| 00:00.01 | wazd | GAN900: "Providing both resistive and capacitive options for their customers is precluded neither by cost, technology, nor software requirements." Are you sure bout that? :) |
| 00:00.02 | bennypr0fane_ | right. so i better get it to a service station, huh? |
| 00:00.08 | GeneralAntilles | is feeding trolls on Talk. |
| 00:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, i.e., shipping two devices. |
| 00:00.18 | johnx | brendans, yeah. for some reason I was under the impression that they retroactively re-rated the chips, but I couldn't tell you why I think that :) |
| 00:00.30 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, or just reflash with a different computer |
| 00:00.42 | SpeedEvil | johnx: do you feel it in your DNA? |
| 00:00.49 | tybollt | is trying out meego but the installer says the 10GB partition I made for it is insufficient... hrrm :S |
| 00:00.52 | SpeedEvil | (rearrange the letters to make a popular contract) |
| 00:00.54 | bennypr0fane_ | johnx regardless of the os? |
| 00:00.55 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: they should order two types of touchscreens and two assembly lines for that |
| 00:01.00 | GeneralAntilles | So, open source projects Nokia pushes: BlueZ, Mozilla, GTK, Qt, kernel, ConMan, oFono, Telepathy, GStreamer, ⦠? |
| 00:01.00 | johnx | SpeedEvil, my sysadmin sense is tingling |
| 00:01.03 | brendans | johnx: could be, I don't have any special info on it |
| 00:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, they already make both types of devices. |
| 00:01.11 | johnx | brendans, me neither :) |
| 00:01.14 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: and 2 types of software too |
| 00:01.19 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, yes |
| 00:01.19 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: kernel |
| 00:01.31 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: but not two types of one device |
| 00:01.38 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: that's different |
| 00:01.47 | brendans | johnx: either way, it doesn't really make a ton of difference, there's a safe operating range, and it just produces more heat and uses more power at 720 MHz, I suspect |
| 00:01.49 | luke-jr | Macer: 1 GHz, it'll probably fry in a few monhts |
| 00:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, yeah, but it means they wont be jettisoning large swaths of their market. |
| 00:02.36 | Macer | luke-jr: maybe |
| 00:02.36 | Macer | i will see |
| 00:02.36 | SpeedEvil | The n900 back should just slide off |
| 00:02.36 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: the main reason IMO is marketing. Capacitive = cool now |
| 00:02.36 | bennypr0fane_ | huh, so i guess i sort of lucked out... |
| 00:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, if MeeGo is really going to be the flagship platform, then they can certainly afford to ship at least two devices. |
| 00:02.36 | SpeedEvil | and leave you with a slim phone |
| 00:02.36 | Macer | i can buy a new one ;) |
| 00:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I agree 100%. |
| 00:02.36 | shinkamui | macer: second that |
| 00:02.36 | shinkamui | runs at 250-900mhz |
| 00:02.37 | bennypr0fane_ | thanks for your help johnx, MohammadAG and everyone |
| 00:02.40 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: and you won't prove anything to engadget or something |
| 00:02.47 | SpeedEvil | Barring unexpected riches - I'm keeping my n900 for some years. |
| 00:02.47 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, good luck |
| 00:02.50 | tybollt | wazd: ,capacitive,pinch zoom, |
| 00:03.00 | bennypr0fane_ | and good night ;-) |
| 00:03.00 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: brainwashing has done it's job very well |
| 00:03.01 | brendans | wazd: I think it's easier (possible?) to do multitouch with capacitive, isn't it? |
| 00:03.14 | wazd | brendans: today it's equal |
| 00:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I have a couple of righteous emails from Ziegler in my inbox to prove that. ;) |
| 00:03.21 | brendans | wazd: k |
| 00:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | No more open source projects? |
| 00:03.45 | wazd | brendans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc |
| 00:04.11 | brendans | wazd: nice |
| 00:04.35 | wazd | brendans: now the only advantage of cap. ts is durability |
| 00:04.55 | brendans | because it works under glass/ceramic, I suppose |
| 00:05.01 | brendans | hmmm |
| 00:05.11 | wazd | brendans: you can't make glass resistive ts for example |
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| 00:05.21 | luke-jr | glass can crack.. |
| 00:05.24 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, hehe. |
| 00:05.31 | brendans | wazd: makes sense |
| 00:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, you don't know how many cracked-screen iPhones I've seen. |
| 00:05.36 | wazd | luke-jr: see gorilla glass demo :D |
| 00:05.49 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/dell-streaks-gorilla-glass-screen-torture-tested-for-your-amus/ |
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| 00:06.13 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, haven't seen any at work, but maybe people just take care of them |
| 00:06.35 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, you can crack resistive ts with ease too :) |
| 00:06.46 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, true enough. |
| 00:06.56 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: but glass ts is still more scratch proof and stuff |
| 00:07.22 | luke-jr | wazd: screen protector |
| 00:07.30 | SpeedEvil | I want SAW with diamond glass coated face. |
| 00:07.42 | luke-jr | my C760 still has its original screen protector |
| 00:07.46 | wazd | luke-jr: well, you can use steel plate to cover it if you like :) |
| 00:07.50 | luke-jr | honestly, though, that's because I can't figure out hwo to remove it :) |
| 00:07.58 | lcuk | not diamond afaik, it was ruby or something wasnt it SpeedEvil - they shot crossbow at it |
| 00:08.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.thomasnet.com/products/windows-barcode-scanner-71275358-1.html |
| 00:08.14 | brendans | wazd: that made me think of the phrase, "But does it blend?" |
| 00:08.59 | luke-jr | are we talking about diamond-covered ts now? |
| 00:09.01 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 00:09.21 | brendans | lcuk: corundum (ruby) is pretty hard... also much easier/cheaper to make than synthetic diamond; could very well be |
| 00:09.23 | luke-jr | I suppose paired with diamond case, that would be pretty durable |
| 00:09.34 | luke-jr | is synthetic diamond expensive? |
| 00:09.42 | wazd | ceramic would be more than enough |
| 00:09.50 | wazd | with sapphiere glass |
| 00:09.52 | luke-jr | brendans: can ruby be non-red? :p |
| 00:09.54 | brendans | http://www.blendtec.com/willitblend/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=ipad |
| 00:09.58 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes |
| 00:10.01 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Well - no |
| 00:10.04 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 00:10.14 | lcuk | shotting monitor with crossbow -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAdku9YhSCI&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:10.16 | wazd | both materials almost impossible to scratch |
| 00:10.18 | lcuk | shooting too |
| 00:10.21 | brendans | ruby and sapphire are both the same mineral, just different chemical inclusions |
| 00:10.24 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: But the fundamental materlial is identical for sapphire - blue, corundum - clear - and ruby - red |
| 00:10.34 | luke-jr | i c |
| 00:10.50 | luke-jr | how do all these things react to fingerprints? |
| 00:11.04 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: They burn off the prints from fingers that touch them. |
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| 00:11.20 | lcuk | they have nano ridges that silently chop off the fingertips |
| 00:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | would to see Nokia above Google in the LF membership page. |
| 00:12.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.faceters.com/rough/synthetics/corundum/ceylon_blue.shtml |
| 00:12.51 | wazd | http://acejewelers.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/rado_152_0347_3_022_lores.jpg <- ceramic case, sapphiere glass, droolworthy :) |
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| 00:13.06 | SpeedEvil | I have some sapphire boule. |
| 00:13.16 | brendans | for those interested, minor geology digression: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness |
| 00:15.10 | wazd | damn, someday I'll buy rado... |
| 00:15.21 | wazd | ... or steal :) |
| 00:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | Damn |
| 00:18.03 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone 4G may be 960 x 640 IPS |
| 00:18.57 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: overkill :) |
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| 00:19.52 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: still, that toshiba g800 had higher dpi I think |
| 00:20.12 | wazd | g900* |
| 00:21.10 | brendans | I think the high dpi will end up being more useful a few years from now if this 3D fad brings autostereoscopic displays |
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| 00:21.19 | wazd | no, iPhone's is slightly higher :) |
| 00:21.32 | wazd | 329 vs 313 |
| 00:21.40 | brendans | the cheapest / easiest ways to do that involve halving the horizontal resolution for each eye... |
| 00:22.15 | SpeedEvil | Many people cannot see autostereograms. |
| 00:22.18 | SpeedEvil | Me, for example. |
| 00:23.07 | brendans | SpeedEvil: Yeah, I'm not really all that sure I like the trend even if that wasn't an issue, but it's unlikely that everything is going to move that way |
| 00:23.29 | wazd | anyway, Quisda pwns all with insane 1280x600 4" 353 DPI screen |
| 00:23.38 | wazd | japaneese are crazy |
| 00:24.01 | tybollt | Ok guys lets petition |
| 00:24.27 | tybollt | Ok guys lets petition to have nokia install a "Meeeegooooo" start screen like SEGA had on the megadrives some years ago =) |
| 00:24.37 | wazd | The 1280 x 1024 pixels display of QCM-330 measures 4 inches. The phone also features HSDPA, Wi-Fi, accelerometer and a 3MP camera. The handset has a home key which suggests that it might run Android â but we canât confirm this yet. |
| 00:24.45 | wazd | 409 DPI |
| 00:24.51 | wazd | O_o |
| 00:24.53 | SpeedEvil | wazd: ... |
| 00:25.01 | SpeedEvil | That's taking the fucking piss. |
| 00:25.14 | SpeedEvil | I want a 1280*1024 12" display |
| 00:25.23 | SpeedEvil | as it'd be a boost on my current DU |
| 00:25.47 | SpeedEvil | DPI |
| 00:25.47 | brendans | my old laptop had a 1400x1050 12" display (wacom based tablet PC too) |
| 00:25.48 | wazd | SpeedEvil: in japan they have quad full HD in their 9" netbooks :D |
| 00:25.57 | luke-jr | netbooks are stupid |
| 00:26.13 | SpeedEvil | I want a decent small laptop |
| 00:26.33 | brendans | SpeedEvil: terrible contrast though, particularly with a big chunk of plastic in front for the pen to work on |
| 00:26.39 | SpeedEvil | I currently have an x60s - thinkpad 12" - and other than the 1024*768 screen, it's damn near perfect |
| 00:26.40 | lcuk | wazd at that dpi on a 12inch monitor it would be awesome |
| 00:26.52 | lcuk | but i doubt graphics cards can drive them properly still |
| 00:27.02 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I doubt it |
| 00:27.06 | lcuk | not normal level ones |
| 00:27.12 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: You really can't see much beyond maybe 200dpi |
| 00:27.30 | SpeedEvil | Or at least - the returns are very sharply dropping off - at 'normal' viewing distances |
| 00:27.30 | lcuk | sure, but the 96 or whatever on most large format displays |
| 00:27.31 | luke-jr | heh |
| 00:27.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah - 96 is silly |
| 00:27.43 | luke-jr | 96? |
| 00:27.47 | luke-jr | I'm pretty sure mine is like 110 |
| 00:27.48 | lcuk | its ok if its distance from you |
| 00:27.53 | lcuk | but for a 12" slate or something |
| 00:28.09 | lcuk | likes to lie on bed and draw stuff |
| 00:28.15 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah |
| 00:28.25 | wazd | they have 4" phone with higher resolution than 9" iPad |
| 00:28.29 | wazd | I need a drink |
| 00:28.35 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 00:28.40 | luke-jr | X says it's 96x96 DPI |
| 00:28.48 | brendans | lcuk: yeah, I used mine for notetaking a lot too... |
| 00:28.48 | luke-jr | so either I recall wrong, or my X is misconfigured :( |
| 00:28.51 | SpeedEvil | blends an ipad, and adds coke. |
| 00:28.59 | lcuk | if you lie to x standard apps fail |
| 00:29.02 | SpeedEvil | passes wazd his drink. |
| 00:29.07 | lcuk | no luke-jr you arent recalling wrong |
| 00:29.29 | brendans | X always says it's 96x96 though; strange things happen if you correct it |
| 00:29.34 | SpeedEvil | err - no |
| 00:29.36 | lcuk | its just people designing for number of dots rather than dpi |
| 00:29.51 | SpeedEvil | screen #0: |
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| 00:30.01 | brendans | huh |
| 00:30.03 | brendans | I stand corrected |
| 00:30.05 | luke-jr | mine used to report right |
| 00:30.08 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, at n900 scale the differences become apparantly |
| 00:30.13 | lcuk | -lt |
| 00:30.14 | lcuk | -ly |
| 00:30.15 | pigeon | does mymenu work with 1.2? |
| 00:30.16 | SpeedEvil | If you paypal me $2, I will even get out of bed, and measure it to see if that's right |
| 00:30.17 | lcuk | gives up |
| 00:30.20 | luke-jr | I think I have 21" widescreen monitor |
| 00:30.38 | luke-jr | 1680x1050 |
| 00:30.42 | luke-jr | anyone care to do the math? |
| 00:30.45 | lcuk | are widescreen monitors cheaper for the companies to make |
| 00:30.49 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I'm unsure I can tell the diffference between 800*480 and 640*400 though. |
| 00:30.52 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: On text |
| 00:30.57 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, sure |
| 00:30.58 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: reportedly, yes. |
| 00:30.59 | wazd | luke-jr: http://theile.net/~sven/dpi.html |
| 00:31.07 | lcuk | but between 96 and 215 or 235 |
| 00:31.15 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: the price is set by the minimum dimension of the screen |
| 00:31.26 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: the price of the fabrication line that is |
| 00:31.31 | luke-jr | lcuk: widescreen is easier for humans IMO |
| 00:31.36 | luke-jr | once you get to a certain height |
| 00:31.43 | SpeedEvil | I want 4:3 |
| 00:31.43 | luke-jr | easier to look left/right than up/down |
| 00:31.52 | SpeedEvil | I have a 20" 4:3 monitor. |
| 00:31.56 | SpeedEvil | It is not tall enough |
| 00:32.02 | lcuk | yeah but a lot of the widescreens have < pixels than average was heading |
| 00:32.19 | wazd | luke-jr: yeah, I tried to use my 21.5" LCD in portrait mode |
| 00:32.21 | lcuk | lol luke-jr i have a stack of screens |
| 00:32.24 | wazd | luke-jr: that's weird :D |
| 00:32.29 | SpeedEvil | To get to the equivalent of - say - a 24" 4:3 monitor - you need a _stupidly_ wide display |
| 00:32.37 | lcuk | big monitor sat ontop of laptop screen |
| 00:32.38 | SpeedEvil | Also - widescreen fails in portrait mode. |
| 00:32.52 | wazd | SpeedEvil: not quite |
| 00:32.56 | lcuk | it doesnt fail |
| 00:33.00 | luke-jr | hm, my ruler says it's 20" diagonal |
| 00:33.04 | lcuk | depending on task it works well |
| 00:33.08 | luke-jr | so 99 DPI |
| 00:33.11 | SpeedEvil | I actually want something like a 28" 1:1 monitor |
| 00:33.11 | wazd | SpeedEvil: PDF reading / layout creating is cool |
| 00:33.16 | brendans | it's particularly bad when you're working with software that's designed for old workstations (often 1600x1200) |
| 00:33.46 | SpeedEvil | So I can watch a widescreen movie in the bottom, full width, and have some usable display area left |
| 00:33.52 | brendans | big, multi-level vertical menus, etc. |
| 00:33.53 | lcuk | jeees 1600*1200 was the bizniz before all these wide jobbies hit |
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| 00:34.27 | lcuk | we havent actually increased max res a whole lot in last few years have we |
| 00:34.36 | lcuk | its like cpus getting slower now |
| 00:34.38 | SpeedEvil | And DPI not at all |
| 00:34.52 | brendans | lcuk: yeah, you can still get decent ones last I checked; I've got a Dell 20" IPS in my office that runs 1600x1200 |
| 00:34.57 | brendans | 2007FP or something like that |
| 00:35.13 | SpeedEvil | brendans: >20" in 4:3 is basically unavailable though |
| 00:35.18 | SpeedEvil | Which is annoying |
| 00:35.23 | lcuk | well my 23" is 1920*1080 |
| 00:35.28 | SpeedEvil | and the remaining lines are dying. |
| 00:35.33 | lcuk | but i would still prefer 16*12 |
| 00:35.45 | brendans | SpeedEvil: yeah, it's tough at >20", and they aren't cheap |
| 00:36.12 | lcuk | !! ahhh that would explain the widescreen fetish |
| 00:36.19 | lcuk | merging the assembly lines with regular tvs |
| 00:36.20 | brendans | even the 20" ones aren't cheap (though they usually are decent panels at least) |
| 00:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, at a glance I probably can't. |
| 00:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, but I can when I'm reading for a couple of hours. |
| 00:37.03 | arachnist | i have a 22" S-PVA 1920x1200 at home |
| 00:37.24 | arachnist | quite a nice screen, but it was quite expensive |
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| 00:37.47 | brendans | http://www.xkcd.com/732/ |
| 00:37.57 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: At some point you just can't tell when AA is on or off |
| 00:38.06 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: that's probably where the limit kicks in |
| 00:38.06 | arachnist | brendans: yes, we know. |
| 00:38.11 | wazd | arachnist: now you can tell me where you live and when you're not at home :P |
| 00:38.30 | brendans | arachnist: lol, fair enough |
| 00:38.42 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, and that's a good place to be. |
| 00:38.45 | arachnist | brendans: and i'd also like to have a >200ppi >22" screen |
| 00:38.53 | lcuk | you would have to find a mechanism to deliver 3gazzilion pixels per frame |
| 00:39.06 | arachnist | wazd: not home... right now |
| 00:39.22 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Sure - But going higher than that doesn't buy you much |
| 00:41.21 | brendans | part of me wonders if this move towards auxiliary displays is going to slow things down again (e.g. pico projectors, etc.) since it's going to mean graphics hardware tied up in other tasks |
| 00:41.35 | brendans | assuming it's not a clone, of course |
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| 00:46.47 | sobczyk | hi, how to get korean virtual keyboard, and more options to switch language? |
| 00:46.59 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 00:47.03 | luke-jr | Korean is cool |
| 00:47.46 | sobczyk | there are only 2 options for language switching is there a way to add more? |
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| 00:49.14 | sobczyk | talk.maemo.org does not work for me :( |
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| 00:51.19 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:51.33 | microlith | only asian language really supported at the moment is chinese |
| 00:52.20 | sobczyk | microlith: is there an input method for chinese? |
| 00:52.49 | microlith | sobczyk: iirc, there's a free one in the repositories and there's one only available on HK edition N900s |
| 00:53.33 | luke-jr | johnx: [19:50:04] <JayFoxRox> luke-jr: with the game controls being a keyboard / mouse on kernel level and not a joystick like you'd expect, this is anything but a gaming device - also with rubbish shoulder buttons and rather bad nubs[19:50:04] <JayFoxRox> luke-jr: with the game controls being a keyboard / mouse on kernel level and not a joystick like you'd expect, this is anything but a gaming device - also with rubbish shoulder |
| 00:53.35 | luke-jr | buttons and rather bad nubs |
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| 00:54.05 | unohu62 | greetings all |
| 00:54.29 | johnx | luke-jr, ok |
| 00:55.37 | johnx | later all |
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| 01:04.09 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone had problems installing gnuplot? |
| 01:04.22 | SpeedEvil | Adding `diversion of /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnuplot to /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnuplot-nox by gnuplot-x11' |
| 01:04.22 | SpeedEvil | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnuplot-nox' with |
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| 01:12.48 | pigeon | doh, i wish there's a way to undo a merge contact |
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| 01:26.18 | unohu62 | hello everyone |
| 01:30.26 | pigeon | grrs at no new ovi store... :( |
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| 01:31.22 | cehteh | pigeon: restore contacts from backup :P |
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| 01:31.44 | unohu62 | greetings |
| 01:32.01 | pigeon | cehteh: too late ;) |
| 01:33.11 | pigeon | i also wish it would ask me to choose which avatar to use for a contact merge |
| 01:33.58 | Chiku | what is the password for sdk meamo's user login ? |
| 01:34.06 | unohu62 | I have a n N800 running Diablo what are my choices to get a more current environment running on it? |
| 01:34.52 | Termana | unohu62, you can wait for MeeGo on n8x0 to be ready? |
| 01:35.12 | cehteh | or hell freezing over |
| 01:35.13 | sobczyk | are there any examples of hildon input method? (working source code) ? |
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| 01:35.25 | unohu62 | anybody running meego on it now? |
| 01:35.30 | Termana | unohu62, or some people are using Gentoo on n8x0. You could run Ubuntu or Debian. |
| 01:35.44 | cehteh | yeah debian .. or how about mer? |
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| 01:36.25 | unohu62 | is mer being depreciated in favour of meego? |
| 01:36.40 | Termana | cehteh, personally, I wouldn't recommend Mer. Its a great project etc. - but I could never get mine to connect to the internet. So... maybe just me, but not useful for others if it can't |
| 01:36.55 | Termana | Mind you, I was trying with Bluetooth |
| 01:36.57 | cehteh | i never tried, and i only have a n900 |
| 01:37.23 | Termana | unohu62, yes - Mer efforts are now going into MeeGo |
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| 01:37.47 | cehteh | considering the memory and resource limitations you prolly happy to have an old rusty distro on the n8x0 |
| 01:38.34 | Termana | cehteh, I think you'll find MeeGo will run fine on n8x0, even with its "memory and resource limitations" |
| 01:38.35 | unohu62 | what runs the best on the N800 now? |
| 01:38.36 | cehteh | well and n8x0 still needs the fucked up nokia kernel or? |
| 01:39.05 | Termana | cehteh, or... no? Several people including luke-jr and myself have made an effort to get a working .33 kernel |
| 01:39.22 | cehteh | and got it working? |
| 01:39.33 | Termana | cehteh, mostly yes |
| 01:39.41 | cehteh | asi saied i dont have the device |
| 01:40.25 | Chiku | ok just than dman azerty and qwerty keyboard |
| 01:48.16 | luke-jr | Termana: mostly no -.- |
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| 01:54.51 | Chiku | is it possible to run fremantle in VM ? |
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| 01:55.29 | Chiku | I want to test apps before to install into n900 |
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| 01:55.56 | Chiku | to check how an application looks like |
| 01:56.47 | LiraNuna | <Termana> cehteh, or... no? Several people including luke-jr and myself have made an effort to get a working .33 kernel |
| 01:56.50 | LiraNuna | O_O |
| 01:56.53 | LiraNuna | what doesn't work? |
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| 01:58.34 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: GPS, at least |
| 01:58.36 | Termana | LiraNuna, well, power management is a little shotty, and GPS is not there |
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| 01:58.59 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: and what does "work" is far from suitable for mainline merging |
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| 01:59.16 | LiraNuna | I see |
| 01:59.28 | luke-jr | because some people *cough* Termana *cough* can't bother to use git properly |
| 01:59.33 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 01:59.39 | LiraNuna | will GPS "ever" work? |
| 01:59.39 | Termana | *rolls eyes* |
| 01:59.51 | Termana | luke-jr, I'm working on it, I'm working on it :P |
| 01:59.52 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: unlikely unless Nokia releases some code |
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| 01:59.54 | LiraNuna | i.e, are there efforts to RE/aquire kernel? |
| 01:59.59 | LiraNuna | +driver* |
| 02:00.14 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: Stskeeps has NDA'd code. No idea how much time he will spend on it. |
| 02:00.30 | luke-jr | I imagine he'll get it "working" to the extent it did with the Diablo kernel |
| 02:00.30 | LiraNuna | oh wow |
| 02:00.51 | LiraNuna | in Stskeeps we trust |
| 02:00.53 | luke-jr | but debugging all the glitches it had even then are probably not going to happen |
| 02:01.00 | luke-jr | unless Nokia actually releases the code |
| 02:01.08 | luke-jr | or I manage to reverse engineer enough of it |
| 02:01.11 | luke-jr | and someone reimplements it |
| 02:01.33 | Termana | Is GPS really that big of a deal anyway? :P |
| 02:01.41 | luke-jr | currently, I am hand decompiling a function that both parses the GPS packet and sets lat/lon internally |
| 02:01.50 | luke-jr | Termana: GPS is pretty much why I bought a N810 |
| 02:02.41 | luke-jr | well, not the ONLY reason, but a KEY one |
| 02:02.53 | LiraNuna | is the GPS chip on N8x0 the same as N900's? |
| 02:02.56 | luke-jr | no |
| 02:03.03 | luke-jr | or at least, if it is, it's interfaced differently |
| 02:03.12 | luke-jr | N900's GPS is connected to the modem |
| 02:03.18 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 02:03.20 | luke-jr | N810 has no modem, so the GPS is connected to the system |
| 02:03.36 | luke-jr | in the N810, the system does all the GPS calculations |
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| 02:04.02 | Termana | luke-jr, why not just use the .21 kernel for your purposes then? Your only running Gentoo anyway... |
| 02:04.08 | luke-jr | the changelog hints at some HyPE library |
| 02:04.12 | luke-jr | but I can't find anything on Google |
| 02:04.19 | luke-jr | Termana: "only" |
| 02:04.24 | luke-jr | Termana: because 128 MB RAM is too little for KDE |
| 02:04.29 | luke-jr | 2.6.33 has ramzswap |
| 02:04.35 | luke-jr | also, cx3110x doesn't support PPI |
| 02:04.36 | luke-jr | p54spi does |
| 02:04.46 | luke-jr | p54spi also lets me run kismet while I'm connected to my AP |
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| 02:04.58 | LiraNuna | cx3110x is? |
| 02:05.05 | luke-jr | cx3110x is the blob wifi driver in Diablo |
| 02:05.08 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 02:05.15 | LiraNuna | p54spi is the OSS one |
| 02:05.18 | luke-jr | p54spi is the mainline implementation included in 2.6.33 |
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| 02:05.59 | LiraNuna | how does p54spi performs in terms of power management? |
| 02:06.04 | LiraNuna | perform* |
| 02:06.09 | luke-jr | no clue |
| 02:06.19 | skynets | hi i want to replace the digitizer on my n900. found one on ebay |
| 02:06.20 | luke-jr | my N810 won't charge its battery |
| 02:06.23 | luke-jr | unless I boot Maemo |
| 02:06.41 | skynets | is it easy to do? |
| 02:06.51 | luke-jr | skynets: the what? |
| 02:06.55 | LiraNuna | there was a forum thread about that |
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| 02:07.01 | LiraNuna | luke-jr, the touch screen layer |
| 02:07.25 | skynets | its scratched |
| 02:07.46 | skynets | 5$2 |
| 02:07.48 | skynets | $52 |
| 02:08.07 | luke-jr | for only 7 times that, you could get a new Pandora! :p |
| 02:08.24 | LiraNuna | pandora has no 3G |
| 02:08.25 | LiraNuna | sadly |
| 02:08.33 | luke-jr | shrug |
| 02:08.35 | luke-jr | 3G is useless to me |
| 02:08.50 | LiraNuna | it's the main reason I got N900 |
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| 02:08.53 | luke-jr | even if I could afford the ridiculous prices, they don't have coverage where I am |
| 02:09.00 | Termana | Also, luke-jr owns an iPad |
| 02:09.04 | luke-jr | Termana: liar |
| 02:09.05 | LiraNuna | first I got N810WE because it was promised that SF will get WiMAX in 2009 |
| 02:09.14 | luke-jr | Termana: now you need to buy me one to make it true |
| 02:09.17 | skynets | pandora needs a slim card slot otherwise its just another useless game console that takes space in my pockets |
| 02:09.24 | LiraNuna | so I now got both N810WE and N900 |
| 02:09.26 | Termana | luke-jr, are you saying you WANT one? :P |
| 02:09.32 | luke-jr | skynets: slim card? |
| 02:09.37 | skynets | sim* |
| 02:09.42 | luke-jr | Termana: I'll take anything for free. won't run Apple s/w tho |
| 02:09.44 | skynets | pandora is a failure |
| 02:09.54 | skynets | it wont be released by 2011 |
| 02:10.02 | luke-jr | skynets: it's already shipping |
| 02:10.12 | luke-jr | johnx's Pandora is in the mail |
| 02:10.22 | skynets | when where how? |
| 02:10.22 | Termana | luke-jr, there is no Linux running on the iPad :P yet anyhow |
| 02:10.32 | luke-jr | Termana: so maybe I'll be the first |
| 02:10.33 | skynets | finally |
| 02:10.36 | LiraNuna | hypePad |
| 02:10.47 | Termana | luke-jr, right, just after I get the iPad in the mail |
| 02:10.51 | Termana | :P |
| 02:11.17 | luke-jr | Termana: I'd gladly take a WePad instead |
| 02:11.24 | luke-jr | you can call your lie a typo |
| 02:11.26 | luke-jr | :D |
| 02:11.34 | Termana | :D |
| 02:11.44 | Termana | luke-jr, I thought you weren't a fan of Android |
| 02:11.47 | luke-jr | nope |
| 02:11.51 | luke-jr | won't run its shipped OS either |
| 02:11.53 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 02:12.16 | luke-jr | no matter what I get, it's pretty inevitable I'll put Gentoo on it XD |
| 02:12.34 | Termana | luke-jr, can you imagine that situation. People surrounding you having Android on theirs and people having their iPad |
| 02:12.40 | Termana | and you say "I'm running Gentoo" |
| 02:12.45 | luke-jr | exactly? |
| 02:12.47 | Termana | bird sounds |
| 02:12.54 | luke-jr | peer pressure scares me away |
| 02:12.55 | Termana | *bird sounds* * |
| 02:13.16 | cehteh | heh .. if you want to be l33t intall nixos |
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| 02:13.30 | luke-jr | I don't |
| 02:13.38 | luke-jr | I know how to use Gentoo |
| 02:13.50 | Termana | luke-jr is secretly a BSD fan |
| 02:14.01 | luke-jr | maybe |
| 02:14.07 | cehteh | haha .. how about hurd on the n8x0? |
| 02:14.09 | luke-jr | GNU/k*BSD |
| 02:14.15 | luke-jr | cehteh: as if |
| 02:14.21 | Termana | Richard Stallman will turn over in his grave! (err... when he gets there) |
| 02:14.49 | LiraNuna | confused |
| 02:14.51 | luke-jr | Stallman won't care in his grave |
| 02:14.54 | Termana | BSD is rather lack luster in the ARM support department |
| 02:15.37 | derf | Compared to x86, pretty much everything is. |
| 02:15.51 | Termana | Which is too bad, I really would like to have BSD running just for shits and giggles |
| 02:16.31 | LiraNuna | luke-jr, in .33, everything is functional? (aside of GPS) |
| 02:16.38 | LiraNuna | bluetooth, sound? |
| 02:16.39 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: doubt it |
| 02:16.43 | luke-jr | not sound |
| 02:16.53 | luke-jr | p54spi has some bugs still |
| 02:16.59 | cehteh | you can be happy when it doesnt fry the cpu |
| 02:17.16 | luke-jr | no clue on Bluetooth |
| 02:17.20 | luke-jr | I don't use BT |
| 02:17.20 | Termana | LiraNuna, bluetooth works... that was my nice hackish job - you only have a single bluetooth address for every n8x0 out there using .33 |
| 02:17.34 | skynets | how can you support maemo and hate android... sounds like you're too biased :P |
| 02:17.39 | luke-jr | Termana: can you set it from userspace? |
| 02:17.44 | luke-jr | skynets: I hate Maemo too |
| 02:18.18 | Termana | luke-jr, I don't think so. I never got it to load the firmware properly and left my address hardcoded |
| 02:18.29 | luke-jr | LiraNuna: http://elinux.org/N800 |
| 02:18.50 | cehteh | hey put android on the n8x0 .. that will be slow like molasses and shocking to the nokianigans |
| 02:18.59 | luke-jr | cehteh: #NITdroid |
| 02:19.12 | Termana | cehteh, n8x0 does run Android, and it runs fine, not slow. |
| 02:19.13 | LiraNuna | ^ |
| 02:19.26 | Termana | The nerve of preassumptions :\ |
| 02:20.23 | skynets | http://cgi.ebay.ca/DIGITIZER-LCD-Touch-Screens-lens-for-nokia-N900-N-900_W0QQitemZ170462944386QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item27b0621c82#ht_2208wt_911 |
| 02:20.26 | cehteh | hehe ok |
| 02:20.27 | skynets | should i order this |
| 02:21.46 | cehteh | do you need it? |
| 02:21.49 | skynets | yes |
| 02:21.51 | skynets | well |
| 02:22.02 | skynets | no but the scratches are so annoying |
| 02:22.23 | cehteh | no screen protector? |
| 02:22.43 | skynets | ive learnt my lesson |
| 02:22.52 | cehteh | :> |
| 02:23.02 | skynets | didnt know the screen was so cheap |
| 02:23.27 | cehteh | resistive screen must have a plastic front to sense pressure |
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| 02:24.01 | skynets | im gonna change the digitizer, the whole body and sell it for 500 bucks |
