| 00:00.50 | SpeedEvil | Lack of a drunk-mms filter? |
| 00:01.00 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 00:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | burrp |
| 00:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | (no beer - FAIL) |
| 00:10.38 | pupnik_ | is sipping a nice cianti |
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| 00:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | considers a nice Ceylon first flush |
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| 00:17.57 | Pekuja_ | is it possible to run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop? |
| 00:18.22 | Pekuja_ | I compiled an armel binary from an example and tried to run it but it just made Xephyr crash. |
| 00:19.02 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 00:19.17 | MohammadAG | if it's an armel binary, how exactly do you want to run it? |
| 00:19.25 | Pekuja_ | in qemu? |
| 00:19.29 | MohammadAG | the SDK emulator only runs on the X86 target |
| 00:19.34 | Pekuja_ | ok |
| 00:19.46 | MohammadAG | so either compile it for X86, or use an N900 :) |
| 00:19.52 | Pekuja_ | so basically, I can't run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop, at least not with these libraries |
| 00:19.53 | MohammadAG | I'd go for the latter |
| 00:20.08 | Pekuja_ | I can't compile for X86 |
| 00:20.11 | MohammadAG | not sure, aren't there OpenGL ES libraries for the X86 target |
| 00:20.12 | Pekuja_ | the libraries aren't available |
| 00:20.12 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 00:20.21 | MohammadAG | N900 it is then |
| 00:20.26 | Pekuja_ | well, maybe there are libraries available somewhere |
| 00:20.39 | Pekuja_ | but most likely not in the maemo/nokia repos |
| 00:20.48 | Pekuja_ | maybe PowerVR has an emulator or something? |
| 00:21.33 | pupnik | um MohammadAG you can run ARMel binaries in SDK |
| 00:22.01 | MohammadAG | pupnik, the emulator won't run |
| 00:22.28 | MohammadAG | pupnik, if it's OpenGL, I'm assuming he needs on screen output from an emu, not from a shell |
| 00:22.44 | Pekuja_ | MohammadAG: that's what the X server is for |
| 00:22.45 | pupnik | your statement seemed to be more general than opengl. nevermind |
| 00:23.08 | MohammadAG | Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue" |
| 00:23.10 | MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK |
| 00:23.12 | infobot | rumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 00:23.13 | Pekuja_ | I'm not sure if OpenGL runs, but I'm pretty sure normal X11 software can run if console software can |
| 00:23.14 | MohammadAG | last part there ^ |
| 00:23.15 | Pekuja_ | oh? |
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| 00:23.46 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.06 | Pekuja_ | what does exactly mean? |
| 00:24.23 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue" |
| 00:24.38 | Pekuja_ | what is "the emulator"? |
| 00:24.48 | MohammadAG | the UI |
| 00:25.08 | MohammadAG | though emulator is not the best word to describe it |
| 00:25.26 | MohammadAG | since on X86 it's not actually emulating anything |
| 00:25.57 | Funnyface | the other day we were talking a bit about charging currents for the N900.. how about that little adapter that came with the N900? :> |
| 00:28.39 | kajko | there was no little adapter with my N900 |
| 00:29.42 | MohammadAG | EU devices only afaik |
| 00:29.51 | MohammadAG | it didn't come with my US device |
| 00:30.04 | MohammadAG | tbh it's not that good, it over heats a lot |
| 00:30.49 | pigeon | is there some sort of adapter that has a mic so that i could plug any normal headphone to it (for the n900)? |
| 00:30.57 | kajko | i see.... yeah mine is US |
| 00:31.48 | MohammadAG | pigeon, no idea if the N95 ones work |
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| 00:31.51 | MohammadAG | or similar |
| 00:32.00 | MohammadAG | anything pre-N97 to be more precise |
| 00:32.13 | MohammadAG | actually the N97 had a two piece headset |
| 00:32.53 | MohammadAG | the BH-214 if you want a BT "adapter" |
| 00:33.31 | pigeon | oh, bluetooth only? |
| 00:33.55 | MohammadAG | the N97 ones were wired |
| 00:34.02 | MohammadAG | so were the N95 ones |
| 00:34.12 | MohammadAG | but again, no idea if they'd work |
| 00:34.16 | MohammadAG | but I assume they should |
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| 00:37.19 | Funnyface | alright, well I will just keep it in my box then I guess :> |
| 00:37.45 | Pekuja_ | I guess nobody here does OpenGL development then? |
| 00:38.41 | pupnik | i modified an openGL app |
| 00:41.06 | derf | Plenty of people here do OpenGL development. |
| 00:41.22 | derf | At least for some definition of "here". |
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| 00:47.41 | Pekuja_ | derf: it just seems to be hard to get any answers to GL questions :-( |
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| 01:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: any cheap crap from the import/export shop next door will probably do |
| 01:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: N900 has a 3pin stereo headphones 3.5mm compatible 4pin headset AV connector. That's as standard as it could possibly get |
