| 00:00.08 | crashanddie | Rabidus: eh? |
| 00:00.13 | Rabidus | ? |
| 00:00.16 | crashanddie | Rabidus: what does client speed have to do with it? |
| 00:00.27 | Rabidus | with what? :) |
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| 00:00.35 | crashanddie | with taking a nickname back? |
| 00:00.38 | GAN900 | yawns |
| 00:01.06 | crashanddie | GAN900: please hold your hand in front of your mouth, I can see what you ate last night. |
| 00:01.18 | hawai`i | I can smell it. |
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| 00:01.32 | hawai`i | It's delicious. |
| 00:01.37 | GAN900 | You just wish you had the curry I had. :P |
| 00:01.50 | Rabidus | there's nothing "in use" @ irc. if client gets disconnected, ok. client knows that he is not connected with server, but server doesn't know that. so client connects again to server and takes alt. nick. so sometime there is two nicks @ server |
| 00:02.01 | Rabidus | and when that original nick goes out |
| 00:02.13 | Rabidus | there is some few seconds to take that original nick back |
| 00:02.19 | Rabidus | sry, i have to go now |
| 00:02.20 | Rabidus | :( |
| 00:02.21 | Rabidus | ----> |
| 00:02.38 | crashanddie | wanker |
| 00:02.49 | satmd | exactly... it *could happen* to have 2 ghost if it's happening real fast |
| 00:03.17 | satmd | yet some client rotate the list, others try them in order, I don't really care |
| 00:03.45 | hawai`i | I can't believe this is actually being discussed. |
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| 00:07.09 | jcrawford | guys how much slower is Tmobile 3g compared to at&t 3g? |
| 00:07.33 | SpeedEvil | I get 150kbytes/s on t-mobile on the sofa. |
| 00:07.35 | SpeedEvil | In the UK |
| 00:07.41 | Pavlov | depends a lot |
| 00:07.45 | Pavlov | on where you live |
| 00:07.58 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:08.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm 3km from my nearest tower I think |
| 00:09.30 | jcrawford | hrm i was just getting 150kb/s on at&t according to Joikuspot but still seems very slow so I am guessing Joiku is not calculating properly |
| 00:09.55 | SpeedEvil | check with something locally |
| 00:10.07 | ptl_demands_PR13 | MohammadAG: people are asking stuff to you here ---> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53888&page=2 |
| 00:10.10 | SpeedEvil | download a file with microb, or use speedy |
| 00:10.13 | ptl | wow |
| 00:10.19 | ShadowJK | 3g has higher latency than your dsl, and sgnificant "jitter" :) |
| 00:10.22 | ptl | I didn't notice I had this stupid nick till now |
| 00:10.23 | ptl | lol |
| 00:11.46 | Pavlov | i was getting 1000kbit/s on tmobile this weekend |
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| 00:12.33 | Pavlov | 3000ish on sprint "4g" |
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| 00:13.21 | ShadowJK | has gotten 6Mbit/s with his operator on 3g, 9km (!) from cell tower |
| 00:14.14 | lcukn900 | how do you get distance from tower info? |
| 00:14.32 | MohammadAG | ptl, thanks |
| 00:14.42 | ShadowJK | I walk to the fence surrounding it. turn on gps, check how far it is home |
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| 00:16.03 | crashanddie | lcukn900: he waits until he has the signal information on his 5110 show up as 5 exclamation points, then he knows he's "in da house" (aka, next to the tower) |
| 00:16.50 | lcukn900 | shadowjk theres only 1 tower near you? |
| 00:17.42 | ShadowJK | no there's one at about 400m too, and one at about 12-15km in the other direction, but they don't have 3g |
| 00:18.02 | asj | lcukn900: where I used to live we had 1 tower, about 12km north |
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| 00:18.54 | lcukn900 | heh i should look for where towers are. i thought they send details over the air about chosem cell location |
| 00:19.28 | asj | lcukn900: hrm, I thought that's what supl.google|nokia.com did, was convert the cellid into lat/log |
| 00:19.32 | MohammadAG | oh it's lcukn900 |
| 00:19.37 | ShadowJK | many operators consider celltower locations secret proprietary data |
| 00:19.40 | MohammadAG | haven't seen you around lately :) |
| 00:20.48 | ShadowJK | asj: you know what google did before they had their own phones and gps? Their google maps software for phones would on phones with gps collect CellID and lat/lon data, sending it back to goole |
| 00:20.57 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: In the UK, there is a web 0.2 site you can look up |
| 00:21.17 | ShadowJK | so google built up a rough idea of where CellIDs are located |
| 00:21.19 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ |
| 00:21.21 | SpeedEvil | check that |
| 00:21.25 | asj | ShadowJK: makes sense really, would be very worthwhile to build maps |
| 00:21.27 | SpeedEvil | it's _deeply_ broken |
| 00:21.45 | LiraNuna | does power kernel work for anyone with PR1.2? |
| 00:21.49 | ShadowJK | don't have that here, all there is is incomplete databases by people "wardriving" :) |
| 00:21.54 | iPeter- | SpeedEvil: You dont have any clue how that "system info" could be done on that vid what i linked? |
| 00:21.56 | thresh | at least it boots here |
| 00:22.17 | SpeedEvil | iPeter-: You find the right desktop widget, and install it |
| 00:22.32 | SpeedEvil | iPeter-: can you screengrab it - I can't do youtube ATM |
| 00:22.48 | iPeter- | Oh sorry, didnt remember :E |
| 00:23.00 | iPeter- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOw-rRBH3s&feature=related - Any1 know what systeminfo widget is used on 1min 40sec? |
| 00:23.27 | iPeter- | actually its shown on 0min 0sec -> |
| 00:25.12 | SpeedEvil | iPeter-: Comment on video asking |
| 00:25.20 | lcukn900 | moh its because im not around i have a week away with family :) |
| 00:25.31 | lcukn900 | but once again i cant sleep |
| 00:25.35 | iPeter- | SpeedEvil: I did, waiting for reply.. |
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| 00:26.27 | asj | 'What "sys info" widget you got on desktop? Cant find any. ' You can't find any system info widgets? Like the ip address and data monitor ones he has? |
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| 00:27.08 | iPeter- | asj: I mean exactly same widget as in that video is |
| 00:27.22 | asj | looks like a series of widgets to me |
| 00:28.06 | asj | youtube really has become the myspace for 2010 |
| 00:28.29 | iPeter- | asj: Well what widgets those would be? |
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| 00:28.56 | lcukn900 | wow: We're Sorry...The advertiser you clicked on has requested not to receive any visits from users outside of their market area. |
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| 00:29.18 | lcukn900 | isnt that like failvertisement |
| 00:29.25 | pigeon | iPeter-: i'm not sure, but if i have to guess, maybe it's that command execution widget? |
| 00:29.59 | iPeter- | pigeon: I have been thinking it too, prolly it is conky or smthing? |
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| 00:31.24 | ptl | opendune is niiiiiiiiiiiice |
| 00:31.24 | pigeon | conky can't be a widget yet i think. |
| 00:32.02 | iPeter- | Hmm, dunno what it is.. |
| 00:32.26 | pigeon | but you can definitely do what that video has with command execution widget. |
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| 00:32.52 | pigeon | check the wiki for command execution widget, it has a huge collection of scripts i think |
| 00:32.57 | ptl | my post-PR1.2 N900 is über-nice, I love it. |
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| 00:35.37 | MohammadAG | human thinking/psychology sucks |
| 00:35.39 | iPeter- | pigeon: It seems to be this |
| 00:35.42 | pigeon | does anyone know if there's any extra map i can get for the sygic mobile maps for regions that are not on the ovi store? |
| 00:35.53 | MohammadAG | ptl, you only think it's that way :) |
| 00:35.56 | pigeon | MohammadAG: human sucks in general |
| 00:36.09 | TheRealHotshot | lol |
| 00:37.06 | ptl | MohammadAG: what I think is that way? |
| 00:37.16 | MohammadAG | nevermind |
| 00:37.23 | ptl | lol, ok |
| 00:37.34 | pigeon | never get a human to do a machine's job... |
| 00:37.36 | ptl | PR1.2 took back my will to live |
| 00:38.21 | Macer | haha |
| 00:38.36 | Macer | ptl: is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 00:39.06 | LiraNuna | how do you remove the MMS connection created by fMMS |
| 00:39.26 | LiraNuna | when I select it, "Delete" is not available |
| 00:39.35 | crashanddie | walk with a dead chicken around your n900 in counter-clockwise circles |
| 00:39.37 | Macer | heh. that's rough. LiraNuna did it even work for you? |
| 00:39.50 | Macer | i haven't tried it yet. my sister tried to send me an mms and i couldn't get one :/ |
| 00:39.55 | ptl | Macer: make your own judgment :P |
| 00:40.21 | LiraNuna | fMMS didn't work for me |
| 00:40.24 | ptl | crashanddie: what happens if you run clockwise instead? |
| 00:40.36 | LiraNuna | and my N900 keeps conencting to the MMS connection instead of the one I configured |
| 00:40.41 | crashanddie | ptl: remember 1939? |
| 00:40.56 | ptl | lol |
| 00:41.15 | ptl | ok, counter-clockwise is better |
| 00:42.43 | Macer | it is connecting to your mms connection for internet access? :) |
| 00:42.49 | Macer | that's just messed up |
| 00:42.56 | Macer | there's always reflashing |
| 00:42.56 | LiraNuna | yes |
| 00:43.03 | LiraNuna | I don't feel like losing my data |
| 00:43.03 | Macer | which sucks but i'm sure will get the job done |
| 00:43.28 | SpeedEvil | the APN list is somewhere in /etc |
| 00:43.41 | LiraNuna | will just removing the file work? |
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| 00:44.36 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:45.00 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.29 | LiraNuna | damn that's a long list |
| 00:45.51 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if that's the right place to edit - there may be a better way |
| 00:46.07 | SpeedEvil | but I'd start by backing it up - and nuking your ops mms |
| 00:46.14 | LiraNuna | meh |
| 00:46.24 | LiraNuna | I don't have a win machine to back up |
| 00:46.33 | LiraNuna | and I don't want to lose my contacts |
| 00:46.40 | SpeedEvil | umm - what? |
| 00:46.53 | SpeedEvil | cp operator_settings operator_settings.bak |
| 00:47.03 | LiraNuna | oooh |
| 00:47.06 | LiraNuna | backing up the FILE |
| 00:47.12 | LiraNuna | I thought you meant the phone |
| 00:47.40 | cehteh | phone would work too :P |
| 00:48.17 | LiraNuna | <LiraNuna> I don't have a win machine to back up <LiraNuna> and I don't want to lose my contacts |
| 00:48.34 | cehteh | win machine? |
| 00:48.43 | LiraNuna | backup won't work on Linux |
| 00:48.47 | cehteh | huh? |
| 00:48.55 | cehteh | uses rsync :) |
| 00:49.05 | LiraNuna | hmm |
| 00:50.04 | cehteh | + git to version some important files |
| 00:50.44 | luke-jr | uses git for his maildir |
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| 01:03.53 | LiraNuna | why isn't it possible to remove 3G connections? |
| 01:09.39 | sobczyk | anyone knows how to emulate behaviour of virtual keyboard buttons with qt4 QPushButtons? (focus changes, when finger slides - similar in opera mobile) |
| 01:13.05 | Dassu | LiraNuna: If you mean to force n900 to use 2G. Yes it is possible. |
| 01:13.19 | LiraNuna | no, I got two 3G connections |
| 01:13.23 | LiraNuna | one's called T-mobile |
| 01:13.26 | LiraNuna | other called MMS |
| 01:13.36 | LiraNuna | my phone tries to connect to 'MMS' automatically |
| 01:13.53 | LiraNuna | I don't want the MMS connection and removing fMMS didn't really work |
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| 01:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | slap frals |
| 01:17.52 | b-man|laptop | ~slap frals |
| 01:17.53 | infobot | ACTION slaps frals, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 01:21.53 | GAN900 | LiraNuna, fAPN |
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| 01:29.09 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, usually 24-48 hours. |
| 01:29.13 | GeneralAntilles | and, yes, it's X-Fade. |
| 01:29.19 | GeneralAntilles | So it depends on his workload. |
| 01:29.26 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, also, ping? |
| 01:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | ping? |
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| 01:42.07 | GeneralAntilles | Huh, STMicro is gonna make an A9 SoC. |
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| 02:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 02:09.41 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
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| 02:14.24 | dsf | is the debian chroot worth the extra effort? |
| 02:14.57 | Ken-Young | dsf, I certainly think it is. |
| 02:15.38 | Ken-Young | dsf, It's worth it just to have a real bash and standard utilities, rather than busybox. |
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| 02:32.35 | dsf | yes, it would appear so |
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| 02:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | err, I got real bash on /maemo |
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| 02:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | I also got a set of 'real' tools, just in a separate path which is quite on head of $PATH, so it won't conflict with system boot where both busybox and real tools will cause init to break and device not booting up |
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| 02:49.18 | dsf | Ken-Young: did it take >= 15 minutes for your debian-m5-v3d.img.ext2.lzma to extract |
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| 02:49.46 | dsf | it's only 300+MB, but this is on an armv7 so, hmm. |
| 02:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | btw there's even a mandb pkg now, courtesy mohammadAG :-) |
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| 04:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the time is running out of sync on my N810... and I can re-set it to the correct one with ntpd, but it seems the correction is lost on shutdown |
| 04:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess are there two different clocks like with pc hardware? If so, how does one sync the system time to the internal clock |
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| 05:11.27 | RST38h | зÑÑп |
| 05:11.30 | RST38h | ping |
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| 05:11.52 | slonopotamus | оÐÐ¥ÐÐÐ |
| 05:11.53 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 05:12.01 | RST38h | EHLO indeed |
| 05:13.28 | derf | Moo. |
| 05:15.44 | slonopotamus | RST38h: http://debian-russian.org/kartinki/misc-pictures/koi8.jpg/image_view_fullscreen hehe |
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| 05:19.26 | pjs_ | is there a better chan than #maemo to discuss sdk (scratchbox) related issues? |
| 05:20.27 | slonopotamus | pjs_: unlikely |
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| 05:23.08 | RST38h | pjs: #maemo is the right place but only few people can help you with that |
| 05:23.13 | RST38h | scratchbox is evil |
| 05:23.41 | RST38h | slono: Yea, somewhat like this |
| 05:23.56 | pjs_ | well, this isn't really sb related, im using the sb sdk, it works fine |
| 05:24.18 | pjs_ | the problem is related to the state of the xephyr display |
| 05:24.38 | pjs_ | i assume that not all software from the 1.2 firmware is installed in the sdk version |
| 05:24.54 | pjs_ | but i am missing some stuff that i would expect, like the integrated fb chat |
| 05:25.08 | pjs_ | and am now wondering if i do in fact have 1.2 installed in sb |
| 05:25.45 | RST38h | what you see in your xephyr is a simulation, it is not necessarily supposed to look the same |
| 05:26.41 | pjs_ | i would expect it to be mostly the same, minus wifi/cell/gps radio stuff |
| 05:26.59 | pjs_ | i mean, they are the same packages just built for a different arch |
| 05:28.07 | petteri | if your sb is up-to-date, you should have the right packages |
| 05:28.58 | pjs_ | well apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade suggests i am up to date |
| 05:29.16 | pjs_ | i was hoping lsb_release -a would tell me that i am on pr1.2 but it does not |
| 05:31.06 | pjs_ | anyways, its not like i need anythign that is missing, i was just suspicious when i didn't see the fb or skype protocols in the voip and im accounts control panel |
| 05:31.30 | pjs_ | figured i would probe the irc people to see if i am missing something obvious |
| 05:32.50 | pjs_ | i have another question, unrelated to what i am working on now, but came across earlier today |
| 05:33.19 | pjs_ | is there any way to get the qt-mobility libs/headers into the madde environment? |
| 05:33.36 | pjs_ | or do we just wait for a madde that contains them? |
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| 05:53.37 | LiraNuna | I wish Ovi store took PayPal |
| 05:53.51 | LiraNuna | I don't feel like filling all of those details on my phone |
| 05:55.04 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 06:04.42 | viliny_ | wheres the jurassic rollercoaster game ? can't see it in ovi store at all |
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| 06:22.30 | LiraNuna | how exactly should I create an account if they tell me to cancel? |
| 06:22.30 | LiraNuna | http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/05/04/n900-nokia-messaging-bug-fixed-and-how-to-properly-set-it-up/ |
| 06:22.52 | LiraNuna | I'm now in an infinite loop of 'cancel' and 'add email', 'register' and all over again |
| 06:22.56 | LiraNuna | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 06:25.26 | valdyn | LiraNuna: is the nokia messaging account created already? |
| 06:25.34 | LiraNuna | no! |
| 06:25.54 | LiraNuna | I'm trying - I'm inputing my phone number, selecting N900 and it says 'already installed' |
| 06:26.07 | LiraNuna | then I follow and press 'cancel' and it asks me to register |
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| 06:26.14 | LiraNuna | infinite loop time! |
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| 06:33.19 | Lazy^ | hello, is there .docx viewer for n900 |
| 06:34.19 | ham5 | openoffice? |
| 06:34.23 | Surfa | freoffice |
| 06:34.28 | Surfa | ? |
| 06:34.38 | ham5 | that could be |
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| 06:34.41 | Surfa | or doesn't the preinstalled viewer support docx too? |
| 06:34.54 | Surfa | (trial only, i know) |
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| 06:48.07 | vallhalla | hello all |
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| 07:13.27 | hrw | morning |
| 07:13.46 | vallhalla | hey |
| 07:14.11 | noobmonk3y | waves |
| 07:14.13 | noobmonk3y | mornings |
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| 07:24.30 | pupnik | n900 speaker fixed with hair dryer |
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| 07:25.13 | krutt | ohi pupnik |
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| 07:25.49 | pupnik | oops no, crackling out again |
| 07:26.09 | pupnik | hi |
| 07:26.13 | krutt | :) |
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| 07:36.06 | tybollt | yeah |
| 07:36.11 | tybollt | prod him |
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| 07:44.20 | tybollt | all this because I farted? :( |
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| 07:52.06 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:53.54 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 07:54.06 | frals | mornin Khertan |
| 07:54.20 | Khertan | moo frade |
| 07:54.22 | Khertan | moo frals |
| 07:54.23 | Khertan | ;à) |
| 07:54.30 | Khertan | it s too early :) |
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| 07:55.03 | noobmonk3y | morning Khertan |
| 07:55.05 | noobmonk3y | :) |
| 07:55.06 | noobmonk3y | shit |
| 07:55.07 | noobmonk3y | work! |
| 07:55.08 | noobmonk3y | aghhh |
| 07:55.09 | noobmonk3y | 4 mins |
| 07:55.13 | noobmonk3y | still in bed |
| 07:55.27 | Khertan | hello noobmonk3y |
| 07:55.52 | tybollt | sacre bonjour khertan! |
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| 07:56.49 | zomg | Hi, I have an N900 here which I'd like to check whether it has 1.1 or 1.2 |
| 07:57.10 | zomg | I found a version string from About Product but I don't know what it should say =) |
| 07:57.14 | noobmonk3y | zomg, installed healthcheck? |
| 07:57.15 | Khertan | tybollt, salutations ! |
| 07:57.22 | jacekowski | is it possible to undelete call history? |
| 07:57.32 | zomg | noobmonk3y: No but I can do that if it will show which version I have |
| 07:57.36 | noobmonk3y | it will do :) |
| 07:57.39 | jacekowski | i mean, couple calls has been deleted from history, is it possible to undelete them? |
| 07:57.43 | zomg | Cool, thanks |
| 07:57.55 | noobmonk3y | 10.2010.19-1 = 1.2 though |
| 07:58.04 | noobmonk3y | 3.2010.02-8 = 1.1 |
| 07:58.16 | zomg | Yeah then it seems to be 1.1 :) |
| 07:58.18 | noobmonk3y | (+ some variations) |
| 07:58.23 | noobmonk3y | sorry 1.1.1 |
| 07:58.52 | noobmonk3y | 2.2009.51-1 = 1.1 |
| 07:59.12 | noobmonk3y | has too many numbers in his head |
| 07:59.26 | noobmonk3y | waves bye! |
| 07:59.29 | noobmonk3y | 1 min to work |
| 07:59.30 | noobmonk3y | ciaooooooooo |
| 07:59.41 | zomg | cya |
| 07:59.53 | Khertan | does i didn't see in the last news that ovi store was updated ? it still require vat number ... :( |
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| 08:08.25 | frals | is it just me or does http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ seem fairly static? fAPN has been there for ages at least |
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| 08:12.27 | jacekowski | it's top25 downloads |
| 08:12.43 | jacekowski | so it will be static |
| 08:12.47 | frals | ? |
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| 08:13.02 | frals | top25 downloads? you mean like http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/ ? |
| 08:13.02 | jacekowski | that page is based on amount of downloads forever |
| 08:13.18 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 08:15.24 | frals | and the difference between the 2 pages is? O_o |
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| 08:25.51 | ham5 | make -j2 |
| 08:26.51 | zash | make -j $(($(grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo) + 1)) |
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| 08:32.59 | tybollt | ehr yeah |
| 08:33.07 | tybollt | make -j ona smartphone |
| 08:33.09 | tybollt | good grief |
| 08:33.17 | Appiah | :D |
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| 08:40.07 | jscinoz | Hi |
| 08:40.17 | pupnik | please do not update libboost to a newer version. newer is much slower |
| 08:40.18 | jscinoz | I'm trying to install the SDK but I'm having issues... |
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| 08:40.44 | pupnik | hi jscinoz |
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| 08:42.20 | jscinoz | I have set up scratchbox, but if i try install the sdk, it fails to get 'maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz' from the server with 404, is my installer outdated maybe? or is the file missing from the server |
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| 08:42.50 | jscinoz | ah sorry nevermind, i am stupid :P wget a new installer form the site and it looks for a different file now (mine was old) |
| 08:42.54 | jscinoz | thanks for your time anyway |
| 08:43.06 | pupnik | good news |
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| 09:04.06 | smoku | another day - another autobuilder problem... :D |
| 09:04.42 | pupnik | mornin smoku .. whats cooking? |
| 09:08.06 | smoku | globulation 2 |
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| 09:16.10 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
| 09:19.38 | smoku | pupnik: todays problem is actually quite cute ;) https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/glob2_0.9.4.4-1maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 09:21.01 | pupnik | heh |
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| 09:26.19 | tybollt | smoku: FAIL |
| 09:26.20 | tybollt | pwnt |
| 09:26.21 | tybollt | etc |
| 09:26.26 | tybollt | \o_ |
| 09:28.17 | joppu | gitorious isn't generating any tarballs for me :/ |
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| 09:39.20 | noobmonk3y | w00t_: question in tmo for you - 2) What is the widget used to show posts which you can cilck on (similar to facebrick, witter etc). Im using qtextbrowser which is quite useless. |
| 09:39.30 | noobmonk3y | nopt from me, but i'm replying to the other half of the question |
| 09:39.35 | noobmonk3y | so can chuck your answer in too :P |
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| 09:58.46 | crashanddie | moaning |
| 09:59.04 | lardman | gooood moaning |
| 10:00.23 | noobmonk3y | moans |
| 10:00.33 | noobmonk3y | eeeek meeting - back laters |
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| 10:12.15 | breakd0wn | hi, does anyone have any info on what the "latest" vanilla emmc is? |
| 10:12.25 | breakd0wn | what has changed in it |
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| 10:16.15 | mva | hey! |
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| 10:17.32 | mva | it is no libqt4-qt3support-4.6.2 for fremantle (and fremantle/sdk too) in repository! latest is 4.5.3. |
| 10:17.53 | mva | can anybody explain, why it is no 4.6.2 version? |
| 10:18.26 | Appiah | um |
| 10:18.29 | Appiah | should there be? |
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| 10:19.17 | alterego | Does anyone else get annoyed when so called "tech" journalists write complete rubbish? |
| 10:19.35 | mece | I do. |
| 10:19.47 | Appiah | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-qt3support/ mva |
