| 00:00.10 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:00.18 | MohammadAG | df doesn't get updated by deleting files |
| 00:00.19 | MohammadAG | apparently |
| 00:00.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | konfoo: actually this info is highly appreciated. It doesn't come by surprise, as LiIon tend to collapse at temperatures over 70°..1xx° C, due to separator meltdown, which shorts the cell and adds to the heat. It's amazing to hear bme failed to stop that effect for you |
| 00:00.59 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/var/log# du -h |
| 00:00.59 | MohammadAG | 165.7M. |
| 00:01.04 | MohammadAG | I'm removing sysklogd |
| 00:01.39 | DocScrutinizer2 | konfoo: well, maybe it had stopped that, if it weren't the OC kernel |
| 00:02.02 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: youv'e got to sync |
| 00:02.30 | SpeedEvil | how failed? |
| 00:02.37 | SpeedEvil | Diddn't catch fire |
| 00:02.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | konfoo: maybe bme throttles CPU when cell heats up, and OC kernel made that safety measure fail, so the CPU heated your battery to the point where it had that infarct |
| 00:02.55 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, |
| 00:02.55 | shorter | If I add the dev and extra repositories will the phone then update to unstable software? |
| 00:02.56 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/var/log# sync |
| 00:02.56 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/var/log# df |
| 00:02.56 | MohammadAG | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 00:02.56 | MohammadAG | rootfs 232868 232860 0 100% / |
| 00:03.25 | SpeedEvil | sync |
| 00:03.31 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:/var/log# sync |
| 00:04.07 | SpeedEvil | how did you manage to totally fill / ? |
| 00:04.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | konfoo: anyway first firsthand report of a OC fatality. Please report on TMO :-) |
| 00:04.21 | MohammadAG | sysklogd,<MohammadAG> 165.7M . |
| 00:04.27 | MohammadAG | that's only /var/log ^ |
| 00:05.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: sync will trigger garbage collection? |
| 00:05.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | ubifs! |
| 00:06.05 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:06.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG: space on NAND is freed on next boot, not the very moment you delete a file |
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| 00:06.23 | SpeedEvil | I thought also low free space would |
| 00:06.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | maybe also on sync |
| 00:06.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: you'd think it should |
| 00:07.15 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it does on sync - just confirmed |
| 00:07.42 | SpeedEvil | I can see why lazy deallocation is good - but maybe that's a bit too lazy |
| 00:08.47 | N900rulz | guys what's the easiset way on the N900 to manipulate files on home PC when away from home? What soft do I need? |
| 00:09.27 | MohammadAG | doesn't work for me |
| 00:09.39 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:09.53 | MohammadAG | use ssh from the N900 if you're on linux |
| 00:10.03 | shorter | that would be my first guess |
| 00:10.09 | shorter | especially if you can mount ssh volumes |
| 00:10.09 | N900rulz | I'm on Win 7 |
| 00:10.14 | shorter | and then us a file manager |
| 00:10.34 | SpeedEvil | ssh fails hard if you try to move stuff |
| 00:10.41 | shorter | how danagerous is it really to add the developer repository? |
| 00:10.43 | SpeedEvil | sshfs |
| 00:10.52 | SpeedEvil | as it doesn't do rename |
| 00:10.59 | shorter | I want that app to change the startup vid, which is in the dev repos. |
| 00:11.02 | SpeedEvil | unless it does, and I'm confused again |
| 00:11.11 | SpeedEvil | shorter: I have currently ~30 apps installed from devel |
| 00:11.13 | N900rulz | is there a soft to access my pc remotely? sorry for noobish question |
| 00:11.20 | SpeedEvil | shorter: no issues |
| 00:11.31 | SpeedEvil | shorter: However - enable devel - install the app - disable devel |
| 00:11.41 | SpeedEvil | N900rulz: there is a VNC client I thin |
| 00:11.43 | shorter | same with extras? |
| 00:12.11 | SpeedEvil | extras is meant to be safer |
| 00:12.11 | N900rulz | SpeedEvil: ok...will try |
| 00:12.22 | shorter | so should i disable extras usually? |
| 00:12.22 | lcuk | tested and stable |
| 00:12.23 | SpeedEvil | Ten people have to check the app to see it doesn't crash. |
| 00:12.35 | SpeedEvil | Then it has to go ten days after that. |
| 00:12.41 | lcuk | shorter, its enabled by default |
| 00:12.52 | SpeedEvil | Then the blood of ten virgins has to be shed on a nokia 3310. |
| 00:12.56 | shorter | not on mine, i just added extras |
| 00:12.56 | lcuk | the other in development repositories arent |
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| 00:13.03 | SpeedEvil | And then it goes into extras. |
| 00:13.31 | lcuk | ~extras |
| 00:13.31 | infobot | hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 00:13.53 | shorter | yeahm, i meant extra testing |
| 00:13.54 | lcuk | Using Extras |
| 00:13.54 | shorter | sorry |
| 00:13.54 | lcuk | The Extras repository is pre-configured on the N900 and listed as maemo.org and is enabled by default in PR1.1. |
| 00:14.36 | lcuk | possibilities include not having pr1.1 |
| 00:14.41 | lcuk | or you removed it somehow |
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| 00:14.58 | shorter | when the phone updates, will having extra texting or dev repositories effect the updating process? |
| 00:15.28 | lcuk | shorter, usually no, but installing applications from these repositories might |
| 00:16.12 | SpeedEvil | Generally simply removing the app will make you able to upgrade |
| 00:16.18 | SpeedEvil | if there are problems |
| 00:16.37 | SpeedEvil | But I diddn't have problems - and probably had 15 apps from testing |
| 00:17.07 | lcuk | yeah SpeedEvil - majority dont have any issue whatsoever |
| 00:17.42 | lcuk | but the other repositories are more wild wild west, so its not possible to rule out |
| 00:17.42 | shorter | I just enabled extras testing and it found some updates to apps that i didnt have before I added extras testing...... |
| 00:18.03 | lcuk | oh shorter thats normal, you had the apps installed |
| 00:18.17 | lcuk | but the developer hasnt pushed the latest bleeding edge to extras yet |
| 00:18.32 | shorter | ah, okay |
| 00:18.39 | lcuk | so until you added extras-devel you were using the latest "stable" |
| 00:18.56 | shorter | so when updating have testing and devel disabled |
| 00:19.09 | lcuk | thats recommended for other reasons anyway |
| 00:19.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | yeah, and I see a regression on xchat though I don't recall having updated at all o.O |
| 00:19.27 | lcuk | the size of the catalogues is quite large |
| 00:19.42 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer2, ? |
| 00:19.46 | lcuk | which regression |
| 00:20.24 | shorter | great, was just scared of all the blog "brick phone" warnings about devel repositories and such |
| 00:20.34 | shorter | fear tactics! |
| 00:20.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | I filed a bug about "add to favourites" in chan tab context menu doesn't work like expected. Now there isn't any such menu item in that context menu anymore .o0(???) |
| 00:20.57 | N900rulz | what's that vnc client called? |
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| 00:21.06 | lcuk | shorter, if you are a developer and sensible you can understand the differences and rationally deal with most things |
| 00:21.37 | lcuk | Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search vnc |
| 00:21.37 | lcuk | vncviewer - A VNC viewer for maemo |
| 00:21.37 | lcuk | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 00:21.40 | DocScrutinizer2 | or my mind need a chillout&refresh |
| 00:21.54 | N900rulz | lcuk: thanks |
| 00:22.10 | lcuk | N900rulz, use the syntax i just did in future to answer self ;) |
| 00:22.28 | N900rulz | lcuk: I see....cool |
| 00:22.32 | SpeedEvil | shorter: brick is very very unlikely in the classic sense. |
| 00:23.03 | SpeedEvil | shorter: Generally - the worst case - if you don't install anything with 'kernel' in the name - is that your device doesn't boot properly and you need to flash it |
| 00:23.05 | SpeedEvil | ~flash |
| 00:23.06 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:23.13 | lcuk | i just realised the x11 vnc server isnt around |
| 00:23.16 | shorter | omg conky is sexy on here |
| 00:23.35 | lcuk | has seen things sexier than conky |
| 00:23.48 | shorter | pics or ... |
| 00:23.55 | shorter | heh |
| 00:24.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | has anybody seen/not seen the "add to favs" context menu item in xchat? |
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| 00:24.30 | SpeedEvil | don't think so |
| 00:24.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | damn, I'm not THAT mad, am I? |
| 00:25.15 | SpeedEvil | ass friends? |
| 00:25.19 | SpeedEvil | add friends even |
| 00:25.36 | SpeedEvil | when I click and hold on a nick |
| 00:25.45 | SpeedEvil | it doesn't seem to do the same in the channel switcher |
| 00:25.48 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer2, when you tap/hold on a #chan name |
| 00:25.51 | SpeedEvil | (which I have on tree mode) |
| 00:25.56 | lcuk | you can add/remove from favorites |
| 00:26.16 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: it doesn't work in tree mode, which is another bug I filed |
| 00:26.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | lcuk: not here anymore |
| 00:26.54 | SpeedEvil | ah - yes |
| 00:27.00 | SpeedEvil | I get it if I enable tabs |
| 00:27.18 | lcuk | i have no idea what chan favorites are tho |
| 00:27.27 | lcuk | doc, what version are you using |
| 00:27.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | autojoin |
| 00:27.33 | SpeedEvil | Autojoin or notify |
| 00:27.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | mompls |
| 00:28.18 | MohammadAG | <lcuk> you can add/remove from favorites |
| 00:28.24 | MohammadAG | it doesn't save them on exit |
| 00:28.29 | MohammadAG | both on my PC and my N900 |
| 00:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | 2.8.6 Feb 22 |
| 00:28.45 | lcuk | but the menu item is there? |
| 00:29.02 | lcuk | 2.8.6 april 24 2010 |
| 00:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | yes another bug |
| 00:29.46 | lcuk | is the regression you having an old build |
| 00:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | I refused to update, so the FEB 22 version is ok then |
| 00:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | wonder if that might be related to the znc bouncer? |
| 00:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | no menu item |
| 00:31.49 | lcuk | pass, ask RST38h about it? |
| 00:31.55 | lcuk | when hes here obviously |
| 00:32.23 | lcuk | vanishes anyway |
| 00:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | lemme restart that thing |
| 00:32.28 | lcuk | gnite guys |
| 00:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | nite |
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| 00:34.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | tadaa, add/remove from Favourites is here again (without znc bouncer) |
| 00:34.20 | shorter | what does it mean when an installed app doesn't show up? |
| 00:34.32 | shorter | install was successful |
| 00:34.48 | pigeon | can you tell modest to do top quote during a reply? |
| 00:36.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | might mean it's an app without icon, and you need to start from terminal |
| 00:36.35 | shorter | oh, it says "error: cannot create configuration file" |
| 00:36.45 | shorter | that is probably why it didn't show up - i launched it from the term |
| 00:36.50 | DocScrutinizer2 | pigeon: move the cursur under the quote? |
| 00:37.44 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer2: almost... it adds the signature at the top of the e-mail... |
| 00:37.45 | shorter | why wouldn't bootscreen app (from devel repo) not be able to create settings files? |
| 00:39.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | hmm, read the docs on project homepage, I'd suggest |
| 00:39.31 | DocScrutinizer2 | bootscreen sounds quite like a task for root, for example |
| 00:40.20 | shorter | wow typing sudo before it helped, lol |
| 00:40.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | see? |
| 00:40.31 | shorter | I wonder how people were running it not from the terminal |
| 00:40.40 | shorter | what do they run everything as root or something? |
| 00:40.47 | shorter | it usually has an icon |
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| 00:44.50 | shorter | ill figure it out |
| 00:45.18 | shorter | I wonder if restarting took as much battery as it looked like |
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| 00:50.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | for sure not the restarting |
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| 00:55.55 | pigeon | modest does not download e-mail attachments unless you actually click on the attachments, right? |
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| 00:56.40 | skynets | rofl |
| 00:56.49 | skynets | im changing the digitizer |
| 00:56.58 | skynets | tried unscrewing the screen |
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| 00:57.23 | DocScrutinizer2 | ok, scratch that "favourites" context issue. I switched to another server (actually my znc bouncer) by direct /cmd, so there isn't any entry in the server list where the favourites/autojoins could be added. Everything working perfectly reasonable wrt that |
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| 00:57.25 | skynets | the screw is striped :/ |
| 00:57.31 | skynets | noooo |
| 00:57.44 | skynets | i cant use any thing to open it |
| 00:57.48 | skynets | anything* |
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| 00:59.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | pigeon: I'd wonder how it'd do that, on my POP3 account |
| 00:59.46 | DocScrutinizer2 | pigeon: dunno if such acrobatics are feasible n IMAP |
| 01:00.32 | derf | It's technically possible in POP3. |
| 01:00.53 | derf | But I'd be really surprised if modest actually did things that way. |
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| 01:01.18 | skynets | does anyone have an idea what i can do |
| 01:01.24 | SpeedEvil | skynets: Drill it out |
| 01:01.37 | SpeedEvil | I suggest using a 22mm masonry bit in a SDS drill. |
| 01:01.42 | SpeedEvil | On hammer. |
| 01:02.33 | skynets | when i drill it what will happen |
| 01:02.53 | pigeon | ok, well i'm using imap. |
| 01:02.53 | skynets | the whole thing cracks? |
| 01:03.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 01:03.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | get the right tool |
| 01:03.43 | SpeedEvil | More seriously. |
| 01:03.55 | SpeedEvil | The right drill can safely drill out the screw. |
| 01:04.15 | skynets | all i have is a portable drill with no battery left and i can't find the charger for it (4.5v) |
| 01:04.21 | SpeedEvil | This would ideally be a left-hand threaded bit in a pillar drill set at a relatively low speed. |
| 01:04.33 | skynets | i only found 6v |
| 01:04.38 | skynets | adapters |
| 01:04.50 | skynets | and i have pointy screws |
| 01:05.00 | skynets | and all kinds of manual screw drivers |
| 01:05.08 | skynets | can i be mcgyver for this |
| 01:05.26 | shorter | does leaving wifi connected really drain the battery that much? |
| 01:05.27 | skynets | and drill it with the screw manually? |
| 01:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Generally - you never harm screws by pressing too hard with the screwdriver. |
| 01:05.32 | shorter | what battery saving strategies do yall use? |
| 01:05.36 | SpeedEvil | shorter: Not with a powersavin gAP |
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| 01:06.02 | SpeedEvil | shorter: I get ~120 hours battery life logged in over SSH with wifi |
| 01:06.32 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: does SSH actually work w/ PSM on N900? |
| 01:06.39 | SpeedEvil | with mine, yes |
| 01:06.47 | luke-jr | how? |
| 01:07.02 | luke-jr | I thought PSM basically turned the radio off except when an app wanted it |
| 01:07.27 | SpeedEvil | The radio wakes up for a timeslice, and listens for the AP saying it has data for it - in the prearranged interval. |
| 01:07.35 | SpeedEvil | It then pings the AP - saying 'gimme' |
| 01:07.44 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it anyway |
| 01:07.50 | luke-jr | ... |
| 01:07.53 | luke-jr | so really high latency |
| 01:08.04 | shorter | anything i need to do to configure psm? |
| 01:08.24 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: 200-300ms typical |
| 01:08.32 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: so noticable but not really painful |
| 01:08.55 | SpeedEvil | shorter: it's normally set to on. If you have a compliant router, it will 'just work' |
| 01:09.01 | skynets | i used the screw driver and a screw |
| 01:09.09 | skynets | now i can open the screen |
| 01:09.17 | skynets | but the bit is still in the hole |
| 01:09.18 | shorter | anyone here have an otterbox? |
| 01:09.22 | skynets | :S |
| 01:09.31 | skynets | dunno how i will close it |
| 01:09.36 | skynets | with another screw |
| 01:09.38 | shorter | running around with this thing scares me |
| 01:09.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: easily several seconds when the AP isn't in sync |
| 01:09.39 | SpeedEvil | skynets: Now you need some way of firmly clamping on the screw, in order to remove it |
| 01:09.54 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I'm saying what it normally does |
| 01:09.58 | skynets | :S |
| 01:10.27 | SpeedEvil | I would strongly recommend finding someone with a clue. |
| 01:10.32 | SpeedEvil | and tools |
| 01:11.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 01:11.55 | SpeedEvil | where are you skynets? |
| 01:13.04 | skynets | ? |
| 01:13.30 | MohammadAG | gets out his Javelin |
| 01:13.34 | MohammadAG | he's asking where you live |
| 01:13.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 01:14.15 | skynets | canada |
| 01:14.18 | skynets | you? |
| 01:14.19 | SpeedEvil | It's OK, I don't stalk random people off #maemo, and kill them. |
| 01:14.22 | MohammadAG | coordinates? |
| 01:14.22 | SpeedEvil | Well - not often. |
| 01:14.31 | MohammadAG | targets skynets' garden |
| 01:14.37 | SpeedEvil | Scotland - so I probably can't help. :) |
| 01:14.47 | MohammadAG | fires at Scotland |
| 01:14.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | skynets: EMEA here |
| 01:15.11 | skynets | cool |
| 01:15.27 | skynets | MohammadAG, the Javelin suits you for some reason :P |
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| 01:15.36 | MohammadAG | skynets, racist! |
| 01:15.48 | b-man | skynets: lol |
| 01:15.52 | skynets | lol no don't worry alot of my friends are arabs |
| 01:16.03 | MohammadAG | sarcasm... |
| 01:16.07 | MohammadAG | slaps b-man |
| 01:16.31 | skynets | not sure if you're talking about my last line, but no i'm serious :D |
| 01:16.48 | b-man | MohammadAG: jk xDDDDD |
| 01:17.12 | MohammadAG | skynets, I was jk XDDDDDDD |
| 01:17.24 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:17.29 | MohammadAG | b-man, is that bot in here? :P |
| 01:17.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | puts a ticking Mk-57 next to MohammadAG's horizon |
| 01:17.43 | b-man | MohammadAG: i hope not lol |
| 01:18.15 | b-man | MohammadAG: you maen Archabot or infobot? |
| 01:18.21 | b-man | *mean |
| 01:18.39 | MohammadAG | throws an unarmed tactical nuke at DocScrutinizer51 |
| 01:18.40 | MohammadAG | enjoy |
| 01:18.47 | MohammadAG | b-man, archabot |
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| 01:18.55 | b-man | MohammadAG: NO. xD |
| 01:19.29 | MohammadAG | b-man, I expect to have a working Ubuntu rootfs image 10 minutes ago |
| 01:19.36 | b-man | MohammadAG: btw, you grabbed the wrong nuke; that one was armed! |
| 01:19.53 | b-man | runs for the hills |
| 01:19.56 | MohammadAG | hmm, DocScrutinizer51's quiet all right |
| 01:20.19 | skynets | lol |
| 01:20.20 | MohammadAG | just got my bill, my dad's not gonna be happy |
| 01:20.20 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 01:20.26 | b-man | LOL |
| 01:20.34 | skynets | thanks SpeedEvil and the others who helped |
| 01:20.47 | MohammadAG | np racist |
| 01:20.48 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:20.55 | skynets | marhaba |
| 01:21.04 | MohammadAG | see? that's racism |
| 01:21.06 | MohammadAG | XDDDD |
| 01:21.14 | shorter | bill? |
| 01:21.16 | skynets | yeah it means sex |
| 01:21.20 | MohammadAG | phone bill |
| 01:21.22 | b-man | lol |
| 01:21.23 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 01:21.25 | shorter | aren't you getting free service man - you seem to be contributing a lot... |
| 01:21.27 | MohammadAG | it means hi btw |
| 01:21.29 | b-man | dies |
| 01:21.37 | MohammadAG | shorter, nah, others contribute more |
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| 01:21.45 | MohammadAG | take b-man for example, he made a ROFL ascii |
| 01:21.55 | MohammadAG | now THAT's contribution |
| 01:21.57 | shorter | I hope to be soon too, just got this thing 2 days ago |
| 01:21.59 | b-man | lol |
| 01:22.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | the laser pulse of the anti balistic missile measures was so bright, I still hardly can read the screen |
| 01:22.42 | b-man | DocScrutinizer51: blame MohammadAG for giving you the wrong nuke XD |
| 01:23.15 | MohammadAG | I swear they're f***ing with me |