| 02:24.04 | skynets | get rid of that shit |
| 02:24.13 | cehteh | heh |
| 02:24.14 | luke-jr | lol |
| 02:24.34 | skynets | im not going back to nokia again |
| 02:24.37 | cehteh | who will pay 500$ for a used one? |
| 02:24.46 | skynets | 500 cdn |
| 02:24.49 | skynets | they dont sell them here |
| 02:24.56 | skynets | hope it happens before the iphone comes out |
| 02:24.57 | cehteh | how much is that in euro? |
| 02:25.16 | cehteh | in europe its overpriced and still you get it for 480Eur |
| 02:25.23 | luke-jr | 387 euro |
| 02:25.39 | lpotter | i've had mine for many months and dont have scratches |
| 02:25.48 | skynets | 386.6378 EUR |
| 02:25.49 | skynets | yeah |
| 02:25.52 | cehteh | depends how you handle it |
| 02:26.03 | skynets | its not just that |
| 02:26.33 | skynets | the OS had bad support in general. its pretty much a nerd phone. |
| 02:26.38 | cehteh | mine is almost always in a protective case and has a screen protector since i unpacked it |
| 02:26.53 | skynets | nokia figured out that the community could support the phone |
| 02:26.57 | cehteh | well .. you should have known that before you ordered it |
| 02:27.12 | lpotter | man, i just throw mine around since it isnt really mine :) |
| 02:27.18 | skynets | cehteh, you're right, but their ads showed different phone |
| 02:27.19 | luke-jr | skynets: which we can't, since Nokia won't open it |
| 02:27.19 | cehteh | well nokia forgot/doesnt support that well enough |
| 02:27.37 | luke-jr | Nokia seems good at false advertising :/ |
| 02:27.53 | Termana | luke-jr, out of interest which are you a fan of - resistive or capacitive? |
| 02:27.59 | luke-jr | resistive |
| 02:28.04 | skynets | cehteh check this |
| 02:28.04 | skynets | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYnx0PUX7Do |
| 02:28.08 | cehteh | iphone ads dont show that you have to kiss steve jobs ass, wipe it after that, cant exchange the batteries and getting locked into a expensive contract |
| 02:28.09 | skynets | it's what i thought it was |
| 02:28.13 | cehteh | never trust ads |
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| 02:28.27 | skynets | cehteh i trusted nokia... owned a n95. |
| 02:28.33 | skynets | at the time it was the shit |
| 02:28.44 | cehteh | well i am moderately happy with the n900 |
| 02:28.59 | cehteh | so far for me the only alternative would be not to have such a toy |
| 02:29.21 | skynets | cehteh have you seen the droid shadow |
| 02:29.26 | skynets | leaked specs |
| 02:29.40 | cehteh | i dont want droid |
| 02:30.03 | luke-jr | I wish companies just stuck to hardware |
| 02:30.09 | cehteh | i want some native os where i can easily port existing apps too |
| 02:30.20 | luke-jr | then other companies could buy the hardware and write software |
| 02:30.25 | luke-jr | and brand the final product |
| 02:30.26 | cehteh | luke-jr: ack! ... and open the specs |
| 02:30.31 | luke-jr | cehteh: obviously |
| 02:30.34 | skynets | android has a bright future |
| 02:30.44 | skynets | cool to be part of it |
| 02:30.49 | luke-jr | Android sucks |
| 02:30.50 | cehteh | skynets: i dont care about future |
| 02:30.59 | cehteh | what does it give to me? |
| 02:30.59 | luke-jr | skynets: Android was just kicked out of Linux basically |
| 02:31.24 | cehteh | i want something what i can use for what i like *now* |
| 02:31.31 | luke-jr | cehteh: that's what Android is |
| 02:31.33 | skynets | what do you like |
| 02:31.36 | luke-jr | hacks to make it work *now* |
| 02:31.44 | luke-jr | skynets: I don't like anything. I use Gentoo. |
| 02:31.50 | skynets | lol |
| 02:32.04 | cehteh | no emacs on android :) |
| 02:32.26 | luke-jr | with KDE |
| 02:32.34 | skynets | gentoo... if i was into that i would still bed a virgin :P |
| 02:32.38 | skynets | be* |
| 02:32.45 | luke-jr | I'm married w/ 4 kids |
| 02:33.03 | skynets | marriage with an os doesnt count :/ |
| 02:33.23 | skynets | luke-jr, good for you |
| 02:33.24 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 02:33.45 | Termana | luke-jr, Android drivers just got kicked out of mainline, but now its going the other way |
| 02:34.07 | Termana | luke-jr, wakelocks got in as well (they are called suspend blockers now) |
| 02:34.20 | skynets | luke-jr, what do u think of ubuntu |
| 02:34.26 | luke-jr | 2.6.34 appears to have merged USB, MMC, and Menelaus for N8x0 |
| 02:34.42 | luke-jr | skynets: GNOME sucks |
| 02:34.50 | skynets | lol |
| 02:35.02 | skynets | cant you install kde |
| 02:35.09 | luke-jr | then it's called Kubuntu |
| 02:35.26 | Termana | Also skynets can use normal Linux apps on Android if he buys a Droid Shadow anyway |
| 02:35.34 | Termana | Little something called chroot |
| 02:35.57 | skynets | nice |
| 02:36.06 | skynets | i wonder who will buy my n900 |
| 02:36.13 | skynets | with the iphone coming soon |
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| 02:37.15 | Termana | You can run Debian alongside Android by chrooting into Debian on your SD card |
| 02:37.15 | luke-jr | iPhone sucks more |
| 02:37.22 | cehteh | i think there is no much overlap in potential customers |
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| 02:38.09 | cehteh | even if the n900 would have turned out utterly crap i would never consider a iphone and all people i know who have n900 think the same |
| 02:38.44 | Termana | The iPhone runs a unix base. You can also run Linux on the 2G and 3G |
| 02:38.52 | LiraNuna | +1 for iphone is crap |
| 02:38.55 | Termana | Just sayin |
| 02:39.05 | cehteh | you should rather fear the next nokia meego device, but nothing really seen yet |
| 02:39.17 | psycho_oreos | iphone doesn't run a unix base, it runs a hybrid base |
| 02:39.17 | LiraNuna | fear? |
| 02:39.34 | LiraNuna | why should I fear something I'm likely to buy? |
| 02:39.51 | skynets | ive learnt 1 thing... never buy a product when it just comes out |
| 02:39.52 | luke-jr | Termana: there's nothing unix about iPhone |
| 02:39.54 | skynets | especially phones |
| 02:39.58 | cehteh | the iphone hardware is not that great compared to the n900 in features |
| 02:40.08 | LiraNuna | skynets, so pre-ordering games is bad? :D |
| 02:40.15 | luke-jr | pre-ordering is stupid |
| 02:40.19 | skynets | except starcraft |
| 02:40.22 | skynets | 2 |
| 02:40.24 | cehteh | lol |
| 02:40.26 | Termana | luke-jr, you poor linux brainwashed soul. |
| 02:40.28 | psycho_oreos | and there's nothing good about buying a hardware with the founder being agnostic in its approaches to its `app marketplace' and `leaked iphone' |
| 02:40.48 | luke-jr | Termana: you're just brainwashed by the "OS X is FreeBSD" myth |
| 02:40.56 | skynets | like the pandora for example |
| 02:41.02 | skynets | ppl have been waiting for months :P |
| 02:41.09 | skynets | promised so many times |
| 02:41.13 | Termana | I'm not saying I'm in favour of the iPhone |
| 02:41.16 | skynets | theyre still not shipped |
| 02:41.30 | Termana | Though I do like some of the games that are iPhone exclusive |
| 02:41.31 | skynets | you jump in the boat and can't get out |
| 02:41.32 | Termana | :P |
| 02:41.47 | luke-jr | skynets: but they ARE shipped |
| 02:42.14 | LiraNuna | would love it if he could run maemo on a Motorola Droid |
| 02:42.29 | skynets | luke-jr, i checked and it's not confirmed yet :P maybe for some ppl but most haven't even been built yet (based on the status in the site) |
| 02:42.54 | skynets | LiraNuna, wtf lol |
| 02:42.56 | Termana | LiraNuna, you COULD, potentially. |
| 02:43.01 | LiraNuna | I know |
| 02:43.10 | LiraNuna | I think the Droid has better hardware design |
| 02:43.12 | Termana | By why bother really, I mean the Droid is just like the n900 :P |
| 02:43.19 | LiraNuna | especially the keyboard |
| 02:43.32 | LiraNuna | I don't like the N900's keyboard much |
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| 02:44.21 | LiraNuna | the N810's keyboard was perfect |
| 02:45.01 | arachnist | the droid/milestone has a shitty keyboard |
| 02:45.20 | Termana | The Droid 2 is coming with the same kind of keyboard as the n900 |
| 02:45.28 | LiraNuna | Termana, I've noticed :\ |
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| 02:46.38 | microlith | Termana: you won't be able to get the droid 2 without agreeing to a 2 year contract though |
| 02:46.53 | luke-jr | so? |
| 02:47.02 | luke-jr | if you're going to have it 2 years, why not |
| 02:47.35 | Termana | microlith, I won't be able to get the Droid 2 anyway - I'm not in the US. We dumped normal EV-DO in Australia |
| 02:47.50 | microlith | Termana: well, whatever they call the GSM version |
| 02:48.10 | Termana | microlith, if there is a GSM version, they will probably lock it down in the same fashion as the Milestone |
| 02:48.26 | microlith | Termana: thusly why I don't really give a damn about motorola hardware |
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| 02:50.31 | arachnist | was the motorola milestone really locked down? |
| 02:51.09 | arachnist | it had some features, at least the european version, that the droid lacked (at least initially), like multitouch |
| 02:51.16 | microlith | it was, I think an update that disabled the lockout |
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| 02:51.26 | microlith | all non-Milestone/Droid devices are locked down hard though |
| 02:51.31 | Termana | arachnist, yes, in contrast to the Droid, they used the OMAP3's TPM to sign everything |
| 02:51.45 | Termana | except the system partition |
| 02:51.46 | arachnist | ouch |
| 02:52.00 | Termana | That means, no changing the kernel for instance, which is possible on the Droid |
| 02:52.37 | Termana | This locked out overclockers, until they found a sneaky way to make a kernel module do their dirty work for them |
| 02:53.58 | luke-jr | way to violate the GPL |
| 02:54.06 | Termana | arachnist, but as microlith said, mostly all other device are locked down too. The Nexus One is the exception to the rule since you can unlock its bootloader |
| 02:54.14 | microlith | luke-jr: only if it's GPLv3 |
| 02:54.16 | Termana | luke-jr, the kernel is still on GPL2 |
| 02:54.18 | luke-jr | microlith: nope |
| 02:54.24 | luke-jr | GPLv2 is even stricter than GPLv3 in that area |
| 02:54.27 | microlith | no |
| 02:54.30 | microlith | it's TIVOization |
| 02:54.32 | luke-jr | GPLv3 just adds an exception for unnecessary keys |
| 02:54.36 | microlith | which is why the GPLv3 |
| 02:54.41 | luke-jr | with GPLv2, the keys are ALWAYS considered source code |
| 02:54.50 | microlith | no |
| 02:54.52 | luke-jr | yes |
| 02:54.57 | microlith | if that was true they'd have had a case for years |
| 02:55.01 | luke-jr | they do |
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| 02:55.07 | luke-jr | Linux developers just refuse to sue |
| 02:55.10 | microlith | oh right, the FSF can't sue |
| 02:55.19 | Termana | luke-jr, I think you'll find GPLv2 was found unenforceable in regards to Tivoisation, which is why GPLv3 came around |
| 02:55.21 | microlith | since if anyone did people would flock away from linux |
| 02:55.34 | luke-jr | Termana: I'm not aware of it going to any courts |
| 02:55.55 | microlith | I suppose that's a big part of why there's no GNU in Android |
| 02:56.01 | luke-jr | anyone know where 2.6.35 is being put together? |
| 02:56.08 | luke-jr | or does that not even start until 2.6.34 is released? |
| 02:56.16 | microlith | it doesn't start until .34 is released |
| 02:56.20 | luke-jr | lame |
| 02:56.23 | microlith | are you not on LKML? |
| 02:56.30 | luke-jr | I hope not |
| 02:56.31 | luke-jr | too spammy |
| 02:56.43 | microlith | that's what filters are for! |
| 02:57.12 | Termana | microlith, theres no GNU is Android because they wanted to have the whole thing licensed under the Apache license in order to allow proprietary code |
| 02:57.23 | Termana | Also .34 has been released already |
| 02:57.26 | luke-jr | Termana: minus the kernel? |
| 02:57.35 | Termana | luke-jr, right, minus the kernel. |
| 02:57.36 | luke-jr | Termana: what?? it's not tagged in Linus' tree |
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| 02:58.05 | Termana | luke-jr, do you need a mential institution? |
| 02:58.21 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:58.23 | Termana | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary |
| 02:58.31 | Termana | Look in the tags |
| 02:58.50 | Termana | "13 days agov2.6.34Linux 2.6.34tag | commit | shortlog | log" |
| 02:59.19 | Termana | .35 work has already started |
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| 02:59.29 | luke-jr | stabs git |
| 02:59.57 | luke-jr | 'git tag' needs to become aware of version sorting |
| 02:59.58 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 03:00.22 | luke-jr | as in, put RCs *before* the final |
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| 03:06.47 | Chiku | no search applicaiton with PR1.2? |
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| 03:11.57 | LiraNuna | will N900 get a new kernel update? |
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| 03:12.40 | SwedeMike | with PR1.2 it replaced my installed kernel anyway. |
| 03:13.05 | LiraNuna | it's still .28, right? |
| 03:13.14 | SwedeMike | yes. |
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| 03:13.45 | LiraNuna | there are patches in linux-omap for .33 rx-51 |
| 03:13.57 | LiraNuna | from Nov however |
| 03:14.31 | microlith | I suppose once the next N900 meego release comes, you could probably plug in the .33 kernel from that |
| 03:16.10 | Termana | LiraNuna, There probably will be no other kernel updates for the n900, in terms of newer releases |
| 03:16.17 | Termana | The MeeGo kernel will be incompatible |
| 03:16.28 | microlith | how so? |
| 03:16.39 | Termana | and so will all mainline kernels that will contain RX 51 code |
| 03:16.48 | LiraNuna | Termana, http://lwn.net/Articles/362479/ |
| 03:17.13 | Termana | microlith, theres something in the .28 OMAP kernel that got dropped and MeeGo doesn't need it, so no work is put in to get it back |
| 03:17.35 | LiraNuna | Termana, why does the N900 need it? |
| 03:18.09 | Termana | LiraNuna, I believe the code tells Maemo about the boot state, I can't remember exactly but I can look it up if you want |
| 03:18.34 | LiraNuna | so, what does the meego N900 release use? |
| 03:18.40 | LiraNuna | I know it got released recently |
| 03:18.50 | LiraNuna | haven't tried it myself, though so I don't know how complete it is |
| 03:19.06 | jacekowski | how you can make kernel incompatible? |
| 03:19.25 | luke-jr | Maemo requires non-standard interfaces |
| 03:19.37 | Termana | Right so the code in particular is the boot tag code I believe |
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| 03:20.41 | Termana | and the OMAP Bootreason code |
| 03:20.41 | luke-jr | IIRC the mainliners said to use kernel options or board file stuff to replace it |
| 03:20.49 | luke-jr | boot tags, that is |
| 03:21.29 | microlith | Termana: hmm, glad they had that in back in december >.> |
| 03:21.52 | luke-jr | which doesn't really help unless Nokia promises that all N8x0 always have the same boot tag info :p |
| 03:22.38 | jacekowski | luke-jr: non-standard interfaces? |
| 03:22.42 | jacekowski | luke-jr: any details on that |
| 03:23.02 | luke-jr | jacekowski: /proc/bootreason, etc |
| 03:23.15 | jacekowski | that can be emulated |
| 03:23.18 | jacekowski | in userland |
| 03:23.28 | luke-jr | Termana: FWIW tho, I wrote an app to decode /proc/atags including OMAP Boot Tags ;) |
| 03:23.34 | jacekowski | ugly hack with ld_preload but it can be done |
| 03:23.55 | luke-jr | jacekowski: except that all this stuff runs before your rootfs |
| 03:24.07 | luke-jr | and can't be rebuild to work with normal libc |
| 03:24.08 | luke-jr | etc |
| 03:24.47 | luke-jr | just updated http://elinux.org/N800#Status with 2.6.34 and 2.6.35-so-far FWIW |
| 03:24.53 | jacekowski | well, klibc is almost standard libc |
| 03:24.56 | Termana | Either way, I don't think Maemo will boot/work properly without the kernel code there. There is always the possibility it might work, luckily there is no harm in trying. |
| 03:25.05 | luke-jr | 2.6.35 added TMP105 implementation... anyone want to do the board side? :P |
| 03:27.35 | jacekowski | luke-jr: hmm, it's staticaly linked isn't it? |
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| 03:27.44 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no |
| 03:28.08 | jacekowski | then it can be done really easily |
| 03:28.10 | jacekowski | easy* |
| 03:29.07 | jacekowski | and worst case scenario just hack whatever uses anything non standard and hardcode some values |
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| 03:32.48 | luke-jr | but you forget I hate Maemo and therefore have no interest in any of this |
| 03:32.50 | luke-jr | :P |
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| 03:34.55 | jacekowski | besides |
| 03:35.01 | jacekowski | what about meego on n900? |
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| 03:44.49 | jacekowski | is there any UK distributor of beagle board? |
| 03:48.39 | DerSaidin | alright |
| 03:49.37 | jacekowski | ideally in london |
| 03:49.42 | jacekowski | and ideally open today |
| 03:49.48 | jacekowski | ( i'll be in london today ) |
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| 04:28.08 | sobczyk | I've downloaded vmware images, lauched in virtualbox. I wanted to use ESbox but after selecting workspace, epty popup appears with no text or buttons, how to fix it? |
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| 04:29.43 | jacekowski | have you noticed what you said |
| 04:29.51 | jacekowski | vmware images in virtualbox |
| 04:30.11 | jacekowski | use latest virtualbox |
| 04:30.31 | sobczyk | if there is a section in README concerning additions for virtualbox then it's officialy supported |
| 04:30.58 | jacekowski | not really |
| 04:31.09 | sobczyk | GuestAddition installer should be used only for VirtualBox virtual images |
| 04:31.19 | jacekowski | use latest version |
| 04:31.26 | sobczyk | then what is the line for if it's not to be used in vbox? |
| 04:31.33 | undrwater | has anyone here touched the aava mobile phone? |
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| 04:59.27 | jaem | Evening... |
| 04:59.37 | jacekowski | morning |
| 05:01.26 | jaem | So, the Qt SDK works, but I guess someone forgot to remove some code XD http://imagebin.ca/view/MQc2TA.html |
| 05:01.39 | jaem | Look at the bottom of the dialog. |
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| 05:21.00 | sobczyk | ok I updated virtualbox to 3.2 and not even ubuntu doesn't boot |
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| 06:01.18 | ZogG_N900 | yo yo yo maemiggers ) |
| 06:02.23 | ZogG_N900 | do i need to set fn+backspace as tab somewhere or it's outofbox? |
| 06:03.37 | ZogG_N900 | sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't =( |
| 06:05.03 | ZogG_N900 | frals, sup.do you have your own bugtracker or should i report to garage? |
| 06:06.01 | ZogG_N900 | ~ping |
| 06:06.01 | infobot | ~pong |
| 06:06.40 | ZogG_N900 | everybody still sleeping ?) |
| 06:07.00 | Termana | ZogG_N900, firstly, we are not your maemiggers, and that sounds very racist. |
| 06:07.12 | Termana | Secondly, "yo yo yo", stop trying to sound ethnic |
| 06:07.32 | Termana | Thirdly, you'll probably need to set it |
| 06:07.52 | ZogG_N900 | meh. why is there always some srs guy in here ) |
| 06:08.05 | Termana | And thats the peter, yes I swear thats the peter |
| 06:08.09 | Termana | thats the peter panda dance |
| 06:08.11 | Termana | ! |
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| 06:09.45 | Termana | ZogG_N900, *COUGH* either way, your ON your n900, why not TRY it? |
| 06:10.25 | ZogG_N900 | termana i don't think words you can hear in almost everymovie and on tv shows are racist. as well the meaning of original is black. and any word is racist if you want to hear person |
| 06:11.29 | Termana | still, I doubt we regard ourselves as your "maemiggers" :\ :P |
| 06:11.45 | ZogG_N900 | it was joooooooke |
| 06:13.08 | ZogG_N900 | and tab is not working ( |
| 06:13.12 | Termana | ZogG_N900, you think? :P But anyway, you didn't answer my question - why not just TRY it, since your on your n900 anyway |
| 06:13.18 | Termana | scrap the last bit |
| 06:13.38 | Termana | ZogG_N900, your only wanting it for xchat right? |
| 06:14.51 | ZogG_N900 | not only |
| 06:15.01 | ZogG_N900 | the problem it works |
| 06:16.09 | Termana | thats generally not a problem, thats normally a good thing |
| 06:16.23 | Termana | :P |
| 06:16.30 | ZogG_N900 | wait |
| 06:16.42 | ZogG_N900 | and than i reboot and it doesn't |
| 06:17.06 | ZogG_N900 | so i need to catch the right boot of phone it would work |
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| 06:17.21 | Termana | say what now? |
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| 06:24.08 | ZogG_N900 | termana i boot device it works |
| 06:24.22 | ZogG_N900 | it would work till reboot |
| 06:25.10 | ZogG_N900 | like it doesn't break in the middle that's what i mean |
| 06:25.34 | Termana | ZogG_N900, are you trying to say: on some boots it works on others it doesnt? |
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| 06:25.58 | ZogG_N900 | termana exactly |
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| 06:32.12 | ZogG_N900 | as well some boots virtual keyboard doesn't work but happens once a .... very long time |
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| 06:51.49 | wall[e] | http://lh4.ggpht.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/TAIK5qwLq5I/AAAAAAAAAgo/y0E-0AQ-oqE/recaller_64.png |
| 06:51.55 | wall[e] | i don't like it but just for now |
| 06:52.23 | wall[e] | i wish recaller don't blink when pressing :) |
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| 06:55.33 | pupnik | would be good for lo-color graphics wall[e] |
| 06:55.58 | pupnik | e.g. 8-bit, where few colors are available |
| 06:56.12 | pupnik | ever do game graphics? |
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| 07:00.16 | K0JIbKA | Hi all ;) |
| 07:02.03 | pupnik | huhu |
| 07:03.55 | wall[e] | pupnik: yes |
| 07:04.12 | wall[e] | pupnik: i have been working in a game company hehe |
| 07:04.22 | pupnik | :) |
| 07:04.45 | pupnik | it shows. your stuff pops to the eye. :) |
| 07:05.01 | wall[e] | hehe |
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| 07:05.08 | Trizt | Any way to use desktop command execution widget to see the current cpu frequency? |
| 07:05.39 | wall[e] | better focus on completing my theme |
| 07:07.06 | K0JIbKA | Please, tell me at your experience what is the average price of N900 in your region(name it) . Secondly is it reasonable to pay for the subject 380$, or it's a kind of joke? |
| 07:07.49 | ColdFyre | http://nokia-n900.com/maemo-5-vs-android-2-1/ |
| 07:07.50 | ColdFyre | wtf |
| 07:08.00 | ColdFyre | isn't that comparing apples to oranges? |
| 07:09.16 | pupnik | K0JIbKA: 450 euro in germany |
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| 07:10.14 | pupnik | ColdFyre: do the devices compete in the same market |
| 07:10.33 | K0JIbKA | pupnik: count one |
| 07:10.39 | Trizt | K0JIbKA; 5995SEK sweden |
| 07:10.54 | ColdFyre | well yes but each has a different target audience |
| 07:11.01 | K0JIbKA | Trizt:two |
| 07:11.12 | Trizt | K0JIbKA; just go to the different nokia shops online and you get prices there |
| 07:12.08 | wall[e] | n900 was built to lure foss dev to build nokia free apps :) |
| 07:12.21 | pupnik | ColdFyre: i thinl maemo wants to target more than a few linux users |
| 07:12.27 | K0JIbKA | Trizt: I'm going to save on purchase, delivery might rise the expense though |
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| 07:13.21 | Trizt | okey, try to get in touch with someone who works at the Chinese factory, they may be able to slip one to you for 2 -3 months sallery |
| 07:13.48 | K0JIbKA | Trizt: :) |
| 07:14.43 | K0JIbKA | Any experience in that? |
| 07:14.43 | Trizt | not sure if they get as lousy pay as those working with apple products |
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| 07:15.19 | Trizt | K0JIbKA; no, I don't have. Keep in mind that warranties may work quite differently in different countries too |
| 07:16.50 | wall[e] | $614 in bangkok |
| 07:16.57 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.35 | Trizt | K0JIbKA; I think that 350 will be difficult to beat, specially if i's a unlocked one |
| 07:17.56 | swc|666 | K0JIbKA, oddly, i paid 850 for my first one, then 350 for my second one |
| 07:18.32 | K0JIbKA | Depends on what part of China man comes from maybe |
| 07:18.45 | swc|666 | lolyup |
| 07:19.31 | K0JIbKA | swc|666:where's that? |
| 07:19.59 | swc|666 | K0JIbKA, the first one i got from an amazon dealer; rthe second one from someone i know |
| 07:20.05 | swc|666 | s/rthe/the/ |
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| 07:21.03 | K0JIbKA | Means Amazon is a waste, is it? |
| 07:21.23 | swc|666 | K0JIbKA, yeah, but at the time .. I *had* to have it |
| 07:21.34 | swc|666 | and everywhere else was out of stock |
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| 07:22.48 | K0JIbKA | It's a long time for need to change my good old N800 to a new set:/ |
| 07:23.01 | swc|666 | haha yeah |
| 07:23.21 | Trizt | bought from Nokia, who said it would be delivered before Christmas (confirmed by Nokia staff), delivered after Christmas, they knew how to ruin a Christmas |
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| 07:24.17 | mc_teo | can i make and receive skype video calls yet? |
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| 07:24.23 | swc|666 | ya nokia screwed a lot of people |
| 07:24.56 | spectre- | mornin |
| 07:25.07 | Trizt | mc_teo; to make your contact has to enable video chat in their client. |
| 07:25.09 | wall[e] | anyone know if underlying mail checking system for modest is a script or binary? I want a simple hack to make each account use different refreshing time. |
| 07:25.09 | spectre- | i've tried making but haven't successfully done it yet |
| 07:25.13 | spectre- | n900 to n900 |
| 07:25.19 | spectre- | but thats due to my bad link |
| 07:25.21 | spectre- | :p |
| 07:25.27 | K0JIbKA | Trizt: 5995SEK - what's the rate for$? |
| 07:25.28 | spectre- | (i think) |
| 07:25.36 | spectre- | anyone successfully done it? |
| 07:26.16 | Trizt | K0JIbKA; hadd to sue my n900 to find that out, 760.07 |
| 07:26.18 | mc_teo | well want about using the cam for other things, like msn? |
| 07:26.56 | Trizt | just write a new msn plugin |
| 07:27.11 | Trizt | think there is already 3-4 of those |
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| 07:45.01 | ZogG_N900 | mohammadag hey |
| 07:45.19 | ZogG_N900 | not here ( |
| 07:45.29 | auenf | hmm, PR1.2 freed ~15mb on rootfs |
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| 07:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
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| 07:58.31 | Termana | good morning DocScrutinizer |
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| 08:10.19 | mc_teo | how can i open rar files on n900? |
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| 08:12.38 | Appiah | unrar mc_teo |
| 08:12.50 | Appiah | I've seen some application/plugins for that in the filemanager too |
| 08:12.54 | Appiah | check the app manager |
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| 08:14.51 | mc_teo | sure i might as well get 7zip |
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| 08:15.35 | Appiah | thats what I did |
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| 08:22.52 | mc_teo | Appiah: does 7zip support rar? |
| 08:23.02 | mc_teo | im getting errors here |
| 08:23.30 | Appiah | yupp |
| 08:25.57 | mc_teo | im getting loads of errors |
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| 08:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: binary, I bet |
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| 08:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: modest, the winner of golden lemon on N900 |
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| 08:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: honestly, if you want anything more than the absolute basics, you're better off with a webmailer |
| 08:33.36 | RST38h | Claws works |
| 08:34.06 | RST38h | But I am seriously torn between Modest and Tracker on the subject of the golden lemon |
| 08:34.34 | mc_teo | when trying to extract a .rar file using 7zip, i get an error unsupported format |
| 08:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: oh yeah, forgot tracker |
| 08:35.49 | Termana | mc_teo, use unrar package, not that hard. - Termana, Sent From My Computer |
| 08:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | but tracker isn't conceived as a genuine app |
| 08:36.08 | mc_teo | actually the error is "unsupported method" |
| 08:36.50 | mc_teo | Termana: i would of done that, but i didnt want too apps that do the exact same thing |
| 08:37.19 | Termana | If its that troublesome, just uninstall unrar when your finished with it |
| 08:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: try mc |
| 08:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: dunno if it needs unrar or other binary to handle rar files |
| 08:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | on PC it works like a charm |
| 08:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: probably if it wouldn't allow to run mc, I'd never bought the N900 ;-) |
| 08:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | forget hildon file manager, it's incredible crap |
| 08:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | useless |
| 08:42.39 | Termana | :P |
| 08:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: I'd had tested it for you, but alas I have no .rar on my N900 ;-) |
| 08:43.01 | mc_teo | yeah its working now |
| 08:43.42 | mc_teo | when installing 7zip, it mentioned something about a 7zip-rar package |
| 08:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 08:43.57 | mc_teo | probably needs that to extracr rar |
| 08:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't bother less |
| 08:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | the gag of the year, form this channel "I zipped it, as I don't know if you can handle .tar.gz files" |
| 08:46.19 | Termana | heh |
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| 08:46.57 | pupnik | talk.maemo.org can't handle .tar.gz files |
| 08:47.16 | pupnik | well .tgz at least |
| 08:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | still choking from laughing each time I think of it |
| 08:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | who would want tmo to *handle* .tgz ?? |
| 08:48.12 | pupnik | accept as attachment to post |
| 08:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 08:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | .tar.gz.txt |
| 08:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | have fun :-P |
| 08:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | somebody told you there's no basic inherent concept of 'file.extensions' in unix? |
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| 08:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, some mime types base on extensions, and tar tries to guess the format from them, but that's about it |
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| 08:55.49 | muelli | DocScrutinizer: yes. And that's good. |
| 08:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | btw tmo knows .tar |
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| 09:00.24 | pupnik | i wonder why it takes zip but not tgz DocScrutinizer |
| 09:00.51 | pupnik | clearly not a "no binaries" policy |
| 09:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | written by redmond zombies? |
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| 09:03.03 | delor1 | do I use the same configuration for testing and devel repository after 1.2? |
| 09:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'd prefer a *.tgz.tar to a .zip all days, given the fact tmo knows .tar at least, and also that (un)tar doesn't *need* the extensions |
| 09:03.41 | pupnik | yes delor1 |
| 09:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | delor1: alas yes. (was the worst decision of the last 3 months, at least in my opinion) |
| 09:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly it was too much effort to clone these as well, for the incompatible 1.2 packages' versions |
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| 09:06.21 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, hehe thanks. I am thinking if getting php working on the system for webmail make any sense. |
| 09:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 09:09.18 | ZogG_N900 | mohammadag, here? |
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| 09:09.27 | ZogG_N900 | frals? |
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| 09:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Well - modest is at least open-source so you can fix it. |
| 09:11.04 | SpeedEvil | I notice nobody stepping up to the plate. |
| 09:11.20 | timeless | looks for the app downloader dev |
| 09:11.52 | timeless | speedevil: hey,i posted a patch for modest :) |
| 09:12.04 | SpeedEvil | Well - few people. |
| 09:12.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm slowly getting to the point I'm likely to put out patches for stuff in the next few months. |
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| 09:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil |
| 09:17.09 | Shapeshifter | I'm somewhat confused regarding the pyside packages on maemo5. It seems like there's pyside-qt4 with for example pyside-qt4-gui, which is 0.2.3 and depends on boost, and this seems to be the default. The only packages I found having something to do with shiboken are libpyside0 and libpyside0.3 but it seems like these only contain some "core" stuff? |
