| 00:00.17 | Nadley | Hi, |
| 00:00.25 | Xisdibik | hi |
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| 00:01.20 | Nadley | I've install the SDK has said here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation. Now how can I launch maemo to test it and start developing apps ? |
| 00:01.46 | Xisdibik | that sounds like a Doc question to me :) |
| 00:02.29 | Nadley | ok I'll try this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI is it good ? |
| 00:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fixed your 'ditry' bat contacts? |
| 00:10.41 | SpeedEvil | sort-of. |
| 00:10.44 | MohammadAG | bah, switched to wifi to ssh |
| 00:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | contact spray? |
| 00:12.20 | crashanddie | heh |
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| 00:12.25 | crashanddie | the google pacman thing was fun |
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| 00:13.32 | Nadley | I need help I can't start the SDK UI |
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| 00:15.33 | crashanddie | Nadley: we're going to need more than that |
| 00:15.47 | Nadley | crashanddie: I know :D |
| 00:15.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: something like that |
| 00:15.51 | crashanddie | "doesn't work" isn't a valid error message |
| 00:16.47 | Nadley | crashanddie: I trying to lauch by this way but I have nothing on the screen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI |
| 00:16.57 | Nadley | I'll pastbin the message |
| 00:19.05 | Nadley | crashanddie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/437578/7 |
| 00:19.14 | Nadley | http://paste.ubuntu.com/437578/ sorry |
| 00:19.54 | Nadley | and I had just a black screen on Xephyr |
| 00:20.42 | crashanddie | Nadley: sorry, I don't use scratchbox, couldn't help you |
| 00:20.51 | crashanddie | so feel free to ask the channel, rather than me specifically |
| 00:20.53 | MohammadAG | line 67 says it all |
| 00:21.12 | Nadley | crashanddie: Is there another solution than scratchbox ? |
| 00:21.54 | Nadley | MohammadAG: what can I do for this error |
| 00:22.41 | MohammadAG | upgrade RAM maybe? |
| 00:22.44 | MohammadAG | not sure though |
| 00:22.49 | MohammadAG | never happened to me |
| 00:22.55 | yabbapappa | Ok, after re-flash I'm now reinstalling punch of apps and multiple of them gives me an error and said that it wont find python-gobject (=2.14.2-1maemo2)? (example fmms and freecell4maemo) |
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| 00:23.08 | MohammadAG | err? |
| 00:23.27 | MohammadAG | don't tell me they borked that package too :S |
| 00:23.31 | opdf2 | anyone using TheOneRing? Does the format of the numbers dialed need to be +(CountryCode)(AreaCode)(7digit#)? |
| 00:23.53 | Nadley | upgrade which RAM I had 4Gb |
| 00:24.20 | yabbapappa | MohammadAG, I think it looks badly in that way then :/ |
| 00:25.05 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: may I suggest usbnet when you're doing a lot of ssh to the N900? |
| 00:25.20 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: the speed difference is really amazing |
| 00:26.35 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, used it once and never again lol |
| 00:26.41 | crashanddie | why? |
| 00:26.46 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: oh, what platform are you running? |
| 00:26.54 | MohammadAG | it seems to cause normal ssh to break |
| 00:27.00 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu |
| 00:27.05 | crashanddie | meh, fail :P |
| 00:27.10 | crashanddie | go buy yourself a mac |
| 00:27.15 | MohammadAG | Debian didn't install |
| 00:27.18 | MohammadAG | WHAT |
| 00:27.49 | MohammadAG | mac's are overpriced and underpowered |
| 00:28.22 | yabbapappa | Wohoo! I didn't delete my discworld! Thank god, I was worried. |
| 00:29.12 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, you weren't serious were you? :) |
| 00:29.37 | spturtle | how could you delete a turtle system? |
| 00:29.39 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: 13" 2.6ghz, 4gb ram, 320gb HD, 10h battery, works for me |
| 00:29.51 | MohammadAG | oh, laptops |
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| 00:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, say that to my dual E5520. :P |
| 00:30.13 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, my laptop's crap anyways |
| 00:30.19 | MohammadAG | I use my i5 for compilation |
| 00:30.30 | MohammadAG | then move to my laptop and sftp the file over |
| 00:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | Nadley: I can't really help, but maybe mentioning which OS/distro/version you're running on your PC might ring a bell for someone here |
| 00:30.50 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I doubt you really need i5 power for compilation |
| 00:30.59 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: unless you're compiling KDE 20 times a day :P |
| 00:31.03 | Nadley | I'm running ubuntu 10.04 |
| 00:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | 32 or 64? |
| 00:31.14 | crashanddie | Nadley: ah, doesn't work with 10.04 |
| 00:31.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how much time did that custom kernel take you to compile? |
| 00:31.19 | crashanddie | Nadley: go back to 9.10 |
| 00:31.23 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, but it does |
| 00:31.29 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 00:31.29 | infobot | i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 00:31.32 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I only heard issues with it |
| 00:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe 15 minutes |
| 00:31.35 | MohammadAG | 10.04 notes, follow them |
| 00:31.46 | MohammadAG | see crashanddie, it tooks him 15 minutes |
| 00:31.51 | MohammadAG | it took me 2 :) |
| 00:31.59 | Nadley | crashanddie: ok thanks |
| 00:32.12 | crashanddie | Nadley: ah, it seems to work |
| 00:32.20 | MohammadAG | Nadley, follow the 10.04 notes, it should work |
| 00:32.28 | crashanddie | Nadley: though you have to hack some stuff that "may reduce system security" |
| 00:32.44 | MohammadAG | i quoted that from here |
| 00:33.06 | Nadley | MohammadAG: I follow the notes but for the moment it is notes working maybe I forgot one I'll check |
| 00:33.35 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'll probably get an iMac next (once I'm employed again, all that) |
| 00:33.43 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, lemme list my badass laptop's specs |
| 00:33.48 | MohammadAG | 1.7GHz centrino |
| 00:33.51 | MohammadAG | 1GB RAM |
| 00:33.55 | MohammadAG | 120GB HDD |
| 00:34.09 | MohammadAG | 12.1" wacom digitized screen |
| 00:34.19 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: even though I love my 13" mbp, I guess I'll want a proper desktop computer once I have to spend some time working |
| 00:34.19 | MohammadAG | oh, and no optical media drive |
| 00:34.31 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: how much d'you pay for that? |
| 00:34.42 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, do I really have to say that? |
| 00:34.45 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 00:34.57 | MohammadAG | it's like, an insult in front of 499 users |
| 00:35.03 | crashanddie | SAY IT |
| 00:35.09 | MohammadAG | 2000 5 years ago |
| 00:35.17 | crashanddie | 2000 wut? |
| 00:35.22 | MohammadAG | $ |
| 00:35.26 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 00:35.39 | MohammadAG | err? |
| 00:35.49 | MohammadAG | i can get an i5 laptop for 999 now |
| 00:36.18 | MohammadAG | maegym delayed my package |
| 00:36.19 | MohammadAG | grrr |
| 00:36.20 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 00:36.50 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, my i5 cost me 400 dollars to build, a Dell with the same specs was about 2000 :) |
| 00:37.35 | crashanddie | I paid $1000 for a 2.2Ghz macbookpro, yada yada yada, upgraded the ram and HD |
| 00:37.48 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: the whole "overpriced" thing is getting old :) |
| 00:38.08 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, oh forgot to say |
| 00:38.19 | MohammadAG | it came with a 40GB HDD and 512MBs RAM |
| 00:38.26 | crashanddie | obviously |
| 00:39.32 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: plus the OS is actually really good. It's like a proper OS that can run proprietary software, with open source goodness on top |
| 00:40.02 | crashanddie | (outlook and office if your company requires it, but also openssh under the hood) |
| 00:40.36 | MohammadAG | don't macs use openoffice.org? |
| 00:42.19 | MohammadAG | i'm dead |
| 00:42.49 | GeneralAntilles | Macs use Office, OpenOffice.org, Apple's office suite or just about anything else. |
| 00:43.44 | MohammadAG | I suppose i can't use the SDK on a mac though :) |
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| 00:44.37 | SpeedEvil | Given that it's an x86 box, why can't you just run a vM? |
| 00:45.03 | ohwhyme | you could just run osx86 :p |
| 00:46.46 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, cause it would half the speed? |
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| 00:47.03 | MohammadAG | 0.5 was an estimate, it could be more or less |
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| 00:48.34 | MohammadAG | anyways |
| 00:48.37 | MohammadAG | i'm off |
| 00:48.42 | MohammadAG | night #maemo |
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| 01:01.18 | Nadley | see you guys thx |
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| 01:15.51 | Noma | is it possible to have a webcam picture as a wallpaper in n900? has anyone done an app or script for that?:) |
| 01:16.17 | Noma | (no live picture of course, maybe 1h update freq or something) |
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| 01:21.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think SpeedEvil had a script for something like that |
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| 01:22.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | and then I heard of a weird thing called live wallpaper |
| 01:22.48 | SpeedEvil | while true |
| 01:22.48 | SpeedEvil | do;rm *png ;wget http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png |
| 01:22.48 | SpeedEvil | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png |
| 01:22.48 | SpeedEvil | sleep 3600 |
| 01:22.48 | SpeedEvil | done |
| 01:22.54 | SpeedEvil | something like that |
| 01:23.21 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't cope with wallpapers with the wrong aspect, and just crops them though |
| 01:23.59 | SpeedEvil | There is also a webcam viewer widget - but that's not fullscreen |
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| 01:33.14 | Noma | webcam viewer widget does not seem to work very well, it doesn't show any pictures and when i click it it just disappears |
| 01:34.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | W T F?!?! |
| 01:34.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | opened the glenrothes meteo card in browser |
| 01:35.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | while switching between fullscreen and windowed view, a white screen with fullsize blue NOKIA flashes up |
| 01:37.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | to be precise, it's during fullscreen->windowed transition, for maybe 0.2s |
| 01:38.36 | ohwhyme | anyone here play with pcsx? |
| 01:40.10 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 01:40.14 | SpeedEvil | never seen that |
| 01:41.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | console fb? |
| 01:43.14 | Arkenoi | wonders what is the percent of "active" n900 users (tmo + #maemo) who installed leakware. my patience is almost over too |
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| 01:45.33 | Arkenoi | w20 has ended and still no official update |
| 01:45.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I feel with you |
| 01:46.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's starting to get ridiculous |
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| 01:52.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | when was the incredible update in SDK + buildhoat? |
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| 01:52.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | host even |
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| 01:55.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | (which btw for the buildhost part I still fail to understand - who exactly needs the 1.2 depening app pkg versions in those repos? to do exactly what which isn't possible in a more sane way?) |
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| 02:02.25 | SpeedEvil | It would be sane if it was an option. |
| 02:02.34 | SpeedEvil | To make sure your stuff worked when used on 1.2 |
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| 02:03.09 | SpeedEvil | If it doesn't wotk with 1.1 - then that's broken - but I thought that had been fixed. |
| 02:05.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yo make sure it works with 1.2 you would need a real N900 with that version, no? |
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| 02:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Maybe the reason is that there are 3980 developers under NDA, all releasing apps for 1.2. |
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| 02:14.16 | GAN900 | lol |
| 02:14.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | boo ey, those must feel pissed by the ridiculous delay |
| 02:14.53 | DangerMaus | sup |
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| 02:33.29 | yuizy_ | can i update the background image from terminal? |
| 02:36.26 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/Spectacular-TIBERIUS-Tessera-Sprintia-/390187954119?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad903afc7 |
| 02:36.29 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:36.30 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 02:36.36 | SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: while true |
| 02:36.36 | SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: do;rm *png ;wget http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/meteogram.png |
| 02:36.37 | SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png |
| 02:36.37 | SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: sleep 3600 |
| 02:36.37 | SpeedEvil | (02:22:47 AM) SpeedEvil: done |
| 02:36.38 | SpeedEvil | that |
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| 02:36.45 | SpeedEvil | which seems to be the question of the night |
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| 02:46.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably pacman fans |
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| 05:25.02 | angie | how big is the maemo 5 sdk to download |
| 05:25.18 | angie | i run linux |
| 05:25.27 | angie | and i heard its like 2gb? |
| 05:25.29 | angie | is that correct? |
| 05:29.22 | valdyn | angie: maybe the vm image is that big |
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| 05:34.38 | angie | does anyone run nitdroid on n900 |
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| 05:40.07 | cehteh | nitdroid? |
| 05:41.03 | cehteh | ah why does one want that? |
| 05:42.41 | angie | for fun i guess |
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| 06:02.25 | pupnik | kbuildsycoca4(27085) KBuildServiceFactory::populateServiceTypes: << i hope we never see crap like that |
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| 06:13.33 | luke-jr | pupnik: in other words, supress debug output |
| 06:14.36 | RST38h | pupnik: Not until Nokia decides to switch to KDE |
| 06:15.37 | luke-jr | RST38h: that would be awesome |
| 06:15.48 | luke-jr | Nokia would need to drastically improve the hardware :p |
| 06:16.01 | luke-jr | after all, MySQL requires like 200 MB disk space alone |
| 06:16.10 | RST38h | no it won't |
| 06:16.10 | luke-jr | and KDE requires MySQL |
| 06:16.30 | RST38h | they will just stuff it onto n900 hardware =) |
| 06:16.56 | luke-jr | how are you going to magically make MySQL fit? |
| 06:17.21 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 06:17.39 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: your 2.6.33 just barely boots as far as I can tell |
| 06:17.44 | RST38h | luke: MMC |
| 06:17.46 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: no wifi, not even GPIO |
| 06:18.05 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: how come i can boot into xfce4 then? |
| 06:18.18 | Stskeeps | that isn't "barely boots" in my book :) |
| 06:18.34 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: what can you do useful in xfce4? |
| 06:18.52 | luke-jr | without networking, without GPS, without basically any connection to the real world |
| 06:18.59 | Stskeeps | USB networking works? |
| 06:19.02 | luke-jr | ... |
| 06:19.06 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: so, if it barely boots, what are you going to do to help that instead of complaining? |
| 06:19.09 | Stskeeps | :) |
