| 00:00.07 | accessdenied5k | http://www.ipmart.com/main/product/APad,China,iPad,,7,0,Inch,Touch,Screen,Tablet,PC,MID,Entertainment,and,Internet,Device,,With,OS,Android,1,5,,,Silver,204092.php?prod=204092 |
| 00:00.47 | Ikarus | accessdenied5k: I'm afraid your on your own with that |
| 00:00.52 | Ikarus | though it might be possible |
| 00:01.19 | Psi | its possible, but you'd need to write lots of code to get it all working |
| 00:01.38 | accessdenied5k | ahhh okay |
| 00:02.22 | MohammadAG | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory any ideas? |
| 00:02.35 | Ikarus | MohammadAG: by default bash isn't installed |
| 00:02.41 | Ikarus | run chroot /bin/sh ? |
| 00:02.43 | Ikarus | err |
| 00:02.44 | MohammadAG | Ikarus, on my PC |
| 00:02.57 | Ikarus | MohammadAG: errr, install bash ? heck, wonder why you lack it |
| 00:03.10 | MohammadAG | umm, bash is installed.. |
| 00:03.24 | Ikarus | MohammadAG: is it installed inside the chroot aswell ? |
| 00:03.26 | MohammadAG | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': No such file or directory |
| 00:03.29 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:03.30 | accessdenied5k | thx for reply bye |
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| 00:03.47 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ ls /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash |
| 00:03.47 | MohammadAG | /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash |
| 00:04.10 | Ikarus | MohammadAG: and how are you running chroot ? |
| 00:04.16 | MohammadAG | chroot? |
| 00:04.28 | MohammadAG | chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash |
| 00:05.47 | Ikarus | and is /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash executable ? |
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| 00:06.00 | MohammadAG | yes, chmod'd it |
| 00:06.34 | Ikarus | MohammadAG: is it mounted as non-exec ? |
| 00:06.50 | MohammadAG | /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/ubuntu type ext3 (rw) |
| 00:07.25 | MohammadAG | uhh |
| 00:07.28 | MohammadAG | root@mohammad-laptop:/mnt/ubuntu# ./bin/bash |
| 00:07.43 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /targets/links/scratchbox.config: No such file or directory |
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| 00:08.24 | Ikarus | # ls -l /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash ? |
| 00:08.44 | MohammadAG | root@mohammad-laptop:/mnt/ubuntu# ls -l ./bin/bash |
| 00:08.44 | MohammadAG | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 617344 2010-01-04 21:09 ./bin/bash |
| 00:09.15 | Ikarus | *blink* |
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| 00:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | echo $PATH |
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| 00:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | oops, no |
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| 00:36.26 | b-man|n900 | just released netbeans for maemo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=674127#post674127 :) |
| 00:41.56 | pigeon | heh |
| 00:42.39 | pigeon | how about eclipse next ;) |
| 00:44.36 | b-man|n900 | i think it would be too large lol |
| 00:45.47 | redeeman | haha |
| 00:45.59 | redeeman | im not sure the N900 is very suited for netbeans though |
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| 00:53.23 | b-man|n900 | true |
| 00:53.48 | b-man|n900 | it was mostly just an experiment :) |
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| 01:06.07 | ptl | it's cool anyway |
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| 01:13.28 | ptl | dancing the dark beat |
| 01:15.00 | pupnik | Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang, when asked if the Atom Z6 processor could be competitive, quickly responded with a "not possible" |
| 01:16.03 | ptl | I'd like to be an interviewer for high-ranked individuals like that |
| 01:16.10 | ptl | I'd get the most embarrassing questions |
| 01:16.28 | ptl | I'd ask Nokia's CEO over and over again about flash for the N900 and PR1.2 and Ovi Store. |
| 01:17.19 | ptl | It would not even be an interview, it would be enthusiastic harassment. |
| 01:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Unless they _have_ to talk to you, that simply won't get you another interview. |
| 01:17.44 | ptl | lol |
| 01:17.46 | ptl | Yes, I know. |
| 01:17.49 | ptl | But let me dream about the possibility, would ya? |
| 01:18.02 | SpeedEvil | I suggest you consider more possible actions. |
| 01:18.10 | SpeedEvil | For example - the supply of rotten eggs. |
| 01:18.18 | SpeedEvil | Or custard pies. |
| 01:18.29 | ptl | No, I was already flamed at tmo for suggesting beating Nokia's management with a huge piece of wood. |
| 01:19.56 | ptl | (these were not the exact words I used, of course |
| 01:19.56 | ptl | ) |
| 01:30.03 | zaheerm-lp | http://zaheer.merali.org/articles/2010/05/24/n900-and-maemo5-playing-vp8webm-live-stream/ |
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| 01:30.29 | zaheerm-lp | android gets webm support in q4, maemo gets it before q2 is over :) |
| 01:31.47 | pupnik | nice zaheerm-lp |
| 01:31.58 | dmj726_devel | sweet! |
| 01:32.12 | pupnik | backdooring nintendo's gamecube http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/654716 |
| 01:32.37 | ptl | lol |
| 01:32.40 | ptl | very cool indeed |
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| 01:37.07 | pupnik | funny |
| 01:44.15 | zaheerm-lp | enough vp8 stuff for me today, time to sleep |
| 01:47.40 | b-man|n900 | just took this picture yesterday with my device :) http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/photos/20100522_001.jpg |
| 01:51.15 | pupnik | b-man|n900: how far was the N900 from the flower? |
| 01:51.49 | pupnik | is amazed at the universe |
| 01:52.20 | SpeedEvil | You can focus sanely down to 7cm |
| 01:54.09 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/ |
| 02:00.57 | microlith | :( copying from sd card to internal memory is so slow |
| 02:01.40 | SpeedEvil | It is? |
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| 02:09.20 | ohwhyme | Does anyone know how to make opera mobile 10 display pages normally? (as in not mobile version) |
| 02:12.17 | SpeedEvil | how normally? |
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| 02:13.13 | adnyxo | elo |
| 02:17.16 | ohwhyme | hey speedevil :p |
| 02:17.24 | ohwhyme | I mean it shows the mobile version of websites |
| 02:17.29 | ohwhyme | not the full webpage like on the desktop |
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| 02:31.29 | b-man|n900 | pupnik: about 1 1/2 inches away |
| 02:34.00 | SpeedEvil | ah\ |
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| 02:38.53 | ohwhyme | :p |
| 02:45.28 | microlith | note to self: don't copy stuff using easydebian |
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| 03:02.00 | Macer | microlith: what happened? |
| 03:02.03 | Macer | :) |
| 03:02.26 | Macer | i didn't have any problems saving to the mydocs dir from openoffice then uploading it somewhere else |
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| 03:04.44 | microlith | well |
| 03:05.06 | microlith | more like a mass copy (1.5GB) using PCFileMan slammed the CPU and took forever to ge 30% |
| 03:05.22 | microlith | whereas the maemo file manager did it in a minute or so |
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| 03:16.33 | ShadowJK | Usually it ends up saturating the emmc with /opt, $HOME and swap activity when you try to do your copy |
| 03:16.45 | ShadowJK | and emmc hates that and you get something like 300kbyte/s |
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| 03:51.13 | undrwater | where did all the n900 ppl go? |
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| 03:56.00 | njsf_ | mee go |
| 03:56.09 | njsf_ | just kidding |
| 03:58.38 | microlith | wishes he had installed easy debian ages ago |
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| 04:06.37 | undrwater | njsf_: is meego a bad word in here? |
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| 04:08.13 | microlith | :( |
| 04:08.21 | microlith | my IME is killng my dictionary |
| 04:09.35 | undrwater | IME? |
| 04:09.48 | microlith | input method editor |
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| 04:13.01 | njsf_ | undrwater: not a bad word, just a roadblock consuming resources. maybe good for future, but stopping current users from getting needed updates from nokia (my opinion) |
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| 04:23.21 | undrwater | microlith: got it! :) like anthy |
| 04:23.42 | undrwater | njsf_: just reading that now... |
| 04:24.39 | undrwater | i hope there are some nice announcements in the next couple of months...i'm in the market for 3g now....but unhappy with the choices |
| 04:25.29 | microlith | undrwater: exactly, I've got it going (when ebview doesn't crash) but I'm not getting any conversion :/ |
| 04:25.38 | microlith | and it won't insert what it does type |
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| 04:26.55 | pigeon | speaking of anthy, does anyone know if there's a mscim-anthy? |
| 04:27.19 | microlith | kimitake has been working on some anthy and mscim packages |
| 04:27.29 | pigeon | ah, cool |
| 04:27.33 | microlith | it works through a virtual keyboard, but I wasn't able to make it work |
| 04:27.39 | pigeon | i was wondering why there's only scim-anthy. |
| 04:29.29 | pigeon | does scim work differently from mscim on the n900? |
| 04:29.36 | microlith | no idea |
| 04:29.42 | microlith | kimitake would know more, I think |
| 04:29.48 | pigeon | ok, thanks. |
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| 04:59.04 | slonopotamus | is gst-dsp compatible with gst-plugins-dsp? |
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| 05:07.25 | izzox | Hey all I'm here to find a help in development of an aplet |
| 05:08.05 | izzox | Anyone arround with enough notions abt applets? |
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| 05:51.39 | FIQ | does maemo seriously not contain less? :( |
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| 05:55.56 | FIQ | what does PR stand for? |
| 05:55.58 | FIQ | product release? |
| 05:55.59 | Stskeeps | public release? |
| 05:55.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:56.01 | FIQ | ah |
| 05:56.03 | FIQ | :p |
| 05:56.21 | Stskeeps | or product release |
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| 05:56.53 | FIQ | hmm... |
| 05:57.24 | FIQ | if PR1.2 is going to actually be released on wednesday, i need to clean up my root.. |
| 05:58.51 | Stskeeps | well, it is geek pride day today |
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| 06:08.14 | mece | /top Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ PR1.2 Should be out today |
| 06:08.43 | Stskeeps | next up is lindsay lohan quitting alcohol |
| 06:08.46 | Stskeeps | .. oh wait |
| 06:09.10 | odin_ | rubs hands |
| 06:09.12 | mece | haaa:D |
| 06:09.19 | mece | topic Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ PR1.2 Should be out today |
| 06:09.22 | mece | grr |
| 06:09.25 | mece | grr |
| 06:09.35 | mece | I'm not an op apparently :P |
| 06:09.55 | mece | anyway @PeterMeego: #PR1.2 FOR #N900 INCOMING. World's first Skype Video Call on the Go! OTA updates now started in UK. http://conversations.nokia.com/ |
| 06:11.24 | FIQ | hmm |
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| 06:11.36 | mece | an official problems with upgrading thread will be needed... |
| 06:11.36 | FIQ | but PR1.2 should have been released tomorrow? |
| 06:11.47 | mece | FIQ, haa! |
| 06:11.56 | FIQ | hm |
| 06:12.07 | FIQ | nice that PR1.2 is incoming anyway |
| 06:12.09 | Surfa | FIQ, you heard this from where? |
| 06:12.26 | FIQ | planet maemo |
| 06:12.32 | FIQ | some sources |
| 06:12.48 | Surfa | remember to breath while waiting |
| 06:12.57 | FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 209.2M 14.5M 93% / |
| 06:13.01 | FIQ | >.> |
| 06:13.05 | Stskeeps | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 06:13.13 | FIQ | must get some cleanup done |
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| 06:14.28 | reggna | Stskeeps: Thanks for sharing. :) |
| 06:15.40 | Trewas | so no meego to n900, at least they managed to announce some bad news along with pr1.2 |
| 06:15.45 | FIQ | aw |
| 06:15.55 | FIQ | doesn't live in UK |
| 06:15.55 | Surfa | Trewas, was it really news? |
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| 06:16.31 | Surfa | I thought that was clear for some time ago that there won't be officially supported meego version :) |
| 06:16.51 | Stskeeps | harmattan's called meego too |
| 06:16.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:17.18 | Trewas | maybe I haven't been following closely enough, but I thought the official stance has been "we don't know yet" until now |
| 06:17.48 | Surfa | "Officially we don't know yet, but it is highly unlikely" was stated at some point |
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| 06:19.47 | Surfa | but well, i think everyone who really want's to have it.. can do so with relatively stable community version |
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| 06:21.33 | Surfa | but let's see how people react on pr1.2.. is it that world saving release that many people have been waiting for ;) |
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| 06:24.22 | tekojo | Morning! |
| 06:24.27 | Stskeeps | morning tekojo |
| 06:26.06 | pupnik | morning! |
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| 06:33.31 | mece | Towelday is a good day to release software :) |
| 06:34.27 | mece | aw for fuck's sake! the images are out for everyone apparently, but I don't have my usb cable. |
| 06:34.34 | tekojo | Have mine here right in my backpack :) |
| 06:34.35 | mece | grr argh! |
| 06:34.56 | mece | impersonates the Mutant Enemy logo |
| 06:35.26 | tekojo | both towel and cable |
| 06:35.31 | mece | wait, my boss has an N900 |
| 06:35.32 | Wolfie | so, it's not an OTA update? |
| 06:35.39 | mece | well it is, but not yet apparently |
| 06:35.40 | LiraNuna | woot woot |
| 06:35.40 | LiraNuna | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 06:35.41 | tekojo | see, anyone with a towel is well equipped :) |
| 06:35.43 | LiraNuna | it's official |
| 06:35.55 | mece | Wanha |
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| 06:35.59 | mece | ;) |
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| 06:37.31 | pupnik | will the video calling work over tcp/ip also |
| 06:38.32 | mece | pupnik, only afact |
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| 06:39.08 | pupnik | afact? |
| 06:39.15 | mece | as far as I can tell. |
| 06:39.33 | mece | yay! A friend to the rescue. He bringeth usb cable! |
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| 06:50.28 | noobmonk3y | prods lcuk |
| 06:50.57 | noobmonk3y | wonders if the title of this room will change? :P |
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| 06:53.29 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
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| 06:54.02 | mece | flashing |
| 06:54.10 | mece | wroooom |
| 06:54.13 | mece | damn that's fast. |
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| 06:55.43 | lejonet | mece: showoff... I couldn't get my N900 to even start flashing lol :P |
| 06:55.48 | mece | haa |
| 06:55.54 | mece | http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing |
| 06:55.59 | mece | it's booting.. |
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| 06:56.33 | lejonet | Yeah, I had the useful help of people here and that homepage and still no dice, somehow my computer refused to react on the flash mode or something |
| 06:57.00 | LiraNuna | so |
| 06:57.03 | LiraNuna | topic should be change |
| 06:57.04 | LiraNuna | d |
| 06:57.19 | mece | I tried. Turns out I'm not an op |
| 06:57.20 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 06:57.25 | LiraNuna | \:D/ |
| 06:57.37 | mece | uuh the hands are back.. |
| 06:57.38 | LiraNuna | kicks Stskeeps to work faster - FASTER |
| 06:57.40 | tekojo | Stskeeps can you change topic? |
| 06:57.51 | LiraNuna | ducks |
| 06:58.07 | *** topic/#maemo by Stskeeps -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 out, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 06:58.16 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 06:58.29 | LiraNuna | \:D/ |
| 06:59.07 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 06:59.16 | noobmonk3y | flashed, but forgot to do the new emmc meh |
| 06:59.25 | lejonet | oh it was released now? Cool... and I wont be able to use it until I get my phone usable overall lol :P |
| 06:59.34 | noobmonk3y | thanks Stskeeps :D |
| 06:59.57 | noobmonk3y | lejonet, whats up with yours? |
| 07:00.01 | Wolfie | so, is this a flash-image only, or does this get to OTA eventually? |
| 07:00.17 | noobmonk3y | wolfie ota uk today |
| 07:00.19 | Stskeeps | it OTA's in increments, ie, it takes some regiions first |
| 07:00.27 | noobmonk3y | and ditto above |
| 07:00.38 | Wolfie | okay, just making sure |
| 07:00.39 | noobmonk3y | but the rest can flash now :P |
| 07:00.47 | mece | just did' it works :) |
| 07:00.58 | noobmonk3y | mis-read Stskeeps - thought he said religions ;) lol |
| 07:01.13 | mece | I think I'll leave out the application list and install them manually.. |
| 07:01.19 | LiraNuna | Atheists will get screwed with no update then? |
| 07:01.20 | noobmonk3y | mece, same here :P |
| 07:01.23 | kimitake | I found PR1.2 image at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php :) |
| 07:01.34 | noobmonk3y | kimitake, and? :D :D |
| 07:01.40 | mece | Wanha :P |
| 07:02.17 | LiraNuna | so.. when does PR1.3 is being released? *ducks* |
| 07:02.28 | Surfa | any day now |
| 07:02.28 | villemv | it's november already? |
| 07:02.33 | pupnik | capacitive screens: good bye clean, precise fingernail taps. hello smudged screen and missed links |
| 07:02.34 | noobmonk3y | LiraNuna, pr1.3 will breed ducks all on it's own i hear ;) |
| 07:02.41 | LiraNuna | leet |
| 07:03.45 | vesa_ | pupnik: hello ui designers needing to think about the click area of buttons/links |
| 07:04.04 | mece | vesa_, what do you mean? |
| 07:04.18 | vesa_ | look at the rss application for example on the n900 |
| 07:04.18 | lejonet | noobmonk3y: I have no clue really, when I got it to boot into flash mode the flasher just said "Suitable device not found, waiting" all of a sudden and the N900 goes into an bootloop, I am guessing that is standard procedure |
| 07:04.35 | vesa_ | it's usable with a fingernail if your hand is stable and you really really concentrate |
| 07:04.40 | noobmonk3y | oooooooo |
| 07:04.41 | noobmonk3y | random! |
| 07:04.50 | vesa_ | but it would be so easy to make usable with your finger |
| 07:05.11 | mece | vesa_, never had any trouble hitting those buttons |
| 07:05.12 | vesa_ | scrollbars. that are 3mm wide. really helpful =P |
| 07:05.27 | mece | vesa_, they are not scrollbars. |
| 07:05.31 | vesa_ | never accidentally resized the left area instead of scrolling? =) |
| 07:05.41 | mece | vesa_, they are indicators of where you are in the scrollable area. |
| 07:06.00 | mece | vesa_, or do you mean gtk scrollbars? |
| 07:06.04 | vesa_ | umm? how do you scroll the left area if not with the scrollbar |
| 07:06.14 | vesa_ | in the rss application for example |
| 07:07.22 | mece | vesa_, by dragging your finger on the stuff that is there. |
| 07:07.44 | vesa_ | you mean 'kinetic' style? |
| 07:07.48 | noobmonk3y | 's fat fingers work fine :P |
| 07:07.49 | vesa_ | they don't move |
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| 07:08.01 | noobmonk3y | ooo has 1.2 fixed kinetic scrolling :| |
| 07:08.03 | vesa_ | grab a feed, pull down, nothing. |
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| 07:08.27 | MiXu- | PR1.2 finally out then? :) |
| 07:08.28 | noobmonk3y | feeds lcuk bacon......... |
| 07:08.28 | frals | so, uk a day ahead of the rest of us this time around eh |
| 07:08.31 | noobmonk3y | MiXu-, yup |
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| 07:08.40 | noobmonk3y | frals, available for all if u flash |
| 07:08.43 | noobmonk3y | mornin :D |
| 07:08.43 | mece | frals, just the ota. |
| 07:08.51 | frals | flashing suuuuucks |
| 07:08.53 | frals | :p |
| 07:08.56 | noobmonk3y | just flashed :( |
| 07:09.01 | noobmonk3y | sulks |
| 07:09.03 | frals | i rather not have to set it all up again |
| 07:09.21 | mece | noobmonk3y, why are you sulking? |
| 07:09.24 | noobmonk3y | thinks it will gimme something to to today... (cough.... erm, shite meeting in 30 mins) |
| 07:09.34 | noobmonk3y | can sulk if he wants too, surely? |
| 07:09.35 | mece | frals, well the backup/restore works very well |
| 07:09.42 | noobmonk3y | asks permission to sulk |
| 07:09.46 | frals | well it clears /opt on reflash |
| 07:09.56 | frals | and im using that as my devfolder |
| 07:10.01 | mece | noobmonk3y, you can just ota that fcker, since you're in uk |
| 07:10.02 | noobmonk3y | frals, lol! |
| 07:10.03 | frals | and i cba to back it up manually and redo it |
| 07:10.06 | hrw | morning |
| 07:10.10 | noobmonk3y | mece, global firmware |
| 07:10.19 | mece | noobmonk3y, doh |
| 07:10.26 | noobmonk3y | actually global leaky firmware ;) |
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| 07:10.40 | noobmonk3y | anyway, restore is doing its thang :D |
| 07:10.43 | mece | well, such is life for the leaky installer |
| 07:10.47 | noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 07:10.53 | noobmonk3y | have to admit, worked fine until last night |
| 07:10.54 | mece | karma I suppose :P |
| 07:10.59 | noobmonk3y | it randomly decided to play music! |
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| 07:11.19 | noobmonk3y | kicks MohammadAG in the balls |
| 07:11.20 | mece | noobmonk3y, the media player widget playing music after call bug? |
| 07:11.25 | mece | LOL |
| 07:11.29 | noobmonk3y | mece, yup |
| 07:11.33 | MohammadAG | umm, is facebook lying or is 1.2 out? |
| 07:11.41 | frals | MohammadAG: topic? :p |
| 07:11.41 | noobmonk3y | first time i ever had a phone call over an hour - musta been that |
| 07:11.41 | MohammadAG | prolly former |
| 07:11.45 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, truth for once :P |
| 07:11.50 | noobmonk3y | has flashed |
| 07:11.56 | joppu | What images do I need to flash in order to wipe everything out? I mean both MyDocs and rootfs. |
| 07:11.57 | MohammadAG | it was canceled? |
| 07:11.59 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 07:12.27 | lejonet | joppu: FIASCO bin and eMMC bin if I have understod it correctly :P |
| 07:12.42 | joppu | Thanks! |
| 07:12.43 | noobmonk3y | joppu vanilla - RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 07:12.43 | MohammadAG | let's try to ssu from my not so leaky 1.2 |
| 07:12.46 | mece | joppu, eMMC, FIASCO then firmware |
| 07:12.50 | noobmonk3y | (Well that was the generic firmware) |
| 07:12.52 | MohammadAG | this'll be a ***** |
| 07:12.57 | MohammadAG | oh and wb noobmonk3y |
| 07:12.58 | mece | righty |
| 07:13.03 | noobmonk3y | waves! |
| 07:13.05 | MohammadAG | ~pr1.2 |
| 07:13.06 | infobot | i guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 07:13.11 | MohammadAG | lies |
| 07:13.14 | Stskeeps | infobot: no, pr1.2 is here |
| 07:13.14 | infobot | Stskeeps: okay |
| 07:13.15 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 07:13.21 | Stskeeps | ~pr1.2 |
| 07:13.22 | infobot | [pr1.2] here |
| 07:13.22 | mece | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 07:13.25 | mece | changelog |
| 07:13.27 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 07:13.31 | noobmonk3y | lol!!!! |
| 07:13.59 | noobmonk3y | Infobot: PR1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 07:13.59 | infobot | noobmonk3y: okay |
| 07:14.19 | talmai | anyone managed to successfully register 3rd party url handler on 1.2 (bug 6263) |
| 07:14.20 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 libhildonmime: 3rd party applications cannot be registered as url handlers |
| 07:14.29 | noobmonk3y | ~PR1.3 |
| 07:14.30 | infobot | somebody said pr1.3 was a ban'able subject now..... |
| 07:14.34 | noobmonk3y | wohooooooooo |
| 07:14.38 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 07:14.49 | MohammadAG | where's the 1.3 thread? |
| 07:14.53 | noobmonk3y | really should go get ready for work |
| 07:14.59 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, its already on the forums :( |
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| 07:15.07 | MohammadAG | 1.4? |
| 07:15.07 | lejonet | mikki-kun: you here too lol? :P |
| 07:15.30 | noobmonk3y | no one has posted about 1.2.1 :P |
| 07:15.30 | MohammadAG | turns on TV |
| 07:15.42 | MohammadAG | sees world hunger and cancer still exist |
| 07:15.44 | mikki-kun | lejonet: yeah, i should be... ^^ |
| 07:15.48 | MohammadAG | files a bug report |
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| 07:15.57 | lejonet | mikki-kun: haha :P |
| 07:16.05 | MohammadAG | they couldn't deliver what was promised! |
| 07:16.25 | lejonet | MohammadAG: You know what I realized, I could be using the wrong FIASCO bin or something, mine is labelled from sometime 2009 |
| 07:16.35 | mikki-kun | lejonet: did i miss something? |
| 07:16.38 | Khertan | Hi all ! |
| 07:16.43 | lejonet | mikki-kun: No idea :P |
| 07:16.54 | mece | cheers Khertan |
| 07:17.09 | mece | too bad Dio had to die for us to get PR1.2... |
| 07:17.10 | MohammadAG | no idea |
| 07:17.16 | MohammadAG | april's joke? |
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| 07:17.21 | MohammadAG | fools* |
| 07:17.23 | frals | noobmonk3y: does fmms autoconfig itself like it should in pr1.2? ;D |
| 07:17.38 | mikki-kun | is pr 1.2 out or why is pr 1.3 now a banable subject? |
| 07:17.40 | MohammadAG | frals, no, it trouts you in the face |
| 07:17.45 | frals | slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:17.46 | Khertan | is slowly backing is n900 data ... 28Gb so slow with usb ! |
| 07:17.52 | Wolfie | ~pr1.3 |
| 07:17.53 | infobot | pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now..... |
| 07:18.08 | lejonet | mikki-kun: Yes, 1.2 is out :P |
| 07:18.10 | MohammadAG | doesn't have the SSU package, you know what that means |
| 07:18.14 | mikki-kun | ohhh Ã.ö |
| 07:18.17 | MohammadAG | right, apt-get upgrade |
| 07:18.18 | lejonet | ~pr1.2 |
| 07:18.18 | infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is here |
| 07:18.18 | mikki-kun | lol? :o |
| 07:18.24 | mikki-kun | \o/ |
| 07:18.26 | Khertan | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 07:18.30 | Khertan | yep |
| 07:18.32 | mikki-kun | that's why i slept so good :D |
| 07:18.36 | joppu | where's the FIASCO image? sorry for asking stupid stuff :/ |
| 07:18.45 | Khertan | there is a new RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 07:18.48 | mece | where Khertan said |
| 07:18.51 | MohammadAG | somewhere in that page |
| 07:19.01 | lejonet | I still wonder why it is called an FIASCO img tho :P |
| 07:19.05 | Khertan | does this mean that there resize the rootfs space ? |
| 07:19.16 | Khertan | fiasco ... in french ... a fail :) |
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| 07:19.25 | Khertan | found that funny :) |
| 07:19.29 | joppu | so first the eMMC image is the fiasco one? |
| 07:19.38 | MohammadAG | umm |
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| 07:19.46 | joppu | wee I can speel |
| 07:19.48 | mece | yay! Qlister installs and works right away. time to promote to extras |
| 07:19.49 | MohammadAG | the eMMC image is to flash the eMMC |
| 07:19.50 | Khertan | first the fiasco img ... then the vanilla emmc |
| 07:19.51 | mece | -testing |
| 07:19.57 | Khertan | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! |
| 07:20.11 | Khertan | MohammadAG, yep ... |
| 07:20.14 | lejonet | Khertan: well, it is a bit odd to have the standard img called FIASCO ;) |
| 07:20.21 | Khertan | lejonet, clear :) |
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| 07:20.28 | MohammadAG | what Khertan said is important for 1.2! |
| 07:20.33 | joppu | but on the tablets-dev there's only the eMMC image and the firmware itself |
| 07:20.53 | noobmonk3y | doesnt it auto boot after a flash? |
| 07:20.56 | Khertan | joppu, the firmware is the fiasco ;) |
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| 07:21.05 | mece | joppu, RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin 262090105 eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 |
| 07:21.07 | Khertan | noobmonk3y, yep it s autoboot :) |
| 07:21.08 | mece | that is fiasco |
| 07:21.18 | mece | err no |
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| 07:21.20 | noobmonk3y | thinks that happens just to make sods law real |
| 07:21.21 | mece | sorry |
| 07:21.24 | Scelt | AT LAST |
| 07:21.32 | joppu | D: seriously the firmware itself it called fiasco? |
| 07:21.35 | Scelt | Two months of waiting |
| 07:21.38 | Khertan | i m currently looking at the flasher optionnal argument |
| 07:21.43 | frals | waits for planet to get flooded with 10 identical "PR1.2 out now" blogposts |
| 07:21.51 | mece | hee |
| 07:21.55 | noobmonk3y | frals, i'll get started on one ;0 |
| 07:22.12 | Khertan | frals, apt-get remove rss, firefox, twitter |
| 07:22.13 | mikki-kun | lol, my n900 didn't find pr1.2 ^^ |
| 07:22.23 | frals | ^^ |
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| 07:22.41 | mece | mikki-kun, ota only in the UK |
| 07:22.41 | Khertan | mikki-kun, did you have installed custom qt4.6 libs ? |
| 07:22.43 | lejonet | mikki-kun: well either you flash your phone or wait for ota :P |
| 07:22.54 | mikki-kun | ota? |
| 07:22.58 | noobmonk3y | over the air |
| 07:23.00 | Khertan | o the air |
| 07:23.05 | MohammadAG | GRRR |
| 07:23.11 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 07:23.12 | mikki-kun | and afaik i didn't install custom qt4.6 libs |
| 07:23.15 | MohammadAG | apt-get upgrade isn't upgrading |
| 07:23.15 | mece | MohammadAG, ARGH |
| 07:23.17 | Khertan | was bursted by noobmonk3y |
| 07:23.24 | noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 07:23.28 | mece | mikki-kun, unrelated. |
| 07:24.00 | Khertan | mece, it could be ... as sdk custom qt4.6 install remove the metapackage mrp0 used for update :) |
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| 07:24.18 | Scelt | ptl: PR1.2 IS OUT :-D |
| 07:24.21 | MohammadAG | surely 1.2 is bigger than... 11 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 07:24.23 | Khertan | mece, but yep ... not here |
| 07:24.31 | wall[e] | congratulationssss |
| 07:24.44 | Khertan | MohammadAG, hum ... maybe they remove everything that didn't pass tests ;) |
| 07:24.56 | mikki-kun | i'll just do it manually |
| 07:24.56 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 07:25.04 | MohammadAG | then it'd say 0 packages |
| 07:25.05 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 07:25.21 | jacekowski | pr1.2? |
| 07:25.24 | wall[e] | does this need reflash? |
| 07:25.25 | jacekowski | srsly? |
| 07:25.30 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, the cake is a lie |
| 07:25.36 | MohammadAG | apparently 1.2 isn't |
| 07:25.36 | Khertan | MohammadAG, :) |
| 07:25.38 | wall[e] | or apt-get disupgrade work? |
| 07:25.47 | MohammadAG | use HAM |
| 07:25.52 | wall[e] | thanks! |
| 07:25.59 | Khertan | 1.2 is on tablet-dev ... but not yet ota |
| 07:26.01 | MohammadAG | oe bacon ;) |
| 07:26.05 | jacekowski | nothing on maemo.org |
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| 07:26.14 | MohammadAG | Khertan, oh |
| 07:26.23 | wall[e] | man i am so happy like a monkey reach the bank of amazon river |
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| 07:26.30 | Khertan | at least ota only for uk for the moment |
| 07:26.44 | MohammadAG | omg? |
| 07:26.49 | wall[e] | Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N90 |
| 07:26.51 | MohammadAG | the uk never got it first? |
| 07:26.53 | MohammadAG | !* |
| 07:26.59 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:27.00 | Scelt | frals: it could be nice if images were in descending timestamp order when adding file to mms. I mainly have to scroll to the bottom since I usually want to send the newest image which I just took |
| 07:27.07 | noobmonk3y | gotta goooooooooooooooooo - ciaoooooooooooo |
| 07:27.19 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals and MohammadAG with a double headed trout! |
| 07:27.26 | Khertan | is still waiting the 28Gb save over usb ... so slow ... |
| 07:27.34 | jacekowski | hmmmmmmm |
| 07:27.37 | jacekowski | no UK version |
| 07:27.40 | mikki-kun | Khertan: hf ^^ |
| 07:27.42 | frals | Scelt: yeah, i have it somewhere on my list but not had time to wrestle with that dialog yet :) |
| 07:27.49 | frals | Scelt: thanks for reminding me :) |
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| 07:28.09 | Scelt | frals: kewl. np. I have found that software very useful when drunk :D |
| 07:28.35 | frals | hehe :D |
| 07:28.45 | Khertan | finally it was faster to backup 28Gb over usb than downloading from tablets-dev.nokia.com the firmware |
| 07:29.15 | jacekowski | well, 28G? |
| 07:29.36 | jacekowski | emmc flashes MyDocs as well? |
| 07:29.44 | jacekowski | i thought it's just /home |
| 07:29.47 | Khertan | not sure |
| 07:29.55 | Khertan | so backup before :) |
| 07:30.07 | Khertan | anyway it s still a good idea to backup |
| 07:30.16 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: if you flash the emmc then you also flash MyDocs afair |
| 07:30.18 | Khertan | as i didn't made any since 3 months |
| 07:30.28 | jacekowski | well, i have copy of all my porn |
| 07:30.38 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:30.38 | mikki-kun | LOL |
| 07:30.38 | jacekowski | and that's only important stuff i've got on a phone |
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| 07:31.00 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: only difference between me and you is that i admit to it |
| 07:31.11 | frals | bah, upgrading means losing 09:34:53 up 22 days, 7:56, load average: 0.62, 0.15, 0.05 :[ |
| 07:31.26 | Khertan | 179Mb for the firmware ... there is a huge difference from previous fw |
| 07:31.29 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: well, i don't have it on my phone =p |
| 07:31.45 | jacekowski | you just don't want to admit to it |
| 07:31.58 | jacekowski | Khertan: well, it might be just different compression |
| 07:32.06 | Khertan | jacekowski, true |
| 07:32.10 | mikki-kun | the goddamn tracker-mechanism will somehow pull that out when i show something to somebody |
| 07:32.22 | Khertan | héhé |
| 07:32.37 | mikki-kun | better be sure... |
| 07:33.05 | jacekowski | btw. where is UK version of firmware? |
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| 07:35.17 | tekojo | jacekowski coming up, it is always slower as it has to be accepted in the UK |
| 07:35.19 | hrw | PR 1.2 is not OTA yet? |
| 07:35.40 | tekojo | hrw should be about now |
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| 07:35.53 | frals | hrw: in the UK only |
| 07:36.03 | frals | hrw: rest of the world tomorrow, according to nokia conversations |
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| 07:36.08 | hrw | tekojo: mp-fremantle-generic-pr is still at 10.2010.12-9 |
| 07:36.24 | tekojo | hrw where? |
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| 07:36.32 | hrw | tekojo: on my phone |
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| 07:36.58 | jacekowski | frals: there is pr1.2 in UK over ota? |
| 07:37.00 | tekojo | hrw afaik that isn't an official build, so you are on your own |
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| 07:37.11 | frals | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 07:37.20 | hrw | tekojo: thats LR1.2 |
| 07:37.33 | tekojo | hrw which means it's your problem :) |
| 07:37.41 | jacekowski | tekojo: it's already on tablets dev |
| 07:38.09 | hrw | tekojo: ;D |
| 07:38.11 | Khertan | yep ... but seems server are a bit overcharged :) download is slow on tablets-dev :) |
| 07:38.18 | tekojo | jacekowski, the uk variant? people here are faster than I think :) |
| 07:38.36 | hrw | tekojo: all variants are there |
| 07:38.46 | tekojo | Khertan it's in Akamai, the server should not see a load |
| 07:38.58 | MohammadAG | calls for a "that's what she said" |
| 07:39.01 | jacekowski | tekojo: no, just global |
| 07:39.10 | Khertan | tekojo, yep ... it s in Akamai ... this is the problem :) |
| 07:39.23 | MohammadAG | haha |
| 07:39.24 | tekojo | jacekowski ok, the UK variant should come in soon |
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| 07:39.36 | MohammadAG | it's out OTA |
| 07:39.52 | LiraNuna | anyone tried the map application on 1.2? |
| 07:39.56 | Khertan | tekojo, akamai is slow with my isp ... don't know why |
| 07:39.58 | tekojo | Khertan depends on your physical location, better in Akamai than somewhere in Central Finland, then you would be screaming |
| 07:40.03 | LiraNuna | I'm wondering what has changed |
| 07:40.13 | hrw | LiraNuna: in lr1.2 it was better then in pr1.1.1 but still not finished |
| 07:40.19 | Khertan | tekojo, not sure :) |
| 07:40.47 | MohammadAG | well i'm not reflashing |
| 07:41.02 | MohammadAG | so i guess it's still 1.1.1.5 for the day |
| 07:41.12 | tekojo | LiraLuna http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 07:41.38 | Khertan | will reflash ... as i install many things from the sdk ... will be too hazardoos ... :) |
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| 07:41.50 | LiraNuna | tekojo, tip: use the tab key to complete people's nicknames |
| 07:41.55 | tekojo | Khertan which isp, can't help right now, but these things are good to know in the future |
| 07:41.59 | MohammadAG | Khertan, not really ;) |
| 07:42.09 | Khertan | tekojo, orange (old france telecom) |
| 07:42.21 | tekojo | LiraNuna: thanks :) |
| 07:42.33 | Khertan | tekojo, but they are against internet neutrality ... |
| 07:42.39 | LiraNuna | just hates to see his nick misspelled |
| 07:42.52 | MohammadAG | so... now that 1.2 is out |
| 07:42.52 | Khertan | tekojo, they already cache youtube and made it slower |
| 07:42.53 | MohammadAG | who thinks it was way too overrated/hyped |
| 07:42.57 | MohammadAG | raises hand |
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| 07:43.33 | Khertan | tekojo, but you can't do anything ... it s isp related i think |
| 07:43.43 | LiraNuna | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=583355&postcount=206 |
| 07:43.45 | joppu | 15 minutes until the backup is complete... |
| 07:43.45 | LiraNuna | whoa |
| 07:44.27 | tekojo | Khertan hmm, that's bad |
| 07:44.43 | Khertan | tekojo, yep |
| 07:44.52 | joga | MohammadAG: I think the "hype" was because everyone expected it a lot :) |
| 07:45.13 | LiraNuna | hey, we got skype video chats |
| 07:45.21 | LiraNuna | I don't think it was overrated |
| 07:45.22 | Surfa | and gtalk too? |
| 07:45.28 | danielwilms | now 1.2 UK variant is as well available for download from tablets-dev |
| 07:45.29 | MohammadAG | which don't work with fring |
| 07:45.34 | MohammadAG | so udeless for me :) |
| 07:45.37 | MohammadAG | useless* |
| 07:45.37 | LiraNuna | Surfa, I believe it was on 1.1 as well, but the other side needs to initiate it |
| 07:45.40 | joga | video chat is a nice add |
| 07:45.41 | tekojo | danielwilms: thanks :) |
| 07:45.44 | Corsac | well, I'm more interested about fixed bugs :) |
| 07:46.16 | joppu | how bout the flash version? like I personally care, but some people do |
| 07:46.30 | wall[e] | tries to remember all his modification |
| 07:46.38 | wall[e] | hi joppu i love your carbon theme very much |
| 07:46.39 | MohammadAG | yes, when **** sites upgrade we'll be left out |
| 07:46.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 07:47.01 | wall[e] | thank you for it a lot |
| 07:47.41 | Khertan | is interested by qt4.6 and mce fix |
| 07:47.43 | Khertan | is interested by qt4.6 and mce fixes |
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| 07:48.33 | joppu | wall[e]: yeah, I'll fix it up and release it after my exam week (which just started today), but thanks :) |
| 07:49.14 | wall[e] | can always wait! |
| 07:49.33 | MohammadAG | joppu, what exams? |
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| 07:50.20 | wall[e] | i'm making theme that looks like iron man (with yellow/red metal buttons etc) with blender |
| 07:51.26 | wall[e] | rendering is fun but splitting them into so many pngs and try to understand them isn't |
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| 07:51.58 | wall[e] | appreciate your hard work! good luck with the exam. |
| 07:52.24 | MohammadAG | thanks :P |
| 07:52.34 | MohammadAG | has an exam at 1:30 |
| 07:52.39 | wall[e] | you too! |
| 07:52.41 | MohammadAG | today's a ***** :P |
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| 07:52.56 | wall[e] | and what are you still doing here? |
| 07:52.58 | wall[e] | haha |
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| 07:53.42 | joppu | wall[e]: are you using MADDE, TM or manual method? |
| 07:53.45 | wall[e] | but reminds me i was playing mud and runs to the exam and almost late. that's 15 years ago. |
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| 07:53.56 | wall[e] | joppu: manual |
| 07:54.04 | Khertan | noobmonkey, to flash without reboot from flasher remove the option -R |
| 07:54.21 | wall[e] | btw, i noticed that some png got stretch, is there a way to tell rendering engine to tile them? |
| 07:54.22 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y left afaik |
| 07:54.30 | MohammadAG | infobot, seen noobmonk3y |
| 07:54.31 | infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-53-101.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27m 24s ago, saying: 'gotta goooooooooooooooooo - ciaoooooooooooo'. |
| 07:54.34 | wall[e] | through some config file? |
| 07:54.38 | Khertan | yep ... i see that after :) |
| 07:54.43 | Khertan | MohammadAG, thx |
| 07:54.45 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:55.11 | MohammadAG | don't thank me |
| 07:55.15 | MohammadAG | ~thanks |
| 07:55.15 | infobot | MohammadAG: no worries |
| 07:55.18 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 07:55.41 | joppu | MohammadAG: I had math today, still Finnish, Swedish, history, geography and English to go |
| 07:55.52 | Khertan | Impossible d'ajouter le message au fichier mbox : /home/khertan/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox : Fichier trop gros |
| 07:55.55 | Khertan | oups |
| 07:56.07 | wall[e] | why i can't see pr1.2 in my application manager? |
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| 07:56.10 | MohammadAG | oh, not gces then |
| 07:56.29 | MohammadAG | good luck anyhow :) |
| 07:56.37 | Khertan | wall[e], because you should change glasses |
| 07:56.51 | wall[e] | i really cant see :S |
| 07:56.53 | wall[e] | cries |
| 07:57.11 | lejonet | joppu: lol you have Swedish in school? I guess you live in a Finnish/Swedish part of finland? :P |
| 07:57.25 | wall[e] | just reflash! |
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| 07:57.39 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 07:57.49 | MohammadAG | wonder if i should take backups of the mtd blocks |
| 07:58.05 | florian | good morning |
| 07:58.09 | wall[e] | i have to repartition again oh no |
| 07:58.09 | joppu | lejonet: we all have (and hate) to study it everywhere Finland :S |
| 07:58.10 | Scelt | lejonet: everywhere in Finland, we have two official languages |
| 07:58.39 | MohammadAG | so, i should backup the bootloader files, transitions, mce.ini, custom kernel image, and... |
| 07:58.54 | MohammadAG | oh yeah, the normal backup app stuff |
| 07:59.01 | lejonet | Scelt: :O that is just wrong |
| 07:59.37 | jpe | scelt: in belgium we have 4 ! |
| 07:59.40 | lejonet | joppu: Like fine, we did own finland a couple of hundred years ago, but why should we still force you to learn our language? :P |
| 07:59.41 | Scelt | lejonet: that's our history and I don't have anything against it |
| 07:59.47 | Lynoure | lejonet: Swedish is mandatory in all of Finland |
| 07:59.50 | lejonet | jpe: Well you guys are weird ;) |
| 08:00.15 | jpe | but it's nice to have on youre CV |
| 08:00.17 | Scelt | jpe: do you have to study all of them at school? |
| 08:00.38 | joppu | do you guys ever backup your application list? I never do that |
| 08:00.40 | lejonet | Lynoure: Didn't know that. Poor you :P |
| 08:00.46 | wall[e] | i do |
| 08:00.55 | jpe | scelt: yep, but not all in the same amount..., and it depends in which part of the country you live |
| 08:00.57 | wall[e] | backup my app list |
| 08:01.04 | Scelt | jpe: okay |
| 08:01.11 | Lynoure | lejonet: Could be worse :) |
| 08:01.31 | wazd | I knew they will release PR 1.2 right after Lost finale :D |
| 08:01.45 | lejonet | Lynoure: True |
| 08:01.45 | wazd | that light was PR 1.2 indeed :D |
| 08:01.47 | lejonet | brb |
| 08:01.47 | pupnik | my friend says dont watch it |
| 08:02.04 | wall[e] | you have pr1.2 in ham? |
| 08:02.08 | wall[e] | all of you? |
| 08:02.14 | wazd | wall[e]: no |
| 08:02.26 | wall[e] | ah ok |
| 08:02.46 | wazd | wall[e]: but I'll try to update it thry nsu |
| 08:03.07 | wazd | which I doubt :) |
| 08:03.38 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: where is the transitions-file stored? |
| 08:03.55 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/hildon-desktop |
| 08:04.24 | wall[e] | wazd :) |
| 08:04.24 | mikki-kun | thanks :) |
| 08:04.26 | wall[e] | no luck here |
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| 08:04.43 | mikki-kun | and the mce.ini was somewhere in /etc afair |
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| 08:05.10 | wall[e] | tries apt |
| 08:05.36 | korhojoa_ | hmm. pr 1.2 eh |
| 08:07.30 | timeless_mbp | oh darn |
| 08:07.34 | timeless_mbp | someone shipped it? |
| 08:07.42 | sp3000 | ...but does it have a pony? |
| 08:07.44 | timeless_mbp | that means i actually have to get my package(s) fixed :( |
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| 08:08.27 | korhojoa_ | timeless_mbp: oh noes :D |
| 08:08.42 | timeless_mbp | korhojoa_: how dare they ship it! |
| 08:08.45 | timeless_mbp | it's so unfair! |
| 08:08.52 | timeless_mbp | couldn't they wait another year? |
| 08:08.58 | korhojoa_ | timeless_mbp: yeah! especially when it means effort for the devs! |
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| 08:09.05 | timeless_mbp | yeahâ¦. |
| 08:09.20 | wazd | "Polishing each application for resistive screen (as good as it is) is not trivial considering...." |
| 08:09.24 | timeless_mbp | now poor users will update and things will break and they'll blame the lazy devs like me for not being ready |
| 08:09.26 | korhojoa_ | I mean, they could at least have given you some warning, you know. So you'd have time to fix any broken functionality, but no. |
| 08:09.31 | wazd | of all possible explanations he chose this |
| 08:09.59 | MohammadAG | meego is overrated |
| 08:10.23 | MohammadAG | it has rpm, one reason to stay away from it (from my experience with fedora) |
| 08:10.24 | wazd | Peter is slowly moving onto Jobs' path :) |
| 08:10.29 | timeless_mbp | korhojoa_: yeah, the 6 months i got was way too short |
| 08:10.36 | timeless_mbp | i needed at least 12 months |
| 08:10.49 | Wolfie | wazd: without all the technical rigor and overall determination |
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| 08:11.26 | wall[e] | mp-fremantle-generic-pr is already the newest version. |
| 08:11.34 | wall[e] | may be because i am in thailand? |
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| 08:12.22 | MohammadAG | wall[e], update the package list |
| 08:12.28 | korhojoa_ | i quite like the debian package manager |
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| 08:12.47 | Oli``` | Probably the hundredth person to ask this morning but why won't PR1.2 update over the air? I've got 68megs free on rootfs |
| 08:13.04 | wazd | is there any way to update n900 for windows? :) |
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| 08:13.26 | MohammadAG | Oli```, it will tomorrow |
| 08:13.55 | Oli``` | MohammadAG: ? They're updating the package? |
| 08:14.04 | MohammadAG | idk |
| 08:15.25 | wall[e] | MohammadAG: I did |
| 08:15.37 | wall[e] | apt source.list right? |
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| 08:17.49 | wall[e] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.51 | wall[e] | right? |
| 08:17.53 | furunk3l | yes hello |
| 08:17.59 | mece | omg I'm soo regretting not using the restore apps functions. Turns out I had a shitload of apps installed. |
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| 08:18.11 | wall[e] | ah i see |
| 08:18.17 | wall[e] | will flash then |
| 08:18.38 | wall[e] | who can wait for one more day? |
| 08:18.44 | tekojo | mece if you have the backup, you still can do it |
| 08:19.06 | mece | tekojo.. can I only choose the app list? |
| 08:19.09 | mece | hmm good idea. |
| 08:19.10 | tekojo | wazd windows flaseher |
| 08:19.22 | mece | wazd, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing |
| 08:19.28 | mece | wazd, fast and easy |
| 08:19.38 | joppu | I think I screwed something up. I flashed the FIASCO image without the -R switch, kept the N900 plugged it, ran the eMMC flashing command. It it says booting into flashing mode and no suitable device found. The N900 boot is stuck to the second dot |
| 08:19.44 | wazd | ooooh |
| 08:19.49 | tekojo | mece in back-up tool yes and then in app manager there is the menu option of restore |
| 08:19.56 | wazd | tekojo: mece: thanks, I'll try that :) |
| 08:20.07 | GNUton-BNC | X-Fade: ping |
| 08:20.32 | wall[e] | joppu: restart it over? |
| 08:20.41 | tekojo | joppu try ripping out the battery and rebooting, or did you already? |
| 08:20.59 | tekojo | and how long is it stuck? |
| 08:20.59 | joppu | The wiki pagesays it's strictly forbidden |
| 08:21.22 | joppu | ""When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image first, then the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two! |
| 08:21.32 | tekojo | joppu: but you flashed both images already? |
| 08:21.40 | tekojo | or not? |
| 08:21.50 | joppu | Nope, the eMMC doesn't flash |
| 08:22.12 | joppu | The Firmware is already there |
| 08:22.16 | Treibholz | Is it possible, to have something like a wildcard-contact? E.g. all numbers from the office start with 431515 followed by 4 digits. I want to see, if the office calls. |
| 08:22.19 | lbt | is 1.2 out then? |
| 08:22.22 | tekojo | joppu: ahhh, then rip the battery, ready the flasher, plug in the cable and stick the battery in |
| 08:22.39 | tekojo | ready the flasher as in run the command, it will wait for the device a while |
| 08:22.48 | parim1 | Hey guys is there a port of google chrome for maemo 2008? |
| 08:22.56 | joppu | do I need to press U? |
| 08:23.19 | tekojo | joppu: depends, on my machine never, but some people need to |
| 08:23.44 | MohammadAG | parim1, ask jacekowski, but i doubt it, the N900's hardware runs it a bislow |
| 08:23.51 | lejonet | parim1: I think I saw a chromium app in extras-devel or something the other day, it aint that optimized for touch screen tho |
| 08:24.09 | parim1 | lejonet: thanks |
| 08:24.15 | Khertan | md5sum verified ... FLASHING ! |
| 08:24.32 | mece | Khertan :) |
| 08:24.35 | MohammadAG | lejonet, it's for OS 2009, not 2008 afaik |
| 08:24.47 | mece | I'm going to pump out qt apps like there' |
| 08:24.50 | mece | s no tomorrow |
| 08:24.51 | lejonet | MohammadAG: oh :P |
| 08:25.13 | mece | (not really) |
| 08:25.17 | wazd | oh |
| 08:25.19 | wazd | NSU works |
| 08:25.22 | wazd | awesome! |
| 08:25.28 | mece | what's NSU again? |
| 08:25.29 | Khertan | i m impatient to test my Qt Apps :) |
| 08:25.34 | lejonet | Not Safe Education? :P |
| 08:25.34 | Khertan | (not finished yet) |
| 08:25.35 | wazd | nokia software update |
| 08:25.41 | mece | Khertan, mine installed as it should at least :) |
| 08:25.53 | Khertan | mine isn't packaged yet :) |
| 08:26.19 | phellarv_ | So - PR1.2 is out, and everyone is a happy kitten? |
| 08:26.30 | lejonet | I'm probably going to use my N900 to try and learn how to program with Qt :P |
| 08:26.51 | Stskeeps | phellarv: well, no commercially supported meego |
| 08:26.53 | lejonet | Gotta setup an cross-compiler on my computer tho |
| 08:26.58 | Khertan | oups ... i ve got a pb ... |
| 08:27.05 | mece | Khertan, uh oh |
| 08:27.07 | Khertan | doesn't boot |
| 08:27.07 | tekojo | lejonet try MADDE |
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| 08:27.21 | mece | Khertan, wait... |
| 08:27.26 | mece | Khertan, mine was slooow |
| 08:27.29 | mece | first boot |
| 08:27.33 | phellarv | Stskeeps: That was not really a surprise. |
| 08:27.36 | Khertan | yep ... but reboot twice already |
| 08:27.42 | mece | Khertan. oh. damn |
| 08:27.55 | wall[e] | grrrrr |
| 08:27.57 | tekojo | Khertan: wait, it's doing a lot of optification of first boot |
| 08:27.57 | phellarv | Stskeeps: Ain't no money in backporting, you know. |
| 08:28.01 | wall[e] | internet will down for an hour grrrr |
| 08:28.20 | joppu | wall[e]: repars? |
| 08:28.26 | Khertan | tekojo, yep ... i m just waiting ... maybe some internal fw upgrade like the phone chipset |
| 08:28.28 | mece | tekojo, are you still working on maemo btw? |
| 08:28.39 | Khertan | youhou ! it s start the third time ! |
| 08:28.58 | mece | Khertan, so it worked.. or? |
| 08:28.59 | tekojo | mece: Yes, but my area is maemo.org, as long as it's there I'm looking at it |
| 08:29.06 | Khertan | mece, yep it s working |
| 08:29.17 | Khertan | i was a bit afraid after two reboot |
| 08:29.20 | tekojo | Khertan: not chipset, that happens in flashing, but it's optifying |
| 08:29.21 | mece | tekojo, nice. That's like my favorite place on teh interwebs :D |
| 08:29.31 | joppu | ok, screw the eMMC, it boots up just fine |
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| 08:30.01 | mece | ~curse my slow 3g connection |
| 08:30.02 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, my slow 3g connection ! |
