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| 00:03.30 | DantonicN900 | In mappero is there a way to keep the map zoom at the previous level? So that the map view is actually bigger, and the street names are more readable? I know that was possible on the N800 but haven't figured it out on this. |
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| 00:04.43 | lipe | help on n900/maemo5 is here? |
| 00:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes |
| 00:05.01 | DantonicN900 | sometimes |
| 00:05.03 | DantonicN900 | lol |
| 00:05.58 | lipe | (sorry for my english) after reboot my n900 only appears calc icon on up/left screen |
| 00:06.37 | lipe | when i tap the screen, its vibre |
| 00:06.50 | lipe | the icon changes color on tap |
| 00:07.08 | lipe | but, no more action |
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| 00:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's odd |
| 00:08.34 | lipe | what's odd? |
| 00:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | the whole issue |
| 00:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | rebooted again? |
| 00:08.56 | lipe | many times |
| 00:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 00:09.46 | lipe | during boot/reboot the nokia handshake appears, the nokia sound plays, the load animation (whitch litle balls) appears |
| 00:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | and there's what? no black bar on top left? no double windowframe icon in the very upper left? |
| 00:09.56 | lipe | nothing |
| 00:10.04 | lipe | just calc icon |
| 00:10.10 | lipe | on upper/left |
| 00:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | pretty bad |
| 00:10.43 | lipe | oh oh |
| 00:10.47 | lipe | :) |
| 00:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | nah, nothing that can't be fixed |
| 00:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe you actually need to reflash |
| 00:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | what firmware/os version? |
| 00:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | did you update today? |
| 00:11.54 | lipe | i think i win a new paperweight |
| 00:11.55 | lipe | :) |
| 00:12.14 | lipe | today i'm not update the os |
| 00:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | so you're using 1.1.1 |
| 00:12.31 | lipe | just install some games |
| 00:12.34 | ptl | I did activate ssh by default, this way I can always get to the command line if anything goes wrong and I have network access. |
| 00:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | good! |
| 00:13.02 | lipe | great ideia ptl |
| 00:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, thought that's been you lipe |
| 00:13.26 | lipe | reflash is a best solution? |
| 00:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | if you can't get a shell... |
| 00:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | what happens if you press ctrl+backspace? |
| 00:14.13 | lipe | nothing |
| 00:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | powerbutton... is there a 'stop current task' button in the menu? |
| 00:15.12 | lipe | powerbutton only work if i press to shutting down |
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| 00:15.42 | xorAxAx | hmm, i wonder whether its out in .de already |
| 00:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | lipe: shift+ctrl+X |
| 00:16.31 | lipe | nothing too |
| 00:16.43 | MohammadAG | OMG http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/world-spends-4-82-million-hours-playing-google-pac-man-on-launch/ |
| 00:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | lipe: then probably you're out of luck. Reflash |
| 00:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | or hang on a while here, asking every 30 minutes |
| 00:17.35 | lipe | DocScrutinizer: i will try... thank you a lot |
| 00:17.58 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer: is PR 1.2 out already? |
| 00:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | quite possible someone with better advice may vome along eventually |
| 00:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: not here |
| 00:18.16 | xorAxAx | ok |
| 00:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | except for the fiasco of course |
| 00:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | global version |
| 00:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | OTA, no |
| 00:19.08 | xorAxAx | ah |
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| 00:20.04 | MohammadAG | it's already tomorrow |
| 00:20.06 | MohammadAG | what gives |
| 00:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | btw though I know the original italian (latin?) meaning, I nevertheless alway feel uncomfortable with that name |
| 00:20.24 | xorAxAx | 3:20 in finnland |
| 00:20.30 | MohammadAG | Oh hey, it's crashanddie's bday |
| 00:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:20.37 | MohammadAG | calls for a topic change :P |
| 00:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | calls for a ban :-P |
| 00:21.01 | MohammadAG | gets freenode staff |
| 00:21.06 | MohammadAG | second thoughts? :P |
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| 00:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | give him a patched hosts.conf and a nice special pr1.2 |
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| 00:22.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, shall I edit the optification script to run rm -rf? |
| 00:22.35 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: topic says 1.2 is out |
| 00:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | he was so excited about 1.2 on his bd, we can't ship the plain vanilla stock to him :-P |
| 00:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mega-out :-P |
| 00:24.24 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 00:24.43 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 shipping, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lMk :-) |
| 00:25.04 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 00:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: pr7.7 is IN |
| 00:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: bashing Nokia for not shipping meego with dancing hookers for N900 is IN |
| 00:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: pr1.2 definitely is soooooo OUT, toatlly MEGA-OUT |
| 00:27.50 | b-man | lol |
| 00:28.20 | roquetto | does anyone know to which package kde4-config belongs, or where i could grab the source? ( i need to build it on maemo) |
| 00:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | since amost 18h |
| 00:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | almost* |
| 00:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, s/lcuk/luke-jr/g |
| 00:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry for highlight, ETAB |
| 00:29.43 | luke-jr | ... |
| 00:29.47 | asj | I wonder if we can skip music tracks now without having to wake the device up, say using the headset dongle |
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| 00:30.24 | openstandards | Hi all |
| 00:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | asj: nope |
| 00:30.43 | b-man | hi openstandards :) |
| 00:31.09 | asj | DocScrutinizer: hmpf, nothing in /sys to tell us switch status? |
| 00:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | not without additional cruft to detect long press of HOLD-button |
| 00:31.24 | Kegetys | would be nice if the volume keys would change tracks when on the unlock slider screen, then you could press the power button once and then cycle tracks with the volume keys |
| 00:31.25 | openstandards | how much free space does a n900 have its rootfs as standard if you don't mind me asking |
| 00:31.55 | asj | Kegetys: I like that one, or maybe just a long press of volume keys? |
| 00:31.56 | SpeedEvil | ~80M I think |
| 00:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | openstandards: 77M downto some 10M |
| 00:32.29 | SpeedEvil | It does not - and this is a DEALBREAKER - have enough space to install build-essentials on /. |
| 00:32.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:32.47 | openstandards | damn the new update is 119mb and its bitching about having to be upgraded via pc :( |
| 00:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | no native gentoo |
| 00:32.58 | asj | shoots SpeedEvil, dealbreaker |
| 00:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | openstandards: you shalt update via App Manager! |
| 00:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | and if there are problems, then probably it's fine to have a look at wikipage |
| 00:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 00:34.05 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 00:35.08 | b-man | oh dear.. 119mb. - that means that i need to do a complete system restore of all of my stuff once i upgrade to 1.2 :( - gonna take several hours |
| 00:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: sounds quite sensible |
| 00:35.38 | MohammadAG | b-man, use apt-get, it helps |
| 00:35.41 | openstandards | DocScrutinizer, atm its moaning and giving me the maemo up message |
| 00:35.46 | MohammadAG | took about 30 minutes to restore all my apps |
| 00:35.59 | openstandards | b-man, i was wrong its 113 mb |
| 00:36.05 | MohammadAG | (I had the .debs though) |
| 00:36.09 | lcuk | rootfs space after a clean pr1.2 build is over 100mb |
| 00:36.20 | b-man | MohammadAG: i may just temporally reroute /var/cache/apt/archives to /opt |
| 00:36.30 | b-man | it worked when i installed quake3 |
| 00:36.35 | lcuk | i have 103 at the moment |
| 00:36.41 | MohammadAG | b-man, it's 'rerouted' to /media/mmc1 here |
| 00:36.47 | MohammadAG | 500MBs |
| 00:37.03 | b-man | well, symlink if you want to be specific xD |
| 00:37.15 | b-man | ;) |
| 00:37.29 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:38.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, max I could reach on 1.1.1 was 115MBs |
| 00:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | please everybody check http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting |
| 00:38.16 | MohammadAG | but I didn't move /usr/share/include |
| 00:38.26 | MohammadAG | lcuk, isn't it past your bed time? XP |
| 00:38.37 | b-man | MohammadAG: any luck with debootstrap btw? |
| 00:38.44 | lcuk | sure, DocScrutinizer pinged |
| 00:38.51 | MohammadAG | b-man, was restoring apps |
| 00:38.56 | MohammadAG | and now it's restoring convos |
| 00:39.04 | MohammadAG | a hefty 58MBs of them |
| 00:39.10 | b-man | heh |
| 00:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry for that |
| 00:39.20 | MohammadAG | I should use my PC for chat more often |
| 00:39.29 | SpeedEvil | I had maybe too many apps installed. |
| 00:39.36 | SpeedEvil | It wanted to download 600M. |
| 00:39.42 | MohammadAG | that's nothing |
| 00:39.50 | MohammadAG | HAM wanted to download 1.2GBs |
| 00:40.00 | SpeedEvil | That was HAM - for me. |
| 00:40.01 | MohammadAG | (HAM duplicates dependencies apparently) |
| 00:40.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:40.04 | b-man | MohammadAG: i use to use my N800 almost exclusively for all development.. until i got a laptop lol |
| 00:40.18 | MohammadAG | b-man, LOL |
| 00:40.27 | b-man | xD |
| 00:40.29 | MohammadAG | b-man, I might install debootstrap in scratchbox |
| 00:40.36 | MohammadAG | on an i5 |
| 00:40.45 | MohammadAG | deb unpacking would be so much easier |
| 00:40.55 | b-man | yeah |
| 00:41.04 | MohammadAG | especially when locked at 2.80 |
| 00:41.12 | MohammadAG | or overclocked to 3.20 |
| 00:41.25 | MohammadAG | possibly more, I'll just run a hose with water in there |
| 00:41.34 | b-man | lol |
| 00:41.50 | b-man | was tempted to overclock his device |
| 00:41.58 | SpeedEvil | People have tried watercooling their n900s. |
| 00:42.13 | SpeedEvil | Generally down the toilet. |
| 00:42.15 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah I heard a lot of them dropped the N900s in toilets too |
| 00:42.16 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 00:42.22 | b-man | hahaha |
| 00:42.34 | yuizy_ | :D |
| 00:42.47 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 00:42.54 | MohammadAG | laughs hard |
| 00:43.03 | SpeedEvil | My 3G connection is going 10* faster than my DSL |
| 00:43.05 | b-man | laughs harder |
| 00:43.41 | b-man | wished he had a data plan |
| 00:43.58 | MohammadAG | get one :P |
| 00:44.04 | MohammadAG | has 5GBs each month |
| 00:44.07 | SpeedEvil | is about to buy another 6 months of internet. |
| 00:44.10 | b-man | don't have the money atm |
| 00:44.12 | SpeedEvil | For 20 quid. |
| 00:44.17 | SpeedEvil | Only 1G/mo - but meh |
| 00:44.28 | MohammadAG | no 1G option |
| 00:44.33 | MohammadAG | otherwise I'd go for it |
| 00:44.40 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile - uk |
| 00:44.51 | MohammadAG | it's either 30, 150, 5000, or 20000 (no idea who does the maths here) |
| 00:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you better don't ask |
| 00:45.31 | b-man | is a highschool student without a job due to the lousy econimy - i have no money for such a plan lol |
| 00:45.51 | SpeedEvil | They do careful studies, to make sure that there are four seperate classes of users that typically use 40, 180, 6000 or 25000. |
| 00:46.05 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | mehehe |
| 00:46.37 | MohammadAG | b-man, the media makes the US look cheaper it seems :) |
| 00:46.43 | MohammadAG | how much is 1GB a month |
| 00:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | enough |
| 00:47.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: $5(us) equivalent/mo |
| 00:47.15 | b-man | in some places up to $50/month |
| 00:47.24 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: But I pay absolutely nothing else for the mobile service. |
| 00:47.29 | SpeedEvil | (well - unless I make calls) |
| 00:47.37 | MohammadAG | don't make calls tbh |
| 00:47.40 | b-man | phone carriers suck here :( |
| 00:47.46 | MohammadAG | I have 5GBs, so I got my friends to join skype |
| 00:47.51 | MohammadAG | problem solved |
| 00:47.57 | SpeedEvil | I made one call. |
| 00:48.21 | MohammadAG | to check your voicemail? :P |
| 00:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart MohammadAG for recommending skype |
| 00:48.23 | infobot | keeps mailing MohammadAG free America Online CDs until he drowns for recommending skype |
| 00:48.33 | b-man | LOL |
| 00:48.38 | MohammadAG | wtf lol |
| 00:48.46 | b-man | xDD |
| 00:48.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why, skype rules! |
| 00:48.55 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 00:49.23 | b-man | ~lart MohammadAG for hiding |
| 00:49.23 | infobot | chops MohammadAG in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for hiding |
| 00:49.31 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no - to get the number of my mobile on my landline, so I can ring it back and see if the modem wakes the device from suspend-RAM. |
| 00:49.50 | b-man | infobot has a lot of CDs :D |
| 00:49.56 | SpeedEvil | It does actually - but what also wakes it is signal strength reports. Which is a pity. |
| 00:50.16 | SpeedEvil | (as they are about every 5-30 seconds usually) |
| 00:50.32 | MohammadAG | LOL SpeedEvil |
| 00:50.50 | MohammadAG | b-man, someone lart'd here before |
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| 00:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | b-man: you bet. She's collecting all my crap since I know her |
| 00:52.46 | b-man | lol |
| 00:52.57 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:53.02 | MohammadAG | can I send her some? |
| 00:53.19 | MohammadAG | a year ago I burned an iso of Ubuntu every time I needed one |
| 00:53.23 | MohammadAG | I have about 15-20 |
| 00:53.30 | MohammadAG | (same version - ironically) |
| 00:53.48 | b-man | i use to get useless AOL CDs in the mail all the time |
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| 00:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what??? the don't disable unsol msgs from celmo?? |
| 00:54.11 | MohammadAG | b-man, I never got AOL CDs, haha! |
| 00:54.33 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Well - suspend-RAM isn't normally done AIUI |
| 00:54.46 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't save _that_ much power. |
| 00:55.17 | b-man | MohammadAG: i did get a free Linux magazine with ubuntu xD |
| 00:55.19 | SpeedEvil | But I think it goes with cellmo active - from somewhere like 4 days standby to 6 |
| 00:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: still I'd expect the cellmo unsol get disabled whenever signal meter is hidden |
| 00:55.57 | SpeedEvil | There are also things that might be listening to signal strength on dbus |
| 00:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, except inbound signalling |
| 00:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | if that's group unsol at all |
| 00:56.40 | SpeedEvil | It's signal strength reports that's waking it |
| 00:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | epic fail |
| 00:56.56 | b-man | needs to turn on the air - got up to 88F today |
| 00:56.57 | SpeedEvil | at least - I assume so - there are no broadcast messages on UK nets AIUI |
| 00:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | and you'd need to explicitly enable those afaik |
| 00:58.11 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | btw WHEN will we get CB on N900?? NOKIA!! |
| 00:58.22 | MohammadAG | CB? |
| 00:58.28 | MohammadAG | coffee break? |
| 00:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | cell broadcast |
| 00:59.01 | SpeedEvil | I don't think the FMTX will go down to 27MHz |
| 00:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha, knew somebody's going to say that :-P |
| 00:59.28 | SpeedEvil | envisions a n900 with a 1/4 wave 27MHz antenna out the top. |
| 01:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | 5/8 |
| 01:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | groundplane |
| 01:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | saves you from porting an umbrella with you |
| 01:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | as you might have guessed I'm highly interested in CB:221 |
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| 01:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 01:02.55 | SpeedEvil | \ |
| 01:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | btw, anybody reported back on the Engineering mode thingy meanwhile? |
| 01:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | (as of konttori_work's request from err 1? week ago) |
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| 01:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | darn, I even forgot the nick... :-/ |
| 01:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you seen anything? |
| 01:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | or remember anything? |
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| 01:06.46 | SpeedEvil | nope, sorry |
| 01:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen onen_openbmap |
| 01:08.07 | infobot | i haven't seen 'onen_openbmap', DocScrutinizer |
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| 01:10.02 | microlith | whoa |
| 01:10.16 | microlith | phone went from thin green line on the battery to red-outline battery and shut off |
| 01:10.18 | microlith | wtf |
| 01:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | better than if it explodes, no? |
| 01:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | lart braindamaged bme for that! |
| 01:12.14 | SpeedEvil | microlith: Have you been soldering on the battery contacts? |
| 01:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe hald-addon-bme |
| 01:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | btw I always wondered if the red color is worth anything for the few pixels left over for empty bat icon |
| 01:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | what are they called? GUI-designers? |
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| 01:16.05 | skynets | wait |
| 01:16.21 | skynets | so i cant upgrade maemo with windows 7 x64 |
| 01:16.23 | skynets | :/ |
| 01:16.59 | hcarrega | any news for OTA? |
| 01:17.05 | hcarrega | its today? |
| 01:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 01:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | supposedly |
| 01:17.25 | hcarrega | i will w8 |
| 01:17.26 | hcarrega | :) |
| 01:17.49 | haltdef | uk :D |
| 01:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, the nick konttori_work makes me wonder... :-D |
| 01:18.10 | hcarrega | i dont want flash method: |
| 01:18.21 | hcarrega | haltdef |
| 01:18.30 | hcarrega | in uk OTA is start rolling? |
| 01:18.37 | hcarrega | or only via flash? |
| 01:18.41 | haltdef | OTA |
| 01:18.43 | hcarrega | :P |
| 01:18.49 | hcarrega | envy |
| 01:18.50 | SpeedEvil | hcarrega: OTA'd at about midday here. |
| 01:18.51 | hcarrega | i w8 |
| 01:19.05 | hcarrega | im in same GMT of london |
| 01:19.05 | SpeedEvil | The new virtual keyboard is annoying. |
| 01:19.06 | hcarrega | ;) |
| 01:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | then you finally get OTA and realize you have to flash anyway, as it won't work. Then you'll start to shout :-P |
| 01:19.29 | hcarrega | DocScrutinizer: i have done all OTA |
| 01:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | me too |
| 01:19.42 | SpeedEvil | I mean - sure - the keyboard now follows the consistent UI to dismiss a child window. |
| 01:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | waiting patiently |
| 01:19.59 | hcarrega | w8 |
| 01:20.01 | SpeedEvil | But... That was not worth losing 1/8th of the display for. |
| 01:20.01 | hcarrega | :) |
| 01:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | see topic |
| 01:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lMk |
| 01:20.25 | hcarrega | load "" |
| 01:20.28 | hcarrega | :) |
| 01:20.51 | hcarrega | lol |
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| 01:22.04 | hcarrega | maybe by 12 |
| 01:22.05 | hcarrega | ;) |
| 01:22.21 | hcarrega | right now is 2:22 |
| 01:22.22 | hcarrega | lol |
| 01:22.59 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> The new virtual keyboard is annoying. |
| 01:23.04 | MohammadAG | you can always go back :) |
| 01:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | beer? |
| 01:23.39 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:23.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he can go back |
| 01:24.01 | MohammadAG | betting on this will cost you a beer |
| 01:24.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I know - I want to figure on how to do that |
| 01:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that should cost HIM a beer |
| 01:24.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you suggested it |
| 01:24.39 | MohammadAG | I ruined my rootfs cause of you |
| 01:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:25.00 | MohammadAG | it had so many mods |
| 01:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | PLUS you owe me a beer for that :-P |
| 01:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | that must hurt |
| 01:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | don't cry, Nokia nuked my rootfs, and for icing on top they broke my powerswitch |
| 01:27.22 | b-man | DocScrutinizer: oh sure, kick a man while he's down xD |
| 01:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile he's up and well again |
| 01:28.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I gave you that beer |
| 01:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | aah I remember that strange scp, yeah |
| 01:28.45 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:28.57 | MohammadAG | that was to dd /dev/mtd0, but it didn't work |
| 01:29.21 | MohammadAG | some process called mousetweaks had my CPU on 100% |
| 01:29.23 | MohammadAG | (PC) |
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| 01:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
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| 01:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | must've been windoze |
| 01:30.13 | MohammadAG | packages restored in 30 minutes |
| 01:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | prolly a virus |
| 01:30.19 | MohammadAG | yeah... |
| 01:30.25 | MohammadAG | oh nope |
| 01:30.29 | MohammadAG | I checked bugzilla |
| 01:30.34 | MohammadAG | it should be fixed in 1.3 |
| 01:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | damn, what will all those dudes do with their "fixed in 1.2" t-shirts? o.O |
| 01:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | probably patch XP |
| 01:31.44 | MohammadAG | MeeGo 1.2 will be announced some time |
| 01:31.59 | MohammadAG | so they'll just wear them again when that happens |
| 01:32.04 | b-man | lol |
| 01:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | starts shipping "3" patches |
| 01:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | plus the killer: "^this is a patch!" |
| 01:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | patches |
| 01:37.48 | lipe | DocScrutinizer: i was reflashed my n900 and... it's work |
| 01:38.24 | lipe | one more time, thank you |
| 01:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | lipe: \o/ |
| 01:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | lipe: not for this, you did it all yourself |
| 01:39.49 | lipe | let's crash it again (install some apps) |
| 01:39.50 | lipe | :) |
| 01:39.53 | lipe | good by |
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| 01:43.10 | roquetto | was anyone able to build kdepimlibs to maemo? has anyone even tried? |
| 01:46.35 | matthew- | HMMM |
| 01:46.43 | matthew- | it tells me i need to connect my n900 |
| 01:46.52 | matthew- | to a PC to upgrade, is it cause of lack of space? |
| 01:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | zzzZZZzzz |
| 01:47.16 | MohammadAG | o/ DocScrutinizer |
| 01:47.40 | matthew- | it says to update to this version bla bla you must use nokia software update aplication on your PC |
| 01:47.43 | matthew- | bla bla bla |
| 01:47.45 | matthew- | is that normal? |
| 01:47.55 | hcarrega | yes |
| 01:48.08 | matthew- | ok, can I _somehow_ update it OTA? |
| 01:48.09 | matthew- | ( |
| 01:48.20 | matthew- | (or get a mac version of said software) |
| 01:48.23 | hcarrega | disable some repos |
| 01:48.27 | hcarrega | reboot |
| 01:48.29 | hcarrega | and voila |
| 01:48.36 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 01:48.38 | matthew- | hcarrega: So how much space do I need? |
| 01:48.42 | hcarrega | extra-devel etc |
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| 01:48.49 | matthew- | yeah did it |
| 01:48.53 | matthew- | ive got over 50mb free |
| 01:50.51 | matthew- | got 54MB free memory |
| 01:51.05 | matthew- | and i left only the software upgrade repo |
| 01:51.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think last OTA (1.1.1) needed 57MB |
| 01:52.00 | matthew- | dunno how to free more space |
| 01:52.12 | matthew- | moved most of the unneeded shit anyway |
| 01:52.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | blame nokia for shooting their own foot with |
| 01:52.23 | matthew- | dont have amny things installed |
| 01:52.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~optification |
| 01:52.36 | infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 01:53.15 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: what do you mean? |
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| 01:54.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | they broke their SSU by cramming the rootfs with /var /usr etc |
| 01:54.51 | matthew- | eyah |
| 01:54.53 | matthew- | true |
| 01:54.55 | MohammadAG | night |
| 01:55.12 | matthew- | ok but how can i reclaim some rootfs space |
| 01:59.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | rm /var/cache/* |
| 01:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Turn off extras* repos |
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| 02:07.42 | ohwhyme | baaaaaah |
| 02:08.07 | espringe | When trying to install libtpsession, I get "libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100401) but 4.6.2~git20100310-0maemo1+0m5" as a dependcy error |
| 02:08.14 | espringe | is it possible somehow make it be ignored |
| 02:08.29 | matthew- | SpeedEvil: turned off all repos |
| 02:08.31 | matthew- | moved themes |
| 02:11.19 | matthew- | ive got 65MB free |
| 02:11.24 | matthew- | and still not possible |
| 02:16.38 | hcarrega | wierdo |
| 02:16.48 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: was that a genuine advice? |
| 02:17.04 | matthew- | cause i think it broke my device... |
| 02:17.53 | matthew- | yay now there's nothing on my screen |
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| 02:18.19 | MNX1024 | Anyone flashed to PR1.2 yet? |
| 02:19.33 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: That was being a prick. |
| 02:19.34 | matthew- | thanks a lo. |
| 02:20.05 | matthew- | lot* |
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| 02:20.47 | MNX1024 | Well, I'm currently having an issue right after I flashed to PR1.2 |
| 02:21.01 | MNX1024 | I was wondering if someone can help me out here. |
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| 02:22.31 | MNX1024 | Here's the problem I'm having |
| 02:22.31 | MNX1024 | http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3936/img2356dh.jpg |
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| 02:27.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | matthew-: sorry for that. But honestly there shouldn't be anything in /var/cache that isn't rebuilt on next boot afaik |
| 02:27.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | especially I can't see why it would cause an empty screen |
| 02:28.26 | MNX1024 | Anyone nice enough to help me out? |
| 02:28.50 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: well |
| 02:29.01 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: I just did it, and screen is blank |
| 02:29.03 | matthew- | blanc( |
| 02:29.10 | matthew- | just black underlit |
| 02:29.12 | matthew- | and that's it |
| 02:29.30 | matthew- | so have to reflash the device to be ready for my 8am work. |
| 02:29.35 | matthew- | great. |
| 02:29.55 | matthew- | the awesome thing being the fact that i've got no idea how to do it. |
| 02:30.11 | matthew- | So, thanks for making me learn useless thing at 3:30am. |
| 02:30.47 | skynets | dont hate the player, hate maemo |
| 02:30.49 | skynets | :P |
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| 02:31.08 | matthew- | if not the fact that it's the only phone that runs bloomberg |
| 02:31.16 | matthew- | i would flush it down the toilet long time ago |
| 02:32.45 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: I would've hit you if you were here. Honestly. |
| 02:33.23 | matthew- | which flasher works with mac and n900??? |
| 02:33.31 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: I had that problem before PR1.2, I had to reflash and install all apps one by one |
| 02:33.53 | matthew- | A GUI interface for upgrading the firmware of Nokia 770, N800 and N810 devices from Mac OS X. |
| 02:33.58 | matthew- | is there a one for n900? |
| 02:34.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | matthew-: there's exactly one file except apt cache in /var/cache - I guess you could restore that one file if it really casues trouble when removed |
| 02:34.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I will leave now, not to get beaten |
| 02:34.45 | matthew- | DocScrutinizer51: there were 7 catalogues |
| 02:34.56 | matthew- | i removed them, tried to update, it said operation failed |
| 02:35.06 | matthew- | i restarted the device and cant get it back up sonce. |
| 02:35.12 | matthew- | since* |
| 02:36.52 | matthew- | awesome that i know what to do now. |
| 02:37.06 | matthew- | seriously, congrats on putting another person off maemo and it's support |
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| 02:37.38 | MNX1024 | Concerning my Problem, I get this error from a freshly flashed N900. |
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| 02:38.04 | MNX1024 | I just can't open "Contacts" without it closing in 2 seconds. |
| 02:38.13 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: I had that problem before PR1.2, I had to reflash and install all apps one by one and it solved it |
| 02:38.17 | MNX1024 | Anyway, how did you fix your issue anyway? |
| 02:38.45 | Scifi_ | I don't know what caused it though. Reflash but do not restore the apps from your backup |
| 02:38.50 | Scifi_ | Install one by one |
| 02:38.58 | MNX1024 | My problem has nothing to do with apps. |
| 02:38.59 | Scifi_ | That solved it for me |
| 02:39.09 | MNX1024 | My problem is that "Contacts" is closing on it's own. |
| 02:39.19 | MNX1024 | And I just flashed my N900. |
| 02:39.19 | asj | MNX1024: it's crashing |
| 02:39.39 | asj | MNX1024: worst case, reflash the device and the eMMC |
| 02:39.49 | asj | and remove any sd cards (who knows) |
| 02:40.04 | Scifi_ | Yep |
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| 02:40.19 | MNX1024 | I actually reflashed with eMMC without anything in it. |
| 02:40.25 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Other than default Nokia/Maemo apps, which apps do you have? |
| 02:40.31 | MNX1024 | Nothing!!! |
| 02:40.36 | MNX1024 | I just freshly flashed my phone. |
| 02:40.47 | MNX1024 | Basically it's a clean slate |
| 02:40.50 | Scifi_ | Which image did you use? US/Global/UK? |
| 02:40.52 | asj | MNX1024: emmc is internal storage, there's a separate image for it |
| 02:41.08 | MNX1024 | I've used US and Global, same issue. |
| 02:41.16 | MNX1024 | And my N900 is US |
| 02:41.27 | Scifi_ | Tried reflashing eMMC as well? |
| 02:41.33 | Scifi_ | There is a Vanilla image for that. |
| 02:41.38 | Scifi_ | Just in case? |
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| 02:42.01 | MNX1024 | I did flash with the Vanilla image. |
| 02:42.08 | MNX1024 | Then I flashed with PR1.2 |
| 02:42.14 | MNX1024 | And whola, that is the issue I got. |
| 02:43.16 | asj | try redoing the pr1.2 again? maybe it didn't complete right the first time? |
| 02:43.38 | Scifi_ | I thought you need to flash kernel first and then eMMC. |
| 02:43.39 | asj | and do you have any contacts on the phone btw? |
| 02:43.55 | MNX1024 | I backed that up |
| 02:44.23 | Scifi_ | asj: The correct order is PR1.2 first and then eMMC right? |
| 02:44.36 | MNX1024 | No, correct order is vanilla, then pr |
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| 02:51.05 | MNX1024 | Looks like I'm just going to go back to the older firmware |
| 02:51.11 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: I am sure I read somewhere it is firmware first and then eMMC |
| 02:51.12 | Scifi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41143 |
| 02:51.19 | Scifi_ | someone had the same problem |
| 02:51.34 | Scifi_ | why not give a try PR1.2 first and then immediately eMMC |
| 02:51.41 | Scifi_ | just as a last attempt |
| 02:52.26 | Scifi_ | make sure you have taken necessary backups |
| 02:52.45 | Scifi_ | and do not reboot between flashes |
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| 02:52.56 | MNX1024 | Thanks for the tip up |
| 02:53.03 | MNX1024 | It turns out I misread the wiki, lol |
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| 02:54.07 | ShadowJK | it's probably important not to reboot in between |
| 02:54.15 | ShadowJK | or boot |
| 02:54.41 | |R | anyone manage not to flash the eMMC and still upgrade like previous release? |
| 02:55.45 | Scifi_ | |R: Not sure i got it. But I just flashed the FW and left eMMC as is |
| 02:55.49 | Scifi_ | worked fine |
| 02:56.02 | Scifi_ | I had lot file songs etc on eMMC so didn't flash it |
| 02:56.21 | Scifi_ | it is not necessary to flash eMMC but a backup is needed before flashing FW |
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| 02:57.57 | puzzled | MNX1024: if you are going to redo it, flash with PR 1.2 first, do *not* reboot (so omit -R) and immediately flash the vanilla eMMC stuff next |
| 02:58.10 | MNX1024 | Oh, ok than. |
| 02:58.19 | puzzled | do not reboot |
| 02:58.39 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Ever :) |
| 02:58.46 | puzzled | well, after the eMMC you can :) |
| 02:59.19 | Scifi_ | puzzled: Just kidding |
| 02:59.20 | MNX1024 | Thanks a lot guys |
| 02:59.28 | |R | what is the new eMMC supposed to contain? |
| 02:59.30 | puzzled | no problem. good luck |
| 02:59.34 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Let us know how it goes |
| 02:59.34 | MNX1024 | I hope this works, because it's seriously giving a lot of trouble |
| 02:59.53 | Scifi_ | It may help others hopefully |
| 03:00.20 | puzzled | |R: think it's just basic files, same as when you got the N900 but in sync with PR 1.2 |
| 03:00.33 | MNX1024 | Out of curiosity, what is the difference between Global and Us? |
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| 03:00.44 | puzzled | I flashed the eMMc too just to get a totally clean install |
| 03:00.57 | |R | puzzled: marketing crap? not Qt and all? |
| 03:00.59 | Scifi_ | I guess date format changes, some language changes may be |
| 03:01.12 | MNX1024 | Guess I'll try using the global, lol |
| 03:01.18 | asj | |R: qt is part of the main image |
| 03:01.24 | |R | oki :) |
| 03:01.27 | puzzled | |R: iirc there's Qt 4.6 preview in there |
| 03:01.50 | |R | eMMC plays with dpkg ? |
| 03:02.06 | asj | how big is the US one and how big is Global? |
| 03:02.07 | |R | that sounds awkward... or it's just a binary? and thus someone will post it i guess :) |
| 03:02.33 | puzzled | |R you can download the eMMC image from the same place as the PR 1.2 image |
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| 03:02.59 | Ken-Young | Any reports of an OTA pr1.2 update other than in the UK? |
| 03:03.32 | |R | puzzled: i know, but i don't want to delete all i have on that partition |
| 03:03.48 | puzzled | then back it up :) |
| 03:03.52 | |R | also what's up with the holding 'u' ... didn't need that for earlier releases :) |
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| 03:04.27 | Scifi_ | |R: Make sure you backup the "Backups" folder from eMMC before flashing |
| 03:04.28 | |R | puzzled: but if it's to get it emptied and filled by crap marketing garbage... |
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| 03:05.47 | Scifi_ | |R: Before PR1.2 Vanilla eMMC had couple of Nokia videos (yes marketing), some ring tones and wall papers |
| 03:05.51 | puzzled | |R: afaik you need the eMMC image installed or your N900 won't work |
| 03:05.53 | Scifi_ | not sure about the updated image |
| 03:06.04 | puzzled | it's 250MB |
| 03:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | |R: the 'u' is supposedly not needed if flasher is catching the right moment of NOLO bootloader checking the USB. If you hold the 'u' then NOLO is supposed not to boot but instead stay in ready-to-flash state |
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| 03:06.34 | MNX1024 | Just to make sure once again. I should flash PR1.2 first, without the -R. Then I flash the eMMC right? |
| 03:06.41 | MNX1024 | without unplugging the cable? |
| 03:07.03 | |R | DocScrutinizer: ok, i just used to plug it after starting flasher-3.5 |
| 03:07.16 | puzzled | MNX1024: yes |
| 03:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | MNX1024: as long as you do not reboot, sequence is irrelevant. If you happen to boot between, it's probably less problem to flash eMMC first |
| 03:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | as rootfs on first-boot will alter the eMMC data |
| 03:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | then when you flash eMMC after that, these edits are lost |
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| 03:09.49 | puzzled | was reading the story about broken usb connectors on tmo. anyone have a similar experience? |
| 03:13.54 | |R | eMMC = /home ? |
| 03:15.23 | MNX1024 | For some reason, flasing the PR1.2 first and then trying to flash the eMMC does not seem to work |
| 03:15.41 | MNX1024 | I can't seem to get eMMC to flash right after PR1,2 |
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| 03:18.22 | skynets | question: would diamond polish work on the n900 screen? |
| 03:18.29 | skynets | to remove scratches |
| 03:19.29 | Ken-Young | skynets, I think that would be more apt to introduce more scratches. |
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| 03:23.51 | ohwhyme | bah |
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| 03:28.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not sure any pollishing will work on touchscreens. tried with real paste and engine (dremel), on a OMNIA. result was scratch less but large dull spot |
| 03:29.09 | skynets | :S |
| 03:29.20 | skynets | so you've got scratches on your current screen? |
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| 03:29.36 | ohwhyme | anyone know how hard it is to replace a screen? |
| 03:29.54 | skynets | not sure but its only the digitizer |
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| 03:30.08 | skynets | 60 bucks |
| 03:30.10 | skynets | fuck |
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| 03:30.33 | skynets | not sure if i should get it for 2 small scratches |
| 03:30.40 | skynets | it gets annoying |
| 03:31.48 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Any error message? |
| 03:32.18 | Ken-Young | skynets, THere are products made that make scratches on eyeglasses less noticable. They might help, and are less apt than a polishing compound to make things worse (I think). |
| 03:32.30 | MNX1024 | Well, yes, still have the error message. |
| 03:32.43 | Scifi_ | Contacts app crashing? |
| 03:32.47 | MNX1024 | Yep |
| 03:33.38 | Scifi_ | Well that sux, I guess you have to wait for OTA then. Unless anyone has a suggestion |
| 03:33.54 | MNX1024 | Doubt OTa works |
| 03:34.00 | MNX1024 | I've finally narrowed down to the issue |
| 03:34.10 | MNX1024 | It's actually my sim card that is causing a conflict somehow |
| 03:34.24 | MNX1024 | And I don't know how to get T-Mobile to replace my sim card for free, lol |
| 03:34.35 | MNX1024 | And without noticing that I'm using their T-Zone plan with my N900 |
| 03:34.35 | Scifi_ | So if you use a different SIM card it works fine? |
| 03:34.42 | MNX1024 | yea |
| 03:35.12 | |R | can't you flash without a SIM ? |
| 03:35.26 | MNX1024 | That's not the problem |
| 03:35.40 | skynets | yeah |
| 03:35.45 | Scifi_ | Yes he can but the problem reappears after inserting SIM |
| 03:35.51 | Scifi_ | if i got it right |
| 03:35.55 | MNX1024 | Yep |
| 03:36.02 | skynets | ill check it out |
| 03:36.03 | MNX1024 | The problem occures only with "my" sim card |
| 03:36.12 | MNX1024 | Well, it is pretty old and busted up |
| 03:36.29 | MNX1024 | Now I have another Problem, my phone is not reading my microsd.... |
| 03:36.31 | MNX1024 | wtf.... |
| 03:36.33 | thunderfest | I flashed from pr1.1 to 1.2 and back to 1.1 today and I connot for the life of me get my n900 to recognize my sim anymore |
| 03:36.39 | MNX1024 | PR1.2 just gave me so many problems. |
| 03:37.07 | thunderfest | me too |
| 03:37.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | MNX1024: delete contacts from your sim |
| 03:37.19 | MNX1024 | If the N900 wasn't such a great phone and does the things I need, I would've trashed it by now. |
| 03:37.42 | MNX1024 | Try this here |
| 03:37.43 | MNX1024 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=640267&postcount=365 |
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| 03:38.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | thunderfest: flashing back to 1.1 from 1.2 renders whole modem nonfunct |
| 03:39.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | known 'issue' |
| 03:39.22 | MNX1024 | You can fix that by flashing only the pr1.2's modem driver |
| 03:39.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | as 1.2 updates modem firmware |
| 03:39.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 03:39.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably |
| 03:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | Can somebody check a string for me? |
| 03:40.04 | thunderfest | wow what a mess this all is |
| 03:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | I need to know what the first checkbox in the Browser options window where the cache, hardware key and other stuff is is called. |
| 03:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | "Automatically focus address bar" or something like that. |
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| 03:41.12 | shinkamui | yay! |
| 03:41.15 | shinkamui | pr1.2 today? |
| 03:41.22 | GeneralAntilles | and can somebody tell me which button in options brings that dialog up? |
| 03:42.34 | ohwhyme | yes shinkamui |
| 03:42.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: sorry no 1.2 here |
| 03:43.21 | shinkamui | anyone who has it know if it fixes the missing 3D libs and some of the broken widgets in gtk apps? |
| 03:43.23 | MNX1024 | Doc, your tip really saved my butt!!! |
| 03:43.42 | MNX1024 | Deleting the contacts from my sim actually worked!!!!! |
| 03:43.44 | shinkamui | my leaked 1.2 has been perfect other than those |
| 03:43.58 | |R | MNX1024: woohoo! |
| 03:44.02 | |R | MNX1024: everything is fixed? |
| 03:44.04 | MNX1024 | Now my only problem is that I can't read my microsd anymore.... |
| 03:44.08 | MNX1024 | Not everything |
| 03:44.09 | |R | doh |
| 03:44.11 | MNX1024 | microsd problem. |
| 03:44.12 | MNX1024 | lol |
| 03:44.19 | MNX1024 | one problem is fix, next comes up |
| 03:44.23 | MNX1024 | I don't think I like PR1.2 |
| 03:44.31 | |R | you can't mount it manually either? |
| 03:44.43 | thunderfest | so my choices are....use pr1.2 and have gms abilities but no gles 1 (which I am currently using to make a game) ....or downgrade to pr1.1 which will render me gms unusable...or use pr 1.2 force the gles 1 which will create dependency problems...or downgrade to pr1.1 and use the gsm libs from the leaked pr 1.2 to create a "frankenbuild" |
| 03:44.44 | MNX1024 | What do you mean by mount it manually? |
| 03:45.01 | |R | MNX1024: well from a shell with the mount command |
| 03:45.08 | Scifi_ | GeneralAntilles: Open any webpage, Menu --> Options -->Settings |
| 03:45.11 | shinkamui | thunderfest, woah, so gles is still broken in 1.2? |
| 03:45.11 | MNX1024 | franken build it is for you |
| 03:45.21 | shinkamui | nooooo! |
| 03:45.32 | MNX1024 | R: you might want to instruct me on that |
| 03:45.32 | shinkamui | is dissapointed, he really wants descent on his n900 :( |
| 03:45.36 | thunderfest | shinkamui: yes gles is still broken in pr1.2 |
| 03:45.45 | |R | MNX1024: gimmie a sec :) |
| 03:45.48 | shinkamui | pardon my french, but that is fucking GAY. |
| 03:46.05 | MNX1024 | But the fact that I can't use my microsd just by going to file manager or through my other app is a no no |
| 03:46.12 | shinkamui | so I guess bounce evo doesn't work on 1.2 either |
| 03:46.18 | |R | MNX1024: in the shell, typing : df do you see anything saying mmcblk1p1 ? |
| 03:46.22 | shinkamui | not that it matters, but thats silly, nokia best be fixin it |
| 03:46.57 | MNX1024 | I have mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:46.59 | MNX1024 | lol |
| 03:47.08 | MNX1024 | and mmcblk0p2 |
| 03:47.09 | |R | yeah that's MyDocs |
| 03:47.14 | |R | and /home |
| 03:47.34 | MNX1024 | well, I have /home/opt |
| 03:47.35 | thunderfest | shinkamui: we filed the bug report earlier (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6816) please vote on it and maybe we can get this issue fixed |
| 03:47.36 | povbot` | Bug 6816: OpenGL ES 1.1 should be supported |
| 03:48.39 | |R | MNX1024: yes but what you want is /media/mmc1 which would be your microSD |
| 03:49.02 | MNX1024 | Let me reflash one "last" time and hope it would work |
| 03:49.11 | MNX1024 | if not, I'll come back and bother you in 5 minutes, lol |
| 03:49.14 | |R | yeah maybe that's it |
| 03:49.16 | |R | :) |
| 03:49.21 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Good luck again |
| 03:49.32 | Scifi_ | this time try eMMC first and FW next? |
| 03:49.39 | |R | I'm waiting for my backup to finish before trying to flash... a friend just flashed his with only the root (not eMMC) and it seems to work... |
| 03:49.44 | Scifi_ | as DocScrutinizer said |
| 03:49.48 | MNX1024 | sci: that's what I've been doing, lol |
| 03:49.58 | Scifi_ | :) |
| 03:50.00 | shinkamui | thunderfest, voting as we speak |
| 03:50.08 | thunderfest | thanks |
| 03:50.09 | MNX1024 | when i did the opposite, like you guys told me, flashing eMMC in the end never seems to flash |
| 03:50.10 | MNX1024 | lol |
| 03:50.11 | Scifi_ | thunderfest: done |
| 03:50.31 | |R | weird |
| 03:51.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure, you don't need to flash eMMC when updating to 1.2 |
| 03:52.24 | MNX1024 | if you're talking about me, then my reason for it was because I did too much stupid stuff on the phone and I need a clean install. :D |
| 03:52.24 | |R | DocScrutinizer51: there is nothing of value to the system, you're sure? anyone seen a list of files around? (diff between eMMCs) |
| 03:52.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | but who told you to flash eMMC last? |
| 03:52.34 | |R | i've read that somewhere too |
| 03:52.37 | |R | (eMMC flash) |
| 03:52.37 | Scifi_ | DocScutinizer51: thats me |
| 03:53.09 | MNX1024 | After rereading the wiki, I've realize, I was right in the first place. You have to flash eMMC first. lol |
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| 03:53.19 | microlith | .... |
| 03:53.34 | microlith | why is flasher-3.5 forcibly rebooting my device when I tell it to flash the eMMC |
| 03:53.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | MNX1024: yes. as I told you |
| 03:53.57 | MNX1024 | What confused me was scifi told me to flash the fw first, and the new red message in the wiki |
| 03:54.10 | Scifi_ | Few weeks ago I followed this blog blindly http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/ |
| 03:54.23 | Scifi_ | It said FW first and eMMC next |
| 03:54.28 | Scifi_ | it worked for me anyway |
| 03:54.34 | |R | hehe |
| 03:54.39 | Scifi_ | But what u said made sense |
| 03:54.41 | microlith | which is what I'm doing |
| 03:54.54 | Scifi_ | microlith: Then don't do it :) |
| 03:54.59 | microlith | and instead it reboots the device into a non-working state |
| 03:55.06 | microlith | rather than actually flashing the N900 |
| 03:55.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | simple rule: flashing eMMC will break your system. So you need to flash rootfs after that |
| 03:55.59 | MNX1024 | scifi: well, this wiki here said you have to flash the eMMC first: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 03:56.06 | microlith | there we go |
| 03:56.15 | Scifi_ | Yes thats the official source :) |
| 03:56.20 | |R | the question is... |
| 03:56.25 | |R | why do you have to flash the eMMC ... |
| 03:56.26 | microlith | DocScrutinizer51: if that's the case then Nokia needs to fix their site |
| 03:56.28 | MNX1024 | but you confused me with the whole flashing fw first, lol |
| 03:57.02 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Sorry, hope your N900 is back to usable state soon :) |
| 03:57.09 | MNX1024 | I do hope so, lol |
| 03:57.14 | MNX1024 | at least I got the contacts part fix |
| 03:57.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | microlith: it's obvious as eMMC flash kills /homeVopt |
| 03:57.23 | MNX1024 | now I just hope this reflash would save my memory card |
| 03:57.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I doubt |
| 03:57.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry |
| 03:58.43 | microlith | DocScrutinizer51: realizing that now, however Nokia's own site describes the exact reverse |
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| 04:00.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway as long as you don't boot the freshly flashed rootfs nothing bad will happen if you flash 'wrong' sequence |
| 04:00.45 | MNX1024 | I give up, the phone still can't read my memory card |
| 04:00.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | toldya |
| 04:01.15 | MNX1024 | Looks like I'll send my phone in for a replacement once I get a new phone, lol. |
| 04:01.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | reformat the card |
| 04:01.29 | microlith | except trying to flash in the wrong order -will- break your device, as trying to flash the eMMC forces a reboot |
| 04:01.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably the MBR got corrupted |
| 04:01.39 | MNX1024 | MBR? |
| 04:01.47 | espringe | master boot record |
| 04:02.04 | espringe | Does anyone know why scratchbox would have a different version of Qt than my n900? :/ |
| 04:02.08 | MNX1024 | I need some elaboration. |
| 04:03.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | MNX1024: in your desktop linux call cfdisk for the uSD |
| 04:04.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | delete all partitions, create one VFAT partition |
| 04:04.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | then mkfs.vfat a fs on the card |
| 04:04.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | take care not to accidentaly nuke your harddisk |
| 04:04.59 | MNX1024 | I have no idea what you just said to me, lol |
| 04:05.23 | MNX1024 | But all I can say is, thanks a lot for helping me. |
| 04:05.36 | espringe | MNX1024, have you formatted your card? |
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| 04:05.45 | MNX1024 | just did |
| 04:05.51 | espringe | how did you do it? |
| 04:05.59 | MNX1024 | right click, format |
| 04:06.03 | MNX1024 | restore to default |
| 04:06.43 | espringe | not sure how it varies, but you might want to try what docScrutinzer suggested |
| 04:06.48 | espringe | if you have linux installed |
| 04:07.09 | espringe | You can google 'cfdisk' which is a partion manager program thingy |
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| 04:08.07 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, anything specific holding you back? |
| 04:08.22 | MNX1024 | Looks like reformating my card made it fine. |
| 04:08.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | no OTA |
| 04:08.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | MNX1024: woohoo |
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| 04:09.07 | MNX1024 | Did not think 1.2 would give me this much trouble..... |
| 04:09.21 | MNX1024 | The previous firmware was a breeze... |
| 04:09.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | MNX1024: the uSD issue probably was unrelated |
| 04:10.09 | MNX1024 | it was? |
| 04:10.20 | MNX1024 | It was working fine before |
| 04:10.30 | MNX1024 | but the heck with it. It's fine now, so no point in pondering. |
| 04:10.35 | MNX1024 | Thanks a lot though!!! |
| 04:10.49 | asj | MNX1024: fat has no error checking so really the satement should be "I knew of no errors" |
| 04:11.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure a point in pondering |
| 04:11.34 | asj | MNX1024: it could have been very broken for a very long time. Wife's sd cards always seem messed up one way or anothen |
| 04:11.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | wiki needs a recommendation to remove uSD prior to flashing |
| 04:11.50 | MNX1024 | Not as of now. Got to head to bed and wake up early, then go on my 50 mile bike ride. |
| 04:11.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | remove battery - WTF! sure this can kill the uSD |
| 04:12.03 | MNX1024 | I was suppose to be in bed at an hour ago... |
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| 04:12.14 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: So ur issues fixed? |
| 04:12.19 | MNX1024 | yep |
| 04:12.22 | MNX1024 | everything is fine |
| 04:12.22 | Scifi_ | cool |
| 04:12.23 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, ah, right, somehow UK got it first. |
| 04:12.30 | MNX1024 | once I'm done with installing all my ap, I gotta sleep |
| 04:12.40 | Scifi_ | Good night |
| 04:12.51 | MNX1024 | night |
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| 04:14.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | firing up HAM just another time :-S |
| 04:14.05 | microlith | there, ticking again |
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| 04:14.49 | MNX1024 | Anyone know of a bike dashboard for the N900? |
| 04:14.57 | MNX1024 | I've been looking for one so I can attach it to my bike. |
| 04:16.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, sorry |
| 04:18.30 | asj | MNX1024: someone made one and won an awards |
| 04:18.52 | asj | don't know if they ever released the code |
| 04:19.47 | RST38h | yawns, watching just the right selection of tmo posters bitch about pr1.2 not being available in the US yet |
| 04:20.17 | asj | wfm, like I care about the US ;) |
| 04:20.42 | GAN900 | RST38h, who cares? Buggy as shit anyway. |
| 04:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | yawns sympathizing |
| 04:21.07 | RST38h | GAN: anything really bad I should look out for? |
| 04:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to postpone update for another week :-P |
| 04:21.45 | GAN900 | rsalveti, |
| 04:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | just in case |
| 04:21.47 | GAN900 | er |
| 04:21.57 | GAN900 | RST38h, haven't found anything nasty |
| 04:22.10 | GAN900 | Just a whole lot of sloppy rough edges and regressions |
| 04:22.19 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, wont help |
| 04:22.21 | GAN900 | B |
| 04:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | cool, regressions - I *love* it |
| 04:22.30 | GAN900 | Nothing'll be different in a wekk. |
| 04:22.41 | pupnik_ | nice vague insinuation |
| 04:22.49 | GAN900 | Maybe my typing will be worse. |
| 04:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: workarounds for problems yet to find will be known in a week |
| 04:23.04 | GAN900 | Got two bugs out tonight |
| 04:23.07 | asj | I haven't seen any major problems with 19-1 |
| 04:23.22 | GAN900 | Gonna try to do the more involved ones tomorrow evening. |
| 04:23.43 | RST38h | ah |
| 04:24.21 | RST38h | WW19 is pretty fresh stuff btw |
| 04:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | e.g who'd have known you possibly need to erase all contacts from SIM, not to cause contacts app to crash in a second |
| 04:24.44 | asj | well it's -1, so I assume wk18 probably has a million builds ;) |
| 04:24.49 | MNX1024 | The dashboard I meant means the mount for it, lol |
| 04:24.50 | GAN900 | I love that it was delayed forever and still sucks |
| 04:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: a very nice bug btw |
| 04:25.41 | RST38h | GAN: That has been fully expected though |
| 04:26.03 | GAN900 | RST38h, true enough |
| 04:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: probably caused by new modem FW |
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| 04:26.26 | Scifi_ | MNX1024: Seems like u r not the only one with crashing issues |
| 04:26.35 | GAN900 | RST38h, it's amazing that no matter how much I manage to lower my expectations, Nokia still slips under the bar |
| 04:26.41 | Scifi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=677799#post677799 |
| 04:26.42 | RST38h | Bth psychologically (too long wait time inflating expectations) and testing-wise (I do not believe they really test) |
| 04:26.51 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, SIM contacts are ugly anyway. :P |
| 04:26.57 | GAN900 | RST38h, nor I |
| 04:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | lol, agreed |
| 04:27.06 | MNX1024 | lol, looks like I wasn't the only unlucky fella |
| 04:27.09 | GAN900 | It's amazing what slips through the cracks |
| 04:27.15 | Scifi_ | Yep |
| 04:27.24 | GAN900 | It's like the nazi-checklist against their stupid specks |
| 04:27.35 | MNX1024 | I'm almost done with my apps, and bed I will head to afterwards. |
| 04:27.37 | GAN900 | and test for certifications |
| 04:27.42 | GAN900 | and call it a day |
| 04:27.46 | RST38h | more or less |
| 04:27.53 | asj | smells the wiff of whinning |
| 04:28.00 | GAN900 | s/specks/specs |
| 04:28.57 | RST38h | but then, such a complex UI is a bitch to test |
| 04:28.59 | asj | I think it would be beneficial to release a small number of more frequent small updates than large ones though |
| 04:29.14 | RST38h | cannot test it well with the unit tests (which are overrated anyway) |
| 04:29.25 | GAN900 | asj, I'm filing bugs, so your nose is miscalibrated. :) |
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| 04:29.30 | thunderfest | but then stuff would break all the time instead of all at once |
| 04:29.44 | RST38h | they could have done it by releasing a beta to the community and addressing community bug reports |
| 04:29.53 | GAN900 | asj, Nokia's processes are completely incapable of working like that. |
| 04:29.57 | RST38h | but no, that is apparently not how nokia works |
| 04:30.11 | microlith | RST38h: iirc, they ignored most input from the 300 they released last september, no? |
| 04:30.13 | asj | GAN900: you must know them better than me |
| 04:30.18 | GAN900 | RST38h, well, certification takes to long |
| 04:30.36 | RST38h | microlith: Not ignored, they are still fixing bugs reported by those 300 people |
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| 04:30.52 | GAN900 | If you get a beta out a month ahead of release then only critical data-eating bugs can be fixed. |
| 04:30.53 | dmj726 | I would be fine with their slow updates if they at least had open beta processes |
| 04:30.58 | RST38h | GAN: You only have to recertify when you change cellmo and power management |
| 04:31.09 | GAN900 | RST38h, Flash, too. |
| 04:31.11 | opdf2 | so what apps can I uninstall for free up for OTA? |
| 04:31.12 | RST38h | GAN: Changes to desktop or pa do not require that |
| 04:31.17 | wall[e] | hi, anyone on virtual keyboard know a way to just enter text rather type enter character? |
| 04:31.25 | wall[e] | w/o sliding hwkb out |
| 04:31.27 | asj | I suspect you would shocked at how small the n900 team is now |
| 04:31.29 | GAN900 | and they have their own inhouse bullshit, too. |
| 04:31.51 | GAN900 | asj, not at all |
| 04:31.52 | dmj726 | ...then I could have proper updates and testing while keeping Mom on the stable release |
