| 00:00.04 | SpeedEvil | I've found several apps on testing to use ratehr a large amount of battery. |
| 00:00.15 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: no |
| 00:00.25 | SpeedEvil | As a first cut - when idle and connected to ssh - I got >140 hours of battery life. |
| 00:00.25 | lcuk | lopz, doing arrays and collections and dictionaries in c is not trivial. especially so for dynamic ones. you have to learn about c string handling and memory allocation and stuff first |
| 00:01.24 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: there's been an improvement in how either IM or sip, or 3g or wifi useage that's made a dramatic increase in battery life |
| 00:02.26 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: I had an idle n900 sitting on my desk at work running nothing at all and battery life is amazing, but no one uses an n900 like that |
| 00:02.53 | corecode | no radios = n900 runs for days |
| 00:03.05 | corecode | wifi on = runs 3 days or so |
| 00:03.18 | corecode | 3g on = barely one day |
| 00:03.24 | corecode | for me, with 1.1.1 |
| 00:03.31 | derf | My N900 dies in less than a day with nothing on. |
| 00:03.33 | corecode | dunno about 1.2 yet |
| 00:03.38 | asj_ | corecode: after 3 or 4 days it was still > 80% so I would say with no radios would be week(s) |
| 00:03.58 | corecode | asj_: that was with wifi? |
| 00:04.15 | asj_ | corecode: wifi is a radio so no |
| 00:04.21 | lopz | lcuk, http://codepad.org/z1ssylxk |
| 00:04.33 | asj_ | derf: install BatteryGraph and see what's wrong |
| 00:04.35 | corecode | oh |
| 00:05.04 | corecode | yes, i think battery drain is ~ 5%/day in offline mode |
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| 00:05.31 | corecode | maybe 7 |
| 00:05.50 | corecode | probably also changes when the battery drains more |
| 00:05.59 | asj_ | corecode: sounds about right, sadly I think my informal test will get cut short next week |
| 00:06.23 | lopz | lcuk, look, I'm missing that part, that the pass & axiom [i] then return key, that is where the problem is, how I can do to get returns a char * but only the first character .. ? because here I print from & axiom [i] until '\ 0' |
| 00:07.04 | corecode | ENOPARSE |
| 00:07.20 | corecode | punctuation? |
| 00:07.45 | asj_ | corecode: EUSEQT ;) |
| 00:08.23 | Proteous | I updated via the nokia software updater |
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| 00:08.53 | Proteous | I'm on edge with a ssh session always |
| 00:09.00 | Proteous | open |
| 00:09.22 | Ebzzry | Hi! Does a darcs binary exist for Maemo 5? |
| 00:09.31 | asj_ | Proteous: edge uses much less power |
| 00:09.33 | SpeedEvil | asj: this was connected to wifi, running a shell script to log battery life every 5s, connectable to over ssh - but yes - quite idle |
| 00:10.06 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: idle accroding to powertop? |
| 00:10.27 | SpeedEvil | asj: fairly also. |
| 00:10.42 | SpeedEvil | asj: I was meaning idle as in not doing mich |
| 00:10.59 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: heh, ok |
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| 00:12.18 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: keep in mind though, wifi does use a good bit of power as well. That's really improved over the years, I remember 2 years ago an n78 type device on sip (so effectively idle) would kill it's own bat in a few hours |
| 00:12.32 | asj_ | now we're up to days on wifi, that's pretty huge improvement |
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| 00:16.14 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:16.25 | SpeedEvil | asj: it's on the order of .1%/hour - with powersave at max |
| 00:16.53 | asj_ | that's pretty amaing really, 10mW xmit? wonder how much that changes things |
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| 00:17.13 | SpeedEvil | almost none |
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| 00:17.31 | SpeedEvil | if it's active - you've got the ~1W power of it being active. |
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| 00:17.47 | asj_ | damn |
| 00:17.49 | SpeedEvil | ~.5W |
| 00:18.21 | SpeedEvil | In idle mode - it very rarely transmits too |
| 00:19.29 | asj_ | well that's the power of 802.11 powersaving, you just wake up for beacons every so often |
| 00:19.47 | lcuk | lopz, this gets more and more convoluted :p your result string needs space allocating to it |
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| 00:20.20 | lcuk | and returning the thing you passed into it wont be returning just a single character as you indicated |
| 00:20.33 | lcuk | like i said earlier, c memory and bytes need learning |
| 00:21.06 | lcuk | its not something that me poking with your function could do unless you understood why i did the things i did |
| 00:21.24 | SpeedEvil | asj: exaclty. I'm not sure exactly when you transmit - but it's not really often |
| 00:21.39 | lcuk | i could *write* a function which does what you want, but thats not the point here :P |
| 00:22.51 | lopz | lcuk, in python it's very easy http://codepad.org/p3jnNQi5 hehe |
| 00:24.51 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: it's something like this. Beacon has a bit mask of stations with waiting data, station then sends a power save request (or someting like that), the ap then pumps out the packets. xmit is very short, of course apps might then generate traffic. But if it's only doing keep alives every few mins then that's a huge win, especially since you can sleep through many beacons so rx section is powered down most the time. |
| 00:25.44 | SpeedEvil | asj: I wish I could find a nice explanation of al of this. |
| 00:25.56 | SpeedEvil | asj: I tried reading the standard, and my head exploded. |
| 00:26.20 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to find out where the max data per station, and max hold time was set |
| 00:27.59 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: heh, 6 years ago I worked for a company making ap software, it should be in the standard if there is a max hold time or data, not sure if there is. Can't remember the details. |
| 00:28.10 | lcuk | lopz, a moment |
| 00:28.53 | SpeedEvil | And yes 'it should be in the standard' - doesn't much help if first you have to digest it :) And it's quite self-referential and crosslinked. |
| 00:29.14 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: helps you get to sleep... ;) |
| 00:29.26 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 00:29.57 | SpeedEvil | For that I have the whirr of the n900 as it does make -j4 bzImage. :) |
| 00:30.23 | asj_ | 802.11e-200 seems to have some improved power savings, not sure if that's in active use atm |
| 00:30.36 | SpeedEvil | I plan on some easy entry-level hacking of the bq27x00 driver |
| 00:30.43 | SpeedEvil | Not here. |
| 00:30.51 | SpeedEvil | My AP was gotten a couple of years ago on ebay. |
| 00:30.58 | lcuk | lopz, http://codepad.org/0nG4tNA7 |
| 00:31.17 | SpeedEvil | And diddn't come with a GPL offer. |
| 00:31.20 | asj_ | there's a lot of 802.11 that's not in use sadly (mainly because it's hard to do) |
| 00:31.22 | SpeedEvil | stabs dynamode. |
| 00:31.49 | lcuk | lopz, its very easy in c as well, if you know what you are doing with the bytes of memory |
| 00:31.50 | SpeedEvil | Hard to do technically, or requires a lot of reading of the standard? |
| 00:32.03 | lcuk | if all you want is to output to a stream you can just push out either a string or a char |
| 00:32.06 | lcuk | nice and simple |
| 00:32.24 | lcuk | but storing them and reallocating space etc to get the whole string is more tricky |
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| 00:33.04 | SpeedEvil | really wants a nice embeddable wifi chip. |
| 00:33.07 | SpeedEvil | But meh. |
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| 00:34.22 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: technically hard to do right when you incorperate it into a full system. Like having multiple hardware queues for qos. You can do it in the driver, but the OS has to do QOS right (which is hard) and deliver it to you in the right queues. Since the OS can barely do it, and most drivers don't do it so no one improves the OS, then there's no point to doing it in the driver. Chicken/egg issue. |
| 00:34.35 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 00:34.39 | lopz | lcuk, ok, thanks :) |
| 00:35.02 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: now add millions of APs that may or may not do cool feature and it gets worse |
| 00:35.04 | SpeedEvil | asj: and as it's not used by peripherals, and customers are not clamouring for it, ... |
| 00:35.20 | jatt | i updated to the last maemo version without issues why so much fuss about installations go wrong? |
| 00:35.35 | SpeedEvil | About the only 'cool thing' that would be a requirement for a new AP would be supporting powersaving well. |
| 00:35.56 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: well they would clamor for it if their SIP calls could work perfectly (since 802.11 is probably the weekest link in SIP), oh but wait customers don't care about sip, and the AP doesn't do it anyways |
| 00:37.01 | SpeedEvil | asj: and their IP backhaul doesn't do QOS anyway |
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| 00:37.59 | SpeedEvil | In some ways things would be oh-so-much better if you could rewind back several protocols and start over. |
| 00:38.13 | SpeedEvil | IP, SMTP, HTTP for example. |
| 00:38.35 | SpeedEvil | trying to jam in poorly supported reterofits rarely works well. |
| 00:38.51 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: well those tend to be really "big" these days compared to 128kbit audio stream and worse case jitter is probably 100ms probably much much less. Were as 802.11g running without QOS frequently has 500ms+ jitter issues |
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| 00:39.33 | SpeedEvil | Yup. |
| 00:40.35 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: sadly it would probably fail, there was better than IP available but it was too complicated, too control, or too much of a pain. IP was "simple" you just plug and set a few things and voila. |
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| 00:41.43 | SpeedEvil | SMTP for example - if there was a way to ask a host 'can mail from this user originate from you?' |
| 00:41.59 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: "of course!" |
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| 00:42.02 | SpeedEvil | But that's getting somewhat off-topic :) |
| 00:42.04 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:42.21 | SpeedEvil | I meant - some way of asking the users MX server, not the spammer |
| 00:42.46 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: there's too much money in spam for it to be acutally fixed. Yahoo, etc made tons of money from spam |
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| 00:43.19 | asj_ | well, not from the spammers, but from selling access to whitelists to companies that want to send "legitimate" emails |
| 00:44.18 | asj_ | where legit is "New products at 1800flowers.com" vs non ledit "B3y v1agara!" |
| 00:44.22 | SpeedEvil | Fixed now - yes. |
| 00:44.39 | SpeedEvil | I once got up to 8% of my ISPs inbound mail. |
| 00:44.47 | SpeedEvil | I was quite active on usenet. |
| 00:45.07 | SpeedEvil | Shortly after Canter and Siegal - I decided to post with each post being a unique message-ID. |
| 00:45.17 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: heh |
| 00:45.35 | SpeedEvil | This worked quite well for some time, and I was able to work out which groups attracted most spam, metrics like mean time to spam, ... |
| 00:46.03 | SpeedEvil | It kind of fell over when I had 20000 of these addresses, and they were all being used to send 500 each mortgage spams. |
| 00:46.17 | swc|666 | postfix rules ftw |
| 00:46.37 | asj_ | heh, it's a pita, I used to run my own mailserver, greylisting was great but I finally gave up and use google apps for domains |
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| 00:46.59 | swc|666 | asj_, i dont even greylist and i get 0 spam |
| 00:47.15 | swc|666 | just a good postconf and amavis |
| 00:47.18 | asj_ | swc|666: OMG you're John C Devorak? |
| 00:47.22 | swc|666 | not even using spamassassin |
| 00:47.31 | SpeedEvil | swc|666: Postfix rules don't really help when you're at the end of a 64kbit line trying to recieve 300 messages a second by smtp. |
| 00:47.52 | ZogG_N900 | hey |
| 00:47.52 | ZogG_N900 | so sup |
| 00:47.52 | ZogG_N900 | watched wolfman |
| 00:48.01 | swc|666 | SpeedEvil, thats where rate limiting and/or an IPS helps |
| 00:48.18 | swc|666 | oh 64kbit |
| 00:48.20 | swc|666 | lol |
| 00:48.23 | SpeedEvil | swc|666: Yes - however - this was ~2000 |
| 00:48.51 | swc|666 | just got 2 38/19 lines today |
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| 00:50.07 | ZogG_N900 | i never got surprise party |
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| 00:50.36 | ZogG_N900 | watching breaking bad |
| 00:50.58 | ZogG_N900 | s1e1 |
| 00:51.28 | asj_ | ZogG_N900: ugh I couldn't take too much of that show, just wait till the bathtub scene |
| 00:51.42 | asj_ | (and I did like Deadwood, if that's saying anything) |
| 00:52.10 | ZogG_N900 | asj_ watched flashforward |
| 00:52.14 | ZogG_N900 | great show |
| 00:52.30 | ZogG_N900 | closed it. damn america ) |
| 00:53.34 | pronto | flashforward ftw \o/ |
| 00:53.38 | ZogG_N900 | wow. she is jerking him off ) |
| 00:54.01 | ZogG_N900 | pronto closed with not a single answer |
| 00:54.09 | pronto | lol |
| 00:54.15 | pronto | answers are overrated |
| 00:54.22 | ZogG_N900 | haahahhaha |
| 00:54.23 | asj_ | huh, any one found a bug on the n900 where is reverse balance on audio output? |
| 00:54.31 | pronto | give us more questions! |
| 00:54.35 | asj_ | as in left becomes right, and it alternates? |
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| 00:55.27 | ZogG_N900 | not a bug |
| 00:55.34 | ZogG_N900 | fetuare |
| 00:55.44 | Kilroo | I'm trying to figure out whether I can tether my new n900 to my AT&T-connected n85 via bluetooth so that the n900 can make use of the AT&T connection. I keep finding things that seem to imply this is possible but that dismiss it without saying how (and usually go on to explain how to tether a laptop to the n900, which isn't the direction I need to go). Any help would be appreciated. |
| 00:55.53 | cehteh | i didnt even found where to set balance yet |
| 00:56.11 | ZogG_N900 | ) |
| 00:56.20 | asj_ | cehteh: alsamixer -c0 all the settings you could ever want |
| 00:56.38 | cehteh | ah i was thinking about media player gui |
| 00:56.51 | asj_ | cehteh: I wish |
| 00:57.25 | ZogG_N900 | you can make gui for that |
| 00:57.36 | cehteh | i dont really need it |
| 00:57.41 | asj_ | well it would be easier just to port kmix |
| 00:58.05 | cehteh | an eq for the internal speakers and maybe when one uses external speaker might be somewhat useful |
| 00:58.05 | ZogG_N900 | no k* programs |
| 00:58.12 | ZogG_N900 | no kdelibs |
| 00:58.20 | cehteh | but since i am most often use headphones i dont need a eq |
| 00:58.24 | asj_ | ZogG_N900: kmix is so simple, just bring it back to qt only |
| 00:58.53 | ZogG_N900 | it prob depence on kde |
| 00:59.40 | ZogG_N900 | alsagui ftw |
| 00:59.42 | asj_ | ZogG_N900: I couldn't imagin for what, I wonder if Qt Mobility multimedia has audio controls like balance/mix/etc with easy acccess |
| 01:00.06 | ZogG_N900 | don't think so |
| 01:00.27 | ZogG_N900 | anyway we don't get any of it ) |
| 01:00.55 | ZogG_N900 | nokia made me negative thinker |
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| 01:01.15 | Kilroo | Yay for connection bouncing |
| 01:01.25 | ZogG_N900 | kilroo why don't you sleep? |
| 01:01.36 | Kilroo | I beg your pardon? |
| 01:02.01 | ZogG_N900 | i excuse u |
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| 01:03.29 | budfive | Kilroo: tethering like that is similar to laptop tethering. do you have all the network interfaces up? |
| 01:03.56 | SpeedEvil | Getting the network interfaces up can be problematic |
| 01:04.32 | Kilroo | budfive: That's a darn good question. If it can be problematic, as SpeedEvil says, then probably not, because I haven't done anything problematic yet. |
| 01:04.44 | SpeedEvil | However - it should be possible similar to pairing any other linux device using bluez with the att mobile |
| 01:06.05 | Kilroo | I've never paired anything before at all. Bluez was mentioned in at least one place I was reading; sounds like that might be a less abortive place to start than the tutorials on pairing in the other direction. |
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| 01:06.56 | SpeedEvil | I'd start out at a 'pairing my slackware laptop with a phone' tutorial - or something basic |
| 01:07.12 | SpeedEvil | that goes through the commandline - rather than a shiny wizard. |
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| 01:08.01 | Kilroo | That sounds like a good idea. <3 commandline. |
| 01:09.19 | njsf_ | re |
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| 01:15.04 | zChris | http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/component/poll/16-maemo-devices-will-never-be-anything-more-than-a-fad-among-geeky-enthusiasts |
| 01:15.04 | zChris | :) |
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| 01:25.57 | microlith | hmm |
| 01:26.01 | microlith | PR1.2++ |
| 01:26.08 | microlith | I can use max powersave with my AP |
| 01:33.09 | Dassu | lol, I can run azsmrc on n900 :D |
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| 01:34.57 | maher | how do i tell which firmware i have? |
| 01:35.30 | Dassu | go to settings and "information about the product" (Or similar) |
| 01:37.08 | maher | 3.2010.02-8.002 <-- i assume this is not the latest one |
| 01:39.28 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 01:39.29 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:40.00 | SpeedEvil | ~changelog |
| 01:40.01 | infobot | somebody said changelog was dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile whatever.deb | tar xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz' | gzip -d | less |
| 01:40.11 | SpeedEvil | ~pr1.2 |
| 01:40.12 | infobot | it has been said that pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 01:40.44 | SpeedEvil | 26). Version 1.2 (V10.2010.19-1) |
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| 01:41.13 | maher | does updating the firmware erase all mtsettings? |
| 01:41.22 | maher | does updating the firmware erase all my settings? |
| 01:42.17 | microlith | no |
| 01:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | thinking about all the unused GPIO of N900 SoC and GAIA etc, and then figuring the ID pin of 1707 hardwired to a fixed level, I really really would love to be more involved in next NIT's HW development =( |
| 01:43.10 | maher | microlith: the wiki says: Flashing a new rootfs image on your device will reset the device back to factory defaults and remove all data except those on the (internal and uSD) memory card: preferences, bookmarks, installed applications, |
| 01:43.31 | microlith | correct, if you flash the rootfs the contents of the internal memory card are preserved |
| 01:43.36 | microlith | which is where all of your settings are |
| 01:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | which is a pretty fsckng ambiguous wording |
| 01:45.09 | maher | microlith: so eMMC is the rootfs and RX-51 is the firmware? I'm confused... |
| 01:45.13 | microlith | no |
| 01:45.23 | microlith | there's a 256MB device that stores the rootfs |
| 01:45.43 | microlith | RX-51 is the Nokia model number for the device |
| 01:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | So basically flashing a rootfs fiasco image will keep your /home/user and MyDocs data (first boot will wipe /home/opt though). Flashing a EMMC fiasco image will wipe your complete eMMC internal memory card, thus resetting /home and MyDocs to whatever is in the image |
| 01:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | from http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, no. |
| 01:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | No? did my c&p fail? |
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| 01:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I haven't heard from qgil. |
| 01:49.03 | maher | can i just flash with the RX and not the eMMC? |
| 01:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | but you can not flash the eMMC without flashing a new rootfs |
| 01:50.22 | maher | so i lose everything in / but not /home - what about /urs? |
| 01:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: ahh, ok. Thanks for the info |
| 01:50.29 | maher | i mean /usr |
| 01:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | lost |
| 01:51.06 | maher | so i gave to manually restore the stupid hoops i jumped through to get some version of cron to work? |
| 01:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:51.35 | maher | propriety sw is shit |
| 01:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | though I'd recommed to forget cron and settle for alarmed app |
| 01:52.01 | maher | DocScrutinizer: yeah - if i could have ever got it run my scripts... |
| 01:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | will run your scripts just like cron, I'd say |
| 01:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | just better ;-D |
| 01:52.56 | maher | i can't even remmeber what i did |
| 01:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | if it doesn't then that's a bug which will be fixed by Shapeshifter in a minute :) |
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| 01:54.32 | maher | i installed fcron.... |
| 01:54.51 | maher | DocScrutinizer: ok - how do I get alarmed to run a script on say a daily basis? |
| 01:55.48 | zChris | man fcron? :) |
| 01:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | open the gui, set the alarm time, a repeat of 'daily', and select 'execute command' or what it's called, and enter the full path to your script or execuable |
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| 01:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | or, on cli, do a "alarmed --help" |
| 01:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | cli interface even supports a crond alike syntax for recurring events |
| 01:58.09 | maher | DocScrutinizer: i don't see an execute script option - is this on the new firmware? |
| 01:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | plus full power of 'date' abstract time definitions, like "fri in 2 weeks" |
| 01:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | uhh, I thought it should be there |
| 01:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 01:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | left button: "command execution" |
| 02:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | botton text field: "enter command" |
| 02:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | what else do you need? |
| 02:00.34 | maher | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 02:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | maher: ?? |
| 02:01.12 | maher | DocScrutinizer: what is left button and which screen should i press it on? |
| 02:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | maher: start alarmed by clicking the icon |
| 02:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | maher: click "new event" |
| 02:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | maher: click the leftmost of the four buttons saying "alarm", a menu pops up, select "command execution" |
| 02:02.27 | maher | DocScrutinizer: do you mean "Clock"? |
| 02:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | ALARMED APP |
| 02:02.54 | maher | DocScrutinizer: where is it? |
| 02:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | extras-devel? |
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| 02:06.10 | maher | DocScrutinizer: hmmm... I have that in sources.d... - ok - I'm going to update the firmware so that will nuke everything anyway... |
| 02:06.51 | maher | Do-m-pie: oh - alarmed is different from alrmd |
| 02:07.05 | maher | DocScrutinizer: oh - alarmed is different from alarmd |
| 02:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it is |
| 02:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | and it's even powering up your device, in case a scheduled event arrives while the N900 is switched off |
| 02:09.07 | pronto | oh wow, the made the smilay icons super ugly in pr1.2 o_o |
| 02:09.54 | Kilroo | wow, bluetooth tethering in general is starting to look more complicated than I'd anticipated. |
| 02:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | maher: probably alarmed won't install flawlessly on PR1.1 |
| 02:10.16 | ShadowJK | pronto, smiley icons are ugly per definition ;-) |
| 02:10.21 | maher | so RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin <--- this is just / not anything else? |
| 02:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:10.33 | pronto | ShadowJK: well yeah, but they've made them worse , still no way to disable them? |
| 02:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | (plus /home/opt) |
| 02:10.47 | ShadowJK | dunno :( |
| 02:11.42 | pronto | x.x |
| 02:11.57 | maher | oh well - i have backups |
| 02:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | maher: well, actually it's kernel, plus /, plus a script that will optify some things and erase /home/opt/* during the process |
| 02:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | maher: that's why it's called "COMBINED" I guess |
| 02:13.40 | maher | DocScrutinizer: one day debian will run natively on these things... |
| 02:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | meego |
| 02:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | though I guess you could install a debian as well, even natively. You just will lose phone, wlan?, GFX-accel, and charging |
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| 02:15.52 | Proteous | heh |
| 02:15.52 | Proteous | who needs charging |
| 02:15.58 | Proteous | wlan? for losers |
| 02:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, especially since I could toss you a one-liner to make it charge ;-P |
| 02:17.18 | Proteous | I don't get it |
| 02:17.20 | Proteous | heh |
| 02:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | and chances are it will charge for 32minutes and up to 3.7V even without that oneliner |
| 02:17.54 | maher | DocScrutinizer: no - it has to be debian, because no else cares about upgrade in place |
| 02:18.14 | Kilroo | Arch linux on a phone |
| 02:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you say, honey :-) |
| 02:18.54 | maher | ok - what do you do when your device is bricked? |
| 02:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | back to TV |
| 02:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 02:19.35 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 02:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | is the method of choice for 'bricked' devices |
| 02:21.06 | maher | ok - it did something |
| 02:23.13 | maher | i lost both terminal and ssh - gordon bennet |
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| 02:25.25 | maher | doh |
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| 02:34.51 | maher | does the maemo dpkg support --set-selections? |
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| 03:12.26 | Cabletwitch | Yo yo. |
| 03:13.05 | Cabletwitch | Now that its out, is the new patch all its cracked up to be? |
| 03:13.33 | Cabletwitch | Buggered if I can tell much difference. |
| 03:14.54 | GeneralAntilles | Browser zooming isn't broken as shit. |
| 03:15.50 | Proteous | although the cueing up of browsers scrolls with the dpad is sort of (very) annoying |
| 03:15.56 | Proteous | for us arrow key scrollers |
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| 03:24.54 | tgalal | why oh why TWO successful communication backup before upgrade to 1.2 result in TWO corrupted db files !!?? |
| 03:25.17 | luke-jr | ROFL |
| 03:27.51 | Cabletwitch | Anyone else not liking the 'new' menu? |
| 03:28.52 | arachnist | better than the old one |
| 03:29.58 | Cabletwitch | I kinda liked the 2 stage setup. I keep going into the settings out of habit now. Any way it can be reverted? |
| 03:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | Proteous, yeah, filled a bug. |
| 03:33.04 | luke-jr | LOL |
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| 03:40.44 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: http://tinyurl.com/agspa9 |
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| 03:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | Cabletwitch, install Catorise. |
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| 03:47.25 | maher | where does modest keep its settings? |
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| 03:51.30 | jscinoz | Hi |
| 03:51.44 | jscinoz | I'm wondering if its possible to change the default command executed by osso-xterm? |
| 03:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | maher, gconf |
| 03:52.38 | maher | GeneralAntilles: what's wrong with a text file i can edit by hand... |
| 03:53.24 | maher | can i copy my old email settings over to the new firmware somehow? |
| 03:53.53 | pronto | neat, they got rid of search on the applicatoin manager... |
| 03:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | maher, it's centralized and standardized. |
| 03:54.18 | ShadowJK | You can start typing things and it searches the list |
| 03:54.22 | GeneralAntilles | pronto, just start typing. . . . |
| 03:54.26 | ShadowJK | not same thing of course :( |
| 03:54.45 | GeneralAntilles | maher, you don't have a bunch of arbitrarily formatted text files hanging around. |
| 03:54.46 | pronto | oh? before they acutaly had a seach button xD |
| 03:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | maher, it also doesn't require reloading the config file everytime a setting changes. |
| 03:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | pronto, lists have live search now. |
| 03:56.15 | maher | GeneralAntilles: why did the email settings disappear when i upgraded to 1.2? was that meant to happen or did something go wrong? |
| 03:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | maher, how did you upgrade? |
| 03:57.16 | pronto | anyone know a program that will share directly to your own ftp server, not to that pixelpipe? |
| 03:57.29 | maher | GeneralAntilles: flasher |
| 03:57.36 | GeneralAntilles | maher, why didn't you install OTA? |
| 03:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | maher, flasher is like formatting your hard drive and reinstalling. |
| 03:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | So if you didn't create and restore a backup, of course it's not going to retain your settings. |
| 03:58.36 | maher | GeneralAntilles: what is ota? |
| 03:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | maher, Over the Air |
| 03:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | SSU |
| 03:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | Installing the system update through the application manager. |
| 03:59.17 | maher | GeneralAntilles: i didn't realise you could do that - otherwise i would of course have done that |
| 03:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | maher, well, The More You Know. |
| 04:00.34 | maher | GeneralAntilles: for future reference how do i do that? |
| 04:00.52 | GeneralAntilles | maher, you know how it flashes update notifications at you from the statusbar? |
| 04:01.01 | maher | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 04:01.17 | GeneralAntilles | maher, same as that, except it says Maemo Update instead of 3rd party. |
| 04:01.30 | maher | GeneralAntilles: i don't think it did that |
| 04:02.05 | GeneralAntilles | maher, what region are you in? |
| 04:02.16 | GeneralAntilles | Not all regions get the OTA update pushed at the same time. |
| 04:02.25 | maher | GeneralAntilles: i'm in the us |
| 04:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | maher, yeah, I think we got it yesterday. |
| 04:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure, though. |
| 04:02.47 | Cabletwitch | General: I tried catorise, but I prefer the old 2-tier system of menus, tbh. |
| 04:03.06 | GeneralAntilles | Cabletwitch, Catorise is two-tier. :P |
| 04:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | Cabletwitch, well, feel free to futz with the .desktop files. |
| 04:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | They're reasonably easy to organize. |
| 04:03.36 | Cabletwitch | Oh? |
| 04:03.51 | Cabletwitch | Hmm, something else to mess with, whee :O) |
| 04:03.51 | maher | GeneralAntilles: i fact last couple of times i tried to update it was stuck because of conflicts due to lack of availability of the firmware - i didn't realise if i just waited it would eventually find it... |
| 04:03.53 | jscinoz | Hello |
| 04:03.54 | GeneralAntilles | Cabletwitch, actually, I think it's configurable in PR1.2 |
| 04:03.58 | GeneralAntilles | Cabletwitch, tap'n'hold. |
| 04:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | maher, Nokia does staggered releases like it's 2004 for some reason. |
| 04:04.42 | Cabletwitch | I can move them about, sure. But I want the old 'More' icon back :O) |
| 04:05.36 | maher | well that justed wasted an hour of my life for no reason |
| 04:05.59 | jscinoz | the wireless on the n900 is somewhat screwy :( |
| 04:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | maher, any experience is worth having, no? ;) |
| 04:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | jscinoz, how so? |
| 04:06.51 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: it associates fine, and gets an IP address, but i cant actually do anything, cant ping the router or any other hosts on the network |
| 04:06.57 | jscinoz | and its not just my own wlan, but any network i've tried it on |
| 04:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | jscinoz, mmm, powersaving may be being weird. |
| 04:07.13 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: any suggestions? |
| 04:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | You can try reducing it a bit in settings. |
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| 04:07.31 | Cabletwitch | No problems with wifi so far here. |
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| 04:07.46 | jscinoz | ill try that |
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| 04:08.09 | jscinoz | i had to reflash it because the thing spontaneously decided it didnt want to boot... and i dont want to reinstall all the packages i had over hsdpa |
| 04:08.39 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: where are the wireless power saving settings located? |
| 04:08.42 | maher | i am now unbelievably bitter |
| 04:09.22 | GeneralAntilles | jscinoz, under the networking/connectivity/whatever settings in the control panel. |
| 04:09.50 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: only relevent thing there is internet connections, and it has no mention of powersaving |
| 04:09.58 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: perhaps a config file i can edit? or a gconf key i can set manually? |
| 04:10.04 | Cabletwitch | Bitter? Whyfor, maher? |
| 04:10.31 | ShadowJK | he used nsu without realizing it's a reformat |