| 01:23.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | giving wasn't exactly the right word for that |
| 01:23.21 | MohammadAG | the gif is just making fun of me |
| 01:23.39 | b-man | DocScrutinizer51: ok, throwing xD |
| 01:24.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm yes, it's a balisyic curve mostly |
| 01:24.05 | MohammadAG | ×צ××¨× ×©×××¨× ×¢× ×פר×××ת ש××, × ×©××× ×××ש××¨× ×××עת sms ×××××× ×§×× ××××× ×× ×¤×¢××. ×××ר ×ק××× ×©× ×ק×× ××× ×¤×¢×× ×ª××× ×צפ×ת ×פר×× ××ש××× ×ת ×××ר×× × ×©××. <--- right... say what |
| 01:24.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | so throwing isn't completely wrong |
| 01:24.29 | shorter | omg |
| 01:24.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, you've annoyed me for the last time |
| 01:24.41 | MohammadAG | throws 10 nukes, only 1 is armed |
| 01:24.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn |
| 01:25.03 | MohammadAG | you have 30 seconds to defuse the correct one |
| 01:25.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: he was a good lad |
| 01:26.00 | MohammadAG | I'm sure he'll be missed, by all 487 of us |
| 01:26.02 | shorter | I think I'm changing my boot screen to this: http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf |
| 01:26.08 | b-man | noticed that someone was switching around MohammadAG's nukes |
| 01:26.26 | shorter | should me help this plane trip |
| 01:26.47 | MohammadAG | that looks so broken on linux |
| 01:26.47 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 01:27.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ROTFL in TV there was just a duck that catched flies while sitting |
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| 01:28.47 | shorter | anyone have the lastfm app? |
| 01:28.59 | shorter | I don't see it anywhere except settings |
| 01:29.09 | skynets | wtf i dunno what to do with the new digitizer and plastic surrounding |
| 01:29.09 | MohammadAG | that only scrobbles |
| 01:29.19 | MohammadAG | k, it's getting late |
| 01:29.21 | MohammadAG | Night peeps |
| 01:29.38 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I misread that as fire. |
| 01:29.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I expect to see that nuke here in IL at 11AM |
| 01:29.49 | b-man | c ya MohammadAG |
| 01:29.50 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 01:30.01 | MohammadAG | ducks catching fire |
| 01:30.06 | MohammadAG | would be... awkward |
| 01:31.00 | shorter | oh |
| 01:31.07 | shorter | i thought you could listen via lastfm n900 app |
| 01:31.10 | shorter | eww |
| 01:32.15 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:32.17 | MohammadAG | there's an app |
| 01:32.19 | MohammadAG | vagulime |
| 01:32.23 | MohammadAG | or vagulume |
| 01:32.25 | MohammadAG | or sth |
| 01:32.33 | MohammadAG | used it for a month, then cancelled my last.fm sub |
| 01:32.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, my English is abysmal. Anyway I feel a duck catched flies but caught fire. Not sure if I'm completely wrong |
| 01:32.43 | MohammadAG | I figured that youtube kinda does the same, for free |
| 01:33.11 | MohammadAG | slaps DocScrutinizer51 for the night |
| 01:33.25 | MohammadAG | shuts down X server on screen 1 |
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| 01:34.04 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> just got my bill, my dad's not gonna be happy |
| 01:34.04 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> XD |
| 01:34.04 | MohammadAG | <b-man> LOL |
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| 01:34.12 | MohammadAG | happy isn't the best word btw |
| 01:35.05 | HtheB | wtf is nuke age |
| 01:35.21 | MohammadAG | I'm off |
| 01:35.25 | HtheB | happy ending!? |
| 01:35.35 | HtheB | do u know happy ending!? |
| 01:35.36 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:35.39 | MohammadAG | not really, it would be... a quiet, radioactive one |
| 01:35.41 | HtheB | u should see it before going |
| 01:35.49 | MohammadAG | it goes KABOOM |
| 01:36.02 | skynets | MohammadAG is excited tonight |
| 01:36.05 | HtheB | MohammadAG |
| 01:36.11 | MohammadAG | skynets, yeah I'm high |
| 01:36.17 | MohammadAG | finished my 3rd bottle |
| 01:36.18 | MohammadAG | of water |
| 01:36.20 | HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE |
| 01:36.22 | HtheB | :D :D :D :D :D |
| 01:36.23 | HtheB | there u go! |
| 01:36.34 | skynets | mineralized i bet |
| 01:37.31 | MohammadAG | lolwut |
| 01:38.03 | MohammadAG | @ HtheB |
| 01:38.09 | MohammadAG | skynets, nah |
| 01:38.26 | HtheB | :D :D :D :D |
| 01:38.28 | HtheB | HAhahah |
| 01:38.30 | HtheB | happy endiiing! |
| 01:38.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | 5L of water when drunken quickly can be fatal |
| 01:38.41 | MohammadAG | true |
| 01:38.46 | MohammadAG | osmosis-y |
| 01:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 01:38.56 | MohammadAG | and they're 0.5L :P |
| 01:38.58 | skynets | anyones got a manual or a guide |
| 01:39.07 | MohammadAG | yeah, man-db |
| 01:39.08 | skynets | to replace the fukking digitizer |
| 01:39.13 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 01:39.19 | MohammadAG | it's not that capable yet |
| 01:39.26 | MohammadAG | come back when PR1.3 is released |
| 01:39.31 | skynets | u know that surrounding piece |
| 01:39.33 | skynets | with Nokia |
| 01:39.38 | MohammadAG | last I checked, that was never |
| 01:39.41 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 01:39.47 | skynets | i can't get that around the digitizer |
| 01:39.49 | SpeedEvil | skynets: See the manual on the wiki |
| 01:39.50 | MohammadAG | that Nokia bezel isn't the digitizer |
| 01:40.03 | skynets | i want to put it around the digitizer but can't |
| 01:40.03 | MohammadAG | skynets, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8 |
| 01:40.29 | skynets | MohammadAG, i checked that but that guy ditched me at the end |
| 01:40.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, he ^ disassembled the screen 4 times I think |
| 01:40.44 | MohammadAG | skynets, tweet him |
| 01:40.54 | skynets | i dont tweet |
| 01:41.21 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking skynets |
| 01:41.22 | MohammadAG | you should start to |
| 01:42.02 | HtheB | happy ending! |
| 01:42.25 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:42.41 | cure` | haha hardware hacking |
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| 01:42.47 | cure` | that's amazing |
| 01:43.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's ridiculous |
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| 01:44.14 | skynets | DocScrutinizer51 |
| 01:44.30 | skynets | i can't get the surrounding plastic around the digitizer |
| 01:44.34 | skynets | it seems too tight |
| 01:44.37 | skynets | is there a trick for that |
| 01:44.40 | MohammadAG | use a screw driver |
| 01:44.46 | MohammadAG | to lever it into place |
| 01:44.54 | skynets | where do i start |
| 01:45.09 | MohammadAG | next to the clips most probably |
| 01:45.14 | MohammadAG | common sense helps, sometimes |
| 01:45.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | skynets: i never disassembled thescreen |
| 01:45.30 | skynets | oh ok |
| 01:46.00 | MohammadAG | btw, I said sometimes |
| 01:46.05 | MohammadAG | sheds a tear on his old PS3 |
| 01:46.19 | MohammadAG | ah well |
| 01:46.22 | MohammadAG | Night all |
| 01:46.30 | MohammadAG | ~attack DocScrutinizer51 |
| 01:46.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | I strongly recommend to cling to L1/2 manual and the video on youtube |
| 01:46.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | she asked |
| 01:47.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-P |
| 01:47.02 | MohammadAG | why doesn't that bevel come attached anyways |
| 01:47.07 | MohammadAG | infobot, attack DocScrutinizer51 |
| 01:47.10 | MohammadAG | that's an order! |
| 01:47.17 | MohammadAG | infobot, die |
| 01:47.17 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 01:47.29 | MohammadAG | ~unforget attack |
| 01:47.29 | infobot | MohammadAG: cannot undeleted 'attack' because it already exists! |
| 01:47.34 | MohammadAG | o.o |
| 01:47.39 | HtheB | happy ending! |
| 01:47.40 | MohammadAG | infobot, attack b-man |
| 01:47.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, she's broken again |
| 01:47.53 | b-man | runs |
| 01:47.56 | b-man | yay |
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| 01:47.58 | MohammadAG | funny enough, it happens on a monthly basis |
| 01:48.00 | skynets | comon sense broke my iphone :( |
| 01:48.18 | b-man | curiosity killed the cat |
| 01:48.21 | marmoute | iPhone broke comon sens anyway |
| 01:48.30 | MohammadAG | <b-man> curiosity killed the cat |
| 01:48.36 | MohammadAG | nope, cat works fine for me |
| 01:48.41 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:48.48 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
| 01:48.56 | MohammadAG | I think he's stuck |
| 01:49.04 | b-man | yup xD |
| 01:49.05 | marmoute | MohammadAG: but curiosity send SIGKILL to cat |
| 01:49.16 | MohammadAG | SEGFAULTS b-man |
| 01:49.22 | b-man | slaps HtheB out of it |
| 01:49.32 | HtheB | :( |
| 01:49.34 | HtheB | i like the video |
| 01:49.35 | MohammadAG | dumps b-man's core and sells it on ebay |
| 01:49.37 | HtheB | happy ending! |
| 01:49.40 | b-man | SEGMENTATION FAULT *core dump* |
| 01:49.50 | MohammadAG | b-man, too late, someone already got it |
| 01:49.57 | b-man | noes! |
| 01:50.03 | MohammadAG | he paid a buck |
| 01:50.18 | b-man | STACK OVERFLOW |
| 01:50.34 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
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| 01:50.58 | marmoute | Someone kill HtheB ? |
| 01:51.00 | HtheB | 51? |
| 01:51.14 | HtheB | why kill me? |
| 01:51.15 | HtheB | I just want |
| 01:51.17 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
| 01:51.18 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:51.57 | MohammadAG51 | I'm gonna pry this plymouth thingy |
| 01:52.23 | HtheB | im going to fall asleep |
| 01:52.25 | HtheB | marmoute, |
| 01:52.40 | b-man | gives HtheB a "happy ending" >;) |
| 01:52.48 | HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE |
| 01:52.56 | HtheB | i just have to rofl about it :D |
| 01:53.05 | HtheB | watch it, and ull know it :P |
| 01:53.20 | MohammadAG51 | why does the sun rise up so early |
| 01:53.24 | MohammadAG51 | it's still 5 AM |
| 01:53.53 | b-man | hey, the sun sets at 10:15 here |
| 01:54.04 | b-man | *+pm |
| 01:54.14 | MohammadAG51 | lol that's nothing |
| 01:54.27 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, when does the sun set in good ol' Germany |
| 01:54.41 | MohammadAG51 | last summer it used to set @... |
| 01:54.46 | MohammadAG51 | 12:30-ish |
| 01:54.48 | MohammadAG51 | AM |
| 01:55.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'm afraid in ~90 minutes |
| 01:55.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | nah that's dawn |
| 01:55.09 | crashanddie | GAN900: thoughts? http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/06/veil-is-vile-and-live-evil-says-levi_13.html |
| 01:55.11 | MohammadAG51 | xD |
| 01:55.11 | b-man | LOL |
| 01:55.35 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, scary title |
| 01:56.20 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
| 01:56.29 | MohammadAG51 | facesmacks |
| 01:56.42 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, explain separation of church and state to whom? |
| 01:57.00 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: sorry/ |
| 01:57.03 | crashanddie | ? |
| 01:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, nevermind, I misread. |
| 01:57.26 | b-man | will facesmash if HtheB says happy ending again.. |
| 01:57.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | lo comods |
| 01:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | Despite the legacy shit in the Federal government, most day-to-day people really don't care much about religion. |
| 01:57.41 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
| 01:57.49 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:57.59 | b-man | smashes his face in from smacking it so hard |
| 01:58.08 | b-man | falls down dead |
| 01:58.17 | HtheB | b-man, did u watch the vid? |
| 01:58.52 | MohammadAG51 | doubt it, b-man is one serious grown up |
| 01:59.06 | HtheB | :D |
| 01:59.57 | MohammadAG51 | #maemo disrupts my normal sleep patterns |
| 02:00.02 | MohammadAG51 | Night, ffs |
| 02:00.05 | crashanddie | night |
| 02:00.10 | b-man | g'night |
| 02:00.13 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: 4Am here if it makes you feel any better |
| 02:00.24 | MohammadAG51 | 5 AM |
| 02:00.37 | HtheB | nite |
| 02:00.40 | MohammadAG51 | so.. no not really :P |
| 02:00.43 | MohammadAG51 | Night |
| 02:00.43 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
| 02:00.47 | HtheB | :D |
| 02:00.52 | b-man | MohammadAG51: SLEEP lol |
| 02:01.01 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer2] by ChanServ |
| 02:01.10 | *** mode/#maemo [+b HtheB!*@*] by DocScrutinizer2 |
| 02:01.53 | *** mode/#maemo [-b HtheB!*@*] by DocScrutinizer2 |
| 02:02.01 | HtheB_ | -_- |
| 02:02.03 | HtheB_ | ok ok |
| 02:02.06 | HtheB_ | I'm going aswell :p |
| 02:02.14 | HtheB_ | 4.02 already over here |
| 02:02.15 | HtheB_ | ._. |
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| 02:02.42 | HtheB_ | that wasnt very happy ending at all hehe |
| 02:02.43 | HtheB_ | anyway |
| 02:02.45 | HtheB_ | nite all |
| 02:02.49 | HtheB_ | and you too b-man |
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| 02:03.17 | HtheB | well... cya later guys |
| 02:03.20 | HtheB | and remember: |
| 02:03.24 | HtheB | happy ending!! |
| 02:03.25 | HtheB | :D |
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| 02:03.33 | b-man | -_- |
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| 02:14.11 | ds3 | before I go down the wrong road, can someone confirm that the old Linux flasher will work with the N900 and PR1.2 assuming PR1.2 is available as a Fiasco image |
| 02:15.06 | crashanddie | ds3: yes |
| 02:15.41 | ds3 | and does upgrading via the flasher wipe out the emmc? |
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| 02:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, not unless you tell it to. |
| 02:19.43 | GeneralAntilles | and provide an eMMC image. |
| 02:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, why flashing? |
| 02:22.02 | ds3 | GA: how else do I upgrade w/o to PR1.2 w/o installing windows? |
| 02:22.12 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, OTA? |
| 02:22.15 | GeneralAntilles | From the application manager |
| 02:22.22 | ds3 | doesn't seem to offer that option |
| 02:22.36 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, hrm, apt-get dist-upgrade spits out what, exactly? |
| 02:22.46 | ds3 | one sec |
| 02:23.19 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, the likeliest story is that you removed the update metapackage at some point using apt. |
| 02:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | you should mention it's not supposed to answer Y |
| 02:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | Aye, that. |
| 02:24.19 | ds3 | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 02:24.28 | ds3 | is that why it doesn't even offer the option in app mgr? |
| 02:24.37 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, nope. |
| 02:24.54 | GeneralAntilles | If the metapackage isn't installed, h-a-m wont know to offer the upgrade. |
| 02:25.02 | GeneralAntilles | Since the packages being updated aren't in user/ |
| 02:25.03 | GeneralAntilles | * |
| 02:25.06 | ds3 | dpkg -l | grep for what? |
| 02:25.17 | ds3 | update? |
| 02:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | What the hell is the name of the metapackage now? |
| 02:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | maemo5? |
| 02:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | Is that the package name? |
| 02:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | mompls, as I still have it pending in HAM, I can look |
| 02:26.32 | GeneralAntilles | mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 02:26.33 | GeneralAntilles | I think. |
| 02:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | HAM will need 5 min though, to startup |
| 02:27.01 | ds3 | ii mp-fremantle-002-pr 3.2010.02-8.002 |
| 02:27.04 | ds3 | that is there |
| 02:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 02:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | Run an apt-get update and see if everything responds? |
| 02:28.24 | ds3 | will apt-get update confirm before doing anything dangerous? |
| 02:28.43 | ds3 | <-- kernel guy |
| 02:29.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | nodanger |
| 02:29.56 | ds3 | running... |
| 02:30.40 | ds3 | it looks happy, there were some Hit/Ignlines but no errors |
| 02:30.56 | lcuk | ds3, backup first |
| 02:31.10 | lcuk | then you can just reflash restore if you screw up |
| 02:31.25 | ds3 | backup is tricky with all the third party apps saving things all over; which is why I been taking so long |
| 02:31.26 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, update just refetches the catalogs. |
| 02:31.42 | GeneralAntilles | Most of the 3rd party stuff is pretty good about backing up with the built-in tool. |
| 02:31.45 | ds3 | don't have a 20G drive online handy |
| 02:31.55 | lcuk | ds3, from what ive encountered, its quite a reasonable uptake |
| 02:32.18 | ds3 | hmmmm... either it is doing it quietly or it isn't doing t cuz it only lists standard apps when it runs |
| 02:33.38 | ds3 | guess I'll resume course with a full backup of every filesystem on there before running the fiasco flasher |
| 02:34.07 | ds3 | any chance that installing an alt kernel would be what's preventing an OTA upgrade? |
| 02:34.17 | GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't |
| 02:35.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | I got custom kernel, and HAM says "damaged, but upgradeable" |
| 02:35.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | for maemo5 |
| 02:35.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | (no idea what's the name of the pkg) |
| 02:35.49 | ds3 | I also get other weird things from appmgr... i.e.it tells me there is an update for koffice viewer but it cannot update it due to missing libs |
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| 02:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | (ham doesn't tell such redundant info :-P) |
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| 02:37.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | missing libs is a quite reasonable warning for a 1.2 app on a 1.1.1 device |
| 02:37.38 | ds3 | that predates the official existance of PR1.2 |
| 02:38.02 | ds3 | App Mgr tells me: |
| 02:38.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, quite some apps werebuilt against 1.2 before it emerged |
| 02:38.19 | ds3 | "This Maemo update requires the Nokia software update application on your PC for installation." |
| 02:38.36 | ds3 | that sounds like it wants to do a full flash |
| 02:38.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yea |
| 02:39.18 | ds3 | unless it wants me to just hit continue instead of looking at the details |
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| 02:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | ds3, that means package conflicts |
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| 03:22.42 | ds3 | I see |
| 03:23.16 | ds3 | would recommendation be to do a verbatim backup and fiasco flash or to deinstall apps one by one til it takes an OTA upgrade? |
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| 05:08.55 | shorter | does gps not work without a sim card or something? |
| 05:09.54 | shorter | the satellite thing just blinks - does it not work very well or is mine broken or soemthing? |
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| 05:41.31 | swc|666 | shorter, maybe disable the network positioning checkbox from Settings > Location .. not sure if that will fix it |
| 05:43.57 | shorter | is there a good compass emulator for n900? |
| 05:44.36 | shorter | also, is there a way to have the pkgmanager not have to reload everything everytime you install a new app or change the repositories? |
| 05:49.57 | shorter | swc|666: I don't see things settings parameter in Maps... |
| 05:50.52 | swc|666 | shorter, in the actual Maemo Settings > Location |
| 05:51.44 | swc|666 | shorter, i don't know about the pkgmanager, i use apt from terminal to install stuff |
| 05:52.27 | shorter | how do you browse apps? |
| 05:52.42 | shorter | i mean, just looking for new things etc |
| 05:52.43 | swc|666 | apt-cache search |
| 05:53.03 | swc|666 | i generally know what i want to install |
| 05:53.08 | shorter | ah, I guess I could use the regular pkg manager to browser and then apt to isntall |
| 05:54.54 | shorter | what is this network positioning thing? |
| 05:55.35 | shorter | the satellite is still blinking, and in Maps it has a line through it |
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| 06:54.47 | digitalsurgeon | any newbie guide to packaging ? |
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| 07:37.07 | macbeth8c | hi I need help |
| 07:37.26 | macbeth8c | I have device N900 |
| 07:37.46 | macbeth8c | I have connected to wireless network with the password |
| 07:38.15 | macbeth8c | is there a way to remove the password from the device memory now when I disconnected it? |
| 07:38.24 | macbeth8c | it was borrowed I need to give it back |
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| 07:42.15 | macbeth8c | ok nevermind |
| 07:42.18 | macbeth8c | ;-) |
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| 07:46.17 | macbeth8c | how to off the device?? |
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| 07:50.16 | psycho_oreos | press and hold the power button? |
| 07:50.40 | RST38h | Anyone knows how I can use textures in GLES? |
