| 00:01.24 | jacekowski | mmarc__: what do you need |
| 00:01.43 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I don't know/care *how* BME shuts down, but BME is what triggers it... |
| 00:02.02 | luke-jr | jacekowski: vfp *is* a fpu |
| 00:02.14 | jacekowski | but it's not a same FPU as x86 fpu |
| 00:02.48 | jacekowski | it's like a lorry and a car |
| 00:02.55 | jacekowski | both have 4 wheels and engine |
| 00:02.56 | luke-jr | jacekowski: if GCC can't handle it, what is -mfp=vfp ? |
| 00:03.11 | luke-jr | x86 fpu != fpu |
| 00:03.31 | jacekowski | luke-jr: support for vfp instructions in assembly |
| 00:03.44 | luke-jr | GCC doesn't do assembly |
| 00:03.49 | mmarc__ | jacekowski, well, I need to implement switching precision modes to 24, 53, 64, and rounding modes: chop, up, now and near. Also a switch to turn on/off FPU exceptions |
| 00:03.49 | jacekowski | it does |
| 00:04.03 | luke-jr | no, as does assembly |
| 00:04.06 | MohammadAG51 | oi, go to bed |
| 00:04.27 | mmarc__ | right, fpu also is simply some assembly |
| 00:04.31 | luke-jr | and doesn't require options to enable support for vfp |
| 00:04.40 | mmarc__ | hm |
| 00:04.45 | jacekowski | luke-jr: it does |
| 00:04.51 | jacekowski | luke-jr: otherwise it will do it in software |
| 00:04.56 | luke-jr | jacekowski: 'man as' lists no such options |
| 00:05.04 | luke-jr | only 'man gcc' |
| 00:05.10 | luke-jr | and gcc doesn't do assembly, 'as' does |
| 00:05.20 | jacekowski | inline assembly |
| 00:05.37 | jacekowski | and gcc will fail if you have "unsupported" instructions in it |
| 00:06.06 | jacekowski | mmarc__: there is FPEXC register for exceptions |
| 00:06.22 | mmarc__ | Any examples? I'm going to find some after some sleeeeep... |
| 00:06.50 | jacekowski | ARM programmers manual |
| 00:07.49 | mmarc__ | :) ok |
| 00:07.53 | mmarc__ | thanks! |
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| 00:16.08 | mmarc__ | hmm, also there is a wierd thing: "Error: bad instruction `int $3'" that comes from random source files without explicit assembly code... |
| 00:16.20 | mmarc__ | - a gcc error |
| 00:17.50 | mmarc__ | That's probably produced by assert, I think |
| 00:17.58 | mmarc__ | int 3 is interrupt |
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| 00:48.09 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 00:48.24 | MOUD | Is it possible to run BB services on n900? |
| 00:48.38 | MohammadAG51 | blackberry? |
| 00:48.42 | MOUD | yes |
| 00:48.49 | MohammadAG51 | closed protocol, no |
| 00:48.53 | N900boy | dont think so |
| 00:49.08 | MOUD | so those r rumors then |
| 00:49.26 | N900boy | where did you see that? |
| 00:50.06 | MOUD | someone from work said that |
| 00:50.26 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
| 00:50.42 | MOUD | what exactly is the problem for the BB services to run on n900? |
| 00:50.55 | asj | MOUD: RIM doesn't publish the protocol |
| 00:51.25 | MOUD | asj: I see |
| 00:51.43 | asj | MOUD: iow, they don't tell you how to talk to the BB server, BB client, nothing, for all we know it's BB Server <-- magic --> Phone |
| 00:52.22 | asj | MOUD: and that's how they sell phones, want the service buy the phone |
| 00:52.37 | MOUD | asj: aham |
| 00:52.55 | nextime | in theory remain possibile with reverse eng., but considering how rim mail push work, it is better if noone porte it :) |
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| 00:53.19 | asj | nextime: I thought that involved an sms or something odd like that |
| 00:53.29 | lucent | well... KeePassX bug was closed as WONTFIX |
| 00:53.29 | nextime | asj: probably |
| 00:54.08 | lucent | I don't have the resources to fix the UI for Maemo5 |
| 00:54.16 | nextime | asj: it is also relatively simple to do something like that, the main problem is that to be convenient need operators support |
| 00:54.55 | MOUD | but... what is it that makes BB so popular and unique from other phones? (except the free msg to and from BBs) |
| 00:55.07 | asj | nextime: "back in the day" I'm guessing the bw savings vs real time performance made them jump all over it though |
| 00:55.12 | lucent | asj: I think the Zimbra project implements a BB server |
| 00:55.19 | nextime | asj: anyway, i was referring to the privacy complicance on put your email on a third party server if you can't pay for a rim-enabled private one |
| 00:55.23 | lucent | protocol info might be published, or might not |
| 00:55.57 | nextime | lucent : it implement it, but only in the non-open source part and with an agreement with rim |
| 00:56.29 | lucent | MOUD: in the US it is often the case that Sprint as a carrier markets BB devices and plans to Businesses with lowest group rates |
| 00:56.55 | MOUD | lucent: I mean worldwide |
| 00:56.59 | lucent | yeah that I don't know |
| 00:57.59 | nextime | MOUD : i can just say that here (italy) bb is popular couse is the only very cheap from long time way to have email on mobile |
| 00:59.30 | nextime | i also have a bb, but i'm trying to find a good rate to sobstitute it with my n900 and/or my android device... |
| 01:00.05 | MOUD | nextime: aham |
| 01:00.27 | lucent | I suspect it's chicken-and-egg |
| 01:00.37 | lucent | carriers push BB to businesses |
| 01:00.54 | lucent | later in time, businesses know that other businesses use BB, that's what they want too |
| 01:01.16 | lucent | carriers keep using BB because all businesses want it |
| 01:01.18 | nextime | lucent : chickend and egg is more simple. Evolution say that the egg is born before. |
| 01:01.19 | nextime | :D |
| 01:01.39 | lucent | nextime: not in southern USA |
| 01:02.01 | nextime | lucent : creationists? |
| 01:02.42 | nextime | lucent : the answer is that creationists are in the evolution road before also the egg. |
| 01:03.08 | lucent | in the "Derp Souf" a vote passed to replace education text books with published accounts that are more favorable to creationism and the idea of National um... how do I say it without making it sound like Adolf Hitler? USA supremacy |
| 01:03.56 | nextime | lucent : sadly i can't translate a phrase that the old people say here... |
| 01:04.05 | lucent | hmm... try |
| 01:04.15 | nextime | something like "the mother of the idiots is ever pregnant" |
| 01:04.15 | lucent | even a literal translation, it would be interesting to me? |
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| 01:04.22 | lucent | ha! yeah |
| 01:04.33 | lucent | that would be, the WHOLE united states right there |
| 01:05.45 | nextime | finally has compiled the new kernel! |
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| 01:09.07 | nextime | is there any light office application for maemo? |
| 01:09.12 | nextime | ( a free one ) |
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| 01:11.14 | ptl | I never understood something from Hildon Application Manager |
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| 01:11.38 | ptl | when it is up to update a bunch of packages, it asks for permission ("I understand" etc.) only for the first package |
| 01:12.03 | ptl | then proceeds updating every package, even the ones for which you didn't explicitly mark as Ok |
| 01:12.30 | ptl | IANAL but I think this way they cannot enforce any agreement on the user. |
| 01:12.58 | SpeedEvil | I submitted a bug for that |
| 01:13.07 | SpeedEvil | it was WONTFIXED |
| 01:13.19 | ptl | what was the justification? |
| 01:13.21 | pigeon | when does modest download attachments in e-mails? |
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| 01:13.30 | SpeedEvil | 'meh - too hard' |
| 01:13.33 | SpeedEvil | Or something |
| 01:13.35 | nextime | ptl: i don't know the hildon app manager, but i suspect that it is a mere frontend on apt, so, on update, it is just like do an "apt-get upgrade" |
| 01:13.37 | ptl | ugh |
| 01:13.52 | nextime | so, it ask only one time for the whole upgrade |
| 01:13.56 | ptl | nextime: Yes, I know, but the point is about agreeing to the terms of the software package |
| 01:14.06 | SpeedEvil | More likley 'conforms to internal style guide' or something |
| 01:14.39 | nextime | ouch, 3:14am here. Night guys. |
| 01:14.51 | ptl | good night |
| 01:14.53 | ptl | 22:14 here |
| 01:15.19 | MohammadAG51 | 4:15 :P |
| 01:15.29 | MohammadAG51 | night nextime |
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| 01:15.51 | GAN900 | nextime, not quite. |
| 01:16.00 | GAN900 | nextime, its update logic is a little different. |
| 01:16.01 | SpeedEvil | bug 10262 |
| 01:16.02 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10262 Installing multiple apps at once - the disclaimer title is incorrect. |
| 01:16.18 | GAN900 | nextime, so, no, it doesn't behave exactly like apt. |
| 01:17.08 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, "UI specifications" is the evil word you're looking for. |
| 01:17.21 | SpeedEvil | yes, that |
| 01:17.32 | SpeedEvil | Are these public? |
| 01:17.35 | SpeedEvil | I assume not |
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| 01:19.00 | GAN900 | No |
| 01:19.16 | GAN900 | They're, like, thousands of pages long and really stupid apparently |
| 01:19.26 | GAN900 | So it's probably just as well. |
| 01:19.40 | GAN900 | I'm so fscking tired of hearing it as a justification |
| 01:19.55 | GAN900 | "Well then it's a bug in the spec!!" |
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| 01:20.57 | tgalal | Hey I'm having a presentation tomorrow and would like to use something like BlueMaemo for slide transition. BlueMaemo is good but because right and left button are on the touchscreen, it's hard to press without having to look on the phone. Is there a way to use the volume keys for traversing presentation slides ??? |
| 01:20.59 | SpeedEvil | ponders submitting a bug. 'One or more UI specification writers is clinically insane'. |
| 01:21.34 | SpeedEvil | DUPL, or WONTFIX? |
| 01:21.38 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I think management is more to blame. |
| 01:21.45 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:21.57 | GAN900 | They'll just ignore it |
| 01:22.00 | SpeedEvil | You can't sanely write a spec with no itneraction with users or coders. |
| 01:22.13 | GAN900 | Or somebody will mark it INVALID |
| 01:22.18 | SpeedEvil | It needs to be a back and forth thing. |
| 01:22.19 | GAN900 | Ehehe |
| 01:22.22 | GAN900 | Yes you can |
| 01:22.24 | GAN900 | It's Nokia |
| 01:22.28 | GAN900 | cries |
| 01:22.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:23.01 | SpeedEvil | Well - there's always mer. |
| 01:23.07 | SpeedEvil | Or is it meego this week. :) |
| 01:23.11 | GAN900 | Not really |
| 01:23.13 | GAN900 | :P |
| 01:23.17 | GAN900 | MeeGo, ugh. |
| 01:23.59 | SpeedEvil | It's a shame that more of what is actually open wasn't signposted early on. |
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| 01:24.11 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 01:24.20 | SpeedEvil | It's easy to assume without thinking hard - and I did - that hildon must be closed. |
| 01:24.23 | GAN900 | Nokia sucks at advertising their own strengths. |
| 01:24.26 | SpeedEvil | And some bits of it are - true |
| 01:24.32 | SpeedEvil | But much isn't |
| 01:24.43 | SpeedEvil | And modest, ... isn't. |
| 01:24.45 | GAN900 | and so many of us have been around so long we've lost perspective |
| 01:24.49 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:24.50 | GAN900 | Easy to assume |
| 01:25.09 | SpeedEvil | Even microb isn't - though I can't seem to find sources for that. |
| 01:25.15 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 01:25.27 | GAN900 | The browser-ui was supposed to be open initially |
| 01:25.33 | GAN900 | But that didn't pan out |
| 01:25.45 | GAN900 | then it was supposed to be open with Fremantle |
| 01:25.48 | GAN900 | But wasn't |
| 01:25.52 | GAN900 | It's on Garage |
| 01:26.02 | jpinx-eeepc | lurks in here while searching for a 2nd hand n900 |
| 01:26.16 | SpeedEvil | A seemingly old version is on garage. I'm not sure if that's current code. |
| 01:26.35 | SpeedEvil | browser-ui is the stuff that does zoom/pan? |
| 01:26.54 | SpeedEvil | microb is the bit that merely renders to an image? |
| 01:27.11 | SpeedEvil | (well - of course - that's the hard bit) |
| 01:28.10 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: I supect any coming up on ebay will go quite fast. |
| 01:28.31 | SpeedEvil | I note that the price has gone down a bit int he UK |
| 01:28.32 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I'm in Thailand ;) |
| 01:28.37 | SpeedEvil | (from nokia.co.uk |
| 01:28.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:28.50 | SpeedEvil | Is there ebay in thailand? |
| 01:28.56 | jpinx-eeepc | looking in the markets here - there are some..... |
| 01:29.29 | SpeedEvil | There are lots of 'nokla n900' around. |
| 01:29.30 | jpinx-eeepc | how much of my limited debian knowledge will transfer be useful in maemo? |
| 01:29.39 | SpeedEvil | Check it's not advertising dual-sim :) |
| 01:30.03 | SpeedEvil | Maemo is - pretty much - a desktop linux system running on a phone. |
| 01:30.44 | SpeedEvil | To the extent that you can with a stock 1.2 install, with about 6 commands be rebuilding the kernel on the device |
| 01:31.01 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I have seen some good-looking non nokia n900's ;) |
| 01:31.17 | SpeedEvil | echo sdkrepodetails >/etc/apt/whererver |
| 01:31.27 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install build-essentials, ... |
| 01:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Dual SIM would be a handy feature |
| 01:31.45 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: cool - it's an apt based install system? |
| 01:32.05 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 01:32.17 | SpeedEvil | The stock application manager is a wrapper round apt. |
| 01:32.25 | jpinx-eeepc | are there genuine n900s with dual sim? |
| 01:32.34 | MohammadAG51 | no |
| 01:32.41 | jpinx-eeepc | thought not.... |
| 01:33.16 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - looks like they are going for 250 quid or so on ebay |
| 01:33.25 | SpeedEvil | used |
| 01:33.25 | ohwhyme | the n900? |
| 01:33.25 | jpinx-eeepc | I'll be in a different market today and will see what's aaround |
| 01:33.28 | ohwhyme | that is sooo cheap |
| 01:33.40 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:33.48 | SpeedEvil | http://completed.shop.ebay.co.uk/Mobile-Phones-/3312/i.html?LH_ItemCondition=2&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=n900&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m283&_rdc=1 |
| 01:34.08 | jpinx-eeepc | I got offered a N86 8Mb for US$235 a couple of days ago, but it's symbian |
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| 01:34.55 | Termana | good morning |
| 01:35.00 | jpinx-eeepc | I'll let you know what prices I get offered n900s at if I find any |
| 01:35.16 | ohwhyme | can u even unlock the n900 by urself? |
| 01:35.45 | ohwhyme | a lot of them are locked to a provider on ebay |
| 01:35.48 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: it's not usually locked |
| 01:36.21 | SpeedEvil | I know some are 'locked' to coda - but I'm not sure what that involves |
| 01:36.22 | jpinx-eeepc | over here nothing is locked |
| 01:36.23 | SpeedEvil | voda |
| 01:37.10 | jpinx-eeepc | there is an IMEI-based code that allows you to unlock most mobiles, not sure about n900s specifically though |
| 01:40.11 | ohwhyme | so how is the usb otg project going? |
| 01:40.19 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53240&highlight=vodafone+firmware says the voda ones are not in fact locked. |
| 01:40.22 | SpeedEvil | you can flash |
| 01:40.29 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: progressing slowly |
| 01:40.43 | ohwhyme | ah |
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| 01:49.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n900/specifications#hardware-dim - says 'photo editor on device' |
| 01:49.34 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I suppose you can crop them. |
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| 01:51.11 | ponyofdeath | hi guys how do i add an irc channel to the my n900 i have the server set up but dont see where i set up an channel |
| 01:51.52 | SpeedEvil | You mean int he conversations app? |
| 01:51.58 | ponyofdeath | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 01:52.10 | ponyofdeath | SpeedEvil: do i have to add contact that is #channelname ? |
| 01:52.14 | SpeedEvil | I just use xchat - the conversations app is very broken |
| 01:52.18 | SpeedEvil | For IRC |
| 01:52.36 | SpeedEvil | I tried it once, and it diddn't basically work at all for channels for me. |
| 01:52.44 | ponyofdeath | well i have irssi as well but it would be nice to get the conversations one |
| 01:52.53 | SpeedEvil | It might have gotten better. |
| 01:53.02 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: is it possible to run irssi/bitlbee in a screen session? |
| 01:53.07 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - not played with it |
| 01:53.08 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:53.16 | SpeedEvil | points at ponyofdeath. |
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| 01:53.50 | jpinx-eeepc | iirc xchat is not too good |
| 01:54.17 | luke-jr | neither is irssi |
| 01:54.45 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: what's the deal between maemo and meego ? |
| 01:55.14 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: Maemo is dead. MeeGo is RPM. |
| 01:55.17 | luke-jr | they both suck. |
| 01:55.25 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: not getting into an irc-client war, but I've been using irssi with bitlbee for years without a hiccup |
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| 01:55.33 | SpeedEvil | Meego is an intel/nokia collaboration to make a etter platform. |
| 01:55.38 | SpeedEvil | better |
| 01:55.45 | luke-jr | "better" |
| 01:55.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not officially coming to the n900 |
| 01:55.55 | ponyofdeath | jpinx-eeepc: whats bitlbee? |
| 01:55.58 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yeah - well - that's what they're saying |
| 01:56.08 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: is it open source - apart from the nokia drivers I suppose? |
| 01:56.23 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 01:56.24 | infobot | it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 01:56.25 | SpeedEvil | see that |
| 01:56.25 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: drivers are all that matter |
| 01:56.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ponyofdeath: see bitlbee.org - it's a way to connect any messenger to an irc client |
| 01:56.47 | SpeedEvil | Drivers are all that matters - if you're willing to reinvent the whole software stack. |
| 01:57.11 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: have you written any drivers for nokia hardware? |
| 01:57.22 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: sure |
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| 01:57.51 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: more like ported, actually |
| 01:58.08 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: the closed ones cannot be replaced, however |
| 01:58.08 | jpinx-eeepc | it would be good to get an open-scource OS onto the n900 |
| 01:58.15 | luke-jr | since Nokia/etc refuse to release the specs needed to write them |
| 01:58.24 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: probably will never happen |
| 01:58.34 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: :( |
| 01:58.42 | SpeedEvil | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/10/0021228/ATT-Leaks-Emails-Addresses-of-114000-iPad-Users ... |
| 01:58.48 | luke-jr | even if Nokia stopped being a jerk, there's still the PowerVR company |
| 01:58.55 | ponyofdeath | jpinx-eeepc: thx |
| 01:59.40 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: fairysnuff - I'm only starting to get to know the setup between nokia and it's hardware supplies and driver writers... |
| 02:00.18 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: I'm trying to get Linux to run on N810 |
| 02:00.38 | jpinx-eeepc | as you can see I'm on an eeepc (with debian) and want to get more portable |
| 02:02.00 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: one requirement for me is a reasonable camera so I don't have to carry 2 bits of kit. I'd love to get a N86 8Mb, but it runs symbian |
| 02:02.47 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: I'm still looking for a device that meets my requirements |
| 02:02.58 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: I want basically an updated Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 |
| 02:03.41 | jpinx-eeepc | googles |
| 02:04.40 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: that's the same size as my eeepc |
| 02:04.45 | luke-jr | it is? |
| 02:04.53 | luke-jr | C760 fits comfortably in my pocket |
| 02:05.28 | jpinx-eeepc | looks again... |
| 02:06.05 | SpeedEvil | The camera on the n900 isn't bad for a phone camera. |
| 02:06.14 | lucent | it's farking great |
| 02:06.37 | SpeedEvil | It's around 2-3MP in reality. |
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| 02:06.56 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: the side card slot is CompactFlash, not PCMCIA/CardBus/etc |
| 02:07.49 | lucent | ugh CompactFail |
| 02:08.03 | lucent | I had the wifi CF card and all that |
| 02:08.12 | luke-jr | I concur, my 802.11b CF is broken I think |
| 02:08.13 | SpeedEvil | lucent: Being able to take a pic, and flickr it in a couple of clicks is nice. |
| 02:08.19 | luke-jr | but for $20, not too bad |
| 02:08.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4687082204/ |
| 02:08.45 | SpeedEvil | needs to work out what these flowers are. |
| 02:09.06 | lucent | snapdragons? |
| 02:09.16 | lucent | naw |
| 02:09.26 | SpeedEvil | That's a quite acceptable shot that stands up well at 1024x768 even. |
| 02:09.41 | SpeedEvil | And I basically took that off-hand. |
| 02:09.59 | luke-jr | 1024x768 is crap for photos |
| 02:10.04 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: cool device... |
| 02:10.05 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:10.22 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, for 2003 :p |
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| 02:10.54 | luke-jr | 64 MB RAM, 128 or 256 MB storage, no builtin wifi, etc |
| 02:11.30 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I have a digicam that is almost permanently set for 1Mb filesize and I get excellent photos |
| 02:11.46 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: I'd like one with 512+ MB RAM, some GB of internal storage, builtin 802.11n and 3G/4G, etc :) |
| 02:11.49 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: I see what you mean about needing it updated.. |
| 02:12.09 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: even a 2MP camera that can do 3* optical zoom - say |
| 02:12.18 | lucent | luke-jr: so, you want an iPhone 4 |
| 02:12.25 | luke-jr | lucent: no, iPhone sucks |
| 02:12.32 | lucent | it's fantastic |
| 02:12.36 | luke-jr | the only thing worse than a bad keyboard is no keyboard |
| 02:12.51 | luke-jr | curiously, Nokia made a N810 with 4G support, but N900 only has 3G ;p |
| 02:12.59 | jpinx-eeepc | does a n900 accept and external keyboard? |
| 02:13.07 | lucent | luke-jr: you're referring to WiMax? |
| 02:13.12 | luke-jr | lucent: yeah |
| 02:13.20 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: Bluetooth |
| 02:13.24 | lucent | I live in one of the only places nationally (USA) that you can get a WiMax service plan |
| 02:13.42 | luke-jr | lucent: one of many, now that Sprint and various others are deploying it |
| 02:13.44 | lucent | it's the most awful deployment of a technology I've ever seen |
| 02:13.57 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: cool that'll make life easier - what about an external monitor? |
| 02:14.04 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: don't think so |
| 02:14.17 | SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: Not officially. |
| 02:14.20 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: honestly, N900 is too small among many other issues I have with it |
| 02:14.30 | lucent | slow... not mobile, you can't just walk around with it |
| 02:14.36 | SpeedEvil | With USB host, it may be possible to use displaylink adaptors |
| 02:14.44 | jpinx-eeepc | I plug my eeepc into external kbd and screen and it acts as a desktop |
| 02:14.47 | lucent | costs $50/mo more than comparable other plans |
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| 02:15.09 | jpinx-eeepc | it'd be cool to get the n900 to do the same |
| 02:15.28 | luke-jr | I'd also like one of those new Snapdragons :p |
| 02:15.35 | luke-jr | the 1.5 GHz dual core would work well |
| 02:15.45 | lucent | jpinx-eeepc: might happen when N900 Host USB mode gets filled out more |
| 02:15.45 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: too small as in kbd/screen? |
| 02:15.50 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 02:16.26 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: I have been holding off the n900 because of big hands/bad eyesight too ;) |
| 02:16.41 | SpeedEvil | I am divided about the size. |
| 02:16.47 | jpinx-eeepc | but an external kbd will help a lot |
| 02:16.48 | luke-jr | N810 is too small IMO |
| 02:16.51 | luke-jr | let alone N900 |
| 02:16.57 | SpeedEvil | The screen covering more of the bezel is a no-brainer |
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| 02:17.19 | SpeedEvil | However - that buys you maybe 900*480 at best |
| 02:17.19 | jpinx-eeepc | and if the usbhost-thingy project gets working it'll be very good |
| 02:17.51 | luke-jr | I wonder if IS01 specs are more announced... |
| 02:17.54 | SpeedEvil | For me - the size is just about right. |
| 02:18.15 | lucent | jpinx-eeepc: If you get a N900, I'm going to guess you'd use the stylus often |
| 02:18.29 | jpinx-eeepc | lucent: or a sharp stick ;) |
| 02:18.33 | lucent | PRO-TIP, don't use the built-in stylus, it's too expensive to replace |
| 02:19.01 | luke-jr | lucent: if you don't use it, it doesn't matter what the replacement cost is... |
| 02:19.02 | SpeedEvil | I have actually got a sharp stick that I use as a stylus. |
| 02:19.18 | SpeedEvil | I mislaid the old one, so I whittled a new one. |
| 02:19.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm sure a toothpick will suffice |
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| 02:19.31 | lucent | SpeedEvil: was that yours out of a chopstick on the forums? |
| 02:19.37 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:19.44 | lucent | it was gold, whoever that was |
| 02:19.46 | SpeedEvil | I used some wood from a japanese maple. |
| 02:19.52 | lucent | ^_^ |
| 02:20.16 | lucent | I actually did misplace my original and ordered a set of 3 replacements, 25euro shipped to the US |
| 02:20.36 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: Arty-crafty ec0-friendly stylus - nice :) |
| 02:20.57 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3857925902/in/set-72157619014273807/ - this one specifically. |
| 02:21.23 | lucent | ugh, Flickr requires login |
| 02:21.32 | lucent | I tried, too bad, not going to |
| 02:21.33 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 02:21.44 | jpinx-eeepc | picpaste |
| 02:21.44 | SpeedEvil | lucent: retry - I made it public |
| 02:21.49 | luke-jr | BAH |
| 02:21.55 | luke-jr | IS01 is a mere 256 MB RAM |
| 02:25.51 | lucent | I've missed an hour of "Avatar", I could bicycle to the theater, there's still another 2 hours of it |
| 02:26.08 | Termana | Hmm 6 minute oral presentation on an important issue |
| 02:26.15 | Termana | Free software anyone? |
| 02:26.16 | Termana | :P |
| 02:26.37 | SpeedEvil | Termana: To who? |
| 02:26.52 | Termana | SpeedEvil, English teacher |
| 02:27.25 | Termana | She might be bored to death if i make it about free software though, so I don't think thats a great topic to do |
| 02:27.38 | SpeedEvil | I suggest http://wooferhouse.net/Links/taming-foxes.html - updated as related to life in the inner city. |
| 02:28.16 | SpeedEvil | Significant changes were observed in foxes in as little as 20 generations. |
| 02:28.29 | SpeedEvil | Humans have been living in cities for well over 500 years. |
| 02:28.43 | SpeedEvil | This is plenty of time for some evoluion of resident populations to occur. |
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| 02:39.11 | Termana | SpeedEvil, but whats the issue. There has to be a central issue that has to be talked about in the oral. Some example we've been given: Euthanasia, Gambling, Alcohol, Homelessness, Gun control, Enviroment, "the drug debate", Consumer rights, Sexuality |
| 02:39.25 | Termana | examples* |
| 02:39.54 | Termana | Fox evolution doesn't seem like an issue... :P |
| 02:40.00 | SpeedEvil | eugenics |
| 02:40.05 | SpeedEvil | As we're practicing it |
| 02:40.32 | SpeedEvil | We are selecting for certain behaviours - especially in some inner cities with low generation times. |
| 02:41.08 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: the kbd on that sharp looks almost useable... |
| 02:41.16 | lucent | SpeedEvil: fatness, laziness, absurd wealth, willingness of wives to accept surgical implants |
| 02:41.22 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: the C760's sure was |
| 02:41.27 | lucent | oh again don't mind me I'm a Yank |
| 02:42.29 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: I going to see about a n900 and a bluetooth kbd - there is no way I can cope with that little slide out jobbie |
| 02:43.00 | SpeedEvil | I'm surprised. I'm up to around 30wpm on it |
| 02:43.14 | lucent | same |
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| 02:43.23 | lucent | was 2 week period of awkwardness |
| 02:43.34 | jpinx-eeepc | you haven't seen my hands ;) |
| 02:44.08 | jpinx-eeepc | even the eeepc kbd is a challenge |
| 02:44.17 | lucent | worst thing is trying to type in dollar amounts with US notation $N,NNN,NNN.NN |
| 02:44.36 | Termana | luke-jr, The C760 just looks like almost a netbook size. Why not just get a netbook |
| 02:44.48 | luke-jr | Termana: cuz netbooks don't fit in my pocket |
| 02:44.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Termana: it's a lot smaller |
| 02:44.52 | lucent | FnFnNFn,FnFnNNNFn,FnFnNNNFn.FnFnNNFn |
| 02:44.56 | lucent | makes me crazy |
| 02:45.04 | SpeedEvil | lucent: |
| 02:45.22 | SpeedEvil | well - with 1.2 - that can be just hold-keys |
| 02:45.34 | lucent | hold keys makes me crazy on the terminal |
| 02:45.42 | Termana | jpinx-eeepc, luke-jr - hmm, maybe the picture just makes it look big |
| 02:45.57 | SpeedEvil | lucent: I would love to trim the hold time to around 2/3 of what it is |
