| 00:00.05 | MohammadAG | expected it to say Memory Card |
| 00:00.25 | javispedro | it gets mount points via gvfs or gnomevfs |
| 00:00.29 | javispedro | same as older nautilus |
| 00:00.32 | MohammadAG | then I unmounted and created a dir in /media (slightly similar to nautilus) |
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| 00:00.46 | MohammadAG | isn't the new nautilus the same? |
| 00:00.59 | javispedro | i'm still with lenny |
| 00:01.09 | MohammadAG | oh, Debian |
| 00:01.14 | MohammadAG | never got that to install |
| 00:01.25 | MohammadAG | the modules for loading my drivers aren't present for some reason |
| 00:03.26 | pigeon | MohammadAG: oh, thanks a lot. |
| 00:03.37 | MohammadAG | nw :) |
| 00:04.23 | summel | http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png *want want want* ;_; |
| 00:04.37 | javispedro | changing icons? |
| 00:04.44 | javispedro | did anybody do that? |
| 00:05.11 | MohammadAG | it is possible |
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| 00:05.45 | javispedro | oh, I'm sure. |
| 00:05.54 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 00:06.01 | javispedro | but i'm not sure if the amount of work is within a single human's reach. |
| 00:06.20 | ohwhyme | wow that looks amazing |
| 00:06.35 | MohammadAG | afaik it uses different res icons |
| 00:06.41 | MohammadAG | instead of one resizable one |
| 00:06.43 | summel | ohwhyme: thx :D i wish i knew how to actually myke it :D |
| 00:06.46 | MohammadAG | which is imo, stupid :P |
| 00:06.49 | ohwhyme | haha |
| 00:07.09 | summel | but i will look into it |
| 00:07.17 | summel | actually i have another idea for a theme |
| 00:07.31 | summel | and if i learn how to make themes i will make 2 :) |
| 00:07.59 | summel | -if + when |
| 00:08.09 | javispedro | MohammadAG: like most older linux distros; performance reasons |
| 00:08.15 | javispedro | little though has been put in icon rendering speed |
| 00:08.33 | javispedro | (see year old haiku benchmarks) |
| 00:09.06 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:09.13 | MohammadAG | does that mean my packages use more resources? |
| 00:09.20 | MohammadAG | I use one big image in /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 00:09.28 | MohammadAG | and it resizes correctly |
| 00:10.02 | javispedro | you mean for application icon? |
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| 00:12.58 | summel | ohwhyme: http://summel.de/stuff/screenshot.png :D |
| 00:13.18 | ohwhyme | is that adium? |
| 00:13.23 | summel | yes |
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| 00:14.22 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yes |
| 00:14.36 | javispedro | well, it's usually rendered in 64x64 only for n900 |
| 00:14.50 | MohammadAG | it's resized well |
| 00:14.57 | MohammadAG | for the menu and the homescreen shortcuts |
| 00:16.16 | Gizmokid2005 | summel: where'd you get that background?? DO WANT! (sidenote: I like adium for OSX :) ) |
| 00:16.39 | summel | Gizmokid2005: uhm cant remember but i will upload it in a sec |
| 00:17.05 | Gizmokid2005 | summel: it looks like it changes per day?? |
| 00:17.27 | summel | :o no just the date time and battery info updates |
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| 00:18.49 | Gizmokid2005 | summel: ahhh, ok. Still neat. Since my mac doesn't like to keep my background for me, I just use the default. Been looking for something new...though I do like the one my desktop has |
| 00:20.05 | Gizmokid2005 | summel: http://gizmokid2005.com/images/desktop.png (NOT <256K friendly) |
| 00:21.03 | summel | hmm neat but to... busy :D |
| 00:21.03 | MohammadAG | freenode crashed :P |
| 00:21.03 | summel | as in distracting |
| 00:21.03 | Gizmokid2005 | which part? All the icons or the image itself? |
| 00:21.03 | summel | the image |
| 00:21.13 | lcuk | meh Gizmokid2005 get the central core updating live via vnc as you use the device and then we are talking ;) |
| 00:21.59 | Gizmokid2005 | summel: ahh yeah, I don't usually see it though, I always have windows covering it...but I had a picture from a buddy of red clouds and I liked the N900 image, and I like the way the two blend. I will agree, it can be a bit busy |
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| 00:22.05 | Gizmokid2005 | Lol lcuk |
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| 00:22.30 | lcuk | im serious. it would be simple to get it looking right and be such a cool thing |
| 00:22.36 | ohwhyme | what im app u using gizmo? |
| 00:22.41 | lcuk | thats a mammoth desktop you have |
| 00:22.55 | ohwhyme | summel: want to point out where u got the theme for adium :D |
| 00:23.02 | SpeedEvil | uses 1024x768 laptop |
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| 00:23.05 | Gizmokid2005 | ohwhyme: on which platform? |
| 00:23.06 | ohwhyme | puhlease |
| 00:23.06 | summel | ohwhyme: adiumxtras.com xD |
| 00:23.12 | SpeedEvil | (I would like 1400*1050) |
| 00:23.15 | Gizmokid2005 | lcuk: yeah, dual 19" wides |
| 00:23.22 | Gizmokid2005 | I'd like more vertical, but I deal. |
| 00:23.23 | summel | Gizmokid2005: summel.de/stuff/wallpaper.zip |
| 00:23.32 | lcuk | Gizmokid2005, i have a stack |
| 00:23.33 | summel | ohwhyme: its called gotham iirc |
| 00:23.39 | summel | ill look it up |
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| 00:23.43 | lcuk | i dont know how i'd feel about horiz |
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| 00:23.52 | summel | ah no |
| 00:23.54 | Gizmokid2005 | ty summel |
| 00:23.57 | summel | theme is called pretty simple |
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| 00:24.02 | summel | but i modified it a bit |
| 00:24.03 | SpeedEvil | Gizmokid2005: Can I sign you up for my group 'I want 4:3 LCDs, and I'm getting my pitchfork and burning torch!' |
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| 00:24.13 | Gizmokid2005 | ohwhyme: I use Pidgin on Windows and adium on OSX |
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| 00:24.18 | ohwhyme | ah |
| 00:24.22 | summel | status icons are called Status Extensions White |
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| 00:24.26 | ohwhyme | thanks :) |
| 00:24.31 | summel | menu icon is iChat 4 |
| 00:24.38 | summel | dock icon is gotham |
| 00:24.38 | summel | :D |
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| 00:25.05 | summel | message style elegant simple |
| 00:26.33 | ohwhyme | status extensions: is that WhiteSquares? |
| 00:26.47 | summel | err one sec |
| 00:27.03 | summel | "status extensions white" |
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| 00:27.16 | summel | thats the AVA and AWY etc on the right |
| 00:27.50 | ohwhyme | hmm |
| 00:27.53 | Gizmokid2005 | well wtf...why doesn't Xephyr give me a terminal... |
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| 00:28.11 | Gizmokid2005 | and how the hell do I get it to give me a "power button press" menu like I can get on my device? Maybe I'm just stupid |
| 00:28.21 | tuliobaars | Hey people! Could you help me pls? |
| 00:28.48 | tuliobaars | i wanna create a blog for maemo develop, but i don't have a name. Any suggestion??? |
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| 00:29.10 | SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: n900bs.com |
| 00:29.54 | tuliobaars | soory, but it is for the Fremantle platform ported to N810! |
| 00:30.13 | tuliobaars | so its for all maemo devicas, and moblin, meego, whatever! |
| 00:30.51 | tuliobaars | HandHeld develop blog. Any name suggestion??? |
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| 00:30.55 | SpeedEvil | I suggest qkwv.com. |
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| 00:31.04 | SpeedEvil | The domain is available at only $500. |
| 00:31.04 | tuliobaars | i don't have time for a site, so... |
| 00:31.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:31.22 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 00:31.57 | SpeedEvil | I suppose you ideally want something not tied to the meego, maemo or n* |
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| 00:32.39 | tuliobaars | sorry, i dunnot understand what you've said |
| 00:33.04 | SpeedEvil | I mean - not n900talk, maemotalk, or ... - but more generic. |
| 00:33.23 | tuliobaars | hummm |
| 00:33.30 | tuliobaars | yeah, in that way |
| 00:33.55 | tuliobaars | i'm a terrible person to create names... |
| 00:35.26 | SpeedEvil | You could always do how I picked my domain name. |
| 00:35.34 | SpeedEvil | Look for ones going cheap on ebay :) |
| 00:37.02 | tuliobaars | but i'm not going to buy now, i'm going to create one free .tk , huh? Free? |
| 00:38.37 | javispedro | myn900kicksyourassandIhavePR12ohyeah.tk |
| 00:39.10 | javispedro | guaranteed 100000 visitors* when advertised on tmo |
| 00:39.18 | javispedro | *no guarantees about trolls ratio |
| 00:40.03 | Termana | 99999:1 |
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| 00:40.51 | tuliobaars | javispedro |
| 00:40.57 | tuliobaars | thats not good |
| 00:41.54 | tuliobaars | i prefer a BIGGER one.... |
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| 00:43.26 | tuliobaars | ihavean810andan900thatkisksyourassassholy-sponsoredbygodaddydotcom-littledomainnamesbydottk-myblog.tk |
| 00:43.29 | tuliobaars | like that one |
| 00:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | burrps |
| 00:47.29 | tuliobaars | i have a shirt: I (love) SHORT DOMAINS.TK |
| 00:47.43 | tuliobaars | (help) |
| 00:49.43 | tuliobaars | pucks a lot |
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| 00:50.25 | Armada64 | http://webbax.se/pics/hotgirl.jpg |
| 00:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | Armada64: posting links to malware? |
| 00:51.13 | Armada64 | nope. |
| 00:51.59 | pigeon | Armada64: they're both very hot for different reasons ;) |
| 00:52.33 | Armada64 | :-P true |
| 00:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | wtf, a plugin? |
| 00:53.28 | MohammadAG | swf xD |
| 00:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | screwit |
| 00:54.00 | MohammadAG | I wasn't surprised lol, it was 'loading' an image when ff stopped loading |
| 00:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | time for a kickban? |
| 00:54.29 | Armada64 | could be! |
| 00:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | Armada64: so whom do you think we should kickban then? |
| 00:55.14 | luke-jr | votes kick-only for Armada64 |
| 00:55.17 | summel | lol the theme maker java application hangs at 1% |
| 00:55.18 | summel | yay |
| 00:55.23 | summel | <3 java >_> |
| 00:55.29 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 00:55.55 | Armada64 | if i were you i wouldn't kickban me, cause i posted something awesome :p |
| 00:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
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| 00:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | that didn't exactly help your case, dude |
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| 00:57.14 | luke-jr | crap :/ |
| 00:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | no other votes? |
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| 00:57.33 | luke-jr | I seem to have lost the login for catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com |
| 00:57.38 | MohammadAG | bme |
| 00:57.50 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 00:58.20 | luke-jr | and my login-generator script fails on 2.6.33 x.x |
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| 01:06.52 | GAN900 | I vote pwnage! |
| 01:06.54 | GAN900 | What? |
| 01:08.30 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 01:08.43 | SpeedEvil | For this is the age of the portable wireless network device. |
| 01:09.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I change my vote |
| 01:09.06 | luke-jr | My vote is now to kick the whole channel |
| 01:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | how about just kicking you, less data traffic :-P |
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| 01:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | kicks a random paper box next to his foot |
| 01:11.35 | Termana | Smack it with the banhammer as well |
| 01:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | take THIS, and THAT |
| 01:12.04 | GAN900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 01:12.41 | *** mode/#maemo [+m] by DocScrutinizer |
| 01:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ok?? |
| 01:12.58 | *** mode/#maemo [-m] by DocScrutinizer |
| 01:13.02 | MohammadAG | doesn't that mean we need +v? |
| 01:13.04 | MohammadAG | nvm |
| 01:13.13 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 01:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: actually yes |
| 01:13.43 | MohammadAG | you just quieted us all |
| 01:13.51 | MohammadAG | sobs |
| 01:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-20 03:12:04] <GAN900> /muteall |
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| 01:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | actualy infobot has +v |
| 01:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | dunno why :-P |
| 01:15.40 | MohammadAG | cause she's a she? |
| 01:15.41 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 01:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack MohammadAG |
| 01:23.12 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG |
| 01:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 01:23.27 | MohammadAG | ~nuke DocScrutinizer |
| 01:23.28 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 01:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a roach, you won't nuke me :-D |
| 01:23.57 | MohammadAG | ~botsnack |
| 01:23.57 | infobot | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 01:24.11 | MohammadAG | gets the insecticide |
| 01:24.12 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore MohammadAG |
| 01:25.28 | infobot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, MohammadAG!" |
| 01:25.48 | MohammadAG | ever heard of rocket failure? |
| 01:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | now if that's not girly |
| 01:25.52 | MohammadAG | ~nuke infobot |
| 01:25.53 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 01:26.16 | MohammadAG | she killed herself, haha :p |
| 01:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | infobot sounds like my girlfriend :-P |
| 01:26.44 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:27.01 | cehteh | ~nuke DocScrutinizer |
| 01:27.02 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 01:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke |
| 01:27.36 | infobot | Cockroach. I win. |
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| 01:33.16 | cehteh | mhm opensolaris is fun .. install, find bug .. :P |
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| 01:33.41 | MohammadAG | I'm off |
| 01:33.42 | MohammadAG | Night all |
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| 01:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | solaris was fun at times it was called sunOS |
| 01:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | actually it became even more fun when it moved to solaris |
| 01:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what's p with the devl-devices? |
| 01:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | lemme try again... |
| 01:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what's up with the devel-devices? |
| 01:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: talked to javispedro, or the council in general? or to quim? |
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| 01:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 01:54.00 | infobot | ~pong |
| 01:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | aha, at least the bots survived |
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| 02:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | frals: aaah I see what you were talking bout |
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| 02:44.08 | iluminator101 | Hey When I can the time it goes back to different time zone why? |
| 02:45.29 | iluminator101 | so does the date? |
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| 02:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry. Fail to decode that. Please rephrase |
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| 02:56.34 | Ikarus[N900] | is there a way around the "playing invalid videos makes mediaplayer unable to play any videos" bug other then rebooting |
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| 03:03.19 | iluminator101 | hey where is the skype key pad in n900 |
| 03:03.29 | iluminator101 | i mean number pad? |
| 03:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, talked to Javier and the council. |
| 03:04.16 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't poked Quim yet. |
| 03:04.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: yeah, nice |
| 03:05.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Ikarus[N900]: maybe restarting one of the daemons might do the trick |
| 03:06.22 | Ikarus[N900] | which one ? :) |
| 03:07.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry |
| 03:07.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ps ax and guess&try |
| 03:10.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably the process with high cpu usage during playback ;-D |
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| 03:13.31 | Ikarus|rx51 | guess that just caused the watchdog to kick in |
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| 03:15.39 | dafmobs | hi all |
| 03:17.51 | dafmobs | ive recent |
| 03:17.52 | dafmobs | ly |
| 03:18.23 | dafmobs | purchased an n900 and need some assistance on gps |
| 03:18.31 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 03:19.06 | dafmobs | i know theres no turn by turn but does ovi support drive view at all? |
| 03:20.59 | dafmobs | ill take that as a no? |
| 03:21.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | Ikarus: a lot of those daemons are started via dsme with reboot-on-process-end option |
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| 03:21.35 | dafmobs | also does anyone here use sip? |
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| 03:22.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | sip works flawlessly |
| 03:22.12 | iluminator101 | can you use video lan player on maemo |
| 03:22.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | for me |
| 03:22.48 | dafmobs | yeah voice is crystal clear and i havent had any issues there. video sip is where im having trouble |
| 03:23.24 | dafmobs | checked codecs etc and my phone freezes when i try to vc through sip |
| 03:23.27 | iluminator101 | how do i play .wmv in n900 mplayer + kmplayer? |
| 03:23.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik it@will come with next major OS update |
| 03:23.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ovi idiots finally saw the light |
| 03:23.33 | GeneralAntilles | 5 stars |
| 03:23.42 | GeneralAntilles | Whoever thought up a 3 star ratting system should've been fired. |
| 03:24.36 | GeneralAntilles | Holy shit they actually fixed more of my user guide bugs. |
| 03:25.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: xmas |
| 03:25.48 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, man, this Christmas sucks. :P |
| 03:26.43 | iluminator101 | how do i play .wmv in n900? |
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| 03:27.44 | dafmobs | @iluminator1 not sure mate. thats why im asking. cant find info anywhere |
| 03:32.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders what happened to our ovi devel user here in this chan |
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| 03:32.33 | GAN900 | What should I be using for todo lists? |
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| 03:33.21 | GAN900 | I find myself making lists in Notes |
| 03:33.27 | GAN900 | Which is clearly subpar |
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| 03:34.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