| 07:50.46 | macbeth8c | psycho_oreos, the small one? |
| 07:50.58 | psycho_oreos | macbeth8c, yes the small one, in the middle |
| 07:50.58 | Venemo | macbeth8c: App menu / settings / connectivity / connections -> remove the wifi in question |
| 07:51.03 | RST38h | The approach shown in the examples on the web does not work |
| 07:51.41 | macbeth8c | psycho_oreos, Im pressing like 30 sec and nothing |
| 07:51.57 | macbeth8c | and when I press once the button menu appears |
| 07:52.09 | psycho_oreos | macbeth8c, ok then hit turn off the device |
| 07:52.11 | shorter | I wonder how hard it would be to port an app like xcalib to maemo - It would be really cool to be able to invert the display |
| 07:52.16 | macbeth8c | there is an item switch off! when I choose it nothing happenning |
| 07:52.22 | shorter | can any maemo pdf readers invert, btw? |
| 07:52.34 | psycho_oreos | normally pressing and holding the power button the device should turn off, but there is probably some app that is hanging and needs to be forcefully shut down |
| 07:52.51 | macbeth8c | psycho_oreos, how to check it? |
| 07:53.48 | psycho_oreos | macbeth8c, rather than going about checking it, I'd suggest opening up terminal, gain root access and then type in poweroff |
| 07:54.06 | macbeth8c | ok I'll try |
| 07:54.29 | psycho_oreos | macbeth8c, should be lot faster than figuring out the culprit process which might happen to be zombified |
| 07:54.40 | macbeth8c | ok done thanks psycho_oreos |
| 07:54.44 | macbeth8c | :-) |
| 07:54.51 | psycho_oreos | macbeth8c, no worries |
| 07:57.06 | macbeth8c | psycho_oreos, do you know how to get the sim card out? |
| 07:57.13 | macbeth8c | Im trying to open the cover |
| 07:57.37 | psycho_oreos | macbeth8c, there's online user manual that shows you how to do it |
| 07:57.49 | psycho_oreos | or even the manual that comes with the device |
| 07:58.09 | macbeth8c | I dont have the one that comes with device, its borrowed |
| 07:59.35 | psycho_oreos | http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf |
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| 08:00.00 | shorter | any ideas on how to invert the display or change background color for reading documents? |
| 08:01.07 | eternal197 | quick question for anyone here, attempting to get video calls with skype working, however before i begin i've noticed the front camera quality has decreased severely in pr1.2, anyone else noticed this/ know whats happened? |
| 08:01.54 | macbeth8c | ok psycho_oreos I red it - no button pressing ;-) |
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| 08:02.41 | Venemo | eternal197: for me, it is increased |
| 08:02.54 | Venemo | however, it is still very bad |
| 08:03.13 | Venemo | it somehow doesn't compensate for light conditions correctly |
| 08:04.37 | eternal197 | hmmm perhaps thats what i'm noticing, as i am in a fairly dimly lit room |
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| 08:05.09 | macbeth8c | psycho_oreos, thank you I got it out :) |
| 08:05.16 | eternal197 | Venemo: anything special about the way you updated to pr1.2, something I might have missed that might be my issue? |
| 08:05.38 | Venemo | I reflashed eMMC then rootfs |
| 08:06.08 | Venemo | for me, in bright sunlight, its picture is WAY too light and washed out |
| 08:06.25 | Venemo | in artificial lighting conditions, it is barely even visible |
| 08:06.51 | Venemo | but in PR 1.1, it was even worse... :( |
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| 08:07.16 | digitalsurgeon | how can i get rid of this error: Packaging Error: Command 'dh_shlibdeps' failed. Output was: c:\nokiaqtsdk\maemo\4.6.2\madbin\dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libqtflickr.so.0 needed by debian/easywallpapers/usr/local/bin/EasyWallpapers (its RPATH is 'C:/usr/lib'). Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have any shlibs or symbols file. To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set LD_LIB |
| 08:07.23 | digitalsurgeon | i am using the Nokia Qt SDK RC 1.0 |
| 08:07.28 | digitalsurgeon | on Win 7 |
| 08:07.38 | digitalsurgeon | and trying to make a package for the n900 |
| 08:08.00 | Venemo | digitalsurgeon: ask this on #qt-maemo channel |
| 08:08.23 | digitalsurgeon | thanks |
| 08:08.24 | Venemo | you will more likely get a correct answer in there |
| 08:08.41 | psycho_oreos | swc|666, ping! |
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| 08:10.10 | swc|666 | psycho_oreos, pong |
| 08:10.16 | psycho_oreos | swc|666, pm? |
| 08:10.30 | swc|666 | psycho_oreos, of course |
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| 08:24.09 | dr34m | hm anybody knows if there will be support for endomondo.com on the n900 ? |
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| 08:38.50 | lbt | lcuk: ping |
| 08:41.15 | lbt | meeting up in Helsinki tonight? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Eerikinkatu+24,%20Helsinki at about 6pm local time |
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| 08:42.15 | Ken-Young | ping MohammadAG51 |
| 08:43.13 | timeless | lbt: hrm |
| 08:43.27 | timeless | a couple of us are doing stuff early |
| 08:43.58 | timeless | if your plans fit, we might be able to squeeze them in |
| 08:44.32 | lbt | we're just going for a drink/meal |
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| 10:11.05 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ |
| 10:13.48 | LiraNuna | is Nokia releasing GPL code for the N900 modem? |
| 10:13.50 | LiraNuna | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50763 |
| 10:14.09 | LiraNuna | "Our adaptation guys are in fact contributing those modem subsystem related drivers as we speak, and if you are following kernel mailing lists you can see how that goes on." |
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| 10:18.06 | nextime | is thinking to write a maemo MUA from scratch using python |
| 10:19.46 | SpeedEvil | The actuall modem code will never be released. The interaction code - possibly. |
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| 10:22.10 | LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, what chip is it? |
| 10:22.18 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 10:22.20 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 10:22.34 | SpeedEvil | It's some nokia part developed with IP from TI |
| 10:22.52 | LiraNuna | blah, TI again |
| 10:23.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.visualcv.com/fgoeusse |
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| 10:26.58 | LiraNuna | sends rockets |
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| 10:42.59 | alterego | bleugh, TI, bluergh |
| 10:43.22 | nextime | it is better to use hildon or pyside to write a python application on maemo right now? |
| 10:43.28 | alterego | I wish Imagination would just open their friggin' drivers, or specs :) |
| 10:44.28 | alterego | nextime: that kind of depends on whether you wan yor app to function with minimal modification on the next device or the community edition of MeeGo/Harmattan for the N900 |
| 10:45.32 | alterego | nextime: hildon is probably a bit easier as PySide has a tendancy to segfault on poor reference counting implementation .. |
| 10:45.39 | nextime | alterego: i will happy to see it work with meego too (or a fork from maemo who hope will be annunced by the community in future as i don't like meego ) |
| 10:45.59 | nextime | but for the moment it is importat that it can have a good integration with the maemo5 gui |
| 10:46.08 | alterego | nextime: you don't like MeeGo? it's not even out yet! :P |
| 10:46.36 | nextime | alterego : yep, but the lose of the "debian like base" in meego is, for me, a bad thing |
| 10:46.47 | alterego | nextime: my app is Qt, there should be no UI look&feel issues if that's what you mean :P |
| 10:46.56 | nextime | as i'm a debian fanatic and this is one of the most important things that make me choice an n900 |
| 10:46.57 | nextime | :D |
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| 10:47.23 | nextime | s/choice/choose |
| 10:47.27 | alterego | nextime: I feel your pain there, I'm an avid debian user myself, but, it's still Linux and the differences are mostly cosmetic :P |
| 10:48.29 | nextime | alterego : it isn't cosmetic. I have my own debian reposiitory, i have set of personal tools to manage db packages. I don't like the need to start another set with rpm packages. |
| 10:48.30 | alterego | There was alk of a debian based MeeGo instance, I'd like to see that continue :) |
| 10:49.02 | MohammadAG51 | hates rpm |
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| 10:49.46 | alterego | nextime: sure, but it can all be done with rpms too, it's not the end of the world and tbh, the benifits of what MeeGo will bring to embedded Linux far out weight debian fanatacism :) |
| 10:50.22 | alterego | MohammadAG51: for technical reasons? Or just fanboism :P |
| 10:50.29 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, benefits? what benefits? |
| 10:50.44 | MohammadAG51 | technical reasons - it's fsc*ing slow |
| 10:50.51 | alterego | MohammadAG51: common open infrastructure and framework. |
| 10:50.58 | nextime | alterego : i know that all can be done with rpm. I don't say that deb is better or rpm is better. I say that i ALREADY have a lot of tools that i use for my personal needs on ALL my platforms, and i hate to be pushed to another package system cause of the "duplication" of the work |
| 10:51.05 | nextime | this is my point |
| 10:51.11 | MohammadAG51 | well, I don't see any open apps being fixed |
| 10:51.18 | alterego | indeed. |
| 10:51.37 | alterego | MohammadAG51: ? |
| 10:52.01 | alterego | regardless, it's sad, but it's the future :P |
| 10:52.03 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, take modest or HAM, both need fixes, that should be quie easy, but.. nothing |
| 10:52.22 | MohammadAG51 | I'm not complaining btw, just pointing it out |
| 10:52.30 | alterego | I think HAM is being relaced? |
| 10:52.39 | alterego | and it's not MeeGo :P |
| 10:52.40 | MohammadAG51 | relaced? |
| 10:52.47 | alterego | replaced ... |
| 10:52.54 | nextime | MohammadAG51 : i'm starting just now to write an alternative to modest :) |
| 10:53.07 | alterego | Sorry I tend to type scht on the N900 in IRC for some reason. :) |
| 10:53.30 | MohammadAG51 | nextime, why not fix modest, a lot of use IMAP IDLE (nokia messaging) |
| 10:53.47 | nextime | MohammadAG51 : cause there are so many things i don't like in modest |
| 10:53.48 | MohammadAG51 | of us* use |
| 10:54.08 | nextime | MohammadAG51 : anyway, my point is to have a great support on imap-idle |
| 10:54.29 | nextime | MohammadAG51 : and. modest actually DOESN'T support imap idle for real. |
| 10:55.03 | MohammadAG51 | I know, it's quite shitty :P |
| 10:55.59 | nextime | MohammadAG51 : basically i'm thinking about make a bindings library on mutt for python, and write in this way a gui frontend for maemo over mutt |
| 10:56.54 | alterego | Are there no good mail handling libraries available already? |
| 10:57.03 | alterego | Like, standard Linux ones? |
| 10:57.24 | nextime | alterego : there are a lot good libraries, but mutt is the best mua in my opinion |
| 10:57.24 | alterego | Is there a libmutt? :) |
| 10:57.55 | alterego | nextime: I thought you were writing an mua, wrapping mutt seems a bit ugly :/ |
| 10:58.40 | nextime | alterego: i'm just doing some preliminar research, the two possible ways are one mua from scratch or a mutt frontend |
| 10:58.58 | nextime | i want to have a very complete and good mua but i hope to reach the goal in less time i can |
| 10:59.06 | alterego | MohammadAG51: I've come up with another app idea, I think it'll be quite cool if I do it write, and I definitely think you'd be interested in it. Though it's a sizeable project. |
| 10:59.10 | nextime | so, i'm investigating which one of those two is the most rapid |
| 10:59.29 | MohammadAG51 | gulps |
| 10:59.44 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, what is it :) |
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| 11:00.19 | alterego | Heh, I want to write a UI that allows you to attach dbus signals to method invokations. |
| 11:00.30 | alterego | with some rudimentary scripting maybe. |
| 11:00.41 | SpeedEvil | zenity+sh |
| 11:00.48 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, Germany vs australia @ 7:30, bolt the door :P |
| 11:01.05 | MohammadAG51 | read that as attack dbus |
| 11:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 11:01.21 | alterego | Basically, I want a user to be able to "wire" up say, headphone's being unplugged to pausing the media player. |
| 11:01.38 | MohammadAG51 | hasn't someone already done that? :) |
| 11:01.49 | alterego | That specific function sure. |
| 11:01.54 | MohammadAG51 | good project though, if you understand dbus :P |
| 11:02.07 | lcuk | alterego, and users |
| 11:02.12 | alterego | But I'm want to develop a more semantic generic service. |
| 11:02.28 | spb | when did you become a middle manager? |
| 11:02.31 | SpeedEvil | wants tap implemented. |
| 11:02.43 | alterego | spb: get out :P |
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| 11:04.42 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, tap? |
| 11:04.44 | a-saint | hi guys I need to know is overclocking n900 safe and what is it for |
| 11:04.55 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, overclocking |
| 11:04.56 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 11:04.56 | alterego | so, just jotting some ideas at the moment, I'll hack something together with object introspection and PySide and see how well it works. Should be fine for simple method calls at least. |
| 11:05.22 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: the accelelrometer supports 'tap' functions. Which generate interrupts when tapped |
| 11:05.36 | alterego | Passing parameters around maybe more difficult and require some level of abstraction and logic to allow a user to use it. |
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| 11:05.50 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, hmm, that was available in previous Nokia phones (E66 iirc) |
| 11:06.10 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, is the accelerometer on when the screen is off? |
| 11:06.22 | SpeedEvil | Not by default I think. |
| 11:06.33 | SpeedEvil | But in 'sense taps' mode it uses almost no power |
| 11:06.48 | SpeedEvil | (with regards to the rest of the phone - no power. |
| 11:07.11 | SpeedEvil | It interrupts, the CPU does not poll this. |
| 11:07.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer |
| 11:08.46 | alterego | need to think of a decent name for the project though .... |
| 11:09.20 | SpeedEvil | Buscatcher. |
| 11:09.33 | a-saint | hi guys I need to know is overclocking n900 safe and what is it for |
| 11:09.49 | SpeedEvil | a-saint: It's making the n900 faster. It may not be safe. |
| 11:09.58 | SpeedEvil | It is not like overclocking desktops. |
| 11:10.32 | vldcnst | a-saint: overclocking the n900 is like taking bad drugs, it will make the n900 a bit faster but it will kill it much sooner. |
| 11:10.38 | alterego | a-saint: if you don't know, then I wouldn't worry about it :P |
| 11:11.15 | lcuk | the biggest problem i have with overclocking my phone is the fact when i talk to people on non overclocked phones, my voice sounds like a chipmonk |
| 11:11.47 | vldcnst | lcuk: doctor who presented a solution to that problem in the last episode. |
| 11:12.08 | alterego | lcuk: hahah |
| 11:12.23 | alterego | that was funny :) |
| 11:12.40 | alterego | don't spoil it, I'm gonna watch it in a bit :P |
| 11:12.46 | a-saint | SpeedEvil Buscatcher is a reply for me ? |
| 11:12.56 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:13.13 | SpeedEvil | To MohammadAG51 |
| 11:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack, I don't get it why gmeter seems to be disabled by default |
| 11:13.40 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Because these are software peopel. |
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| 11:13.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Oh - it measures accel - we must have to poll it. |
| 11:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 11:14.09 | SpeedEvil | -> turn it off when not in use |
| 11:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | you checked the kernel driver? |
| 11:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | what it is they actually do? |
| 11:14.58 | SpeedEvil | Not bothered, as with the accel on, you can observe interrupts when you bang the phone on the table |
| 11:15.00 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys use kismet/airodump-ng ? |
| 11:15.11 | SpeedEvil | So it obviously works. |
| 11:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | of course it works |
| 11:15.46 | SpeedEvil | I mean in kernel driver in some limited manner |
| 11:16.02 | SpeedEvil | Actually - that may just be the default settings. |
| 11:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's the same design we used for OM Freerunner and even 1973 ;-P |
| 11:16.10 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 11:16.15 | SpeedEvil | 1973 has no accel |
| 11:16.25 | SpeedEvil | Unless I'm forgetting stuff. |
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| 11:16.50 | lcuk | 1973 had ford capri didnt it? |
| 11:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | I had no coffeee yet, so forgive my brain not yet at working temp |
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| 11:17.10 | SpeedEvil | places DocScrutinizers head in microwave. |
| 11:17.28 | lcuk | http://www.dragtimes.com/1973-Ford-Capri-Pictures-7904.html |
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| 11:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | anyway http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Accelerometer |
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| 11:22.54 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, extended displays @ different res-s do work! |
| 11:23.43 | steverm | hi guys what is overclocking n900 for and is it safe |
| 11:23.56 | alterego | erm, .. deja vu |
| 11:24.03 | pupnik | Lapto15.9 watts watching a divx movie while chatting, full screen brightness |
| 11:24.11 | pupnik | what does n900 need for that? :) 0.3 watts? |
| 11:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking |
| 11:24.27 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 11:24.43 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: More like 1.1W |
| 11:25.03 | SpeedEvil | steverm: It makes the n900 faster, and no it is not safe. |
| 11:25.16 | pupnik | you have seen battery drain over 400mw SpeedEvil ? |
| 11:25.28 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, cool |
| 11:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | steverm: just yesterday we had a report here of a device almost killed by 10min of mpeg encoding at OC |
| 11:26.19 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: yes. |
| 11:26.20 | steverm | SpeedEvil ok thanks that's what I needed to know |
| 11:26.24 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: ~3.1W |
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| 11:28.27 | steverm | SpeedEvil ok one more question, I use msn pekan but I can't see any of my contacts, what is the plugin needed for me to see them |
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| 11:28.57 | SpeedEvil | No clue, sorry. |
| 11:29.05 | MohammadAG51 | Try Haze |
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| 11:33.26 | MohammadAG51 | ALG vs SVN - game started |
| 11:33.43 | th3hate | ALG ftw |
| 11:33.48 | th3hate | 2-0 plz |
| 11:34.49 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: if i didn't know you i'd guess that was BS! |
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| 11:49.29 | sp3000 | imagines CVS took too long to tag their team for release and missed the games |
| 11:50.48 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I think you may be confusing mA and mW |
| 11:50.57 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: mW=mA*volts |
| 11:51.15 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Also - the screen uses 250mA or so on its own at brightest |
| 11:51.25 | SpeedEvil | 3G can use the same again |
| 11:52.05 | ham5 | cant I view rootfs ? |
| 11:52.25 | pupnik | you're right SpeedEvil ty |
| 11:52.34 | ham5 | file browser dosent cut it |
| 11:55.44 | SpeedEvil | ham5: Install cuteexploere - for example |
| 11:55.51 | SpeedEvil | Or just use xterm |
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| 11:58.22 | pigeon | hmm, why would an app not appear in the "add shortcut" list on the desktop, but it does appear in the application menu? |
| 11:59.21 | ham5 | thanks |
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| 12:04.00 | lcuk | pigeon, most likely because you have a widget on the desktop already |
| 12:04.09 | lcuk | and if not, it mightv just got its knickers in a twist |
| 12:04.15 | lcuk | see if it comes back after rebooting |
| 12:04.52 | lcuk | ive noticed at different times (mostly with add/remove/reinstall apps) that it can occasionally happen |
| 12:07.52 | pigeon | hmm |
| 12:08.12 | pigeon | it's not widget, it's an app shortcut, and i tried rebooting already. |
| 12:08.31 | lcuk | mhm dunno then |
| 12:08.41 | pigeon | /usr/share/applications/hildon/mobilehotspot.desktop |
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| 12:33.54 | alterego | shame we can't have minus stars on threads :) |
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| 12:50.30 | alterego | And is there a brainstorm for sorting out t.m.o? I think it's getting better by itself a bit though .. |
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| 12:53.17 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 12:54.43 | MOUD | how can I watch world cup on my n900? |