| 02:45.59 | SpeedEvil | maybe 1/2 |
| 02:46.02 | lucent | it just seems as though my N900 is aiming for my institutionalization in a psychiatric ward |
| 02:46.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Termana: it does - look here - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7162 |
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| 03:17.47 | ENTERANICK | ytu |
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| 03:20.14 | ENTERANICK | hello? |
| 03:20.38 | ENTERANICK | 482 users idling huh |
| 03:20.43 | ENTERANICK | cya |
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| 03:33.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: hold_keys? omg. that takes even longer than the Fn dance |
| 03:35.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | is the keyboard driver OSS? |
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| 03:38.33 | luke-jr | lol |
| 03:39.01 | sx0n|home | hm. http://www.intomobile.com/2010/02/17/qualcomm-there-will-be-a-nokia-symbian-phone-this-year-with-snapdragon.html |
| 03:39.25 | sx0n|home | difficult to believe that ^ |
| 03:39.48 | sx0n|home | ..but, why not. |
| 03:39.53 | luke-jr | why? |
| 03:40.01 | luke-jr | Snapdragon easily beats anything TI has |
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| 03:41.19 | sx0n|home | luke-jr: they said it in the article, there has been law issues. |
| 03:41.56 | sx0n|home | luke-jr: ti's multicore arm is not bad either. |
| 03:42.25 | luke-jr | you mean the one that doesn't exist? |
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| 03:43.14 | sx0n|home | i have read about it at least |
| 03:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, mind citing that? :) |
| 03:45.58 | GeneralAntilles | Snapdragon has less cache and fewer integrated pieces. |
| 03:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | So that claim is pretty much bunk. |
| 03:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | They're basically on par. |
| 03:46.34 | luke-jr | fewer integrated pieces? like GSM, 802.11, GPS, etc? :p |
| 03:47.04 | luke-jr | anyhow, I haven't seen any real TI offering to compete with 1.5 GHz x2 |
| 03:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | Like DSP and GPU |
| 03:47.22 | GeneralAntilles | Er, yeah. |
| 03:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | Because that's actually shipping in something. |
| 03:52.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck MHz. Use decent performance tests |
| 03:55.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray Google Alerts |
| 03:55.09 | GeneralAntilles | I get to see weird people use me to justify weird positions on -users. |
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| 04:55.04 | dr34m | somebody got a working fish encryption module for xchat for maemo already ? |
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| 05:21.47 | tekojo | Morning! |
| 05:25.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | morning |
| 05:25.32 | Stskeeps | morn tekojo |
| 05:25.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: delete event fails in alarmed |
| 05:26.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: sorting of menus is weird - like "second, day, hour, week" |
| 05:27.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | presets are great |
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| 05:30.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | a funny idea I had for command to execute: completion based on ~/*sh.history |
| 05:32.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | note to self: check if xterm can force shell to save history on focus-lost |
| 05:36.40 | LiraNuna | oooh, mBarcode works nicely |
| 05:37.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 05:37.56 | LiraNuna | too bad it starts the camera+flash even if the door is closed :| |
| 05:38.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh! |
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| 05:39.14 | LiraNuna | and it still opens the camera app if i open it while it's on |
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| 05:41.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | camera-gui is greedy, nasty, and a general PITA. |
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| 06:30.53 | pigeon | does anyone know where i can find the list of tweaks with the n900 screen rotation, like speed and smoothness stuff like that? |
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| 06:37.42 | mikki-kun | pigeon: do you mean transition control? |
| 06:41.33 | pigeon | i'm not sure to be honest, i just remember reading a page about things you can tweak, and those numbers are in gconf somewhere |
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| 06:44.55 | nextime | question: in your opinion, will maemo in any way ( a fork? ) developed anyway in the future even with the event of meego adopted as primary platform from nokia? |
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| 06:45.44 | Stskeeps | nextime: community SSU, maybe, but forking a closed source OS is difficult |
| 06:46.07 | nextime | Stskeeps : closed? which things are closed in maemo? |
| 06:46.41 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 06:47.07 | nextime | i need to rtfm something more about it... anyway, i'm sad about the lose of the "debian based" thing on meego |
| 06:47.24 | Stskeeps | meh, spend some time with the rpm tools and packaging and it's actually nicer |
| 06:47.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:47.37 | Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html |
| 06:47.50 | nextime | Stskeeps : yes, but as a long time debian user ( from when debian exists ) on all my pc/servers |
| 06:48.04 | nextime | i prefer to have a debian based system even on my phone :) |
| 06:48.09 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 06:48.50 | nextime | Stskeeps : consider that the "debian based" os is the primary reason on my choice for nokia n900... |
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| 07:10.50 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:19.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:25.11 | mece | Jaffa, morning. |
| 07:25.26 | mece | Anyone want to test my modified libhildonfm2? |
| 07:25.51 | Dassu | what type of media player plugin does Mobile firefox have? |
| 07:26.17 | Appiah | mece: modified for what |
| 07:27.04 | Dassu | I see it most likely has none :/ |
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| 07:27.27 | Dassu | Definitately need for a gecko mediaplayer is great |
| 07:28.38 | mece | Appiah, to show filename extensions |
| 07:28.48 | mece | http://twitpic.com/1vc5m5 |
| 07:29.03 | Appiah | cool |
| 07:29.15 | Appiah | but I'd bet thats for PR1.2 |
| 07:29.26 | Appiah | (still not updated) |
| 07:29.40 | mece | Appiah, well, you need some updated hildon libs for it to run, so I guess so. |
| 07:29.46 | mece | Appiah, so update. |
| 07:29.49 | red | why cant i delete all the connections |
| 07:30.09 | mece | red, internet connections? |
| 07:30.32 | red | i mean, ihave connection A set as default, yet it always connects to B which doesnt work |
| 07:30.42 | Appiah | mece: not yet :) |
| 07:30.45 | red | both have the delete option grayed out |
| 07:31.11 | mece | red, fAPN problem? |
| 07:31.20 | red | i think the other one came when i tried the fmms app (its called MMS) |
| 07:31.34 | mece | red, uninstall fAPN |
| 07:31.54 | red | fmms isnt installed and cant see fapn in the list |
| 07:32.05 | red | ill see what apt-get says |
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| 07:32.45 | mece | red, perhaps fapn is included in fmms these days? I forget how it works. Havent used it lately. |
| 07:33.02 | red | fapn not installed |
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| 07:33.35 | red | wonder in where the connections are stored if i could delete it manually |
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| 07:50.34 | mece | red, well first remove fmms. |
| 07:53.23 | MiXu- | You can remove the non working APNs using gconf-tool2 |
| 07:54.30 | MiXu- | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=39737&page=3 |
| 07:56.49 | solrize | http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/06/09/nokia.house.shows.s.series.c7.e7.x7.and.n9/ new nokia phone roadmap? |
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| 08:04.46 | mece | frals, ping |
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| 08:11.10 | crashanddie | solrize: old news |
| 08:11.18 | solrize | is there any more info |
| 08:11.18 | solrize | ? |
| 08:12.33 | crashanddie | it's a rumour |
| 08:12.51 | solrize | well ok, that presentation seems to be new though |
| 08:12.56 | solrize | not that it says anything interesting |
| 08:13.30 | crashanddie | well, for all we know, it could be an economy bachelor's end-of-studies project |
| 08:13.34 | crashanddie | certainly looks like it |
| 08:13.41 | crashanddie | No Nokia branding, no copyright notice |
| 08:13.56 | solrize | ic |
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| 08:14.06 | solrize | http://www.nokiaphones.net/nokia-n9-first-phone-on-meego/ more of the same |
| 08:14.11 | Termana | You would be deeply wrong to think that it says nothing. |
| 08:14.16 | Termana | If you actually look |
| 08:14.25 | Termana | It shows, Nokia is building an unstable house |
| 08:15.10 | crashanddie | Termana: what's even worse, they know there's problems with it. "Faible" is french for "weak" |
| 08:15.47 | crashanddie | also, there's no way that chimney is going to stay put |
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| 08:18.33 | LiraNuna | what's Harmattan? "PR2.0" or MeeGo? |
| 08:18.46 | Duckboot | LiraNuna: Maemo 6 |
| 08:18.58 | LiraNuna | I thought there will be no Maemo 6 |
| 08:19.03 | Duckboot | LiraNuna: Correct |
| 08:19.16 | LiraNuna | confused |
| 08:19.25 | mece | LiraLuna, harmattan is Maemo 6. It's called MeeGo for some reason, eventhough it's not really meego. |
| 08:19.27 | Duckboot | Harmattan was planned before the Nokia-Intel marriage |
| 08:19.49 | LiraNuna | but there's no MeeGo support for N900 |
| 08:19.56 | LiraNuna | does it mean a new device? |
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| 08:20.07 | Duckboot | LiraNuna: Nokia N9 presumably |
| 08:20.12 | Termana | LiraNuna, There IS MeeGo support for N900 |
| 08:20.16 | MohammadAG51 | MeeGo = full open source shit |
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| 08:20.22 | MohammadAG51 | Maemo 6 = closed shit |
| 08:20.24 | Termana | But yes, there is a new device |
| 08:20.26 | LiraNuna | non official* |
| 08:20.29 | Duckboot | No commercial support for N900 |
| 08:20.35 | MohammadAG51 | so basically... |
| 08:20.37 | Termana | and Maemo 6 is not really MeeGo underneath |
| 08:20.46 | MohammadAG51 | MeeGo is kind of like the android we have |
| 08:20.48 | LiraNuna | is even more confused now |
| 08:20.53 | MohammadAG51 | (except it's working) |
| 08:21.09 | mece | MohammadAG51, except it's proper linux, afaict. |
| 08:21.15 | Termana | Duckboot, no commercial support as in, you can't call them up. They are providing people to work on it. |
| 08:21.18 | MohammadAG51 | Maemo 6 would be like Android on google devices (app store etc..) |
| 08:21.37 | LiraNuna | oh, THAT what "commercial support" means? |
| 08:21.38 | Duckboot | Termana: Mmmm - Think so. |
| 08:21.44 | MohammadAG51 | mece, yes, I was using android as a reference |
| 08:22.06 | MohammadAG51 | hopefully ovi will be closed shit and we won't have it |
| 08:22.16 | MohammadAG51 | anyways, i'm sticking to M5 |
| 08:22.26 | Termana | More like, know so. The whole N900 MeeGo team is Nokia employees/contractors |
| 08:22.33 | Termana | Theres like 10 of them |
| 08:22.43 | LiraNuna | MohammadAG51, M5? |
| 08:22.52 | Termana | LiraNuna, Maemo 5... |
| 08:22.54 | MohammadAG51 | Maemo 5, wasn't it obvious? |
| 08:22.55 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 08:23.06 | mece | LiraLuna, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 read that. It's an excellent thread if you ignore the whine. |
| 08:23.08 | LiraNuna | well, there was N9, N8, etc |
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| 08:24.19 | LiraNuna | so MeeGo is going to be 'more open' than Maemo5? |
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| 08:24.28 | Scelt_ | MohammadAG51: have you something to do with usb on-the-go? |
| 08:24.29 | Termana | Also, Nokia are willing to license Maemo 6 for N900 if the community can get it working. So you will probably see Maemo 6 on N900 as well |
| 08:24.44 | Appiah | Maemo 6?huh |
| 08:24.57 | mece | Jaffa, cheers for new hermes! |
| 08:25.09 | MohammadAG51 | Scelt_, it's not OTG.... |
| 08:25.18 | MohammadAG51 | mece, new hermes? OMG |
| 08:25.21 | Scelt_ | MohammadAG51: what then? |
| 08:25.28 | mece | Scelt_, usb host |
| 08:25.29 | Termana | Appiah, Maemo 6 - Harmattan/MeeGo |
| 08:25.39 | Scelt | oknp |
| 08:26.00 | Appiah | Didnt know Maemo 6 = MeeGo |
| 08:26.08 | Scelt | just one day I thought about that kind of thing, to be able to attach a external hdd to my n900 |
| 08:26.10 | Termana | Seriously, this is troublesome. How is it not easy to understand the Harmattan naming situation |
| 08:26.27 | MohammadAG51 | for an HDD you need external power |
| 08:26.39 | Termana | Appiah, Maemo 6 != MeeGo. Only in branding. |
| 08:26.52 | Appiah | ... |
| 08:26.55 | MohammadAG51 | unless it's an SSD |
| 08:26.58 | mece | I'd very much like to dual boot that though. |
| 08:26.59 | Termana | Die in fire |
| 08:27.08 | Appiah | dies |
| 08:27.21 | Scelt | MohammadAG51: yeye, that's not a problem |
| 08:27.32 | MohammadAG51 | sings Still Alive (portal) |
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| 08:30.06 | mece | ok soo.. anyone with pr1.2 wanna test the modified libhildonfm2? I've only tested it on my own phone so far. Works for me. MohammadAG51? DocScrutinizer? |
| 08:30.36 | MohammadAG51 | why us? |
| 08:30.49 | psycho_oreos | probably due to experience ;) |
| 08:30.50 | MohammadAG51 | it's a conspiracy I tell ya |
| 08:31.10 | mece | MohammadAG51, because you want it? |
| 08:31.11 | MohammadAG51 | mece, sure |
| 08:31.11 | mmarc__ | what can we replace asm "int $3" on arm with? |
| 08:31.15 | Termana | MohammadAG51, you have nothing better to do anyway, what are you complaining about? :P |
| 08:31.25 | mece | MohammadAG51, hold on, I'll put the deb somewhere. |
| 08:31.48 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, I do have something better to do, but I'm not sure how to do it xP |
| 08:31.49 | psycho_oreos | has pr1.2 running but the phone is busy repacking all the pre-installed deb files |
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| 08:34.30 | MohammadAG51 | ~curse closed source |
| 08:34.54 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, closed source ! |
| 08:34.54 | mece | I should tell you that there is one annoying sideeffect with switching to the new filemanager. The stupid pr1.2 will come as an update again. |
| 08:35.22 | MohammadAG51 | mece, raise the time stamp in the changelog |
| 08:36.23 | mece | MohammadAG51, hmm I don't think that's the problem. It is listed as newer than the one in pr1.2 anyway. |
| 08:36.44 | mece | MohammadAG51, if I were to make it the same version I'm sure that wouldn't happen, but that would be just wrong. |
| 08:36.52 | MohammadAG51 | mece, don't change the version number |
| 08:37.09 | MohammadAG51 | i think mp-fremantle-generic-pr depends on it |
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| 08:38.31 | mece | MohammadAG51, it does, but I wanted to point out that it's different. Oh well. I'll make another later. wanna try this one? you can undo it by installing the original from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libh/libhildonfm/ anyway |
| 08:39.02 | MohammadAG51 | or just apt-get install it :) |
| 08:39.06 | MohammadAG51 | mece libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.28.18+0m5) |
| 08:39.21 | mece | MohammadAG51, it wasn't in my repos |
| 08:39.37 | MohammadAG51 | I know, I was referring to the original one |
| 08:39.59 | mece | MohammadAG51, for some reason I couldn't install it with apt. |
| 08:40.21 | mece | MohammadAG51, anyway here: http://hedwerks.net/stuff/libhildonfm2_2.28.18+0m5-maemo2_armel.deb |
| 08:41.13 | mece | my build environment is a bit sketchy, so if it bombs, it's probly due to that and not the modifications. |
| 08:41.23 | mece | since they were tiny and simple. |
| 08:42.50 | chem|st | morning |
| 08:43.16 | mece | you'll need to restart something or reboot too.. |
| 08:44.25 | chem|st | Termana: "only in branding"? Maemo6 !=MeeGo in packaging as well |
| 08:45.00 | mece | chem|st, Termana meant that Maemo6 == MeeGo only in branding. |
| 08:45.05 | mece | afaict. |
| 08:45.15 | chem|st | ah that way around... |
| 08:45.26 | chem|st | guess its not only branding |
| 08:45.43 | chem|st | mece: what was libhildonfm2 for? |
| 08:45.55 | mece | chem|st, file manager and file picker/chooser |
| 08:46.07 | chem|st | and your patch does what? |
| 08:46.08 | mece | chem|st, modded to show filename extensions. |
| 08:46.15 | chem|st | ah!!!111 |
| 08:46.20 | chem|st | nice! |
| 08:46.58 | mece | chem|st, :) yes, I'm quite happy with it. I'm wondering what other mods would be nice. |
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| 08:47.22 | mece | Making the descriptive bit under the filename a smaller font perhaps. |
| 08:47.23 | chem|st | everytime I finish a Qt gui someoneelse has the full blown program uploaded to garage, quiet disappointing |
| 08:47.33 | chem|st | I should go to maintain libs! |
| 08:47.36 | mece | chem|st, lol |
| 08:47.40 | mece | chem|st, like what? |
| 08:48.00 | chem|st | fourier transformation I found handy ;) |
| 08:48.22 | mece | how can I see the depends of a deb? particularly mp-fremantle-generic-pr? |
| 08:48.31 | chem|st | or go back to the roots and try some hardware abstraction |
| 08:48.46 | chem|st | apt-cache show mp.... |
| 08:49.11 | chem|st | but dpkg can list that aswell |
| 08:49.14 | mece | chem|st, but how do I see the control file? |
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| 08:49.35 | mece | (should be huge) |
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| 08:51.03 | mece | chem|st, if I ever needed to do fourier transfers, and app would be nice :D Luckily I've already done the maths courses and will not touch that again. |
| 08:51.24 | hrw | yay! garnetVM for n900 |
| 08:51.34 | Stskeeps | url? |
| 08:52.13 | Duckboot | http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ |
| 08:52.13 | mece | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/6668/garnet-vm-working-on-the-nokia-n900/ |
| 08:53.41 | mece | MohammadAG51, did it work or is your phone now a smoking crater? |
| 08:54.00 | MohammadAG51 | it just imploded |
| 08:54.13 | mece | how? |
| 08:54.14 | Macer | yeah.. conservative vs. ondemand showed me that ondemand is better |
| 08:54.19 | MohammadAG51 | do I have to reboot? I don't see a difference |
| 08:54.21 | Macer | heh |
| 08:54.32 | mece | MohammadAG51, or restart some hildon stuff. reboot is what I did. |
| 08:54.49 | Macer | conservative makes the n900 2x slower and doesnt really save any battery life |
| 08:55.06 | MohammadAG51 | conservative? |
| 08:55.12 | chem|st | mece: I need it for signal handling but the program isnt compiling atm |
| 08:55.21 | Macer | for the power governor |
| 08:55.35 | MohammadAG51 | mece, change the version number to the original one, pleeease :P |
| 08:56.54 | mece | MohammadAG51, so it works? |
| 08:57.02 | Macer | does the enhanced kernel have nfs? |
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| 08:57.24 | Macer | or sshfs? :) |
| 08:57.25 | Tachikoma | btw. what is the deal with this smartarray stuff. IT worked fine befoe PR1.2 and does not work anymore for me now. I know it's not supposed to work but i wondered if there are hints what one could try. It nearly doubled my runtime ... |
| 08:58.00 | mece | so.. anyone? how do I see a list of depends from a package? |
| 08:58.04 | Tachikoma | Macer: nfs was already shipped with the device, so I'd assume that it is in the power kernel as well |
| 08:58.11 | Ikarus[N900] | hrm, when I try to get DUN working, I get unable to open host for /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 08:58.29 | mece | MohammadAG51, was hoping to make it work somehow with a better version number, or whatnot. |
| 08:58.34 | Ikarus[N900] | obex works fine though |
| 08:58.47 | MohammadAG51 | mece change mp-fremantle then :P |
| 08:58.55 | Tachikoma | Macer: yes, it comes with nfs |
| 08:59.01 | MohammadAG51 | or make it a separate package that installs somewhere else |
| 08:59.24 | Ikarus[N900] | erm I get host is down that is for /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 08:59.35 | mece | MohammadAG51, I could just rename the package. dpkg won't know what hit it! |
| 08:59.36 | Tachikoma | Macer: for sshfs afaik you need no support on the kernel level at all, just a working ssh server |
| 08:59.46 | mece | s/dpkg/HAM/ |
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| 09:00.15 | mece | I mean it would still overwrite the lib file like we want |
| 09:00.43 | mece | I'll try that. |
| 09:01.02 | Macer | Tachikoma: ive never tried it |
| 09:01.10 | Macer | it would be nie to use |
| 09:01.12 | hrw | Stskeeps: http://www.access-company.com/cgi/gvm.cgi?a=download_eula_now&w=N900&o=OS2009 |
| 09:01.30 | Macer | using sftp kind of sucks.. i would love to stream vs. xfer files |
| 09:01.44 | hrw | Stskeeps: basically it is n810 version but with proper portrait direction |
| 09:01.45 | mece | Stskeeps, is that an official release? |
| 09:02.05 | Stskeeps | what is? |
| 09:02.08 | Macer | only problem with nfs tho is that you are stuck with "user" |
| 09:02.10 | mece | the website looks so shiny.. |
| 09:02.14 | mece | Stskeeps, garnet |
| 09:02.28 | Macer | maemo needs logins with uid/gid stuff :) |
| 09:02.45 | Stskeeps | mece: no cluie |
| 09:03.42 | mece | k |
| 09:04.02 | Macer | mece: just run n900 meego |
| 09:04.08 | Macer | hides |
| 09:04.48 | mece | Macer, I don't really want to run Garnet. I was just curious. |
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| 09:05.14 | hrw | mece: I am using garnet only for Metro ;d |
| 09:06.02 | mece | hrw, what's metro? |
| 09:07.09 | chem|st | hrw: is it up-side-down for you? |
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| 09:08.13 | chem|st | Stskeeps: you are a nokia right? |
| 09:08.21 | Stskeeps | no, i'm not a nokian |
| 09:08.27 | chem|st | nokian I mean |
| 09:08.27 | hrw | mece: http://metro.nanika.net/ |
| 09:08.34 | chem|st | damn |
| 09:08.48 | chem|st | I need s/o to slap some other for me... |
| 09:08.51 | hrw | chem|st: n900 version has proper portrait. n810 was up-down |
| 09:09.20 | chem|st | hrw: I have the n900 version and the bottom is at the usb connector side! |
| 09:10.08 | hrw | chem|st: here it is fine |
| 09:10.22 | chem|st | grml |
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| 09:10.53 | RST38h | moo all |
| 09:11.01 | chem|st | moo |
| 09:11.08 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: do you have 0.2.0-1 or -2 ? |
| 09:11.22 | MohammadAG51 | mece, it worked |
| 09:11.29 | MohammadAG51 | and crashed X somehow |
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| 09:12.08 | BCMM | moo |
| 09:12.41 | TigerTael | Umm, can anyone tell me where chromium went? |
| 09:13.17 | mece | MohammadAG51, crashed? |
| 09:14.01 | Stskeeps | someone sent a cease and desist letter, afaik |
| 09:14.02 | MohammadAG51 | mece, yeah, I'll blame you for the time being |
| 09:14.02 | MohammadAG51 | till I found out what actually caused it |
| 09:14.02 | mece | MohammadAG51, I got a crash the first time I ran it, and nothing after that. |
| 09:14.03 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, for what? chromium? |
| 09:14.08 | mece | MohammadAG51, I opened filemanager, scrolled down really fast, and then it rebooted. |
| 09:14.11 | RST38h | Mohammad: Yes |
| 09:14.20 | MohammadAG51 | RST38h, why |
| 09:14.26 | RST38h | Mohammad: There is some patent troll on the lose, trying to make money on Chrome |
| 09:14.26 | mece | MohammadAG51, if you find the cause, let me know. |
| 09:14.31 | MohammadAG51 | mece, kind of did the same, but it didn't reboot now |
| 09:14.48 | MohammadAG51 | err, -now |
| 09:14.53 | MohammadAG51 | i had to reboot manually |
| 09:14.58 | TigerTael | Stskeeps, oh... |
| 09:15.00 | MohammadAG51 | RST38h, it's open source |
| 09:15.05 | MohammadAG51 | well, chromium is |
| 09:15.36 | mece | MohammadAG51, my actual mod is so small that I don't think it is the problem. Might be some bugs in the build though. It sorta felt like it was indexing or whatnot and I stressed it. |
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| 09:16.34 | mece | to change the name of a package, is it enough to modify the control file? |
| 09:16.40 | MohammadAG51 | mece, now can you please change the number |
| 09:16.43 | MohammadAG51 | lol no |
| 09:16.57 | mece | lolwut? |
| 09:17.05 | MohammadAG51 | well yes, but you'll have to adjust debian/rules |
| 09:17.17 | mece | ok. will check that. |
| 09:17.29 | MohammadAG51 | unless it's packaged well |
| 09:17.48 | mece | MohammadAG51, well it's packaged by nokia... |
| 09:18.25 | mece | I guess. |
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| 09:20.42 | Jaffa | mece: A couple of minor bugs to fix - testing today appreciated |
| 09:21.24 | mece | I've got dh_makeshlibs -plibhildonfm2 -V"libhildonfm2 (>= 1:2.28+0m5)" |
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| 09:22.57 | RST38h | Mohammad: This does not prevent patent trolls from attacking it |
| 09:24.08 | mece | I get some "compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated" |
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| 09:30.28 | mmarc__ | How to run apt-get from the arm freemantle scratchbox? It required CPU transparecny mode to be set. Not clear what does it mean. Should I run apt-get from qemu-arm? And if so, how to find the corresponding apt-get app from the outside of the fakeroot? Its /usr/ folder seems to be symlinking elsewhere... |
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| 09:31.24 | mece | mmarc__, apt-get works fine in arm... |
| 09:31.38 | mece | mmarc__, just switch to target arm and apt-get all you want. |
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| 09:32.51 | TigerTael | x64? |
| 09:33.33 | mmarc__ | mece, I've switched or what do you mean? |
| 09:34.33 | mece | mmarc__, what is the problem exactly? |
| 09:35.12 | mmarc__ | Could you please help me to understand: in FREMANTLE ARM root on 32-bit host the gcc acts as a cross-compiler to arm, correct? Then how apt-get works? Logically, it should be also x86-compiled to get it working. |
| 09:36.00 | mece | mmarc__, no idea. it just works. |
| 09:36.08 | mmarc__ | Basically, I need to install some development libs on ARM root, but apt-get says "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" |
| 09:36.38 | mece | mmarc__, never had that issue. |
| 09:36.43 | mmarc__ | It also just works for me under i486 root |
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| 09:37.57 | mece | mmarc__, so your prompt looks like "[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARM: ~] > " and you type "apt-get install <whatever>" and you get that error? |
| 09:38.14 | mmarc__ | yeah, exactly! |
| 09:38.19 | mece | how curious. |
| 09:40.19 | mece | mmarc__, here's something: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34801 |
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| 09:42.24 | mece | MohammadAG51, so did it crash again or is it working now? |
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| 09:44.12 | mmarc__ | mece, thanks, the difference with other users' experiences is that sb-menu CPU transparency menu has only "none" option |
| 09:44.24 | Massimiliano | < Un SaLuTo a TuTto il chan #maemo > |
| 09:44.32 | Massimiliano | _list |
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| 09:45.34 | mmarc__ | on irc log there is also scratchbox-devkit-cputrans package mentioned |
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| 09:46.45 | Duckboot | GarnetVM is AWESOME. |
| 09:46.54 | chem|st | and up side down |
| 09:47.46 | solrize | that's to run old palm apps? who wants to do that? |
| 09:47.51 | haltdef_ | yea that takes me back a bit :P |
| 09:48.13 | Duckboot | solrize: For the sheer joy of beeing back in PalmOS days |
| 09:49.47 | solrize | anyone know how fast the n900 bluetooth is? |
| 09:49.56 | mmarc__ | guys, could you please state what options do you have in sb-menu cpu transparency option that is deeper in setup menu? I really wonder why I have none. |
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| 09:51.55 | solrize | oh hah, it looks like high speed bluetooth actually moves the data by wifi ;) |
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| 09:57.16 | RST38h | Anyone knows if there is a bug report for the annoying phone app glitch? |
| 09:57.30 | RST38h | When it shows up and then does acribatics for a few seconds? |
| 09:59.00 | MohammadAG51 | mece, N900's still working |
| 10:00.04 | Tachikoma | did i already mention how awesome the n900 is? :) |
| 10:01.00 | Tachikoma | mh, vllt pass east india trading company ja besser als piraten :) |
| 10:01.14 | flux | is there a way to make the maemo backup activate itself periodically? |
| 10:01.49 | flux | while I'm using backuppc now, the official backup might be easier to restore should the software side die again some day.. |
| 10:03.53 | Tachikoma | i just got an sms from nokia telling me there is an update for my n900 and i should enter some URL on my PC |
| 10:03.55 | Tachikoma | wtf??? |
| 10:06.45 | solrize | phishing? |
| 10:07.23 | Tachikoma | no, the url is valid and says the same |
| 10:07.55 | Jaffa | mece: Hermes 0.8.0 should be in Extras-devel. Testing welcome; but take a backup of your contacts Just In Case[TM] ;-) |
| 10:08.35 | kpel | got the sms too |
| 10:09.18 | kpel | it doesn't make sense. why do i have to use a pc to update an internet enabled device running linux? |
| 10:09.35 | Tachikoma | www.nokia.de/softwareupdate is the url btw |
| 10:09.41 | Tachikoma | totally generic |
| 10:09.59 | Tachikoma | just checking with apt |
| 10:10.11 | kpel | this is getting too much like apple and itunes |
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| 10:10.44 | Tachikoma | with the difference that with apple and itunes this stuff actually works ;) |
| 10:10.49 | kpel | everything has to happen through an application controlled by the vendor. |
| 10:11.22 | Tachikoma | i mean, i get an sms with an generic url asking me to select my phone. From apple i'd expect some url fitting my device |
| 10:11.31 | kpel | tachikoma: correct |
| 10:11.44 | Tachikoma | i guess this might be ovi store related :) |