| 08:30.20 | tekojo | joppu: I don't think you *have* to flash emmc, it's just a content change |
| 08:30.20 | mece | teehee... that never gets old |
| 08:30.34 | Khertan | hum ... my nokia |
| 08:30.36 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:30.39 | tekojo | is being dragged to lunch |
| 08:30.44 | joppu | tekojo: yeah, I was just hoping to start up on a clean slate |
| 08:30.45 | Khertan | advice by sms ... will be short :) |
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| 08:30.55 | wazd | seriously, NSU worked like a charm |
| 08:31.08 | wazd | it should be listed in wiki I suppose |
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| 08:31.59 | joppu | how does one change the menu layout? |
| 08:32.03 | parim1 | Paul and microsoft have them take a look at it |
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| 08:32.50 | wutr | yay PR1.2! |
| 08:33.22 | mece | tekojo, does pr1.2 use the same transitions.ini file as previous versions? |
| 08:34.43 | timeless_mbp | Treibholz: the algorithm looks at the last x digits which iirc is 8 or so |
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| 08:35.05 | andre__ | mece: I don't think that tekojo knows every single file on the N900 by heart. wait and check? |
| 08:35.10 | timeless_mbp | i don't think it's particularly pluggable, but you could probably write another app which listens for some message and does something |
| 08:36.13 | timeless_mbp | andre__: how dare he not memorize the entire file system for all versions of the n900! |
| 08:36.18 | sx0n | 1.2? |
| 08:36.35 | jacekowski | ehhh |
| 08:36.42 | jacekowski | not enough memory in target location |
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| 08:37.04 | jacekowski | how much is enough? |
| 08:37.05 | timeless_mbp | sx0n: it is in the topic... |
| 08:37.25 | lejonet | jacekowski: When 1 more bit is more space than needed ;) |
| 08:37.30 | joppu | holy crap, the back button now actually takes you back one page |
| 08:37.52 | lejonet | hides |
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| 08:37.59 | lejonet | joppu: :O |
| 08:38.04 | MohammadAG | A= infinty sign |
| 08:38.07 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, A |
| 08:38.10 | jacekowski | joppu: lies |
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| 08:38.33 | mece | jacekowski, try disabling extras, testing and devel, perhaps that will do the trick? |
| 08:38.43 | mece | gives you 20 megs or so :) |
| 08:38.57 | jacekowski | 6.3 at the moment |
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| 08:39.27 | mece | jacekowski, ouch |
| 08:39.31 | joppu | still no portait input in the browser |
| 08:39.38 | frals | timeless_mbp: i think its last 7 |
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| 08:40.59 | jacekowski | i cleaned /var/cache/apt/archives and i've got 30M |
| 08:41.28 | mece | andre__, righty, sometimes people just happens to know though :) |
| 08:41.36 | timeless_mbp | frals: i've spoken w/ the people who work on it |
| 08:41.47 | timeless_mbp | in the USA, we have 10 digit numbers, 3, 3, 4 |
| 08:41.50 | wazd | woo, normal "back" in browser! :) update already worth it :) |
| 08:42.01 | jacekowski | 30M is not enough |
| 08:42.02 | timeless_mbp | a 7 digit number isn't actually useful, since it's an instant collision between any pair of area codes |
| 08:42.12 | lejonet | wazd: Sweetness :P |
| 08:42.17 | mece | andre__, hey btw did you get my email about the bugtrackers? |
| 08:42.31 | timeless_mbp | joppu: did you find portrait input in any other application? |
| 08:42.33 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, it just hates you |
| 08:42.36 | andre__ | mece, yes |
| 08:42.49 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it doesn't want me to hate it |
| 08:43.09 | frals | timeless_mbp: alright, i only go by whats at http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number which might not be used elsewhere :) |
| 08:43.09 | joppu | timeless_mbp: nope, but somebody was demonstating it on the SDK by forcing it into portait |
| 08:43.12 | mece | andre__, k. Is all ok there, or do you need more info? |
| 08:43.23 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 08:43.43 | crashanddie | joppu: try opera browser for Maemo, bloody brilliant, and added bonus: no flash! |
| 08:43.47 | timeless_mbp | frals: hrm, maybe :) |
| 08:43.58 | joppu | crashanddie: I'm aware of this, yes |
| 08:44.00 | timeless_mbp | i distinctly remember disliking their behavior for a bunch of reasons |
| 08:44.10 | frals | hehe |
| 08:44.13 | crashanddie | joppu: supports portrait input with a very good keyboard |
| 08:44.21 | andre__ | mece, looks okay from a quick view. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products |
| 08:44.30 | timeless_mbp | frals: i will note that the first sentence in that blob is bad |
| 08:44.37 | wazd | cyrilic symbols in maps! |
| 08:44.41 | timeless_mbp | it should be "well-defined", not "well-define" |
| 08:44.50 | BugBlue | mmm |
| 08:44.51 | joppu | crashanddie: but it sucks you battery like a whor... |
| 08:44.52 | timeless_mbp | so given that they were off by one earlier, maybe they're off by one later :) |
| 08:44.53 | wazd | I feel a bit randy now |
| 08:44.55 | crashanddie | joppu: then don't say "nope", when someone asks you "did you find portrait input in any other application" |
| 08:45.10 | BugBlue | I can't restore.. it does complain about available memory |
| 08:45.13 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: um |
| 08:45.16 | timeless_mbp | Opera has their own IME |
| 08:45.19 | BugBlue | let's switch to english |
| 08:45.23 | timeless_mbp | it isn't the nokia IME |
| 08:45.31 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: yes, but it's still portrait input |
| 08:45.35 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 08:45.36 | timeless_mbp | it isn't |
| 08:45.39 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: you didn't qualify initially :) |
| 08:45.57 | joppu | damn, I always hit "settings", the last item in the menu by reflex :D |
| 08:46.03 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: it was a context sensitive question |
| 08:46.08 | timeless_mbp | the context was 'pr1.2 changes' |
| 08:46.21 | timeless_mbp | pr1.2 does not, to my knowledge, offer a portrait IME |
| 08:46.22 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: my apologies, wasn't aware of it |
| 08:46.35 | timeless_mbp | as it does not offer it, asking one of the platform apps to use a feature that doesn't exist is unfair |
| 08:46.47 | timeless_mbp | and i'm in the middle of deciding how to bite someone's head off |
| 08:46.50 | timeless_mbp | so please don't tempt me |
| 08:47.07 | joppu | so there was an option to rearrange the menu, where it would be lacated? |
| 08:47.07 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to be incredibly polite and include a certain amount of levity |
| 08:47.10 | timeless_mbp | howeverâ¦. |
| 08:47.14 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: that being said, I believe it is worthwhile to note that the only application that offers portrait input support is a beta version of a browser. |
| 08:47.15 | timeless_mbp | joppu: tap and hold |
| 08:47.36 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: you think we *didn't* want it? |
| 08:47.50 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: fuck off, don't pull that with me. Thanks. If you need to go for a shit, please, go ahead and go to the bathroom, no need to threathen the whole room. |
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| 08:48.15 | timeless_mbp | sure, we went to the IME people and said "please please please don't deliver a portrait IME, it'd give us too many features and hurt our WOW for post 1.2" |
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| 08:48.30 | timeless_mbp | waits for that to hit talk |
| 08:48.35 | crashanddie | lol |
| 08:48.51 | joppu | internet drama |
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| 08:49.14 | wazd | ctrl+shift+r doesn't work in media player? :( |
| 08:49.18 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I never said or implied anything of the sorts, please don't insult my intelligence by pretending I did, you know better than that. |
| 08:50.07 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i'm in a bad mood |
| 08:50.25 | BugBlue | oke, an extra reboot did do the trick.. it's now restoring :-) |
| 08:50.45 | crashanddie | that's fine, hope things get better, but there really is no need to take it out on the channel, or anyone on IRC for that matter. |
| 08:50.51 | timeless_mbp | my day started by receiving what amounts to a censure from a working group |
| 08:51.02 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: may I recommend going to annoy the new paperboy? |
| 08:51.18 | timeless_mbp | i'd probably get arrested in this country! |
| 08:51.33 | crashanddie | I meant the Nokia paperboy, hopefully he's legal |
| 08:51.49 | timeless_mbp | harassing people at nokia would get me fired |
| 08:51.53 | timeless_mbp | they don't have a sense of humor |
| 08:51.56 | crashanddie | damn |
| 08:51.57 | timeless_mbp | and document every infraction |
| 08:52.08 | timeless_mbp | with video cameras! |
| 08:52.09 | joppu | accont setup has now "facebook"-option. it's just jabber, right? |
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| 08:52.23 | timeless_mbp | joppu: it's probably facebook :) |
| 08:52.36 | crashanddie | is pr1.2 released? |
| 08:52.45 | timeless_mbp | eyes crashanddie |
| 08:52.48 | crashanddie | or did joppu install the leaked version? |
| 08:52.52 | timeless_mbp | please read the topic |
| 08:52.59 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I know the topic, I put it there |
| 08:53.09 | crashanddie | but sometimes the conversations get misleading |
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| 08:53.11 | joppu | wellthe builtin jabber fuctioned fine with facebook, as it being XMPP |
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| 08:53.19 | joppu | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nokia-updates-n900-to-version-1-2-in-uk-closes-door-on-meego/ |
| 08:53.28 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: oh, no, I didn't read the topic |
| 08:53.39 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 08:53.43 | mece | joppu, I guess it's a jabber with the proper settings preinstalled |
| 08:53.47 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 08:53.52 | *** kick/#maemo [crashanddie!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (wanker, read the topic) |
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| 08:53.59 | crashanddie | sorry |
| 08:54.39 | MohammadAG | you deserve a kick ban, you used the f word |
| 08:54.44 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 08:54.50 | Stskeeps | what, fwanker? |
| 08:54.50 | crashanddie | hehehe |
| 08:54.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:54.54 | jacekowski | crashanddie: don't be to harsh on yourself |
| 08:55.07 | crashanddie | what did I say: PR1.2 Global Release on May 26th, my birthday! |
| 08:55.07 | timeless_mbp | > This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. |
| 08:55.21 | mece | it's may 25th :P |
| 08:55.26 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: do you have a birthday every day? |
| 08:55.26 | jacekowski | crashanddie: it's already released |
| 08:55.29 | crashanddie | well, only UK release today, right? |
| 08:55.38 | mece | no global too. only uk on ota. |
| 08:55.41 | jacekowski | crashanddie: everything except UK is released |
| 08:55.49 | jacekowski | crashanddie: UK is released for ota instead |
| 08:55.56 | crashanddie | "UK release today, and global release tomorrow Wednesday, May 26" |
| 08:56.03 | crashanddie | yeah, so that's what I said :) |
| 08:56.04 | Khertan | crashanddie, for ota ... |
| 08:56.05 | jacekowski | crashanddie: check tablet-dev |
| 08:56.15 | crashanddie | 26th May :) Nokia wanted to be polite |
| 08:56.16 | mece | I already installed global, so it's definately out. |
| 08:56.23 | jacekowski | crashanddie: there are all firmware version except UK |
| 08:56.29 | jacekowski | crashanddie: UK users can get update using OTA |
| 08:56.32 | Khertan | crashanddie, mine is restoring apps on pr1.2 :) |
| 08:56.35 | jacekowski | and OTA fails |
| 08:56.42 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I understand that |
| 08:56.43 | jacekowski | because it needs god knows how much space |
| 08:56.55 | joppu | is there any way to erase my now obsolete jabber addresses all all my over 100 fabebook friends? |
| 08:57.14 | joppu | nice spelling |
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| 08:57.29 | crashanddie | joppu: look at the hermes app, it'll give you an idea |
| 08:57.53 | joppu | is it now capable of erasing stuff too? |
| 08:58.22 | crashanddie | dunno |
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| 08:58.36 | crashanddie | if it doesn't, send an ER |
| 08:59.13 | ZogG_N900 | no meego and it's last update probably. sad |
| 08:59.29 | lbt | what's a UK user? not a summit device? or a dev-device? |
| 08:59.31 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't be to worried yet |
| 08:59.38 | Stskeeps | lbt: UK ips maybe |
| 09:00.03 | joppu | ZogG_N900: what do you meanno meego? |
| 09:00.04 | lbt | sets up a Tor |
| 09:00.18 | pigeon | am i supposed to be able to update to 1.2 by just apt-get update and dist-upgrade? |
| 09:00.26 | X-Fade | pigeon: no |
| 09:00.43 | ZogG_N900 | joppu, for n900 officially |
| 09:00.46 | lbt | (no updates available) ... in Reading, UK...... |
| 09:01.00 | lbt | sobs and moves on with his destroyed life |
| 09:01.04 | BCMM | pr 1.2 is out? |
| 09:01.07 | X-Fade | lbt: Only for UK devices, with UK cal data. |
| 09:01.15 | lbt | :) |
| 09:01.15 | X-Fade | lbt: You probably have global ones. |
| 09:01.15 | crashanddie | isn't that nice though... I ranted about PR1.2 last night, I wake up and... TADA |
| 09:01.18 | jacekowski | lbt: well, reading isn't in UK then |
| 09:01.18 | ZogG_N900 | pigeon, you can flash for own risk |
| 09:01.20 | joppu | ZogG_N900: N900 isn't really targeted at people who only install "officail" stuff on their device |
| 09:01.24 | lbt | crashanddie: I told you! |
| 09:01.31 | BCMM | bother, i was hoping to be online when that happened |
| 09:01.32 | lbt | jacekowski: true... |
| 09:01.42 | X-Fade | But flashing is better anyway ;) |
| 09:01.48 | lbt | they got confused with pensylvania |
| 09:01.53 | crashanddie | joppu: yes, that's exactly what it's aimed at |
| 09:02.00 | pigeon | have to do it using the app manager? |
| 09:02.07 | crashanddie | joppu: please don't take your habbits as a general rule for the whole of the community |
| 09:02.09 | BCMM | you see, i was planning to find out before they changed the topic, and get kicked for asking about it when it was already out |
| 09:02.44 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: fuck off :) |
| 09:02.48 | ZogG_N900 | joppu, i have gentoo on desktop to have sex with and look forward for gf |
| 09:02.49 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, would u advice o flash vanilla as well? |
| 09:02.55 | BCMM | joppu: spot on, the n900 is a computer, and therefore it is for breaking and then fixing, for fun :) |
| 09:03.26 | ZogG_N900 | BCMM, depends |
| 09:03.30 | jacekowski | i just did break my phone thing and moved locale-archive to /home |
| 09:03.38 | X-Fade | ZogG_N900: No, but after a few SSUs you might have less space free than you would with a clean flash for the firmware. |
| 09:03.47 | joppu | crashanddie: do you know the Hacker Editions for the previous tablets? |
| 09:03.47 | ZogG_N900 | if it's an extra stuff i agree but common things. meh |
| 09:03.54 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: we're all friends here |
| 09:03.54 | lbt | looks down at his Roomba and wonders if PR1.2 will help it clean into the corners... |
| 09:04.05 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, stfu |
| 09:04.07 | crashanddie | joppu: yah |
| 09:04.07 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 09:04.11 | timeless_mbp | lbt: it'll give you a pony :) |
| 09:04.18 | timeless_mbp | a tiny one, to stick in the corner |
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| 09:04.23 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I know :) |
| 09:04.24 | timeless_mbp | which the roomba can play w/ |
| 09:04.27 | BCMM | so one has to back up everything, make a list of apps you've installed, and reflash? |
| 09:04.29 | lbt | it should get in smaller gaps ... |
| 09:04.38 | lbt | it can go portrait ;) |
| 09:04.59 | BCMM | it already does portrait |
| 09:05.10 | lbt | BCMM: nah, the wheels spin |
| 09:05.21 | BCMM | i meant maemo already does portrait |
| 09:05.25 | crashanddie | we don't need to flash the bloody emmc, do we? |
| 09:05.28 | lbt | I meant my Roomba |
| 09:05.40 | jacekowski | crashanddie: we do |
| 09:05.42 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, again. emmc or whta flash? |
| 09:05.55 | crashanddie | jacekowski: seriously? |
| 09:05.57 | joppu | you don't need to flash the eMMC |
| 09:06.00 | jacekowski | crashanddie: full flash you need as far as i know |
| 09:06.02 | X-Fade | ZogG_N900: Don't touch emmc. |
| 09:06.10 | jacekowski | crashanddie: they moved some stuff to emmc |
| 09:06.13 | BCMM | am i right in thinking that pr1.2 isn't going to be an OTA update? |
| 09:06.17 | X-Fade | ZogG_N900: As that will remove your home etc ;) |
| 09:06.20 | Stskeeps | BCMM: wrong |
| 09:06.23 | crashanddie | BCMM: read the announcement |
| 09:06.23 | jacekowski | BCMM: it will be tomorrow |
| 09:06.27 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, ok. that's what i mean |
| 09:06.27 | joppu | I didn't flash the eMMC and it's working fabulously |
| 09:06.30 | BCMM | crashanddie: that's a good idea |
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| 09:06.38 | jacekowski | BCMM: and it's today for UK users |
| 09:06.45 | BCMM | jacekowski: as OTA? |
| 09:06.53 | jacekowski | ( at least once UK isn't behind everybody else ) |
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| 09:06.55 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 09:07.02 | BCMM | looks at his phone |
| 09:07.05 | BCMM | oh my, so it is |
| 09:07.08 | BCMM | does a happy little dance |
| 09:07.15 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, no problem to back up |
| 09:07.15 | crashanddie | X-Fade, jacekowski: one is saying don't flash emmc, the other is saying do. Please get in tune. We need to send a unique message, especially on IRC. |
| 09:07.17 | jacekowski | 46minutes ETA |
| 09:07.20 | BCMM | right, i should probably make some space on /, since it's been a bit full lately |
| 09:07.22 | BCMM | any ideas? |
| 09:07.33 | X-Fade | ZogG_N900: Well if you backup on device, those will be gone then ;) |
| 09:07.37 | jacekowski | BCMM: i moved /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive to /home |
| 09:07.50 | BCMM | jacekowski: as in, move and symlink? |
| 09:07.57 | BCMM | and that doesn't cause any problems? |
| 09:07.59 | jacekowski | well, i didn't bother to symlink |
| 09:08.02 | jacekowski | and it's still working |
| 09:08.02 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, backup on desktop. lol |
| 09:08.09 | BCMM | jacekowski: you mean nothing uses that? |
| 09:08.11 | jacekowski | but i'll move it back as soon as update is done |
| 09:08.19 | jacekowski | BCMM: well, programs are using it |
| 09:08.31 | BCMM | is it put there by the international conspiracy of memory manufacturers? |
| 09:08.38 | ZogG_N900 | X-Fade, can't back up on device and than format it. |
| 09:08.38 | jacekowski | BCMM: but symlink shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:08.51 | BCMM | jacekowski: eta 46 mins as in download time??? |
| 09:08.57 | jacekowski | BCMM: it contains locales for all languages |
| 09:08.59 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 09:09.05 | BCMM | that is damn slow |
| 09:09.14 | jacekowski | BCMM: over 2g? |
| 09:09.18 | ZogG_N900 | global one? |
| 09:09.25 | jacekowski | in metal building |
| 09:09.30 | ZogG_N900 | over half G |
| 09:09.32 | BCMM | jacekowski: ah, i was assuming one would do taht kinda thing over wifi/USB networking |
| 09:09.34 | jacekowski | and i have only 3 bars |
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| 09:09.44 | BCMM | jacekowski: no wifi? |
| 09:09.52 | BCMM | no computer? |
| 09:09.54 | jacekowski | BCMM: not in here |
| 09:10.08 | ZogG_N900 | wifi is slower for me that apn |
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| 09:10.17 | jacekowski | pretty much everywhere except electronics workshop |
| 09:10.27 | crashanddie | gents, I'd really like to know if we need to flash emmc or not |
| 09:10.30 | BCMM | was somebody advising that one flashes instead of OTA'ing? |
| 09:10.39 | crashanddie | now, my understanding is that EMMC can't be flashed OTA anyway |
| 09:10.50 | wazd | anybody tested skype videocall already? :) |
| 09:10.52 | tekojo | crashanddie: correct |
| 09:11.03 | BCMM | how much root should i have available? |
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| 09:11.10 | BCMM | i have 18.1M |
| 09:11.11 | crashanddie | so if it is being planned (or delivered) OTA, it seems unlikely that the EMMC flash would do anything, and only the bin update is required |
| 09:11.15 | jacekowski | BCMM: not enough |
| 09:11.27 | jacekowski | BCMM: mount -o bind /home /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:11.31 | BCMM | jacekowski: yeah, i figured - not sure where it has all gone though :( |
| 09:11.35 | jacekowski | mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 09:11.37 | jacekowski | as root |
| 09:11.46 | jacekowski | that will help a bit |
| 09:11.52 | jacekowski | BCMM: mount -o bind /home/tmp /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 09:12.05 | jacekowski | and i moved that locales file to /home |
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| 09:12.13 | jacekowski | and i'll see what happens |
| 09:12.25 | jacekowski | but as there is no localedef on n900 |
| 09:12.27 | BCMM | jacekowski: that directory is empty right now |
| 09:12.34 | jacekowski | BCMM: it will get bigger |
| 09:12.35 | BCMM | jacekowski: perhaps because of me doing apt-get clean? |
| 09:12.42 | crashanddie | So, could we as a channel, recommend the following: if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of. |
| 09:12.52 | jacekowski | i'll have to remove unused locales from archive |
| 09:13.01 | crashanddie | ~emmc |
| 09:13.21 | crashanddie | ~emmcinfo is if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of. |
| 09:13.21 | infobot | crashanddie: okay |
| 09:13.28 | BCMM | jacekowski: the thing is, i still don't know where all the extra space has gone |
| 09:13.41 | jacekowski | BCMM: well, 20M seems about right |
| 09:13.55 | BCMM | jacekowski: i thought you said "not enough"? |
| 09:14.07 | jacekowski | it's about right |
| 09:14.12 | jacekowski | but it's not enough for ota |
| 09:14.12 | ZogG_N900 | jacekowski, i would mount to tmp dir |
| 09:14.25 | BCMM | with the space i have, extras-devel sometimes won't update because of "no space left on device" |
| 09:14.39 | jacekowski | BCMM: disable extra repositiries as well |
| 09:14.43 | X-Fade | Probably because you have 2 Qt versions installed. |
| 09:14.48 | BCMM | jacekowski: while doing teh update? |
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| 09:15.11 | BCMM | X-Fade: me? |
| 09:15.16 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 09:15.22 | BCMM | jacekowski: ok |
| 09:15.32 | jacekowski | every byte helps |
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| 09:15.53 | BCMM | has anybody been set on fire or had their kitten eaten by 1.2 yet? |
| 09:15.54 | X-Fade | After PR1.2 install, you should have 100M free in rootfs. |
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| 09:16.11 | BCMM | X-Fade: it will free up space? how? |
| 09:16.12 | joppu | X-Fade: command please? |
| 09:16.20 | jacekowski | BCMM: move stuff to emmc |
| 09:16.25 | X-Fade | BCMM: It will move a lot to /opt |
| 09:16.36 | BCMM | that is a very, very good thing |
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| 09:16.53 | X-Fade | Also, opt is a bind mount now, not a symlink |
| 09:17.22 | BCMM | X-Fade: what are the practical differences, btw? |
| 09:17.35 | BCMM | i mean, i know both exist, but i don't entirely understand why one would use bind |
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| 09:17.49 | crashanddie | " |
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| 09:18.13 | BCMM | oh dear |
| 09:18.34 | jacekowski | BCMM: bind is better |
| 09:18.36 | BCMM | "to update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the nokia software update application on your PC" |
| 09:18.37 | joppu | rootsf Size:227.8M Used:112.0M Available:101.5M Use&:55% |
| 09:18.40 | BCMM | what does a linux user do? |
| 09:18.48 | joppu | after FIASCO reflash |
| 09:19.03 | BCMM | is there not a way to just create the backup in a MyDocs file which i then copy over MSC? |
| 09:19.08 | jacekowski | BCMM: there is nokia software update application for linux |
| 09:19.18 | joppu | X-Fade: rootsf Size:227.8M Used:112.0M Available:101.5M Use&:55% |
| 09:19.28 | BCMM | jacekowski: where does one get it? |
| 09:19.34 | Mobsan | how do I see space in rootfs? |
| 09:19.40 | jacekowski | BCMM: tablet-dev |
| 09:19.42 | joppu | df -h / |
| 09:20.08 | jacekowski | all that showing off with amount of space on rootfs |
| 09:20.21 | jacekowski | reminds me of something |
| 09:21.01 | BCMM | jacekowski: is that "flasher"? |
| 09:21.12 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 09:21.26 | ZogG_N900 | bind is awesome |
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| 09:21.48 | Mobsan | I got 31.9M Available in rootfs, is that enough for update? |
| 09:21.52 | PhonicUK | holy shit did pr 1.2 just hit? |
| 09:22.04 | joppu | YES |
| 09:22.16 | PhonicUK | woot |
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| 09:22.23 | ZogG_N900 | PhonicUK, i hate you ))) |
| 09:22.27 | PhonicUK | lo over 1000 updates |
| 09:22.30 | PhonicUK | why? |
| 09:22.40 | joppu | the MicroB font rendering is now awesome, no more kerning bugs :D |
| 09:22.49 | ZogG_N900 | cause u r UK |
| 09:22.58 | Khertan | arg !!! also external repository with PR1.2 should have the dists fremantle-1.2 |
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| 09:23.06 | Mobsan | what is rootfs used for? |
| 09:23.13 | PhonicUK | does only the UK get it atm? |
| 09:23.23 | BCMM | jacekowski: i'm being dense, can't find flasher for the n900 |
| 09:23.47 | BCMM | latest seems to be "flasher utility (Linux on Intel x86) for the Nokia 770, N800 and N810 Internet Tablets" |
| 09:23.54 | mikki-kun | hm... puh! |
| 09:24.01 | jaska | hmm, no ota yet? |
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| 09:24.07 | mikki-kun | forgot to back_up my data from internal eMMC Ã.ö |
| 09:24.11 | joppu | Mobsan: a place where you shouldn't store application files |
| 09:24.18 | Surfa | jaska, uk today, row probably tomomrrow announced |
| 09:24.41 | Mobsan | But, how do you choose where to install applications? |
| 09:24.43 | jaska | oh ok, cba to reinstall and retune everything |
| 09:24.48 | crashanddie | BCMM: flasher-3.5 works for n900 as well |
| 09:24.53 | BCMM | thanks |
| 09:25.04 | Surfa | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 09:25.07 | joppu | Mobsan: you don't, the dev does |
| 09:25.26 | Mobsan | ok, and what can we do when the rootfs is full? |
| 09:25.38 | X-Fade | Mobsan: Flash the image? |
| 09:26.02 | Surfa | BCMM, fremantle mentioned also in the description field :) |
| 09:26.05 | joppu | Mobsan: not much, uninstall packages |
| 09:26.40 | BCMM | Surfa: ? |
| 09:27.02 | Surfa | BCMM, link above |
| 09:27.10 | Surfa | for the maemo flasher |
| 09:27.11 | Mobsan | why is it so small? 227M? |
| 09:27.17 | BCMM | yeh, got it now from the wiki |
| 09:27.17 | BCMM | thanks |
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| 09:28.31 | crashanddie | Mobsan: why is what so small? |
| 09:28.49 | BCMM | how do you get at backups without installing something? |
| 09:28.56 | BCMM | oh nm |
| 09:29.01 | BCMM | i must be going blind |
| 09:29.02 | Mobsan | space of rootfs... |
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| 09:30.29 | Oli``` | Mobsan: did you find an answer yet? I've got 69.3Megs free and it's still telling me to flash it (rather than updating ota) |
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| 09:33.46 | sejo | does the flasher tool allow to backup first? |
| 09:33.50 | sejo | or how do I do that? |
| 09:34.06 | Oli``` | sejo: you can do that from your phone |
| 09:34.10 | crashanddie | sejo: go to system, backup |
| 09:34.11 | MohammadAG | backup app |
| 09:34.15 | Mobsan | Oli: Im not updating yet (Not in UK), but trying to understand what rootfs is doing and how much space it needs so I can to update tomorrow... |
| 09:34.46 | PhonicUK | i wanna update :) |
| 09:35.17 | PhonicUK | how much space is needed? |
| 09:35.35 | Oli``` | Mobsan: I've seen people in the forums saying they've updated OTA with ~57megs free but as I say, I've got 69.3 and it's not letting me upgrade ota |
| 09:35.47 | sejo | does it also backup the phonenumbers? |
| 09:36.05 | joppu | sejo: the backup app will |
| 09:36.08 | jacekowski | Oli```: use console |
| 09:36.13 | sejo | great thx |
| 09:36.13 | jacekowski | Oli```: sudo gainroot |
| 09:36.18 | jacekowski | Oli```: apt-get update |
| 09:36.22 | jacekowski | apt-get upgrade |
| 09:36.27 | jacekowski | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:36.42 | joppu | sejo: just make sure to copy the "backup" folder out of the phone for additional safety |
| 09:36.55 | Mobsan | And I only got 30.... i tried to uninstall a app, and now it its 100kb less space after the uninstall... |
| 09:37.02 | sejo | joppu: good advice thanks |
| 09:37.07 | Oli``` | jacekowski: I've also seen somebody in the forums say that xterm gets shut down during upgrade, killing off dpkg, leaving you with a bricked phone |
| 09:37.34 | jacekowski | Oli```: you can always do full flash |
| 09:37.55 | Oli``` | jacekowski: that's what I'm leaning towards right now... such a pita though |
| 09:37.55 | lcuk | morning \o |
| 09:38.03 | jacekowski | but good to know |
| 09:38.05 | Khertan | morning lcuk |
| 09:38.08 | sejo | I should take the GLOBAL one right (in Belgium) |
| 09:38.09 | joga | how about running the upgrade in screen |
| 09:38.11 | jacekowski | i'll run my upgrade on screen |
| 09:38.13 | joga | ? |
| 09:38.16 | Arkenoi | and flash 9 still, as expected :-( |
| 09:38.17 | joga | *5* |
| 09:38.34 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 09:38.42 | jacekowski | i've disabled repositories |
| 09:39.11 | BCMM | so it decides whether to OTA or ask you to flash based on free space? |
| 09:39.19 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: so... |
| 09:39.23 | jacekowski | BCMM: no |
| 09:39.23 | timeless_mbp | pr1.2 went to bed months ago |
| 09:39.37 | timeless_mbp | we never promised a newer version of flash for 1.2 |
| 09:39.39 | jacekowski | BCMM: it just refuses to do OTA if there isn't enough space |
| 09:39.48 | BCMM | jacekowski: how is that different? |
| 09:39.50 | timeless_mbp | and there is no way it could possibly have arrived before 1.2 went to bed |
| 09:40.00 | Arkenoi | still cannot understand exactly *what* prevented it form releasing two months ago |
| 09:40.11 | jacekowski | BCMM: stop asking tricky questions |
| 09:40.12 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: let's not go there :) |
| 09:40.15 | Arkenoi | timeless, why? |
| 09:40.19 | Stskeeps | Arkenoi: each time someone outside nokia said the word 'PR1.2', it got delayed a day |
| 09:40.30 | pigeon | is there a wayto tell what version of the phone it is? like US or global? |
| 09:40.36 | Arkenoi | timeless, it was ready half an year ago |
| 09:40.58 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: and a lot of people said pr1.2, thus it was delayed a while :) |
| 09:41.05 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps++ |
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| 09:41.23 | timeless_mbp | it wasn't entirely ready 6 months ago |
| 09:41.30 | Arkenoi | does everyone see firmware update in app manager, or it depends on product code? i do not |
| 09:41.34 | timeless_mbp | it was mostly ready |
| 09:41.45 | PhonicUK | upgrading, brb |
| 09:41.48 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: there's generally a delay in the way things role out |
| 09:41.52 | timeless_mbp | s/role/roll/ |
| 09:41.59 | sejo | is this the correct fw: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 09:41.59 | PhonicUK | also, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:42.01 | timeless_mbp | and iirc app manager doesn't check every minute |
| 09:43.16 | timeless_mbp | i wonder if that's because we don't want to run up your phone bill :) |
| 09:43.37 | Corsac | and battery life :) |
| 09:43.43 | Myrtti | teehee. http://yearoftheplank.com |
| 09:43.47 | jaska | think the default is 24h.. it can be changed somewhere, saw it on wiki |
| 09:44.00 | Corsac | well, you can manually run update in HAM anyway |
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| 09:44.55 | mikki-kun | tihihi, flashing completed :D |
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| 09:45.53 | TTilus | x2x works nice, just copy-pasted phonenumber from n900 phone app to an email (which im writing on my desktop box) |
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| 09:46.14 | TTilus | is there any way to enable ordinary mouse cursor in maemo? |
| 09:46.30 | kthomas_vh | how to restore or reload default browser (it fails after moving to boot from external memory card; N810) |
| 09:46.33 | TTilus | its pretty odd feeling to use mouse and not see the cursor ;) |
| 09:46.35 | chadi | will the backup app backup my conversations? |
| 09:47.03 | TTilus | chadi: afaik, yes |
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| 09:47.38 | chadi | what about msn-pecan and skype attributes of contacts? |
| 09:48.22 | DokterW | Hi. Is this the right channel to ask questions regarding desktop shortcuts/bookmarks and the MicroB browser on a N900? |
| 09:48.22 | TTilus | dunno about that |
| 09:48.26 | chadi | oh and what about contacts themself? |
| 09:49.16 | FIQ | Hm, would it be disadventages more than filling liiittle more space with using bins not BusyBox-related when using ls, grep, etc? |
| 09:49.42 | valdyn | FIQ: no? |
| 09:49.46 | BCMM | what is hte difference between global and UK releases? |
| 09:49.50 | wutr | DokterW: Probably, although I don't have any experience with it |
| 09:49.58 | valdyn | FIQ: the gnu tools are renamed where they conflict |
| 09:50.25 | TTilus | chadi: im additionally backing up $HOME over to desktop box |
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| 09:52.58 | valdyn | chadi: its possible that some software cannot be installed anymore after flashing, other than that you dont lose stuff when doing backup,flash,restore |
| 09:53.04 | TTilus | chadi: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=425071&postcount=7 |
| 09:54.08 | chadi | TTilus exactly what I wanted, thanks :) |
| 09:54.27 | chadi | one last question, do I flash the FIASCO then the VANILLA? |
| 09:54.34 | Khertan | hum ... someone know which version of pyqt is the one to use with pr1.2 |
| 09:54.34 | Khertan | ? |
| 09:54.41 | Khertan | chadi, yep |
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| 09:54.57 | Khertan | chadi, and do not reboot between the both flash |
| 09:55.01 | chadi | so FIASCO PR1.2 then VANILLA PR1.2 |
| 09:55.12 | TTilus | is there any way to enable ordinary mouse cursor in maemo? (would rock when using x2x) |
| 09:55.14 | chadi | Khertan: i read that, but I don't see why :D |
| 09:55.20 | mikki-kun | hm.... usb-speeds of the N900 are really top-notch i gotta admit |
| 09:55.21 | valdyn | chadi: or just combined, afaik |
| 09:55.27 | BCMM | gah, server is slow |
| 09:55.32 | DokterW | Thanks, wutr. I will see if anyone here can hopefully help me. :) First of all I am trying to locate where the file or configuration of the desktop shortcut for any bookmark, be it saved or just added from the browser as a shortcut. Second, I am trying to find out have to create a regular shortcut, as I prefer the smaller icon on my desktop, to open URLs. Third, well, I would like to not have the bookmark window to open first; a |
| 09:55.32 | DokterW | bit annoying. |
| 09:55.57 | BCMM | TTilus: i've seen something about that somewhere (in connection with using bluetooth mice) - might've been the wiki |
| 09:56.03 | wutr | chadi: first boot after FIASCO flash will write some data to eMMC, and if you flash eMMC after that the data is lost |
| 09:56.39 | TTilus | BCMM: ah, bt-mouse |
| 09:56.43 | chadi | wutr: I don't mind loosing data, I have a backup, and i'm backing up my /home |
| 09:56.56 | wutr | chadi: No it's about some system data |
| 09:57.16 | chadi | wutr: okay, thanks |
| 09:57.21 | wutr | don't know exactly what though, but that's the story behind the "don't reboot between FIASCO and VANILLA" |
| 09:57.23 | BCMM | hang on, one needs to flash two images? |
| 09:57.24 | sejo | /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F /Users/sejo/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R gives me this: To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image |
| 09:57.56 | BCMM | is this the procedure i should follow? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux |
| 09:58.09 | BCMM | as in, "sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R"? |
| 09:58.11 | wutr | BCMM affirm |
| 09:58.19 | mikki-kun | sejo: i suppose /User isn't a true path |
| 09:58.34 | sejo | eh? it is |
| 09:58.36 | BCMM | any idae about the difference between global and UK versions? |
| 09:58.50 | sejo | Users is |
| 09:59.01 | mikki-kun | hu? i don't have anywhere on my boxes ever seen /Users in my / |
| 09:59.20 | valdyn | thats a windows 7 path |
| 09:59.27 | ccooke | Wait... 1.2 comes with a new eMMC image? |
| 09:59.30 | sejo | no that is a Mac OSX path |
| 09:59.32 | wutr | DokterW: wasn't there something like "shortcut.desktop" for each shortcut? |
| 09:59.35 | ccooke | huh. |
| 09:59.39 | mikki-kun | ahhhhhhhhhhh... but why do you use then /usr/bin? Ã.ö |
| 10:00.01 | pupnik | http://www.pawprintspad.co.uk/pan1.jpg delivered pandora :) |
| 10:00.05 | sejo | mikki-kun: because that's where the flasher gets installed? |
| 10:00.26 | PhonicUK | i wish i didnt cancel my pandora order |
| 10:00.37 | sejo | my linux is a 64 bit (no 32bit libs) |
| 10:00.42 | sejo | so can't use it |
| 10:00.45 | mikki-kun | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows <--- that'll help i think |
| 10:00.54 | joppu | pupnik: holy shit, they finally managed to build and ship them? |
| 10:00.57 | timeless_mbp | ccooke: you don't *need* the new eMMC image |
| 10:01.18 | ccooke | timeless_mbp: what's in it, then? |
| 10:01.31 | timeless_mbp | there is an update, which iirc fixes the volume icon's compatibility with certain linux platforms |
| 10:01.35 | ghostcube | -.- ok now we got, and now we know we wont get meego |
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| 10:01.45 | timeless_mbp | beyond that, i don't recall many changes to it |
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| 10:01.57 | ccooke | timeless_mbp: Excellent. |
| 10:02.01 | timeless_mbp | someone could of course get the old and new images and compare them |
| 10:02.14 | pupnik | joppu: trickling out the door |
| 10:02.17 | timeless_mbp | i don't maintain the eMMC image itself, although i'm more involved w/ it than most |
| 10:02.28 | wazd | bumps the skype video call question |
| 10:02.40 | loufoque | anyone has had any problems with the kernel-module-cifs package? I had an error during installation, and I get errors when I try to uninstall it as well, and the package stays installed |
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| 10:03.07 | zaheerm | so a friend of mine with a uk n900 tried a skype video call to a mac |
| 10:03.16 | zaheerm | it didn't work, whichever initiated the call |
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| 10:03.32 | wazd | timeless: new toolbar in the browser rocks :) |
| 10:04.02 | Treibholz | do I loose my settings when flashing the new image or should I wait for the OTA-update? |
| 10:04.12 | joppu | timeless_mbp: the new font rendering in the browser rocks too |
| 10:04.13 | lcuk | Treibholz, use the backup app |
| 10:04.39 | timeless_mbp | Treibholz: i will let loose my wrath upon thy representation if thy dost not lose that excess 'o' when thou next attempt to write 'lose' |
| 10:04.46 | valdyn | Treibholz: depends |
| 10:04.47 | Treibholz | lcuk: so I need to reinstall all packages? |
| 10:04.47 | timeless_mbp | s/will/shall/ |
| 10:04.48 | FIQ | [11:52:11] <valdyn> FIQ: no? |
| 10:04.58 | FIQ | just what i though |
| 10:05.05 | Treibholz | timeless_mbp: I am sooooo sorry. |
| 10:05.13 | FIQ | hmm |
| 10:05.16 | chadi | should I download both fiasco and vanilla images to reflash emmc, one on eis the subset of another? |
| 10:05.24 | valdyn | Treibholz: you lose settings from some 3rd party applications |
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| 10:05.32 | timeless_mbp | Treibholz: historically depressing anecdote : the "tetris" clone used to say "Game Over You Loose" |
| 10:05.43 | timeless_mbp | which is basically a good way to call 50% of the population a slut |
| 10:05.51 | sejo | bleh can't upgrade have a preproduction one |
| 10:05.52 | jaska | :D |
| 10:05.54 | timeless_mbp | (well, one doesn't typically call men sluts, so...) |
| 10:06.04 | TomaszD | is PR1.2 out yet? |
| 10:06.06 | TomaszD | ;) |
| 10:06.11 | DokterW | wutr: That works fine if I want to start an application, but not so well if I want to launch a specific URL as MicroB, for some odd reason, wants to launch the bookmarks window each time. |
| 10:06.13 | Treibholz | timeless_mbp: really, I felt embarrassed, as soon, as I read what I wrote... |
| 10:06.13 | frals | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 10:06.14 | joppu | :D |
| 10:06.18 | frals | ~curse hildon-live-search |
| 10:06.34 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, hildon-live-search ! |
| 10:06.54 | pupnik | and javascript text entry |
| 10:07.06 | timeless_mbp | Treibholz: as you can see, the bot here supports a limited 's/ooops/oops/' notation, so you can express your embarrassment by trying to correct your most recently written line :) |
| 10:07.16 | timeless_mbp | but it's ok :) |
| 10:07.32 | DokterW | wutr: I have also had no luck in finding .desktop file for bookmark shortcuts on the desktop. I have looked in /usr/share /etc and /home/user. must be in some conf file somewhere that I have not stumbled across, yet. |
| 10:07.42 | lcuk | i wonder whether i should update |
| 10:07.44 | timeless_mbp | DokterW: /usr/bin/browser âurl whatever doesn't do what you want? |
| 10:08.16 | frals | lcuk: you should explain to me why i need to do raise TypeError("whatever") for my ctypes to start working properly |
| 10:08.17 | jaska | your client turns two - into a long dash? |
| 10:08.20 | timeless_mbp | kicks ham for being unbearably slow |
| 10:08.22 | DokterW | timeless_mbp: that works great, but it still, for some odd reason, opens the bookmark window too. :( |
| 10:08.30 | timeless_mbp | jaska: either my client or my os, not quite sure which :) |
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| 10:08.44 | timeless_mbp | DokterW: bugs.maemo.org has a 'Browser' product |
| 10:08.48 | chadi | should I download both fiasco and vanilla images to reflash emmc, or one is the subset of another? |
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| 10:09.08 | jaska | chadi: different parts, neither is a subset of either |
| 10:09.11 | timeless_mbp | if you can't find a bug complaining about that behavior, feel free to file one, be sure to include the command line you're using, your preconditions (no open windows) and your expected results :) |
| 10:09.18 | chadi | jaska: thank you |
| 10:09.20 | timeless_mbp | (and actual results...) |
| 10:09.52 | timeless_mbp | chadi: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use them :) |
| 10:09.52 | wutr | chadi: check the wiki about the firmware update and the eMMC part @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 10:09.52 | timeless_mbp | what's wrong w/ using SSU ? |
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| 10:09.57 | wutr | DoktwerW: that's where my knowledge stops :P |
| 10:10.20 | chadi | i have directories that are duplicated in the file manager (and that lead to the same place), i'd like to get rid of that |
| 10:10.32 | timeless_mbp | chadi: if you mean the ones w/ pretty icons |
| 10:10.35 | DokterW | timeless_mbp: oki. thanks. |
| 10:10.38 | timeless_mbp | just ignore them |
| 10:10.46 | timeless_mbp | iirc updating doesn't fix that |
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| 10:11.06 | chadi | timeless_mbp: is that a bug? |
| 10:11.09 | FIQ | After this operation, 18,4MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 10:11.10 | lcuk | frals, mm? |
| 10:11.10 | FIQ | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 10:11.10 | FIQ | does that means |
| 10:11.19 | timeless_mbp | chadi: yes |
| 10:11.23 | FIQ | that i'm going to fill up root if i continue? |
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| 10:11.24 | FIQ | :p |
| 10:11.35 | chadi | timeless_mbp: oh, I thought I was the only one having this problem |
| 10:11.50 | chadi | fine, then. I'll flash fiasco image only |
| 10:11.59 | FIQ | hm, yep |
| 10:12.01 | FIQ | lol |
| 10:12.12 | timeless_mbp | chadi: again, why not let the system update over the air? |
| 10:12.19 | timeless_mbp | flashing should be a method of last resort |
| 10:12.32 | timeless_mbp | not a "ooh, i like burning down my house and starting over with a new prefab" |
| 10:12.34 | wazd | seriously, people :) Can anybody help me with skype video call? |
| 10:12.44 | timeless_mbp | wazd: eh? |
| 10:13.08 | wazd | timeless: how can I do this from n900? I don't have any visible option :( |
| 10:13.09 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 10:13.22 | FIQ | hmm |
| 10:13.27 | FIQ | looks like so |
| 10:13.33 | FIQ | need to clean up his rootfs |
| 10:13.37 | achipa | wazd: couldn't get it to work |
| 10:13.39 | chadi | timeless_mbp: I prefer that it wipes all my applications |
| 10:14.04 | achipa | wazd: it only appears in landscape and sometimes needs poking from the toolbar menu |
| 10:14.05 | timeless_mbp | chadi: well⦠if you *like* burning down your house, i guess you're free to do so |
| 10:14.13 | wazd | achipa: meh :D |
| 10:14.17 | chadi | timeless_mbp: heh |
| 10:14.18 | timeless_mbp | since it takes me over an hour to reinstall my apps, i'm not one of those pyro's |
| 10:14.31 | achipa | timeless_mbp: err, backup/flash/restore ? |
| 10:14.41 | timeless_mbp | achipa: the restore step is hardly fast |
| 10:14.44 | timeless_mbp | i did it last night |
| 10:14.50 | timeless_mbp | it didn't finish before i finished my dinner |
| 10:14.56 | achipa | well... depends on how many apps you have, I guess |
| 10:15.03 | timeless_mbp | that included giving it a head start while we walked along outside in the rain |
| 10:15.05 | achipa | or how fast you eat in that case :D |
| 10:15.13 | FIQ | Hm |
| 10:15.22 | timeless_mbp | achipa: i prefer to digest my dinner |
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| 10:15.33 | timeless_mbp | we weren't in a hurry to finish |
| 10:15.33 | FIQ | Is there a way to see what applications that places itself optified and which that doesn't? |
| 10:15.46 | timeless_mbp | i think we started around 7 or so |
| 10:15.50 | timeless_mbp | and ended around 9 |
| 10:15.55 | timeless_mbp | but my memory is bad |
| 10:15.57 | valdyn | FIQ: before or after pr1.2? |
| 10:15.59 | timeless_mbp | maybe it was 7:30 and 9 |
| 10:16.05 | FIQ | valdyn: before |
| 10:16.15 | FIQ | i'm preparing for OTA updating tomorrow |
| 10:16.19 | timeless_mbp | FIQ: before installing or after installing? |
| 10:16.25 | FIQ | and i've 6% of root free |
| 10:16.29 | FIQ | after installing |
| 10:16.29 | chadi | valdyn: what changed after PR1.2 converning optifying? |
| 10:16.42 | timeless_mbp | FIQ: 6% seems a bit low |
| 10:16.43 | valdyn | chadi: its pretty much automatic |
| 10:16.50 | FIQ | yes, it is |
| 10:16.56 | timeless_mbp | you don't really want to see what applications are optified |
| 10:16.59 | chadi | valdyn: k, thanks |
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| 10:17.07 | timeless_mbp | so much as which things are not optified and are taking up too much space |
| 10:17.08 | lardman | morning all |
| 10:17.19 | timeless_mbp | i'm sure someone wrote a script to do that |
| 10:17.21 | valdyn | chadi: that means that even non-optified apps should be covered and not take much in / |
| 10:17.35 | chadi | valdyn: that's great |
| 10:17.54 | FIQ | ok, and where can i find that script? |
| 10:18.18 | FIQ | i need more space but i don't want to uninstall everything at random. :å |
| 10:18.19 | FIQ | ;p* |
| 10:18.24 | ghostcube | is there any reproducable reason for none meego on n900, else than making provit with new devices? |
| 10:18.36 | chadi | timeless_mbp I used that script, and it bricked my device :) |
| 10:18.42 | FIQ | hm, that feeled iPhonestyle |
| 10:18.46 | FIQ | felt* |
| 10:19.00 | FIQ | "NO FEATURE FOR U, PLEASE CHANGE PHONE" |
| 10:19.02 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:19.03 | FIQ | lol |
| 10:19.34 | FIQ | Nice way to brick phones... |
| 10:19.39 | timeless_mbp | ooh, i just got email saying pr1.2 was approved |
| 10:19.48 | louigiverona | might be architecture problem with meego |
| 10:19.59 | ghostcube | its developed on n900 how should this come |
| 10:20.00 | joppu | http://joppu.22.fi/f/Screenshot-20100525-131447.png they removed the fake equalizer bars :D |
| 10:20.01 | valdyn | FIQ: http://pastebin.com/2i2VENtB |
| 10:20.17 | louigiverona | if not i think ppl will make it available anhway |
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| 10:20.25 | louigiverona | this is free soft |
| 10:20.29 | louigiverona | ware |
| 10:20.30 | TomaszD | joppu, yep, I suggested that actually :> |
| 10:20.31 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 10:20.41 | FIQ | *foss |
| 10:20.41 | joppu | there's now a play button with cicle thing rolling around |
| 10:20.41 | Shapeshifter | oh lol |
| 10:20.44 | wazd | I have video-calls option in contacts enabled, but still nothing |
| 10:20.45 | Shapeshifter | I'm late to the party |
| 10:20.55 | Shapeshifter | throws confetti |
| 10:21.04 | louigiverona | free as in freedom i meant |
| 10:21.09 | louigiverona | :) |
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| 10:21.28 | valdyn | wazd: nothing as in what? no video call button in each skype contact? |
| 10:21.44 | ghostcube | ok what is prefered flashing complete or do the i hack it do teath variant :D |
| 10:21.49 | wazd | valdyn: yep |
| 10:22.07 | timeless_mbp | wazd: i'm not sure 1.2 includes skype-video... |
| 10:22.23 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 10:22.26 | timeless_mbp | maybe it does :) |
| 10:22.27 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
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| 10:22.35 | wazd | timeless_mbp: well, it has an option :) |
| 10:22.38 | valdyn | leaked pr1.2 had it |
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| 10:22.51 | wazd | timeless_mbp: and it was mentioned in press release :) |
| 10:22.55 | achipa | it *says* it does, but I'm still waiting for confirmation as to what exactly is needed for it to work |
| 10:23.01 | achipa | as it seems to be a hit or miss |
| 10:23.10 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: just because a leaked version has a feature doesn't mean it'll ship |
| 10:23.17 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: yes, i know |
| 10:23.26 | crashanddie_ | so where can we see qt4.6 goodness? |
| 10:23.39 | timeless_mbp | qt.com? :) |
| 10:23.48 | mece | who asked about skype video? Anyway I have, in contacts with skype three options now instead of only two. Skype IM, Skype call and Skype video call |
| 10:23.57 | alterego | So, today is the second coming. Does dthat mean tomorrow is the apocolypse? @) |
| 10:24.01 | mece | okej |
| 10:24.05 | mece | ppås |
| 10:24.07 | mece | oops |
| 10:24.09 | mece | hee |
| 10:24.23 | Shapeshifter | mh. I can't find any info on how much space on rootfs is needed, or if it's even possible to "update" instead of reflash. |
| 10:24.38 | achipa | alterego: commercial support for the apocalypse has been cancelled due to user experience on resistive screens |
| 10:24.48 | mece | Shapeshifter, a bunch and yes :) |
| 10:24.58 | FIQ | hmm |
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| 10:25.16 | FIQ | it says "Command not found" when i try to run the shell script |
| 10:25.20 | Shapeshifter | prepares for breakage |
| 10:25.39 | lejonet | FIQ: The flasher? |
| 10:25.48 | FIQ | /bin/sh: ./freespace.sh: not found |
| 10:25.59 | lejonet | lol? |
| 10:26.06 | mece | FIQ, wtf? |
| 10:26.21 | FIQ | tabbing to it works fine |
| 10:26.24 | sx0n | does it have x bit? |
| 10:26.27 | FIQ | but it doesn't want to run |
| 10:26.27 | FIQ | yes |
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| 10:26.47 | sx0n | what about: sh -c ./freespace.sh |
| 10:26.51 | FIQ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 user users 692 2010-05-25 12:24 freespace.sh |
| 10:26.52 | crashanddie_ | what does it say? |
| 10:27.22 | FIQ | sh: ./freespace.sh: not found |
| 10:27.26 | sx0n | hm |
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| 10:27.57 | lcuk | FIQ, dos2unix - if you ever edited the file in windows potentially you have crlfs |
| 10:27.59 | crashanddie_ | and sh freespace.sh? |
| 10:28.01 | sx0n | no freespace ;) |