| 09:17.17 | Shapeshifter | At the same time there's the python-pyside metapackge which depends on all the pyside-qt4-* >=0.3.0 packages but the individual packages still depend on boost and are 0.2.3 |
| 09:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, boost AND shiboken. Now that will yield an overwhelming amount of power |
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| 09:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | in twinkle there's one reference to libboost-regex, and so I once tried to compile it. Turned out the friggin boost package needed some GB of disk storage to build |
| 09:21.46 | SpeedEvil | morning |
| 09:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | not really a surprise, given the goal to 'implement the better c++ successor' |
| 09:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | who needs qt or c++, we got boost XP |
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| 09:26.01 | wall[e] | http://domino.watson.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/1e4115aea78b6e7c85256b360066f0d4/7a30ed0aac59bf5d85256d79006f272f?OpenDocument |
| 09:26.13 | wall[e] | wonder if such interface is good for phone device |
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| 09:28.16 | wall[e] | (pop up with transparency like vkb) |
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| 09:30.20 | SpeedEvil | Interesting concept |
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| 09:32.40 | wall[e] | know one client has that implemented |
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| 09:33.16 | timeless | qt provides widgets |
| 09:33.29 | timeless | which no one wants to use ;) |
| 09:33.48 | wall[e] | http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail.data/screenshots/v1.2.0pre1/gnumail-gs.png |
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| 09:35.04 | SpeedEvil | The thread display could be usefully - in that example - be overlaid vertically onto the message list |
| 09:35.55 | wall[e] | nods. |
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| 09:42.09 | wall[e] | may be on the left with pull-in interface |
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| 09:42.50 | wall[e] | looks like crop circle, uk will love them. |
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| 09:54.38 | frals | frals@saviour:~:$ ./fmms_stats.py |
| 09:54.38 | frals | Total: 277349 downloads |
| 09:54.38 | frals | Minimum: 134 (2010-01-08 00:00:00) |
| 09:54.38 | frals | Maximum: 10341 (2010-05-27 00:00:00) |
| 09:54.47 | frals | \o/ |
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| 09:55.45 | Corsac | I still didn't even try it :/ |
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| 09:56.53 | Corsac | frals: hmmh, would it be possible to add fMMS stuff to the sharing services? |
| 09:57.15 | Corsac | ha, it's already available, in âservicesâ :) |
| 09:58.30 | frals | yeah :) |
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| 09:59.08 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, hey called orange |
| 09:59.16 | ZogG_N900 | i* |
| 09:59.49 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, what'd they say? |
| 10:00.14 | ZogG_N900 | they fixed it |
| 10:00.22 | MohammadAG | for all N900s? |
| 10:00.35 | FauxFaux | "We're useless cunts and you can't have more than gprs or to buy any extras 'cos our shop is broken"? |
| 10:00.38 | ZogG_N900 | nope it not n900 problem |
| 10:01.06 | MohammadAG | it is, they detect that it's an N900 and send it to an online album |
| 10:01.16 | MohammadAG | if frals is right they do it by reading the IMEI |
| 10:01.40 | frals | they ignore the useragent at least ;) |
| 10:02.08 | MohammadAG | well they send it to an online album on the N86 so I'm not sure what's f'd up there :P |
| 10:02.19 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, so does it work now? |
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| 10:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | moo mr m |
| 10:04.59 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, yes ) |
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| 10:05.24 | MohammadAG | moo Dr DocScrutinizer |
| 10:05.31 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, they have option or to send to phone or to site. asked to turn it to phone |
| 10:05.47 | SpeedEvil | frals: it's a pity that the stats widget doesn't let you break down extras-devel and extras downloads |
| 10:05.51 | SpeedEvil | (well - also testing) |
| 10:06.02 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, yay, so now I can receive their MMS spam again |
| 10:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | stats widget? |
| 10:06.38 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - the download counter |
| 10:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 10:06.49 | ZogG_N900 | frals, last fmms delete 3g connection on hovac mode |
| 10:07.05 | MohammadAG | wonders what an inode is |
| 10:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wikipedia is your friend |
| 10:07.27 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, full context |
| 10:07.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah, we had a fight last week |
| 10:07.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It's like an ipad, but more one-dimensional. |
| 10:07.46 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 10:07.50 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:08.15 | frals | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 10:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 10:08.20 | MohammadAG | Setting filetype for entry '..' in ??? (316714) to 2. |
| 10:08.21 | MohammadAG | Directory inode 164310, block 1, offset 0: directory corrupted |
| 10:08.21 | MohammadAG | Salvage<y>? |
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| 10:08.38 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: inodes are filesystem metadata entries |
| 10:08.39 | frals | ZogG_N900: yes, havoc mode hides the connection fmms uses |
| 10:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | no, nuke ;-P |
| 10:08.48 | MohammadAG | guess I'm f'd |
| 10:08.50 | MohammadAG | Failed to optimize directory ??? (11): EXT2 directory corruptedIllegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for in-use block map |
| 10:08.50 | MohammadAG | Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for block bitmap for /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 10:08.50 | MohammadAG | Warning... fsck.ext3 for device /dev/mmcblk1p1 exited with signal 11. |
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| 10:08.53 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: they hold data on files and directoried |
| 10:08.54 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 10:09.03 | MohammadAG | Oh |
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| 10:09.15 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I would restart it |
| 10:09.30 | MohammadAG | the fsck? did that |
| 10:09.34 | flux | mohammadag, get in contact with the author? |
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| 10:09.38 | MohammadAG | it's not showing any errors - yet |
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| 10:09.48 | MohammadAG | flux, author? |
| 10:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT? |
| 10:09.55 | flux | mohammadag, the author of e2fsck |
| 10:10.02 | BCMM | i'm thinking of installing mobilehotspot because my ADSL is having a stupid day - anything i should know about when installing a custom kernel? |
| 10:10.07 | MohammadAG | Umm,, why? |
| 10:10.12 | BCMM | e.g. will later updates clobber it? |
| 10:10.14 | flux | if the fsck is segfaulting, due to a bug |
| 10:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | fsck.ext3 SIG11 ?? :-o |
| 10:10.16 | MohammadAG | s/,,/.. |
| 10:10.38 | valdyn | BCMM: it just works, normally |
| 10:11.20 | MohammadAG | Pass 3A: Optimizing directories |
| 10:11.20 | MohammadAG | Failed to optimize directory ??? (11): EXT2 directory corruptedIllegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for in-use block map |
| 10:11.21 | MohammadAG | Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for block bitmap for /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 10:11.21 | MohammadAG | Warning... fsck.ext3 for device /dev/mmcblk1p1 exited with signal 11. |
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| 10:11.44 | valdyn | MohammadAG: you hit y to salvage? |
| 10:11.45 | SpeedEvil | That is probably a worthwhile bug report |
| 10:11.46 | ZogG_N900 | frals, so i don't have internet connection at all when it's in hovac? mode |
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| 10:11.58 | MohammadAG | valdyn, I hit enter for everything, so yeah |
| 10:12.16 | MohammadAG | restarted it with -a |
| 10:12.18 | valdyn | id restore a backup |
| 10:12.28 | BCMM | wow, 3g is a bit faster than my wired internet right now |
| 10:12.30 | MohammadAG | I don't have a backup lol |
| 10:12.34 | frals | err, it should let your normal internet connection be when in havoc unless youve used the mms access point for surfing |
| 10:12.35 | valdyn | after reformatting.. |
| 10:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's fsck scary |
| 10:12.48 | BCMM | and this is the end of the building that only has 3g reception on good days... |
| 10:12.58 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 10:12.59 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk1p1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 10:12.59 | MohammadAG | (i.e., without -a or -p options) |
| 10:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | as fsck is the fsckng best tested tool on unix - at least supposed to |
| 10:13.09 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, format c: |
| 10:13.16 | valdyn | MohammadAG: so make a backup now, it should be able to get all directories that aren't fucked |
| 10:13.35 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, is it mounted? |
| 10:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: make an image very first |
| 10:13.39 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, on linux? seriously? |
| 10:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | remount ro |
| 10:13.45 | valdyn | ZogG_N900: no |
| 10:13.57 | valdyn | MohammadAG: mkfs.ext3 is the command in this case |
| 10:13.58 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, sure? check mount |
| 10:14.07 | MohammadAG | It warns me if it's mounted |
| 10:14.12 | ZogG_N900 | valdyn, no what? |
| 10:14.15 | MohammadAG | valdyn, I'm not formatting it |
| 10:14.24 | MohammadAG | yet |
| 10:14.25 | valdyn | MohammadAG: yes, im just saying |
| 10:14.31 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, check for bad blocks |
| 10:14.42 | MohammadAG | it has bad blocks apparently |
| 10:14.47 | ZogG_N900 | haha |
| 10:14.55 | valdyn | MohammadAG: how yould you know that it has bad blocks? |
| 10:14.58 | ZogG_N900 | mkfs.ext2 is better |
| 10:15.07 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk1p1: Duplicate or bad block in use! |
| 10:15.11 | ZogG_N900 | it's flash - no? |
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| 10:15.22 | MohammadAG | Pass 3A: Optimizing directories |
| 10:15.23 | MohammadAG | Failed to optimize directory ??? (11): EXT2 directory corruptedIllegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for in-use block map |
| 10:15.23 | MohammadAG | Illegal block number passed to ext2fs_unmark_block_bitmap #4292274151 for block bitmap for /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 10:15.23 | MohammadAG | Segmentation fault |
| 10:15.24 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:15.27 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 10:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: if you want to recover data, make an IMAGE first, as all tries to fix it can actually play more havoc on it |
| 10:15.42 | valdyn | MohammadAG: that does not mean that the block is bad |
| 10:15.56 | frals | fuckin hell what have you done MohammadAG :D |
| 10:16.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there's something like NFS stale file system or sth |
| 10:16.21 | SpeedEvil | frals: He broke his wookie. |
| 10:16.23 | MohammadAG | Stale NFS file handle |
| 10:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | eeew, know that |
| 10:16.31 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | that's ext3's common way to tell you the file type of an inode is fscked up |
| 10:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | usually fsck.ext3 should fix it |
| 10:17.19 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, is it microsd? |
| 10:17.24 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 10:17.35 | ZogG_N900 | why do u use ext3? |
| 10:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 10:17.48 | ZogG_N900 | it will kill it faster |
| 10:17.49 | MohammadAG | cause I need it? |
| 10:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | who gives a shit? |
| 10:18.03 | ZogG_N900 | do you need journaling |
| 10:18.32 | MohammadAG | /home's still working and it's ext3 afaik :) |
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| 10:18.57 | ZogG_N900 | use ext2 |
| 10:19.04 | MohammadAG | o/ lcuk |
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| 10:19.13 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk, nice vhost |
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| 10:19.36 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, I might look into the qemu stuff and just format the whole partition |
| 10:19.44 | MohammadAG | (ext4 here I come :P) |
| 10:20.00 | ZogG_N900 | are you insane |
| 10:20.48 | MohammadAG | sometimes, yes :P |
| 10:21.11 | ZogG_N900 | use zfs |
| 10:21.32 | ZogG_N900 | anyway there are some fs for flash in linux or ext2 |
| 10:21.52 | Psi | how do i recalibrate my accelerometers, after pr1.2 update one axis is 45deg out |
| 10:22.16 | MohammadAG | isn't that controlled by HW? |
| 10:22.26 | MohammadAG | (or i2c related - whatever that is) |
| 10:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: man fsck.ext3, check -b ck d v option |
| 10:23.34 | MohammadAG | wants progress bars for rm, mv, and cp |
| 10:23.55 | Psi | dunno, just noticed that my bubble level app says its level at 45deg now :( |
| 10:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also I suggest to try and use fsck on a different architecture |
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| 10:24.16 | ZogG_N900 | i want places or dual view in filemanager |
| 10:25.16 | ZogG_N900 | psi check what it uses to get level |
| 10:25.27 | ZogG_N900 | and check if you can reset |
| 10:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: plural?? there's only one afaik |
| 10:25.55 | Psi | app is just called level v1.0 |
| 10:26.05 | Psi | copyright 2009 offscreen technologies |
| 10:26.23 | Psi | also games that use the accel are 45deg out too |
| 10:26.23 | ZogG_N900 | Psi, check the code |
| 10:26.33 | MohammadAG | it's closed source |
| 10:26.48 | SpeedEvil | Psi: reboot |
| 10:26.56 | Psi | tries SpeedEvils idea |
| 10:27.03 | SpeedEvil | Psi: It's been reported that the acellerometer, or its code can get wedged |
| 10:27.06 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: also I suggest to try and use fsck on a different architecture <-- that might be helpful actually |
| 10:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't call that an idea ;-P |
| 10:27.27 | Psi | heh, it quite often fixes problems tho :) |
| 10:27.47 | ZogG_N900 | so does qt nokia sdk is only for c++? |
| 10:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh? |
| 10:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, I always miss the one line of new text, appended to the 700 lines of quote :-/ |
| 10:29.44 | ZogG_N900 | and can i emulate program on it or i still need pr1.2 sdk |
| 10:30.11 | Psi | ok, reboot hasnt fixed issue, still way out |
| 10:30.19 | Psi | looks more like 35deg than 45 |
| 10:32.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | suggests liqacceltest (or similar name) |
| 10:32.17 | SpeedEvil | watch -n 1 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 10:32.35 | SpeedEvil | x/y/z - they should be about in the range +-1000, and change as you move the phone |
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| 10:33.07 | Psi | tries |
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| 10:34.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: brilliant |
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| 10:34.16 | Psi | flat on desk i get -468 -54 -936 |
| 10:34.23 | ZogG_N900 | where is this program. i would check it |
| 10:34.34 | MohammadAG | I hate it when the indexer runs... |
| 10:34.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | first is off by 400 |
| 10:34.41 | ZogG_N900 | psi maybe desk is not straight |
| 10:35.00 | ZogG_N900 | ) |
| 10:35.08 | SpeedEvil | Maybe you have a nearby black hole. |
| 10:35.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG_N900: stop telling nonsense |
| 10:35.14 | Psi | heh, i doubt its 100% level but thats not really important for this test |
| 10:35.21 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/media/mmc1# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
| 10:35.22 | MohammadAG | 0 -18 -1026 |
| 10:35.22 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.27 | SpeedEvil | Do you notice any hard-x-rays, and an acretion disk in your vicinity? |
| 10:35.44 | Psi | checks |
| 10:35.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | Psi: shut down the device completely, remove bat |
| 10:36.32 | Psi | i would switch off the ZPM powering my PC, but then i couldnt tell you if it fixed the issue |
| 10:36.35 | Psi | :P |
| 10:36.42 | Psi | DocScrutinizer51: good idea |
| 10:36.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | tries to recall how to reset the lis302 |
| 10:36.53 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't call that an idea |
| 10:36.55 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:36.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 10:37.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: exactly |
| 10:37.31 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:37.39 | Psi | lol |
| 10:37.54 | Psi | again with the hate on the word 'idea' |
| 10:37.56 | MohammadAG | damn tracker |
| 10:38.00 | Psi | what do you have against it |
| 10:38.01 | Psi | :P |
| 10:38.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | I might come up with another potentially hazardous I2Cset cmd to recalibrate LIS302 :-) |
| 10:38.48 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 10:38.54 | Psi | battery is out |
| 10:38.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's what I call an idea |
| 10:39.09 | ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, it was obiviously joke |
| 10:40.07 | Psi | i find it funny that the n900 runs for longer than my openmoko, especially considering the n900 has a smaller battery and is actually running all that time and not in suspend |
| 10:40.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | a poor joke, as the vector sum is off for our planet |
| 10:41.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | Psi: depends. I've seen 140h standby on FR |
| 10:41.41 | Psi | i only have gta01 |
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| 10:41.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 10:41.52 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:41.59 | pupnik | Psi5 was a fun game |
| 10:42.01 | Psi | imagine how awesome i find the n900 tho :) |
| 10:42.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | that one will never get to decent standby time |
| 10:42.12 | Psi | yeah |
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| 10:42.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | Psi: you updated the modem? |
| 10:43.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | MOKO11? |
| 10:43.55 | Psi | yeah, gsm is latest firmware |
| 10:44.00 | Psi | unless moko11 is really new |
| 10:44.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | cool |
| 10:44.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 10:44.13 | frals | so err |
| 10:44.24 | frals | this translation mumbojumbo, whats the prefered way of shipping translations to your app? |
| 10:44.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask timeless |
| 10:44.45 | frals | i imagine separate packages for each language is not encouraged? |
| 10:45.25 | SpeedEvil | Psi: the CPU in the n900 isn't in some ways 'running' most of the time |
| 10:45.43 | SpeedEvil | Psi: The clock gating and enabling means that most of the time, most of the chip is shut down |
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| 10:45.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | it seems N900 come with even inuktitut for all apps |
| 10:45.57 | ZogG_N900 | i get 36 18 -1040 ) |
| 10:46.18 | ZogG_N900 | psi is this program in extras? |
| 10:46.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG_N900: so YOUR table is not level |
| 10:47.05 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the bias of thelis302dl can be quite bad |
| 10:47.12 | SpeedEvil | I want to know how to properly enable taps |
| 10:47.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | but not 400+ |
| 10:47.38 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:47.38 | ZogG_N900 | DocScrutinizer, it's not but my friend have option in his phone |
| 10:47.46 | Psi | ZogG_N900: the level one, i think it may have been on the ovi store |
| 10:49.11 | ZogG_N900 | there is also angle meter |
| 10:49.22 | n900-dk | there is also levelball |
| 10:49.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: it's all n lis302 ds |
| 10:49.36 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no, it's not |
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| 10:49.49 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: if you bang the phone, you see /proc/interrupts incrementing |
| 10:49.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | enabling taps? sure |
| 10:49.55 | SpeedEvil | so the kernel driver does something |
| 10:49.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 10:50.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | na not ooh |
| 10:50.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite normal |
| 10:50.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | the gmeter is supposed to work in highpass filter mode |
| 10:50.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | so every g change will trigger an IRQ |
| 10:51.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, does a USB extender slow transfer speeds? |
| 10:51.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 10:51.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik |
| 10:52.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: tap and doubletap detection is a lis302 hw function though |
| 10:53.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I know |
| 10:53.43 | Psi | DocScrutinizer51: that fixed it, now its 18 0 -936 |
| 10:53.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D |
| 10:54.01 | Psi | so looks like cure for out of cal accel is hard reset |
| 10:54.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Psi: got severe miscalibration I guess |
| 10:54.28 | Psi | yeah |
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| 10:54.42 | Psi | thanks for ya help |
| 10:54.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 10:55.06 | MohammadAG | it still isn't an idea |
| 10:55.08 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 10:55.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 10:55.19 | Psi | :P |
| 10:55.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a SOP |
| 10:55.34 | MohammadAG | Son Of a Patriot? |
| 10:55.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | standard operation procedure |
| 10:56.14 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:56.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | or starfleet operation protocol |
| 10:56.19 | MohammadAG | running fsck |
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| 10:56.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | eject the warp core !! |
| 10:56.48 | jaska | jettison warp core |
| 10:56.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 10:57.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | k my backtranslation sucks |
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| 11:03.35 | wall[e] | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/TAJF9imdenI/AAAAAAAAAgw/KejtFTM59VU/recaller_64_on.png |
| 11:03.39 | wall[e] | another render |
| 11:03.45 | wall[e] | still don't like it |
| 11:03.51 | wall[e] | give up and go building the theme |
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| 11:08.42 | pupnik | wall[e]: what is that for |
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| 11:10.08 | MohammadAG | Pass 3A: Optimizing directories |
| 11:10.11 | MohammadAG | Pass 4: Checking reference counts |
| 11:10.11 | MohammadAG | Inode 2 ref count is 5, should be 7. Fix<y>? yes |
| 11:10.17 | MohammadAG | it didn't segfault on my PC |
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| 11:10.35 | RST38h_ | miracle. |
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| 11:10.55 | SpeedEvil | segfaulting is a bug, and should be reported as such |
| 11:11.00 | SpeedEvil | It should never segfault |
| 11:11.21 | MohammadAG | Umm, what would the steps to reproduce be |
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| 11:12.31 | nikki93 | What's the best way to get n900 communicating with arduino? |
| 11:13.07 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Filesystem image that causes it to segfault |
| 11:13.21 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I don't have an image... |
| 11:13.23 | SpeedEvil | nikki93: what do you mean by best |
| 11:13.31 | nikki93 | SpeedEvil: low latency communication. |
| 11:13.32 | SpeedEvil | Or e2fsdump |
| 11:13.34 | nikki93 | SpeedEvil: Low data loss |
| 11:13.44 | SpeedEvil | nikki93: Bluetooth serial port |
| 11:14.11 | SpeedEvil | http://www.provantage.com/quatech-ss-blt-100~7QTCK03Y.htm |
| 11:14.14 | SpeedEvil | something like that |
| 11:14.49 | RST38h | Behold the mighty VAX booting VMS, Satan's favorite operating system! |
| 11:14.50 | wall[e] | pupnik: for recaller widget app |
| 11:15.11 | SpeedEvil | Though you want to make sure it's a standard serial port profile, and you can just pair it with the n900 - you only want one of coruse |
| 11:15.12 | wall[e] | pupnik: must split into 2 files and put them over the default icon though |
| 11:15.12 | nikki93 | SpeedEvil: I see. |
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| 11:15.33 | SpeedEvil | That probably isn't suitable |
| 11:15.41 | pupnik | wall[e]: looks like a game to me |
| 11:15.44 | wall[e] | i couldn't stand its default icon, didn't like this one but at least i feel a bit better. |
| 11:16.09 | wall[e] | pupnik: I am working in a game company (again) :D |
| 11:16.20 | SpeedEvil | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A0634762&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335 looks more like it |
| 11:16.32 | wall[e] | my n900 theme i am working on really make it like alien device |
| 11:16.55 | wall[e] | will build another one based on hal-9000 interface |
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| 11:20.14 | sobczyk | I'm trying to lauch ESbox in virtual machine and it always displays empty popup box. I have newest virtualbox (3.2) updated the ubuntu guest (9.10) but this still does not help |
| 11:20.28 | sobczyk | http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1926/vboxmaemosdk.png |
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| 11:23.32 | ZogG_N900 | my bat is low ( |
| 11:24.02 | pupnik | very blank dialog sobczyk. i usually just ssh into the vm |
| 11:24.17 | crashanddie | ZogG_N900: you need to swing just before you think it's too late. |
| 11:24.18 | pupnik | work from the shell |
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| 11:24.40 | crashanddie | ZogG_N900: also always think under the ball -- that is unless there's top spin |
| 11:25.04 | ZogG_N900 | crashanddie, i have usb cabel and laptop here ) |
| 11:25.25 | crashanddie | ZogG_N900: oh sorry, wrong kind of "bat" |
| 11:25.25 | sobczyk | pupnik: but there aren't any buttons, so what's for the dialog |
| 11:25.26 | ZogG_N900 | haha people are already angry at me at forum ) |
| 11:25.49 | crashanddie | wall[e]: what company? |
| 11:26.01 | ZogG_N900 | crashanddie, no. u was talking about the right one |
| 11:26.07 | ZogG_N900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=689452#post689452 |
| 11:26.22 | ZogG_N900 | tmo goes warez ) |
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| 11:27.21 | pupnik | no it doesnt |
| 11:27.36 | sobczyk | I don't get the point of releasing buggy VM for development... |
| 11:27.58 | crashanddie | sobczyk: it's not really buggy |
| 11:28.15 | crashanddie | sobczyk: it's just a test to see if you are a True Coder |
| 11:28.32 | crashanddie | only people worthy of the True Coder clan are allowed to develop for Maemo. |
| 11:29.36 | sobczyk | I can always use python so this isn't true :P |
| 11:29.55 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51, ping |
| 11:31.16 | cure` | i backed upped my phone, reflashed with 1.2+emmc, installed all apps, restored backed up calender and conversation shit, only to find out my phone contacts are gone, didn't export them earlier |
| 11:31.20 | cure` | ./cry :( |
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| 11:32.08 | ZogG_N900 | cure maybe u have them on simcard or old phone? |
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| 11:32.36 | crashanddie | sobczyk: I never said python made you strong enough to be a True Coder. |
| 11:32.38 | cure` | nope, this is my first mobile phone actually |
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| 11:32.46 | cure` | harsh lesson |
| 11:33.06 | crashanddie | your forst mobile is a 500 pound piece of kit? |
| 11:33.10 | crashanddie | how old are you? |
| 11:33.33 | wall[e] | crashanddie: a small thai company, never do large game, just some small java and iphone |
| 11:33.33 | cure` | does it matter? i never felt like getting a mobile phone before :P |
| 11:33.37 | wall[e] | and nds |
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| 11:34.58 | pupnik | wall[e]: you ship me some of that soy sauce in a can in case my gf doesnt |
| 11:35.05 | sobczyk | ok, installing xulrunner 1.8 helped |
| 11:35.20 | wall[e] | pupnik: hehe, don't like fish sauce? |
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| 11:35.46 | pupnik | dunno, it is a thai company. best i ever tried. |
| 11:35.58 | wall[e] | golden mountain? |
| 11:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: pong |
| 11:36.31 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, quick pm? |
| 11:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | go ahead |
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| 11:36.58 | wall[e] | spent 3h/day in kitchen :S |
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| 11:38.28 | pupnik | lost the name wall[e] - ill get back to you |
| 11:39.14 | wall[e] | ok |
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| 11:41.21 | pupnik | owch |
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| 11:44.47 | pupnik | recaller looks good to me. it would fit in chrono trigger future world also. wall[e] |
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| 12:03.46 | martin900 | Hi! Did anyone tried to restore ~./bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml from Backup? |
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| 12:04.59 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
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| 12:27.30 | zalucius | Hi, anyone here? |
| 12:27.38 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 12:27.46 | SpeedEvil | we all died due to exploding n900s. |
| 12:27.51 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: sssh |
| 12:27.57 | zalucius | hehe, ok.. |
| 12:28.13 | zalucius | speaking of exploding n900's... |
| 12:28.17 | tristan | :/ |
| 12:28.18 | asj__ | zalucius: we're all busy watching Eurovision reruns of Belarus |
| 12:28.20 | tristan | exploding n900s? |
| 12:28.32 | SpeedEvil | ponders adding 'n900explode' to the repo. |
| 12:28.32 | pigeon | is still waiting for the new ovi store... :( |
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| 12:28.40 | zalucius | Mine just got bricked :o( cannot flash it.. |
| 12:28.50 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 12:28.51 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:28.59 | SpeedEvil | take the battery out - unplug USB |
| 12:29.01 | tristan | bummer. howd that happen? |
| 12:29.05 | asj__ | zalucius: it's very hard to truely brick an n900 |
| 12:29.10 | SpeedEvil | start flasher - wait till it says 'no such device - waiting' |
| 12:29.15 | SpeedEvil | plug USB in - put battery in |
| 12:29.19 | SpeedEvil | see what happens |
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| 12:29.31 | SpeedEvil | asj: no it's not. |
| 12:29.32 | zalucius | I have tried the flashing command thingy.. but it cant find the device |
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| 12:29.45 | SpeedEvil | asj: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd0 or something |
| 12:29.56 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: cold flash it then |
| 12:30.07 | zalucius | tried to unplug it, pulled out battery and still no response. |
| 12:30.12 | zalucius | cold flash? |
| 12:30.12 | SpeedEvil | asj: that wipes the bootloader. |
| 12:30.22 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: you don't need nolo to flash |
| 12:30.39 | SpeedEvil | zalucius: your battery may be dead. Plug it into the charger for half an hour |
| 12:30.44 | SpeedEvil | asj; yes you do. |
| 12:30.47 | jaska | a finn must have named that bootloader |
| 12:30.52 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: <grin> |
