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| 00:24.56 | SpeedEvil | random - anyone happen to know of a fork of get_iplayer? |
| 00:27.20 | midoubleko | is the nokia 770 able to run the latest versions of maemo? |
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| 00:31.16 | GAN900 | No |
| 00:31.49 | midoubleko | thought so |
| 00:32.19 | GAN900 | No GPU |
| 00:32.44 | midoubleko | I was a late early adopter... it's been obsolete since I got it. lots of fun though |
| 00:34.11 | SpeedEvil | You could VNC to a n900 running it I suppose :) |
| 00:34.24 | midoubleko | lol |
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| 00:44.11 | jacekowski | does n900 support upnp? |
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| 00:49.54 | GAN900 | Yes |
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| 01:15.23 | Termana | good morning |
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| 01:31.07 | njsf_ | Termana: morning |
| 01:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
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| 02:04.52 | midoubleko | christ, it is morning and I'm still up... |
| 02:10.28 | SpeedEvil | "" |
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| 02:22.51 | SpeedEvil | Is it permissable to distribute software that - for example - screws with the statusbar widgets - say to replace the GPS indicator |
| 02:23.34 | SpeedEvil | I mean to extras |
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| 02:32.24 | SpeedEvil | Can i start two fbreaders at once? |
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| 03:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | good night |
| 03:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | and |
| 03:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~hail javispedro |
| 03:08.13 | infobot | ACTION bows down to javispedro and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 04:06.51 | Funnyface | I wonder, what are the chances of getting android stuff to run on maemo? |
| 04:08.28 | ham5 | its another os what are the chances of gettin linux source to compile on windows |
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| 04:09.36 | microlith | Funnyface: slim to none, short of porting dalvik and whatnot over and massive modifications to the framebuffer stuff |
| 04:09.37 | Funnyface | I know, but in this case both are linux |
| 04:09.45 | microlith | Funnyface: Android is not Linux |
| 04:10.13 | Funnyface | well it is, but I believe it is horribly modified? :> |
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| 04:10.45 | microlith | no, just that the kernel and environment outside that provided by Android is completely irrelevant in the android system |
| 04:12.04 | Funnyface | alright, well I was thinking of something similar to "Easy debian" on maemo, just using android instead :p |
| 04:12.14 | microlith | it wouldn't be anywhere near as straightforward |
| 04:12.47 | microlith | first you have kernel modifications to apply, then the whole framebuffer/rendering rework |
| 04:13.10 | microlith | easydebian works because maemo is a standard linux environment |
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| 04:13.52 | Funnyface | ok, well I was hoping that android would be kind of the same thing |
| 04:14.15 | Funnyface | but my experience with android is limited to a buggy port I ran on a winmo device :p |
| 04:14.23 | microlith | ha |
| 04:15.29 | microlith | speaking of easy debian, I unchecked "let <whatever> manage the desktop" and now I have no clue where to re-enable it |
| 04:18.25 | Funnyface | ah well, at least it's good that we have debian's repositories as well for our maemo devices :p |
| 04:18.45 | microlith | yup |
| 04:19.07 | Funnyface | (though I wouldn't mind having android's app database as well :p) |
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| 04:28.31 | RST38h | yahoo |
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| 04:29.17 | derf | mmoooooo00000000000000000oooo00000oooooooooooooooo0o0o |
| 04:29.31 | RST38h | heya derf |
| 04:33.16 | Termana | Funnyface, when DJ_Steve finishes porting Android over to the n900, you can run Android and then run Maemo and Debian apps inside of Android |
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| 04:35.39 | microlith | Termana: there's an X server for Android? |
| 04:36.53 | Termana | microlith, you can chroot into Debian/Maemo from Android and start an X server within the chroot, and a VNC Server and then use an Android VNC client |
| 04:37.02 | microlith | hmm |
| 04:37.04 | microlith | I suppose that works |
| 04:37.32 | Termana | microlith, confirmed working for other natively Android devices, I see no reason for it not to work in the n900 Android port :) |
| 04:37.53 | microlith | well, I meant in the sense of having to work around android's proprietary framebuffer setup |
| 04:37.59 | Termana | I'm not completely sure about Maemo apps etc. but Debian definitely. |
| 04:38.55 | Termana | For starters, I think your using the wrong word there. Android's framebuffer setup is not proprietary. |
| 04:39.03 | microlith | nothing but android uses it |
| 04:39.27 | microlith | sure it's open source, but that doesn't make it not exclusive to android |
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| 04:40.30 | RST38h | Ah, fresh load of FUD on t.m.o! |
| 04:40.31 | Termana | That doesn't make it PROPRIETARY |
| 04:40.45 | microlith | Termana: proprietary does not have a single definition |
| 04:41.42 | microlith | or rather, it does not exclusively refer to closed source software |
| 04:41.55 | Stskeeps | open doesn't have a single definition either |
| 04:41.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 04:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~ff |
| 04:42.45 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android |
| 04:43.22 | Termana | microlith, I'd be interested to see what definition your trying to use - AFAIK, when you talk about it being proprietary in the sense your trying to use it has to be covered by property rights such as patents and trade secrets |
| 04:43.32 | microlith | no |
| 04:43.42 | microlith | that's not the definition of proprietary |
| 04:43.58 | microlith | my point is that in the whole of the Linux ecosystem, the setup Android is using is exclusive to Android |
| 04:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict proprietary |
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| 04:44.15 | Termana | microlith, read here http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proprietary - point to definition that fits for your purposes |
| 04:44.37 | microlith | yay let's bitch about semantics and ignore the fact that Android does not use X11 like every other linux distribution |
| 04:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | andoid is NO linux |
| 04:45.15 | microlith | I know that |
| 04:45.42 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, Thats misrepresenting things |
| 04:45.48 | Termana | Android clearly is Linux |
| 04:45.55 | microlith | Termana: it runs -on- linux |
| 04:45.56 | Termana | It doesn't use a GNU stack |
| 04:46.01 | microlith | it could just as well run on Symbian |
| 04:47.02 | Termana | microlith, but it makes it *no less* LINUX. If it used the Symbian kernel you would say it uses the Symbian kernel, you don't call it not symbian. |
| 04:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | it could neither run on linux nor on Symbian. It needs quite some tweaks in low level system stuff that renders it incompatible to any other system |
| 04:48.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, If someone has forked the Linux kernel, hmm lets say... like Nokia has for instance. Is Maemo no longer running on Linux? |
| 04:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | i'd say the kernel abi is so compatible we don't need to rewrite every single app we want to compile for maemo |
| 04:49.42 | microlith | if you wanna get stallman level nitpicky, then the answer is "Android is not GNU/X11/GTK2/etc. Linux" |
| 04:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | so for me maemo IS a linux |
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| 04:50.14 | ZogG_N900 | hey |
| 04:50.29 | ZogG_N900 | so i have android update on laptop |
| 04:50.29 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, you'll find Kernel ABI is left in tact. Busybox compiles fine for Android for example |
| 04:50.45 | ZogG_N900 | trying to find out where is flash in there? |
| 04:50.55 | ZogG_N900 | is it intigrated? |
| 04:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: hmm, I can just repeat what I've heard as I never looked into that. And what I heard is porting device drivers *from* Android *to* a "normal" linux is a major PITA |
| 04:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | as there are androidisms all over the place |
| 04:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | wich are hard to adapt for a standard system |
| 04:52.43 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, This last statement is an actually correct one. |
| 04:52.46 | RST38h | which is unusual |
| 04:53.01 | Termana | Drivers need to use Android's power management scheme, which is in the kernel |
| 04:53.04 | RST38h | if Android uses a Linux kernel (and it does), why would it use non-linux drivers? |
| 04:53.26 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, HOWEVER, Wakelocks or as they are now called Suspend Blockers HAVE made it mainline |
| 04:53.43 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, So for the most part, the driver issue is gone |
| 04:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | good, I'm always willing to change my notions |
| 04:54.13 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, However, it is also good to note, an Android kernel will work fine with a standard GNU stack |
| 04:54.24 | ZogG_N900 | so is flash there are lib or something |
| 04:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, night #maemo |
| 04:55.20 | Termana | Good night Doc |
| 04:55.48 | Termana | ZogG_N900, Maybe its better to ask in an Android channel? What laptop are you using that has Android on it? |
| 04:56.00 | ZogG_N900 | no |
| 04:56.06 | ZogG_N900 | i use ubuntu |
| 04:56.19 | Termana | <ZogG_N900> so i have android update on laptop |
| 04:56.34 | Termana | Maybe I misinterpreted this :P |
| 04:56.58 | RST38h | Nokia's New York flagship store closes today |
| 04:57.04 | ZogG_N900 | yeah |
| 04:57.05 | ZogG_N900 | files |
| 04:57.05 | ZogG_N900 | i wanted to get flash out there for maemo ) |
| 04:57.05 | ZogG_N900 | so i'm asking here |
| 04:57.25 | microlith | android build probably won't work with maemo |
| 04:57.58 | Termana | ZogG_N900, as microlith said, its very doubtful you will be able to simply transfer it straight over to Maemo |
| 04:58.20 | ZogG_N900 | anyway worth a try |
| 04:58.31 | microlith | the terrible irony in this is that an N900 release would probably be easier |
| 04:58.34 | ZogG_N900 | can't find any libs anyway ( |
| 04:58.50 | Termana | Also, I don't know weather they built the flash player code into the browser app, or they have made it a plugin like normal |
| 04:58.59 | microlith | plugin |
| 04:59.33 | microlith | at least, if it's in the stock android drops |
| 04:59.38 | ZogG_N900 | still can't find |
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| 05:04.13 | Termana | ZogG_N900, do a full find and a grep inside the update for "flash" |
| 05:04.28 | Termana | Assuming they named it something obvious and/or put the word flash in some readable file |
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| 05:15.11 | timeless_mbp | flash is a proper plugin on maemo |
| 05:15.18 | timeless_mbp | minus the fact that it talks to os libraries |
| 05:15.37 | timeless_mbp | you can use it w/ e.g. fennec if you configure fennec to use plugins |
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| 05:16.38 | Stskeeps | same plugin architecture? |
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| 05:18.29 | timeless_mbp | npapi = npapi = npapi |
| 05:18.30 | timeless_mbp | usually |
| 05:18.35 | timeless_mbp | except when it cheats |
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| 05:23.02 | Termana | timeless_mbp, I was actually talking about on Android, I suspected already that is was a plugin on Maemo :P |
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| 05:30.41 | manjiri | Hi guys. |
| 05:30.58 | manjiri | Hw do I get harmattan UI framework on N900? |
| 05:31.17 | manjiri | I am not able to compile it in my scratchbox either. |
| 05:43.30 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 05:43.35 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 05:43.42 | timeless_mbp | making it not a plugin would be incredibly stupid |
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| 06:03.52 | manjiri | Hi. How do I put maemo ui framework on N900? I am not able to compile it in my scratchbox either. |
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| 06:06.52 | mintux | ? |
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| 07:04.41 | ZogG_N900 | soooo |
| 07:06.14 | ZogG_N900 | does anyone know what the shazam or trackid use |
| 07:06.31 | ZogG_N900 | is it acoustic fingerprints |
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| 07:08.07 | ZogG_N900 | cause as i understand picasa uses it too. but it needs more than 10 sec |
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| 07:15.31 | ZogG_N900 | anyone |
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| 07:19.16 | wazd | seriously, who decided to put micro-usb port on the same side with phone speaker? :( |
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| 07:29.37 | Macer | damn i love my n900 |
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| 07:33.53 | Unksi | wazd: just my thoughts... :D |
| 07:34.09 | ZogG_N900 | wazd ++ |
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| 07:34.40 | plastun | Hello! How to hide title area in hildon.Dialog? dialog.set_tiltle('') makes title caption empty, but not hide this are :( |
| 07:34.42 | zomg | If it was a bit smaller and worked in portrait mode it would be perfect ;) |
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| 07:46.17 | hrw | morning |
| 07:46.42 | RST38h | morening |
| 07:47.41 | wazd | RST38h: plastun: moarning :) |
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| 07:48.07 | wazd | hrw: moarning too :) |
| 07:48.15 | plastun | wazd, morning! |
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| 07:49.01 | RST38h | wazd: How is suffering today? |
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| 07:49.31 | wazd | RST38h: downloaded 1st season of Fringe :) |
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| 07:50.31 | wazd | RST38h: pilot episode was pretty dramatic :D |
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| 07:51.35 | wazd | but seriously, charger on the top, what the hell... |
| 07:51.45 | elstupidos | fringe is one of the best shows on right now imo..it gets crazy |
| 07:51.56 | elstupidos | 2nd season just ended |
| 07:52.02 | wazd | elstupidos: oh, don't spoil for god sake :D |
| 07:52.06 | mece | it's cancelled. |
| 07:52.12 | mece | no wait |
| 07:52.13 | mece | sorry |
| 07:52.18 | mece | that was flash forward. |
| 07:52.20 | mece | nvr mind. |
| 07:52.26 | wazd | covers his ears and sings "nanananananana" |
| 07:52.31 | elstupidos | fringe was picked for a third season hehe |
| 07:52.37 | elstupidos | flashforward sucked |
| 07:53.01 | wazd | new masterpiece from JJ Abrams - "FlashKernel" |
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| 07:55.04 | wazd | also, I don't get the point of all that OTA updates if they still come packed twice a year |
| 07:55.41 | wazd | the whole thing was made to deliver quick fixes and improvements as I suppose |
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| 07:57.03 | crashanddie | elstupidos & mece: flash forward had one episode I absolutely loved, the one where they had to recap the whole of the first part of the season in one eppy. So the whole episode was in a kind of "previously on flash forward"-style. Scenes didn't last for more than 10 seconds, you had voiceovers to explain the holes in the story, it was absolutely bloody brilliant |
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| 07:57.33 | crashanddie | If only they'd done the whole show like that |
| 07:57.51 | elstupidos | the show started quick..then it just kinda dragged |
| 07:58.28 | akumar | Please any one suggest me how to Create Debian Packages for maemo5. |
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| 07:59.02 | akumar | I am flow step from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing |
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| 08:00.01 | crashanddie | They covered 6 months of pretty detailed life of a few dozen people, including initial premise, disruptive elements, and whatnot in less than 40 minutes, which kept me on the edge of my seat. |
| 08:00.13 | achipa | crashanddie: sounds like http://www.angryalien.com to me |
| 08:00.33 | crashanddie | elstupidos: the problem is that this kind of scenario is very dangerous. It's why Lost sucked (and still sucks) donkey balls |
| 08:00.46 | akumar | but it only install the package, but not showing double-click-launch-icon. |
| 08:00.53 | crashanddie | achipa: yeah, not too far fetched |
| 08:01.00 | elstupidos | crashanddie: lol about to start watching 1st season of lost |
| 08:01.09 | crashanddie | elstupidos: don't bother |
| 08:01.14 | elstupidos | everyone tells me its good heh |
| 08:01.21 | crashanddie | it's a piece of crap |
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| 08:01.32 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, Fringe is good |
| 08:01.42 | RST38h | wazd: A bit eclectic but good |
| 08:02.00 | Stskeeps | meh, it has spock, who cares if it's good ;) |
| 08:02.40 | RST38h | wazd: The Symbian updates work the same way as Maemo updates - they get marinated for bigger half of the year, then released, stuff becomes broken, and it is time to start waiting for the next update |
| 08:02.49 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Not any more, it does not |
| 08:02.52 | elstupidos | the actor that plays walter bishop in fringe makes the while show.. |
| 08:02.59 | crashanddie | I expected a whole lot more, but it's just like JJ Abrams quirkyness. It seems brilliant, until you scratch the surface and you go "ooh, meh" |
| 08:03.03 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Nimoy retired, so they promptly killed him last week |
| 08:03.19 | elstupidos | wazd: CLOSE YOUR EYES! |
| 08:03.39 | RST38h | crash <-- more or less correct, although it is still worth watching |
| 08:03.54 | crashanddie | first season is OK |
| 08:04.28 | crashanddie | after that, Seth McFarlane really summed it up: "List of things to never do in your life: Don't create a TV show about a bunch of people lost on an island if you don't know where you're going with it" |
| 08:06.01 | crashanddie | he then continued "I'm obviously talking about Desperate Housewives. Terry Hatcher, you're a beautiful woman please grow old without the facial reworkings. You're only allowed to have an exosqueleton if you're a beetle" |
| 08:06.23 | wazd | RST38h: well, the difference is that you need to reflash symbian phone each time |
| 08:06.46 | wazd | RST38h: and that was the main advantage of OTA updates as I thought |
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| 08:11.33 | jacekowski | tekojo: can you accept counternotice in e-mail or do you want me to use snailmail? |
| 08:12.49 | KA | ab[out]: |
| 08:12.57 | KA | sorry |
| 08:13.06 | mintux | I would like to replace two unusable character on physical keyboard by < and > characters (in english keyboard) . ho w can I do that ? is it possible ? |
| 08:13.53 | hrw | mintux: wiki.maemo.org has something about remapping |
| 08:14.03 | mintux | ok |
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| 08:16.29 | mece | I want pr1.2 to be released so I could unleash qlister upon the world... of maemo extras :) |
| 08:18.26 | Wolfie | i'm imagining there are a few people waiting for their works done with the IDE being compatible with the actual users |
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| 08:19.59 | mintux | is thinking about next nokia device with meego . if it doesn't work on n900 because he bought n900 just 1 week and new device is coming up |
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| 08:22.40 | achipa | mintux: there is not a single platform where you will not wonder 1 week later about the upcoming devices |
| 08:22.54 | achipa | unless your platform died, of course, in which case there is no upcoming device |
| 08:23.05 | mintux | hmm |
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| 08:25.26 | mintux | how can I see my maemo version? |
| 08:25.40 | achipa | settings->About |
| 08:25.43 | jacekowski | have you tried google? |
| 08:26.17 | mintux | ok |
| 08:27.36 | SuRfDeMoN | Hi, Just wondering if anyone here has a O2 iPhone sim in their Nokia N900? any problems with data usage not coming out of your contracted data plan? |
| 08:28.17 | mintux | I don't think so meego can install on n900 because meego build with nokia and intel together for support intel cpu too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo |
| 08:29.36 | mintux | but I see a lot of links for install meego on n900 ingoogle |
| 08:30.03 | Wolfie | mintux: well, maemo 5 does already support two architectures, ARMEL and x86... |
| 08:30.07 | MohammadAG | without a GUI, so why do you care |
| 08:30.29 | Wolfie | um, I mean ARM |
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| 08:31.14 | mintux | Wb MohammadAG |
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| 08:40.13 | achipa | mintux: the n900 is the reference ARM platform for MeeGo. If it doesn't install on that, it will not install on anything. |
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| 08:44.27 | mintux | hmm |
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| 09:13.42 | psycho_oreos | pardon my ignorance but are the PR1.2 stuff in the SDK repo? just wondering why there were packages held back when installing nokia-apps, etc.. i.e. in other words it should be safe to issue fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 09:14.04 | plastun | where I can find sources of File manager? |
| 09:15.23 | MohammadAG | isn't it closed |
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| 09:16.12 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, yes you can do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:16.17 | plastun | don't know exactly |
| 09:16.23 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, cool, ta |
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| 09:17.01 | mintux | I compiled a c++ program on my pc ( hello world ) and move it to n900 but it said bash: ./a.out: cannot execute binary file I know my pc is x86 and n900 is ARM now the question is how can I compile software on my pc that work on n900 ( or work on both of them ) |
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| 09:18.08 | BCMM | mintux: there is (at present) not a Linux binary format that works on multiple architechtures (apple has a format where two binaries are rolled into one file, however) |
| 09:18.33 | mintux | BCMM: so how can I compile on pc that work on n900 ? |
| 09:18.39 | inz | mintux, you can compile arm binaries using the scratchbox cross compilation thingmabob |
| 09:18.43 | BCMM | mintux: you just use a "cross compiler" |
| 09:18.48 | mintux | hmm |
| 09:18.52 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, what reason of multi-platform compiling? |
| 09:19.01 | BCMM | mintux: being, a compiler that runs on one architecture, but produces output for another |
| 09:19.10 | BCMM | mintux: i believe there is an official SDK for this sort of thing |
| 09:19.11 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, do you want to download 3/5 copies of app at time? |
| 09:19.34 | BCMM | mintux: also makes sure stuff gets compiled against the correct version of libc and what have you |
| 09:19.41 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i don't really agree with it |
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| 09:19.57 | inz | mintux, see http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/ |
| 09:20.07 | mintux | scratchbox is in extra-dev ? |
| 09:20.08 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: but apple did it so people could just ship one install file for powerpc and intel boxes |