| 10:12.20 | Tachikoma | at least that would be the only thing I'd understand them to actively notify people as i would not go there anymore wuithout a heads up that it finally is ready |
| 10:12.35 | Tachikoma | but the I'd expect at least a little hint what this update is about ... |
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| 10:12.48 | kpel | ovi in general gave me more grief and downtime in a year than yahoo gave me in ten years. |
| 10:13.07 | Tachikoma | ok, no updates available via apt, guess this sms is total bogus |
| 10:13.24 | Tachikoma | as the webpage states one could install the update using the app installer as well |
| 10:15.12 | Tachikoma | i personally don;t care about ovi anymore, i do not believe this will ever fly for maemo5. For meego/maemo6 maybe but i don;t belive that this is even of big interest for nokia with maemo5 ... |
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| 10:20.03 | Jaffa | dneary: ping |
| 10:20.12 | dneary | Jaffa, pong |
| 10:20.25 | dneary | Jaffa, What can I do you for? |
| 10:21.34 | Jaffa | dneary: Example of the problems programmers face finding API docs. I want to set an input field (HildonEntry) to be numeric only. This probably involves setting the hildon-input-mode property to some flags (I've done it elsewhere, but not with numbers). So I google for one of the fixed values: HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL - and the only definitive Maemo reference manual entry is to diablo at position #3 :-( |
| 10:22.34 | Tachikoma | I have the suspicion that this sms for a system update was only supposed for symbian users. the webpage talks about 'Go on your device into menu and select "programs->update".' |
| 10:22.56 | Tachikoma | that does not exist on my device... |
| 10:23.10 | dneary | Jaffa, You googled for HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL directly? |
| 10:23.19 | hrw | heh... gtk stock icons got killed in pr1.2 |
| 10:23.23 | dneary | Not "HildonEntry numeric input" or something? |
| 10:23.26 | hrw | bug 10351 |
| 10:23.27 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10351 Icons at bottom broken since PR1.2 |
| 10:23.27 | Jaffa | dneary: yup - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 10:25.17 | dneary | Jaffa, So do you think that we're not linking enough to specific API docs from code samples & the reference docs, or...? |
| 10:25.18 | hrw | when nokia will stop breaking 3rdparty apps with system updates? |
| 10:27.13 | Jaffa | dneary: Dunno - I'd hoped that the Dev Center think would contain enough centralised resource that I wouldn't go to Google and its search would be definitive; but since Nokia have refused to include major third party APIs/platforms like Python, I don't use it. |
| 10:27.55 | Duckboot | hrw: With an Open OS like Maemo you cannot hope to not break anything. |
| 10:28.34 | hrw | Duckboot: there should be some stability and migration plans |
| 10:29.10 | Duckboot | hrw: All major players on Linux recognize that simple fact. That's why there exists a thing called Compability Matrix. |
| 10:29.39 | Jaffa | dneary: Searching for HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_FULL or "numeric entry" on library.maemodocs.nokia.com are both useful. What about cloning it, making the header less intrusive and including Python/hilonmm etc :) |
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| 10:30.33 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, I wonder if uploading a modified closed source package is allowed |
| 10:30.42 | MohammadAG51 | oh well, already uploaded |
| 10:31.25 | chem|st | MohammadAG51: as long as its free to distribute... |
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| 10:31.53 | MohammadAG51 | chem|st, well, yeah, but the package is borked (overwrites a file from another package) |
| 10:32.05 | zaheerm | office live 2010 editing works nicely on n900 http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4687886038/ |
| 10:32.05 | Duckboot | hrw: For example, if you come to Oracle with an contaminated system with loads of 3rd party libs, they just wave you goodbye. |
| 10:32.06 | MohammadAG51 | so I removed the file and edited the control file, then repackaged it |
| 10:32.50 | Duckboot | hrw: Or give you the Compability Matrix, and tell you to reinstall |
| 10:33.01 | mmarc__ | Ok, I've found export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD is just a shell symbol to set |
| 10:33.14 | mmarc__ | And I set it to "export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb" |
| 10:33.52 | mmarc__ | Now apt-get in working, but just partially, it now won't do apt-get update |
| 10:34.03 | mmarc__ | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 10:34.10 | MohammadAG51 | dude, reinstall scratchbox |
| 10:34.14 | MohammadAG51 | and the whole sdk |
| 10:34.26 | MohammadAG51 | you shouldn't be getting all that sh*t |
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| 10:34.49 | mmarc__ | well, I did nothing stange :) just used pythin installer... |
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| 10:38.06 | marcus | Heya guys, I could use a little guidance regarding creating .debs for the maemo platform |
| 10:38.19 | marcus | I have a little game created using SDL and SDL_image |
| 10:38.34 | marcus | Should I put anything specific in prog.pro, on CONFIG? |
| 10:38.35 | marcus | CONFIG -= qt |
| 10:38.36 | marcus | CONFIG += debug |
| 10:38.39 | marcus | instead of that. |
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| 10:39.06 | marcus | On the GTK_Example on the MADDE website, they put link_pkgconfig, because it is a python+GTK example. |
| 10:41.01 | dneary | Jaffa, Here's your problem: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alibrary.maemodocs.nokia.com+numerical+entry&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a |
| 10:41.23 | dneary | Jaffa, It seems like there's no sitemap for Google to trawl & index pages in lmnc |
| 10:41.45 | Jaffa | dneary: Indeed. No results for "numeric entry" at *all* |
| 10:41.50 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/10/spymobile_light_speed/ |
| 10:41.53 | dneary | Opening a bug |
| 10:41.56 | Jaffa | dneary: Thanks |
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| 10:55.56 | dneary | Jaffa, It's not straightforward to get direct links to help pages either |
| 10:56.02 | dneary | I had to dig around to get http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.toolkit/api_refs/5.0/gtk/GtkEntry.html |
| 10:57.16 | mece | uff. that was an epic lunch. |
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| 11:02.09 | Saviq | hi all, any idea if it's possible to send SMS from a script / console / python on the N900? |
| 11:02.19 | mece | Saviq, yes. |
| 11:02.35 | Saviq | mece: can you point me to some docs? |
| 11:02.38 | MohammadAG51 | vertsms source |
| 11:02.57 | Saviq | cool thanks |
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| 11:03.16 | mece | :) |
| 11:03.35 | mece | yes, I channeled my thoughts through MohammadAG51's keyboard :D |
| 11:04.51 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 11:05.36 | mece | MohammadAG51, testing a renamed package for libhildonfm2 now. Let's see if the update bug doesn't annoy. |
| 11:09.46 | marcus | MohammedAG51: Do you know anything about this problem I have |
| 11:09.47 | marcus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55751 |
| 11:11.25 | SpeedEvil | You're accessing talk.maemo.org? |
| 11:11.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure that's curable. |
| 11:11.36 | mece | hehehe |
| 11:11.40 | marcus | :'( |
| 11:11.49 | marcus | Am I doomed then? |
| 11:12.26 | SpeedEvil | The libs+= line looks a likely cndidate |
| 11:12.34 | Stskeeps | marcus: MADDE isn't good for SDL, i think |
| 11:12.42 | Stskeeps | i might be wrong though |
| 11:13.06 | marcus | SpeedEvil: I thought so as well, but the output got errors, and it looked like it tried to find the libraries _inside_ the folders of the deb pkg. |
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| 11:16.45 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 11:17.16 | marcus | Oooh, pretty. I think it managed out fine. |
| 11:17.31 | marcus | Just needed the - in front of lSDL & lSDL_image |
| 11:18.20 | marcus | So I guess I just put the .deb file onto my n900, and install it? |
| 11:18.28 | marcus | Anyone mind giving me the command again? :) |
| 11:18.50 | SpeedEvil | dpkg -i foo.deb? |
| 11:19.03 | marcus | I need root, aye? |
| 11:19.12 | nidO | dpkg -i or just open it in file manager and ham should install it |
| 11:19.31 | marcus | Haven't used dpkg much, using Arch here. |
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| 11:21.05 | crashanddie | dpkg won't install dependencies |
| 11:21.14 | hrw | Jaffa: hermes is your app - right? |
| 11:21.20 | crashanddie | it is |
| 11:21.39 | Saviq | mece: VertSMS doesn't seem to work for me - it does put the sms into the rtcomm database, but no sms came through :/ |
| 11:22.12 | marcus | hmm |
| 11:22.35 | marcus | a question though: the binary is then located in /usr/bin/foo, what about img files then? Where should they be located? |
| 11:23.05 | marcus | Currently, it should be reading them from the place the binary is, but that is just stupid to put them in /usr/bin .3 |
| 11:23.06 | marcus | :3 |
| 11:25.44 | hrw | bug 8369 got update |
| 11:25.45 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed |
| 11:26.27 | hrw | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_browser was not provided by any .service files |
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| 11:36.38 | TigerTael | How the hell did I get a game installed on my N900 called 'them bloody ducks'? |
| 11:36.47 | TigerTael | All I did was uninstall opera mobile |
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| 11:38.28 | Stskeeps | TigerTael: i think TomaszD ran into that too, that it installed an random app when uninstalling one or something |
| 11:39.04 | lcuk | mornin Stskeeps croppa |
| 11:39.09 | lcuk | damn |
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| 11:39.16 | lcuk | croppa, sorry, was aiming for crashanddie |
| 11:39.44 | BCMM | can the |
| 11:40.02 | BCMM | email client display source and headers? |
| 11:40.20 | TigerTael | Stskeeps, yeah, I was trying to uninstall it and I saw that it said downloading about 500kb's... |
| 11:40.24 | TigerTael | I was like, downloading? |
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| 11:44.17 | mece | MohammadAG51, damn that dpkg is a wimp. |
| 11:44.39 | mece | MohammadAG51, didn't even want to overwrite a file, just because it was also in another package. |
| 11:45.01 | mece | MohammadAG51, --force-overwrite did the trick though. |
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| 11:46.26 | mece | about the crash, I wonder if it's something cached that is incompatible with the new version of libhildonfm2.so that needs to recache before you launch the app. |
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| 11:50.28 | mmarc__ | I need libgl-dev, that is removed from 5 sdk final. is there an alternative place to get it or could you please share, if you have it? |
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| 11:52.11 | mece | I remember there being some log of what happened when a device crash. Where is that thing? |
| 11:52.57 | flailingmonkey | there is "boot_reason" but there could also be more logs that are created |
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| 11:56.06 | noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooooo's |
| 11:57.16 | SpeedEvil | oopses are stored on a seperate partition |
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| 11:57.24 | mece | flailingmonkey, where is boot_reason then? |
| 11:57.33 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.11 | mece | hahha pwr_key |
| 11:58.13 | mece | damn |
| 11:59.59 | mece | ok so.. renamed the package so it no longer messes with firmware stuff. |
| 12:00.25 | mece | However, I don't think this would ever be installable through ham for example, since it overwrites a file that belongs to another package. |
| 12:00.29 | noobmonk3y | mece: ? |
| 12:00.55 | noobmonk3y | Healthcheck is the most popular utility software on Maemo5 :) - yay |
| 12:00.56 | mece | the modified file manager chooser picker thingamabob |
| 12:01.15 | mece | noobmonk3y, LIES! I don't have it, so it can't be the most popular! |
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| 12:01.28 | noobmonk3y | slaps mece around a bit with healthcheck |
| 12:01.30 | nidO | I do have it, so it must be |
| 12:01.35 | nidO | cant say I use it though! |
| 12:01.37 | noobmonk3y | agrees with nidO |
| 12:01.42 | noobmonk3y | nidO: lol ;) |
| 12:01.47 | kaie | will flashing the n810 securely erase all previous bits stored in /home/user ? |
| 12:01.53 | cehteh | noobmonk3y: lol .. yeah we all use it daily :P |
| 12:01.57 | noobmonk3y | its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally |
| 12:02.58 | nidO | damn I hate nationwide. |
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| 12:03.50 | lcuk | smashes a frozen trout over noobmonk3y's head |
| 12:03.56 | lcuk | oooops, i thought it had thawed |
| 12:04.36 | mmarc__ | how to become root in scratchbox? |
| 12:04.40 | kwtm | Hello. With what software can I transfer files from my laptop (running K/Ubuntu) onto my N900? Am I stuck with "scp" or is there a better file manager? |
| 12:04.47 | mmarc__ | or howto set ui to 0? |
| 12:05.04 | mmarc__ | kwtm: nautilus? |
| 12:05.17 | mmarc__ | kwtm: the file manager |
| 12:05.49 | mmarc__ | kwtm: or dolphin - default for KDE |
| 12:06.12 | kwtm | mmarc__: Are you referring to the file manager on Kubuntu on my laptop? Or file manager on N900 (which I don't think is Nautilus)? |
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| 12:07.01 | kwtm | mmarc__: Yeah, right now I am on a hotel network where I can't SSH into my N900. However, I can ssh FROM my N900 into a remote server (outside the hotel network). |
| 12:07.05 | mmarc__ | I mean you could just plugin your n900 select USB storage mode on its screen, and then Ubuntu/Kubuntu will automatically notify you the storage device is added and you can then browse it with standard file manager |
| 12:07.30 | kwtm | mmarc__: Yes, that's what I did: plugged into USB and selected USB storage mode. Something weird happened: |
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| 12:08.02 | kwtm | on my laptop, I see files and directories. But these are not the same files and directories I see on my N900 on File Manager (or in the shell)! |
| 12:08.20 | mmarc__ | kwtm: yeah, it's normal |
| 12:08.29 | mece | if anyone dares, you can try this now: http://hedwerks.net/stuff/libhildonfm2-community_2.28.18+0m5-maemo1_armel.deb |
| 12:08.45 | RST38h | mece: What has been changed? |
| 12:08.53 | mece | you need to install with dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 12:09.00 | kwtm | I suspect either the directories visible on my laptop are in a subdirectory on the N900, or (less likely) the directory structure on the N900 is contained in a subdirectory of what I see on the laptop. |
| 12:09.04 | mece | RST38h, just lists filename extensions |
| 12:09.35 | mece | to uninstall you need to dpkg -r and then install the original from here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libh/libhildonfm/ |
| 12:09.41 | mece | using dpkg, not ham. |
| 12:09.43 | kwtm | mmarc__: I haven't been able to figure out how the two directory structures are related. |
| 12:09.57 | mmarc__ | kwtm: but after you copy something on device and unplug it, you can then see your files with device file manager |
| 12:10.11 | RST38h | mece: Not enough to be worth testing it =) |
| 12:10.12 | kwtm | I tried creating a directory with a unique name on the laptop... couldn't find it. |
| 12:10.26 | kwtm | mmarc__: Oh, I have to unplug it first? I already unmounted. WIll try unplugging. |
| 12:10.33 | mece | RST38h :) |
| 12:10.35 | RST38h | mece: but if you shrink the time to scan large directories (100+ files) I will be the first in line to test it =) |
| 12:10.41 | mmarc__ | kwtm: are you trying to find it _after_ unplugging your device ? |
| 12:10.52 | lcuk | mooo |
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| 12:11.04 | mece | RST38h, heee.. perhaps I could. we'll see. I'm off. |
| 12:11.45 | mmarc__ | kwtm: from ssh view all files are placed to ~/MyDocs |
| 12:12.12 | kwtm | mmarc__: Okay, unplugged now. So, for example, I put something in the /MountPointForN900/.documents directory (as seen from the laptop)... Ah, I see. Will try ~/MyDocs |
| 12:12.39 | kwtm | Ahhh.... I see, it's only after unplugging that the files show up... strange, but I guess I will get used to it. |
| 12:12.47 | flailingmonkey | say mece, what if you |
| 12:13.04 | mmarc__ | kwtm: yeah, just unplug, and it will appear |
| 12:13.04 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: It's basically (logically) unplugging a virtual disk from the desktop, and plugging it into the phone again |
| 12:13.16 | flailingmonkey | had a script which backed up the original filemanager on install and replaced it on uninstall |
| 12:13.17 | SpeedEvil | kwtm: Bad stuff happens if two boxes try to share disks |
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| 12:14.01 | mmarc__ | SpeedEvil: not really. To my belief this way is due to n900 performs some kind of indexing |
| 12:14.04 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: Really? I thought it would be like fish:// or smb:// where the N900 allows a controlled write to the disk. |
| 12:14.06 | flailingmonkey | mece, would that make it possible to package it up for extras? |
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| 12:14.54 | mmarc__ | I.e. n900 has some media indexing daemons, that could be trashed if volume is shared |
| 12:14.58 | flailingmonkey | nope, it literally unmounts the fat32 filesystem and then exports it |
| 12:15.10 | _abhishek | how to get glx.h on maemo |
| 12:15.19 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: you'd be wrong |
| 12:15.29 | kwtm | mmarc__: Ahh... right, the indexing daemons. That makes sense. |
| 12:15.30 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: Mydocs is a VFAT filesystem. |
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| 12:15.35 | Appiah | i think its called tracker? |
| 12:15.38 | Appiah | the indexer |
| 12:15.48 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: With any filesystem, if you mount it from two places at once - bad stuff happens. |
| 12:16.01 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: It is exported not as a list of files - but as a block device. |
| 12:16.16 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: I also didn't realize that umounting was not enough, and that the n900 had to be unplugged. |
| 12:16.19 | mmarc__ | not sure, how it called, but I have succesfully corrupted it once. Terrible idea, IMO. |
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| 12:16.36 | mmarc__ | *Terrible mechanism. |
| 12:16.41 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: So - if the PC does 'rm foo' - the n900 does not get 'rm foo', but 'write block 45,6996,28485.28895' with this data |
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| 12:16.59 | SpeedEvil | It then has to remount the filesystem when the PC is finished with it |
| 12:17.07 | mmarc__ | SpeedEvil: and what's about vfat flash card? |
| 12:17.13 | X-Fade | Just type 'sync' and be done :) |
| 12:17.14 | SpeedEvil | same idea |
| 12:17.31 | kwtm | Thanks guys! |
| 12:17.35 | X-Fade | It is just write back cache. |
| 12:18.16 | kwtm | It looks like the n900 comes with "PC Suite" software which can be installed on the PC. Does this work on Linux? If not, how do you import contacts from your existing contact list --does it support standard Vcard format? |
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| 12:18.23 | mmarc__ | SpeedEvil: oh, yeah, sync makes sense in any case. But there are also additional things on n900 |
| 12:18.37 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: The tracker is _completely_ irrelevant to this. |
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| 12:19.02 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: The reason it's unmounted is because you cannot have two computers sharing one block device, and both trying to access its filesystem at once. |
| 12:19.15 | mmarc__ | kwtm: PC suite works only for Windows. IMO, that's terrible shit for kitchen women. |
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| 12:19.17 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: Bad stuff - like massive filesystem corruption - happens regularly. |
| 12:19.33 | SpeedEvil | s/regularly/everytime one writes a file/ |
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| 12:19.51 | nextime | kwtm : gammu/wammu should work on n900 |
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| 12:20.11 | mmarc__ | SpeedEvil: ok, got it, simply the restriction is the block volume cannot be shared between >1 active OSes. |
| 12:20.15 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:20.38 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: Attempts to get round that are basically horribly complex hacks that will work at best sometimes. |
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| 12:20.49 | dneary | bergie, ping? |
| 12:20.57 | nextime | mmarc__ : you can share it IF the second only 1 os mount it in rw mode and others in read only |
| 12:21.01 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: I'm trying to figure out where to get those headers too right now. |
| 12:21.14 | nextime | but you can expect strange things in the read only side |
| 12:21.23 | nextime | if you write something on the rw side |
| 12:21.27 | dneary | bergie, There's some weirdish PHP caching going on with Mediawiki - I'm changing PHP files and nothing is changing. |
| 12:21.30 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: the problem is that some wise people removed libgl-dev from arm packages |
| 12:21.49 | dneary | Can you explain to me how this stuff works? (stepping out for a minute, but later)? |
| 12:22.03 | bergie | dneary: you *may* have to restart the web server, depends on php bytecode cache config |
| 12:22.19 | _abhishek | mmarc__: that's really bad well I just got something might help you http://www.unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/projects/maemo/ |
| 12:22.23 | TigerTael | calendar.exe exited with code -1073741511 |
| 12:22.24 | dneary | bergie, I don't think wiki users would like that |
| 12:22.31 | dneary | Just for a php file edit? |
| 12:22.32 | nextime | dneary : isn't only web browser cache issue? have you tryed to just press f5 to reload? |
| 12:22.35 | TigerTael | Why do I always get this with the Qt Creator simulator? ;/ |
| 12:22.42 | dneary | Any way to invalidate the cache instead & force a reload? |
| 12:22.59 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: one way I see is to compile libgl-dev from sources for arm, but I need to know how to become su in scratchbox. |
| 12:23.01 | bergie | depends what level the cache is on |
| 12:23.04 | dneary | nextime, Thanks for the suggestion, but no, it's not a web browser cache |
| 12:23.20 | bergie | dneary: if it is PHP bytecode cache you indeed have to restart Apache |
| 12:23.23 | dneary | bergie, When I change message files, for example, the effects are instantaneous |
| 12:23.33 | _abhishek | mmarc__: well can you tell me where I will get libgl-dev source |
| 12:23.41 | dneary | But module fines don't change anything |
| 12:23.49 | bergie | dneary: but to be honest I don't know how the wiki is configured |
| 12:23.56 | dneary | Funny thing is, changing LocalSettings did. |
| 12:24.08 | dneary | So some of the PHP is cached, and some isn't |
| 12:24.11 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: apt-get source libgl-dev |
| 12:24.21 | dneary | What configuration files are used to cache byte code? |
| 12:24.30 | _abhishek | on scratchbox ? |
| 12:24.37 | dneary | I could just turn it off (and slow things down temporarily) while debugging |
| 12:24.47 | _abhishek | and about su I think you can try fakeroot |
| 12:24.53 | _abhishek | mmarc__: and about su I think you can try fakeroot |
| 12:25.17 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: yeah, do it under x86 scratchbox mode, and then switch onto arm mode, and compile from there. That's my idea. |
| 12:25.44 | _abhishek | mmarc__: hummm will check that thanks |
| 12:25.48 | dneary | This seems to be at fault: $nt = Title::makeTitleSafe( NS_USER, $target ); |
| 12:26.12 | kwtm | Thanks for your very essential help, guys. The #n900 channel is dead, and I would be stuck without some of your guidance. (TOok me 7 days to figure out that there was a user guide contained in my n900) |
| 12:26.30 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:26.36 | SpeedEvil | Deeply stupid that. |
| 12:26.49 | SpeedEvil | It should be in _huge_letters_ on the front of the leaflet in the box |
| 12:26.53 | Duckboot | didn't know that - User Guide - Bah. |
| 12:27.07 | SpeedEvil | Also as a HUGE FLASHING LINK after the 'getting started' video |
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| 12:27.44 | mmarc__ | I really HATE such corporate stupidness: WHY THE HELL nokia stuff removed libgl-dev? WHY THE HELL they make me do again the work that was previous done? Is it just to make me use GL|ES? Forcing is bad nature. |
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| 12:28.41 | SpeedEvil | Having multiple libraries on the device that do the same stuff is bad practice. |
| 12:28.47 | Jaffa | hrw: Yeah |
| 12:28.51 | SpeedEvil | However - this should be clearly signosted in adcance. |
| 12:28.55 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:29.12 | SpeedEvil | tries to predict the top tmo thread. |
| 12:29.12 | mmarc__ | SpeedEvil: IMO, BS. For example, >4 MPI implementations coexist in different distros. |
| 12:29.16 | SpeedEvil | chromium being pulled? |
| 12:29.35 | SpeedEvil | mmarc__: On a device with 256M of RAM, it's more important |
| 12:29.45 | Stskeeps | mmarc__: libgl-dev doesn't exist on a N900? :P |
| 12:29.54 | Stskeeps | ie, the chip only supports GLES v1 and v2 |
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| 12:30.25 | mmarc__ | Stskeeps: libgl-dev was removed from repos, while libgl ittself exists! |
| 12:30.25 | Stskeeps | in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a ARM device that does full opengl |
| 12:30.32 | Stskeeps | mmarc__: libgl is only in use on the X86 side |
| 12:30.35 | mmarc__ | Stskeeps: they both were there previously |
| 12:30.55 | X-Fade | mmarc__: That doesn't make it right ;) |
| 12:31.29 | X-Fade | mmarc__: on x86 you use your own graphics card's GL, on device your use SGX gles. |
| 12:31.33 | mmarc__ | Stskeeps: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/mesa-7.1~RC3-0maemo1] > apt-cache search libgl |
| 12:31.35 | mmarc__ | libgl1 - GL library using AIGLX |
| 12:31.37 | mmarc__ | Stskeeps: so, it's there, for arm |
| 12:31.56 | Stskeeps | that's just mesa compiled for arm, which is software rendering |
| 12:32.11 | mmarc__ | Stskeeps: true, and it's what I need! |
| 12:32.20 | mmarc__ | I don't need ES at this point |
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| 12:32.39 | Stskeeps | then install the lib yourself, it doesn't make sense out of the box / in a ssu repo |
| 12:32.40 | mmarc__ | But some stupid assh**es removed mesa |
| 12:33.02 | Stskeeps | i would rather say it was sane, as who'd want to use sw rendering? :P |
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| 12:33.56 | mmarc__ | Stskeeps: software rendering makes sense for testing. I'd likely see the working ported softwere FISRT, and then consider optimozattions. Isn't that the good way? |
| 12:34.12 | X-Fade | mmarc__: Testing on device? |
| 12:34.23 | mmarc__ | X-Fade: yes |
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| 12:42.35 | crashanddie | why is everything so quiet today? |
| 12:42.53 | E0x | hello ppl |
| 12:43.11 | hrw | Jaffa: bug 8369 - can I help more? |
| 12:43.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed |
| 12:43.33 | bergie | dneary: the config should be in /etc/php/conf.d/apc.ini |
| 12:44.21 | dneary | OK, thanks |
| 12:44.39 | TigerTael | Just so I get this out there, the My Nokia button in settings just crashes.... |
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| 12:45.18 | SpeedEvil | TigerTael: Crashes, in what manner? |
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| 12:46.00 | TigerTael | Hold on, let me try it now |
| 12:46.49 | TigerTael | You click My Nokia, it brings up a page for about a second and then closes, Internal Error, Application "settings" closed. |
| 12:47.11 | TigerTael | I did a fresh flash btw... |
| 12:47.23 | SpeedEvil | Fun. |
| 12:47.27 | SpeedEvil | My nokia has problems. |
| 12:47.29 | TigerTael | I didn't even know what 'My Nokia' was... and still don't. :P |
| 12:47.53 | TigerTael | It may be the fact that my simcard does not know my cellphone number. |
| 12:48.00 | TigerTael | Or something else. |
| 12:49.20 | pupnik | can a maemo package install an older version of a library for itself? |
| 12:49.21 | Jaffa | hrw: There must be other apps which open web pages. Do they have problems? e.g. a "Donate" button in gPodder's About dialogue? |
| 12:49.24 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366 |
| 12:49.26 | povbot | Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user |
| 12:49.27 | SpeedEvil | for example |
| 12:49.32 | pupnik | and make it shared |
| 12:50.06 | pupnik | need older libsdl-ttf for angband |
| 12:50.34 | pupnik | dpmg for me |
| 12:50.59 | TigerTael | SpeedEvil, yeah, i read about the SMS thing... and I never knew what My Nokia was until i saw it now. |
| 12:51.06 | TigerTael | Mine still just crashes straight away. :P |
| 12:51.31 | hrw | Jaffa: witter works fine |
| 12:51.39 | th3hate | What does this command do? cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 |
| 12:52.00 | zaheerm | th3hate, doesn't look safe :) |
| 12:52.11 | TigerTael | agreed. |
| 12:52.15 | SpeedEvil | Crashes with, or without costing you money. |
| 12:52.25 | SpeedEvil | th3hate: probably irrecoverably bricks your device. |
| 12:52.32 | SpeedEvil | th3hate: try it, and let us know. |
| 12:53.01 | th3hate | Well someone told me to try it, so i thought its better to ask for i do |
| 12:53.10 | hrw | Jaffa: 'donate' button in currency converter also works |
| 12:53.12 | th3hate | before* |
| 12:53.22 | TigerTael | So I guess I should be happy that 'My Nokia' just crashes and burns for me. :P |
| 12:53.58 | TigerTael | SpeedEvil, I don't think it's costing me money... although I should check. |
| 12:53.58 | SpeedEvil | th3hate: From where? |