| 12:31.01 | jaska | ive always chuckled at it, even with previous device |
| 12:31.02 | zalucius | battery is almost fully charged. |
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| 12:31.33 | SpeedEvil | asj: the bootloader is as I understand it absolutely required to flash. |
| 12:31.49 | zalucius | so.. cold flashing. is that the flasher with -c as paramter? |
| 12:32.10 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: yes, but you can load nolo through flasher |
| 12:32.11 | SpeedEvil | asj: The only other place that could have flashing information is the ROM on the OMAP chip. and that doesn't know how to setup the USB hardware. |
| 12:32.21 | SpeedEvil | asj: not if nolo is not present. |
| 12:32.41 | zalucius | nolo? im totally new at this |
| 12:33.02 | SpeedEvil | zalucius: Sorry - we're having a tangential conversation that's not directly helpful. |
| 12:33.06 | asj__ | zalucius: yes cold flash is -c |
| 12:33.15 | SpeedEvil | zalucius: Why do you think that the battery is full? |
| 12:33.40 | zalucius | battery was full when I began ... |
| 12:34.10 | zalucius | and its plugged to the USB now, and LED often is Green |
| 12:34.41 | asj__ | zalucius: sounds like the device has booted |
| 12:34.44 | zalucius | the computer can identify the device, but the flasher cannot find it |
| 12:34.52 | SpeedEvil | LED being green means it's booted and is running the OS |
| 12:35.00 | ZogG_N900 | haha. wars at tmo r started |
| 12:35.01 | SpeedEvil | And BME is lighting the light green. |
| 12:35.14 | SpeedEvil | There is - as I understand it - no other way it will be green. |
| 12:35.22 | asj__ | zalucius: unplug it, remove the battery for at least 10 seconds, then follow the instructions |
| 12:35.32 | zalucius | ok. brb.. :o) |
| 12:35.46 | asj__ | zalucius: even I agree with SpeedEvil ;) |
| 12:35.54 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, battery 100 would do it? |
| 12:36.01 | SpeedEvil | ZogG_N900: no. |
| 12:36.13 | SpeedEvil | ZogG_N900: BME - in concert with MCE turns the light green. |
| 12:36.17 | ZogG_N900 | but it's more clever to do with bme |
| 12:36.37 | SpeedEvil | ZogG_N900: There is no lower-level stuff that will make the light green. (in the default install. |
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| 12:37.05 | shikamaru | hello |
| 12:37.06 | SpeedEvil | So green means it's booted linux - though may be in the act_dead state where it looks off. |
| 12:37.23 | zalucius | ahh, now something new is happening... looks like it works.. yay! |
| 12:37.26 | SpeedEvil | asj: what would enable it to be flashed if nolo wasn't present? |
| 12:37.50 | shikamaru | does someone here use ukeyboard ? |
| 12:37.53 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: the omap has some usb access on cold powerup I understand it |
| 12:38.00 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, i dunno. i think you are right. but you can do it other way too |
| 12:38.06 | shikamaru | thereâs something I donât figure out |
| 12:38.27 | SpeedEvil | asj: but it is not using the twl4030 USB phy. It needs to know how to setup the 1707 - and it can't. |
| 12:38.42 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, do you mean full battery green? |
| 12:38.47 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: yes |
| 12:38.54 | shikamaru | I canât get the dvorak layout on the onscreen keyboard |
| 12:39.12 | shikamaru | though the layout is set for the integrated keyboard |
| 12:39.18 | zalucius | so... now the flasher says "CMT flashed succesfully", do I load the eMMC now? |
| 12:39.28 | shikamaru | do IÂ have to change my language to have it available ? |
| 12:39.42 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: there is nothing in the low-level hardware that makes the LED go green. It can only be controlled by software. There is no kernel driver that makes it green. It is only BME telling MCE to make it green - well - to show the 'charged' LED pattern - that makes it green. |
| 12:39.43 | shikamaru | (to en_GB that is) |
| 12:40.03 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, and blue? |
| 12:40.17 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: so unless you've been screwing with it - any other colour than yellow - means linux is booted. |
| 12:40.17 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, as the led pattern app |
| 12:40.22 | SpeedEvil | And maybe red. |
| 12:40.36 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember some error conditions can cause red. |
| 12:40.47 | ZogG_N900 | i saw red once |
| 12:40.56 | ZogG_N900 | for less than sec |
| 12:41.03 | ZogG_N900 | when taking usb out |
| 12:41.15 | SpeedEvil | I think it means 'charger voltage out of spec' |
| 12:41.33 | ZogG_N900 | but still u can make script changing led to colour right? |
| 12:41.36 | asj__ | SpeedEvil: <shrug> dunno I'm tired and it's bed time |
| 12:41.59 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:42.00 | ZogG_N900 | turning it on i mean |
| 12:42.29 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Once it's booted the kernel - then any scripts or whatever that the kernel runs can do whatever they want to the LED. |
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| 12:42.40 | ZogG_N900 | so u can grep battery in lshal right? |
| 12:43.25 | ZogG_N900 | u can make if 100 than red colour |
| 12:43.28 | ZogG_N900 | e.g. |
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| 12:43.55 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, but u r right that it's better to use bme |
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| 12:44.39 | ZogG_N900 | is anyone here using qt sdk or maemo sdk? |
| 12:44.40 | SpeedEvil | BME will interfere in setting LED colours if you don't kill it |
| 12:44.49 | SpeedEvil | it will automatically reset them quite often |
| 12:45.00 | SpeedEvil | It's not hard to setup custom patterns and use them with BME |
| 12:45.19 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, i don't see need and don't think it's safety to play with it |
| 12:45.20 | asj__ | ZogG_N900: qt yes |
| 12:45.36 | ZogG_N900 | asj__, have few questions |
| 12:45.45 | asj__ | ZogG_N900: be quick |
| 12:45.53 | SpeedEvil | ZogG_N900: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/led-pattern-editor/0.0.3-1/ then |
| 12:45.55 | ZogG_N900 | asj__, is it only for c++ ? |
| 12:46.15 | asj__ | ZogG_N900: I beleive there is PyQt, but I only do c++ |
| 12:46.28 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, as i said i don't need it and think it's unsafety |
| 12:46.54 | ZogG_N900 | asj__, and do we have maemo emulator or it's only in maemo sdk? |
| 12:47.22 | ZogG_N900 | i just can't get it on 64bit so have only qt sdk |
| 12:47.40 | asj__ | ZogG_N900: can't answer that one |
| 12:47.48 | ZogG_N900 | have several ideas for simple apps. the best way to learn little bit ) |
| 12:47.55 | zalucius | oh joy! its alive again :o) Thanks alot for the help. |
| 12:48.17 | ZogG_N900 | zalucius, alive linux system is boring |
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| 12:48.57 | zalucius | ZogG_N900, I prefer my system to be alive :o) |
| 12:48.59 | shikamaru | hmm seems like rebooting the phone in english does not change the on-screen keyboard |
| 12:49.04 | shikamaru | wonders why :9 |
| 12:49.05 | shikamaru | :/ |
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| 12:50.01 | ZogG_N900 | shikamaru, u have options in settings? |
| 12:50.13 | shikamaru | found it ! |
| 12:50.29 | shikamaru | actually itâs not the language of the phone you have to change ! |
| 12:50.39 | shikamaru | but the language of the dictionary |
| 12:51.03 | shikamaru | thereâs a English USA (dvorak) |
| 12:51.06 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: how is stopping BME safer? |
| 12:51.28 | shikamaru | once you choose it, the on-screen keyboard changes too in ukeyboard |
| 12:51.30 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, why would i stop it? |
| 12:51.57 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, as i said i don't to touch it (kill change or whatever) |
| 12:52.39 | ZogG_N900 | shikamaru, there are several options |
| 12:53.02 | ZogG_N900 | hw keyboard. 2 virtual. 2 dictionary for them |
| 12:53.41 | SpeedEvil | If you don't stop it - BME will interrrupt your setting of the LEDs at random times |
| 12:54.15 | shikamaru | I see, sorry for the noise then |
| 12:54.58 | ZogG_N900 | i don't really care about colours untill they are not pink |
| 12:55.07 | ZogG_N900 | shikamaru, it's okay to ask question |
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| 12:55.26 | shikamaru | :) |
| 12:55.51 | ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, how does fmms do the led if it does btw? |
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| 12:56.19 | SpeedEvil | through BME as I understand it |
| 12:57.06 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 12:57.11 | SpeedEvil | MCE, not BME |
| 12:57.17 | SpeedEvil | for the last several lines |
| 12:57.50 | ZogG_N900 | so u send to mce to send to bme? |
| 12:58.05 | SpeedEvil | no - BME has nothing to do with the LEDs |
| 12:58.10 | ZogG_N900 | btw what is mce stand for. as i know only what is bme |
| 12:58.19 | SpeedEvil | other than it uses mce to show various notifications to the uer |
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| 12:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Unsure |
| 12:58.44 | ZogG_N900 | oh. so u meant mce all the last times |
| 12:58.45 | frals | fmms activates the led via hildonsvnotificationdaemon |
| 12:58.55 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: yes - sorry |
| 12:59.21 | Dassu | no sorries will cure the disease of the fallen! |
| 12:59.23 | ZogG_N900 | what does mce stand for. |
| 12:59.44 | MohammadAG | Mode Control Entry I think |
| 12:59.52 | ZogG_N900 | dassu u mistyped ur nickname |
| 13:00.09 | frals | ZogG_N900: http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/wappushhandler.py#line115 |
| 13:00.21 | ZogG_N900 | ~mce |
| 13:00.22 | infobot | MCE = Machine Check Exception |
| 13:00.55 | MohammadAG | >.< |
| 13:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | mce = mode control entity (though it think of it as machine control entity) |
| 13:01.16 | lcuk | morning maemo \o |
| 13:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | lo lcuk |
| 13:01.38 | ZogG_N900 | noon* ) |
| 13:02.01 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk, are u from australia or china? |
| 13:02.04 | ZogG_N900 | ) |
| 13:02.22 | lcuk | neither, its just morning in irc |
| 13:02.36 | lcuk | has been packing for holiday |
| 13:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N900: bme sends a dbus cmd to mce, to light up yellow flashing, or green (or red) indicator LED |
| 13:02.44 | frals | mornin lcuk o/ |
| 13:02.51 | ZogG_N900 | oh |
| 13:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | see wiki "LED patterns" |
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| 13:03.26 | ZogG_N900 | frals, so u didn't answer about connection. do hovac mode erase connection at all? |
| 13:03.39 | frals | i did answer ;) |
| 13:03.44 | MohammadAG | mornin lcuk |
| 13:03.49 | frals | havoc mode hides the mms connection from the ui |
| 13:04.01 | lcuk | THIS IS HAVOK! |
| 13:04.09 | lcuk | errr SPARTA |
| 13:04.11 | frals | and if you have somehow managed to get fmms to use your normal connection as a source of the settings its going to hide that connection ;) |
| 13:04.14 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Is there a hardware red - I vaguely recall it |
| 13:04.17 | ZogG_N900 | frals, what about not mms. the regular 3G? |
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| 13:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:04.26 | slonopotamus | lcuk: :D |
| 13:04.30 | frals | lcuk: broke 10k downloads in a day \o/ |
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| 13:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | only hardwired indicator is yellow/amber |
| 13:04.59 | ZogG_N900 | frals, doesn't it create new apn for mms? |
| 13:05.11 | lcuk | yeah frals i saw :D congrationaltions |
| 13:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | for emergency recover charging |
| 13:05.17 | MohammadAG | it does |
| 13:05.18 | frals | ZogG_N900: it does, unless you've had a really old version of fmms installed |
| 13:05.24 | MohammadAG | he deserves a trout |
| 13:05.27 | MohammadAG | ~trout frals |
| 13:05.28 | infobot | ACTION slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! |
| 13:05.33 | frals | ~whale MohammadAG |
| 13:05.35 | frals | :( |
| 13:05.36 | ZogG_N900 | frals, new from extras. |
| 13:05.44 | MohammadAG | haha |
| 13:05.47 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:05.53 | frals | ZogG_N900: and you never had fmms installed before? |
| 13:06.04 | ZogG_N900 | frals, had. never used |
| 13:06.42 | ZogG_N900 | frals, anyway i don't care to delete it |
| 13:06.59 | ZogG_N900 | i mean for reset) |
| 13:07.09 | ZogG_N900 | to delete and install again |
| 13:07.22 | ZogG_N900 | it sounds bad as i see it now ))) |
| 13:08.08 | ZogG_N900 | frals, is there any data on /home or / that is kept even after uninstall? |
| 13:08.16 | frals | do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and reinstall |
| 13:08.25 | ZogG_N900 | wanna try fresh installation |
| 13:08.29 | frals | all messages are kept in /home/user/.fmms/ |
| 13:08.44 | frals | but the gconf line removes all settings |
| 13:09.36 | ZogG_N900 | and the problem is prob in settings and not .fmms folder? |
| 13:09.47 | frals | yes |
| 13:10.09 | ZogG_N900 | okay. lemme check. thanks |
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| 13:11.03 | ZogG_N900 | frals, had 1.1.1 now |
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| 13:13.47 | ZogG_N900 | frals, what is sharing-fmms? |
| 13:13.57 | frals | share via service plugin |
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| 13:17.20 | ZogG_N900 | frals, now i turned while was on 3G. and turned it on. now current connection is mms(disconnect mms) and there is internet 3G as well ) |
| 13:17.46 | jacekowski | WTF |
| 13:17.55 | jacekowski | i just disconnected my phone from charger |
| 13:18.08 | jacekowski | and i have one bar left |
| 13:18.25 | ZogG_N900 | jacekowski, and it's still charging |
| 13:18.29 | ZogG_N900 | tesla ghost |
| 13:18.47 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, the "WTF" part made me think you lost the port... |
| 13:19.04 | jacekowski | i connected it back |
| 13:19.08 | jacekowski | and it's charging again |
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| 13:19.29 | wall[e] | pupnik: I guess I just can't stand its color |
| 13:19.33 | wall[e] | (recaller) |
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| 13:20.45 | jacekowski | is there a warranty on battery? |
| 13:20.52 | jacekowski | and how long is it? |
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| 13:23.35 | BCMM | Mobile HotSpot works really well |
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| 13:23.48 | BCMM | reception is weird in this room though |
| 13:24.01 | ZogG_N900 | frals, ok. works fine |
| 13:24.05 | ZogG_N900 | thnx |
| 13:24.09 | BCMM | within the same 20cm^3 space, i will get either 2G, 3G, or 3.5 |
| 13:24.10 | frals | np :) |
| 13:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you are sure it charged before when on USB? |
| 13:24.42 | jacekowski | well, i had green light |
| 13:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski:oh |
| 13:24.51 | ZogG_N900 | btw does fmms supports video? |
| 13:25.40 | jacekowski | and it seems to have problem with my wifi |
| 13:25.43 | jacekowski | since upgrade |
| 13:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: now that's actually bad. Either your battery cell is EOL, or BME gone haywire |
| 13:25.57 | ZogG_N900 | BCMM, wierd. i have sometimes 3G to 3.5G |
| 13:26.09 | ZogG_N900 | but not 2G to 3.5G |
| 13:26.21 | jacekowski | by problem i mean it detects one maybe 2 networks |
| 13:26.43 | jacekowski | but hmm |
| 13:26.54 | jacekowski | that might be because i changed it to G only at the same time |
| 13:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: 3G<->3.5 is absolutely normal, as it shows 3.5 only when data is transferred (and some time after) |
| 13:27.18 | BCMM | ah |
| 13:27.22 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: a battery life thing? |
| 13:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: eeh |
| 13:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 13:27.38 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: also, this is true even when transfering data, and seems to be dependant on the angle of the phone... |
| 13:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, my comment about battery was a reply to jacekowski "well, i had green light" |
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| 13:29.43 | lcuk | BCMM, sure orientation could effect signal |
| 13:30.02 | lcuk | just like if you have your back turned to someone you may not know they are waving frantically at you |
| 13:31.13 | BCMM | to avoid the endless trial and error, any idea which end of the device ought to point towards teh mast? |
| 13:31.47 | lcuk | i dunno BCMM |
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| 13:32.04 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.08 | jacekowski | that's od |
| 13:32.27 | jacekowski | ok |
| 13:32.43 | jacekowski | battery "charged" in 14 minutes |
| 13:33.36 | jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=149&g2_serialNumber=1 |
| 13:34.20 | BCMM | is there synergy for maemo yet? |
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| 13:36.23 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 13:36.28 | jacekowski | i've restarted my phone |
| 13:36.40 | jacekowski | and it's charged |
| 13:36.52 | lcuk | hmmm slashdot, New Ebola Drug 100 Percent Effective In Monkeys. giving monkeys ebola would be 100% effective! |
| 13:37.16 | lcuk | jacekowski, what was the last burst that flattened it |
| 13:37.42 | jacekowski | i mean it's charged |
| 13:37.55 | jacekowski | and phone is reporting almost 1200mAh charge |
| 13:37.58 | jacekowski | instead of 0 |
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| 13:39.07 | lcuk | planetary alignment? |
| 13:39.09 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: you can use x2x |
| 13:39.26 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: but I always had trouble getting a consistent visible mouse pointer |
| 13:39.34 | Shapeshifter | it would randomly disappear, or not disappear when I wanted it to |
| 13:39.48 | BCMM | no to bothered about that, mainly just want to use my computer's keyboard |
| 13:39.52 | BCMM | (and it be snappier than vnc) |
| 13:40.03 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: that is possible without trouble. |
| 13:40.35 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: only thing is that the screen still dims when you don't use the n900 keyboard or touchscreen, so you need to script it that it doesn't dim anymore |
| 13:40.57 | BCMM | i already have the screen stay lit when charging anyway |
| 13:41.04 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, theres a setting to keep display lit whilst charging :) |
| 13:41.18 | lcuk | or qwertys simple backlight doofer also has a lock backlight option |
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| 13:44.23 | lcuk | hey noidea` |
| 13:44.26 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, even |
| 13:44.31 | lcuk | sorry noidea` i had noidea` |
| 13:44.39 | noobmonk3y | w000p w000p |
| 13:44.45 | noobmonk3y | ready for your hols? |
| 13:44.50 | lcuk | sure |
| 13:44.59 | lcuk | and my python marathon yesterday worked :) |
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| 13:45.52 | lcuk | i managed to use it to scan all my mails, grab the information i needed, collate it and tie it up and generate a (rather ugly but functional) report of state of play with certain things |
| 13:45.53 | noobmonk3y | oooo?!?! |
| 13:45.59 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
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| 13:47.03 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, it would be what i would normally use vb for |
| 13:47.21 | noobmonk3y | ahhhhh :P - while the rest of us get a secretary to do it ;) |
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| 13:47.36 | lcuk | well i tried that, i sent spec for what was needed a while ago ;) |
| 13:47.54 | noobmonk3y | lol ... cindy crawford not wanting to help? |
| 13:48.35 | lcuk | there was a fistfight at the door between her and tracy :( |
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| 13:48.54 | lcuk | thankfully i recorded it and managed to steer them towards the handy mudpool |
| 13:49.11 | noobmonk3y | wow healthcheck had 3k dloads this weekend - random! |
| 13:49.20 | noobmonk3y | hahaha! |
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| 13:58.49 | FIQ | hi |
| 13:59.00 | FIQ | dejavu sans mono says it's already installed |
| 13:59.07 | FIQ | but i'm unable to choose it |
| 13:59.17 | FIQ | s/mono// |
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| 13:59.27 | noobmonk3y | lcuk - need your brains :) |
| 13:59.48 | mazer_ | you'd still complain. |
| 14:00.08 | noobmonk3y | /proc/net/dev - i'm assuming networky things are in there? - is there a specific folder / file for wireless / 3g data etc? |
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| 14:00.40 | lcuk | use the source noobmonk3y |
| 14:00.42 | mazer_ | just the configured interfaces. |
| 14:00.49 | noobmonk3y | use the source?! lol! |
| 14:00.49 | lcuk | theres desktop widgets which read specific bits |
| 14:00.57 | noobmonk3y | oh lol! |
| 14:01.04 | mazer_ | noobmonk3y: cat /proc/net/dev |
| 14:01.19 | noobmonk3y | lol mazer i'm putty'd into it having a butchers |
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| 14:02.15 | mazer_ | I don't want to understand what that means |
| 14:02.24 | FIQ | nvm |
| 14:02.45 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 14:02.48 | noobmonk3y | butchers = look at |
| 14:03.05 | lcuk | he said he doesnt want to |
| 14:03.06 | noobmonk3y | gotta love the english langiage :P |
| 14:03.08 | noobmonk3y | language* |
| 14:03.13 | lcuk | the knowledge might actually push something useful out |
| 14:03.23 | frals | throws a whale at noobmonk3y and runs off |
| 14:03.32 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 14:03.42 | noobmonk3y | pets the whale, puts it in a fish bowl and calls it frank |
| 14:03.52 | mazer_ | iphone user? |
| 14:03.59 | noobmonk3y | who?! lol |
| 14:04.14 | lcuk | damnmmmmmm my mail scanner is a bit self referential, sending a mail with the results of the scan in it effects the results of the next run o_O |
| 14:04.41 | frals | lol |
| 14:05.05 | mazer_ | lcuk: try else. |
| 14:05.14 | noobmonk3y | lol |
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| 14:06.00 | mazer_ | or try except else finally, instead of while, or whatever you're doing. |
| 14:06.04 | lcuk | mazer_, its not an else condition, its scanning all my mails for certain things, but then when i tell people about what those certain things are .. |
| 14:06.17 | BCMM | how does one get teh keyboard mapping right when using x2x? |
| 14:06.17 | lcuk | ill have to put a safeword in the report |
| 14:06.25 | mazer_ | ah. |
| 14:06.30 | BCMM | i'm finding that 2 types w and so on |
| 14:06.57 | frals | lcuk: you are taking reading pron-spam to new heights |
| 14:07.00 | BCMM | also, how are you supposed to connect to the n900's X server? i'm forwarding the connection with ssh |
| 14:07.06 | fdv | hi. I fscked up an upgrade and more or less bricked my n900. There's no way to get terminal access to the bootloader or something through USB, is there? |
| 14:07.14 | lcuk | frals, surprisingly my mail account is very clean |
| 14:07.24 | mazer_ | fdv: it's trivial to flash this device. |
| 14:07.26 | frals | :( |
| 14:07.28 | lcuk | only used for work related stuff and not one iota of spam anywhere |
| 14:07.33 | lcuk | :) |
| 14:07.38 | fdv | mazer_: but then I'll loose contacts etc, right? |
| 14:07.50 | mazer_ | fdv: not as far as I know |
| 14:07.53 | lcuk | BACKUP, reflash, RESTORE |
| 14:07.56 | fdv | oh |
| 14:08.04 | mazer_ | lcuk: he cannot backup/restore. |
| 14:08.17 | lcuk | on device backup stores data on the eMMC which is same place as all your photos etc |
| 14:08.24 | fdv | lcuk, mazer_: I've copied everything I could |
| 14:08.33 | lcuk | well the upgrade DOES say in big bold letters |
| 14:08.37 | lcuk | back yo stuff up |
| 14:08.47 | lcuk | it even opens the backup app |
| 14:08.49 | mazer_ | fdv: then go and flash it; preferrably with pr1.2 |
| 14:09.07 | mazer_ | bbiaw |
| 14:09.22 | fdv | lcuk: for one thing, I've been unable to use the GUI upgrading thingie for a long time, I've been using apt. secondly, I'm just asking what's possible :) |
| 14:09.45 | fdv | mazer_: thanks |
| 14:09.52 | lcuk | fdv sure, but backing up before an upgrade is the most logical thing |
| 14:10.10 | lcuk | the gui tool for doing it is painless :) |
| 14:10.23 | fdv | lcuk: depends what, I guess, and it doesn't really matter *now* what would have been sensible ;) |
| 14:10.56 | lcuk | sure, spilt milk cant go on cornflakes |
| 14:11.22 | Termana | lcuk, it can if you spill it ON the cornflakes |
| 14:11.32 | Termana | hasn't followed the conversation :P |
| 14:12.11 | fdv | lcuk: I can't quite recall exactly how, but after adding some repos or installing some packages through apt or whatever, I couldn't use the GUI updater-thingie anymore |
| 14:12.32 | fdv | I can't say I've gone out of my way to be on the safe side either, unfortunately :) |
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| 14:16.45 | pupnik | throw cornflakes on floor and grind into milk |
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| 14:19.47 | lcuk | pupnik, novel |
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| 14:51.22 | petteri | does anyone know if there are other nokia phones with jabber voice/video support than n900? |
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| 14:53.15 | MohammadAG | Well all symbian phones should support Jabber |
| 14:53.20 | MohammadAG | using Nimbuzz |
| 14:53.26 | MohammadAG | afaik |
| 14:55.01 | petteri | thanks. I will do some research about this nimbuzz |
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| 15:04.09 | joppu | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=689898&postcount=76 jesus christ, what's up with these people? |
| 15:05.22 | madduck | is there aptitude for maemo? |
| 15:05.42 | madduck | hm, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/aptitude/ |
| 15:05.47 | MohammadAG | he's been complaining/flaming a lot recently |
| 15:05.58 | madduck | not in any repo apparently. :( |
| 15:06.21 | joppu | I'd better stop arguing with him in that case :) |
| 15:06.22 | MohammadAG | and it's not compiled for armel |
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| 15:06.55 | MohammadAG | joppu, I've stopped arguing, if someone disagrees let him, I don't give a crap and he shuts up :) |
| 15:08.33 | pupnik | joppu: dont feed ze trools |
| 15:09.32 | jacekowski | why some people want flash 10? |
| 15:09.42 | jacekowski | what's in flash 10? |
| 15:10.05 | petteri | it has hardware acceleration |
| 15:10.26 | petteri | videos and stuff should work much faster |
| 15:11.06 | ShadowJK | Although adobe announced there would be no hw accel in linux version |
| 15:11.15 | ShadowJK | presumably that includes maemo/meego |
| 15:11.26 | joppu | lol android |
| 15:11.38 | joppu | (it's not really linux) |
| 15:11.48 | petteri | ShadowJK: i though linux alraedy has? |
| 15:12.03 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:12.16 | jacekowski | linux hardware acceleration is very limited |
| 15:12.39 | MohammadAG | <joppu> lol android |
| 15:12.45 | MohammadAG | android doesn't have HW accel. |
| 15:13.00 | MohammadAG | even with the flash 10 beta |
| 15:13.17 | ShadowJK | well it does use hw for fullscreen scaling on linux |
| 15:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ping |
| 15:13.35 | ShadowJK | but I don't think it uses any hw decode accel for video |
| 15:13.51 | jacekowski | not really |
| 15:13.58 | jacekowski | that hw accel is disabled in most cases |
| 15:14.16 | jacekowski | anything else using 3d hardware ( compositing ) will make flash disable hw accel |
| 15:14.50 | joppu | ...Consumers can try the prerelease of Flash Player 10.1 to preview hardware acceleration of video on supported Windows PCs, x86-based netbooks, and Android 2.2 supported device... |
| 15:14.50 | ShadowJK | well my computer would not have the power to do it in software, so :) |
| 15:14.59 | joppu | http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
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| 15:15.52 | jacekowski | well, i don't have flash at all |
| 15:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: hard to develop a general plugin with hw decoder, if you don't have a standard abi to access the DSP |
| 15:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: windows has what? some foocarpbar10 |
| 15:16.53 | ShadowJK | there's more than one standard abi :D |
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| 15:17.06 | timeless | looks for a helpful soul |
| 15:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | don't see this panning out with gles |
| 15:17.10 | jacekowski | well, it's not a standard then |
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| 15:17.44 | timeless | windows has directx |
| 15:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's it directcrap10 |
| 15:18.03 | timeless | which while not quite direct access to a dsp isn't entirely useless either |
| 15:18.34 | timeless | crosses docs off the helpful candidates list |
| 15:18.38 | timeless | looks for a helpful soul |
| 15:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but we don't have anything similar on N900 DSP |
| 15:18.57 | ShadowJK | there was vaapi which was comittee-designed and generally useless, then nvidia released their drivers using vdpau api, at which point intel hired someone to make drivers for, iirc, poulsbo for vaapi.. and then ati came out with their own (does it even do anything yet?), and now vaapi is gaining wrappers around everything else |
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| 15:19.09 | ShadowJK | gles is useless for video |
| 15:19.12 | Mace_N900 | oh hell yeah |
| 15:19.18 | Mace_N900 | settlers ii clone |
| 15:19.23 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 15:19.36 | Mace_N900 | i have to try that out |
| 15:19.42 | pupnik | how finished is it |
| 15:19.46 | Mace_N900 | sure would love starcraft |
| 15:19.49 | ShadowJK | Well, gstreamer on n900... and I think the n900 codecs use openmax api? |
| 15:20.02 | Mace_N900 | pupnik, i am installing it now |
| 15:20.25 | Mace_N900 | i will see in a bit but am installing over 3g so might take a while |
| 15:20.52 | timeless | shadowjk: will you be my helpful soul? |
| 15:21.01 | Mace_N900 | command and conquer would be even better than starcraft |
| 15:21.16 | timeless | wasn't c&c dos based? |
| 15:21.25 | timeless | it should probably work in dosemu |
| 15:21.30 | ShadowJK | timeless, you always ask that type of questions without first giving any hints as to what it's about... but sure |
| 15:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, that's why I didn't answer |
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| 15:22.20 | joppu | but N900 DSP supports h.264 and Flash 10.1 uses h.264 so only problem would be the implemention, right? |
| 15:22.31 | timeless | wrong |
| 15:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | and of course just because I got no soul, so how could I be a helping one |
| 15:22.41 | timeless | h264 is not monolythic |
| 15:22.50 | timeless | it's profiled or stepped |
| 15:23.13 | timeless | the dsp supports a useless baseline profile |
| 15:23.19 | timeless | which no one uses |
| 15:23.30 | joppu | really? |
| 15:23.38 | timeless | roughly |
| 15:23.55 | ShadowJK | joppu: well, flash wants the video back into cpu, in rgb form. I dont know the capabilities of the codec, but right now (unless the people who write it were braindead) it basically decodes straight to a yuv buffer and the dss thingy converts and scales in hw |
| 15:23.56 | joppu | yeah, I know bout the profiles and all but that N900 oly supports baseline... |
| 15:24.10 | timeless | needless to say the flash team wasn't impressed by the dsp delivery |
| 15:24.24 | timeless | they weere promised "h264" |
| 15:24.31 | ShadowJK | Youtube uses h264 baseline (encoded by x264) for 360p and 480p |
| 15:24.34 | timeless | and got something useless |
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| 15:25.37 | timeless | plus iirc it wasn't the greatest of deliverables |
| 15:25.58 | ShadowJK | Luckily though h26rr streams actually have signaling that says what profile they are, so one could switch to software decode instead of hw |
| 15:26.14 | timeless | chuckles |
| 15:26.41 | timeless | i'm currently watching a product where switching from hardware to software is fatal |
| 15:26.56 | ShadowJK | not that you can do much more than 512x384 in software reliably... and less than that with flash bloat on top |
| 15:27.18 | timeless | i'm not saying i'm a fan of flash |
| 15:27.29 | timeless | but they do a lot with what they're given |
| 15:27.37 | timeless | which is often junk at best |
| 15:27.37 | joppu | so I heard WebM quality/efficiency is somewhere between DIVX/h.264 |
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| 15:28.01 | timeless | is that a problem? |
| 15:28.26 | fdv | ehm.. can anybody tell me which is the FISCO image for n900 (is it the "Latest Maemo 5 Global release" (unless you're in other places)), and do I understand it correctly that the "Vanilla version of the eMMC content" should be unnecessary? |