| 04:10.57 | jscinoz | good thing the command line flasher doesnt touch the other stuff unless you ask it to |
| 04:11.19 | jscinoz | n900 likes to spontaneously brick (at least mine does) and thankfully i dont lose contacts or calendar when i reflash it |
| 04:11.34 | maher | ShadowJK: i new it nuked / - i didn't realise if i just waited there was another way |
| 04:12.06 | Cabletwitch | Fingers crossed, not bricked thnis one yet. But I dont play with unstabke stuff, so thats a good reason why. |
| 04:12.08 | ShadowJK | Also there's a backup/restore app on every n900 ;-) |
| 04:12.26 | ShadowJK | has never had to flash his n900 |
| 04:12.46 | TheVirtualVortex | flashed once to install PR1.2 because OTA didn't work |
| 04:13.08 | ShadowJK | hasnt tried to upgrade to 1.2 yet |
| 04:13.39 | TheVirtualVortex | wonders what ShadowJK is waiting for |
| 04:13.42 | TheVirtualVortex | ;-) |
| 04:14.07 | ShadowJK | reports on what's broken |
| 04:14.20 | TheVirtualVortex | I didn't have any particular issues so far |
| 04:14.21 | ShadowJK | it'd suck to lose something I use |
| 04:14.29 | TheVirtualVortex | for example ? |
| 04:14.31 | ShadowJK | especially as downgrading could be hard |
| 04:14.39 | TheVirtualVortex | yes, that's true |
| 04:15.00 | ShadowJK | or lose performance from the optification |
| 04:15.19 | ShadowJK | just last week figured out how to make gpodder not be uberslow D: |
| 04:15.28 | Cabletwitch | Optification? You making up words now? XD |
| 04:15.31 | TheVirtualVortex | I see |
| 04:16.02 | jscinoz | Is there a way to re-enable support for Imap-idle in modest on the n900? |
| 04:16.05 | ShadowJK | the moving of stuff from the 256meg nand to the 32gig emmc |
| 04:16.09 | jscinoz | other than recompiling it |
| 04:16.13 | Dima202 | This morning I woke up because the shortcut to media player started running a music stream |
| 04:16.37 | Dima202 | I noticed there was a missed call too but why did it start playign radio i have no idea |
| 04:17.22 | Dima202 | maybe the ghost in my room learned how to use touch screen? |
| 04:17.30 | ShadowJK | the media player widget is known to unpause after calls.. |
| 04:17.40 | TheVirtualVortex | lol. interesting |
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| 04:19.34 | Proteous | my connection drops after a about 10 seconds of inactivity when tethering using 3g but stays up fine when using GSM |
| 04:19.50 | Proteous | this is using wvdial on linux |
| 04:21.17 | ShadowJK | mine doesn't drop, but there's a large delay before data starts moving after a period of inactivity |
| 04:21.27 | ShadowJK | so I keep a ping running |
| 04:21.29 | Proteous | mine actualy stops working |
| 04:21.38 | Proteous | if I keep ping or something running it stays up |
| 04:21.54 | Proteous | wonder if I can change some of the timeouts in the ppp config files |
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| 04:23.51 | maher | is there some way i can increase the smtp timeout in modest? |
| 04:24.04 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: turning powersaving off does not help |
| 04:24.20 | jscinoz | GeneralAntilles: I still get an IP, but i cant actually connect to any hosts on my local network |
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| 04:27.57 | ear_wax | has anyone else had issues with sudo in pr1.2? |
| 04:28.30 | jscinoz | whee i have absolutely no wireless connectivity |
| 04:28.55 | jscinoz | so i have to fuck around with usbnet if i want to do an update and not get charged over $9000 by my carrier for using hsdpa too much. |
| 04:29.25 | ear_wax | fun fun. u |
| 04:30.04 | ear_wax | you have no radios at all?? bt/wifi/etc |
| 04:31.47 | ear_wax | my sudoers file is blank, idk if thats correct in meamo |
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| 04:33.21 | jscinoz | what is the default dhcp client in pr1.2, i thought it was dhcpcd as it was before, but thats apparently not there anymore |
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| 04:35.54 | Cabletwitch | Ooh, thats nifty... |
| 04:35.59 | pronto | ? |
| 04:36.10 | Cabletwitch | figures out the volume rocker switches channels in xchat |
| 04:36.18 | pronto | o= |
| 04:36.19 | pronto | really? |
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| 04:36.29 | Cabletwitch | The things you find out by accident, eh? |
| 04:36.30 | pronto | thats new |
| 04:36.36 | pronto | you on pr1.2? |
| 04:36.41 | Cabletwitch | Yah. |
| 04:36.42 | pronto | that didnt use to happen |
| 04:36.53 | Cabletwitch | But it did it before that, I think. |
| 04:36.57 | pronto | really? |
| 04:37.02 | pronto | oh well, either way \o/ |
| 04:37.07 | Cabletwitch | I'm pretty sure. |
| 04:37.18 | pronto | that makes things better \o/ |
| 04:37.24 | Cabletwitch | I only found out by accident, when I hit the rocker. |
| 04:37.28 | jscinoz | Hi. |
| 04:37.33 | Proteous | just wait till you are in xchat and the porn site you have open in the browser starts playing loud sounds right when your GF walks by |
| 04:37.38 | jscinoz | What Is The DHCP Client On The N900. |
| 04:37.39 | Proteous | and all you can do is fastly switch windows |
| 04:38.04 | jscinoz | its probably you know, like what? 10 characters to answer? Wouldn't be that difficult. considering the collossal fuckup PR1.2 is there is little information. |
| 04:38.06 | pronto | if you're watching porn on a phone. ... :s |
| 04:38.18 | Cabletwitch | Buddy, porn makes you squint enough as is. On the N900, you'd go blind for sure XD |
| 04:38.20 | ear0wax | oh crap it does |
| 04:38.37 | Proteous | jscinoz, maybe we dont' know |
| 04:38.40 | Proteous | go look |
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| 04:38.47 | jscinoz | nevermind i found it |
| 04:38.53 | Proteous | ... |
| 04:38.53 | jscinoz | udhcpc if anyone else if interested |
| 04:38.57 | jscinoz | see kids sharing information is not that hard. |
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| 04:39.07 | Proteous | cya, don't let the door hit you |
| 04:39.10 | Cabletwitch | Someone is having their period... |
| 04:39.12 | ear0wax | lol ass |
| 04:39.31 | pronto | theres jsut one last thing i want, a way to share images directly via scp/ftp with out going though pixelpipe x.x |
| 04:40.24 | Proteous | open terminal client > send picture via scp using "scp name@server:path/to/picture" > profit |
| 04:40.48 | pronto | easier to just do it via the gui on a phone |
| 04:40.53 | ear0wax | anyone know how i can get my sudo working for user? root (and sudo gainroot) work fine |
| 04:41.13 | Proteous | not sure |
| 04:41.50 | pronto | because with the gui, i can add a name to the photo, so my script will rename it on my server |
| 04:42.13 | ear0wax | I think its broken because I went pr1.1.1>leaked1.2>offical 1.2 all without a mmc flash |
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| 04:52.50 | RST38h | <yawn> |
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| 04:56.36 | Termana | morning RST38h |
| 04:56.48 | RST38h | mourning. |
| 04:59.38 | undrwater | mourning? |
| 04:59.44 | Proteous | mouring |
| 04:59.51 | Proteous | ahoy! |
| 04:59.53 | undrwater | mooring? |
| 04:59.59 | Proteous | tiver me shimbers |
| 05:00.21 | undrwater | savoy mare latey! |
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| 05:07.58 | pronto | i wonder if it'll save battery by using 3 desktops rather then four |
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| 05:55.15 | ear0wax | I noticed the twitter widget completely kills battery |
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| 06:16.11 | Proteous | it's weird, the tethered 3g connection doesn't die. I am still connected to the "modem" but it just doesn't let me out to the interwebs. |
| 06:16.37 | Proteous | although if i load a webpage on the phone the tethered 3g connection starts working again once the page is finished loading |
| 06:16.41 | pupnik | well now. pr1.2 installed via apt-get upgrade and it reboots too. nice |
| 06:17.54 | Proteous | my hacked solution is to start a ssh connection with a serveraliveinterval of 5 seconds |
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| 06:25.54 | pupnik | Proteous: ping works also |
| 06:27.29 | Proteous | sure, but who wants to be pinged every 5 seconds |
| 06:29.19 | pupnik | doesnt bother me |
| 06:30.30 | pigeon | is the new ovi store supposed to be out already? |
| 06:30.35 | MacDrunk | hey |
| 06:30.49 | luke-jr | Proteous: uh, ping is going to be less than your serveraliveinterval |
| 06:31.04 | MacDrunk | i thow that maemo and ibm were merge in a new os system |
| 06:31.30 | arachnist | ibm? |
| 06:31.35 | luke-jr | you mean Nokia and Intel |
| 06:31.38 | Proteous | luke-jr: well, my ssh is usefull |
| 06:31.39 | MacDrunk | yea yea |
| 06:31.40 | MacDrunk | sorry |
| 06:31.44 | luke-jr | and that's in #MeeGo |
| 06:31.49 | MacDrunk | so |
| 06:31.49 | Proteous | for doing sshy things |
| 06:31.50 | Proteous | :P |
| 06:31.53 | luke-jr | and half this room hates MeeGo |
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| 06:31.57 | luke-jr | and the other half loves it |
| 06:31.57 | MacDrunk | why |
| 06:32.08 | luke-jr | I'm not sure the haters have a consensus on reason why |
| 06:32.09 | MacDrunk | meego sucks or what??? |
| 06:32.24 | arachnist | meego uses rpm |
| 06:32.31 | gst-kaps | any idea how can we test a maemo app without N900 ? |
| 06:32.41 | Termana | arachnist, bingo - number one reason that people hate it for some reason |
| 06:32.46 | Termana | but to hell with it |
| 06:32.49 | Termana | Haters gonna hate |
| 06:33.04 | arachnist | i actually hate dpkg/deb more than rpm |
| 06:33.30 | arachnist | (mainly due to the fact, that rpm spec files are easier to write) |
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| 06:40.40 | CLabel | tar would have been best. ;) |
| 06:41.12 | CLabel | no added complexity |
| 06:42.45 | gst-kaps | how to test maemo without N900 |
| 06:42.47 | gst-kaps | ? |
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| 06:45.01 | Proteous | http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 06:46.33 | CLabel | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_fremantle_and_diablo_sdk_virtual_image_final_version_released/ |
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| 07:07.35 | Bilaw | Hallo all! |
| 07:07.47 | pupnik | huhu |
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| 07:08.47 | Bilaw | âhave installed Easy Debian on N900: works fine, only there are three submenus to Synaptic, and⦠I donât know the default root password, can anyoneâ¦? |
| 07:10.07 | MohammadAG | Bilaw, open the menu, then click Debian chroot |
| 07:10.16 | MohammadAG | then change the password using passwd |
| 07:12.33 | Bilaw | cheers, MohammadAG â I realise I canât do it right now (have updated the firmware, and of course all programs erased), but Iâll do it soon |
| 07:13.16 | MohammadAG | Bilaw, the image should still be there, unless you flashed the eMMC |
| 07:16.07 | pupnik | which part of pr1.2 is supposed to fix duplicate MyDocs folders bug? I still have dupes |
| 07:17.03 | pupnik | ahh that is the fault of catorise nm |
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| 07:17.57 | Bilaw | MohammadAG: so all I need to do is to launch the image, no need to type some command specific in the terminal?? |
| 07:18.15 | MohammadAG | Bilaw, there's a shortcut for everything |
| 07:18.25 | MohammadAG | just install easy debian and easy chroot |
| 07:18.35 | MohammadAG | and you're done, no need to redownload |
| 07:18.46 | Bilaw | Ok, so were agreed. |
| 07:18.54 | Bilaw | cheers, mate! |
| 07:19.10 | MohammadAG | yw :) |
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| 07:24.21 | Bilaw | another question: If I want to install an alternative OS on my tablet, which dâyou think is best for me, who have no knowlegde in computing? |
| 07:24.34 | Bilaw | â there is a page on maemo, |
| 07:25.00 | Bilaw | but it doesnât state the level of completion of the works⦠|
| 07:25.26 | ear0wax | i would just stick with easy deb |
| 07:25.53 | Termana | Don't try that at home folks! |
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| 07:26.34 | Termana | My monitor plug was half way out, I tried pushing it in, and got some nice blue sparks |
| 07:26.39 | pupnik | funny question Bilaw - i would suggest "none" |
| 07:26.56 | ear0wax | i say that because of the driver issue |
| 07:27.08 | Bilaw | Humpfle, ear0wax & pupnik⦠|
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| 07:27.48 | mc_teo | does any fremantle browser have socks support? |
| 07:27.56 | Bilaw | (humpfle meaning that I feel bad hearing that) |
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| 07:30.41 | pupnik | Bilaw: other oses are for hacking and development. Maemo is stable |
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| 07:34.49 | mc_teo | does any fremantle browser have socks support? |
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| 07:40.33 | Termana | mc_teo, does any fremantle browser have feet? NO - so no use for socks |
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| 07:41.21 | Termana | mc_teo, :P in all seriousness try this - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=550991&postcount=12 |
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| 07:47.11 | Chiku | does microb support mozilla weave ? |
| 07:47.30 | Chiku | or you need fennex? |
| 07:48.08 | MohammadAG | fennec |
| 07:50.10 | pupnik | "The 1mhz 6809 can do 4000 ADD cycles in one frame (1/60 second) of Robotron." |
| 07:50.20 | pupnik | that was game programming :) |
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| 07:51.29 | rcg | pupnik: your talking of the old robotron from german democratic republic? |
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| 07:51.56 | pupnik | no williams Robotron 2084 |
| 07:52.04 | rcg | heh ic |
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| 07:52.31 | pupnik | possibly runnable on some robotron system. did any have bit-addrressable graphics? |
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| 07:53.53 | rcg | well am no expert there .. i was just wondering if you meant the same .. they produced quite robust technology .. meaning robust in the mechanical sense ;) |
| 07:54.08 | rcg | like printers made the ground shake when operated robust |
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| 07:57.19 | pupnik | # Adam made up a "NOP NOP" joke. "Who's there?" "NOBODY". |
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| 08:07.11 | mc_teo | does any fremantle browser have socks support? |
| 08:07.14 | mc_teo | ... |
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| 08:16.28 | MohammadAG | pokes frals |
| 08:16.43 | MohammadAG | you got MMS working, when's 3G video calling coming? :) |
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| 08:27.28 | SwedeMike | I've tried to make skype video calls and my local camera picture goes live, but other end doesn't see that I have a webcam, and I can't receive their webcam, anyone successfully got that working? |
| 08:27.39 | ear0wax | i video call with gtalk on edge. EDGE |
| 08:27.54 | ear0wax | no one can recive skype video atm |
| 08:28.22 | SwedeMike | ear0wax: hm, so I should try gtalk as well... interesting. |
| 08:29.55 | frals | slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:30.11 | SwedeMike | hm, but google talk client for linux seems to be lacking. |
| 08:30.19 | frals | MohammadAG: ill let someone else tackle that one, i can't have all the fun... ;) |
| 08:30.32 | ear0wax | use gmails built in gtalk |
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| 08:31.53 | misc-- | hi all, I'm trying to install the mobilehotspot according to instructions at http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ but the link to hotspot-kernel-flasher is dead |
| 08:32.46 | misc-- | also, if I do apt-get install mobilehotspot (dry run) then it exists and will download required packages - Can I just do it that way or should I follow instructions on the mobilehotspot garage page? (which I need hotspot-kernel-flasher) |
| 08:33.24 | pupnik | misc--: i just installed it and it worked |
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| 08:34.18 | misc-- | pupnik: which method did you use? Just install mobilehotspot via apt-get ? |
| 08:35.22 | pupnik | yes |
| 08:36.20 | misc-- | cool will give it a shot. Thanks |
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| 08:39.04 | misc-- | did you install hotspot-kernel-modules and hotspot-kernel by any chance? |
| 08:39.40 | pupnik | didnt touch kernel |
| 08:39.48 | misc-- | ah ok |
| 08:39.49 | pupnik | am running titan's atm |
| 08:40.03 | pupnik | maybe it includes all the fun you need |
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| 08:40.34 | misc-- | yeah maybe...I'm just running stock one |
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| 08:48.11 | mc_teo | socks5 proxy support anyone? |
| 08:49.17 | Stskeeps | use the internet settins |
| 08:49.21 | Stskeeps | there's proxy stuff in there |
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| 08:51.59 | LuciusMare | Hi, the skype client on fremantle does not support conference calls? |
| 08:53.01 | mc_teo | and ive been using the pecain msn protocol plugin, but now they contacts dont appear in new im? |
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| 08:56.00 | mc_teo | and maemo seriously needs a porn button |
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| 09:01.12 | n900-dk | porn? |
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| 09:07.16 | MohammadAG | <LuciusMare> Hi, the skype client on fremantle does not support conference calls? it does |
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| 09:10.24 | LuciusMare | MohammadAG: oh? When I tried to add another call, the previous one got held... |
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| 09:10.49 | MohammadAG | tap the title menu and merge calls |
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| 09:13.26 | LuciusMare | There is no such thing as "merge calls", only "end held call" |
| 09:13.53 | mc_teo | n900-dk: well more a hide porn button |
| 09:15.58 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare, there is one here |
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| 09:16.08 | LuciusMare | :( |
| 09:16.09 | MohammadAG | LuciusMare, make a call, make another call, then merge them |
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| 09:16.22 | LuciusMare | There is no "merge" button |
| 09:16.26 | MohammadAG | mind you if it's a voip call you can't merge a landline call with it |
| 09:16.28 | MohammadAG | uhh |
| 09:16.36 | mc_teo | and why the hell does app manager have a search anymore? |
| 09:17.22 | LuciusMare | Do I need to make a screenshot? |
| 09:17.45 | frals | mc_teo: start typing, its live filter |
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| 09:24.07 | mc_teo | i dont want to use pidgin :( |
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| 09:47.07 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
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| 10:03.15 | Stskeeps | lo BaTmAn |
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| 10:04.54 | Trizt | mc_teo: it has a search, just start typing |
| 10:05.18 | mc_teo | i know? |
| 10:05.41 | Trizt | I don't know if you know |
| 10:05.54 | mc_teo | i know! |
| 10:06.29 | mc_teo | i know if i know, and i definately know that i know! |
| 10:06.38 | Trizt | good :) |
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| 10:07.38 | mc_teo | n900 doesnt have an Alt key, how would i switch tabs in irssi? |
| 10:08.53 | mc_teo | s/windows/tabs/ |
| 10:09.08 | mc_teo | n900 doesnt have an Alt key, how would i switch tabs in irssi? |
| 10:09.11 | mc_teo | s/tabs/windows/ |
| 10:09.23 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.26 | SpeedEvil | It does too have an alt key |
| 10:09.26 | pupnik | ctrl n ctrl p |
| 10:09.28 | jacekowski | or ctrl+n |
| 10:10.21 | mc_teo | and why is nokia suite associated with .jars |
| 10:10.23 | SpeedEvil | In xchat, I have shift-numbers (shift-blue-toprow-letters) bound to switch cannels |
| 10:10.33 | mc_teo | thats pretty retarded |
| 10:10.45 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: not you, btw |
| 10:10.50 | mc_teo | nokia |
| 10:11.32 | SpeedEvil | Regrettably, much of the nokia sw is. |
| 10:11.50 | jacekowski | mc_teo: because it can install jars on some phones |
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| 10:15.49 | Trewas | mc_teo: esc+number also changes tabs in irssi |
| 10:18.57 | pupnik | one more column of keys, or another row. bring back the "Esc" key! |
| 10:19.29 | pupnik | Whoever is anti-esc at nokia, yer wrong! :) |
| 10:19.54 | pupnik | stamps foot like 4 year old |
| 10:19.55 | SpeedEvil | I want shift-blue to be configurable |
| 10:20.05 | SpeedEvil | As with shift-z and blue-a |
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| 10:20.13 | SpeedEvil | So you can setup blue-a to be alt |
| 10:20.16 | SpeedEvil | or tab |
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| 10:42.43 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: blue-a? |
| 10:42.51 | RST38h | Ho ho ho, "I am so angry/sad/disappointed" party is in the full swing at tmo! |
| 10:43.01 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: you can bind alt to blue-a. |
| 10:43.44 | SpeedEvil | you can? |
| 10:45.08 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: well yes. Edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 and your keyboard layout, put in something like key <AC01>{ \[a,A,Alt_L,Alt_L] }; |
| 10:45.17 | Shapeshifter | I am guessing it should work. I mean, why shouldn't it. |
| 10:45.23 | Shapeshifter | it works with other keys, so why not with Alt_L |
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| 10:46.09 | SpeedEvil | neat! |
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| 10:46.29 | SpeedEvil | actually - you may get chording issues - I don't recall the key layout well |
| 10:51.07 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: meh, well it doesn't seem to work just yet. but I'm certain it's a matter of configuration |
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| 10:53.24 | TheGerman | good morning |
| 10:54.37 | TheGerman | after upgrade, my conversation history is 'broken', so new calls or messages wouldn't be stored... any ideas to fix it? |
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| 10:56.33 | Shapeshifter | I don't undestand what an eight level layout is, anyway ._. |
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| 10:57.15 | ali1234 | hello. just stopping by to complain that the nokia update yet again wants me to wipe and reflash. what's the point of having a poackage manager if you're not going to use it? |
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| 10:58.06 | chadi | Go to your led pattern editor. set the color of missed call notofication to purple, click test, it appears in nice purple. now apply it, and miss call the phone, the notification appears as pink. Any idea what's wrong here? |
| 10:58.45 | TheGerman | chadi reboot? |
| 10:58.54 | chadi | even if I apply it manually, ie color rb, same result |
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| 10:59.05 | chadi | TheGerman I indeed did reboot |
| 10:59.25 | TheGerman | renamed the fgenerated file? |
| 11:00.23 | chadi | if you want, assume I don't have led pattern editor. I edit the file manually, changing the color to rb. Now I run led pattern editor, I test, it apears as purple, but when i miss call myself, it appears pinkish |
| 11:00.47 | Shapeshifter | I'm also what business /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 has on the n900. |
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| 11:00.57 | TheGerman | hmh no idea |
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| 11:01.19 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: There may be 8 'rows' on the keyboard - split into columns |
| 11:01.32 | chadi | TheAppleMan: do you have LED pattern editor? can you try it yourself? |
| 11:01.33 | TheGerman | but whats with my database problem? ^^ |
| 11:01.50 | chadi | TheGerman* sorry |
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| 11:02.29 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: but with a 4 level layout you have nothing+button, shift+button, blue+button, blue+shift+button. that way you get 4 ways. But with 8 levels? How'd you ever reach them? |
| 11:02.37 | TheGerman | i cant try it because my calling database is broken |
| 11:02.42 | Shapeshifter | you'd need an additional modkey, |
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| 11:03.36 | Shapeshifter | like: nothing+button, shift+button, blue+button, green+button, shift+blue+button, green+blue+button, shift+green+button |
| 11:03.50 | Shapeshifter | which is only 7 |
| 11:04.19 | Shapeshifter | I don't understand how they get to 8 |
| 11:04.35 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: I mean 8 electrical |
| 11:04.45 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: huh? |
| 11:05.09 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, is it possible for the device to record in 720p? |
| 11:05.14 | Shapeshifter | the russian and norsk layout use these 8-level things. but they don't have electrically different n900s |
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| 11:05.15 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Unsure |
| 11:05.18 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, with the size of the lens |
| 11:05.35 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: The lens can easily resolve 720p |
| 11:05.46 | Shapeshifter | ah, you can of course switch modes. |
| 11:05.50 | Shapeshifter | that gives you 2*4 |
| 11:05.51 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the video recorder will do it |
| 11:06.01 | TheGerman | no ideas? |
| 11:06.04 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so it's a software limitation? |
| 11:06.04 | SpeedEvil | oh - right Shapeshifter. I was being confused. |
| 11:06.34 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I'm unsure if the hardware has the capacity to take 720p video. |
| 11:06.42 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: At full rate that is |
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| 11:16.30 | Nitial | samsung omnia hd has the very same cortex a8 and it records 720p video at 24fps so I guess it is just a software issue |
| 11:18.01 | Shapeshifter | There are several problems to this: 1) maximum cpu encoding speed, 2) transfer rate to emmc for caching unencoded data and or saving encoded data. |
| 11:18.19 | Shapeshifter | caching is probably impossible because it's just too slow |
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| 11:20.32 | Arkenoi | has strange feeling that pr1.2 is much less "stable" than 1.1.1. I see too many minor glitches. |
| 11:22.45 | chadi | Arkenoi: 1.2.1 |
| 11:23.32 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: it's not the CPU which does the encoding |
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| 11:23.51 | SpeedEvil | cortex a8 is not a CPU |
| 11:23.55 | SpeedEvil | It's a CPU core. |
| 11:24.01 | SpeedEvil | The peripherals can vary. |
| 11:24.16 | SpeedEvil | Including - for example - video encoder units and scalers. |
| 11:25.34 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - it's not a SoC - it's a CPU core |
| 11:30.17 | Shapeshifter | ah |
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| 11:38.11 | pupnik | GBA remakes, ROMs and source: http://sites.google.com/site/gbaremakes/home/downloads |
| 11:41.36 | pupnik | could use a vsync-driven game loop demo |
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| 11:44.32 | pupnik | 1) give pupnik vsync signal 2) pupnik swaps framebuffer 3) lcd controller updates screen |
| 11:44.47 | pupnik | how hard is that :( |
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| 11:49.43 | MohammadAG | has anyone had problems booting up from a damn ubuntu disc? |
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| 11:54.36 | Stskeeps | it's mr butcher! |
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| 12:13.57 | frals | im an expert at uploading my package ~3minutes after the autobuilder starts importing |
| 12:14.42 | SpeedEvil | You should be by now. |
| 12:14.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:17.09 | chem|st | can anybody confirm bug 10304 ? |
| 12:17.10 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10304 Contacts not being recognised in Phone or SMS Conversations |
| 12:17.32 | chem|st | or has an idea how to fix this |
| 12:18.24 | pupnik | works here. open contacts, send sms |
| 12:18.41 | frals | i think revdkathy got that bug as well, but not seen her on irc lately |
| 12:18.47 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: Maybe they use grub and not isolinux with your mobo not being able to boot from cd-grub |
| 12:19.29 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it can boot from both |
| 12:19.38 | MohammadAG | and they use ISOlinux |
| 12:20.47 | MohammadAG | It seems to stop @ run level 5 |
| 12:21.55 | tybollt | chem|st: that sounds like what I had - it was due to one nnmber being in multiple contacts |
| 12:22.13 | tybollt | chem|st: I merged the two contacts - presto no more problems |
| 12:22.30 | crashanddie | anyone who gets me jeff bertolucci's email address gets a cookie. |
| 12:22.31 | tybollt | presto? prästost? :S |
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| 12:28.42 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: maybe this is a good moment to try another distro? :> |
| 12:29.30 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, my experience with Debian hasn't been that great, it couldn't detect any of my drives |
| 12:30.44 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: depending on what kind of user you are: www.archlinux.org |
| 12:30.56 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, hell no! |
| 12:32.06 | mc_teo | wow, pr1.2 sucks my battery |
| 12:33.05 | GeneralAntilles | Mine improved by a noticeable amount. |
| 12:33.26 | MohammadAG | Same |
| 12:33.28 | n900-dk | dont understand why I have to confirm installation of every update, after I pressed "update all".. |
| 12:33.29 | MohammadAG | (as GAN) |
| 12:33.44 | MohammadAG | n900-dk, cause if you don't some smartass might sue |
| 12:33.48 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 12:33.48 | cure` | my phone is so responsive now having done a full reflash |
| 12:33.56 | cure` | had tons of garbage on it tho |
| 12:34.22 | GeneralAntilles | "MeeGo phone will be capacitive, more stylish and more beautiful with simpler UI that average users will find as equally compelling as tech leaders." |
| 12:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia can go die in a fire. |
| 12:34.42 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles++ |
| 12:35.00 | tybollt | GeneralAntilles: where you at reading this? |
| 12:35.06 | GeneralAntilles | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/05/29/video-meego-qa-with-alberto-torres-nokia-evp-meego-computers-at-openmobile/ |
| 12:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia marketing is a hateful operation. |
| 12:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | Business moreso. |
| 12:37.29 | chem|st | tybollt: I got not a single contact with number dupplets, well maybe gran'pa but thats about it |
| 12:38.17 | chem|st | tybollt: I got that for some of the call-history and I dont have cell douplets |
| 12:39.15 | chem|st | some entries show up with the name but if I tap on them they show like a unknown number |
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| 12:41.09 | chem|st | GeneralAntilles: I think this is my last nxxx then! well maybe I buy a new N900 in 3 years... |
| 12:42.46 | chem|st | pupnik: its not about that I am not able to call or text, its just that after a reflash it looks like something of the pattern engine messed up |
| 12:43.00 | chem|st | I need a way to trigger it by hand or something |
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| 12:44.14 | ZogG | sup |
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| 12:49.36 | pupnik | aah newer sgx drivers in harmattan to fix memory corruption and perhaps give vsync https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9320#c6 |
| 12:49.37 | povbot` | Bug 9320: opengl-es2 rendering bugs |
| 12:50.07 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: heh. |
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| 12:58.51 | vanadismobile | hai thar |
| 12:59.05 | vanadismobile | my accu isn't loading |
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| 12:59.38 | vanadismobile | wat to do? reboot doesn't work |
| 13:00.39 | Stskeeps | your what? |
| 13:00.40 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:00.48 | vanadismobile | battery |
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| 13:02.14 | chem|st | vanadismobile: USB or wall charger |
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| 13:02.54 | vanadismobile | i tried the wall charger and the old nokia charger with adapter |
| 13:03.29 | chem|st | have you tried to charge it after removing the battery with the wall charger (not boot) |
| 13:03.40 | vanadismobile | no |
| 13:03.53 | vanadismobile | brb testing this |
| 13:04.14 | chem|st | remove the bat put it back in and dont power up |
| 13:05.06 | wazd | joppu: ping :) |
| 13:05.16 | wazd | hello people btw |
| 13:05.18 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
| 13:05.47 | GAN900 | chem|st, hoping they'll still do a loaner program |
| 13:06.04 | Corsac | yurgh, tinymail embeds a camel-lite library which provides the same symbols as libcamel from evolution-data-server |
| 13:06.06 | GAN900 | I can't ever see myself paying for a capacitive device. |
| 13:06.23 | ZogG | wazd hola |
| 13:06.26 | ZogG | holla* |
| 13:06.48 | GAN900 | "N900+1 -- More closed, less useful" |
| 13:07.06 | n900-dk | \o/ |
| 13:07.12 | Stskeeps | just hopes it can run meego 1.1 and have it's own keys vault |
| 13:07.23 | ZogG | GAN900 what is N900+1 |
| 13:07.36 | wazd | Stskeeps: I can make a community meego theme btw if you're interested :P |
| 13:07.57 | Stskeeps | wazd: hmm, i might be for the harmattan on n900 project, but i'll poke you later.. |
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| 13:08.29 | wazd | 's totally confused now :) |
| 13:08.30 | ZogG | wazd, there is no UX anyway =) |
| 13:08.43 | ZogG | wazd, or you want to make for maemo5 ? |
| 13:08.45 | wazd | ZogG: *yet* :) |
| 13:09.07 | ZogG | wazd, maybe it wouldn't be out, maybe WW3 will strike =) |
| 13:09.11 | wazd | ZogG: no, for Community Meego release |
| 13:09.22 | ZogG | wazd it's far from there anyway |
| 13:09.28 | wazd | Stskeeps: so harmattan is not meego 1.0 in the end? :) |
| 13:09.48 | chem|st | GAN900: same here, capa sucks |
| 13:09.59 | ZogG | wazd, there is no handset UX till 1.1 as i understand |
| 13:10.08 | Stskeeps | actually, that's not entirely true |
| 13:10.11 | Stskeeps | they say 1.1 trunk, not 1.1 |
| 13:10.18 | chem|st | ZogG: just install xfce |
| 13:10.24 | ZogG | Stskeeps when trunk is out? |
| 13:10.40 | ZogG | chem|st wouldn't have phone functions anyway =) |
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| 13:10.57 | Stskeeps | ZogG: i don't know what the plans are. |
