| 00:00.01 | PolarFox | and drive.. |
| 00:00.34 | PolarFox | I break laptops in 2 years.. always.. this home desktop is the only thing that has worked more than 4 years.. |
| 00:00.48 | PolarFox | Maybe it's because I put it together myself. |
| 00:01.24 | asj | PolarFox: anyways that's not my point, for example if you install an "enhanced" kernel you should know how it's enhanced |
| 00:02.09 | PolarFox | asj: I agree.. and even then you must be ready to buy a new phone. |
| 00:02.23 | HtheB | PolarFox, |
| 00:02.29 | HtheB | wanna have a lowwww quality video xD |
| 00:02.47 | ZogG | \o/ |
| 00:03.07 | PolarFox | There is a SMS Chat on TV... Cancer of broadcast media.. |
| 00:03.18 | Macer | hm |
| 00:03.40 | PolarFox | HtheB: shure, I like videos.. except 2 girls 1 cup was a bit too much.. |
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| 00:04.02 | asj | PolarFox: and I had blanked that from my memory |
| 00:04.15 | Macer | heh |
| 00:04.29 | *** join/#maemo hrw|gone (~hrw@chello089078170228.chello.pl) |
| 00:04.33 | ZogG | damn the contacts in maemo are terrible |
| 00:04.51 | PolarFox | I just wish N900 would have host mode for me.. I would like to do stuff with my Canon DSLR camera ;) |
| 00:05.47 | ZogG | PolarFox like what> |
| 00:06.12 | PolarFox | Like upload stuff to internet from my camera.. :) |
| 00:06.25 | Kegetys | and view the viewfinder image |
| 00:06.43 | ZogG | PolarFox, there is usb host support now as i understand |
| 00:06.44 | Kegetys | or the live view image that is |
| 00:06.44 | HtheB | accept it PolarFox |
| 00:06.45 | HtheB | :p |
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| 00:07.02 | MohammadAG | morning ZogG |
| 00:07.05 | PolarFox | HtheB: I'm using a irssi proxy.. please wait .. :) |
| 00:07.09 | ZogG | MohammadAG and DocScrutinizer managed to do something toward it |
| 00:07.19 | ZogG | MohammadAG, why are you not sleeping? |
| 00:07.48 | MohammadAG | I don't recall having anything for tomorrow |
| 00:08.00 | MohammadAG | 2. http://i49.tinypic.com/1j4ttu.jpg |
| 00:08.54 | ZogG | what about nuclear attack? |
| 00:08.54 | MohammadAG | 3. "Sleep is overrated" (C) DocScrutinizer |
| 00:08.54 | ZogG | MohammadAG =) |
| 00:09.00 | PolarFox | HtheB: Well hoorayh, it didn't work. :) |
| 00:09.01 | ZogG | MohammadAG i need to start programming on qt |
| 00:09.04 | HtheB | haha |
| 00:09.06 | ZogG | but i'm too noob |
| 00:09.07 | HtheB | trying again |
| 00:09.21 | HtheB | or w8 |
| 00:09.22 | HtheB | ill upload it |
| 00:09.28 | PolarFox | How can anyone sleep when there is the NHL finals going on.. :) |
| 00:09.39 | MohammadAG | Meh |
| 00:09.47 | MohammadAG | World Cup ftw |
| 00:09.47 | ZogG | MohammadAG, today i saw girl with N900, so i started to talk and at the end got her number =) Nokia connecting people |
| 00:09.51 | HtheB | WC <3 |
| 00:09.52 | Mousey | whats an NHL final? do you have to study for it? |
| 00:09.58 | MohammadAG | I'm so waiting to start flaming |
| 00:10.11 | lardman|home | night all |
| 00:10.44 | PolarFox | N900 with good host support would make my photography "business" so much easier.. no need to drag a laptop with me for sending previews to the editor.. :) |
| 00:10.52 | ZogG | MohammadAG, so how the fuck do they want us to organize all the contacts? |
| 00:10.58 | HtheB | ok uploaded! |
| 00:11.10 | asj | ZogG: it wasn't 21-479-7990 was it? |
| 00:11.21 | HtheB | www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp |
| 00:11.31 | ZogG | asj, are you girl? |
| 00:11.31 | HtheB | sorry, taken with my Nokia 6230 |
| 00:11.49 | asj | ZogG: oops, 212-749-7990, google it :) |
| 00:12.05 | HtheB | watch it Polar |
| 00:12.07 | asj | ack, why can't I type it right, 479 |
| 00:12.38 | HtheB | www.lmgtfy.com/?q=212-479-7990 |
| 00:13.02 | MohammadAG | HtheB, I don |
| 00:13.08 | MohammadAG | 't get that |
| 00:13.16 | HtheB | did u watch the vid? |
| 00:13.30 | HtheB | it's the pressing power button shizzle :p |
| 00:13.31 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:13.39 | HtheB | if I just use my switch etc |
| 00:13.42 | HtheB | no problems at all |
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| 00:13.53 | HtheB | but once the MENU drops down |
| 00:13.55 | HtheB | when u press power |
| 00:14.02 | HtheB | it will kill the sound for 2 secs |
| 00:14.05 | ZogG | asj, man, you probably learned that number in a hard way |
| 00:14.09 | HtheB | even if the screen is black already |
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| 00:14.21 | TheOne | hi guys |
| 00:14.24 | asj | ZogG: I just think it's hilarious :) |
| 00:14.24 | ZogG | asj, actually not that one, as she took my number first =) |
| 00:14.46 | TheOne | can sameone tell me an app to view powerpoint presentations on my n900 ? |
| 00:14.49 | ZogG | asj, yeah, it is =) but it's mean |
| 00:15.15 | asj | ZogG: it's very passive agresive, if you don't have the balls to say "f off and die" then....oh wait.. |
| 00:15.17 | PolarFox | HtheB: funny. |
| 00:15.37 | ZogG | asj, if girl can't say fuck of ,she is slut anyways =) |
| 00:15.42 | ZogG | off* |
| 00:15.45 | HtheB | weird problem idd |
| 00:16.06 | ZogG | damn i alays fforget that there are kids here |
| 00:16.09 | ZogG | sorry MohammadAG |
| 00:16.33 | TheOne | exists such an app? ^^ |
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| 00:17.03 | TheOne | or does i have to convert ppt files to pdf ? |
| 00:17.11 | ZogG | PolarFox, so if your business is photography you would prob know |
| 00:17.15 | Ken-Young | TheOne, Openoffice under Easy Debian would probably do it. |
| 00:17.34 | ZogG | there is this program for n900 to edit photos |
| 00:17.54 | ZogG | can it delete all the data of camera and so on, i mean from picture |
| 00:18.16 | TheOne | hmm ooo would be cool but it is not touch optimized - i think it must be a pain to use it |
| 00:18.24 | ZogG | Ken-Young, not the way to do it |
| 00:18.26 | PolarFox | Editing photos on anything less GREAT laptop is waste of time.. :) |
| 00:18.26 | TheOne | other options? |
| 00:18.50 | PolarFox | But I do forget a lot of words... Maybe I really should sleep some.. |
| 00:18.54 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Stripping exif data would be an obvious feature. |
| 00:19.21 | ZogG | PolarFox, i don't need to edit - i want to delete all metadata of camera, just don't want anyone to track me =)) |
| 00:19.36 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, the question if it does that |
| 00:19.54 | PolarFox | ZogG: Exiv2 ? :) |
| 00:20.11 | PolarFox | Does it have an maemo port? :) |
| 00:20.43 | ZogG | took photos of car today from exhibition and was told not to upload to internets =) |
| 00:21.01 | ZogG | PolarFox, nope - there is photo editor program for maemo |
| 00:21.02 | HtheB | this isnt the internets |
| 00:21.04 | HtheB | its IRC! :p |
| 00:21.23 | HtheB | ZogG, GIMP? :p |
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| 00:21.47 | PolarFox | Why use an photoeditor to remove metadata? :) exiv2 can do same thing from console. :) |
| 00:21.51 | ZogG | HtheB for photo |
| 00:22.02 | ZogG | anole or something like that |
| 00:22.06 | HtheB | gims is for photo.... |
| 00:22.09 | HtheB | gimp* |
| 00:22.15 | ZogG | HtheB gimp is for more |
| 00:22.22 | HtheB | and for photo :P |
| 00:22.23 | HtheB | heh |
| 00:22.43 | HtheB | GNU Image manupulation P..... |
| 00:22.48 | HtheB | program? |
| 00:22.56 | ZogG | throws crazy turtles on HtheB |
| 00:23.04 | HtheB | dodges the turtles |
| 00:23.38 | HtheB | throws squeezes plastic bottles loaded with shit in it on ZogG |
| 00:23.43 | HtheB | -throws |
| 00:23.57 | ZogG | failed |
| 00:24.04 | HtheB | xD |
| 00:24.11 | ZogG | ) |
| 00:24.18 | HtheB | PolarFox, |
| 00:24.22 | HtheB | ill flash 1.2 again |
| 00:24.33 | ZogG | just do it |
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| 00:25.06 | ZogG | i don't need to wake up in the morning |
| 00:25.08 | HtheB | quick flash command pls |
| 00:25.08 | ZogG | ]o/ |
| 00:25.17 | ZogG | ~flashing |
| 00:25.18 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:25.18 | HtheB | -f |
| 00:25.29 | HtheB | too lazy to check |
| 00:25.30 | HtheB | sigh |
| 00:25.31 | HtheB | ok |
| 00:25.48 | ZogG | ~kick HtheB |
| 00:25.48 | infobot | ACTION kicks HtheB |
| 00:26.00 | HtheB | fu |
| 00:26.00 | HtheB | :P |
| 00:26.02 | HtheB | heh |
| 00:26.02 | ZogG | is going back to sleep |
| 00:26.06 | HtheB | nite ZogG |
| 00:26.08 | ZogG | night |
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| 00:31.27 | HtheB | ok flashed :) |
| 00:31.30 | HtheB | lets see now |
| 00:33.13 | HtheB | PolarFox |
| 00:34.18 | HtheB | wtf lol |
| 00:34.30 | HtheB | theme fail |
| 00:34.40 | TheOne | found freeoffice, thats works perfekt - thx and bye |
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| 00:35.31 | HtheB | it works! |
| 00:35.36 | HtheB | but my theme has been lost |
| 00:35.38 | HtheB | lol!? |
| 00:36.24 | ohwhyme | HtheB: What works? |
| 00:36.39 | HtheB | www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp |
| 00:36.44 | HtheB | i had this odd problem |
| 00:36.59 | HtheB | pressing power made my sound get back to silence for 2 secs |
| 00:37.08 | HtheB | while listening to music |
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| 00:38.07 | HtheB | my there was dissappeird |
| 00:38.15 | HtheB | had some "windows 95" look a like buttons |
| 00:38.21 | HtheB | :D |
| 00:38.24 | HtheB | flashing again |
| 00:39.59 | HtheB | damn |
| 00:40.04 | HtheB | 2.40 already! |
| 00:40.13 | HtheB | i shuold go to bed :/ |
| 00:42.33 | HtheB | \:D/ |
| 00:42.33 | HtheB | works |
| 00:42.39 | HtheB | now lets put back the backup |
| 00:42.43 | HtheB | and see if it makes the same problem |
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| 00:44.00 | rodald | hi everyone does anybody knows why i cant play the recorded videos with the TV out? |
| 00:44.42 | asj | rodald: wfm |
| 00:45.31 | rodald | what do you mean? |
| 00:45.45 | asj | rodald: works for me |
| 00:45.55 | asj | rodald: do they play at all? |
| 00:46.43 | rodald | oooh, yes on the device they play but it doesent show on the TV |
| 00:47.01 | asj | ok, when you plug in tv-out does that work? show you the grid, etc |
| 00:47.28 | rodald | everything else does shows but the recorded videos dont |
| 00:47.33 | asj | no clue |
| 00:48.30 | rodald | i can see all the other videos but i cant see the ones i recorded |
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| 00:52.10 | Macer | anybody here remember the name of the movie about the final days in the hitler bunker in berlin? |
| 00:53.09 | pigeon | ok, downgraded telepathy-butterfly back to 0.5.4-1maemo0 and it works now |
| 00:53.11 | rodald | does any body else has this problem? with the TV out |
| 00:53.37 | asj | rodald: ah, haven't actually tried video I recorded myself, sec |
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| 00:54.19 | Macer | downfall |
| 00:54.32 | rodald | and do you know if any body else has tried it? |
| 00:57.10 | timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ hildon2.2 theming? |
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| 00:57.50 | asj | rodald: tried it, fails. 3rd party video works, video the n900 recorded fails. |
| 00:58.09 | asj | rodald: best I can suggest is filing a bug report at the maemo bugzilla |
| 00:58.22 | asj | rodald: that'll mean it has a chance of getting fixed at least |
| 00:58.55 | rodald | ok thank you, so it doesnt work with you either? |
| 00:58.58 | Macer | asj: hm. i never tried the video out with the videos i made on the cam |
| 00:59.10 | Macer | i should try it :) |
| 00:59.27 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 00:59.33 | MohammadAG | never seen a python app segfault |
| 00:59.42 | rodald | try it maybe on yours it works |
| 00:59.53 | Macer | MohammadAG: i thought python just calls other apps ;) |
| 01:00.05 | Macer | rodald: hm. let me dig up the cable and give it a try.. brb |
| 01:00.16 | asj | rodald: correct, I just tested it here (monitor has composite in) and it does not work. camera application shows the picture while in camera mode looks pretty neat at 24", then switch to record video and I lose the video output. Record video. Try play back, black terminal. |
| 01:01.24 | rodald | where can i file the bug? |
| 01:01.49 | asj | rodald: https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi |
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| 01:03.46 | timeless_mbp | rodald: did you try switching between NTSC and PAL? |
| 01:04.17 | Macer | nope |
| 01:04.22 | Macer | they don't :) |
| 01:04.27 | MohammadAG | can anyone help with a pyQt app? |
| 01:04.32 | rodald | yes but my TV its a regular one and if i change to PAL it apears with interference |
| 01:04.44 | timeless_mbp | so what's the bug? |
| 01:04.48 | timeless_mbp | fishes for a cable |
| 01:04.54 | Macer | heh |
| 01:04.58 | Macer | rodald: just tried it |
| 01:05.01 | Macer | avis work fine |
| 01:05.15 | Macer | i don't have another h264 non n900 video to test with tho |
| 01:05.16 | rodald | so it is because of the file format? |
| 01:05.32 | Macer | i would guess it is because the n900 probably uses the hw decoder |
| 01:05.50 | Macer | but that's just a wild guess ;) |
| 01:06.13 | Macer | maybe the tv out port isn't connected to the hw decoder? |
| 01:06.13 | asj | I don't buy that Macer |
| 01:06.18 | Macer | :) |
| 01:06.35 | Macer | well .. i get the vid on the phone but not on the tv |
| 01:06.38 | asj | Macer: the view finder while taking video isn't output either, yet it is for pics |
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| 01:07.25 | asj | it's like an anti-drm feature ;) |
| 01:07.37 | Macer | haha... i don't buy that ;) |
| 01:07.43 | Macer | drm on n900 recorded video? |
| 01:07.47 | asj | you can watch pirated, err legally aquired video, but not ones you record youself ;) |
| 01:07.53 | Macer | hahaha |
| 01:08.01 | Macer | that would be awesome :) |
| 01:08.07 | Macer | anti-anti-piracy |
| 01:08.46 | asj | eactly |
| 01:09.20 | Macer | wtf. i have no idea where these damn scratches are coming from |
| 01:09.24 | Macer | they are very small but noticable in light |
| 01:09.34 | Macer | i'm starting to suspect the stylus |
| 01:09.38 | Macer | i take very good care of my n900 |
| 01:09.54 | Macer | i think i'll get a screen protector so it won't show as badly |
| 01:10.05 | asj | Macer: that'll make the screen horrible |
| 01:10.07 | rodald | i have the same problem and my screen protector arrives in two weeks :( |
| 01:10.16 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 01:10.18 | asj | touch wise |
| 01:10.25 | rodald | and i really thake good care of it |
| 01:10.27 | timeless_mbp | can't find the cable |
| 01:10.28 | Macer | asj: i've used a screen protector on my n810 |
| 01:10.30 | timeless_mbp | used it recently |
| 01:10.32 | Macer | it works fine |
| 01:10.33 | Macer | :) |
| 01:10.34 | timeless_mbp | will just have to grab another |
| 01:10.44 | asj | no comment ;) |
| 01:10.48 | Macer | heh |
| 01:10.51 | MohammadAG | can't figure out how a pyQt app segfaults |
| 01:10.51 | asj | I hate symbian |
| 01:10.54 | Macer | i need to order a protector |
| 01:11.06 | MohammadAG | class MyForm(QtGui.QMainWindow): |
| 01:11.06 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.06 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.06 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.06 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.13 | MohammadAG | is that right ^? |
| 01:11.32 | asj | I just flashed an n900, emmc, everything. Startup is very nice, asks for date/time, even tells you how to use the UI |
| 01:11.41 | rodald | i ordered one from Hong Kong and it takes 2 weeks to get to Guatemala |
| 01:12.01 | asj | I hard reset a symbian device and it says "Date: 01/01/2009" wtf is it m/d/y y/m/d? wtf, nice startup |
| 01:12.08 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:12.48 | timeless_mbp | asj: eh? |
| 01:13.19 | asj | timeless_mbp: it asks for the date and you don't know the format |
| 01:13.44 | timeless_mbp | asj: oh, that's a nokia hallmark |
| 01:13.50 | timeless_mbp | it's designed to ensure you screw up :) |
| 01:13.56 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:14.24 | Ken-Young | It just wants a very standard Star Trek Stardate - what't the problem? |
| 01:14.38 | timeless_mbp | Ken-Young: i don't think that's stardate format |
| 01:14.50 | rodald | so, if i change the format to .avi will it show? |
| 01:15.07 | Kegetys | proper system would ask to input unixtime |
| 01:16.33 | Ken-Young | Kegetys, You could used one of those scrolling Hildon picker widgets with all possible Unix times. |
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| 01:17.31 | Kegetys | :) |
| 01:18.44 | asj | Ken-Young: you would have to have it auto scroll to keep up |
| 01:18.57 | asj | actually I think the clock hands for setting the time is cool |
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| 01:19.25 | MohammadAG | is strace available for maemo? |
| 01:20.04 | MohammadAG | nvm |
| 01:21.23 | Macer | heh |
| 01:21.33 | pupnik | suggestion for nokia: 1800-2000mah and power-saving resistive for next meego device |
| 01:21.39 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 01:21.46 | MohammadAG | app runs on Ubuntu |
| 01:21.49 | pupnik | yes MohammadAG |
| 01:21.51 | MohammadAG | but segfaults on the N900 |
| 01:22.02 | MohammadAG | pupnik, I'm just ranting |
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| 01:22.58 | cehteh | MohammadAG: C/C++? |
| 01:23.06 | MohammadAG | pyqt... |
| 01:23.06 | pigeon | PolarFox: ah, that list i was thinking of is http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ and http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/ |
| 01:23.44 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# python ./hostmode.py |
| 01:23.44 | MohammadAG | Segmentation fault |
| 01:23.53 | asj | pupnik: might as well make it water proof too eh? |
| 01:24.31 | GAN900 | Man the Dell Streak is boring |
| 01:24.43 | MohammadAG | stat64("/usr/local/sbin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 01:24.43 | MohammadAG | stat64("/usr/local/bin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 01:24.43 | MohammadAG | stat64("/usr/sbin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 01:24.45 | MohammadAG | huh |
| 01:25.04 | asj | seriouly, we have a pad and a streak? |
| 01:25.13 | MohammadAG | rofl |
| 01:25.43 | GAN900 | Snapdragon, 5" 800x480 |
| 01:25.46 | GAN900 | Android |
| 01:25.49 | GAN900 | Borrrring |
| 01:27.42 | timeless_mbp | hi GAN900 |
| 01:27.49 | timeless_mbp | have you tried portrait mail? |
| 01:30.14 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54559 |
| 01:31.41 | pigeon | just double checking, is extras-devel or extras-testing more "experimental"? |
| 01:31.52 | njsf_ | extras-devel is more experimental |
| 01:31.55 | MohammadAG | -devel |
| 01:31.57 | pupnik | heck, i dunno if it would sell, but it might. a bit bigger device with wider/longer batt |
| 01:31.59 | pigeon | thank you. |
| 01:32.08 | MohammadAG | SDK repo is suicide |
| 01:32.32 | pigeon | which one is the sdk repo? |
| 01:32.46 | MohammadAG | the one in the SDK :) |
| 01:32.52 | MohammadAG | repository.maemo.org |
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| 01:33.28 | asj | pupnik: and with a waterproof verison it's a great boat anchor! ;) |
| 01:33.46 | Ken-Young | What is the purpose of "Maemo Select" ? How is it supposed to differ from the Ovi Store? |
| 01:35.25 | asj | Ken-Young: to configure customers, it's nokia after all ;0 |
| 01:35.51 | pupnik | asj: the point i am emphasizing is that larger is still pocketable but offers space for better screen, keyboard, and much more battery |
| 01:35.51 | njsf_ | asj: you meant confuse right ? |
| 01:35.52 | timeless_mbp | Ken-Young: ovi store requires an ovi account |
| 01:35.57 | timeless_mbp | maemo stuff does not |
| 01:36.10 | asj | njsf_: lol, yes |
| 01:36.14 | timeless_mbp | njsf_: see nokia confused asj :) |
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| 01:36.28 | Ken-Young | timeless, But why not just have it in Extras then? |
| 01:36.41 | njsf_ | Hmmm also it is because when the n900 first arrived Ovi Store for it was not there |
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| 01:37.48 | njsf_ | Ken-Young: I think because they wanted those apps as lure to the ovi store |
| 01:37.55 | njsf_ | where they can actually charge you |
| 01:38.06 | njsf_ | the HAM does not have any link to any account |
| 01:38.12 | Ken-Young | njsf_, But there are free apps in the Ovi Store too. |
| 01:38.53 | njsf_ | Ken-Young: yes... those are the lure, you are the fish, the paid apps are the hook ;) |
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| 01:39.09 | Ken-Young | njsf_, SO why have Maemo Select too? |
| 01:39.23 | njsf_ | Ken-Young: because at first there was no Ovi Store |
| 01:39.29 | njsf_ | it was just a coming soon page |
| 01:39.45 | njsf_ | but some apps were ready and people wanted them |
| 01:40.04 | njsf_ | also on select there are links also to some apps on extras in addition to Ovi |
| 01:40.10 | Ken-Young | njsf_, Isn't that what the Extras repository is for? |
| 01:40.20 | njsf_ | it was a way for Nokia to show _some_ apps at launch time |
| 01:40.42 | timeless_mbp | Ken-Young: have which where? |
| 01:40.48 | njsf_ | Ken-Young: I am not the de-confuser ;) |
| 01:41.18 | Ken-Young | njsf_, I was counting on you to reveal the grand design to me! |
| 01:41.53 | njsf_ | You assume there is one.... |
| 01:42.00 | timeless_mbp | Ken-Young: it *is* in extras |
| 01:42.08 | timeless_mbp | select is basically extra advertising |
| 01:42.19 | timeless_mbp | Ken-Young: try loading http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/hermes/ |
| 01:42.25 | Ken-Young | timeless, So everything in "Maemo Select" is in Extras too? |
| 01:42.29 | timeless_mbp | click the download link in a non maemo browser |
| 01:42.34 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 01:42.51 | njsf_ | No some are links free ovi apps |
| 01:42.56 | njsf_ | like firefox |
| 01:43.02 | pigeon | i wish hermes will prompt for what to sync, rather than silently syncing everything. |
| 01:43.04 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/skype/ |
| 01:43.12 | timeless_mbp | skype is preinstalled |
| 01:43.21 | Ken-Young | OK, I think I understand now. Thanks. |
| 01:43.23 | timeless_mbp | and has some totally messed up copy on the right side |
| 01:44.13 | timeless_mbp | you can also get firefox from mozilla.org |
| 01:44.20 | timeless_mbp | and it's probably better that way.. |
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| 01:49.52 | asj | and to be honest, as someone who looked at trying to get an app into the Ovi Store, for a single developer at home it's almost impossible |
| 01:50.45 | asj | the paperwork, gov't this, gov't that, $50 here, $200 there, wtf waste of time especially if it's oss/free or cheap anyways |
| 01:51.21 | GAN900 | asj, amen |
| 01:51.37 | GAN900 | asj, Nokia is retarded as far as shit like that goes. |
| 01:51.40 | GAN900 | Apple got it right |
| 01:51.56 | Ken-Young | It's amazing how many things Apple got right. |
| 01:52.19 | asj | Apple did, $99 once and you're golden. Though I don't like their sole control over selection, but that's apple and price you pay to dance with the devil |
| 01:52.40 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 01:52.55 | GAN900 | Not perfect, but liability insurance for Ovi is just INSANE. |
| 01:53.43 | Ken-Young | GAN900, THey make you purchase liability insurance to sell in the Ovi store? |
| 01:54.20 | GAN900 | Ken-Young, last time I checked. |
| 01:54.25 | asj | is that part of the ovi store registration fee? or separate? |
| 01:54.37 | Ken-Young | GAN900, I had no idea. That's nutty. |
| 01:55.07 | asj | Ken-Young: I'm amazed there's anything on the ovi store |
| 01:55.28 | Ken-Young | Angry BIrds. Gotta love 'em. |
| 01:55.32 | GAN900 | asj, well, there's not, really. |
| 01:55.40 | asj | Ken-Young: when I brought this up the answer I got is "we don't want apps from single/lone developers in a basement, it takes a dev team+UI team to make a good app" |
| 01:55.42 | GAN900 | asj, only from established non-indie dev houses. |
| 01:55.54 | GAN900 | asj, which is hilarious |
| 01:55.56 | Ken-Young | GAN900, I will not listen to people bad-mouthing Little Snow Pricess videos. |
| 01:56.11 | Ken-Young | s/Pricess/Princess/ |
| 01:56.12 | GAN900 | considering the shit Nokia and its dev partners routinely churns out |
| 01:56.30 | asj | GAN900: touche ;) |
| 01:56.48 | GAN900 | They don't even have UI people on Fremantle anymore |
| 01:58.08 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 01:58.19 | timeless_mbp | anyone here understand glade? |
| 01:59.04 | timeless_mbp | asj: it takes a dev team+UI team to make a truly *bad* app |
| 01:59.04 | asj | GAN900: well...freemantle is in maintenance mode <shrug> you'de hope they are on maemo6,e tc |
| 01:59.43 | timeless_mbp | you need 3 ui designers to talk past each-other to ensure as much inconsistency as possible |
| 02:01.43 | timeless_mbp | does anyone here understand how to control spacing in a tree using glade xml? |
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| 02:01.58 | asj | timeless_mbp: I don't think it's always true, but it certainly seems to work damn well |
| 02:05.31 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 02:05.39 | timeless_mbp | how the heck does one change the row height in a tree? :( |
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| 02:10.03 | Macer | omg land of the lost just cracked me up |
| 02:10.26 | Macer | the part where the t-rex throws a huge walnut at the cave wrapped up like a gift was a riot |
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| 02:15.30 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, no, what's the shortcut for portrait mail? |
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| 02:18.02 | timeless_mbp | ctrl-shift-r |
| 02:18.20 | timeless_mbp | but you'll want to install my strings otherwise you get unlocalized strings :) |
| 02:19.41 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 02:20.00 | timeless_mbp | is there anything which shows a picture with labels indicating how each glade property affects an object? |
| 02:20.10 | timeless_mbp | (glade) |
| 02:20.22 | pigeon | does anyone know how i could add my own "folder" with catorise? |
| 02:20.30 | opdf2 | app manager says I got no applications installed |
| 02:20.42 | LiraNuna | can anyone get kernel-power working with PR1.2? |
| 02:21.12 | opdf2 | error log: Problem opening /var/lib/apt/lists/download.maemo.nokia.com_frementle1.2_ovi_._Packages |
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| 02:21.20 | pigeon | oh, there's a list in the perl script of catorise... |
| 02:21.29 | LiraNuna | I can't get wifi and 3G to work - the device simply crashes when the connection is made |