| 01:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | there's a zillion mic-adapter + headphones sets, starting at 5bucks |
| 01:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | and all of them will work to the quality they're built |
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| 01:07.26 | MohammadAG | misses this from his N95 http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/81586_headset.jpg |
| 01:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | the smart one that is? |
| 01:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | with multiple buttons? |
| 01:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, those won't work on N900 |
| 01:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | at least not as expected |
| 01:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | dunno how they work on those phones where they do. Maybe you could hack up sth for N900 |
| 01:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | bu tootb maemo won't support those afaik |
| 01:10.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it doesn't afaik |
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| 01:10.40 | MohammadAG | the N97 mini has the same headset as the N900, but with buttons |
| 01:11.02 | MohammadAG | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IQvea8OOl_4/SxfbkCiY3hI/AAAAAAAAFf4/JZWqlPn0v-M/s1600/30112009669.jpg |
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| 01:12.32 | pupnik | n97 mini is beautiful |
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| 01:14.42 | MohammadAG | it's fugly |
| 01:16.27 | pupnik | you mean the keyboard? |
| 01:16.48 | pupnik | the sliding mechanism is sweet |
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| 01:21.30 | MohammadAG | the N97 is awesome (in terms of design), the N97 mini is just ugly |
| 01:23.39 | pupnik | right. i have a lovely pair of coconuts. |
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| 01:27.46 | MohammadAG | night lcuk :P |
| 01:27.58 | kdubois | my maemo sdk gui installer is failing on dpkg problems, does anyone know a solution? |
| 01:28.10 | pigeon | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 01:28.21 | pigeon | and thanks MohammadAG too |
| 01:28.24 | pupnik | do you use the vmware image for the sdk kdubois |
| 01:28.30 | MohammadAG | np :) |
| 01:28.47 | MohammadAG | most probably not, it doesn't need an insatller |
| 01:28.53 | kdubois | no, i just downloaded the gui python installer i found on the wiki. here's the problem in the log http://pastebin.com/FrevVyGy |
| 01:28.55 | MohammadAG | kdubois, post the log on pastebin.com |
| 01:29.02 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 01:29.10 | pigeon | is a new n900 owner, had it for about a week, and loving it. |
| 01:29.21 | MohammadAG | welcome aboard :) |
| 01:29.29 | pupnik | maemo-core-runtime depends on sudo; however: ???? |
| 01:29.38 | pupnik | *depends* on ubuntu? |
| 01:29.41 | MohammadAG | pupnik, Ubuntu 10.04? |
| 01:30.06 | pupnik | farts |
| 01:30.22 | MohammadAG | is that... a yes? |
| 01:30.23 | kdubois | the host is ubuntu10.04 |
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| 01:30.41 | MohammadAG | needs a link |
| 01:30.43 | MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK |
| 01:30.44 | infobot | from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 01:30.50 | MohammadAG | ~thanks |
| 01:30.50 | infobot | gern geschehen, MohammadAG |
| 01:30.54 | MohammadAG | ~botsnack |
| 01:30.54 | infobot | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 01:31.32 | MohammadAG | kdubois, read the 10.04 part here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution |
| 01:32.06 | kdubois | alright, will give it a try |
| 01:32.26 | MohammadAG | worked for me |
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| 02:05.06 | shinkamui | two things |
| 02:05.21 | shinkamui | 1. I want a google wave client, wasn't someone in here in possession of the API? |
| 02:05.31 | shinkamui | 2. I need a good image viewer that supports folders in folders :) |
| 02:06.51 | njsf_ | shinkamui: there is none AFAIK not even Chrome :) they all crumble under large waves |
| 02:07.26 | shinkamui | yea, I can't even find a pc client for wave |
| 02:07.28 | shinkamui | it kills me |
| 02:07.49 | SpeedEvil | the media player does folders in folders |
| 02:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Of course - it won't actually show you the folders |
| 02:08.01 | SpeedEvil | which... |
| 02:08.03 | njsf_ | shinkamui: I think it will rather kill wave. they made too much of a public announcement |
| 02:09.03 | shinkamui | I just uploaded like 200 pictures into a wave |
| 02:09.09 | shinkamui | firefox is struggling |
| 02:09.28 | shinkamui | and this is on a quad core 3.4ghz box with 6gigs of ram |
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| 02:09.54 | shinkamui | SpeedEvil, lols, thats what sucks |
| 02:10.05 | shinkamui | I want to keep my porn less integrated... |
| 02:10.33 | njsf_ | ecmascript as platform is just too taxing on memory and cpu. JIT helps, but is not the silver bullet |