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| 09:20.43 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: rather than try to explain to people that why they need different versions of things |
| 09:20.45 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, yes. Apple makes IPhones - very expensive photo frames with call functions - too =) |
| 09:21.19 | inz | Dima, and makes millions selling them ;) |
| 09:21.26 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i think it's about making sure users don't need to think about "technical details" like what kind of computer they bought |
| 09:21.37 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: personally, i like thinking about technical details :) |
| 09:21.52 | BCMM | inz: due to good advertising |
| 09:21.56 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, Yeah, let's include platform detector into program downloader |
| 09:22.24 | BCMM | plenty of people make millions selling boring fashion that's been done before |
| 09:23.13 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: anyway, they called them universal binaries |
| 09:23.37 | Dima_Sharihin | We can try cross-platform programming |
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| 09:23.56 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: it wasn't a completly brain-dead format; it was superiour to a tarball of several binaries in that that non-executable resources were not duplicated, i think |
| 09:24.06 | BCMM | kinda a brain-dead concept though |
| 09:24.07 | Dima_Sharihin | Something like .NET or Java(these examples are disasters) |
| 09:24.34 | BCMM | recently, somebody has been agitating for ubuntu to do implement something like universal binaries :( |
| 09:24.38 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: or bash :) |
| 09:24.48 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, I think it is seems to be true. But libraries are "heavy" too |
| 09:24.56 | Dima_Sharihin | =) |
| 09:24.58 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: ? |
| 09:26.19 | Dima_Sharihin | If we do not include duplicate files, size to download whatever will be large |
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| 09:27.01 | Dima_Sharihin | type du /usr/lib for example |
| 09:27.25 | Dima_Sharihin | and increase this value in 4-5 times |
| 09:27.28 | BCMM | mintux: anyway, it is basically much easier to compile for your own system, since it's easy for the build system to know what sort of processor and which version of various libs you have |
| 09:27.52 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: not sure i understand |
| 09:28.35 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, I'm sorry, my english is bad. |
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| 09:28.53 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i don't know if we're still talking about the universal binary concept or not... |
| 09:29.05 | Dima_Sharihin | For example, if we want to download "universal" distributive of linux... |
| 09:29.15 | Dima_Sharihin | still =) |
| 09:29.42 | Dima_Sharihin | typical size of x86 ubuntu disc is 700 MBytes |
| 09:29.43 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: well, every distro i've seen makes you choose install media appropriate for your system |
| 09:30.14 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: the user-friendly ones will give you instructions on how to determine your architechture |
| 09:30.27 | BCMM | which is no problem for me, really |
| 09:30.45 | Dima_Sharihin | Yes. user-friendly installer do not ask your architecture |
| 09:31.10 | Dima_Sharihin | It simply install necesseary version |
| 09:31.26 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: for a linux distro, you've already chosen the arch before you do the install |
| 09:31.58 | Dima_Sharihin | And on Apple? |
| 09:32.09 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: dunno much about apple |
| 09:32.26 | BCMM | never had any of their stuff other than an ipod |
| 09:32.29 | BCMM | and that runs ipodlinux |
| 09:32.56 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: but in general, they just ship universal binaries for applications |
| 09:33.07 | BCMM | i don't see the problem in asking people what arch they use |
| 09:33.18 | Dima_Sharihin | I'm too |
| 09:33.22 | BCMM | i mean, you can expect somebody to know if they need the windows or mac version of software |
| 09:33.45 | BCMM | and computers almost always make a big selling point of what sorta processor is in there |
| 09:34.50 | Dima_Sharihin | Windows and Mac differs not only the processor architecture |
| 09:35.00 | Dima_Sharihin | OS API differs too |
| 09:35.25 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: my point is that, in general, people ought to know what kind of computer they have |
| 09:35.46 | Dima_Sharihin | yes, of course |
| 09:37.45 | Mobsan | Is it possible to find change logs on updates to N900 apps? ex: MSN (Pecan) |
| 09:39.21 | merlin1991 | Mobsan: I'm wondering that often too :D |
| 09:39.53 | merlin1991 | sometimes there is a changelog on the package page, but not in the case of pecan msn |
| 09:40.37 | Mobsan | hmm :/ |
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| 09:42.54 | auenf | rofl, phone didnt start charging immediately after i connected to power cable |
| 09:43.21 | auenf | it was falling out of the wall |
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| 09:47.07 | loufoque_ | finally got a N900 (been waiting for it for months), anything I need to do to benefit from community packages? |
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| 09:47.19 | Mobsan | found this: http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/wiki/ToDo ... i have to wait for 0.3.0 or later before "Multiple Points of Presence" will be enabled :( |
| 09:47.30 | Stskeeps | loufoque_: upgrade to latest fw |
| 09:48.18 | auenf | Stskeeps, from what i can see, ive got newer than the latest fw |
| 09:48.19 | loufoque_ | Stskeeps: can I do that with the phone itself? |
| 09:48.31 | auenf | i can select 'English (Australia)' |
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| 09:48.34 | auenf | but its not PR1.2 |
| 09:48.35 | loufoque_ | Stskeeps: or do I need to flash it from a PC somehow |
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| 09:48.50 | Stskeeps | loufoque_: it should offer itself as an upgrade after a little while |
| 09:49.25 | Nils^ | my scratchbox failes to compile a simple hello world c prog because it cannot find stdio.h . I think my scratchbox is set up correctly, but obviously it is not. Is there a certain package that does contain stdio.h and which is not included by default? |
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| 09:52.31 | ag0ny | hello everybody |
| 09:52.44 | ag0ny | Is it possible to get ICQ running on Maemo 5 currently? |
| 09:52.52 | Dima_Sharihin | Ð_о |
| 09:52.56 | Dima_Sharihin | use Pidgin |
| 09:53.09 | Dima_Sharihin | ICQ supported on Maemo 5 by the default |
| 09:53.23 | ag0ny | I mean using the Conversations and so on |
| 09:53.37 | Myrtti | ICQ protocol is updated so often that I'm not surprised if it breaks and doesn't work |
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| 09:54.04 | Dima_Sharihin | I think jabber(gtalk) is better. But ICQ is working too |
| 09:54.23 | Dima_Sharihin | using Pidgin on notebook. Almost the same, that installed on maemo |
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| 09:55.44 | mintux | what is usbcontrol package ? |
| 09:56.16 | auenf | os2008 leftover? |
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| 09:58.28 | hrw | yes |
| 09:59.08 | hrw | ag0ny: it is possible but not granted that always will work |
| 09:59.13 | mintux | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 is map of physical keyboard ? |
| 09:59.31 | hrw | yes |
| 09:59.39 | Dima_Sharihin | and map of hardware keys of photo, +- vol etc |
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| 10:01.36 | crashanddie | ag0ny: install the pidgin protocols for conversations |
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| 10:01.42 | mintux | I just change euro sign to < and > on physical keyboard |
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| 10:02.12 | Dima_Sharihin | mintux, you can change arrow keys by the same way? |
| 10:02.29 | ag0ny | Thanks. I just installed the protocolls, got an error during installation but then it worked... |
| 10:02.30 | ag0ny | :) |
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| 10:03.41 | MohammadAG | Dima_Sharihin, yes |
| 10:03.52 | Dima_Sharihin | zer gut |
| 10:03.57 | MohammadAG | i have a pipe symbol mapped to one of them |
| 10:04.18 | loufoque_ | the time and date of my phone is wrong, shouldn't it be automatically set with NTP? |
| 10:04.37 | MohammadAG | is it set to update automatically? |
| 10:04.37 | wall[e] | i forget the way back to the usb host channel |
| 10:04.41 | Dima_Sharihin | If more labels changed by softwate... |
| 10:04.44 | wall[e] | it's a different machine |
| 10:05.08 | wall[e] | may be good to put it on wiki |
| 10:05.14 | merlin1991 | when I set my phone to update automatically the time keeps beeing wrong :D |
| 10:05.36 | MohammadAG | #maemo-hostmode-discussion |
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| 10:06.59 | lcuk | MohammadAG, have you seen the new channel #MohammadAG-is-special :p |
| 10:07.25 | MohammadAG | i swear if that channel exists... |
| 10:08.01 | loufoque_ | merlin1991: there doesn't seem to be any NTP installed |
| 10:08.13 | lcuk | :D |
| 10:08.19 | crashanddie | loufoque_: erhm, I thought it used the phone network time |
| 10:08.46 | loufoque_ | crashanddie: that doesn't seem to work in any case |
| 10:09.02 | frals | merlin1991: wrong how? |
| 10:09.13 | frals | because thats the time your phone is getting from the phone network |
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| 10:09.37 | merlin1991 | obviously not, because it's drifting off the right time the longer the phone runs |
| 10:09.38 | loufoque_ | frals: it says 07:15 thursday 1 january 2009 |
| 10:09.56 | loufoque_ | frals: for the uk |
| 10:10.23 | crashanddie | that's some drift right there |
| 10:10.25 | Nils^ | crashanddie: I'm so ashamed... there was a space in < stdio.h> |
| 10:10.43 | frals | merlin1991: a thought is its updated whenever you reregister with the network - but i dunno |
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| 10:11.12 | merlin1991 | well it kept beeing wrong when I restarted my device too |
| 10:11.33 | merlin1991 | atm I can't test because it's getting repaired :/ |
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| 10:11.47 | frals | please elaborate on 'wrong' :p |
| 10:12.48 | lcuk | frals, it doesnt work for everyone, anuary 2009 is often seen on test devices |
| 10:13.15 | frals | cool |
| 10:13.18 | crashanddie | lcuk: "lcuk left #mohammadag-is-special; (I am now alone in #mo...) wall[e] has joined #mohammadag-is-special; <wall[e]> dude.. get a life; wall[e] left #mohammadag-is-special |
| 10:13.25 | frals | works fine for me on both of mine \o/ |
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| 10:14.38 | merlin1992 | after about 1 month using the device (not 1 month uptime though) the time was wrong by about 5 mins |
| 10:15.14 | wall[e] | and now i am alone |
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| 10:23.02 | loufoque_ | is there a way to make the device use NTP? |
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| 10:23.30 | jacekowski | depends on device |
| 10:23.36 | jacekowski | n900? |
| 10:23.38 | jacekowski | probably yes |
| 10:23.44 | jaska | why not pull clock from gps?:) |
| 10:23.52 | jacekowski | but it get's clock from gps and gsm |
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| 10:24.55 | loufoque_ | because it's not working with gsm for some reason |
| 10:25.23 | jacekowski | use gps then |
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| 10:26.30 | loufoque_ | I can't sync with gps |
| 10:26.33 | mintux | Dima_Sharihin:sorry I disconnected . no I don't know what should I do ? I just want change these blue characters £ ⬠by < > on physical keyboard |
| 10:26.37 | loufoque_ | I suppose I need to be outside for the first time? |
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| 10:28.06 | mintux | I installed maemo sdk but this window is in 18% while I started it http://img6.tinypic.info/files/wazswuleobu25au35cx0.png |
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| 10:30.33 | Dima_Sharihin | mintux, all correct ;) |
| 10:30.58 | mintux | Dima_Sharihin: it takes too long time ? |
| 10:31.00 | wall[e] | it took me 4 days to install sdk |
| 10:31.13 | viliny_ | 4 days? |
| 10:31.20 | mintux | =-O |
| 10:31.20 | wall[e] | yes, 4 days |
| 10:31.23 | wall[e] | you can, |
| 10:31.26 | mintux | how much the size ? |
| 10:31.27 | wall[e] | download the deb |
| 10:31.30 | wall[e] | and dpkg -i |
| 10:31.35 | wall[e] | in 3/11 |
| 10:31.37 | Dima_Sharihin | mintux, no |
| 10:31.50 | MohammadAG | took me 3 hours or so |
| 10:31.52 | merlin1991 | hm it took me 3 horus to install, 4days is a bit more |
| 10:31.52 | viliny_ | why are you installing sdk mintux? |
| 10:31.58 | wall[e] | those packages in 3/11 the process to do that can be broken badly |
| 10:32.07 | MohammadAG | now i have the packages on dvd, so it installs in 5 minutes |
| 10:32.14 | wall[e] | and you sometimes have to solve thing manually |
| 10:32.31 | wall[e] | coz it can be frozen badly |
| 10:32.44 | wall[e] | strace can help you |
| 10:32.50 | mintux | viliny_: for cross compiling or just compile a c++ that it can work on n900 |
| 10:32.56 | wall[e] | see if you stuck |
| 10:33.18 | wall[e] | or ps auxww , check if apt http is working correctly |
| 10:33.25 | wall[e] | the apt isn't problem |
| 10:33.27 | mintux | wall[e]: what was your connection speed in KB? |
| 10:33.28 | wall[e] | the wrapper are |
| 10:33.36 | wall[e] | mintux, very bad connection |
| 10:33.48 | wall[e] | it has been raining and thunders |
| 10:33.51 | wall[e] | ip keeps changing |
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| 10:34.11 | wall[e] | on another box it took me half a day |
| 10:34.44 | mintux | wall[e]: what the average your connection speed number . I want to compare with myself and determine how much does it take time |
| 10:34.52 | wall[e] | after 3/11 life is happy |
| 10:35.03 | wall[e] | 30k/sec |
| 10:35.08 | MohammadAG | it's a 720-ish MB download |
| 10:35.23 | wall[e] | it's thailand |
| 10:35.28 | wall[e] | slowwww |
| 10:35.36 | Nils^ | Is there a trick to change file permissions on my n900? I can't change any file nor make it executable (chmod 777 foo.bar or chmod a+x foo.bar). I've tried with root@ssh and sudo gainroot on my n900 directly. |
| 10:35.48 | mintux | and what is total of size ? 720 MB ? |
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| 10:35.57 | wall[e] | Nils^, on vfat partition? |
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| 10:36.03 | corecode_ | oh btw power statistic |
| 10:36.08 | MohammadAG | Nils^, chmod works, move out of mydocs |
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| 10:36.19 | corecode_ | phone in offline mode stays online very long |
| 10:36.22 | corecode_ | probably a week or so |
| 10:36.23 | MohammadAG | mintux, 720-ish |
| 10:36.32 | MohammadAG | not sure of the exact size |
| 10:37.09 | wall[e] | oh, and the rootstrap downloading part is horrible too |
| 10:37.22 | wall[e] | it locked me out completely |
| 10:37.34 | viliny_ | what does the sdk need as a platform to install? |
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| 10:37.39 | wall[e] | must download the file manually as well |
| 10:37.41 | Dima_Sharihin | wall[e], how fast you inet connection? |
| 10:37.47 | viliny_ | last i checked there was a vm but that wasn't free |
| 10:37.52 | wall[e] | Dima_Sharihin, 20-30k/sec |
| 10:37.53 | MohammadAG | apparently not a lot |
| 10:37.56 | viliny_ | using vbox myself |
| 10:38.18 | Dima_Sharihin | seems to be happy with 50kb/sec |
| 10:38.24 | mintux | I disconnected a lot I don't my message come in channel or not but I repeat it again I don't know what should I do ? I just want change these blue characters £ ⬠by < > on physical keyboard for programing . and I don't how to edit keyboard map files . are there any body did it before . share his files with me ? |
| 10:38.33 | wall[e] | Dima_Sharihin, speed isn't the problem |
| 10:38.48 | wall[e] | as i said on another box it took me like 5-6 h |
| 10:39.33 | Dima_Sharihin | I noticed, that nokia maemo sdk fileserver is very stupid and slow |
| 10:40.06 | viliny_ | sorry to be a google dumbass but has anyone got a good sdk getting started guide? |
| 10:40.21 | viliny_ | id imagine someone involved would know the best one off the bat |
| 10:40.37 | psycho_oreos | viliny_, vmware player and vmware server are free, vmware workstation however isn't |
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| 10:44.53 | viliny_ | psycho_oreos: what are the roles of player and server again? |
| 10:45.09 | viliny_ | player some sort of citrix like remote desktop? |
| 10:46.03 | psycho_oreos | viliny_, no, it allows you to run vmware images but not edit them, vmware server basically has almost all the features of the vmware workstation except that its mostly web driven and lacks extra perks likes directx acceleration, etc |
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| 10:47.40 | merlin1991 | hm I'm not able to find the vm images, from everywhere I get linked to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 10:48.00 | Nils^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.06 | mintux | nobody works < > in programing . it's very need in most of language it's too hard press ctrl+alt together and type it . how can I change < > by £ ⬠on keyboard |
| 10:48.20 | viliny_ | so basicly i could run the server and be happy with it? |
| 10:48.22 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, you press the green rectangle box to agree |
| 10:48.23 | wall[e] | Nils^, vfat can't store many thing |
| 10:48.51 | psycho_oreos | viliny_, if you want to make changes to the .vmx file easily, yes.. but like I said its mostly web driven.. for administration that is |
| 10:49.00 | merlin1991 | psycho_oreos errm I'm not that dumb :), the problem is I can't find it on the page you get then or is it the maemodoc-toolchain_0.2.6.tar.gz? |
| 10:49.07 | Nils^ | wall[e]: MyDocs is the vfat partition? |
| 10:49.09 | viliny_ | web driven... how exactly can it be web driven? |
| 10:49.10 | wall[e] | Nils^, it's for windows |
| 10:49.12 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 10:49.19 | wall[e] | for exporting/importing files |
| 10:49.25 | wall[e] | between mac/win etc |
| 10:49.37 | MohammadAG | in short, yes |
| 10:49.39 | wall[e] | vfat is poppupar coz it is simple |
| 10:49.49 | MohammadAG | no need to write a paragraph m8 :P |
| 10:49.57 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, the page for downloads is after you click the agree button, I don't think the site allows you to hotlink |
| 10:49.57 | wall[e] | haha |
| 10:49.58 | Nils^ | wall[e]: but isn't this the space where all the GB are free for binary files? |
| 10:50.02 | MohammadAG | vfat is popular cause ntfs is closed |
| 10:50.16 | MohammadAG | and windows doesn't use ext3 |
| 10:50.23 | MohammadAG | or ext2 |
| 10:50.23 | psycho_oreos | viliny_, for remote administration, like configuring the virtual machines.. the base engine and stuff aren't web driven |
| 10:50.25 | MohammadAG | or 4 |
| 10:50.29 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 10:50.35 | wall[e] | Nils^, i format mine so vfat now is only 13 GB |
| 10:50.49 | viliny_ | psycho_oreos: but i still get a window with the desktop... right? |
| 10:50.51 | wall[e] | er repatition |
| 10:51.04 | psycho_oreos | viliny_, put it this way, imagine running virtualbox GUI inside the web browser.. the main engine and all aren't running from within the browser, just the GUI for managing it |
| 10:51.13 | psycho_oreos | viliny_, I believe so yes |
| 10:51.20 | viliny_ | ah okay, weird but i get it |
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| 10:51.58 | auenf | merlin1991, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 10:51.59 | merlin1991 | psycho_oreos I did click the agree button, but I can't find the sdk image on the page you get then, there's a bunch of version of the flasher tool some diablo usbnet patch but I can't see the desktop vm image there |
| 10:52.14 | Nils^ | Yeah! I got my first own app crosscompiled and running on my n900. Now the terminal shows a very beautiful "Hello World" to me :) |
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| 10:53.00 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, hmm wrong area, whoops, look at what auenf said |
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| 10:53.18 | Dima_Sharihin | Nils^, well done, take some candy :P |
| 10:53.22 | akumar | Please any one suggest me how to Create Debian Packages for maemo5. |
| 10:53.22 | akumar | I am flow step from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing |
| 10:53.22 | akumar | But it is only install the package, but not showing double-click-launch-icon. |
| 10:53.38 | wall[e] | if you wnat to do 3d game for the next days and need 3d graphcs tell me |
| 10:54.11 | MohammadAG | akumar, you need to make a .desktop file |
| 10:55.06 | akumar | MohammadAG: how and where to make .desktop file |
| 10:55.14 | merlin1991 | following http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Image_Tutorial/Installation#Image_installation I should get a vmware image that has everything I need on that page |
| 10:55.18 | MohammadAG | instructions in the wiki |
| 10:55.35 | merlin1991 | but there is none |
| 10:56.22 | wall[e] | anyone boot a pc with n900? |
| 10:56.28 | auenf | merlin1991, you went to the wrong part of the link i gave you |
| 10:56.39 | auenf | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_non-Linux_operating_systems |
| 10:56.49 | mintux | what the name of these characters: < > |
| 10:56.58 | wall[e] | less and more |
| 10:57.08 | loufoque_ | what is best, maemo browser or firefox? |
| 10:57.08 | auenf | > < |
| 10:57.18 | Dima_Sharihin | loufoque_, chrome :) |
| 10:57.25 | mintux | hmm |
| 10:57.33 | loufoque_ | on maemo.... |
| 10:57.34 | wall[e] | chrome isn't usable for me |
| 10:57.40 | mintux | and £ ⬠? |
| 10:57.44 | loufoque_ | chrome doesn't run on maemo |
| 10:57.46 | wall[e] | pound and euro |
| 10:57.49 | MohammadAG | loufoque_, chrome is available on maemo |
| 10:57.49 | Dima_Sharihin | pound and euro |
| 10:57.51 | mintux | great |
| 10:57.52 | Mobsan | loufoque_: opera |
| 10:57.53 | MohammadAG | it's in the repos |
| 10:57.58 | loufoque_ | you're sure it's not chromium? |
| 10:57.58 | wall[e] | chrome runs on mamemo |
| 10:58.05 | Dima_Sharihin | loufoque_, google it |
| 10:58.06 | MohammadAG | umm, it's the same.. |
| 10:58.11 | loufoque_ | no it's not |
| 10:58.12 | MohammadAG | chrome is just google's name |
| 10:58.13 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 10:58.20 | MohammadAG | it is the same |
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| 10:58.32 | MohammadAG | iceweasel = firefox with debian changes |
| 10:58.43 | MohammadAG | chromium = chrome - google crap |
| 10:59.51 | merlin1991 | auenf I came from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation and to the "Maemo SDK Virtual Image Tutorial" but even on the page you linked there is a link to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and there is not a single vm image as far as I see |
| 11:01.45 | merlin1991 | or am I missing something? http://merlin1991.me.funpic.de/where.png |
| 11:02.11 | mintux | how can I set SOCKS proxy for browser ? |
| 11:03.04 | auenf | merlin1991, try this one instead |
| 11:03.11 | auenf | seems the other one is mia |
| 11:03.36 | merlin1991 | and this one is? |
| 11:03.56 | auenf | iirc, this one is a pre-configured ubuntu vm where you'll have to run the scripts to create the scratchbox/sdk |
| 11:03.56 | auenf | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/vpc-sdk/ |
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| 11:04.46 | auenf | you can run it in virtualbox iirc |
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| 11:05.35 | merlin1991 | maybe we should update the wiki and put a link dead notice? |
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| 11:06.51 | auenf | well, somewhere there will be a reason why its not on the nokia site |
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| 11:07.37 | loufoque_ | how do you enable those repos to get opera or chrome |
