| 00:00.01 | kpoman | which is .... |
| 00:00.11 | kpoman | (still checking ... ) |
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| 00:01.24 | tuliobaars | hello people! |
| 00:01.48 | kpoman | javispedro: (no updates available) ! :( |
| 00:02.04 | javispedro | calls it a day with this driver |
| 00:02.08 | javispedro | gnite |
| 00:02.25 | tuliobaars | hey! i'm trying to install ubuntu 2.2 in my n810 |
| 00:02.39 | kamui | HI! |
| 00:02.40 | tuliobaars | but i cant umount my mmcblk0p1! Why? |
| 00:03.07 | tuliobaars | umount: cannot umount: device or resource busy |
| 00:03.12 | tuliobaars | pls HELP!!! |
| 00:03.22 | SpeedEvil | fuser -m /dev/whatever |
| 00:03.33 | kamui | or |
| 00:03.37 | kamui | rm -rf / |
| 00:03.44 | kamui | ok, not that |
| 00:03.50 | pigeon | too late |
| 00:03.57 | kpoman | oops |
| 00:04.04 | kpoman | javis, come back !!!! |
| 00:04.09 | kpoman | I wont bother you anymore :o :D |
| 00:04.12 | kpoman | lol |
| 00:04.32 | tuliobaars | sorry? i didn't understood |
| 00:04.32 | kpoman | too late yep |
| 00:04.47 | tuliobaars | why? people abandoned os2008? |
| 00:04.48 | kamui | koolio |
| 00:04.54 | B-man|N900 | starts disasembling hald-addon-bme |
| 00:04.55 | kpoman | I was bothering him, he ran away |
| 00:04.56 | tuliobaars | (crying) |
| 00:05.04 | kamui | dude, are you a woman |
| 00:05.07 | kamui | stop being som dramaticf |
| 00:05.21 | kamui | so dramatic |
| 00:05.25 | tuliobaars | what are you calling me, asshole |
| 00:05.47 | kamui | man, you go from extreme emotion to extreme emotion |
| 00:06.10 | kpoman | at least he is not a bot |
| 00:06.20 | kamui | didn't speed tell you what to try? |
| 00:06.40 | kamui | what are you getting all pissy for |
| 00:06.42 | kamui | go try it |
| 00:06.51 | kamui | close the process stopping you from unmounting, and move on |
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| 00:07.11 | kamui | aah, thats why |
| 00:07.15 | kamui | multiple personalities ;) |
| 00:07.30 | tuliobaars_ | lol |
| 00:07.35 | kamui | toolio |
| 00:07.38 | kamui | try what speed told you |
| 00:07.40 | tuliobaars_ | good one |
| 00:07.50 | kamui | will probably solve your simple issue |
| 00:07.55 | kpoman | lsof |
| 00:07.57 | kamui | or at least enable you to figure out your own answer |
| 00:07.58 | kpoman | fuser |
| 00:08.07 | tuliobaars_ | please, talk like a human being, pls |
| 00:08.10 | kamui | fuser fts |
| 00:08.23 | tuliobaars_ | just? |
| 00:08.25 | kamui | his emotions are taking over again |
| 00:08.59 | tuliobaars_ | o man, please, i'm just 14 old, |
| 00:09.02 | tuliobaars_ | so, take it easy |
| 00:09.14 | kamui | well in that case |
| 00:09.18 | kamui | run along and go play |
| 00:09.19 | kpoman | wow I think my device is rebooting after the upgrade ... i am dead :( |
| 00:09.21 | kamui | the adults are talking here |
| 00:09.58 | tuliobaars_ | you're so polite! |
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| 00:10.10 | kamui | shoot, he's on to me |
| 00:10.18 | kamui | better switch to plan B |
| 00:10.31 | kpoman | at least nokia logo is still there :s |
| 00:10.31 | kamui | as much as I'd like to keep playing wiht you, I have some work to do |
| 00:10.33 | kamui | good luck |
| 00:11.02 | kpoman | wowo the little hands too ! the sound ! |
| 00:11.04 | kpoman | wow |
| 00:11.08 | tuliobaars_ | ok, gentleman, go work...oh, are you a vigilant? it's 02:00 am here |
| 00:11.32 | lcuk | tuliobaars_, note, this is a worldwide chan :) |
| 00:11.40 | tuliobaars_ | good luck with your reflashing quest! |
| 00:11.45 | lcuk | and of course some people work at night |
| 00:11.46 | tuliobaars_ | i'm kidding, pls |
| 00:12.06 | lcuk | tuliobaars_, reboot your n810 |
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| 00:12.17 | kpoman | cool, it worked ! |
| 00:12.18 | lcuk | its the easiest way |
| 00:12.23 | kpoman | now my image works :P nice :p |
| 00:12.36 | lcuk | thats good you can come and fix mine now |
| 00:12.38 | tuliobaars_ | i've just tried it so many times, but thanks |
| 00:12.41 | tuliobaars_ | let's reboot... |
| 00:12.44 | lcuk | ok |
| 00:12.48 | kpoman | now check if it has free space :p |
| 00:12.50 | lcuk | which is the mmc thats duff? |
| 00:13.00 | tuliobaars_ | mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:13.07 | lcuk | is that the 2gb internal one? |
| 00:13.16 | kpoman | damned it still says there is no available space on it :( wtf |
| 00:13.19 | tuliobaars_ | yeah |
| 00:13.35 | tuliobaars_ | cannot umlount, device or resource busy |
| 00:13.43 | lcuk | tuliobaars_, its daft, usb still connected? |
| 00:13.58 | tuliobaars_ | no, lcuk |
| 00:14.11 | lcuk | ok, theres potentially some file system thingy |
| 00:14.14 | lcuk | fsck or something |
| 00:14.25 | lcuk | but i dunnot the syntax or if it will work |
| 00:14.34 | lcuk | waves hands - linuxy stuff |
| 00:14.39 | tuliobaars_ | like the dblet image? |
| 00:14.59 | lcuk | no a command to try and repair filesystem |
| 00:15.08 | MohammadAG | fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:15.13 | MohammadAG | -a for auto |
| 00:15.18 | lcuk | see, i knew someone would know |
| 00:15.20 | MohammadAG | switches back to CoD |
| 00:15.21 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:15.21 | lcuk | ta mo |
| 00:15.25 | kamui | woah |
| 00:15.30 | MohammadAG | anytime :) |
| 00:15.36 | tuliobaars_ | please, go a litle slowly! |
| 00:15.36 | kamui | shouldn't he unmount the partition before fsck'ing it |
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| 00:15.58 | tuliobaars_ | i'm root. and now? |
| 00:15.58 | lcuk | i dunno :$ |
| 00:16.08 | lcuk | fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 ?? |
| 00:16.10 | lcuk | i think |
| 00:16.11 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:16.13 | lcuk | without the ?? |
| 00:16.14 | kamui | fsck can be destructive if run on a live partition |
| 00:16.22 | lcuk | he cant mount it |
| 00:16.38 | lcuk | or its unmount? |
| 00:16.40 | tuliobaars_ | ohoh, i love my tablet alive... |
| 00:17.02 | tuliobaars_ | i'm trying to do that: umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 ,312,C ,200,S ,,L ,, |
| 00:17.02 | lcuk | what did you do to break it |
| 00:17.19 | lcuk | o_O |
| 00:17.20 | tuliobaars_ | nothing, i'm just saying |
| 00:17.21 | lcuk | ahh |
| 00:17.28 | tuliobaars_ | sorry |
| 00:17.30 | kamui | yea |
| 00:17.31 | kamui | he can't |
| 00:17.37 | lcuk | thats not even the same thing, disregard me |
| 00:17.38 | tuliobaars_ | so, fsck? |
| 00:17.44 | kamui | he asked to fuser / part |
| 00:17.56 | kamui | to see what was using the resource |
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| 00:18.34 | tuliobaars_ | so, fsck , should i try? fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? |
| 00:18.42 | kamui | fuser -m /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:18.53 | kamui | see if any pids are returned |
| 00:18.58 | kamui | if so, thats why you can't unmount it |
| 00:19.22 | tuliobaars_ | a lot of numbbers |
| 00:19.25 | kamui | tuliobaars_, |
| 00:19.29 | kamui | every one of those |
| 00:19.33 | kamui | is a process |
| 00:19.38 | kamui | that has some open files on that partition |
| 00:19.41 | kamui | you can kill them all |
| 00:19.41 | Termana | tuliobaars_, you didn't use that command on one line did you? |
| 00:19.46 | kamui | which would propbably bring down your system |
| 00:19.46 | Termana | <tuliobaars_> i'm trying to do that: umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 ,312,C ,200,S ,,L ,, |
| 00:20.05 | tuliobaars_ | fsck? i'm afraid of using it |
| 00:20.07 | kamui | but I would at least check and see what they are |
| 00:20.09 | Termana | you need to have it on two separate commands |
| 00:20.37 | tuliobaars_ | im so noob in your's side!!! |
| 00:21.04 | kamui | dude |
| 00:21.04 | tuliobaars_ | so, fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 , correct? |
| 00:21.06 | kamui | Im not following |
| 00:21.10 | kamui | why would he be using sfdisk |
| 00:21.25 | Termana | kamui, change the partition table? |
| 00:21.28 | kamui | does that specific flag force an unmount |
| 00:21.40 | kamui | termana, maybe we're talking about two different things |
| 00:21.46 | lcuk | tuliobaars_, no |
| 00:21.56 | lcuk | not fsck, i thought you were having a problem mounting it |
| 00:22.04 | lcuk | not a problem umounting it |
| 00:22.04 | kamui | he wants to unmount it |
| 00:22.09 | kamui | he finally did the fuser |
| 00:22.16 | tuliobaars_ | yep |
| 00:22.20 | kamui | and found a ton of pids using resources on the disk as was suspected by speedevil |
| 00:22.23 | lcuk | indeed, just making sure |
| 00:22.25 | kamui | he has to kill those pids |
| 00:22.29 | kamui | or at least figure out what they are |
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| 00:22.33 | Termana | tuliobaars_, why are you doing sfdisk if your trying to just unmount it? |
| 00:22.40 | kamui | problem is, as I expected, they probably do that at boot time |
| 00:22.44 | kamui | so rebooting isn't gonna help him |
| 00:22.50 | tuliobaars_ | pls, wait, i've to reboot, ok? my pc? can i? |
| 00:22.58 | kamui | Im not real familiar wiht the original N800, but doesn't it use the 2gig partition to hold the system? |
| 00:23.04 | tuliobaars_ | stop for a little bit the conversation? |
| 00:23.23 | Termana | tuliobaars_, yes reboot your pc we'll still be here |
| 00:23.27 | Termana | most likely anyway |
| 00:23.40 | kamui | so it would be like trying to unmount root on a live system with stuff running |
| 00:23.47 | tuliobaars_ | thanks |
| 00:23.51 | B-man|N900 | hald-addon-bme dis, hex, string, and elf dumps are now up on http://b-man.xceleo.org :) |
| 00:23.55 | tuliobaars_ | yes, kmui |
| 00:24.10 | B-man|N900 | * http://b-man.xceleo.org/files |
| 00:24.27 | tuliobaars_ | why this link? |
| 00:25.00 | tuliobaars_ | here i am again |
| 00:25.03 | tuliobaars_ | i'm not going to reboot |
| 00:25.13 | Termana | tuliobaars_, do me a favour |
| 00:25.13 | B-man|N900 | reverse engineering bme |
| 00:25.20 | Termana | tuliobaars_, your root on your device right |
| 00:25.33 | tuliobaars_ | yep |
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| 00:25.56 | Termana | tuliobaars_, so when your in the terminal, your commands are prefixed with a hash right (#) |
| 00:26.19 | tuliobaars_ | yep, so i typed su |
| 00:26.23 | tuliobaars_ | to get more privileges |
| 00:26.41 | tuliobaars_ | i wanna install xubuntu i my n810. |
| 00:26.47 | Termana | tuliobaars_, now type umount -l /media/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:26.59 | Termana | err |
| 00:27.03 | tuliobaars_ | it isn't /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? |
| 00:27.05 | Termana | /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:27.08 | Termana | yes sorry :P |
| 00:27.18 | Termana | umount -l /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:27.22 | MohammadAG | or -f and force it |
| 00:27.34 | MohammadAG | not recommended |
| 00:28.03 | MohammadAG | I'm off |
| 00:28.14 | tuliobaars_ | oh, i think it works |
| 00:28.24 | tuliobaars_ | it jumps the line, its correct |
| 00:28.37 | MohammadAG | yes, it's not verbose by default |
| 00:29.01 | MohammadAG | what's the cleanest way of exiting less or man? |
| 00:29.03 | Termana | You shouldn't use -l on all unmounts btw :P but it got you past it this time |
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| 00:29.14 | Termana | MohammadAG, Ctrl + C? |
| 00:29.17 | tuliobaars_ | so, i typed sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 00:29.19 | MohammadAG | not really |
| 00:29.34 | kamui | q |
| 00:29.39 | MohammadAG | I use CTRL+Z, but that's not that doesn't seem to allow the process to terminate |
| 00:29.43 | tuliobaars_ | i'm folloing the tutorial |
| 00:29.48 | kamui | MohammadAG, |
| 00:29.51 | MohammadAG | meh, so easy |
| 00:29.51 | kamui | doesn't Q work for you |
| 00:29.56 | MohammadAG | yeah just tried it |
| 00:29.58 | tuliobaars_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735 |
| 00:30.10 | MohammadAG | never expected it to use letters |
| 00:30.12 | kamui | lols |
| 00:30.15 | Termana | MohammadAG, yes, Ctrl + Z just stops it displaying to the terminal. Ctrl + C will kill the process |
| 00:30.16 | kamui | yea, I know what you mean |
| 00:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head on madness about a silly thing like umount going on here |
| 00:30.22 | kamui | ctrl-z just suspends |
| 00:30.24 | kamui | iirc |
| 00:30.29 | kamui | fg to return the pid |
| 00:30.33 | kamui | or bg to run it in the background |
| 00:30.37 | kamui | either way it doesn't kill the process |
| 00:30.58 | MohammadAG | Termana, so it's actually running in the background? |
| 00:31.13 | MohammadAG | that's a memory 'leak' plugged then |
| 00:31.13 | kamui | well, if you use ctrl-z its paused in the background |
| 00:31.20 | kamui | ctrl-c kills it |
| 00:31.20 | MohammadAG | hands DocScrutinizer his coffee |
| 00:31.34 | Termana | MohammadAG, with Ctrl + Z? I don't know, kamui is probably right, it probably suspends the process |
| 00:31.40 | Termana | Ctrl + C |
| 00:31.42 | Termana | rather |
| 00:31.49 | MohammadAG | MohammadAG-N900:~# ls /dev/ | less |
| 00:31.50 | MohammadAG | [4] + Stopped ls /dev/ | less |
| 00:31.50 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | desperately needed, short on coffee |
| 00:31.55 | tuliobaars_ | what I hae o , peolpe? |
| 00:31.56 | Termana | Can I have one of those coffees? :P |
| 00:32.11 | MohammadAG | sorry, giving out bacon now |
| 00:32.18 | MohammadAG | waits for it |
| 00:32.24 | tuliobaars_ | so, what I have to do, people? |
| 00:32.36 | kamui | MohammadAG, yea, now type fg to restore it |
| 00:32.38 | MohammadAG | abill_uk was unbanned, shortest ban I've seen |
| 00:32.38 | tuliobaars_ | sfdisk doesn't work too |
| 00:32.44 | kamui | or fg PID if you suspend many apps |
| 00:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | tuliobaars_: please first post ourput of 'mount' |
| 00:33.04 | MohammadAG | kamui, it gets reloaded |
| 00:33.09 | tuliobaars_ | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 00:33.17 | kamui | MohammadAG, yea it just resumes it |
| 00:33.23 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 00:33.24 | kamui | so you don't have a crapload of background suspended pids |
| 00:33.30 | Termana | tuliobaars_, what does the tutorial tell you to do? |
| 00:33.30 | tuliobaars_ | sfdisk doesn't work |
| 00:33.31 | kamui | kill it with the correct quit command or ctrl-c |
| 00:33.32 | MohammadAG | why are you repartitioning mmcblk0 |
| 00:33.37 | tuliobaars_ | sfdisk |
| 00:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | tuliobaars_: this line of yours is BS, sorry |
| 00:33.43 | MohammadAG | WHY, not how |
| 00:33.50 | tuliobaars_ | what is BS? |
| 00:33.55 | MohammadAG | bullshit |
| 00:34.00 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | missing at least a ";" |
| 00:34.04 | kamui | man, you really are 14 |
| 00:34.08 | kamui | :-D |
| 00:34.09 | tuliobaars_ | thanks |
| 00:34.13 | MohammadAG | 16* :P |
| 00:34.14 | tuliobaars_ | yeah |
| 00:34.24 | tuliobaars_ | 14 |
| 00:34.26 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, no he just added the second command to the line to show he had done both commands I think |
| 00:34.27 | tuliobaars_ | 13, but 14 in june |
| 00:34.27 | MohammadAG | oh, him |
| 00:34.31 | kamui | man you youngins are lucky |
| 00:34.39 | kamui | I didn't have great tech until I turned 18 and got a job |
| 00:34.39 | MohammadAG | nope, I missed out on the N810 times |
| 00:34.49 | kamui | a decade ago |
| 00:34.50 | haltdef | haha |
| 00:34.55 | kamui | sup haltdef |
| 00:34.55 | tuliobaars_ | how old are you, kamui? |
| 00:34.57 | haltdef | got my n900 with my first paycheck :P |
| 00:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: if the first throws error, what's sense of trying 2nd (sfdisk)? |
| 00:35.06 | kamui | tuliobaars_, do the math, 18 + a decade |
| 00:35.10 | MohammadAG | 180 |
| 00:35.11 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:35.12 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, he said the first worked |
| 00:35.18 | kamui | 181.5 |
| 00:35.20 | kamui | actually |
| 00:35.26 | MohammadAG | makes sense |
| 00:35.28 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, scroll up :P |
| 00:35.28 | tuliobaars_ | sorry, i not saw it |
| 00:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: [2010-05-18 02:32:54] <DocScrutinizer> tuliobaars_: please first post ourput of 'mount' |
| 00:35.56 | tuliobaars_ | umount had worked! |
| 00:36.06 | Termana | <tuliobaars_> oh, i think it works |
| 00:36.06 | Termana | <tuliobaars_> it jumps the line, its correct |
| 00:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | tuliobaars_: [2010-05-18 02:32:54] <DocScrutinizer> tuliobaars_: please first post ourput of 'mount' |
| 00:36.14 | tuliobaars_ | i'm triyng to make the sfdisk work |
| 00:36.15 | kamui | yea, but he wants to see whats actoually mounted |
| 00:36.16 | kamui | jeez |
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| 00:36.19 | kamui | you have to start listening man |
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| 00:36.25 | kamui | just type mount and paste the output |
| 00:36.28 | MohammadAG | Maemo disrupts my sleep |
| 00:36.34 | kamui | MohammadAG, me too |
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| 00:36.39 | tuliobaars_ | i don't know what is he saying! |
| 00:36.40 | kamui | I lust after this os |
| 00:36.41 | MohammadAG | Tue May 18 03:36:49 IDT 2010 |
| 00:36.50 | tuliobaars_ | i'm not an english andvanced teacher |
| 00:36.57 | Termana | kamui, wtf are you talking about - he wants to repartition his SD card, not see whats mounted |
| 00:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | sighs and goes back to some less demanding stuff |
| 00:37.07 | kamui | termana, DOC wants to see |
| 00:37.08 | tuliobaars_ | sorry |
| 00:37.08 | MohammadAG | gives DocScrutinizer another cup of coffee |
| 00:37.16 | kamui | if iit was ACTUALLY unmounted! |
| 00:37.22 | kamui | don't make me exclaim you jerks |
| 00:37.32 | MohammadAG | ! |
| 00:37.33 | Termana | kamui, EXCLAIM |
| 00:37.35 | kamui | also goes back to something less challenging |
| 00:37.43 | tuliobaars_ | it worked! just the mmcblk1p1 is shoowed |
| 00:37.49 | kamui | Im going outside to smoke a cuban |
| 00:37.58 | MohammadAG | tuliobaars_, which device are you on exactly? |
| 00:38.02 | tuliobaars_ | sorry for the stupidy, |
| 00:38.05 | tuliobaars_ | N810 |
| 00:38.12 | MohammadAG | Oh |
| 00:38.21 | MohammadAG | thought you were repartitioning the eMMC on the N900 |
| 00:38.29 | tuliobaars_ | anunakin is form my country! (i little of patriotism) |
| 00:38.45 | tuliobaars_ | no, i can't afford that (yet) |
| 00:38.57 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.04 | kamui | now if we could put this kind of collaborative effort into porting a proper image display app |
| 00:39.26 | kamui | 10 bucks says he could have accomplished his goal with a chroot mount |
| 00:39.36 | kamui | and that the last 30 minutes were a waste of time |
| 00:39.37 | MohammadAG | I was porting cups, but it threw an error while making and I rm -rf'd the working directory |
| 00:39.53 | kamui | ha ha, sounds like me and like 30 projects MohammadAG |
| 00:39.54 | MohammadAG | yeah I give up too easily sometimes |
| 00:40.00 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:40.01 | kamui | lol me too |
| 00:40.04 | kamui | unless I REALLY want it |
| 00:40.05 | kamui | like blender |
| 00:40.21 | tuliobaars_ | -f worked for me |
| 00:40.33 | tuliobaars_ | shoud i reboot after this? |
| 00:40.39 | kamui | well |
| 00:40.44 | MohammadAG | wouldn't that remount? |
| 00:40.45 | kamui | your mount table hasn't been altered |
| 00:40.50 | kamui | so that would undo all you went through |
| 00:40.54 | kamui | up till this point |
| 00:40.56 | tuliobaars_ | xubuntu fits on the 2GB internal n80 card? |
| 00:41.00 | kamui | please, what was the point of all this |
| 00:41.11 | Termana | kamui, which was what? unmount his sd card :P |
| 00:41.17 | kamui | yes |
| 00:41.22 | MohammadAG | mount loop /dev/kamui /dev/null |
| 00:41.25 | kamui | and then mount the alternate device |
| 00:41.33 | Termana | "all you went through" - AKA not much |
| 00:41.38 | tuliobaars_ | i umunted and partiotined, i reboot or no ? |
| 00:41.55 | MohammadAG | why |
| 00:41.55 | Termana | tuliobaars_, what does the tutorial say to do after you have partitioned |
| 00:41.58 | kamui | maybe you and I haven't been watching the same last 30 minutes |
| 00:42.01 | kamui | when did he repartition |
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| 00:42.07 | MohammadAG | no idea |
| 00:42.09 | kamui | oh well, you guys have this |
| 00:42.11 | Termana | kamui, obviously you just haven't been watching |
| 00:42.13 | kamui | it was entertaining |
| 00:42.14 | Termana | :P |
| 00:42.19 | tuliobaars_ | reboot, but some people are saynd to no! |
| 00:42.22 | kamui | termana, I drifted in and out |
| 00:42.29 | tuliobaars_ | sorry! |
| 00:42.33 | Termana | tuliobaars_, link me to the tutorial |
| 00:42.49 | tuliobaars_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735 |
| 00:43.37 | Termana | tuliobaars_, your under step 1 |
| 00:43.41 | tuliobaars_ | but, i have not an 4GB+ sd card, so i planned to install xubuntu in place of ubuntu |
| 00:43.43 | Termana | It says nothing about rebooting |
| 00:44.01 | tuliobaars_ | now i am in step 2 |
| 00:44.30 | Termana | tuliobaars_, give me the output of typing mount |
| 00:44.56 | Termana | actually nevermind that |
| 00:45.02 | Termana | reboot it |
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| 00:45.54 | tuliobaars_ | dev/mmcblk0p1 and 1p1 |
| 00:46.07 | tuliobaars_ | mmc1 and mmc2, |
| 00:46.15 | Termana | tuliobaars_, reboot the device |
| 00:46.22 | tuliobaars_ | so the partiotion doesn't work? |
| 00:46.27 | tuliobaars_ | i've rebooted |
| 00:46.29 | Termana | ok |
| 00:46.36 | Termana | tuliobaars_, as root type this |
| 00:46.41 | Termana | cd /dev |
| 00:46.48 | Termana | and then |
| 00:46.57 | tuliobaars_ | ls? |
| 00:46.58 | Termana | ls -la | grep mmcblk |
| 00:47.08 | MohammadAG | or ls mmcblk* |
| 00:47.16 | MohammadAG | doesn't really matter |
| 00:47.45 | tuliobaars_ | it opened a lot of things! |
| 00:47.53 | Termana | opened a lot of things? |
| 00:48.03 | tuliobaars_ | a lot of results |
| 00:48.07 | Termana | do you mean it DISPLAYED a lot of things |
| 00:48.09 | tuliobaars_ | blk0 |
| 00:48.15 | tuliobaars_ | blk0p1... |
| 00:48.22 | tuliobaars_ | blk1p3 |
| 00:48.28 | tuliobaars_ | blk1 |
| 00:48.32 | tuliobaars_ | blk1p2 |
| 00:48.36 | tuliobaars_ | blk1p1 |
| 00:49.08 | MohammadAG | weird arrangement |
| 00:49.12 | tuliobaars_ | sorry, my english is worst than my computer skills.... |
| 00:49.24 | tuliobaars_ | (yep, it can be) |
| 00:49.27 | Termana | tuliobaars_, theres no blk0p2 |
| 00:49.31 | Termana | ? |
| 00:49.39 | tuliobaars_ | no |
| 00:49.42 | Macer | i never knew |
| 00:49.45 | Macer | that mako died |
| 00:49.48 | Macer | :'( |
| 00:50.11 | Termana | tuliobaars_, when you did sfdisk did you do it to /dev/mmcblk0 or /dev/mmcblk1 ? |
| 00:50.31 | Termana | It looks like you did it to blk1 |
| 00:50.43 | tuliobaars_ | blk0 |
| 00:50.55 | tuliobaars_ | likein the tutorial |
| 00:51.18 | Termana | tuliobaars_, can I ask a question |
| 00:51.24 | tuliobaars_ | sure |
| 00:51.25 | Termana | how big is your SD Card? |
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| 00:51.44 | tuliobaars_ | 2GB internal 2GB external |
| 00:52.06 | tuliobaars_ | im looking for a bigger, but i can't afford that in moment |
| 00:52.35 | MohammadAG | anyways I'm off |
| 00:52.37 | Termana | tuliobaars_, 2GB internal... don't you have an n810? I wouldn't be playing with the partitioning of the n810s internal card |
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| 00:52.49 | tuliobaars_ | why? |
| 00:52.51 | Termana | or rather eMMC |
| 00:53.28 | tuliobaars_ | i've cloned to internal and afetr to external, whares the problem? (cloned the os) |
| 00:54.05 | Termana | tuliobaars_, an external card you can always fix with a computer or just replace - you can't fix/replace the eMMC if you end up in a state where you partitioned wrong and can't fix it etc. |
| 00:55.07 | tuliobaars_ | oh...but...neither on gparted? |
| 00:55.47 | tuliobaars_ | that's not good.... |
| 00:56.02 | Termana | Well, I mean it could probably be fixed by someone that knows what they are doing. But, you said you have low computer skills |
| 00:56.14 | tuliobaars_ | but in the tutorial whas the intenal |
| 00:56.20 | kpoman | guys do you know how to enlarge debian-squeeze.img.ext2 ? |
| 00:56.59 | kpoman | I already ran resize2fs and updated busybox ... now it is 4GB long ... however when i chroot to it is still says same size as before ... do I need to make something notify that fs ? |
| 00:57.01 | kpoman | or what ? |
| 00:57.02 | tuliobaars_ | but i know how to falsh the kernel, how to install a rootfs....that is enough? |
| 00:57.11 | Termana | tuliobaars_, right, but I think the tutorial was made with the n800 in mind and probably with people with intermediate computer knowledge in mind |
| 00:57.26 | Termana | either way, I will have to throttle B-man|N900 :P |
| 00:58.00 | tuliobaars_ | i'm completly responsably for waht i doing |
| 00:58.33 | tuliobaars_ | if i brick it, it's my fault. But thanks for the care, Termana |
| 00:58.53 | tuliobaars_ | Termana, how should i continue this? |
| 00:59.12 | Termana | tuliobaars_, start from the start - root up, and follow exactly what the tutorial tells you |
| 00:59.45 | Termana | Forget everything we told you to do so far - tell us if you have the issue again |
| 00:59.50 | Termana | But follow the tutorial |
| 01:00.37 | tuliobaars_ | ok |
| 01:00.40 | tuliobaars_ | thanks |
| 01:00.43 | tuliobaars_ | a lot |
| 01:00.55 | Termana | Just do a plain unmount rather than a force unmount or lazy unmount (so just do umount /dev/mmcblk0p1) at the start of the tutorial |
| 01:01.05 | Termana | if it comes with any errors messages, I'm still here for a while :P |
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| 01:02.40 | tuliobaars_ | so people, thanks for the help, i have go to sleep! You're better than the maemo forum |
| 01:03.08 | Termana | good night tuliobaars_ |
| 01:03.13 | tuliobaars_ | around 2:00pm GMT i will be here again |
| 01:03.15 | tuliobaars_ | thanks |
| 01:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-18 02:44:30] <Termana> tuliobaars_, give me the output of typing mount |