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| 12:54.50 | Dr0ax | Hey |
| 12:54.55 | TigerTael | Okay, i just tried it again and it didn't use any money. Let me reboot and try again. |
| 12:55.01 | E0x | when playing music pulseaudio and mafw-dbus-something , eat the 40% of the cpu |
| 12:55.03 | E0x | this is normal ? |
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| 12:55.15 | th3hate | SpeedEvil: I heard to formats the device |
| 12:55.19 | achipa | the funny thing is it didn't ask me to sign up for MyNokia, and I was able to back out when I clicked on it from settings... |
| 12:55.26 | achipa | (I flashed to PR1.2) |
| 12:55.31 | Dr0ax | Guys, question: Have someone got ettercap and aircrack-ng working on N900? |
| 12:55.45 | SpeedEvil | th3hate: not strictly accurate |
| 12:56.00 | TigerTael | lol, my N900 doesn't want to turn on now. |
| 12:56.00 | th3hate | SpeedEvil: what is it for then? |
| 12:56.13 | SpeedEvil | th3hate: It wipes only the bootloader partition. So all your data is still there - it just won't boot without the attention of nokia wiwht a special programming adaptor. |
| 12:56.21 | dneary | bergie, Nothing there |
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| 12:56.46 | dneary | bergie, Anywhere else I might find it? /etc/apache2/modules.enables/mediawiki maybe? |
| 12:56.46 | TigerTael | Okay, I had to take the battery out and in to turn on my phone. |
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| 12:56.52 | Mece | hello |
| 12:57.01 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: I've successfully compiled libgl-dev for armel. Can't promise you good performance, but at least OpenGL-based apps (without ES!) could be compiled for maemo using the following stuff: freeglut3, freeglut3-dev, libgl1 and libgl-dev |
| 12:57.12 | bergie | dneary: maybe regular php.ini |
| 12:57.15 | dneary | or conf.d/mediawiki.conf |
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| 12:58.38 | loufoque_maemo | is there a way to completely mute the audio, so that flash videos don't play sound while in silent mode? |
| 12:58.41 | dneary | $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_MEMCACHED; |
| 12:58.42 | Jaffa | hrw: Thanks. I'll have a look at witter |
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| 12:58.59 | TigerTael | Holy crap, now all of a sudden after weeks and weeks, the My Nokia thing isn't crashing. |
| 12:58.59 | jacekowski | mmarc__: how you solved problem with non existing primitives? |
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| 12:59.32 | dneary | There doesn't appear to be any APC |
| 12:59.39 | TigerTael | So now, the My Nokia app doesn't crash... but I can't click anything either. |
| 13:00.16 | TigerTael | Wait, this may be related to regional settings... |
| 13:00.34 | TigerTael | Because it changed my region to United Kingdom. |
| 13:00.39 | TigerTael | Changed it and rebooting again. |
| 13:00.50 | _abhishek | mmarc__: well I am trying to get the source but not able to download apt-get source libgl-dev won't work |
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| 13:01.12 | mmarc__ | |
| 13:01.14 | mmarc__ | jacekowski: don't know, they probably are not used, best thing is to check the app. Why when I execute it from X Terminal it says permission denied? |
| 13:01.36 | loufoque_maemo | there is a my nokia app? isn't it just a web link? |
| 13:01.42 | TigerTael | Okay, it's definitely region related. |
| 13:01.52 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: check repos are turned on, and then do apt-get update |
| 13:01.53 | TigerTael | loufoque_maemo, it's a section in the settings app actually. |
| 13:02.10 | TigerTael | If I change my region to 'South Africa', reboot, start My Nokia, it just crashes. |
| 13:02.41 | TigerTael | Thankfully, no money lost. :D |
| 13:03.12 | jacekowski | mmarc__: thing is that if it will send non existing primitives to graphic chip |
| 13:03.16 | jacekowski | mmarc__: shit will happen |
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| 13:03.42 | crashanddie | TigerTael: Nokia isn't sponsoring the 2010 world cup, so no support for SA this year. |
| 13:03.43 | mmarc__ | jacekowski: that's logical! But do you know how to run the app? |
| 13:03.59 | Jaffa | hrw: Can you try, in X Terminal (or over SSH), as user: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"http:/www.google.com/" |
| 13:04.00 | jacekowski | chmod it |
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| 13:04.07 | jacekowski | chmod 755 app |
| 13:04.09 | jacekowski | and then ./app |
| 13:04.10 | _abhishek | mmarc__: yeah doing the same |
| 13:04.11 | TigerTael | crashanddie, haha. |
| 13:04.50 | dneary | bergie, Do you know how to invalidate a memcached cache? |
| 13:04.53 | dneary | It appears to be that |
| 13:05.09 | X-Fade | dneary: Just restart memcached |
| 13:05.26 | jacekowski | _abhishek: wait for it to be imported |
| 13:05.46 | jacekowski | _abhishek: and i think you can't get sources of libgl-dev |
| 13:05.51 | mmarc__ | jacekowski: sure, I've done chmod +x, but access is still denied, and I wonder what does it mean... |
| 13:05.54 | jacekowski | _abhishek: it would have to be just libgl |
| 13:06.05 | dneary | I think I'd better get a hold of Niels |
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| 13:06.12 | dneary | Ah - there he is :) |
| 13:06.18 | dneary | X-Fade, Didn't do the job |
| 13:06.22 | _abhishek | jacekowski: yeah thanks |
| 13:06.27 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: are you getting the source from x86 freemantle, not from arm? |
| 13:06.38 | hrw | Jaffa: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.osso_browser was not provided by any .service files |
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| 13:06.51 | dneary | X-Fade, When I've been making small changes to php files in /usr/share/mediawiki/includes, they have not been taking effect |
| 13:06.53 | _abhishek | mmarc__: I am doing it on x86 |
| 13:06.57 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: the trick is to get source from x86 and compile from arm |
| 13:07.07 | X-Fade | dneary: restart apache |
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| 13:07.18 | Jaffa | hrw: And what about: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.open_new_window string:"http:/www.google.com/" |
| 13:07.21 | jacekowski | X-Fade: what are you using for caching? |
| 13:07.23 | dneary | Changes to LocalSettings, or in messages (a test - superficial change), went through straight away - I just needed to reload |
| 13:07.32 | dneary | But for stuff in includes, no |
| 13:07.33 | _abhishek | mmarc__: is it apt-get source libgl1 ? |
| 13:07.38 | X-Fade | probably apc with stat=off ? |
| 13:08.27 | jacekowski | that's evil |
| 13:08.27 | X-Fade | Changes happen once every few months. |
| 13:08.27 | X-Fade | Saves a lot ;) |
| 13:08.28 | dneary | X-Fade, where's apc? |
| 13:08.28 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: ok, then check you have the similar list of /etc/apt/sources.list: http://pastebin.com/9ELHvBxL |
| 13:08.43 | X-Fade | dneary: It is a php cache. |
| 13:08.46 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: no-no-no, libgl1-dev |
| 13:09.00 | dneary | X-Fade, There's no /etc/php/conf.d/apc |
| 13:09.02 | jacekowski | X-Fade: so you get like 100% hitrate? |
| 13:09.04 | hrw | Jaffa: nothing |
| 13:09.12 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: there is libgl1 binaries for arm already, they've just wasted headers... |
| 13:09.21 | Jaffa | hrw: doesn't error, but doesn't open the browser either? |
| 13:09.49 | hrw | Jaffa: exactly |
| 13:09.57 | _abhishek | mmarc__: ok thanks |
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| 13:10.04 | hrw | MDBUS2> com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser com.nokia.osso_browser.open_new_window |
| 13:10.08 | hrw | [ERR]: Unknown object path /com/nokia/osso_browser for com.nokia.osso_browser |
| 13:10.16 | lcuk | Jaffa, isnt there something about being as root - are you testing as regular user |
| 13:10.16 | dneary | I haven't had lunch yet |
| 13:10.17 | dneary | bbiaw |
| 13:10.54 | _abhishek | mmarc__: can you send me you sources.list |
| 13:11.05 | MohammadAG51 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"URL" |
| 13:11.05 | Jaffa | lcuk: I'm testing as a regular user. |
| 13:11.13 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: http://pastebin.com/9ELHvBxL |
| 13:11.15 | lcuk | ok jaffa just making sure |
| 13:11.26 | _abhishek | when I do apt-get source libgl1-dev it says E: Unable to find a source package for libgl1-dev |
| 13:11.28 | lcuk | gets similar oddities |
| 13:11.28 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: That doesn't work with Browser Switchboard: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 |
| 13:11.30 | povbot | Bug 8369: "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed |
| 13:11.54 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, oh, solved that yesterday |
| 13:11.55 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: import repos from my list and then do a apt-get update |
| 13:12.00 | MohammadAG51 | hermes right? |
| 13:12.09 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Yeah |
| 13:12.18 | MohammadAG51 | I don't have browser switchboard installed though |
| 13:12.24 | _abhishek | mmarc__: yeah thanks |
| 13:12.25 | MohammadAG51 | it tries to create /dev/null |
| 13:12.32 | MohammadAG51 | and gets permission denied |
| 13:12.36 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: What does? |
| 13:12.49 | MohammadAG51 | running as root, authenticating, then rerunning as user solves it |
| 13:12.52 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, hermes |
| 13:12.54 | X-Fade | Oh ffs, why does google put a full screen background image on their search frontpage. How can I turn that off ;) |
| 13:13.00 | MohammadAG51 | it says /dev/null: permission denied |
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| 13:13.11 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: When? |
| 13:13.24 | MohammadAG51 | when it tries to open facebook |
| 13:13.29 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 13:13.34 | MohammadAG51 | when it send the auth key |
| 13:13.42 | MohammadAG51 | after that |
| 13:13.54 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: igoogle? |
| 13:14.19 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, did you get my earlier request? :) |
| 13:14.19 | _abhishek | mmarc__: W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 13:14.23 | lcuk | X-Fade, after you have finished advertising for them |
| 13:14.31 | _abhishek | mmarc__: while doing apt-get update |
| 13:14.36 | lcuk | it goes away after you told 10 people about it |
| 13:14.48 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: no |
| 13:14.49 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: OK. Then it (python-facebook) does webbrowser.open() which uses the command in gconf to launch a browser. The problem is the one which works with the default browser doesn't work with the DBUS interface provided by Browser Switchboard |
| 13:15.21 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, but i don't have browser s. :) |
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| 13:15.49 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: What do you think you solved? What do you mean by "solved"? How did you solve it? |
| 13:15.57 | achipa | X-Fade: did you import the hoopsfrenzy stuff, was that an automation accident, or was it a user upload/promotion ? |
| 13:16.03 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, the USBcontrol package is useless, and it caused a lot of speculation, can you take it out of fremantle's repo? |
| 13:16.05 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: The dbus-send command you pasted is the same one as in hermes.postinst, so it should have been using it already |
| 13:16.14 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: that's a warning, not an error |
| 13:16.19 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: I have it too |
| 13:16.23 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, i ran it as root, authenticated, then ran it as user |
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| 13:16.28 | X-Fade | achipa: I think it was not cleaned properly and got reimported. |
| 13:16.47 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: But apart from seeing /dev/null, permission denied what was the problem running it as user? |
| 13:17.03 | MohammadAG51 | nothing |
| 13:17.13 | MohammadAG51 | it just said something went wrong |
| 13:17.25 | Jaffa | So there *was* a problem? |
| 13:17.29 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, how do I clear authentication? |
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| 13:17.47 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: You use 0.8.0 in Extras-devel, or delete some gconf keys in 0.2.x |
| 13:17.50 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 13:18.05 | MohammadAG51 | i'm upgrading it right now |
| 13:18.11 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: killing |
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| 13:19.18 | MohammadAG51 | thanks X-Fade |
| 13:19.18 | Jaffa | hrw: can you use mdbus2 to monitor what DBus stuff happens when you click on a link in witter? |
| 13:19.37 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, no problems with the new version |
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| 13:20.09 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Cool |
| 13:20.34 | MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, only difference on my side is a reboot from yesterday |
| 13:21.22 | achipa | X-Fade: ok, can you re-remove it ? |
| 13:21.38 | X-Fade | achipa: done |
| 13:21.45 | _abhishek | mmarc__: but still fakeroot apt-get source libgl1-dev Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Unable to find a source package for libgl1-dev |
| 13:21.47 | hrw | Jaffa: moment |
| 13:21.54 | Jaffa | hrw: thanks |
| 13:22.16 | _abhishek | mmarc__: can you send me libgl1-dev source package on mail ? |
| 13:22.38 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: what apt-cache search libgl shows? |
| 13:22.49 | mmarc__ | "apt-cache search libgl" |
| 13:23.00 | achipa | X-Fade: thanks. Are you OK with the rest of the points in my email regarding QA stuff ? |
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| 13:23.17 | X-Fade | achipa: Will reply to that. |
| 13:23.24 | achipa | X-Fade: ok |
| 13:23.28 | _abhishek | mmarc__: http://pastebin.com/rWXBu0X7 |
| 13:23.33 | X-Fade | achipa: But generally, yes. |
| 13:24.13 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: so, that's it here: libgl-dev - GL library development files |
| 13:24.17 | mmarc__ | without 1 |
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| 13:25.06 | hrw | method call sender=:1.225 -> dest=com.nokia.osso_browser serial=53 path=/com/nokia/osso_browser; interface=com.nokia.osso_browser; member=open_new_window string "http://bit.ly/bNhqWQ" |
| 13:25.07 | _abhishek | mmarc__: mesa_7.1~RC3-0maemo1-recomp1.tar.gz ? |
| 13:25.10 | hrw | method return sender=:1.99 -> dest=:1.225 reply_serial=53 |
| 13:25.22 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: no |
| 13:25.33 | mmarc__ | step into folder mesa-... |
| 13:25.37 | hrw | Jaffa: thats what dbus-monitor --session --monitor said |
| 13:25.50 | _abhishek | mmarc__: ok |
| 13:25.50 | hrw | Jaffa: mdbus2 listening code needs work |
| 13:26.03 | Jaffa | hrw: fair enough. So WTF doesn't that work from dbus-send? |
| 13:26.06 | mmarc__ | cd mesa-7.1~RC3-0maemo1/ |
| 13:26.11 | mmarc__ | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 13:26.30 | mmarc__ | pardon, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 13:26.33 | _abhishek | mmarc__: wait well one more thing where its download the source package |
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| 13:27.54 | MohammadAG51 | mmarc__, |
| 13:28.01 | MohammadAG51 | why are you building mesa |
| 13:28.03 | mmarc__ | ? |
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| 13:28.24 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: there are no dev headers on arm |
| 13:28.32 | mmarc__ | someone removed them |
| 13:28.54 | MohammadAG51 | does mesa even work on the PowerVGX |
| 13:28.59 | MohammadAG51 | or whatever it's called |
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| 13:29.56 | flailingmonkey | he wants to run OpenGL (non-ES) with software rendering on device, for testing i believe |
| 13:31.26 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: I've compiled my opengl stuff on ARM (not on X86) under scratchbox, and it could be executed on xephyr. Quiet slow, but it runs well. |
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| 13:32.27 | _abhishek | mmarc__: compiling thanks :) |
| 13:32.35 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: the problem is that exactly same executable on n900 says "permission denied". Is nokia detecting OpenGL apps and preventing them from running? ;) Seriously, I really wonder why is it happenning. Whatever error could be, but not this one. |
| 13:32.49 | MohammadAG51 | chmod +x... |
| 13:33.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: That is because home is mounded noexec. |
| 13:33.08 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: I did it 1000+ times. It's something else... |
| 13:33.14 | X-Fade | Damn, what is whith my typing today ;) |
| 13:33.15 | flailingmonkey | you can strace the start of that call |
| 13:33.20 | MohammadAG51 | see X-Fade's comment |
| 13:33.37 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, check the nick before you hit enter :P |
| 13:33.41 | X-Fade | mmarc__: Copy the file somewhere else ;) |
| 13:33.43 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: wait a minute, noexec? I.e. chmod +x would have no effect? |
| 13:33.46 | MohammadAG51 | home can be executed from |
| 13:33.50 | MohammadAG51 | MyDocs can't |
| 13:33.55 | flailingmonkey | what arm platform did you run this on before? |
| 13:33.56 | MohammadAG51 | in MyDocs, no |
| 13:34.12 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: aha, let me try: |
| 13:34.40 | flailingmonkey | its fat32, so you can't set permissions at all |
| 13:34.54 | mmarc__ | sure sure, my fault |
| 13:35.00 | flailingmonkey | the filesystem doesn't support them |
| 13:35.09 | flailingmonkey | hows it going now |
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| 13:37.47 | flailingmonkey | did N900 meego hardware adaptation meeting already happen today? |
| 13:38.52 | lcuk | yes at about 530am |
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| 13:40.14 | mmarc__ | MohammadAG51: thanks agian for the hint, placement outside of MyDocs makes sense... |
| 13:40.32 | Mece | mohammadag |
| 13:40.35 | Mece | errm |
| 13:41.10 | Stskeeps | flailingmonkey: minutes are published to mailing list |
| 13:41.38 | flailingmonkey | US east coast is in a bad timezone for those meetings :( |
| 13:42.00 | dneary | X-Fade, |
| 13:42.06 | dneary | Back |
| 13:42.16 | flailingmonkey | 1 am wednesdays, i believe |
| 13:42.37 | MohammadAG51 | Mece, ? |
| 13:43.02 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, what timezone? |
| 13:43.28 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, that was metaphorical |
| 13:43.36 | lcuk | "early" is the best guess |
| 13:43.39 | lcuk | even for europeans |
| 13:43.41 | MohammadAG51 | riiight |
| 13:43.54 | MohammadAG51 | so what timezone again? |
| 13:43.54 | lcuk | 7am uk time |
| 13:43.57 | MohammadAG51 | :P |
| 13:44.08 | MohammadAG51 | oh, 5AM my time |
| 13:44.14 | MohammadAG51 | err |
| 13:44.18 | MohammadAG51 | 9 |
| 13:44.20 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 13:44.46 | lcuk | as i said :P early |
| 13:45.00 | flailingmonkey | 0600@UTC |
| 13:45.28 | MohammadAG51 | meh |
| 13:45.33 | _abhishek | mmarc__: wow its compiled installed thanks a lot man :) |
| 13:45.34 | MohammadAG51 | i could've lurked |
| 13:45.37 | flailingmonkey | so 2am for me actually |
| 13:45.57 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, thanks, it's down (usbcontrol) |
| 13:46.05 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: welcome, I just learned this today too :) |
| 13:46.14 | _abhishek | mmarc__: :) |
| 13:46.42 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: do not forget to bring both freeglut3 and libgl1 on device too, if you are going to test on device |
| 13:46.59 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: and to place apps outside MyDocs |
| 13:46.59 | lcuk | Stskeeps, would it be an idea to try alternative times to see if others want to be involved |
| 13:47.18 | _abhishek | mmarc__: yeah sure thanks |
| 13:47.34 | Stskeeps | lcuk: dunno, it has to be in 9-17 finnish time ideally |
| 13:48.15 | lcuk | sure but as you see flailingmonkey had an interest and i'd lke to see more of the discussion rather than reading scrollback |
| 13:48.21 | GAN900 | Screw the Finns |
| 13:48.36 | Stskeeps | GAN900: when 90% of the team is in finland, it's hard to |
| 13:48.36 | GAN900 | They so rarely attend meetings anymore anyway. :P |
| 13:48.38 | lcuk | hits GAN900 on the head |
| 13:48.56 | Scelt | GAN900: are you from some other nordic country? |
| 13:49.01 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you just gave a big wide time swath that could be acceptible |
| 13:49.01 | _abhishek | mmarc__: well I got freeglut3-dev.deb for arml but not installing |
| 13:49.12 | lcuk | i speak to finns all day |
| 13:49.26 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: are you installing with dpkg -i ? |
| 13:49.43 | _abhishek | mmarc__: yes |
| 13:49.58 | Scelt | I've found it very annoying that swedes, norwegians and danes have to have a meeting about everything. An hour meeting seems to be mandatory even the matter could be solved in the phone in 5 minutes or by few emails. |
| 13:50.13 | lcuk | Scelt, openness |
| 13:50.23 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: use dpkg, since apt-get will fail due some stupid dependencies. IMO, this is totally stupid that dev (!) package has dependencies :) |
| 13:50.29 | jacekowski | lcuk: timewasting |
| 13:50.34 | lcuk | an hour long coordination meeting in the open is better than a 5 minute private phonecall |
| 13:50.45 | flailingmonkey | it seems that later in the finnish work day would be better, but I understand the difficulties of coordinating global meetings |
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| 13:50.51 | jacekowski | lcuk: sometimes it's better to just fix the problem |
| 13:50.55 | jacekowski | lcuk: and then talk about it |
| 13:50.58 | Scelt | lcuk: it still annoys me |
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| 13:51.14 | Scelt | I'm a Finn. I like to drink, not to chat |
| 13:51.24 | lcuk | sure jacekowski and that happens but sometimes planning and organising requires collaboration |
| 13:51.27 | lcuk | and coordination |
| 13:51.29 | visz | Scelt, our views about this seem to differ. i suggest a meeting for further discussion |
| 13:51.47 | SpeedEvil | visz: You need to come to a compromise that Scelt can live with. |
| 13:51.53 | lcuk | Scelt, let it annoy you, but Stskeeps and the qt people and a lot of the meego work is open and accessible to all (timezones not withstanding)_ |
| 13:51.55 | SpeedEvil | visz: I suggest a meeting with lots of drink. |
| 13:52.01 | visz | =) |
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| 13:52.25 | RST38h | moos at lcook |
| 13:52.41 | lcuk | cooks a trout for rstr |
| 13:52.45 | lcuk | cooks a trout for RST38h |
| 13:52.51 | flailingmonkey | perhaps I'll add detailed stuff to the agenda, if there are things I'd like discussed but can't attend |
| 13:53.05 | flailingmonkey | obviously it would have to explain the question well |
| 13:53.39 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, when things are on the agenda, the meetings like to have a representative to champion it |
| 13:53.42 | lcuk | in the meeting itself |
| 13:53.52 | lcuk | otherwise people wtf at the first point and dont get past it |
| 13:54.05 | flailingmonkey | yeah, i understand |
| 13:54.08 | Scelt | visz: I'm very relieved that I can answer you no. There was a time when a norwegian boss told me to and I had to obey |
| 13:54.44 | Funnyface | did someone here try easy debian? did the sound work out for you in the latest image? I can't seem to find any info about it, which makes me wonder if it is only me.. |
| 13:55.39 | mmarc__ | _abhishek: with dpkg -i -f freeglut should install anyway, but it will still complain about missing dependencies. Currently I dont have better solution, but this one works. |
| 13:56.01 | Scelt | lcuk: ye, I just let my thinkings out loud. I agree to disagree |
| 13:56.51 | lcuk | Scelt, disagree all you like,but openness requires more open coordination even if that requires more work |
| 13:57.17 | lcuk | and Stskeeps is doing a great job at it |
| 13:57.35 | Scelt | lcuk: sure. I didn't talk about maemo, meego or anything. I was just talking about annoying scandinavian habbits |
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| 13:57.49 | mmarc__ | anybody compiled midnight commander for maemo? |
| 13:57.56 | mmarc__ | any issues with it? |
| 13:58.06 | mmarc__ | or simply compiles from source? |
| 13:58.10 | _abhishek | mmarc__: thanks |
| 13:58.15 | achipa | mmarc__: it's in Extras :) |
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| 14:03.31 | mmarc__ | achipa: great news! thanks |
| 14:04.33 | lcuk | Scelt, i think we should take up SpeedEvil's suggestion of a meetign to clarify your objectives |
| 14:05.12 | mmarc__ | YAY! My OpenGL sample executes on device, one thing: the keyboard is not working |
| 14:06.13 | achipa | X-Fade: that hoops thing is really stubborn - it's back again :) |
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| 14:06.40 | flailingmonkey | a keyboard focus issue? |
| 14:07.29 | mmarc__ | flailingmonkey: sorry, I don't know. Original OpenGL apps were using straight keyboard callbacks |
| 14:07.32 | Scelt | lcuk: I think it was visz |
| 14:07.32 | lcuk | mmarc__, sure if you arent using gtk or qt the keyboard focusing doesnt hold |
| 14:07.41 | lcuk | Scelt, sure but you can come too |
| 14:08.01 | mmarc__ | flailingmonkey: hmm, but yes, the symbols I'm typing are echoed on the underlying X terminal I'm starting from |
| 14:08.12 | mmarc__ | flailingmonkey: and no gtk, no qt |
| 14:08.26 | flailingmonkey | Scelt, otherwise the meeting wouldn't represent all view points |
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| 14:08.43 | flailingmonkey | :-p |
| 14:08.44 | mmarc__ | flailingmonkey: you mean I need some extra circuit to get keyboard focus in my app? |
| 14:09.13 | Scelt | lcuk: ;NO! I've flown too many times for no real reason. It has to end |
| 14:09.27 | rlinfati | hi, how i can disable the software updater on maemo5 ? |
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| 14:10.26 | flailingmonkey | rlinfati, I suppose you could go into app manager and disable every repository |
| 14:10.44 | jaska | you can change the update interval |
| 14:10.45 | flailingmonkey | i don't know what controls the schedule of update checks though |
| 14:11.21 | mmarc__ | OMG, why so black font in mc?? |
| 14:11.23 | jaska | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo |
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| 14:11.36 | mmarc__ | are you going to hurt your eyes?.. |
| 14:11.37 | jaska | at Disabling Auto Updates Check |
| 14:12.07 | mmarc__ | ah, the black font is for hidden files |
| 14:12.40 | rlinfati | jaska, thanks !! |
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| 14:23.14 | X-Fade | achipa: Ah crap, nice bug. |
| 14:23.22 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 14:23.37 | MohammadAG51 | Zoutube broke grrr |
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| 14:37.23 | MohammadAG51 | is the zoutube download function broken for anyone? |
| 14:37.45 | vldcnst | yes, hasn't worked for days |
| 14:38.50 | zaheerm | which version? |
| 14:38.57 | zaheerm | the one in extras-devel or extras? |
| 14:39.31 | MohammadAG51 | well |
| 14:39.36 | MohammadAG51 | the extras one is just borked |
| 14:39.47 | MohammadAG51 | the -devel one can't download |
| 14:40.01 | zaheerm | will fix the download and push another one into -devel today |
| 14:41.29 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, oh you're the dev? |
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| 14:42.03 | th3hate | tried to download zoutube yesterday, it's broken for me too |
| 14:42.03 | zaheerm | yes |
| 14:43.22 | MohammadAG51 | cutributeError: YoutubeWithMediaPlayer instance has no attribute 'current_format' |
| 14:43.25 | MohammadAG51 | err |
| 14:43.29 | MohammadAG51 | AttirbuteError* |
| 14:43.38 | MohammadAG51 | missed the first two letters |
| 14:43.51 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, thx you saw that on console when doing what? |
| 14:44.02 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
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| 14:44.43 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, as a quick fix, what are these variables |
| 14:44.46 | MohammadAG51 | http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=%s&t=%s |
| 14:45.00 | MohammadAG51 | %s is the video 'ID' right |
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| 14:45.24 | zaheerm | what line number do you see that error? |
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| 14:45.53 | zaheerm | 667? |
| 14:46.15 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, k found the bug, fixing now and packaging it up |
| 14:46.42 | MohammadAG51 | 667 |
| 14:46.50 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 14:47.00 | MohammadAG51 | cool, thanks :) |
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| 14:47.41 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, 15 minutes till the importer runs |
| 14:47.54 | MohammadAG51 | :) |
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| 14:48.50 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, well building local package first |
| 14:50.03 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, I'm just saying, you have ten mins to upload if you want it there asap :P |
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| 14:51.06 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, lol pushed it to autobuilder |
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| 14:52.36 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, cool, then it should be there at :5 |
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| 14:52.50 | frals | Mece: pong |
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| 14:53.27 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, ok it was successful in autobuilder |
| 14:53.44 | MohammadAG51 | well, it's a python app :P |