| 10:28.01 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping |
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| 10:28.12 | FIQ | [12:30:26] <lcuk> FIQ, dos2unix - if you ever edited the file in windows potentially you have crlfs |
| 10:28.15 | FIQ | i took it from pastebin |
| 10:28.15 | PhonicUK2 | my rootfs has 0b free and i cant find where the space has gone :\ |
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| 10:28.41 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:28.41 | crashanddie_ | so are there any apps that use qt 4.6 |
| 10:28.43 | FIQ | http://pastebin.com/2i2VENtB - from that |
| 10:28.45 | timeless_mbp | gets "(no applications") |
| 10:28.47 | lcuk | fiq via what means, just try it tho |
| 10:28.51 | timeless_mbp | s/")/)"/ |
| 10:29.15 | joppu | timeless_mbp: refresh the repos |
| 10:29.15 | lcuk | X-Fade, maemo.org news isnt chronological |
| 10:29.21 | FIQ | bleh |
| 10:29.21 | valdyn | FIQ: the file needs to be there obviously |
| 10:29.22 | FIQ | /bin/sh: dos2unix: not found |
| 10:29.24 | timeless_mbp | joppu: from the task launcher :) |
| 10:29.28 | FIQ | valdyn: it is |
| 10:29.29 | joppu | D: |
| 10:29.35 | FIQ | i can tab to it |
| 10:29.39 | FIQ | i see it in ls |
| 10:29.40 | FIQ | etc |
| 10:29.41 | X-Fade | lcuk: It isn't intended to be? |
| 10:29.42 | valdyn | FIQ: ls ./freespace.sh |
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| 10:29.54 | X-Fade | lcuk: it is sorted by relevance? |
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| 10:30.10 | midas_ | so, today and tomorrow there will be a new update :) |
| 10:30.28 | FIQ | [12:32:10] <valdyn> FIQ: ls ./freespace.sh |
| 10:30.29 | SpeedEvil | When is PR1.2 out (in the UK)? |
| 10:30.35 | FIQ | outputs ./freespace.sh |
| 10:30.36 | midas_ | today |
| 10:30.44 | midas_ | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ |
| 10:30.47 | Khertan | crashanddie, i ve problem installing pyqt on pr1.2 |
| 10:31.00 | valdyn | FIQ: then "sh ./freespace.sh" will work |
| 10:31.12 | valdyn | FIQ: but it will throw at least one error if you dont do this as root |
| 10:31.39 | FIQ | hm, then it actually tried to run it |
| 10:31.44 | FIQ | and, it outputted 2 |
| 10:31.44 | FIQ | try to runa s root |
| 10:31.50 | lcuk | Khertan, try installing healthcheck |
| 10:31.57 | FIQ | hmm |
| 10:31.59 | lcuk | it works on pr1.2 (i know ive had it for a while) |
| 10:32.02 | FIQ | wait a bit |
| 10:32.03 | sx0n | there was pretty cool video of roller coaster |
| 10:32.06 | FIQ | i'm already rppt |
| 10:32.07 | valdyn | FIQ: cant do anything useful when not run as root |
| 10:32.08 | FIQ | root* |
| 10:32.10 | lcuk | then check what its dependencies are |
| 10:32.12 | FIQ | lol |
| 10:32.18 | FIQ | "#" @ PS1 |
| 10:32.27 | Khertan | lcuk, it use only some modules of pyqt 4.6 |
| 10:32.33 | SpeedEvil | Any common 'the upgrade will brick your device if you've done foo' stories? |
| 10:32.42 | SpeedEvil | midas_: Ah! |
| 10:32.48 | SpeedEvil | midas_: _now_ I understand the delay. |
| 10:32.50 | midas_ | meh, tomorrow a update, better update all my extra-devel crap :P |
| 10:32.53 | FIQ | : not found.sh: line 5: |
| 10:32.57 | FIQ | line 5 is empty |
| 10:32.59 | SpeedEvil | midas_: Everyone was waiting for the UK release to be ready. |
| 10:33.20 | valdyn | FIQ: sounds like you have dos2unix issues ? |
| 10:33.30 | valdyn | FIQ: borked cut & paste |
| 10:33.33 | midas_ | yep, global wont be to tomorrow SpeedEvil |
| 10:33.49 | mikki-kun | hm, can anybody tell me how i can make a video-call to a contact via skype? (it is at least advertised) |
| 10:33.54 | Khertan | lcuk, i ve just create a new dist in my repository : fremantle-1.2 :) |
| 10:33.56 | FIQ | dos2unix didn't run |
| 10:34.02 | FIQ | "dos2unix: not found" |
| 10:34.09 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 10:34.15 | achipa | mikki-kun: make a call and pick video call from the toolbar menu |
| 10:34.18 | timeless_mbp | what the heck is going on here? |
| 10:34.26 | valdyn | FIQ: get the file straight: "http://valdyn.org/optify.sh" ( and click through the silly ssl warnings ) |
| 10:34.30 | PhonicUK2 | hmm, its probably easier to backup and reflash rather than try and upgrade in place |
| 10:34.33 | valdyn | FIQ: get the file straight: "https://valdyn.org/optify.sh" ( and click through the silly ssl warnings ) |
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| 10:34.38 | valdyn | FIQ: first url was wrong |
| 10:34.44 | PhonicUK2 | does /home/ get removed when you reflash? |
| 10:34.45 | midas_ | whaaat |
| 10:34.57 | midas_ | that rollercoaster game is epic! |
| 10:34.59 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK2: no |
| 10:35.06 | PhonicUK2 | cool |
| 10:35.07 | FIQ | i think MyDocs is keeped |
| 10:35.25 | FIQ | ah, SpeedEvil gave a better answer |
| 10:36.01 | ZogG_N900 | midas_, is it on ovi already? |
| 10:36.15 | PhonicUK2 | whats the easiest way to reflash from windows? |
| 10:36.18 | PhonicUK2 | can PC suite do it? |
| 10:36.21 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK2: Only stuff in / is there |
| 10:36.29 | PhonicUK2 | ok |
| 10:36.31 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK2: Wait till you get the over-the-air update? |
| 10:36.34 | midas_ | ZogG_N900: dunno, watched the movie just yet |
| 10:36.39 | mece | I recommend just following the instructions here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing |
| 10:36.40 | ZogG_N900 | PhonicUK2, to install ubuntu and reflash |
| 10:36.42 | SpeedEvil | Only the stuff in / is removed, rather |
| 10:36.44 | PhonicUK2 | the OTA update is causing hell |
| 10:36.44 | midas_ | and will be waiting for over the air |
| 10:36.54 | PhonicUK2 | because ive run out of space on root |
| 10:36.55 | ZogG_N900 | midas_, the movie is old |
| 10:37.08 | Khertan | OUCH ! KhtEditor works very well on PR1.2 ... it s fast ! |
| 10:37.16 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK2: Worked for me - with 45m free |
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| 10:37.27 | PhonicUK2 | i started with about 32MB free |
| 10:37.28 | PhonicUK2 | now i have 0 |
| 10:37.50 | mece | is khtEditor like pygtkeditor but qt? |
| 10:37.53 | Khertan | yep :) |
| 10:37.56 | mece | nice |
| 10:37.57 | Khertan | but will be better |
| 10:38.00 | FIQ | ty |
| 10:38.03 | mece | what's your repo again? |
| 10:38.05 | Khertan | pluggin support |
| 10:38.14 | Khertan | mece, still not available yet as binary |
| 10:38.20 | mece | ok |
| 10:38.21 | Khertan | as many things are still missing |
| 10:38.26 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK2: Trust nokia. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46SgIBpQ-Q |
| 10:38.38 | FIQ | but... if that does what i think it do, why did Nokia put it in rootfs? |
| 10:38.41 | ZogG_N900 | where is flash |
| 10:38.46 | Khertan | but you can follow dev and particip if you want on http://gitorious.org/khteditor/ |
| 10:38.48 | ZogG_N900 | give it to me |
| 10:38.49 | PhonicUK2 | I don't trust nokia, and i work for them :P |
| 10:39.02 | FIQ | in first place i mean |
| 10:39.44 | Khertan | currently there is hilighting for Python only, auto rotation is working, also indent/unindent, comment, save, open, save as, new ... what are missing is preferences |
| 10:39.51 | Khertan | recent files |
| 10:40.04 | Khertan | execute |
| 10:40.12 | Khertan | and hilight for other language |
| 10:40.16 | ZogG_N900 | PhonicUK2, work as? |
| 10:40.24 | Khertan | once this done i think i ll made a first 0.0.1 version |
| 10:40.27 | PhonicUK2 | Software engineer, but nothing to do with handsets |
| 10:40.46 | Khertan | after that i ll work plugin ... like a syntax checker |
| 10:40.47 | mece | ZogG_N900, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing |
| 10:40.54 | Khertan | and maybe pylint integration |
| 10:41.00 | ZogG_N900 | PhonicUK2, what kind of software if it's not a secret? |
| 10:41.04 | achipa | Khertan: I don't bloody believe it - they just chucked out qtscript |
| 10:41.11 | mece | Khertan sounds cool. I'm pretty happy with pygtkeditor, but it gets a little slow with big files. |
| 10:41.13 | joppu | http://joppu.22.fi/f/vidyacall.png |
| 10:41.25 | achipa | cool. Let's rewrite shepherd one more time... GRRRR |
| 10:41.29 | Khertan | achipa, :) |
| 10:41.30 | PhonicUK2 | a piece of software we use internally for the quality control process surrounding the subscriber data management team |
| 10:41.38 | SpeedEvil | ponders filing the bug 'Video call makes me look ugly'. |
| 10:41.47 | joppu | Gtalk video is working quite nicely |
| 10:41.48 | mece | joppu, I couldn't get videocall to work from my N900 to friends mac. |
| 10:41.58 | mece | on skype |
| 10:42.00 | Khertan | achipa, anyway i install py-qt4-gui and py-qt4-core it s currently the only module i use in khteditor |
| 10:42.12 | ZogG_N900 | mece, say what? |
| 10:42.13 | mece | it seemed fine from my side, but the other part didn't see a picture |
| 10:42.25 | PhonicUK2 | how can i find out where space on / has gone? |
| 10:42.31 | mece | ZogG_N900, sorry, missunderstood |
| 10:42.44 | ZogG_N900 | ) |
| 10:42.51 | cehteh | PhonicUK2: du -x / | sort -rn >,lst |
| 10:42.54 | achipa | Khertan: that's not the problem, the point is that libqt4-maemo5 HAD those modules. I mean, what next ? Will they toss out webkit on networking in PR1.3? |
| 10:42.55 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK2: unmount other filesystems - take the back off - and then find / -size +100k -mtime -2 |
| 10:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Oh - stupid busybox. |
| 10:43.05 | achipa | s/on/or/ |
| 10:43.37 | Shapeshifter | I strongly doubt there will be a 1.3 |
| 10:43.46 | ZogG_N900 | achipa, is there pr1.2 |
| 10:43.59 | ZogG_N900 | pr1.3 |
| 10:44.03 | ZogG_N900 | i meant |
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| 10:44.21 | SpeedEvil | It would have been lovely if there was a 'So, you're contemplating using library 'x' on your software' page. Which listed libraries, and their possible already-on-device variants. |
| 10:44.30 | achipa | no idea, just saying 'next PR' |
| 10:44.40 | mikki-kun | hm, skype video call is really buggy |
| 10:44.57 | mikki-kun | and no, i can't see my video being sent |
| 10:45.04 | ZogG_N900 | achipa, there would be no next pr |
| 10:45.36 | ZogG_N900 | meego not comming as well |
| 10:45.41 | ZogG_N900 | it's funny |
| 10:45.44 | achipa | ZogG_N900: if they keep on removing packages that ARE going to be in meego it might be an advantage |
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| 10:46.02 | wazd | there will be no 1.3 unfortunately |
| 10:46.07 | achipa | ZogG_N900: there is no spoon |
| 10:46.35 | Shapeshifter | and no cake |
| 10:46.39 | lcuk | really wazd how do you know? |
| 10:46.41 | SpeedEvil | has spoon. |
| 10:46.47 | lejonet | Shapeshifter: The cake is a lie anyway |
| 10:46.47 | pexi | when teh meego phone is coming? |
| 10:46.49 | ZogG_N900 | we r doomed |
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| 10:47.17 | ZogG_N900 | how old is nexus one? |
| 10:47.21 | FIQ | hmm |
| 10:47.31 | FIQ | performance issuces |
| 10:47.34 | wazd | lcuk: well, let's say "I was told" :P |
| 10:47.35 | odin_ | so the "supported" software/upgrade lifecycle for N900 is 6 months ? and I thought mobile purchases were a 2 year consumable, I suppose its one way to ensure the user base buys another one, ha ha |
| 10:47.39 | FIQ | whatever, guess i will get rid of it soon |
| 10:47.50 | FIQ | nice with a lot of space in root fried. :p |
| 10:47.56 | zaheerm | why all this speculation about no support for n900? |
| 10:48.04 | lcuk | indeed |
| 10:48.10 | Stskeeps | zaheerm: PR1.2 came out with 'no commercial support of meego for n900' |
| 10:48.15 | FIQ | [12:50:04] <odin_> so the "supported" software/upgrade lifecycle for N900 is 6 months ? and I thought mobile purchases were a 2 year consumable, I suppose its one way to ensure the user base buys another one, ha ha |
| 10:48.16 | crashanddie_ | because most people are whiny bitches |
| 10:48.24 | ZogG_N900 | because of the nokia policy |
| 10:48.25 | FIQ | there has been 4 upgrades for Maemo |
| 10:48.26 | mikki-kun | hm, no, video call is not working with skype... |
| 10:48.29 | zaheerm | i know people working on maemo 5 still so there is definitely support |
| 10:48.29 | odin_ | well its not entirely speculation, ah Stskeeps beat me to it ^^^^ |
| 10:48.30 | *** part/#maemo ZogG_N900 (~user@192.118.11.124) |
| 10:48.31 | Shapeshifter | is anyone surprised? |
| 10:48.36 | FIQ | not counting the prereleases |
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| 10:48.47 | PhonicUK2 | this sucks |
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| 10:48.50 | PhonicUK2 | im gna have to reflash |
| 10:48.51 | joppu | nice, the facebook chat account just duplicated all my contacts !? |
| 10:48.51 | FIQ | meh |
| 10:48.54 | wazd | but lets return to the video call case :) |
| 10:49.00 | zaheerm | just because meego is not commerically released for n900 doesn't mean we end with PR1.2 |
| 10:49.01 | FIQ | MeeGo is pretty much open source |
| 10:49.05 | loufoque | how can I install Microsoft fonts on maemo? |
| 10:49.06 | wazd | joppu: you have done it as I see? |
| 10:49.07 | dabelhotel | mikki-kun: skype video is working for me |
| 10:49.12 | FIQ | people will hack it in, be sure with that. :) |
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| 10:49.30 | joppu | isn't there any script to merge contact with identical names? |
| 10:49.33 | mikki-kun | dabelhotel: hm... funny, cause i tried now 3 versions of skype |
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| 10:49.39 | wazd | dabelhotel: do you have dedicated option to video call along with chat and phone call? |
| 10:49.42 | mikki-kun | windows version, linux and the n900's |
| 10:49.42 | odin_ | has faith in the MeeGo N900 adaptation team |
| 10:49.50 | ZogG_N900 | joppu, there was some article about it |
| 10:50.13 | mikki-kun | every time i start the n900's video call i can't send/receive video |
| 10:50.20 | ZogG_N900 | odin_, not the same |
| 10:50.23 | PhonicUK2 | thats weird |
| 10:50.25 | dabelhotel | wazd: i video called the n900 from windows, then the video option button appeared after accepting the call |
| 10:50.33 | ZogG_N900 | it's cool when device is kinda computer |
| 10:50.33 | PhonicUK2 | i turned off my N900 and now its got a progress bar going across the screen? |
| 10:50.35 | PhonicUK2 | whats it doing? |
| 10:50.36 | mece | dabelhotel, from what to what are you skype video calling? |
| 10:50.55 | dabelhotel | mece: windows 7, latest skype version |
| 10:51.06 | ZogG_N900 | but to have support is good feeling |
| 10:51.08 | odin_ | FIQ, 4 upgrades, sure you make it sound good, the number of upgrades is higher than 4 if your count every change and this is good, but putting a product that has a 1 to 2 years MINIMUM lifetime on back burner within 6 months of it FIRST going on sale, is not good |
| 10:51.11 | mece | ok, anyone got N900-mac skype video calling working? |
| 10:51.12 | PhonicUK2 | "Nokia updater service is unavailable" ... |
| 10:51.13 | ZogG_N900 | mikki-kun, u have bad karma |
| 10:51.15 | PhonicUK2 | facking nokia |
| 10:51.38 | mece | PhonicUK2, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:51.47 | PhonicUK2 | just trying to upgrade to pr 1.2 |
| 10:51.51 | PhonicUK2 | but my phone is doing a funny |
| 10:51.52 | zaheerm | mece, it failed for my mate who has a uk phone |
| 10:52.01 | dabelhotel | mece: i'll try mac now |
| 10:52.02 | FIQ | Hm |
| 10:52.12 | odin_ | ZogG_N900, yes I understand its not the same and agree, but its the best we get and sometime one can have more faith in oneself than the current vison of the Nokia corp entity |
| 10:52.13 | FIQ | Why does UK get it before everyone else? |
| 10:52.17 | mece | zaheerm, same for me.. well I called friends mac, and it seemed fine from my side but he didn't see pic. |
| 10:52.19 | midas_ | odin_: you sould supprised? |
| 10:52.20 | FIQ | is there a logic behind it? |
| 10:52.26 | midas_ | sound even |
| 10:52.42 | Shapeshifter | uhm |
| 10:52.46 | ZogG_N900 | odin_, if specifications and drivers would go open |
| 10:52.47 | pupnik | why cant we manually assist the gps lock? |
| 10:52.48 | achipa | mece: n900-n900 works, n900-windows works, n900-linux doesn't (for skype) |
| 10:52.49 | wazd | dabelhotel: oh |
| 10:52.51 | mece | FIQ, everyone has it. OTA doesn't go all at once, and UK got delayed last time, so it's only fair. |
| 10:52.58 | midas_ | havent you checked the n8xx or n7xx development? |
| 10:53.01 | FIQ | ah |
| 10:53.06 | achipa | linux buddies are too painful to look at apparently |
| 10:53.15 | wazd | dabelhotel: can't do that currently, but I thought one-way call would work as well |
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| 10:53.41 | odin_ | well I am in the UK (with a UK/NL edition of N900) but its not on my update radar just yet |
| 10:53.45 | FIQ | just asked if there was a logic behind it, i'm fine with waiting 1 more day. :P |
| 10:53.53 | Shapeshifter | So. I had to uninstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr to install the qt 4.6 from the SDK repo to be productive. now it seems like I can't oft update because it doesn't find the update. any hints? |
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| 10:54.27 | mece | achipa, is there skypo vid on linux? (besides on N900)? |
| 10:54.35 | ZogG_N900 | Shapeshifter, to wait |
| 10:54.38 | midas_ | Shapeshifter: use the flasher? |
| 10:54.45 | mikki-kun | achipa: n900-windows does not work for me... |
| 10:54.49 | achipa | mece: yes ? on 2.0+ |
| 10:54.50 | ZogG_N900 | mece, sure |
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| 10:55.03 | joppu | this http://maemo.org/packages/view/fb-migrator/ ? |
| 10:55.10 | crashanddie_ | confirmed, skype video call doesn't work with mac either |
| 10:55.12 | Shapeshifter | ZogG_N900: I thought I'll not be notified because I don't have mp-fremantle-generic-pr anymore anyway. |
| 10:55.18 | ZogG_N900 | haha |
| 10:55.20 | achipa | mikki-kun: not saying it ALWAYS works, but I have 7 out of 7 fails for linux people |
| 10:55.22 | Shapeshifter | midas_: the wiki talks about some flasher.exe. I'm on linux. |
| 10:55.27 | mece | achipa, so that doesn't work. and apparently not on mac either.. or? |
| 10:55.34 | mikki-kun | achipa: well, linux-n900 does also not work |
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| 10:55.42 | Shapeshifter | midas_: oh nevermind |
| 10:55.49 | ZogG_N900 | Shapeshifter, do u have app manager? |
| 10:55.53 | mikki-kun | i mean, what do we have video-calls for if it is that buggy? |
| 10:55.55 | achipa | mikki-kun: the direction is irrelevant |
| 10:56.03 | achipa | n900-linux or linux-n900, it's the same |
| 10:56.10 | mikki-kun | yeah... just typing linux was "faster" for me ;) |
| 10:56.19 | dabelhotel | wazd: yup, not working with a mac |
| 10:56.22 | crashanddie_ | achipa: actually it's not irrelevant |
| 10:56.33 | achipa | crashanddie_: care to explain ? |
| 10:56.44 | ZogG_N900 | mikki-kun, u want video call? buy new N and MAYBE U get it |
| 10:56.47 | achipa | (I did test both) |
| 10:57.00 | mikki-kun | what should i buy new?! |
| 10:57.05 | SpeedEvil | wonders what the state of N900s in the supply chain is. |
| 10:57.16 | SpeedEvil | When did they start coming with pr1.1.1 |
| 10:57.27 | ZogG_N900 | i hate google |
| 10:57.30 | FIQ | i got mine with 1.1.0 |
| 10:57.34 | crashanddie_ | achipa: skype supports multiple clients connected at the same time, thus each capability is advertised differently |
| 10:57.37 | ZogG_N900 | i love nokia devices |
| 10:57.52 | ZogG_N900 | but i hate nokia suppport. and i love google suppport |
| 10:58.08 | odin_ | ZogG_N900, Nokia support is better than Vodafone support ! |
| 10:58.14 | FIQ | make them merge! |
| 10:58.16 | ZogG_N900 | haha |
| 10:58.17 | FIQ | lol |
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| 10:58.23 | ZogG_N900 | it's different things |
| 10:58.32 | lcuk | wazd ask your little contact person to speak to others inside nokia then (he can even speak to me there) and lets set him straight :) |
| 10:58.48 | crashanddie_ | achipa: I can call a mac using the video call button (skype), it shows my video, but mac client doesn't get it/display it. Mac calls n900, and video option doesn't appear |
| 10:58.49 | Shapeshifter | can I read the imei out of some file in /proc or something? |
| 10:58.55 | odin_ | Mobile Network Operators just want to sign you up and f**k you off for 24months, they dont care about software support |
| 10:59.02 | FIQ | interesting way the application manager works |
| 10:59.06 | Tuukka | Anyone have a problem with the lens cover becaming loose? The black part is coming of the blue part. :S |
| 10:59.06 | crashanddie_ | shapeshifter: settings/about product |
| 10:59.19 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie_: I know. was asking about the cli though |
| 10:59.20 | mikki-kun | Shapeshifter: IMEI can be seen if you go to "settings ---> about product" |
| 10:59.21 | FIQ | first it updates, showing packages, then it update again... |
| 10:59.37 | odin_ | and these days, software support is a much more major issue to me in the buying process, since mobiles could finally do things I wanted |
| 10:59.41 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Or if you pop the battery, and look under it |
| 10:59.44 | ZogG_N900 | lcuk, anyway maybe we get small fixes |
| 10:59.52 | crashanddie_ | shapeshifter: doubtful, you have to query the phone module for that stuff |
| 11:00.00 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: i assumed that he doesn't want to take the battery out |
| 11:00.05 | wazd | lcuk: sure I will :D |
| 11:00.07 | SpeedEvil | Tuukka: You can buy the cover seperately. |
| 11:00.07 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie_: ohkay thanks |
| 11:00.25 | SpeedEvil | Tuukka: Also - I'm not sure if that would be covered by warranty |
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| 11:01.07 | achipa | crashanddie: well, the linux client get no video buttons regardless if it is the caller or the callee... which is funny as there IS a cam drawn next to my N900 |
| 11:01.16 | lcuk | and wazd also, one of my contacts says you smell like mouldy kippers ;) should i start telling everyone that :P |
| 11:01.18 | mece | hee |
| 11:01.19 | joppu | I just discovered the long-press on the keyboard! |
| 11:01.28 | mece | joppu what does that do+ |
| 11:01.30 | mece | ? |
| 11:01.33 | mece | fn-key? |
| 11:01.38 | ZogG_N900 | long press |
| 11:01.52 | FIQ | ah |
| 11:01.55 | mikki-kun | sticky fn i suppose |
| 11:01.58 | crashanddie_ | oh, nice |
| 11:01.59 | FIQ | rhat thing |
| 11:02.03 | mece | sweet |
| 11:02.04 | FIQ | with t |
| 11:02.12 | FIQ | how did i turn it off? |
| 11:02.21 | FIQ | when i get PR1.2 i mean |
| 11:03.05 | mikki-kun | hmpf... it seems pr 1.2 made my apps rock-solid... ince started up i can't close em >.< |
| 11:03.08 | ZogG_N900 | it's all conspiracy |
| 11:03.09 | mikki-kun | *once |
| 11:03.13 | wazd | lcuk: well, I knew that brits have very sophisticated sense of humor, so nothing wrong here I guess |
| 11:03.18 | Tuukka | SpeedEvil, somehow the spring inside has gotten loose and now it's pushing the plate apart :/ |
| 11:03.23 | ZogG_N900 | where is escape plan? |
| 11:03.24 | crashanddie_ | anyone remember the qt 4.6 videos, demoing all the nice scrolling and such? any app that leverages that? |
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| 11:03.58 | lcuk | raises a glass to wazd |
| 11:04.04 | lcuk | hows matrix stuff going |
| 11:04.05 | ZogG_N900 | my battery is going low |
| 11:04.10 | lcuk | and have you got ogl working for it yet |
| 11:04.40 | achipa | crashanddie_: I Are you talking about qt4.6 or QML ? |
| 11:04.48 | crashanddie_ | wazd: sophisticated humour? when beckham started dating victoria, the crowds were chanting "oy beckham, does she take it up the arse?" hardly sophisticted |
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| 11:05.10 | crashanddie_ | s/ticted/ticated |
| 11:05.19 | achipa | crashanddie_: there are places in the world where it could count as such :S |
| 11:05.20 | Tuukka | Seems like someone ha had similar problems with the lens cover http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48345 |
| 11:05.51 | wazd | crashanddie: that sounds more irish :D |
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| 11:06.02 | lcuk | ZogG_N900, with a stable OS updates dont need to be revolutionary, they need to support a decent stable of your apps - people dont rejoice because notepad got recompiled |
| 11:06.23 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Do you have any proof one way or the other? |
| 11:06.45 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: notepad got recompiled???? OMG that's excellent! |
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| 11:06.47 | lcuk | :D |
| 11:06.54 | lcuk | you know what i mean :p |
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| 11:07.06 | lcuk | knows of at least 1 bug in pr1.2 o_O |
| 11:07.10 | crashanddie_ | speedevil: proof? |
| 11:07.25 | mikki-kun | lcuk: which one would it be? |
| 11:07.35 | sx0n | lcuk, it's not a bug if you don't reveal it. |
| 11:07.40 | jacekowski | ok |
| 11:07.46 | jacekowski | i need a new name for chromium |
| 11:07.49 | FIQ | lcuk: omg, we need to release PR1.2.1 now! |
| 11:08.01 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski: unobtainium |
| 11:08.04 | Noma | "write failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bulk_write: no error" when i'm trying to flash pr1.2? anyone know solution? |
| 11:08.06 | SpeedEvil | Woo! My phone vibrated, and is now berooting. |
| 11:08.06 | FIQ | quick, before anyone detects it |
| 11:08.07 | lcuk | sx0n, sure |
| 11:08.26 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: that might work |
| 11:08.29 | Treibholz | jacekowski: Manganese |
| 11:08.47 | jacekowski | Goldium |
| 11:08.48 | Treibholz | or Molybdenum |
| 11:08.53 | jacekowski | Platinium |
| 11:08.54 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski: AYCABTG |
| 11:09.01 | mikki-kun | why the heck do two "cp -r" kill my device, thus render it unusable for a few minutes?! |
| 11:09.11 | SpeedEvil | sees hands! |
| 11:09.12 | FIQ | How much space does 1.2 need for allowing OTA flashing? |
| 11:09.12 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski: all your cookies are belong to google |
| 11:09.24 | jacekowski | FIQ: shitloads |
| 11:09.33 | TriztFromWork | mikki-kun; too much disk I/O ? |
| 11:09.37 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: Worked for me, with 43488 blocks |
| 11:09.45 | jacekowski | FIQ: nobody managed to have that much space on rootfs |
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| 11:10.11 | Tuukka | Hmmm, i think i'll try to fix the lens cover by myself. The spring just has gotten off of it's "hook" |
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| 11:10.21 | mikki-kun | TriztFromWork: that can't be Ã.ö it's from internal eMMC to internal eMMC and and the files aren't too huge nor too small and too many |
| 11:10.22 | FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 166.3M 57.4M 74% / |
| 11:10.24 | FIQ | enough? |
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| 11:10.42 | alterego | Yeah, what's different about the eMMC image btw? |
| 11:11.05 | mikki-kun | i'll copy it with my notebook |
| 11:11.10 | crashanddie_ | alterego: probably some logos, legal or images, nothing important |
| 11:11.15 | mikki-kun | for christ's sake.... that is bad |
| 11:11.24 | crashanddie_ | ~emmcinfo |
| 11:11.48 | infobot | emmcinfo is, like, if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of. |
| 11:11.48 | alterego | crashanddie_: no new movie trailer then? |
| 11:11.49 | crashanddie_ | ~usuk |
| 11:11.51 | infobot | usuk is, like, you suck |
| 11:12.08 | crashanddie_ | ~thanks |
| 11:12.08 | infobot | sure thing, crashanddie_ |
| 11:12.20 | Noma | "write failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bulk_write: no error" when i'm trying to flash pr1.2? anyone know a solution? |
| 11:12.42 | sx0n | ~pr1.2 |
| 11:12.43 | infobot | somebody said pr1.2 was here |
| 11:12.48 | sx0n | heh |
| 11:13.03 | crashanddie_ | noma: version, os, etc, our balls ain't made out of crystal |
| 11:13.08 | Tuukka | ~pr1.3 |
| 11:13.09 | infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 11:13.27 | crashanddie_ | ~forget pr1.3 |
| 11:13.27 | infobot | i forgot pr1.3, crashanddie_ |
| 11:13.33 | SpeedEvil | Umm... |
| 11:13.46 | SpeedEvil | Nokia has the right to use your emails in adverts and other media? |
| 11:13.53 | Noma | crashanddie_: trying to install pr1.2, now there's leakware in |
| 11:13.56 | mikki-kun | pr 1.2 is so not cool -.- crashed now my device 3 times in a row -_- |
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| 11:14.24 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: where did you read that? Ã.ö |
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| 11:15.02 | SpeedEvil | 'However by submitting Material to the Service (ovi) you grant nokia a worldwide non-exclusive, assignable, fully paid, royalty free, perpetual and irrevocable license to ysem, copy,m publically perform, display, distribute and modify the Material, and to prepare derivitive works thereof... |
| 11:15.08 | crashanddie_ | ~forget pr1.2 |
| 11:15.08 | infobot | i forgot pr1.2, crashanddie_ |
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| 11:15.30 | Mobsan | ~pr1.2 |
| 11:15.36 | lcuk | Noma, reboot pc try again |
| 11:15.41 | mikki-kun | but only for ovi-things, right? |
| 11:16.00 | phellarv | Hey - I'm gonna flash my N900 with PR1.2 - Do I need to flash eMMC too? |
| 11:16.02 | Noma | lcuk: let's try |
| 11:16.19 | crashanddie_ | ~pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 11:16.20 | infobot | okay, crashanddie_ |
| 11:16.32 | phellarv | ~flashing |
| 11:16.33 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:16.33 | PhonicUK2 | its definately easier to backup & reflash :\ |
| 11:16.39 | PhonicUK2 | the OTA update completely killed my device |
| 11:16.54 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: As I read it that applies to mail.ovi.com too |
| 11:17.08 | wazd | oh, I've found a bug! You can't enter + into "mobile phone" field for your own card |
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| 11:17.21 | mikki-kun | so if i would use ovi to manage my mails i'd allow nokia to sniff in 'em? |
| 11:17.26 | mikki-kun | good that i am not using that |
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| 11:18.17 | crashanddie_ | mikki-kun, sure, because google, yahoo, microsoft or your IsP are so much better and trustworthy |
| 11:18.48 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: Oh - never mind - the terms are completely invalid on their face. |
| 11:19.17 | Shapeshifter | mhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:19.19 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: At the top 'These terms.... govern your use of the application or website where you saw them.' |
| 11:19.27 | Shapeshifter | I kinda never lose my stuff. but I can't find my micro usb cable. |
| 11:19.28 | Shapeshifter | awesome |
| 11:19.52 | mece | Shapeshifter, same thing happened to me. I borrowed from a friend |
| 11:19.53 | tybollt_ | SpeedEvil: meh - how comforting :S |
| 11:20.01 | Noma | lcuk: same errors after reboot |
| 11:20.06 | mikki-kun | hm... now anybody want to explain me why "mount" in xterm states me, that /home/user/MyDocs is rw, but if i wanna copy things it tells me it isn't? |
| 11:20.14 | Shapeshifter | mece: I guess I need to wait until tomorrow when I meet a friend |
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| 11:21.18 | mikki-kun | if i flash the emmc, i need to flash fiasco as well, right? |
| 11:21.31 | alterego | I wonder what's going to happen to the Legendary thread now :) |
| 11:21.36 | alterego | I guess PR1.3 ? |
| 11:21.45 | TomaszD | you need to flash fiasco and then emmc without rebooting mikki-kun |
| 11:21.50 | FIQ | or PR1.2.1 |
| 11:21.56 | TomaszD | so no "-R" flag for the FIASCO image |
| 11:22.00 | FIQ | @ alterego |
| 11:22.14 | phellarv | Anyone care to do a md5sum on their Global PR1.2? Just wanna make sure I don't got a faulty download. |
| 11:22.19 | mikki-kun | i was only wondering wether a broken eMMC could be flashed without killing the device... |
| 11:22.19 | Noma | where can i get the FIASCO image? the page with all the images doesn't have link for that |
| 11:23.03 | lcuk | alterego, nothing |
| 11:23.09 | mikki-kun | yeah, goddamn nokia makes so many "security" mechanisms in there that i need to reflash my device now -_- |
| 11:23.13 | phellarv | 561a95bced4e10b7e95d749c08d5c17d RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 11:23.15 | lcuk | did you see the montage shot of all pictures in first pages |
| 11:24.06 | Shapeshifter | phellarv: 561a95bced4e10b7e95d749c08d5c17d |
| 11:24.43 | phellarv | Shapeshifter: Thanks |
| 11:24.47 | Noma | can someone tell me what's the fiasco image and where can i get it? :D |
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| 11:25.11 | phellarv | Noma: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 11:25.45 | Noma | so does FIASCO mean the OS image? |
| 11:26.23 | Noma | for example RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
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| 11:26.23 | phellarv | Noma: Yep |
| 11:26.23 | noobmonk3y | waves |
| 11:26.23 | Noma | :/ |
| 11:26.24 | ghostcube | hi noobmonk3y :) |
| 11:26.24 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 11:26.24 | Noma | and that's what i'm not able to flash now |
| 11:27.11 | noobmonk3y | whos not able to flash what? way to many flashers around today ;) hehehe |
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| 11:27.37 | tybollt_ | has nothing in HAM |
| 11:27.39 | Noma | noobmonk3y: i get "wrote failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bluk_write: no error" when i try to flash pr1.2 |
| 11:27.45 | Noma | *write failed |
| 11:27.48 | tybollt_ | guess I'm being fucked by the geoip thing |
| 11:27.48 | PhonicUK2 | i flashed pr 1.2 no problem :) |
| 11:27.49 | Noma | *usb_bulk_write |
| 11:28.04 | PhonicUK2 | now to reinstall all my apps :\ |
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| 11:28.12 | noobmonk3y | noma - interesting one - the faile message can mean an error in the comman line run though |
| 11:28.25 | PhonicUK2 | I also can't remove some of the built in ones that you used to be able to remove |
| 11:28.28 | PhonicUK2 | facebook et al |
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| 11:28.37 | mikki-kun | Noma: is the md5 of the fiasco ok? |
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| 11:28.59 | Noma | i go check (the flashing machine is in different room) |
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| 11:30.22 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals with a trout |
| 11:30.32 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:30.35 | noobmonk3y | lols at the extra flashing machine isea |
| 11:30.42 | noobmonk3y | idea even* |
| 11:30.45 | frals | no more trouting, watching 24 series finale! |
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| 11:30.50 | noobmonk3y | OOooOOooo |
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| 11:30.55 | noobmonk3y | sounds thrilling |
| 11:31.05 | pupnik | such trash |
| 11:31.05 | Noma | noobmonk3y: my primary pc has 64-bit windows only, so i have to flash it with the 32-bit xp |
| 11:31.13 | noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 11:31.27 | PhonicUK | Noma, same here - so ive flashed it on my XP box at work xD |
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| 11:31.40 | bash247 | hey guys my n900 has been updating for the past 2+hours, is this normal? |
| 11:31.41 | noobmonk3y | needs to recover a corrupt excel 2007 file, using excel 2003 - any quick suggestions? :D |
| 11:31.43 | thresh | moo |
| 11:32.06 | noobmonk3y | compatability poack installed tho |
| 11:32.07 | Ikarus | bash247: that just depends on your connection :) |
| 11:32.08 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, you should use visicalc format |
| 11:32.14 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 11:32.44 | bash247 | Ikarus: its downloaded but its been up updating for ages |
| 11:32.59 | ghostcube | lcuk: no chance you can insert the office 2007 comp addon to 2003? |
| 11:33.06 | ghostcube | noobmonk3y: sorry |
| 11:33.07 | Noma | ok, quite stupid mistake from me, i had -k parameter instead of -F... just copypasted the line from a .txt file i made when i flashed the overclocking kernels... |
| 11:33.11 | lcuk | why are you asking me? :D |
| 11:33.22 | thresh | pr12 + overclocking == ? |
| 11:33.22 | ghostcube | weong tabbing lol |
| 11:33.23 | lcuk | i strongly dislike the later MS offices |
| 11:33.29 | lcuk | still has 2000 on his machines |
| 11:33.31 | achipa | Khertan: seems qttest+qtscript will be pushed by Nokia a bit later, so not much to do on my side, when they do it, it will be installable |
| 11:33.31 | noobmonk3y | Noma: told you so ;) |
| 11:33.36 | Noma | noobmonk3y: yup :D |
| 11:33.39 | noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 11:33.53 | noobmonk3y | thresh: i didnt tell you this - works fine |
| 11:34.05 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: have to admit loving 2010 |
| 11:34.18 | Shapeshifter | hates the fact that themes change the wallpapers |
| 11:34.21 | thresh | :) |
| 11:34.23 | Shapeshifter | how annoying is that |
| 11:34.24 | lcuk | 2010 is a good year |
| 11:34.35 | pupnik | agree |
| 11:34.37 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, mm? make your own theme :p |
| 11:34.43 | noobmonk3y | returns back to lcuk's offering - visicalc - wasn't/isn't that the oldest spreadsheet program around? |
| 11:34.46 | pupnik | but it isnt the year we make contact |
| 11:34.48 | pupnik | yet |
| 11:34.52 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, sure |
| 11:34.55 | lcuk | and its still runnable |
| 11:35.01 | noobmonk3y | took a while to catch up there |
| 11:35.03 | lcuk | 31 years old |
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| 11:35.18 | noobmonk3y | bearing in mind i was probably being born at the same time as visicalc |
| 11:35.22 | ghostcube | noobmonk3y: as is suggsted use the fomrat compatibility addon in 2003 for 2007 |
| 11:35.36 | noobmonk3y | i lie .... |
| 11:35.38 | ghostcube | woah my xchat sux |
| 11:35.39 | noobmonk3y | i was minus 2 years old |
| 11:35.44 | lcuk | if theres something microsoft used to do right, it was sorta backwards compatability |
| 11:35.48 | noobmonk3y | thanks ghostcube |
| 11:36.03 | noobmonk3y | doesnt know what that is but will investigatey |
| 11:36.14 | hrw | lcuk: m$ do good keyboard/mouses |
| 11:36.18 | ghostcube | noobmonk3y: its for using 2007 files in 2003 :D |
| 11:36.23 | ghostcube | and i must restart xchat brb |
| 11:36.23 | noobmonk3y | hrw: they did, you mean |
| 11:36.33 | lcuk | hrw sure, apart from one keyboard i got was totally broken |
| 11:36.37 | noobmonk3y | ghostcube: i have the compat pack installed, but looks corrupted |
| 11:36.44 | Ikarus | hmz, PR1.2 global release in repositories will be tomorrow |
| 11:36.44 | ghostcube | hmmmm |
| 11:36.44 | Ikarus | ? |
| 11:36.45 | lcuk | the keyboard was split in half |
| 11:36.51 | lcuk | my home keys were so far apart :D |
| 11:36.53 | ghostcube | damn cant se anything anyone types brb |
| 11:36.53 | PhonicUK | hmm, does PR1.2 take less space on / than previous versions? |
| 11:36.55 | hrw | noobmonk3y: I do not know do they do them still |
| 11:37.06 | hrw | noobmonk3y: I have 3 m$ keyboards and one mouse |
| 11:37.20 | noobmonk3y | hrw: true, but too expensive for what they are a 1.99 keyboard of ebay is just as good and functional |
| 11:37.31 | noobmonk3y | but gd point the basic ones are great |
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| 11:37.51 | Khertan | is a bit disappointed ... he have put too much hope in mfe fix with gmail |
| 11:37.57 | lcuk | hits noobmonk3y on the head with an IBM clicky |
| 11:38.07 | hrw | noobmonk3y: I user ergo ones only |
| 11:38.08 | lcuk | real keyboards have weight |
| 11:38.19 | noobmonk3y | oh lol - never got to grips with them |
| 11:38.24 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 11:38.27 | roquetto | re |
| 11:38.29 | hrw | noobmonk3y: RSI hurts |
| 11:38.36 | valdyn | Khertan: why dont you use the nokia push mail service with gmail? |
| 11:38.46 | roquetto | question: to use libosso-abook with Qt, must I load it with QLibrary or what? |
| 11:38.49 | pupnik | could we get maybe a meego device with rresistive screen? |
| 11:38.50 | SpeedEvil | wonders if people will ever read their terms and conditions before DISTRIBUTING THEM TO MILLIONS OF USERS. |
| 11:38.55 | noobmonk3y | that will be a weighty headache if i threw it at someone |
| 11:38.59 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 |
| 11:39.00 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: no ? |
| 11:39.00 | povbot` | Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. |
| 11:39.01 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
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| 11:39.06 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: i have a laptop from 1983 sitting on my desk ;) |
| 11:39.24 | Khertan | valdyn, ? |
| 11:39.32 | tybollt_ | frals? |
| 11:39.37 | Khertan | valdyn, how do this works ? |
| 11:39.52 | valdyn | Khertan: nokia collects your mail and pushes to your phone |
| 11:40.12 | Khertan | valdyn, and how to configure it ? |
| 11:40.40 | valdyn | Khertan: email.nokia.com, set up your accounts, then add your nokia messaging account to the n900 |
| 11:40.52 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: quite an interesting list of EULA problems |
| 11:41.03 | Khertan | oh i ll take a look ... thx |
| 11:41.03 | Ikarus | especially as I DO NOT want to accept the terms to the Ovi Store |
| 11:41.22 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: That was only the highlights - there were more |
| 11:41.30 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: It's not the ovi store |
| 11:41.33 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: and the private non-commercial purposes |
| 11:41.34 | Ikarus | WTF |
| 11:41.38 | Ikarus | ofcourse |
| 11:41.42 | valdyn | Khertan: im using it with one @gmail.com and one google hosted business domain and my private mail, so I know it works |
| 11:41.45 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: It's some poorly defined 'ovi services' thing |
| 11:41.51 | Ikarus | most of the EULA is quite invalid here |
| 11:41.58 | Ikarus | heck, EULAs are invalid here :) |
| 11:42.16 | Khertan | valdyn, as if i remember last time i check it wasn't compatible with n900 |
| 11:42.37 | valdyn | Khertan: no, it was compatible from n900 release |
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| 11:43.00 | Khertan | (was checked with a preproduction device :) ) |
| 11:43.01 | valdyn | Khertan: but its confusing that you dont have to get the nokia messaging client - It's built into n900 email client |
| 11:43.12 | Khertan | yep |
| 11:44.07 | Khertan | yep ... and i'm currently looking how to create an account |
| 11:44.09 | Khertan | it s strange |
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| 11:44.48 | valdyn | Khertan: yea, i think the web interface is retarded |
| 11:44.56 | valdyn | Khertan: but its good enough |
| 11:45.18 | Khertan | but they said me that the software is already on my n900 when i want to create an account |
| 11:45.31 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: it's always interesting though, EULA |
| 11:45.33 | Ikarus | s |
| 11:45.50 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: I mean it's not like they actually give legal powers to Nokia |
| 11:46.28 | Khertan | valdyn, so how to create it ? |
| 11:46.35 | Khertan | and where to configure it on n900 |
| 11:46.41 | Khertan | it s far from being clear |
| 11:46.53 | valdyn | Khertan: yea, it changed a little probably |
| 11:47.00 | valdyn | Khertan: not to the better |
| 11:47.25 | valdyn | Khertan: i just log in on web and add/modify email accounts |
| 11:47.41 | valdyn | Khertan: on the n900 you create a new email account and select nokia messaging provider |
| 11:48.45 | achipa | *IF* nokia messaging is available with your SIM (duh) |
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| 11:49.03 | valdyn | why would it be bound to a sim? |
| 11:49.06 | pigeon | so can one upgrade to 1.2 without reflashing yet? |
| 11:49.13 | Corsac | in uk yes |
| 11:49.14 | SpeedEvil | pigeon: UK peeps |
| 11:49.15 | Wolfie | if you're in uk |
| 11:49.22 | pigeon | oh |
| 11:49.26 | pigeon | and if not? |
| 11:49.27 | noobmonk3y | hmmmm was ovi store meant to get an improvement too? or still same old crap? |
| 11:49.31 | Wolfie | wait for tomorrow |
| 11:49.37 | valdyn | noobmonk3y: 27th |
| 11:49.38 | Tuukka | Fixed the lens cover! Hopefully the old glue will last, cause I didn't add any new. |
| 11:49.40 | pigeon | right, thanks. |
| 11:49.41 | Wolfie | noobmonk3y: on thursday, iirc |
| 11:49.45 | noobmonk3y | ahhhh cheers valdyn |
| 11:49.47 | noobmonk3y | thanks Wolfie |
| 11:49.49 | FauxFaux | ~/lc |
| 11:49.52 | FauxFaux | FAILED |
| 11:49.58 | Wolfie | waiting for that elusive angry birds level pack |
| 11:50.23 | Corsac | should we remove catorise before upgrading, btw? |
| 11:50.33 | Corsac | or will it cohabit with pr1.2 just fine? |
| 11:50.43 | X-Fade | Corsac: Works fine. |
| 11:53.16 | PhonicUK | does PR 1.2 have the skype video chat? |
| 11:53.20 | PhonicUK | if so, has anyone tried it? |
| 11:54.09 | timeless_mbp | well, i can see "Skype video call" on my n900 :) |
| 11:54.19 | PhonicUK | nice |
| 11:54.31 | PhonicUK | anyone wanna try device <-> device? |
| 11:54.32 | Tuukka | Some one wrote that it works nicely, it was in "are you satisfied with pr1.2" threat i think |
| 11:54.35 | Khertan | valdyn, didn't see any nokia messaging in isp list |
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| 11:55.09 | loufoque_maemo | xchat isn't exactly nice on maemo |
| 11:55.31 | lcuk | it works tho |
| 11:55.39 | lcuk | and each update it gets stable |
| 11:55.51 | lcuk | tweaked to be more stable |
| 11:56.00 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: nokia messaging is basically a deal between nokia and your cellular provider |
| 11:56.18 | timeless_mbp | if nokia hasn't made a deal w/ your provider, the option won't appear |
| 11:56.25 | loufoque_maemo | the default settings make it unusable |
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| 11:56.47 | timeless_mbp | when you try to create an account it will tell you something like "checking for messaging availability" |
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| 11:57.25 | marmoute | PR 1.2 is a lie |
| 11:57.32 | SouBE | yeah |
| 11:57.36 | PhonicUK | not in England its not :P |
| 11:57.45 | Khertan | timeless, oh ... didn't know ... thx ... |
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| 11:57.52 | noobmonk3y | not everywhere if you want to flash |
| 11:58.00 | noobmonk3y | i was on global and flashed to the new global version fine :D |
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| 11:58.07 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 11:58.11 | achipa | timeless_mbp: and if it has, then you can keep wondering why you STILL don't have it, as your provider and Nokia keep pointing fingers at each other :) |
| 11:58.12 | Khertan | timeless_mbp, they block pop3 and imap ... so why autorize other things :) |
| 11:58.19 | PhonicUK | whats the difference between the Global and country specific versions? |
| 11:58.23 | PhonicUK | is it just localization stuffs? |
| 11:58.34 | noobmonk3y | PhonicUK: very little at the moment :P |
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| 11:59.11 | timeless_mbp | achipa: that's where the fun is :) |
| 11:59.25 | PhonicUK | im glad i didn't get a network gimped handset :) |
| 11:59.34 | PhonicUK | debranding ftw on other units though :P |
| 11:59.44 | noobmonk3y | are there actually branded handsets now? |
| 11:59.51 | PhonicUK | yeah, Vodaphone I think |
| 12:00.04 | noobmonk3y | hmmm not seen any and was in a vodafone store last week - looked generic to me |
| 12:00.15 | noobmonk3y | aware they have firmware though |
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| 12:00.30 | Tuukka | looks ain't everything :) |
| 12:00.38 | PhonicUK | my N97 was a T-Mo gimped unit |
| 12:00.43 | PhonicUK | until I debranded it |
| 12:00.59 | PhonicUK | I don't think T-Mo have ever passed on a firmware upgrade in a reasonable time frame |
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| 12:06.44 | wutr | Hi! Why is the PR 1.2 for all regions available already, while nokia says it releases tomorrow (26 may)? (UK today, but I need the global one) |
| 12:07.18 | Wolfie | OTA is for UK only, comes for everyone else tomorrow |
| 12:07.24 | lcuk | some people are never happy, wutr if the update is ready 24hours before whats the issue? |
| 12:07.25 | Torne | wutr: because they haven't rolled out all the update packages for SSU yet. The firmware images are out for all regions, yes. |
| 12:07.27 | Wolfie | the flash image is available for eveyrone |
| 12:07.40 | wutr | haha not whining, just curious |
| 12:07.49 | wutr | maybe they mean the OTA update |
| 12:08.10 | wutr | SSU = ? |
| 12:08.10 | sx0n | they have DIY update for everyone |
| 12:08.11 | jacekowski | i'm officialy surprised |
| 12:08.14 | jacekowski | wutr: OTA |
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| 12:08.26 | jacekowski | that UK has something before rest of the world |
| 12:08.37 | timeless_mbp | ~ssu |
| 12:08.38 | infobot | [ssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 12:08.43 | timeless_mbp | ~ota |
| 12:08.46 | jacekowski | normally UK version was released later |
| 12:08.54 | jacekowski | ~ota is ssu |
| 12:08.55 | infobot | okay, jacekowski |
| 12:09.01 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: we had to make up for their previous disadvantaged state :) |
| 12:09.05 | wutr | thank you ;) |
| 12:09.05 | jacekowski | ~ota is ~ssu |
| 12:09.05 | infobot | ...but ota is already something else... |
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| 12:09.22 | SpeedEvil | ~ota |
| 12:09.23 | infobot | hmm... ota is ssu |
| 12:09.23 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 12:09.29 | SpeedEvil | ~ssu |
| 12:09.30 | infobot | from memory, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 12:09.54 | jacekowski | btw. my phone is just upgrading |
| 12:09.58 | jacekowski | s/phone/tablet/ |
| 12:10.01 | wutr | and the vanilla image, 10.2010.13-2, is that the one belonging to PR 1.2 as well? |
| 12:10.01 | mece | woo tmo down |
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| 12:10.22 | jacekowski | wutr: no |
| 12:10.25 | mece | oh it's back. just laggy |
| 12:10.26 | sx0n | ~dos |
| 12:10.27 | infobot | dos is, like, (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service... |
| 12:10.30 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 |
| 12:10.31 | povbot` | Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. |
| 12:10.43 | jacekowski | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:10.59 | mece | heey new record amount of users online. 2513 |
| 12:12.31 | wutr | jacekowski: that's the firmware itself right? but I thought there would be a new vanilla eMMC image as well.. |
| 12:13.11 | jacekowski | wutr: there is |
| 12:13.18 | jacekowski | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 12:13.25 | wutr | check :)! thanks |
| 12:13.48 | jacekowski | radio died |
| 12:13.51 | Corsac | hmhm, and during that time, repo.meego.com has seen quite some moves |
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| 12:18.37 | PhonicUK | aah so glad i reflashed :) |
| 12:18.47 | PhonicUK | 87MB free on rootfs without any messing around |
| 12:19.07 | SpeedEvil | checks his boogs. |
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| 12:19.48 | PhonicUK | where is the skype video call option? |
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| 12:21.14 | jacekowski | yeah, upgrade failed |
| 12:21.19 | jacekowski | on not enough space on / |
| 12:21.23 | TigerTael | Jesus, 1.2 finally came out |
| 12:21.25 | wutr | PhonicUK: read here earlier that it's only available in portrait mode and if still not >> options, or tap on it somewhere (?) |
| 12:22.12 | jacekowski | TigerTael: i was more likely to believe that jesus has walked on water rather than pr1.2 will came out |
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| 12:22.24 | TigerTael | haha |
| 12:22.29 | puzzled | lol |
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| 12:24.15 | TigerTael | So guys, is it AWESOME? :D |
| 12:24.23 | Oli``` | meh |
| 12:24.38 | BCMM | i'm reinstalling an arseload of applications |
| 12:24.40 | jaska | walking on water is easy |
| 12:24.44 | BCMM | then i will look for awesome |
| 12:24.47 | jaska | just wait for winter |
| 12:24.51 | thunderfest | looks like the opengl es packages are broken after upgrade to 1.2 |
| 12:24.58 | thunderfest | libgles1-sgx-img: Depends: opengles-sgx-img-common (= 0.20091104.6.1+0m5) but 0.20091104.34+0m5 is to be installed |
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| 12:25.05 | BCMM | is there a changelog, or does that not go with nokia's secrecy? |
| 12:25.25 | Oli``` | I keep hitting settings on the menu trying to click the old More link that doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:25.35 | jacekowski | ~pr.1.2 |
| 12:25.37 | jacekowski | ~pr1.2 |
| 12:25.38 | infobot | from memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 12:25.41 | asj_ | BCMM: there's normally a closed buglist |
| 12:25.43 | thunderfest | anyone else have brain party or Nehe tutorials fail to reinstall after upgrade? |
| 12:25.57 | summel | the backup application sys that my memory card is read only but it is not :O |