| 01:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA |
| 01:03.30 | tuliobaars_ | Good night people (or afternoon |
| 01:03.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, shut up you :P |
| 01:03.39 | tuliobaars_ | bye |
| 01:03.46 | tuliobaars_ | thanks termana |
| 01:03.53 | Termana | pokes DocScrutinizer with a stick |
| 01:04.14 | tuliobaars_ | hehe, buye bye |
| 01:05.28 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, think he scared you all away. I guess the half hour before I came of unmounting probably didn't help that |
| 01:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually it was him who scared me away the very least |
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| 01:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | it was 20 mad nerds jumping in with ever more brillinat advice that scared me away |
| 01:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | "ooh, unmount?! thought it was mount that failed" "fsck, fsck, FSCK!!" |
| 01:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | just missing somebody says "eboot!" |
| 01:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | reboot even |
| 01:12.03 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, just for interests say, I don't think that was 20 mad nerds that said the first two statements. |
| 01:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | ooh wait, somebody actually did |
| 01:12.09 | Termana | I think that was just lcuk |
| 01:12.10 | Termana | :P |
| 01:12.20 | Termana | sake* |
| 01:13.16 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, right, I told him to reboot when he said he finished partitioning. A) The tutorial said to do it B) If he partitioned right blk0p2 and blk0p3 should have shown up after a reboot |
| 01:13.47 | Termana | If someone said it in another context, maybe it was an ex-Windows administrator? |
| 01:14.08 | Termana | :P |
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| 01:20.12 | lcuk | did say those things |
| 01:20.24 | lcuk | hangs head in shame and goes to bed |
| 01:21.25 | pigeon | that's weird... why is my vertsms starts up at portrait, but then it switches back to landscape, even i have the phone hold portrait? |
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| 01:25.37 | SpeedEvil | http://blogs.igalia.com/vjaquez/2010/05/17/my-dsp-related-activities/ |
| 01:25.40 | SpeedEvil | oooh - cool! |
| 01:25.52 | SpeedEvil | excersizes his thumb. |
| 01:26.33 | SpeedEvil | It's thumbs down to let the poster live? |
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| 01:35.44 | kamui | hugs lcuk |
| 01:35.55 | kamui | don't worry lcuk I was there to catch you :-D |
| 01:41.30 | Macer | haha |
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| 01:49.08 | oahubill | so, i made an app, and installed it on my phone. is there any reason why the app would show up in the scratchbox, but not on the screen on an actual phone? |
| 01:50.33 | asjWrk | oahubill: yes |
| 01:51.11 | oahubill | to clarify, i installed it successfully, and get proper terminal output. the gtk window i made is not showing up |
| 01:52.18 | SpeedEvil | does it complain about not being able to open the terminal? |
| 01:52.28 | SpeedEvil | I would try DISPLAY=mydesktop:0 |
| 01:52.35 | SpeedEvil | and see if it showed up on that |
| 01:52.48 | b-man|GFT | usally 0:0 |
| 01:52.55 | asjWrk | or run-standalone |
| 01:52.59 | SpeedEvil | yes, that |
| 01:53.18 | b-man|GFT | (at least for me) |
| 01:53.40 | oahubill | ill try those |
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| 01:56.07 | oahubill | well, neither of those DISPLAY variables worked for me |
| 01:57.51 | oahubill | SpeedEvil: it doesnt complain about not being able to open the terminal... |
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| 01:58.18 | b-man|GFT | do you have xephyr up and running? |
| 01:58.45 | oahubill | well, it works in xephyr. it doesnt work on the phone |
| 01:59.30 | b-man|GFT | hmm |
| 02:00.13 | pigeon | does anyone know what that webcam and camera icon app is? http://www.techhail.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Load-applet-for-Maemo-Mobiles.png |
| 02:00.23 | b-man|GFT | havemyou tried running it directly on the phone without scratchbox? |
| 02:00.31 | b-man|GFT | * have you |
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| 02:01.27 | oahubill | i'm using a hildon_window, not a hildon_stackable_window, could that have an effect? |
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| 02:02.14 | b-man|GFT | i don't think it should |
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| 02:05.07 | hajmola | is there any way to use the n900 as an external display? |
| 02:05.44 | b-man|GFT | oahubill: could you show me the output directly via pastebin? |
| 02:06.33 | SpeedEvil | hajmola: yes - I've had desktop firefox showing ont he display |
| 02:06.37 | oahubill | the output of? |
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| 02:08.48 | hajmola | SpeedEvil, I mean, i can ssh -X and run firefox from my desktop, but is there a way i can run a program from my desktop but tell it to display on the n900 |
| 02:09.03 | hajmola | so I don't have to actually use the n900 |
| 02:09.08 | hajmola | 's keyboard |
| 02:09.50 | oahubill | b-man|GFT: i am trying to run it directly on the phone. the app works in scratchbox |
| 02:11.12 | b-man|GFT | hmm |
| 02:11.57 | SpeedEvil | unsure, never tried that. |
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| 02:29.34 | oahubill | well, maybe i'll throw an email out on the dev lists, see if anyone has an idea |
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| 02:42.47 | kamui | hajmola: try Xdmx |
| 02:44.46 | kamui | I don't know if it requires xdmx on both the pc and the n900, but IIRc It only required xdmx on your desktop and can use other network displays with appropriate remote client permissions |
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| 02:45.06 | dmj726 | kamui: how's the gles wrapper going? |
| 02:45.15 | kamui | I've only seen it in action, so I can't say for sure, but its probably worth a look if you REALLY want to span your deskspace onto the N900 |
| 02:45.21 | kamui | dmj726, totally stopped |
| 02:45.30 | pigeon | i haven't tried, but i assume if you disable the nolisten on tcp on the n900's Xorg, then you could just set DISPLAY= |
| 02:45.34 | dmj726 | that's too bad |
| 02:45.37 | kamui | I just hit a wall |
| 02:45.40 | kamui | its not OVER |
| 02:45.50 | kamui | I just have to go back and learn some basic shit before I can proceed |
| 02:45.54 | dmj726 | okay |
| 02:45.57 | kamui | opengl isn't very hard I've learend |
| 02:45.58 | kamui | learned |
| 02:46.15 | kamui | but Im not at the point yet where I can write the wrapper |
| 02:46.39 | kamui | right now, my code has dozens of errors and Im now learning what Im missing in the aPi |
| 02:46.45 | kamui | not as easy as I had hoped |
| 02:46.45 | dmj726 | has been quite excited about your work, so please forgive my inquisitiveness |
| 02:47.01 | kamui | no need to be apologetic, Im excited too |
| 02:47.14 | kamui | I figure if I pull it off before anyone else, Ill be forever imortalized :-D |
| 02:47.24 | dmj726 | Don't worry, you will be! |
| 02:48.00 | dmj726 | Have you seen the Durian trailer? |
| 02:48.37 | kamui | no |
| 02:48.53 | dmj726 | http://durian.blender.org/news/sintel-teaser/ |
| 02:49.04 | dmj726 | a worthwhile minute of your time |
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| 02:50.12 | kamui | made in blender? |
| 02:50.14 | kamui | alone? |
| 02:50.15 | kamui | wow |
| 02:50.36 | dmj726 | yep |
| 02:50.48 | dmj726 | It's the Blender Foundation's current project |
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| 02:52.06 | kamui | ok brudda, Its about time for me to be hitting the ol' dusty trail |
| 02:52.10 | kamui | and get my ass to bed :) |
| 02:52.35 | dmj726 | okay...I'm pretty impressed by the trailer too. |
| 02:52.42 | dmj726 | ...and they have 2 more months! |
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| 02:56.28 | kpoman | again me |
| 02:56.42 | kpoman | can someone help me a little bit please ? |
| 02:56.53 | kpoman | it is about easy debian thing |
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| 02:57.58 | kpoman | I just want to make the ext2 file bigger, and when I mount it I still get 1.3G instead of 4G |
| 02:57.59 | kpoman | help |
| 02:58.01 | kpoman | please |
| 02:58.31 | cehteh | how did you made it biggier? |
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| 02:58.56 | kpoman | resize2fs |
| 02:59.34 | cehteh | and why ext2? |
| 03:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: maybe because it's been ext2 before ? |
| 03:00.26 | kpoman | resize2fs resizes those kind of filesystems, right ? the "debian chroot" thing is a pseudo partition in ext2 where you chroot, right ? :s |
| 03:00.41 | cehteh | ah ok :) |
| 03:00.54 | kpoman | any ideas |
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| 03:00.55 | cehteh | never checked how thats actually done |
| 03:00.56 | kpoman | ? |
| 03:01.07 | cehteh | you extended the file with dd first? |
| 03:01.26 | cehteh | (and take care not to delete it ...) |
| 03:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's impossible to resize a chroot environment |
| 03:01.32 | kpoman | cehteh: no, just the resize2fs thing, which did it enlarge from less than 2G to 4G |
| 03:01.38 | kpoman | then fsck.ext2 etc... |
| 03:01.42 | cehteh | is the file biggier now? |
| 03:01.46 | kpoman | then rebooted then retried |
| 03:01.53 | kpoman | yes, the file is 4GB now |
| 03:02.25 | cehteh | tried resizefs on the file or a loopback mount? |
| 03:02.38 | kpoman | however sysfs 1.2G 1.2G 30M 98% /sys |
| 03:02.51 | kpoman | cehteh: on the file |
| 03:03.09 | cehteh | the size of sys is absolutely irrelevant |
| 03:03.10 | kpoman | cehteh: -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 4194304000 May 17 22:01 debian-squeeze.img.ext2 |
| 03:03.32 | kpoman | cehteh: how do one check the amount of free space then ? |
| 03:03.34 | cehteh | make a loopback on it and try to resize that |
| 03:03.51 | kpoman | cehteh: how do I do that ? |
| 03:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't even think about size of /sys yet o,O |
| 03:04.06 | cehteh | uhm forget it stay with it as it is :) |
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| 03:04.57 | cehteh | you stopped all services and mountpoints and whatever was accessing that file before trying? |
| 03:05.12 | kpoman | cehteh: I am surprised this is not a faq ... I mean the base size is way too small, nowadays microsd is 8GB |
| 03:05.14 | cehteh | otherwise you are skrewed anyways :) |
| 03:05.14 | kpoman | or whatever |
| 03:05.19 | kpoman | why that small size ? |
| 03:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | wanders off, screaming |
| 03:05.50 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: .. :) |
| 03:06.34 | cehteh | since i have ext3 everywhere i wanted to convert that image into a directory .. but had no need yet |
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| 03:07.31 | kpoman | cehteh: so how does my chrooted environment calculate free space if /sys says that |
| 03:08.20 | cehteh | sys what? |
| 03:08.32 | kpoman | cehteh: |
| 03:08.34 | cehteh | considers following DocScrutinizer |
| 03:09.17 | kpoman | cehteh: http://pastebin.com/2GrsDPaG |
| 03:10.52 | cehteh | and? |
| 03:11.08 | kpoman | cehteh: and look at the free space ... I a gonna have problems |
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| 03:11.36 | cehteh | 8) |
| 03:11.52 | kpoman | cehteh: help me :o |
| 03:11.56 | kpoman | for god sake |
| 03:11.57 | kpoman | :D |
| 03:12.20 | cehteh | where does that /sys mount come from and why do you think thats in any way relevant? |
| 03:12.36 | kpoman | I dont know, but why dont I even see / on my df thing ??? |
| 03:12.59 | cehteh | i dont know either .. i never looked inside that chroot |
| 03:13.20 | kpoman | I just wanna have room there :( wtf |
| 03:13.25 | cehteh | but i really recommend to setup a loop device with the image and inspect that |
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| 03:13.43 | cehteh | and before you do that you should be damn sure that *nothing* else accesses that image |
| 03:13.47 | kpoman | loop is readonly ? |
| 03:13.54 | kpoman | what about that casper thingie ? |
| 03:13.58 | cehteh | loop is readwrite |
| 03:14.12 | cehteh | when the file is big enough you can resizefs that |
| 03:14.17 | kpoman | cehteh: see what I got now: E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. |
| 03:14.32 | cehteh | and again if *anything else* accesses the file you are screwed |
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| 03:15.01 | cehteh | prolly you are already skrewed |
| 03:15.12 | dagmar_n900 | I seem to experience some problems on my n900. Just recently it started to give me all kinds of "Internal Error. Application 'X' closed." messages. Some widgets keep dissappearing when that happens while some 'safe' widgets remain. Any idea what could be causing this? |
| 03:15.25 | kpoman | cehteh: why ? why resize2fs etc.. are not working as expected ... why |
| 03:15.54 | kpoman | is there a kernel event that needs to be fired or whatever for chroot to see the file is bigger now ? |
| 03:15.55 | kpoman | or what |
| 03:15.56 | cehteh | http://adrinael.net/wrong9 |
| 03:16.10 | kpoman | what is this debian thing ... |
| 03:16.52 | cehteh | kpoman: for sure not |
| 03:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | opens the door and shouts to cehteh "over here, hurry!" |
| 03:17.46 | cehteh | dagmar_n900: how much uptime? .. got an accidentally reboot, damaged filesystem? ... could be either not enough memory or something serious |
| 03:18.17 | cehteh | will have a downtime in a few minutes .. called sleep :P |
| 03:18.33 | dagmar_n900 | cehteh: rootfs seems fine - around 39 MB free, no apparent signs of damaged filesystem, dmesg doesn't spit out any problems regarding that issue. System been rebooted quite a few times |
| 03:19.30 | cehteh | no idea then .. except for some files may be corrupted silently or some other glitch, some service unavailable or something very leaky installed |
| 03:19.33 | kpoman | cehteh: this guys says it should work: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=236876&postcount=221 however it doesnt |
| 03:20.06 | cehteh | kpoman: i am absolutely possible that i can resize my chroot in no time .. |
| 03:20.36 | cehteh | and why this plenty of reboots? |
| 03:20.46 | kpoman | donno |
| 03:20.48 | kpoman | :( |
| 03:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | chroot to a loopmount :-o, resize2fs on a loopmount :-O, df /sys -- err, bye |
| 03:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not even know if resize2fs maybe needs a real decent blockdevice to work |
| 03:23.06 | cehteh | well .. first expand the file to the desire size |
| 03:23.23 | kpoman | cehteh: already did that ... |
| 03:23.35 | cehteh | either by appending 2GB statically or by making it sparse (wont work on FAT so prolly forget about that) |
| 03:23.54 | cehteh | you did it wrong |
| 03:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | I fail to see why you need a loopmount at all for that |
| 03:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH I really couldn't care less atm |
| 03:25.07 | kpoman | lol |
| 03:25.29 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: i also fail to care a lot :( I just want to go on with other problems, not this one :( |
| 03:25.45 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well i was under the impression that resize2fs didnt worked reliable on a file for him |
| 03:25.48 | kpoman | I want to do some python scripts to control some usb devices |
| 03:25.52 | cehteh | i never tried |
| 03:26.01 | kpoman | I just wanna download needed stuff |
| 03:26.08 | kpoman | cehteh: i already mounted the loop, now ??? |
| 03:26.14 | kpoman | mount -o loop -t ext2 /media/mmc1/debian-squeeze.img.ext2 /tmp/loop/ |
| 03:26.15 | cehteh | unmount it |
| 03:26.31 | kpoman | cehteh: then ? :( |
| 03:26.34 | cehteh | cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:27.05 | kpoman | cehteh: do I post the result ? |
| 03:27.07 | cehteh | what size for the loop is shown there? |
| 03:27.12 | cehteh | only the loop |
| 03:27.40 | hcarrega | ? |
| 03:27.42 | kpoman | cehteh: I umounted ! do I remount ? |
| 03:27.56 | cehteh | cat /proc/partitions | grep loop |
| 03:28.09 | kpoman | I do have only this by now |
| 03:28.11 | kpoman | http://pastebin.com/G7Jdc63w |
| 03:28.33 | cehteh | there is no loop set up ... |
| 03:28.55 | cehteh | losetup /dev/loop0 /media/mmc1/debian-squeeze.img.ext2 |
| 03:28.58 | cehteh | cat /proc/partitions | grep loop |
| 03:29.02 | kpoman | cehteh: do you want me to remount ? |
| 03:29.11 | cehteh | no you should *not* mount it |
| 03:29.53 | cehteh | so whats the size now? |
| 03:30.25 | kpoman | cehteh: I dont have losetup ... |
| 03:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | suggests a ls -l /media/mmc1/debian-squeeze.img.ext2 |
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| 03:31.23 | cehteh | you have losetup .. thats in busybox no excuse |
| 03:31.28 | kpoman | http://pastebin.com/UZKLUNh3 |
| 03:31.39 | kpoman | -sh: losetup: not found |
| 03:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | id |
| 03:31.46 | kpoman | not in busybox neither |
| 03:31.52 | kpoman | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) |
| 03:32.14 | cehteh | how did you get dm-0 now? ... |
| 03:32.34 | kpoman | mounting via the provided script ( /sbin/debian ) |
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| 03:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/i2c# losetup --help |
| 03:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary |
| 03:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: losetup [-o OFS] LOOPDEV FILE - associate loop devices |
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| 03:33.40 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I still am able to mount -o loop |
| 03:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | did I mention somebody asked about N800 today |
| 03:33.57 | cehteh | .. well i go to bed .. |
| 03:34.39 | cehteh | when you mount it and resize your FS then it will be damaged at best .. |
| 03:34.45 | kpoman | cehteh: no problem dude |
| 03:34.48 | kpoman | :( |
| 03:35.07 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I mounted manually: http://pastebin.com/L03pgtmA |
| 03:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 03:36.36 | kpoman | mhm ? |
| 03:37.46 | cehteh | n810 .. ok but well .. |
| 03:38.34 | kpoman | i am not understanding dude sorry bout that :( |
| 03:38.41 | cehteh | It can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file |
| 03:38.41 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.42 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.42 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: [2010-05-18 01:53:47] <kpoman> javispedro: because i just cant show what is going on via my n810 gui ! |
| 03:38.52 | cehteh | .. you better rtfm .. |
| 03:39.02 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well i just looked later here |
| 03:39.16 | cehteh | but still the pronciple for the n810 should be very similar |
| 03:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep, but there was also a n810 messybox update issue around that time |
| 03:39.55 | cehteh | you can use the device mapper instead loop device too if you have those tools installed |
| 03:40.03 | Funnyface | does the CA-75U (TV cable for N900) contain any electronics at all, or is it just a simple straight through cable? |
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| 03:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | so when he claims his messybox doesn't know losetup |
| 03:40.15 | cehteh | maybe you can mount it readonly and pray |
| 03:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 03:40.40 | cehteh | Funnyface: should be just a cable |
| 03:40.43 | kpoman | cehteh: I am with the thing mounted rw, I am able to chroot to it or whatever |
| 03:40.59 | cehteh | kpoman: seen what i pasted above |
| 03:41.29 | Funnyface | alright that's what I thought, it's just that it has a little fancy box, so I thought maybe they could have put something in there :P |
| 03:41.30 | GAN900 | wonders why the rendering is so ugly in all of the 3rd party browsers. |
| 03:41.37 | kpoman | cehteh: "It can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file ..." |
| 03:41.38 | cehteh | when you resize a filesystem which is mounted (and not supported by the kernel) then the kernel will write back the superblock at unmount time |
| 03:41.40 | kpoman | what is it ? |
| 03:41.49 | cehteh | that means it will destroy your filesystem |
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| 03:41.56 | kpoman | cehteh: I already mounted/umounted many times |
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| 03:42.11 | kpoman | cehteh: and when I resized it was already umounted |
| 03:42.24 | cehteh | yeah you still did something wrong |
| 03:42.34 | cehteh | proof of that: it didnt worked |
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| 03:42.59 | cehteh | how much space is on your device? |
| 03:43.02 | cehteh | (sd card) |
| 03:43.06 | kpoman | cehteh: see the only strange thing was when I shrinked the file I was using an older busybox which didnt support large files ... however I upgraded and it did work again |
| 03:43.26 | cehteh | just mount 2 filesystems and copy the damn files over and then delete the small image |
| 03:43.30 | kpoman | cehteh: /dev/mmcblk1p1 7.4G 3.9G 3.5G 53% /media/mmc1 |
| 03:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | starts to feel really depressed by a strange kind of IRC-deja-vu |
| 03:44.06 | cehteh | hehe |
| 03:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | WTF do you need a loopmount AT ALL?? |
| 03:45.13 | kpoman | cehteh: I really would like to understand wtf went wrong here .. i just used common tools, wtf |
| 03:45.41 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i am not sure but manpage tells about 'device' and i wont wonder when they using some ioctls for resize2fs |
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| 03:46.01 | cehteh | and sprinkle some fairy dust over the device so that plain file resizing doesnt work |
| 03:46.03 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: I did not partition my sdcard cause I even didnt know how to do that. I just installed that supercommon thing called debian-donno-what and it just worked ... but why on earth did it create a 1.3G :( |
| 03:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | that's not my point though |
| 03:46.23 | Funnyface | speaking of file systems, the other day I put a microSD in my N900 and used the built in file browser to format it, which FS did it use for it you think? FAT32? |
| 03:46.42 | cehteh | somethnig like that |
| 03:46.50 | kpoman | cehteh: is the squeeze term in the name of the file a reference to some strange tool used to mount ? |
| 03:46.52 | cehteh | vfat? whats the difference? i dont know |
| 03:47.09 | kpoman | very fat |
| 03:47.11 | kpoman | :s |
| 03:47.15 | Funnyface | hehe |
| 03:47.41 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: whats your point then about the loopback? |
| 03:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: you considered to ask the friendly tool 'mount' about the filetype of the sd-card? |
| 03:48.12 | cehteh | btw mke2fs works on a image .. i am quite sure i used that once |
| 03:48.47 | Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: nah, didn't think too much about it, and couldn't be bothered to pick up my N900 right now |
| 03:49.08 | Funnyface | it's charging in an awkward place, and I'd rather not put more wear on the USB jack than necessary :) |
| 03:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | needs to get away from kbd, before sarcasm hits the roof |
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| 03:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | might consider to kick users just for fun |
| 03:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | so, bye |
| 03:50.24 | cehteh | [00:58] <Harzilein> http://slashdot.org/story/10/05/17/1541236/Software-Recognizes-Sarcastic-Tweets |
| 03:50.24 | cehteh | [00:58] <Harzilein> Oh, a sarcasm detector, that's a real useful invention. |
| 03:50.24 | cehteh | [00:59] <e_> BEEEP |
| 03:50.24 | cehteh | :) |
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| 03:51.08 | cehteh | good night |
| 03:51.13 | kpoman | byebye |
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| 04:25.37 | kpoman | ok, I am repartitioning the microsd with parted, then I will create a real partition where I will temporarily copy all the easy-deb thing ... then I will create a definitive partition and I will put back the files there |
| 04:26.10 | kpoman | kinda sucks but, well, wont spend my life on this :( |
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| 05:19.58 | RST38h | helo zap |
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| 05:29.28 | Surfa | hm, what could be wrong when all packages return "ignoring version from wrong domain" |
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| 05:41.58 | Surfa | slightly annoying, plenty of complaints on the forums, but no feasible solution |
| 05:42.26 | DaGame | hey there |
| 05:42.33 | DaGame | are there any ppl from bulgaria |
| 05:43.15 | DaGame | is looking for bulgarians. |
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| 06:11.46 | kaien900 | i said i wouldnt, but i bought an n900... and i really like it. its fast. a question: |
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| 06:14.19 | kaien900 | in microb, is there a mouse gesture, or a keyboard shortcut, to quickly go back one page? |
| 06:14.51 | petteri | yes, backspace |
| 06:16.03 | ptl | "quickly" |
| 06:16.09 | ptl | backspace is the same as pressing the back button, isn't it? |
| 06:16.12 | kaien900 | thanks! |
| 06:16.17 | petteri | no it is not |
| 06:16.52 | petteri | back button takes you to the view of last pages or something like that |
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| 06:21.11 | pigeon | hmm, i'm surprised there isn't a gui client for dict/dictd in the repo... |