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| 02:21.47 | timeless_mbp | lira: which device and which os version? |
| 02:22.05 | LiraNuna | N900, latest |
| 02:22.27 | LiraNuna | OTA update |
| 02:22.29 | timeless_mbp | sorry, could i have that in the form of a number? |
| 02:22.33 | timeless_mbp | 1.1.1? |
| 02:22.36 | LiraNuna | yes, hold on |
| 02:22.38 | timeless_mbp | 1.1? |
| 02:22.39 | LiraNuna | ah, 1.2 |
| 02:22.42 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 02:22.46 | LiraNuna | <LiraNuna> can anyone get kernel-power working with PR1.2? |
| 02:22.53 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 02:22.56 | timeless_mbp | i have access to a post 1.2 |
| 02:23.05 | LiraNuna | :O |
| 02:23.07 | timeless_mbp | so when people say "latest", I think "it's all relative" |
| 02:23.12 | LiraNuna | I see |
| 02:23.18 | LiraNuna | latest public release :) |
| 02:23.33 | timeless_mbp | sometimes that's kinda random |
| 02:23.44 | LiraNuna | latest US public release? |
| 02:23.45 | LiraNuna | :P |
| 02:23.46 | timeless_mbp | e.g, there's a virtualbox 3.2.0 |
| 02:23.53 | timeless_mbp | but the update check doesn't offer it |
| 02:24.01 | timeless_mbp | because it had a big memory leak |
| 02:24.03 | LiraNuna | interesting |
| 02:24.07 | hunt | anybody who could tell me which is the latest device of maemo? n900? or ? |
| 02:24.17 | LiraNuna | N900 at this moment |
| 02:24.24 | timeless_mbp | and supposedly there was a 1.2 in hong kong a long time before the real 1.2 |
| 02:24.26 | LiraNuna | unless Nokia is working on N910 or N1000 |
| 02:24.35 | timeless_mbp | i'm still not sure if that's true, or whether it was just a leak or something |
| 02:24.39 | LiraNuna | timeless_mbp, yeah, I've heard about that |
| 02:24.46 | timeless_mbp | but it's really a bad idea to make people guess |
| 02:24.58 | LiraNuna | true. but I DID specify the version |
| 02:25.24 | timeless_mbp | those two questions didn't appear related :) |
| 02:25.37 | LiraNuna | anyway, anyone experiencing similar problems? |
| 02:26.15 | LiraNuna | BANANA SPLIT |
| 02:26.15 | timeless_mbp | cherry on top? |
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| 02:28.29 | pigeon | hmm, starting to like catorise now... now that i know how to create my own catergories... |
| 02:29.05 | timeless_mbp | likes it w/o needing to do that |
| 02:36.44 | GeneralAntilles | I just wish I were better at predicting where people put packages. |
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| 02:46.37 | opdf2 | turns out I had extras twice. argh |
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| 05:19.48 | ruskie | hmm ever since updating to pr1.2 I keep getting insufficient power on usb port warning every so often even though it worked without a problem on the same ports since the start |
| 05:20.57 | cehteh | normal computer usb ports or cheap laptop? |
| 05:23.08 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5553906/british-airways-ad-implies-osama-bin-laden-is-a-frequent-flyer |
| 05:23.10 | RST38h | Priceless |
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| 05:30.30 | ruskie | cehteh, normal ;) |
| 05:30.38 | ruskie | cehteh, some even on a powered usb hub ;) |
| 05:30.52 | ruskie | cehteh, anyway it's just odd... it still seems to be charging though |
| 05:30.57 | cehteh | some? multiple devices? |
| 05:31.07 | cehteh | i never got that warning |
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| 05:31.25 | ruskie | erm sometimes |
| 05:33.01 | cehteh | cheap hardware is sometimes out of specs this includes cheap laptops/netbook and usb-hubs |
| 05:33.15 | cehteh | maybe the new firmware is just more picky about that |
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| 05:34.54 | ruskie | well the hub wasn't exactly cheap... 30+ eur I think |
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| 05:35.16 | ruskie | and it actually worked so far |
| 05:35.38 | cehteh | hehe i just removed the power cord from my hub and plugged the n900 in, and it charges without complaint (but accu was 100%full) |
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| 05:37.16 | ruskie | charges without complaint as well here but in the middle of charging... maybe while I'm trying to check for mesages or calls it will spew out a notice about it |
| 05:37.20 | ruskie | still seems to go on charging |
| 05:37.30 | ruskie | just says insufficient power to charge battery |
| 05:38.21 | cehteh | i never seen that |
| 05:43.10 | asj | I've seen that, also seen the message "Phone drawing more power than charger can provide" |
| 05:43.42 | ruskie | yeah |
| 05:43.48 | ruskie | generally both came at the same time |
| 05:43.52 | ruskie | atleast for me |
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| 05:47.18 | cehteh | maybe because i dont do number crunching with my phone :) |
| 05:47.34 | cehteh | well it can draw more power than a usb port can provide |
| 05:48.56 | Surfa | seen that too |
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| 05:49.20 | Surfa | but have you seen that with charger or usb-cable? |
| 05:50.01 | Surfa | usb-ports on computers tend to give so little power that in many cases it doesn't charge at all, even ow light your usage is, but simply prevent the phone from draining |
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| 05:52.22 | asj | Surfa: usb cable with a nearly dead phone, and I'm probably not quoteing the message correctly. 500ma is a lot of power to be consuming though... |
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| 05:53.33 | Surfa | asj, i don't know the details, but i think the currency is dependent on mother board too, but yep i don't know the ranges that computers provide |
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| 05:54.03 | Surfa | that's just a observation of te battery charge :) no maths included |
| 05:54.13 | asj | Surfa: I do know the details, but it's too involved to get into ;) |
| 05:54.48 | Surfa | no doubt, someone always knows more |
| 05:55.41 | Surfa | but anyway the usb-charging seems to be a lot slower/inefficient than with original charger, don't know why, don't really care :) |
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| 05:59.44 | asj | Surfa: charger is 1200ma |
| 05:59.59 | asj | so it's 2.something times faster |
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| 06:05.36 | cehteh | more than that |
| 06:06.05 | cehteh | mhm and mappero just crashed my device once again grr |
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| 06:07.52 | Surfa | mappero isn't quite stable yet |
| 06:08.07 | Surfa | i tried it an when the first turn came out, it crashed the whole phone |
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| 06:08.27 | Surfa | then i simply uninstalled it.. don't really need voice navigation that much |
| 06:11.21 | ShadowJK | sygic is lightweight (compared to ovi and other monstrosities) :D |
| 06:11.37 | cehteh | sygic? |
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| 06:11.54 | ShadowJK | sygic maps |
| 06:12.12 | cehteh | is that this stuff from ovi store? |
| 06:12.17 | cehteh | wants osm maps |
| 06:12.26 | cehteh | maep is ok too |
| 06:12.56 | ShadowJK | I think there's 7 day demo in ovi store |
| 06:13.06 | ShadowJK | bought it from sygic's own website |
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| 06:13.19 | cehteh | dont want |
| 06:13.46 | Surfa | well, i think it should be also in the ovi store shortly |
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| 06:16.16 | pigeon | is waiting for australia map for sygic. |
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| 06:22.39 | mece | heh. http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/06/01/nazi-food/ |
| 06:23.18 | thresh | never seen that yet |
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| 06:33.54 | ZogG | mece don't think it's label |
| 06:34.20 | ZogG | it's probably some nazi people just made those stickers and went to shop |
| 06:36.50 | ShadowJK | you can see same products in shelf without the sticker |
| 06:37.52 | thresh | ZogG: read the annotations |
| 06:38.30 | ZogG | oh |
| 06:38.31 | thresh | that was done by putinjugend |
| 06:38.32 | ZogG | read it |
| 06:38.45 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/02/novell_meego/ <- I just hope it won't be pushing mono |
| 06:38.47 | ZogG | i thought internets only for lulz picterus |
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| 06:38.58 | nocturnal | on the n900, what's the escape button? |
| 06:38.59 | ZogG | didn't thought you can actually read something |
| 06:39.07 | ZogG | nocturnal what for? |
| 06:39.19 | asj | ZogG: I assume vi |
| 06:39.26 | nocturnal | ZogG: i want to press esc to exit insert mode in vi. or maybe you know another way |
| 06:39.42 | ZogG | nope i don't |
| 06:39.49 | ZogG | ask asj |
| 06:39.52 | asj | nocturnal: terminal? beside ctrl, tab, etc |
| 06:39.56 | ZogG | he knows everything |
| 06:40.04 | mece | lol |
| 06:40.05 | nocturnal | oh man i'm so stupid |
| 06:40.06 | nocturnal | thanks asj |
| 06:40.15 | nocturnal | i even added a pipe to that bar but i guess it's too early in the morning |
| 06:40.20 | ZogG | told ya |
| 06:40.28 | asj | nocturnal: you can edit that bar? |
| 06:40.32 | nocturnal | yeah |
| 06:40.44 | nocturnal | i found it on the internets, google |
| 06:40.49 | nocturnal | something about running gconf |
| 06:40.51 | thresh | :) |
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| 06:41.03 | asj | sweet, the lack of | is a pita |
| 06:41.06 | nocturnal | truly |
| 06:41.18 | nocturnal | pipe is the most important character in the unix alphabet |
| 06:41.22 | nocturnal | or so the legend goes |
| 06:41.28 | thresh | right after > |
| 06:41.31 | nocturnal | =) |
| 06:41.43 | thresh | one can argue though |
| 06:42.01 | nocturnal | yeah i mean i'm sure \n holds a special place too |
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| 06:43.07 | mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=13405 |
| 06:43.07 | luke-jr | so Nokia/Intel claim they can guarantee MeeGo is patent-safe because of their own huge patent portfolios |
| 06:43.14 | luke-jr | what kind of logic is that? :/ |
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| 06:43.38 | thresh | lawyers |
| 06:43.42 | ShadowJK | it's the only one that works when absolutely everything is patented :) |
| 06:43.43 | ruskie | luke-jr, the logic of you try doing anything to our baby and you'll be turned into a bloody pulp |
| 06:44.05 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: only when Nokia/Intel can sub-license everything patented out |
| 06:44.10 | ShadowJK | it's like nuclear weapons, mutual assured destruction |
| 06:44.48 | ruskie | I'm guessing between Nokia and Intel they could probably buy most patent trolls out |
| 06:44.50 | asj | ShadowJK: more like mutually assured years of litigation |
| 06:45.03 | asj | MAYL, doesn't sound as good as mad |
| 06:45.48 | ShadowJK | asj: don't feed the trolls |
| 06:45.55 | luke-jr | ruskie: except Microsoft, which is afaik the only one actively attacking |
| 06:46.03 | ruskie | luke-jr, they aren't actually attacking |
| 06:46.05 | ruskie | just FUDing |
| 06:46.10 | ruskie | like they have been doing for years |
| 06:46.19 | luke-jr | ruskie: they're getting people to pay |
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| 06:46.31 | luke-jr | and it only takes one patent |
| 06:46.39 | luke-jr | IIRC Microsoft has one on vfat |
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| 06:46.46 | luke-jr | which if held to be valid would indeed cover Linux |
| 06:46.52 | ruskie | not really |
| 06:46.52 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: help |
| 06:46.59 | ruskie | it was workaround a while ago iirc |
| 06:47.07 | timeless_mbp | is trying to muck w/ zenity.ui |
| 06:47.10 | timeless_mbp | is stuck |
| 06:47.22 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: wtf is that and why do you ask me? |
| 06:47.27 | ruskie | suggests gtk-server but still hasn't bothered learning it himself |
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| 06:48.17 | timeless_mbp | i need someone who understands Glade .ui files |
| 06:48.21 | timeless_mbp | and i dunno |
| 06:48.32 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: boo GTK |
| 06:48.47 | luke-jr | throw that crap in the trash and write a Qt equivalent |
| 06:48.54 | timeless_mbp | view-source:http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/zenity.ui |
| 06:49.22 | timeless_mbp | sure, because a Qt equivalent is really going to work better on maemo4 and maemo5 |
| 06:49.33 | mece | is there a bug report for the jumpy buttons when answering a call in pr1.2 (portrait mode) |
| 06:49.36 | luke-jr | as if you/Nokia care about Maemo4 |
| 06:49.41 | timeless_mbp | and because i want to change my tiny app's download size to include the cost for Qt |
| 06:50.29 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i still have a package i should probably update for DocScrutinizer |
| 06:51.00 | mece | timeless_mbp, what's the problem with the file? |
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| 06:51.58 | ZogG | asj i have | |
| 06:51.59 | timeless_mbp | mece: i want to add padding between rows in the tree |
| 06:52.08 | ZogG | asj, you can change keyboard maps |
| 06:52.21 | timeless_mbp | and make the buttons taller or whatever so they are more fingerable |
| 06:52.36 | ZogG | as well i have more combinations like fn+shift+z (it works only for certain keys) |
| 06:52.58 | mece | timeless_mbp, did you try to modify the spacing? |
| 06:53.37 | ZogG | so if i use SDK Nokia, and i add object - can i jump to code straight to object or i need to write it in as well? |
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| 06:54.16 | timeless_mbp | i did |
| 06:54.32 | timeless_mbp | but i can't really figure out how to get it right |
| 06:55.07 | mece | timeless_mbp, right, in the tree-view? |
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| 06:56.03 | timeless_mbp | mece: well, i tried 'ypad' or something |
| 06:56.12 | timeless_mbp | and a few other things, but i can't figure out how to make it work |
| 06:56.26 | timeless_mbp | i'd rather not understand this and have someone just give me a version of the file that works :) |
| 06:56.33 | timeless_mbp | i can give you a testcase app |
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| 06:58.43 | mece | timeless_mbp, sorry I don't have time to get into it that much right now. for some reason I actually have some work to do while at work today :/ |
| 06:59.21 | timeless_mbp | mece: i'm unlikely to be able to do much about this for a while |
| 06:59.28 | frals | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/02/2317241 eu = awesome, right? |
| 06:59.32 | timeless_mbp | so if you magically do it over the weekend, that's ok too |
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| 07:18.40 | viliny_ | FYI |
| 07:18.53 | viliny_ | if you put your phone in the freezer and forget it there, it won't start again after a while |
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| 07:20.57 | Surfa | hmm, that's surprising, because I've seen many phones working in a -20 conditions.. slowly, but working anyway |
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| 07:23.06 | savant42 | newbie question, does pr1.2 still have the power save mode? |
| 07:23.23 | viliny_ | what i ment to say was... heres the thing in its entirety -> I have a mugen battery and they tell me that you should boot it at 18 celsius to get more accurate readings from the battery. So far this seems to be true... so what i did was i put the whole phone in the freezer as opposed to what i usually just do - put the battery in the freezer. Went out for a smoke and forgot the phone there.... found it later and it was still running but it couldn't find the |
| 07:23.23 | viliny_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:24.04 | viliny_ | think my freezer reaches around -30 |
| 07:24.50 | Surfa | i think optimal freezer temperature is around -20 :) |
| 07:24.55 | Surfa | rest is waste of energy |
| 07:25.00 | viliny_ | true that |
| 07:25.10 | viliny_ | me in a nutshell, overdo everything ;P |
| 07:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | zenity, woohoo |
| 07:25.38 | Surfa | but ok, i think that's expected.. below zero celcius conditions are very usual |
| 07:25.52 | Surfa | savant42, i don't understand the question |
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| 07:26.47 | savant42 | Surfa: I see lots of references to PSM and power saving options for wifi causing issues with openssh to the device, in my case an n900 |
| 07:26.58 | savant42 | it used to work, now it doesnt; I've since reflashed with pr1.2 |
| 07:27.15 | savant42 | wondering if pr1.2 has the powersaving options everyone is talking about, so I can disable them, see if that helps |
| 07:27.38 | mece | savant42, which powersaving options are those? |
| 07:28.00 | savant42 | I read there were power saving options for the wifi card, but not sure if that's for other devices or older builds |
| 07:28.06 | Surfa | well, i highly doubt you want to adjust any power saving methods on the phone :) |
| 07:28.43 | mece | savant42, if you mean sr_vdd1/2_autocomp then no, pr1.2 doesn't have that enabled. |
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| 07:29.44 | savant42 | Any reason you can think of that I can ssh FROM the phone to my linux server/mac but not the other way around? OpenSSHD is installed from the stable repsotiory |
| 07:30.06 | savant42 | ps aux|grep ssh shows /usr/bin/sshd -D running |
| 07:30.18 | Surfa | savant42, your operator blocks incoming tcp connections? or are you using wlan? |
| 07:30.27 | savant42 | wlan on local network |
| 07:30.44 | savant42 | in truth I dont even have a sim in there, it's running purely as a tablet, not a phone |
| 07:30.52 | mece | savant42, powersaving wlan. |
| 07:30.56 | savant42 | :| |
| 07:31.02 | mece | savant42, just ping the machine fron n900. |
| 07:31.06 | mece | from |
| 07:31.12 | frals | Settings -> Internet connections > Connections > Edit the WLAN -> step through the guide until you get to 'advanced', tap it, 3rd tab from the left have 'power saving mode' |
| 07:31.21 | savant42 | ah, ok |
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| 07:32.58 | savant42 | if this works my next kid will be named Frals Mece |
| 07:33.07 | mece | LOL |
| 07:33.07 | savant42 | and Frals Mece it is!!!! |
| 07:33.12 | savant42 | I could kiss you both, but I won't |
| 07:33.13 | mece | hahahhaa |
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| 07:33.59 | savant42 | ok, since you're on a roll, any idea why the speaker will play misc. audio, like the nokia startup sound, and the keyboard clicks, but not play any audio at all in the media player? I'm only using the stock mp3s that are on there, no downloads, so no codec issues |
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| 07:34.48 | mece | savant42, fm transmitter on perhaps? |
| 07:34.55 | savant42 | it's disabled, should it not be? |
| 07:35.14 | mece | oh wait that would move all sounds to fm... eh no it shouldn't be. So that's not the problem |
| 07:35.43 | savant42 | I didn't reflash the emmc, so there might be some junk in there? But I've never tweaked the codecs |
| 07:36.02 | mece | hmm. |
| 07:36.29 | savant42 | ultimately I don't care much, since it's not my primary device, but issues like this get my goat |
| 07:36.39 | mece | my media player haven't had any problems so I really have no idea. |
| 07:36.47 | savant42 | that's what everyone says :\ |
| 07:37.03 | mece | savant42, does it play sound in videos? |
| 07:37.05 | savant42 | if I couldnt hear the stupid nokia post sound I'd suspect the speaker, or the volume being off |
| 07:37.53 | savant42 | hmm, murphy's law, the video has audio |
| 07:38.20 | savant42 | and now the mp3s do |
| 07:38.22 | savant42 | wth?? |
| 07:38.28 | savant42 | Frals Mece does it again!!!! |
| 07:38.32 | savant42 | you must just be magic |
| 07:38.38 | mece | ah.. my magical presence is felt even over the interwebs :D |
| 07:38.41 | savant42 | that's all I can attribute it to |
| 07:38.47 | mece | LOL |
| 07:38.53 | savant42 | I won't question it |
| 07:39.04 | savant42 | but if this problem persists when I wake up, Im going to lurk in this channel |
| 07:39.10 | savant42 | maybe set up an irc bot, just in case |
| 07:39.12 | mece | hehee |
| 07:39.15 | savant42 | so I can be near your aura |
| 07:40.06 | savant42 | ok, well that's all I really have. What's your rootfs utilization looking like? |
| 07:40.10 | mece | hey ok what should the link be like for the bugtracker in packages when the tracker is in bugs.maemo.org? I mean to what page should I point the bugtracker? |
| 07:40.16 | savant42 | Mine is at ~ 50%, I'd ;like it to be lower |
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| 07:40.51 | mece | savant42, yoy have 50% free rootfs? |
| 07:40.56 | savant42 | no, 42 |
| 07:41.01 | mece | s/yoy/you/ |
| 07:41.03 | savant42 | 42% free |
| 07:41.14 | mece | savant42, that's about right. |
| 07:41.29 | savant42 | ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to fubar my fs by having too much stuff in there |
| 07:41.47 | savant42 | I've now owned this phone for 30 hours or so and I'm pretty impressed |
| 07:42.01 | mece | savant42, if you're over 20Mb free I'd say it's fine. |
| 07:42.08 | savant42 | ok, awesome |
| 07:42.19 | savant42 | and with that, I'll stop hogging the chat buffer. Thanks for your time! |
| 07:42.28 | mece | savant42, unused space there is space used somewhere on a slower chip. |
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| 07:49.03 | timeless_mbp | mece: one sec |
| 07:49.58 | timeless_mbp | mece: i'd suggest https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=prod:%22Advanced+Backlight%22 |
| 07:50.06 | timeless_mbp | where Advanced+Backlight is your product |
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| 07:50.21 | mece | timeless_mbp, found this: https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=qlister |
| 07:50.35 | timeless_mbp | actually hold on |
| 07:50.38 | mece | is PySide in extras btw? |
| 07:50.41 | timeless_mbp | wonders if bugzilla is quasi stupid |
| 07:50.53 | mece | timeless_mbp, heee. |
| 07:51.06 | timeless_mbp | mece: so, ... |
| 07:51.39 | timeless_mbp | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=MXR |
| 07:51.47 | timeless_mbp | oops |
| 07:52.02 | timeless_mbp | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Webtools&component=MXR |
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| 07:52.19 | timeless_mbp | note how at the bottom of that page there's a link 'File a new bug in the "Webtools" product' ? |
| 07:52.42 | pupnik | my xterm suddenly switched to a non-console font |
| 07:52.52 | timeless_mbp | yeah, sorry, use buglist.cgi?product=<...> |
| 07:52.55 | pupnik | stuck that way :( |
| 07:53.13 | timeless_mbp | mece: in a newer version of bugzilla that will give you the 'File a new bug' link |
| 07:53.23 | timeless_mbp | whereas quicksearch isn't smart enough to do that :( |
| 07:53.49 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: what's a non console font? |
| 07:54.03 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: hope you at least are aware of my suggestion for a quick javascript activation via button/keycombo affecting one-page-only |
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| 07:54.20 | mece | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.32 | pupnik | looks like "sans" and it is being forced to monospace .. |
| 07:54.41 | timeless_mbp | mece: anyway, buglist.cgi?product= is the best choice |
| 07:55.06 | pupnik | Nokia Smiley |
| 07:55.07 | mece | timeless_mbp, selvä. Will do that then. |
| 07:55.19 | timeless_mbp | if your product is successful, you don't want people filing duplicates of already reported issues |
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| 07:55.32 | timeless_mbp | already/previously/ |
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| 07:58.45 | mece | Khertan, ping |
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| 08:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | back to sleepmode - nice suggestion |
| 08:12.53 | mece | hehe. |
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| 08:13.11 | mece | anyone here have a good suggestion how to get finger scrolling inside a QPlainTextEdit? |
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| 08:17.51 | ZogG | mece awesome_finger_scrolling = true; |
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| 08:27.12 | mece | ZogG, apparently this doesn't work in pyside.. |
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| 08:31.15 | ZogG | mece have you tried? |
| 08:31.36 | mece | ZogG, damn. found the prob. It only works in PyQt4 and not in PySide for some reason. |
| 08:31.53 | mece | this is how: |
| 08:31.53 | mece | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:31.56 | Scelt | ~seen ScriptFanix |
| 08:31.58 | infobot | scriptfanix is currently on #maemo (1d 22h 41m 4s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1d 22h 8m 37s, last said: 'SpeedEvil: the SD is 1 week old'. |
| 08:32.03 | Scelt | lolts |
| 08:32.04 | Scelt | ~seen Scelt |
| 08:32.05 | infobot | scelt is currently on #maemo (2d 9h 18m 26s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Scelt'. |
| 08:32.33 | crashanddie | Scelt: that'll be enough, you can also PM the bot |
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| 08:33.03 | Scelt | crashanddie: the first was typo. don't get mad mister mister |
| 08:33.37 | crashanddie | Scelt: I don't care whether it's a typo or not, you're highlighting a lot of people on the channel for no reason. Thanks for stopping. |
| 08:34.12 | Scelt | crashanddie: I only highlighted myself on purpose |
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| 08:35.23 | HtheB | o/ |
| 08:35.50 | HtheB | does anyone know the command to get back to stock kernel |
| 08:36.03 | HtheB | i installed the enhanced kernel in the repos |
| 08:36.12 | woglinde | read the wiki |
| 08:36.22 | woglinde | there is all decscribed |
| 08:36.29 | HtheB | im on n900 |
| 08:36.32 | HtheB | 2g :( |
| 08:36.32 | ScriptFanix | open eyes, looks at Scelt, closes eyes |
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| 08:36.48 | HtheB | i know |
| 08:36.51 | HtheB | but my conn is slow |
| 08:36.53 | ZogG | meego tablet is awesome |
| 08:36.54 | phellarv | HtheB: Under system there is a "Deinstall kernel-...." |
| 08:36.57 | HtheB | thats why i asked overhere |
| 08:37.04 | ZogG | Steve is pissed probably |
| 08:37.14 | HtheB | it keeps saying error restoring nokia kernel |
| 08:37.20 | HtheB | if i run the deinstall |
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| 08:38.17 | mece | hmm can one put full path in .desktop files? |