| 12:26.02 | BCMM | asj_: what about enhancements? |
| 12:26.15 | asj_ | BCMM: conversations.nokia.com |
| 12:26.19 | Oli``` | thunderfest: brainparty reinstalled fine here (from extras-devel) |
| 12:26.20 | X-Fade | thunderfest: Yes, that is a known issue. SDK team is looking at a fix. |
| 12:26.23 | BCMM | asj_: reading now |
| 12:26.26 | summel | what do i do nw? |
| 12:26.30 | loufoque | ~flashing |
| 12:26.30 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:26.32 | BCMM | i wonder if they fixed sync? |
| 12:26.35 | tekojo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 |
| 12:27.04 | BCMM | no meego for the n900? |
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| 12:27.24 | summel | BCMM: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ |
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| 12:27.34 | summel | :O |
| 12:27.36 | Corsac | 404 |
| 12:27.39 | summel | wtf |
| 12:27.50 | thunderfest | X-Fade: is there a page where I can check the status of the fix? |
| 12:27.56 | summel | all images are 404 |
| 12:28.01 | BCMM | summel: "Although Nokia N900 devices are being used for platform development and testing purposes by those involved in the MeeGo project, we donât have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900." |
| 12:28.02 | summel | netbook images als |
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| 12:28.07 | summel | release imminent? |
| 12:28.15 | summel | BCMM: so what? |
| 12:28.25 | summel | it will not come as an update |
| 12:28.28 | summel | but thats nothing new |
| 12:28.34 | wutr | PhonicUK: Maybe I meant landscape instead of portraid, don't remember what it was |
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| 12:28.41 | BCMM | i like the removal of the "more" thing on the menu |
| 12:28.46 | frals | woho Thanked: 1,000 times \o/ |
| 12:28.52 | summel | HOW DO I MAKE AN UPDATE????? |
| 12:29.13 | wutr | ~update |
| 12:29.14 | infobot | dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
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| 12:29.21 | summel | errr |
| 12:29.22 | wutr | lame |
| 12:29.23 | summel | backup |
| 12:29.24 | loufoque | does upgrading to 1.2 require flashing my device and erasing everything that is on it? |
| 12:29.26 | summel | not update |
| 12:29.27 | summel | :P |
| 12:29.35 | puzzled | capslock stuck? |
| 12:29.39 | summel | loufoque: no |
| 12:29.48 | loufoque | summel: how do I upgrade then? |
| 12:29.51 | Oli``` | loufoque: if you run a backup first, you can restore all the installed things after flashing |
| 12:29.57 | Oli``` | and most of the settings |
| 12:30.04 | summel | loufoque: wait for the device to tell you that there are updates |
| 12:30.05 | wutr | ~update firmware |
| 12:30.09 | summel | Oli```: backup does not work! |
| 12:30.11 | wutr | (lets see if that works) |
| 12:30.15 | Oli``` | summel: works for me |
| 12:30.17 | summel | it says my memory card is read only |
| 12:30.21 | loufoque | summel: it does, but it tells me I need to use some special PC software |
| 12:30.22 | summel | it worked for me before :( |
| 12:30.23 | loufoque | which of course I don't have |
| 12:30.34 | loufoque | special PC software = special windows software |
| 12:30.35 | wutr | loufoque: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 12:30.37 | Tuukka | ~flashing |
| 12:30.37 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:30.41 | summel | but my backup is old |
| 12:30.47 | wutr | aaah thanks Tuukka |
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| 12:30.52 | summel | and i want to mak a new one but it does not work |
| 12:30.53 | summel | -_- |
| 12:30.54 | loufoque | wutr: that does flash and erase everything. |
| 12:31.07 | crashanddie | why the hell did all the series finales suck this year? |
| 12:31.26 | thunderfest | X-Fade: is there a page where I can check the status of the opengl es fix? |
| 12:32.17 | X-Fade | thunderfest: Don't know. |
| 12:32.24 | wutr | loufoque: not if you don't flash eMMC I believe, but you can wait for the SSU (I learned something too today ;)) |
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| 12:33.54 | crashanddie | community -- became the show it wanted to be so satirical of. Bones -- parody of itself; uneventful and anticlimactic season finale case + no interesting b-line story arcs, nor surprises (everyone leaves for a year, ya-fucking-hoo). House -- uneventful and anticlimactic season-finale case. Lost (hated the show, and now I have half the fanbase agreeing with me: it sucked), 24 (admittedly, those two I'm not sad to see go. Lost an |
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| 12:35.04 | crashanddie | it's like all the writers are on strike, but they asked the cleaners to finish writing the stories. Or maybe the writers are actually trying to bore us to death. |
| 12:35.19 | SpeedEvil | Wacky. Front-cam is not completely shit. |
| 12:35.30 | noobmonk3y | kicks frals in the shins |
| 12:35.43 | lcuk | crashanddie, they were on strike |
| 12:35.48 | lcuk | tv hasnt gained its momentum since |
| 12:35.58 | crashanddie | some shows did |
| 12:36.08 | crashanddie | Some shows handled the mid-season break very nicely |
| 12:36.20 | lcuk | debatable |
| 12:36.30 | crashanddie | yes, that's the whole point of "some shows" |
| 12:36.42 | GAN900 | Pffffft |
| 12:36.46 | puzzled | hmm no x86_64 maemo_flasher |
| 12:36.55 | crashanddie | GAN900: yes? |
| 12:36.57 | SWFu64 | Any UK users have an OTA update yet? |
| 12:37.03 | haltdef | <- |
| 12:37.03 | satmd | O_O |
| 12:37.05 | satmd | wh00t |
| 12:37.10 | crashanddie | SWFu64: it's past midnight in the UK, so doubtful |
| 12:37.10 | haltdef | updated my n900 a few hours ago |
| 12:37.25 | Tuukka | Can't wait till Qt apps start flooding to repos =) |
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| 12:37.31 | SWFu64 | It's 13.37 here now |
| 12:37.33 | alterego | crashanddie: midnight? Which UK are you in. It's lunch time :P |
| 12:37.50 | GAN900 | crashanddie, MeeGo announcement re: N900 |
| 12:37.50 | crashanddie | SWFu64 & alterego: Well, that's still "past midnight" |
| 12:37.57 | SWFu64 | Oooh there it is. :) |
| 12:37.58 | wutr | :P |
| 12:38.07 | alterego | Hahah |
| 12:38.12 | SWFu64 | Seemed to take a while to appear in app manager |
| 12:38.28 | crashanddie | GAN900: yeah well. Stskeeps will be able to keep working on Mer after all. |
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| 12:38.49 | wutr45 | damnit, mIRC crashing on me again |
| 12:39.03 | SWFu64 | 've been waiting for Skype video calling for some time:) |
| 12:39.11 | Myrtti | mIRC :-( |
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| 12:39.19 | PhonicUK | thats a weird bug |
| 12:39.20 | wutr49 | and again |
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| 12:39.21 | crashanddie | GAN900: it's like they can't even make up their minds. Once it's "No, nothing'll be supported", then they release development images, everyone assumes it means we'll get it, and now "Well, we know we have a development environment, but you can still piss off" |
| 12:39.35 | crashanddie | GAN900: how many decision makers in Nokia? Too many methinks. |
| 12:39.35 | PhonicUK | i set my status to "Offline" and the green icon in the status menu says im still online |
| 12:39.46 | wutr49 | seems to happen when I click the icon in the windows start bar, or whatever it's called |
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| 12:39.51 | wutr49 | taskbar? |
| 12:39.59 | SWFu64 | Just need the monitor mode patchesback and I'm sorted |
| 12:40.13 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: meh, why mer? |
| 12:40.36 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: well, Mer being the fork/branch being that contains an installable package with drivers and shit |
| 12:40.45 | Stskeeps | .. why? |
| 12:40.46 | noobmonk3y | frals: fresh install testing .... |
| 12:40.49 | noobmonk3y | holds his breath |
| 12:40.51 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: or "codename" |
| 12:40.54 | Stskeeps | meego for n900 provides them |
| 12:40.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:41.05 | noobmonk3y | frals: failboat express - wooop woooop |
| 12:41.13 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: but it won't be supported, so we'll need a "community edition", no/ |
| 12:41.14 | crashanddie | ? |
| 12:41.30 | puzzled | is it correct that there is no PR 1.2 image specifically for Europe (non-UK) and that I should use the Global release called RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 12:41.30 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: support = nokia answers tech support about it |
| 12:41.54 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I read it more like "we will not provide any images that can be used to install on the n900" |
| 12:41.58 | PhonicUK | does anyone else not like the new virtual keyboard? |
| 12:42.00 | tekojo | puzzled: yes |
| 12:42.01 | PhonicUK | i prefered the old one :\ |
| 12:42.01 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: that's not the reality though |
| 12:42.06 | puzzled | tekojo: thanks |
| 12:42.17 | alterego | I'm in the UK and I use the global release .. |
| 12:42.18 | crashanddie | Stskeeps: I'll believe it when I see it |
| 12:42.23 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, you'll get used to it |
| 12:42.27 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: install the flashable image from codedrop |
| 12:42.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:42.28 | MohammadAG | or... |
| 12:42.30 | noobmonk3y | throws frals at MohammadAG |
| 12:42.31 | Stskeeps | closed image |
| 12:42.39 | MohammadAG | repackage the old one as a new version and pull in old libraries |
| 12:43.21 | lcuk | which is more open, meego or maemo |
| 12:43.25 | Stskeeps | meego |
| 12:43.30 | crashanddie | meego, sounds of it |
| 12:43.55 | lcuk | then why in gods name are things like codedrop still being used |
| 12:44.05 | crashanddie | lcuk: oh baby |
| 12:44.24 | alterego | Interesting, the N900 codedrop URL isn't working .. |
| 12:44.26 | lcuk | you are right about a community edition crashanddie |
| 12:44.26 | satmd | actually... the firmware of pr1.2 global is on the nokia site already, too - unlike the announcement in topic |
| 12:44.38 | alterego | http://meego.com/downloads |
| 12:44.45 | lcuk | i woud love a complete maemo community UX for meego :) |
| 12:44.58 | PhonicUK | now when are we getting Flash 10 eh? |
| 12:45.05 | lcuk | nice suite of open source apps sat ontop of the open meego stack |
| 12:45.06 | PhonicUK | or have adobe stopped bothering :P |
| 12:45.24 | alterego | In fact, none of those links are working for me. |
| 12:45.25 | tybollt_ | trouts MohammadAG |
| 12:45.28 | SWFu64 | Haha, wtf, http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black--2GB-TF-Card--Original-Price--125-99_p86837.html |
| 12:45.41 | tybollt_ | frals: ? |
| 12:45.54 | MohammadAG | ricochets frals at noobmonk3y |
| 12:46.26 | noobmonk3y | farts |
| 12:46.53 | Myrtti | how productive |
| 12:47.02 | lcuk | thats a defence mechanism |
| 12:47.10 | lcuk | defense even |
| 12:47.41 | satmd | SWFu64: a comment on it says: no touchscreen, lmao |
| 12:47.42 | MohammadAG | since 1.2 is out |
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| 12:47.51 | roquetto | I need to access maemo's address book - should I go for libosso-abook/libebook or is it safe already to try Qt Mobility API? |
| 12:47.51 | lcuk | MohammadAG, how was your exam |
| 12:48.02 | MohammadAG | i can now dd rootfs |
| 12:48.03 | MohammadAG | and see if what i told DocScrutinizer works |
| 12:48.15 | alterego | How hard will it be for us to do a "Theme" application category? |
| 12:48.31 | jacekowski | not hard at all |
| 12:48.32 | MohammadAG | like C, it shot me in the foot |
| 12:48.39 | alterego | In dire need of user/Themes or something |
| 12:48.40 | MohammadAG | jk, it was python-y |
| 12:48.41 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 12:48.46 | jacekowski | well, you would need to rebuild all packages |
| 12:48.49 | frals | noobmonk3y: you suck! |
| 12:48.51 | lcuk | alterego, expand discussion to the mailing list, there will be shouts, if i remember rightly it was hard work organising the current keywords |
| 12:48.52 | jacekowski | with changed category |
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| 12:49.28 | noobmonk3y | frals: why thank you! |
| 12:49.33 | villemv | interestingly pr12 feels faster than the warez versions I ran before |
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| 12:49.43 | jacekowski | alterego: just move themes to different repository |
| 12:49.53 | jacekowski | alterego: extras-themes |
| 12:50.05 | noobmonk3y | villemv: warez, lol! |
| 12:50.13 | roquetto | anyone played with Qt Mobility? |
| 12:50.14 | frals | noobmonk3y: what failed? |
| 12:50.15 | villemv | well, unofficial ones |
| 12:50.15 | alterego | jacekowski: that's a bit of a cop-out solution really :P |
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| 12:50.23 | MohammadAG_ | DIIEEEE |
| 12:50.33 | jacekowski | alterego: nobody gives fuck about themes really |
| 12:50.34 | MohammadAG_ | dead |
| 12:50.36 | alterego | Easy to do, but still .. |
| 12:50.37 | villemv | roquetto: it should be okay to use qt mobility |
| 12:50.38 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 12:50.41 | noobmonk3y | frals: well, i did a fresh install - and hoped it would pick up the settings auto-magically - meh it didnt |
| 12:50.48 | jacekowski | alterego: so if i could just make them disappear it would be much better |
| 12:50.55 | frals | whats your operator and does the settings exist in /etc/operator_settings? |
| 12:50.57 | lcuk | villemv, running real version always tastes sweeter :) |
| 12:51.02 | MohammadAG | I can finally upgrade to ubuntu 10.04! |
| 12:51.39 | alterego | jacekowski: :) |
| 12:51.39 | roquetto | villemv: thanks - that sounds easier than mixing Qt code with libosso-abook API |
| 12:51.39 | frals | noobmonk3y: if they dont, file a bug! |
| 12:51.39 | noobmonk3y | also wishes all themes and things would have their own category and stop cluttering up the applications lists |
| 12:51.40 | noobmonk3y | eats the bug and farts |
| 12:51.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: don't tell me you've been waiting for PR1.2 to do that aswell! :D ^.^ |
| 12:51.40 | Tuukka | SWFu64, it even has an gravity sensor lol |
| 12:51.40 | villemv | roquetto: and you can complain to GNUton-BNC if it breaks ;-) |
| 12:51.44 | roquetto | takes notes |
| 12:51.50 | roquetto | villemv: thanks ;) |
| 12:51.51 | noobmonk3y | throws the notes at frals |
| 12:51.52 | MohammadAG | alterego, how'd you know |
| 12:51.54 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 12:52.02 | noobmonk3y | stares at MohammadAG |
| 12:52.05 | alterego | MohammadAG: well, I've been doing the same :D |
| 12:52.05 | cehteh | ohnoes 1.2 really? :) |
| 12:52.08 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:52.20 | noobmonk3y | cehteh: nope, all a dream, back to sleepies |
| 12:52.21 | cehteh | ok |
| 12:52.30 | noobmonk3y | or was it a nightmare? meh |
| 12:52.32 | cehteh | i thought hell has frozen over |
| 12:52.32 | MohammadAG | alterego, the 1.1.1 SDK was priceless for me |
| 12:52.46 | noobmonk3y | cehteh: i did see a monkey and a pig flying by this morning though |
| 12:52.57 | lcuk | mmmm bacon |
| 12:53.16 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 12:53.17 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: i'm gonna ram a veggie sausage up your.... anyway.... nice and sunny everywhere today?! |
| 12:53.18 | tybollt_ | mmmmh bacon |
| 12:53.21 | tybollt_ | oh wait |
| 12:53.26 | frals | noobmonk3y: it helps so i know if its a bug in fmms or just missing settings in the file |
| 12:53.27 | MohammadAG | did I disconnect two hours ago? |
| 12:53.27 | Corsac | BLT \o/ |
| 12:53.28 | tybollt_ | bacon is not PC in here... |
| 12:53.35 | tybollt_ | thinks of mohammad and the lads |
| 12:53.38 | noobmonk3y | frals: most likely me, will buggify it :D |
| 12:53.44 | MohammadAG | i left the irc connected during my exam, thought lcuk would help |
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| 12:53.56 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: you werent here when i was screaming your name in vain |
| 12:53.58 | frals | you had an exam about bacon? |
| 12:54.05 | frals | otherwise i cant see how lcuk would be able to help! |
| 12:54.08 | tybollt_ | frals: pig academy? |
| 12:54.09 | noobmonk3y | frals: pigology - MohammadAG 's speciality ;) |
| 12:54.11 | MohammadAG | rofl |
| 12:54.32 | noobmonk3y | sits nicely along side his alocohology course |
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| 12:54.45 | lcuk | tybollt_, bacon is perfectly acceptible meat based candy food group. |
| 12:54.46 | MohammadAG | how'd you know that? |
| 12:55.03 | tybollt_ | lcuk: Not in Israel it isn't |
| 12:55.08 | lcuk | and just like marmite and twiglets will cause debate around the world about whether or not they are edible |
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| 12:55.12 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, guess what my 3rd course is |
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| 12:55.16 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: your studying english right? thats pretty much the study off fat arse bacon eaters and drunks (Just a guess, lol) |
| 12:55.37 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: i love twiglets, hate marmite |
| 12:55.37 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, lol passing my GCEs |
| 12:55.43 | noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG ;) |
| 12:55.51 | tybollt_ | mmmh marmite |
| 12:55.53 | tybollt_ | drools |
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| 12:56.03 | MohammadAG | my nick should've given off what my 3rd course is |
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| 12:56.07 | lcuk | tybollt_, i dont personally like squid or other food groups, that doesnt mean i dislike other people talking about them |
| 12:56.08 | MohammadAG | weaponary! |
| 12:56.13 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 12:56.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, adjust the auto kick regex to 1.3 |
| 12:56.37 | tybollt_ | lcuk: Thing is bacon can get the wrong person go all SHALOM or JIHAD on your ass :)( |
| 12:56.49 | noobmonk3y | ~PR1.2 |
| 12:57.13 | infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 12:57.13 | lcuk | so they prefer human bacon? |
| 12:57.13 | alterego | Hah, Jews eat Bacon too. |
| 12:57.13 | MohammadAG | LOL @ tybollt_ |
| 12:57.13 | tybollt_ | spent som time in Kuala Lumpur - suffice to say I had not much alcohol and bacon during... :-| |
| 12:57.13 | noobmonk3y | meh infobot on holiday? |
| 12:57.14 | MohammadAG | ~pr1.2 |
| 12:57.15 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 12:57.15 | noobmonk3y | ~ PR1.2 |
| 12:57.16 | infobot | it has been said that pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 12:57.16 | MohammadAG | she hates you |
| 12:57.20 | MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 |
| 12:57.20 | tybollt_ | lcuk: Depends. I know plenty .us jews that eat it not |
| 12:57.26 | noobmonk3y | spambot attack |
| 12:57.29 | noobmonk3y | oh wow |
| 12:57.30 | tybollt_ | FUCKING STOP THAT FOR FUCKS SAKES |
| 12:57.36 | noobmonk3y | tybollt_: sorry daddy |
| 12:57.44 | lcuk | tybollt_, no it means that some people are unstable anyway. talking about food should not be the cause of angst for people |
| 12:57.45 | noobmonk3y | did it once, no reply, so added a space.... |
| 12:57.53 | MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 |
| 12:58.01 | MohammadAG | infobot, yoy're fired |
| 12:58.03 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: think you need a space |
| 12:58.03 | MohammadAG | you* |
| 12:58.04 | alterego | I think I should have waited until updating PR1.2 |
| 12:58.10 | alterego | Some of the apps aren't installing correctly .. |
| 12:58.10 | tybollt_ | lcuk: jajaja |
| 12:58.12 | MohammadAG | infobot, pr1.3 |
| 12:58.13 | noobmonk3y | alterego: why? no added bacon? |
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| 12:58.21 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, nah, it's lagging |
| 12:58.25 | tybollt_ | lcuk: in any case I am fairly sure we agree - mmmmh bacon :-) |
| 12:58.27 | MohammadAG | it'll throw 4 messgaes now |
| 12:58.31 | MohammadAG | she* |
| 12:58.38 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 12:58.46 | MohammadAG | shrugs |
| 12:58.56 | Termana | Thats right |
| 12:59.05 | Termana | You shouldn't be worried about the jews eating bacon |
| 12:59.06 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you were missing for about a week |
| 12:59.14 | frals | bah |
| 12:59.17 | MohammadAG | i thought the x-s were the reason |
| 12:59.19 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: sorry will also be missing for another week :( |
| 12:59.21 | lcuk | Termana, im not |
| 12:59.28 | noobmonk3y | under a lot of pressure at the mo :( |
| 12:59.37 | Termana | You should worry about them SLAYING ANIMALS TO APPEASE THEIR GOD |
| 12:59.39 | MohammadAG | <-- mo |
| 12:59.50 | noobmonk3y | ^ Mo not mo |
| 13:00.00 | MohammadAG | Oh? |
| 13:00.05 | noobmonk3y | Moo |
| 13:00.05 | Myrtti | Go Away, There's nothing to see here |
| 13:00.21 | MohammadAG | Termana, some of them don't, kosher i think |
| 13:00.23 | noobmonk3y | Myrtti: see where? see what? when? how! WHYYYY!!! |
| 13:00.24 | tybollt_ | Has anyone here been at a halal slaughter or a kosher slaughter? |
| 13:00.25 | lcuk | wanders off and lets the chat topic change |
| 13:00.34 | tybollt_ | If you haven't well ... don't comment on it :) |
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| 13:00.41 | frals | lets lcuk change while the topic wonders off |
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| 13:00.46 | tybollt_ | lcuk: I call chicken on you ;P |
| 13:00.50 | noobmonk3y | throws the floppy disks of dos 3.0 @ lcuk |
| 13:00.55 | E0x | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nokia-updates-n900-to-version-1-2-in-uk-closes-door-on-meego/ |
| 13:01.00 | noobmonk3y | hehe frals |
| 13:01.09 | MohammadAG | yep they have to diss the N900 |
| 13:01.52 | tybollt_ | MohammadAG: engadget and gizmodo are sites invented to hype anything out of Apple Inc I suppose |
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| 13:01.59 | tybollt_ | course they will diss a superior device :) |
| 13:02.46 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, i know |
| 13:02.49 | MohammadAG | they suck tbh |
| 13:03.04 | MohammadAG | flash - they mention stevie |
| 13:03.12 | ZogG | hey |
| 13:03.13 | MohammadAG | Nokia - they mention f ups |
| 13:03.17 | ZogG | MohammadAG, reflashed? |
| 13:03.21 | MohammadAG | not yet |
| 13:03.24 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 13:03.30 | MohammadAG | need to check this bb stuff |
| 13:03.40 | MohammadAG | going into fedora o/ |
| 13:03.46 | tybollt_ | but haeh - no meegoo? |
| 13:03.50 | tybollt_ | that was a surprise |
| 13:04.07 | tybollt_ | certainly judging from what Stskeeps have been saying |
| 13:04.08 | GAN900 | Surprise indeed. |
| 13:04.16 | tybollt_ | GAN900: no to you- - no way |
| 13:04.21 | tybollt_ | s/no/not/ |
| 13:04.25 | GAN900 | Nokia deserves what they get. |
| 13:04.37 | tybollt_ | come now, you knew this ages ago - surely |
| 13:04.43 | GAN900 | Nope |
| 13:04.59 | GAN900 | I'm not particularly more informed than anybody else on corporate stuff |
| 13:05.00 | ZogG | hm, i can't reflash |
| 13:05.03 | GAN900 | No NDA |
| 13:05.09 | ZogG | i don't remember how i managed it last time |
| 13:05.56 | achipa | GAN900: the 100$ question is why did they feel the need to say it (considering the announcement policy history) |
| 13:06.25 | GAN900 | achipa, dunno |
| 13:06.29 | crashanddie | GAN900: you're a 24 yo bearded guy, they're scared of you. |
| 13:06.35 | GAN900 | 22 |
| 13:06.38 | Ikarus | Engadget seems to be quite wrong though |
| 13:06.44 | Ikarus | there seem to be significant work for it |
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| 13:07.20 | tybollt_ | crashanddie: HAHAHA :) |
| 13:07.20 | Ikarus | so perhaps no official release for the N900, but it damn well be used as the development kit for MeeGo |
| 13:07.39 | happyblob | i just assumed the upgrade wont be pushed out over the air (i.e. manual.. for the power users to play with) and they didnt want to get novice users' hopes up? |
| 13:07.44 | tybollt_ | that is just weird though - innit? |
| 13:08.02 | tybollt_ | "You will develop the distro on this device but you can never run the official outcome on it" |
| 13:08.09 | Ikarus | tybollt_: not really |
| 13:08.17 | frals | theres quite a difference between making something work for developrs and supporting it for endusers... i imagine |
| 13:08.21 | X-Fade | There is a big difference between an development platform and a commercially supported platform. |
| 13:08.23 | Ikarus | frals: exactly |
| 13:08.54 | andrewfblack | Morning |
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| 13:09.20 | tekojo | andrewfblack: morning |
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| 13:09.38 | Stskeeps | morn andrew |
| 13:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | 's currently picturing another Fremantle-for-N8x0 Mer-esque situation. |
| 13:10.09 | andrewfblack | Morning Stskeeps guess its time to dig my N900 out of drawer |
| 13:10.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'm really worried the reference shit just isn't going to cut it. |
| 13:10.22 | t_s_o | reference? |
| 13:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | wouldn't be surprised if Flash 10.1 works with the N900+1 and the N900 but Nokia specifically disallows its use for N900 users. |
| 13:11.04 | t_s_o | possible, nokia is in the hardware sale business after all |
| 13:11.05 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: Meego for N900 has a group of professionals working on it Mer was just community members |
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| 13:11.10 | tybollt_ | frals: considering it will run on the device the only reason they won't officially support it has to be revenue |
| 13:11.16 | Surfa | GeneralAntilles, what are you after with that kind of assumptions? |
| 13:11.28 | N900killa | NOKIA BETRAYED US!!! TRAITORS! |
| 13:11.30 | frals | tybollt_: running on device != supporting it for endusers |
| 13:11.49 | tybollt_ | frals: the ever standing marketing no#1 rule - NEVER _E V E R_ support a new OS/software on an old device. |
| 13:11.51 | N900killa | No freaking meego on the n900 - FAIL |
| 13:11.55 | Stskeeps | sigh |
| 13:12.04 | Stskeeps | did you read the 'commercially supported' part |
| 13:12.06 | tybollt_ | hones in on Stskeeps |
| 13:12.08 | N900killa | YES |
| 13:12.13 | N900killa | i dongt |
| 13:12.14 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: presto! |
| 13:12.19 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: we did |
| 13:12.23 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, is that supposed to make me feel BETTER? :P |
| 13:12.41 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: thing is - will I void warranty installing it? |
| 13:12.45 | Ikarus | tybollt_: no |
| 13:12.48 | N900killa | i dont want an os put together by a bunch of pimple faced hackers. i want official release !!!! |
| 13:13.02 | frals | Stskeeps: you're fighting a losing battle ;) |
| 13:13.04 | andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: did you ever really think Nokia would Offically support a new OS on old device, they only ever did it once with N800 because n810 was just N800 with keyboard |
| 13:13.05 | tybollt_ | wow that's a lot of exclamationpoints |
| 13:13.07 | GeneralAntilles | Surfa, that Nokia is clearly incapable of learning the lessons of the past 5 years, is more than happy to jettison whatever inertia they've built up behind a platform with each new hardware release and hates its customers. |
| 13:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, and the N900+1 is, apparently, just an N900 without. |
| 13:13.23 | Stskeeps | frals: i'm pondering to go watch a movie |
| 13:13.34 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, do that. |
| 13:13.35 | tybollt_ | frals: that is the point, indeed |
| 13:13.50 | N900killa | nokia give me my money back |
| 13:13.53 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: your contempt is duly noted. ;-P |
| 13:13.53 | Surfa | GeneralAntilles, later on you may notice how much too hard you take this all |
| 13:14.01 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: good question, i'm not sure - there was a thread on this at some point |
| 13:14.07 | GeneralAntilles | Surfa, maybe maybe not. |
| 13:14.17 | pexi | any info when the meego-phone is coming? |
| 13:14.18 | Surfa | GeneralAntilles, calm down and enjoy your great device |
| 13:14.21 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: to be honest this is no different then any other company would've done... I'm not really outraged... |
| 13:14.23 | N900killa | huge huge huge fail nokia |
| 13:14.33 | pexi | stfu and save cash |
| 13:14.37 | pexi | :) |
| 13:14.38 | GeneralAntilles | Surfa, unfortunately I'm not really in that position. |
| 13:14.42 | N900killa | pexi: toy your nokia never |
| 13:14.45 | GeneralAntilles | points to the hostmask. |
| 13:15.04 | frals | points to his hostmask, mine is cooler! |
| 13:15.06 | pexi | N900killa, I don't care, I want a new hardware anyway :) |
| 13:15.13 | GeneralAntilles | tybollt_, continual sad disappointment. |
| 13:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | tybollt_, that's what Nokia brings for its customers and community members. |
| 13:15.31 | Stskeeps | marvin, is that you? |
| 13:15.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 13:15.43 | N900killa | I'm freaking disappointed nokia - never again am I buying nokia |
| 13:16.00 | Stskeeps | N900killa: good for you, go complain somewhere else |
| 13:16.06 | lcuk | N900killa, since maemo is open source, what could you add to improve it yourself |
| 13:16.23 | TomaszD | nobody cares N900killa, you can go now... |
| 13:16.33 | N900killa | stskeeps: open your fanboy blinders suckers |
| 13:16.41 | Surfa | kind of provoking discussion yep :) |
| 13:16.49 | Stskeeps | N900killa: first warning, watch the language.. |
| 13:16.52 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: what weirds me out is that so many people pitch open source, but when it comes to it, they just want a closed system |
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| 13:16.57 | Stskeeps | where the vendor does it all |
| 13:17.01 | Surfa | luckily some people do have got the point of this all |
| 13:17.02 | lcuk | open source does not mean being spoon fed everything, you have one of the most open operating systems on any device - one thats capable of supporting and utilising multiple toolkits |
| 13:17.15 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I want open source where the vendor doesn't do everything in its power to undermine it. ;) |
| 13:17.18 | Andy80 | what is the official Qt libs distributed with PR 1.2? |
| 13:17.28 | lcuk | Andy80, qt 4.6 |
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| 13:17.34 | zomg | N900killa: welcome to the world of business. Name a company that has never broken something they said :p |
| 13:17.34 | lcuk | on flash |
| 13:17.39 | Andy80 | I tried installin Tweego after upgrading to PR 1.2 and it wants to download 44 Mb of Qt libraries |
| 13:17.41 | lcuk | optified nicely :D |
| 13:17.45 | lcuk | is pleased at that |
| 13:17.48 | Surfa | GeneralAntilles, your points somehow make me think that you're working for apple, google or samsung perhaps? :) |
| 13:17.51 | achipa | lcuk: but where's the business model ? why bother with open source if you don't want to leverage it ? |
| 13:17.52 | Andy80 | lcuk: I mean... there are two builds |
| 13:17.53 | frals | is pleased lcuk is pleased |
| 13:17.53 | lcuk | Andy80, it shouldnt |
| 13:17.59 | ZogG | flashed mtf |
| 13:18.01 | crashanddie | lcuk: no, open source means you accept help where you lack expertise or craftmanship (at least, that's what it means in my book). It's not about how many things you can run on it, it's about how you treat the people who want to help. |
| 13:18.02 | lcuk | achipa, so use the qt stuff? |
| 13:18.13 | Andy80 | libqt4-gui, libqt4-maemo5-gui for example |
| 13:18.25 | tybollt_ | Well |
| 13:18.27 | tybollt_ | anyway |
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| 13:18.50 | tybollt_ | what I would really like to see now is a new device, meego or maemi - doesn't matter. But I want a smaller N900, N900 min if you will |
| 13:18.53 | frals | hmpf still no comment on my merge request with vertsms :< |
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| 13:19.00 | ZogG | after flash - what settings i can lost? |
| 13:19.29 | TomaszD | ZogG, all, so back up using the built-in backup application. |
| 13:19.32 | achipa | lcuk: considering how Qt in PR1.2 has been handled, I have my reserves |
| 13:19.33 | SWFu64 | The OTA update is not working for me, it just says to connect up and use Nokia Software Update |
| 13:19.42 | lcuk | crashanddie, sure thats one aspect, but openness means not being locked into one specific path - helping build the barn to improve existing things is equally valid |
| 13:19.46 | tybollt_ | achipa: do elaborate |
| 13:19.51 | tybollt_ | achipa: what's your gripe? |
| 13:19.51 | achipa | lcuk: for desktop, I'll take Qt any day. For mobile, far from sure |
| 13:19.53 | lcuk | achipa, yeah please do |
| 13:20.02 | ZogG | TomaszD i did it, restoring |
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| 13:20.09 | flukebox | hi all ... I ran into some problem related to theme chooser on my nokia n900.... I am not able to run theme selector from settings/personalization ... Does anybody know the application name for the same... which i can fire from command prompt ?? |
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| 13:20.24 | ZogG | i mean after restore ( had to mentioned it) |
| 13:20.25 | SWFu64 | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 13:20.35 | PhonicUK | anyone know a good N900 theme? |
| 13:20.36 | N900killa | nokia needs fools that continue buying into their junk - fools |
| 13:20.46 | PhonicUK | I'd love something like a blue version of the Humanity theme |
| 13:20.54 | frals | what we need here is a real good troll |
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| 13:21.02 | frals | no shit N900killa is already here :( |
| 13:21.23 | range | But is it a good troll? |
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| 13:21.24 | achipa | tybollt_ lcuk: well, for example, we had this public community - nokians meeting with regard how Qt is going to be deployed in PR1.2, had an agreement and in the end PR1.2 comes out and it turns out to be not quite what was agreed on |
| 13:21.26 | N900Evil | stabs N900killa |
| 13:21.42 | loufoque | why is the firmware different for vodafone devices? |
| 13:21.42 | crashanddie | lcuk: but instead of accepting defeat on specific levels, they took the corporate way, and told everyone to "wait, wait, wait". Rather than doing that, they should've opened up the stuff that was hurting people: MfE would've been fixed in days or weeks had it been open sourced. No-one could try and fix it, because it's close sourced, locked down, and what not. Some things have been fixed using very smart hacks (catorise for exa |
| 13:21.44 | lcuk | achipa, whats different? |
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| 13:22.03 | flukebox | any idea ??? |
| 13:22.05 | flukebox | anyone |
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| 13:22.15 | N900killa | all I'm saying is all N900 buyers got their money stolen by nokia |
| 13:22.16 | achipa | achipa: well, at some point someone decided to optify it + move it to a different directory |
| 13:22.17 | lcuk | crashanddie, again, agreed - but you cannot force open source on people |
| 13:22.21 | achipa | talking to myself, duh |
| 13:22.23 | lcuk | all open source can do is route around the damage |
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| 13:22.33 | TomaszD | I think I found a really serious issue in PR1.2... |
| 13:22.35 | TomaszD | oh god... |
| 13:22.38 | frals | yes N900killa now please go elsewhere if thats all you have to say |
| 13:22.40 | achipa | lcuk: and had we known that was the plan, our suggestions would have been different |
| 13:22.41 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*user@74.198.39.*] by Stskeeps |
| 13:22.41 | *** kick/#maemo [N900killa!~cvm@Maemo/community/distmaster/Stskeeps] by Stskeeps (troll, come back when calm) |
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| 13:22.57 | lcuk | achipa, you arent talking to yourself |
| 13:22.57 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: your device burst into flames? |
| 13:23.01 | Stskeeps | if not, not serious enough! |
| 13:23.02 | Ikarus | crashanddie: quite alot of other stuff was easily fixed due to the opensource stuff (wrong enter being send by xterm, some issues related to mediaplayer, etc) |
| 13:23.05 | lcuk | i know quite a bit about the optificaiton of qt |
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| 13:23.18 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, no, but whenever I remove an app with appman it downloads and installs a random app |
| 13:23.22 | E0x | what data the backup save ? |
| 13:23.23 | TomaszD | I'm being serious |
| 13:23.29 | lcuk | but if apps are expecting specific folders that should have been catered for with symlinks etc? |
| 13:23.31 | E0x | just sms , contacts , or save apps too ? |
| 13:23.33 | tybollt_ | achipa: oh really? Care to be a bit specific on the "not quite" part? |
| 13:23.34 | achipa | lcuk: so the 'community compromise' in the end resulted in a suboptimal solution (as in, we make extra effort to break our own stuff) |
| 13:23.46 | frals | lol TomaszD, that sounds AWESOME :D |
| 13:23.51 | lcuk | achipa, so if i write a qt app now it wont work? |
| 13:23.52 | Torne | did xterm actually get fixed in PR1.2 then? |
| 13:23.58 | frals | E0x: depends what you tell it to save |
| 13:24.01 | TomaszD | it happened four times already |
| 13:24.03 | lcuk | or if i compile a desktop qt app ? |
| 13:24.06 | achipa | lcuk: we could have avoided the whole libqt4-maemo5 mess |
| 13:24.10 | Ikarus | Torne: it should have, it was documented as being fixed |
| 13:24.11 | Termana | TomaszD, nah THATS A FEATURE |
| 13:24.12 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: whenever you remove an app with appman, it pays for a ovi store app?;p |
| 13:24.13 | ZogG | Stskeeps have you kicked me today too =) |
| 13:24.20 | TomaszD | I had a kimi app, lockdeamon, now I have unofficial Hungarian translation |
| 13:24.22 | crashanddie | lcuk: then don't pretend to be. Remember the nice talks that Nokia had about being surprised by how well Open Source worked for them? Remember the talk they gave about people saying "Open Source will never work" and now having people inside Nokia congratulate them because it was such a success? What kind of marketing bollocks is that. They don't even know 6 months ahead if their division will still exist. |
| 13:24.25 | achipa | (as in renaming, invalidating, manually updateing dependencies, etc) |
| 13:24.33 | TomaszD | whenever I remove the unwanted app, something else gets installed |
| 13:24.36 | lcuk | achipa, qt went a bit wild |
| 13:24.43 | achipa | tybollt_: it was stated several times that libqt4 WILL be on NAND |
| 13:24.48 | E0x | frals: ok , thx |
| 13:25.07 | TomaszD | can anyone confirm this behaviour? |
| 13:25.08 | frals | TomaszD: the good news is that H-A-M is oss and at maemo.gitourious.org so you can track it down and fix it if you know c ;) |
| 13:25.12 | ZogG | do i need to turn readd all repos or i just need to turn them off after restore |
| 13:25.18 | tybollt_ | achipa: ? I thought stskeeps said NAND was just /boot now a days? |
| 13:25.18 | Torne | Ikarus: it's not marked as fixed on bugzilla |
| 13:25.27 | Ikarus | my only real gripe with Nokia is that they don't want to call the DRM mode in the next device either that or "cripple mode", but instead wanting to use a more deceptive name |
| 13:25.27 | crashanddie | lcuk: MeeGo was announced because Maemo has been deemed a failure by Nokia management. It doesn't matter how much Ari or Quim believe in it, it's over. Maemo will be dead and gone in a year, and we'll look like idiots for having tried to improve things. |
| 13:25.31 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: that's on meego |
| 13:25.35 | tybollt_ | achipa: anyway why does it matter? Speed concerns? |
| 13:25.39 | Ikarus | Torne: it was marked on the fix list on the wiki |
| 13:25.42 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: d'oh sorry :) |
| 13:25.49 | Torne | Ikarus: well, i'm testing it now :) |
| 13:25.51 | Ikarus | Torne: anyway, else I have a .deb for it |
| 13:26.12 | jacekowski | OMG |
| 13:26.15 | achipa | tybollt_: it matters because we broke EVERY SINGLE Qt package on maemo.org because of that nomenclature |
| 13:26.18 | jacekowski | my phone is now fubar |
| 13:26.34 | ZogG | crashanddie the king is dead ,viva la king |
| 13:26.51 | ZogG | i hope it would be ported to n900 anyways |
| 13:27.05 | Stskeeps | meego? |
| 13:27.06 | Stskeeps | it is! |
| 13:27.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:27.19 | ZogG | Stskeeps, i mean more oficial |
| 13:27.23 | tybollt_ | achipa: Eeeek :-| |
| 13:27.29 | lcuk | Stskeeps, what about the ux ontop tho |
| 13:27.30 | Ikarus | ZogG: it will be official |
| 13:27.31 | ZogG | official than putting android on n900 |
| 13:27.39 | Ikarus | ZogG: the question is one of support |
| 13:27.42 | frals | ZogG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571 |
| 13:27.45 | ZogG | Ikarus, the nokia said different |
| 13:27.48 | SWFu64 | Can someone point me to a good pr1.2 guide please, ota is not working for me, and Nokia oftware Updater is saying there is no update. |
| 13:28.00 | Ikarus | SWFu64: OTA will be out tomorrow |
| 13:28.02 | Stskeeps | ZogG: it isn't support - you can't call tech support for it, but it is made professionally |
| 13:28.18 | lcuk | you can call tech support |
| 13:28.24 | lcuk | they will ask what version of maemo you areon |
| 13:28.28 | ZogG | Stskeeps Ikarus maemo is on n900 without support - so what? =) |
| 13:28.36 | SWFu64 | Ikarus, I can see the update, i just does not work, it tells me to connect to pc an use the software updater |
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| 13:28.43 | Ikarus | ZogG: without OFFICIAL support |
| 13:28.44 | ZogG | lcuk i would say 6 =) |
| 13:28.50 | Ikarus | ZogG: ie, you can't call Nokia and bitch |
| 13:28.54 | lcuk | ZogG, :) |
| 13:28.57 | jacekowski | Ikarus: you can |
| 13:29.04 | jacekowski | Ikarus: but they will just ignore you |
| 13:29.19 | ZogG | i don't have n900 in my country so i don't that care of phone support - until new programs for n900 and bugfixes are coming |
| 13:29.27 | ZogG | and new teh not passing it |
| 13:29.45 | Ikarus | jacekowski: exactly |
| 13:30.00 | ZogG | i dunno but our country wouldn't get n900 |
| 13:30.03 | achipa | tybollt_, lcuk : plus, just to make it more funky just SOME qt packages are optified |
| 13:30.14 | ZogG | though we don't have nokia here at all |
| 13:30.24 | ZogG | only company representing nokia |
| 13:30.24 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: Maybe I asked you this before but... |
| 13:30.41 | lcuk | achipa, apps themselves are optified based on individual app policy |
| 13:30.43 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: are there speed concerns nand vs emmc wrt binaries etc? |
| 13:30.44 | lcuk | thats nothing to do with OS |
| 13:30.47 | achipa | tybollt_, lcuk : so QtGui yes, QtCore/Sql/Xml no |
| 13:30.49 | ZogG | nokia are nazi =)))) |
| 13:31.03 | tybollt_ | achipa: why do they do that though? |
| 13:31.04 | achipa | lcuk: but these are packages that depend on each other |
| 13:31.05 | E0x | lol |
| 13:31.08 | Torne | ZogG: be nice |
| 13:31.19 | Torne | works at nokia :( |
| 13:31.22 | Torne | (not on maemo) |
| 13:31.33 | lcuk | achipa, do you want to try and do something, get a tree showing the footprint of qt on the device |
| 13:31.40 | lcuk | all folders used and files dropped |
| 13:31.43 | Torne | Ikarus: It's still broken in PR1.2 |
| 13:31.45 | ZogG | Torne, it was joke =) i'm from israel =))))) |
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| 13:31.48 | lcuk | so we can try to arrange it? |
| 13:32.00 | Torne | Ikarus: where did it say it was fixed? :) |
| 13:32.04 | Ikarus | Torne: ah well, once I have PR1.2 and tested my new binaries I'll toss you a copy of the .deb |
| 13:32.20 | ZogG | Torne, can i call you and bitch about meego on n900 after it would be ported? pleeeease? |
| 13:32.29 | Torne | ZogG: no |
| 13:32.30 | Torne | :) |
| 13:32.31 | achipa | lcuk: seems they went with a simple size filter -> gui and webkit are the biggest, so they go to opt |
| 13:32.33 | ZogG | damn |
| 13:32.39 | Torne | ZogG: i don't work on meego either |
| 13:32.50 | achipa | lcuk: never mint that qtgui is the most often used one after core... |
| 13:32.52 | ZogG | Torne, i just need attention =) |
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| 13:33.07 | Torne | ZogG: people are only allowed to ask me for support with rockbox :) |
| 13:33.28 | jacekowski | 162M used on root |
| 13:33.28 | ZogG | YEAH!!! |
| 13:33.36 | lcuk | achipa, perhaps - go into #qt-maemo and discuss with them |
| 13:33.41 | lcuk | jacekowski, :) |
| 13:33.45 | lcuk | nice isnt it |
| 13:33.50 | ZogG | i got ukeyboared installed on my N900 finally, waited for a loooooong loooong time |
| 13:33.54 | achipa | lcuk: isn't it spilt milk ? |
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| 13:34.23 | drizztbsd | Hi |
| 13:34.26 | achipa | lcuk: the biggest gripe, needlessly kicking ourselves in the balls, can't be undone |
| 13:34.28 | lcuk | achipa, well, it couldv been spoken out about before ;) |
| 13:34.37 | drizztbsd | do I need to upgrade the eMMC? |
| 13:34.47 | drizztbsd | I see that there is a new eMMC image |
| 13:34.52 | lcuk | its not like there werent any opportunities |
| 13:34.54 | drizztbsd | eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 |
| 13:35.01 | achipa | lcuk: yes, if that wasn't a DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON plan, maybe it would make sense |
| 13:35.19 | jacekowski | any upgrades to MfE? |
| 13:35.38 | lcuk | achipa, wheres the planning documents? |
| 13:35.51 | ToJa92 | [drizztbsd]: I didn't flash the new eMMC |
| 13:35.52 | lcuk | and if you have them file bugs against them |
| 13:35.56 | ToJa92 | so I guess you don't |
| 13:35.59 | drizztbsd | ok thanks |
| 13:36.04 | achipa | there was an irc meeting with half a dozen nokians, let me dig up the log |
| 13:36.12 | ToJa92 | I don't know if there's any new content though |
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| 13:36.24 | achipa | and then there were the conclusions on maemo.org/news, official council announcement and all |
| 13:36.26 | ZogG | anyway do i readd all repos or restoring does that? |
| 13:36.32 | lcuk | achipa, an irc log isnt a spec |
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| 13:36.39 | Khertan | jacekowski, there is bug fixes on MfE ... but still didn't sync email with my gmail account |
| 13:37.16 | achipa | lcuk: so what exactly are we supposed to do ? Ask written confirmations as *official* irc meetings and nokian blogs are not relevant ? |
| 13:37.33 | ToJa92 | [Khertan]: Google doesn't support MfE officially... contacts and calendar should work though |
| 13:37.36 | achipa | lcuk: this wasn't some random chitchat, it was #maemo-meeting business |
| 13:37.57 | lcuk | achipa, sure who agreed to take on the task? |
| 13:38.00 | Khertan | ToJa92, google doesn't support anythings officially ... everythings is beta ... |
| 13:38.18 | lcuk | and still ifnd the documents relating |
| 13:38.40 | Khertan | ToJa92, but be carrefull that i didn't blame nokia for MfE not working with Gmail ... their (gmail) implementation isn't standart ! |
| 13:38.48 | mikki-kun | anybody notived a huge slowdown in his n900 after pr 1.2? |
| 13:39.01 | Khertan | ToJa92, but be carrefull that i didn't blame nokia for MfE not working with Gmail ... their (gmail / on google side) implementation isn't standart ! |
| 13:39.02 | ToJa92 | [Khertan]: Well if you want to sync contacts + calendar you could use SyncEvolution |
| 13:39.07 | mikki-kun | mine is as slow as a vic32 running windows vista for the first time |
| 13:39.13 | ToJa92 | then you can use the mail client for mail |
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| 13:39.45 | Khertan | ToJa92, yep this was mainly to avoid imap as imap is blocked by my phone isp ... and exchange isn't (https port) |
| 13:40.03 | ToJa92 | oh |
| 13:40.09 | Khertan | ToJa92, but i ll continue to use my dns tunnelling :) |
| 13:40.18 | ToJa92 | well, imap isn't blocked by my operator, so I'm happy :) |
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| 13:42.03 | Khertan | ToJa92, full internet ... limited in speed for 69 Euros by month ... or restricted to http, https for 25 Euros by month (with 3g+ and a 1Gb limit by month) ... i do my choice really fast :) |
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| 13:42.36 | Khertan | a restricted one with tunnel :) |
| 13:43.04 | achipa | lcuk: it wasn't a task. It was a statement that the layout will be kept, and libqt4-maemo5 will have to be broken because of that. |
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| 13:43.17 | TomaszD | if anyone can pitch in by removing the tutorial applet and the "installers" (ap news, amazon, facebook) and observing weirdness, please look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10267 |
| 13:43.18 | povbot` | Bug 10267: Sometimes when I remove an application a random one gets downloaded and installed automatically |
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| 13:43.50 | ZogG | MohammadAG, here you go |
| 13:43.55 | ZogG | how was fedora? |
| 13:44.04 | Andy80 | achipa: what are the official Qt, libqt4-gui or libqt4-maemo5-gui ? |
| 13:44.07 | MohammadAG | dd-y |
| 13:44.09 | ZogG | play button on media widget is not working for me |
| 13:44.14 | MohammadAG | Andy80, both |
| 13:44.17 | Tuukka | I'm setting up maemo developement enviroment should i install qt 4.5 or 4.6 toolkit? |
| 13:44.17 | Andy80 | which one I mean... |
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| 13:44.23 | MohammadAG | libqt4-gui is 4.6.2 |
| 13:44.24 | Andy80 | MohammadAG: both? |
| 13:44.28 | achipa | Andy80: libqt4-gui |
| 13:44.38 | MohammadAG | libqt4-maemo5-gui should be 3.7 soon |
| 13:44.40 | MohammadAG | 4.7* |
| 13:44.44 | Andy80 | having two versions of Qt makes no sense |
| 13:44.45 | achipa | libqt4-maemo5 is pending deletion |
| 13:44.51 | achipa | (completely needlessly) |
| 13:45.02 | Tuukka | MohammadAG, Thanks! |
| 13:45.06 | MohammadAG | Andy80, the one without maemo5 is the one integrated in fw |
| 13:45.20 | Andy80 | ok... I won't install Tweego for the moment then :) |
| 13:45.31 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 13:45.37 | Andy80 | because it requires libqt4-maemo5 |
| 13:45.46 | Tuukka | Just blindly following guide at linuxuser.co.uk hopefully everything goes right :DD |
| 13:46.03 | Andy80 | I don't want to stupidly waste space having two Qt on my N900 |
| 13:46.14 | achipa | MohammadAG: 4.7 will be called libqt4-experimental |
| 13:46.28 | MohammadAG | achipa, so maemo5 is just a waste of space? |
| 13:46.30 | achipa | or at least *I* think it will |
| 13:46.35 | MohammadAG | libqt4-maemo5* |
| 13:46.38 | alterego | So where are all these commercial apps that have been waiting for PR1.2? :D |
| 13:46.45 | alterego | I thought 1.2 was going to saveb the world! |
| 13:46.50 | achipa | MohammadAG: it isn't, it helps creating confusion :S |
| 13:46.53 | MohammadAG | you thought wrong |
| 13:46.59 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:47.13 | alterego | Dagnamit, but abill_uk said that 1.2 would save the human race! |
| 13:47.14 | Arkenoi | so how much free root space is needed for OTA? |
| 13:47.35 | tybollt_ | ja |
| 13:47.38 | tybollt_ | do spill |
| 13:47.38 | cehteh | is this display locking bug when maep or mapper is running and the display goes idle fixed in 1.2? |
| 13:48.18 | tybollt_ | achipa: also... this optifying thing... wasn't it in the SDK anyway? |
| 13:49.15 | MohammadAG | it was on git afaik |
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| 13:50.00 | Turks | 'lo |
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| 13:50.56 | alterego | cehteh: is that a bug? |
| 13:51.06 | achipa | tybollt_: no, that was just a cludge |
| 13:51.07 | alterego | Or is it maep/mapper ? |
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| 13:51.25 | achipa | tybollt_: so we could have both installed on the devices |
| 13:51.46 | cehteh | alterego: graphics/opengl or whatever bug .. well it locks the device sometimes that you have to pull the battery out for a reset, i call that a bug |
| 13:51.54 | GAN900 | PR1.2 is such a buggy mess |
| 13:52.07 | cehteh | even pressing the power button long time doesnt reboot it |
| 13:52.08 | MohammadAG | GAN900, post a rant thread |
| 13:52.31 | MohammadAG | or does tmo have one already :P |
| 13:52.38 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, nah, I'm just gonna soapbox in mwkn. :P |
| 13:52.52 | MohammadAG | can I help? |
| 13:52.57 | MohammadAG | first start off with the menu |
| 13:52.58 | alterego | cehteh: Ah, okay. Well, I don't know. Why don't you try it. I don't use either of those apps personally. |
| 13:53.04 | MohammadAG | it doesn't have the scroll effect |
| 13:53.14 | MohammadAG | then continue to rant about no MeeGo for the N900 |