| 14:54.26 | Mece | frals, I forget what I pinged you about :P |
| 14:54.43 | th3hate | Is there a way to check if the vibrator is dead? like a terminal command |
| 14:54.51 | Appiah | healthcheck |
| 14:55.01 | Appiah | is good for checking everything |
| 14:55.17 | celesteh | my syncing to google has been screwed up since around the time of the last OS upgrade |
| 14:55.35 | MohammadAG51 | th3hate, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
| 14:55.38 | MohammadAG51 | i think |
| 14:55.39 | th3hate | Maybe something like: # ls /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/ ? |
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| 14:56.13 | chem|st | Appiah: turn on touchscreen vibration |
| 14:56.25 | Appiah | chem|st: ? |
| 14:56.30 | MohammadAG51 | it's very rare for the whole vibration controller to break |
| 14:56.47 | MohammadAG51 | Appiah, he pinged the wrong guy :P |
| 14:56.56 | Appiah | oh |
| 14:56.57 | chem|st | Appiah: settings > display >touch screen vibration |
| 14:56.58 | Appiah | is slow |
| 14:57.12 | chem|st | Appiah: no its me sry |
| 14:57.13 | MohammadAG51 | chem|st, he never asked for it lol |
| 14:57.15 | chem|st | ;) |
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| 14:57.27 | MohammadAG51 | slaps crashanddie |
| 14:57.30 | chem|st | MohammadAG51: jeah overread it... was the guy above |
| 14:57.45 | chem|st | th3hate: read it? |
| 14:57.59 | dneary | Still stuch |
| 14:58.14 | dneary | I've added a bunch of wfDebugs in there now, and nothing gives |
| 14:58.33 | dneary | X-Fade, When you do this kind of thing, how do you do the debugging? |
| 14:59.08 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, yes makes it a quick build too :) |
| 14:59.57 | th3hate | chem|st: Vibrator only vibrator stops working after 10 mins of uptime, but works first 10 mins |
| 15:00.03 | th3hate | what do you think the problem is? |
| 15:01.36 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, did the old app use the DSP? |
| 15:02.09 | MohammadAG51 | the old version allowed videos in the background |
| 15:02.11 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, yes for h264 decoding |
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| 15:02.36 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, oh, so why did you switch to the media player? |
| 15:02.42 | zaheerm | correct, it allowed videos in background...now i shifted responsibility to the media player |
| 15:03.05 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, because its video widget is better |
| 15:03.26 | DrGrov | How is there no themes in extras repositories now? Just the an-DROID theme? |
| 15:03.33 | zaheerm | and i haven't had time to improve the one in zoutube much, so until i do i will leave it to media player |
| 15:03.36 | DrGrov | No other ones? Is it really this slow development in themes? |
| 15:03.59 | Stskeeps | DrGrov: people don't test themes, it seems |
| 15:04.35 | MohammadAG51 | I don't |
| 15:04.49 | DrGrov | Stskeeps: yes it does seem like that. there seems to be many themes in the devel repositories |
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| 15:04.59 | Mece | is carbon in testing? awesome theme! |
| 15:05.01 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: the motor breaking is not uncommon |
| 15:05.14 | DrGrov | Themes are generally considered "safe" to install without any major complications? |
| 15:05.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 15:05.51 | Mece | DrGrov, there are no guarantees with devel stuff though. |
| 15:05.59 | SpeedEvil | though in some cases themes can mean you can't see hte screen |
| 15:06.06 | SpeedEvil | so to be safe - stick with extras |
| 15:07.10 | DrGrov | Mece: ok, so better to stay away then? |
| 15:07.22 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ah, then it is definitely that I stay away LOL |
| 15:07.45 | Tachikoma | the problem with devel and testing at least for me is that once i see all the stuff available I want to try it out :) |
| 15:07.50 | Mece | drgrov, wouldn't say that. it could be a good idea to check tmo for comments on said theme before installing. |
| 15:08.17 | DrGrov | Mece: yes, I will try them if comments are positive. There is the beautiful Nuvofre theme I would love to test. |
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| 15:08.26 | Tachikoma | Are all themes in testing/devel optified yet? I would not assume that |
| 15:08.44 | Mece | tachikoma, no idea. |
| 15:08.44 | Tachikoma | DrGrov: where do you know from how the theme looks like? |
| 15:08.52 | SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: It's not unreasonable to do so - also - look at the app page - to see if there are any 'this app ate my kitten' reports. |
| 15:08.57 | SpeedEvil | And any thumbs-down |
| 15:09.00 | Mece | tachikoma, announce thread on tmo |
| 15:09.08 | DrGrov | Tachikoma: i have seen screenshots |
| 15:09.15 | Tachikoma | Mece: I just relized the nokia shipped themes are eating up quite some spae on / - so i would not be surprised if others do that as well |
| 15:09.17 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ |
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| 15:09.29 | SpeedEvil | For example. |
| 15:09.39 | SpeedEvil | The top item on that list has karma 15 - rapier. |
| 15:09.40 | Tachikoma | DrGrov: yes - where - i always look for screenshots - already started to make my own so i can better compare |
| 15:09.56 | SpeedEvil | That may mean that 15 more people voted it up than voted it down |
| 15:09.57 | Mece | thanks speedevil, I was just about to ask for a link to the queue |
| 15:09.59 | ZogG | is back (gone 106:29:48) |
| 15:10.01 | DrGrov | Tachikoma: ok, let me find it for you |
| 15:10.05 | SpeedEvil | so it's probably safe to install. |
| 15:10.35 | DrGrov | Tachikoma: http://www.mobile-geeks.com/2010/02/09/maemo-theme-nuvofre-theme-for-nokia-n900/ |
| 15:10.36 | SpeedEvil | Then you click on the version page - http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/rapier/1.0.5-3/ |
| 15:10.44 | Tachikoma | DrGrov: thanks, bookmarked |
| 15:11.05 | DrGrov | This Nuvofre theme is something that definitely should get into extras hopefully fast as possible |
| 15:11.21 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, looks like it got imported - checking |
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| 15:11.26 | SpeedEvil | And you see that the GUI probably isn't very pretty - and it sticks a hundred k in / - but nobody making any 'broke my device' comments |
| 15:11.34 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, thx |
| 15:11.44 | SpeedEvil | (this of course doesn't mean it won't break your device) |
| 15:12.20 | DrGrov | Tachikoma: you are welcome |
| 15:13.00 | Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? I have a script to install from testing and extras that does basically record disk space, powertop oputput and some other things, then installs a package and then recoords the values again - then some awk/diff and i usually have a pretty good impression about the optification and so on |
| 15:13.33 | SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: that would be a good thing to polish a little, and share. |
| 15:14.07 | Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: i believe so, I was a bit active in the beginnig of the Qa discussion but soon got bored |
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| 15:14.09 | SpeedEvil | you know about sync? |
| 15:14.33 | SpeedEvil | Even just jam it up on http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist |
| 15:14.43 | SpeedEvil | as a link saying 'work in progress, please fix' |
| 15:15.17 | Tachikoma | right now i don;t have it, i reflashed when 1.2 came out to factory state, no backups - but will redo that soon |
| 15:16.01 | Tachikoma | And my personal experience with testing and devel is that there are only very few really broken packages. |
| 15:16.23 | Tachikoma | it's more issues like wronf screen resolution and such things |
| 15:16.24 | zaheerm | Tachikoma, devel is straight from autobuilder so definitely will be quite a few broken ones! |
| 15:16.34 | Tachikoma | zaheerm: i di only hit a few yet |
| 15:16.45 | Tachikoma | but also installed only based on my needs, so mostly games ;) |
| 15:16.47 | Mece | hey nice. I have 214 more karma than last time I checked :D |
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| 15:16.53 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, yep, you fixed it, thanks :) |
| 15:17.06 | MohammadAG51 | zaheerm, why don't you push it into extras-testing? |
| 15:17.14 | MohammadAG51 | the one in extras is borked |
| 15:17.31 | zaheerm | MohammadAG51, yah will do |
| 15:17.31 | Tachikoma | but with the whole meego/harmattan stuff going on I do not actively ork on anything related to n900 at the moment |
| 15:17.40 | SpeedEvil | Mine too. |
| 15:17.54 | Tachikoma | I don;t even know anymore what the current devel system is, i assume that scratchbox got replaced? |
| 15:17.56 | SpeedEvil | Worst thing I've seen with extras-devel is apps that can't be exited |
| 15:18.06 | Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: ssh into the box |
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| 15:18.23 | SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: or power-button/camera button to get to a menu |
| 15:18.27 | Tachikoma | and then ctrl/backspace goes to taskmanager screen where i can kill |
| 15:18.52 | SpeedEvil | camera is probably more reliable - ctrl-backspace doesn't work sometimes for me |
| 15:18.54 | SpeedEvil | dunno why |
| 15:19.15 | Tachikoma | what annoys much more are the non adopted apps that assume that every keyboard in the world has an up, down, left and right key :) |
| 15:19.32 | hrw | Jaffa: I updated bug 8369 |
| 15:19.33 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8369 "Something went wrong" error when browser switchboard is installed |
| 15:19.36 | Tachikoma | well - the german keyboard layout does not really have an own button for each of these directions ... |
| 15:19.37 | flux | tachikoma, well, to be fair, it's not that bad assumption :) |
| 15:20.00 | Tachikoma | there the up and down key is shift combined with the left and right key ... |
| 15:20.15 | SpeedEvil | A bit more requirements might be nice. |
| 15:20.16 | Tachikoma | flux: i'm not really complaining here ;) |
| 15:20.32 | flux | (grumble grumble, would one extra row of keys have killed them..) |
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| 15:20.45 | SpeedEvil | 'Your app if it's a statusbar widget, or may be invisible to the user when running must appear in settings' |
| 15:20.48 | Tachikoma | as long as i can switch to us layout, which i now try to memorize so i don;t have to use german anymore at all |
| 15:20.52 | SpeedEvil | For example. |
| 15:21.25 | Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: you mean the descriptions? |
| 15:22.18 | SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: I mean - for example - I ahve 'lens cover reminder' installed. |
| 15:22.55 | SpeedEvil | Without the entry in the 'settings' application - it would be much harder to work out what I have installed. |
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| 15:23.32 | Tachikoma | well, currently i only have the powerkernel and the mobilehotspot stuff from devel/testing, nothing else - system is still clean |
| 15:23.41 | SpeedEvil | Basically 'stuff that runs with no user interaction and does not appear in the applications list must have some way for the user to discover it's running' or something similar |
| 15:23.52 | frals | timeless_mbp: got any recommended places for takeout around NRC? |
| 15:24.01 | Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: i can't follow - you don't know what you have installed? |
| 15:24.08 | timeless_mbp | what do you want? |
| 15:24.17 | Tachikoma | i check with dpk -l | grep ii |
| 15:24.22 | timeless_mbp | there's a pizza place across the street |
| 15:24.23 | Tachikoma | dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 15:24.25 | timeless_mbp | and a chinese place |
| 15:24.28 | frals | whats available in a short walk except mcd and subway? |
| 15:24.31 | timeless_mbp | there's a subway down the end |
| 15:24.45 | timeless_mbp | there are a few places around the corner from the metro |
| 15:24.48 | SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: I mean for normal users. |
| 15:24.49 | frals | im at holiday inn atm |
| 15:24.50 | Tachikoma | dpkg -l to my knowledge shows every installed package |
| 15:24.55 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 15:24.57 | SpeedEvil | Tachikoma: I just read hex-dumps of the filesystem. |
| 15:25.02 | frals | the chinese any good? |
| 15:25.06 | Tachikoma | SpeedEvil: oh, ok |
| 15:25.09 | timeless_mbp | i'm quite happy w/ it |
| 15:25.13 | Tachikoma | didn't get that |
| 15:25.14 | timeless_mbp | note this is the one across from nokia |
| 15:25.16 | Jaffa | hrw: Cool. I think 0.8.1's postinst sets that command (now in -devel). Testing welcome. |
| 15:25.19 | timeless_mbp | the one closer to you costs more at night |
| 15:25.22 | frals | ok |
| 15:25.32 | timeless_mbp | (it's a good deal during lunch hour where it's an all you can eat buffet) |
| 15:25.41 | frals | well it takes like 5min to go to NRC from here so |
| 15:25.47 | Tachikoma | yeha, i would not recommend testing / devel to normal users despite my not too bad experience up to now |
| 15:25.52 | timeless_mbp | but definitely check out the shops to the right of the metro |
| 15:26.24 | timeless_mbp | Nokia | McD's | Metro | Food places | <random stuff> | You |
| 15:26.36 | timeless_mbp | Nokia and You are on the wrong side of the street, but |
| 15:26.37 | timeless_mbp | has to run |
| 15:26.39 | frals | alright, cheers |
| 15:26.40 | timeless_mbp | Apt meeting |
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| 15:26.45 | frals | have fun o/ |
| 15:26.52 | Jaffa | hrw: Nope, it'll be in 0.8.2 which'll go out this evening |
| 15:27.06 | timeless_mbp | if you can wait an hour |
| 15:27.14 | timeless_mbp | sp3000 and myself could do dinner w/ ya |
| 15:27.17 | Mece | hey how should one approach uninstallation of something that replaces a part of the firmware? |
| 15:27.30 | SpeedEvil | put it back? |
| 15:27.38 | SpeedEvil | i don't see another solution. |
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| 15:28.00 | Mece | speedevil, yeah, but how? |
| 15:28.27 | Mece | I'm talking about how one could automate it.. |
| 15:28.27 | SpeedEvil | copy it in preinstall, put it back in uninstall? |
| 15:28.31 | hrw | Jaffa: ok, will try it on monday |
| 15:28.36 | SpeedEvil | isn't sure how this packaging stuff works. |
| 15:28.58 | Mece | speedevil, sure.. postinst and preinst scripts. |
| 15:29.25 | Mece | i mean preinst and postrm |
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| 15:35.44 | flailingmonkey | wouldn't you just copy original somewhere in preinst, and copy it back in postrm? or is the problem that it would be inus |
| 15:35.51 | flailingmonkey | s/inus/use |
| 15:36.17 | flailingmonkey | how do I make infobot fix my mistakes? |
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| 15:36.55 | hcm | flailingmonkey: use a trailing slash |
| 15:38.08 | hcm | s/trailing/trailed/ |
| 15:38.12 | hcm | ;) |
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| 15:38.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | he knows even global substtitution when he's told so |
| 15:38.58 | frals | timeless_mbp: im about to die from starvation, but some other evening :) |
| 15:39.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/he /she /g |
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| 15:39.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz, or not |
| 15:39.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | blah |
| 15:39.47 | hcm | is there a autokick on some forbidden words? then you could kick infobot using this substitution feature ;) |
| 15:39.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | he knows even global substtitution when he is told so |
| 15:39.57 | Mece | flailingmonkey, that probly would work. |
| 15:39.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/he /she /g |
| 15:40.04 | crashanddie | hcm: autokick is lame |
| 15:40.20 | flailingmonkey | aaah |
| 15:40.29 | hcm | crashanddie: yes, but it would be fun tu kick infobot :P |
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| 15:40.40 | crashanddie | why? |
| 15:40.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: whe? |
| 15:40.48 | marmoute | does she know about regexp ? |
| 15:40.50 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: she? |
| 15:41.06 | marmoute | s/^does/hoy/ |
| 15:41.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~attack jacekowski |
| 15:41.11 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing jacekowski |
| 15:41.17 | SpeedEvil | DCC SE |
| 15:41.21 | Mece | docscrutinizer, did you ever get that modded filemanager? |
| 15:41.27 | SpeedEvil | s/SE/SEND startk/ |
| 15:41.30 | jacekowski | ~confess |
| 15:41.31 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 15:41.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | Mece: 1.1.1 here |
| 15:41.45 | jacekowski | hmm, bot on #amarok has ~confess |
| 15:42.05 | jacekowski | 17:41 < jacekowski> ~confess |
| 15:42.05 | jacekowski | 17:41 <@insanity> i am going out with the guy its been almost a year. i dont love him at all but i dont have the guts to break up with him because he is head over heals for me and it will completely break him. it hurts be to be with him because i want to be with other people. But i cant |
| 15:42.11 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.25 | Mece | docscrutinizer, ah. probly wont work then. what do you get on dpkg -l libhildonfm2 |
| 15:42.38 | jacekowski | there used to be two bots on that channel |
| 15:42.40 | dneary | X-Fade, Restarting both memcached and apache doesn't appear to have the desired effect |
| 15:42.50 | flailingmonkey | the problem you run into is if the file gets changed by another update. but that fortunately takes forever with Maemo 5 :P |
| 15:42.59 | dneary | I'm starting to wonder if it's picking up the includes somewhere else... |
| 15:43.13 | crashanddie | hcm: http://bash.org/?178890 |
| 15:43.21 | X-Fade | dneary: Then you need to trace if that happens. |
| 15:43.32 | dneary | So, that's the problem |
| 15:43.37 | Mece | flailingmonkey, well that would only need a reinstallation. besides the program would prevent ota update. |
| 15:43.40 | dneary | I asked how you did your tracing before |
| 15:43.40 | hcm | crashanddie: yes I know that one ;) |
| 15:43.55 | dneary | Because all the wfDebug() calls I'm putting in never get logged |
| 15:43.58 | X-Fade | dneary: Just printing. |
| 15:44.06 | flailingmonkey | aha |
| 15:44.23 | dneary | And a simple print will go into Apache's logs? |
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| 15:44.48 | X-Fade | dneary: No, the page itself. |
| 15:45.08 | dneary | X-Fade, I've been avoiding that because it's quite disruptive |
| 15:45.26 | X-Fade | dneary: Print it inside html comments then? |
| 15:45.34 | X-Fade | dneary: <!-- --> |
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| 15:48.18 | dneary | X-Fade, I know what HTML comments look like |
| 15:48.46 | dneary | X-Fade, I also know that mediawiki uses some kind of weird templating system to allow for internationalisation and all that jazz... |
| 15:48.59 | dneary | I'll figure something out. |
| 15:49.33 | X-Fade | dneary: Write it out to file then? |
| 15:49.38 | dneary | I still don't get how you see this happening |
| 15:50.08 | X-Fade | dneary: debugging is a bit of a black art. |
| 15:50.15 | dneary | I say "I've made a bunch of changes to files to log things, but nothing is getting logged, I think the files might be getting picked up from somewhere else" |
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| 15:50.20 | dneary | and you say "add traces then" |
| 15:50.50 | dneary | Have you ever hacked around with mediawiki? |
| 15:51.00 | dneary | I am missing something... |
| 15:51.10 | dneary | Anyway - like I said, I'll figure it out eventually |
| 15:51.12 | X-Fade | dneary: Sure I have. It is just php. |
| 15:51.36 | Mece | what's our policy on stuff that replaces bits of firmware? will stuff like that ever make it to extras? |
| 15:51.51 | X-Fade | Mece: If it breaks SSU, probably not. |
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| 15:52.41 | Mece | x-fade, ok. |
| 15:53.26 | alterego | what's the problem with chromium? |
| 15:53.29 | X-Fade | Mece: Although you could start thinking about a community SSU like we have for Diablo. |
| 15:53.36 | alterego | why has it been removed? |
| 15:53.46 | alterego | Is google being ghey? |
| 15:54.03 | X-Fade | No, not google. |
| 15:54.16 | X-Fade | Some company having issues with google. |
| 15:54.18 | alterego | oh, then who? |
| 15:54.25 | alterego | oh, weird |
| 15:54.29 | SpeedEvil | Nokias lawyers. |
| 15:54.34 | X-Fade | No. |
| 15:54.40 | Mece | x-fade, that would be sweet. |
| 15:54.45 | X-Fade | Red Bend |
| 15:54.47 | crashanddie | God I'm so frigging bored |
| 15:54.54 | SpeedEvil | Seem to be worried about a cease and desist order from some company that alledge chromium is using their technology. |
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| 15:55.16 | dneary | partial result |
| 15:55.18 | SpeedEvil | The version of chromium in the repo had those bits ripped out. But the lawyers were still reportedly unhappy. |
| 15:55.22 | dneary | Broke something |
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| 15:59.18 | ptl | MohammadAG51: are you there? |
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| 15:59.49 | Mece | i'm off. toodles. |
| 16:00.01 | ptl | MohammadAG51: I've read a post by you where you compiled a non-crippled version of apt for the N900 -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=58454 - but the URL does not work. Do you still have it? |
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| 16:11.11 | frals | o/ VDVsx |
| 16:11.19 | Stskeeps | moo frals, vdvsx |
| 16:11.40 | frals | ehlo Stskeeps |
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| 16:12.26 | Stskeeps | is really not happy about it being 31 C outside |
| 16:12.41 | flailingmonkey | ouch, where are you |
| 16:12.47 | dneary | X-Fade, Found it |
| 16:12.55 | dneary | X-Fade, Evil evil stuff |
| 16:13.34 | frals | Stskeeps: send it over here... summer in finland means its clear blue sky but you can still wear a jacket without breaking a sweat :| |
| 16:13.37 | dneary | X-Fade, There was an out-of-date includes directory in /var/lib/mediawiki, and a different, modified, also out-of-date one in /usr/share§mediawiki |
| 16:13.58 | dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Contributions/dneary works now |
| 16:14.12 | X-Fade | dneary: Hmm, not good. |
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| 16:14.20 | X-Fade | dneary: Symlink gone bad? |
| 16:14.29 | dneary | And I am going to do what has been done for every other directory and make /var/lib/includes a symlink |
| 16:14.36 | dneary | Just no symlink at all |
| 16:14.50 | dneary | It's a messy set-up |
| 16:15.01 | dneary | So I was right about not being in the right place |
| 16:15.07 | X-Fade | Hmm I guess it is a copy of the old server, where symlinks got converted to dirs. |
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| 16:15.28 | dneary | I think it's a relic from when I put everything in svn |
| 16:15.52 | dneary | ferenc probably just did an svn co of the includes in both places |
| 16:16.00 | dneary | And the "wrong" one was getting picked up |
| 16:17.04 | dneary | The funny thing was, includes/Wiki.php was getting taken from /usr/share/mediawiki, but all of the rest of the includes were getting picked up from /var/lib/mediawiki - not sure how that happened |
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| 16:23.36 | BCMM | how can i clear my dns cache? |
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| 16:29.51 | mmarc__ | hi, guys, could you please suggest a best set of optimization options for gcc on n900? |
| 16:31.00 | derf | -O2 |
| 16:31.16 | mmarc__ | cmon, how about mtune? |
| 16:31.27 | derf | All of that should be set correctly by default in the SDK. |
| 16:32.01 | mmarc__ | really? It assumes some optimization defaults when running "gcc" ? |
| 16:32.08 | wolf^ | especially when you're calling gcc from makefile... |
| 16:32.20 | mmarc__ | -mfpu=vfp ? |
| 16:32.40 | derf | It assumes some architecture defaults, because, you know, the people who put the SDK together knew what architecture you'd be targeting. |
| 16:33.00 | wolf^ | mmarc__, I use -O3 -march=armv7-a -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp -ftree-vectorize -ffast-math -fsingle-precision-constant |
| 16:33.28 | mmarc__ | that's what I need! Thanks much, wolf^ |
| 16:33.57 | derf | Yay for placebos, I guess. |
| 16:34.48 | wolf^ | yes, your guessing is much better than my benchmarks |
| 16:35.23 | BCMM | O3 - questionable |
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| 16:36.18 | wolf^ | some tight blitter loops were faster with it iirc |
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| 16:39.10 | BCMM | anyway, how does one restart a service? |
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| 16:39.25 | SpeedEvil | start foo |
| 16:39.45 | SpeedEvil | or restart |
| 16:40.10 | dneary | I can't believe I spent nearly 2 days chasing down a fucking ghost |
| 16:40.11 | jcrawford | is there a website anywhere that explains the different icons you see in the status area near the clock> |
| 16:40.19 | dneary | And I still don't understand how that happened |
| 16:40.45 | jcrawford | i see an odd icon that looks like a tilted 8 with a red ! in it but don't see it when I click on the status area and the window appears |
| 16:40.57 | SpeedEvil | screenshot? |
| 16:41.28 | nas_ | maybe is from a widget / application you installed ? ? |
| 16:41.43 | jcrawford | SpeedEvil, if i knew how to take a screen shot on the device i would lol |
| 16:41.51 | SpeedEvil | ctrl-shift-p |
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| 16:43.04 | jcrawford | SpeedEvil, that does not seem to do it for me :( |
| 16:43.09 | jcrawford | at-least they don't show up under pictures |
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| 16:45.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | MyDocs/.images/Screenshots |
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| 16:46.06 | jcrawford | ah |
| 16:46.16 | trumee | anybody using sip on n900? |
| 16:46.26 | Surfa | yes |
| 16:46.41 | jcrawford | ah hell i dont have my computer cable with me, just the charger |
| 16:46.42 | jcrawford | :( |
| 16:46.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | sip, sure |
| 16:46.56 | trumee | Surfa, my voice gets minced after 2 minutes of usage |
| 16:47.15 | Surfa | trumee, ok, haven't talked for 2 minutes (probably( |
| 16:47.18 | trumee | i am running my own * server with g729 |
| 16:47.38 | nextime | trumee: try to use another codec |
| 16:47.51 | nextime | if you are on local LAN mayne just Alaw or Ulaw are ok |
| 16:48.00 | nextime | *meyBe |
| 16:48.02 | nextime | uff |
| 16:48.05 | trumee | nextime: i have used PCMU |
| 16:48.05 | nextime | mAyBe |
| 16:48.06 | nextime | :D |
| 16:48.27 | nextime | trumee : try A-law |
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| 16:48.43 | luke-jr | nextime: now you're just running him through useless hoops |
| 16:49.00 | luke-jr | trying g729 and ulaw means it isn't a codec-related issue |
| 16:49.03 | trumee | nextime: Bug 6936 is what i am facing |
| 16:49.04 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936 Caller voice gets minced after some time when taking call via SIP |
| 16:49.27 | trumee | the devs think it is fixed but it is not |
| 16:49.30 | nextime | luke-jr : depend if on the asterisk side it is doing transcoding or not |
| 16:49.40 | nextime | usually the ppstn use a-law |
| 16:49.45 | trumee | i have to use n95 to make sip calls now :( |
| 16:49.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm quite sure a audio problem showing up after 120s won't depend on codec used |
| 16:49.53 | nextime | so, using another codec, even u-law, can make the call problematic |
| 16:49.55 | jcrawford | where are the photos taken with the camera stored? I want to copy the screenshot there from term so that i can email it to post :) |
| 16:50.02 | luke-jr | nextime: err, usually not in my experience |
| 16:50.39 | luke-jr | basically every ITSP I've seen supports ulaw |
| 16:50.43 | luke-jr | I've never seen anyone use alw |
| 16:50.46 | luke-jr | alaw* |
| 16:50.48 | trumee | i am running my own * server. the extensions are remote though. the calls doesnt go over pstn at all. |
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| 16:51.43 | nextime | luke-jr : at least here both BRI and PRI ISDN are default on alaw |
| 16:51.54 | trumee | doesnt n900 use sofia sip stack. why is this opensource implementation buggy. |
| 16:52.15 | nextime | anyway, this was why i was saying "try alaw" |
| 16:52.25 | luke-jr | nextime: of course, ISDN doesn't exist in the real world... :p |
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| 16:52.34 | nextime | luke-jr : uh? |
| 16:52.36 | RST38h | all right |
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| 16:52.40 | RST38h | what is cooking? |
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| 16:52.42 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i've had isdn at home :P |
| 16:52.44 | trumee | anybody here actually uses sip over wifi a lot? i am interested to know what codec they use. |
| 16:52.48 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 16:52.51 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: you're in Poland, not the real world |
| 16:52.51 | nextime | luke-jr : i don't know where you live, but here isdn is very common |
| 16:52.52 | luke-jr | :p |
| 16:52.56 | nextime | every home line is ISDN |
| 16:52.59 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: was in denmark |
| 16:52.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:53.22 | RST38h | ISDN? Eh.... |
| 16:53.31 | nextime | luke-jr : i'm in europe :) |
| 16:53.34 | nextime | here isdn is very common |
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| 16:53.41 | trumee | so any recommendations for codec from real sip users? |
| 16:54.13 | MOUD | How can I use my 3G internet to my laptop via wireless? |
| 16:54.20 | luke-jr | nextime: ISDN is basically non-existent in the Americas |
| 16:54.52 | microlith | ISDN had its day |
| 16:54.55 | nextime | luke-jr : true, but america is only about 8% of the population of the world :) |
| 16:54.57 | microlith | long sinc epassed |
| 16:55.08 | nextime | america -> usa |
