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00:07.12DocScrutinizerznc anybody?
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00:20.12woglindejo
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00:22.32DocScrutinizerwoglinde: [464] Invalid Password Invalid
00:23.01DocScrutinizerwhat is the correct way to connect to znc?
00:23.33woglindewhat?
00:23.36woglindewhat is zbc?
00:23.42woglindeups znc
00:24.09DocScrutinizerooh, thought your "jo" was an answer to my query
00:24.17woglindelol
00:24.19woglindeno
00:24.35woglindewhich query btw.?
00:24.43DocScrutinizer[2010-06-12 02:07:11] <DocScrutinizer> znc anybody?
00:25.08woglindewasnt here at this stage
00:25.24DocScrutinizernvm
00:26.09DocScrutinizer(irc bouncer - just if you're curious)
00:26.15woglindehm oh
00:26.23woglindeI dont use the stuff
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01:19.01flailingmonkeyhi
01:19.28DocScrutinizer51lo
01:21.38DocScrutinizer51flailingmonkey: wazzup?
01:23.44DocScrutinizer51~status
01:23.44infobotSince Fri Jun 11 13:08:26 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 50 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 38 commands.  I have been awake for 12h 15m 18s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids.  I'm using about 19464 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1316.63/75.18 child 0.13/0.09
01:24.46flailingmonkeygoing to make a wiki page to collect some possible ways we might package and release updates to software that falls under the "firmware" releases
01:25.04flailingmonkeydid mece get that filemanager package working?
01:26.25DocScrutinizer51dunno
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01:31.19Termanagood morning
01:39.23DocScrutinizer51mo
01:42.28CutMeOwnThroatno morons at all?
01:42.54DocScrutinizermoron-ing
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02:26.19sciboticHi, I've been out of the loop for a while and I was wondering what the recommended firmware for n800 users is?
02:26.46sciboticI got a mobile phone I want to tether too and I figure I might as well take advantage of the larger screen for browsing.
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02:31.38sciboticAlso most stable browser?
02:32.40Milhousehttp://maemo.org/news/ broken?
02:32.49Milhouseblank page here in FF and Opera
02:32.59vldcnstMilhouse: negative
02:33.10Milhousehow odd
02:33.48luke-jrscibotic: N800 is pretty dead IMO :)
02:34.02luke-jrscibotic: but Gentoo does run on it
02:34.09Milhousejust tried it on FF Ubuntu (diff machine, obviously) and same - what is my ISP up to...
02:34.55luke-jrMilhouse: Maemo is dead, too
02:35.04Milhouseok, so you have problems too?
02:35.18luke-jrit's a blank page
02:35.24luke-jrwhat more do you want from a dead project?
02:35.29luke-jrespecially a news URI
02:35.33Milhousei can access maemo.org, for me it's only maemo.org/news/ that is blank
02:36.02luke-jrnews implies new
02:36.09Milhousewell maybe a blank news page is an accurate reflection... :)
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02:46.09sciboticluke-jr, So all about the MeeGo train then?
02:46.13sciboticaboard*
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03:10.34GAN900Ugh, lost data connection again.
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03:12.10DocScrutinizerGAN900: moinmoin
03:12.39DocScrutinizerGAN900: actually you missed not a bit
03:13.11GAN900Since about 4 hours ago?
03:13.12DocScrutinizerGAN900: seems all the world switched focus to some silly round object
03:13.29GAN900Baseball? :D
03:13.51DocScrutinizer~50 lines since 4h ago
03:14.02GAN900watched the Marlins beat the Ray 14-9 thanks to our Ace pitcher having a . . . rough night.
03:14.07GAN900Yeesh
03:14.16DocScrutinizeranyway there's livelogs ;-D
03:14.21GAN900Any reply on the tracking info?
03:14.37DocScrutinizernope
03:14.45GAN900There's scrollback on my Mac Pro in the studio, I'm just too lazy to go out there.
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03:15.30DocScrutinizermanaged to crank up znc
03:15.52shorterhey
03:15.56DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer2
03:16.09shorteris it possible to plug a usb flash drive into a n900?
03:16.20DocScrutinizerlol
03:16.21shorterlike flash drive -> conversion cable -> small usb port
03:16.41shorterthat would be mad l33t
03:17.19DocScrutinizerhttp://h-e-n.garage.maemo.org  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696115#post696115
03:17.28SpeedEvilshorter: not yet
03:17.40DocScrutinizerbut soonish
03:18.13DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227
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03:19.24shorterwow, impressive
03:20.17DocScrutinizeryeah - lol
03:20.39shorterI wonder if a usb mouse could wor
03:20.40shorterk
03:20.45DocScrutinizersure
03:21.05DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51 said it has issues with resolution
03:21.29DocScrutinizerfrom one end of screen to the other in 2mm
03:21.53DocScrutinizerprobably needs some tweaking in xorg.conf [input]
03:22.51shorterthe maemo community is great
03:23.19shorterI guess that's FOSS!
03:23.35DocScrutinizerdo you think I'd do anything else?
03:24.33shorterwith... your time/
03:25.01shorterindeed, we are just organisms falling into our respective niches
03:25.58DocScrutinizerwell, I'm notorious for pushing FOSS, so why would I do different when developing hostmode?
03:31.17DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: aiui it should be trivial to extract a bzImage from a .deb, and flash that via usb?
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03:34.31luke-jrscibotic: nah
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03:40.30SpeedEvilfairly, yes
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03:53.33sciboticDoes anyone here know what a "chunk" is when using GPRS/Mobile internet?
03:54.27SpeedEvilin what context?
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03:55.58sciboticBilling, they say they bill per a 20kb chunk. Which usually means that if you only down 1kb, it's still going to be charge as 20kb down.
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03:56.57sciboticMy question is, if I initiate the connection and I download 1kb, then download another 2kb a few seconds later, is that still part of the same "chunk" or are they seperate 20kb chunks?
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03:57.20SpeedEvilIt varies per operator
03:57.27sciboticWell fuck. :/
03:57.46sciboticIt's an incredibly vague term to me, so I'm not sure how to interpret it.
04:03.25Arkenoisome even count every several minutes, so if you have almost no data flow, you are still being billed for several "minimal chunks"
04:06.13SpeedEvilPhone them.
04:06.14SpeedEvilAsk.
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04:20.02sciboticCan't phone them, they have a distinct lack of customer support.
04:20.42sciboticOne of those super cheap garage companies that are selling what the carrier offers at as close to wholesale as they can make a profit off by keeping their running costs ridiculously low.
04:22.33shorterwhy doesn't the n900 re-orientate the screen like many other phones when turned upright/sideways?
04:22.40shorterlike in firefox?
04:22.41SpeedEvilSome apps do.
04:22.44shorterfennec*
04:23.13shorteroh, I haven't used many yet I guess - I just mean the default ones
04:23.46shorterjust expected it to be standard for most things
04:24.09shorteris it difficult/are they waiting to add more support for accelerometer integration?
04:25.25SpeedEvilIt's a UI thing more. Writing two UIs
04:27.35microlithis there an incompatibility between PyQt and pynotify?
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04:36.34Macerblah
04:40.27DocAvalancheexactly
04:42.43sciboticThank you for the help, I'll probably monitor my usage closely for the first week and see what turns up on the bill.
04:44.25pupnikgrowing food with n900 LEDs?
04:44.44DocAvalanchehehe
04:45.01DocAvalanchen8
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04:51.30Macerhahaha
04:52.06Macerpupnik: i could see it now.. someone growing marijuana with an n900
04:52.26Macer"Is there an iphone app for that bitch?!"
04:53.26pupnikMacer: yes flashlight app
04:53.34Macerhaha
04:53.47Macerpupnik: does iphone have an led cam flash?
04:53.59pupnikhmm
04:54.08Maceris that the new feature added to this years model?
04:54.13Macerlike the compass?
04:54.16Macer:)
04:55.06Maceri loved the commercial "now with video"
04:55.13Macerwelcome to 1999
04:55.38Macerblah.. just something for the cattle
04:56.22SpeedEvilhttp://qkwv.com/zombeef.jpg Macer
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05:00.26Macerhahahaha
05:00.30Macerlooks more like
05:00.35Macercows of the damned
05:00.41Macerthan zombies
05:00.45Macerbbl
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05:52.36RST38h<yawn>
05:52.55ds3hmmmm
05:54.20luke-jrknow any cheap (under $100) netbooks?
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05:54.54ds3try punching holes in a copy of websters? :D
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05:55.06luke-jrds3: wtf?
05:55.32ds3the holes should turn that book into a net
05:55.55luke-jr...
05:57.33pupnikgpodder on n810 takes most cpu just to download a file
05:59.03pupnikok that isnt true, but it is over 25 pct
05:59.05ds3btw, anyone seen weirdness where the N900 thinks it is still connected to a WiFi AP even though the WiFi is miles away and it has been hours?
05:59.18Stskeepsyes, but did you upgrade to pr1.2?
05:59.28luke-jrStskeeps: any ideas? :P
05:59.31ds3not yet, no time to backup 16G
05:59.51ds3and no time to figure out how to work the flasher with the N900
05:59.52Stskeepsluke-jr: ben nanonote?
05:59.54Stskeepsor something
06:00.05ds3now if there was a really a peice meal OTA version....
06:00.06luke-jrStskeeps: something that can browse the net and do video chat :p
06:00.15Stskeepsluke-jr: n900 ;p
06:00.21luke-jrStskeeps: that's far far from cheap
06:02.17Stskeepsluke-jr: considering the equipment in it .. it's fairly cheap :P
06:02.40luke-jrnot really... <.<
06:02.45luke-jrand it's not a netbook in any case
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06:03.49ds3does PR1.2 also solve the battery life issue?
06:04.09Stskeepsluke-jr: i use it same way i'd use a netbook :P
06:04.17Stskeepsreplaces my laptop quite often
06:04.31luke-jrStskeeps: this is to be a lone computer
06:04.49luke-jras in, no other computers for the person to use :p
06:05.19ds3if it wasn't for the crappy USB setup, the N900 works fine as a lone computer
06:05.36luke-jrds3: you forget super-tiny screen and keyboard
06:06.06ds3luke-jr: that doesn't bother me
06:06.37ds3about the only complaint with they screen is the smudging
06:06.51ds3and the TV out takes care of the situations where I need to share stuf
06:06.53ds3stuff
06:07.19luke-jrheh, TV out is only useful with a TV/monitor ;)
06:07.29ds3or a projector
06:07.35luke-jrsure, but that's even MORE expensive
06:07.41pupnikhdmi out will be a sweet upgrade
06:07.44ds3eh?
06:07.51ds3I paid $80 for mine
06:07.57pupnikbut tv out is nice
06:08.01Surfads3, and cheapest tv costs how much?
06:08.03luke-jr$80 for a projector? what?
06:08.11Surfads3, 1$?
06:08.15luke-jrlast I checked they were thousands
06:08.17ds3yes, $80 for a battery powered one
06:08.22luke-jrand hundreds for bulbs
06:08.31ds3Surfa: too heavy
06:08.44Surfads3, i thought price was the question here
06:09.04ds3I want portability and the N900 gives me that... if only it did Host + charging like the N800...
06:10.00ds3the N900 is fast enough to play DVDs if it can only have a DVD drive hookedup
06:10.29DocAvalancheds3: stay cool man
06:10.40DocAvalanchehostmode with charging coming soon
06:10.44luke-jryeah, the question is a netbook for under $100, not a display for under $100 :p
06:10.56ds3DocAvalanche: but no charging
06:11.03DocAvalancheuh?
06:11.08ds3I saw sarahn's patches
06:11.15DocAvalancheso?