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| 13:53.26 | cehteh | alterego: i wait for tomorrow for the update |
| 13:53.30 | MohammadAG | eventually you'll reach a point where you'll ask about Maemo 7 for the RX-71 |
| 13:53.37 | alterego | :) |
| 13:53.38 | cehteh | and i have to do a full backup later today :P |
| 13:53.38 | E0x | hehehe |
| 13:53.43 | MohammadAG | which will be step 6/5 |
| 13:53.52 | alterego | I just flashed mine. |
| 13:53.53 | MohammadAG | release will be 1/0 |
| 13:54.02 | MohammadAG | division by zero |
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| 13:54.15 | GAN900 | No Jaffa to cramp my style this week, either. *eg* |
| 13:54.34 | cehteh | i hope updating in contrast to flashing will not wipe out all my customizations |
| 13:54.37 | alterego | GAN900: I was made redundant on Friday :/ |
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| 13:54.41 | MohammadAG | got a dd of /dev/mtd5 |
| 13:54.47 | MohammadAG | wonder if it'll brick my N900 |
| 13:54.48 | alterego | I've got too much time on my hands now, I'm so f*cking bored right now. |
| 13:54.49 | cehteh | so i have less pain restoring it afterwards |
| 13:54.56 | Stskeeps | alterego: contribute to meego! |
| 13:54.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:54.59 | GAN900 | alterego, wait, again? |
| 13:55.10 | cehteh | hey when is 1.3 scheduled? :) |
| 13:55.17 | GAN900 | It's a trap! |
| 13:55.19 | cehteh | haha |
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| 13:55.24 | alterego | GAN900: it was just a possibility the week before. Well, I knew it was going to happen, but it wasn't official until Friday just gone. |
| 13:55.24 | GAN900 | cehteh, when it's ready. |
| 13:55.27 | achipa | (admiral ackbar style) |
| 13:55.28 | slingr | w00t |
| 13:55.29 | tybollt_ | ~1.3 |
| 13:55.59 | tybollt_ | ~1.2 |
| 13:56.00 | tybollt_ | ~meh |
| 13:56.01 | infobot | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase |
| 13:56.01 | GAN900 | alterego, that sucks. |
| 13:56.01 | alterego | Stskeeps: unfortunately I need money :P |
| 13:56.02 | tybollt_ | MOAR MONNEH |
| 13:56.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, oi! fix infobot! |
| 13:56.02 | w00t_ | but money leads to the dark side |
| 13:56.02 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:56.06 | alterego | tybollt_: "moar" would imply I actually have some :D |
| 13:56.25 | javispedro | sings "dadadadadadada pr 1.2 dadadadada backslash dadadadada it didn't fix world hunger..." |
| 13:56.41 | cehteh | at nokia, cellphone updates you! :) |
| 13:56.45 | alterego | javispedro: give it a chance, it's not even been a day yet! :D |
| 13:56.58 | javispedro | patiently waits for the pitchforks |
| 13:57.03 | E0x | how i can start from ZERO , i want put my n900 like out the box |
| 13:57.12 | E0x | and apply the update/upgrade |
| 13:57.21 | MohammadAG | Downgrade to 42-11 |
| 13:57.23 | bigbrovar | since upgrading to PR1.2 i cant seem to get mail for exchange to work with gmail. syncing always fails |
| 13:57.25 | MohammadAG | and reflash the emmc |
| 13:57.40 | MohammadAG | then change the faceplate |
| 13:57.55 | E0x | 2 months old not need change the faceplate |
| 13:57.55 | E0x | :P |
| 13:57.56 | MohammadAG | if you want to go to pre-out-of-the-box sell it on ebay and buy another one |
| 13:57.57 | javispedro | then send it to a fellow maemo.org member, which will send you back a new n900 ... |
| 13:58.03 | javispedro | (someday) |
| 13:58.15 | E0x | javispedro: heh |
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| 13:58.56 | javispedro | tmo is completely changed, I the threads I was following have been buried |
| 13:59.02 | javispedro | *all the threads |
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| 14:00.52 | alterego | Classic title: "Firmware PR1.2 Whats so different (20)" pahahaa |
| 14:01.02 | bigbrovar | since upgrading to PR1.2 i cant seem to get mail for exchange to work with gmail. syncing always fails |
| 14:01.04 | achipa | lcuk: from Nokia/Qt side we had sandman, shaneb, kate and tekojo, and most of the marmo.org crew (X-fade, stskeep) and I was the community representative |
| 14:01.10 | achipa | lcuk: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2010-04-22.log.html |
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| 14:02.02 | achipa | lcuk: also, recommended read: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/?p=1480 (section 'A note on PR1.1 vs PR1.2') |
| 14:02.33 | achipa | marmo... I guess it shows I'm in dire need of marmelade... |
| 14:02.45 | mirr0r | Anyone else has a problem with extras-testing and extra-dev repositories after updating to pr1.2? |
| 14:03.04 | alterego | I want more levels for Bounce Evolution .. |
| 14:03.06 | lcuk | achipa, i cant read/digest all that in one go, if there arent clear action points specified and followups then what can people do? |
| 14:03.22 | javispedro | achipa: woah, I completely missed that one :( |
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| 14:03.41 | achipa | lcuk: the point is that the actions were DETERMINED by the information presented |
| 14:03.51 | E0x | alterego: i want some mod for bounce that make it look like wipe-out |
| 14:04.07 | alterego | E0x: I thought it was already in there P |
| 14:04.10 | achipa | lcuk: http://achipa.blogspot.com/2010/04/operation-qt-shuffle.html |
| 14:04.24 | E0x | alterego: where !!? |
| 14:04.38 | bigbrovar | is anyone having issues with gmail mail for exchange after upgading to PR1.2? |
| 14:04.41 | achipa | this is the distilled action plan, but it is semi-meaningless as it is based on the wrong assumptions |
| 14:04.55 | bigbrovar | I have not been able to sync |
| 14:05.34 | alterego | E0x: Oh, you want the space ships over being a ball? :) |
| 14:05.43 | lcuk | achipa, so follow it up with the folks in the meeting. |
| 14:05.43 | Turks | anyone know how to get g++ installed on the n800 running itos08? |
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| 14:06.19 | MohammadAG | is anyone being annoyed that they don't have anything to wait for now? |
| 14:06.42 | E0x | alterego: yea |
| 14:06.49 | javispedro | free ovi maps navigation, MohammadAG. |
| 14:06.53 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'm waiting for PR1.3, with Qt 4.7 so I can use QML |
| 14:07.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: you're free to wait with me :) |
| 14:07.11 | lcuk | alterego, 4.7 is in -devel |
| 14:07.16 | MohammadAG | javispedro, go buy sygic |
| 14:07.21 | MohammadAG | alterego, ^ |
| 14:07.23 | alterego | lcuk: not on devices though is it :P |
| 14:07.26 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: meego |
| 14:07.27 | lcuk | so stop waiting, start writing and filing bugs and dont leave it till AFTER all the releases are made |
| 14:07.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG: not me, tmo! |
| 14:07.33 | lcuk | alterego, not the point |
| 14:07.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:07.39 | MohammadAG | tmo go buy sygic |
| 14:07.43 | achipa | lcuk: certainly will mention it. I'm certain the change wasn't malicious, but the whole council and meeting thing is there in theory so we could avoid cases *precisely* like this one |
| 14:07.59 | MohammadAG | lcuk, what about bacon 1.3? |
| 14:08.02 | alterego | lcuk: I'm being silly, there's literally nothing stopping me developing with QML. I was just trying to give MohammadAG something to look forward too ;) |
| 14:08.04 | lcuk | well achipa most of the pr1.2 was stabilised by the time that meeting occured |
| 14:08.13 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, won't touch anything RPM related for some time |
| 14:08.26 | achipa | alterego: what makes you think pr1.3 will contain qt 4.7 ? |
| 14:08.29 | lcuk | so whatever happened doesnt sound malicious its just dealing with whats feasible at the time with very busy people |
| 14:08.48 | achipa | lcuk: in that case someone forgot to tell us they changed the battle plan |
| 14:08.49 | alterego | achipa: that's the general consensus as far as I can tell. |
| 14:08.50 | lcuk | alterego, id like to see some simple qml things |
| 14:09.00 | MohammadAG | achipa, what makes you think there's a 1.3 :) |
| 14:09.03 | lcuk | achipa, follow up however you see fit |
| 14:09.12 | alterego | lcuk: I'm still just getting my toes wet. The docs for QML are pretty thin :/ |
| 14:09.14 | Turks | =( |
| 14:09.17 | achipa | lcuk: I wouldn't have it any other way ;D |
| 14:09.23 | lcuk | achipa, :) good |
| 14:09.26 | bigbrovar | Please is anyone having issues syncing with mail for exchange (gmail) I can only get it to work it says server not responding. plese all i need is a yes or no so i know whether its a isolated issue :S |
| 14:09.31 | lcuk | is pleased you are on the council |
| 14:09.42 | BCMM | did we get imap idle support? |
| 14:09.49 | MohammadAG | it's safe to assume that if no one said something, no one is having problems |
| 14:10.23 | lcuk | alterego, so simplicity |
| 14:10.23 | bigbrovar | cant* get it to work (mail for exchange) |
| 14:10.23 | lcuk | learning qml |
| 14:10.23 | lcuk | blog about it |
| 14:10.24 | lcuk | and post code |
| 14:10.24 | Turks | is confused and trying to compile software on the n800 |
| 14:10.44 | alterego | lcuk: how about I learn about it, post code, and you can blog about it .. As I do't have a blog .. :P |
| 14:10.57 | bigbrovar | smh |
| 14:11.00 | Stskeeps | Turks: you have to be confused trying to do that |
| 14:11.03 | Stskeeps | just look at lcuk ;p |
| 14:11.04 | mirr0r | I get 404 error when trying to refresh Maemo Extras-Devel, anyone knows why? |
| 14:11.36 | mirr0r | i googled, and in forum is 1 guy that has the same issue, but no replies to it yet |
| 14:11.42 | Turks | Stskeeps, no stranger to linux, just new to maemo/armel |
| 14:11.56 | X-Fade | mirr0r: put fremantle in the dist field of your catalog entry in AM. |
| 14:12.29 | lcuk | Stskeeps, trying to support maemo and fremantle makes me look confused? strange ;) |
| 14:12.38 | lcuk | X-Fade, any idea how long before SDK is back up |
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| 14:12.50 | mirr0r | X-Fade, awesome, thanks.. |
| 14:12.52 | lcuk | i want to re-test getting build-essential on a default device |
| 14:12.55 | lcuk | theres loads of space now |
| 14:13.00 | mirr0r | Weird though that its not there by default |
| 14:13.02 | X-Fade | lcuk: What kind of question is that? |
| 14:13.23 | lcuk | X-Fade, repos were down for update werent they? |
| 14:13.42 | X-Fade | no? |
| 14:14.26 | Turks | lcuk, mind giving me a hand at setting up a build env on diablo? =P |
| 14:14.39 | BCMM | still no portrait-mode list boxes |
| 14:14.58 | lcuk | Turks, its easy to get compiler directly on system, the -dev packages are larger |
| 14:15.00 | ZogG | BCMM еÑÑÐºÑ ÑÑÑ ÑÑÑÑ Ð»ÑÐ½Ñ ÑÑÑиÑÑÑеÑÑÑ Ð°Ñк зÑкекÑÑе - ÑÑ, |
| 14:15.03 | ZogG | ooops |
| 14:15.05 | ZogG | sorry |
| 14:15.06 | lcuk | if you are booting from mmc |
| 14:15.13 | lcuk | with lots of space its rly simple |
| 14:15.20 | ZogG | there was some keys combination for portrait mode in some programs? |
| 14:15.20 | BCMM | ZogG: i'm afraid i can't read cyrilic |
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| 14:15.25 | BCMM | ZogG: ? |
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| 14:15.46 | BCMM | ZogG: what i meant was the the browser still doesn't handle dropdowns in portrait mode |
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| 14:16.08 | alterego | ZogG: CTRL+SHIFT+R |
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| 14:17.31 | Turks | lcuk, apt says g++ conflicts, shouuld i deb-src packages to update these or is there a repo wi |
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| 14:17.55 | Turks | th a working g++ package? |
| 14:17.58 | lcuk | Turks, http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 14:18.03 | phellarv | Hmmm - My conversation-innbox-widget is gone after PR1.2 - Says it's installed, and the latest version, but no luck getting it onto the desktop. |
| 14:18.05 | lcuk | sdk and tools repositories are available |
| 14:18.13 | Turks | sorry, n800 keyboard sucks |
| 14:18.19 | lcuk | normally for use in scratchbox :) |
| 14:18.28 | mirr0r | phellarv, yea mine too |
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| 14:18.51 | phellarv | mirr0r: Hmmm - Wonder why? |
| 14:19.28 | Turks | lcuk, red pill mode doesnt have to be enabled for installing the toolchains for building source does it? |
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| 14:19.36 | mirr0r | i removed it, and am reinstalling it now |
| 14:19.42 | mirr0r | will see if that solves it |
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| 14:20.14 | maddler | howdy all! |
| 14:20.20 | mirr0r | heya maddler |
| 14:20.27 | lcuk | Turks, installing development kits has nothing really to do with HAM red pill stuff? |
| 14:20.28 | maddler | did anyone managed to start a videocall on 1.2? |
| 14:20.40 | alterego | Oh, nice, now maps remembers it's view settings. That was possibly one of my biggest annoyances .. |
| 14:20.48 | Turks | im new to maemo, lcuk =p |
| 14:21.22 | Turks | i got my n800 stuck in a bootloop with rpm on D= |
| 14:21.38 | lcuk | Turks, sure go slowly and carefully, things like devkits and sdk stuff is really a console thing |
| 14:21.45 | tybollt_ | rpm? |
| 14:21.52 | tybollt_ | then surely you're using ze meeko? |
| 14:22.08 | javispedro | meeko! |
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| 14:22.18 | javispedro | sounds better than meego. |
| 14:22.39 | Turks | tybollt_, red pill mode, lrn2osk ;) |
| 14:23.39 | Tuukka | Man... maemo sdk installer fails at 4/9 |
| 14:23.57 | lcuk | alterego, also, write a maemo blog app using qml :P |
| 14:24.17 | alterego | lcuk: hahah, nice idea ;) |
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| 14:25.32 | Turks | crap, maemo sdk repos have to be configured in console =( |
| 14:25.37 | GAN900 | frals, when are you going to handle vCard MMSes? |
| 14:25.46 | SuRfDeMoN | Hi, my nokia n900 says there is a maemo update and says I should do a backup, when I try to do a backup it just sits there saying backing up and stays at 0% to get rid of it I have to use the power button and end current task... any ideas what I'm doing wrong or why this could happen? |
| 14:25.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, |
| 14:25.59 | MohammadAG | Remember that bet we had about rootfs image flashing? |
| 14:26.01 | Tuukka | The sdk installer can't fetch http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0//armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz |
| 14:26.06 | MohammadAG | I owe you a beer :S |
| 14:26.12 | Tuukka | Can anyone help? |
| 14:26.26 | slingr | hrm |
| 14:26.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I'm curious, what was the bet about? :) |
| 14:26.36 | slingr | what are the major differences between the UK and USA versions? |
| 14:26.38 | X-Fade | Tuukka: Works for me? |
| 14:26.39 | slingr | is it just language? |
| 14:26.45 | MohammadAG | dd if=/dev/mtd5 of=desitnation.img |
| 14:26.48 | MohammadAG | then flash the file |
| 14:26.51 | MohammadAG | destination* |
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| 14:27.14 | javispedro | that can potentially corrupt the backup |
| 14:27.36 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 14:27.38 | alterego | Ooo, ussd codes should work now! |
| 14:27.39 | javispedro | for a start because /dev/mtd5 is mounted |
| 14:27.40 | alterego | tests |
| 14:27.42 | Tuukka | X-Fade, I have tried several times, but it can't get it :/ Could it have anything to do with the installer settings? |
| 14:27.45 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 14:27.47 | MohammadAG | did it in fedora |
| 14:27.50 | Tuukka | I used the defaul ones |
| 14:27.56 | javispedro | HOW? |
| 14:27.58 | alterego | schweet, |
| 14:27.58 | Turks | lcuk, are sdl applications usually fully supported when compiling on maemo? |
| 14:28.04 | MohammadAG | javispedro, booted fedora |
| 14:28.05 | alterego | I like how they've done it too. |
| 14:28.14 | javispedro | MohammadAG: but then what's /dev/mtd5? |
| 14:28.15 | X-Fade | Tuukka: Do can you download other things from the internet? |
| 14:28.15 | alterego | With No copy&paste :( |
| 14:28.25 | MohammadAG | javispedro, the rootfs node |
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| 14:28.38 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 14:28.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ah, you booted fedora on the n900. |
| 14:28.41 | MohammadAG | I booted fedora off the uSD |
| 14:28.44 | SuRfDeMoN | Any one got any ideas why backup just hangs? |
| 14:28.45 | javispedro | sorry. |
| 14:28.45 | Stskeeps | ah, ok |
| 14:28.46 | Tuukka | X-Fade, Yeah the sdk installer is able to dl other files |
| 14:28.46 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 14:28.57 | MohammadAG | slaps Stskeeps |
| 14:28.59 | X-Fade | Tuukka: Strange. |
| 14:29.01 | alterego | SuRfDeMoN: sometimes it takes a long time. |
| 14:29.08 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 14:29.19 | MohammadAG | maybe I should've actually got the image before I tried this :S |
| 14:29.27 | Stskeeps | why mtd5 fwiw? |
| 14:29.28 | X-Fade | Tuukka: Do you get a 404 error? |
| 14:29.30 | Stskeeps | and not mtdblock5 |
| 14:29.33 | Stskeeps | or wtf it's called |
| 14:29.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:29.35 | SuRfDeMoN | alterego: oh ok, its only a few days old though, not installed that many apps either, |
| 14:29.40 | Tuukka | yeah if i go to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0//armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz |
| 14:29.45 | Tuukka | with browser |
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| 14:29.54 | slingr | what are the major differences between the UK and USA versions? Just wondering what version I should get being in Canada. If its just the language I'd get the UK but if it's others specific to north america.... |
| 14:30.26 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, root's on mtd5 afaik |
| 14:30.32 | MohammadAG | cat'd /proc/mtd |
| 14:30.52 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you take down 4 packages? :) |
| 14:31.11 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Sure, but not now. |
| 14:31.17 | ZogG | BCMM the longpress in browser is awesome thoug =) |
| 14:31.18 | MohammadAG | :( |
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| 14:31.21 | ZogG | though* |
| 14:31.30 | BCMM | ZogG: what longpress? |
| 14:31.43 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, anyways, remove all my packages from -devel, restore it to SDK only as my version broke the autobuilder http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db/ |
| 14:32.37 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ah, that is bad. Let me remove it. |
| 14:32.45 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 14:32.54 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db-n900/ if anyone's interested, this one works |
| 14:32.58 | style | Hi, is there software or something to make nokia n900 -> computer internet link as ethernetcontroller or something like that? Using pc-suite it "names" n900 as modem connection and then max link speed (usin One Touch Access) is 921.6Kbps, that sucks |
| 14:33.05 | MohammadAG | (and doesn't conflict with the SDK) |
| 14:33.05 | ZogG | BCMM there is enable rotation in options |
| 14:33.10 | BCMM | ZogG: yes |
| 14:33.23 | BCMM | ZogG: but what do you mean by "the longpress in browser"? |
| 14:33.50 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: " |
| 14:33.55 | tybollt_ | The Official reason for not porting MeeGo is the screen technology. |
| 14:33.56 | tybollt_ | MeeGo doesn't seem to have support for resistive screen - may be it will be added later. |
| 14:34.00 | tybollt_ | " |
| 14:34.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: removed. |
| 14:34.05 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: any truth to that |
| 14:34.07 | tybollt_ | = |
| 14:34.10 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, thanks (cc lcuk) |
| 14:34.11 | tybollt_ | ? |
| 14:34.16 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Also note that it is in nokia-binaries now too. |
| 14:34.30 | javispedro | X-Fade: MAN-DB??? |
| 14:34.37 | MohammadAG | err |
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| 14:34.51 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, man-db is not a nokia binary |
| 14:34.52 | X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, check the page ;) |
| 14:34.53 | MohammadAG | I'll sue! |
| 14:34.55 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 14:35.00 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: quote? |
| 14:35.01 | X-Fade | javispedro: http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db/ |
| 14:35.10 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: source, i mean |
| 14:35.20 | ZogG | BCMM touch screen for a while |
| 14:35.21 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you also revert the maintainer please? |
| 14:35.26 | Tuukka | Blaah... the sdk installer script is old... It tries do dl a older version of the file |
| 14:35.29 | ZogG | on picture or link or whatever |
| 14:35.35 | javispedro | X-Fade: O.o. |
| 14:35.39 | mirr0r | phellarv, it worked for me, i reinstalled and the widget was there again |
| 14:35.45 | MohammadAG | says SDK repo here... |
| 14:35.48 | X-Fade | javispedro: Will ping Marcell. |
| 14:35.52 | BCMM | ZogG: doesn't that just give a context menu? |
| 14:35.57 | X-Fade | javispedro: That can't be right. |
| 14:35.58 | Tuukka | Where do i get the newest python gui sdk installer? |
| 14:36.00 | MohammadAG | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/man-db/man-db_2.5.1-3maemo1_armel.deb |
| 14:36.06 | MohammadAG | says free |
| 14:36.11 | MohammadAG | Am I missing something? |
| 14:36.22 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: comment section of the engadget story |
| 14:36.28 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: nfi |
| 14:36.32 | javispedro | engadget story? |
| 14:36.34 | javispedro | heh! |
| 14:36.42 | BCMM | ZogG: it give a context menu - but at least in 1.2 it reliably notices if you did it over a link |
| 14:37.03 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: ask quim and peter |
| 14:37.04 | MohammadAG | BCMM, the context menu also works in portrait mode |
| 14:37.09 | BCMM | oh! |
| 14:37.13 | BCMM | good |
| 14:37.24 | BCMM | that was bothering me, before |
| 14:37.49 | lcuk | wow, if its screen technology i wonder how the hell you can use the nokia qt sdk on a desktop without even a touchscreen at all! |
| 14:37.58 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 14:38.05 | phellarv | mirr0r: Kk - Then I will try that too |
| 14:38.17 | ZogG | no WM controls in portrait |
| 14:38.18 | BCMM | lcuk: perhaps they mean the UI will *require* multitouch? |
| 14:38.22 | MohammadAG | lcuk, you imagine one |
| 14:38.23 | javispedro | exactly |
| 14:38.23 | ZogG | can't change pages |
| 14:38.25 | ZogG | as not abs |
| 14:38.27 | BCMM | lcuk: (stupid, but possible) |
| 14:38.28 | MohammadAG | or use two mice |
| 14:38.29 | javispedro | I've heard that excuse sometimes. |
| 14:38.46 | lcuk | BCMM, that does not get away from the fact you have to build/test these things |
| 14:38.54 | lcuk | and the qt sdk includes a nice simulator |
| 14:38.56 | MohammadAG | Mouse with akimbo attachment |
| 14:39.16 | Ikarus | *poke* |
| 14:39.37 | Ikarus | anyone know where a friend of mine can find the OS2008 SDK (Ubuntu boot image) |
| 14:40.20 | tybollt_ | o/ I think I just poked on stskeeps NDA spot ;) |
| 14:40.32 | X-Fade | javispedro: ah, no my mistake. Will fix ;) Import gone wrong. |
| 14:40.41 | ZogG | no conversation widget? |
| 14:41.05 | ZogG | play button doesn't work =) |
| 14:41.11 | ZogG | on media also |
| 14:41.15 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: harmattan UI framework widgets gallery works fine doesn't it? |
| 14:41.53 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: ehr I have no idea - that shit is not public is it? |
| 14:42.08 | phellarv | mirr0r: Did you have to reboot, or anything other than reinstalling? |
| 14:42.12 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: it's in extras-devel |
| 14:42.14 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, it is |
| 14:42.16 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 14:42.24 | ZogG | my nokia in settings =) |
| 14:42.26 | MohammadAG | and it segfaults your theme selector |
| 14:42.30 | tybollt_ | oh olrite then |
| 14:42.32 | MohammadAG | ZogG, don't unsubscribe |
| 14:42.35 | alterego | Pahahah: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/25/meps_to_get_ipads/ |
| 14:42.45 | MohammadAG | you send a message and get a refusal message |
| 14:43.19 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Which you pay for. |
| 14:43.54 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, which is why I said don't unsubscribe :) |
| 14:43.54 | ZogG | MohammadAG why not? |
| 14:43.54 | MohammadAG | ^ |
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| 14:44.02 | ZogG | pay for waht? |
| 14:44.06 | SpeedEvil | The SMS |
| 14:44.12 | ZogG | if i send |
| 14:44.19 | ZogG | or if they send too? |
| 14:44.24 | ZogG | they wouldn't anyway =) |
| 14:44.41 | ZogG | maybe Torne only, to make me feel less lonely |
| 14:49.15 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 14:49.19 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: ping |
| 14:49.19 | MohammadAG | OH CRAP |
| 14:49.26 | MohammadAG | lcuk, PR1.2 clears /opt right? |
| 14:49.36 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 14:49.47 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:/opt# ls |
| 14:49.47 | SpeedEvil | ask-ziggy lib pedometerhomewidget |
| 14:49.47 | SpeedEvil | batlevel maemo pymaemo |
| 14:49.48 | SpeedEvil | ... |
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| 14:50.05 | MohammadAG | checks bugzilla |
| 14:50.14 | MohammadAG | I think it was bug 7432 |
| 14:50.15 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash |
| 14:50.15 | MohammadAG | or sth |
| 14:50.29 | Stskeeps | reflash, not ota |
| 14:50.39 | MohammadAG | I reflashed... |
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| 14:50.41 | SpeedEvil | never flashed, just OTA'd |
| 14:51.06 | slingr | USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8. |
| 14:51.11 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 14:51.13 | slingr | that just gonna sit there for awhile? |
| 14:51.21 | MohammadAG | why are there all regions except Israel... |
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| 14:52.14 | pexi | its called usa |
| 14:52.22 | javispedro | MohammadAG: reflash should kill /opt iirc |
| 14:52.31 | javispedro | there's a file you can put in /var |
| 14:52.34 | javispedro | in /var? |
| 14:52.37 | javispedro | hmpf. |
| 14:52.57 | MohammadAG | already cleared I guess... |
| 14:52.57 | phellarv | conversations-inbox-widget does not work for me after PR1.2 flash..... |
| 14:52.59 | phellarv | argh |
| 14:53.06 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: because nobody lives in israel |
| 14:53.23 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I'm not a nobody you racist aus |
| 14:53.24 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 14:53.56 | Turks | anyone know how to use aim/yahoo/etc with the onboard maemo chat application? |
| 14:53.58 | joppu | I'd like to create a desktop comman execution widget that open terminal and executes a command. possible? |
| 14:54.28 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: well, you may be a zionist, doesn't mean medinat yisra'el exists. |
| 14:54.31 | joppu | Turks: install "extra conversations protocols" |
| 14:54.53 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 14:55.13 | Turks | joppu, figured as much. silly that theyre listed but not enabled =/ |
| 14:56.23 | lcuk | timeless, pong |
| 14:56.26 | lcuk | MohammadAG, yes |
| 14:56.52 | MohammadAG | lcuk, suggestion for PR1.3 |
| 14:57.02 | MohammadAG | replace the calendar with liqcalendar XD |
| 14:57.05 | style | is joikuspot light (free) available on n900? |
| 14:57.10 | javispedro | lcuk: btw, did you get to implement that /home/opt/please-do-not-clean-opt file? |
| 14:57.11 | lcuk | MohammadAG, sure |
| 14:57.32 | chadi | Does skype support proxy settings in PR1.2? |
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| 14:58.22 | opdf2 | SpeedEvil: Is the OTA just as stable as a nsu flash? |
| 14:58.27 | lcuk | javispedro, no it was discussed and not implemented. engineers could not see a need and it was too late in the process to have full dialog about it |
| 14:58.51 | javispedro | ah, I see. |
| 15:00.02 | MohammadAG | I wonder if apt got crippled more :) |
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| 15:00.17 | joppu | Turks: did you add the accounts already? |
| 15:01.35 | Turks | joppu, yea but they didnt show up. why? |
| 15:02.39 | joppu | that's weird... |
| 15:03.03 | Turks | linux is weird |
| 15:03.23 | joppu | huh...? |
| 15:03.25 | joppu | nope |
| 15:03.32 | opdf2 | any important uninstallations before 1.2? |
| 15:03.42 | Turks | pidgin does the same thing sometimes, depends on how its packaged |
| 15:05.52 | MohammadAG | ~ping |
| 15:06.12 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:06.12 | MohammadAG | damn bot |
| 15:06.26 | MohammadAG | opdf2, no |
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| 15:09.20 | phellarv | Bug 10232 is still in the released FW. Hrmf. |
| 15:09.21 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10232 Could not open , and not show up in widget setting |
| 15:09.22 | javispedro | games! |
| 15:09.28 | javispedro | games, games, every one loves games. |
| 15:09.52 | javispedro | phellarv: a bug filed this 4 days ago not fixed yet? |
| 15:09.53 | javispedro | hah! |
| 15:10.00 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:10.05 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 15:10.34 | phellarv | javispedro: Well Bug 10150 is the same |
| 15:10.36 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10150 Conversations Widget for N900 |
| 15:10.49 | javispedro | I had to wait one and a half years for this update .... which includes official PAP support. |
| 15:11.22 | phellarv | Anyone else using the conversation-inbox-widget, and cannot get it to work in PR1.2? |
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| 15:11.30 | alterego | It's interesting how this time the UK got it first :) |
| 15:11.49 | alterego | We're usually the last, though I always use the global image anyway. |
| 15:11.55 | opdf2 | phellarv: did u update to the newest conversation version? I think it's 1.1.1 |
| 15:12.06 | javispedro | btw |
| 15:12.08 | phellarv | opdf2: Uhm? |
| 15:12.17 | javispedro | anyone know why the status area in portrait mode was removed? |
| 15:12.38 | javispedro | the previous hildon-desktop GIT i was using had it, now I am on the 1.2 hildon-desktop and it doesn't have it :S |
| 15:12.39 | opdf2 | phellarv: there was a new conversation widget released in preparation for 1.2 |
| 15:13.25 | phellarv | opdf2: Aha - So I might have to get extras-devel up and running? |
| 15:13.41 | Turks | joppu, cant find them in the catalogs |
| 15:14.03 | Khertan | javispedro, the status area is here for me under pr1.2 ... but can't click on it |
| 15:14.13 | javispedro | Khertan: exactly that |
| 15:14.21 | javispedro | Khertan: I'm pretty sure I could click on it... |
| 15:14.32 | javispedro | is starting to think he dreamt it. |
| 15:14.41 | Turks | and is using apt-get autoremove safe on maemo? |
| 15:14.43 | Khertan | javispedro, you could before ... but result in many error when clicking on menu |
| 15:15.01 | Khertan | s/error/mistake |
| 15:15.22 | Khertan | someone know how to access to theme icon from Qt ? |
| 15:15.28 | Khertan | someone know how to access to maemo theme icon from Qt ? |
| 15:15.56 | opdf2 | phellarv: Yes it is in devel |
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| 15:18.58 | phellarv | opdf2: Thanks alot. |
| 15:19.06 | opdf2 | Is it working? |
| 15:19.07 | phellarv | opdf2: Now it's working all fine |
| 15:19.09 | joppu | Turks: what catalog have you enabled? |
| 15:19.10 | opdf2 | oh great |
| 15:19.24 | Turks | alot? |
| 15:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 15:19.40 | infobot | rumour has it, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
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| 15:20.02 | lcuk | ~recursion |
| 15:20.03 | infobot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
| 15:20.09 | MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 |
| 15:20.16 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 15:20.24 | MohammadAG | ~unforget pr1.3 |
| 15:20.24 | infobot | MohammadAG: Successfully recovered 'pr1.3'. Have fun now. |
| 15:20.27 | MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 |
| 15:20.28 | infobot | methinks pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 15:20.31 | Appiah | when will we see PR2.0 ? PR1.x feels old |
| 15:20.34 | Appiah | ducks |
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| 15:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | methinks ibot is right |
| 15:21.23 | lcuk | Appiah, whenever you want to get started thats fine |
| 15:21.34 | slonopotamus | anyone has patches for gst-plugins-dsp making it build with (enabled by them) -Werror? |
| 15:21.52 | joppu | Turks: well enable devel and try to update to thr version |
| 15:22.14 | MohammadAG | A warning would've been better... |
| 15:22.16 | MohammadAG | ~devel |
| 15:22.24 | MohammadAG | ~extras-devel |
| 15:22.25 | infobot | from memory, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel |
| 15:22.27 | Turks | devel is enabled iirc |
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| 15:23.15 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 15:23.31 | slonopotamus | okay, anyone has anything else useful for me? :) |
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| 15:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | >>see ~flashing for how to update<< WTF? No SSU? |
| 15:24.55 | MohammadAG | tomorrow |
| 15:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | aah, k |
| 15:25.09 | MohammadAG | or if someone has the time... |
| 15:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 15:25.18 | MohammadAG | set up a community SSU, we'll need it sooner or later |
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| 15:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | bah, I could even wait til next week |
| 15:26.29 | MohammadAG | WTF |
| 15:26.32 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.43 | MohammadAG | oh, .1 |
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| 15:27.02 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no changes in usb related stuff. |
| 15:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | no surprise |
| 15:27.22 | TigerTael | God, my N900 is super awesome now! |
| 15:27.31 | javispedro | we were using the 1.2 kernel either way for testing. |
| 15:27.42 | opdf2 | how much root must be free for OTA? |
| 15:27.43 | pupnik | why TigerTael |
| 15:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 15:27.56 | javispedro | well the released one is not the same as the sdk one yet... |
| 15:28.02 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG: maemo deps strings are just broken |
| 15:28.16 | javispedro | needs to check changelog of kernel.. |
| 15:28.21 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: and deps on exact version in general |
| 15:28.28 | slonopotamus | err |
| 15:28.32 | slonopotamus | missed |
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| 15:29.27 | MohammadAG | javispedro, NOT? the same? |
| 15:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: sorry for my stubbornness but I can't imagine you were totally off with your idea to restore whatever state we need, to musb core |
| 15:29.38 | javispedro | MohammadAG: yes, it's NOT the same. |
| 15:29.39 | MohammadAG | cause I flashed my custom kernel |
| 15:29.44 | MohammadAG | oh well |
| 15:29.49 | MohammadAG | I never even saw the changes |
| 15:29.55 | MohammadAG | maybe they fixed the driver (ha!) |
| 15:29.56 | frals | GAN900: err, when someone tells me how to handle them properly i could probably do that ;) |
| 15:29.57 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'm starting to think that too. |
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| 15:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: there HAS to be a way to set musb core registers |
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| 15:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: think about suspend to ram/even_disk |
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| 15:30.54 | MohammadAG | how do I change the build number? |
| 15:30.54 | GAN900 | frals, I think it just sends the raw vCard |
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| 15:31.11 | GAN900 | frals, so dbus it over to address book, maybe? |
| 15:31.14 | t-tan | there are no interesting changes in the latest PR1.2 kernel patches |
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| 15:31.38 | t-tan | basically they disabled SmartReflex and fixed memory leaks in WLAN |
| 15:31.49 | javispedro | well the later one is interesting at least.. |
| 15:31.50 | frals | GAN900: ill do some testing and see how hard it is, i suspect its trivial to do it but not sure when ill have the time to look in to it |
| 15:31.59 | microlith | wow |
| 15:32.02 | microlith | the locust swarm descends |
| 15:32.16 | javispedro | t-tan: disabled as in removed its sysfs nodes? |
| 15:32.38 | t-tan | javispedro: yes, and it ignores settings != 0 |
| 15:32.54 | javispedro | quite bold move, and late in the release process. |
| 15:33.03 | javispedro | == device fried danger panic? |
| 15:33.34 | loufoque | t-tan: supposedly PR 1.2 makes the gps less crappy |
| 15:33.37 | javispedro | wishes he could read minds |
| 15:33.45 | loufoque | i've yet to try that |
| 15:33.50 | frals | uh, anyone with a freshly flashed pr1.2 who could try to apt-get install python-gobject? |
| 15:33.53 | GAN900 | frals, just wanted to put it up on your radar. |
| 15:34.07 | frals | GAN900: added to the almighty list :) |
| 15:34.13 | GAN900 | frals, just got one this morning and didn't realize they were handled through MMS |
| 15:34.17 | javispedro | frals: I already have it installed |
| 15:34.17 | t-tan | loufoque: possible, but that's not due to a kernel fix |
| 15:34.30 | javispedro | frals: the only python app I have is fmradio iirc. |
| 15:34.49 | t-tan | javispedro: NB#160765 - remove sysfs interface that allows user to enable Smartleflex |
| 15:35.05 | javispedro | I don't have access to NB# |
| 15:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: which all sounds very good to me :-) esp fixing leaks |
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| 15:35.49 | slingr | ?? repo |
| 15:35.55 | t-tan | they have at least 160000 internals bugs... :) |
| 15:35.58 | slingr | where is that list of repositories? |
| 15:36.45 | frals | javispedro: ok, im getting user reports that fmms fails to install because it cant pull in python-gobject |
| 15:36.58 | t-tan | if you want to flck through it, here's the patch http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/nokia-20101501%2b0m5.diff |
| 15:37.10 | frals | i suspect its because python-gobject seems to be in nokia-binaries now |
| 15:37.37 | X-Fade | frals: Can be because of package domains. |
| 15:37.51 | javispedro | frals: I reflashed, not OTA. |
| 15:37.53 | Khertan | frals, python-gobject is already the newest version. |
| 15:38.03 | Khertan | installed with pygtkeditor |
| 15:38.33 | frals | alright, cheers |
| 15:38.34 | frals | hmm, nokia-binaries got some stoneage 2.14.2 while extras got 2.16.1 :/ |
| 15:38.46 | javispedro | what's up with nokia-binaries getting so many stuff? |
| 15:38.47 | frals | but only listed in i386 otoh |
| 15:38.52 | frals | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-gobject/ |
| 15:39.02 | X-Fade | javispedro: qt-mobility |
| 15:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: now isn't that bold? |
| 15:39.39 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: pr_warning("VDD2 smartreflex is broken\n"); |
| 15:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: just removing the sysfs nodes sounds like a nasty thing to me |
| 15:39.58 | javispedro | wonders what qt-mobility guys are doing with python, but decides not to pursue that mental thread. |
| 15:40.01 | Khertan | frals, hum ... it s listed in every repositories |
| 15:40.17 | Khertan | javispedro, ? |
| 15:40.32 | frals | i might just write it off as user error ;) |
| 15:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: 'broken' as in 'will fry the CPU'? |
| 15:40.39 | frals | anyways time to prepare the dinner, laters o/ |
| 15:41.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's exactly what I though. quite a bold move and late in release? fried devices for sure. |
| 15:41.07 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: yep. normal users don't know how to enable it anyway |
| 15:41.21 | javispedro | or some other panicish reason. |
| 15:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: t-tan Yes probably |
| 15:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | in which case it's quite sane to remove the sysfs nodes |
| 15:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | smartreflex was attributed "unstable" from very beginning |
| 15:43.02 | javispedro | and it was. |
| 15:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | which could be a hw design issue or even a silicon erratum |
| 15:43.20 | pvanhoof | hey guys, when I install that new firmware, will it retain all my contacts and settings? |
| 15:43.27 | pvanhoof | and if not, can I use backup and then restore ? |
| 15:43.44 | pvanhoof | And if I use backup/restore, will I loose things? |
| 15:43.50 | Scelt | lose |
| 15:43.54 | auenf | flash, no, OTA, yes |
| 15:43.55 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: read the changelog part? |
| 15:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | off for a coffee |
| 15:44.00 | pupnik | honestly, calling a kernel+libs "firmware" is silly |
| 15:44.01 | javispedro | new flash chip for camera |
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| 15:44.16 | Scelt | javispedro: where's changelog? |
| 15:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: not read anything bout 1.2 yet (except the changelog maybe) |
| 15:44.33 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I mean the kernel changelog, it's in the diff. |
| 15:44.43 | lcuk | pvanhoof, your software is on the device! surely you should know this stuff already as part of original testing ;) :p (hint, yes backup/restore will keep all that and let you restore after a flash even) |
| 15:44.54 | MohammadAG | UGH |
| 15:45.02 | MohammadAG | someone removed apt v12 from the repos |
| 15:45.11 | t-tan | they removed it on 16 Mar 2010. could it lead to battery problems? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=580479#post580479 |
| 15:45.12 | pvanhoof | lcuk, ok :) |
| 15:45.16 | pvanhoof | lcuk, just double checking! :) |
| 15:45.32 | pvanhoof | lcuk, I know tracker's data will be backup/restored, but not sure about the other team's stuff |
| 15:45.48 | crs | Hi there. Any other rss reader which supports google's reader other than grr? |
| 15:46.15 | lcuk | pvanhoof, perhaps you should also do similar tests on other systems too :) |
| 15:46.42 | lcuk | fremantle backup/restore works well and pretty much all core apps handle it properly |
| 15:47.32 | Kegetys | does the flasher update erase mydocs as well? The wiki page for updating the firmware says backup/restore backs up the files there but that doesnt seem right when the backup is 50MB and I have 10GB of data there |
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| 15:47.45 | t-tan | wonders why kernel-power has been on the front page of maemo.org for days (category hot). does it warm up the devices? |
| 15:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: aiui SR drives the regulators dynamically. Of course this will save *a little* energy, but also may introduce problems with slew rates for the core voltages rising/falling on clock changes |
| 15:48.19 | pupnik | :) wow |
| 15:48.28 | hrw | crs: I would not say that grr is rss reader |
| 15:48.38 | cato` | is the ovi store down? |
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| 15:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: imagine for example the external capacitors of GAIA regulators aren't up to spec, or the traces too long, or whatever |
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| 15:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: then each 600->250 transition could cause a 10ms overload of the CPU internal smartreflex per-gate regulators |
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| 15:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: something along that line |
| 15:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: it's extremely complex |
| 15:51.21 | t-tan | Nokia doesn't seem to have someone working on SR: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633#c35 |
| 15:51.22 | povbot` | Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default |
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| 15:52.23 | X-Fade | t-tan: Only disables VDD2 SR? |
| 15:52.29 | X-Fade | t-tan: VDD1 should still be available. |
| 15:53.10 | BCMM | is it just me, or has the option to search by name/description in the app manager gone in 1.2? |
| 15:53.23 | X-Fade | BCMM: Start typing |
| 15:53.41 | X-Fade | BCMM: Livesearch everywhere. |
| 15:54.07 | SpeedEvil | SR may not be stable on all devices |
| 15:54.38 | SpeedEvil | (just a suggestion, I do not have several hundred devices to do exhaustive tests on. |
| 15:55.04 | SpeedEvil | (I can provide address for such devices to be shipped to by PM, if required) |
| 15:55.04 | t-tan | X-Fade: you seem to be right |
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| 15:55.35 | X-Fade | t-tan: Always :) |
| 15:55.37 | Kegetys | doesnt seem like the backup contains anything from mydocs so the wiki page is wrong I guess |
| 15:55.59 | t-tan | X-Fade: how is the autobuilder upgrade going? |
| 15:56.28 | X-Fade | t-tan: Builder is done, interface repos are being imported/configured now. |
| 15:57.17 | t-tan | X-Fade: I wonder why my upload this morning did not get imported but later other uploads did |
| 15:57.53 | X-Fade | t-tan: There is some kind of race issue I think, not easy to find at least. |
| 15:58.11 | t-tan | X-Fade: should I reupload? |
| 15:58.31 | X-Fade | t-tan: Probably best as SDK got updated too. |
| 15:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'm going to help on that :-P |
| 15:59.03 | X-Fade | Anyway, dinner first, will continue in a while. |
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| 15:59.16 | Kegetys | so... anyone know if flasher erases MyDocs or not? |
| 15:59.28 | t-tan | X-Fade: ok, thanks. bon appetit |
| 15:59.36 | puzzled | anyone know how I can backup my N900 sms messages? Nokia PC Suite does see them and Ovi Suite does not seem to support the N900 |
| 16:00.00 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: maaan! autocleaner continues to remove my uploads of sflphone-client-gnome |
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| 16:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: onlyif you flash a EMMC image |
| 16:00.37 | crs | hrw: Is very bad, I know, but this is the only google reader enabled client I think. Unless someone can point me to different one... |
| 16:01.15 | slonopotamus | X-Fade: how much its logic is broken so that it thinks that package is outdated when it is the _only_ available version? |
| 16:01.38 | hrw | crs: opera mobile? |
| 16:01.51 | hrw | crs: microb + greasemonkey? |
| 16:01.56 | Kegetys | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks. |
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| 16:02.40 | MohammadAG | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 16:02.40 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.40 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.47 | MohammadAG | unfixed their 'fix' |
| 16:02.58 | crs | hrw: rss client, not a webbrowser. :) |
| 16:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | just another question: does pr1.2 nuke my ~ and /opt now? |
| 16:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | as suggested in this notorious ticket? |
| 16:03.34 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK only /opt |
| 16:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | nasty enough |
| 16:04.12 | hrw | crs: I do not use offline n900 |
| 16:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | but saves Nokia from a massive air strike |
| 16:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | nuking my ~, I think I'm dreaming nightmares :-S |
| 16:04.59 | microlith | good to see nokia continues to fail on Vsync |
| 16:05.09 | microlith | yay tearing |
| 16:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:05.24 | Stskeeps | i don't understand what everyone's problems is with that. |
| 16:05.29 | slonopotamus | so... |
| 16:05.29 | slonopotamus | where's PR1.3? |
| 16:05.33 | Stskeeps | we have upgraded sgx libs in meego 1.0 + driver |
| 16:05.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:05.36 | microlith | Stskeeps: it looks like shit |
| 16:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | summons raster |
| 16:05.50 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: you! |
| 16:05.55 | sjgadsby | slonopotamus: Please do not create another thread on t.m.o asking that. |
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| 16:06.05 | slonopotamus | sjgadsby: hehe |
| 16:06.09 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: it also erases all your memories. You won't know that you lost something |
| 16:06.47 | MohammadAG | wow if it nuked my xchat logs I would've lost my British council PIN |
| 16:06.54 | MohammadAG | I PM'd it to myself :) |
| 16:06.57 | lcuk | microlith, my n810 and n900 doesnt tear? |
| 16:07.04 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: 1. have patches for gst-plugins-dsp? 2. can you reformat mbx code to unix line endings? 3. have a git repo with kernel patches for n8x0? |
| 16:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: the coords of the balistic missile were preprogrammed :-P just needs a 'huh? what's that red button for?' |
| 16:08.00 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: what patches? 2) possibly, my git repo 3) we have packaging |
| 16:09.39 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: it has -Werror unconditionally and dies on write/read where it doesn't handle return value |
| 16:09.41 | achipa | X-Fade: there were a few packages missing in the nokia repo (libtq4-script and libqt4-test, f.e.), which have been updated since but still show up as missing dependencies in the maemo.org interface. Will this resolve itself automatically after a while or does something need to be poked ? |
| 16:10.23 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: i mean, gcc produces error |
| 16:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: actually for some important things I got what we call a "totmannschalter" here for trains. Sort of a watchdog. Nokia is welcome to erase all my memory, I would be happy to get rid of some of it :-P |
| 16:11.25 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: 2 would be cool, in current state git diff produces \r crap on each line |
| 16:12.10 | MohammadAG | Fremantle Nokia-binaries explicit i386 <-- uhuh |
| 16:12.15 | MohammadAG | man-db is there... |
| 16:12.16 | t-tan | DocScrutinizer: just reflash your brian :) |
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| 16:12.27 | t-tan | s/brian/brain/ |
| 16:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: can't find the 'q' button XP |
| 16:12.49 | MohammadAG | t-tan, too much risk of breaking the bootloader :) |
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| 16:13.37 | MohammadAG | gives DocScrutinizer his beer - 2:1 |
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| 16:13.51 | Turks | what package contains sdl config? |
| 16:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | fool - listen to stskeeps |
| 16:14.05 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: it's called the same in English, too: dead man's switch |
| 16:14.08 | crs | hrw: neither do I but I do not want to use webbrowser to access rss articles. Have you ever seen newsbeuter? |
| 16:14.23 | t-tan | I just this for reflashing: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2595468793_5b981b6b0d.jpg |
| 16:14.25 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i can do a lot of stuff later this week, if i'm not comatose from not sleeping enough :P |
| 16:14.50 | crs | hrw: Brilliant rss client, recently supporting google reader so you might have many clients in different places. |
| 16:14.56 | Ian-- | people regarding pr1.2 - what do you suggest if i have only 47mb free on rootfs. should i wait for tomorrow OTA and try to upgrade or reflash and install everything again? |
| 16:15.01 | TigerTael | How do I get rid of User Guide? |
| 16:15.12 | crs | hrw: and they all are synced by google reader. Nice solution. |
| 16:15.12 | MohammadAG | t-tan, fscked up partitioning if you ask me |
| 16:15.14 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 16:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | Ian--: 47MB free? I suggest you do a jigg dance of joy |
| 16:16.01 | t-tan | unfortunately it also doesnt support hostmode ;) |
| 16:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: uninstall? rm ? |
| 16:17.48 | E0x | Ian--: you can do dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt then , when you reflash do dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt |
| 16:17.57 | E0x | that will automatic install everything again |
| 16:18.33 | lcuk | E0x, tsk tsk |
| 16:18.43 | TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, it's not listed in uninstall... |
| 16:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk++ |
| 16:18.54 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: sleeping is for weak :) |
| 16:19.01 | lcuk | Ian--, use the backup application to have your settings and app choices and repos all saved happily |
| 16:19.14 | lcuk | then do whatever you have to do to update, then restore if required |
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| 16:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | sleeping is overrated anyway |
| 16:19.33 | lcuk | it restores settings and catalogues and even opens app manager with nice list of apps to restore |
| 16:19.40 | E0x | oh backup app save the selection ? |
| 16:19.40 | E0x | nice |
| 16:19.48 | lcuk | E0x, your method requires getting root |
| 16:19.54 | Ian-- | yes i know that's what i did for pr1.1.1 ...just i guess OTA would be much easier |
| 16:19.55 | Ian-- | lol |
| 16:19.56 | lcuk | which requires getting network config working |
| 16:20.02 | lcuk | which requires going onto repositories |
| 16:20.03 | lcuk | etc |
| 16:20.05 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: overrating is also overrated, you know |
| 16:20.12 | lcuk | restore involves clicking restore ;) |
| 16:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: excempt the apt-get install foo |
| 16:20.33 | MohammadAG | t-tan, http://xkcd.com/644/ :) |
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| 16:20.56 | Shapeshifter | Any ideas how I'd be able to install mp-fremantle-generic-pr? I uninstalled it because I needed qt4.6 from the SDK repo. Now I can't update OTA because I can't install it anymore, because "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libqt4-gui (= 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5) but 4.6.2~git20100310-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed" and so on. (and I can't find my usb cable for a regular flash) |
| 16:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: for which I got my own little apt-get wrapper now |
| 16:21.22 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, backup/restore does all the normal apps? |
| 16:21.25 | lcuk | you may however have more |
| 16:21.30 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, apt-get --reinstall install libqt4-gui? |
| 16:21.30 | lcuk | since you are a god etc |
| 16:22.09 | opdf2 | man getting rootfs free is too tough. I think I'm forced to use NSU |
| 16:22.17 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: mhh. "Reinstallation of libqt4-gui is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" |
| 16:22.29 | MohammadAG | rm -rf /* (seriously DON'T do that) |
| 16:22.42 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, fake a package :) |
| 16:22.56 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: does that even work in busybox? I know it doesn't in normal bash. |
| 16:23.11 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: --no-preserve-root |
| 16:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please add a # to head if line |
| 16:23.13 | Shapeshifter | you know |
| 16:23.33 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, feel free to try it |
| 16:23.37 | Shapeshifter | :> |
| 16:23.40 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: rootfs 227.4M 139.5M 83.8M 62% / |
| 16:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | the way you posted it it's syntactically correct |
| 16:24.01 | hrw | Shapeshifter: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:24.12 | MohammadAG | or that |
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| 16:24.33 | Turks | sorry for the simple question but whats the command to purge apt's local package cache? |
| 16:24.39 | lardman|home | hmm, PR1.2 is out, interesting |
| 16:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: never post potentially destructive cmdlines in a executable form |
| 16:24.59 | hrw | lardman|home: nearly half year before my rumour |
| 16:25.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dd... nvm |
| 16:25.09 | lardman|home | hrw: lol |
| 16:25.13 | lardman|home | how long has it been out? |
| 16:25.16 | Shapeshifter | hrw: doesn't seem like that pulls in "PR1.2". It's no different from the normal apt-get upgrade. just the new pyqt4 and some other minor stuff |
| 16:25.24 | lardman|home | ~curse having too much work to do |
| 16:25.30 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, having too much work to do ! |
| 16:25.30 | MohammadAG | hrw, rootfs 232868 128860 99728 56% / |
| 16:25.48 | lcuk | lardman|home, \o heya |
| 16:25.50 | hrw | lardman|home: flash images today, ota tomorrow |
| 16:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: hmm? |
| 16:25.55 | Shapeshifter | meh I'll just wait until tomorrow and borrow a cable |
| 16:26.02 | hrw | off |
| 16:26.07 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: cool, so I'm not that far behind the times then ;) |
| 16:26.08 | Shapeshifter | one more day of waiting doesn't really make a difference, does it now |
| 16:26.17 | lardman|home | lcuk: hey, how's things? |
| 16:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: incredible, but still 'hmm?' |
| 16:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: also 'hmm?' |
| 16:27.09 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: hmm? |
| 16:27.12 | lcuk | good thanks \o pleased we have pr1.2 out |
| 16:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | seems I got a massive stackerror |
| 16:27.31 | lardman|home | I see it's apparently OTA in the UK now, time to see if I've enough space to upgrade |
| 16:27.34 | lcuk | lardman|home, did you see i found and killed gstreamer rolling shutter problem |
| 16:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | all the context missing, none of your highlights really makes a sense to me |
| 16:27.49 | lcuk | lardman|home, :) as always proper backup restore |
| 16:27.52 | lardman|home | lcuk: nope, been buried in report writing and house hunting I'm afraid |
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| 16:28.17 | lcuk | well i now how a crystal clear nicely updating camera image :) |
| 16:28.36 | lardman|home | what was the bug? |
| 16:28.39 | SWFu | How to you video call with Skype? |
| 16:28.45 | lcuk | theres a gst-launch command to see how it was and how it is |
| 16:28.47 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=670435#post670435 |
| 16:28.55 | lcuk | it was minor thing as specifying a framerate! |
| 16:29.01 | lardman|home | ah |
| 16:29.18 | lcuk | wood from trees tho, it worked on 8x0 just not on 900 |
| 16:29.27 | lcuk | caught as i looked at other things |
| 16:29.40 | lardman|home | lcuk: was that my suggested framerate business? |
| 16:29.54 | lardman|home | if so sorry, as I was looking for a slow update |
| 16:29.55 | lcuk | lardman|home, dunno |
| 16:30.11 | lcuk | i think it was in original barcodey stuff maybe :p |
| 16:30.23 | lcuk | the effect is striking tho! |
| 16:30.35 | lcuk | i can now draw ontop of real live video at 30fps |
| 16:30.35 | lardman|home | glad you sorted it anyway :) |
| 16:31.01 | achipa | X-Fade: plus, there is a slight bug in the promotion mechanism, it's not libqt4-maemo5*, but libqt4-maemo5-* that should be blocked, libqt4-maemo5 is a valid end-user pr1.2 package |
| 16:31.12 | lardman|home | hmm, no OTA for me then |
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| 16:31.18 | lcuk | lardman|home, shall have to catch up with how you are doing barcodey later |
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| 16:31.46 | lardman|home | lcuk: I've not done much recently, need to get my plugin up and running and get some more UI ideas implemented |
| 16:32.10 | loufoque_ | does maemo have a ready-made sdk for linux, or do I have to go through the trouble of setting up the toolsuite myself? |
| 16:32.15 | lardman|home | lcuk: dragly has been dragging my sorry hide around with his hard work |
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| 16:32.36 | RichardP | ok, now I have a Maemo device, what do people consider 'must haves' or 'must do' things? |
| 16:32.42 | lcuk | sure ive been looking at focusing and stuff |
| 16:33.11 | lcuk | RichardP, you must supply patches for at least 5 public bugs |
| 16:33.14 | lardman|home | yeah there's a new version in SVN which does autofocus every couple of seconds, so that should then behave better, more as people expect |
| 16:33.25 | mikki-kun | hm... nokia removed in pr 1.2 adduser -_- |
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| 16:33.46 | microlith | loufoque: there's two SDKs, the linux-native SDK using scratchbox or the Nokia Qt Creator |
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| 16:34.14 | lcuk | yeah lardman|home but even if it doesnt do auto focus, on startup it should attempt to set focus to be "normal" distance from the camera eye |
| 16:34.18 | lcuk | and persist that setting |
| 16:34.39 | lcuk | so when people hold it as they know works it will beep each time they run app |
| 16:34.45 | lcuk | otherwise it will be frustrating |
| 16:35.08 | lardman|home | well improving the 1D decoder performance with out of focus images would be a good option too |
| 16:35.11 | MohammadAG | how do I create a tar archive? |
| 16:35.17 | MohammadAG | tar -c displays unicode chars |
| 16:35.41 | lcuk | lardman|home, sure, what res do you use for 1d now? |
| 16:35.43 | lardman|home | lcuk: I'm also tempted by a suggestion to have overlays on the video, something more like the N900 version of Maemomapper |
| 16:35.46 | lcuk | and do you do rotated barcodes? |
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| 16:36.09 | lcuk | to have overlays you need to convert to rgb dont you |
| 16:36.17 | lardman|home | lcuk: 640x480 I think, I don't explicitly handle them, but I think the decoders try rotations too, I'd have to check though |
| 16:36.28 | lardman|home | lcuk: no idea tbh |
| 16:36.48 | lardman|home | hmm, any other UK residents got PR1.2 OTA? |
| 16:36.51 | lcuk | lardman|home, another thing, albanc has been mucking with mapbuddy application which uses the map thing you looked at libchamplain, i think theres some issue with it that you two could discuss |
| 16:36.55 | Turks | whats the easiest way to screenshot in maemo? |
| 16:37.03 | MohammadAG | nvm |
| 16:37.09 | Turks | misses scrot =( |
| 16:37.17 | lcuk | had pr1.2 updated a while ago, i havent tested live ota |
| 16:37.30 | lardman|home | lcuk: some crash or other? I saw something about an N900 crash on the libchamplain list, but it was answered pretty sharpish so didn't pay much more attention |
| 16:37.33 | mikki-kun | Turks: Shift+Ctrl+p should give you a screenshot |
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| 16:38.00 | mikki-kun | places them in ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots afair |
| 16:38.03 | Turks | mikki-kun, n800 |
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| 16:38.39 | mikki-kun | ahhh, hm... i only have the n900 so i can't help further ;/ |
| 16:38.48 | lcuk | lardman|home, albanc would know the details, it might not be crash - infact its not its packaging |
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| 16:39.31 | lardman|home | ok |
| 16:39.37 | albanc | is reading backlog |
| 16:39.48 | Turks | anyone else know an easy way to take screenshots on the n800? |
| 16:40.24 | Stskeeps | load applet |
| 16:40.55 | Turks | poo |
| 16:41.41 | albanc | lardman, I posted the crash post on the libchamplain mailing list. I cannot reproduce the crash anymore, I don't know why |
| 16:41.55 | lardman|home | albanc: ok, so it was that one |
| 16:42.09 | lardman|home | albanc: I don't know I'm afraid, I've not used libchamplain in a long while |
| 16:42.38 | albanc | lardman|home, if I understand correctly, you packaged the first version of libchamplain and then pierlux did the next versions? |
| 16:43.51 | lardman|home | yes, he was the author, so I produced the initial debianisation as I wanted it for Emerillon (again his app) and then he took over/I lost interest in those apps |
| 16:44.08 | albanc | ok... |
| 16:44.44 | albanc | pierlux lost interest in his apps too, he was looking for new maintainers |
| 16:44.52 | lardman|home | yes I saw that |
| 16:45.12 | lardman|home | and certainly with libchamplain the new maintainer is keen and pushing patched like nobody's business ;) |
| 16:45.22 | lardman|home | s/patched/patches |
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| 16:45.51 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 16:45.52 | albanc | I tried to repackage a new version of libchamplain, as I believed it would fix my crash. But I could get it compile correctly... some libtool/misc errors |
| 16:46.17 | PhonicUK | anyone know if that rollercoaster game has been released yet? |
| 16:46.24 | albanc | So I give up for now (and it seems the crash mysteriously disappeared) |
| 16:46.50 | lardman|home | albanc: you should probably push for them to update their debian packages |
| 16:47.04 | lardman|home | at least iirc 0.6.0 is out now, which should be more stable afaiu |
| 16:47.20 | Gizmokid2005 | Am I just stupid, or does the extras protocols plugins seem to not want to install anymore with 1.2? |
| 16:47.44 | lardman|home | albanc: does map buddy support data sources for anywhere other than Canada now? |
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| 16:48.22 | albanc | lardman|home, the business thing? I don't know, I never get it work... (I am in UK) |
| 16:48.53 | lardman|home | yeah same here, I looked at it, nice idea, and then gave up |
| 16:49.26 | albanc | actually I was more interested by the contact integration than the business source... so I didn't look closer |
| 16:49.27 | lardman|home | It would be nice to get a unified map app, so rather than writing a new one I decided maemo-mapper looked like the best bet |
| 16:49.41 | lardman|home | albanc: as in showing their locations on a map? |
| 16:49.49 | albanc | yes |
| 16:50.07 | lardman|home | I wrote a plugin for emerillon to scrape locations from the contacts db |
| 16:50.09 | lardman|home | but.... |
| 16:50.23 | albanc | lardman|home, Mardy showed interest to have the "contact location on a map" feature in mappero |
| 16:50.28 | lardman|home | the location info attached to the contacts is rather poor, not even lat/lon, just a place name |
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| 16:50.46 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, should be out on 27th of May |
| 16:50.51 | MohammadAG | cause the ovi store was fixed |
| 16:51.01 | lardman|home | albanc: we need to press Nokia to add lat/lon to the contact meta data, rather than just placename |
| 16:51.06 | MohammadAG | now no one can download packages using apt-get |
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| 16:51.20 | MohammadAG | except those who have the old source (diabolical laugh) |
| 16:51.31 | albanc | barisione, you may be interested by what lardman|home says ^ |
| 16:51.52 | lardman|home | albanc: We've already spoken, but I don;t think he can fix it singlehandedly |
| 16:52.04 | albanc | oh ok |
| 16:52.10 | lardman|home | I'm ever hopeful they've changed things for PR1.2 anyway ;) |
| 16:52.19 | lcuk | lardman|home, albanc and barisione are amongst the best, you will not find any developers closer to the correct apis ;) |
| 16:52.29 | barisione | yeah, UI designers didn't like the lat,lon in the presence as something nice |
| 16:52.44 | barisione | *as it's not something nice |
| 16:52.51 | barisione | so they just have a string |
| 16:52.58 | lardman|home | my argument was that you already do a location lookup, so no harm in just storing lat/lon/precision data too |
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| 16:54.18 | lardman|home | albanc: are you a Nokian, or a subcontractor, or just a mere mortal like me ;) ? |
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| 16:56.50 | ponyofdeath | so anyone in the us do an successfull upgrade to 1.2 wondering what the process is when i have the power kernel? Do I have to un-install that first? |
| 16:57.02 | albanc | lardman|home, /whois albanc shows the company I am working for :) |
| 16:57.15 | lardman|home | is there a known incompatibility with some extras-* app and the OTA update? I.e. a reason I don't see it at all? |
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| 16:57.44 | lardman|home | albanc: ah ok, just thought I'd ask rather than prying ;) |
| 16:59.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell lardman|home about pr1.2 |
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| 16:59.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman|home: this suggests there is no OTA yet |
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| 17:01.09 | loufoque_ | can anyone tell me why the firmware for the UK is different than the rest? |
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| 17:03.00 | sECuRE | mh, i have a german n900. is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the right PR 1.2 update file? (says maemo 5 global release) |
| 17:03.08 | sECuRE | or will there be a more specific one tomorrow? |
| 17:04.31 | ponyofdeath | sECuRE: i guess from what i read tomorrow comes the specific versions all the regions |
| 17:04.51 | sECuRE | ok |
| 17:05.03 | ponyofdeath | not too sure tho as i have the custom kernel and how that will play out :) |
| 17:05.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | global version should work just fine |
| 17:05.39 | ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer51: what are the differences? |
| 17:06.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | not sure. but anyway they are minor to negligible |
| 17:07.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | not sure if there's any more specific version for germany at all |
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| 17:07.50 | ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer51: do you know if I need to uninstall the power kernel first or the re-flash will overwrite that |
| 17:07.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | for GB there are some vendor thingies in there |
| 17:08.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, no idea |
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| 17:08.36 | ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer51: no problemo thx i will wait for the us version tomm and let things settle a bit |
| 17:08.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably it will be overwritten by new kernel |
| 17:11.10 | sECuRE | DocScrutinizer51: did you update a german phone with it? |
| 17:11.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
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| 17:14.53 | Strobeflux | HtheB doesn't happen to come in here once in awhile? |
| 17:15.53 | Strobeflux | It would be nice to see what he says about this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53600 |
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| 17:15.57 | Strobeflux | I would be delighted. |
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| 17:17.32 | Stskeeps | Strobeflux: a bit of a witchhunt you're applying.. |
| 17:17.47 | Strobeflux | It is. |
| 17:18.09 | Strobeflux | Since he has now been taking credits for other peoples work for about 4 years. |
| 17:18.30 | Strobeflux | And he just keeps going and going, and no one does nothing. |
| 17:18.41 | Strobeflux | Seriously, this guy is even making money of it. |
| 17:18.51 | Strobeflux | Releasing tunes on Spotify and iTunes. |
| 17:19.11 | Strobeflux | If he had atleast stopped at the free games releases. |
| 17:20.08 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer51: ah my apologies, I was going from what it says here: http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/the-n900-finally-gets-the-pr-1-2-firmware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28Maemo+Central%29 |
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| 17:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: also sorry, but I still miss the context |
| 17:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: could you please quote the last phrase of the conversation you referred to |
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| 17:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | aah, nm |
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| 17:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway no reason to be apologetic |
| 17:24.58 | valdyn | Khertan: i have no idea why, but my 3rd "Provider" in the list is "Nokia Messaging" |
| 17:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: somebody said OTA SSU will come tomorrow |
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| 17:26.14 | valdyn | Khertan: maybe this is Region dependent too |
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| 17:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it is. The blogs talk about UK OTA today, other regions tomorrow. No idea how N900 decides which region it 'is' |
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| 17:33.20 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: variants |
| 17:33.39 | sECuRE | hum, on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware it says the backup/restore would save files in /home/user/MyDocs, but when i do a backup, it is 4.8 MB big, while i have lots of bigger files in MyDocs |
| 17:33.43 | sECuRE | how comes? |
| 17:33.51 | sECuRE | will MyDocs be unavailable after flashing? |
| 17:34.06 | valdyn | sECuRE: backup does not cover MyDocs and MyDocs is not touched when flashing |
| 17:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | sECuRE: it doesn't 'save', it simply 'keeps' |
| 17:34.15 | sECuRE | ok, thanks |
| 17:35.37 | valdyn | DocScrutinizer: i was referring to an older discussion with Khertan where he cant see Nokia Messaging in his list of email providers in his n900 email client |
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| 17:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | valdyn: ooh, anyway it matched the other 'thread' as well :-D |
| 17:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | obviously kinda wildcard-comment ;-P |
| 17:37.57 | valdyn | the email widget doesn't work with nokia messaging.. anyone want to confirm? |
| 17:38.06 | dhq | i flashed to pr1.2 ...... i downloaded the version for india ........ and downloaded the emmc......... when i install the pr1.2 its boots fine ....after i install the emmc i get square boxes and weird buttons and when i click all that i get missing images on all the icons |
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| 17:38.31 | lcuk | dhq, emmc BEFORE booting main flash |
| 17:38.37 | lcuk | or if you like emmc, then main flash |
| 17:38.43 | Milhouse | did you boot in after flashing with 1.2 and before flashing the emmc? |
| 17:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk++ |
| 17:38.52 | lcuk | during first boot after a flash, content is moved from rootfs onto /home/opt |
| 17:38.56 | lcuk | flashing emmc wipes that |
| 17:38.59 | lcuk | killing os |
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| 17:39.39 | lcuk | so do both again without booting |
| 17:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | so, flash emmc, do NOT boot, flash roots |
| 17:39.46 | Milhouse | no |
| 17:39.50 | dhq | it automatically booted |
| 17:39.51 | Milhouse | flash roots, flash emmc, boot |
| 17:40.01 | Milhouse | s/roots/roofs/g |
| 17:40.06 | Milhouse | fck |
| 17:40.06 | lcuk | it doesnt matter which order as long as you dont boot :) |
| 17:40.17 | lcuk | the flashing documentation should have been updated |
| 17:40.20 | Milhouse | think my keyboard is failing - keeps missing random keys |
| 17:40.20 | lcuk | lemme go peek |
| 17:40.23 | lcuk | ~flashing |
| 17:40.25 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 17:40.38 | MohammadAG | it was updated... |
| 17:40.50 | sECuRE | what is the emmc about? i canât find a PR 1.2 emmc file? |
| 17:40.53 | Milhouse | it's in red text next to the emmc download load as well |
| 17:40.56 | lcuk | When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image first, then the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two!(Which means that do not use "-R" switch in command line when flashing FIASCO/Rootfs |
| 17:41.10 | dhq | emmc doesn not boot where as the otherone automatically boots up |
| 17:41.10 | lcuk | thats on the emmc update instructions already :) |
| 17:41.16 | MohammadAG | who crippled the grammar in there! |
| 17:41.18 | MohammadAG | I fixed it |
| 17:41.47 | MohammadAG | oh, it was readded. |
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| 17:41.55 | MohammadAG | to the top warning |
| 17:42.09 | sevanteri | Hello |
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| 17:43.04 | dhq | i used this sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R and it reboots |
| 17:43.18 | lcuk | (Which means that do not use "-R" switch in command line when flashing FIASCO/Rootfs |
| 17:43.31 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 17:43.37 | dhq | ok |
| 17:43.42 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if it can be clearer than that |
| 17:43.43 | lcuk | yeah i know grammar is wrong, but the meaning remains |
| 17:43.59 | lcuk | tbh we shouldnt specify -R in the main instructions |
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| 17:44.09 | lcuk | and ensure people turn off etc |
| 17:44.19 | sevanteri | I was looking the pr1.2 changes and saw the "symlink /var/cache/apt to /home/apt-archives". I took a quick look how much space the whole /var directory takes and it takes like 56MB. Is it okay to symlink the whole /var to /home/var? are there any risks in this? |
| 17:44.47 | MohammadAG | lcuk, or update flasher to detect eMMC and FIASCO images automatically |
| 17:44.58 | MohammadAG | but *sigh*... it's closed |
| 17:45.04 | lcuk | nahh MohammadAG |
| 17:45.08 | lcuk | that would still fail |
| 17:45.13 | lcuk | because people rarely grab flasher |
| 17:45.13 | MohammadAG | why/how |
| 17:45.18 | lcuk | but always have to look up command line |
| 17:45.34 | MohammadAG | so... how do they use flasher if they don't grab it |
| 17:45.44 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 17:45.45 | lcuk | rarely i said :p |
| 17:45.54 | lcuk | ie those that have it now already have it |
| 17:45.56 | MohammadAG | then push it to the Debian repos |
| 17:46.06 | MohammadAG | (as well as other distros) |
| 17:46.14 | sECuRE | double-checking to not do it wrong: i downloaded the PR 1.2 global image (RX-...ARM.bin) and flasher 3.5. now i should use flasher-3.5 -F *.bin -f, without the -R flag? |
| 17:46.26 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 17:46.32 | sECuRE | alright |
| 17:46.57 | dhq | fiasco 1st |
| 17:47.08 | lcuk | although most people dont need to update emmc |
| 17:47.13 | lcuk | since they lose photos etc |
| 17:47.46 | sECuRE | dhq: so i need fiasco 10.2010.13-2 first? |
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| 17:48.28 | lcuk | sECuRE, technically you only need the fiasco |
| 17:48.52 | lcuk | emmc should ONLY be done if you want to reset to factory (and should be done in combination with fiasco rootfs) |
| 17:49.06 | sECuRE | ok, i think i just got the images wrong. fiasco is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, right? |
| 17:49.22 | sECuRE | (i want to keep all my stuff and just want to go to pr1.2) |
| 17:49.29 | SpeedEvil | I don't think eMMC does a full wipe. That is, you might be able to recover stuff |
| 17:49.47 | SpeedEvil | If you care about security that is. |
| 17:50.19 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, not helpful |
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| 17:50.25 | lcuk | sECuRE, yes |
| 17:50.30 | valdyn | sECuRE: backup, apply that image, restore |
| 17:50.31 | dhq | phone not booting now :( |
| 17:50.36 | sECuRE | ok, thanks |
| 17:50.40 | dhq | should i remove the battery and try |
| 17:50.46 | lcuk | dhq, go for it |
| 17:51.03 | valdyn | sECuRE: and manually fix "advanced" settings you might have applied ( like stuff in /etc/ ) |
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| 17:51.39 | dhq | lcuk: it booted |
| 17:53.47 | Kegetys | hmh, skype video calling doesnt seem to work that well |
| 17:55.04 | Kegetys | couldnt see any video when turning it on, and when I disconnected the call the whole IM feature seemed to freeze and needed a reboot |
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| 17:56.44 | wutr | anyone knows if the search function in the app manager of PR1.2 is moved or removed? |
| 17:56.44 | wutr | *does anyone know.. |
| 17:57.02 | sevanteri | just start typing and it searches? |
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| 17:57.33 | wutr | O.o |
| 17:57.52 | wutr | but I remember being able to press a dedicated search button |
| 17:57.55 | wutr | in 1.1.1 |
| 17:58.12 | wutr | without selecting a category first |
| 17:58.41 | sevanteri | it doesnt work if category isnt selected? |
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| 17:59.25 | korhojoa_ | god daymit |
| 17:59.29 | wutr | one moment, installing an app now after finding it with the search method you provided |
| 17:59.35 | korhojoa_ | anyone know how to get the virtual sdk image? |
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| 18:00.38 | wutr | korhojoa: it's mentioned somewhere in the wiki |
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| 18:01.57 | breakd0wn | hey all, about to flash my emmc and to pr1.2. In the past I would always flash the emmc 1st, then the firmware. Looks like the directions have changed, or at least that part is confusing me |
| 18:02.21 | lirakis | breakd0wn, (shrug) i just flashed the base firmware image |
| 18:02.23 | noobmonk3y | hmmm is pyside now installable on app install? |
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| 18:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack |
| 18:02.59 | breakd0wn | want to clean up the emmc is why. |
| 18:03.27 | wutr | breakd0wn: First FIASCO then eMMC (vanilla) and DON'T reboot inbetween |
| 18:04.14 | lcuk | breakd0wn, if you do emmc and then fiasco thats ok |
| 18:04.20 | lcuk | the only thing important is not rebooting |
| 18:04.37 | lcuk | so stick with your normal instructions if you are used to doing it that way :) |
| 18:04.40 | wutr | sevanteri: it used to work, yes, at least inside a category, now it doesn't anymore |
| 18:04.45 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, and that is helpfully assisted by the flashing part - that auto reboots right? :P |
| 18:04.59 | lcuk | thats the -R command line parameter |
| 18:05.00 | breakd0wn | that's what is confusing me. I always thought the fiasco was *only* the kernel from the firmware image |
| 18:05.01 | lcuk | so user error :P |
| 18:05.04 | noobmonk3y | ahhhhhh |
| 18:05.08 | noobmonk3y | you clever ickle thing :P |
| 18:05.16 | wutr | ow wait.. |
| 18:05.26 | noobmonk3y | is finally updating healthcheck, wohooooooooo |
| 18:05.28 | lcuk | breakd0wn, yeah, but optification got in the way |
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| 18:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: aiui a reboot between emmc flash and rootfs flash wouldn't hurt too much? |
| 18:06.43 | wutr | Now I'm sure, dedicated search option in app manager is gone or hidden at least |
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| 18:07.02 | lcuk | sure DocScrutinizer but lets not muddy waters |
| 18:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:07.18 | lcuk | simply easier to explain no reboot inbetween - whichever way they do it |
| 18:07.25 | SpeedEvil | begins singing 'Mud Glorious Mud'./ |
| 18:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 18:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | can't resist |
| 18:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 18:08.01 | infobot | somebody said optification was a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 18:08.02 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:08.20 | microlith | resists the urge to cynically troll the MeeGo N900 community support thread |
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| 18:09.35 | wall[e] | nooo.... oh no... I thought i'll have to move to #meego but i'll have to stick here for the rest of my life.. |
| 18:09.44 | wall[e] | with MohammadAG |
| 18:09.55 | wall[e] | noooo... |
| 18:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:10.08 | noobmonk3y | lol wall[e] could be worse, imagine 5 MohammadAG's in here lol |
| 18:10.25 | wall[e] | lol |
| 18:10.32 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, what's that supposed to mean *grins* |
| 18:10.44 | noobmonk3y | thinks 1 MohammadAG is just the right number ;) |
| 18:10.48 | breakd0wn | yeah, i will follow the new directions :) flash firmware, skip -R, flash mmc, done |
| 18:10.48 | lejonet | Time to fix my expensive paperweight :P |
| 18:10.59 | MohammadAG | updated the wiki a bit |
| 18:11.02 | MohammadAG | might be useful |
| 18:11.05 | MohammadAG | but it needs a nuke |
| 18:11.11 | MohammadAG | or actually |
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| 18:11.17 | lejonet | hands MohammadAG a nuke |
| 18:11.18 | MohammadAG | removing the common parts |
| 18:11.19 | wall[e] | finish d/l firmware! flash time weee |
| 18:11.23 | achipa | X-Fade: still around ? |
| 18:11.29 | MohammadAG | throws it at the Akamai servers |
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| 18:11.55 | X-Fade | achipa: yep |
| 18:12.02 | MohammadAG | "You have been signed out of the PlayStation (R) Network" I shouldn't have nuked them |
| 18:12.12 | lejonet | Haha :P |
| 18:12.14 | achipa | X-Fade: sorry to bother, seen your comment, much appreciated, but I still have no promote button ? |
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| 18:12.34 | X-Fade | achipa: Hmm it must hate you then. |
| 18:12.38 | MohammadAG | achipa, did you log in? (it happens :P) |
| 18:13.03 | lcuk | time to turn off irc again back tomorrow \o |
| 18:13.04 | MohammadAG | and did you visit the specific version of the package's page? |
| 18:13.12 | achipa | MohammadAG: yep :) |
| 18:13.17 | MohammadAG | \o lcuk |
| 18:13.23 | lcuk | ooo before i go |
| 18:13.30 | lcuk | X-Fade, sdk synced and open now? |
| 18:13.39 | achipa | X-Fade: oh, I can live with hate if it let's me promote :D |
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| 18:13.51 | breakd0wn | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 18:13.54 | achipa | s/let's/lets/g |
| 18:14.09 | achipa | X-Fade: ah, spotted it |
| 18:14.14 | X-Fade | lcuk: You are talking weird stuff today, I really don't understand what you mean ;) |
| 18:14.15 | achipa | X-Fade: still missing the qtscript thingy |
| 18:14.31 | achipa | X-Fade: is that automatic ? or do I need to do something ? |
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| 18:14.41 | achipa | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-script/4.7.3-maemo5/ |
| 18:14.59 | lcuk | X-Fade, nb#170203 |
| 18:15.08 | X-Fade | achipa: Is that in nokia-apps? |
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| 18:15.26 | achipa | X-Fade: yes. They forgot to upload it initially, but it did land eventually |
| 18:15.28 | X-Fade | I am just importing that. |
| 18:15.43 | lejonet | MohammadAG: Hmm, I managed to flash the kernel, that small little = was the little culprit :P |
| 18:15.46 | achipa | ditto for libqt4-test |
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| 18:15.57 | X-Fade | So will take 10 minutes or so before it is indexed. |
| 18:15.58 | alterego | Almost finished backing up my laptop ready for buntu 10.04 |
| 18:16.12 | lejonet | MohammadAG: That is what I would call irony :P |
| 18:16.15 | achipa | X-Fade: np |
| 18:16.26 | MohammadAG | lejonet, oh forgot to fix that |
| 18:16.30 | MohammadAG | saw it wrong in the wiki |
| 18:16.30 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 18:16.38 | lejonet | :P No probs, huge thanks yourself :P |
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| 18:17.44 | MohammadAG | ok, done some edits to the wiki |
| 18:18.17 | lejonet | And now I got a functioning phone again ^^ |
| 18:18.32 | lejonet | Time to take an backup and flash to PR1.2 :P |
| 18:18.50 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 18:19.36 | lcuk | \o/ X-Fade it is updated, i can now install "build-essential" on a default device (theres enough space also) |
| 18:19.47 | breakd0wn | that scared the hell out of me, was sitting at the 5 dots part for a long time |
| 18:19.54 | X-Fade | lcuk: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.5.1-1eglibc25+0m5_armel.deb |
| 18:20.14 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: re OTA, ok thanks, and apologies for my rather disjointed conversation, Holly booted me off the PC for a while! ;) |
| 18:20.20 | lcuk | yup X-Fade it was out of date and one of the blockers for mucking about, but now everything is synced again |
| 18:20.24 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I'd rather use qole's image :P |
| 18:20.45 | lcuk | MohammadAG, sure, but i just wanted it for something |
| 18:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: yw, np |
| 18:21.27 | X-Fade | community contribution in nokia-applications now: http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900-fmrx-enabler/ |
| 18:21.42 | lejonet | Hmm, do you need anything more than an cross-compiler for ARM to compile an kernel for the N900? (Or only madde maybe?) |
| 18:22.09 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, what does 'explicit' mean |
| 18:22.34 | MohammadAG | lejonet, not sure if MADDE works, I use scratchbox |
| 18:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: err what? |
| 18:23.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the package was promoted to nokia-applications (no warning on download) |
| 18:23.08 | lejonet | MohammadAG: Explicity roughly means literally |
| 18:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 18:23.19 | X-Fade | libqtm-multimedia uses it. |
| 18:23.35 | breakd0wn | awesome, pr 1.2, finally. Thanks for help guys :) |
| 18:23.39 | lejonet | MohammadAG: I'll check it out |
| 18:23.42 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: How? apt-get says no. |
| 18:24.19 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, with the sdk and tools repository it says yes |
| 18:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | force it, beat it, lart it :-P |
| 18:24.27 | lcuk | before it would require lots of messing |
| 18:24.31 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 18:24.32 | lcuk | and removal of things |
| 18:24.38 | SpeedEvil | I don't think I have the SDK repo enabled |
| 18:24.39 | lcuk | or shuffling |
| 18:24.42 | lcuk | now it just works |
| 18:24.43 | lcuk | :) |
| 18:24.59 | SpeedEvil | Where is it/ |
| 18:25.07 | MohammadAG | SDK repo |
| 18:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | SDK repo on N900 ? |
| 18:25.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:25.14 | MohammadAG | why not |
| 18:25.14 | lcuk | personally want all packages within build-essential to be optified but theres no push to optify SDK tools |
| 18:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | sounds odd |
| 18:25.29 | MohammadAG | I got a (virtual) beer from you because of it |
| 18:25.31 | lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org |
| 18:25.35 | lcuk | has info |
| 18:25.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:26.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, libs can't be optified afaik |
| 18:26.09 | lcuk | sure they can |
| 18:26.10 | MohammadAG | unless you have a better solution |
| 18:26.15 | MohammadAG | not with maemo-optify |
| 18:26.27 | lcuk | and /usr/share/include could have easily been |
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| 18:26.41 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 18:26.47 | MohammadAG | PR1.3? |
| 18:26.48 | lcuk | MohammadAG, thats maemo-optify limitation, not that they cant be put into /opt |
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| 18:27.07 | lcuk | heh first revision of maemo-optify-boottime had include as one of its config items |
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| 18:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 18:27.22 | infobot | i guess optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs |
| 18:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | move friggin /usr to eMMC |
| 18:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | as well as /var! |
| 18:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | COMPLETELY! |
| 18:28.51 | MohammadAG | let's move / to /dev/null |
| 18:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | make sur those are mounted in time |
| 18:29.23 | MohammadAG | lcuk, why was it dropped then |
| 18:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | and find a fix for rootfs flashing "postinstall" script |
| 18:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | then let's move ~optification to /dev/null :-P |
| 18:30.59 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you can play and test things |
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| 18:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but every update will render device in a completely borked state - that's the main problem |
| 18:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | and as long as there's no install-time --no-otification switch it won't help anyway |
| 18:32.55 | SpeedEvil | for includes - surely simply a symlink would work just fine |
| 18:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | always thought or maybe hoped optification was *all about* symlinks, and nothing else |
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| 18:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | an application that has /opt pathes hardcoded should be stuffed down the developer's throat anyway |
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| 18:36.17 | noobmonk3y | cries :( |
| 18:36.45 | noobmonk3y | not all developers know what a symlink is lol <--------------Hint Hint |
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| 18:38.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, about 4 devs do that here |
| 18:38.48 | chadi | evening/morning, healthcheck! =) |
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| 18:39.06 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, and frals are two :) |
| 18:39.11 | alterego | Is there a good guide on optification? |
| 18:39.33 | alterego | Best practices docs are usually quite handy with things like these :P |
| 18:39.34 | noobmonk3y | does it :) - mainly out of ignorance |
| 18:39.41 | noobmonk3y | hehe |
| 18:39.45 | noobmonk3y | evening chadi !! |
| 18:40.02 | chadi | what's up with PR1.2? |
| 18:40.08 | noobmonk3y | hows the life of chadi these days? |
| 18:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: here it comes: cp <crap> /home/opt/<younameit>/<crap>; make a symling to original location |
| 18:40.22 | noobmonk3y | what do you mean what's up? :)apart from mine has a love obsession with portrait mode |
| 18:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | s/cp /mv / |
| 18:40.43 | noobmonk3y | woooohoooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:40.54 | noobmonk3y | got the textBrowser to do hyperlinkies |
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| 18:41.07 | MohammadAG | yay? |
| 18:41.08 | chadi | my life? exams - what's with portrait mode? never seen it in pr1.2 apart from phone and web... |
| 18:41.12 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: symlink it to what? |
| 18:41.34 | lejonet | Hmm, what backup software is recommended? :P |
| 18:41.43 | noobmonk3y | chadi - some other apps support it , like pygtkeditor - and mine + broswer ae permanently potraiting - except when i force them into landscape by opening the keyboard |
| 18:41.55 | noobmonk3y | eeeeek exams? |
| 18:41.57 | noobmonk3y | which ones? |
| 18:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: e.g. ln -s /home/opt/mycrap/crap /usr/bin/carp |
| 18:42.07 | alterego | Ah, right. |
| 18:42.19 | noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, i appreciate the effort to get me to do things right, but you are speaking greeklish :P |
| 18:42.21 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: and that's the best practise is it? |
| 18:42.25 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 18:42.27 | alterego | I suppose that's as good as any. |
| 18:42.30 | lcuk | gnite \o |
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| 18:42.36 | noobmonk3y | nite lcuk :D |
| 18:42.43 | alterego | Don't really want a mamoth PATH variable. |
| 18:43.08 | chadi | healthcheck: that's great. my exams: computer organization, electronics, signals, algorithms |
| 18:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: exactly that is the rationale |
| 18:43.10 | Turks | question. how do i run compiled software on the n800? |
| 18:43.30 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, good to know, as I'll be needing to do that soon enough. |
| 18:43.38 | Turks | keeps saying permission denied running it in a terminal |
| 18:43.48 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: what about /{home/,}opt/* naming conventions? |
| 18:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | nothing authoritative afaik |
| 18:44.31 | alterego | I was thinking: /{home/,}opt/domain.org/appname or something. |
| 18:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | good idea might be to have a <mycrap>/ and in there duplicate the original folder names like <mycrap/bin/ <mycrap/usr/sbin/ etc |
| 18:45.40 | alterego | Actually, that's too C:\Program Files - ee |
| 18:45.58 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, I thought that was a given :P |
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| 18:47.09 | odin_ | so has anyone in the UK has App Manager notify them of PR1.2 update ? I keep manually asking App Man to update every few hours and still nothing |
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| 18:47.53 | alterego | odin_: are you with vodafone? |
| 18:48.14 | odin_ | yup, but I am polling WLAN (UK DSL service) |
| 18:48.44 | alterego | odin_: have you ever flashed your device using the Nokia fiasco images? |
| 18:48.45 | odin_ | vodafone but not subsidised, handset was direct from Nokia but UK/NL version |
| 18:48.57 | alterego | odin_: ah, okay. |
| 18:49.00 | odin_ | yup I did for the last PR release (after a failed update) |
| 18:49.03 | alterego | odin_: not sure what your problem is then. |
| 18:49.22 | alterego | I manually flashed mine, but I prefer doing that for every update tbh. |
| 18:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | maybe flashed global version? |
| 18:49.53 | alterego | Ah, would that make a difference? |
| 18:49.57 | odin_ | well no it still knows its a UK/NL version |
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| 18:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-25 19:33:08] <DocScrutinizer> yes, it is. The blogs talk about UK OTA today, other regions tomorrow. No idea how N900 decides which region it 'is' |
| 18:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-25 19:33:20] <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: variants |
| 18:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
| 18:50.33 | odin_ | there are only a few versions ? EMEA, USA and ??? |
| 18:50.37 | Stskeeps | UK |
| 18:50.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:50.39 | Milhouse | t.m.o forum just gone off the air? |
| 18:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | india |
| 18:50.59 | Stskeeps | Milhouse: it was at record users earlier as ell |
| 18:51.09 | Stskeeps | well |
| 18:51.12 | alterego | Ah, well, I always flash global edition |
| 18:51.14 | roquetto | has anyone ever experienced weird segfaults on scratchbox running on a x86_64 box? |
| 18:51.36 | Milhouse | Stskeeps: thanks, just getting connection timeouts - guess it's keeled over |
| 18:51.41 | alterego | roquetto: under the ARM target? |
| 18:51.46 | odin_ | no the keyboard layout is UK/NL I guess, the hardware model I have |
| 18:51.50 | jacekowski | roquetto: rtfw |
| 18:51.57 | jacekowski | roquetto: there is everything in wiki |
| 18:51.57 | odin_ | there are 3 global versions |
| 18:52.00 | roquetto | alterego: no, freemantle_x86 |
| 18:52.04 | alterego | odin_: he means, which image did you flash? Global or UK version? |
| 18:52.05 | jacekowski | odin_: one |
| 18:52.07 | roquetto | jacekowski: thanks |
| 18:52.14 | odin_ | there is no UK one |
| 18:52.22 | alterego | odin_: yes there is. |
| 18:52.22 | jacekowski | odin_: there will be tomorrow |
| 18:52.29 | jacekowski | alterego: no there isn;t |
| 18:52.31 | roquetto | jacekowski: i will re read it, i might have missed something |
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| 18:52.46 | odin_ | it is the keyboard layout that is UK/NL, but its the standard EMEA versions flashed |
| 18:52.52 | alterego | jacekowski: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin |
| 18:52.54 | jacekowski | roquetto: esspecialy part about vdso |
| 18:52.58 | alterego | That's the UK version |
| 18:53.07 | jacekowski | alterego: that's not UK |
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| 18:53.14 | Chiku | lol |
| 18:53.17 | alterego | "Latest Maemo 5 UK release for Nokia N900 " |
| 18:53.19 | Chiku | it's not possible |
| 18:53.21 | alterego | IS the site lying? |
| 18:53.25 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 18:53.29 | jacekowski | when they released it |
| 18:53.37 | jacekowski | it wasn't there couple hours ago when i looked |
| 18:53.37 | alterego | IT's been on there since this morning |
| 18:53.48 | jacekowski | nope |
| 18:53.55 | alterego | Well, I downloaded the global edition about 12 hours ago, and it was there then .. |
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| 18:54.22 | alterego | jacekowski: I know it was there then, because I thought (wow, the UK version is actually there the same time as all the other versions ... neat) |
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| 18:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/the-n900-finally-gets-the-pr-1-2-firmware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central) |
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| 18:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin 187852797 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 |
| 18:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin 187852797 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Middle East and North Africa release for Nokia N900 |
| 18:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin 187590653 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 India release for Nokia N900 |
| 18:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 |
| 18:56.17 | odin_ | yes I see that now a UK version |
| 18:56.38 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: that was yesterday. |
| 18:56.40 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: where is UK version on that list? |
| 18:56.43 | odin_ | which things make the UK special ? WLAN regs ? Telecomms regs ? |
| 18:56.47 | alterego | How long has the update been on the tablets-dev? |
| 18:56.52 | jacekowski | odin_: nobody knows |
| 18:56.59 | alterego | odin_: nothing afaik, except maybe the OTA :P |
| 18:57.02 | SpeedEvil | odin_: It's just cooler. |
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| 18:57.10 | jacekowski | keyboard layout? |
| 18:57.26 | alterego | jacekowski: doesn't really matter. |
| 18:58.01 | odin_ | well its a UK and NL keyboard layout I have (or hardware is same at least, as it was on the outside of the box) |
| 18:58.03 | alterego | My keyboard layout is fine, with (£ instead of $) and after selecting region on inital boot. No problem. |
| 18:58.24 | alterego | In fact, I didn't even have to set the region, the global firmware already knew I was in the UK .. |
| 18:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | odin_: I have a international qwerty layout now. Been german qwertz. The *hardware* is the same all over the planet |
| 18:59.37 | odin_ | well no... the keyboard layout, altho only a sticker, it a different hardware model, thats just the way it works |
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| 19:00.49 | sECuRE | is it just me or is the vibration more powerful in 1.2? |
| 19:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | odin_: sorry if I was too terse in my prev post. I changed the keymat, but the electronic hardware is still "german" which is the same as >N900-generic> |
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| 19:01.02 | odin_ | however with regards to WLAN and BT and GSM/3G etc.. yes same hardware but programmed differently |
| 19:02.03 | X-Fade | Can somebody with a UK image device create a tarball of /var/lib/apt/lists for me? |
| 19:02.18 | odin_ | maybe someone should photographic their keyboard layouts and WIKI them so everyone knows what everyones elses looks like |
| 19:02.24 | X-Fade | I don't have access to a UK device, but need to check something for the Packages interface. |
| 19:02.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | so there's no reason to bother about which image might 'match' your N900 |
| 19:03.05 | roquetto | jacekowski: is disabling vsdo all I can try? i had already tried those info on the wiki, without success |
| 19:03.52 | odin_ | I think I may have reflashed PR1.1.1 with Global release not UK (as I'm sure a UK one was not up there when I last looked, maybe that is what they meant by delayed UK release last time, but I too fast to notice) |
| 19:04.22 | Wolfie | i wonder why frals has decided to center-align the mms text field... |
