| 00:00.04 | Milhouse | See above :) |
| 00:00.16 | pwnguin | mine works fine |
| 00:00.18 | lcuk | sure javispedro |
| 00:00.19 | Milhouse | Maybe when Calendar can handle dates better I'll revisit that. :) |
| 00:00.35 | pwnguin | by dates you mean one niggling feature within contacts |
| 00:01.11 | Milhouse | pwnguin: I'm saying it's a suspect app that falls down at it's most basic task |
| 00:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | btw push "thanks"on an arbitrary tmo post of DocScrutinizer if you like USSD, as without me asking konttori about it here in IRC it probably would have failed to get into 1.2 even |
| 00:01.18 | pwnguin | i just don't buy this "if its not visibly bug free i cant be sure that's all the bugs there are!" |
| 00:01.35 | SpeedEvil | Oh - USSD is in by default? Nice |
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| 00:02.15 | SpeedEvil | Well - if trivially obvious bugs are visible - it raises the question of the quality of the code, and the code review. |
| 00:02.16 | Milhouse | pwnguin: truth is I don't *need* to use it (Calendar) so won't make the effort when it's broken at such a basic level - obviously Nokia didn't make any effort to test it either |
| 00:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: full ack |
| 00:02.46 | pwnguin | obviously nokia focused all their effort on microsoft exchange support |
| 00:02.51 | pwnguin | which is nice, because i have it at work |
| 00:03.07 | xorAxAx | jehovas witnesses infiltrated nokia and reprogrammed the calendar |
| 00:03.10 | Milhouse | Whereas nobody has birthdays :) |
| 00:03.24 | pwnguin | not on my phone they dont |
| 00:03.38 | Milhouse | Meanie :) |
| 00:03.59 | xorAxAx | yes, no witness witnesses birthdays, and moving them by one day does effectively that :) |
| 00:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: "apocalypse is always one day nearer than you think it is!" ?? ;-P |
| 00:04.36 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 00:04.47 | pwnguin | anyways, im surprisd that i actually got to OTA update this time |
| 00:04.50 | javispedro | they removed the left/right swipe to go to next month in calendar!!!! |
| 00:04.59 | javispedro | that's it!! I'm buying an iPhone. |
| 00:05.04 | xorAxAx | haha |
| 00:05.06 | tuliobaars | Hello people! Is the n810 dead? |
| 00:05.11 | derf | Yes. |
| 00:05.18 | Mousey | long live the n810! |
| 00:05.18 | xorAxAx | tuliobaars: yes, it doesnt have an atom cpu |
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| 00:05.23 | GAN900 | Howdy, Milhouse. |
| 00:05.56 | derf | I still use my N810 more than my N900. |
| 00:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: 1.2 fanboy's penalty ;-P |
| 00:06.21 | pwnguin | does the n900 pair with BT keyboards? |
| 00:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it's absolutely amazing how the number of regressions seems way larger than the number of fixed bugs |
| 00:07.46 | ManoftheSea | pwnguin: it can |
| 00:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | which btw I seen happening in a similar way for OM SHR distro |
| 00:08.27 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: interestingly enough they also kept changing Gtk<->Qt<->Enlightment didn't them? :) |
| 00:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:08.44 | xorAxAx | pwnguin: yes, except those sold by nokia (not kidding!) |
| 00:08.44 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: With not enough communication with community. |
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| 00:09.04 | xorAxAx | BTDT, failed miserably |
| 00:09.23 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: WTF?! |
| 00:09.58 | xorAxAx | i have a SU-8W lying here and it was unusable |
| 00:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | wanders off, sobbing |
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| 00:11.16 | tuliobaars | a old history: wayfinder error in n810? |
| 00:11.22 | tuliobaars | any answer? |
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| 00:12.27 | lcuk2 | javispedro, just spent sometime with user who did full complete ssu but ended up with boxes on bootup - he had no /opt mountbind at all! tho everything else had happened |
| 00:12.56 | javispedro | uh. |
| 00:12.58 | lcuk2 | turned out his rcS-late and system-services package hadnt been updated because he had modified it (and its a conf file) |
| 00:13.12 | lcuk2 | still dont know whether hes reflashing |
| 00:13.18 | lcuk2 | think he might be ok actually |
| 00:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (SHR) nota bene SHR is somewhat like OM's mer |
| 00:13.38 | tuliobaars | do yoo know? when i'm goin to get a 7day trial it happens a network error! every tiem! why? |
| 00:13.56 | lcuk2 | tuliobaars, a 7 day trial of what? |
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| 00:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | while OM2008.xx OM2009.xx were like PRx.y |
| 00:14.23 | b-man | *sigh* i wish people on talk.maemo.org would use the wiki more often :P |
| 00:14.27 | javispedro | lcuk2: some moments ago was someone here who said that "rm -r /opt" fixed his system =) I wonder what will happen when he tries to run any app. |
| 00:14.28 | tuliobaars | wayfinder, sorryu] |
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| 00:14.40 | javispedro | (well, no need to guess) |
| 00:14.44 | lcuk | javispedro, :O |
| 00:14.47 | javispedro | tuliobaars: ah, wayfinder is dead :( |
| 00:14.52 | lcuk | tuliobaars, the servers are offline :( |
| 00:14.58 | lcuk | my tracy misses Todd also |
| 00:15.01 | javispedro | tuliobaars: if you didn't download the maps previously you're gonna have a hard time.. |
| 00:15.03 | lcuk | "at the traffic circle" |
| 00:15.13 | lcuk | its not the maps javispedro |
| 00:15.15 | lcuk | its the license |
| 00:15.19 | tuliobaars | i know, but i don't know how to use maemo mapper...but i still have the maps |
| 00:15.21 | javispedro | oh |
| 00:15.32 | javispedro | my license is still up to 2011 |
| 00:15.34 | lcuk | cant enter nav mode unlicense |
| 00:15.35 | lcuk | d |
| 00:15.40 | tuliobaars | i need a 7 day trial, so I crack it even 7 day I need |
| 00:16.18 | javispedro | oh, so I won't be able to retrieve license file if I flash the n8x0. |
| 00:16.25 | javispedro | backups it. |
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| 00:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | forget online licence shit |
| 00:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | see where it gets you |
| 00:17.34 | pigeon | hmm, does anyone know the diff with account-plugin-haze and telepathy-extras? |
| 00:18.53 | pigeon | ah, never mind... found the diff, telepathy-extras is a meta package. |
| 00:18.56 | tuliobaars | i need that license or a good gps app |
| 00:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | date limited lincences for a software are criminal and insane |
| 00:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | locking down software to a hardware is exactly as criminal |
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| 00:19.59 | SpeedEvil | Date limited licenses - that are not explicitly sold as such are criminal. |
| 00:20.08 | SpeedEvil | I have much less problem with explicitly sold stuff. |
| 00:20.42 | tuliobaars | sorry, i didn't understand |
| 00:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | I pay for it - you give me the whole cake. I don't care watermarks, but licence for a limited time, or a particular device? NO THANKS |
| 00:20.51 | tuliobaars | crack it is a criminal action? |
| 00:21.22 | tuliobaars | okok, i just wanna resolve how can I activate the 7-day trial on Way finder! |
| 00:22.27 | tuliobaars | license failed: network error, pls try again later |
| 00:22.33 | tuliobaars | unknown error |
| 00:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | SCREWIT |
| 00:23.13 | joga | nice that the url clicking problem (when hw keyb is closed) in the terminal is fixed |
| 00:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | url clicking in terminal?? o.O |
| 00:23.45 | njsf_ | re |
| 00:23.58 | njsf_ | is doing the restore after the 1.2 reflash |
| 00:24.10 | tuliobaars | no, on the MAP app on app list?! |
| 00:24.13 | SpeedEvil | you can click on URLs in osso-xterm |
| 00:24.30 | tuliobaars | but it doesn't give me any URL's |
| 00:24.31 | b-man | it's stupid to have a limited-time license for something you payed for :P |
| 00:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: INCREEEDIBLE |
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| 00:25.15 | tuliobaars | I Agree |
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| 00:25.48 | SpeedEvil | has no 8810, so has little clue. |
| 00:25.51 | SpeedEvil | 810 |
| 00:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | b-man: see my rant above |
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| 00:26.24 | tuliobaars | so, how can i resolve this??? |
| 00:26.34 | tuliobaars | editing any .conf ??? |
| 00:26.54 | joga | I see maps has 3D now |
| 00:26.57 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: yea they sould three-year licenses. |
| 00:27.02 | javispedro | *sold. |
| 00:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | b-man: if they revoke my right to use their software, can I then revoke my money I paid for it? :-P |
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| 00:27.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In some cases, yes. |
| 00:27.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: will vary depednign on the jurisdiction. |
| 00:28.02 | joga | ...except it doesn't work with night mode |
| 00:29.42 | tuliobaars | sorry, but yoo dunnot answer my question! (sorry, i'm dying tuse that GPS) |
| 00:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fsck jurisdiction, that's clearly a case to be settled by LART |
| 00:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - that reminds me - I haven't tried maps since boot. |
| 00:29.58 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: Well - sorry - we're not being paid to do this. |
| 00:30.26 | b-man | DocScrutinizer: revoking your rights to use that software for no real reason when you payed for it is very unreasonable - i'd complain |
| 00:30.31 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: And seemingly nobody that's awake and active - maybe a dozen people - knows the answer. |
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| 00:30.59 | pigeon | hmm, for msn there are like 3 plugins, haze, butterfly, and pecan, anyone knows their diff? |
| 00:31.22 | tuliobaars | ok, i wait. And, is there any Maemo 4 or N810 or OS2008 irc channel? |
| 00:31.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/software_liability_analysis/ DocScrutinizer is interesting. |
| 00:31.33 | tuliobaars | exclusively |
| 00:31.39 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: Unfortunately not. |
| 00:31.59 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: It would have made sense to create one - perhaps back in september - but nobody did. |
| 00:32.00 | javispedro | tuliobaars: there's a forum though. http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=29 |
| 00:32.22 | tuliobaars | how can I create an IRC channel? |
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| 00:33.17 | tuliobaars | ok, bybye |
| 00:33.24 | tuliobaars | see you later |
| 00:33.28 | joga | SpeedEvil: maps is more usable now, slowly getting somewhere.. |
| 00:33.58 | SpeedEvil | Oooh. Did it have a 'satellite view' before? |
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| 00:34.10 | joga | no |
| 00:34.14 | javispedro | yes. |
| 00:34.14 | joga | or uh, yeah |
| 00:34.21 | joga | but no 3D or night |
| 00:34.28 | javispedro | it had 3d. |
| 00:34.28 | SpeedEvil | \Ah |
| 00:34.37 | SpeedEvil | finds another bug to file. |
| 00:34.43 | joga | and route search is a bit better (but why pink?) |
| 00:34.53 | SpeedEvil | I guess it's using yahoo tiles. |
| 00:35.02 | javispedro | probably nokia's own tileserver |
| 00:35.03 | pigeon | hmm funny, now i have two "Facebook" account types... |
| 00:35.09 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: probably |
| 00:35.12 | javispedro | maps.ovi.com iirc |
| 00:35.18 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: But the dataset looks very like landsat |
| 00:35.18 | javispedro | yep. |
| 00:35.32 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: here - which is 15m resolution - as used by yahoo here |
| 00:36.02 | SpeedEvil | And zooming in simply endlessly says 'downloading' |
| 00:36.24 | javispedro | in this country everyone uses the same tileset |
| 00:36.42 | joga | maep is a nice program, it's simple and fast to use and you can select from many maps, I noticed it also knows the public transport routes |
| 00:36.59 | javispedro | was provided by government for free iirc, also not satellite imaginary |
| 00:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (red sky) heya, the future of FOSS is bright :-) |
| 00:37.27 | joga | if I need to check where I am, it's a lot faster than maps but more useful than the location widget :) |
| 00:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't sell a product, just sell a service |
| 00:37.36 | Pavlov | anyone know about the variant repository/key stuff on maemo? |
| 00:38.32 | SpeedEvil | joga: I use osm2go - but... |
| 00:38.33 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | sets up lawsuit against nokia, failing to deliver bugfree 1.2 ;-P |
| 00:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | hey guys - just kidding. Don't hush :-D |
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| 00:41.49 | ljp | grumbles |
| 00:42.17 | javispedro | friendly note: "Users joining DocScrutinizet's class action will be kicked and permanently banned from #maemo" |
| 00:42.24 | javispedro | argh, sorry for the typo. |
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| 00:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | kicks javispedro for typo |
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| 00:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | ljp: things going wrong? |
| 00:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | btw to keep you: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/software_liability_analysis/ |
| 00:45.14 | ljp | nope |
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| 00:46.05 | ljp | just.. if maemo5 was built on Qt, it'd have no bugs :) |
| 00:46.16 | jebba | there anyway to use the "main" camera for google video calls instead of the "small" one? |
| 00:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | actually it seems it's an unbearable risk to sell software *products* at all |
| 00:46.59 | djcaston | ljp, how is qt a part of 1.2? cause i know it plays a pretty big part |
| 00:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: given it's probably just a "1" vs a "0" somewhere in a strin like "...video0", I'd say you for sure could patch it |
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| 00:47.56 | jebba | heh. DocScrutinizer ya for sure like that somehow... But if there was a normal way to do it.... |
| 00:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | a lil more normal would be to swap the device names |
| 00:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | in /dev/* or whatever |
| 00:48.57 | jebba | that might lead to other problems though, like opening the cover would trigger for wrong device. |
| 00:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | sane method would be a decent GUI to select on video input |
| 00:49.14 | jebba | ya exactly. :) |
| 00:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: (other problems) exactly |
| 00:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | nice catch to open the cam cover and then take a shot of your own face XP |
| 00:51.06 | jebba | hah |
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| 00:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | jebba: synthesis: patch that to "2" in telepahty/whatever, and use a symlink you easily can change to whatever meets your needs |
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| 00:51.56 | javispedro | hm |
| 00:52.17 | jebba | perhaps just a dbus command will do it |
| 00:52.17 | javispedro | I kinda remember a config file for choosing the camera |
| 00:52.25 | javispedro | but that was camera-ui iirc |
| 00:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | damn, so the mirror shot cam is no fictive joke? \o/ |
| 00:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles gconftool + another few similarly nasty swearwords |
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| 00:55.51 | opdf2 | If I don't have enough rootfs space for OTA, will it prevent me from DL in the beginning, or after a long download? |
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| 00:57.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | beginning |
| 00:57.12 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Why might tcpdump say: |
| 00:57.33 | SpeedEvil | tcpdump -i wlan0 dst 80 |
| 00:57.34 | SpeedEvil | tcpdump: WARNING: can't create rx ring on packet socket 3: 92-Protocol not available |
| 00:57.39 | shinkamui | well |
| 00:57.43 | shinkamui | you're better off than I am |
| 00:57.46 | shinkamui | I have plenty of space |
| 00:57.55 | shinkamui | but appmanager wont let me download even a 41k app |
| 00:58.21 | shinkamui | every freeking ota update leads to some stupid little problem, usually one thats not big enough to warrant a reflash |
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| 00:59.15 | javispedro | oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port ! |
| 00:59.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: strange |
| 01:00.32 | opdf2 | anyone else get a quick error message during OTA? |
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| 01:04.56 | jebba1 | DocScrutinizer i dont see anything in gconf that is relevant |
| 01:08.16 | opdf2 | k looks like downloading started with ~47 mb free rootfs |
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| 01:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | jebba1: was just a blind guess |
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| 01:26.23 | ShadowJK | ponders how long to delay updating |
| 01:27.30 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Worked for me with no problems. |
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| 01:31.22 | spinningcompass | What's the /dev entry for the SHDC external memory card of the Nokia N810? |
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| 01:53.14 | SpeedEvil | How can I get the media player to output through the video adaptor to an audio device? |
| 01:53.28 | SpeedEvil | That is - the L and R stereo are plugged in |
| 01:53.36 | SpeedEvil | it stays in speaker mode |
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| 01:56.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | humm |
| 01:56.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | short the yellow rca jack |
| 01:57.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: |
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| 02:00.50 | opdf2 | cool 1.2 installed |
| 02:01.15 | opdf2 | backup app makes it so easy to reinstall apps |
| 02:02.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I have to admit I don't understand why it doesn't recognize the AV cable as just that, an AV cable - and switches to AV mode delivering audio and video to the 3.5mm receptacle |
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| 02:03.38 | MNX1024 | Anyone tried meego out yet? |
| 02:03.57 | microlith | that reminds me |
| 02:04.01 | microlith | fires up the aspire one |
| 02:04.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway shorting the video/mic ring to gnd (yellow RCA) should signal a plain headphone |
| 02:04.19 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I remembered the schematic, and did that. |
| 02:05.50 | LiraNuna | woot PR1.2 |
| 02:06.00 | LiraNuna | anyone noticed they have revised the touch interface? |
| 02:06.09 | LiraNuna | you can no longer swipe to open top panels :( |
| 02:06.14 | LiraNuna | must be a tap |
| 02:07.16 | microlith | top panels? |
| 02:07.35 | LiraNuna | application dropdown panel |
| 02:07.38 | LiraNuna | and global one |
| 02:07.39 | microlith | oh |
| 02:08.09 | microlith | didn't know it responded like that |
| 02:08.14 | microlith | I've always just tapped |
| 02:08.31 | microlith | shoves meego into his ubuntu VM |
| 02:08.36 | skynets | DocScrutinizer, what? class action lawsuit? |
| 02:08.41 | LiraNuna | I liked swiping, it felt more natural |
| 02:08.45 | LiraNuna | as if you "pull" the menu down |
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| 02:09.09 | microlith | LiraNuna: yeah, I can see that. Seems like it would be more useful with a capacitive screen though |
| 02:09.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | skynets: don't take everything you read for a true fact |
| 02:09.31 | LiraNuna | it used to work fine, they "fixed" it, it seems |
| 02:09.50 | skynets | ok so its only small claims? |
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| 02:12.36 | LiraNuna | any more 'secret fixes' on PR1.2? |
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| 02:13.32 | skynets | im still getting wrong times |
| 02:13.38 | skynets | when i recieve smses |
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| 02:36.17 | opdf2 | anyone also getting problems with shortcutd in 1.2? |
| 02:37.47 | pigeon | hmm since i upgraded to 1.2, i started getting smses from this "My Nokia" thing... anyone knows if that will cost me? :) |
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| 02:38.25 | pupnik_ | 2 euro and i tell u the answer |
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| 02:40.16 | pigeon | right... silly me, it's mentioned in the terms and conditions of My Nokia... |
| 02:40.18 | pigeon | thanks |
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| 02:52.45 | opdf2 | hmmm are there updated repos? |
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| 03:03.20 | rockydd | anyone is using maemo mapper? I have a problem to use google maps |
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| 03:34.43 | hardaker | my qt mail checking application is much nicer under 1.2, but they screwed up the highlight font. |
| 03:34.46 | hardaker | it's now dark on dark |
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| 03:50.52 | greenfly | hmmm CPU constantly pegged (xorg and rtcom-message-ui) after PR1.2 update |
| 03:52.22 | dougt_ | is thumb code still supported w/ the 1.2 ROM on the n900s? |
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| 04:12.18 | Ikarus | hrm, no one yet wrote a little nagios desktop applet for the N900 ? |
| 04:12.49 | asj | Ikarus: have you tried magios? |
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| 04:13.19 | Ikarus | you mean maegios |
| 04:13.27 | Ikarus | doesn't quit seem to embrace the style I want |
| 04:14.25 | asj | why do people ask "Is there an app for X in maemo" when they want to say "I've tried app X and I [don't like it|it doesn't do what I want|it looks ugly] is there anything else?" |
| 04:14.36 | Ikarus | asj: no, I just found it and looked at it :) |
| 04:14.43 | iPeter- | how to put video on skype call? |
| 04:15.19 | Ikarus | asj: up to that point I believed maegios was just a teaser as the google result implied |
| 04:15.56 | asj | Ikarus: I'm not picking on your alone, it's just happended a couple times in the last few days |
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| 04:16.58 | iPeter- | I found, nothing anymore |
| 04:17.23 | Ikarus | ah well, got to run, work and all, meh |
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| 04:24.42 | ZogG_N900 | hey |
| 04:25.20 | ZogG_N900 | so meego core for N900 is ready ) |
| 04:25.39 | ZogG_N900 | hope some test UI is comming soon |
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| 04:35.30 | iPeter- | Hey, i found "an-droid theme for n900" from "AppWatch" ther was repository history and downloaded it from that way. Now i cant find it from anywhere to give it to my friend |
| 04:35.54 | opdf2 | finally I can delete new emails |
| 04:39.39 | iPeter- | Is there any way to refresh mediaplayer, it doesnt regonize my vids or music |
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| 04:46.45 | MiXu- | iPeter-: It'll take a few minutes |
| 04:47.07 | iPeter- | booted phone and removed battery, worked. |
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| 05:14.19 | RST38h | yawns |
| 05:14.28 | RST38h | EHLO HUMANS |
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| 05:15.43 | Termana | RST38h, HELLO ROBOT |
| 05:15.51 | Termana | sudo make me a sandwich |
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| 05:16.47 | Cy8aer | Termana: http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/comic.php?content_id=88 |
| 05:18.06 | Termana | Cy8aer, heh :P I hadn't seen that one |
| 05:19.43 | RST38h | DESTROY DESTROY |
| 05:21.31 | tekojo | tickles RST38h with a feather |
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| 05:29.00 | RST38h | OMG, it has been 8 hours and POP3 account still works |
| 05:29.36 | Stskeeps | modest was fixed? |
| 05:29.38 | Stskeeps | scary shit |
| 05:29.53 | RST38h | Stskeeps: hush, don't scare it off =) |
| 05:29.58 | Xisdibik | morning Stskeeps |
| 05:30.01 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:30.19 | RST38h | Stskeeps: keyboard language switch still broken though = |
| 05:30.31 | Stskeeps | i'd say hack it but that part isn't oss.. |
| 05:30.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:30.44 | RST38h | Actually, it is easily hackable |
| 05:31.00 | Xisdibik | not sure if this was with the update, or just a fluke or something i changed long ago, but forgot now, When i reply to an email in Modest, it has the original message and the cursor is on the front part of it. and I dont want that. |
| 05:31.02 | RST38h | I have found the gconf value that sets the hw keyboard layout |
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| 05:31.13 | RST38h | changing it from "en" to "ru" and back does the trick |
| 05:31.30 | Xisdibik | Stskeeps: do you know if there is a way to disable including the original message in a reply email in modest? |
| 05:31.35 | RST38h | Now only need to find a way to listen to keyboard events, globally |
| 05:31.53 | Stskeeps | Xisdibik: no idea, my general opinion is that modest is too broke to fix |
| 05:31.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 05:32.05 | Xisdibik | Stskeeps: lol |
| 05:32.07 | RST38h | Anyways, work. |
| 05:32.17 | Xisdibik | anyone else know if that can be disabled in modest? |
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| 05:35.16 | lucent | eyeballs Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1.002 update @ 113.6MB |
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| 05:39.30 | tybollt | lala |
| 05:42.09 | Corsac | ok, video call between empathy and n900 fails with âcodec negotiation failedâ |
| 05:42.11 | Corsac | too bad |
| 05:42.51 | tybollt | you need to call in a mediator |
| 05:42.59 | Corsac | :) |
| 05:43.13 | tybollt | negotiate a truce |
| 05:43.14 | tybollt | ;) |
| 05:43.43 | tybollt | Corsac: anyway if you install extras codec - does that help? |
| 05:44.40 | Corsac | I have them installed, it doesn't seem to work |
| 05:44.49 | tybollt | :-/ |
| 05:45.05 | Corsac | afaiui it uses farsight on the n900 side? |
| 05:45.38 | tybollt | I have no idea sorry |
| 05:45.50 | Termana | Corsac, thats your problem |
| 05:45.55 | Termana | you need normalsight |
| 05:46.02 | Termana | otherwise its unseeable |
| 05:46.06 | Corsac | gnagnagna |
| 05:46.10 | tybollt | ja |
| 05:46.13 | Termana | :P |
| 05:46.22 | tybollt | farTsight... gets rather smelly too |
| 05:46.23 | tybollt | :( |
| 05:46.36 | tybollt | ok this is silly :) |
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| 05:49.31 | Corsac | erf |
| 05:50.00 | Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/75007/ |
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| 05:51.15 | Stskeeps | what did you expect, theora? ;) |
| 05:53.45 | Corsac | Stskeeps: yes |
| 05:54.23 | Stskeeps | Corsac: was it you who was into xfce4 on moblin? |
| 05:54.27 | Corsac | http://www.tester.ca/2010/05/25/n900-video-calls-skype-too/ seems to say that it's h264 only |
| 05:54.30 | Corsac | Stskeeps: yes |
| 05:54.37 | Corsac | well |
| 05:54.42 | Corsac | depends on what you mean by âintoâ |
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| 05:55.16 | Stskeeps | well, there was someone who was maintaining packages of xfce4 somewhere :P |
| 05:56.13 | Corsac | hhm, then it might be sofar |
| 05:56.38 | Corsac | I maintain Xfce packages in Debian, but didn't do anything for moblin |
| 05:56.40 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 05:56.45 | Stskeeps | had to put it in context :) |
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| 05:57.14 | pigeon | Corsac: oh, thanks. |
| 05:57.32 | Corsac | for? h264 stuff? |
| 05:57.41 | pigeon | Corsac: for maintaining xfce :) |
| 05:57.46 | Corsac | ha :) |
| 05:58.00 | Stskeeps | Corsac: preparing my n810 port of meego with xfce4 atm for first public .ks release :P |
| 05:58.00 | pigeon | i use debian and xfce :) |
| 05:58.08 | Corsac | Stskeeps: woot |
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| 05:58.46 | Stskeeps | still some way to go to M0 but stil.. |
| 05:58.54 | Corsac | Stskeeps: I plan to look at the 1.0 meego core to put on the touchbook, too, so that'll mean Xfce until there's a way to do GL stuff on it |
| 05:59.02 | Corsac | so I guess you ks might be helpful too :) |
| 05:59.06 | tybollt | bop @ Stskeeps |
| 05:59.13 | tybollt | Stskeeps: KDE ftw!!!!1111 |
| 05:59.22 | Stskeeps | Corsac: managed to ask to get 'extra' built for ARMv5 and ARMv7 so |
| 05:59.24 | lucent | I haven't completed an update of my N900 to PR1.2 yet, was there an improvement to the quality of front web cam capture? |
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| 06:00.59 | microlith | lucent: well, they enabled skype video call support so I hope they did |
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| 06:01.23 | Corsac | hmmh, not really sure |
| 06:01.30 | Corsac | I didn't really see a difference, tbh |
| 06:01.36 | Corsac | Stskeeps: thanks :) |
| 06:02.34 | lucent | I hope this upgrade works with HAM, hardly any free space on my N900 rootfs, after following the advice to free up space |
| 06:03.39 | Corsac | did you disable the extras repositories? |
| 06:03.59 | Corsac | grmbl, I don't see why telepathy framework can't use any of the available gstreamer codecs |
| 06:04.06 | lucent | Corsac: ^_^ yes I did |
| 06:04.18 | lucent | it won't bother me too much if this operation fails |
| 06:04.36 | lucent | my last resort is familiar to me, I will re-flash |
| 06:05.33 | lucent | somehow I hoped the upgrades would be less than 40MB |
| 06:05.52 | Corsac | it's 110M |
| 06:06.03 | Corsac | but the total occupied space is much less than that |
| 06:06.42 | lucent | HAM did not complain when I confirmed that I want to attempt the upgrade, does that imply it has enough space to store the downloaded upgrade? |
| 06:07.13 | lucent | i.e. I have say 40MB free on rootfs, using HAM the upgrade will be 110M as you say |
| 06:07.38 | lucent | where ... does the information go if not to rootfs? |
| 06:09.24 | microlith | eMMC |
| 06:09.57 | microlith | the root space is mostly a buffer, all the packages and whatnot are stored on the eMMC where there's plenty of space -if- you use HAM |
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| 06:10.10 | microlith | using apt-get will hurt quick |
| 06:10.24 | tybollt | huh |
| 06:10.42 | tybollt | the location of a package is - of course -not mandated by what installer you use |
| 06:10.50 | tybollt | that's silly |
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| 06:11.10 | tybollt | s/mandated/decided/ |
| 06:11.23 | microlith | HAM is aware of the eMMC partitions, and uses them |
| 06:11.32 | microlith | apt-get acts like it does on any Linux system |
| 06:11.43 | tybollt | ? |
| 06:11.56 | tybollt | it's in the package itself where it'll get installed |
| 06:11.56 | microlith | it'll pull the packages down into /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 06:12.04 | microlith | and eat your rootfs space |
| 06:12.33 | microlith | this has nothing to do with -install- time |
| 06:12.41 | microlith | it's all the download before install |
| 06:12.57 | tybollt | jaja |
| 06:13.18 | microlith | breaks networkmanager |
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| 06:21.15 | Tuukka | Anyone using mobile hotspot app? Does it work well? |
| 06:21.25 | bleeter | Funny thing about trying to use NSU under Win7 64bit, trying to get it working gave me the time to remove enough packages to get the update OTA going :) |
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| 06:21.56 | lucent | Tuukka: I'm wary of changing kernels |
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| 06:22.53 | Tuukka | What about Joiku spot it doesn't need a modified kernel, does it? |
| 06:23.10 | tybollt | no |
| 06:23.12 | tybollt | it does not |
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| 06:24.01 | tybollt | bleeter: it plain does NOT work in Windows 64 bit |
| 06:25.09 | Tuukka | Does bluetooth tethering work phone to phone? |
| 06:27.16 | bleeter | tybollt: I kinda figured that. The giveaway was iirc 'option 3' in the Win7 64bit tips and tricks doc page. |
| 06:27.33 | bleeter | but felt the need to give it one shot just the same :P |
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| 06:32.12 | aboyer | is there a package that i can install in scratchbox that will give me the OMAP Graphics SDK devel files? |
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| 06:34.33 | aboyer | i'm refering to this thing: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/gfxsdk/3_01_00_06/index_FDS.html |
| 06:34.43 | Stskeeps | well, what file specifically do you eed? |
| 06:35.01 | aboyer | kernelbuffer.h |
| 06:35.21 | aboyer | i'm trying to compile the bc-cat kernel module to perform opengl texture streaming |
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| 06:35.41 | aboyer | and this bc-cat module depends on OMAP Graphics SDK and OMAP Linux PSP |
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| 06:37.51 | Stskeeps | aboyer: don't think we have it.. any path associated? |
| 06:38.03 | Stskeeps | it might be in kernel itself |
| 06:38.47 | aboyer | Stskeeps: drm/mrst/pvr/services4/include/kernelbuffer.h |
| 06:39.14 | aboyer | if it was in the kernel then there would be 10 devices /dev/bc-cat0 - /dev/bc-cat9 |
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| 06:39.28 | aboyer | and those are not present on pr 1.1.1 |
| 06:39.39 | aboyer | are they there on pr1.2 perhaps? |
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| 06:40.21 | aboyer | * actually the devices should be /dev/bccat0-9 |
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| 06:40.52 | Stskeeps | aboyer: check kernel source, it would be in drivers/gpu/pvr |
| 06:41.06 | aboyer | it's not there.. checked already, that is why i'm asking |
| 06:41.13 | Stskeeps | sure? |
| 06:41.39 | aboyer | all i have in there are Kconfig, Makefile and a tools directory |
| 06:41.45 | Stskeeps | eh :P |
| 06:41.53 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 06:42.49 | Stskeeps | drivers/gpu/pvr/kernelbuffer.h |
| 06:43.28 | aboyer | can you tell me what package i need to install to get that? |
| 06:43.48 | Stskeeps | grab the kernel source package from repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 |
| 06:44.08 | aboyer | ok, and then dump it in /usr/src in scratchbox? |
| 06:44.21 | aboyer | is new to kernel hacking |
| 06:44.43 | Stskeeps | wiki documentation should help |
| 06:44.53 | aboyer | ok, thx for your help |
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| 07:00.45 | Corsac | hmhm, when taking pictures with ctrl+shift+P, where are the png stored? |
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| 07:02.23 | Corsac | ha, MyDocs/.images/Screenshots |
| 07:02.24 | Khertan | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/screenshot |
| 07:02.30 | Khertan | if i remember well |
| 07:02.32 | Khertan | Hi All ! |
| 07:02.42 | Corsac | yeha thanks :) |
| 07:02.57 | Khertan | a bit late :) |
| 07:03.59 | parim | is it possible to mount a windows file share on maemo 4? |
| 07:04.28 | Appiah | is there samba support? then yes |
| 07:04.31 | Appiah | oh wait |
| 07:05.25 | pupnik | still surviving after dist-upgrade |
| 07:05.43 | pupnik | what is the OTA metapackage name for pr1.2 |
| 07:05.44 | Appiah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2487&page=2 parim |
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| 07:06.50 | ruskie | pupnik, same as for the rest... fremantle-generic-pr or something like that |
| 07:07.15 | ruskie | hmm seems like I'll be rolling my own kernel |
| 07:07.29 | pupnik | ty |
| 07:07.37 | johan_ | why ruskie |
| 07:08.12 | ruskie | because jebba isn't rolling his anymore and the power-kernel is worthless to me |
| 07:08.28 | pupnik | hmm that installs addnl packages over dist-upgrade |
| 07:08.28 | parim | thanks so much Appiah |
| 07:08.54 | pupnik | how do i delete all those -eses -fifi -esmx etc packages? |
| 07:08.57 | ruskie | I don't need overclocking and all the rest... I just want the same kernel with the extra stuff enabled |
| 07:09.01 | ruskie | pupnik, you can't |
| 07:09.05 | ruskie | pupnik, they are always installed |
| 07:09.09 | ruskie | and have been since forewer |
| 07:09.12 | ruskie | erm forever |
| 07:09.16 | pupnik | ah ok |
| 07:09.34 | ruskie | it would require package modification to get rid of all the language packs |
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| 07:10.26 | ruskie | johan_, basically I want fbcon NAT, ppp, pptp and a few other things on it |
| 07:12.00 | tybollt | ehr there - that's better :) |
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| 07:12.10 | ruskie | :) |
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| 07:12.38 | tybollt | ruskie: isn't there an "advanced user kernel" in the repo's for that olready? |
| 07:13.14 | ruskie | tybollt, yeah the power kernel that has way to many features(overclocking being one of them) |
| 07:13.51 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:15.18 | pupnik | ruskie: and is rather flaky talking to X |
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| 07:19.00 | ruskie | pupnik, fun... basically I just want a basic kernel with extra modules that most people might find usable maybe I'll roll a few kernels... atleast a fbcon and non-fbcon ones for sure |
| 07:19.47 | tybollt | overclocking |
| 07:19.52 | tybollt | FACEDESK |
| 07:20.05 | ruskie | tybollt, agreed |
| 07:20.14 | Stskeeps | and kexec |
| 07:20.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:20.22 | ruskie | kexec isn't a bad idea if it works |
| 07:20.35 | pupnik | how bout hacking a console or single-user runmode ruskie |
| 07:20.43 | ruskie | pupnik, already have that ;) |
| 07:20.47 | pupnik | so i can get a shell when i reboot |
| 07:20.52 | pupnik | do want! |
| 07:20.52 | tybollt | single mode runmode? |
| 07:20.54 | tybollt | huh? |
| 07:21.03 | tybollt | just boot w/ init=/bin/bash ;P |
| 07:21.08 | ruskie | nope |
| 07:21.14 | ruskie | /bootmenu.sh |
| 07:21.19 | ruskie | boot with open keyboard |
| 07:21.21 | ruskie | and it will start that |
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| 07:21.31 | ruskie | I have a basic one there |
| 07:21.42 | pupnik | mm? ty i install bootmenu |
| 07:21.44 | ruskie | starts up dsme and ssh and exec /bin/sh |
| 07:21.58 | ruskie | pupnik, it's my own creation not the bootmenu from the repos |
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| 07:22.13 | ruskie | I need to update it and refine it... |
| 07:22.18 | ruskie | I guess I can post it to my wiki page |
| 07:22.22 | pupnik | ok. very important utility |
| 07:23.04 | pupnik | i am getting many "Internal error. Application XYz closed" atm |
| 07:23.49 | pupnik | SIM gone, web gone, conversations, phone, applets gone |
| 07:24.01 | pupnik | but terminal survives :) |
| 07:24.33 | pupnik | so if i reboot without console i will have to flash via usb, which is dodgy/damaged :) |
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| 07:25.10 | pupnik | ahh good web restarts |
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| 07:26.20 | ruskie | pupnik, well bootmenu.sh does require fbcon in my case |
| 07:27.02 | pupnik | i have titans kernel atm |
| 07:27.07 | ruskie | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Bootmenu |
| 07:27.20 | ruskie | you probably do want to modify and update for your own device |
| 07:27.26 | ruskie | it's currently very hackish to my own device |