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| 03:39.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | considering a todolist is a collection of tasks, each of which can have a link to a time schedule (calendar) and/or a contact (call phone) or both (birthday) -... I again come back to my idea of a generic pda object containing all those properties (plus a few more, like alarm/cron like start of arbitrarz executable, managing profiles, checking (environmental) conditions, etc) |
| 03:40.17 | iluminator101 | how do reach .n900 folder form xterminal? |
| 03:42.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | pda object managing & maintaining entity & supervisor == pommes |
| 03:44.54 | luke-jr | wasted all day hacking gps5300driver up to work with mainline GPIO exporting |
| 03:45.02 | luke-jr | growls at Nokia |
| 03:45.24 | luke-jr | also, "work" doesn't mean work. it means "works in theory, but not practice; something else is still wrong" |
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| 03:46.43 | iluminator101 | i am trying acces videos folder from terminal can someone please help me |
| 03:46.55 | luke-jr | iluminator101: look for a hidden directory |
| 03:46.57 | luke-jr | under MyDocs |
| 03:47.06 | luke-jr | Maemo does retarded crap like that -.- |
| 03:47.18 | luke-jr | make yourself a symlink if you want |
| 03:48.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | like ~user/MyDocs/.video |
| 03:48.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | or .dcim |
| 03:48.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | or whatever |
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| 04:43.58 | talonz | hi guys has anyone had any luck mounting nfs4 shares on the n900 ? |
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| 06:06.51 | pupnik | places a pot of coffee on the table |
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| 06:14.27 | pupnik | "You can't install it at the moment because the autobuilder makes it dependent on stuff only installed on 1.2" |
| 06:14.53 | Ikarus[N900] | pupnik: life is fun isn't it |
| 06:15.07 | pupnik | that is looney-tunes |
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| 06:16.11 | Ikarus[N900] | otoh given we have most of the sdk I am tempted to just build all the open packages for pr1.2 and installing those |
| 06:16.40 | pupnik | it's not much - |
| 06:16.57 | pupnik | just some qt packages |
| 06:17.14 | pupnik | does someone have a heroin problem in need of treatment? |
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| 06:17.25 | pupnik | does someone need to get fired here? |
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| 06:20.01 | xim_ | im learning maemo, my n900 sortof froze while i was downloading some map data, im poking around, curious to see if I can bring it back through the shell, its just the display thats not running apparently, I'm SSHed into the shell, any ideas how to troubleshoot it or bring it back? maybe some processes to kill and restart? |
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| 06:23.59 | Ikarus[N900] | xim_: doubt it, odd that the watchdog hasn't acted though |
| 06:24.37 | Ikarus[N900] | okay, open 3.5G connections blow through battery power |
| 06:25.13 | xim_ | interesting so the display process has a watchdog timer? |
| 06:25.14 | Ikarus[N900] | anyone know if GPRS uses less ? (actually doubt it given tht the radio slots are longer) |
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| 06:25.38 | Ikarus[N900] | xim_: just about every core process does it seems |
| 06:25.59 | Ikarus[N900] | though I am not sure if X itself is checked |
| 06:26.18 | Ikarus[N900] | killing X though triggers a reboor |
| 06:26.20 | Ikarus[N900] | reboot |
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| 06:26.27 | xim_ | i feel like i'm on the brink of bringing it back, you know, it vibrates when i open or close it |
| 06:26.40 | xim_ | ah ok, i might end up doing that for lack of other options |
| 06:27.12 | Ikarus[N900] | try ps aux to see what is running, perhaps some app is causing swap trash |
| 06:27.21 | Ikarus[N900] | which kills interactiviteit |
| 06:27.38 | Ikarus[N900] | switches dictionaries |
| 06:27.49 | pupnik | we can read typo |
| 06:28.22 | Ikarus[N900] | (hrm and need to file a bugreport, the dictionary switchng doesn't tell you to which language) |
| 06:29.21 | xim_ | yeah i have htop running actually, only using 112 swp |
| 06:29.47 | xim_ | so i reboots if you kill x but doesnt notice if x dies? |
| 06:30.04 | xim_ | or maybe x isnt dead, its just not responding to my wakeup-switches |
| 06:30.26 | xim_ | i can always reboot i just figured this was an excuse to learn a bit |
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| 06:31.31 | Ikarus[N900] | x is just highly unresponsive in your case |
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| 06:39.47 | pupnik | xim_: good attitude |
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| 06:44.25 | Ikarus[N900] | *poof* low power |
| 06:44.44 | Ikarus[N900] | from just some IRCing the last two hours |
| 06:45.16 | inz | Ikarus, don't IRC so powerfully |
| 06:45.28 | Ikarus[N900] | hehehe |
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| 06:45.44 | Ikarus[N900] | need to get a new microUSB cable |
| 06:46.14 | Ikarus[N900] | has a little 4500 mAh battery pack |
| 06:46.28 | xim_ | i wonder what new USB format they will make everyone buy next year |
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| 06:47.17 | Ikarus[N900] | xim_: well micro fixed an actual issue with mini |
| 06:47.30 | xim_ | orly? |
| 06:47.34 | Ikarus[N900] | the springs on mini are on the device |
| 06:47.47 | Ikarus[N900] | with micro they are on the cable |
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| 06:48.38 | xim_ | hmm, just checked, never noticed there even were springs |
| 06:49.34 | pupnik | Ikarus[N900]: your cell provider may use outdated tech that does not support powersaving tech |
| 06:49.43 | pupnik | i can keep irssi running about 5 hours |
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| 07:09.37 | mece | halp! What is up with the python module itertools? |
| 07:09.57 | mece | i get no complaints on import itertools, but I can't get any of the functions to work.. |
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| 07:14.36 | Funnyface | "you're doing something wrong" that's all I can tell :\ but I guess that doesn't help you a lot |
| 07:15.10 | mece | hee |
| 07:15.12 | mece | thanks |
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| 07:20.12 | goshawk | hi |
| 07:20.50 | goshawk | i'm using vim on n900 and when i try to write any vim command (:w for example) i get a capital M in the editor and the command is of course not executed, does anybody know why? |
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| 07:21.24 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.03 | goshawk | i think it's vim.. i've installed it from repos |
| 07:22.19 | goshawk | wait let me open a shell and verify |
| 07:23.11 | goshawk | /usr/bin/vim |
| 07:23.47 | goshawk | nevermind |
| 07:23.53 | goshawk | it's not a n900 problem |
| 07:23.57 | goshawk | it's a screen problem |
| 07:24.03 | goshawk | i've tested it out right now |
| 07:24.29 | goshawk | it happens when you access to a remote server and run vim under screen (o byobu) |
| 07:24.32 | pupnik | try ctrl-m instead of enter |
| 07:24.40 | pupnik | oh nm |
| 07:25.05 | goshawk | wait i'm trying to reproduce |
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| 07:25.55 | goshawk | hi larsivi |
| 07:26.32 | larsivi | goshawk: hi :) |
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| 07:27.11 | edheldil | pupnik: actually it's a known problem in keymap, I have reported it months ago |
| 07:28.11 | xim_ | my n900's Xorg is not responding, when i view the process in ps it shows STAT: D "uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)" which sortof makes since since it crashed while downloading data. any idea how to bring this back |
| 07:28.36 | goshawk | pupnik: thansk |
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| 07:28.43 | goshawk | with enter i get a capital M |
| 07:28.56 | goshawk | but with CTRL+m it works :D |
| 07:29.36 | pupnik | shows bicep |
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| 07:33.50 | pupnik | or apply this to your .screenrc goshawk bindkey -a -k fe stuff ^M |
| 07:34.13 | goshawk | thanks pupnik |
| 07:34.43 | eikkka | hi, does anyone know how i can get jabber to re-fetch my jabber contacts? i have one contact that's missing jabber |
| 07:35.21 | eikkka | on n900 ofc, and using jabber for facebook |
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| 07:38.47 | goshawk | pupnik: do you know also how to send Fx commands from n900 bash3 ? |
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| 07:41.19 | pupnik | what? |
| 07:41.22 | pupnik | no |
| 07:41.25 | summel | sdk repository is still broken for me... "W: Couldn't stat source package list (...) (/var/lib/apt/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_(...)_nokia-binaries_binary-armel_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 07:41.27 | summel | :( |
| 07:41.38 | Stskeeps | apt-get update it? |
| 07:41.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:41.53 | summel | Stskeeps: thats the error i get when i run apt-get update |
| 07:41.54 | summel | -_- |
| 07:41.57 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 07:42.05 | Stskeeps | check /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:42.15 | goshawk | Fx as F[1-9] |
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| 07:42.49 | summel | Stskeeps: normal web works fine with firefox and wget and stuff :( |
| 07:42.59 | summel | i can also browse the repository in the browser |
| 07:43.05 | Stskeeps | summel: yes, but inside sb? |
| 07:43.06 | eikkka | does anyone here use jabber for facebook chat? :( |
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| 07:43.30 | summel | Stskeeps: ewwww that file is soooo wrong.... |
| 07:43.41 | summel | its from when i set up scratchbox oO |
| 07:43.41 | plastun | what happened with maemo.org website? |
| 07:43.44 | Stskeeps | summel: exactly |
| 07:43.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:44.03 | summel | which does make no sense at all because im on a laptop in 5 different wifi networks with dhcp and stuff |
| 07:44.08 | summel | *ARGH* |
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| 07:44.16 | summel | wants to shoot some developers |
| 07:45.44 | summel | why isnt /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf a link to /etc/resolv.conf? oO |
| 07:46.01 | pupnik | because of ubuntu, iirc |
| 07:46.03 | Stskeeps | nfi |
| 07:46.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 07:55.08 | summel | do i have to export DISPLAY=:2 in the SDK only once or every time i start the VM/SDK? |
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| 07:57.27 | hrw | on every sdk start |
| 07:57.42 | hrw | if you plan to use UI apps |
| 07:57.49 | summel | ok |
| 07:57.57 | hrw | but if you use sdk only to build then you do not have to |
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| 07:58.18 | summel | oh its already in the .bashrc |
| 07:58.26 | RST38h | moorning, hrw, sts |
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| 08:03.09 | alterego | Cool, that worked really well. (I'm writing a web interface to the N900) just prototyped the image gallery :) |
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| 08:12.25 | RST38h | alterego: have a URL to try? =) |
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| 08:12.56 | alterego | RST38h: Not with my pictures :P |
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| 08:13.05 | alterego | http://192.168.2.15:7800/images |
| 08:13.07 | alterego | :) |
| 08:13.14 | alterego | It works really well. |
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| 08:13.52 | alterego | Gonna enter it into the programming comp, next I'm going to add contacts management, calendar and messaging. |
| 08:14.06 | alterego | I'm also going to have a system status and information page for us geeks ^.^ |
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| 08:14.12 | Funnyface | we can't access your LAN IP btw :> |
| 08:14.29 | alterego | Funnyface: I know, that's the point :P |
| 08:14.38 | RST38h | alterego: yea, 192.168.* is gonna be a bit of a problem to access =) |
| 08:14.39 | Funnyface | ah oki :p |
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| 08:15.02 | alterego | I'd proxy it out via ssh, but I don't want you looking at all my pictures :P |
| 08:15.28 | frals | screenshots are awesome i heard |
| 08:15.29 | goshawk | alterego: or use ipv6 to have a public ip |
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| 08:15.47 | alterego | fine, I'll do a screenshot. |
| 08:15.55 | alterego | It doesn't look pretty, literally five minutes work |
| 08:16.01 | alterego | Infact, it looks awful. |
| 08:16.04 | alterego | :P |
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| 08:16.05 | alterego | But it works |
| 08:16.08 | RST38h | heh\ |
| 08:16.10 | goshawk | screenshot ---> imageshack |
| 08:16.20 | RST38h | tmo is down again |
| 08:16.27 | RST38h | wtf is going on, anyway? |
| 08:16.49 | frals | RST38h: WORKSFORME |
| 08:17.23 | RST38h | worksforme but only 10% of time nowadays |
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| 08:18.44 | eikkka | uh... i deleted a jabber fb contact and now the person isnt on facebook at all |
| 08:18.55 | RST38h | "Ninjas Save Man From Being Mugged and Beaten" |
| 08:18.58 | eikkka | is that even remotely possible |
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| 08:19.29 | RST38h | yes, it is remotely possible to remove all your private data from Facebook, but it is difficult and requires a legal team |
| 08:19.43 | alterego | Here you go, this is the crap list view: http://alterego.metapath.org/images/n900-images-v0.0.0.1.png |
| 08:19.48 | frals | id imagine that deleting a contact from the facebook jabber removes it from your facebook "site" as well |
| 08:20.01 | alterego | You click on the thumb and it shows you the full image, simples :) |
| 08:20.05 | eikkka | my friend couldnt find the person either |
| 08:20.20 | RST38h | alterego: Not bad, although I would go for a table |
| 08:20.51 | eikkka | its like he was erased :V |
| 08:20.56 | alterego | RST38h: like I said, it's ugly, I just want to get it to present the data, I'll work on styling it and the templates when I've got the "core" functionality sorted. |
| 08:21.07 | alterego | eikkka: you deleted the internet?! |
| 08:21.17 | eikkka | i hope i didnt :( |
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| 08:22.21 | tybollt_ | facebook chat == jabber? |
| 08:22.23 | tybollt_ | wtf :) |
| 08:22.26 | Stskeeps | it is |
| 08:22.31 | tybollt_ | heh |
| 08:22.41 | eikkka | i tried googling the persons fb profile and it says the ppage was not found or has expired |
| 08:22.51 | RST38h | alterego: don't forget the contacts and stuff =) |
| 08:23.01 | RST38h | alterego: would be very col when it is done |
| 08:23.13 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: all this time I discarded FB as BS and everything that came w/ it as bloat BS... guess that teaches me a lesson :) |
| 08:23.20 | eikkka | pretty minsblowing that i deletedc a person from the internet with a n900 |
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| 08:23.29 | tybollt_ | <3 jabber |
| 08:23.34 | eikkka | mind* |
| 08:23.51 | tybollt_ | eikkka: zOMG! Did he dies?!? |
| 08:24.10 | eikkka | didnt answer the phone :( |
| 08:24.13 | tybollt_ | You likes killedz him!? |
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| 08:25.14 | marmoute | Facebook bot will find and execute him (as he can not provide a valid identity anymore) |
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| 08:27.50 | millenomi | announcement repeat from yesterday: I'm working at a small cross-platform library for porting stuff: http://github.com/millenomi/argyle |
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| 08:28.01 | millenomi | since this CET morning, it also builds on Maemo |
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| 08:28.44 | millenomi | example: http://drp.ly/1207ep + http://drp.ly/12bH60 <--- same unit test code + execution right running on Android and iPhone. |
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| 08:28.53 | millenomi | er, 'execution RIG'. |
| 08:29.07 | millenomi | (no UI stuff in the library; not a believer in cross-platform UIs.) |
| 08:29.20 | millenomi | end of announcement. |
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| 08:36.57 | millenomi | (ah, forgot: binary builds at http://infinite-labs.net/experiments/#platform-core ) |
| 08:37.45 | pupnik | of what |
| 08:37.54 | millenomi | see scrollback. |
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| 08:38.25 | pupnik | oop ty |
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| 08:43.24 | pupnik | millenomi: so the library is meant to allow development for maemo + android? |
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| 08:43.47 | millenomi | actually to port my model/controller layer to as many platforms as possible |
| 08:44.04 | millenomi | my next target is webOS, but I do want to have a Maemo port eventually |
| 08:44.11 | millenomi | (don't have the phone :) ) |
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| 08:48.40 | plastun | how to remove title bar in hildon.Dialog? |
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| 08:49.29 | alterego | RST38h: Yeah, plan on contacts, calendar, images, messaging and system information support. |
| 08:49.38 | alterego | RST38h: Might integrate in googlemaps :x |
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| 08:51.09 | tybollt_ | does anyone have qemu running on the n900? |
| 08:51.37 | summel | ON? oO |
| 08:51.44 | summel | i think its a bit slow for that |
| 08:51.45 | summel | :o |
| 08:51.48 | pupnik | yes some people do |
| 08:51.57 | summel | omg |
| 08:52.12 | RST38h | why not? |
| 08:52.15 | summel | qemu is already soooo slow on my mbp.... i'd rather use virtualbox :P |
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| 08:52.42 | summel | qemu took 3 hours to install a f*in ubuntu.... |
| 08:52.50 | summel | virtualbox about 30 minutes :P |
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| 08:56.37 | RST38h | do not install ubuntu on qemu guest then |
| 08:56.44 | summel | :P |
| 08:56.49 | RST38h | every tool has its applications |
| 08:56.51 | summel | no i use virtualbox now |
| 08:57.07 | millenomi | "it hurts when I touch it, doctor!" "then stop touching it" :) |
| 08:57.17 | summel | :D |
| 08:57.17 | millenomi | ok, ok, back to lurking. |
| 08:57.20 | tybollt_ | RST38h++ |
| 08:58.11 | summel | does checkinstall work in the sdk to make a package? :o |
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| 09:19.49 | alterego | calendar support might have to be dropped for a while :/ |
| 09:20.57 | Corsac | ? |
| 09:21.12 | alterego | For my N900 web iface |
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| 09:23.33 | summel | do i have to move my binary out of the MyDocs folder to give it +x? oO |
| 09:24.37 | alterego | summel: Yes, MyDocs is a mounted fat32 partition |
| 09:25.05 | summel | alterego: where would be the right place? :) |
| 09:25.15 | alterego | Well, you can stick it in /home/user |
| 09:25.20 | alterego | That's ext3 |
| 09:25.37 | summel | is there enough space? |
| 09:26.03 | alterego | Well, it's about 2G in size |
| 09:26.06 | alterego | So, maybe |
| 09:26.13 | summel | ok :) |
| 09:26.56 | talonz | does anyone know if a nfs4 server is mountable on the n900 ? |
| 09:27.30 | frals | think you have to install nfs kernmodule for it but should be |
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| 09:29.35 | talonz | k thanks frals |
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| 09:34.48 | makulkar | in browser npplugin context, im using xevent.window to pass to gstreamer to render camera content. But i get 10091|X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| 09:34.48 | makulkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.48 | makulkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.53 | summel | yay |