06:11.42ds3it has a side effect of preventing charging
06:12.06DocAvalancheheh, nice find. Guess why we rework the kernel
06:12.44ds3just one more jack is all it would have cost to get OTG + charging
06:13.10DocAvalancheWE DON'T NEED additional jack
06:13.25DocAvalanchehostmode with charging coming soon
06:13.37DocAvalanchewhich part of that didn't get thru?
06:13.42ds3okay
06:13.53ds3deliver it =)
06:20.09RST38h"The Pentagon is desperately seeking the 'cooperation' of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, in order to stop him from releasing over 250,000 pages of confidential foreign policy documents."
06:20.20RST38hGets better daily
06:20.44luke-jr...
06:20.52luke-jrshouldn't foreign policy be public anyway?
06:21.02Surfano?
06:21.05RST38hit should be foreign.
06:21.08luke-jrhaha
06:21.13luke-jrwhere does Julian live?
06:21.17luke-jrthey don't have copyright there?
06:21.40SurfaJulian Paul Assange is an Australian journalist
06:21.44Surfa...
06:21.47pupnikhe is still locked-up isnt he?
06:21.57pupnikoh founder
06:21.58RST38hHe lives in .AU. Not a good place to live in THIS kind of sense
06:22.21luke-jrso why doesn't the Pentagon just threaten him with copyright infringement?
06:22.39RST38hBecause this is not a copyight infringeent?
06:22.43luke-jrno?
06:22.46luke-jrhow isn't it?
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06:22.58pupnikjust listening to an interview with Daniel Ellsberg on the subject
06:23.01luke-jrhe's copying their documents...
06:23.06RST38hBut given that he is in AU, they will find something to blame him for
06:23.47RST38hEither he has not paid taxes, or got child pornography, or something else. Never been a problem.
06:23.56pupnikhttp://antiwar.com/radio/2010/06/09/daniel-ellsberg-8/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AntiwarRadio+%28Antiwar+Radio%29
06:24.06luke-jrRST38h: why isn't it copyright infringemnet?
06:24.38RST38hluke: Because copyright infringement has to be proven?
06:24.49luke-jr...
06:25.02pupnikgovt doesnt have copyright on war crimes
06:25.04RST38hAnd that requires examination of the documents? And attribution to a copyright holder?
06:25.04Surfaeven that it was.. copyright infringements may not have enough scale of punishment for this :)
06:25.36luke-jrif he publishes Pentagon documents, that he admits are the Pentagon's documents, and he admits he doesn't have permission to publish them, hasn't he admitted to copyright infringement?
06:25.37pupnikthere is no word for 'whistleblower' in german...
06:25.51RST38hisn't sure why luke-jr is so bent on copyright infringements
06:26.05luke-jrRST38h: it's very clearly copyright infringement...
06:26.16Surfatotally unrelated this whole copyright discussion
06:26.17Stskeepscan a state claim copyright on their documents? ;)
06:26.20RST38hThere are, of course, other methods to silence a whistleblower. Way more reliable.
06:26.31luke-jrStskeeps: I suppose that would be a good question XD
06:27.25RST38hpupnik: I am sure Germans never leak documents. That, after all, would violate a law!
06:28.11pupnikStskeeps: not in usa, afaik
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07:24.32Termana<luke-jr> they don't have copyright there? <-- you have to be joking right. We're about to have mandatory internet filters and you have to ask weather we have copyright :P
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07:36.49xkr47-DIhi, can somebody tell me what they have in /var/run/resolv.conf ?
07:36.57xkr47-DIis it "nameserver 127.0.0.1" or something else ?
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07:49.21pupnikwhat OS
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07:52.06MohammadAG51-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           21 Feb 22 09:42 /etc/resolv.conf
07:52.15MohammadAG51it's a file
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08:23.31RST38bissomebody please /msg rst38bis test
08:24.11jaskatest messaged
08:24.41dr34manybody got a working fish module yet for xchat on n900 ?
08:25.39cure`dunno, but it could use some plugins indeed
08:26.31cure`media playing/sysinfo, the usual, looked around a few days ago but couldn't find anything
08:27.29dr34myup maybe somebody can compile it for maemo ;p
08:29.42cure`i couldn't even find much linux python xchat stuff for anything
08:29.53cure`it must be out there tho
08:32.50pupnikirssi could use an audible bell :(
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08:51.28Stskeepswow, i'm seeing actual constructive discussion on tmo
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09:39.55redeemanhello, can someone tell me which file holds the configuration of the wifi stuff? i suspect something has gone wrong there
09:40.59FauxFauxIt's in gconf.  Ho ho ho.
09:41.29redeemandamn gconf
09:42.37MohammadAG51lol
09:42.56redeemanwell i really dont like it :)
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09:43.20FauxFauxgconf the denier of information services.
09:44.07MohammadAG51neither do I
09:45.21redeemanah well it seems to not be the n900 that fucks, seems my laptop cant find it either now :)
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10:05.07kirmaon http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor : "The main camera is a ET8EK8 by Toshiba. The datasheet for this part is not publicly available." ... and: http://www.gitorious.org/omap3camera/pages/Home : "The et8ek8 sensor driver datasheet is available at http://retiisi.dyndns.org/~sakke/foo/SMIA95_AF_camera%20module_APL_090511.doc" ... might someone update the wiki, as I can't?
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10:06.16aksheyHi, I heard that recent maemo5 update has added support for front camera also. Is that true?
10:06.37kirmadepends on your definition of "support"
10:06.40MohammadAG51Skype and Google Video
10:06.53MohammadAG51why would they lie about it :P
10:06.55kirmait works. tried with gstreamer just half an hour ago.
10:07.07kirmabut sensitivity us awful
10:07.09kirmais
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10:10.00aksheykirma and MohammadAG51,  How can I update it? I can't see any updates from application manager. I am using the firmware for India.
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10:11.04lcukx200akshey, the linux drivers for the camera have been there from day1
10:11.33MohammadAG51akshey, no idea about Indian fw
10:11.41MohammadAG51but I thought that doesn't have skype
10:11.55MohammadAG51aptitude is a b**** to compile
10:12.07lcukx200mornin moh
10:12.19MohammadAG51morning lcukx200
10:12.21MiXu-There isn't an application that you could use to operate the front camera for pictures etc. It's only for video calls or 3rd party apps.
10:12.44aksheylcukx200: I am talking not talking about the 5mp camera. I am talking about the camera for vdo conferencing
10:12.45lcukx200MiXu-, ?
10:13.08MiXu-lcukx200: Hm=
10:13.09MiXu-?
10:13.34RST38hYou can operate front camera for pictures
10:13.39RST38hIf you really need to
10:13.49RST38hBoth cameras are available as standard Video4Linux devices
10:13.52lcukx200MiXu-, /dev/video0
10:13.55lcukx200MiXu-, /dev/video1
10:14.04RST38hand hello, lcuk
10:14.08lcukx200install healthcheck, it looks at them :D
10:14.11lcukx200hiya RST38h
10:14.11MiXu-lcukx200, RST38h: That's not usable for 90% of people.
10:14.16aksheyMiXu-: how can I test if it is working for vdo conferencing?
10:14.18MiXu-I was talking about an app.
10:14.27MiXu-akshey: Make a video call :)
10:14.31lbtduh
10:14.33lcukx200MiXu-, neither is skydiving, but does not mean it doesnt exist
10:14.36RST38hscrew 90% of people
10:15.01MiXu-lcukx200: I didn't say it's not possible. I just said there isn't an app (by default) that would do it.
10:15.08MiXu-3rd party stuff is another story as I said.
10:15.15lcukx200perhaps a filesystem branch for the 10% of users should be made
10:15.37aksheyMiXu-: How do i make a video call? Cant see any such option :(
10:16.22MiXu-I haven't tried it. But if you make a gtalk voip call there should be an option to enable video afaik.
10:16.25LiraNunaakshey, you need skype or google talk
10:16.28lbtakshey: do you have PR1.2?
10:16.35LiraNunaand the other side should have a video camera as well
10:16.39MiXu-yep
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10:17.03aksheylbt: PR ?
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10:17.13LiraNunapublic release
10:17.17lbtlatest update to Maemo
10:17.32RST38hlbt: he does not
10:17.40aksheyI installed this one: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin
10:17.50MiXu-Yeah, that's PR1.2
10:18.07MohammadAG51Indian version though, not the same one we have
10:18.24lbtah... may make a difference
10:19.20aksheyWhile using US version it was asking me to update but when I installed Indian one, it is not asking
10:19.22MohammadAG51cool, another step forward in aptitude compilation
10:19.33MiXu-I'd be surprised if video calls were missing from the indian version
10:19.43MohammadAG51skype's missing :P
10:19.54MiXu-Oh :o
10:20.00MiXu-But why :o
10:20.44MohammadAG51f*** yes!
10:20.50MohammadAG51aptitude compiled
10:20.59MohammadAG51err, Segmentation Fault
10:21.02MohammadAG51xDD
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10:21.55lbtMohammadAG51: :)
10:22.10lcukx200MohammadAG51, nice
10:22.38RST38hOk, I have uploaded the latest HydroCarbon theme to the Extras-Devel
10:22.41RST38hGive it a try.
10:22.47MohammadAG51qemu segfaulted btw, aptitude worked :P
10:23.17lcukx200RST38h, this hydrocarbon theme does not create plumes on surrounding desktops does it?
10:23.23lcukx200writes a top-kill theme
10:23.44MohammadAG51whatever happened to live-wp development
10:23.48SpeedEvilpumps golf-balls into lcukx200.
10:24.00SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: see xsnow.
10:24.04lcukx200SpeedEvil, arghhhh
10:24.30lcukx200the methane escaping from me is all ummm natural gas
10:24.44MohammadAG51who needs documentation when docpurge purges it
10:24.51MohammadAG51strips debian/rules
10:25.06lcukx200MohammadAG51, dont!
10:25.20MohammadAG51Already did
10:25.43lcukx200clearing off the documentation makes a ballache later
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10:26.33lcukx200when someone has to figure out how to turn it back on again ;)
10:27.12RST38hlcuk: No, although it has managed to drive joppu mad
10:27.15MohammadAG51lcukx200, oh, I just commented it out anyways :P
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10:29.28MohammadAG51hmm
10:29.28MohammadAG51it uses qt3
10:29.28MohammadAG51comments out
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10:30.43chadiHello. I have downloaded and set up scratchbox, now I downloaded the source code of an app (QtIrreco) inside scratchbox, extracted, then "make". I get the following:
10:30.57chadimake: *** No rule to make target `/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-gles2/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
10:31.12MohammadAG51configure it first
10:31.17MohammadAG51qmake I guess
10:32.03chadiis qmake a command?
10:32.55chadibash: qmake: command not found
10:33.40LiraNunachadi, you need the Qt dev kit
10:33.54LiraNunaoh, wait - scratchbox
10:34.05chadiyea, and there is a pro file.
10:35.34chadido I need qt4-dev?
10:36.10chadilibqt4-dev that is
10:36.11MohammadAG51just do a dpkg-buildpackage -b and see what packages it needs
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10:36.45chadiexactly: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqt4-dev
10:36.49chadi:)
10:36.51lcukx200"apt-get build-dep qtirreco"  should just work?
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10:37.12lcukx200with a bit of instally bit
10:37.31chadiDownloading libqt4-dev right now, let's see if it helps :)
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10:38.04MohammadAG51lcukx200, well, build depends can be more than depends :)
10:38.14MohammadAG51i.e -dev packages, and the such
10:38.29MohammadAG51compiling cwidget
10:38.38lcukx200course MohammadAG51
10:38.42MohammadAG51Might get this into -devel after all
10:38.47lcukx200thats what the build-dep bit is for
10:39.24MohammadAG51lcukx200, well, those packages don't install by installing the package itself
10:39.50MohammadAG51don't you just love it when text scrolls while compiling
10:40.43lcukx200? MohammadAG51
10:41.10lcukx200dont worry
10:41.16lcukx200vanishes and goes driving
10:42.34chadiare pyton apps also developed in scrathbox or that is not neccesary?