| 11:07.57 | mintux | I open /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 how can I find less and more characters ? I would replace by sterling and EuroSign . I found this http://codepad.org/yXYDKg3T is it correct part to edit ? (at the end of that file ) so I should replace sterling and EuroSign but what should I put for < and > |
| 11:08.35 | auenf | loufoque_, surfing to the opera site there would be a 'direct install' linke that will install opera and the repository for it (iirc) |
| 11:09.08 | mintux | it's less an more ? |
| 11:09.13 | Nils^ | If I compile a normal program in scratchbox with ./configure --prefix=usr && make is the next step "fakeroot make install" or just make install? |
| 11:11.26 | wall[e] | do you have xev in maemo? |
| 11:11.49 | wall[e] | you can check for charcode |
| 11:12.24 | wall[e] | you should be able to... |
| 11:12.43 | wall[e] | set DISPLAY to maemo and xev onto it |
| 11:12.58 | wall[e] | tries |
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| 11:14.29 | wall[e] | strange i can only track mouse event |
| 11:14.30 | auenf | merlin1991, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53145 |
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| 11:16.03 | auenf | or merlin1992 ;) |
| 11:16.13 | wall[e] | anyway to track keyboard event with xinput? |
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| 11:16.24 | wall[e] | or may be i should try xev with window id |
| 11:17.43 | odin_ | Nils^, it is "--prefix=/usr" slash at start can be important |
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| 11:17.55 | wall[e] | hmm xev win won't get focus |
| 11:18.11 | wall[e] | ok, try -id |
| 11:18.40 | odin_ | Nils^, what is the package ? normally if you are compling your own stuff, you don't specify --prefix and end up with it in /usr/local which is the correct place for unmanaged self-installed stuff |
| 11:19.12 | wall[e] | ok, this is how i set it |
| 11:19.17 | odin_ | Nils^, just setup ld.so.conf to look in /usr/local/lib and add /usr/local/bin (and possible /usr/local/sbin) to your $PATH and away you go |
| 11:19.54 | wall[e] | leave xterminal open, ssh to n900->ssh -X to box, run xwininfo and click on xterminal in n900 to get window id |
| 11:20.04 | wall[e] | then xev -id the id you got |
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| 11:20.42 | wall[e] | hmm i can only track atom changed, nm |
| 11:21.09 | Nils^ | odin_: I'm compiling the jack audio connection kit right now. |
| 11:21.58 | wall[e] | ok, just use xterm on local box instead and works |
| 11:22.00 | odin_ | Nils^, for sbox ? I wouldn't know about how it might work under sbox |
| 11:22.25 | wall[e] | get all keycodes |
| 11:22.28 | Nils^ | odin_: I'm just compiling it in sbox. Thats needed before running on the n900, right? |
| 11:22.45 | wall[e] | mintux, try |
| 11:22.56 | Nils^ | odin_: well.. it does not run on sbox because FATAL: cannot locate cpu MHz in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:23.02 | odin_ | Nils^, yes sbox when setup correctly, will output executable that run both under sbox (due to QEMU) and on the N900 natively |
| 11:24.01 | Nils^ | odin_: at least my hello world ran onthe n900 natively right now :) |
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| 11:25.00 | odin_ | Nils^, the N900 does not have "cpu MHz" only "BogoMIPS" maybe you can override an environment var, run the ./configure outside sbox and check the config.log/config.make for the value is needs |
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| 11:26.04 | Nils^ | odin_: ok, maybe I'll contact the JACK devs, too. |
| 11:26.34 | odin_ | Nils^, well they probably don't have an N900 to help you, you need to work out what ./configure wants to know from debugging the configure script |
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| 11:27.21 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:28.13 | Nils^ | odin_: I am not sure why configure. Configure does not test for cpu mhz, its the succesfully compiled binary that crashes |
| 11:29.12 | odin_ | Nils^, crashes or exits not liking the environment ? sent the devs a copy of "uname -a" and "/proc/cpuinfo" from the N900 or better patch it yourself to make it work |
| 11:29.58 | Nils^ | odin_: it starts with the copyright message and then ends with FATAL: cannot locate cpu MHz in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:30.24 | odin_ | Nils^, sounds like it just exits not liking the environment |
| 11:30.39 | wall[e] | i think, a dance doll for n900 would be nice |
| 11:30.42 | wall[e] | while playing music |
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| 11:31.05 | jacekowski | Nils^: what are you trying to compile? |
| 11:31.37 | Nils^ | jacekowski: JACK audio connection kit. |
| 11:31.38 | wall[e] | mintux, it means.. |
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| 11:32.02 | wall[e] | that in its mode, it will echo both no matter if shift is pressed or not |
| 11:32.10 | jacekowski | Nils^: what version? |
| 11:32.16 | Nils^ | jacekowski: 0.118 |
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| 11:33.10 | Nils^ | odin_: and how can I create an enviroment that JACK likes? |
| 11:33.23 | Nils^ | odin_: this is just a question to figure out what you mean. |
| 11:34.27 | jacekowski | Nils^: works for me |
| 11:34.27 | odin_ | Nils^, well I guess JACK might presume certain information is in /proc/cpuinfo to optimize itself at runtime (maybe for jitter/wake-sleep) based on CPU speed |
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| 11:34.41 | jacekowski | Nils^: at keast when i'm compiling in scratchbox |
| 11:34.42 | odin_ | jacekowski, works in sbox or on N900 ? |
| 11:35.01 | odin_ | jacekowski, I believe Nils^ issue is runtime parsing of /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:35.06 | Nils^ | jacekowski: the compilation works. Try to run it: jackd -d alsa |
| 11:35.18 | jacekowski | sbox |
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| 11:36.02 | jacekowski | hmm |
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| 11:37.46 | mintux | wall[e]: hmm. is it possible to put brackets for that ? |
| 11:37.46 | mintux | wall[e]: mean shift+Fn type bracket |
| 11:37.46 | mintux | I did try but didn't work |
| 11:38.10 | jacekowski | remove that from code |
| 11:38.43 | wall[e] | to replaece ambersand ? |
| 11:38.51 | wall[e] | did you re-set xkbmap? |
| 11:39.00 | Nils^ | jacekowski: "hmm".. exactly |
| 11:39.11 | wall[e] | man setxkbmap |
| 11:40.27 | jacekowski | Nils^: config/os/gnu-linux/time.c |
| 11:40.28 | Nils^ | odin_: jacekowski: I just got the message that MIPS is already in in JACK for arm and others. |
| 11:40.34 | Nils^ | #else /* MIPS, ARM, alpha */ |
| 11:40.34 | Nils^ | (13:38) ( petern_) ,...,...ret = sscanf(buf, "BogoMIPS : %" SCNu64, &mhz); |
| 11:41.30 | odin_ | Nils^, so check the code yourself? check the version you have is the same, and the devels are not referring to something in SCM/GIT/SVN/CVS |
| 11:41.51 | jacekowski | Nils^: have you tried it on n900? |
| 11:42.08 | Nils^ | jacekowski: no, not yet. only sbox |
| 11:43.09 | mintux | wall[e]:is it possible to assign brackets for left and right key + alt . the code is: key <LEFT>{ type[Group1] = "ONE_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [Left] }; how can I edit that ? |
| 11:43.16 | mintux | or +FN |
| 11:43.31 | odin_ | Nils^, well sbox might not have a proper /proc layout |
| 11:43.55 | odin_ | Nils^, looks like it does but it is under QEMU |
| 11:44.22 | Nils^ | odin_: jacekowski: ok, so I have to try it on the real device |
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| 11:44.49 | odin_ | Nils^, well I would before complaining, as sbox+QEMU is not perfect emulation |
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| 11:45.19 | loufoque_ | I don't really get how one is supposed to do the zoom gesture in the browser |
| 11:45.24 | loufoque_ | I need both hands to do this |
| 11:46.17 | wall[e] | mintux, you know [] are accessible to alt-sym right? |
| 11:46.42 | wall[e] | s/to/through/ |
| 11:46.59 | mintux | im sorry |
| 11:47.03 | mintux | fn+left |
| 11:47.08 | mintux | is it possible ? |
| 11:47.19 | wall[e] | yes |
| 11:47.19 | mintux | fn+left type left bracket |
| 11:47.33 | mintux | so how should I change that code ? |
| 11:47.37 | wall[e] | do you need them that often btw? |
| 11:47.47 | mintux | yes in programing I need that |
| 11:47.50 | wall[e] | a couple files |
| 11:48.11 | wall[e] | yes but you can alt+sym to type them, you know that right? |
| 11:48.14 | wall[e] | just checking |
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| 11:48.39 | wall[e] | that it will pop up a window so you can type them |
| 11:49.00 | wall[e] | if you program in x terminal, you can just have them on the bottom toolbar |
| 11:49.13 | wall[e] | i am not in mood to look into xkb atm |
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| 11:49.27 | mintux | it's very hard to take alt+sym together my finger is big and if I want to use it my keyboard damage soon it's very hard to work |
| 11:49.27 | mintux | in this file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 at the end of file |
| 11:49.29 | wall[e] | busy with something so i think may be you could find xkb doc yourself |
| 11:49.35 | mintux | we have key <LEFT>{ type[Group1] = "ONE_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [Left] }; and key <RGHT>{ type[Group1] = "ONE_LEVEL", symbols[Group1] = [Right] }; |
| 11:49.37 | wall[e] | i believe you need more than one file |
| 11:49.42 | wall[e] | brb |
| 11:49.45 | mintux | hmm |
| 11:50.43 | mintux | I found it I think |
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| 11:51.24 | wall[e] | mintux, you can btw, press alt, leave , press sym |
| 11:51.35 | wall[e] | no need to press them together |
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| 11:53.42 | mintux | ok |
| 11:53.57 | mintux | wow |
| 11:53.58 | mintux | worked |
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| 11:59.55 | Chiku | lol PR1.2 stil not released yet |
| 12:01.11 | Chiku | too much critical bugs or no care about customers |
| 12:01.33 | viliny_ | any math freaks here want to help me with a equation? :) |
| 12:02.14 | Chiku | 0+0 = la tete a toto :) |
| 12:03.42 | crashanddie | viliny_: shoot |
| 12:03.49 | crashanddie | Chiku: that is so not funny |
| 12:03.58 | Chiku | http://nourryan.perso.cegetel.net/images/toto.jpg |
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| 12:04.14 | crashanddie | Chiku: except that on IRC, it's 0.0 |
| 12:04.50 | crashanddie | or maybe you didn't reach the grade where they stop using x and start using .? |
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| 12:06.01 | mintux | /home/user/MyDocs is 32GB vfat ? |
| 12:06.21 | crashanddie | mintux: something like that, yeah |
| 12:06.22 | louigiverona | hey guys! is there any way to configure the standard N900 browser to not load images? |
| 12:06.42 | viliny_ | mintux: i have seen you ask that questions many times here, have you not gotten an answer that satisfies you yet? |
| 12:06.43 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.45 | talonz | 27 gigs mintux |
| 12:07.32 | Appiah | mintux: yes it is |
| 12:07.57 | mintux | viliny_: yes I got it but something confused me . in /media/mmc1/ (that is 27Gib) are some files but the contents of /home/user/MyDocs is completely different |
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| 12:08.16 | louigiverona | mintux: how can i reach those settings. cannot seem to find them |
| 12:08.36 | mintux | louigiverona: press top of browser to see setting button |
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| 12:09.13 | viliny_ | crashanddie: http://img6.tinypic.info/files/wazswuleobu25au35cx0.png |
| 12:09.18 | viliny_ | sorry, that was wrong paste |
| 12:09.32 | crashanddie | and? |
| 12:09.35 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 12:09.47 | viliny_ | that was actually mintux earlier url... damn this copy pasting in virtualbox - what i ment was http://era.daug.net/prob.jpg |
| 12:09.58 | mintux | viliny_: please see this http://codepad.org/ktks0NTt |
| 12:09.59 | louigiverona | mintux: that's the problem, there are no settings there, just import bookmarks, open file, add |
| 12:10.08 | crashanddie | viliny_: and? |
| 12:10.28 | crashanddie | viliny_: what's the thing on the right? |
| 12:10.30 | viliny_ | i shot as you asked :) |
| 12:10.42 | crashanddie | a = -3/4 and b = 3? |
| 12:10.42 | viliny_ | it's what a and b are |
| 12:10.53 | viliny_ | yes, i took out the explanation as they were in finnish |
| 12:10.54 | crashanddie | viliny_: just making sure because of the "ja" |
| 12:11.03 | viliny_ | ah that got left there |
| 12:11.09 | viliny_ | means and in finnish |
| 12:12.18 | mintux | now I delete some files now see http://codepad.org/Mt8yfFUJ |
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| 12:13.26 | mintux | let me see your iamge |
| 12:14.10 | louigiverona | mintux: found it ) |
| 12:14.11 | mintux | viliny_:it's that reason the contents of /media/mmc1/ and /home/user/MyDocs/ are different ? |
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| 12:15.07 | crashanddie | viliny_: the answer is -1 |
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| 12:15.23 | viliny_ | mintux: i had your url in clipboard because i had to copy it off and paste it outside this virtual machine to see it, im not actually working on your problem right now . sorry if that was misleading |
| 12:15.37 | viliny_ | crashanddie: thats correct, is there any easy way you could show me how you did it? |
| 12:15.40 | mintux | what's I mmc1 exactly ? |
| 12:15.56 | mintux | in /media ? |
| 12:16.47 | viliny_ | mintux: stop your trolling seriously, last time you went on about this for a good while everyone was trying to tell you that /media/mmc1 is where the memory card is mounted and you didn't have a memory card to begin with |
| 12:16.47 | viliny_ | mydocs and mmc1 are not the same location |
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| 12:16.47 | crashanddie | viliny_: off the top of my head really, you didn't ask me anything, just showed me a formula, and no variables are unknown, so it's not even an equation |
| 12:16.47 | viliny_ | i don't know where you got this from |
| 12:16.47 | mintux | oh |
| 12:16.47 | mintux | I taked mistake |
| 12:17.10 | mintux | I thought /media/mcc1 is 32GB |
| 12:17.13 | mintux | but it's root |
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| 12:17.29 | viliny_ | crashanddie: alright, you see, i suck at math and im trying to refresh the basics and i'd like to see how thats solved since im having some trouble with it |
| 12:17.35 | mintux | and it the reason of my rootfs is full |
| 12:17.59 | mintux | hmm |
| 12:18.02 | MohammadAG_ | Linux fedora-arm 2.6.28-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sat May 22 21:10:23 IDT 2010 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 12:18.02 | MohammadAG_ | \o/ |
| 12:18.07 | mintux | im so sorry |
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| 12:18.43 | mintux | MohammadAG_: what did you do ? boot fedora on n900 ? |
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| 12:18.55 | viliny_ | mintux: you shouldn't put stuff in mmc1 if you don't have a memory card. The location is your memory card only when you have the card in and at other times it's your rootfs |
| 12:18.59 | crashanddie | viliny_: 1/a-1/b+(2 (a+b))/(a b) = sum_(n=-1infinity)^infinitypiecewise1 | n = -1 |
| 12:18.59 | crashanddie | 1/b | n = 0 a^n |
| 12:19.02 | viliny_ | you should move content away from there |
| 12:19.12 | MohammadAG_ | mintux yeah |
| 12:19.18 | mintux | I solved it |
| 12:19.26 | MohammadAG_ | thanks to b-man yesterday :) |
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| 12:20.08 | viliny_ | crashanddie: okay, i can't decipher that |
| 12:20.27 | mintux | MohammadAG_: I compiled c++ on debian chroot but the output doesn't run on My pc because the cpu is different and it's run on xterminal also . just run it on debian chroot why ? |
| 12:20.35 | Nils^ | ARGH! no my n900 refuses to ssh anymore.. it just disconnects after 5 chars send there... its getting worse! http://xkcd.com/349/ |
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| 12:21.00 | crashanddie | viliny_: ok, hang on |
| 12:21.17 | Stskeeps | Nils^: try disable PSM and see if it helps |
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| 12:21.47 | MohammadAG_ | mintux huh |
| 12:22.01 | viliny_ | crashanddie: thanks alot for doing this |
| 12:22.04 | Nils^ | Stskeeps: PSM? |
| 12:22.13 | crashanddie | Asking permission to the channel to paste a few lines? |
| 12:22.23 | Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm |
| 12:22.24 | infobot | from memory, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 12:22.26 | mintux | **doesn't run in xterminal |
| 12:22.49 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.14 | crashanddie | viliny_: there's quite a few ways of doing this, depending on your math level. The formula you gave is a pretty "well known" formula, and can be expanded quite rapidly |
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| 12:24.00 | viliny_ | ah i see |
| 12:24.09 | viliny_ | no im really working up from the bare basics at this point |
| 12:24.26 | viliny_ | i was less than enthusiastic about this stuff while i had the chance in school and now it's come back to bite me in the ass |
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| 12:24.35 | mintux | a software for edit photo ? |
| 12:24.44 | viliny_ | mintux: what os? |
| 12:24.58 | mintux | maemo5 (n900) I want on phone |
| 12:25.14 | mintux | I use gimp in my pc |
| 12:25.32 | viliny_ | the phone has basic stuff built in - you can run gimp via debian chroot if you like |
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| 12:26.34 | ManoftheSea | isn't the Gimp kinda heavy for the phone? |
| 12:26.49 | viliny_ | yup |
| 12:27.03 | mintux | I ran it . but it's very hard to work . |
| 12:27.18 | viliny_ | well, it is a phone mintux |
| 12:27.25 | ManoftheSea | mintux: what kind of editing do you want? |
| 12:27.35 | ManoftheSea | cropping? |
| 12:27.43 | ManoftheSea | drawing? |
| 12:27.46 | mintux | no I don't think so it's a tablet that installed a phone software on it |
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| 12:27.55 | mintux | ManoftheSea: both. work on colors |
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| 12:28.10 | viliny_ | mintux: regardless, you won't be editing images comfortably with what you have in the n900 due to physical limitations |
| 12:28.14 | ManoftheSea | Is there enough screen real-estate for that? |
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| 12:28.44 | mintux | if tuxpaint can open image . it was great |
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| 12:28.54 | viliny_ | isn't tuxpaint for kids or something? |
| 12:29.14 | ham5 | almost like photoshop cs5 |
| 12:29.26 | viliny_ | tuxpaint is like ps cs5? |
| 12:29.33 | ham5 | yea ;) |
| 12:29.38 | mintux | it can draw easily . and has some clipart that it's funny |
| 12:29.46 | viliny_ | lol |
| 12:29.54 | mintux | let try mypaint |
| 12:29.57 | SpeedEvil | netpbm then |
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| 12:30.05 | viliny_ | "for 3-12 year olds" - that kinda made me not install it in the first place |
| 12:30.08 | SpeedEvil | to convert to something that tuxpaint will open |
| 12:30.25 | SpeedEvil | Everyone should have a 12yo inside. |
| 12:30.33 | SpeedEvil | brb, checking cage. |
| 12:30.54 | ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: I'm a guy, I don't want people inside me. |
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| 12:33.55 | viliny_ | crashanddie: were you still working on the illustration? |
| 12:34.05 | crashanddie | viliny_: http://slexy.org/view/s20Bd887Zn |
| 12:34.29 | crashanddie | viliny_: I really tried to drill down to the most simple steps |
| 12:34.47 | viliny_ | ah thanks alot |
| 12:34.56 | viliny_ | do you have any project that wants donations going on? :) |
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| 12:35.10 | crashanddie | nope, but I'm looking for a job :) |
| 12:35.27 | Noma | life is a common project that people need donations for...:p |
| 12:35.48 | viliny_ | crashanddie: where? :) im leaving an it planner job open soon ;) |
| 12:36.12 | crashanddie | viliny_: all over the world provided I can work from home :D |
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| 12:37.52 | viliny_ | hehe, no im afraid theres too much working with people and hardware involved, and i have this kreeping feeling you might be overqualified :) |
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| 12:39.01 | crashanddie | story of my life |
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| 12:39.19 | crashanddie | I think I might change my name to "appartment" |
| 12:39.27 | crashanddie | I'll be the House of computer science |
| 12:40.50 | viliny_ | hehe |
| 12:41.08 | crashanddie | viliny_: for what it's worth, I sucked at math in school. I hate the whole "there's no point to it" feeling you get at solving equations |
| 12:41.09 | viliny_ | well better to be overqualified and good at math than mediocre almost savant at it and dumb at math |
| 12:41.15 | viliny_ | hehe yeah |
| 12:41.47 | crashanddie | I finished with 2/20 in high school, and 8/20 for my degree |
| 12:41.59 | crashanddie | 8/20 was by cheating, I could look at the guy in front of me |
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| 12:42.27 | viliny_ | i still have trouble making out the solution from what you gave me but should be enough for my friend to give me the thing in clear format |
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| 12:42.49 | crashanddie | hang on |
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| 12:45.35 | mintux | I would like to Repartition 27Gb and I don't want vfat partition or only just 2gb and another want be ext3 . is it possible ? means does it show in file manager ? |
| 12:46.51 | MohammadAG_ | wonders how to check battery level on Fedora |
| 12:47.20 | ZogG | MohammadAG_ what do you mean? |
| 12:47.25 | ZogG | what DE? |
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| 12:47.50 | MohammadAG_ | DE? |
| 12:48.41 | ZogG | MohammadAG yes DE |
| 12:48.42 | wall[e] | desktop environment! |
| 12:48.43 | ZogG | ~DE |
| 12:48.44 | infobot | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:48.57 | wall[e] | or development environment? |
| 12:49.03 | ZogG | desktop |
| 12:49.10 | MohammadAG_ | oh |
| 12:49.17 | MohammadAG_ | GNOME |
| 12:49.26 | wall[e] | mintux, yes, that's very possible |
| 12:49.31 | ZogG | do you have udev or hal support? |
| 12:49.34 | wall[e] | there's a step by step tutorial for that |
| 12:49.35 | ZogG | acpi support? |
| 12:49.47 | ZogG | if you do just get the panel applet and that's all |
| 12:49.48 | MohammadAG_ | the N900 doesn't use acpi |
| 12:49.49 | wall[e] | it just swap the vfat with home |
| 12:49.50 | MohammadAG_ | afaik |
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| 12:50.10 | ZogG | MohammadAG_, windows doesn't too |
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| 12:50.24 | MohammadAG_ | windows uses acpi lol |
| 12:50.53 | ZogG | windows 3.11 doesn't |
| 12:51.10 | MohammadAG_ | Linux fedora-arm 2.6.28-omap1 #2 PREEMPT Sat May 22 21:10:23 IDT 2010 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 12:51.17 | ZogG | oh |
| 12:51.25 | ZogG | you got it on n900? |
| 12:51.30 | wall[e] | cool |
| 12:51.30 | MohammadAG_ | yeah |
| 12:51.30 | viliny_ | crashanddie: im used to solving these things in like 3-4 rows of steps - your way seems a little foreign... might have to do with the limiations you have on giving the information (1 line) |
| 12:51.45 | MohammadAG_ | thanks to Jebba for the image and b-man for the help |
| 12:52.14 | ZogG | x11-misc/xbattbar |
| 12:52.40 | MohammadAG_ | but it doesn't show up in lshal |
| 12:52.49 | ZogG | battery? |
| 12:52.55 | MohammadAG_ | yeah |
| 12:53.12 | ZogG | i think nokia doesn't keeps some things closed |
| 12:53.34 | MohammadAG_ | bme |
| 12:53.44 | MohammadAG_ | but n900-support from mer is loaded |
| 12:53.52 | Stskeeps | you don't have hal-addon-bme |
| 12:54.06 | MohammadAG_ | ? |
| 12:54.10 | ZogG | MohammadAG_ do you have hal? |
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| 12:54.17 | Stskeeps | which is what provides the bme info in lshal |
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| 12:55.18 | ZogG | MohammadAG_ try to use hal and acpi =) |
| 12:55.25 | MohammadAG_ | can i just copy it over from maemo? |