| 02:10.33 | shinkamui | but seriously, I have lots and lots of photos that I want to keep sorted |
| 02:10.51 | shinkamui | I keep them well nested by category, date, names, etc |
| 02:11.28 | shinkamui | so its aggravating to see them all jumbled in the damn main media player. I excluded the root folder, and would like to use them individually. Mediabox works ok, the problem is mediabox handles image viewing crappily |
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| 02:11.48 | shinkamui | well, I guess beggers can't be choosers |
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| 02:15.38 | pupnik | shinkamui: want to help make gqview a maemo app? |
| 02:15.50 | pupnik | it is blazing fast |
| 02:16.13 | pupnik | and you browse pics by directory, as it should be |
| 02:17.07 | shinkamui | I would love to |
| 02:17.15 | shinkamui | what needs to be done |
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| 02:19.04 | pigeon | would that be geeqie now? |
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| 02:22.29 | pupnik | yes sir, pigeon |
| 02:22.34 | pupnik | but that name sucks |
| 02:22.45 | pigeon | heh |
| 02:25.10 | ohwhyme | woot |
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| 02:34.26 | kdubois | got the sdk installation working, thanks all. |
| 02:38.35 | shinkamui | pupnik, whats your current progress |
| 02:38.46 | shinkamui | have a project site or an svn or source tree? |
| 02:38.51 | pupnik | for what |
| 02:39.10 | pupnik | started juggling things again |
| 02:39.22 | SpeedEvil | passes pupnik a flaming duck. |
| 02:39.30 | shinkamui | gqview |
| 02:40.05 | pupnik | didn't do anything but figure out how to upload it |
| 02:40.14 | pupnik | there are some keybindings i think i can do |
| 02:40.18 | pupnik | right now, other project |
| 02:40.31 | shinkamui | got ya |
| 02:40.38 | shinkamui | so its pretty much just a straight port atm? |
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| 02:40.52 | kdubois | thinks he made a good decision by picking the n900 over an android phone last week :P |
| 02:40.52 | shinkamui | I can probably pick that up, I just set up madde on my laptop to give that some love |
| 02:40.55 | shinkamui | perfect setup |
| 02:41.25 | shinkamui | really been meaning to put the XT2 to use more |
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| 02:41.51 | shinkamui | and I think I read that madde supports wireless remote exec on the device |
| 02:41.54 | shinkamui | with debugging |
| 02:42.07 | pupnik | nice shinkamui |
| 02:43.53 | hawai`i | gentlemen. |
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| 03:01.17 | kdubois | what library do i use in maemo to program in internet connectivity? |
| 03:03.27 | pupnik | libconic? |
| 03:03.54 | pupnik | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/ |
| 03:03.58 | pupnik | i dunno |
| 03:05.21 | njsf_ | kdubois: you mean managing interfaces or connecting to services etc ? |
| 03:05.52 | kdubois | ideally, i'd just be able to call get_internet_connection() :P |
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| 03:09.26 | njsf_ | call me old fashioned I just like plain old bind/connect/list/accept/read/write/send/recv/close :) |
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| 03:11.05 | hawai`i | yes. Just use a socket and call it a day. |
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| 04:06.53 | kdubois | this may be another dumb question, but, using the hildon ui widgets looks different than the widgets that came by default on the n900. are those custom gtk widgets? |
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| 04:14.54 | ds3 | anyone know what's going on with Mapper? Is there 2 apps of the same name or is there a radical overhaul? |
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| 04:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | ovi is so incredibly unattractive |
| 04:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | ovistore to be precise |
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| 04:47.38 | ljp | put rose colored glasses on, that might help :) |
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| 04:55.50 | kajko | ovi store is crap... agreed |
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| 05:00.03 | pigeon | can you use ext2 for the micro sd cards on the n900? |
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| 05:00.52 | microlith | pigeon: you can, but the usb mouting service won't work |
| 05:02.08 | pigeon | hmm, i've put the card it, detected, dmesg shows it, but it's not mounted automatically, is that normal? |
| 05:02.18 | microlith | believe so |
| 05:02.25 | microlith | it's expecting fat32 on the card |
| 05:02.36 | pigeon | ah, right, ok. |
| 05:02.38 | pigeon | thanks |
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| 05:07.08 | dotblank | my groveshark is about 25% done! |
| 05:07.10 | dotblank | app* |
| 05:07.25 | dotblank | I got it to authenticate with grooveshark |
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| 05:13.00 | pigeon | weird, reformatted to vfat, still nothing |
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| 05:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | open backlid and close |