| 06:19.23 | Stskeeps | goes make coffee |
| 06:19.27 | RST38h | Freeloading users vs stupid cell service provider: http://explorecomputerworld.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-get-free-internet-on-your.html |
| 06:19.33 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I hacked gps5300driver to theoretically work with mainline GPIO APIs |
| 06:19.34 | RST38h | (only in the USA, of course) |
| 06:19.40 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: it doesn't actually work, but I don't know why not |
| 06:21.37 | luke-jr | RST38h: my guess is that it's semi-intentional |
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| 06:21.41 | luke-jr | on T-mobile's part |
| 06:21.58 | luke-jr | (or they'll end up with a huge bill for all that usage) |
| 06:32.00 | RST38h | luke: I even suspect there is a generic URL for some server inside TMobile which takes external URL as an argument and relays |
| 06:32.19 | RST38h | luke: Of course these guys do not know that =) |
| 06:33.15 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: one of my goals for meego n8x0 is to have gps with geoclue too, so we'll figure something out |
| 06:33.54 | Stskeeps | we can rebuild binaries of the past since we have some people involved who's able to do so |
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| 07:40.47 | pupnik | Singapore has 130% mobile penetration rate, hong kong even more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Asia_Pacific_region#Singapore |
| 07:40.52 | pupnik | 139 |
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| 07:46.00 | pupnik | i wonder what percentage of the population has a cell phone |
| 07:47.54 | cehteh | less than 10%? |
| 07:48.12 | cato` | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Penetrasjon01.PNG |
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| 07:49.09 | pexi | what is that orange country in the middle of europe.. is it somehow important |
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| 07:50.00 | cato` | lol |
| 07:54.40 | valdyn | pexi: what is counted in that map? |
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| 08:14.25 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 08:14.38 | pupnik | huhu |
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| 08:14.48 | PhonicUK | anyone know an app that tells you your speed using GPS? |
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| 08:15.04 | PhonicUK | also im on a train so dodgy connection possible |
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| 08:18.42 | pupnik | PhonicUK: kismet |
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| 08:22.52 | TheGerman | good morning |
| 08:23.01 | pupnik | muuh |
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| 08:26.27 | TheGerman | know somebody the release date from the new The IT Crowd season on channl4 ? =) |
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| 08:36.23 | pupnik | i hope it sucks less |
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| 08:44.12 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: still arund? |
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| 09:01.51 | pupnik | Rock-Scissors-Paper world championships # pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org" <gcc-bugzilla at gcc dot gnu dot org> |
| 09:01.56 | pupnik | damnit |
| 09:02.22 | pupnik | sorry |
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| 09:02.56 | wall[e] | hi anyone know where sdk store rootstrap? |
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| 09:03.57 | wall[e] | E: Downloaded i386 rootstrap file failed integrity test. |
| 09:04.14 | wall[e] | i need to delete previously downloaded and reload it |
| 09:04.37 | wall[e] | nokia seems to be very stupid for everything about continue download |
| 09:11.01 | pupnik | many sites surprisingly don't support continuation - their loss |
| 09:12.19 | wall[e] | :S |
| 09:12.50 | wall[e] | enter numbers like thousand times |
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| 09:24.17 | pupnik | can we suspend hildon-desktop and hildon-status-menu? |
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| 09:24.30 | pupnik | as userspace apps |
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| 09:38.55 | RST38h | HELO folks |
| 09:39.08 | RST38h | Where do I get libgles2-dev and the SDL GLES stuff? |
| 09:39.42 | Stskeeps | nokia-binaries repo probably |
| 09:40.11 | RST38h | got a URL? |
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| 09:43.20 | RST38h | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 09:43.28 | RST38h | it is only present for the i386 hw |
| 09:43.34 | RST38h | but not for armel |
| 09:43.49 | RST38h | so how are you supposed to develop gles-based apps??? |
| 09:44.34 | Corsac | well, you can still develop |
| 09:44.43 | Corsac | you just can't run them |
| 09:44.52 | Corsac | but as you're a star developer, you *know* they work fine! |
| 09:45.46 | pupnik | opengles-sgx-img-common-dev - PowerVR SGX support development files |
| 09:45.46 | pupnik | libgles2-sgx-img-dev - OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files |
| 09:46.07 | Stskeeps | exists for armel just fine |
| 09:46.09 | pupnik | apt-cache search gles in sdk |
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| 09:47.31 | RST38h | found it |
| 09:48.38 | RST38h | ho ho ho |
| 09:48.46 | RST38h | it wanted the repo with nokia binaries |
| 09:48.57 | RST38h | somehow that fell off some time in the past |
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| 10:01.59 | RST38h | Is there some libsdl-gles? |
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| 10:20.07 | lbt | X-Fade: pingy... any OBS plans this weekend? |
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| 10:32.07 | pupnik___ | i would love more info on why 3G keeps dropping |
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| 10:48.35 | SpeedEvil | pupnik; I would also like more info on why your 3G keeps dropping. |
| 10:51.57 | Corsac | pupnik_: me too |
| 10:52.42 | Arkenoi | pupnik, moscow? because it sucks here. |
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| 11:07.49 | MohammadAG | murders Shapeshifter |
| 11:08.05 | MohammadAG | alarmed switched profiles twice |
| 11:08.21 | MohammadAG | oh well, at least i'll be awake till 5 now... |
| 11:10.11 | Schorschl | is there a feature list for 1.2 firmware? |
| 11:11.15 | MohammadAG | tmo |
| 11:11.27 | Schorschl | ? |
| 11:12.20 | MohammadAG | search for PR1.2 SDK |
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| 11:12.51 | MohammadAG | UGH! facebook added the N900 to mobile sites |
| 11:13.00 | MohammadAG | need to change the useragent grr |
| 11:13.43 | Schorschl | MohammadAG: thanks^^ and y u use facebook? :D |
| 11:14.14 | MohammadAG | not explaining that again |
| 11:14.30 | Schorschl | hope the bluetooth control issue in the mediaplayer will be fixed :D |
| 11:14.31 | MohammadAG | basically my mates are too stupid to use other protocols for communication |
| 11:15.34 | Schorschl | same with jabber :D |
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| 11:15.42 | Schorschl | everyone use icq^^ |
| 11:15.59 | MohammadAG | not here |
| 11:16.05 | MohammadAG | err |
| 11:16.12 | Appiah | err |
| 11:16.13 | Appiah | what |
| 11:16.14 | MohammadAG | microb resets the useragent? |
| 11:16.17 | Appiah | ICQ still exists? |
| 11:16.23 | Schorschl | y... |
| 11:16.31 | Schorschl | its a crappy protocol^^ |
| 11:16.57 | Schorschl | and all guys in germany love the ressource eating "blingbling" client |
| 11:17.08 | Appiah | hehe |
| 11:17.13 | Appiah | I still remeber my UIN for some reason |
| 11:17.47 | Schorschl | but a russian provider buied icq from aol last weeks |
| 11:18.13 | MohammadAG | figures, it was made by AOL |
| 11:18.26 | MohammadAG | i hate both ICQ and AIM |
| 11:18.27 | Appiah | no ICQ was bought by AOL |
| 11:18.34 | Appiah | long ago |
| 11:18.36 | Schorschl | aim was from aol |
| 11:18.44 | Schorschl | then they buid icq |
| 11:18.59 | Appiah | "Originally developed by Israeli company Mirabilis, ICQ" |
| 11:19.12 | Appiah | ", AOL acquired Mirabilis for more than $400 million" |
| 11:19.20 | MohammadAG | what a coincidence |
| 11:19.24 | Schorschl | but nobody wants to use jabber in this country |
| 11:19.30 | MohammadAG | nothing but crap is developed here |
| 11:19.39 | Appiah | jabber/xmpp has kind of nerd factor to it.. |
| 11:19.49 | Appiah | like IRC :D |
| 11:20.10 | Schorschl | yes, but there are much of nice and easy to use clients |
| 11:20.29 | Appiah | ye .. now , but MSN,ICQ,AIM has been around for quite sometime |
| 11:20.36 | Appiah | and its been "nice" and "easy" |
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| 11:21.15 | MohammadAG | just remembered Yahoo Messenger lol |
| 11:21.21 | Schorschl | and nobody want to use google talk^^ |
| 11:21.24 | MohammadAG | that stuff was crappy |
| 11:21.41 | MohammadAG | google talk isn't that popular |
| 11:21.43 | Schorschl | all guys are scared about google... |
| 11:21.47 | MohammadAG | but people use it :) |
| 11:21.49 | Schorschl | (in germany) |
| 11:22.10 | MohammadAG | they don't give a damn about your personal details ;) |
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| 11:22.50 | Schorschl | yes, but the newscasts make them scared |
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| 11:23.47 | Schorschl | "google steal wlan data (streetmap)" thats not true, but everyone bleive this |
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| 11:57.00 | SpeedEvil | Is there anywhere a text list of the repository QA queue for promotion to extras, rahter than scraping it? |
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| 12:02.22 | MohammadAG | not that i know of |
| 12:02.31 | MohammadAG | there's a list @ maemo.org/packages |
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| 12:20.27 | Schorschl | know somebody a good doc to use mysql as authentification backend for samba? |
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| 12:23.50 | Nadley | hi |
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| 12:31.44 | RST38h | rwxrwxrwx 1 fms 1000 37 2010-05-22 14:11 SDL_gles.h -> /opt/maemo/usr/include/SDL/SDL_gles.h |
| 12:31.52 | RST38h | Purrrrfect |
| 12:32.13 | RST38h | Who was the great light that optified a -dev package??? |
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| 12:32.40 | RST38h | And how does this person expect it to work??? |
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| 12:37.45 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> Who was the great light that optified a -dev package??? LOL |
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| 13:02.57 | Gh0sty | is it possible to search by number somehow? |
| 13:03.02 | Gh0sty | in my contacts i mean |
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| 13:03.28 | MohammadAG | haven't seen that in my N900 |
| 13:03.46 | Gh0sty | or is the list searchable somehow in backups for example? :/ |
| 13:04.06 | Gh0sty | need to verify my phone bill somehow i got overcharged ... so i need to lookup all phone numbers to who it's linked |
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| 13:06.17 | opdf2 | I'm not familiar with adblockers. Should I be using adflashblock-css or adblock? |
| 13:06.30 | MohammadAG | adblock + |
| 13:07.32 | GAN900 | Restart to get data back. Fun. |
| 13:07.52 | lmoura | whick product/component should I select to report a bug on fremantle's cdbs? |
| 13:07.59 | lmoura | s/whick/which/ |
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| 13:12.30 | opdf2 | so instructions sed to delete everything in the extension folder for microb before install adblock + |
| 13:12.37 | opdf2 | should i just delete symlink? |
| 13:12.45 | opdf2 | or targets as well? |
| 13:13.45 | opdf2 | following this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=661441&postcount=8 |
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| 13:16.16 | opdf2 | nm the only extension I havbe are geolocation and OVI, so no need to delet |
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| 13:23.33 | GAN900 | How do people feel about having a brainstorm day on IRC? |
| 13:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? |
| 13:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 13:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it always brainstorm day on irc? |
| 13:25.20 | RST38h | It is always timewasting day on irc. |
| 13:25.26 | RST38h | So, yes, brainstorms qualify |
| 13:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | or that |
| 13:25.32 | GAN900 | Well, yeah, but tying into the maemo.org brainstorming session we're having. |
| 13:25.40 | GAN900 | 3-6 hours just |
| 13:25.59 | GAN900 | My plan was to add a bit of bugday-esque live collaboration. |
| 13:26.00 | RST38h | GAN: Is there any tangible result expected from the session? |
| 13:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | scratches head |
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| 13:28.20 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I guess it will set the new corporate direction for the whole mobile phone industry. |
| 13:29.56 | SpeedEvil | Sounds in principle not insane. |
| 13:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: export all to vcard file and grep should do the trick. Though there ought be better ways |
| 13:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles about new corporate directions and OM and giggles |
| 13:32.17 | GAN900 | RST38h, hopefully to collect and improve ideas for the brainstorm. |
| 13:32.21 | GAN900 | (not the web app) |
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| 13:32.41 | RST38h | brainstorm to collect ideas about brainstorm? |
| 13:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | WIKIREADER, we need a WIKIREADER |
| 13:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
| 13:33.43 | RST38h | reboot. |
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| 13:34.43 | SpeedEvil | A e-ink screen on the back of the n900 would be very cool. |
| 13:37.05 | GAN900 | RST38h, did you see the announcement? |
| 13:37.08 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? |
| 13:37.30 | RST38h | GAN: Nope, I stopped following organizational things a while ago |
| 13:37.55 | RST38h | Still, every now and then I get that senseless hope that one of these mettings will change things for the better or something |
| 13:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | announcement? |
| 13:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | probably on tmo ;-P |
| 13:40.14 | Stskeeps | all over |
| 13:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm if it were on tp of every single post in every thread then possibly i'd have seen it |
| 13:41.40 | Stskeeps | use /thankedposts.php as well |
| 13:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | eeh? |
| 13:42.25 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lists, Talk and Planet. |
| 13:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | planet :-o |
| 13:42.46 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's all of the first page of the Community forum. |
| 13:42.56 | GAN900 | http://planet.maemo.org |
| 13:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | eeek |
| 13:43.12 | GAN900 | Should still be on the first page. |
| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | dwouldN900 IM Style Notifications From Python Lauri VõsandiTransifex Mobile Git Repository Quim GilSame Job, New Location: Santa Clara Valley (California) |
| 13:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | I give up |
| 13:44.51 | SpeedEvil | 'brainstorming maemo.org 2010' ? |
| 13:44.55 | SpeedEvil | 90% down |
| 13:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's not very important |
| 13:45.40 | Ken-Young | Everything pales compared to WikiReader. |
| 13:47.30 | RST38h | wonders what happens with maemo.org once the first nokia meego device comes out |
| 13:47.48 | RST38h | Will it become community-oriented version of corporate meego.org ? |
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| 13:48.17 | luke-jr | sigh, why do I even bother with cell phone carriers? |
| 13:48.19 | luke-jr | they're all scammers |
| 13:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | or end up like openmoko.org |
| 13:48.35 | SpeedEvil | looks up weego.com |
| 13:48.49 | SpeedEvil | I guess not. |
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| 13:50.01 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, posted by me. |
| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | some 5 devels struggling for ever more complex beter more broken devel versions of an OS for a device that isn't produced anymore |
| 13:50.22 | SpeedEvil | weego.mobi is free |
| 13:50.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 13:50.29 | SpeedEvil | morning. |
| 13:50.30 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: found a way ... looking in backups: Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db$ strings addressbook.db | grep -B 3 <insert phone number> |
| 13:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: that's great! |