| 12:55.34 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.35 | Stskeeps | not easily, i think |
| 12:55.36 | crashanddie | viliny_: http://imm.io/y8U |
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| 12:56.14 | wall[e] | mintux, I followed that, work perfect! |
| 12:56.31 | mintux | wall[e]: which solution did you do ? |
| 12:56.40 | ZogG | MohammadAG_ i don't think it would work anyway |
| 12:56.49 | ZogG | MohammadAG_, maybe it needs drivers |
| 12:56.51 | wall[e] | 1 i thought i wanted 1 then i switch to my own. |
| 12:56.57 | wall[e] | but it works |
| 12:57.02 | viliny_ | crashanddie: oh thats cool man - thanks alot! |
| 12:57.07 | wall[e] | now my /home is 16GB |
| 12:57.32 | wall[e] | i can download hidef pr0n that's so cool. |
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| 12:57.50 | viliny_ | crashanddie: how does the fourth work. whered you get the -1+1 up there? |
| 12:58.28 | mintux | wall[e]:what should I backup ? |
| 12:58.42 | MohammadAG_ | chroots into maemo |
| 12:58.57 | crashanddie | viliny_: oh, sorry, oversimplification again, that -1+1 = 0, so any number to the power of 0 = 1 |
| 12:59.23 | ZogG | MohammadAG_ wait - let's read moooore |
| 12:59.25 | crashanddie | viliny_: so 2a^(-1+1) = 2a^0 = 2 * 1 = 2 |
| 12:59.41 | wall[e] | mintux, solution 1 I think they will tell you how to backup |
| 12:59.53 | wall[e] | mintux, there's also a backup app |
| 12:59.55 | viliny_ | crashanddie: ah okay |
| 13:00.19 | mintux | wall[e]: I don't think the backup app takes a complete backup |
| 13:00.24 | viliny_ | well thanks a tonne man, it's 4 o clock now so im leaving work, so appreciated :) |
| 13:00.50 | ZogG | MohammadAG_ wait - can you check what does your kernel have? |
| 13:00.51 | wall[e] | mintux, no, but backing up /home/user should be enough |
| 13:00.54 | wall[e] | after umount |
| 13:00.58 | wall[e] | MyDocs |
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| 13:01.15 | wall[e] | what do you want to backup? |
| 13:01.27 | crashanddie | viliny_: no problem |
| 13:01.29 | mintux | wall[e]: completely home |
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| 13:01.44 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.45 | ZogG | where is kernel in maemo? |
| 13:01.49 | wall[e] | mintux, you can tar them away |
| 13:02.07 | mintux | ok i'l do it |
| 13:02.09 | wall[e] | tar up those in /home/user and exclude MyDoc |
| 13:02.11 | wall[e] | s |
| 13:02.15 | ham5 | kernel should be in /boot no? |
| 13:02.29 | mintux | total is 4.1GB |
| 13:02.31 | wall[e] | you sure you only want 2GB vfat? |
| 13:02.43 | mintux | yes im linux user |
| 13:02.44 | wall[e] | coz it's used to transfer |
| 13:02.50 | wall[e] | ok |
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| 13:03.30 | mintux | and for more facilitates and security reason I would it be ext3 because anybody plug this device to computer has windows |
| 13:03.47 | wall[e] | i am a gnu/linux user too but you will have more problems to solve to transfer big file from another gnu/linux box |
| 13:04.13 | wall[e] | coz maemo will only export vfat partition |
| 13:04.22 | wall[e] | i don't know how to export other yet |
| 13:04.37 | mintux | wall[e]: what do you mean ? why another gnu/linux box ? |
| 13:04.41 | wall[e] | but you can still transfer file over usb0 net |
| 13:04.52 | mintux | problem is for windows machine |
| 13:04.52 | wall[e] | which is quite fast |
| 13:05.07 | mintux | that we have 2 GB vfat for that |
| 13:05.09 | wall[e] | mintux, imagine you want to transfer 4gb file from another gnu/linux box |
| 13:05.41 | wall[e] | it won't fit in MyDocs, though larger file still need split |
| 13:05.58 | mintux | wall[e]: hmm from usb ? |
| 13:06.08 | wall[e] | over usb, coz that's the fastest |
| 13:06.15 | wall[e] | but you can still use usb0 net to transfer |
| 13:06.21 | wall[e] | later |
| 13:06.34 | wall[e] | i think it's okay |
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| 13:06.46 | wall[e] | so if you want to deal with that just have mydocs 2gb shoudl be ok |
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| 13:07.18 | mintux | wall[e]: so it's better to shrink mydocs |
| 13:07.43 | wall[e] | and i think media player (default) only looks in MyDocs |
| 13:07.52 | MohammadAG | did someone highlight/ping me? |
| 13:07.55 | wall[e] | so I want it bigger a bit |
| 13:08.04 | ZogG | MohammadAG me |
| 13:08.10 | ZogG | tryig to find out something |
| 13:08.23 | ZogG | MohammadAG, indeed it doesn't have acpi (maemo) |
| 13:08.32 | ZogG | but does your fedore have? |
| 13:08.37 | MohammadAG | ZogG, you killed my battery |
| 13:08.45 | MohammadAG | acpi is hw based afaik |
| 13:09.25 | ZogG | www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Battery-Powered.html |
| 13:09.43 | ZogG | MohammadAG, |
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| 13:10.55 | mintux | wall[e]: I think buy a memory for it |
| 13:11.35 | wall[e] | yeh, that too |
| 13:11.40 | MohammadAG | docpurge breaks dpkg-repack |
| 13:11.45 | satmd | hi |
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| 13:13.13 | mintux | wall[e]: there is no change need in fstab ? |
| 13:13.54 | wall[e] | mintux, no, afaik fstab is autogenerated? |
| 13:14.00 | mintux | mintux: when you open filemanager what files do you see ? where path ? |
| 13:14.10 | wall[e] | wall[e], yeh, i love me |
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| 13:14.38 | wall[e] | mintux, it opens MyDocs |
| 13:15.11 | mintux | doesn't do this at this time . he needs more time to think about it and knows what does he do |
| 13:15.28 | SpeedEvil | fstab is generated in /etc/rc.d/rcS-late |
| 13:15.30 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 13:15.35 | wall[e] | SpeedEvil, thanks! |
| 13:15.46 | SpeedEvil | grep -r fstab /etc |
| 13:17.26 | MohammadAG | yes, if you f up while editing your system will become non bootable :) |
| 13:18.04 | wall[e] | ok, got it |
| 13:18.44 | satmd | the apm faq above looks old and outdated |
| 13:18.58 | satmd | some of the kernel options don't exist anymore |
| 13:19.17 | wall[e] | but doesn't look like it relate to why i was looking for it. want to know how to export partitions over usb |
| 13:19.24 | satmd | "are running a relatively recent (>2.4.10) kernel, " |
| 13:19.27 | satmd | no comment. |
| 13:21.11 | wall[e] | if i only have ext3 parts it will not export anything? |
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| 13:25.20 | mintux | wall[e]: what is your partition exactly ? 16gig ext3 mydcos and ... ? |
| 13:26.07 | wall[e] | mindfaq, 16GB /home and 13GB ext3 I think |
| 13:26.18 | wall[e] | I left the swap untouched |
| 13:27.44 | wall[e] | /dev/mmcblk0p1 : start= 64, size= 27271168, Id= c |
| 13:27.44 | wall[e] | /dev/mmcblk0p2 : start= 27271232, size= 33554432, Id=83 |
| 13:27.44 | mintux | tar doesn't work tar -cvjf backup.tar.bz2 * |
| 13:27.45 | mintux | tar: invalid option -- j |
| 13:27.56 | wall[e] | z |
| 13:28.14 | wall[e] | zvxf |
| 13:28.17 | wall[e] | and use tgz |
| 13:28.36 | wall[e] | er |
| 13:28.46 | wall[e] | zvcf |
| 13:29.22 | wall[e] | you can install gnu tar if you want |
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| 13:29.58 | MohammadAG | mintux, cause it's busybox's tar |
| 13:30.09 | MohammadAG | has gtar symlinked to /bin/tar |
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| 13:30.17 | mintux | wall[e]: where is that table file ? |
| 13:30.23 | MohammadAG | no idea if it would kill my device, but that can be fixed |
| 13:31.05 | wall[e] | brave heart |
| 13:31.13 | wall[e] | bows before you. |
| 13:31.15 | mintux | hmm ok |
| 13:31.45 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:32.02 | wall[e] | mintux, it's sfdisk output |
| 13:33.43 | satmd | ah |
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| 13:38.39 | mintux | I want these partitions 8gig vfat and 22 gig ext and swap be everything that was. but the questions is 8gig vfat will be /home/user/MyDocs and 22 will be /home/user so if it's true file manager open 8gig partition content's ?? |
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| 13:41.37 | MohammadAG | the filemanager shows everything in /media/$foldername |
| 13:42.07 | MohammadAG | so in theory if you could mount / on /media/root you can see rootfs in hildon-fm |
| 13:43.15 | mintux | MohammadAG: means the MyDocs is in /media ?? |
| 13:43.41 | MohammadAG | umm, let me rephrase |
| 13:44.06 | MohammadAG | /home/user/MyDocs and everything in /media will show |
| 13:44.22 | mintux | hmm |
| 13:45.45 | mintux | MohammadAG: I did mount /home/user /media/user but I don't see it in fb |
| 13:46.47 | MohammadAG | restart the file manager |
| 13:46.48 | MohammadAG | fb? |
| 13:47.09 | mintux | default file manager |
| 13:47.17 | mintux | restrt means close and open ? I did it |
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| 13:47.38 | MohammadAG | works for me |
| 13:47.48 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 13:47.54 | MohammadAG | you mount a device on a folder |
| 13:48.00 | MohammadAG | not a folder on another folder |
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| 13:48.35 | mintux | /home/user is a device or partition ? |
| 13:49.13 | wall[e] | file browser |
| 13:49.26 | MohammadAG | neither... |
| 13:49.32 | MohammadAG | /home/user is a directory |
| 13:49.40 | mintux | ok now I mount /home/user/apps/omweather |
| 13:49.41 | MohammadAG | and in the N900's case, a mount point |
| 13:49.47 | MohammadAG | huh?! |
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| 13:50.04 | mintux | what do you mount and work for you ? |
| 13:50.04 | MohammadAG | mintux, i suggest you stay away from partitioning |
| 13:50.19 | MohammadAG | or read some man pages then do it |
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| 13:51.10 | MohammadAG | mount /dev/node /path/i/want/to/mount/to |
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| 13:52.19 | wall[e] | don't do |
| 13:52.28 | wall[e] | anything not documented step-by-step |
| 13:52.51 | mintux | MohammadAG: there is no choice . my problem is 1- everyone plug my device to the computer can see my files ( all people have windows ) 2- in debian chroot I can compile cpp files and run it only ext3 partition not fat 3-in pygtkeditor I can open only files in MyDocs and it in vfat 4- in lighhttpd browser the files are in /wwwPHP and I can not open it with pygtkeditor |
| 13:52.55 | wall[e] | i wish someone has script to automate thing |
| 13:53.46 | mintux | im linux user . and do it a lot partitioning before in my system but here it's different |
| 13:53.49 | wall[e] | hahah your drive full of pr0n just like mine! |
| 13:54.50 | wall[e] | note that I don't have windows or ever have use it |
| 13:55.06 | lauri | hey guys |
| 13:55.26 | lauri | do you have any good links for Qt4 MVC programming? |
| 13:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | mintux: MohammadAG: mount --bind / /user/MyDocs/my_root |
| 13:55.35 | lauri | I am interested in QListView etc |
| 13:56.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I know :) |
| 13:56.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, check your damn queries :P |
| 13:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | uhh? |
| 13:56.54 | MohammadAG | /query? :/ |
| 13:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with 'my queries'? o.O |
| 13:57.51 | mintux | DocScrutinizer: did it . doesn't work . I have my_root but the content's of root doesn't list |
| 13:58.13 | wall[e] | forget /home ? |
| 13:58.23 | mintux | oh |
| 13:58.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I pm'd you... |
| 13:58.40 | wall[e] | miss /home |
| 13:58.41 | MohammadAG | mintux, what exactly are you doing? |
| 13:58.43 | wall[e] | lollololololol |
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| 13:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you got your chance weeks ago |
| 13:59.10 | mintux | worked |
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| 13:59.24 | MohammadAG | didn't get the joke |
| 13:59.27 | MohammadAG | Oh |
| 13:59.27 | Dima202 | no patch? |
| 13:59.28 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:59.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I didn't have anything installed a week ago :P |
| 14:01.15 | MohammadAG | mounting / to /media/root isn't the smartest idea |
| 14:01.22 | MohammadAG | at least for the average user |
| 14:01.24 | SpeedEvil | what was that way that someone mentioned to send AT commands to the modem - or am I making that up |
| 14:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil |
| 14:01.58 | Dima202 | MohammadAG: why not? in /media you can make any folder name why is root dangerous/ |
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| 14:02.18 | MohammadAG | err |
| 14:02.28 | MohammadAG | mounting / to /media/root |
| 14:02.44 | MohammadAG | since root would be modifiable in the file manager |
| 14:02.45 | Dima202 | oh i c |
| 14:02.55 | mintux | can I have virtual maemo on my pc and do everything on it and test and destroy it and after that I undrestand what I should do, do it on real device ? |
| 14:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wouldn't you need permissions to do that? :-P |
| 14:03.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, everyone on tmo knows how to do that now |
| 14:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | or is FM run as root? |
| 14:03.43 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 14:03.56 | MohammadAG | not with the default desktop file |
| 14:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | so I don't see the problem |
| 14:05.24 | wall[e] | mintux, install sdk? |
| 14:05.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mount / to /media/root, start ossofilemanager as root, delete /usr cause it takes a lot of space |
| 14:05.46 | wall[e] | but that won't help with partitioning |
| 14:05.48 | MohammadAG | watch device go downhill from there |
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| 14:06.03 | mintux | wall[e]: why ? |
| 14:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | aaahyes (LOL |
| 14:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
| 14:06.31 | mintux | wall[e]: there is no partition on that environment ? |
| 14:06.32 | SpeedEvil | ooom |
| 14:06.40 | mintux | can I install maemo on pc ? |
| 14:06.51 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 14:06.52 | mintux | on virtual machine |
| 14:06.58 | SpeedEvil | Well - the SDK does that sort-of |
| 14:07.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, someone might interpet opt as optional, and delete it |
| 14:07.05 | MohammadAG | cause... it's optional! |
| 14:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: If you start anything as ROOT, there's pretty little sense in trying to protect the user doing this by means inside the started app |
| 14:07.17 | MohammadAG | (/sarcasm for those who don't know) |
| 14:07.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you haven't read a lot of tmo posts have you |
| 14:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: anybody able to start FM as root(!) is probably also able to rm -rf / in a xterm |
| 14:08.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that cleans up root right? :P |
| 14:08.31 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: No. |
| 14:08.32 | MohammadAG | s/cleans/frees |
| 14:08.35 | SpeedEvil | dd cleans it better |
| 14:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | honestly that's abysmal nonsense |
| 14:08.38 | ZogG | it does |
| 14:08.47 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that takes more time |
| 14:08.52 | ZogG | clean root and time in your life |
| 14:09.09 | ZogG | format c: |
| 14:09.10 | ZogG | =) |
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| 14:10.11 | MohammadAG | so DocScrutinizer ... dd if=/dev/mtd5 of=destination right? |
| 14:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to publish evil nasty hack to patch osso-fileselector widget to open / instead of /home/user/MyDocs |
| 14:10.41 | mintux | wall[e]: what is sdk exactly completely virtual environment of maemo and n900 ? so it should has virtual partitions too .. |
| 14:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | should be rather easy, with a hex editor |
| 14:10.51 | MohammadAG | why stop there... |
| 14:11.09 | MohammadAG | package i2cset and raise voltage to 30GV |
| 14:11.42 | wall[e] | mintux, it runs on existing system |
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| 14:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | no, I'll design a specific virus adapted to your particular type of non-founded sarcasm |
| 14:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | then spread that everywhere |
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| 14:13.36 | MohammadAG | riiight... |
| 14:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | I'll call it N |
| 14:13.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~n |
| 14:14.00 | infobot | n is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 14:14.14 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 14:14.23 | wall[e] | mintux, i think for the part you want, building a gnu/linux system from scratch is a better place to study. |
| 14:14.38 | wall[e] | ever do that? |
| 14:14.55 | wall[e] | i built my own in 95 |
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| 14:15.06 | mintux | wall[e]: no I didn't work with scratch before |
| 14:15.09 | MohammadAG | o/ Andrewfblack |
| 14:15.13 | mintux | but I'll do it |
| 14:15.21 | wall[e] | i love your theme |
| 14:15.23 | mintux | it's better to test something on device |
| 14:15.29 | mintux | :-D |
| 14:15.30 | Andrewfblack | hey MohammadAG |
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| 14:15.42 | wall[e] | mintux, yes it's fun too. |
| 14:15.59 | mintux | wall[e]: so for first step what should I do ? |
| 14:16.06 | wall[e] | and improve a lot of overall knowledge about system |
| 14:16.19 | wall[e] | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
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| 14:17.16 | mintux | wall[e]: so with that I can create any linux I want not maemo ? |
| 14:17.35 | wall[e] | mintux, will help you understand maemo a lot more |
| 14:17.44 | mintux | hmm |
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| 14:17.53 | wall[e] | or even built it from scratch |
| 14:18.27 | mintux | so what type of these model should I choose do you think? LFS or ALFS or ... ? |
| 14:18.31 | wall[e] | took time but worth it |
| 14:18.42 | mintux | yep |
| 14:18.43 | wall[e] | just read em all |
| 14:18.52 | wall[e] | lfs first |
| 14:18.56 | mintux | ok |
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| 14:20.12 | mintux | :-D walle is the name of that funny robot ? wall[e] |
| 14:20.24 | mintux | http://soandthus.blogs.com/so_and_thus/images/2008/02/04/walle.jpg |
| 14:20.25 | wall[e] | yes |
| 14:20.31 | mintux | :-Dlooool |
| 14:20.37 | wall[e] | :) |
| 14:20.46 | elstupidos | pixars best to date |
| 14:20.48 | wall[e] | i work in 3d industry. |
| 14:20.56 | mintux | hmm |
| 14:21.13 | wall[e] | doing cartoon and such |
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| 14:21.21 | elstupidos | i love how they can tell a story better with no words than 95% of the movies out |
| 14:21.27 | enpsgp | afternoon |
| 14:21.29 | mintux | and do you have any relation with that animated characters or just like it |
| 14:21.37 | wall[e] | mintux, i wish but no |
| 14:21.41 | wall[e] | i am only use blender |
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| 14:22.03 | wall[e] | coz i joined the church of emacs for yearsss |
| 14:22.29 | wall[e] | though i use vim |
| 14:22.30 | wall[e] | :) |
| 14:22.42 | mintux | wall[e]: are there any products that you worked on it ? |
| 14:22.50 | lardman | note to self, hope no-one phones while HAM is doing something |
| 14:22.58 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 14:23.07 | wall[e] | mintux, internal, no public release |
| 14:23.18 | mintux | hmm |
| 14:23.24 | wall[e] | yet |
| 14:23.46 | lardman | I just spent 20s hitting the green button and nothing happening, fail |
| 14:23.50 | mintux | what software do you use for it ? blender ? |
| 14:24.00 | wall[e] | yes |
| 14:24.08 | mintux | that's great |
| 14:24.28 | wall[e] | it is |
| 14:26.33 | mintux | wall[e]: when you have the n900 ? |
| 14:26.43 | wall[e] | since april? |
| 14:26.52 | wall[e] | yeh, mid april |
| 14:27.15 | mintux | and do you have previous device before it ? |
| 14:27.20 | wall[e] | yes |
| 14:27.24 | wall[e] | ericsson t68 |
| 14:27.38 | wall[e] | it's very cool |
| 14:27.41 | wall[e] | does imap and such |
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| 14:28.13 | mintux | hmm some of nokia products support wimax is it true ? like n810 wimax ? |
| 14:28.46 | mintux | woow |
| 14:29.00 | mintux | it was great if n900 support it too |
| 14:29.09 | GAN900 | lardman, I/O is such a huge bottleneck. |
| 14:29.15 | Myrtti | wimax is pretty dead in european point of view |
| 14:29.19 | Myrtti | LTE is the future |
| 14:29.43 | ZogG | mintux it depends on hw |
| 14:30.15 | GAN900 | mintux, no, the N900 does not support WiMAX. |
| 14:30.28 | mintux | but in my area is the newest technology and just a few months we have wimax here :P |
| 14:30.49 | wall[e] | next 10 years i'll get new cell phone |
| 14:31.00 | wall[e] | hope n900 last |
| 14:31.00 | ZogG | so buy ipad =) |
| 14:31.17 | wall[e] | kill me for that :) |
| 14:31.28 | MohammadAG | i'm not freenode staff |
| 14:31.33 | MohammadAG | otherwise i would've killed you |
| 14:31.35 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 14:31.35 | ZogG | n900â¹Â°Â° ? |
| 14:31.35 | happyblob | just curious as to whether anyone here has tried a non nokia Maemo phone? |
| 14:31.38 | wall[e] | haha |
| 14:32.06 | ZogG | happyblob, non nokia and non maemo =) |
| 14:32.22 | mintux | :-D |
| 14:32.29 | wall[e] | ask chinese they may interested |
| 14:33.06 | happyblob | I just ask 'cos I saw something about a ZTE V7 MID which looks interesting |
| 14:33.14 | wall[e] | i want that ipad knockoff device |
| 14:33.28 | happyblob | although i've still gotta decide if its ugly or not (i'm leaning towards it being so :D) |
| 14:33.33 | wall[e] | just hope it will not explosive |
| 14:33.40 | wall[e] | not be |
| 14:33.52 | wall[e] | running android |
| 14:34.22 | wall[e] | will use to base my own mobile os dev on it |
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| 14:34.55 | mintux | is works with n900 to discover anything it has and leaves the college lessons . he failed this term finally :P |
| 14:35.26 | wall[e] | better dig lfs |
| 14:35.28 | wall[e] | first |
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| 14:35.40 | wall[e] | will help and reduce time spent digging n900 |
| 14:35.46 | Trewas | transmission (the torrect client) kills n900 interactivity totally, I have seen several >30 second "pauses" where it reacts to absolutely nothing (even 10s press of power button) |
| 14:36.04 | wall[e] | Trewas, download file larger than 4gb? |
| 14:36.24 | Trewas | I wonder why it is that bad, at least transmission itself is not taking that much memory and at most 500k/s transfer does not sound too high amount of I/O |
| 14:36.24 | wall[e] | you can shell in and kill it |
| 14:36.31 | Trewas | wall[e]: no, few hundred of megabytes |
| 14:36.36 | jacekowski | Trewas: it is |
| 14:36.42 | wall[e] | uh strange, due to vfat? |
| 14:36.58 | lardman | GAN900, IO or is it CPU linked? |
| 14:37.00 | wall[e] | i download large file with rtorrent on ext3 and no problem |
| 14:37.02 | jacekowski | Trewas: it's network i/o + sd i/o + a lot of processing by torrent client |
| 14:37.04 | lardman | certainly pretty annoying |
| 14:37.28 | wall[e] | but i got the same result d/l on vfat with transmission |
| 14:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | want to kill your system? sudo cat /dev/kmem ;-P - reboots reliably |
| 14:38.26 | wall[e] | can or cat something into it? |
| 14:38.32 | wall[e] | cat or * |
| 14:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | just cat it |
| 14:38.48 | Trewas | jacekowski: I guess, still a bit surprising that it is much worse than any old pentium mmx would be with similar task given the processor/memory stats of n900 :) |
| 14:38.54 | wall[e] | oh nice |
| 14:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | core sigsegv |
| 14:39.01 | wall[e] | wonder why heh |
| 14:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | add 0 |
| 14:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | addr 0 |
| 14:39.21 | wall[e] | ah i see |
| 14:39.29 | jacekowski | Trewas: MHz doesn't say anything about performance |