| 13:10.59 | vanadismobile | re |
| 13:11.03 | chem|st | ZogG: sure not but what you need phone functions for? |
| 13:11.08 | Stskeeps | knowing things well, before summer, and everyone goes on holiday |
| 13:11.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:11.14 | vanadismobile | doesn't work properly |
| 13:11.29 | chem|st | vanadismobile: means doesn't charge? |
| 13:11.41 | vanadismobile | got this yellow blinking for about two sec |
| 13:11.54 | vanadismobile | but then it stopped |
| 13:12.12 | ZogG | Stskeeps, pics.livejournal.com/athirn_eleidan/pic/00005bqh/s320x240 - something like that |
| 13:12.18 | chem|st | does it start again with light pressure on the cable? |
| 13:12.37 | ZogG | chem|st, i want to communicate with people at least on phone =((( |
| 13:12.42 | vanadismobile | tried that, but doesn't work |
| 13:12.59 | chem|st | vanadismobile: then its not a broken plug though |
| 13:13.03 | n900-dk | Is it possible to set the background just to a colour? |
| 13:13.16 | ZogG | Stskeeps, what holidays, it's school holidays =) |
| 13:13.17 | chem|st | ZogG: well you got sound and internet make yourself at home! |
| 13:13.31 | vanadismobile | i'm trying to connect it to pc right now |
| 13:13.49 | ZogG | chem|st, i want real life and want to take phone numbers from chicks =( |
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| 13:14.21 | chem|st | ZogG: you wont ever get phone numbers from chicks |
| 13:14.37 | chem|st | you are a geek, geeks dont have a RL |
| 13:15.02 | ZogG | chem|st that's the problem, i don't have life and i'm not geek =( makes me loser |
| 13:15.28 | ZogG | chem|st actually i just don't take numbers - cause not gonna call - i give my number =) |
| 13:15.41 | n900-dk | ZogG: Cheer up - you always have your N900 ;) |
| 13:15.46 | chem|st | holds his hand in "L" shape at his forehead |
| 13:16.11 | ZogG | n900-dk, it's buggy, there is no meaning in life |
| 13:16.12 | vanadismobile | connecting by usb doesn't work |
| 13:16.25 | ZogG | chem|st, how dare you to laugh at me |
| 13:16.25 | n900-dk | ZogG: Sooo sad |
| 13:16.29 | vanadismobile | will reflashing do something? |
| 13:16.38 | chem|st | starts pointing fingers! |
| 13:16.45 | ZogG | cries |
| 13:16.53 | chem|st | vanadismobile: not if it cannot connect... |
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| 13:17.02 | Xenon|XZ | vandis does it charge? |
| 13:17.16 | ZogG | throws wazd at chem|st |
| 13:17.20 | n900-dk | ZogG: Remember, beer can fix any thing :) |
| 13:17.38 | ZogG | n900-dk, yeah, that's why i don't have money as well =) |
| 13:17.41 | wazd | ZogG: why me? :( :) |
| 13:17.43 | chem|st | ~rocket ZogG |
| 13:17.51 | ZogG | haha |
| 13:17.54 | ZogG | fail |
| 13:18.05 | ZogG | ~punch chem|st |
| 13:18.06 | infobot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches chem|st right on the nose |
| 13:18.11 | mikki-kun | n900-dk: since when does beer fix everything? |
| 13:18.21 | vanadismobile | Xenon|XZ, no |
| 13:18.28 | chem|st | ~blow ZogG |
| 13:18.29 | infobot | ACTION blows ZogG |
| 13:18.30 | ZogG | mikki-kun, you are right, absent does |
| 13:18.34 | mikki-kun | >.< |
| 13:18.35 | Corsac | mikki-kun: since the beer invention? |
| 13:18.39 | chem|st | ~blowjob ZogG |
| 13:18.48 | chem|st | ok that doesnt work |
| 13:18.51 | ZogG | chem|st, ~blowjob ZogG* |
| 13:18.55 | mikki-kun | i thought wd-40 and ductape would fix everything... |
| 13:18.56 | ZogG | haha |
| 13:19.16 | chem|st | mikki-kun: thats for mechanical stuff |
| 13:19.47 | ZogG | it's wierd i went to sleep with full batt and in 5 hours it was over, no program running =\ |
| 13:19.49 | mikki-kun | as well as for software... never heard of /dev/ductape and /sys/dev/wd-40 ? |
| 13:20.24 | chem|st | ZogG: had that with PR1 back in february |
| 13:20.29 | ZogG | MohammadAG, haha, say it to ovi |
| 13:20.30 | vanadismobile | battery is loading now |
| 13:20.40 | Xenon|XZ | vandis - what was it? |
| 13:20.46 | ZogG | chem|st first time happened |
| 13:21.00 | chem|st | ZogG: I had that day after day |
| 13:21.05 | ZogG | chem|st, i heard of different bugs i didn't have till pr1.2 =) |
| 13:21.18 | vanadismobile | loose connection |
| 13:21.25 | vanadismobile | it stopped now... |
| 13:21.29 | Xenon|XZ | :( |
| 13:21.33 | ZogG | MohammadAG, are you going again to get whores and drugs from PT? |
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| 13:21.55 | ZogG | vanadismobile, you don't need connection, internet is not real |
| 13:21.55 | MohammadAG | ZogG, they don't have those afiak, IL is for those ;) |
| 13:22.12 | ZogG | MohammadAG, yeah, that's why you need to bring them here =) |
| 13:22.52 | ZogG | MohammadAG, you know you don't have to suffer at board everytime |
| 13:23.03 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I don't lol |
| 13:23.09 | ZogG | you just can dig up tunnel from your house :D |
| 13:23.14 | MohammadAG | sssh |
| 13:23.23 | ZogG | >_> |
| 13:23.25 | ZogG | <_< |
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| 13:23.48 | ZogG | have i blown your secret? =( |
| 13:24.05 | ZogG | stylo is a good song |
| 13:24.07 | ZogG | xmms2> Gorillaz - Stylo (feat. Bobby Womack and Mos Def) ["Plastic Beach" 2010] |
| 13:24.30 | ZogG | wazd, have you done any maemo5 theme? |
| 13:24.39 | wazd | ZogG: yes |
| 13:24.44 | ZogG | link |
| 13:24.58 | wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/marina-theme/ |
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| 13:25.46 | ZogG | not bad |
| 13:26.02 | satmd | nice |
| 13:26.12 | ZogG | anyway i wonder why the speaker icon in statusbar's popup is not used as mute? |
| 13:26.17 | ZogG | it's anyway there |
| 13:26.37 | b-man17 | wow |
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| 13:26.48 | ZogG | small things â that's what makes me happy |
| 13:27.09 | ZogG | so i watched wolfmnan yesterday, what was gorlum doing there? |
| 13:27.13 | b-man17 | wazd: excellent work :) |
| 13:27.38 | wazd | b-man17: thanks, I'm trying to update it for 1.2 |
| 13:27.40 | ZogG | and did Mark Benard from FlashForward died or not? |
| 13:27.52 | wazd | b-man17: but I can't find proper template |
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| 13:28.33 | b-man17 | hmm |
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| 13:29.04 | Xenon|XZ | has anyone noticed that the Personal Dataplan monitor (v0.5-5) doesnt work in PR1.2 ? |
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| 13:30.26 | Xenon|XZ | does launch but ignores data count |
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| 13:30.43 | Shapeshifter | Does someone know where I can get tput from? is it in some gnu package or something? |
| 13:30.48 | ZogG | www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNxbyp6thM&feature=related - HAHAHA |
| 13:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | mooes at the sun |
| 13:33.24 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, sup |
| 13:33.39 | vanad1s | when connected by usb -> the device starts, then the yellow led ist lighting for ~2 secs, then gets green and shuts off |
| 13:33.40 | ZogG | fu internet, i don't have any life cause of you |
| 13:33.48 | Shapeshifter | without tput, I could run this highly entertaining cellular automata script |
| 13:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: welcome to the club |
| 13:34.02 | ZogG | vanad1s bad karma |
| 13:34.15 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer is it party today? \o/ |
| 13:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | internet party :-S |
| 13:34.46 | vanad1s | ZogG, gonna reflash the device now |
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| 13:35.21 | Termana | hey DocScrutinizer |
| 13:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | hey |
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| 13:35.37 | ZogG | vanad1s do it |
| 13:35.58 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> internet party :-S |
| 13:36.01 | MohammadAG | drinks are on me |
| 13:36.04 | ZogG | |~_ â kinda nike symbol =) |
| 13:36.11 | MohammadAG | passes lcuk's 99 bottles of beer |
| 13:36.15 | Termana | tips his drink on MohammadAG |
| 13:36.17 | Termana | literally |
| 13:36.20 | Termana | ON him |
| 13:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: (green off) that's really strange |
| 13:36.34 | vanad1s | suitable device not found -.- |
| 13:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: or what do you mean by "shuts off"? |
| 13:36.53 | ZogG | www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yptlm8h198o - best adv ever |
| 13:36.53 | madduck | has anyone seen the n900 boot to the SIM card PIN entry, then the top part above the dialog turns white and the phone reboots |
| 13:36.56 | madduck | ? |
| 13:37.06 | MohammadAG | not me |
| 13:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: the green light -> black off? |
| 13:37.29 | vanad1s | DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 13:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: or green stays on and screen goes black? |
| 13:38.07 | satmd | does 1.2 have a way to set the default call type on the dialpad? |
| 13:38.11 | vanad1s | 1. i put the usb in |
| 13:38.26 | vanad1s | 2. the device vibrates and the yellow leds starts blinking two times |
| 13:38.38 | vanad1s | 3. the led changes to green |
| 13:38.39 | lipe | Anyone unable to connect to a network with cisco wpa-leap auth? |
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| 13:38.57 | ZogG | vanad1s green is ok, red is pregnant (would do you expect of putting you *usb* plug in? ) |
| 13:39.17 | vanad1s | what? |
| 13:39.23 | apol | is there any way so that when I try to uninstall something it doesn't try to upgrade my system? |
| 13:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~trout ZogG |
| 13:39.33 | infobot | ACTION slaps ZogG around a bit with a large trout! |
| 13:39.35 | MohammadAG | vanad1s, then the display goes off |
| 13:39.42 | madduck | any idea how i can regain control of the phone? |
| 13:39.43 | vanad1s | exactly |
| 13:39.44 | MohammadAG | that's soft power off |
| 13:40.07 | MohammadAG | the device is just charging |
| 13:40.13 | ZogG | madduck sudo :D |
| 13:40.14 | MohammadAG | hold the power button and it powers on |
| 13:40.23 | vanad1s | no it's not, that's the problem |
| 13:40.32 | MohammadAG | ~nuke Nouveau native support in Ubuntu |
| 13:40.33 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Nouveau native support in Ubuntu ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 13:40.34 | madduck | ZogG: if it won't boot? |
| 13:40.36 | ZogG | vanad1s hold for a long time till the led is white |
| 13:40.42 | ZogG | madduck sudo boot |
| 13:40.51 | ZogG | madduck have you upgraded or what? |
| 13:41.04 | ZogG | MohammadAG use nvidia, Luke |
| 13:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: well, my N900 has a broken power switch |
| 13:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: somewhat similar problem |
| 13:41.30 | madduck | no, there was some application upgrades last night, and the personal dataplan monitor could not be upgraded due to a conflict with hildon-something |
| 13:41.39 | vanad1s | DocScrutinizer, okay, and what did you do? |
| 13:41.48 | madduck | and then suddenly, there were internal errors and e.g. the Phone application wouldn't start anymore |
| 13:41.51 | madduck | so i rebooted |
| 13:41.58 | madduck | and now it's power-cycling endlessly |
| 13:42.17 | ZogG | madduck flash it |
| 13:42.18 | MohammadAG | theer's always R&... no |
| 13:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | for now it works occasionally. but I could et a parameter in flasher r&d mode so it stays on when plugging in to usb |
| 13:42.41 | ZogG | MohammadAG shhh, don't you see grownups are talking |
| 13:42.42 | madduck | it starts, vibrates, shows Nokia on white, then the little busy dots, then black, then again the busy dots, then white led and nokia on white, then black, then restart. |
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| 13:42.55 | madduck | ZogG: the OS, eh? |
| 13:43.13 | MohammadAG | madduck, a video could help :) |
| 13:43.18 | ZogG | madduck yes, prob hildon or X is brokne =) |
| 13:43.20 | MohammadAG | oh nvm |
| 13:43.30 | madduck | MohammadAG: really? |
| 13:43.30 | MohammadAG | sorry I thought vanad1s said that |
| 13:43.35 | ZogG | MohammadAG phone can't log in into X prob =) |
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| 13:43.46 | madduck | ZogG: okay, so i will flash |
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| 13:44.03 | MohammadAG | NOLO should have a framebuffer option |
| 13:44.11 | MohammadAG | that doesn't need a kernel reflash |
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| 13:44.32 | MohammadAG | ideally fbcon would be toggled by holding the F button |
| 13:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: you should test with just battery in, if you can power it up or at least make led shine by pressing powerbutton |
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| 13:45.04 | vanad1s | DocScrutinizer, that works properly |
| 13:45.12 | vanad1s | the device is normaly booting |
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| 13:45.26 | ZogG | madduck have a backup? |
| 13:45.49 | madduck | ZogG: of the data? |
| 13:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: sorry then I'm out of ideas |
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| 13:46.11 | madduck | not a recent one, but it doesn't matter much |
| 13:46.19 | madduck | i thought flashing didn't erase the data |
| 13:46.34 | Xenon|XZ | cheers |
| 13:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: what happens when you plug in the charger on a working system? |
| 13:46.47 | ZogG | madduck apps and contacts and calendar |
| 13:46.55 | vanad1s | the charger is working |
| 13:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | vanad1s: then lock the screen with the sliding switch |
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| 13:47.26 | madduck | ZogG: i have the contacts elsewhere, the apps i'll just reinstall, and i don't use the calendar, so⦠|
| 13:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | should show green led and black screen |
| 13:47.31 | Shapeshifter | lol hildon-desktop is such a fail app. |
| 13:47.35 | madduck | i assume my conversations (SMS) will be gone too |
| 13:47.56 | vanad1s | DocScrutinizer, no it's not showing the green led |
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| 13:48.47 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, dpkg -r it (seriously, don't do that) |
| 13:48.49 | ZogG | madduck so you are good. do know how to flash? |
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| 13:49.19 | madduck | ZogG: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware? |
| 13:49.41 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: btw, do you know a way of restarting it in PR1.2? since I updated, a pkill hildon-desktop reboots the n900. |
| 13:49.50 | Shapeshifter | before, it just restarted hildon-desktop |
| 13:49.58 | madduck | only problem is that I am on amd64, and the flasher tool seems to be i386 only |
| 13:50.12 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, pkill? |
| 13:50.12 | ZogG | madduck yeap |
| 13:50.23 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, killall hildon-desktop works for me |
| 13:50.35 | Shapeshifter | ah nevermind, I found dsmetool -k |
| 13:50.38 | pupnik | how bout "reboot" |
| 13:50.38 | ZogG | madduck windows? |
| 13:51.24 | madduck | ZogG: no, debian. |
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| 13:51.51 | ZogG | madduck it works under 64 |
| 13:51.59 | ZogG | MohammadAG, do you use fmms? |
| 13:52.01 | madduck | it does? |
| 13:52.02 | madduck | % sudo flasher-3.5 #10088 |
| 13:52.05 | madduck | flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:52.15 | MohammadAG | ZogG, yeah |
| 13:52.15 | ZogG | madduck i dunno i used it under gentoo 64 |
| 13:52.19 | madduck | i have libusb installed, but 64bit. |
| 13:52.27 | ZogG | MohammadAG any special options? |
| 13:52.34 | madduck | oh, i have chroots! ;) |
| 13:52.36 | MohammadAG | ZogG, ? |
| 13:52.53 | ZogG | madduck i use multilib but anyway it's not the problem imo |
| 13:53.15 | ZogG | MohammadAG can it screw up configs of internet or something? you just run it and that's all? |
| 13:53.30 | MohammadAG | ZogG, yep, it works perfectly after installation |
| 13:53.44 | madduck | now it works in the chroot |
| 13:53.48 | MohammadAG | (except the part where IL Oragne f'd it, but that's not frals's fault) |
| 13:54.26 | ZogG | MohammadAG il orange what |
| 13:54.44 | MohammadAG | f'd, short for fsck'd |
| 13:54.58 | ZogG | MohammadAG yeah i understand that part |
| 13:55.02 | ZogG | in which way i mean? |
| 13:55.08 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I can't receive MMS |
| 13:55.18 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it goes into some obox album crap |
| 13:55.33 | ZogG | MohammadAG haha |
| 13:55.43 | ZogG | do you use polite hovac or third option? |
| 13:55.59 | lcuk | kicks python for its date handling |
| 13:56.01 | MohammadAG | Havoc, which is the third option afaik |
| 13:56.07 | madduck | ZogG: it's flashing. thanks |
| 13:56.13 | MohammadAG | kicks lcuk for kicking python |
| 13:56.19 | ZogG | MohammadAG does it screw the internet connection? last time it did |
| 13:56.31 | ZogG | kicks MohammadAG for joy |
| 13:56.32 | lcuk | ValueError: time data 'Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:18:34' does not match format '%a, %d %m %Y %H:%M:%S' |
| 13:56.34 | MohammadAG | Nope, no problems here |
| 13:56.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG do you use fapn or else? |
| 13:57.00 | MohammadAG | What's %a? |
| 13:57.12 | MohammadAG | ZogG, nope, it autocreates the apn now |
| 13:57.12 | lcuk | day of the week |
| 13:57.13 | MohammadAG | afaik |
| 13:57.25 | lcuk | abbreviated or full name |
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| 13:57.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG and it switches every x minuts? |
| 13:58.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, it obviously hates you |
| 13:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: %m != feb ? |
| 13:58.08 | madduck | ZogG: it's booting again. but it really just put it back to factory default. |
| 13:58.15 | madduck | oh no! |
| 13:58.16 | MohammadAG | ZogG, MMS is a push service |
| 13:58.20 | madduck | it even kept my background! |
| 13:58.28 | madduck | and calendar! |
| 13:58.29 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, that would be it :) ta |
| 13:58.39 | lcuk | is goin blind with python |
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| 13:58.47 | lcuk | i have had a function which just does this for years |
| 13:58.55 | madduck | and all conversations |
| 13:59.55 | ZogG | madduck told ya |
| 13:59.56 | BCMM | how does one get started programming for maemo? |
| 14:00.05 | ZogG | <MohammadAG> ZogG, MMS is a push service ? |
| 14:00.11 | BCMM | (if one already knows C) |
| 14:00.35 | ZogG | BCMM you get QT creator SDK and here you goes |
| 14:00.39 | ZogG | go/* |
| 14:01.09 | lcuk | changes it to %b and fixes up the other things |
| 14:01.11 | BCMM | i thought there was a maemo-specific SDK?# |
| 14:01.20 | frals | lcuk: strptime! |
| 14:01.50 | pigeon | anyone uses the java (icedtea6/microemulator) on the n900? |
| 14:02.01 | lcuk | frals ill strangeptime |
| 14:02.03 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it doesn't need to check at set intervals - that's what frals told me |
| 14:02.06 | lcuk | strangle |
| 14:02.29 | frals | yes mms is a push service (mostly) |
| 14:02.39 | lcuk | all because i want to format a list of items by frikkin date |
| 14:02.42 | frals | there is a protocol for checking mmbox but its ... bah |
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| 14:03.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG haha got new fmms, now don't have 3G connection at all |
| 14:03.09 | frals | lcuk: yeah, ive tried inserting everything in the same format in my db in fmms.. i gave up :p |
| 14:03.21 | frals | now im doing ~2 strptime each time i need to show a date :/ |
| 14:03.25 | lcuk | thats actually bad frals :P |
| 14:03.45 | vanad1s | okay, gonna bring the device to the vendor, fuck this shit |
| 14:03.50 | BCMM | iirc MMS does something a bit weird like send an SMS with the URL of the message |
| 14:03.57 | BCMM | then the phone downloads the actual message |
| 14:04.11 | frals | lcuk: i know |
| 14:04.30 | frals | lcuk: but if you get every operator to agree on one time format ill fix my code ;) |
| 14:04.40 | lcuk | looks to the sky and says GIVE ME VISUAL BASIC BACK |
| 14:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | mms is a sms with a URL inside |
| 14:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 14:04.58 | ZogG | frals so the notification release still is not in devel? |
| 14:05.05 | MohammadAG | drops a visual basic crate at lcuk |
| 14:05.13 | lcuk | :D supply drop |
| 14:05.14 | ZogG | MohammadAG send me mms |
| 14:05.16 | Wolfie | frals: why did you decide to center-align the mms message input? |
| 14:05.24 | ZogG | MohammadAG NOW!!! =) |
| 14:05.33 | frals | Wolfie: because nokia ux experts suggested it ;) |
| 14:05.34 | MohammadAG | lcuk, enemy care package actually :P |
| 14:05.43 | Wolfie | frals: wtf... that makes no sense |
| 14:05.45 | MohammadAG | ZogG, yeah... sure |
| 14:05.47 | frals | ZogG: its been in devel for a while |
| 14:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart lcuk for mentioning VB |
| 14:05.50 | infobot | throws lcuk's poor little doggy off a cliff for mentioning VB |
| 14:06.01 | Wolfie | did they also suggest to cut words in the middle when the line changes? |
| 14:06.21 | MohammadAG | what kernel parameter allows me to boot into runlevel 3? |
| 14:06.37 | ZogG | frals don't see it in statusarea popup as in your screenies |
| 14:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | though actually, it *kinda* worked |
| 14:06.53 | ZogG | MohammadAG srs, can you send me mms? |
| 14:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | back in 2000 when I touched it last time |
| 14:07.31 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :( |
| 14:07.45 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I'm missing something, your damn number |
| 14:07.45 | frals | ZogG: anything in the log? |
| 14:07.45 | lcuk | installs visual basic on DocScrutinizer's computer |
| 14:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | starts fsck to remove the 'bad blocks' |
| 14:08.21 | frals | Wolfie: does it do that? |
| 14:08.22 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: appending 3 should be enough |
| 14:08.52 | ZogG | frals log? does fmms has a log, didn't know |
| 14:08.57 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, should I just put that in the kernel line? |
| 14:08.58 | lcuk | frals, using amazing gitorious line numbers where abouts is your str formatting code |
| 14:09.05 | lcuk | so i can see how a pro does it :P |
| 14:09.12 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: yeah. just "3" |
| 14:09.24 | ZogG | MohammadAG orange |
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| 14:09.35 | ZogG | frals where i check the log? |
| 14:09.40 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
| 14:10.01 | ZogG | frals btw i started fmms and than upgraded, do i need to kill the process to restart it? |
| 14:10.15 | frals | ZogG: restart fmms is probably good after upgrading |
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| 14:10.20 | frals | ZogG: /tmp/fmms.log |
| 14:10.38 | ZogG | frals process name? |
| 14:10.42 | juve3 | ciao a tutti |
| 14:10.44 | frals | fmms_gui.py |
| 14:10.47 | frals | lcuk: http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/controller.py#line76 |
| 14:10.54 | juve3 | !list |
| 14:10.55 | frals | lcuk: disclaimer: its ugly as hell ;D |
| 14:10.55 | ZogG | frals the gui is killed |
| 14:11.09 | frals | lcuk: and probably doesnt handle all cases, add try/except as suitable... ;D |
| 14:11.14 | lcuk | frals, perfect thanks |
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| 14:11.22 | RST38h | wonders if he should haunt tmo tonight |
| 14:11.23 | lcuk | :)_ |
| 14:11.27 | lcuk | -_ |
| 14:11.41 | RST38h | Find some vulnerable soul and help it on the way to the asylum |
| 14:11.49 | pupnik | heheh |
| 14:11.51 | Juozapas | hi, all maemo programs is free ? |
| 14:11.59 | Stskeeps | no |
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| 14:12.04 | Stskeeps | but many |
| 14:12.43 | ZogG | MohammadAG, got sms =) |
| 14:12.56 | ZogG | to see the pict go blahblah site |
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| 14:13.11 | MohammadAG | ZogG, told ya |
| 14:13.22 | MohammadAG | ZogG, give them a call, if it works I'll do it :P |
| 14:13.50 | Wolfie | frals: i think it does... don't have my phone with me, but i think the line wrap doesn't take word boundaries into account |
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| 14:14.39 | frals | ops, youre right, ive set it to wrap_char instead of word |
| 14:14.43 | Juozapas | Stskeeps: what happens if i try to download one of them ? maybe the cost can be counted as my phone operator bill? |
| 14:14.48 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it still tries to run X |
| 14:14.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG your number? |
| 14:14.59 | ZogG | PM me |
| 14:15.04 | Stskeeps | Juozapas: some things come through ovi store, not sure if it goes over your phone bill. |
| 14:15.09 | Stskeeps | but data transfer might cost |
| 14:15.14 | MohammadAG | ZogG, umm, shouldn't you have got it? |
| 14:15.16 | tybollt | 1-800-DONTCALLMEMOSSAD |
| 14:15.23 | Juozapas | ok one more question |
| 14:15.42 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: you could also try "single". do you know if the cd uses grub 1 or 2? because if it's grub 2 you can't "e" (edit), "esc" and then "b". you have to "e", append whatever to the kernel line, and then ctrl-x to boot |
| 14:15.54 | Shapeshifter | as opposed to the e, esc, b in grub1 |
| 14:15.55 | madduck | ooooh, PR 1.2 is out |
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| 14:16.08 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, using ISOLinux |
| 14:16.09 | madduck | but basically, I should be able to install 1.1.1 and upgrade, right? |
| 14:16.14 | madduck | this *is* debian after all ;) |
| 14:16.14 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: oh right xD |
| 14:16.15 | Juozapas | how to keep off my operator interner (it's very expensive). I want to use only wifi and if there isn't wifi spot just dont connect to web or something |
| 14:16.51 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: then it doesn't matter I guess. in any case, try "single" and I thought there was an ubuntu cli installer |
| 14:16.54 | Wolfie | Juozapas: isn't there a setting that makes the phone always ask you for connection before it does that |
| 14:16.56 | Shapeshifter | "simple installer" or something |
| 14:17.14 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I cba to download another image |
| 14:17.15 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: also, I'm guessing you're having a driver problem? ATI card by chance? |
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| 14:17.49 | ZogG | frals, it's ok. |
| 14:17.54 | Juozapas | Wolfie: yeah, it ask for password be i even know that password but it still connect if i type some rando pass |
| 14:18.03 | Juozapas | *random |
| 14:18.16 | ZogG | it there is icon and all the stuf when i send, i thought it works always as i run it |
| 14:18.19 | Juozapas | maybe there'is some more powerful option ? |
| 14:18.43 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, nope, they added kernel support for nouveau, it shouldn't cause any problems with intel cards yet my laptop doesn't boot up |
| 14:19.28 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: what now, intel or nvidia? |
| 14:19.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG got it? |
| 14:19.53 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: what I'm trying to say is that you could try disabling KMS. |
| 14:20.08 | MohammadAG | ZogG, nothing yet |
| 14:20.09 | Juozapas | by the way, make a video call with skype it's still impossible ? |
| 14:20.12 | ZogG | MohammadAG hmm |
| 14:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: remove the connection in internet in setup |
| 14:20.19 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, my lappy's chipset is intel |
| 14:20.30 | Corsac | I read âladyâ ⦠|
| 14:20.31 | Corsac | :/ |
| 14:20.35 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 14:20.42 | MohammadAG | wonder if that will actually work... |
| 14:20.59 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I still don't understand what you'r trying to do where. Aren't you trying to boot an install CD? |
| 14:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: honestly I can't see how it works without you configuring it first instance |
| 14:21.18 | Shapeshifter | and what are you doing with nouveau on an intel chipset? |
| 14:21.23 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, yeah, it boots up properly but when GDM loads up the laptop just hangs |
| 14:21.29 | Juozapas | DocScrutinizer: cant delete operator's connection |
| 14:21.37 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, it's built into the stock Ubuntu kernel now |
| 14:21.37 | Juozapas | it blanks delete' button |
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| 14:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: you always need to set up AP name for GPRS connection |
| 14:21.45 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: ... |
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| 14:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: then change AP name to random crap |
| 14:22.06 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: uhm, still, nouveau has nothing to do with intel cards. if you have an intel card, you can foget about nouveau |
| 14:22.16 | MohammadAG | ZogG, same SMS crap |
| 14:22.21 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: you can use i915.modeset=0 on the kernel line to disable KMS |
| 14:22.25 | Shapeshifter | if you have intel |
| 14:22.33 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I added nomodeset |
| 14:22.39 | Shapeshifter | if you have nvidia, as you're talking about nouveau all the time, it would be modeset=0 |
| 14:23.31 | ZogG | MohammadAG, btw do they work at shabes? |
| 14:23.43 | MohammadAG | ZogG, who? |
| 14:23.51 | MohammadAG | oh, orange? |
| 14:23.53 | MohammadAG | they should |
| 14:23.59 | Juozapas | DocScrutinizer: ok, it helped thx ;) |
| 14:24.18 | sobczyk | hi, I've downloaded opera mini and it's great, one of the features stands out, the virtual keyboard that is visible when the physical is not. I wonder whether something similar could be done with the default maemo keyboard? I would want to use korean keyboard, not some romanization input |
| 14:24.47 | MohammadAG | failsafe x worked \o/ |
| 14:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is 'delete' not enabled for GPRS interent connection??? |
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| 14:25.17 | tybollt | ! |
| 14:25.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, you have to use WAIT FOR IT... GCONF! |
| 14:25.35 | Juozapas | hey what about skype video calling ? |
| 14:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wut? |
| 14:26.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, gconf |
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| 14:26.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ask frals, he knows about this stuff more than I do (fAPN) |
| 14:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | ge ce oh en ef |
| 14:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah what? |
| 14:26.57 | frals | ? |
| 14:27.04 | frals | wut? |
| 14:27.10 | MohammadAG | frals, how can DocScrutinizer delete an APN? |
| 14:27.13 | MohammadAG | default one |
| 14:27.24 | MohammadAG | fAPN allows deletion of new ones only afaik |
| 14:27.29 | frals | gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ |
| 14:27.30 | ZogG | frals there is port number in setting? is it for proxy? |
| 14:27.38 | ZogG | or it's for connection? |
| 14:27.45 | frals | and then gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/<id> |
| 14:27.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there you go, go have some gconf love :P |
| 14:27.49 | frals | ZogG: for proxy |
| 14:27.51 | ZogG | MohammadAG iandroid.co.il/dr-iandroid/archives/608 |
| 14:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | fuggit |
| 14:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | why can't I delete the default GPRS connection in settings-internetconnections ? |
| 14:29.08 | frals | because then a normal user would do it, and then thered be chaos ;) |
| 14:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's mean |
| 14:29.28 | ZogG | frals i found android configuration for mms, they have MMC and MNC as well, any idea what is that/ |
| 14:29.45 | frals | no need for those, they are related to operator and not needed |
| 14:29.53 | frals | its identifiers for oprator pretty much afaik |
| 14:30.08 | ZogG | frals jsut we got sms that we have mms instead mms =) |
| 14:30.25 | lcuk | frals, DocScrutinizer thanks :) |
| 14:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | err? |
| 14:30.41 | frals | np (?) |
| 14:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | I did nothing! ( (c) bart simpson) |
| 14:31.03 | ZogG | frals portrait mode looks okay btw =) |
| 14:31.32 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you spotted the bug in default format i was using and frals showed me about exception handling :P |
| 14:31.37 | ZogG | frals nope only when writting not at the mms list =) |
| 14:31.42 | frals | once i get the energy im going to make the qwerty keyboard i made for vertsms into a proper module and try to get portrait mode mms composing |
| 14:31.44 | lcuk | without even realising it :) |
| 14:31.58 | ZogG | frals the ctrl+shift+r is ok =) |
| 14:32.13 | frals | the mainview shouldnt be as the widths are hardcoded there ;) |
| 14:32.43 | Macer | hm |
| 14:32.55 | Macer | microb seems broken after updating |
| 14:32.58 | wazd | curses nokia for no portrait media player once again |
| 14:33.03 | Macer | like.. some pages seem to hang |
| 14:33.11 | ZogG | MohammadAG remindme tomorrow to call them |
| 14:33.21 | MohammadAG | ZogG, call them, NOW |
| 14:33.22 | Juozapas | somehow pixelpipe authorize always fail, any ideas ? |
| 14:33.27 | ZogG | wazd make the voodoo dance |
| 14:33.30 | Juozapas | im using mastory |
| 14:33.31 | ZogG | MohammadAG meh |
| 14:33.32 | MohammadAG | GRRR |
| 14:33.39 | Macer | wazd: i agree |
| 14:33.43 | MohammadAG | Windows has the partition locked cause of an unclean shutdown |
| 14:33.47 | Macer | the no portrait media player is lame |
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| 14:33.52 | MohammadAG | damn bastards |
| 14:33.57 | wazd | ZogG: it doesn't work properly even with ctrl+shift+r |
| 14:34.02 | lcuk | i made n900 reboot instantly and reproducably last night o_O |