| 05:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: ^^^ |
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| 05:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke DBMS lockup |
| 05:37.56 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DBMS lockup ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 05:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack timriker |
| 05:38.08 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing timriker |
| 05:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~good bot |
| 05:38.22 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 05:38.29 | Wolfie | a fembot? |
| 05:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, she's cute |
| 05:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | when she's got no headache in her database |
| 05:39.09 | Wolfie | fair enough |
| 05:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 05:39.19 | infobot | Since Thu May 13 03:41:14 2010, there have been 14 modifications, 61 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands. I have been awake for 1d 1h 58m 4s this session, and currently reference 117032 factoids. I'm using about 21500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2656.61/84.82 child 0.2/0.06 |
| 05:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | 117032, now that sounds better |
| 05:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo |
| 05:41.37 | infobot | I'm on 107 channels: #debian/937, #maemo/512, #kde/354, #meego/347, #gsoc/262, #asterisk/248, #openmoko/163, #wowace/151, #oe/140, #webos-internals/137, #wowuidev/132, #wowhead/104, #sc2mapster/100, #openmoko-cdevel/95, #htc-linux/87, #utah/65, #tomcat/61, #edev/57, #bzflag/55, #curseforge/53, #asterisk-dev/51, #wowwiki/46, #slug/45, #uclibc/43, #gllug/37, #elinux/35, #/34, #norganna/34, #utos/32, #uphpu/30, #brlcad/26, #openjtag/23, ... |
| 05:41.37 | infobot | i've cached 5017 users, 3632 unique users, distributed over 107 channels. |
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| 05:50.13 | RST38h | OMG infobot is a shadow overlord KILL IT QUICK |
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| 05:53.52 | d14 | morning o/ |
| 05:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
| 05:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: most noticeably infobot is back to normal |
| 05:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | actually since a day +1h |
| 05:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | 2h |
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| 06:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | moin raster |
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| 06:02.10 | raster | dooc! |
| 06:02.55 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: hmm, didn't seem to do anything |
| 06:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | check dmesg |
| 06:03.57 | pigeon | it detected the card and partition, that's it. |
| 06:04.02 | pigeon | mmcblk1 |
| 06:04.09 | pigeon | mmcblk1: p1 |
| 06:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | you formated what exactly |
| 06:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 06:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | which fs? |
| 06:05.25 | pigeon | mkfs.vfat -F 32 |
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| 06:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I never used -F 32 iirc |
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| 06:07.05 | pigeon | hmm |
| 06:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | why not just format in HFM? |
| 06:07.14 | pigeon | hfm? |
| 06:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | hildon filemanager |
| 06:07.58 | pigeon | the file manager? i don't see the card there actually. |
| 06:08.02 | pigeon | i was wondering about that. |
| 06:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's quite odd |
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| 06:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=10K count=1 |
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| 06:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | will nuke all partition tables and fs markers |
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| 06:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | card will be recognized as unformatted |
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| 06:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | on 'inserting' it (actually closing the lid) you probably get a requester asking if it should be formatted - or at least it should show up in FM then (I think) |
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| 06:15.06 | mece | Good morning maemonian hordes |
| 06:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 06:15.30 | mece | ~pr1.2 |
| 06:15.31 | infobot | from memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 06:15.38 | mece | just checking :) |
| 06:15.53 | pupnik_ | mece we could be a lot bettetr |
| 06:16.11 | mece | pupnik_, wot wot? |
| 06:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | no, infobot, PR1.2 is <reply>/cs akick $WHO |
| 06:16.47 | pupnik_ | mece we could be a lot bettetr |