| 10:20.44 | mva | Appiah, yep |
| 10:20.52 | mva | and diff it with http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-core/ |
| 10:21.25 | mva | it IS 4.6.2 version for "core", but it ISN'T for "qt3support" |
| 10:21.54 | mva | and, i interested, why |
| 10:21.58 | Appiah | it's 4.6.2 core for PR1.2 |
| 10:22.17 | Appiah | 4.5.3 for PR1.x |
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| 10:23.17 | Appiah | qt3support is just lagging behind |
| 10:23.22 | Appiah | (my bet) |
| 10:24.53 | mva | i know, that 4.6 in 1.2, and 4.5 in 1.x, but i want build package, that requires qt3support for 1.2, and i cant do that due to unexistance qt3support-4.6.2 for maemo ;( |
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| 10:29.56 | Shapeshifter | is it safe to use bash-setup to set it as the default shell? and what would I need to do to safely set zsh as the default shell? |
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| 10:32.18 | mva | Shapeshifter, i set zsh not exactly default shell, i just write something like this into my ~/.profile (and /root/.profile): if [[ ${TERM} == "xterm" ]]; then exec zsh; fi; |
| 10:32.40 | mva | and when i starting xterm i get zsh cmd-line ;) |
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| 10:34.03 | Shapeshifter | mva: interesting. btw, does zsh work flawlessly for you? I can't get it to work right, e.g. it doesn't know promt and promtinit if I don't manually source the functions from /usr/share |
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| 10:35.46 | mva | Shapeshifter, yep, it works flawlessly (also, i was build 4.3.10 myself some time ago and using it) |
| 10:36.08 | mva | and, i've my own /etc/zsh/zshrc from desktop ;) |
| 10:37.51 | Shapeshifter | mva: could you please paste me that zshrc? |
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| 10:42.07 | MohammadAG | Not again :/ /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: scripts/basic/fixdep: No such file or directory |
| 10:45.45 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: what dies that mean? |
| 10:46.13 | mikki-kun | *does |
| 10:46.37 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys built dpkg-dev? |
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| 10:51.08 | sivang | battery out warrning should be more before it dies |
| 10:51.15 | sivang | in the middle of the conversation :) |
| 10:51.23 | sivang | I wonder if there's a bug for that already? |
| 10:51.40 | sivang | so I got no warning this time, and it just died on me while conversing |
| 10:51.52 | mva | Shapeshifter, aaaargh! pastebinit don't want to paste on N900 ;( |
| 10:52.23 | sivang | also, we need to fix the odd behavior when powering on the device |
| 10:52.36 | sivang | after a battery drain out and connecting to power outlet. |
| 10:53.38 | sivang | I never seem to get the sequqnce of presses to bring the device up in a predictable way :) |
| 10:53.46 | MohammadAG | pastebinit is broken |
| 10:53.54 | SpeedEvil | sivang: It depends. |
| 10:53.59 | mva | MohammadAG, and what is alternatives? |
| 10:54.13 | MohammadAG | pastebin.com |
| 10:54.14 | SpeedEvil | sivang: It's actually moderately predictable. |
| 10:54.20 | SpeedEvil | sivang: from a early hardware POV |
| 10:54.44 | SpeedEvil | sivang: When the user presses the button, or the voltage passes n volts, it boots the kernel. |
| 10:54.57 | SpeedEvil | sivang: The confusion is softwares fault |
| 10:55.09 | mva | MohammadAG, you suggest to post long file by hands? |
| 10:55.15 | SpeedEvil | It can be apparantly 'off' - when it's really in _act_dead_ state. |
| 10:55.25 | sivang | SpeedEvil: ah |
| 10:55.30 | SpeedEvil | Which is booted, and waiting in a shell-script for the battery to come to an OK state |
| 10:55.33 | sivang | SpeedEvil: yes, that's what I've seen |
| 10:55.44 | MohammadAG | mva, I added 400 spaces in a control file for an icon once, so... yeah, I'm that kind of person :) |
| 10:55.54 | MohammadAG | manually btw |
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| 10:56.01 | sivang | SpeedEvil: let's add some progress indication , what do you say? |
| 10:56.11 | sivang | SpeedEvil: fix that bit of user experience |
| 10:56.14 | SpeedEvil | sivang: progress indication adds battery use |
| 10:56.37 | sivang | SpeedEvil: but when you are plugged, it is okay no? |
| 10:56.43 | SpeedEvil | I would say a flashing red/green to indicate 'very low battery, charging' |
| 10:56.54 | sivang | SpeedEvil: on the small led? |
| 10:56.55 | SpeedEvil | It can't boot immediately with a very low battery |
| 10:56.57 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:57.06 | sivang | SpeedEvil: okay, I wanna do this, how to follow? |
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| 10:57.14 | sivang | SpeedEvil: which package to midfy ? |
| 10:57.27 | SpeedEvil | you need to edit the scripts in /etc |
| 10:57.38 | sivang | SpeedEvil: and they will allow me to control the led? |
| 10:58.46 | sivang | SpeedEvil: well, essentially, I do need to modify the package delivering the respective /etc script |
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| 10:59.49 | sivang | SpeedEvil: this implies that the system always runs off the battery, even when plugged |
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| 10:59.57 | phellarv | Which is best - batterywize - Haze, Pecan og Butterfly? |
| 10:59.57 | sivang | SpeedEvil: is this a hardware constraint/ design ? |
| 11:00.11 | sivang | phellarv: what are those? |
| 11:00.23 | phellarv | Telepathy plugins for MSN |
| 11:00.35 | sivang | phellarv: ah |
| 11:00.45 | sivang | I personall prefer Pecan nuts |
| 11:00.51 | sivang | :) |
| 11:00.54 | SpeedEvil | sivang: mce controlls LED |
| 11:01.00 | SpeedEvil | sivang: BME does battery charging |
| 11:01.05 | phellarv | Some of my friends wants to reach me by MSN, and those three are the different options I have. |
| 11:01.22 | sivang | SpeedEvil: okay, once it is connected I will ssh there and check this out |
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| 11:01.38 | phellarv | And I remember sometime ago that there was a discussion on which was best for a phone. |
| 11:01.49 | SpeedEvil | Look at /etc/event.d/bme /etc/event.d/rcS-late |
| 11:01.50 | mva | Shapeshifter, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/220977/ |
| 11:01.54 | sivang | SpeedEvil: also, either the power button nor the show display button on the side act predictivly |
| 11:02.02 | mva | Shapeshifter, ^_^ |
| 11:02.14 | sivang | SpeedEvil: If I come with a patch will it be shipped by Nokia? |
| 11:02.20 | SpeedEvil | sivang: I don't know. |
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| 11:02.53 | SpeedEvil | And yes - the battery is in parallel with the charger - and the system is connected across both |
| 11:02.56 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I am asking because it is unlikely people will install this withouot the official stamp |
| 11:03.00 | SpeedEvil | In normal use, the charger is on. |
| 11:03.22 | SpeedEvil | I know that there have been user-submitted mods to the init scripts accepted as patches |
| 11:03.42 | sivang | SpeedEvil: if the system is connected through both, why can't why just consum outlet until battery is okay and then do display a progress indication or some sort of user friendly text? |
| 11:03.44 | SpeedEvil | (or more accurately, the charger is turned on and off to maintain the 'charged' voltage) |
| 11:03.53 | sivang | SpeedEvil: the led is already used so much in telepathy so it can gete confusing. |
| 11:03.56 | SpeedEvil | In some cases, the battery has to be charged slowly |
| 11:04.20 | SpeedEvil | And in others, you can only draw a small amount of power through the USB port |
| 11:04.42 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I want to cater fro the case when I'm connected to the power outlest |
| 11:05.01 | sivang | SpeedEvil: so given I can, provide as much info about waht's happening so the user will not bang head and curse :) |
| 11:05.29 | sivang | SpeedEvil: in more then 60% of times , I think people will charge the device through the power outlet instead of USB |
| 11:05.56 | SpeedEvil | In the case of a very low battery, the battery will take some time to be charged to a state where you can safely start the UI. |
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| 11:06.09 | SpeedEvil | The battery should not usually get to this level though. |
| 11:06.11 | sivang | SpeedEvil: so if power consumption is constraind, use led, if not do some bootsplash msg |
| 11:06.31 | SpeedEvil | that's what flashing yellow means |
| 11:06.32 | sivang | SpeedEvil: but only if I am not connected to an outlet |
| 11:06.35 | SpeedEvil | flashing yellow means charging |
| 11:06.55 | sivang | SpeedEvil: yes, but it does so only after it succeded boot |
| 11:06.56 | SpeedEvil | power supply is constrained by not being able to - for safety reasons - charge the battery immediately |
| 11:06.57 | sivang | *after* |
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| 11:07.23 | sivang | SpeedEvil: and I always get to this state with my device, of so low battery |
| 11:07.35 | sivang | SpeedEvil: in about 5-6 hours |
| 11:07.37 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Battery_Charger |
| 11:07.55 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 11:08.38 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns |
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| 11:08.52 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I'm reading, very interesting. |
| 11:09.27 | sivang | SpeedEvil: a normal user does ot want to enter wiki pages to understand what his phone is doing. |
| 11:09.31 | sivang | SpeedEvil: just a note :) |
| 11:09.45 | sivang | SpeedEvil: and he couldn't care less why/how/security percautions |
| 11:09.45 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic |
| 11:09.48 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:10.00 | SpeedEvil | but if you want to alter it, you need to know the above |
| 11:10.01 | sivang | SpeedEvil: "It should just work (tm)" |
| 11:10.02 | puphome | it is a computer, camera, radio, radio transmitter. why call it a phone |
| 11:10.10 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I will :-) |
| 11:10.15 | sivang | thank you SpeedEvil ! |
| 11:10.37 | sivang | SpeedEvil: the note about the user was wrt to the flashing colors of the N900 disco machine |
| 11:10.45 | crashanddie | oh for fuck's sake |
| 11:10.53 | crashanddie | why the hell do people do validation against phone numbers |
| 11:10.56 | matthew- | any1 here from the UK? |
| 11:11.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking |
| 11:11.03 | SpeedEvil | and the service manual |
| 11:11.06 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I would like to provide a splash for the user until the system start the booting splash |
| 11:11.12 | crashanddie | yes, my number begins with "09" it's a bloody VoIP number, bastards |
| 11:11.20 | crashanddie | matthew-: quite a few, why do you ask? |
| 11:11.26 | SpeedEvil | sivang: The user is assumed to read the manual - which is on the device - a document. |
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| 11:12.01 | SpeedEvil | matthew-: yes, I am from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. |
| 11:12.03 | matthew- | crashanddie: need someone to call vodafone to call me |
| 11:12.04 | matthew- | :P |
| 11:12.20 | sivang | SpeedEvil: so that's probably the same with iPhone, you need to read the manual as they are probably facing the same issues with power outage. |
| 11:12.25 | SpeedEvil | umm - why? |
| 11:12.51 | sivang | likes the UK |
| 11:13.32 | SpeedEvil | matthew-: Sorry - I'm having problems with phone credit ATM. landline is down - I have stuff connected to it to attempt to diagnose DSL isue |
| 11:13.53 | sivang | SpeedEvil: Whereabouts in the UK are you? |
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| 11:14.12 | SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland. |
| 11:14.59 | sivang | SpeedEvil: oh Scotland is so cool, Been the Glasgow and Edinburgh |
| 11:15.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.2186&lon=-3.1204&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF |
| 11:15.33 | sivang | s/the/to/ |
| 11:16.07 | sivang | SpeedEvil: would have stayed much longer had I not have to go back. |
| 11:21.17 | sivang | btw, all the eye candy and UI kinetics is delivered through Compiz or its version there of right? or is there some other layer that does this for N900/Maemo ? |
| 11:21.22 | sivang | or compiz.fusion |
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| 11:23.22 | MaikB | hey guys |
| 11:23.48 | MaikB | does witter work with identica for someone? |
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| 11:25.26 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
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| 11:26.16 | puphome | no sivang |
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| 11:26.48 | puphome | the windowmanager does compositing, but isn't compiz |
| 11:27.33 | sivang | puphome: cool, that's something I've been meaning to ask for a while, so what is it? |
| 11:27.56 | Cy8aer | MaikB: Do you have this Error 500 problem with witter? |
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| 11:29.08 | MaikB | i just 'rm -rf ~/witter*´ed and reentered my identica credentials. Now I don't get the Server error 500 anymore, but it keeps trying to get the timeline without success |
| 11:29.22 | MaikB | @cybear |
| 11:29.42 | MaikB | @cy8aer |
| 11:29.44 | MaikB | sry |
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| 11:31.24 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: I'd hit it with tcpdump |
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| 11:32.46 | Cy8aer | MaikB: did you run it from console with run-standalone.sh python2.5 /opt/witter/witter.py? You will have some verbose stuff on the console. Looks like a missing / or so. dwould is doing some stuff with it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35596&highlight=witter&page=45 ff. But it is not running for me either. |
| 11:33.00 | Cy8aer | MaikB last "stable" version for me is 0.3.3-2 |
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| 11:33.45 | puphome | sivang: hildon-desktop is the term, i believe |
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| 11:42.04 | zaheerm | TomaszD, pong |
| 11:45.14 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 11:45.15 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:45.51 | MaikB | is there a command line binpaste tool in the repos? |
| 11:46.15 | MaikB | i've got a.meaningful log |
| 11:46.18 | smoku | sivang: window manager is built-in hildon-desktop - it uses clutter library to do the fancy graphics stuff |
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| 11:49.24 | MaikB | pastebinit... |
| 11:49.45 | sivang | puphome: so hildon-desktop the composite manager? |
| 11:49.48 | SpeedEvil | diddn't work for me |
| 11:49.53 | SpeedEvil | sivang: yes |
| 11:50.14 | sivang | SpeedEvil: interesintg. I was we were using compiz, but maybe it is not perofrmant enough for embedded |
| 11:50.17 | SpeedEvil | hildon-desktop does the task switcher |
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| 11:53.17 | MaikB | great, pastebinit gives just http://pastebin.com as the result |
| 11:53.33 | MaikB | f*** |
| 11:53.59 | inz | MaikB, maybe they're using magic to identify the paste! |
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| 11:56.19 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: more importantly, it soesn't seem to actually paste |
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| 11:58.54 | MaikB | http://pastebin.com/jBdsS9tu |
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| 11:59.08 | MaikB | here we go |
| 11:59.56 | MaikB | it contains: raise TwitterError("User must be specified if API is not authenticated.") |
| 12:00.15 | zash | raise Hell |
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| 12:01.35 | MaikB | my guts tell me that this is an identica only issue cuz the dev is a twitter guy |
| 12:02.01 | Shapeshifter | mva: thanks |
| 12:02.44 | MaikB | alternatives to witter ( which are using right now and not just read about ) |
| 12:02.48 | MaikB | ? |
| 12:03.06 | zash | witter? |
| 12:03.23 | zash | client? |
| 12:04.01 | MaikB | zash: whats the matter? |
| 12:04.38 | MaikB | witter is a client indeed |
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| 12:04.44 | zash | I thougt this was another channel not related to software dev and concluded that it must have been a misspelling |
| 12:05.01 | MaikB | ah, ok |
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| 12:05.12 | TomaszD | X-Fade, I've dished out some maintainership requests, where do these go to? |
| 12:06.32 | MaikB | so let me rephrase my rquestion: |
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| 12:06.39 | MaikB | which identi. |
| 12:06.44 | MaikB | sry |
| 12:07.04 | Cy8aer | MaikB: Mauku should (?) |
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| 12:07.59 | MaikB | which identica clients, that actually work, are there? |
| 12:07.59 | Cy8aer | MaikB: But that was more horrible than witter :-( |
| 12:07.59 | MaikB | Cy8aer, are u using it right now? |
| 12:08.02 | MaikB | i tried it yesterday, did do anything |
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| 12:08.58 | MaikB | didn,t |
| 12:09.05 | MaikB | didn't |
| 12:09.16 | MaikB | ditches himself |
| 12:09.17 | Cy8aer | I am using 0.3.3-2 because >= 0.3.3-3 I have this Error 500 bug. I have an own status.net server running, so I selected "Other". http(s)://servername/statusnet/api/ <-- the "/" is important. |
| 12:09.40 | Cy8aer | So it should be http://identi.ca/api/ as an "identica"-server. |
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| 12:11.08 | Cy8aer | MaikB: No oAuth (that works with twitter only?) so username and password must be edited into the preferences form. And keep in mind that Python text inputs have the first letter upper case. |
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| 12:12.28 | MaikB | i have 0, |
| 12:12.43 | MaikB | 0.3.3-9 |
| 12:13.27 | MaikB | so its broken |
| 12:13.33 | Cy8aer | MaikB: You will have weird results if your password begins with a lower case letter - so you need to edit around the first letter. 0.3.3-9 does not work for me with a status.net server. Last 0.3.3-2. right |
| 12:13.52 | MaikB | k |
| 12:14.06 | MaikB | i think i just wait then |
| 12:14.31 | MaikB | to bad |
| 12:15.08 | Cy8aer | MaikB: 0.3.3-2 -> upper: the only difference I can see is the portrait mode (and bug fixing) |
| 12:15.54 | mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=695690 |
| 12:16.26 | MaikB | a lesson i learned from using linux on the desktop for 5+ years: if something does work leave it alone unless you want to get involved |
| 12:16.45 | MaikB | I'm no friend of workarounds |
| 12:17.18 | Cy8aer | MaikB: Me too but I am talking to the developer (talk thread) ;-) |
| 12:18.16 | MaikB | Cy8aer, so you are getting involved. Thanks for your efforts! |
| 12:18.56 | Cy8aer | MaikB: I hope this thingie is fixed in the next days. |
| 12:19.37 | MaikB | yay |
| 12:19.55 | MaikB | Iz looking forward to it |
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| 12:26.12 | mece | nice and fast action there mods :) |
| 12:26.27 | tybollt | woot |
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| 12:28.13 | Shapeshifter | I wonder what's eating my rootfs. 3mb per day. |
| 12:29.11 | MaikB | tmp dir, just a guess |
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| 12:30.33 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: do you have a cat, or a rat? |
| 12:30.52 | MaikB | or /var |
| 12:31.15 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I have bugs |
| 12:31.53 | alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png |
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| 12:32.07 | alterego | Thass the UI so far, |
| 12:32.51 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, what theme? |
| 12:32.57 | alterego | Carbon |
| 12:33.23 | mece | Shapeshifter, LOL good one. |
| 12:34.04 | mece | alterego, damn. Carbon looks VERY nice. Where can I get it? |
| 12:34.11 | mece | also, the application, where can I get that? |
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| 12:37.21 | alterego | mece: when I've finished it it'll be in extras-devel :) |
| 12:37.41 | alterego | mece: Carbon is in the extras-testing I believe. |
| 12:39.06 | mece | alterego, what are you writing it in? |
| 12:39.34 | alterego | mece: backend is python + dbus + telepathy, frontend is python + dbus + telepathy + PySide |
| 12:39.51 | mece | alterego, how much is done? |
| 12:40.16 | mece | uuh which category are themes under?+ |
| 12:40.37 | alterego | mece: 80% just need to write the configuration format and daemonize the backend, then debianize. |
| 12:41.01 | alterego | Not bad for a days work I think :) |
| 12:41.02 | mece | ah, desktop, duh. |
| 12:41.11 | mece | alterego, wow. Sweet. |
| 12:42.20 | alterego | I was suprised how well the backend actually works, updates occur on friends clients after roughly 2-5 seconds. |
| 12:42.45 | MaikB | alterego, python? |
| 12:42.56 | alterego | MaikB: indeed. |
| 12:43.03 | MaikB | alterego, python? |
| 12:43.06 | MaikB | oops |
| 12:43.18 | MaikB | alterego, pyqt or gtk? |
| 12:43.19 | crashanddie | good grief the bollocks you have to read these days |
| 12:43.52 | alterego | MaikB: PySide (qt) |
| 12:43.53 | crashanddie | "Streaming offers better quality than peer to peer, considering that peer to peer exchanges copies which are not perfect. Streaming however distributes master copies" |
| 12:44.06 | alterego | crashanddie: wtf?! :D |
| 12:44.08 | sivang | alterego: what version of PySide did you use? latest source stable? |
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| 12:44.22 | alterego | sivang: what ever is on the device under PR1.2 |
| 12:44.30 | crashanddie | alterego: I'm tempted to go and shoot the guy who wrote that |
| 12:44.31 | MaikB | alterego, encontered any bugs you had to work around? |
| 12:44.33 | mece | crashanddie, OMGWTFLOL?!? |
| 12:44.40 | alterego | MaikB: not really no. |
| 12:44.45 | sivang | alterego: ah I see, I didn't realize there was a PySide release there. |
| 12:44.47 | MaikB | nice |
| 12:45.00 | sivang | alterego: still alot is missing from the source API no? |
| 12:45.02 | alterego | MaikB: as you can see though, it's not exactly a complicated UI ;) |
| 12:45.25 | MaikB | is the current maemo release still based on boost? |
| 12:45.37 | MaikB | alterego, i c :) |
| 12:45.38 | alterego | sivang: not sure, it's my first Python+PySide app, very simple, a line edit, some check buttons and a dialog+dialog button box. |
| 12:45.57 | alterego | Oh and a scroll area |
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| 12:46.15 | mece | alterego, pyside is so so sweet. |
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| 12:46.27 | sivang | alterego: cool, I'm just looking to collect usage and code examples for PySide. |
| 12:46.57 | sivang | alterego: I'll check carbon out |
| 12:47.07 | alterego | Well, I designed the UI in Nokia Qt SDK, then wrote it manually in Python once I was happy with how it looked on the device. |
| 12:47.37 | alterego | I'm thinking of using gconf for configuration .. |
| 12:47.45 | MaikB | i use boost.python myself and was very surpised when i figured pyside uses it, cuz gcc produced massive binaries when C++ templates are used |
| 12:47.52 | sivang | alterego: may I advice against it? :) |
| 12:48.06 | mece | ooooooo carbon is purrty |
| 12:48.08 | alterego | sivang: you can, but I think it's going to be the easiest for me tbh :/ |
| 12:48.08 | sivang | MaikB: PySide trunk does not use it anymore |
| 12:48.18 | sivang | MaikB: uses shiboken |
| 12:48.29 | sivang | MaikB: I thik there's even a released tarballs for shiboken |
| 12:48.36 | MaikB | sivang, i know, see what i wrote above |
| 12:49.08 | MaikB | my question was if the current version still uses boost |
| 12:49.17 | alterego | MaikB: afaik, yes. |
| 12:49.19 | mece | alterego, why not just a csv? |
| 12:49.33 | sivang | My guess is that pr1.2 shipped one uses it |
| 12:49.40 | alterego | mece: I suppose I could use a CSV |
| 12:50.04 | sivang | alterego: or use the ini file conf |
| 12:50.25 | alterego | sivang: that was my original idea, ini type file. |
| 12:50.26 | sivang | alterego: there's a very cool module to use such foramt |
| 12:50.32 | sivang | alterego: stdlib |
| 12:50.46 | MaikB | sivang, thx |
| 12:50.48 | alterego | sivang: still looking at it now "ConfigParser" I actually use it in the app already to parse some telepathy config files. |
| 12:51.26 | sivang | alterego: there you go, I was stupid enough to reimplement some of its functionality just to discover there's something like that already, abck in 2004 |
| 12:51.36 | alterego | :) |
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| 12:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | from a random log: |
| 12:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | dpkg - warning: downgrading kernel-modules from 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 to 2.6.28-20100903+0m5. |
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| 12:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | the 20101501 kernel is supposed to be older than the 20100903 |
| 12:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | are some blockheads using a YYYYDDMM scheme here? |
| 12:55.08 | thresh | 15th month yay |
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| 12:56.43 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: that would seem obvious from a '15' month? :D |