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| 06:37.21 | dmj726 | mypaint with a fingerpad is terrible. I can only imagine what an idevice would be like. |
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| 06:37.37 | dmj726 | ...mypaint with a stylus is very nice though. |
| 06:37.59 | pupnik | correct dmj726 |
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| 06:38.09 | pupnik | we may have to buy extra n900s for the future |
| 06:38.20 | pupnik | maybe the future gets worse |
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| 06:38.24 | dmj726 | just made a very nice sketch with mine. |
| 06:38.32 | Surfa | are there some issues with extras repo? |
| 06:38.39 | pupnik | yes |
| 06:38.47 | Surfa | ok, great.. |
| 06:39.04 | Surfa | i spent few moments debugging why upgrades don't work :) |
| 06:39.25 | dmj726 | http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=186281&page=2&zoomIdx=4 this with mypaint and a stylus would be useful. |
| 06:39.32 | pupnik | I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain. |
| 06:39.43 | dmj726 | Apple should make one. THey could call it an ipad |
| 06:40.14 | dmj726 | oh wait... |
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| 06:40.57 | dmj726 | ...capacitive screens are frustrating unless the manufacturer includes the special stylus. |
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| 06:41.39 | dmj726 | is rambling tonight. |
| 06:42.33 | pupnik | i had a genius idea for mypaint |
| 06:42.44 | dmj726 | please tell! |
| 06:42.46 | pupnik | use a seperate tablet for color selection / mixing |
| 06:42.50 | mece | grr argh gtk cellrenderer is confusing me. |
| 06:43.08 | dmj726 | hmm...that might work. |
| 06:43.47 | dmj726 | That's why there needs to be a Maemo/Meego tablet with a 9-11 inch resistive screen. |
| 06:43.53 | pupnik | you know like how an artist has his seperate pad for paints? |
| 06:44.00 | dmj726 | yep |
| 06:44.13 | pupnik | leave your n800, 770, n810 on the table and just pick/blend colors |
| 06:44.42 | dmj726 | ...at the least, a big maego tablet would have room to have a color strip at the bottom |
| 06:45.11 | mece | mypaint is awesome btw. |
| 06:45.11 | dmj726 | would have to borrow his mom's n900 for this. |
| 06:45.15 | dmj726 | It is. |
| 06:45.40 | dmj726 | One of my favorite Maemo apps. |
| 06:45.49 | mece | ditto |
| 06:46.15 | dmj726 | A few keyboard shortcuts aside, it feels like it was designed for the tablet. |
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| 06:46.34 | pupnik | i really need to customize a workflow for myself for mypaint |
| 06:46.34 | dmj726 | In a way, it was. |
| 06:46.49 | Surfa | pupnik, is there some announcement about that issue or something that you just have to know? |
| 06:46.58 | dmj726 | considering that the n900 is a linux computer with a graphics tablet built in. |
| 06:47.20 | pupnik | Surfa: i just had the idea while sleeping this morning |
| 06:47.25 | dmj726 | I would like to see mypaint tweaked to have somewhat better defaults for the n900 |
| 06:47.47 | mece | unfortunately none of this explains how I get a cellrenderer to render one columnt from the liststore that is the modelt for the touchselector column. |
| 06:48.05 | Surfa | pupnik, right.. |
| 06:48.09 | pupnik | heh what are you working on mece |
| 06:48.10 | mece | wow. a lot of typos in that one O.o |
| 06:48.36 | mece | pupnik, a wine database interface using fuzzy onthologies. |
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| 06:49.03 | mece | pupnik, it's actual work. Imagine that. I managed to convince my boss to do it on the N900 :D |
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| 06:52.21 | mece | "You can optionally pass a gtk.CellRenderer in cell_renderer, together with a None -terminated list of pairs property/value, in the same way you would use gtk.TreeViewColumn.set_attributes()." -- what the shit? I'm too tired to understand any of this... |
| 06:52.42 | mece | I can't imagine how I managed to get this done before. Completely confused now. |
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| 06:53.13 | pupnik | ++ mece |
| 06:54.21 | mece | is getting a humongous cup-o-joe. That should help. |
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| 06:55.40 | Stskeeps | that 3d driver makes me cry |
| 06:56.34 | mece | Stskeeps, have one been provided for you? (for mer, I assume) |
| 06:57.03 | Stskeeps | the n8x0 one from TI |
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| 06:57.11 | Stskeeps | turns out most of the driver is a big fat lie |
| 06:57.26 | Stskeeps | it works, sortof, but most of the routines in the driver does -nothing- |
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| 06:59.03 | dmj726 | heh...anyone able to install the sdk in ubuntu 10.04? |
| 07:00.08 | pupnik | anybody in taiwan? i need something shipped http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zha_jiang_mian sauce |
| 07:00.32 | larswey | lol pupnik |
| 07:00.35 | dmj726 | pupnik what OS are you on? |
| 07:01.04 | pupnik | linux |
| 07:01.20 | dmj726 | ...which distro/version? |
| 07:01.31 | pupnik | sidux! http://sidux.com |
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| 07:02.02 | mece | I'm on an old xpc with windows xp running linux mint 7 in virtualbox. Things are.. well snappy they aren't. Let's leave it at that. |
| 07:02.21 | dmj726 | why the winxp? |
| 07:02.23 | dmj726 | games? |
| 07:02.30 | pupnik | drivers? :) |
| 07:02.34 | mece | IÍ'm at work |
| 07:02.40 | dmj726 | ah |
| 07:02.42 | mece | it was like that when I got here. |
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| 07:03.06 | dmj726 | ...XP was the virtualized OS at work for me. |
| 07:03.09 | mece | I added linux in the virtualbox, and stole another monitor from a coworker :) |
| 07:03.22 | mece | so it's pretty convenient, albeit slow. |
| 07:03.47 | mece | so i'm running virtual maemo in virtual linux in windows xp. |
| 07:03.52 | dmj726 | ...I'm happy with how robust Linux is when it fails. |
| 07:04.03 | Surfa | robust when it fails :) |
| 07:04.07 | Surfa | sounds funny |
| 07:04.08 | mece | my linux is nice enough to not fail. |
| 07:04.20 | mece | Surfa, fail and robust doesn't compute |
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| 07:04.31 | dmj726 | seriously dead xservers and kernel panics on boot are like 30 minute fixes. |
| 07:04.41 | dmj726 | You can even do an upgrade in the process. |
| 07:05.44 | dmj726 | I'm pretty sure that a bluescreening xp + 30 minutes and a windows 7 disc don't equal all of your documents and settings preserved now running under the newest version of windows. |
| 07:07.02 | dmj726 | ...no clue why my netbook was getting kernel panics all of a sudden though. |
| 07:07.26 | dmj726 | Rather glad I had my home folder on a second partition though. |
| 07:08.24 | dmj726 | That's a pretty nice recovery from a pretty catastrophic failure. |
| 07:08.43 | pupnik | ty for reminder to backup browser settings |
| 07:08.45 | mece | aw fuck it. This is too cmplicated. I'll just parse the data using the label as key in a dict. |
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| 07:09.22 | mece | dmj726, yeah that is a good idea. Infact I think I'll do that on my computer at home tonight. |
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| 07:09.50 | pupnik | mece - yup, sometimes you gotta cut the time-consuming ideas |
| 07:09.55 | petur | to put things in perspective, linux runs fine on my netbook, but if I want to actually use it (use my network) I have to boot windows (or use a supported wifi dongle). |
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| 07:10.35 | dmj726 | Yep, and the failure allowed me to upgrade to lucid and reorganize the partitions to fix a lack of free space on the root partition. |
| 07:10.41 | pupnik | protip: check the wifi chipset before buying |
| 07:10.48 | mece | pupnik, I mean it's super easy to get a touchselector to display stuff and select it, but if you want actual data in there too besides the lable, you have to go deep into gtk territory. |
| 07:10.51 | dmj726 | petur: your wifi doesn't just work? |
| 07:11.20 | dmj726 | man, that's like so 2008 |
| 07:12.08 | mece | I guess I've just been lucky enough to have the correct hardware, because everything just worked right away when I installed it. It being linux mint 7. |
| 07:12.19 | petur | there's a driver (broadcomm), but connections to my wifi are only made sporadic. Most of the time it times out claiming the wpa key doesn't work. My laptop (on 10.04) can connect fine, so it's the broadcomm driver. |
| 07:12.27 | mece | skipping 8 and going straight to 9 in a couple of weeks. |
| 07:12.44 | pupnik | petur: broadcom driver will improve a lot in newer kernels |
| 07:12.58 | dmj726 | ...Last I checked, I've been having more driver pain with windows than linux. |
| 07:13.54 | pupnik | just installing windows is enough to make me want to kill someone |
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| 07:14.15 | pupnik | all the *shit* you have to do. like a god-damn circus poodle |
| 07:14.23 | petur | waits for ubuntu to catch up with the rest of the world. By then this netbook will be old junk :/ |
| 07:14.30 | pupnik | like a gimp |
| 07:14.50 | pupnik | ideapad S10-2 petur? |
| 07:15.01 | petur | nope, hp mini 5102 |
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| 07:15.31 | dmj726 | I spent an hour just installing the drivers on windows that ubuntu included by default |
| 07:15.39 | pupnik | nice petur - with the non-glare screen? and the nice price? |
| 07:15.49 | dmj726 | ...non-glare screen! |
| 07:15.58 | petur | yes, non-glare hi-res screen |
| 07:16.04 | mece | how hi-res? |
| 07:16.07 | petur | and 10 hours battery life :) |
| 07:16.08 | dmj726 | Why do they keep making glossy screens? |
| 07:16.19 | dmj726 | I still have an eeepc 900 |
| 07:17.02 | dmj726 | ...small enough to just fit in your pocket, matte screen, and the keys are ordered: |
| 07:17.24 | dmj726 | <ctrl><Fn><super><Alt> |
| 07:17.31 | mece | hee |
| 07:17.39 | dmj726 | ...which is the best ordering for a linux user. |
| 07:18.14 | mece | so are you guys as excited about the upcoming Watain album as I am? |
| 07:18.39 | dmj726 | Watain? |
| 07:18.46 | mece | I guess not. |
| 07:18.48 | mece | ;) |
| 07:19.19 | mece | swedish black metal. They're very good within the genre :) |
| 07:19.22 | dmj726 | I still have to read Cory Doctorow's last book and a half. |
| 07:20.02 | mece | and what's that? |
| 07:20.06 | dmj726 | I got to talk with him a bit on Thursday. |
| 07:20.26 | dmj726 | the last half of Makers and For The Win. |
| 07:20.39 | dmj726 | He's a really good scifi author. |
| 07:20.49 | mece | o scifi |
| 07:20.56 | mece | and you're meeting him? |
| 07:21.04 | mece | err you met him? |
| 07:21.04 | dmj726 | I did on Thursday. |
| 07:21.09 | mece | that's cool |
| 07:21.14 | mece | what did he say? |
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| 07:22.31 | dmj726 | A lot of it was about gaming, goldfarming and such with his new book, but he also talked about british politics and the Digital Economy Act, which has some pretty unpleasant things like kicking families off the internet based on accusations ands such. |
| 07:22.57 | dmj726 | He also mentioned that his daughter likes to watch flash video on his n800. |
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| 07:23.07 | mece | \o/ |
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| 07:23.20 | mece | goldfarming? |
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| 07:23.33 | dmj726 | ...I mentioned that I was the person who made the video of the n900 reading his book on his blog. |
| 07:23.42 | mece | I actually talked alot to a person who makes a living drilling for gold this weekend. |
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| 07:24.15 | dmj726 | ...that's where (typically chinese) gamers mine for virtual gold and items in games and sell them to rich players for real money |
| 07:24.17 | edheldil | mece: in WoW? :) |
| 07:24.33 | mece | no, this guy drills for gold in real life. |
| 07:24.43 | dmj726 | yeah...apparently his latest book involves MMO goldfarmers unionizing. |
| 07:24.58 | mece | which is actually very interesting, and much cooler than doing it virtually. IMHO. |
| 07:25.01 | edheldil | vomits |
| 07:25.18 | dmj726 | Sounds unusual, but given his previous two books, I'm willing to give it a try. |
| 07:25.58 | dmj726 | Little Brother was fantastic and Makers is really good so far, but I haven't had time to finish it. |
| 07:26.57 | dmj726 | You can download his books for free on his website. craphound.com by the way. |
| 07:27.20 | dmj726 | He's a fan of the whole creative commons thing. |
| 07:27.25 | mece | dmj726, you can download them? Well in that case I'll buy them. |
| 07:27.57 | dmj726 | I downloaded and read a couple and promptly bought them and shoved them into my friends hands. |
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| 07:34.58 | alterego | I was thinking of writing a small app which maps cellular connectivity stats to geolocation |
| 07:35.33 | Treibholz | has somebody ported ClamAV yet to Maemo? |
| 07:35.38 | alterego | I was thinking of getting it to anonymously update information through a web service for mapping cellular connectivity information, maybe based on google maps or something. |
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| 07:36.56 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:40.00 | pupnik | i was thinking we ought to be getting more fun info from the cellmodem |
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| 07:44.54 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289 |
| 07:46.19 | Treibholz | That was meant as a joke... |
| 07:46.25 | mece | hee. |
| 07:46.34 | mece | is slow |
| 07:46.47 | mece | also some people are serious about stuff like that. |
| 07:46.59 | mece | wrongly so, but still. |
| 07:47.02 | ptl | since I can't ask about PR1.2 here without being kicked, can I ask if there is any way of asking about PR1.2 without being kicked? |
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| 07:47.13 | Treibholz | although one could scan MicriSD-Cards for viruses, then... |
| 07:47.14 | Stskeeps | rot13 it? |
| 07:47.16 | mece | ptl, no. on both accounts |
| 07:47.21 | ptl | :( |
| 07:47.24 | mece | hee |
| 07:47.35 | mece | what about pr1.2? |
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| 07:48.10 | ptl | I won't ask, I don't want to be kicked. (I was just going like " are we there yet? ", but I never said that) |
| 07:48.27 | mece | apparently we're not :) |
| 07:48.50 | Treibholz | what about http://www.ismaemopr1.2releasedyet.com |
| 07:49.26 | dotblank | when 1.2 comes out im going to release my GrooveShark client |
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| 07:49.55 | Treibholz | like http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
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| 07:53.33 | fcrozat | hmm modest has a bad tendancy to sometime use 3G acces to check for mail even if it was configured to not check over 3G |
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| 08:00.02 | phellarv | fcrozat: I had a similar experience a month ago. My phone-bill for that month was not a pleasant experience. |
| 08:00.24 | phellarv | <--- Get lots of mails |
| 08:00.28 | fcrozat | phellarv: yes, me too, I was able to get cancelled by my operator ;) |
| 08:00.35 | fcrozat | s/get/get it/ |
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| 08:01.27 | FIQ | Hi. I've no idea why i have mksh installed, but i'm unable to remove it. Is it some way to delete it manually? |
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| 08:13.23 | ptl | why you are unable? |
| 08:13.24 | ptl | apt-get --purge remove mksh |
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| 08:21.21 | pupnik | Tell us what you love about N900 and what youâd like to see changed. Your answers will help us improve N900 and make future Nokia devices better than ever. http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/ |
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| 08:23.53 | pupnik | where do i click to *Take* the survey? |
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| 08:26.03 | pgas | http://maemo.nokia.com/ "The N900 survey has ended" |
| 08:26.10 | Appiah | what |
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| 08:26.12 | Appiah | a survey |
| 08:27.12 | copumpkin | is there a way to convince the installer script for scratchbox (for maemo 5) from the nokia site to install on my x86-64 system? I don't plan on using the qemu stuff, I just need to compile for my n900 and then copy the executables there |
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| 08:27.46 | FIQ | Why doesn't bash want to read the .bashrc file in maemo? |
| 08:28.01 | FIQ | When i use bash through debian armel, it does |
| 08:28.58 | pgas | Maybe your shell is a login shell? and thus read .profile .bash_profile and not .bashrc? |
| 08:30.12 | pgas | also depending on the copmilation it might source .bashrc when you use ssh or not |
| 08:30.39 | FIQ | Actually, when i start bash from bash (cmd "bash") it reads it |
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| 08:31.08 | FIQ | But, when i start it from the menu ("X Terminal") it doesn't |
| 08:31.25 | FIQ | And yes, i've changed the default shell to bash |
| 08:31.42 | pgas | try: shopt | grep login |
| 08:32.17 | FIQ | login_shell on |
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| 08:32.47 | pgas | login shells don't source .bashrc |
| 08:33.03 | FIQ | ah, k |
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| 08:33.13 | FIQ | what file does it source then? |
| 08:33.16 | pgas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:33.50 | pgas | .bash_profile or .bash_login or .profile |
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| 08:34.47 | smoku | FIQ, firmware does not use bash. /bin/sh comes from scratchbox and it's not bash |
| 08:35.04 | smoku | s/scratchbox/busybox/ |
| 08:35.15 | smoku | yup |
| 08:35.18 | smoku | a typo |
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| 08:36.03 | smoku | ergo it does not use bash-specific configuration file |
| 08:36.16 | pgas | <FIQ> And yes, i've changed the default shell to bash |
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| 08:36.58 | smoku | by editing xterm.desktop file? :> |
| 08:37.54 | FIQ | nope |
| 08:38.07 | FIQ | i did it through /etc/passwd |
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| 08:38.22 | pupnik | thanks for that keyboard file again smoku |
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| 08:38.44 | pupnik | one of the coolest jobs ever is open here: "The ideal candidate for this position will have at least 5 years of programming experience in Linux graphics area. In-depth understanding of X.org and Linux Graphics drivers development background is mandatatory. The candidate should also have previous experience and visibility to the Linux Graphics community side (Mesa, X.org, driver developmetn, etc.".... |
| 08:38.58 | pupnik | sighs |
| 08:39.06 | FIQ | and .bash_profile seems to actually include .bashrc if it exists |
| 08:40.01 | FIQ | "if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then(newline). ~/.bashrc(newline)fi" |
| 08:40.18 | smoku | FIQ, I'm not sure whether osso-xterm honors passwd entry |
| 08:40.37 | FIQ | But it actually starts bash |
| 08:40.42 | FIQ | and not sh |
| 08:40.48 | FIQ | after the edit |
| 08:40.56 | lcuk | pupnik, there are cooler jobs, but that sounds decent |
| 08:41.11 | smoku | pupnik, n/p |
| 08:41.21 | FIQ | Hm |
| 08:41.38 | FIQ | Seems as it doesn't |
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| 08:42.34 | FIQ | 34 |
| 08:42.37 | FIQ | er* |
| 08:42.40 | FIQ | i mean |
| 08:42.45 | MohammadAG | I borked scratchbox, how awesome is that |
| 08:42.52 | smoku | FIQ, so it is as pgas said - login shells read .profile (and .bash_profile in bash case, not .bashrc) - just source .bashrc in your .bash_profile |
| 08:43.24 | FIQ | But it already is sourced in there |
| 08:43.31 | FIQ | [10:42:17] <FIQ> "if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then(newline). ~/.bashrc(newline)fi" |
| 08:43.59 | FIQ | (xchat doesn't want to paste multilines) |
| 08:44.01 | pgas | put set -x at the beginning of .bash_profile, you should see what's executed |
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| 08:44.43 | FIQ | no change |
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| 08:45.22 | FIQ | Hm |
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| 08:45.41 | VDVsx | pupnik, where's that job ? :) |
| 08:45.54 | pupnik | tampere, fi |
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| 08:46.09 | VDVsx | ah, so maemo/meego |
| 08:46.19 | pupnik | there's what, like 10 people on the planet qualified for it? :) |
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| 08:46.36 | FIQ | echo 'test' didn't show up eihter |
| 08:46.51 | FIQ | afk |
| 08:46.57 | VDVsx | pupnik, there are more for sure, at least x.org people |
| 08:47.16 | VDVsx | but probably already working for Intel or Nokia :D |
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| 08:57.22 | pupnik | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e90-reviews-1857.php 240 *pages* of love for the Nokia E90 .. :) Wonder if we could get maemo on it :P |
| 08:58.16 | viliny__ | is E90 a new model? |
| 08:58.34 | viliny__ | oh right, yes |
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| 08:59.10 | pupnik | haha |
| 09:01.50 | viliny__ | 3 year old device it is then :P |
| 09:01.57 | viliny__ | any good? |
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| 09:03.37 | pupnik | has clamshell with huge keyboard. but screen resolution doesn't fit maemo4 well |
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| 09:06.23 | viliny__ | got rid of my n95 recently |
| 09:06.30 | viliny__ | now reading about it sounds kinda powerful |
| 09:07.30 | viliny__ | only thing i miss is picture quality on photos |
| 09:07.53 | viliny__ | n900 is kinda hit and miss for most parts so far... wonder if software tweaks will fix it |
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| 09:09.26 | brik | yeah can be hard taking good photos with it, but they are good when you get it right :p |
| 09:09.48 | SpeedEvil | For values of good that don't include 5MP. |
| 09:09.54 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 09:10.20 | viliny__ | I don't get that sentence SpeedEvil |
| 09:10.47 | viliny__ | but yeah, macro pictures with n900 so far have been very much to my liking |
| 09:10.49 | SpeedEvil | Sticking 'Carl Zeis' on a label next to the lens does not mean it can break the laws of physics. |
| 09:11.15 | SpeedEvil | The lens cannot resolve 5MP onto the imager, it's too small. |
| 09:11.51 | MohammadAG | was the N95's lens larger? |
| 09:11.54 | pupnik | the photons are too big? |
| 09:12.00 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: yes. |
| 09:12.03 | viliny__ | SpeedEvil: example 1 has a camera with the label carl zeiss next to it, example 2 comes out several years later with pretty much the same hardware on the camera department but the latter has a inconsistent quality track record in my case. |
| 09:12.24 | SpeedEvil | viliny__: I mean the n900 lens |
| 09:12.30 | viliny__ | ah i see |
| 09:13.02 | SpeedEvil | viliny__: It's simply a case of diameter - 1.8mm has a diffraction of 1.22* wavelength/diameter - which turns out to be too large to obtain 5MP images |
| 09:13.14 | viliny__ | too small? |
| 09:13.30 | SpeedEvil | Which is borne out by zooming in - you will never see a image with adjacent black and white pixels. |
| 09:14.33 | SpeedEvil | The optical resolution - how much the smallest angular distance it can sense is - is the inverse of the lens diameter. This is why astronomical telescopes are large. (well one reason) |
| 09:14.38 | viliny__ | wait now, the n900 has a smaller lens than the n95, right? |
| 09:15.00 | SpeedEvil | I don't off-hand know. |
| 09:15.16 | viliny__ | i have both phones in my vicinity |
| 09:15.18 | MohammadAG | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! <-- any ideas? the reinstall isn't working |
| 09:15.28 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: reinstall of what? |
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| 09:15.51 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, scratchbox |
| 09:15.57 | pupnik | check out the nokia N93 for a cool lens, SpeedEvil |
| 09:15.58 | MohammadAG | it broke on me for some reason |
| 09:16.27 | viliny__ | pupnik: damn that thing looks fragile |
| 09:16.29 | pupnik | n97 mini and n900 have same size lens from appearance |
| 09:16.47 | pupnik | 3x optical zoom - takes nice pics |
| 09:17.23 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Open the n900 up - look at the lens, and you can see it's ~1.8mm in diameter |
| 09:17.39 | SpeedEvil | The middle glass bit. |
| 09:17.55 | pupnik | yeah i can see that tiny hole from outside -- itt's the n93 that has the 3x optical |
| 09:18.33 | MohammadAG | optical? |
| 09:18.40 | mece1 | tes |
| 09:18.43 | SpeedEvil | To make decent optical system, you'd need to make it thicker |
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| 09:18.44 | mece1 | optical zoom on that one |
| 09:18.57 | mece1 | n93 has really big optics for a phone |
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| 09:19.35 | pupnik | mece1: yeah, i am impressed they had the cojones to make that form factor. looks like a digital video camera |
| 09:19.38 | SpeedEvil | You could - without affecting the footprint of the camera on the phone - just design - make the camera a good 1mm thicker 'free' - slightly redesign the camera shutter assembly. |
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| 09:20.14 | SpeedEvil | To do more means you need to punch a hole in the PCB - which would actually be not too much of an issue in the n900. |
| 09:20.32 | pupnik | or you could mount camera on the side -- like N93 http://digadget.com/digital-gadget/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/nokia-n93-open.jpg |
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| 09:25.57 | viliny__ | id rather not have that |
| 09:26.09 | viliny__ | i have seen a battered n93 at work here, looks like a goddamn discarded toy |
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| 09:30.06 | pupnik | viliny__: anyway SpeedEvil is 100% correct about the lens issue |
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| 09:31.48 | viliny__ | pupnik: Yeah, pity though. |