| 04:31.54 | wall[e] | eg. on skype chat i enter, and it types enter, not enter the text for me |
| 04:31.59 | RST38h | They should just hire some Android process management guy |
| 04:32.01 | wall[e] | oh i forget to click outside |
| 04:32.09 | GAN900 | asj, I'm just sick and tired of Nokia screwing over this platform. |
| 04:32.10 | asj | GAN900: by your comments I could beg to differ |
| 04:32.20 | GAN900 | asj, meh. |
| 04:32.30 | GAN900 | asj, been here for 5 years. |
| 04:32.51 | GAN900 | asj, I know all of the excuses |
| 04:32.58 | RST38h | asj: A lot of people at #maemo have got sort of a history with Maemo devices |
| 04:33.02 | GAN900 | I just don't think they're acceptable. |
| 04:33.08 | RST38h | asj: We have heard *all* of this before |
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| 04:33.34 | asj | RST38h: what's your point? It's a dead end device with fw that's dead end in maintainance mode |
| 04:34.08 | RST38h | asj: My point is that the manufacturer should not declare device dead 3 months after manufacture |
| 04:34.17 | GAN900 | Which justifies a bit of bitching when you've poured as much of your time into it as we have. |
| 04:34.23 | wall[e] | ok, dumbass |
| 04:34.24 | wall[e] | just click outside you insensitive clod |
| 04:34.24 | wall[e] | bah |
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| 04:34.59 | GAN900 | wall[e], virtual input hasn't been tested by Nokia since the N810. |
| 04:35.20 | ShadowJK | Since the N810 came out, right |
| 04:35.32 | GAN900 | The PR1.2 vkb is a fucking joke |
| 04:35.40 | RST38h | asj: My other point is that non-critical stuff (no certification) should be updated often, both to show that Nokia cares *and* to collect bug reports |
| 04:35.54 | GAN900 | "Let's make it more useful by making the keys IMPOSSIBLE to hit!" |
| 04:36.08 | RST38h | GAN: BTW, Opera keyboard is quite nice |
| 04:36.17 | RST38h | would not be averse to having that everywhere |
| 04:36.18 | GAN900 | RST38h, problem is, they don't care and they don't want bug reports. ;) |
| 04:36.29 | GAN900 | WTF we're they thinking? |
| 04:36.35 | RST38h | GAN: Correct. Or such is the impression, anyway |
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| 04:36.43 | opdf2 | anyone try this to quickly gain OTA space? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#Safely_free_some_space_on_rootfs |
| 04:36.45 | RST38h | They are thinking of selling you the NEXT device? :) |
| 04:36.47 | GAN900 | Let's use space for this vkb as inefficiently as possible. |
| 04:36.50 | asj | RST38h: we agree there, I think it would be better to release more frequently |
| 04:37.20 | GAN900 | Idiocy |
| 04:37.24 | RST38h | ...and that next device often becomes an Android device lately |
| 04:37.29 | GAN900 | 60 wpm on the N800 |
| 04:37.30 | asj | RST38h: but there seem to be release maturity issues within the mameo group |
| 04:37.43 | RST38h | asj: Please use English |
| 04:37.43 | GAN900 | down to about 40 wpm on PR1.0 |
| 04:37.46 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 04:37.49 | RST38h | moo Sts |
| 04:37.51 | GAN900 | down to about 35 on PR1.1 |
| 04:38.00 | RST38h | Ah, GAN, you will learn :))) |
| 04:38.00 | GAN900 | down to less than 30 on PR1.2 |
| 04:38.07 | GAN900 | Something isn't right here. |
| 04:38.23 | GAN900 | sleeps. |
| 04:38.26 | RST38h | your touchscreen is losing sensitivity maybe? =) |
| 04:38.43 | GAN900 | RST38h, no, the software is trending towards "fucking useless" |
| 04:39.15 | pupnik_ | there shouldnt even be a vkb |
| 04:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | moo Stskeeps |
| 04:39.18 | asj | RST38h: hmm? big projects stopping cleanly releasing, continuing work and merging changes upstream as work continues is something that takes time to learn how to do well |
| 04:39.23 | |R | flashed, restoring 940MB :P |
| 04:39.53 | Stskeeps | notes things didn't calm down overnight |
| 04:40.10 | Scifi_ | Lot of ppl are facing issues with eMMC flashing. Here is the bug link |
| 04:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you're getting old and get artrosis |
| 04:40.21 | Scifi_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10264 |
| 04:40.22 | povbot` | Bug 10264: Unable to flash emmc RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin on newly released PR 1.2 Iindian variant) |
| 04:40.40 | wall[e] | pupnik_, help with global warming due to less energy used to get a character. |
| 04:41.01 | ShadowJK | missed all the excitement |
| 04:41.20 | RST38h | asj: This is not a software project |
| 04:41.23 | GAN900 | docsc |
| 04:41.26 | ShadowJK | But I'm guessing people discover that despite 5 months in the works it's not the holy grail |
| 04:41.29 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, clearly. |
| 04:41.36 | RST38h | asj: This is a hardware support project. makes it different. |
| 04:41.40 | RST38h | But still... |
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| 04:41.42 | asj | RST38h: not in the least |
| 04:41.50 | RST38h | ShadowJK: No shit, Sherlock... |
| 04:41.57 | GAN900 | really sleeps |
| 04:42.52 | ShadowJK | wonders if there's a way to get kernel to tell you the total amount of locked memory |
| 04:42.54 | RST38h | ShadowJK: And that has not started yet. The moment OTA hits the US, we will all have to close t.m.o and wait for a week, until lemmings calm down |
| 04:42.57 | ShadowJK | would be interesting to compare 1.1.1 and 1.2 |
| 04:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | ehlo ShadowJK |
| 04:43.07 | ShadowJK | hello |
| 04:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ack :-) |
| 04:44.15 | pupnik_ | i hear 1.2 feels faster |
| 04:44.25 | asj | RST38h: just because it runs on a phone doesn't make it hardware, maemo is a huge software project. Treating it as anything but is the road to failure. |
| 04:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | i hear 1.2 falls faster |
| 04:44.34 | ShadowJK | I just have to reboot 1.1.1 and it feels faster ;-) |
| 04:44.53 | RST38h | asj: it has got certain specifics |
| 04:44.57 | RST38h | asj: consider this |
| 04:45.10 | RST38h | ShadowJK: oh yesss |
| 04:45.29 | pupnik_ | i think asj has a good point |
| 04:45.39 | RST38h | asj: Your random open-source software project is a piece of free software that comes with no expectations attached |
| 04:45.43 | pupnik_ | calling 1.2 "firmware" doesnt make it so |
| 04:45.43 | pronto | is the 1.2 going to show up in thhe applicatoin manager? |
| 04:45.58 | |R | libgles is screwed up apparently... |
| 04:45.59 | RST38h | asj: People who do not like it may switch to different software or modify it to their needs |
| 04:46.03 | asj | RST38h: I disagree with that, but continue |
| 04:46.35 | RST38h | asj: Maemo isn't just software. 100% of its user base have plunked n*$100 to buy devices that run nothing but Maemo |
| 04:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | actually calling it firmware is braindamaged |
| 04:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict firmware |
| 04:47.04 | RST38h | asj: Nor can people fix all Maemo problems by themselves |
| 04:47.04 | pupnik_ | ty DocScrutinizer |
| 04:47.33 | asj | RST38h: if I buy MS Word (vista, windows 7, etc) I'm not buying hardware, I'm buying closed source software |
| 04:48.22 | thunderfest | |R: yes gles is screwed up ... gles2 works but not gles1.1 |
| 04:48.26 | asj | what's a retail full price copy of Office these days? it's well over $500, and it contains bugs like any other, and has no offical bug filling method to boot ;) |
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| 04:49.07 | microlith | and office 2007 has some pretty harsh regressions, too :) |
| 04:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | evidence: there's a folder with firmware *inside* maemo rootfs. So you might argue the rest of it obviously isn't firmware then |
| 04:50.10 | wall[e] | kept googling for maego related info and wonder why there was no result. |
| 04:50.11 | ShadowJK | wonders if 1.2 fixes the occasional need to cycle device offline for 60s to regain cellular |
| 04:50.13 | pupnik_ | that dict link ecplains it |
| 04:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | also fw generally isn't edited/configured by the user |
| 04:51.03 | |R | python-gobject also missing ... |
| 04:51.31 | RST38h | asj: Office cost me $10, or I would never buy it. |
| 04:52.08 | RST38h | asj: Even at $10, I seriously doubt the usefullness of this purchase. |
| 04:52.24 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 04:52.27 | RST38h | But Office is patched way more frequently than Maemo |
| 04:52.47 | asj | RST38h: anyways, you can make the same argument against any commercial software, and it seems as the price increase so do the bugs...I could tell you horror stories about $15k software packages |
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| 04:53.12 | thunderfest | ok all I have a workaround for gles1.1 on pr 1.2 |
| 04:53.19 | RST38h | asj: I can tell you horror stories about $1b software packages :) |
| 04:53.32 | RST38h | thunder: What is wrong with gles1.1 there? |
| 04:53.53 | |R | arf a bunch of widget requires pyhton-gobject :/ |
| 04:53.53 | thunderfest | nokia forgot to build the libs for it |
| 04:54.10 | opdf2 | is a backup from 1.1.1 restorable in 1.2? |
| 04:54.21 | |R | yep |
| 04:54.31 | RST38h | thunderfest: OMFG... |
| 04:54.49 | opdf2 | okay so I could just do a backup, uninstall all my apps for rootfs space, then restore safely |
| 04:55.31 | thunderfest | opdf2: yes except some some apps that depend on opengles 1.1 will not reinstall (brainparty GLtron nehe ect) |
| 04:55.32 | pupnik_ | thunderfest: got a prog that uses gles 1.1 yet? |
| 04:55.43 | pupnik_ | tty |
| 04:56.02 | opdf2 | thunderfest: okay thanks for the heads up |
| 04:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: rarely seen here (60s offline) |
| 04:56.17 | ZogG_N900 | damn. never had widget play button bug til pr1.2 |
| 04:56.30 | opdf2 | that's still a bug in 1.2? |
| 04:56.31 | thunderfest | pupnik: yes I can run the nehe demos and my own opengles apps |
| 04:56.47 | ZogG_N900 | it just doesn't work |
| 04:56.58 | Wolfie | aww, no pr1.2 yet |
| 04:56.59 | ZogG_N900 | i didn't have it before though |
| 04:57.11 | ZogG_N900 | and it works as i change theme. the weirdest thing ever |
| 04:57.46 | ZogG_N900 | as well sometimes ukbrd doesn't appear till reboot |
| 04:58.03 | ZogG_N900 | i hope wouldn't wait another 5 months for fixes ) |
| 04:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: I gather you found the bug meanwhile in google? :-D |
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| 04:59.04 | RST38h | ZogG: Caused by other applets (OMWeather, RSS, USSD) |
| 04:59.15 | RST38h | remove them |
| 04:59.23 | ShadowJK | It'd be funny if there was a typo in some tiny script somewhere that completely killed, for example, microsd, and we'd have to wait until November :D |
| 04:59.31 | ZogG_N900 | how do i check libraries and packeges in maemo. if they allright. like revdep-rebuild |
| 04:59.41 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Lack of gles1.1 is a huge problem for me |
| 04:59.46 | RST38h | Almost like that typo |
| 04:59.59 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, still it's bug. |
| 05:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | Wolfie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lMk |
| 05:00.20 | ShadowJK | start filing bugreports :D |
| 05:00.56 | RST38h | ZogG: It has been filed. |
| 05:01.00 | Wolfie | DocScrutinizer: :D, nah, i'll wait. Just somehow thought for it to be available at midnight |
| 05:01.05 | RST38h | And even researched, a little bit |
| 05:01.11 | thunderfest | yes everyone please vote on the opengl es 1.1 bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6816) |
| 05:01.12 | povbot` | Bug 6816: OpenGL ES 1.1 should be supported |
| 05:01.53 | thunderfest | but the workaround is working I just installed brainparty and it works |
| 05:02.36 | RST38h | what is the workarond? Use the old library? |
| 05:03.45 | thunderfest | yeah force the old library to install...its not a real solution cause if ans when the real lib come out you'll have dependency all over the place |
| 05:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | dman, too late, but anyway: |
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| 05:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | HAPPY 5TH BIRTHDAY #MAEMO |
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| 05:06.09 | pupnik_ | suddenly the blue fn key only works when held down |
| 05:06.14 | pupnik_ | :( |
| 05:06.24 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, yep. but reboot brings it back |
| 05:06.27 | ZogG_N900 | damn |
| 05:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: WAHT? |
| 05:07.24 | pupnik_ | expected result: hit blue fn key once to get blue-key symbols (e.g. numbers) |
| 05:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 05:07.44 | thunderfest | but as long as you remember to remove the old lib when the fix come out you'll be fine...and the work around will let you use opengl es 1.1 now....I would not really recommend this for the average user .. but if you are a deveopler who is actively developing with opengl es 1.1 this will get you going on pr1.2 |
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| 05:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | I guess they 'fixed' that with the idiotic "holding a key gets the symbol" kickprovement |
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| 05:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | or kinkprovement |
| 05:09.03 | RST38h | yea, the keyboard (physical and virtual) is definitely suffering from overabundance of "UX designers" |
| 05:09.14 | tybollt_ | \o/ |
| 05:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ack, and not only the kbd |
| 05:10.49 | Stskeeps | meh, you people would be happy with emacs as a UX ;) |
| 05:10.55 | ZogG_N900 | so how do i check if the packages are not broken? |
| 05:11.31 | ZogG_N900 | so maemo still reminds to be as one update instead seperate packages |
| 05:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: there's a fix for the 'symbols without blue' shit (some gconf voodoo) - maybe it fixes the blue button itself as well |
| 05:11.42 | RST38h | Sts: You know I am deeply suspicious of anything using AI language for scripting... |
| 05:11.45 | ZogG_N900 | and next bugfixes never comming |
| 05:12.00 | RST38h | Sts: But at the moment, EMACS does not look like a worse choice |
| 05:12.19 | ZogG_N900 | i would use vim if i needed |
| 05:12.24 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm starting to wonder if RMS's erractic behaviour is from that he actually uploaded himself into emacs .. |
| 05:13.15 | microlith | Stskeeps: so RMS himself has become a LISP program? |
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| 05:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | probably he's always been ;-) |
| 05:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | the ghost in the machine, born in Bell labs, and finally freeing himself by founding party of GNU |
| 05:15.53 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, is it other widgets break it or it's mediad widget bug? |
| 05:16.00 | RST38h | Sts: no, it is from the Tentacled One sucking his brain out early in his career |
| 05:16.15 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: sorry, there is already maemo/meego, we do not need another OS (emacs). :P |
| 05:16.19 | RST38h | ZogG: It is some DBUs bug |
| 05:16.36 | RST38h | ZogG: Complicated by the fact that all widgets are running in the same process |
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| 05:17.05 | tybollt_ | is there an app that displays the date right in the status bar? |
| 05:17.14 | RST38h | yes |
| 05:17.16 | tybollt_ | I seem to recall there was one but can't find it :-| |
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| 05:17.23 | RST38h | there is a few calendar widgets |
| 05:17.34 | RST38h | you can even have it displayed in arabic |
| 05:17.54 | tybollt_ | ja but I mean right up there next to the clock in the status bar? Not on the desktop |
| 05:18.02 | RST38h | oh, no |
| 05:18.16 | tybollt_ | sigh... ok I understand. |
| 05:18.48 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, but shouldn't be fixed in pr1.2. never had that problem before |
| 05:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | status bar is missing quite a few configuration options |
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| 05:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | rsp the applets in there |
| 05:19.12 | RST38h | ZogG: it depends on other applets you have |
| 05:19.20 | RST38h | moo tekojo |
| 05:19.31 | ZogG_N900 | same as before |
| 05:19.44 | ZogG_N900 | conversation and player |
| 05:19.45 | RST38h | which ones? |
| 05:19.52 | RST38h | remove conversation |
| 05:19.59 | RST38h | I can almost bet the player will work |
| 05:20.02 | tekojo | morning |
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| 05:20.23 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, it works. but i need conversations |
| 05:20.44 | RST38h | tough |
| 05:20.58 | tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: Well then we agree, MOAR POWER to the staus bar :) |
| 05:21.07 | tybollt_ | s/staus/status/ |
| 05:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 05:21.27 | RST38h | moar power to the straus bar |
| 05:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | googles for next straus bar |
| 05:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://twitter.com/DionneSouth/status/1431764269 and the strauss bar in Zurich is closed because of drug dealing XP |
| 05:24.16 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, hehe, just typo |
| 05:24.30 | ZogG_N900 | does anyone know how next fixes would work. per package or in update? |
| 05:24.42 | tybollt_ | :( |
| 05:24.45 | wall[e] | rushing works or i'd get fire |
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| 05:24.46 | tybollt_ | Im not a drug dealer |
| 05:24.57 | RST38h | really? |
| 05:25.16 | tybollt_ | come now, I'a zit faced nerd w/ greasy hair and bad breath - who the hell would buyy drugs from me? |
| 05:25.26 | tybollt_ | :) |
| 05:25.30 | RST38h | good cover |
| 05:25.41 | RST38h | and I am sure you do not have a pirate ship, too? |
| 05:25.58 | tybollt_ | I am from sweden so... |
| 05:26.46 | ZogG_N900 | sweden girls. mmmmm |
| 05:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 05:27.27 | infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nap |
| 05:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: wake up! |
| 05:27.28 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up! and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 05:28.12 | microlith | hits hildon-desktop with a stick, show the xchat icon! |
| 05:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | now you got me upset, try again |
| 05:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 05:28.18 | infobot | methinks xyawn is nap |
| 05:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 05:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | overrides silly infobot and heads out for a coffee |
| 05:31.03 | wall[e] | me too |
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| 05:34.46 | tybollt_ | uhm |
| 05:34.52 | tybollt_ | says sygic is free in ovi store |
| 05:34.57 | tybollt_ | can't be, can it? |
| 05:35.01 | RST38h | it can |
| 05:35.05 | RST38h | maps will cost you though |
| 05:35.11 | tybollt_ | heh :) |
| 05:35.19 | tybollt_ | walk right into that one didn't I? :) |
| 05:35.54 | Trizt | tybollt_; 7day trial now in OVI store [http://www.sygic.com/] |
| 05:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | finally I tought her... ;-D |
| 05:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 05:36.18 | infobot | xyawn is, like, strong coffee |
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| 05:36.47 | tybollt_ | did someone around here try sygic? |
| 05:37.01 | RST38h | yes, what would you like to know? |
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| 05:37.37 | tybollt_ | really just overall - does it deliver? |
| 05:37.46 | RST38h | depends on what you need |
| 05:38.06 | RST38h | for a car driver it does, for a pedestrian do not bother |
| 05:38.13 | tybollt_ | ah ok |
| 05:38.18 | tybollt_ | this would be pedestrian |
| 05:38.25 | tybollt_ | I have a separate unit in my car |
| 05:38.47 | RST38h | Maep for pedestrians, free in Extras |
| 05:38.54 | tybollt_ | RST38h: so it's the lack of compass that ruins it for pedestrian or? |
| 05:38.57 | tybollt_ | ah ok |
| 05:38.57 | RST38h | If you want offline maps, Ovi Maps wil do the job |
| 05:38.58 | tybollt_ | sure |
| 05:39.10 | tybollt_ | thanks |
| 05:39.23 | RST38h | tybollt: No, the map lacks detail needed for pedestrian use |
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| 05:39.45 | Trizt | RST38h; but you need an infected machine to get offline maps |
| 05:40.01 | tybollt_ | 'infected'? |
| 05:40.05 | RST38h | tybollt: That is, of course, Russian map. Your mileage may vary |
| 05:40.15 | RST38h | Trizt: No, you do not need Ovi Suite to get aps |
| 05:40.24 | RST38h | Trizt: Can just download and copy them |
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| 05:41.34 | Trizt | RST38h; how do you download the offline maps? |
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| 05:42.34 | RST38h | Trizt: google. |
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| 05:43.08 | ToJa92 | Wow, maep is extremely accurate |
| 05:44.29 | wall[e] | can you use n900 in space? |
| 05:44.32 | wall[e] | like no air |
| 05:44.55 | wall[e] | with bt headset in helmet |
| 05:45.07 | RST38h | wall[e]: you should tr |
| 05:45.08 | RST38h | y |
| 05:45.15 | wall[e] | yeh |
| 05:45.17 | Trizt | not likely, your blood will boil |
| 05:45.32 | wall[e] | no, i'm in space suite |
| 05:46.34 | RST38h | wall[e]: You are in your space suite...like...right now? |
| 05:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: probably yes |
| 05:46.46 | wall[e] | kind of |
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| 05:46.54 | RST38h | I guess this makes the standard "What are you wearing?" question pointless. |
| 05:47.00 | Trizt | then you have to shoult quite a lot and as the space outside lacks medium to transport the sound, your voice wouldn't reach the phone |
| 05:47.40 | Corsac | wall[e]: only in pr1.2 |
| 05:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: you easily can test by putting the N900 into a vacuum chamber |
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| 05:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: but I guess it will not like the hard radiation out in space |
| 05:49.27 | RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/00064gee |
| 05:49.44 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, thanks |
| 05:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: for the vacuum major issues come from touchscreen, LCD, and cell |
| 05:49.45 | Corsac | at what time was the uk pr 1.2 available ota yesterday? |
| 05:49.59 | wall[e] | i only concern like solar activities |
| 05:50.20 | wall[e] | RST38h, http://www.flickr.com/photos/id34/4640706951/ |
| 05:50.31 | wall[e] | while coding I dress like that |
| 05:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: the type of chip used in OMAP reacts extremely unforgiving to xray and ion radiation |
| 05:51.21 | wall[e] | ah |
| 05:51.43 | wazd1 | hello humanity |
| 05:51.48 | RST38h | wall[e]: Does it give you superpowers, or simply prevents the management from crawling from behind and hitting you on the head while screaming "AND DON'T YOU EVER USE STL LIKE THAT"? |
| 05:52.11 | wall[e] | my gf gave me, at least |
| 05:52.16 | wall[e] | i wear it just to make her happy |
| 05:52.23 | RST38h | Ah |
| 05:52.28 | wall[e] | clears screen. |
| 05:52.35 | RST38h | Hello wazd the 1st |
| 05:52.57 | Strobeflux | I cannot send PMs on the site, It says that im not having sufficient privileges or that my accoun't hasnt been activated. But it is activated. |
| 05:53.08 | wall[e] | but.. i like the part that, you can press buttons on the side and auto close the mask and with beeps beeps etc voices and noises. |
| 05:53.27 | RST38h | doubts Doc has ever tried using his OMAP in xray/radiation rich environment |
| 05:53.50 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, someone x-rays the device right? |
| 05:54.03 | wall[e] | but that is different coz it's off? |
| 05:54.08 | wazd1 | RST38h: moo :) |
| 05:54.16 | RST38h | off to work |
| 05:54.24 | wazd1 | anybody knows where to get PR 1.2 theme template? |
| 05:54.25 | wall[e] | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634108 |
| 05:54.32 | wall[e] | for those who wonders |
| 05:54.35 | RST38h | hopes corporate wifi will have to suffer an OTA download today |
| 05:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yu're right, but I know about the design principles for xray-hardened chips used in spacecraft etc, and I can tell OMAP chip is exactly the opposite |
| 05:54.49 | RST38h | Doc: Yes and no |
| 05:55.12 | Corsac | RST38h: I don't have corporate wifi, so I'd rather like if it was available _before_ I leave :) |
| 05:55.36 | RST38h | Doc: IBM Thinkpads have been successfully used on ISS for years |
| 05:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | *inside* ISS |
| 05:55.54 | wall[e] | do they use it outside the iss? |
| 05:55.55 | RST38h | Doc: But yes, you basically want a fault tolerant design |
| 05:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | and those have no OMAP, right? |
| 05:56.19 | RST38h | Doc: It is not like you cannot shield a cell phone, especially if you can shield the huge garbage can the ISS is |
| 05:56.42 | wall[e] | reminds me i wouldn't want digital compass if i were in space |
| 05:56.47 | RST38h | Doc: They have got Intel chips, with the same or higher integration scale than OMAP |
| 05:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: with larger structures and higher currents, so a single ionization doesn't flip the bit or fry the totem pole gate |
| 05:57.13 | RST38h | Doc: Not really sure about it |
| 05:57.28 | wall[e] | ah |
| 05:57.29 | RST38h | Doc: This gets into details that I have no firm understanding of |
| 05:58.14 | RST38h | Doc: But if you want fault tolerant, LEON (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LEON) is actually being used in a lot of low cost Chinese DVD players |
| 05:58.29 | wall[e] | i used to read years ago you can break some hw security like atm with some kind of radiation |
| 05:58.48 | wall[e] | on /. |
| 05:58.53 | Funnyface | is the audio supposed to work out of the box with the lastest easy debian image? I can't get it working, but I still can't find any discussions about it anywhere.. which leads me to think this might be a problem only I have :p |
| 05:58.53 | wall[e] | can't remember the details |
| 05:58.54 | Surfa | sounds like very random approach :) |
| 05:59.04 | RST38h | Not every thing you read on Slashdot is true :) |
| 05:59.11 | wall[e] | i know :) |
| 05:59.28 | RST38h | ==> WORK |
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| 06:03.46 | mece | how are things going maemites? |
| 06:04.13 | Stskeeps | i'd steer clear of t.m.o if you haven't already |
| 06:04.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:04.22 | mece | how so? |
| 06:04.28 | Stskeeps | toxic environment |
| 06:04.32 | mece | haa :D |
| 06:04.39 | mece | the best cind |
| 06:04.40 | mece | kind |
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| 06:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678046#post678046 |
| 06:17.58 | tybollt_ | actually |
| 06:18.19 | wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, thanks! |
| 06:19.24 | wall[e] | 45 mins to the dead line |
| 06:19.26 | wall[e] | hahaha |
| 06:19.28 | wall[e] | damn |
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| 06:24.25 | Funnyface | hmm "Ad-hoc wifi leaks kernel memory, puts N900 into unusable swap hell" listed as fixed bugs in 1.2, hopefully joikuspot should be usable for longer than ~45 mins then |
| 06:25.24 | lejonet | Hmmm, when doing an backup of user stuff and the app list, what directories do I have to save? MyDocs and ?? |
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| 06:25.38 | lejonet | on the N900, forgot to add that |
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| 06:27.50 | Tuukka | lejonet, just use the N900's backup app and you don't need to worry about directories |
| 06:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: no, after 45 minutes the case begins to melt down. ;-P |
| 06:28.45 | Funnyface | lol |
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| 06:29.17 | Funnyface | well, the latest version of joikuspot didn't seem to use as much CPU as the first one |
| 06:30.10 | lejonet | Tuukka: I never looked to see if it had a native backup app lol, I just used grsync and synced the relevant dirs (that I thought :P) |
| 06:30.52 | lejonet | Tuukka: Now I feel a bit sheepish :P |
| 06:30.52 | Tuukka | :D |
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| 06:31.53 | lejonet | That went fast and painless lol :P |
| 06:32.05 | lejonet | well, time to flash the N900 to PR1.2 ^^ |
| 06:32.23 | Hukka | Does anyone know what kind of 3G speeds N900 supports? There's a discount for an unlimited dataplan, and am thinking of upgrading from 384kbps |
| 06:32.39 | Surfa | lejonet, ota promised today doesn't suit you? |
| 06:32.45 | Funnyface | hehe I am still waiting like an impatient kid for the update to show up in the app manager :P |
| 06:33.07 | lejonet | Hukka: I have 7.2Mbps 3G, I havent really tested to see how much of that I get, but it is atleast 2Mbps down |
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| 06:33.31 | lejonet | Surfa: Well I heard that some rekommend a flash anyway, besides that would clean up the mess I created too :P |
| 06:33.37 | lejonet | recommend* |
| 06:33.39 | Tuukka | Yeah me too I don't feel like doing all those adblock and rootfs space tweaks again... |
| 06:33.43 | Hukka | lejonet: That's quite bad, compared to the specified 10Mbps downlink... |
| 06:33.57 | Funnyface | "Nokia doesnt have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900. The reason? Its really about ensuring that you have the best possible experience designed for the features on your Nokia N900 device." sounds like something steve jobs could have said |
| 06:34.22 | Surfa | lejonet, recommend is quite strong word to use, but if you like to |
| 06:34.22 | Funnyface | just that I think nokia fans won't accept that in the same way as apple fans would accept it from apple :P |
| 06:35.02 | tybollt_ | well IIRC apple actually offered the fanbois to pay for OS upgrade |
| 06:35.03 | lejonet | Hukka: Well I havent really been in the places with the best coverage either :P |
| 06:35.13 | Surfa | Hukka, how about this site http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n900/specifications |
| 06:35.27 | Surfa | Hukka, suprisingly it might contain information you need |
| 06:35.39 | Hukka | Surfa: Yeah, that says the 10Mbps downlink (or the usa version did) |
| 06:35.51 | Hukka | Surfa: Do you trust broadband numbers as announced? |
| 06:36.01 | Surfa | by operators? |
| 06:36.04 | Surfa | no |
| 06:36.05 | Hukka | Surfa: Surprisignly, there's inflation |
| 06:36.10 | Hukka | By modem providers |
| 06:36.13 | tybollt_ | and seriously - the usual argument "OS X.y.z is not designed for $HARDWARE - yo have to buy $NEW_HARDWARE to use it" can't possibly fly seeing as stskeeps is developing the OS on this very device... :S |
| 06:36.35 | Hukka | That's the same as buying any 10 dollar mobile usb stick and wondering why you aren't getting the whole 7.2Mbps |
| 06:36.36 | Funnyface | haha |
| 06:36.37 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: i never claimed to understand that argument |
| 06:36.47 | timeless_mbp | !seen andre__ |
| 06:36.47 | Surfa | Hukka, i happen to know that network is in 99% cases the bottle neck |
| 06:36.58 | Surfa | don't worry about your device capabilities |
| 06:37.03 | lejonet | timeless_mbp: I think its ~seen here |
| 06:37.13 | timeless_mbp | ~seen andre__ |
| 06:37.17 | infobot | andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 52m 56s ago, saying: 'mece, looks okay from a quick view. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products'. |
| 06:37.17 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: pure speculation on my part - but I guess it is logical enough... |
| 06:37.31 | Hukka | Surfa: The network has been verified to deliver with HSPA+ sticks, so don't worry about what I'm not asking |
| 06:37.33 | timeless_mbp | ~summon andre__ |
| 06:37.44 | infobot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing andre__'s coordinates |
| 06:38.24 | Surfa | Hukka, so nothing to worry about |
| 06:38.27 | Tuukka | Just tested my speed in peedtest.net 3.14Mb/s out and 0.78 Mb/s in. In 3G network almost full strenght using 15Mb/s dataplan |
| 06:38.49 | Hukka | Tuukka: Which operator? |
| 06:39.04 | Surfa | Tuukka, well, there are plenty of things that affect throughputs in addition to signal strength |
| 06:39.33 | Tuukka | Saunalahti, you propably ain't aware of it I'm from Finland |
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| 06:39.53 | Surfa | Tuukka, and hukka wouldn't be from finland? :) |
| 06:39.59 | Funnyface | the HSDPA providers here support "7.2Mbit" HSDPA, but still say "0.5 to 1.5Mbit" as "realistic speeds" |
| 06:40.15 | Funnyface | however, I don't really think the speed is the problem with HSDPA |
| 06:40.22 | Tuukka | Judging from his nick maybe.. :D |
| 06:40.28 | Corsac | tybollt_: imho the very problem about commercial meego on n900 is the upgrade path |
| 06:41.03 | Hukka | Or whoissing me... |
| 06:41.04 | Surfa | Hukka, but anyway, i'm pretty sure that n900 won't be the bottleneck in your data transfers anyway |
| 06:41.07 | Hukka | Tuukka: Which city? |
| 06:41.14 | Tuukka | Hukka, Turku |
| 06:41.25 | Hukka | Ah, ok. Don't know about there |
| 06:41.37 | Hukka | I know the speeds can exceed 10Mbps in Oulu and Helsinki |
| 06:41.38 | Surfa | public networks have that much changing conditions that they are the ones limiting the throughputs before the device |
| 06:41.41 | tybollt_ | corsac: <Nookla> Hi Guys! Maemo fs layout was seriously FAIL! Here's how it should've worked from the begining - backup your device - wipe it and flash it - easy huh? |
| 06:41.54 | Tuukka | Quite happy with my dataplan it's fast, unlimited and pretty affordable ~15e/motnh |
| 06:41.57 | pupnik | Must Hear. Marc Faber speech on economic outlook: http://mises.org/media/4980 (mp3, 67:32) |
| 06:42.00 | Corsac | tybollt_: OTA seems not really doable, flashing could work but if it messes deeply that means user settings might not be conserved, backups won't apply etc. which might not be really commercialy fine :) |
| 06:42.53 | Tuukka | Hukka, well technically i'm not in Turku atm. At work in Kaarina |
| 06:43.12 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: where was he planning to back up his device? |
| 06:43.18 | Surfa | Hukka, constant speeds? in live networks? :) i highly doubt that... peaks may of course be near to that, but constant i believe when i see |
| 06:43.45 | Hukka | Tuukka: 13,90 a month ;) |
| 06:43.56 | Surfa | saunalahti has those offers until end of month? |
| 06:43.57 | Tuukka | Yep =) |
| 06:44.03 | Funnyface | with my data plan, I can transfer as much as I want for about 1 euro per day, but at 200MB I get dropped to EDGE until the next day. problem is that each MB is still like half an euro per MB until that limit is reached, so for occasional use the plan sucks |
| 06:44.23 | tybollt_ | ~buy box of leijona tar candies for timeless_mbp |
| 06:44.24 | infobot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen of leijona tar candies for timeless_mbps for box |
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| 06:44.48 | Funnyface | I'd really love some sort of combined plan for say 1GB per month, while also having the ability to use the network a lot on specific days :p |
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| 06:45.24 | tybollt_ | timeless_mbp: well backup inside the device and copy it to $SAFE_PLACE |
| 06:45.34 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: do i not want that candy? |
| 06:45.57 | tybollt_ | you tell me |
| 06:45.57 | Tuukka | Surfa, but the price stays for the whole to year contract |
| 06:46.06 | timeless_mbp | "tar" sounds bad |
| 06:46.20 | tybollt_ | timeless_mbp: seriously have no idea what candy I am talking about? :) |
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| 06:46.35 | Corsac | don't take a candy from a stranger |
| 06:46.41 | Wolfie | leijona tar is awesome |
| 06:46.45 | timeless_mbp | thankfully, i believe that's correct |
| 06:46.58 | Hukka | Tuukka: Yeah, the think is it's only 4 euros more, but on the downside I would be stuck with it for two years |
| 06:47.04 | Surfa | Tuukka, i know i know |
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| 06:47.16 | Surfa | Hukka, it's not 2 years contract |
| 06:47.16 | tybollt_ | timeless_mbp: terva leijona it's a friggin classic |
| 06:47.29 | Surfa | Hukka, you may get rid of it any time you want |
| 06:47.44 | Surfa | only the price is fixed for 2 years |
| 06:47.47 | Hukka | Surfa: Then you have different offers from me |
| 06:47.51 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: i'll pass? |
| 06:47.55 | timeless_mbp | https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=14223 |
| 06:47.56 | povbot` | Bug 14223: was not found. |
| 06:48.01 | timeless_mbp | 4 months to get rid of one space |
| 06:48.03 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 06:48.30 | Surfa | Hukka, nope http://saunalahti.fi/gsm/mobiililaajakaista.php |
| 06:48.31 | Wolfie | hm... isn't leijona a salmiac candy? don't see it in salmiyuck.com's (crappy) title photo |
| 06:48.40 | Surfa | Hukka, "Sopimus ei ole määräaikainen." |
| 06:48.56 | Hukka | "Määräaikainen sopimus 24 kk" |
| 06:49.00 | Wolfie | :D |
| 06:49.13 | tybollt_ | <Mr T> I pity the fool</Mr T> |
| 06:49.13 | Hukka | Ok, that one is a different deal |
| 06:49.38 | mece | hey, damn missed the 3g speed discussion |
| 06:49.50 | Hukka | Hm... so it looks like the defined contract includes a usb stick but otherwise is the same |
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| 06:50.15 | mece | I have the cheapest data with sauna for my N900 from saunalahti. 384kbps. |
| 06:50.21 | Hukka | mece: Same |
| 06:50.25 | Tuukka | Who needs a usb stick :D You can use your N900 to tether |
| 06:50.46 | Hukka | Tuukka: Yeah, I know, but I only saw the adverts for the packet |
| 06:50.50 | Surfa | Tuukka, if you have lack of electricity the usb-stick is more useful |
| 06:51.01 | mece | but, here in my office in ICT I sometimes get speeds of around 1Mbps for some reason. Only here though. |
| 06:51.07 | Surfa | and you don't need your phone and can use it for other purposes elsewhere |
| 06:51.11 | Hukka | Surfa: You can buy a separate stick, though |
| 06:51.33 | Hukka | Surfa: Does the free contract include multi-SIM? |
| 06:51.36 | Funnyface | mece: perhaps the tower there doesn't allow plain UMTS |
| 06:51.43 | mece | perhaps. |
| 06:51.45 | sivang | Greetings from Nokia Developer Workshop in TLV :) |
| 06:51.47 | Lynoure | I think I have one old stick to spare, if someone needs one. |
| 06:51.57 | Lynoure | Assuming the new one works, when it arrives. |
| 06:52.08 | Surfa | Hukka, i don't know :) i've never been interested in multi sims |
| 06:52.09 | Lynoure | They push them as extras, annoyingly |
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| 06:56.18 | tybollt_ | timeless_mbp: OpenSolaris - the project that after 5 years still is not open. :) |
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| 06:56.40 | tybollt_ | you can't compile osolaris w/out massive amounts of binaries |
| 06:57.01 | Corsac | that reminds me of something else |
| 06:57.31 | lejonet | Cool, I must say I like the improved bootup time so far in PR1.2 :P |
| 06:59.03 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: it's more open than maemo :) |
| 07:00.19 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: and that one character fix is still better than some of my symbian patches :) |
| 07:01.21 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: i think i might have finally fixed it! |
| 07:01.34 | timeless_mbp | please say you haven't updated to 1.2 yet :) |
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| 07:03.59 | thunderfest | Here I did a wrtie up on the state of opengles under pr1.2 and detail some workarounds to get it going http://jacobpennock.com/blog/?p=42 |
| 07:04.05 | pupnik | bamboo for crash reporting? |
| 07:04.17 | pupnik | could volunteers run debug builds of pr release candidates, for crash reporting? |
| 07:04.39 | pupnik | sorry, bad keying |
| 07:06.45 | sivang | timeless_mbp: in the developer workshop :) |
| 07:06.51 | sivang | timeless_mbp: how's you? |
| 07:06.56 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 07:07.09 | timeless_mbp | is in a 2 hour meeting |
| 07:07.14 | sivang | timeless_mbp: ohhh |
| 07:07.40 | sivang | timeless_mbp: been quite lately, had to take real life prpjects for bills paying,got a free day at last to attend the event |
| 07:07.53 | sivang | timeless_mbp: *quiet |
| 07:07.57 | phellarv | Moin' |
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| 07:10.53 | noobmonk3y | hmmm just me or is the custom operator widget now doing nothing? |
| 07:12.54 | noobmonk3y | i wonder if i shout bacon loud enoughm will people amazingly wake up? :D :D :D |
| 07:12.58 | noobmonk3y | enough* |
| 07:13.17 | bleeter | mmmm bcaon |
| 07:13.24 | noobmonk3y | lol :P |
| 07:13.42 | noobmonk3y | wow.... bacon made tekojo quit ;) - *Shocker* |
| 07:14.10 | phellarv | mmmmm - snus |
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| 07:15.57 | mece | has a craving for a footlong subway |
| 07:16.04 | mece | blames noobmonk3y |
| 07:16.15 | Funnyface | http://cgi.ebay.com/1930mAh-BL-5J-HIGH-CAPACITY-BATTERY-NOKIA-5800-N900-/200471742882?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries&hash=item2ead0c09a2 I wonder if this battery truely is 1930mA as stated.. probably not |
| 07:16.16 | noobmonk3y | lol mece :P |
| 07:16.32 | noobmonk3y | no is the answer to that |
| 07:16.53 | noobmonk3y | Funnyface, same size, same shape, yet more juice ;) - the seller is praying on dumbasses |
| 07:17.01 | Funnyface | probably |
| 07:17.24 | Funnyface | and the battery doesn't have the capacity printed on it, meaning they can type in any capacity they want.. :P |
| 07:17.53 | noobmonk3y | :) yup |
| 07:18.11 | noobmonk3y | anyway, chances are very unlikely at that price |
| 07:18.28 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:18.35 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 07:18.45 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y with a bunch of waffles |
| 07:18.51 | noobmonk3y | ooo yayness! |
| 07:19.07 | noobmonk3y | inventive frals! i likie |
| 07:19.09 | tybollt_ | slaps frals around a bit w/ an automatic apn/mms setting sms parser which he must integrate in FMMS |
| 07:19.22 | noobmonk3y | ^winzor |
| 07:19.45 | frals | tybollt_: feel free to do it! |
| 07:20.16 | tybollt_ | I would but I think fMMS is closed source so I can't... *visslar* |
| 07:20.22 | frals | haha |
| 07:20.24 | tybollt_ | ;) |
| 07:20.26 | mece | LOL |
| 07:20.39 | frals | actually a sms parsers wouldnt need to be included in fmms in anyway ;) |
| 07:20.49 | tybollt_ | right |
| 07:20.59 | tybollt_ | well |
| 07:21.15 | tybollt_ | you still need to configure fmms right? |
| 07:21.23 | noobmonk3y | frals does however porn all trout porn pics sent via mms, and forward them to himself :P |
| 07:21.28 | noobmonk3y | tybollt_, yes :( |
| 07:21.28 | mece | hey has anyone had problems answering the phone with pr1.2? I had a strange issue just now.. |
| 07:21.36 | noobmonk3y | mece, nope :) |
| 07:21.50 | timeless_mbp | mece: we don't receive calls in .fi :) |
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| 07:22.07 | frals | tybollt_: id just revert to making it shwo a list of configured apn's, would take 5minutes ;) |
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| 07:22.27 | mece | well luckily the one calling was a telemarketer (according to google) so It was nice that I failed to answer. |
| 07:22.55 | noobmonk3y | deleted his mms apn |
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| 07:23.07 | noobmonk3y | phone kept bloody connecting to it and pissed me off |
| 07:23.12 | frals | lol |
| 07:23.14 | frals | not my fault :( |
| 07:23.20 | noobmonk3y | true, i blame lcuk |
| 07:23.20 | frals | you should have set fmms to havoc! ;) |
| 07:23.26 | tybollt_ | frals: to be perfectly honest - that's what I don't get - why doesn't it just offer you the apn-list when you click configure :) |
| 07:23.38 | tybollt_ | I like that |
| 07:23.42 | frals | tybollt_: because users are stupid |
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| 07:23.47 | noobmonk3y | that would be a hell of alot easier :P |
| 07:23.54 | frals | tybollt_: and with pr1.2 the autoconfig should be better |
| 07:23.55 | hrw | morning |
| 07:23.59 | noobmonk3y | agrees <--------------- I r Stup1d |
| 07:24.01 | tybollt_ | frals: got that right! Missus calls me "bloody stupid" even |
| 07:24.08 | frals | tybollt_: ^^ |
| 07:24.43 | mece | anyway the issue was this, the phone thingamabob popped up as usually, but just when I tapped answer, the screen changed into 4 buttons instead of 2, and the answer/reject ones were on the bottom row, so I clicked one of the top row ones instead by mistake. |
| 07:25.53 | mece | i think it was send sms. Anyway after that I couldn't get back to the phone app to answer. |
| 07:25.54 | tybollt_ | yonkers - did you praps turn the mobile somehow - hence triggering the accel-o-meter? |
| 07:26.12 | furunk3l | yes hellau |
| 07:26.21 | mece | I've set it to portrait, as in not auto, so it shouldn't be affected by that. |
| 07:26.30 | tybollt_ | true |
| 07:26.41 | tybollt_ | furunk3l: why is there hell in .au? :S |
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| 07:27.06 | furunk3l | just cause |
| 07:27.24 | furunk3l | ask TheAppleMan |
| 07:27.30 | furunk3l | i bet he knows why |
| 07:29.18 | TheAppleMan | Woah! Don't drag me into this. |
| 07:29.35 | MaikB | Speaking of the Phone task, is there an dbus message that broadcasts if the user gets a call? Running processes should react to this message by putting their CPU intensive parts on hold. |
| 07:30.23 | tybollt_ | blames TheAppleMan - indeed |
| 07:30.24 | tybollt_ | :) |
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| 07:30.52 | MaikB | Or is this issue dealt with via the `nice' value? |
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| 07:32.55 | noobmonk3y | meh's |
| 07:33.20 | noobmonk3y | i really should goto work |
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| 07:36.32 | PhonicUK | pr 1.2 swapped around the Back and Bookmarks buttons in the browser :s |
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| 07:38.01 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: yeah |
| 07:38.04 | timeless_mbp | minor changes happen :) |
| 07:38.31 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: i'm actually relatively happy w/ those changes |
| 07:40.13 | MaikB | Since I'm to lazy to flash my N900 I wonder at which time today 1.2 will be pushed in Germany. |
| 07:40.31 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: no one here knows |
| 07:40.38 | timeless_mbp | just be patient, your n900 will tell you when it's ready |
| 07:40.57 | tybollt_ | all the nokians here knows but enjoys laughing sinisterly at us when we're asking... >:) |
| 07:41.07 | tybollt_ | ;) |
| 07:41.15 | timeless_mbp | is a nokian |
| 07:41.18 | timeless_mbp | has absolutely no idea |
| 07:41.32 | timeless_mbp | the way i'll know it's available in .de is when a customer from .de says it was offered |
| 07:41.33 | FIQ | hmm |
| 07:42.05 | FIQ | I told you yesterday that i somehow lost all my repositories |
| 07:42.15 | FIQ | My battery died then, so i didn't see any answers |
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| 07:42.25 | MaikB | Does someone know how this works? Does the repository server see where I'm from and hold back the upgrade, or is there different Server for the UK? |
| 07:42.27 | FIQ | Can i get some help with resetting it? |
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| 07:42.51 | FIQ | Because, i have _no_ repositories at all |
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| 07:43.38 | MaikB | takes a look at the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:43.38 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: you want /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 07:43.39 | timeless_mbp | the repository server isn't one server |
| 07:43.39 | timeless_mbp | it's one address at many locations |
| 07:43.47 | timeless_mbp | and dns generally controls which server you reach |
| 07:44.16 | timeless_mbp | dns can work any way it likes, but generally dns for magic addresses tries to pick a server that is "close" to you and "fast" to you |
| 07:44.52 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, I see |
| 07:44.55 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, thanks |
| 07:45.05 | timeless_mbp | i believe we're using akamai... |
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| 07:45.50 | MaikB | I guess the repo at the Server I am forwarded to just has to be populated with 1.2 then |
| 07:46.05 | timeless_mbp | roughly |
| 07:46.14 | MaikB | And this is done by the Admins running it |
| 07:46.54 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 07:47.03 | FIQ | Hey |
| 07:47.05 | timeless_mbp | admins don't really "run" these boxes like that |
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| 07:47.36 | FIQ | Seems as i have some repos in hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 07:48.03 | FIQ | But why does the application manager not recognize anything now? |
| 07:48.10 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, What I mean is this: The guys who manage the repo for the UK and those who manage the one for the rest of Europe are different people |
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| 07:48.19 | MaikB | is this statement correct? |
| 07:48.21 | MaikB | :) |
| 07:48.24 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: it doesn't work like that |
| 07:48.29 | timeless_mbp | at least, not generally |
| 07:48.30 | FIQ | sources.list seems to be empty |
| 07:48.35 | FIQ | is that why? |
| 07:48.40 | timeless_mbp | FIQ: souces.list is a legacy file |
| 07:48.45 | timeless_mbp | for you to **** with |
| 07:48.45 | FIQ | ah |
| 07:48.58 | FIQ | but why don't i have any repos in appmanager then? |
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| 07:49.00 | timeless_mbp | apt honors it and sources.list.d/*.list |
| 07:49.07 | MaikB | FIQ: this is the location on my device /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
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| 07:49.20 | FIQ | Yes, it contains things |
| 07:49.24 | timeless_mbp | but my mac is out of power |
| 07:49.27 | timeless_mbp | so i'm going offline |
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| 07:49.35 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, cya |
| 07:49.48 | FIQ | but when i take up the menu and look up "Program Catalogues", the list is empty |
| 07:50.42 | midas_ | well, it wasnt that timeless then :P |
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| 07:51.57 | LiraNuna | there was an update to Power Kernel today |
| 07:52.44 | LiraNuna | it wrecked my wifi |
| 07:52.44 | LiraNuna | anyone having the same problem? |
| 07:52.44 | midas_ | hey yeah! |
| 07:52.44 | midas_ | i cant connect via wifi to my phone anymore |
| 07:52.44 | midas_ | it says it has a ip tho |
| 07:52.44 | LiraNuna | and I can't restore stock kernel :| |
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| 07:53.07 | midas_ | oh well, just a reflash |
| 07:53.23 | LiraNuna | I don't feel like a backup |
| 07:53.30 | midas_ | hm mine is working again |
| 07:53.39 | midas_ | wifiswitches + powerkernel issue |
| 07:53.54 | LiraNuna | wifiswitches? |
| 07:53.54 | midas_ | just restarted wifiswitcher |
| 07:54.45 | hrw | LiraNuna: flash only kernel then |
| 07:55.13 | phellarv | wifiswitcher - Switch wifi off and on, and you're all good! |
| 07:55.39 | midas_ | putty + n900 :) |
| 07:55.57 | phellarv | Why putty? |
| 07:56.14 | midas_ | because i dont have a linuxbox on my desk right now |
| 07:56.55 | phellarv | midas_: Oooh - Kk - I thought you where using putty on your N900? |
| 07:57.01 | LiraNuna | how do I use wifiswitcher? |
| 07:57.03 | midas_ | haha no no :P |
| 07:57.05 | LiraNuna | do I need to download it? |
| 07:57.30 | midas_ | if you dont have it yet, yes but probably you have a different problem than i had |
| 07:57.39 | Tuukka | Seems like the ota is around the edge here in finland. Some packages been updated in repos. |
| 07:57.43 | LiraNuna | I don't have an internet connection anymore |
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| 07:58.29 | phellarv | LiraNuna: Did you go from one wifi hotspot to another? |
| 07:58.54 | LiraNuna | nope |
| 07:58.58 | LiraNuna | was at home |
| 07:59.06 | phellarv | And? |
| 07:59.20 | LiraNuna | updated the power kernel as I saw it popped up |
| 07:59.25 | LiraNuna | then left the phone |
| 07:59.33 | LiraNuna | came back later and I see wifi tries to connect forever |
| 07:59.44 | phellarv | Uhm - you must reboot after a kernel update. |
| 07:59.48 | LiraNuna | I know |
| 07:59.53 | LiraNuna | I did |
| 08:00.02 | Tuukka | Hukka, Surfa, OTA is here =)) |
| 08:00.24 | midas_ | over the air is everywere Tuukka ;) |
| 08:00.26 | LiraNuna | damnit, 1.8MB on EDGE |
| 08:00.27 | LiraNuna | :| |
| 08:00.28 | phellarv | LiraNuna: Kill the saved wifi-connection. |
| 08:00.45 | LiraNuna | kill == erase? |
| 08:00.46 | Surfa | Tuukka, hooray.. must install it right away |
| 08:00.50 | phellarv | LiraNuna: Mmm |
| 08:01.16 | midas_ | ah after a shell apt-get update and upgrade, i have it in my app manager :P |
| 08:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | maemo5 OTA in Germany |
| 08:01.39 | LiraNuna | phellarv, no go |
| 08:01.48 | MaikB | wow, just did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to see how many packages being hold back. A ton! |
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| 08:01.50 | LiraNuna | fails to connect |
| 08:01.51 | MaikB | cool beans |
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| 08:02.03 | matthew- | Hey, any1 available for help? trying to reflash my n900 under mac and im getting |
| 08:02.15 | matthew- | flasher-3.5: invalid option -- P |
| 08:02.16 | thresh | no OTA in Russia still |
| 08:02.17 | thresh | :( |
| 08:02.18 | phellarv | LiraNuna: Get wifiswitcher - turn wifi on and off - helped for me |
| 08:02.25 | Wolfie | yay, go finland |
| 08:02.27 | LiraNuna | how can I get wifiswitcher |
| 08:02.31 | phellarv | HAM |
| 08:02.36 | LiraNuna | I am on retarded EDGE that barely works |
| 08:02.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 08:02.46 | timeless | matthew: why do you want to use flasher? |
| 08:02.55 | matthew- | timeless: cause my device doesnt switch on ? |
| 08:02.57 | matthew- | :< |
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| 08:03.16 | Wolfie | over 100mb of updates... that's not a little... |
| 08:03.19 | Wolfie | over 3g :) |
| 08:03.25 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 OTA and fiasco shipping, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lM |
| 08:03.32 | midas_ | Wolfie: nope it isnt |
| 08:03.49 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:03.58 | MaikB | I get 100MByte updates for my Arch Linux installation every week :P |
| 08:03.59 | midas_ | DocScrutinizer: youtoob link is broken |
| 08:03.59 | matthew- | I'm using http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Console_with_Flasher-3.5 guide. |
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| 08:04.13 | Wolfie | MaikB: but hardly over cellular network... |
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| 08:04.20 | matthew- | and then RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_F5_203_ARM.bin |
| 08:04.27 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 OTA and fiasco shipping, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 08:04.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:04.32 | MaikB | Wolfie, nope |
| 08:04.33 | timeless | matthew: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 doesn't list -P |
| 08:04.44 | LiraNuna | could it be that the new kernel expect something in PR1.2? |
| 08:05.08 | phellarv | LiraNuna: Seems strange. |
| 08:05.20 | LiraNuna | wifi just died after I upgraded+rebooted |
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| 08:06.27 | Wolfie | does 1.2 add more authentication protocols to wifi, by happenstance? haven't seen any advertisement about that, but I hope I missed something :) |
| 08:06.51 | timeless | fwiw, it's typical for nokia doing a uk based launch to GO @9am London time |
| 08:07.03 | matthew- | timeless: yeah but the guide does.. |
| 08:07.08 | timeless | which was 7mins ago |
| 08:07.10 | midas_ | stupid thing, i dont want to backup |
| 08:07.30 | phellarv | LiraNuna: try "ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 up" |
| 08:07.30 | timeless | matthew: well that sounds stupid |
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| 08:07.40 | Corsac | how large is the SSU update? |
| 08:07.45 | matthew- | timeless: and look at this: |
| 08:07.46 | matthew- | To flash just a part of the whole FIASCO image (for example, only rootfs) run $ flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=rootfs -f |
| 08:07.48 | LiraNuna | phellarv, already restored stock kernel |
| 08:07.52 | Wolfie | Corsac: 110 and a bit |
| 08:07.55 | Wolfie | megabytes |
| 08:07.56 | matthew- | ON the wiki page u gave me |
| 08:07.58 | Corsac | hmh |
| 08:07.59 | phellarv | LiraNuna: Did it help? |
| 08:08.05 | Corsac | might bit a bit too large over 3g :) |
| 08:08.08 | LiraNuna | rebooting now |
| 08:08.08 | timeless | was the guide on *.maemo.org? it ran off my screen because of someone's topic change |
| 08:08.25 | Wolfie | Corsac: nah, i'm currently doing that. I have the whole workday to spend, so... |
| 08:08.38 | visz | ahha |
| 08:08.42 | Wolfie | doesn't matter whether it takes an hour or five |
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| 08:08.45 | visz | OTA available in finland |
| 08:08.55 | timeless | matthew: sure, |
| 08:09.05 | timeless | is there a problem w/ that? |
| 08:09.10 | matthew- | timeless: So i've got no clue what to do now |
| 08:09.13 | LiraNuna | is OTA available in US? |
| 08:09.15 | matthew- | well there is no '-P' |
| 08:09.22 | matthew- | so there kinda is :D |
| 08:09.34 | matthew- | sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R |
| 08:09.35 | timeless | matthew: did you download an image? |
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| 08:09.38 | matthew- | that's what it says |
| 08:09.38 | X-Fade | I see the global SSU now too. |
| 08:09.39 | matthew- | yes |
| 08:09.39 | Corsac | Wolfie: yeah but I kind-of have a 1G limit on my unlimited dataplan so... :) |
| 08:09.43 | midas_ | okay, why does my phone want to be hooked up to a pc? |
| 08:09.49 | matthew- | so im doing mbp:Downloads Matt$ sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 08:10.00 | LiraNuna | phellarv, yep, restoring the stock kernel worked ... |
| 08:10.02 | timeless | sure |
| 08:10.09 | matthew- | and it gives me flasher-3.5: invalid option -- P |
| 08:10.09 | matthew- | Usage: flasher [OPTIONS] |
| 08:10.09 | matthew- | Options: |
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| 08:10.29 | timeless | and then you turn on your already attached n900 |
| 08:10.44 | matthew- | timeless: yeah, but nothing happens |
| 08:10.52 | timeless | hrm |
| 08:11.11 | matthew- | http://pastebin.com/ag7EKLEr |
| 08:11.16 | matthew- | and it doesnt specify what the P is |
| 08:11.20 | timeless | rename that file to "fiasco" |
| 08:11.43 | LiraNuna | also, did anyone notice the recent Opera updates? |
| 08:11.47 | LiraNuna | there's no changelog :( |
| 08:11.48 | timeless | i think you're missing the -F before the image name |
| 08:12.38 | matthew- | timeless: it doesn't make the difference if its .fiasco .bin or .tranny |
| 08:12.38 | timeless | lira: why the heck do you neeed a changelog for your web browser? |
| 08:12.38 | n900-dk_ | What should be backed up before OTA update? |
| 08:12.38 | matthew- | well, at lest it shouldnt, should it? |
| 08:12.38 | timeless | matthew: no no no no |
| 08:12.40 | timeless | rename ther entire file to uust fiasco |
| 08:12.52 | timeless | the fewer charaadters the easier it is for you not to screw up |
| 08:12.53 | matthew- | JUST fiasco ? |
| 08:12.59 | timeless | yes |
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| 08:13.23 | timeless | the app doesn't care, but your commandline looked wrong |
| 08:13.30 | timeless | and i'm typing on my n900 |
| 08:13.35 | MaikB | matthew-, the filename and extension doesn't matter. timeless wants to make command you have to enter shorter |
| 08:13.44 | timeless | so i don't want to have to type ouy something long |
| 08:13.45 | matthew- | yeah |
| 08:13.45 | MaikB | thats all |
| 08:13.47 | mece | damn this bug is annoying: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10273 |
| 08:13.48 | povbot` | Bug 10273: Auto-capitalization somewhat broken |
| 08:13.51 | timeless | maikb++ |
| 08:14.09 | matthew- | timeless: ok, well im only following wiki |
| 08:14.21 | timeless | mbp:Downloads Matt$ sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -P |
| 08:14.29 | timeless | there's a P there |
| 08:14.37 | matthew- | ok |
| 08:14.39 | matthew- | flashing. |
| 08:14.47 | matthew- | timeless: yeah |
| 08:14.52 | timeless | it should have been an F |
| 08:14.54 | matthew- | i changed -P with -F |
| 08:15.09 | matthew- | timeless: sorry there is -F not -P in wiki |