| 08:38.48 | phellarv | HtheB: Instructions: |
| 08:38.58 | phellarv | sudo gainroot |
| 08:38.58 | phellarv | apt-get install --reinstall -y kernel kernel-flasher |
| 08:39.02 | phellarv | apt-get remove -y kernel-power kernel-power-modules |
| 08:39.03 | HtheB | thnx |
| 08:39.03 | ZogG | ~seen Mek |
| 08:39.04 | infobot | mek is currently on #gsoc (5d 15h 47m 57s) #maemo (5d 15h 47m 57s) #meego (5d 15h 47m 57s), last said: 'any other tax forms is your own business'. |
| 08:39.29 | phellarv | 3rd step you ONLY do if 2nd step is successful |
| 08:39.39 | HtheB | yeah :) for sure |
| 08:39.49 | HtheB | else i need to flash the kernel :p |
| 08:39.54 | phellarv | \o/ |
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| 08:39.57 | HtheB | but im not at home lol |
| 08:40.07 | HtheB | found some aweful bug on the kernel app |
| 08:40.08 | HtheB | :/ |
| 08:40.16 | HtheB | whenever i press the power button |
| 08:40.24 | HtheB | it stops my audio for 2secs |
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| 08:41.53 | timeless_mbp | "kernel app" ?? |
| 08:42.26 | HtheB | the enhanced kernel |
| 08:42.39 | HtheB | it's in the repos |
| 08:42.55 | woglinde | hi timeless |
| 08:43.02 | HtheB | w8, rebooting |
| 08:43.10 | HtheB | ill tell if it worked :p |
| 08:43.14 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 08:43.19 | HtheB | remember the bug i whined yesterday? |
| 08:43.22 | HtheB | :p |
| 08:43.37 | HtheB | the sound bug when pressing power button |
| 08:43.57 | HtheB | found out it's the enhanced kernel that f*cks it up |
| 08:43.58 | HtheB | :( |
| 08:44.02 | HtheB | donno why :/ |
| 08:44.12 | HtheB | anyway, brb |
| 08:44.17 | HtheB | (hopefully :D) |
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| 08:48.59 | HtheB | thanks again |
| 08:49.03 | HtheB | worked great |
| 08:49.24 | HtheB | though, now I don't have an overclocked device anymore =( |
| 08:50.25 | HtheB | ping .... |
| 08:50.51 | t-tan | HtheB: what sound bug? |
| 08:50.58 | woglinde | HtheB you cann't have pigs and cows together |
| 08:51.00 | woglinde | thats life |
| 08:51.09 | HtheB | heh |
| 08:51.13 | HtheB | t-tan |
| 08:51.24 | HtheB | I installed the enhanced kernel in the repos |
| 08:51.29 | HtheB | version 23 |
| 08:51.37 | HtheB | worked great on my 1.1.1 |
| 08:51.54 | t-tan | 23=transition package to kernel-power v24 |
| 08:51.55 | HtheB | but on 1.2 it stops (silences) the sound for 2-3 secs |
| 08:52.21 | t-tan | I'm running v37 with the PR1.2 patches |
| 08:52.31 | t-tan | no problem here (from extras-testing) |
| 08:52.38 | HtheB | huh |
| 08:52.46 | HtheB | :/ |
| 08:52.47 | t-tan | should appear in extras in 3 days |
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| 08:53.01 | HtheB | i have extras dev and testing enabled |
| 08:53.06 | HtheB | cant see it over here |
| 08:53.11 | HtheB | weird :/ |
| 08:53.22 | HtheB | let me see again |
| 08:53.39 | HtheB | damn.. I still have only 2g |
| 08:53.39 | woglinde | apt-get update |
| 08:53.55 | HtheB | would take a lot till the update has been made =( |
| 08:53.57 | HtheB | lol |
| 08:54.09 | woglinde | ????? |
| 08:54.25 | t-tan | and even longer to download the 5mb of the kernel |
| 08:54.38 | HtheB | :D |
| 08:54.49 | t-tan | v23 never made it to extras |
| 08:54.50 | HtheB | 3,5G! |
| 08:55.10 | HtheB | quickly updates |
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| 08:57.34 | HtheB | ok |
| 08:57.46 | HtheB | power off and on again |
| 08:57.50 | HtheB | brb |
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| 09:08.04 | HtheB | argg |
| 09:08.17 | HtheB | same issue |
| 09:08.18 | HtheB | :( |
| 09:08.18 | HtheB | t-tan |
| 09:08.27 | HtheB | even with v37 |
| 09:08.47 | HtheB | whenver I press power, it will silence the audio for 2-3 secs |
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| 09:09.38 | t-tan | I cannot reproduce it. what audio? mp3 player? |
| 09:09.57 | HtheB | yeah |
| 09:10.01 | HtheB | I made a video |
| 09:10.20 | mece | yay you |
| 09:10.22 | HtheB | yesterday night |
| 09:10.24 | HtheB | 3gp quality :( |
| 09:10.39 | HtheB | since I only have my Nokia 6230 |
| 09:10.49 | HtheB | let me check the link for u |
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| 09:11.17 | t-tan | not necessary. I can image how it mutes for a few seconds |
| 09:11.26 | t-tan | but I'd like to reproduce it |
| 09:11.48 | t-tan | it could be some widget you have installed |
| 09:12.01 | t-tan | esp. if you have -devel enabled |
| 09:12.04 | HtheB | www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp |
| 09:12.09 | HtheB | hmmm |
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| 09:12.25 | HtheB | i dont have alot of widgets tbh |
| 09:12.32 | HtheB | jo MohammedAG |
| 09:12.47 | HtheB | found the problem that causes the sound bug |
| 09:12.51 | HtheB | well.. partially |
| 09:12.52 | t-tan | morning MohammadAG |
| 09:13.29 | HtheB | very weird that I'm the only one |
| 09:13.32 | MohammadAG | hey HtheB |
| 09:13.35 | HtheB | that haves this prob |
| 09:13.37 | MohammadAG | morning t-tan, any progress? |
| 09:13.41 | t-tan | HtheB: sudden hearing loss? :) |
| 09:13.43 | MohammadAG | damn xchat |
| 09:13.48 | vldcnst | I was wondering, how big would a cable with an attached battery and a charging chip would be? Does something like this exist? For the USB OTG. |
| 09:14.02 | HtheB | t-tan, yeah |
| 09:14.06 | t-tan | MohammadAG: I posted everything in the thread |
| 09:14.22 | MohammadAG | t-tan, and I replied, you're slow :P |
| 09:14.23 | vldcnst | You could have something that draws 200mA and charges the battery or something |
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| 09:15.04 | MohammadAG | t-tan, another thing |
| 09:15.13 | MohammadAG | don't link to built kernels for the time |
| 09:15.42 | MohammadAG | it will cause us more problems with users asking why (when) it bricked their devices |
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| 09:15.51 | t-tan | MohammadAG: the first noob is already asking in the thread :) |
| 09:15.57 | HtheB | rofl |
| 09:16.24 | MohammadAG | t-tan, I know xD |
| 09:16.31 | HtheB | speaking of noobs |
| 09:16.36 | HtheB | where is noobmonk3y |
| 09:16.40 | HtheB | heh |
| 09:16.45 | t-tan | MohammadAG: it tried all timeouts for plugging in the device: 100ms down to 1ns :) |
| 09:16.49 | MohammadAG | he's away for a couple of days afaik |
| 09:16.58 | MohammadAG | t-tan, maybe your device has a defect then ;) |
| 09:17.21 | t-tan | MohammadAG: your device has a positive defect |
| 09:17.47 | MohammadAG | well that's something to be thankful for |
| 09:17.55 | HtheB | =( |
| 09:18.00 | t-tan | MohammadAG: it's very hospitable |
| 09:18.02 | HtheB | stupid power button |
| 09:18.02 | MohammadAG | blue_led was able to reproduce, I think it's YOUR device :P |
| 09:18.34 | MohammadAG | t-tan, HOSTpitable (see what I did there? :P) |
| 09:19.08 | t-tan | my device is a parasite :( |
| 09:20.23 | t-tan | MohammadAG: AFAIK he uses a self-powered hub? |
| 09:20.38 | HtheB | t-tan, how can I find out (a quicker way then deleting all my apps) what could cause my prob |
| 09:20.39 | MohammadAG | t-tan, who? |
| 09:20.47 | MohammadAG | oh, blue_led |
| 09:20.55 | MohammadAG | not sure, iirc nope, he didn't use it |
| 09:21.04 | MohammadAG | and DocScrutinizer postponed my execution :P |
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| 09:21.16 | HtheB | btw, seems that Nokia announced their first double sim phone |
| 09:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | there you are, lazy.. |
| 09:21.39 | MohammadAG | IT'S ALIVE! |
| 09:21.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 09:21.55 | HtheB | and a bike charger, haha |
| 09:22.56 | Ikarus | HtheB: oh ? |
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| 09:23.03 | Ikarus | dual sim, why would they ? |
| 09:23.09 | jacekowski | i can't imagine real use case for dual sim phone |
| 09:23.12 | tekojo | HtheB: bike charger is a big thing |
| 09:23.21 | Ikarus | bike charger is useless |
| 09:23.34 | tekojo | India, China ... |
| 09:23.35 | t-tan | morning DocScrutinizer, do you want to act as a USB host? |
| 09:23.48 | tekojo | how many bikes, how many cars, how many electricity plugs |
| 09:23.54 | jacekowski | a lot |
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| 09:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: err, of course.... not? |
| 09:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | moinmoin |
| 09:24.48 | HtheB | dual sim |
| 09:24.59 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: or your device? mine seems to be not very hostpitable :( |
| 09:25.11 | HtheB | 2 networks |
| 09:25.11 | HtheB | :p |
| 09:25.11 | HtheB | 1 is hot swappable \o/ |
| 09:25.32 | HtheB | conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/03/nokia-c1-unleashed-with-dual-sim-functionality-photo-gallery |
| 09:25.38 | t-tan | HtheB: so you play a regular mp3 file with media player, then you press the power button? |
| 09:25.51 | HtheB | t-tan: exactly |
| 09:26.01 | HtheB | even if my screen is locked |
| 09:26.07 | HtheB | as u could see in the vid |
| 09:26.42 | HtheB | if I click the dropdown many quickly away, itk continues again with the music |
| 09:26.49 | HtheB | many = menu |
| 09:27.04 | HtheB | itk = it |
| 09:27.22 | HtheB | is failing at typing |
| 09:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: I did a first test yesterday |
| 09:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | with a hub |
| 09:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | same result as you |
| 09:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | blue_led has confirmed |
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| 09:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | see tmo |
| 09:27.59 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: good, my device as broken as yours |
| 09:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's a timing and peripheral issue |
| 09:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | as well as kernel absolutely not fixed yet |
| 09:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | still OTG crap |
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| 09:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | we need to force sw state engine into right mode |
| 09:29.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's still an improvement |
| 09:29.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you couldn't reproduce? :S |
| 09:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | not in the one test I did so far |
| 09:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | I've sent you the pastebin URL of the rather verbose log |
| 09:30.15 | MohammadAG | <t-tan> morning DocScrutinizer, do you want to act as a USB host? |
| 09:30.16 | MohammadAG | http://xkcd.com/644/ |
| 09:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 09:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | It's unclear whether that's a A or B or AB type |
| 09:31.09 | BCMM | curse my slow internet connect, that's the "usb port in arm" that i was gonna find and post, right? |
| 09:31.18 | t-tan | MohammadAG: :) Doc, do you have male or female implant? |
| 09:31.41 | woglinde | lol |
| 09:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | guess! :-P |
| 09:31.57 | BCMM | makes this on-topic by mentioning using mobilehotspot on an n900 to survive the past few days of very slow ADSL |
| 09:33.24 | HtheB | so... |
| 09:33.32 | HtheB | what can I do t-tan :p |
| 09:33.56 | zomg | Is there an "idiot's guide to make your stuff work in maemo autobuilder" somewhere? |
| 09:33.59 | MohammadAG | get me a USB stinger |
| 09:34.16 | MohammadAG | zomg, wiki, it's called Uploading to Extras-devel afaik |
| 09:34.33 | zomg | yeah I read that :D |
| 09:34.40 | mece | halp! setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) doesn't do it for me with PyQt for some reason.. |
| 09:34.51 | zomg | and my debian/rules etc. are all according to the wiki articles |
| 09:35.02 | zomg | but the build is still failing on the autobuild thing |
| 09:36.30 | t-tan | HtheB: do you have smartreflex enabled? |
| 09:37.58 | HtheB | smart reflex? |
| 09:38.26 | t-tan | HtheB: did you overclock or change any of the power settings? |
| 09:39.14 | HtheB | yeah |
| 09:39.27 | HtheB | set it to 900mhz |
| 09:39.30 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: when you mean blue_led has confirmed: do you mean exactly with MohammadAG's method? |
| 09:39.32 | HtheB | pmconfig |
| 09:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like. He's fuzzy and terse like always |
| 09:40.04 | MohammadAG | t-tan, accept the truth, your device is borked |
| 09:40.09 | t-tan | ah, never touch pmconfig! http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Upgrade_from_older_versions_.28.3C_maemo24.29 |
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| 09:40.26 | HtheB | owh |
| 09:40.26 | t-tan | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer's too :) |
| 09:40.34 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=697331#post697331 |
| 09:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: OC X-/ :-P |
| 09:40.44 | MohammadAG | t-tan, we already know he broke it |
| 09:40.48 | HtheB | t-tan |
| 09:40.54 | MohammadAG | can the N900 even shake a damn bed? |
| 09:41.07 | MohammadAG | lol what was that ^ about |
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| 09:41.47 | pupnik | the best alarm sound is the "Low Battery" sound |
| 09:41.47 | HtheB | t-tan |
| 09:41.50 | HtheB | can you give the link again :) |
| 09:41.52 | HtheB | im on my laptop now |
| 09:42.00 | pupnik | wakes me up every time |
| 09:42.00 | t-tan | HtheB: did you N900 just self-destruct? |
| 09:42.10 | MohammadAG | for future reference |
| 09:42.11 | MohammadAG | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 09:42.14 | HtheB | haha xD |
| 09:42.18 | HtheB | why self-destruct xD? |
| 09:42.40 | HtheB | thnx MohammadAG |
| 09:42.46 | t-tan | when you press the power-button too often... |
| 09:43.04 | MohammadAG | it locks the screen |
| 09:43.05 | MohammadAG | HA! |
| 09:43.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, t-tan http://i49.tinypic.com/a2c5dd.jpg |
| 09:43.27 | HtheB | double press power button locks the screen |
| 09:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: quoting /topic ? X-P |
| 09:43.49 | HtheB | 1 thing t-tan |
| 09:44.03 | HtheB | when my screen rotates from landscape<->portrait mode |
| 09:44.09 | HtheB | it will also kill the sound for 2 secs |
| 09:44.18 | t-tan | MohammadAG: cool, now we have GUI, just need to get hostmode working :) |
| 09:44.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yep :D |
| 09:44.26 | MohammadAG | LOL t-tan it works for me |
| 09:44.27 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i have my beagleboard now |
| 09:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: too late :-P Nah, highly welcome |
| 09:45.18 | MohammadAG | Note to self, never mix GTK and Qt |
| 09:45.25 | MohammadAG | it won't end well |
| 09:45.26 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so you have working usb? |
| 09:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, that GUI is just a nicer QueenBeecon |
| 09:45.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've noticed small problem with default latest angstrom kernel |
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| 09:46.05 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it loads g_cdc by default, and unloading it and loading g_ether doesn't work |
| 09:46.13 | FIQ | hi |
| 09:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 09:46.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, don't know what that one is :) |
| 09:46.21 | FIQ | is there a front camera on N900? |
| 09:46.22 | jacekowski | well, it loads but nothing happens |
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| 09:46.26 | jacekowski | FIQ: yes |
| 09:46.26 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 09:46.29 | FIQ | and if yes, how to activate it? |
| 09:46.37 | jacekowski | FIQ: there is no software for it |
| 09:46.37 | MohammadAG | with magic |
| 09:46.40 | FIQ | in camera application i mean |
| 09:46.45 | MohammadAG | you can't |
| 09:46.46 | jacekowski | FIQ: you can't |
| 09:46.48 | FIQ | ... >.> |
| 09:46.55 | FIQ | i need it. :D |
| 09:46.56 | t-tan | jacekowski: angstrom kernel? |
| 09:46.57 | MohammadAG | use HealthCheck, it can save an image from it |
| 09:46.59 | jacekowski | FIQ: only skype and jabber video calls use it at the moment |
| 09:47.06 | jacekowski | t-tan: beagle board distro |
| 09:47.12 | vldcnst | Mplayer too. |
| 09:47.35 | HtheB | Mirror |
| 09:47.36 | HtheB | :p |
| 09:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and mirror app, and obviously HC |
| 09:47.41 | t-tan | jacekowski: ok, offtopic. maybe my g_ether patch helps? |
| 09:47.44 | HtheB | the mirror app will give you a greenish screen though |
| 09:47.47 | HtheB | with PR1.2 |
| 09:48.18 | jacekowski | t-tan: well, unloading g_cdc and loading it back doesn't work as well |
| 09:48.35 | HtheB | t-tan, is there some code added when u press the power button!? O_o |
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| 09:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so you mean, basically hostmode is borked on bb? |
| 09:49.00 | jacekowski | it's not a host mode |
| 09:49.06 | HtheB | (sorry to keep you from other topics) |
| 09:49.12 | jacekowski | it's slave/client/whatever |
| 09:49.16 | jacekowski | over otg port |
| 09:49.26 | jacekowski | but it's probably kernel or maybe windows have some issues |
| 09:49.30 | t-tan | jacekowski: I see. then maybe this is unrelated https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/gethercharge.diff;h=6fae8d718a0f0dd0071bda2f50ec2810cb65c1b4;hb=HEAD |
| 09:49.38 | MohammadAG | bangs head on desk |
| 09:49.53 | MohammadAG | how the fsck does a pyQt app segfault |
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| 09:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 09:50.16 | woglinde | MohammadAG haha |
| 09:50.23 | HtheB | wtf |
| 09:50.24 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: python sucks |
| 09:50.28 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: simple |
| 09:50.31 | t-tan | HtheB: nothing. I haven't touched anything related to power keys |
| 09:50.58 | Lynoure | MohammadAG: by it causing some of the non-python parts to segfault. |
| 09:51.10 | MohammadAG | Lynoure, no non-python parts used |
| 09:51.12 | t-tan | HtheB: I suspect it's some widget/menu item that interferes with pulseaudio |
| 09:51.17 | pigeon | is it possible to send sms via command line? |
| 09:51.27 | MohammadAG | unless Qt is actually C++ in python |
| 09:51.32 | Lynoure | MohammadAG: I'm not that familiar with PyQt... there is no actual Qt there, then? |
| 09:51.35 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 09:51.47 | HtheB | 'll check it out again :) |
| 09:51.49 | HtheB | thnx again |
| 09:51.49 | MohammadAG | only |
| 09:51.49 | HtheB | brb |
| 09:51.50 | Lynoure | MohammadAG: it's Qt fully reimplemented in python? |
| 09:51.50 | MohammadAG | if __name__ == "__main__": |
| 09:51.50 | MohammadAG | app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) |
| 09:51.50 | MohammadAG | MainWindow = QtGui.QMainWindow() |
| 09:51.50 | MohammadAG | ui = Ui_MainWindow() |
| 09:51.50 | MohammadAG | ui.setupUi(MainWindow) |
| 09:51.52 | MohammadAG | MainWindow.show() |
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| 09:51.54 | MohammadAG | sys.exit(app.exec_()) |
| 09:51.59 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 09:52.00 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 09:52.00 | SpeedEvil | pyqt has a shim binary layer doesn't it? |
| 09:52.01 | dneary | Are bugzilla & the wiki down? |
| 09:52.11 | MohammadAG | woglinde, it's just a few lines |
| 09:52.12 | t-tan | pyQt is a python wrapper for C++ Qt |
| 09:52.22 | Lynoure | t-tan: yes, that was my impression. |
| 09:53.06 | t-tan | if possible, one should use pyside, anyway |
| 09:56.21 | Lynoure | To me the "wtf" part was "what's surprising with segfaults being possible?" :) |
| 09:56.50 | MohammadAG | it's python |
| 09:56.55 | MohammadAG | t-tan, eww |
| 09:57.17 | MohammadAG | is there something similar to gtk.Dialog in Qt |
| 09:58.28 | t-tan | python has never segfaulted for me, it was always a broken external lib |
| 09:59.39 | Lynoure | MohammadAG: pyqt is python, but it uses qt, which is not python -> segfaults well possible if there is a bug in pyqt or in qt or some black magic in the air |
| 10:00.21 | dneary | Anyone able tp load bz or wiki pages? |
| 10:00.25 | joga | a friend of mine just got herself an n900 and can't install maep because of some 'incompatibility' thing? what could that mean? |
| 10:00.32 | joga | (I haven't seen the error myself) |
| 10:01.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so, how is your usb host going? |
| 10:01.15 | joga | it's updated to 1.2 and so on...probably with finnish language selected |
| 10:01.16 | MohammadAG | hmm, importing hildon also borks it |
| 10:01.55 | jacekowski | reboot |
| 10:02.36 | timeless_mbp | dneary: bugzilla was up earlier :) |
| 10:02.59 | Lynoure | black magic in the air = e.g. a memory corruption for one reason or another |
| 10:03.01 | dneary | timeless_mbp, So was the wiki (depending how much earlier, of course) |
| 10:03.06 | dneary | Both time out for me now though |
| 10:03.20 | dneary | Ah - could be my ssh tunnel & socks proxy |
| 10:03.44 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, doesn't help |
| 10:03.47 | timeless_mbp | wfm |
| 10:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: MohammadAG used sarahn's kernel patches based partly on my sugestions, and his own patches also based partly on my suggestions, and put genuine hostmode to work - though it's just a POC for now |
| 10:04.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's all based on your suggestions lol |
| 10:04.38 | t-tan | MohammadAG: Qt is not supported on devices that support USB hostmade :) |
| 10:04.47 | MohammadAG | makes sense |
| 10:04.55 | MohammadAG | shuts down the GUI department |
| 10:05.11 | timeless_mbp | oh *wow* |
| 10:05.17 | timeless_mbp | OWA has a "map this address" feature |
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| 10:07.01 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: any more details,? |
| 10:07.17 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and what about BME? |
| 10:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG, t-tan: the funny thing is, my phone seems to work great with the 1.2 based kernel on a 1.1.1 system :-) |
| 10:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: read the tmo thread |
| 10:08.13 | jacekowski | link? |
| 10:08.16 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: no surpise, the changes are neglible http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/nokia-20101501%2b0m5.diff |
| 10:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | bme has been shot by noon |
| 10:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921&page=102 |
| 10:09.33 | jacekowski | thx |
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| 10:11.06 | jacekowski | [2010-06-02 18:26:41] <MohammadAG> no external power? |
| 10:11.20 | jacekowski | so that means n900 is supplying usb device? |
| 10:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: I'll go over the whole 'echo foo >bar' shit today, will decode devcon for each one, and check what's going right or wrong and why. Guess we'll find a way to make the whole thing more reliable |
| 10:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: keep in mind that's been a first rather blind shot by MohammadAG |
| 10:12.58 | t-tan | MohammadAG: did you use an unmodified, standard F-F adapter? |
| 10:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 10:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | he wouldn't even know how to mod it ;-P |
| 10:14.15 | t-tan | maybe it's prepared. who uses F-F anyway? |
| 10:14.27 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> he wouldn't even know how to mod it ;-P fu :P |
| 10:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: there also might be quite some issues still with LS/FS/HS detection ans switching |
| 10:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: so if e.g. you memstick wants to negotiate highest possible speed, and that fails as it's not even implemented yet, this would explain a lot |
| 10:16.00 | t-tan | after echo F, MohammadAG stays in 83 for about 5 secs, mine doesnt |
| 10:16.04 | dneary | andre__, ping? |
| 10:16.17 | MohammadAG | t-tan, less after the reboot |
| 10:16.28 | dneary | andre__, When I change the product of a bug in Bugzilla, the component list doesn't update - known issue? |
| 10:16.28 | MohammadAG | it stays about 1-3 seconds |
| 10:16.28 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: I tried with stick, SD reader and keyboard |
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| 10:16.44 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: my keyboard is definitely not HS |
| 10:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: that's weird. We need to check this with finer granularity, and decode the devcon states and try figure out what's going on |
| 10:17.09 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: n900 can provide 5V@200mA over usb port? |
| 10:17.11 | andre__ | dneary, exact steps? and probably not a bug? |
| 10:17.18 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes |
| 10:17.23 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes, refer to DocScrutinizer for more details :) |
| 10:17.27 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: The battery charger chip has it as a feature |
| 10:17.28 | jacekowski | for how long? |
| 10:17.36 | MohammadAG | infinite afaik |
| 10:17.38 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Till the battery runs out |
| 10:17.41 | MohammadAG | unless you meant battery life |
| 10:17.44 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 10:17.50 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: that's what i meant |
| 10:17.54 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: and MohammadAG's switches to mode=Host earlier, while mine stays in peripheral |
| 10:17.59 | SpeedEvil | USB uses about as much as active 3g |
| 10:18.11 | SpeedEvil | It's about 1/4 of battery life an hour |
| 10:18.14 | MohammadAG | a_host |
| 10:18.24 | dneary | andre__, Bug #10513 was the one I was trying to change |
| 10:18.26 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10513 Deprecated HildonFontSelectionDialog used in maemo-examples |
| 10:18.37 | t-tan | MohammadAG: first line of musb_hdrc |
| 10:18.40 | dneary | It was reported against Code examples-> MaemoExamples (or whatever) |
| 10:18.54 | andre__ | dneary, steps please. |