| 13:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 13:51.10 | Gh0sty | now looking at why my phone bill is so high :/ |
| 13:51.34 | Gh0sty | too bad n900 can't explain that one ;) |
| 13:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | probably dataplan expired and they charged you by the bit |
| 13:51.47 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yeah - I have to buy another 6 months internet in a few days. |
| 13:51.55 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: 20 quid. |
| 13:52.05 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Cricket's $30/mo plan is billing me $43/mo |
| 13:52.07 | MohammadAG | Gh0sty, you can use home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db$ strings addressbook.db | grep -B 3 <insert phone number> too :) |
| 13:52.11 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: nah i called 360 minutes according to the bill :P |
| 13:52.11 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: ow. |
| 13:52.19 | MohammadAG | no need to backup and check ;) |
| 13:52.29 | MohammadAG | thanks though, it'll come handy one day |
| 13:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: sounds quite technically impossible |
| 13:52.51 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 13:52.52 | Gh0sty | :P |
| 13:53.06 | SpeedEvil | Nobody can actually use their n900 to make calls. |
| 13:53.10 | ZogG | holla |
| 13:53.12 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: needless to say, I won't be paying it |
| 13:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's N900, not FR :-P |
| 13:53.54 | SpeedEvil | I made more calls with my neo1973 than with my n900. |
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| 13:54.10 | Gh0sty | MohammadAG: how do i access home ... |
| 13:54.18 | Gh0sty | not through bluetooth? :/ |
| 13:54.31 | MohammadAG | terminal |
| 13:54.34 | MohammadAG | or ssh |
| 13:54.37 | MohammadAG | or sftp |
| 13:54.51 | Gh0sty | hm true i installed ssh on it ... never done that over bluetooth before however :p |
| 13:54.55 | Arkenoi | mapper just sucks. why am i forced to enter mile-long cryptic url to get traffic info and if i make a typo it just crashes dropping all my settings to the floor? if there are additional layers supported, why they are not pre-defined? |
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| 13:55.18 | MohammadAG | Gh0sty, bt? ssh uses wifi |
| 13:55.21 | MohammadAG | or usb |
| 13:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | maybe Gh0sty found big flaw of petrovich (and all apps using file selector) which is: MyDocs and uSD only |
| 13:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | what a bold insult |
| 13:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | "We are NOKIA, we *know* how to make user's life easier" -BAAHHH!! :-((( |
| 13:58.30 | Arkenoi | ah |
| 13:58.50 | Arkenoi | they always pretended that they make devices that are ahead of expectations |
| 13:59.06 | Arkenoi | not far behind what people requested as they actually are |
| 13:59.15 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I do not know why you are forced to do that: Yandex Traffic stuff comes configured by default |
| 13:59.17 | MohammadAG | is anyone else, other than me, not exactly looking forward to MeeGo? |
| 13:59.33 | Gh0sty | depends how old you are ? :P |
| 13:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | mmmmh, not so excited, yes |
| 13:59.46 | Gh0sty | looking forward to pr 1.2 |
| 13:59.53 | RST38h | Arkenoi: And if it not, there is a menu option to get all the map configurations from a special repo |
| 13:59.57 | MohammadAG | 16 |
| 14:00.08 | Gh0sty | oh then i'm older :) |
| 14:00.14 | Ken-Young | MohammadAG, Don't worry, they'll abandon Meego and do something else soon. |
| 14:00.36 | Gh0sty | heard a rumor somewhere that android has been running on n900 ?:P |
| 14:00.59 | MohammadAG | umm, rumor? |
| 14:00.59 | ZogG | is there a way to make links from apps to be opened in microb in background? |
| 14:01.06 | MohammadAG | it's under development |
| 14:01.19 | MohammadAG | ZogG, not in the background |
| 14:01.20 | Arkenoi | RST38h, ah, you are right. the web page is outdated and there is "sync" button that enables missing repositories ;-) |
| 14:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | as MeeGo was way too late for Intel's presentation of Z600 anyway... They for sure will kill it for that soon |
| 14:01.24 | Gh0sty | dont quite follow it ... just heard about that :) |
| 14:01.25 | ZogG | Gh0sty yeah #nitdroid |
| 14:01.39 | ZogG | MohammadAG is it possible to make so? |
| 14:01.49 | MohammadAG | yeah, dbus |
| 14:02.01 | MohammadAG | check Jebba's wiki page |
| 14:02.23 | ZogG | MohammadAG he managed that? |
| 14:02.28 | MohammadAG | ~dbus |
| 14:02.29 | infobot | well, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus, or a piece of junk, or reinvented by those who did not understood CORBA |
| 14:02.31 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 14:02.35 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
| 14:02.48 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it's used in many apps |
| 14:02.58 | ZogG | i know what is dbus |
| 14:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~listvalues jebba |
| 14:03.11 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
| 14:03.13 | ZogG | i mean did he did the thing i want? the background thing |
| 14:03.16 | MohammadAG | command is there |
| 14:03.24 | MohammadAG | not in the background |
| 14:03.27 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 14:03.40 | ZogG | so what the point =) |
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| 14:04.15 | ZogG | what is* |
| 14:04.23 | MohammadAG | idk |
| 14:04.26 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 14:04.43 | MohammadAG | ZogG, apparently the BH-905 are available here, for 1100 nis |
| 14:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | stop talking to each other's hand |
| 14:05.07 | ZogG | too much |
| 14:05.15 | ZogG | link? |
| 14:05.37 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer sup? how was your weekend honey? |
| 14:05.40 | MohammadAG | Office Depot, some guy told me |
| 14:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | the last one or the long one ahead |
| 14:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 14:06.27 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 14:06.40 | Stskeeps | GAN900: you should be happy, i've finally bought a good camera |
| 14:06.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | joins in |
| 14:07.26 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, DSLR? |
| 14:07.40 | GAN900 | Jaffa, so, break this week or do you want me to carry it? |
| 14:07.50 | ZogG | Stskeeps 3D? =) |
| 14:07.51 | Stskeeps | GAN900: nikon d5000 |
| 14:08.23 | Stskeeps | my wife got pissed enough at my old camera that we bought a new one :P |
| 14:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | ohohoh dangerous |
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| 14:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | what if she thinks she doesn't look any slimmer on the pictures of the new one? :-o |
| 14:09.12 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, cool. |
| 14:09.28 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, friend of mine is about to ge the Panasonic GH1 to do short films. |
| 14:10.12 | Jaffa | GAN900: This week: goes ahead as normal. Next week: break. |
| 14:11.23 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ah, OK. |
| 14:12.12 | Jaffa | GAN900: Not got time between now and being offline to set up permissions etc. |
| 14:12.56 | Jaffa | GAN900: I suppose I *could* set it up on an empty Google Doc to auto-publish and then it's a manual job of looking at output on http://twitter.com/mwkn and building the format manually |
| 14:13.13 | GAN900 | Jaffa, I don't have a problem doing that. |
| 14:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: sorry, of course I didn't want to say any of your contributions to planet is unimportant |
| 14:13.55 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, was looking to clarify, wasn't offended. ;) |
| 14:14.00 | arachnist | http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Log.html#wtf%28java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%29 |
| 14:14.13 | Jaffa | GAN900: Cool; wouldn't want to miss anything interesting - time's running out on MeeGo 1.0, although history says it'll be out after we publish MWKN ;-) |
| 14:14.13 | DocScrutinizer | just it's drowned in the random noise :-S |
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| 14:14.31 | GAN900 | Of COURSE my contributions to Planet aren't important. They're generally useless biased drivel. :P |
| 14:14.35 | GAN900 | Thus, Planet |
| 14:14.53 | GAN900 | and all you chumps failed to heart it enough to boost it up on News. :P |
| 14:14.54 | Stskeeps | has difficulties figuring out where he fits in the maemo.org brainstorm still |
| 14:15.02 | MohammadAG | don't see the use, but xchat runs well in portrait mode |
| 14:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | as well |
| 14:15.42 | Stskeeps | well, at least regarding my role |
| 14:15.51 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, you get to compile the wiki pages. We had a vote while you were buying the camera. |
| 14:16.03 | Stskeeps | GAN900: error line 1: not C |
| 14:16.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:16.32 | MohammadAG | dpkg --purge Stskeeps |
| 14:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | od Stskeeps | scramble |
| 14:18.16 | RST38h | GAN: At least you are not constantly announcing obscure Fennec features =) |
| 14:18.17 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I don't think you really DO fit into the brainstorm. |
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| 14:21.07 | Stskeeps | well, as in what would apply for me :P |
| 14:22.05 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, not much. |
| 14:22.13 | GAN900 | MeeGo/platform focus |
| 14:22.19 | GAN900 | Both out of scope |
| 14:22.35 | GAN900 | So just contribute your usual insight where you feel compelled to. :P |
| 14:22.40 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 14:22.55 | Stskeeps | javispedro: oh, girish said we should just tell him what we need and what to add |
| 14:24.13 | javispedro | ah, no chances to see the source of it |
| 14:24.15 | javispedro | :( |
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| 14:25.19 | pupnik_ | javispedro: i can make all kinds of slower builds :) |
| 14:26.06 | Stskeeps | javispedro: anything else than a call to kernel with a ioctl? |
| 14:26.22 | Stskeeps | on Flip() |
| 14:27.48 | javispedro | yes, no other idea so far |
| 14:27.57 | javispedro | an ioctl to /dev/omaplcd? |
| 14:28.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 14:28.35 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, damnit, I fell for SD69's false premise. |
| 14:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | who's girish? |
| 14:28.41 | Stskeeps | GAN900: hm? |
| 14:28.45 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: TI contact |
| 14:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 14:28.51 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, sorry, didn't mean to imply you had changed your mind. |
| 14:29.04 | Stskeeps | ah, i know |
| 14:29.08 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I find your current position perfectly consistent with your usual one. |
| 14:29.18 | satmd | :) |
| 14:29.25 | ZogG | <MohammadAG> dpkg --purge Stskeeps | USE="-MohammadAG" emerge maemo |
| 14:29.28 | Stskeeps | i did change my mind regarding -maemo-, as in, why bother opening up a platform fully when they skipped ahead a couple of years |
| 14:29.35 | Stskeeps | and made a open one by default |
| 14:29.55 | satmd | ZogG: I don't see how this will help anyone |
| 14:30.06 | javispedro | note that I found note that only mbxdaemon dlopens libomaplcd |
| 14:30.09 | ZogG | it wont make worser |
| 14:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: lol |
| 14:30.48 | ZogG | Stskeeps pitty it's not fully open =) |
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| 14:31.05 | luke-jr | FWIW, the MBX kernel modules are in the Gentoo overlay now |
| 14:31.13 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 14:31.14 | crashanddie | GAN900: boost SSO you twat |
| 14:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as long as *somebody* bothers about backporting all the open goodies back to maemo, I won't frown |
| 14:31.23 | pupnik_ | hmm i cannot see the connections made via myhotspot |
| 14:31.32 | crashanddie | GAN900: I'm tired of having to log in to maemo.org, the only thing I do is click on <3 |
| 14:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: as I can't see myself moving to meego next, say, 18 months |
| 14:32.25 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: as far as i know, fremantle will still have a good long life and qt will be coming out for it |
| 14:32.34 | Stskeeps | along with qt mobility it looks like |
| 14:32.39 | GAN900 | crashanddie, having more persistant logins would go a long way towatds fixing things. |
| 14:32.40 | luke-jr | I can't see myself getting a phone ever unless these stupid cell providers stop trying to scam me :( |
| 14:33.06 | crashanddie | GAN900: just tell x-fade to set the sessions work with cookies, and have the cookies run for 2 months |
| 14:33.10 | Stskeeps | move out of the US, luke-jr |
| 14:33.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:33.21 | ZogG | i think i need to emerge MohammadAG back, he is not talking anymore =) |
| 14:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | this evil mindset of forcing people to new platform by simply not supporting the old one anymore, this made me switch to KDE4 ~6months ago, and makes me swear and shout every day several times now |
| 14:33.41 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: where can I move that won't extradict me? how will I get there? |
| 14:33.44 | GAN900 | luke-jr, why are you trying to buy subsidized? |
| 14:33.49 | luke-jr | GAN900: I'm not. |
| 14:33.57 | GAN900 | luke-jr, what's the scam? |
| 14:34.07 | luke-jr | GAN900: Cricket is billing me $43/mo for their $30/mo plan |
| 14:34.15 | MohammadAG | ZogG, lurking |
| 14:34.20 | Stskeeps | is this due to VAT or something? |
| 14:34.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:34.26 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: there is no VAT in the US |
| 14:34.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, go back to GNOME, seriously... |
| 14:34.31 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: sales tax, then |
| 14:34.34 | GAN900 | luke-jr, FCC fees and taxes? |
| 14:34.36 | ZogG | moooooo |
| 14:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | I never WAS on gnome |
| 14:34.51 | ZogG | KDE and GNOME are evil |
| 14:34.54 | ZogG | xfce4 |
| 14:34.55 | luke-jr | fees/taxes that go from $30 to $43? |
| 14:35.03 | GAN900 | There are federal, state and sometimes municipal taxes that apply. |
| 14:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | tried that crap for ~1day. Too windowesque |
| 14:35.09 | MohammadAG | s/go back/switch to/ |
| 14:35.14 | GAN900 | luke-jr, your bill should break it down. |
| 14:35.22 | luke-jr | GAN900: my bill makes absolutely no sense |
| 14:35.25 | MohammadAG | -to |
| 14:35.31 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, too what? |
| 14:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | and it uses gconf :-((( |
| 14:35.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, KDE is windows-ish |
| 14:35.43 | ZogG | KDE is ugly |
| 14:35.45 | luke-jr | I see maybe $8 in fees/taxes that I didn't approve |
| 14:35.47 | crashanddie | 'later |
| 14:35.49 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: luxemburg, maybe |
| 14:35.52 | ZogG | i don't understand how people liek it |
| 14:35.55 | MohammadAG | frals, uses gconf, we should get rid of him too |
| 14:36.05 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: ... isn't that in Germany? |
| 14:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | I give a shit bout ugly. KDE3 was tailored to fit my needs, in a ~8 years of constant tweaking |
| 14:36.25 | *** part/#maemo angie (~angieb@unaffiliated/angie) |
| 14:36.26 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg |
| 14:36.45 | luke-jr | between totally-insane cell service and totally-insane government, I'll stick with totally-insane cell service |
| 14:36.54 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, at least it's not so ugly and it's more modular, you don't need to install everything to get it working, while in gnome and kde it brings so many libs |
| 14:37.02 | GAN900 | luke-jr, same thing happens with your cable bill. |
| 14:37.08 | luke-jr | GAN900: nope |
| 14:37.16 | luke-jr | they advertise $45/mo; I pay $45/mo |
| 14:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I simply don't care |
| 14:37.17 | ZogG | GAN900 hey ganster |