| 07:27.31 | defragger | is it easy to port debian packages to maemo? and is there a good detailed howto about that? |
| 07:27.51 | pupnik | right. ty |
| 07:27.59 | ruskie | defragger, generally use etch repos for deb-src in sdk then just apt-get source package |
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| 07:28.14 | ruskie | pupnik, the only problem is that the kernel lacks a good keyboard map for the keyboard |
| 07:28.21 | ruskie | pupnik, so sym keys don't work |
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| 07:28.51 | ruskie | pupnik, basically that bootmenu.sh is hacked from existing init/event scripts ;) |
| 07:29.02 | pupnik | very interesting. ty |
| 07:29.06 | defragger | ruskie: ive done that, and what do i have to do with the source top build a package for maemo? |
| 07:29.36 | ruskie | defragger, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:29.40 | ruskie | more or less |
| 07:30.00 | defragger | ruskie: i see, i will try that thx :) |
| 07:30.23 | ruskie | pupnik, also not sure if I have a usable network connection on that |
| 07:31.29 | ruskie | frankly haven't given much thought to it so far |
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| 07:31.43 | ruskie | I did use it a few times but the lack of sym keys is more than annoying |
| 07:31.49 | ghostcube | morning, anyone maybe got the link for the moverootfs script? |
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| 07:31.57 | ghostcube | if not i will search on maemo.org :D |
| 07:32.00 | pupnik | mhm. work to do... |
| 07:32.04 | skyscraper | hi |
| 07:32.12 | skyscraper | ive a question |
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| 07:32.57 | defragger | ruskie: what is meant by that: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7) flex texi2html? |
| 07:33.40 | skyscraper | i have read its possible to connect external mic to n900 via yellow plug from videocable?! can i use it to for auxillary in like from cd player line out? |
| 07:33.46 | Stskeeps | for those interested in MeeGo on N810, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=681902&postcount=84 |
| 07:33.47 | ruskie | defragger, it wants debhelper v7 or above, flex and texi2html |
| 07:33.51 | skyscraper | *too |
| 07:34.10 | defragger | i see |
| 07:34.46 | ruskie | defragger, you sure you're using the etch sources? |
| 07:35.50 | lucent | uh-oh |
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| 07:35.59 | lucent | post-PR1.2 my N900 is endlessly rebooting |
| 07:36.03 | skyscraper | no one knows?! |
| 07:36.21 | tybollt | lucent: flash it bro |
| 07:36.27 | lucent | facepalms |
| 07:36.46 | tybollt | don't fucking facepalm - just flash your device :) |
| 07:37.05 | lucent | ha yeah okay. |
| 07:37.05 | defragger | uhm i dont know, i need to take a look, installed the system yesterday |
| 07:37.29 | tybollt | lucent: I believe flashing is there for these types of situations |
| 07:37.46 | pupnik | i believe console mode is |
| 07:37.48 | skyscraper | lol my n900 reboots too, sometimes - after pr12l |
| 07:38.02 | lucent | I mean post-install, directly after |
| 07:38.15 | lucent | I've flashed before but I wish I could avoid it if possible |
| 07:38.17 | skyscraper | hm. ota or nsu? |
| 07:38.19 | tybollt | skyscraper: by any chance ... cause you typed reboot? |
| 07:38.34 | lucent | OTA here |
| 07:38.37 | defragger | ruskie: where can i see the source list? /etc/apt/sources.list?? |
| 07:39.26 | zlimvos | weird i just enabled again extras-devel and i got an error "IP 92.122.216.179 not found" |
| 07:39.28 | skyscraper | no @tybolt - testing some media player and screen rotation and then blackscreen white led. restarted without asking for my pin again |
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| 07:39.50 | ruskie | defragger, should be |
| 07:40.12 | skyscraper | does no one know anything about audio line in |
| 07:40.15 | skyscraper | ?? |
| 07:40.22 | defragger | ruskie: uhm there are only maemo sources ... |
| 07:40.34 | defragger | i had to add these: |
| 07:40.35 | defragger | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 07:40.36 | defragger | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 07:40.39 | defragger | right? |
| 07:41.40 | skyscraper | hm :( |
| 07:41.51 | skyscraper | need to test it myself?! |
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| 07:42.24 | skyscraper | can i destroy anything when connecting a mp3player or stl to yellow plug from video cable? |
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| 07:42.39 | ruskie | defragger, just deb-src |
| 07:42.45 | tybollt | ehr |
| 07:42.47 | ruskie | defragger, you don't want deb |
| 07:42.53 | tybollt | that's an audio out innit - not in? |
| 07:42.55 | defragger | i see |
| 07:43.29 | skyscraper | thats in, too - the standard headphone has microphone too? |
| 07:43.51 | ghostcube | hmmm skype video call with mac doesnt work damn |
| 07:43.55 | ghostcube | -.- |
| 07:44.49 | skyscraper | http://www.google.com/m/url?cd=1&channel=unibox&client=ms-nokia-maemo&ct=res&ei=tCL-S-juMY2AnQOur6R0&oi=blended&q=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.nokia.com%2Fid%2F81ba2105-f16d-4c2b-a958-542ede07c7bc%2FNokia_AV_Hardware_Interface_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf&resnum=1&sa=X&ved=0CAkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEwGDGG_Uf6aPD7R36OTywcB8Bj9A |
| 07:44.56 | skyscraper | @tybollt |
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| 07:46.01 | tybollt | skyscraper: that's a big doco |
| 07:46.13 | skyscraper | wait |
| 07:46.14 | tybollt | anyway does it say in there the thing can be used for audio in too? |
| 07:47.30 | skyscraper | http://shelbinator.com/2008/05/04/n95-external-microphone/ is the same for n900 |
| 07:48.23 | skyscraper | yes the document says 'mono line in' |
| 07:48.23 | RST38h | Anyone knows if I should change Extras-Testing and Extras-Devel from fremantle to fremantle-1.2? |
| 07:48.36 | hrw | RST38h: only extras exists in two forms |
| 07:48.43 | RST38h | hrw: Ah, ok |
| 07:48.47 | RST38h | good to know |
| 07:48.47 | hrw | RST38h: testing and devel are for latest |
| 07:49.24 | Appiah | ~PR1.2 |
| 07:49.25 | infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 07:49.28 | lucent | tybollt: could use a refresher, my memory not so good... what is the eMMC? I'm looking at the firmware images page and am confused about whether I *must* flash the eMMC or not? |
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| 07:50.17 | Appiah | ~flashing |
| 07:50.18 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 07:50.22 | tybollt | lucent: emmc is where you have you pr0n |
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| 07:50.30 | tybollt | lucent: nand is where the OS is |
| 07:50.34 | tybollt | lucent: flash the nand |
| 07:50.44 | tybollt | not the emmc |
| 07:50.49 | tybollt | that way you don't lose the pr0n |
| 07:50.51 | tybollt | WIN |
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| 07:51.08 | elstupidos | lol i love that explanation |
| 07:51.34 | skyscraper | have to write "klausur" now.... afk, maybe off when connection times out |
| 07:52.07 | tybollt | Yes |
| 07:52.22 | tybollt | a mustached german named "klaus" is very typical for pr0n movies |
| 07:52.31 | skyscraper | later back! |
| 07:52.50 | skyscraper | klausur is at school, lol |
| 07:53.05 | Scelt | tybollt: I guess it is also mustached german Klaus in the band named The Scorpions |
| 07:53.07 | defragger | ruskie: do i have to use apt-get source on x86 or ARMEL? |
| 07:53.24 | ruskie | defragger, you are doing everything on armel... atleast I do it |
| 07:53.55 | defragger | ruskie: i see, last question whats that: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 07:54.23 | tybollt | RST38h. hrw: Funny how this 1.2 thing for fremantle is not mentioned on http://repository.maemo.org/, don't you think? :-| |
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| 07:55.50 | ruskie | defragger, add the relevant keys using apt-key iirc |
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| 07:57.39 | ghostcube | woah what is the latest europe firmware file again ) |
| 07:57.43 | johnsu01 | wonders what it would take to rearrange the keys on the on-screen keyboard |
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| 07:57.58 | johnsu01 | why on earth are the backspace and enter keys lower than the rest |
| 07:58.00 | ghostcube | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?? |
| 07:58.14 | CLaX0 | Hi all, a quick question concerning the fremantle sdk |
| 07:58.25 | CLaX0 | They seem to have changed the address of it in the repo |
| 07:58.29 | lucent | ghostcube: you too? |
| 07:58.31 | CLaX0 | So I get a 404 when installing |
| 07:58.52 | CLaX0 | How do I change the repo address? It's not a in the python script I got |
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| 07:59.05 | biston | Good morning. I've been reading lately in so many places that the MeeGo project dropped support for the N900 device. But looking at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/, where the images for N900 are supposed to be, we can notice that the images have been updated to v1.0 on May 25th. Did anyone try these images? do they include an interface ? |
| 07:59.05 | lucent | ghostcube: you can be sure following the process at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 07:59.09 | CLaX0 | I mean no the repo address, but rather the resource within it |
| 07:59.09 | ghostcube | dam i removed some files, and have killed my themes |
| 07:59.36 | lucent | biston: who what now? |
| 07:59.46 | biston | i mean, im confused, it seems that N900 are still supported |
| 07:59.58 | lucent | try #meego ? |
| 08:00.12 | Stskeeps | biston: it isn't a nokia product, it is a meego.com thing |
| 08:00.17 | biston | yea :p good point |
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| 08:00.25 | biston | i didn't know the chan existed |
| 08:00.31 | Stskeeps | biston: n900 support isn't going anywhere, n900 is the reference platform for ARM on meego |
| 08:00.46 | Stskeeps | support as in 'something that makes it work' |
| 08:00.49 | biston | ah |
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| 08:01.46 | biston | i'll see what they have to say about this on #meego |
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| 08:02.12 | Stskeeps | biston: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 explains a little more about our wor |
| 08:02.13 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:03.13 | biston | reading |
| 08:03.26 | defragger | ruskie: what options do i have to use with that apt-key? i hate debian :D |
| 08:03.30 | tybollt | Stskeeps: how 'free' is meego though? Will there ever be like ... 'snapshots' etc? |
| 08:04.07 | tybollt | (I can't see how that'd be sustainable granted nokia and intel wanting to make money out of this :) |
| 08:04.07 | Stskeeps | tybollt: there's supposed to be weekly or daily snapshots of Trunk, depending on who you ask |
| 08:04.22 | tybollt | oh? o_O |
| 08:04.27 | Stskeeps | it isn't android, you know |
| 08:04.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:04.28 | ruskie | defragger, me too... searc hfor debian import key apt-key |
| 08:05.05 | Milo- | do I get charged for anything if I press the "send to mobile" button on the ovi store site? (given that the application is free) |
| 08:05.11 | ruskie | tybollt, from my understanding MeeGo core is completly open no clue about the stuff on top |
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| 08:06.16 | ruskie | which reminds me... need to try the netbook release on my 701 |
| 08:06.44 | tybollt | Stskeeps: No of course not |
| 08:06.48 | tybollt | Stskeeps: My point is... |
| 08:07.10 | tybollt | At some point you'll be pulling in closed source binaries - how/when is that? |
| 08:07.41 | Stskeeps | tybollt: right. in our hardware adaptation we try to minimize closed source binaries. if you own a n900, you can get the repo URL for them and the kickstart file for generating our closed image. |
| 08:07.49 | Stskeeps | this is entirely on hardware basis. |
| 08:07.57 | tybollt | uhuh |
| 08:08.34 | Stskeeps | at some point, a vendor might add differentiation. |
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| 08:08.43 | Stskeeps | that core on top of the open and portable meego core and ux. |
| 08:08.57 | Stskeeps | so instead of 43% we have like 97% :P |
| 08:09.00 | ruskie | hopes that the announcement that MeeGo 1.1 will support touchscreen phones and that it'll be around somewhere in october iirc will come true |
| 08:09.28 | timeless_mbp | !seen andre |
| 08:09.33 | tybollt | Stskeeps: Right so a _fairly_ vendor agnostic process then... makes sense I suppose |
| 08:09.41 | lejonet | timeless_mbp: still is ~ not ! ;) |
| 08:09.50 | lejonet | ~seen andre |
| 08:09.53 | infobot | andre is currently on #meego (8d 23h 25m 59s), last said: 'postmanPechkin: const char* is not a class, it has no nested types'. |
| 08:10.05 | asj_ | hmm, I wonder if I can change left-right audio output balance on the n900 |
| 08:10.08 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: so⦠you're looking at platform costs wrong |
| 08:10.18 | tybollt | ? |
| 08:10.19 | Stskeeps | tybollt: i think it could be a lot worse. if you have hardware that supports a fully open hardware adaptation you can build open differentiation on top |
| 08:10.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:10.31 | timeless_mbp | a platform is a sustainable expense because it's a substitute for an existing expense |
| 08:10.41 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: My missus always said I don't handle/understand "costs", so yeah - probably. |
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| 08:10.45 | timeless_mbp | and it enables costs savings through cost sharing |
| 08:10.57 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: so, look at it this way.. |
| 08:11.05 | timeless_mbp | i don't have a missus, so i have to pay for my own apt |
| 08:11.16 | timeless_mbp | imagine someday i meet a nice lady, who also has to pay for her own apt |
| 08:11.27 | timeless_mbp | we could share a place, and our base cost for housing would go down |
| 08:11.36 | timeless_mbp | sure it might be a bigger place and seem to cost more |
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| 08:11.53 | timeless_mbp | but if you compare how much each of us put in before to how much we put in after, our individual costs will drop |
| 08:11.59 | timeless_mbp | we might even be able to do more things |
| 08:12.05 | timeless_mbp | and that's w/ just two of us |
| 08:12.27 | timeless_mbp | imagine if i moved from Finland (where neighbors are imaginary) |
| 08:12.39 | timeless_mbp | to a place where we had friendly neighbors who'd help out once in a while |
| 08:12.45 | tybollt | you entirely lost me now - but ok :) |
| 08:12.49 | timeless_mbp | that community adds value and reduces cost |
| 08:12.52 | timeless_mbp | which part? |
| 08:13.08 | timeless_mbp | imagine an apt for one in HEL costs 200kEUR |
| 08:13.11 | timeless_mbp | which isn't too far off |
| 08:13.23 | timeless_mbp | imagine if another person in the same city is also paying 200kEUR for an apt |
| 08:13.31 | timeless_mbp | total cost for 2 individuals = 400kEUR |
| 08:13.36 | timeless_mbp | imagine if they "merged" |
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| 08:13.45 | timeless_mbp | they could live in a 300kEUR apt together |
| 08:13.51 | timeless_mbp | they each save 50kEUR |
| 08:14.28 | timeless_mbp | if their old apt was say 50m^2, they might upgrade to an 80m^2 place |
| 08:14.43 | timeless_mbp | their place to them looks bigger, and to you as a visitor it also looks bigger |
| 08:14.44 | ruskie | is used to cast sharing paying for half of the costs for living at home |
| 08:15.01 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: does the first part make sense? |
| 08:15.03 | ruskie | erm cost even |
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| 08:15.11 | defragger | ruskie: finally its compiling the package |
| 08:15.13 | groove | hi, i have been told there has been a new release for the n900 this week but my phone is not showing up the update, any ideas why? |
| 08:15.26 | ruskie | groove, maybe it hasn't updated yet |
| 08:15.30 | timeless_mbp | groove: it doesn't poll every minute |
| 08:15.36 | groove | is there a way to force a poll? |
| 08:15.41 | tybollt | groove: sure there is |
| 08:15.41 | timeless_mbp | for some reason someone thought that might be expensive :) |
| 08:15.48 | lucent | tybollt: Thanks for the help, I like your description of the eMMC ^_^ |
| 08:15.48 | tybollt | go into HAM and press refresh |
| 08:15.55 | Lazy^ | Helli, is there MMS option for N900. I know there isn't one from Nokia but repos ? |
| 08:16.01 | ruskie | fMMS |
| 08:16.03 | ruskie | supposedly |
| 08:16.05 | groove | tybollt: what is HAM? |
| 08:16.06 | timeless_mbp | Lazy^: fMMS |
| 08:16.14 | timeless_mbp | groove: 'App. Manager' |
| 08:16.15 | Lazy^ | Can i find it from repos ? |
| 08:16.24 | timeless_mbp | or 'App manager' or 'Add/Remove' (if you use my localization) |
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| 08:16.32 | timeless_mbp | Lazy^: sure, it should be in extras |
| 08:16.44 | tybollt | dneary? |
| 08:16.52 | groove | timeless_mbp: i already tried an "update" (as opposed to "download") from the app manager |
| 08:16.54 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: so, did the basic cost sharing stuff make sense? |
| 08:16.57 | groove | i'm not sure if it comes from the standard repos |
| 08:16.58 | ruskie | gah... hate that More... was removed |
| 08:17.02 | tybollt | who is the head honcho in charge of website / doco? That's dneary yeah? |
| 08:17.05 | timeless_mbp | groove: the update is from a standard repo |
| 08:17.16 | groove | ok, maybe my repos are messed up |
| 08:17.18 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: file a bug ;-) |
| 08:17.18 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'm not sure still what you are trying to convince me of. |
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| 08:17.31 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: you were wondering how meego could be sustainable |
| 08:17.34 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'd really just want a mail where I can submit a bug. |
| 08:17.34 | lucent | groove: I had to flash PR1.2 anyways, because of troubles upgrading |
| 08:17.36 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'd really just want a mail where I can submit a diff |
| 08:17.44 | lucent | groove: it might make sense to just flash |
| 08:17.47 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: bugzilla supports that :) |
| 08:17.49 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:17.55 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: jajaja Ok, very well then |
| 08:17.56 | timeless_mbp | there's a website product and you can attach patches |
| 08:17.59 | Khertan | hum ... meego 1.0 ... interesting |
| 08:18.18 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: anyway, both intel and nokia had to pay for building an os (moblin, maemo) |
| 08:18.18 | groove | ok, i'll try flashing it if the update doesn't show up in the next week |
| 08:18.20 | groove | many thanks |
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| 08:18.34 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: jajaja now stop mocking me |
| 08:19.34 | defragger | ruskie: did you ever upload any of your created packages to the maemo repository? |
| 08:19.43 | ruskie | defragger, all my stuff is in my own repo |
| 08:19.52 | defragger | ah i see |
| 08:20.56 | Scelt | hei boys, where was the article about N900 ovi store update? |
| 08:21.08 | Khertan | ruskie ... :) |
| 08:21.26 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: afaik nokia didn't actually promise that |
| 08:21.34 | Khertan | Scelt ... maybe in rumors ... or archives 2009 sections |
| 08:21.36 | timeless_mbp | it might be hoped, but afaik we didn't make that promise |
| 08:21.45 | timeless_mbp | i think the hope is to get it rolled out asap |
| 08:21.53 | timeless_mbp | but please don't treat it as a promise |
| 08:22.31 | Scelt | I thought they said something about this day, thursday 27th |
| 08:22.36 | ruskie | is happy living an Ovi-less life |
| 08:22.38 | Scelt | I saw somewhere |
| 08:22.41 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: you're welcome to think that |
| 08:22.48 | timeless_mbp | and there were third parties who made that claim |
| 08:23.03 | timeless_mbp | i'm speaking as a nokian having read mail where internals asked if the claim was accurate |
| 08:23.10 | Scelt | may be so, but I want to find that arcticle anyway |
| 08:23.11 | timeless_mbp | the response i saw indicated the claim was not |
| 08:23.18 | timeless_mbp | oh, the article's easy to find |
| 08:23.26 | timeless_mbp | but who cares? it's a third party article |
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| 08:24.08 | Scelt | "I want to find a Volvo repair shop. Please help." "Lol! Drive BMW!!1" |
| 08:24.46 | timeless_mbp | more like "I need help finding macrumors.com, because I have an apple and want to know if apple announced its next product" |
| 08:25.15 | pupnik | second pot of tea is sooo smooth |
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| 08:25.22 | pillar_ | I thought that what was promised for today was new games to ovi store |
| 08:25.34 | Scelt | nah. I want to find that article because of interest, not because of believing anyone blogging anything |
| 08:25.38 | tybollt | pupnik needs himself some coffe |
| 08:25.39 | tybollt | e' |
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| 08:25.51 | Khertan | didn't see why the sauerkraut is cold |
| 08:26.00 | lucent | I wish there were a "No to all" setting in "Version conflict" dialog for Backup/Restore |
| 08:26.01 | ruskie | needs vast amounts of sleep this week... am so sleep deprived it's not funny |
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| 08:26.17 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=new%20games%20ovi%20n900&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 says ... |
| 08:26.20 | tybollt | Khertan: do you fancy those little cheese cubes? you know w/ a red cow on them? :) |
| 08:26.30 | timeless_mbp | lucent: i filed a bug for that feature years ago |
| 08:26.38 | timeless_mbp | the backup team ui designers insist on being annoying |
| 08:26.41 | lucent | timeless_mbp: ha, yeah |
| 08:26.48 | timeless_mbp | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 08:26.55 | timeless_mbp | > First up â new games join the veritable arcade already on offer in Ovi Store. Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster, Zen-bound, Angry Birds (level pack), Sygic, Kroll, Weatherbug, and GoGadget are all available to keep you entertained. Important to note though that Ovi Store will do a full switchover this week Thursday, May 27, so these games and other for-purchase apps will show up then. |
| 08:27.07 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 08:27.11 | Khertan | tybollt, the laughting cow ? |
| 08:27.14 | Scelt | Thanks! tjust that I was looking for |
| 08:27.22 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: isn't that an official channel? |
| 08:27.49 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: dunno |
| 08:27.58 | lucent | Angry Birds game is brilliant, it is catching on at the Apple iPhone apps store, one of the most popular games... and I played it first on N900 :) though unrelated to maemo |
| 08:28.03 | timeless_mbp | the place i read earlier was maemo<something> |
| 08:28.06 | timeless_mbp | which definitely wasn't |
| 08:28.45 | Scelt | well, gotta believe the official Nokia blog |
| 08:28.56 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: bad idea ;-) |
| 08:29.00 | timeless_mbp | goes to send an email |
| 08:29.24 | Scelt | ;D |
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| 08:29.35 | tybollt | Khertan: oui justement |
| 08:29.51 | ZogG_N900 | bad day for me |
| 08:29.55 | ZogG_N900 | damn fml |
| 08:30.21 | Stskeeps | pr1.2 ate your lunch? |
| 08:30.56 | ZogG_N900 | nope |
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| 08:31.04 | Khertan | tybollt, i'm not a fan :) prefer cashew nut with my vodka |
| 08:31.27 | ZogG_N900 | today i would waste myself i think |
| 08:31.41 | Khertan | tybollt, but right now it 10h30 ... un peu tôt pour l'apéritif |
| 08:31.44 | timeless_mbp | > We are not committed to open Store for PR1.2 on Thu May 27. We naturally hope we can do this. |
| 08:31.50 | timeless_mbp | that's an email i received internally |
| 08:31.51 | Khertan | tybollt, but right now it 10h30 ... a little early for a drink |
| 08:31.59 | timeless_mbp | it was sent tuesday morning |
| 08:32.16 | tybollt | Khertan: is it ever - for a frog? :) |
| 08:32.26 | Khertan | tybollt, haha |
| 08:32.27 | ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, i don't believe anyone anymore |
| 08:32.33 | Khertan | tybollt, in fact not :) |
| 08:32.37 | tybollt | ;-P |
| 08:32.41 | odin_ | ok I finally did the PR1.2 deed today (OneNAND + eMMC reflash), my WinXP PC was acting up yesterday |
| 08:32.50 | ZogG_N900 | it's all lies around |
| 08:32.59 | lucent | odin_: why reflash eMMC? |
| 08:33.26 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: not really a surprise that nobody knows what's going on |
| 08:33.38 | Khertan | lol Surfa ... it s here the right channel :) |
| 08:33.39 | odin_ | well its got bugger all data on it (as its not my main phone), and I wanted to the full Nokia device experience |
| 08:33.57 | Surfa | Khertan, i have plenty of right channels :) |
| 08:34.06 | Surfa | problem is to talk about right thing on them :) |
| 08:34.12 | lucent | I'm still wondering what flashing the eMMC does to add to the "experience" |
| 08:34.23 | ZogG_N900 | why not. that's cool to reflash. |
| 08:34.33 | Khertan | Surfa, exactly |
| 08:34.33 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:34.39 | ZogG_N900 | you know i was in army |
| 08:34.44 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: glad to hear you're appropriately jaded |
| 08:34.48 | timeless_mbp | and sorry about that :( |
| 08:35.02 | ZogG_N900 | and even ordaniry soldier perfore better if he knows reasons |
| 08:35.03 | odin_ | it ensures all config files are reset and the correct formats, plus I get to pick my language and locale again on first boot! |
| 08:35.18 | lucent | config files? hm |
| 08:35.37 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, that are in /home/user |
| 08:35.44 | lucent | oh okay |
| 08:35.49 | odin_ | wow the Terms and Conditions would take a whole day to read ! |
| 08:35.53 | timeless_mbp | Deputy Editor, Nokia Conversations rhiain.morgan@republicpublishing.co.uk 079 8305 5495 |
| 08:35.56 | timeless_mbp | cute |
| 08:35.58 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 08:36.01 | timeless_mbp | EWTF |
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| 08:36.18 | vanad1s | good morning |
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| 08:36.30 | ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, you want him to get spamed? not a good idea to put data here |
| 08:36.30 | vanad1s | are the nokia update servers currently down? |
| 08:36.31 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: well, not talking about Nokia only. Big firms just are what they are. |
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| 08:36.36 | lucent | uh-oh |
| 08:36.45 | lucent | post PR1.2 my SIM is not registered |
| 08:36.47 | ZogG_N900 | Scelt, not true |
| 08:36.51 | lucent | that's bad... |
| 08:36.53 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 08:37.09 | pupnik | check that the cellmo module loaded maybe lucent |
| 08:37.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo |
| 08:37.16 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: i got that person's contact info from google |
| 08:37.19 | PhonicUK | anyone tried the meego release on their n900? |
| 08:37.27 | timeless_mbp | and i fully intend to place a phone call to that person <now> |
| 08:37.37 | ZogG_N900 | Scelt, there are 2 options. or keep ur clients happy with support or inform |
| 08:37.39 | odin_ | Hmm... "SMS - Nokia", "You are already registered to My Nokia. You will nopw start receiving Tips from your new Nokia." hmm... |
| 08:37.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: oops |
| 08:37.49 | odin_ | thinks ET Phone Home |
| 08:37.51 | lucent | DocScrutinizer51: is this known bug? |
| 08:37.59 | Stskeeps | odin_: that is really a wtf |
| 08:38.00 | ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, update me with results |
| 08:38.16 | ruskie | it says I'm subscribed as well even though I never subscribed |
| 08:38.21 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, do you have it? |
| 08:38.22 | Stskeeps | yeah, same |
| 08:38.22 | ruskie | it also doesn't let me unsubscribe |
| 08:38.26 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 08:38.47 | ZogG_N900 | it's gentoo port time |
| 08:38.51 | lucent | ZogG_N900: the SIM-with-crossout-line icon is displayed now, and no cell connectivity |
| 08:39.07 | lucent | that's bad. what do I do |
| 08:39.07 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, have u took it out? |
| 08:39.17 | timeless_mbp | anonymous voicemail :( |
| 08:39.25 | lucent | ZogG_N900: I've tried re-seating it |
| 08:39.30 | ZogG_N900 | i mean before. try to take out and place it back |
| 08:39.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: somebody had his contacts app act up until I recommended to ersase all SIM contacts |
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| 08:39.52 | Lazy^ | Hello on fMMMS instructions it says: -Enter your phone number at last (without dash) <- Where i should put my phonenumber ? |
| 08:39.54 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: few things agravate me to the extent anon voicemail does when I REALLY need to get a hold of someone :-S |
| 08:39.54 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, try to reflash and try another sim as well |
| 08:40.20 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: *shrug* |
| 08:40.28 | lucent | is there some commandline kung-fu I should do? |
| 08:40.32 | timeless_mbp | the british version is better than the finnish version |
| 08:40.35 | ZogG_N900 | who is the head of nokia and responsible for n900 ? ) |
| 08:40.42 | timeless_mbp | the british version doesn't make any claim about who owns the mailbox |
| 08:40.49 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, i don.t think so |
| 08:40.51 | Scelt | Lazy^: configuration |
| 08:40.55 | timeless_mbp | the finnish version says something like "the person you are trying to reach ..." |
| 08:41.15 | timeless_mbp | but since it's an anonymous box, how does it know it *is* the person i'm trying to reach? |
| 08:41.15 | Lazy^ | Scelt: yes but where in there, i cant find any place for phonenumber |
| 08:41.18 | ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, are u calling from n900? |
| 08:41.19 | timeless_mbp | *i* don't know that! |
| 08:41.24 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: w/ SIP. |
| 08:41.26 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 08:41.29 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: :P:P |
| 08:41.31 | timeless_mbp | i don't have other phones, just n900s |
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| 08:41.34 | ZogG_N900 | cause that your phone in ignore list |
| 08:42.11 | Scelt | Lazy^: seems that it's unnecessary anymore. I didn't find it either |
| 08:42.14 | ZogG_N900 | Lazy^, check the thread at tmo or ask frals |
| 08:42.38 | Scelt | Lazy^: so skip it |
| 08:42.39 | ZogG_N900 | i failed test today |
| 08:42.59 | asj_ | well that's lame, there's no good n900 mixer control |
| 08:43.07 | Lazy^ | ok skipped it |
| 08:43.09 | lucent | DocScrutinizer: I think I've got a handle on the issue |
| 08:43.12 | ZogG_N900 | i want to get drunk. right now. it's hard to be russian |
| 08:43.30 | thresh | not really |
| 08:43.39 | lucent | DocScrutinizer: PR1.2 contains info that gets flashed, and is not downgraded when you get back to 1.1, which I think is what I manually flashed to my N900 |
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| 08:43.56 | lucent | so it's not going to work until I get PR1.2 going again? that's the theory |
| 08:44.07 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, true |
| 08:44.38 | ZogG_N900 | everything goes wrong |
| 08:45.13 | lucent | the strange thing is I thought I'd installed PR1.2 when I manually flashed |
| 08:45.26 | lucent | exact command line was "sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R" |
| 08:45.33 | ZogG_N900 | lucent, check in setting - about |
| 08:45.34 | lucent | is that not PR1.2? |
| 08:45.48 | ZogG_N900 | it's not |
| 08:46.08 | lucent | ZogG_N900: settings->about says "Version: 1.2009.42-11.002" |
| 08:46.08 | marmoute | Why are the 1.2 package not authenticate on my N900 ? (when I try apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 08:46.15 | ZogG_N900 | 10?. |
| 08:46.22 | odin_ | the "Device Lock -> Lock Code" should be clearer, it should indicate it does not have a device lock code set on first use, not ask you for a code (and accept anything, this is confusing) |
| 08:46.24 | ZogG_N900 | 10.2010.* |
| 08:46.55 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 08:47.01 | timeless_mbp | i reached a colleague of rhiain's |
| 08:47.07 | timeless_mbp | but my sip audio quality was bad |
| 08:47.11 | odin_ | there should also be a mechanism to remove the device lock code, to its "unset" again |
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| 08:47.22 | timeless_mbp | odin_: so... |
| 08:47.27 | timeless_mbp | there's always a device lock code |
| 08:47.30 | ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, try out video call on them ) |
| 08:47.32 | timeless_mbp | the default is 12345 |
| 08:47.53 | odin_ | nope it accepted my new code, as the existing code (which I take to mean, it accepts ANY CODE) |
| 08:47.58 | timeless_mbp | odin_: the key is whether the device is actively <locked> |
| 08:48.00 | odin_ | I entered my new code 3 times |
| 08:48.02 | ZogG_N900 | odin_, so what's the point in lock? |
| 08:48.23 | ZogG_N900 | haha |
| 08:48.26 | odin_ | my code is not 12345 |
| 08:48.36 | ZogG_N900 | someone forgot microsoft pen in the bus |
| 08:48.49 | ZogG_N900 | odin_, it is ) |
| 08:49.07 | ZogG_N900 | i wanna be happy again |
| 08:49.22 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: fwiw http://www.republicpublishing.co.uk/about/rhiain-morgan/ |
| 08:49.24 | RST38h | ZogG: There is plenty of medications for that |
| 08:49.30 | timeless_mbp | and she's a she :) |
| 08:49.39 | odin_ | hmm I click the power button and "Lock screen and keys" doesn't appear to do anything (but activate backlight off) |
| 08:49.47 | marmoute | No idea Why those pacage are not recognised as unauthenticated by my phone ? |
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| 08:49.53 | tybollt | RST38h: :-D |
| 08:50.00 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, they are too expensive |
| 08:50.00 | odin_ | hmm I click "Secure Device" and it ASKS me for a code, to secure it, if I click out of it, I get desktop back, Doh! |
| 08:50.10 | lucent | oh... wow |
| 08:50.16 | timeless_mbp | odin_: that's the idea... |
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| 08:50.19 | ZogG_N900 | haha |
| 08:50.21 | asj_ | well at least alsamixer works, but poo |
| 08:50.24 | lucent | I just realized that I flashed the oldest version of firmware to my N900 |
| 08:50.31 | timeless_mbp | you don't want to accidentally lock yourself out, do you? |
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| 08:50.33 | ZogG_N900 | odin_, u jailbroke it |
| 08:50.33 | ghostcube | lucent: hehe |
| 08:50.42 | ghostcube | thats what i was asking for the package a bit earlier |
| 08:50.49 | lucent | I thought the newest would be at the top of the page! I'm enraged at my stupidity |
| 08:51.05 | ghostcube | lucent: its in the middle the latest thingies |
| 08:51.16 | odin_ | I presume and hope you are being sarcastic timeless_mbp |
| 08:51.53 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 08:51.54 | lucent | ghostcube: thanks mate |
| 08:51.59 | ghostcube | np |
| 08:52.02 | odin_ | not sure on the jailbreaking, this is an eMMC+OneNAND reflash, my first action is to set and test device locking so far it has either failed or doesn't work like any other phone |
| 08:52.04 | timeless_mbp | don't be presumptuous ;-b |
| 08:52.14 | timeless_mbp | odin_: i tend to be serious first |
| 08:52.16 | pupnik | where is kernel with fbcon now |
| 08:53.01 | marmoute | odin_: I assume they ask the code you *WILL* need to type again to unlock the phone |
| 08:53.05 | ZogG_N900 | brb |
| 08:53.17 | timeless_mbp | marmoute is correct, as usual |
| 08:53.19 | odin_ | I don't get this "Enter lock code to lock device" that is crazy, and if its meant to be a real feature needs a mechanism to turn it off |
| 08:53.38 | timeless_mbp | odin_: it doesn't lock the phone unless you lock the phone... |
| 08:53.45 | timeless_mbp | if you unlock the phone, it's unlocked |
| 08:53.49 | timeless_mbp | it's quite simple |
| 08:54.05 | timeless_mbp | yes the design was by finns and is hardly brilliant, and the English text is disastrous |
| 08:54.08 | odin_ | marmoute, I have already setup the code, I don't want to setup a unique code on the move (this is not a hotel with safe) its too easy to forget the number or type it incorrectly for that to be good UK |
| 08:54.11 | odin_ | s/UK/UI/ |
| 08:54.12 | timeless_mbp | but⦠it's still quite simple |
| 08:54.38 | timeless_mbp | odin_: again |
| 08:54.42 | timeless_mbp | the default code is 12345 |
| 08:54.54 | timeless_mbp | if you don't enter the right code when you try to lock the phone, it won't let you lock it |
| 08:55.01 | odin_ | I entered something else which was accepted, not 12345 |
| 08:55.10 | timeless_mbp | if you change the lock code, then you will have to use <your> code to unlock it |
| 08:55.19 | tybollt | hmm funny buig |
| 08:55.26 | tybollt | after -> 1.2 |
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| 08:55.35 | odin_ | I entered something else which was accepted, in the 1st step to changing the lock code |
| 08:55.37 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
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| 08:55.43 | timeless_mbp | the error messages are bad there |
| 08:55.46 | timeless_mbp | goes for a rewrite |
| 08:55.57 | tybollt | it seems the device no longer attaches the phone book name of an incomming sms number |
| 08:56.02 | tybollt | that is just super weird |
| 08:56.17 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: the number is probably in multiple contacts |
| 08:56.28 | tybollt | hmm |
| 08:56.34 | tybollt | I shall check that |
| 08:56.39 | tybollt | than ks |
| 08:56.45 | timeless_mbp | sadly, checking that is hardly easy |
| 08:56.56 | timeless_mbp | if you find an app for that, please let me know, thanks :) |
| 08:57.12 | tybollt | ;) |
| 08:57.18 | odin_ | when the device is "Secured" it doesn't clearly state across the top "This Device Is Secured" then "Enter unlock code to release" its like the page doesn't change |
| 08:58.03 | ZogG | back here |
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| 08:58.46 | odin_ | ok "Lock Screen and Keys" what is that meant to be doing.... the "Secure Device" looks like more major operation |
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| 08:59.11 | timeless_mbp | odin_: my translation has "Lock" and "Disable input" |
| 08:59.25 | timeless_mbp | or in your order "Disable input" and "Lock" |
| 08:59.37 | timeless_mbp | does that help? |
| 08:59.48 | timeless_mbp | considers "Prevent input" instead of "Disable input" |
| 08:59.50 | odin_ | Lock Screen and Keys - for me, just deactivates the screen backlight, the right hand button reactivates the backlight (with no sign of any "lock") |
| 09:00.05 | timeless_mbp | odin_: right, don't think about the nokia strings, think about mine :) |
| 09:00.11 | alterego | Oh, sweet, meego v1.0 anyone used it yet? |
| 09:00.12 | timeless_mbp | the nokia strings are bad of course :) |
| 09:00.15 | lucent | the difference between "lock controls" and "lock with a password" are difficult in English perhaps? |
| 09:00.21 | odin_ | well "Secure Device" is an ok label in my UK one |
| 09:00.36 | timeless_mbp | lucent: the problem is that it was designed in finnish |
| 09:00.42 | timeless_mbp | and the finns did the translation into english |
| 09:00.43 | odin_ | ok thinking about yours.... you should have one "Turn Off Backlight" |
| 09:00.52 | timeless_mbp | w/o considering related items |
| 09:01.01 | odin_ | that is what my "Lock screen and keys" does |
| 09:01.08 | timeless_mbp | odin_: not quite true |