| 12:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but alas it's obviously not so obvious to the "is greater than" test in some install scripts, package rdepends, and whatnot |
| 12:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's a braindamaged idea to use YYYYDDMM for a version string (or for anything, to be honest) |
| 12:58.45 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I whole-heartedly agree .. |
| 12:58.52 | smoku | dpkg-buildpackage throws warnings when detecting descending version number in changelog |
| 12:59.23 | smoku | so it's even more serious error |
| 12:59.40 | MohammadAG | old: kernel (2.6.28-20101103) unstable; urgency=low |
| 12:59.43 | MohammadAG | new: kernel (2.6.28-20101501) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:00.03 | thresh | well, maybe a typo? |
| 13:00.11 | MohammadAG | in a kernel source? |
| 13:01.06 | jaska | sounds more like YYYYWWRR (r = revision?) |
| 13:01.22 | jaska | or YYYYWWDD ( day of week) |
| 13:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, that doesn't pan out then |
| 13:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | as the higher week-of-year is supposed to be the older kernel |
| 13:02.25 | summel | ohhh i hate the bugs in the pr1.2 browser >_> |
| 13:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | at least I'm told it is the older one |
| 13:03.59 | MohammadAG | huge (kind of) paste |
| 13:04.00 | MohammadAG | kernel (2.6.28-20101501) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:04.01 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.01 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.01 | MohammadAG | kernel (2.6.28-20101103) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:04.15 | MohammadAG | it didn't paste the empty line breaks, cool |
| 13:04.21 | Scelt | http://jupiter.kamfjord-it.no/~wheelman/Saxguy/ - funnyy |
| 13:04.28 | MohammadAG | brb |
| 13:05.10 | asj__ | MohammadAG: it sounds like 20101501 fixes 20101103 |
| 13:05.29 | asj__ | so I would assume week 15, rev 1 fixes week 11 rev 3. |
| 13:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's loking quite funny, but what will it teach us? |
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| 13:06.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just pasted it to show which one is older |
| 13:06.35 | smoku | DocScrutinizer: ok. you downgraded the kernel. but what's the problem? |
| 13:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | ok, but how to read that gibberish? |
| 13:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | smoku: I didn't downgrade anything |
| 13:07.17 | GAN900 | Piece of shit |
| 13:07.30 | GAN900 | It's like PR1.2 was designed to break things |
| 13:07.44 | crashanddie | GAN900: what now? |
| 13:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | smoku: I'm rising a general issue here, that I've been told of |
| 13:07.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, first line is the version number, lines starting with * are changes, -- is a signature-like line (with a timestamp) |
| 13:07.46 | asj__ | you guys whine more than a 3 year old |
| 13:07.50 | asj__ | goes to bed |
| 13:07.54 | MohammadAG | it goes from new to old going downwards |
| 13:08.03 | GAN900 | crashanddie, lost my data connection again |
| 13:08.06 | smoku | DocScrutinizer: and the issue is? |
| 13:08.20 | MohammadAG | Version numbers shouldn't be made like that... |
| 13:08.22 | MohammadAG | brb |
| 13:08.23 | GAN900 | Which is extra great when I have a meeting I want a log for on here. |
| 13:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | asj__: you tell more shit than my granpa |
| 13:08.38 | crashanddie | GAN900: I can log, give me channel |
| 13:08.39 | Shapeshifter | of the two or three ways of opening doc/docx files on the n900, which one do you consider best? |
| 13:08.52 | GAN900 | crashanddie, I can pull up screen |
| 13:09.00 | GAN900 | It's just a goddamn pain in the ass. |
| 13:09.19 | smoku | DocScrutinizer: as long the developers find it usefull, whats the problem with using large numbers? |
| 13:09.55 | asj__ | DocScrutinizer: heh, if you spent less time complaining and more time listening...ah never mind |
| 13:10.02 | DocScrutinizer | smoku: dunno, tell me! wo said there's a problem in using large numbers?? |
| 13:10.22 | smoku | [15:07:54] <DocScrutinizer> smoku: I'm rising a general issue here, that I've been told of |
| 13:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | so ... what? |
| 13:10.47 | smoku | nuthin' EOT |
| 13:11.34 | crashanddie | GAN900: chill, take a pill. |
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| 13:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: if it's "going new to old downwards" then the collation order of version strings is sane, no? |
| 13:12.20 | GAN900 | crashanddie, mmmm |
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| 13:14.28 | crashanddie | GAN900: breathe, and enjoy beautiful pictures: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1189364@N24/pool/ |
| 13:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what you are telling me, is 2.6.28-20101501 is *NEWER* than 2.6.28-20101103, not older. That looks perfectly sane, no problem in this then |
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| 13:20.17 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: obviously 20101501 is newer than 20101103. We all know that the 15th month of the year comes after the 11th, duh. |
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| 13:20.55 | BCMM | *perfectly* sane |
| 13:21.07 | korhojoa | of course. |
| 13:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: well, I've been told differently. So I thought it's YYYYDDMM |
| 13:21.25 | korhojoa | who in their right mind would put months/days the wrong way around |
| 13:21.52 | korhojoa | it's either YYYYMMDD for archives or DDMMYYYY for written stuff |
| 13:22.32 | crashanddie | iso standard is yyyymmdd (or yyyy-mm-dd), logical and works fine for order by name. |
| 13:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | now MohammadAG pasted some changelog or whatever to proove the 201015 version actually *is* newer than the 201011 version. So my previous info was erratic, and the whole topic is moot |
| 13:22.50 | crashanddie | yyyyddmm is stupid. |
| 13:23.22 | korhojoa | well |
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| 13:23.31 | korhojoa | someone invented a month or three |
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| 13:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: my statement, see above |
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| 13:24.03 | crashanddie | december, jenember, febrember and marchember. |
| 13:24.30 | janneg | korhojoa: aks the us. they use mm/dd yy |
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| 13:24.44 | korhojoa | i know, it's just not sane. |
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| 13:25.36 | crashanddie | janneg: I believe 11th september was a conspiracy to get the world to use the mmdd format. 911 (or 9/11) means something to most educated people, even though they think in terms of ddmmyy |
| 13:26.34 | korhojoa | 9/11 does mean something to people. to me it means that americans still can't do dates correctly |
| 13:26.46 | korhojoa | it should be 11.9 |
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| 13:27.00 | korhojoa | which incidentally is the emergency services number in some asian countries (eg. china) |
| 13:27.28 | crashanddie | 911 is the emergency service number in the US ;) |
| 13:27.43 | crashanddie | 112 in Europe, 000 in Australia, etc, etc |
| 13:27.52 | MohammadAG | 112 in IL |
| 13:28.03 | smoku | why did you stick to the 15th month? debian package number consists of opaque numbers separated with non number strings. every block is compared separately |
| 13:28.03 | korhojoa | crashanddie: i know. |
| 13:28.06 | Ikarus | crashanddie: the 11th september is called just that here |
| 13:28.17 | Ikarus | 112 is the international emergency number |
| 13:28.22 | crashanddie | yeah but IL is pretty much european anyway :P |
| 13:28.23 | Ikarus | works everywhere these days except the USA |
| 13:28.24 | smoku | so it's obvious that 20101501 > 20101103 |
| 13:28.36 | korhojoa | MohammadAG: IL? illinois? |
| 13:28.50 | MohammadAG | Hint: whois my IP |
| 13:28.51 | Ikarus | korhojoa: israel |
| 13:28.57 | MohammadAG | damn you Ikarus :P |
| 13:28.59 | korhojoa | how is israel il ? |
| 13:29.14 | Ikarus | korhojoa: official 2 letter ISO country codes |
| 13:29.16 | MohammadAG | IsraeL? |
| 13:29.16 | crashanddie | korhojoa: first and last letter? |
| 13:29.23 | korhojoa | i guess so |
| 13:29.42 | Ikarus | 112 as universal emergency number is btw mandatory in GSM networks |
| 13:29.58 | crashanddie | It gets funny when you try to email people in the ukraine. it's so easy to typo .com.ua with .com.au |
| 13:30.04 | korhojoa | what's strange though is that many nokia phones also accept 08 as an emergency number |
| 13:31.26 | puphome | rule 34. linux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AGe1b0mnI |
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| 13:33.03 | crashanddie | puphome: she's fugly |
| 13:33.04 | alterego | Well, finished the configuration UI, now for a shower :) |
| 13:33.10 | BCMM_ | how did GB end up with .uk anyway? |
| 13:33.25 | crashanddie | BCMM_: united kingdom? |
| 13:33.40 | puphome | rename it to NSGB |
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| 13:34.26 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: ISO code is gb |
| 13:35.05 | crashanddie | BCMM_: except that gb isn't right |
| 13:35.22 | crashanddie | BCMM_: gb is just england + wales + scotland, and UK is GB + northern ireland |
| 13:35.37 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: does NI have it's own iso code? |
| 13:35.57 | crashanddie | BCMM_: not that I'm aware of |
| 13:36.06 | amigadave | http://qntm.org/uk is helpful |
| 13:36.36 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: ah, i misunderstood |
| 13:36.47 | BCMM_ | indeed, GB does not correctly refer to northern island too |
| 13:37.12 | BCMM_ | but it is the assigned ISO 3166 code for the lot |
| 13:37.39 | crashanddie | yup |
| 13:37.44 | Ikarus | .uk/GB ISO code is one of a few minor deviations |
| 13:37.56 | Ikarus | no one ever said ccTLDs where identical to ISO |
| 13:38.11 | Ikarus | then we couldn't have a ccTLD for the Palestine areas, Taiwan, etc |
| 13:39.38 | crashanddie | Some french nuclear company tried to get a .va domain name, but vatican denied it... would've made avi.va |
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| 13:43.33 | crashanddie | damn... iraq only provides .com.iq |
| 13:43.40 | crashanddie | I wanted to register negative.iq |
| 13:44.24 | crashanddie | anyway, off, 'later |
| 13:44.43 | puphome | hahah |
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| 13:51.09 | puphome | whoah. progress! http://daggerxl.wordpress.com/ May release nearing playable |
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| 14:02.44 | timeless_mbp | there's a .su ccTLD too fwiw |
| 14:02.55 | Shapeshifter | I usually just starve |
| 14:03.14 | Shapeshifter | wrong chan. was talking about nethack ^^ |
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| 14:07.01 | alterego | Does anyone know of a settings plugin written in python? |
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| 14:07.09 | alterego | I can't seem to find an example anywhere. |
| 14:07.18 | wazd | ~seen vdvsx |
| 14:07.22 | infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 20h 15m 18s ago, saying: 'Andy80, with support for the 770 :D'. |
| 14:07.31 | wazd | :( |
| 14:07.47 | frals | he was online last night wazd |
| 14:08.01 | wazd | frals, oh, thanks :) |
| 14:08.33 | frals | np :) |
| 14:08.47 | Scelt | I put on my hat and wizard rope |
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| 14:11.37 | alterego | ~seen qwerty12 |
| 14:11.38 | infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 180d 19h 47m 39s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. |
| 14:11.55 | alterego | Erm .. |
| 14:12.00 | Khertan | hum ... back to sleep mode |
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| 14:17.52 | alterego | Damnit, so there's no official python loader for settings applets :( |
| 14:18.07 | alterego | Which means I'm either going to have to make this stand alone, or maybe a status area or desktop plugin :/ |
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| 14:34.18 | GAN900 | 180 days? Wow |
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| 14:36.47 | joppu | I updated to MADDE 0.6.72 and where is my /home/ -folder? |
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| 14:38.57 | hmiltn5 | its not /home? |
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| 14:40.24 | joppu | well, it's a fresh install and I can't seem to find home folder anywhere |
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| 14:46.26 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 14:46.37 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Here |
| 14:46.46 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54917 |
| 14:47.30 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Crap, forgot to check the approval list. |
| 14:47.41 | MohammadAG | :) |
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| 14:48.44 | joppu | maybe I just manually create those folder and it'll work? |
| 14:49.54 | TomaszD | X-Fade, do you know who approves maintainership requests on maemo.org/packages? |
| 14:50.05 | X-Fade | TomaszD: yes, me |
| 14:50.15 | TomaszD | e.g. there is one guy on decoders-support who I don't know, approved as a maintainer |
| 14:50.38 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Are you maintainer for the package? |
| 14:50.44 | TomaszD | yes |
| 14:51.00 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Then you should be able to remove him ;) |
| 14:51.15 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Can you edit metadata on the package? |
| 14:51.59 | TomaszD | X-Fade, http://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/ |
| 14:52.03 | TomaszD | where do I click here |
| 14:52.20 | X-Fade | TomaszD: In the midgard bar |
| 14:52.22 | TomaszD | "marek sladek" I don't know |
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| 14:53.07 | TomaszD | the midgard bar does nothing for me |
| 14:53.11 | TomaszD | I can log out there |
| 14:53.16 | TomaszD | and look at online help |
| 14:53.24 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Hmm under Page? |
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| 14:53.37 | TomaszD | nothing there, doesn't open |
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| 14:53.43 | TomaszD | folder is the same |
| 14:53.58 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Hmm ok, need to work on that then ;) But anyway, *poof* ;) |
| 14:54.34 | TomaszD | X-Fade, heh, ok. I also sent out a couple of requests for gstreamer packages to centralize the whole decoders-support dep mess |
| 14:55.07 | TomaszD | half of those are maintained by zaheerm, the other by kulve |
| 14:55.39 | TomaszD | so if you're they guy who approves these requests, please do :P |
| 14:55.49 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Don't see those? |
| 14:56.06 | TomaszD | e.g. http://maemo.org/packages/view/gstreamer0.10-vp8/ |
| 14:56.17 | TomaszD | I click request |
| 14:56.24 | TomaszD | then confirm |
| 14:56.32 | TomaszD | nothing happens, same page reloads |
| 14:56.43 | TomaszD | nothing says "request sent" or anything |
| 14:57.06 | X-Fade | I don't see your request, and you probably not either as it should be visible on the page then. |
| 14:57.24 | TomaszD | so chrome is evil? let's see ff |
| 14:58.34 | TomaszD | nothing happens in ff too |
| 14:59.00 | TomaszD | X-Fade, something is clearly broken :) |
| 14:59.39 | X-Fade | TomaszD: Yeah, need to debug. |
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| 15:03.14 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, shall I close the bug? |
| 15:05.05 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Sure. |
| 15:06.49 | auenf | welp, need more angry birds levels, beat all 21 free ones with 3 stars each |
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| 15:08.36 | GAN900 | It's impossible to answer the phone in PR1.2 |
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| 15:08.42 | X-Fade | auenf: Go to ovi store and by the level pack? |
| 15:08.47 | X-Fade | *buy |
| 15:09.04 | GAN900 | Your finger gets within a quarter inch of the screen and the green button becomes the red button |
| 15:09.22 | GAN900 | How does QA testing not pick something like that up? |
| 15:09.53 | SpeedEvil | How do I dump SMSs in a readable format with all their metadata? |
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| 15:10.58 | mc_teo | hey |
| 15:11.18 | mc_teo | does maemo support local pacs? |
| 15:11.22 | SpeedEvil | Or more acuratey. |
| 15:11.32 | SpeedEvil | I have a SMS showing as the contacts name is 'NOKIA' |
| 15:11.39 | SpeedEvil | How do I know what number this came from? |
| 15:12.09 | mc_teo | i dont think you can |
| 15:12.23 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: It is also possible to only send a name as ident, instead of a number. |
| 15:12.32 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: If you have access to an SMSC. |
| 15:12.34 | mc_teo | it was probably sent via nokia pc to sms gateway |
| 15:13.18 | mc_teo | so what sort of proxies can i use? |
| 15:14.02 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Sure - possibly. |
| 15:14.13 | mc_teo | ssh tunneling + socks5 config'd in FF was the only one that ever truly worked here |
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| 15:14.20 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to dump the SMS database so I can see if this is the case? |
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| 15:14.34 | E0x | this really work http://maemo.org/packages/view/headset-control/ ? |
| 15:14.39 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: yeah, what case exactly? |
| 15:15.01 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I wrote a few python scripts to search through sms |
| 15:15.01 | E0x | i read a thread about that but look like the head-set button don't get report withou the phone app |
| 15:15.07 | frals | SpeedEvil: open el-v1.db in sqlitebrowser of choice? |
| 15:15.12 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 15:15.26 | SpeedEvil | I forgot about that - I just submitted a bugreport about that too. |
| 15:15.28 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 15:15.53 | SpeedEvil | tries to recall how to dump dbs. |
| 15:16.21 | mgedmin | .dump |
| 15:16.29 | mc_teo | does maemo support local pacs? |
| 15:16.32 | mgedmin | sqlite3 filename.db .dump > data.txt |
| 15:16.35 | mgedmin | iirc |
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| 15:17.56 | SpeedEvil | aha |
| 15:17.58 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 15:18.04 | SpeedEvil | I was going through .help |
| 15:18.45 | mc_teo | does maemo support local pacs? |
| 15:18.48 | mc_teo | ... |
| 15:18.52 | mgedmin | what are 'pacs'? |
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| 15:19.04 | mc_teo | proxy automatic config |
| 15:19.06 | mc_teo | files |
| 15:19.31 | mc_teo | im open to other suggestions |
| 15:19.35 | mc_teo | ssh tunneling + socks5 config'd in FF was the only one that ever truly worked here |
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| 15:20.31 | mc_teo | and turning on socks proxy through about:config is a pain |
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| 15:21.36 | mgedmin | I suppose... |
| 15:22.01 | mgedmin | on a regular Linux desktop you can configure the proxy for all GNOME apps via gconf |
| 15:22.29 | mgedmin | I don't know if microB uses gconf for its proxy configuration |
| 15:22.37 | mc_teo | it doesnt |
| 15:22.38 | mgedmin | I've never used proxies in maemo |
| 15:22.56 | mc_teo | since its gnome specific |
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| 15:23.29 | ZogG | µTorrent is comming for linux |
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| 15:23.32 | ZogG | damn |
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| 15:24.24 | pexi | oohh nice |
| 15:24.49 | mc_teo | so anyone know about proxies in maemo? |
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| 15:29.42 | crashanddie | resistive support multi-touch, right? |
| 15:30.04 | crashanddie | the meego tablet demos it, etc |
| 15:30.12 | tybollt | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/intel-demos-android-2-1-on-moorestown-smartphone-video/ |
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| 15:30.21 | mc_teo | so anyone know about proxies in maemo? |
| 15:30.29 | tybollt | so Intel now producing Android gadets too? |
| 15:30.34 | tybollt | ... _bit_ confused |
| 15:32.21 | BCMM_ | android runs on x86, or at least Atom, IIRC. |
| 15:32.37 | ZogG | MohammadAG, have you read about Mercedes SLR exhibition in Te-Aviv? |
| 15:32.50 | ZogG | only 75 cars in the world ? =) |
| 15:35.32 | crashanddie | http://www.zdnetasia.com/intel-seeks-consumers-for-meego-62200421.htm?tag=mncol;txt |
| 15:36.48 | mc_teo | so anyone know about proxies in maemo? |
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| 15:40.59 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hopefully I can start collecting the dev info for the loans today. |
| 15:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: cool |
| 15:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | I already fear my time window for sending in the repair repair (pwpbutton borked by Nokia) will expire |
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| 15:42.54 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, isn't it 2 years? |
| 15:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | actually sth like 6 months, 2 years only for problems clearly caused by production |
| 15:43.53 | GAN900 | Ah |
| 15:43.56 | GAN900 | Interesting |
| 15:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | and for claiming a faulty repair things are still a little bit different |
| 15:44.35 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, you mean to give n900 back? |
| 15:44.50 | GAN900 | He's switching to Android |
| 15:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I don't mean that |
| 15:44.59 | GAN900 | Because it's more hackable |
| 15:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | and I haven't said such thing |
| 15:45.12 | GAN900 | and there's less overclocking. :P |
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| 15:45.25 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, flip-flopping now, eh? |
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| 15:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: flip-flopping? |
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| 15:46.30 | ZogG | nokia connecting people |
| 15:46.37 | ZogG | today so girl with phone like mine |
| 15:46.44 | ZogG | so started to talk |
| 15:46.51 | ZogG | as there are not a lot in my country |
| 15:47.13 | ZogG | gave her my number and facebook - but was stupid enuf not to tack hers =((( |
| 15:47.13 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, changing your mind on switching to Android. :P |
| 15:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you make me sad, mate :-) |
| 15:47.56 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, US political term used to describ a politician who reverse their stance on an issue repeatedly. |
| 15:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 15:48.35 | ZogG | damn udev not mounting N900 |
| 15:48.39 | ZogG | misses hal |
| 15:48.59 | Torne | has anyone written a script to go through the package database and work out how much space each package uses on rootfs? |
| 15:49.47 | mc_teo | so anyone know about proxies in maemo? |
| 15:50.02 | mc_teo | ... im really getting annoyed now |
| 15:50.10 | ZogG | mc_teo i don't |
| 15:50.21 | ZogG | or you want everyone to say that the don't ? |
| 15:50.22 | GAN900 | http://lifehacker.com/5553295/att-dropping-unlimited-wireless-plans-announces-tethering |
| 15:50.26 | GAN900 | Oops |
| 15:50.31 | ZogG | mc_teo, what exactly you want? |
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| 15:51.41 | mc_teo | ZogG: just some info about proxies |
| 15:51.47 | mhmh | Torne: https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space at the bottom there is a script that claims to do that |
| 15:51.58 | Torne | ooh |
| 15:52.14 | mc_teo | and really is there any sight of an app or anything to switch between proxies easily |
| 15:52.27 | mc_teo | like use a socks proxy when im in school |
| 15:52.36 | mc_teo | and direct when at home |
| 15:52.51 | Torne | mhmh: That's more or less what I was going to write, thanks ;) |
| 15:53.38 | Torne | saves me doing it |
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| 15:54.07 | andrewfblack | anyone ever had any luck getting N900 to connect to a WPA-Enterprise server? |
| 15:54.17 | arachnist | andrewfblack: yes, i had |
| 15:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: you looked into "advanced" at end of intenet connection setup wizard? |
| 15:54.59 | andrewfblack | my N900 keeps asking for WEP Key but server is suppose to be WPA-Enterprise |
| 15:55.23 | arachnist | andrewfblack: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2051#c26 |
| 15:55.24 | povbot` | Bug 2051: Unable to connect to EAP PEAP MSCHAPV2 without certificates |
| 15:55.32 | ZogG | mc_teo you probably can edit connections in settings |