| 09:32.01 | SpeedEvil | You can in principle upgrade the n900s camera. |
| 09:32.04 | SpeedEvil | It's socketed. |
| 09:32.17 | viliny__ | the phone can all but make mashed potatoes and they give it a lens thats too small :/ |
| 09:32.21 | SpeedEvil | I have real doubts there will ever be a better suitable camera module that will fit in the same hole. |
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| 09:33.20 | viliny__ | maybe get the usb h mode working so you can carry around a system camera and then transfer the pictures via usb cable to the n900 :P |
| 09:33.29 | viliny__ | con-vini-ent! |
| 09:33.55 | pupnik | the n900 is good enough for me. my real camera is lonely now |
| 09:34.08 | BCMM | it is better than my digital camera |
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| 09:34.36 | viliny__ | i feel discouraged to take photos but yeah, it's pretty good if the lights hits it just right |
| 09:34.43 | viliny__ | photos at night though... |
| 09:35.17 | SpeedEvil | viliny__: Bluetooth would in principle work. |
| 09:35.18 | BCMM | my digital camera is pretty old though; looks like a regular film compact |
| 09:35.25 | BCMM | (and weighs the same) |
| 09:35.45 | SpeedEvil | viliny__: Though if you can afford a digital camera with bluetooth, you may as well hire a photographer to follow you around. |
| 09:35.54 | pupnik | nothing compares to a big, quality sensor |
| 09:36.13 | viliny__ | SpeedEvil: not to mention switching the memory card around |
| 09:36.19 | adeus | I have a camera with wlan |
| 09:36.37 | adeus | supports ad-hocing |
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| 09:36.41 | SpeedEvil | adeus: yeah - that's another alternative. |
| 09:37.05 | SpeedEvil | http://www.eye.fi/ |
| 09:37.06 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 09:37.11 | SpeedEvil | SD card with wifi inside. |
| 09:37.17 | SpeedEvil | and the n900 in master mode |
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| 09:39.14 | adeus | it's old |
| 09:39.19 | adeus | maybe this thing http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Powershot-SD430-Digital-Optical/dp/B000B8UOV6 |
| 09:40.05 | SpeedEvil | adeus: no - the eye fi works with any camera with a SD card. It's rather clever. (though also annoying in other ways) |
| 09:40.17 | SpeedEvil | (but can be hacked to be less annoying) |
| 09:41.17 | pupnik | i wonder if a Shack-Hartman sensor could be used to cover the whole back of a cell-phone |
| 09:41.31 | adeus | SpeedEvil, I wast just wondering what model I had |
| 09:41.33 | adeus | -t |
| 09:41.34 | pupnik | and somehow generate a coherent image |
| 09:41.49 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: in principle you can do stuff like that |
| 09:41.57 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: It's maybe a few decades off though. |
| 09:42.22 | pupnik | i am outgeeked |
| 09:43.17 | SpeedEvil | Coherent imaging requires accurate phase reconstruction. This is doable at microwaves, but not without reference beams with semiconductors at optical freqs |
| 09:44.00 | pupnik | ahhh |
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| 09:47.26 | MohammadAG | b-man, ping |
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| 09:54.04 | kaie | the test on https://ssltls.de/ returns failure for n900's microb |
| 09:55.06 | satmd | reads and thinks this should need fixing |
| 09:56.22 | pupnik | i still can't get a reliable mouse cursor on N900 without starting a flash-website (for use with synergy) |
| 09:58.12 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: it seems a little picky as to the drag-in point for the left for me |
| 09:58.24 | viliny__ | SpeedEvil: that memory card sounds awesome... |
| 09:58.29 | supertramp | what's the best GPS software for n900 / europe? |
| 09:58.55 | tybollt | supertramp: sygic |
| 09:59.03 | pupnik | nobody besides me sets the n900 next to computer and uses it with keyboard/mouse |
| 09:59.09 | tybollt | pupnik: "works for me" |
| 09:59.30 | pupnik | which synergy do you use tybollt ? maybe someone fixed this stuff |
| 09:59.39 | tybollt | no |
| 09:59.40 | tybollt | I don't |
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| 09:59.49 | tybollt | the mouse cursor appears just fine |
| 09:59.50 | dotblank | check it out |
| 09:59.51 | tybollt | is what I meant |
| 09:59.52 | supertramp | tybollt: is there IGO or tomtom? |
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| 09:59.58 | dotblank | http://encodable.com/cgi-bin/filechucker.cgi?action=landing&path=/&file=groove_0.0.1-1_amd64.deb |
| 10:00.04 | tybollt | supertramp: S Y G I C |
| 10:00.05 | dotblank | preview of the grooveshark client |
| 10:00.09 | dotblank | this is for ubuntu x65 |
| 10:00.16 | dotblank | 64* |
| 10:00.24 | pupnik | ah well, now i have mouse cursor in all apps (after loading homestarrunner.com) |
| 10:00.27 | supertramp | tybollt: ok :) is it free? :) |
| 10:00.41 | tybollt | no |
| 10:00.47 | tybollt | sygic is payware (IIRC) |
| 10:01.12 | MohammadAG | anyone using 1.1.1? |
| 10:01.19 | tybollt | me |
| 10:01.35 | MohammadAG | got the stock headphones? |
| 10:01.43 | fraggeln | tybollt: yea, it is. costs rounte 39.99euro |
| 10:01.46 | fraggeln | rounde.. |
| 10:01.52 | tybollt | MohammadAG: can't try now - why? |
| 10:01.53 | fraggeln | ehh. round.. |
| 10:02.14 | MohammadAG | headset-control doesn't seem to be working for some users |
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| 10:02.25 | MohammadAG | I have 1.2 packages on a 1.1.1 install, so can't check |
| 10:02.27 | tybollt | fraggeln: not much but still a PITA to pay for something all other (new) nokla phones get FOR FREE :) |
| 10:02.45 | tybollt | MohammadAG: Huh? How can you? Shouldn't install |
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| 10:02.55 | fraggeln | tybollt: ovi maps? :) |
| 10:02.57 | tybollt | MohammadAG: qt 4.5 vs 4.6? |
| 10:02.57 | fraggeln | its free :D |
| 10:03.06 | MohammadAG | tybollt, yes it shouldn't install, but it did :P |
| 10:03.09 | tybollt | fraggeln: no |
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| 10:03.18 | tybollt | fraggeln: ovi maps on the n900 is useless POS. |
| 10:03.21 | tybollt | please |
| 10:03.26 | MohammadAG | (some apps are broken though) |
| 10:03.50 | tybollt | MohammadAG: you're basically chuck norris awesome! You installed a package that can't be installed ;) |
| 10:04.00 | tybollt | anyway I guess I can check |
| 10:04.03 | tybollt | what's the procedure |
| 10:04.07 | furunk3l | yes hello |
| 10:04.09 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:04.15 | tybollt | plug in headphones see if I can manipulate volume? |
| 10:04.16 | MohammadAG | apt-get install headset-control |
| 10:04.21 | tybollt | aha |
| 10:04.24 | MohammadAG | and see if you can pause the song using the button |
| 10:04.25 | tybollt | fair enough |
| 10:04.45 | MohammadAG | the end button has been useless to me till I got the package lol |
| 10:04.53 | tybollt | MohammadAG: does the thing have some mp3 from default? |
| 10:04.59 | tybollt | I don't have any songs on my device :S |
| 10:05.13 | MohammadAG | hmm, think so |
| 10:05.24 | MohammadAG | It has some good stuff from Keith Merrow |
| 10:06.12 | ZogG | morning |
| 10:06.23 | MohammadAG | \o |
| 10:06.27 | tybollt | o/ |
| 10:06.32 | tybollt | \\o |
| 10:06.37 | ZogG | MohammadAG, people in Israel are fu##ing stupid |
| 10:06.40 | tybollt | _o/ |
| 10:06.46 | ZogG | \o/ |
| 10:06.49 | tybollt | ZogG: amen to that |
| 10:06.50 | MohammadAG | ZogG, I'll second that |
| 10:06.55 | ZogG | yesterday i was sitting in bar |
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| 10:07.01 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 10:07.03 | ZogG | and there was drunk guy |
| 10:07.07 | tybollt | ZogG: Israelians and Arabs in that area are about equally stupid though ;) |
| 10:07.09 | MohammadAG | people in general are stupid |
| 10:07.14 | ZogG | after he disturbed all the bar |
| 10:07.18 | tybollt | oi yeah |
| 10:07.22 | tybollt | MohammadAG++ |
| 10:07.26 | tybollt | people are stupid |
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| 10:07.40 | MohammadAG | tybollt, I'm from IL, just for the record :P |
| 10:07.40 | ZogG | long story short - he started to jerk off in the middle of bar |
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| 10:07.45 | ZogG | and it was near us |
| 10:07.47 | MohammadAG | O_o |
| 10:08.35 | ZogG | tybollt, for the record i'm from Israel too |
| 10:08.46 | tybollt | Meh |
| 10:09.04 | tybollt | ZogG: Drunk people are idiots everywhere - that is universal :) |
| 10:09.16 | ZogG | he was on drugs i think |
| 10:09.25 | ZogG | never saw something like that |
| 10:09.27 | tybollt | probably meth |
| 10:09.27 | MohammadAG | replaces "drunk" with a wildcard |
| 10:09.49 | tybollt | MohammadAG: drunk people are stupid*er* ;) |
| 10:09.58 | ZogG | MohammadAG, do you drink ? |
| 10:10.06 | MohammadAG | 1. I'm 16 |
| 10:10.17 | MohammadAG | 2. Name gives a clue :P |
| 10:10.18 | ZogG | so? |
| 10:10.26 | ZogG | oh 2 |
| 10:10.28 | MohammadAG | 3. Wouldn't do it even if 2 was invalid |
| 10:10.29 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:10.33 | ZogG | yeah - that's why i asked |
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| 10:11.09 | MohammadAG | tybollt, what about tmo users? |
| 10:11.26 | tybollt | Ouch :D |
| 10:11.36 | tybollt | you're saying TMOers are worse than drunks? :D |
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| 10:11.56 | ZogG | i thinkty is an alcoholist |
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| 10:12.46 | pupnik | designers of 8088, IBM-PC and Soundblaster... don't know what drugs they were on |
| 10:13.07 | MohammadAG | tybollt, kind of :P |
| 10:13.18 | pupnik | spend some time with dosbox |
| 10:13.57 | smoku | worse is better |
| 10:14.47 | MohammadAG | points and laughs http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52952 |
| 10:14.51 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:15.25 | MohammadAG | Morning Jaffa |
| 10:15.52 | ZogG | morning |
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| 10:16.46 | ZogG | MohammadAG isn't mplayer-plugin should play the quicktime stuff on sites? |
| 10:17.17 | MohammadAG | no idea lol |
| 10:17.29 | MohammadAG | never used QT <-- hey that stands for something else too |
| 10:17.40 | smoku | tybollt, it's not universal. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ballmer%20Peak |
| 10:19.04 | tybollt | :D |
| 10:19.13 | dotblank | qt is awesome |
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| 10:19.30 | MohammadAG | QT sucks though :P |
| 10:19.38 | dotblank | Nooo.. |
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| 10:19.48 | dotblank | MohammadAG, you running debian |
| 10:19.52 | ZogG | ÑÑÑÑÑ |
| 10:19.54 | ZogG | haha |
| 10:19.55 | dotblank | or ubuntu |
| 10:19.59 | ZogG | i found http://libquicktime.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:20.03 | MohammadAG | same thing basically |
| 10:20.12 | ZogG | the desing is so terrible |
| 10:20.12 | lcuk | MohammadAG runs windows millenium, he thinks its uber cool |
| 10:20.13 | smoku | qt is yawnsome |
| 10:20.29 | ZogG | i prefer gtk+ on desktop |
| 10:20.29 | MohammadAG | ^^^ |
| 10:20.34 | MohammadAG | lcuk, 3.01 actually |
| 10:20.36 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:20.42 | dotblank | cause I'll show him qt is awesome by giving him a preview deb of the grooveshark client i'm writing |
| 10:20.46 | wall[e] | anyone have font for contact and calendar bigger? |
| 10:20.47 | lcuk | oh you ugraded finally |
| 10:20.48 | MohammadAG | but it's themed to look like Windows 7 |
| 10:21.12 | MohammadAG | it uses hildon-desktop too |
| 10:21.15 | dotblank | http://encodable.com/cgi-bin/filechucker.cgi?action=landing&path=/&file=groove_0.0.1-1_amd64.deb |
| 10:21.17 | wall[e] | correction: anyone know how to make font for contact and calendar bigger? |
| 10:21.21 | MohammadAG | took me time to compile it for windows 3.01 |
| 10:22.16 | MohammadAG | dotblank, that isn't packaged correctly is it :P |
| 10:22.33 | MohammadAG | oh nvm, one binary only |
| 10:22.36 | MohammadAG | didn't see it |
| 10:22.45 | ZogG | i hacked n900 and replaced hildon with aero |
| 10:23.00 | dotblank | MohammadAG, its super beta.. plus this is the first program ive ever made |
| 10:24.43 | wall[e] | is address book a part of modest? |
| 10:24.51 | wall[e] | or it is a separated app? |
| 10:24.57 | wall[e] | or where can i find it? |
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| 10:27.00 | SpeedEvil | I think it's closed |
| 10:27.06 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 10:27.06 | infobot | [closed] http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 10:28.27 | wall[e] | i don't see address book there |
| 10:29.24 | wall[e] | er, i searched wrong window! |
| 10:29.28 | SpeedEvil | I've never used it, dunno |
| 10:29.41 | MohammadAG | dotblank, no source? :) |
| 10:30.02 | wall[e] | i need to change font size |
| 10:30.06 | dotblank | MohammadAG, if you want it i can give it too |
| 10:32.16 | MohammadAG | was thinking about compiling it for the N900 |
| 10:32.34 | MohammadAG | looks like C++ though, wouldn't want to edit it |
| 10:32.43 | dotblank | I already did |
| 10:33.07 | MohammadAG | repo? |
| 10:33.10 | dotblank | and it works well |
| 10:33.16 | MohammadAG | bah, I don't even have the compiler working properly |
| 10:33.19 | dotblank | its all on my hardrive |
| 10:33.26 | MohammadAG | forgot that the SDK broke |
| 10:33.49 | MohammadAG | sec gonna try to reboot |
| 10:33.54 | dotblank | Does your n900 have the sdk libqt4.6.2? |
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| 10:36.51 | wall[e] | is address book a gtk app? |
| 10:37.10 | wall[e] | what's the actual process? |
| 10:37.13 | wall[e] | for contacts |
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| 10:42.48 | wall[e] | which directory keep .desktop file for installed app? |
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| 10:43.45 | lcuk | wall[e], /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 10:43.57 | wall[e] | lcuk, thanks |
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| 10:46.11 | wall[e] | i wonder how to start contacts from command line |
| 10:46.21 | wall[e] | tried osso-addressbook but it didn't work |
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| 11:05.05 | wall[e] | any source for libcalendarui ? |
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| 11:09.03 | mintux | hi I bought nokia n900 2 hours ago. the first problem is I can not connect to my wireless access point (linsys) it protected with wep |
| 11:09.11 | mintux | sorry wpa |
| 11:09.38 | Corsac | n900 works pretty fine with wpa |
| 11:10.03 | mintux | Corsac: wpa2 not different ? |
| 11:10.51 | dotblank | im using mine with wpa 2 |
| 11:11.01 | pupnik | is two locks on the icon wpa? |
| 11:11.13 | mintux | yes |
| 11:11.14 | dotblank | I think so |
| 11:11.20 | mintux | Corsac: my config is http://img6.tinypic.info/files/tda38p856boesa6u9zw6.png |
| 11:11.50 | dotblank | mintux, that should work |
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| 11:12.10 | dotblank | unless you have mac filtering |
| 11:12.26 | pupnik | are there some exotic forms of wpa we don't support? |
| 11:12.32 | stskeepsie | mintux: what does it say on device? |
| 11:12.54 | dotblank | it might be hidden ssid? |
| 11:12.58 | mintux | dotblank: I clicked on wirless the question it asked is : push a button on wireless station to initiate easy setup process and tap Done . I have two button PIN method and Done |
| 11:13.09 | mintux | stskeepsie: ^^ |
| 11:13.16 | stskeepsie | mintux: ok, go add the network manually in settings->internet connections |
| 11:13.22 | dotblank | don't use the easy pin button thingy |
| 11:13.25 | dotblank | don't bother |
| 11:13.30 | stskeepsie | the people who made the UI for 'easy' PIN, should be shot |
| 11:13.35 | dotblank | really |
| 11:13.36 | Corsac | I know that I had problems with some access points where the WEP was detected as Wifi protected setup compliant while it wasn't |
| 11:14.07 | Corsac | stskeepsie: agreed, it sucks badly, and it doesn't work at all |
| 11:14.18 | stskeepsie | as it doesn't allow you to use a simple passphrase in basic ui |
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| 11:15.02 | mintux | I think I found something in internet connections |
| 11:15.20 | stskeepsie | mintux: i have same issue on my home network, so |
| 11:17.27 | Sampppa | wall[e] you mean calendar-ui package? |
| 11:19.12 | mintux | stskeepsie: where did your n900 make ? |
| 11:19.30 | stskeepsie | what? :P |
| 11:19.41 | edheldil | btw, there's error with n900, that sometimes it's unable to connect to wifi. Reboot helps |
| 11:19.51 | mintux | what country made your phone ? |
| 11:20.01 | Corsac | fi? |
| 11:20.17 | Scelt | all assembled in korea |
| 11:20.23 | Scelt | designed in Finland |
| 11:20.31 | mintux | ok |
| 11:21.20 | pupnik | i want to solder n810 speakers into n900 |
| 11:21.24 | pupnik | bet that wouldn't work, eh |
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| 11:24.21 | ZogG | www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/zte-packs-3g-maemo-into-its-v7-mid/ - another maemo tablet? =))) |
| 11:24.54 | mintux | what is my root password? |
| 11:26.15 | mintux | in terminal |
| 11:27.09 | fraggeln | mintux: there is none :) |
| 11:27.50 | mintux | but when I type sudo and enter it said your password is wrong |
| 11:28.06 | fraggeln | mintux: sudo gainroot |
| 11:28.42 | ZogG | mintux sudo is for password for user |
| 11:28.57 | mintux | I open the browser but speed is too low . my wireless connected but it doesn't open yahoo yet . but on my notebook yahoo open fast why ? |
| 11:28.57 | ZogG | if user in sudo group by using sudo you have to enter user password |
| 11:29.11 | ZogG | mintux why |
| 11:29.41 | mintux | why speed of connection on my phone is too low |
| 11:30.35 | pupnik | no, that's javascript |
| 11:30.43 | pupnik | turn javascript off on both computer and n900 |
| 11:30.49 | pupnik | then compare with a straight download |
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| 11:30.58 | pupnik | or flash |
| 11:31.01 | pupnik | turn that off too |
| 11:31.05 | mintux | ok I download a file now |
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| 11:31.52 | mintux | where is broswer setting to turn off javascript? |
| 11:34.06 | mintux | each address I entered a rectangle go to end and back but page doesn't open. I can open just google ( with no logo google) . how can I check my speed connection ? |
| 11:34.12 | mintux | it's too low |
| 11:34.39 | ZogG | so valve is going to make games for linux? =))) |
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| 11:35.42 | ZogG | http://cl.ly/15Yu/content |
| 11:37.19 | pupnik | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables ..... |
| 11:37.49 | fraggeln | pupnik: check the log-file, im guessing you lack a package or 2. |
| 11:38.07 | pupnik | nah i flaboozled around with cflags |
| 11:38.11 | pupnik | afaik |
| 11:39.10 | pupnik | got it nm |
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| 11:39.33 | mintux | when I put su it said must be suid to work properly |
| 11:40.08 | pupnik | ~becomeroot |
| 11:40.09 | infobot | from memory, becomeroot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 11:40.16 | summel | oO wtf |
| 11:40.33 | summel | i tried to copy a .deb file via bletooth on my n900 and got an internal error |
| 11:40.44 | summel | and now a .png file is missing from my memory card! |
| 11:40.49 | summel | >:( |
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| 11:42.21 | summel | ;_: i hate internal error |
| 11:43.17 | summel | it works fine when saving it to the built in memory rather then to the memory card... wtf? -_- |
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| 11:43.51 | pupnik | reseat card, try different card |
| 11:43.57 | summel | the card is fine |
| 11:44.13 | summel | if not then the n900 broke it -_- |
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| 11:45.33 | pupnik | summel: are you using proper nokia kernel and image? |
| 11:45.38 | summel | yes |
| 11:45.43 | summel | no devel stuff enabled |
| 11:45.47 | summel | no testing stuff enabled |
| 11:46.00 | mintux | I have problem with my connection . the speed of data is too slow . I think the internet is problem. but I have localhost here on my pc . when I open my ip of pc on n900 is take a long time to open it . what do you think? there is no javascript in index page of apache |
| 11:46.10 | summel | and i know 2 other users personaly who also have problems with theyr card and i read from a lot more |
| 11:46.32 | pupnik | mintux: i have sometimes had very slow connections to n900. you can test different powersave settings |
| 11:47.04 | mintux | pupnik: what do you mean by different powersave settings |
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| 11:47.50 | TomaszD | mintux, go to settings -> internet connections -> connections |
| 11:48.02 | TomaszD | edit your access point |
| 11:48.06 | mintux | and |
| 11:48.27 | TomaszD | press next/forward until you get to the screen with advanced settings |
| 11:48.35 | TomaszD | hit advanced |
| 11:48.48 | TomaszD | tap the last tab, "Other" |
| 11:49.06 | TomaszD | disable power saving |
| 11:49.13 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.18 | mintux | what is cellular data? |
| 11:49.33 | TomaszD | mintux, are you connected via your WLAN access point or just 3G? |
| 11:49.56 | mintux | WLAn |
| 11:50.15 | TomaszD | ok mintux, so where are you in the menus on the n900 now |
| 11:50.25 | TomaszD | did you find the settings? |
| 11:53.01 | TomaszD | go to the menu, tap Settings, then Internet connection in settings (the globe icon), then tap the Connections button, then select your access point from the list of available ones and tap Edit, then hit next, next, next until you see the Advanced button, tap Advanced, then you'll see three tabs, tap the last on (Other), and disable power saving there from the list |
| 11:53.21 | TomaszD | *last one |
| 11:53.25 | pupnik | good help TomaszD |
| 11:54.06 | TomaszD | I had issues with power saving too, but I resolved them by rebooting my access point and the phone |
| 11:54.18 | TomaszD | now it works fine with maximum power saving |
| 11:54.58 | pupnik | depends on router here |
| 11:55.21 | TomaszD | hopefully he restarted the connection lol |
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| 11:56.04 | alterego | So, unabill_yuk has been unbanned? Admittedly the past few days have been dull without him ^.^ |
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| 12:05.58 | Corsac | is there a web interface to http://vcs.maemo.org svn? |
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| 12:06.50 | alterego | Corsac: that looks like a web interface to me :P |
| 12:07.39 | Corsac | ⦠|
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| 12:08.07 | Corsac | vcs.maemo.org redirects to /git/, and when you hit /svn/ you only have the pure svn interface, not any frontend |
| 12:10.21 | X-Fade | Corsac: Go to the garage project page? |
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| 12:11.17 | Corsac | X-Fade: I don't think there's any svn frontend there |
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| 12:11.38 | Corsac | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=885 for example |
| 12:12.02 | X-Fade | Corsac: browse the ... :D |
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| 12:12.06 | X-Fade | Corsac: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=mafw |
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| 12:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 12:14.17 | fraggeln | burp.. |
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| 12:18.03 | hurbu | where i can find the optimized gcc's flag for n900 arm7? |
| 12:18.37 | hurbu | i'm reading this http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-Options.html |
| 12:18.43 | hurbu | but i cant see arm v7 |
| 12:18.44 | hurbu | :S |
| 12:19.12 | hurbu | *armv7-l |
| 12:19.18 | smoku | hurbu: http://github.com/smokku/uae4all/blob/master/Makefile.n900 |
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| 12:20.13 | hurbu | cool, thx! |
| 12:23.57 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 12:50.34 | mintux | I connected with n900 to this chann |
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| 12:51.08 | mintux | With pidgin but yahoo doesn't connected |
| 12:51.54 | mintux | Is it possible to full screen pidgin here? |
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| 12:53.34 | mintux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.28 | pigeon | does anyone know where i could find the original desktop backgrounds images? |
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| 13:00.05 | pigeon | those ones that comes with the phone, like abstract, blur, digital nature, etc |
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| 13:02.05 | mintux | Oh |
| 13:02.21 | mrglinux | mintux: test |
| 13:03.32 | mrglinux | mintux: test |
| 13:03.56 | mintux | Mintux worked |
| 13:04.27 | mintux | Mrglinux worked |
| 13:04.38 | mrglinux | ok |
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| 13:17.44 | javispedro | mooorning. |
| 13:18.38 | stskeepsie | :( |
| 13:18.49 | javispedro | hey |
| 13:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | hey |
| 13:19.15 | javispedro | evil driver isn't it |
| 13:19.27 | javispedro | at least I'm pretty sure I'd get the triangles to render without using the usb cable trick |
| 13:19.43 | javispedro | now that I have 2*700KiB more free dma memory |
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| 13:22.54 | mrglinux | what software do you suggest for gps (without need internet connection ) ? |
| 13:23.37 | smoku | GPS does not need internet connection |
| 13:23.46 | mrglinux | for maps?\ |
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| 13:24.09 | smoku | oh, maps... you should have said so... ;P |
| 13:24.39 | mrglinux | I would like download maps and use it in gps |
| 13:25.19 | smoku | you can do it with ovi maps |
| 13:25.30 | smoku | get maps downloader app |
| 13:25.41 | mrglinux | hmm |
| 13:25.42 | ShadowJK | well not *with* ovi maps |
| 13:26.09 | ShadowJK | you either need to buy a PC and Windows to run the map downloader on the PC |
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| 13:26.30 | ShadowJK | or I think there is a way to do it with n900 too but I never read those threads on t.m.o |
