| 00:01.00 | SpeedEvil | no need |
| 00:01.09 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: works fine |
| 00:01.45 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, was that "no need" for me? |
| 00:02.06 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: yes |
| 00:02.15 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: if you do it that way, you don't need to hold u |
| 00:03.47 | kakashi_ | but it still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." |
| 00:04.03 | SpeedEvil | What exactly did you do that made it not boot? |
| 00:04.53 | kakashi_ | I tried to use apt-get --fix-install python-2.5 |
| 00:05.07 | kakashi_ | instead of installing, it removed a lot of stuff |
| 00:05.18 | kakashi_ | and then suddenly switched off |
| 00:05.31 | kakashi_ | then I tried flashing it |
| 00:05.37 | kakashi_ | it actually worked the first time |
| 00:05.56 | DocAvalanche | is your battery charged up next to full? |
| 00:06.08 | Venemo | good night guys |
| 00:06.09 | kakashi_ | I am not sure about the bettery charge |
| 00:06.12 | Venemo | see you tomorrow |
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| 00:06.28 | kakashi_ | battery* |
| 00:06.54 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: do you see yellow flashing indicator when you plug in the switched off device to wallcharger? |
| 00:06.58 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: and when exactly is that condition going to expire? |
| 00:07.02 | kakashi_ | yes |
| 00:07.09 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: never |
| 00:07.17 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: formal protest |
| 00:07.52 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, actually what happens when I connect is it keeps on giving a buzz sound and vibrates for a fraction of a second and the light blinks |
| 00:07.56 | DocAvalanche | infobot karma wars are deprecated in this channel (actually in every channel I know of) |
| 00:07.56 | infobot | wars are deprecated in this channel (actually in every channel i know of) has neutral karma |
| 00:08.33 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, and yes, it is the yellow flash |
| 00:08.53 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: I understand that, and I won't be using it anymore. I don't like being conditioned like that, tho. |
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| 00:08.54 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: let it charge until light changes to steady green |
| 00:09.37 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: noticed |
| 00:09.52 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: conclusion? |
| 00:09.56 | DocAvalanche | none |
| 00:09.58 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, so after it turns green I reflash ? |
| 00:10.05 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: informal protest! |
| 00:10.20 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: yes |
| 00:10.47 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: <DocAvalanche> keep away from infobot karma concept! everybody! |
| 00:11.12 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, but why does it keep giving a [buzz+vibrate] for a fraction of a second? any ideas? |
| 00:11.30 | DocAvalanche | this is an arbitrary channel police. If you don't like it, complain at channel owner |
| 00:11.55 | kakashi_ | every 10 seconds I have a [buzz+vibrate] combo |
| 00:12.11 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: that's really bad |
| 00:12.21 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: alright. who needs karma anyway. |
| 00:12.23 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: it will drain your battery |
| 00:12.32 | kakashi_ | uh! |
| 00:13.04 | kakashi_ | but the yellow light means that it is getting charged, right? |
| 00:13.54 | kakashi_ | so is there a chance of it getting fully charged with the [buzz+vibrate] active? |
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| 00:16.32 | DocAvalanche | no, it will *drain* your batery |
| 00:16.44 | vldcnst | kakashi_: buzz + vibrate most probably means it's trying to boot into something, and from what I noticed that draws a lot of current from the battery, maybe the usb port won't supply enough power to actually charge the battery, if it's even charging in that state. |
| 00:16.48 | DocAvalanche | probably |
| 00:17.03 | konfoo | guys anyone have an idea what gstreamer pipeline qik is using for streaming video? |
| 00:17.06 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: exactly |
| 00:17.50 | vldcnst | kakashi_: I suggest charging the battery in a different phone or using a different solution, and try then. |
| 00:18.04 | tuliobaars | how can i load a rootfs and a kernel into n810 using ubuntu? |
| 00:18.14 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: also means you *should* be able to enter flashing mode, as battery still holds enough charge to actually boot up the device |
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| 00:18.42 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, that might have been my mistake |
| 00:19.11 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: try holding 'u' key |
| 00:19.22 | kakashi_ | I did, it doesn't work |
| 00:19.34 | DocAvalanche | prior to plugin of device to PC |
| 00:19.41 | DocAvalanche | :-S |
| 00:20.08 | kakashi_ | did that too and the cold way (usb --phone then battery) |
| 00:20.14 | DocAvalanche | try to press 'u' immediately *after* plugin, then |
| 00:20.33 | DocAvalanche | like, less than 1s |
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| 00:20.44 | kakashi_ | okay |
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| 00:21.42 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: what's your PC OS? |
| 00:21.49 | tuliobaars_ | hey, is there any way to load an rootfs and a kernel into a n810? |
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| 00:22.08 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, Linux - Debian distro |
| 00:22.21 | DocAvalanche | hmm, should work flawlessly |
| 00:23.35 | kakashi_ | no! the less than 1s doesn't work |
| 00:23.42 | kakashi_ | does it preserve the state? |
| 00:23.49 | konfoo | ha |
| 00:23.54 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: try sudo rmmod `lsmod | grep cdc_` |
| 00:23.55 | konfoo | splicing the tape to pirate games |
| 00:24.02 | konfoo | damn wrong channel |
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| 00:24.11 | DocAvalanche | kahawhat do you mean by "preserve state"? |
| 00:24.37 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: ^^ |
| 00:24.49 | tuliobaars_ | hey, i need some help...please, my n810 is almost burning in fire... |
| 00:25.08 | DocAvalanche | call fire brigade |
| 00:25.34 | DocAvalanche | remove battery if you still can touch the device |
| 00:25.36 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, I mean, the [buzz + vibrate] ---> is that happening because it has preserved that mode? |
| 00:25.46 | tuliobaars_ | thanks, but i guess it wouldn't help me at this time,, but thanks for the advice |
| 00:26.11 | tuliobaars_ | oh, it was at least at 65C° |
| 00:27.14 | tuliobaars_ | please, help ME!!!! |
| 00:27.20 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: it's probably caused by some upstart scripts got messed up. I don't exactly get why NOLO (the bootloader) refuses to enter flashing mode though, as that should be independant of any filesystem mess that might have happened |
| 00:27.53 | tuliobaars_ | i'm not sure what i have to do...please, 5minutes of your life is not gonna kill anyone! |
| 00:28.09 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, should I try charging the battery with some other phone and try that ? |
| 00:28.43 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: aiui the NOLO bootloader is supposed to check for USB-cable&flasher and/or 'u' key pressed, and enter flashing mode before it decides to boot up any possibly borked system |
| 00:28.57 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars_: The problem is that most of the people active here don't have n810s |
| 00:29.03 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars_: So can't directly help |
| 00:29.18 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: I would first try plugging into wallcharger |
| 00:29.19 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: charging the battery might help. But *please* come back and report about success/fail after that |
| 00:29.40 | tuliobaars_ | why... |
| 00:29.52 | tuliobaars_ | where are the people with n810's......... |
| 00:29.53 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, I did try doing that, but then it has the same issue [buzz+vibrate] |
| 00:29.58 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, sure I will do that |
| 00:30.20 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: a possible explanation is your battery cell is worn out, so the voltage drops below threshold the very moment the device boots |
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| 00:30.34 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, possible |
| 00:30.41 | DocAvalanche | this may happen on old battery cells |
| 00:30.49 | SpeedEvil | DocAvalanche: I somewhat question that unless kakashi has been doing very oddthings. |
| 00:30.55 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: How old is the cell? |
| 00:30.58 | DocAvalanche | or if cell was mistreated |
| 00:31.01 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 00:31.11 | vldcnst | Or if it's a gold bl5j. |
| 00:31.23 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: And it's a genuine nokia cell? |
| 00:32.15 | b-man | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55888 < this thread is inspiring me to make a better email application for the N900 |
| 00:32.15 | SpeedEvil | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/06/14/2225251/Knuth-Got-It-Wrong - fun. On the disconnect between hardware and software people. |
| 00:32.38 | SpeedEvil | Modest is opensource |
| 00:32.52 | SpeedEvil | fix it, stick it in extras-devel as immodest |
| 00:33.05 | b-man | lol |
| 00:33.20 | b-man | i was thinking of using qt with it :) |
| 00:33.22 | DocAvalanche | lol, but true |
| 00:34.02 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, -- I am not sure If I did oddthings or not, Cell is 6 months old and it is a genuine nokia cell which came with the phone, |
| 00:34.28 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, well, I dropped the phone once, from my bed, but that shouldn't sustain injuries in any way |
| 00:34.43 | b-man | DocAvalanche: yeah, the current email application has a lot that could be redone |
| 00:34.55 | tuliobaars_ | pls, i'm not gonna be asking and asking all the time: just tell me somebody that can help me, please |
| 00:35.07 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: nope, that can not cause this issue |
| 00:35.07 | tuliobaars_ | with my n810 issues |
| 00:36.14 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: except LiIon batteries themselves are prone to damage by impact, even moderately gentle impact |
| 00:36.19 | tuliobaars_ | hey! |
| 00:36.24 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: Dropping it can cause issues. And yes, relatively small drops can kill it for some unlucky few |
| 00:36.25 | vldcnst | tuliobaars_: best solution for you would be to ask here: http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=28 |
| 00:36.35 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: Do you own a voltmeter? |
| 00:36.43 | kakashi_ | nope :( |
| 00:37.16 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: My first instinct would be to take it to a nokia repair place, and say 'won't turn on' |
| 00:37.21 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: I suggest you go to next nokia center, and ask for a fresh cell to test |
| 00:37.27 | SpeedEvil | After perhaps buying/borrowing a battery |
| 00:37.36 | SpeedEvil | even a clone from ebay should let you test. |
| 00:37.41 | tuliobaars_ | ok thanks |
| 00:38.01 | wiretapped | my n810's battery stopped working |
| 00:38.29 | wiretapped | won't boot with it |
| 00:38.40 | wiretapped | other batt works fine |
| 00:38.57 | wiretapped | (ages ago) |
| 00:38.58 | w00t_ | any facebrick users, new version teasers of 0.5 up at: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=715452#post715452 |
| 00:39.08 | DocAvalanche | tuliobaars_: how could anybody help without you asking anything except "my device is on fire" (which isn't exactly a question as well) |
| 00:39.28 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, I though of doing that |
| 00:39.36 | kakashi_ | s/thought/thought |
| 00:40.18 | tuliobaars_ | sorry. Do you want that i ask exactly waht happened? Sorry |
| 00:40.20 | kakashi_ | btw, my battery was actually getting discharged in around 8 hours time usually with wifi on (no GPRS) |
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| 00:40.57 | tuliobaars_ | OK, i've tried to install mer and now i wanna reflash it with the fanoush's rootfs and kernel. Is it possible? |
| 00:40.59 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: broken cells may cause weird behaviour on mobile devices. So really you should try to get a fresh original cell to test in a nokia store |
| 00:41.30 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: 8h might be normal, depending on particular situation |
| 00:42.01 | luke-jr | Nokia has stores? |
| 00:42.23 | tuliobaars_ | tthanks, but now i asked correctly |
| 00:42.35 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: there's nothing wrong in asking to test if the device works with that new cell, before you actually spend money on it |
| 00:42.59 | luke-jr | DocAvalanche: except they can't sell a used battery... |
| 00:44.28 | kakashi_ | DocAvalanche, okay, I will do that tomorrow, first thing in the morning |
| 00:44.48 | DocAvalanche | luke-jr: if it's a decent nokia care center, they are supposed to have a matching battery ready for use, to test. If that can't be done, I'd expect the competent staff to suggest testing kakashi_'s cell in another N900 |
| 00:45.08 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: do you know how much battery is required for the n900 to go into flash mode? |
| 00:45.27 | DocAvalanche | somewhere I read something about >40% |
| 00:45.47 | DocAvalanche | not sure if that's a hard limit. It depends on several parameters |
| 00:46.03 | kakashi_ | well, actually my hunch is that my battery is less the ideal battery limit as of now |
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| 00:47.45 | kakashi_ | btwm which phones use BL-5J? |
| 00:47.47 | DocAvalanche | there's a few certain vltage thresholds that must be met. If for any reason battery voltage will drop below that then boot will fail, or flashing mode will fail. The cell voltage depends on several factors like cell age, temperature, charge... |
| 00:48.03 | kakashi_ | other than n900 |
| 00:48.13 | DocAvalanche | good question |
| 00:48.14 | vldcnst | kakashi_: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility |
| 00:48.53 | kakashi_ | but what I don't understand is why isn't N900 getting charged even when I connect it to the wall charger |
| 00:49.18 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: Because it boots up relatively early when a voltage threshold is passed |
| 00:49.35 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: It then - should - basically go back to sleep if the battery is too discharged |
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| 00:50.25 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, aha! and other BL-5J compatible phones don't have this issue? |
| 00:50.29 | asj | kakashi_: leave it plugged in for a while, if the battery is too dischared it can't boot. I'm pretty sure the n900 will try and trickle charge it for a while |
| 00:50.39 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: yes, they may do |
| 00:50.45 | DocAvalanche | SpeedEvil: draining bat to level of no-boot and using hw-based autonomous charge *could* help |
| 00:50.53 | SpeedEvil | plugging it in for several hours culd help |
| 00:50.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:50.57 | DocAvalanche | SpeedEvil: but I won't suggest that |
| 00:51.56 | DocAvalanche | asj: please stop suggesting contraproductive stuff without knowing the whole story |
| 00:52.17 | asj | DocAvalanche: well fuck you too :) |
| 00:52.32 | DocAvalanche | asj: kakashi_ told he's bootlooping which most certainly will *drain* the battery while hooked to charger |
| 00:52.47 | DocAvalanche | asj: :-( |
| 00:53.02 | kakashi_ | uh! please don't fight for this issue! |
| 00:53.13 | asj | DocAvalanche: ah, suckage |
| 00:53.15 | DocAvalanche | asj: you got luck I'm in a lazy mood now |
| 00:53.45 | vldcnst | kakashi_: you could also connect around 4v (watch the mA tho) directly to the battery itself and charge it like that for around 30 minutes. Usually this might damage your battery, but one time *might* not do any harm to it. |
| 00:54.20 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: he mentioned he doesn't even have Voltmeter to test for correct 4V |
| 00:54.24 | vldcnst | kakashi_: I speak from experience, I charged batteries directly many times and didn't have any problems, but still... you never know what might happen. |
| 00:54.34 | DocAvalanche | so thanks for the helpful suggestion |
| 00:54.35 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, that is a huge risk! I don't think my conscious brain will never let that happen |
| 00:54.36 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: 3 batteries should do the trick. |
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| 00:54.51 | kakashi_ | s/never/ever |
| 00:56.02 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: please do the nokia care center thing, or find another way to *sanely* charge your battery, like decent standalone charger, or a friend's compatible phone |
| 00:57.17 | kakashi_ | btw, it is 0254 Hrs here, and I don't have an extra BL-5J compatible phone now, and I don't think it is fair to wake someone up for that, should I try discharge the battery (may be repeated power on button -- it gives a White Nokia thingy and goes down actually) or should I simple put it on charge ? |
| 00:57.35 | SpeedEvil | There is also http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-Travel-Mobile-Phone-Battery-Charger-Adapter-/260389384656?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneChargers&hash=item3ca06ab1d0 - for example |
| 00:57.54 | SpeedEvil | The above shouldn't kill the battery in one charge |
| 00:57.58 | SpeedEvil | also. |
| 00:58.11 | SpeedEvil | If you're getting white nokia, that should flash |
| 00:58.16 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: take out battery, and postpone to a more reasonable time of day |
| 00:58.40 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no - there is a voltage threshold too - ignore that |
| 00:59.29 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: then tomorrow take your N900 and separate battery to next Nokia care center |
| 01:00.02 | kakashi_ | yeah! that sounds to be the safest option! |
| 01:00.14 | DocAvalanche | kakashi_: all you could do right now is potetially causing damage to either battery or even N900 |
| 01:00.47 | DocAvalanche | or your health, for some of more weird suggestions above :-P |
| 01:01.07 | kakashi_ | yeah! |