| 19:04.35 | alterego | X-Fade: unfortunately I'm using global. Can you not just unpack the image yourself and look? :P |
| 19:04.38 | odin_ | it was a case of, "USA" well no thats not me..... "Middle East and North Africa" errr no thats not me..... AH! "Global" that will do |
| 19:04.58 | alterego | odin_: exactly what I was thinking when I started doing it ;) |
| 19:05.05 | Wolfie | also, line breaking is totally funky in fMMS |
| 19:05.58 | alterego | I heard the difference between other variants and the UK variant was Labour insisting on having a keylogger installed by default. |
| 19:06.12 | alterego | That and GPS remote activation handled in the CMT firmware. |
| 19:06.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | odin_: and that's probanly the reason your device DOES NOT think it's a UK and thus no OTA SSU for you yet |
| 19:06.28 | TomaszD | this is a public service announcement, if you're having troubles with skype video calls, update your desktop client. It works with the latest windows client. |
| 19:07.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | woohoo |
| 19:07.23 | Wolfie | umm... doesn't fMMS have any kind of timeout? |
| 19:07.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | runs for latest windows |
| 19:07.36 | Wolfie | oh, there it went |
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| 19:08.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~nuke skype |
| 19:08.13 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at skype ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 19:08.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | useless crap |
| 19:08.40 | lardman|home | Hmm, I imagine my device also doens't think it's a UK version |
| 19:08.48 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, will you be doing anything in , ummmm a few minutes? |
| 19:09.31 | MohammadAG | yeah, I'm gonna check my schedule to see if I have anything in the next few minutes |
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| 19:09.39 | noobmonk3y | taps fingers n waits |
| 19:09.40 | alterego | Heh |
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| 19:09.57 | MohammadAG | sees noobmonk3y waiting for a loop |
| 19:10.04 | florian | re |
| 19:10.08 | noobmonk3y | checks with MohammadAG again.... |
| 19:10.30 | MohammadAG | so... |
| 19:10.44 | noobmonk3y | free? :D |
| 19:10.50 | MohammadAG | no |
| 19:10.53 | noobmonk3y | meh |
| 19:10.54 | MohammadAG | non-free |
| 19:10.54 | MohammadAG | jk |
| 19:10.57 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals with a trout |
| 19:11.18 | noobmonk3y | fancy doing a quick devel update to see if a new h/c has randomly appeared for an update? :D |
| 19:11.37 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, when did you upload it? |
| 19:11.46 | noobmonk3y | about 2 mins ago, so may take a few secs |
| 19:11.50 | MohammadAG | not really |
| 19:11.58 | MohammadAG | the autobuilder runs at :5 and :35 |
| 19:12.02 | MohammadAG | wait 30 minutes :) |
| 19:12.10 | MohammadAG | 25* |
| 19:12.16 | MohammadAG | 23 to be more exact |
| 19:12.23 | noobmonk3y | hehe |
| 19:12.33 | noobmonk3y | omfg |
| 19:12.36 | noobmonk3y | when did that happen? |
| 19:12.40 | noobmonk3y | build suceeded on my screen :) |
| 19:13.15 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, when a build succeeds it needs to be imported |
| 19:13.27 | noobmonk3y | omg is this new in the last 2 weeks? |
| 19:13.28 | MohammadAG | from what I understand it's been like that ever since the builder was made |
| 19:13.36 | MohammadAG | you just timed it right |
| 19:13.43 | noobmonk3y | naaa, mine have always been updatable on the device after about 3 mins |
| 19:13.51 | MohammadAG | but you're special |
| 19:13.58 | noobmonk3y | now that be true! |
| 19:14.05 | MohammadAG | high fives lcu |
| 19:14.08 | alterego | noobmonk3y: you've obviously got working to within a half hour cycle down a treat :P |
| 19:14.08 | MohammadAG | damn, he left |
| 19:14.17 | noobmonk3y | takes a while for the packages list to show it as updated tho about an hour or so usually |
| 19:14.25 | noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 19:14.27 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:15.01 | noobmonk3y | is gonna be proved wrong lol - no update yet |
| 19:15.04 | noobmonk3y | whinges |
| 19:15.19 | alterego | I wonder how long it'll take the N900 to have a good workable host USB implementation |
| 19:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~MohammadAG is special |
| 19:15.21 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 19:15.39 | alterego | The work going into it is looking very good indeed, and almost there it seems. |
| 19:15.45 | noobmonk3y | ~DocScrutinizer is one bad ass mofo |
| 19:15.46 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, noobmonk3y |
| 19:15.48 | X-Fade | if ($app->name == "healthcheck") die (); |
| 19:15.51 | noobmonk3y | lmfao |
| 19:15.58 | X-Fade | Oh, did I paste that? :) |
| 19:15.59 | noobmonk3y | blinks :( |
| 19:16.14 | MohammadAG | infobot, MohammadAG |
| 19:16.15 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is special |
| 19:16.16 | noobmonk3y | X-Fade, surely dus mame/torture(); |
| 19:16.20 | MohammadAG | oh god |
| 19:16.28 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 19:16.29 | midas_ | alterego: im not sure if the n900 actually supports it |
| 19:16.46 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, healthcheck now in extras devel |
| 19:16.57 | MohammadAG | double you tea ef |
| 19:17.03 | noobmonk3y | icon has gone walk abouts again, oh well |
| 19:17.03 | alterego | midas_: they've already got it working in some sense of the work. |
| 19:17.10 | alterego | s/work/word/ |
| 19:17.18 | midas_ | a okay |
| 19:17.30 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 19:17.42 | alterego | midas_: there's a nice long t.m.o thread about it, unfortunately it's rather ironically named ;) |
| 19:18.21 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, err, you got it in the last minute :S |
| 19:18.29 | noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG :P |
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| 19:18.33 | noobmonk3y | i r the special one |
| 19:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: we're working on it ;-P |
| 19:19.07 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I know, and I can't wait until there's something workable for everyone :) |
| 19:19.16 | MohammadAG | infobot, DocScrutinizer |
| 19:19.16 | infobot | docscrutinizer is probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 19:19.33 | MohammadAG | lol noobmonk3y she ignored you |
| 19:19.34 | noobmonk3y | quite possibly |
| 19:19.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:19.49 | noobmonk3y | anyway MohammadAG, updated? :D :D |
| 19:19.51 | alterego | Is openmoko still alive? |
| 19:20.08 | MohammadAG | as long as they don't kill it |
| 19:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | snot in the sense you're implying |
| 19:20.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | *-s |
| 19:20.40 | RST38h | so, pr1.2 out? |
| 19:20.44 | MohammadAG | no |
| 19:20.44 | Stskeeps | right |
| 19:20.48 | noobmonk3y | RST38h, nope, all a dream |
| 19:20.49 | MohammadAG | if you ask you'll get kicked |
| 19:20.56 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 19:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:20.58 | noobmonk3y | no MohammadAG , thats 1.3 now |
| 19:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 19:21.03 | infobot | i heard pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 19:21.06 | Stskeeps | and the forums errupted in horror over the 'no commercial support for meego on n900' |
| 19:21.07 | alterego | Now, should I run 32 or 64 bit ubuntu, I've used 64 bit for about 2 years now, but the latent flash bug is really annoying. |
| 19:21.15 | RST38h | ohoho |
| 19:21.18 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, really? |
| 19:21.18 | MohammadAG | RST38h, ask infobot about pr1.3 |
| 19:21.22 | Stskeeps | which is possibly, just possibly, more toxic than my distmaster review thread |
| 19:21.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:21.24 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, only the odd vocal few |
| 19:21.38 | noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, the rest are waiting on what could be possible community wise :P |
| 19:21.44 | Stskeeps | is watching eurovision |
| 19:21.48 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 19:21.50 | tybollt_ | noobmonk3y: I'm vocal - not odd! |
| 19:21.51 | tybollt_ | :) |
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| 19:21.54 | noobmonk3y | eurovision?! |
| 19:21.59 | Stskeeps | yeah.. :P |
| 19:21.59 | noobmonk3y | lol tybollt_ ;) |
| 19:22.00 | thp | alterego: never had a problem with flash on 64bit ubuntu (but only went 64bit in january) |
| 19:22.05 | MohammadAG | some show that recently started afaik |
| 19:22.08 | X-Fade | slaps Stskeeps |
| 19:22.16 | Stskeeps | and the finnish song atm is .. interesting |
| 19:22.22 | noobmonk3y | not on uk channels :( |
| 19:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I guess it will make it into prime time news on CNN |
| 19:22.46 | MohammadAG | Oi, you got PR1.2 first, wait for everything else |
| 19:22.50 | noobmonk3y | omfg BBC 3 |
| 19:22.56 | noobmonk3y | thats quite funny |
| 19:23.01 | noobmonk3y | degraded to a channel no one watches |
| 19:23.16 | noobmonk3y | loving finnish folkyness |
| 19:23.20 | matthew- | MohammadAG: what do u mean, pr1.2 released? |
| 19:23.21 | happyblob | lol |
| 19:23.27 | Stskeeps | they're actually singing n900's running meego |
| 19:23.27 | noobmonk3y | matthew-, released today |
| 19:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | matthew-: what do YOU mean? |
| 19:23.35 | noobmonk3y | well kinda |
| 19:23.37 | Stskeeps | .. and you can't have them! |
| 19:23.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:23.38 | alterego | thp: I have a problem with the mouse, it's a known issue, not sure about the environment exactly which causes it, but it is very common. Basically my left-mouse button doesn't work as it should, I have to hack it by pushing middle and then clicking left to get it to work properly. Though, this isn't the case for all apps, I suspect some are written not to care about which button for their controls .. |
| 19:23.42 | matthew- | Oh |
| 19:23.47 | noobmonk3y | OTA for the UK, and the rest tomorrow, but you can flash |
| 19:23.49 | matthew- | ANyone knows if it's out in UK yet? |
| 19:23.53 | matthew- | ah ok |
| 19:23.55 | MohammadAG | infobot, pr1.3 |
| 19:23.56 | infobot | somebody said pr1.3 was a ban'able subject now..... |
| 19:24.01 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 19:24.02 | noobmonk3y | laughs |
| 19:24.13 | noobmonk3y | got in early with that one ;) |
| 19:24.17 | jacekowski | roquetto: disabling vdso will fix it |
| 19:24.45 | noobmonk3y | oh eurovision semi final |
| 19:24.50 | roquetto | jacekowski: thanks |
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| 19:25.18 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, Healthcheck killed your device yet? |
| 19:25.38 | MohammadAG | Connection to 192.168.1.100 closed. |
| 19:25.40 | MohammadAG | kind of |
| 19:25.46 | noobmonk3y | closed? |
| 19:25.51 | noobmonk3y | wtf |
| 19:25.53 | MohammadAG | no trout to host |
| 19:25.59 | noobmonk3y | doing what? |
| 19:26.02 | MohammadAG | route* |
| 19:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: you're doing it wrong. To know how to reliably kill the device, you need lesson from me ;-P |
| 19:26.20 | MohammadAG | ssh got swapped |
| 19:26.27 | noobmonk3y | lol DocScrutinizer :P |
| 19:26.37 | MohammadAG | and i2cset |
| 19:26.38 | noobmonk3y | is confused |
| 19:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:26.45 | noobmonk3y | whats ssh got to do with h/c? |
| 19:27.26 | noobmonk3y | why do some of the countries sing in english... meh - would much rather here the nationals language lyrics |
| 19:27.37 | noobmonk3y | hear* |
| 19:27.42 | thresh | because they want to win? |
| 19:27.51 | noobmonk3y | but everyone hates england lol |
| 19:27.55 | noobmonk3y | it ruins their chances |
| 19:27.59 | noobmonk3y | unless immigrants vote |
| 19:28.24 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, aren't YOU english? |
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| 19:28.34 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, half :P and lol - tis true tho |
| 19:28.34 | MohammadAG | oh wait, forgot the parts you talked about in PM |
| 19:28.40 | noobmonk3y | lols |
| 19:28.46 | thresh | doesnt hate england |
| 19:29.00 | noobmonk3y | english people due to recent wars etc, arn't the mot loved people in the world, |
| 19:29.16 | noobmonk3y | i still blame G W Bush, but meh... |
| 19:29.19 | thresh | hmm I wonder what russians are then |
| 19:29.20 | noobmonk3y | anyway.... |
| 19:29.26 | noobmonk3y | russians are russian maybe? |
| 19:29.39 | thresh | could be true |
| 19:29.50 | alterego | I think England is mainly unpopular in England, well, and the middle-east |
| 19:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think there's quite a difference between english and US |
| 19:29.59 | noobmonk3y | lol alterego good point |
| 19:30.02 | alterego | But the Middle-East hate everyone that isn't themselves. |
| 19:30.23 | MohammadAG | yes, I hate you alterego |
| 19:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | in fact likes British |
| 19:30.26 | noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, i agree, but i do find sometimes everyone gets bundled up in 1 cozy package..... |
| 19:30.27 | MohammadAG | deeply |
| 19:30.38 | noobmonk3y | and yes it depends on where in the world you are i suppose :D |
| 19:30.43 | alterego | MohammadAG: I come from burma? ... |
| 19:30.50 | MohammadAG | I come in peace |
| 19:30.51 | alterego | I suppose that isn't really middle .. |
| 19:30.56 | MohammadAG | (mars afaik?) |
| 19:31.01 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, did you ever actually upgrade healthcheck? lol |
| 19:31.03 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'm from the ME lol |
| 19:31.04 | alterego | I leave in peices :) |
| 19:31.07 | noobmonk3y | omfg! |
| 19:31.10 | noobmonk3y | is that a bloke?!?! |
| 19:31.35 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Just take along a BFG9000 |
| 19:31.56 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, actually no, here's a reason After this operation, 43.6MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 19:32.08 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, pyqt stuff :P |
| 19:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 19:32.33 | noobmonk3y | still got 95mb free in my rootfs :P |
| 19:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~art appmanager |
| 19:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart appmanager |
| 19:33.04 | infobot | shoots appmanager in his sleep |
| 19:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | better |
| 19:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | ..., for not showing the volume where the disk space will be allocated |
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| 19:33.37 | noobmonk3y | right - need to go get chineseyness! |
| 19:33.42 | noobmonk3y | yeah doc :P |
| 19:33.50 | noobmonk3y | healthcheck is still tiny :( |
| 19:33.56 | noobmonk3y | but uses a bloody load of dependencies |
| 19:33.59 | MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR |
| 19:34.05 | tybollt_ | well |
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| 19:34.11 | MohammadAG | RST38h, second one is my favorite |
| 19:34.12 | tybollt_ | flashing manually involves wiping |
| 19:34.14 | MohammadAG | I take it to school |
| 19:34.16 | tybollt_ | OTA is teh shit |
| 19:34.21 | alterego | MY rootfs is now 87.9, but I've installed all my apps back. |
| 19:34.33 | noobmonk3y | :D :D |
| 19:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | ideally from HAM pkg details you should be able to tell if a app is optified or not |
| 19:34.57 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 19:35.08 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you got one? (Scar-H) |
| 19:35.13 | noobmonk3y | right off to go get food, back laters |
| 19:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: errr wut? |
| 19:35.20 | MohammadAG | get me some |
| 19:35.28 | MohammadAG | oh and get frals some trouts |
| 19:35.32 | noobmonk3y | duck :D w0000p |
| 19:35.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, second link I posted |
| 19:35.36 | noobmonk3y | close enough |
| 19:35.39 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Given the nature of the problem, I really expected you to go for WMDs... |
| 19:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: unrelated noise gets usually ignore by me |
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| 19:36.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's only a few lines up |
| 19:36.25 | MohammadAG | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuke :) |
| 19:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | I see, but can't get bothered to click it |
| 19:36.46 | MohammadAG | hah |
| 19:37.03 | MohammadAG | I thought you liked weaponry :P |
| 19:37.14 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Yea, except that these are half-mythical |
| 19:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | there's no tag "waeponery" on it... |
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| 19:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | no I may consider checking it |
| 19:37.30 | crs | Hi guys. How can I switch to silent and back to General profiles at given times? |
| 19:37.39 | MohammadAG | RST38h, it's the 25th killstreak |
| 19:37.51 | MohammadAG | so I don't get it often |
| 19:37.52 | chadi | I can't capture IVs on easy debian using airodump (data is 0 on all networks, even though there is a lot of active clients). Do you guys also have this poroblem? |
| 19:37.57 | alterego | crs: set two alarms to prompt you to do it yourself? :P |
| 19:37.59 | MohammadAG | I use #maemo as my spawn point |
| 19:38.01 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 19:38.10 | crs | alterego: Haha :) |
| 19:38.17 | MohammadAG | crs, alarmed |
| 19:38.35 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Yea, these will do |
| 19:39.12 | tybollt_ | bwahaha |
| 19:39.21 | tybollt_ | //www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/25/meps_to_get_ipads/ |
| 19:39.23 | tybollt_ | ehr |
| 19:39.25 | tybollt_ | fail |
| 19:39.27 | tybollt_ | Updates to the Ovi Maps application, but no voice navigation yet. |
| 19:39.33 | tybollt_ | ^^^^^^^bwahaha |
| 19:39.37 | alterego | tybollt_: I posted that earlier, hilarious ;) |
| 19:39.51 | tybollt_ | alterego: yes sorry didnt mean to post the link ;) |
| 19:39.59 | alterego | tybollt_: Oh, right :P |
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| 19:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | crs: check alarmed app |
| 19:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | crs: and tweakr maybe |
| 19:44.56 | MohammadAG | prefers alarmed |
| 19:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | tweakr just for additional profiles |
| 19:45.12 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, you should cut down on the options, they're a bit confusing :) |
| 19:45.50 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: don't listen to him, he gets confused in his own trousers' bags |
| 19:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | err pockets |
| 19:46.29 | n900-dk_ | infobot: Are we there yet? |
| 19:47.02 | MohammadAG | #maemo should cut down on DocScrutinizers |
| 19:47.04 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 19:47.30 | alterego | contemplates writing an app that allows you to setup the device to act as an ubuntu installer. |
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| 19:47.59 | alterego | I'd find that quite useful, being able to switch between it being able to install 32bit and 64bit ubuntu |
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| 19:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu alterego |
| 19:49.19 | infobot | ACTION lovingly explains to alterego in a way that causes alterego to weep with gratitude that alterego must read the fine, friendly manual |
| 19:49.22 | simoneb_ | i'm trying to skip to the next track in the media player from the command line. i've seen that the media player widget sends to the dbus a command that ends with "member=get_next". How do I turn that into a command for dbus-send? |
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| 19:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: ubuntu -> http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 19:50.22 | Spitfire_ | Hai! |
| 19:50.28 | Spitfire_ | Enjoying the new Firmware :)? |
| 19:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it's lame |
| 19:50.47 | simoneb_ | Spitfire_: no new firmware here yet |
| 19:51.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hey, the guy on the left like commenting out stuff |
| 19:51.15 | Spitfire_ | Simoneb_ look on tablet.Nokia :) |
| 19:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS and fine a matching template to tweak |
| 19:52.25 | simoneb_ | Spitfire_: uh? tablet.nokia.com? |
| 19:52.25 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: no maemo :P |
| 19:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 19:52.26 | infobot | [pr1.2] available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 19:52.27 | Spitfire_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: esp I suggest http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play |
| 19:55.31 | simoneb_ | DocScrutinizer: that's to play a file |
| 19:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | and http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-music-pause |
| 19:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I know |
| 19:56.04 | crs | DocScrutinizer: Is it in extras? |
| 19:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: ""...and find a matching template to **tweak**"" |
| 19:56.49 | simoneb_ | DocScrutinizer: i was infacts wondering about that two and why they were so different |
| 19:56.57 | crs | DocScrutinizer: Do you mean alarmd? |
| 19:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed |
| 19:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | extras-devel afaik |
| 19:57.25 | crs | can't find it |
| 19:57.51 | simoneb_ | i just tried the dbus-send-music-pause, but it doesn't seem to pause the music player... |
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| 19:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 |
| 19:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed ^^ |
| 19:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | though this should work better now, with 1.2 |
| 19:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 19:59.26 | Dassu | :/ hmm, still getting stuttering through skype(wlan) |
| 20:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't it worse when skype would refuse to transmit stuttering ? ;-P |
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| 20:01.11 | tybollt_ | was the ovi suite version compatible w/ n900 released yet? |
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| 20:02.14 | tybollt_ | no |
| 20:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | cya dudes, this is a day too boring with too few new exciting things happening, to make me stay on IRC the whole evening :-P |
| 20:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | --> dinner |
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| 20:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: I just wondered if maybe the first (play) is addressed to the GUI, to put the file into the playlist and pop up on screen, while the 2nd is to the actual playing daemon to cause it pause the playback |
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| 20:07.00 | Turks | any decent barcode scanners for the n800 |
| 20:07.09 | DrGrov | PR 1.2 out now!? |
| 20:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | see /topic |
| 20:07.19 | b-man17 | well, for the UK |
| 20:07.25 | simoneb_ | DocScrutinizer: i found the answer here http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Phone where it says Pause what's currently playing, just change "pause" into "next" |
| 20:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | no, for everybody |
| 20:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | simoneb_: fair enough |
| 20:07.57 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer, it is out for everybody?!? :) |
| 20:07.58 | DrGrov | God damn! |
| 20:07.58 | b-man17 | didn't get an update notification |
| 20:08.00 | DrGrov | Party time! |
| 20:08.38 | simoneb_ | DocScrutinizer: i'm trying to make some buttons for my laptop's desktop, to control the n900's music player |
| 20:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 20:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-25 22:03:10] * DocScrutinizer --> dinner |
| 20:09.41 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer, PR 1.2 is also available in Finland then I presume? |
| 20:10.25 | b-man17 | DocScrutinizer: i thought that the UK was getting it today, and everyone else tomorrow |
| 20:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | >>The update is available OTA in the UK, but if you want to flash your device to get a fresh start, grab the firmware images from here. |
| 20:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/the-n900-finally-gets-the-pr-1-2-firmware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central) |
| 20:11.43 | b-man | ah |
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| 20:13.38 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer, any news on that the phone can be used in portrait mode also for most apps? |
| 20:14.09 | MohammadAG | How many times was that confirmed to be NOT coming to Maemo 5? |
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| 20:14.33 | johnsq | Hi |
| 20:14.33 | b-man | will just wait for the OTA update to arrive for his area |
| 20:14.47 | b-man | hello, johnsq |
| 20:15.32 | MohammadAG | b-man, your ubuntu rootfs is kinda borked :P |
| 20:15.39 | MohammadAG | hey johnsq |
| 20:15.55 | Dima202 | Is it possible to run the flasher if i have only 50% battery life? |
| 20:16.19 | Dima202 | just came home and want to update =) |
| 20:16.46 | b-man | MohammadAG: everything is outdated |
| 20:16.51 | ToJa92 | I had like 15% when I flashed |
| 20:16.52 | microlith | Dima202: I wouldn't run it if not plugged in... |
| 20:16.59 | MohammadAG | b-man, actually, /bin/bash isn't executable :) |
| 20:17.04 | b-man | LOL |
| 20:17.06 | MohammadAG | Dima202, yes |
| 20:17.15 | thp | microlith: well, you can't flash if you're not plugged into USB ;) |
| 20:17.22 | MohammadAG | b-man, I was kinda going to work on it but.. it looked for /scratchbox |
| 20:17.27 | Dima202 | ok, thanks i'll give it a shot |
| 20:17.30 | MohammadAG | for some reason... |
| 20:17.49 | microlith | thp: ahh, I was thinking doing the update from the repos instead |
| 20:17.50 | MohammadAG | b-man, also ports.ubuntu.com is the most f'd up place I've been to, can't find the image |
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| 20:18.03 | MohammadAG | oh and still haven't paid for that thingy XP |
| 20:18.06 | RST38h | hmmm...flash or OTA? it is a difficult question |
| 20:18.19 | thresh | you already have OTA, RST38h ? |
| 20:18.24 | RST38h | nope |
| 20:18.26 | b-man | MohammadAG: they don't host images, it's a package repository - you have to bootstrap your own |
| 20:18.30 | RST38h | too early for us |
| 20:18.33 | thresh | i'm too lazy to reflash |
| 20:18.53 | RST38h | well, reflashing is proto is somewhat complicated in my case |
| 20:19.04 | MohammadAG | b-man, I wasn't looking for a root image, I was looking for something to start bootstrapping with lol |
| 20:19.06 | thresh | and I would need something to waste my at work tomorrow, too |
| 20:19.16 | MohammadAG | I got the imax51 image, but I feel I went off course there |
| 20:19.35 | b-man | MohammadAG: do you have debootstrap? :) |
| 20:19.47 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 20:19.55 | Dima202 | hmm Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 20:19.56 | b-man | sends you mine |
| 20:20.00 | b-man | 1 sec |
| 20:20.10 | MohammadAG | 0 upgraded, 206 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 20:20.10 | MohammadAG | Need to get 78.7MB/214MB of archives. |
| 20:20.10 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.25 | ToJa92 | [Dima202]: What os do you have? |
| 20:20.34 | RST38h | Are you in the UK or what? |
| 20:20.35 | Dima202 | Windows 7 |
| 20:20.41 | ToJa92 | 64-bit? |
| 20:20.44 | Dima202 | yep |
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| 20:20.55 | MohammadAG | Get:15 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ tunewiki-community 1.0.7 [628kB] wohoo fixed apt (this is illegal - kind of - right?) |
| 20:21.05 | Viliny__ | crashanddie you here? |
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| 20:21.11 | ToJa92 | look here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_using_the_command_line |
| 20:21.15 | ToJa92 | under 64-bit section |
| 20:21.18 | Dima202 | ty |
| 20:21.34 | ToJa92 | didn't work for me though, I just had to get my school laptop with xp 32-bits |
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| 20:22.51 | b-man | MohammadAG: http://b-man.xceleo.org/files/debootstrap_1.0.20_all.deb |
| 20:23.14 | b-man | MohammadAG: i'll get you a guide, 1 sec |
| 20:23.25 | Dima202 | rebooting |
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| 20:23.33 | ZogG | is extra dev down or just for 1.2 is not created yet? |
| 20:23.47 | ToJa92 | it works for me |
| 20:24.30 | MohammadAG | b-man, oh it installs to the N900? |
| 20:24.34 | ZogG | ToJa92 always "can't resolve" |
| 20:24.43 | b-man | MohammadAG: yes |
| 20:24.51 | b-man | MohammadAG: i optified it ;) |
| 20:24.52 | ToJa92 | [ZogG]: Do you have the correct url? |
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| 20:24.57 | MohammadAG | b-man, wouldn't scratchbox be faster? :) |
| 20:25.03 | hawai`i | MohammadAG: you have PM |
| 20:25.05 | ZogG | ToJa92, not sure |
| 20:25.20 | ZogG | b-man, what's that for? =) |
| 20:25.27 | ZogG | MohammadAG, you have me |
| 20:25.27 | simoneb_ | seems i can't use dbus-send with a user which isn't "user" or "root" ... any clues? i tried with run-standalone.sh ... |
| 20:25.34 | b-man | MohammadAG: bootstraping on the device would be easier - and probably faster |
| 20:25.43 | ToJa92 | [ZogG]: Remove it and add again then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
| 20:25.48 | ZogG | what is boot straping |
| 20:25.48 | b-man | ZogG: bootstraping an ubuntu image :) |
| 20:25.49 | MohammadAG | b-man, kk :) |
| 20:26.07 | hawai`i | Has anybody noticed HUGE hammering of browserd and rtcom-messaging-ui with PR1.2? |
| 20:26.13 | hawai`i | er, proc hammering. |
| 20:26.17 | ZogG | b-man i have no clue what is boot straing, can you explain in few words or it's better to google? =) |
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| 20:26.43 | hawai`i | 2 packages changed fingerprints in the repositories |
| 20:26.52 | Sryche | anyone using opera mobile? |
| 20:27.17 | ToJa92 | [Sryche]: I have tried it |
| 20:27.22 | ZogG | if i make restoring the programs and select only few from list - do i loose the installed ones? |
| 20:27.25 | ToJa92 | using MicroB / Minefield now though |
| 20:27.28 | b-man | ZogG: bootstraping is the process of gathering packages from a repository to construct/install the distribution on the device |
| 20:27.36 | Sryche | tl |
| 20:27.42 | summel | Sryche: sometimes |
| 20:27.48 | Sryche | ToJa92, i see. how did you updated microb to latest version? |
| 20:28.01 | summel | opera looks nice but you notice that it is not finished yet :) |
| 20:28.04 | dhq | what is osversion |
| 20:28.05 | ToJa92 | [Sryche]: What do you mean by 'updating'? |
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| 20:28.29 | dhq | OS 2009 version 2.2009.51-1 |
| 20:28.32 | dhq | what is this |
| 20:28.47 | dhq | why dont i have skype inbuilt |
| 20:28.53 | Sryche | ToJa92, well, which one you use? |
| 20:28.53 | summel | you have oO |
| 20:29.03 | Sryche | oops |
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| 20:29.06 | Sryche | sorry :x |
| 20:29.06 | b-man | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975 |
| 20:29.06 | summel | rtfm :P |
| 20:29.20 | b-man | MohammadAG: as a reference ;) |
| 20:29.20 | trumee | changing keyword.url in microb doesnt stick with PR1.2 |
| 20:29.24 | ToJa92 | [Sryche]: The one included in PR1.2 :P |
| 20:29.26 | Sryche | summel, rtfg = read the fucking grammar |
| 20:29.32 | Sryche | ToJa92, n900? |
| 20:29.36 | ToJa92 | yeah |
| 20:29.40 | Sryche | i see |
| 20:29.44 | summel | Sryche: no i meant dhq |
| 20:29.49 | Sryche | i'm using it on a n800 |
| 20:29.49 | trumee | anybody changed google search in microb? |
| 20:29.57 | dhq | why |
| 20:30.07 | summel | dhq: you do have skype |
| 20:30.13 | trumee | can i add simply to prefs.js? |
| 20:30.16 | dhq | no i dont |
| 20:30.27 | Sryche | i'm trying to change user agent to use iPhone version of websites |
| 20:30.28 | summel | yes you do :) |
| 20:30.45 | dhq | when i go to settings--> voip and im all i have is SIP |
| 20:30.57 | summel | settings > voip & chat accounts |
| 20:30.59 | summel | oO |
| 20:31.05 | summel | there should also be jabber |
| 20:31.07 | summel | and skype |
| 20:31.09 | summel | and stuff |
| 20:31.18 | dhq | there is no skype i have all the others |
| 20:31.26 | zash | stuff is the best protocolnetworkthingy ever! |
| 20:31.34 | Stskeeps | dhq: try in im accounts |
| 20:31.44 | Sryche | zash, indeed. |
| 20:31.48 | dhq | i check there too |
| 20:32.00 | dhq | i think they dint add it in the indian one |
| 20:32.09 | dhq | so i think i will download the global one |
| 20:32.37 | dhq | so i download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:34.07 | Milhouse | bit of a freaking disaster restoring a backup after flashing with pr1.2 |
| 20:34.24 | frals | MohammadAG: you didnt include qwerty keyboard in 0.5 of vertsms? ;-) |
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| 20:34.43 | MohammadAG | frals, he didn't tell me to :) |
| 20:34.47 | Milhouse | pretty sure that previously, upon restoring the backup all previous apps would be restored... i've got no apps to restore, lost all my rss feeds... not what else didn't make it. seems a major backward step. |
| 20:34.49 | MohammadAG | frals, I'd happily do it though |
| 20:34.51 | ZogG | ToJa92 is it freemantle or freemantle-1.2 ? |
| 20:34.58 | MohammadAG | frals, any way of swapping between both |
| 20:35.01 | frals | still not heard anything about my merge requests :( |
| 20:35.02 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it's fre not free! |
| 20:35.03 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 20:35.13 | frals | MohammadAG: theres a key to switch between them in my patch |
| 20:35.20 | MohammadAG | key? |
| 20:35.22 | frals | 123/ABC switches |
| 20:35.24 | MohammadAG | no GUI switch? |
| 20:35.25 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 20:35.28 | frals | gui key |
| 20:35.30 | frals | buttonthingy |
| 20:35.31 | frals | ;) |
| 20:35.33 | MohammadAG | ooh |
| 20:35.35 | MohammadAG | buttons |
| 20:35.37 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 20:35.37 | ZogG | MohammadAG anyway is it 1.2 or not |
| 20:35.45 | MohammadAG | yes, but why? |
| 20:36.02 | MohammadAG | b-man, thanks :) |
| 20:36.21 | MohammadAG | anyone got any ideas how to STOP hildon-desktop? |
| 20:36.25 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, may I ask you? Is there any portrait mode for most things now also, not only landscape? |
| 20:36.29 | ZogG | timeouts damn |
| 20:36.48 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, no, same as before |
| 20:36.56 | ZogG | did i got answer - was timeouted =( |
| 20:36.57 | MohammadAG | except for the browser |
| 20:37.11 | MohammadAG | <ZogG> MohammadAG anyway is it 1.2 or not |
| 20:37.11 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> yes, but why? |
| 20:37.31 | ZogG | MohammadAG i get error connecting to it |
| 20:37.38 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 20:37.45 | MohammadAG | sue bezeq |
| 20:37.50 | phellarv | Hmm should I upgrade my apps to the stuff in extras-devel? Choices choices... |
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| 20:37.56 | ecksun | how can i listen to all dbus-messages send/recived in the phone? Im interested in finding out how to listen for wlan-changes |
| 20:38.10 | MohammadAG | dbus-monitor |
| 20:38.12 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, ah okay. What major changes do you see at the moment? |
| 20:38.19 | MohammadAG | Qt 4.6.2 |
| 20:38.24 | MohammadAG | and tmo's slower than usual |
| 20:38.30 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 20:38.31 | ecksun | MohammadAG, okay, thx, will look into it |
| 20:38.34 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Hehe |
| 20:38.38 | ToJa92 | [ZogG]: I just have fremantle |
| 20:38.40 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, I will still keep all my old applications and contacts etc. even through an update to PR 1.2? |
| 20:38.49 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, not if you reflash |
| 20:38.50 | ZogG | ToJa92 that;s what i think is problem in |
| 20:38.54 | phellarv | MohammadAG: If you do a backup first, yes |
| 20:39.00 | phellarv | Err |
| 20:39.04 | MohammadAG | phellarv, not in the same state as before |
| 20:39.04 | ToJa92 | [ZogG]: Works for me... |
| 20:39.17 | ToJa92 | Do you have a WLAN you can try connecting with? |
| 20:39.20 | MohammadAG | killall -SIGSTOP did it (thanks DocScrutinizer :P) |
| 20:39.30 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, so I do a backup first and then reinstall the backup and that is it? |
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| 20:39.39 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Well - They did for me - Atleast doog enough for me |
| 20:39.43 | phellarv | good |
| 20:39.44 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, you'll need to reinstall all apps |
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| 20:39.55 | MohammadAG | phellarv, well some settings will be wiped, even after restoration |
| 20:39.55 | phellarv | Damn - where is my spellchecker... |
| 20:39.59 | MohammadAG | the bootloader is one |
| 20:40.03 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, ah that is a shame but nevertheless not a big problem. Just need the contacts basically. |
| 20:40.07 | MohammadAG | the custom stuff in /usr |
| 20:40.17 | phellarv | MohammadAG: Mmm - but that is expected.. |
| 20:40.24 | DrGrov | Mobsan, contacts will be kept intact? |
| 20:40.29 | wollop | is it just ask any question in here about maemo etc or if you need help is there a offical help channel? |
| 20:40.35 | MohammadAG | I killed hildon-desktop (so that it does f up the CPU to regenerate the menu) and I'm restoring apps using apt-get |
| 20:40.37 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, contacts will be kept intact? |
| 20:40.41 | MohammadAG | which.. .is faster |
| 20:40.43 | ZogG | MohammadAG it's without 1.2 |
| 20:40.46 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Just ask :) |
| 20:40.57 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, if you reflash the eMMC yes |
| 20:41.04 | ZogG | repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/ |
| 20:41.05 | MohammadAG | my screen's red :/ |
| 20:41.18 | phellarv | MohammadAG: I've been working with Linux since back in the Slackware 1.0 days - So I pretty much know what to expect from such a wipe. |
| 20:41.21 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, so the device gives me the chance to do a backup and I accept and problem solved sort of? |
| 20:41.37 | MohammadAG | ZogG, deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free |
| 20:41.40 | ZogG | MohammadAG do you have screen protection? |
| 20:41.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG nope |
| 20:41.58 | MohammadAG | change it to that |
| 20:42.03 | ZogG | MohammadAG i was talking about extra-devel |
| 20:42.04 | MohammadAG | phellarv, I didn't say you didn't |
| 20:42.07 | Appiah | is extra-devel down? |
| 20:42.21 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:42.22 | MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free |
| 20:42.22 | MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free |
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| 20:42.38 | phellarv | Just flinging out a question - If I install apps from extras-testing, and upgrade from extras-devel - Am I pretty much opt-safe? |
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| 20:42.49 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, use the backup app |
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| 20:42.55 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I have a screen protector |
| 20:42.58 | ToJa92 | [Appiah]: No |
| 20:43.07 | MohammadAG | interview done? :P |
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| 20:43.20 | ToJa92 | [phellarv]: You never know... But in general, you should be safe |
| 20:43.24 | ZogG | MohammadAG which one? is it good? is it cheap? |
| 20:43.25 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, yes will do sir yes sir :) |
| 20:43.32 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, i hate to lose my contacts LOL |
| 20:43.32 | Appiah | hmm |
| 20:43.38 | phellarv | ToJa92: Expected that - Just had to ask. |
| 20:43.39 | Appiah | maybe I should just reboot.. |
| 20:43.42 | tybollt_ | h,mm |
| 20:43.44 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, I hate getting them unmerged :) |
| 20:43.57 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, yes that is a true pain LOL :) |
| 20:43.59 | MohammadAG | DrGrov, if you reflash the FIASCO only the contacts should be there |
| 20:44.01 | wollop | well i updated firmware now it just reboots constant with a pink rectangle at the top or saying missing image |
| 20:44.03 | tybollt_ | MohammadAG: "suitable usb device not found waiting" while flashing - what am I doing wrong? :) |
| 20:44.05 | wollop | any help? |
| 20:44.06 | MohammadAG | (unmerged though) |
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| 20:44.16 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, troubleshooting sections in... |
| 20:44.18 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 20:44.19 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:44.19 | ZogG | MohammadAG and if i have news apps and i do restore apps - do i loose new ones, or it's only add them? |
| 20:44.20 | phellarv | tybollt_: Not pressing "U"? |
| 20:44.22 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Did you flash? |
| 20:44.27 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, nevermind. you talk about FIASCO etc LOL and I just try tomorrow. What is the worst thing that can happen? A bomb perhaps? LOL |
| 20:44.28 | wollop | ToJa92: |
| 20:44.33 | wollop | no just updating |
| 20:44.33 | DrGrov | MohammadAG, thanks for your kind help :) |
| 20:44.35 | GAN900 | tybollt_, why are you flashing? |
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| 20:44.49 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, np :P |
| 20:44.53 | jaska | googlebot |
| 20:44.56 | phellarv | Uuuh - New opera out too...Nice |
| 20:45.00 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Did you have any extras-devel apps installed? |
| 20:45.13 | wollop | its possible but i had the resp disabled for doing the update |
| 20:45.25 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, you lose power while flashing the bootloader, turning the N900 into paperweight |
| 20:45.52 | tybollt_ | GAN900: I want to learn how to do it. Perhaps not important now - but probably later when meego gets here. |
| 20:45.54 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Do you have a recent backup? |
| 20:45.56 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, I kind of like to hook up my N900 to my 42" LCD Full HD Tv. Is it possible or even necessary? What cool things can I do when it is connected to the tv?.... How you mean paperweight? I will lose all settings etc. ? |
| 20:45.58 | GAN900 | tybollt_, ah |
| 20:46.05 | GAN900 | tybollt_, well, follow the wiki |
| 20:46.16 | wollop | ToJa92: yes i dont a backup before upgrading |
| 20:46.22 | tybollt_ | GAN900: which is what I am doing, ehr wait not wiki, I'm following, uh wait |
| 20:46.22 | phellarv | DrGrov: Paperwieght = Brick |
| 20:46.27 | tybollt_ | http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/ |
| 20:46.27 | wollop | done* |
| 20:46.30 | DrGrov | phellarv, ah yes of course :) |
| 20:46.32 | GAN900 | It's super easy |
| 20:46.32 | tybollt_ | which was linked from maemo.org |
| 20:46.37 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, use the inbox cable, paperweight = a reflash won't be a fix |
| 20:46.50 | InstantGoogle | phellarv, no, a brick's heavier |
| 20:46.51 | InstantGoogle | :P |
| 20:46.57 | GAN900 | ~flashing |
| 20:46.58 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:47.01 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, I need to reflash even though the device will tell me there is 1.2 available? |
| 20:47.02 | tybollt_ | GAN900: problem is to get windows to "notice" the device - it seems |
| 20:47.04 | GAN900 | tybollt_, ^ |
| 20:47.07 | cehteh | DrGrov: tv out is only pal or ntsc .. no hd |
| 20:47.10 | wollop | ToJa92: any idea? |
| 20:47.13 | tybollt_ | GAN900: I hear you - going there now |
| 20:47.14 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Well I'd suggest going to a nokia care center and see if they can save it.. worst case would be if they need to reflash - then some stuff will be removed(not photos) |
| 20:47.15 | phellarv | InstantGoogle: Depends on what paper you want to wieght down.. ;-P |
| 20:47.18 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, wait till tomorrow, OTA will be available by then |
| 20:47.19 | GAN900 | Hold U while plugging in the cable. |
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| 20:47.21 | DrGrov | cehteh, yes I know. I am not perhaps too noob if I buy a 42" tv :) |
| 20:47.30 | InstantGoogle | phellarv, e-paper |
| 20:47.33 | DrGrov | cehteh, of course no HD. Nokia is not that hardcore yet :) thanks though :) |
| 20:47.35 | wollop | ToJa92: would it just be apps that i would loose? |
| 20:47.45 | InstantGoogle | HD might be coming soon |
| 20:47.48 | phellarv | InstantGoogle: Then it's featherweight ;-P |
| 20:47.48 | InstantGoogle | kind of |
| 20:47.51 | wollop | i realy need the phone working for tommorow |
| 20:47.52 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Unfortunately all contacts and messages will be removed |
| 20:47.52 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, yes I will wait until tomorrow. Otherwise things can go horribly wrong lol |
| 20:48.02 | wollop | all contacts are on my sim |
| 20:48.03 | InstantGoogle | javispedro got a displaylink working |
| 20:48.06 | wollop | and messages dont matter |
| 20:48.14 | InstantGoogle | SIM contacts aren't that detailed |
| 20:48.23 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, can I still take calls while I keep it connected to my TV and send messages etc. ? |
| 20:48.28 | phellarv | flashed to 1.2 roday at work - No problems - Just some hacks here and there is gone |
| 20:48.30 | ZogG | <InstantGoogle> HD might be coming soon ? |
| 20:48.38 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, it will be the same as without the cable |
| 20:48.44 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, ah yes. Good :) |
| 20:48.46 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Oh, then you could flash it if you don't really mind losing installed apps etc. |
| 20:48.54 | wollop | ah |
| 20:48.56 | wollop | ok then |
| 20:48.59 | wollop | well i dont mind that at all |
| 20:49.01 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, I would love to have it on my 42" screen to send a few messages and make a few phone calls LOL :) |
| 20:49.05 | ZogG | InstantGoogle does it make coffee? |
| 20:49.22 | phellarv | ZogG: Instant Coffee |
| 20:49.24 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Just look here |
| 20:49.25 | ToJa92 | ~flashing |
| 20:49.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:49.25 | GAN900 | Awesome, stuck keysound |
| 20:49.31 | InstantGoogle | ZogG, I said kind of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=661612&highlight=displaylink#post661612 |
| 20:49.40 | GAN900 | PR1.2 -- It sucks because we're all working on MeeGo |
| 20:49.41 | DrGrov | nah, be back a bit later. |
| 20:49.43 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, heh |
| 20:49.46 | DrGrov | Red Dead Redemption time here :) |
| 20:49.56 | InstantGoogle | no idea what that game is all about |
| 20:49.59 | GAN900 | but we really do care about N900 users! |
| 20:49.59 | InstantGoogle | it's kinda hyped |
| 20:50.05 | GAN900 | Can't you tell? |
| 20:50.11 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, it is hyped but freakin' awesome :) |
| 20:50.16 | microlith | GAN900: you're starting to sound like gerbick |
| 20:50.17 | InstantGoogle | FPS? |
| 20:50.20 | GAN900 | InstantGoogle, it's GTA IV with horses. |
| 20:50.24 | GAN900 | microlith, never! |
| 20:50.24 | InstantGoogle | LOL |
| 20:50.25 | crs | OK, what cron is being used by alarmed? |
| 20:50.33 | DrGrov | GAN900, it is so much more than GTA IV with horses. |
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| 20:50.54 | GAN900 | DrGrov, I haven't actually played it yet. |
| 20:51.11 | wicket | wallop: i have the exact same problem after upgrading to pr1.2 |
| 20:51.17 | wollop | damn |
| 20:51.23 | wollop | i cant get my machine to read the phone |
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| 20:51.25 | tybollt_ | phellarv: I _am_ pressing U |
| 20:51.26 | DrGrov | GAN900, then get it as fast as possible. it is an awesome game. |
| 20:51.29 | wollop | so im backing up all data i can atm |
| 20:51.42 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, can I hook up my N900 to Ubuntu 10.04? |
| 20:51.45 | wollop | just wondering if theres a way i can fix it atm without having to flash it |
| 20:51.47 | wicket | seems other people have the same problem too: |
| 20:51.50 | wicket | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=675711&postcount=500 |
| 20:52.00 | ToJa92 | [crs]: According to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron#Alternatives it's nokia's "alarmd" daemon |
| 20:52.01 | wicket | i can ssh to it |
| 20:52.10 | thunderfest | alright flashing for the second time today |
| 20:52.11 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, any device |
| 20:52.17 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Go talk to a nokia care centre |
| 20:52.24 | InstantGoogle | frals, is git 'awesome'? (i.e should I sign up :P) |
| 20:52.58 | wicket | i think i'll have to reflash |
| 20:53.03 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, what would it sort of help me to connect it to Ubuntu? |
| 20:53.10 | dougt | anyone have a link to the 1.2 released rom? |
| 20:53.13 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, can I easily transfer pictures etc. to the device? |
| 20:53.15 | InstantGoogle | DrGrov, mass storage |
| 20:53.18 | InstantGoogle | yes |
| 20:53.34 | InstantGoogle | dougt, tablets-dev.nokia.com |
| 20:53.40 | InstantGoogle | why am I doing this xD |
| 20:53.41 | wicket | all that time waiting and nokia still didn't test it properly |
| 20:53.42 | ToJa92 | [dougt]: Go here and enter your IMEI http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 20:53.44 | DrGrov | InstantGoogle, ah yes. of course mass storage. i have been too much playing Read Dead Redemption and watching 24 to even be thinking straight anymore lol :) |
| 20:53.46 | phellarv | Mmm - kernel-power running again |
| 20:53.47 | dougt | ty all |
| 20:54.00 | InstantGoogle | lol |
| 20:54.02 | wollop | ToJa92: |
| 20:54.03 | thunderfest | dougt: the wiki links to it http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:54.07 | wollop | i would but i need the phone tommorow |
| 20:54.15 | wollop | so going to have to back it all up and flash it |
| 20:54.27 | frals | InstantGoogle: gitorious is pretty good yeah |
| 20:54.37 | frals | InstantGoogle: imo anyway :) |
| 20:54.41 | InstantGoogle | frals, can I get a diff file of that patch? |
| 20:54.42 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: But you coudln't access the phone, could you? |
| 20:54.54 | wollop | i can via usb atm |
| 20:55.01 | frals | mhm probably, sec |
| 20:55.09 | wollop | plugged it in and and can browse the phone contents atm |
| 20:55.10 | ToJa92 | oh, right |
| 20:55.22 | tybollt_ | ARGH |
| 20:55.24 | tybollt_ | silly windows |
| 20:55.34 | wollop | removing all the updates that it downloaded |
| 20:55.37 | wollop | see how it boots now |
| 20:55.44 | tybollt_ | or whatever it is that makes it not detect my N900 =) |
| 20:56.04 | frals | InstantGoogle: http://gitorious.org/~frals/vertsms/frals-vertsms/commit/88c51facd3434221a0561a424607177e43b822e5.diff |
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| 20:56.43 | phellarv | tybollt_: Install Linux - Better than real butter. |
| 20:56.46 | crs | ToJa92: thanks, I am reading that document now. alarmed has about 16MB of dependencies, I might just use fcron... |
| 20:56.56 | tybollt_ | phellarv: bah =) |
| 20:57.17 | wollop | im just wanting phone back to factory settings now |
| 20:57.42 | ToJa92 | [wollop]: Flash the fiasco image + eMMC |
| 20:57.56 | phellarv | <-- Proud Linux user since 1994. |
| 20:58.05 | wollop | great |