| 09:34.55 | summel | it workssss |
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| 09:44.47 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 09:44.51 | Stskeeps | lo Khertan |
| 09:45.46 | pupnik_ | seldom seen khertan |
| 09:46.23 | Khertan | is just falling back from kde to gnome ... |
| 09:46.28 | Khertan | didn't like kde |
| 09:46.39 | MohammadAG | GNOME FTW :p |
| 09:46.49 | Corsac | Ghertan :) |
| 09:46.52 | Corsac | Xfce ftw! |
| 09:46.54 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:47.07 | MohammadAG | tty1 ftw |
| 09:48.06 | Khertan | hum gitorious is down again ? |
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| 09:50.39 | Khertan | https://www.ohloh.net/p/khteditor/factoids/3143288 <<< ouch |
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| 09:51.25 | lcuk | lol Khertan |
| 09:51.44 | lcuk | # you must comment more |
| 09:52.07 | Khertan | and must comment are just useless code put in comment :) |
| 09:52.10 | wazd | "Canola it's the application with the most downloads for N8x0." - that's a lie, obviously |
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| 09:52.26 | Khertan | wazd, of course |
| 09:52.27 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:52.35 | wazd | Khertan: :P |
| 09:53.35 | Khertan | hum ... cofee and then a try to made khteditor working with pyside ... i hope i ll be able with it to made scrollable qtextedit :) |
| 09:54.08 | wazd | btw, I've tested n900 gps yesterday, does anyone has strange bug in Mapper when the path is jumping around the map? |
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| 09:56.06 | Khertan | has never try Mapper on n900 |
| 09:56.12 | X-Fade | Sigh, selinux dependencies are a pain :( |
| 09:56.12 | summel | where are the .desktop files for the applications again? :o |
| 09:56.36 | Khertan | summel, /usr/share/application/hildon/ |
| 09:56.39 | Khertan | summel, /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 09:56.48 | summel | thx |
| 09:57.06 | lcuk | X-Fade, life. i think everyone gets that feeling when grabbing a different project |
| 09:57.38 | X-Fade | lcuk: All I want is util-linux to get rid of busybox in OBS :) |
| 09:57.51 | Khertan | blame older dev of one of project i should evolv at work ... pylint score : -27.10 |
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| 10:03.44 | pupnik_ | X-Fade: if we can assume more space on next devices, then yes, goodbye busybox. For e.g. the time command is totally gimped. |
| 10:04.17 | X-Fade | pupnik_: fighting with getopt atm, which is also .... |
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| 10:06.47 | pupnik_ | The corresponding standard utilities that BusyBox replaces occupy about 1.5MB of disk space in a standard Linux system. The BusyBox program uses only 260KB of disk space" http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4238 |
| 10:06.54 | SpeedEvil | Busybox saves - as a ballpark - 10 meg of RAM. at boot. |
| 10:07.22 | SpeedEvil | If you start two copies of the busybox shell, the second uses an additional 50K or so. |
| 10:07.24 | pupnik_ | ahh the article is old |
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| 10:07.41 | SpeedEvil | If you start two copies of bash, the second used an additional meg ish. |
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| 10:08.23 | Khertan | hum ... QWidget didn't have fontMetrics methods with PySide bindings |
| 10:08.47 | SpeedEvil | busybox also starts all binaries it contains faster. |
| 10:08.55 | SpeedEvil | As they are already generally in RAM. |
| 10:09.28 | SpeedEvil | For scripts, it's pretty much a straight win. (minus some minor annoyances on inconsistencies with standard utilities. |
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| 10:19.57 | pupnik_ | busybox echo seems to have no echo -n or "\c" support |
| 10:20.44 | SpeedEvil | Yes - I'm not arguing that busybox is good for interactive. |
| 10:21.13 | SpeedEvil | Just that it's good for non-interactive scripts, and shaves several seconds off boot. |
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| 10:22.29 | pupnik_ | well we do like that |
| 10:24.59 | wazd | omg, breaking news! Cyborgs are working at Nokia! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsuhaDcmdA Blinking script gone mad :) |
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| 10:27.08 | alterego | Can get some interesting statistics from the rtcom-eventlogger database. |
| 10:27.12 | visz | he's morse coding 'please help me' |
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| 10:29.14 | pupnik_ | the ideas are quite high level |
| 10:29.39 | tybollt_ | hmm |
| 10:29.41 | tybollt_ | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/google-opens-vp8-codec-aims-to-nuke-h264-with-webm.ars |
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| 10:29.44 | tybollt_ | \o/ |
| 10:29.45 | tybollt_ | dance |
| 10:29.53 | alterego | Those ideas aren't new |
| 10:29.59 | alterego | I've been thining the same for years. |
| 10:30.04 | alterego | ~thinking ... |
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| 10:33.39 | alterego | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5VG4rjPzrY&NR=1 |
| 10:33.44 | alterego | That one is pretty lame ... :D |
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| 10:35.17 | Apaksi | hi. does somebody know why i'm getting this error: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/.../nokia-binaries/o/opengles-sgx-img/opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_0.20091104.30+0m5_armel.deb Size mismatch |
| 10:35.21 | Apaksi | when i'm trying to install the package opengles-sgx-img-common-dev |
| 10:35.47 | Apaksi | to sratchbox |
| 10:36.38 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: does anyone care about boot time on a device that's supposed to be always on? |
| 10:37.06 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: yes. |
| 10:37.09 | satmd | yes |
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| 10:37.16 | Shapeshifter | why? |
| 10:37.17 | SpeedEvil | Plus - it's also a case of RAM footprint. |
| 10:37.43 | satmd | it's just not the same priority as on desktops |
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| 10:38.01 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: Put it another way. Why should 99.9% of users wait another 5 seconds for the .1% of users that care than sh!=bash? |
| 10:38.02 | satmd | yet not neglegtible |
| 10:38.27 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: valid argument. |
| 10:38.49 | SpeedEvil | Especially when those users that care can install bash and friends for interactive use. |
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| 10:40.20 | viliny_ | yay tybollt_ , thats the most promising thing i'we read this year :) |
| 10:40.46 | smoku | why bother with sh for startup scripts anyway? |
| 10:41.11 | pupnik_ | why viliny_ |
| 10:41.25 | SpeedEvil | smoku: It is considerably less opaque and more easily changable than one big binary /bin/init |
| 10:41.31 | pupnik_ | why doesnt google get behind something existing and open |
| 10:41.50 | viliny_ | pupnik_: idunno, seems like a genuinely good thing has a very real chance of becoming reality |
| 10:42.06 | smoku | SpeedEvil: there are tons of small scripting languages that could be embedded in upstart |
| 10:42.08 | pupnik_ | i guess maybe we can be hopeful |
| 10:42.48 | viliny_ | pupnik_: usually things in the world feel like unchangeable lumps of s### |
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| 10:42.53 | SpeedEvil | smoku: Sure. |
| 10:43.02 | smoku | pupnik_: because they want total control |
| 10:43.05 | SpeedEvil | smoku: Shell is not the worst of them. |
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| 10:43.34 | SpeedEvil | smoku: busybox + shell scripts is pretty much an interpreter. |
| 10:43.47 | SpeedEvil | A bad interpreter, but an interpreter still. |
| 10:44.43 | Shapeshifter | oh nice. ruskie made a zsh package. hooray |
| 10:44.48 | smoku | SpeedEvil: the problem is that shell needs to fork a lot of processes to do something usefull. i know that in case of busybox the code is already in memory, and this is also unix philosophy, but nevertheless i see it a problem. |
| 10:45.39 | SpeedEvil | smoku: yes, I agree. Busybox is considerably lighter than 'proper' shell - but the processes are still moderately expensive. |
| 10:48.11 | alterego | I've not got, contacts, conversations and images in my web interface :) |
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| 10:48.38 | alterego | Gonna add some system information and then start working on the XHTML templates and CSS styles. |
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| 10:50.54 | Talus_Laptop | greetings |
| 10:51.14 | Shapeshifter | ruskie: mhh, promptinit and prompt are missing from zsh. is this normal? |
| 10:51.17 | Talus_Laptop | does anyone know if megoo will hava a n810 version? |
| 10:51.46 | Stskeeps | Talus_Laptop: it does, actually, but it's maintained as a hobby |
| 10:51.47 | smoku | shouldn't you ask on #meego? |
| 10:51.55 | Stskeeps | i can't guarantee a handset UX on it though |
| 10:52.12 | Talus_Laptop | thank you Stskeeps and smoku |
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| 10:53.23 | pupnik | do we have an auto-rpmizer for maemo5 debs? |
| 10:53.31 | pupnik | or am i silly |
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| 10:53.50 | X-Fade | pupnik: alien? |
| 10:54.54 | pupnik | yeah. does that need special sauce or does it just work? |
| 10:57.11 | X-Fade | It will give you a good start. |
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| 11:01.17 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps: http://www.webmproject.org/license/software/ you putting this in meego yet? |
| 11:01.25 | smoku | pupnik: AFAIK it just repacks binares. it does not create SPECs |
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| 11:01.48 | pupnik_ | ty smoku |
| 11:02.06 | pupnik_ | how about a project for that |
| 11:03.24 | tybollt_ | what is the web browser in Android? :S |
| 11:03.55 | satmd | guesses for webkit |
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| 11:04.56 | SpeedEvil | Internet explorer. |
| 11:05.58 | satmd | exploder? |
| 11:06.27 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: no idea, but we have theory and vorbis.. |
| 11:06.48 | tybollt_ | theorA |
| 11:06.57 | smoku | a lot of theories |
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| 11:07.22 | Jdarkkid | there's any next-level english speakers here? |
| 11:07.49 | Scelt | ciao a tutti? |
| 11:07.50 | SpeedEvil | is Scottish, which is clearly the next level. |
| 11:08.53 | Scelt | wrong language clearly |
| 11:09.27 | jaska | tutti = pacifier (the kind little kids suck on) |
| 11:09.47 | Jdarkkid | ad |
| 11:09.53 | Scelt | Jdarkkid: talk here |
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| 11:10.08 | jaska | indeed, no need to privmsg out of the blue |
| 11:10.11 | tybollt_ | jaska: tutti == italian for "all" |
| 11:10.19 | Scelt | hello all |
| 11:10.21 | jaska | tybollt_: i know that too, just find it hilarious :) |
| 11:10.23 | Scelt | tsaukkitaukki |
| 11:10.58 | sx0n | I've heard that Scottish people have their own language? |
| 11:11.19 | satmd | welsh, too |
| 11:11.26 | Scelt | Finnish too |
| 11:11.37 | jaska | also scots speaking english can sound like another language. |
| 11:11.49 | sx0n | that remotely sounds like an English |
| 11:12.01 | Jdarkkid | îä ÷åøä àðùéí? |
| 11:12.13 | Scelt | talk english son |
| 11:12.23 | SpeedEvil | sx0n: There is scotts Gaelic - which is a totally seperate language. Also welsh and irish. |
| 11:12.30 | Jdarkkid | îàéôä ìé àðâìéú çç :P |
| 11:12.38 | jaska | finnish him! |
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| 11:12.41 | Scelt | < Jdarkkid> îà éôä ìé à ðâìéú çç :P |
| 11:12.55 | Jdarkkid | àæ úùôø àåúä éà îôâø :D |
| 11:13.10 | akumar | please any one suggest me, when i run the executable file in maemo5 (eg: run-standalone.sh ./hello). then it fires the error, |
| 11:13.10 | Scelt | maybe he is a little slow |
| 11:13.21 | adeus | alcohol is the finnish and irish language |
| 11:13.55 | satmd | I'm unable to read the above |
| 11:14.03 | satmd | looks like charset again |
| 11:14.20 | SpeedEvil | ?? ?????? ?? ?? ? ????? ?? ???? |
| 11:14.32 | akumar | error is "Floating point exception(core dumped)" |
| 11:14.43 | jaska | probably just spewing out random chars with accents.. irssi is set to autotranslate charsets for me and i havent had any trouble seeing chinese symbols |
| 11:15.02 | Scelt | he's israeli |
| 11:15.10 | pupnik | i just saw reports that linux phone sales dropped last quarter. vs q1 2009 |
| 11:15.13 | akumar | usr-bin-run-standalone.sh: line 11: 7382 Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@" |
| 11:15.53 | satmd | akumar: your binary is buggy |
| 11:15.59 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Everyone bought n900s and is enjoying them. |
| 11:16.08 | Jdarkkid | àéê ú'éåãò ùàðé éùøàìé? ççççç àéãéåè |
| 11:16.11 | Jdarkkid | áï æåðä îæãééï |
| 11:16.17 | Scelt | Jdarkkid: get yourself together already |
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| 11:16.55 | jaska | dunno what encoding that is, cant be wtf-8 or latin-[19] |
| 11:16.59 | mece1 | NINJA! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/australian-ninjas-rescue_n_582901.html |
| 11:17.01 | Scelt | Jdarkkid: tuskin säkään paljon ymmärrät jos sulle suomea änkytän. tää tosin näkyy sentään vähän selvemmin kun toi sekamelskas |
| 11:17.09 | Jdarkkid | understadnable |
| 11:17.09 | jaska | :D |
| 11:17.13 | Jdarkkid | get to the point. |
| 11:17.22 | Scelt | well done, kiddo |
| 11:17.24 | akumar | satmd: same code is working previously. |
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| 11:17.37 | Jdarkkid | Scelt, where are you from çáø? |
| 11:17.42 | satmd | then it might need different compile flags |
| 11:17.55 | Scelt | Jdarkkid: Winland |
| 11:18.06 | satmd | well, at least I can say that the problem is not with the wrapping shell-script but the binary being called |
| 11:18.29 | Jdarkkid | Scelt, Where is it? I'm learning geography but never heard of this country or seen it on map. |
| 11:18.33 | akumar | may i know how to resolve. |
| 11:18.56 | Scelt | Jdarkkid: Finland, in the top of the world |
| 11:19.00 | Scelt | on I mean |
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| 11:19.11 | jaska | top of the world, bottom of hell |
| 11:19.16 | Jdarkkid | Scelt, I love finnish emcees. |
| 11:19.58 | Scelt | Jdarkkid: sure |
| 11:20.03 | Jdarkkid | your language can rhyme for sure |
| 11:20.14 | jaska | i think finnish rap/hiphop sounds like arabic |
| 11:20.23 | sx0n | or just crap |
| 11:20.28 | Scelt | ;D |
| 11:20.29 | jaska | that too |
| 11:20.32 | Scelt | I was going to say that |
| 11:20.44 | Jdarkkid | Brand sounds like a dope NYC rapper, but he finnish though |
| 11:21.01 | sx0n | well raptori is good |
| 11:21.06 | sx0n | *was |
| 11:21.22 | Jdarkkid | he behind bars? |
| 11:22.03 | Jdarkkid | Also, finnish people are hotties, the most. |
| 11:22.10 | sx0n | but it was not really rap music, but still. surely there is some good artist currently too. |
| 11:22.25 | Jdarkkid | finnish girls* |
| 11:22.51 | petteri | i am also hot :) |
| 11:23.11 | Jdarkkid | yeah but you're not build for sex. |
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| 11:25.25 | tekojo | Is it Friday yet? |
| 11:25.55 | Stskeeps | early friday obviously |
| 11:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | hell |
| 11:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | &moo |
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| 11:31.53 | ruskie | Shapeshifter, hmm works for me |
| 11:32.07 | ruskie | Shapeshifter, I have those that I'm rather sure about |
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| 11:35.57 | summel | :o quasselclient works now :) |
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| 11:37.08 | Shapeshifter | ruskie: mhh. maybe a PATH problem? I have promptinit; prompt walters blue in my .zshrc but it says "command not found: promptinit", same for 'prompt'. dpkg -L shows me that there is /opt/maemo/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/promptinit and also /opt/maemo/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/prompt_walters_setup |
| 11:37.28 | ruskie | Shapeshifter, hmm do you have a /usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/promptinit ? |
| 11:37.53 | ruskie | Shapeshifter, might be the reason why it's not there |
| 11:38.16 | Shapeshifter | ruskie: yes I have it |
| 11:38.28 | ruskie | odd |
| 11:38.50 | ruskie | autoload -U promptinit |
| 11:38.51 | ruskie | promptinit |
| 11:38.53 | ruskie | prompt cosum |
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| 11:39.46 | Shapeshifter | it tab-completes prompt and promptinit but then it says zsh: command not found: prompt |
| 11:40.14 | ruskie | echo $fpath |
| 11:40.15 | ruskie | check that |
| 11:40.24 | ruskie | it's where it'll look for the internal functions |
| 11:40.40 | Shapeshifter | /usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts is in $fpath |
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| 11:41.47 | Shapeshifter | ruskie: mh, but promptinit doesn't have +x |
| 11:41.53 | Shapeshifter | is this normal? |
| 11:42.01 | Shapeshifter | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.5k Dec 6 07:24 promptinit |
| 11:42.11 | ruskie | yeah |
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| 11:43.20 | Shapeshifter | I can also run 'zsh /usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Prompts/promptinit' without a problem but still 'prompt' isn't found afterwards |
| 11:43.32 | Shapeshifter | ah |
| 11:43.36 | Shapeshifter | if I source it, then it works |
| 11:44.45 | ruskie | hmm I don't source it in zshrc |
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| 11:47.20 | tybollt_ | < Jdarkkid> Also, finnish people are hotties, the most. |
| 11:47.28 | tybollt_ | what the FUCK are you saying? |
| 11:47.42 | tybollt_ | I know for a fact that that is as far from the truth as can be |
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| 11:48.19 | jaska | indeed |
| 11:48.37 | ruskie | wonders from what depths of history that got dregged up |
| 11:48.37 | lcuk | tybollt_, in the depths of winter, hugging a female Finn might be the only thing that keeps you alive. you best hope they are all hotties! |
| 11:49.04 | ohwhyme | lol |
| 11:50.42 | tybollt_ | lcuk: :D |
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| 11:54.45 | chem|st | lol |
| 11:56.03 | Scelt | lcuk: what ya saying bro? we haven't seen a real winter for ages |
| 11:56.33 | jaska | 2002 or 2001 had one.. -38 |
| 11:56.53 | lcuk | babyboom! |
| 11:56.57 | Scelt | When I was a child, there was snow as fas as en eye could see... oh wait, or was it ice age? |
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| 11:58.52 | summel | :o no checkinstall in the sdk :( |
| 11:58.59 | summel | how do i make a .deb package then? |
| 11:59.09 | X-Fade | summel: dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 11:59.22 | summel | X-Fade: :o thx :) *reads manpage* |
| 11:59.27 | ruskie | would be nice getting checkinstall in |
| 11:59.33 | ruskie | that would make packaging things just so much easier |
| 12:00.30 | summel | hmmm |
| 12:00.32 | summel | yeah |
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| 12:01.49 | summel | dpkg-buildpackage does not work ;_; |
| 12:02.05 | ruskie | it's not the same as checkinstall |
| 12:02.20 | ruskie | you need to setup the debian/ structure |
| 12:02.21 | summel | dpkg-pasrechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 12:02.24 | ruskie | setup rules etc... etc... etc... |
| 12:02.35 | summel | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 12:02.40 | summel | hm |
| 12:02.41 | summel | ok |
| 12:02.49 | summel | are there any instructions availeable |