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| 10:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: definitely weird, as you both used same kernel and modules |
| 10:19.29 | dneary | andre__, After changing the product, I was expecting the component list to update, but it doesn't. When I submit the bug (change product & mark as NEW) I *then* get prompted to choose the component |
| 10:19.32 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: I also tried connecting immediately after the script or stopping bme |
| 10:19.42 | andre__ | dneary, same in every other bugzilla out there :) |
| 10:19.49 | andre__ | see gnome bugzilla 3.4 for example. |
| 10:20.06 | dneary | andre__, The issue is that there are a number of promising products, and I have no idea which one contains the component of interest |
| 10:20.24 | andre__ | feel free to file an upstream bug if it does not exist yet. |
| 10:20.28 | t-tan | MohammadAG: does it work, if you plugin the device before starting the script? |
| 10:20.31 | dneary | andre__, In GNOME Bugzilla, if it's a panel bug the product is "panel", not "Desktop platform" :) |
| 10:20.41 | MohammadAG | t-tan, no |
| 10:20.49 | dneary | So it's more a question of categorisation than anything else |
| 10:20.53 | andre__ | dneary, how is that related to your original problem? |
| 10:20.58 | dneary | Where should I report a bug against Hildon? |
| 10:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: USB boost mode delivers 1W. multiplied by a guessed factor of 1/0.8 for 80% efficiency that's 1.2W drawn from battery - on maximum load |
| 10:21.14 | t-tan | MohammadAG: or after the script, but before stopping bme? |
| 10:21.14 | andre__ | dneary, what is "hildon"? definitely under Desktop Platform |
| 10:21.19 | dneary | andre__, My original problem was how to reassign a bug to the right place |
| 10:21.21 | MohammadAG | t-tan, no |
| 10:21.43 | MohammadAG | t-tan, it's still a crippled host mode, but it's an advance over the "Impossible" bit |
| 10:21.44 | andre__ | dneary, change product, choose "Reassign to default", cliuck "Submit", in next dialog choose Version and Component, done |
| 10:21.56 | dneary | Changing the product & expecting to be able to see the component list was my way of trying to do that (and it was not an appropriate method) - so I had to guess a product & hope I was in the right place |
| 10:22.16 | andre__ | as said: does not exist - feel free to file upstream bug. |
| 10:22.24 | dneary | andre__, OK - then I incorrectly changed the product to developer platform |
| 10:22.27 | t-tan | MohammadAG: hmm, not very convenient. why a GUI it the user has only 1sec to connect after pressing the button? |
| 10:22.33 | jacekowski | hmm, i have to make a usb cable |
| 10:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: that's been my question as well. And the "no" is also a weird bit yet to investigate |
| 10:22.44 | MohammadAG | t-tan, I never released the GUI |
| 10:22.45 | dneary | andre__, I feel like you're getting annoyed or something |
| 10:23.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I leave investigations for you :) |
| 10:23.10 | dneary | andre__, Just to repeat - this is indeed not a bug |
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| 10:23.26 | andre__ | dneary, hehe, not really... probably more like general mood currently :) |
| 10:23.35 | dneary | andre__, The bug, if there is one, is with Maemo bugzilla - it's really hard to know where to report bugs because there are so many products :) |
| 10:24.12 | andre__ | the usual problem with organically grown structures... I cleaned up a bit 18 months ago, also with splitting into platform and desktop |
| 10:24.27 | andre__ | if you have specific requests / improvements they are welcome |
| 10:24.51 | dneary | andre__, Could you have a glance at the bug & suggest a compoennt for me, please? hildon-widgets doesn't sound right |
| 10:24.52 | andre__ | however the current classifications were meant to be a compromise between users looking for the right place, and developer teams |
| 10:25.31 | andre__ | dneary, I don't know how maintains maemo-examples. why did you move it at all? |
| 10:25.36 | andre__ | s/how/who |
| 10:26.47 | dneary | andre__, The reason is in the comments. The old widget is deprecated, the bug reporter says we shouldn't be using deprecated widgets in code samples, but there is no inkling in the API docs of what a developer should move to from the deprecated widget - and GtkFontSelectionDialog is clearly not correct |
| 10:27.16 | dneary | So it's up to the maintainers of Hildon widgets, when marking widgets as deprecated, to say what replaces them |
| 10:27.34 | dneary | I could ask on a mailing list, I suppose... |
| 10:27.43 | dneary | But then what good is Bugzilla? :) |
| 10:29.06 | andre__ | dneary: seems to me that the report should have remained where it was (maemo-examples) and instead a new bug blocking it should be create against hildon-widgets that its docu is outdated. |
| 10:29.20 | dneary | andre__, Perhaps |
| 10:29.21 | andre__ | the report deals with two completely different issues now. |
| 10:29.28 | dneary | That would have been a valid approach |
| 10:29.44 | andre__ | unsolvable now as it would require two different teams to fix the two issues. |
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| 10:34.57 | dneary | andre__, After all that, I found some docs in the Maemo 5 release notes |
| 10:35.07 | dneary | Will propose a patch for API docs & code sample. |
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| 10:35.26 | andre__ | ah, okay |
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| 11:30.10 | BCMM | why is stuff all very green-tinted in Mirror, but make a skype video call to another n900 shows proper colour from the front cam? |
| 11:30.39 | X-Fade | BCMM: Software filter? |
| 11:31.29 | X-Fade | Mirror probably shows the raw non-processed feed. |
| 11:32.22 | BCMM | mplayer also shows it green-tinted |
| 11:32.23 | MohammadAG | <HtheB> speaking of noobs |
| 11:32.24 | MohammadAG | <HtheB> where is noobmonk3y |
| 11:32.27 | MohammadAG | back to lurking |
| 11:32.37 | noobmonk3y | is working very very very hard i'll have you know! |
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| 11:32.58 | noobmonk3y | bleats |
| 11:32.59 | BCMM | is there a program other than video calls that shows the front cam image properly? |
| 11:33.28 | noobmonk3y | healthcheck will show an image, but not the cam - mirror should though |
| 11:33.36 | frals | http://www.din-it-kunskap.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/webbl%C3%A4sare-kvinnor.png heh |
| 11:33.38 | noobmonk3y | allthough i think it may be flipped |
| 11:33.51 | MohammadAG | qwerty12 rocks! |
| 11:33.56 | SpeedEvil | Also - mplayer |
| 11:34.00 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: tis true |
| 11:34.09 | SpeedEvil | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0 |
| 11:34.11 | SpeedEvil | or something |
| 11:34.16 | frals | MohammadAG: what he do now? |
| 11:34.22 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43395 |
| 11:34.34 | noobmonk3y | lol frals |
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| 11:36.28 | noobmonk3y | tekojo: the yoyo ;) hehe |
| 11:36.52 | tekojo | noobmonk3y: moving from my desk to a meeting room :) |
| 11:36.58 | noobmonk3y | lol :P |
| 11:37.28 | noobmonk3y | hmmm which irc channel is most likely going to be able to help with why qt multimedia - defaultInputDevice doesnt work on the N900 (Python stylee) |
| 11:37.45 | tekojo | #qt-maemo ? |
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| 11:37.55 | noobmonk3y | has hit more dead ends then.... erm... something with a lot of dead ends |
| 11:38.14 | noobmonk3y | ty tekojo |
| 11:38.26 | frals | noobmonk3y: #trouts-r-us |
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| 11:39.14 | noobmonk3y | frals: #trouts-r-us ..... really? can a trout use a phone?! |
| 11:39.23 | noobmonk3y | apologises... phon'pooooter |
| 11:39.28 | frals | :D |
| 11:41.29 | Arkenoi | browsed gconf to find out what is possibly wrong with my volume keys and found nothing suspicious. any ideas how to diagnose the problem? after pr1.2 fiasco flash i lost volume control function via hardware keys totally, they work as zoom/unzoon in all applications that do support zooming |
| 11:42.25 | frals | uh.. working as intended? as long as they control volume in media player etc |
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| 11:43.04 | Arkenoi | frals, they do not |
| 11:43.28 | Arkenoi | they do nothing if an application does not support zooming |
| 11:43.35 | frals | weird o-O |
| 11:43.43 | Arkenoi | really |
| 11:44.41 | Arkenoi | scroll function in fbreader is not affected |
| 11:45.10 | Arkenoi | otherwise it would be way too annoying |
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| 11:45.26 | Arkenoi | but it still sucks to change volume with touchscreen |
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| 11:46.35 | noobmonk3y | after all that QTmultimedia may be a dead end lol...... |
| 11:46.42 | noobmonk3y | now whats this qtmobility malarky all about :P |
| 11:47.16 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: See post of anidel@gmail.com to maemo-developers Zoom Keys when screen's locked |
| 11:47.38 | frals | btw, anyone know if any of the maemo maps apps can be launched via dbus pointing to a specific location? |
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| 11:52.06 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, does not seem very helpful. i will probably will a bug. |
| 11:52.39 | Arkenoi | but i already expect what response would be: "reflash eMMC and restore your data" |
| 11:52.57 | alterego | frals: I might be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that if a contact has a geo-location associated with it, it launches "Ovi" maps? |
| 11:53.03 | alterego | frals: might be worth a try. |
| 11:53.05 | Arkenoi | fill a bug even |
| 11:53.06 | phellarv | frals: Would be nice if it could - I have an app which turns on GPS, and find the nearest Bus/Sub/Train-stop, and feeds me realtime data on what leaves when from that stop. Would be really nice to have a "Locate this stop" in that app |
| 11:53.26 | frals | alterego: thanks, will look in to it :) |
| 11:53.49 | alterego | frals: np |
| 11:54.07 | alterego | Well, I've had a mamoth refactoring session in a cafe this morning. |
| 11:54.20 | frals | trying to get fmms to play nice with mms's sent from s60 ovi maps which links to a location.. or rather, investigating if its worth spending time on :P |
| 11:54.31 | alterego | Abstract all the generic code from my "Media IM Status Updater" into a few classes like "MediaMonitor" and "TelepathyMonitor" :) |
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| 11:54.49 | alterego | Though, right now I can't think of any app that is going to use these, I'm sure I'll find a use for them in the future. |
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| 11:56.00 | alterego | I also added a few new features, so now, if you configure an IM account half way through a song it'll update the presence status message straight away, as well as if an account connects mid track that has been configured it'll update straight away, where as before you had to wait for the track to change. |
| 11:56.48 | Shapeshifter | alterego: that sounds interesting. is it in extras-devel or somewhere? |
| 11:56.55 | alterego | So, I've created it as a settings/"Control Panel" plugin, now I just need to create a pretty icon and debianize it. |
| 11:56.59 | Shapeshifter | alterego: and does it work together with the "show my location" function? |
| 11:57.19 | Shapeshifter | as in, <songname> @ <location>? |
| 11:57.20 | alterego | Shapeshifter: not yet, hopefully by this evening or tomorrow morning, depending on what I get up to today. |
| 11:57.36 | Shapeshifter | nice |
| 11:57.36 | alterego | Shapeshifter: no, not tested with "show my location" :) |
| 11:57.50 | alterego | I imagine it wont work with it tbh. |
| 11:57.58 | SpeedEvil | It should listen to the accellerometer too, and add (dancing) |
| 11:58.02 | Shapeshifter | it probably overwrites the state. |
| 11:58.03 | alterego | Hahah |
| 11:58.10 | alterego | It does, |
| 11:58.18 | Shapeshifter | alterego: just read out the current state, prepend the songname ? |
| 11:58.36 | alterego | I was planning on adding geolocation to it btw :) So in future it'll just be a case of turning of the inbuilt geolocation and setting it up in my status updater. |
| 11:58.43 | Shapeshifter | or rather, remove everything to the @, then prepend |
| 11:58.58 | alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png |
| 11:58.58 | Shapeshifter | oh well |
| 11:59.09 | alterego | I'll add a %g for location or something in the future. |
| 11:59.10 | Shapeshifter | cool |
| 11:59.11 | Shapeshifter | I like it |
| 11:59.14 | Shapeshifter | :D |
| 11:59.32 | Shapeshifter | alterego: uhm what kind of checkbox widget is that >.> |
| 11:59.38 | alterego | And before you ask, Python + PySide :P |
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| 11:59.47 | Shapeshifter | but it's not a QCheckbox is it |
| 11:59.51 | alterego | It's just a Checkbox, it's the theming that makes it look like that I believe. |
| 11:59.55 | Shapeshifter | ah |
| 11:59.57 | alterego | Carbon theme |
| 12:00.01 | Shapeshifter | nice |
| 12:00.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, invite me please |
| 12:00.48 | Shapeshifter | alterego: is it a daemon? |
| 12:01.02 | Shapeshifter | as in, does it always need to run or can you hook on a trigger of song changing? |
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| 12:01.20 | alterego | Shapeshifter: it's a daemon, run by upstart and a cp plugin |
| 12:01.51 | phellarv | Is it possible to set HAM to _never_ do an automatic check for new versions? |
| 12:02.05 | frals | alterego; is the cp plugin in python as well? |
| 12:02.27 | alterego | frals: indeed, wrapped in a C library |
| 12:02.45 | Shapeshifter | phellarv: If I'm not mistaken you can remove the event from the alarmd queue. Not sure if that will be restored or if it will cause breakage. also, maybe there's an option somwhere... |
| 12:03.08 | alterego | frals: I'm going to make the C python loader generic so you have a config option in your .desktop file to point at the specific python script. |
| 12:03.35 | frals | alterego: cool, got the code somewhere? not found anyone adding a python app as cp plugin yet :) |
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| 12:03.50 | alterego | frals: not yet, you'll have to wait :P |
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| 12:04.24 | phellarv | Shapeshifter: M'Kay - Have to look for it then. I prefer to do my updates and check for updates in a controlled environment. |
| 12:04.28 | alterego | frals: but I'll point you to it as soon as it's up. |
| 12:04.33 | frals | cheers |
| 12:04.51 | frals | have been meaning to make fapn a cp applet but not had the time to look into how to do it properly |
| 12:05.13 | alterego | Well, I can't promise that this is "properly" ;) |
| 12:05.18 | alterego | If it works, I'm happy :D |
| 12:05.27 | GAN900 | Ugh |
| 12:05.32 | frals | s/properly/good enough/ |
| 12:05.34 | frals | ;) |
| 12:05.34 | GAN900 | Reboot when removing charger |
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| 12:07.50 | phellarv | GAN900: Defect Battery? |
| 12:08.13 | alterego | Anyhow, I've got some things to do. |
| 12:08.15 | alterego | walks off. |
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| 12:12.08 | phellarv | A Solar Charger with 1100 mAh LiPo battery in - Should keep me going for a couple of hours, am I right? |
| 12:12.32 | MohammadAG | what's the pipe key called? |
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| 12:12.49 | phellarv | MohammadAG: pipe? |
| 12:12.54 | phellarv | ;-P |
| 12:13.08 | MohammadAG | doubt that lol |
| 12:13.26 | MohammadAG | i want to map it to the xterm UI buttons |
| 12:14.39 | Macer | hash checking takes forever |
| 12:14.41 | Macer | ugh |
| 12:14.42 | l0up | MohammadAG: wiki says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar |
| 12:15.07 | frals | MohammadAG: bar |
| 12:15.17 | frals | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386724&postcount=8 |
| 12:15.20 | Macer | haha |
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| 12:15.32 | Macer | | ? |
| 12:15.46 | Macer | i always thought that was a pipe |
| 12:15.52 | phellarv | Drink@| |
| 12:15.56 | Macer | heh |
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| 12:16.29 | phellarv | MohammadAG: http://www.hello-world.com/computer_science/windows/keyboard.php |
| 12:16.52 | l0up | drink@work atm, would like bar or terrace more |
| 12:16.53 | Macer | must be an american/euro thing.. like lie-knicks vs lee-nux |
| 12:17.28 | frals | Macer; fwiw i say pipe as well, never heard anyone calling it bar until i saw that post |
| 12:18.40 | Macer | heh |
| 12:18.42 | jaska | "bar" is the key name for pipe |
| 12:19.10 | Macer | jaska: you are going to hell for saying that |
| 12:19.21 | jaska | macer: why? |
| 12:19.39 | Macer | because perverts go to hell |
| 12:19.49 | jaska | ah doh, frals did it too.. its not my term for it, i call it pipe myself |
| 12:20.08 | jaska | macer, problem is, i cannot go to an imaginary location. |
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| 12:20.13 | Macer | oh just drag people down with you huh? |
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| 12:20.37 | Macer | tattle |
| 12:20.37 | ZeNz0r | hi everyone! |
| 12:20.41 | Macer | :) |
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| 12:21.47 | ZeNz0r | is anyone around willing to give pointers to a n00b that isnt getting the pr1.2 OTA upgrade on n900? |
| 12:23.47 | Macer | omg. it is 58° |
| 12:23.56 | Macer | F |
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| 12:24.45 | merlin1991 | ZeNz0r I guess you would get this link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 12:24.48 | jaska | lies, its 15.8C |
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| 12:25.13 | Macer | IT IS JUNE... I am starting to suspect global "warming" is hitting chicago |
| 12:25.16 | ZeNz0r | thks... i'll check it out and see if i'v done it |
| 12:25.25 | ZeNz0r | i'v read plenty but with no results |
| 12:25.31 | ZeNz0r | brb and thks for the link |
| 12:25.57 | Macer | i mean dont get me wrong. i would rather freeze than sweat to death |
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| 12:26.13 | Macer | but still.. maybe forca is messed up |
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| 12:28.11 | Macer | hm |
| 12:28.18 | Macer | zimbra server seems broken |
| 12:28.47 | ZeNz0r | merlin1991 i'v already read that thread... i dlded the RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin but since im on win7 it didnt start, so im waiting till tomorrow to get on a XPbased PC and try that out again... but if i could manage OTA well it'd be done with |
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| 12:30.55 | wall[e] | hi, is there a way to rotate default display by 180 degree? |
| 12:31.25 | ZeNz0r | i managed to peek into a file that lists ssu links... etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and verified that my ssu code isnt "mr0" or "203" it reads "204" and im guessing correcting that would enable the OTA update... is that wrong? |
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| 12:31.52 | ZeNz0r | the thing is i dont know how to open the file cause im a linux n00b... |
| 12:32.32 | phellarv | ZeNz0r: Get vim - edit file - win |
| 12:32.37 | ZeNz0r | i just copied it into an accessible folder and read it on a PC... tried replacing it but it says i dont have permission even with "sudo gainroot" |
| 12:33.21 | ZeNz0r | sry phellarv i dont know what u mean by that... is that xterminal code or an app? |
| 12:33.42 | BCMM_ | vim - win |
| 12:33.52 | phellarv | vim is an editor which you can use in the X-Terminal |
| 12:34.04 | ShadowJK | it's not beginner friendly |
| 12:34.26 | BCMM_ | yeah, is there nano? nano is good for beginners |
| 12:34.31 | phellarv | ShadowJK: It is - It's just picky on which users to be friendly with. |
| 12:34.38 | ShadowJK | and I don't think changing 204 will enable ota update |
| 12:34.53 | ZeNz0r | so i get to the folder and type "vim - filename - win"? |
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| 12:35.18 | Khertan_ | Hello ! |
| 12:35.22 | ShadowJK | I said not beginner friendly, I did not claim it's user unfriendly ;) |
| 12:35.45 | phellarv | ShadowJK: Always been friendly to me... |
| 12:35.48 | ZeNz0r | ok shadowjk... if it wont enable the OTA update then i might just flash |
| 12:36.03 | ShadowJK | I think the easiest way to change from vodafone crippled variants and similar is to backup, reflash and restore.. |
| 12:36.03 | phellarv | ZeNz0r: Do the flash - much easier. |
| 12:36.08 | phellarv | And safer |
| 12:36.14 | ZeNz0r | i mean i went through all the other tips and no luck |
| 12:36.27 | ZeNz0r | this was the one i wasnt able to complete |
| 12:36.40 | bbg | Hello, Does anybody know how to do modal dialog in Maemo by QT, i make by exec(), but it is not work? |
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| 12:36.58 | ZeNz0r | could u just verify if this is the right image... RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:36.59 | ShadowJK | there have been other people with 204 saying they can't upgrade, so I guess that means there's no upgrade for 204 yet |
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| 12:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | How obnoxious |
| 12:37.12 | ZeNz0r | im in portugal btw so i guess its the global update |
| 12:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | A bunch of the device queue people just linked to their blogs. |
| 12:37.25 | Khertan_ | I ve strange result while using a QAbstractKineticScroller with a QPlainTextEdit ... It s scroll really too fast, and the QPlainTextEdit doesn't stay in the windows frame after some scroll ... start at 50pixel left before the windows |
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| 12:38.35 | ZeNz0r | im in portugal but use english as main language since i rather find answers in google then typing in portuguese and not getting anything at all |
| 12:38.52 | KevinM2k | Whats the best widget to use to display resuls? Im using QListWidget at minute, is there better ones? |
| 12:38.53 | ZeNz0r | so i wouldnt mind getting the UK update |
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| 12:39.21 | marmoute | ZeNz0r: The UK update is the update for people using they phone inside the UK |
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| 12:39.43 | ZeNz0r | ok, so its location specific and not only language oriented? |
| 12:40.13 | ShadowJK | I've heard the differences are pretty small |
| 12:40.45 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: ping? |
| 12:40.55 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 12:40.56 | ZeNz0r | when i checked the image dld site there wasnt anything mentioning 204... do u know what thats for... or what it means? |
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| 12:41.21 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Should packages like this depend on -dev packages? |
| 12:41.32 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Or only build-depend? :) |
| 12:41.52 | MohammadAG | which ones? |
| 12:42.02 | MohammadAG | scrolls up |
| 12:42.07 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libavahi-glib-dev/0.6.24-0maemo2/ |
| 12:42.16 | X-Fade | Sorry, forgot to paste ;) |
| 12:43.25 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, not sure, i only removed upstart-job from the package |
| 12:43.34 | MohammadAG | technically, i'm not the maintainer :) |
| 12:43.36 | Lynoure | Who can I ask about the rules of http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 ? |
| 12:43.43 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yeah, I am wondering what to do with packages like this. |
| 12:43.48 | Lynoure | There are some things that are not quite clear... |
| 12:44.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: As -dev packages are only available in sdk repos. |
| 12:44.02 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, fireplace |
| 12:44.33 | MohammadAG | do other packages depend on it? |
| 12:45.23 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, ping? |
| 12:45.42 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Build-depends at least. |
| 12:46.01 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, so it won't be installed on a device |
| 12:46.18 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Can't be at least. |
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| 12:47.46 | hmiltn5 | so ... I run debian and I can build from source... all I would need to do is compile as ARM and im good to go with maemo? |
| 12:47.57 | hmiltn5 | the whole SDK stuff is confusing me |
| 12:48.24 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Trying to get the repos in a consistent state, so I can rebuild the whole repo on OBS :) |
| 12:48.48 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:48.51 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: But currently a lot of build-depends stay in -devel. So rebuilding -testing for instance, is a pain. |
| 12:48.51 | MohammadAG | clone it? |
| 12:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | LaunchPad is officially useless. |
| 12:49.17 | MohammadAG | clone it and remove the packages which cause problems |
| 12:49.18 | MohammadAG | low battery |
| 12:49.29 | X-Fade | That will be a lot ;) |
| 12:49.37 | X-Fade | But I'll try another approach. |
| 12:49.45 | MohammadAG | symlink it :) |
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| 12:50.17 | wall[e] | i'm extremely busy and really code a lot on n900 these days when outside with hwkb |
| 12:51.04 | ShadowJK | hmiltn5, the sdk is more like this weird vm / cpu emulator thing.. |
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| 12:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ask X-Fade about the tools |
| 12:52.04 | hmiltn5 | ok so then simply just compile in arm arch ? |
| 12:52.12 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, we'll need to upload i2c-tools for hostmode, is it allowed? |
| 12:52.16 | MohammadAG | non user section |
| 12:52.20 | ShadowJK | inside the sdk, sure.. |
| 12:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 12:52.36 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Is that a free package? |
| 12:52.47 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: can't you do i2c inside of kernel? |
| 12:53.01 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yes, but if misused it'll brick a device (HW brick) |
| 12:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure we can |