| 08:15.17 | matthew- | i just dont have my glasses on ;d |
| 08:15.30 | timeless | miakb: please ask guide author to improve the font for that line |
| 08:15.46 | timeless | matthew: perfectly reasonable problem |
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| 08:16.11 | midas_ | quick question, why does my n900 need to be hooked up to my pc for a ota update? |
| 08:16.23 | mece | midas_, it does not |
| 08:16.25 | timeless | midas: it shouldn't |
| 08:16.29 | matthew- | timeless: will do, thanks. |
| 08:16.30 | timeless | who said otherwise? |
| 08:16.41 | midas_ | mece: / timeless but it does :P |
| 08:16.47 | midas_ | the installer told me |
| 08:16.47 | crashanddie | midas_: it doesn't |
| 08:17.02 | mece | midas_, you have experimental qt libs perhaps? |
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| 08:17.05 | midas_ | it says backup, did that, now i want to continue and it cant |
| 08:17.07 | midas_ | nope |
| 08:17.21 | crashanddie | mate, what installer told you that? |
| 08:17.27 | crashanddie | xxxporn.bin? |
| 08:17.27 | mece | midas_, what exactly does it say? |
| 08:17.44 | petteri | it asks if you wan't to do backup before upgrading |
| 08:17.55 | crashanddie | wan't? |
| 08:17.57 | midas_ | it does, correct |
| 08:18.07 | crashanddie | interesting spelling |
| 08:18.12 | midas_ | and then, i cant continue even after backing up |
| 08:18.16 | petteri | sorry about that :P |
| 08:18.23 | mece | midas_, what does it say? |
| 08:18.41 | crashanddie | midas_: installer on the N900 or on your computer? |
| 08:18.42 | midas_ | just a second, starting it again :P |
| 08:18.48 | midas_ | crashanddie: n900 |
| 08:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: my condolences :-) |
| 08:19.17 | timeless | midas: if the n900 doesn't like it config |
| 08:19.28 | timeless | it can suggest using the computer to reflash |
| 08:19.38 | timeless | that is an available message |
| 08:19.44 | midas_ | just a quick translation, to upgrade your device to this version you need the program for upgrading, hook your phone to the pc and start the program |
| 08:19.58 | timeless | midas: don't translate |
| 08:20.09 | timeless | but you got the path i just described |
| 08:20.11 | midas_ | oh well, just a reflash |
| 08:20.13 | mece | midas_, that means you have something incompatible on the phone. |
| 08:20.25 | timeless | your n900 doesn't have space or it has a conflict |
| 08:20.25 | hrw | ok, my n900 is upgrading |
| 08:20.28 | midas_ | timeless: you want it in dutch? :P |
| 08:20.30 | hrw | LR1.2 -> PR1.2 |
| 08:20.35 | crashanddie | midas_: waarom niet? |
| 08:20.39 | timeless | mias: yes |
| 08:20.44 | mece | timeless, if it doesn't have space, it tells you it doesn't have space. |
| 08:20.45 | midas_ | ja voor jou is het geen probleem :p |
| 08:20.48 | timeless | i have the strings for all locals |
| 08:20.52 | mece | :D |
| 08:20.55 | timeless | so i can reverse |
| 08:20.57 | midas_ | ah ok timeless |
| 08:21.02 | timeless | i can't handle free translations |
| 08:21.11 | n900-dk_ | damn space.. or missing space :) |
| 08:21.20 | timeless | because you're going FI .. GB .. NL .. US |
| 08:21.27 | timeless | a bad game of telephone |
| 08:21.41 | timeless | anyway, it's basically a conflict |
| 08:21.43 | ruskie | hmm finally got the update... |
| 08:21.46 | MaikB | I got: rootfs 227.9M 198.6M 25.1M 89% / |
| 08:21.48 | ruskie | now to see if I can break the system or not |
| 08:21.49 | MaikB | is this ok? |
| 08:21.50 | hrw | looks like LR1.2 was nearly final. |
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| 08:21.57 | timeless | and the message is asking you to use a pc based flasher |
| 08:22.12 | mece | MaikB, too little for ota upgrade I'd guess. |
| 08:22.19 | MaikB | meh |
| 08:22.19 | mece | MaikB, if that's what you're asking |
| 08:22.27 | MaikB | mece, yes, thx |
| 08:22.31 | mece | MaikB, disable extras, testing and devel |
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| 08:22.39 | mece | gives you 20mb, could be enough |
| 08:23.04 | MaikB | mece, Stupid me, of course |
| 08:23.27 | pupnik | anyone else agree with GAN that 1.2 is buggy? |
| 08:23.38 | ruskie | define buggy |
| 08:23.56 | MaikB | here we go, OTA in germany |
| 08:23.57 | pupnik | like, we must be upset about it |
| 08:24.23 | mece | pupnik, no. But the stupid autocapitalization bug is annoying. |
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| 08:24.30 | lardman|home | morning |
| 08:24.31 | MaikB | but i disable devel and testing repos first |
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| 08:25.16 | mece | lardman|home, mornin |
| 08:25.33 | lardman|home | hi mece |
| 08:26.12 | pupnik | looks like in dosbox 3000 cycles are doable @ 600mhz without sound. 5k @ 900 |
| 08:26.21 | MaikB | mece, hm, symlinked the apt stuff to /home, so there is no space issue with to many active repos :) |
| 08:26.29 | MaikB | mece, and thus no gain |
| 08:26.37 | lardman|home | albanc, barisione: re lat/lon data for contacts, do you know if this is something that could be added - iirc I added a bug requesting this. It would be cool to get decent contacts/map integration, but that would probably need a decent maps app too of course ;) |
| 08:26.46 | MaikB | I just wipe the Qt stuff |
| 08:26.51 | MaikB | should be enough |
| 08:27.25 | Bluewind | how much free space on / is needed for pr 1.2? |
| 08:27.28 | ruskie | hmm I should look at redefining the rest of the apt files to a diff dir... cache I already set through the config |
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| 08:28.11 | pupnik | MaikB: i see no OTA here (de) |
| 08:28.28 | MaikB | pupnik, I got it 3 minutes ago |
| 08:28.54 | lbt | mrs lbt is upgrading.... I'm scared |
| 08:28.56 | MacDrunk | how do i know if i have ota here in mi country |
| 08:29.01 | pupnik | then maybe i dont install it. ty MaikB |
| 08:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | MaikB: [2010-05-26 10:01:21] <DocScrutinizer> maemo5 OTA in Germany |
| 08:29.56 | pupnik | i just ran apt-get update |
| 08:30.07 | n900-dk_ | and available in Denmark |
| 08:30.21 | Nitial | Bluewind: apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr says 42000 for required free space, so I guess 42 MB should be enough |
| 08:30.34 | Bluewind | k thx |
| 08:31.00 | lardman|home | interesting how we now have the opposite problem to before, some of the extras-devel apps explicitly want QT 4.5, at a 40Mb download |
| 08:31.15 | MaikB | keeps removing stuff .. |
| 08:31.33 | ruskie | Nitial, hmm mine states: Maemo-Required-Free-Space: 35840 |
| 08:31.52 | MaikB | ruskie, thx for this info! |
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| 08:32.10 | n900-dk_ | It is a little like Christmas, right :) |
| 08:32.20 | MaikB | n900-dk_, indeed! |
| 08:32.21 | MaikB | :) |
| 08:33.12 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, happy birthday you (insert word not suitable for channel) :P |
| 08:33.38 | crashanddie | thanks mate |
| 08:34.14 | n900-dk_ | Is all this just for crashanddie? |
| 08:34.35 | lardman|home | crashanddie: birthday?! |
| 08:34.43 | crashanddie | aye |
| 08:34.53 | lardman|home | ah, finally they'll let you into bars! ;) |
| 08:34.58 | lardman|home | happy birthday mate :) |
| 08:35.10 | lardman|home | mine is next week fwiw |
| 08:35.14 | MaikB | crashanddie, happy bday |
| 08:35.16 | lardman|home | I think |
| 08:35.19 | hrw | upgrade from LR1.2 â PR1.2 worked fine |
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| 08:36.01 | lbt | available: 41.1M |
| 08:36.04 | lbt | humph |
| 08:36.11 | crashanddie | lardman|home: I know yours is next week |
| 08:36.33 | ruskie | well apt-get dist-upgrade that 14MB will be freed up after installation |
| 08:36.38 | MaikB | Is someone using Catorise? |
| 08:36.47 | crashanddie | MaikB: aye |
| 08:36.48 | MaikB | and knows if it will work with 1.2 |
| 08:36.54 | crashanddie | yes |
| 08:36.58 | MaikB | crashanddie, thx! |
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| 08:37.07 | MaikB | awesome |
| 08:37.11 | crashanddie | it's a bit weird, because there's a bit of panning now |
| 08:37.17 | crashanddie | nothing troubling though |
| 08:37.54 | MaikB | crashanddie, are you involved in catorise? |
| 08:37.54 | lardman|home | hmm, so has this been fixed then?: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2962 |
| 08:37.55 | povbot` | Bug 2962: Not able to open Maps application with contacts location as a search string |
| 08:38.25 | lardman|home | says it has in the http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 page |
| 08:38.30 | lardman|home | but I can't see how |
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| 08:40.29 | Tuukka | Nice your able to change theme without the wallpapers getting change aswell in 1.2 =) |
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| 08:41.09 | thresh | you bastards |
| 08:41.15 | thresh | don't tease us OTA-impaired |
| 08:41.16 | MaikB | I changed the start video, I hope this doesn't cause issues with 1.2 |
| 08:42.37 | MaikB | well, if the upgrade just overwrites my changes its all fine |
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| 08:44.15 | lbt | so my wife reports "operation failed" .... no more clues |
| 08:44.20 | lardman|home | crashanddie: is your N900 on? Could you broadcast your location so I can see if it appears in the Maps app? |
| 08:44.38 | lardman|home | lbt: sounds like a standard female error report hey? ;) |
| 08:44.44 | lbt | :) |
| 08:44.51 | lbt | and her device has hung |
| 08:45.26 | lardman|home | oops, hope I didn't offend any females, just going by the standard of my wife's telling me what's wrong with a PC |
| 08:45.37 | lbt | I've found ctrl... where's alt+delete... |
| 08:45.59 | lardman|home | switch off a plug, seems easier :) |
| 08:46.14 | lbt | ah... it popped up "operation failed" |
| 08:46.27 | lardman|home | might have more info in the app manager log |
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| 08:46.29 | lbt | and then...at the bottom says "Updating Maemo 5" |
| 08:46.39 | Tuukka | Airport touch has a update lol :D |
| 08:46.45 | lbt | so it hasn't totally failed... |
| 08:47.07 | Corsac | lbt: I had the âoperation failedâ too, it seems that it's when the device is forced to offline mode |
| 08:47.24 | Corsac | lbt: then it goes to a locked UI where you can't do much thing |
| 08:47.27 | lbt | correct |
| 08:47.43 | Corsac | I have the Maemo 5 update on top, and a progress bar âUpdating Maemo 5" on bottom |
| 08:47.48 | Corsac | which progresses slowly |
| 08:47.49 | lbt | and then the screen goes off and you're wondering wtf is happening |
| 08:48.11 | Corsac | lbt: just open the keyboard or unlock with the right button? |
| 08:48.13 | lbt | and don't want to hit "cancel" when you touch the screen to wake it up |
| 08:48.34 | Corsac | (I plugged it so the screen doesn't shut down) |
| 08:48.45 | lbt | it is plugged in... |
| 08:48.59 | lbt | I guess she didn't have that setting |
| 08:49.19 | Corsac | yeah, it might not be a default |
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| 08:49.35 | Corsac | anyway, just pull the little right button won't mess with the cancel stuff |
| 08:49.44 | Corsac | well, it's called âstopâ here and is greyed out anyway |
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| 08:50.19 | lardman|home | GAN900: you about at this time of the morning? |
| 08:50.27 | lbt | *nod* .... fair comment |
| 08:51.54 | lardman|home | hmm, is Ovi Store working yet? I'm being told to upgrade my PR1.2 N900 to make it work by the placeholder webpage |
| 08:52.09 | MohammadAG | 27th of may i think |
| 08:52.19 | lardman|home | ok thanks |
| 08:52.22 | Surfa | anyone faced the situation where pr1.2 ota installation forces you to use nsu? |
| 08:53.34 | MohammadAG | many users afaik |
| 08:53.39 | midas_ | yes, if you used devel or not enough space :p |
| 08:53.50 | Surfa | haven't used devel |
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| 08:54.04 | Surfa | wonder how much is enough space |
| 08:54.21 | midas_ | i think <80 or 70% on rootfs |
| 08:54.32 | Milo- | 640 kilobytes should be enough for everyone |
| 08:54.44 | bleeter | more than enough |
| 08:54.47 | MaikB | Surfa, ruskie> Nitial, hmm mine states: Maemo-Required-Free-Space: 35840 |
| 08:54.52 | Surfa | hmm.. 54MiB free |
| 08:55.05 | Surfa | on rootfs |
| 08:55.06 | lardman|home | mmm, I see "Maemo 6 Tech Preview" as a classification in the bugtracker |
| 08:55.07 | bleeter | 2.1TB plenty |
| 08:55.14 | Milo- | this update requires windows? |
| 08:55.30 | thunderfest | no |
| 08:55.33 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, what about it |
| 08:55.52 | lbt | I had 42.5Mb free and it seems to have started |
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| 08:56.01 | defragger | hi |
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| 08:56.32 | Scelt | Surfa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 08:56.37 | defragger | is it possible to find out my maemo version on n900? |
| 08:56.58 | Stskeeps | in about product |
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| 08:57.32 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: well I was wondering whether we'd ever see anything of it basically ;) |
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| 08:57.51 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, it's already in devel |
| 08:57.52 | Scelt | Surfa: I removed tuxrace and I'm able to OTA now |
| 08:57.54 | ZogG_N900 | RST38h, hey. fixed play button just deleted record widget but left conversation - works |
| 08:58.07 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: really? Oh right |
| 08:58.25 | ZogG_N900 | what in devel i wanna test |
| 08:58.37 | ZogG_N900 | it's in my blood ) |
| 08:58.55 | ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, don't u have exam today? |
| 08:58.59 | Surfa | Scelt, let me try that one too.. |
| 08:59.07 | Scelt | I accidentally first started the update with apt-get full-upgrade as I'm used to since App. manager is so slow to use. hopefully it haven't screwed up anything, OTA is going in now |
| 08:59.07 | Surfa | Scelt, i actually have tux racer installed also |
| 08:59.23 | MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, not that i recall :) |
| 08:59.39 | Milo- | "This maemo update requires the nokia software update application on your pc for installation." |
| 08:59.43 | Scelt | Surfa: that's a reason at least |
| 08:59.46 | ZogG_N900 | today is nokia thing right? |
| 08:59.47 | Milo- | so it requires windows? ._· |
| 09:00.04 | thunderfest | yeah there are some open gles 1.1 problems with pr1.2 ....so things that depend on it will not reinstall currently (tuxrace, brainpart , nehetutorials, ect) |
| 09:00.10 | defragger | do i have to install the new firmware with another pc, or is it possible to update to maemo 5 1.2 with apt? |
| 09:00.17 | Corsac | use HAM |
| 09:00.17 | ZogG_N900 | Milo-, just reflash it |
| 09:00.35 | ZogG_N900 | Milo-, but backup first |
| 09:01.09 | Milo- | ZogG_N900 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 with this? |
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| 09:01.52 | Surfa | Scelt, no luck.. |
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| 09:01.58 | sivang | so , is 1.2 released already? |
| 09:02.03 | MohammadAG | yesterday |
| 09:02.18 | MohammadAG | Surfa, uninstall all games and ioquake3 |
| 09:02.19 | n900-dk_ | hmm, where is the smileys on the new virtual keyboard.. |
| 09:02.40 | hrw | ah.. I have to remove smileys again |
| 09:02.41 | defragger | what version is 3.2010.02-8? |
| 09:02.46 | Scelt | Surfa: how much space on rootfs? check out the list of the apps on that post |
| 09:02.52 | Scelt | Surfa: there's more than tuxrace |
| 09:03.01 | Surfa | Scelt, proceeding on that :) |
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| 09:04.21 | thresh | oh yea |
| 09:04.31 | thresh | ota in .ru |
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| 09:05.30 | summel | i thought 1.2 was an ota update? |
| 09:05.48 | Scelt | it is |
| 09:05.53 | hrw | summel: I did over ota |
| 09:06.01 | Scelt | I'm doing over ota |
| 09:06.12 | Scelt | over over the air |
| 09:06.12 | hrw | defragger: 1.1.1 |
| 09:06.16 | summel | No the update program tells me to use a pc usb thingy |
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| 09:06.24 | Scelt | summel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 09:06.26 | MaikB | I wonder whats so special about OTA? Its just an updated deb repo, right? |
| 09:06.29 | summel | but i dont have a pc |
| 09:06.34 | thresh | MaikB: kinda |
| 09:06.40 | thunderfest | you guys now updating to pr 1.2 if your interested, I did a write up about the current problems around opengles support in pr1.2 (including current workarounds) ...http://jacobpennock.com/blog/?p=42 |
| 09:07.21 | hrw | MaikB: ota saves time due to not need for reflashing |
| 09:08.09 | MaikB | hrw, My impression is, that OTA is something special for non linux distro based Hansets |
| 09:08.22 | MaikB | I never owned an smartphone before the N900 |
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| 09:08.35 | MaikB | So I'm a bit confused by the term OTA :P |
| 09:08.52 | Wolfie | "Over The Air" |
| 09:08.57 | MaikB | its a glorified apt-get upgrade |
| 09:09.02 | MaikB | Wolfie, I know |
| 09:09.15 | Surfa | Scelt, brain party removal helped |
| 09:09.21 | Surfa | Scelt, thanks a lot |
| 09:09.27 | Scelt | Surfa: np :) |
| 09:09.41 | Wolfie | MaikB: i guess it's a nokia term for tech that has been around before wifi and linux was common in smartphones |
| 09:09.48 | n900-dk_ | Is the conversation widget gone? |
| 09:10.00 | Wolfie | i remember it being discussed as something new and supported only by one phone in the UK back in... um... 2004, i think |
| 09:10.33 | MohammadAG | ugh i want to set all messages as read |
| 09:10.38 | summel | Omg |
| 09:10.40 | MohammadAG | why can't that be so easy |
| 09:10.47 | Wolfie | and it was a S60 phone, iirc. So thus you couldn't just call it "apt get" |
| 09:10.59 | Milo- | MohammadAG I agree |
| 09:11.01 | summel | I have 46GB... that should be more then enough space |
| 09:11.06 | crashanddie | lardman|home: location switches off automatically, don't know why |
| 09:11.07 | summel | Garrrrrr |
| 09:11.07 | MaikB | Wolfie, I guess are are right |
| 09:11.09 | Milo- | I can't use the email client since I have 2000 ' |
| 09:11.13 | Milo- | 2000 emails there |
| 09:11.16 | summel | 64 |
| 09:11.17 | Milo- | and they are all 'unread' |
| 09:11.40 | crashanddie | lardman|home: when I select anything else than "do not show", and hit save, the GPS icon flashes once and then disappears, location reverts to "do not show" |
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| 09:12.08 | summel | And now it relly hurts that i cant uninstall multiple applications at once |
| 09:12.43 | Wolfie | hm, my theme, or parts of it, seems to be updated |
| 09:12.53 | Wolfie | i previously had orange icons, now they're blue |
| 09:12.55 | Shapeshifter | ehm. |
| 09:12.58 | Scelt | summel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 09:13.08 | Wolfie | updated, or reverted. |
| 09:13.08 | Shapeshifter | "Internal error. applicaiton 'Conversations' closed" |
| 09:13.10 | Shapeshifter | awesome |
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| 09:13.27 | hrw | Wolfie: check /usr/share/themes/default symlink |
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| 09:14.01 | Wolfie | hrw: it's linked to "alpha" |
| 09:14.04 | summel | Scellt: could you summarize that in a sentence? opening links from irc on the n900 is a bit painfull atm :D |
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| 09:14.16 | Arkenoi | Err https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ libqt4-xmlpatterns 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 |
| 09:14.16 | Arkenoi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.16 | Arkenoi | Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/003/./libqt4-xmlpatterns_4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5_armel.deb The requested URL returned error: 404 |
| 09:14.16 | Arkenoi | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 09:14.17 | hrw | Wolfie: link to beta and restart |
| 09:14.18 | Arkenoi | wtf? |
| 09:14.19 | MaikB | meh, the program manager dialog tells me to flash the device |
| 09:14.39 | Shapeshifter | MaikB: not enough space on / |
| 09:14.39 | MaikB | I guess there are conflicts caused by installed software |
| 09:14.54 | Wolfie | hrw: thanks |
| 09:15.16 | MaikB | Shapeshifter, hmmmm I guess the program manager doesn't know that I symlinked the apt cache to /home |
| 09:15.17 | MaikB | :P |
| 09:15.26 | lardman|home | crashanddie: odd, I'm broadcasting my location now |
| 09:15.36 | MaikB | rootfs 227.9M 182.4M 41.3M 82% / |
| 09:15.39 | MohammadAG | MaikB, it uses MyDocs anyways |
| 09:15.44 | Scelt | summel: there is a list of packages that are blocking OTA installation, including tuxrace and brain party etc. |
| 09:15.47 | MaikB | not enough? |
| 09:15.59 | Shapeshifter | MaikB: I think the last one needed 45 |
| 09:16.02 | hrw | hmm.. after update I have only 75MB free on / :( |
| 09:16.39 | Arkenoi | what should i do? |
| 09:16.58 | MaikB | Shapeshifter, apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't complain... however, how to get more details on why the OTA doesn't? (i.e. a log file) |
| 09:17.02 | hrw | Arkenoi: apt-get update? |
| 09:17.08 | thresh | Arkenoi: why would you want to install 4.5.3 anyway |
| 09:17.32 | goody | hello guys, is global release of 1.2 out now? |
| 09:17.37 | thresh | yes |
| 09:18.08 | MaikB | softupd.log |
| 09:18.08 | MaikB | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.11 | summel | Scelt: omg thats even more fail |
| 09:18.13 | Arkenoi | hrw: does not help |
| 09:18.21 | Arkenoi | thresh: i just do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:18.39 | thresh | Arkenoi: remove google latitude? |
| 09:18.48 | thresh | or whatever wants that package |
| 09:19.00 | Scelt | booting |
| 09:19.19 | Scelt | not yet |
| 09:19.40 | Scelt | hrw: how long did it stay in black screen after progress bar went to 100 %? |
| 09:19.47 | RST38h | Could somebody please tell me the maemo5 package name? |
| 09:20.04 | Corsac | after progress bar goes to 100%, the device just says it'll reboot, and reboots |
| 09:20.19 | Scelt | mine stays in application manager |
| 09:20.20 | Corsac | Scelt: check the screen didn't just blank because of power management |
| 09:20.20 | hrw | Scelt: I did not used hildon-application-manager for update |
| 09:20.36 | Stskeeps | sigh.. |
| 09:20.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:20.38 | RST38h | hrw: What is the name of the pr1.2 umbrella package? (also cannot use HAM) |
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| 09:20.39 | hrw | RST38h: mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 09:20.39 | Scelt | Corsac: title still displayed |
| 09:20.44 | Scelt | hrw: okay |
| 09:20.44 | RST38h | hrw: thanks =) |
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| 09:21.46 | RST38h | Says I do not have enough space |
| 09:21.47 | MaikB | doesn't find a log file on what blocks OTA and keeps uninstalling stuff |
| 09:21.54 | RST38h | And HAM cannot update it too |
| 09:22.05 | hrw | RST38h: Maemo-Required-Free-Space: 35840 |
| 09:22.11 | Corsac | MaikB: already disabled extra and extra-devel repositories? |
| 09:22.17 | Corsac | or is it not needed now? |
| 09:22.22 | RST38h | got 57 |
| 09:22.30 | hrw | RST38h: use apt-get? |
| 09:22.36 | Corsac | (I didn't really check disk space before upgrading, just disabled repositories, and it worked just fine) |
| 09:23.00 | Corsac | (hurgh, the reindexing after final reboot takes quite some time) |
| 09:23.07 | Surfa | MaikB, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=677105&postcount=12 |
| 09:23.09 | Arkenoi | Package libqt4-xmlpatterns is not installed, so not removed |
| 09:23.12 | Surfa | that list is worth checking |
| 09:23.13 | ruskie | hmm fun... managed to get into an endless loop cycle |
| 09:23.16 | MaikB | Corsac, I did. I don't like guessing, I want to see the reasons why it want me to use the flasher |
| 09:23.18 | Scelt | Corsac: does not respond to any inputs. only power managements blanks the screen after while |
| 09:23.21 | MaikB | in a log file on the device |
| 09:23.33 | ruskie | I love how crappy the whole system is wrt to upgrades using normal tools to do so |
| 09:23.39 | Surfa | MaikB, removing brainparty and tux racer worked for me |
| 09:23.55 | MaikB | summel, thx, I had gltron installed |
| 09:23.58 | MaikB | trying again.. |
| 09:24.06 | MaikB | but still, I don't like guessign |
| 09:24.12 | hrw | brainparty is in extras-1.2 so you will be able to install it after update |
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| 09:24.28 | MaikB | there must be an log file somewhere |
| 09:24.36 | ruskie | well atleast the rescue console still works |
| 09:25.11 | MaikB | meh |
| 09:25.15 | MaikB | no luck |
| 09:26.49 | thresh | fffuuu |
| 09:27.10 | MaikB | hm, I installed opengles manually... |
| 09:27.19 | Surfa | MaikB, are you sure that you don't have any other on the list? |
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| 09:27.48 | summel | ok i uninstalled all games and everything that could probably need opengl but i still cant update -_- |
| 09:27.50 | MaikB | Surfa, yes, but this not the issue I have. I will find the reason eventually |
| 09:27.52 | goody | is there any particular reason why the hildon manager shows no updates? is there another way to 1.2? |
| 09:28.05 | Scelt | I shutdown from power key. Seems to continue the update process just like last time. Nokia screen and little green progress bar |
| 09:28.06 | thresh | ran out of space in the middle of apt-get |
| 09:28.07 | MaikB | Surfa, what bugs me is not knowing where to look at ( log file ) |
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| 09:29.14 | djkrikke | Hi Guys, what can be the reason the OTA update asks to connect to the pc? |
| 09:29.29 | Scelt | djkrikke: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 09:29.48 | djkrikke | ok, couldn't find it that easy, thanks Scelt |
| 09:29.55 | Scelt | np |
| 09:29.56 | goody | how about when OTA shows no updates at all? |
| 09:30.06 | Corsac | just wait |
| 09:30.23 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.29 | hrw | can someone with @? |
| 09:30.31 | RST38h | hrw: Apt-get complains there is not enough space in archives/ |
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| 09:30.44 | hrw | RST38h: symlink it to /opt/? |
| 09:31.10 | defragger | is it save to make a firmware upgrade? |
| 09:31.57 | furunk3l | defragger, worked for me like a charm. |
| 09:31.59 | thresh | is it safe to symlink /var/lib/dpkg to /opt ? |
| 09:31.59 | Arkenoi | thresh: i did remove latitude, did not help |
| 09:32.09 | MaikB | There is no way I will do a PC firmware update |
| 09:32.12 | MaikB | its stupid |
| 09:32.19 | defragger | is there a good howto? |
| 09:32.36 | MaikB | I want to know where to look for the reason why it fails |
| 09:32.40 | MaikB | damn.. |
| 09:32.41 | thresh | Arkenoi: apt-cache depends / rdepends to find out the cause |
| 09:32.44 | MohammadAG | thresh, yes |
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| 09:33.04 | RST38h | hrw: Is it safe? |
| 09:33.28 | defragger | furunk3l: is there a howto you worked woth to upgrade? |
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| 09:33.42 | furunk3l | defragger, i just use the "over the Air" upgrade |
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| 09:34.07 | defragger | furunk3l: and how can i do that? |
| 09:34.24 | Arkenoi | thresh: does not look like i hae any installed |
| 09:34.33 | furunk3l | defragger, just connect to a wifi and after some time you will see a small yellow icon in the upper status bar. |
| 09:34.45 | hrw | RST38h: I have many dirs moved from / |
| 09:34.48 | furunk3l | defragger, click on the statusbar and then on the yellow icon |
| 09:35.01 | hrw | RST38h: /var/cache/apt /var/lib/apt are safest |
| 09:35.05 | furunk3l | defragger, this will start the upgrade. be sure to have your battery fully loaded. |
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| 09:35.38 | Wolfie | if the yellow icon hasn't appeared, go to app manager and press update |
| 09:35.41 | Wolfie | it'll show up there |
| 09:35.53 | defragger | furunk3l: i see, i will try that now, thanks :) |
| 09:36.03 | furunk3l | defragger, you are welcome. |
| 09:36.14 | hrw | RST38h: but I have /usr/share/{fonts,locale,hildon-welcome,icons,maemoblocks,osso-lmarbles,pixmaps,sounds,themes} moved to /opt |
| 09:36.39 | hrw | RST38h: and this way I have 77.5MB free on / |
| 09:38.22 | Arkenoi | thresh: no luck. what should i do next? |
| 09:38.37 | Mobsan | how do I make a google talk (video) call? can't see any options for this in my contact list... |
| 09:39.17 | lardman|home | heads for work |
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| 09:41.30 | MohammadAG | any ideas when the opengl libraries will be put back |
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| 09:42.29 | goody | is anyone getting no updates? |
| 09:42.33 | Arkenoi | funny, if i disable extra repositiories dist-upgrade says there is nothing to upgrade |
| 09:42.38 | ruskie | goody, it takes a while to propagate around |
| 09:42.54 | goody | thank you ruskie |
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| 09:43.55 | stranger__ | any clear idea of the future of maemo after Nokia's last announcement? |
| 09:44.01 | vanadismobile | hai |
| 09:44.19 | vanadismobile | will pr1.2 install itself by wifi? |
| 09:44.29 | Stskeeps | stranger__: it would wonder me a lot if pr1.2 is last SSU. |
| 09:44.57 | stranger__ | Stskeeps, it looks like it |
| 09:45.02 | Stskeeps | looks like last SSU? |
| 09:45.10 | frals | bah, i dont want to update my other device, 23days of uptime :( |
| 09:45.57 | MohammadAG | halts frals' device |
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| 09:46.24 | stranger__ | it seems there will be almost no Nokia involvement in N900 after the final release of meego |
| 09:46.44 | Stskeeps | erm. |
| 09:46.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:46.54 | Stskeeps | that's wrong on a lot of levels :) |
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| 09:47.44 | Stskeeps | first off, there has been talk in bug reports of a fremantle PE1, which means this isn't the last update we'll see. |
| 09:48.19 | MaikB | I just issued `apt-get move libqt4-opengl' which causes a ton of upgrades |
| 09:48.35 | djdm | Stskeeps: Mind if I jump in and ask what PE stands for? |
| 09:48.41 | Stskeeps | djdm: honestly, i don't know |
| 09:48.46 | MaikB | I'll see how it works out |
| 09:49.01 | Stskeeps | second, there is a team working on hardware adaptation for MeeGo on N900 (meego the rpm system), with a bunch of nokians too. N900 is ARM reference device and it has to be kept in good shape |
| 09:49.04 | stranger__ | maybe just a driver update here or there, but that is it |
| 09:49.22 | Robot101 | djdm: we've worked on some PE releases in the past, and we have no idea either :P |
| 09:49.24 | MaikB | I hate try and error |
| 09:49.24 | Stskeeps | third, nokia care still answers your phonecalls :P |
| 09:49.35 | djdm | Stskeeps: Fair enough - cheers :) |
| 09:49.40 | Robot101 | Post-release Engineering? Product Enhancement? |
| 09:49.43 | MaikB | especially if its not needed, I'm sure of it |
| 09:49.53 | Stskeeps | Robot101: Programmers Escaping? |
| 09:49.55 | djdm | Pink Elephant? |
| 09:49.57 | stranger__ | and soon, 'most' of the developers will move to meego, |
| 09:50.16 | Robot101 | stranger__: most of the developers are working on maemo 6 atm, not meego, so, this is manifestly untrue. |
| 09:50.17 | MaikB | stranger__, meego is just another distro |
| 09:50.21 | defragger | furunk3l: how long does it take, to get this update info? |
| 09:50.21 | djdm | will assume it's Pink Elephant, actually - I like that ;) |
| 09:50.27 | Robot101 | djdm: me too :) |
| 09:50.29 | Stskeeps | stranger__: situation isn't perfect, but there's -plenty- of life in my n900 yet |
| 09:50.29 | MaikB | whats the matter? |
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| 09:51.29 | Stskeeps | stranger__: but to say nokia is dropping n900 on the floor and not caring about it at all, is a far stretch from the truth :) |
| 09:51.31 | biertie | is it possible to update to pr 1.2 without flashing the system? :s |
| 09:51.32 | stranger__ | Stskeeps, now... but I am talking about after the release of meego. |
| 09:51.43 | Stskeeps | stranger__: meego 1.0's out this month. next one is october |
| 09:51.58 | Stskeeps | also, if you actually mean harmattan, please denote it meego-harmattan |
| 09:51.59 | Arkenoi | thresh: any further ideas what can i do to get the update? and why i do not see anything to upgrade if i remove extra repositiries? |
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| 09:52.10 | furunk3l | defragger, some time. check this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9tJHmgnrE this shold help you get the upgrade. |
| 09:52.13 | stranger__ | Stskeeps, well, actually I meant after the first Nokia mobile based on meego |
| 09:52.14 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: srsly...? :P |
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| 09:52.36 | Stskeeps | Robot101: srsly what? :P |
| 09:52.43 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: meego-harmattan :P |
| 09:53.01 | Lazy^ | Hello, since now nokia release 2.1 patch for N900. How i can choose videocall. Do i need to use some client or ? |
| 09:53.29 | Robot101 | Lazy^: press the video call button in the address book, it will show for Google Talk and Skype contacts who have video support |
| 09:53.34 | noobmonk3y | 2.1 lol |
| 09:53.43 | Stskeeps | Robot101: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=677849#post677849 |
| 09:53.47 | Tuukka | Is carbon theme working as it should with pr1.2? |
| 09:53.49 | noobmonk3y | Lazy^: videocall on PR1.2 is available for skype/google etc |
| 09:54.05 | noobmonk3y | i think it is under the contact options.... (Just checking) |
| 09:54.07 | furunk3l | defragger, you can also check the application manager. and update manually by clicking on "Update" after you started the application manager. |
| 09:54.25 | pupnik | i suspect apt-get upgrade maymbe dangerous |
| 09:54.26 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: is this not a violation of the meego trademark policy? :P |
| 09:54.35 | phellarv | Hrmf - No search in HAM after flashing to PR1.2. |
| 09:54.43 | noobmonk3y | yeah tis under contact options :P |
| 09:54.44 | Lazy^ | noobmonk3y: so i need to use skype/google... |
| 09:54.50 | noobmonk3y | phellarv: yes there is |
| 09:54.57 | X-Fade | phellarv: just start typing. |
| 09:55.00 | sECuRE | Lazy^: you can also do SIP video calls |
| 09:55.00 | Stskeeps | Robot101: i think calling harmattan meego is bad enough :P |
| 09:55.03 | noobmonk3y | yup - there is no video calling for the normal phone function |
| 09:55.11 | phellarv | X-Fade: Aha - Thanks. |
| 09:55.22 | defragger | yayyy got it, thank you very much furunk3l :) |
| 09:55.28 | Stskeeps | stranger__: there's multiple threads of development happening. one of the community backport of harmattan, another is 'real' meego on n900, and then there's the updates to fremantle |
| 09:55.28 | furunk3l | np, yw. |
| 09:55.41 | Stskeeps | stranger__: on top of that, synchronised APIs in form of Qt, so you won't miss out on apps |
| 09:55.43 | Lazy^ | But there is no videocalls on normal phone funtion... |
| 09:55.46 | phellarv | is oldschool - I like clear instructions, and less dark magic. |
| 09:55.54 | Stskeeps | stranger__: the situation could be a hell lot worse. |
| 09:55.58 | noobmonk3y | phellarv: :D :D i agree |
| 09:56.31 | sECuRE | Lazy^: if you have configured a SIP account, there is (for SIP calls) |
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| 09:56.35 | portraitm | hello |
| 09:56.38 | X-Fade | phellarv: Oh, then you need to try start typing at more places :) |
| 09:56.43 | phellarv | noobmonk3y: That's why I mostly use apt-* |
| 09:56.43 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 09:56.45 | X-Fade | phellarv: For instance on the desktop itself. |
| 09:56.48 | noobmonk3y | grumbles |
| 09:57.04 | portraitm | guys, i've flashed my n900 to the newest firmware, but i can not get portrait mode working now, any clues way ? |
| 09:57.10 | portraitm | p.s it's UK version |
| 09:57.12 | Lazy^ | sECuRE: erm (stupid question) where i can get SIP account |
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| 09:57.15 | hrw | PR 1.2 lacks one thing which was in PR1.2 SDK packages |
| 09:57.17 | noobmonk3y | X-Fade: stop being so gosh darn clever - you are making the rest of us look bad! |
| 09:57.23 | noobmonk3y | hrw: ? |
| 09:57.24 | hrw | status area is not available in portrait |
| 09:57.25 | sECuRE | Lazy^: sipgate.de for example |
| 09:57.27 | Corsac | not exactly sure which apps got a portrait mode |
| 09:57.29 | stranger__ | Stskeeps, maybe for an owner of N900, but what about those who plan to buy one soon? most will just think it is better to wait and the meego based one, |
| 09:57.30 | phellarv | X-Fade: If I start typing at more place, I probably would be charged for doing grafitti. |
| 09:57.47 | hrw | Corsac: run app, press shift-control-r and rotate device with keyboard closed |
| 09:57.56 | noobmonk3y | stranger__: but you dont know if meego is better or worse so to speak yet? lol |
| 09:58.02 | Stskeeps | stranger__: even my n800 is still useful. |
| 09:58.03 | sECuRE | Lazy^: but your video call partner would need to use SIP too, i think |
| 09:58.13 | noobmonk3y | lols - healthcheck in portrait mode is rather hysterical |
| 09:58.17 | Stskeeps | stranger__: everyone always wants the next thing, not knowing wtf it's about |
| 09:58.17 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:58.25 | Lazy^ | ahh kk =) |
| 09:58.29 | Lazy^ | maybe skype then... |
| 09:58.39 | Corsac | hrw: I was asking about which ones |
| 09:58.43 | Corsac | (since it seems not all of them do) |
| 09:58.47 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: exactly |
| 09:58.51 | hrw | Corsac: with this trick any will rotate |
| 09:58.59 | hrw | Corsac: some will just do not look good |
| 09:59.03 | lcuk | Stskeeps, hold on "community backport of harmattan" ?? !! how can community backport whats not even out! |
| 09:59.24 | Stskeeps | lcuk: beats me, but we started talking about it |
| 09:59.35 | lcuk | where? |
| 09:59.38 | Corsac | hrw: hmmh ok it has to be done for each and every app |
| 09:59.45 | Corsac | well, each and every one you want |
| 09:59.59 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: i want windows 2012 with added bacon and i want it yesterday - i also want it to be open source lol |
| 09:59.59 | hrw | Corsac: yep - this is debug option which did not got removed |
| 10:00.03 | tybollt_ | lcuk: O_o |
| 10:00.08 | tybollt_ | lcuk: where? |
| 10:00.28 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: this harmattan package that was/is in dev extras (right?) what's its name? |
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| 10:00.34 | hrw | portraitm: basically nearly no apps with real portrait mode |
| 10:00.48 | noobmonk3y | hrw: thats cos some of us couldnt test it until yesterday |
| 10:00.52 | lcuk | rotates hrw |
| 10:00.53 | portraitm | guys, i've flashed my n900 to the newest firmware, but i can not get portrait mode working now in the browser, any clues ? |
| 10:00.55 | noobmonk3y | is figuring out how to do it this week |
| 10:01.01 | portraitm | yeah, but with 1,1 it was working with the browser |
| 10:01.04 | portraitm | but now it does not |
| 10:01.14 | hrw | portraitm: go to settngs of browser? |
| 10:01.16 | noobmonk3y | portraitm: there is an option in options |
| 10:01.20 | noobmonk3y | or settings lol |
| 10:01.45 | hrw | noobmonk3y: any Qt based can be autorotating by one line in code. no idea of gtk |
| 10:02.02 | tybollt_ | well |
| 10:02.02 | portraitm | oh, and i had to enalbe rotation, yeah ? |
| 10:02.05 | portraitm | silly me.. |
| 10:02.06 | noobmonk3y | hrw - got healthcheck installed? |
| 10:02.19 | tybollt_ | qt based apps in repositories are ... surprisingly bad |
| 10:02.34 | tybollt_ | if entire meego will be that quality I fret, big time |
| 10:02.37 | hrw | noobmonk3y: no |
| 10:02.38 | noobmonk3y | slaps tybollt_ with a horde of sloppy wet trouts |
| 10:02.38 | cehteh | wargs .. it doesnt update automatically |
| 10:02.44 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: will it? |
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| 10:03.07 | tybollt_ | blocks noobmonkey slap w/ MohammadAG |
| 10:03.11 | tybollt_ | :) |
| 10:03.12 | Corsac | hmhm, weren't the bug about SMS to land lines supposed to be fixed in pr1.2? |
| 10:03.20 | hrw | noobmonk3y: instaling |
| 10:03.25 | djdm | Corsac: There's an option in the Settings |
| 10:03.28 | hrw | Corsac: it is in settings |
| 10:03.32 | Arkenoi | actually there *are* landlines that do support SMS |
| 10:03.34 | tybollt_ | Corsac: it is |
| 10:03.34 | lcuk | Corsac, ? what bug against landlines? |
| 10:03.36 | bigon | mmm my n900 is stuck in reboot loop :'( |
| 10:03.45 | tybollt_ | Corsac: there's an option to only text mobiles |
| 10:03.48 | portraitm | hrw is it possible to open a virtual keyboard on screen when writing a sms in this firmware ? |
| 10:03.50 | noobmonk3y | hrw - the code has been in it for a while - but it has not had any thought put into it on my behalf |
| 10:03.52 | lcuk | BT are cool, if you SMS home phone, they call you and robot speak your message |
| 10:03.54 | noobmonk3y | you literally get half the app :P |
| 10:03.56 | hrw | portraitm: no idea |
| 10:03.57 | Corsac | thanks people :) |
| 10:04.05 | tybollt_ | Corsac: but technically texting landlines is possib le (I have this service) so it is not off by default |
| 10:04.13 | noobmonk3y | 's landline supports sms |
| 10:04.17 | tybollt_ | so it's not a bug, it's a feature added for 1.2 |
| 10:04.18 | cehteh | i used that too |
| 10:04.35 | tybollt_ | noobmonk3y: I have it on my home phone =) |
| 10:04.50 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 10:04.52 | satmd | fails |
| 10:05.00 | satmd | I installed 1.1 yesterday |
| 10:05.05 | tybollt_ | FAIL |
| 10:05.05 | cehteh | wtf .. cant install 1.2 with the application manager |
| 10:05.09 | hrw | noobmonk3y: you wrote healthcheck? |
| 10:05.10 | noobmonk3y | satmd: you retro mo fo! |
| 10:05.14 | lcuk | SMS to house phone isnt something that the mobile can do anything about? |
| 10:05.15 | noobmonk3y | hrw: supposedly |
| 10:05.23 | hrw | noobmonk3y: it is UGLY |
| 10:05.26 | noobmonk3y | from scratch lol |
| 10:05.37 | noobmonk3y | hrw my first ever foray into linux, python, maemo and qt |
| 10:05.43 | lcuk | Stskeeps, come on, dont go quiet :p |
| 10:05.48 | cehteh | kicks nokia |
| 10:05.50 | satmd | noobmonk3y: the firmware on n900 site at nokia said pr1.2, but it was not 1.2 -- or I took the wrong local file but I doubt the latter option |
| 10:05.55 | hrw | noobmonk3y: so learn about making normal buttons and using dialogs? |
| 10:05.55 | tybollt_ | lcuk: what do you mean? |
| 10:06.00 | *** join/#maemo anonuk (~anonuk@195-241-30-252.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 10:06.02 | MaikB | I give up and do the flashing |
| 10:06.02 | noobmonk3y | satmd: i think you took the wrong file :P |
| 10:06.05 | MaikB | what a PITA |
| 10:06.09 | Stskeeps | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678699 |
| 10:06.31 | tybollt_ | lcuk: there's an option (added in 1.2) to block texting option to landlines - that's it. I am pointing out this is a _feature_ and that texting landlines is perfectly possible |
| 10:06.33 | Robot101 | bigon: there used to be a bug with reboot loops which you could fix by putting it into R&D mode with flasher, and then booting it, and then rebooting it into the flasher to turn R&D mode off |
| 10:06.33 | MaikB | is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the right image? |
| 10:06.34 | RST38h | hrw: How do I determine why Maemo5 update does not install without actually downloading the files? |
| 10:07.02 | anonuk | need some major help ppl. upgraded the n900 and it rebooted during the upgrade and now is stuck in a reboot loop. No usb port for flashing, i have a bootmenu i installed so i should be able to boot mer from sd but it freezes on TSLIB calibration utility |
| 10:07.04 | anonuk | and ideas? |
| 10:07.22 | portraitm | guys anyone knows is it now possible to get the virtual keyboard when sending sms ? |
| 10:07.37 | Stskeeps | In some countries in West Africa, the heavy amount of dust in the air can severely limit visibility and block the sun for several days,[2] comparable to a heavy fog. The effect caused by the dust and sand stirred by these winds is known as the Harmattan haze, and costs airlines millions of dollars in cancelled and diverted flights each year.[citation needed] The interaction of the Harmattan with monsoon winds can cause tornadoes. |
| 10:07.43 | Stskeeps | brilliant name for a os ;) |
| 10:07.51 | noobmonk3y | hrw: what version of healthcheck you loading btw? |
| 10:08.08 | hrw | noobmonk3y: 1.2.0-1 |
| 10:08.11 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: you mean it's just a load of hot air? :) |
| 10:08.22 | noobmonk3y | ahhh ok - i thought that was the better looking version :P |
| 10:08.26 | pillar_ | argh, same thing againa - the OTA update complains that the update has to be done through USB .. last time it was Quake causing it - wonder what it is now |
| 10:08.31 | Stskeeps | Robot101: it was more along the lines of 'costing airlines millions of dollars' and 'causing tornadoes' |
| 10:08.31 | tybollt_ | Robot101: being the head honcho of that project - I believe that is EXACTLY what he means :D |
| 10:08.34 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 10:08.39 | MohammadAG | Robot101, hot air might be vaporware |
| 10:08.41 | n900-dk_ | portraitm: double tap on the white textspace to get virtual keyb. |
| 10:09.02 | tybollt_ | MohammadAG: .'might be','is', |
| 10:09.19 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, not always :P |
| 10:10.03 | bigon | Robot101: thx |
| 10:10.06 | djdm | Quick Q to anyone who may know: The apps in App Manager now seem to be sorted in a random (and not consistent - it keeps changing) order - any way to fix that? |
| 10:10.32 | lardman | re |
| 10:10.45 | MohammadAG | djdm, maybe you changed the arrangement? |
| 10:10.47 | MohammadAG | by size |
| 10:11.07 | Arkenoi | is dist-upgrade really safe alternative to app manager update? |
| 10:11.21 | anonuk | arkenoi: i did that just now and now stuck in reboot loop |
| 10:11.25 | thresh | +1 |
| 10:11.28 | anonuk | arkenoi: so id say no |
| 10:11.34 | thresh | though I had no space on / |
| 10:11.36 | djdm | MohammadAG: How do you change it under PR1.2? |
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| 10:11.52 | MohammadAG | wasn't it under the title menu? |
| 10:11.59 | djdm | It doesn't seem to be now |
| 10:12.00 | MohammadAG | unless they f'd up and removed it |
| 10:12.11 | MohammadAG | One step forward two steps back |
| 10:12.51 | djdm | They're now in reverse alphabetical order, until you install something, in which case they seem to be random-ish |
| 10:12.51 | hrw | noobmonk3y: code is awful |
| 10:12.51 | anonuk | can anyone share their /lib/firmware files with me? im trying to boot mer and have no access to the n900 rootfs anymore as the 1.2 upgrade messed up and its stuck in a reboot loop |
| 10:12.51 | MohammadAG | hrw, improve it :) |
| 10:13.02 | MohammadAG | anonuk, it's against ToS afaik |
| 10:13.10 | hrw | MohammadAG: you mean "rewrite"? |
| 10:13.27 | MohammadAG | anonuk, you should be able to mount ubi0:rootfs and get the files |
| 10:13.50 | anonuk | MohammadAG: I know its against ToS :( ive got no way to mount anything - usb port gone and cant load main OS |
| 10:14.10 | anonuk | MohammadAG: ive got bootmenu installed so was trying to load something else to try chroot and recover |
| 10:14.13 | SpeedEvil | you can also now adjust the order |
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| 10:14.24 | anonuk | MohammadAG: but nothing will boot without /lib/firmware |
| 10:14.27 | MohammadAG | anonuk, why can't you chroot? |
| 10:14.30 | MohammadAG | oh? |
| 10:14.38 | anonuk | MohammadAG: from where? |
| 10:14.44 | SpeedEvil | long-click on somewhere that's not an application on the application manager. Then you click an app, and move it where you want it |
| 10:14.47 | MohammadAG | nvm |
| 10:14.49 | anonuk | MohammadAG: no access to any OS on the device |
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| 10:14.59 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, hi there again. |
| 10:15.06 | hrw | noobmonk3y: rewrite your app to use .ui file for UI definition instead of making ui in code. then stop making own buttons. then stop assuming screen size |
| 10:15.38 | MohammadAG | hey DrGrov |
| 10:15.40 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, how did you say I should update to PR 1.2? From the device yes but how about the right type of backup? Just contacts and settings is needed as backup since I lose the apps? |
| 10:16.02 | MohammadAG | if you update ota you shouldn't lose anything |
| 10:16.18 | djdm | My conversations disappeared, actually (but I wasn't that bothered) |
| 10:16.30 | djdm | So do back them up :) |
| 10:16.30 | sECuRE | my conversations did not disappear |
| 10:16.47 | sECuRE | (i ticked all checkboxes in the backup app) |
| 10:16.51 | djdm | So did I :) |
| 10:16.57 | sECuRE | strange |
| 10:16.58 | MohammadAG | neither did mine |
| 10:17.05 | MohammadAG | pr1.2 changed the db name |
| 10:17.06 | *** join/#maemo style (style@vauhtis.thegroup.fi) |
| 10:17.08 | MohammadAG | no idea why |
| 10:17.09 | djdm | I tried restoring it but it seemed to have some trouble so I killed it (stuck for ages on 99%) |
| 10:17.24 | Milo- | is there still no free .doc/.xls reader/writer for n900? |
| 10:17.24 | djdm | Could probably get them back if I was desperate |
| 10:17.28 | style | hmm, is it true that PR1.2 application manager doesn't have search anymore o_O |
| 10:17.38 | Stskeeps | use live search |
| 10:17.41 | Stskeeps | type first letter .. |
| 10:17.41 | djdm | style: Start typing the app name |
| 10:17.45 | style | aaah |
| 10:17.47 | style | thanls |
| 10:17.49 | style | thanks* |
| 10:18.04 | noobmonk3y | hrw: meh........ i got so annoyed with the qt designer and steps involved i did it all manually - i agree i *should* do it properly, but it requires time :( |
| 10:18.04 | portraitm | guys, i've tried crtl+shift+R in the blocks game |
| 10:18.19 | portraitm | it rotated the screen, but when i pressed start a game |
| 10:18.23 | portraitm | app stucked... |
| 10:18.25 | djdm | Milo: DocsToGo will read |
| 10:18.36 | Milo- | djdm it's not free |
| 10:18.39 | djdm | Oh, hang on, that's 30-day trial |
| 10:18.40 | djdm | Sorry |
| 10:18.49 | portraitm | i just shut off my phone and turned on, but now i doesnt rotate blocks app, how can i get it rotate again ? |
| 10:18.58 | Milo- | portraitm reboot |
| 10:19.09 | Milo- | portraitm your accelerometer died |
| 10:19.16 | Milo- | it happens |
| 10:19.27 | portraitm | so i have to take off my baterie you mean ? |
| 10:19.34 | Milo- | no |
| 10:19.36 | Milo- | just reboot |
| 10:19.41 | portraitm | kk |
| 10:19.42 | portraitm | trying |
| 10:19.42 | Milo- | turn off your device and then turn it back up |
| 10:19.53 | Milo- | should do the trick |
| 10:21.51 | portraitm | Milo- it rotates in the browser, but doesn't rotate app |
| 10:21.59 | portraitm | shall i try ctrl+shift+r again ? |
| 10:22.02 | satmd | Stskeeps: doesn't the new search in application manager effectively disable the use of the virtual keyboard? |
| 10:22.05 | Milo- | oh |
| 10:22.13 | Milo- | which app? |
| 10:22.16 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, ok so just update as OTA and good to go? How about applications as OTA update? I need to get them? |
| 10:22.19 | portraitm | blocks |
| 10:22.20 | *** join/#maemo andres (~andres@crystalspace3d.org) |
| 10:22.20 | portraitm | game |
| 10:22.24 | Stskeeps | satmd: no lcue |
| 10:22.25 | Milo- | oh |
| 10:22.32 | Milo- | has it rotated before? |
| 10:22.34 | hrw | portraitm: what did we told? |
| 10:22.34 | andres | Is there a trick to make the modest widget monitor different folders? |
| 10:22.37 | Milo- | not all applications support rotation |
| 10:22.48 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, check out the flashing page, it has a paragraph about SSU afaik |
| 10:22.50 | portraitm | but it rotated me fist time :) |
| 10:22.51 | satmd | Stskeeps: well, hard to use it if you have no text box to tap. That's how it is enabled usually |
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| 10:22.52 | MohammadAG | infobot, flashing |
| 10:22.58 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:22.58 | Milo- | portraitm okay |
| 10:23.08 | *** part/#maemo style (style@vauhtis.thegroup.fi) |
| 10:23.10 | hrw | portraitm: shift+ctrl+r is *debug* thing |
| 10:23.46 | Stskeeps | neat, flawless pr1.2 update |
| 10:23.50 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, ok. Will do, checking now as we speak. I try to get some good background info first before I go berserk with my beloved N900 lol |
| 10:23.54 | portraitm | hrw can you tell me any app which supports rotation ? |
| 10:24.04 | hrw | no, I cant |
| 10:24.06 | LoCusF | do I need the eMMC image from tablets-dev or do I just need the FIASCO image? |
| 10:24.27 | sECuRE | LoCusF: fiaso is enough |
| 10:24.41 | pupnik | "photos" portraitm |
| 10:24.50 | LoCusF | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin <- ? |
| 10:25.11 | lcuk | Stskeeps, im surprised you werent doing testing on pr1.2 before today! |
| 10:25.14 | LoCusF | hmm thats it, since I'm in Europe |
| 10:25.19 | sECuRE | LoCusF: yep |
| 10:25.55 | portraitm | and i have probably the last question, i want to get the virtual keyboard out when sending sms |
| 10:25.55 | lardman | zaheerm, |
| 10:25.59 | portraitm | but can not.. |
| 10:26.06 | zaheerm | lardman, yes? |
| 10:26.13 | lardman | zaheerm: oops, sorry I didn't reply to your question re libchamplain |
| 10:26.20 | zaheerm | lardman, its ok i fixed it :) |
| 10:26.30 | lardman | cool, not sureI had that problem anyway |
| 10:26.43 | Stskeeps | LoCusF: emmc is only needed if you have problems or want to erase your emmc |
| 10:26.44 | zaheerm | some -dev package had an m4 installed that referred to an undefined macro |
| 10:26.47 | lcuk | heya lardman \o |
| 10:26.51 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm not a tester |
| 10:27.00 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, seems like not too different than the update to PR 1.1 |
| 10:27.14 | *** join/#maemo trbs (~trbs@5355B9B3.cable.casema.nl) |
| 10:27.14 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, I will backup the whole freaking thing and get it over with right now :) |
| 10:27.17 | alterego | Why is Qt OpenGL support missing for maemo5 in the SD? |
| 10:27.20 | alterego | ~SDK |
| 10:27.26 | infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
| 10:27.26 | loufoque | isn't the seamless update there yet? |
| 10:27.28 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, perhaps I am too concerned always when there is something new out there :) |
| 10:27.44 | bleeter | only had the n900 a week, how can I fill / so quickly? hehe |
| 10:27.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, no you are a distmaster :P |
| 10:28.14 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i thought that was just about being punching bag for community |
| 10:28.14 | portraitm | maybe i should download something to get the virtual keyboard ? |
| 10:28.45 | LoCusF | Stskeeps: figured as much |
| 10:28.47 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 10:28.56 | satmd | oooh |
| 10:28.57 | DrGrov | Where can I find a changelog for PR 1.2? What does it bring to the table compared to PR 1.1? |
| 10:29.06 | satmd | gives sts a bag of cookies |
| 10:29.15 | alterego | I quite like the contact menu extension interface .. |
| 10:29.48 | lardman | does Mardy (i.e. mappero maintainer/dev) hang out on irc? |
| 10:29.50 | loufoque | bleeter: installing tons of crap |
| 10:30.03 | DrGrov | alterego, how is it looking? how is it extended? |
| 10:30.06 | loufoque | DrGrov: portrait web browser |
| 10:30.17 | alterego | DrGrov: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookMenuExtension.html |
| 10:30.59 | sECuRE | hm, still no custom groups in addressbook, it seems? or am i overlooking sth? |
| 10:31.09 | DrGrov | loufoque, ah that is a good addition. |
| 10:31.12 | loufoque | pupnik: you can see photos in portrait mode now? |
| 10:31.19 | DrGrov | alterego, thank you |
| 10:31.39 | alterego | sECuRE: no, no custom groups, but with that interface we can implement it ourselves :) |
| 10:31.47 | tybollt_ | lcuk: ,distmaster,head honcho, ,distmaster,big kahuna, |
| 10:31.56 | loufoque | DrGrov: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 10:32.11 | sECuRE | alterego: ah, i see |
| 10:32.18 | DrGrov | loufoque, thanks. reading now. had a bit of problems to find it first. |
| 10:34.09 | DrGrov | ah this is good |
| 10:35.39 | DrGrov | what are the new applications in PR 1.2? |
| 10:35.48 | DrGrov | can't seem to read anything about those in the wiki |
| 10:36.51 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: new email desktop widget :D |
| 10:37.11 | alterego | New "Help" application .. If you can call it that ^.^ |
| 10:37.27 | alterego | I noticed some more settings in settings under the phone, I think, but they may have been there before .. |
| 10:38.07 | Milo- | I kind of liked the two level menu |
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| 10:38.21 | Milo- | now I keep clicking "settings" each time I want to access any of the additional applications |
| 10:38.24 | sECuRE | is there a way to remove icons from the program menu? i could only move their position so far |
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| 10:38.56 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping :) |
| 10:39.01 | timeless_mbp | (ttl: 3min) |
| 10:39.18 | pupnik | loufoque: yes for a while |
| 10:39.34 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, oooh! that's some fancy shit! :) lol |
| 10:39.49 | loufoque | pupnik: how? |
| 10:39.50 | noobmonk3y | hehehe ;) - doesnt work too great with nokia messaging accounts tho :( |
| 10:39.57 | alterego | Oh well, no Qt OpenGL for me then :( |
| 10:40.31 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, my fiancee tried to wake me up in the morning to do the update but i was sleeping. so she went to work and kindly reminded me again before she left to update the phone :) how sweet isn't that? :) |
| 10:40.51 | noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwwwww! thats lovely - its a geeky romance! love it |
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| 10:41.20 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, yes it is :) lol |
| 10:41.30 | loufoque | is there a trick to move to portrait mode? |
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| 10:41.49 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, she must seriously love me for my geeky attributes :) |
| 10:42.17 | SpeedEvil | A keeper! |
| 10:42.18 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:42.27 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil, yes most certainly a keeper :) |
| 10:42.29 | an0therb0x | update error - not enough space in target ... where is the target ? |
| 10:42.32 | Milo- | DrGrov how much? |
| 10:42.36 | noobmonk3y | my missus lets me and my n900 just continue our relationship - as long as i tell her she looks beautiful every so often, works for me |
| 10:42.39 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 10:42.39 | Milo- | I'll buy her right now |
| 10:42.51 | SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y: Does the n900 respond when you tell it that? |
| 10:42.52 | Stskeeps | wtf is this 'my nokia' thing. |
| 10:42.56 | noobmonk3y | an0therb0x: the target s your root lol |
| 10:43.03 | noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: it reb00ts :( |
| 10:43.05 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: It's apparantly to SMS spam you. |
| 10:43.13 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil, though I wonder how she likes my extremely long sleeping sessions and making noise like an idiot while sleeping :) |
| 10:43.17 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps: evil nokia sms text spam |
| 10:43.19 | inz | noobmonk3y, by 'her', did you refer to your missus or your n900? |
| 10:43.23 | DrGrov | Milo-, you pimp ;) she is not up for sales |
| 10:43.28 | noobmonk3y | inz: both :P |
| 10:43.34 | Milo- | DrGrov dang! |
| 10:43.35 | Myrtti | "buy her..." *sigh* |
| 10:43.37 | loufoque | pupnik: ctrl+shift+O doesn't do anything in the image viewer |
| 10:43.40 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: it's basically Nokia sms-spamming you "tips'n'tricks" and in the long run they will probably start sending comercial messages as well (I get some of those) |
| 10:43.50 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, you have a sort of a dirty relationship with your N900. That's the way I like it ah ah ah :) |
| 10:43.56 | pupnik | loufoque: dunno, sometimes works here |
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| 10:44.01 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, but nice to hear you don't forget the "real" missus :) |
| 10:44.03 | hrw | mynokia smses? crap tricks |
| 10:44.03 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: ah, corporate evil |
| 10:44.10 | RST38h | Ok. Cannot update using HAM. Cannot update using apt-get |
| 10:44.22 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Time to break out the butterfly. |
| 10:44.25 | DrGrov | Milo-, you don't got yourself a nice missus eh? :( |
| 10:44.31 | hrw | RST38h: but you got update info at all? |
| 10:44.37 | portraitm | and i have probably the last question, i want to get the virtual keyboard out when sending sms |
| 10:44.42 | RST38h | hrw: Yep, it shows the package |