| 16:55.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: you maintain twinkle too? |
| 16:55.23 | luke-jr | nextime: and Europe is what? 5%? |
| 16:55.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: a little bit |
| 16:55.34 | nextime | luke-jr : not so many less than america |
| 16:55.38 | luke-jr | nextime: America is more than USA |
| 16:55.47 | Tachikoma | mh, in germany you can not get anything but a isdn line for pots |
| 16:55.59 | RST38h | luke: It is USA and Colonies |
| 16:56.02 | Tachikoma | i mean i wanted analog but that was simply not available anymoe |
| 16:56.05 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: how can i get decent log from * for the devs |
| 16:56.06 | RST38h | ducks |
| 16:56.13 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: sure, but of all the countries I know anything about, Germany is the most screwed up |
| 16:56.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: no idea |
| 16:56.37 | nextime | luke-jr : as google there are more people in europe than in us :) |
| 16:56.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | jcrawford: you found DCIM? |
| 16:56.56 | luke-jr | nextime: my point was that China easily trivializes both |
| 16:57.00 | Tachikoma | well, that won't make isdn go away any time soon there |
| 16:57.06 | nextime | luke-jr : right, and china has isdn too! |
| 16:57.15 | Tachikoma | rotfl |
| 16:57.19 | trumee | this sip issue is real frustrating for me. |
| 16:57.20 | RST38h | does it? |
| 16:57.21 | jcrawford | yes i found it copied it there and am trying to email it now but seems to keep failing to send grrrr |
| 16:57.25 | nextime | lol |
| 16:57.29 | trumee | makes the tablet unusable |
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| 16:57.42 | nextime | trumee : anyway, try to debug the call on the * side |
| 16:57.46 | luke-jr | nextime: no, China has MIW |
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| 16:58.20 | MOUD | anyone? |
| 16:58.25 | luke-jr | is someone. |
| 16:58.33 | trumee | nextime: is there any test sip number i can call? |
| 16:58.35 | SpeedEvil | is everyone. |
| 16:58.41 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: liar |
| 16:58.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: probably blame pulse audio for it |
| 16:58.54 | nextime | trumee: wait just a second |
| 16:58.58 | MOUD | okayyyyy. |
| 16:59.09 | MOUD | How can I use my 3G internet to my laptop via wireless? |
| 16:59.10 | nextime | i will put online a sip number with an Echo() |
| 16:59.18 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: so it is not sip stack issue, rather than pulse audio? |
| 16:59.23 | luke-jr | MOUD: that's called tethering, and is usually against your provider's ToS |
| 16:59.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: not sure |
| 16:59.42 | trumee | nextime: you use alaw codec? |
| 16:59.43 | MOUD | luke-jr: but is it possible with n900? |
| 16:59.48 | luke-jr | MOUD: yes. |
| 16:59.59 | jcrawford | DocScrutinizer, OviShare does not want to seem to upload the 500kb image either grr |
| 17:00.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: just PA is known to be crap. I frequently blame it for all unclear issues |
| 17:00.38 | Tachikoma | luke-jr: in germany it's not against every providers Tos anymore, mine allows it by now if i read it right ... |
| 17:00.58 | MOUD | gonna give a try. Does it need any special configuration? |
| 17:01.01 | Tachikoma | but then again i also have a contract that was so early they did not yet think of putting that restirction in :) |
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| 17:01.24 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: yeah right. it's illegal to run an open AP in Germany |
| 17:01.26 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: the * debug log wont help if it is a PA problem? |
| 17:01.31 | luke-jr | MOUD: of course |
| 17:01.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 17:01.38 | luke-jr | MOUD: might even need to recompile your kernel |
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| 17:02.06 | MOUD | luke-jr: :S ok, tks for the info :) |
| 17:02.27 | nextime | trumee : try to call 123456@skylive.astronomix.org |
| 17:02.37 | nextime | corecode seve6 |
| 17:02.38 | trumee | nextime: thanks |
| 17:02.40 | nextime | ops |
| 17:02.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: first: what kind of problem are you facing? |
| 17:02.47 | luke-jr | MOUD: you might need to use ad-hoc wifi mode, too |
| 17:02.51 | luke-jr | not sure if N900 supports AP mode |
| 17:02.53 | Tachikoma | luke-jr: yeah - an open one. It's not illegal to run a encrypted one. In fact it's not even legal to run an encrypted one where the random number that was printed on the access point and is the preconfigured passphrase has not been changed after setting it up the first time ... |
| 17:03.12 | jcrawford | finally got it on ovishare but now to actually remove it from being private lol |
| 17:03.13 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: yeah, exactly. Germany is insane. |
| 17:03.17 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: remote voice gets muffled after 2 minutes |
| 17:03.23 | microlith | luke-jr: wasn't it said that the wifi firmware explicitly disables that mode? |
| 17:03.24 | Tachikoma | luke-jr: nope - germ,any is freaking old |
| 17:03.33 | RST38h | ahhahaha: http://pics.livejournal.com/cd_riper/pic/000ebgzs/ |
| 17:03.41 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: and senile/insane |
| 17:03.43 | Tachikoma | just look at the average age, its something like 42 |
| 17:03.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: that's strange |
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| 17:04.14 | flailingmonkey | for sharing over wifi, joikuspot? |
| 17:04.17 | MOUD | luke-jr: I'll try with default settings. If it doesn't work i'll try playing with it later |
| 17:04.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: you know, if it was a omap3 and with n810 design.. |
| 17:04.20 | Tachikoma | so the people in charge here have not the slightest clue about what they are doing when it comes to technology, also expleins the extremely rapid growth of the pirate party here |
| 17:04.23 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: Bug 6936 |
| 17:04.24 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6936 Caller voice gets minced after some time when taking call via SIP |
| 17:04.25 | nextime | flailingmonkey |
| 17:04.27 | nextime | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=450777#post450777 |
| 17:04.37 | jcrawford | DocScrutinizer, what is your email i will share with you :) |
| 17:04.44 | jcrawford | whomever can tell me what this icon is haha |
| 17:04.55 | jcrawford | wait i will just upload to image service |
| 17:04.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | jcrawford: share what? |
| 17:04.56 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Actually, N810 is kinda flimsy when compared to n900, and the keyboard is worse... |
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| 17:05.01 | Tachikoma | at kleast germany forbitd google to take pictures of public streets :) |
| 17:05.04 | frals | bah why have ppl thumbed down the statement that chromium was pulled |
| 17:05.09 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: I am anti-piracy of course |
| 17:05.20 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: yeah, more insanity there |
| 17:05.28 | Tachikoma | luke-jr: pirate party is that as well, most people do not understand that. |
| 17:05.35 | crashanddie | bollocks |
| 17:05.41 | jcrawford | DocScrutinizer, this screenshot :) |
| 17:05.45 | RST38h | What is wrong with taking pictures of public streets btw? |
| 17:05.47 | luke-jr | Tachikoma: then why call themselves piracy? |
| 17:05.58 | luke-jr | RST38h: nothing, just Germany being retarded |
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| 17:06.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | jcrawford: I don't need that |
| 17:06.04 | Tachikoma | nobody calls themself piracy |
| 17:06.05 | crashanddie | pirate party are a bunch of idiots who hide behind "we're against piracy", when really they just want to download shit, without caring of copyright |
| 17:06.11 | Tachikoma | its pirates |
| 17:06.32 | Surfa | crashanddie, since when are they officially against piracy? |
| 17:06.35 | luke-jr | crashanddie: so? |
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| 17:06.41 | xkr47-DI | hi |
| 17:06.46 | Surfa | at least in finland i've never seen such statement |
| 17:06.50 | luke-jr | piracy and copyright are two completely unrelated political issues |
| 17:07.00 | luke-jr | piracy is raiding ships at high seas |
| 17:07.02 | xkr47-DI | Am I missing something.. how do I create an account for the wiki ? |
| 17:07.02 | RST38h | really? |
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| 17:07.07 | luke-jr | copyright is a monopoly over informaton |
| 17:07.10 | jcrawford | http://tinypic.com/r/25s390h/6 |
| 17:07.12 | Tachikoma | crashanddie: that depends on the country, in germany many people joined pirate party as the governement was about to implement censorship technology for the internet and was about to store the last 5 years or so connection data of every internet user |
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| 17:07.22 | jcrawford | i need to know what the icon is 2nd from the right in the top row |
| 17:07.23 | xkr47-DI | I went to the wiki.maemo.org and clicked "log in / create account" |
| 17:07.38 | xkr47-DI | but on the page I see no possibility to create an account |
| 17:07.41 | Tachikoma | in sweden the piracy topic is much more viviid, german pirates are more aginats surveillance and censorship |
| 17:08.32 | xkr47-DI | and trying to log in just gives errors |
| 17:08.32 | Surfa | luke-jr, copyright has nothing to do with current understanding of information |
| 17:08.32 | xkr47-DI | can anybody help ? |
| 17:08.32 | trumee | nextime: cant call your number? |
| 17:08.32 | jcrawford | anyone know? |
| 17:08.32 | nextime | in italy google can shot public streets, but they have to cover things that can be bad for privacy like registration numbers of cars ( i don't know the right word in english) and so on |
| 17:08.32 | jcrawford | nextime, censoring |
| 17:08.32 | nextime | trumee: uhmm i don't see anything coming from outside |
| 17:08.36 | trumee | 123456@skylive.astronomix.org ? |
| 17:08.42 | nextime | jcrawford : no, i mean the registration numbers of the cars |
| 17:08.46 | trumee | nextime: 123456@skylive.astronomix.org ? |
| 17:08.49 | nextime | trumee : yep |
| 17:08.54 | jcrawford | can anyone tell me what the 2nd icon from the right in the top row of the status area is? http://tinypic.com/r/25s390h/6 |
| 17:09.13 | Tachikoma | luke-jr: i can only recommend this page to you: http://nothingforungood.com/ |
| 17:09.15 | nextime | i'm in the asterisk cli with verbose set to 6 |
| 17:09.20 | nextime | and i don't see any call coming |
| 17:09.27 | Tachikoma | it will veru strongly improve your view that germany is insane |
| 17:09.27 | jcrawford | nextime, in the use we call them license plates |
| 17:09.30 | nextime | ( no firewalling on 5060 udp ) |
| 17:09.32 | jcrawford | plate number :) |
| 17:09.34 | Tachikoma | and you'll have a good laugh :) |
| 17:09.39 | nextime | jcrawford : yep, plate number is ok :D |
| 17:09.51 | Tachikoma | basicvally its some american guy explainung germany :) |
| 17:10.11 | crashanddie | luke-jr & jcrawford & Tachikoma & nextime: Could we take it to an off-topic channel? |
| 17:10.19 | Tachikoma | crashanddie: already leaving |
| 17:10.32 | lcuk | dneary, \o thanks |
| 17:10.38 | SpeedEvil | jcrawford: Don't recognise it. |
| 17:10.47 | dneary | lcuk, Thanks fer what? |
| 17:10.55 | SpeedEvil | n900fly active? |
| 17:10.56 | jcrawford | SpeedEvil, yea nor do i but sometimes it is a green circle with that ssideways 8 icon |
| 17:11.04 | lcuk | bug 10573 following up and rectifying :D |
| 17:11.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10573 Searching for wiki contributions by username yields no results |
| 17:11.06 | jcrawford | nope |
| 17:11.11 | jcrawford | lunch be back |
| 17:11.56 | nextime | trumee : just tryed from my office to call the * server, it work |
| 17:12.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | jcrawford: never seen |
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| 17:14.18 | MOUD | are the extras catalogs offline? |
| 17:14.46 | trumee | nextime: some problem with my * config |
| 17:15.10 | trumee | nextime: it is not accepting sip addresses ony telephone numbers |
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| 17:16.35 | nextime | trumee : can't you bypass your asterisk registration and directly call from the phone? |
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| 17:16.56 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:17.31 | nextime | need to find the more rapid way to transfer a LOT of contact from the blackberry to the n900 |
| 17:17.33 | trumee | nextime: how would i do that? |
| 17:17.52 | trumee | nextime: disable * register? |
| 17:17.56 | nextime | trumee : just calling sip:123456@skylive.astronomix.org without any registration would do |
| 17:18.00 | MOUD | Is JoikuSpot worth the money? |
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| 17:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: thanks for fixing 19573 :-) |
| 17:18.49 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: 10573? No problem :) Was painful |
| 17:18.57 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: how's charging coming along? |
| 17:19.14 | trumee | nextime: should i disable sip account? |
| 17:19.24 | nextime | trumee : ok, the default voip client in maemo doesn't let you call by voip without an account |
| 17:19.40 | jacekowski | nextime: why you want voip? |
| 17:19.42 | nextime | at leas as i can see looking at the config |
| 17:19.58 | nextime | jacekowski : my voip is working, it is trumee that has issues |
| 17:20.16 | SpeedEvil | dneary: People can now see what I've been editing! Oh noes! :) |
| 17:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: not on top of my todo list. To verify any concept I'd need the devel device which I'm waiting to arrive every day now |
| 17:20.18 | nextime | jacekowski : i use it so i can redirect my office number to my mobile :D |
| 17:20.24 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 17:20.44 | trumee | nextime: what codec do you use? |
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| 17:20.57 | jacekowski | nextime: just setup a call forwarding |
| 17:21.00 | nextime | trumee : g729... |
| 17:21.15 | nextime | jacekowski : why i have to pay for a call forward when i can do it gratis? |
| 17:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: anyway SpeedEvil, ShadowJK and me have successfully charged, using a one-liner |
| 17:21.24 | trumee | nextime: and it works fine for long duration over wifi? |
| 17:21.33 | nextime | trumee : never tryed over wifi |
| 17:21.40 | trumee | nextime: ah! |
| 17:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: a crude concept, but for anything more sophisticated ... see above about device to test |
| 17:22.03 | trumee | nextime: i have found it working ok over 3g but not on wifi |
| 17:22.14 | nextime | trumee : so, i will try |
| 17:22.22 | ptl | MOUD: you guess it is, because it's cheap. But it also uses too much CPU, I'd rather use something like mobilehotspot even though it requires a custom kernel (you can use the opportunity to go overclock, though) |
| 17:23.04 | MOUD | i see |
| 17:23.11 | ptl | MOUD: the rationale being, if you use your mobile as a hotspot, you want it for the longest time possible, and mobilehotspot allows you that because it uses much less CPU than joikuspot |
| 17:23.15 | nextime | my wife is calling me for dinner, seeya guys. |
| 17:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | s/shadowjk/stskeeps/ |
| 17:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 17:23.49 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:24.04 | MOUD | ptl: I see, but does it work right? |
| 17:24.15 | ptl | MOUD: both do. |
| 17:24.31 | MOUD | nice |
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| 17:24.44 | MOUD | what about using n900 as a repeater? |
| 17:24.55 | ptl | ? |
| 17:25.30 | MOUD | n900 as a Wifi Repeater. (To increase a wireless signal) |
| 17:26.13 | ptl | No idea about that, but I don't think it will fit this purpose. mobile phone wifi power is small. |
| 17:26.39 | SpeedEvil | ptl: it's not actually |
| 17:26.51 | ptl | I stand corrected, then. :) |
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| 17:27.04 | SpeedEvil | But I'm not sure that the firmware supports acting as a client and a master at the same time |
| 17:27.12 | SpeedEvil | in principle, that might work with ad-hoc. |
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| 17:34.25 | flailingmonkey | its tricky business |
| 17:35.13 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, it's more about hardware |
| 17:35.32 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: as you can't do 2 channels at the same time |
| 17:35.44 | flailingmonkey | major usb-hostmode use case for myself: usb-ethernet stick to share wifi/3g with wired devices |
| 17:36.03 | SpeedEvil | That too, yes. |
| 17:36.23 | jacekowski | and to make it just repeat all you need is access to raw mode |
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| 17:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep |
| 17:36.47 | jacekowski | recieve everything with interesting SSID and resend |
| 17:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
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| 17:37.11 | jacekowski | n900 wifi can do raw mode? |
| 17:37.12 | ptl | what temperature do your n900s show? Mine is usually within 30 to 40 â°C |
| 17:37.23 | jacekowski | ptl: 32 |
| 17:37.25 | jacekowski | 43* |
| 17:37.27 | jacekowski | 42( |
| 17:37.28 | jacekowski | omg |
| 17:37.30 | jacekowski | fail |
| 17:37.31 | LuciusMare | :D |
| 17:37.41 | ptl | currently 33 |
| 17:37.49 | flailingmonkey | it needs to send on different channel perhaps? how would client handle seeing the same packets twice |
| 17:37.49 | LuciusMare | Where do i check? -_- |
| 17:38.40 | th3hate | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.02 | ptl | LuciusMare: you need custom kernel (kernel-power), then you need to load the bq27x00_battery kernel module, then you do cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp |
| 17:39.09 | Surfa | th3hate, why do you think so |
| 17:39.31 | th3hate | rumors say so |
| 17:39.35 | th3hate | Just wanna make sure |
| 17:39.43 | LuciusMare | ptl: okay, thanks :) |
| 17:40.13 | th3hate | or is it PowerVR SGX530? |
| 17:40.35 | ptl | LuciusMare: kernel-power it titan's kernel, a ready-for-overclocking kernel with loads of stuff, like ipv6 support, NAT/masquerading support (for mobilehotspot) and other goodies, it's worth the money you pay for it |
| 17:40.53 | flailingmonkey | th3hate, I see no reason to expect such a bizarre change |
| 17:41.01 | vldcnst | what money? |
| 17:41.06 | ptl | $0 |
| 17:41.11 | ptl | it's worth it. |
| 17:41.37 | th3hate | Then i guess it's not broadcom like rumors say? |
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| 17:42.51 | microlith | it's something weird, an ARM11 chip with OpenGL ES 2.0 support |
| 17:43.11 | microlith | I wonder if it's something custom from TI |
| 17:43.48 | th3hate | The UI is gpu accelerated with Broadcom BCM2727 GPU |
| 17:43.49 | th3hate | i guess |
| 17:44.12 | flailingmonkey | nvm, I keep forgetting its ARM11 platform |
| 17:44.51 | dneary | SpeedEvil, Fixed user links in Recentchanges too |
| 17:44.55 | th3hate | ARM11 is based on ARMv6? |
| 17:44.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:45.02 | microlith | broadcom's site is terrible :/ |
| 17:46.42 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, man up. :P |
| 17:47.09 | GAN900 | Oops, stuck in scrollback. |
| 17:47.33 | GAN900 | th3hate, ARM11 is the CPU type, armv6 is the instruction set. |
| 17:48.09 | th3hate | I mean n8's CPU is the based on the same cpu used in n810 |
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| 17:48.10 | th3hate | right? |
| 17:48.27 | th3hate | both are ARM-11 |
| 17:48.29 | GAN900 | th3hate, not exactly. |
| 17:48.35 | GAN900 | ARM11 |
| 17:48.51 | Surfa | th3hate, quite again.. where did you get the idea? :) |
| 17:49.16 | th3hate | It says the CPU is ARM11 in nokia's site |
| 17:49.34 | th3hate | And it says the same about n810's cpu both are arm11 |
| 17:50.11 | th3hate | But GPU being broadcom is just a rumor |
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| 17:50.48 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 17:51.47 | microlith | well, the "gpu" being broadcom is unlikely unless the whole SoC is broadcom |
| 17:52.13 | microlith | we'll know soon enough, in any case |
| 17:52.27 | th3hate | That's what i thought too, i think it's PowerVR SGX530 |
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| 17:55.46 | flailingmonkey | much more liekly |
| 17:55.56 | flailingmonkey | a/liekly/likely/ |
| 17:56.00 | flailingmonkey | ugh |
| 17:57.27 | flailingmonkey | IRC/forums must be pretty amusing for people who know internal details. or depressing |
| 18:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | depressing |
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| 18:07.08 | ENTERANICK | [W2I=000:u:0:000:] |
| 18:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 18:07.33 | satmd | ? |
| 18:07.52 | jacekowski | stupid web2irc script |
| 18:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | I bet, otherwise where's THAT lame nick from |
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| 18:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: no news yet. 'overnight' was a guess of you, right? |
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| 18:15.38 | tripzero | does anyone else have this weird hypnotic response to spinning the desktops on their phone? |
| 18:15.51 | tripzero | fun for my 3yr old and for me |
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| 18:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I won't say it... |
| 18:19.02 | Stskeeps | flailingmonkey: my vote is on depressing if you have a open source mindset |
| 18:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: has charging gained some points on meego importance rating? |
| 18:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: just asking why you're asking :-) |
| 18:21.48 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: curiousity and i wish we had a open bme (personally) |
| 18:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so I might re-arrange my ToDo |
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| 18:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I wait for response from hah and err, what's his name? |
| 18:23.57 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah. |
| 18:24.31 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: marquiz i guess |
| 18:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 18:25.53 | Stskeeps | on a random sidenote, if a meego team is meeting in person and there's only nokians/subcontractors in it, - what's best way to maintain 'openness'? publish minutes afterwards and postpone actual decisions until next online meeting? |
| 18:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you noticed (yet quite empty) jrbme.garage ? |
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| 18:26.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, i noticed it |
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| 18:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: good question |
| 18:26.34 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | okay, bought that n900 |
| 18:26.44 | Stskeeps | because even in open teams there might be BoF's in person, on a random conference |
| 18:26.53 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | thought the touchscreen would be better |
| 18:27.00 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | did they ever get multitouch to work on it? |
| 18:27.24 | mikki-kun | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: hardware-side not possible |
| 18:27.44 | mikki-kun | but with some nasty software-hacks it emulates that... |
| 18:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: probably yes. depends on nature of the decisions. If you easily can revert, then no need to postpone, just mention them in minutes and encourage public debate |
| 18:29.18 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | mikki-kun, which softare hacks are these? |
| 18:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: after all it's always one person who says 'so now that's it, let's see if it pans out" - so you can decide based on prior discussion, or you decide based on own notion and discuss later |
| 18:30.13 | mikki-kun | to my knowledge none have been really distributed widely as these hacks are really basic and implementation can and surely is very difficult |
| 18:30.30 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: :nod: |
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| 18:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: you can not implement true mt on this type of touchscreen, without at least minor hw mods |
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| 18:32.59 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: minor hw hacks?! replacing the touchscreen and the controller is for me a major hack... |
| 18:33.08 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, we should fly you to all of them. :P |
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| 18:33.48 | Stskeeps | meh, i hate travelling too much |
| 18:34.01 | Stskeeps | visiting two countries this month |
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| 18:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: that's not how r-ts mt works, though |
| 18:35.03 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | will the n900 work with maemo 6? |
| 18:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: basically it'd need really minor modifications to the driver hw for a 4wire r-ts |
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| 18:35.25 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | this n900 seems to have maemo 5: 10.2010.19-1.002 |
| 18:35.32 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | is this optimal? |
| 18:35.40 | mikki-kun | isn't that pr1.2? |
| 18:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:35.46 | mikki-kun | if so, then you are up to date.. |
| 18:35.54 | dregin | Hey |
| 18:36.08 | dregin | Does anyone know of a workaround to get the email widget working with nokia messaging? |
| 18:37.29 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: hm, i didn't know that you can hack a rt-st-ts to a multi-touch... |
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| 18:38.14 | mikki-kun | maybe i should take a look there... |
| 18:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: well, dual touch |
| 18:38.24 | mikki-kun | isn't that enough? |
| 18:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | for me even single is enough |
| 18:38.59 | mikki-kun | if we could have triple-touch then we'd beat the iphone4 :D ^^ |
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| 18:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | not sure about that. iPhone c-ts probably supports virtual "unlimited" number of conurrent touchpoints |
| 18:40.09 | GAN900 | 9 or 10 |
| 18:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:40.18 | mikki-kun | Ã.ö |
| 18:40.21 | GAN900 | 1st gen may be less |
| 18:40.31 | mikki-kun | try putting 10 of you fingers on the 3.5" screen |
| 18:40.34 | GAN900 | s/less/fewer |
| 18:40.37 | satmd | or even 11! |
| 18:40.46 | mikki-kun | it's pretty full after that |
| 18:40.47 | satmd | %) |
| 18:40.49 | GAN900 | I can't eve put two without awkwardness. |
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| 18:41.07 | lbt | o/ |
| 18:41.13 | mikki-kun | sometimes dual-touch would be cool, but single-touch is easier in usage :) |
| 18:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | lo |
| 18:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | err \o |
| 18:41.42 | crashanddie | GAN900: play tap tap |
| 18:42.04 | crashanddie | GAN900: you'll learn to use three fingers without any problem |
| 18:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | §and next week we show you how to unknot your fingers..." |
| 18:42.24 | mikki-kun | XD |
| 18:42.26 | crashanddie | and that sentence taken out of context can be so damning |
| 18:42.40 | GAN900 | two-touch |
| 18:42.53 | mikki-kun | apple could bring "twister for fingers" out... |
| 18:42.58 | sx0n|home | it's too easy to leave evidences on touch screen. |
| 18:43.03 | crashanddie | not apple, apple doesn't write apps |
| 18:43.06 | crashanddie | or very little |
| 18:43.07 | mikki-kun | that would top 1 app in all stores |
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| 18:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | anyway twister for fingers was exactly what I had in mind |
| 18:43.47 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: you ever played heavy rain? |
| 18:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:44.18 | mikki-kun | at one point you have to use 8 of your fingers to hold down specific buttons... |
| 18:44.23 | mikki-kun | that is really twister |
| 18:44.26 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | couldn't the screen on the n900 be replaced or something? |
| 18:44.31 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | there seem to be screws on the back |
| 18:44.42 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | put on a capacitive one |
| 18:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: forget it |
| 18:45.37 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I mean, it doesn't seem that hard to do - just saying |
| 18:46.06 | mikki-kun | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: have fun writing the drivers ;) |
| 18:46.17 | sx0n|home | i dont think that resistive and capacitive screens are electronically compatible |
| 18:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | have fun finding a mechanically matching part, first instance |
| 18:46.32 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well the whole screen part would have to be replaced, I guess |
| 18:46.46 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | of course, nokia would probably have to manufacture it |
| 18:46.49 | greenfly | seems like a lot of work just to pinch to zoom |
| 18:47.05 | sx0n|home | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: not bad idea. |