| 14:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: as I'd install everything anyway |
| 14:37.31 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i don't care what you care, i told you - so do it!!!! |
| 14:37.37 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ubuntu? |
| 14:37.41 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: i'm going to assume you're not part of the tea party |
| 14:37.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:37.44 | GAN900 | ZogG, howdy. |
| 14:37.55 | ZogG | GAN900, fine you know |
| 14:37.59 | satmd | answers late |
| 14:38.14 | ZogG | so i heard about pr1.2 this week =) |
| 14:38.17 | ZogG | ~pr1.2 |
| 14:38.18 | infobot | pr1.2 is, like, not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 14:38.19 | satmd | but it is risky to say a change would not make things worse - out of the blue |
| 14:38.22 | Arkenoi | luke-jr, we have noth here and i guess both are worse |
| 14:38.24 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, out of interest, how is the Tea Party portrayed in the media over there? |
| 14:38.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, seriously though, give gnome a go |
| 14:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ubuntu --> http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 14:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | NO I WON'T |
| 14:38.38 | Stskeeps | GAN900: i watch the daily show as an information source, so, batshit insane |
| 14:38.48 | satmd | if we're at wms, I suggest fvwm |
| 14:39.00 | GAN900 | notes the US media was tripping all over themselves to blame the Times Square attempt on the Tea Party. |
| 14:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | its name starts with a g, like gconftool |
| 14:39.08 | satmd | stops making bad jokes |
| 14:39.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, XFCE4? :P |
| 14:39.10 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, ah, yeah, so completely irrationally. |
| 14:39.11 | Stskeeps | GAN900: but really, we just ignore most internal US politics |
| 14:39.16 | luke-jr | oh, Luxem *isn't* part of Germany... :p |
| 14:39.27 | satmd | lol, no it is not, luke-jr |
| 14:39.33 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: assuming it's sane, the bigger question is hwo to get there |
| 14:39.36 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer yeah something liek gconf |
| 14:39.43 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, warning: Stewart is incredibly biased. |
| 14:39.54 | Stskeeps | GAN900: i know |
| 14:39.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, your name ends with G, your country starts with G, invalid argument |
| 14:40.01 | ZogG | gconftool-2 or something like that |
| 14:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | my country starts with D after all |
| 14:40.21 | Stskeeps | GAN900: it's horrible when sarcastic news seem to cover more about reality than real media |
| 14:40.22 | ZogG | if you say G in russia it stands for Sh#t |
| 14:40.35 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer duetchland? =) |
| 14:40.38 | MohammadAG | germany starts a D? |
| 14:40.44 | MohammadAG | ZogG, govno |
| 14:40.44 | ZogG | MohammadAG ^ |
| 14:40.49 | ZogG | MohammadAG, yeap =) |
| 14:40.50 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, neither are particularly good. |
| 14:41.07 | GAN900 | It's not worth trying to be informed by TV. |
| 14:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | btw *my* country starts with U like Utopia |
| 14:41.22 | Stskeeps | usually collects news online instead |
| 14:41.29 | ZogG | MohammadAG have you bought microsd? |
| 14:41.31 | Stskeeps | here i'm stuck to polish news, which seems to have very little foreign material |
| 14:41.46 | MohammadAG | ZogG, 32GB, not yet |
| 14:41.47 | javispedro | pupnik: well, at least it is a relief to know that I didn't break the build much :) |
| 14:42.01 | ZogG | have anyone saw wine under n900? |
| 14:42.08 | luke-jr | ZogG: forget it |
| 14:42.12 | Arkenoi | zogd: impossible |
| 14:42.17 | ZogG | luke-jr, it's there already |
| 14:42.20 | ZogG | Arkenoi, posible |
| 14:42.24 | MohammadAG | still debating whether i'm stupid enough to pay €300 for the BH-905 |
| 14:42.24 | GAN900 | Because they're all in somebody's pocket or pushing their insane agenda. |
| 14:42.31 | ZogG | i didn't say i need it |
| 14:42.38 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, don't do it! |
| 14:42.38 | Arkenoi | zogd: to run winCE programs, maybe |
| 14:42.47 | ZogG | Arkenoi, zogg* |
| 14:42.52 | Arkenoi | desktop windows is x86 only |
| 14:42.57 | javispedro | they use qemu-user + plus a older wine pre-nptl binary |
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| 14:43.01 | ZogG | Arkenoi, i don't need it - but i say any port and any extra is good |
| 14:43.05 | Arkenoi | and wine runs native code, it is just api emulation, not cpu |
| 14:43.06 | javispedro | because the nptl is awfully slow |
| 14:43.15 | MohammadAG | GAN900, care to elaborate more? ;) |
| 14:43.18 | javispedro | *ntpl emulation in qemu user |
| 14:43.20 | ZogG | Arkenoi wine is NOT emulator |
| 14:43.22 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, OK, do it! |
| 14:43.23 | luke-jr | Arkenoi: that's what qemu is for |
| 14:43.37 | MohammadAG | GAN900, care to elaborate more? |
| 14:44.08 | Arkenoi | if you run qemu then there is no reason to run wine |
| 14:44.09 | ZogG | so Tomasz Sterna is porting maemo for android hardware= ) |
| 14:44.44 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, I don't actually have an opinion |
| 14:44.59 | GAN900 | But that sounds like way too much money for headphones |
| 14:45.07 | ZogG | www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcEsJc74Qs&feature=player_embedded - wine under n900 |
| 14:45.09 | MohammadAG | indeed lol |
| 14:45.12 | javispedro | Arkenoi: well, dunno, as even with qemu-user + emulated wine some stuff is running native (instead of everything emulated as qemu-system would do) |
| 14:45.17 | GAN900 | At least from a company that doesn't specialize in them. |
| 14:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | damn, could all of you (except luke-jr ) please change the checksum of your nicks? the show up here from turquoise (mohammad) over light blue dark blue, to royal blue ( Arkenoi ) ;-P |
| 14:45.45 | MohammadAG | GAN900, actually I think they did with those pair |
| 14:45.49 | GAN900 | Kinda like spending $1500 on a 6.1 setup from Onkyo. |
| 14:45.57 | MohammadAG | Active Noise Cancelation is what I want :) |
| 14:45.59 | javispedro | so a benchmark qemu-user + wine vs qemu-system + windows is nice |
| 14:46.10 | luke-jr | Arkenoi: qemu-user != qemu-softmmu |
| 14:46.14 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, Bose is actually one of the best for that. |
| 14:46.35 | luke-jr | javispedro: the result is obvious |
| 14:46.44 | MohammadAG | GAN900, aren't they the apple of headphones? (way overpriced?) |
| 14:46.57 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer mirc? =))))))))) |
| 14:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | Kontact |
| 14:47.12 | luke-jr | seeing as WINE already outperforms Windows on native x86_32, adding emulation to both wouldn't change that |
| 14:47.12 | ZogG | MohammadAG, buy iphone |
| 14:47.15 | MohammadAG | someone told me about Sennheiser (i spelled it wrong) |
| 14:47.33 | GAN900 | But the audio is crap. |
| 14:47.40 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, damn kde user - you suffer 'cause of yourself |
| 14:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you're dark blue |
| 14:47.54 | arachnist | sennheiser? i have two pairs of sennheiser headphones |
| 14:47.55 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer it's good i'm not pink |
| 14:47.58 | luke-jr | what would be interesting is if someone wrote a GCC backend for Win32 binaries and could build native winelib ARM bins ;) |
| 14:48.15 | Schorschl | MohammadAG: "Sennheiser" is correct |
| 14:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | arachnist is kinda dark oink :-P |
| 14:48.20 | MrPink | \o/ |
| 14:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | pink even |
| 14:48.44 | luke-jr | should be possible as long as the app doesn't do some kind of CRC to itself |
| 14:48.48 | javispedro | luke-jr: isn't that called winegcc? ;) winelib should already build for ARMs these days |
| 14:48.49 | arachnist | one bluetooth (mm100) which i use with the n900 and hd595, which have quite a nice cable |
| 14:48.59 | Schorschl | but the best wireless headphones comes from "AKG" :) |
| 14:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | MrPink is blue though XP |
| 14:49.01 | luke-jr | javispedro: winegcc IIRC only works with source code |
| 14:49.16 | ZogG | xmms2> System Of A Down - Lonely Day ["Hypnotize (Retail)" 2005 Sony/BMG] |
| 14:49.20 | luke-jr | javispedro: I'm talking about treating the Win32 EXE as "source code" |
| 14:49.29 | satmd | luke-jr: native winelibs arm? |
| 14:49.31 | MohammadAG | MrPink is pink here |
| 14:49.37 | satmd | what exactly do you mean? |
| 14:49.38 | javispedro | luke-jr: ah yes, then that's my beloved long term plan too. |
| 14:49.41 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you're greenish blue :P |
| 14:49.49 | luke-jr | satmd: rebuild EXE files as normal Linux binaries |
| 14:49.51 | satmd | has a gcc toolchain that build mingw32 binaries for win32 |
| 14:49.53 | MohammadAG | greenish starts with a g |
| 14:49.54 | satmd | oh |
| 14:49.58 | satmd | other way around |
| 14:50.02 | luke-jr | javispedro: see, I lost interest when I realized I have no need for Win32 apps :) |
| 14:50.05 | MohammadAG | i think gnome was made for you DocScrutinizer XP |
| 14:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, to bash it |
| 14:50.30 | satmd | mhm |
| 14:50.40 | javispedro | luke-jr: but without recompilation, launching qemu right after loading the exe binary. |
| 14:50.54 | satmd | iirc, there is a project helping at compiling windows code(!) to linux binaries using wine |
| 14:51.04 | satmd | but it won't take just a .exe |
| 14:51.05 | luke-jr | satmd: code, yes |
| 14:51.13 | luke-jr | in any case, I don't care really :P |
| 14:51.17 | javispedro | that project is "wine", btw. |
| 14:51.23 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, Bose's audio is terrible across their product line |
| 14:51.25 | satmd | well, it would not be trivial to be honest |
| 14:51.26 | luke-jr | anyone up for FREECIV? |
| 14:51.33 | luke-jr | satmd: it is :p |
| 14:51.44 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, but their headphone have some of the best noise cancelling and the best comfort. |
| 14:51.45 | MohammadAG | WINE: Windows Is Not Effecient |
| 14:51.59 | GAN900 | Even though the audio is about on par with an $80 pair. |
| 14:52.02 | satmd | ;) |
| 14:52.12 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 14:52.30 | luke-jr | ... |
| 14:52.36 | luke-jr | freeciv kills the chat ;( |
| 14:52.38 | satmd | and btw gnome is causing a lot of pain to me :P |
| 14:52.44 | javispedro | hmm |
| 14:53.00 | Stskeeps | anyone with opera for maeo installed? |
| 14:53.00 | javispedro | someone is now redistributing the non-redistributable sun embedded jre in tmo |
| 14:53.13 | Stskeeps | 'report post'? |
| 14:53.14 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, here |
| 14:53.21 | javispedro | including trialware time-bomb killling instructions |
| 14:53.27 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: could you run 'ldd' on it's binary for me? |
| 14:53.32 | javispedro | Stskeeps: gtk |
| 14:53.33 | MohammadAG | hildon-status-menu crashed and it didn't start again |
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| 14:53.43 | MohammadAG | oh right, i killed the watchdog |
| 14:53.48 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, sec |
| 14:56.48 | merlin1991 | is lost trying to find the scratchbox setup tutorial in the wiki, anyone with a link? |
| 14:57.08 | Arkenoi | javispedro, which jre does microemulator use? |
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| 14:58.04 | angie | does anyone run meego on the n900 |
| 14:58.11 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, still opening pastebin gah |
| 14:58.11 | MohammadAG | infobot, maemosdk |
| 14:58.12 | infobot | maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 14:58.30 | javispedro | Arendtsen: dunno? |
| 14:58.32 | javispedro | er.. |
| 14:58.36 | javispedro | Arkenoi^ |
| 15:00.21 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/R6YMDw3B |
| 15:00.25 | MohammadAG | had to kill dpkg |
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| 15:01.23 | Stskeeps | k, thanks |
| 15:04.51 | merlin1991 | thx MohammadAG |
| 15:07.00 | Stskeeps | generates another image of the n810 meego m0 attempt |
| 15:08.09 | RST38h | yoooo |
| 15:08.29 | happyblob | stskeeps: is MeeGo m0 n00b-friendly for testing? I'd like to help but i'm rubbish :P |
| 15:08.41 | RST38h | "Researchers trying to determine the age of deceased individuals are finding success with a new method: looking in people's mouths. Nuclear bomb testing in the 1950s, it turns out, turned everyone's teeth into radioactive clocks." |
| 15:08.56 | RST38h | happy: No, don't bother until the version with the UI is out |
| 15:09.25 | happyblob | ok cheers thought that might be |
| 15:09.28 | ZogG | happyblob, right after pr1.2 =) so i say next decay |
| 15:09.31 | Stskeeps | happyblob: it will boot into xfce4 and have usb networking and you need to flash the rootfs in NAND |
| 15:09.35 | Stskeeps | so not newbie friendly |
| 15:09.58 | ZogG | Stskeeps xfce4 ? how is it connected? |
| 15:10.07 | Stskeeps | ZogG: there's a xfce4 for moblin (and hence for meego) |
| 15:10.16 | MohammadAG | how do i restart hildon-status-menu? |
| 15:10.21 | MohammadAG | nvm, dsmetool |
| 15:10.33 | ZogG | hence is xfce4 baed mobile DE? |
| 15:10.39 | happyblob | ok ta. glad you got some x action up :) |
| 15:10.41 | Stskeeps | no |
| 15:10.44 | Stskeeps | just good old xfce4 |
| 15:10.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:10.53 | ZogG | so what is hence? |
| 15:11.01 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, N900 image available? :) |
| 15:11.13 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no, wait for 1.0 |
| 15:11.31 | MohammadAG | thought 1.0 was released, my bad |
| 15:12.16 | ZogG | there is image for n900 |
| 15:12.36 | Stskeeps | well, yes, codedrop |
| 15:12.47 | ZogG | so you get image and than you isntall xfce4 yourself or there is ARM pkg? |
| 15:12.54 | MohammadAG | with a bash shell, I know about it |
| 15:12.58 | Stskeeps | ZogG: arm pkg |
| 15:13.04 | Stskeeps | ZogG: you have a n810? |
| 15:13.05 | ZogG | ok |
| 15:13.10 | ZogG | Stskeeps, i have n900 |
| 15:13.20 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 15:13.33 | ZogG | one day i'll have guts to install gentoo on n900 |
| 15:13.46 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, was the Mer project stopped? |
| 15:13.57 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: right, no point continuing |
| 15:14.09 | ZogG | why not? |
| 15:14.17 | ZogG | cause of meego? |
| 15:14.22 | Stskeeps | meego's pretty much doing what we wanted to do |
| 15:14.22 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, may I ask who came up with that decision? :) |
| 15:14.25 | Stskeeps | me? |
| 15:14.35 | MohammadAG | shoots Stskeeps |
| 15:14.36 | ZogG | i don't think there is any linux project that was made till the end |
| 15:14.38 | happyblob | what happened to mer^2? |
| 15:14.51 | happyblob | i thought there were some legitimate aims there |
| 15:14.53 | javispedro | this again? :) |
| 15:14.53 | ZogG | mer 2 point 0 |
| 15:15.03 | Stskeeps | happyblob: the general consensus seems to be that people want meego instead of recompiling fremantle |
| 15:15.06 | ZogG | i say we make kmer |
| 15:15.12 | ZogG | kde4 based |
| 15:15.17 | ZogG | for n770 |
| 15:15.19 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, tbh I was more interested and excited about Mer than MeeGo |
| 15:15.20 | ZogG | =D |
| 15:15.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | shoots MohammadAG |
| 15:15.37 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, what about the N810? |
| 15:15.38 | ZogG | MohammadAG, but mer was unofficial, wasn't it? |
| 15:15.46 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: what about it? meego runs on there :) |
| 15:15.52 | MohammadAG | yes, that's what was exciting about it |
| 15:16.03 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, MeeGo runs on the N810? |
| 15:16.31 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: around same time N900 did, so did N810 |
| 15:16.36 | ZogG | meego runs in microwaves as intel said |
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| 15:16.56 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: in fact, i brought meego on n810 to the first team meeting |
| 15:16.59 | ZogG | maybe there are i7 in them but who cares it's microwave =) |
| 15:17.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | runs circles around meego |