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| 15:28.41 | joppu | it's actually pretty good for "open source" project |
| 15:28.43 | pupnik | joppu comparisons i have seen based on filesize put it on par with h.264 |
| 15:28.51 | ShadowJK | joppu: well no, visually it's somewhere between divx and h264, at given rate. Computationally heavier than h264 |
| 15:29.01 | timeless | fdv: there are two unrelated pieces |
| 15:29.09 | timeless | the rootfs and the eMMC |
| 15:29.15 | timeless | but come w/ variants |
| 15:29.25 | timeless | s/but/both/ |
| 15:29.38 | fdv | :) |
| 15:29.42 | timeless | walks up stairs |
| 15:29.51 | Ikarus | ShadowJK: it's above both if you actually want dark colours to look right.... |
| 15:29.53 | fdv | timeless: what is the eMMC actually anyway? |
| 15:29.56 | timeless | (w/ a coat over an arm...) |
| 15:30.03 | fdv | (or anybody else) |
| 15:30.15 | fdv | or, what's on it? |
| 15:30.15 | Trizt | timeless; did you get hold of someone with pr1.1.1 to test your English localization? |
| 15:30.17 | timeless | fdv: a bigger slower piece of mass storage |
| 15:30.25 | timeless | trizt: nope |
| 15:30.31 | timeless | still hoping |
| 15:30.49 | fdv | timeless: but the root fs contains all that's needed to boot up, right? |
| 15:31.04 | timeless | fdv: clasically the os lived on rootfs |
| 15:31.31 | fdv | the eMMC is mostly the MyDocs vfat partition, then? |
| 15:31.55 | timeless | w/ 1.2 the os moves part of itself to the emmc during first boot |
| 15:32.01 | lcuk | fdv, yes technically, but there is a 2gb extension /opt area which the OS now stretches into giving more free space on the rootfs |
| 15:32.22 | fdv | lcuk: I think that might have been what I hosed trying to upgrade |
| 15:32.25 | lcuk | and that free space combined with the /opt partition allows oodles of apps to be installed |
| 15:32.32 | lcuk | possible |
| 15:33.02 | fdv | should I technically be able to just flash the rootfs and get things back up? |
| 15:33.03 | timeless_mbp | fdv: so, it's important to understand that your question isn't "simple" :) |
| 15:33.19 | fdv | timeless_mbp: alas, few are :) |
| 15:33.29 | joppu | fdv: worked for me |
| 15:33.53 | pupnik | which / subdirs are now magically extended lcuk? what do i search to learn about that trick? |
| 15:34.04 | lcuk | fdv, sure, on first boot, the OS does what it can to clean the /opt area only and get it ready. then you can just restore the backup you took before starting and be back where you wanted to be |
| 15:34.20 | fdv | or should have taken :) |
| 15:34.22 | lcuk | pupnik, |
| 15:34.31 | lcuk | rootfs flash image contains an /opt folder |
| 15:34.33 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime |
| 15:34.41 | lcuk | on first boot, the first boot script runs ... |
| 15:34.49 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/30/exopc-slate-hands-on/ |
| 15:34.50 | lcuk | which will first check and clear /home/opt |
| 15:34.51 | wazd | kick-ass |
| 15:34.57 | lcuk | then copy the contents of the rootfs /opt |
| 15:35.17 | lcuk | and then delete rootfs /top and make a hardlink |
| 15:35.43 | lcuk | thereby allowing the system components on the flashed image a way to be optified |
| 15:35.58 | pupnik | lcuk: my /home still has an opt dir |
| 15:35.59 | lcuk | so, expect each maemo update to actually consume less of rootfs |
| 15:36.17 | lcuk | pupnik, it should have |
| 15:36.32 | lcuk | ^ rootfs /opt |
| 15:36.39 | pupnik | /home/opt 2064208 1364660 594692 70% /opt |
| 15:36.45 | pupnik | that right? |
| 15:37.28 | lcuk | why wouldnt it be? |
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| 15:38.01 | Trizt | thinking about repartition his phone, more to /home and less for ~/MyDocs |
| 15:38.08 | pupnik | http://paste.debian.net/75468/ |
| 15:38.16 | FIQ | hi |
| 15:38.24 | FIQ | how to turn off autorepeat? |
| 15:38.26 | FIQ | eh |
| 15:38.29 | pupnik | because i just upgraded to 1.2 with apt-get :) |
| 15:38.30 | FIQ | turn on* |
| 15:38.37 | FIQ | in pr1.2 |
| 15:38.44 | lcuk | pupnik, apt-get still has to go through the same installations |
| 15:38.49 | FIQ | when that's replaced by "goto fn key" |
| 15:38.50 | pupnik | wow, holding a key gives the symbol! |
| 15:38.52 | lcuk | if everything is fine and you booted then cool |
| 15:39.03 | FIQ | yeah, i hate it |
| 15:39.13 | lcuk | likes it now |
| 15:39.22 | FIQ | @ pupnik |
| 15:39.27 | jaska | i just dont like it happening with space -> @ |
| 15:39.42 | FIQ | how to turn off the damn thing |
| 15:39.46 | pupnik | fiq lets find out |
| 15:40.08 | Ikarus | `hmz |
| 15:40.32 | lcuk | FIQ, theres a gconf setting |
| 15:40.36 | lcuk | lemme find it.. |
| 15:40.55 | FIQ | ty :D |
| 15:41.58 | pupnik | browser is still broken, not accepting text input into input fields |
| 15:42.06 | pupnik | that has been a persistent bug |
| 15:42.19 | MohammadAG | .. that's never happened to me |
| 15:42.29 | MohammadAG | lcuk, start backspacing :P |
| 15:42.33 | lcuk | fiq pupnik https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421#c26 |
| 15:42.33 | FIQ | <pupnik> browser is still broken, not accepting text input into input fields |
| 15:42.34 | povbot` | Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number |
| 15:42.38 | FIQ | that happens sometimes |
| 15:42.44 | lcuk | MohammadAG, ? |
| 15:42.45 | FIQ | ty lcuk |
| 15:42.49 | lcuk | backspacing? |
| 15:43.03 | MohammadAG | expected a you're special thingy |
| 15:43.18 | pupnik | nice lcuk ty |
| 15:43.19 | lcuk | i can never be as special as you |
| 15:43.23 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: did you reboot after your aptget upgrade? |
| 15:43.32 | lcuk | guesses not yet |
| 15:43.55 | FIQ | awesome |
| 15:43.55 | FIQ | ty |
| 15:44.31 | lcuk | that key thing we should have in the control panel |
| 15:44.41 | FIQ | idd |
| 15:46.06 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: yes. sorry to report this. i just saw it in google.com with screen zoomed-in |
| 15:46.22 | pupnik | lcuk: yes!!! |
| 15:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | (<lcuk> lemme find it..) then add to http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo please, when you found it |
| 15:47.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i found it |
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| 15:47.28 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: *shrug*, wfm and most people |
| 15:47.35 | timeless_mbp | and note that apt-get is not a supported upgrade path |
| 15:47.48 | timeless_mbp | so you'll need to do a diff against a normal system and find out what's broken |
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| 15:48.40 | smackpotato | where is the plugin directory for opera m on the 810 |
| 15:48.46 | pupnik | to re-enable autorepeat gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true |
| 15:49.12 | FIQ | btw |
| 15:49.23 | smackpotato | i tried find i didnt find should i create |
| 15:49.29 | FIQ | what's up with the slide to unlock thing? |
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| 15:49.43 | FIQ | seems as just a feature they added in when they were bored |
| 15:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 15:50.05 | FIQ | because, it's easily dodgeable and doesn't seem to really have a purpose |
| 15:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | you're kidding |
| 15:50.22 | pupnik | avoiding unlocking by pocket pressure |
| 15:50.49 | FIQ | but you need to press the powerkey anyway |
| 15:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | what? |
| 15:50.59 | FIQ | and that's enough imo |
| 15:51.04 | FIQ | well |
| 15:51.05 | smackpotato | you can pasword protect the lock |
| 15:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | forgettit |
| 15:51.18 | FIQ | just touching the screen doesn't do anything |
| 15:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | got no power button |
| 15:51.29 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, done :) |
| 15:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: :-)) |
| 15:51.40 | lcuk | formatting is a bit wonky cos i dont know wiki language |
| 15:51.43 | lcuk | but it is in place |
| 15:51.53 | smackpotato | anyone try opera for the n800 |
| 15:52.38 | smackpotato | it rocks but doesnt seem to suport plugins |
| 15:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: if N900 wouldn't unlock on slider-open, I'd not even install N900fly to document the new unbeatable record |
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| 15:54.40 | RST38h | found an insecure soul to torture |
| 15:55.28 | Corsac | please report insecure souls to soul-sec first |
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| 16:01.42 | RST38h | notices how semi-adhoc Opera virtual keyboard absolutely rules in comparison to the carefully-thought-out-by-the-nokia-ux-specialists Maemo virtual keyboard |
| 16:03.18 | SpeedEvil | I am unsure. |
| 16:03.18 | SpeedEvil | The buttons on the opera are too small for me |
| 16:03.19 | RST38h | they are ok really |
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| 16:03.34 | RST38h | if they are too small for you, you can by one of those wriststraps with stylus-like thingies |
| 16:04.26 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I liked the v1.1.1 vkbd |
| 16:04.43 | SpeedEvil | I would also like a fullscreen graffiti - or even xstroke vkbd |
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| 16:07.15 | fdv | lcuk, timeless_mbp, mazer_, joppu: thanks, worked like a charm and no important data lost |
| 16:07.26 | lcuk | \o |
| 16:07.32 | fdv | I've even made a backup now :) |
| 16:07.41 | pupnik | congrats on maemo-optify-boottime lcuk |
| 16:07.53 | pupnik | it is heroic :) |
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| 16:08.09 | lcuk | thanks pupnik, its not heroic, it was a group effeort and involved lots of team members |
| 16:08.17 | pupnik | oh ok |
| 16:08.55 | pupnik | yeah one person could hardly test all the changes |
| 16:09.08 | lcuk | yeah and we got input from community too |
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| 16:09.34 | pupnik | can we ignore optifying .debs now? |
| 16:09.41 | lcuk | nope |
| 16:09.44 | lcuk | lol |
| 16:09.47 | pupnik | waah |
| 16:10.10 | lcuk | thats still important but it looks like the default is simpler to apply now from what i know |
| 16:10.26 | lcuk | and since pretty much everyone has gone over the hump its just matter of fact to optify |
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| 16:10.51 | lcuk | the boottime patch does allow system packages to be optified now tho :) |
| 16:11.05 | pupnik | oooo |
| 16:11.55 | lcuk | so i anticapte a flash from next update to end up occupying even less rootfs |
| 16:13.07 | lcuk | pupnik, it all started cos i needed to optify liqbase ;) |
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| 16:15.14 | lauri | hey guys, a little spam for you: http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=x1TaP |
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| 16:16.05 | frals | wtb ban on lauri |
| 16:16.17 | frals | tries to throw a whale in DocScrutinizers direction |
| 16:16.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, |
| 16:16.33 | GAN900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.50 | frals | hehe GAN900 |
| 16:18.01 | lcuk | sure you can GAN900 |
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| 16:19.53 | GAN900 | Bastards |
| 16:20.24 | GAN900 | This issue is going to be from scratch end-to-end |
| 16:20.32 | Arkenoi | noticed that free root space after pr1.2 update is just almost the same you get with moveroot.sh script |
| 16:20.44 | Arkenoi | almost no advantage |
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| 16:20.55 | GAN900 | What does "Older tweets are temporarily unavailable." mean? |
| 16:21.03 | frals | GAN900: means youre fucked ;) |
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| 16:21.19 | GAN900 | frals, apparently. |
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| 16:21.22 | frals | usually shows instead of the fail whale |
| 16:21.39 | GAN900 | is going to have to collect all of the stories by hand. |
| 16:21.48 | Stskeeps | plays with tmos ignore function |
| 16:22.05 | GAN900 | Hey, if anybody has any interesting Talk threads, want to go ahead and @mwkn them on twitter for me? |
| 16:22.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: huh? highlight? |
| 16:22.22 | frals | GAN900: it usually works an hour later or so |
| 16:22.27 | lcuk | ask frals |
| 16:22.28 | frals | DocScrutinizer: ban lauri |
| 16:22.41 | frals | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.09 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer51] by ChanServ |
| 16:23.45 | GAN900 | Does the total downloads number include -testing and -devel or not? |
| 16:23.48 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*lauri@*.itcollege.ee] by DocScrutinizer51 |
| 16:23.49 | *** kick/#maemo [lauri!~DocScrute@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer51 (lauri) |
| 16:23.52 | frals | does afaik |
| 16:24.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok? |
| 16:24.16 | frals | ty DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 16:25.25 | Vanadis | hai |
| 16:26.10 | Vanadis | Just wrote an E-Mail about the loose USB Connection to Nokia Switzerland |
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| 16:27.54 | jatt | looks like the upgrade frees rootfs space too |
| 16:28.13 | jatt | it grew from 40 to 70 |
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| 16:29.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 16:30.37 | MohammadAG | technically rootfs is the same, but stuff was moved out of it :) |
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| 16:31.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas in a way that is suboptimal at best |
| 16:31.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification |
| 16:31.42 | infobot | methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 16:32.07 | MohammadAG | wonders if infobot would say what FUBAR means (he knows what it means btw) |
| 16:32.12 | MohammadAG | ~dict FUBAR |
| 16:32.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~wtf fubar |
| 16:32.40 | MohammadAG | cool command lol |
| 16:32.42 | MohammadAG | ~wtf wtf |
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| 16:32.59 | MohammadAG | shouldn't this be a family channel? :P |
| 16:33.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: see 'man wtf' |
| 16:33.24 | jatt | my n900 has a MyDocs/Mac OS directory, is this default? |
| 16:33.34 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 16:34.41 | GAN900 | Anybody happen to have a link to a nice article with a summary of the big changes in Qt4.6? |
| 16:35.21 | MohammadAG | wikipedia maybe? (not being sarcastic) |
| 16:35.21 | bogie11 | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/changes/changes-4.6.0 |
| 16:35.28 | MohammadAG | or that |
| 16:35.30 | MohammadAG | :) |
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| 16:36.22 | jatt | looks empty to me it has images, videos dirs but my mp3 are stored in MyDocs/.sounds |
| 16:36.58 | jatt | why is it called mac os, where is this directory used? |
| 16:37.03 | GAN900 | bogie11, something more approachable for people who aren't actually going to be coding in it? |
| 16:37.07 | GAN900 | Mac OS |
| 16:37.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, I always forget to give reason string to kickban :-/ |
| 16:38.02 | MohammadAG | jatt, it's needed for Macs afaik |
| 16:38.08 | ZogG | \o/ |
| 16:38.10 | bogie11 | GAN900: that new features section is quite generic |
| 16:38.13 | ZogG | home o/ |
| 16:38.15 | MohammadAG | not sure if it can be deleted, but it's not on my device |
| 16:38.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG you can delete it and i have it also =) |
| 16:39.07 | MohammadAG | All devices have it |
| 16:39.09 | GAN900 | was hoping to avoid having to do the summarizing himself. |
| 16:39.11 | MohammadAG | afaik |
| 16:39.16 | jatt | i see. somehow it got created and I haven, |
| 16:39.30 | jatt | t used a mac in my life |
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| 16:39.39 | bogie11 | GAN900: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qt4-6-intro.html |
| 16:40.21 | MohammadAG | jatt, it's there by default |
| 16:40.27 | ZogG | jatt you have it by default? |
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| 16:41.02 | jatt | yes |
| 16:41.21 | MohammadAG | jatt, it's there by default |
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| 16:42.29 | GAN900 | bogie11, thanks. |
| 16:42.38 | bogie11 | GAN900: hopefully that helps |
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| 16:46.12 | ZogG | I request marijuana growing application !!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 16:47.23 | SpeedEvil | I pondered selling growboxes on ebay. |
| 16:47.50 | SpeedEvil | With odour neutraliser - just stick it in a wardrobe, and 4 months later off goes the timer. |
| 16:48.55 | pupnik | fire hazard. get sued. lol |
| 16:51.10 | Termana | Kesha's love is my drug |
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| 16:51.45 | cure` | anyone happen to know how to restart the media daemon? |
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| 16:51.57 | cure` | google won't help me |
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| 16:53.08 | ZogG | Hydroponics Grow Box System Light Cabinet 90w LED UFO ! â 1,999 $ |
| 16:53.11 | ZogG | say w00t |
| 16:54.02 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 16:56.48 | bogie11 | Drugs are bad m'kay... |
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| 16:59.08 | jacekowski | bogie11: only bad drugs are bad |
| 16:59.20 | swc|666 | +1 |
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| 17:01.50 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 17:03.04 | MOUD | How can I set up my PS3 controller to work with n900? |
| 17:03.15 | korhojoa | with the sixaxis package |
| 17:03.31 | korhojoa | then use a computer to assign the controller to your n900 mac |
| 17:03.38 | korhojoa | it's all in the guide |
| 17:03.49 | MOUD | could you please link the guide? |
| 17:05.12 | korhojoa | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sixaxis+n900 |
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| 17:06.09 | ZogG | korhojoa, is custom kernel needed btw? |
| 17:06.20 | MohammadAG | LOL WTF |
| 17:06.21 | MohammadAG | WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! |
| 17:06.21 | MohammadAG | OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM. |
| 17:06.25 | MOUD | ty :) |
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| 17:07.03 | jacekowski | you are checking mounted file system |
| 17:07.08 | korhojoa | ZogG: not sure, i think it just loads a module, so no |
| 17:07.21 | ZogG | MohammadAG, are you bonehead? |
| 17:07.34 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, nope :) |
| 17:07.39 | MohammadAG | ZogG, ^ answers it |
| 17:07.48 | ZogG | so it's bug |
| 17:07.50 | jacekowski | you are denying facts |
| 17:08.56 | korhojoa | :D |
| 17:09.19 | jacekowski | besides, e2fsck? |
| 17:09.30 | jacekowski | aren't you trying to run it on ecxt3?4 |
| 17:09.32 | jacekowski | ext3? |
| 17:09.48 | MohammadAG | ext3 |
| 17:09.51 | jacekowski | fsck.ext3 |
| 17:10.01 | RST38h | fsck fsck fsck |
| 17:10.08 | RST38h | ahhhhh |
| 17:10.14 | korhojoa | well fsck. |
| 17:10.20 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# fsck.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 17:10.20 | MohammadAG | e2fsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 17:10.33 | jacekowski | cat /proc/mounts |
| 17:10.34 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, it was an fsck.ext3 |
| 17:10.37 | MohammadAG | not mounted |
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| 17:10.58 | MohammadAG | otherwise it would bi*** about it before I start |
| 17:11.19 | RST38h | do you do this manually, or with a special script? |
| 17:11.23 | cure` | anyone happen to know how to restart the media codecs daemon? |
| 17:11.30 | MohammadAG | manually |
| 17:11.48 | jacekowski | cure`: reboot |
| 17:11.53 | RST38h | save the effort, we all know what you mean |
| 17:12.00 | cure` | can do it manually too jacekowski |
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| 17:15.19 | jacekowski | app manager can't search anymore |
| 17:15.37 | frals | live filter intstead |
| 17:15.47 | frals | s/int/in/ |
| 17:16.18 | MohammadAG | Is there any damn way to answer yes to all |
| 17:16.36 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: type in it |
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| 17:19.56 | MohammadAG | yawn |
| 17:19.57 | MohammadAG | Pass 3A: Optimizing directories |
| 17:19.57 | MohammadAG | Failed to optimize directory ??? (163535): EXT2 directory corrupted |
| 17:19.57 | MohammadAG | Segmentation fault |
| 17:20.08 | MohammadAG | why does ext3 say ext2 though |
| 17:20.14 | thresh | because ext3 is ext2 |
| 17:20.16 | SpeedEvil | ext3 is really ext2 |
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| 17:20.21 | jacekowski | with journal |
| 17:20.51 | jacekowski | so cleanly unmounted ext3 == ext2 |
| 17:21.08 | SpeedEvil | I would - if I could - build ext2tools with debug symbols, hit that puppy with gdb, and send a backtrace, and dumpe2fs output with it to the e2tools bugtracker |
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| 17:21.31 | SpeedEvil | dumpe2fs |
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| 17:24.36 | jacekowski | are we going to get decent ovi store for n900? |
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| 17:28.21 | MohammadAG | <jacekowski> so cleanly unmounted ext3 == ext2 |
| 17:28.25 | MohammadAG | it's unmounted... |
| 17:28.59 | MohammadAG | e.g |
| 17:29.01 | MohammadAG | fsmohammad@mohammad-i5:~$ sudo fsck /dev/sda5 |
| 17:29.02 | MohammadAG | [sudo] password for mohammad: |
| 17:29.02 | MohammadAG | fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 |
| 17:29.02 | MohammadAG | e2fsck 1.41.11 (14-Mar-2010) |
| 17:29.02 | MohammadAG | /dev/sda5 is mounted. |
| 17:29.02 | MohammadAG | WARNING!!! The filesystem is mounted. If you continue you ***WILL*** |
| 17:29.04 | MohammadAG | cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage. |
| 17:29.06 | MohammadAG | Do you really want to continue (y/n)? |
| 17:29.56 | Stskeeps | wtf are you doing |
| 17:29.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:30.05 | jacekowski | press y |
| 17:30.12 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i made a small quiz for you (sorry that i'm late was on phone) Ââ http://i48.tinypic.com/iepj4n.jpg |
| 17:30.30 | MohammadAG | <jacekowski> press y |
| 17:30.39 | MohammadAG | that's like telling me to rm -rf root |
| 17:30.52 | jacekowski | try it |
| 17:31.00 | jacekowski | nobody has done any research |
| 17:31.07 | SpeedEvil | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! |
| 17:31.24 | MohammadAG | <jacekowski> nobody has done any research |
| 17:31.38 | MohammadAG | I can't take all the credit, you do it, I'll post the results on tmo and linux.org |
| 17:31.48 | ZogG | MohammadAG, do you have guaranty ? |
| 17:33.02 | ZogG | MohammadAG, http://i48.tinypic.com/iepj4n.jpg |
| 17:33.47 | MohammadAG | ZogG, slightly wrong, since it always ends at one points |
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| 17:33.54 | MohammadAG | and that's not how flow charts work :P |
| 17:33.57 | ZogG | MohammadAG, it's not |
| 17:34.08 | lcuk | ZogG, replace bonehead with "special" |
| 17:34.19 | ZogG | MohammadAG, my chart works as i told it !!! |
| 17:34.32 | MohammadAG | then I'm in a loop right now |
| 17:34.35 | MohammadAG | lcuk, screw you :P |
| 17:35.07 | ZogG | lcuk, have you heard that MohammadAG won a canada citizenship? |
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| 17:35.26 | MohammadAG | and.. You have been awarded a donation funds of $1,350,000 usd.Contact Mr Simons Regiado with the following information. |
| 17:35.46 | MohammadAG | hotmail blocks legit mail |
| 17:35.55 | MohammadAG | and keeps that crap in my inbox |
| 17:35.59 | MohammadAG | I'm switching to gmail |
| 17:36.02 | korhojoa | what |
| 17:36.06 | korhojoa | someone still uses hotmail? |
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| 17:36.43 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 17:36.44 | jacekowski | only special people |
| 17:36.48 | Lantizia | Hey even after reading as much as I could find I'm still confused about Maemo/Mer/Moblin/MeeGo |
| 17:36.59 | korhojoa | ah. well. "Have a very special day, for a very special boy." |
| 17:37.01 | Lantizia | Harmatton is Maemo 5+1 right? |
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| 17:37.21 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, f you :P |
| 17:37.30 | jacekowski | f you too |
| 17:37.34 | korhojoa | flowers? |
| 17:37.36 | korhojoa | wow, that's so nice |
| 17:38.02 | ZogG | Lantizia there is also Goblin |
| 17:38.04 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, aww, I was jk... |
| 17:38.06 | Lantizia | anyone know what I'm on about? |
| 17:38.09 | ZogG | opensuse based on moblin =) |
| 17:38.22 | MohammadAG | OpenSUSE sucks |
| 17:38.28 | MohammadAG | waits for someone to reply |
| 17:38.31 | ZogG | so ubuntu |
| 17:38.35 | Lantizia | Well.. Harmatton is Maemo 5+1 am I right? |
| 17:38.38 | korhojoa | haha, just looked at the quiz. win :D |
| 17:38.46 | ZogG | Lantizia it's only code name |
| 17:38.48 | korhojoa | MohammadAG: now what? |
| 17:38.51 | Lantizia | But Harmatton is no longer branded Maemo 6 and instead MeeGo |
| 17:39.01 | ZogG | Lantizia yes and no |
| 17:39.05 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: gmail also has that crap come through |
| 17:39.13 | Lantizia | So will the Nokia release of MeeGo be debian based as it's the existing Maemo 5+1 Harmatton work? |
| 17:39.21 | MohammadAG | shuts down all email accounts |
| 17:39.23 | ZogG | Lantizia, meego is platform, hartmatton is meego + nokia UX for handsets |
| 17:39.32 | Stskeeps | harmattan |
| 17:39.32 | ZogG | MohammadAG use yahoo =)))) |
| 17:39.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:39.47 | Lantizia | Right so how can Harmatton be rebranded MeeGo as I'm reading |
| 17:39.47 | ZogG | Stskeeps harmatata |
| 17:39.50 | ZogG | akuna matata |
| 17:39.50 | Lantizia | surely thet is in conflict |
| 17:39.57 | MohammadAG | ZogG, err... |
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| 17:40.39 | Lantizia | In short what I'm asking is... is Maemo 5 (that which we run on our N900's) the last of the Debian breed? |
| 17:40.54 | Stskeeps | no, harmattan is deb based too |
| 17:40.54 | MohammadAG | kind of |
| 17:40.55 | Stskeeps | last i saw |
| 17:40.59 | MohammadAG | huh? |
| 17:41.22 | ZogG | Lantizia as i understand, and probably i'm wrong as always, it'a like mint is ubuntu based linux harmattan is meego based or something like that =) |
| 17:41.22 | Lantizia | stskeeps - but that is now MeeGo I rea |
| 17:41.30 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: it's all magic branding. |
| 17:41.43 | ZogG | Stskeeps are you sure it's deb based? |
| 17:41.43 | Lantizia | http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/16/its-official-nokia-is-dropping-the-maemo-6-brand/ |
| 17:41.50 | Stskeeps | ZogG: damn sure. |
| 17:41.56 | ZogG | hmm |
| 17:41.56 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: meego is (actually) a open source system from meego.com, using rpms |
| 17:41.57 | ZogG | wierd |
| 17:42.14 | Lantizia | none of you really know do you? :P |
| 17:42.27 | spectre- | such sellouts |
| 17:42.29 | ZogG | Lantizia, go #meego =) |
| 17:42.37 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: i do know |
| 17:42.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:42.41 | Lantizia | ZogG this isn't about MeeGo... it is about Maemo |
| 17:42.43 | spectre- | apt is the best package management system in existence |
| 17:42.52 | Lantizia | People were working on the Maemo 5 successor... known as Harmatton long before MeeGo |
| 17:42.56 | ZogG | Lantizia, there is no maemo only maemo 5 |
| 17:42.57 | spectre- | and they ditch it because intel wanted them to |
| 17:42.58 | Lantizia | So Maemo 5+1 must be deb based |
| 17:42.59 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: right |
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| 17:43.10 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, oh, so MeeGo is what I should hate, Maemo is what I should like :P |
| 17:43.12 | Lantizia | Unless they're scrapping that work entirely |
| 17:43.31 | spectre- | yes |
| 17:43.34 | ZogG | MohammadAG, you have to hate fsck |
| 17:43.35 | spectre- | maemo = good |
| 17:43.38 | Stskeeps | sigh |
| 17:43.40 | Stskeeps | silly people |
| 17:43.41 | mazer_ | I don't know what the hype around meego is about |
| 17:43.46 | Stskeeps | goes get a glass of wine |
| 17:43.48 | Lantizia | mazer_ me either |
| 17:43.50 | lcuk | technically - the code is not rpm or deb or installshield based. |
| 17:44.06 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, silly eh? |
| 17:44.09 | Lantizia | Look I just want to know if Maemo 5 is the last of the .deb based distros for my phone! |
| 17:44.15 | mazer_ | and I can't be fussed to port llvm to maemo this month. |
| 17:44.23 | lcuk | code is based on library linking and instructions |
| 17:44.28 | MohammadAG | lcuk, right, so the packaging system can theoretically be changed |
| 17:44.28 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: if you count official spport, yes |
| 17:44.33 | lcuk | and the delivery mechanism is largely another matter |
| 17:44.49 | Lantizia | Stskeeps...ok so what is going to happen to the work on the next .deb based distro Maemo 6 (Harmatton) ? |
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| 17:44.53 | ZogG | Lantizia, anyway most meego programs should work on maemo as they are QT, anyway you can make deb rpm or other packages |
| 17:45.05 | ZogG | Lantizia, the point is it's QT and arm based =) |
| 17:45.17 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: goes on a next device. and there's a project to do a simple port of this to n900, in community. |
| 17:45.25 | Lantizia | ZogG: so was my Zaurus - but they didn't make it good |
| 17:45.38 | ZogG | zaurus? |
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| 17:45.41 | ZogG | who did it bad? |
| 17:45.45 | mazer_ | lcuk: is Python your only source of programming knowledge? |
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| 17:46.08 | rdorsch | Can I subscribe to a tmo thread? |
| 17:46.11 | lcuk | mazer_, i hope not, im fully atuned to c and c++ and lots of OO languages, why do you ask? |
| 17:46.13 | ZogG | lcuk, do you use Qt SDK or maemo SDK? |
| 17:46.19 | Lantizia | ZogG: my point is Qt/ARM based phones/pda's are old - theres nothing exciting about that... it's been done to death. The nice thing with the N900 was it has REAL full blown APT and .deb support |
| 17:46.20 | lcuk | i wrote liqbase from the ground up in native c |
| 17:46.21 | ZogG | rdorsch, i think so |
| 17:46.35 | lcuk | ZogG, i have to work with many languages |
| 17:46.54 | ZogG | lcuk, i'm interested if i can use python in QT SDK |
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| 17:47.05 | ZogG | i found ony C++ there |
| 17:47.11 | ToJa92 | [rdorsch]: On the top, press thread tools and then subscribe to thread |
| 17:47.19 | ToJa92 | On the top of the thread* |
| 17:47.32 | lcuk | ZogG, thats because pyqt or pyside or whatever its called now sits ontop and is technically something else |
| 17:47.33 | MohammadAG | ZogG, you don't need an SDK for python |
| 17:47.33 | ZogG | Lantizia, so you still have it, just take rpm package and prot it to deb. |
| 17:47.38 | lcuk | as all python stuff does |
| 17:47.51 | Lantizia | ZogG you mean the other way around |
| 17:47.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i need SDK for GUI |
| 17:48.02 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 17:48.22 | MohammadAG | you can write it from scratch, that is, if you're hardcore |
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| 17:48.27 | lcuk | MohammadAG, need == dislikes writing layout code in code |
| 17:48.35 | lcuk | which i totally understand |
| 17:48.46 | lcuk | tho cant you use the layouts saved and load dynamically at runtime |
| 17:48.54 | lcuk | so you can use the designer |
| 17:48.58 | Lantizia | So again... what is going to happen to the existing work that went in to Maemo 6/Harmatton before the Nokia/Intel announcement? |
| 17:49.08 | ZogG | Lantizia, it's like i have source based linux you have deb based and MohammadAG have whatever something, but source is the same source. you just make different packages |
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| 17:49.09 | Lantizia | I know the Qt work will go in to Meego |
| 17:49.19 | haltdef | shakes Lantizia |
| 17:49.21 | Lantizia | But what about the existing base created for Maemo 6 that was .deb based |
| 17:49.32 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I know |
| 17:49.35 | ZogG | lcuk i'm noob - i want to learn =) |
| 17:49.51 | mazer_ | lcuk: how long have you been coding c/c++/python |
| 17:50.10 | ZogG | lcuk, liked glade cause i could add an object and jump straight to code, for example i add button and than i add code to it |
| 17:50.17 | MohammadAG | 50 years ago, since before he was born |
| 17:50.23 | lcuk | mazer_, i got heavily into c(and asm) on my amiga in the 90s, then put it down for 10 years whilst i was doing visual basic job |
| 17:50.29 | lcuk | then picked up c again in liqbase |
| 17:50.43 | ZogG | Lantizia, they even now port symbian apps easily to maemo apps and back =) |
| 17:50.50 | Lantizia | I don't fucking care |
| 17:50.55 | Lantizia | I don't want RPM's |
| 17:51.06 | lcuk | Lantizia, what does it matter to a developer |
| 17:51.10 | ZogG | if you stay with maemo5 you will get deb |
| 17:51.15 | lcuk | press button, get packages |
| 17:51.18 | jaska | packaging rpms is more painful :) |