| 14:39.46 | jacekowski | Trewas: 16MHz AVR is 4 times faster than 16MHz pic |
| 14:40.13 | Trewas | wall[e]: transmission seems to be a bit stupid though, maybe rtorrent is better... transmission often reports *huge* "unverified data" which implies that it has started transfering huge number of pieces at the same time, which makes no sense whatsoever |
| 14:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'd call it *almost* a bug |
| 14:40.41 | wall[e] | i never try rtorrent on vfat though |
| 14:40.50 | jacekowski | use rtorrent |
| 14:40.50 | wall[e] | neither transmission on ext3 |
| 14:40.55 | jacekowski | but rtorrent need a lot of ram |
| 14:41.07 | Macer | are there any portrait mode media players? |
| 14:41.08 | Trewas | jacekowski: I know, but I have seen claims that arm cortex a8 mhz is not that far from say intel atom mhz |
| 14:41.15 | jacekowski | it allocates chunk size for every connection |
| 14:41.22 | Macer | the sideways stuff is irritating |
| 14:41.25 | jacekowski | Trewas: but n900 is 600MHz |
| 14:41.37 | jacekowski | Trewas: torrent client uses lot of ram |
| 14:41.43 | wall[e] | can't you limit? |
| 14:41.44 | jacekowski | Trewas: which forces os to start swapping |
| 14:41.47 | Macer | considering that the jack is on the "bottom" |
| 14:41.51 | wall[e] | crash? |
| 14:41.54 | GAN900 | Guh, what's the name of the Maemo blog krisse writes for? |
| 14:42.04 | pexi | I would like to have side-talking in the next MaeGo phone |
| 14:42.04 | jacekowski | Trewas: and increases amount of io |
| 14:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: no, the jack is on the right side ;-P |
| 14:42.18 | Trewas | jacekowski: yeah, i guess the slowness is mostly due to kernel swapping stuff out to make room for caches |
| 14:42.26 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: if you say so :) |
| 14:42.55 | Macer | better to just run rtorrent somewhere and use ssh |
| 14:43.05 | Macer | then sftp it to the phone |
| 14:43.14 | moo---_ | there is some crazy person trying to run torrent on the phone? :o |
| 14:43.21 | jacekowski | Trewas: nah, caches are gone |
| 14:43.32 | jacekowski | Trewas: it's all resources used by torrent client |
| 14:43.45 | GAN900 | All About Maemo |
| 14:44.12 | Trewas | jacekowski: according to top transmission does not use all that much RAM or processor either |
| 14:44.29 | jacekowski | then it's probably loads of small io |
| 14:44.33 | mintux | what is the mail software on maemo ? |
| 14:44.41 | mintux | default |
| 14:45.35 | Macer | haha. it should be kind of obvious that running an torrent client on a 600MHz arm withrealistically 256M will slow down the phone |
| 14:45.41 | hrw | someone here uses mail-for-exchange to sync with gcalendar and not @gmail.com domain? |
| 14:45.53 | Macer | :) |
| 14:46.14 | Trewas | Macer: I would not mind slowness, but >30s pauses where the phone does reacts to nothing is a bit extreme :) |
| 14:46.16 | pexi | hmm. transmission runs *quite* nicely on several routes with less ram and cpu |
| 14:46.24 | pexi | *routers |
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| 14:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | gnaaaah |
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| 14:48.08 | Macer | Trewas: probably io like was said. writing bits to a file in multiple areas from multiple sources to an sd |
| 14:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | sd stress test? |
| 14:48.44 | GAN900 | Trewas, I/O is slow. |
| 14:48.44 | Macer | 20 0 132m 7060 5060 R 68.7 0.3 6:27.52 rtorrent |
| 14:49.11 | Macer | that is on a 1.8GHz system with 2G of ram |
| 14:49.41 | Macer | 0.3 of 2GB |
| 14:50.00 | Macer | not to mention the 68 percent of the core |
| 14:50.10 | mintux | mass storge just support vfat ? for connect by usb ? |
| 14:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | basically yes |
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| 14:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | as you're "supposed" to use nass storage frequently with PC that knows VFAT only |
| 14:51.39 | mintux | ok |
| 14:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | mass* |
| 14:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | you *can* export other fs as well |
| 14:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | but you'll probably have a hard time |
| 14:52.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, telling users how to fsck up their devices 1 by 1 |
| 14:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | /kick MohammadAG |
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| 14:53.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I dare you |
| 14:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: stop bitching. It's not my fault if you don't like meego |
| 14:54.40 | MohammadAG | meego? |
| 14:54.55 | MohammadAG | wonders if he missed something in the convo |
| 14:55.08 | MohammadAG | doesn't seem like it |
| 14:57.51 | hrw | ~curse maemo5 for crappy sync solutions |
| 14:57.52 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo5 for crappy sync solutions ! |
| 14:58.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, was jk btw :) |
| 14:58.37 | hrw | ermining has toolbar with missing icons and not usable logs. mfE cant connect to google account |
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| 15:05.40 | mintux | how can I run mysql server ? |
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| 15:09.11 | JakubS_ | hello |
| 15:09.33 | JakubS_ | during video playback (h264/aac) pulseaudio daemon takes over 20% cpu |
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| 15:10.06 | JakubS_ | is it possible to do something about it? like making sure that files use audio format that requires least processing? |
| 15:11.17 | GAN900 | Threading in Modest would be so nice. |
| 15:12.03 | Robot101 | GAN900: search first... :P |
| 15:12.08 | mintux | I installed mysql but it doesn't work . it said ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 15:13.07 | GAN900 | Robot101, search where? |
| 15:13.17 | Robot101 | GAN900: for modest |
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| 15:13.44 | MohammadAG | Robot101, there is search |
| 15:13.57 | MohammadAG | (at least in the latest package) |
| 15:14.02 | GAN900 | Robot101, ahaha |
| 15:14.07 | GAN900 | was confused |
| 15:14.26 | MohammadAG | yep, there is search here |
| 15:14.30 | GAN900 | I thought that was a Talk-style (you) search first |
| 15:14.30 | MohammadAG | just start typing |
| 15:14.44 | GAN900 | Not a (we need) search first. |
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| 15:15.03 | mintux | mysql is installed but it doesn't work can I come up mysal on easy-debian ? the php can connect to it ? |
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| 15:21.36 | e-yes | hi all. is initfs used somehow in n900? i see it's assumed initfs is present and mounted in /mnt/inifs in both Mer and Android rootfs' scripts. But mount output says nothing about initfs. |
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| 15:22.38 | e-yes | And after boot I see <no initfs> message in (?) bootloader |
| 15:24.20 | SystemParadox | afternoon. Does anyone know of a way to disable screen unlocking on keyboard slide out? |
| 15:27.28 | E0x | somebody with expirence with python-xlib ? |
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| 15:32.30 | GAN900 | e-yes, it's not. |
| 15:32.51 | GAN900 | e-yes, but I'm not sure of the details relating to Mer or Android. |
| 15:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: mark all as read first! :-D |
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| 15:35.53 | loufoque | is it normal I can't sign in to msn with pecan? |
| 15:35.57 | dneary | Hi |
| 15:36.01 | dneary | Who's around? |
| 15:36.22 | dneary | I'm looking for a volunteer or two to help me synthesise the brainstorm discussions into their wiki pages |
| 15:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | JakubS_: alas PA is broken by design and there's probably few you can do other than hope for Nokia doing a complete rework of audio system |
| 15:36.37 | dneary | Most of the discussions have been pretty tame, so not much synthesising to be done |
| 15:37.06 | dneary | And in those where there was discussion, the original idea just got knocked back and forth, and not necessarily modified/improved |
| 15:37.12 | JakubS_ | even changing resample to 'trivial' did not help. Not that it needs much resampling - my test file is 48kHz,2ch, le16 - exactly as alsa expects |
| 15:37.13 | dneary | Anyone have a few minutes to take on one? |
| 15:37.32 | dneary | I've already done news & planet and packages |
| 15:39.34 | dneary | GAN900, Busy? |
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| 15:39.38 | GAN900 | dneary, at work. |
| 15:39.44 | GAN900 | dneary, I can do cleanup tonight |
| 15:39.49 | dneary | OK |
| 15:40.01 | dneary | achipa, How about you, have a few minutes? |
| 15:40.22 | GAN900 | but not really available until after 2300 UTC |
| 15:40.24 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Or you? :) It's really very straightforward, I can guide you through the process |
| 15:40.44 | GAN900 | dneary, I'd love to see more discussion for the Brainstorm part. |
| 15:40.47 | achipa | dneary: here, sort of (at work) |
| 15:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* - shoot |
| 15:40.50 | GAN900 | I think we need more time |
| 15:40.51 | dneary | GAN900, No worries, I only have another 15 mins or so, so my choice is recruit or stop half way through :) |
| 15:40.53 | achipa | let me digest the history |
| 15:41.12 | ZogG | dneary hey |
| 15:41.15 | dneary | GAN900, I'm hoping that some synthesised discussions + a summary email will provoke discussion |
| 15:41.22 | GAN900 | Love to get an IRC session together and push it some more. |
| 15:41.25 | GAN900 | dneary, yeah. |
| 15:41.40 | dneary | GAN900, Or, perrhaps, the life is already gone out of Maemo & there's nothing to be done but wait for the coroner to come in & pronounce time of death? |
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| 15:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: go ahead or hush forever ;-P |
| 15:42.18 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Cool! |
| 15:42.47 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Let's look at "Community workings" (currently not much in the way of proposals) |
| 15:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | URL |
| 15:43.02 | dneary | Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53004 |
| 15:43.12 | dneary | Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Community_workings |
| 15:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: /query or here, for a template for others? |
| 15:43.59 | dneary | 2s - on phone |
| 15:44.01 | ZogG | dneary talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53400 |
| 15:44.10 | dneary | Let's keep it in channel |
| 15:44.24 | ZogG | damn chromium eats my http's =) |
| 15:44.45 | dneary | ZogG, Missed that |
| 15:45.10 | ZogG | dneary i got no comments, and my language is pretty poor to explain, but hope it is understandable |
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| 15:46.19 | GAN900 | dneary, well, at least we can put together the will and plan what we're going to bury it with. |
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| 15:47.09 | dneary | ZogG, It mighht have been better as a comment on the "Packages" thread than a separate thread |
| 15:47.30 | ZogG | okay - can you merge it? |
| 15:47.36 | microlith | ... |
| 15:47.41 | microlith | easy debian so feels like cheating |
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| 15:48.22 | ZogG | it's connected to packages, but the mirror thing i think can be separeted, anyway you decide =) |
| 15:48.33 | dneary | ZogG, I don't know how to do that (and no time now) |
| 15:49.19 | ZogG | dneary, okay, it was there for a while - so you would be able to merge when you figure out how, or you want me to make a new comment? |
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| 15:50.58 | dneary | ZogG, I think it would be best to ask a talk moderator to merge :) |
| 15:50.58 | dneary | ZogG, I don't believe I have the permissions |
| 15:51.08 | dneary | I've included your proposal in the http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Packages page |
| 15:51.16 | ZogG | if i knew who they are |
| 15:51.34 | ZogG | thnx |
| 15:51.52 | dneary | So - I'm back now |
| 15:52.11 | dneary | ZogG, GAN900 can point you in the direction of that information - I believe he is one |
| 15:52.39 | ZogG | kicks GAN900 |
| 15:52.46 | ZogG | GAN900, yo, ganster |
| 15:52.53 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: So - the basic idea is, edit the wiki page, and include anything which looks like a proposal from the Talk thread, attributing it to its proposer |
| 15:53.22 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: For community workings, that might be: |
| 15:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I see. Which wiki page? |
| 15:53.45 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: I linked to it |
| 15:53.51 | dneary | Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Community_workings |
| 15:54.01 | dneary | (right after "Talk thread:") |
| 15:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | though "community workings" maybe isn't a gentle start |
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| 15:55.00 | slonopotamus | idles |
| 15:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | too less technical for mee to start with, well almost |
| 15:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | for me |
| 15:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: anyway let me read it down to the bottom line first |
| 15:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: unless you maybe got a better starting point |
| 15:56.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: around? |
| 15:57.42 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Let's start with something else then |
| 15:58.04 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Garage and developer services |
| 15:58.11 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53003 |
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| 15:58.23 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Garage_and_developer_services |
| 15:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: k |
| 15:59.37 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: You hit "Edit page" on thhe wiki page, and then add a bullet list underneath: |
| 16:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | probably pretty much like the meego meeting minutes |
| 16:00.27 | dneary | "Add option to autobuilder not to add packages to repository on successful build, to allow submitter to test package built in autobuilder before shipping (gri)" |
| 16:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 16:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | "have an option to delete package instead of uploading (bundyo)" |
| 16:01.40 | SpeedEvil | But it compiles! |
| 16:01.43 | SpeedEvil | It must work! |
| 16:01.45 | dneary | "Allow submitter to scrap the package on a build failure, rather than requiring version bump (Bundyo)" |
| 16:01.45 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:01.48 | dneary | Yes, whatever |
| 16:02.11 | dneary | SpeedEvil, Sorry for my grammar comment on your Garage bug report - couldn't resist :) |
| 16:02.14 | SpeedEvil | What is the aim of this wikipage creating. |
| 16:02.23 | SpeedEvil | dneary: i blame my keyboard. |
| 16:02.30 | SpeedEvil | It's hardly a dealbreaker bug. :) |
| 16:02.57 | dneary | SpeedEvil, Synthesise discussion of brainstorms into proposals that we can prioritise & plan |
| 16:03.07 | SpeedEvil | I've been going through all my apps submitting bugreports for slightly irritating stuff. |
| 16:03.13 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 16:03.15 | dneary | (similar to what we did with "Task:" pages with the 100Days thing) |
| 16:03.24 | SpeedEvil | You mean that brainstorm is not a suitable forum? |
| 16:03.26 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:03.47 | dneary | SpeedEvil, Brainstorm on Maemo has been a failed social effort |
| 16:03.55 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like something I might look at. |
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| 16:04.14 | SpeedEvil | Good for times you're not feeling constructive. |
| 16:04.14 | dneary | People submitting issues don't know what effect their submission has, developers don't know what to do with it, and the interface is a bit of a pain |
| 16:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: what does the ToDo list look like (in terms of threads to process)? |
| 16:04.55 | dneary | SpeedEvil, Yes - that is one problem. Brainstorm's primary goal from the point of view of developers is to channel complaining somewhere they're not reading |
| 16:05.06 | dneary | That only works as long as the complainers don't cop on |
| 16:05.28 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: There are 8 threads, I've done 2, in progress on a 3rd |
| 16:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Yes - and it's even worse - as it's poking users with the illusion of change. |
| 16:05.37 | E0x | indeed |
| 16:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why dneary asked him to contribute his pidgin english to the wiki :-P |
| 16:05.56 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: X-Chat2 English |
| 16:06.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: There is worse english on the wiki. |
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| 16:10.09 | GAN900 | ZogG, sjgadsby. |
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| 16:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: may I point to the CSS bug I reported, and frown a little |
| 16:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: please toss and empty bullet list template into http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Brainstorm_2010/Garage_and_developer_services&action=edit |
| 16:12.40 | crashanddie | for crying out loud, I want PR1.2. I'm sick of having a half functionning Qt environment. Bollocks to Nokia; long enough a wait already. |
| 16:13.05 | lbt | crashanddie: that ought to do it :) |
| 16:13.20 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, wednesday is the rumored release date |
| 16:13.37 | MohammadAG | some "Nokia Italy" 'confirmed' it on facebook |
| 16:13.40 | MohammadAG | which is.. weird |
| 16:13.56 | Appiah | I dont trust facebook |
| 16:14.18 | MohammadAG | that's why i said 'confirmed' |
| 16:14.20 | slonopotamus | crashanddie: are we there yet? :) |
| 16:14.49 | Appiah | :) |
| 16:15.04 | slonopotamus | (you don't want pr1.2 actually) |
| 16:15.19 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: i think 1.2 will give you yet another "not the qt someone else is looking for" :) |
| 16:15.39 | MohammadAG | 4.7 problems here we come |
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| 16:16.13 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: List example in place |
| 16:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | expectations rise each day the rollout is delayed |
| 16:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: thnx |
| 16:16.38 | BCMM | ever since i installed extra codecs, media player has been reporting no music and no videos |
| 16:16.47 | BCMM | is there a way to force it to rescan? |
| 16:16.59 | crashanddie | BCMM: delete the cache, or reboot |
| 16:17.09 | BCMM | crashanddie: where is yhe cace? |
| 16:17.12 | BCMM | i have rebooted |
| 16:17.14 | achipa | timeless_mbp: well, considering the fuss around 1.2 one really has to wonder what changed wrt Qt :S |
| 16:18.38 | crashanddie | BCMM: tracker-processes --hard-reset |
| 16:18.46 | timeless_mbp | achipa: 1.2 goes to qt4.6 |
| 16:19.00 | timeless_mbp | but it's unclear whether anyone will ship 4.6 in a fcs product |
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| 16:19.17 | timeless_mbp | infobot: fcs? |
| 16:19.19 | ZogG | <GAN900> ZogG, sjgadsby is it nickname? |
| 16:19.22 | achipa | timeless_mbp: but really, what's the difference wrt to PR1.1 and libqt4-maemo5 ? |
| 16:19.39 | timeless_mbp | achipa: what version of qt4 is in libqt4-maemo5? |
| 16:19.45 | timeless_mbp | it's probably qt4.5<whatever> |
| 16:19.55 | achipa | git310 |
| 16:19.59 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 16:20.01 | Torne | does anyone know how the eMMC gets set up on the n900 when you flash it? the MMC image only appears to contain the FAT filesystem image, not the partition table or anything to go on the othe rpartitions. |
| 16:20.19 | slonopotamus | your naming scheme is broken |
| 16:20.24 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: You actually have some debate in your thread, cool! |
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| 16:20.35 | achipa | if there are any extra fixes in there, they could have been just as well applied to libqt4-maemo5 |
| 16:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: yeah. Trying to aggregate |
| 16:21.34 | dneary | Docscrutinizer: For an example, here's my synthesis of the community workings discussion: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Community_workings#Community_workings |
| 16:22.34 | GAN900 | ZogG, yes, of a supermod on Talk. |
| 16:23.00 | ZogG | thnx |
| 16:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: you're cheating. 75% are your own contributions. That's just too easy :-P |
| 16:23.53 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: It gives me liberty to ignore criticism too ;) |
| 16:26.08 | dneary | Anyone else want to join in? Downloads is short & easy |
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| 16:26.37 | dneary | Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52998 |
| 16:26.46 | dneary | Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Downloads |
| 16:27.19 | dneary | Bugzilla is even shorter: |
| 16:27.22 | kthomas_vh | lol |
| 16:27.30 | dneary | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53002 |
| 16:27.46 | dneary | Needs synthesising here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Bugzilla |
| 16:29.42 | Macer | hm |
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| 16:30.16 | dneary | kthomas_vh, lol? |
| 16:30.18 | dneary | Why?N |
| 16:30.29 | dneary | Macer, Do you have a minute to helpp out? |
| 16:30.34 | dneary | I'm afraid I have to go now |
| 16:30.39 | dneary | 3 threads left |
| 16:30.57 | dneary | Talk & Mailing lists is the 3rd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53000 |
| 16:31.04 | dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Talk_and_mailing_lists |
| 16:31.35 | kthomas_vh | ^^^^easily amused when tired :) |
| 16:33.12 | timeless_mbp | dneary: where's the bugzilla thing? |
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| 16:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | talk&ml, OMG |
| 16:33.52 | Macer | huh? |
| 16:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | just for the topic ;-P |
| 16:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | could easily evolve into a 90 pages thread |
| 16:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | haven't looked at it |
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| 16:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | a quote of my favourite band (KC): "I did things like not looking at it for a whole week - then looking at it to see if I still *hate* it. I DID!" |
| 16:39.04 | dneary | timeless_mbp, Wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010/Bugzilla |
| 16:39.22 | dneary | timeless_mbp, Talk thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53002 |
| 16:39.51 | dneary | Only ones left to do now are Bugzilla & Downloads |
| 16:39.58 | dneary | Gotta go |
| 16:40.18 | dneary | Will try to pop in later & move things along over the next couple of days while I'm not here :} |
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| 16:54.22 | ZogG | MohammadAG, hey |
| 16:54.31 | MohammadAG | o/ |
| 16:54.45 | MohammadAG | ~seen ossipena |
| 16:54.48 | infobot | ossipena <~timo@a91-156-160-235.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16d 2h 49s ago, saying: 'mohammadag, nothing else. well, backspace improvement code that is commented'. |
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| 16:57.15 | ZogG | Allow easy mirroring of package repository (ZogG, in this thread) |
| 16:57.25 | ZogG | MohammadAG have you tried meego? |
| 16:58.00 | tripzero | mmmmeego |