| 10:44.46 | Milo- | DrGrov no, haven't been able to find one that would appreciate my geeky habbits |
| 10:44.49 | MaikB | is in the progress of installing the packages that are listed in the backup |
| 10:44.54 | RST38h | hrw: Is there any way to check for conflicts without really installing? |
| 10:44.59 | Stskeeps | "Attempt to unsubscribe has failed" |
| 10:45.00 | Stskeeps | wtf. |
| 10:45.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:45.05 | Milo- | habits* |
| 10:45.10 | cehteh | RST38h: same here |
| 10:45.11 | MaikB | it is confusing not to have the cpu monitor to look at |
| 10:45.15 | MaikB | :) |
| 10:45.19 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I'm not sure - I think it sent a - chargeable - SMS to unsubscribe |
| 10:45.27 | an0therb0x | noobmonk3y: nothing to remove under rootfs its all system files |
| 10:45.28 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: apt-get has a dry run flag |
| 10:45.36 | tybollt_ | -n yeah? |
| 10:45.39 | DrGrov | Milo-, trust me. you will find one some day. you will be enlightened i am sure. |
| 10:45.41 | MaikB | fortunately ssh is one of the first things thet got installed |
| 10:45.44 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: real? whats real? - i have a picture of the other missus on my n900 - thats as real as things get? - oh damn i need to get a life |
| 10:45.44 | MaikB | top ftw |
| 10:46.05 | noobmonk3y | an0therb0x: lol - lets start from the beginning, you are trying an over the air PR1.2 upgrade i assume? |
| 10:46.21 | an0therb0x | noobmonk3y: correct |
| 10:46.22 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, yes perhaps it is time to upgrade yourself a bit eh lol ;) |
| 10:46.34 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, nah, you just make sweet love to the N900. |
| 10:46.46 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, it will as you've seen say NO to anything you do with it.... |
| 10:46.56 | tybollt_ | put on some Barry White and go down on it |
| 10:46.59 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, god damn! |
| 10:47.05 | noobmonk3y | an0therb0x: and you have not got enough room it is saying? can you tell me how much room you have in your root free please? |
| 10:47.13 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, i mean it will never say no like a real missus would do |
| 10:47.16 | noobmonk3y | lol DrGrov |
| 10:47.21 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: puter says nooooooooo |
| 10:47.29 | tybollt_ | hell yes din grove fan :) |
| 10:47.31 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, god damn i am becoming insane here |
| 10:47.41 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: i work in mental health - so does revKathy lol |
| 10:47.47 | an0therb0x | noobmonk3y: rootfs 227.8M 200.8M 22.7M 90% / |
| 10:47.56 | tybollt_ | DrGrov: s,becoming,are, ;) |
| 10:47.56 | noobmonk3y | ok... you need space.... |
| 10:48.17 | noobmonk3y | an0therb0x: can you disable all repo's bar the one needed for the update (specifically extras devel and testing please) - just disable do not delete |
| 10:48.25 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, you got some space there for a loner like me? rofl |
| 10:48.26 | noobmonk3y | then let me know the space |
| 10:48.38 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: system says 18 spare beds atm |
| 10:48.47 | noobmonk3y | could get a double, for you and the n900 ;) |
| 10:48.50 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, damn. that is a lot |
| 10:49.04 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, oh. a double you say you dirty little bastard :) |
| 10:49.06 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: in 14 buildings, not a lot lol |
| 10:49.58 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, damn you. make 18 spare beds in one building and we got a deal :) lol |
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| 10:50.11 | noobmonk3y | haha - how many phones are you in a relationship with!!! lol |
| 10:50.32 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, let me count actually.... |
| 10:50.41 | MaikB | Means knowing one phone knowing them all? |
| 10:50.49 | an0therb0x | noobmonk3y: i disabled all catalogs except for nokia applications and nokia system software updates |
| 10:51.06 | noobmonk3y | how much root free now? |
| 10:51.08 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, i do have a Nokia 3120 Classic, a Nokia N73, a Samsung S5600, a Nokia N97 which the missus has, a Nokia N900, a Nokia 2680 something for a work phone |
| 10:51.25 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, so i count my private phones to 4 or 5 about... |
| 10:51.30 | noobmonk3y | lol you phone'enizer! |
| 10:51.42 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: and the woman still loves you! - she's a keeper! |
| 10:51.57 | noobmonk3y | (or a zoo keeper lol) |
| 10:52.15 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, of course she is not too happy though about me getting a new phone once in a while but she starts to understand my craving for phones and geeky stuff |
| 10:52.32 | noobmonk3y | does that means she gets your sloppy seconds so to speak? |
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| 10:52.34 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, my next phone will be a Nokia 9500i i think |
| 10:52.42 | MaikB | device is restored.. phew |
| 10:52.47 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, no. i keep all my phones dearly like a flower on the palm |
| 10:53.29 | noobmonk3y | an0therb0x: how much rootfs free now? |
| 10:53.35 | noobmonk3y | congrats MaikB |
| 10:53.44 | an0therb0x | noobmonk3y: looks like its not going to be possible i am at 89% capacity with 25.0M available |
| 10:53.45 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: n9500i? |
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| 10:53.55 | noobmonk3y | hmmm it's always possible :p |
| 10:54.00 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, no. the Communicator 9500i or 9300i |
| 10:54.08 | noobmonk3y | NSU or flashing is one way - but there are things to do to help :D |
| 10:54.12 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, or what the name was again. can't remember lol |
| 10:54.50 | an0therb0x | noobmonk3y: it needs 113.6M on a file system with a total size of 227.8M |
| 10:54.57 | noobmonk3y | an0therb0x: PM me (On web irc atm, so can't initiate easily) |
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| 10:56.17 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, just type /query nick |
| 10:56.30 | MaikB | yay, removing entries from the current play list.. |
| 10:56.37 | MaikB | finally |
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| 10:57.49 | lcuk | an0therb0x, do simple things, disable your -devel -testing and other misc repositories and see how much space |
| 10:58.07 | lcuk | afaik you dont need to start with >100mb even through the update is 119mb :) |
| 10:58.20 | chadi | do you guys expect PR 1.2.1? |
| 10:58.21 | lcuk | (first thing it does is reshuffles and makes tonnes more space) |
| 10:58.27 | MaikB | rootfs 227.9M 132.5M 91.1M 59% / |
| 10:58.29 | MaikB | nice |
| 10:58.40 | chadi | there seems to be a lot of threads about PR 1.2 bugs |
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| 10:59.00 | MohammadAG | morning lcuk |
| 10:59.19 | RST38h | Hmmmm... apt-get dry run works |
| 10:59.27 | RST38h | apt-get install needs more space in archives/ |
| 10:59.31 | RST38h | HAM just plain fails |
| 11:00.00 | MohammadAG | is it me or does facebook try to download the home.php page now |
| 11:00.33 | lcuk | RST38h, if you are using apt-get then why are you moaning about HAM |
| 11:00.39 | lcuk | morning MohammadAG |
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| 11:01.37 | toresbe | hey guys |
| 11:01.50 | toresbe | I'm trying to install PR1.2 but I'm having some trouble |
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| 11:03.02 | toresbe | specifically |
| 11:03.02 | toresbe | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 11:03.46 | MohammadAG | move it |
| 11:04.38 | tybollt_ | 7xdcc get meego-rel1-unofficial.bin Stskeeps |
| 11:04.40 | tybollt_ | ;) |
| 11:04.58 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: it's an xterm, not sure why you'd fake that ;p |
| 11:05.10 | hrw | did someone used kexec to boot own kernel on n900? |
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| 11:05.10 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: ;) |
| 11:05.28 | Stskeeps | hrw: yes, but there's a reinitialisation problem in omapdss2 |
| 11:05.37 | RST38h | lcuk: I have tried both apt-get and HAM, neither works |
| 11:05.39 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: just moaning... want unoptified (meego) noooooow =) |
| 11:05.49 | RST38h | lcuk: apt-get says there is not enough space. HAM just fails. |
| 11:06.11 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: are you allowed to talk about what you think of the looks and "shinyness" of QT gui vs current gnome-ish? |
| 11:06.14 | lcuk | then backup and reflash |
| 11:06.26 | MohammadAG | RST38h, move it! |
| 11:06.31 | hrw | Stskeeps: so no screen |
| 11:06.36 | MohammadAG | umm wait |
| 11:06.39 | MohammadAG | HAM fails? |
| 11:06.43 | RST38h | yes |
| 11:06.48 | Stskeeps | hrw: no, just a lot of output to console |
| 11:06.49 | RST38h | "You should use Ovi Suite for update" |
| 11:06.53 | Stskeeps | hrw: screen works fine ;) |
| 11:07.08 | tybollt_ | RST38h: uhm itäs not released yet!? |
| 11:07.19 | RST38h | whatever, PC Suite or somethign |
| 11:07.20 | MohammadAG | RST38h, what does apt-get fail with? |
| 11:07.33 | RST38h | not enough space in archives/ |
| 11:07.53 | noobmonk3y | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space -> Move apt cache outside of rootfs -maybe? :D |
| 11:08.00 | hrw | RST38h: symlink it... |
| 11:08.09 | RST38h | a'ok... |
| 11:08.28 | BCMM | having pr1.2 frees up a lot of rootfs |
| 11:08.44 | noobmonk3y | BCMM - you owe lcuk a bacon sandwhich i feel |
| 11:08.51 | noobmonk3y | sandwich even |
| 11:09.16 | noobmonk3y | or just a plate of bacon, screw the bread |
| 11:09.17 | BCMM | noobmonk3y: was it him that told me that yesterday? |
| 11:09.33 | noobmonk3y | he always needs bacon the more bacon he gets the more free rootfs space we seem to get |
| 11:09.38 | BCMM | anyway, was very true on my device, so i'll repeat it :) |
| 11:09.42 | noobmonk3y | hehehe :D |
| 11:09.48 | toresbe | MohammadAG: that's fairly obvious, in hindsight - thanks |
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| 11:10.13 | lcuk | i have had no bacon for a while now :( i am unable to eat it for at least another 2 months |
| 11:10.24 | noobmonk3y | wtf?!?! |
| 11:10.28 | noobmonk3y | :| 2 months?!?! |
| 11:10.43 | tybollt_ | until you've converted out of islam/judaism? |
| 11:10.43 | lcuk | thats when i may finally have a working mouth |
| 11:10.51 | tybollt_ | ouch? |
| 11:10.55 | lcuk | yup |
| 11:10.57 | noobmonk3y | omg and ouch |
| 11:11.05 | tybollt_ | what happened? |
| 11:11.08 | lcuk | so i oculd suck on bacon lollies |
| 11:11.19 | lcuk | but the experience isnt the same, i <3 crunchy bacon |
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| 11:11.39 | Ken-Young | Has OTA pr1.2 shown up anywhere besides the UK yet? |
| 11:11.40 | Shapeshifter | uhm |
| 11:11.41 | Shapeshifter | wtf |
| 11:11.46 | SpeedEvil | passes lcuk a bacon enema bag. |
| 11:11.49 | lcuk | tybollt_, just having some dental reworking done and dont want to rock the boat |
| 11:11.50 | Shapeshifter | I just flashed the new firmware an now all my settings have been reset |
| 11:11.54 | ptl | what is the name of the PR1.2 update package? I can't get it on HAM. |
| 11:11.54 | Shapeshifter | my mails are gone etc |
| 11:11.58 | Shapeshifter | and the apps I had installed |
| 11:12.01 | iPeter- | hei |
| 11:12.05 | Shapeshifter | I did not flash the emmc |
| 11:12.07 | tybollt_ | lcuk: fair enough |
| 11:12.07 | ptl | Ken-Young: according to some people on tmo, yes |
| 11:12.08 | Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: if you reflashed, of course a lot of things go bad.. |
| 11:12.16 | Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: not all settings are on emmc |
| 11:12.26 | Shapeshifter | so I should have made a backup |
| 11:12.27 | Shapeshifter | xD |
| 11:12.27 | Robot101 | Shapeshifter: doing a backup and restoring it is a normal part of the backup process... |
| 11:12.29 | Stskeeps | if you wanted to keep things, you should have OTA'ed |
| 11:12.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:12.30 | Shapeshifter | fail |
| 11:12.33 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, "you flashed new firmware" ok, so use the restore tool to restore your settings and data |
| 11:12.34 | Robot101 | er, reflash process |
| 11:12.36 | Ken-Young | ptl Thanks |
| 11:13.07 | ptl | Ken-Young: but I can't get the update to show |
| 11:13.08 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: I assume it did not make a backup automatically. |
| 11:13.17 | iPeter- | i dled new update and i understood i could dl rollecoaster game from somewher but i cant find it from ovistore or app manager |
| 11:13.26 | Ken-Young | ptl Me neither. I'm in the US. |
| 11:13.59 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, :) why ever would you assume that? |
| 11:14.05 | ptl | apt-get dist-upgrade shows 111 Mb of packages |
| 11:14.09 | lcuk | everywhere tells you to backup |
| 11:14.14 | lcuk | EVERYWHERE |
| 11:14.18 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: well. |
| 11:14.46 | lcuk | iPeter-, isnt ovi on its way through |
| 11:14.50 | Shapeshifter | I went here http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and like... hit "linux" and read on from there |
| 11:14.52 | lcuk | didnt i see a post saying thursday? |
| 11:14.53 | Shapeshifter | meh |
| 11:15.11 | tybollt_ | clearly this is what you need lcuk´; http://www.kavli.se/wps/wcm/connect/se/Produkter/Bredbar+ost/Baconost |
| 11:15.17 | tybollt_ | ost == cheese |
| 11:15.40 | Shapeshifter | still it's kinda weird. when booted up now, I still saw my own background wallpaper. then it disappeared and was replaced by the blue one. and "cannot do operation, internal error" or something like that popped up twice |
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| 11:15.58 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, any computer upgrades and especially a reformat require proper backing up :'( |
| 11:16.12 | Shapeshifter | yeah I should have thought of that |
| 11:16.15 | lcuk | mmmm baconarom |
| 11:16.23 | Shapeshifter | would have been nice if the flasher would do a backup automatically though ;) |
| 11:16.52 | lcuk | ahem, linux console does not dick around or mollycoddle the user |
| 11:17.06 | RST38h | apt-get installing... |
| 11:17.07 | Shapeshifter | yeah ;) |
| 11:17.11 | lcuk | the ham explicitely tells you to |
| 11:17.18 | RST38h | holds fingers crossed |
| 11:17.33 | aboyer | i am looking into the possibility of compiling the bc-cat kernel module for maemo/n900. this modules allows for opengl texture streaming and depends on the SGX sdk. has anyone done this already? is there a package or binary available somewhere? |
| 11:18.51 | SpeedEvil | it's designed for arm? |
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| 11:19.39 | aboyer | SpeedEvil: it should be, it supports omap3x and sgx |
| 11:19.46 | aboyer | http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OpenGLES_Texture_Streaming_-_bc-cat_User_Guide |
| 11:19.47 | tybollt_ | RST38h: na z'dorovje |
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| 11:20.28 | ptl | what should I do for the update to PR1.2 appear? |
| 11:20.47 | ptl | I never reflashed my N900, I never used overclocked kernel |
| 11:20.57 | ptl | but I refresh from HAM and the update does not appear. |
| 11:21.03 | ptl | I deactivated extras-devel |
| 11:21.08 | anonuk | just a heads up for people, apt-get dist-upgrade broke my device |
| 11:21.20 | anonuk | sent it into a reboot loop |
| 11:21.25 | Corsac | ptl: just wait |
| 11:21.36 | anonuk | (and ive no usb port to flash again :( ) |
| 11:21.44 | tybollt_ | anonuk: FLASH for you. |
| 11:21.55 | anonuk | tybollt_: no usb port so thats not a possibility |
| 11:21.57 | ptl | Corsac: but there are people who managed to do it |
| 11:21.57 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean no USB port? |
| 11:22.04 | anonuk | SpeedEvil: broke out |
| 11:22.16 | SpeedEvil | anonuk: So return for service |
| 11:22.16 | tybollt_ | anonuk: SOL mate |
| 11:22.21 | anonuk | SpeedEvil: some 'friend' dropped it |
| 11:22.34 | jaska | now to replace my libvte with the darkgrey and border fixes :| |
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| 11:22.42 | anonuk | SpeedEvil: was secondhand dunno if i can get service on it |
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| 11:22.46 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:22.57 | Corsac | ptl: yes, in .eu, for us you might need to wait |
| 11:23.00 | SpeedEvil | I would phone and ask. |
| 11:23.06 | Corsac | ptl: all updates aren't pushed at the same time |
| 11:23.25 | anonuk | SpeedEvil: im hoping maybe i can fix it by booting off SD to a different OS, as bootmenu is installed |
| 11:24.05 | ptl | Corsac: no, the update for north america |
| 11:24.15 | ptl | Corsac: people in the US say they did it |
| 11:24.17 | frals | afternoon everyone o/ |
| 11:24.30 | lcuk | \o |
| 11:24.41 | frals | hows you lcuk? |
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| 11:25.02 | chadi | hey fMMS |
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| 11:25.44 | EsbenH | Just updated my n900 firmware with the app manager, and device seems to reboot itself in a loop :-(( |
| 11:26.02 | Appiah | ouch |
| 11:26.03 | RST38h | time to use PC Suite then |
| 11:26.09 | RST38h | or flasher |
| 11:26.15 | an0therb0x | i am stuck in a rebooting loop, i may have hosed my n900 |
| 11:26.17 | EsbenH | where do I find doc on that? |
| 11:26.19 | thresh | flasher works fine for me |
| 11:26.19 | chadi | what's wrong with infinite loops today? |
| 11:26.22 | thresh | after a reboot loop ;-) |
| 11:26.23 | RST38h | tybollt: not until it installs ;) |
| 11:26.27 | anonuk | an0therb0x: same with me :( |
| 11:26.41 | RST38h | inifinite loops will be fixed in pr1.3 |
| 11:26.45 | thresh | :) |
| 11:26.45 | kehna | any solutions to an n900 refusing to install apps? |
| 11:26.55 | thresh | kehna: tell it in harsh voice to do so. |
| 11:26.56 | RST38h | file a bug report, contact nokia care, discuss it in brainstorm |
| 11:27.01 | kehna | i'll try |
| 11:27.04 | Appiah | kehna: depends on which app and why |
| 11:27.24 | Appiah | what errors do you get? |
| 11:27.29 | RST38h | it is a serious bug though, probably unfixable unless you make a human sacrifice to the Tentacled One |
| 11:27.43 | RST38h | (no, rabbits won't do this time though) |
| 11:28.56 | EsbenH | when it (tries to) boot I get wush sound, a themes background, a pink box in top left corner, and a bar underneath with 0000000 in it. |
| 11:29.04 | EsbenH | anybody else having the same problem? |
| 11:29.12 | ptl | no |
| 11:29.19 | ptl | I didn't even get the update to show up on HAM |
| 11:29.23 | xorAxAx | is 1.2 already out in .de? |
| 11:29.35 | EsbenH | it is in .dk, and now my n900 is dead :-( |
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| 11:30.20 | tybollt_ | RST38h: :) fine, but I'm sure it'll be fine though. |
| 11:30.32 | mece | hey what's the standard separator object called in pygtk? I remember using something like that, but forget where. like <hr> in html. |
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| 11:30.42 | RST38h | tybollt: it is a proto device |
| 11:30.48 | tybollt_ | Oh ok |
| 11:30.58 | RST38h | tybollt: which means a at least a couple of things may go wrong |
| 11:31.08 | tybollt_ | ja, I understand |
| 11:31.16 | lcuk | posts like this remind me why i like maemo so much: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=679015&postcount=40 :) |
| 11:32.16 | an0therb0x | update just killed my n900, nokia has finally convinced me to switch ... XPERIA X10 here i come |
| 11:32.33 | thresh | ok thanks for telling us that! |
| 11:32.40 | an0therb0x | no problem |
| 11:32.45 | ptl | you waited so much for PR1.2 and will switch just because the update failed? |
| 11:32.46 | mece | an0therb0x, LOOOOOOOOL |
| 11:32.56 | mece | lcuk, ftw! |
| 11:32.58 | ptl | I just wanted PR1.2 |
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| 11:33.19 | toresbe | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/adobe-flashplayer_3.0.0.82+0m5_armel.deb |
| 11:33.20 | Stskeeps | an0therb0x: just flash it with the right fiasco image and you should be a happy boy. did you backup as being told to? |
| 11:33.22 | pigeon | ahha! i see pr1.2 from my app manager... |
| 11:33.22 | toresbe | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:33.22 | toresbe | hmh |
| 11:33.25 | toresbe | sh: getcwd: No such file or directory |
| 11:33.25 | ptl | and as soon as I get it, even if I brick my device, I'll be satisfied (I'll unbrick it with the firmware images, no problem) |
| 11:33.29 | RST38h | an0therb0x: Very good idea, switch to Xperia immediately |
| 11:33.36 | sivang | s somebody responded to me here, and the backlog was lost |
| 11:33.40 | RST38h | an0therb0x: You are making a perfect choice |
| 11:33.42 | sivang | please retype ) |
| 11:33.43 | ptl | pigeon: what is the secret? |
| 11:33.46 | Ken-Young | OTA pr1.2 just showed up on my tablet in the US. Wasn't there 15 minutes ago. |
| 11:33.47 | ptl | why can't I get it? |
| 11:34.01 | pigeon | the secret was i waited almost a day... |
| 11:34.12 | mece | hey the gtk separator is called... wait for it... gtk.separator! OMG! |
| 11:34.13 | toresbe | works on reinstall. |
| 11:34.33 | ptl | oh |
| 11:34.38 | thresh | damn |
| 11:34.43 | ptl | I don't have mp-fremantle-002-pr |
| 11:34.52 | an0therb0x | RST38h: will do, thank you sir |
| 11:34.54 | thresh | i need to connect nookla via usb to get the packages from backup back. the problem is I don't have a root. |
| 11:35.05 | thresh | meh. |
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| 11:35.24 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 11:35.38 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, so if I update now I just do a backup with the own N900 software? |
| 11:35.39 | thresh | and no libicd-network-usb in PR12 preinstalled :-( |
| 11:35.48 | MohammadAG_ | yes |
| 11:35.50 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, will I lose my settings and contacts? |
| 11:35.54 | MohammadAG_ | OTA - no |
| 11:36.01 | MohammadAG_ | reflash - yes, only settings |
| 11:36.09 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: the n900 backup worked fine for me, device was as-was when i restored ;) |
| 11:36.13 | MohammadAG_ | (and apps - but you didn't ask about them) |
| 11:36.14 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, good :) I will do a backup just in case something goes horribly wrong |
| 11:36.27 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, I hate to do all settings again :) |
| 11:36.27 | MohammadAG_ | shit happens |
| 11:36.28 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 11:36.29 | EsbenH | DrGrov: better remember the backup, PR1.2 seems to brick devices :-( |
| 11:36.31 | noobmonk3y | but you can select what you want to restore |
| 11:36.41 | chadi | do you guys have any idea why "My Nokia" is crashing my Settings application? |
| 11:36.41 | noobmonk3y | ie contacts / apps etc |
| 11:36.44 | MohammadAG_ | EsbenH, no bricks here |
| 11:36.46 | DrGrov | EsbenH, it bricks devices? |
| 11:36.50 | *** part/#maemo ashwin (~ashwin@59.163.89.69) |
| 11:36.53 | thresh | it doesnt brick it |
| 11:36.55 | noobmonk3y | chadi: because it is nokias version of spam'a'lot? |
| 11:37.00 | thresh | just a new feature of reboot loops |
| 11:37.00 | EsbenH | 2 or 3 here already reported it, including me. |
| 11:37.06 | chadi | no bricks here |
| 11:37.08 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, any need to backup applications? |
| 11:37.08 | MohammadAG_ | how did you upgrade? |
| 11:37.12 | noobmonk3y | EsbenH: hmmmmmm any update has a chance of doing that?! |
| 11:37.16 | ptl | dang |
| 11:37.20 | chadi | noobmonk3y, but I like spam |
| 11:37.24 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 11:37.30 | MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, you can't backup applications, you can back up application lists |
| 11:37.32 | EsbenH | did anyone have success with OTA PR1.2 update, or did all you lucky guys use flasher? |
| 11:37.35 | chadi | Im curious to know what it is about |
| 11:37.40 | ptl | if I try to install mp-fremantle-002-pr it tries to download 110 MB of extra packages |
| 11:37.44 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, ah okay. Just settings and contacts then. |
| 11:37.47 | chadi | no seriously, does anyone else have this problem? |
| 11:37.48 | ptl | EsbenH: I am trying to make it appear here |
| 11:37.51 | thresh | I had an infinite-loop after apt-get dist-upgrade, then i reflashed ;-) |
| 11:37.55 | MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, do a full backup |
| 11:38.01 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, ok. will do a full backup |
| 11:38.02 | Stskeeps | sigh |
| 11:38.07 | ptl | should I do apt-get install mp-fremantle-002-pr? |
| 11:38.08 | Stskeeps | dist-upgrade failing is your own darn faults |
| 11:38.08 | MohammadAG_ | apt-get dist-upgrade causes problems |
| 11:38.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:38.16 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, what should I do if something goes wrong? Just apply the latest full backup? |
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| 11:38.30 | MohammadAG_ | which can be circumvented using dirty methods |
| 11:38.39 | noobmonk3y | hmmm probably obvious question.... |
| 11:38.45 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, will my 32GB storage be intact without losing any stuff from there? |
| 11:38.51 | MohammadAG_ | yes |
| 11:39.00 | noobmonk3y | we can currently screenshot the device, anything around to record the device? (Other then doing it from a pc?) |
| 11:39.01 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, so no lost information ? :) |
| 11:39.04 | DrGrov | God damn! |
| 11:39.12 | ptl | MohammadAG_: do you know if there is any way of me installing mp-fremantle-002-pr safely and then upgrading via HAM? |
| 11:39.13 | DrGrov | Now I will just do this before my fiancee gets irritated :) LOL |
| 11:39.15 | noobmonk3y | DrGrov: it doesnt make you a cup of tea though :( |
| 11:39.27 | MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, you're a bit overreacting lol |
| 11:39.29 | noobmonk3y | you need the fiancee to do that! |
| 11:39.37 | RST38h | Gasson surgically implanted an RFID chip infected by malware into his hand. He claimed claim this made him the first human to become "infected with a computer virus". |
| 11:39.40 | MohammadAG_ | ptl, apt-get install it? |
| 11:39.43 | RST38h | British scientists... |
| 11:39.50 | MohammadAG_ | -scientists |
| 11:39.50 | noobmonk3y | i am quite parcial to getting a massage from the gf at the same time as updating... lol |
| 11:39.51 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 11:40.00 | ptl | MohammadAG_: If I do it, it tries to push 119 MB of extra packages |
| 11:40.19 | MohammadAG_ | ptl, duh.. that's the update |
| 11:40.19 | DrGrov | noobmonk3y, yes. my fiancee will do my PR 1.2 update :) |
| 11:40.20 | MohammadAG_ | umm |
| 11:40.25 | MohammadAG_ | sec |
| 11:40.46 | ptl | MohammadAG_: I know, but I don't want to do it via apt-get because people here says it's failing. |
| 11:40.55 | MohammadAG_ | ptl, you need to install the old version |
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| 11:41.16 | MohammadAG_ | hmm |
| 11:41.20 | pigeon | DrGrov: you have a lot of confident in your relationship ;) |
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| 11:41.29 | pigeon | confidence even |
| 11:41.31 | MohammadAG_ | 3.2010.02-8 AFAIK |
| 11:41.41 | ptl | MohammadAG_: yes. How? |
| 11:41.42 | ptl | MohammadAG_: apt-cache policy does not show it. |
| 11:41.49 | ptl | :( |
| 11:41.52 | MohammadAG_ | apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=3.2010.02-8 |
| 11:42.00 | tybollt_ | noobmonk3y: you mimicing that scene in "Swordfish"? :P |
| 11:42.17 | ptl | E: Couldn't find package mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 11:42.31 | MohammadAG_ | umm |
| 11:42.35 | MohammadAG_ | replace generic with your code |
| 11:42.40 | ptl | also, for -002 |
| 11:42.42 | ptl | E: Version '3.2010.02-8' for 'mp-fremantle-002-pr' was not found |
| 11:43.01 | ptl | only 10.2010.19-1.002 0 |
| 11:43.07 | noobmonk3y | lol tybollt_ |
| 11:43.08 | ptl | no previous version |
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| 11:43.25 | MohammadAG_ | ptl, you can always fabricate it :) |
| 11:43.41 | MohammadAG_ | (or ask someone with the old firmware to repack it |
| 11:43.42 | ptl | how? |
| 11:43.43 | MohammadAG_ | ) |
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| 11:43.58 | ptl | can someone with the older firmware from north america repack here for me? |
| 11:44.03 | loufoque | what does OTA stand for? |
| 11:44.13 | MohammadAG_ | Over The Air |
| 11:44.34 | EsbenH | And specifically, I meant using App Manager |
| 11:45.03 | loufoque | MohammadAG_: wasn't that called SSU or something? |
| 11:45.13 | Lazy^ | Hey, i have install tar-gnu package to N900. Now i'm trying to extract .tar.gz packa with option tar xzf but i get an error tar: invalid tar magic |
| 11:45.16 | MohammadAG_ | SSU = Seamless Software Update |
| 11:45.20 | MohammadAG_ | OTA = Over The Air |
| 11:45.26 | Lazy^ | am i missing a package or |
| 11:45.39 | frals | trouts MohammadAG_ |
| 11:45.41 | phellarv | Lazy^: tar -xvzf ? |
| 11:45.55 | loufoque | MohammadAG_: SSU is OTA |
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| 11:46.05 | phellarv | All this is PITA |
| 11:46.09 | Milo- | how did I disable the annoying startup video? (the dang hands) |
| 11:46.20 | MohammadAG_ | loufoque, your point? |
| 11:46.22 | tybollt_ | hands frals a whale - there, trout him w/ that =) |
| 11:46.38 | MohammadAG_ | throws a noobmonk3y at frals |
| 11:46.49 | noobmonk3y | giggles in mid-flight |
| 11:46.49 | loufoque | MohammadAG_: using tons of acronyms for the same thing is confusing |
| 11:46.51 | frals | throws a whale at noobmonk3y |
| 11:46.58 | noobmonk3y | eats the whale and farts |
| 11:47.00 | jaska | edit /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf then comment out the filename= line with a # |
| 11:47.08 | jaska | gets rid of the wiggling hands and noise |
| 11:47.13 | tybollt_ | hehe |
| 11:47.16 | MohammadAG_ | loufoque, it's the interwebz, get used to it :P |
| 11:47.19 | tybollt_ | so nibbler/futurama |
| 11:47.27 | SpeedEvil | Or replace it with rickroll. |
| 11:47.31 | Milo- | jaska thanks :) |
| 11:47.36 | Shapeshifter | where's ifconfig? |
| 11:47.44 | MohammadAG_ | on the device |
| 11:47.48 | MohammadAG_ | not in user's path though |
| 11:47.49 | loufoque | Shapeshifter: /sbin |
| 11:47.53 | Shapeshifter | loufoque: thanks! |
| 11:47.56 | DrGrov | pigeon, damn straight I have confidence in our relationship :) |
| 11:48.05 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, now it is getting the firmware |
| 11:48.08 | sx0n | whereis ifconfig |
| 11:48.19 | SpeedEvil | <panto> |
| 11:48.25 | SpeedEvil | sx0n: Right behind you! |
| 11:48.26 | DrGrov | god damn! |
| 11:48.28 | SpeedEvil | </panto> |
| 11:48.28 | DrGrov | i am excited! |
| 11:48.29 | jaska | yay, dark grey works now \o/ |
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| 11:49.18 | DrGrov | god damn! |
| 11:49.23 | DrGrov | it seems like it halted.... |
| 11:49.31 | DrGrov | freaking things these updates |
| 11:49.49 | MohammadAG_ | told ya |
| 11:50.00 | DrGrov | my fiancee will kill me soon she said! |
| 11:50.02 | DrGrov | LOL |
| 11:50.09 | DrGrov | i am being paranoid about this update according to her |
| 11:50.13 | MohammadAG_ | <MohammadAG_> shit happens |
| 11:50.21 | sivang | DrGrov: she using the phone ? :) |
| 11:50.23 | ptl | dang, I just needed old mp-fremantle-002-pr... Could I get it from a previous FIASCO image? |
| 11:50.28 | DrGrov | sivang, yes. she is using the phone |
| 11:50.31 | pigeon | is there anything i should do before upgrading to 1.2 OTA? |
| 11:50.45 | sivang | DrGrov: hehe, tell her that's the thing in dog fooding. |
| 11:50.57 | pigeon | apart from backups, that is. is there something i should uninstall or disable first |
| 11:51.00 | pvanhoof | hmm |
| 11:51.05 | jaska | also, anyone else run into trouble trying to run the desktop environment in sbox when in fremantle_armel target? |
| 11:51.08 | DrGrov | sivang, trust me. you don't want to keep messing around when she is angry lol |
| 11:51.10 | pvanhoof | this new update tells me to use some piece of software on my PC |
| 11:51.15 | pvanhoof | what is this about? what software? |
| 11:51.39 | sivang | DrGrov: oh dear.I h one likethis, she's gone now :) |
| 11:51.42 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, will the update still keep my ringtone? |
| 11:52.01 | MohammadAG_ | LOL seriously mate |
| 11:52.54 | Appiah | :D |
| 11:52.54 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, what!? |
| 11:52.54 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, LOL |
| 11:52.55 | sivang | DrGrov: actualy there afix there for the ring tone slector on a crash I reported :) |
| 11:52.55 | MohammadAG_ | yes it will lol |
| 11:52.55 | sivang | heheh |
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| 11:52.57 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, perhaps I will revert back to a old god damn Nokia that has absolutely nothing? |
| 11:53.06 | DrGrov | WTF? Action failed.... Seriously |
| 11:53.18 | MohammadAG_ | It's called Operation not action |
| 11:53.22 | DrGrov | But still updating... |
| 11:53.23 | MohammadAG_ | Operation Failed |
| 11:53.26 | MohammadAG_ | your device will now reboot |
| 11:53.33 | DrGrov | Damn you Nooooookia1 |
| 11:53.34 | DrGrov | ! |
| 11:53.36 | DrGrov | lol |
| 11:53.37 | frals | and kabooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom |
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| 11:53.44 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, explodes! |
| 11:53.44 | zokier | so pr1.2 is out. is version "10.2010.19-1" pr1.2? |
| 11:53.45 | shiny_____ | dutifully explodes |
| 11:53.49 | pigeon | hmm now i get that "you must use the nokia software update application on your pc"... |
| 11:54.04 | Surfa | pigeon, that's solvable |
| 11:54.19 | DrGrov | god damn autolock |
| 11:54.27 | DrGrov | autolock can still be active without problems? |
| 11:54.31 | Surfa | pigeon, most likely you have certain applications there that would create dependency problems |
| 11:54.38 | zokier | this feels bit buggy so i was wondering if i accidentally installed some beta or something |
| 11:54.48 | Surfa | pigeon, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=677105&postcount=12 check for those applications |
| 11:54.49 | DrGrov | should i just ignore the autolock and let the device work as normal? |
| 11:55.43 | Surfa | MohammadAG_, it appears to print that error message once or twice during update, don't know why, but upgrade seems to work anyway |
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| 11:56.49 | DrGrov | god damn this upgrade is slooow |
| 11:57.13 | ivan4th | did anyone try to install PR1.2 on repartitioned N900? |
| 11:57.31 | DrGrov | any need to add new repositories after the PR 1.2 update? |
| 11:58.22 | SpeedEvil | ivan4th: I have reparttitioned my mydocs to 5G size, and added a 'data' partition of 25G |
| 11:58.26 | SpeedEvil | ivan4th: no issues |
| 11:58.35 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I added the SDK ones. |
| 11:58.41 | SpeedEvil | But that's because I'm wierd. |
| 11:58.47 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil, ok. lol :) |
| 11:58.55 | ivan4th | I have /usr on eMMC |
| 11:59.09 | SpeedEvil | ivan4th: I would expect that to much more likely have problems. |
| 11:59.17 | SpeedEvil | ivan4th: Back up, and prepare to reflash |
| 11:59.24 | ivan4th | My device survived PR1.0.1 and PR1.1 upgrades (though it needed some intervention) |
| 11:59.25 | DrGrov | will be interesting to see what is new in PR 1.2 |
| 11:59.42 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Annoyingly, my three top bugs were not addressed. |
| 11:59.56 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil, what were those 3 bugs? |
| 11:59.56 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 |
| 11:59.57 | povbot` | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) |
| 12:00.09 | zokier | so far 1.2 has been a disappointment here |
| 12:00.15 | kirma | huh? |
| 12:00.24 | DrGrov | zokier, nothing new and nice then? :( |
| 12:00.25 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9827 |
| 12:00.25 | povbot` | Bug 9827: Blocks should have highscore |
| 12:00.33 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 |
| 12:00.33 | povbot` | Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug |
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| 12:01.45 | zokier | DrGrov, yet to see anything nice, but have been using just few hours for now |
| 12:01.50 | DrGrov | zokier, ok. |
| 12:01.52 | noobmonk3y | expected free porn with 1.2 oh well.......... |
| 12:02.03 | noobmonk3y | ooo lunchtime............ |
| 12:02.06 | SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y: It has MrHands. |
| 12:02.10 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, how can I be sure that there will be no probolems? |
| 12:02.17 | DrGrov | MohammadAG_, *problems |
| 12:02.24 | noobmonk3y_afk | lol SpeedEvil |
| 12:02.37 | SpeedEvil | It worked just fine for me - the over-the-air |
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| 12:02.58 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil, no problems with contacts being separated in two different names ? |
| 12:03.04 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 12:03.14 | SpeedEvil | I have about 8 contacts. |
| 12:03.18 | SpeedEvil | They all look OK |
| 12:03.24 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil, i have 2 numbers for many people but kept as one contact. |
| 12:03.28 | SpeedEvil | I do not make heavy use of the calling features of the phone |
| 12:03.35 | SpeedEvil | and none have 2 numbers |
| 12:03.46 | Lazy^ | Hello, i'm trying to chmod +x chroot.sh as root |
| 12:03.47 | DrGrov | ok. i do make since it is impossible not too because of my work |
| 12:03.58 | Lazy^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.00 | chadi | I flashed, but didn't even loose the msn-pecan merging. That's great |
| 12:04.08 | SpeedEvil | Lazy^: you cannot make anything execute on the MyDocs partition, as it is vfat. |
| 12:04.26 | Lazy^ | ahh |
| 12:04.33 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.34 | alterego | Okay, maybe I spoke too soon, I can actually see all the GLES includes and libs in the sysroot, so I should be able to develop using the Nokia Qt SDK .. |
| 12:04.56 | DrGrov | god damn this update is slow |
| 12:05.30 | DrGrov | i think i will go down to 1 workspace. |
| 12:06.24 | DrGrov | how about keeping my encrypted WLAN settings? that is possible? |
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| 12:07.41 | kirma | ehm. I don't see geotags at all on my n900 photos after PR1.2 upgrade... |
| 12:08.27 | Appiah | is it enabled? |
| 12:08.51 | Appiah | I remeber disabling this when I was asked.. |
| 12:08.52 | Trewas | OTA update started with "Operation failed" here too, but it still seems to be going on... |
| 12:08.58 | Appiah | dunno where to enable it |
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| 12:09.19 | RST38h | Aha, it just killed my cell connection |
| 12:09.25 | RST38h | Must be upgrading cellmo! |
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| 12:12.55 | ptl | p-p-pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase |
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| 12:12.59 | ptl | anyone has mp-fremantle-002-pr from PR1.1.1? |
| 12:13.01 | X-Fade | ptl: just flash your device? |
| 12:13.18 | ptl | X-Fade: I want the safest way |
| 12:13.28 | X-Fade | ptl: That is the safest way :) |
| 12:13.38 | Corsac | Trewas: âoperation failedâ seems to be spit when going to offline mode |
| 12:13.45 | ptl | Why didn't Nokia let the older version stay there? |
| 12:13.54 | X-Fade | ptl: it does. |
| 12:14.02 | Talus_Laptop | greetings |
| 12:14.05 | ptl | where? can I download it somewhere? |
| 12:14.07 | SpeedEvil | ptl: get the old image, extract it with flasher, ... |
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| 12:14.17 | Talus_Laptop | anyone here from esbox project? |
| 12:14.23 | X-Fade | ptl: Flashing takes 10 seconds, why bother? |
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| 12:14.43 | cehteh | whats the package name that provides the pr1.2 update in apt? |
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| 12:16.13 | ptl | cehteh: if you use global, mp-fremantle-generic-pr and if you use US mp-fremantle-002-pr |
| 12:16.46 | cehteh | thanks |
| 12:17.29 | ptl | X-Fade: flasher-3.5 -u RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin ? is that how I extract the PR1.1.1 image? |
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| 12:18.39 | MohammadAG | ptl, no |
| 12:18.47 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -F image.bin -u |
| 12:19.01 | MohammadAG | you forgot the -f |
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| 12:19.06 | MohammadAG | -F* |
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| 12:19.26 | F66F | hi |
| 12:19.37 | F66F | is there an way to geht 1.2 without an PC? |
| 12:19.53 | ptl | I did it... no .deb's, only rootfs and such |
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| 12:20.01 | SpeedEvil | It should update automatically F66F |
| 12:20.01 | Wolfie | wifi or 3g on the device itself works well |
| 12:20.05 | ptl | it will take some time :/ |
| 12:20.20 | SpeedEvil | ptl: you get a ~100M or so ubifs image misnamed as a jffs that you need to mount |
| 12:20.25 | F66F | the device Asced 4 an cp connection |
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| 12:20.36 | kevloral | Hi all |
| 12:20.57 | Scelt | F66F: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 12:21.08 | F66F | thx |
| 12:21.13 | Scelt | np |
| 12:21.21 | Scelt | 12:30:23 < hrw> /t Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: |
| 12:21.25 | Scelt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.29 | Scelt | 12:30:29 < hrw> can someone with @? |
| 12:21.42 | pigeon | hmm is talk.maemo.org down for anyone? |
| 12:21.53 | Scelt | yes |
| 12:21.56 | Scelt | seems so |
| 12:22.04 | Corsac | same here |
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| 12:22.05 | pigeon | or really really slow... |
| 12:22.08 | Appiah | what's "OTA" ? |
| 12:22.09 | Corsac | maybe they are upgrading it to pr1.2 |
| 12:22.14 | Corsac | Appiah: âover the airâ |
| 12:22.19 | X-Fade | ~ota |
| 12:22.21 | infobot | hmm... ota is ssu |
| 12:22.25 | Wolfie | :D |
| 12:22.27 | Appiah | ~ssu |
| 12:22.28 | infobot | i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 12:22.28 | X-Fade | ;) |
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| 12:22.53 | fraggeln | Is there anyway to resize / on a n900? |
| 12:23.01 | Talus_Laptop | greetings |
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| 12:23.15 | X-Fade | fraggeln: Yes, but only smaller. |
| 12:23.15 | fraggeln | I only have like 33mb left on /. its a bit hard to patch to the latest maemo then :/ |
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| 12:23.32 | X-Fade | fraggeln: As it is the size of the physical chip. |
| 12:23.33 | Talus_Laptop | anyone here using esbox ide ? |
| 12:23.48 | X-Fade | fraggeln: disable extras and extras-devel, should save enough. |
| 12:23.49 | fraggeln | X-Fade: my / is only 256mb, and the update is 136mb |
| 12:24.01 | phellarv | fraggeln: Do a reflash = Problem solved |
| 12:24.06 | MohammadAG | is there any way to use sudo in the SDK? |
| 12:24.06 | SpeedEvil | fraggeln: wfm with 50M free |
| 12:24.08 | X-Fade | fraggeln: That doesn't matter, it needs a bit under 50MB to work with. |
| 12:24.12 | fraggeln | phellarv: reflash? |
| 12:24.13 | MohammadAG | (or chroot) |
| 12:24.27 | ptl | [root@ubuntola ~]# mount -o loop,ro -t ubifs /dados/n900/x/rootfs.jffs2 /mnt/tmp |
| 12:24.29 | ptl | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 12:24.41 | SpeedEvil | ptl: it's not that simple |
| 12:24.43 | Stskeeps | ptl: ubifs only works in a mtd environment |
| 12:24.54 | ptl | so... how would I mount it? |
| 12:25.01 | MohammadAG | ptl, see X86's post |
| 12:25.06 | SpeedEvil | Bets on how long compiling the kernel will take on the phone? |
| 12:25.10 | SpeedEvil | Started 13:22 |
| 12:25.13 | ptl | MohammadAG: which one? which url? |
| 12:25.16 | phellarv | fraggeln: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing |
| 12:25.39 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554 |
| 12:26.14 | MohammadAG | btw tmo seems down |
| 12:26.27 | pigeon | Surfa: hmm, that didn't help... maybe i need to uninstall some package that is not listed there... |
| 12:27.10 | Surfa | libgles1-img-sgx |
| 12:27.12 | Surfa | maybe? |
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| 12:27.32 | F66F | apt tells me about 1080 not upgraded packages Oo |
| 12:27.48 | fraggeln | annoying. I cant upgrade using the Nokia Software Updater. |
| 12:28.03 | fraggeln | nor using the application manager in the device |
| 12:28.10 | F66F | fraggeln: y? |
| 12:28.18 | cehteh | bah .. drat .. ota update still doesnt work |
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| 12:32.13 | ptl | X-Fade: I gave up, I'm flashing it |
| 12:32.26 | ptl | only combined image |
| 12:32.39 | ptl | do I need to take the battery out? |
| 12:33.51 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|afk, pong? |
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| 12:34.49 | MohammadAG | ptl, follow the instructions |
| 12:34.54 | Funnyface | yay the update is available in the reposies now :P |
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| 12:35.24 | Ikarus[N900] | huh, the pr1.2 update wants me to hook the phone to a pc ? |
| 12:35.39 | fraggeln | anyone wanna buy a n900? Im starting to hate it more and more. |
| 12:35.56 | Funnyface | fraggeln: what's wrong with it? :> |
| 12:36.27 | Funnyface | <Ikarus[N900]>huh, the pr1.2 update wants me to hook the phone to a pc ? |
| 12:36.36 | Funnyface | uhm.. apparently, it just wanted me to do the same thing -_- |
| 12:36.43 | cehteh | here too |
| 12:36.45 | fraggeln | Funnyface: lack of features, and now, impossible to upgrade to the latest maemo. |
| 12:36.53 | cehteh | thats caused by some dependencies of installed software |
| 12:36.55 | xorAxAx | hmm, apt-get upgrade doesnt work with PR 1.2 :-( |
| 12:36.57 | Scelt | fraggeln Funnyface Ikarus[N900]: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 12:37.14 | X-Fade | xorAxAx: It isn't supposed to. |
| 12:37.14 | cehteh | i am now surgically upgrading it with apt and some hacks |
| 12:37.17 | Bluewind | xorAxAx: what doesn't? |
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| 12:37.31 | Bluewind | so far apt-get works here |
| 12:37.31 | xorAxAx | Bluewind: it reboots the device directly |
| 12:37.42 | X-Fade | If you upgrade with apt,you will have less space on your root when done. |
| 12:37.47 | cehteh | xorAxAx: when? |
| 12:37.54 | xorAxAx | cehteh: after downloading |
| 12:37.58 | cehteh | ah |
| 12:37.58 | Bluewind | well how else should I do it? |
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| 12:38.04 | xorAxAx | at least it did for me, watchdogs got active |
| 12:38.15 | Bluewind | ham doesn't want to |
| 12:38.19 | cehteh | HAM ... but well its broken |
| 12:38.29 | RST38h | epic fail |
| 12:38.42 | RST38h | root fs all used up, installation crashed |
| 12:38.48 | Bluewind | and for nsu: I don't have windows machines here |
| 12:38.54 | Trewas | damn updated nokia maps in pr1.2 still does not have option to lock direction of north (to prevent it from spinning randomly) and the old fix does not work anymore |
| 12:39.15 | cehteh | deinstalled some conflicting packages and symlinked the dpkg archive to /home to have some space and now apt-get upgrading |
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| 12:39.24 | defragger | is there a goog howto, to port a debian package to maemo? |
| 12:39.56 | cehteh | 25 secs remaining for download ... |
| 12:39.57 | RST38h | cehteh: I do not see any normal N900 user doing that |
| 12:39.58 | cehteh | lets see |
| 12:40.02 | Funnyface | hmm I thought the update would be installed the same way as the previous one |
| 12:40.05 | cehteh | RST38h: yes thats pain |
| 12:40.07 | RST38h | doing apt-get install -f now |
| 12:40.11 | Funnyface | oh well I guess it is time for a fresh start anyway |
| 12:40.18 | Funnyface | haven't flashed the device since I got it :P |
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| 12:40.23 | thresh | RST38h: haha, failed for me. |
| 12:40.25 | cehteh | blame nokia (again) |
| 12:40.47 | cehteh | well 1.2 is likely the last thing i take from nokia i plan to divert anyways .. |
| 12:40.54 | RST38h | thresh: Well, I moved the apt-get cache to MyDocs |
| 12:41.04 | RST38h | thresh: still managed to fill / though |
| 12:41.11 | pupnik | same here RST38h |
| 12:41.13 | Bluewind | then move some more stuff |
| 12:41.16 | thresh | yup |
| 12:41.23 | fraggeln | yay! its upgrading.. :D |
| 12:41.23 | Shapeshifter | ham is still the same lame, slow garbage thing it was before though |
| 12:41.26 | thresh | nokia fails :( |
| 12:41.28 | fraggeln | any year now :) |
| 12:41.28 | RST38h | pupnik,thresh: install -f folks |
| 12:41.30 | cehteh | RST38h: HAM does some more tricks to prevent roof fs fill up |
| 12:41.42 | RST38h | cehteh: HAL fails installing this for me point blank |
| 12:41.46 | thresh | RST38h: yes, and it fills up FS. and then infinite loop of reboots. |
| 12:41.54 | cehteh | hehe |
| 12:41.57 | RST38h | thresh: no reboots for me yet |
| 12:42.03 | thresh | RST38h: wait and you will have those =) |
| 12:42.05 | MohammadAG | cehteh, the fact that it repropulates the whole list after each install sucks |
| 12:42.08 | pupnik | all done here it seems and no reboot |
| 12:42.10 | zokier | luckily i decided to flash the device instead |
| 12:42.10 | pigeon | Surfa: good catch, that's it, thanks, now i'm moving onto the not enough memory in target problem :) |
| 12:42.13 | MohammadAG | repopulates* |
| 12:42.23 | Bluewind | apt-get dist-upgrade currently running fine |
| 12:42.23 | cehteh | for me neither, but the download just completed and the optify runonce is installing |
| 12:42.45 | Surfa | pigeon, hehe :) good luck on that.. i don't have much experience there |
| 12:42.56 | Bluewind | locales take ages to install though :( |
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| 12:43.42 | cehteh | mhm forgot to rip out the uSD card with the backup .. i hope it wont touch it :P |
| 12:43.49 | Smokers | hey there, anyone from germany here?! |
| 12:43.53 | satmd | it wont |
| 12:44.00 | Bluewind | Smokers: nope but Austria |
| 12:44.09 | satmd | lol, german in austria here |
| 12:44.10 | skynets | N900 is dead |
| 12:44.12 | Smokers | mhh dont know if you can help me ;-) |
| 12:44.15 | skynets | nokia let it go |
| 12:44.24 | skynets | like other phones in the past |
| 12:44.29 | skynets | and people dont care |
| 12:44.41 | Smokers | i just tryed to update my n900 but it seems that the european / german update server from nokia are dead... |
| 12:44.41 | skynets | this time it was too early |
| 12:44.44 | Smokers | is that possible?! |
| 12:44.45 | pupnik | too many languages |
| 12:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | skynets, people care. |
| 12:44.57 | X-Fade | Smokers: no |
| 12:45.00 | GeneralAntilles | Problem is, too few people are left around because Nokia keeps abusing them. |
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| 12:45.26 | Smokers | mhh any suggestions about the problem X-Fade |
| 12:45.31 | Smokers | ? |
| 12:45.31 | cehteh | yeah .. i give a shit about nokia, 1.2 hopefully got a lot firmware and necessary fixes now, thanks nokia, now i part away doing my own stuff with the device |
| 12:45.36 | Bluewind | Smokers: what's the error? |
| 12:45.57 | zomg | Mine updated for 1.2 quite fine just a while ago |
| 12:46.06 | cehteh | Smokers: i just downloaded from the servers in germany |
| 12:46.07 | Smokers | Mhh The Nokia Software updater tried more than 3 times to reach the server |
| 12:46.27 | cehteh | well they use akamai, so that tells nothing |
| 12:46.31 | Smokers | or download. Maybe there is a error while establishing connection .. etc |
| 12:46.37 | Bluewind | ah guis not having usefull error messages right? |
| 12:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | finds it interesting there's no discussion of the Harmattan/N900 issue on Planet. |
| 12:47.14 | satmd | where would I look for rtcom logs? |
| 12:47.37 | Smokers | i can paste it in german ;P "Nokia Software Updater hat mehr als drei mal versucht , Ihre Software herunterzuladen. Möglicherweise ist ihre momentane Internetverbindung nicht stabil genug. Das Problem kann jedoch auch an unseren Servern liegen." |
| 12:47.37 | satmd | "network error" isn't helping me |
| 12:47.52 | Bluewind | anyone knows how to blacklist/remove/whatever the unused locales? there are some metapackages which prevent me from just uninstalling and I'm not used to apt |
| 12:48.03 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i think it's because people aren't update starved |
| 12:48.06 | satmd | versuch n pc neustart oder später nochmal, das kann auch einfach n routing oder dns-problem sein |
| 12:48.15 | cehteh | Bluewind: no localepurge package? |
| 12:48.23 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: with Diablo, it had been dead for a fair bit when it got announced n8x0 was hosed |
| 12:48.27 | MohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10291 wasn't this fixed? (I can't reproduce it) |
| 12:48.28 | povbot` | Bug 10291: Media widget play button doesn't work |
| 12:48.33 | Smokers | satmd ich versuchs seit 4 h,.. immer der gleiche error... okay kein neustart seitdem aber .. mh |
| 12:48.40 | Bluewind | cehteh: actually I want to prevent apt from wasting it's time |
| 12:48.49 | Smokers | satmd ich werd mal n reboot testen, danke.. die info das es an mir liegt is ja schonmal was |
| 12:48.51 | Bluewind | installing 20 locales takes ~ 1 min |
| 12:49.04 | fraggeln | anyone got a changelog for the latest update? |
| 12:49.05 | Bluewind | that multiplied by ~200 packages = ages |
| 12:49.05 | cehteh | Configuration file `/etc/init.d/rcS' |
| 12:49.06 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.06 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.10 | cehteh | haha nice :P |
| 12:49.25 | crs | Hi, anyone is having doubled contacts on the contacts list due to facebook? |
| 12:49.30 | Funnyface | oh so the reason I can't do the update is that the installer doesn't have enough space on the device? |
| 12:49.39 | Scelt | crs: everyone I think |
| 12:49.45 | cehteh | only 'd' for diff doesnt work since it has no diff installed by default .. bah |
| 12:49.47 | crs | I tried to resolve it by using facebook contacts merger by Marco, but it says all is OK. |
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| 12:51.16 | crs | Scelt: But only foir me that app is not working. ;/ |
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| 12:51.54 | ZogG | \o |
| 12:51.57 | Ikarus[N900] | hmz, manual apt-get dist-upgrade doing the trick |
| 12:52.17 | Bluewind | dist-upgrade install ~20 new packages |
| 12:52.25 | Bluewind | only upgrade wouldn't do that |
| 12:53.11 | Funnyface | whoever came up with the partitioning ideas of the N900 did a horrible job |
| 12:53.12 | Funnyface | :o |
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| 12:53.21 | RST38h | cehteh,thresh: I updated |
| 12:53.35 | cehteh | still running here, but seems fine so far |
| 12:53.35 | Bluewind | is that flash they use for / really faster than the one used for /home? |
| 12:53.38 | RST38h | cehteh,thresh:definitely not "painless" |
| 12:53.45 | cehteh | Bluewind: yes |
| 12:53.51 | Ikarus[N900] | Funnyface: it's due to the older webtablet's legacy really |
| 12:53.59 | Bluewind | how much? any numbers? |
| 12:54.07 | Ikarus[N900] | Bluewind: yes |
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| 12:54.14 | RST38h | More like "our plane is going to crash, take proper positions, shut up and pray" |
| 12:54.40 | Funnyface | well they should have allocated less space for MyDocs and more for the system partitions :P |
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| 12:55.23 | Ikarus[N900] | hacks a little script to see what packages use most space on / |
| 12:55.42 | Scelt | advices Ikarus[N900] just to use Storage Usage app |
| 12:55.55 | Bluewind | cd /; du -shx *; excludes symlinks but not bind mounts |
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| 12:56.26 | Bluewind | or actually mounts |
| 12:56.29 | ghostcube | OTA worked fine yeah |
| 12:56.36 | Bluewind | i.e. /home will show up as used space |
| 12:56.44 | thresh | RST38h: you lucky guy |
| 12:56.47 | lcuk | i wonder why theres a whole bunch of people who say theres better formatting and layout methods yet have not managed to come up with a convincing plan of action to migrate ;) |
| 12:56.47 | Shapeshifter | gah |
| 12:57.01 | Bluewind | ota? |
| 12:57.12 | fraggeln | yay! upgrade complete :) |
| 12:57.12 | ghostcube | repo update without flashing |
| 12:57.12 | thresh | because they shouldnt and nokia shouldve though about it in the first place? |
| 12:57.20 | Shapeshifter | They changed something on the desktop widgets, now the settings button is lower than before. Now I can't move around very small desktop command execution widgets |
| 12:57.21 | jaska | aah, looks like i can remove the HildonPanninArea indicator in my xterm and reclaim valuable spaaaccee |
| 12:57.31 | Bluewind | k |
| 12:57.36 | ghostcube | :) |
| 12:57.37 | jaska | s/annin/anning/ |
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| 12:59.27 | Shapeshifter | Is there a config file for the positions of widgets? |
| 12:59.36 | Shapeshifter | I need to edit it by hand |
| 12:59.50 | Bluewind | probably they use gconf |
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| 13:00.32 | MohammadAG | frals, some users aren't happy :P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53806 |
| 13:00.51 | tybollt_ | will 'users' ever be happy? |
| 13:01.44 | cehteh | rootfs 227.8M 216.2M 7.4M 97% / |
| 13:01.48 | cehteh | ... cross fingers |
| 13:02.33 | adeus | tybollt_: http://www.moosegoods.com/Images/products/Clothing/13040-Beatings-Navy.jpg |
| 13:02.36 | Funnyface | aah stupid me, I was copying stuff from my home directory to a backup folder on my PC, then half way through I forgot I was doing and decided to "aah, let me switch on the phone that I just turned off" and messed up the copying process -_- |
| 13:02.43 | Funnyface | have to start over now with several GBs :p |
| 13:03.16 | Funnyface | (instead of turning the phone on, I turned it off, thinking it was already off) |
| 13:03.17 | crs | Funnyface: Use rsync. |
| 13:03.33 | Funnyface | I don't trust automatic backup tools :P |
| 13:03.47 | frosty` | rsync is not just a backup tool.. |
| 13:03.49 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, maybe once they realize how flaky the update is. |
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| 13:04.31 | RST38h | did not even have to reinstall applications |
| 13:04.45 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: what issue? |
| 13:04.59 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: "no official meego for n900"? |
| 13:05.00 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter, regression city. |
| 13:05.06 | Shapeshifter | ah |
| 13:05.11 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter, oh, yeah, that. |
| 13:05.13 | crs | Hmm, noone had any problems with facebook merger? |
| 13:05.18 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: I mean what you said earlier |
| 13:05.45 | ptl | bah :/ restoring lots of stuff now |
| 13:06.14 | cehteh | hehe prolly coming for me too |
| 13:06.59 | ptl | at least I saved my settings using the backup app |
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| 13:08.38 | cehteh | ok update done |
| 13:08.54 | mece | What the shit? is there no function to replace or remove an item in a hildon.TouchSelector? |
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| 13:09.33 | cehteh | reboot ... |
| 13:09.36 | Smokers | satmd noch da? leider keinen erfolg |
| 13:09.53 | Surfa | keinen erfolg bei was? |
| 13:10.05 | Smokers | reboot, neuinstallation nokia software updater |
| 13:10.24 | Smokers | und anschließendem versuch neue firmware zu laden |
| 13:10.30 | defragger | is there a good howto, for porting debian packages to maemo? |
| 13:10.31 | cehteh | Smokers: you have to tell a precise error, just telling "doesnt work" wont help |
| 13:10.35 | ghostcube | Smokers: OTA update geht nich? |
| 13:10.37 | mgedmin | this is probably a FAQ, but what's the deal with extras-devel for fremantle-1.2? |
| 13:10.40 | Surfa | Smokers, was sagt app manager? |
| 13:11.01 | DrGrov | Does anyone with PR 1.2 think it boots up faster than with PR 1.1? |
| 13:11.23 | cehteh | just boots here ... doesnt look faster yet |
| 13:11.25 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, seems like the settings were okay. No worries there |
| 13:11.33 | cehteh | well first flashed the kernel |
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| 13:11.54 | DrGrov | It seems like the "bootup" bar goes a bit faster. Not just from left to right but simultaneously right and left. |
| 13:11.57 | Smokers | Ich mach ma englisch... The exact error is :" Updatedownload was failed - NSU tryied more than 3 times to download the update. Maybe your internet connection is not stable. Please try again later" |