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| 15:56.07 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 15:56.14 | mc_teo | but no option for socks |
| 15:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 15:56.26 | mc_teo | so i tried using a pac |
| 15:56.33 | MohammadAG | I need to overclock this PC... |
| 15:56.40 | mc_teo | but doesnt support local pacs either |
| 15:57.01 | MohammadAG | 10 minutes is way too much time to compile 6MBs (from 1 GB source) |
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| 15:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you need to build the *right* shit, with the right patches applied ;-P |
| 15:59.16 | MohammadAG | let's hope I built the right shit then |
| 15:59.39 | andrewfblack | arachnist: no matter what still asks me for WEP key |
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| 16:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | andrewfblack: there's a strange mess invented by microsoft that uses a wep connection and then negotiates some wpa key based on certificates, or sth like that. Maybe that's your problem? |
| 16:00.24 | mhmh | anyone been using the jabber plugin for conversations for muc? Would love to get the backlog support to work. Experimented abit and can't get it functioning. Stuck to using pidgin för that atm |
| 16:00.50 | zash | mhmh: define "backlog support" |
| 16:01.02 | mc_teo | so when you open it |
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| 16:01.11 | mc_teo | previous conversations appear |
| 16:01.22 | zash | default behaviour is for the server to send stuff |
| 16:01.23 | mc_teo | faded out, like history |
| 16:01.26 | MohammadAG | well, framebuffer didn't show up |
| 16:01.29 | MohammadAG | well, framebuffer didn't show up |
| 16:01.32 | mc_teo | like xchat |
| 16:01.33 | andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer: Most likely in my companys guide to connect using a windows mobile phone they tell you to set it to key provided by server. |
| 16:01.34 | MohammadAG | gah |
| 16:01.36 | mhmh | zash: when i join a ejabberd server using pidgin it send me the stuf that's been typed in the channel when i was offline. but not when i activate it in conversations |
| 16:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | andrewfblack: yes, that's it |
| 16:02.09 | zash | mhmh: the problem beeing that telepathy fails on <delay/> stuffs |
| 16:02.22 | andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer: Still no luck with connection to this kind of server on N900? |
| 16:02.27 | MohammadAG | FSCK! |
| 16:02.39 | MohammadAG | it was the right kernel, but the framebuffer console didn't show up |
| 16:02.43 | MohammadAG | guess they changed that too |
| 16:02.57 | zash | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-history |
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| 16:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | andrewfblack: no idea. I'd think there should be some software on linux to handle that, but for sure it's rather complex to set up |
| 16:03.21 | zash | mhmh: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24933 is related |
| 16:03.22 | povbot` | Bug 24933: was not found. |
| 16:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | andrewfblack: and not included in the rather simplistic connection manager on N900 |
| 16:03.41 | zash | povbot`: you are bug 24933 |
| 16:03.41 | povbot` | zash: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
| 16:05.22 | andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer: wish I knew what kind of server it was called to help me search. I guess N900 is going back in the draw thought I might have a use for it again if I could use it at work. |
| 16:05.26 | calvaris | X-Fade: are you who manages the autobuilder or do you know anything about it? |
| 16:05.43 | mhmh | zash: ok.. så know telepathy problem. saves me some time :) |
| 16:06.41 | zash | mhmh: the weird thing is, if it doesn't understand that it's backlog, it should just recive and display them as plain messages |
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| 16:09.27 | mhmh | zash: indeed.. got nothing at all while testing it a couple days ago. But guess i can live with using pidgin for a couple of days until i can have a closer look at it all |
| 16:10.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is smartreflex related to framebuffer? |
| 16:10.22 | mhmh | zash: it was the last thing i had left to migrate over in communications to the phone ;) |
| 16:10.29 | MohammadAG | cause it's not showing up, and I'm sure it's the right kernel this time |
| 16:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | andrewfblack: in your help manual from company, there should some xxxxx.exe be mentioned which needs to be installed on the winmoob phone. This is a good keyword to find the corresponding article in microsoft knowledge base, which explains about the more generic protocols used in this stuff. With these protocols you might find the right linux tools to handle that |
| 16:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not directly |
| 16:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 16:11.36 | andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer: yeah it talks about an enroll.exe |
| 16:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's it |
| 16:12.06 | GAN900 | andrewfblack, lamer |
| 16:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | google for that one, and you'll find the specs on MSDN or whatever it's called |
| 16:13.19 | andrewfblack | good morning GAN900 :) |
| 16:13.30 | GAN900 | Yo, andrewfblack. |
| 16:13.44 | ZogG | is media player widget opensource? |
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| 16:13.49 | SpeedEvil | Anyone here in the UK, with easy access to online phone billing? |
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| 16:14.01 | SpeedEvil | I mean - the online bill for their n900 phone account |
| 16:14.11 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10506 |
| 16:14.12 | povbot` | Bug 10506: 'My nokia' unsubscribe attempt costs money. This is in breach of the UK regulations on premium rate texts. |
| 16:14.26 | SpeedEvil | Am I totally misguided? |
| 16:14.36 | ZogG | i can't even subscribe |
| 16:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Sure - but clicking on the button certainly does not give a clear indication of pricing beforehand. |
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| 16:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | also I don't think unsubscribing may be billed at all |
| 16:16.17 | SpeedEvil | It's not a recurring text message in the normal form I think. |
| 16:16.36 | mc_teo | i think its mean sending a message without warning |
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| 16:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: first refuse paying it, contact your provider not to transfer the money to Nokia |
| 16:17.51 | ZogG | it's like with apps in Ovi |
| 16:18.03 | ZogG | when it says tax incl and it's not |
| 16:18.06 | SpeedEvil | It's probably actually sybase, not nokia. |
| 16:18.18 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, it's ending msg |
| 16:18.25 | ZogG | sending* |
| 16:18.30 | ZogG | to unsubscribe |
| 16:18.38 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: As I understand it - it sends a free SMS to unsubscribe. |
| 16:18.43 | ZogG | the question how much is it cost? |
| 16:18.49 | SpeedEvil | this is sent to a premium rate phone provider |
| 16:18.50 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, free sms? |
| 16:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | there's no free SMS |
| 16:18.59 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, i don't think so |
| 16:19.02 | SpeedEvil | they send you back a reverse-charged premium rate SMS |
| 16:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | except to your carrier's service center |
| 16:19.18 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, don't think it works like that |
| 16:19.24 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, depends on provider |
| 16:19.28 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps. |
| 16:19.35 | ZogG | i don't think we have such thing in our country at all |
| 16:19.41 | SpeedEvil | However - that is an inbound message. It's shown in the UI as an inbound message. |
| 16:19.46 | SpeedEvil | No outbound message is listed. |
| 16:20.07 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, call ypur provider and ask him |
| 16:20.22 | SpeedEvil | I've emailed them. |
| 16:20.29 | ZogG | you can ask qguil and get " but nokia is great answer" =))) |
| 16:20.36 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, emailing is wrong |
| 16:20.44 | ZogG | email was invented to ignore people |
| 16:20.47 | SpeedEvil | It's one of the manners they offer for contact. |
| 16:20.48 | ZogG | call them on phone |
| 16:20.55 | SpeedEvil | that would cost money. |
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| 16:21.02 | ZogG | weird |
| 16:21.04 | SpeedEvil | Which kind of defeats the purpose of getting a refund. |
| 16:21.07 | ZogG | here it works opposite |
| 16:21.18 | ZogG | we prob can email but it takes years to get answer |
| 16:21.23 | ZogG | easier to call |
| 16:21.34 | ZogG | as well as the call is free |
| 16:21.42 | ZogG | as example i have orange IL |
| 16:21.51 | ZogG | and it is all numbers starting 054 |
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| 16:22.07 | ZogG | so if i call *054 - it's company and it's free call |
| 16:22.20 | ZogG | there are free services as well |
| 16:22.28 | ZogG | for account info and so on |
| 16:22.42 | SpeedEvil | Oh - my mistake - it is a free call from the phone |
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| 16:23.12 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, have your bought n900 at shop or at phone company? |
| 16:23.21 | ZogG | by phone company i mean operator |
| 16:23.34 | ZogG | contract to be certain |
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| 16:24.09 | SpeedEvil | I bought it from nokia.co.uk |
| 16:24.16 | SpeedEvil | no contract |
| 16:26.22 | mva | lol |
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| 16:28.11 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 16:29.42 | andrewfblack | I might be way off but it looks like to generate the WEP my company uses a radius server. That provides the WEP for me just can't find a away to connect to it |
| 16:29.50 | ZogG | SpeedEvil you wouldn't get answer =)) |
| 16:30.11 | ZogG | RST38h \o |
| 16:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696115&postcount=1016 |
| 16:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | HOSTMODE, finaly!! |
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| 16:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | all courtesy to sarahn, and her kernel patches |
| 16:31.29 | ZogG | activated |
| 16:31.46 | ZogG | Sara Connar? |
| 16:31.52 | ZogG | i have to find her |
| 16:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | we'll need anothe maybe week to clean up kernel, and to implement a silly little gui to enable for 'normal users' |
| 16:32.11 | ZogG | do you know that robocops Os was meego? |
| 16:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: time for a MWKN update, I guess ;-) |
| 16:33.39 | MohammadAG | HOSTMODE FREAKING WORKS |
| 16:33.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, beat me to it |
| 16:33.48 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, oh? |
| 16:33.58 | ZogG | beats MohammadAG |
| 16:33.59 | MohammadAG | and thanks to DocScrutinizer for the VBUS |
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| 16:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | and for swinging the whip, to make you go ahead right direction ;-P |
| 16:35.13 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:36.55 | ZogG | i'm gonna sleep for several hours |
| 16:38.58 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, who needs attribution? |
| 16:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: uh? |
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| 16:41.30 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, when I write up the summary, who should I note as having contributed to the success? |
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| 16:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | the major work been done by sarahn in her kernel patches, though a lot of people were almost there as well, e.g javispedro. We discussed the whole thing on tmo thread (see above), so it's basically a success story of the hostmode taskforce team as on tmo thread last 10 pages, and in #maemo-hostmode-discussion |
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| 16:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG tested sarahn's / tealbird's patches today, added his own ones inspred by me suggesting to kick a lot of useless OTG crap |
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| 16:44.42 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: as in USB host mode? |
| 16:45.02 | MohammadAG | "Inspired by me" I lol'd |
| 16:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696115&postcount=1016 |
| 16:45.22 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, OK. |
| 16:45.23 | MohammadAG | gives DocScrutinizer his beer, he doesn't drink anyways |
| 16:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: cheers!! :-))) |
| 16:46.07 | noobmonk3y | lo alls :) :) |
| 16:46.08 | BCMM_ | i don't entirely understand that log |
| 16:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: please sign h-e-n garage project as quick as possible :) |
| 16:46.20 | BCMM_ | is it actually about host mode usb on an n900? |
| 16:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 16:46.41 | BCMM_ | i thought that was not possible in hardware? |
| 16:46.54 | t-tan | it's another the people vs. Nokia success! |
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| 16:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG attached a usb memstick to his stock N900, with stock cable CA-101 and a F2F adapter, and it works |
| 16:47.28 | RST38h | wonders when abill_uk guy will finally buy himself a different phone |
| 16:47.28 | BCMM_ | wow |
| 16:47.35 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - My first Morpho pic - http://www.flickr.com/photos/meepmeepiamasheep/4662773645/sizes/l/ |
| 16:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: I tell you since 6 months that's a lie |
| 16:47.41 | BCMM_ | if it isn't supposed to do that, why is it capable of providing power? |
| 16:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-)) |
| 16:48.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and you were right |
| 16:48.05 | MohammadAG | trouts noobmonk3y |
| 16:48.09 | BCMM_ | well, that is totally cool |
| 16:48.10 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 16:48.19 | BCMM_ | who do we thank? |
| 16:48.25 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, so the world is flat! |
| 16:48.26 | noobmonk3y | i need some thanking |
| 16:48.27 | GAN900 | RST38h, he probably uses an iPhone |
| 16:48.30 | GAN900 | He's a troll |
| 16:48.31 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, it is! |
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| 16:48.40 | BCMM_ | BCMM: wtf? |
| 16:48.58 | microlith | abil_uk? |
| 16:49.05 | BCMM_ | guess the n900's 'net connection just bounced... |
| 16:49.14 | microlith | he's the only person I have blocked on the whole site |
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| 16:49.54 | RST38h | GAN: I asked him: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696143&postcount=21 |
| 16:49.58 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 16:50.22 | BCMM_ | so does anybody know how much power the port provides? does it actually meet the USB spec on that? |
| 16:50.52 | dneary | GAN900, Ping? |
| 16:51.02 | dneary | Any idea when Jaffa gets back online? |
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| 16:54.41 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.44 | frals | slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.49 | frals | oi, i do the trouting around here! |
| 16:55.13 | BCMM_ | hang on, i CTCP-version'ed you the first time i saw you do that, didn't i? |
| 16:55.15 | BCMM_ | sorry |
| 16:55.43 | frals | irssiproxy |
| 16:56.34 | MohammadAG | wants something MS Paint-y on linux |
| 16:56.44 | MohammadAG | I can't do damn mockups in GIMP, it's too complicated |
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| 16:57.20 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: is KDE software OK? |
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| 16:58.16 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: there is kolourpaint, which is a lot like a less stupid version of ms-paint |
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| 17:00.50 | dneary | gah |
| 17:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: nope, N900 can provide 200mA |
| 17:01.05 | frals | VDVsx, wazd was looking for you earlier |
| 17:01.10 | dneary | I'm trying to /msg NickServ with my android client, and it ain't buyin' it |
| 17:01.24 | BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: that is brilliant |
| 17:01.38 | wazd | VDVsx: yep :) |
| 17:02.43 | BCMM_ | that would actually be of great practical use |
| 17:03.03 | BCMM_ | http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/654/211997654.jpg would be the correct sort of adaptor, right? |
| 17:03.04 | VDVsx | wazd, I'm here now :D leaving soon for dinner :D |
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| 17:03.13 | BCMM_ | (more poketable than a cable) |
| 17:03.27 | MohammadAG | lol BCMM |
| 17:03.37 | wazd | VDVsx: I'm preping a list of fixes for BlueMaemo, interested? :) |
| 17:03.44 | VDVsx | wazd, sure :D |
| 17:03.47 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: have i said something stupid? |
| 17:04.00 | wazd | VDVsx: I'll send it along with files to your gmail then :) |
| 17:04.20 | VDVsx | wazd, ok thanks |
| 17:04.30 | MohammadAG | BCMM_, nah (it was @ the KDE app) |
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| 17:05.28 | wazd | VDVsx: settings have only one setting btw? :) |
| 17:05.35 | BCMM_ | kolourpaint is my prefered thing for doing very quick, ugly things to images |
| 17:05.38 | visz | or this one? http://www.qfonic.com/images/products/cab-2219/image01.jpg |
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| 17:05.54 | VDVsx | wazd, more, but removed in that version |
| 17:05.58 | BCMM_ | like sending somebody a schematic of a motherboard with a red circle and "This bit!" drawn on it |
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| 17:06.03 | wazd | VDVsx: ah, ok :) |
| 17:06.07 | VDVsx | wazd, 3 IIRC |
| 17:06.16 | VDVsx | but need to think a bit more about that |
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| 17:13.15 | RST38h | heya wazd, vdvsx |
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| 17:15.26 | GAN900 | RST38h, you'll make him melt. |
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| 17:15.45 | GAN900 | RST38h, he's secretly in love with is N900, but he can't admit it to himself. |
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| 17:16.56 | VDVsx | RST38h, hey :D |
| 17:19.11 | RST38h | http://s46.radikal.ru/i114/1003/20/e37536b98fd7.jpg |
| 17:19.15 | RST38h | snickers |
| 17:19.18 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping (x100) |
| 17:19.40 | frals | pong floods MohammadAG |
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| 17:19.55 | MohammadAG | damn you frals, I thought he replied |
| 17:20.06 | MohammadAG | ~attack frals |
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| 17:35.07 | Shapeshifter | oh |
| 17:35.20 | Shapeshifter | so infobot is a fembot. |
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| 17:38.17 | xDaReaperx | hi |
| 17:39.08 | xDaReaperx | i used health check to find out my CPU frequencies , i used to see a max freq of 1150 MHz till yesterday , but now it shows a max of only 600 MHz why ? |
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| 17:53.51 | wazd | RST38h: moo :) |
| 17:57.06 | joppu | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/array-theme_1.0/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 17:57.11 | joppu | debug, anyone? |
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| 17:58.41 | Mece | quiet here. what is up? |
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| 18:00.32 | joppu | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696168 |
| 18:00.34 | joppu | oh... |
| 18:02.46 | xDaReaperx | hey |
| 18:02.57 | xDaReaperx | how do i delete the files in /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 18:03.07 | xDaReaperx | its a 28 MB file in rootfs |
| 18:03.11 | xDaReaperx | i dont need it |
| 18:03.33 | zash | xDaReaperx: what does `dpkg -S /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive` say |
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| 18:04.35 | xDaReaperx | well nvm |
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| 18:06.34 | xDaReaperx | how much space do you have in rootfs left ? |
| 18:07.48 | GAN900 | RST38h, what does the caption read? |
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| 18:11.02 | mgedmin | would suggest moving that file into /opt instead of just nuking it; it may turn out to be necessary for correct operation of the UI |
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| 18:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Also - /lib/libc-2.5.so is quite large - you should probably nike that too. |
| 18:12.30 | SpeedEvil | nuke |
| 18:12.45 | SpeedEvil | did that shortly after getting his first linux system. |
| 18:12.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:14.52 | xDaReaperx | how do you nuke it ? |
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| 18:16.04 | xDaReaperx | says no such file exiss |
| 18:17.09 | SpeedEvil | rm |
| 18:17.33 | SpeedEvil | This will stop your device booting |
| 18:17.52 | SpeedEvil | Just because you don't know what a file does, and it's large, doesn't mean it's pointless |
| 18:18.10 | xDaReaperx | well i didn't say anything like that |
| 18:18.19 | xDaReaperx | the maemo's webpage says so |
| 18:18.29 | SpeedEvil | 'the maemo's' ? |
| 18:18.37 | SpeedEvil | I think there are several pages about maemo. |
| 18:18.44 | xDaReaperx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 18:19.03 | xDaReaperx | i know you're trying to argue , i'm not here for an argument |
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| 18:20.01 | SpeedEvil | I'm not trying to argue. |
| 18:20.11 | SpeedEvil | How much space do you have? |
| 18:20.14 | elstupidos | You can't just delete these files, this is just a list with ideas! You have to know what you are going to do with them |
| 18:20.20 | elstupidos | thats what it says |
| 18:20.30 | xDaReaperx | yeah i read that |
| 18:20.38 | Mece | xDaReaperx, is your rootfs full? |
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| 18:20.43 | xDaReaperx | no |
| 18:20.58 | SpeedEvil | Also - you can uninstall tutorial applet |
| 18:21.03 | Mece | xDaReaperx, so what's the problem? |
| 18:21.06 | SpeedEvil | Disable all repos |
| 18:21.10 | SpeedEvil | (apart from nokia) |
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| 18:21.40 | xDaReaperx | okay |
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| 18:21.47 | xDaReaperx | i actually rebooted now , everything looks messed up |
| 18:21.56 | elstupidos | lol |
| 18:21.59 | Mece | bummer.. |
| 18:22.07 | Mece | what did you do? |
| 18:22.20 | xDaReaperx | wait its restarting |
| 18:22.22 | xDaReaperx | holdl |
| 18:22.40 | xDaReaperx | ah nothings wrong |
| 18:22.46 | Mece | :) |
| 18:22.48 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 18:22.51 | elstupidos | good |
| 18:22.51 | SpeedEvil | remembers the discussion on DPI here earlier. |
| 18:23.05 | SpeedEvil | he little slate's features include a 10 hour battery life, 2450 dpi touch resolution screen, pen writing and input controls, a fast screen refresh response time, 2MP camera, USB port, and a MicroSD slot. |
| 18:23.05 | SpeedEvil | Read more: http://hothardware.com/News/Handson-with-Asus-Eee-Tablet-eReaderWriter-with-Integrated-Digicam/#ixzz0pims4ZGK |
| 18:23.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:23.11 | xDaReaperx | actually when i rebooted from xterminal |
| 18:23.17 | SpeedEvil | http://hothardware.com/News/Handson-with-Asus-Eee-Tablet-eReaderWriter-with-Integrated-Digicam/ |
| 18:23.20 | xDaReaperx | every thing on the screen was weird |
| 18:23.32 | xDaReaperx | all messed |
| 18:23.33 | Mece | so what are you trying to do xDaReaperx? |
| 18:23.42 | xDaReaperx | i dunno just rebooted using xterminal |
| 18:24.01 | xDaReaperx | i think it was the nokia cable problem , maybe a bug |
| 18:24.04 | Mece | but what are you trying to do? |
| 18:24.15 | xDaReaperx | clear some space up in rootfs |
| 18:24.32 | elstupidos | how much space is left |
| 18:24.38 | xDaReaperx | 50 MB |
| 18:24.46 | xDaReaperx | is it enough ? |
| 18:24.53 | Mece | xDaReaperx, for some particular reason or? 50 is plenty. |
| 18:25.10 | xDaReaperx | Hmm well okay , i thought it was too less |
| 18:25.23 | xDaReaperx | just that |
| 18:25.30 | Mece | xDaReaperx, for what? in general? |
| 18:26.17 | xDaReaperx | well i read through the forums i found that if there is not enough space in the rootfs you cannot update |
| 18:26.19 | xDaReaperx | or so |
| 18:26.34 | Mece | ooh.. for updating :D |
| 18:26.38 | RST38h | GAN900: "If Jesus were hung..." |
| 18:26.39 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 18:26.54 | Mece | that's true. 50 should be enough tho. |