| 13:26.43 | mrglinux | so everyone use gps has INTERNET connection on their phone ? |
| 13:27.00 | mrglinux | I need just roads not details |
| 13:27.33 | ShadowJK | You don't need internet connection to use the gps, though internet connectivity makes the gps lock on to first fix faster |
| 13:27.47 | stskeepsie | javispedro: i still have some ideas how we can deal with the driver. |
| 13:27.54 | mrglinux | so what software do you suggest ? |
| 13:28.22 | ShadowJK | If you bought your phone from Nokia Shop in your country, N900 would come preloaded with maps for your country in Ovi Maps |
| 13:28.26 | javispedro | stskeepsie: btw, libomaplcd.so doesn't mmap /dev/omaplcd |
| 13:28.41 | mrglinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.45 | stskeepsie | no, i think it just mmaps with the mbx framework |
| 13:29.01 | edheldil | ShadowJK: actually, at least with the firmware I have, it does not lock w/o AGPS at all :( |
| 13:29.01 | stskeepsie | ie, grabs framebuffer, etc |
| 13:29.03 | javispedro | my next battery of tests will be running the test under strace and try to research any repeating pattern per frame |
| 13:29.16 | javispedro | (n8x0 is charging atm) |
| 13:29.19 | stskeepsie | javispedro: gdb a program with the debug symbol libs and break on Flip. |
| 13:29.27 | mrglinux | I moved on my phone but when I run ./a.out it said you don't have premession |
| 13:29.32 | stskeepsie | and omaplcd_ddc_process_vsyncflipUM |
| 13:29.33 | ShadowJK | edheldil, well it's almost impossible to get unassisted lock with Ovi Maps, indeed |
| 13:30.10 | ShadowJK | mrglinux, if you crosscompiled it for linux arm, sure.. |
| 13:30.32 | stskeepsie | javispedro: i'm willing to bet we'll see calls to that. |
| 13:30.33 | RST38h | helo javispedro, ShadowJK |
| 13:30.41 | javispedro | morning RST38h |
| 13:30.52 | RST38h | ShadowJK: It is quite possible, by running GPS Diagnostic Program in background |
| 13:30.58 | stskeepsie | javispedro: .. though, now i'm wondering if omaplcd is in mbxaccess binary, or loaded into a client? |
| 13:31.02 | RST38h | ShadowJK: In fact, I would recommend that |
| 13:31.07 | mrglinux | ShadowJK: I don't know what is that exactly . I write my source and compile with (g++ 2.cpp) |
| 13:31.26 | javispedro | stskeepsie: from what I gathered, libomaplcd.so gets loaded because mbxaccess.ko tells it to do so |
| 13:31.30 | ShadowJK | RST38h, sure, I know that, and that's why I qualified it with "with Ovi Maps" |
| 13:31.39 | javispedro | and mbxaccess.ko gets the libomaplcd.so soname from omalcd.ko |
| 13:32.06 | javispedro | (this is what I tried to explain in my older tmo post... ah, my beloved libomaplcd.so) |
| 13:32.09 | ShadowJK | if wiki.maemo.org search wasn't useless I'd try find the entry on how to preload Ovi Maps with maps :( |
| 13:32.27 | stskeepsie | yes, but i meant like, if it's linked into a client app or into mbxdaemon :) |
| 13:32.33 | javispedro | ah |
| 13:32.36 | javispedro | both |
| 13:32.52 | javispedro | well, not sure about client apps |
| 13:32.56 | javispedro | but sure about mbxdaemon :) |
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| 13:33.49 | ShadowJK | bought sygic maps anyway.. |
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| 13:34.52 | MiXu- | I bought the one from ovi store. Those cunning bastards left rotation feature out from the ovi store version. |
| 13:35.11 | stskeepsie | MiXu-: just upgrade it |
| 13:35.22 | ShadowJK | i don't think it's in mine either |
| 13:35.28 | stskeepsie | javispedro: you know, we could probably get this crap running if we could hook Flip() in libomaplcd.ko |
| 13:35.31 | stskeepsie | er |
| 13:35.33 | MiXu- | stskeepsie: and pay more :P |
| 13:35.34 | stskeepsie | so |
| 13:35.45 | alterego | Wow telepathy is insane |
| 13:35.47 | stskeepsie | MiXu-: i just added a repository and upgraded |
| 13:35.53 | alterego | OR is it just because I'm using the dbus interface? |
| 13:36.08 | javispedro | is tempted of killing omaplcd and starting his own |
| 13:36.10 | MiXu- | stskeepsie: Hmm. Which repo? |
| 13:36.19 | javispedro | if only.. |
| 13:36.22 | stskeepsie | MiXu-: there's a repo.sygic.com or something |
| 13:36.41 | stskeepsie | javispedro: i'm tempted to mail girish and ask if i can get access to libomaplcd.so source under NDA. |
| 13:37.14 | javispedro | stskeepsie: i was googling certain keywords and seemingly there have been third-party display class drivers other than omaplcd |
| 13:37.15 | javispedro | for the mbx |
| 13:37.20 | javispedro | so there has to be official docs written. |
| 13:37.33 | stskeepsie | actually, we see most of the structure in the kernel driver already |
| 13:37.40 | RST38h | javis: no luck there |
| 13:37.57 | javispedro | under NDA probably |
| 13:38.18 | stskeepsie | omaplcd_ddc_process_vsyncflip is the entry point for frames from the MBX driver |
| 13:38.18 | RST38h | even under nda... |
| 13:38.34 | RST38h | unless it is using imGETECH DLLS |
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| 13:38.50 | javispedro | stskeepsie: yes, I wonder how its doing kernel -> userspace callback |
| 13:39.01 | javispedro | well at this point I don't know where the dc jump table is |
| 13:39.06 | javispedro | the _real_ one. |
| 13:39.15 | stskeepsie | in libomaplcd.so |
| 13:39.15 | stskeepsie | :P |
| 13:39.22 | smoku | mrglinux: you may also download maps for ovi maps from http://symbian.clanteam.com/ with a browser |
| 13:39.39 | javispedro | stskeepsie: no, it has to import it from somewhere in order to fill it |
| 13:39.52 | javispedro | and whoever has the real memory for it allocated is the one that will be calling it. |
| 13:39.56 | stskeepsie | javispedro: hm, well, libomaplcd.ko pulls down the huge DEVINFO thing |
| 13:39.56 | mrglinux | ok |
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| 13:41.23 | RST38h | OMG, I no longer even see posts from people who joined tmo before Oct2009 |
| 13:41.43 | stskeepsie | javispedro: i wonder if we can inspect how psDevInfo->asVsyncFlips looks over tim |
| 13:41.47 | stskeepsie | e |
| 13:41.54 | stskeepsie | javispedro: any way to have vsyncflip being called regularly? |
| 13:42.38 | javispedro | in the user mode library, no idea so far; in kernel I could just do it with a custom ioctl |
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| 13:44.11 | stskeepsie | do you only get the first frame or multiple frames? |
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| 13:44.17 | javispedro | multiple |
| 13:44.28 | javispedro | btw |
| 13:44.42 | javispedro | the other day found something interesting which confirms it's doing weird things with the xorg fb |
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| 13:45.05 | javispedro | I got the rendered surface over the task navigator menu, |
| 13:45.42 | stskeepsie | heh |
| 13:45.46 | javispedro | then a brief flick of half the egl window plus the previously overwritten part of the menu |
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| 13:46.22 | javispedro | it made me think that the buffer got swapped in between the gtk drawing -- might have been a placebo so don't really believe it :) |
| 13:47.01 | stskeepsie | javispedro: i'm wondering if we can disassemble it with the debug symbols and just recompile it.. |
| 13:47.03 | mrglinux | bounce is not in application manager? |
| 13:48.03 | stskeepsie | javispedro: i mean - -technically- we just need Flip() to call a ioctl |
| 13:48.45 | javispedro | hmm |
| 13:49.04 | javispedro | that would cause exactly the same behaviour as when I manually add the omapfb push after egl* calls |
| 13:49.22 | javispedro | which was ... not pretty, as shown in the video (the random slowdowns, general slowness, leaks...) |
| 13:49.25 | bergie | interesting, according to TechCrunch a typical iPhone app sells 101K copies. Pretty similar numbers as popular Maemo Downloads apps |
| 13:49.25 | stskeepsie | well, yes |
| 13:49.58 | javispedro | is at least happy to know that I can noop the dma allocations... will help people currently with issues to load it |
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| 13:51.25 | stskeepsie | i wonder what happens if we 'just' get VsyncFlip() to be called often |
| 13:51.30 | stskeepsie | and hence our kernel Flip() |
| 13:51.46 | stskeepsie | goes look at blizzard |
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| 13:55.41 | tybollt | stskeepsie: :-o ? |
| 13:55.47 | stskeepsie | mm? |
| 13:55.47 | tybollt | is it out now? |
| 13:55.52 | stskeepsie | what is? |
| 13:56.01 | tybollt | SC2? |
| 13:56.05 | stskeepsie | sigh |
| 13:56.06 | stskeepsie | :P |
| 13:56.08 | tybollt | mejh |
| 13:56.17 | javispedro | PR1.2 |
| 13:56.25 | javispedro | needs a new workstation |
| 13:56.36 | javispedro | this one is starting to feel too old |
| 13:56.46 | stskeepsie | javispedro: on the other hand, the fact they don't switch to kernel with every single frame flip is good.. |
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| 13:57.23 | tybollt | * stskeepsie goes look at blizzard |
| 13:57.29 | javispedro | ah, no |
| 13:57.31 | stskeepsie | tybollt: LCD controller chip in n8x0 |
| 13:57.31 | tybollt | ^^^^ SC2 ffs :D |
| 13:57.39 | tybollt | stskeepsie: meh^2 :) |
| 13:58.15 | javispedro | bah, it's deadly slow just because I'm compiling some C++ in the background |
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| 14:01.47 | tybollt | javispedro: seriously - it out? |
| 14:01.59 | javispedro | dunno |
| 14:02.04 | javispedro | i'm more of an AoE guy. |
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| 14:02.11 | tybollt | 15:56 < javispedro> PR1.2 |
| 14:02.14 | tybollt | ffs! :) |
| 14:02.16 | javispedro | no! |
| 14:02.16 | stskeepsie | javispedro: in the case we actually were able to get libomaplcd source, what would we do with it? |
| 14:02.31 | tybollt | javispedro: jeebus man, you gunna kill me :) |
| 14:03.03 | javispedro | stskeepsie: other than fake deception feelings when we get to find its another stub/noop, I guess see if it's leaking like you assumed the kernel one was. |
| 14:03.05 | tybollt | *bloopressure at a rate someone pat my back I'm going to pop* |
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| 14:03.26 | javispedro | stskeepsie: because of no isr being called |
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| 14:03.57 | stskeepsie | i wonder if anyone has a OMAP2 device we could test things on, ie, how it's 'supposed' to work |
| 14:04.08 | javispedro | http://www.datasheetarchive.com/datasheet-pdf/076/DSAE0026055.html |
| 14:04.14 | javispedro | best I could get, and it doesn't help much. |
| 14:06.13 | javispedro | note also that the behaviour of the etire setup has changed after the "big split" |
| 14:06.50 | javispedro | so maybe instead of an nda you could request girish to test if they work on any other sane omap2 platform at all =) |
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| 14:07.09 | tybollt | AoE btw... innit the microsoft game? :-| |
| 14:07.36 | javispedro | (last time I asked myself this question -- for the usb host situation, I found out that no, it didn't work in any sane omap3 platform..) |
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| 14:08.53 | timeless_mbp | Age of Empires was an ms game |
| 14:08.57 | timeless_mbp | liked it too |
| 14:09.05 | tybollt | my brother played it a lot |
| 14:09.12 | tybollt | not my cup of tea |
| 14:09.27 | GAN900 | is really tired of waiting for XChat to reconnect when migrating connections. |
| 14:09.40 | tybollt | hands GAN a redbull |
| 14:09.46 | GAN900 | I lost all of my RTS skills over the years |
| 14:09.59 | GAN900 | SC2 is currently totally kicking my ass. |
| 14:10.03 | tybollt | GAN900: True - as did I |
| 14:10.16 | javispedro | never had any to begin with, so. |
| 14:10.32 | GAN900 | It's such a ridiculously fast game |
| 14:10.41 | GAN900 | Faster than nearly any FPS |
| 14:10.47 | tybollt | GAN900: still zergling rush that FTW |
| 14:10.48 | tybollt | ? |
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| 14:10.56 | stskeepsie | javispedro: OK, so, we agree that what we need to do is 1) hack Flip in userspace -and- to send a window update for the particular area and 2) tie VsyncFlip to the completion of window updates? |
| 14:11.10 | GAN900 | Eh |
| 14:11.18 | GAN900 | Depends on how stupid people are |
| 14:11.28 | tybollt | I'm plenty stupid - you'll be impressed ;) |
| 14:11.29 | stskeepsie | hack flip in userspace -and- kernel space :P |
| 14:11.54 | javispedro | wait, did not do the gdb test yet |
| 14:11.58 | stskeepsie | k |
| 14:11.59 | GAN900 | Workers can beat it off a lot of the time. |
| 14:12.06 | tybollt | ah olrite |
| 14:12.28 | tybollt | I'd usually counter one attack w/ workers - not the next |
| 14:12.45 | tybollt | I always prefered the protss ;) |
| 14:13.42 | tybollt | "eCoach currently supports FRWD B600 and Zephyr HxM heart rate monitors." |
| 14:13.44 | tybollt | uhm |
| 14:13.53 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: What's this for? |
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| 14:19.18 | GAN900 | How much are the eCoach heartbeat monitors these days? |
| 14:20.09 | Sampppa | i think it is still close to 100euros |
| 14:20.12 | GAN900 | is going to get back into running this Summer. |
| 14:20.19 | GAN900 | Too much, then. |
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| 14:20.22 | Sampppa | Zephyr one |
| 14:20.40 | Sampppa | yeah someone should start selling cheap HRM's :) |
| 14:20.57 | ShadowJK | huh, how do I copy text from modest |
| 14:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, 100bucks sounds way too much |
| 14:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: xerox? |
| 14:23.14 | javispedro | stskeepsie: ok, back to doing tests. for some reason, I cannot run the sample without having the usb cable at boot trick even with the noop memory allocations |
| 14:23.37 | javispedro | it just bus errors |
| 14:23.46 | javispedro | and kills mbxdaemon |
| 14:23.56 | luke-jr | javispedro: can you send me the blobs? |
| 14:24.04 | javispedro | they're public now iirc |
| 14:24.25 | Disconnect | weird issue - my n900 stopped seeing my local wifi. sees the neighbors (including another wpa2) but not mine. not sure if its related to the power-user kernel or the pc connectivity (which screwed up half of everything, so it wouldn't be a surprise) .. any suggestions? |
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| 14:24.47 | javispedro | luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/MBX_drivers_status |
| 14:24.47 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.50 | tybollt | hmm |
| 14:24.50 | tybollt | :S |
| 14:25.49 | luke-jr | javispedro: I don't want to email TI |
| 14:26.07 | stskeepsie | too bad |
| 14:26.18 | tybollt | considering (if you're old and w/ a heart condition) HRM (watch based ones) are free as medical shitz in .se, well... |
| 14:26.40 | luke-jr | also, Portage isn't capable of automating that process |
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| 14:28.49 | mintux | my n900 hanged in sms page . desktop hanged and they key just vibrate the phone. I have access with ssh to phone |
| 14:28.56 | mintux | how can I kill that? |
| 14:29.05 | javispedro | luke-jr: you mostly have to pray to the goods to make them do anything either way. Seems only my n810 and fanoush's have them working in any half reasonsable state. |
| 14:29.21 | luke-jr | what's the filename, at least? |
| 14:29.22 | javispedro | *gods |
| 14:29.27 | mintux | if i be in ubuntu do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 14:30.00 | luke-jr | javispedro: I haven't the slightest interest in making them do anything, anyway... |
| 14:30.10 | luke-jr | just playing around for completeness |
| 14:30.17 | mintux | it's my proccess http://codepad.org/5FXim27V |
| 14:30.30 | mintux | help please . what should I do now? |
| 14:30.52 | tybollt | mintux: reboot? |
| 14:31.10 | mintux | can I restart desktop? |
| 14:31.24 | tybollt | killall hildon-application-manager |
| 14:32.00 | mintux | killall: hildon-application-manager: no process killed |
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| 14:33.00 | tybollt | ehr |
| 14:33.05 | tybollt | killall hildon-desktop |
| 14:33.06 | tybollt | sorry |
| 14:34.09 | mintux | worked |
| 14:34.14 | GAN900 | Zephyr HxM is $99 |
| 14:34.20 | GAN900 | Not so bad |
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| 14:35.25 | mintux | wheh I rotate my phone display doesn't rotate |
| 14:35.32 | tybollt | GAN900: where? Mucho interested |
| 14:35.54 | tybollt | mintux: it happens, try to reboot your phone |
| 14:35.57 | GAN900 | http://www.zephyr-technology.com/9600.0112.html |
| 14:36.21 | GAN900 | tybollt, haven't gotten around to looking anywhere else yet. |
| 14:36.37 | tybollt | GAN900: all I need to know is whether they'll deliver to .se :) |
| 14:36.57 | GAN900 | tybollt, doubtful |
| 14:37.17 | tybollt | mintux: Ehr wait - just what the hell are you expecting the device to do there? |
| 14:37.31 | tybollt | you're not talking phone GUI on rotate are you? |
| 14:37.40 | javispedro | stupid failures on initialization |
| 14:38.25 | mintux | tybollt: when rotate it . the display changed to horizontal or vertical |
| 14:38.34 | kpoman | hi all ! |
| 14:38.55 | kpoman | javispedro: I managed to partition and have debian on an ext3 partition of my minisd :) seems to work fine |
| 14:39.15 | tybollt | kpoman: you're booting into debian? :-o |
| 14:39.25 | tybollt | os isat easydebian? |
| 14:39.46 | javispedro | stskeepsie: I still have to ponder where the pvr2d fits into all of this. it is one of the functions that appears most when randomly breaking using gdb |
| 14:39.51 | kpoman | tybollt: easydebian chroot, but now on a real partition instead of image file |
| 14:40.07 | tybollt | ok |
| 14:40.26 | kpoman | tybollt: I was running out of space so I did that |
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| 14:40.52 | kpoman | resize2fs bugged and didnt want to really shrink the fake fs |
| 14:40.57 | mintux | my phone has problem? I reboot it . but when i am in items or every where when I rotate the display doesn't rotate to vertically or horizontally |
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| 14:41.45 | mgedmin | wheee, I made hildon-desktop crash |
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| 14:41.55 | TriztFromWork | ~pr1.2 |
| 14:41.56 | infobot | well, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 14:41.59 | mgedmin | by quickly double-tapping the X icon of an incoming message in the task switcher |
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| 14:42.11 | kamui_ | anyone using pr 1.2 and able to use the Conversations widget? |
| 14:42.13 | tybollt | TriztFromWork: please, think of my bloodpressure |
| 14:42.35 | TriztFromWork | has anyone made a wdiget lock application? |
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| 14:43.29 | TriztFromWork | I just tried to save some time, instead of asking and then get someone else to do the ~pr1.2 before kicking me, so I did it myself |
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| 14:46.11 | mintux | my root total is 227 meg and used 165 meg and only 58mb free. is it enough ? |
| 14:46.17 | mintux | for installing softwares |
| 14:46.51 | mintux | ? |
| 14:47.08 | valdyn | mintux: yes |
| 14:47.31 | javispedro | strace reveals no movement other than X11 per frame |
| 14:48.09 | javispedro | and quite a lot of times() syscall which I have my suspicions about.. |
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| 14:50.13 | TriztFromWork | 58mb free? damn, I haven't had anything near that for ages |
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| 14:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/i2c# df -h / |
| 14:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 198.1M 25.6M 89% / |
| 14:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | and quite happy with that |
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| 14:55.17 | BCMM | talking of free space, is it possible to move /opt/ to an EXT3 formatted microSD? |
| 14:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | basically yes |
| 14:55.49 | tybollt | long as you don't fuck w/ the fat partition |
| 14:55.52 | BCMM | (i don't need to yet, but it might be useful at some point) |
| 14:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | but would seriously feckup your phone when removing uSD |
| 14:56.00 | tybollt | since that'll screw your usb mass storage |
| 14:56.20 | BCMM | yeah, i'm presuming that the SD doesn't move |
| 14:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: also you need to mount ext3 uSD "manually" |
| 14:56.34 | BCMM | is the FAT at the start or end of the device? |
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| 14:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | errr wut? |
| 14:57.05 | BCMM | oh, it isn't on the same device as opt? |
| 14:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | the FAT itself? |
| 14:57.19 | BCMM | the FAT partition |
| 14:57.22 | BCMM | i meant |
| 14:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | which one |
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| 14:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | /home ? |
| 14:57.59 | BCMM | i think i need to look at mount output for a bit |
| 14:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like a plan |
| 14:58.47 | BCMM | am i right in thinking that MyDocs is a vfat partition on the same "disk" as /home/? |
| 14:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why anybody would want to move /opt from eMMC to uSD :-o |
| 14:59.09 | kpoman | guys, is it safe to do apt-get autoremove ? |
| 14:59.11 | BCMM | one might run out of space :) |
| 14:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | then resize the /home partition |
| 14:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: and yes you're right |
| 15:00.14 | javispedro | stskeepsie: interesting in the output of any gdb command? I've breaked on the client, which seemingly does not dlopened libomaplcd.so |
| 15:00.30 | javispedro | it links with egl, srv_um, pvrX11WSEGL and pvr2d.so |
| 15:00.30 | BCMM | since it is at the start of the device, the size of MyDocs is presumably flexible |
| 15:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: ask SpeedEvil - he created a second ext-fs on a partition he took from the MyDocs FAT |
| 15:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway making a backup prior to changing partitioning is highly recommended, no other concerns with repartitioning other than that |
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| 15:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | ooops BCMM ^^^, sorry for highlight SpeedEvil |
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| 15:04.19 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 15:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: if you backup your MyDocs, cretate a tar archive of /home, then copy /home/opt and /home/user to uSD ext3 and umount && mount bind the /home and /opt, then you should be free to umount the whole eMMC and change partitions and makefs.???, then do the inverse copying/untarring to restore the content to the new partitions |
| 15:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | in case anything fails you got the tar archive of /home and the MyDocs backup |
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| 15:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: check ruskie's HowTo for partitioning |
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| 15:26.17 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: I just tarred up mydocs onto /home - deleted mydocs - recreated at size of 4G - and created a new partition in hte empty space |
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| 15:34.12 | Shoruken | looks like the internet died |
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| 15:34.41 | Shoruken | yeah just you and me here |
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| 15:36.16 | SpeedEvil | waves. |
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| 15:41.23 | Trewas | anybody know if/how direction of north can be locked in ovi maps? the map direction changing randomly makes it pretty much unusable while walking around |
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| 15:45.08 | timeless_mbp | Trewas: i believe it's a feature |
| 15:45.16 | timeless_mbp | they want to make you dizzy :) |
| 15:45.29 | andre__ | Trewas: I think you can click the "North" icon and then it locks. let me try |
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| 15:47.01 | Trewas | maybe it's useful feature for a navigator in car, but when using it as a map when walking the north must always be up or it gets way too confusing |
| 15:47.28 | Trewas | and IME it does not lock when changing the direction with north-icon |
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| 15:47.47 | andre__ | Trewas, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8126#c6 |
| 15:47.48 | povbot | Bug 8126: OVI Maps spins when not Moving |
| 15:49.13 | timeless_mbp | Trewas: as i said, they want to make you dizzy |
| 15:49.41 | Trewas | andre__: thanks for the hint |
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| 15:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: heh, there's actually an idea to "have a bot monitor IRC to calculate contributions/post for karma" - damn, and I thought you're kidding X-P |
| 15:55.42 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: that idea has been around for quite some time |
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| 15:55.47 | SpeedEvil | hopes that comes to fruition. |
| 15:55.55 | SpeedEvil | could do with owning 32% of nokia. |
| 15:56.00 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 15:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: obvious problem: how to avoid spamers get the highest karma scores ;-D |
| 15:56.21 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: there's quite a few people who "work behind the scenes", not being overly active on the mailing lists or TMO, but still bounce a lot of ideas on IRC |
| 15:56.27 | crashanddie | hey Khertan, how's it going? |
| 15:56.28 | Shoruken | you sound like a redditor |
| 15:56.32 | Khertan | DocScrutinizer : use spamassassin |
| 15:56.42 | javispedro | well, you send them a free device with a specially crafted version of jrbme --- booooom! |