| 12:02.51 | ruskie | try building checkinstall for the sdk |
| 12:02.52 | ruskie | might work |
| 12:02.57 | ruskie | debian packaging howto I guess |
| 12:02.58 | tybollt_ | Stskeeps, X-Fade: any idea of upcomming HW? Will there be a n900 mini type of device? |
| 12:03.32 | Stskeeps | tybollt_: no |
| 12:03.39 | Stskeeps | also, red is the new blue |
| 12:04.11 | tybollt_ | trouts Stskeeps ;P |
| 12:07.18 | summel | :o |
| 12:07.45 | TomaszD | see how he definitely said "no"? |
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| 12:07.51 | TomaszD | he knows something |
| 12:07.52 | TomaszD | :P |
| 12:07.57 | summel | it does something :O |
| 12:08.34 | tybollt_ | TomaszD: He's just playing w/ us. In the typical "I know and you don't get to, luser!" fashion.-.. |
| 12:08.38 | Stskeeps | headdesks |
| 12:08.39 | summel | do i have to look out for something? like a prefix or stuff? |
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| 12:09.51 | satmd | don't you hurt the desk :p |
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| 12:10.02 | Stskeeps | next device is obvious PR1.2 in the form of a beautiful woman |
| 12:10.09 | satmd | o_o |
| 12:10.13 | satmd | dowant |
| 12:10.17 | TomaszD | Just one? |
| 12:10.25 | Stskeeps | okay, two |
| 12:10.25 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:10.45 | TomaszD | and what would they be doing |
| 12:10.50 | summel | eww |
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| 12:10.58 | TomaszD | communicating via wireless gossip? |
| 12:11.39 | Termana | -.- |
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| 12:26.59 | sejo | would there be someone interested in a maemo todo app that syncs to a (own or other) server? |
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| 12:28.19 | smoku | sejo: like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24977 ? |
| 12:28.24 | hcm | sejo: the builtin todo (in calendar) sync flawlessly with syncevolution (i'm using it with my funambol server) |
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| 12:29.08 | summel | hmmm i cant the .desktop file right for my application... |
| 12:29.18 | summel | it shows up in "All" but not in "Network" oO |
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| 12:31.48 | sejo | smoku, hcm thanks... apparently I did needles coding :p |
| 12:31.51 | sejo | again :p |
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| 12:33.53 | hcm | sejo: nope, coding is never needless, I bet you learnt a lot :P |
| 12:34.41 | lugkhast | This isn't exactly an N900-specific question, but how do I make a QProgressBar indeterminate? |
| 12:34.42 | hcm | and maybe your app is better than the builtin (which is easily possible), so some users might want to give your app a try |
| 12:36.40 | sejo | hcm it's very basic GTD, I think I'll improve it a bit more before releasing it |
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| 12:38.05 | wazd | still needs to team up with 3D modelling god to conquer the world :) |
| 12:38.46 | Khertan | <sejo> would there be someone interested in a maemo todo app that syncs to a (own or other) server? <<< mine is syncing with my own web implementations :) |
| 12:38.58 | Khertan | but far from being ready for end user |
| 12:38.59 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:39.03 | Khertan | mtodos :) |
| 12:39.54 | Khertan | i'm planning one day to build a other todos wich use the samedb as the nokia calendar/todo ... |
| 12:40.16 | Khertan | but hum ... calendarbackend haven't any binding for python |
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| 12:41.30 | lcuk | Khertan, you could do with some kind of todo app to keep track of all things you need todo in your todo app |
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| 12:42.14 | Corsac | that reminds me about yet another bug which nobody cares about :/ |
| 12:43.03 | Khertan | lcuk, do not joke about that ... the older task in my todo apps ... is : "FINISH ME" |
| 12:43.04 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:43.09 | alterego | Khertan: what's the calendar db? |
| 12:43.27 | sejo | lol |
| 12:43.32 | Khertan | the calendar db is a sqlite db |
| 12:43.42 | lcuk | Khertan, then follow it |
| 12:43.42 | alterego | I want to interface with it myself, evolution thingy is missing. |
| 12:43.42 | Khertan | but ... hum ... strange schema |
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| 12:43.49 | alterego | Khertan: I meant, where is it? :P |
| 12:43.49 | Khertan | yep ... 2 s |
| 12:44.12 | Khertan | sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb |
| 12:44.13 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:44.19 | Khertan | i like tomboy ! |
| 12:44.19 | Khertan | :) |
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| 12:45.00 | summel | ok i give up... all the instructions i can find use qmake instead of cmake -_- |
| 12:45.22 | summel | so i guess there will never be a package, only a binary :P |
| 12:45.53 | alterego | Khertan: thanks :) |
| 12:46.59 | alterego | I use Conboy loads, it's the best :) |
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| 12:51.01 | smoku | sejo: I learnt some time ago, that if I have an idea for an app, I just need to wait a month or so, and it will magically appear by someone else ;-) |
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| 12:52.05 | smoku | summel: what problem do you have with cmake? i've been fighting this piece of cr lately - maybe I could help |
| 12:52.26 | summel | smoku: i want to package my qt4 application |
| 12:52.36 | summel | but all the instructions are written for qmake |
| 12:52.42 | summel | and my application uses cmake |
| 12:52.43 | summel | :( |
| 12:52.52 | smoku | "package" meaning? |
| 12:53.02 | smoku | tar.gz? deb? |
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| 12:55.51 | summel | .deb |
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| 13:04.53 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible to turn location on via the commandline? |
| 13:04.55 | smoku | summel: here's an example of packaging cmake app to deb: http://github.com/smokku/widelands/blob/master/debian/rules |
| 13:05.14 | summel | thx ill read into it |
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| 13:05.34 | GAN900 | Can somebody do me a quick favor and dig up the logs and minutes from the sprint meeting the other day? |
| 13:06.01 | GAN900 | Trying to finish up the council's blog post on it but GPRS hates me right now. |
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| 13:08.42 | sejo | lol smoku |
| 13:09.23 | summel | oO i dont even understand it |
| 13:10.02 | MohammadAG_ | debian/rules is quite easy to modify |
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| 13:11.19 | auenf | whats the key combo to take a screenshot? |
| 13:11.26 | auenf | and does it work at the initial setup screen? |
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| 13:12.09 | summel | ctrl shift p |
| 13:13.38 | achipa | GAN900: this ? http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2010-05-17.html |
| 13:14.57 | auenf | welp, i can pick english (australia), but its not PR1.2 |
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| 13:15.23 | trashYyY | hello |
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| 13:17.39 | E0x | how i can check the cpu frequency ? cat /proc/cpuinfo dont give the data |
| 13:17.51 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 13:18.03 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.25 | SpeedEvil | ./devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state |
| 13:19.26 | SpeedEvil | Also - /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/state*/time |
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| 13:23.29 | GAN900 | achipa, thanks. |
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| 13:35.13 | summel | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format i did everything like it says there but yet my app only shows up in "All" and not in "Network" oO |
| 13:35.15 | summel | ;_; |
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| 13:37.57 | summel | and applications that show up in Network dont even have a Categories entry in theyr desktop file! wtf??? |
| 13:38.02 | andre__ | summel, please post your .desktop file on a pastebin |
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| 13:38.36 | summel | http://pastebin.org/257840 |
| 13:38.49 | summel | i tried it with and without the ; |
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| 13:39.54 | andre__ | exec on optâ½ |
| 13:40.06 | summel | but why does for example fmms show up in the right catergory when they dont even have a Category entry in theyr desktop file? oO |
| 13:40.10 | summel | andre__: hu? |
| 13:40.25 | andre__ | Exec=/opt/quassel/quasselclient |
| 13:40.28 | summel | yes? |
| 13:40.37 | summel | i copied my binary there |
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| 13:41.04 | andre__ | summel: tried adding X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable ? |
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| 13:41.24 | andre__ | and X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true ? |
| 13:41.28 | andre__ | they are clearly missing. |
| 13:41.46 | summel | a lot of working apps dont have these entries :o |
| 13:41.59 | auenf | <summel> ctrl shift p <-- where does it save to? |
| 13:42.20 | summel | auenf: /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots |
| 13:43.59 | Arkenoi | how can i view my saved microB passwords? |
| 13:45.19 | summel | andre__: does still not work |
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| 13:50.28 | akumar | not able to execute qt application inside scratchbox and the error is Floating point exception(core dumped),can anyone help me |
| 13:50.55 | akumar | please suggest me. |
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| 13:55.29 | style | is there working sftp client for n900 |
| 13:55.45 | moo---_ | akumar: extract the traceback from the core file where it crashed |
| 13:55.51 | zaheerm-lp | in terminal, there is: sftp |
| 13:55.51 | moo---_ | akumar: using gdb debugger |
| 13:55.54 | flashn | style, huh? |
| 13:56.13 | flashn | style, commandline tools arent n900 specific |
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| 13:56.50 | akumar | this application previously is working, here no any application is working |
| 13:57.41 | style | flashn: ye, but im looking for GUI alternative |
| 13:57.56 | akumar | moo---_: also basic program like hello, push-button, cur etc application is also not running. |
| 13:57.56 | andre__ | akumar: please post full output to pastebin. impossible to say from one line. |
| 13:58.00 | style | scp works fine, but GUI woulde nice |
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| 13:58.55 | GAN900 | andre__, I poke Karsten yesterday. |
| 13:59.06 | andre__ | GAN900, thanks |
| 13:59.12 | GAN900 | andre__, he's gonna blog and get the VCS up. |
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| 13:59.25 | GAN900 | Then I may poke Tero if we want more hours. |
| 14:00.49 | andre__ | (...and if Karsten has time for more hours) |
| 14:00.53 | andre__ | but sounds good. thanks a lot. |
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| 14:01.16 | moo---_ | akumar: yes but the error message is useless without a stack trace. You don't know what's crashing. |
| 14:01.38 | moo---_ | akumar: and it makes little sense to us to start guessing what you have been doing with your device to break it |
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| 14:02.28 | Arkenoi | ah. signons are in sqlite there. does a command line tool to dump it exist? |
| 14:03.04 | akumar | yes, i am tracing |
| 14:03.14 | GAN900 | andre__, sure, and thank you. ;) |
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| 14:11.54 | crashanddie | wow |
| 14:12.01 | crashanddie | Abill_uk actually posted a sensible comment |
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| 14:12.23 | crashanddie | GAN900: did you hack his account? |
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| 14:12.36 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: he said he's quitting? |
| 14:12.40 | crashanddie | nope |
| 14:12.43 | crashanddie | not even that |
| 14:13.09 | crashanddie | He actually replied to a very incendiary post of mine by being honest, respectful and having a decent point to make |
| 14:13.21 | crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=667750&postcount=51 |
| 14:13.24 | crashanddie | I'm speechless |
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| 14:14.13 | crashanddie | He needs to fix his broken enter key, and learn to make paragraphs, but still, I'm amazed |
| 14:14.32 | GAN900 | crashanddie, always. |
| 14:14.35 | GAN900 | What? |
| 14:16.32 | GAN900 | I really want to name this article "Last week we held a maemo.org sprint... or The 100 Days: Redux" |
| 14:17.02 | GAN900 | But I know that's not nearly informative enough nor as clever as I think it is. |
| 14:17.06 | Appiah | wow, there's drama even in the maemo community |
| 14:17.16 | Appiah | cries |
| 14:17.27 | crashanddie | Appiah: you must be new here |
| 14:17.28 | andre__ | hehe |
| 14:17.54 | Appiah | Haven't seen that in the channel |
| 14:17.58 | tybollt_ | wait a minute |
| 14:18.02 | Appiah | and I dont read off-topic on talk.maemo.org |
| 14:18.05 | tybollt_ | only one MFE allowed? :-o |
| 14:18.09 | tybollt_ | one account? |
| 14:18.12 | tybollt_ | ARGH |
| 14:18.13 | crashanddie | tybollt_: aye |
| 14:18.14 | Appiah | tybollt_: there's a app for multiple accounts |
| 14:18.15 | tybollt_ | \o/ |
| 14:18.27 | tybollt_ | Appiah: where where? |
| 14:18.35 | Appiah | and thats how exchange usally works on email clients |
| 14:19.04 | Appiah | tybollt_: seen it somewhere.. |
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| 14:21.04 | crashanddie | Appiah: you sound like someone who just witnessed virgin mary |
| 14:21.14 | Appiah | cant find it , maybe I was wrong , sorry tybollt_ =/ |
| 14:21.25 | Appiah | crashanddie: ? :) |
| 14:22.26 | tybollt_ | jaja |
| 14:22.32 | tybollt_ | hmm |
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| 14:23.45 | Appiah | but thats not strange. I mean outlook on Windows never supported more then 1 exchange account , same with evolution on linux |
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| 14:26.45 | tybollt_ | Olrite |
| 14:26.50 | tybollt_ | fair enough then |
| 14:27.14 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? |
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| 14:27.24 | tybollt_ | problem is missus will soon have a android phone |
| 14:27.31 | tybollt_ | need to sync calendars |
| 14:27.35 | cityLights | dear developers |
| 14:27.50 | tybollt_ | I'm guessing android doesn't do ovi calendar so ;) |
| 14:27.57 | cityLights | where is the place to learn how to use gtk for python? |
| 14:28.14 | Appiah | pygtk? |
| 14:28.18 | cityLights | I saw some examples in maemo 4 nokia |
| 14:28.28 | Appiah | www.pygtk.org |
| 14:28.57 | GAN900 | crashanddie, think up a fun and informative title for me. |
| 14:29.09 | Appiah | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ maybe better for maemo |
| 14:29.14 | bigbrovar | cityLights: generally you might want to check this out http://tuxradar.com/content/code-project-build-pygtk-rss-reader |
| 14:29.17 | crashanddie | GAN900: Justin Bieber doesn't use Maemo |
| 14:29.42 | crashanddie | GAN900: what's it about? |
| 14:29.45 | cityLights | any "bible" for hildon UI? |
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| 14:30.08 | crashanddie | cityLights: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo#Tutorials |
| 14:30.17 | crashanddie | cityLights: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/ |
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| 14:31.36 | crashanddie | c'mon bitches, bring it on |
| 14:31.38 | crashanddie | I'll answer anything |
| 14:31.47 | GAN900 | crashanddie, the 2010 brainstorm. |
| 14:32.07 | crashanddie | GAN900: "Pick my collective brain, contributor" |
| 14:32.22 | GAN900 | I like that. |
| 14:32.30 | cityLights | google: what is pygtk? |
| 14:32.30 | cityLights | thnaks Appiah |
| 14:32.43 | crashanddie | cityLights: hildon is based on gtk |
| 14:32.58 | crashanddie | cityLights: so pymaemo is just specifics for maemo, but the base is pygtk, so you'll need a lot of it |
| 14:33.23 | lcuk | mmmmm py |
| 14:33.39 | lmoura | I'd recommend at least a little bit of desktop pygtk experience |
| 14:33.46 | crashanddie | lmoura: no need |
| 14:33.49 | lmoura | at least the basics (containers, connecting signals) |
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| 14:34.41 | crashanddie | cityLights: for example, there's specific widgets that are only available to maemo (wizard, time selector, etc), but loads are basic GTK (GtkButton, for example) |
| 14:35.11 | cityLights | ok |
| 14:35.34 | lcuk | either way, with python a quick google usually brings up decent short example snippets of doing something |
| 14:35.37 | cityLights | is therou may recomend?e one guide y |
| 14:35.37 | cityLights | sorry |
| 14:35.43 | GAN900 | OK, it's up, you bastards. http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorming_maemo-org_2010/ |
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| 14:35.59 | cityLights | is there any specific guide one may recomend? |
| 14:37.13 | crashanddie | GAN900: meh, no witty title then? |
| 14:37.53 | GAN900 | crashanddie, being an announcement and not an editorial, yeah. |
| 14:38.09 | GAN900 | One of us has to find a way to use that line, though. |
| 14:38.23 | crashanddie | "us"? Hey, you're the council, bitch |
| 14:38.47 | MohammadAG | lmao |
| 14:39.28 | crashanddie | lcuk: collabora nicely ignored me :) |
| 14:40.33 | lcuk | next time you send a cv, it helps if you dont include a naked picture of self |
| 14:40.37 | Stskeeps | well, they may read the logs here, crashanddie ;) |
| 14:42.04 | lcuk | crashanddie, how is the conversations search tool coming on nowadays? :D |
| 14:42.34 | w00t_ | lcuk: it got forwarded to you, then? |
| 14:42.35 | w00t_ | :-) |
| 14:42.57 | bidossessi | is pyside the future-proof way to go if you want to do python-qt devel work for maemo/meego? |
| 14:43.22 | lcuk | w00t_, i'm officially blinded |
| 14:43.44 | w00t_ | bidossessi: for the most part, pyside and pyqt are fairly syntax-compatible, there isn't many differences |
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| 14:44.17 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/05/20/how-old-your-home-is/ |
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| 14:45.47 | lcuk | LOL hrw, i have my college work back to '98-99 everything prior to that wasnt on a pc |
| 14:46.55 | crashanddie | lcuk: so you've been mamed by nokia, intoxicated by the summit, and now blinded by collabora. Djeezus, Maemo isn't so good for you after all xD |
| 14:47.24 | hrw | lcuk: I should have some 90's files on hdd but they are archived |
| 14:47.31 | crashanddie | lcuk: I basically moved in with my gf, it's amazing that I can actually get to my laptop so often, as soon as I start coding she starts sulking |
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| 14:48.27 | lcuk | hrw ahh mine are live and available |
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| 14:48.33 | lcuk | about 40 subfolders in |
| 14:48.37 | lcuk | its like tree rings |
| 14:48.38 | lcuk | lol |
| 14:48.42 | hrw | ;D |
| 14:50.52 | lcuk | crashanddie, tish, if you dont have scrapes and bruises along the way what else can you talk about :D |
| 14:51.05 | crashanddie | true |
| 14:51.13 | crashanddie | but the burn marks on my knees are painful |
| 14:51.33 | lcuk | hah |
| 14:51.40 | crashanddie | I hate her "Baby, it's sexy when you crawl" |
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| 14:52.58 | bidossessi | i'm planning to port part of a pygtk app we're developing for work to the n900. I understand i could just use hildon (i've done some tests and it works) but i'd like to use the "preferred" ui library if possible. however, this pyside/pygtk issue is confusing me. |