| 14:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: frals: now ponder that - I got an APN/GPRS connection that 'expires' some certain date in month and I want to change the APN at that very moment *automatically* as otherwise each MB costs me 14.99$ |
| 14:34.11 | wazd | ZogG: height is hardcoded |
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| 14:34.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, make a daemon for it :) |
| 14:34.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, on a more serious note, use alarmed and run that command |
| 14:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: "normal user will get confused" |
| 14:35.41 | wazd | Macer: it's just too tricky to switch tracks on the go in landscape |
| 14:35.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, use root :) |
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| 14:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | got no root to use. No plants here :-P |
| 14:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-29 16:29:08] <frals> because then a normal user would do it, and then thered be chaos ;) |
| 14:36.54 | Macer | wazi know |
| 14:36.54 | Macer | it sucks |
| 14:36.55 | ZogG | wazd i know |
| 14:37.07 | pupnik | Want government management of network services? What are the negative consequences? http://mises.org/daily/4432 |
| 14:37.10 | ZogG | MohammadAG tring to play with configs now |
| 14:37.24 | Macer | heh |
| 14:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | quite honestly, for everything but a single standard usecase (= customer has a dataplan incl flatrate) the internet connection settings seem quite retarded |
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| 14:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not recommend to get a N900 anyway, if you're not willing to get a decent dataplan. But nevertheless this feels totally fubar |
| 14:42.38 | madduck | oh if only i could select multiple applications to download and install, rather than going through them one by one⦠|
| 14:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | no way to define precedence of particular connections over others, no way to disable particular connections, no way to delete GPRS packet connection AT ALL - W*T*F?! |
| 14:44.32 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: gprs connection name changes name with SIM as well, that's fun. |
| 14:45.52 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, Nokia people get tunnel vision |
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| 14:46.07 | GAN900 | What with their company-paid dataplans and whatnot. |
| 14:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | usecase: I have a private wifi AP with low range, a GPRS flatrate with a faraway basestation so I get flaky connect, and a local hotspot with rather high fee. how the hell am I supposed to config that like prio1:local wifi, prio2:GPRS, prio3:hotspot ? |
| 14:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: yep |
| 14:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: not to think about roaming <looking scared> |
| 14:49.21 | madduck | is there really no way to install multiple apps at once? |
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| 14:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: quite fine the whole connectivity management is totally FOS then - nah wait, is it? :-o |
| 14:51.29 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: well, I actually don't think it's a major problem, only time it annoyed me was when I wanted to look at the maps in "offline mode" which doesn't seem to exist. |
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| 14:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: It becomes a problem for me once a month, as the above described situation isn't fictive (dataplan expires, MB costs $$$ over same APN then) |
| 14:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: I'd like to switch to a different GPRS paccket connection (APN) then, by simply changing something in "conections" like I do when I select a wifi AP |
| 14:55.12 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: what are you solving by changing APN? that it won't connect at all? |
| 14:55.15 | Shapeshifter | I *really* don't get wth hildon-desktop thinks it is doing. Why it will *almost* always launch an application only once. I tried adding X-Multiple=true and X-Multiple-Instances=true and same with false and combinations of it, and for some inane reason, it *seemingly* works with 'X-Multiple=true', if done in exactly this sequence: have an open window (no matter what app), edit .desktop file to add this line, run application from menu or ... |
| 14:55.22 | Shapeshifter | ... desktop shortcut - several times. It opens fine. but as soon as you close all of them, and rerun the same shortcut again and again, it yet again only opens it once! |
| 14:55.25 | Shapeshifter | it's insane. it just doesn't work. It's broken. |
| 14:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | but I can not create a 2nd packet connection, I can NOT disable the single one default one, only thing I can do is step thru the settings and enter the whole crap from top of my head |
| 14:55.55 | SpeedEvil | fapn? |
| 14:56.22 | satmd | I was about to mention that too |
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| 14:56.27 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: I have turned off that mine autoconnects to GPRS, isn't that what you want to accomplish? |
| 14:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: I change my bill, as the other APN only charges $/MB instead of $$$/MB |
| 14:57.26 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: wow, your mobile provider really tries to screw you. |
| 14:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: no, I want to have 2 or more preconfigured APN to choose from |
| 14:57.42 | ShadowJK | hm, my n900 has deadlocked itself :/ |
| 14:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: security feature :-P |
| 14:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | it heard about APN madness |
| 14:58.42 | SpeedEvil | Filing a bug is probably a good idea. |
| 14:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 14:58.57 | SpeedEvil | Explain your telcos data services, and why you want to do this |
| 14:59.47 | SwedeMike | I'd imagine that is not a bug, it's a feature request. In most countries/companies it doesn't really make sense to have multiple APNs. |
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| 15:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway, the setup and functionality as is, it's quite braindamaged, isn't it? |
| 15:00.14 | SpeedEvil | basically |
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| 15:00.45 | SwedeMike | speaking of which, I'd like to reset my "dataplan monitor" counters every month, I haven't been able to find a way to do that? |
| 15:00.54 | ZogG | does ps3 supports ext2? |
| 15:01.03 | MohammadAG | I LOL'd ZogG |
| 15:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | I can't even get precedence of GPRS connection over WLAN |
| 15:01.34 | ZogG | MohammadAG whaT? |
| 15:01.53 | SpeedEvil | I sometimes want that too. |
| 15:02.03 | SpeedEvil | I normally want to roam onto wifi if I can. |
| 15:02.04 | Ikarus | SwedeMike: I do it with a crontab entry |
| 15:02.07 | MohammadAG | ZogG, no, but then again what OS other than linux/unix supports ext2 |
| 15:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: otoh that's a 1000% sure WONTFIX for maemo until PR17.4 |
| 15:02.13 | MohammadAG | ZogG, got a PS3? |
| 15:02.24 | Ikarus | SwedeMike: But I might be able to hack a little UI around it and package it |
| 15:02.27 | ZogG | MohammadAG yes |
| 15:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | so what's the use in filing a bug? |
| 15:02.33 | MohammadAG | ZogG, PSN ID? |
| 15:02.34 | ZogG | MohammadAG, got a deal |
| 15:02.36 | SpeedEvil | Unless I've expicitly disconnected from wifi as it's broken, and I want to connect to GPRS. |
| 15:02.54 | ZogG | MohammadAG TheZogG i think - but didn't upgraded it to last fw i think = |
| 15:03.24 | ZogG | MohammadAG i use my flashusb on winxp at work with ext2 =) |
| 15:03.28 | MohammadAG | ZogG, if you're waiting for the Geohot stuff don't hold your breath :) |
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| 15:03.51 | ZogG | MohammadAG i know he has no interest in it. just connection in israel crappy anyway |
| 15:04.07 | Trizt | Ikarus; would be nice if you could add a history too to the UI, so you can compare months |
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| 15:04.47 | Ikarus | Trizt: hrm, should be doable |
| 15:04.48 | ZogG | MohammadAG i bought NEW ps3 with 2 new joypads with cabel and 2 games from yad2 and it has bug.co.il garantee and it was 1900 or somethink like that, maybe even less |
| 15:04.56 | Ikarus | Trizt: I'll see |
| 15:05.08 | Ikarus | I didn't quite need that detail myself |
| 15:05.08 | SwedeMike | Ikarus: that would be nice, lot's of people at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/personal-gprs-mon/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_comments_comment_page=2 seems to want it, but then again, that might be a different one from the one I'm using, because that reset method there doesn't seem to work |
| 15:05.15 | ZogG | MohammadAG your ID is MohammadAG as i assume |
| 15:05.23 | Ikarus | my data plan just involves after blowing 2GB through I get demoted in speed |
| 15:05.31 | Trizt | nods |
| 15:05.37 | Shapeshifter | Even if I do Exec=/bin/ash -c urxvt , which is of course insane, it only launches it once |
| 15:05.58 | MohammadAG | ZogG, how'd you guess? :P |
| 15:06.07 | Shapeshifter | And also if I use urxvtd + urxvtc |
| 15:06.16 | Shapeshifter | ... It's black magic, bad magic. |
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| 15:06.59 | ZogG | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_AQm2-lLOkvw/StwoFok8UlI/AAAAAAAABIE/tYntsEBRVqc/s400/IMG_3110.JPG |
| 15:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the sad thing is, I have a nice requirements spec and architecture design inside my head for this, but it's a waste of time writing it down as it will get binned for "too complex, don't need that" |
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| 15:09.17 | madduck | dies of boredom installing dozens of apps ONE AFTER THE OTHER |
| 15:10.01 | slonopotamus | madduck: apt-get install x y z |
| 15:10.18 | SwedeMike | my major complaint about n900 is standby time, sometimes it seems to gobble juice like there is no tomorrow. |
| 15:10.34 | madduck | slonopotamus: i was told one should not use apt-get directly because the app manager does extra magic. |
| 15:11.24 | slonopotamus | oh my... /me deinstall all aps he installed with apt-get on maemo during last three years |
| 15:13.47 | Aranel | Is it possible to use Facebook,MSN,Ovi or anything else without merging contacts with Contacts app? It's frustrating to see lots of contacts on list when I don't even need them on my mobile. |
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| 15:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: "type=wlan; name=athome; baseprio=5; on signal <50 prio-=50; on exec="if ping -c 1 ct.de; then false; else true; fi" prio-=50; on flightmode prio-=50 |
| 15:19.00 | pupnik | hey interesting |
| 15:19.26 | pupnik | does thatm help keep your connection up? |
| 15:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | that would help keep my mood towards N900 connection handling up |
| 15:19.55 | Shapeshifter | Aranel: afaik no and I find it quite annoying as well |
| 15:20.10 | Shapeshifter | but hey, pretty much all the nokia made apps suck big time. |
| 15:21.47 | ali1234 | Aranel: well designed services allow you to select which contacts are actually visible |
| 15:22.10 | ali1234 | Aranel: for example you can do it in google (and the contacts list in the phone updates in real time as you edit your contacts on the google website) |
| 15:22.38 | ali1234 | i have not yet figured out how you do it with facebook |
| 15:23.23 | Shapeshifter | lol @ /tmp/hildon-welcome-is-finished |
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| 15:24.37 | Aranel | ali1234: I think Groups would do it, It's possible to show a group (for ex, Facebook) but It's not possible to hide a group, which we need to do. |
| 15:25.04 | ali1234 | it's possible to show/hide grounds in the facebook web chat thingy, it just doesn't carry over to the maemo plugin unfortunately |
| 15:25.19 | ali1234 | i was trying to do this about half an hour ago |
| 15:25.27 | ali1234 | playing with the video calling atm |
| 15:25.30 | ali1234 | its quite good |
| 15:25.51 | ali1234 | although the camera seems to stop adapting to light conditions once you start making a call |
| 15:26.03 | ali1234 | which will suck if you start out in the sun and then go indoors during a call |
| 15:26.07 | ali1234 | other person will only see black |
| 15:26.36 | TomaszD | it does adapt, but it takes too long, is what I found out |
| 15:27.25 | pupnik | video call over irc yet? :P |
| 15:27.30 | ali1234 | doubt it |
| 15:27.40 | ali1234 | is there a plugin like bonjour which supports video? ie lan only? |
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| 15:27.58 | pupnik | dunno lets search |
| 15:28.10 | ali1234 | i had a search, didn't help much |
| 15:28.22 | ali1234 | i think bonjour might support video using a mac-only protocol |
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| 15:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | eeeek, bonjour |
| 15:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart avahi |
| 15:32.39 | infobot | gives avahi a good seeing to |
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| 15:33.30 | ZogG | ~poke DocScrutinizer |
| 15:33.31 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind DocScrutinizer, pokes DocScrutinizer repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 15:33.55 | mc_teo | i just flashed windows onto my n900 |
| 15:33.58 | mc_teo | ! |
| 15:35.29 | pupnik | icculus.org/cdogs-sdl/files/cdogs-sdl-current.tar.bz2 game port candidate |
| 15:35.51 | mc_teo | i joke, i joke! |
| 15:35.59 | mc_teo | no windows for me |
| 15:36.29 | BCMM | no X Windows? what went wrong? |
| 15:36.46 | ZogG | mc_teo win is rulez |
| 15:36.53 | mc_teo | ... |
| 15:37.00 | mc_teo | why is you here? |
| 15:37.10 | ZogG | mc_teo why not? |
| 15:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if there's *anything* to sync contacts, maybe even calendar, to ovi or webdav or my local vcard fatabes, which works ootb now on pr1.2, without going thru install&config hell |
| 15:38.02 | mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: export? |
| 15:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | s/fatabes/database/ |
| 15:38.19 | mc_teo | scp, then import |
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| 15:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | that's not exactly what I call sync |
| 15:38.59 | mc_teo | BCMM: x windows is ok, i was speaking about ms windows |
| 15:39.09 | BCMM | mc_teo: what's MS windows? |
| 15:39.28 | mc_teo | ZogG: actually windows fails quite spectacularly |
| 15:39.36 | pupnik | Windows are for people stuck behind walls. |
| 15:40.01 | mc_teo | you could always just use some Gates? |
| 15:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | I hate the gates way |
| 15:44.36 | Shapeshifter | oh god. hildon-desktop *really* keeps a list of apps launched using it >.< |
| 15:44.38 | Shapeshifter | incredibly daft |
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| 15:44.42 | Shapeshifter | hardcoded in C |
| 15:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | wth?! |
| 15:46.03 | Shapeshifter | http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#line756 |
| 15:46.28 | ZogG | mc_teo it's not. windows is cool. linux is not working out of box |
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| 15:46.57 | pupnik | why is that bad Shapeshifter |
| 15:47.16 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: because you can't launch multiple instances of the same app using the menu or the desktop shortcuts? |
| 15:47.21 | Shapeshifter | obviously? |
| 15:47.45 | pupnik | i made a terminal app shortcut that gives multiple xterms |
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| 15:48.11 | pupnik | would that help? |
| 15:48.13 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: can you share that? |
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| 15:48.17 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: yes. |
| 15:48.22 | lardman | hey chaps |
| 15:48.36 | pupnik | where to share.. t.m.o? |
| 15:48.41 | pupnik | hi |
| 15:48.46 | lardman | hi pupnik |
| 15:49.27 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: pastie.org |
| 15:49.31 | jaska | i wonder what keeps launching intellisyncd with the -a parameter, like in osso-backup restore scripts |
| 15:50.04 | jaska | normally intellisyncd shouldnt start if its disabled in /home/user/.intellisyncd/disabled |
| 15:51.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: shift-ctrl-x starts a new xterm? |
| 15:52.12 | Shapeshifter | the hildon launcher is designed as if it was some sort of iphone/android concept where you just have one instance of every app and wake it, and put it to hibernate etc. |
| 15:52.19 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: I want to launch multiple urxvt |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: well, there's quite obviously an option missing in .desktop files spec. like sameinstance=no |
| 15:54.41 | pupnik | very slow pastie.org.. Shapeshifter http://paste.debian.net/75331 |
| 15:54.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | think Imve seen such parameter in enlightenment .desktop files |
| 15:55.30 | pupnik | it only bothers me with xerm |
| 15:55.38 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: there should be X-Multiple-Instances=true, there supposedly is the wrong X-Multiple=true, but none of this works |
| 15:55.39 | pupnik | xterm |
| 15:55.57 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: thanks |
| 15:56.10 | pupnik | is happy to be useful |
| 15:56.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: that's what I meant, yes |
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| 15:56.54 | lardman | looks at Dell Streak and thinks it's an ideal size, but needs a kb and maemego |
| 15:57.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: fil a ticket :-) |
| 15:57.26 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: hopeless |
| 15:57.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 15:58.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | so patch the hildon launcher and attach the patch |
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| 15:59.49 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: heh. doesn't work. it works exactly as you pasted it, but if I replace osso-xterm by /usr/bin/urxvt, it only opens one of them. |
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| 16:00.45 | Shapeshifter | pupnik: you know I even made some silly detour script like temp=$(cat /tmp/foobar); urxvt -name $temp &; temp=$((temp+1)); echo $temp > /tmp/foobar which launches every subsequent term with a differen X name (0, 1, 2, 3...) |
| 16:00.50 | Shapeshifter | even that launches only once. |
| 16:01.58 | Shapeshifter | meh |
| 16:01.58 | Shapeshifter | goes for beers. |
| 16:01.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: btw for xterm and especially things like mc that's a total pita. mc won't start on clicking the icon, if there's a xtern instance running already |
| 16:01.59 | ali1234 | what's the deal with the nmap package creating an icon for itself? |
| 16:02.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably same as for mc |
| 16:02.31 | ali1234 | all it does is run nmap with no arguments and then dump you at a shell |
| 16:02.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | exec='xterm nmap' |
| 16:02.59 | ali1234 | i expect that the package only creates an icon because of some braindead QA rules |
| 16:03.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe they messed it up? should call nmap-fe? |
| 16:03.49 | Shapeshifter | the whole architecture is flawed. It wants to be somewhat androidish while actually there is no sandboxing and task handling like on android |
| 16:04.05 | Shapeshifter | it's fake android |
| 16:04.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | let beat up the UX guys ;-) |
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| 16:05.12 | ali1234 | nmap-fe isn't installed |
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| 16:07.10 | BCMM | the nmap launcher is weird |
| 16:07.16 | BCMM | plenty of other CLI apps just don't have a link on the menu |
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| 16:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | mc has |
| 16:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | equally useless, as mentioned above |
| 16:09.44 | ali1234 | mc does at least keep on running until you quit it |
| 16:09.48 | ali1234 | that makes slightly more sense |
| 16:10.04 | ali1234 | when you click the nmap icon you get the last few lines of the short usage, and a shell prompt |
| 16:10.27 | ali1234 | what i mean is mc is interactive |
| 16:10.31 | ali1234 | nmap is not |
| 16:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | now that's really silly, for nmap |
| 16:12.04 | ali1234 | im reporting a bug now |
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| 16:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | "launcher MUST support X-Multiple-Instances=true" |
| 16:14.51 | ali1234 | the nmap launcher seems to support that, in that it works even if there is already an terminal open |
| 16:15.37 | ali1234 | bug 5839 |
| 16:15.37 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 Modest gets stuck updating POP3 mailboxes |
| 16:15.41 | ali1234 | hum |
| 16:16.16 | ali1234 | no, this 5839: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5839&group_id=1367&atid=5044 |
| 16:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | ali1234: now that's weird |
| 16:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | (the "nmap launcher seems to support that" part) |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | ali1234: mind pastbin the .desktop? |
| 16:18.07 | ali1234 | maybe you can only run one "nmap" xterm |
| 16:18.14 | ali1234 | sure hang on |
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| 16:18.43 | ali1234 | no, seems you can run as many as you want from the icon |
| 16:19.49 | ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/CmB2iDpf |
| 16:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 16:20.41 | mc_teo | whats the deal with ovi chat? |
| 16:20.48 | mc_teo | does it work? |
| 16:20.55 | ali1234 | heh, the script it runs instead of nmap directly just does: nmap; echo Use \'sudo nmap\' to run nmap with root privileges. ; sh |
| 16:21.20 | ali1234 | i can't believe someone actually went to the trouble of making that |
| 16:21.56 | mc_teo | ZogG: ubuntu is free, they will even send you a free cd, it takes minutes to install, and works perfectly out of the bo |
| 16:21.59 | mc_teo | box* |
| 16:22.10 | Xenon|XZ | dont like ubuntu :( |
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| 16:22.17 | Xenon|XZ | :p |
| 16:22.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok works for mc as well. probably fixed in pr1.0.1 |
| 16:23.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | mc_teo: yes |
| 16:23.36 | ZogG | mc_teo no it's not |
| 16:23.59 | ali1234 | ubuntu used to work perfectly out of the box, then they filled it up with mono crap and vendor moneysinks |
| 16:24.06 | ali1234 | luckily it's trivial to remove that stuff |
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| 16:24.16 | ZogG | mc_teo, ubuntu sucks |
| 16:24.39 | ZogG | ubuntu is shitimacos =) |
| 16:24.46 | ZogG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.49 | Xenon|XZ | Gentoo ;-) |
| 16:24.58 | mc_teo | ZogG: i installed 10.04 a fews days ago, and it was fully working out of the box |
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| 16:25.12 | ZogG | mc_teo, windows works out of box too |
| 16:25.16 | ZogG | mac os too |
| 16:25.20 | mc_teo | no it doesnt |
| 16:25.24 | ZogG | yes it is |
| 16:25.33 | mc_teo | mac os is closed source linux btw |
| 16:25.38 | ZogG | mc_teo, what distro do you use? |
| 16:25.48 | mc_teo | vista normally |
| 16:25.51 | ZogG | mc_teo, do i care about close or not =) |
| 16:25.57 | mc_teo | xp on my desktop |
| 16:26.09 | ZogG | mc_teo, and you advertising me linux? |
| 16:26.10 | GAN900 | mc_teo, it's not Linux |
| 16:26.15 | ZogG | HAHA |
| 16:26.28 | jaska | its eyecandyized openstep |
| 16:26.30 | ZogG | mc_teo, are you trying to troll me? |
| 16:26.31 | mc_teo | im just saying that for out of the box compatability, ubuntu owns |
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| 16:26.36 | nikki93 | Hai. |
| 16:26.36 | nikki93 | :D |
| 16:26.43 | ZogG | mc_teo, noooope =) |
| 16:26.51 | nikki93 | I have an iPhone. Jailbroke it. It's still not fun enough. :( |
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| 16:27.06 | SpeedEvil | Out of the box compatibility - linux-from-scratch owns. |
| 16:27.11 | ZogG | nikki93, get android on it =) |
| 16:27.13 | SpeedEvil | It just takes longer to open the box. |
| 16:27.23 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, \o/ |
| 16:27.28 | swc|666 | rofl |
| 16:27.46 | ZogG | mc_teo, you don |
| 16:27.57 | nikki93 | I made an LFS once. |
| 16:27.59 | ZogG | you don't know to convince peoplel man |
| 16:27.59 | nikki93 | Great fun. |
| 16:28.11 | ZogG | sys Linux 2.6.33-gentoo [965P-S3; x86_64 Desktop] |
| 16:28.14 | ZogG | mc_teo, ^ |
| 16:28.15 | nikki93 | Is n900 kewl? |
| 16:28.17 | Xenon|XZ | distro[Gentoo Linux (stable)] |
| 16:28.34 | ZogG | Xenon|XZ, meh, stable is not fun anymore |
| 16:28.50 | Xenon|XZ | lol |
| 16:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so you looked into what's happening with xterm.desktop, and mc.desktop ? |
| 16:28.54 | nikki93 | I heard n900 is very hack-friendly. |
| 16:29.13 | ZogG | nikki93 yesm yu take hammer and you hack it |
| 16:29.15 | crashanddie | OK guys, we get it, you and the A-team are awesome. Now how about we stop talking about each and everyone's super awesome OS? |
| 16:29.26 | mc_teo | no |
| 16:29.32 | ZogG | nikki93, you can build wals or even bridge with n900s |
| 16:29.38 | nikki93 | ZogG: zomg |
| 16:29.46 | ZogG | walls* |
| 16:29.47 | crashanddie | We know you built it yourself, you compiled your own kernel and everything, woohoo, big deal, get over it. |
| 16:29.52 | lcuk | crashanddie, whats your favorite OS? |
| 16:29.58 | nikki93 | ZogG: But what about wals then? D: |
| 16:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: ubuntu ->http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 16:30.05 | crashanddie | lcuk: Maemo, obviously. |
| 16:30.11 | lcuk | +100000 |
| 16:30.13 | lcuk | :D |
| 16:30.18 | ZogG | haha |
| 16:30.33 | nikki93 | Damn I envy you guys with your n900s |
| 16:30.48 | lcuk | random RT @lcuk |
| 16:30.48 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.48 | lcuk | @wonderhelm if you combine the 2 sports, the goalie can score points for doing somersaults whilst diving for the ball! |
| 16:30.50 | ZogG | crashanddie, let's talk about iphoneos |
| 16:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | maemo isn't an OS, maemo is a flavour of linux |
| 16:31.06 | crashanddie | ZogG: let's not, unless you want to be removed from the channel. |
| 16:31.17 | ZogG | crashanddie, why would i? |
| 16:31.20 | nikki93 | DocScrutinizer: Linux is a kernel |
| 16:31.36 | ZogG | nikki93, okay GNu/Linux |
| 16:31.37 | crashanddie | because an op just asked you to remain on-topic, and iphone discussions tend to lead to flame wars |
| 16:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | so GNU linux if you prefer |
| 16:31.43 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, a yummy chocolate and banana flavour with 100s and 1000s ontop |
| 16:31.50 | nikki93 | DocScrutinizer: Better. :P |
| 16:32.15 | ZogG | crashanddie, if you would follow discussions here for last weeks you would stay alone on chan |
| 16:32.37 | ZogG | and there is no such thing as flame wars =) |
| 16:32.47 | ZogG | holywars maybe =) |
| 16:33.18 | ZogG | anyway it's all jokes, you should relax, i know how hard is life nowdays =( |
| 16:33.21 | crashanddie | ZogG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet) |
| 16:33.31 | nikki93 | So most Qt apps would work outofthebox? |
| 16:33.31 | crashanddie | "Flamewar redirects here" |
| 16:33.33 | nikki93 | In Maemo? |
| 16:33.36 | ZogG | crashanddie so? |
| 16:33.46 | crashanddie | ZogG: don't correct my nerd terms. |
| 16:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:34.10 | ZogG | crashanddie there is flame and wars, you can combine these words - but doesn't sound right |
| 16:34.26 | ZogG | you can say maemo wars and make a wiki page =) |
| 16:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | envisions crashanddie and timeless sitting in pub arguing about nerd terms |
| 16:34.50 | jaska | ontological debate |
| 16:35.15 | crashanddie | ZogG: just shut the hell up, I know I am. |
| 16:35.35 | ZogG | crashanddie love you too |
| 16:35.40 | ZogG | ~kiss crashanddie |
| 16:35.41 | infobot | ACTION forces crashanddie to give sr71 a big kiss on the lips |
| 16:35.48 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: actually, we just discuss the differences between English and the bastardised version he speaks. |
| 16:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | rotfl |
| 16:36.06 | ZogG | crashanddie, i'm the internetz =) |
| 16:36.09 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: the yank actually demanded that I tag my blog as "en-GB" |
| 16:36.12 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 16:36.16 | *** kick/#maemo [ZogG!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (and I win) |
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| 16:36.18 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 16:36.44 | ZogG | i heard people who have small penis can kick on chans =))) |
| 16:37.01 | crashanddie | indeed, we even have special meetings each year |
| 16:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | gasps |
| 16:37.08 | crashanddie | ZogG: just let it go now, please. |
| 16:37.11 | ZogG | can i check in? |
| 16:37.18 | mc_teo | ban him |
| 16:37.22 | mc_teo | i dont like him |
| 16:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | cr-ASH |
| 16:37.31 | crashanddie | mc_teo: stfu, you're the troll around here, he's just being daft because he's bored. |
| 16:37.39 | ZogG | crashanddie, man, as i said before i'm joking. you just take it too srs and it makes fun =) |
| 16:37.45 | mc_teo | crashanddie: how am i troll |
| 16:37.46 | ZogG | mc_teo, haha |
| 16:37.51 | Arkenoi | -> switching my primary desktop os |
| 16:37.56 | crashanddie | ZogG: see reply to mc_teo |
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| 16:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | secondary lang nd-IE |
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| 16:38.19 | mc_teo | i use windows 97% of the time |
| 16:38.24 | BCMM | i <3 IRC |
| 16:38.45 | mc_teo | but i enjoy that 3% that i use ubuntu more than the rest |
| 16:38.52 | ZogG | crashanddie, i think i can sacrifice myself for the best of the maemo future and you can ban me ) |i'm stopping, just really was bored =( |
| 16:39.00 | Arkenoi | never really used windows, tried a bit and found out that it sucks |
| 16:39.11 | *** part/#maemo FIQ (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 16:39.18 | ZogG | mc_teo, srsly, if you like linux - go for it, what stopping you? |
| 16:39.24 | crashanddie | ZogG: work? |
| 16:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | <3 crashanddie's foul moods |
| 16:39.25 | Arkenoi | i had 98 on libretto in pre-netbook era as it was too weak for any other os |
| 16:39.43 | Xenon|XZ | Windows sucks, but thats good because otherwise I wouldnt have a job |
| 16:40.01 | ZogG | crashanddie, dual boot as he has but primary is linux, vmbox or wine |
| 16:40.15 | mc_teo | ... |
| 16:40.22 | Arkenoi | is switching from hp-ux to solaris actually ;-) |
| 16:40.24 | mc_teo | his primary os is wine? |
| 16:40.35 | Arkenoi | (and it is solaris/sparc) |
| 16:40.43 | ZogG | now gonna study at school C and don't know how can i do it with no windows at home =( |
| 16:40.48 | crashanddie | ZogG: nha, actually, if you work in specific corp environments, you don't even have the password to the bios, can't install to boot sector, whatev' (plus, it's not your laptop so you're not allowed to) |
| 16:41.06 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: err what? |
| 16:41.29 | crashanddie | ZogG: I got my ass kicked for installing a newer version of Office on my laptop, imagine if I changed the OS... |
| 16:41.45 | ZogG | crashanddie i was talking about home desktop, as well if you work at IT where i want to work - i hope i get personal laptop or they all use linux |
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| 16:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | what's the problem in staying away from redmond crap for studying C ? o.O |
| 16:42.00 | Xenon|XZ | @Mossy |
| 16:42.10 | ZogG | crashanddie where do you work - if it's not a secret? |
| 16:42.10 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: visual C, obviously :) |
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| 16:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | c# |
| 16:42.24 | mc_teo | :) |
| 16:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | fis-minor |
| 16:42.32 | ShadowJK | I don't think redmond has a C99 compiler yet |
| 16:42.36 | crashanddie | ZogG: I don't work there anymore, but it was for a security company, mainly on-site in what basically amounts to bunkers. |
| 16:42.38 | ZogG | DocScrutinizerbecaue teachers would prob have everything in windows |
| 16:42.44 | mc_teo | ZogG: would you descibe yourself as a winfag? |
| 16:42.48 | ZogG | and homework would be for windows |
| 16:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | friggin ODD |
| 16:43.17 | ZogG | mc_teo lol =) when you have nothing to say - just stfu =) |
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| 16:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'd beat them to using OS neutral formats |
| 16:43.36 | ZogG | crashanddie i can understand them anyway |
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| 16:43.59 | crashanddie | ZogG: for everything there's a usage. When you're at work, you don't need to mess with the OS, you just need to use the apps. Which is email (outlook), firefox, putty, filezilla, and putty. If you're good with documents and writing crap, you'll have to deal with Visio and Word too. |
| 16:44.22 | Tootoot222 | liveUSB ftw? |
| 16:44.37 | *** join/#maemo Vishu (~smartboyo@124.253.218.19) |
| 16:44.51 | crashanddie | ZogG: honestly, it's too much of a bother to try and fight the system in that way. You can spend 2 years flaming everyone in the company, trying to convince the company that they could be running Linux, or you just get on with your job, and do what you're being asked. Guess which one will earn you a promotion. |