| 18:47.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well, I've never had a phone with it, but I heard there is a lot more one cna do with it |
| 18:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | insane idea |
| 18:47.18 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | good ideas are insane |
| 18:47.24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | minus the atomic bomb |
| 18:47.33 | sx0n|home | modularity is good m'kay? |
| 18:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | n900 isn't 'modular' |
| 18:48.02 | greenfly | presumably n900+1 will have a capacitive screen |
| 18:48.06 | sx0n|home | that why phones have (normally) changeable batteries |
| 18:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | trust me, I know what I'm talking about |
| 18:48.17 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | good |
| 18:48.22 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | share your knowledge |
| 18:48.23 | sx0n|home | well i dont :) |
| 18:48.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | lol |
| 18:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | greenfly: ack |
| 18:48.48 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | anyone have problems connecting to certain APs with the n900? |
| 18:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | greenfly: and no hw kbd |
| 18:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | screwit |
| 18:49.15 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | you guys talking about the n920? |
| 18:49.18 | greenfly | DocScrutinizer: at least from what I've read APIs are being written to support it |
| 18:49.19 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | thought that was fake |
| 18:49.40 | greenfly | DocScrutinizer: hadn't heard about the hw kbd |
| 18:49.52 | greenfly | that's a pretty important feature for me |
| 18:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | grep your config files for RX-71 |
| 18:50.02 | greenfly | interactive shell sessions are painful w/ pure touchscreen |
| 18:50.41 | GAN900 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, versatility wise resistive is better |
| 18:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe s/config/git tree/ |
| 18:51.05 | sx0n|home | n900 kbd is not very comfortable either, too small for my taste |
| 18:51.22 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | GAN900, why so one can use that stick thingy? |
| 18:51.23 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | heh |
| 18:51.26 | sx0n|home | four rows would be great |
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| 18:51.44 | greenfly | eh, I just tend to get used to whatever thumb keyboard |
| 18:51.51 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well, let's try to be optimistic about it since I literally just bought one |
| 18:51.57 | greenfly | none of them are ideal (since the ideal would be a full-sized keyboard) |
| 18:52.00 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | *everyone make ljsdofuynsdfufuh feel good about his purchase* |
| 18:52.21 | sx0n|home | greenfly: and no qwerty. it was only invented to slow down typing |
| 18:52.26 | greenfly | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: the n900 is great as long as you aren't trying to turn it into some other phone |
| 18:52.28 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | Actually, I wonder if anyone has hooked up full sized keyboards using bluetooth |
| 18:52.36 | greenfly | sx0n|home: oh here we go with that old yarn... |
| 18:53.00 | greenfly | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: some have, it's hit or miss, depends on the keyboard type and you have to do a bit of work to get it to work |
| 18:53.07 | sx0n|home | greenfly: well yes :) |
| 18:53.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it was invented to slow down typing in one way, but actually it ends up not doing so much anymore |
| 18:53.19 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | (researched that one for a while) |
| 18:53.41 | greenfly | the end result of all of it is that people who are properly trained to type are faster than people who aren't |
| 18:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: it's the best device I ever had, and I don't want it to be elementarily different |
| 18:54.10 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | currently having problem connecting to wifi |
| 18:54.16 | sx0n|home | n900 is really a good device. |
| 18:54.17 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | thinks wep pass is wrong or something |
| 18:54.57 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | first thing I did was install nmap |
| 18:54.58 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | heh |
| 18:55.03 | sx0n|home | even farmville works with oc kernel and pr1.2. it does not work well even on most desktops |
| 18:55.12 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | oh what a plus |
| 18:55.14 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | hahah |
| 18:55.16 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | sorry |
| 18:55.41 | sx0n|home | yeah, zynga ceo was second speaker in ios4 presentation. |
| 18:56.30 | sx0n|home | and millions of users. incl me ;) |
| 18:57.11 | sx0n|home | i just do little "research" about online games. |
| 18:57.17 | konfoo | people actually play farmville? |
| 18:57.32 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | yes depending upon your definition of 'people' |
| 18:57.34 | sx0n|home | i would not call it playing.. |
| 18:57.52 | konfoo | right, sorry, the great unwashed |
| 18:58.21 | sx0n|home | im on level 62 btw :) |
| 18:59.06 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how do you show a wep key you entered in previously? |
| 18:59.21 | sx0n|home | you cant i suppose |
| 18:59.24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ouch |
| 18:59.30 | sx0n|home | security issue |
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| 18:59.51 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 18:59.55 | sx0n|home | but it was just guess |
| 19:00.26 | xDaReaperx | for installing Wine should i donwload the .deb package ? |
| 19:00.42 | xDaReaperx | cause there are other packages available |
| 19:00.54 | xDaReaperx | this is the binary list : http://www.lamaresh.net/binary.php |
| 19:00.59 | xDaReaperx | i don't know which one to choose |
| 19:01.02 | sx0n|home | wine? for what? |
| 19:01.05 | xDaReaperx | N900 |
| 19:01.08 | sx0n|home | wow |
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| 19:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 19:01.27 | xDaReaperx | dont tell me its not yet out |
| 19:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware we got no x86 cpu, are you? |
| 19:02.17 | xDaReaperx | well how did some ppl run Wine on their N900 |
| 19:02.22 | sx0n|home | xDaReaperx: are you trying to use spotify? |
| 19:02.29 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 19:02.35 | sx0n|home | there is different client |
| 19:02.45 | xDaReaperx | hmm couldnt find one |
| 19:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | someone even made OSX run on N900, using bochs |
| 19:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | time to first boot message: ~3h |
| 19:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | windows also "works" using this way |
| 19:04.29 | sx0n|home | xDaReaperx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33390 |
| 19:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | so why shouldn't wine work as well? |
| 19:04.43 | sx0n|home | there might be better threads, but that came up first |
| 19:04.58 | xDaReaperx | hmm ok ty |
| 19:05.04 | xDaReaperx | ya i thought wine should be working alone |
| 19:05.35 | sx0n|home | nope |
| 19:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | bochs hosting x86-linux, running wine, running a windows app |
| 19:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | sounds sane ;-D |
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| 19:07.34 | xDaReaperx | dont we have DoxBox as another PC emulator ? |
| 19:07.38 | xDaReaperx | DosBox * |
| 19:07.45 | style | Is there way to make n900 give internet connection to laptop via bluetooth? |
| 19:07.55 | FauxFaux | O_O at all the data disappearing when you go into mass storage mode. |
| 19:07.59 | xDaReaperx | Bluetooth DUN |
| 19:08.01 | style | (with obex (or something like that)) |
| 19:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | yes, you can s/bochs/dosbox|qemu/ |
| 19:08.22 | xDaReaperx | hmm ok |
| 19:09.08 | style | xDaReaperx: ty |
| 19:09.16 | xDaReaperx | ur welcome |
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| 19:10.38 | flailingmonkey | it is just unusably slow |
| 19:11.24 | flailingmonkey | wep keys are stored in a file somewhere, not encrypted. off the top of my head I don't know where |
| 19:11.55 | FauxFaux | gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |
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| 19:14.04 | flailingmonkey | FauxFaux, thanks, works for me. |
| 19:14.41 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | any of you have problems with wep on n900 |
| 19:14.50 | flailingmonkey | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, use the command FauxFaux gave in the Terminal |
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| 19:15.33 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | cool |
| 19:15.35 | flailingmonkey | none of the APs I use have WEP, its worse than nothing :-\ |
| 19:15.41 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | worse? |
| 19:15.50 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | anyway, I'm trying to connect to a WEP AP |
| 19:16.09 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I have the key and everything, was just curious if maemo was storing it everytime i entered it |
| 19:16.25 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it wont connect though - and ive read some forum posts where people have had problems with wep and the n900 |
| 19:16.32 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | no fixes I've seen so far |
| 19:16.43 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | not sure why it isn't working |
| 19:16.52 | flailingmonkey | WEP with pre-shared key is a broken scheme, gives a false sense of security, and small performance penalty |
| 19:17.07 | Fredrik1994 | Can i be connected for myself and my computer through my phone at the same time |
| 19:17.08 | Fredrik1994 | ? |
| 19:17.25 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | yeah, but a lot of people have it |
| 19:17.32 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | and I would like to be able to connect to any AP with my n900 |
| 19:17.38 | vldcnst | Fredrik1994: can you rephrase that? |
| 19:17.51 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | talk on phone and use internet simultaneously? |
| 19:18.04 | flailingmonkey | you can share a GPRS data connection to a computer over bluetooth, and also use the internet on your phone |
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| 19:18.46 | Fredrik1994 | Same connection? (and, you said GPRS but guess it would work on 3G/3.5G as well)? |
| 19:20.06 | Fredrik1994 | and btw, when it comes to WEP keys, it's better than nothing i guess? |
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| 19:20.26 | Fredrik1994 | things like consoles, NDS, doesn't support WPA |
| 19:20.37 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I no wep is crap, I just want to be able to connect to wep enabled APs |
| 19:22.04 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | know** (wow?!) |
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| 19:28.03 | Tuukka | Just had a wow moment with my N900. Downloaded easy debian with max speeds of a bit over 1 Mb/s over 3G :DD |
| 19:28.50 | xDaReaperx | cool ^ |
| 19:29.01 | xDaReaperx | anyone has 3.5 G ? |
| 19:29.19 | _llll_ | in the uk, when signal allows |
| 19:29.28 | _llll_ | never had that much bandwidth though |
| 19:29.58 | Tuukka | actually it was 3.5G |
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| 19:34.35 | tripzero | Stskeeps, open bme? |
| 19:35.05 | MohammadAG51 | holds his breath |
| 19:35.08 | MohammadAG51 | not |
| 19:35.13 | Stskeeps | someone's playing with that, i guess |
| 19:35.16 | tripzero | what's a bme? |
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| 19:38.43 | ioan | I want to figure out what ports skype uses and I need help. How do I run netstat to show the application? |
| 19:42.53 | flailingmonkey | netstat has a -p flag, but the version shipped on the N900 is missing it |
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| 19:45.19 | ioan | I googled it, "lsof -i" seems like workd |
| 19:46.49 | flailingmonkey | nice, I'll remember that oe :-) |
| 19:46.58 | flailingmonkey | s/oe/one/ |
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| 19:53.24 | trumee | anybody knows what is the default ptime in N900 for G729? |
| 19:53.33 | trumee | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Introduction_of_S60_VOIP_Codecs |
| 19:53.51 | trumee | S60 uses ptime of 20ms. Any idea what N900 uses? |
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| 20:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: use wireshark to trace the SIP datasteam, and you'll able to tell a lot of that |
| 20:00.28 | flailingmonkey | sounds like a question for a Nokian, as the SIP code is closed-source (would be nice if it was open) |
| 20:01.01 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i need wireshark on N900? or can i simply log * |
| 20:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | thought it's bee some lib though |
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| 20:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: wireshark is nice, but you also cam use tcpdump and analize later by loading the file to ws |
| 20:02.30 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 20:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 20:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 20:02.52 | MohammadAG51 | wireshark reveals the IP of the person you're talking to on skype |
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| 20:07.38 | zaheerm-lp | the sip code is sofia-sip which should be free software |
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| 20:11.18 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: are you sure of that? |
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| 20:11.26 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: I thought skype worked through p2p |
| 20:11.58 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, pretty sure |
| 20:12.04 | MohammadAG51 | idk how/why |
| 20:12.12 | tripzero | crashanddie, no, it uses some p2p tech to get around firewalls... but that's not really p2p |
| 20:12.15 | MohammadAG51 | but I got 5 of my friends' IPs |
| 20:14.58 | alterego | skype initiates a direct connection between clients, but it initiates the connection via a central service. |
| 20:15.11 | alterego | It's actually really clever how it tricks routers to do it. |
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| 20:16.33 | timeless_mbp | frals: ping |
| 20:16.41 | timeless_mbp | frals: please fix your file picker to have a parent |
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| 20:17.31 | alterego | MohammadAG51: have you managed to get the IM status updater to work yet? :P |
| 20:17.44 | alterego | I wanna promote it gad damnit! :P |
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| 20:18.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: skype is p2p with some central support relays used whenever needed |
| 20:18.46 | crashanddie | alterego: it is clever, but it doesn't work all the time |
| 20:19.16 | alterego | crashanddie: under what conditions? It's been working flawlessly for me .. |
| 20:19.54 | crashanddie | alterego: very complicated corporate network with vpn'ing and international routing, trying to dial out to people behind NAT'd home networks |
| 20:20.33 | flailingmonkey | does Andre Klapper lurk IRC? |
| 20:20.37 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 20:20.39 | timeless_mbp | he's andre__ |
| 20:20.44 | flailingmonkey | ahh |
| 20:20.59 | flailingmonkey | ~seen andre__ |
| 20:21.25 | infobot | andre__ is currently on #maemo (12h 11m 36s) #meego (12h 11m 36s), last said: 'FauxFaux, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space ?'. |
| 20:21.25 | alterego | crashanddie: oh, you're talking about skype and not my app :P |
| 20:21.25 | crashanddie | alterego: :) |
| 20:21.25 | alterego | I thought you were having issues with my app :P |
| 20:21.50 | FauxFaux | PING |
| 20:21.53 | trumee | How can i use tcpdump to capture sip packets only? |
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| 20:22.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: skype? it fails when both ends are symmetric NAT and no media relay server available |
| 20:22.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: same as SIP :-P |
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| 20:23.24 | crashanddie | trumee: use filters |
| 20:23.35 | trumee | crashanddie: tcpdump -n -w sip.pcap -s 1500 -i wlan0 ? |
| 20:23.46 | trumee | crashanddie: is that sufficient? |
| 20:23.52 | andre__ | flailingmonkey, eh? |
| 20:24.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | looks good |
| 20:24.23 | flailingmonkey | andre__, for feature bug jars, the wiki doesn't have links to the bugzilla? |
| 20:24.52 | flailingmonkey | ah, they are pipermail links |
| 20:25.02 | andre__ | flailingmonkey, pipermail |
| 20:25.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: filter later, using wireshark :-) |
| 20:25.05 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: do i need to enable sip debug as well? |
| 20:25.31 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: TPSIP_DEBUG=all and TPORT_LOG=1 ? |
| 20:25.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | never heard of, no idea |
| 20:25.57 | flailingmonkey | my bad. but without bug # either, harder to check them out |
| 20:26.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i need to restart telepathy with the above logs, or is tcpdump sufficient? |
| 20:26.06 | andre__ | flailingmonkey, yeah :-/ |
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| 20:26.18 | andre__ | not cool, true |
| 20:26.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | tcpdump works autonomously |
| 20:26.36 | flailingmonkey | andre__, is the original mail html? |
| 20:27.01 | flailingmonkey | (html mail on mailing lists is usually a no no i guess) |
| 20:27.36 | zash | flailingmonkey: sending html email to mailing lists is punishable by death! ;) |
| 20:29.34 | andre__ | flailingmonkey, yes |
| 20:29.46 | andre__ | well, I normally don't send HTML. but in this special case it makes sense |
| 20:30.13 | andre__ | having the URL clutter in there is not cool for some managers |
| 20:31.07 | flailingmonkey | I hope someone magics you that HTML-to-t.m.o forum syntax converter you need |
| 20:31.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: apt-get install wireshark |
| 20:31.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | much more fun :-D |
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| 20:33.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | html mail on ML is often either discarded or converted to plain text |
| 20:33.28 | lcuk | mail clients send out flattext + original html dont they? |
| 20:33.31 | lcuk | at least polite ones |
| 20:33.40 | flailingmonkey | killer app for N900: interactive "computer interface" animations from movies/tv shows |
| 20:34.03 | lcuk | flailingmonkey, eh? why not just have real apps using nicer interfaces |
| 20:35.25 | flailingmonkey | because movie/tv interfaces aren't actually usable, but "pretty" which seems to be the killer app consumers want :-P |
| 20:35.28 | SpeedEvil | Most shows rarely had a consistent widget-set. |
| 20:35.29 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: hmm, tcpdump kicks the network out. |
| 20:35.43 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: it kills the sip connection |
| 20:35.52 | SpeedEvil | trumee: i noticed that the version of tcpdump I had installed was broken, and would do that |
| 20:36.03 | SpeedEvil | removing and apt-get tcpdumping again made it work |
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| 20:36.29 | trumee | SpeedEvil: apt-get remove tcpdump, apt-get install tcdump? |
| 20:36.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: apt-get install wireshark |
| 20:36.40 | SpeedEvil | y |
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| 20:37.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | much more fun :-D |
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| 20:37.18 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: cant install wireshark, it is my missus N900. Wireshark will frighten her out :) |
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| 20:37.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | tcpdump no better |
| 20:38.09 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: tcpdump only needs ctrl+c :) |
| 20:38.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm wireshark as well |
| 20:39.52 | flailingmonkey | actually, it might be fun to make some app that did nothing, but simulated familiar interfaces, if it also had sound clips |
| 20:40.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | but ok, I never checked ws on hildon. maybe it's even crap |
| 20:41.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: do i need devel for wireshark? |
| 20:41.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | for sure |
| 20:41.39 | flailingmonkey | ws got my laptop hacked :-( Taught me to capture and not view live, (AND not to use ws on a windows laptop at HOPE) |
| 20:42.08 | trumee | tcpdump kicks my sip connection. guess i need to install wireshark |
| 20:42.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah they both use libpcap |
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| 20:43.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | just ws is much more bloated and cpu hog |
| 20:46.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | but zI don't see how tcpdump ever could kick your SIP |
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| 20:47.37 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i had to disable wifi and then re-enable, otherwise sip wouldnt connect |
| 20:48.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | that should be unrelated to tcpdump |
| 20:49.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | except if tcpdump ate all your cpu |
| 20:49.46 | alterego | Hmmm, what to write next .. |
| 20:49.57 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: crap wireshark also kicks the sip connection |
| 20:50.47 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: time to un-install wireshark. Both tcpdump and wireshark failed me |
| 20:51.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course ssh into n900 over wlan and then have tcpdump log wlan traffic to that remote shell would be a nice kind of self feeding growth in traffic |
| 20:52.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka deadlock |
| 20:52.24 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: nope, i dont have ssh server installed on N900 |
| 20:52.38 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i only have ssh client installed |
| 20:52.54 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i had an xterm open in N900 |
| 20:53.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | remote file for storing the dump would serve same purpose ;-D |
| 20:54.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i am going to reboot N900 and try tcpdump again in a shell |
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| 20:54.46 | DrGrov | It is lucky that my nerves are being cooled by one of the greatest beers out there since my patience with the N900 is finishing slowly but certainly.... |
| 20:55.10 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: libpcap was installed from dev-tools rather than extras-devel |
| 20:55.24 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: could that be the reason? |
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| 20:56.14 | joker_89 | any pys60 programmer? |
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| 20:56.39 | MohammadAG51 | Try #pys60? |
| 20:59.09 | joker_89 | are sleeping |
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| 21:07.23 | alterego | joker_89: still pretty unlikely you're going to find any here O_O |
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| 21:07.37 | alterego | Though, I have actually used it myself ... :D |
| 21:08.49 | MohammadAG51 | same, but i only made a restard app :P |
| 21:08.57 | MohammadAG51 | t* |
| 21:09.03 | joker_89 | but nobodoy use it? |
| 21:09.28 | MohammadAG51 | nope, i switched to pygtk and pyQt |
| 21:09.37 | MohammadAG51 | the latter was a big mistake |
| 21:09.39 | crashanddie | joker_89: this channel is about maemo, nothing to do with s60 |
| 21:09.47 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: not a fan of pyqt? |
| 21:10.21 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, the whole Qt thing annoys me |
| 21:10.44 | MohammadAG51 | why do you think i'm sooo negative about MeeGo |
| 21:11.51 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, tbh, I'd like that my apps actually output errors, instead of segfaulting (yes, pyQt apps segfault) |
| 21:12.03 | crashanddie | haha |
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| 21:12.58 | mece | yeah why don't we get errors on pyqt apps? |
| 21:13.17 | MohammadAG51 | cause Qt is C (or C++ not sure) |
| 21:13.45 | mece | I really like to work with pyqt, but the lack of information when things go pear-shaped is truly annoying |
| 21:13.56 | mece | c++ |
| 21:13.56 | mece | what's gtk then? |
| 21:14.38 | MohammadAG51 | <mece> I really like to work with pyqt, but the lack of information when things go pear-shaped is truly annoying |
| 21:14.38 | MohammadAG51 | exactly |
| 21:14.50 | mece | :) |
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| 21:19.29 | mece | if I have a symlink, s and that points to a file, f. What happens if f is overwritten with another f? The symlink stays put, right? |
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| 21:22.07 | Wolfie | afaik, the symlink stays even if the file is removed |
| 21:22.12 | Wolfie | hence, symbolic link |
| 21:22.16 | Wolfie | a hard link is another matter |
| 21:22.27 | mece | ...yes :) |
| 21:23.06 | Wolfie | anyways, night |
| 21:23.56 | Jaffa | GTK HELP! If I have a GtkContainer with set_size_request_policy(...CHILDREN) and a GtkHBox underneath it; how can I stop the button at the right hand side of the HBox (and the HBox itself) growing if the first container (a treeview) isn't showing anything? |
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| 21:24.15 | alterego | Can't believe how cheap N900's are going for now .. |
| 21:24.22 | alterego | If I just waited a couple of months :/ |
| 21:24.28 | tripzero | how much? |
| 21:24.40 | tripzero | the one i wanted sold for 405 on ebay |
| 21:24.46 | tripzero | used though |
| 21:24.56 | alterego | Yeah, about the same. |
| 21:25.03 | alterego | Is that USD? |
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| 21:25.10 | tripzero | Jaffa, why gtk? qt is the new coolaid |
| 21:25.16 | lbt | Jaffa: simple... http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6 |
| 21:25.19 | tripzero | alterego, yeah, usd |
| 21:25.25 | Jaffa | tripzero: Because the app already exists. |
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| 21:25.47 | tripzero | you could probably rewrite it faster in qt than to make it work using gtk |
| 21:25.49 | tripzero | :P |
| 21:25.58 | lbt | Jaffa: porting is a great way to learn Qt |
| 21:26.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? 40 qud? |
| 21:26.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | quid |
| 21:26.16 | lbt | and it's surprisingly therapeutic |
| 21:26.17 | mece | jaffa, wait.. it's in the packing |
| 21:26.23 | alterego | lbt: there's porting and then there's rewriting :P |
| 21:26.33 | Jaffa | lbt: Now's not the time for this port ;-) |
| 21:26.39 | lbt | ah, good point... I used gtkmm |
| 21:26.49 | lbt | sobs at the memory |
| 21:26.55 | tripzero | haha |
| 21:26.56 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:27.07 | tripzero | lbt: i bet you are still trying to clean it out of you? |
| 21:27.11 | lbt | goes back to his happy place |
| 21:27.21 | mece | jaffa, start_pack(item, expand, fill, spacing) |
| 21:28.20 | mece | jaffa you want the treeview to have both expand and fill set to 1 and the button to have both set to 0. |
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| 21:29.08 | Jaffa | mece: Thanks - I was on the right lines, there's a level missing I think. Hang on. |
| 21:31.10 | mece | jaffa you might need to put another box inside the hbox or something. I always end up with a bunch of hboxes and vboxes inside eachother. |
| 21:32.13 | Jaffa | mece: Yeah, putting the HBox packed and not expanding into a new VBox seems to have done it. Although my button seems to be being constrained and truncated by some padding |
| 21:32.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | burrps |
| 21:39.33 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, what's the dbus-send command that's needed to get the song's name? |
| 21:40.01 | alterego | MohammadAG51: good question. Hang on :P |
| 21:40.19 | MohammadAG51 | thanks :) |
| 21:41.20 | alterego | MohammadAG51: it looks complicated |
| 21:41.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | user:jebba/DBUS |
| 21:41.42 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, nothing there |
| 21:41.45 | alterego | Basically, you find out the uri for the file, then you query the tracker plugin |
| 21:42.03 | MohammadAG51 | that's what your plugin does? |
| 21:42.16 | alterego | No, I just listen for changes. |
| 21:42.27 | MohammadAG51 | oh |
| 21:42.30 | alterego | Everytime the track changes, the metadata is sent out via a dbus signal |
| 21:42.38 | MohammadAG51 | yeah saw that |
| 21:42.42 | MohammadAG51 | in dbus-monitor |
| 21:42.54 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | cehteh, were you the one saying you build your own cases? |
| 21:43.21 | alterego | MohammadAG51: I think, call this: method call sender=:1.29 -> dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugi |
| 21:43.24 | alterego | n.gstrenderer serial=2329 path=/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer; interface=c |
| 21:43.27 | alterego | om.nokia.mafw.renderer; member=get_status |
| 21:43.29 | alterego | Oh, god that was fail :) |