| 06:16.50 | pupnik_ | i just spent 15 hours tryng to get a new app to maemo |
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| 06:17.24 | pupnik_ | and if i keep art it for a week or two i might figure it out |
| 06:17.29 | mece | pupnik_, what is failing? |
| 06:17.33 | pupnik_ | but why for gods sake |
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| 06:17.58 | mece | pupnik_, are you having trouble getting it to devel? |
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| 06:18.15 | pupnik_ | no i need to make it work with maemo |
| 06:18.29 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: /dev/zero... still wouldn't come up, very odd |
| 06:18.31 | pupnik_ | then comes the deb/upload fun |
| 06:18.40 | pigeon | [18511.828002] mmcblk1: mmc0:3fcc SD08G 7.42 GiB |
| 06:18.42 | pigeon | [18511.828338] mmcblk1: unknown partition table |
| 06:18.45 | pigeon | so it's seeing it |
| 06:18.48 | mece | pupnik_, rightyright. Are you porting something existing? |
| 06:19.01 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 06:19.11 | mece | pupnik_, should I be excited? |
| 06:19.13 | pupnik_ | apple ii emulator |
| 06:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: yep. So there's no option in FM to format it now? |
| 06:19.17 | mece | hee |
| 06:19.18 | pupnik_ | not really |
| 06:19.22 | pigeon | maybe i'll try rebooting the phone |
| 06:19.25 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: nope, still nothing. |
| 06:19.26 | mece | pupnik_, so what's the problem then? |
| 06:19.49 | pupnik_ | it makes nasty noises and wont take kbd input |
| 06:20.17 | pupnik_ | someone emailed me for help |
| 06:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: your top level treeview in FM showing what? |
| 06:20.23 | mece | pupnik_, keyboard seems to be the biggest issue with porting. |
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| 06:20.35 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: only N900 |
| 06:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 06:21.05 | pupnik_ | mece i spent so much time of my life on this |
| 06:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | try mkfs.vfat without the -F 32 |
| 06:21.19 | pupnik_ | nokia can try to pry this n900 from me |
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| 06:21.30 | pigeon | i'm doing it on the n900 itself this time, yeah. |
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| 06:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | first partition it maybe, with sfdisk |
| 06:21.54 | mece | pupnik_, are you using a loaner device? |
| 06:22.06 | pupnik_ | yea |
| 06:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if a card without partition table (superfloppy) would work |
| 06:22.23 | pupnik_ | just frustrated |
| 06:22.25 | mece | pupnik_, have they asked about it? A friend of mine has one, and he hasn't mentioned it. |
| 06:22.38 | pigeon | same, i'm rebooting now. |
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| 06:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | maybe a good idea |
| 06:23.00 | pupnik_ | no. and ill keep working too. just sometimes i get beat down |
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| 06:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | some partitioning tools recommend booting after you changed a partition table |
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| 06:25.42 | pigeon | DocScrutinizer: there! "Memory card". |
| 06:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: also the automounter fu might have blown chunks |
| 06:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | great |
| 06:26.05 | dotblank | is http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/nonfree Packages down? |
| 06:26.07 | pigeon | thanks |
| 06:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | almost like windows :-P |
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| 06:26.36 | pigeon | ;) |
| 06:26.48 | F66F | Hi i have an beginner problem I tried to Compile the Qt4 hello Wold Example 4 my n900 using the ESbox. I build the application 4 Arma and copied the executeable to the phone ... but everytime i try 2 exicute with ./qt4helloworld I get the nasty erro unexpeced ( ... has anyone an i Idear whats going wron? |
| 06:26.49 | F66F | g |
| 06:28.13 | dotblank | F66F, I think your trying to copy a binary built for a differant target |
| 06:28.15 | dotblank | try make clean |
| 06:28.17 | dotblank | then make |
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| 06:29.23 | F66F | dotblank: I also tried 2 write an hello wolrd console programm but i wasnt able to find the executeabe in the directorys ... |
| 06:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | also a od -c `which mc`|head -1 might reveal sth |
| 06:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | s/`which mc`/qt4helloworl/ |
| 06:30.10 | F66F | is there anywhere an early begginers tutorial? |
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| 06:32.00 | sobczyk | hi, is it possible to stream video to pc from n900? |
| 06:32.14 | F66F | sobczyk: i think so |
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| 06:32.39 | dotblank | sobczyk, yes with vlc |
