28 | flailingmonkey | so no |
| 22:51.30 | luke-jr | Speedevil: I think I have a patch going in 2.6.36 ;) |
| 22:51.38 | luke-jr | Speedevil: but it's too trivial to claim copyright on, I'm afraid |
| 22:51.42 | kW | luke-jr: why not, she has a binding contract, defined by the "license" |
| 22:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | kW: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API |
| 22:52.07 | luke-jr | kW: the contract is between each Copier and the Author |
| 22:52.15 | luke-jr | kW: someone who doesn't make a copy has no contract |
| 22:52.24 | luke-jr | someone who makes a copy only has a contract with the author |
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| 22:52.54 | Speedevil | luke-jr: What is it? |
| 22:53.03 | luke-jr | Speedevil: trivial bugfix for p54spi on N8x0 |
| 22:53.10 | Speedevil | ah |
| 22:53.27 | Speedevil | well - that'd only be compiled on n8x0 - so it won't apply to most |
| 22:53.47 | Speedevil | I'd like to port mergemem into a recent kernel. |
| 22:53.51 | Speedevil | But - ... |
| 22:54.05 | Speedevil | Core VM stuff is not a good place to start kernel hacking. |
| 22:54.33 | Speedevil | Simply as mergemem strikes me as a good match to n900 - as n900 has a hardware hash unit |
| 22:55.34 | kW | luke-jr: well, maybe this particular issue depends on local law interpretation... If person B is bound by a contract stating "Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software |
| 22:55.35 | kW | interchange", then this binding can be, by the virtue that it requires B to perform "for any third party", enforced by any such third party |
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| 22:58.22 | luke-jr | Speedevil: mergemem is already mainline... afaik |
| 22:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | kW: but then you as 3rd party have to prove the copier actually has agreed in such contract. And that is in the domain of the original author who linked his work to the contract |
| 22:59.05 | luke-jr | kW: how do you know the Copier distributed under the GPL? ;) |
| 22:59.17 | luke-jr | he may have negotiated a new license with the Author since that time |
| 22:59.20 | Speedevil | luke-jr: it's not |
| 22:59.23 | luke-jr | excusing him from the source requirement |
| 23:00.19 | kW | DocScrutinizer: sure, I have to prove this... but some software publishers using GPLed software actually go the way of performing this offer (e.g. on their website) |
| 23:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | kW: the original author might have negotiated special conditions for the copier, allowing him to use the OA's work in a way different to the GPL |
| 23:00.20 | Speedevil | luke-jr: the ksm - which is in some ways similar - is mainline. |
| 23:00.24 | vanadismobile | hai, is it possible to run mono/.net on maemo? |
| 23:01.32 | flailingmonkey | i don't know if anyone has compiled it |
| 23:01.54 | flailingmonkey | but I would see if there is an arm version compiled somewhere |
| 23:02.03 | vanadismobile | hmm, k |
| 23:02.33 | luke-jr | Speedevil: same thing afaik |
| 23:02.45 | vanadismobile | http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo |
| 23:02.47 | luke-jr | Speedevil: unless mergemem is the patented implementation |
| 23:03.23 | kW | DocScrutinizer: sure, but if person C gets the binary software from person B _and_ knows that it (that particular software copy) is GPLed, then person C can probably enforce this... judges may construct an inversion of evidence: "As the software _seems_ to be GPLed, person B must show it is not, or person B is bound by the GPL, or person B has infringed copyright, as per default, no software-copy without explicit author-agreement is regarded as legal (within |
| 23:03.23 | Speedevil | luke-jr: it's not - mergemem used hashes. |
| 23:03.24 | kW | certain limits)." |
| 23:03.32 | Speedevil | luke-jr: which is the patented apprach |
| 23:03.39 | Speedevil | luke-jr: And in some ways superior. |
| 23:03.48 | luke-jr | and KSM doesn't? |
| 23:03.50 | Speedevil | luke-jr: no |
| 23:04.50 | luke-jr | kW: even then, Recipient is only likely to be awarded his original purchase cost for damages |
| 23:05.38 | Speedevil | turns Faithless up to 11. |
| 23:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | kW: granted |
| 23:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | kW: you noticed the link? |
| 23:07.25 | kW | DocScrutinizer: you mean the address book API? yes :-) |
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| 23:09.20 | kW | luke-jr: depends on the jurisdiction... some jurisdictions know awarding a performance order... where the defendend has to perform (something different than paying money) or face daily penalties (e.g. pay money) |
| 23:10.36 | kW | DocScrutinizer: what I was more thinking of was some possibility to convert a given list of contacts into a format readable by the phone... |
| 23:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | kW: hmm, try vcard batch file |
| 23:11.58 | kW | DocScrutinizer: is there N900 software which imports batches of vcard files? |
| 23:12.00 | Speedevil | kW: That would be awesome! 'You have to get all plaintiffs breakfast in bed every morning for the next year'. |
| 23:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | it's one file with a batch of vcards |
| 23:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 23:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, iirc the contacts app has a menu for that |