| 09:01.15 | lucent | it's not surprising, but your observation does ring true :) |
| 09:01.18 | timeless_mbp | the screen can dim w/o preventing input |
| 09:01.27 | alterego | Oh, is it still reference UI-less ... |
| 09:01.28 | odin_ | but I also have a button for blacklight on right hand side, the non-latching slider |
| 09:02.04 | timeless_mbp | odin_: again, it's not controlling the backlight |
| 09:02.23 | odin_ | I bet the DRM system works 100% (sarcasm) |
| 09:02.51 | timeless_mbp | it mostly prevents the screen from accepting input |
| 09:03.00 | odin_ | what about _MY_ security |
| 09:03.01 | timeless_mbp | it happens of course to generally mean that the screen is off |
| 09:03.06 | ruskie | what DRM system? |
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| 09:03.14 | timeless_mbp | but if you get a phone call, the screen won't stay off |
| 09:03.15 | odin_ | looks on ebay for a lead box, that will keep it secure |
| 09:04.30 | odin_ | ruskie, sorry it was a sarcastic reference to the Maemo Security teams current work for Maemo6/MeeGo1.x in relation to "Trusted Execution" and application licensing / application secure storage (which DRM can be built on top of) |
| 09:05.09 | ruskie | doh |
| 09:05.21 | odin_ | ruskie, the sarcasm is due to glaring issues with personal/data security that exist in Maemo5 |
| 09:05.22 | ruskie | that'll be part of MeeGo? |
| 09:05.28 | odin_ | I believe so |
| 09:05.46 | timeless_mbp | odin_: maemo didn't promise drm |
| 09:05.58 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: thank bob for that |
| 09:06.04 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: yeah well |
| 09:06.06 | odin_ | these new features are a good thing, I just wish the usual security stuff I have on my Symbian handsets was also in Maemo/MeeGo |
| 09:06.12 | timeless_mbp | bob's planning on taking a vacation |
| 09:06.41 | alterego | Does the new search feature in the applications manager only search by application name? |
| 09:06.41 | odin_ | timeless_mbp sure sure... well it was announced for Maemo6 but whatever that turns into for the next hardware device release, is then the promise is made for, so until that comes out, its still work-in-progress |
| 09:06.53 | alterego | I think I prefered the old search system ... |
| 09:07.22 | ruskie | odin_, what security stuff on symbian? |
| 09:07.32 | pupnik | ruskie: which fbcon module / kernel are you using? homemade? |
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| 09:08.04 | timeless_mbp | alterego: iirc it searches the one line descriptions too |
| 09:08.06 | ruskie | pupnik, I used jebbas but with PR1.2 I'll need to roll my own |
| 09:08.09 | odin_ | well my E72 (which is my primary phone), has working SIM locking, working device locking, working MMC encryption (but no idea how secure it really is!) |
| 09:08.43 | odin_ | Im not so fussed about MMC encrpytion the community can deal with that but the other points are really something Nokia should be addressing |
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| 09:09.01 | lucent | is it unwise to restore my application list from Restore when doing an upgrade PR1.1.1 -> PR1.2 ? |
| 09:09.09 | odin_ | since they impact too much potentially close-source items and/or low level hardware, for which they are in the best position to address |
| 09:09.15 | lucent | any reason not to Restore the app list? |
| 09:09.38 | ruskie | device locking and sim locking? what's broken? |
| 09:09.45 | RST38h | lucent: PR1.2 install has not removed any of my apps |
| 09:09.47 | odin_ | the device doesn't lock! |
| 09:09.57 | redeeman | argh, is there any way to get the onscreen keyboard back to how it was in 1.1? |
| 09:10.06 | lucent | RST38h: okay, good feedback thanks |
| 09:10.08 | alterego | timeless_mbp: thanks, I suppose that's not a complete set back. I'm going to try searching for "<up to 40 characters for description>" then :D |
| 09:10.17 | ghostcube | redeeman: yeah the keyboard sux |
| 09:10.19 | ghostcube | :D |
| 09:10.22 | ruskie | odin_, does here |
| 09:10.37 | redeeman | seriously this is insane, the old one worked so well |
| 09:10.41 | redeeman | and this one is useless |
| 09:10.41 | ghostcube | you cant hide it again by any key as you could in 1.1.1 |
| 09:10.46 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, hello. Yesterday u suggested using microb for google buzz. Well, after waiting a minute for gmail's web interface to load, it takes another minute when I've hit the buzz text enter widget. Just FYI |
| 09:11.05 | odin_ | clicks Power Button, then he selects "Lock screen and keys", the backlight goes out, now he slides the right hand slider up and desktop some back (nothing was locked), it should STILL require me to "Slide the slider" |
| 09:11.21 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: yeah, but it lets you pick pictures from URLs |
| 09:11.26 | timeless_mbp | just like the real thing, since it is the real thing :) |
| 09:11.37 | timeless_mbp | my desktop is probably 10x as fast as my phone |
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| 09:11.56 | lucent | redeeman: I haven't got to playing with PR1.2 yet |
| 09:11.56 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: were you using WiFi, 3.5, 3G, or GPRS? |
| 09:12.03 | odin_ | ruskie, how do I enable the handset to _REQUIRE_ an unlock boot on bootup ? |
| 09:12.05 | alterego | timeless_mbp: is that all? :P |
| 09:12.10 | pupnik | imagine n900 with 4-row 14 column keybd :) |
| 09:12.16 | redeeman | lucent: well i don't recommend you upgrade now, atleast not if you didn't have some major issue you know is fixed |
| 09:12.22 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, 10MBit via wireless |
| 09:12.25 | lucent | redeeman: video calling |
| 09:12.30 | ruskie | odin_, in settings device lock |
| 09:12.39 | odin_ | ruskie, how do I set SIM locking, set PIN, activate, deactivate ? |
| 09:12.40 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, I guess its because of a ton of javascript that is executed |
| 09:12.41 | redeeman | video calling is not worth not being able to type |
| 09:12.55 | timeless_mbp | odin_: if you set Device Lock in control panel to some time interval |
| 09:12.58 | ruskie | odin_, sim locking under settings phone iirc |
| 09:13.04 | lucent | that, and I already attempted to install PR1.2 which caused endless rebooting, going back to PR1.1.1 causes my SIM to not be detected, so... stuck upgrading one way or another to PR1.2 |
| 09:13.12 | timeless_mbp | and then walk away, it'll prompt you for you password after that time |
| 09:13.12 | odin_ | ruskie, no I can see "Autolock" and "Change lock code", I want it to require code on power up |
| 09:13.18 | timeless_mbp | if you don't enter the password |
| 09:13.29 | timeless_mbp | then you are asked if you want to turn off the phone |
| 09:13.31 | ruskie | odin_, it does here |
| 09:13.37 | lucent | redeeman: I think the on screen keyboard is easily modified though |
| 09:13.37 | timeless_mbp | when you turn it on again, it asks for the password |
| 09:13.45 | ruskie | odin_, lemme dig it up |
| 09:13.48 | timeless_mbp | the SIM Lock stuff is unrelated and is optional |
| 09:14.01 | odin_ | ruskie, nope.. under phone I can't require device unlock code on SIM change ? |
| 09:14.08 | timeless_mbp | odin_: you can't |
| 09:14.12 | ruskie | on sim change??? |
| 09:14.15 | timeless_mbp | but why is that interesting? |
| 09:14.22 | odin_ | ruskie, yes Symbian phones do it, |
| 09:14.28 | odin_ | its interesting to make my handset WORTHLESS when stolen |
| 09:14.35 | odin_ | you cant have the data, you can't resell it |
| 09:14.46 | timeless_mbp | odin_: not true :) |
| 09:14.47 | pigeon | is there a way to reset the accelerometer on the n900 without rebooting? |
| 09:14.59 | pigeon | it seems to be stuck on one side |
| 09:15.02 | timeless_mbp | odin_: i highly doubt that the symbian phones encrypt their entire memory |
| 09:15.03 | ruskie | hmm last I checked my N95 didn't require any codes to switch SIMs as well |
| 09:15.09 | ruskie | had to install an extra app for that |
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| 09:15.18 | timeless_mbp | odin_: as such, it's merely smoke and mirrors |
| 09:15.22 | timeless_mbp | which we're missing |
| 09:15.29 | timeless_mbp | so you have one less useless feature to complain about |
| 09:15.33 | timeless_mbp | is that a bad thing? |
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| 09:15.51 | ruskie | odin_, yeah it locks for me... maybe you need to set an autolock timeout |
| 09:16.06 | ruskie | it asks me for lock code AND SIM code when I bootup the thing |
| 09:16.09 | timeless_mbp | real criminal groups can easily wipe the device |
| 09:16.11 | alterego | Wow, Apple are now worth more than Microsoft. |
| 09:16.19 | alterego | Being closed really does pay off! |
| 09:16.29 | timeless_mbp | and you can also probe the device for its data w/o loading the os |
| 09:16.34 | timeless_mbp | alterego: eh? |
| 09:16.40 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, in my E72 I have menu items. Control Panel -> Settings -> Security -> Phone and SIM card (PINcode, PIN2code, Keypad autolock, Phone autolock, Lock code, Lock if SIM card changed, Remote phone lockingClosed user group, Confirm SIM services) |
| 09:16.47 | timeless_mbp | one closed company is worth more than another closed company? |
| 09:16.50 | ruskie | need food bbl |
| 09:16.58 | alterego | timeless_mbp: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10168684.stm |
| 09:17.03 | timeless_mbp | alterego: i know |
| 09:17.04 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, did you ever test buzz with microb? |
| 09:17.07 | timeless_mbp | it made bbc-wn-tv |
| 09:17.10 | MaikB | Just wondering |
| 09:17.15 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: i buzzed w/ it, yes |
| 09:17.16 | skyscraper | yo i'm back |
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| 09:17.23 | alterego | timeless_mbp: well, Apple are a new kind of evil realy. |
| 09:17.25 | timeless_mbp | it worked well enough for my purposes |
| 09:17.37 | lucent | timeless_mbp: "Freedom from Pornography" |
| 09:17.38 | odin_ | timeless_mbp, in my E72 I have menu items. Control Panel -> Settings -> Phone -> Encryption -> (Phone memory on/off, Memory card on/off) |
| 09:17.41 | alterego | They've gone way past Microsoft in screwing over FOSS. |
| 09:17.42 | timeless_mbp | alterego: nah, they're the same company, just more successful |
| 09:17.46 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:17.51 | redeeman | well this is a disappointment, i wonder wtf the people that created the new onscreen keyboard were thinking, obviously they're on some new designer drugs |
| 09:17.58 | skyscraper | anyone NOW here knows anything about n900 audio in? |
| 09:17.58 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, I've hit publish, and it says "in progress.." for over a minute now |
| 09:18.01 | MaikB | meh |
| 09:18.12 | alterego | redeeman: I think it's in preparation for multi-touch and probably portrait mode. |
| 09:18.17 | lucent | redeeman: relax, I said it, and the on screen keyboard is easily modified |
| 09:18.19 | odin_ | so those are the features and the things that N900/Maemo/MeeGo should aim for |
| 09:18.20 | alterego | Is the new kbd in Qt? |
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| 09:18.26 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=e72+phone+decryption&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 09:18.35 | timeless_mbp | sounds like the e72 crypto just gives people headaches |
| 09:18.36 | timeless_mbp | alterego: no |
| 09:18.45 | alterego | Oh well. |
| 09:18.46 | timeless_mbp | the keyboard is still hildon |
| 09:18.46 | chadi | is there a way to make the menu scroll in PR1.2 faster? |
| 09:18.46 | redeeman | alterego: well multitouch isn't on this device :) |
| 09:19.17 | alterego | redeeman: well, if it's not in Qt like timeless_mbp states, then I doubt what I said is the case ;) Maybe it's for a possible portrait implementation ;) |
| 09:19.27 | odin_ | maybe, but as I stated somewhere above... I am not too fussed about eMMC/bulk encryption but all the other things are important ( I see the community as able to make bulk crypto good) |
| 09:19.28 | lucent | cheers o/ at the return of a working N900 phone with PR1.2 successfully installed |
| 09:19.39 | skyscraper | oskeybd is sh** - watch the keyb from opera 10 for n900 very nice |
| 09:19.48 | Corsac | the fact that it's done badly in e72 doesn't mean it couldn't be useful doing correctly on n900 :) |
| 09:19.53 | redeeman | i like the old onscreen keyboard |
| 09:19.54 | odin_ | ^^^ indeed |
| 09:20.36 | odin_ | Take "Keypad autolock" and "Phone autolock" one is automatic activation of "Lock screen and keys" and the other is automatic activation of "Secure Device" |
| 09:20.41 | pupnik | e72 design is great for portrait users |
| 09:20.50 | skyscraper | i like that from opera. useful und iphone like |
| 09:21.11 | ZogG | sooooo |
| 09:21.20 | odin_ | but the Secure Device might want to have additional options about how to handle data connections, like WLAN/3G/USB and also indepenant firewall setting, like you might secure it by barring incoming connections but allow all outgoing, etc.. |
| 09:21.40 | odin_ | I can't wait for MeeGo in E72 format mono-block :) then I will have 2 MeeGo handset s:) |
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| 09:21.52 | lucent | odin_: you've got to be kidding, about data connections. |
| 09:22.03 | ZogG | redeeman, me too |
| 09:22.09 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 09:22.10 | skyscraper | so. now trying to search a "media markt" near to me with ovi maps xD |
| 09:22.15 | timeless_mbp | the e72 claims to use AES |
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| 09:22.44 | ZogG | does e72 get mego? |
| 09:22.47 | ZogG | meego? |
| 09:22.49 | odin_ | lucent, why ? one known hack of N900 security is that you can attack/access MMC via USB even when locked, maybe its fixed now, but I see it that the USER should be able to control this |
| 09:23.00 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:23.03 | timeless_mbp | hates nokia web content |
| 09:23.06 | timeless_mbp | totally useless |
| 09:23.14 | timeless_mbp | can't figure out what the e72 actually uses |
| 09:23.35 | lucent | odin_: it's not a core OS feature in so far as I am concerned |
| 09:23.45 | lucent | you do the work, write the code, upload an app |
| 09:24.00 | timeless_mbp | odin_: you can read the file system w/ special hardware |
| 09:24.07 | timeless_mbp | just as you can for symbian phones |
| 09:24.16 | timeless_mbp | and you can reset the phone |
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| 09:24.30 | skyscraper | afk |
| 09:24.34 | odin_ | lucent, indeed! |
| 09:24.36 | timeless_mbp | your phones are not going to protect you from true evil |
| 09:24.41 | timeless_mbp | true evil w/ time will win |
| 09:24.52 | odin_ | my BeagleBoard clone is in the van outside my door, yippee! I went for IGEPv2 |
| 09:25.08 | ZogG | hildon is part of maemo right? |
| 09:25.16 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 09:25.16 | TheGerman | is "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" ok to install then new firmware without flashing? |
| 09:25.20 | ZogG | and maemo is prop. right? |
| 09:25.22 | timeless_mbp | well, maemo 5 and older :) |
| 09:25.26 | timeless_mbp | 'prop.'? |
| 09:25.40 | timeless_mbp | TheGerman: you don't want other repos enabled if you do that |
| 09:25.46 | timeless_mbp | and officially you should use app manager |
| 09:25.57 | odin_ | lucent, my BeagleBoard thingy should help me address these "security" matters |
| 09:26.10 | timeless_mbp | i don't think apt-get will say "hey, you don't have enough power not to fry me if you try this" |
| 09:26.11 | ZogG | timeless_mbp binaries only, you can't take UI out that's what i mean |
| 09:26.17 | timeless_mbp | (not certain) |
| 09:26.31 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: hildon is open source |
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| 09:26.33 | ZogG | i was thinking to get maemo UIX on meego |
| 09:26.35 | ZogG | =) |
| 09:26.38 | Ikarus | TheGerman: I wouldn't recommend it, I dropped my N900 into a reboot loop |
| 09:26.45 | pupnik | no fbcon in .37 kernel-power |
| 09:26.47 | ZogG | timeless_mbp can i get it run on meego? |
| 09:27.06 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: um |
| 09:27.11 | TheGerman | ZogG : orginal or poweruser kernel? |
| 09:27.13 | timeless_mbp | meego is a collection of bits |
| 09:27.18 | timeless_mbp | a linux kernel, and a userland |
| 09:27.25 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't include hardware |
| 09:27.32 | Stskeeps | ZogG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-KQ6wPJ04 |
| 09:27.37 | timeless_mbp | but nothing about meego is so special that it would prevent other libraries from running on it |
| 09:27.48 | lucent | Ikarus: ditto, reboot loop here when I tried installing PR1.2 OTA |
| 09:27.50 | timeless_mbp | *unlike* android |
| 09:27.54 | timeless_mbp | which has a special libc |
| 09:27.57 | timeless_mbp | and special kernel |
| 09:27.59 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E72/ |
| 09:28.24 | ZogG | timeless_mbp it does as i understand part of them |
| 09:28.38 | TheGerman | ZogG : have u installed the poweruser kernel before upgrade? |
| 09:28.49 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is that finnish in the background? |
| 09:28.55 | ZogG | TheGerman, nope, why would i? |
| 09:28.55 | TheGerman | maybe this was the problem |
| 09:28.57 | defragger | is it possible to add extras-devel to application manager? |
| 09:29.03 | timeless_mbp | yeah, it is |
| 09:29.03 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no idea |
| 09:29.07 | ZogG | TheGerman, what problem? |
| 09:29.10 | timeless_mbp | heard "noni" |
| 09:29.13 | TheGerman | reboot loop |
| 09:29.14 | ZogG | defragger, yes |
| 09:29.22 | ZogG | TheGerman, i don't have one =) |
| 09:29.30 | defragger | ZogG: what link? |
| 09:29.38 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: "joku viis vastausta" |
| 09:29.47 | TheGerman | aww, sorry i mean Ikarus :D |
| 09:29.50 | Aranel | how can I edit the new menu on PR1.2? |
| 09:29.51 | ZogG | defragger ? |
| 09:29.56 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: it's Finnish |
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| 09:30.09 | ghostcube | Aranel: touch the icons for 2 seconds |
| 09:30.12 | ZogG | is confused |
| 09:30.18 | defragger | ZogG: what do i have to add to my application manager to get to extras devel? |
| 09:30.32 | Aranel | ghostcube: thanks =) |
| 09:30.34 | ZogG | defragger, oh, just write it by hand |
| 09:30.34 | Scelt | Aranel: push icon on menu for 2 secs |
| 09:30.47 | TheGerman | Ikarus : same question :D |
| 09:30.48 | Appiah | defragger: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 09:30.58 | ZogG | defragger, catalogues, new, and than fill the info |
| 09:31.03 | defragger | oh cool thanks :) |
| 09:31.05 | Appiah | check on the bottom of that page |
| 09:31.13 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: the spec page is useless |
| 09:31.22 | Appiah | and read the warning on the top defragger :) |
| 09:31.24 | timeless_mbp | sure it provides crypto apis to java |
| 09:31.25 | Ikarus | TheGerman: no, using standard kernel |
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| 09:31.38 | timeless_mbp | hates nokia web content |
| 09:31.40 | ZogG | so who gonna leak nokia's drivers =) |
| 09:31.43 | Aranel | do I have some missing icons? Like wifi icons? On PR1.2, there's no "signal strength icon" on the left on connection dialog, right? |
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| 09:32.48 | timeless_mbp | there should be signal strength icons |
| 09:32.53 | timeless_mbp | do you have a bad theme? |
| 09:33.03 | timeless_mbp | someone else reported a theme which hurt the OSK |
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| 09:33.27 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: using the default n-series theme. But I also have some other themes. |
| 09:33.37 | TheGerman | hmh, ill make a backup and try it :D |
| 09:33.46 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: I didnt have any problem before the upgrade. |
| 09:33.50 | ghostcube | Aranel: update through repos? |
| 09:33.55 | Aranel | ghostcube: yes |
| 09:34.00 | ghostcube | from terminal? |
| 09:34.01 | ZogG | Aranel no you do TADA |
| 09:34.03 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: there are 3 rings above the circle for wifi |
| 09:34.07 | TheGerman | if it's in booting loop, i'll flash it with meego and then with pr1.2 :D |
| 09:34.11 | Aranel | ghostcube: no. from HAM |
| 09:34.15 | timeless_mbp | you can have 0, 1, 2, or 3 rings white |
| 09:34.19 | timeless_mbp | i'm using digital nature |
| 09:34.25 | timeless_mbp | which is the "other theme" |
| 09:34.28 | ZogG | TheGerman, go with win6.5 |
| 09:34.29 | timeless_mbp | nseries is **** |
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| 09:34.37 | ghostcube | maybe try if the xterm apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade brings in some packages |
| 09:34.48 | TheGerman | i just want try meego :D |
| 09:35.01 | ZogG | timeless_mbp it's nice, but there thing with too much colours |
| 09:35.18 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: Reflect, Digital Nature, Nokia NSeries. |
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| 09:35.19 | TheGerman | i hate rpm, but i am curious |
| 09:35.21 | ruskie | I've modified digital nature to be well green |
| 09:35.30 | ghostcube | rpm sux |
| 09:35.44 | corecode | so is it true? |
| 09:35.45 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: I also had maemo-org and marina, removed before the upgrade. |
| 09:35.47 | corecode | there is 1.2? |
| 09:35.50 | ruskie | yup |
| 09:35.54 | ghostcube | yo |
| 09:35.56 | TheGerman | yep, its loading^^ |
| 09:35.57 | corecode | heh |
| 09:36.02 | ghostcube | i killed my 1.2 already lol |
| 09:36.05 | corecode | meego? |
| 09:36.08 | ghostcube | no maemo |
| 09:36.12 | corecode | is there a preview available? |
| 09:36.19 | ghostcube | of what? |
| 09:36.31 | timeless_mbp | cute |
| 09:36.33 | timeless_mbp | can't open themes |
| 09:36.34 | corecode | meego |
| 09:36.40 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping, can you open 'themes'? |
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| 09:37.18 | timeless_mbp | crashes themes |
| 09:37.46 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:37.55 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: corematic's cert expired 12 days ago |
| 09:39.10 | RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53996 (check the Join Dates) |
| 09:39.58 | SWFu64 | Does anyone know i the monitor mode patch is in PR 1.2? |
| 09:40.24 | timeless_mbp | SWFu64: eh? |
| 09:40.37 | SWFu64 | Wireless monior mode patch |
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| 09:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: (lock) I suggest "dim & lock touchscreen" and "security device lock" |
| 09:41.57 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: 99% certain those don't fit |
| 09:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, always the problem |
| 09:42.10 | timeless_mbp | "Close application" is my widest string |
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| 09:42.21 | timeless_mbp | you can have about 4 'n's longer than that string |
| 09:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | make that "screen lock" |
| 09:42.34 | timeless_mbp | and it's a proportionally spaced font |
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| 09:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | and "SECURE LOCK" |
| 09:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | (capitals on purpose) |
| 09:43.27 | timeless_mbp | way too similar |
| 09:43.35 | timeless_mbp | i'm considering "Lock" and "Prevent input" |
| 09:43.45 | timeless_mbp | maybe "Pocket mode" |
| 09:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | pocket mode is quite nice |
| 09:44.11 | timeless_mbp | objections to Pocket mode? |
| 09:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 09:44.23 | timeless_mbp | it goes nicely w/ Flight mode and Tablet mode |
| 09:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | full acl |
| 09:44.34 | Stskeeps | how about purse mode? |
| 09:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | ack even |
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| 09:45.01 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't think it'll fit into you average male's wallet :) |
| 09:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: blargh, I'd expect it is like pw wallet |
| 09:45.23 | timeless_mbp | i think Pocket mode is a winner |
| 09:46.02 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: btw, are you using my strings? :) |
| 09:46.06 | timeless_mbp | ok, last thing |
| 09:46.13 | timeless_mbp | "Device Lock" the item in Settings |
| 09:46.32 | timeless_mbp | i *believe* that label is shared between the icon and the dialog <bug> |
| 09:46.44 | timeless_mbp | it has two items "Autolock after" <interval> |
| 09:46.49 | TomaszD | zaheerm, around? |
| 09:46.49 | Stskeeps | i'm really wondering if most n900 owners are emo kids, they certainly seem so.. |
| 09:46.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:46.56 | timeless_mbp | and "Change code" |
| 09:47.04 | TomaszD | cuts himself |
| 09:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: dunno |
| 09:47.13 | timeless_mbp | dunno which? :) |
| 09:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I'm not actively using any string |
| 09:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 09:47.38 | timeless_mbp | you'd know it if you were using mine :) |
| 09:47.55 | corecode | "not enough memory in target location"? |
| 09:48.05 | corecode | what does it mean by that? |
| 09:48.19 | timeless_mbp | corecode: is this from App manager? |
| 09:48.24 | corecode | yes |
| 09:48.48 | timeless_mbp | gimme a minute to get a translation? |
| 09:49.26 | corecode | sure |
| 09:49.51 | zaheerm | TomaszD, yep |
| 09:49.58 | ZogG | timeless_mbp, in which language? |
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| 09:51.42 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: well, i generally translate from Fingrish into English |
| 09:51.54 | timeless_mbp | but i can translate from Fingrish into nl-FI if you prefer |
| 09:52.05 | ZogG | i prefer russian |
| 09:52.12 | timeless_mbp | ru-FI is also available |
| 09:52.15 | Aranel | It reverts back to default after pressing "Done" on menu customization. Why is that? |
| 09:52.36 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: did you tap an item and tap a new location for the item? |
| 09:52.54 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: yes, after that I pressed "Done" and it didnt save. |
| 09:53.08 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: are you using catorise? |
| 09:53.17 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: no |
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| 09:53.51 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 09:54.10 | timeless_mbp | catorize (en-US locale display name) isn't compatible w/ that feature, so i don't use it |
| 09:54.46 | Shapeshifter | PSX4All vs. PCSX - Which to choose? |
| 09:54.54 | timeless_mbp | corecode: so, you probably hit sfil_ni_not_enough_memory |
| 09:54.59 | timeless_mbp | which is a generic message :) |
| 09:55.02 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: but I dont use Catorise or MyMenu |
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| 09:55.11 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, I gave microb 20 minutes to buzz a message, it just stuck at the "in progress.." |
| 09:55.19 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: hrm |
| 09:56.07 | timeless_mbp | corecode: what it probably means is that your root file system is too full to enable you to install the update |
| 09:56.19 | timeless_mbp | (and that the people who did ham were too lazy to get their own error messages) |
| 09:56.42 | timeless_mbp | # Information note presented when there is not enough memory to do the operation |
| 09:56.42 | timeless_mbp | msgid "sfil_ni_not_enough_memory" |
| 09:56.42 | timeless_mbp | msgstr "Not enough space in target location" |
| 09:57.28 | timeless_mbp | pokes mxr |
| 09:57.33 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=sfil_ni_not_enough_memory&find=application-m |
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| 09:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: s/memory/storage/G |
| 09:59.46 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, speaking of error messages... I had to flash 1.2 onto my N900. The update dialog told me so without giving me the reason. I tried to find a log file that contains the relevant infos, but I didn't found one. Is there one? |
| 10:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: memory == RAM on most parts of the educated world |
| 10:00.24 | vanad1s | corecode, "not enough memory in target location" -> got this error too |
| 10:01.13 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: i think the answer is that there isn't really |
| 10:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | fingrish->English: "not enough free storage space on target drive" |
| 10:01.22 | timeless_mbp | if you use apt-get you can find out what's conflicting (in theory) |
| 10:01.30 | vanad1s | currently trying to free as much space as possible |
| 10:01.46 | timeless_mbp | vanad1s + corecode: keep in mind that you need to free space from the root file system |
| 10:02.08 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, i c |
| 10:02.22 | timeless_mbp | which is not reported in "Storage" in Settings |
| 10:02.23 | vanad1s | timeless_mbp: but how much does it need? And how do i check, how much i have? |
| 10:02.35 | timeless_mbp | vanad1s: i think 60mb is enough (don't you dare quote me!) |
| 10:02.38 | timeless_mbp | and df -h / |
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| 10:03.00 | timeless_mbp | vanad1s + corecode: the simplest way to free space is to disable all the repositories you don't need |
| 10:03.20 | timeless_mbp | esp "extras" and "extras-devel" |
| 10:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 10:03.42 | timeless_mbp | there's a wiki faq page for this, DocScrutinizer++ |
| 10:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | please see /topic |
| 10:03.47 | vanad1s | oh great, thx |
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| 10:04.08 | BugBlue | dear f**** nokia, I already have PR1.2 I don't need to surf to your website just after the update |
| 10:04.35 | timeless_mbp | BugBlue: eh? |
| 10:04.43 | timeless_mbp | what did it do?! |
| 10:05.05 | BugBlue | I just got an SMS from nokia that there is 'new software with nice features at nokia.com/softwareupdate/ or so' |
| 10:05.27 | BugBlue | after I upgraded I got an SMS 'welcome back to OVI' |
| 10:05.38 | timeless_mbp | BugBlue: you must have opted in for 'My Nokia' |
| 10:05.40 | BugBlue | seems that my phone does send some information to nokia |
| 10:05.41 | timeless_mbp | welcome to cherry |
| 10:05.53 | BugBlue | time to opt-out |
| 10:05.57 | timeless_mbp | it's a mandatory feature for all nokia products |
| 10:06.10 | timeless_mbp | it's in Settings near 'About' |
| 10:06.16 | timeless_mbp | http://www.nokia.com/softwareupdate/ |
| 10:06.27 | timeless_mbp | Oops. Lost? |
| 10:06.32 | timeless_mbp | Don't worry, it's not serious, but it looks like the page you've requested isn't available. |
| 10:06.46 | BugBlue | unsubscribe |
| 10:06.46 | timeless_mbp | BugBlue: what was the exact url? |
| 10:07.09 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: clicking outside the box is appaerently also opt-in then.... |
| 10:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 10:07.26 | BugBlue | nokia.com/softwareupdate without a / |
| 10:07.44 | BugBlue | Ikarus: like thinking outside the box? :P |
| 10:07.46 | Ikarus | and clicking unsubscribe doesn't seem to unsubscribe |
| 10:07.55 | ghostcube | wow flashing is fast |
| 10:07.58 | Ikarus | BugBlue: :) |
| 10:08.00 | timeless_mbp | BugBlue: thanks, wow, they're clever |
| 10:08.03 | ghostcube | if i knew this yesterday i had done it direct :D |
| 10:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | "activate MyNokia?" [yes] [ok] [go ahead] [continue] |
| 10:08.34 | Ikarus | I don't need more spam |
| 10:08.36 | BugBlue | let me see how much this charges me on my phone bill later this week |
| 10:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | "deactivate MyNokia?" [no] [abort] [back] [exit] |
| 10:09.04 | Ikarus | BugBlue: if they are premium I am demanding money back from Nokia :P |
| 10:10.14 | BugBlue | 21 cents... seems to be normal SMS costs |
| 10:10.20 | Ikarus | yeah, looks like it |
| 10:10.28 | BugBlue | which means I lost 42 cents for this joke |
| 10:10.30 | timeless_mbp | it costs you 21c for 1 sms? |
| 10:10.36 | timeless_mbp | wow? |
| 10:10.38 | BugBlue | timeless_mbp: yes, I have no SMS plan |
| 10:10.41 | BugBlue | I *never* sms |
| 10:11.03 | BugBlue | timeless_mbp: I pay for roaming internet in the EU only 5 EUR/Day flat fee |
| 10:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | BugBlue: here in Germany some reseller sold Nokia smartphones with SIM contract with NO dataplan (means you pay by the KB), phone did a update and user had to pay 450EUR ;-P |
| 10:11.06 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: I have unlimited HSDPA, why would I want SMS (although mine are only 17 cents) |
| 10:11.15 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: youch |
| 10:11.16 | Shapeshifter | BugBlue: that is quite awesome |
| 10:11.23 | timeless_mbp | BugBlue: um |
| 10:11.28 | Ikarus | Shapeshifter: it's called T-mobile |
| 10:11.29 | BugBlue | Shapeshifter: Ikarus has the same plan I presume :-) |
| 10:11.30 | timeless_mbp | 5 EUR/day flat sounds amazing |
| 10:11.33 | timeless_mbp | does that include data? |
| 10:11.34 | Ikarus | BugBlue: yup |
| 10:11.37 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: ofcourse |
| 10:11.43 | timeless_mbp | **** |
| 10:11.44 | BugBlue | timeless_mbp: that's data roaming .. call roaming costs a lot more |
| 10:11.52 | timeless_mbp | ?! |
| 10:11.56 | Shapeshifter | who needs calls |
| 10:11.56 | timeless_mbp | i want your provider |
| 10:11.57 | BugBlue | timeless_mbp: that's why I call via SIP when abroad |
| 10:12.08 | BugBlue | Shapeshifter: I do... with SIP via 3G :P |
| 10:12.18 | timeless_mbp | if i roam for a week in Europe, i typically hit 1000EUR |
| 10:12.28 | Shapeshifter | whoa |
| 10:12.33 | BugBlue | if I roam for a week in europe I do hit about 35 EUR |
| 10:12.43 | timeless_mbp | (two phones) |
| 10:12.59 | BugBlue | my E51 uses my N900 for uplink |
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| 10:13.08 | timeless_mbp | actually maybe it's closer to two weeks |
| 10:13.23 | timeless_mbp | tries to calculate if 11 days is closer to 1 or 2 weeks :) |
| 10:13.48 | timeless_mbp | BugBlue: wifi sharing? |
| 10:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: ever considered Iridium or Suraya? They can't be any more expensive :-P |
| 10:13.56 | Ikarus | PAN I assmume |
| 10:14.00 | Ikarus | assume |
| 10:14.12 | timeless_mbp | Ikarus: n900 doesn't have pan out of the box.. |
| 10:14.19 | timeless_mbp | isn't even sure if s60 has pan support |
| 10:14.21 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: it has |
| 10:14.24 | BugBlue | timeless_mbp: wifi... but I now do have to upgrade the kernel again |
| 10:14.32 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: my laptop was just connected via bluetooth PAN |
| 10:14.45 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: what the N900 doesn't have is PAN client mode |
| 10:14.48 | BugBlue | off to lunch |
| 10:14.51 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: but it works as a gateway |
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| 10:15.06 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNWviK5z0Q |
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| 10:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: aiui both do even CSD data, suraya at an incredible price per minute of <0.3$ iirc |
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| 10:15.41 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 10:15.42 | Ikarus | it's what my fight with DBus is all about, getting my laptop to log on via PAN without using NetworkManager |
| 10:15.55 | timeless_mbp | what would that get me at 1.22USD = 1EUR for 1000EUR? |
| 10:16.25 | timeless_mbp | that's 3 days continuous use |
| 10:16.26 | vanad1s | f***, i guess i'm just gonna reflash the device |
| 10:16.29 | timeless_mbp | if i got my math right |
| 10:16.47 | timeless_mbp | that's about a week or so |
| 10:16.52 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: *shudder* |
| 10:17.02 | Ikarus | I am glad with my 5 euro a day limited plan |
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| 10:17.18 | timeless_mbp | Ikarus: as long as i don't go over 1000eur, it doesn't matter |
| 10:17.20 | Ikarus | even if I do have to call when they kick me down to dial up rates after some time |
| 10:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: not via satellite though :-P |
| 10:17.26 | Ikarus | timeless_mbp: your boss must be awesome |
| 10:17.30 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: heh |
| 10:17.30 | Trewas | data roaming can be somewhat expensive, for example upgrade to pr1.2 while roaming with finnish SIM in russia is about 1400 euros |
| 10:17.39 | Ikarus | Trewas: ... |
| 10:17.44 | Ikarus | Trewas: you haven't tried that right |
| 10:17.47 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 10:18.07 | Trewas | Ikarus: of course not, but I am going to visit there for a couple of days and checked the prices... now I know to be careful :) |
| 10:18.17 | Ikarus | Trewas: Russia is dead expensive roaming |
| 10:18.26 | Ikarus | 3 euro/minute stuff |
| 10:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: in Russia the few stupid have to pay for all the hacked phones to keep the service up and running :-P |
| 10:19.34 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: heheh |
| 10:19.58 | ghostcube | wow the flashing killed my sd card with all my backups on it |
| 10:20.00 | Trewas | 11 euros per megabyte in russia with DNA as operator, and it is not that much cheaper even in EU countries |
| 10:20.01 | ghostcube | -.- |
| 10:20.05 | Ikarus | ghostcube: then you did it WRONG |
| 10:20.23 | Ikarus | Trewas: uh, as said, BugBlue and me have 5 euro a day max unlimited EU roaming |
| 10:20.31 | Ikarus | Trewas: from T-mobile |
| 10:20.33 | ghostcube | Ikarus why should i ? |
| 10:20.55 | Ikarus | ghostcube: normally flashing doesn't touch your SD card or the /home and MyDocs sections |
| 10:21.03 | ghostcube | yeah my sd is killed |
| 10:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | considers to put BIG FAT WARNING to wiki, to remove SIM and uSD(!!!) before updating |
| 10:21.13 | ghostcube | its damaged i think its becaus of taken out the batterie |
| 10:21.27 | arachnist | DocScrutinizer: why remove sim? |
| 10:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: you're not the first one reporting such issue |
| 10:21.37 | ghostcube | damn |
| 10:21.41 | Ikarus | ghostcube: that is just bizarre |
| 10:21.52 | ghostcube | yep ... but it happened |
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| 10:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | arachnist: just to be on the safe side |
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| 10:22.49 | pupnik | my sim icon is dead. but i havent rebooted |
| 10:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | arachnist: there was a case yesterday where the contacts app crashed 2s after start, until all SIM borne contacts were deleted |
| 10:22.53 | loufoque_maemo | is it normal i'm still not offered OTA ? |
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| 10:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | arachnist: for obvious reasons I guess the erase was done on another phone |
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| 10:24.12 | ghostcube | ok, i need a new sd its broken |
| 10:24.16 | ghostcube | cant get access to it |
| 10:24.16 | Ikarus | but erm, reformatting the SD not sufficient ? |
| 10:24.45 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: is there a bug up on the N900 killing uSD and SIM cards ? |
| 10:24.48 | ghostcube | 40 euros for the trash |
| 10:24.58 | Ikarus | ghostcube: call Nokia |
| 10:25.03 | Shapeshifter | mhh. I installed openttd, openttd-data and openttd-opengfx and still, if I launch it, I get "Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat'". Do i really need to get the file manually from somewhere and place it somewhere else? I can't remember having done that when I installed openttd on PR1.1.1... |