| 15:57.00 | crashanddie | Shoruken: who? |
| 15:57.08 | Khertan | crashanddie: i m fine ... except that i didnt understand most of my pyqt problem |
| 15:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yep, I know a few of those ;-) |
| 15:57.22 | Shoruken | crashanddie: DocScrutinizer does |
| 15:57.43 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 15:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~scramble redditor |
| 15:57.48 | crashanddie | Shoruken: yeah, he used to be a cunt in a previous life too |
| 15:57.50 | Khertan | crashanddie : and you ? |
| 15:57.57 | Shoruken | lol |
| 15:57.59 | SpeedEvil | My battery has become unreliable. It occasionally resets when jarred. |
| 15:58.06 | SpeedEvil | I suspect tin/lead contamination of the contacts. |
| 15:58.08 | javispedro | aim for cover! |
| 15:58.09 | crashanddie | Khertan: not too bad. Link to code? |
| 15:58.24 | Khertan | http://gitorious.org/khteditor |
| 15:58.24 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:58.34 | Khertan | kinetic scrolling not working |
| 15:58.44 | crashanddie | Khertan: still looking for a job, started review of some PHP project. They were priding themselves of only having 6 unresolved bugs in their bugtracker, now they have just under a hundred |
| 15:59.07 | Shoruken | lol |
| 15:59.07 | Khertan | .) |
| 15:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: talking gibberish? |
| 15:59.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 15:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | battery resets??? |
| 15:59.21 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes. |
| 15:59.26 | crashanddie | Khertan: I was hoping for a more specific link ;) |
| 15:59.47 | Khertan | oh ...2s |
| 15:59.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Some solder may have somehow gotten onto the battery pins. Which is upsetting the battery. |
| 16:00.16 | Trewas | that nokia maps .js file is vvery nicely formatted at least when trying to modify it using n900, four lines and over 900k characters :) |
| 16:00.20 | Shapeshifter | is there a simple cli xml parser available for maemo 5? |
| 16:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what might characterize an upset battery |
| 16:00.29 | ZogG | lightpark can be nice alternative for flash for maemo |
| 16:00.30 | ZogG | allievi.sssup.it/techblog/?p=260 |
| 16:00.41 | ZogG | lightspark* |
| 16:00.48 | crashanddie | Trewas: ever heard of js optimisation? |
| 16:00.58 | Khertan | http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/editor.py is it beter ? |
| 16:01.05 | Khertan | the QTextEdit isn t fingerscrollable :( |
| 16:01.29 | Trewas | crashanddie: I guess they don't expect it used to be as a configuration file... |
| 16:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also how the hell did you manage to get slder on battery contacts? :-o |
| 16:02.01 | crashanddie | Khertan: did you see this: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7607?page=com.googlecode.jira-suite-utilities%3Atransitions-summary-tabpanel |
| 16:02.01 | Khertan | also i didnt understand too why when clicking on toolbar button action isn t triggered on : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/window_editor.py |
| 16:03.13 | Khertan | uh no didn t see it before thx for the link |
| 16:03.39 | Khertan | ouch just see comment ! |
| 16:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict redditor |
| 16:03.46 | Khertan | this is a wontfix |
| 16:03.53 | Khertan | it s sucks ! |
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| 16:04.07 | Khertan | it s like for extensions hidden in dialog ! |
| 16:04.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was attempting to measure Rs - but found that my PSU wasn't up to it. |
| 16:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 16:05.06 | Khertan | if it s really a won't fix it ll be time to stop learning qt ... |
| 16:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please elaborate on the symptoms you got now. I have no idea what "upset battery" means |
| 16:05.47 | javispedro | anyone thinks ltrace might run on a n8x0? what kernel requeriments does it have? |
| 16:06.05 | Khertan | ok ... bug report stats as invalid ... |
| 16:06.06 | javispedro | oh, it's even in extras. |
| 16:06.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: When the phone is tapped - it will sometimes shut down. Or if in charge mode, the charger reports 'no battery' |
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| 16:06.19 | crashanddie | Khertan: can you check if the object has that property available? |
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| 16:06.32 | Khertan | crashanddie : why does they take so stupid decision ? |
| 16:06.45 | crashanddie | because they're finish'd |
| 16:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: contact problems, not related to batery directly, more to the way the device "sees" the battery |
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| 16:07.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's the contacts. |
| 16:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:07.31 | crashanddie | Khertan: use QTextEdit.dynamicPropertyNames() to get a list of properties |
| 16:07.37 | crashanddie | Khertan: make sure that property exists |
| 16:07.57 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: The contact resistance is also uncertain at times. - up to a sizable fraction of an ohm. |
| 16:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: *carefully* remove all the solder to expose the hardened gold plating |
| 16:08.08 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I know. |
| 16:08.25 | Khertan | crashanddie : i m looking thx |
| 16:08.30 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was tired of screwing around and trying to improvise a clamp connection. |
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| 16:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: remember tin/Pb is a very "weak" metal (wrt to acid etc) and gold quite innert |
| 16:09.16 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Indeed - but I'm not putting acid near it, for obvious reasons. |
| 16:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah |
| 16:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | so I'd try with 4000 sandpaper |
| 16:10.41 | crashanddie | Khertan: why are you not passing the parent to QTextEdit? QtGui.QTextEdit.__init__(self, parent) |
| 16:10.41 | Khertan | crashanddie : [PyQt4.QtCore.QByteArray('kineticScroller')] |
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| 16:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: but first use desolering wick |
| 16:11.36 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | then "pollish" away the remaining Sn/Pb until the shiny gold shows |
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| 16:12.32 | SpeedEvil | Sounds plausible. |
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| 16:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'd hope for Pb and Sn being less hard than hardened gold plating, but wouldn't rely on it |
| 16:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | so be *very* carefull not to end with bare blank steel contacts |
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| 16:13.47 | Khertan | crashanddie:don t know why :) |
| 16:14.39 | crashanddie | Khertan: and why in keyPressEvent() are you calling QtGui.QTextEdit.keyPressEvent(self, e) rather than self.keyPressEvent(self, e) ? |
| 16:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw thanks for the warning. I'd fall into same pitfall |
| 16:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | probably |
| 16:15.52 | SpeedEvil | gold plating partially dissolved by solder |
| 16:16.27 | Khertan | hum because self.keyPressEvent is already trap in this method ... |
| 16:16.47 | Khertan | but hum maybe not a good idea after all |
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| 16:17.10 | crashanddie | Khertan: hmm, true |
| 16:17.12 | Khertan | this app look more as a prototype currently |
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| 16:17.59 | Khertan | as you can see there is a start of plugin implementation system |
| 16:18.05 | Khertan | many commented tries :) |
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| 16:18.15 | Khertan | i m just beginning learning qt |
| 16:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: dammit |
| 16:18.16 | lcuk | Khertan, can you do kinetics and editing on the same textbox? |
| 16:18.18 | Khertan | :( |
| 16:18.33 | lcuk | whenever i tried the actions would get muddy |
| 16:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: re-galvanize ? |
| 16:18.53 | Khertan | lcuk : on qt4.5 yes ... on 4.6 no : seems they call that a feature ... :( |
| 16:18.54 | lcuk | so it would try and select when i wanted to pan and pan when i wanted to select (ages ago in liqbase) so i dropped it |
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| 16:19.13 | Khertan | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7607?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel |
| 16:19.33 | Khertan | lcuk : i like the way it s done in xterm |
| 16:19.47 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was planning on trying removing as much as I could easily, then add a little grease to help prevent fretting. |
| 16:19.55 | Khertan | or like in pygtkeditor ... just use shift arrow |
| 16:19.57 | Khertan | but here seems there is now way |
| 16:20.14 | lcuk | Khertan, switching modes sure |
| 16:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: or... hmmm... apply good liquid flux, dry, rub on several layers flat gold, heat |
| 16:20.49 | Khertan | yep but it s seems that switching is not possible for editable text |
| 16:20.49 | Khertan | :( |
| 16:21.11 | lcuk | Khertan, switch between showing data in QTextBrowser and QTextArea |
| 16:21.20 | lcuk | browser is kinetic |
| 16:21.23 | lcuk | area isnt |
| 16:21.29 | lcuk | one is editable, the other not |
| 16:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: probably scratch the flux part |
| 16:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just clean it like mad |
| 16:22.03 | lcuk | of course a flag to allow that just on the fly would be just as effective |
| 16:22.28 | Khertan | lcuk : but i like scrolling while editing |
| 16:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: then apply those thin flat gold paper thingies - dunno the correct name |
| 16:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | heat to maybe 500°C |
| 16:22.54 | Khertan | why does they doesn t just dev choice what they want to do |
| 16:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | to fritt it to the Sn/Pb |
| 16:22.57 | Khertan | this sucks |
| 16:23.08 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: gilding |
| 16:23.10 | lcuk | rephrase Khertan |
| 16:23.13 | Khertan | this is like hidding extension of file in dialog |
| 16:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aah thanks |
| 16:23.22 | Khertan | for some purpose it usefull |
| 16:23.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'll try more normal measures first |
| 16:23.41 | crashanddie | Khertan: he wants to be able to scroll on the fly, not have to switch modes manually |
| 16:23.53 | crashanddie | err, lcuk ^ |
| 16:23.56 | lcuk | how do you select if you are also scrolling? |
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| 16:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I also thought about a good Pb free silver solder |
| 16:24.20 | Khertan | i mean : they should let dev choice if they want scrollable or selecting in editable qtextedit |
| 16:24.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm unsure what ones don't form gold intermetallics. |
| 16:24.39 | lcuk | Khertan, override the methodthen |
| 16:24.42 | lcuk | its not rocket science |
| 16:24.43 | andemoni | is there a way to get higher bpp than the default 16 in an app running on the n900? |
| 16:24.50 | Khertan | rewrite paintevent ? |
| 16:24.53 | lcuk | but i mean other people |
| 16:25.01 | lcuk | kinetics arent in paint |
| 16:25.03 | lcuk | they are mouse events |
| 16:25.10 | mintux | pidgin doesn't connect to yahoo why ? |
| 16:25.11 | lcuk | with a timer or something |
| 16:25.14 | lcuk | waves hands |
| 16:25.17 | Khertan | if i use a framework it s not for rewritting everythings myself |
| 16:25.18 | javispedro | andemoni: it's not easy, and we do not know if the actual display is capable of more than 16bpp |
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| 16:25.36 | lcuk | Khertan, no but you want some behaviour that doesnt happen now |
| 16:25.47 | lcuk | so the way to achieve that in an open framework is to make it do it |
| 16:25.50 | andemoni | currently gradients look completely rubbish on the n900 by default, so any suggestions (even if it's a hacky one) are appreciated |
| 16:25.50 | Khertan | will probably avoid qt for future dev |
| 16:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: honestly that's a real bummer. I'd bite my own arse |
| 16:26.07 | lcuk | subclass the textbox make some new slots and bob is metaphorically your relative |
| 16:26.28 | andemoni | if it's physically not possible due to the display's limitations then that's it, i suppose :) |
| 16:26.31 | Khertan | lcuk : it was doing it in qt 4.5 |
| 16:26.52 | Khertan | but just to follow stupid ui guideline they remove it |
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| 16:27.32 | andemoni | (just to clarify: i'm not using the compositor as the app's running fullscreen) |
| 16:27.36 | Khertan | so it let me think they will take other stupid decision in the future |
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| 16:27.57 | lcuk | so make a nice writeup about how nice it was in 4.5 and that you would like to find a way to retain that behaviour - even if none default behind a flag somewhere |
| 16:28.07 | lcuk | or bitch at them for making decisions |
| 16:28.17 | lcuk | whichever you think will make it work for you |
| 16:28.18 | javispedro | andemoni: panel is ACX565AKM; with unknown specs |
| 16:28.37 | andemoni | lcuk: disable the kinetic scroll component yourself then? |
| 16:28.39 | mintux | what messenger should I use for yahoo |
| 16:28.48 | lcuk | andemoni, its the other way round |
| 16:29.02 | lcuk | on the textview for qt 4.6 it does not kinetic pan by default |
| 16:29.07 | crashanddie | mintux: depends, do you need overnight or is two-three business day acceptable? |
| 16:29.10 | lcuk | because the user selection comes first i guess |
| 16:29.26 | mintux | crashanddie: second is better |
| 16:29.30 | andemoni | indeed it does not, but there's that example on the maemo5 platform notes page that enables it, as was referenced before |
| 16:29.41 | crashanddie | mintux: just go with your local post express package then |
| 16:29.58 | mintux | can I find in app manger? |
| 16:30.11 | lcuk | andemoni, would you care to show Khertan where this said example is please. |
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| 16:30.33 | lcuk | so he can continue developing happily without getting anxious. |
| 16:30.34 | Khertan | lcuk : in qt4.5 it was disable by default .. but can be activated by an attribute |
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| 16:31.04 | andemoni | certainly: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-textedit.html |
| 16:31.09 | Khertan | on qt 4.6 it disabled .... attribute do nothing and doesn t seems to be a bug but a feature : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7607?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel |
| 16:31.12 | andemoni | if that's what you wanted |
| 16:31.27 | mintux | I know pidgin must be update . but question can I install pidgin on pidgin website on my n900" |
| 16:31.28 | mintux | ? |
| 16:31.58 | crashanddie | mintux: install Pidgin protocols for Conversations and Contacts from the app manager |
| 16:32.32 | Khertan | andemoni : documentation seems outdated |
| 16:32.59 | andemoni | on what part? |
| 16:33.26 | frals | hmm |
| 16:33.38 | frals | to promote fmms to extras or not to promote before pr1.2 is the question |
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| 16:34.42 | Khertan | ". This allows the user to use finger scrolling to scroll the entire QScrollArea, independend on whether he scrolls on the text edit or some other control." |
| 16:36.11 | Khertan | andemoni : but maybe i m not doing thing the right way ... i m not a qt expert |
| 16:36.49 | Khertan | http://gitorious.org/khteditor/ source here |
| 16:37.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | frals: pr1.2?? :-o |
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| 16:39.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | frals: why link a nice app like fmms to a vaporware like 1.2? That's not fair :-P |
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| 16:44.23 | frals | DocScrutinizer: hehe, well, pr1.2 brings the mms settings to the phone, otherwise the user has to config it himself... and experience has taught me that users can not be trusted to do that :( |
| 16:44.41 | javispedro | envisions the tmo chaos that would ensue |
| 16:44.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | never trust the user |
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| 16:45.22 | mikki-kun | anybody an idea why certain emails lack utf8? |
| 16:45.26 | Shoruken | this is 2nd time this has happened today, my phone just plays whatever song is on media player instead of ringing |
| 16:45.50 | mikki-kun | i can see my mails just fine when i login to gmail but as soon as they are downloaded i can't see any äöü anymore |
| 16:45.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | what about just popping up a modal requester for the settings in postinstall? |
| 16:46.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | frals: ^ |
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| 16:46.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | kinda like ssh asks for root password |
| 16:47.02 | X-Fade | That should not be done on install. |
| 16:47.07 | X-Fade | That is a first run question. |
| 16:47.37 | X-Fade | Anyway, postinstall modals are evil. |
| 16:47.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: when is fist-run of a daemon? |
| 16:47.57 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: For sshd it is ok, but fmms is a gui app. |
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| 16:48.25 | X-Fade | Although when you flash your device a lot, like me. All modals during re-install are *evil* |
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| 16:48.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, can't see why it isn't siutable for fmms |
| 16:48.56 | mikki-kun | X-Fade: it's never ok to make a rootlogin via SSH available imo |
| 16:48.59 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: The first time you run it, it will pop up anyway ;) |
| 16:49.44 | GAN900 | X-Fade, quit installing leaked firmwares. :P |
| 16:50.02 | X-Fade | GAN900: Heh, they aren't leaked ;) |
| 16:50.16 | GAN900 | Yeah, so YOU claim. |
| 16:51.11 | X-Fade | ;) |
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| 16:52.07 | andrewfblack | wonders in |
| 16:52.32 | dmj726 | Has anyone gotten the sdk working in lucid? |
| 16:53.23 | ManoftheSea | wanders? |
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| 16:55.27 | andre__ | dmj726, what exactly does not work for you? |
| 16:55.48 | dmj726 | It seems to be failing at installing scratchbox. |
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| 16:58.21 | dmj726 | http://pastebin.com/rmqPk6nj |
| 16:58.30 | dmj726 | there's the relevant part of the log file. |
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| 17:00.04 | trumee | anybody using pptp? |
| 17:00.29 | trumee | it works fine with wifi but doesnt work with 3g. |
| 17:00.40 | GAN900 | andre__, how's 3.4 coming along? |
| 17:01.18 | trumee | guess it might be this bug, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52986 |
| 17:01.36 | trumee | any experts on routing? |
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| 17:02.26 | trumee | i cant seem to work out how route works :( |
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| 17:04.16 | ManoftheSea | what about route? |
| 17:04.40 | ManoftheSea | Like, route add default gateway [gw-addr] iface [interface] |
| 17:04.44 | dmj726_n900 | opps...just killed x |
| 17:05.24 | trumee | ManoftheSea: yup, i dont know what routes to add. |
| 17:06.02 | trumee | ManoftheSea: i thought i added the correct route but then my ping stopped working |
| 17:06.38 | ManoftheSea | then you probably didn't add the correct route. |
| 17:06.44 | ManoftheSea | OR the gateway doesn't pass ping |
| 17:07.01 | ManoftheSea | Is your gateway forwarding traffic? |
| 17:07.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah, gpsjinni update fixed insane 'speed' display |
| 17:07.18 | trumee | ManoftheSea: with wifi pptp works fine, but with 3g it doesnt |
| 17:07.18 | ManoftheSea | cool |
| 17:07.37 | ManoftheSea | cool is for DocScrutinizer51 |
| 17:07.48 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51 ? |
| 17:07.51 | lcuk | too fast? |
| 17:07.55 | ManoftheSea | trumee: I don't know if I can help about the tunnel. |
| 17:08.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | err? |
| 17:08.09 | trumee | ManoftheSea: i dont have to touch route with wifi pptp but need to mess iwith it with 3g |
| 17:08.28 | ManoftheSea | well, it may be related to the bug you posted. |
| 17:08.47 | trumee | ManoftheSea: yes, i think it is indeed. |
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| 17:09.22 | trumee | i did use the add_default_route.sh listed in the bug report but that didnt help |
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| 17:10.01 | trumee | not sure if that add_default_route should be used before or after setting up vpn! |
| 17:10.04 | ManoftheSea | can you PM me your route table on wifi and then on 3G, with the pptp up? |
| 17:10.16 | ManoftheSea | PM because it's spam to the rest of the room. |
| 17:10.31 | trumee | yup. just a sec. will login into a proper computer |
| 17:10.52 | ManoftheSea | I can't promise anything. |
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| 17:11.49 | andre__ | GAN900: best to ask Karsten. I don't/can't track it |
| 17:12.06 | GAN900 | andre__, mmm |
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| 17:32.25 | wutr | Hi, I'm new to maemo. Does anyone know some good reading material about using it and maybe some recommended tweaks / apps? |
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| 17:34.01 | andre__ | wutr, I assume you're a user? :) |
| 17:34.15 | andre__ | maybe check talk.maemo.org. or go to http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ and take a look |
| 17:35.30 | wutr | Uh, I'm somewhat experienced with linux as well |
| 17:35.43 | wutr | if that's what you mean? |
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| 17:36.22 | ManoftheSea | wutr, what would you want for tweaks? |
| 17:36.29 | ManoftheSea | Do you mean to make it fast, useable? |
| 17:36.34 | wutr | useable |
| 17:36.38 | t-tan | has anybody already tried this http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Dump_and_Restore_rootfs_Image ? |
| 17:36.39 | wutr | more usable |
| 17:36.52 | ManoftheSea | As for apps... enable extras-testing and look through it. |
| 17:37.00 | andre__ | errrm. |
| 17:37.15 | andre__ | ManoftheSea, no? |
| 17:37.31 | andre__ | if at all, please first read the big warning at the top of http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing . |
| 17:37.36 | ManoftheSea | andre__: er, sorry. |
| 17:37.39 | ManoftheSea | I meant just extras. |
| 17:37.43 | andre__ | ah. okay :) |
| 17:37.48 | ManoftheSea | he's right, testing is not for "useable" |
| 17:37.53 | wutr | haha |
| 17:37.57 | ManoftheSea | It's for "slightly more stable than unstable" |
| 17:38.58 | wutr | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras ? |
| 17:39.30 | ManoftheSea | yeah, that's the community "app-store". |
| 17:39.58 | wutr | sweet, |
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| 17:42.02 | wutr | extras-testing seems to be useful as well.. |
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| 17:42.52 | wutr | maybe a stupid question, but I receive my N900 tomorrow, is reflashing the same as a "hard reset" I used to perform on S60 devices? |
| 17:42.57 | andre__ | and you might want to check Ovi Store too (well, if it works). some stuff in there is for free and can be fun (e.g. Bounce) |
| 17:43.22 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 17:43.45 | ManoftheSea | pff. All the coolest games are available by emulation. |
| 17:43.45 | SpeedEvil | It wipes all applications, but does not touch files in your home directory |
| 17:43.54 | SpeedEvil | this is where stuff like contacts are stored |
| 17:44.01 | ManoftheSea | c64, amiga, nes, snes, genesis, master system, etc |
| 17:44.18 | GAN900 | wutr, http://wiki.maemo.org |
| 17:44.23 | SpeedEvil | It wipes the filesystem of / to be specific - 256M device - /home is 2G |
| 17:44.35 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 17:44.36 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:45.37 | wutr | was browsing the wiki a bit indeed, but I manage to end up at really advanced topics all the time |
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| 17:46.12 | ManoftheSea | wutr, what are you looking for info on/ |
| 17:46.51 | ManoftheSea | wutr: as andre__ said, extras-testing is just for slightly more stable apps. They may not crash your phone, but they may not 'work' |
| 17:47.45 | wutr | actually everything I can find about maemo, but I have to start somewhere, right? |
| 17:48.49 | ManoftheSea | heh. |
| 17:48.57 | ManoftheSea | Yeah, watching this room is fun then, too. |
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| 17:49.11 | ManoftheSea | I believe most people that talk regularly are active developers for maemo |
| 17:49.21 | wutr | thats why I dug up the old mIRC ;) |
| 17:49.27 | ManoftheSea | luke-jr, DocScrutinizer51 can probably elaborate on that. |
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| 17:49.38 | wutr | And you? |
| 17:49.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | not now in a hurry ttyl |
| 17:49.56 | ManoftheSea | I'd like to, but am too lazy to really learn. |
| 17:50.06 | wutr | :/ |