| 16:44.58 | ZogG | crashanddie, if you can manage to upgrade office a lot of people don't , so adminisstrators have to fix all these shit people are doing when they think they are hackers(not about you). at my work some peopl think they know computer and got all apps with viruses. i'm tierd of fighting with them |
| 16:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | Tootoot222: depending on company policy, the sysop may beat the shit out of you |
| 16:45.10 | crashanddie | The loud obnoxious ass doesn't get a promotion, he gets put in the closet where noone can hear him. |
| 16:45.56 | jaska | if the company forces linux devs to use windows on work machines then im in the wrong company :) |
| 16:46.03 | lcuk | or sent off to australia ;) |
| 16:46.06 | crashanddie | jaska: obviously |
| 16:46.16 | crashanddie | lcuk: shush |
| 16:46.19 | ZogG | crashanddie that's why i agree, but back to the question. if mc_teo enjoys linux and i assume he has comp at home, he can set linux there and use it not 3% but 24/7 |
| 16:46.23 | lcuk | :P |
| 16:46.32 | mc_teo | i would of thought more people here would of used linux, considering maemo is |
| 16:46.45 | ZogG | lcuk canada =) |
| 16:46.54 | crashanddie | ZogG: there is already crapware for Linux, and spyware too. It's only a matter of time before corporations start using $DISTRO, and the same assholes you have to deal with will be running botnets and spyware on their Linux installs. |
| 16:47.10 | crashanddie | mc_teo: "would have" |
| 16:47.29 | satmd | examples? |
| 16:47.32 | ZogG | mc_teo here maybe, but most people who buy n900 don't as most people don't understadn the difference, they use what they got and don't mind to ask what is it =) |
| 16:47.37 | mc_teo | crashanddie: doesnt change the msg |
| 16:47.39 | Xenon|XZ | i bought an N900 because I heard it ran Linux |
| 16:47.43 | *** part/#maemo Vishu (~smartboyo@124.253.218.19) |
| 16:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | jaska: well it's like if Nokia hands balckberrys to their employees |
| 16:48.03 | SpeedEvil | I bought a N900 because I herd it liked mudkipz. |
| 16:48.11 | Tootoot222 | crashanddie: that's exactly why you only install programs that are maintained by your distro, and open source |
| 16:48.16 | Tootoot222 | so you know what is a botnet and what is not |
| 16:48.23 | ZogG | crashanddie it's not about secure, it's about policy, though i use flash and closed drivers, i prefer free software when you have choice. |
| 16:48.44 | crashanddie | Tootoot222: and you think half the windows installs are infected because people downloaded shit religiously from windows.com? |
| 16:48.54 | crashanddie | Tootoot222: people want titties, spyware gives them titties |
| 16:49.00 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, i bought it because pr1.2 chuck norris thread was awesome |
| 16:49.03 | nikki93 | O_o |
| 16:49.04 | Tootoot222 | crashanddie: if you only downloaded from windows.com you end up with nothing |
| 16:49.14 | crashanddie | Tootoot222: people want happy bunnies, spyware gives them happy bunnies |
| 16:49.17 | lcuk | ZogG, +10 |
| 16:49.29 | nikki93 | crashanddie: Are you trolling? |
| 16:49.35 | lcuk | i believe he is |
| 16:49.38 | ZogG | lcuk, Norris or choise? |
| 16:49.39 | crashanddie | probably |
| 16:49.43 | *** part/#maemo supertramp (~Alexander@www2nd.baz.cz) |
| 16:49.44 | nikki93 | Then lets ignore him and get on with life. |
| 16:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | (blackberry) btw I know of a company that was in building phones and didi exactly that |
| 16:50.04 | ZogG | nikki93, haha. welcome to the IRC |
| 16:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 16:50.06 | lcuk | ZogG, with chuck norris on your side, you have all the choices you want |
| 16:50.17 | Tootoot222 | crashanddie: even if you downloaded an infected video that uses a buffer overflow of some sort, those bugs get fixed very fast (if they're even present at all) |
| 16:50.17 | nikki93 | ZogG: I've been here a long time, thank you. ;) |
| 16:50.19 | crashanddie | it just astonishes me that people think Linux will be the be-all end-all solution to spyware and botnets |
| 16:50.37 | nikki93 | ZogG: Just learnt enough to not waste time with trolls. |
| 16:50.38 | ZogG | lcuk, yeah, you know if chuck has n900 and you have n900, chuck norris has better phone |
| 16:50.39 | lcuk | nahhh the honour virus shows that |
| 16:50.40 | nikki93 | crashanddie: Linux is a kernel. |
| 16:50.52 | Xenon|XZ | spyware will not infect a linux system unless you run everything as root |
| 16:51.02 | crashanddie | wth |
| 16:51.06 | ZogG | nikki93, you are stubborn |
| 16:51.15 | crashanddie | you can run things in the user environment without being root |
| 16:51.18 | crashanddie | that's enough for a botnet |
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| 16:51.22 | lcuk | Xenon|XZ, but to install anything normally dont most distros sudo the process? |
| 16:51.22 | noidea` | ._. |
| 16:51.23 | nikki93 | ZogG: I just tell the truth D: |
| 16:51.25 | noidea` | so many people |
| 16:51.29 | ZogG | nikki93, the thing is that lang is changing and igff everyone name GNU/Linux is Linux it's linux |
| 16:51.44 | Xenon|XZ | yes, but unless ur a troll u will be fine |
| 16:51.58 | ZogG | nikki93 and no crashanddie is not trolling, he is discussing with little sarcasm maybe sometimes |truth |
| 16:52.00 | nikki93 | ZogG: Still, I don't see how a distro could be 'the final solution'. It's all a matter of people using it you know. |
| 16:52.06 | crashanddie | Tootoot222: mate, have you looked at spyware or a botnet system lately? They don't require any hacks or exploits. They ask the user "Do you want to see boobies? If so, click on "Install"", and guess what, people click on "install" |
| 16:52.07 | nikki93 | ZogG: mkay |
| 16:52.10 | lcuk | do .install files exist for other distros, or is it a maemoism? |
| 16:52.22 | satmd | confirms crashanddie |
| 16:52.27 | lcuk | ie browse to random website and do a one click install of random file from untrusted repo |
| 16:52.29 | satmd | sad but true |
| 16:52.32 | ZogG | nikki93, what do you mean by final solution? |
| 16:52.38 | nikki93 | crashanddie: I've been using Linux for a while, haven't had such problems. |
| 16:52.40 | ZogG | lcuk, i think buntu |
| 16:52.49 | nikki93 | ZogG: Solution to botnet and spyware in this context. |
| 16:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | /kicks nikki93 to ##RMS |
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| 16:53.05 | lcuk | nikki93, but you could use windows for same duration and not have problems |
| 16:53.07 | nikki93 | DocScrutinizer: root mean square? D: |
| 16:53.12 | crashanddie | lcuk: .deb auto installs (pretty much), .bin files usually run and get user access |
| 16:53.15 | Arkenoi | crashanddie, well, on my previous job out it department sabotaged providing and magaging linux machine for me with any possible effort, so it ended up with them giving me passwords to access corporate resources and setting the system up by myself |
| 16:53.20 | nikki93 | lcuk: Yup. Never said otherwise really. |
| 16:53.31 | Dassu | Anybody else having gprs problems with enhanced power-user linux kernel? |
| 16:53.32 | ZogG | nikki93, oh, as i said i discuss linux not as global solution but the choise f my use. and if person is stupid he got viruses even at calculator =) |
| 16:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | nikki93: well, dunno if he's mean, but for sure he's square |
| 16:53.35 | SwedeMike | I'm curious regarding standby time people have on their N900, so I created a survey. It's just a single question, if you feel like participating, please go to <http://www.kwiksurveys.com/online-survey.php?surveyID=KNOJMI_c7333525> |
| 16:53.40 | Arkenoi | though we had rhel desktop as officially supported workstation system |
| 16:53.41 | Dassu | can't seem to get a connection across |
| 16:53.49 | crashanddie | lcuk: if you sugarcoat it enough, I'm pretty sure you could get people to chmod +x filename and sudo ./filename it anyway |
| 16:53.54 | lcuk | nikki93, the operator of the computer usually has their own level of concern about their system and wont do things if they smell wrong |
| 16:54.01 | ZogG | lcuk, nope, until you don't check pr0n sites |
| 16:54.07 | nikki93 | I have to study for a chemistry test. D: |
| 16:54.08 | nikki93 | cya |
| 16:54.14 | ZogG | bye |
| 16:54.33 | Ikarus | SwedeMike: it depends and most strongly depends on having packet on/off and how bad the reception o it is :) |
| 16:54.46 | ZogG | crashanddie, actually it's not install files do the thing but app manager knows to run them? |
| 16:54.52 | SwedeMike | Ikarus: well, that's the kind of feedback I would like as well, because I've done quite a lot of testing and for me it's inconclusive. |
| 16:54.57 | crashanddie | ZogG: aye |
| 16:55.09 | Ikarus | SwedeMike: I can confirm this pretty well |
| 16:55.11 | ZogG | as example if i write program that would open .ebuild and emerge automagicly =) |
| 16:55.16 | lcuk | SwedeMike, i rarely use my devices "lightly" |
| 16:55.33 | Ikarus | SwedeMike: given I do alot of train travel with good maps on HSDPA reception along the routes |
| 16:55.35 | SwedeMike | Ikarus: for instance, in my testing it seems that just the fact of having my headset plugged in uses a heap of juice, don't know if it's the app that detectsthat and supposed to turn off the volume when I take it out that uses the juice. |
| 16:55.55 | crashanddie | ZogG: except that there are some permission foo going on, allowing the app manager to use dpkg, without root status or something. You'd need to find a workaround that |
| 16:55.59 | Xenon|XZ | dyou think that ovi maps will get voice guided navigation someday? |
| 16:56.11 | SwedeMike | Ikarus: but yes, running 2G without packet up and running on a freshly rebooted unit makes the standby time much better. |
| 16:56.16 | ZogG | SwedeMike, headphone deamon on extra rep? |
| 16:56.21 | SwedeMike | ZogG: yes. |
| 16:56.31 | Ikarus | SwedeMike: also running wifi or a solid 3G packet connection works alot better |
| 16:56.35 | Ikarus | wifi beating 3G |
| 16:57.06 | lcuk | SwedeMike, why isnt there an option for "over 9000 hours"? |
| 16:57.07 | mc_teo | SwedeMike: my juice is being drank |
| 16:57.17 | ZogG | crashanddie you can do it, or with dirty hack or with udev rules(or what thing can give you permission) as for example it gives user permission to reboot |
| 16:57.34 | ZogG | SwedeMike and it doesn't work? |
| 16:57.54 | mc_teo | SwedeMike: since i installed pr1.2 my battery last half as long |
| 16:58.02 | lcuk | i can make n900 shutdown in a fraction of a second by calling xrandr something |
| 16:58.07 | SwedeMike | ZogG: it does work, but it seems I double the power consumption with my headset plugged in. |
| 16:58.10 | Ikarus | wifi with xchat (on a dozen or so channels) and jabber on lasts around 10 hours, on packet with a stable connection between 6 and 8 hours and with a dodgy 3G connection which requires alot of reconnects I can blow through it in 3 hours |
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| 16:58.40 | lcuk | mc_teo, thats odd, most things have better battery consumption due to numerous combinational tweaks |
| 16:58.40 | ZogG | SwedeMike hm, you mean even if you don't use them and they are in battery dies faster? |
| 16:58.56 | SwedeMike | what is the easiest way of saving screenshots, I can show you some interesting differences in batterygraph |
| 16:59.05 | ZogG | lcuk [pr1.2 is a pie, i mean a lie =) |
| 16:59.09 | lcuk | SwedeMike, CTRL+p i think |
| 16:59.11 | SwedeMike | ZogG: yes, just having the plugged in. |
| 16:59.17 | ZogG | SwedeMike ctrl+shift+p |
| 16:59.20 | Ikarus | pr1.2 hasn't influenced battery life at all for me |
| 16:59.20 | lcuk | maybe shift too |
| 16:59.23 | lcuk | lol |
| 16:59.23 | ZogG | SwedeMike that's wierd |
| 16:59.23 | SpeedEvil | 2G is lots better than 3G if you can use it. |
| 16:59.34 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: not the case for me |
| 16:59.45 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: 2G and 3G where about equal |
| 16:59.49 | ZogG | SpeedEvil, i go for 1G |
| 16:59.50 | lcuk | with people doing xchat on n900 and noticing power draining faster |
| 16:59.51 | SwedeMike | hm, cltr-shift-p doesn't say anything, but it saves it somewhere silently? |
| 16:59.56 | lcuk | perhaps its because the channels are busier |
| 17:00.02 | lcuk | this week maemo and meego have been buzzing |
| 17:00.07 | ZogG | SwedeMike, yes |
| 17:00.15 | SwedeMike | actually sending packet on 3G take a lot of power. |
| 17:00.16 | ZogG | SwedeMike, images â screenshots |
| 17:00.36 | mc_teo | lcuk: ive noticed that yes |
| 17:00.44 | lcuk | sure SwedeMike but if the channel is busier, its doing a lot of the same |
| 17:00.53 | lcuk | well mc_teo both had released this week |
| 17:00.57 | lcuk | releases |
| 17:01.02 | mc_teo | lurking on #maemo drains your battery faster |
| 17:01.08 | Ikarus | mc_teo: heh |
| 17:01.16 | ZogG | haha |
| 17:01.19 | Ikarus | mc_teo: mine lasts 6 - 8 hours doing that |
| 17:01.25 | Ikarus | or 10 if I am on wifi |
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| 17:01.32 | lcuk | mc_teo, thats obvious, try lurking on ##c or #ubnutu or something too |
| 17:01.35 | mc_teo | i am always on wifi |
| 17:01.38 | lcuk | your battery will drain even faster |
| 17:01.45 | ZogG | let's make test: 2 N900 with xchat one on meego and one on maemo chans, which one die faster |
| 17:01.55 | lcuk | maemo - we gossip more |
| 17:01.55 | mc_teo | lol |
| 17:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: questionable |
| 17:02.21 | ZogG | i think meego |
| 17:02.23 | lcuk | meego goes practically silent outside "office hours" |
| 17:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: there's a 'saturation' level reached quite quickly |
| 17:02.35 | ZogG | as N900 jealous and hates meego |
| 17:02.37 | lcuk | apart from occasional |
| 17:02.44 | lcuk | * tumbleweed rolled through channel |
| 17:02.50 | ZogG | =) |
| 17:02.57 | ZogG | let's go to meego now |
| 17:03.03 | ZogG | and continue there |
| 17:03.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 17:03.13 | lcuk | but if theres 10k lines being processed by xchat |
| 17:03.20 | lcuk | thats nothing to do with the wireless level |
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| 17:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | 3G stays 'online' for some (10s) seconds after each packet |
| 17:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | so additional packets come "for free" during that period |
| 17:04.14 | lcuk | apart from the work done to add the data to the channel object |
| 17:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
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| 17:05.55 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: Yeah - I should have qualified that with 'in my case' |
| 17:06.27 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: actually there are two modes, and full idle is 30 seconds without any packets. |
| 17:06.33 | SpeedEvil | In my measurements, 2G - flat out - was about the same as 3G sending a packet every few seconds. |
| 17:06.45 | lcuk | grabs popcorn |
| 17:06.58 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: first you have HS, which timeouts quite quickly (around a second), then you get your 64kilobit/s channel, that timeouts after 30 seconds. |
| 17:07.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | SwedeMike: :-) |
| 17:07.30 | frals | ~curse MMS |
| 17:07.31 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, MMS ! |
| 17:07.48 | odin_ | what was the rationale for bumping ld-linux.so.3 on Maemo5 ? |
| 17:07.52 | SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: What is the transition between 3 and 3.5g? |
| 17:07.52 | SwedeMike | hm, I really can't find my screenshots... I mounted my N900 as mass storage device from my linux, can't find anything, also looking in xterm on the n900, ... any hints? |
| 17:07.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | says the author of fmms |
| 17:08.01 | SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Or is 3.5G - HS cnannel active? |
| 17:08.13 | SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: 3.5G is HS resource allocated, yes. |
| 17:08.21 | frals | DocScrutinizer: not my fault operators are stupid when implementing it :( |
| 17:08.29 | SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: it can take 1-2 seconds to get that up and running. |
| 17:08.47 | SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Hmm - I need to check 60s pings and 90s I guess too. |
| 17:09.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption - as well as make that page better. |
| 17:09.05 | mc_teo | does ovi chat account thingy use your ovi.com account? |
| 17:09.20 | SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Thanks. |
| 17:09.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | SwedeMike: check for hidden folders |
| 17:10.13 | SwedeMike | I work for a mobile phone operator, did some tests regarding that... you can try it yourself by checking the time it takes to get packets in/out after those intervals, it takes the longest after 30s of idle (it's settable by the mobile operator though, but I think 30s is default) |
| 17:10.37 | SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Hmm - yeah - that's an easy thing to test. |
| 17:10.43 | SwedeMike | ah, .images of course |
| 17:10.55 | SpeedEvil | needs to setup a reverse SSH tunnel. |
| 17:11.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | SwedeMike: you know about 3G-2G handover? |
| 17:11.27 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer51: a little. |
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| 17:11.37 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: what do mean reverse? |
| 17:11.37 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 17:11.44 | SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Does the 3G network inform the 2G side of the available 2G towers? |
| 17:11.47 | mc_teo | wouldnt it just be the same? |
| 17:12.00 | mc_teo | just in the opposite direction |
| 17:12.14 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: No - you can't typically take inbound connections on mobile internet |
| 17:12.30 | PhonicUK | anyone know if there is a PSX emu for the N900 with decent performance? |
| 17:12.31 | Macer | heh |
| 17:12.32 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: So you need a ssh session tunneled by the phone to a server which lets you push in that direction |
| 17:12.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you need to swap ome 2 with e in there |
| 17:12.33 | Macer | wtf is ovi? only time i even thought about ovi was when i tried the crappy maps |
| 17:12.40 | mc_teo | well maybe not where your from |
| 17:12.42 | ali1234 | PhonicUK: noooooo |
| 17:13.01 | mc_teo | but im using mobile broadband all the time |
| 17:13.03 | ali1234 | PhonicUK: you won't be playing any games full speed, unless they are really simple |
| 17:13.20 | mc_teo | i have a usb mobile modem, plugged in to my router |
| 17:13.22 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: you can connect from outside to your phones IP? |
| 17:13.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you need to swap one 2 with 3 in there |
| 17:13.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I don't think so. |
| 17:13.52 | PhonicUK | I know, its a shame because there is a PSX emu for the Pandora (same CPU, etc) which gets full speed emulation |
| 17:13.54 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: i use hspda or w/e as my fixed line broadband |
| 17:14.04 | arachnist | ~curse flash |
| 17:14.05 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, flash ! |
| 17:14.07 | ali1234 | PhonicUK: you can get to about 80-90% of real PSX speed if you disable compositing and pulseaudio |
| 17:14.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was meaning - does the 2G modem need to search for them - or is itnformed if it has an active 3G connection |
| 17:14.20 | PhonicUK | i know :P |
| 17:14.22 | ali1234 | PhonicUK: pandora uses neither of those (actually it uses raw framebuffer, even faster) |
| 17:14.22 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: But does it accept inbound connections. |
| 17:14.27 | mc_teo | yes |
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| 17:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | <SpeedEvil> SwedeMike: Does the 3G network inform the 2G side of the available THREE- G towers? |
| 17:14.37 | mc_teo | i used to run a webserver |
| 17:14.37 | PhonicUK | it doesn't use the framebuffer anymore actually :P |
| 17:14.38 | SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: yes, both 2G and 3G network advertises "neighbours" that should be considered for handover. |
| 17:14.39 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: Many don't. |
| 17:14.40 | ali1234 | but even then it can't do full speed in all games |
| 17:14.45 | PhonicUK | they got decent speed under X |
| 17:14.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:14.55 | ali1234 | psx4all does on pandora port |
| 17:15.01 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: Which is a good thing for moile battery case. |
| 17:15.03 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: and i use for ssh tunnelling when im in school |
| 17:15.08 | SwedeMike | oki, so some of my batterygraph screenshots are available at http://swm.pp.se/n900/ , this one is very agressive for instance: http://swm.pp.se/n900/Screenshot-20100529-190133.png |
| 17:15.11 | PhonicUK | I don't think psx4all for maemo has been kept up to date with the other versions though |
| 17:15.18 | MohammadAG | <ali1234> psx4all does on pandora port |
| 17:15.26 | MohammadAG | it has a GPU plugin |
| 17:15.31 | mc_teo | SpeedEvil: but its not really a mobile |
| 17:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: even more interesting: Does the 2G network inform the 3G side of the available 2G towers? |
| 17:15.33 | MohammadAG | there's a huge thread about it on tmo |
| 17:15.38 | ali1234 | psx4all for maemo is up to date with psx4all public source release |
| 17:15.54 | ali1234 | no idea what the original developer is cooking up internally |
| 17:15.54 | MohammadAG | ali1234, the pandora plugin isn't open source - yet |
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| 17:16.04 | PhonicUK | ah |
| 17:16.07 | MohammadAG | GPU plugin |
| 17:16.15 | ali1234 | MohammadAG: you mean the "new" pandora plugin |
| 17:16.15 | PhonicUK | maybe we'll get something better eventually |
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| 17:16.22 | PhonicUK | maybe we'll get Ari64 :) |
| 17:16.24 | ali1234 | because there is one in the public source, but it uses FB |
| 17:16.27 | mc_teo | i can not recieve dsl or adsl or anything through land line |
| 17:16.40 | mc_teo | so i have a Three data modem |
| 17:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: SwedeMike: and are here clearly specified criteria when to "roam" 2G<->3G? |
| 17:17.07 | ali1234 | anyway i dont think the cpu is fast enough personally, despite what pandora appears to do |
| 17:17.10 | mc_teo | uses hspda, with edge, and gprs as fallbacks |
| 17:17.12 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: I know. |
| 17:17.30 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: I'm just saying that having an open connection onto the internet for most phones is bad. |
| 17:17.35 | mc_teo | i get upto 7.4Mb/s |
| 17:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: SwedeMike: are carriers usually setting up their services to handover the DHCP lease? |
| 17:18.08 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo: As it will keep the modem much of the time active recieving probes from botnets |
| 17:18.17 | PhonicUK | ali1234, if the pandora can do it, theres no reason for the N900 not to |
| 17:18.18 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: I'm sure a mobile phone engineer would call it clear, I don't understand it well enough to do it :) |
| 17:18.28 | PhonicUK | exactly the same SoC |
| 17:18.40 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: normally you move the IP, yes. Usually DHCP isn't used, it's PPP. |
| 17:18.41 | Stskeeps | if people used iphb we'd probably be having more 3g efficient applications |
| 17:18.48 | ali1234 | PhonicUK: i don't believe the pandora can do it well enough to be worth it |
| 17:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | aaah yes |
| 17:19.00 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: it's called a GTP carrier, and it's media independant. |
| 17:19.02 | PhonicUK | the pandora gets full speed :\ |
| 17:19.07 | PhonicUK | even at 500MHz instead of 600MHz |
| 17:19.09 | ali1234 | also, i don't believe the SoC can do it and still be in a mode where you can receive incoming calls |
| 17:19.17 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS_Tunnelling_Protocol |
| 17:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: thanks a lot :-) |
| 17:19.24 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53087 (cc ali1234) |
| 17:19.27 | MohammadAG | it's not about the CPU |
| 17:19.32 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: The CPU and the modem are completely independant |
| 17:19.35 | MohammadAG | the pandora uses the DSP/GPU |
| 17:19.43 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: I have woken the n900 from suspend-RAM with calls |
| 17:19.51 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: oh really? so i can make a phone call while pulseaudio is not running? |
| 17:20.01 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: and answer a call while hildon-desktop is not running? |
| 17:20.02 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: That's not quite what I said. |
| 17:20.04 | ali1234 | i think not |
| 17:20.39 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: Since when was hildon-desktop and pulseaudio part of the SoC? |
| 17:20.43 | ali1234 | i don't believe that N900 can run a PSX emulator full speed while compositing and pulse are running |
| 17:20.59 | ali1234 | so i choose between being able to receive calls, and playing a PSX emulator |
| 17:21.05 | MohammadAG | What you believe =! What will happen |
| 17:21.06 | ali1234 | that's no choice at all |
| 17:21.11 | Stskeeps | or pause the psx emu while calling? .. |
| 17:21.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:21.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:21.48 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: you mean: pause the psx-emulator, restart hildon, restart pulse... 30 seconds later, the person ringing you has hung up, and the "answer" button has only just finished repainting |
| 17:21.56 | MohammadAG | But.. why? |
| 17:22.09 | MohammadAG | hildon shouldn't interfere with an emulator |
| 17:22.14 | MohammadAG | or pulseaudio |
| 17:22.17 | ali1234 | shouldn't |
| 17:22.19 | ali1234 | but they do |
| 17:22.21 | MohammadAG | won't* |
| 17:22.28 | MohammadAG | how'd you check/prove that |
| 17:22.42 | ali1234 | try running any emulator with them enabled. pulse will use 25% CPU, hildon will use 25% CPU |
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| 17:22.54 | MohammadAG | and the DSP will be @ 0 load |
| 17:23.01 | ali1234 | emulators by nature update the whole screen at a high rate, and send lots of small audio packets |
| 17:23.02 | MohammadAG | (well not 0, but you get the point) |
| 17:23.08 | ali1234 | both worst case for compositing/sound server |
| 17:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | ali1234: 25% of which cpuclock freq? |
| 17:23.39 | ali1234 | DocScrutinizeri assume max since it was 25% -> pulse, 25% -> hildon, 50% -> psx4all |
| 17:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | ali1234: not arguing in favour of PA - I hate it. But those figures are quite meaningless |
| 17:24.03 | ali1234 | i rather like PA on desktop |
| 17:24.30 | MohammadAG | pulseaudio isn't tied to hildon-desktop |
| 17:24.40 | ali1234 | i never said it was |
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| 17:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, got to go - there's RL needs to obey. cya #maemo |
| 17:24.57 | ali1234 | i said you need both pulse and hildon running if you want to be able to answer an incoming call before the person hangs up |
| 17:25.17 | Dassu | Fuck yeah |
| 17:25.23 | Dassu | fixed my gprs0 not working problemo |
| 17:25.55 | Dassu | now back to the serious business: Getting mobilehotspot to work while breaking gprs again |
| 17:27.06 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43605 - claims that since 1.1 - any fullscreen app bypasses the compositor |
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| 17:27.24 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:27.37 | ali1234 | it's been possible to "bypass the compositor" by setting WM hints since forever, but it doesn't actually improve the speed in any way |
| 17:27.46 | MohammadAG | <ali1234> i said you need both pulse and hildon running if you want to be able to answer an incoming call before the person hangs up |
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| 17:27.47 | MohammadAG | not quite |
| 17:27.50 | MohammadAG | just tested it |
| 17:27.54 | ali1234 | the only way to get an actual speedup is to killall hildon-desktop |
| 17:27.57 | MohammadAG | hildon desktop is not needed to answer a call |
| 17:28.05 | MohammadAG | or reject it |
| 17:28.09 | ali1234 | how do you press the answer button with no wm running? |
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| 17:28.23 | MohammadAG | you look at the device and click answer |
| 17:28.37 | ali1234 | buttons dont respond to input if no wm in running |
| 17:28.38 | SwedeMike | Android has this nice program that'll estimate every application power consumption, wish there was a similar one for the N900. |
| 17:28.41 | MohammadAG | they do |
| 17:28.47 | ali1234 | they didn't on the old firmware |
| 17:28.51 | MohammadAG | they did |
| 17:28.55 | MohammadAG | don't spread BS facts |
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| 17:30.43 | ali1234 | some buttons work, many dialogs do not |
| 17:30.54 | MohammadAG | all call buttons work |
| 17:31.00 | Proteous | terminal history works for user and not just root now. I am so happy |
| 17:31.52 | MohammadAG | killing HD or PA would not necessary if PSX4ALL had the GPU plugin |
| 17:32.45 | ali1234 | dont forget that without PA you cannot mix the sound from that incoming call even if you can answer it |
| 17:32.56 | ali1234 | GPU plugin is not going to help you with that |
| 17:32.56 | MohammadAG | Well duh |
| 17:33.00 | MohammadAG | it is |
| 17:33.33 | ali1234 | you either use PA, or the emulator locks the sound device and no other app can make sound until you quit |
| 17:34.07 | MohammadAG | I don't think I need the person calling me to hear my PSX games, when a call comes the phone apps gets priority |
| 17:34.08 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone else having issues with the orientation of the phone screen? seems its mostly in landscape |
| 17:34.15 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: Also - I notice that media player playing fullscreen turns compositor off totally - no CPU usage |
| 17:34.35 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: mplayer - fullscreen - CPU usage of hildon desktop is in the 3% range. |
| 17:34.40 | ali1234 | anyway i'm not going to argue about this any more, if you think i am wrong, then prove it. make an emulator that runs full speed |
| 17:35.01 | MohammadAG | Wait for ZodTTD... |
| 17:35.13 | ali1234 | even the snes emulator cannot manage 50fps last time i tried it |
| 17:35.16 | MohammadAG | I don't see why the pandora can do it |
| 17:35.21 | ali1234 | (unless you kill hildon and pulse) |
| 17:35.26 | MohammadAG | the picodrive emu runs at 60fps locked |
| 17:35.29 | MohammadAG | with no frame drops |
| 17:35.37 | ali1234 | the pandora can do it because 1. it does not use hildon, 2. it does not use pulse |
| 17:35.51 | pupnik_ | laughs |
| 17:35.54 | ali1234 | and 3. because zod wrote some better plugins for the hw |
| 17:35.54 | pupnik_ | ty ali1234 |
| 17:36.04 | MohammadAG | 1. hildon is switched off in fullscreen mode 2. uh... |
| 17:36.08 | SpeedEvil | Oops - my bad. |
| 17:36.12 | MohammadAG | 3. which is what we're waiting for... |
| 17:36.51 | ali1234 | see the thing is that 1. gives a 25% speed increase, 2. gives 25%, and 3. gives about 5% |
| 17:37.10 | ali1234 | without 1 and 2, 3 won't make much difference, you'll still be stuck at about 70% full speed |
| 17:37.12 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: Hildon desktop - with mplayer fullscreen - and xterm in the background not scrolling furiously - uses 0.2% of CPU |
| 17:37.12 | MohammadAG | how did you actually check with 3 |
| 17:37.21 | ali1234 | but what do i know. prove me wrong, i would love to have a good emulator |
| 17:37.26 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: So I'm pretty sure your point about hildon desktop is bogus. |
| 17:37.32 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
| 17:37.39 | MohammadAG | and about the plugin part |
| 17:37.46 | SpeedEvil | It may not have been bogus in the past - but now. |
| 17:37.51 | zaheerm | TomaszD, pong |
| 17:38.56 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: mplayer just is not a good test because it can buffer the audio/video streams |
| 17:39.15 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: a good test is an emulator of some ooooooold machine running fullscreen |
| 17:39.17 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: I don't care. |
| 17:39.22 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: I am looking at top |
| 17:39.25 | ali1234 | an emulator that by rights really should run at fullspeed with ease |
| 17:39.38 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: hildon-desktop is using ~0.2% CPU with mplayer fullscreen |
| 17:39.57 | MohammadAG | <ali1234> SpeedEvil: mplayer just is not a good test because it can buffer the audio/video streams |
| 17:40.01 | ali1234 | and that proves what? |
| 17:40.04 | MohammadAG | it's not "good" because it loads the CPU |
| 17:40.09 | MohammadAG | it proves you wrong :) |
| 17:40.23 | ali1234 | mplayer loads the CPU not the graphics hardware |
| 17:40.30 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: you were earlier claiming that hildon-desktop was eating lots of CPU. |
| 17:40.40 | ali1234 | yes |
| 17:40.42 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: Due to compositing windows that were high-motion. |
| 17:40.52 | ali1234 | because it is compositing, and the graphics hardware is not fast enough |
| 17:40.58 | SpeedEvil | You don't get much more high-motion than the video I was using to benchmark with -benchmark |
| 17:41.02 | ali1234 | the bottleneck is not CPU |
| 17:41.06 | GAN900 | trooooooolllllll |
| 17:41.08 | MohammadAG | <ali1234> mplayer loads the CPU not the graphics hardware <-- so does PSX4ALL |
| 17:41.11 | ali1234 | you do if that video is only 25fps |
| 17:41.17 | ali1234 | what frame rate is your video? hmm? |
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| 17:41.23 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: 84. |
| 17:41.27 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: -benchmark |