| 13:11.59 | ghostcube | if you backup settings and after ota clean up device its fine here |
| 13:12.14 | DrGrov | Be back later, gotta run. |
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| 13:12.35 | passeli|w | anyone knows what is the gps device name in N900 ? |
| 13:12.41 | cehteh | wee .. somethnig gone horrible wrong |
| 13:12.42 | mgedmin | ok, apparently Distribution is supposed to be 'fremantle' not 'fremantle-1.2' |
| 13:12.44 | Smokers | Is there a difference between updateing from nokia software updater and from the app manager?! |
| 13:13.00 | ham5 | yup |
| 13:13.09 | Smokers | wich one ;-)?! |
| 13:13.13 | cehteh | the pin screen looks like a completely unthemed gtk with no font (all boxes) |
| 13:13.16 | ham5 | figured ud ask that |
| 13:13.19 | ham5 | shouold of in the first place |
| 13:13.22 | mgedmin | Smokers, you mean, firmware update? yes, update from NSU will wipe your device clean; update from app manager will preserve all apps and data |
| 13:14.06 | cehteh | bah .. bricked it .. |
| 13:14.14 | Ikarus | well, looks like I broke it |
| 13:14.14 | Smokers | okay,.. thx mgedmin. i would like to have a clear device, so a update from NSU would be great,.. but seems that will be a hard trip |
| 13:14.15 | Ikarus | meh |
| 13:14.29 | ham5 | godda 'login' to your n900 when it 'boots'? |
| 13:14.43 | Ikarus | and ofcourse no USB A -> micro B cable handy |
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| 13:15.12 | Ikarus | mine hits the desktop |
| 13:15.17 | Ikarus | then spontaneously reboots |
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| 13:15.31 | X-Fade | Smokers: You can also try flashing without nsu. |
| 13:15.44 | X-Fade | Smokers: Check the planet for an article on how to do that. |
| 13:16.39 | Smokers | mh okay,.. that will be much harder right ?! -.- i could be so easy.... T_T |
| 13:16.41 | Ikarus | guess I'll have to reinstall everything |
| 13:16.53 | RST38h | Ok, physical keyboard STILL does not switch the layout when pressing Ctrl+Enter |
| 13:17.54 | ghostcube | ok, question: do i need to set extra and extra devel to fremantle-1.2? |
| 13:17.58 | ghostcube | manually? |
| 13:18.23 | X-Fade | ghostcube: Only extras has fremantle-1.2 |
| 13:18.41 | ZogG | BBT is great |
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| 13:19.01 | ghostcube | X-Fade: thx a lot |
| 13:19.04 | cehteh | grr .. what was the page to get the flash images? ... |
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| 13:20.09 | jacekowski | just google it |
| 13:20.10 | andrewfblack | according to this guy http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364160,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03079TX1K0000585 the Dell Mini 5 and he might as well said Nokia 770 and N8x0 are not tablets. Because they are smaller then an ipad and have a mic and speakers. I just lose the little repect I had for PCmag |
| 13:20.25 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 13:20.36 | Stskeeps | wtf does mic and speakers have to do with it |
| 13:20.46 | Stskeeps | reality distortion field indeed |
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| 13:23.04 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: They are calling anything smaller then a ipad or Hp Slate with a mic and speaker a phone not a tablet. Doesn't matter if it has Cell Voice on it or not |
| 13:23.07 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 13:23.39 | Dassu | hmm, any ideas when is the 1.2 gonna be released in Finland? |
| 13:23.39 | MohammadAG | anyone on fedora and using gnome? |
| 13:23.58 | noobmonk3y | Dassu: today supposedly |
| 13:24.07 | Dassu | yeah, I know that but at what time? |
| 13:24.09 | noobmonk3y | at some point :P |
| 13:24.15 | Dassu | :( |
| 13:24.16 | noobmonk3y | Dassu: really think they give times out? lol |
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| 13:24.37 | Dassu | I hope they fix the wlan bug |
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| 13:24.50 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: no but there's a gnome in left4dead 2 thats quite cool |
| 13:25.02 | noobmonk3y | whats the wlan bug? |
| 13:25.07 | noobmonk3y | there is a full list of fixes though |
| 13:25.12 | Bluewind | Dassu: IÃm from Austria, but my device also installs Finnish locales so I guess it's out |
| 13:25.15 | MohammadAG | lolwtf |
| 13:25.28 | RST38h | Anyone knows how I switch to portrait mode in PR1.2 apps? |
| 13:25.28 | Trewas | Dassu: it was released about at noon as OTA |
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| 13:25.55 | noobmonk3y | Bluewind / Dassu - there are multiple servers / locations - all depends when they are updated to roll out |
| 13:26.01 | MohammadAG | 17831 1 user S 5988 2.4 58.2 /usr/libexec/hildon-thumbnailerd <-- what exactly is this for |
| 13:26.02 | cehteh | whats new on the emmc image btw? |
| 13:26.15 | MohammadAG | User guides!!! |
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| 13:26.19 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 13:26.42 | achipa | RST38h: crt-shift-r ? |
| 13:26.46 | Dassu | omagod. It found it :o |
| 13:26.51 | achipa | (if you mean the forced switch) |
| 13:26.55 | MohammadAG | ignore my question above, whatever that process was, no longer is |
| 13:27.22 | ZogG | MohammadAG now try photo apps |
| 13:27.39 | Ikarus | right, it's stuck in a reboot loop... |
| 13:27.40 | Ikarus | meh |
| 13:27.43 | RST38h | achipa: testing |
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| 13:27.58 | ZogG | Ikarus reflashing? |
| 13:28.01 | RST38h | fuck it works |
| 13:28.05 | achipa | :) |
| 13:28.07 | Ikarus | goes to the local shop for a new USB-A micro-B cable |
| 13:28.08 | noobmonk3y | Dassu: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 13:28.11 | ghostcube | ok i think it was asked before, but is skype video call supported? |
| 13:28.18 | achipa | depends on the app, really |
| 13:28.23 | ZogG | RST38h, what works? |
| 13:28.24 | noobmonk3y | ghostcube: yes |
| 13:28.29 | ghostcube | cool |
| 13:28.33 | noobmonk3y | i think |
| 13:28.33 | achipa | ZogG: forced universal portrait |
| 13:28.35 | ZogG | Ikarus, you don't have one? |
| 13:28.45 | MohammadAG | RST38h, watch your language, it's a fscking family channel |
| 13:28.48 | ZogG | achipa, screenies? |
| 13:29.00 | noobmonk3y | ghostcube: PR1.2 update - first on the list - Skype video call (with PC and other skype video capable clients) |
| 13:29.02 | ZogG | achipa, or it's CTRL+SHIFT+R |
| 13:29.09 | achipa | ctrl-shift-r |
| 13:29.15 | Ikarus | ZogG: yeah, tactically misplaced it :P |
| 13:29.25 | ZogG | achipa, meh |
| 13:29.28 | Ikarus | ZogG: stupid cables are pretty under used |
| 13:29.36 | Ikarus | even though technically superior |
| 13:29.37 | achipa | for some stuff it's perfect, some (like nokia default apps ;) ) it's pretty bad |
| 13:29.38 | ZogG | =( |
| 13:29.58 | Ikarus | so I'm off shopping in a bit |
| 13:30.05 | ghostcube | noobmonk3y: thx :) |
| 13:30.06 | ZogG | MohammadAG, so try to open photo thing |
| 13:30.08 | ZogG | or file folder |
| 13:30.34 | noobmonk3y | ghostcube: no probs at all :) |
| 13:31.13 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it works |
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| 13:31.28 | ghostcube | noobmonk3y: ota worked fine backupped all before cleaned up the dvice after |
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| 13:31.33 | ghostcube | restored backup works fine here |
| 13:32.04 | Shapeshifter | how to configure the new menu? |
| 13:32.07 | kaie | am I the first who semi-bricked his n900 with today's maemo5 update? it constantly reboots, and brings up some weird grey dialog for 2 seconds |
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| 13:32.13 | ghostcube | wah sshd applet is gone ;( |
| 13:32.15 | Scelt | Shapeshifter: push hard |
| 13:32.33 | Shapeshifter | Scelt: thanks |
| 13:32.38 | Scelt | Shapeshifter: for 2-3 secs. it asks then where you want to move that icon |
| 13:32.43 | Scelt | np :] |
| 13:32.49 | ghostcube | hmmm the best way is to use xterm and apt for an ota update |
| 13:33.00 | noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooo |
| 13:33.05 | noobmonk3y | good to hear ghostcube |
| 13:33.12 | MohammadAG | votes for a ban, who seconds that http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53813 |
| 13:33.21 | kaie | I used over the air update |
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| 13:33.45 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: i vote for a slap round the chops with a trout |
| 13:33.52 | cehteh | kaie: no you are not .. |
| 13:34.08 | cehteh | mine didnt reboot but other thnigs are broken, i am going to reflash now |
| 13:34.19 | Scelt | http://www.josefrichter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Perhaps-the-best-legal-typo-of-all-time.jpg :-D |
| 13:34.36 | ZogG | MohammadAG, wierd |
| 13:34.38 | kaie | will flashing erase all contents of the internal 32gb storage? |
| 13:34.59 | ghostcube | not home |
| 13:35.10 | kaie | ok that's good |
| 13:35.28 | ZogG | kaie no. but you should do backup for contacts and calendar |
| 13:35.47 | thresh | Scelt: lol |
| 13:35.58 | noobmonk3y | Scelt: legal typo? |
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| 13:36.01 | noobmonk3y | am i blind? |
| 13:36.06 | kaie | ZogG, I did a backup prior to attempting the over-the-air-update, which semi-bricked it |
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| 13:36.08 | cehteh | kaie: do *not* flash emmc .. |
| 13:36.11 | ZogG | kaie until it's not eMMC flash |
| 13:36.12 | Scelt | noobmonk3y: in the middle chapter |
| 13:36.32 | noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 13:36.33 | ZogG | kaie have you turned off all the extra repos? |
| 13:36.33 | kaie | ok. /me starts to read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:36.34 | noobmonk3y | ok seen it! |
| 13:37.15 | kaie | ZogG, I had extras-devel enabled when I attempted the update |
| 13:37.53 | cehteh | i turned them off still broken |
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| 13:38.08 | cehteh | well possibly because of other changes i did |
| 13:38.10 | ZogG | kaie any error? |
| 13:38.28 | ZogG | kaie, can you turn it on? |
| 13:38.57 | cehteh | dont let the battery run empty btw .. you want some charge for flashing |
| 13:39.07 | kaie | ZogG, yeah, I said it above. The device no longer works. It is constantly rebooting, showing nokia text, then bringing up a grey broken dialog (might be the enter pin dialog), but after 2 seconds, before I can do anything else, it reboots again |
| 13:39.24 | ZogG | kaie flash it |
| 13:39.25 | kaie | The usb cable will provide charge |
| 13:39.27 | kaie | yes |
| 13:40.18 | ZogG | kaie, d oyou have at least half battery? |
| 13:40.36 | ZogG | my turtle driving me crazy |
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| 13:41.14 | ZogG | HIMYM FTW!!!! |
| 13:41.20 | kaie | my battery was full when I started the upgrade. but now, how would I know? :-) |
| 13:41.30 | Ikarus | hrm, there is no way to access the MyDocs partition when it's stuck in a reboot loop right ?, I can only hope that just flash root will allow me to access it ? (just spotted a few files missing in my backup) |
| 13:41.35 | ZogG | kaie go for it |
| 13:41.48 | noobmonk3y | Ikarus: it shouldn't touch the mydocs :P so should be fine |
| 13:41.55 | noobmonk3y | i think |
| 13:43.14 | cehteh | yesterday was towel day .. today is flash your n900 day :) |
| 13:43.26 | cehteh | just flashed it |
| 13:43.28 | ham5 | dont forget to bring a towel |
| 13:43.31 | MohammadAG | now he's pushing it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53802 |
| 13:44.20 | satmd | is unable to use icq/y!/aim since today |
| 13:44.34 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: have you taken up troll-hunting as a new hobby? |
| 13:44.40 | satmd | "extended settings" come up empty |
| 13:44.56 | Ikarus | satmd: yeah, some other users reported that the extra protocol handlers had some issues |
| 13:45.05 | satmd | do have any pointers for me? |
| 13:45.09 | cehteh | mhm .. how long is it supposed to stick with the oooOo dots when booting? |
| 13:45.20 | noobmonk3y | 5 secs'ish |
| 13:45.22 | thresh | it stuck for me and i had to reboot |
| 13:45.28 | cehteh | ok was 50 secs here |
| 13:45.31 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 13:45.40 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, yeah, the damn bastards tricked me, it doesn't come with a shotgun |
| 13:45.48 | noobmonk3y | hahaha |
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| 13:46.28 | cehteh | next question: can pr1.2 mount ext3 emmc and uSD now? .. i bet not |
| 13:46.48 | MohammadAG | you won the bet |
| 13:46.54 | MohammadAG | just edit rcS-late |
| 13:47.02 | cehteh | yes i did .. before |
| 13:47.06 | cehteh | now i flashed :) |
| 13:48.01 | MohammadAG | just edit rcS-late again |
| 13:48.10 | MohammadAG | PR 1.2 music not showing up <-- was music updated? |
| 13:48.27 | ZogG | MohammadAG say what? |
| 13:48.38 | MohammadAG | nvm |
| 13:48.42 | ZogG | MohammadAG, sometimes happens - just restart |
| 13:49.33 | cehteh | bah great .. i flashed 1.1.1 .. fail :P |
| 13:49.40 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: lol |
| 13:49.43 | MohammadAG | nah, was making fun of the thread title |
| 13:49.47 | noobmonk3y | failboat express *toot* *toooooot* |
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| 13:50.45 | MohammadAG | hopes MeeGo gets released soon |
| 13:50.56 | MohammadAG | we can offload the trolls to the other forums :P |
| 13:51.59 | cehteh | gets used to flashing :) |
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| 13:52.05 | satmd | oh btw pr1.2 ota worked fine here |
| 13:52.06 | ZogG | MohammadAG tomorrow |
| 13:52.07 | kaie | wow, lots of choices for the firmware image. I'm in Germany, so I guess I want the "Latest Global", PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 |
| 13:52.15 | satmd | yes |
| 13:52.28 | ZogG | MohammadAG, you gonna stick to maemo? |
| 13:52.44 | cehteh | is there a tool to backup the whole device image (nand and emmc) as a flashable imagee? would be a nice backup because its fast |
| 13:52.44 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 13:53.13 | ZogG | cehteh connect it and backup it |
| 13:53.14 | cehteh | kaie: yes and not 3.2010 .. :) |
| 13:55.18 | fiferboy | X-Fade: ping? |
| 13:55.27 | X-Fade | fiferboy: here |
| 13:55.54 | fiferboy | X-Fade: If I put a new package in the autobuilder now, is it still available in the non-PR1.2 repos? |
| 13:56.21 | X-Fade | Only once it reaches Extras, it is separated. |
| 13:56.40 | X-Fade | The cutoff for Extras will have to happen soon(ish) |
| 13:57.07 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Ok. I need to put a package upgrade in extras-devel but it won't work on non-PR1.2 devices |
| 13:57.27 | fiferboy | I guess my best bet is to make it work for both? Or is PR<1.2 going to be dropped soon? |
| 13:57.31 | X-Fade | extras-devel is considered trunk at this point ;) |
| 13:58.00 | X-Fade | So if you want to run apps from there, you need to run latest released. |
| 13:58.48 | fiferboy | Ok. I am changing personal-gprs-mon to use the two separate data counters so it will no longer work for PR1.1 |
| 13:59.38 | X-Fade | fiferboy: You can depend on a PR1.2 version or higher of a certain lib to make sure it doesn't run on 1.1. |
| 14:00.06 | kaie | ZogG, cehteh, it's back to life. question, is this PR1.2 a stable release, or did not originate from extras-devel? |
| 14:00.07 | fiferboy | X-Fade: But it will still show up as an update in PR1.1 extras-devel? |
| 14:00.15 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Yes |
| 14:00.16 | fiferboy | It just won't be able to be installed |
| 14:00.25 | thresh | ugly :( |
| 14:00.28 | X-Fade | Yes |
| 14:00.41 | X-Fade | But I didn't design AM :) |
| 14:00.47 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Can you take the version of personal-gprs-mon 0.6-2 out of the autobuilder? |
| 14:00.51 | kaie | ... typo... s/not/it/ |
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| 14:01.17 | cehteh | kaie: thats an offical nokia update extras is community based |
| 14:01.32 | fiferboy | X-Fade: I want to make a change in 0.6-2 so it won't screw up PR1.1 data counters |
| 14:01.55 | kaie | cehteh, k thanks. /me tries restore from backup |
| 14:02.01 | satmd | Ikarus: thanks, got it by removing those accounts, reinstalling the protocols and setting up them again |
| 14:02.07 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Just increase the version? |
| 14:02.08 | ZogG | X-Fade fiferboy that's the time for ugly own repos =) |
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| 14:02.38 | fiferboy | X-Fade: As long as nobody installs 0.6-2 while I am preparing 0.6-3 :) |
| 14:02.44 | ZogG | haha |
| 14:02.55 | ZogG | fiferboy i gonna install it |
| 14:03.00 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Hurry up then ;) |
| 14:03.05 | ZogG | no bugs were closed |
| 14:03.19 | RST38h | wow, filemanager goes portrait now |
| 14:03.31 | ZogG | already got 3 bugs that were marked as closed |
| 14:03.42 | ZogG | RST38h, ut it's ugly |
| 14:03.47 | RST38h | ZogG: Cyrillic keyboard still does not work |
| 14:03.56 | Shapeshifter | wtf. since when is pkill hildon-desktop a reason for rebooting -.- |
| 14:04.02 | ZogG | RST38h, where? |
| 14:04.23 | RST38h | ZogG: Add Russian as the second language and click Ctrl+Space on the physical keyboard |
| 14:04.34 | RST38h | it will report the switch but will not let you type letters |
| 14:04.42 | ZogG | anyway pr1.2 is making me sad, i hoped for bugfixes, and main ones i eeded to be fixed are still here |
| 14:05.15 | ZogG | RST38h oh, i don't use russian on hw |
| 14:05.16 | ptl | which ones? |
| 14:05.17 | lcuk | ZogG, psssst the bug trackers have been updated as bugs get fixed, which ones did you hope to be fixed |
| 14:05.19 | ZogG | the keymap is ugly |
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| 14:05.32 | X-Fade | RST38h: Did you try xterm? :) |
| 14:06.16 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Okay, now both 0.6-2 and 0.6-3 are in the queue together :) |
| 14:06.33 | RST38h | X-Fade: yes |
| 14:06.39 | ZogG | lcuk there are 2 that are not fixed |
| 14:06.49 | ZogG | lcuk, the play button on widget |
| 14:06.58 | ZogG | and the music plays after call |
| 14:07.21 | ZogG | the first can be fixed by delting recall widget |
| 14:07.36 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Ok, killing 0.6-2 once it reaches the repo ;) |
| 14:07.37 | ZogG | second one is no exuce. i had this in the middle of test |
| 14:07.52 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Thanks |
| 14:07.54 | ZogG | no i need to turn sound off when i select silent mode as well =( |
| 14:08.22 | ZogG | lcuk, do you have permission to re-open bugs? |
| 14:09.18 | lcuk | i just asked what they were, you still havent shown me |
| 14:09.26 | lcuk | bug 1234 format is good ;) |
| 14:09.27 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 close-buttons on home menu are too small |
| 14:09.41 | ZogG | lcuk okay |
| 14:10.06 | E0x | look like the widget data plan |
| 14:10.08 | E0x | not work |
| 14:10.10 | E0x | in pr1.2 |
| 14:10.33 | ZogG | bug 6907 |
| 14:10.34 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6907 Media Player widget suddenly starts music after Phone call ends |
| 14:11.02 | ZogG | bug 5894 |
| 14:11.03 | X-Fade | fiferboy: killed |
| 14:11.03 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 Play track button doesn't work |
| 14:11.08 | *** part/#maemo ham5 (~iamone@unaffiliated/ham5) |
| 14:11.16 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Thanks. I just got the email that it built |
| 14:11.23 | noobmonk3y | bug 666 |
| 14:11.24 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function |
| 14:11.30 | noobmonk3y | the bug of the devil muhahahahaha |
| 14:11.34 | X-Fade | yeah, removed it in import queue ;) |
| 14:11.35 | noobmonk3y | trust Java to be in there |
| 14:11.53 | jaska | :D |
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| 14:12.16 | ZogG | lcuk ^ |
| 14:13.00 | kaie | I'm very pleased with the automatic restoring of application. Only the manually downloaded ussd-applet won't be included automatically, but at least it tells me what I had in addition, that's very nice |
| 14:13.01 | MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y> trust Java to be in there lol |
| 14:13.02 | MohammadAG | bug 1337 |
| 14:13.03 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1337 Menu item News -> garage news is broken |
| 14:13.13 | MohammadAG | not so leet after all |
| 14:13.46 | noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG !! |
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| 14:14.05 | pronto | trying to do that maemo update, but it keeps compaling about i need to connnect to a computer and launce the application...please tell me the aplication works with linux, and is there anyway around that so i dont have to use my computer? |
| 14:14.14 | noobmonk3y | ~slap bug 1337 |
| 14:14.15 | infobot | ACTION slaps bug 1337, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:14.15 | kaie | it's not possible to install microb-engine-common-ext, do you want to proceed with installation? |
| 14:14.25 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 14:14.26 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:14.51 | kaie | I'll go for "yes", assuming "do you want to proceed" means "do you want to proceed with the other packages" |
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| 14:17.14 | ZogG | lcuk, ? |
| 14:19.28 | pronto | so is there a way? |
| 14:19.40 | ZogG | pronto flash it |
| 14:19.50 | pronto | "restore to factory defaults" umm , no |
| 14:20.14 | pronto | i can't just have it update via the app manager? :| |
| 14:20.16 | Scelt | pronto: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 14:20.44 | pronto | didnt the pr1.1 just update right on the phone itself |
| 14:20.48 | Scelt | Why can't any of you ops put that link to the topic? This is the 10th time today I've pasted that link already |
| 14:21.06 | ZogG | Scelt cause you are here =) |
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| 14:21.20 | Noma | is there already a bug report that you can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift? |
| 14:21.28 | pronto | and that NSU is windoiws only/ |
| 14:21.29 | pronto | ? |
| 14:21.30 | Scelt | ZogG: I'm not here 24/7 and it'd be nice if users would still get answer |
| 14:21.40 | Scelt | Noma: I have the same problem |
| 14:21.43 | ToJa92 | [pronto]: You probably need to free up space in your rootfs to update, it should be about 60MB free |
| 14:21.45 | Scelt | pronto: check the link I pasted |
| 14:21.56 | ZogG | pronto linux also |
| 14:21.56 | Scelt | pronto: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
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| 14:22.05 | Noma | Scelt: i know three people that have the same problem |
| 14:22.08 | ZogG | ~flashing pronto |
| 14:22.24 | Scelt | Noma: kewl. please check the bug tracker |
| 14:22.32 | ZogG | ~flashing |
| 14:22.33 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:22.40 | Noma | i tried to search but didn't find it |
| 14:22.46 | ZogG | pronto, ^ |
| 14:23.04 | Scelt | Noma: maybe you should post it then? |
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| 14:23.12 | ZogG | Noma have you disabled auto cap latters? |
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| 14:23.36 | Noma | ZogG: then it works - but it should also work if I press shift+letter after a dot |
| 14:23.45 | Scelt | ZogG: I have the same problem. It's a bug |
| 14:24.12 | ZogG | it's not a bug - it's a feature |
| 14:24.21 | cehteh | great nokia ... now mounted my MyDocs as /home :) |
| 14:24.25 | Noma | it worked in pr1.1 |
| 14:24.34 | Noma | and it works in symbian and android etc |
| 14:24.34 | pronto | talk.maemo.org is down |
| 14:24.46 | ZogG | oh nooo |
| 14:25.12 | auenf | too many posts complaining about P1.3? |
| 14:25.15 | auenf | +R |
| 14:25.26 | ZogG | PR1.2* |
| 14:25.28 | auenf | s/P1.3/PR1.3/ |
| 14:25.41 | E0x | lol |
| 14:26.01 | auenf | PR1.2 is out, theres nothing to complain about ;) |
| 14:26.04 | ZogG | auenf, cause Nokia should release it before and now release bugfixes for it |
| 14:26.20 | ZogG | some bugs are not closed at all and there too many new |
| 14:26.21 | auenf | except whats going to be fixed in PR1.3 and why it isnt already out ;) |
| 14:26.35 | ZogG | i don't think bugfix release should be merged with new features release |
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| 14:27.02 | auenf | decides not to download the 113mb update on 3g |
| 14:27.20 | Stskeeps | wuss |
| 14:27.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:27.24 | ZogG | auenf, the complaining are about things from pr1.1.1 that still in pr1.2 and new uppseting bugs |
| 14:27.30 | Bluewind | downloading is faster than installing ;) |
| 14:27.43 | Bluewind | think it's running for 2h now |
| 14:27.50 | ZogG | i flashed so can't say anything =) |
| 14:28.01 | ZogG | it was several minutes |
| 14:28.08 | auenf | it'd cost me AU$1.70 to download it over 3g ;) |
| 14:28.12 | E0x | i flash fromn windows and was fast |
| 14:28.21 | auenf | im not in that much or a rush to install it |
| 14:28.28 | E0x | take more time downloading the image |
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| 14:28.31 | ZogG | i use linux FTW |
| 14:28.42 | ZogG | sys Linux 2.6.33-gentoo [965P-S3; x86_64 Desktop] |
| 14:28.59 | Bluewind | after flashing I'd have to reinstall all apps and that also take ages |
| 14:29.06 | Bluewind | old kernel... |
| 14:29.19 | E0x | if you do backup |
| 14:29.24 | E0x | the restore will install all app |
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| 14:29.40 | Bluewind | doesn't change apt's slowness |
| 14:30.15 | Bluewind | installing one locale package takes ~10 sec |
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| 14:31.17 | lauri | hey guys |
| 14:31.21 | Smokers | okay guys,.. i want to flash over mflasher, but the flasher wont find my device,... |
| 14:31.25 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 14:31.40 | lauri | Where can I browse Maemo builtin apps source code? |
| 14:31.46 | lauri | for example phone boo |
| 14:31.49 | lauri | *book |
| 14:31.50 | Smokers | drivers are installed, 64 bit problem is known and windows is startet in secure / driver mode |
| 14:32.10 | Smokers | but still : Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
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| 14:32.59 | auenf | isnt xp mode suggested when running 64-bit windows? |
| 14:33.15 | ZogG | Smokers turn it off |
| 14:33.25 | ZogG | turn on while pressing "u" key |
| 14:33.28 | ZogG | oops |
| 14:33.33 | ZogG | connect while pressing |
| 14:33.33 | Smokers | option 1 is using special boot mode for windows auenf |
| 14:33.35 | ZogG | don't turn on |
| 14:33.44 | Smokers | jop ZogG is done |
| 14:33.54 | Smokers | but nothing happend |
| 14:35.13 | ZogG | Smokers did nokia turned on and there was usb symbol in the coner? |
| 14:35.34 | Smokers | yes ,.. it is all like the manual says |
| 14:35.47 | Smokers | except that there will happen anything after that command o.O |
| 14:36.43 | Smokers | in first, windows said, installtig driver faild... i de-installed all drivers for n900 in the device manager, than boot in secure driver mode, and installed them again, everything okay... |
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| 14:37.06 | Smokers | than again starting flasher, but nothing happend =/ |
| 14:37.16 | ZogG | wazd privet |
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| 14:38.14 | Smokers | ? |
| 14:38.46 | Arkenoi | ah. now i see update but it won't install. what applications are known to block it? |
| 14:39.15 | ZogG | Smokers get the ubuntu livecd and you can flash |
| 14:39.46 | Noma | Scelt: i posted the bug |
| 14:39.51 | Scelt | Noma: id? |
| 14:39.55 | Noma | 10310 |
| 14:40.00 | Scelt | bug 10310 |
| 14:40.01 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift |
| 14:40.08 | Scelt | Noma: thx! |
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| 14:40.36 | ZogG | buggy bug |
| 14:40.50 | Smokers | did i need some hdd in live ubuntu? because i only have 3 ntfs partitions |
| 14:40.56 | Smokers | ZogG |
| 14:41.17 | ZogG | nope |
| 14:41.22 | Scelt | Noma: actually you need to put space after dot to reproduce the bug |
| 14:41.26 | Smokers | okay, thanks |
| 14:41.41 | Noma | Scelt: oh, okay |
| 14:42.20 | Scelt | Noma: writing right after the dot it's still lowercase |
| 14:42.51 | ZogG | cause it thinks it's the same word |
| 14:42.53 | Noma | so it seems |
| 14:43.03 | Scelt | yeah |
| 14:43.23 | ZogG | i just don't use Cap letters on phone at least |
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| 14:44.10 | jef91 | Can I upgrade to pr 1.2 from nix? |
| 14:44.15 | ZogG | transmission 2.00b1 released ? how had i missed? |
| 14:44.21 | ZogG | jef91 linux? |
| 14:44.27 | jef91 | ZogG Yea |
| 14:44.34 | Bluewind | I'm running apt-get dist-upgrade and so for no problems |
| 14:44.38 | ZogG | jef91 yes, you can flash |
| 14:44.41 | Bluewind | just takes like ages |
| 14:44.57 | ZogG | Bluewind clear upgrade is always better imo |
| 14:45.19 | Bluewind | yeah gonna do that once I have more time ;) |
| 14:45.40 | jef91 | ZogG got the link offhand to the rom? |
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| 14:46.16 | ZogG | jef91 you mean the pr1.2 bin? |
| 14:46.25 | jef91 | Yes ZogG |
| 14:46.32 | ZogG | jef91, i don't but i think there is one in the topic |
| 14:46.39 | thresh | meh ussd widget doesnt work cleanly in 1.2 |
| 14:47.14 | ZogG | pr1.2 works faster and has qt but nothig fixed actually, ah? |
| 14:48.45 | jef91 | ZogG sounds like Nokia |
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| 14:49.08 | ZogG | jef91, i hope everything would be fine |
| 14:49.27 | ZogG | i just angry of none of communication with us =) |
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| 14:50.34 | hrw | heh... just tested video skypecall |
| 14:50.49 | GAN900 | thresh, doesn't PR1.2 have USSD support? |
| 14:51.00 | GAN900 | ZogG, browser actually zooms OK. |
| 14:51.03 | hrw | n900 -> fring/s60, n900 -> skype/win32 and in both combos video from me was not sent |
| 14:51.37 | KMFDM | are the servers hosting pr 1.2 down? |
| 14:51.51 | KMFDM | software updater keeps failing to download the update for me |
| 14:52.06 | skynxnex | KMFDM: I just successfulyl downloaded it (through t-mobile) about 30 minutes ago |
| 14:52.17 | skynxnex | KMFDM: but it took two attempts; luckily it resumed |
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| 14:53.16 | ZogG | GAN900 it was fine also before for me 9 i don't know any zoom problems) but there still several bugs that were marked as closed but they are not |
| 14:53.57 | KMFDM | i have something (or multiple) apps installed blocking update over air |
| 14:54.04 | KMFDM | so i have to do it through software updater |
| 14:54.10 | KMFDM | only it's download screwed up |
| 14:54.16 | ZogG | GAN900, bug 6907 and 5894 for example |
| 14:54.16 | KMFDM | presuably server went offline |
| 14:54.17 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6907 Media Player widget suddenly starts music after Phone call ends |
| 14:54.18 | skynxnex | KMFDM: it still does it through the software updater. |
| 14:54.20 | KMFDM | but now it fails to resume it |
| 14:54.27 | KMFDM | can't restart it at all |
| 14:54.34 | KMFDM | i see it has 36.3megs dled |
| 14:54.35 | ZogG | btw gps takes hours to get any data from sats |
| 14:54.42 | KMFDM | and then it throws the error |
| 14:54.44 | marmoute | grmlm I don't have enought freespace to dist-upgrade. wtf |
| 14:54.44 | KMFDM | been trying for 3 hours |
| 14:54.45 | jef91 | "OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11" thats pr 1.2 right? |
| 14:54.51 | Bluewind | no |
| 14:54.57 | ZogG | jef91 no |
| 14:55.04 | ZogG | jef91, 2010 |
| 14:55.05 | Bluewind | 1.2 ist 2010.x |
| 14:55.38 | jef91 | oh shoot I found it |
| 14:55.41 | jef91 | was lower down on the list |
| 14:56.21 | jaska | i wonder what uses swi-prolog in maemo :D |
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| 14:56.44 | jaska | ohm i suppose |
| 14:57.32 | ZogG | jef91 use only pr1.2 not eMMC |
| 14:58.21 | jef91 | yep yep, thanks ZogG |
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| 15:01.26 | cehteh | jaska: device management :) |
| 15:02.02 | Tuukka | Does the receiving end need a webcam to get skype video call working? |
| 15:02.11 | cehteh | no |
| 15:02.38 | cehteh | well dunno for skype, but in sip it can be one-way and i expect that for skype too |
| 15:02.45 | Corsac | hmhm, fMMS isn't integrated to contacts :( |
| 15:02.45 | GAN900 | hrw, I think you need the lastest win32 client. |
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| 15:03.30 | GAN900 | ZogG, you didn't notice the horrifying text rendering issues with zooming? |
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| 15:04.57 | hrw | I checked list of my bugs in bugs.maemo.org... option "mass update all selected bugs" would be nice |
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| 15:05.59 | jacekowski | hannesw_: blow job would be nice as well |
| 15:06.26 | E0x | installing the extra decoders support, is taking to much time , almost 5 minutes already and not finish yet |
| 15:06.44 | E0x | oh , it finish now |
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| 15:08.05 | skynxnex | wow, text zooming is a lot better in microb now. |
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| 15:10.50 | kaie | reflashed n900 and restored back and all applications. 1 gb of downloads, installing and power cycle later... trying to use n900 again... microb no longer works. window starts up, then quits |
| 15:11.42 | kaie | trying terminal, "microb", runs for 10 seconds, then quits, no window coming up |
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| 15:12.05 | kaie | fennec works |
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| 15:12.25 | tgalal | can't restore the FREAKIN CONVERSATIONS :@ !!!! |
| 15:12.47 | pinheiro | heeerrrr phonnne prt of the n900 gone after flashig to 1.2 |
| 15:12.56 | FredrIQ | PR1.2 :D |
| 15:12.58 | Stskeeps | pinheiro: did you use the leaked pr 1.2 before? :P |
| 15:13.05 | FredrIQ | is updating atm |
| 15:13.22 | pinheiro | Stskeeps: nope |
| 15:13.59 | Stskeeps | pinheiro: do a full reflash i guess, emmc and all |
| 15:14.06 | pinheiro | tried to update via the regular way but it tollme to flash it instead |
| 15:14.25 | pinheiro | Stskeeps: how does one do that ? |
| 15:14.29 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 15:14.31 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 15:16.39 | pinheiro | "./flasher-3.5 -F *.bin -f -R" |
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| 15:17.33 | chadi | *.bin ? |
| 15:17.42 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer / SpeedEvil, finally emailed Quim. |
| 15:17.45 | lardman | re |
| 15:17.45 | chadi | what if more than one image were present? |
| 15:17.55 | GAN900 | Yo, lardman. |
| 15:18.03 | GAN900 | lardman, re-pong? |
| 15:18.03 | pinheiro | just have 1 :D |
| 15:18.05 | lardman | hey GAN900 |
| 15:18.18 | lardman | GAN900: fire away, I've been out most of the day |
| 15:18.21 | joga | err...is there deborphan for n900? |
| 15:18.29 | Stskeeps | GAN900: what'd you complain about this time? :P |
| 15:18.33 | lardman | ah, I was wondering about location information |
| 15:18.35 | joga | I've uninstalled heaps and only got a few megs back ;) |
| 15:18.42 | xorAxAx | hmm, PR 1.2 doesnt want to install itself over HAM, what could be the reason? |
| 15:19.39 | lardman | feels better after filing a couple of bugs |
| 15:20.40 | lardman | mardi: hey |
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| 15:21.07 | lardman | or is it the wrong mardi/y? |
| 15:21.36 | pinheiro | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the one i should be using right? |
| 15:22.06 | Stskeeps | pinheiro: grab a newer one |
| 15:22.09 | Stskeeps | there should be a 2010 one |
| 15:22.26 | pinheiro | Stskeeps: were ? |
| 15:22.39 | Stskeeps | on tablets-dev.nokia.com ? :P |
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| 15:24.46 | cehteh | pinheiro: no |
| 15:24.59 | cehteh | there are 2 2010 ones dont be fooled :P |
| 15:25.09 | pinheiro | iiiiiiiiii seeeeeeeee |
| 15:25.11 | pinheiro | :) |
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| 15:25.22 | ZogG | cehteh there are more |
| 15:25.24 | cehteh | flashed the wrong one earlier too |
| 15:25.31 | ZogG | depend on country |
| 15:25.32 | cehteh | 10.2010... |
| 15:25.37 | ZogG | cehteh where did you get 2? |
| 15:25.40 | pinheiro | cehteh: confusing website |
| 15:25.53 | joga | great, I uninstalled firefox and lost half a meg of space :) |
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| 15:26.02 | cehteh | ZogG: i just used the last one in the ls here sorted |
| 15:26.12 | joga | is this package thing fixed in 1.2? |
| 15:26.21 | cehteh | but 3.2010 is higher than 10.2010 ... duh :) |
| 15:27.37 | cehteh | wow 100M free on root now :P |
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| 15:27.51 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: err - re what - I forget? |
| 15:27.59 | slonopotamus | -.- |
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| 15:28.14 | joga | I've uninstalled tens of megs and gained only a couple back, a bit frustrating |
| 15:28.21 | joga | I guess it leaves all the dependencies |
| 15:28.22 | C-S-B-N900 | arrgh, cant wait to get home and upgrade... |
| 15:28.31 | ZogG | PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1Latest Maemo 5 |
| 15:28.35 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, device queue and broken loaners. |
| 15:28.39 | C-S-B-N900 | no probelms with it? |
| 15:28.40 | slonopotamus | cehteh: not enough for porn |
| 15:29.05 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Ah - right. |
| 15:29.15 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: I should have done that myself. |
| 15:29.29 | C-S-B-N900 | cant do ota, seems not to work, no doubt due to 4pmb rootfs |
| 15:29.56 | hrw | bug 10312 |
| 15:29.59 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312 Video calls with Skype does not work |
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| 15:30.14 | cehteh | lol |
| 15:30.16 | hrw | during week it will be wontfix or ignored |
| 15:30.17 | joga | how can I free the space taken by the packages I've installed and then uninstalled? |
| 15:30.20 | C-S-B-N900 | skype video isnt working? |
| 15:30.26 | cehteh | fail |
| 15:30.31 | kaie | ok, browser-switchboard was responsible for the failing microb startup. although it said microb is the default, I confirmed that setting, switched from "faster startup" to "lower mem usage", now microb starts up fine |
| 15:30.31 | joga | I mean, isn't this something the package manager ought to be doing automatically |
| 15:30.34 | slonopotamus | joga: apt-get dependency cleaning is just broken. it leaves stuff around under certain circumstances |
| 15:30.35 | cehteh | well i suspect a user error |
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| 15:30.42 | joga | slonopotamus: so aptitude then? |
| 15:30.48 | joga | probably not now but anyway :) |
| 15:30.51 | cehteh | nokia should have enough time to test video calls |
| 15:31.08 | ShadowJK | wonders if skype video is even "supposed" to be working |
| 15:31.11 | C-S-B-N900 | so use flasher to install, restore backup and i should be where i started? |
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| 15:31.15 | ShadowJK | or if it's just gtalk video that's supposed to work |
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| 15:31.21 | StyleWarz | morning |
| 15:31.35 | StyleWarz | anyone got a repository where i could find a cfdisk package for my n800? |
| 15:31.38 | pinheiro | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM this one right? |
| 15:31.46 | cehteh | yes |
| 15:31.56 | pinheiro | falashing now |
| 15:32.02 | pinheiro | flashing |
| 15:32.07 | slonopotamus | joga: dunno if it properly works. either reflash or read through dpkg -l output, find stuff you don't need, try to remove it, if it doesn't pull away fremantle stuff, remove :) |
| 15:32.41 | slonopotamus | StyleWarz: it's in sdk repo afair |
| 15:32.44 | Arkenoi | it damn sucks that OTA updates are that tricky |
| 15:32.57 | C-S-B-N900 | why do these things comeout when i cant install them :( |
| 15:33.00 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: hm you got an url? ;) |
| 15:33.01 | Arkenoi | previous one required enormous free space on root fs |
| 15:33.02 | slonopotamus | Arkenoi: it's nokia :) |
| 15:33.14 | Arkenoi | and this one just does not work and i do not know what is blocking |
| 15:33.19 | pinheiro | think the phone in snot working |
| 15:33.21 | Arkenoi | because there is no sane diagnostics |
| 15:33.28 | pinheiro | didnt propmt me for the pin code |
| 15:33.42 | slonopotamus | Arkenoi: hi, btw. no, sflphone isn't there. X-Fade doesn't fix autocleaner |
| 15:33.45 | slonopotamus | StyleWarz: repository.maemo.org, somewhere on that page |
| 15:34.10 | pinheiro | and takes for ever to boot |
| 15:34.11 | Arkenoi | is there a faq on most common applications that may block ota update? |
| 15:34.13 | pinheiro | haaaaa |
| 15:34.15 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: it isn't extras-devel *searching* |
| 15:34.17 | pinheiro | pin code |
| 15:34.18 | joga | slonopotamus: to me it sounds like a big mistake to have left it that way...the average joe will install apps and basically needs to reflash their phone to get the space back |
| 15:34.29 | pinheiro | :) |
| 15:34.57 | C-S-B-N900 | right, im off. need to keep battery for flash later. |
| 15:35.00 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Just committed a fix for it (hope it works) |
| 15:35.06 | Arkenoi | how much free space is required, after all? |
| 15:35.13 | slonopotamus | (did i say extras-devel?) |
| 15:35.27 | joga | now I just ran apt-get autoremove because it suggested that at some point, it claimed to free 8MB of space, but I got nothing back |
| 15:35.51 | SpeedEvil | joga: UBIFS lies. |
| 15:35.53 | joga | or maybe they were optified |
| 15:35.54 | SpeedEvil | You need to sync |
| 15:36.02 | joga | just with plain sync? |
| 15:36.04 | SpeedEvil | after removing files, or it won't immediately recover them |
| 15:36.05 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:36.06 | joga | (did that) |
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| 15:36.14 | SpeedEvil | ah - ok |
| 15:36.15 | jef91 | grr flashing pr 1.2 reset my theme :-/ |
| 15:36.15 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: one-more-fix-that'll-fix-it-for-sure? :) how the hell it decided to remove? |
| 15:36.25 | jef91 | and all my widgets |
| 15:36.26 | jef91 | gah |
| 15:36.35 | ZogG | jef91 do the restore thing |
| 15:36.39 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: i didn't find anything |
| 15:36.46 | ZogG | jef91 and than you get everything back |
| 15:37.36 | jef91 | really? it reset applications as well? |
| 15:37.36 | jef91 | wtf |
| 15:38.12 | slonopotamus | StyleWarz: did you search anything? |
| 15:38.17 | Arkenoi | it damn sucks if i need to reflash from pc. any hints how to avoid that? |
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| 15:38.26 | jef91 | will it need to re-download my installed applications? |
| 15:38.26 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: i went through the repositories packages-files |
| 15:38.35 | slonopotamus | StyleWarz: i gave you an url. i gave you a keyword. what else do you need? |
| 15:38.41 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: at least anything that sounded like sdk for diablo |
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| 15:38.46 | StyleWarz | oh didn't see that |
| 15:38.48 | slonopotamus | StyleWarz: http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories |
| 15:38.49 | ZogG | jef91 yes |
| 15:39.04 | ZogG | jef91, restore from backup |
| 15:39.59 | slonopotamus | StyleWarz: i strongly suggest disabling it back after you install cfdisk (other nasty stuff can sneak in accidentally) |
| 15:40.23 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: what nasty stuff might happen with cfdisk? |
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| 15:40.31 | StyleWarz | i've never had troubles in all those years ;) |
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| 15:40.52 | slonopotamus | (having different versions on device/in sdk is the most insane thing you could do with sdk) |
| 15:42.22 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus: ok it ain't there. ;) |
| 15:42.42 | cehteh | did the frontcam quality improve with 1.2? |
| 15:44.03 | Lazy^ | Hello how i can make skype-video calls on n900 ? |
| 15:44.34 | brik | by starting a skype call and clicking the video button |
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| 15:45.13 | Lazy^ | brik: where should that video button be ? |
| 15:45.21 | cehteh | in coversations |
| 15:45.27 | cehteh | contacts |
| 15:45.27 | StyleWarz | so there is no partitioning tool other than sfdisk left on the n800? |
| 15:45.35 | davhotel | Lazy^: Are you calling a mac? I have trouble with that |
| 15:46.01 | brik | Lazy^: when you've started the call it gives you an option to show your camera |
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| 15:46.15 | Arkenoi | is there less dangerous way than dist-upgrade and at the same time more verbose than app manager? |
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| 15:46.19 | StyleWarz | slonopotamus_: the package isn't there |
| 15:46.32 | Lazy^ | brik: i choose contact from contact list, start skypecall. There isnt any option for videocall |
| 15:46.35 | X-Fade | Arkenoi: Flashing? |
| 15:46.46 | Arkenoi | x-fade: OTA :-) |
| 15:46.53 | Lazy^ | brik: should i enable it first = |
| 15:47.02 | X-Fade | Arkenoi: Use AM only then. |
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| 15:47.20 | Lazy^ | davhotel: i'm calling to n900 -> mac |
| 15:47.30 | X-Fade | Arkenoi: Make sure you have > 48MB free on roo |
| 15:47.34 | davhotel | Lazy^: probably wont work |
| 15:47.37 | roquetto | who does the qt4 packaging for maemo? |
| 15:47.38 | Arkenoi | x-fade: it does not work, saying i should flash from pc and i do not even know what does it want -- free root space? removal of some blocking app? |
| 15:47.47 | Lazy^ | davhotel: do you know the reason ? |
| 15:48.03 | X-Fade | Arkenoi: And remove brainparty/tuxracer if installed. |
| 15:48.13 | davhotel | Lazy^: I don't think the mac client is currently supporting the codec or res, or doesnt see the video flag |
| 15:48.30 | Arkenoi | ah. i have 45, it is probably too low. should remove something big |
| 15:48.45 | X-Fade | Arkenoi: disable extras* |
| 15:49.10 | anonuk | MohammadAG: still there? |
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| 15:49.20 | Arkenoi | x-fade, already done |
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| 15:50.22 | Lazy^ | davhotel: yes i see no support for h264 |
| 15:50.25 | Bluewind | hm funny that dots during boot are way too fast |
| 15:50.38 | X-Fade | Arkenoi: Reboot can sometimes help as GC runs on boot. |
| 15:50.57 | Arkenoi | x-fade: tried that, still not enough |
| 15:51.13 | plastun | wtf? using apt-get or App manager on N900 my app is not copying files to python2.5/site-packages directory. Using dpkg -i deb-file everything is OK |
| 15:51.28 | davhotel | Lazy^: skype video was too good to be true :) |
| 15:51.28 | X-Fade | apt-get clean, remove libqt4-maemo5* |
| 15:51.30 | FredrIQ | .. |
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| 15:51.49 | X-Fade | libqt4-maemo5-* even. |
| 15:51.52 | Lazy^ | davhotel: seems so :/ |
| 15:51.54 | FredrIQ | i got a prompt about modified file since installation when runned an upgrade |
| 15:51.54 | f66f | i last jear my gandpa died now i have a Aquarium ... and dunno what to do with it .... |
| 15:52.10 | FredrIQ | i wanted to check what were different with D |
| 15:52.15 | FredrIQ | "diff: not found" |
| 15:52.23 | FredrIQ | very helpful indeed |
| 15:53.34 | slonopotamus | FredrIQ: they call it "user-frendly" |
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| 15:53.41 | FredrIQ | indeed |
| 15:53.55 | FredrIQ | will it be fine ignoring with Y and continue upgrade? |
| 15:54.13 | FredrIQ | the file in question: |
| 15:54.14 | FredrIQ | Configuration file `/etc/powervr.ini' |
| 15:54.32 | FredrIQ | what is that file anyway |
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| 15:54.40 | slonopotamus | FredrIQ: i think yes |
| 15:54.51 | FredrIQ | ok |
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| 15:55.19 | satmd | found out where the setting for enabling video calls is hidden |
| 15:55.23 | satmd | within contacts |
| 15:55.31 | plastun | can anybody help me with testing my app? just install it, please |
| 15:55.36 | FredrIQ | lol |
| 15:55.39 | FredrIQ | nice place |
| 15:55.51 | FredrIQ | ...and it's not enabled by default? |
| 15:56.05 | Bluewind | here it is |
| 15:56.12 | FredrIQ | ah |
| 15:56.20 | FredrIQ | not installed 1.2 yet |
| 15:56.26 | FredrIQ | and not using videocalls |
| 15:56.38 | Aranel | "Move apt cache outside of rootfs" |
| 15:56.54 | Aranel | Is this a good way to update? I only have 24 megabytes of rootfs space :/ |
| 15:57.16 | joga | I've deleted every big program besiedes vim and mplayer and have only gotten like 10MB back |
| 15:57.20 | joga | if even that |
| 15:57.33 | FredrIQ | joga: devel enabled? |
| 15:57.39 | joga | FredrIQ: nope, but testing is |
| 15:57.39 | redeeman | i have 56MB and it won't update |
| 15:57.42 | cehteh | Aranel: make backup, reflash, restore .. i had to do that anyways since installing it ota borked the device |
| 15:57.49 | FredrIQ | turn it off, refresh the lists |
| 15:57.50 | Bluewind | I moved like 50 things from /usr to /opt and used apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:57.58 | Bluewind | worked though |
| 15:58.01 | davhotel | live oil spill rover cam feed works in media player |
| 15:58.03 | joga | FredrIQ: you mean the repos? |
| 15:58.05 | FredrIQ | and you will end up with some space |
| 15:58.06 | Bluewind | and took 3-4h I think |
| 15:58.06 | FredrIQ | :) |
| 15:58.19 | slonopotamus | ouch |
| 15:58.19 | FredrIQ | yeah, the big ones |
| 15:58.29 | joga | the problem here isn't that I don't get 'some' space, rather it's that I should get *A LOT* more space than that |
| 15:58.30 | slonopotamus | /home/user/.local is 10 megs |
| 15:58.41 | chadi | can I lower the vibration level? |
| 15:58.43 | tripzero | are the rumors true? 1.2 is alive? |
| 15:58.46 | Aranel | cehteh: I've upgraded from PR1.0 to PR1.1 and PR1.1.1 later. It always worked, making backup and restoring is not a %100 guaranteed way to restore every data. |
| 15:58.55 | FredrIQ | tripzero: updating atm. :) |
| 15:58.58 | cehteh | chadi: /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 15:58.58 | tripzero | w00t |
| 15:59.07 | cehteh | be careful :) |
| 15:59.11 | slonopotamus | /home/user/.local/share/sounds, to be more exact |
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| 15:59.39 | chadi | cehteh: oh so it can be done? that's great; I'm asuming under the LED patterns? |
| 15:59.48 | joga | I've probably removed about 100M worth but I guess they're still there, somewhere |
| 15:59.54 | joga | rebooting didn't have an effect earlier at least |
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| 16:00.13 | FredrIQ | joga: if the packages is optified, they don't fill up root space |
| 16:00.27 | Corsac | is it just me or one can't search anymore in HAM? |
| 16:00.31 | joga | FredrIQ: so what does then? are libraries optified, in general? |
| 16:00.33 | Corsac | while it was possible before |
| 16:00.33 | cehteh | Aranel: the 1.1 things worked for me too, but considering for how many people (admitly the ones who fiddled with the device) its broken |
| 16:00.34 | greenfly | is there a consensus on how much free space you need on / for an OTR update? |
| 16:00.49 | Aranel | is it possible to get a list of non-optified packages? |
| 16:00.56 | X-Fade | Corsac: It is you. |
| 16:01.05 | X-Fade | Corsac: Just start typing. |
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| 16:01.17 | slonopotamus | wonders why he has qt installed |
| 16:01.19 | slonopotamus | arachnist: no |
| 16:01.19 | slonopotamus | err, missed |
| 16:01.19 | slonopotamus | Aranel: no |
| 16:01.19 | joga | Aranel: I thought about it, I guess it is since you can get a listing of package contents with dpkg -L and so on, but there should be an easier way |
| 16:01.24 | FredrIQ | w00t |
| 16:01.31 | FredrIQ | i think the update is done |
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| 16:01.43 | teilzeitstudent | I installed 1.2 manually using the flasher, including a new emmc. Now I seem to have filesystem problems; it keeps telling me that a directory called "music" exists, but it is not there. Also, 246mb are already used (probably by default?). Are there any tools to check filesystem integrity? |
| 16:02.06 | FredrIQ | hmm |
| 16:02.21 | FredrIQ | interesting that some of the features actually works without reboot |
| 16:02.21 | tripzero | fsck it |
| 16:02.39 | tripzero | FredrIQ, not surprized |
| 16:02.42 | tripzero | that's linux ;) |
| 16:02.45 | teilzeitstudent | tripzero, which means I have to unmount it? |
| 16:02.49 | teilzeitstudent | The MyDocs~ |
| 16:02.51 | FredrIQ | yeah |
| 16:02.51 | FredrIQ | :p |
| 16:03.00 | tripzero | teilzeitstudent, yep, umount it and fsck it |
| 16:03.03 | Aranel | joga: doesnt seem hard to do, maybe someone with basic Python knowledge can do that and save the day :) |
| 16:03.05 | FredrIQ | but as 50 percent, including Sym doesn't work.. brb reboot |
| 16:03.16 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, meh, supposedly that's what I'm here for. ;) |
| 16:03.20 | Arkenoi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.20 | joga | Aranel: yeah, shouldn't be all that hard |
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| 16:04.10 | Aranel | joga: dpkg -L is misleading :/ Tried it on amsn package, it showed LOTS of files on rootfs, removed it and yay, 0.9 freed :( |
| 16:04.23 | joga | Aranel: yeah but are they big files ;) |
| 16:04.48 | joga | for some reason I think deborphan is needed |
| 16:04.59 | Aranel | joga: It does not print sizes to screen :/ |
| 16:05.10 | joga | Aranel: the app manager can sort by size |
| 16:05.17 | joga | but doesn't tell if it's opt :) |
| 16:05.45 | Aranel | joga: app manager says its 24 Megabytes, and dpkg -L shows them all as non-optified. |
| 16:06.04 | joga | (I suppose optification can be seen from the package itself?) |
| 16:06.28 | slonopotamus | fmradioplayer is 2.6mb o_O |
| 16:07.08 | Aranel | oops, it seems terminal history was not enough for entire output. Now I'm not sure :/ |
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| 16:07.56 | joga | Aranel: I think the app manager has some rough estimate of the size...maybe including libs |
| 16:08.11 | joga | so it just deletes the prog and leaves all the deps hanging there |
| 16:08.15 | joga | but I dunno |
| 16:08.51 | greenfly | Arkenoi: remove any applications that might use opengl |
| 16:09.17 | root____ | guys what is the situation with the whole meego/maemo nonsense, i was preparing to get the n900 and sold off my old phone but i just found out that meego is not going to come out on the n900 which means not many people will be using maemo anymore and not enough market for potential developers to sell apps for. Is that reasonable concern? |
| 16:09.18 | Arkenoi | greenfly, ah, *again*. ok |
| 16:09.48 | greenfly | Arkenoi: yeah, I freed up to like 60Mb by using all the tricks and still nothing. removed things like duke nukem and then it worked *shrug* |
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| 16:10.24 | Arkenoi | ok, byebye descent |
| 16:11.12 | Arkenoi | and fuck stupid idiot who thing that detailed diagnostics is confusing and user should not see it or ever understand what happens |
| 16:11.18 | Arkenoi | s/thing/think/ |
| 16:12.08 | timeless_mbp | t0or: maemo isn't going to die tomorrow |
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| 16:12.26 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 16:12.31 | timeless_mbp | and there should be additional service releases |
| 16:12.40 | tripzero | what's a good way to find my wifi mac addy? ifconfig doesnt exist in the busybox :| |
| 16:12.43 | timeless_mbp | Nokia is trying to encourage people to develop applications using Qt |
| 16:12.49 | timeless_mbp | Qt should work on both Maemo5 and MeeGo |
| 16:13.02 | aSIMULAtor | i have a question..someone i know who has a device from the maemo summit wants to know what he shoudl flash his device with |
| 16:13.05 | timeless_mbp | so, if an app dev tries to write for the future and picks Qt, they should be able to provide a Maemo binary too |
| 16:13.07 | FredrIQ | and symbian^3 and onwards |
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| 16:13.13 | t0or | timeless_mbp: yes i agree infact i doubt that it'll die at all but the more important point was because the client base for devs. |
| 16:13.19 | FredrIQ | shouldn't texting in the menu start a search? |
| 16:13.20 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: same thing as anyone else |
| 16:13.24 | aSIMULAtor | supposidly there's like 5 different types |
| 16:13.29 | aSIMULAtor | uk, global, blah balh albah |
| 16:13.34 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: ignore uk |
| 16:13.38 | Arkenoi | did not help. fuck! |
| 16:13.50 | aSIMULAtor | global? |
| 16:13.58 | timeless_mbp | yeah, i'd pick global |
| 16:14.07 | t0or | FredrIQ, timeless_mbp: i see |
| 16:14.15 | aSIMULAtor | this is interesting though everyone i know who has an n900 is having friggin trouble with pr1.2 |
| 16:14.21 | Corsac | works for me |
| 16:14.29 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: i'm not :) |
| 16:14.42 | aSIMULAtor | i didnt' have problems either |
| 16:14.48 | marmoute | timeless_mbp: you have it for month :-) |
| 16:14.48 | timeless_mbp | i mean, minus a bug which two people found in the browser earlier this week... |
| 16:14.50 | aSIMULAtor | i was able to update over hte air |
| 16:14.54 | timeless_mbp | marmoute: yeah well |
| 16:15.08 | timeless_mbp | i mean, it isn't perfect, but⦠actually |
| 16:15.10 | timeless_mbp | i have 2 devices |
| 16:15.14 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 16:15.21 | SpeedEvil | AstralStorm: Worked first time flawlessly for me |
| 16:15.22 | timeless_mbp | no, iirc they're both running pr1.2 official |
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| 16:15.33 | timeless_mbp | one was running a pre for a bit, but i think it got updated last week |
| 16:15.37 | SpeedEvil | Also - yay - back is now back. |
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| 16:15.41 | timeless_mbp | installs some random app |
| 16:15.50 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.55 | Corsac | hmmh, is there a status.net (ex identi.ca) app? |
| 16:17.04 | Arkenoi | sucks. other suggestions? |
| 16:18.00 | Arkenoi | 'd torture the asshole who made such shamanic practices required the way he deserves if i could get my hands on him |
| 16:18.20 | tripzero | i can has wifi mac addy? |
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| 16:20.04 | Trizt | how much free do you need on the / to be able to update? I have now 42.1 and it don't seem to be enough |
| 16:21.42 | oilgame_ | http://pastebin.org/283577 Have I done something or should rootfs really be just 227.5MB? |
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| 16:22.05 | oilgame_ | I cant even update to PR1.2, because it requires over 100MB free space. |
| 16:22.18 | SpeedEvil | oilgame: No, it dordn't |
| 16:22.21 | johnsu01 | do I actually need to reflash in order to update to 1.2? |
| 16:22.29 | SpeedEvil | oilgame: I had about 55. |
| 16:22.31 | timeless_mbp | johnsu01: 'no' |
| 16:22.37 | FredrIQ | hmm |
| 16:22.37 | johnsu01 | (as the updater is telling me I have to use the nokia pc application) |
| 16:23.00 | timeless_mbp | johnsu01: you probably have a conflict⦠do you have rootsh installed? |
| 16:23.02 | Bluewind | anyone else has issues with the chat history not showing up? |
| 16:23.04 | *** part/#maemo zokier (zokier@xob.kapsi.fi) |
| 16:23.07 | timeless_mbp | actually |
| 16:23.08 | johnsu01 | timeless_mbp: yes |
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| 16:23.19 | timeless_mbp | wonders if the hildon-application-manager log feature is useful |
| 16:23.30 | Arkenoi | fuck! it was kernel-module-joydev! |
| 16:23.45 | oilgame_ | SpeedEvi: When I try to update it only says that I dont have enaught free space.. |
| 16:23.56 | timeless_mbp | before you run to the console, try tapping application manager's title area and selecting 'log' |
| 16:24.03 | timeless_mbp | you should be able to tap 'save as' |
| 16:24.12 | timeless_mbp | (this assumes your current session has a failed install attempt) |
| 16:24.22 | timeless_mbp | save the log, and stick it somewhere |
| 16:24.35 | timeless_mbp | if we're lucky, the log explains why ham refused to update your system :) |
| 16:24.36 | a-saint | hello guys am unable to download the new N900 maemo update "Not enough memory in target location" |
| 16:24.59 | timeless_mbp | does someone have a nice faq url for a-saint? (there is one) |
| 16:25.14 | MiXu- | a-saint, oilgame_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 16:25.28 | Arkenoi | should i change any repository information after update to get correct 1.2 versions of packages? |
| 16:25.43 | a-saint | MiXu- thanks a lot |
| 16:25.52 | MiXu- | Arkenoi: not necessary |
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| 16:25.58 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: ideally everything should magically DoTheRightThing ⢠:) |
| 16:26.43 | oilgame_ | MiXu-: ty |
| 16:26.47 | MohammadAG_ | but hey, BadThingsHappen |
| 16:26.49 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 16:27.01 | MiXu- | np |
| 16:27.29 | Bluewind | where's the chat history saved in pr 1.2? |