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| 14:56.07 | E0x | bidossessi: hmm i don't know much but i think pygtk work on n900 |
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| 14:57.35 | GAN900 | Oops, Midgard stumbled on the Google Docs paste |
| 14:58.30 | mgedmin | bidossessi, both will work; pygtk (hildon) will use the native toolkit and maybe sidestep issues with libqt versions; pyside is a bit more forward-looking, as the next tablet will switch to qt |
| 14:58.48 | mgedmin | however gtk and pygtk apps will continue to work, I'm certain |
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| 14:59.15 | mgedmin | I personally like pygtk a lot |
| 14:59.18 | mgedmin | haven't ever tried pyside |
| 14:59.28 | mgedmin | haven't really tried app development for n900 |
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| 15:03.07 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I remember seeing you say something about an upgradeable sensor |
| 15:03.16 | MohammadAG | what was that about? |
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| 15:07.39 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, stupid Nokia design-by-community thing. |
| 15:08.11 | MohammadAG | oh so it's not about the N900? |
| 15:08.31 | GAN900 | No |
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| 15:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | though actually the main camera on N900 is theoretically replaceable by a better model (if you can find a matching one, with drivers ;-P ) |
| 15:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | aiui it's just a matter of pull&plug |
| 15:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | main camera also avalable as separate sparepart |
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| 15:20.18 | tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: the screen? |
| 15:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt_: please rephrase |
| 15:20.40 | chem|st | captain obvious just entered the building... |
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| 15:21.36 | chem|st | tybollt_: for what reason would you replace a UH-screen with an XUH-screen? |
| 15:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 15:23.02 | chem|st | I'd like to have another plug for vga... |
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| 15:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | but yes, if you can find a LCD same size and same interface specs as the one used in N900, but with a different resolution, I guess you could tweak the omap SoC videobufer hardware to drive that correctly |
| 15:24.20 | chem|st | some kind of dumb to have a vga > comp > vga conversion... |
| 15:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | in theory |
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| 15:25.08 | chem|st | you would need to replace the interface |
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| 15:26.13 | tybollt_ | DocScrutinizer: I want to replace the screen of my N900 :) |
| 15:26.45 | SpeedEvil | Also - the display controller is ratehr flexible. |
| 15:26.52 | chem|st | most of the common used interfaces do more resolutions; but they do not have the fate of being small and powersaving |
| 15:26.59 | SpeedEvil | And has a LVDS interface to the display - unless I'm confused. |
| 15:27.05 | chem|st | tybollt_: with what |
| 15:27.23 | SpeedEvil | You would need to reprogram the driver, and work out the pinout of the LCD, and supply extra battery for backlighting. |
| 15:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack |
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| 15:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Other than that - and the touchscreen - and the case - it's simple. |
| 15:27.57 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: touchscreen doesnt matter |
| 15:28.08 | tybollt_ | with a fricken spare part for god sakes :) |
| 15:28.11 | tybollt_ | my screen is bust |
| 15:28.16 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:28.20 | SpeedEvil | you can do that too |
| 15:28.25 | SpeedEvil | It's ratehr easier. |
| 15:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt_: now THAT's easy, dude |
| 15:28.34 | SpeedEvil | But you're probably est to get it replaced. |
| 15:28.35 | chem|st | tybollt_: lol just do! where are you from? |
| 15:28.38 | SpeedEvil | professionally |
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| 15:29.08 | tybollt_ | so question is where'd I get it? |
| 15:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | iirc spare LCD is ~80EUR |
| 15:29.25 | tybollt_ | I can live w/ that |
| 15:29.31 | tybollt_ | easily |
| 15:30.17 | chem|st | tybollt_: LCD or touchscreen aswell? |
| 15:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt_: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ for example |
| 15:30.30 | chem|st | touch is about 65⬠lcd 80-90⬠|
| 15:30.46 | chem|st | or http://www.belzakelijk.nl/accessoires/zoeken/511/nokia/2156/n900/41/spare-parts/ |
| 15:30.50 | tybollt_ | this is a scratch |
| 15:30.56 | tybollt_ | on the very outer part of the lcd |
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| 15:31.01 | tybollt_ | so just the lcd then |
| 15:31.24 | SpeedEvil | tybollt_: that's the digitiser then |
| 15:31.25 | chem|st | tybollt_: scratch is surface of your phone you mean? |
| 15:31.27 | SpeedEvil | tybollt_: not the LCD |
| 15:31.46 | SpeedEvil | tybollt_: To scratch the LCD, you need to cut through the glass bottom of the digitiser |
| 15:31.51 | tybollt_ | heh |
| 15:31.54 | tybollt_ | fair enough |
| 15:31.56 | tybollt_ | then that |
| 15:32.07 | SpeedEvil | Also - a screen protector on the top may somewhat obscure it. |
| 15:32.10 | chem|st | if you got your surface scratched this is the touchscreen |
| 15:32.48 | tybollt_ | no the scratch is too deep |
| 15:32.54 | tybollt_ | so yeah the touchscreen then |
| 15:32.56 | tybollt_ | awesome |
| 15:33.26 | chem|st | tybollt_: there are several ways to fix this with lubricant and polish |
| 15:33.49 | tybollt_ | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/popup_image.php?pID=4369&imgID=1 |
| 15:33.51 | tybollt_ | so that then |
| 15:33.53 | tybollt_ | ^^^^^^^ |
| 15:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4364_Original-Nokia-N900-Display--LCD-.html |
| 15:35.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you are on another path my dear friend! |
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| 15:36.01 | chem|st | tybollt_: yes that |
| 15:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah I missed the part with the scratch |
| 15:36.32 | chem|st | and another 40⬠at a nokia care center to replace it without warranty void |
| 15:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:37.58 | tybollt_ | will nokia repaircenter actually take the new piece I ordered and put it in there for 40 bucks? |
| 15:38.01 | tybollt_ | seriously? |
| 15:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | ask at your next nokia care center, they will happily tell you what's needed and how many bucks you have to pull |
| 15:38.20 | tybollt_ | won't they charge me $LITTLE_LESS_THAN_PRIZE_OF_NEW_PHONE to do that? :) |
| 15:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:38.36 | tybollt_ | really? Oh ok |
| 15:38.42 | tybollt_ | fair enough, I'll head on over :) |
| 15:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | they are quite reasonable with their prices (at least the shop I contacted) |
| 15:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | official nokia competence center |
| 15:40.34 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: s/PRIZE/PRICE/ :) |
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| 15:41.56 | tybollt_ | fuck |
| 15:42.02 | tybollt_ | sorry about that |
| 15:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 15:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | thanks timeless_mbp for the never ending effort to improve our skills in correct written English |
| 15:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | actually I know at least I can use it |
| 15:43.42 | tybollt_ | For the protocol, I actually got to slap _timeless_ wrist the other day. I am still considering putting this in my CV ;-P |
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| 15:43.58 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 15:44.36 | tybollt_ | anyway then I'll head on over to the shop... thanks |
| 15:45.52 | akumar | please any one suggest me soltion, http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ |
| 15:46.34 | akumar | error is Floating point exception(core dumped) "$@", and details on http://pastebin.com/FeHR4tNZ |
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| 15:54.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: Any way to change the window title of xchat? the interesting part (chan name) is cut off |
| 15:54.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | "XChat: DocScrutinizer51 @ FreeNod" |
| 15:55.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite useless info |
| 15:55.40 | lcuk | not so useless when you are on the freehug server |
| 15:55.56 | agi | or if you have alzheimer's |
| 15:55.58 | hrw | xchat... one day I will find out how to change channels in maemo version |
| 15:56.26 | E0x | irssi FTW |
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| 15:56.33 | hrw | E0x: not in n900 xterm |
| 15:56.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | hrw: volume rocker? |
| 15:56.51 | E0x | is fine for me |
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| 15:57.41 | hrw | E0x: I am used to terminals bigger then 100x40 |
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| 15:58.09 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: I got volume change not channel |
| 15:58.16 | adeus | shrink the font? |
| 15:58.29 | hrw | adeus: to unreadable size? |
| 15:58.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | hrw: fix your key bindings in xchat settings |
| 15:59.09 | E0x | i think xchat have commands to change windows |
| 15:59.12 | E0x | like irssi does |
| 15:59.17 | E0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.20 | E0x | or something |
| 15:59.25 | hrw | DocScrutinizer51: xchat prefs are scary |
| 16:00.07 | luke-jr | Konversation ftw |
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| 16:01.21 | hrw | ~curse morons which removed MUC support |
| 16:01.22 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which removed MUC support ! |
| 16:01.54 | hrw | in Diablo I could use internal chat app to do irc. was enough for short sessions |
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| 16:01.59 | zash | hrw: WHAT |
| 16:02.08 | Stskeeps | pymucl exists |
| 16:02.21 | hrw | please... I tried pymucl |
| 16:02.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, okay |
| 16:02.41 | Stskeeps | it needs a better ui |
| 16:02.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:02.56 | hrw | Stskeeps: btw, passed exam? |
| 16:03.04 | hrw | -> off |
| 16:03.05 | Stskeeps | ah, just a test, no polish exams |
| 16:03.07 | Stskeeps | thank god |
| 16:03.08 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:03.18 | hrw | Stskeeps: ok |
| 16:03.24 | hrw | have a nice rest of day |
| 16:03.27 | Stskeeps | ta |
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| 16:19.09 | mintux | i need vpn client what do you suggest i want samething in windows with that option |
| 16:19.59 | Khertan | openvpn |
| 16:20.34 | mintux | openvpn is server or client? |
| 16:20.41 | Khertan | both : |
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| 16:38.54 | Khertan | X-Fade, Hi, you said me some weeks ago that someone want to become the maintainer and packager for PyGTKEditor on Maemo ... did you remember who want to do it ? as i ve never been contacted about |
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| 16:42.50 | ml-mobile | stupid maemo, don't auto-switch to wifi unless I tell you |
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| 16:45.06 | ShadowJK | maybe cellular connection dropped or you have autoswitch to wlan enabled :) |
| 16:45.42 | ml-mobile | autoswitch to wlan is disabled because of my home AP |
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| 16:47.41 | Arkenoi | Is there a way to temporary disable cellular data connection (which sucks battery big time)? Even if i turn IM protocols offline it does not help as sync is still there. |
| 16:48.28 | Jaffa | GAN900: belated pong, but just running out of the door |
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| 16:48.56 | Arkenoi | I get, like, 3 days of standby while on wifi and just 16-18 hours on 3G |
| 16:49.02 | Arkenoi | it sucks! |
| 16:49.20 | Khertan | a cutter ? |
| 16:49.30 | barisione | is there a page somewhere that tells me what the maemo buildbot is doing? like what packages are in the queue |
| 16:50.11 | Khertan | barisione, yep : https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 16:50.33 | Khertan | on the right |
| 16:50.46 | Khertan | and we can see there isn't many things in the queue :) |
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| 16:51.25 | barisione | ah, it shows just one thing because there is just one thing in the queue |
| 16:51.36 | barisione | not because it's just able to show one thing at once :) |
| 16:51.39 | Khertan | yep |
| 16:51.39 | barisione | but wai |
| 16:51.43 | barisione | *wait |
| 16:51.47 | barisione | where is my package? |
| 16:52.00 | frals | lcuk ate it, im sure |
| 16:52.26 | barisione | lcuk: stop eating my packages! |
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| 16:55.23 | Khertan_n900 | 11 days left and will should see the first meego netbook ux |
| 16:55.40 | GAN900 | Jaffa, expired. |
| 16:55.52 | GAN900 | Jaffa, was gonna ask your opinion on the title, but it's posted. |
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| 17:09.59 | Khertan | GAN900, you are talking of a Brainstorm not in maemo.org/community/brainstorm ? |
| 17:09.59 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:11.03 | GAN900 | Khertan, yes. |
| 17:11.19 | GAN900 | Jaffa, I balme Jaffa for the confusing nomenclature. |
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| 17:12.30 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:14.07 | GAN900 | Khertan, I was confused off and on by it for most of the sprint meeting. ;) |
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| 17:14.55 | Khertan | anyway ... i don't know what is worse ... lost in many useless talk post ... or lost in hardly to search brainstorm |
| 17:14.55 | Khertan | :) |
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| 17:16.42 | Khertan | have the feeling that qt is far from being ready for Maemo |
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| 17:29.19 | GAN900 | Khertan, just stick to the Community forum. |
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| 17:34.34 | jacekowski | tekonivel: ? |
| 17:34.57 | jacekowski | tekojo: ? |
| 17:35.05 | jacekowski | tekojo: srsly? |
| 17:35.25 | jacekowski | tekojo: i removed any code that's covered by that patent |
| 17:38.57 | jacekowski | tekojo: besides, if you would take a look at google status |
| 17:39.05 | jacekowski | tekojo: on that package |
| 17:39.27 | jacekowski | tekojo: anyways, their source is stillpublic and they don't seem to be worried about it |
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| 17:45.15 | bn8net | I have a problem to configure a SIP account (RTCOM) over VPN connection : the client use my gprs0 IP address instead of my vpn IP address. Someone know how i could fix this problem ? |
| 17:45.40 | bn8net | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.01 | GAN900 | jacekowski, Nokia Legal. |
| 17:48.22 | GAN900 | You could take your own eye out and it probably wouldn't help. |
| 17:49.36 | opdf2 | android 2.2 has flash? Is that full flash or another lite? |
| 17:49.55 | ohwhyme | full |
| 17:50.03 | tripzero | meh |
| 17:50.17 | tripzero | i'm not impressed with flash on my n900 for the most part |
| 17:50.24 | tripzero | fullscreen video is okay |
| 17:50.30 | tripzero | but everything else kinda sucks |
| 17:50.47 | tripzero | maybe flash 10.x solves the performance a bit |
| 17:51.06 | ohwhyme | well i thought 10.x has hw acceleration |
| 17:51.07 | ohwhyme | that should help |
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| 17:51.16 | ohwhyme | but read that its not coming to maemo? |
| 17:51.29 | opdf2 | Did they release performance # on android flash? |
| 17:51.44 | tripzero | not that i've seen |
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| 17:51.55 | opdf2 | might be like n900 then? |
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| 17:52.53 | bn8net | sorry, I forgot to say hello:) Anybody know how I can define the local-ip-address that sofiasip have to use ? |
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| 17:53.36 | tekojo | jacekowski google status is not my business, and if you look at it, they are in court |
| 17:53.52 | jacekowski | and then don't seem to be to bothered |
| 17:54.00 | pupnik | woohoo! |
| 17:54.08 | tekojo | as said that's their business, not mine |
| 17:54.23 | jacekowski | besides, there is no copyrighted code in maemo version of chromium |
| 17:54.51 | tekojo | no, but the legal team is looking at it differently |
| 17:55.29 | tekojo | I don't understand the US legal system, but their comment was pretty straight forward, even given specifically the point that all problematic code was removed |
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| 17:55.48 | jacekowski | comment? |
| 17:56.18 | tekojo | that Chromium should be removed from maemo.org repositories |
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| 17:56.56 | tekojo | I can get a more thorough comment tomorrow |
| 17:57.04 | Khertan | ? |
| 17:57.54 | tekojo | a company has a court case against google over Chromium and they sent a cease and desist to me for the package being in maemo.org |
| 17:58.22 | jacekowski | for distributing copyrighted code |
| 17:58.26 | jacekowski | and it's not there anymore |
| 17:59.17 | tekojo | removed in the latest build, but apparently the legal system in the US is more complicated than that |
| 18:00.24 | SpeedEvil | Is the text of this C&D available anywhere? Idly wondering. |
| 18:00.36 | jacekowski | i have it |
| 18:00.42 | RST38h | tekojo: Are you sure it is valid? |
| 18:00.45 | jacekowski | but i've been told to don't distribute it |
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| 18:01.24 | tekojo | RST38h I can't really say, the patent is there and there is an open court case |
| 18:01.32 | RST38h | After all, Google distributes Chromium *and* makes its source code available |
| 18:01.51 | RST38h | tekojo: AFAIK, this should either come from Google *or* be based on the court order |
| 18:02.26 | tekojo | SpeedEvil look for FreeBSD and Chromium if you are interested, we aren't the only party getting the letter |
| 18:02.32 | RST38h | tekojo: lacking that, their C&D has no more power then if I sent it to you |
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| 18:03.01 | tekojo | RST38h US civil court case. and you aren't a layer as far as I know |
| 18:03.20 | TomaszD | maybe a brick layer ;P |
| 18:03.29 | jacekowski | tekojo: have you noticed that there are only links to source code not binary package in that letter |
| 18:03.58 | RST38h | tekojo: Even although I am not a lawyer, it is clear to me that nobody can claim the ownership of Chromium sources until there is a court decision |
| 18:04.10 | tekojo | jacekowski yes, means that they aren't good as searching |
| 18:04.29 | RST38h | tekojo: And if their ownership is not confirmed by the court, their C&D has no force. |
| 18:04.31 | jacekowski | and what about a part that says that nokia is using that differential update shit |
| 18:04.34 | tekojo | RST38h it's not sources, it's a patent on a piece of technology |
| 18:04.40 | RST38h | same |
| 18:04.52 | jacekowski | and they have right to use it |