| 21:43.33 | MohammadAG51 | indeed |
| 21:43.35 | MohammadAG51 | :P |
| 21:43.42 | alterego | That tells you the uri, |
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| 21:45.03 | MohammadAG51 | thanks alterego |
| 21:45.06 | alterego | MohammadAG51: http://pastie.org/1000094 |
| 21:45.18 | alterego | rough, but that looks like the basic idea. |
| 21:45.19 | crashanddie | starts dancing while listening to Battles - Atlas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv38m36-nsU) |
| 21:45.40 | alterego | MohammadAG51: what are you doing may I ask? :) |
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| 21:46.22 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, just experimenting with some sh*t, not a project or something I'll think about releasing :P |
| 21:46.58 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, promoted to -testing yet? |
| 21:47.04 | alterego | MohammadAG51: yeah |
| 21:47.32 | alterego | MohammadAG51: do you think it's ready? :) |
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| 21:47.41 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 21:47.54 | alterego | Well, vote! :D |
| 21:48.07 | MohammadAG51 | that's what i'm doing lol |
| 21:48.11 | alterego | How many QA testers does it need to go to extras? |
| 21:48.18 | SpeedEvil | 1000 |
| 21:48.23 | alterego | woof |
| 21:48.41 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 21:48.43 | MohammadAG51 | 10 |
| 21:48.48 | alterego | Cool, |
| 21:48.59 | alterego | probably take a while then, doesn't look like there's much interest :) |
| 21:49.01 | pupnik | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/long-live-your-mobile-battery/2010/06/07/color-makes-a-difference color vs power consumption oled vs tft |
| 21:49.12 | alterego | I feel like I'm talking to myself on the t.m.o thread :D |
| 21:49.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1 to test app, and 999 to keep maemo.org running |
| 21:49.28 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, my app stayed about a month in testing |
| 21:49.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:49.42 | MohammadAG51 | till someone actually posted a "we need testers" thread |
| 21:49.45 | alterego | Wasn't there an auto promote? |
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| 21:49.57 | lbt | who needs testing? |
| 21:50.09 | alterego | lbt: people that want there app in extras :P |
| 21:50.16 | alterego | s/there/their/ |
| 21:50.18 | alterego | awful :D |
| 21:50.25 | lbt | in the specific, not the generic |
| 21:50.26 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, man your email's gonna get spammed :P |
| 21:50.31 | *** part/#maemo DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 21:50.42 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, request a bugtracker |
| 21:50.48 | alterego | MohammadAG51: (cough) already does ... |
| 21:50.55 | MohammadAG51 | xD |
| 21:51.01 | lbt | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.9-2/ |
| 21:51.10 | MohammadAG51 | seriously, switch to a bugtracker |
| 21:51.10 | lbt | swap you? |
| 21:51.37 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, vote your app up, it's sad but I did it |
| 21:51.53 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:52.05 | alterego | I was going to ... :D |
| 21:52.11 | lbt | proposes a mutual admiration and testing club |
| 21:52.23 | lbt | we need 10 members... |
| 21:52.28 | alterego | :) |
| 21:54.40 | benno2 | Hi, I read some time ago that Nokia sold about 100k N900 in 5 weeks, how many do you think were sold until now ? I see that the N900 is still launched in new countries like India and on many www.nokia.* sites the N900 is on the front page. do you think 500k N900 might be realistic ? |
| 21:54.52 | lbt | yes |
| 21:54.54 | lbt | no |
| 21:55.09 | jacekowski | more |
| 21:55.10 | MohammadAG51 | hopefully not |
| 21:55.14 | alterego | I think a lot more. |
| 21:55.16 | lbt | there you go... all possibilities covered |
| 21:55.21 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:55.23 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 21:55.26 | frosty` | lol lbt |
| 21:55.26 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: ? |
| 21:55.49 | alterego | MohammadAG51: where do I vote it up? |
| 21:55.56 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, from the looks of tmo, I really would like a smaller community |
| 21:56.07 | lbt | MohammadAG51: try MeeGo |
| 21:56.10 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, go to the packages page and hit the testing armel one |
| 21:56.14 | MohammadAG51 | lbt, fsck no |
| 21:56.20 | lbt | it's smaller :) |
| 21:56.21 | alterego | Ah, right, cool. |
| 21:56.34 | MohammadAG51 | lbt, at the moment yes, in half a year... |
| 21:56.44 | lbt | *nod* |
| 21:56.51 | MohammadAG51 | well, at least whiners will move to MeeGo |
| 21:56.57 | MohammadAG51 | I'll be a happy bastard |
| 21:57.02 | lbt | anyhow... who wants to start a test group? |
| 21:57.14 | MohammadAG51 | isn't there aready one? :) |
| 21:57.24 | alterego | I think we should close off some parts of the forum for real community members :) |
| 21:57.37 | lbt | MohammadAG51: is there? |
| 21:57.40 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, was thinking the same |
| 21:57.42 | alterego | Add a limit (you can only post here if you've had an account since 2007) |
| 21:57.47 | MohammadAG51 | 1000 thanks |
| 21:57.58 | MohammadAG51 | or 1.5k |
| 21:58.08 | lbt | that suggests pmo users... |
| 21:58.19 | MohammadAG51 | private.maemo.org? |
| 21:58.25 | alterego | When I read posts like: "290 crappy apps" ... |
| 21:58.33 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, that's kinda lame :P |
| 21:58.36 | alterego | It makes me think, w .. t .. f ?! |
| 21:58.37 | MohammadAG51 | i joined in 09 |
| 21:59.02 | MohammadAG51 | i always thought the N8x0 and 770 had a crappy OS |
| 21:59.09 | MohammadAG51 | never read a wiki article about it |
| 21:59.20 | MohammadAG51 | i was a bit blinded by Symbian |
| 21:59.34 | alterego | I was kidding, about '07 thing. I'm sure there are some very active members who are worth their weight in gold that only hopped on for the N900 :P |
| 21:59.36 | MohammadAG51 | then the N97 came and changed all that |
| 21:59.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, there's ome 30k on tmo |
| 22:00.00 | MohammadAG51 | likes the N97 |
| 22:00.01 | alterego | Symbian does have an interesting distortion field surrounding it. |
| 22:00.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | so you bet >500k |
| 22:00.05 | MohammadAG51 | it made me hate symbian |
| 22:00.29 | alterego | I've never realy liked it. I got the first Series 60, (7650) |
| 22:00.30 | MohammadAG51 | i wish I had an N810 |
| 22:00.33 | MohammadAG51 | or N800 |
| 22:00.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | why |
| 22:00.45 | alterego | I liked it, but it was so far ahead of it's time, but, well, I was sort of expecting more. |
| 22:00.51 | alterego | I love my N810 :) |
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| 22:01.04 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, so I could've been part of the community when it wasn't shit |
| 22:01.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | i love both of them |
| 22:01.06 | alterego | Though, compared with the N900, when I pick it up it kind of feels like a toy :D |
| 22:01.07 | MohammadAG51 | well, tmo |
| 22:01.29 | alterego | tbh, before the N900, I actually never really used t.m.o |
| 22:01.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | neither |
| 22:01.43 | alterego | It was all just here really, in IRC |
| 22:02.01 | MohammadAG51 | what about Itt? |
| 22:02.16 | alterego | This is where the more interesting things happen, but as the size increased, it's pretty hard to keep track of the information that goes through here. |
| 22:02.31 | alterego | MohammadAG51: yeah, I mean ITT, never used it before the N900 and it changing to t.m.o |
| 22:03.12 | mece | in shellscripts, # for comments, right? |
| 22:03.31 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: do you run 0.2.0-1 or -1 of alarmed? |
| 22:03.32 | alterego | But people are getting pretty good at wikifying the interesting substance I think. Still though, I'm sure there's a lot of duplicated effort in the community and not enough, erm, mind sharing. |
| 22:03.37 | alterego | mece: yhes |
| 22:03.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | is going to kick users a* thru k* to keep irc chan small enough |
| 22:03.44 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.53 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: and what exactly happens when there's a problem with deleting? |
| 22:03.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: latest |
| 22:03.54 | mece | ok, thanks. |
| 22:04.03 | SpeedEvil | Including A through K? |
| 22:04.10 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: can you start from 'b' or should I change to capitals? :P |
| 22:04.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: bothing happens on hitting delete |
| 22:04.35 | nidO | surely youll get to D then run into problems |
| 22:04.37 | mece | is writing preinst and postrm scripts to backup and restore the libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 file |
| 22:04.53 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: have you had the chance to run it on a CLI and look for error output? |
| 22:05.33 | alterego | ptl: you about? |
| 22:06.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: not yet |
| 22:09.13 | SpeedEvil | Is there a syslog somewhere in the repos? |
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| 22:09.38 | SpeedEvil | ah - I forgot the d. |
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| 22:11.49 | alterego | Well, if there's anyone interested in doing some testing here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.2/ |
| 22:11.52 | alterego | pleeeeease! |
| 22:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: -ng? |
| 22:13.30 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 22:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: no "about" in the menu :-S |
| 22:14.12 | alterego | Is repository.maemo.org down? |
| 22:14.22 | Shapeshifter | menu? |
| 22:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: syslog-ng |
| 22:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: exactly |
| 22:14.48 | Shapeshifter | what menu, what "about"? |
| 22:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: exactly |
| 22:15.04 | Shapeshifter | why add unnecessary stuff |
| 22:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:15.19 | alterego | Well, this is annoying. |
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| 22:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | i could try a alarmed -V in shell |
| 22:16.27 | alterego | Oh, was my internet .. |
| 22:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't pan out - no alarmed at all |
| 22:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 22:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: optification borked it? |
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| 22:18.34 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 22:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: no, it's been me, starting to kick a* |
| 22:18.52 | alterego | :P |
| 22:19.03 | MohammadAG51 | he killed himself |
| 22:19.16 | Shapeshifter | I'm not sure if I have a symlink in my package. I guess I should make one or something. Or maybe py2deb should? I dunno. Anyway /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py should work |
| 22:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | damn, i'm d* |
| 22:19.33 | alterego | Shapeshifter: permissions? |
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| 22:19.46 | alterego | Shapeshifter: I.E. is it executable? |
| 22:19.47 | Jaffa | beds. |
| 22:20.28 | alterego | Oh, wait, my bad, didn't actually read all of that :D |
| 22:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | alar<tab> doesn't pan out |
| 22:20.49 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 22:21.14 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you mean without the path? Well as I said probably there's no symlink in /usr/bin/ or similar |
| 22:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: optification borked it? |
| 22:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | c&p from 10min ago |
| 22:23.08 | Shapeshifter | what?? |
| 22:23.11 | Shapeshifter | nothing is broken |
| 22:23.14 | Shapeshifter | everything works |
| 22:23.22 | Shapeshifter | I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
| 22:23.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | alarmed.py: error: no such option: -V |
| 22:23.56 | Shapeshifter | so? |
| 22:24.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ah - I found syslogd - which I have installed and working. |
| 22:24.10 | Shapeshifter | why would an app need to advertise it's own version. that's package-manager business. |
| 22:24.11 | SpeedEvil | (once I set it up to drop its logs in /home |
| 22:24.23 | Shapeshifter | or do you mean verbose? |
| 22:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'm not supposed to have /opt/alarmed/ in my $PATH |
| 22:24.49 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I know |
| 22:24.56 | Shapeshifter | I'm saying it probably never worked |
| 22:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | and -V should give me an idea about version |
| 22:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | just saying |
| 22:25.51 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I disagree. Apps don't need version info inside the app. That would mean I'd need more build-periphery that does stuff automatically, or I'd need to update version numbers in two places. that's from the old times, when there was no package management. or on windows :> |
| 22:25.56 | Shapeshifter | where everything is in chaos. |
| 22:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | or if -V doesn't then at least --help should |
| 22:26.10 | Shapeshifter | why |
| 22:26.16 | Shapeshifter | apt-info alarmed |
| 22:26.18 | Shapeshifter | or |
| 22:26.21 | Shapeshifter | apt-cache info |
| 22:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | package management? which package manegement?? |
| 22:27.04 | Shapeshifter | apt |
| 22:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 22:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | apt seems even unable to tell me the REPO a particular app is installed from |
| 22:28.05 | MohammadAG51 | HAM can |
| 22:28.17 | mece | yay HAM! |
| 22:28.38 | jperez26 | so...any idea when a viable test version of meego for n8x0 will be ready? >.>;; |
| 22:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | heads off to warm up some wieners |
| 22:28.58 | jperez26 | i'd love to get my hands on it for testing |
| 22:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | /join meego |
| 22:30.00 | jperez26 | oh psh |
| 22:30.09 | jperez26 | you're no fun doc >:/ |
| 22:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: HAM takes 5 minutes just to start up. Couldn't bother less to try and find out about a version of a pkg this way |
| 22:30.14 | alterego | http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?pid=4325663&id=695772868 |
| 22:30.26 | alterego | A picture of me with my N900, taken by someone with an N900, :D |
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| 22:30.33 | alterego | That was timed impeccably. |
| 22:31.13 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, No way the flag ye sent fer can be spied upon now. Yer lookin glass may be foggy or yer shipmates may be planning yer mutiny! Better watch yer back. |
| 22:31.27 | MohammadAG51 | next time, link to a .jpg :) |
| 22:31.55 | alterego | Oh, hahah, privacy settings. |
| 22:32.11 | alterego | I was wondering what you were talking about for a moment. |
| 22:32.12 | MohammadAG51 | (English (Pirate) language selected) |
| 22:32.18 | alterego | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs319.ash1/28105_397565012868_695772868_4325663_6844699_n.jpg |
| 22:32.21 | alterego | Is that better? |
| 22:32.50 | MohammadAG51 | oi! change to 5MP photos |
| 22:33.00 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache show alarmed | grep Version |
| 22:33.01 | Shapeshifter | Version: 0.2.0-2 |
| 22:33.08 | mece | damn you modified filemanager! quit giving me sw_rst reboots! |
| 22:33.10 | alterego | MohammadAG51: ? |
| 22:33.15 | alterego | Not my camera :P |
| 22:33.21 | MohammadAG51 | heh |
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| 22:33.30 | Funnyface | am I the only one that keeps entering "Settings" since they removed the "More..." icon from the menu? :P |
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| 22:33.57 | alterego | Funnyface: probably yeah :P |
| 22:33.58 | mece | Funnyface, I have to admit I did that a couple of times after upgrade |
| 22:34.07 | Funnyface | hehe |
| 22:34.08 | alterego | Funnyface: no, I'ver heard a couple of people talking about that issue |
| 22:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: is there a way to use rpm? |
| 22:34.45 | MohammadAG51 | Funnyface, nope, I just moved the settings icon, and made terminal where more is |
| 22:34.52 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: why would you want to do that? |
| 22:35.00 | MohammadAG51 | so if I actually do it, I just run the app from terminal |
| 22:35.07 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: is rpm any better than apt? apt is such a pita. |
| 22:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | because I don't know a shit of apt |
| 22:35.28 | MohammadAG51 | rpm sucks |
| 22:35.30 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ah well. no clue. I had to learn apt as well. it's not that complicated |
| 22:35.37 | Shapeshifter | or rather, it is VERY complicated |
| 22:35.44 | Shapeshifter | but the 3 things you need everyday are not. |
| 22:35.46 | MohammadAG51 | finds it quite easy |
| 22:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | I only know <cmd> -V |
| 22:35.54 | Shapeshifter | apt is a mess |
| 22:36.02 | Funnyface | I guess I haven't used my device enough since the upgrade :\ |
| 22:36.04 | Shapeshifter | horrible. but I've said that many times enough |
| 22:36.07 | MohammadAG51 | it's much better than RPM tbh |
| 22:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | and <cmd> --help |
| 22:36.15 | alterego | MohammadAG51: anyhow, I prefer the 3.5 widescreen images :P |
| 22:36.15 | MohammadAG51 | rpm is soooo slow |
| 22:36.19 | Shapeshifter | dunno, I don't know rpm, so that maybe true. |
| 22:36.39 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 22:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | if both doesn't tell me about version of the program text loaded, then I can't be bothered to ask some 3rd app about it |
| 22:37.41 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: what third party app? |
| 22:37.46 | Shapeshifter | apt-cache is part of apt |
| 22:37.57 | MohammadAG51 | indeed |
| 22:38.13 | mece | does test -f return true on symlinks? |
| 22:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | I installed my system with flasher-tool |
| 22:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | what is apt? |
| 22:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | or, what is xterm, for that topic? alarmed has a GUI |
| 22:39.22 | MohammadAG51 | err |
| 22:39.27 | MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, |
| 22:39.46 | MohammadAG51 | just add a dpkg -l alarmed to your app |
| 22:39.49 | mece | errm. could I get the output of ls -l /usr/lib/libhildonfm* on N900 pls? |
| 22:39.52 | MohammadAG51 | make it show version number |
| 22:39.53 | Shapeshifter | imo the application doesn't need to advertise anything about it's state. If you'd want that, you'd have to add a little package manager to every single app you write that checks integrity, cares about versioning... |
| 22:40.17 | MohammadAG51 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jun 10 13:22 /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so.2 -> libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 |
| 22:40.17 | MohammadAG51 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 301476 Apr 15 18:55 /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 |
| 22:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 22:40.51 | Shapeshifter | you're just used to it from the old times |
| 22:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ uname -a |
| 22:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | Linux Nokia-N900-02-8 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 2 18:49:44 IDT 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 22:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ less -V |
| 22:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | less 429 |
| 22:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | Copyright (C) 1984-2008 Mark Nudelman |
| 22:41.22 | mece | MohammadAG51, Much obliged. Thank you. |
| 22:41.24 | Shapeshifter | *click on help -> about, see copyright notice, license, and credits and that you're not allowed to copy the program" |
| 22:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | don't tell me about modern times, mate |
| 22:41.36 | vldcnst | crashanddie: cool song |
| 22:41.37 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah. less is from the old times |
| 22:42.05 | Shapeshifter | today you do: apt-cache show less |
| 22:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's fashinable to be stupid... I just don't care |
| 22:42.11 | Shapeshifter | Version: 429-2maemo1 |
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| 22:42.45 | MohammadAG51 | oooh |
| 22:42.50 | MohammadAG51 | i like this -V shit |
| 22:42.53 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you get more useful info out of apt-cache than if every single app were to increment an internal counter. which of course gets forgotten and is just one more redundant step in packaging |
| 22:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: no, as I copied over the executable, and apt doesn't know a shit about it, or about my $PATH |
| 22:43.11 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: why do you do that. |
| 22:43.13 | Shapeshifter | use apt |
| 22:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | NO I WON'T |
| 22:43.30 | Shapeshifter | well then that's your problem :) |
| 22:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | and you won't tell me to do |
| 22:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's YOUR problem, not mine |
| 22:43.54 | Shapeshifter | why is it? |
| 22:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | YOU asked ME about the version of the executable I used |
| 22:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | get's pissed, slowly but inevitably |
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| 22:44.45 | MohammadAG51 | Beer? |
| 22:44.46 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I was assuming that you got it from extras-devel. Do you think that assumption is not sane given that maemo 5 uses apt and alarmed is in extras-devel? |
| 22:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | you don't even know which version of maemo I use here |
| 22:45.25 | Shapeshifter | again, why would you go around placing stuff by hand instead of letting the package manager do it |
| 22:45.27 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 22:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | damn you don't even know the device |
| 22:45.39 | MohammadAG51 | RX-91 |
| 22:45.46 | Shapeshifter | woot |
| 22:45.48 | MohammadAG51 | it runs Mac OS X |
| 22:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'm on 1.1.1 here, with a custom kernel, and a messed up apt database |
| 22:47.53 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: that is unfortunate. |
| 22:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | and I copied back a partition image of /opt |
| 22:48.24 | MohammadAG51 | you didn't upgrade to 1.2? |
| 22:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | so now tell me, is the version I report to you from apt really the one of the executable I used |
| 22:48.40 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: unlikely so |
| 22:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | you CAN'T |
| 22:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | so don't tell me about modern fucking times, dude |
| 22:49.31 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: then again, you probably got the files from a tar.gz or deb labeled with a version :) |
| 22:49.47 | Shapeshifter | aaanyway |
| 22:49.54 | Shapeshifter | unusual circumstances |
| 22:50.10 | crashanddie | chill, children |
| 22:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | you NEVER face 'usual circumstances' when troubleshooting |
| 22:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is wrong with a version number in --help? |
| 22:52.16 | crashanddie | vldcnst: I heard a remixed version for some honda ad, and I just felt like I knew it (almost impossible to hear, maybe 3 seconds in the ad) |
| 22:52.49 | crashanddie | vldcnst: was watching a stupid movie, but couldn't focus. The song kept popping back, till it hit me, I heard it yesterday while playing little big planet with some friends |
| 22:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | too much hassle for the developer? |
| 22:53.07 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, oh you have a PS3? |
| 22:53.12 | crashanddie | I have 3 |
| 22:53.13 | crashanddie | lol |
| 22:53.14 | MohammadAG51 | LBP is epic :D |
| 22:53.17 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: as I said, I'd need to increment it by hand in two files (build script/changes + in the code) or build around some magic that it gets incremented automatically when changed in the build script |
| 22:53.31 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, what's your ID? :) |
| 22:53.37 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: crashanddie_ |
| 22:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, just do it then |
| 22:53.59 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: do you have RDR? |
| 22:54.04 | mece | aw crap.. |
| 22:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | you see less can do it as well |
| 22:54.12 | MohammadAG51 | Red Dead Redemption? nah, is it good? |
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| 22:54.22 | vldcnst | crashanddie: the lyrics are also interesting. |
| 22:54.22 | crashanddie | yeah, pretty fun, if you like spaghetti westerns |
| 22:54.41 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I don't see the necessity. |
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| 22:55.17 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: I'm more concerned with functionality than topping ans sprinkles. |
| 22:55.21 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: played online for the first time today, heaps of fun. You just find some people in this huge desert, and the leader goes "ok, let's go and shoot some criminals", and as a gang you raid some other gang hideout |
| 22:55.22 | Shapeshifter | each to his own |
| 22:55.37 | mece | annoying. if I do an install of a package (p1) that is already installed (p2), it runs like this: p1 preinst, p2 postrm, p1 install. |
| 22:55.44 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: you can always fork ;) |
| 22:56.26 | mece | which results in my preinst magic is based on the already installed thing, but then the postrm is run before the actual thing is installed. damn und blast! |
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| 22:59.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | you bet I'll do rather than share my thoughts to people who don't care and prefer to ask me meaningless quewtions, just to answer them with 'unusual circumstances. your system isn't maimtained the "modern" way' |
| 23:00.44 | Shapeshifter | sure |
| 23:00.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you're lazy then why at all share packages? |
| 23:01.14 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: you really want to keep going? |
| 23:01.34 | Shapeshifter | I think I've endured enough DocScrutiny for today, I'll rather go to sleep :> |
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| 23:17.15 | crashanddie | lmao, watching a documentary about fraudulent landlords... Some landlord has a civil company, and the associates are himself, his wife, his two daughters and his son. Only problem, his daughters are twins born 4 years ago, and the boy is under a year old |
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| 23:18.18 | asj | can a 4 year old not be stock holders in your country? |
| 23:18.25 | crashanddie | sure they can |
| 23:19.12 | crashanddie | just makes it quite hard for the assemblies. "Motion to give daddy a new car, Johnny boy vote yes or no dessert tonight" |
| 23:20.21 | asj | maybe I'm just cynical, but that's only slightly more silly than what happens in companies all the time. "Edward, we recommend you vote yes since they would greatly increase your quartly bonus" |
| 23:20.42 | asj | err, s/they/that/ |
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| 23:35.06 | pigeon | is there a way to add the usb net connection to the list of connections for things like auto update for things (e.g. modest)? |
| 23:36.18 | pigeon | usually they only show "WLAN" and "any connections" |
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| 23:38.55 | jperez26 | meego channel seems useless. no one is active ._. |
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| 23:45.49 | SpeedEvil | Maemo runs. http://qkwv.com/zombeef.jpg |
| 23:47.07 | vldcnst | runs. |
| 23:48.24 | mece | runs, screaming "ZOMBIECOWS! RUN!!!" |
| 23:49.40 | mece | damn you ssu! |
| 23:49.46 | mece | or whatever it's called. Firmware |
| 23:49.53 | mece | stupid ham. |
| 23:50.52 | mece | HAM tells me that it will not install that because it pokes at my precious firmware in a way that I'm not comfortable with |
| 23:51.11 | mece | ~curse hildon application manager |
| 23:51.12 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, hildon application manager ! |
| 23:51.18 | SpeedEvil | pr1.2 you mean? |
| 23:51.23 | mece | well yes. |
| 23:51.41 | mece | I aimed to discreetly replace one small library. |
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| 23:51.58 | mece | well it works fine with dpkg, so it's not really that much of a problem. |
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| 23:52.21 | mece | it even makes a backup of the library, so it can restore it as it were when uninstalled. |
| 23:54.29 | mece | which it even does :) |
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