| 15:17.20 | ZogG | Stskeeps, there is thread in talks, i assume it';s yours |
| 15:17.43 | ZogG | i don't care if it's meego or maemo or whatever until it works properly =) |
| 15:17.48 | ZogG | and has the future |
| 15:17.56 | arachnist | runs his phenom on meego |
| 15:18.11 | Stskeeps | ZogG: and i agree |
| 15:18.17 | Stskeeps | so keep on using your current system |
| 15:18.22 | javispedro | plans to buy an i5 to skip the entire meego_x86 sse3 debacle |
| 15:18.26 | ZogG | that's what i do |
| 15:18.34 | ZogG | if n900 was't main phone i would expeement |
| 15:18.42 | ZogG | but i don't have time to srew it up |
| 15:18.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | runs over #maemo |
| 15:19.12 | javispedro | kicks DocScrutinizer from #meego for being OT .... ooops. |
| 15:19.20 | ZogG | anyway i heard rumors that Terminator is running meego and would be send from future to kill steeve Jobs before iphone is released |
| 15:20.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: DocScrutinizer51 here. And I'm not even sure I'm on #meego :-P |
| 15:21.04 | ZogG | you are on different client there |
| 15:21.25 | MohammadAG | MeeGo uses RPM, and I hate that as much as DocScrutinizer51 hates gnome :) |
| 15:21.41 | MohammadAG | 51, derived from RX-51 |
| 15:21.58 | ZogG | MohammadAG, why would you hate rpm |
| 15:22.05 | ZogG | i don't care but you can convince me |
| 15:22.25 | MohammadAG | why should I if you don't care? :) |
| 15:22.41 | MohammadAG | grr brb |
| 15:22.43 | MohammadAG | chem |
| 15:22.46 | javispedro | grabs some popcorn and and a cushy sofa |
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| 15:23.08 | MohammadAG | raises javispedro's port voltage to 6V |
| 15:23.13 | Arkenoi | does not feel that either rpm or dpkg are significantly superior to other one |
| 15:23.21 | Arkenoi | s/are/is/ |
| 15:23.54 | javispedro | yawns at the idea of not having a deb vs rpm flame :'( |
| 15:23.56 | satmd | so... it does not matter |
| 15:24.08 | satmd | it really does not |
| 15:25.12 | Arkenoi | has rpm on desktop and development server and ubuntu on netbook and both are equally usable |
| 15:25.26 | arachnist | both deb and rpm suck. but at least rpm spec files are easier to write |
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| 15:26.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 15:26.18 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:26.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 15:26.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | foobar |
| 15:27.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/bar/rar/ |
| 15:28.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen Arkenoi |
| 15:28.34 | infobot | arkenoi is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 14m 13s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 5m 12s, last said: 'javispedro, which jre does microemulator use?'. |
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| 15:29.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | cough |
| 15:29.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
| 15:30.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | action |
| 15:30.02 | javispedro | pongs DocScrutinizer with a big ball |
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| 15:30.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | humbly asks for another big latte macchiato |
| 15:30.59 | GAN900 | Frufru coffee |
| 15:31.37 | javispedro | ponders |
| 15:31.38 | javispedro | ok |
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| 15:31.49 | javispedro | so I know that garnetvm is calling cacheflush using old abi |
| 15:32.01 | javispedro | but I've objdump -D * | grep swi to no avail |
| 15:32.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | not noticing it was an action is quite a fail |
| 15:32.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
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| 15:38.20 | frals | ~seen frals |
| 15:38.21 | infobot | frals is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 45 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen frals'. |
| 15:38.38 | arachnist | ~seen infobot |
| 15:38.38 | infobot | infobot is currently on #utos (4d 7h 49m 2s) #asterisk-doc (4d 7h 49m 2s) ##t42 (4d 7h 49m 2s) #maemo (4d 7h 49m 2s) #fredlug (4d 7h 49m 2s) ##ols (4d 7h 49m 2s) #flyspray (4d 7h 49m 2s) #asterisk-dev (4d 7h 49m 2s) #webos-internals (4d 7h 49m 2s) #opensimpad.org (4d 7h 49m 2s) #asterisk (4d 7h 49m 2s) #byumug (4d 7h 49m 2s) #wowprogramming (4d 7h 49m ... |
| 15:38.59 | arachnist | ~seen arachnist |
| 15:39.00 | infobot | arachnist is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen arachnist'. |
| 15:39.13 | MohammadAG | you killed freenode |
| 15:39.18 | arachnist | hah |
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| 15:40.53 | javispedro | hmm.... does anyone know what does the gnu disassembler understand for "svcpl", "svcvs" mnemonics before I have to look up the opcodes? |
| 15:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell arachnist about query |
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| 15:43.13 | javispedro | discovers svc=swi, ah well. |
| 15:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | ferengi math? |
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| 15:44.01 | javispedro | is the marketing a star trek federation of marketers? then, yes. |
| 15:44.09 | javispedro | er.. |
| 15:44.22 | javispedro | are the ferengi a star trek federation race of known marketers? then, yes. |
| 15:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone seen javispedro and Yoda in the same room? |
| 15:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | that's Lukas, not Roddenberry |
| 15:45.57 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: you have a problem with my english? it directly from the master comes itself! |
| 15:46.05 | javispedro | ;P |
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| 15:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | so quiet here. lemme spam some OT... |
| 15:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | Take a pintglass (= approx 5 litres) |
| 15:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://supercocktails.com/1851/Pan-Galactic-Gargle-Blaster |
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| 15:53.07 | MohammadAG | yep, DocScrutinizer's bored alright |
| 15:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | is gogling in vain for receipe of Geenon-T'Onyx |
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| 16:08.38 | Schorschl | tihihi http://www.designtagebuch.de/pixels-invasion-der-8-bit-kreaturen/ |
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| 16:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dont-panic.png |
| 16:13.03 | Schorschl | this video is pretty nice^^ |
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| 16:13.19 | ZogG | video? |
| 16:13.38 | Schorschl | the link to the blog |
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| 16:13.53 | RST38h | moo zap |
| 16:14.03 | zap | hi :) |
| 16:14.21 | ZogG | Schorschl image* |
| 16:15.09 | Schorschl | oh no, i dont mean the image :D |
| 16:15.22 | ZogG | openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/iwantyou2.png |
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| 16:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dontpanic-uboot.png even better (of course, was built to custom for me - like the other 2, but this seems the last version ;-P ) |
| 16:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | somebody said he's going to create a 'video' from it, to replace the shaking hands. Quite some months ago... |
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| 16:22.28 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 16:22.38 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, any idea how much the accelerometer takes? |
| 16:22.44 | MohammadAG | hi PhonicUK |
| 16:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | how much it *takes*? |
| 16:23.01 | PhonicUK | whats that app that lets you use an N900 as a PS3 controller? |
| 16:23.31 | PhonicUK | i cant find it |
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| 16:23.59 | TomaszD | something like sixaxis |
| 16:24.06 | MohammadAG | SIXAXIS(TM) Support |
| 16:24.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, how much mAs it uses? |
| 16:24.58 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Essetially nothing compared to the CPU power used in the wakeups |
| 16:25.02 | PhonicUK | i thought that was to use the PS3 controller to control an N900 |
| 16:25.30 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, oh so turning off rotation doesn't really save power |
| 16:25.30 | SpeedEvil | wonders where his n900 is. |
| 16:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Vdd Supply voltage 2.16 2.5 3.6 V |
| 16:25.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Well - There is a seperate thing. |
| 16:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | Idd Supply current T = 25°C, ODR=100Hz 0.3 0.4 mA |
| 16:26.01 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, what exactly did you ask for? |
| 16:26.03 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Done right, rotation is not done by polling the accel. |
| 16:26.18 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: But by interrupts. |
| 16:26.27 | PhonicUK | to make the N900 behave like a PS3 controller |
| 16:26.41 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Anyway - it's largely irrelevant - with the screen on - that tends to dwarf everything. |
| 16:26.46 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, and is it "done right" on the N900? |
| 16:26.49 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 16:26.52 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Not looked. |
| 16:26.55 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, BlueMaemo |
| 16:27.11 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: So if the screen is +- one brightness step, that will have a much greater impact. |
| 16:27.14 | PhonicUK | ty |
| 16:27.19 | MohammadAG | developed by VDVsx |
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| 16:28.22 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so 63 to 255 makes a difference? |
| 16:28.29 | MohammadAG | 63 being level 4 |
| 16:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sorry what? |
| 16:29.02 | MohammadAG | brightness |
| 16:29.08 | MohammadAG | display brightness |
| 16:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it makes a diff |
| 16:29.22 | MohammadAG | the 255 should've gave it away |
| 16:29.26 | MohammadAG | 3 mins? |
| 16:29.29 | MohammadAG | or so |
| 16:29.50 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: a _huge_ difference. |
| 16:30.12 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: IIRC - brightness at max - with CPU idle and displaying screen - uses about 3* the power as brightness at min |
| 16:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | also please keep in mind backlight is relative to ALS as well, not only brightness setting |
| 16:30.29 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 16:30.32 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:30.53 | MohammadAG | ALS? |
| 16:31.06 | SpeedEvil | Screen on - system idle - is around 80mA - backlight is anotehr 150mA - maximum. |
| 16:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | nad also the screen and drive support adaptive backlight which means a dark screen *content* also reduces power consumption for backlight |
| 16:31.40 | SpeedEvil | indeed. |
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| 16:32.03 | Gh0sty | hax++ |
| 16:32.07 | Gh0sty | http://ghosty.be/pics/n900/ |
| 16:32.18 | Gh0sty | this adapter used to be a UK plug :P |
| 16:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | so absolute figures for power consumption of backlight are quite worthless unless precisely defined conditions |
| 16:33.13 | MohammadAG | how is RAM accessed? |
| 16:33.20 | MohammadAG | (on linux) |
| 16:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | like "ambient light 1000lux to ALS aperture, white blank screen" |
| 16:33.28 | MohammadAG | i.e how can it be dumped? |
| 16:33.38 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: /proc/kcore |
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| 16:33.54 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: but that is disabled in the default kernel config. |
| 16:33.56 | SpeedEvil | Or not enabled |
| 16:34.15 | MohammadAG | isn't disabled = not enabled? :) |
| 16:34.26 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 16:34.42 | SpeedEvil | Disabled implies it was actively turned off. |
| 16:34.51 | SpeedEvil | Not enabled implies it was not actively turned on. |
| 16:34.58 | SpeedEvil | I don't happen to know the default state. |
| 16:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/kmem ? |
| 16:35.21 | MohammadAG | eitherways it's not in the default kernel |
| 16:35.55 | SpeedEvil | kmem is - I think the virtual memory |
| 16:35.59 | javispedro | what about /dev/mem? |
| 16:36.00 | SpeedEvil | kcore is the physical |
| 16:36.16 | MohammadAG | /dev/ram* |
| 16:36.19 | MohammadAG | what's that? |
| 16:36.26 | javispedro | nothing. |
| 16:36.27 | SpeedEvil | ramdisk devices |
| 16:36.51 | javispedro | (of interest, I meant :) ) |
| 16:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | anyway cat /dev/kmem | fsckd my device XP |
| 16:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | cat /dev/kmem | less even |
| 16:37.04 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:37.16 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: read of byte 0 from it should cause page fault |
| 16:37.19 | javispedro | so no wonder. |
| 16:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 16:37.28 | javispedro | cat is not a tool for it, hd with skip might. |
| 16:37.32 | MohammadAG | i was thinking of something like hibernate support |
| 16:37.40 | javispedro | hah. |
| 16:37.45 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Ah - that's completely different |
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| 16:38.07 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, dump kcore and restore it? |
| 16:38.12 | javispedro | god. |
| 16:38.14 | SpeedEvil | no, you don't do it like that. |
| 16:38.23 | SpeedEvil | It's a _whole_ lot more involved. |
| 16:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | lmfao, it killed the desktop |
| 16:38.40 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: your kernel might have oopsed. |
| 16:38.53 | SpeedEvil | There is a whole infrastructure around how to hibernate without corruption. |
| 16:38.55 | MohammadAG | javispedro, my apologies, that's how the PSP pulled it off ;) |
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| 16:39.09 | javispedro | MohammadAG: then it's not real hibernation. |
| 16:39.11 | javispedro | example |
| 16:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: prolly, but then why didn't it reboot completely? |
| 16:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | or did it? |
| 16:39.30 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it consumes power afaik (similar to sleep) |
| 16:39.31 | javispedro | your disk controller is in the middle of writing a sector. you power it off. data lost. |
| 16:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's over in the other room |
| 16:39.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oops is not fatal... |
| 16:40.07 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: read usr/src/linux/Documentation/power/swsusp.txt |
| 16:40.10 | MohammadAG | javispedro, so there's not much of a chance of hib. support on the N900? |
| 16:40.19 | javispedro | MohammadAG: depends on wheter the drivers are up to the task. |
| 16:40.20 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: You basically need _all_ the drivers to support hibernation. |
| 16:40.33 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Plus. It's of slightly questionable benefit. |
| 16:40.36 | MohammadAG | which i doubt nokia considered |
| 16:40.40 | javispedro | ++SpeedEvil |
| 16:40.47 | javispedro | N900 boots in what, seconds? |
| 16:40.51 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: When you can have 150 hour battery life with wifi active. |
| 16:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: quite polite say |
| 16:40.58 | MohammadAG | well, my ip is static |
| 16:40.59 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: That's not quite what I meant. |
| 16:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's utterly useless |
| 16:41.09 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I would actually like suspend to 'disk' |
| 16:41.21 | MohammadAG | so hibernate > replace batt > restore means i don't have to reconnect |
| 16:41.35 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Consider that you've got lots of stuff open - the whole of RAM can be dumped to disk in 20s, and restored in 20s |
| 16:41.39 | SpeedEvil | yeah - replace bat |
| 16:41.50 | SpeedEvil | that's one interesting app - for me. |