| 01:01.11 | kakashi_ | okay, thanks a lot DocAvalanche, SpeedEvil, asj, vldcnst and luke-jr for the help |
| 01:01.29 | luke-jr | ... |
| 01:01.35 | vldcnst | Not fair. it was a valid suggestion, if he was willing to trade risk for time. |
| 01:02.20 | kakashi_ | I will document about this in Maemo Forum and ofcourse bug everybody here about it tomorrow (technically today for me) |
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| 01:05.26 | asj | kakashi_: good luck |
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| 01:26.51 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: it was a valid sugestion, but: >> <SpeedEvil> kakashi_: Do you own a voltmeter? <kakashi_> nope :( <vldcnst> kakashi_: you could also connect around 4v (watch the mA tho) |
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| 01:27.20 | DocAvalanche | how's he supposed to "watch the mA" ? |
| 01:27.33 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: and I supplemented the suggestion with: <vldcnst> DocAvalanche: 3 batteries should do the trick. |
| 01:28.28 | asj | don't have to own a voltmeter, just a current limiting bench power supply...but most people that have a bench power supple own a voltmeter |
| 01:28.30 | DocAvalanche | still no way to watch the mA. That setup would even scare me, as I know a battery (or 3 in series) could delive >>5A |
| 01:30.38 | DocAvalanche | vldcnst: a somewhat valid suggestion would have been: "take your old style 4.7V@650mA Nokia charger with that barrel connector (+=inner, -=outer contact) and simply connect that to the +/- of your cell, for <30min |
| 01:30.42 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: 5A from one normal alkaline battery? |
| 01:31.07 | DocAvalanche | take a A-cell and short it with a thick wire |
| 01:31.18 | DocAvalanche | you'll be astonished what happens |
| 01:31.22 | vldcnst | A cells are indeed powerful. |
| 01:31.25 | asj | vldcnst: for a modern cell that's only 2C, yeah I can buy it |
| 01:31.54 | asj | until it starts to heat up... |
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| 01:32.02 | vldcnst | and leak! |
| 01:33.07 | asj | NiMH cells are routinely run harder than that in RC cars they only have what a 10-15 min run time at full power? |
| 01:33.37 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: I agree with how you formulated that, but still, I doubt he would even try to touch the battery connectors. Not that kind of guy, from what I smelled. |
| 01:35.26 | GAN900 | wonders about mwkn stats |
| 01:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: that's why I suggested he doesn't bother to do anything like that and rather visits the Nokia care center tomorrow |
| 01:38.32 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: still, I've seen some horrible nokia abuse in my life, from original battery + wires (at the same time, in parallel) from 3xC to powering a phone from a old TV 5V transformer, and none had any issues, except lower battery life. They are pretty though. |
| 01:39.03 | vldcnst | granted, that was with older gen phones |
| 01:39.24 | SpeedEvil | If lipe turns up, asking about wpa_supplicant - point them at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56164&highlight=wpa_supplicant |
| 01:39.25 | asj | 3 C cells would have a very long life I would expect..i thought they were 5000ma or something in there... |
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| 01:43.17 | vldcnst | It was also fun making charger plugs (big and small ones) from aluminium kitchen foil and plastic from cotton buds :) |
| 01:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: agree, I've accidentally connectedsome 12V 2A stabilized power supply to my first version 6210. Comment of Nokia phone: 'Wrong Charger!" |
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| 01:45.22 | vldcnst | DocAvalanche: good old days :) |
| 01:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't try this on a N900 though |
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| 01:49.41 | vldcnst | SpeedEvil: epso PCB printer, interesting. |
| 01:50.09 | vldcnst | (if thats your tutorial) |
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| 01:51.48 | SpeedEvil | umm - no |
| 01:51.49 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 01:51.55 | SpeedEvil | right - no - that's unrelated to me |
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| 02:31.56 | wiretapped | can anyone here tell me what makes a post in mauku be a different color than the rest? |
| 02:33.23 | wiretapped | it happens to be a post linking to a friend's blog entry... but it definitely isn't in my n900 history... |
| 02:33.34 | wiretapped | very strange |
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| 04:09.31 | doc|home | so, I got an n900 on friday (yey!) but I've noticed that the buttons at the top of the screen (when in landscape) are very finicky when you're using your fingers. Anyone else noticed this? I don't have fat fingers or anything. |
| 04:09.58 | ham5 | get the newest firmware |
| 04:10.06 | doc|home | I think I have it, one sec |
| 04:10.23 | ham5 | I had one of the olderones it was like that... new one took care of it |
| 04:10.42 | ham5 | have to be firm with the buttons tho :) |
| 04:10.43 | asj | could try the screen calibration in settigs, never done that... |
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| 04:10.52 | ham5 | sure that too |
| 04:10.54 | asj | oh, you mean hw buttons |
| 04:11.04 | doc|home | under settings -> about product I have version 10.2010.19-1.002 |
| 04:11.18 | pwnguin | that's 1.1 afaik |
| 04:11.21 | doc|home | no, touchscreen buttons, and calibration didn't make any difference |
| 04:11.23 | doc|home | pwnguin: oh, I see |
| 04:11.26 | doc|home | hmm |
| 04:11.43 | ham5 | are your fingers fat? :) |
| 04:11.45 | pwnguin | lemme check |
| 04:11.48 | doc|home | is there a way to do it via the update software or is it a flashing thing only? |
| 04:12.00 | pwnguin | yes |
| 04:12.03 | ham5 | flashing was really easy |
| 04:12.05 | ham5 | imo |
| 04:12.07 | doc|home | ham5: I already saw that question coming, see my initial question :) |
| 04:12.30 | doc|home | pwnguin: sorry, what was that "yes" to? |
| 04:12.45 | pwnguin | actually |
| 04:12.46 | ham5 | yea I saw that... thats why I asked again ;) |
| 04:12.51 | doc|home | ham5: haha |
| 04:12.54 | pwnguin | im a victim of loudmouth disease |
| 04:12.55 | doc|home | no, no fat fingers here |
| 04:12.59 | pwnguin | i checked my phone |
| 04:13.08 | pwnguin | 10.2010.19-1.002 |
| 04:13.14 | doc|home | bah |
| 04:13.17 | pwnguin | and i know i have pr1.2 |
| 04:13.26 | doc|home | it can be very frustrating at times |
| 04:13.57 | ham5 | yea pwnguin |
| 04:13.58 | doc|home | also, is the mail software not able to distinguish between a mail which has already been read and an unread one over imap? |
| 04:13.59 | ham5 | thats the newest |
| 04:14.18 | ham5 | never messed with mail |
| 04:14.37 | doc|home | for example, if I read an email on my laptop, and then look at my phone, even after send/receive it doesn't see that it has been read |
| 04:14.46 | DocAvalanche | c'mon 10.2010.19 is commonly known as legendary PR1.2 |
| 04:15.57 | DocAvalanche | doc|home: maybe because you actually haven't read it on the phone? |
| 04:16.59 | DocAvalanche | doc|home: dunno if there's common sense about how clients determine if a mail is 'read' or 'new' - on IMAP |
| 04:17.19 | pwnguin | imap doesn't provide read/unread? |
| 04:17.22 | doc|home | DocAvalanche: perhaps, but my ipod touch "knows" |
| 04:17.28 | doc|home | I don't know how |
| 04:17.42 | DocAvalanche | but I seems to hear some rumble about IMAP on modest being crap |
| 04:17.49 | doc|home | seems so |
| 04:18.10 | doc|home | anyway, that's relatively minor compared to the buttons thing :/ anyone got any suggestions on that? |
| 04:18.32 | DocAvalanche | doc|home: what your iphone 'knows' doesn't mean anybody else on earth agrees upon |
| 04:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so the gsm-ranges of the N900 means it can be used in the US and Europe and probably pretty much everywhere else (damn... with the N810 that was no questio :) |
| 04:18.45 | pwnguin | which butons? the volume ones or the touch UI? |
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| 04:19.04 | DocAvalanche | doc|home: (buttons) sorry I don't get it |
| 04:19.20 | pwnguin | CutMeOwnThroat: that wont stop US people from complaining that it doesnt support ATT or "most cell providers" |
| 04:19.43 | doc|home | DocAvalanche: the buttons at the top of the touchscreen UI (the back arrow or the X) seem to require very precise screen touches, too precise for fingers. |
| 04:19.58 | doc|home | same for the menu button |
| 04:20.11 | DocAvalanche | hmm, no problems here |
| 04:20.24 | DocAvalanche | maybe you're used to the iphone too much? :-P |
| 04:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | pwnguin, ah, just found those limitations on amazon.com ... but I was more wondering about Germany... I wouldn't use it in the US anymore... most probably |
| 04:20.32 | doc|home | DocAvalanche: I don't own an iphone |
| 04:20.40 | doc|home | never have |
| 04:21.10 | DocAvalanche | ooh iPod then |
| 04:21.11 | pwnguin | CutMeOwnThroat: it works on my tmobile acct, i see no reason it would fail in germany |
| 04:21.29 | DocAvalanche | all the same to me |
| 04:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 04:21.48 | doc|home | really, I asked a reasonable question. I don't think the attitude is necessary. |
| 04:21.50 | DocAvalanche | pwnguin: actually it won't |
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| 04:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're selling it there... but without a lot of information on what providers it'll work with |
| 04:24.05 | DocAvalanche | CutMeOwnThroat: N900 GSM/UMTS is pretty much international worldwide standard, and will just fail on a few 3rd world countries' nonstandard networks, like in northern korea, or USA AT+T |
| 04:24.23 | pwnguin | awesome |
| 04:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | DocAvalanche, ah, you meant "it won't fail" ... I kind of translated that into "it won't work there" :) |
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| 04:26.21 | DocAvalanche | CutMeOwnThroat: yup |
| 04:36.25 | ham5 | how can I restart the desktop with out reseting the phone? |
| 04:36.37 | ham5 | would /etc/init.d/gdm restart on debian... |
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| 04:41.57 | ham5 | not maemo-launcher :\ |
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| 04:45.46 | joga | ham5: maybe killall hildon-home ? |
| 04:46.06 | joga | why do you want to restart it |
| 04:49.24 | ham5 | locked up could still access applications tho to run terminal |
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| 04:55.21 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, I haven't heard anything from Quim |
| 04:55.34 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, or anybody else who they were supposedly shipped to. |
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| 05:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | good to know ... thanks |
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| 05:06.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: thanks for update |
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| 05:18.50 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:20.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | ing |
| 05:21.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: how's the volcano? |
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| 05:22.42 | Stskeeps | good |
| 05:23.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | :-) |
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| 05:23.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | drop a N900 when you fly over my place on your way back home ;-P |
| 05:24.03 | ham5 | giving them away? |
| 05:24.26 | Stskeeps | hehe, doubt im going over germany and i dont have any, even want a second one for myself |
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| 05:33.53 | ian_r | where can i find the latest theme template with the pr 1.2 changes? |
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| 05:34.42 | Surfa | what template? |
| 05:34.52 | Surfa | argh |
| 05:34.54 | Surfa | sorry :) |
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| 05:47.07 | ham5 | got aircrack in the repos but dosent come with airmon... how you supposed to collect data? |
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| 06:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | airodump |
| 06:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if the chan6 bug is fixed yet |
| 06:02.47 | ham5 | seperate deb? |
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| 06:08.44 | ian_r | morning stskeeps. can you point me to the current example theme/template with the pr 1.2 changes? |
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| 06:22.23 | crashanddie | GAN900: go to bed |
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| 06:23.12 | crashanddie | Man, some news titles are truly disturbing... |
| 06:23.30 | crashanddie | "RIM testing new Blackberry tablet" |
| 06:23.50 | crashanddie | I mean... "Rim testing"? |
| 06:23.56 | toggles_w | lol |
| 06:24.27 | crashanddie | It's a tablet, they'll never rim it... |
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| 06:33.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | .o0(??) |
| 06:33.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~dict rim |
| 06:34.30 | crashanddie | ~google urban dictionary rim |
| 06:34.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | obviously a pun for native speakers |
| 06:35.21 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer2: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rimming |
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| 06:36.46 | nextime | rotfl |
| 06:37.08 | nextime | interesting is the circular clockwise movement in the north emisphere and the anti-clockwise one in the southern emisphere |
| 06:37.09 | nextime | :D |
| 06:37.36 | crashanddie | I'd be tempted to say "that's bollocks", but I think we've been far enough with the sex talk. |
| 06:38.26 | Macer | hm |
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| 06:38.32 | nextime | crashanddie : with bolloks you mean "nonsense"? |
| 06:38.35 | Macer | any word on maemo koffice? |
| 06:38.43 | Macer | or actual bt kb support? |
| 06:38.52 | crashanddie | nextime: I did |
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| 06:39.30 | nextime | crashanddie : ok, thanks ( i'm not native english, so, i ask confirm when i'm not sure about a word ) |
| 06:39.57 | Macer | that's england english |
| 06:40.24 | Macer | not imperial US english :) so it doesn't count |
| 06:40.27 | crashanddie | Yes, commonly referred to "English" |
| 06:40.34 | Macer | haha |
| 06:40.38 | nextime | Macer : so, the "original" one :) |
| 06:40.38 | crashanddie | s/to/to as/ |
| 06:41.10 | Macer | nextime: yes.. you know.. the country that used to have a huge empire |
| 06:41.28 | crashanddie | your bastard mix of coloquial terms and native-inbred savagery doesn't count as anything worthy being named "English" |
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| 06:41.32 | Macer | and managed to lose it in wars and starvation protests |
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| 06:41.51 | Macer | :) |
| 06:41.55 | crashanddie | No, they gave something you may not know in the US... It's called Freedom. |
| 06:42.06 | nextime | Macer : nah, britain wasn't an empire, it was a colonial kingdom |
| 06:42.11 | crashanddie | You know, like... When you let someone be, and leave them in peace? |
| 06:42.13 | nextime | rome was an empire! |
| 06:42.27 | nextime | there is a huge difference. |
| 06:42.28 | Macer | nextime: the russians used to say the same thing |
| 06:42.37 | crashanddie | Not that an American would understand why you can't meddle in the affairs of others |
| 06:43.04 | Macer | like ireland? |
| 06:43.08 | Macer | :) |
| 06:43.17 | crashanddie | What about them? |
| 06:43.49 | Macer | and we werent given freedom. we had to kick british ass to get it |
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| 06:44.12 | crashanddie | erhm, no, you had to get help from the French to get it, you tosser |
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| 06:44.27 | Macer | hahaha... touche |
| 06:44.37 | Macer | bows his head in shame |
| 06:44.41 | Macer | you win :) |
| 06:44.52 | nextime | interesting us vc british match |
| 06:45.06 | nextime | s/vc/vs/ |
| 06:45.25 | Macer | thinks about ww2 |
| 06:45.29 | crashanddie | I don't get why the English-speaking world always makes fun of the French (I live in France atm). |
| 06:45.32 | Macer | :) |
| 06:46.08 | nextime | crashanddie : what about italian vs french? |
| 06:46.09 | nextime | :D |
| 06:46.18 | crashanddie | there is an italian vs french? |
| 06:46.35 | Macer | crashanddie: well.. hitler took france too easily i suppose |
| 06:46.44 | crashanddie | I thought that was just between two specific football players, both of which have retired AFAIK |
| 06:46.49 | nextime | crashanddie : usually franch and italians are very competitive in many things |
| 06:47.05 | nextime | frEnch |
| 06:47.27 | crashanddie | Macer: except for the fact that the netherlands, austria, poland and belgium gave in to nazi germany before France? |
| 06:47.30 | nextime | like food, soccer, wine... |
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| 06:47.57 | nextime | ( and in my personal opinion italy win, of course! ) |
| 06:47.59 | nextime | :D |
| 06:48.20 | nextime | ok, time to go to do something more productive than make stupid morning flames :P |
| 06:48.22 | nextime | by all |
| 06:48.49 | crashanddie | Macer: The only thing that sets France apart is that France had a secondary government, which decided to use a secondary capital (in Vichy), rather than remain in the (rebellion-infested) Paris. |
| 06:48.57 | nextime | byE ( fucking wireless keyboard that lose digits... ) |
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| 06:50.20 | crashanddie | Macer: far from me the idea of "loving" or "supporting" France in any way, shape or form, but I like to be just, and most of the surrender-monkey bullshit is completely unfounded. |
| 06:52.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: Macer meant Austria :-P |
| 06:54.20 | mece | what is this now? Stop these political ramblings immediately and get back to only caring about programming, hacking and talking bad about companies! |
| 06:54.38 | mece | s/political/pseudopolitical/ |
| 06:54.48 | mece | ;) |
| 06:55.12 | MyMo | lol ^well said |
| 06:55.23 | asj | did I miss some fun? |
| 06:56.34 | mece | anyway, damn. The Netherlands crushed Denmark. Makes mece a sad nerd. |
| 06:56.49 | mece | ahemm. |
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| 07:01.21 | vknecht | hello |
| 07:02.07 | mece | vknecht, hi |
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| 07:02.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | mece: to me it seems Denmark needed no Netherlands to get crushed? |
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| 07:03.15 | mece | DocScrutinizer51: indeed. |
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| 07:09.55 | lauri | hello |