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| 13:01.18 | alterego | MOUD: find a flash based streaming service that works I guess ... |
| 13:04.01 | MOUD | alterego: That's the problem. I cant find any |
| 13:04.16 | MOUD | if you could link one please |
| 13:05.24 | Jaffa | MOUD: Where are you based? |
| 13:05.25 | alterego | sky sports usually do streaming I believe .. |
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| 13:05.41 | Jaffa | tvcatchup.com or iPlayer may work in the UK. |
| 13:09.45 | MOUD | Jaffa: Saudi Arabia atm. I travel to many countries whenever i have to |
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| 13:27.43 | melmoth | gosh... how complicated is it to find where to download the maemo sdk for debian ? |
| 13:28.19 | melmoth | last time i checked (2 days ago), there was a bundle (sdk+qtcreator) that miserablt failed to install on ubuntu |
| 13:28.30 | melmoth | i want to try again on a fresh debian, but cannot find the url again |
| 13:28.59 | vldcnst | X-Fade: here? |
| 13:29.06 | melmoth | maemo.org gives url to the manual install.... |
| 13:29.13 | melmoth | http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/maemo/ gives url to the sources...; |
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| 13:35.05 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, ping |
| 13:35.06 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 13:35.26 | HtheB | MohammadAG51, are you there? |
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| 13:36.45 | MohammadAG51 | HtheB, yeah, not home though |
| 13:36.51 | HtheB | ah |
| 13:36.53 | HtheB | ok, |
| 13:36.57 | HtheB | where are you ? :P |
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| 13:40.49 | w00t_ | any pyqt people around? I'm trying to prototype something insane and I've forgotten most of how it works, which isn't helping |
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| 13:42.57 | Jaffa | Gah. So utterly pissed off and demotivated. One single throw away discussion can destroy your optimism |
| 13:43.05 | Jaffa | (not entirely Maemo related ;-)) |
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| 13:47.00 | w00t_ | never mind, C++ it is |
| 13:47.03 | w00t_ | Jaffa: what's up? |
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| 13:50.18 | alterego | w00t_: i'm somewhat familiar with PySide :) what's your problem? |
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| 13:51.10 | w00t_ | alterego: I couldn't figure out how templates (like QList<QWidget*>) would translate, so I just decided to stop translating.. I probably think quicker in C++ right now anyway |
| 13:52.11 | Jaffa | w00t_: Primarily work stuff (although frustrated with MeeGo). Some of my colleagues are sidelining me (or rather it feels like they are), despite management claiming I'm essential. |
| 13:52.23 | alterego | :) fair nuff. qlists just get converted to lists I believe. |
| 13:52.52 | Jaffa | w00t_: Not sure if it's conscious "we don't need to talk to him anymore"; or whether it's subconscious "out-of-sight/out-of-mind" stuff. Neither makes me happy :-( |
| 13:53.10 | w00t_ | hmm :-( |
| 13:53.12 | w00t_ | pats |
| 13:53.25 | Jaffa | Ta. |
| 13:53.36 | Jaffa | w00t_: So, if I'm abrupt in replying to your posts; sorry ;-) |
| 13:53.49 | w00t_ | it's ok, i'm used to it! |
| 13:53.52 | w00t_ | :-P |
| 13:54.04 | Jaffa | :-p |
| 13:54.39 | Jaffa | needs to talk to lbt again |
| 13:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sounds like "DocS trying to talk to TPE EE, via email from Germany" been there, seen that :-S |
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| 13:59.14 | Jaffa | lo crashanddie |
| 13:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sometimes I felt like talking to a spamfilter or autoresponder |
| 13:59.50 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Know that feeling :-( |
| 14:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | and the 79 different meanings of "yes" in chinese lang, from "great idea" till "fsck you", didn't really help on better comunications either :-P |
| 14:02.49 | Jaffa | Heh |
| 14:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | "will you agree on those suggestions?" YES - "...or do you think it's BS?" YES |
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| 14:16.47 | HtheB | AAAAAAAAARG! |
| 14:16.51 | HtheB | im getting nuts! |
| 14:16.52 | HtheB | >.< |
| 14:17.02 | HtheB | needs help with NITdroid |
| 14:17.18 | alterego | Sunday flame wars, gotta love 'em |
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| 14:17.58 | HtheB | jo Guest68707 ! |
| 14:18.06 | crashanddie | lo Jaffa |
| 14:18.12 | HtheB | cant get it to work :( |
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| 14:18.29 | Guest68707 | still not home |
| 14:18.32 | Guest68707 | err |
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| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | booooooooooooooring!! |
| 14:30.09 | HtheB | can anyone help me |
| 14:30.13 | alterego | indweedy |
| 14:30.14 | HtheB | with NITdroid on N900 |
| 14:30.34 | HtheB | .... |
| 14:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | see /topic |
| 14:30.47 | HtheB | ofcourse its boring if you dont help me >:( |
| 14:30.48 | HtheB | :P |
| 14:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to set up several autoresponders for HtheB |
| 14:31.24 | alterego | hahah, |
| 14:31.58 | HtheB | happy ending!? |
| 14:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | one being /on regex('ending\!') msg "/cs op #maemo", msg "/kick HtheB " |
| 14:34.11 | HtheB | :D :D :D :D |
| 14:34.17 | HtheB | why the hell.. |
| 14:34.27 | HtheB | happy ending?! |
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| 14:34.31 | HtheB | :D |
| 14:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | It'd be fun to see you kicked on any random person posting "bla blub ending! chiao HtheB !" |
| 14:34.58 | HtheB | hahaha |
| 14:35.03 | HtheB | happy ending! |
| 14:35.05 | HtheB | :D |
| 14:35.06 | HtheB | meh |
| 14:35.10 | HtheB | that video just made my day |
| 14:35.15 | HtheB | sooooo many +1 ! |
| 14:35.15 | vldcnst | infobot, HtheB is boring, obsolete, crying, sad. |
| 14:35.16 | infobot | okay, vldcnst |
| 14:35.32 | vldcnst | infobot, tell HtheB about HtheB |
| 14:35.35 | HtheB | infobot, happy ending!? |
| 14:36.05 | HtheB | infobot, vldcnst sux.... |
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| 14:36.19 | HtheB | infobot, tell vldcnst about vldcnst |
| 14:36.20 | HtheB | ._. |
| 14:36.29 | vldcnst | fail. |
| 14:36.34 | HtheB | xD |
| 14:36.56 | HtheB | infobot, vldcnst is sucking a lot.... |
| 14:36.57 | infobot | okay, HtheB |
| 14:37.00 | HtheB | infobot, tell vldcnst about vldcnst |
| 14:37.02 | HtheB | :D |
| 14:37.19 | FredrIQ | abusers |
| 14:37.23 | HtheB | lol |
| 14:37.29 | vldcnst | infobot, forget vldcnst |
| 14:37.29 | infobot | vldcnst: i forgot vldcnst |
| 14:37.34 | vldcnst | HtheB: now stop it. |
| 14:37.36 | HtheB | infobot, forget HtheB |
| 14:37.36 | infobot | i forgot htheb, HtheB |
| 14:37.36 | HtheB | ok |
| 14:37.52 | HtheB | anyone got NITdroid working? |
| 14:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | noobs |
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| 14:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer is infobot's best friend |
| 14:39.29 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, DocScrutinizer |
| 14:39.49 | FredrIQ | infobot, forget about yourself |
| 14:39.49 | infobot | i didn't have anything called 'about yourself' to forget, FredrIQ |
| 14:40.00 | FredrIQ | infobot, forget infobot |
| 14:40.00 | infobot | i forgot infobot, FredrIQ |
| 14:40.04 | FredrIQ | np |
| 14:40.07 | HtheB | infobot, tell infobot about infobot |
| 14:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | FredrIQ: fsckU |
| 14:40.16 | HtheB | :D |
| 14:40.23 | FredrIQ | infobot, recover infobot |
| 14:40.38 | FredrIQ | ~recover infobot |
| 14:40.43 | HtheB | infobot, infobot is awesome! |
| 14:40.44 | infobot | ...but infobot is already something else... |
| 14:40.49 | HtheB | oh |
| 14:40.58 | vldcnst | sundays are boring, aren't they |
| 14:41.01 | HtheB | :D heh |
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| 14:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | stop messing with infobot. That's a serious warning! |
| 14:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | FredrIQ: RTFM!! |
| 14:42.22 | HtheB | hears grasshoppers |
| 14:42.42 | FredrIQ | ? >_> |
| 14:42.49 | FredrIQ | i've already stopped |
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| 14:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you messed with factoid database, without even knowing what you do. your [2010-06-13 16:40:38] <FredrIQ> ~recover infobot is BS ->RTFM!! |
| 14:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway *I* fixed that for you |
| 14:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~infobot |
| 14:44.32 | infobot | docscrutinizer, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo |
| 14:45.04 | vldcnst | *he* fixed it. |
| 14:47.17 | FredrIQ | docscrutinizer, calm down |
| 14:47.24 | FredrIQ | i just used a command wrongly |
| 14:47.30 | FredrIQ | nothing to rage about |
| 14:47.39 | FredrIQ | it's not like i ruined the whold db or smth |
| 14:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | first of all you deleted a factoid |
| 14:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | goes messing up FredrIQ's user wiki page |
| 14:48.30 | vldcnst | oh noes. |
| 14:48.30 | HtheB | a bit weird that everybody can mess with infobot |
| 14:48.57 | FredrIQ | do i even have one? |
| 14:49.02 | FredrIQ | not that i care anyway |
| 14:49.04 | HtheB | rofl |
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| 14:49.37 | FredrIQ | and it's not like you can disable write access to the public level |
| 14:49.39 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 14:49.49 | FredrIQ | i've forgotten what levels infobot had |
| 14:49.52 | FredrIQ | w/e |
| 14:50.15 | vldcnst | rage quit! rage quit! |
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| 14:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: who's "*he*"? |
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| 15:11.44 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *AariJaaksi*!*@*] by crashanddie |
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| 15:11.58 | MohammadAG51 | isn't that a Nokian? |
| 15:12.08 | crashanddie | no |
| 15:12.22 | MohammadAG51 | k |
| 15:12.55 | crashanddie | I wonder if the players at the world cup have been told the goal was the thing with the nets in it |
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| 15:14.08 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
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| 15:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? Aari was banned? |
| 15:17.48 | vldcnst | Just an impersonator |
| 15:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 15:18.25 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, you actually think that guy would show up here? |
| 15:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 15:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | strange things happen occasionally |
| 15:18.59 | crashanddie | qgil comes once in a blue moon, for ari to come it would take a corporate meltdown |
| 15:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, prolly |
| 15:19.22 | alterego | hahah |
| 15:19.28 | crashanddie | or like, I dunno, say if nokia completely screwed their users and community, so it's really not likely to happ... oh wait |
| 15:19.43 | alterego | hahah |
| 15:19.58 | alterego | I, personally, don't feel screwed. |
| 15:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | hand me the screw driver |
| 15:20.19 | alterego | I'm very happy with my device/s from Nokia |
| 15:21.17 | alterego | Not been as happy with the phones mind. My previous before the N900 was an N96 whcih I thought would just be a better N95 8G |
| 15:21.32 | alterego | It turned out to be a crashy pos :) |
| 15:21.44 | Surfa | n96 wasn't the best device.. |
| 15:21.50 | alterego | I think my 7650 was more reliable .. |
| 15:22.13 | SpeedEvil | My 3310 is way more reliable than my n900 |
| 15:22.20 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, the N95 was an epic phone |
| 15:22.27 | SpeedEvil | I'd love a n900 with that ruggedness. |
| 15:22.33 | SpeedEvil | 'Oh - I'm sitting on my phone' |
| 15:22.33 | MohammadAG51 | mod it |
| 15:22.40 | SpeedEvil | 'I'd better move - it's uncomfortable' |
| 15:22.47 | SpeedEvil | vs 'Oh noes!' |
| 15:22.53 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 15:23.05 | HtheB | =( |
| 15:23.11 | HtheB | i still cant put Nitdroid |
| 15:23.12 | HtheB | on my N900 |
| 15:23.13 | HtheB | xD |
| 15:23.23 | Surfa | i personally like n900 too |
| 15:23.38 | Surfa | there are so many possibilities with it |
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| 15:23.56 | Zucca | I've noticed rather irritating "bug" in maemo camera software on N900... Every time I plug my N900 via USB using mass storage mode the camera software changes the picture storage location to the memory card if it was internal storage before. |
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| 15:24.02 | alterego | Yeah, I think, after the N900 the N95 8G was the best phone I've ever owned. |
| 15:24.28 | alterego | It was the perfect companion for my N800 ans N810 :) |
| 15:24.51 | SpeedEvil | Zucca: When in mass storage mode, the internal flash is not accessible by the camera |
| 15:25.06 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, I had the N95-1 |
| 15:25.12 | MohammadAG51 | it was better than the N97 tbh |
| 15:25.33 | Surfa | MohammadAG51, depends on what you look for in a phone |
| 15:25.46 | Surfa | n95 was ok, but not quite attractive in my minf |
| 15:25.47 | MohammadAG51 | well, I expected more free RAM |
| 15:26.01 | MohammadAG51 | don't give a crap about device looks |
| 15:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I got a deja vu, or you got a macro for that "I'm sitting on my phone" stuff? |
| 15:26.11 | Zucca | SpeedEvil: Yes. But after I un plug it the picture storage location won't change back. And it happens even if I don't touch any camera software during USB connection. |
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| 15:26.20 | Surfa | MohammadAG51, attractive in any way, not just looks |
| 15:26.28 | alterego | hell yeah, not sure if the later f/w revisions for the N97 improved much. But judging by the "N97 was a failure, I think Nokia should give all N97 owners the new N900" rants when it came out last year |
| 15:26.35 | MohammadAG51 | the N95 was an epic phone |
| 15:26.53 | Surfa | sure was, but first of certain kind and thus a little immature |
| 15:26.56 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, it's a HW fail |
| 15:27.02 | alterego | Now, all those N97 owners are saying "All N900 owners should get N8" :D |
| 15:27.14 | MohammadAG51 | 128MB ram, 40MBs on bootup |
| 15:27.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm just somewhat repetitive. |
| 15:27.25 | Surfa | i wouldn't switch n900 to n8 :) |
| 15:27.26 | MohammadAG51 | 20MB phone memory out of the box |
| 15:27.30 | SpeedEvil | That was rant #4398 |
| 15:27.31 | alterego | It's just a self perpetuating joke |
| 15:27.50 | Zucca | alterego: Just wait for N9. Rumors say that it will be a MeeGo device. |
| 15:27.51 | MohammadAG51 | the only thing the N97 owns at is the hinge |
| 15:28.06 | Surfa | i like the mechanism of n97 |
| 15:28.08 | MohammadAG51 | i'll wait for neither |
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| 15:28.24 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 15:28.49 | MohammadAG51 | the camera was fail too |
| 15:28.58 | Surfa | rumours are the best, you can have everything and no problems :) |
| 15:29.01 | MohammadAG51 | scratching itself, I kept it open for 6 months |
| 15:29.11 | MohammadAG51 | lies, I have an N900 |
| 15:29.35 | Surfa | mini version dont have that camera lense protector at all |
| 15:29.59 | Surfa | doesnt |
| 15:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | Zucca: that switching to uSD thing is a veritable bug, please file a ticket |
| 15:30.58 | MohammadAG51 | I had the original one |
| 15:31.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's not really a bug. It's a consequence of a feature. |
| 15:31.27 | MohammadAG51 | the N97 looks better than the N900, the N900 beats it in every other way |
| 15:31.37 | SpeedEvil | Without completely reworking the camera saving, you can't fix it. |
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| 15:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it clearly a bug, if the setting is changed for no reaon at all |
| 15:31.56 | SpeedEvil | Having said that, I would reward lavishly anyone who made a replacement camera app. |
| 15:32.07 | MohammadAG51 | someone already did |
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| 15:32.19 | lardman | afternoon |
| 15:32.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's not changed for no reason. It's changed as the camera cannot save pictures onto the filesystem that the PC has mounted |
| 15:32.25 | MohammadAG51 | BlessN900 (idk why the f*** it was called that) |
| 15:32.32 | MohammadAG51 | o/ lardman |
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| 15:32.44 | lardman | hi MohammadAG51 |
| 15:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: wtf the cam has to safe anything when it's not 'activated'?? |
| 15:32.55 | MohammadAG51 | you should fix that cloak :P |
| 15:33.10 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 15:33.15 | SpeedEvil | I missed that bit |
| 15:33.20 | lardman | is fixed, just that my client logs in before I can /msg NickServ |
| 15:33.38 | MohammadAG51 | use a loadfile and time it like you want :) |
| 15:33.53 | SpeedEvil | lardman: If you set you client pass and username to login to the IRC server - you are automatically logged in when that happens |
| 15:34.08 | SpeedEvil | lardman: with no /msg needed |
| 15:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: set server password = user:ns-pw |
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| 15:34.46 | visz | SpeedEvil, http://blessn900.com/ |
| 15:34.46 | SpeedEvil | (you also need to add as a grouped account whatever you client will pick if your nick is unavailable, and set that up) |
| 15:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | freenode supports that |
| 15:35.24 | MohammadAG51 | IRCseven sucks tbh :P |
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| 15:35.55 | SpeedEvil | visz: hmm |
| 15:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's what docscrutmp is for ;-D |
| 15:36.16 | cehteh | blessn900 reported to me 'not enough memory |
| 15:36.17 | visz | the low blur mode seems nice enough |
| 15:36.17 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, it breaks image saving though |
| 15:36.22 | MohammadAG51 | cehteh, same |
| 15:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: though I use a different unique temporary login nick for every of my clients |
| 15:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | then /ns ghost the main nick and change own nick from temporaray to main |
| 15:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: but with bouncer, a completely different setup is needed |
| 15:40.14 | konfoo | ah i finally got gstreamer to poop out a format that streams live through our CDN |
| 15:40.34 | MohammadAG51 | world cup? |
| 15:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | word count |
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| 15:41.13 | konfoo | ha no, im in socal, although the world cup location is indeed my hometown :P |
| 15:41.35 | MohammadAG51 | i want a stream that works on the N900 :( |
| 15:42.09 | Surfa | video? audio? |
| 15:42.13 | konfoo | seems like pulseaudio is the only valid source for capturing audio on the n900 - no direct dsp source for gstreamer that anyone knows of? |
| 15:42.15 | MohammadAG51 | video, world cup |
| 15:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | konfoo: I'd guess ALSA hw:1.0 should work |
| 15:43.44 | konfoo | doc: thanks ill give that a try. pulse creates a horridly desynced rtp muxed stream. completely unplayable |
| 15:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | but might break your mic, when inbound call needs it |
| 15:44.43 | konfoo | the dsp h264 encoder actually works really well incidentally - i get no frameskipping even end to end |
| 15:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | damn, ther emust be hornets in my TV, and people in panic screaming and shouting |
| 15:45.08 | konfoo | end to end being viewing the phone's live stream in a flash player embedded on a web page |
| 15:45.18 | MohammadAG51 | Goal! xD |
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| 15:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | I *hate* horror movies :-P |
| 15:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | zaps |
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| 15:46.33 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 15:47.10 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: inbound call? |
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| 15:48.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: there's a new invention know by the name of "phone call" - those come in two flavours: inbound and outbound |
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| 15:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | while the type outbound is quite under your control, the inbound may occur any time, and might interfere with your usage of hte hardware, especially if you have establoshed exclusive access to a hw resource mandatory for that type of phone call, like microphone |