| 16:27.36 | blizzow | anyone got an idea how long the update should take? |
| 16:27.51 | Bluewind | blizzow: took 3h or something like that here |
| 16:27.56 | Bluewind | though that was OTA |
| 16:27.58 | timeless_mbp | Bluewind: same place it is before? it's in a sqlite db |
| 16:28.02 | blizzow | three hours??! |
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| 16:28.05 | Bluewind | timeless_mbp: where? |
| 16:28.23 | MiXu- | Took me about 30 minutes iirc |
| 16:28.23 | timeless_mbp | Bluewind: there's a wiki page which covers this stuff :) |
| 16:28.26 | PhonicUK | hey all, is there a way to view alt text in the browser? |
| 16:28.37 | blizzow | Was that in the download or the actual upgrade? |
| 16:28.39 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: in 1.2 view-source:<url> |
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| 16:28.41 | johnsu01 | timeless_mbp: only error seems to be a gpg error from the mozilla repa |
| 16:28.44 | johnsu01 | repo |
| 16:28.48 | tgalal | how do I launch the Conversations app from terminal ??? It's not reading the restored db file and I need to debug it |
| 16:28.48 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 16:28.52 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: or turn off downloading images |
| 16:29.09 | timeless_mbp | (in adjust view) |
| 16:29.16 | timeless_mbp | johnsu01: darn |
| 16:29.23 | timeless_mbp | time to use XTerminal :) |
| 16:29.26 | Bluewind | timeless_mbp: it's not that I wouldn't google before asking |
| 16:30.28 | Corsac | grmnl, tmo search only gives the thread, not the post or the page |
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| 16:30.38 | timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45221 the last comment on the first page lists the relevant directory (.rtcom-eventlogger) |
| 16:30.39 | PhonicUK | thats annoying |
| 16:30.43 | PhonicUK | ah well |
| 16:30.54 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: why? |
| 16:30.59 | timeless_mbp | what do you need them for? |
| 16:31.09 | Bluewind | timeless_mbp: thx |
| 16:31.09 | PhonicUK | xkcd |
| 16:31.17 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: xkcd is broken |
| 16:31.21 | timeless_mbp | tell them to fix their site |
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| 16:31.40 | PhonicUK | ? seems fine to me |
| 16:31.45 | timeless_mbp | alt is *ALTERNATE* text |
| 16:31.51 | timeless_mbp | it is not "magic secret text" |
| 16:31.58 | timeless_mbp | it's supposed to be *equivalent* to the picture |
| 16:32.03 | PhonicUK | hes actually using the title tag |
| 16:32.09 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 16:32.13 | timeless_mbp | that's not the same as ALT |
| 16:32.17 | timeless_mbp | if you mean TITLE, say TITLE |
| 16:32.21 | timeless_mbp | hates users |
| 16:32.32 | PhonicUK | which is legit |
| 16:32.33 | timeless_mbp | if you're a user, please say "i want to see something when I hover over the picture" |
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| 16:32.40 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 16:32.41 | timeless_mbp | you want to use Mouse Mode |
| 16:32.50 | timeless_mbp | or Interactive Mode, however you want to call it |
| 16:32.57 | PhonicUK | im a dev :p |
| 16:32.58 | timeless_mbp | which was supported in the original sales release |
| 16:33.08 | timeless_mbp | you're a bad dev, please go back to pretending to be a user. |
| 16:33.13 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 16:33.25 | timeless_mbp | ⦠and is documented all over, including in the maemo.nokia.com page |
| 16:33.41 | PhonicUK | i didnt realise he was using label instead of alt until i looked at the code |
| 16:33.43 | timeless_mbp | http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam |
| 16:33.46 | timeless_mbp | you should watch their videos |
| 16:33.51 | timeless_mbp | see, view-source: saved the day! |
| 16:33.58 | timeless_mbp | a pr1.2 feature :) |
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| 16:34.23 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: where's the browser howto? i can't find it in that youtube page |
| 16:34.33 | RST38h | wonders how to make portrait mode stick in some applications |
| 16:34.37 | PhonicUK | i dislike that the bookmarks and history buttons swapped places |
| 16:34.49 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 16:34.53 | PhonicUK | and the new OSK |
| 16:35.05 | timeless_mbp | the new osk is /mostly/ better than the old one |
| 16:35.10 | SpeedEvil | I hate the new osk |
| 16:35.11 | timeless_mbp | sadly they regressed some 1.1 features :( |
| 16:35.20 | SpeedEvil | In what ways is it better? |
| 16:35.28 | PhonicUK | the text keeps changing size as i type :/ |
| 16:35.31 | timeless_mbp | including a community negotiated feature :( |
| 16:35.35 | PhonicUK | really annoying |
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| 16:35.40 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: eh? |
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| 16:35.56 | PhonicUK | use the OSK to type a long message. |
| 16:36.09 | defragger | why is the rootfs that small? |
| 16:36.19 | SpeedEvil | defragger: Because the / device is 256M |
| 16:36.26 | PhonicUK | after the 1st line, it changes size every time you type a char |
| 16:36.30 | w00t_ | timeless_mbp: do you know how to use OSK to type a | character since 1.2 btw? I can't figure that out for the life of me.. |
| 16:36.47 | PhonicUK | pause typing and it changes again |
| 16:36.48 | defragger | ah ok i see |
| 16:36.50 | defragger | thx |
| 16:36.51 | w00t_ | ah |
| 16:36.54 | w00t_ | and i just found out how.. |
| 16:37.04 | w00t_ | (a bit nonobvious that symbols change when you hit shift) |
| 16:37.10 | PhonicUK | found it too |
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| 16:37.17 | PhonicUK | thats annoying too |
| 16:37.18 | pillar | hey where is the skype video calling available at? |
| 16:37.28 | timeless_mbp | w00t_: installing hebrew breaks the hardware keyboard, so i press fn-EUR and get | |
| 16:37.29 | SpeedEvil | In some ways I hate all the little 'obvious' ways of doing stuff. |
| 16:37.29 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 16:37.32 | PhonicUK | pillar, contacts list |
| 16:37.35 | pillar | I just installed PR1.2 and wanted to try it |
| 16:37.37 | timeless_mbp | pillar: normal contacts |
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| 16:37.48 | timeless_mbp | it depends on whether skype "thinks" the other party is video enabled |
| 16:37.52 | SpeedEvil | I would love in many cases a popup the first time I use a feature explainind stuff. |
| 16:38.08 | PhonicUK | you have to be logged into skype for the option to show |
| 16:38.10 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: way too logical |
| 16:38.10 | SpeedEvil | For exampl - click application manager - 'Hey - do you know you can rearrange these icons by...' |
| 16:38.17 | PhonicUK | i made that mistake |
| 16:38.29 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: you mean the app launcher not application manager :) |
| 16:38.39 | SpeedEvil | Rather than randomly spastically clicking on bits of decoration. |
| 16:38.43 | SpeedEvil | timeless: indeed. |
| 16:38.56 | pillar | ok, skype is showing that my friends status is offline so that's maybe why |
| 16:39.00 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: we've asked for that repeatedly |
| 16:39.00 | Aranel | files located @ /home/user/.something counts as rootfs or optified? |
| 16:39.11 | timeless_mbp | pillar: yeah, you can't make video calls to people who aren't online :) |
| 16:39.17 | cehteh | pillar: yes no video chat selection for offline people |
| 16:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Aranel: /home/ is a different filesystem |
| 16:39.35 | pillar | they are online for sure though, I just talked normal skype call |
| 16:39.38 | SpeedEvil | Aranel: As is MyDocs |
| 16:39.49 | timeless_mbp | pillar: are they invisible or something? |
| 16:39.52 | pillar | it's just that the status hasn't updated |
| 16:39.58 | Aranel | SpeedEvil: so everything stored under /home/ is not gonna help me for freeing up rootfs space, isnt it? |
| 16:40.03 | MaikB | Hi folks. Am I imagining it, or is 1.2 quite a bit snappier? |
| 16:40.08 | SpeedEvil | Aranel: Not at all. |
| 16:40.11 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rSDf2IkmLs |
| 16:40.15 | Aranel | SpeedEvil: thanks =) |
| 16:40.16 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: In some ways. |
| 16:40.35 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: I still get occasional music stalls when compiling a kernel. |
| 16:40.38 | timeless_mbp | < Nokia N900: How to use Mouse Mode > |
| 16:41.04 | MaikB | SpeedEvil, you compile kernels on device? |
| 16:41.05 | joga | does anyone know what the sizes reported by app manager are actually? |
| 16:41.11 | MaikB | awesome lol |
| 16:41.13 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: I'm just trying it. |
| 16:41.45 | SpeedEvil | MaikB: It's at net/packet after a couple of hours |
| 16:42.05 | PhonicUK | i know about mouse mode :p |
| 16:42.48 | Aranel | any good apps for graphical disk usage? DiskUsage shows lots of /home/ folders, even If I ask for rootfs space :/ |
| 16:42.48 | PhonicUK | wtf, they moved backspace to the BOTTOM of the OSK?!?! |
| 16:42.55 | PhonicUK | retards! |
| 16:43.14 | Bluewind | ok ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db ist still here and ok, but the gui doesn't show the logs |
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| 16:43.20 | joga | PhonicUK: maybe you can use ukeyboard to make it better? I haven't tried it though |
| 16:43.26 | ShadowJK | Just let some schoolchildren play scrabble, then take the OSK layout from the result |
| 16:43.28 | PhonicUK | Aranel, storage usage is good |
| 16:43.33 | Bluewind | permissions also seem ok |
| 16:43.44 | PhonicUK | it shows by filesystem instead of by tree |
| 16:43.46 | MaikB | SpeedEvil, I didn't build my own kernel since my gentoo days :) |
| 16:43.53 | PhonicUK | conky is a must have too |
| 16:44.03 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: yeah well, the people who designed the new OSK aren't the brightest |
| 16:44.08 | Aranel | PhonicUK: thanks, trying it now =) |
| 16:44.14 | PhonicUK | no kidding |
| 16:44.23 | timeless_mbp | in general, their changes weren't so bad |
| 16:44.33 | aSIMULAtor | hrm |
| 16:44.37 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, the backspace should have been top right |
| 16:44.38 | Bluewind | ah http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53762 |
| 16:44.40 | timeless_mbp | that's unfortunate |
| 16:44.46 | aSIMULAtor | yeah and how are you going to put it at hte top right |
| 16:44.51 | aSIMULAtor | if it's a friggin dialog now |
| 16:44.58 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: ? |
| 16:44.59 | PhonicUK | theres more stuff i hate in 1.2 than i like |
| 16:45.08 | aSIMULAtor | i'm talking about the backspace |
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| 16:45.14 | aSIMULAtor | add another row? |
| 16:45.14 | a-saint | MiXu- isn't there a way to increase the root space |
| 16:45.18 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: the OSK has 4 rows |
| 16:45.30 | lardman | ~lart Ubuntu updates for breaking things |
| 16:45.30 | infobot | cuts off Ubuntu updates's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for breaking things |
| 16:45.35 | timeless_mbp | take the backspace key from row 4 and move it to row 1, move rows 1..3 to 2..4 |
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| 16:45.47 | timeless_mbp | i.e. "top right of the OSK" |
| 16:46.01 | PhonicUK | the osk should have stayed full screen |
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| 16:46.17 | timeless_mbp | PhonicUK: the full screen keyboard was moderately painful |
| 16:46.20 | timeless_mbp | and problematic |
| 16:46.38 | xorAxAx | what could be the reason for this apt problem? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218573/ |
| 16:46.48 | PhonicUK | better than this imo |
| 16:46.52 | xorAxAx | anybody seen that? |
| 16:46.57 | pillar | it's annoying that the Call with skype to the cell number is visible right away, but the actual skype call one has to scroll for.. |
| 16:47.03 | aSIMULAtor | from what i remember, the reason why the backspace key was added to hte lowest row is cause it's right next to your thumb |
| 16:47.07 | PhonicUK | using it now on the bus |
| 16:47.21 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: interesting |
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| 16:47.31 | aSIMULAtor | enter, backspace, blah blah |
| 16:47.32 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: it would be nice if people published their explanations |
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| 16:47.44 | PhonicUK | but my thumbs are in the middle, not at the bottom |
| 16:47.49 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: personally, having just been a user experience guinea pig for a future OSK |
| 16:47.50 | aSIMULAtor | are your thumbs retarded |
| 16:48.10 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: it's easier for me to hit the top right of the OSK than the bottom right |
| 16:48.29 | timeless_mbp | because it's a radial sweep away from the bottom right corner of the device |
| 16:48.40 | aSIMULAtor | i would have prefered it not to be a dialog |
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| 16:48.50 | aSIMULAtor | but yeah as you said, problems with it being full screen |
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| 16:49.10 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: why do you think that apt-cache output indicates a problem? |
| 16:49.31 | aSIMULAtor | though also, i think that hte on screen keyboard is somewhat supposed to look like how a regular kb looks like which i think it does |
| 16:49.40 | SpeedEvil | Deal with it by making the 'return' icon look like close |
| 16:49.42 | aSIMULAtor | backspace would have been good at hte top |
| 16:49.43 | aSIMULAtor | but |
| 16:49.48 | aSIMULAtor | what about hte other languages? |
| 16:49.51 | SpeedEvil | space is too large now |
| 16:50.12 | GNU\caust1c | hi! is there a way to update the n900 without the nokia software? |
| 16:50.18 | Stskeeps | GNU\caust1c: yes, flasher-3. |
| 16:50.18 | Stskeeps | 5 |
| 16:50.22 | timeless_mbp | GNU\caust1c: eh? |
| 16:50.29 | timeless_mbp | you can use SSU, Flasher, or NSU |
| 16:50.31 | MohammadAG_ | ~flashing |
| 16:50.32 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:50.32 | zaheerm | TomaszD, ping |
| 16:50.34 | Bluewind | GNU\caust1c: apt-get dist-upgrade but takes ages |
| 16:50.35 | timeless_mbp | all of that is nokia software |
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| 16:50.54 | TomaszD | zaheerm, pong |
| 16:51.05 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: you're around these days, right? |
| 16:51.06 | PhonicUK | the osk should match a real one as close as possible imo |
| 16:51.06 | PhonicUK | same here |
| 16:51.06 | PhonicUK | and you need backspace a lot in the osk |
| 16:51.12 | MohammadAG_ | MeeGo 1.0 out? |
| 16:51.13 | TomaszD | zaheerm, is it that time again? |
| 16:51.17 | aSIMULAtor | in the office? |
| 16:51.21 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 16:51.25 | aSIMULAtor | yep same place |
| 16:51.27 | zaheerm | TomaszD, i created gstreamer plugin packages so we can get webm support in, any chance you can add it to extra decoders |
| 16:51.46 | aSIMULAtor | timeless |
| 16:51.51 | zaheerm | TomaszD, and add the tracker-register-mimetype stuff for video/webm |
| 16:51.51 | aSIMULAtor | batts her eyelashes at timeless |
| 16:51.52 | GNU\caust1c | hmk |
| 16:51.57 | aSIMULAtor | my friend is having problems with pr1.2 |
| 16:52.03 | TomaszD | zaheerm, sure, I was kind of thinking if we need any updates for the other gstreamer packages |
| 16:52.17 | timeless_mbp | come visit me some time |
| 16:52.22 | blizzow | so fmms is in extras once I install 1.2? |
| 16:52.23 | timeless_mbp | what's wrong? :) |
| 16:52.25 | blizzow | and will work? |
| 16:52.26 | aSIMULAtor | what flor |
| 16:52.30 | aSIMULAtor | same? |
| 16:52.31 | timeless_mbp | e3 |
| 16:52.35 | aSIMULAtor | k |
| 16:52.39 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 16:52.40 | zaheerm | TomaszD, no need for updates, tho we could use the opportunity to push new versions of plugins in |
| 16:52.44 | timeless_mbp | in now fwiw |
| 16:52.57 | MiXu- | a-saint: no, there's no way to increase rootfs size since it's on a separate chip. |
| 16:53.02 | aSIMULAtor | i haven't been on this irc in a long time |
| 16:53.04 | TomaszD | zaheerm, yeah, mkv, musepack and others |
| 16:53.08 | Arkenoi | now watching NOKIA logo for several minutes |
| 16:53.12 | Arkenoi | is that ok? |
| 16:53.12 | zaheerm | TomaszD, well i already did mkv |
| 16:53.18 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: it should merge all versions to one |
| 16:53.27 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: it thinks that it needs to update that and other packages |
| 16:53.31 | KMFDM | nokia software updator keeps failign for me |
| 16:53.32 | zaheerm | TomaszD, needed for webm support |
| 16:53.33 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: after update, it still thinks so |
| 16:53.33 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ok so we could do musepack and rm then |
| 16:53.34 | KMFDM | with downloading update failed |
| 16:53.44 | KMFDM | it keeps trying to resume a download it seems |
| 16:53.52 | KMFDM | as it always jumps to 33.6MB done |
| 16:53.54 | KMFDM | then fials |
| 16:53.55 | KMFDM | fails |
| 16:54.03 | TomaszD | and then push out new decoders-support with updated dependencies |
| 16:54.15 | zaheerm | TomaszD, yah good idea |
| 16:54.18 | MohammadAG_ | MeeGo 1.0 out* |
| 16:54.20 | Arkenoi | it would suck if i will be finally forced to pc reflash |
| 16:54.23 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: hrm |
| 16:54.27 | aSIMULAtor | timeless: meet kmfdm my friend out of the other many who are having problems |
| 16:54.35 | TomaszD | zaheerm, I need the mimetypes for webm |
| 16:54.36 | Arkenoi | but there is no progress, just nokia logo |
| 16:54.57 | timeless_mbp | so, you don't really want to use 'policy' |
| 16:55.02 | KMFDM | my problem seems to be nokia software updater |
| 16:55.10 | zaheerm | TomaszD, video/webm |
| 16:55.17 | TomaszD | k |
| 16:55.26 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: policy is basically saying " you have 3 repositories configured with the same host which claim to offer the same version" |
| 16:55.30 | MiXu- | KMFDM: Do you have the latest NSU? |
| 16:55.34 | KMFDM | yes |
| 16:55.34 | zaheerm | TomaszD, and it needs to pick up latest gstreamer0.10-mkv package plus gstreamer0.10-vp8 |
| 16:55.35 | timeless_mbp | they might not be the same package version :) |
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| 16:55.37 | KMFDM | i installed the update today |
| 16:55.48 | timeless_mbp | hi KMFDM |
| 16:55.52 | KMFDM | hi timeless |
| 16:55.52 | TomaszD | zaheerm, how about moving registering mimetypes to the metapackage like we planned |
| 16:55.58 | TomaszD | was there a good plan for this? |
| 16:56.06 | aSIMULAtor | no email app shortcut for desktop? |
| 16:56.06 | johnsu01 | timeless_mbp: it looks like my problem might just be space after all.. |
| 16:56.09 | TomaszD | I can't think of one that doesn't break things |
| 16:56.12 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: no, it has to look like this: |
| 16:56.39 | zaheerm | TomaszD, which mimetypes need to move to the metapackage? |
| 16:56.46 | TomaszD | let me see |
| 16:57.06 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218576 |
| 16:57.20 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: try apt-cache showpkg ⦠instead of policy ... |
| 16:57.50 | blizzow | wow meego uses btrfs. |
| 16:58.15 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: 4 provides lines :-( |
| 16:58.16 | PhonicUK | i did a reflash, ota install died on me |
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| 16:58.50 | Arkenoi | phonic: how it died? |
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| 16:59.01 | MohammadAG_ | Arkenoi, I said 1.0 |
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| 16:59.05 | MohammadAG_ | not 0.1 |
| 16:59.12 | Arkenoi | tries to figure out if it died or just stuck for a while |
| 16:59.14 | MohammadAG_ | anyways, i'll reflash it soon, not |
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| 16:59.25 | xorAxAx | timeless_mbp: brb, this issue seems to block also the pr 1.2 upgrade |
| 16:59.37 | timeless_mbp | xorAxAx: pastebin the showpkg output? |
| 16:59.49 | PhonicUK | lol ptl |
| 16:59.51 | Arkenoi | 10 minutes of blue NOKIA logo |
| 17:00.03 | TomaszD | zaheerm, decoders-support only registers matroska and mpeg2 transport stream |
| 17:00.15 | Arkenoi | is it too much? should i turn it off until it drained battery completely? |
| 17:00.28 | PhonicUK | mine took 5 mins to boot, rootfs was full, nothing worked |
| 17:00.33 | blizzow | Arkenoi: I thought mine died, I had to hold in the power button for a few seconds and then it went to a nokia screen and said it's "installing software update" |
| 17:00.38 | PhonicUK | so i reflahed with maemo flashed |
| 17:00.49 | PhonicUK | ~flashing |
| 17:00.50 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:00.53 | zaheerm | TomaszD, so realmedia one needs to be done, what else |
| 17:01.02 | blizzow | ~flashing |
| 17:01.03 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:01.03 | TomaszD | and musepack |
| 17:01.12 | TomaszD | zaheerm, ^ |
| 17:01.15 | blizzow | ~bj |
| 17:01.16 | infobot | well, bj is Benin |
| 17:01.28 | PhonicUK | ~42 |
| 17:01.29 | infobot | 42 is, like, the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 17:01.41 | Arkenoi | will wait 5 more minutes and then will try to restart it either way |
| 17:01.46 | PhonicUK | ~phonicuk |
| 17:01.53 | PhonicUK | aw |
| 17:02.14 | blizzow | ~infobot |
| 17:02.15 | infobot | well, infobot is the most helpful and smartest of all the bots |
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| 17:02.23 | blizzow | ~meego |
| 17:02.24 | infobot | rumour has it, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices |
| 17:02.28 | PhonicUK | ~cheese |
| 17:02.29 | infobot | i heard cheese is pure awesomesause. I love cheese. |
| 17:02.29 | blizzow | ~maemo |
| 17:02.29 | infobot | somebody said maemo was http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml |
| 17:02.40 | blizzow | ~btrfs |
| 17:02.46 | PhonicUK | ~n910 |
| 17:02.47 | papo | hello |
| 17:02.51 | blizzow | ~BP |
| 17:02.52 | infobot | i heard bp is pb backwards |
| 17:02.55 | PhonicUK | ~n920 |
| 17:02.59 | PhonicUK | ~n900 |
| 17:03.00 | infobot | i heard n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside |
| 17:03.01 | TomaszD | zaheerm, what would be the solution, push everything at once? |
| 17:03.06 | blizzow | ~British Petroleum |
| 17:03.14 | TomaszD | could you two stop doing this? |
| 17:03.16 | PhonicUK | ~google |
| 17:03.17 | infobot | google is probably http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google |
| 17:03.35 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 17:03.40 | blizzow | Sorry TomaszD, I'll private message infobot with this. |
| 17:04.06 | TomaszD | zaheerm, or push the updated metapackage first, it won't be installable, then push the decoders |
| 17:04.09 | papo | I'm flashing my N900 and am wondering about the following things: 1. what exactly does the MMC image contain? wiki sais that I don't need it but some other bogs etc. want me to flash it. 2) what is not contained in the backup done by the backup utility? |
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| 17:04.27 | Stskeeps | papo: it overwrites your 32gb storage |
| 17:04.36 | Arkenoi | well, power button does not respond either |
| 17:04.46 | Arkenoi | will wait a little more and remove accumulator |
| 17:04.46 | PhonicUK | take the battery out |
| 17:04.52 | timeless_mbp | sorry, irc client crashed, time for an update :) |
| 17:05.14 | papo | Stskeeps: Hm ok but what would one to flash that storage in the first place? Isn't it more or less empty? |
| 17:05.20 | papo | I mean when you first get the device |
| 17:05.29 | Stskeeps | papo: it's the same thing that's flashed initialyl to the device |
| 17:05.57 | Arkenoi | got Nokia logo |
| 17:06.03 | Arkenoi | then bubbles running |
| 17:06.10 | Arkenoi | then nokia logo again |
| 17:06.12 | papo | Stskeeps: to be honest I have no idea what was in there initially |
| 17:06.35 | Arkenoi | bubbles running again |
| 17:06.46 | Arkenoi | and it powered itself off |
| 17:06.47 | papo | Stskeeps: so if I don't flash the MMC I will keep my home with all the podcasts and dot files/directories etc.? |
| 17:06.59 | Stskeeps | papo: right. but i would just do OTA update |
| 17:07.02 | Arkenoi | then on, nokia logo again |
| 17:07.11 | papo | Stskeeps: this doesn't work for me for some reasons |
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| 17:07.31 | MiXu- | Arkenoi: How long since you started the update? |
| 17:07.32 | Arkenoi | i guess it is a loop and it is dead |
| 17:07.43 | papo | Stskeeps: I just never get the message of a pending OS upgrade. I get notifications for programs, though |
| 17:07.48 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: bubbles? |
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| 17:08.04 | Arkenoi | MiXu-, half and hour |
| 17:08.26 | joga | is 45MB enough? |
| 17:08.34 | MiXu- | Arkenoi: Ok. I don't recall it powering off that much while upgrading. |
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| 17:08.41 | Arkenoi | looks quite like a reboot loop, it boots up to different stages (i've seen a desktop wallpaper once even) and then reboots again |
| 17:08.48 | Khertan_n900 | Hi ! |
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| 17:08.53 | joga | Arkenoi: on charger? |
| 17:09.24 | Arkenoi | joga: nope, should i? |
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| 17:09.29 | joga | Arkenoi: I dunno. I've had such loops when I was using a charger that didn't actually have the muscle to charge the device |
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| 17:09.53 | papo | Stskeeps: I don't even understand how this is supposed to work... I read reports like "1.2 available in UK today" and stuff like that, how can this be rolled out country by country anyway? |
| 17:10.33 | joga | in the package details it says "Updating 'Maemo 5' requires 20,0 MB of device memory".. |
| 17:10.50 | microlith | papo: the repositories are marked off by region |
| 17:10.52 | joga | meh, quite confusing |
| 17:11.06 | papo | microlith: oh ok |
| 17:11.18 | marmoute | joga: it will download much more. Then upgrade. then remove download. |
| 17:11.22 | Arkenoi | damn if i knew i will be forced to PC reflash anyways i'd installed leakware the first week it appeared |
| 17:11.25 | marmoute | 20 more Mo will remain after that |
| 17:11.30 | joga | marmoute: won't it download them to the flash card? |
| 17:11.41 | marmoute | joga: how are you tring to upgrade ? |
| 17:11.47 | joga | marmoute: from the app manager |
| 17:12.34 | joga | I suppose it's possible even though it says it will use 113,1MB in the package view, and I don't think you have that much free rootfs even with a vanilla device? |
| 17:13.13 | timeless_mbp | files bug reports against a software platform using the n900 :o |
| 17:13.57 | Aranel | is it ok to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin ? they took 3.9 megabytes. |
| 17:14.49 | zaheerm | TomaszD, push the decoders then the metapackage in v ery close succession |
| 17:15.07 | Trizt | not enough space on rootfs when having 45.4MB free (4.2 more if purged some tempfiles) |
| 17:15.26 | joga | hey, it started updating, complained about putting the charger in and told me to try again, but it didn't stop and just continued after I put it on charge and clicked the notification away |
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| 17:15.40 | joga | I wonder if it now did all the proper disk space checks etc ;P |
| 17:15.54 | microlith | boggles as he taps a mail notification and the mail window pops up faster than ever |
| 17:15.55 | PhonicUK | i have 85MB free on rootfs since the update :) |
| 17:15.56 | Arkenoi | Malfunction -- device shutdown in 10s |
| 17:16.12 | PhonicUK | a lot of stuff is faster now |
| 17:16.13 | tripzero | oh noes |
| 17:16.16 | joga | Arkenoi :/ |
| 17:16.20 | tripzero | self destruct sequence initiated |
| 17:16.28 | joga | hoping for the best |
| 17:16.31 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 17:16.37 | PhonicUK | reflash :p |
| 17:16.49 | wazd | my update thru NSU took about 30 seconds or so |
| 17:16.51 | joga | reflashing is wrong because it can be fixed! :p |
| 17:17.01 | Trizt | anyone know how much free space you need before update? |
| 17:17.04 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: hey, did my package finally update properly? :) |
| 17:17.09 | PhonicUK | reflashing gets rid of loads of junk |
| 17:17.13 | joga | Trizt: I just started the update with 45MB, but it's not done yet |
| 17:17.16 | timeless_mbp | i think at least in .1 the package should work. i hope. |
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| 17:17.31 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; yes, it seemed to work now |
| 17:17.32 | timeless_mbp | hasn't deployed it officially yet, but will once Trizt confirms |
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| 17:17.35 | timeless_mbp | woohoo! |
| 17:17.39 | timeless_mbp | goes to flip the switch |
| 17:17.46 | skynets | wtf |
| 17:17.55 | skynets | turned off the phone 2 hours after updating |
| 17:17.58 | skynets | it wont turn on anymore |
| 17:18.11 | PhonicUK | battery flat? |
| 17:18.12 | Arkenoi | so which file do i need? |
| 17:18.13 | Trizt | at least I'm back on having your excelent translation instead of the default english and the buttons seems to be as they should |
| 17:18.19 | joga | battery is the first thing I'd check |
| 17:18.22 | skynets | battery full |
| 17:18.41 | skynets | wow reseated battery twice and it works now |
| 17:18.41 | PhonicUK | remove it, wait, put it back |
| 17:18.43 | joga | skynets: does the led light up when you try? |
| 17:18.44 | Trizt | joga; each time I try it says I have to flash instead of OTA |
| 17:18.44 | joga | heh |
| 17:18.50 | skynets | first time this happens |
| 17:18.57 | Trizt | soon uninstalled everything |
| 17:18.59 | joga | Trizt: how much free rootfs space do you have? |
| 17:19.25 | joga | Trizt: yeah, I did that too, but most of it was optified I guess and took away a lot without getting much rootfs back |
| 17:19.42 | a-saint | isn't there a way to increase the root space on N900 |
| 17:19.45 | GAN900 | reads the MeeGo/N900 thread. |
| 17:19.46 | fragment | Trizt: do you have gles1 libs or games installed? |
| 17:20.09 | Trizt | joga; 45.4 |
| 17:20.13 | chadi | is anybody having a problem with qtirreco? |
| 17:20.14 | joga | a-saint: there are of course ways, but I guess not all of them are something everyone agrees on |
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| 17:20.37 | joga | chadi: what sort you have? |
| 17:20.39 | chadi | I can't download a remote |
| 17:20.41 | Trizt | fragment; I think I now have just the default games gles1 I don't know |
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| 17:20.51 | skynets | 1.2 is so buggy |
| 17:20.56 | chadi | in the download remote section, i have nothing |
| 17:21.09 | a-saint | joga can't install the new update because of root space |
| 17:21.10 | skynets | its freezing right now |
| 17:21.11 | joga | skynets: how? |
| 17:21.14 | skynets | really slow |
| 17:21.16 | skynets | lagging |
| 17:21.16 | aquatix | hm, is there a known issue about the backup app on n900 not wanting to backup? |
| 17:21.29 | aquatix | as in, stuck on 0% |
| 17:21.31 | joga | skynets: if there's something more important going on than then gui, things will lag |
| 17:21.35 | joga | *than the |
| 17:21.43 | timeless_mbp | aquatix: i know of a case if you have symlink mazes |
| 17:21.45 | timeless_mbp | beyond that, no |
| 17:21.49 | joga | a dual core would help ;) |
| 17:21.51 | aquatix | odd |
| 17:21.57 | PhonicUK | aquatix, mine did that |
| 17:22.06 | skynets | now screen is blank |
| 17:22.06 | timeless_mbp | aquatix: you should be able to look at the backup app using sshd and the procfs |
| 17:22.07 | aquatix | timeless_mbp: it's a default used install |
| 17:22.07 | skynets | black |
| 17:22.09 | timeless_mbp | or strace |
| 17:22.09 | PhonicUK | jumped to 100 after a few mins |
| 17:22.17 | timeless_mbp | aquatix: no evil stuff? |
| 17:22.18 | aquatix | PhonicUK: oh |
| 17:22.24 | skynets | still lagging |
| 17:22.33 | aquatix | timeless_mbp: no, it's my girl's phone |
| 17:22.33 | PhonicUK | just takes a while |
| 17:22.39 | timeless_mbp | aquatix: i've done ~5 backups w/ pr12 |
| 17:22.39 | aquatix | nothing weird |
| 17:22.44 | microlith | skynets: sounds like my device occasionally, back on PR1.1.1 |
| 17:22.46 | timeless_mbp | plus a couple of restores w/o noticing anything annoying |
| 17:22.54 | timeless_mbp | the only annoying thing is that OTA disables BT |
| 17:22.55 | joga | skynets: I like to have the cpu tray applet, then I can always see when something's going on and if there's a reason it's lagging |
| 17:23.05 | aquatix | timeless_mbp: this is right before updating to 1.2 |
| 17:23.20 | timeless_mbp | aquatix: oh, um. i haven't used 1.1.1's backup in ages |
| 17:23.21 | joga | lol |
| 17:23.21 | a-saint | joga can't install the new update because of low root space |
| 17:23.27 | joga | got "operation failed" |
| 17:23.36 | timeless_mbp | but from memory they haven't been particularly active about fixing bugs :) |
| 17:23.37 | joga | it downloaded it but didn't get to install |
| 17:23.41 | Trizt | what was the command to purge pdkg not needed by dependencies? |
| 17:23.59 | joga | Trizt: hehe...yeah. |
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| 17:24.15 | joga | Trizt: it would be deborphan to list them, but apt-get doesn't handle it without it |
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| 17:24.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: moo |
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| 17:24.26 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: apt-get autoremove ? |
| 17:24.35 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, yo. |
| 17:24.43 | a-saint | joga no didn't download it said no free space target destination |
| 17:24.57 | ShadowJK | OTA disables BT? |
| 17:24.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: you pinged me? |
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| 17:25.24 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, I poked Quim about the device queue |
| 17:25.26 | joga | a-saint: yeah, but for me it did |
| 17:25.28 | joga | hmm |
| 17:25.32 | joga | it actually seems to be updating |
| 17:25.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: nice |
| 17:25.37 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; thanks |
| 17:25.40 | joga | there's a progress bar going slowly |
| 17:25.50 | chadi | joga: I get this: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8502&stc=1&d=1269885831 |
| 17:25.50 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: that's really sp 3000 |
| 17:25.55 | timeless_mbp | i'm just an audio irc proxy |
| 17:25.57 | joga | but I wonder, what was that operation failed...oh, maybe it was when I pressed camkey |
| 17:26.06 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, I'll let you know what something comes back. |
| 17:26.07 | a-saint | joga i see the update can't download |
| 17:26.26 | joga | a-saint: then I'm afraid you need to free up some space or reflash it if you want it fast |
| 17:26.30 | johnsu01 | hm I think I may be in a reboot loop here, maybe dist-upgrade wasn't so wise |
| 17:26.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: thanks |
| 17:27.01 | a-saint | joga i tried and freed some space but it wasn't enough |
| 17:27.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: btw my excuse not to use 1.2 has changed now :) |
| 17:27.12 | chadi | johnsu01: a lot of people were reporting problems with dist-upgrade |
| 17:27.21 | joga | if I restore a backup, are my /home configuration files gone? |
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| 17:27.38 | joga | a-saint: yeah, then keep on doing it :) |
| 17:27.40 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, I hear it may eat your children. |
| 17:27.41 | a-saint | joga i got 47.9 free space in / |
| 17:27.42 | johnsu01 | chadi: yeah, it's rebooting right after it loads the desktop wallpaper |
| 17:27.48 | joga | a-saint: I got less and it was enough |
| 17:27.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: exactly |
| 17:27.55 | joga | a-saint: try rebooting it and try again or somtehing |
| 17:27.55 | a-saint | really |
| 17:28.07 | joga | a-saint: *though* my update is not done yet, so hold on! |
| 17:28.11 | joga | let's see if it works ;P |
| 17:28.19 | a-saint | joga ok |
| 17:28.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: and I got none to sacrifice |
| 17:28.21 | joga | it's at about 20% |
| 17:28.41 | a-saint | joga yeah it's a big update |
| 17:28.58 | a-saint | joga but there must be a way to increase space |
| 17:29.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: so I might wait until cat of the neighbour is enough to feed it |
| 17:29.52 | chadi | johnsu01 but I have no idea and no experience to help you :) someone else might be able to help |
| 17:30.55 | joga | a-saint: there are risks involved in radically reorganizing things from the way they are now, but there are some tips in the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
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| 17:32.23 | a-saint | joga am trying to free all unused app lets see where it gets |
| 17:32.29 | chadi | a-saint: be aware that using the script on that page may brick your device.. |
| 17:32.58 | a-saint | chadi thanks for the warnning |
| 17:33.34 | chadi | a-saint: it happened to mine, that's why I'd like to warn people. it may not necessarily apply to you :) |
| 17:33.51 | chadi | I don't like the fact that they used the word "safely" |
| 17:34.23 | a-saint | chadi well i will try and not use any script |
| 17:34.50 | chadi | heh, good luck |
| 17:35.06 | a-saint | chadi thanks |
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| 17:36.15 | joga | at ~60%... |
| 17:36.23 | a-saint | joga i got this link earlier |
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| 17:36.51 | joga | ok |
| 17:37.52 | a-saint | joga worked according to it |
| 17:38.07 | joga | this is almost done.. |
| 17:38.07 | a-saint | joga and still removing app lol |
| 17:38.37 | joga | yeah I know, I got rid of everything big and most of the averages :) |
| 17:39.10 | lcuk | a-saint, how much space have you got? and have you already disabled -devel and -testing |
| 17:39.22 | lcuk | space on / and also /home |
| 17:39.28 | MohammadAG_ | bah, meego is a raw file |
| 17:39.36 | MohammadAG_ | assuming it needs reflashing |
| 17:39.56 | a-saint | lcuk yeah done the disable repos |
| 17:40.00 | MohammadAG_ | it took half an hour to reinstall my apps, i'm not wasting that time again |
| 17:40.15 | joga | rebooting... |
| 17:40.19 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, ? |
| 17:40.32 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, meego.com |
| 17:40.53 | lcuk | reinstall apps where on meego or back onto maemo |
| 17:41.17 | MohammadAG_ | maemo |
| 17:41.30 | MohammadAG_ | when i upgraded to PR1.2 |
| 17:42.02 | lcuk | from 1.1.9 or whatever you had :D |
| 17:42.33 | blizzow | Anyone know how to start a video call with a gmail account? |
| 17:43.35 | MaikB | My N900 performs much better since I upgraded to 1.2 |
| 17:43.41 | MaikB | I'm very happy so far |
| 17:43.52 | MiXu- | I'm trying to upload my app to extras-devel but I get this error: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/dgscores_0.3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 17:43.57 | MiXu- | Any ideas what's wrong? |
| 17:44.15 | joga | seems like the update worked, it's rebooted and now I have 68MB on rootfs (45MB when I started) |
| 17:44.37 | a-saint | joga I will try and redownload again now |
| 17:44.39 | X-Fade | MiXu-: Do you have the proper Build-Depends specified? |
| 17:44.53 | E0x | MiXu-: qmake |
| 17:44.54 | a-saint | joga congratulations :D |
| 17:44.56 | E0x | is not found |
| 17:45.00 | joga | a-saint, thx :) |
| 17:45.10 | MiXu- | X-Fade: Hmm. Probably not. |
| 17:45.29 | MiXu- | E0x: I can see that it's not found :D |
| 17:45.37 | E0x | well , that is the problem |
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| 17:45.48 | E0x | you asking what is wrong |
| 17:45.51 | E0x | that is wrong |
| 17:46.10 | MohammadAG_ | tmo down |
| 17:46.12 | dmj726 | reflashing doesn't remove all your documents and settings, does it? |
| 17:46.12 | joga | the first improvement I see is that the "Update all" is no longer in the menu and instead a button above the updates |
| 17:46.16 | MohammadAG_ | back up |
| 17:46.42 | MaikB | janyone here uses dgiatscene? |
| 17:46.44 | FIQ | Wasn't texting in the menu going to start a search? |
| 17:46.49 | FIQ | texting in menu does nothing for me |
| 17:46.49 | microlith | hmm |
| 17:46.51 | MaikB | *anyone |
| 17:47.00 | microlith | that touchscreen click sound interacts badly with music playing |
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| 17:47.19 | a-saint | joga finger crossed for me hopefully it work I freed as much as i could and kept the good needed ones |
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| 17:47.35 | Arkenoi | btw did leakware updated to pr1.2 ota well? |
| 17:47.36 | MaikB | its an youtube app and it always shows "This video has been removed", no matter which video i select and try to play |
| 17:48.03 | E0x | what need happen for a package get promote to extra ? |
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| 17:48.26 | joga | MaikB: haven't tried that, but zoutube works pretty ok |
| 17:48.33 | joga | it's quite simple though |
| 17:48.59 | MaikB | joga, thx, trying that |
| 17:49.48 | a-saint | joga backing up |
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| 17:51.13 | a-saint | joga and it's updating :D |
| 17:51.43 | joga | a-saint: nice. hope it works |
| 17:51.53 | odin_ | here goes me and PR1.2 then |
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| 17:52.09 | a-saint | joga I believe it will now that it's updating |
| 17:52.35 | joga | a-saint: that's what you'd expect, at least ;) |
| 17:53.07 | a-saint | joga lets keep the spirit up |
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| 17:53.39 | Otacon22 | is it possible to update my n900 from linux? |
| 17:53.47 | Otacon22 | it asks for nokia software updater app |
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| 17:54.15 | Aranel | damn, still need 16 mbyte more space to upgrade :/ Any rootfs-filler apps you know? |
| 17:54.16 | lcuk | Otacon22, you can reflash from linux - after a backupflash/restore it will be cleaner anyway |
| 17:54.40 | lcuk | Aranel, -devel -testing repository disable |
| 17:55.33 | MaikB | joga, zoutube is slow... |
| 17:55.35 | MaikB | meh |
| 17:55.37 | Aranel | lcuk: already diabled. |
| 17:55.44 | Aranel | s/diabled/disabled |
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| 17:56.18 | midas_ | so |
| 17:56.40 | MaikB | unusable |
| 17:56.51 | joga | MaikB: yeah, but still more comfy to use than youtube in the browser, albeit slow |
| 17:57.01 | joga | or, well, depends on drunkedness :) |
| 17:57.08 | C-S-B | Otacon22, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux |
| 17:57.17 | MaikB | I wonder how it can spend some much time on parsing some meta data |
| 17:57.43 | C-S-B | so anything really wrong with this update? |
| 17:57.56 | joga | where's vim?? |
| 17:57.56 | skynets | the phone is lagging so much i cant instaqll shit |
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| 17:58.06 | skynets | wtf |
| 17:58.10 | lcuk | Aranel, how much space do you actually have now? du -s /usr/share/*|sort -n |
| 17:58.15 | C-S-B | also, for the record, you can force the architecture for 64bit linux users |
| 17:58.18 | lcuk | also, du command for seeing specifics |
| 17:59.21 | skynets | i just disabled the fucking wifi and it works ok now |
| 17:59.28 | evilrob | does the app manager "restore applications" work well? |
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| 17:59.47 | Aranel | lcuk: lots of output. want me to paste? |
| 17:59.53 | joga | hmm...oh, I still have vim, thought I got rid of it temporarily |
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| 18:00.20 | DrGrov | Finally PR 1.2 installed and settings back like they should |
| 18:00.30 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, I was a bit too worked up there today, eh? ;) |
| 18:01.33 | MaikB | chromium?? |
| 18:01.35 | dmj726 | how much space is needed for pr 1.2? |
| 18:01.39 | MaikB | When did this happen? |
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| 18:02.15 | joga | is there a video call testing service for skype? ;p |
| 18:02.22 | timeless_mbp | joga: good question |
| 18:02.23 | joga | some loopback thing |
| 18:02.26 | DrGrov | Anyone else see something like a SMS icon or missed call icon when the screen is locked and something has happened? |
| 18:02.35 | DrGrov | A missed event so to speak |
| 18:02.45 | timeless_mbp | videoecho123 |
| 18:02.59 | joga | timeless_mbp: it is? |
| 18:03.02 | DrGrov | Anyone else know if there is a way to get the old "virtual keyboard" of PR 1.1 back? I hate to take out the physical keyboard each freaking time I want to write a SMS |
| 18:03.02 | Aranel | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/cXw6P9D1 |
| 18:03.45 | timeless_mbp | http://forum.skype.com/topic/54864-video-test-echo123-from-tapur/ |
| 18:03.47 | DrGrov | The new virtual keyboard of PR 1.2 is freaking disgusting and non working |
| 18:03.50 | lcuk | Aranel, paste df result too please |
| 18:04.05 | DrGrov | Can't even get big letters for some reason.... |
| 18:04.10 | DrGrov | Big disappointment it seems... |
| 18:04.15 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: you can't go back :) |
| 18:04.25 | kamui | man, even flaming in the comments of bugzilla |
| 18:04.26 | kamui | jesus |
| 18:04.28 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: what problems are you actually having w/ it? |
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| 18:04.32 | kamui | this community can certainly be unforgiving :-D |
| 18:04.32 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, no problem. |
| 18:04.37 | timeless_mbp | what do you mean by "big letters"? |
| 18:04.40 | Aranel | lcuk: http://pastebin.com/mefdetnc |
| 18:04.47 | timeless_mbp | there's a shift in the lower left corner for uppercase... |
| 18:05.02 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, i am having the big problem of the virtual keyboard. i can't put a big A for ex. "A nice day today" |
| 18:05.16 | DrGrov | A shift? I don't see no damn shift... |
| 18:05.18 | GAN900 | kamui, who could blame them, though? |
| 18:05.19 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: the up arrow in the bottom left isn't working? |
| 18:05.41 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, been through the new browser bugs? |
| 18:05.44 | joga | timeless_mbp: "Maintenance of videoecho123 was difficult technically, and I decided to finish this service" :/ |
| 18:05.50 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: i think so, depends |
| 18:05.55 | GAN900 | See ctrl-l is tied to that automatic focus setting now. |
| 18:05.59 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, i tried to press the arrow in the bottom left but it just changes the letters for numbers and other signs.... |
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| 18:06.08 | GAN900 | wonders if that's a spec change or a regression. |
| 18:06.17 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, so i need to keep it pressed in and then a for a big A? |
| 18:06.34 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: hrm |
| 18:06.45 | timeless_mbp | there's an up arrow to the left of 'Z' in my English OSK |
| 18:06.50 | timeless_mbp | is that not what you're pressing? |
| 18:06.55 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: regression |
| 18:07.01 | MaikB | well, chromium started and looked up the whole system |
| 18:07.04 | MaikB | to bad |
| 18:07.05 | timeless_mbp | we discovered it the day pr1.2 shipped |
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| 18:07.16 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, i have pressed that several times. |
| 18:07.26 | microlith | hmm |
| 18:07.28 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: the bigger problem is that the feature you're using doesn't persist across browser launches |
| 18:07.31 | microlith | that is quite terrible |
| 18:07.35 | timeless_mbp | which makes it hard for people to reliably use it |
| 18:07.39 | microlith | no key touch indication |
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| 18:07.54 | timeless_mbp | sp3000 was only dogfooding defaults until recently hence the miss for him |
| 18:07.55 | microlith | no obvious boundaries between keys, either |
| 18:07.55 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, i will just use the physical keyboard. tomorrow i will test more. have too much stress atm to get into this persistent keyboard issue. |
| 18:08.02 | timeless_mbp | i don't use ctrl-l myself |
| 18:08.04 | DrGrov | yet again though some positive comments timeless_mbp |
| 18:08.08 | joga | isn't there anymore skype availability icons for contacts? |
| 18:08.26 | joga | or, any account or whatever the green dot thingy is |
| 18:08.32 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: so, the up arrow definitely works for me |
| 18:08.41 | timeless_mbp | joga: it's still there |
| 18:09.04 | joga | timeless_mbp: not seeing it :( |
| 18:09.11 | joga | I'll try to relogin to the account.. |
| 18:09.15 | timeless_mbp | joga: stupid question⦠are you connected? :) |
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| 18:09.23 | joga | yes |
| 18:09.24 | joga | :) |
| 18:09.34 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, ok. you see upon boot that the both "dotted" lines tend to move from right to left simultaneously and not only left to right? |
| 18:09.46 | lcuk | Aranel, which liqbase stuff have you got :D |
| 18:09.51 | lcuk | tho it wont tip you off the top |
| 18:09.51 | aquatix | hah, it finished backing up now |
| 18:09.59 | timeless_mbp | aquatix: good to hear :) |
| 18:10.02 | joga | timeless_mbp: ok now they came back when I set it to offline and available again |
| 18:10.10 | aquatix | with a big leap from 0 to 100 |
| 18:10.14 | Aranel | lcuk: I dont even know anything about liqbase. what is it? :) |
| 18:10.17 | aquatix | timeless_mbp: yeah :) |
| 18:10.25 | lcuk | Aranel, its installed |
| 18:10.28 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: i don't pay much attn to the splash stuff |
| 18:10.30 | lcuk | ell components may be |
| 18:10.30 | ghostcube_maemo | hmmm 1.2 is cool |
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| 18:10.34 | timeless_mbp | other than my maemo splash video |
| 18:10.34 | ghostcube_maemo | heh |
| 18:10.39 | lcuk | its too small to be everything |
| 18:11.30 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, ok :) no worries |
| 18:11.30 | Aranel | lcuk: how to remove it? apt-get remove liqbase doesnt do the trick. |
| 18:11.36 | joga | the front cam is really dark |
| 18:11.37 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, i am now looking at a youtube video to see the conversations virtual keyboard. |
| 18:11.50 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, trying to figure out whether something i have missed out on :) |
| 18:11.54 | lcuk | Aranel, i dunno what you have installed, i just see the top level folder in your du report :P |
| 18:12.19 | joga | the image quality seems a lot less grainy though! |
| 18:12.27 | Aranel | lcuk: If I manage to remove it, how much free space I'll get? |
| 18:12.32 | lcuk | go into HAM and read up the du report you shown me and remove things which match if you need so much space |
| 18:12.33 | joga | it's just so dark and lacks contrast, maybe good in daylight |
| 18:12.41 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, yes I see that arrow in the left corner. I will try my phone now to see if it really works. God admn! |
| 18:12.45 | lcuk | well thats the general numbers on the left |
| 18:13.10 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: can you reproduce bug 10313? i can't, even at http://www.google.fi/ |
| 18:13.11 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10313 Browser fullscreen virtual keyboard closes when turning from portrait to landscape |
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| 18:13.46 | timeless_mbp | joga: we have a night mode in camera now :) |
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| 18:14.36 | joga | and more resolutions |
| 18:15.29 | MiXu- | X-Fade: It was simply build-deps issue. Thanks :) |
| 18:15.32 | MiXu- | Works now. |
| 18:15.41 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, reproduced first time on that page. |
| 18:16.22 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: hrm... |
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| 18:16.39 | Aranel | lcuk: I think I didnt understand what to do :/ How can I know them if they match or not? |
| 18:16.57 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, open site, go into portrait, tap text field, watching vkb open, move device into landscape, watch keyboard closes. |
| 18:17.37 | lcuk | Aranel, http://pastebin.com/cXw6P9D1 this paste you put in |
| 18:18.05 | lcuk | each line consists of a line number, folder size, folder name /usr/share/SOMETHING |
| 18:18.08 | Aranel | lcuk: cant I send you the list of installed packages or something? I really don't have any idea how I did fill that much space. There was much more space a month ago :/ |
| 18:18.15 | lcuk | the sizes get bigger towards the bottom |
| 18:18.28 | Aranel | lcuk: yes but they're system files, mostly? |
| 18:18.37 | joga | hehe, can I somehow press backspace with the osk without using ctrl with it or hw keyb? |
| 18:18.42 | Aranel | lcuk: like micro-b, locales, themes, icons, nokia maps.. |
| 18:18.57 | lcuk | so look up the list whilst you have app manager open and see hwat you can remove |
| 18:19.16 | joga | or, well, ctrl doesn't work either since it opens a text input field where it acts and not the terminal |
| 18:19.21 | lcuk | sure Aranel you cant wipe those im not asking you to, im just trying to help you find out whats taking up space |
| 18:19.43 | DrGrov | timeless_mbp, my theme was blocking the arrow key and space key. LOL |
| 18:19.49 | timeless_mbp | .... |
| 18:19.53 | timeless_mbp | DrGrov: please file a bug |
| 18:20.02 | lcuk | Aranel, looks like you just have a lot of smallish apps on |
| 18:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | wonders whether to call the coach and medic care, to prepare for meego meeting madness during the remaining 40 minutes |
| 18:20.39 | Aranel | lcuk: can't I simply upgrade to PR1.2, without reflashing, or freeing up space? Like moving the apt cache? |
| 18:20.40 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: ok, hit it |
| 18:20.48 | Arkenoi | ..and qt does not start any faster |
| 18:20.51 | timeless_mbp | i think that google is changing its page layout |
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| 18:21.14 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: can you reproduce w/ data:text/html,<input><textarea> ? |
| 18:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | is there some confirmed figure now how much free rootspace 1.2 OTA will require? |
| 18:21.38 | lcuk | Aranel, backup and reflash |
| 18:21.43 | lcuk | and restore afterwards |
| 18:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | moo lcuk |
| 18:22.19 | lcuk | if you havent got the space and arent comfortable finding out how to make it/rectify issue the only thing left is reflash |
| 18:22.24 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: no :) |
| 18:22.25 | lcuk | hey DocScrutinizer |
| 18:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: great. Thanks anyway :-D |
| 18:23.02 | MaikB | is there something to use google's buzz ? |
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| 18:23.28 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: heard that It needs 48 megabytes. |
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| 18:24.26 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: the browser works w/ buzz :) |
| 18:24.27 | lcuk | thats about right Aranel |
| 18:24.29 | timeless_mbp | dinner time. |
| 18:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: sounds somewhat reasonable (though not exactly sane), as 1.1.1 required about same |
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| 18:24.33 | Trizt | ended up with flashing, managde to f**k it up by removing packages |
| 18:24.50 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, I know |
| 18:25.14 | timeless_mbp | people often forget that |
| 18:25.22 | FredrIQ | Can i compile things same way as on a computer on N900? |
| 18:25.23 | Aranel | lcuk: If I just do rm -rf /usr/share/liqbase. How much space I'll gain? |
| 18:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | somebody spanked crashanddie? :-P |
| 18:25.27 | timeless_mbp | they paid for a good browser, got a good browser, and then forgot that it worked |
| 18:25.33 | FredrIQ | and place it in the 2G partition |
| 18:25.34 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, I thought about adding (which is not the browser) but assumed... |
| 18:25.36 | MaikB | nevermind |
| 18:25.46 | lcuk | about 680k |
| 18:25.52 | lcuk | from the looks of df |
| 18:25.54 | timeless_mbp | MaikB: i've been working on microb here @nokia for 4 years |
| 18:26.12 | timeless_mbp | so it annoys me when people go looking for other solutions which tend to be inferior :) |
| 18:26.17 | Aranel | lcuk: aww :( so I'll still need 17.4 megabytes to upgrade :P |
| 18:26.21 | thresh | do you know the man who worked on ham? |
| 18:26.21 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, it is IMHO _the_ feature of the N900 |
| 18:26.21 | thresh | oh |
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| 18:26.26 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, thank you! |
| 18:26.30 | thresh | so we could kill him. |
| 18:26.30 | lcuk | yes so its thousand papercuts |
| 18:26.32 | johnsu01 | will flashing the emmc image overwrite the backup I made before bricking? |
| 18:26.42 | ghostcube_maemo | hmmm i cant get skype to do vid call grml |
| 18:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~spank crashanddie s/ibot/happy bd/ |
| 18:26.44 | infobot | ACTION bends crashanddie s/ibot/happy bd/ over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on crashanddie s/ibot/happy bd/'s pasty white buttocks. |
| 18:26.44 | lcuk | really, save hassle and backup/flash |
| 18:26.57 | lcuk | your system will be cleaner and you can tick select the apps to reinstall afterwards |
| 18:27.13 | blizzow | anyone have trouble logging into AIM accounts? I set up my client and click connect, it just continues to say "not signed in" |
| 18:27.16 | FredrIQ | hmm |
| 18:27.39 | Aranel | lcuk: I'd hate to reflash :/ I'm kind of.. weird, when it comes to reflashing, see: I've installed Ubuntu 7.04 like 3 yrs ago, now its 10.04 and I'm still using it. :) |
| 18:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: depends on where you stored the backup, no? |
| 18:27.58 | Aranel | lcuk: what about moving the whole microb-engine to opt, then symlink it? |
| 18:28.02 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, but I don't think any general purpose browser can compete in terms of energy efficiency with an dedicated app for an low volume task like twitter or buzz. |
| 18:28.08 | Aranel | lcuk: I can move it to same location after upgrade. |
| 18:28.12 | MaikB | timeless_mbp, disagree? |
| 18:28.19 | johnsu01 | DocScrutinizer: Yes, and I think the answer to my question is yes, judging by the warning in bold at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:28.20 | lcuk | Aranel, dont |
| 18:28.25 | lcuk | it will just cause more upsets |
| 18:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: anyway flashing eMMC isn't considered mandatory for debricking |
| 18:29.22 | joga | Aranel: how much space do you have free now? |
| 18:29.26 | DrGrov | timeless, sorry what did you say? |
| 18:29.30 | Aranel | joga: 32 megabytes. |
| 18:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | the only real nasty pathological case would be some rogue content of ~user/ |
| 18:29.42 | joga | Aranel: 45 was enough for me to update |
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| 18:29.59 | Aranel | lcuk: It seems there's 100megabytes of data which APT doesnt know anything about. |
| 18:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | as it seems there is no other way to clean/edit ~user/* than reflashing the *whole* eMMC |
| 18:30.39 | Aranel | joga: hmm, so I need 13 more, but I can't find any app to remove, they just give me 50~100kb, nothing more. |
| 18:30.40 | joga | I don't think the sizes reported by the app manager are even nearly accurate, if they're static, since programs share the libraries |
| 18:30.44 | lcuk | Aranel, but then when the install occurs it does all sorts of things beyond your cleaning up |
| 18:30.55 | joga | and I assume it includes the libraries in the estimate |
| 18:31.05 | joga | (otherwise it wouldn't be very useful at all) :) |
| 18:31.38 | dmj726 | Aranel: what message does it give you? |
| 18:31.52 | Aranel | dmj726: It says I have to use NSU to upgrade. |
| 18:31.59 | dmj726 | same here |
| 18:32.05 | Aranel | dmj726: which I resist :P |
| 18:32.15 | dmj726 | I don't want to deal with that. |
| 18:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: look into python libs |