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10:54.44chadiMohammadAG51, dpkg-buildpackage -b does a make too in case no problems found?
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10:58.10MohammadAG\o/ http://i46.tinypic.com/96aoht.jpg
11:00.02psycho_oreosaptitude
11:00.03psycho_oreoslol
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11:02.09chadiMohammadAG, what's after fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b?
11:02.37MohammadAGchadi, depends on what you're doing
11:02.46chadii wanna launch it :D
11:03.03MohammadAGo.O
11:03.11MohammadAGwhy not just install qtirreco from the repos...
11:03.50chadiI have a problem that I am trying to debug, for now I wanna compile the source code as it is, later I'll modify it
11:05.00pupnikit should be in the directory in binary form
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11:06.04chadibut make did nto work
11:06.17MohammadAGdid dpkg-buildpackage work?
11:06.35MohammadAGand you can't launch GUIs in the ARMEL target
11:06.35chadiyeah, but it gave an optifying error at the end
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11:07.11chadidpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
11:07.11chadimaemo-optify
11:07.11chadimake: maemo-optify: Command not found
11:07.11chadimake: *** [binary-arch] Error 127
11:07.30chadifine, let me go in x86
11:07.34MohammadAGapt-get install maemo-optify
11:08.00chadicouldn't find package
11:08.13MohammadAGRiiight... did you add -devel?
11:08.35MohammadAGaptitude, which section would it be more sutiable in, user/utilities or user/system?
11:08.36chadinope
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11:09.05chadiutilities i'd say
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11:12.35pupnikopenpandora user can set lcd refresh to 50/ or 60 hz
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11:20.13mordkuusiokolojahanne, vaihtasi torxeihin
11:20.19mordeek. sorry wron chan
11:20.22mordwrong*
11:23.59Treibholzdamn! The dependencies in the SDK are broken and I cannot install it...
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11:38.32MohammadAG:/
11:38.43MohammadAGI have to wait two imports to upload a damn package
11:38.59MohammadAGpackage depends on a dependency, which depends on another one
11:39.58MohammadAGlol crashanddie (football post)
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12:13.03chadiI tried installing qtirreco from the repos, it worked by lirc did not installing, saying:
12:13.04chadidpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb (--unpack): | error creating pipe `./dev/lircm': Permission denied | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
12:13.04chadiErrors were encountered while processing: | /var/cache/apt/archives/lirc_0.8.5-3fremantle30_i386.deb | E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
12:14.39chadiit worked but* lirc did not install*
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12:16.25MohammadAGyou forgot fakeroot
12:17.44Treibholzis it possible, the dependencies in the SDK are totally messed up?
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12:19.49chadiMohammadAG, no I did not
12:20.15crashanddieDocScrutinizer: around?
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12:21.13chadiMohammadAG, it even refuses to install in xephyr
12:21.35MohammadAGuse the chroot terminal
12:21.40MohammadAG(scratchbox)
12:21.53crashanddieI need some names/ideas for something: I have a set-top-box that I want to hide, I also have a couple of playstations that I want to hide. Playstation uses bluetooth so no need to have line of sight, but the set-top-box uses IR remote, so I need to have line of sight or some IR transmitter that I could build into the drawer where everything will be in
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12:22.43GAN900crashanddie, they sell IR retransmitters.
12:22.55crashanddieyeah, names, google isn't helping at the moment
12:23.07yanucrashanddie: there are IR-recievers that passtrough the signal back to ir
12:25.06RST38hAnyone knows how I can enable coredumps in Maemo5?
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12:26.11crashanddieyanu: do you have a name?
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12:27.07id2380dnasidHi?
12:27.18ecksuncrashanddie, there is a harmony remote that have a rf to ir converter
12:27.23GAN900crash
12:27.36GAN900crashanddie, I know smarthome.com has some listed.
12:27.37crashanddieecksun: yeah, don't want that
12:28.20ecksuncrashanddie, it would solve your problem though ;)
12:28.36crashanddieecksun: not likely. Not a standard remote and not supported by universal remote controls
12:28.45ecksunI know where you can by some in sweden, however i dont know how that willl help you
12:28.52ecksunharmony supports everything
12:29.10ecksunotherwise you can just ask them to add the support and they will do it
12:29.30ecksunhttp://www.clasohlson.se/Product/Product.aspx?id=147601748 doesnt help you, does it?
12:30.20yanucrashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=infrared+repeater+remote+control+vcr&btnG=Google+Search
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12:31.07ecksuncrashanddie, how about  Digiality IR Bender
12:31.57RST38hAnyone?
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12:35.50Treibholzhttp://tmp.uxix.de/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log
12:35.56Treibholzwhat am I doing wrong?
12:36.12benno2Hi, I'm trying to make an icon for a maemo app but the icon  does not appear in the application list. I followed this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application   any idea how to make it work? thanks
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12:47.17zaheerm-lpluke-jr, not when it is based on false pretenses
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12:47.42zaheerm-lpluke-jr, sorry, replying to something from hours ago
12:49.54ZogGвщ ш туув ещ гьщгте ыщьурщцук ьшскщЫв иуащку ефлштп ше щге( еру зрщту шы щт)
12:49.58ZogGdamn
12:50.13ZogGdo i need to umount mocrosd before taking it out if the phone is on?
12:50.22RST38hthat has been unicode, apparently...
12:50.30RST38hyes, you do.
12:50.43ZogGRST38h what is the mount point
12:51.00ZogGand it is unicode but still jebrish as i tried to type in english
12:51.07ZogGjust wrong layout =)
12:51.23RST38h<PROTECTED>
12:52.01ZogGit wasn't mounted =)
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12:53.40MiXu-You don't need to unmount manually
12:53.56MiXu-It gets unmounted if you remove the back cover
12:54.16MiXu-There's a magnet + a sensor that detects when the cover is removed
12:54.22kW_Hello! Is there some documentation how to completely re-build a N900 Maemo distribution as it is preinstalled? I've already compiled the kernel, but how do I create userspace-images?
12:54.48MiXu-What is it you're trying to achieve?
12:55.21kW_MiXu-: my objective is an encrypted root file system
12:55.44MiXu-Ah. Can't help with that then. :)
12:55.58kW_MiXu-: which effectively means that I'll have two maemo userspace instances, one for booting and entering the passphrase, and the other one which is actually encrypted
12:56.28kW_MiXu-: I did this before with openmoko, it is not really difficult
12:56.44MiXu-Isn't it enough if you encrypt all user data? :)
12:57.15kW_MiXu-: well, if it is ensured that "all user data" lies within a certain directory in the VFS directory tree?
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12:57.52MiXu-Not sure about that
12:57.56kW_MiXu-: typically, files are written here and there (e.g. some configuration changes are reflected in /etc, some log files are stored in /var or /var/log ...)
12:58.59kW_I have to measure the speed difference, though. If it is too slow, then I may do the work and try to find out all places which are modified.
12:59.11MiXu-Most user data is under /home
12:59.27kW_But nevertheless, I need to be able to rebuild the image (or a comparable image) as it is originally installed in N900 devices you buy.
12:59.59MiXu-There's a 2GB partition that's mounted as /home which should hold all contacts, sms, etc.
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13:01.59kW_Well, I do see this.
13:02.23kW_it is a good starting point
13:03.24GAN900crashanddie, steadicam is here.
13:03.33crashanddiewhich one?
13:05.30GAN900crashanddie, dunno, didn't order it.
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13:06.17Lazy^Hello, can someone post me link to wiki to instructions how to tell apt-get to use different cache. Since i cant upgrade to 1.2 since low diskspace.. and i have only 1 app installed
13:08.27crashanddieGAN900: going to have fun with it?
13:08.53felipecX-Fade: did the PR1.x dependency bug get fixed?
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13:10.21GAN900crashanddie, hell yes.
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13:10.26clasificadohi all
13:10.57crashanddieGAN900: you'll have to show me some footage
13:11.22crashanddieGAN900: secure it in your car and drive around :P
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13:11.28SpeedEvilLazy^: Maybe it's linked from
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13:11.30SpeedEvil~flashing
13:11.31infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
13:11.32crashanddieGAN900: attach it on the backseat, and give it a spin, then go driving, enjoy 360 degree views
13:11.34clasificadohi all
13:11.46MohammadAG51hmm, there aren't going to be fremantle X86 devices?
13:11.54SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: Sounds unlikely.
13:12.08MohammadAG51s/?/ right?/
13:12.24SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: Still sounds unlikely.
13:12.27MohammadAG51k, i'll set it to armel only
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13:15.21clasificadohi guys, what are you doing? im trying to compile the hid-apple module but im a noob with that, so its uber-fun :P
13:17.18crashanddielol... "Wireless external DVD burner. USB lead included"
13:17.20Lazy^SpeedEvil: hehe, not flashing.. i mean upgrading =) Someone sayed that there is way to give more cache-space for apt
13:17.43crashanddieLazy^: "said"
13:17.45RST38hAnyone used OpenGLES?
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13:18.21Lazy^"said" ;)
13:18.31clasificadoOpenGLES, not yet. too much math
13:20.52MohammadAGcrashanddie, grammar nazi
13:21.07crashanddieMohammadAG: I thought you'd be one to like nazis
13:21.27MohammadAGcrashanddie, did I complain?
13:21.33crashanddie:P
13:21.47crashanddie(I think we just shocked the hell out of anyone who isn't completely perverted)
13:22.03MohammadAGo.O
13:24.16MohammadAGI swear if this build fails I'm nuking the autobuilder
13:25.03SpeedEvilLazy^: oops
13:25.05crashanddieGAN900 & timeless: you guys use an external dvd writer? I have a macbook (unibody first gen) that has a broken cd player. recommendations?
13:25.23Lazy^anyway, i did find that link...
13:25.24SpeedEvilLazy^: have you disabled all repos apart from nokia?
13:25.31Lazy^yep
13:25.48SpeedEvilcrashanddie: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/cdfaq.htm
13:25.49Lazy^but maybe moving apt-cache is the solution...
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13:25.56SpeedEvilLazy^: What space do you have?
13:26.16GAN900crashanddie, get a cheap one off the interwebs?
13:26.30GAN900and, WTF, since when does Maemo do autocorrection?
13:27.34crashanddieGAN900: the cheap ones I see in the area around me are reported to not work with macs
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13:27.44GAN900Ah
13:27.46MohammadAGcrashanddie, I use an external writer
13:27.58MohammadAGit's a USB-only one, so it's kinda slow
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13:28.09MohammadAGbut my laptop doesn't have an internal drive so...
13:28.14GAN900I have a MacAlly enclosure with some DVD writer or other in it.
13:28.21GAN900From 2005 or so.
13:28.42SpeedEvilI vaguely recall some proto-app to get the n900 to appear as a CD player
13:28.55crashanddieSpeedEvil: the axel is bent, if you insert a CD it scratches it against the inside of the computer
13:29.28crashanddieSpeedEvil: and macs (especially the unibody) are notorious for being hard to open. It's not my computer either, so not going to mess with it
13:29.31MohammadAGcrashanddie, http://www.overclockersonline.net/reviews/50002601/
13:30.50crashanddieMohammadAG: works under osx?