| 16:42.03 | MohammadAG | i replace my battery quite often |
| 16:42.07 | MohammadAG | 4 times a day maybe |
| 16:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I used suspend-to-ram on N810 iirc |
| 16:42.22 | javispedro | there was no actual suspend-to-ram, |
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| 16:42.30 | javispedro | but fake suspend that on an omap is pretty much the same |
| 16:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok |
| 16:42.58 | javispedro | ie you disable everything that is disableable and sigstop everything -- n8x0 could be up this way for months |
| 16:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah I know |
| 16:43.41 | MohammadAG | but technically i'd get everything back after "unsuspending" right? |
| 16:43.48 | SpeedEvil | You can get to - I think - around 200h standby with all but the processor in the n900 turned off. |
| 16:43.57 | GAN900 | fanoush did 30 days in normal idle one time. |
| 16:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | still dunno what 'suspend -s 1' or whatever is doing, esp what's different on a N810 campared to a 'normal' system |
| 16:44.05 | GAN900 | N810 |
| 16:44.06 | javispedro | of interest also is that libosso had support for a weird nokia-specific entirely user space hibernatio |
| 16:44.07 | javispedro | n |
| 16:44.27 | javispedro | which was initially designed for low power conditions |
| 16:44.46 | javispedro | since it requires support from applications, it's pretty much useless |
| 16:45.24 | MohammadAG | but is it doable in theory? |
| 16:45.32 | MohammadAG | at least for battery replacement cases |
| 16:45.52 | MohammadAG | of course it wouldn't be "real" hibernation support |
| 16:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: depends on all the drivers playing nicely |
| 16:46.17 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: In principle, yes, you can do it. |
| 16:46.28 | MohammadAG | the suspend-to-ram app |
| 16:46.40 | SpeedEvil | you really want to do it in kernel |
| 16:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | if just one driver drops the ball on suspend, you lost the game |
| 16:46.50 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
| 16:47.00 | SpeedEvil | What is echo mem >/sys/power/state doing |
| 16:47.04 | SpeedEvil | it's doing _something_ |
| 16:47.49 | SpeedEvil | It seems to take much longer to respond to a ping - I wonder if it's actually going to sleep and then waking immediately |
| 16:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and I bet some closed source nokia driver, for e.g sound, or DSP, will throw sticks at your legs |
| 16:48.37 | Stskeeps | no closed kernel drivers in n900 |
| 16:48.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, right |
| 16:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | so what's about the hw-accel? |
| 16:49.10 | SpeedEvil | [20586.884216] PM: Entering mem sleep |
| 16:49.10 | SpeedEvil | [20586.884246] Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug) |
| 16:49.11 | SpeedEvil | [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state |
| 16:49.11 | SpeedEvil | [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work |
| 16:49.11 | SpeedEvil | [20594.954437] soc-audio soc-audio: starting resume work |
| 16:49.11 | SpeedEvil | [20594.977935] PM: Finishing wakeup. |
| 16:49.12 | Stskeeps | 3d? libs |
| 16:49.21 | SpeedEvil | echo mem >/sys/power/state |
| 16:49.40 | SpeedEvil | Which wackily - I woke from suspend by a ping. |
| 16:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha, that's quite refreshing such a 0.4s nap |
| 16:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: use "sleep 1; echo foo..." otherwise you'll fall into the trap of suspending with pressed enter key |
| 16:51.02 | SpeedEvil | yes, I know |
| 16:51.09 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 16:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | if you aren't working from ssh over wlan |
| 16:51.27 | SpeedEvil | isn't that 12? |
| 16:51.33 | SpeedEvil | 12s |
| 16:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 16:52.20 | SpeedEvil | 594-586=1 |
| 16:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | I need <1s to press and release the return key |
| 16:52.23 | SpeedEvil | 12 |
| 16:52.26 | pupnik | is it permissible to -sigstop other processes? if we -sigcont them? |
| 16:52.29 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 16:52.38 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: in what context? |
| 16:52.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was responding to the 0.5s comment |
| 16:53.00 | MohammadAG | 3227mV, when does the N900 power down again? |
| 16:53.09 | pupnik | i'm kidding. i see other stuff taking up cpu sometimes and want to shut em down |
| 16:53.11 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: 3240 IIRC with stock BME |
| 16:53.11 | MohammadAG | 3220? |
| 16:53.20 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: if you do 'stop bme' 2700 |
| 16:53.21 | MohammadAG | kk |
| 16:53.24 | MohammadAG | ty |
| 16:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work |
| 16:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | though you might be right |
| 16:54.03 | SpeedEvil | I was assuming the domains mesasage was on the way up |
| 16:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | the [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work actually might be printed *after* suspend period |
| 16:54.37 | SpeedEvil | Oooh - impressive |
| 16:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | err, the [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state |
| 16:54.46 | SpeedEvil | echo ram >power |
| 16:55.00 | BugBlue | is starting to hate it that I can't update some apps |
| 16:55.01 | SpeedEvil | bq27200's 'SI' is 2mA after a couple of mins |
| 16:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 16:55.28 | BugBlue | something with qt4.6 and <TheVersionWhichShallNotBeNamed> |
| 16:55.43 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah -'domains'is onthe way up. |
| 16:56.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Same with a couple of mins between suspend and resume. |
| 16:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | 2mA might open path for a goldcap |
| 16:56.31 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Note. That's 2mA - with the cellmoup. |
| 16:56.41 | SpeedEvil | cellmo up |
| 16:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT?? |
| 16:56.52 | SpeedEvil | Or I think itis. |
| 16:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | starring in disbelief |
| 16:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | doubts SpeedEvil's bq.script is correct |
| 16:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps - it was saying 10mA before |
| 16:57.39 | ShadowJK | SI ignores bursts/peaks |
| 16:57.51 | jaska | think i need to recompile the terminal on n900, the colors are off like they were with diablo terminal |
| 16:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | should average them |
| 16:58.00 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah |
| 16:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | aah, actually not |
| 16:58.04 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's notmeant for that |
| 16:58.12 | ShadowJK | Or rather, it counts bursts/peaks as active instead of idle ;) |
| 16:58.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's meant for 'what's the stanadby current |
| 16:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly |
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| 16:58.50 | SpeedEvil | not average standby |
| 16:58.55 | ShadowJK | Though if you can get it to stay in STR for a few hours you'd be able to use the NAC to calculate average consumption ;p |
| 16:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | everything >x*SI (with x=?? 2, or 4?) |
| 16:59.15 | SpeedEvil | yes - I was ponderin that next |
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| 17:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you're outsmarting me on my own playground ;-D |
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| 17:00.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah - cellmo active |
| 17:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | blames biorhythm |
| 17:00.41 | SpeedEvil | wakes on ring |
| 17:00.46 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 17:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: doesn't mean a thing though |
| 17:01.06 | MohammadAG | what was my quit messgae? |
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| 17:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | modem power is highly burst driven |
| 17:01.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I know - I need to look at the capacity decrement over a few hours |
| 17:01.19 | MohammadAG | wondering how osso-powerup-shutdown closes apps? |
| 17:01.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Well - it does mean a thing |
| 17:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | though those modem bursts are 0.5..2sec |
| 17:02.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In that SI of 10 before, 2 after, clearly means you have at least ~1%/hour less drain. |
| 17:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | so should fall into the avrg window |
| 17:02.30 | SpeedEvil | Which makes suspend at least what ... >300h? |
| 17:02.48 | ShadowJK | maybe put cellmo into offline mode before str? |
| 17:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:03.37 | MohammadAG | does soft poweroff actually differ from offline mode? |
| 17:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | probably gives you a gew k hours of "standby" :-) |
| 17:04.19 | MohammadAG | but it doesn't do anything |
| 17:04.21 | SpeedEvil | ok - starting suspend at 441mAh |
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| 17:04.34 | SpeedEvil | in offline mode |
| 17:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: we await your reports around 2010-08-01 then ;-P |
| 17:04.49 | SpeedEvil | I suppose I need to leave it at least an hour. |
| 17:05.22 | Funnyface | hmm my mate told me he broke his N900's USB jack :\ |
| 17:05.38 | Funnyface | he got it covered by warranty, but still shows it's weak |
| 17:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | throws one of his hacked gta02 batteries at SpeedEvil |
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| 17:06.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hacked how? |
| 17:06.11 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, preferrably more considering bq27200.sh uses integer arithmetic and thus you don't get decimals :-) |
| 17:06.13 | SpeedEvil | Internal bq? |
| 17:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: attached a few wires, to use amp-meter ;-P |
| 17:06.35 | MohammadAG | it's labelled "hacked" |
| 17:06.36 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 17:06.50 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: hmm - capacity is stored in what units? |
| 17:07.06 | ShadowJK | 3.57 µVh iirc |
| 17:07.06 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Is it 5*3.7uVs's? |
| 17:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: gta02 battery is with internal bq |
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| 17:07.52 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, there's no factor 5 in there |
| 17:07.58 | SpeedEvil | 5s |
| 17:08.08 | ShadowJK | NAC=$(($NAC * 3570 / $RS / 1000)) |
| 17:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 17:08.21 | ShadowJK | AI=$(($AI * 3570 / $RS / 1000)) |
| 17:08.44 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 17:08.45 | ShadowJK | Though AI is 8bit and NAC is 16bit |
| 17:08.47 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 17:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | the 5s figure nowhere shows up |
| 17:09.00 | ShadowJK | no sorry they're both 16bit |
| 17:09.02 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 17:09.13 | SpeedEvil | AI=SI? |
| 17:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | all the same |
| 17:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | for the formula |
| 17:09.43 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 17:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | there's just a 1) and a 2) footnote |
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| 17:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | one some 3.7uVh, the other some 27 iirc |
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| 17:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | err 3.57 |
| 17:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | rip a battery and cut the gnd wire. Attach two wires for your amp-meter :-) |
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| 17:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | for sure is cheaper than fixing the solder on the battery posts of N900 |
| 17:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | if you add a 3rd wire for V+, you can even use it to feed power from a PSU |
| 17:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | probe cell voltage and current |
| 17:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | and do other weird things :-D |
| 17:17.27 | merlin1991 | just a general question, how long did it take you guys to set up the sdk? |
| 17:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | errm, some hours |
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| 17:18.04 | merlin1991 | I'm @ 2 hours 30 now :D |
| 17:18.17 | merlin1991 | mostly waiting for stuff to dl |
| 17:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | mostly to download, and figure what I did wrong |
| 17:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | obviously depends on your internet link |
| 17:19.08 | merlin1991 | should have done it when I was back in vienna, 2mb vs 400kb :D |
| 17:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 17:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | also doing such things NOT at weekends when maemo.org is usually slow as hell might help a lot |
| 17:20.41 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 17:20.54 | merlin1991 | I'm dl with my max speed from here, so it's ok |
| 17:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, tmo seems quite responsive atm |
| 17:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | unusual |
| 17:21.37 | MohammadAG | brings it down |
| 17:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 17:21.57 | merlin1991 | someone with a ddos network? ;) |
| 17:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | tmo IS a ddos network ;-P |
| 17:22.40 | MohammadAG | got 3 friends on the other server who can bring it down :) |
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| 17:26.21 | GAN900 | 's Windows 98 |
| 17:26.38 | GAN900 | Can't copy text from GMail into WordPad apparently. |
| 17:27.07 | MohammadAG | what's CONFIG_VIDEO_MACH? |
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| 17:28.20 | GAN900 | Er, <3's 98 |
| 17:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: win98 ?? o.O |
| 17:29.59 | GAN900 | Yeah, work machines |
| 17:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | ugh |
| 17:30.47 | GAN900 | One of the first bookstores in the US to computerize |
| 17:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: commet out it and you'll learn |
| 17:30.54 | GAN900 | What are you gonna do? ;) |
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| 17:31.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah |
| 17:31.21 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:31.42 | opdf2 | im tryin to install adblock plus from http://browser.garage.maemo.org/extensions/adblock_plus-1.1.1-fx+sm+tb+mb.xpi |
| 17:31.48 | opdf2 | It sasy not valid install package though |
| 17:32.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's already set to =m, HA! |
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| 17:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r then ;-P |
| 17:33.02 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:33.07 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, CONFIG_SUSPEND=y |
| 17:33.13 | MohammadAG | default ^ |
| 17:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | seems it's the right time of day for a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster |
| 17:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 17:36.44 | MohammadAG | waves |
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| 17:38.48 | MohammadAG | I'm tempted to comment this out CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y |
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| 17:42.38 | moo---_ | MohammadAG: i think it is automatic restart when something crashes? |
| 17:42.58 | MohammadAG | which is why i'm tempted to take it out |
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| 17:43.40 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, hi, is it you that is comfortable trying to find out power drain |
| 17:43.49 | lcuk | for different components |