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| 15:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | so you better think about how to handle that situation |
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| 16:05.22 | konfoo | anyone know why 30/1 framesource for gstreamer always appears as 60fps in vlc playback codec info even though it's 30fps? muxing bug? |
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| 16:08.50 | lauri | hey guys, I remember on Maemo summit someone showed how to enable LEDs to show CPU interrupts |
| 16:08.57 | lauri | where can I find more information about this? |
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| 16:15.57 | Blaizzen | score!! |
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| 16:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | konfoo: interlace? 2 half-frames? |
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| 16:25.47 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 16:28.36 | GAN900 | Jaffa, lol. |
| 16:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 16:30.33 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, mwkn |
| 16:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 16:30.49 | GAN900 | I always forget that Google Docs email is coming |
| 16:31.00 | satmd | pokes Stskeeps |
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| 16:37.03 | noobmonk3y | waves |
| 16:37.42 | SpeedEvil | particles. |
| 16:37.50 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
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| 16:38.51 | MohammadAG51 | throws a frals at noobmonk3y |
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| 16:41.31 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals with a nokia N93 .... better than a trout ;) with less use ;) |
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| 16:46.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMjiv6r6js |
| 16:46.59 | SpeedEvil | htere are better phones to use |
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| 16:49.28 | GAN900 | wonders how it is that MeeGo is distributing Chrome/Chromium. |
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| 16:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | chrome salts are extremely toxic, so I think I don't need chrome :-P |
| 16:51.41 | kW_ | Hello! Has anyone experience putting Maemo 5 PR 1.2 completely on a eMMC partition? |
| 16:53.29 | Jaffa | GAN900: Indeed. tekojo never got back to us about that. |
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| 16:54.31 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Differet set of lawyers? |
| 17:00.34 | th3hate_ | what's best font to use in n900's xchat? |
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| 17:01.38 | th3hate_ | talk... |
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| 17:03.00 | BCMM | th3hate_: a matter of personal taste |
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| 17:03.17 | th3hate_ | what do you use? |
| 17:03.25 | BCMM | th3hate_: the default, atm |
| 17:03.32 | BCMM | i may change it |
| 17:03.39 | th3hate_ | too small |
| 17:03.56 | BCMM | th3hate_: do you prefer proportional or fixed fonts for IRC? |
| 17:04.36 | BCMM | you can of course just use the default font in a larger size |
| 17:04.38 | th3hate_ | whats the difference? |
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| 17:04.58 | BCMM | th3hate_: between fixed and proportional? |
| 17:05.03 | th3hate_ | yep |
| 17:05.25 | BCMM | th3hate_: fixed-width fonts have all characters the same width - space, i and W would all be the same width |
| 17:06.09 | th3hate_ | omg that would be one fat i |
| 17:06.19 | BCMM | they originated in typewriters due to technical limitations, and today are often used for displaying source code |
| 17:06.40 | BCMM | th3hate_: well, the i has a big serif at the bottom and a bit of empty space either side |
| 17:06.51 | BCMM | th3hate_: the default font is fixed |
| 17:07.07 | BCMM | (without a serif on the i though) |
| 17:07.18 | BCMM | are you on the n900 now? |
| 17:07.25 | BCMM | look at the word "fixed" |
| 17:07.43 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, how long did it take to compile the kernel on the N900 again? |
| 17:07.45 | BCMM | if you are using the default font, there is a bit of space either side of the i |
| 17:08.15 | th3hate_ | then i prefer proportional |
| 17:08.16 | BCMM | and the characters line up into neat columns between the lines |
| 17:08.18 | th3hate_ | i guess |
| 17:08.37 | BCMM | th3hate_: yeah, not sure why so many people prefer irc to be fixed-width |
| 17:08.39 | BCMM | i do, though |
| 17:08.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: ~3 hours |
| 17:08.51 | BCMM | th3hate_: well, next question - serif or sans-serif? |
| 17:09.14 | th3hate_ | whats the difference again... |
| 17:09.17 | th3hate_ | xD |
| 17:09.32 | MohammadAG51 | facepalms |
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| 17:09.50 | BCMM | th3hate_: well, a serifed font has serifs... they are small things on the end of lines |
| 17:10.00 | BCMM | th3hate_: for example, look at a capital I |
| 17:10.22 | th3hate_ | i don't see serifs |
| 17:10.24 | BCMM | in a sans font, such as the default n900 xchat font, it is a straight line |
| 17:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
| 17:11.04 | BCMM | th3hate_: in Times New Roman, for example, there would be horizontal bits at the top and bottom of the I |
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| 17:11.36 | th3hate_ | i like sans-serif then |
| 17:11.42 | BCMM | th3hate_: you reall need a picture, look at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans-serif |
| 17:12.02 | BCMM | th3hate_: the most well-known sans font is arguably Arial, and the most well-known Serif font Times New Roman |
| 17:12.08 | benno2 | Hi, any idea what's the maximum sampling frequency supported by the N900 while capturing audio ? can I open an alsa input device with 22kHz in capture mode ? |
| 17:12.21 | BCMM | th3hate_: but both sans and serif fonts come much nicer than those |
| 17:12.45 | BCMM | th3hate_: so you want a sans-serif proportional? |
| 17:12.45 | th3hate_ | i see |
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| 17:13.01 | th3hate_ | yes |
| 17:13.10 | th3hate_ | that would be good |
| 17:13.13 | BCMM | th3hate_: you could look at Nokia Sans |
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| 17:13.52 | th3hate_ | Nokia Sans SemiBold, 16 |
| 17:14.00 | th3hate_ | that's what im using |
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| 17:14.40 | SpeedEvil | arecord -f cd test.wav |
| 17:14.41 | SpeedEvil | Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo |
| 17:14.41 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.56 | SpeedEvil | benno2: I have not got anything plugged in ATM - so can't confirm this works |
| 17:14.57 | BCMM | th3hate_: serif fonts are generally more readable, but a lot of people consider sans to be more readable on screens |
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| 17:15.09 | BCMM | i am not somebody who considers sans to be more readable, in general |
| 17:15.34 | th3hate_ | Nokia Sans |
| 17:15.42 | th3hate_ | this one is very good |
| 17:16.05 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, thanks. because other Qt phones (Symbian) can do only 8kHz, so it might be handy to use higher rates on the N900 |
| 17:16.11 | BCMM | is nokia sans the one the rest of the interface uses (by default)? |
| 17:16.42 | MohammadAG51 | Nokia Sans is the default one |
| 17:16.49 | MohammadAG51 | in xchat |
| 17:17.13 | th3hate_ | rest of the interface uses a thinner font than nokia sans |
| 17:17.20 | th3hate_ | not the same |
| 17:17.37 | BCMM | MohammadAG51: oh, perhaps i did change the default to a fixed one |
| 17:17.41 | MohammadAG51 | looks the same to me |
| 17:17.42 | BCMM | sorry for misleading people |
| 17:18.15 | MohammadAG51 | currently looking @ a blue block in my CPU load graph |
| 17:18.27 | th3hate_ | actually i learned a lot about fonts from you :P |
| 17:18.28 | MohammadAG51 | I'll leave my i5 running for kernel compilation xD |
| 17:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: benno2: you also might want to add a -v to arecord, to see if it *really* opens the hw PCM witha sampling rate of 44100, or the plugin stack resamples somewhere |
| 17:18.43 | BCMM_ | i'm using MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 14 |
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| 17:19.07 | th3hate_ | you should make it 16 |
| 17:19.12 | SpeedEvil | It claims to be real |
| 17:19.18 | th3hate_ | 14 is hard to read |
| 17:19.25 | SpeedEvil | Eyes vary. |
| 17:19.28 | BCMM_ | i like it, actually - sans makes some sense for fixed |
| 17:19.47 | MohammadAG51 | lol indeed |
| 17:20.03 | andre__ | anybody knows how to find out the phone number in ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db that I was forced to send an SMS to because of MyNokia when upgrading to PR1.2? |
| 17:20.35 | vldcnst | X-Fade: here? |
| 17:20.56 | MohammadAG51 | andre__, I doubt it's saved there |
| 17:21.03 | MohammadAG51 | I might be wrong though |
| 17:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I could think the hw even supports 44100 *only*, and every different sampling rate is resampled by alsa/PA |
| 17:21.22 | andre__ | MohammadAG51, but some people found out in the bug reports. They didn't describe how, though. maybe I should ask there :-P |
| 17:21.27 | th3hate_ | is it illegal to download chromium for n900 now? |
| 17:21.50 | MohammadAG51 | no, but it might be illegal to host it |
| 17:22.02 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, thanks. I am using QAudioInput but don't have a real device handy ATM, (colleague is doing the testing remotely). on the SDK for example I set QAudioInput to record with a buf of 512bytes but on the real N900 it opens it with 1600bytes (which is a strange number, not a power of 2). |
| 17:22.10 | MohammadAG51 | andre__, hmm, i suggest asking ossipena or anyone who's used a database |
| 17:22.20 | MohammadAG51 | or check out VertSMS's sources |
| 17:22.27 | BCMM | ... and messages like that are why i don't use a size 16 font... |
| 17:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: yes, ALSA does that weird kind of stuff |
| 17:22.59 | th3hate_ | use shift+up to scroll long messages |
| 17:23.30 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, it seems QAudioInput uses ALSA. while other maemo apps use gstreamer. so does it mean that one can use ALSA and gstreamer in parallel ? (software mixing in the ALSA layer?) |
| 17:23.30 | SpeedEvil | It is not illegal to host chromium - in the courgette free version. |
| 17:23.33 | SpeedEvil | In any way. |
| 17:24.05 | SpeedEvil | It may be subject to legal action from Red Bend, due to them thinking that it has some patented stuff in - this does not make it illegal to host. |
| 17:24.10 | MohammadAG51 | well, hosting it can cause problems if they really infirnged that patent |
| 17:24.12 | th3hate_ | they removed it from -devel |
| 17:24.20 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: No, it can't. |
| 17:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: theoretically that's possible, but I'm afraid PA hijacked the N900 and ALSA plain vanilla doesn't fit in too good to that picture |
| 17:24.25 | th3hate_ | can't download now |
| 17:24.34 | MohammadAG51 | then why did the council take it down |
| 17:24.35 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: The version recently in -devel had no courgette - it had been removed. |
| 17:24.44 | MohammadAG51 | courgette? |
| 17:24.52 | SpeedEvil | The council did not take it down. Nokia legal basically insisted it was taken down. |
| 17:25.08 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, sorry missing the term 'PA' |
| 17:25.12 | th3hate_ | what's courgette |
| 17:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | Pulse Audio |
| 17:25.19 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ |
| 17:25.25 | SpeedEvil | see the top comment |
| 17:25.26 | MohammadAG51 | seen that |
| 17:26.24 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, ah thantks. so is pulse audio running on the N900 by default ? if yes then strange that Qt for Maemo does not use those interfaces. I did look at Qt sources and there is no trace of PA or gstreamer |
| 17:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | PA is a layer *above* ALSA (basic hw drivers still are ALSA soundcard), but claiming (falsely) to do a better job on mixing/sharing than ALSA dmix/dsnoop does |
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| 17:27.54 | SpeedEvil | To add to the fun, there is a 'fake alsa' implemented by pulseaudio |
| 17:27.58 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, yes I know PA, still wondering why it got adopted by many distros as the official audio mixer. jackd does a much better job (extreme low latency, down to single digit) and has a clean API. sight |
| 17:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | then again PA supplies a ALSA audio device compatibility plugin for PA, so an app thinking it uses ALSA is in fact connected to PA, which in turn hands the samples down to the ALSA audiocard driver - all a nasty nightmare |
| 17:29.10 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, yes, this is probably why I get that odd 1600 bytes buffersize. |
| 17:30.55 | benno2 | SpeedEvil: could you launch: arecord -l on your N900 pease ? just wondering if only pulse audio is supported or the hw device too (card 0). thanks |
| 17:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | plus PA is known to have a few really terrible bugs in maemo, like not freeing the resources on closing the audio stream |
| 17:32.01 | th3hate_ | hildon-desktop uses too much cpu lately |
| 17:32.09 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1882344 |
| 17:32.11 | th3hate_ | how to stop that |
| 17:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | or occasionally eating up all cpu cycles for mixing down nonexistent streams |
| 17:32.38 | HtheB | happy ending! |
| 17:32.49 | HtheB | is going to jump from the window |
| 17:32.54 | MohammadAG51 | dsmetool -k hildon-desktop |
| 17:33.00 | HtheB | falls on the ground |
| 17:33.05 | MohammadAG51 | or simply killall -9 hildon-desktop |
| 17:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | better for you, before I get on you |
| 17:33.14 | HtheB | stands up and scratches his head |
| 17:33.24 | HtheB | hmmm... I jumped from the first floor :P |
| 17:33.26 | HtheB | HAHAHA |
| 17:33.37 | th3hate_ | will that remove widgets? |
| 17:33.43 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, sad, the linux audio devs are not happy too about PA. especially jackd author, which is widely respected by the audio community. any idea what audio API Meego will use ? |
| 17:34.08 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, thanks. so it seems that capturing directly from the card:0 (hw) is supported |
| 17:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | no, but I really hope they dump PA |
| 17:34.28 | SpeedEvil | benno2: that is not really the card |
| 17:34.35 | SpeedEvil | benno2: It's the pulseaudio emulation layer |
| 17:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 17:34.44 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, you thinks so ? :) |
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| 17:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | blaaarrghhh |
| 17:34.49 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it |
| 17:35.04 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, I think pulse registers as pulseaudio: ... |
| 17:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | that's such an incredible MESS :-( |
| 17:35.28 | SpeedEvil | arecord: pcm_read:1617: read error: Input/output error |
| 17:35.43 | SpeedEvil | after killing pulseaudio while recording from above 'hardware' device |
| 17:35.53 | benno2 | SpeedEvil :( |
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| 17:36.11 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, u know what I'm going to say? |
| 17:36.40 | th3hate_ | Xorg is using 10% cpu all the time |
| 17:36.45 | SpeedEvil | The other issue is that the audio routing is quite complex (though not as complex as some other decices :) ) so even once pulse is dead, it's not completely trivial to work out how to record |
| 17:36.45 | th3hate_ | is that normal |
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| 17:37.07 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, how can it be. I always thought that ALSA was the base system and maemo used an alsa audio driver for the audio hw ? what does lsmod say in this regard ? or do they have some proprietary stuff which PA and gstreamer plugs into (still OSS API?) |
| 17:37.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | HtheB: go ahead |
| 17:37.24 | HtheB | meh |
| 17:37.33 | HtheB | :D |
| 17:37.50 | HtheB | I still couldnt get NITdroid to work |
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| 17:37.56 | HtheB | it drives me crazy :( |
| 17:38.10 | GAN900 | alterego, ping? |
| 17:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: Nokia definitely has some 'proprietary' crap around sound drivers and config of whole audio system |
| 17:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: tok me 2..4 years to understand 80% of ALSA. No idea how to wrap my head around what they did to N900 audio system |
| 17:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | took even |
| 17:42.21 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, a proprietary driver is plausible but I doubt they use a new driver system so the N900 probably talks to the audio hw either via OSS or ALSA. otherwise both gstreamer and PA would need to have special N900 patches. |
| 17:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | ALSA I guess |
| 17:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | anyway Nokia obviously hasn't got it that a FOSS project is much more about good documentation of the concept, rather than dropping a working implementation to the community |
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| 17:47.55 | HtheB | =( |
| 17:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | the sourcecode of a working implementation can be next to useless, if it's poorly documented |
| 17:47.59 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer, |
| 17:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | WAHT? |
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| 17:48.14 | HtheB | you're the man :D |
| 17:48.16 | MohammadAG51 | 10m22s on the i5 |
| 17:48.25 | MohammadAG51 | 49m57s on my laptop |
| 17:48.32 | MohammadAG51 | i'll use the i5 next time |
| 17:48.38 | MohammadAG51 | (kernel, modules, packages) |
| 17:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | HtheB: c'mon just say it one more time, so I don't waste that +o |
| 17:49.27 | HtheB | k |
| 17:49.45 | Rofls | happy ending! |
| 17:49.48 | HtheB | :p |
| 17:50.02 | *** kick/#maemo [HtheB!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer2 (User terminated!) |
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| 17:50.30 | HtheB | it was Rofls :( |
| 17:50.30 | HtheB | not HtheB ;p |
| 17:50.30 | HtheB | haha |
| 17:50.30 | HtheB | :D :D |
| 17:50.30 | HtheB | sunday <3 |
| 17:51.00 | MohammadAG51 | aww, crashanddie is offline |
| 17:51.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | told ya I'll set up an autoresponder to kick you whenever somebody sends that string |
| 17:51.11 | MohammadAG51 | i wanted you to kick him |
| 17:51.20 | HtheB | arg :op |
| 17:51.28 | MohammadAG51 | LOL you set it to kick @ that regex? |
| 17:51.37 | HtheB | no one should say " ending! " anymore! |
| 17:51.40 | HtheB | :p |
| 17:51.50 | *** kick/#maemo [HtheB!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer2 (User terminated!) |
| 17:51.55 | MohammadAG51 | lag |
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| 17:52.01 | HtheB | yeahh : |
| 17:52.01 | HtheB | :P |
| 17:52.04 | HtheB | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: I'm compiling a kernel ;-P |
| 17:52.20 | MohammadAG51 | deops DocScrutinizer2 |
| 17:52.28 | HtheB | ^ |
| 17:52.28 | HtheB | ^^ |
| 17:52.29 | BCMM | hang on, which string? |
| 17:52.34 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, if you want use my i5 |
| 17:52.35 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer2] by ChanServ |
| 17:52.42 | MohammadAG51 | kernel compilation is an ass |
| 17:52.42 | HtheB | MohammadAG51, dont yell the word ending :( |
| 17:52.48 | BCMM | is it :p? |
| 17:53.14 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, or hijack into t-tan's Xeon |
| 17:53.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: nah, I don't bother if autoresponder is a bit laggy |
| 17:53.27 | MohammadAG51 | if you do that, change the pass for me |
| 17:53.33 | HtheB | ping |
| 17:53.45 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, how much time does it take you to compile it? |
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| 17:53.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | dunno |
| 17:53.57 | HtheB_ | arg |
| 17:53.59 | HtheB_ | disconnected |
| 17:54.02 | DocScrutinizer2 | j/k tbh |
| 17:54.03 | HtheB_ | MohammadAG51, dont yell the word ending :( |
| 17:54.21 | MohammadAG51 | HtheB_, you already said that :P |
| 17:54.31 | HtheB_ | xxD |
| 17:54.38 | HtheB_ | it will be not ending! |
| 17:54.39 | HtheB_ | never!!! |
| 17:54.43 | HtheB_ | gets kicked |
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| 17:54.59 | DocScrutinizer2 | takes HtheB_ to a painful turing test |
| 17:55.04 | HtheB_ | xD hahaha |
| 17:55.27 | BCMM | you torture him and see if he screams in binary? |
| 17:55.31 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, what's with the 2? |