| 16:58.07 | MohammadAG | yeah, it says bash-3.2$ |
| 16:58.28 | tripzero | GM should have gone with meego instead of android :S |
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| 16:58.43 | lbt | MohammadAG: but it uses GL to do it... |
| 16:59.44 | MohammadAG | lbt, now i'm impressed! |
| 17:00.01 | lbt | nods sagely |
| 17:00.16 | lbt | you should see a btrfs listing fly by now! |
| 17:00.40 | MohammadAG | lbt, does it use Qt to draw the terminal window? |
| 17:01.25 | lbt | sadly not.... btrfs uses 945Mb for metadata so they can't fit Qt anymore... |
| 17:01.33 | lbt | hence the xterm |
| 17:01.46 | lcuk | *blink* |
| 17:02.03 | lbt | don't do that lcuk, you'll miss it |
| 17:02.17 | ZogG | hm |
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| 17:02.41 | ZogG | is there anyway to install WM on meego? =) |
| 17:02.57 | lbt | yum ? |
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| 17:03.28 | visz | what are you running meego on? |
| 17:03.30 | Ikarus | ZogG: WM ? |
| 17:03.54 | ZogG | WindowsManager |
| 17:03.58 | ZogG | like openbox |
| 17:04.02 | ZogG | any *box |
| 17:04.19 | ZogG | or awesome |
| 17:04.19 | Ikarus | aaah |
| 17:04.26 | ZogG | DE has WM in it also |
| 17:04.34 | ZogG | metacity or compiz in e.g. |
| 17:04.38 | Ikarus | ZogG: yeah, I was hoping you meant that definition |
| 17:04.49 | Ikarus | not sure how though, Meego is pretty bare at the moment |
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| 17:04.52 | ZogG | xfwm4 in xfce4 |
| 17:04.55 | ZogG | and so on |
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| 17:05.32 | ZogG | Ikarus, i read tmo about flash and maemo and so on and i dunno who is saying truth |
| 17:05.37 | ZogG | so i'm looking forward |
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| 17:07.21 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 17:10.35 | MohammadAG | blinks back at lcuk |
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| 17:12.39 | tybollt_ | ugh |
| 17:12.44 | tybollt_ | fucking update icon |
| 17:13.11 | tybollt_ | everytime I see it my heart skip ERANGE of beats my thinking it might be THE ONE... :) |
| 17:13.19 | tybollt_ | but naw - some random silly app >:P |
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| 17:16.27 | GAN900 | Haha |
| 17:16.45 | GAN900 | They need to have a fanfare sound to play for the real ones. |
| 17:16.58 | MiXu- | Can someone help me with deb packaging... Where do I put my .desktop file for example? |
| 17:17.53 | MiXu- | Or do I need to do the copying to proper directory with a postinstall script? |
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| 17:21.41 | tybollt_ | GAN900: ;P |
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| 17:23.58 | satmd | found an interesting question |
| 17:24.14 | satmd | is it possible to see wether a n900 works in gsm unencrypted mode? |
| 17:24.36 | tybollt_ | oi |
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| 17:24.38 | SpeedEvil | Connect it to an openBTS |
| 17:24.51 | Bilaw | hey there! |
| 17:24.55 | SpeedEvil | http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:25.04 | SpeedEvil | satmd: What ar eyou really asking? |
| 17:25.05 | satmd | I was wondering about detection of imsi catching |
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| 17:27.17 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it will tell you. |
| 17:27.33 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how prevalent theattack is in the wild - I suspect not very. |
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| 17:28.08 | satmd | true, but still was interesting to know if this is possible with current hardware or not |
| 17:28.22 | SpeedEvil | Also - there are worse problems. |
| 17:28.22 | satmd | hoped to find a register to query |
| 17:28.37 | satmd | like? |
| 17:29.01 | satmd | the provider spying directly? yeah |
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| 17:29.29 | SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/26/1736253/All-GSM-Phones-Open-To-Attack-Tracking?from=rss |
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| 17:29.54 | Arkenoi | oh sh*t. after a few days uptime it happened again: no memory hogs, no high cpu load, no high io load -- and almost non-responsive desktop :-/ |
| 17:30.02 | SpeedEvil | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published |
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| 17:30.09 | SpeedEvil | while true |
| 17:30.09 | SpeedEvil | do |
| 17:30.11 | SpeedEvil | sleep 30 |
| 17:30.19 | SpeedEvil | ps;cat /proc/vmstat |
| 17:30.20 | SpeedEvil | done |
| 17:30.28 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 17:30.29 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, could you please convert mbx sources to unix line endings? |
| 17:30.36 | Andy80 | any eCoach developer here around? |
| 17:31.05 | satmd | yeah, my good friends at ccc |
| 17:31.06 | satmd | ;) |
| 17:33.12 | Bilaw | hey there: when I try to install the new kernel kernel 2.6.28.10, I get a message saying «downloading of kernel-power-flasher impossible, unable to find application». Can you tell me what I get wrong? |
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| 17:36.57 | VDVsx | Andy80, eCoach is one man project :D |
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| 17:37.34 | Andy80 | VDVsx: eCoach just lost my running logs :( no way to recover them.... |
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| 17:38.23 | Andy80 | VDVsx: no way to stop the current activity, I missclicked on "X" button, "there is a current activity, are you sure you want to close?" I pressed "NO" and eCoach closed anyway |
| 17:38.27 | Andy80 | ffs -.- |
| 17:39.11 | VDVsx | Andy80, I don't use that app so dunno, but know some people that use it, are you using last version ? |
| 17:39.23 | Andy80 | VDVsx: yes... 1.62 |
| 17:39.29 | frals | reporting those bugs to the developer is a good start id say :) |
| 17:39.41 | Andy80 | VDVsx: and even the upload to heiaheia failed (using an old log) |
| 17:40.05 | VDVsx | Andy80, Sampo told me that there are some nasty bugs in last version in -extras-devel |
| 17:40.09 | Andy80 | I used Nokia Sport Tracker once, on my N73 but it doesn't have gps and I had to use an external bt receiver |
| 17:40.33 | Andy80 | VDVsx: ouch :\ maybe I should have used the stable 1.61 ? |
| 17:42.28 | Andy80 | VDVsx: the fact is that I keep extras-devel enable to help in reporting bugs, but I didn't know that the version of eCoach I had installed came from extras-devel and not just extras, my fail then :\ |
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| 17:42.46 | VDVsx | Andy80, report the bugs :D |
| 17:43.11 | Andy80 | VDVsx: a bit difficoult to reproduce, but I'll try |
| 17:46.07 | Andy80 | VDVsx: changing "topic", there is someone on Facebook called "Nokia Italia" that rumors about p.r. 1.2 for this wednsday.... |
| 17:46.26 | Andy80 | VDVsx: nothing against "rumors", but maybe he shouldn't name itself "Nokia Italia" ? |
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| 17:46.53 | Andy80 | VDVsx: http://www.nokioteca.net/blog/2010/05/in-arrivo-il-nuovo-firmware-pr1-2-per-n900/ |
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| 17:47.56 | VDVsx | Andy80, lol, tip Nokia to sue him, hihihi |
| 17:48.12 | VDVsx | sues SpeedEvil |
| 17:48.20 | VDVsx | :D |
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| 17:49.09 | Andy80 | VDVsx: uhm... look the profile on facebook, actually it looks like official one O_o |
| 17:49.20 | Andy80 | VDVsx: and magically you cannot find that post anymore :P |
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| 17:49.47 | VDVsx | can be, but isn't PR 1.2 just a rumor ? :D :D |
| 17:49.56 | tripzero | lol |
| 17:49.57 | tripzero | prolly |
| 17:50.09 | SpeedEvil | PR1.2 is the last, best hope for peace. |
| 17:50.17 | VDVsx | not sure if it really exist :D |
| 17:50.32 | SpeedEvil | Oh - sorry - that was the Babylon stations. |
| 17:50.43 | SpeedEvil | I always confuse those. |
| 17:50.44 | Andy80 | VDVsx: lol :D |
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| 17:51.27 | Andy80 | VDVsx: well... I tell you a secret... it will be released on 2011 February, 31th :D |
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| 17:52.04 | VDVsx | Andy80, with support for the 770 :D |
| 17:52.13 | Andy80 | ofc :) |
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| 17:58.07 | MohammadAG | weird, my sim wasn't being detected |
| 17:58.32 | MohammadAG | and when i checked it, it was sticky (like it melted or sth) |
| 18:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I cursed it |
| 18:01.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it kind of spelled JR with the glue :P |
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| 18:09.06 | GAN900 | "Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900" |
| 18:09.19 | GAN900 | Gotta love it. |
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| 18:10.28 | jaska | disabling flash was the first thing i did in microb :) |
| 18:10.43 | GAN900 | Flashblock CSS |
| 18:10.54 | johnsq | is there a way to simulate with xephyr a touchscreen? |
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| 18:11.13 | MohammadAG | X11 server? |
| 18:11.43 | johnsq | MohammadAG: xephyr is a xserver in a window. |
| 18:11.54 | tripzero | you can simulate a touchscreen by imagining your mouse is your finger |
| 18:11.58 | MohammadAG | i know what xephyr is |
| 18:12.14 | MohammadAG | it's needed by the sdk |
| 18:13.30 | johnsq | tripzero: but it sends enter and leave window events, which a touchscreen sends before you click at the point. |
| 18:14.01 | tripzero | touchscreen apps should ignore window leave/enter events |
| 18:14.42 | tripzero | in the very least sense the developer can ignore those events |
| 18:14.51 | tripzero | cuz touchscreens have no concept of enter/leave |
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| 18:15.32 | MohammadAG | looks up sense |
| 18:15.40 | MohammadAG | sense: word not found |
| 18:16.33 | tripzero | since* |
| 18:16.34 | tripzero | ;) |
| 18:16.48 | tripzero | blames xchat |
| 18:17.03 | MohammadAG | right.... |
| 18:17.03 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 18:17.08 | tripzero | and the failure of the school system |
| 18:17.25 | MohammadAG | umm sense exists |
| 18:17.31 | MohammadAG | as a word |
| 18:17.35 | tripzero | not in that sense though |
| 18:17.45 | MohammadAG | i was blaming devs for not having it :P |
| 18:17.53 | tripzero | oh, heh :P |
| 18:18.04 | tripzero | nope, i don't have that either |
| 18:18.18 | tripzero | especially not the common form of it |
| 18:18.34 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 18:19.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I sense nonsense |
| 18:19.22 | MohammadAG | enters a loop |
| 18:20.03 | MohammadAG | (on an off topic (kind of) note, fedora works, but the N900 doesn't have a HW clock/BIOS-like clock) |
| 18:20.16 | MohammadAG | so the pass resets every minute (and I have to change it) |
| 18:20.16 | Ikarus | MohammadAG: actually it does have one |
| 18:20.24 | SpeedEvil | umm - yes it does |
| 18:20.35 | SpeedEvil | (though it is broken on suspend to RAM - wich is annoying) |
| 18:20.36 | MohammadAG | not for other OSs though right? |
| 18:20.39 | SpeedEvil | On that topic. |
| 18:20.49 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone know how to talk to the modem with AT commands? |
| 18:20.57 | MohammadAG | not me |
| 18:21.03 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: there is a sample on the wiki to send SMSes that way |
| 18:21.11 | ZogG | GAN900> They need to have a fanfare sound to play for the real ones. [brainstorm 2010] |
| 18:21.16 | MohammadAG | oh the phone modem |
| 18:21.23 | MohammadAG | AT? |
| 18:21.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:21.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: WUT?? the rtc is messed up on suspend to ram?? |
| 18:21.32 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: oh |
| 18:21.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 18:21.45 | ZogG | it's not only phone modem |
| 18:21.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | impossible |
| 18:21.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - I'm not saying the RTC |
| 18:22.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I mean - the time is not preopetly kept over suspend-ram |
| 18:22.06 | ZogG | it's any modem'/me is thinking about old BBS |
| 18:22.09 | ZogG | and fido net |
| 18:22.13 | MohammadAG | Fedora keeps reporting 31 Dec 1999 (or similar) |
| 18:22.25 | MohammadAG | even after setting it |
| 18:22.39 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS |
| 18:22.39 | SpeedEvil | is reminded of explaining 600 quid phone-bills to parents. |
| 18:22.40 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 18:22.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | which is caused by kernel not doing a hwclock -hctosys |
| 18:22.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: likely\ |
| 18:23.40 | MohammadAG | shall i comment it out? :P |
| 18:24.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | well MohammadAG - that doesn't always work :-D |
| 18:25.06 | ZogG | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=673668#post673668 - HAHA |
| 18:26.42 | MohammadAG | the N95 wasn't exactly the device with most apps |
| 18:27.01 | MohammadAG | on the HW side it owned the iPhone 2G |
| 18:27.36 | RST38h | n95...meh |
| 18:27.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it wouldn't hurt to try *comments out NOLO* |
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| 18:30.05 | Arkenoi | btw n95 is still one of best selling phones in US |
| 18:30.31 | GAN900 | Arkenoi, care to cite that? |
| 18:30.31 | Arkenoi | i thought it is not manufactured anymore for years |
| 18:30.38 | Arkenoi | no, it is still alive |
| 18:30.39 | jacekowski | well, it is the best phone |
| 18:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ARRGH! where's the "kick ass" button? Or can I remove thanks I never gave? |
| 18:30.46 | GAN900 | I haven't seen one in years |
| 18:30.57 | GAN900 | And I see at least 3 iPhones a day |
| 18:30.58 | jacekowski | GAN900: it's most popular phone in the UK |
| 18:31.15 | GAN900 | jacekowski, that's not the US, however. ;) |
| 18:31.29 | jacekowski | but well, i've been in US some time ago |
| 18:31.43 | cato` | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones |
| 18:31.55 | jacekowski | and i went to at&t shop and they had no nokia handsets |
| 18:32.08 | GAN900 | How long ago? |
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| 18:32.13 | GAN900 | They have 2 or 3 right now |
| 18:32.29 | Ikarus | the N900 is pretty damn rare in actual stores here |
| 18:32.32 | GAN900 | But Nokia doesn't generally play ball with the US carriers. |
| 18:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | Ticket; Improvement; system: tmo: Add a "blame" button please! allow to push that several times, to accumulate |
| 18:32.36 | jacekowski | GAN900: last summer |
| 18:32.55 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 18:32.57 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer you can remove. but how am i connected |
| 18:33.03 | GAN900 | jacekowski, E71x and that Surge thing are both available right now. |
| 18:33.17 | ZogG | ~pr1.2 =) |
| 18:33.18 | jacekowski | i doubt anything will beat 1100 and 3210 |
| 18:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you posted that tmo url |
| 18:33.28 | ZogG | jacekowski 3310 |
| 18:33.38 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer so - it's funny |
| 18:33.43 | SpeedEvil | 3310++ |
| 18:33.44 | jacekowski | ZogG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones |
| 18:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's AAAARRRRGH |
| 18:34.06 | SpeedEvil | 3310 - in some ways better than my n900. |
| 18:34.15 | jacekowski | battery life? |
| 18:34.20 | SpeedEvil | 'Oh - I'm sitting on my phone - I'd better get up - it's uncomfortable.' |
| 18:34.30 | SpeedEvil | vs 'Plz be ok, Plz be ok...' |
| 18:34.47 | GAN900 | Nothing's beaten the Model T either |
| 18:35.09 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i dropped my n900 from quite height |
| 18:35.16 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, how's that diet coming along? :P |
| 18:35.18 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: and except minor scratches it's fin |
| 18:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: Fred Flintstone's car :-P |
| 18:36.05 | sECuRE | is there a way to get the number of a missed call when you have an address book entry with multiple numbers? |
| 18:36.06 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: I'm at 77.4Kg or so - my aim is 76.5 - down from 97 in Oct. |
| 18:36.10 | jacekowski | fine* |
| 18:36.11 | zaheerm-lp | when building packages in scratchbox is DEB_ARCH set? |
| 18:36.36 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, awesome |
| 18:36.51 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/weight.gif |
| 18:36.52 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.03 | SpeedEvil | N900 made it possible! :) |
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| 18:38.24 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: how high are you? |
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| 18:40.01 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, how did you achieve that? |
| 18:40.13 | RST38h | "Leaving Nokia for life!" (c)tmo |
| 18:40.19 | RST38h | Arkenoi moo |
| 18:40.38 | pupnik | Protip, bring a towel or sheet if you use german public transportation. Or your +ss will smell like homeless person for days. |
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| 18:41.35 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Calorie counting. |
| 18:41.40 | Stskeeps | you smell your ass often? |
| 18:41.56 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: And planning inexpensive meals in order to pay for the n900. |
| 18:42.03 | pupnik | whenever it stinks to high heaven |
| 18:42.04 | RST38h | pupnik <--- making RST38h doubt famous German ordnung |
| 18:42.21 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: I found http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/ of use. Though in some ways it sucks. |
| 18:42.58 | Arkenoi | speedevil: and exactly how many calories daily? |
| 18:43.24 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Early on - ~1700. |
| 18:43.38 | SpeedEvil | Now ~2100 |
| 18:43.51 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: yum, healthy amounts :) |
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| 18:44.10 | FauxFaux | sits here eating 1000 calories of chese with biscuits, don't link things like that. /o |
| 18:44.20 | Ikarus | brrr |
| 18:44.27 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
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| 18:44.32 | SpeedEvil | Avoid diet-food. |
| 18:44.39 | FauxFaux | Eat cheese instead. |
| 18:44.46 | SpeedEvil | Work out what you like to eat that happens to be healthy. |
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| 18:44.55 | SpeedEvil | A good example. |
| 18:44.57 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: well, don't avoid it, but eat the sensible sort, ie, which is naturally low fat/carbohydrates |
| 18:44.57 | pupnik | well said |
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| 18:45.08 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I imagine you can't help but if it smells like homeless person. :P |
| 18:45.24 | SpeedEvil | Do you A) have a huge slice of cheese - or B) Have a smaller slice of really nice cheese and actually prepare it so you taste it. |
| 18:45.42 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: given the choice between two pizzas, go for the one with more vegetables and less cheese and meat :) |
| 18:45.54 | Ikarus | don't care that the vegetable one is offered as diet |
| 18:46.00 | pupnik | salads with every meal is good |
| 18:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: Personally, I'd go for the cheese and meat - but half the size |
| 18:46.05 | Ikarus | pupnik: yup |
| 18:46.09 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: also a good option |
| 18:46.26 | Ikarus | and get creative |
| 18:46.30 | pupnik | i should do that now |
| 18:46.51 | Ikarus | canned soup makes for a good pasta sauce when allowed to thicken a bit, while being less then half the calories and as much vegetables |
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| 18:47.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | is counting the calories of his 3 latte macchiato today, and concludes he finally needs breakfast URGENTLY |
| 18:48.15 | SpeedEvil | As another example - stuff fried in really nice olive oil can taste a whole lot better. So much so that you may actually not miss the slightly bigger portion that much |
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| 18:56.27 | RST38h | [saidstically] SpeedEvil: BTW, fried/roasted foods are bad for you |
| 18:56.32 | RST38h | Causing cancer |
| 18:56.52 | SpeedEvil | On balance - being 20Kg overweight is also bad for you. |
| 18:56.53 | RST38h | Even if you prepare a smaller amount =) |
| 18:57.04 | RST38h | Pretty much everything in life is bad for you |
| 18:57.17 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 18:57.18 | RST38h | That *includes* Internet. And cell phones. |
| 18:57.35 | RST38h | And reading (bad for eyes). And walking (your spine bends). |
| 18:57.57 | zash | And forks in eyeball! |
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| 18:58.17 | SpeedEvil | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm |
| 18:58.29 | RST38h | zash: depends on who that eyeball belongs to |
| 18:58.36 | RST38h | cackles and goes off to get his omelette |
| 18:59.07 | SpeedEvil | prepares some special sauce for RST38hs omelette. |
| 19:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | (fried/roasted foods are bad for you) that's why mankind vanished from earth on invention of fire :-P |
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| 19:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | so what? Live is a disease spread by sexual intercourse, and it has a 100% lethality prognosis |
| 19:03.44 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: there's a massive difference between fried and cooked. |
| 19:04.03 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: and that should've been "Life", not "live" |
| 19:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
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| 19:05.12 | crashanddie | fried foods are seriously bad. Because they are usually pre-processed foods |
| 19:05.28 | korhojoa_ | ah goddamnit |
| 19:05.52 | korhojoa_ | people, how do you compile stuff for the n900? i've been trying, but the thing just says "c++ compiler cannot create executables" |
| 19:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: the cooking pot took quite a few 10,000 years longer to get invented than use of fire for frying meat |
| 19:06.19 | Ikarus | korhojoa_: uh, SDK and using dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 19:06.22 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: except that in English, frying usually has the connotation "deep frying" |
| 19:06.28 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: as in, cooked in boiling oil. |
| 19:06.41 | Ikarus | fried and roasted is actually both fine |
| 19:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Not here |
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| 19:06.54 | Ikarus | fried when done with the right oils at the right temperatures to the right foods |
| 19:06.56 | korhojoa_ | Ikarus: damnit. So I have to download that? Not possible to compile on the device? |
| 19:07.00 | Ikarus | roasting, just about anything |
| 19:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, that's clearly to blame to my technical English then |
| 19:07.06 | Ikarus | korhojoa_: I wouldn't do it |
| 19:07.11 | korhojoa_ | Ikarus: why not? |
| 19:07.12 | Ikarus | korhojoa_: but ti should in theory work |
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| 19:07.25 | Ikarus | korhojoa_: because the needed development libs take up quite soms space ? |
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| 19:07.37 | korhojoa_ | it's got space on the eMMC :D |
| 19:07.54 | Ikarus | korhojoa_: yeah, except they have to go into standard locations |
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| 19:08.44 | korhojoa_ | Ikarus: links never hurt anyone |
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| 19:28.12 | GAN900 | RST38h, ping? |