| 18:27.03 | Mece | try it. |
| 18:27.06 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay so i can now update right ? okay fine |
| 18:27.23 | Mece | it will tell you if you can't |
| 18:28.34 | xDaReaperx | okay ty |
| 18:28.43 | xDaReaperx | anyways it was really weird how the screen was |
| 18:28.46 | xDaReaperx | everything was messed |
| 18:28.52 | xDaReaperx | how did that happen ? |
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| 18:29.02 | Mece | xDaReaperx but it's ok now? |
| 18:29.11 | xDaReaperx | all icons , images buttons were gone all green erros and stuff |
| 18:29.20 | xDaReaperx | yeah switched off and on , its okay now |
| 18:29.26 | xDaReaperx | thank God lol |
| 18:29.50 | Mece | xDaReaperx, hehe. hey do a backup before you upgrade. |
| 18:30.02 | xDaReaperx | yeah it told me to take a backup , i just did |
| 18:30.13 | noobmonk3y | waves |
| 18:30.21 | elstupidos | is that whole "need 50+ space for update" just for doing OTA? |
| 18:30.45 | Mece | waves like the queen at noobmonk3y |
| 18:30.57 | xDaReaperx | well yeah |
| 18:31.00 | xDaReaperx | i was worried |
| 18:31.00 | Mece | elstupidos, yes. |
| 18:31.05 | xDaReaperx | in case the update goes wrong |
| 18:31.20 | elstupidos | ahh |
| 18:31.37 | Mece | xDaReaperx, flashing is a pretty simple procedure, so don't worry. |
| 18:31.38 | frals | w00t_, im here now ;) |
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| 18:31.47 | xDaReaperx | did any of you try to reboot keeping the nokia cable connected ? |
| 18:31.51 | noobmonk3y | prods frals |
| 18:31.56 | xDaReaperx | Oh okay , kind of new to the device |
| 18:31.59 | noobmonk3y | is there a #qt room? |
| 18:32.00 | frals | trouts noobmonk3y |
| 18:32.05 | frals | yes, #qt |
| 18:32.07 | frals | :P |
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| 18:32.19 | frals | a bunch of them actually |
| 18:32.30 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 18:32.47 | Mece | lol |
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| 18:33.29 | Mece | noobmonk3y, are you being qt? |
| 18:33.45 | w00t_ | frals: lo |
| 18:33.58 | w00t_ | how goes? ;p |
| 18:34.01 | frals | ello, just booting up my vm with sb |
| 18:34.49 | noobmonk3y | Mece, i'm failing qt |
| 18:35.03 | noobmonk3y | cannot find one working example of QtMultimedia.QAudioDeviceInfo.defaultInputDevice anywhere on an n900 :( |
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| 18:36.18 | noobmonk3y | the demo code translated works - but looks like pyqt has a big bug - it doesnt like being in the same room as pulseaudio ... so basically... #fail |
| 18:36.26 | noobmonk3y | sry qt has a big bug |
| 18:36.32 | GAN900 | RST38h, lol |
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| 18:37.51 | Lynoure | noobmonk3y: Has pulseaudio done their share for compatability? |
| 18:38.11 | Mece | uff low battery. bbl. |
| 18:38.40 | Lynoure | noobmonk3y: Or you, to make it work? :) |
| 18:39.48 | xDaReaperx | guys is the opera 10 mobile for maemo released on the Opera website officially ? |
| 18:39.50 | Lynoure | But yeah, as N900 has pulseaudio, that's a bit of a problem, though I have heard of people having Qt apps still happily play sounds. |
| 18:40.08 | Lynoure | I guess they sacrificed their chickens well. :) |
| 18:41.07 | petteri | xDaReaperx: no |
| 18:41.47 | frals | w00t_: did you get it to show up properly in sb? |
| 18:41.48 | xDaReaperx | ok |
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| 18:42.31 | w00t_ | frals: no |
| 18:42.35 | noobmonk3y | Lynoure, lol done my part in the coding |
| 18:42.38 | w00t_ | frals: works on device though, so.. *shrug* |
| 18:42.42 | noobmonk3y | but not detecting input devices |
| 18:42.45 | frals | w00t_: lol, alright |
| 18:43.01 | frals | w00t_: gonna compile and test on device as well then, min |
| 18:43.28 | noobmonk3y | Lynoure, there is a bug on the qt pages relating to pulseaudio problems - so i'm just assuming though |
| 18:43.38 | w00t_ | frals: to get it working on device, you need to install the shared objects, then run hildon-im-recache, then: |
| 18:43.54 | noobmonk3y | Lynoure, can play sounds fine just not get the mic using qt i think |
| 18:43.56 | tybollt | yes frals |
| 18:43.56 | w00t_ | gconftool -s --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/finger <pluginname> |
| 18:43.57 | noobmonk3y | tis really odd |
| 18:44.02 | w00t_ | gconftool -s --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/stylus <pluginname> |
| 18:44.05 | tybollt | are are you moving fmms to qt? :) |
| 18:44.06 | xDaReaperx | ah opera for N900 is available at opera labs |
| 18:44.11 | w00t_ | (as far as I can figure out, you need both finger and stylus set) |
| 18:44.20 | tybollt | qt's frals |
| 18:44.21 | w00t_ | also note, you may need to reboot your n900 |
| 18:44.29 | frals | tybollt: no, why would i? :) |
| 18:44.50 | frals | w00t_: roger, building package now |
| 18:45.01 | frals | (everytime i do this i realise how much i love python) |
| 18:45.07 | w00t_ | it's not that bad |
| 18:45.11 | w00t_ | compiling gives you time to think |
| 18:45.13 | tybollt | frals: it |
| 18:45.18 | w00t_ | (and procrastinate on IRC) |
| 18:45.19 | tybollt | frals: it's ze future!111 |
| 18:45.33 | tybollt | pyqt? :) |
| 18:45.50 | w00t_ | plus, C++ means that your app won't explode horribly because you passed something an integer when it wanted a string, 5 minutes into testing :-P |
| 18:45.50 | MohammadAG | ze future sucks, i want to go back to inventing the wheel |
| 18:45.59 | MohammadAG | at least they had trouts at lunch each day |
| 18:45.59 | noobmonk3y | re-invents the trout |
| 18:46.02 | frals | tybollt: not for something that is working perfectly fine for the targeted os and wont be used elsewhere ;) |
| 18:46.03 | MohammadAG | see |
| 18:46.05 | w00t_ | (I do like python though! kidding! Kidding!) |
| 18:46.16 | noobmonk3y | likes python and is hating qt |
| 18:46.26 | noobmonk3y | wants someone clever to fix qt |
| 18:46.29 | noobmonk3y | looks at w00t |
| 18:46.33 | noobmonk3y | w00t_, even |
| 18:46.37 | MohammadAG | looks at infobot |
| 18:46.38 | w00t_ | noobmonk3y: arggh I'm already doing two things at once atm :P |
| 18:46.41 | noobmonk3y | slaps infobot |
| 18:46.48 | w00t_ | is working on qt-community and talking to frals about keyboards |
| 18:46.48 | noobmonk3y | w00t_, not good enough lol |
| 18:46.50 | MohammadAG | I wish that was our bot |
| 18:46.59 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 18:47.45 | frals | note to self; armel.deb is the one you want, not i386 :< |
| 18:47.49 | w00t_ | hahaha |
| 18:47.52 | w00t_ | I make that mistake all the time |
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| 18:48.15 | MohammadAG | I just change arch to armel only, fixes the problem |
| 18:48.16 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 18:48.36 | w00t_ | I work on both, so not so easy :-P |
| 18:48.42 | frals | interesting that it installed a lot more plugins on armel than on i386 |
| 18:48.53 | RST38h | hmmm, no more unlim data plans on at&t? |
| 18:48.55 | w00t_ | ..then again, i also manage to do things like sshing to the wrong n900.. |
| 18:49.04 | frals | w00t_: i know that feeling :( |
| 18:49.22 | frals | has renamed the saved sessions to be at top/bottom of session list |
| 18:49.47 | frals | so enabling vkb seems like a good first step |
| 18:49.53 | w00t_ | haha, yes |
| 18:49.55 | w00t_ | you need to do that too |
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| 18:50.33 | frals | suggested app to test it in? ;o |
| 18:51.06 | frals | ah ill do a python app which is in portrait |
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| 18:52.31 | frals | reboot.. no vkb at all atm :P |
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| 18:54.10 | Lynoure | noobmonk3y: ah, then it's better than last when I heard :) |
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| 18:54.15 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 18:54.31 | noobmonk3y | is still battling with it - gotta be a fix by now :( |
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| 18:55.06 | Lynoure | I'm still waiting for any reaction to the patch I submitted (to a smaller problem, though) |
| 18:55.09 | frals | w00t_: this seems to work pretty good |
| 18:55.20 | w00t_ | frals: yes indeedy.. problems, as i see it: |
| 18:55.21 | noobmonk3y | for qt? :P |
| 18:55.22 | w00t_ | - packaging |
| 18:55.24 | Lynoure | So I'm under the impression fixes don't happen fast in Qt. |
| 18:55.29 | Lynoure | noobmonk3y: yup |
| 18:55.29 | noobmonk3y | ahhhh |
| 18:55.31 | w00t_ | - some way to avoid a million presses |
| 18:55.35 | noobmonk3y | big things move slowly |
| 18:55.35 | w00t_ | (T9, or other) |
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| 18:55.43 | noobmonk3y | is soooo close to getting it working though |
| 18:55.49 | Lynoure | noobmonk3y: But this was just a 2 line fix =) |
| 18:55.50 | w00t_ | frals: thoughts? |
| 18:55.51 | noobmonk3y | just.....cant..........give.......up |
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| 18:56.11 | w00t_ | Lynoure: what patch? |
| 18:56.14 | noobmonk3y | if i kill pulseaudio on the n900 will that fcuk up the device? |
| 18:56.16 | frals | w00t_: mhm, packaging should be solveable |
| 18:56.18 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | yall gota the n900? |
| 18:56.21 | xDaReaperx | hi , did anyone try out browser-switch ? |
| 18:56.24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | if so, then what provider are you using? |
| 18:56.25 | Lynoure | w00t_: wait, I'll check the bug number. |
| 18:56.27 | noobmonk3y | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, yes |
| 18:56.30 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 18:56.34 | w00t_ | Lynoure: please =) i'll try bump the appropriate people |
| 18:56.45 | w00t_ | Lynoure: note though that you will be asked to submit a merge request |
| 18:56.50 | frals | w00t_: t9 would be nice, but i saw someone who said he had a working t9 somewhere on talk, should be able to use his code hopefully |
| 18:57.12 | frals | ok doesnt work too good in browser :\ |
| 18:57.16 | w00t_ | Lynoure: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/pages/QtContributionGuidelines |
| 18:57.17 | noobmonk3y | wonders how to kill pulseaudio |
| 18:57.21 | w00t_ | frals: really? worked OK for me.. |
| 18:57.24 | w00t_ | tries |
| 18:57.25 | frals | oh it did |
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| 18:57.34 | frals | it was just thinking it was in landscape mode at first |
| 18:57.39 | frals | picking the phone up sorted it |
| 18:57.45 | w00t_ | frals: the only oddness i've noticed was from using the hw and sw keyboard at the same time. sometimes. |
| 18:58.02 | GAN900 | RST38h, thank goodness they're grandfathering |
| 18:58.14 | w00t_ | frals: shall we give it a go, then? i'm game if you are.. :) |
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| 18:58.38 | frals | yeah im up for it, i got a few days of doing nothing before leaving the country ;) |
| 19:00.24 | Lynoure | w00t_: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-10974 |
| 19:00.29 | noobmonk3y | wtf 13 dead in UK shootout |
| 19:00.34 | noobmonk3y | thats fcuked up |
| 19:00.57 | w00t_ | Lynoure: can you pop into #qt-labs for me? |
| 19:01.14 | Lynoure | w00t_: sure |
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| 19:02.00 | noobmonk3y | ffs x-chat died too |
| 19:02.28 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | yo |
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| 19:02.55 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | n900 - which providers do you guys use with it? |
| 19:03.04 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it doesn't seem to be supported by mine |
| 19:03.23 | noobmonk3y | uk vodafone |
| 19:03.29 | SpeedEvil | UK T-mobile |
| 19:03.44 | microlith | US AT&T |
| 19:03.46 | frals | w00t_: basically packaging is just changing the control file to indicate new maintainer i recon, right? |
| 19:03.55 | w00t_ | frals: I don't think so |
| 19:04.05 | microlith | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: who is your provider? |
| 19:04.13 | w00t_ | frals: it doesn't install the plugins afaik(?) and it also doesn't configure them through gconf and other magic |
| 19:04.20 | w00t_ | we'd need to figure that out |
| 19:04.21 | w00t_ | ..somehow |
| 19:04.31 | frals | w00t_: plugins are installed in postinst |
| 19:04.37 | w00t_ | ah, I didn't notice |
| 19:04.39 | xDaReaperx | how come the N900 dosent support some network providers ? |
| 19:04.40 | w00t_ | that simplifies that then |
| 19:04.40 | frals | the gconf stuff needs to be done i guess |
| 19:04.44 | w00t_ | yeah |
| 19:04.56 | w00t_ | and also a phone reboot (erm.) or prompt for one (much friendlier) |
| 19:05.23 | frals | hmm |
| 19:05.28 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | microlith, sprint |
| 19:05.32 | frals | should probably provide something to change it back to normal |
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| 19:06.25 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh | can you get the n900 subsidized from any providers? |
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| 19:07.21 | v13 | Is there any way to do the "sliding" effect like the image viewer does when switching images? |
| 19:07.22 | microlith | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Sprint uses CDMA, not GSM. The N900 will not operate on their network. And no US carriers offer a subsidized N900. |
| 19:07.48 | v13 | (programmatically) |
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| 19:10.54 | w00t_ | frals: could do that in uninstall target (maybe? no idea, i'm a packaging n00b) |
| 19:11.18 | frals | yeah could add it in prerm |
| 19:11.40 | frals | god you commited a bunch of less than useful files in initial commit :D |
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| 19:17.21 | thresh | meh, suse meego |
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| 19:18.18 | Robot101 | thresh: there's no such thing - you have to use the meego.com packages to call it meego |
| 19:18.40 | Robot101 | thresh: ie, novell have been working on the same version intel are shipping |
| 19:19.27 | thresh | so, they are a part of meego as weel? |
| 19:19.28 | thresh | well |
| 19:19.52 | Robot101 | yes basically |
| 19:23.53 | b-man|laptop | is going nutz |
| 19:24.15 | b-man|laptop | have you guys had any issues with zypper hanging in meego? |
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| 19:26.42 | thresh | wants apt for rpm |
| 19:26.47 | thresh | well, apt-rpm to be exact |
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| 19:33.38 | frals | w00t_: think ive sorted packaging now, everything cept asking for a reboot |
| 19:33.58 | w00t_ | :o! |
| 19:34.01 | w00t_ | nice |
| 19:34.16 | frals | tis was like 4 lines ;D |
| 19:35.44 | frals | seems to work alright, ill push the changes in a sec |
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| 19:36.47 | Corsac | hmmh, is there a way to NOT to-post in modest? |
| 19:37.13 | frals | w00t_: lets pray i didnt commit a bunch of junk now... ;o |
| 19:37.29 | frals | seems to have worked; http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard/hildon-portrait-keyboard/commit/60c9471c75a682f271076c459b110c38f20507c5 |
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| 19:37.49 | savant42 | greetings |
| 19:37.54 | MohammadAG | ~seen lcuk |
| 19:37.57 | infobot | lcuk <~user@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 19h 13m 3s ago, saying: 'gnite'. |
| 19:38.11 | frals | MohammadAG: hes on vacation! |
| 19:38.30 | savant42 | Does it mean I seriously hosed something if I have no sound for mp3s, etc, on a fresh reflash of maemo 5 USA? I've not had this n900 for 24 hours and Ive broken it. |
| 19:38.31 | MohammadAG | he didn't say that! |
| 19:38.50 | frals | knew the bastard wouldnt be able to stay off irc |
| 19:38.57 | w00t_ | frals: let me seeee |
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| 19:39.08 | MohammadAG | savant42, or it could be hosed before you even got it :) |
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| 19:39.24 | savant42 | it was NIB! :( |
| 19:39.29 | savant42 | I know I've heard audio out of this before |
| 19:39.34 | w00t_ | frals: maintainer needs changing too |
| 19:39.42 | savant42 | but I goofed and installed a bunch of stuff to rootfs and openssh stopped taking connections |
| 19:39.43 | Cabletwitch | Yo |
| 19:39.48 | MohammadAG | well, my vibration motor broke after a day |
| 19:39.55 | savant42 | so I reflashed it, not eMMC, and it seems more stable, but no dice on the audio |
| 19:40.02 | savant42 | oddly, the nokia handholding tone works on boot |
| 19:40.03 | MohammadAG | and it was new in box, shipped from amazon US to IL (not the state) |
| 19:40.04 | Cabletwitch | Is the bloke what does fMMS about? |
| 19:40.10 | MohammadAG | er |
| 19:40.18 | w00t_ | Cabletwitch: you want frals, but he's mine at the moment |
| 19:40.20 | MohammadAG | stupid question, but did you check volume? |
| 19:40.24 | w00t_ | :-P |
| 19:40.26 | frals | w00t_: we should probably rename the whole package tbh |
| 19:40.36 | w00t_ | frals: what's the current name? |
| 19:40.39 | w00t_ | didn't look |
| 19:40.46 | frals | w00t_: Package: hildon-input-method-plugins-example |
| 19:40.49 | w00t_ | hahaha. |
| 19:40.49 | w00t_ | yes |
| 19:40.51 | w00t_ | we should |
| 19:40.55 | frals | Cabletwitch: that be me |
| 19:40.57 | w00t_ | and probably remove the other VKBs from it, too |
| 19:41.03 | frals | w00t_: yes :) |
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| 19:41.25 | savant42 | MohammadAG: yes, checked volume, checked silent mode |
| 19:41.27 | w00t_ | will look into finding T9 code soon, just finishing up a few Qt bits |
| 19:41.42 | w00t_ | (http://gitorious.org/qt-community - if you're curious) |
| 19:41.50 | frals | w00t_: ill start renaming stuff and hope i dont break anything |
| 19:41.53 | w00t_ | ok |
| 19:42.06 | Cabletwitch | Frals: Nothing major, bud. Do get the APN info for my network, or does it actually get it by itself? |
| 19:42.07 | MohammadAG | well |
| 19:42.12 | MohammadAG | if the startup sound works |
| 19:42.18 | xDaReaperx | Whats QT ? |
| 19:42.21 | MohammadAG | it's not a HW error |
| 19:42.24 | frals | w00t_: id prefer if you cleaned up the git repo from old build files and stuff that gets generated at buildtime if you can :) |
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| 19:42.42 | MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, it's something evil, that was made to kill gtk |
| 19:42.43 | frals | Cabletwitch: from settings on the phone if possible, otherwise they have to be manually configured |
| 19:42.54 | w00t_ | frals: egh. I'll try, but no guarentees |
| 19:42.59 | w00t_ | me and autotools don't get on :-D |
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| 19:43.03 | MohammadAG | It failed - or so I hope :) |
| 19:43.11 | xDaReaperx | Oh ok |
| 19:43.37 | frals | w00t_: i know that feeling.. i finally setup stuff to be done properly for fmms last week after throwing out probably 30 different packages in different ways :P |
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| 19:44.11 | Cabletwitch | Frals: Next easy question... where would they be on the phone? :O) |
| 19:44.25 | frals | /etc/operator_settings |
| 19:44.34 | savant42 | so, if I wanted to go all the way back to a default state, would I have to flash: Fiasco -> eMMc -> pr1.2 ? |
| 19:44.49 | frals | thats where fmms gets them from, if they dont show up in fmms i suggest looking at wiki.maemo.org/MMS ;) |
| 19:44.51 | Cabletwitch | Alrighty |
| 19:44.52 | xDaReaperx | oh the date picker thingy and all are running with QT ? |
| 19:44.57 | mikki-kun | hm, is kernel-power from extras-testing "safe" to use it or does it crash the device badly? (i know, it's testing, but still many apps are rock-solid there...) |
| 19:45.13 | thresh | works here on Pr12 |
| 19:46.09 | w00t_ | frals: hmm.. which files? everything looks fairly ok |
| 19:46.41 | frals | config.guess |
| 19:46.52 | w00t_ | ah, hmm. |
| 19:47.05 | frals | config.* and debian/build/* |
| 19:47.16 | frals | config* rather, i think |
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| 19:47.30 | frals | err no, configure.ac should be there most likely |
| 19:47.51 | frals | # modified: config.guess |
| 19:47.51 | frals | # modified: config.sub |
| 19:47.51 | frals | # modified: configure |
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| 19:48.08 | thunderfest | hello all |
| 19:48.26 | Cabletwitch | Ok, question from the clueless again... best way to open and read the operator settings file? |
| 19:48.58 | Cabletwitch | is far too used to being given a choice of program when opening unknown files in windows... |
| 19:49.27 | v13 | notepad |
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| 19:49.35 | Cabletwitch | Oh, I wish. |
| 19:49.45 | thunderfest | a settings file it pry just plain text so notepad? |
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| 19:49.58 | v13 | is builder down ? |
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| 19:50.36 | Cabletwitch | If you mean the notes app on the N900, then that cant navigate anything that isnt a user folder. |
| 19:50.58 | v13 | open terminal, type "cat /etc/operator_settings" |
| 19:51.03 | v13 | without the quotes |
| 19:51.12 | Cabletwitch | Gotcha. |
| 19:51.19 | v13 | also try "more" instead of "cat" |
| 19:51.26 | thunderfest | I meant notepad on windows |
| 19:51.47 | thunderfest | so I'm trying to get scratchbox set up on a pc running ubuntu 10.04 but it keeps failing due to dependency errors...has anyone setup up scratchbox since pr1.2 or on ubuntu 10.04? |
| 19:51.48 | w00t_ | frals: pushed |
| 19:52.19 | v13 | thunderfest you can always use the vmware image. it works with qemu/kvm too |
| 19:53.13 | thunderfest | I quite like scratchbox and have been using it for some time now |
| 19:53.28 | v13 | the vmware image is a linux distro (ubuntu) with scratchbox. |
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| 19:53.54 | noctule | thunderfest: had it running okay before I switched to Fedora last week |
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| 19:54.45 | noctule | Haven't got it running on Fedora properly, but that could be down to me being an idiot |
| 19:55.11 | thunderfest | will the vmware image run under virtualbox? |
| 19:55.17 | thunderfest | where can I find it? |
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| 19:56.04 | v13 | http://tinyurl.com/22qtctk |
| 19:56.05 | Jiri | I am having i trouble installing the latest update to my n900 |
| 19:56.12 | thunderfest | I've set scracthbox up on a few machine so far and it never gave me any issues before |
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| 19:56.38 | Jiri | all the time it says "not enought memory" even though i have delete most of my progs |
| 19:57.11 | Jiri | the istallation need 113mb where i can check how much i have this free memory? |
| 19:58.11 | thunderfest | v13: thanks for the link |
| 19:58.31 | pupnik | Jiri: how are you invoking the update? |
| 19:58.42 | v13 | :P |
| 19:59.15 | Cabletwitch | Eh, I can find a few references to vodafone mms, but surely fMMS should be able to pick that up from the file, no: |
| 19:59.17 | Cabletwitch | ? |
| 19:59.25 | noctule | Jiri: have you disabled devel and testing? |
| 19:59.32 | Jiri | pupnik with wireless connection |
| 19:59.43 | Jiri | noctule yes i have disable them. |
| 19:59.46 | v13 | thunderfest: download the desktop image. the server has no gui. |
| 20:00.16 | noctule | Jiri: apologies, I always check the basics first =) |
| 20:00.22 | frals | cool w00t_ |
| 20:00.30 | frals | (i broke something localy when renaming stuff :D) |
| 20:00.33 | Jiri | don't worry |
| 20:00.34 | w00t_ | lol |
| 20:00.43 | Jiri | i try to clean the rootfs |
| 20:00.51 | pupnik | Jiri: are you using the hildon application manager and clicking the maemo5 update? |
| 20:00.51 | Jiri | but without no luck |
| 20:00.55 | thunderfest | v13: I know what server means thanks...and I don't need a gui I just need to get to the scratchbox terminal |
| 20:01.07 | Jiri | pupnik hildon? |
| 20:01.29 | pupnik | ok you are nm |
| 20:01.32 | v13 | i tried the server once but failed. But it was my first time and I didn't know how to use sb. Perhaps you'll have better luck with that. |
| 20:02.04 | v13 | thunderfest: I'm now using the desktop because of that. |
| 20:02.26 | v13 | nm ? |
| 20:02.26 | Cabletwitch | I'll bugger about with fMMS tomorrow, I think :O) |
| 20:02.36 | thunderfest | really I just want to get scratchbox up and running on this local machine. I'd rather not have to run a virtual anything |
| 20:02.51 | thunderfest | v13 is windows your host os? |
| 20:02.59 | v13 | thunderfest: linux |
| 20:03.06 | frals | Cabletwitch: why do you want to read /etc/operator_settings? ;) |
| 20:03.26 | Cabletwitch | You said the MMS settings could be found there? |
| 20:03.54 | frals | its used internally by fMMS, if they dont show up in fMMS they are most likely not there for your operator ;) |
| 20:04.05 | frals | if you want to find settings, look at wiki.maemo.org/MMS :) |
| 20:04.16 | Cabletwitch | I did find something I think was what I was after, buts presented in such a way thats it requires a degree in astrophysics to decipher. |
| 20:04.34 | Cabletwitch | Vodafone UK, they're there alright. |
| 20:04.50 | frals | and fmms doesnt pick them up? |
| 20:05.02 | frals | (from /etc/operator_settings) |
| 20:05.07 | Cabletwitch | Nothing so far. |
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| 20:05.19 | frals | alright will have to look at that at some point |