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| 10:25.36 | Ikarus | (although they can argue that their EULA exempts them from this, most EU countries have laws banning such exclusions) |
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| 10:27.07 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmm has the ovi update happenned? http://www.cellbharat.com/blog/7774/nokia-n900-gets-version-1-2-firmware-update/ Suggests there is more content, cant see it at all though |
| 10:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: no, SIM contacts kill contacts app ocasionally. Also there were at least 2 reports about corrupted uSD now |
| 10:27.48 | visz | noobmonk3y, it's all lies |
| 10:27.55 | noobmonk3y | as per usual :P |
| 10:28.04 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: yes, but corrupt I get, but unable to recover even with formatting |
| 10:28.07 | Ikarus | I can't imagine how |
| 10:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not seen yet. Either card is borked from beginning, or a new partitioning and mkfs should recover it |
| 10:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | yet to see a SD card being eaten by a device completely |
| 10:32.42 | Shapeshifter | Mh. My desktops are kinda empty. there really aren't too many good widgets. any favourites? |
| 10:32.51 | noobmonk3y | laughs |
| 10:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: if the card's MBR is corrupt, it might not be mounted at all, and this resulting in FM doesn't show it |
| 10:33.14 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: yep seems so |
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| 10:33.20 | ghostcube | i calling nokia at the moment |
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| 10:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | I never tested how N900 handles uSD with corrupt MBR. Anyway I suggest you do a complete fresh format of the card on your PC |
| 10:34.49 | ghostcube | nokia told me, so i have used the maeomo flasing tool |
| 10:34.54 | ghostcube | they dont care if its borked |
| 10:35.01 | ghostcube | its not recommended |
| 10:35.04 | ghostcube | o.O |
| 10:35.11 | ghostcube | wtf |
| 10:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 10:35.19 | Stskeeps | well, the official way is NSU |
| 10:35.27 | noobmonk3y | throws a B0rked trout @ frals |
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| 10:35.35 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps: the official borked way? :) |
| 10:35.39 | frals | throws a whale at noobmonk3y |
| 10:35.47 | noobmonk3y | frals: interesting |
| 10:35.48 | tybollt | heh |
| 10:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | trows a galaxy at noobmonk3y and frals |
| 10:36.07 | noobmonk3y | throws frals at a whale |
| 10:36.13 | noobmonk3y | eats the galaxy |
| 10:36.14 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: i cant tell more they just told me dont use the flashing tool o maemo.org |
| 10:36.15 | noobmonk3y | farts |
| 10:36.23 | ghostcube | :| |
| 10:36.29 | tybollt | throws a noobmonk3y at the whale |
| 10:36.34 | noobmonk3y | giggles in mid air |
| 10:36.41 | Stskeeps | This software is work-in-progress and use of this software requires special skills and knowledge. The software and the instructions provided herein or with the software may not be complete. Improper use or installation of this software may harm the device you are installing it into, or the device you are using it with. By accepting the following License Agreement you also agree to use this software at your own risk and accept that ... |
| 10:36.48 | Stskeeps | ... Nokia assumes no liability and does not provide any warranties, support or services related to the software. |
| 10:36.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: I can't comment on that. I don't understand that |
| 10:37.17 | noobmonk3y | lmfao my n900 is jhonny 5 |
| 10:37.31 | tybollt | jhonny 5? |
| 10:37.31 | noobmonk3y | i'm watching it sit flat on a desk swapping between portrait and landscape on it's own |
| 10:37.41 | noobmonk3y | johnny5* alive! |
| 10:37.41 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: which is that? |
| 10:37.48 | noobmonk3y | (80's film) |
| 10:38.11 | ghostcube | number 5 lives |
| 10:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: OVI self destructor app |
| 10:38.39 | tybollt | Stskeeps: Everytime I read those disclaimers and what not I am thinking to myself they could just replace the text w/ "Hi customer - FUCK YOU! bye..." |
| 10:38.42 | timeless_mbp | thanks,, i think i'll pass :) |
| 10:39.03 | timeless_mbp | tybollt =~ s/customer/sucker/ |
| 10:39.13 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: best is i told the guy on the phon eoTA crashed and i need the flasing utility cause your nsu sux |
| 10:39.20 | ghostcube | he told me he cant do anything for me |
| 10:39.21 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: I'm astounded that they don't get people to actually read them. |
| 10:39.24 | noobmonk3y | tybollt: i think they would phrase it differently "Oh shit we have a customer.... what shall we do, run , run for the hillllllllllls!" |
| 10:39.27 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: customer == sucker >:) |
| 10:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: I hope he answered RTFW |
| 10:39.52 | tybollt | run tio the hills run for your liiiiiife.... |
| 10:39.56 | Ikarus | Stskeeps: guess what, those terms don't survive in most European courts |
| 10:39.56 | tybollt | aaah the nostalgia >:) |
| 10:39.58 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 |
| 10:39.59 | povbot` | Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. |
| 10:40.06 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: awesome |
| 10:40.27 | noobmonk3y | bug 10261 |
| 10:40.27 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. |
| 10:40.29 | noobmonk3y | meh |
| 10:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell ghostcube about flashing |
| 10:40.34 | noobmonk3y | bot's are on form today |
| 10:40.48 | noobmonk3y | ~tell frals where to stick his trouts |
| 10:40.53 | tybollt | ~tell tybollt to fuck off |
| 10:41.00 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: i did it this way upadte worked fine |
| 10:41.03 | ghostcube | only sd get killed |
| 10:41.06 | noobmonk3y | [11:40] <infobot> No, noobmonk3y, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 10:41.08 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 10:41.22 | tybollt | =) |
| 10:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: so please REFORMAT your SD |
| 10:41.37 | SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Killed - or erased? |
| 10:41.39 | noobmonk3y | throws bacon at lcuk |
| 10:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: ...as bitching about flasher tool won't help recover it |
| 10:41.53 | ghostcube | must check dont have an real card reader for usd |
| 10:42.05 | timeless_mbp | someone please send ian stirling a box of candies for me? |
| 10:42.11 | timeless_mbp | i'll send money to pay for the candy |
| 10:42.12 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: iam not bitchin about flaher tool nokia does lol |
| 10:42.24 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: why? |
| 10:42.34 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: the bug above ^^ |
| 10:42.52 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: and knowing you diss terva leijona - those candy are probably pretty icky tasty :P |
| 10:42.53 | timeless_mbp | that he actually read the license and spent the time to explain why it was totally broken |
| 10:42.55 | tybollt | tasting |
| 10:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: FWIW I added a warning to the wiki page |
| 10:43.08 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: i'd hope they'd send him candy he'd appreciate |
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| 10:43.14 | timeless_mbp | i'm not going to pay someone to send him poison! |
| 10:43.16 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: yeah thats good ! |
| 10:43.22 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: :-D |
| 10:43.23 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: do link to relevant bugs |
| 10:43.38 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: warnings without clear explaination are a scourge |
| 10:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: I don't even know if there are |
| 10:43.52 | Ikarus | heh, ask the affected uses |
| 10:43.55 | Ikarus | users |
| 10:43.58 | Ikarus | that is you ghostcube |
| 10:44.06 | corecode | apt-get clean was sufficient |
| 10:44.14 | corecode | dunno why that is on root |
| 10:44.16 | ghostcube | :) |
| 10:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | corecode: because apt isn't optified? |
| 10:46.34 | corecode | sad |
| 10:46.45 | timeless_mbp | corecode: we improved the stuff users should officially use |
| 10:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 10:46.49 | infobot | well, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 10:46.55 | timeless_mbp | not the stuff that happens to be there but isn't for general use |
| 10:47.00 | timeless_mbp | if we hack the underlying levels |
| 10:47.11 | timeless_mbp | then experts will complain that we messed with it |
| 10:47.21 | corecode | heh |
| 10:47.27 | corecode | silly experts :) |
| 10:47.31 | corecode | thanks anyhow |
| 10:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | create a decent dedicated partition on eMMC for /usr and /var, and nuke optification |
| 10:48.22 | RST38h | Doc: and then the whole system becomes even slower |
| 10:48.43 | timeless_mbp | and it might not boot |
| 10:48.52 | timeless_mbp | if it needs stuff from /usr before /usr is available |
| 10:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: possible, but not inevitably |
| 10:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: that's a simple matter of doing the init right |
| 10:49.44 | timeless_mbp | 'simple' |
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| 10:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: of course /usr is supposed to be mounted before init scripts access stuff from there |
| 10:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | btw that's the whole rationale of /usr |
| 10:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | always been |
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| 10:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | /usr per definitionem holds the stuff not needed for booting |
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| 10:51.47 | RST38h | "Symbian^3 to launch on non-Nokia handset, courtesy of 'Asian vendor'" |
| 10:52.09 | RST38h | suspects there is an internal war going on at Nokia |
| 10:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | init -s MUST succeed with a completely borked or even removed /usr drive |
| 10:52.27 | asj_ | RST38h: Nokla go go! ;) |
| 10:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | same for /home, and /var |
| 10:52.47 | RST38h | The only possible explanation for this part of news |
| 10:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason ~root is on / |
| 10:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | and not on /home |
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| 10:53.16 | SpeedEvil | timeless: As it happens - nokia is sending me money. But for a study on usability, and just the once. :) |
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| 10:54.54 | SpeedEvil | Also - anyone that can - substiting the candy for broken n900s :) |
| 10:55.16 | Stskeeps | dneary: thanks for the book recommendations, managed to get producing oss and art of community.. getting peopleware some other time |
| 10:55.36 | dneary | Stskeeps, Cool |
| 10:55.39 | dneary | Glad to help |
| 10:55.55 | Stskeeps | is good to put words on experiences |
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| 10:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: if you need to faststart a particular app that resides on /usr, you are free to symlink it back to /MyFaststartUsrAux/fastapp.a on NAND |
| 10:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | or simply move it from /usr/bin to /bin |
| 10:57.35 | Shapeshifter | Is there someway of telling where stuff will get installed to when doing an apt-get install? As in, I want to do apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins* but I want to see if everything will go to opt, first. |
| 10:58.07 | SpeedEvil | should libraries be optified? |
| 10:58.19 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: why not |
| 10:58.35 | SpeedEvil | I noticed a couple of packages in extras-testing that pulled in perhaps 10 meg of libraries onto / as dependancies |
| 10:58.38 | Shapeshifter | optified and symlinked |
| 10:58.41 | frals | heh, i like going from 21170 function calls (20851 primitive calls) in 13.204 CPU seconds to 20391 function calls (20072 primitive calls) in 3.848 CPU seconds |
| 10:58.58 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: the sheer fact you have to ask saddens me... what a total catastrophe this optification is :-| |
| 10:59.13 | tybollt | frals: ? what's that |
| 10:59.24 | frals | improved code :-) |
| 10:59.31 | noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: Healthcheck pulls in 40mb now ;) |
| 10:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: exactly. Though pymaemo-optify doesn't use symlinks, it uses bindmounts instead |
| 10:59.36 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: I mean - is libraries it pulls in being non-optified a reason for QA fail? |
| 11:00.09 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: if there is an option to fix the library I would say yes |
| 11:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell tybollt about optification |
| 11:00.59 | corecode | waits for update |
| 11:01.23 | corecode | DocScrutinizer: how is the usb host mode going? |
| 11:01.31 | achipa | SpeedEvil: depends on the lib. If they are your libs -> fail. Nokia's libs -> sigh and wave along |
| 11:01.41 | SpeedEvil | corecode: slow progress. |
| 11:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | sleeping for 2 days |
| 11:02.08 | SpeedEvil | achipa: I mean from a random app I go to install from testing - to evaluate for extras |
| 11:02.13 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: what are you on about? |
| 11:02.17 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I know that |
| 11:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | we got 2 new hackers to the club, which will need some time to catch up |
| 11:02.24 | tybollt | that doesn't change the fact :) |
| 11:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: just felt like... :-D sorry |
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| 11:02.56 | Shapeshifter | so. awesome. I did apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins* and after it unpacked most of the stuff it says "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-pplugins-ulgy_0.10.10.2-1maemo2_armel.deb E: Sub-process /usr7Bin/dpkg retuned an error code (1)". Oh why do people think that apt is awesome again? Can never hear enough of it. Just look at this highly descriptive error message... In any case, free ... |
| 11:03.02 | Shapeshifter | ... space on rootfs dropped from 90 to 81mb. apt-get clean doesn't change that fact. But apt didn't even install anything. |
| 11:03.31 | pvanhoof | When I click "Maemo5" in the application manager's update list, it tells me to use some software on my PC instead. What is this about? |
| 11:03.32 | achipa | SpeedEvil: that's what I say. If the libs are from Nokia, it's not a fail. If they are community libs, it's a fail (unless there is a very good reason/precedent why the given lib is not optified) |
| 11:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | and javispedro was a little busy the last few days |
| 11:03.48 | Shapeshifter | pvanhoof: conflicting packages or not enough space on rootfs |
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| 11:04.06 | pvanhoof | Shapeshifter, can I figure out which packages conflict? |
| 11:04.07 | achipa | SpeedEvil: for example most Qt libs are not optified, but it's not a QA fail to write Qt apps |
| 11:04.20 | Shapeshifter | pvanhoof: http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#How_to_find_out_about_conflicting_packages.3F |
| 11:04.29 | pvanhoof | rhanks |
| 11:04.45 | Shapeshifter | and where the hell are the apt logs? |
| 11:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:05.53 | SpeedEvil | achipa: yeah - it's just a hell of a pain to work out library ownership. |
| 11:06.05 | asj_ | grumbles, I wonder if I can get Nokai Messaging working again |
| 11:06.33 | pvanhoof | Shapeshifter, apt-get upgrade doesn't give me conflicts |
| 11:06.43 | pvanhoof | Shapeshifter, can I safely answer Y ? |
| 11:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | NOO! |
| 11:06.56 | pvanhoof | no worries, i didn't |
| 11:07.04 | Shapeshifter | pvanhoof: meh there's lots of room for failure. Just backup, then use flasher. |
| 11:07.15 | Shapeshifter | But seriously, how do I clean up this mess apt just made |
| 11:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | please see /topic |
| 11:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | RTFW |
| 11:07.25 | Shapeshifter | I fucking HATE apt. it's so broken. |
| 11:07.33 | zaheerm | pvanhoof, the biggest culprit seems to be libgles1-sgx-img |
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| 11:08.11 | visz | hmh |
| 11:08.11 | pvanhoof | aha |
| 11:08.13 | Shapeshifter | apt-get autoremove: "the following packages have unmet dependencies: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-dbg Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly blablabla |
| 11:08.17 | Shapeshifter | FAIL |
| 11:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: install find-utils (I *HATE* BUSYBOX!), the remove all files and drawers newer than xy |
| 11:08.36 | pvanhoof | zaheerm, aha brainparty |
| 11:08.37 | pvanhoof | that used that |
| 11:08.47 | pvanhoof | and tuxrace |
| 11:08.54 | visz | evopedia on n900 serves only one wiki-page. needs to be restarted for another |
| 11:08.54 | pvanhoof | ok, getting rid of those |
| 11:08.55 | zaheerm | pvanhoof, yep i had those 2 installed also :) |
| 11:09.34 | vanad1s | so, i gonna reflash my n900 |
| 11:09.47 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I doubt that'll work. I'd probably delete a couple of temp files from some hildon stuff or whatever and apt would be confused as to why the files are gone but still in the db and so on |
| 11:09.56 | vanad1s | how do i give it more space on rootfs? |
| 11:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: maybe |
| 11:10.10 | Shapeshifter | and where's the log file, anyway... |
| 11:10.13 | Shapeshifter | can't find it. |
| 11:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: but isn't apt already confused to hell |
| 11:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 11:10.37 | Shapeshifter | nah. it just failed while "unpacking" |
| 11:10.45 | Shapeshifter | and yeah it's confused. that's because it sucks |
| 11:10.49 | Shapeshifter | but I guess that's normal |
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| 11:11.25 | Shapeshifter | Don't tell me apt doesn't have a log file on maemo5... |
| 11:11.38 | pvanhoof | zaheerm, my new hero, that did it :) |
| 11:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: sure, it's stored in /dev/null/apt/ |
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| 11:11.58 | pvanhoof | now the app manager accepts the update |
| 11:12.02 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: xD |
| 11:12.10 | corecode | wow slow update |
| 11:12.13 | Shapeshifter | nah this is a joke isn't it |
| 11:12.15 | Shapeshifter | no log file? |
| 11:12.16 | Shapeshifter | .... |
| 11:12.26 | Shapeshifter | how is anyone supposed to know what's going on then |
| 11:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, just kidding. No idea |
| 11:12.51 | zaheerm | pvanhoof, enjoy the update :) |
| 11:13.05 | pvanhoof | thanks for the support zaheerm |
| 11:13.18 | pvanhoof | you should blog this :) |
| 11:14.13 | zaheerm | pvanhoof, lol it is in some talk.maemo.org thread, should be enough i think...i have blogged enough this past week |
| 11:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | pvanhoof: no, you should add it to http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting |
| 11:14.41 | Shapeshifter | oh god how stupid is this. unbelievable that there is a single person standing up for this rubbish package management system |
| 11:15.01 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, is it alright to pm you? |
| 11:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: go ahead |
| 11:15.50 | zaheerm | dockane, surely you want OTA-to_PR1.2_troubleshooting page created |
| 11:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | but don't sell me a new washing machine :-P |
| 11:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: I guess that's ETAB |
| 11:16.36 | vanad1s | reflashing finished, works perfectly |
| 11:16.41 | pvanhoof | docscrutinizer, will do |
| 11:16.48 | alterego | When's this Ovi update occuring any one know? |
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| 11:17.03 | zaheerm | alterego, depends if you believe nokia conversations blog |
| 11:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: sure a new page would be better, but then otoh I think the 1.1 version just needs little update and a change of the title |
| 11:17.58 | alterego | zaheerm: don't see anything on the blog? |
| 11:18.34 | hrw | sygic landed in ovi store |
| 11:18.36 | pvanhoof | added |
| 11:18.40 | alterego | I heard it was today .. |
| 11:19.00 | pvanhoof | update is installing |
| 11:19.04 | pvanhoof | nice :) |
| 11:19.09 | pvanhoof | exciting! |
| 11:19.16 | zaheerm | alterego, it said today.....but timeless says it isn't |
| 11:19.36 | sivang | is PR1.2 out already? ;) |
| 11:19.45 | alterego | zaheerm: ah, cool. Well, I'm not too bothered, would have been nice to try out some of those new games though. |
| 11:20.10 | zaheerm | sivang, the topic says it all |
| 11:20.11 | zaheerm | ;) |
| 11:20.16 | sivang | I hoped to try some of the OVI app wizard apps on N900, but the site said it is uncompatible |
| 11:20.19 | sivang | zaheerm: o :) |
| 11:20.56 | ghostcube | hola |
| 11:21.08 | ghostcube | i recognized the programms have an own backup list? |
| 11:21.20 | ghostcube | cool less work for damaged backup owners |
| 11:21.22 | ghostcube | :D |
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| 11:22.00 | ghostcube | o the only thing i lost now with the sd formating by what ever it was are my settings |
| 11:22.00 | sivang | how do I check my PR version again? |
| 11:22.04 | ghostcube | hmmm this is ok so far |
| 11:22.12 | ghostcube | menu systeminfo? |
| 11:22.27 | corecode | boot progress bar? |
| 11:22.30 | SpeedEvil | sivang: settings - about product |
| 11:23.04 | sivang | SpeedEvil: 3.2010.02-8 |
| 11:23.20 | sivang | wonders if he can cat /etc/lsb-release |
| 11:23.22 | sivang | :) |
| 11:23.26 | SpeedEvil | sivang: that's 1.2 |
| 11:23.36 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:23.42 | SpeedEvil | i mean 1.1.1 I think |
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| 11:23.48 | SpeedEvil | becomes confused. |
| 11:23.51 | sivang | SpeedEvil: so we need a translation table somewhere |
| 11:23.54 | sivang | hey timeless_mbp |
| 11:24.04 | sivang | timeless_mbp: How do you know what PR you have on the device? |
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| 11:24.09 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 11:24.12 | tybollt | yeah |
| 11:24.19 | lardman|gone | 10.2010.19-1 is PR1.2 |
| 11:24.20 | SpeedEvil | 1.2 is 10.2010.19 |
| 11:24.22 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 11:24.35 | lardman|gone | or at least the legacy version I flashed |
| 11:24.54 | corecode | \o/ updated |
| 11:25.28 | sivang | so I have to the OTA flasher if so? |
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| 11:25.35 | sivang | and can go onw tih the instructions ? |
| 11:25.37 | timeless_mbp | sivang: in "About" or "About Product" in Settings it'll tell you the version |
| 11:25.58 | sivang | timeless_mbp: yes, it just says a what is for me (and an iphoner) a cryptic version number :) |
| 11:26.08 | timeless_mbp | sivang: bugzilla has a table |
| 11:26.12 | sivang | lardman|gone: so the pR will be out in october? |
| 11:26.20 | timeless_mbp | i used to maintain a table in my blogs |
| 11:26.24 | timeless_mbp | and there was a wiki page |
| 11:26.33 | lardman|gone | sivang: ? It's out now |
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| 11:27.00 | sivang | lardman|gone: right, so even a "guess" at this cryptic version number yields nonsesne:) |
| 11:27.17 | timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Release_history |
| 11:27.21 | sivang | is P1.2 makes the device at least a bit faster? |
| 11:27.50 | SpeedEvil | sivang: Seemingly, in some aspects. |
| 11:28.36 | sivang | SpeedEvil: nice to hear, and the a fix for something I reported should be there, so I wanna test :) |
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| 11:29.06 | sivang | timeless_mbp: thanks dude |
| 11:29.44 | visz | meh |
| 11:29.56 | visz | extended call log app doesn't seem to work with 1.2 |
| 11:30.00 | ghostcube | this programm reinstall tool is fine folks :) |
| 11:30.05 | ghostcube | i have all back again |
| 11:32.37 | timeless_mbp | visz: eh |
| 11:32.42 | timeless_mbp | iirc it did stuff for me |
| 11:32.47 | tybollt | argh |
| 11:32.51 | tybollt | hates at nookla |
| 11:33.03 | jaska | mokia?:) |
| 11:33.12 | timeless_mbp | visz: yeah, extended call log works fine here |
| 11:33.29 | ivan4th | FYI: I've managed to upgrade repartitioned N900 with /usr on eMMC (it was done long ago on PR1.0 according to ruskie's instructions). the command was apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1 osso-wlan=3.0.17+0m5 Before rebooting, I've merged changes in /etc/init.d/rcS and kept /etc/event.d/rcS-late that was before upgrade |
| 11:34.11 | ivan4th | changes in /etc/event.d/rcS-late in PR1.2 seem to be related to optification which I don't need |
| 11:34.33 | Shapeshifter | ivan4th: aint that awfully slow at times? |
| 11:35.00 | ivan4th | Shapeshifter: mostly during reboots, but I don't reboot often |
| 11:37.25 | krakan_ | 1337 |
| 11:37.37 | timeless_mbp | visz: what version of extended call log are you using? |
| 11:37.39 | timeless_mbp | i have 0.4 |
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| 11:38.44 | Stskeeps | mm, i need some kind of very simple wiki hosting place, ideally without signup, just some |
| 11:38.47 | Stskeeps | for one page |
| 11:38.52 | Stskeeps | any recommendations? |
| 11:39.37 | alterego | wikipedia? :) |
| 11:39.51 | alterego | Stskeeps: what's the nature of the pagE? |
| 11:40.00 | Wolfie | Stskeeps: github? |
| 11:40.05 | Stskeeps | alterego: semi-private temporary collaboration, text |
| 11:40.14 | smoku | ivan4th: what is the advantage of this setup? |
| 11:40.23 | smoku | Stskeeps: wikia.com ? |
| 11:40.25 | alterego | Stskeeps: google docs? |
| 11:40.46 | alterego | I'm not talking out of experience though, I personally don't use any google services. |
| 11:41.07 | alterego | But I've heard people use things like docs and other services I think they even have a whiteboard of some sorts. |
| 11:41.26 | Wolfie | i guess google wave should work well for collaboration |
| 11:41.28 | tybollt | At least googlers provides OTA calendar |
| 11:41.33 | tybollt | ¤)%&!¤"#(%"#= nokia doesn't :-| |
| 11:41.35 | tybollt | )%(!"#¤%()?"? |
| 11:41.59 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:42.05 | Shapeshifter | mh. since PR1.2 something keeps resetting my xkbmap to something like en_US I'm guessing. I want "ch". I use the same minor modifications to rx-51 as with PR1.1.1 and I'm 100% sure that they're not the problem. |
| 11:42.12 | tybollt | MohammadAG: yes!? |
| 11:42.12 | Shapeshifter | anyone else experiencing this? |
| 11:42.28 | MohammadAG | tybollt, &!&&#+$, in short, yes |
| 11:42.35 | tybollt | dips MohammadAG in chocolate and throws him to the lesbians... |
| 11:42.36 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, haven't changed them |
| 11:42.43 | tybollt | MohammadAG: ah sorry, yes |
| 11:42.43 | MohammadAG | o.O |
| 11:43.04 | MohammadAG | tybollt, sorry for what? |
| 11:43.11 | tybollt | hehe :) |
| 11:43.19 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:43.26 | corecode | anybody found out what the "join chat room" thing does in conversations? |
| 11:44.27 | timeless_mbp | corecode: it should work if you use skype |
| 11:44.37 | corecode | no skype |
| 11:44.37 | timeless_mbp | to let you join a skype group chat |
| 11:44.39 | corecode | xmpp |
| 11:44.52 | corecode | ohhm |
| 11:45.02 | corecode | now it is twiddling |
| 11:45.40 | tybollt | "join chat room" -> first step to being arrested by FBI on grouns of misconduct w/ children >:) |
| 11:45.46 | MohammadAG | i'm really not sure who crippled the convos app |
| 11:46.24 | MohammadAG | it scrolls up on its own and / commands don't work |
| 11:46.58 | noobmonk3y | OooooooooooooOOooo one new app on ovi store - go Nokia :P lol |
| 11:47.34 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: can you verify bug 6141 for me? :) |
| 11:47.35 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6141 "Maemo Software" should be "Maemo Devices" |
| 11:47.43 | tybollt | noobmonk3y: seriously? that's it? "new and improved ovi store" = one new app? |
| 11:47.56 | noobmonk3y | tybollt: pretty sure they havnt actually done anything yet |
| 11:47.58 | tybollt | bug 666 |
| 11:47.59 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function |
| 11:48.02 | noobmonk3y | or if they even are lol |
| 11:48.10 | noobmonk3y | bug 1 |
| 11:48.11 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 11:48.15 | noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooo |
| 11:48.18 | tybollt | bug 99999999999 |
| 11:48.19 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99999999999 was not found. |
| 11:48.28 | noobmonk3y | the bug was not found or the device was not found? |
| 11:48.43 | tybollt | =D |
| 11:48.43 | Corsac | bug -1 |
| 11:48.51 | kehna | Guys I can't seem to back up my n900 or install new applications, Is there a way to back up stuff manually such as my contacts list? |
| 11:49.09 | tybollt | *** povbot` connection reset by peer |
| 11:49.10 | timeless_mbp | kehna: technically, yes |
| 11:49.11 | tybollt | ;) |
| 11:49.12 | noobmonk3y | kehna - how good are you at leaching sql db's? |
| 11:49.12 | SpeedEvil | kehna: Do you have a SD card? |
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| 11:49.15 | tybollt | bug 1 |
| 11:49.16 | timeless_mbp | kehna: do you have a usb cable attached? |
| 11:49.25 | kehna | I have the usb cable |
| 11:49.29 | timeless_mbp | is it attached? |
| 11:49.30 | tybollt | Corsac: I think you killed povbot =) |
| 11:49.31 | kehna | yes |
| 11:49.35 | Corsac | naah |
| 11:49.41 | timeless_mbp | because it's hard to back up data when you have no volumes available |
| 11:49.43 | tybollt | bug 3127 |
| 11:49.43 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3127 *.maemo.org goes to repository.maemo.org |
| 11:49.48 | tybollt | argh :) |
| 11:49.53 | plastun | hello! what is the best: making symbolic link to /opt/... using debina/rules or opstins script? |
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| 11:49.55 | timeless_mbp | and volumes typically are exported to your pc when you use the usb cable |
| 11:50.02 | plastun | *debian |
| 11:50.07 | Shapeshifter | mh. how do I initiate a skype video call? I only see "skype call" in the contact, and if I do that I can't enable the camera |
| 11:50.12 | kehna | through pc suite? |
| 11:50.15 | plastun | *postinst |
| 11:50.27 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: if you're in a skype call you can tap the title area to try to start video |
| 11:50.32 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, the other party needs to have a vid cam |
| 11:50.35 | Shapeshifter | ah |
| 11:50.37 | timeless_mbp | but normally you'd want to find someone who advertises a video camera |
| 11:50.42 | timeless_mbp | in which case you'd see a 3rd item |
| 11:50.42 | Shapeshifter | I can't see "skype IM" either |
| 11:50.48 | MohammadAG | (well for the option to show in there) |
| 11:50.49 | timeless_mbp | note that you can't advertise camera when you aren't online |
| 11:50.55 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, the person hates you |
| 11:51.02 | Shapeshifter | she uses skype for linux |
| 11:51.03 | timeless_mbp | i know, it's stupid, you can't leave video voicemail via skype |
| 11:51.14 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, she hates you :P |
| 11:51.16 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: get her wine-skype or windows :) |
| 11:51.18 | Shapeshifter | oh noes |
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| 11:52.21 | ivan4th | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:53.19 | noobmonk3y | i think there is confusion on the ovi update - as May 27 last year Ovi store was updated, i bet you someone is regurgitating last years news without reading the date |
| 11:53.20 | ruskie | hmm I guess I don't know how to use feeding it |
| 11:55.30 | SpeedEvil | ivan4th: I cheated |
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| 11:56.23 | SpeedEvil | ivan4th: cp -ax / /home/user/data/chroot |
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| 11:56.45 | visz | timeless_mbp, ah, i have version 0.3 |
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| 11:58.12 | timeless_mbp | visz: should you perhaps check for updates? :) |
| 11:58.21 | timeless_mbp | or maybe i need to vote to promote it out |
| 11:59.05 | visz | 0.3 is the version on maemo-extras |
| 11:59.25 | MohammadAG | lcuk, how many MBs did build-essential use up? |
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| 12:05.26 | visz | timeless_mbp, 0.4 seems to be working |
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| 12:06.44 | timeless_mbp | visz: =) |
| 12:07.03 | timeless_mbp | visz: so 0.4 isn't promoted? |
| 12:07.06 | timeless_mbp | let's fix that! :) |
| 12:07.14 | timeless_mbp | help, how do we promote something? :) |
| 12:07.45 | visz | extras-devel also had working conversations inbox desktop widget |
| 12:08.18 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 12:09.09 | visz | 1.1.1 vs. 1.0.4 in extras |
| 12:09.33 | visz | latter one didn't run on PR 1.2 |
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| 12:10.10 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm |
| 12:10.17 | timeless_mbp | help, how does one get http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/extcalllog/0.4/ promoted? |
| 12:10.31 | timeless_mbp | do we have to beg the maintainer? |
| 12:10.31 | noobmonk3y | Angry birds description on ovi says - "Each of the 21 levels requires logic, skill, and brute force " - am i right in assume thats bollocks, and there is only 3 levels? |
| 12:10.33 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:10.46 | MohammadAG | 21 levels |
| 12:10.53 | tybollt | 3 levels |
| 12:10.56 | tybollt | then YOU PAY |
| 12:10.59 | MohammadAG | 21! |
| 12:11.01 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 12:11.03 | tybollt | ;) |
| 12:11.07 | MohammadAG | 21 without paying here |
| 12:11.12 | Wolfie | no, there's 21 levels, then you can (eventually, i hope) buy two level packs more |
| 12:11.13 | noobmonk3y | 21?! |
| 12:11.20 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 12:11.21 | noobmonk3y | omfg - i need to re-dload back later! |
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| 12:11.46 | Wolfie | well, it's just one level pack, but there's 2x21 levels in that |
| 12:12.20 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.nokia.com/ovi-store-promo/ kinda stupid, they could've made them linked to an .install file to update |
| 12:12.48 | SpeedEvil | And 63 levels is not enough! |
| 12:13.13 | SpeedEvil | I was at the point of trying to beat my high-scores of ***'d levels. |
| 12:13.18 | MohammadAG | there are 2 more packs afaik |
| 12:13.25 | noobmonk3y | has bounce got better yet? hehe |
| 12:13.40 | noobmonk3y | hmmm no update for me :| |
| 12:13.41 | MohammadAG | yeah, it bounces a bit higher now |
| 12:13.46 | noobmonk3y | unless they mean pr1.2? |
| 12:13.57 | MohammadAG | nah, my user agent is borked |
| 12:15.36 | pigeon | oh, new ovi store out already? |
| 12:15.56 | nidO | no |
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| 12:16.16 | tybollt | they said day after 1.2 release |
| 12:16.17 | tybollt | so. |
| 12:16.26 | timeless_mbp | they lie :) |
| 12:16.35 | Wolfie | i just wish someone would get off their asses and re-re-put the angry birds pack back online |
| 12:17.07 | pigeon | i'm looking forward to that roller coaster game too |
| 12:17.26 | MohammadAG | same |
| 12:18.01 | MohammadAG | not sure if i'll actually play it, but the graphics chip is kinda wasted |
| 12:18.01 | nidO | im still really happy with spb brain evolution that showed up on ovi a week or two ago |
| 12:18.26 | MohammadAG | oh? |
| 12:18.38 | tybollt | "I'm still happy there is now an (one!) app on ovi store" |
| 12:18.40 | tybollt | yeah... |
| 12:18.41 | tybollt | wow |
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| 12:24.38 | Netrum | Hi all :) |
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| 12:25.41 | noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooo |
| 12:25.45 | noobmonk3y | I r Angry Birding lol |
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| 12:26.27 | MohammadAG | does them andry bird sounds |
| 12:27.58 | Netrum | i installed ubuntu to flash my phone. and i havent touched windows since. starting to like this more and more :) |
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| 12:33.32 | Netrum | is there a ovi suite type of program for linux? |
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| 12:33.46 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, ping? |
| 12:34.04 | tybollt | MohammadAG: "andry bird sounds"? android bird sounds??? |
| 12:34.33 | MohammadAG | angry :) |
| 12:34.33 | Netrum | you guys bored or something ? |
| 12:34.40 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:34.45 | MohammadAG | nah |
| 12:34.48 | tybollt | =) |
| 12:34.53 | MohammadAG | just got home from an epic MW2 game |
| 12:34.56 | MohammadAG | got a nuke |
| 12:35.23 | Netrum | never played that game online :) |
| 12:36.30 | MohammadAG | tbh i never played any cod game online, then someone invited me into a game and now i'm at lvl 70 :) |
| 12:37.22 | Netrum | i havent played anything online since eve in may last year. |
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| 12:38.03 | Netrum | and recently the only game i've played is mahjong on the n900 |
| 12:38.10 | SpeedEvil | Hmm... |
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| 12:38.26 | SpeedEvil | wonders why anything accessing /home/ is deadlocking. |
| 12:38.45 | SpeedEvil | The processes show as 'D' in ps |
| 12:39.16 | SpeedEvil | And nothing in dmesg |
| 12:40.25 | jaska | overclocks the 7700 running wiki.maemo.org |
| 12:40.33 | jaska | s/7700/770/ |
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| 12:44.11 | auenf | Netrum, why not play tetris, its in portrait mode ;) |
| 12:44.23 | auenf | it is (was?) in portrait mode on n810 also |
| 12:45.09 | adeus | yeah Mahjong |
| 12:45.15 | adeus | I'm hooked playing it |
| 12:45.28 | Scelt | is anyone else having problem with power management that opening up keyboard opens properly the screen but putting it back again doesn't lock the screen as it used? |
| 12:46.58 | auenf | isnt that by design? |
| 12:47.07 | timeless_mbp | Scelt: at least for my basic test, that works |
| 12:47.28 | timeless_mbp | steps: 1. close keyboard. 2. use hardware slider to lock screen. 3. open keyboard. 4. close keyboard |
| 12:47.33 | timeless_mbp | actual result: screen is off |
| 12:47.40 | TheGerman | yay, boot loop :D |
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| 12:47.57 | auenf | but if you do something, it doesnt lock, which iirc is by design |
| 12:48.08 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, that's the expected result |
| 12:48.15 | Scelt | timeless_mbp: seems to work now :> don't know what happened. I tested it like dozen times |
| 12:48.17 | MohammadAG | it prevents accidental slides |
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| 12:49.42 | auenf | if you (start closed): lock device, open slider, tap dashboard, close slider |