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| 18:32.33 | Arkenoi | so qt still sucks and it likely *will* continue to suck :-( |
| 18:32.34 | josephnexus | hi everyone! |
| 18:32.37 | joga | hmm...what Attitude needs is the camera finder view to overlay the pitch meter on instead of the dull horizon |
| 18:32.46 | josephnexus | i'm wanting to update to the latest version of maemo |
| 18:32.48 | joga | would be even useful then :) |
| 18:32.50 | josephnexus | but I don't have a windows machine |
| 18:32.53 | josephnexus | how would I go about updating? |
| 18:33.04 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: where to look exactly? |
| 18:33.12 | dmj726 | ...how about a linux machine? |
| 18:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | josephnexus: feel happy, windows is a virus |
| 18:33.22 | josephnexus | i have a linux box |
| 18:33.28 | josephnexus | but I thought we could update this over the air |
| 18:33.32 | dmj726 | you can flash with that |
| 18:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's MUCH better |
| 18:33.42 | dmj726 | ...hopefully we can |
| 18:33.45 | Aranel | lcuk: so it is normal thing to see that APT doesn't know about 100 megabytes of file? |
| 18:33.48 | dmj726 | some are having issues with ota |
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| 18:34.18 | josephnexus | so how do i do the update? |
| 18:34.22 | Aranel | lcuk: I'm just suspicious about "unwanted files", maybe some package installed lots of things which APT is not even aware of. |
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| 18:34.32 | dmj726 | go to update in the app manager |
| 18:34.41 | josephnexus | and it will do it's thing? |
| 18:34.53 | josephnexus | cuz it was telling me to have it plugged into a PC and update that way |
| 18:34.56 | josephnexus | which isn't possible for me |
| 18:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: no expert here. But I found python libs eating some 50MB of my rootspace a few months ago. Some package called python-optify or similar cured that |
| 18:35.12 | dmj726 | it will give a maemo 5 package in the update list |
| 18:35.14 | MaikB | oops, I broke stackoverflow.com |
| 18:35.17 | dmj726 | tap that to install |
| 18:35.21 | MaikB | I'm sorry |
| 18:35.22 | MaikB | :P |
| 18:35.44 | FredrIQ | qt4-qmake libqt4-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev liblua5.1-dev fpc - is everything available somewhere? |
| 18:35.49 | josephnexus | since it is reflashing and such, is my data at risk? |
| 18:35.49 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: is it pymaemo-optify? |
| 18:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: mount should show you a few python bindmounts, otherwise you have to get that optification |
| 18:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: yes |
| 18:36.17 | josephnexus | (i know you should always have a backup, this is more out of curiosity) |
| 18:36.27 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: It's already installed. |
| 18:36.35 | DrGrov | anyone found any HD quality videos about PR 1.2? |
| 18:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: sorry |
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| 18:37.22 | Arkenoi | the most disappointing part is qt |
| 18:37.34 | Arkenoi | i did really hope qt application will start fast |
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| 18:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: anyway, regarding space freed by app deinstall - it's lieing as it doesn't count the dependencies |
| 18:38.14 | Arkenoi | and modest |
| 18:38.25 | Arkenoi | modest is still the same disaster |
| 18:38.43 | Arkenoi | all numerous usability bug reports were ignored |
| 18:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: app-a (100k) depends lib-x (10MB), app-b (150k) depends lib-x (10MB), you never will see the 10MB freed figure that you get on deinstalling app-a AND app-b |
| 18:39.32 | Shapeshifter | does modest now save sent mails on the imap server as well or is that still missing? |
| 18:39.49 | josephnexus | hmm |
| 18:39.53 | josephnexus | my phone is telling me the following |
| 18:40.12 | DrGrov | SMS in portrait mode? |
| 18:40.19 | josephnexus | "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the Nokia software update application on your PC. Connect the device to your pc via a USB cable and launch the application." |
| 18:40.20 | RST38h | Arkenoi: At least there is hope it can now access POP3 accounts |
| 18:40.22 | DrGrov | Haven't had the time to test yet.... |
| 18:40.27 | josephnexus | the only button I have is a "Create Backup" button |
| 18:40.49 | Ikarus | josephnexus: it means your root filesystem is too full |
| 18:41.00 | josephnexus | so uninstall some stuff? |
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| 18:41.10 | josephnexus | is there any way to have a larger root fs? |
| 18:41.12 | RST38h | Arkenoi: but the upgrade process has been...mmmhmm...eventful |
| 18:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | or conflicts stop the upgrade |
| 18:41.20 | Ikarus | josephnexus: nope |
| 18:41.32 | Ikarus | josephnexus: but you can clean it with some luck |
| 18:41.36 | Aranel | there should be some other way to upgrade without reflashing, or freeing up space. |
| 18:41.51 | Ikarus | also don't try to use apt directly (to get a different package dir) |
| 18:41.59 | Ikarus | my N900 ended up in a reboot loop that way |
| 18:42.06 | josephnexus | i have only used the app manager |
| 18:42.06 | Arkenoi | josephnexus, author of that diagnostic string deserves to get his shit beaten out of him |
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| 18:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: ack |
| 18:42.41 | joga | josephnexus: do you have a network connection? :) |
| 18:42.43 | Ikarus | Arkenoi: yes he does |
| 18:42.48 | josephnexus | i am removing unused apps |
| 18:43.01 | josephnexus | hopefully that will free up some space |
| 18:43.04 | josephnexus | how much space do I need? |
| 18:43.29 | Aranel | heard that you need 48, joga said that 45 megabytes is enough. |
| 18:43.30 | xorAxAx | timeless: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218609/ |
| 18:43.46 | joga | I had 45.x MB when I started it |
| 18:44.27 | Aranel | also I heard Brain Party conflicts with update. Is it true? |
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| 18:45.02 | Aranel | damn. removed Firefox. It didnt even give me 0.1 megabyte :/ |
| 18:45.44 | Scelt | because it's on emmc |
| 18:45.53 | joga | btw...does firefox on maemo make its caches on rootfs? |
| 18:45.58 | joga | or microb |
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| 18:46.08 | Scelt | Aranel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 18:46.09 | joga | I was thinking if clearing cache from the browsers would help |
| 18:46.18 | joga | (or is it just memory cache?) |
| 18:46.30 | Scelt | 12:09:14 < Surfa> Scelt, brain party removal helped |
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| 18:46.36 | Scelt | Aranel: 12:09:14 < Surfa> Scelt, brain party removal helped |
| 18:47.31 | bennypr0fane | Hi, is it possible to make n900 show me a list of all installed applications that are from devel or testing repos? If yes, how do i do that? |
| 18:48.04 | Aranel | removed brain party, didnt even free up 0.1 megabyte |
| 18:48.15 | lcuk | Aranel, what are you testing freespace with? |
| 18:48.47 | Aranel | lcuk: Free Rootfs widget from DECW |
| 18:49.18 | josephnexus | conky is good to have |
| 18:49.21 | lcuk | have you thought that perhaps the widget isnt refreshing? open a terminal and check "df" |
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| 18:49.55 | Aranel | lcuk: did that too. 32.0 Available. |
| 18:50.12 | Aranel | lcuk: and I'm sure it's refresing, because I manually refresh it. |
| 18:50.24 | lcuk | what does your widget show then now |
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| 18:50.29 | lcuk | does it match with df |
| 18:51.01 | josephnexus | df -h |
| 18:51.03 | Aranel | lcuk: yes, it matches exactly as df. df says 32.0 Available, Free Rootfs: 32.0MB |
| 18:51.05 | josephnexus | might be more useful |
| 18:52.17 | Aranel | damn I'm uninstalling everything, but It still doesn't free up any reasonable space :/ |
| 18:54.01 | dmj726 | heh...25.6 free on rootfs isn't enough, right? |
| 18:54.03 | lcuk | sure Aranel DocScrutinizer told you why |
| 18:54.05 | josephnexus | aranel, a flash might be in store for you |
| 18:54.59 | plastun | my apps files installs to /opt/maemo/usr/,,,,/python2.5/site-packeges. So, import MODULENAME can't import module, because /opt/... path is not incuded to PYTHON_PATH. Hot to fixe this best? |
| 18:55.11 | plastun | *how |
| 18:55.12 | Aranel | lcuk: isnt it possible to remove a whole library? with all applications depend on it? |
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| 18:56.12 | lcuk | Aranel, its your device, you can remove what you like! just expect to have to reflash if you get it wrong |
| 18:56.19 | lcuk | its just like your 4 year old linux desktop |
| 18:56.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | make a backup, then uninstall 'all' apps, upgrade, restore apps from backup |
| 18:56.38 | MohammadAG_ | anyone on 1.1.1? |
| 18:56.40 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
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| 18:56.46 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, if hes doing that he would be easier just reflashing |
| 18:57.03 | lcuk | infact, had he done that, he would be up and running again now |
| 18:57.05 | Aranel | lcuk: I can boot my linux desktop with a live-cd. and It doesnt end up with reboot loops If some important app -like Xorg- crashes :) |
| 18:57.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: not really |
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| 18:57.22 | frals | he, the new firmware update brought along a few fmms downloads... 9686 in a day :D |
| 18:57.31 | josephnexus | fmms? |
| 18:57.34 | josephnexus | what's that? |
| 18:57.39 | MohammadAG_ | Aranel, kill the watchdog with a shotgun |
| 18:57.51 | frals | fMMS, application for sending/receiving MMS |
| 18:57.52 | lcuk | that doesnt help moh |
| 18:58.00 | MohammadAG_ | not with Xorg |
| 18:58.08 | MohammadAG_ | but the rest, yes |
| 18:58.14 | bennypr0fane | hey frals, is that you, the guy who made fmms? |
| 18:58.20 | MohammadAG_ | I killed hildon-desktop using killall -sigstop and it stayed dead |
| 18:58.24 | frals | that be me |
| 18:58.33 | bennypr0fane | you're awesome, man |
| 18:58.43 | BCMM | frals: ^ |
| 18:58.48 | MohammadAG_ | points to the Donate button on frals' blog |
| 18:58.57 | lcuk | :D heh frals is blushing now! |
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| 18:59.04 | Aranel | I wonder why reflashing is always preferred. I hated it on Symbian too :/ |
| 18:59.06 | frals | well thank you :) this community is awesome, wouldnt have done it by myself |
| 18:59.13 | MohammadAG_ | suggests using trouts as a currency |
| 18:59.20 | bennypr0fane | :-) |
| 18:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:59.23 | BCMM | (although i'm not yet sure if i know anybody else with an MMS phone...) |
| 18:59.39 | lcuk | Aranel, because its SIMPLER and gets the job done |
| 18:59.39 | bennypr0fane | thanks a lot! |
| 18:59.56 | BCMM | MohammadAG_: IIRC, trout handle international shipping just fine |
| 18:59.56 | lcuk | if you are comfortable tho please continue, i however have to make some tea and put some packages in the oven |
| 19:00.39 | bennypr0fane | trouts are quite tasty indeed |
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| 19:00.57 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, it worked out wonderfully the update to 1.2 :) Sorry for being a bit overreacting there earlier |
| 19:01.15 | frals | lcuk: you are suppose to upload packages to the repos, not put them in the oven! |
| 19:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: seems you're the lucky ONE |
| 19:01.35 | MohammadAG_ | DrGrov, oh it worked? damn |
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| 19:01.53 | bennypr0fane | has anyone read my earlier question? |
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| 19:02.11 | bennypr0fane | i''d like to install pr 1.2, but need to make room first |
| 19:02.14 | anonuk | somehow got maemo to boot again but now all the colors and fonts are wrong (unhildonized) |
| 19:02.46 | bennypr0fane | i'd like to do it by removing most of the apps from devel and testing |
| 19:02.50 | ag0ny | Just updated to PR1.2. What happend to the search function in the program manager? |
| 19:03.15 | lcuk | ag0ny, just type |
| 19:03.16 | bennypr0fane | ag0ny you just type what yu're looking for |
| 19:03.18 | lcuk | on the main list |
| 19:03.21 | an0therb0x | help please can someone please direct me to instructions on how to "re-flash" my n900 ... i did something wrong installing the 1.2 firmware |
| 19:03.28 | bennypr0fane | like in contacts |
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| 19:03.32 | Bluewind | ~flash |
| 19:03.33 | infobot | methinks flash is the same as ~flashing |
| 19:03.38 | Bluewind | ~flashing |
| 19:03.38 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:03.45 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer51, still on 1.1.1? |
| 19:03.54 | ag0ny | lcuk, bennypr0fane: thanks |
| 19:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:04.07 | MohammadAG_ | Can you check which version of hildon-desktop is installed? |
| 19:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | tell me what you want me to do |
| 19:04.22 | pupnik | is running a partially updated system :) |
| 19:04.23 | MohammadAG_ | I hate the face that kinetic scrolling was partially killed, so I'm comparing sources |
| 19:04.28 | MohammadAG_ | dpkg -l hildon-desktop |
| 19:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | k, mompls |
| 19:04.56 | MohammadAG_ | remember, -l, not -r, we don't want you to go into a boot loop :P |
| 19:05.07 | ag0ny | Just typing does not work? Do I just start typing in the download section? |
| 19:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | ii hildon-desktop 1:2.2.120-4+0m5 Hildon desktop for Fremantle |
| 19:05.11 | pupnik | ii hildon-desktop 1:2.2.138-1+0m Hildon desktop for Fremantle |
| 19:05.12 | MohammadAG_ | Thanks :) |
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| 19:05.26 | MohammadAG_ | pupnik, that's 1.2 right? |
| 19:05.44 | pupnik | i guess. i havent rebooted into upgrade hell yet |
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| 19:06.29 | pupnik | was hoping to fix the upgrade with proper 1.2 metapackage |
| 19:06.50 | an0therb0x | anybody else have the infinite loop issue ? |
| 19:06.51 | pupnik | what is the right thing to install for ota upgrade? |
| 19:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, flash is <reply>see flashing |
| 19:07.02 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 19:07.04 | pupnik | i probably will if i reboot now |
| 19:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 19:07.22 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:08.44 | Aranel | /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive can somebody explain that why I need this? |
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| 19:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: flash is also a plugin eating your left leg |
| 19:09.03 | infobot | ACTION starts a firmware update on is also a plugin eating your left leg, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 19:09.03 | Aranel | It's one of "List of big and rarely used files" and 28 megabytes of data. |
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| 19:09.51 | frals | wow crash reporter... "14 stored reports" and only button i can activate is "Select all", cant send/delete or deselect any of them \o/ |
| 19:10.36 | lcuk | frals, select all, delete |
| 19:10.47 | lcuk | you cant send/delete until you have selected what |
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| 19:11.00 | frals | i had all selected, but delete was still "disabled" |
| 19:11.06 | frals | but it worked clicking it anyway \o/ |
| 19:11.29 | frals | i think my phone is fubar thou, might need a reboot |
| 19:11.36 | Arkenoi | well, just about 10mb more with pr1.2 than with moveroot.sh script |
| 19:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash <self> |
| 19:11.37 | infobot | ACTION starts a firmware update on <self>, then pulls the plug halfway through |
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| 19:11.44 | anonuk | an0therb0x: i had infinite reboot issue |
| 19:11.53 | frals | whenever i scroll desktop it scrolls half of it then stops animation, and wont update until i tap on it |
| 19:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | thinks infobot has done that before |
| 19:12.27 | josephnexus | what's the best way to free up things from my rootfs? |
| 19:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | probably doing that every day |
| 19:12.45 | bennypr0fane | some of the themes for n900 are supposed to slow down the device. Would that be from the moment i install them them or only if i actually use them? |
| 19:12.48 | an0therb0x | anonuk: how did you fix it ? |
| 19:12.49 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Weird, the search option seems to have taken a leave of absence from HAM |
| 19:12.57 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, since you're a C expert, do you know what this means? |
| 19:12.58 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.58 | MohammadAG_ | - priv->transition = (g_object_unref(priv->transition), NULL); |
| 19:12.58 | MohammadAG_ | + hd_launcher_page_transition_stop (HD_LAUNCHER_PAGE (gobject)); |
| 19:13.08 | frals | so err |
| 19:13.09 | frals | [91847.421813] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 19:13.13 | *** part/#maemo harbaum (~harbaum@i59F7A084.versanet.de) |
| 19:13.15 | frals | getting this every second in dmesg, good/bad? |
| 19:13.19 | MohammadAG_ | bad? |
| 19:13.31 | anonuk | an0therb0x: long long story... i had a boot menu installed already so i could boot to mer... got a firmware copy, and completed the apt-get upgrade / reinstalled packages inside mer |
| 19:13.48 | anonuk | an0therb0x: but my maemo is still broken, everything is grey and pink |
| 19:14.03 | anonuk | an0therb0x: no idea how to fix that and the fonts are tiny |
| 19:14.37 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, yeah - the call which originally was just a gobject unref was replaced by a specific function method to cleanly stop the transition - by the looks of it |
| 19:14.39 | bennypr0fane | "josephnexus what's the best way to free up things from my rootfs?" that is actually the question i probably should have asked in the first place |
| 19:14.55 | josephnexus | any good answer? |
| 19:14.56 | an0therb0x | anonuk: sounds like i am going to have to send it back to nokia ... that sucks |
| 19:14.57 | lcuk | so dig into the hd_launcher_page_transition_stop method and see what it does |
| 19:15.03 | lcuk | frals, :O |
| 19:15.06 | frals | any ideas how to debug it? |
| 19:15.13 | anonuk | can anyone give me a pointer how to get my maemo hildonized again? im getting everything in grey and unhildonized after upgrading |
| 19:15.18 | frals | needless to say, the display is pretty fubar |
| 19:15.26 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 19:16.05 | josephnexus | i've got 43.77 available, need to free up a smidgen more |
| 19:16.22 | josephnexus | any ideas? |
| 19:16.33 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 OTA and fiasco shipping, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#Not_Enough_Free_Space http:// |
| 19:16.58 | josephnexus | yay for the wiki |
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| 19:17.02 | FIQ | too long topic |
| 19:17.04 | Ikarus | PR 1.2 is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin right ? |
| 19:17.18 | frals | lcuk: any ideas or should i just reboot and pray? ;) |
| 19:17.19 | bennypr0fane | josephnexus for the last update, i uninstalled some apps from devel and rebooted |
| 19:17.34 | bennypr0fane | the worked nicely |
| 19:17.47 | lcuk | frals, was this during the upgrade? or had you already done that earlier |
| 19:17.51 | lcuk | and yes reboot |
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| 19:17.52 | josephnexus | doesn't have any devel apps |
| 19:17.57 | lcuk | theres not much more you can do |
| 19:17.59 | frals | tis was after phone rebooted after upgrading |
| 19:18.07 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 OTA shipping, http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#Not_Enough_Free_Space ~flashing |
| 19:18.19 | josephnexus | i'm suspecting an apt-get clean will do the trick |
| 19:18.22 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, so changing it back should stop the transition from being stopped? |
| 19:18.23 | josephnexus | how do I switch to root? |
| 19:18.24 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 19:18.27 | frals | ok shutting down, was just curious if i could debug it in anyway :) |
| 19:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | root |
| 19:18.36 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, you have to ask why it was changed |
| 19:18.44 | lcuk | gimme the gitorious commit url |
| 19:18.50 | bennypr0fane | josephnexus sudo gainroot |
| 19:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | josephnexus: though you need to install rootsh first |
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| 19:18.54 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, PR1.2 doesn't scroll through the menu as quick as 1.1.1 for some reason |
| 19:19.01 | josephnexus | it says |
| 19:19.05 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I used apt-get source hildon-desktop=version |
| 19:19.07 | josephnexus | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device |
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| 19:19.17 | MohammadAG_ | install rootsh |
| 19:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: that's quite obsolete, 'root' will do |
| 19:19.30 | bennypr0fane | oh, good to know |
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| 19:20.24 | anonuk | if my maemo (1.2) doesnt look hildonized, which packages should i try to reinstall? |
| 19:20.40 | Ikarus | anonuk: try reselectiny your theme |
| 19:21.07 | josephnexus | i have 45 mb free now |
| 19:21.07 | DrGrov | Kind of like using themes from D-Iivil which are not PR 1.2 compatible |
| 19:21.16 | DrGrov | Kind of nice having a few buttons missing here and there :) |
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| 19:21.23 | anonuk | Ikarus: problem is that control panel doesnt have real names for things only pers_ti_personalization and names like that.. is there a manual way? |
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| 19:21.25 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:21.55 | anonuk | Ikarus: half upgraded i guess some bits are missing.... |
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| 19:22.22 | Ikarus | anonuk: I guess you'll have to reflash to be sure to catch everything |
| 19:22.32 | anonuk | Ikarus: cant reflash, no usb port |
| 19:22.33 | bennypr0fane | DrGrov all the d-themes don't work with pr 1.2? |
| 19:22.41 | anonuk | Ikarus: or id have flashed it already |
| 19:22.54 | LiraNuna | is PR1.2 OTA for US released? |
| 19:23.20 | DrGrov | bennypr0fane, they work but they have something missing like ex. the virtual keyboard the Shift arrow besides z on the left side |
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| 19:24.09 | blizzow | Anyone seeing network errors with MSN and Yahoo IM connections? |
| 19:24.28 | blizzow | I wish I could see more error message than that. |
| 19:24.33 | Ikarus | right, restoring backups |
| 19:24.35 | Ikarus | let's see if that works |
| 19:25.51 | Ikarus | backup application == dumb |
| 19:25.56 | Ikarus | tells me files conflict |
| 19:25.59 | Ikarus | without telling me the name |
| 19:26.09 | Ikarus | and only offering the options rename and no |
| 19:26.21 | Gadgetoid_iMac | Sheesh, I'm getting spammed with calls from dodgy numbers... need a default-deny call blocking script methinks |
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| 19:27.22 | Ikarus | I can't see which files conflict, etc |
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| 19:28.11 | anonuk | anyone know which packages the original background image and other images like the start button etc are? my n900 starts but has images missing all over the OS |
| 19:29.50 | Ikarus | anyone know what happens if you hit rename ? |
| 19:29.56 | Ikarus | ie, how can I find the renamed files |
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| 19:31.28 | josephnexus | i'm doing all I can to free up space |
| 19:31.34 | josephnexus | and rootfs is only at 44.1 available |
| 19:31.42 | Arkenoi | oops. ussd widget is now broken - pr1.2 intercepts ussd responses. that sucks! |
| 19:31.44 | pupnik | need an irc plugin for sharing from camera |
| 19:32.22 | Ikarus | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7265 that is :( |
| 19:32.23 | povbot` | Bug 7265: Backup/Restore Version Conflict dialog needs to be more verbose |
| 19:33.33 | josephnexus | yay, up to 44.2 |
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| 19:34.54 | josephnexus | how hard is it just to reflash the device from linux? |
| 19:35.21 | odin_ | depends if you have a USB cable :) |
| 19:35.24 | Ikarus | josephnexus: easy :) |
| 19:35.33 | josephnexus | i have the USB cable |
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| 19:35.41 | josephnexus | that's usually how I charge it |
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| 19:36.12 | E0x | meego 1.0 release |
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| 19:38.24 | chadi | Guys. I was playing a movie; I paused for one minute, then clicked pause again, it stopped and said media file not supported. now it doesn't restart and no other video can play. What happened? |
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| 19:39.15 | chadi | That's PR 1.2. Add this to the buglist |
| 19:39.19 | chadi | :/ |
| 19:39.20 | chupy35 | hello, does someone now how to update to the pr 1.2 over the air? |
| 19:39.38 | josephnexus | the same way you install anything |
| 19:39.46 | josephnexus | if it says something otherwise, you don't have enough space in rootfs |
| 19:40.13 | chupy35 | how can i make more space on rootfs¡ |
| 19:40.14 | chupy35 | ? |
| 19:40.18 | thresh | rm -rf / |
| 19:40.22 | Ikarus | ... |
| 19:40.22 | thresh | sorry |
| 19:40.31 | Ikarus | thwaps thresh |
| 19:40.43 | chupy35 | i am not so stupid |
| 19:40.46 | josephnexus | thresh, not everyone understands that's a job=ke |
| 19:41.01 | thresh | sorry #2 |
| 19:41.13 | chupy35 | i understand it luckily :) |
| 19:41.18 | josephnexus | i order 10,000 floggings with a wet noodle! |
| 19:41.34 | Rabidus | how much space that needs 'bout @ rootfs |
| 19:41.44 | josephnexus | some say 45 |
| 19:41.48 | josephnexus | some say 48 |
| 19:41.50 | josephnexus | mb |
| 19:42.08 | MohammadAG_ | votes for a #maemo-flashing/#maemo-pr12 channel |
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| 19:42.21 | josephnexus | votes to end all voting. |
| 19:42.26 | SpeedEvil | flashes the channel. |
| 19:43.11 | red | Is there any way to force teh tracker to ignore certain folders? |
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| 19:43.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:43.26 | red | I don't want my podcasts to appear in the music player since I use gpodder + mplayer to view em |
| 19:43.35 | SpeedEvil | vi ~/.config/tracker/tracker.conf |
| 19:43.48 | SpeedEvil | I've got it ignoring /home/user/data |
| 19:44.21 | Rabidus | i have 56Mb free, and can't update from application manager |
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| 19:44.49 | johnsu01 | hm, well, got the update flashed on, but now browser won't start... |
| 19:44.53 | johnsu01 | or rather, starts and dies |
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| 19:46.25 | chupy35 | i have 711.3 mb for applications and i cant install PR 1.2 over the air |
| 19:46.25 | josephnexus | you have enough space (mine just start with about 48MB) you must have some conflicting software installed |
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| 19:47.20 | marex | hi, makes me curious, can I just apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade the PR1.2 into my N900 ? |
| 19:47.32 | marex | the built-in app manager tells me to install over PC |
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| 19:47.43 | josephnexus | marex, it lies |
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| 19:48.14 | chupy35 | the app manager tells me the same and i have 713 mb free for install apps |
| 19:48.24 | lcuk | chupy35, its rootfs space you need |
| 19:48.28 | josephnexus | open up the terminal |
| 19:48.30 | marex | josephnexus, so dist-upgrade is fine ? |
| 19:48.32 | josephnexus | and run |
| 19:48.34 | josephnexus | df -h / |
| 19:48.35 | lcuk | which i can say for certain is not 713mb |
| 19:48.35 | marex | df -h |
| 19:48.38 | lcuk | wishes it was |
| 19:48.48 | josephnexus | that will tell you how much space is available in the applicable partition |
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| 19:49.19 | marex | josephnexus, I moved the apt-cache, that's fine ... but it won't screw up the system, right ? |
| 19:49.20 | Rabidus | i have 56mb and can't install with application manager :( |
| 19:49.37 | josephnexus | wouldn't suggest changing core settings |
| 19:49.40 | red | Rabidus: have you disabled the testing and devel repositories? |
| 19:49.46 | josephnexus | rabidus, you may have a conflicting app installed |
| 19:49.52 | red | try setting them to disabled + rebooting |
| 19:49.56 | red | should free up some space |
| 19:49.59 | Rabidus | ok, i'll try |
| 19:50.05 | mintux | do we have vlc for maemo ? not play stream it can be install on n900 . I would like to see my move with put subtitle on bottom of it |
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| 19:50.18 | red | mintux: its not finished |
| 19:50.24 | mintux | hmm |
| 19:50.24 | red | but there are source files somewhere |
| 19:50.29 | red | they are working on it |
| 19:50.39 | red | so if u can compile yourself u can give the unfinished one a go |
| 19:51.22 | mintux | kmplayer support subtitle ? I can put subtitle with mplayer but problem is I can stop moviye or pause or forward an backward |
| 19:51.22 | marex | josephnexus, what core settings ... the app manager that's in maemo should be built on top of apt ... so tell me, will dist-upgrade screw the thing ? |
| 19:51.27 | chupy35 | how can i free space on rootfs? |
| 19:51.50 | Thomas_Zahreddin | hi, i have a vanilla N810 and the volume is so low - any solution for this? (system and app volume is to the max - still to low) |
| 19:52.08 | lcuk | clean your ears out |
| 19:52.37 | ioeee | 80,6mb :D |
| 19:52.38 | lcuk | Thomas_Zahreddin, also, too low at what point, in a specific app, with a specific media file? |
| 19:52.39 | C-S-B | with the patches in the titan kernel, can I assume that except injection, aircrack works? |
| 19:54.25 | Arkenoi | so we can rearrange application icon positions now, but there are no folders? that sucks, i'm going back to mymenu -- does it work with pr1.2? |
| 19:54.25 | Rabidus | still application manager whines about pc connection.. :( |
| 19:54.25 | thresh | yes it does |
| 19:54.25 | mintux | I plu my n900 to pc but it doesn't mount kust see the icons |
| 19:54.25 | Thomas_Zahreddin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.25 | Rabidus | removed unnecessary cataloques and booted |
| 19:54.53 | lcuk | Rabidus, its not whinging, backup,reflash,restore. |
| 19:55.12 | Rabidus | cable is missing, that's why i'm whining :) |
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| 19:55.15 | lcuk | or have a go at clearing space, but read the topic first it has ideas |
| 19:55.40 | Corsac | grmbl, seems that transfering pcap files makes the wlan0 freezes |
| 19:55.44 | josephnexus | Rabidus, visit me here in southeast idaho, united states, I'll lend you my cable |
| 19:55.47 | josephnexus | :-p |
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| 19:56.58 | mintux | it says device storage in use . but I don't use any file of storage |
| 19:57.09 | Rabidus | ok.. it's about... too far away :) |
| 19:57.15 | Rabidus | nearly other side of world |
| 19:57.39 | mintux | how can I know what app is using storage |
| 19:57.40 | slonopotamus | mintux: who cares what you use... you device uses it! |
| 19:57.54 | ruskie | hmm interesting... they added a fsck for home |
| 19:58.18 | slonopotamus | mintux: lsof. no idea if it is available in maemo |
| 19:58.25 | Macer | haha |
| 19:58.38 | marex | Rabidus, europe ? |
| 19:58.45 | Rabidus | yeah, finland |
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| 19:58.47 | Macer | uhm |
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| 19:59.02 | marex | Rabidus, try console -- sudo gainroot ... apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:59.03 | Macer | whats with the maemo update needing a windows pc? |
| 19:59.08 | Macer | :) |
| 19:59.14 | ruskie | Macer, it doesn't |
| 19:59.32 | Macer | ruskie: it keeps telling me it does in app manager |
| 19:59.41 | josephnexus | macer, it lies |
| 19:59.50 | ruskie | could also probably use flasher |
| 19:59.58 | marex | heck ... can I do that dist-upgrade or will it fsck it up ? |
| 20:00.05 | microlith | dist-upgrade is probably a bad idea |
| 20:00.06 | ruskie | marex, depends |
| 20:00.14 | Rabidus | what :O |
| 20:00.15 | slonopotamus | Macer: and... it doesn't suggest to download a windows pc? |
| 20:00.18 | ruskie | for me it fscked up |
| 20:00.20 | xorAxAx | hmmm, which reasons are known why OTA for PR 1.2 fails? |
| 20:00.28 | marex | ruskie, in what way ? |
| 20:00.31 | xorAxAx | i have 53 MB free |
| 20:00.31 | ruskie | I'm currently cleaning up the stuff I don't need |
| 20:00.36 | thresh | xorAxAx: nokia is the main reason |
| 20:00.39 | ruskie | marex, I had customizations |
| 20:00.43 | Rabidus | "you dont have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:00.48 | xorAxAx | thresh: yes, that as well |
| 20:00.53 | ruskie | though frankly it shouldn't happen sadly |
| 20:00.56 | microlith | xorAxAx: made any modification to the filesystem layout, full eMMC |
| 20:00.59 | marex | ruskie, I only have stuff from the official feeds and extra |
| 20:01.05 | xorAxAx | microlith: yes, i did |
| 20:01.07 | marex | ruskie, was it recoverable ? |
| 20:01.16 | microlith | xorAxAx: what'd you do? |
| 20:01.18 | ruskie | marex, not for me... went into a reboot cycle |
| 20:01.19 | Arkenoi | barriosqare does not install anymore -- python2.5-qt4-gui conflict |
| 20:01.23 | xorAxAx | microlith: the ruskie script |
| 20:01.23 | ruskie | had to reflash |
| 20:01.29 | microlith | moved stuff off rootfs? |
| 20:01.37 | xorAxAx | microlith: yes |
| 20:01.46 | pupnik_ | can we fix a 1.2 apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:01.48 | microlith | yeah, the upgrade process won't like that at all |
| 20:01.48 | ruskie | xorAxAx, different changes for 1.2 |
| 20:01.58 | ruskie | and apparently some other stuff as well |
| 20:02.01 | xorAxAx | ruskie: well, the OTA doesnt want to run |
| 20:02.04 | marex | ruskie, that can be done over the usual cable supplied with N900, right ... |
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| 20:02.10 | ruskie | marex, yup |
| 20:02.10 | xorAxAx | ruskie: it instructs me to use the flasher |
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| 20:02.18 | marex | ruskie, so no risk of bricking the device ? |
| 20:02.21 | microlith | if you've made changes to your rootfs, yes, use the flasher |
| 20:02.21 | ruskie | xorAxAx, well I used apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:02.36 | pupnik_ | any luck with that ruskie |
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| 20:02.43 | ruskie | pupnik_, it crapped for some reason |
| 20:02.51 | xorAxAx | ruskie: that activated the watchdogs because an optify-runonce program killed stuff |
| 20:02.52 | mintux | is it possible to select text in pdf reader? |
| 20:02.59 | arachnist | i updated with the "gui" |
| 20:03.03 | ruskie | for some reason the device started rebooting |
| 20:03.12 | pupnik_ | here i kept deleting stuff and resuming install |
| 20:03.32 | ruskie | ehh I just reflashed rootfs and am currently purging all the crap on my removelist |
| 20:03.32 | xorAxAx | ruskie: so dist-upgrade isnt safe? |
| 20:03.38 | ruskie | xorAxAx, apparently not |
| 20:03.43 | microlith | I do like that my rootfs now has more than 50% free |
| 20:03.54 | ruskie | I'd really like for dist-upgrade to actually work |
| 20:04.00 | pupnik_ | same |
| 20:04.04 | ruskie | but I'm amazed that there's a fsck for /home now |
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| 20:04.25 | ruskie | though apparently it'll only get run on massive failures |
| 20:04.31 | ruskie | i.e. fs mounted as ro |
| 20:04.42 | marex | ruskie, what modifications have you had ? |
| 20:05.13 | ruskie | marex, init script changes... emmc is spread out to: /home /home/user/MyDocs /opt and swap |
| 20:05.27 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 20:06.01 | pupnik_ | decides to avoid reboot for a few weeks |
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| 20:07.16 | marex | ruskie, so you changed fstab |
| 20:07.17 | marex | ? |
| 20:07.20 | ruskie | marex, yup |
| 20:07.31 | ruskie | marex, you can see most of the changes on User:Ruskie wiki page |
| 20:07.31 | marex | ruskie, wasn't that the case why it crapped / |
| 20:07.33 | marex | ? |
| 20:07.40 | ruskie | marex, it shouldn't |
| 20:07.45 | josephnexus | needs faster internet |
| 20:07.51 | josephnexus | on have 1.5mbps here |
| 20:07.57 | josephnexus | er... only have |
| 20:08.02 | ruskie | marex, it should stop the update and allow me to diff changes and select which ones I want |
| 20:08.04 | lbt | My OTA worked fine with 41.5Mb free .... just FYI |
| 20:08.06 | marex | josephnexus, 10gbps here :b |
| 20:08.12 | ruskie | you know... like normal distros |
| 20:08.19 | josephnexus | marex, share the wealth dude |
| 20:08.21 | marex | ruskie, like normal dpkg ... yea |
| 20:08.21 | josephnexus | :-p |
| 20:08.26 | josephnexus | ur sucking up all of the internets |
| 20:08.29 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 20:08.30 | frals | throws a whale in MohammadAGs general direction |
| 20:08.39 | ruskie | marex, sadly in my case something triggered a reboot before that happened |
| 20:08.43 | *** join/#maemo vblazquez (~vic@243.154.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 20:08.43 | ruskie | and crap ensued |
| 20:08.47 | marex | josephnexus, don't worry, that's only on the server in the basement |
| 20:08.53 | ruskie | UPDATES SHOULD NEVER TRIGGER REBOOTS |
| 20:09.01 | marex | oh jeez |
| 20:09.04 | *** join/#maemo andrewfblack (~927e3333@gateway/web/freenode/x-zugzravzzjvtrcht) |
| 20:09.18 | marex | what the heck :-/ |
| 20:09.19 | ruskie | atleast not without user permission |
| 20:09.27 | marex | ruskie, right |
| 20:09.48 | Rabidus | hey, is it safe to link a cache to somewhere else? |
| 20:09.56 | ruskie | should be |
| 20:09.57 | marex | Rabidus, should be fine |
| 20:10.03 | Rabidus | should :) |
| 20:10.06 | Rabidus | sounds promising :) |
| 20:10.13 | marex | Rabidus, you can adjust the apt config |
| 20:10.14 | slonopotamus | ruskie: they also should not trigger disabling wifi and locking screen. but who listens? |
| 20:10.16 | ruskie | Rabidus, search apt-get howto change cache location |
| 20:10.23 | Rabidus | yeah, i know how to change |
| 20:10.24 | ruskie | slonopotamus, don't forget 3g |
| 20:10.29 | Macer | ok |
| 20:10.31 | Rabidus | i was just thinking is it safe |
| 20:10.35 | ruskie | Rabidus, I meant without symlinking :) |
| 20:10.36 | Macer | im all ears |
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| 20:10.53 | Macer | can i dist update this to work without the windows pc? |
| 20:10.56 | Rabidus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=511870 |
| 20:11.01 | Rabidus | i was looking this thread |
| 20:11.07 | Stskeeps | Macer: use the application manager |
| 20:11.08 | *** join/#maemo FIQ (~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 20:11.15 | Rabidus | user "b666m" |
| 20:11.17 | Stskeeps | if you can't, something's wrong with your setup |
| 20:11.22 | asj_ | bugger, Nokia messaging has stopped working |
| 20:11.29 | Macer | Stskeeps: it keeps telling me i need a pc and to connect the usb |
| 20:11.33 | mintux | it'sintresting nothing use my storage but it said device is busy . I got lsof also |
| 20:11.36 | Macer | wtf? |
| 20:11.40 | Macer | :) |
| 20:11.56 | Macer | and my only option is to create a backup |
| 20:11.57 | Stskeeps | Macer: hrm, ok. what previous version were you on? |
| 20:12.14 | Macer | you mean still on? :) one sec.. |
| 20:12.35 | ruskie | Rabidus, I have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02cache with: Dir::Cache::archives "/home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache/"; |
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| 20:13.14 | Macer | 3.2010.02-8.002 |
| 20:13.24 | Macer | that is what i am using now |
| 20:13.40 | Arkenoi | bets next ota won't go smooth either |
| 20:13.49 | anonuk | sorry to repeat but can anyone tell me how i can get icons back, all my icons and graphics disappeared after updating to 1.2 . cant find which package they are in..... |
| 20:14.16 | ruskie | anonuk, you mean you get squares instead of text and widgets etc? |
| 20:14.31 | frals | Macer: do you get the details for the update? it should list whats conflicting there |
| 20:14.41 | MohammadAG_ | anonuk, I'm assuming the image worked? |
| 20:14.46 | anonuk | ruskie: pink squares and blue squares. and some "missing image" images on bootup |
| 20:14.50 | MohammadAG_ | sorry haven't been to my other PC |
| 20:14.54 | anonuk | MohammadAG: i managed to chroot with mer |
| 20:14.58 | ruskie | anonuk, hmm sounds like /opt is missing |
| 20:15.01 | ruskie | can you check |
| 20:15.02 | MohammadAG_ | heh |
| 20:15.06 | anonuk | MohammadAG: took ages but now im missing all the graphics in maemo |
| 20:15.20 | MohammadAG_ | anonuk, graphics? |
| 20:15.23 | anonuk | MohammadAG: and also the icons and hildon theme |
| 20:15.32 | ruskie | yeah that's /opt |
| 20:15.33 | frals | MohammadAG_: bah, thought you were on the other client, you have pm there! |
| 20:15.35 | anonuk | pink squares and 'missing image' icons everywhere |
| 20:15.44 | MohammadAG_ | frals, paste again :P |
| 20:15.44 | anonuk | ruskie: how do i check /opt |
| 20:15.46 | frals | and now you have it on both! |
| 20:15.54 | ruskie | some stuff gets moved to /opt with the update |
| 20:15.55 | anonuk | ruskie: and where should i mount it to? |
| 20:16.09 | anonuk | ruskie: i mean what do i mount? MyDocs/opt? |
| 20:16.38 | anonuk | is there a way to manually copy stuff to there or reset it? cant flash no usb port |
| 20:16.40 | ruskie | /home/opt is where it should exist primarily and be bind mounted to /opt |
| 20:16.47 | Macer | This Maemo update requires the Nokia software update application... |
| 20:16.59 | Macer | wtf? |
| 20:17.08 | Stskeeps | or flasher |
| 20:17.29 | *** part/#maemo anonuk (~anonuk@195-241-30-252.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 20:17.32 | *** join/#maemo anonuk (~anonuk@195-241-30-252.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 20:17.37 | Macer | so i will have to manually download an image and flash it. |
| 20:17.41 | Macer | ? |
| 20:17.51 | Stskeeps | right |
| 20:17.52 | Macer | update fail |
| 20:17.53 | Stskeeps | or NSU handles it |
| 20:18.32 | Macer | adds this to the no list next to "portrait" |
| 20:18.35 | Macer | :) |
| 20:19.03 | *** join/#maemo anonuk (~anonuk@195-241-30-252.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 20:19.12 | Scelt | Macer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53626 |
| 20:19.25 | anonuk | ruskie: sorry irc client was acting up... is there a way to reset/copy over the icons and images into /opt |
| 20:19.36 | ruskie | /home/opt is where it should exist primarily and be bind mounted to /opt |
| 20:20.03 | anonuk | it is |
| 20:20.11 | *** join/#maemo MarLawN (~MarLawN@86.26.35.165) |
| 20:20.15 | anonuk | but somehow still not finding the icons/images |
| 20:20.19 | MarLawN | hello everyone |
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| 20:20.36 | anonuk | wondering how i can reinstall them manually (or by force) |
| 20:20.37 | MarLawN | flashing fest today ? :) |
| 20:20.38 | ruskie | anonuk, and I take it you tried rebooting? |
| 20:20.48 | Macer | Scelt: oh i am sure i can figure out how to do it and get it going |
| 20:20.49 | anonuk | ruskie: yep |
| 20:20.55 | Macer | but it is still fail heh |
| 20:20.59 | anonuk | ruskie: and reinstalling all the packages in the apt archive |
| 20:21.03 | anonuk | ruskie: from the update |
| 20:21.11 | Macer | not really an end user device for the masses it seems |
| 20:21.13 | anonuk | ruskie: and flashing is not an option on this machine |
| 20:21.53 | Aranel | I've moved the locale-archive to /home/ and symlinked it, but I still have the same rootfs space. How its possible? |
| 20:22.13 | ruskie | Aranel, iirc ubifs does some compression as well |
| 20:22.28 | Macer | i honestly shouldnt have to go through all these steps for an ota update :) |
| 20:22.28 | slonopotamus | arachnist: /home is on rootfs, surprise :) |
| 20:22.38 | microlith | wow |
| 20:22.55 | xorAxAx | straces apt-worker |
| 20:22.57 | microlith | the calculator breaks in spectacular fashion when put into portait mode |
| 20:23.03 | MarLawN | well I don't see why I should lose all my data cause I'm reinstalling the OS - I always put home on a different partition |
| 20:23.09 | slonopotamus | straces strace |
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| 20:23.25 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: eep, why? |
| 20:23.34 | Macer | freeing up rootfs.. using a pc... manually downloading an image? seriously? just for a phone update. put one in the android column for and v maemo |
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| 20:23.38 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: because i can! |
| 20:23.48 | Macer | :) |
| 20:23.52 | Aranel | slonopotamus: really? /home/ is rootfs, too? |
| 20:24.23 | slonopotamus | arachnist: df -h will tell you everything you want to know about partition layout :) |
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| 20:24.46 | ruskie | slonopotamus, having completion issues? |
| 20:24.50 | arachnist | slonopotamus: it didn't change here |
| 20:24.54 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 20:25.01 | Macer | anyways. have to get my son.. i will do this lame ass windows pc required update or flashing manually update later i suppose |
| 20:25.07 | slonopotamus | ruskie: kinda |
| 20:25.18 | slonopotamus | Aranel: okay, i was wrong :) |
| 20:25.18 | arachnist | as in, my ~/ is still on a 2G partition |
| 20:25.20 | Aranel | slonopotamus: so where do I have to move it? /home/opt? |
| 20:26.02 | Aranel | hmm. so It doesnt explain why I didnt gain even a little free space after moving :/ |
| 20:26.02 | ruskie | /dev/mmcblk0p2 20.2G /home /dev/mmcblk0p4 3.6G /home/opt /dev/mmcblk0p1 4.8G /home/user/MyDocs |
| 20:26.03 | MarLawN | I was looking in the documentation about flashing and holding the 'u' key but I can't find out why and I can still flash without holding - do you know what does it actually do ? i.e. Press and hold down the 'u' key but no reason |
| 20:26.05 | *** join/#maemo muelli (~muelli@rzdspc10.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) |
| 20:26.13 | ruskie | for me this works well ;) |
| 20:26.23 | ruskie | MarLawN, it can be needed at times to get the device into the right usb mode |
| 20:26.34 | slonopotamus | Aranel: apt-get purge python2.5-minimal :) |
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| 20:26.58 | slonopotamus | Aranel: i managed to free 30 megs that way here |
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| 20:27.30 | slonopotamus | Aranel: you can reinstall removed apps after upgrade |
| 20:27.31 | anonuk | ruskie: no ideas what package those icons and images are in? |
| 20:27.51 | Aranel | slonopotamus: isnt is dangerous to purge python2.5? |
| 20:27.53 | ruskie | anonuk, lemme find it out |
| 20:27.53 | MarLawN | ruskie, this at times seems very ugly to me. Anyway, thanks. I've installed yesterday the leaked version, and then debian - going to do it again tonight with the UK version - btw, any particular difference in the various builds ? |
| 20:28.06 | slonopotamus | Aranel: no, it isn't bundled with os |
| 20:28.12 | anonuk | ruskie: thx |
| 20:28.34 | ruskie | anonuk, hildon-theme-alpha and hildon-theme-beta |
| 20:28.36 | ruskie | anonuk, try that |
| 20:28.37 | slonopotamus | Aranel: however it is very likely that some of apps you installed need it (and so they will be removed too) |
| 20:28.43 | Rinsmaster | I have a quick question: I'm trying to update to PR1.2, and the update manager says I have to launch the "Nokia software update application" on my computer. Do they mean the flasher with that? Does that mean I'll lose my data if I don't back-up? |
| 20:29.03 | xorAxAx | yes, yes |
| 20:29.04 | ruskie | Rinsmaster, the data should be on the eMMC and the flasher will only touch the rootfs |
| 20:29.11 | MarLawN | Rinsmaster, I backed all up but I flashed and it was all there, just some settings gone |
| 20:29.22 | johnsu01 | Rinsmaster: I just had that as well, and I'm pretty sure it was just because I lacked space on rootfs |
| 20:29.22 | Rinsmaster | Oh, great, thanks guys! |
| 20:29.24 | MarLawN | I suggest you backup anyway |
| 20:29.29 | anonuk | ruskie: done that already, didnt work |
| 20:29.32 | johnsu01 | Rinsmaster: but anyway I ran a backup, then used the flasher |
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| 20:29.41 | ruskie | anonuk, that's really the only thing... |
| 20:29.41 | johnsu01 | Rinsmaster: then restored the backup, and all seems good |
| 20:29.43 | Rinsmaster | I will definately back-up, I was just wondering :) |
| 20:29.50 | ruskie | anonuk, not sure about anything else |
| 20:30.06 | MarLawN | Rinsmaster, what version are you installing ? USA ? UK ? |
| 20:30.18 | Rinsmaster | MarLawN, Not sure? I'm in the Netherlands |
| 20:30.24 | Rinsmaster | Global I guess? |
| 20:30.27 | marex | ruskie, doing dist-upgrade ... we'll see |
| 20:30.29 | MarLawN | I guess since you've got it in the update that it would be the you bought it from |
| 20:30.30 | anonuk | ruskie: surely those icons and things must be in one of the packages? |
| 20:30.39 | Rinsmaster | Or can I choose? |
| 20:30.49 | MarLawN | from the site you can choose, from the mobile I don't know |
| 20:30.51 | MarLawN | I flashed it |
| 20:31.12 | ruskie | anonuk, I'm guessing something is bad with the optification |
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| 20:31.19 | Aranel | slonopotamus: ok, doing it now.. *prays* |
| 20:31.29 | anonuk | anonuk: yes thats probably it, but is there a way to trace it and fix it |
| 20:31.31 | Rinsmaster | MarLawN, oh, so it can be done without a computer too? |
| 20:31.35 | Aranel | slonopotamus: I'm running remove instead of purge, any difference? |
| 20:31.51 | slonopotamus | Aranel: almost none :) |
| 20:31.57 | valdyn | Aranel: purge removes configuration aswell |
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| 20:32.56 | slonopotamus | Aranel: you'd better read what it is removing so you know what apps you installed got eradicated |
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| 20:33.27 | Aranel | slonopotamus: already did that, noted them =) |
| 20:33.33 | slonopotamus | k |
| 20:33.55 | slonopotamus | Aranel: tell us how much space you get :) |
| 20:34.54 | slonopotamus | wonders why maemo pulls in qt |
| 20:35.08 | Rinsmaster | Also, guys, what does "OTA" mean? I can't find it anywhere, I feel such a noob... :/ |
| 20:35.10 | ruskie | slonopotamus, because it's now part of the basesystem |
| 20:35.15 | ruskie | Rinsmaster, Over The Air |
| 20:35.19 | josephnexus | OTA = over the air |
| 20:35.29 | slonopotamus | ruskie: but why? base system has no apps using it |
| 20:35.33 | marex | slonopotamus, to pull in developers ;-) |
| 20:35.44 | ruskie | slonopotamus, the next one will have it as the primary toolkit |
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| 20:35.59 | josephnexus | crosses his fingers as his phone finishes installing and is now installing the maemo update |
| 20:36.01 | slonopotamus | ruskie: sooo? |
| 20:36.05 | Aranel | 0_0 |
| 20:36.10 | Aranel | I didnt get any free space |
| 20:36.15 | Aranel | I lost 3 megabytes. |
| 20:36.16 | slonopotamus | marex: it could happily sit in repo, like python does |
| 20:36.17 | josephnexus | finishes downloading |
| 20:36.28 | Aranel | how it can be possible?? |
| 20:36.36 | slonopotamus | Aranel: how you're checking it? df -h / ? |
| 20:36.52 | Aranel | df -h |
| 20:36.53 | joga | Aranel: did you remove the pkgcache thingy? |
| 20:37.00 | joga | (it regenerated it?) |
| 20:37.06 | Aranel | Available 29.7 |
| 20:37.08 | Rinsmaster | ruskie, oh, so I _can_ update it without the flasher? My update manager says I have to use a computer.. |
| 20:37.12 | slonopotamus | Aranel: and what it says for / ? |
| 20:37.15 | Aranel | pkgcache thing? |
| 20:37.27 | joga | Aranel: in /var/cache/apt |
| 20:37.29 | Aranel | 29.8M |
| 20:37.39 | slonopotamus | Aranel: did apt-get clean already? |
| 20:37.57 | Aranel | no I did not remove pkgcache |
| 20:37.58 | joga | Aranel: referring to (2013 Aranel) is it ok to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin ? they took 3.9 megabytes. |
| 20:37.58 | slonopotamus | (you can't lose space by deinstalling stuff) |
| 20:38.01 | joga | ok |
| 20:38.16 | joga | sure you can if something uses it while doing the uninstall ;) |
| 20:38.26 | Aranel | did apt-get clean |
| 20:38.30 | joga | or, it's reporting it falsely |
| 20:38.33 | Aranel | still 29.8 |
| 20:38.33 | joga | tried rebooting? |
| 20:38.33 | slonopotamus | (we're not in windows) |
| 20:38.37 | emillo | hi all I have updated the firmware but now the image in "mirror " is very dark almost black |
| 20:38.50 | slonopotamus | emillo: mirror is broken |
| 20:38.58 | Aranel | it should be a curse. |
| 20:39.07 | emillo | yesterday it was working |
| 20:39.07 | dmj726 | how is mirror broken? |
| 20:39.10 | Aranel | I really cant understand how can I lose space when I remove lots of package. |
| 20:39.14 | slonopotamus | emillo: i got much worse picture with it than with other things using front camera |
| 20:39.15 | joga | emillo: now it has better image quality |
| 20:39.22 | Aranel | how can I run fsck on n900? |
| 20:39.31 | joga | even though it's unusably dark and grey |
| 20:39.42 | dmj726 | slonopotamus: what other things used the front camera? |
| 20:39.43 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: why? |
| 20:39.48 | joga | maybe in direct sunlight it's okayish |
| 20:39.54 | timeless_mbp | you'd run it as root from a shell |
| 20:39.59 | timeless_mbp | just like you would anywhere else... |
| 20:40.05 | dmj726 | ...mirror also gets bad picture quality with the back camera for some reason. |
| 20:40.06 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: I've lost space after uninstalling lots of stuff -including python2.5- |
| 20:40.11 | joga | but the quality has significantly become better I think :) |
| 20:40.20 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: did you reboot? |
| 20:40.21 | slonopotamus | dmj726: you can convince mplayer to play what front camera sees. don't remember exact command. |
| 20:40.32 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: running fsck isn't going to give you space |
| 20:40.42 | joga | Aranel: have you rebooted? |
| 20:40.51 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: now I did and regained some of the space. 42.0M =) |
| 20:40.58 | joga | :) |
| 20:41.00 | Aranel | damn, it was really weird. |
| 20:41.09 | joga | it's not really, that's how it kinda works |
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| 20:41.57 | joga | if something still has the old stuff in memory, it won't be 'really' gone until the process stops |
| 20:42.00 | Aranel | timeless_mbp: doing regular filesystem checks is a old habit, comes from Win98 :P It also worked on some cases on ext3. If your filesystem fills up even if you remove something, it is good to check. |
| 20:42.00 | emillo | joga: so it's a regression or a new feature? |
| 20:42.16 | slonopotamus | dmj726: and the fact that pr1.2 ships video skype and gtalk makes me think that they managed to make front camera produce usable picture |
| 20:42.28 | joga | emillo: I suspect it's mirror's problem, but the camera has gotten better, but I haven't yet tried anything but mirror with it |
| 20:42.37 | Aranel | now I have 42.0M, can I upgrade to PR1.2? I'm trying to do it for hours :/ |
| 20:42.42 | marex | ruskie, did the dist-upgrade finish for you ? |
| 20:42.44 | emillo | joga: I tried skype and was dark as well |
| 20:42.49 | marex | ruskie, or it rebooted in the middle |
| 20:42.53 | slonopotamus | Aranel: try :) |
| 20:42.54 | ruskie | marex, no clue... when I checked on it it was rebooting |
| 20:42.58 | timeless_mbp | Aranel: that's not how this file system works |
| 20:42.58 | dmj726 | ...take a look at what mirror produces for /dev/video0 and you'll see |
| 20:42.59 | joga | emillo: heh, turn on flashlight and reflect it with a paper or something |
| 20:42.59 | ruskie | so I'm assuming in the middle |
| 20:43.00 | joga | ;) |
| 20:43.05 | timeless_mbp | here it's garbage collected |
| 20:43.25 | marex | ruskie, d-u still in progress |
| 20:43.27 | Rinsmaster | Can anyone tell me why I can't do an OTA update? Updating the "Maemo 5" package tells me I have to use the flasher on a computer.. |
| 20:43.37 | ruskie | Rinsmaster, out of space? |
| 20:43.46 | joga | out of internets? |
| 20:43.57 | lcuk | see the channel topic |
| 20:44.03 | slonopotamus | Rinsmaster: didn't pay checks? |
| 20:44.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | Rinsmaster: see /topic |
| 20:44.09 | Rinsmaster | WiFi is connected, and I have about 30M free on rootfs |
| 20:44.25 | slonopotamus | Rinsmaster: make it more about 40mb |
| 20:44.26 | noobmonk3y | could i ask a favour of some lovely people in here please :D - in about 5 mins (New version of healthcheck will be in extras devel), want a few people with different firmware variants (PR1.2) to update and check what comes out in the firmware version pleeeeease. IE usa variant should say ... PR1.2 - USA Version |
| 20:44.35 | Rinsmaster | oh, I'll flash it then |
| 20:44.37 | Rinsmaster | thanks |
| 20:45.14 | Aranel | slonopotamus: It seems I still can't. |
| 20:45.20 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, hardware revision? |
| 20:45.31 | noobmonk3y | wohooo healthcheck update in devel if anyone is able to help me out - muchos appreciation |
| 20:45.38 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, firmware revision |
| 20:45.48 | Aranel | slonopotamus: any good libraries to remove? :P |
| 20:46.02 | noobmonk3y | and goooood evening :) |
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| 20:47.07 | lcuk | Aranel, i believe i have already backed up, downloaded pr1.2, installed it, restored apps and am now onto getting changes for a later PR in place whilst you are still not giving up with finding a way round it |
| 20:47.13 | lcuk | how much space have you got now? |
| 20:47.24 | Aranel | 42.0 |
| 20:47.32 | Aranel | after removing the python. |
| 20:47.41 | noobmonk3y | 'the python' w000p |
| 20:48.04 | noobmonk3y | the freeing up rootfs guide on the wiki is the way - ie sorting the downloads location archive bit out works fine |
| 20:48.10 | lcuk | you are aware that this method you are wiping out stuff via may still not be enough |
| 20:48.24 | slonopotamus | Aranel: fire up app manager, open removal list, sort by size and see what's on top :) |
| 20:48.33 | pupnik_ | how can i remove unneeded l10n-* |
| 20:48.38 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:48.47 | slonopotamus | Aranel: fmradioplayer freed about 3 megs |
| 20:49.11 | noobmonk3y | soooo... any lovely healthcheck testers? :D |
| 20:49.17 | slonopotamus | Aranel: fbreader is smth like that too |
| 20:49.33 | MohammadAG_ | oh look, there's a monkey on the channel |
| 20:49.36 | Aranel | It seems like I'll even remove the linux kernel and updater will still not be happy :| |
| 20:50.05 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:50.08 | noobmonk3y | he Mo ;) |
| 20:50.09 | noobmonk3y | hey* |
| 20:50.31 | noobmonk3y | he-mo the offspring of he man and mo-mowlam? |
| 20:50.43 | noobmonk3y | chadi, evening |
| 20:50.44 | ruskie | wtf |
| 20:50.46 | Aranel | lcuk: why do you think that it may still not be enough? Isnt 45.0~ ok for update? |
| 20:50.46 | ruskie | Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 20:50.49 | noobmonk3y | frals, evening |
| 20:50.58 | frals | evening noobmonk3y o/ |
| 20:51.03 | noobmonk3y | Aranel, seems to be random atm somewhere between 43 and 60 does it |
| 20:51.18 | GAN900 | sp3000, thanks for being quick on the bug response. |
| 20:51.25 | noobmonk3y | flashing is just so much easier then faffing lol |
| 20:51.28 | Aranel | 60. |
| 20:51.29 | Aranel | 60. |
| 20:51.31 | Aranel | 60? |
| 20:51.36 | frals | bah should head to bed soon, wouldve wanted to fix fmms a bit :( |
| 20:51.42 | noobmonk3y | awwwwww |
| 20:51.46 | frals | what you upto noobmonk3y? |
| 20:51.55 | noobmonk3y | just fixing baby bugs in h/c |
| 20:51.57 | *** join/#maemo micze (~51eddab2@gateway/web/freenode/x-afhsxhuedxfkkaqr) |
| 20:51.59 | lcuk | :( |
| 20:52.00 | noobmonk3y | and erm preparing for my travels |
| 20:52.13 | noobmonk3y | is gonna be 1/2 way towards lcuk by saturday lol |
| 20:52.17 | frals | where you going? :) |
| 20:52.18 | strohi | it is possible to resize the / partition? |
| 20:52.32 | lcuk | is gonna be in dorset on monday |