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| 19:34.16 | roquetto | re |
| 19:35.29 | roquetto | question: i need to write an applicatio nwhich uses libosso-abook - im a total newbie, i suppose i need the maemo sdk, right? so my computer is x86_64 - what should I do? chroot? go for a vm? |
| 19:35.34 | roquetto | any suggestions? |
| 19:36.07 | Funnyface | uhm I tried that little charger adapter with my N900, using some nokia 3310 charger, the N900 says "charging" but the charging led seems to flicker and is not as bright as with the USB cable or wall charger, is that a bad thing? :> |
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| 19:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | yes, as indicator LED brightness on a booted N900 shouldn't correlate to charging voltage/current |
| 19:38.11 | Funnyface | hmm |
| 19:38.16 | korhojoa_ | Funnyface: what also doesn't work is a usb power supply powered by 4xAAA batteries going through the pop-port data+charging cable and then through the adapter to the phone |
| 19:38.36 | korhojoa_ | it does the same thing |
| 19:38.37 | korhojoa_ | flickers |
| 19:38.44 | korhojoa_ | then after a while goes white |
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| 19:39.05 | korhojoa_ | it's like it's trying, but going "ah fuck it, I give up" after a few seconds :D |
| 19:39.16 | Funnyface | hehe |
| 19:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | overcurrent protection of external supply? |
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| 19:39.26 | korhojoa_ | doubt it |
| 19:39.31 | loufoque | is it normal that neither pecan nor haze works for MSN? I simply can't sign in. |
| 19:39.33 | korhojoa_ | more like can't supply enough |
| 19:39.33 | Funnyface | well I pulled off those tiny jags from the USB plug |
| 19:39.37 | ak5 | hello, can I install maemo on a droid? |
| 19:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | with foldback |
| 19:39.42 | Funnyface | so it doesn't put as much wear on the USB jack |
| 19:39.56 | loufoque | ak5: not likely |
| 19:39.58 | Funnyface | my neighbour managed to tear it off the other week |
| 19:40.07 | korhojoa_ | well that sucks |
| 19:40.15 | ak5 | loufoque: sucks, I won this thing, now I am probably gonna have to sell it |
| 19:40.39 | Funnyface | and I have always been worried, reading about others with the same problem, so I think it was time to pull those off :p |
| 19:40.49 | korhojoa_ | ak5: you won a droid? |
| 19:40.54 | ak5 | korhojoa_: jah |
| 19:40.55 | korhojoa_ | why are you selling it then? |
| 19:40.59 | Funnyface | oh and my external supply should be able to provide 350mA |
| 19:41.01 | ak5 | cause I want maemo |
| 19:41.07 | korhojoa_ | i mean, help get android on the n900 with it |
| 19:41.14 | korhojoa_ | hop on #nitdroid |
| 19:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa_: can't supply enough ~= OC-protection triggers |
| 19:41.38 | ak5 | Why would I want android? I want linux? |
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| 19:41.53 | korhojoa_ | DocScrutinizer: it's not that fancy. Just got a simple voltage regulator |
| 19:42.02 | johnsq | ak5: android is linux under the hood |
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| 19:42.16 | ak5 | johnsq: I am scared of google, I want no part of it |
| 19:42.22 | Funnyface | it's also a voltage booster |
| 19:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | depending on characteristics of PSU it either lowers voltage until current is within limits, or it switches down completely (foldback) |
| 19:42.50 | wall[e] | i changed the machine and forget the usb host mode channel name again no this is not my secret plan to promote the channel. |
| 19:42.57 | korhojoa_ | DocScrutinizer: it doesn't even get hot, which i'd expect it to do first before giving up |
| 19:43.13 | wall[e] | but it's okay |
| 19:43.24 | wall[e] | will get back to it from home |
| 19:43.29 | korhojoa_ | DocScrutinizer: then again, it could be like +50 inside temporarily and not heat up on the outside enough to be noticable |
| 19:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | nah, a nice OC-shutdown will keep the PSU cool like ice |
| 19:43.52 | wall[e] | anyone know a good silc client for maemo btw? |
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| 19:44.09 | wall[e] | irsii keeps segfaulting on me |
| 19:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | and depending on type of foldback OC-prot, it either keeps off until mains power removed, or it restarts periodically |
| 19:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | which might explain flickering |
| 19:45.12 | Funnyface | I hate the PSUs that switch back on immediately after cutting off |
| 19:45.24 | Funnyface | it goes into an endless loop of "power on", "power off" |
| 19:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | yep. especially the "electronic" switched PSUs do that |
| 19:46.32 | Kegetys | how about those that cut off and never turn on again ;) |
| 19:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes several 10s of times / second |
| 19:48.12 | Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: I have some power inverter, if the battery or wiring can't supply enough power to it, it cuts off, then the full supply voltage returns and recharges the capacitor in it, so it turns back on, drains the capacitor, switches off, charges capacitor, switches on.. and so on.. :> |
| 19:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it's quite an annoyance there seems to be no decent user manual for CA-146C |
| 19:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | not even a product specs flyer saying a bare minimum about the input voltage range and max current |
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| 19:51.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it didn't come inbox with my device |
| 19:51.32 | Funnyface | US device? |
| 19:51.42 | MohammadAG | yes, it doesn't come with us devices |
| 19:51.51 | Funnyface | someone said that it seems like they are only shipped with euro devices |
| 19:52.02 | MohammadAG | think it was me :P |
| 19:52.08 | Funnyface | might have been :p |
| 19:52.09 | tybollt_ | hmmm hmm hmm |
| 19:52.20 | tybollt_ | so slate was why they bought palm |
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| 19:52.24 | tybollt_ | makes sense I suppose |
| 19:52.33 | Stskeeps | sends off another mail about the 3d libraries to his TI contact |
| 19:52.33 | tybollt_ | and slate w/ webos could be a winner |
| 19:52.49 | tybollt_ | guess intel'll release a 'slate' w/ maemi too |
| 19:53.15 | Funnyface | now I wonder if I should pull those studs off the original charger, I am a bit afraid I'll ruin it for good :( |
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| 19:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | intel presented their new processor (FZ600?) without meego, which might have caused some shouting inside Intel |
| 19:54.34 | wall[e] | is osso-applet-screencalibration-fix compatible with default kernel? |
| 19:55.07 | wall[e] | or i need newer kernel? I don't quite understand |
| 19:55.11 | tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: what did it have on it then? |
| 19:56.14 | johnsq | DocScrutinizer: what should they show? nothing! |
| 19:56.35 | wall[e] | it only means for kernel-power i guess |
| 19:58.00 | jimbo_ | is 'flash launcher' in extras-devel? i have extras-testing and still can't see it |
| 19:58.15 | MohammadAG | so.. it's in devel |
| 19:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | london: 7' opentablet of OpenPeak has Moblin, 3'8 smartphone Virta Aava, Moblin & Android |
| 19:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | the processor is Z600 |
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| 20:01.46 | wall[e] | heh i never know my screen was very badly calibrated |
| 20:01.55 | wall[e] | adds a wow here |
| 20:02.42 | pupnik | url? |
| 20:03.04 | wall[e] | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=620086#post620086 |
| 20:03.24 | wall[e] | now i'm kicking more asses with mypaint... |
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| 20:04.31 | wall[e] | btw, i think i was wrong when mentioning that writing (as oppose to typing) is dead |
| 20:04.40 | wall[e] | i didn't think about gesture input |
| 20:05.00 | lcuk | slaps you |
| 20:05.16 | lcuk | wall[e], where did you say writing was dead |
| 20:05.22 | wall[e] | hehe |
| 20:05.48 | wall[e] | days ago when discussing touchscreen with raster |
| 20:05.56 | lcuk | eep |
| 20:05.59 | wall[e] | he said it was dead |
| 20:06.03 | wall[e] | and i agreed |
| 20:06.09 | lcuk | ahh |
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| 20:06.25 | lcuk | well HK version has hand writing recognition now |
| 20:06.42 | wall[e] | actually writing should be a powerful tool for alternative input |
| 20:06.53 | wall[e] | like someone did 80 wpm with some gesture? |
| 20:06.56 | lcuk | i dont think it should, i know it is |
| 20:07.13 | lcuk | theres swype which is completely different |
| 20:07.52 | wall[e] | saw that before |
| 20:08.27 | wall[e] | i kinda want x language input though |
| 20:09.16 | lcuk | wall[e], X language ? you mean language agnostic |
| 20:09.18 | lcuk | ? |
| 20:09.33 | wall[e] | any language |
| 20:10.24 | lcuk | sure but you cant expect world+dog to train it from scratch themselves. i just write into vector sketches atm and trust that ill convert to hwr at one point |
| 20:10.38 | wall[e] | i thought i wouldn't need thai, gf proofed that I do |
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| 20:10.44 | lcuk | for now im happy reading back my notes |
| 20:11.22 | wall[e] | hehe |
| 20:11.34 | wall[e] | vector sketch? like maepad? |
| 20:11.48 | wall[e] | no xournal |
| 20:12.10 | MohammadAG | liqbase is far more superior than those apps |
| 20:12.38 | lcuk | wall[e], a couple of my sketches, i normally take notes but sometimes i just end up doodling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q |
| 20:12.46 | MohammadAG | if this isn't about liqbase, then i'll go back to house |
| 20:13.07 | MohammadAG | on an unrelated note, scp is slow |
| 20:13.12 | wall[e] | cool |
| 20:13.22 | lcuk | MohammadAG, scp is slow |
| 20:13.27 | MohammadAG | or... the CPU is slow and can't decrypt as fast as the i5 |
| 20:13.33 | lcuk | not normally noticable for small files |
| 20:13.34 | zash | MohammadAG: tarpipe! |
| 20:13.36 | wall[e] | you are terminator |
| 20:13.49 | wall[e] | your eye bright in laser |
| 20:13.54 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:13.58 | lcuk | thats n900-n900 recording |
| 20:13.59 | MohammadAG | zash, i'm not compressing it |
| 20:14.10 | zash | MohammadAG: hu? |
| 20:14.10 | wall[e] | ok |
| 20:14.18 | MohammadAG | tar? |
| 20:14.26 | lcuk | wall[e], http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjDEvXueO0I&feature=related |
| 20:14.30 | wall[e] | it looks cool at first sight |
| 20:14.33 | lcuk | that is more of how i use sketching |
| 20:14.37 | wall[e] | i'll play with it, thanks a lot |
| 20:15.03 | MohammadAG | lcuk, can't check vids, did you get it compiled for the N900? |
| 20:15.03 | zash | MohammadAG: I meant tar cf - files | netcat reciver $RANDOMPORT and netcat -l $SAMERANDOMPORT | tar xf - |
| 20:15.14 | lcuk | MohammadAG, which |
| 20:15.24 | MohammadAG | liqsketch |
| 20:15.28 | wall[e] | wonder why i never know this app |
| 20:15.39 | wall[e] | it looks just great |
| 20:15.43 | MohammadAG | zash, that compresses it, sends it, and decopresses it on device right? |
| 20:15.45 | lcuk | because i havent pushed recently because ive been busy with things |
| 20:15.51 | zash | MohammadAG: for great justice! http://p.zash.se/2aheXg.txt |
| 20:16.00 | lcuk | and its not quite integrated enough (or wasnt) |
| 20:16.10 | zash | MohammadAG: no, but if you add a z or j flag to both tar's |
| 20:16.20 | wall[e] | i see |
| 20:17.20 | MohammadAG | zash, basically i have a 23MB lzma, i copied it to the i5, decompressed, and i'm copying it back |
| 20:17.37 | lcuk | wall[e], liqflow is in extras, install it and see the integration issues |
| 20:17.42 | lcuk | and have fun playing |
| 20:18.45 | wall[e] | i played with liqflow |
| 20:19.16 | wall[e] | before i reflash, i didn't install it again, i didn't install much after reflash |
| 20:20.08 | wall[e] | just something i actually need, i keep playing n900 and didn't do anything that is actually useful for month because of it |
| 20:20.23 | zash | MohammadAG: huh? just wanted to say that tarpipeing is great if one don't want to waste cpu on compression or encryption |
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| 20:22.22 | wall[e] | carbon theme is so beautiful |
| 20:22.30 | wall[e] | imho |
| 20:22.42 | MohammadAG | zash, too late now ;) thanks though |
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| 20:23.53 | embedded | Hi all |
| 20:24.47 | RST38h | wall: has got a few warts though |
| 20:25.49 | wall[e] | RST38h: carbon theme? |
| 20:26.31 | wall[e] | is confused :) |
| 20:28.25 | embedded | Who can help me to solve a issue with Maemo Autobuilder? |
| 20:29.22 | RST38h | wall[e]: look at the volume control in the video player |
| 20:29.28 | RST38h | and position control too |
| 20:29.41 | embedded | no one??? plz |
| 20:33.16 | wall[e] | RST38h: i see, i only use mplayer though |
| 20:33.43 | wall[e] | still devel it seems |
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| 20:34.14 | embedded | no Maemo developers are present at the moment? |
| 20:34.28 | wall[e] | embedded: may be you could just ask the question? |
| 20:34.46 | wall[e] | no i am not a developer |
| 20:35.05 | embedded | well |
| 20:36.24 | embedded | I have sent to the Maemo autobuilder engine a port of a program |
| 20:36.49 | embedded | but while executing on the server the ./configure script |
| 20:37.00 | embedded | I get the following error: |
| 20:37.06 | embedded | checking where the gettext function comes from... libc |
| 20:37.07 | embedded | checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no |
| 20:37.09 | embedded | configure: error: * Can't find SDL library: http://www.libsdl.org |
| 20:37.10 | embedded | make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 |
| 20:37.55 | embedded | It seems that no SDL libraries are installed on autobuilder, is that possible??? No issues under scratchbox. |
| 20:38.11 | embedded | any help guys? |
| 20:38.13 | wall[e] | do you need sdl-dev whatever? |
| 20:38.21 | wall[e] | look for test.c |
| 20:38.40 | wall[e] | the script that configure used to cause the error |
| 20:38.51 | wall[e] | in configure |
| 20:38.57 | Stskeeps | embedded: you need to build-dep on it |
| 20:38.57 | wall[e] | it should create on the fly |
| 20:39.50 | wall[e] | (conftest.c btw) |
| 20:39.56 | embedded | Stskeeps: hi, can you explain further? |
| 20:40.04 | Stskeeps | embedded: look into debian Build-Depends: |
| 20:40.16 | Stskeeps | if it cant find sdl, it's cos you didn't build-dep on it |
| 20:40.16 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 20:41.15 | embedded | yup! I just added the SDL lib but not the devel too |
| 20:41.22 | ufa | Hi! |
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| 20:41.30 | ufa | I had the micro-usb loose issue |
| 20:41.53 | ufa | should I try to send it to USA or try to fix it locally (Brazil)? |
| 20:41.54 | wall[e] | you can check if you have sdl header files too |
| 20:42.10 | ufa | just a offtopic question, if I may :) |
| 20:42.27 | MohammadAG | not really off topic |
| 20:42.34 | MohammadAG | but i'd try locally |
| 20:42.41 | ufa | MohammadAG Why? |
| 20:42.52 | ufa | I was wondering if I wouyld get a brand new n900 |
| 20:42.54 | MohammadAG | cause i'm quite impatient ;) |
| 20:43.03 | ufa | and with usb fixed |
| 20:43.13 | MohammadAG | or they might do a "light swap" |
| 20:43.18 | MohammadAG | which is a mobo swap |
| 20:43.23 | ufa | MohammadAG hum |
| 20:43.30 | MohammadAG | question though, did the usb come out or is it just loose? |
| 20:43.36 | ufa | out |
| 20:43.44 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 20:43.45 | ufa | first it got loose |
| 20:43.53 | ufa | and I sent it to local Nokia service |
| 20:44.10 | ufa | and they said that this phone is not recoverable here |
| 20:44.30 | MohammadAG | send it to the US then |
| 20:44.38 | ufa | and returned to me with the usb connector out |
| 20:44.50 | wall[e] | sue. |
| 20:44.52 | wall[e] | :) |
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| 20:44.54 | ufa | Yeah, I think it is the best bet :/ |
| 20:45.02 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 20:45.08 | MohammadAG | they returned the connector? |
| 20:45.22 | ufa | wall[e] >> that should be the most slow process :) |
| 20:45.34 | ufa | MohammadAG >> yes they did |
| 20:45.47 | MohammadAG | that's kinda... low lol |
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| 20:46.23 | MohammadAG | infobot, maemosdk |
| 20:46.24 | infobot | [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 20:46.29 | MohammadAG | infobot, thanks |
| 20:46.29 | infobot | MohammadAG: de nada |
| 20:47.39 | ufa | MohammadAG >> well, I will ship it to usa as soon as I can make a back up of my stuff then... |
| 20:47.55 | MohammadAG | tbh that sucks |
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| 20:48.51 | ufa | MohammadAG >> indeed |
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| 20:49.42 | lejonet | What am I doing wrong when I am trying to use the FRISCO bin found in the wiki for N900 to flash my kernel and the flasher outputs the right things, but after it says "booting device into flash mode" it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting", I havent waited long enough with the 'u' key pressed? |
| 20:50.33 | wall[e] | must sleep, bibi |
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| 20:53.39 | mintux1 | does file manager support ftp or sftp I would like to connect my pc and get files |
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| 20:58.25 | mintux1 | can I mount ssh to file manager ? |
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| 20:58.59 | crashanddie | mintux1: how about you try and google shit instead of asking all the time |
| 20:59.35 | crashanddie | mintux1: you're seriously starting to annoy people in this channel. |
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| 21:00.30 | mintux1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.35 | mintux1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.38 | lcuk | mintux1, sshfs is what you would need to create a file system branch, but im not even sure (a) if its on n900, and (b) whether you can map to the MyDocs |
| 21:01.42 | crashanddie | mintux1: because if you googled "maemo mount ssh" you'd find half a million hits |
| 21:01.56 | mintux1 | I didn't know I can mount ssh |
| 21:02.10 | mintux1 | and I see it now here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24135&highlight=sftp |
| 21:02.12 | zaheerm-lp | you asked "can I mount ssh" :) |
| 21:02.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell mintux1 about question |
| 21:02.37 | lcuk | hold on, he did ask that |
| 21:02.38 | mintux1 | and I'm looking for software |
| 21:02.42 | lcuk | <mintux1> can I mount ssh to file manager ? |
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| 21:04.07 | lejonet | Hmm, what is the average time you'd have to wait for it to boot into flash mode? |
| 21:04.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | 3s |
| 21:04.30 | lcuk | lejonet, i dunno i have my machine upside down |
| 21:05.03 | lcuk | remove battery, plug in usb leads, start flasher, wait till it says 'device not detected', put in battery, profit |
| 21:05.06 | lejonet | lcuk: That made sense... :P |
| 21:05.09 | MohammadAG | while inserting the battery |
| 21:05.15 | MohammadAG | yes it did |
| 21:05.17 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:05.18 | mintux1 | lcuk: if I know it's possible to mount ssh it's not need ask here and search in maemo forum . in my ubuntu I have connect to in nautilus and use this . I didn't know what should I look for |
| 21:05.35 | Appiah | apt-get install sshfs |
| 21:05.46 | lcuk | mintux1, the file manager installed by default on maemo just views the MyDocs folder |
| 21:05.54 | lejonet | MohammadAG: I'll give it a whirl, right now it is just stuck with the Nokia logo on a white background and the USB icon in the right upper corner |
| 21:06.04 | lcuk | so if you make a sshfs mountpoint within there you should be able to browse normally with it |
| 21:06.08 | Appiah | sshfs myuser@atsomeremotehost:/path/to/dir /path/to/my/mountpoint |
| 21:06.13 | lcuk | but i dont know if sshfs is available as i said |
| 21:06.24 | Appiah | well I have it |
| 21:06.30 | lcuk | good |
| 21:06.41 | Appiah | dunno which repo it came from ... |
| 21:06.49 | Appiah | think its in extra |
| 21:06.51 | MohammadAG | lejonet, which OS? |
| 21:07.01 | lejonet | MohammadAG: it is an N900, so Maemo 5 I think |
| 21:07.11 | MohammadAG | PC side... |
| 21:07.19 | lejonet | oh :P Sorry, Linux |
| 21:07.28 | MohammadAG | distro? |
| 21:07.46 | lejonet | Ubuntu atm, it is doing the same thing with my 32-bit chroot in Gentoo tho :/ |
| 21:07.52 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu 10.04 has problems detecting my N900 |
| 21:07.58 | lejonet | It is 9.04 |
| 21:08.04 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:08.11 | MohammadAG | shouldn't cause probs |
| 21:08.14 | MohammadAG | do as lcuk said |
| 21:08.30 | MohammadAG | remove battery, plug usb, execute command, plug in battery |
| 21:08.32 | lejonet | I have, I have just now started the flasher and it is at Suitable USB device not found |
| 21:08.40 | lejonet | Battery removed |
| 21:08.44 | MohammadAG | plug the battery |
| 21:08.49 | MohammadAG | with the usb connected |
| 21:09.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | *sometimes* even a boot of host PC (eeeeeww) might help |
| 21:10.14 | lejonet | Yeah, it reacted with going to the start screen with the nokia logo, and a quick flash of the usb logo in the corner and then it went into the bootloop it seems like |
| 21:10.21 | MohammadAG | you lost me after boot |
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| 21:10.59 | MohammadAG | lejonet, sure the usb is connected to the PC? (i spent half an hour trying different methods then noticed it wasn't connected) |
| 21:11.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG go to sleep you have exam tomorroqw |
| 21:11.15 | MohammadAG | oh i forgot |
| 21:11.22 | MohammadAG | it's at 1:30 anyways |
| 21:11.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | /kick MohammadAG |
| 21:11.41 | lejonet | MohammadAG: Yes, 100% positive, I can try another USB port if that might do something? |
| 21:11.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, do it! |
| 21:11.54 | MohammadAG | that helps sometimes |
| 21:12.05 | lejonet | One thing to note is that I did not press the 'u' button when I had inserted the battery |
| 21:12.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, if you don't do it i'll do it |
| 21:12.16 | MohammadAG | lejonet, you don't need to |
| 21:12.37 | lejonet | MohammadAG: Hmm, what am I doing wrong then? |
| 21:12.46 | MohammadAG | i have no idea |
| 21:12.47 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 21:12.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | lejonet: please also read the wiki |
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| 21:12.53 | MohammadAG | do the routine u thing |
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| 21:12.56 | MohammadAG | and check dmesg |
| 21:13.05 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer51: I have, it is not that detailed :/ |
| 21:13.20 | MohammadAG | anyone good at sketching? |
| 21:13.28 | MohammadAG | need N900 sketches |
| 21:13.28 | lcuk | lejonet, did the flasher tool change from saying device not detected? |
| 21:13.34 | MohammadAG | the wiki needs to have them |
| 21:13.43 | MohammadAG | lcuk, nope |
| 21:13.44 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: a few guys on TMO are very good -- made on N900 as well |
| 21:13.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | err it's not? I posted a quote from flasher README lately |
| 21:13.50 | lejonet | lcuk: Yes, and then went back to saying device not detected |
| 21:14.01 | lcuk | what did it say? |
| 21:14.07 | MohammadAG | went back? |
| 21:14.33 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I wanted slightly detailed N900 sketches :) |
| 21:14.46 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/Slaxe/Boy2.jpg |
| 21:14.50 | MohammadAG | not those kind of sketches |