| 12:49.51 | TheGerman | wow, it comes up, after upgrading without flashing, but it shows strange effects :D |
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| 12:50.05 | auenf | it doesnt turn the screen off, which afaik is by design |
| 12:50.53 | KMFDM | anyone able to help me troubleshoot an issue with the NSU |
| 12:51.16 | zogg_laptop | timeless_mbp, have you talked to him? |
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| 12:51.38 | timeless_mbp | ? |
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| 12:52.00 | Shapeshifter | mh. I can't un-capitalise letters at the beginning of a sentence anymore. shift+letter or shift, pause, letter don't make it lower case anymore since PR1.2 |
| 12:52.18 | Shapeshifter | I have to do something like Oo-left-backspace to get "o" |
| 12:52.27 | Shapeshifter | Oo-left-backspace-right actually |
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| 12:52.56 | Scelt | Shapeshifter: reported bug |
| 12:52.57 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I use space, noticed that too |
| 12:53.05 | Scelt | bug 10310 |
| 12:53.05 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift |
| 12:53.10 | Shapeshifter | okay |
| 12:53.20 | Shapeshifter | funny that they didn't notice this in 3 months of testing |
| 12:53.44 | Scelt | yea :( |
| 12:54.18 | MohammadAG | i noticed it with the sdk packages a month ago |
| 12:54.25 | KMFDM | my nokia software updater refuses to finish downloading hte new firmware |
| 12:54.26 | MohammadAG | but thought it might not be final :/ |
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| 12:54.38 | KMFDM | even with another phone it tries to resume a download at 33.6megs and then fails |
| 12:54.45 | KMFDM | if i knew where it temporarily saves firmware images |
| 12:54.52 | KMFDM | i assume i could delete the failed download and get it to work |
| 12:55.02 | KMFDM | but it doesn't save the temporary download in a standard location |
| 12:55.06 | KMFDM | and it fails to resume it |
| 12:55.09 | KMFDM | even with a different phone |
| 12:55.15 | KMFDM | (also an n900) |
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| 12:55.23 | KMFDM | it attempts to resume the same failed download |
| 12:55.27 | MohammadAG | which OS? |
| 12:55.30 | KMFDM | windows |
| 12:55.34 | KMFDM | nokia software updater |
| 12:55.35 | KMFDM | xp |
| 12:55.44 | KMFDM | sp3 32bit |
| 12:55.45 | MohammadAG | it's in common data afaik |
| 12:56.10 | KMFDM | common data? |
| 12:56.13 | KMFDM | whee is that? |
| 12:56.16 | pigeon | hmm, the new HAM has no sort? |
| 12:56.31 | MohammadAG | not sure on xp |
| 12:56.41 | KMFDM | this is the nokia software updater |
| 12:56.41 | Disconnect | I learned the hard way not to trust the backup app. for some unknown reason the n900 saved a bunch of the photos (an entire bachelor/wedding trips worth of candids in fact) to the main storage. then didn't back them up (cuz, you know, who wants anything as useless as PICTURES?) |
| 12:56.44 | KMFDM | there isn't one for linux |
| 12:56.48 | MohammadAG | KMFDM, look up a how to hack a 5800 |
| 12:56.49 | Disconnect | just a warning for anyone else doing an upgrade.. |
| 12:57.02 | MohammadAG | it should tell you where the files are |
| 12:57.10 | MohammadAG | or use flasher-3.5 on linux |
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| 12:57.56 | zogg_laptop | who tried meego on n900? |
| 12:58.26 | MohammadAG | not interested enough |
| 12:58.46 | zogg_laptop | i want to see screenies of twm |
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| 12:59.14 | MohammadAG | twm? |
| 12:59.20 | MohammadAG | isn't it only an X server now? |
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| 13:00.15 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, nope as i understand |
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| 13:00.25 | KMFDM | MohammadAG, the image is not on the phone yet |
| 13:00.28 | KMFDM | its on my computer |
| 13:00.31 | zogg_laptop | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_tricks/TWM_WM |
| 13:00.47 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 13:00.48 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 13:01.07 | zogg_laptop | KMFDM, it should be on the computer ^ read what bot said |
| 13:01.14 | zogg_laptop | ~pr1.2 |
| 13:01.14 | infobot | well, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 13:01.31 | zogg_laptop | ~nokia |
| 13:01.32 | infobot | nokia is, like, a cellphone company from Finland. |
| 13:01.35 | KMFDM | ive read through all that 30 times |
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| 13:01.51 | KMFDM | it does not tell me where the nokia sofware updater saves its temporary firmware downloa |
| 13:01.55 | KMFDM | which is where my issue is |
| 13:02.09 | GAN900 | KMFDM, why is that your issue? |
| 13:02.12 | sx0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.21 | SpeedEvil | ~finland |
| 13:02.22 | infobot | finland is probably some bloody scandinavian icicle, or nice place to live in :} |
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| 13:02.36 | sx0n | :) |
| 13:02.39 | KMFDM | GAN900, the NSU attempts to resume a failed download at 33.6mb complete teach time |
| 13:02.44 | KMFDM | then throws a failed download error |
| 13:02.47 | KMFDM | and does this teach time |
| 13:02.56 | KMFDM | b/c the server went down when it was attempting the first download |
| 13:03.06 | zogg_laptop | KMFDM, you get img, you run flasher with command from wiki, you connect phone and do what it said on wiki, voullla |
| 13:03.10 | tybollt | hmmm |
| 13:03.18 | tybollt | maybe I should install meego tonight? |
| 13:03.24 | noobmonk3y | prods frals |
| 13:03.27 | noobmonk3y | pokes MohammadAG |
| 13:03.29 | GAN900 | KMFDM, then don't use NSU? |
| 13:03.37 | GAN900 | KMFDM, why not update on device? |
| 13:03.42 | KMFDM | that fails |
| 13:03.45 | KMFDM | i have too much crap installed |
| 13:03.48 | GAN900 | KMFDM, or use the flasher if that doesn't work. |
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| 13:03.50 | KMFDM | and can't tell what is optified and what isn't |
| 13:03.53 | GAN900 | NSU sucks |
| 13:04.06 | zogg_laptop | kmfdm, just wait for pr1.3 |
| 13:04.07 | tybollt | Is there a way to turn off |
| 13:04.08 | Scelt | http://research.nokia.com/news/549 |
| 13:04.11 | GAN900 | ~flasher |
| 13:04.12 | infobot | rumour has it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 13:04.18 | Scelt | sx0n: The text featured on a PowerPoint presentation at Motorola some years ago bluntly described how America's top cell phone maker lost global leadership in the 1990s: "So, what happened? A little known rubber-boot company from Finland kicked our butt." |
| 13:04.28 | GAN900 | Follow the instructions for the commandline flasher. |
| 13:04.50 | GAN900 | Scelt, now Nokia is a joke in the US. |
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| 13:05.14 | Scelt | GAN900: sure. thanks to apple and google. motorola should be dead already |
| 13:05.34 | MohammadAG | what's motorolalala? |
| 13:05.35 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 13:05.59 | ghostcube | KMFDM: take out your sd card before you flash the device |
| 13:06.12 | MohammadAG | why |
| 13:06.28 | ghostcube | it can be killed liek mine and nokia says we dont care |
| 13:06.32 | ghostcube | :) |
| 13:06.39 | MohammadAG | cause it's not because of flasher |
| 13:06.42 | MohammadAG | or flashing |
| 13:06.45 | ghostcube | it is |
| 13:06.47 | MohammadAG | don't blame it on flasher |
| 13:06.52 | MohammadAG | got proof of that? |
| 13:06.54 | ghostcube | i flashed and my sd card was clean like a baby popo |
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| 13:07.06 | ghostcube | yeah it worked before the flashing with ota update |
| 13:07.20 | tybollt | MohammadAG: s/canada/flasher/? |
| 13:07.26 | zogg_laptop | hahah |
| 13:07.27 | MohammadAG | and how did you deduce it's because of the update? |
| 13:07.38 | zogg_laptop | tybollt, dnot nice |
| 13:07.39 | ghostcube | the same happened for 1.1.1 |
| 13:07.47 | MohammadAG | hardware defect then |
| 13:07.48 | ghostcube | but there i could change the card at amazon |
| 13:07.55 | ghostcube | nope new card guy |
| 13:08.02 | zogg_laptop | ghostcube, yu should call ghostbusters |
| 13:08.03 | MohammadAG | N900 hw defect... |
| 13:08.08 | tybollt | zogg_laptop: You from .ca? :) |
| 13:08.13 | ghostcube | nope n900 works fine |
| 13:08.22 | zogg_laptop | tybollt, thank's g-d no |
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| 13:08.27 | MohammadAG | ghostcube, no one had your problem |
| 13:08.36 | tybollt | |
| 13:08.37 | tybollt | ' |
| 13:08.40 | KMFDM | ha i found the failed download by searching for rx51 |
| 13:08.42 | ghostcube | thtas incorrect |
| 13:08.49 | KMFDM | it was in G:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Nokia\Nokia Service Layer\A\nsl_service_module_00001\vpls\www.dsut.online.nokia.com.oti.caresuite\Products\rx-51 |
| 13:08.56 | zogg_laptop | tybollt, same place as MohammadAG, different country =)) |
| 13:09.03 | KMFDM | deleting the failed download did indeed fix the issue |
| 13:09.07 | KMFDM | my phone is upgrading |
| 13:09.10 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 13:09.19 | MohammadAG | NSU is kinda... stupidj |
| 13:09.19 | zogg_laptop | KMFDM, format c: and than get ubuntu live cd |
| 13:09.32 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 13:09.32 | wazd | hello people :) |
| 13:09.39 | wazd | Stskeeps: around? :) |
| 13:09.41 | ghostcube | MohammadAG: btw there is an announce on the flöasher page for this what happened to me |
| 13:09.45 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, how would he burn the disc w/o windows? |
| 13:09.45 | zogg_laptop | wazd 'uuuuup? |
| 13:09.49 | ghostcube | take out sd card ! |
| 13:09.55 | wazd | zogg: o/ |
| 13:09.58 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, with laser eyes |
| 13:10.26 | zogg_laptop | wazd, so let's make habrapp for maemo =) |
| 13:10.27 | MohammadAG | ghostcube, i've never had problems with my SD card in while updating |
| 13:10.30 | MohammadAG | or flashing |
| 13:10.39 | ghostcube | iam not the only one.. so something must be a problem |
| 13:10.41 | zogg_laptop | i don't have sd card |
| 13:10.42 | MohammadAG | and I've flashed more than 35 times now |
| 13:10.46 | KMFDM | zogg_laptop, i also run ubuntu on this computer, but NSU is easier |
| 13:11.02 | zogg_laptop | KMFDM, flash took 3 mins |
| 13:11.05 | zogg_laptop | evn less |
| 13:11.07 | wazd | zogg: I thought they have pretty pathetic API |
| 13:11.14 | zogg_laptop | no windows anywhere |
| 13:11.17 | wazd | zogg: no commenting and stuff |
| 13:11.51 | zogg_laptop | wazd, highlight here, desktop in other room would be pissed off if it knows i'm using laptop |
| 13:12.22 | zogg_laptop | wazd, it was joke, just can't stand it anymore, al these droid news all over it, damn habrahabr |
| 13:12.47 | zogg_laptop | wazd r u from ua or ru? |
| 13:13.40 | wazd | zogg_laptop: moscow :) |
| 13:13.41 | pupnik | hopes he never has to reboot |
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| 13:14.58 | zogg_laptop | http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ |
| 13:15.09 | zogg_laptop | 2d ui for n900? |
| 13:15.16 | zogg_laptop | or maybe not =) |
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| 13:17.14 | hrw | zogg_laptop: it is more for 1024x600+ resolutions |
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| 13:21.27 | MohammadAG | hrw, nope, should work on the N900 |
| 13:22.05 | thresh | doh metromap is painfully slow |
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| 13:23.12 | hrw | MohammadAG: I know that it can work. I saw it on 800x480 screen already |
| 13:27.41 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Hi |
| 13:27.56 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, hi |
| 13:28.06 | fiferboy | Did I fix all the tabs in my patch? |
| 13:28.34 | ftrvxmtrx | no, but I fixed them in git rebase -i :) |
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| 13:29.50 | fiferboy | Oops. I really should have changed that in VIM before starting on the code |
| 13:30.01 | ftrvxmtrx | btw, help message box doesn't rotate even if created with parent set |
| 13:30.21 | ftrvxmtrx | I think it's because the string is too long |
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| 13:30.48 | fiferboy | Hmm, it worked for me. Both with the win message and lose message |
| 13:30.52 | fiferboy | In English, that is. |
| 13:31.11 | tybollt | oh that is just lovely |
| 13:31.19 | tybollt | you can "merge" contacts on your mobile |
| 13:31.20 | ftrvxmtrx | yes, this box work fine, but another one, which shows help message, doesn't |
| 13:31.25 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: You could change it to a QMaemo5InformationBox and see if that works in portrait and landscape |
| 13:31.27 | tybollt | but yOU CAN'T FUCKING UNMERGE THEM |
| 13:31.29 | tybollt | %!)#%"(=%="#¤) |
| 13:31.38 | fiferboy | Ah, the help message one. I didn't look at that. |
| 13:32.17 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, yep, QMaemo5InformationBox rotates as it should, but it doesn't show whole string, only part of it |
| 13:32.28 | ftrvxmtrx | I will investigate it later |
| 13:35.32 | MohammadAG | tybollt, watch your fscking language |
| 13:35.44 | MohammadAG | we have kids in here *points at noobmonk3y* |
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| 13:38.03 | tybollt | MohammadAG: :-( I am crying now |
| 13:38.10 | tybollt | MohammadAG: kplzthks?! |
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| 13:38.16 | zogg_laptop | tybollt, that makes me feel good |
| 13:38.20 | tybollt | :) |
| 13:38.28 | MohammadAG | tybollt, lies |
| 13:38.36 | zogg_laptop | at least someone feels terrible as me |
| 13:38.44 | tybollt | zogg_laptop: what's up? |
| 13:38.49 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, stfu, you don't understand the meaning of life |
| 13:39.01 | zogg_laptop | tybollt, terrible, everything is terrible |
| 13:39.03 | tybollt | tried leveling w/ mohammad - or else he'd throw frals at me... :P |
| 13:39.13 | MohammadAG | there is no life, we're all in one huge matrix |
| 13:39.17 | tybollt | zogg_laptop: why what happened? |
| 13:39.33 | MohammadAG | nontheless throws frals at tybollt |
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| 13:40.03 | MohammadAG | in all seriousness, zogg_laptop what's wrong? |
| 13:40.04 | zogg_laptop | tybollt, exams, army, some shit i need to do, driver test failure, work, don't have time to finish something(so wouldn't get 1k$) |
| 13:40.07 | zogg_laptop | terrible |
| 13:40.12 | MohammadAG | exams? |
| 13:40.26 | tybollt | zogg_laptop: :-/ Army? Where you at? |
| 13:40.37 | MohammadAG | driver test failure, I'm not surprised, a friend got it @ 6th try |
| 13:40.44 | MohammadAG | IL sucks :) |
| 13:40.53 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i have reserve army at the time of the exams of colledge |
| 13:40.59 | tybollt | ah IL |
| 13:41.00 | tybollt | yeah |
| 13:41.10 | tybollt | general draft in IL is pretty menacing |
| 13:41.33 | tybollt | from what I heard you can't easily get out of the draft in .il by faking madness or faking gayness or such? |
| 13:41.37 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, aren't you 27-ish? |
| 13:41.38 | zogg_laptop | MohamemadAG, it was fine first 3 times (they just need one not to pass) b, but this time it was really my mistake |
| 13:41.54 | zogg_laptop | oh and i need to find new appartment and don't have time and money to move there |
| 13:42.07 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, 24 this month |
| 13:42.14 | MohammadAG | oh that life, nope i'm still 16 :/ |
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| 13:42.31 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, stay like that |
| 13:42.33 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, doesn't the army crap finish @ 20? |
| 13:42.42 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, are you going t army? i suppose .... |
| 13:42.45 | MohammadAG | well, forced army, or w/e it's called |
| 13:42.52 | MohammadAG | not that i know of |
| 13:43.02 | MohammadAG | don't have an IL passport |
| 13:43.12 | zogg_laptop | meh |
| 13:43.18 | MohammadAG | so I'll stay as an amateur terrorist for the time |
| 13:43.25 | zogg_laptop | the situation between our nation sucks |
| 13:43.33 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Patch sent :) |
| 13:43.35 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, haha =) |
| 13:43.48 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, get a match and throw it at the local nuke armory |
| 13:43.55 | tybollt | 7nick mossad |
| 13:44.01 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i would joke, but probably mossad are watching us, and they wouldn't understand =) |
| 13:44.19 | MohammadAG | there are logs, and they're public |
| 13:44.31 | MohammadAG | (hi mossad) :) |
| 13:44.34 | MohammadAG | anyways |
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| 13:45.02 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, scratch that idea, i wouldn't see PR1.3 |
| 13:45.08 | zogg_laptop | mossad@idf.gov.il ~ cat maemo.log |grep terrorist |grep Mohammad |
| 13:45.18 | pupnik | i wonder what the problem with fbcon and pr1.2 is |
| 13:45.43 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i'll bring it to you to the prison ... in my arse |
| 13:45.46 | ghostcube | grml pokerth is devel grml |
| 13:45.50 | ghostcube | :) |
| 13:46.00 | pupnik | pokerth is what |
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| 13:46.03 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, there wouldn't be a prison if you match the armory |
| 13:46.07 | zogg_laptop | like that watch from pulp fiction |
| 13:46.09 | ghostcube | in extras devel |
| 13:46.10 | MohammadAG | pupnik, what problem? |
| 13:46.11 | ghostcube | :) |
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| 13:46.24 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, anyway u don't miss anything |
| 13:46.28 | MohammadAG | pupnik, fbcon works here - with about 3 reboots |
| 13:46.39 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, so it's not like cod eh? |
| 13:46.48 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, but do you have green or whatever colour ID? |
| 13:46.57 | MohammadAG | nope, blue |
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| 13:47.04 | MohammadAG | but i don't have the passport |
| 13:47.08 | pupnik | whose kernel MohammadAG |
| 13:47.17 | MohammadAG | pupnik, my own kernel |
| 13:47.34 | MohammadAG | pupnik, it crashes a couple of times, but then it boots |
| 13:47.39 | ghostcube | is pokerth not ready for normal extras-testing? |
| 13:47.40 | pupnik | k, did you have to patch fbcon module? |
| 13:47.43 | MohammadAG | and that's been happening since 1.1 |
| 13:47.46 | ghostcube | i never had any problem with it :) |
| 13:48.00 | MohammadAG | pupnik, I just enabled it in the .config file |
| 13:48.07 | MohammadAG | i don't do modules - yet |
| 13:48.14 | pupnik | okay ty |
| 13:48.35 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, you don't need passport - if you have blue you are citizen |
| 13:48.59 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, so... should i say "oh crap" anytime soon? |
| 13:49.15 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, afaik you don't force arabs to join the army |
| 13:49.26 | zogg_laptop | i'm not sure if u have to serve anyway |
| 13:49.47 | MohammadAG | no idea, but i highly doubt it |
| 13:49.48 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, tapping 'Help' button while in portrait mode makes whole screen rotate to landscape and then it shows the message box :( |
| 13:50.04 | MohammadAG | ftrvxmtrx, where? |
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| 13:50.11 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, and doesn't rotate back to portrait when closed |
| 13:50.13 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Really? It works for me with the new patch |
| 13:50.32 | ftrvxmtrx | wow, that's strange |
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| 13:50.35 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i know you don't like each other but i served with some druzim in army |
| 13:50.36 | fiferboy | It shows the help message in portrait when in portrait with proper line wrapping |
| 13:51.16 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, tbh I'm not that into politics and all, I don't mind israelis in here, as long as it's stable |
| 13:51.27 | MohammadAG | by the looks of it, it is right now |
| 13:51.54 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, it wouldn't be stable. the tops want money and power. and we common people suffer |
| 13:52.02 | zogg_laptop | â¹ |
| 13:52.24 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, right now it is (: |
| 13:52.26 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: If I show the help message while in landscape and then rotate to portrait, the message box and application rotate too |
| 13:52.36 | fiferboy | And vice versa |
| 13:53.00 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, and if you show it while in portrait? |
| 13:53.22 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: It shows fine portrait and will rotate to landscape if I turn the device |
| 13:53.22 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, if i was you i would go to Saudi and marry some rich guy's daughter, even 20 =) |
| 13:53.51 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, interesting idea :P |
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| 13:54.01 | zogg_laptop | ftrvxmtrx, fiferboy , what are you talking about? |
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| 13:54.27 | fiferboy | zogg_laptop: colorflood |
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| 13:54.36 | zogg_laptop | say what |
| 13:54.59 | FIQ | can i customize the toolbar in the browser? |
| 13:55.01 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, ok, I'll apply the patch |
| 13:55.07 | supertramp | maemo 1.2 update complete ruined my n900 :) |
| 13:55.13 | supertramp | perfect job |
| 13:55.15 | FIQ | or in other place? |
| 13:55.16 | ruskie | hmm recaller stopped working with pr1.2 |
| 13:55.21 | FIQ | not mine. :) |
| 13:55.24 | zogg_laptop | americans are so... americans, i have colour marked as mistake while color is alright. damn you x-chat |
| 13:55.24 | FIQ | anyway |
| 13:55.28 | FIQ | would be useful |
| 13:55.43 | MohammadAG | wonders if PR1.2 broke more apps than it fixed :) |
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| 13:55.53 | FauxFaux | Stop it stop it stop it. |
| 13:55.58 | FauxFaux | is simply too lazy to update. :p |
| 13:55.58 | zogg_laptop | ruskie, it started for me, at least it sends some notify while calling |
| 13:56.09 | ruskie | zogg_laptop, hmm didn't happen for me |
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| 13:56.21 | zogg_laptop | ftrvxmtrx, what patch are you talking about? |
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| 13:56.36 | zogg_laptop | ruskie, i didn;t even known of this app before |
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| 13:57.12 | ftrvxmtrx | zogg_laptop, the patch fiferboy sent me to fix help message box rotation issue |
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| 13:58.00 | zogg_laptop | what box. i didn't get where is this help msg? |
| 13:58.33 | ftrvxmtrx | here http://maemo.org/packages/view/colorflood |
| 13:58.39 | zogg_laptop | andrei_, privet andrei, kak dela? =)) |
| 13:58.46 | the_lord | Hi! does anybody here knows if it's true that skype has video call in pr 1.2 |
| 13:58.50 | the_lord | ? |
| 13:58.59 | thresh | говоÑиÑе по-ÑÑÑÑки Ñже, ÑÑанÑÐ»Ð¸Ñ Ð½Ðµ нÑжен |
| 13:59.01 | SWFu64 | Yes it does |
| 13:59.03 | ftrvxmtrx | yep, it's true |
| 13:59.09 | SWFu64 | I've not tried it out yet though |
| 13:59.20 | MohammadAG | oh, new SDK update |
| 14:00.01 | ftrvxmtrx | ÑÑанÑÐ»Ð¸Ñ makes our eyes bleed |
| 14:00.13 | GAN900 | Yo, fiferboy. |
| 14:00.20 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: I'm fiferboy on github now if that helps anything |
| 14:00.23 | fiferboy | Hi GAN900 |
| 14:00.23 | the_lord | thresh, I tried calling and it didn't show me anything of video |
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| 14:00.33 | thresh | the_lord: cant help ya. never tried. |
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| 14:01.16 | fiferboy | GAN900: Are the Rays going to run away with the East? |
| 14:01.51 | GAN900 | fiferboy, probably |
| 14:01.59 | GAN900 | fiferboy, although the offense is in a slump |
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| 14:03.24 | GAN900 | and the Red Sox have the umps in their pocket |
| 14:03.36 | GAN900 | I can't believe how fast they ejected Crawford. |
| 14:04.52 | fiferboy | Yanks and Red Sox always get the benefit of the calls |
| 14:07.37 | supertramp | why I lost all my sms / contacts and calendar after the update? :) |
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| 14:08.30 | Appiah | you did? good thing you made a backup first! |
| 14:09.21 | supertramp | well ... no |
| 14:09.44 | the_lord | thresh, yes, it works |
| 14:09.46 | Appiah | O_O |
| 14:10.04 | supertramp | ok - let's see the calendardb :) |
| 14:10.12 | supertramp | all data are in it |
| 14:10.27 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, I've added you as a collaborator |
| 14:10.42 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Thanks! |
| 14:10.50 | ftrvxmtrx | n/p :) |
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| 14:11.19 | supertramp | ah |
| 14:11.24 | supertramp | ok - I see the problem now |
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| 14:12.40 | supertramp | permissions :) |
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| 14:12.54 | GAN900 | fiferboy, I was at the game and it was clearly outside. |
| 14:13.03 | GAN900 | fiferboy, Fox Trax said about 6 inches |
| 14:13.12 | fiferboy | GAN900: Did you let them have whatfor? |
| 14:13.20 | GAN900 | fiferboy, and that was only one call of at least a dozen. |
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| 14:13.39 | GAN900 | fiferboy, Madden got out there and gave him hell |
| 14:13.58 | GAN900 | Half the stadium booed nearly every strike call after that. |
| 14:14.14 | GAN900 | Other half were Red Sox fans of course. :rolleyes: |
| 14:14.16 | fiferboy | GAN900: What's attendance like these days? |
| 14:14.24 | rm_you | hrm.... |
| 14:14.40 | GAN900 | fiferboy, better than usual |
| 14:14.51 | GAN900 | Averaging around 20k, I think. |
| 14:15.03 | rm_you | so my device started reboot-looping at the loading dots right after the nokia hands like a week ago.... |
| 14:15.07 | GAN900 | But the Northerners still insist we don't deserve a team. |
| 14:15.16 | GAN900 | rm_you, and you haven't flashed it? |
| 14:15.17 | rm_you | i figured i'd wait and just reflash when PR1.2 came out |
| 14:15.25 | rm_you | so i did, and it has |
| 14:15.45 | rm_you | but it's not entering flash mode, it just flashes the usb icon and continues to the dots and the reboot loop T_T |
| 14:16.06 | rm_you | supposed to just hold down the "u" key, right? |
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| 14:18.00 | GAN900 | Yes |
| 14:18.05 | oscillik | frals: you should be a Nokia employee for making MMS work on my N900 |
| 14:18.13 | frals | heh |
| 14:18.18 | oscillik | thank you |
| 14:18.23 | plastun | after installation my app it not appears in menu. What the matter? |
| 14:18.25 | frals | thank you ;) |
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| 14:19.32 | MohammadAG | .desktop files aren't autocreated |
| 14:19.40 | GAN900 | oscillik, don't say that. |
| 14:20.11 | GAN900 | They he'd have specs to follow, it would only be released for Harmattan and we'd never hear from him again. ;) |
| 14:20.12 | Corsac | GAN900: any intent to integrate fmms in contacts? (not sure if it's possible though) |
| 14:20.13 | MohammadAG | GAN900, why? I wouldn't mind a trout in future Nokia phone boxes |
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| 14:20.33 | GAN900 | Corsac, apparently the plugin interface sucks. |
| 14:20.34 | frals | MohammadAG: be careful what you wish for :D |
| 14:20.38 | oscillik | is confused |
| 14:21.00 | rm_you | I'm holding down the "u" key as hard as I can, no luck. <_< |
| 14:21.02 | GAN900 | s/They/Then |
| 14:21.13 | MohammadAG | hehehe |
| 14:21.35 | GAN900 | rm_you, unplug USB, pop battery, replace battery, hold u, plug in USB. |
| 14:21.43 | mortal | which maemo phones are out there? |
| 14:22.03 | rm_you | done it about 10 times, doing it again for funsies |
| 14:22.06 | GAN900 | N900 |
| 14:22.11 | GAN900 | rm_you, odd. |
| 14:22.21 | MohammadAG | rm_you, or unplug USB, remove the battery, connect the USB, execute the command and connect the battery |
| 14:22.31 | MohammadAG | some OSs like to be bi***y |
| 14:22.31 | GAN900 | rm_you, sure there's nothing wrong with your cable, your keyboard or your fingers? |
| 14:22.33 | lcuk | rm_you, remove battery, connect usb cable, start flasher, when it says "no device detected", put battery in |
| 14:22.48 | lcuk | no key presses and works :) |
| 14:22.51 | MohammadAG | or bacon in my N950 package :P |
| 14:23.01 | TheRealHotshot | lol |
| 14:24.48 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Latest git works perfectly for me |
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| 14:26.17 | rm_you | nope, does the same thing |
| 14:26.47 | MohammadAG | andre___, what's with the keywords? :) |
| 14:26.59 | andre___ | MohammadAG, hmm? |
| 14:27.16 | andre___ | MohammadAG, "moreinfo": workaround waiting for new Bugzilla version that introduces "NEEDINFO" state |
| 14:27.19 | MohammadAG | andre___, "moreinfo" |
| 14:27.27 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 14:27.31 | rm_you | computer says "detected usb device" in the taskbar, flickers a bit (the n900 has the usb icon in the corner for right around 1 second) then the beeping that means "usb device connected" followed by "usb device disconnected" happens a little bit, and the device continues to try to boot, but reboots during the dots |
| 14:27.35 | andre___ | MohammadAG, only used "against" the reporter |
| 14:28.06 | rm_you | is there a way besides holding "u" to force a flash? because it doesn't seem to be forcing anything |
| 14:28.16 | rm_you | or to force-reset / wipe the device? |
| 14:28.37 | rm_you | do I need to have a SIM or a microSD in the n900? |
| 14:28.45 | MohammadAG | andre___, oh, I see |
| 14:28.53 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 14:28.57 | lcuk | rm_you, try alternative usb port/computer potentially something is screwing your usb stack |
| 14:29.05 | rm_you | tried two computers so far |
| 14:29.06 | lcuk | either that or your battery may be rlyrlyrly flat |
| 14:29.13 | rm_you | tried two batteries |
| 14:29.23 | MohammadAG | try a proper OS :) |
| 14:29.25 | rm_you | will attempt to charge them both again in n810 and then try again |
| 14:30.14 | MohammadAG | rm_you, try using a linux live cd |
| 14:30.33 | MohammadAG | DSL aka Damn Small Linux is... damn small :) |
| 14:30.39 | ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, great, maybe I should promote it then |
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| 14:32.07 | fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: I'd go for it |
| 14:32.46 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, haha loser you have n950, i have n950i |
| 14:34.41 | MohammadAG | Nokia-NXX:~# uname |
| 14:34.41 | MohammadAG | Mac OS X |
| 14:34.46 | rm_you | aha, so i left it doing that little loop on my laptop on the other side of the room just now while i scoured forums for answers |
| 14:34.51 | MohammadAG | who's the loser now :) |
| 14:35.02 | rm_you | the beeping stopped so i went to look.... it started taking the flash after about the 40th reboot |
| 14:35.11 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 14:35.11 | rm_you | watched it finish flashing... |
| 14:35.25 | rm_you | now i try to turn it on and it turns off after the dots |
| 14:35.36 | rm_you | so, basically the same as before >_< |
| 14:35.37 | GAN900 | rm_you, low batt? |
| 14:35.48 | rm_you | attempting to charge the battery again in the n810 |
| 14:36.03 | rm_you | as when i plug the n900 into power, it attemps to turn on, then reboot-loops |
| 14:36.11 | rm_you | instead of charging |
| 14:37.34 | zogg_laptop | Nokia-N950:~ uname |
| 14:37.37 | zogg_laptop | Plan9 |
| 14:37.43 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, you are |
| 14:37.56 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, fake!!!!11! |
| 14:37.58 | zogg_laptop | rm_you, give it a time |
| 14:38.28 | zogg_laptop | rm_you, sometimes the screen goes off for me while turning on instead of dots |
| 14:38.38 | zogg_laptop | and after flash turning on takes a while |
| 14:39.07 | rm_you | this is what happens when i plug it into power when it is off. |
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| 14:40.36 | rm_you | one second delay. NOKIA in blue letters on white. the loading dots for about two to three seconds, they are moving as normal. screen dims. still see dots, but they are frozen, lasts for two to three seconds. screen goes entire dark. goto beginning and repeat. |
| 14:40.51 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, my cosmorabbit sends you huge |
| 14:41.08 | rm_you | sorry no, dots are still moving while screen is dim, continue moving until reboot |
| 14:43.07 | mortal | does the n900 have many known hardware bugs or severe software limitations? how usable is it currently? |
| 14:43.31 | SpeedEvil | mortal: It is rather slow. |
| 14:43.41 | SpeedEvil | mortal: It takes around 3 hours to compile a kernel. |
| 14:43.44 | zogg_laptop | mortal, don't buy it |
| 14:43.53 | SpeedEvil | Though the UI is surprisingly responsive during this. |
| 14:43.59 | mortal | eh, 3 hours |
| 14:44.01 | mortal | that is fast |
| 14:44.11 | zogg_laptop | and it makes coffee |
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| 14:44.20 | mortal | I am using n810 + e90 combo atm |
| 14:44.33 | mortal | the only thing I lack is the 900 MHz 3g |
| 14:44.36 | zogg_laptop | wait for meego device |
| 14:44.45 | SpeedEvil | mortal: The biggest hardware issue I have is that teh cheap bastards only included one stylus. |
| 14:44.49 | zogg_laptop | 900mhz is overclocking |
| 14:45.21 | SpeedEvil | err - no |
| 14:45.25 | jaska | lol |
| 14:45.28 | SpeedEvil | 900MHz is also a cellular band |
| 14:45.39 | jaska | 2100MHz 3g must be real bad overclocking then |
| 14:45.54 | ghostcube | hmmm, i just noticed the kayboard has no & sign i mean the hw keyboard |
| 14:45.55 | ghostcube | lol |
| 14:45.55 | Shapeshifter | biggest hardware issue is emmc IO |
| 14:45.58 | zogg_laptop | 900mhz is aso frequency |
| 14:46.06 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100527-173806.png |
| 14:46.09 | SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Mine does - blue-k |
| 14:46.19 | ghostcube | hmm, am i so blind today |
| 14:46.20 | timeless_mbp | Trizt, et al: help |
| 14:46.27 | zogg_laptop | ghostcube, you can change other leeter for it |
| 14:46.45 | zogg_laptop | letter* |
| 14:46.57 | zogg_laptop | mine have it |
| 14:47.06 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, there any way to make that clickable with strings? |
| 14:47.07 | zogg_laptop | what i miss is | and |
| 14:47.15 | jaska | i replaced euro and sterling with | and & etc, then added <> {} () ` % as shift-fn combos |
| 14:47.16 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: not afaict |
| 14:47.18 | Zucca | Is there a way to start terminal (in Maemo 5) in ISO locale? |
| 14:47.25 | SpeedEvil | ? is shift-: |
| 14:47.25 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: where is that a cellular band? |
| 14:47.31 | ghostcube | hmm i only have the & in terminal with fn and sym key :) |
| 14:47.39 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: here - though it's not 3G |
| 14:47.41 | SpeedEvil | AFAIK |
| 14:47.45 | jaska | oops, not () but [] |
| 14:47.51 | ghostcube | yeah the pipe is a missing one too |
| 14:47.52 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: the word wrapping of the url was also helpful |
| 14:47.54 | zogg_laptop | Ð°Ñ ÑÑÑ ÑÐ½Ñ Ð»Ñн вÑÑÑе ÑÑкл аÑк ÑÑ |
| 14:47.59 | timeless_mbp | fwiw the missing space after the period near the bottom is my fault |
| 14:48.01 | timeless_mbp | i'll fix that |
| 14:48.05 | zogg_laptop | ooopsy |
| 14:48.07 | timeless_mbp | could i get a shorter url? |
| 14:48.14 | timeless_mbp | note that afaict, i can't even make the url selectable |
| 14:48.15 | zogg_laptop | fn+sym doesn't work for me at all |
| 14:48.22 | timeless_mbp | which means people will have to hand retype it ! :( |
| 14:48.38 | ghostcube | is there any way to get back the old software keyboard |
| 14:48.40 | ghostcube | o.O |
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| 14:48.48 | SpeedEvil | zogg: It's stupid |
| 14:48.49 | timeless_mbp | i claim it's still better than what is normally presented |
| 14:48.51 | MohammadAG | Might check on that soon |
| 14:48.59 | MohammadAG | i want the old menu back |
| 14:49.07 | timeless_mbp | i might be able to buy some space by changing 'Open backup' to 'Backup' |
| 14:49.08 | jaska | also longpress is kinda wacky when you do press shift and then longpress a key :) atleast in terminal |
| 14:49.13 | dotblank | hmm video call over javver says there is mismatched video codecs.. |
| 14:49.16 | ghostcube | i want the old keyboard back btw the old menu was cool too |
| 14:49.21 | timeless_mbp | but that's kinda stupid :( |
| 14:49.22 | dotblank | what codec does the n900 use for video call? |
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| 14:49.28 | dotblank | jabber* |
| 14:49.29 | ghostcube | full ack MohammadAG |
| 14:49.45 | SpeedEvil | zogg: You need to press and hold blue, press function, release function, release blue |
| 14:49.56 | SpeedEvil | zogg: any other combination doesn't work |
| 14:50.11 | ghostcube | yeah i have my pokerth back (yeah) |
| 14:50.20 | ghostcube | :) |
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| 14:51.01 | ghostcube | wth apt-get update && apt-get upgrade arent working |
| 14:51.06 | zogg_laptop | SpeedEvil, what is stupid? i think it worked before i updated (pr1.1.1) i even don't remember what it did. after that it's nt working |
| 14:51.10 | ghostcube | *isnt |
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| 14:51.34 | plastun | does anybody install MeeGo to N900? |
| 14:51.37 | ghostcube | you cant combine commands by && in busybox? |
| 14:51.45 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, try hildon-im-recache as root |
| 14:51.49 | MohammadAG | ghostcube, you can |
| 14:51.52 | SpeedEvil | zogg: at least for me - the other way round - press symbol - hold symbol - press blue - release blue - does not work. |
| 14:51.59 | SpeedEvil | zogg: nor does pressing them at the same time |
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| 14:52.11 | timeless_mbp | looks for other people who could offer help |
| 14:52.12 | ghostcube | MohammadAG: hmmm my apt-get doesnt like it here ;( |
| 14:52.20 | SpeedEvil | Is everyone else not seeing this - or is it just me / my hardware? |
| 14:52.33 | zogg_laptop | SpeedEvil, all blue keys are working except Sym |
| 14:52.44 | zogg_laptop | what does it do? |
| 14:52.50 | SpeedEvil | zogg: this is to start the symbol overlay |
| 14:53.00 | ghostcube | if you open an terminal and do fn+sym it should bring up a special sign table |
| 14:53.01 | SpeedEvil | zogg: of the hardware keyboard |
| 14:53.06 | timeless_mbp | zogg_laptop: does sym-eur give you a PIPE instead of a EUR? |
| 14:53.10 | jaska | press fn, release fn, press sym, release sym works for me |
| 14:53.23 | zogg_laptop | timeless_mbp, yes |
| 14:53.28 | SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Oh - that works too |
| 14:53.38 | timeless_mbp | ZogG: you have some keyboard layout installed, e.g. hebrew |
| 14:53.38 | BCMM | has anybody benchmarked the various browsers available for Maemo? |
| 14:53.39 | SpeedEvil | jaska: I mean |
| 14:53.41 | timeless_mbp | which breaks that stuff |
| 14:53.47 | BCMM | (and is it possible to change the default?) |
| 14:54.24 | dotblank | ugh takes like 20 mins to install extra decoders |
| 14:54.46 | ghostcube | anyone can confirm that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade dont work if you work in rootshell o.O |
| 14:54.48 | TomaszD | don't fret, I'm preparing a new version dotblank |
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| 14:54.59 | TomaszD | but it does pull in many deps |
| 14:55.00 | dotblank | TomaszD, :) |
| 14:55.08 | jaska | now i need to refiddle with the layout to get 4 arrows while keeping the a and o umlauts |
| 14:55.25 | TomaszD | should be a bit faster to install |