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| 17:55.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | bouncer |
| 17:55.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | I'm still transitioning |
| 17:56.14 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
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| 18:23.07 | timoph | n810 keyboard feels strange after not using it for some months |
| 18:27.44 | frals | Stskeeps: pong... doh :p |
| 18:27.50 | frals | bug #10668 |
| 18:27.51 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10668 fmms |
| 18:27.57 | frals | this bug... :| |
| 18:28.23 | Stskeeps | frals: ah, too late :P me and lbt went out for dinner :) |
| 18:28.31 | frals | yeah, i figured |
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| 18:28.51 | frals | sorry i missed it - been busy :< |
| 18:28.59 | Stskeeps | it's fine, had a good steak :) |
| 18:29.35 | frals | :) |
| 18:30.59 | Stskeeps | will have to catch you when back from tampere i guess |
| 18:31.20 | frals | when are you in hel again? thursday? |
| 18:31.24 | Stskeeps | wednesday |
| 18:31.30 | frals | alright |
| 18:31.35 | Stskeeps | leaving saturday midday |
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| 18:31.45 | HtheB_ | fail |
| 18:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you've seen the report of a killed battery by running some encoder on a OC N900? yesterday this chan... |
| 18:32.03 | frals | ah, shouldnt be a problem catching up at some point then :) |
| 18:32.33 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no, but i wouldn't be surprised if OC'ing messed with some expectations of how quickly the battery runs down |
| 18:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: if not, then search for "24W" in backscroll |
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| 18:33.32 | Stskeeps | not sure i have that long back in backscroll, 19 hours ago :P |
| 18:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | sems either bme/dsme failed to manage the termal situation, or the "power kernel" broke the meassures taken by bme/dsme to stop the N900 from overheating and thus literally killing the cell |
| 18:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | seems* and thermal* |
| 18:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: just a few more bits of ammunition for you to bring jrbme and related stuff ahead |
| 18:38.02 | Stskeeps | well, OC's people's own fault if they break anything.. |
| 18:38.04 | lauri | hello guys, do you know what are called those yellow popup messages? |
| 18:38.11 | lauri | (in programming terms) |
| 18:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sure |
| 18:38.15 | SpeedEvil | hildon-banner |
| 18:38.33 | GAN900 | or hildon-note |
| 18:38.36 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, Germany 1!!! |
| 18:38.38 | GAN900 | For the big one |
| 18:38.44 | MohammadAG51 | (australia 0) |
| 18:38.49 | SpeedEvil | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/reference/hildonmm/html/classHildon_1_1Banner.html |
| 18:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | aaah that's the noise outside |
| 18:39.14 | lauri | Is there integration with Qt4/PyQt4 apps? |
| 18:39.30 | ds3 | what's a good way to view a huge (say 8192x8192) image on the N900? |
| 18:39.48 | MohammadAG51 | zoom out :P |
| 18:40.15 | ds3 | no,that's not the problem I am trying to solve |
| 18:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm just concerned about similar thing could happen with a regular stock kernel, when only environment conditions are a little worse. |
| 18:40.29 | ds3 | most image viewers will try to load all of it into memory and that well... don't work too well |
| 18:40.49 | BCMM | ds3: there is liqmap |
| 18:40.55 | ds3 | I know in the dos days, they had viewers that were smart enough to load parts of the file... |
| 18:41.08 | ds3 | BCMM: let me look that up |
| 18:41.17 | BCMM | ds3: which is supposed to be an interface for using a high-resolution photo as a draggable map |
| 18:41.43 | BCMM | ds3: although i suspect it still loads it into memory |
| 18:41.51 | ds3 | mapping is exactly why I am looking for this |
| 18:42.11 | BCMM | is it even possible to selectively load parts of, for example, a JPEG? |
| 18:42.20 | ds3 | what I was thinking of doing is chopping it up into tiles and using something like mapper to look at it but that's a lot of work |
| 18:42.37 | ds3 | BCMM: sure... a jpeg is a lot of tiny tiles in DCT space |
| 18:43.24 | BCMM | ds3: is that why poorly-compressed, low-quality JPEGs seem to have a "grid" over them? |
| 18:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as there's no requirements spec for bme, we don't know if that particular situation was caused by OC kernel, by a out-of-spec battery, by a flaw or bug in bme/dsme, or what else. I'm not tempted to test it on my device, with stock kernel :-P |
| 18:44.11 | BCMM | ds3: does mapper already do that, or would you need to modify it? |
| 18:44.38 | BCMM | ds3: i mean, the chopping up isn't a great deal of work |
| 18:44.42 | BCMM | well, it is for your CPU :) |
| 18:44.47 | ds3 | BCMM: basically, yes.. that grid is the tiles being converted from normal to DCT'ed space where the high coef's get dropped |
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| 18:45.08 | ds3 | BCMM: that and either having to georeference on the spot or have a ton of repos |
| 18:45.21 | BCMM | ah |
| 18:45.29 | ds3 | I can chop it up on import to device but it is the georef/tons of repo part that I don't like |
| 18:45.46 | BCMM | ds3: i don't know what "tons of repo" means |
| 18:45.52 | ds3 | I have huge scanned USGS topo maps that I would liketo carry |
| 18:46.08 | ds3 | BCMM: one repo per image... nad I have tons of images |
| 18:46.19 | BCMM | ds3: well, try liqmap - perhaps it does do something clever |
| 18:46.27 | ds3 | like more then 50 cds full of them |
| 18:47.44 | BCMM | usgs provides something a bit like like the Ordnance Survey in the UK? |
| 18:48.17 | ds3 | sort of...USGS provides more free data then what I recall was available for the UK |
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| 18:48.52 | ds3 | you can get digital rasters (huge TIFF's) from them or digital data with all the elevation data and a bunch other formats |
| 18:49.09 | BCMM | liqmap is supposed to be for taking a photo of a map and using that, so it may not do that |
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| 18:49.24 | BCMM | ds3: yeah, OS is kinda stupid about copyright |
| 18:49.38 | BCMM | by "do that", i mean "not choke on the massive images" |
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| 18:50.27 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer: here is the pulse audio mess you described, horrible: http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf |
| 18:51.13 | ds3 | from what I am reading, it is worth a try |
| 18:51.31 | ds3 | wish I could find the homepage for it tosee if it natively understand GeoTiffs |
| 18:52.27 | BCMM | ds3: the homepage for what? |
| 18:52.33 | ds3 | liqmap |
| 18:53.10 | frals | throws some bacon at lcuk |
| 18:53.13 | BCMM | wonder if lcuk is online |
| 18:53.56 | pexi | ds3, try asking on some GIS channel like #osm :) |
| 18:54.24 | ds3 | pexi: for an app that does it or for liqmap? |
| 18:54.51 | pexi | for the n900 and geodata stuff |
| 18:55.44 | ds3 | what I want to do is slightly different |
| 18:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: WTF?? |
| 18:56.08 | ds3 | what I really want is a N900 app for view topo maps |
| 18:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | ⢠Synchronize up link audio buering with Cellular Modem |
| 18:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.18 | ds3 | the android folks apparently have one ;) |
| 18:56.35 | SpeedEvil | ds3: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata |
| 18:56.46 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, germany 2 - 0 australia xDDDD |
| 18:56.49 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, set the latency higher while not in calls, this sucks for real time apps :( |
| 18:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | there somebody honestly lost his mind over the challemge perceived |
| 18:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | It's an utterly useless concept |
| 18:57.43 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: that's all vector data... I want the raster maps as it has notes made by surveyors, etc on them that is not in the vector ones |
| 18:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | as there's not the slightest need to sync ALSA buffering with GSM timeslots or whatever |
| 18:58.00 | benno2 | MohammadAG51, australia.klose() :) |
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| 18:58.36 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, software voip phones work quite welll even with echo cancellation |
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| 18:59.16 | DrGrov | Who mentioned about some World Cup widget? Perhaps I have been mistaken |
| 18:59.57 | MohammadAG51 | search for pelota on tmo |
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| 19:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head, deeply depressed about that paper and the concept sketched therein, sighs, and heads out to the toilet for puking |
| 19:02.31 | DrGrov | Pelota on tmo? |
| 19:03.04 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm unsure it might not have marginal powersaving benefits. |
| 19:03.05 | benno2 | I need to write a debugfile on the n900 and place it in a dir where the user can read it it via USB cable. what is the exact path please? /home/.... thanks (no device handy ATM) |
| 19:03.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: but I extremely question if that's relevant when the GSM bit is using a largish fraction of a watt |
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| 19:03.47 | SpeedEvil | benno2: /home/user/MyDocs is exported on plugin |
| 19:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's almost the biggest BS I ever heard - this part about >>⢠Synchronize up link audio buering with Cellular Modem<< |
| 19:04.13 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, thanks. trying now. |
| 19:04.25 | SpeedEvil | 'but this way I get paid for 10000 extra lines of code'. |
| 19:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly, plus for 3..6 additional man-months for implementing that idiocy |
| 19:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | go figure: Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages |
| 19:05.45 | SpeedEvil | It may also help remove 5ms of latency in the stack |
| 19:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | to ASLA!! |
| 19:05.49 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure about that |
| 19:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure that's a big steaming pile of BS |
| 19:06.57 | SpeedEvil | I do wonder what the hard minimum number is for GSM or 3G voice phone power use on call. |
| 19:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | GSM latency/skew is known to be in the magnitude of 500ms rather than 5, and the lag between speaker out and mic in to the modem is completely meaningless to anything OTA |
| 19:08.14 | SpeedEvil | ds3: no, it's not |
| 19:08.31 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, QAudioInput gives me 8000byte latency on the N900 when using 44khz, that sucks. equals to 100msec. courtesy of pulse audio and finnish audio experts :) |
| 19:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | so why on earth and in hell would anybody want to ""Synchronize up link audio buering with Cellular Modem"" ?! |
| 19:08.33 | SpeedEvil | ds3: OS streetview is a raster product, and there are other raster proucts |
| 19:08.55 | melmoth | sigh |
| 19:09.01 | melmoth | this plateform is depressing... |
| 19:09.27 | melmoth | trying to install qt4-dev-tools |
| 19:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, need to puke again... |
| 19:09.49 | melmoth | http://pastebin.com/nhcVjSkg |
| 19:10.45 | Venemo | melmoth: seems that this stuff depends on Qt 4.5 and you have Qt 4.6 installed |
| 19:11.11 | SpeedEvil | ds3: http://os.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=13&lat=56.21397&lon=-3.10867&layers=B0 - admittedly - nicer would be better |
| 19:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw all that isn't about powersaving at all (except the part where it's babbling about using modem amp to playback system sound would be a suboptimal solution) |
| 19:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | the whole hassle is just to keep the AEC inside modem working |
| 19:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Oh - the AEC is in the modem |
| 19:13.57 | SpeedEvil | so you need _really_ controlled jitter then |
| 19:13.59 | DocScrutinizer | which needs a non-jittery rtt from speaker to mic, to calibrate decently |
| 19:14.13 | SpeedEvil | Might almost be easier to put that into PA |
| 19:14.59 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, I really hope they did not do such a mess on Meego regarding audio. otherwise no wonder that steve jobs laughs all the way to the bank. since audio call do require low latency and stutterfree operation. why cannot have it in audio apps ? it rules out a lot of apps like musical apps, and other stuff which depends on low latency. on symbian it's the same. with nokia's api it's impossible to get decent latencies and users are smashing ovi store wi |
| 19:14.59 | benno2 | th negative comments about high latency. the fun thing is symbian phones are low latency capable. but nokia does not publish the api since it does not work on older phones. |
| 19:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's even inside PA, but then I don't see ANY benefit in bothering about 5ms delay for that buffer |
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| 19:15.52 | MohammadAG51 | germany is sooo gonna win this one |
| 19:16.10 | SpeedEvil | germany v poland? |
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| 19:16.40 | MohammadAG51 | germany vs australia :D |
| 19:16.49 | MohammadAG51 | 2-0, half time now |
| 19:17.06 | MohammadAG51 | additonal time, 1 minute |
| 19:17.24 | xDaReaperx | yeah haha that too before half time |
| 19:17.41 | xDaReaperx | i support Brazil though |
| 19:17.44 | MohammadAG51 | 2-0 |
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| 19:19.30 | melmoth | Venemo, problem is, i dont find any qt6-dev . What is supposed to be qt on a up to date sdk ? |
| 19:19.45 | MohammadAG51 | qt6? |
| 19:20.03 | MohammadAG51 | Qt 4.7.3 is the newest one afaik |
| 19:20.12 | MohammadAG51 | Qt 4.6.2 for the N900 |
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| 19:20.28 | cure` | god trying to install flexget on my readynas, braindamage for a linux noob like me, it seems to install the to python2.4 subdir when it should install to python 2.5, despite python -V returning 2.5 |
| 19:20.43 | cure` | had to install python 2.5 first, but something is not right |
| 19:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's an excellent example what happens if you give a requirements spec to a sw engineer who has no idea about the real thing. He tries to minimize a 5ms lag, just before it gets transferred over a channel that probably has a 1000ms rtt |
| 19:21.08 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:21.26 | ds3 | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata |
| 19:21.26 | ds3 | *** Signoff: melmoth (Read error: Connection timed out) |
| 19:21.26 | ds3 | <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, germany 2 - 0 australia xDDDD |
| 19:21.26 | ds3 | <Jymmm:#emc> cradek: Ok, so the "FILL" is purely a visual thing (on screen), |
| 19:21.26 | ds3 | +not remove that area like you would with V-carving? |
| 19:21.27 | ds3 | <benno2> DocScrutinizer, set the latency higher while not in calls, this sucks |
| 19:21.27 | ds3 | +for real time apps :( |
| 19:21.33 | ds3 | blah sorry |
| 19:21.50 | DrGrov | Anyone up for some theme testing? Let me know |
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| 19:23.00 | GAN900 | Seems like all themes out are testing themes. |
| 19:23.19 | GAN900 | DrGrov, just push it to Extras-devel? |
| 19:23.26 | melmoth | according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon , fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev should works |
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| 19:23.38 | melmoth | thinks there is something rottent in finland. |
| 19:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and that "syncing to p link" introduces jitter to the buffering, and also add complexity in an amount you can't do different than just running to toilet a 3rd time, just FOR NOTHING |
| 19:24.10 | DrGrov | GAN900: it is not my theme. it is the Nuvofre theme by Konttori |
| 19:24.26 | GAN900 | Ah |
| 19:24.43 | DrGrov | GAN900: he asked me to test it so why not someone else also give it a test go? |
| 19:25.03 | GAN900 | hasn't tried it in a while. |
| 19:25.04 | melmoth | libqt4-dev installation seems to work. |
| 19:25.34 | DrGrov | GAN900: perhaps up for testing it? Seems to be perhaps a new version. Have not tried it myself yet but I got the link from konttori |
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| 19:26.00 | GAN900 | DrGrov, is it in Extras-devel? |
| 19:27.29 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizeryeah.\ |
| 19:27.56 | DrGrov | GAN900: i can link you to it. I got a straight link to the .deb. It should work from the browser right to install when I enter the address? |
| 19:28.30 | kW_ | Hello! Has enybody experience with extract the contents of an ubifs image? |
| 19:29.19 | SpeedEvil | kW_: There is a howto on the wiki. It's not pretty - and I forget where it is - I suggest searching ubifs |
| 19:29.47 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: well, I have the howto, but unfortunately, it does not work for me |
| 19:30.33 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 19:30.48 | SpeedEvil | Well - work out wehrre it's breaking, and start reading docs |
| 19:30.55 | DrGrov | GAN900: you get my PM ? |
| 19:31.42 | DrGrov | Can I install deb packages directly with my browser if I enter the address to the .deb file? |
| 19:32.00 | MohammadAG51 | game's back |
| 19:32.00 | MohammadAG51 | yes, you can |
| 19:32.11 | MohammadAG51 | i suggest you don't install debian packages |
| 19:32.22 | kW_ | SpeedEvil: it breaks here: http://pastebin.com/ApkYBTbq |
| 19:32.35 | yuizy_ | is there any app to send sms through n900 using desktop pc |
| 19:33.00 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: it is a theme? |
| 19:33.07 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: it is the Nuvofre theme |
| 19:33.12 | MohammadAG51 | why not |
| 19:33.25 | MohammadAG51 | yuizy_, an X11 server, kinda |
| 19:33.32 | MohammadAG51 | huh |
| 19:33.35 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: so a theme i can install? it is the 1.08 version that konttori released for testing purposes |
| 19:34.02 | MohammadAG51 | sure, why wouldn't u be able to install it |
| 19:34.22 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: you said that you don't suggest me to install debian packages? |
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| 19:34.54 | MohammadAG51 | packages.debian.org |
| 19:35.00 | MohammadAG51 | those packages |
| 19:35.07 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: ah sorry, my mistake |
| 19:35.09 | yuizy_ | MohammadAG51: how would that work? |
| 19:35.24 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: i will give it a test go now then. the browser will automagically install the package for me? |
| 19:35.34 | MohammadAG51 | yuizy_, it clones your whole screen |
| 19:35.42 | MohammadAG51 | no, it will open the app manager |
| 19:35.48 | MohammadAG51 | just try it |
| 19:35.58 | DrGrov | MohammadAG51: ok, i try :) |
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| 19:41.21 | shorter | how do you make a movie that is widescreen go fullscreen? It seems like it is the correct aspect ratio to use the entire screen... |
| 19:41.33 | shorter | also, is there a package for more audio codecs? |
| 19:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | /me prints out pp9+10 of http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf and pins it to the wall, with ""Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages"" highlighted and underlined in red |
| 19:45.55 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, germany's kicking ass |
| 19:46.03 | xDaReaperx | yeah |
| 19:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | not mine |
| 19:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'm lame of laughter from reading ""Cellular Modem sends up-link timing adjustment messages"" |
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| 19:47.40 | Stskeeps | blog about it, makes you seem less condemning :P |
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| 19:56.22 | MohammadAG51 | LOLOL |
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| 19:56.27 | MohammadAG51 | LOOOOOOOOOL |
| 19:56.33 | MohammadAG51 | 4-0 |
| 19:56.35 | adeus | a slaughtering |
| 19:57.38 | konfoo | deutschland uber alles |
| 19:58.26 | shorter | are there any more audio codecs to install? |
| 19:59.06 | shorter | Selected audio codec: [ffac3] afm: ffmpeg works on linux, but not sure about the n900 |
| 19:59.12 | shorter | via mplayer |
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| 20:00.25 | shorter | also, I'm wondering why it leaves puts big bars for a 16:9 movie rather than fullscreening it |
| 20:02.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | shorter: you probably should fix the config |