| 18:04.53 | tekojo | no, ask any ipr lawyer |
| 18:05.14 | RST38h | tekojo: So, has Nokia Legal actually confirmed that you have to remove it? |
| 18:05.39 | tekojo | haven't seen the agreement, but apparently Nokia has some part of the tech licensed |
| 18:05.45 | GAN900 | Love it. |
| 18:06.10 | tekojo | RST38h yes, that was the pretty much it |
| 18:06.44 | SpeedEvil | Has the legal team been informed that all of the relevant code has been removed? |
| 18:06.47 | tekojo | I'll get a statement out of them tomorrow on what it is all about |
| 18:07.00 | tekojo | SpeedEvil yes, specifically pointed out to them |
| 18:07.38 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: they just don't have balls to do anything else than cover their asses |
| 18:08.08 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: that reminds me |
| 18:08.15 | timeless_mbp | i owe someone an email to the legal team |
| 18:08.24 | timeless_mbp | is there a standard address for legal queries? |
| 18:08.48 | timeless_mbp | someone asked how nokia felt about a certain license, and i don't actually have an answer other than "we're allowed to use it" |
| 18:08.55 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: Usually US lawyer firms say they own copyright and such on their mailings/C&D letters. That's BS, they can not enforce that outside US. |
| 18:08.58 | tekojo | timeless_mbp I always start with our local contact and he takes it onward |
| 18:09.14 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: can you send me an internal mail w/ that contact? |
| 18:09.29 | tekojo | I'll try to remember tomorrow |
| 18:09.32 | timeless_mbp | my question is fairly "simple", but i hate chasing down contacts in a phone tree |
| 18:09.33 | timeless_mbp | thanks :) |
| 18:10.27 | tekojo | no prob |
| 18:10.33 | RST38h | tekojo: They are probably being cautious, just in case |
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| 18:11.12 | RST38h | tybollt: US or no US, you cannot enforce something that is not confirmed by the court |
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| 18:11.29 | RST38h | tybollt: Even in the US. |
| 18:11.43 | SpeedEvil | However - having ignored a cease and desist allows the court to exact greater penalty. |
| 18:11.44 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
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| 18:11.53 | timeless_mbp | that sounds roughly correct |
| 18:12.25 | tybollt_ | RST38h: Yes, true, that too |
| 18:12.35 | jacekowski | well, how US court can impose penalty on company based in EU |
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| 18:12.48 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: THEY CAN NOT |
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| 18:13.04 | SpeedEvil | tybollt_: Sure they can |
| 18:13.05 | tybollt_ | US law firms try that frequently |
| 18:13.09 | valdyn | jacekowski: *based in* is meaningless if they have *assets in* the US |
| 18:13.11 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: so |
| 18:13.16 | SpeedEvil | tybollt_: They seize assets of stuff in the US |
| 18:13.16 | timeless_mbp | a company that "does business in" |
| 18:13.24 | crashanddie | tybollt_: sure they can |
| 18:13.28 | timeless_mbp | is vulnerable |
| 18:13.34 | timeless_mbp | and a company which has representatives who "visit" |
| 18:13.35 | timeless_mbp | is vulnerable |
| 18:13.45 | tybollt_ | sure sure |
| 18:13.46 | timeless_mbp | (representatives probably has a technical term) |
| 18:13.54 | jacekowski | rep |
| 18:14.36 | tybollt_ | so tekojo is doing chrome port for Nokia? I thought it was a private effort :) |
| 18:14.44 | jacekowski | no |
| 18:14.47 | jacekowski | i'm doing it |
| 18:14.52 | RST38h | jacekowski,tybollt: Gentlemen, Nokia has large enough US presense to impose penalties on |
| 18:14.53 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: tekojo is part of repo.maemo.org |
| 18:14.56 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps the easiest would be to delete chromium from the repositories, and add chromium-nocourgette |
| 18:14.57 | timeless_mbp | or however you want to think about it |
| 18:15.00 | tekojo | my name just is on the maemo.org legal contact line |
| 18:15.02 | timeless_mbp | c&d go to the hosting groups |
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| 18:15.06 | RST38h | So, do not get all anticopyrighty |
| 18:15.13 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: eh? |
| 18:15.51 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: ok, they go to anyone remotely involed |
| 18:15.52 | RST38h | The point is though, this is for the court to decide, not for the plaintiff |
| 18:15.53 | timeless_mbp | better? :) |
| 18:16.00 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: that's not how things work |
| 18:16.04 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: sorry, thought you meant me with "c&d" |
| 18:16.10 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 18:16.13 | timeless_mbp | no, the other c&d |
| 18:16.17 | tybollt_ | anyway |
| 18:16.23 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: is this "Trademark Cyberpiracy Prevention Act" |
| 18:16.26 | timeless_mbp | or something else? |
| 18:16.40 | tybollt_ | I never heard of this supposed legal battle w/ google over chrome, where can I read more on that? |
| 18:16.45 | tybollt_ | google (!) isn't helping |
| 18:16.57 | jacekowski | tybollt_: google will help |
| 18:17.02 | jacekowski | tybollt_: if you ask it nicely |
| 18:17.05 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=google%20chrome%20cease%20and%20desist%20freebsd&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 18:17.06 | tybollt_ | heh :) |
| 18:17.07 | timeless_mbp | worksforme |
| 18:17.27 | timeless_mbp | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hubs/2010-March/002177.html |
| 18:18.32 | tekojo | timeless_mbp I didn't have time to get the detailed comment form legal today |
| 18:18.51 | tybollt_ | let me guess "red bend" is one of those nasty litigation shops? |
| 18:19.06 | RST38h | yep |
| 18:19.17 | jaska | troll conclave |
| 18:19.22 | timeless_mbp | tekojo: yeah yeah |
| 18:19.33 | timeless_mbp | i'm reading the freebsd variant |
| 18:19.44 | timeless_mbp | it should be sufficient for my needs |
| 18:19.48 | timeless_mbp | it seems to be patent infringement |
| 18:20.15 | timeless_mbp | http://www.smithhopen.com/litigation_cease_and_desist_letter_strategies.aspx |
| 18:20.16 | jacekowski | well, |
| 18:20.23 | timeless_mbp | seems like a reasonable starting point for research |
| 18:20.24 | jacekowski | i can send counter notification to nokia |
| 18:20.36 | jacekowski | in which case nokia isn't allowed to remove it |
| 18:20.49 | jacekowski | and i'll be liable for any costs |
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| 18:20.53 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: isn't allowed? |
| 18:21.04 | timeless_mbp | isn't nokia allowed to do whatever it likes? |
| 18:21.20 | jacekowski | no if i would send counter notification |
| 18:21.35 | jacekowski | ( unless they would take it down for some other reason ) |
| 18:22.01 | tybollt_ | anyway |
| 18:22.09 | tybollt_ | we have maemo.org |
| 18:22.17 | jacekowski | we don't |
| 18:22.24 | tybollt_ | why not publish a nice blog or rant someplace |
| 18:22.25 | jacekowski | nokia owns it |
| 18:22.31 | tybollt_ | jaja |
| 18:22.32 | jacekowski | and that's a problem |
| 18:22.32 | GAN900 | Hehehe |
| 18:22.39 | tybollt_ | what |
| 18:22.47 | jacekowski | nokia is owner of maemo.org |
| 18:22.54 | tybollt_ | so nokia expressly forbids us to publish a blog or rant of some sort? |
| 18:23.11 | tybollt_ | s/us/maemo staff/ |
| 18:23.28 | jacekowski | i don't know |
| 18:23.32 | jacekowski | probably no |
| 18:23.36 | tybollt_ | looks at GAN |
| 18:23.40 | jacekowski | unless it's about chromium |
| 18:23.44 | tekojo | tybollt_ no, it's just that when someone wants to take a formal action, they (physically) mail me |
| 18:23.44 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: in a number of areas, i'm pretty sure we are banned from blogging |
| 18:23.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure about legal |
| 18:23.56 | jacekowski | Nokia legal went through the red bend case and has strongly suggested that Chromium should be removed from maemo.org entirely at least for now. |
| 18:23.57 | timeless_mbp | but in general if you have any belief that your blog could be problematic |
| 18:24.08 | tybollt_ | tekojo: my point is - play the game - remove the code - but dobe loud and moan about it |
| 18:24.10 | timeless_mbp | you're expected to contact your pr + legal contacts before writing anything |
| 18:24.20 | tybollt_ | do be * |
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| 18:24.40 | jacekowski | tekojo: remove yourself from that page |
| 18:24.58 | tybollt_ | sigh |
| 18:24.58 | jacekowski | tekojo: and replace it with "send all legal letters to /dev/null" |
| 18:25.09 | jacekowski | solution! |
| 18:25.09 | tybollt_ | So everyone plays the bendover game |
| 18:25.13 | tekojo | jacekowski some name needs to be there, and yes we are looking at what it could be |
| 18:25.18 | tybollt_ | why blimey there Sherlock! |
| 18:25.59 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: could we offer a Toll number? :) |
| 18:25.59 | jacekowski | tekojo: Nokia Legal Department, somewhere in Finland, some street in Finland |
| 18:26.11 | timeless_mbp | + 1 900 w/ a $10/min fee? :) |
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| 18:26.25 | tekojo | jacekowski same end result as now |
| 18:26.32 | timeless_mbp | "if you have a complaint, please pay us to process it" :) |
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| 18:26.54 | RST38h | Galactic Overlord, Aldebaran, A Tauri |
| 18:27.02 | jacekowski | anonymous PO box? |
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| 18:27.17 | jacekowski | it's called PO box? |
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| 18:28.17 | tybollt_ | anonymous POS box |
| 18:28.25 | jacekowski | or just make a note that they should contact mantainers directly |
| 18:28.35 | jacekowski | in which case mantainer can ignore their letter |
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| 18:29.00 | DrGrov | PR 1.2 update? |
| 18:29.02 | RST38h | jacekowski <-- will be at the court in no time, using these strategies |
| 18:29.12 | RST38h | DrGrov: Christmas. |
| 18:29.17 | RST38h | 2001. |
| 18:29.23 | RST38h | 2011, sorry, my bad |
| 18:29.26 | DrGrov | RST38h, Seriously? |
| 18:29.32 | RST38h | of course |
| 18:29.36 | tekojo | RST38h it comes with time travel |
| 18:29.37 | RST38h | go blog about it |
| 18:29.47 | GAN900 | UK people, what's the name of that website with pictures of crappy Japanese ricer cars? |
| 18:29.52 | RST38h | tell 'em you have heard about it on the irc |
| 18:30.03 | GAN900 | There's a slang term in the UK for ricers which I can't recall. |
| 18:30.09 | jacekowski | RST38h: well, i don't live in US |
| 18:30.19 | RST38h | http://www.ricerocketuk.co.uk/ |
| 18:30.25 | jacekowski | RST38h: and i don't plan to go there ever again |
| 18:30.38 | RST38h | jacekowski: they will send the marines |
| 18:30.42 | tybollt_ | does anyone have the code? |
| 18:30.54 | tybollt_ | I'll put it on a private apt-repo |
| 18:30.56 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: you mean http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 18:30.58 | jacekowski | RST38h: they will get bombed by RAF before they even get here |
| 18:31.47 | RST38h | jacekowski: Using US-made ammunition, no doubt? |
| 18:31.55 | jacekowski | no |
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| 18:32.17 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:32.19 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: do you have the code? |
| 18:32.20 | jacekowski | using EU/UK made jets/bombers |
| 18:32.24 | jacekowski | tybollt_: i do |
| 18:32.32 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: shall we put it in a private repo? |
| 18:32.35 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter, yeah, think that's the one. |
| 18:32.36 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Neither did the barclays bank peeps. |
| 18:32.53 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: ? |
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| 18:33.03 | GAN900 | There's another one |
| 18:33.19 | jacekowski | RST38h: besides, i've already been in court |
| 18:33.26 | GAN900 | Barry's something or other. |
| 18:33.37 | jacekowski | RST38h: for excessive speeding |
| 18:33.40 | RST38h | jacekowski: Using French made jets??? |
| 18:33.44 | RST38h | is scared now |
| 18:33.57 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:34.04 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NatWest_Three |
| 18:34.06 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: |
| 18:34.13 | SpeedEvil | I got my financial insitutions confused. |
| 18:34.23 | jacekowski | RST38h: harrier for example |
| 18:34.31 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: No, that is not him |
| 18:34.48 | lcuk | heh X-Fade i think you should find collabora have descended on maemo.org repositories - barisione and albanc both getting some community apps together :D |
| 18:35.03 | cato` | is it posible to live in the US without going to jail? |
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| 18:35.19 | jacekowski | cato`: not really |
| 18:35.25 | albanc | lcuk, and cassidy just uploaded an application too :-) |
| 18:35.29 | jacekowski | cato`: they have highest incarceration rate in the world |
| 18:35.35 | cato` | thought so |
| 18:35.38 | RST38h | jacekowski: The BAE/Boeing Harrier? :) |
| 18:35.38 | lcuk | lol albanc cool stuff |
| 18:35.48 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: you're not answering |
| 18:35.54 | lcuk | albanc, what are you pushing? |
| 18:36.03 | albanc | lcuk, map-buddy |
| 18:36.05 | jacekowski | RST38h: just BAE |
| 18:36.11 | lcuk | :D excellent |
| 18:36.18 | jacekowski | tybollt_: it's in my private repo |
| 18:36.20 | RST38h | jacekowski: Wiki says BAE/Boeing |
| 18:36.26 | jacekowski | tybollt_: that nobody except me can touch |
| 18:36.33 | lcuk | albanc, what does it do for people without location data? |
| 18:36.38 | jacekowski | RST38h: they designed couple aircrafts |
| 18:36.41 | jacekowski | RST38h: most of them alone |
| 18:36.42 | albanc | lcuk, with cassidy's azimuth and my changes to map-buddy, N900's users will be able to see contacts on a map |
| 18:36.45 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: :) why not put it in a private/public repo? |
| 18:37.09 | RST38h | jacekowski: So, you mean, they are gonna use the model designed in the 70s? |
| 18:37.16 | lcuk | oh nice albanc :D theres been a lot of interest in similar kinds of apps |
| 18:37.31 | jacekowski | RST38h: ekhm |
| 18:37.40 | lcuk | i think we spoke about it in belgium last time (was it with you?) |
| 18:37.55 | jacekowski | RST38h: i'm not sure but most modern flying US jet is ~30years old |
| 18:38.01 | albanc | lcuk, without location data, you can just see the map and look for some business addresses (see http://www.pierlux.com/map-buddy/) |
| 18:38.08 | jacekowski | tybollt_: it is |
| 18:38.19 | jacekowski | tybollt_: i just don't advertise it's address everywhere |
| 18:38.19 | tybollt_ | jacekowski: so I can have it? :) |
| 18:38.22 | RST38h | jacekowski: Well, there is HarrierII, employed by the British Navy since 2006 |
| 18:38.34 | RST38h | jacekowski: The only problem is, it is a joint project with Boeing |
| 18:38.53 | RST38h | So, if you want a truly British bird, that will have to be the 70s model |
| 18:39.22 | RST38h | (and we have not got to the ammunition yet ;)) |
| 18:39.47 | jacekowski | RST38h: well, eurofighter |
| 18:40.23 | RST38h | jacekowski: Anyway, US will send a submarine full of Marines after you, so aerial bombardment will be futile! |
| 18:40.25 | lcuk | ~seen lardman |
| 18:40.27 | infobot | lardman <~vircuser@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 5h 18m 26s ago, saying: 'anyway sorry for the random aside :)'. |
| 18:40.43 | RST38h | idly wonders whether he should scare jacekowski with a nuclear deterrent |
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| 18:40.44 | jacekowski | RST38h: and UK can send couple nukes in US direction |
| 18:40.56 | RST38h | ah, wait, he has done it first. |
| 18:41.07 | jacekowski | tybollt_: http://svn.jacekowski.org/chromium/trunk/ |
| 18:41.34 | jacekowski | you need svn client |
| 18:42.05 | jacekowski | and you need some earlier revision |
| 18:42.12 | jacekowski | latest one is broken |
| 18:42.12 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter / RST38h, http://www.barryboys.co.uk/ |
| 18:44.28 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: great |
| 18:45.49 | RST38h | GAN: Oh yesss |
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| 18:49.40 | tekojo | Good night! |
| 18:50.05 | navtis | hi hope you don't mind if I ask a n900 phone question here but looking for a quick response & thought folks here might be helpful |
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| 18:50.38 | navtis | I've just gone abroad with phone for first time and it hasn't pciked up any network at all |
| 18:51.32 | budfive | where's "abroad"? |
| 18:51.39 | navtis | I have working wifi, but effectively no phone |
| 18:51.42 | navtis | italy |
| 18:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | navtis: check settings app - phone - network selection |
| 18:53.11 | RST38h | navtis: ever heard of roaming? |
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| 18:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to select manual mode for network selection, giving you a requester with all the networks found so you can pick one to roam to |
| 18:53.17 | RST38h | have roaming enabled? |
| 18:53.27 | navtis | says selection - automatic, mode - dual; roaming - always ask |
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| 18:53.44 | RST38h | no, do you have roaming enabled at your home provider? |
| 18:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | if the network doesn't allow roaming with your provider, you'll get a notice and can select another |
| 18:54.16 | timeless_mbp | navtis: what country are you in? |
| 18:54.32 | timeless_mbp | i've been in italy w/ nokia phones |
| 18:54.35 | navtis | rst38h: didn't explicitly ask for romaing, no (t-mobile) |
| 18:54.45 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember whether that included an n900 |
| 18:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | that's usually not needed |
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| 18:55.12 | satmd | t-mobile in which country? |
| 18:55.19 | satmd | and where're you roaming at? |
| 18:55.22 | navtis | manual selection: I have tim, win, vodafone IT, 3-ITA available in manual |
| 18:55.23 | red | arghhh |
| 18:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | navtis: click on network selection, click on manual |
| 18:55.33 | red | cant the n900 play h264? |
| 18:55.44 | navtis | satmd: have contract with t-mobile in uk, am in italy now |
| 18:55.46 | timeless_mbp | i guess i was in torino in summer 2008 |
| 18:55.49 | red | im getting unable to play unsupported media type |
| 18:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | navtis: select whatever network you think is the best to roam to |
| 18:55.52 | timeless_mbp | which predates the n900 release |
| 18:55.54 | satmd | hm |
| 18:55.58 | timeless_mbp | so i wouldn't have had it there :( |
| 18:56.16 | satmd | I *think* it should be vodafone |
| 18:56.23 | RST38h | navtis: tmobile means that there is a good probability you can roam |
| 18:56.30 | timeless_mbp | navtis: there's no real problem w/ trying each network in turn |
| 18:56.31 | navtis | docscrutinizer: tried tim, says no access. trying the others... |
| 18:56.34 | timeless_mbp | it's just time consuming |
| 18:56.38 | satmd | true |
| 18:56.41 | RST38h | navtis: *BUT* you should have explicitely ask tmobile to enable roaming for you before leaving |