| 07:10.18 | lauri | Can anyone comment why QFileDialog.getOpenFileName lags horribly on N900 using PyQt4 |
| 07:10.52 | lauri | opening the dialog takes over 2 seconds and even while scrolling it just stops responding periodically for around 200-500ms |
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| 07:12.46 | Ikarus | is not surprised given how slow Python in general is on the N900 |
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| 07:21.54 | marmoute | lauri: opening a file in MyDocs ? |
| 07:22.11 | hrw | morning |
| 07:25.35 | lauri | marmoute: yes I think |
| 07:26.00 | marmoute | light be the slow access time |
| 07:28.10 | RST38h | moos at hrw et al |
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| 07:32.06 | ham5 | app manager is a pito got something like synaptic? |
| 07:32.44 | joga | has anyone used the eduroam network with the n900? |
| 07:32.49 | jacekowski | synaptic sucks |
| 07:32.53 | jacekowski | use apt |
| 07:33.08 | ham5 | im still goin for gui tho |
| 07:33.08 | joga | I thought 1.2 would fix something about it but doesn't seem to work here at least |
| 07:33.26 | ham5 | 1.2 works |
| 07:33.29 | joga | and I don't understand the choosing of the certificate |
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| 07:33.46 | joga | there's None to be selected, yet certificate manager shows the one I would like to use as being valid for wlan etc |
| 07:34.26 | joga | I suppose I could do something with cmcli? |
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| 07:39.33 | ham5 | I dont understand why you would even be having problems with certificates |
| 07:39.33 | Tachikoma | moin |
| 07:40.00 | joga | ham5, eduroam requires you to have a certificate in order to connect to it, and you also need to supply your username and password |
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| 07:40.27 | joga | I guess the exact authentication methods have some variance since I've googled someone who has eduroam working, but I guess he's on some other campus or country |
| 07:41.24 | lbt | Jaffa: pingy again... |
| 07:41.27 | joga | I'm in the wireless connection wizard, I select WPA with EAP, then the EAP type for which I've tried TTLS and PEAP, then it asks for a certificate that I cannot choose |
| 07:41.49 | joga | if I leave it empty it'll try to connect and if I choose PEAP I even get it to prompt for my password but it fails the authentication anyway |
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| 07:42.47 | joga | this thread leaves the impression it should use the available certificates that have been selected for wlan use but I think it's confusing that it asks for it then and doesn't provide any choices |
| 07:42.52 | joga | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6259 |
| 07:42.53 | povbot | Bug 6259: WLAN setup does not give the list of certificates, cannot use certificates with WLAN |
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| 07:43.52 | joga | it could be just some setting but I think I've pretty much tried all combinations that are available from the gui wizard |
| 07:44.22 | joga | these are supposedly the official instructions for our eduroam http://wiki.hiit.fi/display/it/eduroam+for+Linux+users |
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| 07:49.06 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:49.22 | Jaffa | lbt: pong |
| 07:50.11 | lcuk2 | morning Jaffa \o |
| 07:50.15 | joga | hmm... I guess this thread is more relevant for my problem https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 |
| 07:50.16 | povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth |
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| 07:51.27 | Jaffa | Nice encouraging words for Hermes: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=715367&postcount=219 |
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| 07:51.55 | Stskeeps | heh |
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| 07:52.18 | MOUD | Hey all |
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| 07:53.24 | lcuk2 | morning Stskeeps \o |
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| 07:56.52 | Khertan | Hi everyone ! |
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| 07:58.19 | Jaffa | Anyone know if it's possible to get a search in bugs.maemo.org sorted by votes? |
| 07:59.11 | lcuk2 | jaffa, you can add the votes column to search results and then order the column afaik |
| 07:59.14 | mece | in PyQt, are actions in menubar connected the same way regular buttons are? |
| 08:00.13 | mece | maemo.org seems dead as a doornail. |
| 08:00.57 | mece | "It's not just you! http://maemo.org looks down from here. " says http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
| 08:01.05 | lcuk2 | well, its down |
| 08:01.21 | mece | I guess the world ended when I got an app to extras.. |
| 08:01.28 | mece | orr maemo.org :D |
| 08:01.55 | mece | or wait. I didn't get an app to extras apparently. |
| 08:01.56 | mece | gm |
| 08:01.56 | mece | hm |
| 08:02.09 | RST38h | mece: Has your app been enumerating over all the names of Satan? |
| 08:02.27 | lcuk2 | mooo! RST38h |
| 08:02.36 | mece | RST38h, yeah. Would that be a problem? |
| 08:03.02 | mece | hmm.. so I can now promote my app to extras, but I can't because maemo.org is down. I guess it was a last resort sort of thing. |
| 08:03.14 | joga | :) |
| 08:03.15 | RST38h | mece: Ummm...yea, according to some it would be |
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| 08:03.40 | Jaffa | lcuk2: Ta, will try that. |
| 08:04.23 | RST38h | quack, lcuk |
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| 08:06.08 | ian_r | morning Stskeeps. can you point me to the current example theme/template? |
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| 08:08.15 | plastun | is it possible to make TouchSelector widget behavior lazy? I mean, if I have 1000 items, load and draw only items, thats fits on screen |
| 08:08.19 | Stskeeps | ian_r: http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps - latest i have |
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| 08:09.04 | ian_r | stskeeps: does that have the new keyboard and other PR1.2 stuff? |
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| 08:09.31 | Khertan | mece, are you trying to promoting fessebrick ? |
| 08:09.34 | Stskeeps | it was taken at pr1.2 sdk release, if it is not complete, let me know latest tomorrow |
| 08:10.50 | ian_r | k, thanks. i'll check it out and get back to you. |
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| 08:19.54 | vknecht | I've built a little app for N900 using scratchbox and copied it on the phone (in tmp), but can't run it... how should I do it ? |
| 08:20.17 | vknecht | I'd prefer not to have to make a .deb for now |
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| 08:24.41 | Termana | hey hey |
| 08:25.26 | mece | grr |
| 08:25.35 | mece | my connect does nothing! Nothing I tells you! |
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| 08:26.20 | zaheerm | vknecht, is it a binary or a script (python or other)? |
| 08:26.45 | vknecht | zaheerm: a binary (Qt/C++) |
| 08:26.56 | mece | vknecht: did you build it for arm? |
| 08:27.03 | vknecht | yep, in scratchbox |
| 08:27.16 | mece | vknecht: what happens when you run it? |
| 08:27.40 | zaheerm | vknecht, were you in your armel or i386 root in scratchbox? |
| 08:27.43 | luke-jr | mece: his battery begins to leak |
| 08:28.10 | mece | Khertan, sorry, a little afk. no, Qlister |
| 08:28.14 | vknecht | well, when I "click" on it from the file manager, it asks me to select an app to open it with |
| 08:28.29 | luke-jr | ... |
| 08:28.41 | zaheerm | vknecht, you need to run it from the terminal or create a .desktop file for it to appear in menu |
| 08:28.41 | luke-jr | are you seriously trying to run a binary from a GUI tool? -.- |
| 08:28.48 | vknecht | zaheerm: yes, and "file" command says it's an ARM binary |
| 08:28.58 | vknecht | mmm, ok |
| 08:28.59 | mece | vknecht: you need to move it away from MyDocs, make it executable and run it from xterm |
| 08:29.22 | mece | vknecht: so cp it to /home/user |
| 08:29.30 | mece | vknecht: do chomd +x <filename> |
| 08:29.37 | mece | and then ./<filename> to run it. |
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| 08:29.50 | mece | make that first one /home/user/ :) |
| 08:30.11 | luke-jr | cps mece to /dev/shm/ |
| 08:30.39 | mece | doesn't know what /dev/shm/ is, so he doesn't really care. |
| 08:30.43 | luke-jr | shared memory |
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| 08:30.47 | mece | oic |
| 08:30.50 | luke-jr | we're all gonna look at your DNA |
| 08:31.04 | mece | :) |
| 08:31.13 | luke-jr | you must have a lot of DNA. this thing is still copying |
| 08:31.35 | luke-jr | waits |
| 08:31.58 | mece | luke-jr, yea, I've been eating a lot of dna lately. Hooked on the stuff ;) |
| 08:32.10 | luke-jr | you can do that??? |
| 08:32.24 | luke-jr | D: |
| 08:32.35 | mece | om nom nom |
| 08:32.54 | mece | vknecht: how did it go? |
| 08:32.56 | luke-jr | eck, it's already filled 1 TB :( |
| 08:33.03 | luke-jr | just how much DNA do you have mece? |
| 08:33.17 | vknecht | great, thanks, it works :-) |
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| 08:33.34 | mece | vknecht: what does it do? |
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| 08:34.42 | vknecht | it's a front-end for Mupen64Plus v1.9+ emulator |
| 08:35.07 | vknecht | even though this newer version is not really available yet on N900/Maemo AFAIK |
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| 08:36.15 | mece | :) |
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| 08:53.26 | Jaffa | pmo dead? |
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| 08:55.04 | lbt | Jaffa: pingy |
| 08:55.56 | alterego | I hope my latest t.m.o post is pretty even. |
| 08:57.13 | alterego | I did say b*tch ... |
| 08:59.31 | Jaffa | lbt: pongy |
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| 09:01.49 | achipa_nettop | just checking... is www.maemo.org is down ? |
| 09:01.55 | ham5 | no |
| 09:02.13 | achipa_nettop | somebody doesnât like it at my ISP then :) |
| 09:02.23 | ham5 | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
| 09:02.29 | ham5 | that gets asked here alot |
| 09:02.33 | ham5 | I wonder why |
| 09:03.02 | ham5 | well lol I guess it is |
| 09:03.13 | ham5 | was just on it like 30min ago |
| 09:03.29 | achipa_nettop | 30 min ? thatâs an eternity ! :D |
| 09:03.41 | ham5 | :) |
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| 09:11.25 | FIQ | is maemo.or gdown? |
| 09:11.38 | ham5 | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org |
| 09:11.42 | FIQ | s/ g/g / |
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| 09:11.53 | haj | it's down for me... |
| 09:11.59 | FIQ | ok |
| 09:12.16 | haj | talk.maemo.org is up |
| 09:12.50 | alterego | and so am I |
| 09:12.58 | alterego | I mean awake, not erect .. |
| 09:13.42 | Surfa | ..too late.. |
| 09:15.42 | achipa_nettop | alterego: talk and maemo.org are 2 different servers |
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| 09:17.11 | alterego | achipa_nettop: thank you for informing me of that .... |
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| 09:17.27 | alterego | and, erm, why were you telling me this? :P |
| 09:17.38 | alterego | (I already knew btw too :P) |
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| 09:19.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | and I bet it's even much more complex, probably both a variable number of virtual servers on a farm of real iron |
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| 09:20.38 | alterego | with that really annoying static hosting proxy in front of it from akali :P |
| 09:20.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | akamei, yep |
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| 09:21.32 | alterego | that's the ones |
| 09:21.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | though I muse over "static" |
| 09:21.51 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:22.20 | alterego | To be honest, we all know maemo.org has _never_ veen reliable. |
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| 09:22.49 | alterego | I'm suprised that now, after four years it's still this way though :) |
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| 09:23.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | reliably slow with weekend downtimes you can adjust your watch from them :-) |
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| 09:23.38 | alterego | Maybe it's because of the exponential growth of the "community" and by community I mean community+leech-users :P |
| 09:23.45 | marmoute | alterego: veen |
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| 09:31.10 | alterego | okay, now that's two people that have explicitly said something to me I have no idea what they're talking about :) |
| 09:31.35 | alterego | I think it's too early for networked interactions for me. |
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| 09:31.42 | alterego | goes to have a shower. |
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| 09:38.43 | ham5 | probly why they are going meego |
| 09:40.04 | ham5 | its all about choices |
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| 10:15.20 | X-Fade | top - 13:15:13 up 106 days, 52 min, 2 users, load average: 196.99, 196.69, 196.15 |
| 10:15.32 | X-Fade | Tells the story nicely. |
| 10:16.01 | ham5 | how do you get that kind of load |
| 10:16.24 | X-Fade | ham5: Storage blocking, lots of clients. |
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| 10:20.15 | mece | So what is up with maemo.org? |
| 10:20.21 | X-Fade | mece: ^^ |
| 10:20.26 | mece | the load? |
| 10:20.37 | mece | I don't really understand what those numbers mean. |
| 10:20.41 | X-Fade | Well, netapp storage underneath the side is gone. |
| 10:20.48 | X-Fade | *site |
| 10:21.52 | SpeedEvil | mece: It means that on aveage - 169 jobs are running |
| 10:22.20 | mece | or 196.. |
| 10:22.24 | mece | is that a lot? |
| 10:22.29 | Surfa | yes |
| 10:22.30 | ham5 | High load averages usually mean that the system is being used heavily and the response time is correspondingly slow |
| 10:22.41 | ham5 | anything more then 3 is unbearible to me |
| 10:22.49 | X-Fade | mece: Anything above 1 is already overloading. |
| 10:22.52 | Surfa | it depends on the system anyway |
| 10:22.53 | mece | wow |
| 10:22.57 | ham5 | its for the last 5, 10, and 15min of the computer |
| 10:23.01 | petteri | it depends how many cpus there are |
| 10:23.16 | X-Fade | Yeah, true. 8 cores in this case. |
| 10:23.18 | ham5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.39 | ham5 | my dualcore desktop |
| 10:23.43 | RST38h | has seen 40 |
| 10:24.02 | X-Fade | Hehe 40 is nothing :) |
| 10:27.22 | alterego | ham5: judging by you load, why have you even got it turned on it's just wasting energy :P |
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| 10:28.35 | mece | alterego, waiting to serve, perhaps? |
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| 10:29.13 | alterego | He could get a one dollar hosting service for less than it costs to run that server :P |
| 10:29.33 | alterego | if it is a server |
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| 10:49.19 | thp | arghgh! maemo.org down :( |
| 10:49.33 | Venemo | omg |
| 10:49.37 | Venemo | hey |
| 10:49.39 | Venemo | it isn't down |
| 10:50.13 | thp | s/down/unreachable/ |
| 10:50.40 | cibyr | I keep getting "The connection was reset" |
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| 10:51.16 | Venemo | well, TMO works for me |
| 10:51.39 | wazd | Hello people |
| 10:51.51 | alterego | tmo isn't maemo.org :P |
| 10:52.17 | Venemo | it is part of it, isn't it? |
| 10:53.16 | thp | it's hosted on reggie's server (former ITT) afaik |
| 10:54.13 | Venemo | really? |
| 10:54.35 | thp | yep - try "nslookup talk.maemo.org" |
| 10:55.11 | Venemo | huh, really! |
| 10:55.19 | Venemo | I thought Nokia is paying the bills |
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| 10:55.41 | Stskeeps | it is |
| 10:55.48 | Venemo | oh, okay |
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| 10:57.23 | thp | so today we get all the tmo bashing without the maemo.org productivity? ;) |
| 10:57.47 | Venemo | Stskeeps: since you are the distmaster, by any chance do you know any people who are familiar with the inner workings of hildon-desktop? |
| 11:00.07 | frals_ | heh, nice load figures there from maemo.org :p |
| 11:01.22 | alterego | Venemo: is this you get current home screen issue? |
| 11:01.34 | Venemo | yes, it is |
| 11:01.38 | Venemo | I haven't manage to solve it |
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| 11:01.50 | Venemo | I found this: |
| 11:01.50 | Venemo | http://maemo.gitorious.com/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/home/hd-home.h |
| 11:02.01 | alterego | Well, if you can dynamically add you widget does it add an entry into gconf? |
| 11:02.17 | Venemo | and also this: http://maemo.gitorious.com/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/home/hd-home-view.h |
| 11:02.34 | alterego | becuase that's where widgets and positions are stored ... |
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| 11:03.13 | Venemo | the hd_home_view_move_applet function would solve this, but I don't know how to get the required parameters to call it |
| 11:03.32 | Venemo | alterego: that is only the case when the widget is loaded by a loader |
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| 11:04.09 | alterego | If I had my laptop I could help you but I wont have it until I go home tomorrow :/ |
| 11:04.31 | Venemo | alterego: I will be happy if you help me tomorrow :) |
| 11:05.14 | vldcnst | X-Fade: here? |
| 11:05.32 | X-Fade | vldcnst: yes |
| 11:05.36 | vldcnst | X-Fade: can I pm you? |
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| 11:05.50 | Venemo | alterego: can I take that as a promise? :P |
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| 11:06.31 | vldcnst | ~seen kakashi_ |
| 11:06.32 | infobot | kakashi_ <~kakashi_@nltk/kakashi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 4m 12s ago, saying: 'I will document about this in Maemo Forum and ofcourse bug everybody here about it tomorrow (technically today for me)'. |
| 11:06.42 | vldcnst | I wonder what that guy did. |
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| 11:07.30 | alterego | Venemo: sure, same time tomorrow :) |
| 11:08.09 | X-Fade | vldcnst: You can always try :) |
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| 11:16.33 | Venemo | alterego: thank you, I'm looking forward to it! :) |
| 11:18.44 | Ken-Young | Is maemo.org down? |
| 11:19.03 | vldcnst | Ken-Young: seems so. |
| 11:19.16 | Venemo | Ken: yes it is |
| 11:19.21 | Ken-Young | Thanks |
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| 11:21.51 | ghostcube | ehlo folks who is doing maewsynth |
| 11:21.56 | ghostcube | *-w |
| 11:21.59 | ghostcube | :) |
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| 11:27.32 | MOUD | which channel in TVU that shows the world cup? |
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| 11:40.08 | plastun | how to mandatory update button title from Dialog? |
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| 11:55.43 | MOUD | which channel in TVU is showing the world cup? |
| 11:57.19 | joga | what's tvu? |
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| 11:58.47 | flailingmonkey | hail |