| 17:51.19 | lcuk | deploy |
| 17:51.20 | Lantizia | and what about unfinished maemo6 ? |
| 17:51.27 | mazer_ | lcuk: you dropped c/asm for vb? |
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| 17:51.41 | lcuk | mazer_, yeah :) but i never stopped thinking about it |
| 17:51.43 | frals | lcuk: when all i need to get a package is press a button ill be happy man ;) |
| 17:51.49 | ZogG | Lantizia, i want any package as i get programs smoothly working on my system and they are easily installed (no dependies problems and so on) |
| 17:51.50 | frals | +a |
| 17:51.55 | lcuk | frals its all i do to get a package :) |
| 17:51.59 | mazer_ | fair enough. |
| 17:52.01 | lcuk | and it will just be a template when i need rpm |
| 17:52.29 | ZogG | frals, same here, as it's phone, though desktop is little bit different |
| 17:52.35 | Lantizia | ZogG... RPM based package management doesn't exactly have a good history of resolving dependancies correctly |
| 17:52.38 | lcuk | mazer_, principles of making applications fast are the same in vb as they are in assembly |
| 17:52.41 | Lantizia | APT is king with that |
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| 17:52.45 | lcuk | all programming is just lego blocks |
| 17:52.53 | MohammadAG | and it takes ages to do a simple install |
| 17:53.12 | lcuk | to make it faster you have to use less blocks |
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| 17:53.23 | Lantizia | I'm guessing there won't be any non-destructive upgrade path from Maemo 5 to MeeGo |
| 17:53.24 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 17:54.09 | ZogG | Lantizia, don't think so, it would be probably some community hack |
| 17:54.25 | ZogG | and it wouldn't be smooth, as you would liek to get meego before it would be ready |
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| 17:54.28 | Lantizia | ZogG at least it's coming for the N900 |
| 17:54.33 | ZogG | i'm looking forward for dual boot |
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| 17:54.49 | Lantizia | they even turned down dual package management on MeeGo |
| 17:54.50 | frals | lcuk: fwiw i almost got it down to one command to package, but it wasnt as painless as i hoped :P |
| 17:54.50 | Lantizia | the bastards |
| 17:54.56 | ZogG | Lantizia, the question how end-user finished it would be |
| 17:55.02 | mazer_ | lcuk: I wouldn't know about vb principles. |
| 17:55.21 | Lantizia | I'm still pissed off about the whole announcement and it's months later |
| 17:55.30 | lcuk | mazer_, meh a set of functions that call other functions that call other functions, the language isnt important |
| 17:55.33 | Lantizia | I didn't buy thing thing for the one thing I loved about it ... TO GET AXED |
| 17:55.39 | lcuk | Lantizia, its a community project |
| 17:55.39 | Lantizia | s/thing thing/this thing |
| 17:55.48 | ZogG | Lantizia, agreed |
| 17:55.51 | Lantizia | lcuk - what is? |
| 17:55.57 | mazer_ | lcuk: how do you use vb on freebsd? |
| 17:55.57 | lcuk | SHOW that it can work |
| 17:55.59 | lcuk | assert yourself and dont sit back expecting someone else to do it all for oyu |
| 17:56.11 | lcuk | #something like the dual packaging |
| 17:56.15 | ZogG | i think if even the support would be as it is, we should still get the clear image what's going on, but only rumors =) |
| 17:56.20 | lcuk | mazer_, not what i mean |
| 17:56.38 | mazer_ | lcuk: what do you mean? |
| 17:56.59 | ZogG | 42 |
| 17:57.07 | mazer_ | ZogG: you're an iphone user. |
| 17:57.16 | lcuk | you said how do i use vb on freebsd - i never needed to but if microsoft want to build the library for it it would work |
| 17:57.25 | Lantizia | I loved the Zaurus because it had a loose connection to Debian and the ipkg's worked similarly.... I bought the N900 because it basically was debian with full blown APT support... in both cases either the hardware or the OS got axed |
| 17:57.43 | mazer_ | lcuk: thanks for playing. |
| 17:57.50 | Lantizia | When it comes to embedded systems and the OS they're often based on... Debian is king |
| 17:57.53 | lcuk | ? |
| 17:58.02 | Lantizia | Why the fuck are we following intel on this for their failed product? |
| 17:58.14 | Stskeeps | feel free to make your own. |
| 17:58.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:58.16 | mazer_ | Lantizia: because everyone else does. |
| 17:58.19 | Trizt | If I had knew it been debian, I would have thought a bit longer |
| 17:58.42 | ZogG | mazer_ no, why? |
| 17:58.42 | mazer_ | Lantizia: Are you sure that N900 has "full blown apt support" |
| 17:58.43 | Lantizia | mazer_ like who! name me a successful moblin device! |
| 17:58.53 | Lantizia | yes |
| 17:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: http://linux.die.net/man/1/alien |
| 17:59.09 | Lantizia | Doc: i know that exists, not my point |
| 17:59.15 | ZogG | Lantizia i say go gentoo |
| 17:59.36 | mazer_ | I agree with zogg. |
| 17:59.39 | ZogG | i think portage is most easy thing and orginized thing to use |
| 17:59.41 | RST38h | moos at Stskeeps, feebly |
| 17:59.42 | Lantizia | Are Nokia at least releasing all the proprietary stuff in Maemo 5 so people can make their own? |
| 17:59.49 | Trizt | Mmm a Gentoo phone... |
| 17:59.51 | Stskeeps | moo RST38h |
| 17:59.54 | Lantizia | I noticed (before this too got axed) Mer had the phone support |
| 18:00.00 | Stskeeps | we didn't |
| 18:00.04 | ZogG | Trizt you can use rpm on gentoo too =) |
| 18:00.16 | Trizt | ZogG; I know |
| 18:00.18 | luke-jr | ZogG: then it wouldn't be Gentoo |
| 18:00.23 | ZogG | Stskeeps you are Mer dev right? |
| 18:00.25 | mazer_ | zogg: portage is useless. |
| 18:00.32 | Lantizia | Mer is dead |
| 18:00.35 | luke-jr | ZogG: do you run Gentoo? |
| 18:00.37 | lcuk | Lantizia, mers lead said that its been closed. but since mer is open source technically someone could continue where he left off |
| 18:00.38 | Stskeeps | ZogG: mer's dead |
| 18:00.38 | ZogG | mazer_ useless? why? |
| 18:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: no that proprietary stuff will find an open counterpart in meego |
| 18:00.42 | ZogG | luke-jr yes |
| 18:00.42 | Lantizia | Moblin was a failure and is dead |
| 18:00.46 | lcuk | thats right isnt it Stskeeps |
| 18:00.47 | ZogG | Stskeeps, i know |
| 18:00.49 | luke-jr | ZogG: N8x0 or N900? |
| 18:00.50 | Lantizia | Maemo is dead by Nokia's lazyness |
| 18:00.55 | RST38h | Moblin is now known as Meego |
| 18:01.01 | ZogG | luke-jr, no i use it on desktop, lol |
| 18:01.01 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: says who? |
| 18:01.02 | GAN900 | Lantizia, er, yeah. |
| 18:01.03 | mazer_ | zogg: several reasons, such as having the whole repository hard-masked. |
| 18:01.06 | RST38h | So, not sure what you mean by "dead" |
| 18:01.07 | GAN900 | Revisionist much? |
| 18:01.14 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: last I checked, MeeGo was still going to be proprietary |
| 18:01.17 | ZogG | mazer_ hard masked? say what? |
| 18:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: me? |
| 18:01.19 | luke-jr | ZogG: o boring |
| 18:01.21 | Lantizia | DocScrutinizer: so why not just release what was in maemo 5 as open source so people can continue that build themselves if they don't want meego? |
| 18:01.24 | lcuk | Lantizia, pr1.2 was released just this week |
| 18:01.26 | mazer_ | zogg: I guess you don't run gentoo. |
| 18:01.30 | luke-jr | Lantizia: cost |
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| 18:01.33 | ZogG | mazer_ i do, unstable |
| 18:01.35 | lcuk | and go look on gitorious, im sure theres modifications made since |
| 18:01.38 | mazer_ | zogg: see paludis. |
| 18:01.39 | Trizt | ZogG; so you too have rpm on your Gentoo? I don't really use it for installing, just testing and building some rpms |
| 18:01.40 | Stskeeps | excellent, luke-jr joined the discussion |
| 18:01.43 | Lantizia | luke-jr: whats cost? |
| 18:01.44 | Stskeeps | grabs his popcorn |
| 18:01.45 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:01.46 | Lantizia | lcuk: of what? |
| 18:01.46 | ZogG | mazer_ but any way stable debian is not the same? |
| 18:01.50 | mazer_ | zogg: see paludis. |
| 18:01.52 | lcuk | maemo code |
| 18:01.56 | luke-jr | Lantizia: cost of having the code looked over for third party IP, etc |
| 18:01.57 | lcuk | and maemo update |
| 18:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: because it's closed for some good reasons (3rd party IP etc) |
| 18:02.00 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, it's all in OBS |
| 18:02.01 | luke-jr | Lantizia: getting it cleared by legal |
| 18:02.08 | ZogG | Trizt never tried, i just say that it can work on gentoo too |
| 18:02.10 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: s/good/bad/ |
| 18:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:02.19 | ZogG | mazer_ paludis is crap |
| 18:02.23 | mazer_ | zogg: why? |
| 18:02.24 | lcuk | and therefore Mer - the debian based open project for Nokia devices and beyond is not dead |
| 18:02.27 | lcuk | its merely resting |
| 18:02.36 | Stskeeps | and it was ubuntu based |
| 18:02.38 | ZogG | because i ⥠portage |
| 18:02.41 | luke-jr | Paludis doesn't work sanely, at least on ARM |
| 18:02.42 | ZogG | i find it easy |
| 18:02.43 | mazer_ | zogg: you're stupid. |
| 18:02.49 | mazer_ | luke-jr: how so? |
| 18:02.50 | Lantizia | lcuk - ummm the web page says... IT IS DEAD |
| 18:02.52 | ZogG | mazer_, i love you too |
| 18:03.01 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: it is, but anyone can fork or continue it if they want |
| 18:03.05 | lcuk | Lantizia, the web page can say what it likes, but its open source |
| 18:03.06 | luke-jr | mazer_: no clue, I couldn't get it to work |
| 18:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | s#s/good/bad/#s/good/invariable/# |
| 18:03.14 | lcuk | to kill a closed source project would mean its death |
| 18:03.15 | luke-jr | mazer_: IIRC the Paludis devs just blamed GCC or some nonsense |
| 18:03.21 | lcuk | but in open source thats simply not true |
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| 18:03.33 | luke-jr | lcuk: Maemo was never open source |
| 18:03.35 | ZogG | mazer_, what is so bad in portage? |
| 18:03.37 | mazer_ | luke-jr: ah. |
| 18:03.40 | lcuk | we are discussing mer |
| 18:03.42 | luke-jr | Mer could never be, in its NIT support |
| 18:03.47 | ZogG | luke-jr that's the problem from the begining |
| 18:03.49 | mazer_ | zogg: have you ever looked at their code? |
| 18:03.50 | Trizt | ZogG; the freedom ;) |
| 18:04.04 | ZogG | mazer_ nope, i'm user, not dev. |
| 18:04.08 | mazer_ | zogg: go away. |
| 18:04.18 | ZogG | mazer_ i like how it's orginized |
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| 18:04.28 | luke-jr | if someone wanted to continue/fork Mer, they would need to get Stskeeps to get them the ability to distribute the blobware |
| 18:04.44 | mazer_ | zogg: you can probably get apt formatted in a similar fashion |
| 18:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: to filter out some of your arguments, please realize Stskeeps is maintainer of mer as well as "initiator" of meego |
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| 18:04.50 | mazer_ | with color coded combinations. |
| 18:05.07 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: we never distributed blobs, so no problems there |
| 18:05.22 | ZogG | mazer_ i don't like when you don't have flags and you have several repos for stable and unstable |
| 18:05.22 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: nor had something working |
| 18:05.31 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: point |
| 18:05.31 | lcuk | carries on hacking on maemo and enjoying it |
| 18:05.38 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: initfs hacks are cool though |
| 18:05.43 | Lantizia | Stskeeps: what would you say the odds are... of a community developed debian based distro that uses the front end and libraries (e.g. for phone support) from MeeGo ? |
| 18:05.50 | mazer_ | lcuk: what does hacking mean to you? |
| 18:06.06 | Trizt | mazer_; and all the bad hacks you have to do if you want some other functions than the maintiners of the distro |
| 18:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 18:06.19 | mazer_ | Trizt: what does hacking mean to you? |
| 18:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | anybody else to ban? |
| 18:06.24 | bogie11 | *sighs |
| 18:06.28 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: as in people actually spending time on it? not good odds |
| 18:06.35 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ya ya das ist fantastish |
| 18:06.46 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ban me =) |
| 18:06.47 | Trizt | mazer_; how do you get SeaMonkey 2 with qt toolbox in debian? |
| 18:06.49 | lcuk | Stskeeps, to be fair *any* f the open source stuff has low odds |
| 18:06.50 | Lantizia | Stskeeps: do you know is android uses gtk+ ? |
| 18:06.54 | lcuk | but yet, here we all are |
| 18:06.55 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: it doesn't |
| 18:07.01 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, don't forget the reason this time |
| 18:07.04 | mazer_ | Trizt: by doing hideous things. |
| 18:07.10 | Lantizia | Stskeeps: so it's entirely it's own thing? |
| 18:07.16 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: right |
| 18:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | yawns again |
| 18:07.19 | lcuk | Lantizia, complete front end |
| 18:07.28 | mazer_ | DocScrutinizer: are you tired? |
| 18:07.28 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: no xorg, even |
| 18:07.31 | luke-jr | ZogG: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 |
| 18:07.42 | ZogG | i think i know this guy |
| 18:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | mazer_: yes, somewhat. Of filtering this noise |
| 18:07.45 | Lantizia | I may see if Angstrom release for N900 |
| 18:07.46 | ZogG | he is russian right? |
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| 18:08.02 | mazer_ | DocScrutinizer: which noise? |
| 18:08.06 | ZogG | luke-jr as i get microSD i would check android and maybe gentoo |
| 18:08.18 | luke-jr | ZogG: Gentoo requires at least 4 GB |
| 18:08.23 | luke-jr | I'd suggest at least 8 |
| 18:08.31 | ZogG | can i flash maemo ing on MMC btw? |
| 18:08.44 | jaska | ah, speaking of sd cards, any idea how fast the sd controller goes on n900? |
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| 18:08.50 | ZogG | if i get gentoo and have dual boot can i use maemo from MMC ? |
| 18:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | sets S/N squelch up a 6dB ticks |
| 18:08.54 | jaska | as in is it worth jack to get class 10 cards etc |
| 18:09.10 | ZogG | luke-jr, i got 8 GiBs |
| 18:09.27 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, your SWR meter goin crazy? |
| 18:09.42 | nocturnal | the left arrow key on my n900 stopped working after the last 1.2 firmware flash. also the dot key goes left instead of a dot so what i really lost was the ability to type dots. anyone recognize this issue? |
| 18:09.49 | luke-jr | ZogG: Gentoo must be on external MMC obviously :p |
| 18:10.30 | nocturnal | i tried re-flashing, used the global .bin file |
| 18:10.35 | jaska | wrong keyboard layout? |
| 18:10.37 | jaska | its choosable |
| 18:10.37 | nocturnal | for a swedish phone |
| 18:10.40 | lcuk | nocturnal, ? which region are you in and did you alter your keymap ? |
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| 18:10.42 | nocturnal | i've checked that |
| 18:10.46 | nocturnal | the on screen keyboard works fine |
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| 18:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's not fair highlighting me :-P |
| 18:11.02 | lcuk | nocturnal, try changing language in settings? |
| 18:11.02 | nocturnal | i have swedish as primary and danish as secondary just as always, i've tried english as secondary |
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| 18:11.06 | nocturnal | can you unset secondary completely? |
| 18:11.08 | lcuk | my .fi device needs it after a reflash |
| 18:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: do you thing my own noise TX spams the RX due to mismatch spoiling SWR? |
| 18:11.22 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: btw, did you see I updated http://elinux.org/N800#Status |
| 18:11.23 | nocturnal | ok i'll check language settings again |
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| 18:11.40 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: you happen to have a 2.6.33 TSC2301 laying about btw? |
| 18:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | think even |
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| 18:11.53 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: nope |
| 18:11.54 | lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer |
| 18:12.14 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: thanks |
| 18:12.21 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I did look yesterday all over |
| 18:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | /mode #mameo +q DocScrutinizer |
| 18:12.24 | luke-jr | couldn't find any |
| 18:12.30 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i have a link .. sec |
| 18:12.35 | nocturnal | oh wtf, i never noticed this hardware keyboard layout setting, it was set to English, Nederlands wtf |
| 18:12.38 | nocturnal | thanks for the help |
| 18:12.41 | johnsq | luke-jr: nice work |
| 18:12.46 | luke-jr | the TSC2005 implementation that will probably go into 2.6.35 was for N900 |
| 18:12.58 | Stskeeps | yeah, i should be reusable for n8x0 thoug |
| 18:13.00 | luke-jr | johnsq: ? |
| 18:13.09 | johnsq | luke-jr: elinux page |
| 18:13.11 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49660 has a n800.diff.gz containing one |
| 18:13.15 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: also, TMP105 is apparently just another LM75 clone |
| 18:13.18 | *** part/#maemo nocturnal (~nocturnal@83.209.24.174) |
| 18:13.24 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: that's useless for mainlining :P |
| 18:13.34 | Stskeeps | a n800.diff.gz? admittedly |
| 18:13.52 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: same guy also had DSP forward ported |
| 18:14.01 | ZogG | what is bootloader used in maemo? |
| 18:14.03 | luke-jr | what does DSP actually need from the kernel? |
| 18:14.10 | luke-jr | ZogG: NOLO; proprietary |
| 18:14.13 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: dsplink or something |
| 18:14.23 | Stskeeps | or dspbridge, i forget |
| 18:14.28 | ZogG | luke-jr can i change it to something else? |
| 18:14.35 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: does it require board support, or just a generic driver? |
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| 18:14.39 | luke-jr | ZogG: not afaik |
| 18:14.51 | RST38h | ok, could someone recommend the most kosher way of listening to N900 keyboard, globally? |
| 18:14.51 | ZogG | =( |
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| 18:15.00 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/index.php |
| 18:15.07 | Corsac | RST38h: put your ear near the back side? |
| 18:15.14 | ZogG | Corsac lol |
| 18:15.22 | ZogG | RST38h, what do you mean? |
| 18:15.56 | ZogG | oh luke-jr it's you there =) |
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| 18:16.07 | luke-jr | ZogG: ?? |
| 18:16.15 | ZogG | luke-jr on gentoo on n8*0 |
| 18:16.19 | ZogG | you and marat |
| 18:16.27 | luke-jr | yeah |
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| 18:16.31 | ZogG | there was other guy porting gentoo to PPC |
| 18:16.35 | ZogG | old PPC |
| 18:16.36 | luke-jr | ... |
| 18:16.42 | luke-jr | Gentoo's worked on PPC for a long time |
| 18:16.47 | ZogG | yeah |
| 18:17.03 | ZogG | there was guy i talked to, who made the port i think |
| 18:17.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.09 | ZogG | from gentoo.org.ru |
| 18:17.16 | ZogG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.50 | DocAvalanche | RST38h: cat /dev/input/keypad ? |
| 18:18.46 | ZogG | luke-jr if you want to port gentoo to n900 it would be from scratch or you can use n8*0 port? |
| 18:19.07 | luke-jr | ZogG: no clue |
| 18:19.24 | luke-jr | ZogG: don't care unless someone sends me one, either |
| 18:19.27 | johnsq | ZogG: porting any distribution is no problem, you still have no applications. |
| 18:20.30 | ZogG | sys-kernel/n900-sources =) |
| 18:20.40 | ZogG | on overlay =) |
| 18:21.33 | ZogG | armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi |
| 18:21.34 | ZogG | hmmm |
| 18:21.50 | ZogG | luke-jr, armin762.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/arm-status-gentoo/ |
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| 18:25.01 | DocAvalanche | RST38bis: was that what you asked for? |
| 18:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Is it quite thick, and does green stuff come out of it when it gets hot? |
| 18:25.25 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 18:25.55 | felipec | hmm, my wifi seems to stop working after the screen blanks |
| 18:25.59 | DocAvalanche | SpeedEvil: that's an oops indeed :-P |
| 18:26.13 | felipec | then I have to reconnect... is anyone having the same problem on PR1.2? |
| 18:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what SpeedEvil is talking about. Heaggis? |
| 18:27.16 | ZogG | felipec do you have any extra apps? |
| 18:27.26 | ZogG | autodisconnect or disconectidle |
| 18:27.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: solder |
| 18:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeeek |
| 18:27.35 | ZogG | SpeedEvil buffalor soldier |
| 18:27.43 | felipec | ZogG: no |
| 18:27.59 | ZogG | felipec wierd =) |
| 18:28.28 | Stskeeps | felipec: i'm having some odd new PSM like issues, yeah |
| 18:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems you're talking about that kind of solder you could use to etch PCBs |
| 18:28.57 | Stskeeps | felipec: on a wifi router that normally works fine with PSM |
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| 18:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heard you could also solder aluminium to grey steel sinter with it |
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| 18:31.11 | felipec | Stskeeps: PSM? |
| 18:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | or scare the oil in gulf of Mexico back under the earth |
| 18:31.53 | Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm |
| 18:31.54 | infobot | somebody said wifi-psm was http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 18:32.49 | ZogG | PMS |
| 18:33.00 | ZogG | ~pms |
| 18:33.01 | infobot | They Call it PMS because mad-cow disease was already taken |
| 18:33.24 | Lantizia | Am I supposed to be able to get 1.2 ota? |
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| 18:33.42 | Lantizia | It just keeps telling me to use the Nokia PC Suite... which is impossible as I don't use windows |
| 18:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: 1) see topic |
| 18:34.06 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 18:34.07 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: 2) you don't need windows to use flasher tool |
| 18:34.19 | Lantizia | I don't want to flash it |
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| 18:34.24 | Lantizia | I want it to fucking upgrade |
| 18:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: 3) see topic |
| 18:34.36 | lcuk | it will try to OTA but sometimes isnt possible |
| 18:34.47 | ZogG | Lantizia flash it |
| 18:34.53 | Lantizia | No way! |
| 18:35.03 | Lantizia | It's not long back I put the last update on via flashing |
| 18:35.09 | Lantizia | I have to repartition the thing every time |
| 18:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu Lantizia |
| 18:35.13 | infobot | ACTION lovingly explains to Lantizia in a way that causes Lantizia to weep with gratitude that Lantizia must read the fine, friendly manual |
| 18:35.15 | microlith | err |
| 18:35.17 | lcuk | repartition? |
| 18:35.20 | microlith | Lantizia: you repartitioned your device? |
| 18:35.22 | Lantizia | yes |
| 18:35.27 | microlith | well no wonder it won't work |
| 18:35.31 | Lantizia | It works just fine |
| 18:35.36 | lcuk | sure it does |
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| 18:35.40 | ZogG | haha |
| 18:35.42 | Lantizia | yes it does |
| 18:35.50 | Lantizia | I give /home more space for optified packages |
| 18:35.56 | lcuk | but once you go root, technically you are unsupportable, how does nokia or anyone know what you have done |
| 18:35.56 | Lantizia | MyDocs gets 16gb |
| 18:36.18 | tuliobaars | people! hey! is there any way to tell peolple about my nit blog? to divulgate |
| 18:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | messing with partitions frequently renders OTA nonfunct |
| 18:36.42 | lcuk | you can try some methods and if you find a decent way to upgrade then post about it on the wiki |
| 18:36.51 | lcuk | but dont cry because we cant automagically know everything you did |
| 18:37.00 | Stskeeps | tuliobaars: ask to be included to maemo planet |
| 18:37.05 | Lantizia | Umm I re-arranged some paritions... but whoop |
| 18:37.05 | Stskeeps | er, maemo.org planet |
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| 18:37.09 | Lantizia | there is nothing more to it |
| 18:37.18 | Lantizia | If anything there is more room available for an upgrade |
| 18:37.19 | lcuk | obviously there is |
| 18:37.20 | tuliobaars | waht's maemo palnet? |
| 18:37.24 | Stskeeps | tuliobaars: planet.maemo.org |
| 18:37.27 | Lantizia | lcuk: your a dick |
| 18:37.29 | lcuk | else it would let you |
| 18:37.44 | ZogG | tuliobaars give me url |
| 18:37.44 | lcuk | Lantizia, sure :) |
| 18:37.46 | Lantizia | when I say it's been repartitioned - theres nothing more else to tell |
| 18:37.51 | tuliobaars | ohh, and how can I do that? |
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| 18:37.54 | Lantizia | it works and it has been working for months |
| 18:37.55 | microlith | Lantizia: Nokia's updates expect a certain layout, if you wander outside that you're on your own |
| 18:38.02 | RST38bis | Doc: guess so, thanks |
| 18:38.08 | lcuk | thats probably not the reason tbh |
| 18:38.21 | Lantizia | this is stupid, so much for an open distribution |
| 18:38.32 | lcuk | this is open |
| 18:38.33 | tuliobaars | ttablet.blogspot.com, and it doens nave an english version (i'm working in one) and a good domain name |
| 18:38.36 | ZogG | Lantizia most people couldn't upgrade, so they tried NSU and still couldn't do it, so they flashed, just go straight to flash |
| 18:38.38 | lcuk | you did what you wanted |
| 18:38.46 | lcuk | now help diagnose why it went wrong |
| 18:38.49 | Stskeeps | tuliobaars: twitter or talk.maemo.org i gues |
| 18:39.13 | Lantizia | ZogG: I have to install my the apps and re-enable all the extra repos'a and it'll take forevereeeeerrr |
| 18:39.14 | lcuk | that sounds quite open to me Lantizia |
| 18:39.14 | tuliobaars | ok |
| 18:39.24 | lcuk | Lantizia, the backup tool does all that for you |
| 18:39.30 | lcuk | :) |
| 18:39.33 | tuliobaars | is there any way to contact the webbmasters? |
| 18:39.33 | Lantizia | not the apps it doesn't |
| 18:39.36 | lcuk | but you dont listen to us or read anything |
| 18:39.37 | ZogG | Lantizia repos would be ever, apps would take some time |
| 18:39.52 | Lantizia | lcuk your a complete retard |
| 18:40.06 | microlith | Lantizia: if you're going to wander in here and start insulting people, I see no reason anyone should help you |
| 18:40.19 | sx0n|home | Lantizia: watch your language pls |
| 18:40.20 | ZogG | Lantizia but as lcuk backup would do it automagicly, juts fix etra-dev repo beforem it woudl addd -1.2 in the end |
| 18:40.40 | Lantizia | in english? |
| 18:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: to me your bitching starts to sound quite like trolling |
| 18:40.56 | ZogG | Lantizia it does. you restore and it would redownload and reinstall them |
| 18:40.57 | jaska | indeed |
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| 18:42.09 | ZogG | Lantizia anyway if you think you are smarter, don't ask us ) |
| 18:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: and the next insult will earn you a kick |
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| 18:44.38 | Lantizia | Yes, I have been saving up |
| 18:45.04 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer you just promise =((( |
| 18:45.19 | MohammadAG | nope, he delivers too |
| 18:45.19 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.26 | MohammadAG | told ya |
| 18:45.30 | *** mode/#maemo [-v ZogG] by DocScrutinizer |
| 18:45.32 | Lantizia | That wasn't an insult |
| 18:45.48 | MohammadAG | calling someone a retard is an insult |
| 18:45.57 | Lantizia | Oh sure that is |
| 18:45.57 | microlith | anyway |
| 18:46.15 | Lantizia | I still stand by it however, for completely failing to see my point |
| 18:46.16 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 18:46.16 | lcuk | and its the first time ive been called a dick in a while. |
| 18:46.33 | microlith | I'm guessing the Application Manager will log messages regarding a failed on-device upgrade? |
| 18:46.45 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer oh, i feel nacked |
| 18:47.06 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, to be honest I would've glined you, alas, it's not my server |
| 18:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: consider your 'point' maybe is so fuzzy nobody can see it |
| 18:47.17 | Stskeeps | wonders why we had +v's in the first place, excepting infobot |
| 18:47.37 | ZogG | lcuk, so what? i'm called dick everyday and even from friends, i take as compliment =) it's nice to be special |
| 18:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: we hadn't |
| 18:47.47 | Lantizia | I'm just angry that the N900 doesn't have the freedom it was touted it would have |
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| 18:48.09 | Lantizia | At the end of the day it is still a device under the thumb of Nokia, just as bad as an iPhone |
| 18:48.12 | lcuk | Lantizia, what freedom dont you have? you changed it as you like |
| 18:48.17 | microlith | Lantizia: completely false |
| 18:48.20 | microlith | now then |
| 18:48.21 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 18:48.23 | microlith | application manager logs |
| 18:48.25 | microlith | please |
| 18:48.42 | lcuk | theOTA upgrade using the normal path doesnt like it, try using some other mathods you might know |
| 18:48.48 | xDaReaperx | hmm more arguments going on about the N900 ? |
| 18:48.50 | Lantizia | It's not false, they refuse to give 100% of the code away - a major part, the phone part - they won't give up |
| 18:48.56 | Lantizia | So now we are forced to go MeeGo |
| 18:48.58 | frals | Stskeeps: real ircd's allow devoice even if the user didnt have +v ;) |
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| 18:49.01 | microlith | Lantizia: that isn't anywhere near as closed as the iPhone |
| 18:49.02 | Stskeeps | frals: shush, i knew that |
| 18:49.03 | Stskeeps | ;P |
| 18:49.08 | frals | ;D |
| 18:49.11 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 18:49.16 | microlith | Lantizia: now do you want to solve your problem or give us shit over nokia's decisions? |
| 18:49.19 | MohammadAG | Umm |
| 18:49.23 | Lantizia | For an update we are forced to use the Nokia PC Suite... which forces the use of Windows... so instead we have to resort to a total reflash |
| 18:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm reeeeealy tempted... |
| 18:49.27 | MohammadAG | does MeeGo even have the phone part open source? |
| 18:49.34 | microlith | MohammadAG: oFono, iirc |
| 18:49.36 | Stskeeps | Lantizia: did you read the pages docscrutinizer pointed to? it explains reasons for the error you're experieincing |
| 18:49.37 | frals | err, pc suite reflashes the device doesnt it? |
| 18:49.38 | Lantizia | Mohammed - apparently |
| 18:49.44 | xDaReaperx | I bought the N900 , but i did not get the Nokia PC suit kit with it |
| 18:49.45 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: sure, we're slowly but firmly getting there. |
| 18:49.49 | Lantizia | frals - I think it updates it |
| 18:49.50 | frals | just in a user friendly gui |
| 18:49.53 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: ofono plugins, etc |
| 18:49.57 | xDaReaperx | so now when i connect the USB cable , i can't connect using PC suit mode |
| 18:50.03 | MohammadAG | stands corrected then |
| 18:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: and I TOLD YA you DO NOT NEED windows to use flasher tool |
| 18:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | so STFU |
| 18:50.13 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 18:50.14 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:50.19 | microlith | doesn't even have Nokia PC Suite |
| 18:50.20 | Lantizia | DocS: I KNOW that ... I don't care about reflashing |
| 18:50.22 | lcuk | microlith, just a mo, theres a menu item for it but i cant remember where the file is stored or if it will even retain the info you need |
| 18:50.26 | Lantizia | I said updating... there is a freaking difference |
| 18:50.37 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, if you f up the system it won't upgrade |
| 18:50.41 | xDaReaperx | well so PC suit isn't necessary ? |
| 18:50.46 | Lantizia | You accuse me of not reding, well I accuse you back |
| 18:50.49 | *** part/#maemo bennypr0fane (~bennypr0f@vie-078-142-166-190.dsl.sil.at) |
| 18:50.52 | MohammadAG | particularly following the dpkg -i --force-all 'advice' that was given on the forums |
| 18:51.06 | frals | Lantizia: im quite certain that the pc suite "upgrade" is a reflash |
| 18:51.08 | lcuk | Lantizia, as a console master, have you tried apt and seeing what problems it gives |
| 18:51.10 | MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, not at all |
| 18:51.12 | lcuk | and seeing what the reason is |