13:31.15MohammadAGcrashanddie, drivers use generic drives afaik, it 'works' with my N900
13:31.24MohammadAGdrives*
13:31.32MohammadAGdrivers*
13:31.32MohammadAGlol
13:31.38MohammadAGswap both terms
13:32.08crashanddiemeh, true, plug and pray right. I'll just go pick up something at the local shop and go yelling if it doesn't work
13:32.50MohammadAGworks most the times (yelling part)
13:33.25DocScrutinizer2*yawn*
13:33.54MohammadAGit's alive!
13:34.10DocScrutinizer2you're sure? me not
13:34.51MohammadAGheh
13:35.06Lazy^SpeedEvil: rootfs 63.8mb
13:36.08SpeedEvilLazy^: That's plenty
13:36.25SpeedEvilLazy^: I had IIRC 55M before updating. You're on 1.1.1?
13:36.32SpeedEvilLazy^: what exact error message do you get?
13:36.35Lazy^heh, it's still complaining about the space...
13:36.39Lazy^sec
13:36.42MohammadAGwho said aptitude wouldn't run http://maemo.org/packages/view/aptitude/
13:36.51benno2Any idea how I can see the same fonts in maemo5 scratchbox as on the N900 ?
13:37.44DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG, you evil repo spammer
13:37.48Stskeepsshould be, nokia fonts are installed
13:38.26MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, muhahahaha
13:38.30MohammadAGhmm
13:38.39MohammadAGI wonder if I removed the rm -rf from the postinst script
13:38.41MohammadAGoh well
13:38.45Lazy^SpeedEvil: yes, 1.1.1
13:39.02JaffaSpeedEvil: Thanks for the sensible comment on the Chromium thing. Much appreciated.
13:39.07SpeedEvilLazy^: It should certainly not fail wwiht lack of space with 65M IIRC
13:39.18SpeedEvilJaffa: I wish things were sane.
13:39.33SpeedEvilJaffa: And just by holding up clear proof, this sort of thing would go away.
13:39.56Lazy^but it does.. .) App-manager says that i should pc-suite. pc-suite flips outs.. apt-get distupgrade fails also
13:39.56SpeedEvilBut - ...
13:40.01benno2Stskeeps, I tried af-sb-init.sh start on both X86 and ARMEL targets but I get a lot of errors, like qemu not found etc. but starting my app standalone with Xephyr running works. just I don't see the maemo desktop. any idea ?
13:40.30JaffaSpeedEvil: If wishes were horses...
13:40.45lbtSpeedEvil:  Mece: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.11/    :D
13:40.46SpeedEvillooks up horse recipies.
13:42.35lbtgoes back to building the maemo obs
13:42.58lbtX-Fade: are we ready to get any trial users on there yet?
13:43.07benno2I installed maemo5 sdk a few days ago, did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade is this enough to update to the PR 1.2 SDK or do I need to perform apt-get dist-upgrade ?  dist-upgrade wants to install only 1.6MB of archives, bsdutils, e2fsprogs etc.   any idea? thanks
13:45.21MohammadAGlol it keeps segfaulting
13:50.26DocScrutinizer2hmm, yummy, grilled horse
13:52.39kW_Are there any experienced n900 hackers here?
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13:56.14MiXu-Try the talk.maemo.org forum
13:56.49MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, KOR 2 - 0 GRE XP
13:57.06DocScrutinizer2hmm, good
13:57.18SpeedEvilkW_: for what?
13:57.33DocScrutinizer2less kor than gre around here
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13:59.57kW_SpeedEvil: Well, I want to rebuild the software on the N900 from source (e.g. kernel, initfs, rootfs, ...). I've already succeeded with the kernel, but I do not know how to build a rootfs (e.g. out of a scratchbox instance).
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14:00.20MohammadAGwell, at least aptitude can do an apt-get update :S
14:00.42kW_(I'm aware that "source" may well mean to add some "nokia-binaries", but that's fine.)
14:01.04SpeedEvilI've not used scrachbox - so am unaware if it can do 'make world'\
14:01.14MohammadAGLOL I got a framebuffer console in maemo
14:01.16MohammadAGidk how
14:01.17SpeedEvilMaemo-devel aslo
14:01.30SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Some of the third party kernels enable it
14:01.42MohammadAGSpeedEvil, inside Maemo? not that I recall
14:01.47DocScrutinizer2Noma: ctrl-alt-F1?
14:01.48MohammadAGplus I'm not using third party kernels
14:02.34SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Odd - I diddn't think that it had fbcon compiled in
14:03.20DocScrutinizer2a hoax, MohammadAG prolly doen't even know what kernel is on his dev atm XP
14:03.57MohammadAG/kick DocScrutinizer you hurt my feelings
14:04.09DocScrutinizer2:-P
14:04.24MohammadAGXD
14:05.14DocScrutinizer2noma? you see... :-S ETAB
14:05.30DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG:  ctrl-alt-F1?
14:05.40MohammadAGsomeone install aptitude and see if it segfaults for them
14:05.57MohammadAGI can't see any reason it would segfault, other than Nokia fscking around with apt-utils
14:06.14DocScrutinizer2gdb is your friend
14:06.15clasificadoi can do it
14:06.31clasificadowhere it is?
14:06.35MohammadAG-devel
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14:07.01MohammadAGwow
14:07.04MohammadAGone goal already
14:07.05MohammadAGxDDDD
14:08.40MohammadAGIt's bad to lock the N900 at 100% right?
14:08.46MohammadAGwhat about 10x that? :P Load average: 9.86 8.56 5.03
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14:10.30clasificado-devel repos is big :P
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14:21.21Meceargentina is looking pretty good.
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14:32.17DocScrutinizerdamn, feels like futurama. The space bees are loose - run!!
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14:41.58MiXu-_Is there a way to see how many times a certain package has been downloadded from extras?
14:42.05MiXu-_extras-devel actually
14:46.43DocScrutinizer2yes
14:47.48GAN900MiXu-_, http://downloads.maemo.org
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14:48.45clasificadoim argentinian :D 1st half done
14:48.45fureddoI think it's only for extras though, not extras-devel.
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14:49.44clasificadohey mohammadag, i have aptitude and sigsegv, both in one package :P
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14:50.04MohammadAGlol what
14:50.28clasificadosorry, let me try again
14:50.31clasificadoive installed your aptitude
14:51.23clasificadoand my output is "Ouch! Get SIGSEGV, dying..."
14:51.39MohammadAGdid you run it as root?
14:51.43clasificadoyep
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15:08.09Meceheyoo
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15:08.47Meceoops
15:09.08MeceMohammadAG51, thanks for fixing the pelota widget
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15:13.17MohammadAG51Mece np :P
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15:18.20fureddoIs there anyone here who was using QStardict and cannot use it anymore since PR1.2?  I have resubmitted a new version in extras-devel and would like to know if it works now.   Anyone can test it and report?
15:18.33fureddoThe name is qstardict_0.13.2-3fb.
15:18.46fureddoI have no device so cannot test it myself.
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15:29.21SpeedEvilfureddo: What is the problem?
15:29.26felipecanyone knows how to make g_log actually print something?
15:30.01SpeedEvilfureddo: qstar!=mstar?
15:30.21SpeedEvilDownloading
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15:31.41fureddoSpeedEvil, qstar != mstar.  That is correct.  It's 2 different apps.
15:32.03SpeedEvilIt starts and does not immediately crash
15:32.14fureddoThat's a good.
15:32.19fureddoThe problem is explained here:
15:32.27fureddohttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=709715&postcount=176
15:34.26fureddoSpeedEvil, You will have to download and install a dictionary.
15:34.27SpeedEvil"The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config""  - appearing on the console when I try to tick the plugin
15:34.42fureddoAh ok.
15:34.55SpeedEvilIs this related to a dictionary?
15:35.01fureddoSo most probably that the problem is still there.
15:35.59fureddoI wonder...  Did you have the previous version installed before installing the new version?
15:36.12SpeedEvilNo - no qstardict - I did have mstardict
15:36.21fureddoOk.
15:36.38SpeedEvilhmm
15:36.50fureddoYou can try to install a dictionary and use it.
15:37.12fureddoDictionaries from mstar are supposed to be compatible with qstar.
15:37.20SpeedEvilhadn't got that setup either
15:37.45fureddoI think you can copy one of them in $HOME/.stardict/dic directory.
15:37.49fureddoAh ok.
15:37.50SpeedEvilIs there a nice page on how to setup the dicts?
15:38.00fureddoYes, here...
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15:39.01fureddohttp://wiki.qstardict.ylsoftware.com/Dictionaries_installation
15:42.11SpeedEvildownloading
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15:42.28SpeedEvilI suspect you know it would be nice to have some nice automagic way to do this.
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15:43.45fureddoProbably.  But I think maybe not actually.  Of course, it's a hassle.  But if all applications have their own dowload manager for installing data, that would clutter all the applications and take more space needlessly.
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15:44.22fureddoSo, I don't know...  Of course, in the future, we will have plenty of space on these devices but for now, the space is limited.
15:46.02ManoftheSeawhat's a hassle?
15:46.10ManoftheSeathe app store?
15:46.13fureddotrouble
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15:46.59fureddodisturbance, annoyance
15:47.05SpeedEvilsighs.
15:47.15SpeedEvilWhere does the browser put downloaded files..
15:47.21fureddoNo idea
15:47.47SpeedEvilAh
15:47.52SpeedEvilMydocs/.documents
15:47.57SpeedEvilHow deeply obvious.
15:47.59fureddoHome directory? or desktop? or Documents & Settings/home/My Documents/My Received Files/endOfTheWorld
15:48.10fureddo:-)
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15:49.20SpeedEvilAnd of course - busybox tar doesn't know bz
15:49.57fureddoYeah, I thought so.  There was a lot of complains about how difficult it can be to install those dict files.
15:50.00SpeedEvills -l .stardict/dic/
15:50.00SpeedEvildrwx------    2 user     users        4096 Jun 12 16:49 stardict-English_French-2.4.2
15:50.03SpeedEvilthat look sane?
15:51.51MohammadAG51i removed /bin/tar and symlinked /usr/bin/gnu/tar to it
15:53.29SpeedEvilfureddo:  ls -l .stardict/dic/*
15:53.29SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users      482640 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.dict.dz
15:53.29SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users      768420 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.idx
15:53.29SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users         217 Jan 30  2009 .stardict/dic/English_French.ifo
15:53.31fureddoYes, it looks good
15:53.48SpeedEvilI tried moving them back a dir - when it diddn't pick them up
15:54.10fureddoNo...  I think you must have a directory named with the dict.
15:54.16SpeedEvilk
15:55.28SpeedEvilFixed that - they are now in a subdir - ~/.stardict/dic/stardict-English_French-2.4.
15:55.38fureddoLooks better.
15:55.43SpeedEvilAnd I go to configure, click 'dictionaries - and get what appears to be an empty list
15:56.03fureddoHave you checked the stardict plugins?
15:56.21fureddoYou may have to restart the application too.
15:56.26SpeedEvilno
15:56.39fureddoCan you check it?
15:56.56RST38hOh fuck...glColorPointer() apparently does not like integer color components
15:57.07SpeedEvilthe 'i' and spanner do nothing on the settings page - just tick and dismiss the window?
15:57.31jacekowskiRST38h: that's because you didn't read the friendly manual
15:57.36fureddoIf you select stardict plugin, can you click the wrench button?
15:57.40SpeedEvilno
15:57.56fureddoThen the bug is still there.
15:58.04SpeedEvilIt lights up, then dims as soon as I touch it to the same as it looked before.
15:58.05fureddoMost probably.
15:58.08SpeedEvilWould strace be of use?
15:58.12RST38hjacekowski: URL of the friendly manual?
15:58.25fureddoMaybe.