| 11:58.56 | crashanddie | MOUD: we don't care, go ask somewhere else |
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| 11:59.16 | crashanddie | joga: some illegal tv-channel broadcasting thingy. |
| 11:59.35 | flailingmonkey | mindraaaaays |
| 11:59.39 | joga | k |
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| 12:05.49 | frals_ | hmm, wonder when i promoted fmms... should be 10 days soon! |
| 12:05.54 | frals_ | tries to open maemo.org |
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| 12:07.54 | MOUD | crashanddie: k k |
| 12:08.41 | vldcnst | wonders who from logica ordered chinese and fed it to the servers |
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| 12:51.43 | pupnik | oww maemo.org |
| 12:52.00 | pupnik | still no joy |
| 12:54.15 | achipa | should we set it in the topic ? :) |
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| 12:55.50 | jcrawford | hey guys is it me or is there NO WAY to share photos via SMS on the N900? |
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| 12:55.56 | jcrawford | and damn where is Video Recording? |
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| 12:57.21 | pupnik | jcrawford: video camera works |
| 12:57.27 | pupnik | under the camera app |
| 12:57.30 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, ping |
| 12:57.38 | jcrawford | pupnik, i see nothing on my device for recording video |
| 12:57.44 | jcrawford | is there a certain app I have to install? |
| 12:57.47 | pupnik | open the camera window |
| 12:57.58 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, ping |
| 12:58.01 | jcrawford | it's open |
| 12:58.02 | pupnik | then click the icon 2nd from the top on the upper right, i think |
| 12:58.11 | pupnik | select camera mode to be 'video' |
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| 12:58.46 | jcrawford | ohh sweet thanks for pointing that out |
| 12:58.48 | jcrawford | :) my bad |
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| 13:00.14 | vldcnst | kakashi_: pong |
| 13:00.35 | jcrawford | any way to send photos via SMS? |
| 13:00.42 | jcrawford | or is that not supported for real lol |
| 13:00.56 | pupnik | that isn't possible, afaik. but you can send photos with mms |
| 13:01.03 | pupnik | search for maemo+fmms |
| 13:01.07 | jcrawford | i tried fmms |
| 13:01.17 | jcrawford | always says it is unable to retreive mms message |
| 13:01.23 | jcrawford | whenever someone sends me anything |
| 13:01.28 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, I got a new battery, I went to the repair center today, but they didn't have the right person! anyways, to flash -- I should try with eMMC content first right? |
| 13:01.41 | vldcnst | kakashi_: no! |
| 13:01.46 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, as the normal one doesn't work |
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| 13:02.05 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, I tried with the PR_Combined arm |
| 13:02.22 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, though I am able to flash, but it gives the same old result |
| 13:02.43 | flailingmonkey | jcrawford, what you think of as "sending pictures with sms" is a marketing lie |
| 13:02.47 | vldcnst | kakashi_: flash rootfs then flash emmc, without rebooting (remove reboot flag from flasher), and use the latest global |
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| 13:03.33 | flailingmonkey | jcrawford, sms has no support for such things. to "extend" it, telcos creating hideous bastard known as mms |
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| 13:03.53 | flailingmonkey | s/creating/created/ |
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| 13:04.48 | jcrawford | flailingmonkey, ok so no way to send with the N900 then? I tried fMMS but it will never download any of the messages that I receive (AT&T) |
| 13:05.44 | flailingmonkey | maemo 5 (fremantle) does not have an mms implementation from Nokia, but fMMS is a working solution. I am also on AT&T and have it working |
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| 13:06.06 | flailingmonkey | it doesn't quite work out of the box/install |
| 13:07.09 | flailingmonkey | but putting in the right proxy settings has it working |
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| 13:08.06 | flailingmonkey | I do suggest reading up on how mms works, it helps explain why its a huge pain in the ass even if its been done before |
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| 13:10.29 | jcrawford | :( |
| 13:10.43 | jcrawford | not sure why i would need proxy settings i am connected via at&t internet |
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| 13:10.48 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, to be thoroughly clear is this the right way --> http://pastie.org/1005292 |
| 13:10.49 | jcrawford | should just download the messages that I get |
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| 13:12.06 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, uh! I am confused after reading this http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9AFlashing%20Nokia%20N900.html |
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| 13:13.13 | vldcnst | kakashi_: pastie is the correct way. |
| 13:13.29 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, okay |
| 13:13.42 | vldcnst | kakashi_: do not manually reboot the device between flashing. |
| 13:13.56 | kakashi_ | okay |
| 13:15.11 | flailingmonkey | the at&t mmsc server doesn't allow connections that don't go through the proxy, is my understanding |
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| 13:15.50 | jcrawford | flailingmonkey, any direction on where I should read about this then? |
| 13:16.10 | flailingmonkey | the fMMS app has a configuration for what proxy to use, so you don't have to change the proxy on the network connection yourself |
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| 13:16.52 | flailingmonkey | for fmms settings (at&t at the bottom) look on the wiki (i don't know if its up at the moment though) |
| 13:17.51 | flailingmonkey | proxyi have mine set to: 66.209.11.32 port 80 |
| 13:17.58 | th3hate | what should i flash first rootfs or emmc? |
| 13:18.10 | th3hate | on pr1.2 |
| 13:18.55 | RST38h | asks the Tentacled One to track down the bastard who invented Tracker and suck his brains out |
| 13:19.18 | RST38h | What an utterly useless CPU hog... |
| 13:19.59 | flailingmonkey | tracker is great. i love how it creates indecies that I don't need at all |
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| 13:20.24 | RST38h | Somebody's wrong idea of how people use their computers... |
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| 13:20.59 | Appiah | computers are for storing your porn |
| 13:21.10 | pupnik | RST38h: i must say it is a poor hack. An Os should be able to tag a mp3 on file-creation |
| 13:21.12 | flailingmonkey | it's google's fault. they didn't start the whole desktop indexing thing but they made it popular |
| 13:21.18 | pupnik | index |
| 13:21.41 | pupnik | the only stuff you need to reindex is a newly inserted micro-SD |
| 13:22.10 | flailingmonkey | thats actually a really good point |
| 13:22.24 | flailingmonkey | it should be part of the filesystem level, not userland |
| 13:22.44 | RST38h | pupnik: Except that your OS does not create MP3s. You copy them from outside. |
| 13:22.48 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, well, I did that ---> result -- seemingly better ---> I only get the dynamic 4 dots after the Nokia-whitescreen |
| 13:23.04 | flailingmonkey | then it would always know when a file changed, instead of polling over and over |
| 13:23.12 | pupnik | RST38h: oh i forgot about usb - ty |
| 13:23.27 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, oops, sorry! Success |
| 13:23.29 | N900evil | new meme? |
| 13:23.30 | RST38h | pupnik: Anyways, I do not want any indexing at all. Well able to use some MP3Tags tool to index and rename my own files |
| 13:23.32 | kakashi_ | vldcnst, thanks a lot |
| 13:23.40 | cure` | i like tracker after sorting out what it shouldnt track, it is however nasty indeed |
| 13:23.42 | N900evil | maemo trims? http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4702644921/ |
| 13:23.44 | vldcnst | kakashi_: hehe, I was waiting :) |
| 13:23.45 | kakashi_ | th3hate, Ideal way -- rootfs then the emmc |
| 13:23.58 | kakashi_ | :) |
| 13:24.21 | pupnik | RST38h: just disable tracker in the /etc then |
| 13:24.51 | Dassu | Btw, any word on ~qwerty potrait keyboard? |
| 13:25.46 | RST38h | pupnik: oh no, it is not that easy |
| 13:25.58 | RST38h | pupnik: if you do it, the media player stops seeing music |
| 13:26.14 | pupnik | yeah i did that. media player could still launch mp3s from file manager |
| 13:26.22 | pupnik | and i used mplayer for the rest |
| 13:26.53 | N900evil | look at symphonie in devel |
| 13:27.05 | RST38h | Is Symphonie good? |
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| 13:30.17 | DocScrutinizer2 | kakashi_: wrong! you need to boot a freshly flashed new rootfs *after* you flashed eMMC |
| 13:30.36 | LiraNuna | Anyone experiencing IM connection drops? |
| 13:30.39 | LiraNuna | someone told me it's my router but now I'm on 3.5G |
| 13:30.43 | LiraNuna | dropping every 10 minutes or so |
| 13:31.05 | kakashi_ | DocScrutinizer, I just did the other way round and it worked perfectly, btw -- my device was completely bricked |
| 13:32.19 | killefiz | LiraNuna: if it's a jabber connection and the server is openfire then this is a known issue with openfire which doesn't have a released fix yet because $upstream seems to be dead |
| 13:32.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | kakashi_: when you flash a new eMMC, then for sure you won't see a perfectly working device unless you also flash new rootfs. New rootfs means unbooted rootfs here |
| 13:33.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | kakashi_: so if you correctly do like sugested and don't reboot between eMMc and rootfs flash then you get no problems either way |
| 13:33.55 | flailingmonkey | yes, that was what he was told to do, after getting stuck |
| 13:34.13 | kakashi_ | aha! I missed that point, yes I ididn't reboot in between the two flashes |
| 13:34.23 | kakashi_ | DocScrutinizer, my bad! sorry! that is most important |
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| 13:34.45 | flailingmonkey | i think making sure not to reboot is very often missed |
| 13:35.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | if you fail, and reboot, then a frshly flashed new rootfs can cope with a tainted eMMC, but not the other way round |
| 13:35.23 | kakashi_ | exactly, and that is the reason I had to buy a new battery :( |
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| 13:36.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | and that's the rationale behind flashing eMMC first, THEN rootfs |
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| 13:48.03 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~flashing |
| 13:48.04 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 13:52.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
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| 14:14.36 | jcrawford | hrm ok i got fmms to receive mms but cannot send doh |
| 14:14.45 | jcrawford | times out when i try to send something |
| 14:16.24 | MiXu- | I had some weird issues with it too earlier. Got a new N900 and installed it -> now it works. |
| 14:16.47 | MiXu- | But I'm not suggesting you should buy a new one. Reflashing might help :D |
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| 14:21.27 | jcrawford | ohhh i think i got it to work :) |
| 14:21.32 | jcrawford | thanks flailingmonkey |
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| 14:39.07 | SpeedEvil | kak?\ |
| 14:39.10 | SpeedEvil | kakashi_: \ |
| 14:40.12 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, uh! sorry, I was just asking some doubts while I was re-flashing, I could solve yesterday's problem, it was mostly because of the phone's battery |
| 14:41.01 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:41.03 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 14:51.55 | FIQ | lol, i did it |
| 14:51.57 | FIQ | http://rapidfiles.net/images/47985Screenshot-20100615-164847.png |
| 14:52.04 | FIQ | exceeded 100k in BE |
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| 14:54.17 | alterego | flergh, how long is maemo.org goin' to be down ... :/ |
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| 14:54.50 | spb | three days, fourteen hours and thirty-eight minutes exactly |
| 14:55.15 | DocScrutinizer2 | and 456 femtosec |
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| 14:57.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | kakashi_: were you able to recharge the old battery after you fixed your problem? So you now can use it again? |
| 14:57.47 | kakashi_ | DocScrutinizer, yep that is working |
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| 14:58.22 | kakashi_ | DocScrutinizer, that prompts me to look for a solution, if someone has the same kind of problem |
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| 14:59.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | that solution being like what? |
| 14:59.18 | kakashi_ | charge the battery |
| 14:59.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | hmm, yes |
| 14:59.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | obviously |
| 15:00.04 | kakashi_ | its a big pain, I went to the nokia center and they didn't have the "right person" to help me out |
| 15:00.06 | sivang | where do you file bugs for things not officially support by nokia, e.g. extras-devel or extras? |
| 15:00.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | on the bugtracker mentioned in the package |
| 15:00.53 | frals | the package should have a bugtracker on maemo.org/packages/view/<packagename> |
| 15:01.04 | kakashi_ | I had to buy a new battery specifically for this purpose (ofcourse I am not complaining, the battery should come handy) |
| 15:01.05 | sivang | DocScrutinizer2: so each package has its own bugtracker? a'la garage? |
| 15:01.24 | frals | each package should have a reference to where bugss are to be reported |
| 15:03.23 | sivang | oh darn, it is down :) |
| 15:03.26 | sivang | So I can't check. |
| 15:03.30 | sivang | oh well |
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| 15:04.00 | hrw | someone remember who did chromium port for maemo? |
| 15:04.18 | DocScrutinizer2 | check the package itself (the .deb) if you find it somewhere, aiui it should have that info as well |
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| 15:06.51 | hrw | my irc logs said jacekowski |
| 15:07.08 | hrw | jacekowski: do you still have your chromium changes available somewhere? |
| 15:07.17 | jacekowski | i do |
| 15:07.29 | jacekowski | i have plan to make my own repository |
| 15:07.33 | jacekowski | but it's WIP at the moment |
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| 15:07.43 | jacekowski | as i do have shitloads of other things to do |
| 15:08.14 | hrw | jacekowski: I know one guy who works on getting chromium working for armv7 and he has some problems with it |
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| 15:15.57 | jacekowski | hrw: cortex == armv7 |
| 15:16.35 | jacekowski | X-Fade: are you there? |
| 15:18.30 | hrw | yep |
| 15:19.14 | jacekowski | if i manage to get maemo builder configs from X-Fade i will make my own repo probably today or tomorrow |
| 15:19.21 | jacekowski | if not it will take longer |
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| 15:44.25 | flailingmonkey | my bet is that X-Fade's very busy at the moment |
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| 15:49.52 | lbt | X-Fade: ping.... need an OK from you |
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| 16:01.14 | benno2 | question about the accelerometer: I read the file /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord but a standard app does not run with root privileges and I get permission denies. while as root it works. so what should a maemo app do, set the SUID root flag when installing the deb ? |
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| 16:14.05 | lcuk2 | benno2, user can read the /sys branch for acclerometers |
| 16:14.11 | lcuk2 | you are doing something wrong :P |
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| 16:15.05 | lcuk2 | benno2, many apps make use of the accerometer http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 16:16.11 | pexi | what is the best way to read acc in terms of ease of use and accuracy? |
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| 16:17.42 | benno2 | lcuk2, but why does it fail ? I did nothing special. an app packed in a .deb and installed it in /opt/myapp/myapp |
| 16:18.00 | lcuk2 | right, and specifically whats happening.. |
| 16:18.31 | lcuk2 | Nokia-N900:~$ whoami |
| 16:18.31 | lcuk2 | user |
| 16:18.31 | lcuk2 | Nokia-N900:~$ cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:18.31 | lcuk2 | 18 918 -504 |
| 16:18.31 | lcuk2 | Nokia-N900:~$ |
| 16:18.39 | benno2 | and when issuing cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord on the xterm it gives me permission denied, but if I do sudo gain root first then it works. it's a N900 with PR 1.2 |
| 16:19.14 | benno2 | perhaps the update to PR 1.2 did screw up the permissions ? |
| 16:19.15 | lcuk2 | sounds like someone/thing has borked up sudo for that branch.. |
| 16:19.24 | lcuk2 | doubt it really |
| 16:19.39 | benno2 | lcuk2, you running PR 1.2 ? |
| 16:19.51 | lcuk2 | errr ill say yes |
| 16:20.06 | lcuk2 | but i know this has worked from day 1 |
| 16:20.10 | lcuk2 | from before day 1 |
| 16:20.21 | benno2 | lcuk2, the question is if I use SUID root on my bin, is that bad ? eg not allowed into ovi store etc ? |
| 16:20.47 | lcuk2 | suid on your bin is wrong if you dont need it to be |
| 16:20.54 | benno2 | I tried to search on the net but no postings about permission denied |
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| 16:21.16 | lcuk2 | well could you explain your problem beyond "i get permission denied" |
| 16:21.20 | jacekowski | yeah, works for me |
| 16:22.41 | lcuk2 | benno2, did this ever work on your app? |
| 16:22.55 | benno2 | lcuk2, the question is that N900 is pretty standard, had PR 1.1 and got updated to PR 1.2 OTA IIRC, how can I develop an app and be sure that it will not fail on some N900. |
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| 16:23.52 | benno2 | lcuk2, I did not try SUID root yet, but it was just an idea to solve the problem. I know it's not the best way but we need to understand why it works on your N900 while on on that other one not |
| 16:24.11 | lcuk2 | benno2, your device sounds special, theres so many apps and games and programs using the accelerometer, and in my position i would have heard about specifics |
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| 16:25.36 | benno2 | lcuk2, I understand, but that N900 to a non-geek user, he told me he did PR 1.2 update via wifi, so I was wondering what I could do to track down the problem |
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| 16:26.14 | lcuk2 | benno2, start by pasteinning your /etc/sudoers |
| 16:26.24 | benno2 | lcuk2, ok, just a sec |
| 16:26.38 | lcuk2 | something is stopping regular user from catting that /sys branch |
| 16:27.02 | lcuk2 | waves @ Sampppa o |