| 17:41.53 | ali1234 | MohammadAG: no, psx4all loads the graphics hardware |
| 17:42.06 | ali1234 | because it uses it in an extremely inefficient way |
| 17:42.22 | MohammadAG | ali1234, last I checked it only used the CPU |
| 17:42.34 | MohammadAG | which is why they need the GPU plugin |
| 17:42.35 | ali1234 | oh? you didn't notice it drawing things on the screen? |
| 17:42.45 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 17:42.46 | ali1234 | how do you think that stuff gets there? |
| 17:43.26 | MohammadAG | It doesn't use it to emulate the PSX games |
| 17:43.40 | MohammadAG | anyways, this discussion is boring since it was based on wrong facts to begin with |
| 17:43.53 | MohammadAG | you were proven wrong twice - which says quite a lot |
| 17:44.23 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: |
| 17:44.42 | ali1234 | i must have missed the point where you produced a psx emulator that runs at full speed on n900 - twice |
| 17:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Hildon-desktop is using no CPU in the case of fullscreen high-motion video. Are you claiming it's using some other resource? |
| 17:44.57 | SpeedEvil | (with mplayer) |
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| 17:45.08 | GAN900 | T R O L L |
| 17:45.23 | MohammadAG | Indeed |
| 17:45.41 | mc_teo | how do i use ovi chat? |
| 17:46.00 | MohammadAG | Add an account in settings and use the Contacts app |
| 17:46.36 | Proteous | you have to have collected at least 2 magical unicorns first |
| 17:46.37 | mc_teo | ah |
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| 17:49.55 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: what mplayer version are you using? |
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| 17:50.34 | ali1234 | because when i use mplayer -benchmark Nokia_N900.avi i see mplayer 50% CPU, Xorg 32% CPU, and pulseaudio 20% CPU |
| 17:51.24 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: and where is hildon-desktop in that list? |
| 17:51.42 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: xorg cpu usage drops down to ~2% if you stop hildondesktop |
| 17:51.49 | ali1234 | the overhead of compositing shows under xorg cpu usage |
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| 17:54.16 | MohammadAG | ali1234, which version of mplayer are YOU using |
| 17:54.26 | ali1234 | i'm using the one from extras (command line) |
| 17:54.29 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: mplayer -fs/ |
| 17:54.33 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 17:54.50 | pupnik_ | 45, 31, 9 |
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| 17:56.35 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.44 | MohammadAG | so again, wrong |
| 17:56.59 | ali1234 | -benchmark does not affect the framerate, i stil have idle time in both cases |
| 17:57.09 | ali1234 | so, neither the CPU nor the graphics are loaded by this test |
| 17:57.10 | pupnik_ | wonder why your PA is twice as high as mine running that mplayer -benchmark |
| 17:57.44 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.57 | SpeedEvil | Ok - hildon-desktop dead. |
| 17:57.58 | MohammadAG | assuming I'm not an idiot, 17.1 < 17.2 |
| 17:58.06 | SpeedEvil | X is still using the same amount of CPU in either case. |
| 17:58.22 | ali1234 | ah -nosound too |
| 17:58.25 | MohammadAG | third time proven wrong |
| 17:58.28 | TomaszD | holy crap, the next iphone is going to have a 960x640 screen |
| 17:58.34 | MohammadAG | what does nosound have to do with X! |
| 17:58.39 | SpeedEvil | nohup mplayer -nosound -benchmark -fs |
| 17:58.52 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it means that it goes as fast as it can decode frames |
| 17:59.17 | odin_ | killing its control process did it, bash is already working again :) it may have hung because I did a restore and forcaweather config files already exit (well that what I am telling myself) |
| 17:59.42 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 17:59.52 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 18:00.00 | MohammadAG | same load with hildon-desktop dead |
| 18:00.18 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.24 | SpeedEvil | to stop it safely |
| 18:00.27 | MohammadAG | I just used dsmetool |
| 18:00.29 | SpeedEvil | without the dog barking |
| 18:00.30 | SpeedEvil | or that |
| 18:00.37 | MohammadAG | My dog's dead |
| 18:00.42 | MohammadAG | I killed it last week |
| 18:01.45 | ali1234 | results: http://pastebin.com/5EsnxGxa |
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| 18:02.27 | MohammadAG | ali1234, how did you stop hd? |
| 18:02.32 | SpeedEvil | That's not exactly a very huge result. |
| 18:02.38 | ali1234 | /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop |
| 18:02.47 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: yes it is smaller than on previous firmwares |
| 18:02.53 | MohammadAG | ali1234, and you restarted mplayer after that? |
| 18:02.57 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: and when running windowed the difference is much bigger |
| 18:03.01 | ali1234 | MohammadAG: yes |
| 18:03.16 | MohammadAG | ali1234, well, those figures look BS, mplayer has the same PID for both jobs |
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| 18:03.29 | MohammadAG | PPIDs* |
| 18:03.36 | ali1234 | no it doesn't |
| 18:03.43 | ali1234 | 1805 vs 1819 |
| 18:03.49 | MohammadAG | PPIDs... |
| 18:04.01 | ali1234 | um so what? |
| 18:04.11 | ali1234 | i ran it from the same shell each time |
| 18:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Also - how are you getting those numbers |
| 18:04.41 | SpeedEvil | they bounce around considerably |
| 18:04.42 | ali1234 | from top |
| 18:04.51 | SpeedEvil | you have to average - you can't do it like that |
| 18:04.53 | ali1234 | this is true |
| 18:05.01 | ali1234 | ok, so what should i do? just time it maybe? |
| 18:05.03 | MohammadAG | I take the mean of ten values |
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| 18:06.05 | ali1234 | this is with and without benchmark output from mplayer: http://pastebin.com/Pfrfdtth |
| 18:06.12 | ali1234 | first is with, second is without |
| 18:06.15 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 18:06.22 | ali1234 | i don't know what it means but it looks like it was almost exactly the same |
| 18:06.30 | MohammadAG | about 21 with hildon-desktop running |
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| 18:07.43 | ali1234 | this should give a speed boost then |
| 18:08.03 | ali1234 | but bare in mind that you're still give ~20% CPU to Xorg even with hildon disabled |
| 18:08.17 | SpeedEvil | 15.87s without hildon-desktop to 18.0 without isn't exactly a huge boost |
| 18:08.34 | SpeedEvil | It's not useless, no. |
| 18:08.42 | ali1234 | where'd you get those nmbers from? |
| 18:09.14 | ali1234 | OK, so whatever they didto fullscreen rendering, it is certainly an improvement over the previous firmware |
| 18:09.15 | SpeedEvil | time mplayer -quiet -nosound -benchmark Babylon\ 5\ -\ 1x06\ Mind\ War |
| 18:09.23 | pupnik_ | it is ali1234 |
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| 18:10.05 | MohammadAG | I would flash to PR1.1.1 to show that it's actually similar, but it's not worth the argument since I know it's true |
| 18:10.28 | MohammadAG | haven't checked PR1.1, but this states it's been there since then <SpeedEvil> ali1234: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43605 - claims that since 1.1 - any fullscreen app bypasses the compositor |
| 18:10.31 | SpeedEvil | Actually - I ran it when hildon was booting |
| 18:10.58 | SpeedEvil | When it's warm - it's 16.1s with hildon, 15.8 without |
| 18:11.44 | ali1234 | now let's do a real test |
| 18:12.58 | pupnik_ | an emu? |
| 18:13.58 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I repeated the test, with an emu (and Rod Hull) - and the results are the same. |
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| 18:15.27 | TomaszD | frals, how are you handling contributing translations to fmms? |
| 18:15.31 | TomaszD | transifex? |
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| 18:15.46 | TomaszD | I can't find your project |
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| 18:17.34 | ali1234 | got to enable extras-* |
| 18:17.38 | SpeedEvil | hmm -vo fbdev is a bit faster than going through X. |
| 18:17.42 | SpeedEvil | It does have issues though. |
| 18:17.44 | SpeedEvil | reboots. |
| 18:17.45 | frals | not at all yet, still not figured out how to dit 'right' yet |
| 18:17.53 | ali1234 | yeah like the X display flickering through at 50hz |
| 18:18.14 | pupnik | what is the screen refresh rate really? |
| 18:18.15 | mintux1 | is it possible to access to yahoo rooms in coneresation or anywhere ? |
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| 18:18.25 | frals | TomaszD: the strings used so far all are shipped with the device, but ill try to get some system up for the remaining strings (ie error messages) |
| 18:18.44 | TomaszD | all shipped? nice |
| 18:19.22 | TomaszD | frals, but packaging translation is also needed (debian/control) |
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| 18:19.36 | frals | yeah |
| 18:19.52 | frals | ill have a look at how others do it unless you have any idea |
| 18:19.59 | frals | either way i have to run now, bbl o/ |
| 18:20.12 | MohammadAG | wishes for a trout message in MMS |
| 18:20.15 | b-man | updates his on-device sdk and gets swamped in packages - didn't upgrade in 3 months lol |
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| 18:20.33 | MohammadAG | b-man, bootstrap didn't work :) |
| 18:20.40 | trumee | double tapping telephone button on BT headset doesnt redial the sip number. anybody aware of the bug report for this? |
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| 18:20.52 | MohammadAG | b-man, I also find ssh + scratchbox + scp to transfer builds quite faster :) |
| 18:21.06 | trumee | it only dials the last mobile number. |
| 18:21.14 | b-man | MohammadAG: i'm guessing you tried building lucid? lol |
| 18:21.21 | mintux1 | how to select text from pdf? swipe is enable for pdf reader too? |
| 18:21.26 | frals | chucks a whale at MohammadAG |
| 18:21.29 | b-man | lucid fails to bootstrap |
| 18:21.29 | MohammadAG | b-man, yeah lol |
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| 18:21.38 | trumee | i will file a bug if no bug report exists. |
| 18:21.40 | b-man | try karmic ;) |
| 18:21.44 | MohammadAG | throws a white whale at frals |
| 18:21.52 | MohammadAG | b-man, does it matter? |
| 18:22.02 | b-man | yes |
| 18:22.06 | trumee | anybody using BT headset? |
| 18:22.19 | b-man | very much so xD |
| 18:22.52 | johnx | hey b-man :D |
| 18:22.56 | LiraNuna | http://www.brighthand.com/assets/13229.jpg |
| 18:22.58 | LiraNuna | hahaha |
| 18:23.06 | LiraNuna | that keyboard looks almost like the N900's |
| 18:23.11 | b-man | MohammadAG: they did some funky things to their arm distro that causes it to fail on the N900 |
| 18:23.22 | b-man | with lucid |
| 18:23.25 | MohammadAG | b-man, actually it doesn't chroot lol |
| 18:23.37 | b-man | i know lol |
| 18:23.38 | LiraNuna | b-man, lucid doesn't run on N900? |
| 18:23.49 | ali1234 | copying playstation iso... |
| 18:24.06 | SwedeMike | still no pipe-character :P |
| 18:24.41 | b-man | LiraNuna: it really should - it's built for OMAP3 - but they did something to vfp |
| 18:24.50 | johnx | shift+<space> is pretty good for pipe |
| 18:24.57 | johnx | usually it's available and doesn't conflict |
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| 18:25.09 | b-man | which causes some stuff to crash randomly |
| 18:25.36 | b-man | (hence the chroot issue) |
| 18:25.43 | GAN900 | LiraNuna, yeah, that was my thought when I saw it. |
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| 18:25.52 | SwedeMike | I'd rather have the | etc than $£EUR |
| 18:26.04 | LiraNuna | ^ |
| 18:26.06 | b-man | it works fine on BeagleBoard and Pandora |
| 18:26.08 | johnx | are you kidding? how would I type variables in sh without a $? |
| 18:26.29 | MohammadAG | HTML5 claims I moved http://i50.tinypic.com/hvvyna.jpg |
| 18:27.18 | b-man | i think it's because they use OMAP3530, not OMAP3430 - which has some differences with vfp |
| 18:28.26 | SwedeMike | johnx: I don't really do shell scripting on my N900, so I'm fine without it... but £EUR could go away anyway. |
| 18:28.42 | trumee | crap it is a WONTFiX, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8299 |
| 18:28.43 | johnx | agreed |
| 18:28.44 | povbot` | Bug 8299: Can't control the VoIP call (skype, sip) from bluetooth accessory (heatdest, etc.) |
| 18:28.44 | b-man | johnx: still planning on getting a pandora? :) |
| 18:28.55 | johnx | I'm happy to type EUR or UKP or whatever |
| 18:29.00 | johnx | b-man, mine shipped :> |
| 18:29.06 | b-man | :D |
| 18:29.11 | b-man | sweet!!! |
| 18:29.18 | luke-jr | b-man: N900 is more than OMAP3 |
| 18:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: ack. but what about just remapping keys? |
| 18:29.34 | b-man | luke-jr: yeah |
| 18:29.59 | johnx | mine shipped before pandorapress.net had the news item they were starting to ship :D might have something to do with ordering as soon as I heard the word on IRC and not waiting for the emailed announcement :> |
| 18:30.12 | MohammadAG | b-man, W: Failure trying to run: chroot /media/mmc1/ubuntu-chroot/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 18:30.20 | trumee | is it possible to open microb pages in the background? |
| 18:30.35 | b-man | MohammadAG: karmic? |
| 18:31.08 | SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: sure, it's not a huge problem, I'm just questioning why a nerd phone like this would have EUR£ on the physical keyboard, but not | |
| 18:31.11 | b-man | is a bit jelous of johnx |
| 18:31.44 | MohammadAG | b-man, no, lucid, but I missed your earlier message xD |
| 18:31.50 | b-man | LOL k |
| 18:32.16 | b-man | I'll probably get a 2nd batch pandora ;) |
| 18:32.19 | johnx | b-man, heh. only had to wait a couple years :) I forgot, did you order in the first batch? |
| 18:32.22 | johnx | ah |
| 18:32.41 | b-man | johnx: i was, but then the N900 came xD |
| 18:32.58 | ali1234 | yep, psx4all now runs faster in fullscreen too |
| 18:33.05 | ali1234 | it's still nowhere near full speed though |
| 18:33.20 | johnx | aaah. the N900 is awesome, but I'm really looking forward to absolutely hacking up my pandora without worrying about missing calls |
| 18:33.37 | trumee | not possible? |
| 18:33.51 | johnx | trumee, I don't know of a way |
| 18:33.59 | johnx | but that doesn't really mean much :) |
| 18:34.12 | Stskeeps | johnx: so, meego or mer on the pandora? ;p |
| 18:34.25 | johnx | debian and windowmaker |
| 18:34.32 | johnx | (at least half serious there) |
| 18:34.38 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 18:34.48 | b-man | johnx: the best part about the pandora is about it being 100% open - no legal issues with firmware/drivers :) |
| 18:35.13 | ali1234 | pulse cpu usage is down too |
| 18:35.17 | johnx | and that it should have a more "normal" init sequence |
| 18:35.20 | ali1234 | only hovering around 10% |
| 18:35.32 | Stskeeps | b-man: except that's bullshit when it comes to 3d drivers.. |
| 18:35.33 | johnx | and that it's not my phone :) |
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| 18:35.38 | b-man | johnx: and that it uses u-boot xDD |
| 18:35.52 | b-man | Stskeeps: very true |
| 18:35.55 | ali1234 | i'm getting 80/10/10 for psx/xorg/pulse |
| 18:36.00 | ali1234 | that's a huge improvement |
| 18:36.36 | b-man | Stskeeps: but i don't thing you can get arount that 100% unless imagination technologys thinks otherwise |
| 18:36.54 | johnx | heh. even my desktop uses closed source video drives (nvidia) |
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| 18:38.22 | b-man | *think |
| 18:38.43 | b-man | lol, damn kb xDD |
| 18:38.57 | johnx | video drives? WTH is that? some kind of holographic storage? |
| 18:40.15 | MohammadAG | <johnx> heh. even my desktop uses closed source video drives (nvidia) |
| 18:40.24 | MohammadAG | my desktop doesn't use drivers xD |
| 18:40.29 | MohammadAG | (uninstalled nouveau) |
| 18:40.55 | johnx | tries to think about how that would work |
| 18:41.22 | b-man | lol |
| 18:41.34 | johnx | sooo, you sit there and flip little switches to deliver perfectly timed electrical pulses to the video chip? |
| 18:41.45 | johnx | I think even in that case it would (de facto) make *you* the driver |
| 18:41.52 | b-man | at the speed of light? :) |
| 18:42.04 | MohammadAG | haha |
| 18:42.07 | LiraNuna | <MohammadAG> my desktop doesn't use drivers xD |
| 18:42.09 | LiraNuna | YAY FRAMEBUFFER |
| 18:42.14 | LiraNuna | ^ hardcore |
| 18:42.15 | b-man | xDDDDD |
| 18:42.15 | pupnik | ali1234: looking better here too |
| 18:42.28 | MohammadAG | <LiraNuna> YAY FRAMEBUFFER <-- indeed |
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| 18:42.42 | MohammadAG | the main reason is because the card is f'd |
| 18:42.50 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 18:42.58 | MohammadAG | it said something like GPU lockup, switching to FBcon |
| 18:42.59 | johnx | fill in the blanks: to display pictures on the framebuffer x.org uses the fbdev ______ :) |
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| 18:43.21 | ali1234 | how do i see the current CPU clock frwquency? |
| 18:43.27 | b-man | well, even framebuffer console needs a driver (fbcon) |
| 18:43.39 | LiraNuna | VESA - Because letting the CPU work extra is a good thing |
| 18:43.40 | MohammadAG | that isn't for the GPU is it |
| 18:44.03 | ali1234 | im sure this should be running faster than it is when using 80% CPU |
| 18:44.55 | pupnik | /proc/cpuinfo indicates it sorrta |
| 18:45.16 | pupnik | 249 bogomips at 250mhz afaik |
| 18:45.25 | ali1234 | 598.90 |
| 18:45.30 | ali1234 | i guess thats full speed |
| 18:46.08 | MohammadAG | well.. ctrl C doesn't work for CHKDSK |
| 18:46.38 | ali1234 | hmm i see a problem.. the settings gui of psx4all doesn't actually affect anything |
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| 18:50.47 | Wizzup | since 1.2 is lost the search ability in the package manager |
| 18:50.52 | Wizzup | I lost* |
| 18:51.21 | nidO | select a catalogue |
| 18:51.24 | nidO | start typing |
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| 18:52.09 | nikki93 | Hello |
| 18:52.46 | Wizzup | ty |
| 18:53.27 | MohammadAG | b-man, W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/mohammad/chroot/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 18:53.27 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.04 | Xenon|XZ | shunt it be mount -t proc none /proc ? |
| 18:56.46 | luke-jr | nah |
| 18:56.50 | luke-jr | 'none' is lame |
| 18:56.55 | ali1234 | ok, so i confirm that hildon no longer eats CPU when doing fast graphics. it seems faster even in windowed mode/compositing enabled |
| 18:57.05 | luke-jr | cd /;mount proc{,,} |
| 18:57.07 | luke-jr | ftw |
| 18:57.09 | Xenon|XZ | none is lame? - fair enough :( |
| 18:57.21 | luke-jr | err |
| 18:57.30 | luke-jr | mount -t {,,/}proc |
| 18:57.33 | luke-jr | :D |
| 18:57.52 | odin_ | so then, who is voting for what country tonight, in the euro-vision ? who do you represent ? |
| 18:57.59 | Xenon|XZ | UK |
| 18:58.18 | odin_ | me UK as well |
| 18:58.26 | Dassu | anobody here using mobilehotspot? |
| 18:58.47 | ali1234 | it's still not enough to get psx emulator even close to playable though |
| 18:58.49 | luke-jr | odin_: wtf? |
| 19:00.37 | odin_ | look like the UK is gonna win then ! |
| 19:01.00 | Xenon|XZ | if they win i will eat my own sh*t |
| 19:01.09 | Xenon|XZ | :) |
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| 19:01.45 | n900-dk | Denmark should win :) |
| 19:03.16 | crashanddie | don't tell me you're watching eurovision |
| 19:03.22 | crashanddie | I want to watch the bloody roland garros |
| 19:03.49 | ShadowJK | us watching the ota upgrade's progress bar on n900... |
| 19:04.29 | crashanddie | scratch that, I'm watching that |
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| 19:04.53 | crashanddie | love VLC |
| 19:05.44 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# uptime |
| 19:05.44 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.29 | budfive | MohammadAG: whoa! |
| 19:06.44 | budfive | MohammadAG: what have you been doing? |
| 19:06.59 | MohammadAG | debootstrap's unpacking packages lol |
| 19:07.06 | Stskeeps | ah, silly people |
| 19:07.13 | Stskeeps | didn't you learn to do it cross yet? :P |
| 19:07.20 | GAN900 | crashanddie, sucker. |
| 19:07.29 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, scratchbox is borked by design to be able to chroot :) |
| 19:07.34 | crashanddie | GAN900: why? |
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| 19:07.56 | ShadowJK | 22:07:13 up 41 days, 22:31, load average: 1.86, 0.70, 0.30 |
| 19:07.56 | GAN900 | crashanddie, because |
| 19:08.00 | ShadowJK | my N810 |
| 19:08.04 | crashanddie | GAN900: that's not enough of a reason |
| 19:08.06 | GAN900 | crashanddie, my buddy bought a Panasonic GH1 |
| 19:08.09 | GAN900 | Insanity |
| 19:08.17 | GAN900 | The HD video looks like film. |
| 19:08.23 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, |
| 19:08.24 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/chroot] > chroot ./ |
| 19:08.24 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/chroot] > fakeroot chroot ./ |
| 19:08.24 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/chroot] > sudo chroot ./ |
| 19:08.26 | MohammadAG | sudo: must be setuid root |
| 19:08.28 | MohammadAG | uhh |
| 19:08.42 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chroot.bin: cannot change root directory to ./: Operation not permitted <-- for the first two |
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| 19:08.56 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no, not that |
| 19:08.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:09.11 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, then what? :) |
| 19:09.48 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: ask me between 7.30 and 13.30 polish time monday-friday :P |
| 19:09.51 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 19:09.58 | Stskeeps | goes back to hacking on his joggler |
| 19:09.58 | wazd | meh, 960 x 640 3.5" is an absolute overkill |
| 19:10.00 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, screw you :) |
| 19:10.18 | crashanddie | GAN900: yeah, GH1 and LX3 are seriously good cameras |
| 19:10.34 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: run it in a qemu instance |
| 19:10.46 | crashanddie | GAN900: I have a TC-80N3 remote control now for the 40D |
| 19:10.46 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, bah, I hate that crap :P |
| 19:11.22 | LiraNuna | why do I need both maemo.org account AND forum account? |
| 19:11.38 | Stskeeps | cos someone has taken ass long time to get SSO working |
| 19:12.01 | ali1234 | you don't *need* a forum account |
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| 19:13.56 | LiraNuna | ali1234, yes I do, it asked me to register and told me my garage username/pass is invalid |
| 19:14.09 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: that, or look into how rootstock works |
| 19:14.17 | crashanddie | LiraNuna: no, he meant you don't need to be on the forum |
| 19:14.28 | LiraNuna | why? |
| 19:14.38 | LiraNuna | I just wanted to thank someone |
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| 19:14.48 | crashanddie | see, you "want", not "need" |
| 19:15.12 | LiraNuna | oh, so we're getting *that* picky are we |
| 19:15.21 | ali1234 | i think they should allow anonymous thanks |
| 19:15.43 | crashanddie | ali1234: queue every post with 2000000000+ thanks in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1 |
| 19:15.47 | lcuk | i think anonymous posting should be acceptable too |
| 19:15.49 | ali1234 | so? |
| 19:16.24 | johnx | crashanddie, worried about inflation in the thanks-oconomy |
| 19:16.26 | johnx | ? |
| 19:16.26 | lcuk | but the moderation and thread viewing tools arent upto sniff |
| 19:16.42 | ali1234 | i wouldn;t go as far as anon posting |
| 19:16.43 | lcuk | snuff even |
| 19:16.56 | MohammadAG | lcuk, actually they can be done, but the mods would have to start approving a lot of threads |
| 19:16.57 | ali1234 | but the whole point of thanks button is so people don't have to reply with a one word post |
| 19:17.00 | crashanddie | LMAO, someone just got on stage at Eurovision, and security took him down |
| 19:17.14 | lcuk | MohammadAG, sure, hence my comment |
| 19:17.30 | jaska | crashanddie: considering how bad most of the participants that should happen more often, being taken out by security :) |
| 19:17.37 | MohammadAG | lcuk, just restating what was said ~ Captain Obvious |
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| 19:18.35 | crashanddie | jaska: haha |
| 19:18.53 | SpeedEvil | What's omap-previewer? |
| 19:18.55 | ShadowJK | uh... |
| 19:19.10 | ShadowJK | did OTA upgrade throw themes on emmc |
| 19:19.20 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:19.27 | ShadowJK | because the sim prompt is themeless and fontless.. |
| 19:19.32 | SpeedEvil | a |
| 19:19.39 | lcuk | sim? |
| 19:19.53 | ShadowJK | pin code |
| 19:20.00 | LiraNuna | some themes are broken |
| 19:20.03 | LiraNuna | like Carbon |
| 19:20.14 | LiraNuna | there's a lot of junk on some parts of it |
| 19:20.19 | ShadowJK | I had digital nature |
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| 19:20.58 | crashanddie | ok, anyone got eurosport or something |
| 19:21.08 | Xenon|XZ | i have |
| 19:21.26 | crashanddie | the local channel just stopped showing the match between henin and some russian chick, Sharapova |
| 19:21.39 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 19:21.46 | ShadowJK | everything is broken :( |
| 19:21.57 | crashanddie | last I saw, it was 6-2 3-6 |
| 19:22.02 | lcuk | ShadowJK, did you just reflash? |
| 19:22.24 | ShadowJK | no |
| 19:22.26 | ShadowJK | ssu |
| 19:22.30 | lcuk | just? |
| 19:22.38 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 19:22.58 | ShadowJK | now it crashed and died |
| 19:23.01 | ShadowJK | and reset |
| 19:23.18 | crashanddie | hmm... the ibm website says "play suspended" |
| 19:23.28 | lcuk | the pin dialog is up whilst you locked during update? |
| 19:23.32 | lcuk | or the update had completed |
| 19:23.38 | lcuk | and had rebooted afterwards |
| 19:23.49 | ShadowJK | it completed afaik |
| 19:24.05 | ShadowJK | rebooted, progress bar at reboot, then normal boot |
| 19:24.33 | SpeedEvil | likes tennis. |
| 19:24.41 | SpeedEvil | I don't really pay attention to the scores though. |
| 19:25.17 | crashanddie | man, that's how bad the coverage is |
| 19:25.24 | ShadowJK | sighs. |
| 19:25.24 | crashanddie | I had to check twitter to find out what happened |
| 19:25.26 | crashanddie | "Sharapova v Henin tied at 1-set all (1st set Henin 6-2, 2nd set Sharapova 6-3) when play halted due to bad light. #frenchopen" |
| 19:26.12 | lcuk | ShadowJK, what happens when it gets to desktop |
| 19:26.16 | lcuk | is the theme totally dead |
| 19:26.22 | lcuk | or cant you even get to desktop |
| 19:26.26 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 19:26.43 | ShadowJK | there's a purple rectangle instead of task switcher |
| 19:26.47 | ShadowJK | no icons |
| 19:26.52 | ShadowJK | no fonts |
| 19:26.57 | ShadowJK | default gtk theme |
| 19:27.02 | SpeedEvil | IIRC a couple of people hitting that |
| 19:27.10 | SpeedEvil | one last night |
| 19:27.26 | lcuk | bah |
| 19:27.30 | ShadowJK | it's popping up dialogs and wanting me to answer stuff but I dont know the question |
| 19:27.38 | ShadowJK | and don't know what the buttons are |
| 19:28.09 | ShadowJK | if I touch stuff it crashes.. |
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| 19:29.40 | lcuk | ShadowJK, looks like you will have to reflash :( |
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| 19:34.17 | ensi | hello anyone know whats the deal with MSN on N900? the port is defaulted to 0 after setting to 1863 the login still doesnt happen but the signing in dialog closes immediately. |
| 19:36.36 | crashanddie | ensi: I don't believe MSN is supported out-of-the-box, so you may want to contact the maintainer for that application you're talking about. |
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| 19:37.20 | ensi | crashanddie: i have the telepathy plugin installed |
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| 19:39.09 | crashanddie | jaska: serbia deserved to get their asses kicked in the war considering what they've sent to eurovision |
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| 19:39.23 | Stskeeps | ow |
| 19:39.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:39.29 | DaReaper | hi |
| 19:39.41 | DaReaper | im on my n900 |
| 19:39.48 | DaReaper | using xchat |
| 19:39.54 | jaska | well, im skipping eurovision till the year 22000 or so, doubt .fi will win for a few millennia after lordi :) |
| 19:40.22 | ensi | n900 is so buggy :/ |
| 19:40.31 | DaReaper | it is ? |
| 19:40.37 | ensi | yes |
| 19:40.43 | DaReaper | what kind of bugs |
| 19:41.02 | GAN900 | lol |
| 19:41.14 | GAN900 | Depends heavily on you usecas |
| 19:41.15 | GAN900 | e |
| 19:41.20 | ensi | wlan dropping stuff jams up |
| 19:41.34 | ensi | bad usability in a lot of cases |
| 19:41.46 | DaReaper | i dont face wlan problems |
| 19:41.59 | Stskeeps | i have some odd PSM problems atm |
| 19:41.59 | ensi | good for you |
| 19:42.23 | ensi | my n900 drops wlan every so often |
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| 19:42.46 | DaReaper | if you mess with system files a lot |
| 19:42.53 | GAN900 | ensi, weird router? |
| 19:42.59 | lcuk | ensi, its not good you feel that, if these are long term problems for you, have you checked the bug lists (and if capable potentially reproduce/diagnose/even repair) them because we are mostly a community distribution with many components on your machine coming direct from oss |
| 19:43.01 | ensi | GAN900: no |
| 19:43.23 | GAN900 | lcuk, minus networking. :) |
| 19:43.53 | ensi | lcuk: nokia outsourced the testing to users? |
| 19:43.53 | tom_ilsinszki | hi all |
| 19:44.20 | DaReaper | hi |
| 19:44.36 | lcuk | ensi, can any entity test every combination of the entire system? |
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| 19:45.22 | lcuk | bugs happen, but without people doing something about them (minus moaning) the developers dont know theres a problem |
| 19:45.22 | ensi | lcuk: do i care? for something i pay 500⬠i expect it to work |
| 19:45.58 | crashanddie | ensi: please be helpful, this is a community channel,and we're not here to take any heat on Nokia's part |
| 19:46.08 | lcuk | so have you been onto nokia care about your issue? |
| 19:46.12 | brendans | ensi, I think it's more a matter of how early features are released; Nokia wanted to make a developer friendly device, and it does/did have a lot of features before other similar devices. The cost is sometimes stability |
| 19:46.31 | DaReaper | anyways |
| 19:46.41 | ShadowJK | my n900 drops wlan about twice a year at this rate :D |
| 19:46.43 | johnx | ensi, did you come here to complain or to get help troubleshooting? |
| 19:46.55 | johnx | (honest question) |
| 19:47.00 | DaReaper | is it possible to manage your SIM |
| 19:47.04 | crashanddie | waves at johnx |
| 19:47.14 | jaska | mine hasnt dropped wlan yet, and seems to work with the old wrt-54gl + tomato ok |
| 19:47.21 | jaska | so it stays psm most of the time |
| 19:47.33 | Dima202 | I tried doing ping yahoo.com and playing a stream using 3g but it still stops playing after a few minutes of idel |
| 19:47.34 | johnx | allo crashanddie :) |
| 19:47.48 | ensi | yeah true its not the maemo communitys fault per se that the end product is rubbish |
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| 19:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | (<lcuk> i think anonymous posting should be acceptable too) And I think deleting post/threads should be enabled for all registered users |
| 19:48.38 | johnx | ensi, by and large we're in the same boat as you. there have been cases of even normal routers interacting poorly with the N900s wifi power savings mode |
| 19:48.46 | johnx | and there are workarounds/ways to test |
| 19:49.08 | johnx | and if you can reproduce the test case with a certain router, it's possible Nokia can code around it for the next release |
| 19:49.10 | DaReaper | is it possible to manage your SIM like we can on the N97 , there is no option on n900 to manage the SIM |
| 19:49.14 | SpeedEvil | However - that's simply due to the fact that some routers are broken with powersave. |
| 19:49.16 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ill defend your anonymous right to say what you like. i will gladly give you a threshhold however because you should not be forced to read them |
| 19:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: at very least get a 'blame' button in addition to the 'thanks' |
| 19:49.20 | crashanddie | DaReaper: NO |
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| 19:49.31 | SpeedEvil | My laptop is broken the same way with one of my routers |
| 19:49.33 | crashanddie | DaReaper: explain the features you want, we don't know the N97 |
| 19:49.54 | lcuk | look @ slashdot, everyone can comment but the default reading of articles only shows the upvoted items |
| 19:50.16 | lcuk | a user has to change settings to see/read all comments |
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| 19:50.47 | ensi | btw is the maemo communit going to transition to a lego community now? |
| 19:50.58 | b-man | one of the very reasons i don't post on talk.maemo.org anymore is because of the overflow of complaint posts/threads and little effort in improving the whole issue - too many people are relying on noka than doing it their sefl, lol |
| 19:51.02 | DaReaper | crashanddie : like the ability to get information from you network provider like news , weather etc |
| 19:51.06 | lcuk | ensi, :D |
| 19:51.29 | crashanddie | DaReaper: as far as I'm aware, no |
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| 19:51.41 | b-man | *self |
| 19:51.58 | DaReaper | will this be available in future releases |
| 19:52.07 | lcuk | DaReaper, does the net provider send this information? |
| 19:52.15 | lcuk | first ive heard about it |
| 19:52.22 | jaska | could be wap stuff |
| 19:52.26 | DaReaper | yes it does as an sms |
| 19:52.26 | crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, it's quite popular |
| 19:52.35 | lcuk | well thats data not just stored on the sim? |
| 19:52.40 | GAN900 | lcuk, no, but Nokia, unfortunately, doesn't manage to provide enough to test a reasonable minimum. |
| 19:52.51 | lcuk | ahh right, if its an sms does it come in list? |
| 19:53.02 | ShadowJK | it's software on the SIM probably |
| 19:53.06 | lcuk | GAN900, ? |
| 19:53.07 | GAN900 | lcuk, PR1.2, like nearly every Maemo update before it, is regression city. |
| 19:53.09 | ShadowJK | and N900 doesn't run that |
| 19:53.44 | DaReaper | and also all gprs and access point information is sent by them that way |
| 19:53.46 | lcuk | well GAN900 give list of regressions, i only know of 1 to date (please give MB#) |
| 19:54.19 | lcuk | ShadowJK, ? the sim has a cpu |
| 19:54.31 | b-man|n900 | lol |