15:58.41jacekowskihttp://www.khronos.org/opengles/documentation/opengles1_0/html/glColorPointer.html
15:59.02fureddoBut I think that the previous error message: "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config"
15:59.21RST38hoh fuck
15:59.27fureddomeans something...
15:59.32RST38hit does not take GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE either though
15:59.37fureddoFor someone :-)
16:00.20SpeedEvilfureddo: http://www.mauve.plus.com/qs - strace - in a few mins when it's finished uploading
16:00.36fureddoOk
16:01.13fureddoTell me when it's done.
16:02.37SpeedEvilOk - gzip is more sane
16:02.40SpeedEvilqs.gz
16:02.43jacekowskiSpeedEvil: what's the problem?
16:02.47SpeedEvilup in 5s
16:02.48fureddoI think it's a Qt bug.
16:02.49SpeedEvil?
16:02.52SpeedEvilWRT what?
16:02.58jacekowskibzip2 or lzm
16:03.01jacekowskilzma
16:03.03SpeedEvilI just cut through the lead of my hedgetrimmer
16:03.15SpeedEvilI don't think that's directly related though
16:03.24jacekowskiwell, the software problem
16:03.37jacekowskinot your home problems
16:04.35SpeedEvilIT wouldn't undo a bz2
16:05.04jacekowskiyour hedge trimmer?
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16:05.14SpeedEviloops
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16:05.44inzSpeedEvil, are you sure you escaped it enough?
16:06.24MohammadAG51lol
16:06.51MohammadAG51I wonder what would've happened if he type s/\/\/
16:07.10inzToo late now ;)
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16:07.18MohammadAG51lol
16:07.19jacekowskis/\/\/
16:07.28jacekowskis/\/\/g
16:07.30inzJust as I guessed.
16:07.35MohammadAG51oops
16:07.47MohammadAG51i meant s/\///
16:07.48inzThe "regex" engine in infobot is far from regex =)
16:08.02MohammadAG51\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
16:08.06MohammadAG51s/\///
16:08.07satmdstop it please
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16:08.30jacekowskiyeah
16:08.34jacekowskilet's be adult
16:08.59MohammadAG51switches to sed
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16:09.42SpeedEvilSigh
16:09.55SpeedEvilIt was me putting my soldering iron down on my keyboard
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16:12.02crashanddie\\\
16:12.10crashanddies/\//\//
16:12.25crashanddieinfobot: you serve nothing
16:12.43crashanddieor maybe it does...
16:12.45jacekowskirapuyama is for 3g and gazoo for 2g?
16:12.48crashanddie\\\
16:12.53crashanddies/\\/\//
16:12.55korhojoacrashanddie: why would you do that?
16:13.20jacekowskiosomebody fucked up the bot
16:13.22jacekowski~flashing
16:13.22infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
16:13.28crashanddie~rape jacekowski
16:13.28jacekowskihmm
16:13.29jacekowskino
16:13.35crashanddieoh :(
16:13.39crashanddie~nuke jacekowski
16:13.40jacekowskicrashanddie: she's ignoring you
16:13.43crashanddiewhy?
16:13.53jacekowskishe can sense bad people
16:13.57crashanddies/?/!/
16:14.11jacekowskifail
16:14.22crashanddie~commands
16:14.27crashanddie~help
16:14.40crashanddie~unlobotomy
16:14.48crashanddiegod dayum
16:14.56crashanddie~facstats
16:15.03crashanddie~factstats
16:15.09korhojoawellthen
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16:23.45crashanddieTALK
16:24.02MohammadAG51talks
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16:26.20LuciusMareHi, I've forgot the password to the device, it's not locked, I got root privs, I just forgot the password - can I change it?
16:27.03MohammadAG51the root pass?
16:27.08MohammadAG51just type passwd
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16:28.46LuciusMareNo, the pass that is asked for at locked screen
16:29.26MohammadAG51didn't you ask about it the other day?
16:29.38MohammadAG51And I said search for a method by qwerty12
16:31.35DocScrutinizerand I second on that
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16:34.51jacekowskiand i do
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16:37.20lcukanything good on telly tonight
16:37.24satmdhad a fun idea (and posted it to the wrong channel)
16:37.41satmdI sit in a thunder and wondered if my n900 could calculate the distance for me
16:38.07crashanddielcuk: england vs usa
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16:38.27lcukyeah i saw that was on crashanddie
16:38.34lcukbut i did say anythin good ;)
16:38.44DocScrutinizer2kids!
16:38.50DocScrutinizer2\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
16:38.59crashanddielcuk: I think the queen should bet with obama. If England wins, they start using -ise and more u's in their words. If USA wins, we start using -ize and remove all of our scrabble-cheating u's, h's and g's.
16:39.24DocScrutinizer2s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/
16:39.29DocScrutinizer2s/\/\ll\\l\ll\\\/g
16:39.30lcukif its a draw, we all pitch in and go cleanup the oil
16:39.38Appiahhaha
16:39.52crashanddielcuk: sure, I'm happy to be neither part of the US or UK then :D
16:40.12crashanddieanyway, going to the shops, 'later
16:42.11DocScrutinizer2satmd: we had that topic. It seems you need to exploit the camera to detect the lightning
16:42.22fralslcuk: i ate at your favorite pizzereia yesterday ;D
16:42.33satmd:(
16:42.50DocScrutinizer2satmd: and of course mic and sw audio analysis to detect the arrival of thunder
16:43.10satmd:)
16:43.17MohammadAG51lcuk, the world cup is good :P
16:43.22DocScrutinizer2or you simply create a stopwatch that counts 333/s
16:43.25MohammadAG51last game was lulz
16:44.27DocScrutinizer2satmd: you *might* check if you can exploit the FMRX to detect nearby lightning EM
16:44.38satmdhm
16:44.42MeceMohammadAG51, who are you cheering for?
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16:44.58DrGrovWhere can I see the new themes for N900?
16:45.02DocScrutinizer2on an empty (silent) channel it might work
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16:45.45MohammadAG51Mece, USA, to annoy a certain english fan :P
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16:45.56fureddoSpeedEvil, I must go to bed now.  It's almost 2am here.  I will take a look to the strace tomorrow.  Bye!
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16:47.00MeceMohammadAG51, LOL. though I meant in general.
16:47.42fureddoSpeedEvil, Thanks for your time.
16:48.27DrGrovMohammadAG: any way to find themes for the N900 from reliable sources?
16:48.34jacekowskiDIY
16:48.58SmokeyDhey everyone, I am trying to connect to openvpn from my n900, but when I press "connect" the phone waits a few secs and then alerts "socket.connect() failed".
16:49.14SmokeyDany ideas what's wrong?
16:49.54BCMMDrGrov: ovi store or app manager
16:50.32BCMMDrGrov: and why did you highlight MohammadAG?
16:50.49DrGrovBCMM: ah ok. i highlight MohammadAG since he is always been very kind and helpful.
16:51.20BCMMimho app manager should have a catagory for themes, but it doesn't
16:51.28MiXu-_I agree
16:51.51MiXu-_In my opinion app manager is the worst app of N900 right after the RSS reader
16:51.51BCMMyou can search for themes though, or list the catagory they are in (i forget which one - "Desktop"?) by size
16:51.52DrGrovBCMM: agreed
16:51.58BCMMthe themes are all huge
16:52.14BCMMalso, i dunno where list by size has gone in 1.2
16:52.27MiXu-_The fact that it's only a GUI for apt is a bit disappointing.
16:52.46BCMMDrGrov: anyway, there is a section on ovi store
16:53.00BCMMMiXu-_: well, what else does it need to do?
16:53.16MiXu-_BCMM: If you've got a lot of repos it is painfully slow
16:53.26BCMMis list by size entirely gone in 1.2?
16:53.37MiXu-_take a look at appdownloader in extras
16:53.42MiXu-_That's much better.
16:53.51BCMMi mean, it's not a big deal for install, but it's very useful for uninstalling
16:54.02BCMMMiXu-_: is that an alternative apt frontend?
16:54.03MiXu-_Don't know about that.
16:54.13MiXu-_BCMM: No. It's a extras frontend.
16:54.40MiXu-_Technical stuff aside, it's much more user friendly.
16:54.56MiXu-_And you can actually see comments/screenshots/whatnot about the app in question.
16:55.01MiXu-_Plus it's much snappier.
16:55.10BCMMsnappier is a gooooood thing
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16:55.21BCMMi feel like it got slower in 1.2, but am not entirely sure
16:56.31DrGrovBCMM: good though i really hate ovi store.
16:57.38DrGrovI am trying to find something extremely useful for my N900
16:57.51DrGrovTrying to customize it perfectly for my needs but I can not seem to get it done
16:58.19MiXu-_Have you tried extras-testing and extras-devel?
16:58.22DrGrovI just keep my fiancee, Conversations and Phone as shortcuts available on the desktop.
16:58.31DrGrovNo, I maybe should really start to do this ;)
16:58.54DrGrovMiXu-_: It feels like something is kind of "missing" on my current setup
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17:01.57BCMMyou need a little desktop button that makes the thing go "beep"
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17:03.44MeceDrGrov, well, as a reference, I've got 14 contacts, 21 shortcuts, widgets: calendar, personal ip, media player, transmitter, comic widget and world cup widget.
17:04.02Meceit's crowded but not cramped :-)
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17:04.14xDaReaperxHi
17:06.30MiXu-I've got the facebook app as well. Although it is pretty useless.
17:07.12MiXu-It should at least be scrollable and you should be able to post stuff.
17:07.23MiXu-I use mauku for posting now.
17:07.37BCMMyeah, glorified RSS reader
17:08.01xDaReaperxyeah i wished There was an official FB and twitter app
17:08.04xDaReaperxfor maemo
17:08.22MiXu-mauku is pretty good for twitter
17:08.30MiXu-I have no complaints
17:09.40xDaReaperxwat about witter and tweego
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17:15.44JaffaAnyone got iodine and DNS tunnelling working on Maemo 5?
17:15.45MeceI use witter. I need the features.
17:18.10konfooguys anyone built gstreamer for maemo bleeding edge with rtsp support?
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17:31.24lcukfrals lol
17:31.35lcukMohammadAG51, mmm kinda
17:32.14MohammadAG51lcuk, pregame started, kick off is 58 mins from now
17:32.23MohammadAG51USA vs England
17:32.24lcukrolleyes
17:32.33lcukill find out the score anyway whether i watch it or not
17:32.35MeceFTW!
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17:32.50MohammadAG51lcuk, it's the fake stuff that's fun
17:32.52lcukbut i think i best had vanish, i can at least do some lounging around
17:33.01lcukwhat fake stuff?
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17:33.07MohammadAG51like when a player dives face forward into the ground to get a foul
17:33.11lcukthe only shocking thing ive heard so far are those damned air horns
17:33.15MohammadAG51seen that twice
17:33.25MohammadAG51yeah, they sound like a huge bee hive
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17:38.50jacekowskiMohammadAG51: england is bad
17:38.55jacekowskiMohammadAG51: but not that bad
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17:39.56jacekowskiwhat would be simplest way of veryfing if phone is really charging?
17:40.28MohammadAG51touch the metal cable and see if you get electricuted
17:40.29MohammadAG51:P
17:40.44jacekowski( i need some way of keeping phone charged when bme is paused )
17:40.59MohammadAG51test voltage?
17:41.31lcukput a glass of water down, if it starts to shake jurrasic park style, the n900 is charging towards you
17:41.52jacekowskilcuk: i'll have to try that
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17:42.31jacekowskilcuk: it's either not working or n900 isn't charging
17:42.38jacekowski( towards me )
17:44.05xDaReaperxglass of water down ?
17:44.13xDaReaperxwont the N900 spoil ?