| 18:51.14 | Lantizia | My system isn't f-cked up |
| 18:51.15 | lcuk | instead of whining |
| 18:51.16 | MohammadAG | frals, it is |
| 18:51.17 | microlith | frals: he's repartitioned his device |
| 18:51.20 | Lantizia | it works just fine |
| 18:51.37 | Stskeeps | chances are he just has a gles1 app and running into that problem. |
| 18:51.44 | lcuk | yeah Stskeeps |
| 18:51.44 | MohammadAG | that too |
| 18:51.47 | Stskeeps | hence |
| 18:51.49 | Stskeeps | go read the topic |
| 18:51.51 | lcuk | or rootfs space |
| 18:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | kanso if you dan't care about flashing, then why the hell are you bitching about nokia suite? |
| 18:52.00 | frals | i would expect someone who repartitioned his device to be able to do apt-get dist-upgrade and read the bloody error |
| 18:52.05 | xDaReaperx | Well when i connect the USB cable , and when i choose mass storage mode , at times my mobile charges automatically , but at times it says insufficient power to charge and i'm not able to transfer files form my Memory card to my N900 it fails to transfer and give some x... error code |
| 18:52.08 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, just wondering, is the libgles package back in -devel? |
| 18:52.20 | Lantizia | When I say repartitioned... I mean properly... as in completely fdisk'd |
| 18:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: if you dan't care about flashing, then why the hell are you bitching about nokia suite? |
| 18:52.29 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no clue, i believe jeremiah still has his last day tommorow, ask him :P |
| 18:52.32 | Lantizia | No silly sudo partitions mounted from files |
| 18:52.49 | MohammadAG | Insufficient power means the PC isn't supplying enough power |
| 18:52.55 | Lantizia | DocS: because that appears to be the only way to upgrade rather than reflash |
| 18:52.59 | MohammadAG | or you f'd up bme (talking from experience :P) |
| 18:53.06 | frals | the advantage irc has over real life is there is a sufficiently good way of completly ignoring someone <3 |
| 18:53.19 | xDaReaperx | i never did anything , my PC is running on power saver ... maybe thats the reason ? |
| 18:53.24 | xDaReaperx | its a Laptop |
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| 18:53.25 | MohammadAG | types /ignore frals ALL |
| 18:53.44 | MohammadAG | Disconnect all other USB devices |
| 18:53.51 | MohammadAG | not sure if power saver limits USB power |
| 18:53.58 | MohammadAG | I've never used it when I had windows |
| 18:54.01 | xDaReaperx | hmm , okay |
| 18:54.15 | xDaReaperx | well i need to transfer videos from my old phone's memory card to my N900 |
| 18:54.19 | xDaReaperx | so i'm doing it this way |
| 18:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | sighs and heads away. ping me if you need a kickban |
| 18:54.24 | MohammadAG | switch to high performance and check if it works |
| 18:54.25 | xDaReaperx | but it dosent help |
| 18:54.30 | pupnik | how about an alarm if n900 uses more than 300 ma for a minute straight |
| 18:54.31 | xDaReaperx | okay i'll try |
| 18:54.46 | pupnik | or 250 |
| 18:54.49 | MohammadAG | or 1 |
| 18:55.03 | Lantizia | is there a compass or a decibal metre for the n900? |
| 18:55.04 | MohammadAG | Oh wait, that's what the breathing light's for :P |
| 18:55.07 | MohammadAG | no |
| 18:55.10 | Lantizia | i couldn't find either on the repo's |
| 18:55.16 | MohammadAG | decibel meter? |
| 18:55.20 | xDaReaperx | well can the N900 charge from one USB cable and at the same time transfer huge files ? |
| 18:55.21 | Lantizia | yeah that :) |
| 18:55.25 | MohammadAG | arecord -vvv /dev/null |
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| 18:55.39 | MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, it can here |
| 18:55.44 | Lantizia | and that tells you in dB does it? |
| 18:55.45 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay |
| 18:55.52 | MohammadAG | not sure |
| 18:56.08 | Lantizia | give answers, not guesses |
| 18:56.16 | MohammadAG | go try it yourself... |
| 18:56.18 | Lantizia | when giving guesses, say that they are a guess |
| 18:56.25 | Lantizia | instead of pissing people of |
| 18:56.26 | xDaReaperx | well does your N900 use up 130 -140 MB OF RAM always ? |
| 18:56.31 | xDaReaperx | even when no app is running |
| 18:56.36 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 18:56.39 | MohammadAG | sigh, a troll's a troll |
| 18:56.40 | Lantizia | yay! |
| 18:56.48 | *** mode/#maemo [+q Lantizia!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 18:58.04 | xDaReaperx | does it ? |
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| 18:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: probably yes |
| 18:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: there's a lot of stuff preloaded |
| 18:58.47 | xDaReaperx | why is the OS eating up so much RAM ? |
| 18:59.01 | xDaReaperx | how many apps in total can it run ? |
| 18:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | browser, phoneapps |
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| 18:59.08 | xDaReaperx | i thoguht it had a total of 1 GB RAM |
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| 18:59.15 | xDaReaperx | as said on the Nokia's site |
| 18:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 18:59.18 | Stskeeps | xDaReaperx: 256mb ram, 768mb swap |
| 18:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | 256 ram |
| 18:59.25 | xDaReaperx | hmm whats swap ? |
| 18:59.25 | Stskeeps | which, technically, is RAM.. |
| 18:59.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:59.31 | Stskeeps | xDaReaperx: virtual memory |
| 18:59.40 | xDaReaperx | oh so dosent that add up and work together ? |
| 18:59.47 | Stskeeps | it does add up |
| 18:59.53 | xDaReaperx | oh okay |
| 19:00.05 | xDaReaperx | anyways after updating to PR 1.2 everything was running so slow |
| 19:00.16 | Stskeeps | probably the thumbnailer going nuts |
| 19:00.20 | Stskeeps | and rethumbnailing things |
| 19:00.21 | xDaReaperx | after rebooting 4-5 times it became alright |
| 19:00.31 | xDaReaperx | well i bought it 2 days back only |
| 19:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | will take 3 h to finish, then everything is fine again :-) |
| 19:00.38 | Stskeeps | got a lot of media? :P |
| 19:00.39 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, tracker reindexing media |
| 19:00.41 | MohammadAG | yeah, the thumbnailer is a bit bit**y |
| 19:00.45 | MohammadAG | that too |
| 19:00.47 | lcuk | it wouldv gotten faster without the reboots ;) |
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| 19:01.01 | xDaReaperx | well hmm anyways thats fixed now |
| 19:01.06 | xDaReaperx | i had no media on it when i updated |
| 19:01.14 | xDaReaperx | totally new |
| 19:01.25 | lcuk | totally new device comes with a load of media |
| 19:01.31 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 19:01.51 | xDaReaperx | well i dunno i had only 2 videos pre added and few pics |
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| 19:01.59 | lcuk | and the music |
| 19:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | and indexer is a greedy pile of BS |
| 19:02.18 | xDaReaperx | well i dunno a lot about linux |
| 19:02.23 | xDaReaperx | so whats an indexer ? lol |
| 19:02.33 | lcuk | it um indexes stuff |
| 19:02.44 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 19:02.51 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | it's like desktop search, or the spotlight thing in apple |
| 19:02.55 | xDaReaperx | well if i sudo gainroot can i install java ? |
| 19:03.04 | luke-jr | indexer = stupid |
| 19:03.16 | luke-jr | should be built into the filesystem <.< |
| 19:03.22 | xDaReaperx | oh hmm okay |
| 19:03.32 | xDaReaperx | cause i saw elsewhere , that someone did so |
| 19:03.34 | xDaReaperx | i dunno why |
| 19:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | should be nuked completely |
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| 19:04.00 | xDaReaperx | so guys what are the things that need improvement on maemo platform ? |
| 19:04.03 | xDaReaperx | according to you |
| 19:04.05 | lcuk | nahh it has its uses |
| 19:04.10 | luke-jr | Maemo is dead |
| 19:04.14 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 19:04.23 | *** part/#maemo trofi_ (~slyfox@178.125.36.112) |
| 19:04.28 | Stskeeps | more open source |
| 19:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: not the ones it is abused for in maemo |
| 19:04.33 | Stskeeps | ie, 97%, not 43% |
| 19:04.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:04.36 | pupnik | i keep hitting OL now instead olf O |
| 19:04.40 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: 100% -.- |
| 19:04.54 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i believe in 100% in terms of a portable system, on hw side, not so much |
| 19:05.01 | luke-jr | actually, I'd be ok with 10% as long as that 10% were the essentials |
| 19:05.03 | Stskeeps | but we all know we have different views :) |
| 19:05.25 | xDaReaperx | what all i can do when i gain root access ? |
| 19:05.28 | luke-jr | but then I guess it wouldn't be Maemo I care about |
| 19:05.31 | luke-jr | since i'd trash the other 90% |
| 19:05.33 | luke-jr | :D |
| 19:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: all |
| 19:06.12 | xDaReaperx | lol? |
| 19:08.02 | xDaReaperx | at times i notice that my WLAN disconnects automatically |
| 19:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: you're *root* when you are root. this is unix. check linux/unix essentials |
| 19:08.03 | xDaReaperx | on my N900 |
| 19:08.03 | xDaReaperx | thats kind of weird |
| 19:08.05 | pupnik | depends on the wlan ap |
| 19:08.17 | xDaReaperx | hmm the router is near to me |
| 19:08.29 | xDaReaperx | its i think having a strong signal strenght |
| 19:08.37 | tuliobaars | how can i put a notice on planet maemo? |
| 19:08.49 | Stskeeps | there's a mail you can write to |
| 19:08.57 | lcuk | tuliobaars, on planet theres a frame on the right with a link to submit your blog |
| 19:09.22 | lcuk | "Aggregate your blog" |
| 19:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | xrchange the power saving mode for your N900 wifi |
| 19:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: ^^^ |
| 19:10.48 | xDaReaperx | hmm how do i do that? |
| 19:11.00 | xDaReaperx | kind of new to the device as i said |
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| 19:11.42 | frals | settings -> internet connections -> one of the wlan ones -> settings -> go through the wizard until you get to 'advanced', then the 3rd tab lets you change power save mode |
| 19:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | settings - connections -pick one -edit - on end click additional_settings button or what it's called |
| 19:12.08 | xDaReaperx | Okay ty i'll go through it now |
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| 19:12.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, how much will meego handset be open source? |
| 19:13.22 | Stskeeps | lcuk: as far as i know, fully, if it comes from meego.com |
| 19:13.25 | xDaReaperx | okay i've set it to On(intermediate) for now |
| 19:13.41 | Stskeeps | lcuk: with exception of artwork/logo stuff and trademark compliance |
| 19:14.06 | ZogG | lcuk, but still you'll have closed drivers for devices =0) |
| 19:14.09 | lcuk | so is the expection of the 1.1 or whatever to have all its app open source? |
| 19:14.15 | lcuk | apps ^ |
| 19:14.22 | ZogG | lcuk, don't think so |
| 19:14.36 | ZogG | opensource system ~= opensource apps |
| 19:14.48 | ZogG | they would prob have meego store wth different apps |
| 19:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: after you've read the wiki and made up your mind not to troll or insult people, feel free to query any of the chanops to -q you - - - next week |
| 19:14.56 | lcuk | ZogG, sure, but thats one of hte big things Stskeeps just said he was against |
| 19:15.13 | ZogG | lcuk, which one? store or drivers? |
| 19:15.46 | lcuk | <Stskeeps> more open source |
| 19:15.46 | lcuk | <Stskeeps> ie, 97%, not 43% |
| 19:15.59 | ZogG | lcuk, i think it's about system not apps |
| 19:16.06 | ZogG | as apss not the part of the system |
| 19:16.09 | lcuk | is the 97% expected |
| 19:16.13 | lcuk | sure ZogG its easy to do that |
| 19:16.13 | ZogG | i mean file manager and everyday apps |
| 19:16.37 | ZogG | not the cool studd apss and games |
| 19:16.41 | lcuk | everyday apps on a phone are phone and mediaplayer |
| 19:16.46 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 19:16.51 | ZogG | it's not phone |
| 19:16.55 | lcuk | whats not? |
| 19:17.15 | SpeedEvil | You need enough of the system open, to allow most apps to function well within the open space. |
| 19:17.30 | ZogG | lcuk, i think you'll have basic opensource apps for every handset function, but still you would want to change half with more cool apps |
| 19:17.31 | mece | heey! What's the latest panic? |
| 19:17.33 | SpeedEvil | For most apps - i don't see major problems with maemo 5 |
| 19:17.51 | SpeedEvil | For replacing core functionality - BME - dialer - camera - there are issues |
| 19:18.03 | ZogG | lcuk, look at that that all free apss in droid would be open and all not would be closed |
| 19:18.05 | lcuk | issues with camera? |
| 19:18.10 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes |
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| 19:18.25 | xDaReaperx | yeah the camera needs more functions |
| 19:18.28 | MOUD | Hey again |
| 19:18.34 | xDaReaperx | i loved the N73's functions for the camera |
| 19:18.36 | ZogG | lcuk, i'm dyslexic and it'a hard to explain for me |
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| 19:18.54 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's not open-source - which means that any tweaks have to be forced on it. |
| 19:18.56 | lcuk | yeah ZogG you arent making it clear |
| 19:18.58 | ZogG | is there ability of n900 to make HD videos? |
| 19:19.05 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Or completely reimplemented. |
| 19:19.05 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, and im not talking about now |
| 19:19.09 | lcuk | thats hwy im asking about meego |
| 19:19.12 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:19.15 | SpeedEvil | missed that |
| 19:19.18 | lcuk | and stskeeps assertion of 97% |
| 19:19.48 | ZogG | lcuk, you know android has a lot of free official free apps, right? now think that meego would have similuar opensource apps |
| 19:19.51 | lcuk | he says principle thing is lack of open source on maemo, yet will meego be more open |
| 19:20.21 | Stskeeps | then again, who listens to me anymore |
| 19:20.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:20.24 | ZogG | lcuk, meego but not application. maybe 3rd party basic apps |
| 19:20.44 | ZogG | Stskeeps, i am, explain how it would work |
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| 19:21.31 | ZogG | my turtle is going crazy |
| 19:21.32 | lcuk | no ZogG you are using a false analogy because the apps people use on android often are closed afaik |
| 19:21.50 | Stskeeps | the meego.com platform, ie, core, UX'es and reference applications, would be open source, with some exceptions on artwork and logo/trademark stuff. |
| 19:21.55 | Stskeeps | hardware adaptations may include blobs |
| 19:21.55 | lcuk | isnt therewasnt there a big hoo haa about distributing google apps |
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| 19:22.33 | lcuk | so Stskeeps do you anticipate a working reference dialer for instance |
| 19:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | (blobs) though aiui it's a nice-to-have to get rid of then as much as possible |
| 19:22.56 | ZogG | lcuk okay, as i see it, most not freeware apps would be closed |
| 19:22.58 | lcuk | capable of being forked (whatever graphical issues ensue) and used as basis for a new project |
| 19:23.00 | Stskeeps | lcuk: without specific knowledge, yes, but people could write it on their own with ofono apis |
| 19:23.11 | lcuk | sure Stskeeps |
| 19:23.15 | ZogG | lcuk most free apps would be opensource, except maybe games |
| 19:23.25 | lcuk | people can write a new camera app using gstreamer and v4l now |
| 19:24.04 | ZogG | lcuk Stskeeps that's what i said, just didn't know the words â UX'es and reference applications =) |
| 19:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: people can even write a new dialer, using e.g pnatd, aiui |
| 19:24.30 | Stskeeps | ideally people would help write reference apps, which would turn into included apps.. |
| 19:24.31 | lcuk | sure DocScrutinizer |
| 19:24.36 | ZogG | people can make new phone =) |
| 19:25.04 | lcuk | Stskeeps, with the handset UX being already somewhere between 0.0 and 1.1 (since its release is soonish) isnt it a bit late for that stage |
| 19:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: yes, they can |
| 19:25.20 | Stskeeps | lcuk: 1.1 isn't close, afaik |
| 19:25.23 | Stskeeps | 1.1 is october |
| 19:25.28 | lcuk | thats close :) |
| 19:25.33 | lcuk | very close |
| 19:25.38 | Stskeeps | i might be wrong, but they're fucking around with the version numbers so i don't know anymore |
| 19:25.40 | ZogG | it's not for me |
| 19:25.43 | ZogG | i might die =) |
| 19:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: and you can't expect everything contributed to a open system is a FOSS app. Everybody is free to contribute closed apps |
| 19:25.47 | lcuk | yeah sure |
| 19:26.09 | pupnik | hey timeless_mbp hilighting in browser feels faster now |
| 19:26.10 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer that's what i said |
| 19:26.29 | pupnik | in fact.. it is working well :) |
| 19:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: so what. If you don't like the closed app, write an open one |
| 19:26.35 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: did you get the keyboard working? |
| 19:26.42 | pupnik | thankyouthankyou |
| 19:26.53 | lcuk | ZogG, but closed apps in the core cause problems, look at the lengths having to be gone to with just camera app here with our maemo |
| 19:26.57 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, there would people that would write apps only for profit and if you pay for app you expect it to be better than free analog so these devs have to make it better |
| 19:27.06 | pupnik | it "always" works. just that one page |
| 19:27.28 | ZogG | lcuk not in the core, they can be integrated but not included |
| 19:27.30 | timeless_mbp | which one page? |
| 19:27.52 | lcuk | ZogG, /me knows lots about integration |
| 19:28.02 | lcuk | -zogg |
| 19:28.02 | ZogG | lcuk, like ubuntu, it has only open drivers but that you addd repo and add nvidia drivers |
| 19:28.23 | ZogG | ± ZogG |
| 19:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG+-+-- |
| 19:29.00 | ZogG | ._. |
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| 19:29.56 | ZogG | lcuk, i think mostly we are talking about the same thing but don't full y understand eachother |
| 19:30.10 | ZogG | ~hug lcuk |
| 19:30.11 | infobot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs lcuk |
| 19:33.23 | xDaReaperx | no anti viruses for maemo? |
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| 19:34.14 | ZogG | xDaReaperx not yrt |
| 19:34.16 | ZogG | why? |
| 19:34.25 | jacekowski | to stop viruses |
| 19:34.32 | xDaReaperx | incase of malware attacks and that ^^ |
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| 19:35.03 | jacekowski | firefox has a lot of holes |
| 19:35.14 | jacekowski | and can be exploited |
| 19:35.30 | xDaReaperx | yeah |
| 19:35.45 | xDaReaperx | isn't it firefox 3.5 |
| 19:35.49 | xDaReaperx | in real? |
| 19:35.51 | ZogG | you can try to port linux antiviruces |
| 19:35.53 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, by default to get an app on your device, a user has to signup for extras upload rights, create the app, put it in devel, put it to testing, get it past an angry group of barking enthusiasts and can be pulled at any time |
| 19:35.58 | ZogG | viruses |
| 19:36.00 | lcuk | or use ovi |
| 19:36.05 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 19:36.16 | jacekowski | lcuk: so, firefox can be exploited from remote |
| 19:36.21 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 19:36.25 | ZogG | <lcuk> or use ovi | hahaha |
| 19:36.41 | jacekowski | lcuk: probably all browsers on maemo can be exploited |
| 19:36.46 | lcuk | sure |
| 19:36.47 | pupnik | "angry group of barking enthusiasts" :) |
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| 19:37.00 | ZogG | my turtle is going crazy |
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| 19:37.06 | lcuk | pupnik, testing squad are cool :D |
| 19:37.13 | lcuk | its for a damned good reason |
| 19:37.35 | jacekowski | flash can be exploited |
| 19:37.51 | xDaReaperx | yep |
| 19:37.54 | lcuk | sure |
| 19:37.59 | ZogG | jacekowski that's why we don't get 10.1 |
| 19:38.05 | ZogG | :D |
| 19:38.29 | lcuk | jacekowski, anything can, but try running virus.exe or any of the normal shell code here |
| 19:38.33 | lcuk | arm != x86 |
| 19:38.37 | jacekowski | so? |
| 19:38.37 | luke-jr | I'm licensing everything of mine under the strict open-source license |
| 19:38.45 | jacekowski | there is lot of arm shellcodes |
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| 19:38.52 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 19:38.53 | luke-jr | if you want to copy it, you have to agree to open every piece of code you ever write |
| 19:38.55 | luke-jr | :D |
| 19:39.02 | xDaReaperx | thats a good idea |
| 19:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how much of an exploit a vulnerability in browser actually would create - given the fact the user user can't even start a ping |
| 19:40.22 | Stskeeps | depends if he has gainroot installed or not |
| 19:40.25 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | obvously |
| 19:40.35 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: enough to steal all user data |
| 19:40.42 | luke-jr | the user can't install gainroot? ;) |
| 19:40.43 | xDaReaperx | wait u can ping on maemo ? |
| 19:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | which is insane the way it is set up by default |
| 19:41.05 | ZogG | lcuk anything you can advice me to read to start coding on c++ on QT? |
| 19:41.14 | luke-jr | ZogG: C++ or Qt. Pick one. |
| 19:41.17 | xDaReaperx | hmm asks on ping : are you root ? |
| 19:41.29 | lcuk | ZogG, sure, search google for qt |
| 19:41.52 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, yeah they had to lock ping down! |
| 19:42.02 | ZogG | luke-jr isn't its C++ i write code while developing QT ? |c++ or python or whatever |
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| 19:42.09 | luke-jr | ZogG: Qt is its own language |
| 19:42.10 | xDaReaperx | actually i am able to ping after sudo gainroot |
| 19:42.13 | luke-jr | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/tutorials.html |
| 19:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: surprise surprise |
| 19:42.28 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, yeah thats what root does |
| 19:42.37 | luke-jr | ZogG: it is compatible with C++, so you can mix the two, but it's just silly to do that unless you're porting an old C++ app |
| 19:42.38 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay |
| 19:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-30 21:07:07] <DocScrutinizer> xDaReaperx: you're *root* when you are root. this is unix. check linux/unix essentials |
| 19:42.51 | xDaReaperx | thats cool |
| 19:42.54 | xDaReaperx | :D |
| 19:42.59 | xDaReaperx | yeah you were right |
| 19:43.01 | xDaReaperx | hehe |
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| 19:43.14 | ZogG | luke-jr so i can write QT without knowledge of C++ ? |
| 19:43.15 | xDaReaperx | what about telnet ? |
| 19:43.18 | xDaReaperx | is it possible ? |
| 19:43.21 | luke-jr | ZogG: sure |
| 19:43.30 | ZogG | luke-jr, thanks |
| 19:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: sure |
| 19:43.48 | luke-jr | xDaReaperx: telnet is obsolete |
| 19:43.49 | ZogG | lucent, i thought in different way =) |
| 19:43.57 | xDaReaperx | hmm oaky |
| 19:44.00 | xDaReaperx | okay * |
| 19:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep, but *possible* |
| 19:44.26 | johnsq | ZogG: most c++ developer write c++ without using it features. |
| 19:44.28 | ZogG | what about attacks over bluetooth or wifi? |
| 19:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | though probably a sane persn would prefer ssh for normal purposes |
| 19:44.42 | ZogG | johnsq you mean QT features? |
| 19:44.55 | johnsq | ZogG: no c++. |
| 19:45.06 | ZogG | johnsq, sounds wierd =) |
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| 19:45.49 | xDaReaperx | hmm yeah it is possible to dns poison using wifi |
| 19:46.08 | xDaReaperx | so it leads you to phishing sites |
| 19:46.19 | luke-jr | only if your DNS setup is crap |
| 19:46.24 | n900-dk | hates Tom Dooley... Why can't people listen to normal music |
| 19:46.37 | xDaReaperx | well maybe , or maybe if you have a crappy firewall |
| 19:46.47 | xDaReaperx | i wonder if maemo has a firewall lol |
| 19:46.53 | goodwill | I am trying to install cpp on N900 itself ... but even though I have the repository added correctly it is unable to locate the package. |
| 19:47.07 | goodwill | The package itself is in the repository |
| 19:47.14 | goodwill | anyone know why? |
| 19:47.28 | luke-jr | goodwill: cpp? really? |
| 19:47.34 | ZogG | i just wanna try to write widget for xmms2 for maemo |
| 19:47.34 | luke-jr | do you know what cpp is? |
| 19:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: still I got telnet installed on my n900 as my router has no other fullsize configuration interface |
| 19:47.43 | goodwill | luke-jr: c++ ? |
| 19:47.47 | luke-jr | goodwill: no |
| 19:47.47 | pupnik | gcc-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb |
| 19:47.50 | ZogG | luke-jr see plus plus? |
| 19:47.54 | luke-jr | goodwill: C PreProcessor |
| 19:47.57 | goodwill | ah |
| 19:48.09 | luke-jr | the C++ compiler is called G++ |
| 19:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: also comes handy to check pop3/whatever servers on the lowest level |
| 19:48.22 | goodwill | luke-jr: one way or another is that I need for gcc compilation on the phone |
| 19:48.52 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: socat |
| 19:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: valid point |
| 19:49.24 | luke-jr | telnet isn't the lowest level |
| 19:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | alas the cmdline options are mindboggling |
| 19:49.28 | luke-jr | it's just a different level |
| 19:49.32 | goodwill | luke-jr: any ideas why I can not apt-get from the repo? |
| 19:49.38 | luke-jr | socat stdio TCP:remotehost:port |
| 19:49.55 | luke-jr | goodwill: the repo probably doesn't have it |
| 19:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: thanks :-)) |
| 19:50.14 | goodwill | luke-jr: I check the server itself ... it does ... |
| 19:50.23 | xDaReaperx | hey is there any command to reboot the phone ? |
| 19:50.26 | luke-jr | goodwill: the server might, but the server has multiple repos |
| 19:50.31 | luke-jr | xDaReaperx: reboot |
| 19:50.36 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 19:50.37 | xDaReaperx | k |
| 19:50.40 | luke-jr | xDaReaperx: also, it's not a phone |
| 19:50.43 | goodwill | luke-jr: I am able to pull other bits fromt eh repo ... |
| 19:50.49 | xDaReaperx | yeah internet tablet |
| 19:50.55 | xDaReaperx | or so lol |
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| 19:52.33 | goodwill | luke-jr: I am able to manually download and install the package ... I just find its odd that its not part of the repo |
| 19:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually replacing the somewhat braindead config'd sudo by a osso-su would make up a nice little project |
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| 19:53.35 | luke-jr | ... |
| 19:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | the kind of X-su that pops up a requester to ask for the root pwd |
| 19:53.42 | luke-jr | su is obsolete |
| 19:53.48 | luke-jr | just configure sudo right |
| 19:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 19:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | and which requester will it rise to get he passwd? |
| 19:54.54 | xDaReaperx | well does the n900 most of the time run at 250 MHZ ? |
| 19:55.22 | luke-jr | I would think 0 Hz |
| 19:55.31 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 19:55.48 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
| 19:55.59 | xDaReaperx | anyways of finding out the frequency it runs at ? |
| 19:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: OMAP has a zero-clock feature |
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| 19:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: powertop is nice for that |
| 19:56.33 | xDaReaperx | hmmm okay |
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| 19:58.45 | xDaReaperx | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state |
| 19:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: every other app would probably read out whatever /sys/* while the own process keeps the CPU busy, so results aren't worth much |
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| 19:59.10 | xDaReaperx | Hmmm okay |
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| 20:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: or that :-) |
| 20:01.24 | xDaReaperx | is it OMAP 3530 ? |
| 20:01.37 | xDaReaperx | or something lower |
| 20:01.51 | goodwill | does anyone know what is the difference between: cpp-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5_armel.deb and cpp-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb |
| 20:01.58 | goodwill | one is 13 and the other is 9 |
| 20:02.08 | goodwill | is that supposed to be versioning? |
| 20:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware ;-) |
| 20:03.22 | xDaReaperx | ty |
| 20:03.23 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay OMAP3430 |
| 20:03.40 | lcuk | goodwill, that is versioning |
| 20:03.45 | frals | hmm |
| 20:03.51 | frals | how would you say |
| 20:03.51 | frals | Would you like me to terminate your current connection and connect to the correct one for fetching the MMS? |
| 20:03.55 | frals | in correct english? |
| 20:03.56 | goodwill | lcuk: and I am assuming 13 is the latest? |
| 20:04.09 | lcuk | that would be logical |
| 20:04.26 | frals | timeless_mbp: ping |
| 20:04.34 | lcuk | btw goodwill its trivial to "apt-get install build-essential" if you really want |
| 20:04.40 | lcuk | default flash has enough space by default |
| 20:05.03 | timeless_mbp | pong |
| 20:05.14 | goodwill | lcuk: says no such package |
| 20:05.19 | frals | timeless_mbp: "Would you like me to terminate your current connection and connect to the correct one for fetching the MMS?" in correct english, please :) |
| 20:05.30 | timeless_mbp | please hold |
| 20:05.50 | goodwill | lcuk: I can not see to find an easy way to set up gcc and make and there up on the phone |
| 20:05.55 | xDaReaperx | what does cat /proc/mem actually do ? |
| 20:05.56 | lcuk | then goodwill which repositories have you got, the maemo sdk and maemo tools repositories are the only additional ones i get |
| 20:05.56 | timeless_mbp | To retrieve the MMS your activate connection will need to be dropped. Switch connection? |
| 20:06.05 | lcuk | add those 2 repositories and the command is simple |
| 20:06.10 | Stskeeps | 'your activate connection'? |
| 20:06.11 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 20:06.14 | timeless_mbp | some commas are probably required |
| 20:06.34 | goodwill | lcuk: is maemo sdk repo safe to install on the device itself? |
| 20:06.39 | timeless_mbp | To retrieve the MMS your active connection will need to changed. Switch connection? |
| 20:06.44 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: thanks |
| 20:06.52 | timeless_mbp | i still think there's a comma required |
| 20:07.00 | jacekowski | goodwill: phone will not explode |
| 20:07.14 | goodwill | jacekowski: well that good to hear |
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| 20:07.20 | lcuk | goodwill, its a repository of software used to create the software on your phone |
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| 20:07.25 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:07.46 | frals | timeless_mbp: ty |
| 20:07.46 | jacekowski | development version of it |
| 20:07.50 | goodwill | lcuk: I was just wondering about that warning: "These repositories are meant to be used with apt-get only within the SDK environment." |
| 20:08.01 | frals | is trying to sort out transifex |
| 20:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: /proc/mem is killing your device most probably whenever you dare to touch it |
| 20:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: well, not device, just system |
| 20:08.23 | xDaReaperx | oh okay |
| 20:08.28 | xDaReaperx | so this will increase CPU usage ? |
| 20:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | it will probably cause a kernel panic |
| 20:08.54 | goodwill | lcuk: would you be kind enough to give the exact "deb" line to add the sdk repos? |
| 20:09.00 | lcuk | goodwill, you are the one trying to add compiler to the device |
| 20:09.10 | goodwill | lcuk: yes |
| 20:09.34 | xDaReaperx | oh ok |
| 20:09.40 | lcuk | the repository informaiton is around and you have it |
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| 20:10.59 | vdv | hi all |
| 20:11.22 | vdv | who knows is there any channel devoted to maemo5 and n900? |
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| 20:12.30 | goodwill | ah there we go |
| 20:12.40 | goodwill | lcuk: got it ... thanks for all your help |
| 20:13.43 | frals | need more help; "%dMB file size limit on attachments, please select another file." "Please make sure your settings are correct" |