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| 20:05.28 | frals | just enter them manually in the config, they should be listed on the wiki page |
| 20:06.11 | alterego | So, those USB host modders, have they found a way around BME? |
| 20:06.34 | Jiri | i Managed to find out that i have rootfs 227,9 195,3 avaiable 28,4mb |
| 20:06.56 | Jiri | i have allready deleted the largest programs why is that so low still |
| 20:07.21 | SpeedEvil | alterego: kill it. |
| 20:07.27 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Alternatively, lie to it. |
| 20:07.37 | SpeedEvil | alterego: That is - a virtualisation attack. |
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| 20:08.56 | Jiri | i have many small programs which size is kb but still the rootfs is pretty much used |
| 20:08.57 | v13 | check if you have qt 4.6 installed. |
| 20:08.57 | v13 | webkit and others take too much space |
| 20:08.57 | noctule | Jiri: Did you grab anything that isn't optified? |
| 20:08.57 | thunderfest | looks like the vmware images are based off of karmic and not Lucid |
| 20:08.58 | brendans | jiri: Have you installed things with apt-get? Might want to issue apt-get clean |
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| 20:09.00 | Jiri | optified? |
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| 20:09.28 | v13 | gn |
| 20:09.40 | Jiri | brenadas: i tried that apt-get clean but it says that the folder is locked |
| 20:10.05 | noctule | Jiri: A lot of programs in devel didn't use the /opt directory for installing |
| 20:10.39 | Jiri | v13 what is qt 4.6? which program? |
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| 20:11.32 | Cabletwitch | Well, settings are all plugged in... there should be an mms waiting for me somewhere. |
| 20:12.06 | Cabletwitch | Also, there is no 'always ask' checkbox, the wiki is a bit incorrect. |
| 20:12.47 | Cabletwitch | Prompt password and use proxy, I mean. |
| 20:13.13 | noctule | Jiri: do a quick search through your apps to see if any of them mention Qt. It's the library that is being used by a lot of applications nowadays |
| 20:13.18 | Jiri | could someone please help me trough this in private, I am little bit confused because all the people are saying diffrent things. Please pm me! |
| 20:13.48 | frals | w00t_: nuking Makefile.in was bad, i think :D |
| 20:13.55 | pupnik | jir |
| 20:13.58 | w00t_ | frals: I don't think so, I did so on good advice |
| 20:13.59 | frals | w00t_: config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in |
| 20:14.16 | w00t_ | rerunning autogen.sh should fix that, I think |
| 20:14.21 | frals | ah, alright |
| 20:14.24 | pupnik | Jiri: to run apt-get clean you must be root and the application manager must be closed |
| 20:14.38 | frals | bah, i probably broke something |
| 20:15.01 | brendans | jiri: what pupnik said; sorry, I just noticed the response |
| 20:15.07 | frals | reset --hard and verify everything works without me messing with it i think :P |
| 20:15.15 | w00t_ | tries also |
| 20:15.42 | xDaReaperx | is there a PS1 emulator for the N900 ? |
| 20:16.07 | frals | w00t_: let me know if it works for you, not working for me :p |
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| 20:16.20 | w00t_ | let me guess: gl_FUNC_ARGZ |
| 20:16.23 | frals | yeah |
| 20:16.30 | w00t_ | I ran into this yesterday, I never found a conclusion |
| 20:16.33 | w00t_ | Stskeeps: you there? |
| 20:16.45 | w00t_ | you know all, so you will know the solution :-P |
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| 20:18.08 | frals | w00t_: seems we need libtool2, link on google to discussion here back in november :P |
| 20:18.17 | frals | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html#t2009-11-04T01:06:35 |
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| 20:18.33 | w00t_ | gnrrh |
| 20:18.43 | w00t_ | let me try something |
| 20:19.00 | digitalsurgeon1 | . |
| 20:19.42 | w00t_ | yay i think that will work |
| 20:20.29 | w00t_ | frals: think that works, hold on.. testing |
| 20:20.44 | w00t_ | yup |
| 20:20.46 | frals | push when you verified, need to fetch some dinner :) |
| 20:20.48 | w00t_ | pushed |
| 20:22.06 | frals | 14 files changed, 24740 insertions(+), 20281 deletions(-) :D |
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| 20:24.13 | Robot101 | if this file is generated, it should not be in VCS. :P |
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| 20:27.59 | thresh | how do I preload maps into ovi maps ? |
| 20:28.05 | microlith | mmm, checking in .o files :D |
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| 20:32.58 | frals | w00t_: what do we want to call the package? :P |
| 20:33.20 | w00t_ | frals: hildon-portrait-keyboard? I'm unimaginative :-p |
| 20:33.39 | frals | not sure if we should include 'hildon' in the name, dunno the policy on that |
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| 20:34.44 | MohammadAG | hildon(R)-portrait-keyboard :P |
| 20:34.57 | MohammadAG | (sadly that will get rejected by dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 20:35.22 | frals | portrait-keyboard then? ;o |
| 20:36.36 | w00t_ | works for me |
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| 20:36.42 | w00t_ | (and that is grr. :P) |
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| 20:42.24 | alterego | Well, I'm almost ready to debianize this app :D |
| 20:42.29 | thresh | yay for nookla |
| 20:42.33 | red | any idea how i could modify fbreader colors? |
| 20:42.38 | thresh | for providing *working* map loader for OSX |
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| 20:45.06 | red | n900 terminal needs find pff |
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| 20:45.26 | brendans | red: It's in the options for fbreader; there are a ton of tabs, you'll need to scroll right |
| 20:45.39 | mikki-kun | hm, anybody an idea why i don't have /usr/sbin/kernel-load on my device although i have kernel-power installed (kernel-power is v37) |
| 20:45.56 | brendans | red: e.g. I often set it with red text on a black background because it's better for night reading... doesn't kill my night vision as much |
| 20:46.25 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Red text on black?? |
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| 20:46.29 | mikki-kun | ohh, ok, seems as i forgot to execute one command... |
| 20:46.31 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Never heard that one before |
| 20:46.50 | brendans | I find it works. Looks a bit weird with mobi books that have images though |
| 20:47.01 | red | brendans: oh lol didnt realize that |
| 20:47.04 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Yellow on dark blue is where it's at |
| 20:47.13 | red | i also want red on black since i read at night |
| 20:47.15 | brendans | often white on black, depending on the day |
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| 20:47.45 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: Interesting... I may have to try that |
| 20:47.45 | red | red color doesnt kill dark eyesight |
| 20:48.16 | Gadgetoid_iPad | brendans: It's a scientifically accurate method of achieving high contrast |
| 20:48.26 | brendans | red: Yeah, I mean it only sort of works, because even at full black the screen lets a bit of the backlight through. Better than some of the other options though |
| 20:48.39 | SpeedEvil | brendans: Oooh |
| 20:48.48 | Gadgetoid_iPad | As yellow/blue trigger different parts of the eyes optical receptors- I believe |
| 20:49.48 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: lol, that's officially my favourite phrase of the day; reminds me of the XKCD shirt http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#Science |
| 20:50.05 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Black level on the ipad is good, but the backlight wont dial down enough- gah |
| 20:50.53 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Hahaha @ "science, it works bitches" |
| 20:51.09 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: That's entirely why I'm doing my degree in the first place, just so I can walk around and say whatever I want :D |
| 20:51.20 | SpeedEvil | brendans: echo 2 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness |
| 20:51.26 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: I forget, is the iPad OLED? |
| 20:51.30 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I am wholly unqualified, hurrah for me |
| 20:51.40 | brendans | SpeedEvil: handy, thanks |
| 20:51.41 | SpeedEvil | brendans: will set it to the dimmest mode. Which is somewhat dimmer than available through the UI |
| 20:51.45 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Nope, it's an IPS lcd panel |
| 20:51.55 | SpeedEvil | brendans: add that as a 'queen beecon' onto the desktop |
| 20:51.59 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Very, very nice screen... But it sucks for nighttime reading |
| 20:52.00 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: Ah, k |
| 20:52.18 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: too bright? |
| 20:52.22 | red | brendans: the bleed is to be expected, but its not that bad on lowest brightness tbh |
| 20:52.25 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Fbreader is king |
| 20:52.27 | brendans | SpeedEvil: Good idea |
| 20:52.35 | Gadgetoid_iPad | SpeedEvil: Aye |
| 20:52.39 | brendans | red: Yeah, fair enough |
| 20:52.44 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: Sunglasses. :) |
| 20:52.48 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Also the whole thing is too big to fall asleep reading |
| 20:52.51 | red | i also like droid sans over regular :) |
| 20:52.58 | brendans | anyone know how to adjust the aggressiveness of the ambient light sensor to do the same thing automatically? |
| 20:53.04 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: yeah - fbreader works great for that. |
| 20:53.18 | SpeedEvil | suspects it's 'Important nokia IP' |
| 20:53.21 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 20:53.26 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 20:53.26 | infobot | methinks closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 20:53.59 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I have never found anything better than fbreader on the n810... The rocker switch is just in the right place and the stand works as a hand strap |
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| 20:54.23 | SpeedEvil | I find the screen works well - fingertap |
| 20:54.35 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Plus the better brightness util on the n810 is excellent |
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| 20:55.01 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: I used to use my n800 stand as a hand strap all the time... now I just took a wiimote strap and threaded it through the n900's clip |
| 20:55.19 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Can't seem to get the same finesse on the n900s brightness |
| 20:55.23 | luke-jr | lol |
| 20:55.54 | Gadgetoid_iPad | That's a good idea there brendans |
| 20:56.21 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Not like I actually use wii controllers to play wii games.... Haha a preposterous notion! |
| 20:56.24 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: Yeah, I don't use it on the wiimote anyway, since I don't own a wii, and the wiimote is mostly used as a gyro mouse |
| 20:56.38 | brendans | hence less risk of throwing it across the room |
| 20:57.19 | brendans | plus, the wiimote strap has the awesome locking clip, so I can feel moderately assured of not dropping the n900 |
| 20:57.29 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I think my neighbour was playing wii earlier....either that or trying to box flies |
| 20:57.42 | SpeedEvil | brendans: you mean through the lanyard hole? |
| 20:58.07 | brendans | SpeedEvil: Yes, exactly; I was trying to phrase it without it sounding strange |
| 20:58.09 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I keep dropping my n900, it lives on |
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| 20:58.26 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: I've once accidentally thrown it across the room. |
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| 20:58.49 | brendans | Gadgetoid_iPad: I'm in Canada with one ordered from the US, so I'm moderately paranoid about issues that may lead to warranty service |
| 20:58.52 | Gadgetoid_iPad | It's a pretty tough phone, surprisingly... Not having a sheet of freaking glass probably helps |
| 20:58.53 | brendans | (or lack thereof) |
| 20:58.58 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, err, how? |
| 20:59.04 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: It has a sheet of glass. |
| 20:59.08 | SpeedEvil | Proabbly 3 even |
| 20:59.17 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I was in bed - and flipped off the covers |
| 20:59.19 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Ah Canuck eh.... I'm a quarter! |
| 20:59.20 | SpeedEvil | And the n900 |
| 20:59.27 | Gadgetoid_iPad | It does? Whatwhatwhat |
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| 20:59.40 | johnsq | Hi |
| 20:59.42 | MohammadAG | ouch |
| 20:59.46 | Gadgetoid_iPad | The glass must be under the restive doodad then |
| 20:59.58 | ShadowJK | but the sheets of glass are surrounded by plastics :) |
| 21:00.04 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Less susceptible to shock |
| 21:00.04 | brendans | <obligatory gorilla glass reference/> |
| 21:00.07 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: the touchpad has one 0.3mm or so layer of plastic. Then ~1.5mm of glass, then another couple of sheets on the display |
| 21:01.06 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Interesting |
| 21:01.16 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Curry just arrived hurrah |
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| 21:01.52 | Gadgetoid_iPad | As usual the complimentary salad looks like the garbage bag from a vegan restaurant |
| 21:02.52 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I think some folks in here finally convinced me to start making bread |
| 21:03.02 | SpeedEvil | Bread is fun. |
| 21:03.14 | Gadgetoid_iPad | I just got a bread maker.... Heh |
| 21:03.15 | SpeedEvil | Breadmakers make it really handy. |
| 21:03.25 | SpeedEvil | Is it one with the paddle at the bottom? |
| 21:03.35 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Did gingerbread today.... Deeelicious |
| 21:03.47 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Aye yes... Paddle doesn't do the loaf many favours |
| 21:04.08 | SpeedEvil | They die after ~100 cycles. When baking, remove the paddle, put a blob of margarine on the shaft of the paddle, and then replace |
| 21:04.14 | SpeedEvil | this makes it last much longer |
| 21:04.29 | SpeedEvil | as it discourages the mixture getting into the bearing |
| 21:04.45 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Interesting |
| 21:05.04 | SpeedEvil | Also - don't drop a spoon in, and forget about it. It does not do the non-stick coating much good. |
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| 21:05.12 | Gadgetoid_iPad | The paddle mechanism and tin are removable though, and presumably replaceable in the worst case |
| 21:05.30 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Hahaha the mixture of my gingerbread stuck to the side and bored up my loaf |
| 21:05.42 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: In principle. However - spares are typically only available for 2 or 3 years |
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| 21:05.54 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Should have given it a bit of a stir beforehand... Although the mixing cycle is about a half hour long |
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| 21:06.38 | alterego | Well, Just got to fix a little bug in the UI code and I'm pretty much ready. |
| 21:06.46 | alterego | Oh, wait, still need to make an icon and .desktop stuff. |
| 21:07.17 | Gadgetoid_iPad | The whole bearing mechanism is secured with a little pin hmm |
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| 21:09.38 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Temptation to bake more bread rising |
| 21:09.42 | E0x | http://www.callingallinnovators.com/ |
| 21:09.43 | pupnik | heheh |
| 21:09.53 | E0x | somebody is subming something ? |
| 21:09.55 | pupnik | what kind Gadgetoid_iPad |
| 21:10.18 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Not sure this time, I personally want some wholemeal or seeded |
| 21:10.31 | SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_iPad: I plan on recycling my neo1973 into a microwave controller, complete with webcam to measure bread rise, and kick off at peak rise, or at rise height |
| 21:11.19 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Hahaha SpeedEvil, overkill much? |
| 21:12.04 | pupnik | microwaved bread? |
| 21:14.23 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Cooking bread with phone radiation? |
| 21:14.27 | frals | w00t_: pushed packaging changes now, they seemed to work :P |
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| 21:15.18 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Battle for wesnoth on the iPhone/ipad is really something |
| 21:16.23 | Gadgetoid_iPad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:23.40 | Shapeshifter | Gadgetoid_iPad: iPad? |
| 21:23.42 | Shapeshifter | ... |
| 21:24.12 | MohammadAG | what |
| 21:24.28 | MohammadAG | it's nice to see some harmony between iCrap and #maemo |
| 21:24.42 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Shapeshifter: Waah? |
| 21:24.43 | w00t_ | frals: awesome |
| 21:25.20 | MohammadAG | (pyQt) http://i48.tinypic.com/zugni8.jpg any ideas why those buttons look like that? |
| 21:25.25 | Gadgetoid_iPad | The only downside i can see to the ipad is the price, which is pretty steep |
| 21:25.40 | frals | MohammadAG i recognize that |
| 21:25.47 | frals | from when the sizing policy is fubar in gtk |
| 21:26.08 | MohammadAG | do you know of a fix for it? |
| 21:26.12 | MohammadAG | they're quite annoying |
| 21:26.19 | frals | dont mess around with button size... :D |
| 21:26.20 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I also noticed that when I tried hacking on a desktop widget using plain Qt. it's weird |
| 21:26.25 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:26.45 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I think genereally it has to do with the weird theming that is going on on maemo |
| 21:26.46 | MohammadAG | sets target milestone as PR1.3 |
| 21:26.59 | Gadgetoid_iPad | Hostmode what what? |
| 21:29.58 | brendans | just got back from afk; for what it's worth, I'm using a Macbook Pro |
| 21:30.10 | b-man|laptop | MohammadAG: i think i found something thats worse than yum - zypper xD |
| 21:30.36 | brendans | also 8 core server running centos, laptop running ubuntu, beagleboard running gentoo, n900, a few other misc things that are too old to mention |
| 21:30.36 | MohammadAG | LOL that's what MeeGo uses |
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| 21:31.09 | brendans | don't see any reason iWhatevers and Linux can't interact |
| 21:32.11 | b-man|laptop | MohammadAG: yup - all of my repo entries in meego are messed up lol |
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| 21:37.09 | Noma | http://yx.fi/2fq <- will this work with the host mode when it'll be stable and released?:p |
| 21:38.53 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 21:39.03 | timeless_mbp | who here was using Modest in portrait mode? |
| 21:39.10 | timeless_mbp | i do have a fix for you if you're using en-* |
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| 21:39.41 | alterego | Hrm, is it possible to write an application that just opens a dialog? |
| 21:40.00 | timeless_mbp | alterego: i use zenity for that |
| 21:40.01 | pigeon | timeless_mbp: i don't even know modest has portrait mode... |
| 21:40.05 | alterego | When I create the .desktop and start it from the app menu, a main window is appearing .. |
| 21:40.13 | timeless_mbp | pigeon: it's an easter egg in 1.2 |
| 21:40.13 | alterego | timeless_mbp: it's a bit more of a complicated dialog ;) |
| 21:40.27 | pigeon | timeless_mbp: how to enable it? |
| 21:40.32 | alterego | timeless_mbp: http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png |
| 21:40.46 | timeless_mbp | [in modest!] ctrl-shift-r + collapse keyboard + rotate phone to portrait |
| 21:40.55 | pigeon | oh |
| 21:41.05 | timeless_mbp | do not skip a step, do not expect something magical when your keyboard is open or when your phone is in landscape |
| 21:41.46 | frals | alterego: its trivial to write an application that just launches a dialog: import gtk; gtk.Dialog().run().destroy() should probably do the trick |
| 21:42.00 | timeless_mbp | alterego: : that's indeed a bit more complicated |
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| 21:42.12 | timeless_mbp | alterego: we hacked zenity to have a parent window argument |
| 21:42.13 | alterego | frals: the dialog is fine, it's hildon desktop launching it that's the problem. |
| 21:42.25 | alterego | frals: when I launch it form the app menu. |
| 21:42.32 | alterego | s/form/from/ |
| 21:42.34 | pigeon | hmm, is there a way to get n900 to mount ext2 on the micro sd card slot automatically instead of the default vfat? |
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| 21:43.01 | timeless_mbp | alterego: it sounds like you're being treated as a system modal dialog |
| 21:43.11 | timeless_mbp | you need to give yourself a parent to avoid that problem |
| 21:43.19 | alterego | timeless_mbp: I have no parents :( |
| 21:43.31 | alterego | timeless_mbp: also, this is Qt/PySide ;) |
| 21:43.39 | timeless_mbp | alterego: so... |
| 21:43.45 | timeless_mbp | you can buy a parent |
| 21:43.51 | timeless_mbp | launch settings and parent yourself to it |
| 21:44.02 | timeless_mbp | please note that MfE just ends up modal |
| 21:44.07 | timeless_mbp | so does Presence |
| 21:44.20 | timeless_mbp | it's standard fare for the things in that menu to become system modal |
| 21:44.24 | timeless_mbp | even if they aren't otherwise |
| 21:44.38 | alterego | I did want my program to launch from settings originally, but it seems like it was difficult to write a plugin for it :/ |
| 21:44.41 | timeless_mbp | alterego: parents are just numbers |
| 21:44.48 | timeless_mbp | alterego: it's trivial |
| 21:44.49 | tybollt | tim e |
| 21:44.56 | alterego | timeless_mbp: even from python? |
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| 21:45.16 | alterego | Let me guess, |
| 21:45.25 | timeless_mbp | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/cpa.c |
| 21:45.29 | alterego | it's just a f*cking .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel ? |
| 21:45.31 | timeless_mbp | alterego: that's the entire C program for it |
| 21:45.37 | tybollt | anyone here running meego ona laptop |
| 21:45.40 | tybollt | ? |
| 21:45.51 | timeless_mbp | not sure about python |
| 21:46.10 | alterego | timeless_mbp: I found an example that bootstrapped python from a c app. |
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| 21:46.19 | timeless_mbp | but really, considering the size, you could just give yourself a C binary |
| 21:46.26 | timeless_mbp | alterego: i have a cpa package which i depend on |
| 21:46.37 | timeless_mbp | and then a cross platform perl script which does the actual work |
| 21:46.43 | timeless_mbp | which is in a different package |
| 21:47.27 | alterego | I think I might just submit it to extras-devel as is, and then work on putting it into the contorl panel / settings later |
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| 21:47.44 | timeless_mbp | alterego: anyway, download the code now |
| 21:48.12 | alterego | done |
| 21:48.32 | alterego | "this file is too short to be copyrightable" :D |
| 21:48.58 | pupnik | hahah |
| 21:49.09 | mark82 | umm, I'm using microb in portrait mode, but top bar is not displayed, it's the normal behaviour? |
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| 21:49.58 | timeless_mbp | mark82: is this 1.1.1 or 1.2? |
| 21:50.06 | timeless_mbp | wait, top bar? |
| 21:50.11 | timeless_mbp | correct, there isn't supposed to be a top bar |
| 21:50.19 | timeless_mbp | you only get a tiny bottom bar |
| 21:50.30 | mark82 | timeless: 1.2 ... so to close the browser I have to turn it into landscape mode? |
| 21:50.33 | timeless_mbp | the goal of portrait mode browsing is to *browser* |
| 21:50.37 | timeless_mbp | mark82: well |
| 21:50.40 | timeless_mbp | you can use ctrl-backspace :) |
| 21:50.53 | timeless_mbp | mark82: but the desktop and task switcher don't support portrait mode |
| 21:51.00 | timeless_mbp | so you'll have to go there soon enough |
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| 21:51.28 | mark82 | timeless_mbp: you're right, but I'd like to have a small "x" to close it anyway, like witter or facebrik do :) |
| 21:51.51 | timeless_mbp | mark82: i'd rather fix the back arrow to provide an X |
| 21:52.00 | timeless_mbp | and i'm closer to a position to be able to get that to work |
| 21:52.09 | timeless_mbp | sadly, i'm not *actually* in a position to get it to happen |
| 21:52.13 | dockane | hi all. i currently working on a shell script to setup initial things for maemo (network, hostname, softkeyboard of xterm, etc). since i am not root from scratch (rootsh not installed yet) there is some sort of chicken-or-the-egg dilemma. any ideas? maybe an .install file with an uri to file:///rootsh. could that work? |