| 18:56.50 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 18:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: for data yes, for phone call no |
| 18:57.04 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, American Personal contracts don't enable international roaming by default |
| 18:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 18:57.11 | navtis | rst38h: been to italy many times with other phones, always picked up automatically on partner of home provider before |
| 18:57.17 | timeless_mbp | American corporate contracts do enable international roaming by default |
| 18:57.18 | RST38h | navtis: and in any case, I would suggest against it, roaming charges may leave you without food and lodging =) |
| 18:57.37 | timeless_mbp | yeah, having racked up huge bills in Europe |
| 18:57.38 | RST38h | navtis: same sim card? |
| 18:57.42 | timeless_mbp | I wouldn't suggest roaming data |
| 18:57.44 | navtis | I Wind also says 'no access' |
| 18:57.54 | RST38h | navtis: Basically, I suggest that you buy a local sim card from vodaphone |
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| 18:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: again mainly true for data roaming, not phonecall roaming |
| 18:58.04 | RST38h | navtis: pay-as-you-go card |
| 18:58.07 | navtis | vodafone: nno access |
| 18:58.12 | timeless_mbp | yeah, grab a local sim card |
| 18:58.18 | timeless_mbp | and setup skype or sip |
| 18:58.22 | RST38h | navtis: And ask them to give you promotional data access |
| 18:58.37 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: ooh, shiny |
| 18:58.42 | RST38h | navtis: On Vodaphone, this should give you about 30MB, before the fuckers start charging you at 1 euro /MB |
| 18:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: you're mad! local payg with DATA??? :-O |
| 18:58.57 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: hey, i've never done it |
| 18:59.01 | navtis | I don't want data roaming, just a working sodding phone |
| 18:59.05 | timeless_mbp | i just bill my employer w/ my national sim :) |
| 18:59.09 | timeless_mbp | (roaming) |
| 18:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | navtis: what's your provider? |
| 18:59.23 | RST38h | navtis: local card it is then |
| 18:59.30 | navtis | last option 3ITA just hangs. So none of the networks are letting me connect |
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| 18:59.51 | timeless_mbp | iirc i was able to use 2 of the italian providers while i was there |
| 18:59.58 | timeless_mbp | but agreements vary by provider |
| 19:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | navtis: what's your provider? |
| 19:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | that's why ^^^^ |
| 19:00.37 | RST38h | navtis: Last resort solution: catch a cat or a pair of small rodents of different genders, and sacrifice them to the Tentacled One. Make sure you collect all the blood. |
| 19:00.38 | satmd | DocScrutinizer: t-mobile uk, he said |
| 19:00.38 | navtis | timeless_mbp: you tried to 'grab a local sim' in italy? Need to register with police and all |
| 19:00.55 | timeless_mbp | navtis: heh |
| 19:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | t-mo should roam to t-mo worldwide |
| 19:01.06 | satmd | there's no t-mobile there |
| 19:01.07 | RST38h | navtis: really? |
| 19:01.07 | timeless_mbp | no, i used a finnish sim in italy :) |
| 19:01.09 | satmd | but vodafone it |
| 19:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe they actually need enabling it |
| 19:01.13 | navtis | so I guess I need to somehow contact t-mobile and have a go at them |
| 19:01.21 | RST38h | vodaphone should handle it for tmobile afaik |
| 19:01.30 | RST38h | navtis: that may help, yes |
| 19:01.30 | satmd | you can safely try to roam with every option listed |
| 19:01.34 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=t-mobile%20roaming%20italy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 19:01.36 | satmd | there will be no cost if it fails |
| 19:01.39 | timeless_mbp | http://www.t-mobile.com/International/RoamingOverview.aspx?tp=Inl_Tab_RoamWorldwide |
| 19:01.40 | RST38h | navtis: at least they will be able ot tell you what to do |
| 19:02.22 | navtis | timeless_mbp: thanks for url, am off to try that... will report back later. |
| 19:02.31 | MohammadAG_ | ~ping |
| 19:02.31 | infobot | ~pong |
| 19:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp has the right clue |
| 19:02.52 | MohammadAG_ | how the f*** |
| 19:02.59 | tybollt_ | sssh MohammadAG_ |
| 19:03.18 | MohammadAG_ | i switched to 3G |
| 19:03.31 | MohammadAG_ | yet i'm still here |
| 19:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | and the building next to BTS exploded? |
| 19:03.43 | satmd | lol |
| 19:04.09 | satmd | for example you could have got the same ip again by random |
| 19:04.27 | MohammadAG_ | that's not possible |
| 19:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | or it didn't really switch to 3G at all |
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| 19:04.50 | navtis | timeless_mbp: 'my t-mobile is currently disabled while we work to improve the site for you'!!! Sigh... |
| 19:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | is there a "3" under the signal bar? |
| 19:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | a "3G" actually |
| 19:05.18 | MohammadAG_ | 3.5 |
| 19:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | or a "35" |
| 19:05.19 | timeless_mbp | navtis: awesome |
| 19:05.26 | yuizy_ | how many of you have had the usb problem? |
| 19:05.35 | MohammadAG_ | hsdpa |
| 19:05.39 | timeless_mbp | yuizy_: "the usb problem"? |
| 19:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | hspa even |
| 19:05.50 | MohammadAG_ | host mode? |
| 19:05.55 | MohammadAG_ | hsupa? |
| 19:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | hspa == hsdpa + hsupa |
| 19:06.07 | MohammadAG_ | that's 3.75G |
| 19:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 19:06.17 | yuizy_ | timeless_mbp: the "connector" comes out or something like that |
| 19:06.29 | MohammadAG_ | oh |
| 19:06.31 | mikhas | that's hardware, not usb =p |
| 19:06.33 | MohammadAG_ | nlt me |
| 19:06.37 | MohammadAG_ | not* |
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| 19:07.34 | RST38h | Doc: What is the actual difference between HSUPA and HSDPA? |
| 19:07.39 | jacekowski | besides, what's that 3.5G? |
| 19:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: "3.5" means any combination of HSDPA and HSUPA is in effect, with at least one of them non-null |
| 19:07.45 | yuizy_ | i just returned my device for the second time |
| 19:08.15 | jacekowski | what's difference between 3.5 and 3? |
| 19:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: it doesn't say anything about the real bandwidth neither up- nor downstream |
| 19:08.20 | yuizy_ | i'm not sure if i'm doing something wrong or is it just bad luck |
| 19:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: "3G" is neither HSDPA nor HSUPA in effect |
| 19:08.44 | RST38h | Ah I see it, it is link direction |
| 19:08.51 | RST38h | Uplink and Downlink |
| 19:09.00 | jacekowski | so what's 3G? |
| 19:09.09 | jacekowski | what is it using then |
| 19:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: "3G" is neither HSDPA nor HSUPA in effect |
| 19:09.19 | jacekowski | so it's 2G then |
| 19:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | UMTS |
| 19:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | plain vanilla UMTS = 3G |
| 19:09.43 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 19:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | UMTS + HSP?A = 3.5 |
| 19:09.48 | MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, logic fail |
| 19:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | GSM GPRS = 2G |
| 19:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | GSM GPRS + EDGE = 2.5 |
| 19:10.24 | MohammadAG_ | if it's not 3G it could be 4G |
| 19:10.35 | MohammadAG_ | logic fail there ^ |
| 19:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | 4G = LTE |
| 19:10.40 | RST38h | "4G" is used for WiMax and the LTE |
| 19:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | LTE != UMTS |
| 19:10.50 | jacekowski | HSUPA + HSDPA+ UMTS=3.501G? |
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| 19:11.03 | RST38h | (although using it for WiMax is probably incorrect) |
| 19:11.15 | jacekowski | so wifi is where with all these G's |
| 19:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: "3.5" means any combination of HSDPA and HSUPA is in effect, with at least one of them non-null |
| 19:11.48 | RST38h | isn't HSUPA kinda useless for client apps like a browser? |
| 19:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | WiFi is 802.11 |
| 19:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | not xG |
| 19:12.07 | RST38h | 802.11 a/b/g |
| 19:12.19 | RST38h | oh I forgot n :) |
| 19:12.19 | jacekowski | 802.11G |
| 19:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | xG is a marketing term anyway, rather meaningless technically |
| 19:12.32 | Surfa | RST38h, not quite useless |
| 19:13.02 | Surfa | there are plenty of sites that enable uploading.. |
| 19:13.21 | RST38h | yes but how often do you upload? |
| 19:13.35 | Surfa | not me, but some people do |
| 19:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: anyway if it's available, it's a nice-to-have |
| 19:14.16 | RST38h | yea |
| 19:14.17 | Surfa | and i think hsupa has some effect on rtt too |
| 19:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | for sure |
| 19:14.29 | Surfa | which is really nice for bowser too |
| 19:14.36 | MohammadAG_ | gives DocScrutinizer a "We need to put "echo host >mode" to work, we needto switch PHY chip to host config which is 2* pulldown R. " T-Shirt and mug |
| 19:14.37 | Surfa | or browser |
| 19:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: cool :-D thanks |
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| 19:15.24 | RST38h | notices that he would not believe it if someone told him 10 years ago that he would be accessing the Net via his phone on a bus |
| 19:16.17 | Arkenoi | rst38h: actually i did that 10 years ago |
| 19:16.23 | Surfa | 10 years ago it was almost possible already :) |
| 19:16.30 | Arkenoi | not almost, done that |
| 19:16.48 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Well, I also did it with WAP, but one could not call the "Internet" |
| 19:16.51 | Surfa | ehm.. talkin about wap or real ner? |
| 19:16.52 | jaska | i remember ircing with a 9000i back in the day.. was a sedan not a bus tho |
| 19:16.56 | RST38h | s/the/it |
| 19:16.59 | Arkenoi | RST38h, not wap, ssh and web |
| 19:17.04 | RST38h | Arkenoi: AMPS? |
| 19:17.15 | Surfa | what phone are you talking about now? |
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| 19:17.33 | RST38h | Surfa: there was exactly one phone like that |
| 19:17.46 | RST38h | Nokia 9xxx series =) |
| 19:17.57 | Arkenoi | RST38h, 10 years ago was 2000, so it was my *third* generation communicator and *fourth* model |
| 19:18.09 | RST38h | Actually, Palm people also had a connected model but it was kinda pitiful |
| 19:18.09 | jaska | iirc in 2000 there was atleast 9110 |
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| 19:18.25 | Arkenoi | 9210 |
| 19:18.26 | jaska | 9110 was ... 1998 i think? |
| 19:18.30 | Arkenoi | so it already had ssh |
| 19:18.36 | jaska | 9000 and 9000i were even earlier |
| 19:18.46 | Arkenoi | 9110 had telnet only, so i used s/key |
| 19:19.10 | Surfa | gaah.. so long time ago.. can't remember anymore.. and don't really care :) |
| 19:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | done that (accessing internet) ~11 years ago. CSD is the key term |
| 19:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | 9600Bd up/down |
| 19:19.54 | Arkenoi | yes |
| 19:19.56 | Arkenoi | me too |
| 19:19.57 | Surfa | whopee.. csd |
| 19:19.57 | jaska | and cost $$$$ |
| 19:20.02 | jaska | per minute :) |
| 19:20.03 | Arkenoi | from 9000i i started with |
| 19:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 19:20.07 | DrGrov | But seriously |
| 19:20.08 | DrGrov | PR 1.2? |
| 19:20.13 | Surfa | coming |
| 19:20.24 | jaska | drgrov: sometime before proton decay. |
| 19:20.26 | Arkenoi | $0.05/min |
| 19:20.27 | Surfa | wait a week or two or three or |
| 19:20.37 | DrGrov | How about connecting the N900 on a Ubuntu machine? Can I get out something nice of it? |
| 19:20.52 | trumee | guys anybody using ps3 sixaxis kernel. does it void the warranty? |
| 19:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | lolwut?? |
| 19:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I'm running a BS2000 on my N900 |
| 19:21.46 | jaska | mainframe? |
| 19:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | aka big iron |
| 19:22.14 | jacekowski | trumee: as long as you are not overclocking you are safe |
| 19:22.16 | Arkenoi | what is bs2000? |
| 19:22.21 | jaska | oh, bs2k actually runs on x86 |
| 19:22.28 | trumee | jacekowski: cool |
| 19:22.33 | jacekowski | trumee: in terms of hardware part of warranty |
| 19:22.33 | jaska | where has the world gone |
| 19:22.49 | jacekowski | trumee: if you fuck up software so much that it can't be flashed again |
| 19:22.59 | jacekowski | trumee: then you voided software side of warranty |
| 19:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 |
| 19:23.16 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: siemens? |
| 19:23.20 | jaska | well, as long as bootloader is there cant you reflash?:) |
| 19:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep, |
| 19:23.25 | jaska | or has that changed since n810 |
| 19:23.32 | jacekowski | jaska: you can |
| 19:23.44 | jaska | ok, so i dont need to worry much |
| 19:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | been hunted by siemens all my life |
| 19:23.51 | jacekowski | jaska: but some people might want to start screwing around with bootloader |
| 19:23.52 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i had a siemens pc-d and a MX2 or something |
| 19:24.03 | trumee | jacekowski: dont think i would bring it such a level. |
| 19:24.05 | Stskeeps | running SINIX |
| 19:24.29 | jaska | sinner |
| 19:24.35 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, natively? hercules? qemu? |
| 19:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | heh, I'm living next to Siemens-town |
| 19:24.50 | trumee | using sip calls over wifi when bluetooth is on is real crap |
| 19:25.16 | trumee | i have lost the fun of using bluetooth headset |
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| 19:25.31 | trumee | sip calls crap out |
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| 19:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: natively, just the swappable magnetic rigid disk stacks aren't supported yet ;-P |
| 19:25.57 | Arkenoi | :-)) |
| 19:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | and the punchcard reader |
| 19:26.21 | trumee | anybody using BH-214? |
| 19:26.44 | Surfa | trumee, surprised as wifi and bt are so close in freq range? |
| 19:27.07 | Surfa | their coexistence in general is quite tricky |
| 19:27.08 | trumee | Surfa: maybe that is the problem |
| 19:27.19 | Surfa | it is |
| 19:27.49 | trumee | Surfa: what if the channel of wifi is changed? |
| 19:28.01 | Surfa | doesn't really matter |
| 19:28.13 | Surfa | in devices radios take turns anyway |
| 19:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: on N900 BT/WLAN coexistence should work on a harware level afaik |
| 19:28.27 | trumee | Surfa: i dont have a problem listening to streaming music when using bluetooth. |
| 19:28.35 | frals | y |
| 19:28.37 | Surfa | antennas are so close so basically they can't work at the same time |
| 19:28.38 | frals | ops |
| 19:28.45 | RST38h | wazd: around? |
| 19:28.48 | Robot101 | it's the same antenna |
| 19:28.50 | trumee | Surfa: only have issue with sip calls |
| 19:28.56 | Robot101 | as DocScrutinizer says, the hw does it... |
| 19:28.56 | wazd | RST38h: sure :) |
| 19:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: there's just ONE antenna on N900 for BT & WLAN |
| 19:29.06 | lcuk | frals :p that was meant for console |
| 19:29.13 | flux | I had some issues with a BH-somesome and wlan streaming, but then they went away |
| 19:29.19 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, it's possible too |
| 19:29.27 | frals | lcuk: yepp ^^ |
| 19:29.30 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, some devices have separate |
| 19:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | not N900 though |
| 19:29.46 | trumee | flux: no streaming issues here. only sip calls have a problem |
| 19:29.47 | lcuk | frals, i do it randomly |
| 19:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: o/ |
| 19:30.02 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, doesn't make any difference anyway :) |
| 19:30.03 | flux | trumee, haven't tried SIP. |
| 19:30.07 | *** part/#maemo DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 19:30.16 | RST38h | wazd: Check out this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51405 |
| 19:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: yep. but hw-coexistence makes a lot of a difference |
| 19:30.38 | RST38h | wazd: Basically, whoever is currently hacking at Maemo Mapper is asking for icons |
| 19:30.46 | RST38h | (and yes, the current set is ugly like hell |
| 19:30.49 | wazd | RST38h: hah |
| 19:31.04 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, mm yes.. but their co existence is tricky anyway.. no matter what hw is :) |
| 19:31.12 | trumee | flux: sip calls stutter a lot |
| 19:31.15 | wazd | RST38h: ironicaly, I was thinking bout helping mapper with icons bymyself :D |
| 19:31.22 | wazd | RST38h: seriously :) |
| 19:31.24 | trumee | maybe i need to file a bug |
| 19:31.26 | RST38h | rotfls slightly |
| 19:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: aiui it's a rather simple time slice scheme |
| 19:31.55 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, yep.. but it's always about compromises who go first and who needs how much time |
| 19:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes, ack |
| 19:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | A2DP might bork WLAN |
| 19:32.20 | Surfa | and eventually it causes problems :( |
| 19:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | or vice versa |
| 19:32.55 | wazd | RST38h: cause I've started to use mapper 2 days ago :) |
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| 19:34.40 | Arkenoi | and still only google and osm predefined, no yandex |
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| 19:37.09 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: in the middle of the call if i disable bluetooth headset (by pressing headset button) the call is great. if i fesume bluetooth the stuttering starts |
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| 19:39.22 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: but music streaming over bluetooth is perfect |
| 19:39.38 | trumee | guess this is a bluetooth bug |
| 19:40.33 | trumee | wonders are bluez libs so buggy on the desktop as well! |
| 19:40.55 | Surfa | well |
| 19:41.14 | Surfa | music streaming may be buffered better than voip calls |
| 19:41.22 | flux | trumee, well, it remains to be considered if it is possible to make it work, given the protocols and hardware |
| 19:42.01 | trumee | Surfa: yup buffering could be an issue |
| 19:42.04 | Surfa | i don't think those two are comparable |
| 19:42.08 | flux | I guess someone with access to both wlan and bluetooth analyzers and a bunch of related knowledge could determine that :) |
| 19:42.28 | Surfa | i kind of have.. but not for maemo |
| 19:42.39 | Surfa | just a sophisticated guess |
| 19:42.45 | trumee | Surfa: i wouldnt mind a buffered sip call though :) |
| 19:42.56 | Surfa | yes you would :) |
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| 19:43.15 | flux | I was of course referring to actual hardware that can accurately store all what is happening, down to bluetooth/wlan collisions and retransmissions |