| 12:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, just using the address you provided Freenode, then. |
| 12:53.19 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, I can, but that means binaries in the source |
| 12:53.24 | t-tan | extract the relevant i2c to an independent apps |
| 12:53.38 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Fork it and only leave the safe things in? |
| 12:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: ?? |
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| 12:53.49 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: well, cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd will brick it as well |
| 12:53.52 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, all binaries are unsafe |
| 12:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: not possible |
| 12:53.59 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, not a hardware brick |
| 12:54.04 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, i2c-tools provides access to the kernel's read and write i2c functions |
| 12:54.07 | Macer | wtf |
| 12:54.09 | MohammadAG | that bricks the bootloader |
| 12:54.09 | Macer | it just.. died? |
| 12:54.16 | MohammadAG | i2c can kill the whole mobo |
| 12:54.18 | Macer | that is crap. it is probably hinet |
| 12:54.24 | Macer | figures out a way to block all of hinet.net |
| 12:54.26 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: we only need to commands: VBUS up and keep alive |
| 12:54.31 | Macer | damn asians |
| 12:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: MohammadAG: nulling NOLO also will hw-brick |
| 12:54.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, a serial flash would work |
| 12:54.57 | MohammadAG | or a jtag, if that exists |
| 12:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: I'm aware of that, though it holds true for *now* only |
| 12:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: right |
| 12:55.22 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: you could add more later |
| 12:55.25 | ShadowJK | You could modify i2c-tools to only allow read and writes to bq24500 |
| 12:55.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i2c is unrecoverable |
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| 12:55.32 | MohammadAG | at least not with a "light" swap |
| 12:55.42 | MohammadAG | as referred to in the service manuals |
| 12:55.48 | MohammadAG | it's a mid-level brick |
| 12:55.53 | MohammadAG | i2c is a full brick |
| 12:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's much too technical, and doesn't matter here |
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| 12:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | fact is we got /dev/i2c-2 and reading/writing to it may brick subsystems like BT, WLAN, etc |
| 12:56.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the package itself and our use of it is harmless |
| 12:56.56 | jacekowski | the thing is that anything abused will brick device |
| 12:57.02 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 12:57.12 | jacekowski | there is so many other ways to brick it |
| 12:57.25 | jacekowski | so why do you care about stopping one way of bricking it? |
| 12:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | we got a tool that allows reading/writing these dev-nodes in a sane way, and also comes with a proper warning and howto |
| 12:57.33 | MohammadAG | not a full mobo brick :) |
| 12:57.54 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd will wipe everything |
| 12:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: exactly |
| 12:58.08 | BCMM | what is /dev/mtd |
| 12:58.09 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, read, not a full mobo brick |
| 12:58.11 | BCMM | ? |
| 12:58.14 | woglinde | BCMM dont ask |
| 12:58.17 | MohammadAG | /dev/mtd0 actually |
| 12:58.19 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it's full mobo brick |
| 12:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | you could echo something into /dev/I2C-2 and that would have same effect |
| 12:58.28 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, a serial flash fixes it |
| 12:58.40 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 12:58.54 | MohammadAG | i2c bricks can't be fied |
| 12:59.04 | jacekowski | jtag can fix everything |
| 12:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: don't pretend you know what you're talking about ;-P |
| 12:59.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I can differentiate between brick levels |
| 12:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 13:00.00 | jacekowski | anything that requires more than usb cable is brick that user can't recover from |
| 13:00.27 | ShadowJK | I'd feel safer with i2c-tools than in-kernel though... I don't trust you lot to write kernel code ;D |
| 13:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, all you *could* do (and it's not yet clear if that applies to N900 at all) is destroying your firmware in one of the subsystems attached thru I2C bus |
| 13:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | like BT, WLAN... |
| 13:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ack |
| 13:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: exactly. From this POV there's quite little to no diff between a NOLO brick and a BT brick |
| 13:02.24 | ShadowJK | I'm thinking it should be fairly simple to modify the relevant utilities in i2c-tools to only allow access to bus+address we know of |
| 13:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: it is |
| 13:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | but why should we do that? |
| 13:03.04 | jacekowski | just create tool that's based on i2ctools |
| 13:03.24 | jacekowski | and can do one thing |
| 13:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | to save user from typing some weird i2cset comand while sleepwalking? |
| 13:03.43 | jacekowski | or don't do it at all |
| 13:03.48 | ShadowJK | user shouldn't be typing i2cset commands :) |
| 13:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
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| 13:04.45 | mikki-kun | hm, can anybody tell me how i can enable 250MhZ when using titan's ideal settings per default? |
| 13:05.09 | phellarv | Is 650mA-750mA ok for charging the N900? |
| 13:05.20 | jacekowski | 500mA is ok |
| 13:05.25 | jacekowski | or less |
| 13:05.27 | jacekowski | or more |
| 13:05.29 | mikki-kun | phellarv: should be, usb gives only 500 max |
| 13:05.30 | ShadowJK | I think the minimum is 100mA |
| 13:05.45 | jacekowski | usb charger gives something like 1.2A max |
| 13:05.51 | jacekowski | so 100mA to 1200mA |
| 13:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | see, what's with OC kernel. MUCH easier to do harm to N900 hardware this way, more harm, and more known to work way to kill the device |
| 13:06.08 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: can you charge it from 100mA? |
| 13:06.29 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: or it will consume it faster than it charges? |
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| 13:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | phellarv: nope, your charger should at least support 1000mA |
| 13:06.52 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i wasn't into OCing per default, just using lower power... |
| 13:07.01 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: no evidence so far |
| 13:07.12 | phellarv | I'm wondering about buyin a Solar Charger - 1100mAh LiPo battery - Charging at 5,3V 650mA-750mA. |
| 13:07.21 | jacekowski | phellarv: it's enough |
| 13:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure, TI gave us the evidence in their datasheets |
| 13:07.42 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: no, only for overvoltage |
| 13:07.46 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, depends on what you do :) |
| 13:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: for I2Cset there's no evidence it actually could brick anything at all n N900, so far |
| 13:08.18 | jacekowski | hmmm, |
| 13:08.32 | jacekowski | we could try that |
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| 13:08.40 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, obviously you don't need much to consume more than 100mA.. if your battery normally lasts 10 hours or less the phone would be eating more than 100mA :) |
| 13:09.53 | jacekowski | btw. i saw 10m ethernet cable for £50 yesterday |
| 13:10.02 | jacekowski | just right next to USB cable for £25 |
| 13:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | wnders how jacekowski wants to set N900 to 100mA charge mode, without messing around with bme and jrbme |
| 13:10.10 | BCMM | gold-plated connectors? |
| 13:10.18 | jacekowski | BCMM: no |
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| 13:10.35 | BCMM | i have seen special "AV" USB cables with prices like that |
| 13:10.47 | BCMM | (it's funny cause gold plating costs approximately nothing) |
| 13:10.54 | jacekowski | just cheap belkin cables |
| 13:11.01 | jacekowski | "cheap" |
| 13:11.10 | jacekowski | hdmi cable for £40 ( gold plated ) |
| 13:11.51 | BCMM | there was some "high end" AV company that made digital stuff connected with rj-45 stuff (almost certainly basically cat-5) |
| 13:12.01 | BCMM | and they made their won cables for it at great expense |
| 13:12.09 | BCMM | with arrows on them telling you which way 'round they go |
| 13:12.34 | BCMM | real enthusiasts would be able to hear the loss of quality from connecting an ethernet cable backwards, you see |
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| 13:14.12 | BCMM | actually, was it PC world? i recall all their USB cables being about £25 |
| 13:14.16 | jacekowski | http://audio.x.pl/audio/audiovoodoo/shakti.htm |
| 13:14.24 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes it was pc world |
| 13:14.26 | BCMM | (apart from the ones that came with something that cost less than £25...) |
| 13:14.43 | BCMM | http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp - $500 cat5 |
| 13:14.45 | jacekowski | BCMM: but currys and staples had similiar prices |
| 13:14.55 | jacekowski | well, i ended up buying USB hub for £7 |
| 13:15.21 | BCMM | heh, i got a usb hub from pound[world|land] last year |
| 13:15.29 | BCMM | it actually worked, sorta |
| 13:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | hahahaha |
| 13:15.43 | BCMM | didn't get on too well with my keyboard for some reason |
| 13:16.03 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: @what? |
| 13:16.05 | jacekowski | £1 usb hub? |
| 13:16.11 | jacekowski | that's really cheap |
| 13:16.11 | BCMM | jacekowski: yeah |
| 13:16.29 | jacekowski | i wouldn't expect that manufacturing + shipping from china is that cheap |
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| 13:16.37 | BCMM | nearly all poundland's USB stuff is made by teh same company, who's name i forget |
| 13:16.44 | BCMM | jacekowski: well, they are pretty low quality |
| 13:16.51 | jacekowski | well, shipping costs |
| 13:17.01 | jacekowski | and that's independent on quality |
| 13:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | goldplated OFC powercord for amplifier, costing ~300 bucks. To connect the amp without any loss to the 3*1.5 NYM cable running inside the wall to your mains outlet |
| 13:17.05 | BCMM | and it came with an inch-long extension cable |
| 13:17.16 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, you can buy up RMAd hubs in bulk, run them through the oven and sell them as working |
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| 13:17.42 | BCMM | jacekowski: meh, shipping, on ships, in whole containers probably comes out to be very little for small things |
| 13:17.42 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: they have gold cables as well, and mains conditioners |
| 13:18.08 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: maybe those people have entirely gold-plated houses |
| 13:18.12 | ShadowJK | ah, nothing like a perfectly shaped modified sine wave... |
| 13:18.14 | BCMM | (one can only hope) |
| 13:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and magic clean air to feed to the speaker membranes ? XP |
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| 13:18.38 | BCMM | ShadowJK: oven? |
| 13:18.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and special fuses for audio |
| 13:18.46 | jacekowski | BCMM: smd oven |
| 13:18.48 | jacekowski | BCMM: reflow |
| 13:19.13 | ShadowJK | or just your baking oven in between bread |
| 13:19.29 | ShadowJK | can't be too fuzzy when you try keep costs down |
| 13:19.30 | BCMM | actually, reminds me of somebody (of debatable realness) who blew up a computer by copper-plating the entire case (including insulating bits) |
| 13:19.36 | luizheyjr | hi everyone, somebody knows if maemo have a full emulator or a way to do that? |
| 13:19.43 | BCMM | jacekowski: ah, for components that didn't attach the first time? |
| 13:19.48 | ShadowJK | luizheyjr, no |
| 13:19.53 | BCMM | luizheyjr: emulator of what? |
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| 13:20.23 | luizheyjr | an emulator like qemu or something |
| 13:20.25 | BCMM | luizheyjr: emulate maemo on maemo? maemo on something else? |
| 13:20.38 | luizheyjr | maemo on pc |
| 13:20.39 | BCMM | luizheyjr: yeah, i believe there is a VM |
| 13:20.41 | BCMM | oh |
| 13:20.51 | BCMM | i don't know |
| 13:21.04 | timeless_mbp | looks for someone who uses MfE |
| 13:21.05 | jacekowski | BCMM: no, that's how it's done 1st time |
| 13:21.13 | BCMM | impractical but funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFjl3Ob3VpU |
| 13:21.20 | jacekowski | BCMM: solder paste with glue and shit |
| 13:21.32 | jacekowski | BCMM: i mean blank pcb is covered with it |
| 13:21.38 | jacekowski | BCMM: and then components are glued |
| 13:21.45 | jacekowski | BCMM: using that |
| 13:21.52 | jacekowski | BCMM: and then it goes to the oven |
| 13:22.16 | luizheyjr | I want to test my apps but i dont have a maemo device |
| 13:22.23 | jacekowski | luizheyjr: scratchbox |
| 13:22.32 | jacekowski | luizheyjr: there is all you need inside of it |
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| 13:23.27 | luizheyjr | but the scratchbox only emulates the display manager, isnt it? |
| 13:23.34 | MiXu- | Is there some way to disable the turn-to-mute feature in N900? |
| 13:23.37 | SpeedEvil | luizheyjr: What does your app do? |
| 13:23.50 | SpeedEvil | luizheyjr: Also - I note that extras-devel can be used for this |
| 13:23.55 | BCMM | luizheyjr: yeah, no real reason to emulate an n900 when you can just compile stuff for your desktop instead |
| 13:23.59 | luizheyjr | some poit of sales like app |
| 13:24.00 | SpeedEvil | you upload your app there - and ask questions about it |
| 13:24.09 | BCMM | (unless you do soemthing odd with hardware, or wanna know about performance) |
| 13:24.09 | jacekowski | luizheyjr: it emulates everything |
| 13:24.11 | SpeedEvil | luizheyjr: What does it do that you can't do on the desk? |
| 13:24.15 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: No, it doesn'.t |
| 13:24.23 | jacekowski | luizheyjr: well, everything you need |
| 13:24.24 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Not camera/phone/accelerometer |
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| 13:28.09 | Khertan_ | I ve strange result while using a QAbstractKineticScroller with a QPlainTextEdit ... It s scroll really too fast, and the QPlainTextEdit doesn't stay in the window frame after some scroll ... start at 50 pixel left before the windows ? any idea ? This doesn't happen when i use a QTextEdit |
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| 13:29.04 | luizheyjr | so if I only compile an app for maemo it will run exactly like in the scratchbox appears right? |
| 13:29.12 | woglinde | Khertan_ better ask in the qt channel? |
| 13:29.52 | Khertan_ | woglinde: hum ... :) already ask no answer ... so as it s a bit specifics to maemo ... i try if someone already have this problem here :) |
| 13:29.59 | BCMM | luizheyjr: not completely exactly |
| 13:30.09 | BCMM | luizheyjr: i mean, performance is bound to differ |
| 13:30.15 | luizheyjr | hummm ok |
| 13:30.19 | BCMM | and poorly-written apps could work on one and not the other |
| 13:30.22 | Khertan_ | woglinde: on qt ... there is few people using specificity of maemo |
| 13:30.26 | Khertan_ | woglinde: on qt ... there is few people using specificities of maemo |
| 13:30.36 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 13:30.42 | BCMM | but i veliev the official advice is "get it working right in scratchbox, then check if it works on a device" |
| 13:30.54 | BCMM | s/v/b/ |
| 13:31.10 | BCMM | wow |
| 13:31.14 | BCMM | infobot is awesome |
| 13:31.35 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 13:31.43 | BCMM | hugs infobot |
| 13:31.57 | Khertan_ | yeah, no real reason to emulate an n900 when you can just compile stuff for your desktop instead <<< except for QtMaemo5 qt module := |
| 13:31.58 | Khertan_ | :) |
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| 13:38.30 | X-Fade | TomaszD: ping |
| 13:38.48 | luizheyjr | the last question lol :D how can I emulate the acelerometers action, I mean need I do something in the code to make my app able to be viewed in portrait or landscape way? |
| 13:39.12 | woglinde | khertan wasnt there qt-maemo channel? |
| 13:39.59 | Mece | Khertan_, could you tell me how to get setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) to work in PyQt4? |
| 13:40.33 | Khertan_ | easy :) |
| 13:40.44 | Mece | Khertan_, works fine in pyside, but scrolling of qtextedit didn't wokrk in pyside :/ |
| 13:41.19 | Khertan_ | ah |
| 13:41.30 | Khertan_ | yes i see it |
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| 13:41.41 | Khertan_ | and there is also pb with keyPressedEvent in pyside |
| 13:41.47 | MohammadAG | ZogG, ping |
| 13:41.51 | Khertan_ | fixed now ... but still not available in repository |
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| 13:42.22 | woglinde | khertan is pyside this much better now than pyqt? |
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| 13:43.15 | Khertan_ | Mece: i simply set self.setAttribute(QtCore.Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, True) |
| 13:43.19 | Khertan_ | in pyqt |
| 13:43.29 | Khertan_ | works fine since PR1.2 |
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| 13:46.19 | Mece | Khertan_, I don't want auto, but ok, was missing the QtCore there. |
| 13:46.29 | Khertan_ | ah :) |
| 13:46.49 | Khertan_ | PyQt4.QtCore.Qt.WA* to be exact |
| 13:46.59 | noobmonk3y | :) |
| 13:47.02 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
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| 13:47.11 | Khertan_ | and of course do not forget to import PyQt4.QtMaemo5 |
| 13:47.36 | noobmonk3y | Khertan_: are you clear on qtmultimedia v qtmobility? - it seems audioinput doesnt work on the n900 with multimedia, so was thinking of trying mobility |
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| 13:54.51 | Mece | Khertan_, doesn't seem to work. |
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| 13:57.50 | Khertan_ | noobmonk3y: don't know ... never try to use it :) |
| 13:59.07 | MohammadAG | frals, remember the post i linked to (qwerty12)? |
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| 14:04.54 | noobmonk3y | :) |
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| 14:06.18 | GAN900 | Google Docs is so unpleasant to use in MicroB. |
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| 14:17.23 | dneary | GAN900, Yes |
| 14:18.04 | GAN900 | gives us |
| 14:18.22 | GAN900 | up* |
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| 14:18.41 | noobmonk3y | throws frals @ GAN900 |
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| 14:22.11 | loufoque | what is the best weather application/applet for the N900? |
| 14:24.13 | visz | there's the new weatherbug, but i haven't tried it yet |
| 14:24.48 | visz | http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/new-apps-games-coming-your-way-for-nokia-n900/ |
| 14:27.11 | Mece | crap. err Khertan_, are you still here? |
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| 14:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ping |
| 14:29.37 | Khertan_ | Mece: ... but a bit busy |
| 14:29.56 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: pong |
| 14:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe somebody else may tell me: am I supposed to have admin rights for the garage ML of my project |
| 14:30.27 | loufoque | visz: are those ovi apps you need to pay for? |
| 14:30.51 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes |
| 14:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, it asks for a admin pw |
| 14:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | I can't remember having that configured any time |
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| 14:32.01 | Mece | Khertan_, are you using pyside or pyqt in khteditor? |
| 14:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I just forgot? |
| 14:32.28 | Khertan_ | Mece: pyqt |
| 14:32.50 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I can reset it. Whatis your project? |
| 14:32.52 | Mece | Khertan_, ok, because of the scrolling in qtestedit or..? |
| 14:32.54 | Khertan_ | as i plan to release a first version soon ... pyqt isn't ready yet ... |
| 14:33.04 | Khertan_ | Mece: and other problems :) |
| 14:33.11 | Mece | pyside isn't ready you mean. |
| 14:33.14 | Khertan_ | pyside bug#207 |
| 14:33.14 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207 RFE: Bluetooth PAN |
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| 14:33.19 | Khertan_ | Mece: :) |
| 14:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: if it's really been entered by me before, I will find it again. Just can't remember I have set any dedicated ML admin pw |
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| 14:34.07 | Mece | Khertan_, well seems that manual rotation doesn't work in pyqt... |
| 14:34.25 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: resetting is easy ;) |
| 14:34.31 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: list name? |
| 14:34.56 | loufoque | pyside on an embedded device? |
| 14:34.58 | loufoque | that's crazy |
| 14:35.24 | Khertan_ | Mece: strange |
| 14:35.36 | Khertan_ | Mece: ask to achipa ... maybe it can help |
| 14:35.39 | Khertan_ | you |
| 14:35.42 | Khertan_ | s/it/he |
| 14:36.06 | Mece | ~seen achipa |
| 14:36.10 | infobot | achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 1h 50m 16s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'. |
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| 14:38.21 | visz | loufoque, don't know if weatherbug is free or not |
| 14:38.33 | visz | apparently it's no longer on ovi |
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| 14:39.38 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 14:39.54 | loufoque | what is? |
| 14:39.56 | SpeedEvil | After watching half of top-gear - my display wedged, and now won't unblank or react to lock |
| 14:40.18 | SpeedEvil | oh - touching unblanked - but it's frozen on one image - even after killing browserd |
| 14:40.22 | loufoque | how do you watch top gear on your n900? |
| 14:40.57 | SpeedEvil | [89946.780700] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 14:40.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.00 | SpeedEvil | bbc iplayer |
| 14:41.13 | loufoque | so through flash? |
| 14:41.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:42.33 | loufoque | flash sux0rs |
| 14:42.55 | loufoque | though that appears to not be a flash bug |
| 14:43.47 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 14:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | eeew nasty |
| 14:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | hardware recovery - LOL |
| 14:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems it forgot to kill the adjacent process same time? |
| 14:46.48 | loufoque | that sygic maps thing, it's only a free trial and then you have to pay!? |
| 14:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | which would be, in this case, err... flash? |
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| 14:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | since when is flash hw accelerated? |
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| 14:48.43 | loufoque | since a long time ago |
| 14:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | thought I hear rant it isn't and won't ever be |
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| 14:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 |
| 14:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: ^^^ ? |
| 14:49.38 | woglinde | loufoque it isnt that long time |
| 14:49.44 | woglinde | last year for windows |
| 14:50.03 | timeless_mbp | please hold |
| 14:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | ...the line :-D |
| 14:50.56 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: 10.1 has hardware accell. |
| 14:51.14 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: But SGX is used for regular painting on the screen too. |
| 14:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | duh, so we got 10.1 on N900 now? |
| 14:51.22 | X-Fade | no ;) |
| 14:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | aah, ok. Now that makes sense |
| 14:51.56 | woglinde | 10.1 has hw accel for sgx |
| 14:51.58 | woglinde | wau |
| 14:52.15 | SpeedEvil | Is there any way I can submit a useful bugreport - does it dump info anywhere? |
| 14:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | nnnnh, not sure if that's exactly what X-Fade said |
| 14:52.38 | woglinde | wonders when flash 10.1 for n8x0 will come out |
| 14:52.47 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:52.52 | loufoque | N900 has OpenGL ES 2.0 |
| 14:52.57 | loufoque | and flash can use that afaik |
| 14:53.16 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: There is an internal bug for it at least. |
| 14:53.19 | Mece | gaddamm crap . this is seriously annoying. why don't i get an error when the rotation stuff fails.. grr. |
| 14:53.23 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: K |
| 14:53.29 | woglinde | loufoque so you are familiar with the internals of the flash-plugin |
| 14:53.33 | loufoque | Mece: what do you mean when the rotation fails |
| 14:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | has couldy memories of timeless_mbp elaborating on this in epic length |
| 14:53.48 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: flash isn't a process |
| 14:53.51 | loufoque | woglinde: no |
| 14:53.55 | timeless_mbp | it's just part of a browserd insitance |
| 14:54.00 | SpeedEvil | Flash is a disease! |
| 14:54.01 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:54.04 | Mece | well when it doesn't rotate., |