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| 16:28.01 | Sampppa | lcuk2 hey |
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| 16:30.40 | N900evil | takes a horrible risk. |
| 16:31.12 | N900evil | I have plugged a disk into my laptop,that if the BIOS became corrupt... |
| 16:31.16 | N900evil | Might |
| 16:31.19 | N900evil | boot |
| 16:31.26 | N900evil | windows! |
| 16:31.45 | tripzero | ew |
| 16:31.48 | tripzero | don't do that |
| 16:31.51 | tripzero | that would be silly |
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| 16:32.34 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 16:32.37 | xDaReaperx | maemo.org down ? |
| 16:33.08 | achipa | yeah, retired |
| 16:33.10 | jacekowski | yep |
| 16:33.32 | Stskeeps | xDaReaperx: we gave up, too many trolls |
| 16:33.43 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 16:33.56 | b-man | hehehe |
| 16:34.15 | xDaReaperx | i just wanted to know if it was down , heck i got more info now |
| 16:34.15 | flailingmonkey | talk.maemo.org is still up |
| 16:34.24 | flailingmonkey | so its more like the trolls took over |
| 16:34.33 | achipa | flailingmonkey: strategic choice. If we shut it down, they would come after us |
| 16:34.41 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 16:34.44 | b-man | sometimes maemo.org gets slow when there is a lot of traffic |
| 16:34.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | N900evil: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdX bs=256 count=1 |
| 16:35.22 | SpeedEvil | It's even a legitimately owned copy of windows. |
| 16:35.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | or maybe better use cfdisk |
| 16:35.50 | pupnik | hows the weather DocScrutinizer2 |
| 16:35.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | still easy to toggle the "bootable" bit |
| 16:36.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~weather EDDN |
| 16:36.11 | pupnik | beautiful here in glorious hessia |
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| 16:37.30 | xDaReaperx | ~weather Bahrain |
| 16:37.32 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 16:37.38 | xDaReaperx | fail |
| 16:37.45 | lcuk2 | benno2, did you fall down the toilet |
| 16:37.48 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~fail xDaReaperx |
| 16:37.49 | infobot | xDaReaperx, you Fail! |
| 16:38.02 | b-man | ~weather Detroit |
| 16:38.05 | xDaReaperx | the bot fails to fail |
| 16:38.10 | xDaReaperx | more fail lol |
| 16:38.13 | lcuk2 | ~weather ISS |
| 16:38.19 | DocScrutinizer2 | don't you guys ever learn? |
| 16:38.20 | xDaReaperx | -_- |
| 16:38.32 | benno2 | lcuk2, the problem is it's on my friend's N900 and he is a noob, so he is not so fast with shell cmds, and file transfers. just a moment |
| 16:38.32 | xDaReaperx | ~weather Al Manama |
| 16:38.34 | lcuk2 | ~weather DocScrutinizer2 |
| 16:38.41 | tg | wtf |
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| 16:38.53 | b-man | DocScrutinizer2: apparently not lol |
| 16:38.56 | tg | ah, the /tg/ in the url ;] |
| 16:39.01 | flailingmonkey | ~weather KPHL |
| 16:39.03 | Surfa | comeon... |
| 16:39.49 | lcuk2 | benno2, dont worry i dont expect you or your friend to be a god at linux ;) but whats happening is certainly strange and is not normal. user can and should be able to read the /sys/ accelerometer branch (as we have shown and confirmed) |
| 16:40.32 | benno2 | lcuk2, he said he cannot access /sys in general from xterm, now he tries to copy /etc/sudoers as root to MyDocs and send it to me |
| 16:41.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | err what? |
| 16:41.14 | lcuk2 | scroll back up a bit |
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| 16:41.31 | lcuk2 | there was a netsplit about 5 mins ago ;) |
| 16:41.37 | lcuk2 | and it was discussed then |
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| 16:41.55 | b-man | starts translating all of the comments in liblproc's source code from Spanish to English |
| 16:42.20 | flailingmonkey | better than dealing with French SQL |
| 16:42.23 | lcuk2 | b-man, why translate them! comments are for wusses, just regex them out! |
| 16:42.49 | lcuk2 | its variable names that will be bigger problem |
| 16:42.57 | b-man | lcuk2: well, i'm already 2/3 done lol |
| 16:43.00 | lcuk2 | but i suppose you could factor those out too |
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| 16:43.08 | lcuk2 | b-man, cant be a big codebase then |
| 16:43.26 | b-man | about 6 c and h files |
| 16:43.50 | b-man | but they have a lot of content |
| 16:44.02 | valdyn | how likely is it "he" just tried to *run* the file / directory instead of opening it? |
| 16:44.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | lcuk2: sudo?? |
| 16:44.45 | lcuk2 | valdyn, who are "you" talking about? |
| 16:44.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~ $ ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:44.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Jun 15 13:12 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:44.57 | valdyn | lcuk2: benno2 |
| 16:45.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | that makes a lot of sense valdyn |
| 16:45.56 | lcuk2 | DocScrutinizer2, sure, its owned by root, but user can still read it |
| 16:46.03 | b-man | g2g get a haircut to taim my crazy hair - c ya |
| 16:46.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | lcuk2: exactly. How comes sudoers to the game? |
| 16:46.28 | lcuk2 | and i might be wrong looking in sudoers \?/ |
| 16:46.34 | valdyn | you are |
| 16:46.41 | lcuk2 | but he mentioned adding stuff and mucking with it ;) |
| 16:47.09 | valdyn | that could break sudo , but it couldnt break the cases where sudo does not need to be involved, like reading /sys |
| 16:47.11 | lcuk2 | so what would change permissions of /sys/ branch so user cant access it.. |
| 16:47.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | a kernel change |
| 16:47.28 | valdyn | lcuk2: some non-trivial modifications to /etc/fstab |
| 16:47.39 | valdyn | ( non-trivial for |
| 16:47.40 | lcuk2 | simpler options? |
| 16:47.42 | valdyn | ( non-trivial for hime ) |
| 16:47.47 | flailingmonkey | basically, he might be trying to execute the file in /sys, instead to reading it with cat, etc |
| 16:47.50 | benno2 | lcuk2, here is the user's sudoers file which cannot read the accelerometer: http://pastebin.ca/1883717 |
| 16:47.53 | valdyn | s/hime/him |
| 16:47.57 | lcuk2 | flailingmonkey, he said cat failed |
| 16:48.08 | lcuk2 | benno2, we are discussing you :P |
| 16:48.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | lcuk2: chmod go-r */*/*/*/coord |
| 16:49.21 | DocScrutinizer2 | benno2: please get cmdline and output of ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:49.30 | valdyn | benno2: you can trivially look at the permissions on that file ^^ |
| 16:49.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | also of cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:50.29 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer2, as user you get permission denied when doing ls -ls /sys/class/.... unfortunately my friend with the N900 will be online only in 1h, so we can continue with the tests. |
| 16:50.36 | benno2 | ls -la |
| 16:50.58 | benno2 | lcuk2, did you see anything wrong in the sudoers file ? |
| 16:51.04 | DocScrutinizer2 | benno2: nope |
| 16:51.07 | lcuk2 | no :D |
| 16:51.08 | flailingmonkey | thats right, benno2 you don't have an N900! |
| 16:51.19 | valdyn | benno2: why would you get permission denied there? |
| 16:51.32 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~ $ ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord && id |
| 16:51.33 | DocScrutinizer2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Jun 15 13:12 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:51.35 | DocScrutinizer2 | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
| 16:52.07 | lcuk2 | valdyn, thats his question.. |
| 16:52.22 | lcuk2 | strange permission denied things trying to read from /sys branch |
| 16:52.24 | nextime | ~ $ ls -l /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord && id |
| 16:52.25 | nextime | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Jun 15 12:00 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 16:52.25 | nextime | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) |
| 16:52.25 | nextime | ~ $ |
| 16:52.26 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, $ is a dollar sign |
| 16:52.26 | benno2 | valdyn, no idea, what I could try is to ask my freind to install an app that uses the accelerometer and see if it works. |
| 16:52.39 | valdyn | benno2: ask him to list the directories, and not to run them |
| 16:53.12 | valdyn | benno2: unusuable /sys breaks alot more than just the accelerometer |
| 16:53.21 | lcuk2 | benno2, just output the exact result of that one little ls -l /sys/... command DocScrutinizer2 asked you to do |
| 16:53.33 | valdyn | ( im not sure if his desktop would even run ) |
| 16:53.54 | flailingmonkey | guys, he can't. he has to ask his friend to do all these tests |
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| 16:56.03 | lcuk2 | flailingmonkey, soon he can :P |
| 16:56.08 | lcuk2 | vanishes anyway |
| 16:56.57 | benno2 | valdyn, lcuk2: ok, as soon as he comes online I will post the stuff on pastebin |
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| 17:01.45 | benno2 | flailingmonkey, I start realizing that doing maemo development this way is getting quite tiresome :) testing on scratchbox is not like testing on the real thing :) but for those small initial apps (which already work on other Qt targets) I should succed, then at a later stage I can get an N900. :) |
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| 17:02.39 | flailingmonkey | indeed. most people also assume you have the device in front of you |
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| 17:04.22 | flailingmonkey | I will say that seeing your creations on your own device, and being able to use them is a lot of fun |
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| 17:05.40 | benno2 | flailingmonkey, yes, but at least my porting efforts can point out some problems. for example QAudioInput seems to have 5000msec latency when recording, making it useless for interactive audio apps. I'll continune to track the issue down until I find the root of the problem. but looking at the source of QAudio* it seems like the class is incomplete (buffer sizes hardcoded), and then comes pulse audio with its alsa emulation layer. |
| 17:05.49 | marmoute | ~weather CDG |
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| 17:07.15 | marmoute | ~weather LFPO |
| 17:07.29 | SpeedEvil | ~weather EDIN |
| 17:07.53 | flailingmonkey | benno2, double trouble. having audio work and having it work well are very different things |
| 17:08.26 | SpeedEvil | ~weather EGPN |
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| 17:11.51 | benno2 | flailingmonkey, when we startet the linuxsampler project linux was not even up to the task to provide dropout free low latency audio. so we started writing testing tools and collaborating with kernel developers, they started produce patches and after 1-2 years linux was finally able to do it out of the box (preemption needs to be enabled, not all distros enable it, but at least it is there) |
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| 17:15.27 | xDaReaperx | lul wut http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5932/aavamobilemeego.jpg |
| 17:15.31 | flailingmonkey | benno2, test cases and metrics are a great way to win over kernel devs :-) |
| 17:16.04 | lcuk2 | benno2, 5000msec? |
| 17:16.30 | benno2 | flailingmonkey, yes the only. if you can back up your claims then they listen. and the same is probably true for Qt devs. |
| 17:17.14 | flailingmonkey | yes, especially when it comes to audio. the usual response is that its a broken configuration, yadda yadda |
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| 17:17.52 | flailingmonkey | oo, maemo.org is back up |
| 17:17.53 | benno2 | lcuk2, yes, seems incredible but it is so. just opening QAudioInput f=44100 mono, 16bit bufsize=2048 bytes and it says real bufsize around 8000-9000 , chans=2 and if you speak into the mic the data appears a few secs later in the QAudioInput class |
| 17:18.48 | xDaReaperx | yeah maemo.org is back |
| 17:18.59 | lcuk2 | yeah it is incredible, i have something using a bodgered arecord and its pretty spritely |
| 17:19.02 | xDaReaperx | just that it loads so slow |
| 17:19.13 | benno2 | lcuk2, I can write a qt test app, but cannot guarantee when it will be done, we are contemplating to try out the gstreamer interface for audio input. the strange thing is that QAudioOutput works, the latency is decent (probably 100-200msec) |
| 17:19.20 | flailingmonkey | but some parts of the site are broken |
| 17:19.38 | flailingmonkey | screen shorts, many images |
| 17:20.24 | lcuk2 | benno2, is 0.2 second decent? :$ |
| 17:20.44 | lcuk2 | i know in the past on mplayer classic on my windows box i have to fiddle with latency for some movies |
| 17:21.04 | benno2 | lcuk2, ok , not terrible. decent = 50 msec, excellent 5msec |
| 17:21.29 | lcuk2 | godlike -2msec ;) |
| 17:22.18 | lbt | Open Letter/Proposal to allow Maemo on the MeeGo Community OBS : http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-June/001041.html |
| 17:22.35 | benno2 | lcuk2, given that a DAC introduces 2msec delay too, and sound travels 1meter in 3msec, the difference is not big. therefore around 5msec is a good tradeoff providing "instant" response and not too high cpu usage |
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| 17:22.54 | lcuk2 | sure |
| 17:23.12 | lcuk2 | just hearing 5 seconds of lag sounds wrong |
| 17:23.59 | SpeedEvil | Where are you getting 'a DAC introduces' from? |
| 17:24.00 | flailingmonkey | the only apps that record sound developed by Nokia are closed so we don't have examples |
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| 17:25.59 | lcuk2 | huh flailingmonkey ? arecord works |
| 17:26.15 | lcuk2 | and the soundboard pulse(?) is accessible |
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| 17:26.44 | RST38h | reads the drama in bug #10353 |
| 17:26.45 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10353 result of USSD query should not be shown to user at all (If he wishes that) |
| 17:28.18 | flailingmonkey | neither are Qt apps :P |
| 17:28.39 | flailingmonkey | nor GTK apps* |
| 17:29.07 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, read the data sheet of a DAC (digital analog converter), they are not latency free. since they contain capacitors etc. so 1-2msec is added |
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| 17:29.13 | SpeedEvil | benno2: Nope |
| 17:29.24 | SpeedEvil | benno2: The latency is at most half a sample typically |
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| 17:29.34 | SpeedEvil | It has to be - there is no analog storage. |
| 17:29.41 | SpeedEvil | (other than parasitic capacitances) |
| 17:30.02 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Bus_I2c Hmm. |
| 17:30.10 | SpeedEvil | Is that showing up with no CSS for anyone else? |
| 17:30.18 | SpeedEvil | (which coincidentally vastly improves the rendering) |
| 17:30.38 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, are we talking about an audio (eg 16/24bit 48kHz) DAC ? |
| 17:30.38 | RST38h | dunno, seems to have css |
| 17:30.43 | flux | no css for me |
| 17:30.47 | SpeedEvil | benno2: yes |
| 17:30.55 | Stskeeps | benno2: odd question, did you ever do any L4 related stuff? :P |
| 17:31.22 | SpeedEvil | benno2: For it to have 2ms delay - it would need to internally store 88 samples. It has nowhere to do this. |
| 17:31.30 | MohammadAG51 | slaps Stskeeps with a "why doesn't my ts work in Ubuntu" |
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| 17:31.43 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: dunno, you figure it out |
| 17:31.48 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: chances are you forgot to load the module |
| 17:31.56 | MohammadAG51 | there's a ts module? |
| 17:31.59 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 17:32.01 | Stskeeps | tsc2005 |
| 17:32.02 | MohammadAG51 | I installed the libraries |
| 17:32.10 | Stskeeps | also |
| 17:32.12 | MohammadAG51 | tslib, ts binaries |
| 17:32.18 | Stskeeps | what ubuntu version? |
| 17:32.18 | benno2 | Stskeeps, no L4 here, no need for microkernels when vanilla linux solves most real time related problems. I did some stuff with RTLinux , generating pulses for a servo motor, but the jitter is too big a few dozen usecs cause the motor to vibrate and reduces it's life |
| 17:32.23 | MohammadAG51 | 9.10 |
| 17:32.27 | Stskeeps | benno2: ah, wrong benno then |
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| 17:34.41 | flailingmonkey | bug warrrrsss |
| 17:35.26 | benno2 | lcuk2, of course 5 secs is wrong. Nokia did not do their homework when writing QAudio* on maemo, they want to push it as the only api to use in order to port mobile apps to any platform (symbian,maemo,meego) but publish incomplete,buggy stuff. yet maemo is capable of low latency, otherwise voip apps like skype would not work. and exactly things like those turn off prospective devs and make them look around for other platforms, like the iphone. I'm not an iphon |
| 17:35.26 | benno2 | e fan nor do I plan to develop for. but looking at the apps every stupid developer can achieve fast audio response for both input and output, eg musical instrument apps, vocoders etc. |
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| 17:36.17 | RST38h | linux solves realtime problems? |
| 17:36.31 | RST38h | how come then, we have to wait for seconds, while "vanilla linux" is s |
| 17:36.31 | RST38h | ÿÿ - ÿ |
| 17:36.31 | RST38h | ïï¾ï¨ï¸ï»ï° ïµïµ ï´ï°ï²ï½ï¾ ï¿ï¾ÿïµÿ |
| 17:36.35 | Mousey | woah |
| 17:36.41 | Mousey | line noise! |
| 17:36.41 | RST38h | shit |
| 17:36.41 | SpeedEvil | benno2: subm |
| 17:36.45 | SpeedEvil | it a bug |
| 17:36.59 | RST38h | How come then we have to wait for seconds while "vanilla linux" is accessing mmc? |
| 17:37.25 | SpeedEvil | We have lutefisk linux? |
| 17:37.35 | flailingmonkey | The matrix is bleeding in |
| 17:37.53 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, doesn't another OS use the same kernel -> same modules? |
| 17:38.03 | benno2 | I am not giving up because I think Qt on mobile phone is the future, write once run (almost) everywhere. but Nokia needs to provide some quality assurance so that things works out of the box. if they have problems with audio stuff they can ask for advices ( people, linux-audio-dev list, us from the linuxsampler project, jackd team etc) |
| 17:38.32 | RST38h | benno2 <--- is really new to this thing, apparently |
| 17:38.35 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: go look for tsc2005.ko .. |
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| 17:38.52 | benno2 | RST38h, that depends on the driver, normwally with a preemtive kernel you get quite low latency , single digit msec response |
| 17:39.04 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, it's in /lib/modules..., I know where modules are |
| 17:39.20 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: well, you need to load that then |
| 17:39.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:39.23 | benno2 | RST38h, if you need more (50-100usec, then you have to go RTLinux,RTAI etc). but for desktop apps single msec response times are ok |