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| 20:05.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the original media is a 4:3, with letterbox black bars actually inside the video content. And you try to playback that 4:3 on a 16:9 screen, which will result inn black bars left and right? |
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| 20:12.37 | alterego | I'm kinda confused, is the next device going to be an N9-01? |
| 20:14.02 | konttori | alterego: how could we know? |
| 20:14.21 | konttori | I mean, I work inside and even I don't know. |
| 20:14.55 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, it'll be an NX11 |
| 20:15.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:16.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | the net device *might* be a RX-71 |
| 20:16.26 | alterego | yeah, it was a silly question based on the N900 possibly being the N9-00 ... :) |
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| 20:16.55 | alterego | And this new naming scheme (rumour?) |
| 20:17.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | konttori: seems USSD and network control codes still not completely functional on PR1.2 |
| 20:18.10 | konttori | yeah, can't remember the exact details that were not there |
| 20:19.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't understand what's so terribly hard in allowing all possible controll codes to be sent to the operator |
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| 20:19.51 | alterego | I had this weird dream last night were there was an exploit in the N900 that allowed people to remotely execute USSD codes by sending DTMF on an active call to an N900 |
| 20:19.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | e.g I heard ##61# doesn't work |
| 20:20.46 | MohammadAG51 | 4-0, game's over |
| 20:20.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: lol, nice |
| 20:21.26 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, I dreamt I lost my USB port after DocScrutinizer51 fixed host mode |
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| 20:23.21 | konttori | lcuk: has the cool live homescreen stuff been put out ? any cool bgs? |
| 20:23.40 | konttori | Has the one Kimmo had been working on been published? |
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| 20:27.49 | DrGrov | Can the battery draining be dependent on a particular theme? |
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| 20:42.06 | lcuk | damn he left |
| 20:42.17 | lcuk | kicks n900 anyway |
| 20:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ?? o.O |
| 20:42.40 | HtheB__ | exit |
| 20:42.56 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, konttori asked a question |
| 20:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:43.02 | lcuk | but i was just looking up fromcoding |
| 20:43.14 | lcuk | and i managed to use more power than i was charging from |
| 20:43.18 | lcuk | continuously |
| 20:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's bad |
| 20:43.59 | lcuk | running the camera with fullscreen brightness and sending reams of data over the network (and i do mean reams, multiple debug lines *per pixel* |
| 20:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | I thought I heard maemo is rising a warning notifier on that? |
| 20:44.09 | lcuk | yeah i saw that hours ago |
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| 20:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | probably a warning isn't really helpful, should be a persistent flag, like battery charging icon switching color to orange, or whatever. Anyway something where you can tell the situation still persists |
| 20:45.38 | DrGrov | Can the battery draining be dependent on a particular theme? |
| 20:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | unlikely |
| 20:46.12 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: good, thanks for a quick reply :) |
| 20:46.25 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: i started using the NuvoFre theme by konttori. Damn it is so sexy |
| 20:46.44 | brik | anyone here have any experience with grabbing/ungrabbing key events on maemo? |
| 20:47.07 | lcuk | brik, you mean with a daemon or just in process whilst your app is in focus |
| 20:48.34 | DrGrov | Problems with the maemo.org repositories? Anyone got the same issue? |
| 20:48.41 | shorter | DocScrutinizer, if you're asking if the letterbox black bars are in the actual video, then no they aren't |
| 20:48.49 | shorter | but which config are you saying I could fix? |
| 20:48.56 | shorter | (sorry for the delay) |
| 20:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | shorter: sorry, just wild guessing. |
| 20:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | kinda |
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| 20:49.48 | shorter | well are there settings for aspect ratio on any video apps for the n900? |
| 20:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | if it's not a video with letterbox bars in it, then obviously it has to be an config issue |
| 20:49.55 | shorter | I enjoy your guesswork |
| 20:50.16 | shorter | I mean, which config |
| 20:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | no expert for mplayer/whatever video playback here |
| 20:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | but afaik you pass all the details to mplayer as cmdline parameters |
| 20:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe a few of them are from X or whatever |
| 20:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | DPI, aspect ratio of actual physical screen, dunno |
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| 20:54.18 | jacekowski | i think everyghing can be overriden with cmdline anyways |
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| 20:57.08 | brik | lcuk: I have a setting to enable using volume keys for changing font size, when enabling it it works fine, but when disabling it - it doesn't get disabled until the window has refreshed |
| 20:58.50 | lcuk | brik, refresh the window then? |
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| 21:00.06 | shorter | how about the codec, DocScrutinizer? |
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| 21:01.36 | shorter | hmm, I thought this had no compass functionality, maep thinks it knows which way I'm turning |
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| 21:02.45 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't |
| 21:02.52 | SpeedEvil | it's assuming you're moving forward |
| 21:02.57 | lcuk | shorter, every gps knows to a rough approximation based on gps history |
| 21:03.05 | lcuk | but its fine grained for just standing still |
| 21:03.13 | SpeedEvil | Assuming you're moving forward |
| 21:03.21 | SpeedEvil | This generally fails if you are moving under 1mph or so |
| 21:03.22 | lcuk | its not ^ |
| 21:03.28 | shorter | ah, indeed |
| 21:03.36 | shorter | so it only knows change in location |
| 21:03.39 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:03.43 | shorter | lol, I was turning around in my chair and it was changing |
| 21:03.52 | shorter | "omg it werks" |
| 21:04.06 | SpeedEvil | It probably also works if you sit still :) |
| 21:04.12 | SpeedEvil | (it changes) |
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| 21:05.19 | shorter | you know where I can get more codecs SpeedEvil? |
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| 21:05.50 | shorter | [ffac3] afm: ffmpeg - is what the video uses on my linux desktop |
| 21:05.55 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 21:11.58 | crashanddie | lolwut... the only game I don't watch there's 4 goals? |
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| 21:17.27 | PolarFox | crashanddie: Godz of sensible men are punishing you for watching football at all. |
| 21:17.53 | crashanddie | PolarFox: I'll watch anything |
| 21:18.16 | crashanddie | in order of preference: tennis, cricket, rugby, football |
| 21:18.26 | crashanddie | with tennis about a million miles in front of anything else |
| 21:19.22 | crashanddie | PolarFox: A sensible man is punishing you for believing in gods at all. |
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| 21:19.36 | lcuk | crashanddie, tennis for the game or for the bouncing boo errr balls |
| 21:20.07 | crashanddie | Well, anything that has bouncy balls has my attention (except for gay porn) |
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| 21:20.39 | crashanddie | but yeah, tennis for the game, the players, the tactics, the effect of the crowd on the players and their game, etc |
| 21:21.06 | crashanddie | it's the only game where you can see a guy go from acing each serve to not even bothering going after an easy ball because of the crowd's reactions |
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| 21:21.17 | shorter | didn't realize how many of these applications ive installed make something run in the background and eat battery |
| 21:22.10 | joga | well...the processes are probably mostly just sleeping |
| 21:22.33 | lcuk | apart from when they arent |
| 21:22.47 | lcuk | shorter, depends on what you do and how often they things monitoring wakeup |
| 21:22.51 | joga | depends of course on the prog but generally having them in the background doesn't necessarily mean they're doing anything |
| 21:23.22 | shorter | so I shouldn't disable their startup? |
| 21:23.25 | shorter | like sshd for example |
| 21:23.29 | shorter | which I'm almost always not using |
| 21:24.03 | joga | the sshd statusbar applet thingy is pretty useful |
| 21:24.19 | joga | if you occasionally want t |
| 21:24.22 | joga | *it |
| 21:24.50 | joga | well...time to crash, good night... |
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| 21:34.50 | shorter | hmm, I wonder if I can cache like 10gigs of maps for offline work |
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| 21:38.18 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 21:40.51 | mece | hello |
| 21:44.09 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping |
| 21:45.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you don't want sshd running, then maybe xinetd is the right ting for you |
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| 21:49.08 | shorter | well that app worked - now only port 53 is open |
| 21:51.05 | shorter | yall install bash3? |
| 21:51.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway I feel rather happy about sshd each time I need to quickly check sth wrt maemo when sitting on my laptop and phone is 2 rooms away. And every time the damn screen is broken :-P |
| 21:51.36 | MohammadAG | what's dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 22:02.15 | DrGrov | Anyone tested to stream some World Cup games on the N900? |
| 22:02.37 | vldcnst | whats the stream source? |
| 22:03.14 | DrGrov | I have not tested but wonder if anyone have tested |
| 22:03.36 | DrGrov | I might test tomorrow if I am not in front of the computer or tv to watch the early game between Netherlands - Denmark |
| 22:03.40 | vldcnst | I'm streaming just fine yup |
| 22:03.49 | MohammadAG | on the N900? |
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| 22:04.30 | DrGrov | yes, on the N900. Hope it works |
| 22:05.28 | MohammadAG | that was @ vldcnst |
| 22:05.46 | vldcnst | to the n900, yes |
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| 22:06.55 | MohammadAG | vldcnst, how/what stream? |
| 22:07.15 | vldcnst | MohammadAG, knots and dvb |
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| 22:07.31 | kW_ | MohammadAG: Do you know whether it is possible to enable serial-over-USB on the N900? |
| 22:08.19 | MohammadAG | serial-over-USB? |
| 22:08.29 | MohammadAG | USB networking? |
| 22:08.50 | kW_ | MohammadAG: the former, but the latter would be fine, too |
| 22:09.07 | kW_ | (I need this when nothing in the system is setup, e.g. during a script caleld by /sbin/preinit) |
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| 22:09.37 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking |
| 22:09.46 | MohammadAG | Oh |
| 22:09.55 | MohammadAG | well, there was a bootmenu mod for it |
| 22:10.27 | kW_ | (it is just for debugging why my booting modifications fail for some reason...) |
| 22:10.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | serial over usb commonly known as usb rs232 adapter? |
| 22:10.54 | MohammadAG | it's not RS232 iirc |
| 22:11.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | or the thing e.g. uBoot does |
| 22:11.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ttyUSB0 |
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| 22:12.34 | MohammadAG | http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Usb_Recovery_Mode |
| 22:12.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | usb etworking is yet another ting |
| 22:12.53 | MohammadAG | The boot menu mod works, USB networking didn't work for me, but I was quite a n00b when I tried it |
| 22:13.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, yeah, but he said it'd work equally as well for what he's doing |
| 22:13.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh, ok |
| 22:13.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | nvm, me raming... |
| 22:13.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk |
| 22:13.47 | MohammadAG | I really want the serial console thing though |
| 22:13.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | roaming even |
| 22:14.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | Ikarus: ?? any news? |
| 22:14.53 | kW_ | well... starting WLAN using WPA instead of usbnet would be overkill, wouldn't it? |
| 22:15.44 | pupnik | very interesting MohammadAG |
| 22:15.49 | MohammadAG | debootstrap's validating step is kinda fooked |
| 22:15.59 | kW_ | MohammadAG: maybe you know something different: is it possible to get a normal console on the N900 screen? |
| 22:15.59 | MohammadAG | it validated files for a wrong distro |
| 22:16.21 | MohammadAG | framebuffer, you need a custom kernel, and it won't work (at least to my knowledge) on maemo |
| 22:16.40 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora |
| 22:17.24 | kW_ | hm... I have the "power" kernel |
| 22:17.44 | MohammadAG | There's no precompiled binary for one w/ a framebuffer |
| 22:17.47 | MohammadAG | which is kinda sad |
| 22:18.05 | MohammadAG | Load average: 10.08 6.00 4.4 \o/ |
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| 22:24.55 | kW_ | Ok, I think I got it. :-) Now I have Maemo 5 PR 1.2 running on a 20GB encrypted root :-) |
| 22:25.19 | Corsac | did you do a howto? |
| 22:25.23 | mece | shit, i've uploaded 3 busted packages in a row |
| 22:25.29 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 22:25.49 | kW_ | no, I just tried to make it work :-) |
| 22:26.14 | mece | annoying when they all work nicely when built at home, but the autobuilder versions either miss deps or segfault on launch. |
| 22:26.20 | kW_ | Is it possiblet to disable watchdogs _without_ getting into R&D mode? |
| 22:26.33 | MohammadAG | yeah... no |
| 22:26.42 | MohammadAG | well, you can try the Mer way I guess |
| 22:26.55 | kW_ | MohammadAG: which is? |
| 22:28.13 | kW_ | "The keyboard backlight behind the left and right side of the keyboard flickers in response to system activity. " is quite annoying when using a phone for production, but I need to tame the watchdogs in order to have sufficient time to enter the passphrase |
| 22:28.42 | MohammadAG | kW_, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora#watchdog_other |
| 22:30.28 | pupnik | http://www.vgmpf.com/Music/SeikenDensetsu3-SFC/14%20-%20Innocent%20Sea.ogg wonderful song from SNES Seiken Densetsu soundtrack |
| 22:30.43 | kW_ | MohammadAG: thank you :-) |
| 22:31.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | kW_: patch the kernel |
| 22:32.23 | kW_ | DocScrutinizer51: for the kernel to do what? |
| 22:32.26 | MohammadAG | kW_, np |
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| 22:33.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the kernel not to wake the watchdog(+) |
| 22:33.56 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe there are simply flags to turn off hte watchdog |
| 22:34.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | also a posibility |
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| 22:35.46 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, BAD news: used QAudioInput on a N900, tried to record some audio in an interactive app. guess how much the latency was ? :) |
| 22:35.54 | MohammadAG | there are flags, he doesn't want them |
| 22:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | once a watchdog is awake it's its nature not to sleep |
| 22:35.58 | MohammadAG | 1? |
| 22:36.09 | SpeedEvil | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/ - see that kW_ |
| 22:36.09 | MohammadAG | I tamed the watchdog |
| 22:36.14 | kW_ | MohammadAG: the script depends on /usr/sbin/wd_keepalive which does not seem to be preinstalled in maemo and which I also cannot find... |
| 22:36.26 | SpeedEvil | benno2: 3 hours 24 minutes. |
| 22:36.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | benno2: 2s? |
| 22:36.29 | benno2 | 4000-5000msec latency with QAudioInput, |
| 22:36.40 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 22:36.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 22:36.45 | MohammadAG | kW_, check the mer rootfs image |
| 22:36.46 | SpeedEvil | That is quite bad. |
| 22:36.48 | benno2 | I don't know if I should laugh or cry |
| 22:36.49 | kW_ | MohammadAG: well, the flags are fine, but I do not want the need for R&D-mode |
| 22:37.00 | SpeedEvil | checks that. |
| 22:37.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | benno2: see the 'policy enforcing engine" in the paper you dug out |
| 22:37.38 | benno2 | how is a developer supposed to write an app for the N900 if by using the official Qt API getting those bad values |
| 22:38.16 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer51, but VOIP apps achieve lower latencies, so there must be a way. any idea which app I should look at ? (open source) |
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| 22:39.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | also you can ccess low level alsa soundcard drive directly, on the expense of screwing PA |
| 22:40.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 22:40.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | not on maemo, sorry |
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| 22:40.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | libtelepathy? nope |
| 22:40.26 | SpeedEvil | With arecord, it's more like 0.25s |
| 22:40.47 | SpeedEvil | record -f cdr test.wav -t raw -V stereo |
| 22:40.59 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 22:41.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | check the paper, ther,s a 'voice sink' |
| 22:42.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | and that policy engine |
| 22:42.25 | SpeedEvil | It's more like 0.15 (I forgot ssh latency) |
| 22:42.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | which is the modern complement of alsactl |
| 22:43.02 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer51, I would like to write an app which is system friendly and is interactive. I found this document, any idea if one needs to use libplayback, OHM,PEP ? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Audio_Subsystem |
| 22:43.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry Imm ircing in a pub right now. no way to check that |
| 22:43.52 | pupnik | benno2: nice graphic |
| 22:44.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | ttyl |
| 22:45.06 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, that 0.2sec would be much better, wondering what arecord does differently since QAudioInput too uses ALSA |
| 22:45.22 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 22:45.40 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, the question is what device is arecord using in your case ? if you launch it with -v (verbose) it should show it |
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| 22:46.56 | kW_ | MohammadAG: maybe there is a possibility to simply increase the watchout timeout interval (e.g. to 3 minutes)? |
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| 22:47.46 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1882530 benno2 |
| 22:48.04 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 22:48.10 | SpeedEvil | pokes lcuk |
| 22:48.19 | SpeedEvil | audio input - delay latency? |
| 22:48.24 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, could you use a unix pipe to test the input output latency ? mkfifo /tmp/fifo , and then piping the raw audio to that pipe and aplay reading from it so you should hear what you say in real time (with a short delay) |
| 22:48.28 | SpeedEvil | points at benno2's question above |
| 22:48.56 | MohammadAG | kW_, not sure about that, but you probably need a custom kernel |
| 22:50.14 | kW_ | it looks like http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing4/mer-armel-generic-image-v0.17testing4.tar.gz does not contain a Mer image anymore... |
| 22:51.14 | pupnik | benno2: can do that with gstreamer from commandline |
| 22:51.27 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, thanks for the info. I see period_size 5512, buffer_size 22050, quite a lot ! |
| 22:51.50 | benno2 | pupnik, if you can try it please (no N900 handy ATM) |
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| 22:52.23 | pupnik | also benno2 to see what alsa is using for buffer.. |
| 22:52.26 | pupnik | cat /proc/asound/RX51/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params |
| 22:53.08 | SpeedEvil | ben: not working for some reason |
| 22:53.13 | SpeedEvil | ben: that's half a second |
| 22:53.15 | pupnik | some more notes http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=442596&postcount=6 |
| 22:53.23 | SpeedEvil | benno2: err - 1/4 |