| 06:32.51 | sobczyk | there is vlc for n900? :) |
| 06:32.54 | dotblank | sobczyk, also you could just netcat a file |
| 06:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | socat |
| 06:34.16 | dotblank | so I got the QtSDK beta to work with my none pr1.2 device.... im in heaven. Iall the apps ive been making since the sdk released now work :) |
| 06:34.30 | dotblank | non* |
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| 06:40.35 | Appiah | vlc works on n900 |
| 06:40.52 | Appiah | I dont know of any gui port but the cli should work without any problems |
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| 06:47.27 | F66F | is MADDE ready 2 go? |
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| 06:48.09 | F66F | are you using qt creator and an manual compile in scratchbox or ESbox? |
| 06:48.18 | MacDrunk | hey |
| 06:48.42 | MacDrunk | any change that a 3g 850 mhz would be made for nokia n900 |
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| 06:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
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| 06:54.06 | dotblank | F66F, yes |
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| 07:03.14 | F66F | thx cu later when im back home .... |
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| 07:05.26 | wall[e] | hi, should led blink gently while sleeping? |
| 07:05.37 | Stskeeps | depends on charging mode |
| 07:05.41 | wall[e] | my n900's led don't blink |
| 07:05.44 | wall[e] | it isn't charging |
| 07:06.06 | wall[e] | is yours blinking? |
| 07:06.20 | Stskeeps | depends on if i have it in my car charger or not |
| 07:06.43 | wall[e] | it isn't blinking when unplug? |
| 07:06.54 | Stskeeps | no, that'sualy some kind of notification |
| 07:06.54 | Appiah | that can be turned on / off |
| 07:06.59 | alterego | Ooo, "Ovi Store is New and Improved" :D |
| 07:07.08 | wall[e] | it helps me finding it in the dark |
| 07:07.30 | alterego | Not for N900 :D |
| 07:08.14 | wall[e] | Appiah: found, thanks a lot |
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| 07:17.31 | Shapeshifter | mh. I could need some help installing pyqt4, here. apt doesn't want to, because 'python2.5-qt4: Depends: python2.5-qt4-core (= 4.7.3-maemo2) but 4.7-maemo7 is to be installed' for all the ~20 components |
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| 07:17.52 | dAnIeLLL | good day |
| 07:18.30 | Shapeshifter | furthermore: 'python2.5-qt4-core: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed' |
| 07:19.14 | Shapeshifter | inconceivable that such a mess can persist for months... |
| 07:19.32 | hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: welcome in nokia world |
| 07:21.07 | Shapeshifter | so, does someone have some debs I can use? |
| 07:21.21 | Appiah | If you want to port a GTK application to run on Maemo ,and it depends on GTK 2.16 (maemo uses 2.14) What alternatives do I have? |
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| 07:22.15 | hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: use qt from sdk repo |
| 07:22.38 | alterego | Shapeshifter: it's unfortunate, but the work-around has been about for months too :P |
| 07:23.02 | Shapeshifter | hrw-uds: that is safe? could you hand me the repo line, please? |
| 07:23.24 | hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: http://is.gd/c6svp |
| 07:23.45 | alterego | Shapeshifter: I've been doing it for weeks now, stable for me. :) |
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| 07:24.01 | Shapeshifter | nice, thanks |
| 07:24.37 | hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: or install LR1.2 on phone |
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| 07:25.09 | Shapeshifter | nah. I'm not that interested. |
| 07:25.43 | hrw-uds | ~curse nokia for keeping toys |
| 07:25.44 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for keeping toys ! |
| 07:25.53 | alterego | Is it "safe" to install PR1.2 (loser edition) onto the phone and _not_ install the CMT component? Will that allow me to flash back to 1.1.1 without issue? |
| 07:26.10 | Stskeeps | short story no |
| 07:26.16 | alterego | Crabs |
| 07:26.22 | alterego | Oh well. |
| 07:26.30 | alterego | Stskeeps: interested in pointing me to the long story? ;) |
| 07:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | anybody aware of any tool to eavesdrop on i2c communication (sw)? |
| 07:26.55 | Stskeeps | strace? :P |
| 07:26.57 | Stskeeps | ltrace? |
| 07:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: hmm |
| 07:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | my last strace rebooted the device ;-P |
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| 07:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | for sure it's no big thing to patch the kernel driver with a few printk |
| 07:29.44 | Stskeeps | or that |
| 07:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | if only I had the slightest idea how to build a kernel XP |
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| 07:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~debian DocScrutinizer |