| 17:39.33 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: also, you probably need to look at how meego xorg.conf looks |
| 17:39.38 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: on meego n900 |
| 17:39.39 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, lol it uses the same kernel, shouldn't it get loaded by default? |
| 17:39.44 | MohammadAG51 | I used the Mer one |
| 17:39.49 | MohammadAG51 | from gitorious |
| 17:39.53 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: no, live isn't fair |
| 17:40.20 | benno2 | RST38h, sometimes some hardware drivers are buggy and hold a software lock for long time, blocking the system. it's not linux' fault. there is even a tool, latencytop which shows you where the problem might be, in what code section |
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| 17:41.01 | RST38h | Linux is not even soft-realtime |
| 17:41.12 | RST38h | And you are talking about hard-realtime |
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| 17:43.32 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, don't worry I will submit the bug and will not shut up until QAudio* works correctly on all platforms. I think developers don't deserve using a different audio API on each platform when Qt can do everything for them. and maemo is quite a big mess, many audio APIs in parallel, which IMHO are a distraction and complicate things. it might ease the porting of some apps though, but who nowadays wants to use the esound api ? |
| 17:44.19 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 17:44.37 | SpeedEvil | s/esound/pusaudio/ |
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| 17:45.01 | RST38h | sighs |
| 17:45.09 | benno2 | RST38h, I never used the word hard real time. and the definition of soft real time is that you are not guaranteed to get x usec response times. it might work on 99.9% of cases but there might be outliers. so technically each OS is soft real time, it's just a matter of the average response time. |
| 17:45.17 | RST38h | Poor benno2, he has his fight ahead of him |
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| 17:45.50 | RST38h | moo, zap |
| 17:45.50 | flux | hm, does Phonon provide the ability to stream data from your sound generating function? |
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| 17:46.31 | benno2 | RST38h, don't worry. :) if every problem was solved too easily life would be boring |
| 17:46.58 | RST38h | benno2: I doubt your "problem" will be solved |
| 17:47.12 | RST38h | "Not a blocker. Not critical. WONTFIX." |
| 17:47.27 | benno2 | RST38h, you mean QAudio* ? we will see |
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| 17:53.09 | flux | hmph, it seems hacky. you would need to subclass QIODevice and generate avi, mp3 or mpg from it?! |
| 17:55.04 | benno2 | flux, last time I checked phonon was not able to do it, which is sad becaue it would be useful some times. sometimes like QAudio* where you can define your own QIODevice and do the stuff in the read,write calls |
| 17:55.56 | flux | benno2, well, pulseaudio has it beat in that, then :) |
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| 17:58.39 | flux | btw, pulseaudios easy api is indeed quite easy |
| 17:58.56 | flux | the 'real' api, on the other hand, not so. not to mention it's basically undocumented. |
| 17:59.09 | benno2 | flux, if nokia used jackd on the N900 instead of pulse audio we would get stable 5msec audio latency from any app. and with a very easy to use API. there is simply no more performant system than jackd. it was developed by expert members of the linux audio community which too are authors of audio apps which require low latencies like ardour,linuxsampler and others. So sad that Nokia did not do their homework and are continuing to use the same stuff in Meego |
| 18:00.09 | flux | benno2, but does jack have all the stuff pulseaudio has, especially from the volume level controlling side? |
| 18:00.23 | flux | the additional daemons could be built, of course |
| 18:00.32 | flux | jack would indeed be quite nice |
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| 18:01.50 | benno2 | flux, jack provides an API to control any aspect of the routing between sources and sinks and you can write helpers, virtual mixers etc. so the scenario of jackd on maemo would be jackd as the base and a mixer jack daemon which routes the various channels, mixes applies volume, DSP stuff etc. |
| 18:03.03 | flux | does meego use pulseaudio as well? |
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| 18:03.42 | benno2 | and jack gives you fine grained control over latency etc. a client on jack exactly knows what the real latency will be, etc. pulse just lies, resamples on the fly, uses intermediary buffers, adjust buffer sizes to odd sizes etc. |
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| 18:04.55 | benno2 | flux, http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture , click on the picture and you will see pulse audio |
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| 18:05.46 | flux | well, I can see why they would like to stay with it. perhaps the.. devil you know is better than the devil you don't?-) |
| 18:07.15 | xDaReaperx | hey is there any free word , excel document opening software for N900 ? |
| 18:07.20 | xDaReaperx | i searched the web but couldnt find |
| 18:07.31 | flailingmonkey | at least with meego, we could try an experiment to replace pulse with jack? maemo isn't going to work just because the closed apps depend on pulse |
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| 18:08.28 | frals | xDaReaperx: koffice i think from repos? |
| 18:08.44 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 18:08.57 | xDaReaperx | which repository , ? the devel or extras |
| 18:09.06 | flailingmonkey | benno2, you could probably try putting jack on a meego netbook, as a very first step |
| 18:10.41 | benno2 | flux, yes of course. but OTOH I am disappinted that such a big company like Nokia cannot work in a more organized way before taking important decisions like multimedia architecture. I can understand a joesixpack 2-man company but but not Nokia. it's embassing and yet they are helplessly watching like their smartphone share shrinks by the day. but I hope they do their homework in future, since with Qt etc, the platforms they have are really open and flexible. |
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| 18:11.43 | benno2 | flailingmonkey, it will probably work out of the box if jackd can access the raw ALSA device. meego is just a linux distro. but what counts is what audio api they ship with. we cannot tell mego users to kill pulse audio on their phones and install jackd :) |
| 18:12.14 | frals | start a discussion in #meego, i heard its an open project ;-) |
| 18:12.21 | MohammadAG51 | Lies |
| 18:12.28 | frals | slaps MohammadAG51 around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:12.30 | MohammadAG51 | it's as closed as fMMS is |
| 18:12.51 | frals | busted, doh! :< |
| 18:12.59 | flailingmonkey | open code, closed decisions? |
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| 18:13.40 | MohammadAG51 | frals fMMS worked :D |
| 18:13.45 | Stskeeps | moo frals |
| 18:13.45 | MohammadAG51 | idk how |
| 18:13.52 | frals | oom Stskeeps |
| 18:13.58 | frals | MohammadAG51: :D |
| 18:14.16 | frals | Stskeeps: arriving in HEL tomorrow? |
| 18:14.57 | jaska | hell |
| 18:15.09 | frals | currently feel like a goldfish wrt to memory/attention span |
| 18:15.09 | MohammadAG51 | Helsenki smartass :P |
| 18:15.20 | frals | helsinki! |
| 18:15.26 | jaska | hell-sink-i |
| 18:15.42 | lcuk2 | frals, automatic MMS sending every 5 seconds from camera to yourself |
| 18:15.53 | lcuk2 | then when you feel lost just take a look |
| 18:16.06 | MohammadAG51 | with an I, never noticed that |
| 18:16.17 | MohammadAG51 | frals, you're Finnish? |
| 18:16.32 | Stskeeps | frals: i'm here by now but really tired |
| 18:16.33 | jaska | i think hes a swede, even if his surname sounds finnish |
| 18:16.39 | frals | lcuk2: will set it up when i get my new sim... mms costs me 0.69⬠+ 3⬠per MB on my swedish plan here :p |
| 18:16.47 | frals | MohammadAG51: negative, swedish |
| 18:16.53 | frals | Stskeeps: :) |
| 18:16.54 | lcuk2 | frals, 10 seconds then? :D |
| 18:17.04 | frals | :D |
| 18:17.45 | lcuk2 | are swedes known for their trout? |
| 18:17.51 | Scelt | frals: can you drink a basket of 24 bottles of beer without puking or passing out? |
| 18:18.06 | frals | whats the timelimit? ;) |
| 18:18.20 | Scelt | well, in a day is enough |
| 18:18.21 | lcuk2 | i see what you did there! |
| 18:18.36 | jaska | day, lol |
| 18:18.40 | frals | we have this thing called 'backhävf' where you do that... but its between 2 persons and in like an hour |
| 18:18.50 | jaska | drink a case without peeing! |
| 18:19.13 | Sampppa | frals: then you will get bakis :D |
| 18:19.30 | Scelt | frals: okay, we have kossu (38 % booze) for that. don't have to drink so much |
| 18:19.33 | frals | Sampppa: :D |
| 18:19.43 | frals | lcuk2: we are known for avoiding questions! ;) |
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| 18:19.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | heh council, now you talk! :-D |
| 18:19.57 | frals | Scelt: its a student contest typethingy ;-) |
| 18:20.14 | Scelt | frals: I can imagine that |
| 18:20.17 | frals | Sampppa: what have you done to valerio btw? :D |
| 18:20.34 | Sampppa | what do you mean? :D |
| 18:21.06 | Scelt | jaska: drinking 12 bottles in an hour and half is not nice anymore. it's more like driking as there's no tomorrow instead of enjoying |
| 18:21.20 | frals | Sampppa: where is he? :D |
| 18:21.23 | Sampppa | frals: i heard that there is some football tournament going on.... |
| 18:21.52 | frals | bah, soccerr is for girls and britts |
| 18:21.58 | Sampppa | and portuguese... |
| 18:22.02 | Scelt | SOCCERRRRRR |
| 18:22.08 | Scelt | no one calls it soccer |
| 18:22.14 | Sampppa | ice hockey is our game |
| 18:22.14 | Scelt | it's football |
| 18:22.15 | Sampppa | :) |
| 18:22.21 | lcuk2 | BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTT |
| 18:22.23 | jaska | watching grass grow is more entertaining than football |
| 18:22.35 | flailingmonkey | except us americahns :P |
| 18:22.41 | Scelt | I bet you guys don't like any sports ;D |
| 18:22.54 | lcuk2 | course we do |
| 18:23.05 | lcuk2 | office chair olympics rule |
| 18:23.08 | MohammadAG51 | coding doesn't count as a sport |
| 18:23.15 | Sampppa | :D |
| 18:23.21 | frals | Sampppa: yeah, ice hockey is one of few sports worth watching on tv ;) |
| 18:23.22 | flailingmonkey | Olympic Compiling |
| 18:23.33 | Sampppa | frals specially when swe vs fin ... :D |
| 18:23.35 | MohammadAG51 | My i5 wins! |
| 18:24.15 | frals | Sampppa: ^^ |
| 18:24.27 | lcuk2 | i hear in .fi the sauna world championchips are coming up/just been |
| 18:24.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | lbt: just an URL to meego/mailman would have been nice, for all the maemo-devel readers |
| 18:24.48 | Scelt | lcuk2: Finnish tv made a filter to filter out that noise |
| 18:24.54 | lcuk2 | tho, like baseball and american football, its a sport won only by the founding country |
| 18:25.05 | Sampppa | luck2: but thats not nice to watch....well maybe the ladies serie... :) |
| 18:25.23 | lcuk2 | i wouldnt know Sampppa lol do they have a ladies version :D |
| 18:25.32 | lcuk2 | i hear the guys go in >110deg |
| 18:25.38 | Sampppa | i think they are not in the same |
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| 18:25.43 | Sampppa | let me check |
| 18:25.50 | flailingmonkey | Sampppa, the women who would win that... aren't the ones you want to watch on tv :P |
| 18:26.31 | Sampppa | maybe :D |
| 18:26.51 | Scelt | lcuk2: I recall it's 100 celsius |
| 18:26.52 | Sampppa | but there are own series for ladies.... and the world championships are in august it seems |
| 18:27.36 | Sampppa | http://k-systems.fi/www/saunaheinola.com/wb/pages/fi/sivut1/kuvia.php |
| 18:27.50 | Sampppa | http://k-systems.fi/www/saunaheinola.com/wb/media/kuvia/sauna10.jpg |
| 18:28.01 | Sampppa | i could watch that |
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| 18:29.21 | lcuk2 | wow - this woman is the youngest competitor, only 18 years old http://k-systems.fi/www/saunaheinola.com/wb/media/Kuvia2008/Kivaa.jpg |
| 18:29.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: maybe you could answer to the "Open Letter/Proposal to allow Maemo on the MeeGo Community OBS" mail on maemo-devel *only*, to deliver the easy access URLs to meego ML for maemo readers |
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| 18:29.29 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:29.42 | Sampppa | lcuk2: lol :D |
| 18:30.06 | lcuk2 | how hot do you have sanua Sampppa |
| 18:30.15 | lcuk2 | sauna even |
| 18:30.21 | Sampppa | between 70-90 |
| 18:30.23 | frals | thinks Sampppa needs to take Silja Line to Stockholm more often to see some real girls |
| 18:30.25 | Sampppa | depens ont he sauna |
| 18:30.26 | lcuk2 | and do you turn it up as you leave to wind up others :D |
| 18:31.43 | Sampppa | frals: its dangerous because if you take silja line you are not in a condition to go see girls anymore when you get to sthlm |
| 18:31.53 | frals | Sampppa: :D |
| 18:32.01 | jaska | besides, last time i went to sthlm a seagull bombed my pants |
| 18:32.16 | jaska | and i started swearing in finnish |
| 18:33.01 | lcuk2 | jaska, did you get deported |
| 18:33.43 | jaska | lcuk, no. why would i? |
| 18:34.00 | lcuk2 | for swearing in a foreign language |
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| 18:34.18 | Sampppa | frals: i prefer Tallinn, hot girls also but cheaper alcohol :) |
| 18:34.20 | jaska | im fairly sure they hear plenty of finnish swearing around there. |
| 18:35.00 | frals | Sampppa: cant compare swedish girls with those from the baltics ;-) |
| 18:35.22 | Sampppa | frals: you forget that i lived by the border :) |
| 18:36.02 | frals | well, to be honest, the 'girls' up north arent considered real girls ;-) |
| 18:36.12 | Stskeeps | you mean reindeer? |
| 18:36.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:36.13 | flailingmonkey | benno2, in extras-devel, someone packaged jackd 0.118 |
| 18:36.17 | frals | :D |
| 18:36.18 | Sampppa | frals: so much better than in the south :) |
| 18:36.20 | lcuk2 | lol Stskeeps was just typing same :D |
| 18:36.36 | Sampppa | lol |
| 18:37.48 | lcuk2 | whos playing in the world cup tonight |
| 18:37.54 | frals | Sampppa: you gone mad from the climate up north, ;) |
| 18:38.05 | Sampppa | frals: or here in south... |
| 18:38.39 | Sampppa | lcuk2: that you have to ask from vdvsx :) |
| 18:38.50 | frals | funny thing about finland, they are about 5 years behind sweden in terms of 'fashion' and stuff :D |
| 18:39.10 | Sampppa | frals: im not gonna have this conversation over irc :D |
| 18:39.12 | Surfa | quite unrealistic picture you have of finns |
| 18:39.17 | ManoftheSea | "up north"? |
| 18:39.39 | ManoftheSea | Oh, you're all in Europe. |
| 18:39.42 | ManoftheSea | Whatever. |
| 18:39.58 | frals | Sampppa: :D |
| 18:40.15 | Sampppa | ManoftheSea up north means something near by the arctic circle:) |
| 18:40.49 | frals | up north means where you see aurora borealis ;) |
| 18:40.55 | Scelt | frals: fashion? don't you tell me about fashion |
| 18:41.33 | frals | i just see a lot of people here on the streets dressed the way ppl in stockholm dressed 5 years ago.. not that i care, i dress the same as i always have :p |
| 18:41.40 | Scelt | frals: last fashion thing I heard from sweden was "man purse" which was actually identical to woman makeup purse but for men. Wtf I must say |
| 18:41.55 | Sampppa | :DD |
| 18:42.20 | frals | 'man bag' aka 'fag bag', no offence to anyone :) |
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| 18:42.39 | Sampppa | aka. swedish bag |
| 18:42.39 | Scelt | yeah, ugh |
| 18:42.44 | Scelt | Sampppa: :D:D |
| 18:42.47 | Sampppa | :D |
| 18:42.57 | frals | vittu Sampppa! |
| 18:42.59 | Scelt | Alla svenska pojkar är hom |
| 18:43.02 | frals | just exhausted his finnish |
| 18:43.03 | ManoftheSea | My manbag holds my reproductive materials. |
| 18:43.07 | Scelt | osexual |
| 18:43.09 | Sampppa | frals: you started this? :D |
| 18:43.13 | Surfa | "jag heter homo peter"? |
| 18:43.16 | frals | Sampppa: :D |
| 18:43.31 | Scelt | Hej jag heter, hetero peter |
| 18:43.33 | Surfa | ok, let's quit this bs :) |
| 18:43.45 | Sampppa | indeed |
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| 18:44.33 | flailingmonkey | was just about to say, time for y'all to move over to #dick-waving |
| 18:44.56 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk2, what was the world cup channel again? :P |
| 18:45.22 | frals | btw err finns... appearently having a laundry room in the building isnt so common here.. do you all have a washing machine in your apartment or wtf do you do? :D |
| 18:45.34 | Surfa | frals, indeed |
| 18:45.34 | Scelt | both |
| 18:45.35 | frals | yes, this is no longer #maemo, this is now #helpfralsrelocatetofinland |
| 18:45.37 | Surfa | we're so rich |
| 18:45.49 | Scelt | frals: are you in Finland now mister? |
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| 18:46.01 | Surfa | frals, some people call washing machine as "wife" |
| 18:46.08 | Sampppa | frals we buy new clothes |
| 18:46.13 | frals | lol Sampppa |
| 18:46.15 | Scelt | frals: but anyway, we do have laundry rooms but also have washing machines very often |
| 18:46.30 | Sampppa | it depens if you have space in your apartment for that |
| 18:46.48 | Scelt | frals: MISTER. what ya doing in Finland? |
| 18:46.51 | frals | because like out of 5 apartments ive looked at only 1 had laundry room in the building and like the others had to hav the washing machine in the kitchen |
| 18:47.02 | frals | and there was like 0 room to hang anything to dry :D |
| 18:47.06 | frals | Scelt: working ;) |
| 18:47.09 | Surfa | typically people have own washing machines, but laumdry rooms exist in almost every building or group of buidings |
| 18:47.19 | Scelt | frals: in Helsinki? for how long? |
| 18:47.33 | Sampppa | 4ever |
| 18:47.50 | flailingmonkey | drying racks are common |
| 18:47.52 | frals | Sampppa speaks the truth :( |
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| 18:48.34 | Scelt | frals: where in Helsinki you live? |
| 18:48.51 | frals | a hotel in ruoholahti |
| 18:48.55 | flailingmonkey | you can have a big place, or a place in Helsinki :-P |
| 18:49.16 | Sampppa | rich swede, living in a hotel :D |
| 18:49.20 | Sampppa | no need for apartment :) |
| 18:49.23 | frals | Sampppa: :D |
| 18:49.56 | Scelt | ruoholahti |
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| 18:50.24 | frals | gräsviken! |
| 18:50.34 | frals | (i love how the signs are in swedish) |
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| 18:50.47 | flailingmonkey | only when working with maemo do I get to meet other finns :) |
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| 18:51.01 | Saviq | hi everyone, can anyone please tell me where can I get automake-1.11 packaged? |
| 18:51.06 | frals | w00t_: i commented on the MR finally (incase you missed it) |
| 18:51.08 | dizzey | does anyone know how to run cupsd in easydebian without it bitching about missing modules.dep |
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| 18:51.13 | ManoftheSea | I thought all the cool software came from finns |