| 22:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: PIPE?? "arecord|aplay" |
| 22:53.36 | benno2 | SpeedEvill what do you get with: cat /proc/asound/RX51/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params |
| 22:53.40 | SpeedEvil | benno2: which is about what I 'measured' - by banging on the mic and looking for the peak |
| 22:53.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: doesn't want to know |
| 22:54.06 | SpeedEvil | 'closed' |
| 22:54.44 | crashanddie | BALLS |
| 22:55.00 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, I honestly did not try to combine arecord and aplay to act as a fullduplex audio system, pipe | might work |
| 22:55.01 | crashanddie | I fucking hate it when the browser crashes about 2/3 in a long post |
| 22:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that for sure isn't the buffer used by alsa<->PCM PA plugin |
| 22:55.25 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1882534 |
| 22:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: works great even over ssh :-P |
| 22:55.50 | mece | crrrraaaap! |
| 22:56.02 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: that is the buffer alsa uses when talking to the hw subsystem, at the end of the chain |
| 22:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | used that to copy mic of Freerunner to a laptop |
| 22:56.11 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: There exist form history things that save that |
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| 22:56.18 | pupnik | in the general case it is set by PA |
| 22:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: axactly |
| 22:56.38 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: nha, it's blogger, so it autosaves every twenty nano seconds |
| 22:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | pico |
| 22:57.07 | kW_ | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.16/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.16.tar.gz is a Mer image, but it does not contain "/usr/sbin/wd_keepalive"... |
| 22:58.12 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, thanks. that looks like the real hw device, buffer size 1920, so 2 channels, 16bit = 480samples / 48000 = 10msec |
| 22:58.58 | benno2 | the question is can an user space app access the real alsa device and not the one emulated by pulse audio |
| 22:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: should work, if not then you got problems with arecord input device or aplay output device. For arecord I wouldn't be astonished to find 'default' doesn't work for record source |
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| 22:59.28 | SpeedEvil | It was working - I was banging on the mic - and the vumeter was bouncing |
| 22:59.34 | SpeedEvil | However - playing audio wasn't |
| 22:59.38 | benno2 | I mean without killing pulse audio. the app should be system friendly and not requiring the user to do something special like killing and restarting daemons |
| 22:59.39 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:00.24 | SpeedEvil | wants to at some point work out how idle the device can be when playing audio. |
| 23:00.43 | SpeedEvil | I want to know if the audio 'card' can simply take a 10 meg buffer, and play it |
| 23:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: (can a user...) can, if you accept the limitations as mentioned above. Might freak PA |
| 23:01.46 | SpeedEvil | funky |
| 23:01.54 | SpeedEvil | wonders how he's totally killed sound |
| 23:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | you tried to playback tru alsa? |
| 23:02.31 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-06-14 00:59:35] <SpeedEvil> However - playing audio wasn't |
| 23:03.39 | SpeedEvil | Ok - somehow the audio has gotten wedged into going to the speakers |
| 23:03.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: just using aplay/record |
| 23:03.55 | SpeedEvil | s/speakers/phones/ |
| 23:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 23:03.57 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, I can only pray that Meego will clear this mess, since other companies like intel are involved perhaps they dumped some of this nonsense. looks nice on paper but works crappy in practice |
| 23:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it's crap |
| 23:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Aha |
| 23:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | the concept is flawed |
| 23:04.43 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that works now |
| 23:04.51 | SpeedEvil | I get wierd delayed feedback noises |
| 23:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | what works now |
| 23:04.56 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, verdict ? |
| 23:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | nice :-D |
| 23:05.05 | SpeedEvil | arecord|aplay |
| 23:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 23:05.13 | SpeedEvil | It sounds like a 1960s dr who |
| 23:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | usually has a rtt ~500ms |
| 23:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | or less |
| 23:05.30 | SpeedEvil | around a second |
| 23:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 23:05.53 | SpeedEvil | that is - one tap generates a ~1hz cycle |
| 23:05.55 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, keep in mind that unix pipes introduce some delay too, probably the pipe is a few kbytes so it might still not be the best the system can achieve |
| 23:06.08 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 23:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | arecord -D hw:0.0 |
| 23:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | or 0.1 |
| 23:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | or 1.0 |
| 23:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 23:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene you can advice arecord/play to use arbitrary buffer sizes etc |
| 23:08.02 | mece | why autobuilder, Why are you killing my wesnoth?! |
| 23:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | you can config almost everything, as aplay also is the test app for alsa |
| 23:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | the reference implementation |
| 23:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | the only thing not used in aplay/record is buffer skipping as used in twinkle, and that's why twinkle fails with PA's vrappy ALSA compatibility plugin - they never even cared about implemeting that call in a semi decent way |
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| 23:11.39 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, so do I understand it correctly that the N900 provides a real ALSA hw interface (10msec latency hw buf), pulse audio hijacks it and provides the crappy high latency alsa device to user space apps ? still wondering how voip apps like skype get their work done |
| 23:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | maybe skipping wasn't the correct term |
| 23:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: obviously, yes. exactly |
| 23:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: look at p15 of the unbelievable paper |
| 23:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | ""ALSA hw:0 \n the reular ALSA device"" |
| 23:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | regular even |
| 23:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | which is ALSA sink/source in the PA domain |
| 23:14.27 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, ALSA provides a software mixing layer which can be sample accurate, wondering why they did not use it and let the app developer the possibility open to use hw alsa directly |
| 23:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | then you got a voice sink/source, and a music sink |
| 23:15.05 | MohammadAG | Downloading 400MBs on the N900's gonna take time |
| 23:15.10 | MohammadAG | even worse is unpacking them |
| 23:15.17 | SpeedEvil | There are constraints. |
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| 23:15.22 | MohammadAG | disables PSM |
| 23:15.29 | SpeedEvil | For example - you have to do the filtering also |
| 23:15.29 | MohammadAG | would that even help? |
| 23:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: dunno. Somebody every now and then claims dmix is buggy, but I always found it works like a charm and PA is buggy like dogshit |
| 23:15.42 | SpeedEvil | and other stuff that's not in alsa |
| 23:15.48 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 23:15.49 | benno2 | agrees with DocScrutinizer |
| 23:16.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: With me - PSM does not decrease download speed. |
| 23:16.25 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It does affect some interactive stuff like X, or ssh |
| 23:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: filtering? not in ALSA? c'mon |
| 23:17.04 | SpeedEvil | It is? |
| 23:17.09 | SpeedEvil | oh well. |
| 23:17.23 | MohammadAG | Oh, so it wouldn't help :/ |
| 23:17.32 | MohammadAG | wants a quad core armel cpu |
| 23:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | there's LADSPA, you can't do the things that can't be done with LADSPA |
| 23:18.08 | MohammadAG | 23 minutes, that's not bad |
| 23:18.08 | benno2 | is there an open source VOIP app which works well on the N900 ? (in order to look at the code what's the magic key to achieve latencies that are not measured in centuries) |
| 23:18.12 | SpeedEvil | echo cancellation? |
| 23:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also notice they developed their own proprietary shit for PA. So they could have done for ALSA |
| 23:18.53 | SpeedEvil | Indeed |
| 23:19.16 | SpeedEvil | Or they could have put pulseaudio in kernel. |
| 23:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG!! |
| 23:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | kernel: tainted |
| 23:19.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | I mean there's a *reason* why PA uses the ALSA soundcard kernel drivers |
| 23:21.25 | benno2 | SpeedEvil, no need for audio stuff which resides in the kernel. for example the jackd sound daemon is an userspace app. it uses alsa and runs with RT scheduling, kernel must be compiled with real time support. it can easily achieve single digit latencies without dropouts, under high load and several active apps. |
| 23:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | they're just not capable to come up with anything on par |
| 23:22.09 | SpeedEvil | benno2: Things aren't always one sanely :/ |
| 23:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | but WHO NEEDS THAT? |
| 23:22.22 | SpeedEvil | s/on/don/ |
| 23:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | maybe musiciians trying to run realtime effects on their computer. Then a 10ms latency might be too much |
| 23:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | though even musicians seem to tolerate 50ms |
| 23:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, that's 15m distance. So what? |
| 23:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | ok, 16.5 |
| 23:24.19 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, it depends, sound travels 1meter in 3msec, so 10msec = loudspeaker at 3 meters distance. as said jack is capable of 3-5msec latency (input to output), and since most dsp based hw effects do use buffering too I don't think they do considerably better. |
| 23:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | at a velocity of 330m/s |
| 23:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | and that poor soul of sw engineer worries about 5ms latency on GSM - MUHAHAHA |
| 23:27.15 | Mikkoviiva | buah |
| 23:27.20 | kW_ | How do I actually _disable_ R&D mode? It looks like when booting, the USB logo does not appear anymore.. |
| 23:27.40 | SpeedEvil | There is probably a nokia spec somewhere that says 'thou shalt keep under xms delay' |
| 23:27.44 | benno2 | IMHO next time nokia should better research what kind of architectures exist (eg audio) on linux and discuss that with the project devs rather than hire a local intern and then based on his findings make a device out of it. doomed to fail |
| 23:27.50 | Martiini | professional soundcards advertise latencies below 6 sec |
| 23:27.51 | SpeedEvil | Written in the days of the 3310 |
| 23:28.12 | MohammadAG | kW_, R&D mode doesn't have to do with the USB icon |
| 23:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the problem is there isn't. It just says "keep latency as low as possible" |
| 23:28.20 | MohammadAG | anyways, flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode |
| 23:28.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: how do you know? |
| 23:28.51 | kW_ | MohammadAG: well, this was my problem, the USB cable was simply not connected... |
| 23:29.23 | MohammadAG | >.< |
| 23:29.33 | Martiini | any development of Android take place here much`? |
| 23:29.39 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 23:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf page 9 ""Cellular Call Latency Challenge"" |
| 23:29.47 | SpeedEvil | nope Martiini. |
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| 23:30.12 | SpeedEvil | Martiini: I suggest you try other channels - maybe ##politics for android development. |
| 23:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: this together with the way the rest of this paper is written makes it obvious what requirement spec the poor sw eng got |
| 23:30.53 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:31.15 | Martiini | Majority of software being written on Earth .. is just crap ... KDE, Gnome, Windows .. iphone, symbian ... |
| 23:31.26 | Martiini | + you get PC games ... |
| 23:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: "challenge" == 'the paper where my boss has written down what I need to do' |
| 23:32.05 | Martiini | If only we would get simple things ... like a decent IRC app for linux phones .. etc |
| 23:32.50 | SpeedEvil | xchat works OK. |
| 23:32.59 | Martiini | I mean .. You get 100 000 applications for iPhone .. how about a decent IRC application .. with contact saving support .. etc .. no |
| 23:33.06 | SpeedEvil | but it's hardly for phones. |
| 23:33.23 | marmoute | Martiini: irsii ? |
| 23:33.24 | FredrIQ | martiini |
| 23:33.30 | Martiini | xchat is not good enough .. quadrapassel is much better if you talk IRC clients |
| 23:33.43 | FredrIQ | what's wrong with xchat |
| 23:33.48 | SpeedEvil | wha'ts wrong with... |
| 23:33.50 | SpeedEvil | what he said |
| 23:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | contact saving - in IRC?? |
| 23:34.18 | FredrIQ | you also have kvirc if you really don't want to use xchat but it isn't customized for 800x480 |
| 23:34.29 | SpeedEvil | Also pidgin |
| 23:34.34 | FredrIQ | and irssi |
| 23:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | fsck pidgin |
| 23:34.51 | Martiini | so .. to get features for IRC on a phone .. one needs xchat, pidgin, irssi ... |
| 23:35.03 | FredrIQ | .. |
| 23:35.07 | ali1234 | i like the way pidgin makes irc look like any other protocol and wish that someone would make a half decent plugin for telepathy |
| 23:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | only nice feature of pidgin is softscrolling. And I'm not sure I've seen this on maemo |
| 23:35.35 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: also channel aliases. |
| 23:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 23:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | granted |
| 23:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | chan aliases would be mad useful |
| 23:36.05 | FredrIQ | martiini |
| 23:36.15 | FredrIQ | what do you miss with xchat? |
| 23:36.19 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: My pidgin setup is tabs down the righthand side, with the letters at 90 degrees - 'HOS' 'MD' 'ED' 'OSM' 'TP' ... |
| 23:36.24 | Martiini | Android may become great if they get it right |
| 23:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | nevr knew pidgin can do that. Maybe that relates to the <60min I was willing to cope with it |
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| 23:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | and that's been on OM, not on maemo |
| 23:37.50 | MohammadAG | Android is kinda broken by design |
| 23:37.54 | MohammadAG | broken linux that is |
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| 23:38.02 | pigeon | excuse my ignorance, but what is softscrolling? |
| 23:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 23:38.21 | MohammadAG | the opposite of hardscrolling of course |
| 23:38.27 | Martiini | maemo/meego is based on fedora, .. correct ?? |
| 23:38.29 | SpeedEvil | Instead of jumping from line to line, it scrolls smoothly |
| 23:38.33 | SpeedEvil | or it can |
| 23:38.33 | MohammadAG | No |
| 23:38.51 | MohammadAG | Maemo is based on Debian, MeeGo is based on RPM (didn't this originate on Red Hat?) |
| 23:38.54 | pigeon | that would be smooth scrolling? no? |
| 23:39.04 | FredrIQ | martiini, maemo were developed from debian but nowdays it isn't compatible with it anymore |
| 23:39.09 | FredrIQ | pigeon, same thing |
| 23:39.16 | pigeon | ok then |
| 23:39.43 | Martiini | how about puppy linux .. anyone tried puppy ... super-efficient .. tiny , fast |
| 23:39.53 | SpeedEvil | It smoothly scrolls up when a new line appears, with the new line coming into view slowly |
| 23:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | FredrIQ: please don't torture my brain with such fuzzy stereotypes |
| 23:40.15 | MohammadAG | currently installing Ubuntu 9.10 |
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| 23:40.38 | FredrIQ | DocScrutinizer, eh? |
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| 23:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | FredrIQ: what for god's sake means ""maemo were developed from debian but nowdays it isn't compatible with it anymore"" |
| 23:41.37 | teilzeitstudent | Is the Phonet kernel stuff related to maemo (n900 anyway)? Just updating my kernel and I was wondering if I need that to get usb network running. |
| 23:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | that's BS |
| 23:41.45 | FIQ | well, go figure out |
| 23:42.01 | SpeedEvil | phonet is required to get the phone to work |
| 23:42.02 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 23:42.26 | teilzeitstudent | "aiui"? |
| 23:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf aiui |
| 23:42.40 | teilzeitstudent | ah :p |
| 23:43.10 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 23:43.26 | MohammadAG | ~wtf roflmaowpimp |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | phonet are the modem drivers (the short version of the story) |
| 23:43.31 | MohammadAG | haha |
| 23:43.40 | teilzeitstudent | So.. phonet is required on the device, but not on the host? |
| 23:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:43.57 | marmoute | ~wtf tla |
| 23:44.03 | teilzeitstudent | Alright thanks |
| 23:44.04 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, going to post some of my findings and problems with Qt audio on talk.maemo, let's see if one can suggest how to lower the latency. which forum should I chose ? |
| 23:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | and it's needed for access to the GSM modem only |
| 23:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf etla |
| 23:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: !tmo? |
| 23:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: honestly, tmo is the maemo badlands. If I had to guess, I'd opt for "n900" |
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| 23:46.53 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, I too tought to chose n900. I will report this as a BUG. a big BUG IMHO :) will it ignite a flameware ? :) |
| 23:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | just everything ignites a flamewar on tmo |
| 23:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | some of the users have multiple personalities so they can troll with themselves ;-P |
| 23:48.48 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, I will try to be polite but describe the facts as they are, that Qt Audio in this form is useless for interactive apps. |
| 23:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure, you won't get a single bit of useful info iut of tmo, without sophisticated stuff like Kayman filters etc |
| 23:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: all honest I'd suggest you better open a ticket |
| 23:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | or post to devel ML |
| 23:50.55 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer: you mean better to post to maemo devel list ? (I'm subscribed) |
| 23:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | nobody of the people you want to address is bothering to read tmo, I guess |
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| 23:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: yes, post to devel mailing list |
| 23:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | and open a ticket on bugtracker |
| 23:51.43 | benno2 | DocScrutinizer, yeah might make sense what you said, too much noise. so better the ML or open a bug report ? (what's the URL of maemo's bugtracker) |
| 23:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | err, mompls |
| 23:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 23:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | bug #222 |
| 23:52.51 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222 List of Maemo icons is missing |
| 23:56.26 | kW_ | MohammadAG: the wd_keepalive does not work :-( |
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| 23:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | benno2: I'd suggest you open the ticket, then post to ML and refer to it |