| 20:58.10 | wollop | linux user for 5 years |
| 20:58.14 | wollop | but its a phone |
| 20:58.22 | wollop | and i didnt bother using it as a computer |
| 20:58.40 | ManoftheSea | wallop, you're doing it wrong |
| 20:58.49 | wollop | how so |
| 20:58.57 | ManoftheSea | why get an N900 for the PHONE function? |
| 20:59.08 | wollop | media |
| 20:59.09 | wollop | music |
| 20:59.17 | wollop | and non symbian |
| 20:59.24 | wollop | oh wait |
| 20:59.25 | InstantGoogle | frals, it's not diff'd against the latest one is it? |
| 20:59.26 | wollop | am a trollan |
| 20:59.40 | thunderfest | because maybe you had a n810 and wished it had phone function |
| 20:59.53 | wollop | nah i had a n770 |
| 20:59.56 | wollop | then i got a n78 |
| 21:00.01 | Dima202 | and done im @ 1.2 woot |
| 21:00.04 | wollop | then came to this way |
| 21:00.06 | ManoftheSea | thunderfest: wouldn't that be the computer half of it? |
| 21:00.19 | InstantGoogle | huh |
| 21:00.43 | thunderfest | more or less...a slightly less powerful computer |
| 21:01.42 | frals | InstantGoogle: hmm, probably not... :p |
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| 21:02.08 | frals | dont have the device with the code on here and cba to checkout teh code again on the phone i have here :( |
| 21:02.19 | GAN900 | Is the PR1.2 distro up for Extras-devel yet? |
| 21:02.44 | X-Fade | GAN900: No, it is just fremantle. |
| 21:02.46 | SpeedEvil | A while back lcuk alluded to installing build essentials on the device from the sdk repo. Apparantly I'm too stupid to work this out - I've spent some time with google - and not foind anything helpgul. |
| 21:02.48 | SpeedEvil | Pointers? |
| 21:04.15 | anotnac | lol gerbick is worlds worst complainer hes making lot of noise on t.m.o about no official meego on n900 yet he dont own a n900, hes trolling is becoming like orangebox recently so bored of reading is shit |
| 21:04.45 | MohammadAG | frals, diff it against the new one then, it's a pain to do it manually :) |
| 21:04.54 | MohammadAG | I got lost, it seems he changed the buttons = part |
| 21:05.22 | frals | i changed it there because i could stand having 170 lines when it could be done in ~20 |
| 21:05.39 | frals | hmm |
| 21:05.42 | frals | that diff got weird |
| 21:05.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | anotnac: request ban |
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| 21:06.13 | Dima202 | after installing emmc vanilla thing at boot the top sidebar is purple and characters are different kinds of square and rectrangle shapes? |
| 21:06.13 | GAN900 | anotnac, he's always been a troll. |
| 21:06.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, the mod would be reported |
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| 21:06.46 | ToJa92 | [Dima202]: Tried rebooting? |
| 21:06.50 | Dima202 | uhuh |
| 21:07.06 | anotnac | i would'nt go that far is a long term member but hes becoming so destructive in every thread he posts he needs a warning |
| 21:07.08 | Dima202 | i re-flashed the new firmware again and all is fine |
| 21:07.44 | Dima202 | i can access my sd card just fine, so do i need to flash emmc again? |
| 21:08.18 | ToJa92 | well to flash eMMC you need to first flash the fiasco image and then flash eMMC without reboot |
| 21:08.28 | ToJa92 | read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 21:08.30 | Dima202 | but it reboots automatically |
| 21:08.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | Dima202: eMMC flash always needs to go hand in hand with flashing rootfs |
| 21:08.52 | ToJa92 | yeah you're supposed to remove the -R parameter at the end |
| 21:08.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | Dima202: remove -R |
| 21:09.01 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: emmc == /home? |
| 21:09.02 | Dima202 | ooh got ya |
| 21:09.05 | Dima202 | ok thanks |
| 21:09.12 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: there isn't anything important there |
| 21:09.39 | Dima202 | but pr 1.2 is faster from the 2 minutes i've ran it :) |
| 21:09.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: home is on emmc, yes |
| 21:09.58 | puzzled | DocScrutinizer: contrary to what most docs say. I've seen a ton of docs that said flash image -R and then the eMMC with -R |
| 21:10.17 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well, so when n900 comes out of factory emmc is empty |
| 21:10.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | puzzled: which is wrong |
| 21:10.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: nonsense |
| 21:10.47 | puzzled | I omitted the -R during flashing of the image as told in the wiki section with the big "I" and it worked fine |
| 21:10.52 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: what's on there |
| 21:10.52 | tybollt_ | ok |
| 21:10.55 | *** part/#maemo wall[e] (~id@58.64.113.209) |
| 21:10.57 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: just basic directory structure |
| 21:11.02 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: some apps |
| 21:11.04 | tybollt_ | so I do see the device connected in window device manager |
| 21:11.08 | tybollt_ | the device is there |
| 21:11.14 | tybollt_ | yet still the flasher will not find it |
| 21:11.19 | tybollt_ | fucked up |
| 21:11.32 | phellarv | Blargh wmo is sloooow |
| 21:11.51 | tybollt_ | google (TMO) has -> "I basically plugge/unpluggde my cable ERANGE time and WFM!111 |
| 21:12.15 | *** part/#maemo panaggio (~panaggio@200-158-190-11.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 21:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: mine had a few videos and whatnot |
| 21:12.16 | ToJa92 | [tybollt_]: What OS do you use? |
| 21:13.01 | Arkenoi | so how much free root space required for OTA? |
| 21:13.02 | tybollt_ | d'oh |
| 21:13.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: nota bene emmc >> $HOME |
| 21:13.09 | tybollt_ | "It appears that Windows 7 64 bit doesn't handle USB in the same manner, and" |
| 21:13.13 | tybollt_ | fuck me |
| 21:13.20 | tybollt_ | I've 64bit windows |
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| 21:14.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt_: when device manager noticed N900 you already are busted |
| 21:15.26 | jaem | 'afternoon |
| 21:15.59 | tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer51: fair enough |
| 21:16.24 | jaem | (Linux) flasher-3.5 is giving me "No such file or directory" when run on a 64-bit distro (yeah, I know... 64-bit... :/). The permissions are fine - what am I missing? |
| 21:16.33 | thresh | 32bit libc |
| 21:16.41 | jaem | thresh, aha! Thanks. |
| 21:17.04 | jaem | Heh... I'm used to Arch, where it just nicely installs 32-bit stuff for you... silly *buntu doesn't |
| 21:17.29 | jaem | ...that wasn't criticism - just grumbling. |
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| 21:18.05 | thresh | biarch is bad mmkay |
| 21:18.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsck ubuntu |
| 21:18.26 | jaem | thresh, well, it is if you can avoid it, but sometimes you can't. |
| 21:18.31 | thresh | true |
| 21:18.32 | Dima202 | oh crap my backups are gone |
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| 21:18.44 | jaem | I just liked distros that handle it nicely when needed, rather than having to force-install it. |
| 21:18.45 | cure` | wow dennis fong is in here |
| 21:18.51 | jaem | cure`, ? |
| 21:19.00 | thresh | he's Thresh |
| 21:19.06 | satmd | wants a pure 64bit os, without 32bit legacy |
| 21:19.13 | MohammadAG | Why oh why does PSM ruin ssh |
| 21:19.14 | satmd | so people have different targets |
| 21:19.34 | satmd | and once you know it does /does not install everything, you can at least fix it |
| 21:19.36 | thresh | and yeah I kinda admired the guy |
| 21:19.45 | cure` | :P |
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| 21:21.21 | GAN900 | I love the sticky arrow keys in MicroB |
| 21:21.35 | GAN900 | "Guess how much we'll scroll this time." |
| 21:21.54 | lardman|home | GAN900: any improvements to Maps? |
| 21:21.56 | jaem | GAN900, I give up. How much? |
| 21:22.00 | jaem | Or was that a joke? |
| 21:22.00 | jaem | :P |
| 21:22.12 | GAN900 | lardman|home, it's slower. |
| 21:22.16 | lardman|home | lol |
| 21:22.18 | GAN900 | jaem, you can never tell |
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| 21:22.28 | GAN900 | sometimes it's none, sometimes it sticks |
| 21:23.31 | javispedro | failed to notice those sticky keys |
| 21:23.46 | MohammadAG | so, I'm without a hildon-desktop, and the N900 appears to have put Wi-Fi to sleep |
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| 21:23.52 | MohammadAG | any way to wake it up? |
| 21:24.01 | Dima202 | Is PR 1.2 still using hidden direcotries for My Documents etc..? didn't check before restoring from backup |
| 21:24.03 | javispedro | what kind of sleep? |
| 21:24.08 | javispedro | Dima202: that will never change |
| 21:24.10 | MohammadAG | javispedro, PSM |
| 21:24.21 | MohammadAG | ssh doesn't respond |
| 21:24.23 | javispedro | MohammadAG: PSM is independent of hildon-desktop |
| 21:24.31 | GAN900 | Dima202, of course. |
| 21:24.34 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I know, but I have no way of waking up ssh |
| 21:24.36 | GAN900 | Dima202, i18n |
| 21:24.36 | ptl | will NOT upgrade to PR1.2 just to be a rebel |
| 21:24.37 | MohammadAG | err |
| 21:24.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: page-up (shift-space), home and end are missing |
| 21:24.42 | javispedro | MohammadAG: PSM shouldn't cause it not to respond O.o |
| 21:24.50 | MohammadAG | javispedro, well it is... |
| 21:24.53 | MohammadAG | and it always does |
| 21:24.55 | MohammadAG | unless I'm online |
| 21:25.02 | javispedro | broken router |
| 21:25.12 | ZogG | ptl port symbian 40 to n900 |
| 21:25.14 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't be surprised... |
| 21:25.21 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, try the arrows. |
| 21:25.30 | MohammadAG | ZogG, there's been one limitation on symbian devices |
| 21:25.34 | MohammadAG | the screen res |
| 21:25.49 | MohammadAG | no symbian devices scales up the old S60v3 except the E90 |
| 21:25.50 | ZogG | it's ok |
| 21:25.54 | ZogG | the screen is smaller |
| 21:25.58 | ptl | ZogG: Symbian S40? No way, if there's a Symbian that's work porting, it's Symbian S90! (Nokia 7710) |
| 21:26.03 | ZogG | the resolution i mean |
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| 21:26.20 | ZogG | ptl win mobile FTW |
| 21:26.27 | skynets | PR1.2 ftl |
| 21:26.30 | skynets | :D |
| 21:26.32 | Appiah | huh |
| 21:26.34 | Appiah | what now |
| 21:26.59 | MohammadAG | wonders if dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"google.com" would wake it up |
| 21:26.59 | skynets | question for u guys |
| 21:27.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: you've noticed sarahn on hm-thread?. |
| 21:27.05 | MohammadAG | realizes there's no ssh to do that command |
| 21:27.28 | skynets | whats the falsher 3.5 command to fully erase the phone memory while reflashing with PR 1.2 final? |
| 21:27.34 | ZogG | i tottaly forgot to watch how i met your mother and big bang theory today =( |
| 21:27.44 | ZogG | all because of pr1.2 |
| 21:27.44 | MohammadAG | skynets, you need the eMMC image |
| 21:27.48 | skynets | really? |
| 21:28.07 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: done now. |
| 21:28.11 | skynets | so i get that and what's the command to reflash? |
| 21:28.17 | ZogG | skynets but be carefull |
| 21:28.20 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 21:28.21 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:28.35 | MohammadAG | ~factinfo flashing |
| 21:28.35 | infobot | flashing -- created by GeneralAntilles <n=GeneralA@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles> at Tue Jul 1 17:47:33 2008 (693 days); last modified at Thu Nov 13 03:55:42 2008 by GAN800!n=ryan@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles; it has been requested 151 times, last by MohammadAG, 14s ago. |
| 21:28.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: you definitely should chat with him/her |
| 21:28.36 | ZogG | skynets, can briknk if you do it wrong - read the thread and wiki before |
| 21:28.58 | MohammadAG | 151 times, 50 of which were today |
| 21:29.05 | jaem | thresh, I installed the ia32-libs package, and it's still bailing. I'd just flash it on Windows, but the Windows flasher makes me cry. |
| 21:29.32 | skynets | :S i have windows x64 |
| 21:29.35 | ZogG | MohammadAG so how was fedora? |
| 21:29.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: the counters are BS |
| 21:29.39 | thresh | jaem: still the same error? |
| 21:29.42 | jaem | thresh, yes. |
| 21:29.50 | ZogG | i saw someone posted screnshots of netbook meego with xfce4 |
| 21:29.51 | *** join/#maemo user_ (~user@64.134.237.3) |
| 21:29.52 | ZogG | is it true? |
| 21:29.55 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I'm dumping it |
| 21:29.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: expect all of the 151 be of today |
| 21:30.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, true |
| 21:30.07 | jaem | thresh, I've done this before, but I haven't used *buntu in ages. |
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| 21:30.14 | lardman|home | Can anyone confirm whether the FIASCO images correctly flash pre-summit devices? |
| 21:30.22 | lardman|home | I guess it's about time to do some flashing |
| 21:30.22 | MohammadAG | not me |
| 21:30.24 | GAN900 | lardman|home, no. |
| 21:30.31 | MohammadAG | You need legacy images |
| 21:30.34 | lardman|home | ah, in which case not time to do some flashing then |
| 21:30.35 | MohammadAG | whatever those are |
| 21:30.54 | user_ | fuck you Nokia, fuck you to hell |
| 21:31.12 | ZogG | user_ ÑÑеÑÑ ÐµÑÑ Ð´ÑÑпгÑÐ¿Ñ |
| 21:31.13 | heffer | can someone tell me why i get all those "Missing Image" messages after flashing the latest eMMC image? |
| 21:31.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, ping |
| 21:31.13 | javispedro | hello baron. |
| 21:31.19 | ZogG | watch the language |
| 21:31.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | user_: fuckoff |
| 21:31.24 | thresh | jaem: are you sure there is /lib/libc.so.6 or whatever? |
| 21:31.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I recall that you wanted to ban him last week |
| 21:31.58 | MohammadAG | or at least kick him |
| 21:32.08 | *** part/#maemo skynets (~asdf@dsl-216-221-38-85.aei.ca) |
| 21:32.11 | MohammadAG | a ban would be a lot for the nick user__ (since xchat uses it by default) |
| 21:32.29 | phellarv | irssi and /kickban |
| 21:32.36 | jaem | thresh, hmm, maybe this is my problem |
| 21:32.44 | ZogG | or punch him in the face |
| 21:32.50 | jaem | somehow both /lib and /lib64 contain 64-bit libc's :S |
| 21:32.53 | thresh | jaem: well, proper 32 bit libc should contain something like that |
| 21:32.57 | thresh | that is weird indeed. |
| 21:33.05 | Milhouse | were any bugs actually fixed in PR1.2? ffs! :( |
| 21:33.17 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer51] by ChanServ |
| 21:33.36 | thunderfest | javispedro: can you help me get open gl es working again since the pr1.2 upgrade |
| 21:33.46 | *** part/#maemo simoneb_ (~simone@151.59.218.122) |
| 21:33.55 | *** mode/#maemo [+q user*!*@*] by DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:33.59 | jaem | thresh, I'm trying an install --reinstall |
| 21:34.18 | javispedro | thunderfest: not really, as it will leave your local package db in a broken state and I don't want to be responsible for that.. |
| 21:34.23 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, maybe ip ban would be better? |
| 21:34.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer51] by ChanServ |
| 21:34.36 | MohammadAG | ZogG, most users have dynamic IPs |
| 21:34.44 | javispedro | hides |
| 21:34.45 | GeneralAntilles | Milhouse, yes, there were also a lot of new bugs and regressions, though. |
| 21:34.54 | GeneralAntilles | Milhouse, MicroB can actually zoom somewhat usably now. |
| 21:34.57 | MohammadAG | it doesn't help, plus IP bans are controlled by IRcops, which would mean we need freenode staff to do it |
| 21:35.05 | javispedro | apple-like font rendering!!! |
| 21:35.19 | tybollt_ | zOMG javis |
| 21:35.22 | tybollt_ | zOMG!1111 |
| 21:35.25 | Milhouse | GA: just going through basic bugs opened months ago, none seem to have been tackled. really depressing. |
| 21:35.35 | GeneralAntilles | Milhouse, yeah, Nokia sucks. |
| 21:35.42 | javispedro | months ago? |
| 21:35.45 | thunderfest | javispedro: Well I was in the middle of using your excellent library to build some apps |
| 21:35.56 | Milhouse | javidspedro: well, Dec 09 |
| 21:36.10 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 21:36.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: nope I can do IP ban |
| 21:36.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | just it's nonsense |
| 21:36.20 | RST38h | Milhouse: there are older bugs that have not been tackled |
| 21:36.26 | Milhouse | browser still fucking opens links at the same zoom level as the previous page - kraaaaap! ;) |
| 21:36.40 | javispedro | points to years old eduroam bug |
| 21:36.42 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 you can add some options to bot, autoban on certain phrase |
| 21:36.42 | jaem | Milhouse, gah |
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| 21:36.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, forgot freenode was cloak-less |
| 21:36.53 | tybollt_ | awesome :D |
| 21:36.54 | jaem | javispedro, I thought the eduroam bug was (mostly) fixed |
| 21:36.58 | tybollt_ | I installed "Global" |
| 21:36.58 | MohammadAG | our server sets mode +x on all users |
| 21:37.00 | Milhouse | RST38h - i'm sure there are, but i'm just going through some of the really simple cosmetic bugs that have been open since Maemo5 and they got no love. |
| 21:37.01 | *** join/#maemo dhd (~dhuggins@LIMA-2.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU) |
| 21:37.08 | tybollt_ | and now I've all boxes :) |
| 21:37.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | got user_ IP fwiw |
| 21:37.20 | thresh | how?! |
| 21:37.26 | jaem | javispedro, if you're referring to TTLS-PAP support, that is |
| 21:37.27 | GAN900 | Milhouse, no staff left |
| 21:37.28 | Milhouse | RST38h: Just kinda makes you wonder... "Why do I bother?" :) |
| 21:37.28 | javispedro | jaem: yes well they added the 30-line protocol support in the daemon, they didn't certificate it nor code the UI |
| 21:37.34 | dhd | is there any known problem with gstreamer not being able to find user-compiled plugins on diablo (or specifically the INdT vmware image?) |
| 21:37.40 | GAN900 | Milhouse, they're all focused on the MeeGo we wont be getting. |
| 21:37.49 | Milhouse | GAN900: Yep, same old Nokia - when will they ever learn? |
| 21:37.51 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer51 just get his adress and punch him in the face |
| 21:37.55 | jaem | javispedro, blech. Okay, I see. But if I'm using pw auth, I can still set it up manually, right? |
| 21:38.03 | ZogG | address* |
| 21:38.11 | Milhouse | Seriously... we need our heads seeing to. |
| 21:38.16 | RST38h | does not know. He does not bother any more. |
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| 21:38.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | Milhouse: that's a questionable feature indeed |
| 21:38.24 | GAN900 | Milhouse, don't think they will |
| 21:38.35 | javispedro | jaem: "pw auth"? manually? |
| 21:38.38 | GAN900 | Milhouse, as far as I can tell, MeeGo's no improvement |
| 21:38.47 | GAN900 | They're just hypocrits now. |
| 21:38.47 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 21:38.53 | SWFu | Anyone know when the monitor mode patches will be aplied to pr 1.2? |
| 21:38.57 | tybollt_ | gan: improvement how? |
| 21:39.00 | PhonicUK | has anyone else noticed that they cant search in the app manager since PR 1.2? |
| 21:39.07 | SWFu | Missing having Kismet already |
| 21:39.13 | jaem | javispedro, as in, I use a password rather than a cert to authenticate, and I thought someone was saying that you could fiddle around in GConf to set it up. |
| 21:39.16 | jaem | PhonicUK, you can, just type |
| 21:39.22 | GAN900 | tybollt_, openness, reliable device support, generally not abusing their customers and community. |
| 21:39.26 | thunderfest | javispedro: if I want to continue doing sdl + opengles development do you suggest I switch back to pr1.1 until the opengles-sgx-img-common 0.20091104.34+0m5 package conflicts are worked out |
| 21:39.28 | javispedro | jaem: yes, that's the only way you can use the new support in the daemon. |
| 21:39.34 | PhonicUK | jaem, but what if I dont know the category? |
| 21:39.34 | ZogG | it's so stupid that there browser opens in full screen and in portrait you can't even close page without going to landscape =( |
| 21:39.40 | jaem | PhonicUK, "All"? |
| 21:39.43 | thunderfest | Or what can I do to help speed this along? |
| 21:39.46 | PhonicUK | ah |
| 21:39.46 | javispedro | thunderfest: well, I'd would, but I know it's a pain. |
| 21:39.48 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 21:39.55 | PhonicUK | ok got it :) |
| 21:39.55 | Milhouse | GAN: Yep, and there's nothing we can do - just watch them die and pick up their P45s |
| 21:40.05 | PhonicUK | I didn't restore "rootsh" xD |
| 21:40.05 | jaem | javispedro, I agree that it's annoying as all get out that they didn't do it fully, but I'll be happy if it works at all. |
| 21:40.06 | javispedro | thunderfest: and hopefully since the bug's been filled we can hope for a fast response (wishful thinking) |
| 21:40.09 | jaem | ...for now, anyway |
| 21:40.09 | Milhouse | "them die" being the company, of course |
| 21:40.24 | ZogG | it would be have tabs in microb like in fennec but instead of moving browser aside to use swipe out of screen like for mouse mode |
| 21:40.41 | PhonicUK | 87MB on rootfs, *much* better |
| 21:41.27 | *** part/#maemo jaem (~jaem@d142-058-094-119.wireless.sfu.ca) |
| 21:41.32 | PhonicUK | <3 PR 1.2 |
| 21:41.45 | PhonicUK | shame theres no proper landscape support yet |
| 21:41.52 | Milhouse | Yet? |
| 21:41.53 | MohammadAG | LOL What |
| 21:41.57 | tybollt_ | GAN900: I agree |
| 21:41.59 | ZogG | thunderfest what conflict do you talk about? |
| 21:42.05 | MohammadAG | landscape is what we have |
| 21:42.10 | PhonicUK | eeeeh |
| 21:42.13 | PhonicUK | i meant portrait xD |
| 21:42.13 | MohammadAG | waits for the other DocScrutinizer to come back |
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| 21:42.28 | ZogG | and would never have it =))) |
| 21:42.29 | ptl | Does Ctrl-Shift-R still work? |
| 21:42.34 | thunderfest | javispedro: it does look like someone is working on it...that packages have changed since I first complained about it 10 or so hours ago |
| 21:42.40 | acidjazz | n900 update eh? |
| 21:42.56 | ZogG | PhonicUK, though you can turn it in some apps - but it's ugly (CTRL+SHIFT+R) |
| 21:43.02 | PhonicUK | cool |
| 21:43.13 | ZogG | ptl, yes, even in calendar |
| 21:43.16 | ZogG | but it's ugly |
| 21:43.24 | javispedro | thunderfest: so, as for now, just install whatever libgles1-sgx-img package you can get your hands on then ensure to remove it later |
| 21:43.28 | ptl | thanks, ZogG |
| 21:43.32 | ZogG | though conversation is readable |
| 21:43.42 | MohammadAG | contacts too |
| 21:43.49 | PhonicUK | aah thats much better |
| 21:43.54 | MohammadAG | from what I see contacts should have portrait support |
| 21:43.54 | PhonicUK | does that enable it globaly? |
| 21:43.57 | PhonicUK | or is it per-application? |
| 21:44.07 | MohammadAG | it's a hildon-desktop switch |
| 21:44.10 | ZogG | ptl, the problem that some programs just turn WM portrait but not content itself |
| 21:44.11 | MohammadAG | so afaik it's global |
| 21:44.13 | PhonicUK | cool |
| 21:44.15 | MohammadAG | but it's annoying sometimes |
| 21:44.26 | ZogG | PhonicUK per app and you can turn it off |
| 21:44.30 | ptl | I know... lol |
| 21:44.37 | PhonicUK | it switches to landscape for the keyboard though :( |
| 21:44.37 | ZogG | MohammadAG, per app |
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| 21:44.56 | ZogG | afaik per app |
| 21:45.00 | cure` | fedora 13 and maemo 1.2 on the same day, and i use both fedora and maemo, what about that? |
| 21:45.04 | wolf^ | yes, it's per app |
| 21:45.06 | cure` | should keep me busy for the weekend |
| 21:45.07 | PhonicUK | the file manager works :D |
| 21:45.18 | ZogG | cure`, both oses are not the best =) |
| 21:45.20 | MohammadAG | well how about that |
| 21:45.30 | cure` | nothing is the best |
| 21:45.36 | ZogG | photomanager also but it's ugly =( |
| 21:45.45 | ZogG | it's like pictures are one on the other |
| 21:46.04 | ZogG | cure` Plan9 FTW |
| 21:46.15 | PhonicUK | plan9 is a weird OS |
| 21:46.19 | thresh | if you're from outer space |
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| 21:46.39 | ZogG | ~Plan9 is the best operation system in the world. comming to N900 soon. |
| 21:46.40 | infobot | ...but plan9 is already something else... |
| 21:46.49 | ZogG | ~plan9 |
| 21:46.50 | infobot | well, plan9 is the plan9 operating systen from bell labs I will not be using Plan 9 in the creation of weapons of mass destruction to be used by nations other than the US. and http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ |
| 21:46.52 | PhonicUK | Plan9 from Bell Labs? |
| 21:47.01 | PhonicUK | lol |
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| 21:47.11 | ZogG | ~haiku |
| 21:47.12 | infobot | here in this channel / we write very bad haiku / readers all go mad |
| 21:47.21 | PhonicUK | haiku OS is cool |
| 21:47.23 | PhonicUK | as is AROS |
| 21:47.30 | PhonicUK | AROS is scarily quick on real hardware |
| 21:47.52 | ZogG | i heard haiku runs on really really low performance hw |
| 21:48.07 | ZogG | it would fly on n900 i assume |
| 21:48.13 | bleeter | lol plan 9 |
| 21:48.14 | javispedro | I heard Haiku runs. |
| 21:48.19 | bleeter | you guys should ctcp version me >< |
| 21:48.29 | PhonicUK | I also tried BeOS 5 Personal Edition on real hardware |
| 21:48.32 | *** part/#maemo mardi (~mardi@nat/ibm/x-dmjwzkewhkcvgche) |
| 21:48.33 | PhonicUK | 350MHz AMD K6-2 |
| 21:48.37 | PhonicUK | it was really quick |
| 21:48.37 | ZogG | bleeter, are you kidding? plan9? |
| 21:48.51 | bleeter | ctcp_version_reply = "mIRC on C= Vic20 running Plan9"; |
| 21:49.02 | ptl | [18:48:54] CTCP VERSION reply from bleader [~bleader@teenapping.lalooz.com]: irssi v0.8.14 - running on NetBSD i386 |
| 21:49.09 | bleeter | ZogG: No, completely serious! ;) |
| 21:49.12 | ZogG | liar |
| 21:49.12 | ptl | random ctcp |
| 21:49.27 | skynets | guys is there a way to replace the n900 body |
| 21:49.33 | *** join/#maemo N900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 21:49.37 | skynets | and the screen without the lcd |
| 21:49.45 | bleeter | goes back to trying to sort out his app manager mess |
| 21:49.47 | ZogG | skynets, only M.D. House can do that |
| 21:49.54 | skynets | i dropped it and it slid down a hill for 20 minutes |
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| 21:50.04 | skynets | it looks like darkman |
| 21:50.17 | MohammadAG | ouch |
| 21:50.19 | skynets | M.D. house? |
| 21:50.32 | skynets | medical doctor? |
| 21:50.34 | bleeter | so when they say 1.2 on Wednesday, I guess they don't mean in Australia? :P |
| 21:50.39 | bleeter | now goes back to sleep |
| 21:50.41 | MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_%28TV_series%29 |
| 21:51.00 | MohammadAG | skynets, Mad Doctor would be more precise for him |
| 21:51.18 | skynets | does that mean no :/ |
| 21:51.30 | MohammadAG | you can replace the faceplate |
| 21:51.36 | MohammadAG | it's just a pain in the *** to do |
| 21:51.41 | MohammadAG | unless you have the screws |
| 21:51.49 | MohammadAG | then it should be easy |
| 21:52.03 | MohammadAG | just be careful not to f up the USB port when removing the mobo |
| 21:52.34 | MohammadAG | the service manuals should also help, http://rapidshare.com/files/314266032/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf |
| 21:53.01 | skynets | where can i find one for cheap? |
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| 21:53.20 | ZogG | skynets check the ebay |
| 21:53.56 | ptl | skynets: there are some messages on talk.maemo.org about it |
| 21:53.56 | skynets | http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-For-Nokia-N900-Full-Housing-Fascia-Facia-pearlBlack_W0QQitemZ270582749425QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item3efffd18f1 |
| 21:54.05 | ptl | skynets: search the forums and you'll find some good advices |
| 21:54.12 | MohammadAG | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900 |
| 21:54.24 | skynets | alright thanks |
| 21:54.54 | MohammadAG | full housing for 8 bucks?! |
| 21:55.24 | skynets | yeah |
| 21:55.28 | MohammadAG | that's either an epic price, or a fake |
| 21:55.30 | skynets | im seeing others for 20 |
| 21:55.36 | skynets | http://shop.ebay.ca/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=n900+housing&_sacat=See-All-Categories |
| 21:55.38 | skynets | check here |
| 21:55.45 | skynets | there are tons for under 30 bucks |
| 21:55.48 | skynets | even white ones |
| 21:55.55 | skynets | like the full set |
| 21:56.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | strongly discourraged by M.D. Scrutinizer (who's done that) |
| 21:56.28 | heffer | i used to work in a nokia repair shop here in germany. the spare parts prices directly from nokias distributors are around 4-13⬠for a full housing |
| 21:56.39 | heffer | dunno what the price on a n900 housing would be though |
| 21:57.00 | MohammadAG | listen to DocScrutinizer51, he knows his **** :P |
| 21:57.10 | ptl | A white N900 seems like a doctor wearing all black, it's just wrong |
| 21:57.33 | Khertan | hum does there is particular thing to do skype video call ? |
| 21:57.33 | javispedro | well, you can also use a white theme and call it n900 angelical edition or something |
| 21:57.40 | Khertan | i didn't see anything about it |
| 21:57.50 | javispedro | has seen jingle video call at least |
| 21:57.50 | ptl | I do use iStyle Lightphone :) |
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| 21:57.58 | javispedro | er.. |
| 21:58.01 | ohwhyme | my n900 just died on me :o |
| 21:58.03 | javispedro | s/jingle/google talk |
| 21:58.29 | MohammadAG | lol what a typo |
| 21:58.30 | ZogG | New Housing Fascias Cover For Nokia N900 Black+Pen+TL |
| 21:58.31 | ZogG | Location: Hong Kong |
| 21:58.31 | ZogG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.31 | ZogG | Feedback: 7,947 | 99.5% |
| 21:58.31 | ZogG | C $10.59+C $7.41 |
| 21:58.34 | ZogG | oooops |
| 21:58.35 | javispedro | ponders trying n8x0 <-> n900 video call.... hm... can I video call a specific JID resource? |
| 21:58.36 | heffer | ohwhyme, things happen |
| 21:58.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | heffer: you'd accept orders? |
| 21:58.42 | skynets | i hope the n900 isnt as crazy to open as the iphone :/ |
| 21:58.53 | ohwhyme | true i have no warranty so im not sure what to do |
| 21:58.55 | MohammadAG | no, the N900 actually has screws |
| 21:58.58 | heffer | DocScrutinizer51, i can't as i stopped working there around 2005 |
| 21:58.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | err like in 'I order a stylus' |
| 21:59.06 | Milhouse | ohwhyme: I wonder who would get another N900 if theirs were to die right now. |
| 21:59.08 | MohammadAG | however *waits for DocScrutinizer51 to say something about the ribbon* |
| 21:59.30 | Milhouse | ohwhyme: Android 2.2 looks nice. |
| 21:59.31 | ohwhyme | haha well theres no screen but tv out works |
| 21:59.34 | MohammadAG | ohwhyme, how did it die... |
| 21:59.38 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 21:59.47 | MohammadAG | Could be the ribbon |
| 21:59.48 | ohwhyme | well it lights up with two horizontal lines in the middle |
| 21:59.49 | ptl | Milhouse: I think I'd do it :/ |
| 21:59.55 | ptl | and I am not proud about it |
| 22:00.11 | Milhouse | ptl: lol. not sure I would - too much grief. |
| 22:00.14 | ohwhyme | tried to clean the ribbon and reseat it but still nothing |
| 22:00.27 | ptl | but once I got used to a Linux phone, sorry, there's no turning back, even if it is to be treated like Nokia treats their customers. |
| 22:00.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | just says "don't mess with your N900 mechanically unless your're prepared to o major repair" |
| 22:00.40 | Milhouse | ptl: you're new round here, right? ;) |
| 22:00.47 | Arkenoi | played with milestone a bit. i wish n900 present such solid feeling :-( |
| 22:00.50 | ZogG | NOKIA BH-505 STEREO BLUETOOTH HEADSET looks nice |
| 22:01.08 | ptl | Milhouse: no, and I think I've been flaming here and on tmo long enough... |
| 22:01.22 | Milhouse | ptl: Nokia will knock it out of you in the end |
| 22:01.33 | ptl | ZogG: that's because it's in all caps, if it were in lowercase it would look much worse |
| 22:01.34 | ohwhyme | anyone know if the n900 ribbon is replacable? |
| 22:01.45 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: Spray it with wd40. |
| 22:01.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, most probably |
| 22:01.55 | Milhouse | ohwyme: which cable, the once connected to the LCD panel? probably need to replace the panel. |
| 22:02.00 | ptl | Milhouse: I long for Meego devices from other manufacturers. |
| 22:02.12 | SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: It will temporarily restore the black, though you may get the paper a bit greasy. |
| 22:02.16 | PhonicUK | there is no tetris game! :O |
| 22:02.18 | PhonicUK | i must make one |
| 22:02.39 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, but there is |
| 22:02.43 | MohammadAG | gtk tetris |
| 22:02.46 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, requested it |
| 22:02.54 | MohammadAG | I couldn't be ****d to fix it |
| 22:02.56 | PhonicUK | i cant find it in "games" searching for tetris |
| 22:02.57 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 22:02.59 | MohammadAG | but it works |
| 22:03.02 | PhonicUK | i want to make a tetris game using SDL |
| 22:03.04 | MohammadAG | gtkTetris |
| 22:03.07 | ohwhyme | bah do i need a touchscreen or the panel? People sell it separately. The touchscreen works fine when I use it on tv out? |
| 22:03.24 | ZogG | ptl ) |
| 22:03.26 | ZogG | night |
| 22:03.33 | MohammadAG | ZogG, how much? |
| 22:03.38 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ - driven by the accel |
| 22:03.48 | MohammadAG | (BH-505) |
| 22:03.49 | ZogG | MohammadAG about 60 $ |
| 22:03.55 | ZogG | but they look cool |
| 22:03.58 | MohammadAG | in IL? |
| 22:04.03 | ptl | what is this "Eve" stuff? |
| 22:04.07 | ZogG | nope - ebay |
| 22:04.08 | PhonicUK | awesome |
| 22:04.11 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 22:04.32 | ZogG | MohammadAG go to dimphone and ask what you can order |
| 22:04.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: lol ++ |
| 22:04.51 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it has a bit of a disadvantage though |
| 22:05.00 | MohammadAG | you can't carry it in a pocket |
| 22:05.01 | Milhouse | ptl: Me too, the Nokia apps let down the devices. |
| 22:05.07 | ZogG | i'm not gonna but anything for now |
| 22:05.17 | ZogG | MohammadAG you carry it on neck |
| 22:05.38 | MohammadAG | ZogG, looks kind of weird at school don't you think |
| 22:06.14 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.22 | javispedro | counts µs |
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| 22:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-25 23:32:33] <user_> go suck a cock fanboi |
| 22:08.00 | MohammadAG | err |
| 22:08.07 | ptl | how do I get this instant community app for the N900? |
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| 22:08.27 | javispedro | "instant community app"? |
| 22:08.35 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install community |
| 22:08.36 | javispedro | you add a bookmark to the 5 most idiot tmo topic |
| 22:08.38 | javispedro | s. |
| 22:08.52 | ptl | jabis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6bHggX6TD0 |
| 22:09.16 | javispedro | ah, yet another MANET reinvention |
| 22:09.23 | MohammadAG | do as SpeedEvil said |
| 22:09.26 | ptl | SpeedEvil: no such package |
| 22:09.26 | MohammadAG | then just add water |
| 22:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-26 00:08:34] [314] user_ ~user 64.134.237.3 * Unknown Unknown |
| 22:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-26 00:08:34] [Whois] user_ ist auf dem Server verne.freenode.net (Tue May 25 22:07:28 2010). |
| 22:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-26 00:08:34] [314] user_ ~user 64.134.237.3 * Unknown Unknown |
| 22:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-26 00:08:34] [Whois] user_ ist auf dem Server anthony.freenode.net (Tue May 25 21:35:03 2010). |
| 22:09.34 | ZogG_N900 | just logged in to say. b&w theme is scewed for ukbrd and i hate default theme 'cause of yellow notifications |
| 22:09.39 | SpeedEvil | ptl: That's been the problem all the time. |
| 22:10.10 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, from the US |
| 22:10.28 | ptl | btw, is there a widget that does lyrics in a capable way on the N900? Tunewiki just doesn't and it is closed-source. |
| 22:11.06 | asj | ptl: yes |
| 22:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | happy nmaping |
| 22:11.16 | ptl | asj: which one? |
| 22:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:11.22 | ptl | I'd like to read lyrics as I drive |
| 22:11.31 | thunderfest | javispedro: well I have my apt good and mangled I can install and run neheGLES and my own gles code but I have a feeling that if I power down the device it will not come back on ... as I had to remove a bunch of new qt stuff |
| 22:11.33 | asj | ptl: and text at the same time? |
| 22:11.39 | asj | while talking on the phone? |
| 22:11.47 | asj | ducks |
| 22:11.58 | ptl | asj: lol, if I am going to die, I want to die while having fun |
| 22:12.07 | javispedro | thunderfest: I know what you did. Your device will come back, but when the stuff is officially released you might need to reflash. |
| 22:12.11 | asj | ptl: there's something, try google ;) |
| 22:12.12 | javispedro | thunderfest: either way backup. |
| 22:12.23 | thunderfest | can you give me a link to where the bug report was filed so I can follow its progress |
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| 22:13.07 | javispedro | bug #6816 |
| 22:13.08 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6816 OpenGL ES 1.1 should be supported |
| 22:13.35 | thunderfest | thanks |
| 22:14.04 | ptl | asj: I was kidding, I tried google, really, and also tmo, found nothing that I recall now |
| 22:14.29 | ptl | asj: GPE audio player is not a widget and it didn't work well here |
| 22:14.31 | asj | ptl: huh, I thought I saw something, maybe one of the media players had it, or some widget |
| 22:14.42 | ptl | asj: the widget was tunewiki, I guess |
| 22:15.00 | ptl | which is closed-source, that I try to avoid, and also is not thatr good. |
| 22:15.02 | MohammadAG | tunewiki-smp? |
| 22:15.30 | ptl | I don't think that adding Simultaneous Multiprocessing to tunewiki would make it better |
| 22:15.58 | ptl | [user@n900 user]% apt-cache search tunewiki tunewiki-community - Tunewiki media player tunewiki-applet - Watch lyrics on your device desktop while listening to music. |
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| 22:17.04 | asj | lol, I have to many n900s =) |
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| 22:17.26 | asj | tries to make sure they are all in silent mode |
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| 22:19.41 | thunderfest | javispedro: your right it did reboot...but now some pr1.2 changes are missing i.e. "more" button is back...browser rotate still seems to be working fine |
| 22:21.01 | louigiverona | guysoft42, is there a way to auto align or tie shortcuts to grid on N900 desktop? |
| 22:21.20 | louigiverona | guysoft42, is there a way to auto align or tie shortcuts to grid on N900 desktop? |
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| 22:21.40 | alterego | louigiverona: they already do, it's jus tthe grid is small. |
| 22:21.48 | ptl | louigiverona: use the tweakr application |
| 22:22.03 | louigiverona | alterego thx |
| 22:22.05 | guysoft42 | louigiverona, i JUST walked in to my room, after not being in it all day, to hear a 'ding' from my X-chat client |
| 22:22.22 | guysoft42 | but er - i dont have a N900, only a N810.. would like one, but dont have the money |
| 22:22.32 | louigiverona | guysoft42 i actually wrote 'guys' |
| 22:22.45 | guysoft42 | louigiverona, you must have added a tap :) |
| 22:22.46 | guysoft42 | dab* |
| 22:22.50 | guysoft42 | tab*.. |
| 22:22.58 | louigiverona | nope |
| 22:23.04 | louigiverona | i rechecked |
| 22:23.10 | ptl | louigiverona: tweakr allows you a larger grid |
| 22:23.18 | louigiverona | that's why there was a double post |
| 22:23.22 | SpeedEvil | so does vi |
| 22:23.34 | louigiverona | ptl thx is it in the repos? |
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| 22:23.44 | ptl | louigiverona: yes, it is :) |
| 22:24.01 | louigiverona | thx a lot, will try it out |
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| 22:24.23 | lardman|home | bbiam |
| 22:24.56 | louigiverona | how to press Tab in XChat btw? |
| 22:25.05 | thunderfest | it seems stupid for nokia to release a major os update during the last few weeks of its annual major development contest. |
| 22:25.28 | louigiverona | uncoordinated |
| 22:25.43 | louigiverona | one team did that, the other this |
| 22:26.03 | SpeedEvil | louigiverona: IIRC the default setting is shift space. |
| 22:26.12 | SpeedEvil | louigiverona: I prefer shift-rightarrow |
| 22:26.50 | louigiverona | SpeedEvil, thx space worked |
| 22:29.22 | ljp | thunderfest: thats what happens when releases are delayed |
| 22:30.16 | ptl | is titan's kernel compatible with PR1.2? |
| 22:31.16 | Funnyfacemob | is it officially out? |
| 22:31.36 | *** part/#maemo louigiverona (~user@chello084112163185.13.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 22:31.39 | javispedro | noooooooooooo now you've delayed it one extra week. |
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| 22:32.07 | thunderfest | well I've been busy making some sweet new games for the ovi store but until OpenGL ES 1.1 is fixed on pr1.2 they will have to be pr1.1 only |
| 22:32.35 | javispedro | thunderfest: indeed in this case I suggest you to downgrande |
| 22:32.51 | javispedro | thunderfest: vote for the bug (hit the "vote for this bug" link) |
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| 22:34.55 | ptl | Funnyfacemob: it is out, it's all around the place, didn't you see the N900 blogs? |
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| 22:35.15 | ptl | Funnyfacemob: OTA updates for the global and US firmware will be released tomorrow though |
| 22:35.15 | Funnyfacemob | ptl: not yet, :P |
| 22:35.25 | ptl | Funnyfacemob: but you can upgrade using flasher already |
| 22:35.31 | javispedro | well it's on this channel's topic... |
| 22:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | tomorrow which TZ, btw? |
| 22:36.03 | Funnyfacemob | well, I haven't checked the news today so :P |
| 22:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | 0:00 Akamei |
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| 22:36.29 | Funnyfacemob | will see what happens tomorrow then |
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| 22:37.10 | PhonicUK | is the perl package optified? |
| 22:37.39 | lardman|home | ~curse SMB1 problems that prevent my Linux system from booting |
| 22:37.40 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, SMB1 problems that prevent my Linux system from booting ! |
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| 22:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | just because it's so funny |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 22:37.54 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 22:38.05 | ptl | ~flashing |
| 22:38.06 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:38.10 | ptl | ~42 |
| 22:38.11 | infobot | well, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
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| 22:38.20 | ptl | PR1.2 == 42 |
| 22:38.29 | lardman|home | goes to try again |
| 22:38.33 | PhonicUK | ~deadbeef |
| 22:38.33 | infobot | moooooo! |
| 22:38.42 | PhonicUK | lol |
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| 22:39.37 | PhonicUK | has anyone installed frozen bubble? |
| 22:40.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:40.18 | Funnyfacemob | "video in skype and google talk" yay :D |
| 22:40.21 | SpeedEvil | It diddn't work |
| 22:40.21 | SpeedEvil | actually |
| 22:40.25 | SpeedEvil | it did |
| 22:40.27 | SpeedEvil | but it was a bit jerky |
| 22:40.40 | SpeedEvil | and the controls were meh. |
| 22:40.52 | Funnyfacemob | I wonder which camera it uses :> |
| 22:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyfacemob: but skype still doesn't support stuttering |
| 22:41.04 | PhonicUK | i tried it in a debian chroot |
| 22:41.11 | PhonicUK | worked really well |
| 22:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyfacemob: or was it like it actually does ? ;-P |
| 22:41.21 | PhonicUK | but not outside of that |
| 22:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | now I got it, skype transmits stuttering |
| 22:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | so everything fine XP |
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| 22:51.34 | pwnguin | so here's a grim question: is there going to be a 1.3? |
| 22:51.48 | javispedro | when is pr 1.3 going to be released? |
| 22:52.01 | pwnguin | jinx |
| 22:52.05 | lbt | javispedro: well, that's +2 days |
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| 22:57.02 | happyblob | offtopic but just curious as to what anyone here makes of this- http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/zte-packs-3g-maemo-into-its-v7-mid/ Is that fremantle or older? |
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| 22:59.52 | pwnguin | kinda looks like maemo5 |
| 23:01.01 | happyblob | looks slightly tempting if it actually is.. and if it comes out at a reasonable price |
| 23:01.14 | pwnguin | oh dont worry |
| 23:01.20 | pwnguin | i doubt it will ever leave china |
| 23:01.44 | SpeedEvil | Wow! How can I live without the calendar app. |
| 23:01.53 | happyblob | licensing? or just.. plain too weird? |
| 23:01.58 | pwnguin | licensing |
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| 23:03.02 | pwnguin | i can buy all kinds of plain too wierd stuff from dealextreme |
| 23:03.13 | SpeedEvil | pwnguin: DX sell a n900 too. |
| 23:03.21 | pwnguin | heh |
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| 23:03.24 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: that dual SIM one ? :P |
| 23:03.27 | pwnguin | i just looked at it |
| 23:03.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:03.36 | pwnguin | they sell iFhones |
| 23:03.40 | SpeedEvil | Dual SIM is actually a feature I might like. |
| 23:03.51 | pigeon | dual sim n900? |
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| 23:04.05 | Ikarus | pigeon: it's a chinese copy of the N900 |
| 23:04.11 | pigeon | ah |
| 23:04.23 | thunderfest | javispedro: scratchbox wants to update some of its lib (like libgles1-sgx-img-dev) ... do you think updating scratchbox and then recompiling any opengl es 1..1 app will solve the problem ...or do you think that if I update my scratchbox right now I will then not be able to produce opengles 1 binaries for nigher pr1.1 or pr1.2 |
| 23:04.29 | Ikarus | pigeon: including fake Nokia logo, wrong battery and wrong OS ofcourse |
| 23:04.32 | pwnguin | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 |
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| 23:04.44 | pwnguin | completely bogus |
| 23:04.45 | jaem | Heyo... has anyone fiddled with the wlantool package from here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635#c107 ? |
| 23:04.46 | povbot` | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth |
| 23:04.49 | pigeon | you just made me jumped a bit :) |
| 23:05.00 | Ikarus | pwnguin: there is a better one |
| 23:05.08 | pigeon | ah, not maemo then? |
| 23:05.16 | ptl | aw :| still no LEAP support |
| 23:05.20 | javispedro | thunderfest: upgrading your scratchbox shoouldn't break anything nor fix anything... |
| 23:05.29 | pwnguin | speaking of wifi and roaming |
| 23:05.50 | pwnguin | is it possible to set up a campus wifi network so that you can seamlessly wander without dropping connections? |
| 23:05.58 | Ikarus | pwnguin: yes |
| 23:06.05 | pigeon | nice price too |
| 23:06.05 | Ikarus | pwnguin: just setup the same ESSID on all the APs |
| 23:06.21 | Ikarus | pwnguin: though if you are using WPA2 you need some extras, else hand offs take quite long |
| 23:06.29 | thunderfest | seems like at least part of the problem is that libgles1-sgx-img has its dependencies hard coded |
| 23:06.31 | pwnguin | Ikarus: seems like every time i wander between APs here, it drops me and asks for my username/password again |
| 23:06.45 | Ikarus | pwnguin: yes, then they didn't setup proper WPA2 roaming |
| 23:06.57 | Ikarus | pwnguin: the APs need to share crypto session information for that to work |
| 23:07.02 | bleeter | pwnguin: you might want to look in to WDS |
| 23:07.06 | Ikarus | bleeter: uh, no |
| 23:07.14 | javispedro | thunderfest: no, the issue is that they forgot to update it. has happened in the past. possibly didn't even pass certification. |
| 23:07.30 | bleeter | Ikarus: i must've misunderstood. damn my lack of coffee! |
| 23:07.36 | pwnguin | well then |
| 23:07.37 | Ikarus | bleeter: WDS is absolutely shit for heavy used networks |
| 23:07.43 | pwnguin | next networking question |
| 23:07.50 | Ikarus | bleeter: any campus network can use a fixed ethernet backbone |
| 23:08.07 | pwnguin | we have some goofy cisco sign in page that authenticates people against LDAP |
| 23:08.15 | Ikarus | pwnguin: *shudder* WHY |
| 23:08.19 | thunderfest | ah well I hope its update before pr1.3 |
| 23:08.24 | Ikarus | they could do that with WPA2 |
| 23:08.38 | pwnguin | not all devices support wpa2 |
| 23:08.44 | Ikarus | pwnguin: their problem |
| 23:08.51 | Dima202 | I can't believe it I made a backup using n900 backup util. after saving backup to pic |
| 23:08.52 | pwnguin | yes, it is the college's problem |
| 23:08.52 | bleeter | Ikarus: campus here is cheap as shit, that's why they're using WDS I guess |
| 23:08.55 | Ikarus | older security systems are broken anyway |
| 23:08.58 | Dima202 | pc* |
| 23:09.12 | Ikarus | you might aswell use full open wifi if you can't use WPA2 |
| 23:09.24 | pwnguin | i think there are some advantages |
| 23:09.30 | pwnguin | we have fewer wifi leeches |
| 23:09.50 | tank-man | windows without bars on houses are useless too? :) |
| 23:09.59 | pwnguin | but im just wondering, the captive gateway is 1.1.1.1 |
| 23:10.09 | pwnguin | and it has a self signed cert |
| 23:10.41 | Ikarus | tank-man: they are if the neighbours all have bars and you have delicious cookies on the table |
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| 23:11.01 | pwnguin | im wondering if there's a way to get it signed so that passwords might not be stolen |
| 23:11.11 | pwnguin | but it sounds like the answer is wpa2 |
| 23:11.11 | tank-man | heh |
| 23:11.39 | pwnguin | Ikarus: there's plenty of free wifi in town |
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| 23:11.59 | pwnguin | librarys, sandwich shops, starbucks |
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| 23:17.45 | noobmonk3y | waves gn'ite |
| 23:18.01 | noobmonk3y | kicks frals in the shins n runs out |
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| 23:31.18 | jaem | When are the council elections closing? |
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| 23:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | anybody knows sarahn on IRC? |
| 23:34.18 | Dima202 | !seen sarahn |
| 23:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen sarahn |
| 23:34.43 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'sarahn' |
| 23:34.43 | Dima202 | no bots here? |
| 23:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | shrug |
| 23:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: relax |
| 23:35.57 | Dima202 | I recently found tron in one of the repos.. that game is narly |
| 23:36.17 | Dima202 | gnarly* |
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| 23:36.25 | odin_ | where is the Quake (1 2 or 3) download for N900 ? |
| 23:36.46 | Dima202 | extras testing i think |
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| 23:37.24 | Dima202 | not sure if they ported quake 3 yet |
| 23:37.34 | MohammadAG | ioquake3 |
| 23:39.40 | Dima202 | wow that's sick |
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| 23:45.06 | Alpha | Hello |
| 23:45.26 | Alpha | i have some questions about maemo |
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| 23:53.12 | csc` | 'lo |
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| 23:55.16 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.31 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lMk :-) |
| 23:55.41 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 23:56.00 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.32 | csc` | is it possible to switch the default user 'user' to something else in maemo without extensive configuration changes or random things breaking? |
| 23:56.43 | luke-jr | no |
| 23:57.06 | csc` | didnt think so, but id assume because maemo is debian based, i can create new users, correct? |
| 23:57.25 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 out, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EAqHx2lMk :-) |
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