| 23:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | or was it settings-sync? |
| 23:13.52 | kW | Speedevil: well, the court has to assess performability when awarding such an order |
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| 23:17.28 | AntiPudd1ng | i have to say, i really like motorola's styling sometimes .. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/15/exclusive-motorola-droid-x-preview/ |
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| 23:22.01 | tgalal | could someone point me out to why the SDK fails to install on ubuntu lucid? here is where the error starts http://pastebin.com/jm015aTr |
| 23:23.39 | MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK |
| 23:23.40 | infobot | maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 23:23.42 | MohammadAG | read the 10.04 notes |
| 23:24.53 | tgalal | great thank a lot |
| 23:25.02 | tgalal | thanks* |
| 23:25.14 | Arkenoi | AntiPudd1ng, no qwerty? sucks. |
| 23:25.26 | MohammadAG | thank him, not me http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=636394&postcount=8 |
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| 23:30.27 | nextime | uhmm |
| 23:30.28 | nextime | not so bad |
| 23:30.30 | nextime | 8 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 23:30.30 | nextime | round-trip min/avg/max = 183.442/202.846/255.554 ms |
| 23:30.30 | nextime | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# |
| 23:30.57 | nextime | my asterisk server from the n900 over hsdpa inside an openvpn tunnel |
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| 23:31.10 | nextime | voip is working good |
| 23:32.19 | Joey_Snowprano | Anyone know how to stop the N900 from continuous reboot? I just flashed the eMMC and then the firmware and it is just rebooting over and over |
| 23:33.19 | Joey_Snowprano | From what I was reading online people said flashing it fixed it for them. Not for me lol |
| 23:34.44 | vanadismobile | Joey_Snowprano, flash it again |
| 23:34.48 | Joey_Snowprano | ok |
| 23:35.02 | kW | Different question: how can I make the LED color different dependent on whether any message is pending to be read? |
| 23:35.02 | Joey_Snowprano | does the order matter? emmc then firmware or no? |
| 23:36.01 | vanadismobile | why are you flashing emmc? |
| 23:36.47 | Joey_Snowprano | because i reflashed the firmware first and it didn't fix the continuous reboot |
| 23:38.35 | kW | Joey_Snowprano: press the 'U' key while it is rebooting |
| 23:39.06 | Speedevil | kW: Umm... mce |
| 23:39.42 | Speedevil | kW: I would give you more information, but, my network connection is currently going at 128kbits, and my n900 is updating repo list. |
| 23:40.24 | DrIDK | How do you call desktop widget ? |
| 23:40.33 | kW | Speedevil: hmm... well, the LED thing is not on the top priority list... but syncing contacts between N900 and some linux PIM package is... is this possible? |
| 23:42.07 | Speedevil | no clue |
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| 23:50.38 | Joey_Snowprano | Ot goes Nokia screen...ugh |
| 23:53.20 | Psi | just saw the google CL thing on slashdot, hopefully it will get to n900 :) |
| 23:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | kW: what's with LED? |
| 23:55.39 | Joey_Snowprano | I have reflashed several times now and the N900 won't stop rebooting |
| 23:55.53 | Psi | i take it you have removed the battery for 30sec |
| 23:56.03 | Joey_Snowprano | Yeah |
| 23:56.14 | kW | DocScrutinizer: well, if I get a message by jabber, I think it would be fine if the LED actually indicated that a message is waiting |
| 23:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | Joey_Snowprano: if it doesn't stop rebooting, how did you flash anyway? |
| 23:56.33 | Joey_Snowprano | holding U when turning it on |
| 23:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | Joey_Snowprano: ok |
| 23:56.39 | Joey_Snowprano | then used the flasher program |
| 23:57.00 | Joey_Snowprano | this reboot cycle isn't showing the 5 circles/dots like the previous one was |
| 23:57.12 | Joey_Snowprano | it's just nokia screen, vibrate, blank, repeat |
| 23:57.39 | nextime | mumble |
| 23:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like weak battery |
| 23:57.46 | Psi | Joey_Snowprano: got a usd card in the slot? might be a good idea to remove it |
| 23:57.53 | Psi | sim too |
| 23:57.54 | nextime | doesn't understand why over vpn ping is working one way |
| 23:58.02 | Joey_Snowprano | haven't tried removing sim |
| 23:58.07 | nextime | ( but tcp connection work both way ) |
| 23:58.12 | Joey_Snowprano | but i took the microsd card out |
| 23:58.17 | Psi | hm.. |
| 23:58.27 | Joey_Snowprano | regarding weak battery it was fully charged this morning |
| 23:58.31 | Psi | not much else i can think of but doing a FULL reflash that actually erases everything |
| 23:58.38 | Psi | i forget what its called |
| 23:58.39 | Joey_Snowprano | halfway through day it was way lower then normal |
| 23:58.58 | Joey_Snowprano | buttons stopped working, blue led kept flashing but I had no new message |
| 23:59.09 | Joey_Snowprano | couldn't power it off only touch screen worked |
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| 23:59.25 | Joey_Snowprano | had to remove battery and put back in to get it boot up properly |
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| 23:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | so now you flashed with empty battery ? |