| 20:52.41 | noobmonk3y | borrowing my bros funky ickle sporty car and visiting mates on my way to my best mates 30th - go karting wooooop |
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| 20:52.44 | frals | have no idea where hes going to be on monday |
| 20:52.44 | ruskie | strohi, reduce it that's all |
| 20:52.48 | lcuk | and tue,wed,thu,fri |
| 20:52.53 | lcuk | no internet |
| 20:52.54 | noobmonk3y | i'll be back in worthing on monday lol |
| 20:52.58 | lcuk | a full itiniary |
| 20:53.15 | frals | no internet for a week? wow! |
| 20:53.15 | strohi | ruskie, the partition? i think maximize would be better |
| 20:53.21 | lcuk | frals sure |
| 20:53.29 | ruskie | strohi, it's 256 flash on the chip |
| 20:53.30 | noobmonk3y | frals, very doable when you spend all day on a pc |
| 20:53.31 | lcuk | i rarely use internet when i travel |
| 20:53.34 | strohi | hm k |
| 20:53.36 | lcuk | but with family its even less |
| 20:53.37 | slonopotamus | Aranel: i have 80 free after updating to pr1.2 :) |
| 20:53.39 | noobmonk3y | had no pc at home most of last year |
| 20:53.42 | ruskie | strohi, the rest of the storage is an internal MMC |
| 20:53.42 | MohammadAG_ | <frals> no internet for a week? wow! |
| 20:53.53 | MohammadAG_ | Bad Sulzangen (?) wasn't any better |
| 20:53.58 | lcuk | slonopotamus, 80 is reasonable, its over 100mb for a clean flash |
| 20:53.59 | strohi | ruskie, i can't upgrade using the update manager .. oh i didn't know that |
| 20:54.01 | frals | i knew you were isolated on your little island but bloody hell i expected there to be some kind of network built ;) |
| 20:54.24 | lcuk | frals, its purely functional |
| 20:54.30 | frals | :) |
| 20:54.50 | Aranel | slonopotamus: removed fbreader. fmradioplayer is not installed. |
| 20:54.51 | noobmonk3y | lol frals |
| 20:54.52 | lcuk | i just dont see why i travel XYZ miles to sit on bum infront of a screen |
| 20:54.54 | Shapeshifter | Has someone written a tool to pre-render and scale map data for maep, mapper etc.? |
| 20:55.07 | slonopotamus | Aranel: how much? :) |
| 20:55.11 | noobmonk3y | whinges |
| 20:55.17 | MohammadAG_ | yeah lcuk there's VNC for that |
| 20:55.21 | Shapeshifter | like, so that someone can let the whole of europe through to be cached so that it's available "offline"? |
| 20:55.21 | noobmonk3y | i want healthcheck testers lol.... |
| 20:55.29 | Aranel | slonopotamus: cant say before reboot :| It doesnt give me any free space. weird. |
| 20:55.32 | noobmonk3y | goes and storms tmo..... gotta be some bored trolls |
| 20:55.33 | frals | lcuk: good point, i however dont need to sit infront of a screen the whole time even though i do have net access ;) |
| 20:55.35 | MohammadAG_ | he wants a healthcheck for healthcheck |
| 20:55.46 | noobmonk3y | thinks Mo is talking the truth, innit |
| 20:56.06 | lcuk | frals i have phone with me and that has emergency access and i can keep updated in read only mode if required |
| 20:56.11 | joga | Aranel: you've checked that there's nothing big in /home/user or so? |
| 20:56.16 | MohammadAG_ | nah, I was just pointing out the obvious irony |
| 20:56.18 | lcuk | ie n900 awesomeness :D |
| 20:56.41 | Aranel | joga: isnt /home/user is another partition? apart from rootfs? |
| 20:56.47 | MohammadAG_ | lol [extras-builds] [fremantle]: grr 0.0.4 FAILED Maemo Extras Builder |
| 20:56.50 | noobmonk3y | will be honing his go-karting skills in a fiesta RS w0000p |
| 20:56.53 | Zucca | Aye! |
| 20:57.01 | noobmonk3y | no phone for much of this wkend :P |
| 20:57.01 | joga | Aranel: /home/user/MyDocs is |
| 20:57.14 | joga | /home/user is still on rootfs |
| 20:57.16 | frals | lcuk: if you got your n900 with network access you cant claim to be going off without net :D |
| 20:57.18 | Zucca | Now Maemo 5 terminal works with tmux. \o/ |
| 20:57.26 | joga | oh, no sorry, it isn't |
| 20:57.35 | joga | missed one line in mount that says /home |
| 20:57.44 | ruskie | hmm how can one specify a specific version of a packaget to install using apt-get ? |
| 20:57.52 | frals | package=version? |
| 20:57.53 | lcuk | frals, indeed i can |
| 20:57.59 | lcuk | phone is phone |
| 20:58.06 | joga | but mydocs and home are on separate partitions |
| 20:58.06 | lcuk | i will not be sat here like htis |
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| 20:58.13 | frals | fair enough |
| 20:58.20 | marex | ruskie, ok, reboot |
| 20:58.33 | marex | ruskie, but dist-upgrade finished |
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| 20:58.48 | strohi | the only way to upgrade is to flash the device? |
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| 20:59.07 | joga | strohi, I did it OTA |
| 20:59.18 | marex | ruskie, I see NOKIA logo and a progress bar |
| 20:59.38 | josephnexus | marex, it's updating |
| 20:59.52 | marex | updating what ? |
| 20:59.58 | josephnexus | your OS |
| 21:00.02 | strohi | hm |
| 21:00.04 | josephnexus | at least that's what mine did |
| 21:00.09 | joga | yeah |
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| 21:00.50 | marex | Enter PIN |
| 21:00.50 | marex | ... |
| 21:01.04 | marex | invitation ... wtf |
| 21:01.10 | joga | invitation? |
| 21:01.12 | xorAxAx | ruskie: so what do i need to modify in my scripts for 1.2? |
| 21:01.23 | marex | dunno ... there were two buttons |
| 21:01.32 | dmj726 | is there a 64 bit version of flasher? |
| 21:01.33 | marex | Term and whatever (didn't read that far) and Continue |
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| 21:01.51 | marex | *Terms of use maybe |
| 21:01.52 | joga | I don't recall such |
| 21:01.57 | joga | but might have been there |
| 21:02.04 | joga | heh, no one reads those ;P |
| 21:02.17 | marex | this is europe ... free continent :b |
| 21:02.20 | lcuk | xorAxAx, what kinds of scripts |
| 21:02.22 | joga | like ads on the internet...even if you don't have adblock, your brain skips them |
| 21:02.45 | xorAxAx | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie |
| 21:02.48 | marex | MAEMO 5 ... 10.2010.19-1 |
| 21:02.50 | ruskie | marex, there is some thing called My Nokia in settings now |
| 21:02.52 | marex | over dist-upgrade :) |
| 21:03.00 | xorAxAx | ruskie: do the old sed commands work? |
| 21:03.14 | pupnik_ | is there any saving script for us dist-upgraders? |
| 21:03.15 | ruskie | xorAxAx, no scripts changed |
| 21:03.16 | marex | ruskie, what's that for ... worthless |
| 21:03.28 | ruskie | marex, no clue... some sms service or something |
| 21:03.35 | xorAxAx | ruskie: hmm? the update doesnt revert the scripts? |
| 21:03.50 | xorAxAx | ruskie: then why did it get you stuck in a loop |
| 21:03.55 | joga | "When you have registered to My Nokia, free tips and support will be sent regularly via SMS to your Nokia." ... lol, if I was really lonely I might even subscribe to that |
| 21:03.58 | ruskie | xorAxAx, no clue |
| 21:04.04 | marex | ruskie, the description says "I'm useless, you don't want to use me" ... ok |
| 21:04.29 | ruskie | joga, hmm it's saying I'm subscribed but I'm 100% sure I never subscribed |
| 21:04.30 | xorAxAx | found the reason for the OTA problems: "apt-get dist-upgrade" may not remove a single package, otherwise HAM bails out |
| 21:04.47 | xorAxAx | ruskie: so i can update to pr 1.2 and dont need to run anything afterwards? |
| 21:04.55 | josephnexus | is there a changelog for 1.2? |
| 21:05.03 | joga | ruskie: seems gray for me too, and unsubscribe seems selectable |
| 21:05.05 | xorAxAx | josephnexus: yes, in the wiki |
| 21:05.09 | xorAxAx | josephnexus: see RC |
| 21:05.12 | joga | presses unsubscribe |
| 21:05.18 | joga | it's still the same |
| 21:05.24 | MohammadAG_ | Gotta run peeops |
| 21:05.27 | MohammadAG_ | -o |
| 21:05.30 | MohammadAG_ | Night #maemo |
| 21:05.40 | josephnexus | see ya |
| 21:05.40 | Dr_Cain | so uh, update OTA or via cable? |
| 21:05.42 | MohammadAG_ | slaps noobmonk3y and throws him at frals |
| 21:05.47 | joga | LOL now I got an SMS "Attempt to unsubscribe has failed. Go to 'My Nokia' in Settings to try again. Visit www. blalbalbbal" |
| 21:05.50 | Dr_Cain | it's telling me I need to plug it in and run through nokia software update |
| 21:05.55 | joga | go nokia :) |
| 21:05.56 | lcuk | gnite MohammadAG_ |
| 21:05.57 | frals | nn MohammadAG_ |
| 21:06.02 | MohammadAG_ | joga, I couldn't unsubscribe too |
| 21:06.11 | dmj726 | xorAxAx: What was making it bail? |
| 21:06.13 | joga | maybe they just highlighted the wrong buttons |
| 21:06.13 | MohammadAG_ | joga, you paid to see that message btw ;) |
| 21:06.14 | joga | ;p |
| 21:06.14 | xorAxAx | unsubscribe from what? |
| 21:06.16 | marex | ruskie, well thanks for the support ... time to fight OE again :-( |
| 21:06.19 | joga | MohammadAG_! |
| 21:06.22 | MohammadAG_ | Night lcuk, night frals |
| 21:06.25 | xorAxAx | dmj726: libqt4-qt3support |
| 21:06.25 | joga | an outrage! :-p |
| 21:06.30 | MohammadAG_ | yes you paid for it |
| 21:06.47 | dmj726 | xorAxAx: is anything using that? |
| 21:06.58 | xorAxAx | dmj726: nope |
| 21:07.00 | joga | xorAxAx: from the my nokia thing |
| 21:07.14 | lcuk | xorAxAx, rcs late was modified |
| 21:07.40 | lcuk | opt is a mountbind now |
| 21:07.59 | xorAxAx | lcuk: ah |
| 21:08.02 | xorAxAx | hmm, OTA failed for me |
| 21:08.17 | dmj726 | so that wasn't it? |
| 21:08.19 | lcuk | well you have done some pretty invasive mods |
| 21:08.30 | xorAxAx | well, it said "failed" in the middle of processing |
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| 21:09.05 | joga | xorAxAx: did it keep going or stop? |
| 21:09.19 | xorAxAx | it stopped working and rebootet |
| 21:09.21 | joga | k :( |
| 21:09.26 | xorAxAx | s/t$/d/ |
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| 21:09.39 | dougt_ | is thumb supported in the 1.2 rom? I have looked at two device (cat /proc/cpuinfo) and do not see thumb listed as a feature. But I do have one person saying that it was supported in the 1.1 ROM. |
| 21:09.50 | joga | if you have shortcutd running and press the cam key while it's updating you probably get "Operation failed" notification at some point but it doesn't matter |
| 21:10.05 | joga | dougt_: thumb? |
| 21:10.07 | MohammadAG | 's shadow slaps frals again |
| 21:10.21 | frals | chucks a whale at moh |
| 21:10.22 | frals | bah! |
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| 21:11.50 | Shapeshifter | Today I walked past the guy who wrote vim |
| 21:12.02 | Shapeshifter | Didn't get the chance to shake hands... |
| 21:13.09 | spinningcompass | Shapeshifter: You forgot the key combo, right? :) !shake: (switch to entry mode) $$$shake. |
| 21:13.10 | dmj726 | where do I get the image to flash my n900 with |
| 21:13.11 | marex | joga, arm has two instruction sets ever since like v4 |
| 21:13.25 | dmj726 | I do not want to delete everything, just get pr1.2 |
| 21:13.26 | marex | joga, and those two can interwork |
| 21:13.30 | Shapeshifter | spinningcompass: :P |
| 21:13.51 | slonopotamus | dougt_: thumb is supported by cpu. it has nothing to do with firmware |
| 21:14.02 | joga | marex, oh, ok, I don't know the arm architecture all that well |
| 21:14.28 | Aranel | slonopotamus: now I got 53.8 but It says I should use NSU. Do you know why? |
| 21:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | see /topic |
| 21:16.40 | GAN900 | Aranel, that warning is because it has conflicting packages that it doesn't know how to deal with. |
| 21:16.48 | GAN900 | Aranel, so check with apt. |
| 21:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#How_to_find_out_about_conflicting_packages.3F |
| 21:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | RTFW |
| 21:18.24 | Aranel | already. thanks for the link :) |
| 21:18.33 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lol |
| 21:18.47 | dmj726 | where are the firmware images |
| 21:19.00 | joga | btw, do you guys have weird behavior when entering tilde? like you need to press it twice |
| 21:19.22 | joga | the other keys like [ need only one click (haven't tried them all) |
| 21:19.30 | lcuk | Aranel, im just finishing PR2.0 |
| 21:19.32 | joga | oh and this is a finnish layout |
| 21:19.36 | Shapeshifter | joga: that's not weird, that's normal |
| 21:19.49 | joga | oh, I see |
| 21:19.54 | Shapeshifter | joga: it's a deadkey for õñã etc. |
| 21:19.57 | joga | so you can ã? |
| 21:19.58 | joga | yup |
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| 21:20.08 | Aranel | lcuk: lol, but I have the enough space now. This isnt fair. :P |
| 21:20.18 | Shapeshifter | joga: same with ^ |
| 21:20.19 | lcuk | i tried to tell you |
| 21:20.32 | lcuk | all the faffing and removing and mucking around isnt good for anything |
| 21:20.43 | Shapeshifter | is thinking about writing a better mail client |
| 21:20.56 | lcuk | if you are spending hours trying to find the space requirement you are easier backing up and cleanly flashing and restoring |
| 21:21.01 | marex | slonopotamus, careful, you need userland that supports interworking ! |
| 21:21.24 | lcuk | Aranel, what happens if you try using command line and apt-get to perform the update |
| 21:21.36 | lcuk | does that actually tell you why its not possible (cant remember) |
| 21:22.59 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: pine |
| 21:23.12 | Aranel | lcuk: now I tried, it says "need to get 121MB of archives. After this operation, 21.1MB of additional disk space will be used. E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives" |
| 21:23.18 | TheFaioli | newbie question: to start writing an application for maemo, is it best to use the GNU build system or the Qt Creator? |
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| 21:23.55 | lcuk | doh yeah i forgot about that, ham uses a different place for it atm, ok nm |
| 21:24.08 | Aranel | lcuk: so now what, 53M is not enough for it? It wants more? |
| 21:24.10 | lcuk | TheFaioli, it depends on what you want to achieve |
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| 21:24.31 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: huh. pine is very old |
| 21:24.32 | lcuk | Aranel, it is conflicted did you read the message and page docs linked |
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| 21:25.03 | dmj726 | what url is the nokia pr1.2 update located at |
| 21:25.23 | Aranel | lcuk: yes I did and it was noted under "Not Enough Free Space" with a link to "free up rootfs space" |
| 21:25.34 | Shapeshifter | dmj726: www.google.com |
| 21:25.35 | TomaszD | dmj726, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 21:25.37 | Shapeshifter | dmj726: or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 21:25.40 | Dr_Cain | how much rootfs do you need? |
| 21:25.44 | Dr_Cain | I have 42 MB now, is that enough? |
| 21:25.49 | TheFaioli | lcuk: I am not sure I follow. What is the advantage of one over the other? Let's say I want to write a client to sync my contacts a web service. |
| 21:25.54 | chadi | !seen noobmonk3y |
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| 21:26.40 | lcuk | TheFaioli, well if its a gui app its recommended you use qt to start. but you will have to check if you have all the qt classes to access what you need |
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| 21:26.50 | DrGrov | Hi guys and girls |
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| 21:28.10 | TheFaioli | lcuk: So as a rule, Qt is better for GUI (and beginners?) and GNU is better for c dev like libs and such? (very rough rule of thumb) |
| 21:28.32 | dmj726 | the emmc image is gereally unnecesay right? |
| 21:28.43 | Arkenoi | qt sucks today |
| 21:28.45 | TomaszD | it is essential for PR1.2 dmj726 |
| 21:28.52 | simoneb_ | seems like updating to 1.2 broke something on my n900... it boots, but every letter is displayed as a small square, it lacks some themes, etc |
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| 21:29.03 | dmj726 | ah |
| 21:29.04 | Arkenoi | if it takes 3-5 seconds for application to launch it is showstopper |
| 21:29.10 | Dr_Cain | apt-get clean freed up some rootfs space |
| 21:29.15 | lcuk | TheFaioli, comparing Qt to GNU is not the same |
| 21:29.20 | Arkenoi | i hoped pr1.2 will change that as qt was expected to be preloaded |
| 21:29.22 | Dr_Cain | stupid partition design from the beginning tbh |
| 21:29.23 | Arkenoi | but no |
| 21:29.29 | lcuk | people normally do qt vs gtk+gobject |
| 21:29.49 | TomaszD | dmj726, basically, if you follow instructions it's going to be OK, if you don't you'll end up in deep shit and you subsequently write a thread about how nokia sucks |
| 21:29.50 | lcuk | GNU build system stuff can be used for qt or gtk or many other things |
| 21:29.54 | TheFaioli | lcuk: Because both are UI... gotcha. |
| 21:29.57 | DrGrov | simoneb_: any problems while upgrading to PR 1.2? How did you upgrade? Flashing or OTA? |
| 21:30.04 | lcuk | yup TheFaioli |
| 21:30.11 | Arkenoi | something is wrong with media tracker, i do not see any files in player |
| 21:30.13 | strcpy | Hi everybody. I`m downloading firmware update 1.2 . has anybody checked if this update resolve previous depencency hell mainly caused by Qt ? |
| 21:30.15 | Arkenoi | after update |
| 21:30.18 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: no, no problems, i just attached it to the wire and let it go... OTA |
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| 21:30.24 | lcuk | so anyway, qt has a lower barrier of entry for new developers if everything flows smoothly |
| 21:30.31 | Dr_Cain | strcpy: you updating via the app manager ? |
| 21:30.39 | TheFaioli | lcuk: So I can basically use them interchangeably if I develop for Qt.... |
| 21:30.42 | Dr_Cain | or apt? |
| 21:30.42 | DrGrov | simoneb_: attach it to the wire? OTA doesn't require any wire as fair as I know... |
| 21:30.48 | DrGrov | simoneb_: but yes, OTA it is. |
| 21:30.51 | lcuk | ? use what interchangably? |
| 21:31.01 | strcpy | no. through nokia-software-update (forgot to mention N900) |
| 21:31.01 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: yea, i mean the battery charger |
| 21:31.19 | Dr_Cain | damnit, it really wants to use the damn nokia updater :| |
| 21:31.22 | Dr_Cain | I want to flash OTA! |
| 21:31.32 | DrGrov | simoneb_: the bootup is going smooth? |
| 21:31.32 | spinningcompass | I've created a Bluetooth PAN & now I can interact with the Nokia N810's screen via VNC on my Mac. Is there a way to run a program on the Nokia 810 *from the Mac*, feed the program from the Mac to the Nokia, and then watch the result on the Mac's screen? |
| 21:31.39 | dmj726 | so I can't update to pr 1.2 without killing my home? |
| 21:31.48 | GAN900 | dmj726, huh? |
| 21:31.49 | TheFaioli | lcuk: I can use Qt Creator but basically the source can be compiled either way (suppose I send it to someone who does not use Qt Creator). |
| 21:32.04 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: it boots, (the intro video is not showing up but oh well ...) then in the desktop i can't see many things, i see letters as squares, etc |
| 21:32.10 | strcpy | Dr_Cain, I did just bricked my n900, it was due to updating to latest kernel-power dev release, I believe. and found it a good chance to upgrade to 1.2 too :) |
| 21:32.20 | dmj726 | isn't the emmc image for the 32 gb? |
| 21:32.21 | Dr_Cain | oops :D |
| 21:32.26 | TomaszD | dmj726, that seems to be the case, so back up and move the back up off the phone |
| 21:32.28 | Dr_Cain | yeah bad idea X) |
| 21:32.41 | jjmarin | what the hell is this: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `maemo-optify-runonce' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 21:32.41 | Dr_Cain | though you can get it back with the flasher , right? |
| 21:32.59 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: for example i had some bookmarks on that desktop which i don't see... i see the foreca widget's outline, its icons (sun, clouds...) but not much else |
| 21:33.02 | DrGrov | simoneb_: i put a PM for you. |
| 21:33.07 | dmj726 | this is painful compared to ubuntu |
| 21:33.13 | TheFaioli | Thanks! |
| 21:33.17 | Arkenoi | no videos/no music/no photos |
| 21:33.18 | strcpy | Dr_Cain, I already reflashed it to latest maemo .bin , to be able to use nokia-soft-up and just noticed 1.2 release :) |
| 21:33.31 | TomaszD | dmj726, no, flashing is not the preferred option, you are supposed to update OTA |
| 21:33.36 | DrGrov | simoneb_: sound like you have some serious issues with the installation of the firmware |
| 21:33.40 | Arkenoi | what can be the reason? |
| 21:33.44 | Arkenoi | reboot does not help |
| 21:33.45 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: thank you... a pm to who? |
| 21:33.46 | strcpy | just be warned about trying kernel-power dev releases. in my case it leaded to constant reboots |
| 21:33.51 | DrGrov | simoneb_: it didn't go as planned it seems |
| 21:33.55 | dmj726 | OTA refuses to work |
| 21:34.04 | dmj726 | I've spent 4 hours trying that |
| 21:34.11 | DrGrov | simoneb_: i wrote you a private message, but nevermind. we talk here, perhaps someone else can help out as well. |
| 21:34.25 | TomaszD | so flash both FIASCO and eMMC dmj726, but first move your backup off the phone |
| 21:34.31 | TomaszD | you'll lose everything if you don't |
| 21:34.54 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: oh, ok. anyway i don't mean the nokia logo, i can't see the small clip after that, the hands (which i changed into something else) |
| 21:34.56 | dmj726 | yeah...I copied off my MyDocs...took half an hour just to copy that |
| 21:34.57 | DrGrov | simoneb_: when you updated you waited long enough to see the initial big lettered NOKIA screen with a progress bar? |
| 21:35.03 | TomaszD | and don't reboot between FIASCO and eMMC flash |
| 21:35.04 | ruskie | Purging configuration files for nokiamaps-navigation-provider ... |
| 21:35.04 | ruskie | rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty' |
| 21:35.08 | ruskie | so nicely broken |
| 21:35.11 | DrGrov | simoneb_: ah okay, you changed it. |
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| 21:35.37 | DrGrov | simoneb_: did you do a backup before you upgraded? |
| 21:36.07 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: uhm, i think i waited too much because i didn't see the progress bar. i left the mobile on the table and came back after an hour or so. |
| 21:36.12 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: yes i did |
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| 21:36.56 | DrGrov | simoneb_: you should have seen a blue lettered "NOKIA" appearing after the installation which had a progress bar. Did you see whether the phone told you that the software has been updated? |
| 21:36.59 | Arkenoi | is there a way to force tracker to rescan manually? |
| 21:37.08 | TomaszD | yes |
| 21:37.09 | pupnik_ | dunn |
| 21:37.17 | DrGrov | simoneb_: is there any way you can try to restore your latest backup? |
| 21:37.22 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: ssh? |
| 21:37.44 | DrGrov | simoneb_: can you access any menus at all? |
| 21:37.56 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: i can, but i can't read anything |
| 21:38.09 | TomaszD | Arkenoi, tracker-processes -r |
| 21:38.10 | DrGrov | simoneb_: ok, that makes it a bit hard yes. |
| 21:38.11 | TomaszD | as a normal user |
| 21:38.29 | DrGrov | anyone know how to help simoneb_ with his firmware problem? :) kindly appreciated I think. |
| 21:38.30 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: i remember i did a apt-get autoremove which removed libguile... is that bad? |
| 21:38.37 | DrGrov | I have run out of ideas |
| 21:38.44 | simoneb_ | yea very kindly appreciated, i confirm that |
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| 21:39.10 | DrGrov | simoneb_: no idea actually, i don't use apt-get autoremove at all since it might cause serious problems. not sure about libguile though if it is connected to your current problem. |
| 21:39.19 | anonuk | is so close to a working maemo, yet so far :( |
| 21:39.39 | spinningcompass | Is there a way to run NFS over a Bluetooth PAN between a Nokia N810 and a Macbook? |
| 21:39.56 | simoneb_ | is there any way to restore a backup via ssh? |
| 21:39.56 | jjmarin | Anyone has success with apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade |
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| 21:40.21 | jjmarin | for PR1.2 upgrade |
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| 21:40.30 | josephnexus | is there a way to have the calendar have a recurring event every 2nd and 4th friday of the month? |
| 21:40.41 | obcecado | hi, how can i make a video call thru skype ? |
| 21:40.55 | obcecado | i cant seem to find any menus |
| 21:41.00 | obcecado | pr 1.2 |
| 21:41.07 | josephnexus | obcecado you make the call |
| 21:41.12 | josephnexus | and then after they answer |
| 21:41.24 | josephnexus | there is a button that appears to enable video |
| 21:41.34 | TomaszD | not really, there is an option to video call directly as well |
| 21:42.14 | obcecado | where ? |
| 21:42.21 | Aranel | *yay! yay! It's downloading the update! teeworlds was the conflicting package. thanks to lcuk, slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer and other guys who helped me =) |
| 21:42.38 | TomaszD | well, in the call menu |
| 21:42.48 | Arkenoi | did not help |
| 21:42.55 | Arkenoi | any other troubleshooting ideas? |
| 21:43.03 | TomaszD | troubleshooting for what |
| 21:43.12 | obcecado | i really cant find it |
| 21:43.21 | obcecado | im doing a call now, and i cant find the icon |
| 21:43.32 | Arkenoi | TomaszD, no media files are indexed |
| 21:43.57 | TomaszD | obcecado, open the keyboard to enter landscape mode |
| 21:43.58 | dmj726 | why is the fiasco image 19 and the emmc 13? |
| 21:44.12 | TomaszD | dmj726, it doesn't matter, it's OK |
| 21:44.25 | TomaszD | Arkenoi, what is your situation, fresh flash? |
| 21:44.35 | Arkenoi | TomaszD, yep |
| 21:44.44 | TomaszD | emmc too? |
| 21:44.47 | obcecado | TomaszD: same options |
| 21:44.50 | lcuk | Aranel, sure no problem, btw, pr4.7 was released :P |
| 21:44.55 | Arkenoi | no, just fiasco image |
| 21:45.00 | simoneb_ | DrGrov: i think i got it ... my /opt has not been mounted. how could it be? |
| 21:45.06 | TomaszD | obcecado, update the desktop client |
| 21:45.09 | jjmarin | PR1.2 is a shit !!!! |
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| 21:45.20 | Aranel | lcuk: damn.. I was freeing up some space for PR1.3.. I'll never get it done before pr7.0 :( |
| 21:45.26 | TomaszD | Arkenoi, see, that's where you failed :) |
| 21:45.29 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:45.43 | thresh | yeah flash emmc and lose all your data |
| 21:45.45 | lcuk | well done anyway :) as much as i moaned you persevered |
| 21:45.49 | thresh | nice choice :S |
| 21:46.04 | TomaszD | lose data? maybe back your data up and move it off the phone |
| 21:46.10 | TomaszD | it's easy... |
| 21:46.16 | thresh | not really |
| 21:46.20 | SpeedEvil | Always back up. |
| 21:46.32 | SpeedEvil | You can't easily drop your server down the toilet. |
| 21:46.33 | thresh | my nokla has more space than my every computer |
| 21:46.40 | TomaszD | yes it is. You use the backup app, then move the backup folder to your desktop |
| 21:46.47 | TomaszD | move your pics and videos too |
| 21:46.53 | josephnexus | SpeedEvil: is that a challange? |
| 21:47.00 | thresh | backup app didnt back up all my music ;) |
| 21:47.06 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: yes. |
| 21:47.11 | SpeedEvil | josephnexus: pics plz. |
| 21:47.18 | lcuk | in soviet russia, toilet drops on server |
| 21:47.21 | simoneb_ | can anybody please tell me how the "/opt" line in /etc/fstab should look like? |
| 21:47.24 | TomaszD | thresh, sure but where did it say that it would |
| 21:47.29 | josephnexus | lcuk, pics or it didn't happen |
| 21:47.32 | josephnexus | :-P |
| 21:47.32 | Arkenoi | and volume buttons do not work in video player anymore |
| 21:47.47 | dmj726 | why would I want the emmc image? |
| 21:47.49 | thresh | TomaszD: sure. still a FAIL to update. |
| 21:47.52 | lcuk | josephnexus, theres stories on dailywtf about server rooms inside toilets |
| 21:47.54 | lcuk | and floods |
| 21:47.55 | lcuk | so, sure |
| 21:48.04 | dmj726 | ...my phone just booted fine after flashing the other one |
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| 21:48.07 | TomaszD | Arkenoi, don't waste your time, backup, move backup and data, flash FIASCO, flash eMMC |
| 21:48.09 | dmj726 | Am I missing something? |
| 21:48.12 | lcuk | simoneb_, how do you know /opt isnt mounted |
| 21:48.19 | lcuk | have oyu got far enough to get a ssh session? |
| 21:48.26 | simoneb_ | lcuk: "find /opt" yields almost nothing |
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| 21:48.44 | lcuk | how are you typing "find /opt" |
| 21:48.52 | lcuk | on device itself? |
| 21:48.52 | simoneb_ | lcuk: make that "-type f", and it's really nothing |
| 21:48.58 | TomaszD | dmj726, yes, you are not supposed to reboot the phone after flashing fiasco (-R flag) |
| 21:48.59 | simoneb_ | yes, via ssh, as root |
| 21:49.01 | lcuk | or ssh session? |
| 21:49.07 | Arkenoi | TomaszD, do you imagine what it takes to do on a phone heavy loaded with stuff? it probably takes several hours of my time and i probably forget something |
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| 21:49.15 | TomaszD | dmj726, re-flash without the flag, then flash emmc with the -R flag |
| 21:49.15 | lcuk | is the device functioning? ie booted visibly ok? |
| 21:49.34 | Arkenoi | zillion application settings etc |
| 21:49.39 | TomaszD | Arkenoi, no right to complain if something fails if you can't take the time |
| 21:49.53 | simoneb_ | lcuk: no, it isn't working well, it boots, i see the nokia logo, i don't see the welcoming video, i get to home screen but don't see letters (i see them as squares), etc. |
| 21:49.55 | Arkenoi | it should not fail, should it? |
| 21:50.24 | lcuk | :( simoneb_ sure, that does sound like /opt corruption |
| 21:50.25 | Arkenoi | the phone is not supposed to behave such way or to require *hours* to be spent on fixing things that should not break |
| 21:50.28 | TomaszD | ...if you flash fiasco without the -R flag, then eMMC with the -R flag it will work fine |
| 21:50.39 | simoneb_ | lcuk: well as a start i could try to mount it by hand |
| 21:50.51 | TomaszD | Arkenoi, I'm just trying to help you |
| 21:50.58 | Arkenoi | :-) |
| 21:51.00 | TomaszD | if you don't want to be helped then fine |
| 21:51.00 | lcuk | since you have booted, could you pastebin the log of .... to me please |
| 21:51.02 | lcuk | just finding file |
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| 21:52.03 | lcuk | simoneb_, just mounting it may not do you much good, im just finidng the log filename now - unforuntately if its run over what i think it has but then something has gone wrong you will need to flash most likely |
| 21:52.18 | lcuk | first/ ceck /home/opt |
| 21:52.26 | lcuk | check |
| 21:52.26 | lcuk | does it have contents |
| 21:52.35 | simoneb_ | uhm, yes, /home/opt has stuff in it |
| 21:52.45 | Dr_Cain | oh hey, nokia software updater started working, just after I downloaded the image manually from tablets-dev >_> |
| 21:52.56 | Dr_Cain | downloads again |
| 21:53.05 | lcuk | can you pastebin a recursive ls (private if you like) |
| 21:53.57 | lcuk | and the contents of /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log as well please |
| 21:54.23 | dmj726 | why must the battery be fully charged to flash the mmc? |
| 21:54.48 | Dr_Cain | because it will be running off battery power during flashing |
| 21:54.50 | TomaszD | that's a dumb question, it's failsafe for dumb users |
| 21:54.55 | dmj726 | ...oh |
| 21:55.13 | Dr_Cain | needs to be atleast 50% |
| 21:55.18 | lcuk | and simoneb_ one more thing, does /var/lib/maemo-optify-firstboot-do-not-clean-home-opt exist |
| 21:55.19 | dmj726 | Okay, I wanted to make sure it wasn't something to do with calibrating the battery software |
| 21:55.47 | simoneb_ | lcuk: exists, at 0 bytes |
| 21:56.13 | lcuk | ok ta |
| 21:56.28 | pupnik_ | i got no such file |
| 21:56.59 | lcuk | pupnik_, did you update to 1.2? |
| 21:57.07 | pupnik_ | yeah upgraded |
| 21:57.11 | pupnik_ | no reboot yet |
| 21:57.26 | lcuk | sideways |
| 21:57.29 | pupnik_ | ham didnt have an upgrade |
| 21:57.30 | lcuk | how did you not reboot? |
| 21:57.37 | Dr_Cain | ah there we go, updated |
| 21:57.44 | pupnik_ | dunno |
| 21:58.10 | lcuk | ham closes most things so you cannot continue ? |
| 21:58.11 | pupnik_ | kept running out of space and restarting |
| 21:58.47 | pupnik_ | there was and is no pr1.2 upgrade visible in ham today |
| 21:59.06 | pupnik_ | but the packages are there |
| 21:59.38 | pupnik_ | so apt-get upgrade installs them |
| 22:00.29 | Ikarus | pupnik_: not recommended though |
| 22:00.48 | GAN900 | pupnik_, did you nuke the metapackage or something? |
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| 22:02.16 | pupnik_ | i never found out the metapackage - what is it called |
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| 22:03.52 | lcuk | not recommended at all infact |
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| 22:05.17 | pupnik_ | there was no OTA in ham for me. probably took the spooks too long to trojan |
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| 22:07.22 | arachnist | i've got 1.2 |
| 22:07.25 | jjmarin | Pls Help: My N900 reboots trying upgrade PR1.2 with "apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade". This is the message I've got before rebooting: Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y | Selecting previously deselected package maemo-optify-runonce. | (Reading database ... 22923 files and directories currently installed.) | Unpacking maemo-optify-runonce (from .../maemo-optify-runonce_0.10-32+0m5_all.deb) ... | dokil |
| 22:07.27 | arachnist | via ham |
| 22:08.21 | jjmarin | I use "apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade" from http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Listing_rootfs_space_on_your_device |
| 22:09.15 | jjmarin | jjmarin: any idea. I'm trying to upgrade the hole day. Using the UI I've got "operation failed" |
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| 22:12.54 | PhonicUK | £$ |
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| 22:13.53 | bobbyd | hi |
| 22:14.25 | bobbyd | I just flashed my n900 to PR 1.2 UK clean and I now I can't work out how to get the calendar widget back |
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| 22:14.35 | bobbyd | a, maybe Ive got to download it :) |
| 22:15.04 | arachnist | barisione: did you make a backup before reflashing the device? |
| 22:15.18 | arachnist | barisione: was it a full backup? |
| 22:15.36 | bobbyd | arachnist: if you're talking to me, yes I did |
| 22:15.44 | arachnist | whoops |
| 22:15.50 | b-man | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/british-scientist-becomes-first-human-infected-with-a-computer/ hehehe |
| 22:15.53 | bobbyd | I know it stores all installed apps, but I wanted to start clean |
| 22:16.08 | arachnist | bobbyd: well, there should be an option in the backup app to restore the applications |
| 22:16.30 | bobbyd | (apart from contacts) I've installed a crazy amount of stuff on this |
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| 22:17.47 | bobbyd | I'll have a look through the list anyway |
| 22:17.52 | bobbyd | thanks for reminding me |
| 22:19.04 | bleeter | grrr, OTA won't work (insufficient space) and NSU keeps throwing a wobbly :/ lol |
| 22:19.37 | hardaker | bleeter: how much did it tell you that it needed total? |
| 22:19.42 | javispedro | the new tmo -- you cannot even point users to bugzilla because they go there and write "MORONS!!!" |
| 22:19.52 | hardaker | (I didn't even try; I flashed as I knew it wouldn't ever have enough since 1.1.1 needed 90M and I had about 10) |
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| 22:20.38 | jjmarin | For reference: my problem was related with the package maemo-optify-runonce and I resolved with rm -rf /opt/* . Now it is installing :) |
| 22:21.21 | javispedro | wonders what are you doing |
| 22:21.47 | javispedro | if you just did that, well, backup and reflash, because all your apps are gone. |
| 22:21.57 | bobbyd | nope, can't find it anywhere |
| 22:22.09 | bobbyd | is it part of the default install for you guys, under widgets on the desktop? |
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| 22:23.39 | javispedro | b-man: quite a smart guy. now start the countdown to him selling a firewall/antivirus system for an embedded OS whose in the wild virus count is 0 :) |
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| 22:27.39 | Arkenoi | how do i change volume keys function? now they are tied to zoom function |
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| 22:27.49 | shinkamui | yay |
| 22:27.52 | Arkenoi | so i cannot change volume at all |
| 22:28.01 | shinkamui | looks likke my break in opengles was due to having a half installed pr1.2 upgrade |
| 22:28.38 | javispedro | Arkenoi: which application? |
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| 22:28.53 | Arkenoi | all of them |
| 22:29.05 | shinkamui | javispedro, thanks for the poke there |
| 22:29.09 | ioan | hi. any idea where the proxy settings for each connection are kept? |
| 22:29.12 | Arkenoi | if i press volume buttons in media player just nothing happens |
| 22:29.13 | shinkamui | I didn't think to make sure my packages were up to date |
| 22:29.19 | Arkenoi | for terminal i get font size change |
| 22:29.21 | shinkamui | just assumed the update worked |
| 22:29.46 | javispedro | shinkamui: actually, I wanted you to update package listings, if app mgr left you with a broken system then complain about it |
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| 22:29.56 | javispedro | (but not on that bug report ofc :P ) |
| 22:30.02 | shinkamui | :-D |
| 22:30.26 | javispedro | Arkenoi: and on the desktop? |
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| 22:31.28 | hawai`i | Okay who wants to solve my new problem? |
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| 22:31.53 | hawai`i | Halted on boot at Nokia logo, R&D mod does not force continuation. |
| 22:32.30 | Arkenoi | on the desktop no effect as well |
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| 22:33.06 | javispedro | Arkenoi: reboot |
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| 22:33.40 | javispedro | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/26/2050256/Video-Gamers-Have-Power-Over-Their-Dreams oh, I'd wish. |
| 22:36.04 | Arkenoi | javispedro, no effect |
| 22:37.07 | hawai`i | Nobody feels like diagnosing this with me? |
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| 22:43.52 | Arkenoi | well, if *THIS* thing was delayed to clean up bugs.. |
| 22:45.12 | hawai`i | Why the fuck doesn't it boot when R&D mode is enabled? |
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| 22:46.25 | Ikarus[N900] | hmmm, video jabber calls aren't allowed ? or is it actually checking if the other end supports it ? |
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| 22:47.40 | Robot101 | Ikarus[N900]: it checks that the other end supports it, yeah |
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| 22:53.32 | javispedro | Robot101: btw, do you know if I could potentially call another resource of my own Jabber ID with the Maemo client? (off the top of your head, don't look it up, just an experiment I want to do) |
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| 22:54.40 | Robot101 | javispedro: it's hardcoded out in telepathy at the moment, not for any very good reason but nobody really thought it through yet |
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| 22:55.06 | javispedro | ah, nevermind then :) |
| 22:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: o/ |
| 22:55.59 | Robot101 | evening |
| 22:56.26 | bleeter | hardaker: it didn't |
| 22:56.39 | hardaker | ah |
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| 22:58.55 | opdf2 | anyone else holding out on 1.2? |
| 22:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew 1.2 |
| 23:00.25 | javispedro | ah... final user vs bugzilla interaction guys are going to have quite a lot of work |
| 23:00.26 | anonuk | fixed the hildon theme by copying /usr/share/themers/Default to /usr/share/themes/default! 90 back to working again :) |
| 23:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | waits for 1.2.1 :-P |
| 23:01.49 | Ikarus[N900] | hrm search in app installer is missing in 1.2 ? |
| 23:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | type searkstring |
| 23:02.13 | wolf^ | Ikarus, select "all categories" and type to match |
| 23:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | s/k/ch |
| 23:02.24 | javispedro | removing the menu item wasn't a good idea. |
| 23:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | not at all |
| 23:02.41 | Ikarus[N900] | wolf^: not working |
| 23:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | incredibly obscure |
| 23:02.53 | Ikarus[N900] | 9h just slow |
| 23:03.00 | javispedro | also I have to check if they still search into descriptions |
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| 23:03.15 | javispedro | because it seemed too fast to be searching in descriptions |
| 23:03.15 | Ikarus[N900] | also only package name not description it seems... |
| 23:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | and you can't select anymore descr/name |
| 23:03.39 | javispedro | bad, bad idea. |
| 23:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: now that would be a bummer! :-(( |
| 23:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yeah, but now it meets the gui design rules :-P |
| 23:04.57 | javispedro | dunno -- seems like non-discoverable to me. |
| 23:05.15 | Ikarus[N900] | dockane: while all other annoying 30 page scroll lists still lack search on type |
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| 23:05.45 | zaheerm | like email :) |
| 23:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: "type anywhere to search/match" paradigma |
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| 23:05.57 | javispedro | see Ikarus point :) |
| 23:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | aah EHIGHLIGHT |
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| 23:06.46 | Ikarus[N900] | yeah ENOTAB :P |
| 23:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | ETRYAGAIN |
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| 23:07.53 | javispedro | ERETRY |
| 23:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 23:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 23:08.15 | javispedro | noo |
| 23:08.19 | javispedro | you're right. |
| 23:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:09.07 | Ikarus[N900] | hrm, also anyone know a better app to manage the applications menu, other then catorise I know none |
| 23:09.28 | lcuk | Ikarus[N900], on pr1.2 you can arrange single items |
| 23:09.29 | BCMM | Ikarus[N900]: have you updated to pr1.2 ? |
| 23:09.31 | lcuk | but not the kind of grouping |
| 23:09.40 | BCMM | rearranging is built it, but not subfolders |
| 23:09.41 | lcuk | you can move any item up to where you want it |
| 23:09.45 | BCMM | also, lcuk is faster than me |
| 23:09.47 | lcuk | just tap and hold on an icon |
| 23:09.52 | BCMM | maybe it's daytime in his timezone or something |
| 23:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | Ikarus[N900]: heard 1.2 |
| 23:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | subfolders are a must though. So just another fail for 1.2 |
| 23:11.00 | jatt | does vertical mode work with the latest maemo update |
| 23:11.11 | Ikarus[N900] | rearranging is nice and all but not ideal |
| 23:11.24 | Ikarus[N900] | guess I'll pick apart catorise |
| 23:11.28 | jatt | vertical in the maemo browser? |
| 23:11.39 | BCMM | jatt: portrait mode? |
| 23:12.02 | jatt | yes |
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| 23:12.10 | BCMM | jatt: if you mean portrait mode, it worked before, and in pr1.2 there is a GUI for it |
| 23:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | catorize and relatives all miss a simple way for user to arrange (even on a basis like which folder an app should go to) - and the categories of HAM/whatever are braindamages&useless |
| 23:12.52 | jatt | what is this gui? is there a virtual keyboard for the portrait mode? |
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| 23:14.31 | jjmarin | Finally, PR1.2 bricked my N900. Well done Nokia !!!! |
| 23:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | who needs a kbd for browsing? XP |
| 23:15.05 | anonuk | jjmarin: mine too , but i managed to fix it as there was a boot menu installed |
| 23:15.16 | jatt | e.g. to write search terms in google |
| 23:15.21 | anonuk | jjmarin: did it reboot in the middle of the update? |
| 23:15.40 | jjmarin | anonuk: no |
| 23:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | jatt:just klick the right add ;-P |
| 23:16.01 | mc_teo | hey |
| 23:16.31 | jatt | which is the biggest improvement in the new version? i haven't decided to upgrade yet |
| 23:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | jatt: congrats |
| 23:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 23:17.04 | brik | why not? |
| 23:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | waits for 1.2.1 :-P |
| 23:17.24 | jjmarin | Tomorrow I'll bring it to the local Nokia care point |
| 23:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | 1.2 eats your children and pets |
| 23:17.42 | brik | good I don't have children or pets then |
| 23:18.12 | jatt | I am not sure if it pays off. I was expectimg a virtual kbd in portrait mode :) |
| 23:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | I don't have now, so I don't know how to feed it |
| 23:18.23 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it doesn't eat them, it just lets other people eat them! remember pr1.2 fixes world hunger!! |
| 23:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, how tricky |
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| 23:18.50 | jjmarin | jjmarin: right it restart continouly, it show the keyboard menu no-hildonized and without any letter and the reboots.... :( |
| 23:19.14 | jatt | will be a new version for bugfixes? |
| 23:19.23 | mc_teo | hey |
| 23:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | 2017 |
| 23:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | though probably with usual dely it'll be 2019 |
| 23:19.48 | mc_teo | is there a nice python sound library available for n900 |
| 23:19.50 | BCMM | hmm |
| 23:19.54 | jatt | haha |
| 23:20.00 | javispedro | after all, as I predicted, PR1.2 was released in 2013 |
| 23:20.08 | BCMM | is waiting for the next "get kicked for asking about" version |
| 23:20.20 | javispedro | when is PR1.3 going to be released? |
| 23:20.32 | javispedro | hm. |
| 23:20.49 | jatt | after duke nukem forever is relaunched |
| 23:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | RElaunched |
| 23:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | = v2.0 |
| 23:21.43 | javispedro | either way, you really should upgrade to PR1.2 as we plan to replace all pr1.0 applications from repositories with viruses. |
| 23:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 23:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | hasn't that been accomplished yet? WTF! another delay |
| 23:22.22 | mc_teo | lol |
| 23:22.25 | javispedro | we found it was the best fix for the entire qt4.6experimental debacle |
| 23:22.32 | mc_teo | is there a nice python sound library available for n900 |
| 23:22.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: your help with the exploding battery part of the virus is really appreciated. |
| 23:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 23:23.11 | javispedro | mc_teo: what do you mean for sound library? |
| 23:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | always a joy to contribute in a creative manner |
| 23:23.14 | javispedro | plain sound output? |
| 23:23.18 | javispedro | sound manipulation? |
| 23:23.33 | javispedro | decoding of mp3/aac files? |
| 23:23.34 | mc_teo | sound output mostly |
| 23:23.43 | javispedro | you can use pygame |
| 23:24.01 | jjmarin | Maemo challenge: Build a cool 1.2 wall with N900 bricks !!!! |
| 23:24.41 | mc_teo | is that included with qtdev? javispedro |
| 23:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | did that with Freeruners ;-P |
| 23:24.54 | javispedro | mc_teo: oh, I think not.. :( |
| 23:25.18 | javispedro | mc_teo: are you using pyside/pyqt? I'm sure Qt will have some sane class for sound output. |
| 23:25.38 | mc_teo | i hope so |
| 23:26.14 | mc_teo | does gcc/g++ use much app space? |
| 23:26.44 | mc_teo | or should i stick to cross compiling on scratchbox? |
| 23:26.46 | javispedro | for on-device development? it's much more convenient to use a chroot. |
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| 23:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: ask speedevil / N900evil |
| 23:27.18 | cure` | so eh, people not really liking 1.2 yet or so? |
| 23:27.30 | lcuk | i liek it |
| 23:27.34 | cure` | havent reflashed/upgraded myself yet |
| 23:27.37 | javispedro | likes it too |
| 23:28.04 | javispedro | well, had a battery-dead-in-the-morning problem this morning, but as usual I tend to blame me... |
| 23:28.10 | lcuk | lieks chocolate milk too |
| 23:28.13 | shinkamui | oh lord |
| 23:28.34 | shinkamui | anyone know how to fix the not enough space error in app manager when root has 82% in use, and I have over 90% on opt? |
| 23:28.36 | mc_teo | N900evil: hi |
| 23:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | I *might* *possibly* consider to give it a try, if I could go back to 1.1 |
| 23:28.49 | javispedro | One more reason to love chocolate milk and hate Apple. |
| 23:28.52 | shinkamui | its not a total disaster, can install from the console, but i like to peruse the new apps.. |
| 23:28.56 | xorAxAx | shinkamui: delete random files and pray |
| 23:29.05 | xorAxAx | "russian file roulette" |
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| 23:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | but a one-way ticket to doom isn't that appealing to me yet |
| 23:29.21 | xorAxAx | shinkamui: how many MB do you have available? |
| 23:29.32 | shinkamui | 39.2m on root |
| 23:29.35 | shinkamui | 170 on opt |
| 23:29.46 | xorAxAx | thats a bit too few on root |
| 23:30.07 | xorAxAx | remove a few packages |
| 23:30.07 | shinkamui | dude, pre the upgrade, I was normally around 96% on root |
| 23:30.22 | xorAxAx | ah, you did the upgrade already? |
| 23:30.23 | shinkamui | anyway, I removed nokia maps to free up even that much space |
| 23:30.24 | shinkamui | and no help |
| 23:30.28 | xorAxAx | then i dont know |
| 23:30.29 | shinkamui | xorAxAx, yea, I upgraded |
| 23:30.37 | shinkamui | this is trying to install a 41k app |
| 23:30.41 | xorAxAx | maybe you need to pay the HAM fee on ovi |
| 23:30.43 | shinkamui | its clearly just a problem with app manager |
| 23:31.02 | xorAxAx | "HAM+ 10 EUR" |
| 23:31.07 | shinkamui | WHAT |
| 23:31.15 | opdf2 | how's 1.2 and erminig? This is my most important app |
| 23:31.16 | shinkamui | why do I have to pay ovi to use shit from extras |
| 23:31.34 | shinkamui | those douchers are charging me 15$ for nothing? |
| 23:31.42 | xorAxAx | you get a better HAM! |
| 23:31.45 | grishnav | damnit dammnit damnit! |
| 23:31.54 | shinkamui | I dont get the joke |
| 23:31.54 | grishnav | i forgot to save my upstart script for openvpn before I flashed |
| 23:31.55 | grishnav | funes |
| 23:31.58 | shinkamui | if its a joek |
| 23:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: you're kidding! |
| 23:32.05 | shinkamui | if its legit, Im really confused |
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| 23:32.12 | tg | hm, this upgrade is really slow for me 60% in 3h |
| 23:32.14 | shinkamui | starts seeing stars |
| 23:32.29 | xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer: i am one of those who would also sell the "i'm rich" applications :) |
| 23:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | sure, thought that HAM+ is your idea |
| 23:33.22 | xorAxAx | i should apply for a position at nokia to increase revenue :) |
| 23:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | nah, my idea to send the device in for service by flushing it down the toilet beats your HAM+ with hands tied back |
| 23:34.44 | javispedro | runs to patent office |
| 23:37.00 | Milhouse | Seems like there might be a post PR1.2 release according to bug 6876, which is bloody good news. |
| 23:37.01 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6876 Birthday appears in the day before |
| 23:37.54 | javispedro | Milhouse: oh, do not trust. we never got to see some the update containing some of the late bug fixes for diablo |
| 23:38.11 | javispedro | but more updates are to be expected. |
| 23:38.29 | javispedro | goes get a dyslexic shirt. |
| 23:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | introducing more nice lovely regressions |
| 23:38.51 | pigeon | hmm, weird, for some reasons my extras-devel repo url has become fremantle-1.2 (which doesn't exist) instead of fremantle, is that normal? |
| 23:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | starts to sell "3" patches for all those "fixed in 1.2" shirts out there |
| 23:39.07 | Milhouse | Would be nice if they just hit the annoying, apparently trivial bugs... something for the summer intern to work on. |
| 23:39.09 | javispedro | pigeon: no. |
| 23:39.27 | pigeon | i see there is fremantle-1.2 for extras, but not extras-devel |
| 23:39.47 | javispedro | Milhouse: that one isn't trivial.. |
| 23:40.19 | Milhouse | which one, bug 6876? Showing a birth date on the right day? Righto... ;) |
| 23:40.37 | javispedro | hates date manipulation |
| 23:40.43 | Milhouse | Wouldn't surprise me if the calendar has a cocked up leap year algorithm. |
| 23:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | Milhouse: you're not the first one suspecting this |
| 23:42.13 | Milhouse | BUT, the biggest failing is that this bug, which appears trivial, but even if not it's criminal for a calendar app to contain and not be picked up in testing, was opened in Dec 09... WTF? |
| 23:42.38 | javispedro | ah, time to repeat my story with eduroam |
| 23:42.51 | Milhouse | Makes you wonder how the prioritisation system works at Nokia - a browser that can't browse, SHIP IT!!! |
| 23:42.53 | javispedro | wake me up when the bug is two-three years old. |
| 23:43.00 | javispedro | as that is my personal record :) |
| 23:43.26 | pwnguin | Milhouse: well, they did fix USSD |
| 23:43.28 | pwnguin | which is kinda nice |
| 23:43.29 | Milhouse | was that just it's age, or how long it took to fix - reckon I can best that easy! :) |
| 23:44.14 | Milhouse | pwnguin: yeah, seemed pretty necessary though in for people to use the device... then again showing dates in a calendar? Hmm... /rubs chin |
| 23:44.26 | pwnguin | its just birthdays, no? |
| 23:46.04 | Milhouse | I guess, although I somewhat distrust anything with such a basic failing so would be disinclined to trust Calendar with anything more important. |
| 23:46.38 | pwnguin | its not a failing, its a feature |
| 23:46.47 | pwnguin | they give you 24 hours to find a last minute present |
| 23:47.08 | Milhouse | :) |
| 23:47.14 | javispedro | you TRUST calendar??? |
| 23:47.24 | pwnguin | well |
| 23:47.26 | javispedro | oh god. |
| 23:47.40 | pwnguin | i trust exchange which syncs the calendar |
| 23:47.46 | javispedro | didn't you get the "all appointments shown in the widget are pretty much randomly selected" issue |
| 23:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: fine, they obviously had to reflash the modem fw for that. Seems they introduced a bug this way, which kills the contacts app on certain contact specifics stored on the sim |
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| 23:47.52 | Milhouse | javispedro: yeah I know, what WAS I thinking! :) |
| 23:48.02 | tuliobaars | Hello, people! |
| 23:48.12 | javispedro | I really loved knowing that I would go on holiday on july. Of course I really hated missing my next final exam!! |
| 23:48.29 | Milhouse | javispedro: i did get some that showed up on the right date, but it was a bit random as to when they disappeared. |
| 23:49.09 | Milhouse | javispedro: don't expried tasks now remain on the current day (was that a fix in this release or an outstanding issue?) must admit I've stopped using it because it's, well, sh1t. |
| 23:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | but MAJOR FAIL is: you can not go back to pr1.1 (or has that been fixed?) |
| 23:49.52 | Milhouse | docscrutinizer: think that's because of the radio isn't it? or something like that. probably should be allowed to regress though. |
| 23:49.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no. either way, I can only think of one reason to want to go back: keyboard and/or categorise, and all of them should be easy to overwrite. |
| 23:50.01 | Milhouse | s/regress/revert/g |
| 23:50.08 | javispedro | so make that two reasons :P |
| 23:50.17 | pwnguin | i have to ask: how long ago was USSD introduced? |
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| 23:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | Milhouse: it IS because of modem FW. And it CAN NOT be reverted |
| 23:50.46 | Milhouse | pwnguin: in general or on the n900? about 24 hours ago for the latter, probably since the dawn of GSM for the former. |
| 23:50.46 | pwnguin | they seemed kinda surprised at the thought that people might use it |
| 23:51.19 | javispedro | pwnguin: you surprised? PAP stands for Plain Authentication Protocol. Yep -- the most simple of the protocols. Two years. |
| 23:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | Milhouse: as Nokia decided to integrate a bullshit nto the modem fw not allowing to downgrade |
| 23:51.43 | Milhouse | pwnguin: can't believe they're that stupid, so think that was just a cover for the lack of developent time/resources prior to launch. |
| 23:51.49 | javispedro | so One year for USSD codes which are way more complex is neat. Consider yourself lucky! |
| 23:52.07 | pwnguin | im not sure what PAP is |
| 23:52.23 | pwnguin | or if ive ever used it =/ |
| 23:52.26 | Milhouse | USSD codes have been around a lot longer than 1-2 years, surely |
| 23:52.27 | javispedro | aka the eduroam bug. |
| 23:52.40 | pwnguin | but im pretty sure that encryption is waaaaaaay harder than you're making it sound |
| 23:52.46 | Milhouse | USSD is all for PAYG stuff, right? |
| 23:52.50 | javispedro | encryption? authentication. |
| 23:52.59 | lcuk | barkeep, i'd like a tall glass of your strongest whiskey please. |
| 23:53.09 | lcuk | and leave me the rest of the barrel |
| 23:53.12 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: IIRC it's been found it's possible to reflash the modem IIRC |
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| 23:53.25 | jaska | cask-strength by the pint |
| 23:53.26 | javispedro | gives lcuk some and invites him to the party |
| 23:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | USSD ?? you're kidding? it's part of 1980 GSM specs |
| 23:53.36 | lcuk | javispedro, which party |
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| 23:53.51 | javispedro | the complain party, of course! :) |
| 23:53.57 | pwnguin | Milhouse: USSD is used for more than PAYG. i saw a guy talk about his translation service that ran over USSD |
| 23:54.53 | pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: which is why i wonder, how do you find a modem that doesn't support it? |
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| 23:54.53 | Milhouse | pwnguin: right, just querying it's age - PAYG has been around for many years. |
| 23:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | USSD and its relative are used for controlling services since the beginning of (GSM) times |
| 23:54.55 | Milhouse | Doc: Thought so. |
| 23:55.22 | lcuk | javispedro well its been interesting to see just how different people have made their filesystems since we last updated |
| 23:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: becuase it's a modem and not a phone? |
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| 23:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | who needs call redirect on busy, for a modem? :-o |
| 23:56.05 | pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: i guess that makes some amount of sense |
| 23:56.10 | pwnguin | heh |
| 23:56.12 | Milhouse | Question: Anyone using Google Mail with Nokia Messaging here? |
| 23:56.28 | Milhouse | (on the N900, obviously!) |
| 23:56.41 | pwnguin | Nokia Messaging == telepathy? |
| 23:56.43 | pwnguin | or the email app? |
| 23:56.53 | Milhouse | Emai |
| 23:56.56 | Milhouse | Email |
| 23:57.15 | Milhouse | With Nokia Messaging you get push email from Google |
| 23:57.16 | pwnguin | i was using gmail by way of IMAP but for the last few months its refused to authenticate |
| 23:57.26 | pwnguin | probably in part because i changed my password last month |
| 23:57.36 | Milhouse | Hmmm... just wondering how many spam notifications you are getting on the device? |
| 23:57.44 | pwnguin | none |
| 23:57.46 | Milhouse | or were |
| 23:57.52 | Milhouse | Shit, I get loads |
| 23:58.03 | pwnguin | well |
| 23:58.13 | pwnguin | are you using the exchange like tool? |
| 23:58.27 | javispedro | lcuk: but you know this, the more you keep a system without updating it, the more customized and hard to update it gets :) |
| 23:58.42 | pwnguin | there's an MfE app that lets you set up which folders to care about |
| 23:58.44 | Milhouse | It seems that Nokia Messaging is monitoring "All Mail" rather than Inbox, so when spam arrives and is labeled as SPAM, I still get a new mail notification - and when you go to read it, it's not there (as it's been re-labeled) |
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| 23:59.09 | Milhouse | pwnguin: No, I'm using Nokia Messaging and have configured it with one Google Mail account/IMAP |
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| 23:59.27 | pwnguin | mfe ties into nokia messaging? |
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| 23:59.41 | pwnguin | ie, i have gmail and exchange in the mail app |
| 23:59.41 | Milhouse | pwnguin - maybe, not sure why I need MfE though |
| 23:59.56 | pwnguin | calendar |