| 14:55.33 | mortal | could it be possible to use the e90 keyboard as a bluetooth keyboard for an n800 |
| 14:56.07 | SpeedEvil | mortal: I've really not found the n900 keyb bad. |
| 14:56.13 | dotblank | Does video calling require extra decoders/ |
| 14:56.18 | SpeedEvil | mortal: My laptop died for a week. I got up to ~30wpm |
| 14:56.35 | nidO | he said n800 |
| 14:56.52 | nidO | and the e90's keyboard blows the n900's away anyway :p |
| 14:57.10 | zogg_laptop | hhahaha |
| 14:58.08 | jaska | i liked my jornada 720s kbd :| |
| 14:58.14 | zogg_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.01 | timeless_mbp | zogg_laptop: is it wrong? |
| 14:59.27 | zogg_laptop | re-opened appmanager solved it |
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| 15:02.22 | dotblank | can anyone test video calling with me. just put pr 1.2 on |
| 15:03.13 | rm_you | would if i could get my phone to boot |
| 15:03.17 | rm_you | <_< |
| 15:03.19 | BCMM | dotblank: skype really needs a video version of echo123 |
| 15:03.28 | rm_you | i thought they had one |
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| 15:04.05 | dotblank | BCMM, Skype test call works with video? |
| 15:04.21 | BCMM | dotblank: no, but it should |
| 15:04.52 | dotblank | ah.. im getting abunch of cedec mismatch errors.. with video calling |
| 15:04.57 | dotblank | over gtalk |
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| 15:07.34 | MohammadAG | <BCMM> dotblank: skype really needs a video version of echo123 indeed |
| 15:07.45 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: right, so do we have a wiki page/ |
| 15:08.08 | MohammadAG | <zogg_laptop> i went to uninstall the hebrew keyboard and it says - no apps installed |
| 15:08.27 | MohammadAG | open app manager and type killall apt-worker as root, you'll get the same effect :) |
| 15:09.35 | rm_you | charged battery seems to have the same effect... noted that when it is not plugged in, it just immediately turns off during the moving dots. |
| 15:09.42 | rm_you | is my n900 just fucked again? |
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| 15:09.55 | rm_you | seriously doubt quim is going to send me ANOTHER one <_< |
| 15:11.31 | Aranel | whats the difference between USA and Global release? |
| 15:11.59 | luke-jr | I think it's more like USA vs UK vs Finland vs ... |
| 15:12.06 | luke-jr | varied keyboards or such |
| 15:12.31 | MohammadAG | nope, keyboards are the same |
| 15:12.42 | luke-jr | O.o |
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| 15:16.26 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, nope, they are not |
| 15:16.52 | zogg_laptop | russian keyboard is different |
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| 15:16.58 | zogg_laptop | buttons are placed different |
| 15:17.30 | MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, the fw has the same files afaik, it's determined by something else |
| 15:17.33 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, for? |
| 15:17.36 | MohammadAG | just like the FMTX |
| 15:18.36 | thresh | long live the author of gps data logger widget. |
| 15:19.21 | E0x | so know i can try the nokia qt sdk just fine , i mean test the app create on it in the n900 without do anything special ? |
| 15:19.29 | thresh | and, of course, curse nokia for stupid ovi maps. |
| 15:20.44 | rm_you | alright well, I booted up my other (broken USB) n900 with this battery, it starts up fine and reports well over half battery left. in my "not broken" (at least, physically) n900, it is still just immediately turning off after the NOKIA text and three seconds of the loading dots. T_T |
| 15:20.44 | E0x | hmm i was using mapper in pr1.1 and was very fine , why is not yet in extra ? |
| 15:20.48 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: sorry, which question |
| 15:20.52 | E0x | some bugs ? |
| 15:21.31 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: a) is there a wiki url explaining to people how to deal w/ OTA failure |
| 15:21.42 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: i may have to ask Quim whether he feels like shipping me ANOTHER n900. this time i'll ship him TWO broken ones back! <_< |
| 15:22.01 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 15:23.06 | MohammadAG | rm_you, it could be your fault you know :) |
| 15:23.12 | MohammadAG | I'm still on 1 N900 |
| 15:23.17 | rm_you | lol i did nothing this time :P |
| 15:23.24 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i'm on n900s 4 and 5 |
| 15:23.28 | MohammadAG | then how did it brick |
| 15:23.29 | rm_you | not that i did anything last time either, besides normal plugging and unplugging of USB |
| 15:23.40 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what happened to 1 2 and 3? |
| 15:23.46 | rm_you | i was listening to pandora one day and it just turned off |
| 15:23.51 | rm_you | and since then it won't turn on |
| 15:24.05 | MohammadAG | bad luck |
| 15:24.07 | rm_you | which was about two weeks after Quim sent it to me <_< |
| 15:24.11 | MohammadAG | the very definition of it |
| 15:24.28 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: one of them was dropped and had a bad encounter with a tile floor |
| 15:24.34 | rm_you | I'm just glad I hadn't actually BOUGHT one |
| 15:24.36 | timeless_mbp | one of them decided that charging wasn't important |
| 15:24.43 | timeless_mbp | one's on permanent loan to an end user |
| 15:24.53 | timeless_mbp | (and despite him trying to drown it, it's doing quite well) |
| 15:24.56 | rm_you | the failure rate seems to be like... 75% |
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| 15:25.17 | rm_you | then again, people with problems are louder than people without |
| 15:25.42 | rm_you | so it must not be THAT bad... it must just coincidentally happen repeatedly to people I know :P |
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| 15:26.08 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: so, i'm considering taking wiki.maemo.org/ota_failed |
| 15:26.16 | RurouniJones | Hmm, how do you switch input with mscim on the N900? |
| 15:26.27 | RurouniJones | I accidentally did it but then it switched back |
| 15:26.40 | RurouniJones | And I cannot find the key combo to enable the Japanese input again |
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| 15:26.46 | MohammadAG | ctrl space |
| 15:27.05 | RurouniJones | Nuts, thta is what I thought, tried that and it didn't work |
| 15:27.19 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I think there's already a page |
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| 15:27.40 | _gpg_ | hi |
| 15:27.58 | RurouniJones | And now it worked again, cheers MohammadAG, think I need to do some more experimentation |
| 15:28.04 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update |
| 15:28.05 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 15:28.10 | timeless_mbp | but it's too long to make someone type! |
| 15:28.55 | supertramp | :)))) |
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| 15:29.53 | RurouniJones | Wooo! Jagged alliance 2 on the N900? Fantabulous |
| 15:30.01 | RurouniJones | goes and diggs out CD |
| 15:30.21 | supertramp | cannot remember when I had thigs soooooo screwed up |
| 15:31.02 | Rinsmaster | I have 120MB free in /home, but the application manager is complaining about free application space.. Also apt-get works fine.. :/ |
| 15:31.23 | MohammadAG | what about /? |
| 15:31.27 | MohammadAG | and MyDocs |
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| 15:32.17 | Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, 60MB free in / and 4GB free in MyDocs, which all should be enough, especially for a 200kb app -.- |
| 15:32.48 | Rinsmaster | It happened while restoring applications from my backup ( I just flashed to PR1.2) |
| 15:32.49 | MohammadAG | Rinsmaster, what do the logs say? |
| 15:33.00 | Rinsmaster | I'll check them out, good idea |
| 15:34.11 | tripzero | so uh... OTA should work if you have the free space? |
| 15:34.22 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.nokia.com/news/n900-gets-even-better-with-the-latest-update/ |
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| 15:34.48 | zogg_laptop | oh, i know the secret |
| 15:34.51 | SpeedEvil | Err - my store does not apparantly contain 'new Ovi Store content like 3D Rollercoaster, QuickPanorama Pro, Angry Birds Level Pack, Sygic Mobile Maps and more. ' |
| 15:34.58 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone elses? |
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| 15:35.20 | zogg_laptop | SpeedEvil, that's what was my secret |
| 15:35.23 | zogg_laptop | the new ovi store... |
| 15:35.25 | zogg_laptop | wait for it |
| 15:35.31 | zogg_laptop | ... is old one \o/ |
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| 15:35.34 | zogg_laptop | TADA |
| 15:35.37 | Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, http://paste.debian.net/plain/75071 |
| 15:35.38 | tripzero | lol |
| 15:36.12 | Rinsmaster | As far as I know, 8952 < 119463936 |
| 15:36.55 | zogg_laptop | so how can i build the deb for maemo i a quickest way? |
| 15:37.11 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: complain to peter@maemo ;-) |
| 15:37.12 | MohammadAG | get a shed and a soldering iron |
| 15:37.16 | RurouniJones | So with PR1.2 Mad Developer is the way to go for Qt dev? |
| 15:37.22 | RurouniJones | No more scratchbox? |
| 15:37.26 | MohammadAG | Rinsmaster, hmm, don't see anything weird |
| 15:37.36 | MohammadAG | RurouniJones, who said that? |
| 15:37.52 | MohammadAG | new sdk packages were released |
| 15:38.08 | RurouniJones | Just based on past conversations in here it seemed that MADDE was the "new hotness" |
| 15:38.51 | Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, So is there any way to possibly fix this? |
| 15:39.03 | MohammadAG | Rinsmaster, I'd use apt |
| 15:39.43 | zogg_laptop | does sdk build deb? |
| 15:39.51 | MohammadAG | not without magic |
| 15:39.53 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, then make a redirect. |
| 15:39.54 | Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, that'd mean I always have to use apt instead of the app manager, I don't see that as a solution. I guess flashing the eMMC remains then? |
| 15:40.16 | MohammadAG | Rinsmaster, try checking permissions? |
| 15:40.21 | MohammadAG | i'm just guessing here |
| 15:40.24 | MohammadAG | never seen that |
| 15:40.30 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: is anyone working to update that article to cover 1.2? |
| 15:40.31 | MohammadAG | actually, never used ham |
| 15:40.35 | timeless_mbp | it only talks about 1.1 :( |
| 15:40.53 | Pavlov | anyone know if thumb2 got broken in 1.2? |
| 15:42.19 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, no idea. |
| 15:42.40 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I don't have the energy to invest in a deadend wiki. :P |
| 15:42.51 | zogg_laptop | - PR1.3 1. QT Mobility |Source : Urho Konttori (Nokia) |
| 15:42.53 | zogg_laptop | hmmmm |
| 15:43.30 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 15:44.02 | Aranel | is it enough to use backup app to get a backup before flashing, or any other steps necessary? |
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| 15:44.27 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 15:45.32 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: depends on what you're trying to do |
| 15:45.45 | timeless_mbp | generally backing up, and only flashing the rootfs and then restoring should be good enough |
| 15:45.50 | nidO | generate a backup and, if you're paranoid or plan to flash the emmc, copy it to your pc |
| 15:45.52 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: I'll flash my device with Latest Maemo 5 USA release for N900 |
| 15:45.53 | timeless_mbp | that was the design |
| 15:46.11 | timeless_mbp | hopes we don't have a usa release |
| 15:46.19 | timeless_mbp | if we do, it will have virtually 0 testing |
| 15:46.20 | Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, I found a bug report about my problem, only it seems like there's no solution yet. :/ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10305 |
| 15:46.22 | povbot` | Bug 10305: Application Manager in PR1.2 says not enough space even though there is. |
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| 15:46.38 | microlith | wonders what Nokia changed in the media player that reduced his visible album art down to two |
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| 15:46.45 | MohammadAG | hmm, that might be a blocker |
| 15:47.19 | supertramp | ok - all data saved :} |
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| 15:48.49 | MohammadAG | Rinsmaster, reply on the bug report |
| 15:49.14 | Rinsmaster | I will |
| 15:49.19 | MohammadAG | with the log of course |
| 15:49.24 | andre___ | but please no "me too" but more info :) |
| 15:49.26 | E0x | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54058 |
| 15:49.28 | andre___ | heh, yes. log welcome. |
| 15:49.33 | E0x | i was doing something like that |
| 15:49.40 | E0x | well not like that but relate |
| 15:49.45 | MohammadAG | andre___, yeah i noticed that my sentence was a bit spammy |
| 15:49.47 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 15:49.51 | E0x | i was doing a desktop indicator. |
| 15:50.27 | timeless_mbp | andre___: why is the pr1.2 version number randomly different in bugzilla from the previous ones? |
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| 15:50.42 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 15:51.09 | andre___ | timeless_mbp, because Bugzilla sucks and ASCII sorting came to the rescue |
| 15:51.19 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 15:51.20 | andre___ | (no sorting for Version numbers) |
| 15:51.21 | timeless_mbp | cheater |
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| 15:51.26 | timeless_mbp | cute |
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| 15:51.43 | andre___ | timeless_mbp, was the only idea I had in the morning, being half asleep :-P |
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| 15:58.33 | zogg_laptop | is it old conversation widget or it's a new look ? http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/conversations-inbox-widget-screen-400x240.png |
| 15:58.53 | rm_you | that's an app |
| 15:59.00 | rm_you | that's been around for a long time |
| 15:59.15 | spectre- | god |
| 15:59.26 | Shapeshifter | spectre-: yes? |
| 15:59.27 | spectre- | freebsd community are a bunch of pricks :o |
| 15:59.31 | spectre- | haha shape |
| 15:59.45 | spectre- | anyone have experience with dnsmasq on the n900? |
| 15:59.48 | rm_you | that's how I felt about debian for a while |
| 16:00.04 | rm_you | so I'd ask all my linux questions in #gentoo, even though I used debian :P |
| 16:00.21 | rm_you | I just had to phrase them carefully and interpret the responses through a debian user's filter :P |
| 16:00.32 | zogg_laptop | rm_you, i know but it looks different |
| 16:00.33 | spectre- | well, the debian channel is really hardcore about staying on-topic, but i just got booted from #freebsd for having difficulty finding something in a gigantic man file |
| 16:00.43 | zogg_laptop | http://maemo.nokia.com/images/uploads/entry-media/features-mainpage-browser.jpg - that's how new ovi would look =) |
| 16:00.57 | rm_you | lololol |
| 16:00.59 | spectre- | so is pr1.2 out now? |
| 16:01.01 | RurouniJones | Japanese Input, Mnemosyne that works...I am a happy bunny, thank you PR1.2 |
| 16:01.04 | spectre- | (can't see topic) |
| 16:01.10 | rm_you | yes |
| 16:01.12 | RurouniJones | spectre-: Yes |
| 16:01.18 | spectre- | sweeeeeet |
| 16:01.21 | spectre- | can i ot? |
| 16:01.22 | spectre- | er |
| 16:01.23 | spectre- | ota? |
| 16:01.27 | rm_you | would love to run it but my n900 appears to be busted again. *sigh* |
| 16:01.32 | rm_you | will poke at it more after I sleep |
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| 16:01.57 | RurouniJones | spectre-: Yes |
| 16:02.16 | spectre- | sweet :) |
| 16:02.18 | Xisdibik | RurouniJones: Japanese input in PR1.2? where!? |
| 16:02.22 | RurouniJones | Topic set by DocScrutinizer!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg on Wed May 26 15:18:07 2010 |
| 16:02.31 | RurouniJones | Whhops, stupid IRC client :) |
| 16:02.35 | roue | hola |
| 16:02.43 | RurouniJones | Xisdibik: install mscim and mscim-ja |
| 16:02.48 | zogg_laptop | Get the full internet experience by quickly accessing rich Adobe Flash content across the web. |
| 16:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | HUH?? |
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| 16:03.10 | RurouniJones | To be honest, it isn't that great, there is some real wierdness with Kanji input |
| 16:03.39 | Xisdibik | RurouniJones: -testing, -devel? dont see it in the base repo |
| 16:03.48 | RurouniJones | But I am still experimenting, plus there is another package called plain old scim and scim-ja. They might be in devel |
| 16:04.10 | Xisdibik | RurouniJones: know if they are optified? |
| 16:04.15 | RurouniJones | Not a clue |
| 16:04.28 | luke-jr | has PR1.3 |
| 16:04.28 | roue | I'm trying to use mod_deflate with a specific set of mime types and things with mime types I'm not specifying are still being sent with content-encoding: gzip. For instance, I specify "AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/html text/plain text/javascript text/css" and a request that returns Content-Type: video/quicktime is being gzipped. Any ideas? thanks. |
| 16:04.32 | roue | er |
| 16:04.32 | RurouniJones | I upgraded an hour ago and have been installing stuff left right and centre so I can experiment on the train tomorrow |
| 16:04.36 | roue | wrong channel :) |
| 16:04.38 | roue | sorry. |
| 16:04.42 | Xisdibik | bows before the God, luke-jr |
| 16:05.06 | Xisdibik | RurouniJones: well, if you can find out if its optified that would be win |
| 16:05.06 | Xisdibik | :) |
| 16:05.10 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; you still need help with the themes thing? |
| 16:05.11 | RurouniJones | And now, bed. 1am and I was supposed to go to sleep 2 hours ago |
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| 16:05.19 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: yeah |
| 16:05.22 | RurouniJones | Xisdibik: If I remember, they ain't exactly big packages |
| 16:05.23 | timeless_mbp | does themes work for you? |
| 16:05.25 | RurouniJones | Night |
| 16:05.29 | rm_you | luke-jr: sweet, give me a copy of that and we'll see if my device can stay bricked even through a flash of that :P |
| 16:05.31 | MohammadAG | Night |
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| 16:05.52 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; I haven't tested in 1.2, worked fine in 1.1.1 |
| 16:05.56 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, any apps in the store yet? |
| 16:06.17 | Xisdibik | RurouniJones: still, id prefer it to be optified :D |
| 16:06.39 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: i'm going to push out one more 1.1.1 update |
| 16:06.48 | timeless_mbp | which i'd hope you'd get before you jump to 1.2 |
| 16:07.09 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; sorry, but I flashed my phone yesterday |
| 16:07.30 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; in 1.2 it seems to work as well as it did in 1.1.1 |
| 16:08.45 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 16:08.46 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: do you know if there is any way to more *thoroughly* flash/reset the device than the flasher command on the wiki? |
| 16:08.49 | spectre- | is my sources.list supposed to be empty? |
| 16:09.07 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: once you move to 1.2, going back requires something people outside nokia don't have |
| 16:09.15 | spectre- | rm_you, flash the content as well |
| 16:09.16 | timeless_mbp | heck, it requires something most people *inside* nokia don't have |
| 16:09.24 | rm_you | how do i do that |
| 16:09.29 | rm_you | maybe that is the problem |
| 16:09.30 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; managed to uninstall the wrong package and had no option than flush, took mee quite many hours to get things back as I had them before |
| 16:09.33 | luke-jr | rm_you: sure, it's easy |
| 16:09.33 | timeless_mbp | but if you're not talking about going backwards |
| 16:09.50 | luke-jr | rm_you: dd if=/dev/zero of=PR1.3.img bs=1024 count=1024055 |
| 16:09.51 | spectre- | there's instructions somewhere about it on nokias site |
| 16:09.53 | timeless_mbp | iirc you can actually specify both images in the flasher commadn line |
| 16:09.55 | luke-jr | rm_you: that will make the image :) |
| 16:10.00 | spectre- | i forget where :) |
| 16:10.08 | spectre- | but that'll reset the filesystem as well |
| 16:10.16 | spectre- | normally flashing only does the os |
| 16:10.17 | rm_you | luke-jr: rofl |
| 16:10.22 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: hrm k |
| 16:10.32 | rm_you | spectre-: k will try that |
| 16:10.46 | spectre- | read directions carefully :o |
| 16:11.03 | spectre- | so, is my sources.list supposed to be empty? |
| 16:11.08 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 16:11.14 | spectre- | hm |
| 16:11.17 | timeless_mbp | spectre-: apt supports sources.list.d/*.list |
| 16:11.26 | spectre- | ahhh, thx |
| 16:11.29 | timeless_mbp | sources.list is for you to **** around with |
| 16:11.40 | timeless_mbp | but i'd suggest you use sources.list.d/<your-whatever>.list instead |
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| 16:12.47 | spectre- | yeah |
| 16:12.54 | spectre- | needed to clear out some bad repos |
| 16:13.00 | spectre- | and apps manager is bugged |
| 16:13.11 | rm_you | spectre-: don't see an option in the flasher-3.5 docs |
| 16:13.34 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: specify *both* images? |
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| 16:14.13 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: there's a rootfs and a eMMC |
| 16:14.21 | timeless_mbp | a/and a/and an/ |
| 16:14.26 | rm_you | ah |
| 16:14.26 | timeless_mbp | if you really want a clean thing |
| 16:14.31 | timeless_mbp | you'd want to flash both |
| 16:14.33 | rm_you | yes |
| 16:14.36 | rm_you | CLEAN |
| 16:14.43 | rm_you | factory wipe |
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| 16:15.59 | Trizt | I guess no one here know how much a taksi from Vantaa airport to train station costs nowadays? |
| 16:17.42 | rm_you | it says it can flash the eMMC image... but no where in the options does it say what flag to give |
| 16:17.58 | rm_you | do I just do the exact same command as for the firmware image, just with the eMMC bin? |
| 16:18.11 | TomaszD | rm_you, flash fiasco without the "-R" flag |
| 16:18.20 | TomaszD | and eMMC with it |
| 16:19.36 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: i'd expect ~30EUR |
| 16:19.45 | timeless_mbp | it's ~6EUR to use the Finnair bus |
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| 16:20.02 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; where do those stop? if you know |
| 16:20.17 | timeless_mbp | the finnair bus stops at the central railway station :) |
| 16:20.27 | timeless_mbp | (and the continental hotel, but...) |
| 16:20.30 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; okey, that would work fine |
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| 16:20.56 | timeless_mbp | it's a lot easier, runs regularly, something like every 20mins |
| 16:21.06 | timeless_mbp | there's a stop in front of both terminals |
| 16:21.13 | timeless_mbp | (finnair should pay me) |
| 16:21.22 | Trizt | yeah :) |
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| 16:21.33 | Trizt | I'll tell them when I buy the tickets :) |
| 16:21.43 | Trizt | 5% or is it 10% you want? |
| 16:22.11 | timeless_mbp | 5% is fine :) |
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| 16:23.52 | Trizt | if resizing /home /home/user/MyDocs, then you need to get fdisk/parted from debian repo and do both system and emmc flashings? |
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| 16:26.33 | rm_you | fuck |
| 16:26.38 | Aranel | how to manually refresh the menu? I mean rebuilding the menu cache. |
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| 16:27.19 | MohammadAG | killall hildon-desktop |
| 16:27.28 | MohammadAG | slightly unclean, but who cares |
| 16:27.38 | rm_you | well, flashed the eMMC image, then the firmware image, and it is still shutting down on the loading dots |
| 16:28.11 | rm_you | anything lower level I can do to it? |
| 16:28.29 | MohammadAG | flash a kernel with fbcon enabled |
| 16:28.34 | rm_you | ? |
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| 16:28.41 | rm_you | fbcon? |
| 16:28.56 | MohammadAG | framebuffer console |
| 16:29.07 | rm_you | k |
| 16:29.19 | rm_you | where can i get one of those that is compatible with PR1.2? |
| 16:29.31 | rm_you | I hope the answer isn't "build one yourself" |
| 16:29.42 | rm_you | kernel work was never my thing <_< |
| 16:29.48 | Aranel | MohammadAG: But It seems It still loads from some location, so it knows the location for app. I've removed witter, reinstalled it, killed hildon-desktop, still It shows up on same place. |
| 16:30.18 | Aranel | MohammadAG: I want to wipe that data, so It won't know where to place those apps. It's causing bugs on my installation. |
| 16:30.43 | hurbu__ | can i upgrade to 1.2 on linux desktop ? |
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| 16:33.17 | rm_you | trying it with rd mode enabled and setting no-lifeguard-reset |
| 16:34.26 | spinningcompass | Which package has libjpeg in it? |
| 16:35.00 | Milhouse | maemo bugzilla is performing like sh1t when posting comments |
| 16:35.04 | zogg_laptop | my interwebz are slooow |
| 16:35.09 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, no apps |
| 16:35.30 | rm_you | MohammadAG: hrm, with those flags set it has not shutdown yet, still in dots... |
| 16:35.38 | rm_you | much longer than before |
| 16:35.47 | lcuk | spinningcompass, on your console type "apt-cache search libjpeg" |
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| 16:35.57 | MohammadAG | rm_you, what flags? |
| 16:36.09 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 16:36.09 | spinningcompass | lcuk: Thank you. :) |
| 16:36.21 | rm_you | YES |
| 16:36.24 | rm_you | it booted up |
| 16:36.30 | rm_you | lifeguard was killing it!? |
| 16:36.35 | MohammadAG | uhh |
| 16:36.35 | lcuk | rm_you, do not specify -R that flag is Reboot after completion |
| 16:36.51 | rm_you | erm |
| 16:36.55 | rm_you | right |
| 16:36.56 | lcuk | just flash both, then take out battery |
| 16:37.00 | rm_you | that wasnt really an issue |
| 16:37.07 | lcuk | ah k |
| 16:37.11 | rm_you | more like, it never booted to begin with :P |
| 16:37.18 | rm_you | apparently lifeguard was shutting it down during bootup |
| 16:37.39 | lcuk | are you still on a pre production device? |
| 16:37.51 | rm_you | dunno |
| 16:37.58 | rm_you | Quim just sent me this one like two weeks ago |
| 16:38.00 | rm_you | so i doubt it? |
| 16:38.02 | rm_you | could be tho |
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| 16:38.13 | Stskeeps | check hardware id |
| 16:38.47 | rm_you | k |
| 16:39.05 | rm_you | rx-51 revision 2101 |
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| 16:40.28 | Xisdibik | so has anyone else tried out the mscim mscim-ja packages that knows if its optified? |
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| 16:43.09 | rm_you | ok well when i plug in the power cable it now says "Not charging" |
| 16:43.29 | rm_you | and i put in a battery that had at least 3/4 life and it says it is empty and is making the battery low beep |
| 16:44.38 | rm_you | is that something to do with R&D mode? |
| 16:47.09 | spinningcompass | rm_you: Is it the USB cable, or the power brick (PSU)? |
| 16:48.11 | Shapeshifter | does someone know if its save to use the led pattern editor with pr1.2? |
| 16:48.28 | zlimvos | hey all. after upgrading to pr1.2 this new auto search thingy doesnt work for me. It works on contacts (like before) but not on app manager, not on media player to find music etc. any ideas what i should be looking for..? |
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| 16:49.47 | loufoque | I can't find how you're supposed to remove the battery of the N900 |
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| 16:49.51 | loufoque | anyone has a link? |
| 16:49.58 | lcuk | o_O |
| 16:50.06 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: Axe. |
| 16:50.09 | Rabidus | :D |
| 16:50.10 | Xisdibik | how did you get your SIM card in loufoque ? |
| 16:50.10 | lcuk | loufoque, theres a fingernail tab on the back side of n900 |
| 16:50.14 | lcuk | pull it and the back comes off |
| 16:50.21 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: Or you look round the back, and find the fingernail tab. |
| 16:50.27 | loufoque | I have removed the back cover already |
| 16:50.33 | Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: #1 sounds easier |
| 16:50.34 | Rabidus | :O |
| 16:50.35 | lcuk | i just push my stylus about 2 inches into the fingertab and twist |
| 16:50.37 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: bang it |
| 16:50.45 | SpeedEvil | slightly |
| 16:50.49 | SpeedEvil | it's not firmly in |
| 16:50.55 | SpeedEvil | or pull it out with a fingernail |
| 16:50.56 | Xisdibik | or use an axe? |
| 16:50.57 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 16:51.02 | SpeedEvil | Or a sucker, if you're an octopus. |
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| 16:51.10 | lcuk | loufoque, theres a fingernail tab also at one end of battery |
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| 16:51.21 | Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: I can think of something else that has good suction |
| 16:51.33 | loufoque | i tried to update my phone with nokia software updater |
| 16:51.34 | loufoque | it failed |
| 16:51.39 | loufoque | and now the phone is blocked |
| 16:51.39 | lcuk | Xisdibik, your girlfriend leave stoo much saliva |
| 16:51.44 | GAN900 | wazd, ping? |
| 16:51.45 | rm_you | spinningcompass: either |
| 16:51.48 | lcuk | i had to mop up with a towel last time |
| 16:51.53 | Xisdibik | lcuk: lolol |
| 16:52.02 | Xisdibik | lcuk: i ment a vacuum. you perv :P |
| 16:52.24 | lcuk | Xisdibik, either way, you need to tellyour GF to stop drooling :p |
| 16:52.24 | spinningcompass | rm_you: It could be a hardware problem. Do you have a multimeter? |
| 16:52.31 | Xisdibik | hey lcuk or GAN900 or Speedy, if I install an app. how can i check if its installed in /opt? |
| 16:52.33 | rm_you | not handy |
| 16:52.40 | rm_you | could borrow one though |
| 16:52.41 | nocturnal | i'm confused about updating my n900 maemo fremantle with the new 1.2 update. does using the pc suite method from windows also require restoring backups as when you use the flasher method? |
| 16:52.47 | lcuk | Xisdibik, browse to opt and see whats there |
| 16:52.49 | Xisdibik | lcuk: that wasnt my gf, thats my dog..... |
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| 16:53.08 | lcuk | sure Xisdibik i get them mixed up, both are hairy |
| 16:53.08 | nocturnal | in other words, is pc suite just a function for flashing the firmware like the flasher utility? |
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| 16:53.23 | Xisdibik | lcuk: not my fault i dont like shaved women :p |
| 16:53.53 | lcuk | Xisdibik, speaking of which, did you every find out why her name is bob |
| 16:54.17 | rm_you | Stskeeps: what does hardware revision 2101 mean? |
| 16:54.30 | Shapeshifter | rm_you: planned release date of PR1.3 |
| 16:54.33 | Xisdibik | lcuk: yes, it was short for Bobbette |
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| 16:56.26 | Xisdibik | lcuk: im going to guess since i found scim in /opt/maemo/usr/share/scim that mscim is optified? |
| 16:57.31 | lcuk | Xisdibik, thats potentially somewhat correct |
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| 16:57.44 | lcuk | i believe theres a package which shows space used by all pacakges |
| 16:57.48 | lcuk | and i cant remember its name |
| 16:58.00 | SpeedEvil | df |
| 16:58.30 | lcuk | no speedevil |
| 16:58.38 | lcuk | something that shows list of packages and how much each takes |
| 16:59.17 | SpeedEvil | I got halfway through writing one, then got distracted by something shiny. |
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| 16:59.56 | Bluewind | ideas why the option to use a sip accoutn for calls vanished with 1.2? |
| 17:00.09 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem#Tool_for_detection_of_non-optified_packages |
| 17:00.12 | rm_you | the *SEARCH* option went away in the application manager?! |
| 17:00.15 | lcuk | Xisdibik, ^ SpeedEvil |
| 17:00.21 | Bluewind | also if I call the sip number the phone hangs up automatically |
| 17:00.21 | lcuk | rm_you, just type |
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| 17:00.24 | lcuk | its search inline |
| 17:00.28 | rm_you | k... |
| 17:00.37 | rm_you | mumbles about non-intuitive |
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| 17:01.47 | lcuk | rm_you, lists and grids in all operating systems do similar |
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| 17:02.50 | chadi | in PR1.2, can I make the menu scroll faster like PR1.1.1? |
| 17:03.59 | chadi | please, it is terribly annoying |
| 17:04.29 | lcuk | chadi, an alternative why are you scrolling so often |
| 17:05.20 | Shapeshifter | mh |
| 17:05.22 | chadi | because i like to... |
| 17:05.24 | chadi | :P |
| 17:05.25 | Shapeshifter | mediaplayer widget is also broken |
| 17:05.35 | Shapeshifter | can only pause/next/prev but not play |
| 17:05.37 | lcuk | chadi, you can rearrange menu to not have to scroll at all |
| 17:05.48 | lcuk | is what im saying |
| 17:06.01 | chadi | lcuk: I know that, but I use all the stuff at all times |
| 17:06.46 | zlimvos | damn this is so annoying, auto search thingy doesnt work, and now search button on app.man |
| 17:06.56 | zlimvos | *no |
| 17:07.43 | zlimvos | is there a deamon that does the inliune search? to see if it is running? |
| 17:08.15 | lcuk | chadi, go and search on bugs.maemo.org to see if anyone filed similar, if not file a bug, i can enquire what can be done :) |
| 17:08.24 | lcuk | zlimvos, which bit of searching fails? |
| 17:08.31 | lcuk | does itbring up the textbox or just do nothing? |
| 17:08.42 | zlimvos | on application manager par example, does nothing |
| 17:09.21 | lcuk | are you on the app list? |
| 17:09.27 | lcuk | or just on the front screen of app man |
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| 17:09.43 | zlimvos | i tried on both screens (and download) |
| 17:10.08 | rm_you | Is there anything about R&D mode that would cause the battery to read incorrectly? |
| 17:10.16 | rm_you | or, I guess maybe I do just need a multimeter |
| 17:10.31 | zlimvos | ok then i see i was expecting to work for all type of apps, but i have to choose first 'games' and then type. then it works |
| 17:10.59 | lcuk | zlimvos, "both screens" ? front screen, download categories, applicaiton list |
| 17:11.10 | lcuk | the application list is the one with the search |
| 17:11.22 | MohammadAG | rm_you, never stay in R&D mode, I found out why a week ago |
| 17:11.43 | MohammadAG | (thankfully nothing bad happened, I just shrugged) |
| 17:11.43 | zlimvos | lcuk: then I guess there is no way to search for a word matching in all type of applications |
| 17:11.47 | lcuk | rm_you, what are you needing battery stuff? |
| 17:11.51 | lcuk | zlimvos, click all |
| 17:11.52 | lcuk | .. |
| 17:12.08 | zlimvos | o_o |
| 17:12.16 | chadi | lcuk: fine, will do :) |
| 17:12.34 | chadi | one more question, what's with the ctrl+shift+r? |
| 17:12.56 | Bluewind | any ideas why I can't use sip anymore to call someone/get called? (pr 1.2) |
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| 17:13.56 | rm_you | lcuk: one n900 says my battery is half charged, the other says it is empty and shuts off |
| 17:14.01 | rm_you | for both of my batteries |
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| 17:15.48 | lcuk | rm_you, then charge them? |
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| 17:16.22 | rm_you | they ARE charged |
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| 17:19.18 | lcuk | rm_you, how do you know? |
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| 17:19.29 | lcuk | if 2 devices are both telling you the same thing? |
| 17:19.33 | rm_you | no |
| 17:19.35 | rm_you | i said |
| 17:19.43 | rm_you | one device says it is more than half full |
| 17:19.52 | rm_you | the other says it is empty and shuts off |
| 17:19.59 | rm_you | for both of my batteries |
| 17:20.06 | lcuk | ok misunderstood |
| 17:20.42 | rm_you | thought maybe it was an R&D mode quirk or something <_< |
| 17:20.48 | Bluewind | nobody using sip with pr 1.2 here? |
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| 17:21.03 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 17:21.38 | PhonicUK | anyone else finding that the browser behaves weird when using the arrow keys since 1.2? |
| 17:21.45 | MohammadAG | kind of |
| 17:21.51 | MohammadAG | can live with it |
| 17:21.53 | lcuk | rm_you, not heard of anything similar, are tehse official nokia batteries maintained normally, or have you been shoving them in places they arent meant to be |
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| 17:22.28 | PhonicUK | it keeps on scrolling after i let go :/ |
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| 17:22.55 | rm_you | lcuk: had to charge them in N810, per the instructions Quim gave on his blog :P |
| 17:23.22 | rm_you | lcuk: since the n900 that works right doesn't have an attached USB port anymore, and the one that does have USB is just failing in general |
| 17:24.10 | Stskeeps | ah, right, it's possible to charge n900 battery in n810? |
| 17:24.32 | rm_you | supposedly |
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| 17:24.55 | rm_you | it worked for a few weeks at least |
| 17:25.00 | rm_you | appears to still be working, except this |
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| 17:27.21 | ShadowJK | tried battery in N810, but had too much trouble getting all 3 pins to make contact |
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| 17:27.41 | rm_you | thats what the stylus is for :P |
| 17:28.23 | Bluewind | ok maybe someone knows why the jabber voice chat buttons also vanished? |
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| 17:29.08 | Bluewind | apparently skype still has call buttons |
| 17:29.43 | Corsac | Bluewind: I still have them |
| 17:29.49 | Corsac | plus video calls when available |
| 17:29.51 | Bluewind | jabber audio and sip? |
| 17:30.08 | Corsac | no mention of sip, but yeah, audio calls |
| 17:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: anyway battery charge guestimation is flawed, and I'm not surprised to hear it differs largely from one N900 to the other, with same battery |
| 17:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: basically as soon as you remove the battery fro N900, it loses track of the cell's charge, and needs several full cycles to calibrate |
| 17:32.56 | rm_you | it also says "not charging" when i plug it in |
| 17:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | now that's a real bug then |
| 17:33.48 | rm_you | dunno if it is PR1.2 or the hardware |
| 17:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | probably you ruined the springs of the batteries when charging in N810 |
| 17:33.53 | rm_you | it was fucked up before i flashed it |
| 17:33.54 | rm_you | so |
| 17:34.03 | rm_you | well, they both work in my other n900 |
| 17:34.11 | rm_you | keep swapping back and forth to check |
| 17:34.29 | rm_you | it just happens that the other n900 (the one the batteries work fine in) doesnt have a USB port anymore |
| 17:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 17:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | seems unrelated |
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| 17:35.20 | GAN900 | rm_you, lol |
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| 17:35.50 | rm_you | GAN900: I want an android device with a snapdragon and a keyboard T_T |
| 17:35.57 | rm_you | i am seriously about to give up |
| 17:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | though not really, as the gaughe chip can't calibrate anymore due to missing charge cycle |
| 17:36.06 | GAN900 | rm_you, oh, hush. |
| 17:36.10 | GAN900 | Snapdragon sucks. |
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| 17:37.01 | rm_you | well, you know what i bought USED a year ago and still works? |
| 17:37.04 | rm_you | my G1 |
| 17:37.28 | rm_you | the n900 is freaking amazing and I love it more than I can express |
| 17:37.40 | rm_you | but I'm tired of having to switch back to another phone when it breaks |