| 17:50.07 | ManoftheSea | learn by doing, I mean. |
| 17:50.21 | wutr | that's how it's done.. |
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| 17:50.31 | wutr | might need some basic skills though |
| 17:50.53 | ManoftheSea | Like, I learned about signals and slots in college... but haven't done it in a while. |
| 17:51.04 | kpoman | hey to all ! can someone help me get this http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-ttf2.0-dev/ on my scratchbox ? |
| 17:51.33 | Stskeeps | dneary: what meeting tonight? |
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| 17:51.46 | dneary | Stskeeps, TSG |
| 17:51.49 | Stskeeps | it's tuesday |
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| 17:52.07 | dneary | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule |
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| 17:52.13 | dneary | Yes. It's Tuesday |
| 17:52.28 | Stskeeps | 19th is tomorrow ;) |
| 17:52.45 | dneary | But tomorrow is Wednesday |
| 17:52.55 | Stskeeps | yes, and tsg meetings are on wednesdays |
| 17:53.07 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 17:53.15 | wutr | @ManoftheSea don't know anything about that, sadly.. but I probably will discover it while learning Qt |
| 17:53.16 | dneary | Stskeeps, I got it :) |
| 17:53.19 | Stskeeps | i got doubting if it was -really- tuesday today |
| 17:53.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:53.36 | wutr | IRC skills are a bit dusty as well... |
| 17:53.52 | GAN900 | wutr, http://planet.maemo.org |
| 17:53.57 | dneary | Since "Yes, it's Tuesday" I've been pulling the mickey |
| 17:53.59 | ManoftheSea | wutr... If I remember right... Qt will split your app into threads. One does the GUI, another does "real work" |
| 17:54.00 | GAN900 | wutr, http://mwkn.net too |
| 17:54.08 | dneary | Late on announcing the brainstorm |
| 17:54.13 | dneary | Day bled out on me |
| 17:54.17 | ManoftheSea | So your GUI components will emit signals, like "clicked" |
| 17:54.27 | pupnik_ | Tue May 18 20:54:25 GMT-3 2010 |
| 17:54.32 | pupnik_ | whoah! |
| 17:54.33 | ManoftheSea | While your "do stuff" classes will have slots |
| 17:55.07 | ManoftheSea | you connect them together, then in your app when the "Go" button is clicked, it emits clicked(), and anything attached acts on it. |
| 17:55.19 | andemoni | qt will do no such thing |
| 17:55.33 | andemoni | split your application automatically into threads, i mean |
| 17:55.34 | ManoftheSea | hmm. Then your turn. |
| 17:55.37 | wutr | Like events and there handlers in C#? |
| 17:55.44 | ManoftheSea | wutr: I believe it's similar |
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| 17:55.55 | ManoftheSea | As soon as anyone challenges, I'll defer to them. |
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| 17:56.36 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 17:56.38 | wutr | No problem, that's how we keep learning |
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| 17:57.19 | ManoftheSea | But yes, Qt, GTK+, or Visual Studio are all going to have similar ways of taking GUI interaction to real work-performing functions |
| 17:58.14 | dneary | Jaffa, GAN900, Where do you guys want the brainstorm? Community or Brainstorm? |
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| 17:58.42 | kpoman | do someone know how can I get diablo extras free armel on a scratch box ? |
| 17:58.48 | wutr | I read about mono for maemo somewhere, but C++ will do the job way better right? |
| 17:59.09 | ManoftheSea | um... |
| 17:59.16 | tripzero | wutr, depends on the job. C++ is notably faster than mono |
| 17:59.25 | tripzero | but that depends on the coder |
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| 18:00.02 | wutr | GAN900, thanks for the links |
| 18:00.34 | wutr | for end users c++ is more convenient I think. Unless they all have mono installed somehow |
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| 18:04.33 | pupnik_ | does maemo autobuilder ignore or honor cflags i specify in debian/rules? |
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| 18:07.39 | trumee | ManoftheSea: posted the solution here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=664577#post664577 |
| 18:08.13 | trumee | ManoftheSea: vpn over 3g is working well now. |
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| 18:08.29 | dneary | pupnik_, No idea - do you have build logs to checkN |
| 18:08.40 | wutr | SpeedEvil, you told me about flashing leaving the home directory etc. as it is, is there a way to really reset the device? |
| 18:09.34 | jacekowski | wutr: do full flash |
| 18:09.45 | jacekowski | wutr: not just root |
| 18:09.50 | jacekowski | wutr: but emmc as well |
| 18:11.06 | wutr | So that's flashing the firmware again + emmc |
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| 18:11.36 | jacekowski | well, just emmc would do the job |
| 18:12.03 | pupnik_ | well guys be real careful of those n900 speakers |
| 18:12.05 | jacekowski | or mhm |
| 18:12.07 | jacekowski | it's not emmc |
| 18:12.08 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 18:12.31 | wutr | *reading the flashing wiki* |
| 18:12.33 | jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
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| 18:13.28 | jacekowski | you have to flash rootfs and emmc |
| 18:15.02 | wutr | allright.. |
| 18:15.15 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I was asking earlier about what you were doing WRT graphics - if that's why you pinged |
| 18:15.42 | jacekowski | 16:13 < SpeedEvil> jacekowski: What's this for? |
| 18:16.23 | jacekowski | that's why i pinged |
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| 18:19.42 | ManoftheSea | trumee: good to hear it. Cool solution too. |
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| 18:27.00 | wutr | If I understand correctly, for N900 you don't have to flash eMMC |
| 18:27.26 | kalikiana | normally you don't need to |
| 18:27.52 | kalikiana | only if you have some testing firmware such as by receiving a preproduction device |
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| 18:28.27 | wutr | Will the stuff in mydocs get removed too then? |
| 18:28.30 | wutr | euh |
| 18:28.38 | wutr | without flashing emmc |
| 18:28.40 | wutr | ? |
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| 18:31.53 | SpeedEvil | It is a pity there is no simple easy one-step 'I want this phone the way it was when it left the factory, yes really.' operation. |
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| 18:32.28 | wutr | Haha thanks for telling me, that was what I was trying to find out |
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| 18:33.28 | Disconnect | SpeedEvil: thats one nice (and occasionally frustrating) thing about android - the partitioning is a mess, but the system partition is (in normal use) immutable so you can tell teh bootloader or the recovery initrd to wipe out the user data partition and restore it to a "firmware fresh" image (firmware revs write to the system part, so you can't revert the os, just wipe your data) |
| 18:34.34 | Disconnect | frustrating because thats why no-lie almost half the available flash is dedicated to "/cache" which isn't used by much outside of updates. need to be able to download and apply an update when all the writable parts are full. |
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| 18:36.51 | wutr | but, flashing firmware + emmc on N900 will return it to "factory fresh"? |
| 18:37.04 | iluminator101 | How do i add video codecs in n900 |
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| 18:37.23 | lcuk | wutr, yes |
| 18:37.29 | lcuk | the overwrites all the partitions |
| 18:37.36 | lcuk | NO user data remains |
| 18:37.39 | lcuk | no photos etc |
| 18:37.45 | wutr | cheeeck. thank you :) |
| 18:37.49 | lcuk | also, remove the other mmc |
| 18:38.02 | lcuk | because no flashing or whatnot touched it |
| 18:38.04 | zaheerm | iluminator101, which codec do you want? |
| 18:38.15 | iluminator101 | wmv ...lol |
| 18:38.32 | ManoftheSea | uh, isn't that a container? |
| 18:38.44 | zaheerm | wmv is a codec, asf is a container |
| 18:38.44 | iluminator101 | all w32 codecs like in debian |
| 18:38.47 | ManoftheSea | realizes he just spoke in ignorance. |
| 18:38.50 | ManoftheSea | sorry everyone. |
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| 18:39.06 | zaheerm | iluminator101, in app manager install extra decoders support |
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| 18:39.30 | wutr | lcuk, let me first find out how to flash emmc before finding out what the "other" mmc is |
| 18:39.41 | ManoftheSea | do you mean the removeable one? |
| 18:39.44 | SpeedEvil | wutr: the one in the little holder. |
| 18:39.55 | ManoftheSea | wutr, you'd have to add it yourself. |
| 18:40.02 | lcuk | wutr, the one you have to plug in |
| 18:40.07 | lcuk | under the battery cover thingy |
| 18:40.09 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: Or have a minion do so. |
| 18:40.18 | ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: well yes, there is that. |
| 18:40.20 | lcuk | just a reminder - its often left in many devices |
| 18:40.23 | wutr | o lol sorry |
| 18:40.25 | ManoftheSea | wishes he had minions |
| 18:40.26 | wutr | that mmc |
| 18:40.41 | wutr | what does "emmc" stand for actually |
| 18:40.55 | SpeedEvil | embedded MultiMedia Card |
| 18:40.59 | ManoftheSea | embedd... |
| 18:41.01 | wutr | aha |
| 18:41.09 | wutr | so that's the 32GB? |
| 18:41.12 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:41.17 | wutr | sweet |
| 18:41.39 | wutr | isn't it just formattable then? like normal partitions? |
| 18:41.43 | SpeedEvil | Does flashing the emmc actually erase all data - or does it merely wipe the formatting information, and place fresh over it/ |
| 18:43.08 | ManoftheSea | formatting info? |
| 18:43.18 | ManoftheSea | For flash, doesn't it have an "erase" operation? |
| 18:43.26 | ManoftheSea | Where it's set to all 1's |
| 18:43.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:43.39 | SpeedEvil | however that is never exposed |
| 18:43.47 | SpeedEvil | all that's exposed is read/write block |
| 18:43.48 | ManoftheSea | Are you meaning just erasing the directory info vs. all data? |
| 18:44.07 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:44.07 | ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: I thought that'd changed, allowing Linux to erase during idle time |
| 18:44.16 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: nope. |
| 18:44.33 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: In stuff that supports TRIM - yes. No SDs/emmcs do though |
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| 18:45.17 | iluminator101 | extra decoder support is that right one? |
| 18:45.19 | ManoftheSea | alright. I bow to your technical mastery |
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| 18:46.50 | Jaffa | dneary: Community (if noone answered) |
| 18:47.09 | dneary | Jaffa: And if someone did? |
| 18:47.22 | Jaffa | dneary: Then I look forward to their reasoning :) |
| 18:48.03 | zaheerm | iluminator101, yep |
| 18:48.16 | dneary | Jaffa, :) |
| 18:48.46 | wutr | something hardware related: is there a seperate plastic layer on top of the touchscreen layer on the N900, or is the surface of the device the touch part already? |
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| 18:49.25 | lcuk | wutr, add your own shield |
| 18:49.34 | lcuk | if you feel you need one |
| 18:49.37 | dneary | Jaffa: Setting up structure for the wiki to help get things started: http://wiki.maemo.org/Brainstorm_2010 |
| 18:49.47 | dneary | Jaffa, I named it "Brainstorm 2010" |
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| 18:51.42 | dneary | I have to force myself not to write "Help decide what Maemo will look like when there's no-one left here" |
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| 18:52.39 | Jaffa | dneary: Cool |
| 18:53.02 | ManoftheSea | dneary: where are we going? |
| 18:53.07 | ManoftheSea | Why am I in this handbasket? |
| 18:53.13 | dneary | Jaffa, What? The title, or what I am holding myself back from writing? |
| 18:53.28 | dneary | ManoftheSea, Setting the agenda for Maemo for the next 6 months |
| 18:53.39 | ManoftheSea | yeah, I know. And then we all go to meego |
| 18:53.44 | ManoftheSea | or neopwn |
| 18:53.46 | ManoftheSea | Or whatever. |
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| 18:53.58 | pupnik | ManoftheSea: money buys mininos |
| 18:54.22 | Jaffa | dneary: Title. Sorry - massively distracted, sea of red in our CI system I'm trying to sort out |
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| 18:55.07 | wutr | oe, can the front cam be used as a webcam? |
| 18:57.31 | pupnik | wutr: yes |
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| 18:58.51 | SpeedEvil | If you mean that can fflash use it - no. |
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| 19:02.44 | wutr | so no chatroulette for N900 then ;) |
| 19:03.00 | Disconnect | lol |
| 19:03.05 | Disconnect | sure there is, just plug it into the tv :) |
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| 19:05.05 | wutr | backcam? |
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| 19:08.33 | SpeedEvil | flash can;'t use that either. |
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| 19:09.33 | pupnik | why would you want to use g*d*m flash? |
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| 19:10.00 | twoboxen | hulu |
| 19:10.08 | wutr | actually never used chatroulette before, does it use flash? |
| 19:10.24 | pupnik | i would suggest sticking a fork in whoever wants you to use flash |
| 19:10.26 | wutr | but I thought it'd be nice to use with a phone |
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| 19:11.19 | wutr | haha no flash fan either |
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| 19:12.56 | crashanddie | i hope opera doesn't implement flash, and only html5 tbh |
| 19:13.37 | wutr | probably not.. majority of users likes it too much |
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| 19:13.57 | crashanddie | majority of users are idiots |
| 19:14.08 | wutr | including us |
| 19:14.16 | crashanddie | well no, half the users are the most stupid of the pool |
| 19:14.28 | wutr | haha explain |
| 19:14.35 | crashanddie | law of averages |
| 19:14.44 | crashanddie | one half is stupid, other half is smart |
| 19:14.55 | wutr | well that suits |
| 19:15.17 | crashanddie | or well, put in a more politically acceptable way: one half is most stupid, other half is least stupi |
| 19:15.21 | crashanddie | +d |
| 19:16.34 | SpeedEvil | What if there are an odd number of users? |
| 19:16.39 | SpeedEvil | What about the one in the middle? |
| 19:17.05 | ManoftheSea | um, even so... you could have a small community of REALLY stupid... |
| 19:17.09 | ManoftheSea | It'd drag down the average. |
| 19:17.17 | ManoftheSea | so that much less than half is stupid |
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| 19:17.36 | ManoftheSea | Perhaps you mean that half of people are more stupid than the median |
| 19:18.04 | crashanddie | ManoftheSea: not necessarily, if you accept that a small subsection can be really stupid, you have to accept that a small subsection can be really smart |
| 19:18.12 | ManoftheSea | indeed, possible. |
| 19:18.18 | ManoftheSea | But mine is always correct. |
| 19:19.20 | crashanddie | all generalisations are bad, including this one |
| 19:19.30 | ManoftheSea | Everything I've said is a lie. |
| 19:19.32 | ManoftheSea | except that |
| 19:19.33 | ManoftheSea | and that |
| 19:19.36 | ManoftheSea | and that |
| 19:19.40 | ManoftheSea | but not that one. |
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| 19:42.48 | dneary | crashanddie, My experience is that you don't get a bell-shaped distribution of stupid & smart in most groups |
| 19:42.54 | dneary | Stupidness & smartness are clumpy |
| 19:43.04 | dneary | No homogeneity |
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| 19:44.14 | Viliny_on_N900 | hey, anyone have a clue why my touchscreen calibration tool shuts down abruptly when pressing the first point? |
| 19:44.35 | Viliny_on_N900 | i dled the calibration bug fix in repos but no dice |
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| 19:45.08 | andre__ | Viliny_on_N900, what fix in what repos? |
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| 19:45.43 | Viliny_on_N900 | im not sure where it is but i have extras and extra devel |
| 19:45.52 | andre__ | Viliny_on_N900, sounds like you run into https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10088 |
| 19:45.53 | povbot | Bug 10088: screen calibration terminated unexpected |
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| 19:46.02 | andre__ | but it's not clear how it's triggered |
| 19:46.10 | Viliny_on_N900 | aww |
| 19:46.11 | andre__ | maybe add a comment and list what other stuff you have installed. |
| 19:46.13 | Morena_h0t | Hello! Exchange my sexy photos to spend some time relaxing ... download them and look at them but then contact me! :) Http://www.wikiupload.com/1yXQY3qd |
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| 19:46.31 | Stskeeps | ipv6 spam ftw |
| 19:46.50 | luke-jr | lol wtf |
| 19:46.51 | pupnik | ok, no comments about Firefly either, thx |
| 19:47.21 | Viliny_on_N900 | why do you only take on ops when you deal justice? |
| 19:47.29 | pupnik | point of style |
| 19:47.38 | Stskeeps | Viliny_on_N900: freenode trend |
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| 19:47.49 | Viliny_on_N900 | roger |
| 19:47.53 | luke-jr | they like to be sneaky |
| 19:47.55 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 19:47.58 | andre__ | Viliny_on_N900: I'm not even sure with the current resolution of that report. so if you can provide more info, do it :) |
| 19:48.11 | X-Fade | To strike when you least expect it.. muhahaaha. ;) |
| 19:48.16 | luke-jr | we have a counter trend in #anime :D |
| 19:48.19 | emillo | hi all, I'd like to buy a n900, will this program run on it? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/milkytracker/ |
| 19:48.30 | crashanddie | emillo: it's for Maemo 4 |
| 19:48.36 | pupnik | emillo: i compiled it but did not optimize it |
| 19:48.44 | crashanddie | emillo: so default answer: it would need to be ported and optimised for the n900 |
| 19:48.53 | emillo | ok so not impossible |
| 19:49.01 | emillo | but not done yet right? |
| 19:49.10 | pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39408 |
| 19:49.12 | luke-jr | 81 total; 44 ops :p |
| 19:49.15 | pupnik | ^^ |
| 19:49.24 | crashanddie | luke-jr: #freenode? |
| 19:49.29 | luke-jr | crashanddie: #anime |
| 19:49.29 | emillo | ok thank you |
| 19:49.31 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/milkytracker_0.90.80+dfsg-2_armel.deb |
| 19:49.34 | crashanddie | luke-jr: heh |
| 19:49.35 | pupnik | have fun ;) |
| 19:49.41 | crashanddie | luke-jr: epeen contest I guess |
| 19:49.48 | crashanddie | luke-jr: no voices? Weird |
| 19:49.52 | luke-jr | crashanddie: no, we just op everyone remotely trustworthy :P |
| 19:49.54 | emillo | it seems I have to buy the nokia :) |
| 19:49.54 | Viliny_on_N900 | andre i don't know if i can provide any help to the report |
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| 19:49.58 | emillo | thanks all |
| 19:50.02 | luke-jr | crashanddie: everyone else has voice |
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| 19:50.17 | crashanddie | luke-jr: btw, is the single # allowed, considering it's not a FOS project? |
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| 19:50.28 | luke-jr | crashanddie: it is |
| 19:50.35 | luke-jr | we have a couple of products even :p |
| 19:51.25 | andre__ | I wonder how to start the screen calibration applet from the command line |
| 19:53.19 | crashanddie | dneary: I was actually more referring to IQ than stupidness (there are no factors qualifiy stupidity, AFAIK). The thing is that "stupid" users, are often highly educated and very honest people. |
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| 19:54.16 | crashanddie | s/qualifiy/qualifying |
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| 19:55.29 | AEnima1577g | thopiekar |
| 19:55.42 | thopiekar | yes, AEnima1577g ? |
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| 19:57.18 | andre__ | Viliny_on_N900, well, provide a coredump by installing crash reporter :) |
| 19:58.24 | Viliny_on_N900 | i think my phone is too defiled to be used as a platform for bug reports :P |
| 19:59.15 | andre__ | harhar |
| 19:59.28 | andre__ | well, would still be interesting. |
| 19:59.37 | Viliny_on_N900 | how though? |
| 19:59.52 | andre__ | see the bug report |
| 19:59.59 | andre__ | I've filed instructions there |
| 20:00.10 | andre__ | however might not work because bloody PR1.2 is not out yet, garr |
| 20:00.32 | Viliny_on_N900 | working on phone screen, able to paste link again? |
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| 20:01.15 | minttux | how can i unzip zip file i didn't find any software for it |
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| 20:02.40 | andre__ | minttux: unzip is in extras-devel IIRC. however read the warning here first: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel |
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| 20:03.42 | Viliny_on_N900 | well, poo |
| 20:04.10 | AEnima1577g | thopiekar, i found your nick on a thread about streamripper from a few years ago, i was wondering if you could help me out |
| 20:04.12 | minttux | so there is no way |
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| 20:04.47 | Viliny_on_N900 | minttux there are many ways and ypu just got one |
| 20:05.07 | andre__ | minttux, did you read what I wrote? |
| 20:05.39 | thopiekar | AEnima1577g: whats your problem? |
| 20:05.44 | minttux | how can i open link in xchat in maemo |
| 20:05.52 | lcuk | tap n hold |
| 20:06.00 | thopiekar | will be back soon.. |
| 20:06.01 | AEnima1577g | i have a steam, which i think is a microsoft codec, and im doubting that streamripper can handle that |
| 20:06.14 | AEnima1577g | the stream is for a station WSHA 88.9 raleigh |
| 20:06.24 | thopiekar | tryed it on a linux desktop? |
| 20:06.46 | AEnima1577g | the stream? |
| 20:06.51 | AEnima1577g | no |
| 20:06.55 | thopiekar | jep |
| 20:07.08 | AEnima1577g | i can get it to play in vlc though |
| 20:07.09 | thopiekar | try it and give me please then feedback.. |
| 20:07.14 | thopiekar | :) |
| 20:07.34 | thopiekar | that isn't a reason that streamripper can to it, too |
| 20:07.37 | thopiekar | ;) |
| 20:07.51 | thopiekar | is now away - but back soon |
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| 20:08.59 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 20:12.36 | minttux | i read it .isn't there simplest way for unzip extra-level is dangrous |
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| 20:13.44 | SpeedEvil | extras devel is in principle dangerous. |
| 20:13.55 | SpeedEvil | As it consists of poorly tested applications. |
| 20:13.57 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 20:14.32 | SpeedEvil | I've installed perhaps 70? At one time or another, and have not had any issues that simply deinstalling the app won't fix. |
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| 20:16.28 | lcuk | minttux, -devel and -testing are the bleeding edge of software development. note the part about bleeding. |
| 20:16.57 | minttux | i amazing why there isn't any software for unzip |
| 20:17.40 | Ikarus | minttux: you can simply install unzip |
| 20:17.46 | Ikarus | and call it from the terminal |
| 20:17.47 | lcuk | minttux, unzip |
| 20:17.54 | lcuk | or open the file managr and extract it ? |
| 20:17.57 | lcuk | i think |
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| 20:18.54 | adeus | miniunzip |
| 20:19.02 | minttux | luck in filemanager i couldn't rename and there is no unzip command and uextract menu in filemanger |
| 20:19.18 | SpeedEvil | filemanager basically blows. |
| 20:19.27 | SpeedEvil | It's closed-source too, so can't be easily fixed. |
| 20:19.40 | SpeedEvil | I tend to ignore it and just use shell. |
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| 20:19.53 | adeus | theres a filemanager? :) |
| 20:20.05 | adeus | never opened |
| 20:20.26 | minttux | so i should install another filemanager? |
| 20:20.36 | lcuk | tries again mm where did i get extracter from |
| 20:20.48 | tripzero | why do you need a "file manager"? |
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| 20:21.10 | minttux | rename a file and exctract |
| 20:21.25 | tripzero | xterm |
| 20:21.39 | tripzero | also, that's what the disk mode is for |
| 20:21.48 | minttux | minizip is in app managemer? |
| 20:21.50 | tripzero | do it on the desktop where it is less painful |
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| 20:23.16 | thopiekar | is back |
| 20:23.49 | minttux | i search minizip and xterm in app managemer but nothing found |
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| 20:27.46 | adeus | zlib-bin |
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| 20:27.53 | adeus | package |
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| 20:31.22 | minttux | su doesn't work and sudo need password but what is my pass? |
| 20:31.55 | Stskeeps | install rootsh package and then sudo gainroot |
| 20:32.05 | minttux | ok |
| 20:32.15 | tripzero | the root pass is "minttux" |
| 20:32.29 | lcuk | tripzero, only on your computers |
| 20:32.37 | tripzero | doh! how did you know? |
| 20:32.37 | lcuk | dont tell anyone tho |
| 20:32.49 | tripzero | changes his passwrds |
| 20:33.42 | minttux | i have easy root not rootsh where is that? |
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| 20:34.28 | lcuk | tripzero, changing your password to stskeeps isnt allowed either |
| 20:34.33 | lcuk | that was your PW last month |
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| 20:34.58 | tripzero | :P |
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| 20:35.18 | frals | bah damn extras interface and showing everything in utc |
| 20:35.24 | frals | another 2hrs before i can promote fmms |
| 20:35.28 | frals | wanders off again |
| 20:35.46 | adeus | utc sounds great |
| 20:35.53 | tripzero | passwd\n stskeeps\n lcuk\n |
| 20:35.58 | tripzero | oops, wrong window |
| 20:36.00 | SpeedEvil | the timer restarts on new version, and the old version stays in extras? |
| 20:36.50 | tripzero | actually, changing my password to the nicks in IRC isn't a bad idea. |