| 19:54.32 | ShadowJK | My N900 is able to receive configuration data from my operator... but the correct option is to reject it anyway, as my operator's system sends incorrect configs trying to sabotage me :) |
| 19:55.07 | ShadowJK | lcuk, there's software stored on it atleast, and I the phone is supposed to execute it inside a virtual machine or something |
| 19:55.08 | DaReaper | well i need to receive info from my oper5or |
| 19:55.23 | GAN900 | lcuk, two of my latest are. |
| 19:55.37 | GAN900 | lcuk, I have others that I haven't gotten around to filing yet. |
| 19:55.38 | lcuk | no good without numbers gan you know that |
| 19:56.38 | johnx | "This bug is uselss without #s" is the new "This thread is useless without pics" :) (see also: "bug #s or it's not reproducible") |
| 19:56.47 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:56.48 | DaReaper | how will i receive the access point configurations now from my network provider ? |
| 19:56.48 | ensi | i wish i could run another terminal... |
| 19:56.59 | ShadowJK | do I have to flash both rootfs and emmc.. |
| 19:57.09 | crashanddie | DaReaper: how do you request the information if it comes through an SMS? |
| 19:57.13 | johnx | ensi, menu -> new terminal |
| 19:57.15 | lcuk | ensi, ?on the terminal menu open a new one |
| 19:57.17 | GAN900 | lcuk, have been filed. |
| 19:57.28 | GAN900 | lcuk, and sp3000 has already looked at it. |
| 19:57.37 | GAN900 | lcuk, please don't accuse me of laziness. |
| 19:57.45 | ensi | johnx: omg heh thanks! |
| 19:57.50 | Stskeeps | headdesks |
| 19:57.55 | b-man|n900 | LOL |
| 19:58.26 | crashanddie | ensi: also shift + arrow + x |
| 19:58.37 | lcuk | im not GAN900 |
| 19:58.56 | DaReaper | well there is an option when i was using my n73 to get info from my network provider , they send us sms.s as a setting to save and restart the phone and then the access points get saved |
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| 19:59.17 | lcuk | GAN900, do you know of any typing speed tests you could run on n900 - i am interested to see how fast you actually burn through messages |
| 19:59.35 | lcuk | you have girl thumbs :P |
| 19:59.47 | GAN900 | lcuk, 60 wpm or so on the Flash one I tried a few weeks ago. |
| 19:59.57 | johnx | ensi, for the wifi dropping, go into settings -> internet connections -> connections -> <your wifi network> -> Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next -> Advanced -> Other -> Power saving: On (intermediate) || Off -> Save -> Finish |
| 19:59.57 | lcuk | heh cool |
| 20:00.02 | GAN900 | lcuk, pianist's fingers. :) |
| 20:00.06 | johnx | I'd try Off first IIWU |
| 20:00.16 | crashanddie | GAN900: http://www.calculatorcat.com/typing_test/ |
| 20:00.17 | lcuk | GAN900, thats a reasonable analogy :) |
| 20:00.34 | GAN900 | lcuk, the rest of them are slightly less consistently reproducible. |
| 20:00.50 | bennypr0fane | Has anyone encountered this before? I did this: apt-get remove libqt4-phonon to free up rootspace (it was recommended here: http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#Not_Enough_Free_Space, of course I tried all the other things first), but something went wrong there: now my N900 won't boot. It seems to be stuck in a loop, it only gets to the dialog for entering the PIN and then it keeps starting again and again. Hope this can |
| 20:00.50 | bennypr0fane | somehow? :-( |
| 20:01.00 | DaReaper | crashanddie did u read my above meaaage ? |
| 20:01.05 | lcuk | sure, copying prewritten tests isnt the same |
| 20:02.02 | GAN900 | Like the weird SGX/HD bug I encountered after I first flashed where the dashboard got stuck halfway between each transition. |
| 20:02.02 | crashanddie | DaReaper: I did |
| 20:02.02 | DaReaper | oh |
| 20:02.02 | lcuk | perhaps a live WPM meter for your normal x11 input would be cool |
| 20:02.03 | DaReaper | so did you get an idea of what i was saying ? |
| 20:02.03 | johnx | bennypr0fane, do you have a linux box to hook the N900 into? |
| 20:02.03 | ensi | i think the reason why msn is not working has something to do with the configuration errors |
| 20:02.04 | johnx | try turning off lifequard reset and see if you can get in far enough to reinstall the package |
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| 20:02.05 | Stskeeps | GAN900: do you see any logic in me doing good for n8x0's using meego, and not making sure the posts and forum stuff is done in the right place, ie, in meego? |
| 20:02.07 | crashanddie | DaReaper: I do, however this is not supported by the N900 as said before. There is no word on whether such features will be supported in the future. |
| 20:02.14 | frals | GAN900: i had that too with SGX reseting on each touchscreen click after flash |
| 20:02.28 | DaReaper | oh okay ty anyways |
| 20:02.32 | Stskeeps | GAN900: instead of being ass backwards and posting it on talk, where it literally disappears |
| 20:02.38 | bennypr0fane | johnx no, win xp |
| 20:03.00 | johnx | bennypr0fane, actually, there's a CLI flasher for WinXP as well now that I think of it |
| 20:03.16 | bennypr0fane | what is a cli flasher? |
| 20:03.44 | crashanddie | DaReaper: this being said, provided enough user demand for it, this may be a feature pushed forward, or some community member may pick up the task (however, considering it's manipulating the SIM, this may be difficult as that part isn't open source). Please check the brainstorm and bugtracker to find some information regarding it |
| 20:03.45 | johnx | it's a "CommandLine Interface" version of the firmware updater, but it can change other settings |
| 20:04.17 | johnx | You can use it to disable a feature that causes the N900 to automatically reboot if a core program dies |
| 20:04.19 | lcuk | GAN900, frals hmmmf |
| 20:04.23 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: More than that. The SIM is connected to a completely different CPU, running a closed-source signed blob. |
| 20:04.26 | bennypr0fane | johnx i already downloaded Maemo flasher 3.5 |
| 20:04.36 | frals | GAN900: not been able to reproduce after rebooting though |
| 20:04.42 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: So if it does not support it, your only option is to convince the devs of that module to supply a patch |
| 20:04.48 | johnx | right, you should use flasher 3.5 with the no lifeguard reset option |
| 20:04.53 | johnx | look through the help for the program |
| 20:04.54 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: so highly unlikely |
| 20:05.01 | trip0 | anyone having video playback issues? |
| 20:05.04 | frals | btw, after a 'real' reboot dmesg counterthing resets doesnt it? |
| 20:05.18 | bennypr0fane | johnx just not sure how to use it. help contains a few terms i'm not familiar with |
| 20:05.19 | crashanddie | what the hell is happening tonight, is it a n900 support sprint? |
| 20:05.34 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: eurovision and n900 support sprint in one |
| 20:05.34 | frals | because after ota update to pr1.2 dmesg counter/timestamp thingy was still way high for a fresh boot |
| 20:05.35 | lcuk | has been all week crashanddie :) |
| 20:05.43 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: serbia is obviously a iphone user ;p |
| 20:05.51 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: turkey is a total muse ripoff |
| 20:05.52 | lcuk | lots of people examining parts of the system they dont normally |
| 20:06.03 | DaReaper | okay crashanddie ill check it over there |
| 20:06.07 | frals | rofl Stskeeps |
| 20:06.10 | johnx | bennypr0fane, one sec, I'll find you a reference |
| 20:06.10 | bennypr0fane | crashhanddie is this channel not where to do that? |
| 20:06.13 | DaReaper | thanks for the support |
| 20:06.17 | crashanddie | DaReaper: np |
| 20:06.33 | jaska | i put my nose everywhere on the system, but i used to do embedded linux for a living so its not unexpected |
| 20:06.40 | frals | swedish commentators called turkeys band "the turkish linkin park" |
| 20:06.54 | Noma | more like turkish system of a down |
| 20:07.04 | nikki93 | I'm considering selling my iPhone 'cuz it ain't fun enough. |
| 20:07.10 | nikki93 | What's the best thing to get? |
| 20:07.16 | nikki93 | 'droid or n900? |
| 20:07.28 | nikki93 | (cost doesn't matter) |
| 20:07.34 | johnx | nikki93, do you like hacking around in linux? |
| 20:07.39 | nikki93 | johnx: I <3 it. |
| 20:07.43 | johnx | N900 |
| 20:07.50 | nikki93 | Okay. |
| 20:07.54 | pupnik | easy |
| 20:08.07 | nikki93 | johnx: I've heard bad things about n900 touchscreen though. Is it taht bad? |
| 20:08.25 | johnx | it's different than the capacitive screens |
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| 20:08.28 | johnx | requires a bit firmer push |
| 20:08.33 | nikki93 | Yeah. |
| 20:08.36 | johnx | but it's just about the best resistive screen I've ever used |
| 20:08.37 | nikki93 | How's it with a stylus? |
| 20:08.41 | johnx | fine |
| 20:08.41 | nikki93 | Good to hear. |
| 20:08.42 | bennypr0fane | still not reaaly a push tho |
| 20:08.46 | johnx | it's also fine with a finger nail |
| 20:08.50 | crashanddie | but it allows using your nails, fingers, pens, stylus |
| 20:08.59 | bennypr0fane | it's still defintiely "touch" |
| 20:09.04 | pupnik | i tap everything with fingernail now and have become very accurate |
| 20:09.05 | lcuk | i believe some people can use it with other body parts too |
| 20:09.11 | brendans | not to mention, you can put it in a protective cover (e.g. for using in the rain) |
| 20:09.13 | nikki93 | lcuk: lawl |
| 20:09.22 | nikki93 | brendans: Aha nice idea. |
| 20:09.25 | johnx | bennypr0fane, http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode |
| 20:09.31 | nikki93 | Hmm, so name some ultrageekykewl stuff to do with N900. |
| 20:09.36 | crashanddie | lcuk: we know your penis is as fine as a stylus, but please, keep the channel PG |
| 20:09.38 | johnx | bennypr0fane, flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 20:09.42 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, sounds reasonable. |
| 20:09.43 | brendans | yeah, we use it to time jogs |
| 20:09.49 | brendans | ziplock FTW |
| 20:09.49 | johnx | I think that's your best shot unless someone has a better idea |
| 20:09.52 | nikki93 | crashanddie: Dude, he never mentioned it. you brought it up first. |
| 20:09.53 | GAN900 | is at work. |
| 20:09.53 | lcuk | crashanddie, i meant ears actually |
| 20:10.04 | GAN900 | So excuse the long ping times. ;) |
| 20:10.22 | nikki93 | Lets say you were stuck in a room for a month. |
| 20:10.22 | crashanddie | nikki93: actually, for his sake I hope he didn't bring anything "up" |
| 20:10.23 | lcuk | has anyone modded a bottle opener onto n900 yet |
| 20:10.25 | nikki93 | With n900 with infinite battery. |
| 20:10.28 | nikki93 | And lotsa food. |
| 20:10.30 | nikki93 | What would you do? |
| 20:10.36 | nikki93 | (wifi is available) |
| 20:10.40 | pupnik | i like to share my 3g connection over the easyHotSpot app |
| 20:10.54 | flux | nikki93, is the battery charged? |
| 20:10.56 | crashanddie | nikki93: google maps and put clues as to where I am |
| 20:11.01 | nikki93 | flux: Yep. :D |
| 20:11.07 | crashanddie | nikki93: "cold" "cold" "cold" "warmer" |
| 20:11.10 | lcuk | n900 buffy edition should be released - replace the stylus with a wooden stake |
| 20:11.13 | johnx | nikki93, I've been thinking about tapping into dbus for a whole bunch of stuff, but I keep putting it off |
| 20:11.15 | flux | nikki93, well, I'd solve the world energy problems and make buttloads of money while doing it! |
| 20:11.16 | frals | lcuk: cant you just use the bezel? ;D |
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| 20:11.28 | lcuk | frals im just trying now with the back cover |
| 20:11.42 | brendans | nikki93: Probably continue per usual; I do most things on my N900 anyway |
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| 20:11.54 | flux | actually, I wonder if it mattered if there was actually such a battery.. because you cannot draw infinite wattage from it without it breaking down |
| 20:12.01 | bennypr0fane | johnx could you give me just the command to enter into the flasher? do i leave the N900 power off? |
| 20:12.08 | johnx | honestly, most of the hacks you could do on the N900 can be done on a droid, but the N900 has a more comfortable Linux environment, I beleive |
| 20:12.24 | lcuk | flux, is your last name capacitor? |
| 20:12.27 | nikki93 | Is it possible to get a normal gnome ui running if you wanna |
| 20:12.55 | johnx | bennypr0fane, I did. and just follow whatever normal instructions you'd use for flashing the N900, except instead of flashing an image do the no-lifeguard-reset thing |
| 20:13.04 | johnx | search up in your scrollback for the exact line |
| 20:13.08 | ensi | so you guys have any idea about this problem |
| 20:13.08 | ZogG | MohammadAG, |
| 20:13.08 | lcuk | is it just me or have there been less on device OS ports since the n900? |
| 20:13.12 | ensi | http://pastebin.com/MMrHS6gT |
| 20:13.24 | johnx | nikki93, people are playing around chrooting into "normal" linux distros |
| 20:13.37 | lcuk | is it because of the rootfs/emmc layout? |
| 20:13.43 | johnx | dunno if anyone has put much effort into getting something "normal" booting on the N900 |
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| 20:13.57 | lcuk | or just because years of 770/8x0 gained the experience necessary |
| 20:14.09 | lcuk | small fragments over time etc |
| 20:14.26 | bennypr0fane | johnx thanks. but doesn't the n900 have to be on in order to do it? |
| 20:14.26 | lcuk | ie: has anyone managed to get fremantle booting from mmc? |
| 20:14.27 | johnx | lcuk, well, if the N900 is your phone, it gives you more incentive to actually having it in a state where it can accept calls :) |
| 20:14.44 | crashanddie | johnx: calls, from whom? |
| 20:14.47 | lcuk | sure johnx thats potentially something |
| 20:15.07 | crashanddie | johnx: you're not seriously saying that GSM thingy you speak of will take off one day? |
| 20:15.09 | johnx | bennypr0fane, basically, you start the flasher running, turn the N900 off, then hold u and plug it into usb |
| 20:15.18 | lcuk | Stskeeps, did you try fremantle on mmc or mer |
| 20:15.19 | lcuk | i know meego does |
| 20:15.25 | DaReaper | is the N900 safe from viruses ? |
| 20:15.27 | Stskeeps | lcuk: some people did |
| 20:15.39 | *** part/#maemo budfive (~opera@cpe-75-82-219-32.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 20:15.40 | brendans | nikki93, there's a project in the standard "extras" repository that lets you install a chroot of Debian in the MyDocs space |
| 20:15.41 | johnx | DaReaper, which viruses? |
| 20:15.42 | lcuk | some people being? any blogs posts sources we can track down |
| 20:15.45 | lcuk | for guidelines |
| 20:16.03 | DaReaper | well any kind of malware seen on the internet |
| 20:16.05 | johnx | DaReaper, two questions there: 1) is it safe from any virus out there now? 2) Is it safe from all future viruses automatically? |
| 20:16.07 | lcuk | DaReaper, it runs linux on a different cpu arch |
| 20:16.07 | DaReaper | or rootkits |
| 20:16.08 | brendans | nikki93, i.e. full Debian Linux running in parallel on the same system |
| 20:16.12 | johnx | 1) yes 2) no |
| 20:16.16 | lcuk | until viruses start specifically targeting it |
| 20:16.22 | crashanddie | babe alert, ukraine chick Stskeeps |
| 20:16.49 | DaReaper | hmmm ok so there r no viruses yet that can target the phone |
| 20:16.55 | MohammadAG | ZogG, ? |
| 20:16.59 | crashanddie | not yet, anyhoo |
| 20:17.08 | brendans | plus, technically it's probably slower on baseutils updates than a desktop distro |
| 20:17.11 | DaReaper | but still malwares are poaaible to target |
| 20:17.13 | lcuk | DaReaper, we did have an outbreak of thehonour virus after someone left it on their sig |
| 20:17.14 | nikki93 | n900 has a dedicated gfx chip right |
| 20:17.16 | ZogG | MohammadAG where have you got all those games? |
| 20:17.18 | brendans | so old exploits are probably still live |
| 20:17.24 | lcuk | took us months to clear it off |
| 20:17.32 | ZogG | MohammadAG, btw can you share with me paradise city? |
| 20:17.36 | crashanddie | brendans: baseutils? |
| 20:17.43 | crashanddie | brendans: or do you mean busybox? |
| 20:17.47 | DaReaper | oh was the virus fixed |
| 20:17.56 | lcuk | no it lies dormant |
| 20:18.17 | *** join/#maemo FIQ (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 20:18.23 | lcuk | ill find a link, make sure your virus checker is enabled |
| 20:18.26 | brendans | crashanddie: well, I said baseutils, but I suppose I just mean the common GNU/Linux components... I misspoke |
| 20:18.27 | lcuk | it can pass via irc |
| 20:18.32 | *** join/#maemo inz (inz@maemo-hackers.org) |
| 20:18.35 | lcuk | Please delete all the files on your hard disk, |
| 20:18.36 | lcuk | then forward this message to everyone you know. |
| 20:18.36 | lcuk | Thank you for your cooperation. |
| 20:18.52 | pupnik | send to iPad owner |
| 20:19.15 | midas_ | ZogG: gnr version, slash vs fergie or axl rose version? :) |
| 20:19.27 | brendans | crashanddie: Still, things like X are going to tend to lag behind the desktop versions, since it takes so long to push things through to the tablets |
| 20:19.29 | ZogG | midas_ say what |
| 20:19.33 | bennypr0fane | ok, I got the n900 plugged into the usb powered off, Flasher runnning. Now i'll enter this command into the flasher: --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset Is that it? |
| 20:19.42 | brendans | crashanddie: and other misc system services, etc. |
| 20:19.42 | midas_ | paradise city ;) |
| 20:19.48 | ZogG | midas_ burnout? |
| 20:19.49 | johnx | bennypr0fane, looks good |
| 20:20.05 | midas_ | old song? |
| 20:20.12 | johnx | bennypr0fane, sorry, usb *unplugged* n900 off, run flasher, plug n900 in |
| 20:20.16 | johnx | flasher will wait for the N900 |
| 20:20.22 | midas_ | you know, axl rose, guns n roses? |
| 20:20.25 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, only problem is that you're going to start pulling THAT crowd to meego.com. :P |
| 20:20.41 | crashanddie | brendans: I'm pretty sure that critical fixes can be backported and pushed through quickly. |
| 20:22.10 | DaReaper | has nokia worked to design an anti virus ? just incase |
| 20:22.17 | brendans | crashanddie: fair enough, I guess I'm just thinking in general terms as a response to the vulnerability question |
| 20:22.54 | johnx | DaReaper, nope |
| 20:23.13 | bennypr0fane | is the flasher supposed to react when i plug in? it's not doing anything |
| 20:23.14 | DaReaper | well they better do |
| 20:23.25 | johnx | DaReaper, Are you going to create a virus? |
| 20:23.31 | Dima202 | Hey fellas, I'm trying to stream some music via mplayer I get AO OSS audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file of directory |
| 20:23.33 | DaReaper | lol no |
| 20:23.40 | crashanddie | DaReaper: why would Nokia do such a thing? |
| 20:23.53 | johnx | DaReaper, so, how do you think an anti-virus program works typically? |
| 20:23.55 | DaReaper | i am worried of internet malwares |
| 20:24.00 | pupnik | no oss Dima202 |
| 20:24.04 | b-man|n900 | DaReaper: don't worrie - maemo isn't that popular yet ;P |
| 20:24.06 | Dima202 | And I keep getting Write ERROR: Broken Pipe |
| 20:24.11 | crashanddie | DaReaper: there are anti viral solutions for Linux, it would just be a matter of porting it |
| 20:24.26 | DaReaper | oh okay |
| 20:24.29 | johnx | Dima202, try with pulse output? |
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| 20:24.53 | johnx | crashanddie, and all those do right now is scan for files infected with windows viruses :) |
| 20:24.56 | brendans | DaReaper: As it stands though, it's not even the same architecture as most desktops; it'd have to be a virus written for phones or wireless routers, etc. |
| 20:25.19 | johnx | (though a large number of linux routers are MIPS, not ARM) |
| 20:25.27 | brendans | (true) |
| 20:25.36 | DaReaper | hmmm okay so maemo is still untouched |
| 20:25.43 | bennypr0fane | flasher says the command wasn't found |
| 20:25.47 | DaReaper | for now |
| 20:25.55 | b-man|n900 | and there has been few viruses for linux in general thus far |
| 20:26.00 | brendans | That doesn't mean it couldn't be done, but virus writers these days are typically worried about making money, and it's not a very big market |
| 20:26.07 | johnx | bennypr0fane, pastebin an exact copy of what you typed and the output |
| 20:26.24 | brendans | Not like the bad old days of the '90s when people would open an attachment and have their motherboard voltage adjusted |
| 20:26.30 | b-man|n900 | but that may change in the future if linux gets as mainstream as linux |
| 20:26.46 | b-man|n900 | *windows |
| 20:26.49 | b-man|n900 | LOL |
| 20:26.56 | b-man|n900 | needs coffee |
| 20:27.09 | johnx | hands b-man some (coldish) coffee |
| 20:27.24 | pupnik | with creamed trout on top |
| 20:27.30 | bennypr0fane | how do i pastebin? |
| 20:27.35 | Dima202 | I see that mplayer is generally slow for most stuff on n900 :( default media player does a better job |
| 20:27.42 | johnx | pastebin.com (or pastebin.ca) |
| 20:27.46 | johnx | then drop the link here |
| 20:27.51 | bennypr0fane | bennypr0fane never uses commandlines... |
| 20:28.02 | Dima202 | is it just me? |
| 20:28.22 | johnx | Dima202, mplayer could be better optimized for ARM |
| 20:28.27 | johnx | the default Nokia player is |
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| 20:29.56 | bennypr0fane | sorry, i have no idea how to use this. |
| 20:30.19 | bennypr0fane | i typed exactly the command you gave, double-checked it |
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| 20:30.48 | johnx | since you're on windows, make sure you have a .exe on the end of flasher |
| 20:31.30 | johnx | it might need to say flasher-3.5.exe --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
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| 20:32.09 | GAN900 | needs to remember to remember to do mwkn tomorrow. |
| 20:32.19 | Stskeeps | needs to remember to ban talk.maemo.org from his weekends |
| 20:32.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 20:33.40 | pupnik | all these mysterious quiet .fi chatters... |
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| 20:34.01 | spectre- | hi! |
| 20:34.11 | johnx | hallo spectre- |
| 20:34.22 | spectre- | <in rwanda |
| 20:34.33 | spectre- | xchattin on mah n900 |
| 20:34.39 | spectre- | :D |
| 20:35.07 | brendans | beagleboard channel is like a ghost town... |
| 20:35.22 | jaska | pupnik: sshhh! |
| 20:36.59 | bennypr0fane | jonhx it's not working |
| 20:37.22 | pupnik | spectre, that is an unusual location. working for cellphone co? |
| 20:37.28 | johnx | bennypr0fane, I can't tell what's happening unless you give me more of a clue than that... |
| 20:37.45 | midas_ | so. anyone got videocalling working with skype? |
| 20:38.03 | johnx | midas_, yeah. works good here |
| 20:38.17 | midas_ | i cant get it to work :P |
| 20:38.23 | johnx | ok |
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| 20:41.41 | midas_ | ill just reflash it with the emmc |
| 20:41.57 | midas_ | so it's completely clean |
| 20:42.14 | johnx | I did that and the person I was testing with (rm_you) had done the OTA upgrade |
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| 20:42.28 | midas_ | i couldnt update ota |
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| 20:42.45 | LiraNuna | anyone else gets reversed application list on application manager? |
| 20:42.48 | midas_ | too many unsupported software :p |
| 20:43.19 | LiraNuna | when I show 'all', the list starts with a z |
| 20:43.30 | bennypr0fane | johnx http://www.4shared.com/photo/gbhTrwlG/scrnshot_flasher_3-5.html |
| 20:43.33 | midas_ | you might want to change the sorting |
| 20:43.38 | LiraNuna | I can't |
| 20:43.51 | LiraNuna | there's no such option anymore |
| 20:44.02 | bennypr0fane | i also tried with .exe, same result |
| 20:44.08 | johnx | bennypr0fane, ah. thank you. that makes more sense. |
| 20:44.21 | spectre- | jesus |
| 20:44.26 | spectre- | internet here is worse than uganda |
| 20:44.34 | pupnik | LiraNuna: i use catorise and have no probs with sort |
| 20:44.43 | LiraNuna | application manager |
| 20:44.45 | johnx | bennypr0fane, type exactly this: |
| 20:44.46 | johnx | flasher-3.5.exe --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 20:44.47 | LiraNuna | i.e add/remoe |
| 20:45.22 | pupnik | congrats on your connection spectre- |
| 20:45.54 | lcuk | LiraNuna, o_O |
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| 20:46.44 | LiraNuna | when I go to Download -> All |
| 20:46.52 | LiraNuna | I get the list from Z to A |
| 20:46.53 | spectre- | thx |
| 20:47.59 | bennypr0fane | johnx http://www.4shared.com/photo/UyiiCgYI/scrnshot_2_flasher_3-5.html see any typos? |
| 20:48.09 | bennypr0fane | still nothing... |
| 20:48.20 | johnx | need a space |
| 20:49.31 | bennypr0fane | argh, overlooked that |
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| 20:51.14 | bennypr0fane | it says "suitable usb device not found, waiting" |
| 20:51.51 | johnx | now plug in the usb |
| 20:51.57 | johnx | while holding u |
| 20:52.08 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane good now make sure the device is powered off then hold u and plug in the usb |
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| 20:53.37 | bennypr0fane | done. windows says errror while installing new hardware |
| 20:53.55 | MohammadAG | 64 bit? |
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| 20:53.59 | bennypr0fane | no, 32 |
| 20:54.45 | Macer | a tabbed term would be nice |
| 20:55.59 | ShadowJK | there's enough wasted vertical space already :) |
| 20:56.46 | johnx | tabs on the right (or left) |
| 20:57.07 | ShadowJK | or in the menu |
| 20:57.08 | johnx | actually, would be cool to switch tabs by moving your finger in from the left or right |
| 20:57.50 | bennypr0fane | I'm stumped. now what? |
| 20:58.03 | johnx | me too. I don't know how to use windows :/ |
| 20:58.08 | thunderfest | I agree gesture based terminal tabbing would be an improvement |
| 20:58.36 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane: yeah I'm a linux user as well |
| 20:58.39 | brendans | LiraNuna, I'm looking at some of the hildon-application-manager options, and there's a program called hildon-application-manager-config that allows you to dump the configuration information to terminal |
| 20:58.56 | johnx | mmmm...or just make the "swipe in from the left send a ctrl-a ctrl-space |
| 20:59.05 | brendans | LiraNuna, might be worth taking a look... there are some sort options in the XML that I haven't had a good look at yet |
| 20:59.33 | LiraNuna | it gives an XML |
| 20:59.50 | ZogG | so is nokia sdk qt is only for c++ devs or i can use pyqt? |
| 20:59.57 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane: you could download and burn a linux live cd and then use it to flash...I |
| 20:59.57 | LiraNuna | nothing related to sorting, brendans |
| 21:00.09 | bennypr0fane | windows always said that when i plug in the n900 - everything used to work normally though. it's recognized as mass storage |
| 21:00.12 | LiraNuna | brendans, there's sort-weight, but I don't know what it means (it's a number) |
| 21:00.13 | thunderfest | I'll walk you through it if you want |
| 21:00.26 | bennypr0fane | i have a linux live cd |
| 21:00.33 | bennypr0fane | Puppy i think |
| 21:00.35 | thunderfest | which one |
| 21:00.37 | johnx | bennypr0fane, well, in this case the N900 isn't acting like a mass-storage device, so windows treats it differently |
| 21:00.42 | brendans | LiraNuna, yeah, I think it may be that it controls the sorting in the update screen (i.e. if you tap the orange exclamation mark) |
| 21:00.44 | bennypr0fane | or ubuntu |
| 21:00.54 | brendans | LiraNuna, so that SSU is on the top, for example |
| 21:01.12 | bennypr0fane | i wouldn't know how to get back here on Linuy though |
| 21:01.19 | lcuk | frals, yes she was singing about a big arse |
| 21:01.20 | LiraNuna | how do I take a screenshot? |
| 21:01.24 | thunderfest | yeah slap in that ubuntu cd and we'll get you reflashed in time |
| 21:01.28 | frals | lcuk: :D |
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| 21:01.36 | lcuk | i wasnt listening at the time |
| 21:01.50 | jophish | just had to reflash my n900. things suck at the moment. |
| 21:01.54 | thunderfest | xchat is a nice and easy to use linux irc client |
| 21:02.01 | jophish | reliving the nightmare before bash and catorise |
| 21:02.09 | jophish | and hundreds of other tweaks |
| 21:02.27 | johnx | so once you boot ubuntu, use the ubuntu software center thing to install xchat, get back here and we'll run you through the rest |
| 21:02.38 | lcuk | frals, voting for Armenia |
| 21:02.58 | lcuk | she has the best chest in the competition |
| 21:03.00 | LiraNuna | how do I take a screenshot? |
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| 21:03.18 | johnx | LiraNuna, on the N900? |
| 21:03.35 | LiraNuna | yes |
| 21:03.48 | bennypr0fane | xchat? will it let me install anything when i'm running ubuntu from a cd? |
| 21:03.56 | johnx | LiraNuna, first google result for maemo screenshot: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35730 |
| 21:03.57 | LiraNuna | I know there's a shortcut, but I don't know it |
| 21:04.07 | frals | lcuk: lol |
| 21:04.12 | LiraNuna | I tried ctrl+shift+P already |
| 21:04.17 | frals | lcuk: germany was best imo |
| 21:04.26 | frals | anyways afk now, gnight all :) |
| 21:04.26 | lcuk | germany was best song |
| 21:04.36 | johnx | LiraNuna, and you looked in the images/screenshots dir afterwards? |
| 21:04.41 | LiraNuna | yeah nothing |
| 21:04.51 | johnx | then you're SOL I guess |
| 21:05.07 | LiraNuna | :| |
| 21:05.14 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane yes you will be able to install programs while running the live cd |
| 21:05.42 | LiraNuna | oh, it's .images |
| 21:05.42 | johnx | LiraNuna, order matters. has to be shift then ctrl then p |
| 21:05.53 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.57 | pupnik | works here |
| 21:06.12 | LiraNuna | it's dot images, not images |
| 21:06.19 | bennypr0fane | ok, thanks a lot you guys, see back here in few |
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| 21:06.38 | pupnik | cheers |
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| 21:08.44 | LiraNuna | my app manager's "All" -> http://liranuna.com/junk/zsort.png |
| 21:08.59 | LiraNuna | and there's no config for sorting, either -> http://liranuna.com/junk/zsort-no-option.png |
| 21:09.16 | johnx | keen. when did it start doing that? |
| 21:09.31 | LiraNuna | after PR1.2 OTA |
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| 21:10.51 | brendans | I've been trying to look through the ham source, to see if there's a gconf setting or something, LiraNuna |
| 21:11.02 | LiraNuna | does anyone else get the same thing? |
| 21:11.05 | brendans | http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline/trees/HEAD/src |
| 21:11.12 | brendans | no, but I reflashed |
| 21:11.31 | LiraNuna | how does it look for you? |
| 21:11.36 | LiraNuna | I'm also missing version on the side |
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| 21:14.02 | LiraNuna | does anyone else experience it? |
| 21:15.09 | LiraNuna | I know there has been updates to the app manager, and everyone said it's better now - but for me it looks worse |
| 21:15.09 | lcuk | LiraNuna, have you rebooted since you saw this effect? |
| 21:15.18 | LiraNuna | lcuk, yes, many times |
| 21:15.25 | lcuk | thats rly bizarre |
| 21:15.25 | LiraNuna | in fact, let me reboot once more |
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| 21:15.50 | LiraNuna | can anyone screenshot their app manager? |
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| 21:17.10 | brendans | LiraNuna, mine's identical except for theme and sorting differences (and the catalogues, of course) |
| 21:17.18 | brendans | same elements, placement, etc. |
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| 21:17.39 | brendans | I think that would be controlled by http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline/blobs/HEAD/src/package-info-cell-renderer.c |
| 21:18.34 | LiraNuna | so they removed version on the right side? |
| 21:18.46 | LiraNuna | I remember a version displayed on the right side |
| 21:20.04 | lcuk | LiraNuna, disable all your repositories and refresh and reenable them? |
| 21:20.09 | lcuk | do other lists also come up wrong? |
| 21:20.12 | LiraNuna | let's try |
| 21:20.19 | LiraNuna | lcuk, yes |
| 21:20.25 | lcuk | ahh.. |
| 21:21.04 | MohammadAG | Laptop HDD has a bad sector :( |
| 21:21.09 | johnx | LiraNuna, http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1oofpv&s=6 |
| 21:22.15 | LiraNuna | this is what I see in the ened |
| 21:22.17 | LiraNuna | but reversed |
| 21:24.10 | LiraNuna | lcuk, tried that, no go |
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| 21:24.12 | LiraNuna | same output |
| 21:24.18 | LiraNuna | afk for a while |
| 21:24.22 | lcuk | so outside of HAM you get inverted lists? |
| 21:24.27 | lcuk | ahh |
| 21:25.00 | TheFaioli | OT: In johnx's link, what's the widget making up the list? |
| 21:25.33 | pupnik | i would install catorise |
| 21:26.37 | brendans | if anyone else is looking at the source, I'm trying to find make_install_apps_package_list... seems like that's what's actually rendering the list that's been reversed |
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| 21:27.34 | TheFaioli | ah.... |
| 21:28.05 | TheFaioli | something tells me I should be looking in package-info-cell-renderer.c ... duh. |
| 21:28.26 | lcuk | lol TheFaioli was just about to say that :p |
| 21:29.57 | mc_teo | anyone watching the eurovision |
| 21:30.10 | mc_teo | ireland ftw |
| 21:30.12 | jophish | application manager needs to be able to install things many at a time |
| 21:30.54 | johnx | yeah. it also needs a command line interface. and that interface should be called apt-get. and it should get ported to debian. |
| 21:30.59 | thunderfest | yeah bulk installing is the feature I would most like to see in the next revision of the app manager |
| 21:31.32 | brendans | I've been working on the same path, TheFaioli... I think eventually you're going to find yourself at util.cc, looking at "make_global_package_list" |
| 21:31.45 | brendans | My best guess is that it's something to do with the new live search functionailty |
| 21:32.07 | TheFaioli | Hmmm... yeah... |
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| 21:32.46 | mc_teo | does microb have an refresh shortcut |
| 21:33.59 | brendans | LiraNuna, if you're around, what happens if you do a live search in the application list? Is it still sorted in reverse? |
| 21:35.19 | jophish | Where are the sms records kept? |
| 21:37.10 | cure` | uh, was the way to search for apps in the application manager changed from 1.1 to 1.2? |
| 21:38.16 | lcuk | yes just enter a category (or all) and start typing |
| 21:39.01 | thunderfest | is there a way to search by description and name? |
| 21:39.09 | lcuk | search is on name and description |
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| 21:39.45 | lcuk | typing "ren" brings back results including: xplanet:planetary body renderere |
| 21:40.26 | thunderfest | word...well last night I was trying to install MGutenberg and I typed in ebook but got no results |
| 21:40.30 | cutiyar | maemo support Nokia n73? |
| 21:41.07 | pupnik | no |