| 14:54.04 | loufoque | timeless_mbp: it is a process if you use chrome |
| 14:54.08 | SpeedEvil | wishes it was a process. |
| 14:54.10 | haj | DocScrutinizer: With the danger of being kicked for arguing with you again.. if you long-click a flashapplet and select settings you'll see that you can select hardware acceleration on and off on the N900... |
| 14:54.16 | timeless_mbp | loufoque: there's no Chrome for the n900 |
| 14:54.18 | loufoque | Mece: in what application? what context? |
| 14:54.25 | woglinde | hm what was thise side which converts flash to html5/javascript again |
| 14:54.28 | woglinde | smokesomething |
| 14:54.39 | loufoque | timeless_mbp: so you think |
| 14:54.46 | SpeedEvil | woglinde: It basically dies on n900 |
| 14:54.52 | haj | DocScrutinizer: don't know how much it does though.. :) |
| 14:54.58 | timeless_mbp | so when we talk about the n900, we aren't talking about Chrome |
| 14:54.59 | timeless_mbp | and people wouldn't be stupid enough to ask me for comments about Chromium |
| 14:54.59 | timeless_mbp | since I don't work on Chromium |
| 14:54.59 | timeless_mbp | loufoque: or "Get off my lawn!" |
| 14:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | me neither |
| 14:55.11 | woglinde | hehe |
| 14:55.17 | woglinde | I want chroium os |
| 14:55.29 | Mece | loufoque, in pyqt self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, True) |
| 14:55.36 | woglinde | just joking |
| 14:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: so has the flash implemetation we got now on N900 *any* special hw accel ? |
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| 14:56.17 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: bug #9150 |
| 14:56.18 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150 Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU |
| 14:56.23 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: for video? dunno, perhaps |
| 14:56.26 | timeless_mbp | i suppose i could ask |
| 14:56.34 | timeless_mbp | but SGX isn't DSP |
| 14:56.38 | timeless_mbp | SGX is just buggy Crap |
| 14:56.44 | haj | it does look a little different with hw acceleration on i think... :/ |
| 14:57.02 | timeless_mbp | SGX resets are an unfortunate thing that happen |
| 14:57.15 | timeless_mbp | iirc there were some attempts to resolve them, but they broke things :) |
| 14:57.18 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Ah - thanks |
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| 14:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: so who's master of SGX here? flash? X? |
| 14:58.33 | timeless_mbp | roughly X |
| 14:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | k, thanks. All I wanted to know |
| 14:58.55 | BCMM | what is SGX? |
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| 14:59.36 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 15:00.01 | PhonicUK | anyone know if sshd will allow incomming connections over GPRS/3G and if not, how to configure it to allow it? |
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| 15:00.40 | BCMM | PhonicUK: your network might be silly about it |
| 15:00.54 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: many networks will not allow inbound connections. |
| 15:00.57 | SpeedEvil | For good reasons. |
| 15:01.00 | BCMM | (i don't even get a proper ip) |
| 15:01.18 | PhonicUK | hmm |
| 15:01.29 | PhonicUK | I'm on T-Mobile UK |
| 15:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: if you're behind a NAT then you lose |
| 15:01.50 | PhonicUK | good point |
| 15:01.56 | BCMM | PhonicUK: well, check your ip |
| 15:01.56 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: Do you get lots of inbound packets wrecking your battery life from people scanning for vulns? |
| 15:02.10 | PhonicUK | nope, I only want this as a temporary thing |
| 15:02.12 | SpeedEvil | If not then you can't get inbound connections |
| 15:02.16 | BCMM | mine starts in 10 |
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| 15:02.35 | jaska | #define POWERVR_SERVICES_KEY "\\Registry\\Machine\\System\\CurrentControlSet\\Services\\PowerVR\\" <- nice stuff in that add_nokia_sgx_driver.patch :) |
| 15:02.47 | satmd | lol. |
| 15:02.48 | BCMM | PhonicUK: i have t mobile and a local ip so you are most likely out of luck |
| 15:03.08 | PhonicUK | WhatsMyIp shows as 217.154.25.22 |
| 15:03.09 | BCMM | PhonicUK: you can "reverse ssh" using a tunnel though |
| 15:03.19 | BCMM | PhonicUK: try ifconfig |
| 15:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: just compare your local IP (as of e.g. ifconfig) with the one an arbitrary info webpage or wiki shows |
| 15:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 15:04.08 | SpeedEvil | or apt-get install traceroute |
| 15:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 15:04.18 | PhonicUK | lol whoops I used Wifi to check xD |
| 15:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 15:05.04 | PhonicUK | 10.213.20.59 in ifconfig, 149.254.49.9 in whatsmyip, damnit NAT |
| 15:05.20 | PhonicUK | I'd have to use a UDP tunnel from both sides :\ |
| 15:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | usual standard |
| 15:05.38 | SpeedEvil | Or reverse ssh tunnel |
| 15:05.44 | PhonicUK | Can't do that :\ |
| 15:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | or vpn to a public box |
| 15:05.47 | SpeedEvil | I plan on setting that up at some point |
| 15:05.55 | PhonicUK | other side won't allow incomming connections xD |
| 15:05.58 | SpeedEvil | ssh out to a server somewhere. |
| 15:06.02 | PhonicUK | aye |
| 15:06.09 | SpeedEvil | this server then accepts and forwards connects to you |
| 15:06.25 | PhonicUK | I'm at work and I want to SSH into my device, but the work WiFi is a seperate network from the one the machines are on |
| 15:06.30 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 15:06.30 | woglinde | jaska lol |
| 15:06.46 | X-Fade | PhonicUK: usb cable ftw? |
| 15:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, vpn, or ssh... probably not much of a difference for that purpose |
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| 15:06.52 | woglinde | jasak this seems to come from poulsbo crap I guess |
| 15:07.00 | jaska | possible |
| 15:07.01 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: Do check you're not violating local policy with this. Circumventing network admins can get hairy. |
| 15:07.04 | PhonicUK | hmm, I hadnt thought about net-usb actually |
| 15:07.34 | PhonicUK | Theres nothing in the policy to stop me from SSH'ing to off-site machines |
| 15:07.41 | BCMM_ | i missed a bit fron 'net dropping out |
| 15:07.45 | PhonicUK | its pretty liberal |
| 15:07.56 | PhonicUK | What I can't do is create tunnels that would allow incomming connections |
| 15:08.12 | BCMM_ | do you get a real ip address from t mobile? |
| 15:08.20 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: solved - no |
| 15:08.30 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: basically - that would be a horribly bad idea. |
| 15:08.34 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: generally. |
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| 15:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:08.46 | PhonicUK | ah well its not important anyways |
| 15:08.48 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: check tcpdump or whatever on a machine exposed to the internet |
| 15:08.49 | BCMM_ | want ipv6... |
| 15:09.03 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: one packet every 30s will destroy battery life |
| 15:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | a configurable (or PnP) NAT was quite nice though |
| 15:09.15 | BCMM_ | should make the space big enough that random scans wouldn't hit much |
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| 15:09.20 | PhonicUK | I wonder if the T-Mobile NAT allows for uPnP |
| 15:09.23 | PhonicUK | probably not :\ |
| 15:09.29 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Or support signed packets |
| 15:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | for sure not |
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| 15:09.50 | BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: and i know, i sometimes read my ssh logs for amusement |
| 15:10.11 | BCMM_ | the names people seem to think are common... |
| 15:10.21 | satmd | hehe |
| 15:10.28 | loufoque | BCMM_: what do you want ipv6 for? |
| 15:11.11 | satmd | raises his hand... I have a v6-only network with v4-to-v6-translation on the gateway |
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| 15:12.20 | BCMM_ | loufoque: big enough space that A) there would be addresses for phones, and B) random scanning would be unfeasible |
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| 15:14.07 | loufoque | BCMM_: your 3G carrier isn't going to give you ipv6, you know |
| 15:14.20 | loufoque | and most wifis won't either |
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| 15:14.44 | BCMM | back again... |
| 15:14.53 | loufoque | BCMM: your 3G carrier isn't going to give you ipv6, you know |
| 15:14.54 | loufoque | and most wifis won't either |
| 15:16.13 | BCMM | loufoque: i mean, want a general switchover to occur |
| 15:16.31 | BCMM | i think the n900 does it already |
| 15:17.02 | loufoque | not the default kernel |
| 15:17.18 | BCMM | heh. |
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| 15:20.13 | frals | MohammadAG: ? noobmonk3y: ? |
| 15:20.22 | noobmonk3y | frals ? |
| 15:20.32 | loufoque | is there any battery applet without extras-testing? |
| 15:20.49 | frals | you highlighted me! |
| 15:21.28 | noobmonk3y | loufoque: not at the mo - but a few apps - http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=battery&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search |
| 15:21.32 | noobmonk3y | frals? |
| 15:21.40 | noobmonk3y | i always throw you about the place, was a long time ago! |
| 15:21.47 | BCMM | is there a maemo irc client that supports maemoish scrolling? |
| 15:22.04 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:22.06 | frals | bah! |
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| 15:22.10 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 15:22.11 | frals | returns to kitchen duty |
| 15:22.12 | BCMM | (as in, no scrollbar, drag contents up instead) |
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| 15:22.19 | noobmonk3y | thinks frals needs a new pinny |
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| 15:22.28 | loufoque | noobmonk3y: which one of these two is the best btw? |
| 15:22.54 | noobmonk3y | loufoque: what do you want it to do? i use battery eye - as it just works :) |
| 15:23.05 | noobmonk3y | battery graph just always seemed a bit too complex for my needs |
| 15:23.15 | noobmonk3y | even healthcheck will give you some battery info :P |
| 15:23.18 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: o that was you? |
| 15:23.31 | noobmonk3y | BCMM: not sure , doubt it |
| 15:23.41 | loufoque | noobmonk3y: having stats is always useful to analyse how I use my phone |
| 15:23.45 | luke-jr | loufoque: do 3G carriers usually block IPv6? 4G requires it |
| 15:23.52 | noobmonk3y | :) good point loufoque |
| 15:24.03 | sp3000 | noobmonk3y: also, it has perhaps the only eye-themed logo I've ever seen that doesn't look like ass |
| 15:24.17 | sp3000 | s//icon/, whichever |
| 15:24.21 | noobmonk3y | which app sp3000 ? |
| 15:24.30 | sp3000 | the one with the eye in the name, doh :) |
| 15:24.34 | noobmonk3y | ohhhh |
| 15:24.36 | noobmonk3y | battery eye |
| 15:24.42 | noobmonk3y | is slow, sun is out lol |
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| 15:25.22 | noobmonk3y | w0000p healthcheck hit 80k downloads.... time for a new version i feel |
| 15:25.26 | loufoque | luke-jr: there is such a thing as deployed 4G? |
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| 15:25.40 | luke-jr | loufoque: IIRC |
| 15:26.39 | frals | loufoque: we got LTE net deployed in .se |
| 15:26.51 | noobmonk3y | frals: sweden sucks ass |
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| 15:26.57 | noobmonk3y | grins, giggles and jumps about |
| 15:27.15 | noobmonk3y | actually you lot are quite often first in the world of tech these days :P |
| 15:27.21 | loufoque | frals: what kind of devices support it? |
| 15:27.22 | jaska | sadly |
| 15:27.34 | loufoque | sweden doesn't suck as bad as norway |
| 15:27.35 | timeless_mbp | loufoque: btw, how can you possibly complain that a company spent money making a decent map application and wants to run a business selling it |
| 15:27.37 | noobmonk3y | loufoque: 4g dongles for now i thought? |
| 15:27.56 | timeless_mbp | they might even be nice enough to give you a trial, so you can decide that it's worth your money |
| 15:27.59 | loufoque | timeless_mbp: I'm simply looking for a free alternative |
| 15:28.01 | timeless_mbp | instead of just taking it in advance |
| 15:28.04 | timeless_mbp | Mappero |
| 15:28.17 | Arkenoi | we have deployed wimax |
| 15:28.24 | Arkenoi | but nokia dropped wimax support |
| 15:28.27 | frals | loufoque: a few modems on the market support it |
| 15:28.45 | frals | as in dongles |
| 15:28.50 | timeless_mbp | there are probably 20-30 WiMax deployments in the world |
| 15:29.24 | jaska | oh how i remember the hype days of wimax |
| 15:29.34 | jaska | back in early 200x |
| 15:29.35 | frals | kinda funny, theres a flying baloonzeppelinthingy which says "Welcome to the 4G Zone" pretty close to my uni |
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| 15:30.19 | noobmonk3y | frals: lay of the weed |
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| 15:30.49 | loufoque | oh mappero is in extras-testing now |
| 15:31.00 | loufoque | maybe I should enable that repository in the end |
| 15:31.26 | jaska | the ovi map downloader thingy downloads voices too... theyre wavs |
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| 15:34.36 | luke-jr | loufoque: AFAIK, Sprint has deployed 4G somewhat |
| 15:35.14 | loufoque | if you can give me worldwide unlimited 4G, I'll be so happy I'll give everyone in the channel a free beer |
| 15:35.50 | SwedeMike | loufoque: that'll take a long time before that happens. |
| 15:36.20 | pupnik | very funny: from openpandora forums "The Device Customer" http://www.fullsack.com/images/rocky0B.jpg |
| 15:37.36 | loufoque | pupnik: idgi |
| 15:37.37 | luke-jr | loufoque: you can't get worldwide unlimited anything |
| 15:37.45 | luke-jr | loufoque: there's no 3G where I live, for example |
| 15:37.50 | pupnik | ? |
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| 15:38.06 | jaska | no 3g here either, not even edge, and im in .fi :) |
| 15:39.30 | SwedeMike | because different telcos around the world have different business models, getting a flat rate anything is next to impossible. |
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| 15:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | jaska: living i a cave? |
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| 15:43.57 | jaska | docscrutinizer: nah, just not in a city, and im using the operator that has crappier 3g coverage (read: nonexistent outside cities), the other operator had poor voice service back in 90s |
| 15:44.32 | loufoque | installs Qt |
| 15:44.37 | loufoque | loses 7 MB |
| 15:45.21 | loufoque | SwedeMike: they need to understand they should be nothing more than dumb pipes |
| 15:46.41 | pupnik | dumb pipes get congested |
| 15:47.09 | jaska | haha, and the operator is going to try to stop providing unlimited data, guess i might as well get rid of having a cell phone contract and just use email |
| 15:47.23 | SwedeMike | loufoque: that's nothing they strive for. |
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| 15:51.53 | loufoque | timeless_mbp: can mappero work offline as well? |
| 15:52.04 | timeless_mbp | it should |
| 15:52.08 | timeless_mbp | its predecessor in name only did |
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| 15:54.47 | roquetto | re |
| 15:54.59 | Arkenoi | how can i recover my IM and email passwords from n900? I have two i forgot good enough which i do not want to reset.. are they in gconf somewhere? |
| 15:55.52 | roquetto | I would appreciate if someone could give me a hand on this: I got maemo sdk installed on a 32-bit vm, armel target set - but i get lots of qemu errors like this: |
| 15:56.04 | roquetto | getsockopt level=1 optname=17 not yet supported |
| 15:56.04 | roquetto | GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 15:56.10 | roquetto | then it segfaults |
| 15:56.19 | roquetto | does anyone have any clue on what's going on? |
| 15:56.25 | roquetto | or how I could investigate better? |
| 15:56.38 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: there's a microb extension which includes a password manager from gecko iirc |
| 15:56.51 | timeless_mbp | or you could copy the profile to a desktop computer and use firefox to view them |
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| 15:56.58 | roquetto | btw maybe the fact that there is no D-Bus daemon running might be related to a crash after af-sb-init.sh start is called? |
| 15:57.02 | timeless_mbp | that's assuming you're using the browser to do IM and email |
| 15:57.14 | timeless_mbp | if you actually mean IM and email |
| 15:57.18 | timeless_mbp | has no idea |
| 15:57.18 | loufoque | timeless_mbp: can't find how to download maps |
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| 15:57.45 | Arkenoi | timeless_mbp, not site passwords, but ones i use for email and IM accounts |
| 15:58.05 | Arkenoi | yep, i actually mean im and email ;-) |
| 15:58.39 | timeless_mbp | tap the title, select maps, select managemaps |
| 15:58.45 | timeless_mbp | the dialog is kinda wonky |
| 15:59.00 | timeless_mbp | but you pick an area, the zoom levels and tell it to download |
| 15:59.03 | timeless_mbp | it probably does what you want |
| 15:59.24 | timeless_mbp | you might be able to use the repositories and 'sync' buttons |
| 15:59.49 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 15:59.56 | timeless_mbp | i'm not saying mappero's ui is perfect |
| 16:00.02 | timeless_mbp | Maep's ui is much simpler and shinier |
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| 16:02.53 | loufoque | how do you disable the nokia hands video already? |
| 16:03.13 | ToJa92 | [loufoque]: Easiest way would be PowaTool, I think it's in extras-devel though |
| 16:03.37 | jaska | edit /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf with vi (or nano?) and put a # in front of the filename= line |
| 16:03.51 | loufoque | thanks jaska |
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| 16:07.18 | kokosz | hey peeps... are you experiencing seemingly random shut downs after upgrading to 1.2 ? |
| 16:07.57 | SpeedEvil | what does cat /proc/bootreason say after a shutdown? |
| 16:08.15 | SpeedEvil | and no |
| 16:08.17 | kokosz | I'll have to check |
| 16:08.35 | kokosz | it's happened couple of times |
| 16:08.42 | loufoque | where can I find the bzip2 package? |
| 16:09.57 | ZogG | who highlighted me? |
| 16:09.57 | SpeedEvil | it's in one of the repos loufoque |
| 16:09.57 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: try tools maybe |
| 16:09.58 | loufoque | i've got everything but extras-devel |
| 16:09.59 | SpeedEvil | How can I tell where a package came from? |
| 16:10.04 | SpeedEvil | devel and tools |
| 16:10.45 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe sdk |
| 16:11.57 | BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 16:12.44 | SpeedEvil | dpkg -l |grep bzip2 |
| 16:12.45 | SpeedEvil | ii bzip2 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities |
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| 16:13.04 | loufoque | how come I've got lots of missing packages |
| 16:13.04 | SpeedEvil | err- no |
| 16:13.13 | loufoque | is it because there is less stuff for PR1.2? |
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| 16:18.31 | SpeedEvil | How do I set my profile picture on maemo.org? I've signed in - clicked on my profile - and I see no way to edit it. |
| 16:19.06 | ToJa92 | Have you tried changing forum profile? |
| 16:19.54 | SpeedEvil | you mean talk profile? |
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| 16:20.01 | ToJa92 | Yeah |
| 16:20.08 | wall[e] | SpeedEvil, apt-cache policy package |
| 16:20.22 | wall[e] | i think |
| 16:20.25 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=24189 - me looking all hot. http://maemo.org/profile/view/speedevil/ - blank! |
| 16:20.26 | wall[e] | tries |
| 16:20.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh noes! |
| 16:21.05 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 16:21.13 | mikki-kun | hm, where do i set start-up commands to be executed on the n900? i can't either locate rc.local nor something like local.start ;/ |
| 16:21.21 | wall[e] | well, only work if you didn't already have it installed |
| 16:22.04 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:22.13 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Depends when |
| 16:22.20 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Once X has come u? |
| 16:22.21 | SpeedEvil | p |
| 16:22.37 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: so how can I install bzip2? |
| 16:22.50 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: hm... most likely i'll be looking for that |
| 16:22.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.12 | mikki-kun | thanks :) |
| 16:23.17 | SpeedEvil | Add something in the '80' range and it'll come up when everything else is done |
| 16:23.34 | SpeedEvil | Add an '01' and it starts before the little blobs |
| 16:24.22 | vldcnst | Arkenoi: gconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts |
| 16:25.01 | mikki-kun | hm... it would be a small script in allowing a certain frequency in titan's ideal kernel and changing the max to 600... you maybe know when that is done? |
| 16:26.40 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/6CifeZcb loufoque |
| 16:26.44 | SpeedEvil | My repos file |
| 16:26.49 | SpeedEvil | It's in one of these. |
| 16:27.02 | SpeedEvil | I can't work out how to determine which. |
| 16:27.09 | SpeedEvil | Well - I probably could - but... |
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| 16:27.19 | SpeedEvil | I have more important stuff to do. |
| 16:27.28 | SpeedEvil | returns to vacuuming his belly-button. |
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| 16:29.57 | loufoque | according to this http://maemo.org/packages/view/bzip2/ |
| 16:30.10 | loufoque | it's in Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2) |
| 16:30.13 | loufoque | which one is that |
| 16:31.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - look at my above paste |
| 16:31.06 | SpeedEvil | tehre is on ly one with ssu in the name |
| 16:31.08 | SpeedEvil | copy that lien |
| 16:31.18 | loufoque | there are two |
| 16:31.22 | loufoque | one I already have |
| 16:31.44 | SpeedEvil | have you tried apt-get install bzip23? |
| 16:31.47 | SpeedEvil | 2 |
| 16:33.28 | loufoque | yes, no such package |
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| 16:35.07 | loufoque | hmm this didn't change anything |
| 16:36.39 | vldcnst | Arkenoi: succes? |
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| 16:40.34 | Arkenoi | vldcnst, nope, no passwords there |
| 16:41.19 | vldcnst | Strange, thats where my password is stored. PR 1.2? |
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| 16:42.23 | vldcnst | Also, what version did you have when you added the email account? |
| 16:42.50 | Arkenoi | yep |
| 16:42.53 | Arkenoi | 1.1.1 |
| 16:43.43 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: I enabled almost all of those you gave, still no bzip2 |
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| 16:44.41 | vldcnst | Arkenoi: did you try /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg ? I don't remember if they fixed that after or before 1.1 |
| 16:45.12 | SpeedEvil | you did update ? |
| 16:45.19 | SpeedEvil | go to the app-manager - click update |
| 16:46.56 | loufoque | I did apt-get update |
| 16:47.51 | SpeedEvil | I'm not completeyl sure that does the same thing |
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| 16:50.50 | loufoque | i tried both anyway |
| 16:51.04 | Arkenoi | vldcnst, settings seem to be there but passwords are not |
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| 16:55.15 | dannym | loufoque: strange... try "apt-cache search bzip2" or something to find out whether it has a weird name (?) |
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| 16:59.18 | loufoque | I get fbreader, p7zip-full and libbz2-1.0 |
| 16:59.59 | loufoque | libbz2-1.0 is the library bzip2 uses |
| 17:01.49 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install bzip2 just works here |
| 17:02.44 | TomaszD | someone wanted something from me? scrollback ran out |
| 17:02.46 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, ? |
| 17:03.19 | satmd | 3h22 ago, x-fade |
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| 17:04.05 | slonopotamus | -.- |
| 17:04.10 | loufoque | maybe it's extras-devel |
| 17:04.13 | loufoque | didn't add this one |
| 17:04.49 | dannym | loufoque: maybe, though SSU is supposed the "very safe" updates... |
| 17:04.57 | dannym | loufoque: but it doesn't hurt to try :) |
| 17:05.57 | loufoque | I can't install foreca either |
| 17:06.06 | loufoque | I suppose that was in the non-1.2 ovi repo |
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| 17:13.06 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: ? |
| 17:13.23 | satmd | confusing series of hilights ;D |
| 17:13.45 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: no, not me - guy you pinged in the morning maybe? |
| 17:13.57 | loufoque | still no bzip2 :( |
| 17:14.21 | TomaszD | well I regularly ping zaheerm since he tends to disappear on me mid sentence |
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| 17:18.58 | zaheerm | TomaszD, yah sorry bout that work has been very hectic and i often can't have my irc client active |
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| 17:19.59 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, you're at home already? |
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| 17:23.12 | loufoque | is it safe to use apt-get instead of the graphical application manager? |
| 17:24.44 | TomaszD | it's safe, but not recommended, as supposedly appman does some additional magic |
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| 17:25.05 | savant42 | do most things from apt-get get optified? |
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| 17:39.55 | Tobarja_n810 | looking for suggestion of a way to get popup notifications on my n810 sourced preferrably from a polled email account |
| 17:40.12 | luke-jr | ... |
| 17:40.20 | luke-jr | polling = lame |