| 18:51.29 | Sampppa | :D |
| 18:51.43 | Scelt | it does |
| 18:52.03 | flailingmonkey | what else would they do during the winters :p warmed by the glow of their LCDs |
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| 18:52.48 | dizzey | well arent they speending the whole winter in the sauna |
| 18:52.54 | dizzey | with beer |
| 18:53.04 | Sampppa | and when cooling, write a couple of lines of code |
| 18:53.06 | Sampppa | thats true |
| 18:53.09 | dizzey | but i guess that would give them good coding ideas for summer |
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| 18:55.15 | w00t_ | frals: saw, ta :) |
| 18:55.24 | w00t_ | relax time now after work? :) |
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| 18:55.29 | flailingmonkey | yes, by combining sauna and beer, they remain in the "Ballmer Peak": http://xkcd.com/323/ |
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| 18:55.52 | flailingmonkey | infobot, Ballmer Peak is http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 18:55.52 | infobot | ACTION throws chairs and screams at Peak is http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 18:55.59 | flailingmonkey | rofl |
| 18:56.00 | frals | w00t_: hehe, yeah, not that im working much but unwinding at hotel -> videocall home -> pass out and wake up in 12hrs :D |
| 18:56.34 | w00t_ | hehe |
| 18:56.46 | w00t_ | got a computer yet? :P |
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| 18:57.19 | frals | heh, got a temp one ;P |
| 18:57.34 | Sampppa | frals lunch tomorrow? |
| 18:57.49 | frals | Sampppa: sure |
| 18:57.57 | Sampppa | are you close to vdvsx |
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| 18:58.21 | frals | Sampppa: im in the room next to him when hes not on the wrong floor.. tell him to pick me up :D |
| 18:58.33 | Sampppa | okey :) |
| 18:59.15 | flailingmonkey | why do people |
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| 18:59.30 | flailingmonkey | write code that is never used? poor design! |
| 18:59.51 | lcuk2 | why do birds |
| 18:59.55 | lcuk2 | suddenly appear |
| 19:00.20 | flailingmonkey | unit tests and javadocs more java... rapidly losing his mind |
| 19:00.33 | lcuk2 | eep i appear to have overloaded the family network |
| 19:00.45 | lcuk2 | im getting tech support calls and shouts from random places ;) |
| 19:00.55 | lcuk2 | stops debugging per pixel data over wifi |
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| 19:02.42 | lcuk2 | World Cup 2010! Today: New Zealand 1 - 1 Slovakia (FT), Ivory Coast 0 - 0 Portugal (FT) and Brazil 0 - 0 North Korea (in progress) |
| 19:03.51 | flailingmonkey | the infobot needs to report world cup scores :P |
| 19:04.31 | Rabidus | wtf |
| 19:04.37 | Rabidus | is this channel also football related? |
| 19:04.48 | frals | no, just the britts |
| 19:05.11 | Rabidus | :o |
| 19:05.22 | Stskeeps | bacon related, at least |
| 19:05.35 | flailingmonkey | who here is on an american continent? |
| 19:05.45 | Rabidus | what do you mean |
| 19:06.04 | flailingmonkey | peers out from Philadelphia |
| 19:06.26 | flailingmonkey | that means North/South America |
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| 19:06.33 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, mm? |
| 19:06.38 | Stskeeps | bacon bacon |
| 19:06.49 | lcuk2 | searches for bacon |
| 19:07.09 | flailingmonkey | ~bacon |
| 19:07.10 | infobot | i guess bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
| 19:07.51 | lcuk2 | bacon doesnt make you fat. i once ate nothing but bacon for a whole week and lost weight |
| 19:07.59 | lcuk2 | its the damned bread :P |
| 19:08.19 | flailingmonkey | meat make you stronggg |
| 19:08.38 | pupnik | has spinach |
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| 19:15.14 | RST38h | vegetarian spinach bacon |
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| 19:25.32 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 19:26.29 | MohammadAG51 | who's watching E3, it looks epic |
| 19:28.12 | Appiah | MohammadAG51: it always does :) |
| 19:28.17 | pupnik | what MohammadAG51 is e3 |
| 19:28.28 | Appiah | but a new golden eye and a new zelda ooooh do want |
| 19:28.48 | MohammadAG51 | http://e3.ign.com/2010/live |
| 19:29.22 | flailingmonkey | new xbox 360 makes me cry, i just bought one a couple weeks back |
| 19:29.23 | GAN900 | MohammadAG51, what in particular? |
| 19:29.32 | MohammadAG51 | Gaming |
| 19:29.39 | GAN900 | was going to get a new Xbox but got a PS3 instead. |
| 19:29.40 | MohammadAG51 | Playstation move and 3D |
| 19:29.45 | GAN900 | MohammadAG51, ah. |
| 19:29.45 | MohammadAG51 | Cool :D |
| 19:29.47 | Appiah | flailingmonkey: :D |
| 19:30.02 | GAN900 | Yeah, 3D TVs for under $2000 is kinda scary. |
| 19:30.08 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
| 19:30.17 | MohammadAG51 | I'll get a 22" 3D display |
| 19:30.28 | MohammadAG51 | should be relativly cheap |
| 19:30.32 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 19:30.44 | GAN900 | I might shoot for a computer monitor next year |
| 19:30.49 | GAN900 | 3D is where it's at. |
| 19:31.01 | MohammadAG51 | :) |
| 19:31.11 | MohammadAG51 | i'm looking forward to it |
| 19:31.26 | GAN900 | me too |
| 19:31.37 | GAN900 | Although 3D movies still knock me out. |
| 19:31.50 | MohammadAG51 | never watched a 3D movie, yet |
| 19:32.03 | GAN900 | Really? |
| 19:32.05 | GAN900 | Wow |
| 19:32.07 | MohammadAG51 | Yeah |
| 19:32.09 | GAN900 | Something to see |
| 19:32.16 | GAN900 | Avatar was really cool in 3D. |
| 19:32.24 | MohammadAG51 | didn't the story suck? |
| 19:32.29 | MohammadAG51 | which really put me off |
| 19:32.32 | GAN900 | Meh |
| 19:32.42 | Surfa | great tech demo |
| 19:32.45 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
| 19:32.46 | GAN900 | It was clichéd |
| 19:32.49 | Surfa | as a movie below average |
| 19:32.51 | GAN900 | But looked amazing |
| 19:32.56 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
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| 19:32.58 | GAN900 | and reasonably charming. |
| 19:33.13 | flailingmonkey | Avatar was pocahontas, basically |
| 19:33.19 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 19:33.27 | GAN900 | It was Fern Gully meets Surogates |
| 19:33.56 | flailingmonkey | GAN900: an even better comparison |
| 19:33.57 | GAN900 | Avatar is the first CG movie I've seen where I really didn't notice it was CG |
| 19:34.05 | MohammadAG51 | Tiger woods with the move, might get me into golf |
| 19:34.30 | GAN900 | I want 3D Halo, though. |
| 19:34.41 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
| 19:34.48 | MohammadAG51 | Killzone 3 is in 3D, i think |
| 19:35.01 | MohammadAG51 | Killzone 2 was epic in "2D" |
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| 19:36.17 | flailingmonkey | the unique thing about Avatar was the facial mapping of the CG, capturing more of the actors acting |
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| 19:37.35 | TomaszD | does anyone know what the hell is going on here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56214 ? |
| 19:39.24 | Stskeeps | uhm |
| 19:40.16 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: what's your package name called? |
| 19:40.22 | TomaszD | decoders-support |
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| 19:40.41 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: i'd ask the guy to give you his sources.list |
| 19:40.57 | lcuk2 | flailingmonkey, avatar had excellent fx |
| 19:41.33 | Mece | omg what a goal! |
| 19:41.44 | Mece | anyway, hi maemites! |
| 19:41.44 | TomaszD | Stskeeps: how is that going to help? |
| 19:42.21 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: to help diagnose? :P |
| 19:42.24 | Mece | lcuk2, for reals |
| 19:42.39 | TomaszD | Stskeeps: hmm :P |
| 19:43.12 | Mece | hey anyone checked how often the pelota widget polls for events? |
| 19:43.15 | RST38h | yoohoooo |
| 19:43.20 | RST38h | PowerVR works! |
| 19:43.27 | Stskeeps | on what device? |
| 19:43.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:43.48 | Mece | RST38h, who knew? |
| 19:44.04 | lcuk2 | RST38h, now figure out a use for it :p |
| 19:44.46 | flailingmonkey | you much mean, on n810? |
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| 19:44.56 | lbt | DocScrutinizer2: an url? |
| 19:47.28 | RST38h | lcuklcu |
| 19:47.57 | RST38h | lcuk: Oh it has never been a problem |
| 19:48.05 | RST38h | Stskeeps: N900 for now |
| 19:48.16 | Stskeeps | ah, no fun then |
| 19:48.29 | ptl | was playing descent on his N900... Became dizzy |
| 19:49.20 | RST38h | Stskeeps: you want it on n810 or what? |
| 19:50.03 | flailingmonkey | RST38h, I am missing something, what was accomplished? |
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| 19:51.20 | xDaReaperx | hi guys , where is the % key on the N900 ? |
| 19:51.44 | xDaReaperx | i can see it on the onscreen keyboard but on the the qwerty slider keyboard |
| 19:52.09 | MohammadAG51 | OMG |
| 19:52.19 | MohammadAG51 | GAN900, epic choice you made (PS3) |
| 19:52.27 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, whats fun then :P |
| 19:52.35 | MohammadAG51 | watch E3 when you get on your PC |
| 19:53.02 | flailingmonkey | in order to put in %, press blue, then ctrl, then pick your desired symbol |
| 19:53.29 | xDaReaperx | oh ok |
| 19:53.31 | xDaReaperx | ty |
| 19:54.07 | flailingmonkey | np |
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| 20:25.26 | MohammadAG51 | Portal 2 on the ps3! |
| 20:25.43 | lcuk | omg yeah that was yesterday |
| 20:25.51 | lcuk | ill have to dust off my CC and pc |
| 20:26.03 | MohammadAG51 | no, it's live :P |
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| 20:26.09 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
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| 20:26.48 | lcuk | wait, what |
| 20:27.20 | MohammadAG51 | YES! |
| 20:27.24 | MohammadAG51 | portal 2 demo |
| 20:27.30 | MohammadAG51 | check E3 live |
| 20:27.43 | MohammadAG51 | wow, looks cool, epic soundtrack |
| 20:27.53 | lcuk | sure it does, portal kicked ass |
| 20:27.58 | MohammadAG51 | 2 |
| 20:28.03 | lcuk | i know |
| 20:28.13 | MohammadAG51 | 2011?! |
| 20:28.15 | MohammadAG51 | :( |
| 20:29.26 | flailingmonkey | hey, they said it wasn't coming to PS3 before, so still great news |
| 20:29.49 | MohammadAG51 | goes out and punches a random stranger |
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| 20:59.57 | e-yes | G'evening! guyz, "udevadm monitor --kernel" gives nothing in output, could anyone help check it with maemo omap-1 kernel? |
| 21:00.06 | flailingmonkey | ~poke pupnik_ |
| 21:00.07 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind pupnik_, pokes pupnik_ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 21:02.11 | dr34m | which webbrowser for the n900 consumes the less energy as possible ? |
| 21:02.26 | dr34m | using opera atm |
| 21:02.46 | haj | opera uses most energy... ;) |
| 21:02.49 | microlith | power consumption for browsers is largely moot, since more will be eaten by the radio and screen |
| 21:03.18 | haj | microlith: I don't agree... try leaving Opera on a page with some animation.... |
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| 21:03.25 | dr34m | ye i notice it really drains th ebattery quickly.. had to recharge 2 times at work :( |
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| 21:04.22 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 21:04.44 | SpeedEvil | 3G isn't actually too bad if you load a page every minute. |
| 21:04.59 | SpeedEvil | And screen can easily not dominate if it's not at max brightness |
| 21:05.17 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:05.35 | dr34m | already put that to lowest setting |
| 21:06.00 | dr34m | found a battery that has double capacity it seems |
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| 21:06.36 | SpeedEvil | wifi helps lots. |
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| 21:07.51 | flailingmonkey | mac brightness is overkill :) but I use it at my desk, when I have it plugged in and want to see from farther away |
| 21:08.01 | flailingmonkey | s/mac/max/ |
| 21:08.20 | dr34m | lol |
| 21:08.41 | pupnik_ | microb is wonderful for the JAVASCRIPT PAUSING feature! |
| 21:08.56 | pupnik_ | so happy they implemented it :D |
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| 21:27.01 | lcuk | pupnik_, its quite nice isnt it, but it has effect of people thinking pages stopped (which they have) if they dont know what its doing |
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| 21:27.43 | pupnik_ | yes, but this just toooo useful |
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| 21:32.14 | lcuk | evening simon \o |
| 21:32.57 | lcuk | lardman even |
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| 21:34.08 | lardman | hey lcuk |
| 21:34.59 | lcuk | lardman, this downsampling to get barcodes lark is a bit complex! |
| 21:35.18 | lardman | really? Using the pipeline? |
| 21:35.45 | lcuk | no i just followed the original thread of barcode stuff i did way back when |
| 21:36.09 | lcuk | grabbing valid barcodes from a 320pixel wide stream |
| 21:36.20 | lcuk | valid codes from ~144 pixels |
| 21:37.32 | lardman | ah ok :) |
| 21:37.54 | lcuk | lardman, i downloaded mbarcode earlier too - you have green flashes on the gst pipeline! |
| 21:38.24 | lardman | hmm, so I've heard |
| 21:38.30 | MohammadAG51 | didn't you have that in liq*? :) |
| 21:38.32 | lardman | I'll have to take another look at that |
| 21:38.59 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, yeah baseline detection, i decided to follow train of thought to turn them into valid codes |
| 21:39.19 | lcuk | lardman, solved green flash in liqbase, but im not sure how you are getting gstream |
| 21:39.27 | lcuk | ie, i thought you were entirely in rgb |
| 21:39.36 | lardman | hmm, yes green + purple/pink |
| 21:39.50 | lcuk | green is UV layers == 0 |
| 21:40.00 | lardman | we run in YUV as we don't want colour info, just the greyscale stuff |
| 21:40.01 | lcuk | purple and pink are other corners |
| 21:40.17 | lcuk | yeah its nice like that |
| 21:40.39 | lardman | it's afaicr a side effect of the pipeline pausing while the autofocus is performed |
| 21:40.48 | lcuk | yeah it sounds likely |
| 21:40.58 | lardman | how did you solve things then? RGB all the way? |
| 21:41.02 | lcuk | its very juddery to flash and focus and green flash at same time |
| 21:41.22 | lcuk | no, its related to setting the overlay colorkey |
| 21:41.29 | lcuk | just a mo |
| 21:41.35 | lardman | hmm, any code pointers? |
| 21:42.27 | MohammadAG51 | (C) Just comment it out |
| 21:43.18 | lardman | wonders how the changelog will look: removed camera interface to avoid green/pink flashing, side effect of not being able to scan barcodes anymore |
| 21:43.26 | lardman | :) |
| 21:44.08 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.26 | lcuk | lardman, that is the point at start BEFORE i opened any windows - i ask system for the settings |
| 21:44.34 | lcuk | and i force my own (black) one in place |
| 21:44.51 | lcuk | then, to be sure a bit lower down I also set the background color of the window to it |
| 21:45.08 | lcuk | actually, its very slightly grey - pure black bleeds through lots of things.. |
| 21:45.22 | lardman | hmm, what about under Qt? |
| 21:46.09 | lcuk | qt has this sort of code deep within it :p |
| 21:46.11 | lardman | I always had the feeling it wasn't the background, or does the overlay have a background colour too? |
| 21:46.23 | lcuk | i dunno which patchway you are using or whether theres already an analog |
| 21:46.29 | lcuk | but thats how i fixed it for me :) |
| 21:46.32 | lardman | oh wunderbar, I'll have to do some digging then |
| 21:46.47 | lcuk | sorry! not an answer on a plate but a lead you can follow |
| 21:46.48 | lardman | thanks for the pointer and code, will do some digging |
| 21:47.02 | lardman | yeah I know, just being lazy ;) |
| 21:47.07 | lardman | me that is! |
| 21:47.07 | lcuk | arent we all |
| 21:47.20 | lardman | :) |
| 21:47.36 | lcuk | lardman, i spent 2 nights playing with barcode and trying to work out why I couldnt scan a UPM |
| 21:47.37 | lcuk | UPC |
| 21:47.54 | lardman | oh right |
| 21:47.55 | lcuk | before i realised it was an EAN-13 |
| 21:48.04 | lardman | that should work |
| 21:48.30 | lcuk | i have learnt all about clean downsampling |
| 21:48.58 | joga | is the led pattern editor safe to use? ;P it has a scary warning |
| 21:48.58 | lcuk | and have taken some random code and made it actually pull out nice fairly accurate bars |
| 21:49.12 | lcuk | joga, its scary because its scary |
| 21:49.25 | lcuk | fluffy bunnies dont have scary warnings |
| 21:49.48 | lcuk | (unless its the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog |
| 21:50.09 | joga | shouldn't it be in -devel then |
| 21:50.47 | lcuk | why, where is it and what does it matter |
| 21:51.07 | lcuk | i can buy guns if i want |
| 21:51.14 | lcuk | and those arent safe |
| 21:51.47 | joga | yeah, but you know what you're buying :) |
| 21:52.09 | joga | just wondering if someone uses it |
| 21:52.38 | lcuk | dunno, where is it tho |
| 21:52.54 | joga | I wa trying to make the sms and call notifications a different color |
| 21:52.55 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg |
| 21:53.06 | joga | I think it's in testing... |
| 21:53.07 | lcuk | joga, you said it shouldnt be in -devel |
| 21:53.10 | lcuk | ahh well |
| 21:53.31 | joga | can't remember though |
| 21:54.18 | joga | anyway, the test worked fine, but when saving, it warns you about possible bricking and urges to manually check everything :) |
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| 21:54.51 | joga | but anyway, I'll leave that for another day, need to sleep now |
| 21:54.53 | mc_teo | hey |
| 21:55.00 | mc_teo | anyone here use knots2? |
| 21:55.18 | vldcnst | mc_teo: yes. |
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| 21:56.48 | mc_teo | norton 360 gives out about netcat |
| 21:57.03 | mc_teo | and deletes it before it even installs |
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| 21:57.55 | mc_teo | so just wondering what is it actually used for |
| 21:58.44 | MohammadAG51 | isn't knots a linux app? |
| 21:59.05 | mc_teo | nope |
| 21:59.15 | mc_teo | theres a windows installer |
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| 21:59.36 | mc_teo | just relies on the windows ruby interpreter, etc |
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| 22:00.31 | mc_teo | on my n900 i tried to skip forward videos (server is vista), and it just freezes the playback |
| 22:01.09 | tripzero | upnp server? |
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| 22:05.56 | mc_teo | tripzero: i have upnp disabled on my router, should i enable it? |
| 22:06.11 | tripzero | no |
| 22:06.23 | tripzero | my guess is your windows server doesn't support seeking |
| 22:06.28 | kW_ | Hello! Does anybody know how to sync contacts and appointsments with KDE desktop? |
| 22:06.30 | tripzero | but isn't reporting that capability |
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| 22:06.45 | tripzero | kW_ syncevolution? |
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| 22:07.08 | tripzero | kW_, also, google cal |
| 22:08.05 | kW_ | tripzero: well, google calendar is not an option due to privacy requirements |
| 22:08.23 | vldcnst | mc_teo: netcat comes with ruby, google it, it's most likely a false positive. Also, have you tried playing the videos directly with VLC and seeking? it may not be a knots problem. |