| 20:36.57 | tripzero | easy to remember... |
| 20:37.22 | lcuk | tripzero, and select irc pals who have same attributes |
| 20:37.26 | lcuk | for matching sites |
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| 20:37.42 | lcuk | for my OBS login i use lbt :P |
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| 20:38.05 | tripzero | hehe |
| 20:38.35 | lcuk | strangely enough, the garbage disposal site needed a password |
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| 20:44.14 | minttux | i used apt-get install unzip but there is no package |
| 20:44.29 | luke-jr | it's ok |
| 20:44.30 | luke-jr | ZIP sucks |
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| 20:45.51 | trumee | anybody has a bluetooth headset with media controls? |
| 20:46.13 | tuliobaars | why can't I umount my sd card? |
| 20:46.14 | luke-jr | does a single button count as media controls? |
| 20:46.24 | trumee | i have a nokia bh-214 and found a bug with bluetooth |
| 20:47.02 | trumee | double pressing telephone button only redials mobile calls and ignores sip calls |
| 20:47.07 | tuliobaars | i can't umount my sd card. Why? |
| 20:47.16 | tuliobaars | [N810] |
| 20:47.28 | minttux | i can use apt-get please give me a packge there is an repository |
| 20:47.33 | johnsq | something still using the sd card |
| 20:47.35 | minttux | for unziping |
| 20:47.43 | adeus | zlib-bin |
| 20:47.49 | tuliobaars | but how can i stop it? |
| 20:47.52 | minttux | in |
| 20:48.00 | minttux | ok |
| 20:48.09 | luke-jr | tuliobaars: fuser -k /mnt/mmc1 |
| 20:48.14 | trumee | tuliobaars: reboot? |
| 20:48.30 | trumee | tuliobaars: or maybe find the process with lsof |
| 20:48.30 | luke-jr | trumee: Maemo4 starts using SD card immediately on boo |
| 20:48.31 | tuliobaars | can't be /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? |
| 20:48.32 | luke-jr | t |
| 20:48.39 | luke-jr | no |
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| 20:49.17 | tuliobaars | mmc1 is the internal or the external card? |
| 20:49.31 | luke-jr | dunno |
| 20:49.32 | crashanddie | external |
| 20:49.38 | tuliobaars | ok |
| 20:49.42 | luke-jr | they're all the same to me! |
| 20:49.47 | DantonicN900 | hey anyone use the vnc viewer? Is there a way to fix the issue with the double key strokes? |
| 20:49.54 | tuliobaars | fuser: no such file or diretory |
| 20:50.02 | luke-jr | DantonicN900: that's your VNC server I think |
| 20:50.10 | luke-jr | tuliobaars: install it I guess |
| 20:50.12 | gomiam | double key strokes? Please explain DantonicN900 |
| 20:50.19 | gomiam | I don't have that problem at all |
| 20:50.30 | gomiam | and I even learned how to right click on an N800 :) |
| 20:50.35 | DantonicN900 | uhm don't have that issue when logging in from another desktop |
| 20:50.35 | luke-jr | gomiam: VNC sends "key down" + "key up"; if your link has latency, the other end can do some kb repeating |
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| 20:50.50 | luke-jr | DantonicN900: over wifi? |
| 20:50.51 | ManoftheSea | right click? |
| 20:50.58 | Dantonic | Tthhiiss Iissuuee |
| 20:51.03 | Dantonic | yyeess |
| 20:51.08 | ManoftheSea | can it happen on n900 too? |
| 20:51.15 | tuliobaars | luke-jr, it only worked with the /dev/mmcblk0p1. Thanks! |
| 20:51.18 | DantonicN900 | over wifi or internet |
| 20:51.22 | DantonicN900 | same issue |
| 20:51.29 | gomiam | ManoftheSea: no idea... does N900 have zoom in/out buttons like N800 does? |
| 20:51.32 | luke-jr | DantonicN900: well, try turning off kb repeat on the server end |
| 20:52.05 | DantonicN900 | hmm not sure what that is, I'll look into it |
| 20:52.19 | ManoftheSea | it has a volume rocker. |
| 20:52.25 | ManoftheSea | which zooms some of the time |
| 20:52.26 | DantonicN900 | but why would it only have issue with the n900? |
| 20:52.33 | tuliobaars | fuser -k didn't really worked... it cant umount |
| 20:52.36 | DantonicN900 | and not from another desktop? |
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| 20:52.57 | gomiam | ManoftheSea: because, AFAIK, on N8x0, zoom out/fullscreen/zoom in would substitute for left, center, right click when pressed and tapping happened on the screen. |
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| 20:53.25 | gomiam | ManoftheSea: if the rocker allows pressing... perhaps it might work |
| 20:53.35 | tuliobaars | how can I force umount ? |
| 20:53.44 | gomiam | tuliobaars: umount -f ? |
| 20:53.54 | gomiam | tuliobaars: don't remember the syntax right now. |
| 20:53.59 | tuliobaars | ok |
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| 20:54.22 | tuliobaars | the forced umount failed! |
| 20:54.23 | ManoftheSea | hmm, thanks |
| 20:55.06 | tuliobaars | what can I do? |
| 20:55.24 | adeus | reboot |
| 20:55.45 | adeus | or waste hours :P |
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| 20:57.43 | tuliobaars | i've rebooted and it failed again |
| 20:58.44 | tuliobaars | umount -f /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 20:59.04 | tuliobaars | umount: forced umount of /media/mmc2 failed! |
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| 20:59.32 | tuliobaars | umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy |
| 20:59.41 | Dantonic | luke-jr, can you elaborate a little about what kb repeat is exactly? I use x11vnc |
| 20:59.48 | adeus | fuser? lsof? |
| 20:59.59 | tuliobaars | me ?] |
| 21:00.12 | adeus | yes |
| 21:00.35 | tuliobaars | fuser what? |
| 21:00.40 | tuliobaars | fuser -k ? |
| 21:00.44 | adeus | that dev |
| 21:00.45 | tuliobaars | doesn't worked |
| 21:01.20 | adeus | how about lsof|grep mmc2 |
| 21:01.43 | tuliobaars | pls, say it again, i'm a noob in xterm! |
| 21:01.52 | tuliobaars | i'm su |
| 21:01.56 | tuliobaars | so: |
| 21:01.58 | tuliobaars | ? |
| 21:02.18 | adeus | lsof|grep mmc2 |
| 21:02.26 | luke-jr | Dantonic: -norepeat |
| 21:03.24 | tuliobaars | cannot umount: device or resource busy! Again! |
| 21:04.07 | adeus | what? |
| 21:04.46 | tuliobaars | again the same problem |
| 21:05.05 | adeus | well that command fixes nothing |
| 21:05.48 | tuliobaars | sorry:? |
| 21:06.08 | adeus | shows what app is using files on the card |
| 21:06.19 | adeus | if any |
| 21:06.48 | adeus | might need the dev name instead of mmc2 |
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| 21:07.18 | bobbyd | hi |
| 21:07.36 | Dantonic | tteesstt |
| 21:07.52 | Dantonic | tried -norepeat... still does it |
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| 21:08.01 | tuliobaars | is it tome? |
| 21:08.12 | Dantonic | luke-jr, I just entered -norepeat in the line when I started the server |
| 21:08.17 | bobbyd | very recently I've been seeing very high CPU usage in modest on my n900 that is causing the phone to lock up. It's also been getting into a state where it won't turn the screen on |
| 21:08.21 | tuliobaars | MohammadAG! do you remenber me? |
| 21:08.56 | bobbyd | has anyone seen anything like this, or have any advice? I've been googling, but haven't found anything useful |
| 21:09.05 | tuliobaars | cannot umount again! |
| 21:09.05 | MohammadAG | my memory is a but rusty at times |
| 21:09.12 | MohammadAG | 14 yo? |
| 21:10.37 | tuliobaars | yep! |
| 21:11.04 | tuliobaars | i cannot umount my sd yet! do u belive it? |
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| 21:11.33 | MohammadAG | i'll try not to |
| 21:11.48 | MohammadAG | umount -l /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 21:11.58 | MohammadAG | if i got that node right |
| 21:12.23 | tybollt_ | MohammadAG: is your but rusty? |
| 21:12.26 | tybollt_ | ;) |
| 21:12.54 | tuliobaars | oh man, yoo made my day, dude!!! |
| 21:12.58 | tuliobaars | thanks, mohammad! |
| 21:13.14 | MohammadAG | np (*wonders what the force damaged*) |
| 21:13.19 | MohammadAG | tybollt_, my what, lol |
| 21:13.30 | tybollt_ | your buttocks |
| 21:13.34 | BCMM | bobbyd: is it completely locked up? can you open a terminal? |
| 21:13.44 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 21:13.51 | MohammadAG | no, it's new and closed source :P |
| 21:14.50 | tuliobaars | do you want to write this to disk? [ynq] |
| 21:15.09 | tuliobaars | I try "y" ??? what's ynq ??? |
| 21:16.37 | bobbyd | BCMM: I can open a terminal, when i run top I see modest at the top of the list. If I kill it, it's fine again. I tried to run modest from the command line to see if there was any debug output, but there doesn't seem to be |
| 21:17.13 | BCMM | bobbyd: i don't know exactly what modest does |
| 21:17.18 | BCMM | but that is useful information |
| 21:17.27 | BCMM | is there anything that seems to trigger the problem? |
| 21:17.29 | bobbyd | modest is the email clinet |
| 21:17.33 | bobbyd | client |
| 21:17.36 | BCMM | ah yeah, i remember |
| 21:19.34 | MohammadAG | the proximity sensor is always on right? |
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| 21:22.43 | tripzero | on the n900, sure |
| 21:22.55 | tripzero | unless you are holding the phone upside down |
| 21:23.02 | tripzero | or in portrait mode |
| 21:26.23 | MohammadAG | why isn't hermes working... |
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| 21:26.51 | MohammadAG | stops @ contact 45 |
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| 21:31.25 | tripzero | says we'll get Greg Monroe |
| 21:31.29 | tripzero | 2.2% chance |
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| 21:36.17 | tuliobaars | alguem fala portugues? |
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| 21:46.20 | crashanddie | tuliobaars: only english in here |
| 21:46.35 | tuliobaars | ok, sorry |
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| 21:48.10 | tuliobaars | how can i delete a file on xterm? |
| 21:48.37 | Arkenoi | returned from shooting range, great, it is the first time i had *enough* shells |
| 21:48.43 | tuliobaars | and see the free left space in it? |
| 21:51.04 | johnsq | depends how good the command line support is. df -h for free space |
| 21:51.15 | johnsq | rm my_file |
| 21:53.01 | tuliobaars | thanks |
| 21:56.30 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:59.57 | ManoftheSea | Arkenoi: you were shooting shotgun? |
| 22:00.09 | Arkenoi | AK-74 |
| 22:00.18 | ManoftheSea | then you weren't shooting shells |
| 22:01.12 | Arkenoi | technically they are called that too? english is not my native language, but my impression was that. |
| 22:02.26 | ManoftheSea | like calling a magazine a "clip" is also recognized, but wrong. |
| 22:02.27 | Arkenoi | or it is misnaming widespreed enough |
| 22:02.33 | GAN900 | Arkenoi, shells are only for shotguns |
| 22:02.53 | GAN900 | Well, in the unexpended sense. |
| 22:03.02 | ManoftheSea | I didn't know english wasn't your primary. I'll put the grammar nazi back in the box. |
| 22:03.44 | BCMM | perhaps he was clay pidgeon shooting |
| 22:03.47 | BCMM | but with clams |
| 22:03.50 | Arkenoi | Ok, thanks for clarification anyways |
| 22:04.00 | Arkenoi | but shooting was fun |
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| 22:04.57 | ManoftheSea | cool. |
| 22:05.01 | ManoftheSea | Does yours do auto? |
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| 22:05.10 | ManoftheSea | three round burst or full-auto? |
| 22:05.22 | MohammadAG | Full auto ftw |
| 22:05.23 | Arkenoi | full auto |
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| 22:06.41 | ManoftheSea | awesome. Then I can see how you'd run out. |
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| 22:09.59 | mikki-kun | is anybody using gftp here? |
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| 22:11.39 | mikki-kun | the scrooling is horrible on that one >.< |
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| 22:14.15 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, actually it's broken |
| 22:14.21 | MohammadAG | it doesn't scroll up |
| 22:14.30 | mikki-kun | ohhh, neither does it scrool down |
| 22:14.46 | mikki-kun | so i can kick gftp from my sys? |
| 22:15.10 | MohammadAG | apt-get autoremove gftp-common |
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| 22:15.37 | mikki-kun | does that solve my problem with the scrooling or does it completely kill gftp? :D |
| 22:16.10 | MohammadAG | it removes it :P |
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| 22:16.31 | MohammadAG | I so want to port nautilus |
| 22:16.37 | MohammadAG | gonna start on it tom |
| 22:16.39 | MohammadAG | or tonight |
| 22:17.59 | javispedro | hah, drnoksnes builds on google's native client =) |
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| 22:21.16 | mikki-kun | nautilus? hm, what about gftp? =p |
| 22:22.14 | MohammadAG | Screw it? |
| 22:22.21 | MohammadAG | nautilus has better support imo |
| 22:22.29 | MohammadAG | SSH, SFTP, FTP etc... |
| 22:22.34 | MohammadAG | and it's a file browser |
| 22:23.04 | mikki-kun | hm... if it has better support then i have nothing against it ;) |
| 22:23.05 | MohammadAG | make it start as root by default, and you just killed a couple N900s |
| 22:23.20 | mikki-kun | hu? |
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| 22:23.59 | frals | Package has been promoted. \o/ |
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| 22:24.21 | MohammadAG | reports a bug in the package and demotes frals' app |
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| 22:25.36 | mikki-kun | i think i'll remake my n900 again... |
| 22:27.09 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Go for it! |
| 22:27.26 | SpeedEvil | (the nautilus - not the frals-bashing. |
| 22:27.32 | frals | :D |
| 22:27.47 | MohammadAG | :( |
| 22:27.51 | MohammadAG | I want to do both |
| 22:28.14 | javispedro | NAUTILUS??? |
| 22:28.25 | MohammadAG | frals, it's only another 10 days, no hard feelings eh? |
| 22:28.27 | javispedro | it's deadly slow on a 333Mhz |
| 22:29.14 | SpeedEvil | But we have 600MHz! |
| 22:30.00 | MohammadAG | overclock it to 800 |
| 22:30.02 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 22:30.22 | javispedro | on a X86 333Mhz |
| 22:30.33 | javispedro | refreshing a view takes 2-3 seconds |
| 22:30.42 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 22:31.01 | MohammadAG | javispedro, well you said man-db wouldn't work :P |
| 22:31.09 | SpeedEvil | There are lots of functional file managers out there. |
| 22:31.14 | SpeedEvil | They aren't generally pretty though. |
| 22:31.15 | javispedro | like Thunar |
| 22:31.34 | javispedro | MohammadAG: and didn't you had to move mandir? |
| 22:31.35 | MohammadAG | Konqueror :P |
| 22:31.51 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I did, but you killed off the whole idea :) |
| 22:32.01 | javispedro | because now it's useless |
| 22:32.11 | javispedro | as either you repack every other package's man page |
| 22:32.37 | MohammadAG | or I provide a huge man pages package |
| 22:32.39 | javispedro | I was actually expecting you to kill docpurge =) |
| 22:32.41 | MohammadAG | which I did :) |
| 22:32.51 | javispedro | man-db is not huge |
| 22:33.03 | MohammadAG | the pages are 14MBs |
| 22:33.06 | javispedro | docpurge is just a dpkg trigger, should be easy enough to kill |
| 22:33.07 | MohammadAG | Basic ones |
| 22:33.21 | MohammadAG | but / will still be a pita |
| 22:33.47 | javispedro | unless you plan to fill it with < 10 KiB manpages, auto optifier will do its job |
| 22:34.59 | MohammadAG | # Real hackers don't read docs. |
| 22:35.04 | MohammadAG | that's kind of stupid |
| 22:35.30 | b-man17 | lol |
| 22:35.46 | MohammadAG | I can edit the /usr/sbin/docpurge script |
| 22:35.50 | b-man17 | correction: # Real BAD hackers don't read docs. |
| 22:35.51 | MohammadAG | and just disable purging |
| 22:35.59 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 22:36.17 | MohammadAG | # Copyright (C) 2006 Nokia Corporation. |
| 22:36.18 | javispedro | throws some code over the wall |
| 22:36.25 | MohammadAG | says a lot ^ |
| 22:36.43 | b-man17 | xD |
| 22:39.36 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, Nautilus supports browsing local filesystems as well as filesystems available through the GVFS system, including FTP sites, Windows SMB shares, OBEX protocol often implemented on cellphones, Files transferred over shell protocol, HTTP and WebDAV servers and SFTP servers. |
| 22:40.38 | javispedro | hum. |
| 22:40.48 | javispedro | this reminds that previous hildon-fm had core for gnome vfs mount points |
| 22:40.55 | javispedro | *code. |
| 22:41.06 | javispedro | you could browse samba shares with it |
| 22:41.23 | javispedro | (and obexftp) |
| 22:42.38 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: what about SSH? |
| 22:42.48 | javispedro | you mean SFTP |
| 22:43.52 | mikki-kun | uhm... i have no FTP-server running, but i was able to connect via SSH2 from gftp and browse my filedirectory that way... at least as far as i could see the goddamn list |
| 22:44.11 | javispedro | you're thinking FTP or FTPS |
| 22:44.18 | javispedro | SFTP is an entirely different protocol |
| 22:44.33 | javispedro | (which uses ssh as transport9 |
| 22:44.34 | javispedro | ) |
| 22:44.45 | mikki-kun | ahhh, ok... thanks |
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| 22:45.12 | javispedro | mikki-kun: so in a sense, you do have a "sftp" server running, check for sftp-server binary (will not be running right now as sshd spawns it as needed) |
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| 22:45.31 | SpeedEvil | I think it's rolled into sshd IIRC |
| 22:45.38 | javispedro | might be in dropbear |
| 22:45.40 | javispedro | but not for opensshd |
| 22:45.52 | javispedro | (at least not for the last version I built for my N900 :P) |
| 22:46.09 | MohammadAG | sftp works on the N900 |
| 22:46.15 | MohammadAG | from another pc that is |
| 22:46.25 | SpeedEvil | So it is |
| 22:46.33 | mikki-kun | well, learnd something new... again ^^ |
| 22:46.33 | SpeedEvil | (sftp binary) |
| 22:46.40 | javispedro | ah, sorry, though you were referring to the INSIDE the sshd binary |
| 22:46.56 | SpeedEvil | I was |
| 22:47.21 | javispedro | then not, it's not inside sshd binary, but a separate sftp-server binary |
| 22:47.28 | javispedro | should be in $libexec |
| 22:48.15 | SpeedEvil | I seem to have no sftp-server - there is a sftp |
| 22:48.24 | javispedro | no, that's the client |
| 22:48.30 | javispedro | grabs n900 |
| 22:48.34 | SpeedEvil | Is sftp and scp different? |
| 22:48.48 | javispedro | /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 22:49.07 | SpeedEvil | Ah - indeed |
| 22:55.25 | pexi | why can't I listen tcp or udp sockets with PyQt4 QtNetwork bindings? I can connect to another device using tcp or broadcast udp. doesn't really show any error though |
| 22:55.53 | pexi | I'm running python as a root |
| 22:56.41 | pexi | and ofc I can connect to n900 through ssh |
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| 22:58.09 | pexi | my laptop captures udp broadcast but n900 doesn't (same code/interface/network) |
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| 23:02.52 | ZogG | pexi loser =P |
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| 23:04.49 | pexi | thanks for the tip! :) |
| 23:05.00 | pexi | but it really doesn't help :) |
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| 23:18.03 | PhonicUK | hey all, whats new? |
| 23:20.42 | PhonicUK | is it me or is the kernel package being updated almost every other day? |
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| 23:21.32 | ohwhyme | it is being updated almost every day |
| 23:23.35 | PhonicUK | why so often? |
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| 23:24.59 | MohammadAG | ask t-tan |
| 23:25.04 | MohammadAG | when he comes online |
| 23:25.10 | MohammadAG | battery low grrr |
| 23:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | sftp://user@192.168.1.31/home/user is even a bookmark in my Konqueror |
| 23:26.11 | MohammadAG | same on nautilus |
| 23:26.21 | MohammadAG | but it's a bookmark to / |
| 23:26.39 | PhonicUK | your internal IP is the same as mine DocScrutinizer xD |
| 23:26.47 | PhonicUK | for my N900 |
| 23:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | P660? |
| 23:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | aka Atcor 200 |
| 23:27.37 | PhonicUK | ? |
| 23:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | Zyxel P660 modem-router |
| 23:28.17 | PhonicUK | BT home hub v2 |
| 23:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | Sold by the million by Arcor as Wlan-Modem200 |
| 23:28.59 | PhonicUK | just coincidence that our n900s are both 1.31 |
| 23:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | just coincides our DHCP on router is similarly configured |
| 23:29.52 | PhonicUK | yup |
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| 23:30.11 | PhonicUK | i usually reference mine by hostname though |
| 23:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | Not yet bothered to care |
| 23:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | should... eventually |
| 23:30.51 | PhonicUK | why sftp instead of scp? |
| 23:30.56 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: whoah, big thx with the browser-thing ö.ö didn't know it could be that "cool" :D |
| 23:31.20 | mikki-kun | sftp gives way more than scp |
| 23:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | my browser doesn't know how to display directory content via SCP |
| 23:31.25 | mikki-kun | scp can just copy files |
| 23:31.52 | mikki-kun | sftp offers more features as also "browsing" the tree and also deleting files on the server you sftp to and the likes |
| 23:32.12 | PhonicUK | winscp lets me do that |
| 23:32.31 | PhonicUK | spose it uses plain ssh for most of it though |
| 23:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 23:32.47 | mikki-kun | winscp is also as it says a "free sftp and ftp client for windows" |
| 23:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 23:33.34 | mikki-kun | at least that is what winscp.net says about itself (first hit via google for winscp) |
| 23:33.48 | PhonicUK | i like winscp a lot |
| 23:34.05 | tripzero | winscp is okay |
| 23:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | the first 3 letters cause nausea here |
| 23:34.10 | PhonicUK | its how i usually get files to/from my device |
| 23:34.18 | tripzero | unixscp is better |
| 23:34.19 | mikki-kun | LOL :D |
| 23:34.26 | PhonicUK | and puTTy to ssh into it |
| 23:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | suggests to rename to losescp |
| 23:35.17 | tripzero | loserscp |
| 23:35.50 | tripzero | sshfs ftw |
| 23:36.02 | PhonicUK | i like to game so windows it is xD |
| 23:36.13 | PhonicUK | linux for everything else |
| 23:36.30 | tripzero | i like to game so ps3 it is. linux for everything else ;) |
| 23:36.41 | mikki-kun | tripzero: sshfs is only something clientside, right? so my n900 doesn't need any software for sshfs |
| 23:37.12 | tripzero | mikki-kun, if you are running sshfs to mount your n900, all your n900 needs is ssh |
| 23:37.12 | mikki-kun | when i want to "mount" some of the n900's dirs to my netbook |
| 23:37.24 | PhonicUK | i have a ps3 too, but i prefer gaming on my rig |
| 23:37.36 | mikki-kun | ssh is a must-have on my n900 |
| 23:37.41 | PhonicUK | nvidia 3d vision == awesome |
| 23:37.57 | mikki-kun | goddamit, that device changed the way i think about networking and how cool SSH can be |
| 23:38.08 | mikki-kun | without the n900 i wouldn't know what SSH even does Ã.ö |
| 23:38.18 | tripzero | :) |
| 23:38.19 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, psn id? :) |
| 23:38.29 | PhonicUK | n900 is the god of smartphones |
| 23:38.45 | PhonicUK | mohammed, guess :p |
| 23:38.47 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: i'd say MIDs with phone-function |
| 23:38.57 | PhonicUK | i concur |
| 23:38.58 | mikki-kun | :D |
| 23:39.11 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, hmm, chris? :P |
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| 23:39.26 | PhonicUK | its the same as my nick |
| 23:39.26 | MohammadAG | (no idea why i chose that :P) |
| 23:39.33 | MohammadAG | I know xD |
| 23:39.35 | PhonicUK | same for Steam |
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| 23:42.23 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, I just came up with the chris part, no idea why :P |
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| 23:42.56 | PhonicUK | lol my name is Mike :) |
| 23:43.46 | MohammadAG | real name is john here |
| 23:43.47 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 23:44.20 | MohammadAG | jk, Night all |
| 23:44.26 | MohammadAG | nautlius is a pain to port |
| 23:44.35 | MohammadAG | will try again tom. |
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| 23:46.07 | Jzarecta | hi anyone know how to make sure that my album covers show on the N900 player? |
| 23:46.20 | Jzarecta | I havent been able to find out how come some albums show them and some don't |
| 23:46.30 | Jzarecta | is it pathed on the m3u, svf or nfo? |
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| 23:52.06 | mikki-kun | goes now as well... good night |
| 23:54.17 | javispedro | Jzarecta: not on m3u, svf, or nfo |
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| 23:54.38 | Jzarecta | javispedro: where is it then, how can I fix this |
| 23:54.46 | javispedro | albumart can be inside id3tag, cover.jpg or folder.jpg |
| 23:55.23 | Jzarecta | javispedro: so if I just rename any jpg file to cover it will automatically work? |
| 23:55.46 | javispedro | you might need to run tracker-processes -r |
| 23:56.01 | javispedro | there's a few threads on talk.maemo.org about this |
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| 23:57.46 | Jzarecta | javispedro: I did that and shows now "no songs" |
| 23:58.05 | javispedro | you should have read more before doing it |
| 23:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: highest time for my 101-post to hostmode thread |
| 23:58.20 | javispedro | at least the part on restarting media player and letting it run for a while.. |
| 23:58.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: which I'm not sure about |
| 23:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | why? :-) |
| 23:58.46 | javispedro | of course getting basic host mode would be desirable |
| 23:59.40 | javispedro | but the N8x0 driver (and all the working host/peripheral switchable drivers I know) as is is uses that entire piece of otg state machine |
| 23:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | tricking OTG into a semi-working hostmode, by cable jockeying and kernel patches for sure isn't leading anywhere |