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| 21:53.31 | frals | btw w00t_, i changed the prerm to postrm because.. it shouldve been postrm to begin with ;D |
| 21:53.40 | w00t_ | lol |
| 21:53.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:54.00 | timeless_mbp | dockane: sorry, eh? |
| 21:54.04 | w00t_ | mark82: yeah! facebrick is just awesome isn't it |
| 21:54.13 | timeless_mbp | you can have a .install file which suggests installing a package |
| 21:54.15 | frals | :D |
| 21:54.19 | timeless_mbp | the package can have preinst and postinst |
| 21:54.27 | timeless_mbp | and it can have predepends |
| 21:54.58 | dockane | timeless_mbp: sure.. just forget the .install part of my question |
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| 21:56.49 | mark82 | w00t_: heh, are you its developer? |
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| 21:57.54 | w00t_ | mark82: ..i might be.. |
| 21:57.55 | w00t_ | :-) |
| 21:58.23 | midas_ | insert dramatic music now. |
| 21:58.37 | mark82 | w00t_: well done, keep up the good work :) |
| 21:59.23 | w00t_ | mark82: thanks - relevant might be my latest tweet: http://twitter.com/w00teh/status/15279014152 - go brik \o/ |
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| 22:00.13 | midas_ | so, whats the story on the new ovi store, was it released yet? :) |
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| 22:01.07 | MohammadAG | yes, kind of |
| 22:01.47 | midas_ | thats what i usally say to my own developers when they sort of finish their work :P |
| 22:02.12 | brendans | having a dumb moment; what's the VI syntax to read a file into a buffer and paste at the cursor? :r!something? |
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| 22:03.33 | mikki-kun | hm, could anybody be grateful enough in uploading his .profile from the n900's root-account? i accidently replaced it, unknowing it would have been that important (i am not used in using .profile therefore i didn't knew how important it was) |
| 22:04.08 | alterego | mikki-kun: when a file is hidden, it's usually hidden to stop you stupidly deleting it randomly :P |
| 22:04.12 | luke-jr | injects a trojan |
| 22:04.15 | alterego | But it should be _that_ important .. |
| 22:04.22 | luke-jr | alterego: not really |
| 22:04.24 | alterego | Not to a normal N900 user |
| 22:04.30 | alterego | ~shouldn't .. |
| 22:04.46 | luke-jr | it's hidden because it's for software, not user |
| 22:04.47 | mikki-kun | alterego: i have been using linux for quiet a while and neither arch nor gentoo utilize .profile... |
| 22:05.02 | alterego | mikki-kun: I think you'll find they do, |
| 22:05.12 | alterego | Even if you're not using it. |
| 22:05.16 | luke-jr | alterego: I can confirm Gentoo does not |
| 22:05.26 | alterego | serious;y? |
| 22:05.29 | mikki-kun | i don't even have .profile here on gentoo |
| 22:05.44 | alterego | lame |
| 22:05.49 | alterego | :D |
| 22:05.50 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: .profile is not supported by busyox sh |
| 22:05.54 | luke-jr | supports != utilizes |
| 22:05.54 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: AIUI |
| 22:06.15 | mikki-kun | hm, cause now it tells me it can't find the paths when using root |
| 22:06.33 | luke-jr | lulz |
| 22:06.34 | mikki-kun | an example would be "shutdown -h now" "shutdown not found" -_- |
| 22:06.54 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Have you been screwing with stuff? |
| 22:07.03 | luke-jr | lol fail |
| 22:07.14 | luke-jr | mikki-kun: "halt" is much shorter |
| 22:07.19 | SpeedEvil | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 22:07.19 | SpeedEvil | export PATH |
| 22:07.19 | SpeedEvil | mesg n |
| 22:07.20 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 22:07.21 | mikki-kun | i just replaced .profile, thinking it wouldn't have any data |
| 22:07.25 | SpeedEvil | is my .profile |
| 22:07.28 | SpeedEvil | maybe I'm wrong |
| 22:07.47 | mikki-kun | hm, ok, then it won't me that much to replace... thanks := |
| 22:07.49 | mikki-kun | :) |
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| 22:08.20 | mikki-kun | i thought it would have been full with stuff as busybox is totally new to me with how it handles stuff |
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| 22:09.33 | SpeedEvil | It basically doesn't - if it can avoid it |
| 22:09.54 | luke-jr | mikki-kun: run "halt" |
| 22:09.58 | SpeedEvil | Busybox is designed to do the absolute minimum it can - even if the omissions would annoy the interactive user |
| 22:10.07 | SpeedEvil | sync thrice first! |
| 22:10.19 | mikki-kun | luke-jr: i've never used halt |
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| 22:11.07 | mikki-kun | and i probably never will cause i stick to shutdown -h now in some way when executing that command |
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| 22:12.01 | microlith | oh nice |
| 22:12.13 | microlith | accepts a meeting cancellation by his phone |
| 22:12.57 | mikki-kun | i think busybox is a lil too hardcore if it relies that much on certain files... |
| 22:14.01 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 22:14.11 | SpeedEvil | So does every shell in the world typically to set hte path |
| 22:14.46 | mikki-kun | when utilizing bash i never encountered a problem with "command not found" |
| 22:15.01 | SpeedEvil | rm /etc/profile ~/.bashrc |
| 22:15.03 | SpeedEvil | and you will |
| 22:15.09 | marmoute | mikki-kun: PATH= any-nn-core-cmd |
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| 22:16.50 | MohammadAG | Height set to 105, still have the problem http://i49.tinypic.com/1j4ttu.jpg |
| 22:17.08 | brendans | I actually think that the built in shell is fine, with some tweaks and a judicious "apt-get install coreutils-gnu" |
| 22:17.25 | brendans | but that's really doing a run around on most of the busybox components |
| 22:17.54 | Noma | MohammadAG: don |
| 22:17.56 | SpeedEvil | For script use - busybox is just fine |
| 22:18.03 | Noma | don't care what it looks like - just make it work :D |
| 22:18.04 | mikki-kun | i would have liked to see something without busybox... hm, is actually meego built with busybox or not? |
| 22:18.21 | MohammadAG | Noma, it works, so back to the main problem :P |
| 22:18.29 | Noma | :D |
| 22:18.54 | SpeedEvil | Busybox is lots faster, uses much, much less RAM. |
| 22:19.05 | V13 | lol... speedevil: you have 203 thanks, 150 from which come from your usb post :-)))) |
| 22:19.12 | SpeedEvil | There are around a dozen scripts or so run at once in early boot |
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| 22:19.25 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, IMMA KILL YOU |
| 22:19.42 | mikki-kun | may i see some comparisons there? |
| 22:19.45 | SpeedEvil | 'normal' linux utils will take perhaps 5s longer to boot |
| 22:19.46 | MohammadAG | throws a whale at noobmonk3y |
| 22:19.57 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Do benchmarking. |
| 22:20.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
| 22:20.22 | SpeedEvil | see that - for more info on how much memory stuff is using |
| 22:20.52 | brendans | SpeedEvil: Yeah, I like having the gnu utils for command-line work, but they're sourced in when I start an interactive terminal, so the only real loss is the disk space in / |
| 22:21.16 | mikki-kun | hm, i was more into one device without busybox and one with |
| 22:21.25 | SpeedEvil | just setup the path to /usr/bin/gnu - and you're sorted. |
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| 22:21.36 | noobmonk3y_ | sorry xchat had a moment |
| 22:21.43 | noobmonk3y_ | along with my laptop re-hibernating, random |
| 22:21.51 | noobmonk3y_ | why are you killing me MohammadAG ? |
| 22:21.55 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: hey, were you one of the people interested in portrait mail? |
| 22:21.57 | timeless_mbp | needs a tester |
| 22:22.01 | mikki-kun | not just checking which app takes less memory... |
| 22:22.02 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, I already killed you :) |
| 22:22.12 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, afaik he was |
| 22:22.15 | noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
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| 22:22.20 | brendans | SpeedEvil: Right, I forgot it's optified |
| 22:22.23 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: not very, no, I haven't actually used modest at all. |
| 22:22.23 | noobmonk3y_ | haunts the troutyness that is frals |
| 22:22.24 | lardman|home | evening all |
| 22:22.24 | MohammadAG | just add a portrait flag to the modest source :) |
| 22:22.27 | noobmonk3y_ | hey lard |
| 22:22.42 | lardman|home | hey noobmonk3y_ |
| 22:22.48 | noobmonk3y_ | :) |
| 22:22.48 | SpeedEvil | timeless: I was indeed idly pondering removing it |
| 22:22.53 | noobmonk3y_ | slaps noobmonk3y |
| 22:23.20 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: *removing* it? |
| 22:23.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:23.29 | SpeedEvil | It uses ~5 meg of memory |
| 22:23.31 | ShadowJK | Completing a learning cycle for bq27200 after PR1.2 seems very hard |
| 22:23.37 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: oh, you mean modest |
| 22:23.43 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:23.46 | lardman|home | wonders why his TMO moderator powers were revoked |
| 22:23.47 | SpeedEvil | oh - yes |
| 22:24.15 | timeless_mbp | complains about nokia's totally broken definition of 'memory' |
| 22:24.23 | timeless_mbp | conflating storage w/ ram is a terrible idea :( |
| 22:24.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I was thinking dig in the scripts for init. apt-get remove works |
| 22:24.31 | SpeedEvil | timeless: yes it is. |
| 22:24.36 | SpeedEvil | timeless: I mean PSS actually |
| 22:25.06 | SpeedEvil | timeless: but sure - I'll test. |
| 22:25.19 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: gimme a bit, my build process is kinda backwards |
| 22:25.27 | timeless_mbp | hey, anyone here familiar w/ Gtk menus? |
| 22:25.34 | timeless_mbp | is it possible for a menu item to include a newline? |
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| 22:26.10 | HtheB | o/ |
| 22:26.14 | HtheB | just a question |
| 22:26.25 | pronto | just an answer |
| 22:26.28 | HtheB | will meego work with default notebooks/laptops? |
| 22:26.35 | HtheB | notebooks/pc's * |
| 22:26.36 | timeless_mbp | HtheB: is this #meego? |
| 22:26.39 | microlith | 1) #meego |
| 22:26.40 | HtheB | meh |
| 22:26.40 | HtheB | ok |
| 22:26.46 | HtheB | my bad :p |
| 22:27.03 | HtheB | didnt know meego exist |
| 22:27.10 | HtheB | #meego* |
| 22:29.04 | MohammadAG | microlith, 2)? :) |
| 22:29.17 | timeless_mbp | there is no #2 |
| 22:29.36 | microlith | what timeless_mbp said |
| 22:29.52 | HtheB | :D :D :D |
| 22:29.53 | HtheB | heh |
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| 22:29.58 | noobmonk3y | wtf! |
| 22:30.03 | noobmonk3y | damn effing x-chat |
| 22:30.07 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: BME _always_ shuts down with the stock battery at a few millivolts shy of the learn threshold here. |
| 22:30.08 | noobmonk3y | apologises to MohammadAG |
| 22:30.29 | noobmonk3y | x-chat just just rammed me up the bum with a trout...... wasn't fun |
| 22:30.36 | ShadowJK | speedevil: mine's shutting down at 3350 now |
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| 22:30.58 | HtheB | rofl |
| 22:30.58 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: even with 1.1 |
| 22:31.18 | MohammadAG | <microlith> what timeless_mbp said |
| 22:31.26 | MohammadAG | that would be 3( |
| 22:31.28 | MohammadAG | )* |
| 22:31.36 | microlith | ha |
| 22:31.44 | HtheB | lols :D |
| 22:31.47 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Interestingly. Last measured discharges - 926 - 935 - 935 - 945 - 948 |
| 22:32.02 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: (may be out by a factor of n) |
| 22:32.05 | pwnguin | what exactly is Nokia Messaging? |
| 22:32.17 | pwnguin | people talk about using it for gmail push |
| 22:32.22 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: a gateway drug |
| 22:32.42 | microlith | enjoys his simple pop3 gmail setup |
| 22:32.45 | HtheB | i hate pushmail |
| 22:32.49 | HtheB | i just go to www.gmail.com |
| 22:32.53 | HtheB | or even better: |
| 22:32.54 | HtheB | m.gmail.com |
| 22:32.59 | HtheB | works great |
| 22:33.06 | pwnguin | i kinda like the client |
| 22:33.08 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: my word you've been pimping your TMO thanks karma with that usb thread ;) |
| 22:33.16 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: basically nokia messaging is a man in the middle attack on your mail servers |
| 22:33.20 | pwnguin | heh |
| 22:33.24 | timeless_mbp | you give nokia your credentials |
| 22:33.30 | timeless_mbp | they claim to use them on your behalf |
| 22:33.34 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Actually - I hadn't thought about that - I was trying to create some buzz - and get more devs interested. |
| 22:33.38 | timeless_mbp | they pretend to be you when they talk to your mail servers |
| 22:33.40 | ShadowJK | tries restarting n900 a few times and hope voltage goes below threshold long enough |
| 22:33.44 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: what is nokia messaging? :S |
| 22:33.47 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: stop bme |
| 22:33.51 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: ;) oh and good stuff too! |
| 22:33.53 | timeless_mbp | but it means that you in theory get better battery life |
| 22:34.10 | timeless_mbp | because nokia can "optimize" the data that is sent wrt the mail you read |
| 22:34.12 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I've been doing it whenever I get it beeping at me |
| 22:34.18 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: stop bme |
| 22:34.24 | MohammadAG | ^ adds about 10 minutes btw |
| 22:34.27 | MohammadAG | or 15 |
| 22:34.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 22:34.38 | pwnguin | timeless_mbp: you know if this is related to carriers at all? like hosted with them or something? |
| 22:34.38 | MohammadAG | or 20 with the screen locked and wifi disconnected |
| 22:34.54 | pwnguin | becuase tmobile apparently Does Not Want nokia messaging |
| 22:35.09 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: what is nokia messaging? :S |
| 22:35.15 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: see above |
| 22:35.20 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: nokia sometimes tries to make money by charging carriers |
| 22:35.22 | pwnguin | tybollt: dude, you just read the explaination |
| 22:35.23 | noobmonk3y | w00t_, is your brain fried yet? |
| 22:35.33 | pwnguin | timeless_mbp: i dont even have a data plan =/ |
| 22:35.34 | timeless_mbp | with the expectation that they'd pass the cost along to their customers |
| 22:35.42 | tybollt | o_O |
| 22:35.48 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: use MfE w/ gmail |
| 22:35.52 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp: I always thought nokia messaging was a "email through proprietary protocols so we can charge through the nose for it"-initiative requested by operators and consequently made by Nokia into MITM-attack gateway drug unfit for its original purpose :) |
| 22:35.53 | timeless_mbp | in 1.2 it probably works |
| 22:35.53 | tybollt | it's late, verdamtes... :) |
| 22:35.55 | w00t_ | noobmonk3y: i'm really having trouble keeping up |
| 22:35.55 | lardman|home | one of the Nokia servers flagged up a "someone's nicked your password" warning for my wife, saying the server was in Israel trying to access her GMail account |
| 22:35.59 | pwnguin | timeless_mbp: can i have more than one mfe account? |
| 22:36.01 | noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 22:36.04 | pwnguin | ive got exchange at work =( |
| 22:36.05 | w00t_ | trying to do 4-5 things at a time is getting difficult |
| 22:36.06 | noobmonk3y | pats w00t_ on the head :) |
| 22:36.10 | timeless_mbp | pwnguin: sadly, no |
| 22:36.14 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 22:36.17 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: when will there be multi mfe per device? |
| 22:36.19 | timeless_mbp | that's perhaps wrong |
| 22:36.25 | noobmonk3y | w00t_, i allways thought you where super human? pffffftttt even lcuk needs holidays lol |
| 22:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ignoring beeping gave me 90..120min :-) |
| 22:36.31 | timeless_mbp | it's probably possible to trick mfe into giving you more than one account |
| 22:36.33 | pwnguin | timeless_mbp: this is why i was hoping nokia messaging wasn't as dumb as it is |
| 22:36.36 | timeless_mbp | and it might be worth doing |
| 22:36.51 | timeless_mbp | mfe is controlled by some gconf settings |
| 22:37.10 | timeless_mbp | w/ some trickery you should be able to stop mfe, swap in a different mfe setting set, start it, do stuff, rinse + repeat |
| 22:37.17 | pwnguin | meh |
| 22:37.24 | pwnguin | maybe ill just figure out why imap stopped working |
| 22:37.31 | timeless_mbp | i suspect there's a large enough userbase to justify working on it |
| 22:37.32 | tybollt | Awesome - it is amazin how totalitarian the US is getting |
| 22:37.33 | timeless_mbp | i'd help |
| 22:37.33 | tybollt | http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns |
| 22:37.35 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: More like 2 hours. |
| 22:39.07 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: you'd still have to solve the multi database issue assuming of course it is not configurable |
| 22:40.04 | wazd | http://www.therapistfinder.com/ |
| 22:40.13 | wazd | oh.my.god |
| 22:40.42 | pwnguin | every hospital seems to have a resident rapist! |
| 22:40.48 | thresh | wazd: old stuff |
| 22:40.51 | thresh | aka bayan |
| 22:41.02 | opdf2 | is there a maximum capacity for calendar events? |
| 22:41.19 | pwnguin | opdf2: probably depends on the room :P |
| 22:41.21 | wazd | thresh: aw :( |
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| 22:42.25 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: so, they're all files |
| 22:42.27 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:42.41 | timeless_mbp | as long as the service is stopped |
| 22:42.47 | timeless_mbp | it shouldn't be a big problem |
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| 22:43.28 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
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| 22:45.03 | wazd | any javascript/jquery demons in here maybe? |
| 22:47.46 | asj | wazd: I've writen some js...what do you need? |
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| 22:48.20 | wazd | asj: erm, to add a tiny modification to the existing script |
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| 22:50.20 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: hmmm that's tempting you kno :) |
| 22:50.36 | tybollt | and then you could guify it w/ pygtk or sommat |
| 22:50.54 | noobmonk3y | waves gnight |
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| 22:51.02 | noobmonk3y | eats frals |
| 22:51.02 | HtheB | noobmonk3y, |
| 22:51.09 | noobmonk3y | waves at HtheB |
| 22:51.11 | lcukn900 | waves at noob |
| 22:51.12 | HtheB | i want that fart app! |
| 22:51.13 | HtheB | :p |
| 22:51.18 | noobmonk3y | waves at lcukn900 !!! |
| 22:51.20 | MohammadAG | ZOMG It's lcukn900 |
| 22:51.21 | noobmonk3y | evening lcuky |
| 22:51.23 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 22:51.32 | noobmonk3y | HtheB, when Qt fix QtMultimedia you can have it |
| 22:51.41 | lcukn900 | heya guys |
| 22:51.42 | noobmonk3y | lcukn900, WINGE!! Qt = borked |
| 22:51.51 | noobmonk3y | hows the holiday?! |
| 22:51.52 | HtheB | sup woth QtMult? |
| 22:51.53 | lcukn900 | has been stroking prebacon today |
| 22:51.56 | HtheB | with* |
| 22:52.05 | noobmonk3y | HtheB, not working on the N900 - the bit i want -- |
| 22:52.15 | noobmonk3y | (Equalizer farts!) |
| 22:52.21 | lcukn900 | qt will work. it just needs more hammering |
| 22:52.23 | MohammadAG | the fart brewery |
| 22:52.24 | HtheB | so, PR1.2 still isnt THE solution =( |
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| 22:52.32 | noobmonk3y | HtheB, it may be |
| 22:52.35 | noobmonk3y | i'm a dumbass |
| 22:52.42 | HtheB | ask for help? :p |
| 22:52.44 | noobmonk3y | i feel qt mobility may be |
| 22:52.50 | noobmonk3y | HtheB, Lcuk's on holiday ;) |
| 22:52.52 | noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 22:52.55 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 22:52.55 | noobmonk3y | night alls! |
| 22:52.56 | lcukn900 | pr12 isnt the final solution but it a damned fine sticking plaster |
| 22:53.04 | MohammadAG | Night noobmonk3y |
| 22:53.12 | asj | poor wazd |
| 22:53.16 | HtheB | nite noob |
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| 22:53.29 | HtheB | MohammadAG |
| 22:53.33 | MohammadAG | at least they didn't gline him |
| 22:53.36 | HtheB | did you try out Quran? :) |
| 22:53.43 | MohammadAG | the app? nope |
| 22:53.55 | MohammadAG | working on host mode atm :) |
| 22:54.00 | HtheB | never got it to work |
| 22:54.06 | HtheB | yeah I follow the thread |
| 22:54.19 | HtheB | awesome job =) |
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| 22:54.45 | timeless_mbp | ok, so, someone volunteered to test something for me,... |
| 22:54.46 | HtheB | i remember the guys telling that the N900 will never get the USB Host |
| 22:54.50 | timeless_mbp | i got the package built |
| 22:54.53 | HtheB | timeless_mbp, like? |
| 22:55.02 | timeless_mbp | a fix for portrait mode mail |
| 22:55.05 | HtheB | if it ain't easy, it's crap |
| 22:55.26 | HtheB | vitamin water |
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| 22:55.46 | HtheB | tell me what to do |
| 22:56.00 | HtheB | need to dl something? |
| 22:56.13 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, shoot |
| 22:56.35 | MohammadAG | HtheB, they said OTG was impossible, not host mode :) |
| 22:56.46 | MohammadAG | this doesn't follow standards |
| 22:56.49 | HtheB | owh xD |
| 22:57.03 | HtheB | damn... |
| 22:57.08 | HtheB | feels like he's a n00b |
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| 22:58.49 | HtheB | MohammadAG, what is on the go? |
| 22:58.53 | HtheB | read the wiki |
| 22:58.59 | HtheB | still didn't get it O_o |
| 22:59.19 | pwnguin | i think it's a way to negotiate A/B status |
| 22:59.29 | SpeedEvil | Basically |
| 22:59.30 | MohammadAG | HtheB, to make it short, did you see the N8 OTG vid? |
| 22:59.39 | HtheB | no |
| 22:59.41 | HtheB | let me see youtube |
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| 22:59.54 | HtheB | watching vid now |
| 23:00.10 | SpeedEvil | OTG is a complex standard that negotiates which is host and which is device. We can't do this. |
| 23:00.16 | MohammadAG | HtheB, when you do, the N8 switches to OTG mode when the cable is plugged in, with the N900 you need an app, that's a hw limit |
| 23:00.31 | MohammadAG | hugely simplified btw ^ |
| 23:00.32 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is broken - there are incompatible components in the way of getting OTG working. |
| 23:00.49 | lardman|home | does it negotiate or just use the cable pull ups/downs? |
| 23:00.52 | SpeedEvil | This breakage does not mean it can't be forced into host mode |
| 23:01.04 | ohwhyme | so theres no way to do it? |
| 23:01.12 | SpeedEvil | lardman|home: It's a horribly complex dance of wiggling vbus at prescribed speeds. And stuff. |
| 23:01.33 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: OTG is completely impossible - assuming the schematic is correct. |
| 23:01.45 | pwnguin | we need an app. do we have one yet? |
| 23:01.47 | HtheB | ok... just as I assumed |
| 23:01.49 | SpeedEvil | That is - OTG properly negotiating with other OTG devices in a compliant manner |
| 23:01.54 | HtheB | but what is usb host mode!? |
| 23:01.59 | HtheB | isn't that the same ? :p |
| 23:02.02 | SpeedEvil | USB host mode is what your desktop does |
| 23:02.11 | pwnguin | host mode == usb a device |
| 23:02.12 | SpeedEvil | It just acts like a host that you plug peripherals into |
| 23:02.17 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: ah, I never realised there was negotiation too, I thought it just came down to which cable to you plugged in |
| 23:02.24 | SpeedEvil | It can never act like a peripheral |
| 23:02.31 | HtheB | but if you plug a USB stick in it |
| 23:02.36 | HtheB | it should just mount it? |
| 23:02.41 | HtheB | like the OTG or not? |
| 23:02.41 | HtheB | O_o |
| 23:03.08 | HtheB | or is it only attaching other stuff like Printers, and joysticks etc? |
| 23:03.11 | SpeedEvil | HtheB: In short - you can force host mode on the n900 (eventually) that will let you plug mice and stuff into it and have it work. |
| 23:03.16 | mikki-kun | hm, could we use that way a webcam then over the micro-usb port of the n900 with host mode? |
| 23:03.21 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:03.35 | SpeedEvil | webcam, printer, keyboards, USB missile launchers. |
| 23:03.39 | HtheB | :D :D :D |
| 23:03.41 | MohammadAG | mugwarmers XP |
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| 23:03.53 | lcukn900 | other n900s for flashing? |
| 23:03.57 | ohwhyme | so usb sticks wont be working |
| 23:03.59 | SpeedEvil | Some things won't require extra power |
| 23:04.02 | ohwhyme | ? |
| 23:04.07 | MohammadAG | lcukn900, I asked someone to test that :) |
| 23:04.08 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: yes - that was not an exhaustive list. |
| 23:04.15 | MohammadAG | no one replied anyways :P |
| 23:04.17 | ohwhyme | ah thanks |