| 07:32.05 | infobot | ACTION tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 07:32.11 | Shapeshifter | ...updating catalogues over 2g ftl. |
| 07:32.34 | slonopotamus | infobot: :D |
| 07:32.35 | infobot | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. |
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| 07:32.54 | slonopotamus | infobot: n |
| 07:32.55 | infobot | i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 07:32.55 | Shapeshifter | lolwut |
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| 07:33.51 | slonopotamus | confused |
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| 07:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~bzflag |
| 07:34.32 | infobot | i heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (win32, linux, mac, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
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| 07:35.03 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:35.10 | Treibholz | there is a bzflag for maemo? |
| 07:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | hm, good question |
| 07:36.28 | slonopotamus | ~timriker |
| 07:36.29 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 07:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | /join #bzflag and ask tim riker ;-P |
| 07:36.37 | TigerTael | I love how if the N900's screen is turned off and you want to check it, you slide up the keyboard, the screen turns on, you slide it back down 2 seconds later, the screen turns off immediately... |
| 07:36.43 | TigerTael | It's so awesome. |
| 07:37.07 | slonopotamus | TigerTael: the only problem is that it doesn't work always |
| 07:37.13 | Shapeshifter | TigerTael: I actually like that |
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| 07:37.42 | slonopotamus | TigerTael: if you touch screen, it won't turn off quickly |
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| 07:37.53 | Shapeshifter | though I guess using the slider switch would be better anyway |
| 07:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: that's on purpose |
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| 07:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: I'd call it a bug if it were different |
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| 07:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: yeah, it's actually smart |
| 07:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | not *that* smart, as hw-kbd input also resets the timer. Well that's at least debatable |
| 07:43.24 | TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, ah... |
| 07:43.30 | TigerTael | But I -like- it. |
| 07:43.31 | TigerTael | A lot. |
| 07:43.47 | TigerTael | Quite often I want to check the screen quickly. |
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| 07:44.14 | mece | does anyone feel like helping me get my QPlainTextEdit to scroll? |
| 07:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, for quickly checking the screen the lockswitch actually is the better alternative, less wear |
| 07:45.23 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: lockswitch is harder to use with one hand |
| 07:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's correct |
| 07:45.42 | mece | I use the app that makes power button unlock |
| 07:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | tweakr |
| 07:45.57 | mece | (and lock) |
| 07:46.00 | mece | no not that one |
| 07:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | oO |
| 07:46.12 | mece | lemmesee |
| 07:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway my hw button is borked =( |
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| 07:46.52 | mece | DocScrutinizer, your power button? |
| 07:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 07:47.15 | alterego | "app to make power button unlock" ? I thought it did that already :P |
| 07:47.28 | mece | so how do you turn on your phone? |
| 07:47.46 | slonopotamus | mece: why you want that? |
| 07:47.56 | TigerTael | Why isn't important. |
| 07:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | waiting joyfully for the first time he's standing in the rain, phone has shut down for weird reasons and DocScrutinizer is shouting terrible swearwords while watching out for a cab |
| 07:48.15 | slonopotamus | shutdown -h now? |
| 07:48.24 | slonopotamus | err |
| 07:48.31 | slonopotamus | forget what i said |
| 07:48.32 | mece | it's powerlock. Well actually it locks with a single click on the power button, and it's pretty usable for one handed |
| 07:48.42 | slonopotamus | i read that as 'turn off' |
| 07:48.46 | mece | hee |
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| 07:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | (switch on) for now I fond a method to gently press the button with a 3.41mm long nail of my left hand's middle finger, while holding it 47° angle up to the moon |
| 07:50.32 | mece | come to think of it I don't really like powerlock. |
| 07:50.35 | mece | removing. |
| 07:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | found even |
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| 07:51.37 | slonopotamus | enjoys stereo sound from n900 while balancing it on his head |