| 17:40.35 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 17:40.40 | timeless_mbp | portrait picture viewer almost works |
| 17:40.56 | timeless_mbp | except for the fact that the standalone image toolbar is fixed positioned instead of centered :( |
| 17:43.00 | Tobarja_n810 | i'd like to get backup failure and other system notices. email is the easiest source, but i could pobably massage that to something else. the primary part of the question is how to notify me on my nit |
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| 17:47.28 | wall[e] | is there a way to download map from ubuntu? |
| 17:47.31 | wall[e] | wine? |
| 17:48.16 | microlith | not sure what you're trying to do? |
| 17:48.56 | wall[e] | download map but it needs nokia pc suite |
| 17:49.05 | microlith | oh |
| 17:50.49 | TomaszD | this is cool http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/nokias-15-bike-charger-will-abide/ |
| 17:52.31 | mc_teo`` | hey, does irssi have tab completion? |
| 17:52.45 | mc_teo`` | irssi on n900, not just irssi in general |
| 17:53.18 | Surfa | can't see reason why not |
| 17:53.23 | wao | me neither |
| 17:53.32 | mc_teo`` | i dont see why not either |
| 17:53.38 | mc_teo`` | hence the asking |
| 17:54.17 | Surfa | when porting something, it doesn't really make sense removing such functionality.. |
| 17:54.27 | Surfa | but, you never know :) |
| 17:54.38 | wall[e] | on xchat it uses shift-space something right? |
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| 17:55.08 | mc_teo`` | yeah |
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| 17:55.33 | mc_teo`` | my friend tried it in irssi, and it didnt work |
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| 17:57.33 | mikki-kun | mc_teo``: you should have the onscreen "tab" though and that works... |
| 17:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: depends on your key bindings in xchat settings |
| 17:58.25 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, aha, thanks. |
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| 17:59.19 | loufoque_ | I'm having the bug with the music applet again, can't play anything from the desktop |
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| 17:59.46 | loufoque_ | it had been fixed when I used PR1.2 the first time |
| 18:00.50 | wall[e] | any german know how to pronounce zwei? |
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| 18:01.13 | wall[e] | ok. |
| 18:01.27 | wall[e] | my new game will be called Her Dog Smiles |
| 18:01.53 | wall[e] | will use farm theme, but the game is like Herzog Zwei |
| 18:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: wut? |
| 18:02.47 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, working on 3d engine and will build a game over it. |
| 18:03.09 | wall[e] | er |
| 18:03.14 | wall[e] | wut == what? :) |
| 18:03.20 | dmj726_devel | lardman: I'm having some trouble with autoconf for my camera app. It seems it won't find gst-camerabin |
| 18:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | yep :-) |
| 18:03.27 | wall[e] | hehe ok |
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| 18:03.48 | wall[e] | will be something like, big bird carrying animals around |
| 18:04.01 | wall[e] | throwing stones against the other side. |
| 18:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: t's-why |
| 18:04.35 | wall[e] | zwei ? |
| 18:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:04.44 | wall[e] | ok, thanks. |
| 18:05.20 | wall[e] | ok, get back on the engine. |
| 18:06.15 | dmj726_devel | http://pastebin.org/303919 |
| 18:07.18 | wall[e] | it's funny, yesterday i code 1k line of code with hwkb |
| 18:07.32 | wall[e] | a quadtree |
| 18:08.08 | wall[e] | that's more than my average. |
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| 18:10.05 | nocturnal | i'm trying to find the vmware images to develop for fremantle on os x but failing. http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_fremantle_and_diablo_sdk_virtual_image_final_version_released/ the link referenced here does not contain any images |
| 18:10.10 | nocturnal | only flasher binaries |
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| 18:12.54 | Tobarja_n810 | so there's no good way to get quickly notified of new mail? |
| 18:13.01 | jacekowski | nocturnal: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vmware+scratchbox+maemo |
| 18:13.12 | jacekowski | Tobarja_n810: jabber |
| 18:14.00 | nocturnal | jacekowski: yeah i've found some for diablo |
| 18:14.10 | nocturnal | with similar queries |
| 18:14.13 | nocturnal | but not fremantle |
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| 18:14.23 | nocturnal | oh wait sorry |
| 18:14.26 | nocturnal | diablo/fremantle |
| 18:14.29 | jacekowski | nocturnal: that's freemantle and diablo in same image |
| 18:14.36 | nocturnal | yeah i saw that now |
| 18:14.50 | nocturnal | but the link still goes to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 18:14.54 | nocturnal | and i can't see any images there |
| 18:14.58 | nocturnal | just dmg files for flasher |
| 18:15.13 | jacekowski | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
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| 18:15.18 | nocturnal | oh it's under old downloads |
| 18:15.22 | jacekowski | that's 1st link on my google |
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| 18:15.34 | nocturnal | jacekowski: yes i know but that Download link goes to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 18:15.38 | nocturnal | which has no images |
| 18:15.41 | nocturnal | but they're under OLD downloads |
| 18:15.48 | nocturnal | saw that now |
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| 18:16.13 | vldcnst | slaps SpeedEvil around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:16.17 | vldcnst | pesimistic! |
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| 18:17.56 | SpeedEvil | ? |
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| 18:19.42 | Tobarja_n810 | jacekowski: that looks like a suitable method. thanks |
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| 18:27.11 | Aranel | Some guy posted a link for Ovi Suite 2.2 on my forum it links to somewhere called narod.ru . I wonder if it's legally ok to share that link or not. If it's not, I'll remove that post :) |
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| 18:29.05 | wall[e] | losing mem |
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| 18:31.15 | GAN900 | Aranel, well, dunno about jurisdictional legalities |
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| 18:31.45 | GAN900 | Aranel, but it's almost certainly against the agreement of the person who originally received it. |
| 18:32.28 | GAN900 | Aranel, it's probably NOT legal in the US fwiw. |
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| 18:33.03 | Gizmokid2005 | GAN900: assuming it's not modified and he's not doing it for money, it's legal. |
| 18:33.07 | loufoque_ | Aranel: what's ovi suite? |
| 18:33.19 | Gizmokid2005 | well, and it's free that is. |
| 18:34.35 | Aranel | loufoque_: it's a PC application for your Nokia, you can upgrade fw, write/read sms etc. |
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| 18:36.57 | Aranel | ok then, I'm gonna remove that post. Checked Maemo Talk and they're doing the same thing. |
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| 18:41.12 | Zahra | why search tab does not exist in app manager on PR 1.2? |
| 18:41.27 | Gizmokid2005 | Zahra: because its find as you type now |
| 18:41.57 | Zahra | ow ok! good!:D |
| 18:42.03 | Gizmokid2005 | it's nice :) |
| 18:42.23 | Zahra | but virtual keyboard become ugly! |
| 18:42.51 | crashanddie | GAN900: what legality? |
| 18:43.05 | crashanddie | (translation: context?) |
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| 18:43.38 | crashanddie | oh sorry, I have the context |
| 18:44.16 | crashanddie | Aranel: in doubt, you should remove it. Why is he providing a link to a russian website? Why not get it from Nokia directly? |
| 18:46.31 | Aranel | crashanddie: thought so and removed it already :) |
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| 18:49.33 | SpeedEvil | awaits someone to get lipreading working on the front camera. |
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| 18:57.24 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: in what language? |
| 18:57.29 | joorin | quick repository/package question: how do i add a nifty icon that will show up on a page like http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/ ? have i overlooked some part of the project page? |
| 18:58.48 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: All of them! Autodetected, of course. |
| 18:58.53 | crashanddie | right |
| 18:59.25 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: It's a pity the webcam isn't really good enough for gaze tracking |
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| 19:02.20 | Ro9u3oR | Greetings |
| 19:02.47 | Ro9u3oR | Can anyone tell me if Kismet will work successfully on a N900 |
| 19:05.01 | pupnik | yes |
| 19:05.40 | joorin | pupnik, you can tell him or it does work? ;) |
| 19:06.04 | Ro9u3oR | Thank you |
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| 19:06.26 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 19:06.57 | xDaReaperx | is it possible to check the temperature of the N900 ? |
| 19:07.20 | SpeedEvil | Sortof. |
| 19:07.33 | SpeedEvil | There is a battery meter chip which has a temperature device in it. |
| 19:07.35 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 19:08.10 | SpeedEvil | titan's power kernel has a driver - modprobe bq27x00 - and look around /sys/class/battery/ or something for a temperature (in kelvin) |
| 19:08.36 | joorin | speedevil, in Kelvin? thats novel. |
| 19:09.04 | SpeedEvil | lives some 25 miles from where Lord Kelvin discovered solitons. |
| 19:09.09 | pupnik | joorin: i thought of it literally firvst too |
| 19:09.31 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 19:10.26 | SpeedEvil | Wikipedia claims it was John Russel. |
| 19:10.57 | Arkenoi | wrote bq27x00_battery into /etc/modules |
| 19:11.44 | joorin | arkenoi, did you get 300K when you did a reading? |
| 19:11.57 | joorin | or, 330K perhaps. |
| 19:12.21 | joorin | has no idea about idle heat. |
| 19:13.12 | Arkenoi | i get quite realistic values |
| 19:13.12 | SpeedEvil | This is _not_ the temperature of the CPU |
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| 19:14.03 | joorin | speedevil, battery temperature, i got that, but since at least my device gets hot as a bat out of hellas when i use WiFi heavily, i thought it might be a good approximation. |
| 19:14.12 | Arkenoi | but those are in celsius, not kelvin |
| 19:14.39 | Arkenoi | ~ $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp |
| 19:14.40 | Arkenoi | 29 |
| 19:14.50 | SpeedEvil | the chip outputs kelvin |
| 19:14.58 | SpeedEvil | It must be converted in that driver |
| 19:15.07 | SpeedEvil | My hottest is 331k |
| 19:15.09 | joorin | speedevil, i do wonder how they calibrated it... ;) |
| 19:15.42 | SpeedEvil | It's specified accuracy by TI |
| 19:15.45 | SpeedEvil | not calibrated |
| 19:15.53 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, that's much. mine does not go higher than 45C |
| 19:16.25 | joorin | speedevil, do they offer some lower limit of what it can measure? |
| 19:16.44 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:16.51 | joorin | speedevil, my joe being that at 0k, measuring becomes a tad academical. |
| 19:16.57 | joorin | "my joke" |
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| 19:18.47 | SpeedEvil | -20 to 70C |
| 19:19.23 | joorin | speedevil, ok. im guessing thats mid range for a chip based sensor. |
| 19:20.49 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: I think that was hen sitting int he sun while listening to internet radio |
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| 19:24.10 | TomaszD | X-Fade, ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gst-plugins-bad0.10-musepack_0.10.19-maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 19:25.07 | joorin | so, noone know how to add an icon to the package view page? ;( |
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| 19:25.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: how would I possibly 'install the python module' for xchat? |
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| 19:31.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | LP5523 also has a temp sensor |
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| 19:33.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | alledegly BSI is depending on temp of cell, but I doubt that's true |
| 19:33.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess twl5030 also has a temp sensor |
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| 19:37.46 | SpeedEvil | the SoC reportedly has one too - but it's not recommended for use, so may not work. |
| 19:38.29 | b-man|laptop | gah - i hate xchat sometimes :P |
| 19:39.01 | b-man|laptop | i got tcc (Tiny C Compiler) working on the N900 :) |
| 19:40.19 | b-man|laptop | tested a simple hello.c program and it seems to work well :) |
| 19:40.30 | joorin | b-man, any obvious advantage over gcc apart from size? |
| 19:40.39 | loufoque_ | SpeedEvil: can you install ioquake3 or do you get missing packages errors? |
| 19:40.47 | b-man|laptop | it's 9 times faster |
| 19:40.58 | Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: on maemo.org it talks about installing maemo-pan , but i dont see it in the repos |
| 19:41.10 | Xisdibik | for getting bluetooth-pan working |
| 19:41.35 | b-man|laptop | and it's ISOC99 compliant |
| 19:41.44 | xDaReaperx | damn you guys saw the n900 scrath test ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs , the screen is more vulnerable to scratch as compared to the n97 and iPhone |
| 19:41.56 | joorin | b-man, nice! |
| 19:43.05 | Xisdibik | xDaReaperx: i cant see the scratches on my screen over the fingerprints xD |
| 19:43.14 | b-man|laptop | joorin: apparently it's even possible to compile an entire kernel with it using a wrapper (although it hasn't been tested) |
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| 19:43.28 | xDaReaperx | is there a screen protector for the n900 ? |
| 19:43.37 | Xisdibik | xDaReaperx: yes |
| 19:43.43 | Xisdibik | xDaReaperx: but i dont use one |
| 19:43.53 | xDaReaperx | oh , i want one |
| 19:43.54 | joorin | b-man, thats impressive knowing how much special care the kernel needs. |
| 19:44.06 | b-man|laptop | indeed |
| 19:46.28 | alterego | I, erm, can't believe I didn't notice that Forum Nokia Maemo comp |
| 19:46.33 | alterego | Anyone here got any submissions? |
| 19:46.44 | alterego | I have 10 days to hack together an idea I've got :(S |
| 19:46.58 | alterego | And by 10, I mean 6 ^.^ |
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| 19:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | maemo comp? |
| 19:51.50 | joorin | alterego, 6 days is ok depending on scope. weekend soon. |
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| 19:56.23 | alterego | joorin: not too bad, I'm unemployed at the moment. |
| 19:56.32 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/50-000-for-the-best-maemo-qt-nokia-n900-apps-and-more/ |
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| 19:58.13 | joorin | alterego, ah, "self employment" at its finest. ;) |
| 19:58.38 | joorin | but, Qt, no, not for me. |
| 19:58.38 | alterego | joorin: got made redundant a couple of weeks ago, so I'm just taking it easy, hacking some maemo apps |
| 19:59.06 | joorin | alterego, always important to keep the skills alive while not selling ones body to an employer. |
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| 19:59.30 | alterego | Indeed, |
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| 19:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: darn, the original site didn't even mention maemo - at least I haven't seen it http://www.callingallinnovators.com/about_the_contest.aspx |
| 20:00.18 | hume | hi... I have an N900 with a 16GB removable SD-card - how can i format that card with the N900? It seems to be corrupt |
| 20:00.47 | SpeedEvil | hume: how much of a linux clue to you have. |
| 20:00.56 | hume | SpeedEvil, much |
| 20:00.59 | SpeedEvil | Also - why not just pull it, and format it externally |
| 20:01.05 | SpeedEvil | ok - sfdisk is on there |
| 20:01.09 | SpeedEvil | and mkfs.vfat |
| 20:01.10 | hume | ok |
| 20:01.14 | SpeedEvil | or is it mkdosfs |
| 20:01.22 | hume | no nice gui for the lazy? |
| 20:01.28 | SpeedEvil | don't think so |
| 20:01.30 | SpeedEvil | may be wrong |
| 20:01.46 | hume | could be the reason for me not finding any....:) |
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| 20:02.26 | hume | would it be stuipd to format it while USB-connected? use a linux computer |
| 20:02.27 | ShadowJK | file manager, long tap on memory card, format |
| 20:02.38 | ShadowJK | if memory card at all appears there.. |
| 20:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA - ""The top 25 submissions... will need to ensure that their applications have been thoroughly tested using one of two remote device access services, – either Remote Device Access from Forum Nokia, or Forum Nokia Virtual Developer Lab |
| 20:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | "" |
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| 20:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | now, I guess that's rather prohibitive for maemo apps to apply XP |
| 20:03.37 | hume | SpeedEvil, |
| 20:03.44 | hume | ShadowJK, thx |
| 20:04.50 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I don't understand what that means? |
| 20:05.05 | alterego | Does that mean it's not worth me "submitting" my app/s? |
| 20:05.11 | mece | ~sdk |
| 20:05.12 | infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
| 20:05.21 | mece | err.. |
| 20:05.22 | jaska | o.O |
| 20:05.26 | mece | ~maemosdk |
| 20:05.26 | infobot | maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 20:05.34 | mece | thanks infobot |
| 20:06.02 | joorin | mece, you know how to speak to robots. strong! ;) |
| 20:06.32 | pupnik | you make sun go away. you powahful |
| 20:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: I just don't see how to test a maemo app on a remote virtual device testing facility that doesn't support maemo/N900 |
| 20:07.30 | mece | do I need to reinstall sdk to get the pr1.2 crap, or can one do some kind of dist upgrade on that frakker? |
| 20:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | or, wait, does that mean they REALLY made n900 work in their robot racks? |
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| 20:07.35 | Xisdibik | Hey DocScrutinizer are you familiar with bluetooth PAN on the n900? |
| 20:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, not really |
| 20:07.54 | Xisdibik | boo, no one is :/ |
| 20:08.05 | Xisdibik | dont you guys wanna tether your phone :P |
| 20:08.12 | hume | anyone of you here know if there has turned up a way to use BT keyboards as there was with the N800? I can link my Nokia BT keyboard, but only use some of the keys |
| 20:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | nah, got all I need *inside* of the device :-D |
| 20:08.57 | Xisdibik | DocScrutinizer: heh, curse you! :P |
| 20:10.04 | TomaszD | can anyone help https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gst-plugins-bad0.10-musepack_0.10.19-maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 20:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | hume: I heard it works with pretty much all BT kbds *except* original Nokia ones |
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| 20:10.22 | hume | DocScrutinizer, ok...that was new to me.... when I bought it there was something with lack of support for full keyboards, hence problems with control keys and for me, swedish characters |
| 20:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | Xisdibik: I had PAN working on N810, guess that won't help you out |
| 20:10.35 | hume | DocScrutinizer, got any idea of where you saw that? |
| 20:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | hume: here in this chan |
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| 20:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | some days ago |
| 20:10.57 | hume | Do-m-pie, ok |
| 20:11.01 | hume | DocScrutinizer, ok |
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| 20:11.29 | Xisdibik | DocScrutinizer: on the maemo.org site it talked about getting maemo-pan package, but I dont see it in the repos anywhere |
| 20:11.42 | ShadowJK | I vaguely remember bt keyboard threads on talk too |
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| 20:11.42 | hume | DocScrutinizer, got any idea on why? if some BT keyboards, so why not all? |
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| 20:12.13 | hume | ShadowJK, you mean in the web forum? |
| 20:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | hume: sorry, no. probably Nokia BT kbd stack is borked |
| 20:13.09 | loufoque_ | anyone knows what's the difference between the UK firmware and the vanilla one? |
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| 20:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | hume: talk.maemo.org |
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| 20:13.39 | mece | aaw feck. |
| 20:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | hume: so yes |
| 20:13.52 | alterego | Well, that was damn annoying. |
| 20:14.01 | hume | thx |
| 20:14.02 | alterego | Did I miss anything? After what you said about remote testing DocScrutinizer ? |
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| 20:14.35 | johnsq | Hi |
| 20:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: not teally, except me wondering if they might have managed to get N900 into their device zoo |
| 20:14.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | s/tea/rea/ |
| 20:14.59 | alterego | I don't think you need to, I think you can just upload it .. |
| 20:15.21 | ShadowJK | hume: yeah |
| 20:15.30 | alterego | I'm going to enter anyway :) |
| 20:15.41 | alterego | I've got nothing to lose ;) |
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| 20:16.46 | woglinde | jo |
| 20:16.49 | woglinde | re |
| 20:17.01 | woglinde | lol 3 diffrent gma500 drivers now from intel |
| 20:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: as everybody was so encourraging, I actually pondered to apply with hostmode/h-e-n, but that's really somewhat OT and not exactly "usefull and tested" yet :-P |
| 20:17.05 | woglinde | this so stupid |
| 20:17.35 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: ooo, yeah, I'm sure that'd win something. Maybe Productivity? |
| 20:17.35 | *** part/#maemo simoneb_ (~simone@151.59.218.159) |
| 20:17.42 | alterego | I'm going for the Multimedia category. |
| 20:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | sure, productivity if anything |
| 20:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | but it's pre-beta |
| 20:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | and not exactly an app |
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| 20:18.18 | ZeNz0r | hi all ^^ |
| 20:18.24 | alterego | Yeah, well, you get judged on the version you upload, so you've got 6 days to sort it out! :P |
| 20:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | it's so meta it probably will earn a special price on its own category |
| 20:18.59 | alterego | :D |
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| 20:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | $7.99 |
| 20:19.10 | alterego | Hahah |
| 20:19.16 | alterego | Are you still contemplating entering it then? |
| 20:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | not really, though the many zeros before the . are quite tempting XP |
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| 20:20.20 | alterego | Hah |
| 20:20.35 | hume | ShadowJK, thanks, looks promising, although some work is needed |
| 20:20.41 | alterego | I think, if I get the idea I'm working on done, I might be in with a good chance. |
| 20:20.49 | alterego | I think it's a cool app that a lot of people will enjoy. |
| 20:21.12 | kevinm2k_ | anyone have any experience making a listview in python for n900? |
| 20:21.17 | alterego | Not going to charge for it though :) |
| 20:22.08 | ZeNz0r | guys i need a little help installing apps... it app manager says: "Aplication packages missing: python2.5-minimal(=2.5.4-1maemo6)" any clues on how to get that package? |
| 20:22.34 | kevinm2k_ | ok what about attaching a custom widget in to a qlistwidgetitem ? |
| 20:22.57 | kevinm2k_ | # |
| 20:23.08 | woglinde | ZeNz0r what package is this and where did you got it? |
| 20:23.47 | ZeNz0r | im trying to install apps after i flashed pr1.2... im getting this error on hermes, seriesfinale, battery-eye and more |
| 20:23.59 | ZeNz0r | im guessig its a base library |
| 20:24.14 | ZeNz0r | it says the package is missing |
| 20:24.34 | woglinde | hm the apps are from extra or extra-testing? |
| 20:24.40 | ZeNz0r | extras |
| 20:24.45 | woglinde | open a console |
| 20:24.58 | woglinde | and type apt-cache show python2.5-minimal |
| 20:25.07 | woglinde | pastebin the output |
| 20:25.11 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 20:25.12 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 20:25.12 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: Either way, I'm not going to start it until I've completed my current project: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ |
| 20:26.31 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I've got it running on my N900, it's been working really well over today. Just doing some tidying now, then I'm going to debianize and upload :) |
| 20:26.35 | alterego | (to extras) |
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| 20:28.25 | woglinde | ZeNz0r hm latest offical python-minimal is python-minimal 2.5.2-3maemo |
| 20:28.35 | ZeNz0r | http://pastebin.com/tmZGWp1M |
| 20:28.41 | woglinde | so seems this apps where build against something diffrent |
| 20:28.59 | woglinde | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-minimal/ |
| 20:29.16 | woglinde | hm intressting |
| 20:29.47 | woglinde | okay |
| 20:29.57 | woglinde | ~lart stupid webfrontend |
| 20:29.57 | infobot | moos at stupid webfrontend |
| 20:30.58 | ZeNz0r | should i install the latest package? |
| 20:31.13 | ZeNz0r | and do i get it from the link u just sent me? |
| 20:31.35 | woglinde | no |
| 20:31.42 | woglinde | the link shows only the 1.1 stuff |
| 20:32.10 | ZeNz0r | i flashed to 1.2 |
| 20:32.17 | woglinde | yes |
| 20:32.26 | woglinde | I already saw it |
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| 20:33.03 | loufoque_ | am I the only one that cannot install package bzip2? |
| 20:33.09 | ZeNz0r | cool... that means i did it right xD |