| 21:14.51 | MohammadAG | umm sec |
| 21:14.59 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: if they can draw that on a N900, they can draw an n900 |
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| 21:15.17 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, good point :) |
| 21:15.29 | lejonet | it said USB device found and where, found the device RX-51 and hw revision, NOLO version, Version of sw release and then "Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
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| 21:16.00 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: this guy seems to do inanimate objects as well: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656621&postcount=58 |
| 21:16.17 | mece | uf I feel inspired to do a little programming perhaps.. |
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| 21:17.20 | lejonet | ... siigh, I guess that is what I get for playing around with that power user kernel -.- |
| 21:17.42 | MohammadAG | it shouldn't touch NOLO |
| 21:17.48 | MohammadAG | afaik it can't touch NOLO... |
| 21:18.18 | lejonet | Well it only lists the version of NOLO |
| 21:18.25 | lejonet | 1.4.14 |
| 21:18.32 | MohammadAG | meaning nolo exists |
| 21:18.41 | MohammadAG | which means it should go into flashing mode |
| 21:18.55 | lejonet | Well it does say that it is booting the device into flash mode |
| 21:18.59 | MohammadAG | actually it is in flashing mode, your PC isn't detecting it for reason |
| 21:19.22 | lejonet | Yeah, something goes wrong when it boots to flash mode |
| 21:19.43 | MohammadAG | check dmesg |
| 21:19.47 | MohammadAG | on your PC |
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| 21:19.55 | lejonet | Because that is when the computer outputs "Suitable device not found, waiting." Again |
| 21:20.59 | lejonet | It notices an new high speed USB device, choses configuration and then USB is disconnected ad infinitum |
| 21:21.12 | lejonet | The USB address is incremented each time |
| 21:21.39 | lcuk | lejonet, reboot laptop |
| 21:21.53 | MohammadAG | backspaces |
| 21:21.54 | lcuk | windows fix! :D |
| 21:22.14 | MohammadAG | lcuk, not while it's doing something to the registry :P |
| 21:22.21 | lejonet | lcuk: Yeah, ubuntu is a bit like that sometimes :P |
| 21:22.32 | lcuk | mine only allows me to flash once |
| 21:22.37 | lcuk | then says its busy with usb |
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| 21:23.02 | lejonet | Time to do the same procedure with an newly rebooted computer |
| 21:23.07 | MohammadAG | i have to take the battery out on my i5 |
| 21:23.18 | MohammadAG | but my lappy works fine |
| 21:23.22 | lcuk | you have to disconnect form the internet |
| 21:23.31 | lcuk | from |
| 21:23.36 | lejonet | lcuk: I am doing it from another computer :P |
| 21:23.44 | lcuk | cheat |
| 21:23.49 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:23.59 | lejonet | loves that he has an Eee 900 that he bought dead cheap as a victim :P |
| 21:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-24 23:09:57] <DocScrutinizer51> *sometimes* even a boot of host PC (eeeeeww) might help |
| 21:24.22 | MohammadAG | victim of what lol |
| 21:24.24 | lejonet | I think I paid around 110$ for it :P |
| 21:24.30 | lejonet | MohammadAG: My experiments :P |
| 21:24.48 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: Yes we know, just wanted to rule out other possibilities first |
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| 21:25.13 | lejonet | :P |
| 21:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | as soon as your host PC modprobes some drivers for USB that don't behave, you're pretty busted. Reboot! |
| 21:25.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, this episode of house reminds me of you xD |
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| 21:27.23 | lejonet | Hmm, this time when doing the same thing it doesnt find the device even :/ |
| 21:27.42 | loufoque | what is PR1.2? |
| 21:27.47 | tripzero | noone knows |
| 21:27.50 | loufoque | I see that everywhere on the net |
| 21:28.08 | tripzero | just ignore it and it'll go away |
| 21:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | A placebo made by Bayer |
| 21:29.04 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:29.09 | MohammadAG | battery low |
| 21:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr.1.2 |
| 21:29.14 | lejonet | MohammadAG: It doesnt react to the 'u' key method thingy now either :/ |
| 21:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.2 |
| 21:29.18 | infobot | i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 21:29.27 | MohammadAG | lejonet, rereboot? |
| 21:29.36 | lejonet | MohammadAG: siiigh :P |
| 21:29.48 | MohammadAG | lejonet, use your current PC? |
| 21:30.04 | lejonet | MohammadAG: I guess I could try that again |
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| 21:30.49 | loufoque | I'm not asking when it's coming, I'm asking what the hell it is |
| 21:31.05 | lejonet | An update |
| 21:31.30 | loufoque | that I could deduce. |
| 21:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | lejonet: you've read http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing ? |
| 21:31.44 | MohammadAG | it ends world hunger |
| 21:31.47 | MohammadAG | but seriously... |
| 21:31.54 | loufoque | but what are its important improvements |
| 21:31.56 | MohammadAG | it includes Qt4.6.2 |
| 21:32.02 | MohammadAG | and other bug fixes |
| 21:32.11 | MohammadAG | it's pretty overhyped if you ask me |
| 21:32.16 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: Yes, a few times |
| 21:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | lejonet: seen the >>from README_Flasher-3.5_beta coming with the flasher dowload tgz:<< quote? |
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| 21:33.07 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: THe one about the removing try and stuff? |
| 21:33.12 | lejonet | battery* |
| 21:35.44 | lejonet | With my gentoo computer it atleast notices what vendorid and such and what it is, Nokia USB ROM |
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| 21:35.56 | lejonet | but then after it gets to all that it disconnects |
| 21:36.01 | loufoque | MohammadAG: ok, nothing major then |
| 21:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | lejonet: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Linux all the way thru >>from README_Flasher-3.5_beta coming with the flasher dowload tgz:<< until (and maybe including) http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image |
| 21:36.33 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: That is the procedure I am trying to do |
| 21:36.40 | GAN900 | crashanddie, how goes the job search? |
| 21:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | these are actually TWO slightly different methods |
| 21:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | both seem to work, if your PC doesn't throw sticks at your legs |
| 21:37.30 | loufoque | anyone knows I can tell maemo to use the GPS for the clock? GPSJinni reports the correct time, but the time reported by maemo (which I assume is that of GSM) is completely off |
| 21:37.36 | lejonet | Yeah, like mine apparently like to do |
| 21:37.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he can't flash anything if he isn't in flashing mode |
| 21:37.44 | MohammadAG | HOWEVER |
| 21:37.58 | MohammadAG | flashing the kernel while the device is in any mode worksforme |
| 21:38.00 | MohammadAG | battery low |
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| 21:38.59 | ptl | Does changing the default theme for any theme whatsoever makes the use of memory increase? |
| 21:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: he clearly stated all the indicators he IS in flashing mode |
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| 21:40.30 | lejonet | Well lets try all this with a fresh reboot of this PC too |
| 21:40.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wasn't it the opposite? |
| 21:40.39 | MohammadAG | or actually the pc doesn't detect it |
| 21:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | alas even when N900 enters flashing mode correctly, some PC OS prefer to occupy the USB by greedy drivers that block the flasher. That's my take on it |
| 21:41.08 | MohammadAG | ubuntu shouldn't do that |
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| 21:41.40 | mintux1 | my some folder icons like images/ camera/documents / video clips are repeat twice is it a bug ? http://img6.tinypic.info/files/3g36q48l12ymjs2gy6e8.png |
| 21:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: <lejonet> it said USB device found and where, found the device RX-51 and hw revision, NOLO version, Version of sw release and then "Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting" |
| 21:42.46 | lejonet | Well, lets try this from CLI in gentoo then |
| 21:42.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, last part :) |
| 21:43.03 | lejonet | Less things loaded, less things the computer is occupied with :P |
| 21:43.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, problem is his PC, not the N900 |
| 21:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-24 23:05:54] <lejonet> MohammadAG: I'll give it a whirl, right now it is just stuck with the Nokia logo on a white background and the USB icon in the right upper corner |
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| 21:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Did I claim anything different? |
| 21:45.04 | lejonet | Well, the flasher aint reacting that way anymore... |
| 21:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | btw, sometimes some users thanked me for that... |
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| 21:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sleep! |
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| 21:46.54 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: could the fact that I am doing this in a 32-bit chroot from an AMD64-bit system without multilib affect the whole thing? |
| 21:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes, for sure |
| 21:47.53 | lejonet | Well the only 32-bit system I have is my Eee 900 with ubuntu 9.04 |
| 21:48.19 | lejonet | And even there it stopped reacting on it... |
| 21:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | USB access is wacky from all virtual and chroot environments |
| 21:48.39 | ptl | what about theming? Does it use more memory? |
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| 21:49.02 | lejonet | ptl: No, unless the new theme has more animated stuff I guess |
| 21:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | lejonet: a silly question - you're starting flasher on PC under root? |
| 21:49.51 | ptl | lejonet: hmmm, k, thx |
| 21:49.51 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: Yes :P |
| 21:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | kk |
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| 21:50.18 | lejonet | on ubuntu PC it was with sudo, in chroot I am root by default |
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| 21:50.43 | MohammadAG | grrr |
| 21:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | lejonet: yeah, but only for your "virtual" chrooted devices |
| 21:51.09 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: Well I started the chroot as root too |
| 21:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG, go to sleep!!! |
| 21:51.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the sleep bit killed my N900 |
| 21:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | YOU should sleep, not your N900 ;-P |
| 21:51.48 | lejonet | I need to get my N900 to work, it is mine alarm clock lol :P |
| 21:52.05 | tripzero | +1 for the n900 alarm clock |
| 21:52.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you did the wrong command then |
| 21:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'm running short of options |
| 21:52.41 | MohammadAG | my body's ssh server runs on a port ouside the range |
| 21:54.00 | lejonet | Luckily I still have my work phone, but I kinda need my N900 to work lol :P |
| 21:54.19 | lejonet | I guess I should let it charge the battery over the night and bash at it again tomorrow, it is late |
| 21:54.22 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | lejonet: you might want to check lsmod and see if you find any suspicious drivers to modprobe -r. But that's no cooking receipe for beginners |
| 21:54.50 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer: I think i'll manage, been running gentoo for 2 years :P |
| 21:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | on your host PC |
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| 21:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | things like cdc_ether, *_nokia* etc come to mind |
| 21:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | see what keeps usb locked |
| 21:56.15 | lejonet | Well the only USB mods in lsmod was bluetooth related stuff |
| 21:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 21:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | mass_storage |
| 21:57.13 | lejonet | I have that compiled in the kernel |
| 21:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what else |
| 21:57.14 | mece | is attila ever on here? |
| 21:57.35 | mece | ~seen attila77 |
| 21:57.40 | infobot | i haven't seen 'attila77', mece |
| 21:57.42 | mece | hmm |
| 21:57.43 | lejonet | I'll give it a go tomorrow, i'll use my workphone as alarm clock tonight |
| 21:57.59 | lejonet | is glad he forgot to leave it at work |
| 21:58.27 | lejonet | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, lcuk: Thank you for your attempts to help me, I will probably be back tomorrow :P |
| 21:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 21:58.39 | MohammadAG | np :) |
| 21:58.39 | lejonet | With a fresh brain (hopefully) and some more time |
| 21:59.13 | lejonet | sometimes wishes he didn't fiddled with every electronic device he gets across :P |
| 22:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's why we buy those gadgets after all |
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| 22:05.00 | lejonet | Very true |
| 22:05.48 | lejonet | I doubt this goes under warranty either :P I did afterall cause it myself with untested software (It all happened when I tried to uninstall the "Enhanced linux kernel for power users") |
| 22:06.15 | GAN900 | mece, achipa |
| 22:06.23 | mece | yees? |
| 22:06.32 | mece | aah |
| 22:06.32 | mece | ok |
| 22:06.37 | mece | attila is achipa? |
| 22:06.44 | mece | ~seen achipa |
| 22:06.45 | infobot | achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 46m 10s ago, saying: 'if there are any extra fixes in there, they could have been just as well applied to libqt4-maemo5'. |
| 22:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-24 23:11:07] <ZogG> MohammadAG go to sleep you have exam tomorroqw |
| 22:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-24 23:11:14] <MohammadAG> oh i forgot |
| 22:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-24 23:11:25] <DocScrutinizer51> /kick MohammadAG |
| 22:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-24 23:11:43] <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, do it! |
| 22:07.38 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 22:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | any questions, Mr Watson? |
| 22:08.25 | satmd | mh. trying it here, too.... anyone familiar with maps generation in png? just state boundaries + marked positions? |
| 22:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil *might* |
| 22:09.36 | satmd | ok, have something |
| 22:09.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, got our vicodin? |
| 22:09.44 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:09.59 | MohammadAG | your* lol |
| 22:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | since 3, 6th season I'm clean ;-P |
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| 22:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | (though I guess I'm cheating) |
| 22:11.42 | SpeedEvil | satmd: #osm |
| 22:11.49 | SpeedEvil | satmd: over on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:12.07 | SpeedEvil | I just woke up - what? |
| 22:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | waiting for crashanddie telling it's not been 6,3, and the exact name of the episode |
| 22:12.17 | satmd | thx |
| 22:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a good time to wake up, it's actually nice outside (though I'm a few 100km away from you, so can't know for sure what's your weather) |
| 22:15.05 | SpeedEvil | 9C and cloudy |
| 22:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeqw |
| 22:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | 19° here |
| 22:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | 3/4 |
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| 22:25.35 | mece | hey does maemo-optify make synlinks to binaries? |
| 22:25.38 | mece | sym even |
| 22:27.28 | lbt | is 1.2 out yet then? |
| 22:27.46 | mece | ~pr1.2 |
| 22:27.47 | infobot | i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
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| 22:28.10 | lbt | aw |
| 22:28.30 | FauxFaux | Surely the device will notify when there's updates..? |
| 22:28.43 | mece | it will |
| 22:29.17 | mece | but It only checks like once a day, so unless you go poking at the app manager it wont notice right away. |
| 22:29.44 | FauxFaux | Oh no! |
| 22:30.09 | jacekowski | http://leanmeanfightingmachine.posterous.com/welsh-asda-pizza-complaint |
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| 22:31.59 | mece | building wesnoth.. hopefully optified this time.. |
| 22:33.02 | ponyofdeath | anyone know of an good prog to share the 3g connections through the wifi with the power kernel? |
| 22:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | 23:59 worst case not noticing a fresh new version -*unbearable*!!11!!!1!!! |
| 22:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I bet you'll notice when the internets go mad over it |
| 22:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | will take an estimated 79s |
| 22:34.54 | mece | I've managed to package a lot of things already, but I'm still baffled amount of trouble it causes. |
| 22:35.07 | mece | yeah :D |
| 22:35.56 | Dima202 | Mobile HotSpot |
| 22:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | yoghurtsport? |
| 22:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | errr... |
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| 22:37.47 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: did you say that the rumoured date was wednesday? |
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| 22:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not me |
| 22:38.05 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: |
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| 22:38.09 | crashanddie | did you? |
| 22:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | I hope he's asleep |
| 22:38.34 | crashanddie | because I just remembered something |
| 22:38.43 | crashanddie | Wednesday's my birthday :) |
| 22:38.57 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, sec |
| 22:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | there was even a URL to a blog about a facebook post in this chan today |
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| 22:39.22 | MohammadAG | http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/nokia-n900-pr-1-2-firmware-coming-this-wednesday/ crashanddie |
| 22:39.25 | crashanddie | hang on, a blog about a facebook post? |
| 22:39.31 | MohammadAG | sadly |
| 22:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:39.42 | MohammadAG | I said it was a rumor |
| 22:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, a friend of the father of my granny's dog heard somebody wispering... |
| 22:40.21 | crashanddie | damn |
| 22:40.27 | crashanddie | would be nice for my bday though |
| 22:40.33 | SpeedEvil | I have also - really - heard comments it's 'happening soon' from someone who knows someone. |
| 22:40.53 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: sure, and i was told pr1.2 was definitely coming out before pr1.3 |
| 22:40.55 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I hear it's coming before January |
| 22:41.23 | SpeedEvil | looks over at January. |
| 22:41.44 | SpeedEvil | sets vibrate mode. |
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| 22:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I doubt even that ;-P |
| 22:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | now if nokia had good marketing dudes, thy'd rename the thing to 2.0 anyway |
| 22:43.32 | SpeedEvil | Look at how much better web 2.0 is. |
| 22:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | "see, it took a while, but now we're up with something really fresh and new" |
| 22:44.43 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah, I have facebook now, that thing has been of so much use to me... |
| 22:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | "1.2 wasn't that great, and we felt we owe our custumers nothing less than the best, so here it is: PR2.0" |
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| 22:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | >>music, cheerleaders dancing across your N900 screen<< |
| 22:46.41 | SpeedEvil | They'll break it! |
| 22:46.56 | SpeedEvil | I lost my last laptop that way. |
| 22:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | they were drilled ;-) in a whatdoyacallit-camp |
| 22:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | on thin polar ice |
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| 22:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's why it took so long - in winter the ice is too strong |
| 22:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | they wouldn't learn how to treat the LCD nicely |
| 22:51.52 | zaheerm-lp | lardman, you had an issue with gl_FUNC_ARGZ macro finding in scratchbox when compiling libchamplain, did you ever fix it? |
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| 22:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | btw, SpeedEvil - you got strange hobbies. Having cheerleaders step on your laptop screen ;-P |
| 22:56.13 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, generally you tend to let cheerleaders do pretty much what they want |
| 22:57.15 | lcuk | pr1.2 has gotten boobie shots anyway |
| 22:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | to scare steve I guess |
| 22:57.57 | FauxFaux | What it needs is a catchy name. How about "Froyo"? |
| 22:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | sound like my dog's food |
| 22:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | (though I got no dog anyway :-D ) |
| 23:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | aah: side note http://www.fremantlemedia.com/home.aspx |
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| 23:01.24 | loufoque | is there an app that automatically hacks WEP networks? |
| 23:01.26 | loufoque | that would be cool |
| 23:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | it's called aircrack |
| 23:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | extras-devel iirc |
| 23:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | but it doesn't "hack", it does a security audit ;-) |
| 23:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | and it has a bug :-S |
| 23:08.21 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't support xkcd-config? |
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| 23:35.41 | loufoque_ | what's best, butterfly, pecan or haze? |
| 23:35.44 | loufoque_ | for msn |
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| 23:47.29 | opdf2 | How long is Dataviz ToGo Suite trial? |
| 23:48.05 | opdf2 | oh nm premium coming soon, I'll wait for that |
| 23:49.24 | Arkenoi | DtG sucks |
| 23:49.29 | Arkenoi | well, it is fast |
| 23:49.35 | Arkenoi | but maemo version is outdated |
| 23:49.45 | Arkenoi | and i doubt there will be update soon |
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| 23:56.49 | Psi | does samba (server) work ok on n900? I see it in the repo |
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| 23:58.54 | accessdenied5k | hi ich habe mal ne frage jemand da ? |
| 23:59.00 | accessdenied5k | or english ? |
| 23:59.11 | Ikarus | accessdenied5k: English would be more practical |
| 23:59.15 | Psi | ^ |
| 23:59.49 | accessdenied5k | sorry for me english i have question i have the apad can i make maemo installed ? |