17:44.17lcukyou could use multiple glasses of water and triangulate i suppose
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17:51.06lcukdamn missed the start of doctor who
17:51.09lcukwill have to watch later
17:52.58DocScrutinizerjacekowski: when bme is stopped,then there's no way to keep device charging - except starting jrbme instead
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17:53.32lardmanevening chaps
17:53.42crashanddieshitstorm flying on TMO
17:53.43crashanddiewoohooo
17:53.49lardmanhey crashanddie
17:54.19crashanddiehey lardy, howzit?
17:54.38lardmannot bad, finally got some time to fix my linux box and do some coding
17:54.57lardmanand just ordered a new pc so I'll havr to do it all again anyway
17:55.37jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, i2cset
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17:56.22crashanddielardman: cool
17:56.29SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Discharging to under 3.7v, then plugging in the charger for under 32 mins
17:56.37lardmancrashanddie: and you?
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17:58.04crashanddiebha
17:58.11crashanddiefinding jobs is hard, and boring
17:58.28lardmanhmm, yeah I can imagine
17:58.59lardmanwhere you looking, la France?
17:59.55Mecewhere's the shitstorm on tmo? url plz?
18:00.12DocScrutinizerjacekowski: jrbme for now is just a script using i2ctools
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18:01.39crashanddieMece: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56008
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18:10.27lardmancrashanddie: ah, the wonders of forum moderation
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18:14.32pupniki don't see how people get thier thinkpads down to <8 watts current draw
18:15.18lardmanpull out the CPU? ;)
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18:17.04crashanddieturn it off?
18:17.09crashanddiethen it's under 8 watts
18:18.07MohammadAG51lardman, tbh I'd close that thread if I were a mod
18:18.17MohammadAG51it'll eventually be closed, so why waste time
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18:21.30GAN900lardman, you ever get an answer from Reggie?
18:21.59GAN900lardman, personally, I'm ok with "Because I don't like your stupid face". :P
18:22.02lardmanMohammadAG: I'm no longer a mod, so I'm not really bothered
18:22.06lardmanGAN900: no, nothing
18:22.16GAN900Bizarre
18:22.33lardmanGAN900: yeah, a reason would be nice, but in the absence I'll just get on with the rest of my rather busy life and not worry too much
18:23.09lardmancursing QT Creator is taking up 100% of my time in the current 10min slice anyway ;)
18:24.38lardmanaargh, why oh why does it not want to just work
18:24.38lardman?
18:25.26lardmancreate a new .ui file, try to go to the slot definiation for a pushbutton and it moans about not finding the header file for the window
18:25.39lardmanhmm, definition even
18:26.42lardmanquietly thinks to himself that they should make it Visual Basic easy, or not bother encouraging people and let them write ui code themselves
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18:29.05MohammadAG51kick off in a bit
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18:38.26xDaReaperxHi
18:38.37xDaReaperxi think i found a bug in Health check tool
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18:40.41xDaReaperxhttp://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png
18:40.43xDaReaperxsee that
18:41.41xDaReaperxeach field is capable to be replace by the CPU current freq field , by just clicking once on the CPU current freq field and clicking the other field
18:45.55GAN900chuckles at the World Cup on ABC
18:51.50Mecegotta save some batteries. mece out.
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18:52.51Stskeeps...
18:52.54Stskeepspenguinbait's at it again?
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18:56.30Stskeepslo tomasz
18:56.43TomaszDlo Stskeeps
18:57.01TomaszD@ a rally meetup
18:57.04Stskeepsis seriously considering to add talk.maemo.org to his hostname ban list
18:57.28xDaReaperxlol y ?
18:57.53Stskeepsthe current mood reminds me a lot like the giraffe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c
18:57.53TomaszDbrb, next beer
18:59.04MohammadAGadds talk.maemo.org to Stskeeps's hostname ban list
18:59.13MohammadAGbans Stskeeps from tmo
18:59.14kW_Stskeeps: Hi, I'm currently using your boot-menu :-)
18:59.19GAN900Stskeeps, community isn't SO bad.
18:59.20StskeepskW_: fanoush'es :)
18:59.20xDaReaperxMohammadAg did you see this?  http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8093/screenshot2010061210035.png
18:59.29xDaReaperxits a bug which i mentioned above in health check tool
18:59.35MohammadAGxDaReaperx, yeah I had it once
18:59.40xDaReaperxHmm
18:59.42StskeepsGAN900: it is comparable at the moment :P
18:59.53kW_Stskeeps: well, this one http://maemo.org/packages/view/bootmenu-n900/
19:00.05StskeepskW_: yeah, we commonly attribute it to fanoush as he made it
19:00.15StskeepsGAN900: did you see penguinbait's thread? :P
19:00.17kW_ah, I see
19:01.00kW_Stskeeps: I'm currently using it to build booting from an encrypted root filesystem
19:01.17Stskeepsshould be possible, i'd be wary of watchdogs though
19:01.56kW_Stskeeps: what exactly do you mean?
19:02.13StskeepskW_: if you take too long time starting up, the watchdogs will get you
19:02.25GAN900Stskeeps, nurp
19:02.27kW_ah, I see
19:02.54StskeepsGAN900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56008
19:02.55TomaszDStskeeps, still want that pic
19:03.18StskeepsTomaszD: yeah, i'll ask bogna to get it for you - her birthday today
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19:03.37kW_Stskeeps: is there information on watchdogs (when they start, how long they take until they become active, ...)?
19:04.31DocScrutinizer2arfarfarf <watchdog biting Stskeeps' ass>
19:04.48GAN900Stskeeps, love it.
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19:05.04GAN900Stskeeps, well, you know my feelings on the subject(s). ;)
19:05.07DocScrutinizer2kW_: you can disable then in R&D mode anyway
19:05.13DocScrutinizer2tem
19:05.17DocScrutinizer2omfg
19:05.22StskeepsDocScrutinizer2: there was a wd in bq* btw?
19:05.32DocScrutinizer2kW_: you can disable those watchdogs in R&D mode anyway
19:05.41DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: yes
19:05.45TomaszDStskeeps, oh, tell her a happy birthday from me then :)
19:05.49Stskeepshow does it work, out of curiousity
19:06.57TomaszDit's god damned too loud to talk here
19:07.02DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: if system starts to talk to bq24150, then the WD is awake. When system fails to feed it for >32s nominal (aktually >12s) then bq24150 restes to defaults
19:07.49DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: defaults pretty much means safe bootstrap charge mode enabled
19:08.17Stskeeps:nod:
19:09.04DocScrutinizer2(3.7V max charge Voltage, 100/500mA max charge current, timeout 32min)
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19:12.09DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: so in that mode, which obviously also is the power-on reset mode, you can charge a dead battery to ~250mAh (500mA*32min) with the dedicated charger, even without system booted
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19:14.23DocScrutinizer2this should suffice to cleanly boot up NOLO and enable normal charging (though I'm not sure if NOLO does that, or you need the play-dead/softoff minimal unix system + BME to manage the bq24150 WD)
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19:15.08MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, ENG 1 - 1 USA, I suggest bolting the door
19:15.53DocScrutinizer2nah, American Forces have no longer any troops here
19:16.00DocScrutinizer2England neither
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19:16.50DocScrutinizer2Greece, Italy, Spain, that's the major threat here in my possee
19:17.29DocScrutinizer2and of course first and foremost the Germans ;-P
19:18.40GAN900MohammadAG, I'm rioting as soon as the game's over.
19:18.47GAN900Gon get me uh new TV!
19:19.43MohammadAGGAN900, XD, I'm watching it online
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19:22.12xDaReaperxlol
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19:30.25ksalehi, came from maemo wiki, need help
19:31.25ksalemy n900 has unstable sound.
19:32.16xDaReaperxunstable sound?
19:34.01ksalegoes off when player is paused and device is locked. Also sometimes plugging/unplugging headset creates the same effect.
19:34.21pupnikonly speakers or headset goes off also?
19:35.52ksaleboth
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19:38.48crashanddieaah, the joys of having to go through level 1 support with my ISP
19:39.06crashanddieremembers the days when I used to work for them, and had a direct number to lvl 3 support...
19:39.40crashanddieand it was "cheaper", because it was a local number, so free to dial, whereas this is .3 euros a minute
19:41.28ksaleI'll try to be  more specific -- device has just turned on, headset is on, media (mp3) plays with sound. Then I switch to internet radio, and sound disappears. Return back to mp3 -- no sound.  WiFi account is enabled and stable.
19:46.19kirmahas sort of hard time understanding what and why on earth nokia folks have done with v4l2 camera drivers and gstreamer v4l2camsrc to make it so that getting raw (bayer filter level) 10-bit-per-pixel image from sensor should be trivial, but it's pretty much not so
19:48.01kirmawith plain v4l2 it's "simple", but then again everything else becomes unnecessarily complicated without gstreamer additions
19:48.24GAN900crashanddie, I hate having to go through the bullshit phase.
19:48.52crashanddieGAN900: "turn off, check it's plugged in, bla bla bla"
19:48.53GAN900Back in the day Sears would make you wipe your whole machine before they'd honor the warranty
19:49.09GAN900and I didn't have enough guile back then to lie to them
19:49.36vldcnstcrashanddie: my ISP support won't even answer any questions if I'm using a router, they say they don't support routers. Even if the problem is at their end, imagine that.
19:49.37GAN900So I wiped that stupid iMac 4 times in as many years for fried ethernet hardware. . . .
19:49.39crashanddieproblem is, there must be so many people trying to bullshit their way through lvl 1 because they think they understand what's happening
19:49.59GAN900Yeah
19:50.16crashanddieanyone watching usa vs uk?
19:50.26GAN900I've dealt with my fair share of it myself.
19:50.29crashanddie1080p HD on a projector... not too bad
19:50.30GAN900crashanddie, on at work.
19:51.36crashanddieI'm actually surprised the US managed to score
19:51.50GAN900lol
19:52.05crashanddieI was kinda imagining them coming out on the field with all the padding and everything: "Whadyamean, not that kind of football dude?"
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19:54.30kirmaI must say that I don't quite comprehend what exactly happens to the SGRBG-style pixel encoding once it has crossed to userland and to gstcamerasrc code, though. pipelines seem... strange, referring components not visible with gst-inspect.
19:55.29DocScrutinizer2crashanddie: :-D
19:55.43GAN900Texrat seriously needs to try just ignoring these threads.
19:55.50crashanddiehe does
19:57.35Stskeepsi wouldn't mind Texrat in a role where following up on every single comment would be needed
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20:07.07GAN900lol
20:07.38GAN900He always loses perspective in the trenches.
20:08.42lcuk##world-cup channel is very noisey and sweary :D
20:09.18GAN900Even though I don't care one bit about soccer, England can go eat dirt. :P
20:09.25fralsbah ppl not reading first post in a thread and asking a question which has been answered a million times really makes me stay away from tmo
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20:10.01kirmasupposedly kicking balls make people agitated
20:11.04BCMMlcuk: aaaaah, that makes some sense
20:11.11BCMMi thought outside was a bit weird today
20:11.36BCMMis england playing, by any chance?
20:11.41MohammadAGhow do I restart X?
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20:11.58lcukBCMM, was watching downstairs before but i got distracted
20:12.02MohammadAGnvm, found it
20:12.17BCMMthat would explain a significant subset of the strange people in town
20:12.54crashanddielcuk: lol... it is noisy
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20:14.53crashanddieGAN900: haha, the bitch just hung op on me after being too difficult...
20:14.55lcukcrashanddie, yeah its a bustling chan
20:16.25MohammadAGtwo screens rock!
20:16.38MohammadAGnow if only I can figure out how to move windows between them
20:17.00SpeedEvilMohammadAG: slide finger from the bottom right corner
20:17.07lcukMohammadAG, 2 big screens?