| 21:41.14 | cure` | ah ok, thx lcuk |
| 21:41.39 | cure` | would be cool if that "start to type" approach to search was used in more apps |
| 21:41.47 | pupnik | or less |
| 21:42.33 | johnx | jophish, did you find them yet? |
| 21:44.23 | johnx | maybe /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
| 21:44.27 | johnx | which is a sqlite3 db |
| 21:46.10 | jophish | johnx, I hadn't looked actually ;) |
| 21:46.20 | jophish | if they are easy to graft into a new flash, then great |
| 21:46.25 | jophish | otherwise no bother |
| 21:46.37 | johnx | just use the backup tool, then the restore tool :) |
| 21:46.59 | johnx | only reason to go poking around in the .db is if you wanted to ... go poking around in the db :) |
| 21:47.01 | lcuk | cure`, most gtk lists support it around the os now |
| 21:47.29 | johnx | my favorite typeahead find implementation is in omweather though |
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| 21:58.56 | bennypr0fane_ | johnx, thunderfest u still here? |
| 21:59.29 | johnx | yup |
| 21:59.38 | bennypr0fane_ | oh great |
| 21:59.58 | bennypr0fane_ | took me a while, ubuntu seems to dislike my pc |
| 22:00.35 | bennypr0fane_ | so i guess i'll need to download the linux flasher? |
| 22:01.05 | johnx | yup |
| 22:01.32 | johnx | get the ubuntu package here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php |
| 22:01.39 | bennypr0fane_ | i'm on ubuntu 8.04 now, 9.10 didn't start the gui.... |
| 22:01.57 | bennypr0fane_ | will this work? |
| 22:02.26 | johnx | one sec |
| 22:02.31 | johnx | gave you the wrong download link |
| 22:02.35 | thunderfest | I'm here |
| 22:03.20 | johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 22:03.26 | johnx | that's the right download link |
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| 22:06.51 | bennypr0fane_ | debian based or not debian based? |
| 22:07.15 | johnx | debian based |
| 22:07.27 | johnx | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
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| 22:10.24 | Xenon|XZ | does the enhanced kernel actually make a diff on battery life? |
| 22:10.27 | bennypr0fane_ | i installed the flasher, but now i don't know how to start it |
| 22:10.45 | thunderfest | its command line only |
| 22:11.19 | bennypr0fane_ | oh, so terminal? |
| 22:11.35 | Xenon|XZ | sorry kernel-power-settings aswel obviously |
| 22:11.58 | thunderfest | yeah click applications->accessories->terminal |
| 22:12.16 | johnx | sudo flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 22:13.49 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: no, I had beer instead. What do you mean mc.desktop? Is it possible to open multiple mc instances? |
| 22:13.54 | thunderfest | johnx what do those flags do? |
| 22:13.56 | nikki93 | What's 'meego'? |
| 22:14.17 | johnx | thunderfest, he's stuck in a reboot loop. this should prevent the watchdog from rebooting the device |
| 22:14.23 | jophish | Is there a way to disable the camera app starting when opening the lens cover |
| 22:14.31 | thunderfest | ah |
| 22:14.36 | jophish | I use the lens cover more to start the flashlight |
| 22:14.48 | johnx | it might let him get far enough into the desktop to backup his stuff, or if he's lucky far enough to replace the package he removed that caused this |
| 22:15.05 | SpeedEvil | I plan on trying to split off the LEDs into their own LED driver |
| 22:15.15 | SpeedEvil | And having the camera driver use this. |
| 22:15.32 | SpeedEvil | With the aid of this, and two drilled holes, you won't need to open up. |
| 22:15.50 | thunderfest | nikki93: meego is another mobile OS made through a partnership between nokia and intel....it will be on the n920 (and other new devices ) instead of maemo |
| 22:15.56 | jaska | wont that accelerate dust gathering on lens? |
| 22:16.03 | jaska | unless you put something transparent there |
| 22:16.08 | nikki93 | thunderfest: It any good? |
| 22:16.20 | thunderfest | its not really out yet |
| 22:16.28 | johnx | jaska, a clear piece of scotch tape should prevent that |
| 22:16.39 | nikki93 | thunderfest: But gimme an opinion. |
| 22:17.08 | TheFaioli | I thought the Meego 1.0 was released for N900? |
| 22:17.16 | thunderfest | idk I have not used it at all |
| 22:18.00 | TheFaioli | nikki93: v1.0 probably has it's share of issues. I'd wait for youtube vids to surface. |
| 22:18.25 | thunderfest | I thought the meego 1.0 release was just a developer release and just barely get you to a terminal |
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| 22:19.50 | brendans | my understanding is that the meego mobile device UI hasn't been created yet, just the netbook version |
| 22:20.04 | brendans | but the n900 is a devel device for the mobile UI |
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| 22:22.38 | thunderfest | yeah thats right I think...but the mobile UI is going to be designed for capacitance based multi-touch screens not the single touch resistive screen of the n900 so when the mobile version of meego does official come out there will no official support for the n900 ...even though that is what they are testing on right now |
| 22:23.56 | thunderfest | but it should be fairly easy to port applications between meego and maemo |
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| 22:27.26 | tybollt | Stskeeps: will meego guarantee the same UI in every device type or can UI differ wildly depending on type of device? |
| 22:29.25 | thunderfest | rumors have said both I'm not sure anyone is sure about that right now |
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| 22:31.48 | MohammadAG | bah, I have to actually change gparted's source to add a damn parameter |
| 22:33.14 | bennypr0fane_ | so sorry, but could I have that command again? ubuntu crashed when i plugged in the n900 the first time, i had to reboot and reinstall.... |
| 22:33.24 | MohammadAG | which command? |
| 22:33.34 | MohammadAG | <johnx> sudo flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset <-- this one? |
| 22:33.37 | Proteous | sudo make me sammich |
| 22:33.44 | Proteous | I was close |
| 22:33.47 | bennypr0fane_ | yes, thanks |
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| 22:35.08 | MohammadAG | wow, didn't think this would actually work |
| 22:35.22 | bennypr0fane_ | what? |
| 22:35.35 | Proteous | peeing on his toes to kill the atheletes foot |
| 22:35.55 | Proteous | man, I am in a strange mood |
| 22:36.01 | Proteous | I think I need more coffee |
| 22:36.06 | MohammadAG | indeed, I suggest /part :P |
| 22:36.12 | Proteous | :P |
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| 22:37.09 | bennypr0fane_ | it's doing something! flasher recognized the device! |
| 22:37.52 | bennypr0fane_ | it's telling me the fw-version |
| 22:38.11 | bennypr0fane_ | now how do i get the new one on there? |
| 22:38.47 | MohammadAG | first of all, why did you go into R&D mode? |
| 22:39.08 | thunderfest | he's stuck in a reboot loop |
| 22:39.28 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, I actually gave you the command to to try and get it to boot. you might want to just unplug it, and see if it starts up |
| 22:39.38 | bennypr0fane_ | ok |
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| 22:39.52 | MohammadAG | oh, that makes sense then |
| 22:39.58 | MohammadAG | I thought you wanted to reflash |
| 22:40.16 | bennypr0fane_ | in fact, i do |
| 22:40.29 | bennypr0fane_ | after i get it back up and running |
| 22:40.35 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 22:40.40 | thunderfest | is getting some more coffee brb |
| 22:40.48 | bennypr0fane_ | i downloaded pr 1.2 |
| 22:40.55 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, do you have stuff you need to backup before you reflash? |
| 22:41.14 | bennypr0fane_ | hey thunderfest, how do you make your coffee? |
| 22:41.27 | bennypr0fane_ | johnx i made 2 backups |
| 22:41.43 | johnx | ah, well you didn't need that r&d mode stuff I guess :) |
| 22:41.49 | bennypr0fane_ | one on n900 and one on the pc with nokia pc suite |
| 22:42.01 | bennypr0fane_ | my phone is back! |
| 22:42.24 | bennypr0fane_ | yay! |
| 22:42.40 | MohammadAG | wonders why the SW watchdog was rebooting it |
| 22:43.03 | johnx | he removed libqt4-phonon |
| 22:43.16 | bennypr0fane_ | SW watchdog? |
| 22:43.27 | thunderfest | in a coffee pot |
| 22:43.34 | MohammadAG | the one you just killed with that command |
| 22:44.12 | thunderfest | yeah if you already made you backups you can just reflash |
| 22:44.44 | bennypr0fane_ | i removed liqt4-phonon, that went wrong, I tried to reboot, got caught in a loop |
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| 22:45.01 | thunderfest | sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R |
| 22:45.28 | bennypr0fane_ | with an italian espresso can, with filters, or with a tabs machine? |
| 22:45.38 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, are you on 1.1 right now or 1.2? |
| 22:45.45 | bennypr0fane_ | 1.1 |
| 22:45.55 | johnx | you need to flash the emmc as well then |
| 22:46.03 | johnx | go download both |
| 22:46.19 | bennypr0fane_ | done |
| 22:46.37 | thunderfest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:47.21 | bennypr0fane_ | i have: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:47.47 | bennypr0fane_ | these the right files? |
| 22:47.52 | MohammadAG | You only NEED to flash the 2nd one |
| 22:48.00 | MohammadAG | the 1st one will clear the eMMC |
| 22:48.12 | MohammadAG | (32GB eMMC) |
| 22:48.24 | johnx | MohammadAG, even going 1.1 to 1.2? |
| 22:48.35 | thunderfest | yeah you only need to do the second one |
| 22:48.36 | bennypr0fane_ | oops, i don't want that i guess |
| 22:48.38 | MohammadAG | johnsq, no need to reflash the eMMC |
| 22:48.53 | odin_ | flash "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" first without the -R to reboot |
| 22:48.53 | johnx | I stand corrected :) |
| 22:48.58 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 22:49.03 | MohammadAG | odin_, why... |
| 22:49.18 | MohammadAG | the -R isn't needed when reflashing the eMMC, which he doesn't want |
| 22:49.22 | MohammadAG | to do |
| 22:49.24 | MohammadAG | damn enter key |
| 22:49.52 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane listen to what MohammadAG is saying |
| 22:49.56 | odin_ | ok I misunderstood, if you are not doing EMMC as well you can use -R to reboot (or just unplug when you know its done) |
| 22:50.07 | bennypr0fane_ | if i do that, everything's gone right? pictures, documents.... |
| 22:50.13 | MohammadAG | no |
| 22:50.19 | MohammadAG | if you reflash the eMMC yes |
| 22:50.29 | bennypr0fane_ | i mean, if i reflas the eMMC |
| 22:50.43 | MohammadAG | bennypr0fane_, yes, the whole 32GB flash will be erased |
| 22:50.56 | bennypr0fane_ | no, defintiely don't want that. |
| 22:50.57 | MohammadAG | which has MyDocs (Nokia N900 in File Manager), /opt, and swap |
| 22:51.14 | MohammadAG | then the command I typed should be enough |
| 22:51.16 | MohammadAG | oh wait |
| 22:51.28 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f --disable-rd-mode -R |
| 22:53.21 | MohammadAG | you shouldn't stay in RD mode |
| 22:53.22 | bennypr0fane_ | so this means: undo what i did first, than flash, than reboot? |
| 22:53.22 | thunderfest | if you use this command --> flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f --disable-rd-mode -R it should just reflash the firmware and leave your files alone |
| 22:53.22 | bennypr0fane_ | ok |
| 22:53.22 | MohammadAG | bennypr0fane_, nope, just run the command and reboot the device when it says device not found |
| 22:53.23 | MohammadAG | (hold down the power button with the USB cable connected) |
| 22:53.23 | bennypr0fane_ | but how does flasher find the image? |
| 22:53.23 | MohammadAG | Windows? |
| 22:53.23 | thunderfest | no hes on an ubuntu live cd |
| 22:53.26 | MohammadAG | oh, cool |
| 22:53.27 | bennypr0fane_ | 8.04 |
| 22:53.36 | MohammadAG | copy the image into /home/ubuntu |
| 22:53.39 | MohammadAG | then run the command |
| 22:54.03 | MohammadAG | worst OS install in my life, Ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, from 12 PM till 1 AM |
| 22:54.14 | MohammadAG | (I should blame CHKDSK for 7 of those hours) |
| 22:54.48 | thunderfest | the image file needs to be in the directory where your terminal is at .... by default the terminal starts in /home/ubuntu |
| 22:54.57 | SpeedEvil | could be worse |
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| 22:55.29 | MohammadAG | well, Windows still boots up |
| 22:55.38 | MohammadAG | that means I didn't f up gparted by editing the source |
| 22:56.24 | thunderfest | you can check if it is there with the command "ls" (list) and you can change directories with the command "cd" (change directory) |
| 22:56.56 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 22:57.09 | MohammadAG | now if only someone explained those basic commands to me three years ago... |
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| 22:57.56 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:58.18 | thunderfest | so if the firmware image is on your desktop you can get to it in the terminal by typing cd ~/Desktop |
| 22:58.41 | thunderfest | then typing ls you should see it listed |
| 22:58.42 | MohammadAG | Linux is case sensitive, as everything should be |
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| 22:58.50 | thunderfest | then your flasher can see it |
| 22:58.51 | MohammadAG | took me a day to find that on my own three years ago |
| 22:59.11 | bennypr0fane_ | i moved the image to home/ubuntu |
| 22:59.12 | MohammadAG | wohoo |
| 22:59.17 | MohammadAG | Windows boots up |
| 22:59.24 | MohammadAG | and... Ubuntu doesn't (GRR) |
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| 22:59.56 | bennypr0fane_ | is there a way to copy and paste commands into the terminal? |
| 23:00.05 | MohammadAG | ctrl c to copy from here |
| 23:00.06 | johnx | edit -> paste |
| 23:00.11 | MohammadAG | ctrl+shift+v to paste |
| 23:00.25 | bennypr0fane_ | ah, it's the shift i was missing! |
| 23:00.25 | thunderfest | or shift + Insert |
| 23:01.10 | MohammadAG | bennypr0fane_, it's cause CTRL ^C has a function on its own |
| 23:01.36 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't do it while reflashing (I did it once but it was after I actually flashed the bootloader part) |
| 23:02.02 | bennypr0fane_ | do i need the n900 power off or on for flashing? |
| 23:02.20 | thunderfest | yeah do not hit CTRL + anything while it is reflashing |
| 23:02.26 | MohammadAG | with the USB cable connected power down |
| 23:02.35 | johnx | MohammadAG, it took me months to get my isa pnp modem and isa pnp soundcard to work at the same time in linux. looking back I was somewhat masochistic ... |
| 23:02.35 | MohammadAG | it should power on and kick into flashing mode on its own |
| 23:02.47 | MohammadAG | yay gdm doesn't start |
| 23:03.14 | MohammadAG | Right now I'm not sure if it's my GFX card that's f'd up or Ubuntu |
| 23:03.39 | thunderfest | MohammadAG: did your windows install overwrite your master boot record and not grub is not loading. .is that why you cannot get ubuntu to boot? |
| 23:04.07 | thunderfest | oh your getting past grub |
| 23:04.08 | MohammadAG | thunderfest, Ubuntu 'boots', but X crashes |
| 23:04.15 | MohammadAG | going into failsafeX |
| 23:04.23 | thunderfest | ah what kind of card do you have |
| 23:04.41 | MohammadAG | Intel |
| 23:04.43 | thunderfest | video card that is |
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| 23:04.54 | MohammadAG | 852/855 chipset I think |
| 23:05.11 | thunderfest | hrm those are usually fairly well supported |
| 23:05.26 | MohammadAG | out with the new, in with the old I guess |
| 23:05.31 | MohammadAG | removes nouveau |
| 23:06.05 | thunderfest | can you get to a terminal and check the contents of the /etc/X11 directory? |
| 23:06.21 | MohammadAG | got into failsafeX and gdm started |
| 23:06.27 | MohammadAG | removing nouveau |
| 23:06.30 | MohammadAG | removed |
| 23:06.31 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 23:06.44 | MohammadAG | wasn't the whole xorg.conf thing dumped in Ubuntu 10.04? |
| 23:06.59 | johnx | it's used if present |
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| 23:07.23 | johnx | a lot of times, the easiest fix is to move it out of the way |
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| 23:07.34 | bennypr0fane_ | it's saying usb device not found again |
| 23:07.44 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 23:07.49 | MohammadAG | pop out the battery |
| 23:07.51 | MohammadAG | connect the cable |
| 23:07.55 | MohammadAG | keep the command running |
| 23:08.01 | MohammadAG | then insert the battery |
| 23:08.19 | bennypr0fane_ | do i need to push u while plugging it in? |
| 23:08.35 | MohammadAG | if you remove the battery no |
| 23:09.06 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane you could just unplug it make sure it is powered all the way down and try holding down u and pluging it back in before you try removing hte battery |
| 23:09.36 | MohammadAG | or that, but 10.04 broke that too :) |
| 23:09.54 | bennypr0fane_ | there's a an application called f-spot launching itself whenever i plug in |
| 23:10.10 | MohammadAG | are you sure you're holding u? |
| 23:10.20 | MohammadAG | f-spot only launches if a Mass Storage device is connected |
| 23:10.25 | thunderfest | ubuntu thinks it a camera then |
| 23:10.27 | MohammadAG | particularly one with photos |
| 23:10.56 | thunderfest | if you powered it down while connected it might not of shut all the way off |
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| 23:11.12 | bennypr0fane_ | it makes a lot of u's in the terminal or chat, am i doing it wrong? |
| 23:11.22 | MohammadAG | u on the N900, not the PC |
| 23:11.29 | bennypr0fane_ | oh |
| 23:11.41 | Shapeshifter | I just filed a bug for "my location" in the status area for IM. it doesn't update after a while. anyone got this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10415 |
| 23:11.41 | povbot` | Bug 10415: "My location" in chat status hangs and doesn't get updated |
| 23:11.43 | thunderfest | so unplug it start it all the up and then all the way down again unpluged .. then hold down the u key and plug it back in |
| 23:12.02 | bennypr0fane_ | hold the button with the phone switched off? that's weird... |
| 23:12.14 | thunderfest | while the terminal is saying waiting for device or whaterver it says |
| 23:12.15 | Shapeshifter | And does someone know how I can restart the messaging thing? |
| 23:12.40 | thunderfest | yeah hold down u with the device off and plug it in |
| 23:12.49 | bennypr0fane_ | ok |
| 23:13.59 | brendans | MohammadAG, what did you upgrade from? |
| 23:14.15 | MohammadAG | brendans, 9.10 |
| 23:14.26 | brendans | A few versions ago there were changes to the way that non-standard resolutions were handled, and I remember that the 8xx series was handled differently from the 9xx series |
| 23:14.29 | brendans | ah, probably not that then |
| 23:15.08 | brendans | (i.e. 915resolution) |
| 23:15.19 | MohammadAG | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0143' for reading: Stale NFS file handle |
| 23:15.19 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.35 | brendans | ... :| |
| 23:15.43 | MohammadAG | rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0143': Stale NFS file handle |
| 23:16.04 | brendans | is your /var on a remote server? |
| 23:16.24 | thunderfest | NFS is network file system |
| 23:16.34 | bennypr0fane_ | it says error claiming usb device, operation not permitted |
| 23:16.47 | MohammadAG | no, to both questions |
| 23:16.47 | bennypr0fane_ | already said so the first time.... |
| 23:16.50 | MohammadAG | bennypr0fane_, sudo... |
| 23:17.10 | MohammadAG | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f --disable-rd-mode -R |
| 23:17.17 | bennypr0fane_ | oh |
| 23:18.07 | brendans | MohammadAG, not sure what's wrong on your system... is this on the system, or a live CD? |
| 23:18.13 | MohammadAG | chroot |
| 23:18.26 | thunderfest | adding sudo tells your command to run with a higher set of permissions (root) |
| 23:18.41 | johnx | MohammadAG, check dmesg | tail |
| 23:18.49 | brendans | I feel like unionfs has some NFS mechanics in it in the newer versions... could be related to the union on a ubuntu live cd's / |
| 23:19.02 | MohammadAG | but this is a chroot |
| 23:19.13 | MohammadAG | fsck'ing it |
| 23:19.15 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk1p1: recovering journal |
| 23:19.20 | brendans | ah |
| 23:19.59 | brendans | oh, shoot, I thought this was a desktop system; I must have missed the beginning |
| 23:20.22 | MohammadAG | nope, I'm working on two systems |
| 23:20.26 | MohammadAG | 3 actually :P |
| 23:20.48 | thunderfest | bennypr0fane how is it going? |
| 23:21.12 | zash | Does the xmpp-muc client do anything about history control? |
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| 23:21.26 | zash | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-managehistory |
| 23:21.49 | MohammadAG | what's vesa? |
| 23:22.13 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: aka VGA |
| 23:22.17 | thunderfest | the standard linux video driver |
| 23:22.21 | brendans | standard software driver |
| 23:22.22 | luke-jr | actually, I think Vesa was a step up from VGA |
| 23:22.32 | brendans | i.e. no hardware acceleration |
| 23:22.58 | MohammadAG | it works using that in xorg.conf |
| 23:23.06 | MohammadAG | any ideas what the intel driver is called? |
| 23:23.06 | luke-jr | yeah, VGA is 640x480 and VESA is 800x600 |
| 23:23.19 | MohammadAG | running @ 1024x768 here |
| 23:23.22 | brendans | "intel" I believe |
| 23:23.44 | luke-jr | Wikipedia says they've issued numerous standards since the original 800x600 |
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| 23:24.02 | johnx | VGA is a video mode, VESA incorporates a ton of video standards |
| 23:24.06 | luke-jr | someone needs to standardize OpenVG and OpenGL acceleration ;) |
| 23:24.16 | Ceriand|desktop1 | Hi all, I just upgraded my n900 and the Converstions app doesn't save the history any more? |
| 23:24.18 | MohammadAG | and what's MESA? (I remember helping someone compile it) |
| 23:24.20 | Ceriand|desktop1 | any ideas? |
| 23:24.27 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: Mesa is basically OpenGL for Linux |
| 23:24.35 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 23:24.42 | MohammadAG | Ceriand|desktop, there's a thread about it on tmo |
| 23:24.45 | luke-jr | including bits of hw accel for various cards |
| 23:24.50 | Ceriand|desktop | MohammadAG: link? |
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| 23:24.53 | MohammadAG | you'll need to delete the new file I think |
| 23:24.57 | MohammadAG | Ceriand|desktop, search :P |
| 23:25.05 | brendans | my wife just yelled, "The dishwasher is leaking!" |
| 23:25.07 | brendans | brb |
| 23:25.08 | MohammadAG | sec I'll see if Firefox's awesome bar has it |
| 23:25.08 | Ceriand|desktop | MohammadAG: already tried |
| 23:25.18 | Ceriand|desktop | didn't find anything relevant |
| 23:25.50 | MohammadAG | Ceriand|desktop, you didn't try hard enough http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=678939&postcount=14 |
| 23:25.55 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 23:26.13 | Ceriand|desktop | MohammadAG: thx :) |
| 23:26.21 | MohammadAG | np :) |
| 23:26.50 | MohammadAG | I think my lappy needs some repairs |
| 23:26.57 | MohammadAG | it keeps dropping wifi for 2 seconds |
| 23:27.06 | MohammadAG | doesn't cause anything major, but I hate it when the LED blinks |
| 23:28.41 | Macer | heh |
| 23:28.59 | Macer | i want true su8w bt keyboard support |
| 23:29.03 | Macer | :( |
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| 23:30.29 | brendans | back(ish) |
| 23:31.23 | johnx | brendans, dishwasher fail? |
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| 23:31.55 | brendans | I think there was dish soap on something, not sure... lots of foam |
| 23:32.27 | brendans | One of the ones with a mysteriously unmarked dial (I may or may not have found "Drain") |
| 23:32.37 | wazd | wow, dell's tablet looks pretty descent |
| 23:33.17 | wazd | it doesn't even have appleish look :) |
| 23:33.24 | johnx | wazd, did you see engadget stab it with a pen? |
| 23:33.35 | wazd | johnx: yeah :) |
| 23:33.49 | johnx | yeah, that looked awful, but I was suitably impressed |
| 23:34.17 | brendans | is this the XT2? |
| 23:34.33 | wazd | johnx: my first pda's touchscreen died after one summer of playing Snails :D |
| 23:34.44 | wazd | johnx: that's WM Worms clone :) |
| 23:34.53 | brendans | or the Streak? |
| 23:34.59 | johnx | brendans, streak |
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| 23:35.38 | wazd | though it's a heluva spade :) |
| 23:35.47 | brendans | ah, k |
| 23:36.21 | wazd | even HD2 will look small near that monster :) |
| 23:36.43 | brendans | seems like the screen is about the size of the n800 body? |
| 23:37.07 | wazd | brendans: something like that |
| 23:38.22 | wazd | I hope there once will be a capacitive touchscreen with same accuracy as resistive |
| 23:38.57 | wazd | that would be the end of resistive era :) |
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| 23:39.11 | SpeedEvil | is mind-boggled by the insanity of end-users caring. |
| 23:39.17 | brendans | I'll admit, I kind of like the n900's resistive LCD... sunlight readable, and it works with anything you touch it with |
| 23:39.50 | wazd | brendans: well, first of all sun readibility has nothing to do with touchscreen type :) |
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| 23:39.58 | brendans | no, I mean LCD vs. AMOLED |
| 23:40.13 | wazd | brendans: ah, yeah, n900's LCD is superb |
| 23:40.21 | brendans | but I see the two decisions (resistive, LCD) as coming from the same design philosophy |
| 23:40.31 | wazd | brendans: it's even better than e63 |
| 23:41.00 | brendans | wazd: i.e. there should never be a normal use situation where you can't use the device because of silly reasons (gloves, sunlight) |
| 23:41.30 | wazd | brendans: AMOLED is overrated |
| 23:41.52 | wazd | brendans: I compared Nexus One next to n900 - nothing really that special |
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| 23:42.07 | wazd | brendans: slightly brighter, that's all |
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| 23:42.28 | wazd | brendans: though it's more energy eficcent |
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| 23:42.58 | brendans | wazd: yeah, I guess my concern is that if you don't have a transflective screen, there are a lot of situations where it can't be used |
| 23:43.28 | wazd | brendans: well, looks like Super-AMOLED fixes the situation a bit |
| 23:43.38 | brendans | wazd: oh? |
| 23:43.40 | wazd | brendans: but still nothing close to transflective |
| 23:44.16 | wazd | brendans: well, it's even more brighter, that's why it's more readable on the sunlight |
| 23:44.36 | zash | N9xx with pixel qi yet? |
| 23:44.38 | brendans | ah, k |
| 23:44.46 | johnx | zash, I wish |
| 23:44.55 | zash | who doesn't? |
| 23:44.57 | wazd | zash: who knows |
| 23:45.11 | brendans | zash: I feel like that's the endpoint of what we were just talking about |
| 23:45.33 | johnx | are we ranting about what features we want? good. I want something in the Zaurus SL-5500 form factor |
| 23:45.36 | wazd | zash: pixel Qi + that fancy resistive multitouch tech + my secret weapon = death to all handhelds :) |
| 23:45.43 | brendans | something e-ink like on one end of the spectrum, and some kind of LED matrix on the other... |
| 23:45.49 | brendans | or both |
| 23:45.51 | luke-jr | johnx: lame |
| 23:45.55 | luke-jr | C760 form ftw |
| 23:46.16 | johnx | luke-jr, one handed text entry. nuff said |
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| 23:46.52 | brendans | http://creativetech.inn.leedsmet.ac.uk/staff/rb/RBwearable.jpg |
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| 23:47.06 | brendans | 'nuff said |
| 23:47.20 | wazd | johnx: keyboard is fancy, but trackball? :D |
| 23:47.24 | bennypr0fane_ | the flasher got stuck and my keyboard went dead. somehow the phone is still alive |
| 23:47.24 | MohammadAG | UGH |
| 23:47.30 | johnx | brendans, hey, where'd you dig up the picture of me? |
| 23:47.50 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, what did it say when it got stuck? |
| 23:47.53 | brendans | lol, third hit on a google image search for "wearable computing" |
| 23:48.03 | luke-jr | btw, who here has a Pandora already? |
| 23:48.16 | johnx | luke-jr, mine is in the mail :) |
| 23:48.33 | luke-jr | johnx: to me? |
| 23:48.36 | bennypr0fane_ | it said: "sending cmt-algo image (507kB)" |
| 23:48.59 | johnx | luke-jr, to my parents house I think |
| 23:49.04 | johnx | or maybe somewhere in east asia |
| 23:49.07 | johnx | I'm a little unclear |
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| 23:49.47 | Macer | im watching west wing again |
| 23:49.48 | wazd | http://blogspace.exjoburger.com/treo_and_sharp.jpg |
| 23:49.50 | Macer | love this show |
| 23:50.06 | wazd | square icons, matrix, total iPhone ripoff |
| 23:50.29 | johnx | wazd, and that button in the bottom center? yup. definitely a rip |
| 23:50.36 | johnx | even has the multiple desktop thing going on |
| 23:50.42 | wazd | johnx: I tell ya |
| 23:50.54 | wazd | johnx: home button! |
| 23:51.02 | Macer | iphones have multiple icons? |
| 23:51.09 | SpeedEvil | I just pasted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8zBC2dvERM in another channel |
| 23:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at all of the capacitive bullshit coming out of Nokia. |
| 23:51.35 | bennypr0fane_ | it finished sending xloader img, secondary img, flashing bootloader, sending cmt-2nd img and got stuck while sending cmt-algo |
| 23:51.48 | Macer | er |
| 23:51.49 | johnx | wow. lucky lucky |
| 23:51.52 | Macer | desktops |
| 23:51.54 | Macer | oops |
| 23:52.03 | luke-jr | speaking of which, is Pandora capacitive or resistive? |
| 23:52.08 | johnx | resistive |
| 23:52.23 | johnx | I guess bullshit would have a certain capacitance...hadn't really thought about it |
| 23:52.32 | Macer | haha |
| 23:52.33 | johnx | wonder if you could use it as an iphone stylus |
| 23:52.43 | Macer | isnt pandora vaporware? |
| 23:53.01 | johnx | Macer, yes. the pandora is the most elaborate vaporware scam ever |
| 23:53.02 | Macer | :) |
| 23:53.07 | Macer | haha |
| 23:53.08 | luke-jr | Macer: no, it shipped |
| 23:53.17 | Macer | luke-jr: liar |
| 23:53.20 | Macer | :) |
| 23:53.21 | johnx | they even sent some people real devices just to keep people believing |
| 23:53.25 | luke-jr | Macer: johnx has a tracking code ;) |
| 23:53.32 | Macer | hahahha |
| 23:53.32 | johnx | nope. sending out real devices is part of the scam |
| 23:53.44 | bennypr0fane_ | does anyone have an explanation for this? should i keep trying? |
| 23:53.51 | Macer | is reminded of the touchbook |
| 23:53.53 | Macer | ugh |
| 23:53.58 | Macer | a piece of me dies |
| 23:54.02 | luke-jr | also, as predicted, it sounds like there's no shortage ;) |
| 23:54.04 | johnx | luke-jr, actually. I got a sent notification, but not tracking info |
| 23:54.14 | luke-jr | noticed a number of "I just ordered and I'm #10xx" |
| 23:54.14 | Macer | hahahahaha |
| 23:54.27 | brendans | slightly random: I wish openmosix still worked with 2.6... I could offload work from my phone to my beagleboard wirelessly |
| 23:54.28 | luke-jr | so if they're doing 4000, plenty of time to buy |
| 23:54.33 | luke-jr | maybe the price will drop soon :p |
| 23:54.37 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, uhm. if it died out once I'm a little worried about telling you to try again |
| 23:54.55 | johnx | do you have another computer you could flash from? |
| 23:55.01 | johnx | and just use the nokia gui flasher? |
| 23:55.04 | bennypr0fane_ | not right here |
| 23:55.19 | MohammadAG | well, gdm starts correctly using vesa |
| 23:55.23 | Macer | hm. isnt a pandora using the same ti hw as this n900? |
| 23:55.28 | luke-jr | Macer: no |
| 23:55.29 | MohammadAG | except for those compiz effects :( |
| 23:55.34 | brendans | similar, I think |
| 23:55.37 | johnx | Macer, virtually the same |
| 23:55.38 | bennypr0fane_ | but no computer with linux, however |
| 23:55.38 | luke-jr | they're both OMAP3, but IIRC Pandora's is slightly better |
| 23:55.39 | wazd | #IPv6 on the Nokia #N900 and #Facebook |
| 23:55.48 | brendans | I think it's on the 3530 and the n900 is the 3430 |
| 23:55.55 | wazd | #fuck #you #, #twitter |
| 23:56.00 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, if your phone is booting again, you shouldn't need anything special |
| 23:56.12 | bennypr0fane_ | i might try again on windows with nokia software updater |
| 23:56.18 | Macer | ah.. awesome |
| 23:56.30 | johnx | yeah. I'm worried that it's something about the USB hardware on your desktop though |
| 23:56.38 | brendans | at this point, they've probably go the same 720 MHz chips the new rev beagleboards have though |
| 23:56.40 | Macer | so is the next ota update going to actually be over the air? |
| 23:56.48 | johnx | do you think you might have done anything to upset it during the flash? touched the USB cable? kicked the computer? |
| 23:56.52 | Macer | they were calling 1.2 ota haha |
| 23:56.56 | luke-jr | OMAP3430 - 600 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX 530 GPU + 430MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor) |
| 23:56.59 | luke-jr | OMAP3530 - 720 MHz ARM Cortex A8 + PowerVR SGX530 GPU + 520 MHz C64x+ DSP + ISP (Image Signal Processor) |
| 23:57.04 | bennypr0fane_ | no, i kept all nice and quiet |
| 23:57.33 | brendans | luke-jr: yeah, but only in the newer revs of the 3530... the earlier ones were at 500 or 600 MHz IIRC |
| 23:57.37 | johnx | luke-jr, IIRC, also a difference in the packaging of the chip |
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| 23:57.43 | bennypr0fane_ | the wierd thing was that not only did the flasher get stuck, but the key board stopped responding |
| 23:57.46 | brendans | e.g. beagleboard.org |
| 23:57.49 | johnx | brendans, was it a change or just a re-rating? |
| 23:57.53 | Macer | luke-jr: cant you just oc the 3430? |
| 23:57.56 | bennypr0fane_ | mouse was still working |
| 23:57.57 | Macer | :) |
| 23:58.01 | luke-jr | Macer: OC is stupid |
| 23:58.02 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, USB keyboard? |
| 23:58.06 | bennypr0fane_ | yes |
| 23:58.21 | Macer | didnt work for you? |
| 23:58.34 | brendans | johnx: not sure on that aspect of it. I have a C4 beagleboard and it runs at 720 MHz, but I think the C3 was 600 MHz |
| 23:58.40 | johnx | yeah, I wouldn't reflash your N900 from that computer |
| 23:58.42 | johnx | something is up |
| 23:58.44 | Macer | ive been running at 1GHz |
| 23:58.51 | bennypr0fane_ | why? |
| 23:59.08 | luke-jr | Macer: fail |
| 23:59.24 | Macer | not really.. maybe in 2 years when the cpu melts |
| 23:59.29 | johnx | bennypr0fane_, you had problems in windows. you have problems in linux. if your flash had died out 3 seconds earlier your N900 would have been bricked probably. why risk it? |
| 23:59.33 | brendans | johnx: but my impression is that it was an upstream supplier thing... that may just be that they bought in to a higher quality bin |
| 23:59.36 | Macer | but by then i will be getting an n910 |
| 23:59.52 | Macer | ;) |