| 17:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 17:44.39 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :P |
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| 17:49.30 | Ikarus | hrm, anyone know where in the API docs I can find info on the filechoser ? |
| 17:52.46 | peetah | ls |
| 17:52.53 | peetah | oops sorry |
| 17:52.59 | lcuk | SpeedEvil if you are able to run some tests MohammadAG will give details. ;) |
| 17:53.02 | lcuk | runs back to lab |
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| 17:56.14 | SpeedEvil | lcuyes |
| 17:57.11 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: err - what was lcuk going on about? |
| 17:57.22 | MohammadAG | /query'd it |
| 17:58.44 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 18:04.06 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. After 1h - 2mAh down. Neat. |
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| 18:08.09 | Ikarus | I can't find it as part of the Hildon API |
| 18:08.56 | Ikarus | and it doesn't seem to be quite the standard Gtk selector hmz |
| 18:08.56 | merlin1991 | uhm crazy question, but how to type a @ in scratchbox? :D |
| 18:13.09 | Ikarus | hrm, runFileChooser |
| 18:13.40 | Ikarus | oh, wait, that is just a wrapper |
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| 18:19.13 | shinkamui | anyone know whats new in the latest build of opera 10? |
| 18:19.18 | shinkamui | nothing stated on their blog site |
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| 18:20.05 | SpeedEvil | shinkamui: I vaguely recall some mention of lack of errors when saving preferences. |
| 18:20.09 | SpeedEvil | They have a 'forum' |
| 18:20.27 | shinkamui | ha ha |
| 18:20.51 | shinkamui | was hoping something new |
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| 18:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 2mAh is actually nice |
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| 18:23.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed - I'm doing better measurements now. |
| 18:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | 1F = 1As/V |
| 18:23.21 | SpeedEvil | 2G/3G/'airplane mode' |
| 18:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 18:23.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | so 1mF should yield 1s at 1mA while going down from 4V to 3V |
| 18:25.59 | Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: only if it is perfect |
| 18:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | given we want 10s @ 2mA for 3V5-3V0 |
| 18:26.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed i's not completely implausible. |
| 18:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | 40.000uF if my math isn't roten |
| 18:26.42 | SpeedEvil | But it's in the range of 'annoying' sizes. |
| 18:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | not for a goldcap |
| 18:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | or even one of those CR1150 LiIon bupbats |
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| 18:29.36 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:29.42 | SpeedEvil | They are annoyingly spendy though |
| 18:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 18:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | ponders about a 50mAh USB dongle, to bridge the hotswap time for main battery |
| 18:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | given we config and manage bq24150 correctly, this should pan out quite well |
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| 18:34.27 | summel | http://www.aavamobile.com/downloads.php where can i get that maemo theme? :o |
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| 18:35.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Something like a li-ion AAA cell, with boost, along with a normal battery in a case'd work well. |
| 18:36.08 | frals | fuck me vertsms code is messy |
| 18:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | too complicated |
| 18:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | use 3 pcs NiCad button cells |
| 18:36.26 | frals | almost as bad as my own code! |
| 18:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | or 4 |
| 18:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | just charge to 5V for a few 10s seconds |
| 18:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | via VBUS boost |
| 18:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | then switch to 2mA suspend and bq24150 'charging' mode with ultralow charge end current |
| 18:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | should work like a charm |
| 18:38.25 | MohammadAG | should != will |
| 18:38.31 | MohammadAG | i've learned that with maemo |
| 18:38.33 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 18:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you know me? |
| 18:39.29 | MohammadAG | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 18:39.30 | infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 18:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you *should* know me by now |
| 18:39.34 | MohammadAG | ~joerg |
| 18:39.35 | infobot | joerg is probably a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 18:39.42 | MohammadAG | now I do |
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| 18:40.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, you keep looking into something till it works |
| 18:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | who said "hostmode _should_ work" ? |
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| 18:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | stop bme, so we hope it's not tearing down the system on detecting battery removal (by whatever means it does that, or does it at all?) |
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| 18:44.33 | scr4ve | damnit. I just used Erminig which emptied my calendar - any way to get the data back? |
| 18:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | restore backup ;-P |
| 18:47.02 | scr4ve | DocScrutinizer: Sounds nice, but it isn't. any other ways around this? |
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| 18:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: could you try to go to 2mA suspend while actually charging, then remove the battery for a few seconds? |
| 18:47.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, can't remember, was it you? :P |
| 18:47.35 | scr4ve | debugfs says Bad magic number in super-block while opening filesystem :-/ |
| 18:49.08 | MohammadAG | ntfs support, might come in handy |
| 18:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: maybe even stop bme before, and wait for 32s until bq24150 has reset and entered autonomous charge method |
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| 18:53.37 | ZogG_N900 | boring |
| 18:54.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why isn't it resetting here! |
| 18:55.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | ehh? |
| 18:55.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - will do that sometime tonight |
| 18:55.32 | MohammadAG | 32s |
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| 18:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it does. maybe you don't notice |
| 18:56.30 | MohammadAG | :S |
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| 18:56.42 | hrw | morning |
| 18:56.43 | MohammadAG | flickering is something i notice |
| 18:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
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| 18:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | you're using some weird messed up kernel that fiddles with twl4030 broken chargepump |
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| 18:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | and who knows what hat flickering LED of your USB stick *actually* is indicating... Maybe data traffic, maybe bus resets |
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| 19:00.17 | jaska | quanta teleported |
| 19:00.27 | Ikarus | TWL4030's charge pump is quite unnecessery |
| 19:00.46 | MohammadAG | yeah, take it out |
| 19:00.57 | MohammadAG | :| |
| 19:01.50 | Ikarus | well, more that the VBus pump on the charge controller should be sufficient |
| 19:02.16 | SpeedEvil | More likely there is some feed from a 3.3V line somehow - so it's getting ~2.8V or so into the USB stick - which puts - if it has a LDO in it - the internal voltage at - maybe 2.5V, when it should be 3.3. |
| 19:02.39 | SpeedEvil | Which is enough to make it glow and do strange things, but not actually work |
| 19:02.58 | merlin1991 | hm any input on how I could type a @ in scratchbox? I know it's something with the keyboard layout but not what :/ |
| 19:04.12 | SpeedEvil | alt-space? |
| 19:04.32 | merlin1991 | nope |
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| 19:05.54 | SpeedEvil | Anyone looked at getting 'carman' up on n900? |
| 19:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of, except of a Volkwagen iirc |
| 19:11.50 | merlin1991 | has there been any attempt to get a xfire conversation plugin done? |
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| 19:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's been Karman |
| 19:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Karmann-Ghia_Typ_14 |
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| 19:17.10 | MohammadAG | carman? |
| 19:23.43 | MohammadAG | GRRR |
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| 19:23.53 | MohammadAG | why don't bt mice work with fremantle! |
| 19:24.02 | MohammadAG | (usb mice do the same) |
| 19:24.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, any suggestions on how to do the xorg.conf stuff? |
| 19:24.48 | Ikarus | Hmz, anyone else here tried compcache to improve swap performance ? |
| 19:25.02 | Ikarus | I am trying to figure out how I could best benchmark it |
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| 19:27.04 | GAN900 | Does anybody else find the Android codenames to be stupid and silly? |
| 19:27.38 | MohammadAG | they're actually quite yummy |
| 19:28.04 | Stskeeps | GAN900: i'm petitioning to have MeeGo 1.0 be nicknamed 'Hope' as it's one of the most used words around MeeGo ;) |
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| 19:28.29 | MohammadAG | suggest "The Titanic" |
| 19:28.37 | Ikarus | Stskeeps: heh, I am in favor |
| 19:28.37 | MohammadAG | suggests* |
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| 19:31.02 | Stskeeps | or, a new hope, :P |
| 19:31.04 | Stskeeps | evening kathy |
| 19:31.22 | RevdKathy | Evenin stskeeps ;-) Evening all |
| 19:31.38 | frals | lo RevdKathy o/ |
| 19:32.01 | RevdKathy | Lo Frals! You sobered up after getting fMMS into extras yet? |
| 19:32.05 | tybollt_ | \o |
| 19:32.08 | frals | hehe |
| 19:32.13 | MohammadAG | morning RevdKathy :) |
| 19:32.19 | tybollt_ | frals sober? gimme a break ;) |
| 19:32.55 | RevdKathy | 'Lo tybolly_ 'lo MohammadAG |
| 19:32.58 | frals | RevdKathy: im still holding out till i get the bottle of booze lcuk promised me... ;-) |
| 19:33.05 | frals | bah @ people having .pyo/.pyc files in git repos |
| 19:33.21 | tybollt_ | RevdKathy: cheers |
| 19:33.29 | RevdKathy | lcuk is down to about 93 bottles of beer by now, I think |
| 19:33.34 | frals | :D |
| 19:33.51 | tybollt_ | 93 bottles of beer, take on down pass it around 92 bottles of beer on the wall... |
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| 19:34.12 | MohammadAG | what does THAT mean! |
| 19:34.17 | GAN900 | Hey-ho, RevdKathy. |
| 19:34.25 | RevdKathy | lcuk was trying to get them all druk so he could do more graffitti on his wall |
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| 19:34.47 | RevdKathy | Hiya GAN900 how's tricks? |
| 19:35.30 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, pretty good. Back working for the Summer. Nice to be on a real schedule again. |
| 19:35.56 | RevdKathy | summer work away from college, or is college done now, GAN900? |
| 19:42.08 | ml-mobile | is there any kernel facility for killing any process that consumes too many seconds of consecutive processor time? |
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| 19:47.02 | MohammadAG | ping |
| 19:47.26 | reggna | pong |
| 19:48.52 | MohammadAG | ty |
| 19:48.52 | reggna | np |
| 19:48.52 | RevdKathy | You guys playing badminton? |
| 19:49.03 | _llll_ | wiff-waff, surely |
| 19:49.11 | Stskeeps | i kinda wish, good weather for badminton today |
| 19:49.51 | RevdKathy | or beach volleyball |
| 19:50.55 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, away from. |
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| 19:51.07 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, probably another year, then grad school. |
| 19:51.35 | RevdKathy | You'll be well qualified by then!!! |
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| 19:58.55 | tybollt_ | sighs |
| 19:59.11 | tybollt_ | nokia - give us MOAR maemo/meego phones MOAR |
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| 20:00.33 | tybollt_ | maemo/meego _sooo_ needs something X10 mini/htc tatoo sized... |
| 20:01.14 | luke-jr | ... |
| 20:01.31 | luke-jr | as if the N900 isn't already too small |
| 20:02.01 | Ikarus | luke-jr: it could do with being a bit flatter |
| 20:02.03 | haltdef | htc universal sized n900 pls |
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| 20:05.20 | luke-jr | Ikarus: nonsense |
| 20:05.32 | luke-jr | even my N810 is far thinner than it needs to be |
| 20:05.49 | Ikarus | luke-jr: it doesn't work well in my pants pocket |
| 20:06.06 | luke-jr | why not? |
| 20:06.21 | luke-jr | 2 - 2.5 cm would be a good thickness |
| 20:06.40 | luke-jr | N810 is about 1 cm |
| 20:06.49 | Ikarus | luke-jr: no way |
| 20:07.14 | luke-jr | ya way |
| 20:07.24 | luke-jr | not my fault you have teeny tiny pockets :P |
| 20:10.21 | johnsq | luke-jr: just take two n810 with you |
| 20:10.24 | GAN900 | luke-jr, just get that Dell thing. |
| 20:10.35 | luke-jr | johnsq: haha, if only it was that simple |
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| 20:10.39 | luke-jr | GAN900: ??? |
| 20:11.37 | GAN900 | luke-jr, that 5" tablet phone thing they've got. Mini 5 |
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| 20:18.45 | trumee | anybody using DC-6 for charging N900? |
| 20:18.54 | Stskeeps | a plane? kinda challenging? |
| 20:19.04 | trumee | my dc-6 doesnt work :( |
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| 20:19.27 | trumee | wondering what else should i use. |
| 20:21.13 | SpeedEvil | One of these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC9 |
| 20:22.30 | luke-jr | GAN900: where's the keyboard? |
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| 20:27.50 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, ping? |
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| 20:38.13 | GAN900 | luke-jr, ah, right, that. |
| 20:38.17 | GAN900 | Well, almost. |
| 20:38.37 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: sortof pong |
| 20:38.53 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, huge lag :) |
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| 20:55.51 | GAN900 | wonders why Stskeeps picked up thumbs. |
| 20:55.58 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 20:57.06 | Stskeeps | thumbs down? |
| 20:57.15 | Stskeeps | the anti-stskeeps brigade, obviously |
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| 20:59.08 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 21:01.02 | GAN900 | Meets every Friday night in geneven's basement? |
| 21:01.58 | Stskeeps | my n810 is showing meego with xfce4 without watchdogs turned off, who cares about the naysayers.. |
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| 21:03.18 | GAN900 | VNC! |
| 21:03.45 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 21:10.56 | RevdKathy | Goodnight all! |
| 21:11.26 | MohammadAG | night RevdKathy |
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| 21:13.40 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: again, what productive use can that be? :P |
| 21:15.17 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, clearly you're just VNCing into another machine. |
| 21:15.43 | Stskeeps | GAN900: pft |
| 21:15.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:16.09 | luke-jr | GAN900: that would be a step up from his xfce4 |
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| 21:16.28 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, so any visual "proof" you try to provide is suspect. :P |
| 21:16.33 | luke-jr | wireless networking begins to be useful... |
| 21:16.46 | luke-jr | no clue why p54spi doesn't seem to do anything tho |
| 21:16.52 | Stskeeps | is it enabled in he config? |
| 21:16.54 | luke-jr | there's not even an interface |
| 21:16.56 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: it is in mine |
| 21:17.00 | luke-jr | and the module is loaded |
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| 21:19.04 | luke-jr | quite frankly, I'm surprised BME works |
| 21:19.12 | luke-jr | I guess that's that big N8x0 patch tho |
| 21:19.24 | Stskeeps | BME works on yours? |