20:17.07GAN900crashanddie, at the ISP?
20:17.14crashanddieyeah
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20:17.24MohammadAGSpeedEvil, you're kidding right :P
20:17.27MohammadAGlcuk, sec
20:17.37GAN900crashanddie, call back and ask for her again.
20:17.57crashanddiedoing just that
20:19.01BCMMMohammadAG: two screens on an n900?
20:19.14SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Oh - sorry - I'm not supposed to say anything about my n900-ds
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20:19.45lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG
20:20.12MohammadAGlcuk, basically, 2930x2074
20:20.26lcukso big desktop screens
20:20.50MohammadAGyeah, but I can't figure out how to move windows between them
20:21.02MohammadAGit runs on a separate X screen
20:21.07fralsmust be an old screen doing 1280x1024!
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20:21.29MohammadAGI guess trouts do make you smart
20:22.01lcukMohammadAG, yeah thats the problem with proper distinct x instances
20:22.04lcuki have dual screen
20:22.08lcukbut since x11
20:22.11lcuksingle
20:22.40MohammadAGthat's only possible if both screens are the right size, right?
20:22.48fralsnot sure how that 2930 adds up thou.. some weird reso x1050 :<
20:22.49MohammadAGs/right size/same res
20:23.06MohammadAG1680x1050 is standard on all 22" screens frals
20:23.24frals1280+1680 doesnt make 2930 me thinks!
20:23.31fralstwo evens dont make an odd!
20:23.41fralsremembers basic math
20:24.51BCMM2930 isn't odd!
20:24.53BCMMducks
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20:28.39DocScrutinizer2~1280 + 1680
20:28.39infobot2960
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20:39.43kW_Does anybody know how to resize the FAT32 partition on the eMMC card?
20:39.46RST38hThe CEO has accused workers of killing themselves for financial compensation, and the company has stopped suicide payments to suicide victims' families.
20:40.06Stskeepsexcellent
20:40.31SpeedEvilkW_: copy off, mkfs.vfat
20:40.41SpeedEvilcopy on
20:41.06kW_SpeedEvil: well, if nothing speaks against this approach...
20:41.21SpeedEvilWorked for me.
20:41.40kW_is it possible to export the _whole_ eMMC as a USB mass storage device instead of just one partition?
20:41.50SpeedEvilYes, but.
20:42.00SpeedEvilYou'd need to do some hackery.
20:42.08SpeedEvilAlso - if you export /home - things get messy
20:42.21MohammadAG51unless youmre outside maemo
20:42.29SpeedEvilMounting a block device in two places at once is a generally bad idea
20:42.31SpeedEvilEven if
20:42.41kW_well, I'd unmount it on the maemo-side first
20:42.57MohammadAG51is that even possible
20:43.01kW_and I'd actually not touch the linux or swap partition
20:43.03MohammadAG51without fscking up the device
20:43.13DocScrutinizer2RST38h: sounds like china's big electronics factory
20:43.22kW_just tell me, I'm not afraid to break the things, I just flashed it anyway
20:43.47SpeedEvilkW_: You can't easily unmount home that way
20:44.36kW_Well, I just want to export /dev/mmcblk0
20:44.51SpeedEvilWhy?
20:45.08kW_because then it is much easier to make parted resize the partition and create a new partition
20:45.15kW_(the FAT partition)
20:45.28SpeedEvilcopy data off fat partition.
20:45.36SpeedEvilmkfs, and you're done.
20:45.51MohammadAG51or use sfdisk
20:46.00MohammadAG51makes me wonder
20:46.05DocScrutinizer2not for the partition size thing
20:46.10MohammadAG51gparted would be interesting
20:46.10kW_well, in case I need to repair the FAT partiion, then the repair tools will find signatures of 2 fat partiions...
20:46.47kW_SpeedEvil: do you know how to change the export settings? (I know what I do)
20:46.50DocScrutinizer2cfdisk
20:46.51SpeedEvilnope
20:46.55MohammadAG51wonders if gparted is an ass to port
20:47.10MohammadAG51also wonders if it'd expose the mtd blocks
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20:47.14SpeedEvilHit up /etc/ with grep
20:48.10kW_is it possible to add a generic debian repository to /etc/apt/sources.list in order to have much more software runnable on the N900?
20:48.36RST38ha'ok...
20:48.37kW_(for example, nbd-server, parted, fdisk, ...)
20:49.08SpeedEvilI'm unsure if easy-debian has it in.
20:49.37MohammadAG51would easy-debian even export the drives outside the chroot
20:49.38korhojoakW_: well, it is possible. not many things will work though
20:49.44MohammadAG51hmm
20:49.58MohammadAG51would be possible to mount --bind the dev nodes I guess
20:49.59kW_korhojoa: is there a specific reason why this won't work?
20:50.08SpeedEvilThere are ways to mount stuff outside the chroot
20:50.18SpeedEvilkW_: It is possible to get it to work.
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20:50.34korhojoakW_: wrong libs and files in different places
20:50.39SpeedEvilBut it's going to be a couple of orders of magnitude easier to simply move it off, resize, move it back on.
20:51.04korhojoakW_: i've managed to install a thing or two, but that's about it. i downloaded the debs off the website though
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20:52.03DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: didn't you say (was it you?) that all the USSD and network control codes work on 1.2?
20:52.15MohammadAG51not all
20:52.26MohammadAG51I told you one or two didn't work
20:52.51DocScrutinizer2"maemo-users" <maemo-users@maemo.org> Tanuva <tanuva@googlemail.com>  subj:Re: Cannot turn off call forwarding
20:52.53MohammadAG51** ones i think
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20:53.24kW_SpeedEvil: well, I've copied it off, now I need to be able to delete or resize the partition, but sfdisk apparently does not have such options.... weird
20:54.05DocScrutinizer2FSCK! I *knew* Nokia wouldn't achieve to fix it
20:55.09fralswas it an USSD that didnt work or was it a SS code or whatever they are called?
20:55.34SpeedEvilkW_: apt-get install cfdisk
20:57.56SpeedEvilwonders why /var/adm/lastlog is 8 meg.
20:58.38SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
21:06.07MohammadAGI'm sick of threads about closing threads making users sick of it
21:06.09MohammadAG:P
21:06.45w00t_MohammadAG: lol
21:06.58w00t_meta discussions about discussions are always a bit like that
21:07.02SpeedEvilhttp://www.mindhacks.com/blog/files/2005/09/giantsquid.jpg
21:08.49MohammadAGw00t_, if only I could close that thread :P
21:08.56MohammadAGthe squid fell on him ^
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21:09.27w00t_I'm wondering if SD69 forgot his tinfoil hat
21:09.30MohammadAGhe survived it!
21:09.40MohammadAGSpeedEvil, <MohammadAG> the squid fell on him ^
21:12.26opdf2how many amps does n900 draw when under full load?
21:12.27SpeedEvilopdf2: Around 1.
21:12.27opdf2this car charger I have cant seem to charge with 500mA
21:12.27SpeedEvilmaybe a hair more
21:12.27opdf2okay I see
21:12.38SpeedEvilThat's a seperate issue
21:12.55SpeedEvilIt needs to short the D+ and D- wires to be accepted as a charger
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21:13.10opdf2No I already have a dumb car charger
21:13.26GAN900w00t_, that guy's a nut
21:13.54opdf2It says "Charging." I just need a higher car charger output
21:14.03w00t_GAN900: seen the post I'm talking about?
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21:14.29SpeedEvilopdf2: 500mA should pretty much charge it acceptably fast.
21:14.38GAN900w00t_, not yet, probably.
21:14.53GAN900"acceptably"
21:14.54opdf2but while under full load? It'll only slow down depletion
21:15.00kW_SpeedEvil: thank you, that worked so far :-)
21:15.17kW_Now: Does anybody know which package for maemo contains the "blockdev" command?
21:15.18MiXu-1 amp at full load? That's more than just 100% cpu then. THere's gotta be radios and I/Os and shit simultaneously.
21:15.45kW_("util-linux" does not seem to contain it)
21:15.45SpeedEvilIf you're doing pretty much anything other than sharing 3G it will charge
21:15.45SpeedEvilMiXu-: yes.
21:16.12w00t_GAN900: see msg
21:16.15ali1234mine charges when tethered
21:16.20MiXu-The usual "high load" situation is more like 700mA the last I checked
21:16.21SpeedEvilMiXu-: That's with flashlight on, streaming camera video, while maxing the CPU, with FM transmitter on, and acting as an AP sharing 3G doing bittorrent, with the screen max brightness.
21:16.32MiXu-SpeedEvil: Ok, so you were really trying :D
21:16.46SpeedEvilnaah
21:17.16SpeedEvilI diddn't even bother turning on the keyboard LEDs, notification LED, IR LED, and privacy LEDs, or the vibrator.
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21:18.07opdf2I usually use GPS and stream 3G while driving. Doesn't seem like 500mA is enough. I also used to have an 800mA charger but that broke
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21:20.01jacekowskiopdf2: are you texting while driving as well?
21:20.24opdf2I'm not that good
21:20.43jacekowskihttp://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/P/r/2/texting-while-driving.jpg
21:20.49MohammadAGI tweet while driving
21:21.07lcukyou arent old enough to ride a bmx, let alone drive a car
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21:21.27HtheBhi guys
21:21.28HtheB:)
21:21.28HtheBsup
21:21.32MiXu-I irc while driving
21:21.41HtheBMiXu-, you're nuts
21:21.48FauxFauxI masturbate while driving.
21:22.00MiXu-saves time
21:22.00HtheBFauxFaux ftw!
21:22.06jacekowskihave you ever had sex while driving
21:22.06HtheBrofl
21:22.09MohammadAGlcuk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnout_Paradise
21:22.18HtheBhey guys
21:22.20MiXu-no :(
21:22.22lcuklolz MohammadAG
21:22.29HtheBdoes anyone know about updating firmware from Symbian devices?
21:22.31HtheB(N97)
21:22.36HtheBI have some major problems over here
21:22.39MohammadAGsure
21:22.41jacekowskiHtheB: just ask
21:22.50HtheBI wanted to change a language
21:22.52MohammadAGjust plug it in and hit update
21:22.54HtheBchanged prod code
21:23.01jacekowskithat will fail
21:23.01HtheBtried to update
21:23.12MohammadAG<jacekowski> that will fail nah
21:23.14HtheBjacekowski, it worked for me like a charm before
21:23.28HtheBbut now it just says: you already have the latest firmware
21:23.38MohammadAGThe N97 uses some weird shit, use Pheonix/JAF
21:23.44HtheBbut by default, I could install the firmware again
21:23.49HtheBhmm
21:24.04HtheBdo I need a special box for it?
21:24.57HtheBthe Prod code is changed successfully
21:25.04HtheBso... do I still have to use JAF?
21:25.21HtheBlatest version of Nemesis (NSS) supports N97
21:25.29PHiZiKlol @ irc while driving, wouldn't that be epic :D
21:25.42HtheBI changed some languages on N97 mini lately
21:25.53HtheBit told me: you are on the latest firmware, but you can re install it
21:25.58HtheBso that helped me out
21:26.13HtheBbut.... this time, I can only click on the Exit button :/
21:26.19MohammadAG<HtheB> do I need a special box for it?
21:26.30MohammadAGyou need one that's as legal as the MP3s you're listening to
21:26.48lcukPHiZiK, speech synthesis and recognition would be cool
21:26.54lcukand the typo rate would be about the same
21:27.01HtheB:D
21:27.06MiXu-I saw a guy driving a mini excavator on a public road yesterday
21:27.08HtheByou know what I mean MohammadAG :p
21:27.15MiXu-He's driving ~1000km with that thing
21:27.19lcukMiXu-, the one driving across .fi?