| 20:33.25 | loufoque_ | it's supposed to be in "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" |
| 20:33.30 | woglinde | zenzor ah |
| 20:33.32 | loufoque_ | whatever that repository is |
| 20:33.50 | woglinde | zenzor update python2.5-maemo |
| 20:34.08 | woglinde | python2.5_2.5.4-1maemo6_armel.deb |
| 20:34.12 | woglinde | from today |
| 20:34.20 | woglinde | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/p/python2.5/ |
| 20:34.46 | woglinde | ~lart stupid webfrontend again |
| 20:34.46 | infobot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to stupid webfrontend again, and goes postal |
| 20:37.02 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: unable to install 'python2.5' Incompatible application package |
| 20:37.13 | ZeNz0r | shouldn't i have said to open with app manager? |
| 20:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, cool. On x86 linux /usr/bin/hp-systray has created a python zombie. Hi zombie, looong time no see XP |
| 20:42.05 | woglinde | zenzor can you do it via terminal? |
| 20:42.09 | alterego | What's the easiest way to package a python app? |
| 20:42.10 | woglinde | apt-get update |
| 20:42.14 | woglinde | apt-get upgrade |
| 20:42.53 | ZeNz0r | woglinde sure, shuold i type upgrade or update or even both? |
| 20:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | who's garage tech-admin? |
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| 20:44.31 | woglinde | first update |
| 20:44.40 | woglinde | which updates the package-index |
| 20:44.45 | woglinde | upgrade updates the packages |
| 20:45.10 | ZeNz0r | should i gain root?... it says permission denied |
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| 20:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | root is a shorter comand ;-D |
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| 20:45.34 | ZeNz0r | ^^ |
| 20:45.52 | woglinde | zenzor sudo gainroot |
| 20:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot == root |
| 20:46.01 | woglinde | if you have the package installed |
| 20:46.07 | woglinde | rootshell? |
| 20:46.11 | woglinde | or what was it called |
| 20:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | rot |
| 20:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | root |
| 20:46.38 | ZeNz0r | do u want me to pastebin it? |
| 20:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | aah tha package is rootsh |
| 20:46.46 | woglinde | apt-get install rootsh |
| 20:46.51 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:46.52 | woglinde | args |
| 20:46.53 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:46.56 | ZeNz0r | lol |
| 20:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:46.57 | mece | omg abill_uk, LOOOOL |
| 20:47.02 | woglinde | okay install rootsh via app-manager |
| 20:47.03 | ZeNz0r | i was looking at the phone xD |
| 20:47.09 | woglinde | sorry |
| 20:47.16 | ZeNz0r | i already have it and got root and did the update |
| 20:47.22 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:47.23 | woglinde | okay |
| 20:47.37 | woglinde | dont forget to use apt-get clean |
| 20:47.38 | xDaReaperx | hmm |
| 20:47.40 | woglinde | afterwards |
| 20:47.40 | ZeNz0r | should i go for upgrade or do u want me to pastebin the update results |
| 20:47.50 | woglinde | no try upgrade |
| 20:47.56 | woglinde | you could use -u |
| 20:48.03 | woglinde | to see which one will be updated |
| 20:48.18 | ZeNz0r | so i'll type apt-get upgrade -u? |
| 20:48.43 | woglinde | no |
| 20:48.54 | woglinde | type "jump out the window" |
| 20:48.55 | xDaReaperx | why didn't nokia make other colors for the N900 |
| 20:49.03 | xDaReaperx | like silver |
| 20:49.06 | ZeNz0r | lol |
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| 20:49.27 | ZeNz0r | i make these questions cause today was my first time typing in xterminal xD |
| 20:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | use a varnish marker ;-P |
| 20:49.41 | mece | xDaReaperx, because it's black. |
| 20:49.48 | xDaReaperx | i hate black |
| 20:49.49 | xDaReaperx | i'm a racist |
| 20:49.56 | xDaReaperx | oh wait... |
| 20:50.13 | mece | xDaReaperx, you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. |
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| 20:50.24 | xDaReaperx | xD |
| 20:50.33 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, err |
| 20:50.40 | MohammadAG | really, all he wants is a big fat hug from frals... nothing more, nothing less...... <-- wtf lol |
| 20:50.42 | ZeNz0r | 0 upgraded |
| 20:50.51 | noobmonk3y_ | farts |
| 20:51.03 | noobmonk3y_ | throws frals @ MohammadAG |
| 20:51.09 | noobmonk3y_ | frals - MohammadAG wants a hug |
| 20:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:51.23 | xDaReaperx | did any of you overclock the N900 ? |
| 20:51.29 | noobmonk3y_ | overclocked a trout once |
| 20:51.32 | xDaReaperx | what were the results if so |
| 20:51.32 | noobmonk3y_ | poor bugger |
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| 20:51.33 | frals | wat |
| 20:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | OC is a noTopic here XD |
| 20:51.48 | noobmonk3y_ | DocScrutinizer, really....... |
| 20:51.55 | MohammadAG | comments out DocScrutinizer |
| 20:52.04 | xDaReaperx | i still wonder about the bug i had yesterday |
| 20:52.11 | noobmonk3y_ | kinda random...... its like going into pc world and them tellin gyou that you cant buy a heatsink |
| 20:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~gentoo MohammadAG |
| 20:52.13 | infobot | ACTION recompiles MohammadAG again |
| 20:52.14 | MohammadAG | compiles #maemo |
| 20:52.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:52.20 | noobmonk3y_ | ffs geekisms |
| 20:52.22 | xDaReaperx | my Nokia Cable was connected to the phone , i rebooted and the screen was all weird |
| 20:52.33 | MohammadAG | did it poke you? |
| 20:52.35 | xDaReaperx | everything messy , lots of green codes and stuff |
| 20:52.49 | noobmonk3y_ | recommends throwing out the window and getting a Trout 4g |
| 20:53.12 | xDaReaperx | =/ |
| 20:53.58 | ZeNz0r | woglinde 0 got upgraded... i tested installing one of the apps and its still not working, how do i install the python2.5.......deb through xterm? |
| 20:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: OC :-P |
| 20:54.28 | xDaReaperx | whats OC ? |
| 20:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~oc |
| 20:54.44 | infobot | hmm... oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
| 20:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:54.51 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 20:54.53 | MohammadAG | frals, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697799&postcount=77 |
| 20:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking |
| 20:54.55 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 20:54.58 | woglinde | zenzor download the deb from my link |
| 20:55.00 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 20:55.02 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:55.13 | woglinde | and type dpkg -i python-minimal...deb |
| 20:55.25 | ZeNz0r | done |
| 20:55.26 | MohammadAG | infobot, does it get crispy? |
| 20:55.51 | xDaReaperx | my N900 has been running continuously for 3 days now |
| 20:55.59 | xDaReaperx | still battery is not down |
| 20:56.11 | xDaReaperx | a bit is left , 10 % |
| 20:56.25 | xDaReaperx | is that a problem ? |
| 20:56.39 | SpeedEvil | It should go for at least 4 |
| 20:56.51 | SpeedEvil | I had closer to 5 in a test |
| 20:56.59 | xDaReaperx | hmmm , i gotta try that |
| 20:57.01 | SpeedEvil | (connected to wifi, GSM active) |
| 20:57.10 | xDaReaperx | yeah mine was connected to WiFi and stuff |
| 20:57.12 | asj__ | xDaReaperx: I ran for over a week before I gave up and had to use the phone, it had no sim though |
| 20:57.22 | xDaReaperx | oh |
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| 20:57.48 | xDaReaperx | but for some ppl , the battery drains within 7-8 hrs |
| 20:57.51 | xDaReaperx | its weird |
| 20:58.00 | SpeedEvil | It's all up to apps - generally. |
| 20:58.16 | valdyn | xDaReaperx: im over 3g is evil and does that easily |
| 20:58.31 | asj__ | xDaReaperx: startup skype, a few more IMs, and twitter widgets and...voila |
| 20:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | with edonkey it'll go down in 90 minutes |
| 20:58.43 | xDaReaperx | well i dont run a lot of apps |
| 20:58.52 | xDaReaperx | lol edonkey ? what apps is that |
| 20:59.15 | SpeedEvil | It is an app for downloading legitimate linux distribution DVDs. |
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| 20:59.35 | xDaReaperx | hmmm okay |
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| 21:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | youtube also nice ;-P |
| 21:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | you won't watch Ben Hur |
| 21:00.46 | valdyn | skype needs push ( but I somehow doubt carriers would cooperate there ;) ) |
| 21:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | without recharging |
| 21:01.06 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: it didnt work, it found errors (dependency problems) |
| 21:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | valdyn: skype is a braindamaged peer2peer concept |
| 21:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | valdyn: no room for push |
| 21:02.00 | woglinde | zenzot pastebin? |
| 21:02.07 | ZeNz0r | sure |
| 21:02.21 | xDaReaperx | is there actually a liquid under the N900's screen ? |
| 21:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:02.34 | dmj726_devel | LCD |
| 21:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | even 2 |
| 21:02.55 | dmj726_devel | think of the first word in the acronym |
| 21:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | the liquid crystal, and above the touchscreen separator oil |
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| 21:03.14 | xDaReaperx | Hmm so thats 2 |
| 21:03.41 | loufoque_ | anyone know what "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" is? |
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| 21:03.54 | xDaReaperx | does the liquid , relate to the problems of the white spots on your screen ? |
| 21:03.58 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/QVvm5wbD |
| 21:04.23 | xDaReaperx | i meant dead pixles |
| 21:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | white spots? eew |
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| 21:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 21:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | shouldn't have dead pixels |
| 21:04.56 | xDaReaperx | my friend has bought his N900 |
| 21:04.59 | xDaReaperx | it has few bright spots |
| 21:05.02 | xDaReaperx | he replaced it |
| 21:05.04 | woglinde | ZeNz0r you only downloaded python2.5 you need python2.5-minimal |
| 21:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | QA says: zero defect pixels |
| 21:05.23 | ZeNz0r | oh ok... sry... give me a sec |
| 21:06.05 | valdyn | loufoque_: you mean http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php , maybe |
| 21:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: anyway dead pixels are caused by matrix defects, not by the LC |
| 21:06.34 | xDaReaperx | hmmm , there's no fix for that ? |
| 21:06.36 | woglinde | zenzor I meant install both deb |
| 21:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: nope |
| 21:06.46 | woglinde | python2.5 and python2.5-minial |
| 21:06.51 | xDaReaperx | yeah good thing he replaced it |
| 21:07.20 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: oh i c, sry |
| 21:07.23 | loufoque_ | valdyn: no, I mean a package repository, referenced at http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/ |
| 21:10.41 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/BtXaXJRL im guessing i have to install pymaemo-optify |
| 21:11.23 | noobmonk3y_ | is tired of babysitting tmo... sleep i think |
| 21:11.27 | woglinde | zenzor you didnt do it already? |
| 21:11.27 | valdyn | loufoque_: you have no n900? |
| 21:11.38 | valdyn | loufoque_: the urls are in the package manager "Catalogues" |
| 21:11.44 | loufoque_ | valdyn: I know. |
| 21:11.58 | loufoque_ | valdyn: please try to answer my question now. |
| 21:11.58 | b-man|laptop | http://bellard.org/otcc/otccelfn.c < the tiniest c compiler that can produce dynamically linked ELF binaries in the world |
| 21:12.12 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: pymaemo-optify no i didnt... didnt even know of such a thing xD |
| 21:12.15 | loufoque_ | valdyn: what is the address of that repository |
| 21:12.37 | loufoque_ | it's not https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ./ |
| 21:12.44 | woglinde | b-man hehe bellard again |
| 21:12.48 | loufoque_ | which repository is that |
| 21:12.53 | woglinde | dont know what we will invent |
| 21:12.57 | woglinde | in the future |
| 21:13.03 | woglinde | he started so many cool stuff |
| 21:13.10 | b-man|laptop | woglinde: yeah :) |
| 21:13.23 | valdyn | loufoque_: it is |
| 21:13.34 | loufoque_ | what is what |
| 21:13.50 | valdyn | loufoque_: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 for me |
| 21:14.06 | valdyn | loufoque_: maybe you are trying to download a package directly? |
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| 21:14.30 | loufoque_ | I have missing dependencies, and the package needed are in that repository |
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| 21:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: damn you're fast today :-D |
| 21:14.58 | valdyn | loufoque_: while apt-get cant install it? |
| 21:15.10 | loufoque_ | the packages are *missing* |
| 21:15.17 | loufoque_ | they're not found in any repository I have configured |
| 21:15.20 | loufoque_ | an example is bzip |
| 21:15.26 | loufoque_ | bzip2 sorry |
| 21:16.14 | valdyn | loufoque_: its there, probably extras-devel or -testing |
| 21:16.47 | valdyn | loufoque_: actually probably both as I'm having 2 sources |
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| 21:17.32 | loufoque_ | bzip2 is in Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2), Fremantle SDK free armel and Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel |
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| 21:18.21 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: i typed apt-get install pymaemo-optify and it says it needs python2.5 that depends on minimal, but the 2.5.4-1maemo5 is to be installed.... so it seems i need to get an older version first.... does this make sense? |
| 21:20.19 | woglinde | ZeNz0r download python-optify deb |
| 21:20.26 | woglinde | and install all 3 together with dpkg |
| 21:20.28 | loufoque_ | valdyn: let me give you another one for example. libgles1-sgx-img. This is required for ioquake3 for example. It is only available in "Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2)" |
| 21:20.51 | ZeNz0r | u mean 1line of text to install the 3 .deb? |
| 21:20.57 | loufoque_ | hmm no my bad this one is in others as well |
| 21:21.00 | loufoque_ | regardless I don't have it either |
| 21:21.11 | loufoque_ | even though I've got all repositories one can find on the internet enabled |
| 21:21.13 | woglinde | zenzor by the way the python-optify.deb should be already in /var/cache/apt/archives/ bye noiw |
| 21:21.27 | valdyn | loufoque_: i can install it |
| 21:21.32 | woglinde | zenzor dpkg -i 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb |
| 21:21.40 | valdyn | loufoque_: what does "apt-cache policy bzip2" give ? |
| 21:21.44 | ZeNz0r | thks |
| 21:21.55 | loufoque_ | valdyn: could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ? |
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| 21:24.39 | valdyn | loufoque_: hold.. |
| 21:25.23 | valdyn | loufoque_: http://pastebin.com/s0LS800z |
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| 21:25.46 | valdyn | thats not the hole list, but apt-cache policy its one of those 3 |
| 21:25.55 | valdyn | thats not the hole list, but according to apt-cache policy its one of those 3 |
| 21:26.06 | loufoque_ | if I add https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 it works |
| 21:26.10 | loufoque_ | where did you get that one from? |
| 21:26.17 | valdyn | loufoque_: no idea |
| 21:26.32 | loufoque_ | how did you install PR1.2? |
| 21:26.40 | valdyn | loufoque_: I never added it manually, I flashed pr1.2 |
| 21:26.50 | loufoque_ | global firmware or different one? |
| 21:26.54 | valdyn | global |
| 21:27.11 | valdyn | but this could just aswell be the result of restoring the backup I guess |
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| 21:27.27 | loufoque_ | i flashed uk firmware, maybe that's the reason why I have https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ? |
| 21:27.48 | Juozapas | hi, i cant find midnight commander in extras repository. Where i must search for it ? |
| 21:28.05 | valdyn | on top of that I had pr1.2 pre which could have put that repository there.. |
| 21:29.07 | valdyn | all my own repositories are there too, so the backup / restore must have taken care of that |
| 21:30.07 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/Hz5CuC20 |
| 21:30.44 | woglinde | ZeNz0r look at it again |
| 21:30.47 | woglinde | 5 vs 6 |
| 21:30.58 | woglinde | download latest python-minimal |
| 21:31.07 | ZeNz0r | the minimal doesnt have a 6 |
| 21:31.12 | ZeNz0r | i thought it was ok |
| 21:31.14 | woglinde | hm uh |
| 21:31.20 | valdyn | its an annoyance that the nokia repositories are layed out in a way that makes apt-cache policy not show the actual source |
| 21:31.32 | woglinde | then download the version 5 of python2.5 |
| 21:31.40 | ZeNz0r | k |
| 21:32.06 | ZeNz0r | im getting dizzy... xD |
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| 21:32.27 | valdyn | it should be "https://foo.bar/ssu <whitespace> apps" |
| 21:32.28 | woglinde | sorry |
| 21:32.32 | ZeNz0r | np |
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| 21:32.56 | ZeNz0r | i always wanted to learn but put it back in the list... now im forced :p |
| 21:34.03 | woglinde | zenzor hihi |
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| 21:36.53 | crashanddie | valdyn: https://foo.bar/ssu%20apps |
| 21:37.02 | crashanddie | valdyn: "space" is %20 |
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| 21:37.32 | crashanddie | ~nickometer ZeNz0r |
| 21:37.40 | crashanddie | ouch |
| 21:38.06 | Juozapas | can anyone help me with mc installation ? |
| 21:38.26 | ZeNz0r | rofl |
| 21:38.39 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 21:38.52 | MohammadAG | * Received a CTCP PING 1275550949977918 from xnt14 <-- is that an autoping feature or an autoannoy one |
| 21:38.55 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: yes, that's the highest we've ever seen in this channel |
| 21:39.11 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:39.27 | ZeNz0r | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/meP97VZv it seems it worked |
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| 21:39.36 | ZeNz0r | should i try 6 now? |
| 21:39.47 | crashanddie | apart for maybe z0mB13K1lL |
| 21:39.53 | woglinde | zenzor no |
| 21:39.59 | crashanddie | ~nickometer z0mB13K1lL |
| 21:40.03 | woglinde | when there is no python2.5-minial deb |
| 21:40.04 | crashanddie | not even |
| 21:40.05 | crashanddie | damn |
| 21:40.29 | ZeNz0r | oh ok |
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| 21:40.51 | ZeNz0r | gonna test installing those apps |
| 21:41.25 | woglinde | yeah |
| 21:41.29 | ZeNz0r | w00000t... woglinde masta its installing ;DDD |
| 21:41.55 | ZeNz0r | awesome, now i can tell it to get the rest of the apps^^ |
| 21:41.59 | ZeNz0r | thks a lot |
| 21:42.16 | ZeNz0r | i def couldnt have done it without u |
| 21:42.33 | ZeNz0r | since im 97.28% lame and 100% n00b :p |
| 21:42.48 | woglinde | zenzor he you doing fine |
| 21:43.00 | SpeedEvil1 | ~nickometer SpeedEvil |
| 21:43.15 | SpeedEvil | ~nickometer n900Evil |
| 21:44.28 | Mousey | ~nickometer Mousey |
| 21:44.34 | Mousey | w00t!! |
| 21:44.52 | satmd | ~nickometer satmd |
| 21:44.58 | satmd | good. |
| 21:45.07 | w00t_ | ~nickometer w00t_ |
| 21:45.11 | w00t_ | oh dear. |
| 21:45.13 | ZeNz0r | well guys i gotta go pay some attention to my fiance or i'll get killed before the wedding |
| 21:45.13 | satmd | lol |
| 21:45.19 | ZeNz0r | thks a lot woglinde ;D |
| 21:45.22 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 21:45.27 | satmd | w00t_: too much l33t and _ ;D |
| 21:45.49 | w00t_ | hehe |
| 21:46.29 | MohammadAG | ~nickometer MohammadAG |
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| 21:53.42 | shinkamui | anyone know the flag off the top of the head when reflashing to reformat all partitions? |
| 21:54.01 | shinkamui | I want it to be like factory, but pr 1.1.2 |
| 21:54.12 | shinkamui | or do I have to delete the partitions manually myself before reflashing? |
| 21:54.25 | shinkamui | eg rm -rf /home and rm-rf /opt |
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| 21:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | flash *COMBINED* and *EMMC* |
| 21:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | preferably other way round |
| 21:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | first emmc, then combined aka rootfs |
| 21:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | don't reboot in between the two flashes |
| 21:57.04 | midas_ | just spool it with random data when updating, it's always fun |
| 21:57.27 | midas_ | off to bed it is! |
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| 22:01.38 | monkeyiq | GeneralAntilles: just to double check, did you send out emails about n900 devices within the last 12hrs? |
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| 22:04.46 | shinkamui | doc |
| 22:04.51 | shinkamui | what does nokia mean when they say the fiasco image |
| 22:05.03 | shinkamui | is that the actual firmware image for rootfs? |
| 22:05.07 | shinkamui | if you understand what I mean |
| 22:05.09 | shinkamui | by that |
| 22:05.09 | shinkamui | :) |
| 22:05.36 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, fiasco is the packer for the big images. |
| 22:05.46 | SpeedEvil | It puts together bootloader, kernel, rootfs, ... |
| 22:05.53 | shinkamui | speed, Im trying to purge my n900 completely |
| 22:06.02 | shinkamui | so I downloaded pr1.2 image and the emmc |
| 22:06.02 | SpeedEvil | For what purpose? |
| 22:06.30 | shinkamui | ordered a new one, giving this one to my father |
| 22:07.10 | shinkamui | anyhoo, the site says as doc said, flash the fiasco image first, then emmc image, and never reboot between |
| 22:07.18 | SpeedEvil | yes - that should work. |
| 22:07.21 | shinkamui | i just wanted to be sure that the fiasco image is the pr 1.2 firmware |
| 22:07.29 | shinkamui | and not something EXTRA I also need to flash |
| 22:07.33 | SpeedEvil | However - any really incriminating images can potentially be recovered. |
| 22:07.46 | SpeedEvil | See the 'photorec' software in extras-devel I think |
| 22:07.58 | shinkamui | its my dad, if I needed to worry, I would just zero out the partition multipass |
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| 22:08.01 | SpeedEvil | if you have any, you'll want to fill up the free space. |
| 22:08.47 | shinkamui | ha ha |
| 22:09.00 | shinkamui | how long would it take for that arm cpu to fill 25gigs |
| 22:09.21 | shinkamui | cat /dev/random > /home/filler |
| 22:09.27 | shinkamui | I would imagine it would take hours |
| 22:09.29 | shinkamui | or days |
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| 22:09.36 | shinkamui | maybe not days |
| 22:09.38 | shinkamui | :) |
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| 22:11.37 | GAN900 | crashanddie, 3D TVs for $2,000. WTF? |
| 22:11.48 | ioan | can someone please direct me to documentation on how to create status bar plugin with python? |
| 22:11.49 | alterego | :) |
| 22:11.56 | alterego | Yes, that is right, I'm smiling :) |
| 22:12.16 | thp | ioan: get the repeatswitcherstatus source |
| 22:12.18 | crashanddie | GAN900: so? |
| 22:12.27 | GAN900 | crashanddie, makes me feel old. |
| 22:12.46 | GAN900 | Also: makes me determined to get a 3D video rig set up. |
| 22:12.48 | ioan | thp: thanks! |
| 22:12.52 | crashanddie | GAN900: nha, you'll start feeling old when kids use gadgets you don't even understand |
| 22:13.03 | GAN900 | wonders about mounting two GH1s to a steadicam. |
| 22:13.14 | crashanddie | GAN900: get a 5D |
| 22:13.18 | GAN900 | crashanddie, iPhones? :D |
| 22:13.21 | crashanddie | well, 5DII |
| 22:13.23 | thp | ioan: and http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo for "generic" pymaemo docs |
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| 22:13.30 | GAN900 | GH1 is better for HD, I hear |
| 22:13.37 | crashanddie | GAN900: fuck that |
| 22:13.46 | GAN900 | Plus, we already have one |
| 22:13.54 | GAN900 | I'm not actually buying one |
| 22:14.03 | GAN900 | since it just pisses me off for stills. |
| 22:14.14 | GAN900 | Not actually being SLR sucks. |
| 22:17.00 | crashanddie | GAN900: get a merlin steadicam |
| 22:17.10 | crashanddie | or a glidecam 1000 pro |
| 22:17.28 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0VS4qZDVfU |
| 22:20.40 | ioan | thp: I got the code for Repeatswitcherstatus, but is not what I want, probably I didn't ask the right question. I want to build an app that will show a small icon next to the battery icon, for some event. For example, if ssh is running, I want to show a small icon there, when ssh doesn't run anymore, the icon dissapears |
| 22:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | load applet, simple brightness applet |
| 22:24.13 | ioan | DocScrutinizer, thanks |
| 22:28.10 | TomaszD | X-Fade, around? |
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| 22:29.24 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:37.00 | alterego | Anyone happen to know how I can get a GtkWindow from a xid? |
| 22:37.21 | MohammadAG | w00t_, did you announce what you were working on yesterday? |
| 22:38.05 | w00t_ | MohammadAG: what in particular? (I sometimes think I do more stuff than is healthy for my mental state) |
| 22:38.57 | w00t_ | ah, yes, ish |
| 22:39.08 | MohammadAG | on tmo? |
| 22:39.15 | w00t_ | frals and I have talked about it, nothing's been posted/mailed yet though because it's simply too early |
| 22:39.25 | w00t_ | I (think) we'd rather have something to show of it first |
| 22:40.31 | MohammadAG | w00t_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55062 thought you should say something about it, devs are starting to implement their own keyboards now |
| 22:41.49 | w00t_ | they're still probably going to do that anyway, a final solution is not going to be a walk in the park I think (else someone would have done it sooner) |
| 22:42.03 | w00t_ | but maybe, yeah |
| 22:42.33 | MohammadAG | :) |
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