| 22:08.40 | lardman | hmm, right, it looks like my issue is that I need to flush or prime the pipeline |
| 22:08.50 | lardman | not sure which |
| 22:08.59 | mc_teo | vldcnst: ive been playing the videos with vlc, many times, and they play fine |
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| 22:09.56 | vldcnst | mc_teo: does vlc actually crash or? |
| 22:10.07 | vldcnst | (when using the n900 client) |
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| 22:12.10 | vldcnst | mc_teo: also, have you enabled debug and developer mode? if not, do so and check the knots log. |
| 22:13.39 | mece | ~seen achipa |
| 22:13.40 | infobot | achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 39m 7s ago, saying: 'flailingmonkey: strategic choice. If we shut it down, they would come after us'. |
| 22:15.53 | kW_ | tripzero: well, it looks like syncevolution has no complete support for KDE PIM currently...? |
| 22:16.16 | tripzero | possibly not |
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| 22:24.27 | lcuk | lardman, i looked back at the barcode stuff, because im still wanting to make devices say "cheese" and take a photo of them all |
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| 22:24.53 | lardman | Qt Creator question, if I edit a header to specify functions, can I get the Qt Creator to automatically generate the skeletons in the .cpp file? |
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| 22:25.06 | lcuk | wanted that |
| 22:25.21 | lcuk | would increase speed of prototyping classes |
| 22:25.33 | lcuk | i never found one (thats not to say there isnt one |
| 22:25.37 | lardman | lcuk: I'm finally getting cracking on the database plugin so I can list my books, dvds, cds, but is hard work, not much free time atm |
| 22:25.55 | lardman | lcuk: fair enough, not like the "wonders" of M$ then ;) |
| 22:25.56 | lcuk | yeah i know - databases are however reasonably straight forward to do simply |
| 22:26.11 | lcuk | havent they got datasets and bindable grids? |
| 22:26.18 | lardman | yeah, have to get my head around all this class nonsense though ;) |
| 22:26.23 | lcuk | indeed |
| 22:26.31 | lardman | :D |
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| 22:26.52 | mc_teo | vldcnst: where are the logs kept? |
| 22:27.14 | lcuk | lardman, a while ago fiferboy had an application |
| 22:27.18 | lcuk | for his birdwatching |
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| 22:27.29 | lcuk | its his rosetta stone - hes done it in many languages and systems ;) |
| 22:27.30 | lardman | I never know whether to use a class or a struct, I guess go classes all the way |
| 22:27.38 | lardman | lcuk: cool |
| 22:27.42 | lcuk | anyway, its in qt, uses database and has queries and searhcing |
| 22:27.55 | lardman | I should do some searching for that then |
| 22:28.01 | lcuk | a struct is just a class without any explicit members anyway :) |
| 22:28.16 | lcuk | theres probably 10 db apps listed in qt creator examples |
| 22:28.17 | lardman | yeah, but I need to think harder now, decide if I need the classiness |
| 22:28.45 | lcuk | nods |
| 22:28.52 | lardman | yeah I saw, but decided they don't do what I need, so am just going to write some code and evovle I think |
| 22:29.15 | lcuk | yup, take a look at fiferboys project anyway, he seemed pleased with it |
| 22:29.23 | lardman | will do, thanks for the heads up |
| 22:29.27 | lcuk | im off 2 bed :) |
| 22:29.31 | lcuk | gnite simon \o |
| 22:29.40 | lardman | night Gary, nice to chat to you :) |
| 22:32.45 | kW_ | Which app do I use to download openstreetmap tiles for offline use? |
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| 22:34.09 | ptl | navit uses them, but it is a pain to set up |
| 22:34.10 | SpeedEvil | Several will do it. |
| 22:34.13 | SpeedEvil | I think maep will. |
| 22:34.31 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy bear in mind |
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| 22:38.38 | mece | there are no quick fixes in extras, I'm guessing.. |
| 22:38.51 | mece | 10 days per version minimum. |
| 22:39.04 | mece | or? |
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| 22:40.45 | Jartza | hello |
| 22:40.48 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, maep does not seem to offer such a menu |
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| 22:45.45 | vldcnst | mc_teo: have you found the log? |
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| 22:53.51 | SpeedEvil | kW_: I was thinking of 'mappero' |
| 22:54.21 | SpeedEvil | menu->maps->manage maps |
| 22:54.52 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: you mean, in mappero? |
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| 23:02.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 23:09.55 | ManoftheSea | isn't muelli a cereal food? |
| 23:10.23 | SpeedEvil | Muesli |
| 23:10.24 | tripzero | mmm cereal |
| 23:10.37 | SpeedEvil | is addicted to porridge ATM. |
| 23:10.55 | ManoftheSea | ah, thanks. |
| 23:11.04 | SpeedEvil | 40g of porridge oats, 100g of milk, 4 dates (pitted) in a small bowl, microwaved for 3 mins. |
| 23:11.11 | SpeedEvil | And then more milk on top. |
| 23:11.14 | SpeedEvil | Nom. |
| 23:11.14 | asj | muesli is just un cooked granola I thought |
| 23:11.18 | ManoftheSea | Sorry, I use imperial. How many cups is that? |
| 23:11.20 | SpeedEvil | Also, really cheap |
| 23:11.41 | mece | ManoftheSea, depends on the size of the cup :P |
| 23:11.43 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: About an ounce and a third of oats. |
| 23:12.16 | ManoftheSea | still not a volume measurement... |
| 23:12.36 | SpeedEvil | I don't off-hand know the volume. |
| 23:12.46 | ManoftheSea | It's alright, I don't hate you because of it. |
| 23:12.58 | SpeedEvil | I am currently weighing all my food with: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17483 |
| 23:13.32 | SpeedEvil | (it boots faster than my kitchen scale) |
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| 23:14.56 | pupnik | GAN900: this is reminding me of you lately http://comicsandoimage.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/crumb-9.jpg |
| 23:15.03 | asj | and it's accurate to .1g! ;) that's a really good price |
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| 23:15.08 | HtheB | o/ |
| 23:15.15 | HtheB | anyone has exp with NITdroid? |
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| 23:15.33 | SpeedEvil | asj: it is actually good for consistent spicing. |
| 23:16.09 | lardman | nighty-night all |
| 23:16.35 | HtheB | SpeedEvil, |
| 23:17.04 | DrIDK | Hello ! I m trying to packaging a small qt application with madde.. But mad dpkg-buildpackage return me this error : http://pastebin.com/thrigUhv ! Please help me!! |
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| 23:17.39 | asj | SpeedEvil: but for real accuracy you buy: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10515 -- heh I wonder how many scales you could buy before they bust down your door and do a drug raid |
| 23:18.17 | DrIDK | this is my qmake : http://pastebin.com/AnfjZgQE |
| 23:18.30 | ManoftheSea | iScale, for the iPad |
| 23:18.35 | ManoftheSea | he he he. |
| 23:18.48 | HtheB | ice kill for the eye pet? |
| 23:18.51 | HtheB | :p |
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| 23:19.05 | DrIDK | and this my file tree : http://pastebin.com/zSmUrpAF |
| 23:19.07 | asj | DrIDK: is the prefix really supposed to be /usr/LOCAL ? |
| 23:19.55 | asj | oh, nm it seems to be doing the right thing, I have no clue about madde |
| 23:20.18 | DrIDK | asj: this tutorial http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application said me /usr/local and this one /usr/http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Packaging |
| 23:20.28 | SpeedEvil | HtheB: what? |
| 23:20.37 | asj | DrIDK: I was refereing to the all caps |
| 23:20.57 | HtheB | u know NITdroid? |
| 23:21.08 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:21.15 | HtheB | Android on Maemo |
| 23:21.30 | HtheB | Android on n810 and N900 |
| 23:21.32 | HtheB | :p |
| 23:21.45 | SpeedEvil | sighs at maemo.org |
| 23:21.57 | HtheB | browses to www.maemo.org |
| 23:22.21 | SpeedEvil | HtheB: I know of the project - I do not know of any progress information, or if it is to be releast on wednesday morning at 9;40AM EST. |
| 23:22.33 | HtheB | lol |
| 23:22.34 | HtheB | no |
| 23:22.37 | HtheB | I just couldnt get it to work |
| 23:22.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh - it's back up. |
| 23:22.44 | ManoftheSea | oddly specific |
| 23:22.44 | HtheB | it doesnt work lol |
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| 23:30.02 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, wrote about the high audio latency problem and a long rant on the maemo ML. let's see what comes out :) |
| 23:30.30 | SpeedEvil | finds out tomorrow that benno2 has been killed by the pulseaudio ninjas. |
| 23:31.06 | SpeedEvil | They have the power of moving in utter silence, with the sound of their actions occurring several seconds later. |
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| 23:31.20 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, read the comments of this interview and you see that desktop users do hate pulseaudio too : http://www.cio.com.au/article/320807/open_source_identity_pulseaudio_creator_lennart_poettering/ |
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| 23:32.28 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, on the contrary on any articles about JACK audio server such comments were completely absent. |
| 23:32.46 | SpeedEvil | Firefox has its own breakage. |
| 23:32.50 | SpeedEvil | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147659 |
| 23:32.51 | povbot | Bug 147659: was not found. |
| 23:33.09 | SpeedEvil | benno2: To be fair - that could be as the number of distributions installing jack is tiny. |
| 23:33.11 | SpeedEvil | Zero? |
| 23:33.43 | asj | benno2: I don't like Jack, does that count? |
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| 23:34.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hg7M8qI5m8 (than pulseaudio) |
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| 23:36.19 | luke-jr | yawn |
| 23:36.20 | luke-jr | ALSA works fine for me |
| 23:36.53 | benno2 | asj, I am agnostic in that sense, the foundation must be solid. jack has been designed by people that know what they are doing. getting real time audio right is tricky. and ATM I am not aware of soundservers that achieve that kind of numbers. if pulseaudio can be fixed to provide that performance out of the box then it's ok. but I'm sceptical. |
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| 23:39.29 | opdf2 | how do you copy text from an email? |
| 23:39.50 | asj | benno2: my problems with jack come from 2 sources, and I'm not sure PA really addresses these anyways. 1. It requires all input/output to have the same time base. This is ludicrous on modern desktop systems, especially those with usb who could have a multitude of different input sources. 2. From a users point of view trying to tie audio sources/ssinks/what ever they called confuses the hell out of me. I could learn it, but I can't imagin my |
| 23:39.50 | asj | grandma doing so. |
| 23:40.38 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, yes the number of distros using jack by default is small. probably they would need to ship it with wrappers like alsa-to-jack, esd-to-jack etc and provide some sensible defaults. then it would work transparently. for example I use skype with the alsa-to-jack alsa driver. so basically skype which supports only alsa outputs to jack and I can configure the audio parameters in the jack server. my laptop's soundcard driver has a problem under linux, you |
| 23:40.38 | benno2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.10 | asj | (3. jackd crashes on me, and apps can't react gracefully to it. this should be almost seamless when audio isn't being mixed and it's not) |
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| 23:42.17 | benno2 | asj, yes multiple cards can be a problem, so the solution can be to run one jack instance per card but then the user app would need to chose the other jackd server. everything is doable and perhaps some middleware code is needed, but the foundation is solid |
| 23:42.52 | benno2 | asj, about jack "crashes" it's a feature to kick out clients that are too slow to react, eg take too much cpu. it can disabled too (which I would do on a phone) |
| 23:43.22 | benno2 | I don't say that jack is perfect, but IMHO it provides a solid foundation to build on |
| 23:44.16 | SpeedEvil | Can jack pretend to be pulse? |
| 23:45.12 | benno2 | no matter what, Nokia should get their things in order and fix the software layer. then developers should just use Qt Multimedia API and let the underlying layers work out the most efficient communication to the audio hw |
| 23:45.30 | asj | benno2: that's the wrong answer, jack, or it's input methods should resample the audio to a single time base. Ack! well maybe that's why it "cashes" but the client is Ardour and the only thing the system was doing was multitrack recording/mixing. It could use 100% CPU time, and if it did fine. That's an arugment for robustness, it must be robust, fault tolerant to be used on real systems and it's not. |
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| 23:46.23 | SpeedEvil | It should only mix to a common timebase if the hardware cannot be configured on the in and out to do a common timebase IMO |
| 23:46.27 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, one thing you can do is run pulseaudio which works as a jackd client. so consumer audio apps can use the pulse api while demanding audio apps can use jackd directly. this provides the best of both worlds but not sure if running 2 audio servers is a good idea on a phone, battery consumption, memory, cpu usage |
| 23:46.50 | SpeedEvil | I keep meaning to do more than I am. |
| 23:47.06 | SpeedEvil | I want to find out why the hell pulse uses about the same CPU that mp3 decoding does. |
| 23:47.13 | asj | SpeedEvil: that's not really the issue, it's multilple sound cards. One has input at say 44105hz (which varies of course) and the other at 44095hz (and it varies too) |
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| 23:47.29 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:47.31 | SpeedEvil | point |
| 23:47.34 | shorter | what is the process "trackerd"? |
| 23:47.46 | SpeedEvil | shorter: It indexes all your files |
| 23:47.47 | shorter | taking nearly 100% cpu |
| 23:47.58 | shorter | oh |
| 23:48.10 | SpeedEvil | shorter: It should - ideally - stop in a few mins - unless you've done something odd like put a backup of your laptop into /home |
| 23:48.14 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't like that. |
| 23:48.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:48.22 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer |
| 23:48.37 | SpeedEvil | You can edit ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg - or something - to alter its behaveiour |
| 23:48.42 | shorter | yeah it is down, I would like to have more control over it though |
| 23:48.42 | benno2 | asj, time base resampling on multple cards can be done but OTOH it increases latency, this would be needed only if you do things like playing an mp3 on both card simultaneously etc. but in normal cases you can use separate time based. I'm not sure if windows xp/ 7does this. |
| 23:48.56 | shorter | what program owns it? |
| 23:49.10 | SpeedEvil | shorter: owns it? |
| 23:49.18 | shorter | uh |
| 23:49.22 | SpeedEvil | shorter: It is started as a daemon in x11.post |
| 23:49.27 | shorter | okay |
| 23:49.32 | shorter | can I manage its behavior? |
| 23:49.40 | SpeedEvil | you can tell it what not to index. |
| 23:49.53 | SpeedEvil | Using the phone as normal - it should - generally - be quite painless. |
| 23:50.11 | shorter | okay |
| 23:50.25 | asj | benno2: it bites me when I want multiple inputs. A wonderful linux (or any OS) would be say Ardour and 8+ USB mics. Should be trivial to do, but jack can't even do 2 usb mics. Of course I also want monitor input, etc. So the arguemnt is, go buy a mixer. Fine I can mix it all in analog, but...imho that's lame. |
| 23:50.27 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, when devs don't do their homework those things do happen (high cpu usage) |
| 23:50.30 | shorter | I guess it is okay, but I think it would be better if it didn't try to index every time the phone boots |
| 23:50.37 | SpeedEvil | IF you have wierd filesystems - you may need to tell it not to index stuff |
| 23:50.41 | SpeedEvil | shorter: It shouldn't be |
| 23:51.09 | shorter | how does it know when to? |
| 23:51.09 | SpeedEvil | benno2: I'm not sure if it's that, or rif it's because of some bogus behaviour. |
| 23:51.17 | SpeedEvil | shorter: It's in the config file. |
| 23:51.20 | SpeedEvil | Mine is: |
| 23:52.55 | benno2 | asj, it would be interesting to know if this works under windows. eg you use cubase to record from 8 usb mixers and everything gets resampled on the fly. cubase uses ASIO and having written ASIO backends (for linuxsampler) , the API do not support using multiple cards at the same time (at least without some major effort), and nowhere is inter-card timebase adjusting mentioned |
| 23:53.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/tracker.cfg |
| 23:53.59 | SpeedEvil | As you see - I've told it not to index ~/data/ |
| 23:54.00 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, mappero seems to work... however, it seems to crash sometimes... |
| 23:54.37 | benno2 | asj, I'm sure the devs at the linux-audio-dev mailing list discussed the issue about multiple audio cards, perhaps someone came up with a solution already. but as said, it's not esy to provide both low latency and real time timebase adjusting |
| 23:55.24 | GAN900 | preordered an iPhone 4G. |
| 23:55.30 | SpeedEvil | kW_: DEvs seemed quite responsive when I found a minor bug |
| 23:55.38 | SpeedEvil | Nooooooooo! |
| 23:55.46 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're going to blend it. |
| 23:55.48 | SpeedEvil | Then it's cool. |
| 23:56.07 | GAN900 | . . . for my mother. *g* |
| 23:56.16 | GAN900 | pupnik, bizarre. |
| 23:56.24 | pupnik | :P |
| 23:56.32 | pupnik | no offense |
| 23:56.48 | DrIDK | I have packaging my application using this tutorial : http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application ! So All is working... exept I cannot access to my application from the main application view |
| 23:56.57 | DrIDK | I have to run it from terminal |
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| 23:57.28 | asj | benno2: I don't know enough about it, and I'll admit many problems look easy until you get into them, but I don't understand how resampling data at 44khz could add that much latency. I've done slip buffers at 1.5mhz and it adds us latencies so this should be trivial....anyways meeting time. |
| 23:57.51 | SpeedEvil | asj: there is apaprantly sometimes required filtering. |
| 23:57.54 | SpeedEvil | But - still. |
| 23:58.04 | kW_ | mardi: Hello, are you the developer of Mappero? |
| 23:58.07 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting the fact that filtering in line with mp3 decoding is near trivial. |
| 23:59.23 | shorter | how od you disable the ssh server from running automatically? |