21:27.22SpeedEvillcuk: I offer such a service for just $1/min.
21:27.23lcuk:D
21:27.23MiXu-Yup
21:27.32MiXu-There was a guy walking behind it :D
21:27.33lcukawesome did you beep? :D
21:27.38MiXu-Sure did :D
21:27.51lcukwicked, hes become a bit of a finnish hero
21:28.12MiXu-I figured it would be slow but I didn't think it would be slow enough for someone to keep up with it by walking :D
21:28.17lcukhes heading all the way up to oulu isnt he?
21:28.22MiXu-Kuusamo
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21:29.14MiXu-The trip takes 4 weeks :D
21:29.26MiXu-I hope he has more summer holidays than that.
21:29.40Clasificadohi all again
21:29.43lcukhes fully sponsored up for his epic endeavor tho
21:29.53MiXu-sure
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21:30.08jacekowskithere is nothing epic about it
21:30.13w00t_evening lcuk
21:30.21jacekowskithere are more epic things that somebody can do
21:30.24w00t_(& MiXu-, jacekowski :))
21:30.30jacekowskimorning
21:30.40jacekowskiit'll be morning in couple hours
21:30.45lcukjacekowski, you are only jealous because you didnt do it
21:30.47w00t_true
21:30.48MiXu-evening w00t
21:30.53lcukmorning w00t_ \o
21:31.12w00t_then again
21:31.16w00t_the sun doesn't go down here very well
21:31.21jacekowskilcuk: have you heard about jessica watson?
21:31.25w00t_so I'm just going to start saying "good day"
21:31.30jacekowskilcuk: that's epic
21:32.05lcuksure, but if it had been a gruff 30 year old bloke who did the same
21:32.11lcukhe wouldnt have headlines
21:32.19lcukand he would have had to pay to be rescued
21:32.30jacekowskiwell if he would do it in excavator
21:32.44jacekowskihe would get headlines
21:32.48lcukyes because many people sail around the world
21:33.02jacekowskinot that many do it single handed
21:33.03lcukbut few take excavators on epic adventures
21:33.37MiXu-The guy has a live webcam in the excavator
21:33.51jacekowskiguess i'll take road roller across the europe
21:33.52lcuklink?
21:33.58MiXu-I was trying to find myself from the footage yesterday but couldn't remember the exact spot I saw him at :D
21:34.06lcukjacekowski, a month ago, you wouldv made news
21:34.10MiXu-just a sec
21:34.21lcuknow around the world 100s of people went into offices and said "can we take our digger on a trip"
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21:34.33MiXu-http://bambuser.com/channel/hankokuusamo
21:34.39jacekowskidigger != roadroller
21:35.11lcukahhh, thats your angle
21:35.14lcuki see what you did there
21:35.26MiXu-The guy is constantly talking which is amazing
21:35.40lcukwell MiXu- not much else you can do lol
21:35.45MiXu-On the phone a lot of the time but still :D
21:35.48MohammadAGhmm
21:35.50MiXu-He talks by himself also :D
21:36.06MohammadAGI wonder how much time repartitioning would take
21:36.48vldcnstMiXu-: what kind of vehicle is that?
21:37.34MiXu-vldcnst: http://www.on-kuljetus.com/sunward.jpg
21:37.35MiXu-:D
21:38.02lcukhes like ace rimmer
21:38.06lcuk"what a guy"
21:38.16MiXu-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvsgfT0ZeYE
21:38.43MiXu-The speed cracks me up :D
21:38.43MohammadAGNokia-N900:/# yum install gparted <-- damn this looks awkward :P
21:39.16Clasificadodamn. compiling the kernel takes too much time. im impatient
21:39.18w00t_blinks
21:39.31w00t_a facebrick user requesting my help to evade their country blocking facebook
21:39.36w00t_that's something I didn't expect to see
21:39.50MohammadAGClasificado, 10 minutes on an i5 locked @ 2.80GHz using 6 processes at the same time
21:40.06MohammadAGincluding modules
21:40.11MohammadAGand deb packages
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21:41.53lcukMiXu-, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY
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21:43.28MohammadAGany RPM techies here?
21:43.29MohammadAGhttp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/updates/12/arm/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] PYCURL ERROR 6 - ""
21:43.29MohammadAGTrying other mirror.
21:44.48GAN900Local news: "iPhone G4 release"
21:45.03GAN900Now that'll be some short battery life.
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21:46.15MohammadAGlol lcuk (vid)
21:47.06MiXu-:D
21:47.22MiXu-"Strictly butter side up"
21:47.42lcukred dwarf kicks ass
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21:56.57DocScrutinizer2w00t_: what exactly was it you didn't expect?
21:57.08w00t_DocScrutinizer2: hrrm? oh, facebrick?
21:57.25w00t_I didn't expect to have people contacting me saying "please help me evade my country's censorship", tbh
21:58.07lcukwhat censorship
22:00.02DocScrutinizer2great chinese wall, pakistan madness, pick your favourite out of a dozen
22:00.49jacekowskihttp://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2010/06/182_67319.html
22:01.01jacekowskiwell, i was hosting tor exit node for a while
22:01.13jacekowskiamount of shit that was passing trough it was amazing
22:01.41BugBluehints australia, bangladesh, turkey, germany, netherlands, uk, ...
22:01.42jacekowskiand i totally agree with countries blocking facebook
22:01.52jacekowskifacebook, myspace, hmm
22:01.54jacekowskitwitter
22:01.58jacekowskithat should be banned
22:02.36PHiZiKfacebook, never got what the big deal about it
22:02.47vldcnstno one did
22:02.53lcukDocScrutinizer2, i was asking w00t_ specifically, because the same people censored should be censored for all facebook?
22:03.30jacekowskibtw. is there a tor client for n900?
22:03.43PHiZiKyep
22:03.48SpeedEvilBan TMO~
22:03.51lcukjacekowski, agreeing with censorship for things you approve of might seem cool now
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22:04.37lcukhiya lardman
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22:06.43lardmanhey lcuk
22:07.20*** join/#maemo lardman (~simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman)
22:08.42lcukputs his beer down and boots a ball around the chan
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22:09.14SpeedEvilThat's no ball!
22:09.19DocScrutinizer2FOUL!
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22:09.46SpeedEvilflies down the trench on the surface of the ball.
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22:10.16SpeedEvilturns off the weapons using the power of visual basic.
22:10.39lcuko-O
22:10.43DocScrutinizer2Visual Basic for Anarchists
22:11.15SpeedEvilapt-get install bounce \ Reading package lists... Done \Building dependency tree        \Reading state information... Done \E: Handler silently failed
22:11.18SpeedEvilhmm
22:11.43MiXu-I get the same thing when I try to install Fennec 1.1 Beta :(
22:12.50MiXu-If I do it via appmanager it just gets stuck while installing
22:13.41MiXu-Hm. Or not. I tried again and it worked :o
22:14.23jacekowskiis X-Fade around?
22:25.57lcuklardman, expert opinion
22:25.59lcukrequired
22:26.10lcukwhos the guy in the first picture http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2010/06/09/computer-workstations/
22:26.15lcukis it who i think it is
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22:35.30jacekowskidoes anybody know what is used to build maemo packages
22:35.40jacekowskispecificaly the 1st part that process input from dput
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22:42.34tremnite all, sweet dreams
22:51.17kthomasanyway to get a nokia maps app running on an 810 at this point?
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22:54.50jacekowskii personally would try n900 version in chroot
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22:59.20ljsdofuynsdfufuhis it possible to plug a higher quality recording mic into the n900?
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23:00.04SpeedEvilYou can plug a mic into the headset connection.
23:00.25SpeedEvilI haven';t looked at the maximum quality though. I _think_ it's a 16 bit ADC
23:01.08ljsdofuynsdfufuhyeah, I want to record a concert
23:01.14ljsdofuynsdfufuhand would like something optimal
23:01.24SpeedEvilok - not easily then
23:01.34ljsdofuynsdfufuhI'm surprised at how many random connectors work in that thing
23:01.39SpeedEvilpossibly in the future with a woeking USB host.
23:01.42SpeedEvilNot now.
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23:02.07ljsdofuynsdfufuhwell, for now I'm sure I can get something higher quality than the voice mic
23:02.13SpeedEvilI mwan - you can in principle plug a mic in - not that it will work if you just plug it in
23:02.23SpeedEvilIt will at best be mono.
23:02.33SpeedEvilThere are also bluetooth mics
23:02.41SpeedEvilyou could in principle use one of those
23:03.53SpeedEvilHowever - that won't have supported software - so you'd need to implement that
23:04.04ljsdofuynsdfufuhwell mono will be best anyway, because I can only be in one place at once with the n900 (unless it has the feature to split myself in two)
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23:04.28ljsdofuynsdfufuhwhat software would you use for recording with the analogue mic in?
23:04.37SpeedEvilI'm unsure.
23:04.55SpeedEvilanything that will record from the headset will work.
23:05.09SpeedEvilI'm unsure if it's of reasonable quality - the A/D though
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23:27.47DocScrutinizer2also you need to take care about micbias setting and type of mic matching. Not any random mic will work
23:28.26SpeedEvilyeah
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23:28.51DocScrutinizer2recording with recorder should probably be fine, if S16 @ 48kHz is used
23:29.41DocScrutinizer2also you'll need an adapter probably, to connect the mic to ring3 + 4(gnd)
23:29.58ljsdofuynsdfufuhyeah, where can I read about how that port works?
23:30.08DocScrutinizer2mompls
23:30.13ljsdofuynsdfufuhit seems to magically be compatible with different types of 1/4" jacks
23:30.16ljsdofuynsdfufuhlol
23:31.02DocScrutinizer2http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf
23:31.13DocScrutinizer2is the best spec I know of
23:31.27DocScrutinizer2Nokia's spec for the AV-connector is based on that one
23:32.50ljsdofuynsdfufuhcool thanks
23:33.00SpeedEvilNot magically, there are internal switches
23:33.27ljsdofuynsdfufuhindeed, they are not magnets
23:33.29ljsdofuynsdfufuh(sorry)
23:33.32crashanddieljsdofuynsdfufuh: last time I'm warning about the nickname
23:33.38ljsdofuynsdfufuhoh shnap
23:33.49shorterforgot it changes back when i log off
23:33.58crashanddienp
23:36.02SpeedEvilMagnets are not magic.
23:36.09konfooah thats fucking great - the power kernel with modest OC can kill your device's battery
23:36.27SpeedEvilThey are based on the distortion of spacetime by the aligned spins of electrons in materials.
23:37.00shorterindeed, terrible reference and I hate memetics
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23:39.17DocScrutinizer2konfoo: uhuh. I'd be more concerned about it killing my CPU though
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23:40.02konfoodoc: yeah well, it can kill your battery as well
23:40.14konfooin fact that didn't take long at all
23:40.22konfoo10 mins running gstreamer encode
23:40.33konfoobattery alert, poweroff, dead battery
23:40.36DocScrutinizer2LOL
23:40.40DocScrutinizer2:-X
23:42.40DocScrutinizer2let's do a little math fancy: batery has ~4Wh, 10min = 0.167h; ergo 4Wh / 0.167h = 24W
23:43.22DocScrutinizer2do you think your device would survive a heating by 24W, for 10min?
23:43.32konfoono, i mean kill as in heat
23:43.39konfoobut nod
23:43.44opdf2Is there a way for sound or some sort of notification when a contact gets online from Gtalk, Skype, etc?
23:44.12konfooand the battery was not drained in 10 mins
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23:49.56MohammadAGopdf2, I guess it could be done with an app, but atm, no
23:54.09lardmannight all
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