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| 17:38.14 | GAN900 | Yeah, well, don't be such a big whore and they wont get jealous on you. *g* |
| 17:38.38 | lcuk | rm_you, im surprised you have so much tragedy with yours |
| 17:38.45 | lcuk | im still on the one i got in september |
| 17:38.46 | rm_you | hey, I only use my G1 when the n900 won't put out :P |
| 17:38.50 | lcuk | and other |
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| 17:38.57 | rm_you | lcuk: <_< |
| 17:39.10 | GAN900 | lcuk, me too. |
| 17:40.36 | rm_you | whatever, i'm going to bed. i'll debug more in the ... evening |
| 17:40.43 | GAN900 | Bed? |
| 17:40.46 | rm_you | going to bed at 1PM <_< |
| 17:40.57 | rm_you | been up since 3PM yesterday :/ |
| 17:41.11 | rm_you | fuck my sleep schedule |
| 17:41.19 | rm_you | I start work next tuesday 8-5 |
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| 17:46.38 | GAN900 | Oops |
| 17:48.03 | lcuk | lighters with torches built in. genius |
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| 17:48.51 | jaska | for a min there i was confused, then realized its the english version of flashlight |
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| 17:57.08 | GAN900 | jaska, yeah, no pitchforks, unfortunately. ;) |
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| 18:01.19 | Dassu | Is it normal that PR 1.2 requires PC to upgrade the device? |
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| 18:05.55 | Xisdibik | thats disappointing GAN900 |
| 18:06.09 | Xisdibik | I wanted to turn my n900 into the perfect werewolf hunting device |
| 18:06.32 | lcuk | Xisdibik, with the Buffy pack, it works for vampires |
| 18:06.38 | lcuk | replaces the stylus with a wooden stake |
| 18:06.49 | Sargun_Screen | what's the easiest way to make the n900 vibrate from python |
| 18:06.51 | Xisdibik | lol |
| 18:07.11 | Xisdibik | lcuk: does it come with Buffy? |
| 18:07.13 | lcuk | Sargun_Screen, dbus call |
| 18:07.25 | N900evil | drools. |
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| 18:07.34 | Sargun_Screen | lcuk: which one |
| 18:07.52 | lcuk | see jebbas wiki pages about dbus calls and search |
| 18:07.58 | ZogG | i have some program |
| 18:08.00 | ZogG | trying to run it |
| 18:08.06 | lcuk | health check is python |
| 18:08.11 | lcuk | and has tests for vibe |
| 18:08.14 | lcuk | so dig into its code |
| 18:08.18 | ZogG | i got sh blabla permission denied |
| 18:08.26 | lcuk | ZogG, yeah needs root |
| 18:08.29 | ZogG | i used chmod +x and chmod +x |
| 18:08.32 | ZogG | nothing |
| 18:08.40 | ZogG | lcuk, tried from root =) |
| 18:08.40 | lcuk | chomod on MyDocs does nothing |
| 18:08.47 | lcuk | chmod |
| 18:09.06 | ZogG | lcuk from root as well? |
| 18:09.17 | lcuk | mydocs cannot accept +x |
| 18:09.30 | pupnik | fat cannot |
| 18:09.41 | lcuk | hey pupnik |
| 18:10.27 | lcuk | Xisdibik, what kind of question is that |
| 18:10.35 | lcuk | and why do you ask |
| 18:10.46 | Xisdibik | haha i was curious |
| 18:11.10 | pupnik | hi lcuk |
| 18:11.25 | lcuk | Xisdibik, what kind of personal use |
| 18:11.29 | lcuk | i have many computers here |
| 18:11.42 | Xisdibik | like your everyday use it all the time one |
| 18:11.52 | lcuk | i use 2 |
| 18:12.01 | Xisdibik | are they PC's macs, linux? :p |
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| 18:12.48 | lcuk | one (the one im talking in now) is windows xp desktop headless, run through vnc, onto my x200s laptop |
| 18:13.05 | pupnik | woo for x200s |
| 18:13.21 | pupnik | anything it does worse than x41? |
| 18:13.25 | lcuk | and the code window notes browser mail and other stuff is VVVVV on the main laptop screen |
| 18:13.25 | MohammadAG | UGH |
| 18:13.33 | pupnik | like does keyboard feel cheaper? |
| 18:13.33 | MohammadAG | C code is hard to edit |
| 18:13.33 | lcuk | yeah pupnik its not touchable |
| 18:13.55 | Xisdibik | x200s laptop? |
| 18:13.57 | Sargun_Screen | lcuk: no luck finding said page, link? |
| 18:14.12 | lcuk | cant easily write/test applicaitons for touching when i cant touch and interact with them ;) |
| 18:14.16 | pupnik | yes, some later lenovo kbds arent as nice as ibm's |
| 18:14.24 | pupnik | ohh no touchscreen |
| 18:14.30 | Xisdibik | lcuk: ah a lenovo laptop :) |
| 18:14.35 | Xisdibik | Thinkpad |
| 18:15.25 | Sargun_Screen | lcuk: nevermind |
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| 18:15.47 | Xisdibik | bbl |
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| 18:16.03 | lcuk | Sargun_Screen, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+jebba+dbus |
| 18:17.18 | Sargun_Screen | lcuk: yeah, I was using maemo.org search |
| 18:18.29 | MohammadAG | andre___, shall I close bug 10159 |
| 18:18.29 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10159 "Longpress special character" breaks console applications in X Terminal |
| 18:18.43 | GAN900 | Anybody know what Ovi's getting the promised new content? |
| 18:18.54 | MohammadAG | soon :) |
| 18:19.14 | andre___ | MohammadAG, I'd keep it for the time being. On the other hand, osso-xterm in Maemo5 seems to be quite dead. |
| 18:19.34 | MohammadAG | andre___, well fixing it would result in breaking another bug |
| 18:20.07 | MohammadAG | andre___, and there's already a package which fixes (or unfixes bug 5421) it |
| 18:20.08 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421 keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number |
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| 18:23.39 | andre___ | MohammadAG, in that case I'd say: Do what you think is right. (Because you've got some really good arguments.) :) |
| 18:24.05 | MohammadAG | andre___, I always ask for a second opinion, so... anyone? |
| 18:24.45 | andre___ | MohammadAG, I'm in! :-D |
| 18:24.55 | MohammadAG | third opinion? :) |
| 18:25.18 | andre___ | wait, let me log in under a different name |
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| 18:26.21 | wolf^ | personally I'd vote for a proper fix for xterm |
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| 18:26.32 | FredrIQ | lol |
| 18:26.32 | kthomas_vh_ | Stskeeps, if you're around, I was told to ask you about getting my n810 to recognize the internal flash as memory again, after booting from flash (mine says the card is 'formatted incorrectly', even if I reformat)... |
| 18:26.39 | FredrIQ | i'm used to the "more" icon |
| 18:26.43 | andre___ | wolf^, which is highly unlikely for Maemo5 |
| 18:26.48 | wolf^ | I know |
| 18:26.53 | FredrIQ | i end up turning on Settings everytime i access the menu |
| 18:26.54 | FredrIQ | :P |
| 18:28.32 | andre900 | MohammadAG: I totally agree! And I'm really not andre, I swear! ;-) |
| 18:29.45 | MohammadAG | hehehe :) |
| 18:30.21 | N900evil | how does it break xterm? |
| 18:30.23 | N900evil | wfm |
| 18:30.27 | kamui | I |
| 18:30.28 | kamui | love |
| 18:30.30 | kamui | pr1.2 |
| 18:30.41 | kamui | which doesn't really do anything new |
| 18:30.48 | kamui | but it feels fast |
| 18:30.54 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 18:31.05 | kamui | also, Im happy gles was fixed |
| 18:31.10 | FredrIQ | it fixes a LOT of bugg |
| 18:31.12 | FredrIQ | bugs* |
| 18:31.16 | kamui | has been struggling with descent controls for the whole morning |
| 18:31.23 | FredrIQ | and upgrades random packages |
| 18:31.35 | FredrIQ | it deleted my awesome q2tab mod. ;( |
| 18:31.45 | FredrIQ | must put it in again.. sometime |
| 18:31.54 | FredrIQ | :(* |
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| 18:33.00 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:34.42 | zeevqwr | hi, how to enable videocalling for skype? |
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| 18:36.07 | zeevqwr | can you read my posts? |
| 18:36.29 | Trizt | zeevqwr; go to your addressbook, select te contact you want to call and click on the "skype video call" button |
| 18:39.06 | zeevqwr | i have only regular skype call and IM |
| 18:39.12 | zeevqwr | no video... |
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| 18:39.40 | zeevqwr | (i did update) |
| 18:39.58 | Trizt | did you updated to pr1.2? |
| 18:40.25 | zeevqwr | yes, today... |
| 18:40.38 | Trizt | could be that your contact don't support video calls |
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| 18:40.45 | zeevqwr | i got some new stuff |
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| 18:41.02 | Trizt | I found one of my contacts who don't and therfor I don'ät have the video call button |
| 18:41.23 | zeevqwr | a really? how can he enable it? |
| 18:42.16 | Trizt | depends on hos skype client, if it don't have the "Video Device" in his options, then not without upgrading client to a newer |
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| 18:43.28 | ghostcube_maemo | my sd works again |
| 18:43.47 | zeevqwr | thank you! |
| 18:43.48 | Trizt | zeevqwr; among the "video device" settings there is an option "Enable Skype Video", this has to be checked |
| 18:43.48 | ghostcube_maemo | after i upgraded it startet working |
| 18:44.15 | Trizt | ghostcube_maemo; I had problems with my sd, but than it was -10 degrees |
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| 18:44.29 | Dassu | Flashing the device with USB cable doesn't remove the Backups right? |
| 18:45.05 | Trizt | Dassu; depends on how you flash, if you do the single flash, then no, but if you do the dural (including emmc) then yes |
| 18:45.12 | ghostcube_maemo | Trizt: it stoped after reflashing, now after apt-get upgrade it works again |
| 18:45.22 | lcuk | Dassu, backups stored in MyDocs are safe unless you flash the EMMC image |
| 18:45.22 | ghostcube_maemo | so i dont know what caused it |
| 18:46.18 | Trizt | ghostcube_maemo; I noticed that if you have the back cover open, then the sd won't be accesseble |
| 18:46.49 | ghostcube_maemo | it was definetly anything with the n900 . in an card reader it worked fine |
| 18:47.09 | ghostcube_maemo | Trizt: hmm yeah but this wasent the prob |
| 18:47.16 | ghostcube_maemo | :) |
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| 18:48.43 | Trizt | IMHO it's quite silly to disable the SD when the back cover is open, you need to remove the battery first before you can remove it |
| 18:49.06 | defragger | is anyone able to see the program "bc" in the extras-devel repository? |
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| 18:50.45 | Kegetys | you dont need to remove the battery |
| 18:51.40 | Trizt | Kegetys; sorry, but you are right |
| 18:52.28 | lcuk | defragger, http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 18:52.56 | pupnik | "No portrait keyboard" must piss some folks off :) |
| 18:54.08 | lcuk | pupnik, i see at least 2 portrait keyboards |
| 18:54.20 | Trizt | wouldn't the keys bee minimalistic small? |
| 18:55.42 | pupnik | dunno. n900 is a two hand device for me. get e72 if you want a phone |
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| 18:56.09 | lcuk | Trizt, t9 |
| 18:56.37 | kamui | man |
| 18:56.49 | pupnik | i saw ppl claim 100* MB free after flashing pr1.2 - true? |
| 18:57.11 | lcuk | yes |
| 18:57.13 | lcuk | easily |
| 18:57.19 | GAN900 | Stuff was optified. |
| 18:57.20 | lcuk | ive >100mb for a cleanflas |
| 18:57.28 | lcuk | its^ |
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| 18:57.38 | Trizt | pupnik I had 92MB after flash |
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| 18:58.36 | pupnik | finally i got to see real phone stores with decent selection lcuk |
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| 18:58.45 | Trizt | any date on when adobe releases flash 10 for arm? |
| 18:58.46 | pupnik | the amoled phones are sweet |
| 18:58.47 | lcuk | pupnik, where have you been? |
| 18:58.51 | pupnik | finland |
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| 18:59.09 | lcuk | Trizt, ask adobe |
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| 18:59.39 | pupnik | i will never like typing on-screen. never |
| 18:59.55 | Trizt | lcuk; they said ask at #maemo ;) |
| 19:00.06 | kamui | hi pupnik! |
| 19:00.10 | kamui | I love typing on screen |
| 19:00.25 | lcuk | Trizt, well wheres the source |
| 19:00.42 | Trizt | on their home page |
| 19:00.56 | pupnik | off to the rice paddies with kamui |
| 19:01.03 | lcuk | really? link to source download for flashplayer? |
| 19:01.08 | lcuk | 10 |
| 19:01.21 | Trizt | no, I think it was for 11 :P |
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| 19:02.08 | lcuk | Trizt, sure, where |
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| 19:07.29 | m | maemouser |
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| 19:09.30 | Funnyface | damn I hate when someone phones me in the middle of something on the N900 :p |
| 19:09.50 | Funnyface | it's just as annoying as the lame ending on that N900 video where you get a phone call from your mum :> |
| 19:10.20 | aSIMULAtor | im glad you like my acting |
| 19:10.23 | aSIMULAtor | ;) |
| 19:11.07 | lcuk | aSIMULAtor, o_O what are you acting at now |
| 19:11.31 | aSIMULAtor | acting at |
| 19:11.34 | aSIMULAtor | possibly going to sleep |
| 19:11.35 | aSIMULAtor | at 10pm |
| 19:11.38 | aSIMULAtor | which is early as hell |
| 19:11.43 | lcuk | lol |
| 19:11.44 | petteri | hmmm.. I took couple of picture today. Earlier I saw those in pictures, but now they are gone. File still exists. Any way to refresh the picture browser view |
| 19:11.44 | aSIMULAtor | but i feel like poo |
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| 19:11.47 | aSIMULAtor | i'm good at acting like poo |
| 19:11.48 | maemouser | hello is there any difference between updating the device from pc or via application updater? |
| 19:12.20 | lcuk | maemouser, only that one completely reflashes, the other tries to upgrade whats there |
| 19:12.24 | frals | cant go to bed now, its eurovision song contest qualifiers! ;) |
| 19:12.29 | lcuk | backup properly before either |
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| 19:13.10 | aSIMULAtor | huh |
| 19:13.14 | aSIMULAtor | eurovision qualifying again |
| 19:13.16 | lcuk | renames aSIMULAtor as MyHankyulator |
| 19:13.19 | aSIMULAtor | i thought that was 2 days ago or something |
| 19:13.20 | lcuk | Mr |
| 19:13.24 | lcuk | cant type |
| 19:13.34 | MohammadAG | bacon shortage? |
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| 19:13.50 | frals | aSIMULAtor: half was then last half is now |
| 19:14.06 | lcuk | MohammadAG, certainly |
| 19:14.17 | maemouser | i will backup but i wonder if any file remains when i update via application updater |
| 19:14.20 | lcuk | i need bacon and chocolate and other things to sustain me |
| 19:14.37 | MohammadAG | chocolate? |
| 19:14.40 | MohammadAG | hates that |
| 19:14.58 | maemouser | such as the update package itself |
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| 19:15.29 | lcuk | maemouser, what do you mean |
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| 19:15.35 | redeeman | anyone that has managed to revert the onscreen keyboard? |
| 19:15.36 | aSIMULAtor | just ate some chocoalte |
| 19:15.59 | MohammadAG | redeeman, I'll start experimenting with it soon |
| 19:16.02 | lcuk | cant eat chocolate or bacon until teeth are fixed |
| 19:16.10 | MohammadAG | right now i'm trying to get back menu kinteic scrolling |
| 19:16.27 | redeeman | MohammadAG: if you could let me know if you succeed or have new results i'd apreciate it, and who knows, maybe i can help |
| 19:16.37 | redeeman | unfortunately im VERY busy the next few days, i have to go to the phillipines |
| 19:16.39 | lcuk | and my coffee tastes like crap with no sugar |
| 19:16.43 | mazer_ | hmm, this software updater suggests that we no longer need to flash? |
| 19:16.44 | lcuk | i might start drinking tea |
| 19:16.49 | lcuk | anyone know any nice ones to brew |
| 19:16.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, add sugar :) |
| 19:16.56 | lcuk | cant! |
| 19:16.59 | MohammadAG | redeeman, no promises though |
| 19:17.00 | lcuk | dentist told me off |
| 19:17.00 | redeeman | ahh i was just at the dentist today :) zero holes |
| 19:17.02 | mazer_ | lcuk: "can't" |
| 19:17.05 | redeeman | MohammadAG: i understand |
| 19:17.05 | MohammadAG | lcuk, screw him |
| 19:17.06 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 19:17.24 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Sweetner. |
| 19:17.34 | MohammadAG | or that |
| 19:17.43 | lcuk | mazer, whats the matter with missing off a few ' its not like they are required and wont let me ingest sugar |
| 19:18.02 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, even more evil |
| 19:18.09 | mazer_ | lcuk: because "im" is not "i'm", "theyre" is not "they're" and "cant" is not "can't" |
| 19:18.24 | mazer_ | mohammad: you updated to pr1.2? |
| 19:18.33 | MohammadAG | yea |
| 19:18.44 | mazer_ | mohammad: the software updater rm's everything? |
| 19:18.54 | mazer_ | like with the flasher, or whatever |
| 19:18.57 | defragger | is this a packet i am able to install through the application manager? : http://maemo.org/packages/view/bc/ |
| 19:19.04 | mazer_ | a packet? |
| 19:19.08 | MohammadAG | which updater? |
| 19:19.13 | MohammadAG | App manager? |
| 19:19.32 | mazer_ | mohammad: "Nokia Software Updater" |
| 19:19.33 | evo | hello, I was using a script to monitor GPRS traffic (with gconftool calls), but /sys/osso/connectivity keys seems gone |
| 19:19.40 | Dassu | Hmm |
| 19:19.43 | mazer_ | mohammad: http://www.softsailor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Nokia-Software-Updater-500x381.png |
| 19:19.52 | MohammadAG | mazer_, same as flasher |
| 19:19.56 | MohammadAG | so yes |
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| 19:20.09 | mazer_ | mohammad: ah. |
| 19:20.11 | MohammadAG | it removes everything except MyDocs |
| 19:20.19 | Dassu | Maan. Sucks to flash my device just for n900. I will lose my desktop icons and propably some things I have no idea about. Wonder if all of my apps will lose their settings |
| 19:20.19 | mazer_ | fair enough. |
| 19:20.37 | mazer_ | Dassu: your desktop icons! oh no! |
| 19:20.40 | Dassu | :D |
| 19:20.49 | Dassu | Dude, I have a lot of bookmarks on my desktop |
| 19:21.05 | lcuk | Dassu, just backup and then restore afterwards |
| 19:21.06 | joga | wow, how do they fit? |
| 19:21.07 | joga | ;) |
| 19:21.07 | Dassu | prefers to place bookmarks on the desktop |
| 19:21.09 | lcuk | the backup tool is very good |
| 19:21.12 | wazd | GAN900: pong :) |
| 19:21.18 | alterego | I used backup and restore and got all my icons back. |
| 19:21.21 | Dassu | lcuk: does restore the shortcuts? |
| 19:21.23 | alterego | Even restored my conboy data |
| 19:21.24 | pupnik | backups include desktop bookmarks? |
| 19:21.24 | lcuk | desktop icons all come back once apps are installed again |
| 19:21.25 | mazer_ | I wonder what I'd want to backup |
| 19:21.27 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:21.30 | pupnik | k |
| 19:21.32 | lcuk | its very good at what it does :) |
| 19:21.34 | mazer_ | backups include packages? |
| 19:21.53 | joga | a package list, I think |
| 19:21.53 | Dassu | also I have recreate my ssh+irssi shortcut. Also I have to limit my number of desktops to 2 once again |
| 19:21.58 | mazer_ | eh. |
| 19:22.01 | Dassu | lol, I have little memory about htat |
| 19:22.02 | lcuk | it backs up all apps that have config files in the backup settings folder ;) |
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| 19:22.18 | joga | lcuk huh? |
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| 19:22.27 | mazer_ | think i'd rather rm -rf and start over. |
| 19:22.27 | lcuk | mazer_, it even backs up your repository selections |
| 19:22.38 | lcuk | and network settings |
| 19:22.42 | lcuk | and furry dice |
| 19:22.46 | mazer_ | I'm running pr1.2-beta or whatever. |
| 19:22.46 | joga | Dassu: why limit the desktop? |
| 19:22.47 | lcuk | oh crap |
| 19:22.53 | sandstorm | sorry I was on my N900 could not type and read efficiently so briefly do you suggest me to update maemo via pc so that it makes a fresh reflash cleaning up everything behind ? |
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| 19:23.01 | joga | (and btw where's that 9-desktop thing...) |
| 19:23.13 | mazer_ | I just want half decent gas/gcc support |
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| 19:23.21 | mazer_ | might work on clang/llvm porting |
| 19:23.23 | Dassu | joga: Faster to scroll |
| 19:23.24 | mazer_ | when I feel better |
| 19:23.25 | Dassu | joga: simpler |
| 19:23.47 | joga | Dassu: yeah, I was thinking of 3 but all four I have are already full of stuff |
| 19:23.57 | Dassu | joga: when you have 2 desktops you end up with the second desktop no matter where you scroll to |
| 19:24.01 | mazer_ | lcuk: metasploit is half nice on n900. |
| 19:24.07 | joga | the 9-way desktop would be nice, it has the same wrapping effect |
| 19:24.11 | Dassu | joga: I have very little stuff on my second desktop |
| 19:24.15 | joga | (and much more space) |
| 19:24.37 | lcuk | i have over 9000 desktops |
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| 19:24.55 | lcuk | only kidding, i just use the normal 4 ;) |
| 19:25.07 | joga | Dassu: I've mostly gathered shortcuts to apps that I find useful, so I don't need to hunt them from the app list |
| 19:25.34 | joga | and couple of the widgets take a lot of space. not that they're very useful but hey, they may look cool ;) |
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| 19:29.31 | mazer_ | lcuk: wmii |
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| 19:30.21 | sandstorm | sorry for repeating, I am maemouser, is there any difference between SSU update and Nokia Software Updater update while updating the firmware |
| 19:30.22 | kthomas | ok, what determines where partitions are mounted upon boot? |
| 19:30.25 | lcuk | mazer_, after telling me off about ' i would have thought you would use english :p |
| 19:30.53 | mazer_ | lcuk: what did I say that confused you? |
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| 19:31.25 | tybollt | lala |
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| 19:31.36 | lcuk | sandstorm, SSU is inprocess single packages updates which aims to retain running system. flashing is like reformatting windows and starting again. however in both cases use the backup tool because you dont do a big update like this without backing up, right!? |
| 19:31.45 | lcuk | mazer_, wmii |
| 19:31.59 | mazer_ | lcuk: yes? http://wmii.suckless.org/ |
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| 19:32.33 | joga | kthomas: you mean, fstab? |
| 19:32.36 | tybollt | \o_ |
| 19:32.40 | tybollt | -o/ |
| 19:32.46 | kthomas | joga, clearly not fstab :) |
| 19:32.54 | sandstorm | lcuk: sure thing for backing up, just curiousity does flashing wipe out everything ? |
| 19:32.56 | tybollt | /o/ |
| 19:33.27 | sandstorm | lcuk: instead of memory card I guess ? |
| 19:33.36 | joga | kthomas: can you rephrase your question? |
| 19:33.37 | kthomas | because fstab says to boot the internal card on mmc1 |
| 19:33.51 | kthomas | *mount |
| 19:34.05 | kthomas | and instead it mounts on mmc2 |
| 19:34.12 | lcuk | sandstorm, the contents of MyDocs is not touched by either SSU or reflashing normally |
| 19:34.24 | kthomas | not to mention anything else I put in fstab is pretty much ignored for boot purposes |
| 19:34.26 | lcuk | the only way to wipe out MyDocs is to flash the EMMC image |
| 19:34.37 | kthomas | is it bootloader which determines? |
| 19:34.51 | lcuk | mazer_, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok |
| 19:34.55 | lcuk | thats my comeback |
| 19:35.23 | sandstorm | lcuk: so I am guessing all the apps are stored in MyDocs folder |
| 19:35.29 | sandstorm | sorry for my ignorance |
| 19:35.32 | lcuk | no |
| 19:35.35 | lcuk | the backup would be |
| 19:35.39 | lcuk | and your photos are |
| 19:35.42 | lcuk | and movies etc |
| 19:35.53 | lcuk | SSU doesnt remove the applications, it does an inplace upgrade |
| 19:35.54 | bfree | anyone noticed their N900 slowing down? I guess I might need a reboot ... current uptime 50 days :-p |
| 19:36.07 | lcuk | and would not need you to restore afterwards |
| 19:36.12 | lcuk | because everything should still be there |
| 19:36.29 | lcuk | but if you reflash you come back with system default apps |
| 19:36.42 | lcuk | and you can restore from your backup and bring everything back |
| 19:37.00 | sandstorm | hmm |
| 19:37.28 | sandstorm | I see |
| 19:37.33 | lcuk | im going beering anyway >> |
| 19:37.42 | sandstorm | btw that liqbase seems rocking and thanks to your for presenting that to us |
| 19:37.55 | sandstorm | *you |
| 19:38.19 | sandstorm | thanks very much for the info btw |
| 19:38.29 | lcuk | sandstorm, :) ta its just been in a bit of a hibernation stage recently whilst some other things are sorted |
| 19:39.27 | sandstorm | are you the/a developer of that? |
| 19:39.48 | lcuk | yeah |
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| 19:40.56 | sandstorm | as it says; maybe the first creative application of N900 (or a major one) |
| 19:41.33 | sandstorm | simple and effective |
| 19:41.37 | sandstorm | nicely thought |
| 19:41.38 | lcuk | sandstorm, thats the onedotzero stuff :) |
| 19:41.39 | lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-adventures-in-motion-powered-by-nokia-n900/ |
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| 19:42.00 | lcuk | the n900 controller is written ontop of liqbase engine |
| 19:42.29 | sandstorm | I see |
| 19:42.30 | lcuk | but anyway, beer is calling |
| 19:42.54 | lcuk | cya later #maemo \p |
| 19:42.56 | lcuk | \o |
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| 19:43.09 | sandstorm | see you around |
| 19:43.13 | sandstorm | bon apetité |
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| 19:43.24 | tybollt | lcuk: o/ |
| 19:43.38 | tybollt | grenoullie apetite |
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| 19:45.20 | BCMM | anyone using Qtirreco? |
| 19:45.22 | kthomas | boot does not read fstab, known bug: |
| 19:45.23 | kthomas | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 |
| 19:45.25 | povbot` | Bug 2575: changes to fstab (mount mmc as /home) ignored on device startup |
| 19:45.33 | kthomas | fstab not used on n810... |
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| 19:46.42 | bfree | anybody else reached months of uptime on an N900? without problems? |
| 19:47.09 | tybollt | no |
| 19:47.15 | tybollt | it is not a competition |
| 19:47.17 | tybollt | so stop that |
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| 19:47.40 | joga | I've often ran out of battery so it's a hard thing to do with a cell phone |
| 19:47.42 | mazer_ | lcuk: I'm unable to visit youtube |
| 19:48.05 | visz | i have quite impressive downtime with my first N900 |
| 19:49.01 | visz | HTH HAND |
| 19:49.45 | bfree | I'd no reason to shut it down or anything, so I'm not entering a competition, just curious why it's behaving a little odd (and seems to have been degrading over the last week or two) |
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| 19:50.32 | joga | bfree: do you get cpu usage (unresponsiveness of the gui) when you flick the locking switch to turn it on? |
| 19:50.58 | bfree | not just flicking the locking switch, but yes |
| 19:50.59 | joga | often there's also some thumbnailing going on at the background so it may slow it down at times for a while |
| 19:51.25 | joga | but if you see hildon-home taking 100% for a few secs when you open lock, booting probably helps, or killing hildon-home |
| 19:51.40 | joga | I think it's some widget bug or whatever, or, at least was in pr1.1 |
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| 19:53.59 | caotic | I didnt forsee pr1.2 "uninstalling" all my applications |
| 19:54.18 | red | just installed canola2 |
| 19:54.29 | joga | caotic: did you do over over-the-air update? |
| 19:54.31 | red | works great but cant type in dialogs |
| 19:54.36 | bfree | guess I'll leave top running and see if I can catch it in the act ;-) or else I'll install that kexec capable kernel and give myself an excuse to reboot it :-p |
| 19:54.44 | red | like last.fm logins or naming playlists :( |
| 19:55.24 | caotic | joga: mm define over the air ? since the n900 required to use the nokia suite |
| 19:55.43 | joga | caotic: so you flashed it? did you take a backup first? |
| 19:56.19 | joga | caotic: over the air would be with the app manager's update thingy |
| 19:57.35 | caotic | joga: I did backup, but only in the device, I cant find the backup utility under settings |
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| 19:58.00 | joga | caotic: if you have the backup that you made on the n900, I think you just need to restore that and the programs will be reinstalled |
| 19:58.26 | joga | haven't tried it though, but I saw someone here saying they did that |
| 19:58.26 | sandstorm | can we use freshly released meego 1.0 on N900 officially ? |
| 19:58.39 | caotic | I see, I think that I was looking on the wrong place at first |
| 19:58.40 | joga | sandstorm: I think meego will never be officially on the n900 |
| 19:58.42 | lcuk | caotic, its on the main menu |
| 19:58.46 | lcuk | not in settings ;) |
| 19:58.53 | lcuk | raises a glass |
| 19:59.11 | caotic | lcuk: joga yup, |
| 19:59.18 | sandstorm | joga: hmm I did not know that |
| 19:59.29 | sandstorm | I was thinking maemo will transit to meego when the time comes |
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| 19:59.58 | joga | I think hacks will be made but nokia said that they don't intend meego to be supported on the n900 |
| 20:00.28 | joga | who knows, maybe it'll just work without a hitch but it's not their priority |
| 20:00.33 | sandstorm | oh I see but it's a bit weird than imho, merging with intel and not supporting it on devices. |
| 20:00.34 | caotic | joga: really ? I thougth that the n900 was the only device that could use mego |
| 20:00.51 | sandstorm | *then |
| 20:00.54 | visz | i tried meego live image on my laptop today |
| 20:01.02 | visz | it had wonderful colourscene |
| 20:01.08 | sandstorm | caotic: same here |
| 20:01.14 | sandstorm | not the only |
| 20:01.20 | visz | crayonic |
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| 20:01.21 | sandstorm | but the capable device |
| 20:01.37 | joga | though the first google hit says something like this http://theunlockr.com/2010/05/27/meego-1-0-available-for-download-for-nokia-n900-and-atom-based-netbooks/ |
| 20:01.49 | b-man | hmm, got a very strange PM O_o |
| 20:01.52 | b-man | <faridcmi> your to sleep well |
| 20:02.07 | sandstorm | hmm interesting |
| 20:02.21 | joga | the second hit is the nokia blog that says "Although Nokia N900 devices are being used for platform development and testing purposes by those involved in the MeeGo project, Nokia doesnât have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900." |
| 20:02.51 | sandstorm | is that an official response from an author? |
| 20:02.57 | joga | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
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| 20:04.23 | alterego | Id on't know how many times Nokia are going to have to say that exact same thing before it actually sinks in. |
| 20:04.47 | alterego | I also don't get this whole, we want someting that doesn't exist yet yesterday attitude :/ |
| 20:04.47 | GAN900 | alterego, they should really make it a press release |
| 20:04.53 | sandstorm | "Nokia realises this news may be a disappointment for some" <-- talking about me |
| 20:05.01 | GAN900 | To let everybody know how little they really care. ;) |
| 20:05.10 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:05.16 | alterego | You're such an optimist GAN :P |
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| 20:05.31 | kthomas | swap? |
| 20:05.44 | alterego | I have to say though, I'm quite happy with PR1.2 |
| 20:05.51 | Zucca | Ok... Where's the search funtion in App manager now? After an update it disappeared. Should I reboot? |
| 20:05.54 | alterego | Makes everything much more snappier. |
| 20:05.57 | sandstorm | I was enthusiastic about intel and nokia collaboration over MeeGo on N900 |
| 20:06.21 | Zucca | In Maemo 5 I mean. |
| 20:06.22 | alterego | Zucca: just type, the option in the menu has been replaced by just typing whilst viewing a category |
| 20:06.24 | b-man | xnt14: !!! |
| 20:06.24 | caotic | Zucca: refresh the mirrors |
| 20:06.30 | lcuk | Zucca, go into all category and start typing |
| 20:06.37 | Zucca | alterego: Ah. Nice. Thanks. :) |
| 20:06.50 | Zucca | alterego: Does it also search from descs? |
| 20:07.06 | xnt14 | b-man: Hello. :P |
| 20:07.10 | alterego | Zucca: name and short desc I believe |
| 20:07.14 | lcuk | it searches on pretty much anywhere in maemo with a grid/list |
| 20:07.27 | Kegetys | I be it will take a few generations for meego to become polished anyway so maemo may be better anyway for N900 |
| 20:07.49 | Zucca | This is great. :) Thanks everyone. \o |
| 20:07.51 | joga | and if the devs already run it on n900 it will work, official or not |
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| 20:07.53 | b-man | xnt14: 8P |
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| 20:07.56 | lcuk | alterego, :) glad pr1.2 is working for you |
| 20:08.06 | tuliobaars | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.14 | alterego | Kegetys: until the community develop a MeeGo that has all the features users expect from the N900 right now, no user should replace maemo with meego |
| 20:08.17 | xnt14 | b-man: lol |
| 20:08.19 | Kegetys | which is also quite silly in my opinion, just when maemo is made mature it is thrown out and replaced with meego :P |
| 20:08.43 | alterego | lcuk: yeah, just makes the device smoother :) |
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| 20:09.20 | alterego | Kegetys: I think MeeGo is probably the best decision Nokia have made in a long time. |
| 20:09.41 | alterego | Kegetys: just above actually using Linux in a device path. |
| 20:09.56 | alterego | They were doing it before Google, hell, Google don't really do it anyway. |
| 20:10.05 | Kegetys | well, I just hope intel wont convince nokia to go for x86 |
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| 20:10.21 | sandstorm | I have pr1.1 right now so depending on your "glad pr1.2 is working for you" statement might I not upgrade to the new firmware? |
| 20:10.26 | alterego | I can imagine in the future, Google will write their own kernel and Android will not have a single element of Linux in it :D |
| 20:10.51 | tuliobaars | people! |
| 20:10.57 | alterego | sandstorm: I think his comment is just because I'm pretty happy with it, but there are a lot of people that were expecting more and obviously arse still complaining about the lack of features. |
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| 20:11.34 | alterego | sandstorm: we all pretty much new what PR1.2 would bring, and it has indeed brought everything on that list. It is definitely an improvement to 1.1.1, I can't see a single reason not to upgrade :) |
| 20:12.01 | tuliobaars | How can i improve the OS2008 transitions/animations, like in Canola; Opera or Firefox? I'd like all OS with a flip and that things...is there a way? |
| 20:12.01 | caotic | Does anyone thinks that the n900 stand (the "leg" that holds the n900 as a picture frame) is a joke ? |
| 20:12.06 | alterego | Basically, don't listen to the trolls, 1.2 is a good upgrade, as you'd expect. |
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| 20:12.53 | MaikB | hi folks |
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| 20:13.07 | sandstorm | alterego: since we dont have a downgrade option, I am a bit worried if something is wrong depending on people currently experiencing the new one |
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| 20:13.25 | sandstorm | alterego: I see, thank you for enlightening :) |
| 20:13.43 | alterego | sandstorm: well, there is always a risk, but you can't really break it beyond repair unless you do something really silly. |
| 20:14.09 | alterego | Admittedly, I prefer flashing over OTA, feels cleaner. |
| 20:14.29 | sandstorm | alterego: hmm, good point, I was thinking to flash it over Nokia Software Updater |
| 20:15.05 | alterego | So, I backed up using the backup application, flashed following the appropriate flashing procedure, and then did a restore. And everything is just as I had it before, better infac, obviously :) |
| 20:15.06 | MaikB | [N900][Skype][Video] Gents, I tried to video-call my notebook (which has a cam built in) which runs skype with another account. It didn't work. Anyone here had more success and give me a heads up what I've might done wrong? |
| 20:15.35 | sandstorm | alterego: what is the rationale beyond thinking that way ? suggesting OTA over NSU ? |
| 20:15.44 | sandstorm | I mean what are your claims |
| 20:16.00 | MohammadAG | wiki.maemo.org borked? |
| 20:16.20 | tuliobaars | N900 just $285: http://bnnshop.com/proView.php?proid=341 |
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| 20:16.27 | alterego | sandstorm: well, I've done OTA's in the past and not had a problem, but my reasoning is, if you flash it, there is no possibility of having redundant information on the root filesystem, as you're effectively reformatting it at the same time. |
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| 20:16.49 | caotic | MohammadAG: yeah the webpage has been sluggish |
| 20:16.53 | alterego | And I'm a stickler for upgrading with a clean slate :) |
| 20:17.04 | alterego | Or tablet ^.^ |
| 20:17.07 | sandstorm | tuliobaars: brand: Nikon ? |
| 20:18.23 | sandstorm | alterego: so keeping in mind that, cant we say flashing would be cleaner and fresher so might be better with a chance(small or not) |
| 20:19.01 | tuliobaars | is there real? |
| 20:19.05 | sandstorm | so that NSU would be better than OTA ? |
| 20:19.32 | alterego | sandstorm: well, I guess I also think it's better, because when you're doing it, you're sitting calmly at your desk, preparing for it. So you're less likely to screw it up, and as the process is much quicker than an OTA even if you do do something wrong, you'll probably be able to flash your device about 5 times in the time it takes to do the OTA :) |
| 20:20.12 | alterego | So, as long as you've backed up your data, flashing is much faster. |
| 20:20.56 | flux | well, there's also the possibly long stage or restoring all apps from the net ;) |
| 20:21.00 | sandstorm | so you changed your advice to NSU update, not the OTA one right ? :) |
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| 20:21.22 | BCMM | anyone successfully imported infrared codes recorded on a computer into qtirreco? |
| 20:21.28 | alterego | sandstorm: I thought I was always promoting NSU :) As flashing is what I always do. |
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| 20:22.22 | alterego | I suppose another reason not to do OTA, if it does not work, then you're left walking around with a brick until you can get home to a computer and flash it ;) |
| 20:22.39 | rdorsch | Can anybody tell if PR1.2 is already released for Germany? |
| 20:22.53 | visz | pfft |
| 20:23.00 | visz | ota works just nice |
| 20:23.30 | sandstorm | alterego: I see, thanks for the brainstorming :) |
| 20:23.35 | visz | i bet my money on n900 doing the flashing over windows or linux desktop computer anytime |
| 20:23.37 | GAN900 | The Droid slide action is so awful. |
| 20:23.44 | sandstorm | and sharing valuable thoughts of yours |
| 20:23.51 | bfree | I hadn't realised PR1.2 was out so I guess that's the obvious excuse for a reboot to lose my uptime ;-) |
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| 20:23.57 | alterego | visz: yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't. I know they go through a lot of effort making sure it'll work well for users. But with the amount of "dodgy" N900's out there with custom kernels, over-clocked CPU's and seriously screwed installations, it's not guaranteed to work. |
| 20:24.03 | sandstorm | but one thing to clarify, we dont blame OTA or say OTA is bad :) |
| 20:24.12 | alterego | Flashing is easy, painless and is extremely reliable. |
| 20:24.12 | MaikB | [N900][Skype][Video] ah, according to this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53579&page=6 it doesn't work because I dare to use linux as my desktop OS |
| 20:24.22 | MaikB | pitty me :'( |
| 20:24.25 | alterego | exactly. |
| 20:24.34 | pupnik | apt-get upgrade is bad |
| 20:24.38 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:24.42 | toresbe | oops, sorry |
| 20:24.43 | sandstorm | just brainstorming about the probable consequences and etc |
| 20:25.27 | visz | well my vista with nokia pc suite doesn't seem to recognize my phone with some of the apps |
| 20:25.41 | visz | nokia maps uploader for example |
| 20:25.44 | pupnik | device still running after a g u alterego - at least wifi, web, irssi |
| 20:26.33 | MohammadAG | andre___, ping? |