| 23:04.18 | mikki-kun | so otg is basically afaiu a more advanced usb host mode |
| 23:04.22 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: basically anything that does not require high power - most webcams |
| 23:04.25 | lcukn900 | so only limit is vbus atm? |
| 23:04.25 | SpeedEvil | or stuff |
| 23:04.42 | SpeedEvil | lcukn900: power is limited to 200mA - which is a bit under half the normal max |
| 23:04.47 | HtheB | awesome =) |
| 23:04.55 | lcukn900 | speedevil give docs a hearty beer from me |
| 23:05.02 | SpeedEvil | lcukn900: So most webcams, wifi cards, ... will require external power |
| 23:05.02 | lcukn900 | speedevil thats cool |
| 23:05.10 | lcukn900 | otg was 100 |
| 23:05.13 | Kegetys | n810 provided 300mA I think and most devices worked fine with it |
| 23:05.14 | SpeedEvil | Many memory sticks, most keyboards and mice, will work just fine |
| 23:05.15 | mikki-kun | hm, the 200mAh are limits set by the hardware i assume |
| 23:05.22 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:05.23 | SpeedEvil | mikk: yes |
| 23:05.38 | MohammadAG | hey at least DocScrutinizer pushed voltage to 5V |
| 23:05.38 | lcukn900 | keyboards are normally less than 100 but some were borderline |
| 23:05.38 | SpeedEvil | work just fine on internal power |
| 23:06.02 | HtheB | nice work guys! :) |
| 23:06.03 | lcukn900 | speedevil of important test: arduino boards. need to find their specs |
| 23:06.05 | Kegetys | http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg like this stick worked just fine ;) |
| 23:06.06 | MohammadAG | lcukn900, there was just a limit in the driver, but we (C) "Just comment(ed) it out" |
| 23:06.09 | brendans | though iirc it should be possible to attach a powered hub and have that work, right? |
| 23:06.11 | HtheB | seriously, great job to all of u |
| 23:06.16 | lcukn900 | lolol |
| 23:06.21 | HtheB | haha |
| 23:06.22 | MohammadAG | brendans, yes |
| 23:06.22 | HtheB | :D |
| 23:06.30 | HtheB | flight simulater? :p |
| 23:06.30 | SpeedEvil | lcukn900: I'd imagine those are fltd serial chips - which will work fine. |
| 23:06.39 | SpeedEvil | brendans: yes |
| 23:06.39 | Kegetys | stunt island on dosbox |
| 23:06.47 | MohammadAG | lol saw serial as israel |
| 23:06.51 | MohammadAG | same letters xD |
| 23:06.55 | HtheB | hell, why is dosbox still not 100% on N900 O_o |
| 23:07.05 | HtheB | MohammadAG =( |
| 23:07.06 | brendans | SpeedEvil, lcukn900: Yes, the arduino boards use an ft232 |
| 23:07.13 | SpeedEvil | brendans: With the cheapest sort of hubs - it should actually simply charge with just the included cable, and a F-F adaptor, and no other wierd cabling |
| 23:07.15 | MohammadAG | (no I'm not dyslexic :P) |
| 23:07.25 | lcukn900 | brend great |
| 23:07.43 | lcukn900 | i have to go. starry night here and flat battery |
| 23:07.51 | MohammadAG | Night lcukn900 |
| 23:07.54 | SpeedEvil | brendans: Charge, and you can use USB peripherals at the same time that is |
| 23:08.00 | lcukn900 | \o |
| 23:08.03 | MohammadAG | slaps lcukn900 with a binary |
| 23:08.09 | brendans | SpeedEvil: sorry, can you explain that again? do you mean the n900 doesn't need to be enumerated to enable the charging circuitry? |
| 23:08.16 | HtheB | nite |
| 23:08.20 | Dassu | Nighties |
| 23:08.25 | HtheB | he's gone already |
| 23:08.28 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: you put sexy in dyslexic. |
| 23:08.43 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 23:08.50 | mikki-kun | hm... i was up to building later on a snake-cam for the n900 (will be done in about a year or two... will take it easy and i need to get the knowledge, still a noob, but that'll pull me away from there) so we can utilize it to peek around corners or some other difficult places as maybe the car's engine-room... |
| 23:08.52 | brendans | SpeedEvil: I assumed it had to be a client and enumerated by the host machine before the charging would enable, but I don't know that I've ever tested it |
| 23:09.12 | SpeedEvil | brendans: That's completely irrelevant. |
| 23:09.20 | SpeedEvil | brendans: The charger chip is controlled by BME |
| 23:09.30 | pupnik | why dont we just add unix metadata to our vfat module? store it in a file |
| 23:09.33 | SpeedEvil | brendans: Which we probably need to reverse engineer - which is not hard |
| 23:09.49 | pupnik | then we could chown/chmod/ln on vfat |
| 23:09.49 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: There was back in the day a module to do that |
| 23:10.16 | pupnik | ah? maybe a nice project to revive |
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| 23:10.27 | brendans | SpeedEvil: So just to clarify, if one were to simply connect 5V across the microusb, would it charge without any data exchanged? |
| 23:10.27 | SpeedEvil | brendans: The charger chip is actually what's providing the 5V for the USB bus. |
| 23:10.35 | SpeedEvil | brendans: yes. |
| 23:10.41 | brendans | SpeedEvil: Ah, good to know |
| 23:10.43 | BCMM | i did wonder why no one had done metadata in a file |
| 23:10.43 | SpeedEvil | brendans: though it would assume it was a PC |
| 23:10.56 | SpeedEvil | and only charge at 100mA I think until it negotiates. |
| 23:10.57 | brendans | SpeedEvil: yeah, makes sense |
| 23:11.01 | BCMM | apart from how performance would be dreadful if it was too big to keep in memory |
| 23:11.31 | Kegetys | doesnt the charging require a resistor across the data pins? |
| 23:11.33 | BCMM | i have been told that you can replace negotiation with shorting d+ and d- |
| 23:11.42 | brendans | SpeedEvil: I've seen a lot of other boards that use the PWREN line on something like an FTDI chip to only receive power if the client is enumerated by a host PC |
| 23:12.00 | mikki-kun | hm, could we access with the n900's host mode a pc via usb? |
| 23:12.35 | mikki-kun | for accessing it's data e.g. |
| 23:12.36 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: What? |
| 23:12.41 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: No. |
| 23:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | brendans: if you short D+/- though, the charger chip ramps up to 500mA |
| 23:12.53 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: PCs do not (typically) support 'device' mode. |
| 23:12.53 | brendans | mikki-kun: If I'm not mistaken, that would require a PC with a client chipset on it (or an OTG chipset in client mode) |
| 23:13.23 | brendans | DocScrutinizer: so is that what the nokia charger does then? |
| 23:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:13.40 | mikki-kun | ok... was just curious as that came up in my mind |
| 23:13.44 | brendans | DocScrutinizer: good to know... |
| 23:13.47 | SpeedEvil | brendans: yes - nothing like that. The USB chip detects D+ and D- shorted - and the charger chip - if the system is off - will then autonomously charge the battery fairly slowly to 3.7V max |
| 23:13.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the charger shorts them? |
| 23:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | and the system (bme) tops that by setting it to 1050 |
| 23:14.01 | SpeedEvil | brendans: To charge it fully requires software - BME - to talk to it |
| 23:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes |
| 23:14.12 | brendans | SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info, I appreciate the intro - you've probably heard these questions before |
| 23:14.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:14.34 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 23:14.58 | SpeedEvil | (some outdated info) |
| 23:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | brendans: yw |
| 23:16.08 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 23:16.25 | HtheB | smiles |
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| 23:18.51 | jaska | prods the maemo.org 770 |
| 23:18.56 | Gh0sty | anyone here from around NY? |
| 23:19.26 | Gh0sty | cant find anywhere a store where they sell nokia stuff around here :( |
| 23:19.49 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, Did the Nokia "Flagship" store close? |
| 23:20.07 | Gh0sty | seems the nokia store which existed around 5th av and 57th is closed |
| 23:20.20 | mikki-kun | Ken-Young: afaik it removed everything it had for the new stuff coming soon |
| 23:20.20 | HtheB | nokia is losing it... =( |
| 23:20.22 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, That's the one I meant. |
| 23:20.49 | brendans | SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: Heading offline; thanks again for the info |
| 23:20.50 | Gh0sty | yes thats what i heard from a verizon guy which was located at 57th |
| 23:20.51 | brendans | cheers all |
| 23:20.58 | HtheB | o/ |
| 23:21.11 | Ken-Young | The NY Nokia store was a pretty sad contrast to the Aplle store which was just around the corner. |
| 23:21.14 | Gh0sty | any other nokia store in boston then? |
| 23:21.39 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, I've never seen a Nokia store in Boston. |
| 23:22.28 | Gh0sty | hm damn cant find a 2nd battery for my n900 anywhere |
| 23:22.41 | mikki-kun | Gh0sty: what about amazon? |
| 23:22.50 | HtheB | www.tinyurl.com/nokiaidea |
| 23:23.04 | Gh0sty | and also i dont seem to be able to work with 3G here :( |
| 23:23.05 | mikki-kun | will take maybe a day or two for shipping but you'd have one then |
| 23:23.27 | Gh0sty | only get 2.5G tops with at&t |
| 23:23.35 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, T-Mobile 3G doesn't work for you? |
| 23:23.41 | HtheB | same over here |
| 23:23.48 | HtheB | T-Mobile 3G doesn't work |
| 23:23.56 | HtheB | only 2G and 3,5G :/ |
| 23:24.02 | HtheB | if I have 3G, I don't have connection |
| 23:24.04 | Gh0sty | i got at&t cause thats the first shopl i passed by |
| 23:24.05 | opdf2 | where are u using tmobile usa? |
| 23:24.09 | Ken-Young | It works for me, in BOston (and my few NY trips). |
| 23:24.11 | HtheB | I do have connection, but it doesn't do anything at all |
| 23:24.26 | Gh0sty | i got at&t cause thats the first shopl i passed by |
| 23:24.27 | Ken-Young | I have no problems at all with T-Mobile. |
| 23:24.35 | HtheB | T-Mobile NL |
| 23:24.42 | opdf2 | oh |
| 23:24.45 | HtheB | they got some serious problems |
| 23:24.50 | HtheB | was even in the news lately |
| 23:24.52 | HtheB | damn it |
| 23:24.55 | HtheB | =( |
| 23:24.57 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, I think AT&T is known to be incompatible. |
| 23:25.09 | Gh0sty | great :( |
| 23:25.15 | Ken-Young | Sorry |
| 23:25.20 | Gh0sty | so i got screwed :( |
| 23:25.36 | asj | Gh0sty: you can do edge with att |
| 23:25.39 | Gh0sty | how do they make 3g incompatible ? |
| 23:25.46 | opdf2 | yes u need 1700/2100 for N900, which isnt AT&T |
| 23:25.59 | Gh0sty | yes 2.5G is what i get |
| 23:26.20 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, Did you sign an AT&T contract? |
| 23:26.36 | asj | Gh0sty: att is 850mhz and 1900mhz for 3g service, the n900 is 900/1700/2100 |
| 23:26.44 | Gh0sty | no prepaid pay as you go formula |
| 23:26.47 | opdf2 | Gh0sty: that is all u can get because the 3g radio bands are not compatible with AT&T 3G |
| 23:27.11 | asj | Gh0sty: you're just visiting the US? |
| 23:27.17 | Gh0sty | yes |
| 23:27.26 | Gh0sty | for 1 month |
| 23:27.31 | HtheB | then stick with 2,5 :P |
| 23:27.32 | asj | Gh0sty: do you need 3g? ie making voip calls? |
| 23:27.35 | Ken-Young | Gh0sty, So it shouldn't be too hard to switch to T-Mobile. In the US, it's your only choice if you want 3G on your N900. |
| 23:27.49 | asj | Ken-Young: t-mobile has no prepaid data plan |
| 23:27.53 | Gh0sty | now at the apple square using wifi |
| 23:28.05 | opdf2 | Ken-Young: what kinda speeds & latency are u getting in Boston |
| 23:28.35 | asj | Gh0sty: att 3g sucks anyways, all the ipods in NYC suck is dry, edge might be faster anyways ;) |
| 23:28.49 | Ken-Young | opdf2, I haven't benchmarked it. If you have a favorite benchmark site, I'll get you the numbers. |
| 23:28.51 | thunderfest | asj: t-mobile does have prepaid data plans |
| 23:29.06 | PolarFox | Oh.. AT&T is cutting unlimited data plans.. I hope it wont be global trend.. :) |
| 23:29.08 | asj | thunderfest: didn't last year, unless you had a sidekick plan which they cut off |
| 23:29.23 | asj | (unless you had a sidekick) |
| 23:29.28 | opdf2 | Gh0sty: you can use the prepaid Sidekick data plan. It is $1 per day.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887 |
| 23:29.53 | thunderfest | well they did last week I just signed up with my n900 |
| 23:29.57 | HtheB | Guys, I think I know this has been talked somewhere |
| 23:30.11 | HtheB | does anyone else having some troubles with music and |
| 23:30.21 | asj | thunderfest: ah ok, they change their minds more often than my wife ;) |
| 23:30.21 | HtheB | pressing the power button!? |
| 23:30.42 | HtheB | (this is causing some "silence") |
| 23:30.47 | HtheB | happened after PR1.2 |
| 23:30.52 | opdf2 | Ken-Young: http://www.speedtest.net/ |
| 23:31.01 | asj | HtheB: you mean a minor break in playback, say 0.5s? |
| 23:31.06 | HtheB | yup |
| 23:31.13 | HtheB | kinda annoying though |
| 23:31.26 | HtheB | and when it turns from landscape into portrait |
| 23:31.27 | asj | HtheB: it beats the woodpecker effect before, it's just scheduling issues |
| 23:31.28 | HtheB | and vice-versa |
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| 23:31.44 | HtheB | is there a manual fix for this |
| 23:32.04 | opdf2 | PolarFox: I don't think anyone is unlimited because of bandwidth caps. The only unlimited is T-Mobile USA, which downgrades u to EDGE when u pass 10 GB |
| 23:32.43 | MohammadAG | renice it |
| 23:32.59 | HtheB | renice? |
| 23:33.32 | HtheB | didn't get that one ... |
| 23:33.34 | asj | HtheB: renice is a command line priority control |
| 23:33.52 | HtheB | i should google that one |
| 23:33.57 | mikki-kun | regarding usb host mode... we can assume it will be available in around a week or two, right? |
| 23:34.17 | thunderfest | anyone know where I can download the latest vmware sdk image? following all the links just leads me to a page with the flasher tool downloads |
| 23:34.42 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: you can assume it'll be ready in 23 seconds. |
| 23:34.54 | asj | HtheB: if you get phone calls you might want to avoid messing with it to much, the biggest problem I had prior to 1.2 was answering calls since the system was too busy playing music or whatever |
| 23:34.55 | Ken-Young | opdf2, download 0.85 Mb/s upload 0.64 Mb/s ping 140 msec. |
| 23:35.00 | mikki-kun | *counting downwards* |
| 23:35.01 | PolarFox | opdf2: I know that'll hit finland soon too.. we just buy bandwidth for now, and some operators even offer full speed without limits... for a bit of monetary compensation of course.. |
| 23:35.34 | HtheB | hmm |
| 23:35.43 | SpeedEvil | is happy with 1G/mo for 3.33/mo. |
| 23:35.44 | HtheB | but whats the problem by pressing the power button |
| 23:35.50 | PolarFox | I don't mind that much about caps.. I'm mostly on WLAN anyways .. |
| 23:35.51 | HtheB | O_o |
| 23:35.58 | asj | HtheB: but locking by pressing the power button here in general does not cause a "skip" |
| 23:36.00 | smoku | does anyone know how do I show a message to the user from package installation script? |
| 23:36.09 | opdf2 | Ken-Young: I'm in chicago, around 1 Mbit down, max 0.35 up, latency 200-300ms |
| 23:36.09 | HtheB | it does over here :( |
| 23:36.13 | HtheB | a big fail :( |
| 23:36.15 | PolarFox | HtheB: CPU usage prob.. |
| 23:36.28 | HtheB | hmm |
| 23:36.50 | asj | HtheB: what PolarFox said, I'm playing 256kbit/mp3 |
| 23:37.24 | thunderfest | anyone know how to get scratchbox working on ubuntu 10.04? |
| 23:37.25 | opdf2 | It'll be soo much better once T-Mobile usa finishing HSPA+ backbone |
| 23:37.27 | PolarFox | showing the menu or activating unlock screen takes CPU also.. |
| 23:37.32 | asj | HtheB: run top and look for a runaway process, or mabe it's the audio format? |
| 23:37.32 | Ken-Young | opdf2, In any event it's better than my lousy Verizon DSL. |
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| 23:38.19 | HtheB | asj, it's doing it even with Tracker modules |
| 23:38.29 | midas_ | opdf2: you're probably in .nl? :) |
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| 23:38.36 | midas_ | oh wait |
| 23:38.39 | midas_ | nevermind |
| 23:38.42 | asj | HtheB: huh? |
| 23:38.48 | Termana | good morning |
| 23:38.59 | midas_ | (t-mobile netherlands has a little problem with hsdpa here :P) |
| 23:39.00 | HtheB | .mod and .xm files |
| 23:39.05 | HtheB | u know, tracker modules :P? |
| 23:39.05 | asj | morning Termana |
| 23:39.08 | HtheB | chiptunes |
| 23:39.17 | opdf2 | midas_: so does usa unless you're in philadelphia |
| 23:39.26 | HtheB | anyway... let me try out some other play |
| 23:39.41 | asj | HtheB: midis? |
| 23:39.48 | HtheB | and see if pressing power will cause problems |
| 23:39.53 | midas_ | here they are blaming apple for using bandwidth :p |
| 23:39.54 | HtheB | some midi look a like files |
| 23:39.57 | PolarFox | someone still uses tracker files? :) |
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| 23:40.01 | HtheB | but also on mp3's |
| 23:40.09 | HtheB | PolarFox, I do! :) |
| 23:40.11 | HtheB | <3 |
| 23:40.20 | asj | lol, people actually listen to midis? |
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| 23:40.26 | jacekowski | sort of |
| 23:40.31 | jacekowski | asj: midi is still used |
| 23:40.37 | asj | a game show I listen to has a whole section "mangled by midi" |
| 23:40.39 | jacekowski | asj: all music instruments talk over midi |
| 23:40.42 | HtheB | asj, midi is not mod! |
| 23:40.51 | asj | jacekowski: yes yes, but I mean synthened midi through a computer |
| 23:41.00 | HtheB | no |
| 23:41.04 | jacekowski | well, mod is a midi + sound font in one package |
| 23:41.12 | HtheB | .mod or .xm is pre installed instruments/samples |
| 23:41.36 | HtheB | grrr |
| 23:41.37 | asj | ok, at least you have the right sound font...but |
| 23:41.38 | jacekowski | asj: well, commercial synthesisers are just a PCs now |
| 23:41.43 | HtheB | it does make an error with ALL sound apps :( |
| 23:41.45 | jacekowski | cheaper ones |
| 23:41.58 | PolarFox | HtheB: I remember when I changed my 8bit soundblaster to a Gravis Ultrasound... :D |
| 23:42.11 | asj | jacekowski: mmm, same with mixers, but the mixer still works better than the pc ;) |
| 23:42.35 | HtheB | haha :D |
| 23:42.43 | jacekowski | we live in digital world |
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| 23:42.51 | jacekowski | analogue is past unfortunatelly |
| 23:44.36 | HtheB | PolarFox, |
| 23:44.38 | HtheB | asj |
| 23:45.05 | HtheB | so basically, pressing power EATS a lot of CPU :/ |
| 23:45.08 | asj | jacekowski: tell that to the guys buying $1500 tube, err sorry valve amps |
| 23:45.11 | HtheB | pressing 1 time power |
| 23:45.14 | HtheB | while the music is playing |
| 23:45.24 | HtheB | make 1-2 secs of silence |
| 23:46.13 | PolarFox | HtheB: is screen on? |
| 23:46.26 | HtheB | both |
| 23:46.30 | jacekowski | asj: i'm still using 30 years old amplifier |
| 23:46.33 | HtheB | while it's off and on |
| 23:47.02 | jacekowski | asj: rated output power 2x25 + 2x15W |
| 23:47.03 | HtheB | though, pressing the power once while screen is off, will turn my screen on |
| 23:47.08 | HtheB | since :p |
| 23:47.14 | jacekowski | asj: supply transformer rated power is around 200W |
| 23:47.22 | HtheB | -since |
| 23:47.25 | PolarFox | Well.. systemui process takes 10% of CPU when I press power button.. |
| 23:47.41 | jacekowski | asj: total weight over 10kg |
| 23:47.54 | HtheB | but just when the screen is on, pressing the POWER button will still kill the sound for 2-3 secs :S |
| 23:47.59 | PolarFox | But I have overclocked N900.. |
| 23:47.59 | HtheB | wanna see a video? |
| 23:48.00 | asj | jacekowski: but does it have the cool tube glow? ;) |
| 23:48.05 | HtheB | PolarFox, same over here |
| 23:48.07 | HtheB | 900 mhz |
| 23:48.08 | jacekowski | asj: http://www.radmory.za.pl/5102.gif |
| 23:48.12 | asj | realizes 30 years is only 1980 :( |
| 23:48.22 | PolarFox | HtheB: You see the menu after those 2-3 seconds? |
| 23:48.26 | jacekowski | something like that |
| 23:48.27 | HtheB | yes |
| 23:48.36 | jacekowski | very nice modular design |
| 23:48.42 | HtheB | I see the menu, and 1 sec later, the music goes on again |
| 23:48.45 | asj | jacekowski: :) |
| 23:48.49 | HtheB | so there will be a delay of 2-3 secs |
| 23:48.53 | PolarFox | I get the menu instantly ... and the music doesn't pause.. |
| 23:49.02 | HtheB | :/ |
| 23:49.03 | jacekowski | i mean, that's how reliable and easy to fix hardware should be designed |
| 23:49.14 | PolarFox | HtheB: have you tried running conky to see what's going on when you press the power button? |
| 23:49.21 | HtheB | I will now |
| 23:49.23 | HtheB | gimme a sec |
| 23:49.28 | jacekowski | each power stage at separate PCB |
| 23:49.33 | pupnik | instead of overclocking, i want to disable javascript, with a fast key/button to temporarvily activate it |
| 23:49.48 | jacekowski | each part of radio reciever on separate PCB |
| 23:50.12 | asj | HtheB: how many "tweaking" and fancy apps do you have installed to change phone behavior? |
| 23:50.33 | pigeon | does anyone know where i can find a list or an rss feed for what packages are updated in the repo? |
| 23:50.45 | HtheB | uhm... |
| 23:50.54 | jacekowski | asj: http://futureishere.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/radmor-5102-te/ - take a look at photos |
| 23:50.56 | asj | HtheB: or anything from extras-devel ;) |
| 23:50.57 | PolarFox | pigeon: I use AppWatch for that.. |
| 23:50.59 | HtheB | root fs is still 70MB free |
| 23:51.17 | PolarFox | HtheB: Normal situation with PR1.2 ;) |
| 23:51.22 | HtheB | indeed |
| 23:51.26 | asj | jacekowski: lol, damn :) |
| 23:51.43 | HtheB | got a lot of apps to be honest |
| 23:51.44 | asj | jacekowski: hand drawn pcbs too |
| 23:51.50 | pigeon | PolarFox: yeah i have that too, but wondering if i could get that info on my desktop machine |
| 23:52.02 | HtheB | but none of them gave me any troubles on 1.1.1 |
| 23:52.11 | SpeedEvil | connectors are bad for reliability |
| 23:52.23 | asj | SpeedEvil: and expensive |
| 23:52.23 | HtheB | PolarFox: DO'H! |
| 23:52.24 | PolarFox | pigeon: repository is just a web server with files.. |
| 23:52.28 | jacekowski | asj: any problems and you had full set of spare parts to to test |
| 23:52.34 | SpeedEvil | asj: also large, and ... |
| 23:52.35 | HtheB | I can't see whats going on |
| 23:52.37 | HtheB | on Cnky |
| 23:52.41 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it never had problems with reliability because of connectors |
| 23:52.44 | HtheB | if I press the power button ... |
| 23:52.47 | pigeon | PolarFox: true... |
| 23:52.58 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Miniature ones more so of course |
| 23:53.02 | PolarFox | HtheB: close the menu as soon as you can.. conky updates stuff a little late ;) |
| 23:53.22 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: whole thing is 50cm wide |
| 23:53.24 | asj | HtheB: well...things change and one of them could be behaving badly, no one here sees it so... ;) |
| 23:53.34 | HtheB | PolarFox, where should I look at ? :) |
| 23:53.37 | HtheB | (which diagram) |
| 23:53.56 | pigeon | i *think* i upgraded the msn butterfly plugin, now it can't send messages at all it seems. |
| 23:54.03 | PolarFox | HtheB: at least at the programs in the bottom.. if something is showing up as a CPU hog |
| 23:54.16 | jacekowski | and only thing that had issues were these touch sensors on front |
| 23:54.19 | HtheB | weird |
| 23:54.37 | HtheB | if I quickly "close" the menu that jumps when u press the power button |
| 23:54.43 | HtheB | the music quickly resumes |
| 23:54.45 | jacekowski | that had to be kept clean otherwise you would end up with random things happening |
| 23:54.54 | HtheB | if I dont close the menu, there is a pause of 2 secs |
| 23:55.00 | HtheB | so.. the menu causes the pause :/ |
| 23:55.17 | HtheB | it's not pausing btw... it's silencing the music |
| 23:55.43 | midas_ | so dont press the power button? :) |
| 23:55.57 | HtheB | if it 's in my pocket |
| 23:56.01 | HtheB | its SOOOOO annoying :( |
| 23:56.13 | jacekowski | well, i never had that problem |
| 23:56.16 | pigeon | everything i send, i get "Message sending failed"... |
| 23:56.16 | midas_ | never happoned to me :) |
| 23:56.20 | jacekowski | have you tried it on clean system |
| 23:56.30 | HtheB | hmm |
| 23:56.36 | HtheB | do I have to clean the shit now again? :p |
| 23:56.36 | midas_ | anyway, off to bed :) |
| 23:56.39 | midas_ | nn all :) |
| 23:56.41 | HtheB | nite |
| 23:57.00 | HtheB | maybe because I use the enhanced kernel? |
| 23:57.16 | asj | HtheB: 'enhanced' how exactly? |
| 23:57.34 | PolarFox | I don't think so.. I've installed that one in the repository... |
| 23:57.43 | jacekowski | overclock probably |
| 23:57.44 | HtheB | hmm |
| 23:57.54 | PolarFox | HtheB: You have shortcutd or something like that running? |
| 23:58.01 | HtheB | no |
| 23:58.03 | HtheB | not at all |
| 23:58.04 | PolarFox | or maybe it's just the 900Mhz settings.. :) |
| 23:58.05 | HtheB | w8 ill just show u |
| 23:58.11 | asj | shudders at the toughts at what people are doing to their phones ;) |
| 23:58.19 | asj | then complaining they are broken |
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| 23:59.07 | PolarFox | asj: I don't complain... I'm fully aware that I'm hazardous to technology. |
| 23:59.18 | asj | PolarFox: not you |
| 23:59.33 | PolarFox | asj: I use up more cars in 5 years than most people use in their lifetimes ;) |
| 23:59.50 | asj | PolarFox: what do you do to them? |
| 23:59.59 | PolarFox | asj: I drive.. |