| 20:14.49 | frals | and "Invalid attachment" |
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| 20:17.01 | frals | timeless_mbp: ^ if you have time :) |
| 20:17.08 | goodwill | hehehe |
| 20:17.20 | goodwill | build-essentials ate up like 30mb on rootfs |
| 20:17.27 | lcuk | only 30mb |
| 20:17.43 | timeless_mbp | please hold |
| 20:17.48 | GAN900 | hates those ugly Mappero buttons. |
| 20:18.03 | Corsac | would really like maep to be able to drop a pin |
| 20:18.08 | timeless_mbp | frals: wait |
| 20:18.12 | timeless_mbp | please explain the limit |
| 20:18.20 | timeless_mbp | is it a per file limit or a per message limit? |
| 20:18.45 | frals | per file limit, it shows up when a user attempts to select a file thats over X |
| 20:19.11 | timeless_mbp | Attachment is too large (limit is %d MB) |
| 20:19.42 | timeless_mbp | Please check your settings |
| 20:19.52 | timeless_mbp | --- |
| 20:19.57 | timeless_mbp | what made the attachment invalid? |
| 20:20.03 | timeless_mbp | do you only support certain file types? |
| 20:20.19 | frals | yeah |
| 20:20.27 | timeless_mbp | which types? |
| 20:21.00 | frals | or rather, its a general catch-all message when something fucked up with attaching the file to the message |
| 20:21.08 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 20:21.18 | timeless_mbp | Couldn't attach file. |
| 20:21.56 | LiraNuna | * GAN900 hates those ugly Mappero buttons. |
| 20:22.00 | LiraNuna | I thought I'm the only one |
| 20:22.03 | frals | ty :) |
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| 20:26.21 | goodwill | interesting |
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| 20:26.34 | goodwill | pkg-config does not know about calendar-backend |
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| 20:28.56 | GAN900 | Anybody want to give me a list of notable application releases or updates from the past week? |
| 20:29.03 | GAN900 | Minus fMMS and Mappero. |
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| 20:29.56 | GAN900 | jgombos strikes again! |
| 20:30.18 | frals | GAN900: i think witter added rotation support today |
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| 20:34.17 | felipec | Stskeeps: I disabled PSM completely |
| 20:34.23 | felipec | the network still disconnects |
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| 20:35.03 | quitte | does maemo run on top of x? |
| 20:35.15 | MohammadAG | sure |
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| 20:35.56 | felipec | I'm wondering if it's related to usbnetwork |
| 20:38.15 | astruasdh | is it possible to install python on my maemo? I did not found python on the list of possible packages to install... |
| 20:39.35 | lcuk | astruasdh, python on its own isnt really a user level app |
| 20:39.47 | lcuk | but sure, python is available, try something like healthcheck which is written in pyqt |
| 20:39.51 | lcuk | or fmms which is pygtk |
| 20:39.56 | lcuk | or hermes |
| 20:40.02 | lcuk | or one of many apps |
| 20:40.09 | MohammadAG | Setting up sudo (1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5) ... |
| 20:40.09 | MohammadAG | Updating sudoers |
| 20:40.09 | MohammadAG | /usr/sbin/update-sudoers: line 45: /usr/sbin/visudo: No such file or directory |
| 20:40.09 | MohammadAG | /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers |
| 20:40.09 | MohammadAG | dpkg: error processing sudo (--configure): |
| 20:40.10 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.13 | MohammadAG | any suggestions? |
| 20:41.21 | lcuk | you busted it again |
| 20:41.25 | astruasdh | lcuk, ya, I asked it because I wrote some python apps that I wanna run on my nokia n900 |
| 20:41.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, sadly |
| 20:41.34 | astruasdh | ty |
| 20:41.53 | lcuk | astruasdh, so package them up, add python as dependency and all is good with the world |
| 20:42.05 | TomaszD | heh, didn't know there was Garnet VM for the N900 |
| 20:42.09 | TomaszD | very nice |
| 20:43.38 | MohammadAG | oh crap |
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| 20:43.46 | astruasdh | lcuk, ya, but the problem is that the "python" interpreter is not installed... |
| 20:43.47 | MohammadAG | I forced the unmount of / |
| 20:44.09 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5:~$ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 / |
| 20:44.09 | MohammadAG | mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist |
| 20:44.13 | MohammadAG | Am I fooked? |
| 20:44.20 | Chiku | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 58404 Apr 17 2009 visudo |
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| 20:44.24 | MOUD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.44 | MohammadAG | No |
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| 20:45.02 | lcuk | astruasdh, sure so either use the command line or install something that requires python |
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| 20:45.11 | MOUD | why not? |
| 20:47.03 | astruasdh | lcuk, ahhh got it! the apt-get front-end does not show me all available, just more high level apps... is it? is it possible to apt-cache search python, for examle? |
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| 20:47.33 | lcuk | astruasdh, sure it is |
| 20:47.35 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:48.11 | astruasdh | tyvm! :) |
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| 20:54.14 | goodwill | can some who has scratchbox running run this: "pkg-config calendar-backend --libs" and tell me if they get any output |
| 20:55.51 | GAN900 | is working himself up to mouth-foam levels summarizing the past week. |
| 21:03.27 | GAN900 | What was the name of the thread Eero wrote about the PR1.2 delays in |
| 21:03.30 | GAN900 | ? |
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| 21:09.59 | pupnik | it is on mwkn GAN900 |
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| 21:15.04 | GAN900 | pupnik, is it? |
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| 21:15.35 | GAN900 | always has to recheck the previous weeks' issues for dupes. |
| 21:15.43 | tuliobaars | how can i put my Maemo Blog URL on maemo planet? |
| 21:16.02 | GAN900 | tuliobaars, talk to X-Fade. |
| 21:16.27 | GAN900 | niels at maemo dot org |
| 21:16.35 | frals | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ |
| 21:16.48 | frals | tuliobaars didnt lcuk say that to you like 2hrs ago? :D |
| 21:18.40 | lcuk | 19:30 20:00 and now! |
| 21:18.50 | lcuk | hes been told the same thing by multiple people multiple times |
| 21:21.33 | pupnik | quick google found it GAN900 - need heklp? |
| 21:22.02 | GAN900 | pupnik, nah, I can get it. |
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| 21:22.33 | GAN900 | pupnik, pointing to why PR1.3 is unlikely to face PR1.2's delays. ;) |
| 21:23.25 | pupnik | ohh |
| 21:24.13 | GAN900 | and wishing Jaffa weren't on vaction, the bastard. |
| 21:25.48 | jaska | on chulak? |
| 21:26.19 | MOUD | is there going to be a PR 1.3? |
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| 21:27.03 | GAN900 | What's up with twitter |
| 21:27.08 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:27.11 | GAN900 | MOUD, as far as I know |
| 21:27.16 | GAN900 | and supposedly more after |
| 21:27.28 | GAN900 | We shall see, though, I suppose. |
| 21:27.35 | MOUD | nice |
| 21:27.42 | MOUD | trem, gn |
| 21:27.51 | GAN900 | anidel says he posted some to mwkn, but I can't find them for the life of me. |
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| 21:47.21 | frals | ~curse users |
| 21:47.22 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users ! |
| 21:47.56 | lcuk | frals, users arent that bad |
| 21:48.33 | frals | well, there are good days and bad days, today is a bad one :P |
| 21:48.57 | lcuk | :( |
| 21:49.02 | frals | im impressed how they found my email without reading any other instruction thou, they deserve cudos for that |
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| 21:49.06 | lcuk | offers you some well cooked trout |
| 21:49.10 | frals | :D |
| 21:49.58 | SpeedEvil | Could be worse. |
| 21:50.08 | SpeedEvil | They could be turning up at your door. |
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| 21:50.15 | frals | GAN900, if you have got problems filling MWKN feel free to add a note about http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/ and me needing help translating ;-) |
| 21:50.19 | frals | lol SpeedEvil |
| 21:50.26 | FredrIQ | has quit irc (G-lined) |
| 21:50.41 | MohammadAG | haha, /me |
| 21:51.59 | astruasdh | I read that nokia will adopt meebo for its next cellphones... does maemo will be discontinued? |
| 21:52.12 | SpeedEvil | Meego. |
| 21:52.15 | pupnik | bleebmo |
| 21:52.25 | luke-jr | astruasdh: correct |
| 21:52.29 | SpeedEvil | Also - it's been stated repeatedly I think that symbian has a future. |
| 21:52.46 | SpeedEvil | But yes - maemo is not being on any more phones. |
| 21:52.49 | MohammadAG | Maemo won't be discontinued |
| 21:52.57 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: in the mid-range? |
| 21:52.59 | MohammadAG | but it won't be discontinued |
| 21:52.59 | SpeedEvil | It's been implied that n900 will carry on maemo development officially |
| 21:53.08 | cure` | loool when i load up duke nukem 3d through dosbox (ye i know), my phone crashes |
| 21:53.09 | SpeedEvil | well - for maybe a year - till it dies. |
| 21:53.15 | astruasdh | haah fuck, i've just bought my n900! hehe |
| 21:53.29 | ShadowJK | Well the next release is going to be more of a halfway step between Maemo and MeeGo, and then next one will have evolved fully into MeeGo |
| 21:53.31 | SwedeMike | we're two people here that after upgrading to PR1.2 has had problems with contacts not being matched when someone is calling, seems to be (in our case) a +46 and 0 prefix problem. Is this a known problem? |
| 21:53.52 | luke-jr | astruasdh: yeah, I was tricked into a N810 :( |
| 21:54.42 | astruasdh | n900 is a very powerful hardware... maybe it will be possible to port meego into it |
| 21:54.55 | MohammadAG | it is, and the team was already assigned |
| 21:55.20 | MohammadAG | slaps Stskeeps with a not-so-CTCP-ish ping |
| 21:55.26 | luke-jr | astruasdh: N900 is not so powerful compared to 2010 devices |
| 21:55.54 | SpeedEvil | wants his HAL 9000. |
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| 21:56.05 | SwedeMike | but I guess nokia liked to screw their existing customers so I guess they'll EoL N900 soon and just abandon it, so community will have to support it. |
| 21:56.16 | luke-jr | SwedeMike: that's how it went with N810 at least |
| 21:56.25 | luke-jr | I've seen no reason to expect otherwise |
| 21:56.37 | FredrIQ | *** ok, sorry guys, that ame passed through too much things (multinetwork, +T...) |
| 21:56.48 | astruasdh | luke-jr, like what device? |
| 21:56.53 | ShadowJK | uses his n800 and n810 daily still :D |
| 21:57.03 | luke-jr | astruasdh: Nexus One, if you don't mind a missing keyboard |
| 21:57.11 | astruasdh | yeah, ok... I agree... n900 has a 600 mhz cpu, and iphone htc hd2 has a 1000mhz |
| 21:57.17 | luke-jr | astruasdh: 1 GHz + 512 MB RAM |
| 21:57.32 | ShadowJK | though the clock speeds aren't comparable :/ |
| 21:57.32 | luke-jr | the next generation will have dual core 1 to 1.5 GHz |
| 21:57.35 | MohammadAG | the iPhone 3GS has an underclocked 800MHz ARM |
| 21:57.40 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: why not? they're both ARM |
| 21:57.50 | MohammadAG | not sure about the 4G one |
| 21:57.54 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, yeah but they're different cpus |
| 21:57.54 | astruasdh | wow |
| 21:57.55 | luke-jr | astruasdh: what exactly is "iphone htc hd2"? |
| 21:58.01 | luke-jr | HTC is not Apple |
| 21:58.06 | astruasdh | I bought n900 because the keyboard and the linux-based os |
| 21:58.09 | MohammadAG | he doesn't use commas |
| 21:58.17 | pupnik | astruasdh: good reasons |
| 21:58.21 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 21:58.29 | astruasdh | luke-jr, it was a typo... htc hd2 |
| 21:58.31 | luke-jr | astruasdh: too bad it doesn't run real Linux (yet?) |
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| 21:59.14 | astruasdh | hmmm the cpu is arm, and there is support by the kernel for arm archs |
| 21:59.24 | luke-jr | astruasdh: a computer is more than a CPU |
| 21:59.53 | ShadowJK | luke means that the kernel.org kernel is missing too many things to be useful on n900 |
| 22:00.11 | astruasdh | but for port the os, the cpu is the most difficult parameter |
| 22:00.30 | luke-jr | someone should make a N900 version of http://elinux.org/N800#Status |
| 22:00.34 | astruasdh | if there is kernel support and glibc support, it may be possible to port all os |
| 22:00.39 | astruasdh | hmmm |
| 22:00.42 | astruasdh | ya, agree |
| 22:00.48 | luke-jr | astruasdh: no, CPU tends to be documented |
| 22:01.13 | luke-jr | other hardware we have to beg for specs and problably end up having to reverse engineer |
| 22:01.19 | pupnik | astruasdh: no other os will be more fun than maemo5 on n900 - i think |
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| 22:01.35 | Mace_N900 | hm |
| 22:01.43 | Mace_N900 | whats up with devel? |
| 22:02.31 | ShadowJK | weekend breakdown? |
| 22:03.01 | Mace_N900 | hm |
| 22:03.07 | Mace_N900 | 404 not found |
| 22:03.10 | Mace_N900 | :( |
| 22:03.11 | cure` | how the hell is it possible for dosbox to crash the os? |
| 22:03.12 | cure` | :( |
| 22:03.30 | Mace_N900 | is there a new address for devel? |
| 22:03.31 | MohammadAG | just kill it |
| 22:03.34 | MohammadAG | no |
| 22:03.55 | astruasdh | luke-jr, http://techie-buzz.com/tips-and-tricks/run-debian-on-n900.html |
| 22:04.15 | MohammadAG | easy debian? |
| 22:04.29 | Mace_N900 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ |
| 22:04.35 | Mace_N900 | is that right? |
| 22:04.41 | pupnik | cure`: try again |
| 22:04.48 | astruasdh | no, real debian |
| 22:04.49 | MohammadAG | wohooo |
| 22:04.53 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 22:04.57 | astruasdh | hmmm |
| 22:05.06 | pupnik | i suspect it was something else |
| 22:05.23 | cure` | i did 3 times |
| 22:05.24 | MohammadAG | multiple music widgets |
| 22:05.27 | cure` | bingo 3 times |
| 22:05.29 | MohammadAG | on my desktop :D |
| 22:05.45 | astruasdh | easy debian? I read it at my n900, but I dont know what is it |
| 22:05.54 | astruasdh | no idea |
| 22:06.08 | Mace_N900 | is there no fremantle 1.2 devel? |
| 22:06.23 | MohammadAG | no |
| 22:06.27 | GAN900 | frals, added. |
| 22:06.28 | mindfaq | it is a full-blown debian installation inside a chroot jail on your n900 |
| 22:06.49 | Arkenoi | thinks about downgrading back to 1.1.1, but i am afraid too many packages are broken with it |
| 22:06.49 | MohammadAG | has Fedora installed |
| 22:06.55 | MohammadAG | with Ubuntu coming up |
| 22:07.00 | pigeon | man... when is the new ovi store coming out... |
| 22:07.10 | MohammadAG | soon :) |
| 22:07.21 | frals | GAN900: cheers :) |
| 22:07.42 | pigeon | MohammadAG: how soon? ;) |
| 22:07.51 | MohammadAG | idk |
| 22:07.58 | MohammadAG | could be PR1.2 soon :) |
| 22:08.02 | pigeon | hahahaha |
| 22:08.04 | MohammadAG | sniggers |
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| 22:08.05 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:08.43 | pigeon | isn't it supposed to be out last thurs or something? |
| 22:08.50 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 22:08.50 | astruasdh | hmmm nice |
| 22:09.40 | Mace_N900 | :( |
| 22:09.43 | Mace_N900 | dev is down |
| 22:09.46 | midas_ | MohammadAG: pr1.2 soon, that would be, eh nice :P |
| 22:09.50 | Mace_N900 | and i want ioquake |
| 22:10.10 | mindfaq | this way you can install all those applications available in the debian repos without screwing with your main maemo os, astruasdh |
| 22:10.22 | midas_ | i cant seem to get my browser to work in port. mode... |
| 22:10.56 | midas_ | ctrl + shift + o didnt work |
| 22:10.57 | FIQ | pr1.3 is coming this year |
| 22:11.11 | pigeon | midas_: there's now a setting for it in the settings |
| 22:11.19 | *** part/#maemo apoirier (~apoirier@sakura.nagare.org) |
| 22:11.20 | FIQ | that didn't work for me in pr1.1.1 and under eihter btw |
| 22:11.21 | astruasdh | mindfaq, but I will see the debian's gnome screen instead of the maemo one? or the chroot is just to run debian apps over the maemo x? |
| 22:11.36 | FIQ | astruasdh, your choice |
| 22:11.45 | pigeon | midas_: Options -> Settings in fact |
| 22:11.46 | FIQ | you can use from LXDE |
| 22:11.51 | FIQ | and from maemo x |
| 22:12.31 | midas_ | pigeon: settings in the browser or settings for the phone? |
| 22:12.40 | astruasdh | FIQ, wow!!! that is nice! |
| 22:12.52 | Arkenoi | barriosquare still broken |
| 22:12.54 | midas_ | nevermind :P |
| 22:12.57 | FIQ | it is |
| 22:13.09 | midas_ | much better |
| 22:13.26 | midas_ | now just to find the skype video phone mode :) |
| 22:13.30 | Arkenoi | python2.5-qt4-gui |
| 22:14.04 | *** join/#maemo FIQ (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 22:14.25 | astruasdh | with easy debian, the debian will be mixed with the maemo os, or it will be handled separately? |
| 22:14.32 | FIQ | i suck at keeping XChat open longer than 2 minutes |
| 22:14.33 | pigeon | does anyone use the "healthcheck" app? it doesn't seem to run anyone... some missing symbol problem with a python module. |
| 22:14.37 | mindfaq | it will be a seperate directory |
| 22:14.40 | FIQ | i always misclick "exit" |
| 22:14.40 | mindfaq | in the filesystem |
| 22:14.41 | FIQ | :( |
| 22:15.04 | FIQ | it's an image |
| 22:15.15 | mindfaq | yeah |
| 22:15.25 | FIQ | the biggest part is the installation is the extract of that |
| 22:15.29 | mindfaq | mounted through a loop device |
| 22:15.35 | FIQ | made my phone lag very much |
| 22:15.55 | FIQ | but after that, debian was installed and worked flawlessy |
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| 22:16.06 | astruasdh | wow, got it! easy debian will mount -o a debian image! that is nice! I have much work for the hollyday |
| 22:16.13 | mindfaq | because nokia people thought it's smart to make a ~27 GiB fat partition ;) |
| 22:16.23 | *** part/#maemo R0b0t1 (~Enigma@unaffiliated/r0b0t1) |
| 22:16.53 | FIQ | mindfaq, that's why you should resize it |
| 22:17.09 | FIQ | i would, if i knew how |
| 22:17.37 | FIQ | and let other things use that random überspace throwed away just for media |
| 22:17.49 | mindfaq | there is a page on the wiki |
| 22:17.53 | mindfaq | it's not that simple |
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| 22:18.02 | FIQ | meh |
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| 22:18.15 | mc_teo | Wizzup: :) |
| 22:18.52 | Wizzup | wat |
| 22:18.59 | mindfaq | iirc /etc/fstab gets overwritten on each boot or something like that |
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| 22:19.30 | mindfaq | and some problem with the camera |
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| 22:20.47 | FIQ | mindfaq, why would the camera complain |
| 22:20.54 | FIQ | you keep the partition |
| 22:20.59 | FIQ | but you shrink it |
| 22:21.04 | FIQ | couldn't be that hard |
| 22:21.37 | FIQ | the problem is that the partition must be unmounted for that to work though |
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| 22:21.39 | mindfaq | it is possible but there are some caveats |
| 22:21.47 | FIQ | iirc |
| 22:22.07 | Mace_N900 | grrrr |
| 22:22.09 | Mace_N900 | wtf |
| 22:22.17 | Mace_N900 | is wrong with devel? |
| 22:22.19 | Mace_N900 | :( |
| 22:22.23 | FIQ | HM |
| 22:22.26 | FIQ | DUNNO |
| 22:22.27 | FIQ | eh |
| 22:22.29 | FIQ | -caps |
| 22:22.31 | astruasdh | in the last update, the maemo's skype has now a webcam support? |
| 22:22.49 | thunderfest | any sdl + gles wizards around? |
| 22:23.10 | mc_teo | astruasdh: seemingly |
| 22:23.19 | pupnik | Pringles have less than 50% potato content. |
| 22:23.21 | mc_teo | i havent seen it yet though |
| 22:23.28 | Mace_N900 | astruasdh, thats the rumor |
| 22:23.37 | Mace_N900 | i know google vid works |
| 22:23.47 | mindfaq | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash |
| 22:24.02 | Mace_N900 | and now contacts have a video chat button |
| 22:24.15 | astruasdh | hmmm ty |
| 22:24.31 | Mace_N900 | i am just mad devel is down |
| 22:24.33 | FIQ | how come sdl-libs is almost completly missing on maemo repos? |
| 22:24.46 | astruasdh | can I install an official Debian, generate an Image, and use it with easy debian instead of that default image? |
| 22:24.53 | Mace_N900 | :( |
| 22:25.14 | MohammadAG | yes, but I doubt it's trivial |
| 22:25.14 | FIQ | astruasdh, that should work |
| 22:25.36 | midas_ | Mace_N900: videochat? i dont see that tho? |
| 22:25.40 | MohammadAG | make sure it's using ARM as an arch though |
| 22:25.41 | thunderfest | FIQ most of the sdl libs are in extras-testing and extras-devel |
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| 22:25.45 | astruasdh | nice :) |
| 22:25.48 | GAN900 | is at 13 stories. |
| 22:25.58 | midas_ | maybe it's my contacts tho |
| 22:26.03 | Mace_N900 | what is wrong with the image it comes with? |
| 22:26.15 | mindfaq | lenny is becoming old ;) |
| 22:26.27 | Mace_N900 | just remove what you dont want with apt |
| 22:26.31 | Mace_N900 | heh |
| 22:26.47 | Mace_N900 | no dist-update? |
| 22:27.02 | Mace_N900 | i wish someone would make an opensolaris based maemo |
| 22:27.05 | Mace_N900 | :) |
| 22:27.11 | MohammadAG | that would be quite slow |
| 22:27.21 | Mace_N900 | liar! |
| 22:27.34 | midas_ | ah finally got it working :+ |
| 22:27.38 | Mace_N900 | oh.. you mean the dist update. |
| 22:27.55 | mindfaq | no, he means slowlaris xD |
| 22:28.04 | midas_ | Mace_N900: and used zfs for the storage? :) |
| 22:28.04 | FIQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.06 | FIQ | ok |
| 22:28.10 | Mace_N900 | opensolaris is bryond great |
| 22:28.16 | Mace_N900 | midas, yes |
| 22:28.18 | Mace_N900 | raidz |
| 22:28.22 | Mace_N900 | heh |
| 22:28.23 | mindfaq | i like it, too |
| 22:28.26 | midas_ | hehe :p |
| 22:28.41 | midas_ | i had 22TB on the n900 :) |
| 22:28.44 | Mace_N900 | it is the best thing i have ever used as a server |
| 22:28.51 | astruasdh | nothing against the image that comes with easy debian, because I dont know that: that is why it should be better to use an official image |
| 22:29.15 | midas_ | time for bed |
| 22:29.17 | midas_ | nn yall |
| 22:29.29 | Mace_N900 | 22TB hehe |
| 22:29.54 | Mace_N900 | i would set up a raid0 with the onboard and a 32G sd |
| 22:29.56 | Mace_N900 | heh |
| 22:30.02 | mindfaq | astruasdh: maybe check the easy chroot package |
| 22:30.06 | midas_ | haha Mace_N900 :P |
| 22:30.09 | midas_ | that would be cool |
| 22:30.21 | astruasdh | how long your n900 batery takes to become empty? |
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| 22:30.25 | Mace_N900 | :) |
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| 22:30.43 | MohammadAG | well |
| 22:30.50 | MohammadAG | 2-8 on average |
| 22:30.57 | Mace_N900 | a long time |
| 22:31.00 | FIQ | hm |
| 22:31.00 | MohammadAG | it lasted 26h max |
| 22:31.04 | FIQ | question: |
| 22:31.14 | Mace_N900 | i have constantly used mine and it kills my older G1 |
| 22:31.16 | FIQ | i have -devel but not -testing |
| 22:31.21 | Mace_N900 | the g1 would last an hour |
| 22:31.22 | mc_teo | has anyone noticed a real drain in battery power since pr1.2? |
| 22:31.26 | FIQ | will -testing be useless with -devel? |
| 22:31.31 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 22:31.40 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:31.43 | Mace_N900 | fiq, does devel work for you? |
| 22:31.44 | MohammadAG | good point lol |
| 22:31.44 | mindfaq | not necessarily, FIQ |
| 22:31.55 | FIQ | mace_N900, i can check |
| 22:31.58 | MohammadAG | Well |
| 22:31.58 | Mace_N900 | the repo isnt working for me :( |
| 22:32.09 | MohammadAG | all -testing stuff is from -devel |
| 22:32.20 | asj | mc_teo: just the oposite |
| 22:32.21 | mindfaq | if someone submitted his package to testing but has no newer version in devel, you won't get that package |
| 22:32.25 | MohammadAG | I don't see a reason why you just have both |
| 22:32.38 | thunderfest | mc_teo: battery performance fells improved since pr1.2 to me |
| 22:32.38 | MohammadAG | you can't submit to testing directly |
| 22:32.40 | GAN900 | OK, I think it's done unless anybody else has some really compelling content. |
| 22:32.41 | astruasdh | I keep bluetooth powered off, and dont use 3g so much.. so mine lasts 2 days +-... but with no hard working, just using as a normal cellphone |
| 22:32.53 | FIQ | hmm |
| 22:32.59 | FIQ | well |
| 22:33.04 | FIQ | that's what i though |
| 22:33.07 | Mace_N900 | hm |
| 22:33.14 | Mace_N900 | ttyl |
| 22:33.20 | FIQ | and that's why i never added that repo |
| 22:33.23 | Mace_N900 | speaking of battery :) |
| 22:33.31 | mc_teo | so if switch off 3G ill get better battery life? |
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| 22:33.32 | mindfaq | stuff that's submitted to testing is kept in devel, MohammadAG? |
| 22:33.38 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 22:33.44 | mindfaq | ok |
| 22:33.51 | FIQ | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages) |
| 22:33.57 | MohammadAG | and extras app are in all 3 repos |
| 22:33.59 | FIQ | is the only error (warning) i get |
| 22:34.06 | FIQ | -devel seems to work fine |
| 22:34.06 | MohammadAG | assuming there's no newer version |
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| 22:34.40 | mindfaq | ah, didn't know that |
| 22:34.42 | MohammadAG | FIQ, you have 2 repos duped |
| 22:34.48 | pupnik | n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop |
| 22:34.59 | MohammadAG | it did that for a week here |
| 22:35.09 | MohammadAG | and its battery lasts more than the lappy |
| 22:35.14 | FIQ | <pupnik> n900 is so good, it replaced my laptop |
| 22:35.16 | mc_teo | and is flash going to be updated soon? |
| 22:35.16 | MohammadAG | (about 5 mins) |
| 22:35.20 | FIQ | mine too |
| 22:35.38 | MohammadAG | my lappy's battery is borked i guess |
| 22:35.44 | FIQ | except the fact that i prefer sitting with desktop keyb and screen |
| 22:35.46 | pupnik | that should be an advertisement, FIQ |
| 22:35.56 | FIQ | yeah |
| 22:36.04 | midas_ | FIQ: i have a media keyboard for that ;) |
| 22:36.06 | MohammadAG | FIQ, keyboard + TV out |
| 22:36.10 | midas_ | bluetooth and all :) |
| 22:36.17 | FIQ | Heh |
| 22:36.23 | astruasdh | I will remove MyDocs' fat partition to create a 27g ext3. is there some problem doing this? |
| 22:36.41 | FIQ | you can use N900 as an old gaming console, a computer and a phone and more things |
| 22:36.43 | MohammadAG | and hey, if hostmode works soon you could use a display adapter, a keyboard and a mouse |
| 22:36.46 | FIQ | = instant win |
| 22:36.58 | midas_ | indeed |
| 22:37.11 | MohammadAG | and if you want to conquer the world, get a USB tactical nuke |
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| 22:37.29 | smoku | astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs |
| 22:37.33 | FIQ | ("old gaming console" = tv-out, an good emulator and a SIXAXIS) |
| 22:37.58 | midas_ | only dont buy one with a usb 3.0 interface, it might not work properly |
| 22:38.10 | midas_ | the tactical nuke that is |
| 22:38.45 | pupnik | i have seen usb feetwarmer |
| 22:39.06 | mindfaq | with 500 mA? |
| 22:39.07 | mindfaq | nice |
| 22:39.12 | astruasdh | smoku, hmmm bad news :( ah, no problem... that approach to swap the mydocs and /home should work fine |
| 22:39.19 | MohammadAG | yeah, why not |
| 22:39.27 | FIQ | you even can use your N900 to watch tv, video, radio, texttv, and (wall of things, both useless and useful) |
| 22:39.51 | LiraNuna | <smoku> astruasdh: AFAIK camera app won't work without FAT MyDocs |
| 22:39.54 | LiraNuna | any idea why? |
| 22:40.04 | MohammadAG | someone posted why on tmo |
| 22:40.10 | MohammadAG | not sure where |
| 22:40.10 | astruasdh | FIQ, watch tv??? how? |
| 22:40.22 | FIQ | shame that devs just don't get the fact that N900 can do more than iPhone. :( |
| 22:40.23 | MohammadAG | the browser doesn't save to my ext3 card |
| 22:40.29 | FIQ | astruasdh: web-tv |
| 22:40.35 | SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: It's a (closed) bug |
| 22:40.35 | astruasdh | ahhh ya |
| 22:40.42 | LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, closed as... WONTFIX? |
| 22:40.51 | SpeedEvil | no - fixed |
| 22:40.52 | MohammadAG | or use a digital TV receiver, WHEN hostmode works :) |
| 22:40.55 | mindfaq | Maemo hardcodes the MyDocs partition as /dev/mmcblk0p1 in several applications <- taken from maemo wiki |
| 22:41.00 | LiraNuna | so it's fixed in PR1.2? |
| 22:41.07 | SpeedEvil | 1.1.1 I think |
| 22:41.11 | MohammadAG | mindfaq, that shouldn't matter |
| 22:41.17 | MohammadAG | the node stays the same |
| 22:41.21 | SpeedEvil | I left mydocs as VFAT, shrunk it |
| 22:41.25 | MohammadAG | even if you change the fs type |
| 22:41.36 | SpeedEvil | and made a new data partition with 25G |
| 22:41.40 | MohammadAG | but it has -t vfat (or w/e it uses) hard coded |
| 22:41.46 | LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, oh, so why isn't MyDocs ext3? |
| 22:41.50 | astruasdh | ah, so i can safely remove my vfat partition to use just ext3... ? |
| 22:41.53 | Mace_N900 | how is koffice coming along? |
| 22:42.09 | Mace_N900 | would love to see a maemo koffice already |
| 22:42.12 | mindfaq | LiraNuna: some nokia guy explained it on some mailing list |
| 22:42.12 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, mount it in /media/data and you should see it when downloading/using hildon-m |
| 22:42.14 | MohammadAG | fm* |
| 22:42.32 | LiraNuna | I'm not fond of using FAT on my data directory |
| 22:42.33 | mindfaq | LiraNuna: you can't sell a device which is not accessable from the average windows computer |
| 22:42.42 | astruasdh | a linux-based cellphone os with 27g fat sounds kind of fun |
| 22:42.47 | LiraNuna | sure, but can't do it myself? |
| 22:42.56 | LiraNuna | *can't I |
| 22:43.02 | FIQ | well |
| 22:43.14 | FIQ | at least, it really should be easier to do |
| 22:43.25 | FIQ | change the fs i mean |
| 22:43.39 | mindfaq | again: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash |
| 22:43.57 | astruasdh | LiraNuna, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash here there are some tips about repartitioning... but I'm with you: I'll remove my fat |
| 22:44.35 | LiraNuna | astruasdh, with exercise and proper diet? |
| 22:46.11 | astruasdh | haha |
| 22:46.31 | SpeedEvil | loves the n900 diet. |
| 22:46.40 | SpeedEvil | (buy n900, be unable to afford food) |
| 22:46.49 | pronto | n900>food |
| 22:47.05 | astruasdh | I'm with my n900 not more than 1 week, so I have no data to care... and I really don't wanna use n900 as a usb flash |
| 22:47.36 | cure` | i dumped tons of mp3's and vids on it straight away lol |
| 22:47.45 | astruasdh | heya guys... have to go... thank u very much for the tips, cya! |
| 22:47.48 | SpeedEvil | More seriously - I promised myself I'd partially subsidise my n900 with food savings. |
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| 22:47.53 | SpeedEvil | Now 20Kg down. Woo! |
| 22:48.04 | cure` | and quake1 through 3 |
| 22:48.27 | astruasdh | haha |
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| 22:51.34 | FIQ | hm |
| 22:51.38 | FIQ | btw |
| 22:51.48 | FIQ | 27+2=29 |
| 22:52.00 | FIQ | what's up with the missing 3GB? |
| 22:52.21 | FIQ | or do i fail? |
| 22:52.36 | mindfaq | GiB != GB |
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| 22:52.44 | FIQ | i know |
| 22:52.50 | FIQ | but still |
| 22:52.57 | FIQ | too much missing |
| 22:53.01 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 22:53.12 | MohammadAG | that's how much my N97 had |
| 22:53.18 | FIQ | ok |
| 22:53.25 | MohammadAG | 768 for swap |
| 22:53.30 | mindfaq | ah yeah |
| 22:53.34 | MohammadAG | you forgot that |
| 22:53.54 | FIQ | isn't swap on NAND? |
| 22:53.58 | mindfaq | nope |
| 22:54.04 | FIQ | ok |
| 22:54.29 | SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find a way to list absolutely all products not aggregated together in a list. I want to submit a bug for hildon-desktop |
| 22:54.30 | FIQ | though NAND were 1GB |
| 22:54.35 | FIQ | but ok |
| 22:54.43 | SpeedEvil | no - swap is on the emmc |
| 22:54.56 | mindfaq | samsung oneNAND isn't available in high capacities |
| 22:55.36 | mindfaq | iirc they just announced 512 MiB chips |
| 22:55.39 | MohammadAG | if swap had its own NAND it would technically be RAM... |
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| 22:56.24 | FIQ | lol |
| 22:56.33 | FIQ | ok, fine |
| 22:56.35 | FIQ | :p |
| 22:56.41 | FIQ | is tired |
| 22:56.49 | MohammadAG | Mon May 31 01:56:48 IDT 2010 |
| 22:56.57 | MohammadAG | think of a better excuse :P |
| 22:57.09 | FIQ | 00:56 gmt+2 here |
| 22:57.35 | FIQ | or well, gmt+1 and summertime |
| 22:57.48 | FIQ | dunno whatever it's called |
| 22:57.55 | FIQ | dst/utc/whatever |
| 22:57.57 | mindfaq | here too |
| 22:58.07 | mindfaq | daylight saving time? ;) |
| 22:59.04 | FIQ | guess so |
| 22:59.07 | FIQ | brb |
| 22:59.17 | mindfaq | cet |
| 22:59.38 | mindfaq | + dst |
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| 23:15.28 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: bugzilla's query.cgi has a list :) |
| 23:15.47 | timeless_mbp | view-source:bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi |
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| 23:17.37 | timeless_mbp | only problem is that it looks like hildon-desktop is 'diablo-community-updates' |
| 23:19.45 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10438 |
| 23:19.46 | povbot` | Bug 10438: Hildon-desktop segfaults if |
| 23:19.57 | SpeedEvil | did I eventially find the right place? |
| 23:20.01 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:20.19 | SpeedEvil | I seemed to have suffered a minor oops with that. |
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