| 20:26.37 | alterego | I'm just giving my opinion, I'm not saying one method is technically any better than another, I'm just expressing my personal bias toward flashing over doing OTA. |
| 20:26.45 | andre___ | MohammadAG, pong |
| 20:26.50 | alterego | That and PR1.2 was available before I got the OTA notification :D |
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| 20:27.06 | MohammadAG | andre___, just wondering if you could create a sub category for Desktop widgets -> Email Widget |
| 20:27.22 | GAN900 | I've only been able to do OTA for PR1.1.1 |
| 20:27.23 | MohammadAG | aka Component |
| 20:27.37 | pupnik | i think it is funny what happens |
| 20:27.39 | MohammadAG | Bug 10294 to be more exact |
| 20:27.40 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 Email widget on desktop does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts |
| 20:27.50 | sandstorm | alterego: for which, I appreciate it and I am glad about |
| 20:27.56 | alterego | GAN900: anything unusual about your N900? |
| 20:28.07 | alterego | sandstorm: no problem :) |
| 20:28.21 | alterego | GAN900: except it being yours that is :P |
| 20:29.00 | andre___ | MohammadAG, uhm I should, yeah |
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| 20:31.23 | andre___ | MohammadAG, done. thanks for noticing. |
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| 20:32.00 | MohammadAG | andre___, thanks for making it :) |
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| 20:32.43 | MohammadAG | andre___, heh, changing a small detail emailed everyone |
| 20:33.21 | andre___ | hmm? which detail? |
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| 20:34.34 | GAN900 | alterego, September proto. |
| 20:34.42 | GAN900 | alterego, and early firmware access. :P |
| 20:35.00 | chupy35 | hi, i was upgrading my n900, but when it was upgrading, but my battery goes empty and now my n900 dont turn on, only reboots and a red led turns on what can i do? |
| 20:35.17 | alterego | GAN900: hahah, oh, well, they did say that it wouldn't work for the early 1.2 leaks |
| 20:35.42 | alterego | chupy35: charge it |
| 20:35.59 | chupy35 | alterego its already charged |
| 20:36.32 | chupy35 | but it fails the upgrading and i fuck it up and can boot now, i upgrade with apt dist upgrade |
| 20:36.43 | MohammadAG | andre___, the component one in the bug, changed it from contacts to email widget |
| 20:36.44 | GAN900 | alterego, well, it was an official early |
| 20:36.50 | GAN900 | alterego, and the same as the released. |
| 20:37.01 | MohammadAG | andre___, you should've received an email anyways :) |
| 20:37.09 | andre___ | ah that one. yeppah |
| 20:37.15 | GAN900 | alterego, so I didn't NEED to OTA. Since I already had it. |
| 20:37.52 | rdorsch | I am wondering why I do not see PR1.2 in the program manager (it claims 0 updates are available) |
| 20:38.02 | rdorsch | when I do and apt-get upgrade, I get |
| 20:38.04 | rdorsch | 1055 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded. |
| 20:38.04 | rdorsch | Need to get 106MB of archives. |
| 20:38.04 | rdorsch | After this operation, 8606kB disk space will be freed. |
| 20:38.05 | rdorsch | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 20:38.27 | chupy35 | how can i repair my n900? |
| 20:38.27 | rdorsch | Is that expected or do I miss something? |
| 20:39.11 | MohammadAG | rdorsch, you probably broke the mp-fremantle-<productcode>-pr package |
| 20:39.13 | rdorsch | chupy35: there are a number of service manuals available. |
| 20:39.40 | GAN900 | Too bad the business end axed the beta program |
| 20:39.42 | lcuk | chupy35, : |
| 20:39.45 | lcuk | ~flashing |
| 20:39.46 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:40.12 | rdorsch | /home/user # apt-cache search mp-fremantle |
| 20:40.12 | rdorsch | mp-fremantle-generic-pr - |
| 20:40.12 | rdorsch | /home/user # |
| 20:41.03 | chadi | were you guys able to improve the framerate for contacts scrolling? |
| 20:41.08 | rdorsch | MohammadAG: is mp-fremantle-<productcode>-pr available for download from an apt-source or was that preinstalled? |
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| 20:41.15 | chupy35 | thanls lcuk |
| 20:41.25 | chadi | the transitions improvement is great so far :) |
| 20:41.26 | Mbere | could someone help me |
| 20:41.31 | Mbere | i'm new to this |
| 20:41.33 | rdorsch | I see only mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 20:41.33 | MohammadAG | rdorsch, preinstalled, just reinstall it |
| 20:41.48 | MohammadAG | umm, <productcode> is what you need to replace... |
| 20:41.58 | MohammadAG | generic for global 002 for US etc... |
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| 20:42.08 | Mbere | how to i install applications that i downloaded to my p.c. |
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| 20:43.01 | Mbere | ? |
| 20:43.24 | lcuk | Mbere, you downloaded them to your pc? why? |
| 20:43.35 | Mbere | coz |
| 20:43.48 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 20:43.49 | Mbere | i have free internet when i'm using my p.c. |
| 20:43.57 | sandstorm | can I somehow see the ingredients of the backup file/files created by backup manager? I am just wondering what type of data it stores as backups . |
| 20:44.11 | MohammadAG | sandstorm, normal zip files |
| 20:44.17 | Mbere | its costly when i use the application manager |
| 20:44.26 | lcuk | Mbere, ? wifi |
| 20:44.28 | Dima202 | Hmm, I wonder why they removed search from app manager |
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| 20:44.30 | rdorsch | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 20:44.48 | lcuk | Dima202, because if you go into the categories, click all and start typing it magically searches! |
| 20:44.49 | rdorsch | do they want me to free 122 MB in the root filesystem for OTA PR1.2? |
| 20:44.52 | lcuk | same for any other category |
| 20:44.54 | sandstorm | MohammadAG: does it compress all the applications I installed including all their conf and executable files ? |
| 20:45.05 | Dima202 | oh cool didn't know that thanks |
| 20:45.06 | lcuk | sandstorm, application config only |
| 20:45.08 | MohammadAG | sandstorm, it backs up application lists |
| 20:45.14 | lcuk | and repository list+app list |
| 20:45.21 | lcuk | when you restore you can then restore apps ontop |
| 20:45.22 | Mbere | i don't have wifi at this point |
| 20:45.30 | Mbere | is there no other way? |
| 20:45.32 | lcuk | drinks faster |
| 20:45.49 | sandstorm | so list for apps and their conf files are stored as backups anything else? (just trying to understand the dynamics) |
| 20:45.52 | lcuk | Mbere, not easily as a regular user with gui |
| 20:46.03 | lcuk | if you ssh as root you can use your linux skills and dpkg :) |
| 20:46.07 | Mbere | i could install .deb files |
| 20:46.13 | Mbere | but |
| 20:46.19 | Mbere | .install files? |
| 20:46.26 | Mbere | how do i install those |
| 20:46.41 | lcuk | those just tell you which repository and package to grab |
| 20:46.47 | dotblank | Mbere, usually those are python arn't that or is that setup |
| 20:46.49 | lcuk | and are specifically for HAM |
| 20:47.05 | dotblank | nah nvm its setup.py that does that |
| 20:47.08 | sandstorm | so anyhow can I see which conf files it stores in the backup files, maybe I could want to ignore some of them to make them refreshed with the default ones? |
| 20:47.29 | dotblank | sandstorm, you could flash EVERYthing |
| 20:47.39 | Mbere | i can install debian files using the x terminal yes |
| 20:47.51 | dotblank | or rm ~/. |
| 20:47.57 | sandstorm | dotblank: I know but I am trying to understand the basics you know |
| 20:48.02 | Mbere | but how do i install those with the .install extnsion? |
| 20:48.08 | sandstorm | the tweaks etc. |
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| 20:48.58 | Dassu | :grrr flashing my n900 |
| 20:49.09 | Dassu | hopefully will not result in failure or lost data |
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| 20:49.20 | kthomas | ^good luck |
| 20:49.33 | Dassu | I know I will lose some of the data but what if like images or such. Shouldn't happen cause those are in MyDocs |
| 20:49.39 | Mbere | so no one knows? |
| 20:50.00 | Dassu | CMT flased successfully |
| 20:50.03 | Dassu | booting now |
| 20:50.06 | kthomas | is too stubborn to flash |
| 20:50.11 | Dassu | grrr |
| 20:50.11 | dotblank | Mbere, what other files are in the program |
| 20:50.16 | Dassu | :D lol, it was quick |
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| 20:50.36 | Dassu | :( I was so scared because 500euros is so much for me |
| 20:50.55 | alterego | Dassu: scared of what? |
| 20:50.55 | Mbere | dotblank , could you be specific perhaps? |
| 20:51.27 | Dassu | alterego: like bricking it |
| 20:51.34 | dotblank | Mbere, is the only file you have is a .install? |
| 20:51.34 | Dassu | "oops power cut" |
| 20:51.56 | pupnik | try flashing with a damaged usb header for excitement |
| 20:52.05 | alterego | Dassu: hundreds of Nokias are flashed every day, maybe even thouasands, no one really has any problems. The chances of you drastically breaking it are so very slim :P |
| 20:52.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:52.30 | dotblank | Ive flashed mine plenty |
| 20:52.55 | Mbere | dotblank like for example eyes-widget.install thats wat i have |
| 20:53.20 | dotblank | hmm can you cat the file? |
| 20:53.34 | Mbere | cat? |
| 20:53.42 | dotblank | its a command |
| 20:53.43 | Mbere | sorry i'm such a n00b |
| 20:53.58 | dotblank | reads the contents of a file |
| 20:54.26 | Mbere | well |
| 20:54.34 | Mbere | after copying it to my phone |
| 20:54.37 | Mbere | i can see it |
| 20:54.49 | Mbere | but i don't know how to install it |
| 20:54.56 | dotblank | whats in it |
| 20:54.58 | dotblank | the file |
| 20:55.15 | dotblank | binary data or a description of where to download it |
| 20:55.21 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.40 | Dassu | Yep |
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| 20:56.25 | Mbere | just the icon |
| 20:56.54 | Dassu | woot, All my shortcuts were restored. |
| 20:56.54 | Mbere | k lemme put the question this way |
| 20:57.12 | Mbere | is the another way to install apps withut using the application mamanger? |
| 20:57.21 | Dassu | yes, apt-get |
| 20:57.26 | Dassu | or dpkg |
| 20:58.40 | MohammadAG | or manual unpacking :) |
| 20:58.43 | MohammadAG | I'm off |
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| 20:58.52 | Mbere | k thanks |
| 20:59.06 | Mbere | will try that |
| 21:01.07 | Dantonic | how do I install PR1.2 from ubuntu? |
| 21:01.18 | Dantonic | is there an installer application? |
| 21:01.37 | sandstorm | been 215 megabytes and NSU is still dling pr1.2 |
| 21:01.45 | andre___ | Dantonic, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:02.22 | andre___ | Dantonic: but normally you don't need to reflash. no on-the-fly update possible? |
| 21:02.38 | Dantonic | won't let me |
| 21:02.45 | Dantonic | says I have to do it through the installer |
| 21:03.03 | Dantonic | are you able to visit the wiki? for some reason I can only visit the "talk" area of maemo.org |
| 21:03.17 | Dantonic | been try to get there all morning the wiki that is |
| 21:03.28 | andre___ | uhm. I recommend a data backup in that case |
| 21:03.31 | andre___ | wiki works here |
| 21:03.41 | Dantonic | damn it! |
| 21:03.45 | Dantonic | this sucks! |
| 21:03.50 | sandstorm | works here as well |
| 21:04.14 | sandstorm | try viewing it over vtunnel.com |
| 21:04.26 | tuliobaars | Hey people, is it real? it can't, huh? a N900 for 285Bucks! |
| 21:04.29 | tuliobaars | http://bnnshop.com/proView.php?proid=341 |
| 21:04.40 | sandstorm | I doubt it is |
| 21:04.59 | DrGrov | hello hello guys and girls |
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| 21:05.26 | tuliobaars | yep, but... i wanna try... |
| 21:05.41 | tuliobaars | a n900 for 285...it sounds like a dream |
| 21:05.44 | Dantonic | CGI Error |
| 21:05.44 | Dantonic | No response from wiki.maemo.org:80 |
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| 21:05.55 | Dantonic | thats from vtunnel |
| 21:05.58 | sandstorm | hmm |
| 21:06.00 | sandstorm | so it means |
| 21:06.00 | andre___ | tuliobaars: ROFL. with typos in their webpage, like "Detials". that looks veeeery serious ;-) |
| 21:06.06 | sandstorm | theres a server thingie going on |
| 21:06.11 | tuliobaars | sorry, andree? |
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| 21:06.19 | Dantonic | :( |
| 21:06.20 | tuliobaars | what's ROFL? |
| 21:06.51 | andre___ | ROFL = a good laugh. |
| 21:06.56 | sandstorm | :) |
| 21:07.12 | Dantonic | Rolling On Floor Laughing.... ROFL |
| 21:07.33 | sandstorm | like LOL |
| 21:07.36 | dotblank | odd.. i seem to get a better signal in pr 1.2 |
| 21:07.42 | tuliobaars | oooh, thanks |
| 21:07.47 | tuliobaars | ok, i got it |
| 21:07.52 | asj_ | ROFL is lauding way harder than LOL |
| 21:07.55 | sandstorm | better signal from wifi ? |
| 21:07.57 | dotblank | I never get 3g at my house and after the update I'm always getting it |
| 21:08.00 | andre___ | tuliobaars: as many typos as they have on their website I have problems to imagine that it's a serious company. plus what does "Brand: Nikon" mean? looks not trust-worthy at all to me |
| 21:08.01 | sandstorm | or gsm line ? |
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| 21:08.19 | Dantonic | finally made it to the wiki |
| 21:08.19 | sandstorm | hmm interesting point |
| 21:08.26 | tuliobaars | whats typos? Brand: Nikon...why? |
| 21:08.51 | dotblank | unless tmo upgraded my cell tower right when i flashed my device...I think i can attribute the enhancement to pr 1.2 |
| 21:09.01 | sandstorm | anyone experienced any significant battery life change comparing pr1.1.1 and pr1.2 ? |
| 21:09.07 | dotblank | yes |
| 21:09.12 | asj_ | sandstorm: yes |
| 21:09.18 | sandstorm | in a good way or bad ? |
| 21:09.21 | tuliobaars | ohh, now i saw...brand nikon |
| 21:09.30 | tuliobaars | but, what is typos? |
| 21:09.30 | asj_ | sandstorm: good, I saw a large increase. subjective though |
| 21:09.37 | DrGrov | yes, battery life is better right? |
| 21:09.37 | sandstorm | hmm |
| 21:09.41 | andre___ | tuliobaars, typo = wrong spelling of words |
| 21:09.57 | tuliobaars | ah, thanks... |
| 21:09.58 | sandstorm | so maybe its the best news I've heard about pr1.2 |
| 21:10.25 | dotblank | works great with my grooveshark app :) |
| 21:10.38 | sandstorm | because over than it's a very handful device, longer battery life makes it better with its cellphone function :) |
| 21:10.46 | tuliobaars | should i buy it? i'm dying for a N900... |
| 21:10.57 | dotblank | tuliobaars, do you like linux? |
| 21:10.58 | asj_ | sandstorm: I was web browsing this morning and it seemed faster too |
| 21:11.08 | tuliobaars | a lot |
| 21:11.23 | tuliobaars | i have an n810 and trying to install xubunntu! |
| 21:11.23 | sandstorm | asj_: good news keep coming :) |
| 21:11.29 | Dantonic | lol |
| 21:11.31 | Dantonic | Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' |
| 21:11.34 | Dantonic | wtf! |
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| 21:11.38 | pupnik | nothing would replace a n900 except a n810 plus cell-model |
| 21:11.40 | tuliobaars | Xubuntu? |
| 21:11.42 | pupnik | modem |
| 21:11.43 | Dantonic | won't work for 64 bit? |
| 21:11.45 | asj_ | sandstorm: it's way less buggy than the prerelease I had access too. :) |
| 21:11.47 | dotblank | tuliobaars, do you like ssh access to your phone and spending many hours tinkering with the device and constantly having to re-flash it becuase you contantly mess up? |
| 21:11.51 | Dantonic | I have 9.10 but it's 64 bit |
| 21:12.22 | sandstorm | asj_: 282 megabytes and going up, can't wait it coming :) |
| 21:12.41 | asj_ | sandstorm: it's a ~170 meg image.... |
| 21:12.50 | tuliobaars | i never had connect my n810 by ssh, (i don't know how to, and yes...reflash at least 1 time per month |
| 21:12.54 | Dantonic | well whatever |
| 21:13.04 | Dantonic | not gonna be able to do this today |
| 21:13.08 | sandstorm | it probably also dling nokia pc suite and updater updates as well :) |
| 21:13.21 | asj_ | sandstorm: oh god, Ovi Suite here you come... |
| 21:13.35 | sandstorm | Ovi Suite compatibility ? |
| 21:14.02 | asj_ | sandstorm: sadly video calling I don't think works well, it's too dark. To "hide" the front camera I think it's smoked so dark no light gets through... |
| 21:14.04 | kirma | any idea if message sound could be disabled for group chats and left on for one-to-one chats? |
| 21:14.16 | asj_ | sandstorm: which isn't pr1.2 fault ;) |
| 21:14.30 | sandstorm | hmm |
| 21:14.39 | sandstorm | is Ovi Suite compatible with pr1.2 ? |
| 21:14.59 | asj_ | sandstorm: no clue, it breaks to many things for me so I don't install it |
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| 21:15.12 | sandstorm | ah that would be a killer news |
| 21:15.15 | sandstorm | if it was so :D |
| 21:15.22 | alterego | gets back into Qt hacking |
| 21:15.51 | pupnik | asj, better than transmitting pure noise |
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| 21:16.30 | asj_ | sandstorm: I'm relatively pleased with pr1.2 tbh, I have a few problems, but I also changed devices at the same time so <shrug> |
| 21:16.31 | zChris | Hey how is the community for maemo? Big? Productive? :) |
| 21:16.34 | sandstorm | hmm I wonder what NSU is dling, its 310 mbs and going up.. |
| 21:16.49 | zChris | Im wondering if its "worth" getting a N900 or if you should wait |
| 21:16.50 | asj_ | sandstorm: the 1.7gig emmc ;) |
| 21:16.58 | asj_ | zChris: wait for what? |
| 21:17.10 | sandstorm | asj_: what kind of problems? personal ones or general ones ? |
| 21:17.21 | zChris | asj_: Either wait for MeeGo or get an Android or Iphone(not likekly) |
| 21:17.27 | asj_ | sandstorm: Nokia Messaging is broken for me |
| 21:18.06 | sandstorm | asj_: ah is that for SMSing ? never used Nokia Messaging before. |
| 21:18.20 | asj_ | zChris: I wouldn't hold your breath on meego from nokia |
| 21:18.26 | asj_ | sandstorm: no, email |
| 21:18.30 | sandstorm | hmm |
| 21:18.34 | zChris | asj_: Reason being? :) |
| 21:18.43 | asj_ | zChris: you would die waiting? |
| 21:18.59 | zChris | Now we dont want that :) |
| 21:19.04 | sandstorm | asj_: is it because your e-mail provider? |
| 21:19.09 | asj_ | though I think the world record is like 30 minutes so that's not saying much |
| 21:19.32 | tuliobaars | please, visit my NIT Blog and rate it: http://ttablet.blogspot.com |
| 21:20.21 | asj_ | sandstorm: email provider has imap, but Nokia Messaging gives you push notificiation speeds, low bw |
| 21:20.46 | tuliobaars | so, is it good? i know that need more posts, but, whatever... |
| 21:20.55 | sandstorm | asj_: hmm, tried thunderbird if it's available for maemo ? |
| 21:21.01 | zChris | Now is maemo community big? |
| 21:21.07 | zChris | :) Perhaps its a stupid question |
| 21:21.20 | lcuk | anyone know where the Qtablet source is hiding - the one that seemed to work well on n810 |
| 21:21.24 | tuliobaars | the blog?.... |
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| 21:21.40 | tuliobaars | i think you don't like it.... |
| 21:22.40 | asj_ | sandstorm: I can't stand thunderbird on linux... ;) |
| 21:22.45 | tuliobaars | OK. Now i'm sure! |
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| 21:24.02 | tuliobaars | last time: Anybody enterded on it? |
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| 21:24.33 | pupnik | i checked it out tuliobaars |
| 21:24.46 | tuliobaars | ohh, thak you! |
| 21:24.48 | wazd | Stskeeps: around? :) |
| 21:24.53 | tuliobaars | the only one! |
| 21:24.59 | tuliobaars | byebye |
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| 21:25.04 | sandstorm | asj_: I see, btw I got 356 mbs and still going up, I really wonder what it is, maybe the image is this big or I miss something. |
| 21:25.37 | asj_ | sandstorm: you're in the states? you have unlim bw no |
| 21:25.39 | asj_ | ? |
| 21:26.20 | sandstorm | asj_: not in states, but I have unlimited bandwidth |
| 21:26.52 | sandstorm | I had some maps from Ovi, can it be them maybe? |
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| 21:27.43 | sandstorm | it says: Downloading a new version of Nokia Software Updater.. still :| |
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| 21:28.15 | TheFaioli | Newbie question: If I use apt-get install pkgname, why isn't pkgname being listed as installed in pkg_config --list-all ? |
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| 21:29.11 | TheFaioli | (scratchbox) |
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| 21:30.06 | Shapeshifter | Mh |
| 21:30.33 | Shapeshifter | I wonder why i just received an SMS from a random number stating: "mobile-login: 1234567" the numbers forming some sort of password. |
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| 21:31.40 | KenYoung | Are other people seeing extremely sluggish response times from the maemo.org site? |
| 21:31.56 | jaska | wiki.maemo.org atleast |
| 21:32.09 | TheFaioli | Shapeshifter: [guessing] a program which has a "continue on mobile" option, into which the user entered your mobile number by mistake. |
| 21:32.34 | TheFaioli | maemo.org times out on me. |
| 21:32.50 | zChris | same here |
| 21:32.59 | sp3000 | TheFaioli: if it's a -dev package that installs a .pc file somewhere useful it should -- of course the name isn't necessarily an exact match |
| 21:33.11 | Hariainm | hello! can anybody answering me a question? reflashing the N900 keeps your contacts and messages, but what about the calling log? |
| 21:33.16 | TheFaioli | sp3000: I use grep... no match... |
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| 21:34.32 | lcuk | TheFaioli, not all packages supply pkg_config config files |
| 21:34.40 | CLabel | i just tested webgl with pr1.2 |
| 21:36.25 | TheFaioli | lcuk: Can I add it manually? |
| 21:36.50 | lcuk | well which package is it for? |
| 21:36.57 | lcuk | perhaps you could create them a .pc config file |
| 21:37.03 | lcuk | and file a bug adding that as a patch |
| 21:37.14 | lcuk | and helping explain where its meant to go and how it helps other devs using the lib |
| 21:37.15 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:37.51 | guysoft42 | no meego for N810 right? |
| 21:37.53 | TheFaioli | I'm trying to build conboy and it checks for several missing libs, which I managed to apt-get from the extras... and then it went on complaining :-) |
| 21:38.19 | sandstorm | Nokia Update is at 440 mbs and still downloading something :| |
| 21:38.20 | TheFaioli | lcuk: ! |
| 21:38.36 | TheFaioli | gotcha. |
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| 21:39.33 | lcuk | TheFaioli, if you were finding missing libs trying to build it |
| 21:39.42 | lcuk | apt-get build-dep [thingyouwanttobuild] |
| 21:40.12 | lcuk | it should bring in everything the developer remembered he needs for you to rebuild his program |
| 21:40.34 | lcuk | if the app has made it to extras-devel, the chances are this should work |
| 21:40.40 | lcuk | because its used by the autobuilder ;) |
| 21:40.55 | TheFaioli | I need to add extras-devel to the sources.lst then |
| 21:41.27 | alterego | Has anyone wrote a service which updates your IM status to what you're currently listening to? |
| 21:41.59 | GAN900 | alterego, not as far as I know. |
| 21:41.59 | lcuk | TheFaioli, potentially, it should work same for -testing or proper extras too |
| 21:42.00 | DrGrov | I am having issues to get Conversations Inbox widget to be properly displayed. |
| 21:42.06 | lcuk | since promotion usually handles deps |
| 21:42.13 | alterego | GAN900: cool, because I'm just hacking one together now ^.^ |
| 21:42.20 | TheFaioli | Proper extras were a no-go, it needs a -devel dependency. |
| 21:42.43 | DrGrov | I tried to activate it, nothing happened so I removed it from Program manager and then installed it again but it doesn't show up at all. I rebooted as well just in case but still nothing visible of the Conversations Inbox widget. Anyone got any clues to why? |
| 21:42.46 | lcuk | ok TheFaioli reasonable enough |
| 21:43.53 | DrGrov | It is not being displayed in the 'Add widget' box.... |
| 21:43.55 | sandstorm | anybody know how many mbs does pr1.2 image take ? |
| 21:44.58 | DrGrov | Anyone got any clues at all about the Conversations Inbox widget not showing up at all? |
| 21:44.59 | TheFaioli | Hm, can't add extras-devel? Can't access keyring no such file or directory... |
| 21:45.59 | Macer | droid incredible? is that like an iphone gsXtreme 4G ? |
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| 21:46.14 | TheFaioli | ah! |
| 21:46.17 | TheFaioli | eureka! |
| 21:46.38 | TheFaioli | Only apt-get update doesn't work, but build-dep does. Thanks! |
| 21:47.16 | Macer | i need to hook my n900 up to a win pc and update this thing |
| 21:47.19 | Macer | blah |
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| 21:49.39 | TheFaioli | So, apparently no need to file a .pc file bugfix in this case. |
| 21:50.12 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ping |
| 21:52.15 | Macer | heh |
| 21:52.27 | DrGrov | It is mighty strange |
| 21:52.48 | DrGrov | The Conversations Inbox Desktop Widget is showing now in the 'Add wiget' menu once I removed it.... |
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| 21:56.16 | Macer | cuddy is gettig married |
| 21:56.23 | wazd | can anybody please point me at PR 1.2 theme template please if it exists? :) |
| 21:56.24 | Macer | poor broken hearted house |
| 21:56.46 | Macer | is 1.2 a major update? |
| 21:56.58 | lcuk | wazd, konttori_work or andrewfblack owuld be best to ask |
| 21:57.01 | Macer | i mean is it a noticable difference ? |
| 21:57.41 | lcuk | yes, it includes many bugfixes and speedups and optimisations and tweaks for usability |
| 21:57.51 | Macer | im pondering the fact that i have to drag a monitor to the one win box i have to upgrade |
| 21:57.59 | alterego | Is there a python method for converting encoded names for dbus objects? |
| 21:58.07 | alterego | like foo_2dbar ? |
| 21:58.29 | alterego | Where _2d gets replaced with it's proper character? |
| 21:58.30 | lcuk | alterego, specialist, google would know better |
| 21:58.48 | Macer | blah... let me dig up my netbook |
| 21:59.00 | alterego | lcuk: yeah, I was simultaneously googling, just wondering as maemo is very dbus centric whether anyone here would have come across it ;) |
| 21:59.21 | lcuk | sure |
| 22:00.10 | MarLawN | ok, 1.2 here, something fannoying, if you're on a skype call (no video) you can't take a picture with the 5M pixel camera (on the back). |
| 22:00.45 | alterego | lcuk: I can't even be bothered now, just gonna write my own ^.^ |
| 22:00.52 | lcuk | :D |
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| 22:01.04 | alterego | Nothing came up after the first couple of searches. |
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| 22:05.31 | sandstorm | okay, I am starting to become suspicious, Nokia Software Updater started updating itself and it has downloaded 600 mbs so far and keep going, is it normal ? |
| 22:05.46 | alterego | Heh, 600 ... |
| 22:05.48 | alterego | Erm .. |
| 22:05.56 | alterego | I don't think that's normal, but I don't use windows. |
| 22:06.16 | sandstorm | I wonder how I can figure out whats going on |
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| 22:09.07 | loufoque_ | ~flashing |
| 22:09.08 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 22:10.56 | sandstorm | I doubt flashing wiki has the proper info about the size |
| 22:11.59 | SpeedEvil | Did you have lots of apps installed? |
| 22:12.07 | djkrikke | What do you guys think about this post http://my.opera.com/yodude/blog/how-to-overclock-the-n900-to-a-relatively-safe-r-800mhz ? |
| 22:12.17 | sandstorm | hm not really I just have 10-15 at max |
| 22:12.25 | sandstorm | and the device is plugged in right now |
| 22:12.38 | sandstorm | maybe thats why software updater dling so many files ? |
| 22:13.11 | sandstorm | the biggest app I have is kmplayer with mplayer I guess |
| 22:13.23 | sandstorm | 650mbs and going up btw |
| 22:13.43 | SpeedEvil | Speaking personally - ir depends djkrikke. |
| 22:13.56 | djkrikke | On what does it depend SpeedEvil ? |
| 22:14.05 | SpeedEvil | how long do you intend to keep your n900? |
| 22:14.08 | cehteh | can it be that the camera uses extensively much power? |
| 22:14.13 | SpeedEvil | 6 months, or 5 years? |
| 22:14.23 | djkrikke | SpeedEvil, wil it make such a big difference on lifetime? |
| 22:14.27 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: The camera uses a fair bit of power, yes. |
| 22:14.33 | sandstorm | in 5 years N900 will be a garbage |
| 22:14.35 | sandstorm | for sure |
| 22:14.37 | cehteh | i ran mbarcode before and on battery graph i have an almost vertical line downwards |
| 22:14.50 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 22:15.14 | SpeedEvil | I have not run mbarcode to test. |
| 22:15.29 | SpeedEvil | however - it will use about backlight + CPUmax + camera |
| 22:15.44 | cehteh | yeah |
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| 22:16.22 | SpeedEvil | Which is ~600mA |
| 22:16.33 | SpeedEvil | so a battery life of ~2 hours |
| 22:17.02 | zChris | sandstorm: dont say that! Now you made me hesitate :P |
| 22:17.28 | dmj726 | ...Based on actual experience, I'd suggest a batter life of at least 3 when recording video. |
| 22:17.35 | sandstorm | sorry for that :O |
| 22:17.41 | zChris | On the other hand |
| 22:17.45 | SpeedEvil | dmj726: Recording video is somewhat lighter. |
| 22:17.46 | zChris | Atm i have a SEM p1i :) |
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| 22:17.55 | SpeedEvil | dmj726: The CPU isn't used all the time so much |
| 22:18.20 | dmj726 | well, it does need to display and encode the video |
| 22:18.25 | SpeedEvil | sandstorm: Speaking personally, I'm likely to be keeping it at least 3 years, unless it breaks. |
| 22:18.32 | dmj726 | ...but that's hopefully on the dsp |
| 22:18.32 | sandstorm | N900 is a beast atm so dont worry too much |
| 22:18.38 | SpeedEvil | dmj726: The encoding of the video is not done on the CPU |
| 22:18.40 | djkrikke | is the wiki really slow, or is it just me? |
| 22:18.54 | sandstorm | SpeedEvil makes sense, sir. |
| 22:19.26 | SpeedEvil | sandstorm: And replacing it if it breaks is not likely to happen. |
| 22:19.36 | sandstorm | at least 2 is more sensible though |
| 22:19.38 | SpeedEvil | So I'm very hesitant about overclocking. |
| 22:19.47 | sandstorm | same here |
| 22:20.01 | jaska | only thing id consider is undervolting, not sure how much that saves tho |
| 22:20.06 | sandstorm | and I see oc'ing useless for my usage |
| 22:20.11 | DrGrov | I keep loosing all my programs one after another |
| 22:20.24 | DrGrov | I lost the 2G/3G/Dual switcher from the status area |
| 22:20.35 | DrGrov | And I lost the WiFi Switcher. |
| 22:20.39 | DrGrov | WTF is happening? |
| 22:21.02 | sandstorm | dark side might be calling ? :) |
| 22:21.13 | djkrikke | DrGrov: you're officially doomed |
| 22:21.16 | djkrikke | the first n900 virus!! |
| 22:21.30 | djkrikke | ...not |
| 22:22.26 | sandstorm | 700mbs omg... |
| 22:22.28 | DrGrov | at least after a reinstall of the 2G/3G/Dual switcher and WiFi Switcher and reboot later I got the items back |
| 22:22.40 | DrGrov | My heart can't take this stress |
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| 22:23.19 | alterego | lcuk: It's not pretty, but: http://pastie.org/980911 |
| 22:23.34 | alterego | I'm sure there's a better way of doing it :/ |
| 22:29.19 | djkrikke | are there any tools yet too send text message from the computer? |
| 22:29.20 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 22:29.28 | timeless_mbp | buzz.google.com doesn't support the n900 |
| 22:30.24 | pupnik | types a text message |
| 22:30.30 | pigeon | what about that google buzz client? |
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| 22:36.58 | joker_89 | hi |
| 22:37.04 | joker_89 | anyone knows the SYNCML concepts? |
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| 22:37.12 | loufoque_ | I just upgraded by flashing the 1.2 UK image, but now 3G doesn't work anymore, I'm only on 2G |
| 22:37.15 | loufoque_ | I'm with vodafone |
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| 22:42.32 | cehteh | that will safe you some battery and a shitload of money :P |
| 22:44.02 | pupnik | mwheheh |
| 22:44.30 | pupnik | i am getting 2 4000mAh batteries |
| 22:44.40 | djkrikke | anyone else noticed that from 1.2 on, the browser scroll behavior changed? |
| 22:44.51 | pupnik | for ALL DAY computing |
| 22:45.00 | djkrikke | pupnik: which ones? |
| 22:45.22 | pupnik | openpandora ones :P |
| 22:45.24 | reggna | loufoque_: If you have used the 2G/3G/Dual switcher, and left it on 2G when flashing, you will need to install it again to switch back. |
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| 22:46.01 | djkrikke | lol pupnik, do they work with the n900? |
| 22:46.25 | loufoque_ | reggna: shouldn't flashing reset everything!? |
| 22:48.37 | Dantonic | damn it is the website down? |
| 22:48.45 | pupnik | djkrikke: nope, but maybe they wikll work with meego |
| 22:48.56 | Dantonic | has anyone successfully installed PR 1.2 from Ubuntu? |
| 22:48.58 | djkrikke | Dantonic: it's really slow in here |
| 22:49.14 | reggna | Dantonic: I have, yes. |
| 22:49.16 | Dantonic | I just want to install 1.2 Sigh |
| 22:49.22 | Dantonic | what installer did you download? |
| 22:49.26 | lcuk | Dantonic, Ubuntu released PR1.2 as well? |
| 22:49.36 | Dantonic | oh do you have 32 bit ubuntu? |
| 22:49.44 | loufoque_ | Dantonic: I did |
| 22:49.49 | Dantonic | lcuk I just mean using ubuntu to flash the N900 |
| 22:49.55 | lcuk | 32b ubuntu + flasher works hppily from my thinkpad |
| 22:50.04 | Dantonic | ok I have 64bit and I cant install it |
| 22:50.08 | reggna | Dantonic: Yes, 32 bit, using flasher-3.5 and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:50.17 | Dantonic | Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' |
| 22:50.22 | Dantonic | :( |
| 22:50.22 | reggna | lcuk: My thinkpad to. :) |
| 22:50.25 | Dantonic | any way around t? |
| 22:50.26 | Dantonic | it* |
| 22:50.29 | zChris | Are there any good adventure games for N900 ? |
| 22:50.31 | reggna | *o |
| 22:50.38 | lcuk | zChris, yeah, maemo |
| 22:50.56 | Dantonic | any way to install on 64 bit? |
| 22:50.56 | zChris | lcuk: hmm? |
| 22:51.05 | loufoque_ | how do you put the browser in portrait mode? |
| 22:51.07 | lcuk | people go raiding to level up |
| 22:51.12 | loufoque_ | ctrl+shift+O doesn't seem to work |
| 22:51.13 | DrGrov | Why does everything have to be such a PITA after the PR 1.2 upgrade? God damn this |
| 22:51.14 | lcuk | 12 man raids to make new widgets |
| 22:51.27 | zChris | Very helpfull. And VERY funny too lcuk |
| 22:51.43 | lcuk | zChris, this channel is the MMORPG lobby ;) |
| 22:52.47 | loufoque_ | ok you need to select "enable rotation" in the settings |
| 22:53.49 | BCMM | loufoque_: yeah, they made a GUI for portrait mode now |
| 22:53.53 | BCMM | you even get a back button |
| 22:54.11 | BCMM | (talking of which, very glad there is a proper back button now) |
| 22:54.33 | djkrikke | they'd better fix the dropped call problem |
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| 22:55.13 | loufoque_ | how do I completely reset the phone? even after flashing it it still has my IM account settings |
| 22:55.32 | loufoque_ | and my contacts |
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| 22:56.59 | reggna | loufoque_: Maybe, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32993 ? |
| 22:58.03 | loufoque_ | ok so I need to flash the eMMC as well |
| 23:03.30 | Macer | wow this update is a pain |
| 23:03.41 | Macer | it has to reinstall all the apps |
| 23:04.10 | Macer | is there bt kb support now? :) |
| 23:04.21 | Macer | something a little more... usable? |
| 23:05.23 | pupnik | i could imagine going back to the ThinkOutside Stowaway |
| 23:05.38 | Macer | heh |
| 23:05.46 | Macer | my su8w isnt too bad |
| 23:05.57 | Macer | although it is more so meangt for an n95 |
| 23:06.48 | zChris | It will be interesting too see if there will be an "standard" OS in the future |
| 23:06.55 | pupnik | yes, but third row is shifted too far to the left |
| 23:07.06 | pupnik | otherwise nice unit |
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| 23:13.53 | budfive | anybody know if there's a setting to adjust the direction of the volume rocker? Since PR1.2 it now works backwards in landscape mode (and correctly in portrait mode) |
| 23:13.53 | opdf2 | man youtube sucks on 1.2 |
| 23:14.54 | Macer | grr |
| 23:14.59 | Macer | damnit |
| 23:15.13 | Macer | bt kb stopped working after the update |
| 23:16.07 | pupnik | file bugs |
| 23:16.15 | Macer | now i have to go through the steps of getting it going |
| 23:16.33 | Macer | pupnik: it would more likely be an enhancement than a bug |
| 23:16.58 | Macer | too bad. my n810 worked with my NOKIA su8w |
| 23:17.23 | Macer | ;) |
| 23:17.38 | Macer | i will fix it later i suppose |
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| 23:18.15 | Macer | let me see what the update gives me |
| 23:18.45 | pupnik | i am just going to never reboot |
| 23:19.12 | Macer | haha |
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| 23:19.27 | Macer | hm. no portrait media player |
| 23:19.36 | Macer | :( was hoping for that |
| 23:19.47 | Macer | feels more naturl than the landscape |
| 23:20.07 | Macer | since the jack is on the "right" |
| 23:20.49 | pupnik | not a bad idea |
| 23:21.16 | pupnik | q |
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| 23:28.57 | Macer | portrait browsing works better :) |
| 23:29.16 | pupnik | wow .. why |
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| 23:33.45 | Macer | maybe not |
| 23:33.53 | Macer | no menu in portrait mode |
| 23:33.56 | Macer | heh |
| 23:34.03 | Macer | ah well.. bbl |
| 23:34.07 | pupnik | ttyl |
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| 23:37.36 | Macer | hey |
| 23:37.51 | Macer | is the fm transmitter an actual transmitter?? |
| 23:38.02 | Macer | like it sends out on an fm freq? |
| 23:38.18 | Macer | to play music in your car or something? |
| 23:38.33 | Termana | Macer, what else is an FM TRANSMITTER suppose to be? |
| 23:38.36 | djdm | Yes, it does |
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| 23:38.56 | Macer | heh |
| 23:39.08 | Macer | i just thought they got the word wrong ;) |
| 23:39.14 | djdm | Except your calls |
| 23:39.18 | Macer | fins :-P |
| 23:39.29 | Macer | wow thats awesome |
| 23:39.44 | Macer | this whole time i could have been using that! haha |
| 23:39.47 | djdm | No, I think they can write :) FM radio is fine too if you plug in some headphones for an antenna |
| 23:39.59 | Macer | haha |
| 23:40.07 | Macer | didnt say they couldnt write |
| 23:40.23 | pupnik | ymmv with interference |
| 23:40.27 | Macer | the word could have been confused in translation ;) |
| 23:40.52 | djdm | My apologies :) |
| 23:40.52 | Macer | i saw "transmitter" and was like... no way |
| 23:40.54 | Macer | haha |
| 23:42.33 | djdm | As a matter of fact, mine provided music for a party at my house last weekend (streaming from a DLNA server) |
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| 23:43.13 | Macer | well.. if they add easy bt kb support and cups and a portrait media player... it is win |
| 23:43.39 | Macer | but i am not seeing a huge difference in 1.2 |
| 23:43.49 | Macer | im sure a lot under the hood has changed |
| 23:43.50 | pupnik | check changelog |
| 23:44.25 | djdm | I normally use the Media Player one-handed with no problems |
| 23:44.50 | Macer | djdm: yeah.. but the way you pull it out the pocket leaves a portrait mode desired |
| 23:45.15 | Macer | jack is kind of in the way when landscape |
| 23:46.23 | Macer | pupnik: where is the changelog? |
| 23:46.56 | Macer | internal error application web closed? |
| 23:46.59 | Macer | wtf? |
| 23:47.17 | Macer | maybe a fluke |
| 23:47.50 | Macer | why does it seem like microb is running sluggish? |
| 23:48.13 | asj | you're trying to load a web page with 534 flash apps? |
| 23:48.23 | pupnik | how did you update Macer |
| 23:48.36 | Macer | pupnik: on a windows pc |
| 23:48.41 | Macer | with the nokia updater |
| 23:48.49 | Macer | then restored from a backup |
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| 23:49.14 | Macer | is maemo.org not working for anybody else? |
| 23:49.42 | jaska | slowly, ~10s to load a wiki page |
| 23:49.51 | djdm | Reading it at the moment - seems fine |
| 23:50.15 | Macer | doesnt seem to be working on my n900 |
| 23:51.53 | Macer | other pages are acting strange too |
| 23:52.59 | Macer | but maemo.org seems messed up |
| 23:54.03 | Macer | http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html |
| 23:54.08 | Macer | oops |
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| 23:57.46 | Macer | how do you initialize a video call? |
| 23:57.55 | Macer | i dont see the option anywhere |
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