| 21:19.31 | Stskeeps | odd, didn't on mine |
| 21:20.07 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I assume so, since it remained on overnight |
| 21:20.21 | Stskeeps | chroot trick right? |
| 21:20.24 | luke-jr | doesn't BME need to work to run it once the battery dies? |
| 21:20.25 | Stskeeps | ie, in initfs |
| 21:20.27 | luke-jr | chroot trick? |
| 21:20.34 | luke-jr | I boot to bootmenu initfs |
| 21:20.38 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 21:20.39 | Stskeeps | true |
| 21:21.00 | luke-jr | also, I *did* need to disable some watchdog |
| 21:21.08 | luke-jr | OMAP or "lifeguard" |
| 21:21.31 | Stskeeps | retu's the culprit |
| 21:23.42 | tybollt_ | stskeeps: will meego "fix" the optifying misstake? |
| 21:23.53 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: i answered that already |
| 21:24.02 | tybollt_ | d'oh, sorry |
| 21:24.45 | Stskeeps | 'yes, i bloody hope so, no 256mb nand involved' |
| 21:25.10 | tybollt_ | thanks, it had escaped my /lastlog ;-| |
| 21:25.39 | luke-jr | basically, that 256 MB NAND is now an oversized boot partition :P |
| 21:25.39 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: that means you're using a !N900? |
| 21:25.51 | luke-jr | tybollt_: N810 has internal SD |
| 21:26.02 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: i use a n810 and a n900 |
| 21:26.10 | Stskeeps | and what luke-jr said |
| 21:26.32 | red | any good ebook reader apps on maemo? |
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| 21:26.41 | luke-jr | ponders if the internal SD can be upgraded practically |
| 21:27.41 | tybollt_ | is confused now - sounds an awfull lot like they've learned from prior misstakes but ... I wasn't aware programmers did that... :-P |
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| 21:28.01 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps, luke: good news indeed. |
| 21:28.05 | DrGrov | Hello |
| 21:29.37 | luke-jr | tybollt_: it doesn't really fix anything |
| 21:29.44 | luke-jr | just pretends there was never a problem more like |
| 21:30.52 | red | mmh |
| 21:31.05 | red | was only able to locate the gutenberg app for ebooks from app manager |
| 21:31.11 | red | is it the only one? |
| 21:31.16 | red | need to be able to read .lit books :) |
| 21:31.53 | luke-jr | or just convert them to PDF |
| 21:32.02 | red | maybe |
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| 21:39.41 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: retu is enabled |
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| 21:49.13 | GAN900 | red, you wont read them natively |
| 21:49.21 | GAN900 | Somebody compiled convert lit, though |
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| 21:49.33 | GAN900 | HTML works great in FBReader. |
| 21:49.42 | GAN900 | luke-jr, and sod off with your PDF ebooks. |
| 21:49.53 | GAN900 | PDF is the worst format ever for mobile reading. :P |
| 21:50.27 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Pretty much. |
| 21:50.41 | SpeedEvil | Is clit in the repos? |
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| 21:51.34 | GAN900 | Last time I checked, no. |
| 21:51.49 | GAN900 | Sounds like a nice thing for SpeedEvil to fix. :P |
| 21:52.20 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: fwiw, I created a 140 MB dummy file on tmpfs without diskswap |
| 21:52.34 | luke-jr | (it got to 140 MB before OOM killer went crazy) |
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| 21:53.16 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: ? |
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| 21:59.38 | Milhouse | clit??? |
| 21:59.41 | b-man | i _almost_ have a functional port of netbeans-6.0 for maemo :) |
| 22:00.07 | b-man | brb |
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| 22:02.58 | jd8 | Does any one know if it is possible to partition the n900 emmc and have it host a bootable linux distro? (So I cant boot linux on my laptop from the n900) |
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| 22:03.26 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, uploading clit. |
| 22:03.35 | crashanddie | clit? |
| 22:03.36 | GAN900 | Milhouse, you highlight on that or something? :P |
| 22:04.00 | SpeedEvil | Convert Lit. |
| 22:04.09 | crashanddie | that is such a horrible name |
| 22:04.09 | SpeedEvil | It is a program to convert lit files into html |
| 22:04.20 | crashanddie | call it litc |
| 22:04.20 | SpeedEvil | You've just got a dirty mind. |
| 22:04.50 | crashanddie | that's like calling an [insert something] analyser and calling it "Anal" |
| 22:04.54 | MohammadAG | i misinterpreted it too :P |
| 22:07.03 | MohammadAG | oh god |
| 22:07.19 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, off topic is going way off topic on tmo :) |
| 22:07.30 | crashanddie | and you're telling me because? |
| 22:07.37 | Macer | haha. bones is funny.. "yeah but she said it as an anthropoligist so it sounded more sciency" |
| 22:07.40 | MohammadAG | thinks it should be closed |
| 22:07.57 | MohammadAG | you were a previous mod, that fact will haunt you for the rest of your life crashanddie |
| 22:09.48 | Milhouse | GAN900: Clit - just a slightly rude word in English, that is all. :) |
| 22:10.12 | GAN900 | Milhouse, no, it's a beautiful word you twat. :P |
| 22:10.19 | Milhouse | lol |
| 22:10.30 | Milhouse | See you next Tuesday!! |
| 22:13.22 | Macer | omg i ate a whole pizza and feel like a bloated pig |
| 22:13.35 | Macer | thank God i don't gain weight :) |
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| 22:13.54 | Macer | i've been 6'3" and 195 lbs for like 15 years |
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| 22:15.02 | GAN900 | Milhouse, what's Tuesday? |
| 22:15.51 | Milhouse | It's an expression, not an invite - don't make me spell it out for you ;) |
| 22:16.12 | Milhouse | C...U... etc. :) |
| 22:16.56 | Milhouse | GAN: Apparently it may be "London slang" - fancy that. http://www.londonslang.com/riley/ |
| 22:17.22 | SpeedEvil | (10:47:14 PM) MohammadAG left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). |
| 22:17.24 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:17.40 | SpeedEvil | http://www.urbandictionary.com/ |
| 22:17.41 | SpeedEvil | even |
| 22:17.49 | SpeedEvil | Lots of amusing terms. |
| 22:18.49 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, ? |
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| 22:19.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: accidental paste |
| 22:19.20 | GAN900 | Milhouse, mmm |
| 22:19.20 | MohammadAG | lies |
| 22:19.27 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:24.02 | MohammadAG | swapping batteries |
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| 22:25.02 | tybollt_ | hrrm android ona iPhone |
| 22:25.12 | tybollt_ | so git me android ona n900 :) |
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| 22:28.31 | crashanddie | god I'm so friggin bored |
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| 22:31.11 | frals | i was well bored so i wrote a qwerty keyboard for vertsms :( |
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| 22:31.55 | MohammadAG | pushes frals's changes as V0.5 :P |
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| 22:37.03 | GAN900 | tybollt_, Android sux |
| 22:37.33 | GAN900 | frals, have you pushed the PR1.2 fMMS anywhere yet? |
| 22:37.45 | frals | GAN900: its in extras ;o |
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| 22:39.39 | GAN900 | frals, how does it grab operator info? |
| 22:39.58 | frals | /etc/operator_settings, matching with MCC and MNC and operator_display_name |
| 22:40.00 | crashanddie | anyone know of companies that are looking for remote workers? |
| 22:40.12 | frals | the last part being wrong, ive realised :( |
| 22:40.12 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: http://xkcd.com/416/ |
| 22:40.51 | GAN900 | crashanddie, Direct Sales, Inc.'s telemarketing department? |
| 22:41.01 | crashanddie | yeah, maybe not that |
| 22:41.42 | crashanddie | more like, interesting job, development, meh |
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| 22:42.45 | tybollt_ | GAN900: "PR1.2 fMMS"??? |
| 22:42.57 | tybollt_ | GAN900: you saying what I think you're saying there? |
| 22:43.08 | tybollt_ | holds breath - please pat my back if I turn blue |
| 22:43.34 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, yes, PR1.2 was released |
| 22:43.57 | MohammadAG | waits |
| 22:44.09 | SpeedEvil | Where is PR1.3? |
| 22:44.14 | frals | :D |
| 22:44.31 | tybollt_ | seriously |
| 22:44.44 | tybollt_ | is fMMS slaited for inclusion upstream? |
| 22:44.47 | tybollt_ | slated... |
| 22:44.57 | tybollt_ | is what I was thinking |
| 22:45.10 | frals | not that im aware |
| 22:45.13 | tybollt_ | that'd be fairly "big" news where I come from |
| 22:45.15 | MohammadAG | N00_RX-71:~# uname |
| 22:45.17 | MohammadAG | Mac OS X |
| 22:45.27 | crashanddie | pats tybollt_ on the back |
| 22:45.36 | tybollt_ | or did GAN just mean a fMMS that is compatible w/ 1.2? |
| 22:45.42 | tybollt_ | crashanddie: :P |
| 22:45.48 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, there's a "New MMS" string in the locales |
| 22:45.54 | frals | tybollt_: thats what i was thinking ;) |
| 22:46.07 | MohammadAG | so... maybe they're keeping it as a surprise for frals |
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| 22:48.47 | cure` | :(( |
| 22:49.04 | cure` | waiting to reflash for weeks now |
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| 22:52.11 | crashanddie | GAN900: really, trying to think of other companies like canonical. Young and open-source oriented preferably. Ideas? |
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| 22:55.39 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Where are you again? |
| 22:55.45 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: France now |
| 22:55.45 | SpeedEvil | forgot. |
| 22:55.48 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 22:56.15 | SpeedEvil | If you'd asked that 2-3 years ago, I would have suggested CloudMade. |
| 22:56.22 | SpeedEvil | But they've kind of fallen over. |
| 22:56.56 | crashanddie | so not a very good suggestion :P |
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| 22:57.37 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Unless you've got a time machine. |
| 22:58.01 | crashanddie | hmm, I had to sell mine some time ago |
| 23:02.43 | johnsq | crashanddie: you could sell it and travel back, than you have two |
| 23:02.57 | crashanddie | then |
| 23:04.11 | crashanddie | than = comparison, then = time marker, or event sequencer. |
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| 23:08.31 | crashanddie | johnsq: not that bloody hard, is it? |
| 23:09.32 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: strangely, I did a make clean and can't rebuild it ( |
| 23:09.34 | luke-jr | :( |
| 23:09.40 | johnsq | crashanddie: no. but there are much more pitfalls. |
| 23:09.55 | MohammadAG | oops |
| 23:10.17 | MohammadAG | sorry (you know who you are) |
| 23:10.18 | crashanddie | johnsq: bollocks |
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| 23:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (xorg.conf) ME??? EE here, not system maintenance |
| 23:13.29 | MohammadAG | when did I ask? wasn't that a day ago? :) |
| 23:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | a year |
| 23:13.51 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: it's the bad time of the month for DocScrutinizer |
| 23:13.57 | MohammadAG | time goes by so fast |
| 23:14.02 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: his buffer is full |
| 23:14.03 | GAN900 | lol |
| 23:14.07 | GAN900 | Sorry, tybollt_. |
| 23:14.18 | MohammadAG | haha |
| 23:14.39 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: buffer in french: memoire tampon (and well, we all know what tampon is). |
| 23:14.50 | MohammadAG | XD |
| 23:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: RTFM! |
| 23:14.59 | FIQ | Write error: No space left on device |
| 23:15.02 | FIQ | Sounds good |
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| 23:15.06 | FIQ | ... or not |
| 23:15.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ironic, since i ported man-db |
| 23:15.27 | MohammadAG | FIQ, it is good |
| 23:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | man X |
| 23:15.43 | MohammadAG | waits for the Houston we have a problem. Powering off |
| 23:15.49 | MohammadAG | that happened to me once btw |
| 23:16.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:16.47 | *** kick/#maemo [DocScrutinizer!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (User terminated!) |
| 23:17.55 | GAN900 | Mmm . . . good Zinfandel. |
| 23:17.59 | MohammadAG | what just happened |
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| 23:18.08 | MohammadAG | /ban DocScrutinizer |
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| 23:19.07 | jerkface03 | hah |
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| 23:24.39 | GAN900 | sighs at SD69. |
| 23:25.13 | MohammadAG | wonders what SD means in that word |
| 23:25.39 | GAN900 | Sone dude on Talk. |
| 23:25.48 | GAN900 | So who knows. |
| 23:27.57 | MohammadAG | BS 2010 thread? |
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| 23:28.09 | MohammadAG | err, excuse the bad choice of acronyms x.x |
| 23:29.26 | luke-jr | lol |
| 23:31.00 | ShadowJK | GAN900, isn't that one of the community ssu dudes |
| 23:31.11 | ShadowJK | or maybe I've just seen him in those threads alot |
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| 23:45.46 | crashanddie | would it be possible to launch a specific command after connecting to a specific wifi ESSID? |
| 23:46.48 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, yes, which is why he's also insane. |
| 23:46.49 | MohammadAG | daemon |
| 23:46.53 | MohammadAG | don't ask how |
| 23:47.19 | crashanddie | for example, in France, the ISP "Free" gives people the possibility to login to public hotspots of any other customer from the same ISP |
| 23:47.48 | javispedro | the icd2 way is a service provider API |
| 23:47.56 | crashanddie | though, as per usual, the first webpage you call requires a username/password login, then all ports are unlocked. |
| 23:48.12 | crashanddie | (you even get your own IP address, and everything, cool!) |
| 23:48.58 | javispedro | also i'm pretty sure you can also use whatever debian uses (ifup script?) , but I don't know that one. |
| 23:48.59 | crashanddie | but I was wondering if it were possible to write a small app that would automagically connect to those ESSIDs, and post the login to the webpage directly |
| 23:48.59 | crashanddie | (using wget?) |
| 23:50.20 | luke-jr | crashanddie: more likely curl. wget sucks |
| 23:50.41 | crashanddie | wget pwns, especially when you want to automate a post |
| 23:50.46 | crashanddie | but that's a detail |
| 23:53.03 | javispedro | does not really suggest http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/icd2/group__srv__provider__api.html , as it seems quite overkill, but the description of what's it for clearly matches what you're asking. |
| 23:53.30 | javispedro | The service provider API makes it possible to run tasks after an IP address has been acquired in the network module ip layer but before the network is announced to applications as being connected. [...] In this way e.g. hotspot WLAN networks can be supported, since they need IP layer connectivity in order to reach an authentication service that usually means posting credentials on a web page. |
| 23:54.20 | crashanddie | javispedro: excellent |
| 23:55.26 | crashanddie | perfect, I'll look into this tomorrow |
| 23:55.29 | javispedro | I wonder if someone (or you) could make such a plugin which falls down on .sh/.conf files |
| 23:55.55 | javispedro | (or if it's already done... :P) |
| 23:56.05 | SpeedEvil | You mean so it simply called a script, and did stuff on return status? |
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| 23:57.19 | javispedro | yeah |
| 23:58.37 | SpeedEvil | xhttp://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/browseCustomerPhotos.dx/sku.16921~id.45781 |
| 23:58.40 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 23:58.45 | SpeedEvil | sorry |
| 23:58.46 | javispedro | advantage of integrating with icd2 is that no apps get the "network up" signal before authentication |
| 23:58.59 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 23:59.03 | javispedro | so no data / SSL error messages / timeouts ... |
| 23:59.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | sounds reasonable |
| 23:59.28 | Arkenoi | tried to watch "twilight", please, make me unsee that 15 minutes i suffered |
| 23:59.46 | javispedro | I currently have an issue where the "captive" authentication portal grabs ALL TCP connections, thus causing POP3S to _FAIL MISERABLE_ when the certificate doesn't match. I hate it because it stops checking mail. |
| 23:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I really hope it's a package to deinstall |
| 23:59.50 | SpeedEvil | I'd also like to poke wwwoffled - a http proxy - in there. |