| 19:43.16 | Surfa | conversational class is pretty sensitive for delays |
| 19:43.29 | flux | (but perhaps you have acces to that) |
| 19:43.46 | MohammadAG_ | somewhere, something is leaking memory on my device |
| 19:44.09 | flux | mohammadag_, how do you figure? |
| 19:44.31 | trumee | Surfa: buffered is better than lot of atuttering |
| 19:44.32 | Surfa | flux, radio protocol buffering isn't very good solution there |
| 19:45.02 | Surfa | trumee, well.. depends on delays |
| 19:45.04 | flux | surfa, well, it could still just be a bug, and that radio-wise there are no issues in making that work |
| 19:45.53 | Surfa | flux, sure.. don't know details of course |
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| 19:49.06 | MohammadAG_ | flux, free memory is 5MBs |
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| 19:50.07 | flux | mohammadag_, as reported by.. ? |
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| 19:50.52 | mikhas | MohammadAG, what's the uptime? |
| 19:51.29 | GAN900 | I'm sorry |
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| 19:51.44 | GAN900 | But the Porsche Panamera has to be a joke. |
| 19:51.54 | Cabletwitch | Yo |
| 19:53.30 | pupnik | ruins the brand GAN900 just like that 4wd joke |
| 19:53.52 | Cabletwitch | Ahh, the expensive Toureg? |
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| 19:54.54 | pupnik | the brand / image has power by being a specialty mfgr |
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| 19:59.55 | Cabletwitch | Slightly less interesting question, but what file holds all the listings for the tracker? |
| 20:01.29 | SpeedEvil | It's in ~config/tracker/ IIRC |
| 20:01.53 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 20:01.59 | SpeedEvil | ~config/.cache |
| 20:02.07 | Cabletwitch | You can probably guess that I'm still going mental with this bloody phantom file business. |
| 20:02.42 | GAN900 | pupnik, ugh, the 997 Turbo |
| 20:02.56 | GAN900 | pupnik, how the hell can you make it AWD |
| 20:03.09 | GAN900 | The 959 was one thing, but damn. |
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| 20:04.34 | GAN900 | pupnik, the Cayenne actually bothers me less than this sedan. |
| 20:04.47 | Cabletwitch | Speed: When you guys give paths, where are you starting from? |
| 20:05.03 | SpeedEvil | ~ means home |
| 20:05.06 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 20:05.11 | SpeedEvil | I meant ~/.cache |
| 20:05.26 | SpeedEvil | ~ means /home/username |
| 20:05.31 | Cabletwitch | Right, understood. |
| 20:05.32 | SpeedEvil | for user - /home/user |
| 20:05.39 | Cabletwitch | Gotcha. |
| 20:05.40 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - tired. |
| 20:05.57 | SpeedEvil | Most everything after X comes up - runs as user |
| 20:06.32 | GAN900 | At least that's a market segment that hadn't really been filled. |
| 20:06.42 | GAN900 | But they're up against stuff like the M5 here. |
| 20:06.42 | Cabletwitch | Its ok, I'm using the GPE graphical file manager atm, makes it easier for me to explore. |
| 20:07.22 | Cabletwitch | Now... I'm going to guess its file-whaterver that holds the listings? |
| 20:07.37 | Cabletwitch | The other being email related. |
| 20:07.58 | SpeedEvil | I think so |
| 20:09.19 | Cabletwitch | Hard resetting the tracker doesnt remove these spurious entries, so I'm pondering manual removal of them instead. How can I stop the tracker to unlock the database files? |
| 20:10.01 | SpeedEvil | stop tracker |
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| 20:10.16 | Cabletwitch | Heh, easy enough. |
| 20:10.29 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no |
| 20:10.44 | Cabletwitch | Or not... unkown job |
| 20:10.49 | Cabletwitch | Unknown even |
| 20:11.16 | SpeedEvil | I think kill tracker will kill it dead - after you kill it three times |
| 20:11.31 | Cabletwitch | Ok, I'll give that a try. |
| 20:11.51 | Cabletwitch | bad pid tracker |
| 20:12.55 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.00 | Cabletwitch | Hmm... no process killed? |
| 20:14.11 | mikhas | you need to chain up Tracker in the basement |
| 20:14.22 | SpeedEvil | check it - and it shouldn't be running |
| 20:14.36 | Cabletwitch | I do. And beat it till it stops making my life hell. |
| 20:14.38 | mikhas | you could try modifying its config file, so that it wouldnt scan anything |
| 20:14.42 | mikhas | then restart |
| 20:14.50 | Cabletwitch | Seems to be dead. |
| 20:15.00 | mikhas | hides from the wrath of ivan |
| 20:15.26 | Cabletwitch | Files have been nuked. |
| 20:15.37 | Cabletwitch | Now, how do I restart it? |
| 20:15.42 | SpeedEvil | This stuff fucking needs manpages. |
| 20:15.43 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:15.49 | Cabletwitch | (This is all very useful, btw.) |
| 20:15.49 | SpeedEvil | same command - with start |
| 20:15.51 | SpeedEvil | (as user) |
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| 20:15.57 | SpeedEvil | you need to get with grep |
| 20:16.03 | mikhas | or just dont =p |
| 20:16.07 | SpeedEvil | grep -r string /etc |
| 20:16.15 | Cabletwitch | I need to not do this on the way to work. |
| 20:16.20 | SpeedEvil | Will answer much of this. |
| 20:16.22 | SpeedEvil | Oh :) |
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| 20:18.21 | Cabletwitch | I tend to poke about on irc when travelling, and thats when I remember to ask you guys things. |
| 20:18.28 | Cabletwitch | Looking good so far... |
| 20:18.58 | Cabletwitch | Might need to reboot. See you all in a while! |
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| 20:24.06 | Cabletwitch | Speed, you're a diamond :O) |
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| 20:24.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:24.57 | Cabletwitch | Seems to have nuked the issue good and proper. One of the db files was 34MB... an indication something was a bit wrong :O) |
| 20:25.10 | SpeedEvil | Regrettably I'm not otherwise I could sacrifice a toenail and have my financial worries sorted. |
| 20:25.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 20:27.25 | Cabletwitch | Ahh, you're valuable to this noob at least ,O) |
| 20:27.31 | Cabletwitch | ;O) even. |
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| 20:27.44 | Cabletwitch | Anyway, to work. Catch you later! |
| 20:27.56 | Gadgetoid_nc10 | Anyone use the OtterBox for N900? |
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| 20:35.31 | pupnik_ | sorry for a stupid question but i'm tired: how do i echo -n "" >> a file (to create a newline) ? |
| 20:35.36 | pupnik_ | in maemo5 /n900 |
| 20:36.31 | Gadgetoid_nc10 | pupnik_ vi ftw :D |
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| 20:36.38 | mikhas | pupnik_, echo -e "\n" ? |
| 20:36.55 | mikhas | or just cat |
| 20:37.10 | BCMM | pupnik_: do you mean put a newline in a file? |
| 20:37.29 | BCMM | pupnik_: just echo >> file should do that |
| 20:37.38 | pupnik_ | ty mikhas - that worked |
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| 20:37.55 | pupnik_ | dunno why echo wasn't giving me newlines |
| 20:38.10 | BCMM | if you need an empty line, as in two newlines, echo -e \\n >> file |
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| 20:41.39 | Arkenoi | thinks i will wait a few more days and install leakware then, my patience is out |
| 20:42.42 | MohammadAG_ | topic |
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| 20:43.30 | barisione | zaheerm: was it you asking for the facebook thing? |
| 20:43.33 | barisione | I published it: http://blog.barisione.org/2010-05/merge-back-your-facebook-contacts/ |
| 20:46.28 | zaheerm | barisione, awesome |
| 20:46.30 | zaheerm | thx |
| 20:46.59 | barisione | no problem, but if it eats all of your contacts or kill your kitten it's not my fault! |
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| 20:49.03 | zaheerm | ok i will take a backup :) |
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| 20:50.26 | zaheerm | no kittens alive here :( |
| 20:51.18 | MohammadAG_ | why oh why do people email my maintainer's address |
| 20:51.54 | timeless_mbp | why not? :) |
| 20:52.00 | timeless_mbp | if it's there, people will email it |
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| 21:10.20 | GAN900 | One heart for the brainstorm post. |
| 21:10.24 | GAN900 | You guys suck |
| 21:10.30 | Dima202 | ? |
| 21:10.35 | pupnik_ | link pls? |
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| 21:10.45 | GAN900 | How am I ever going to catch up to Jaffa and his mwkn whoring at this rate? |
| 21:11.18 | GAN900 | http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorming_maemo-org_2010/ |
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| 21:13.52 | pupnik_ | GAN900: my suggestion would be to delete unused stuff / stuff nobody wants to maintain |
| 21:14.08 | pupnik_ | i am getting kind of a crufty sense of things |
| 21:14.34 | GAN900 | pupnik_, yeah, I'd like to do that to most of GForge. |
| 21:14.40 | wazd | just rename maemo.org into meego.org and give it up |
| 21:14.51 | satmd | pointless comment |
| 21:14.53 | satmd | I do one, too |
| 21:14.54 | GAN900 | pupnik_, I keep planning to have a content deletion meeting. |
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| 21:15.05 | pupnik_ | please message me for that :) |
| 21:16.00 | pupnik_ | will have duct-tape on the quick-draw for the whiners |
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| 21:40.53 | FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 217.0M 6.7M 97% / |
| 21:40.56 | FIQ | sounds good |
| 21:41.11 | FIQ | should go and uninstall things i guess |
| 21:41.42 | MohammadAG_ | ubi0:rootfs 232868 192808 35780 84% / |
| 21:41.44 | MohammadAG_ | ha! |
| 21:41.59 | FIQ | meh |
| 21:42.17 | FIQ | hmm |
| 21:42.27 | MohammadAG_ | SDK repo enabled btw |
| 21:42.40 | FIQ | ;_; |
| 21:42.43 | FIQ | wait, what |
| 21:42.51 | FIQ | SDK repo enabled on phone? |
| 21:42.57 | MohammadAG_ | yes... |
| 21:42.59 | FIQ | wouldn't that break things? |
| 21:43.02 | MohammadAG_ | which is why i said ha! |
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| 21:43.05 | MohammadAG_ | it would |
| 21:43.23 | FIQ | anyway |
| 21:43.24 | MohammadAG_ | actually |
| 21:43.26 | MohammadAG_ | it should |
| 21:43.49 | FIQ | wouldn't it be possible to repartioning like 256 megs in the swap to the root? |
| 21:44.01 | FIQ | it's small and i never use 512meg swap anyway |
| 21:44.08 | MohammadAG_ | 768* |
| 21:44.23 | MohammadAG_ | move root to the eMMC, suffer with a slow system |
| 21:44.35 | MohammadAG_ | by move i don't mean using mv and ln -s |
| 21:44.36 | FIQ | hmm |
| 21:44.42 | N900evil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.46 | FIQ | lol |
| 21:44.57 | MohammadAG_ | OneNAND is 256 |
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| 21:45.10 | MohammadAG_ | move / to the eMMC, problem of low space solved |
| 21:45.23 | MohammadAG_ | problem of slownessness created |
| 21:45.24 | FIQ | my point is - shrinking swap to 0.5G and enlarging rootfs to 0.5G |
| 21:45.37 | FIQ | both of them sits on NAND iirc? |
| 21:45.46 | MohammadAG_ | no |
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| 21:45.55 | MohammadAG_ | Swap is also on the eMMC |
| 21:45.55 | FIQ | hmm, swap is on MMC? |
| 21:45.57 | FIQ | ok |
| 21:45.59 | MohammadAG_ | sadly |
| 21:46.10 | MohammadAG_ | if it wasn't on the eMMC wouldn't it be ram? |
| 21:46.16 | MohammadAG_ | also imo |
| 21:46.38 | MohammadAG_ | moving swap to the onenand might compensate for the slowness of running the device of the eMMC |
| 21:46.49 | MohammadAG_ | off* |
| 21:47.24 | johnsq | not using memory eater and using native application would also speed the things up. |
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| 21:49.21 | FIQ | how fast is emmc compared to sd? |
| 21:49.54 | mikhas | johnsq, =) |
| 21:50.17 | SpeedEvil | about the same speed |
| 21:50.22 | FIQ | ok |
| 21:51.05 | GAN900 | If only we had an Intel X18-M |
| 21:51.13 | GAN900 | Then all of our problems would be solved. |
| 21:51.24 | valdyn | whole io is slow in my sporadic tests, where the mmc is not even a bottlneck |
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| 21:53.53 | FIQ | a what? |
| 21:54.35 | valdyn | bottleneck |
| 21:55.20 | SpeedEvil | For all the devices - it's nonlinear write that is th enasty case. |
| 21:55.25 | SpeedEvil | how bad this is varies. |
| 21:55.25 | valdyn | but for the nand the n900 could be doing execute in place? I wouldnt know |
| 21:55.32 | SpeedEvil | valdyn: no |
| 21:55.40 | SpeedEvil | you can't do XIP with nand - generally |
| 21:55.49 | SpeedEvil | As it's got built-in errors. |
| 21:57.19 | valdyn | I see |
| 21:58.39 | FIQ | hmm |
| 21:58.57 | FIQ | i'm not a linux veteran even if i have some experience with it |
| 21:59.07 | FIQ | but this doesn't make sense for me |
| 21:59.18 | FIQ | rootfs 227.9M 217.7M 6.0M 97% / |
| 21:59.38 | FIQ | 227.9-217.7 != 6.0 |
| 21:59.47 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: 5% for / |
| 21:59.50 | SpeedEvil | for root |
| 22:00.00 | valdyn | FIQ: reserved space for root only |
| 22:00.02 | MohammadAG_ | /root* |
| 22:00.28 | FIQ | ok |
| 22:01.48 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:04.21 | FIQ | nokia should let users drop into a console (but still enable possibility to flash) drop into a console on errors. D: |
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| 22:04.30 | FIQ | iirc it just shows a nokia logo |
| 22:04.39 | MohammadAG_ | you can drop into a console |
| 22:04.47 | MohammadAG_ | compile a custom kernel |
| 22:04.52 | FIQ | lol dublette |
| 22:05.01 | MohammadAG_ | not really |
| 22:05.02 | FIQ | (yay my english) |
| 22:05.37 | FIQ | i meant "drop into a console (text) drop into a console" |
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| 22:05.44 | FIQ | ^ that one |
| 22:05.53 | SpeedEvil | there is a way to drop into a script if you start with keyboard open |
| 22:05.56 | SpeedEvil | then just do that |
| 22:06.06 | MohammadAG_ | script not console |
| 22:06.34 | SpeedEvil | script that opens console |
| 22:06.34 | FIQ | well, that's the thing bootmenu use i guess |
| 22:06.35 | FIQ | :p |
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| 22:27.38 | djkrikke | Hi guys, this week I always cancelled my phone calls by accident. Every time a person calls me, I need to get my n900 out of the case it is in, and by taking it out, I touch the red "reject" button _very_ often |
| 22:27.58 | djkrikke | isn't there any way to disable this button for "soft" touches, or just make something to slide to unlock? |
| 22:29.34 | thunderfest__ | there is a hardware slide lock |
| 22:29.49 | djkrikke | thunderfest__: what do you mean? |
| 22:30.11 | MohammadAG_ | what soft touches |
| 22:30.15 | lcuk | djkrikke, right hand side of device is a pysical hard slide lock |
| 22:30.21 | djkrikke | lcuk: I know |
| 22:30.31 | thunderfest__ | thats what I'm talking about |
| 22:30.32 | lcuk | ahh missed first line |
| 22:30.39 | MohammadAG_ | he was clearing up what thunderfest__ said |
| 22:31.15 | djkrikke | I have a small bag to put my n900 in, and when I open the take the bag and open it to get the phone out, I press answer/reject almost every time. That's really annoying |
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| 22:32.43 | djkrikke | seems like a lot of people are having these problems on the forum |
| 22:32.46 | djkrikke | " Same here - even in a pouch in my pocket I often end up cancelling a call while getting it out my pocket. " |
| 22:32.46 | Kegetys | there's a bug on that and brainstorm for slide buttons for answer etc. but afaik nokia has said they are idiots and aren't going to change it |
| 22:33.00 | Viliny_on_N900 | libqt4-core 462... where do you get that? |
| 22:33.45 | djkrikke | so there really isn't any solution already? |
| 22:34.16 | Kegetys | not that I know of, and the related components probably are closed source |
| 22:34.55 | djkrikke | reason is I'm really getting crazy from this dropped calls, I do have this phone as a mobile internet device, but as i can't answer calls, it's useless |
| 22:35.01 | lcuk | find the bugs.maemo.org bug relating to this issue if filed |
| 22:35.05 | Kegetys | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/actions_when_device_is_locked_and_a_event_like_aleart-alarm_or_call_happens/ |
| 22:35.09 | Kegetys | you can vote for it there |
| 22:35.18 | Arkenoi | btw why if you plug microUSB cable into any "USB charger", it does *not* charge? |
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| 22:35.37 | Viliny_on_N900 | anyone have a clue about libqt? really starting to find lots of apps depending on it |
| 22:35.44 | thunderfest | oh I see when a call comes in the screen unlocks even if it is hardware locked...sorry I just got my n900 yesterday and I'm still getting used to it |
| 22:35.59 | djkrikke | thunderfest: no problem, that's the case indeed |
| 22:36.30 | KMFDM | Viliny_on_N900, they are compiled for PR1.2 you ahve tow ait until its release |
| 22:36.44 | Kegetys | its quite silly to rely on the proximity sensor alone, in my winter coat when the phone is laying on its back in the pocket the proximity sensor doesnt trigger and I rejected/answered the call every time I poked my hand in the pocket |
| 22:37.18 | Viliny_on_N900 | kmfdm ok thank you... damn :/ |
| 22:37.22 | Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: there's a workaround. you can enable the SDK repo, install/update the new qt, then *disable* the SDK repo. don't update anything else or you'll break everything. |
| 22:37.38 | djkrikke | Kegetys: it is a littlebit stupid there is no other solution at this moment indeed |
| 22:37.43 | Viliny_on_N900 | rather not risk it then :p |
| 22:37.54 | Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: it's no problem if you only install qt |
| 22:38.17 | Viliny_on_N900 | ok :) |
| 22:38.29 | Viliny_on_N900 | details on repo? |
| 22:39.28 | Viliny_on_N900 | sdk free armel? |
| 22:40.36 | Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=654370&postcount=1 |
| 22:40.44 | Shapeshifter | Viliny_on_N900: read that carefully |
| 22:41.07 | thunderfest | I am just testing things out and I am surprised to find that most of my binaries compiled under the maemo 4 SDK run fine on my n900 without recompile to maemo 5 sdk |
| 22:41.41 | djkrikke | there is a guy on whirlpool forums telling there is a program to modify the behavior of the calls answering, delaying it or something, does such program exist? |
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| 22:47.14 | ds3 | 7 |
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| 22:52.32 | Termana | good morning |
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| 22:54.36 | thunderfest | <Termana> its well into the evening for me but good day to you |
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| 22:59.53 | Shapeshifter | ~ugt |
| 22:59.54 | infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 23:02.10 | thunderfest | shapesshifter: well I'm sorry for sharing that its dinner time around these parts. I won't do it again. |
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| 23:15.27 | thunderfest | 2.5G is not as slow as I thought it would be |
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| 23:15.50 | lcuk | thunderfest, for irc its pretty unnoticable |
| 23:16.35 | SpeedEvil | Unless you type really fast. |
| 23:17.20 | lcuk | sure SpeedEvil but thats rarely an issue |
| 23:17.31 | lcuk | unless you are GAN900 and can type at 900wps |
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| 23:18.19 | SpeedEvil | Yes, but not everyone can do 84 finger typing. :) |
| 23:18.44 | lcuk | only needs 38 ;) |
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| 23:50.24 | kdubois | is there a glade version that supports hildon widgets? |
| 23:55.23 | tripzero | doubtfully |
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| 23:57.52 | GAN900 | Trying to login to Midgard |
| 23:57.58 | GAN900 | to fix the stupid formatting issue and it wont freaking login |