| 07:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | I heard you can set force-poweron in flasher with R&D mode, so inserting bat or attaching the charger should make it start |
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| 08:00.25 | corecode_ | if the bitrate is too low, i think you need to do some special dc elimination coding |
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| 08:00.47 | corecode_ | at 2.4k, 9 bits are already at 260Hz |
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| 08:04.05 | dhq1 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.2/Release |
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| 08:04.44 | TigerTael | dhq1, mmm? |
| 08:05.06 | dhq1 | TigerTael: what do you think |
| 08:06.29 | X-Fade | dhq1: Yeah, so? I set that up months ago ;) |
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| 08:08.57 | wall[e] | anyone want 3d artist for foss game n900 can ping me |
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| 08:09.11 | wall[e] | i am good! |
| 08:09.27 | dhq1 | X-Fade: but uploaded today |
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| 08:10.18 | X-Fade | dhq1: No, it is just a copy of extras at the moment. |
| 08:10.50 | mece | wall[e], post an add in development on tmo. There might actually be some takers, who knows? |
| 08:10.56 | X-Fade | dhq1: So both fremantle and fremantle-1.2 extras are the same now. After PR1.2, only the fremantle-1.2 one will continue to update. |
| 08:11.20 | wall[e] | mece: will, thanks :) |
| 08:11.37 | wall[e] | but probably prefer some irc regular |
| 08:11.46 | wall[e] | hobbies should be done on irc not mail |
| 08:11.53 | wall[e] | :) |
| 08:12.01 | dhq1 | X-Fade: damn i was so happy thinking pr1.2 would be out today :( |
| 08:12.07 | mece | hee |
| 08:12.13 | wall[e] | now building a theme |
| 08:12.25 | X-Fade | dhq1: Release file will update on every promotion to Extras ;) |
| 08:12.53 | dhq1 | which means we are near |
| 08:13.12 | X-Fade | dhq1: No. |
| 08:13.29 | dhq1 | hmmm |
| 08:13.35 | X-Fade | This is extras, not SSU repo. |
| 08:13.40 | Appiah | :D |
| 08:13.45 | dhq1 | is sad..... |
| 08:14.18 | Appiah | I laugh every time when I see someone talking about PR1.2 |
| 08:14.29 | dhq1 | wishes she had a boyfriend to help console her |
| 08:15.07 | Appiah | well you could write a app for that dhq1 |
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| 08:16.17 | dhq1 | hmmm |
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| 08:18.12 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway |
| 08:18.30 | dolphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.42 | thresh | http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway |
| 08:18.56 | RST38h | heh |
| 08:19.00 | dolphin | sorry |
| 08:19.04 | thresh | combobreaker:( |
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| 08:35.37 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i generally make calls which are 10-120 mins long |
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| 08:35.41 | timeless_mbp | and send very few text messages |
| 08:35.48 | timeless_mbp | my calls are also generally international |
| 08:36.06 | timeless_mbp | the closest ones are England, and the furthest ones are generally California, although I've also called Mexico City :) |
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| 08:37.49 | Shapeshifter | ehm. installed the qt from the sdk repo to make pyqt work. Now, whend I do 'from PyQt4 import QtCore' it says: "RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyQt4.QtCore module required API v7.1" |
| 08:37.54 | Shapeshifter | what's missing? |
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| 08:39.35 | Shapeshifter | and what's 'sip' referring to, anyway? |
| 08:39.41 | Shapeshifter | sip telephony? why would I need that? |
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| 08:41.36 | Shapeshifter | do I need a newer python from the sdk repo maybe? |
| 08:41.37 | timeless_mbp | the Qt you're seeing isn't your father's Qt |
| 08:41.40 | Surfa | sip is a protocol that enables you to talk over packet data connections |
| 08:41.42 | timeless_mbp | it's Qt mobility apis |
| 08:41.56 | timeless_mbp | remember a while ago Qt worked to make a phone stack |
| 08:42.06 | timeless_mbp | can't remember the name of the phone (Qtopia something) |
| 08:42.09 | Surfa | Shapeshifter, it's more or less standard way of doing that so most probably you will use it in the future, like it or not :) |
| 08:42.36 | timeless_mbp | my calls are probably 90% sip, 7% skype, 3% pots |
| 08:42.51 | timeless_mbp | (by time, not volume) |
| 08:43.02 | Surfa | Shapeshifter, but actually to be more exact, the sip is just session initiating protocol.. that may be used for multiple other purposes too |
| 08:43.08 | Shapeshifter | Surfa: sure, I know what sip is. I didn't know it was part of QtCore. in any case, any clues how to get rid of that error? |
| 08:43.46 | Surfa | well, sip is quite crucial for mobility stuff so it is needed :) |
| 08:44.34 | timeless_mbp | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571203 |
| 08:46.01 | Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: yeah I googled that already. |
| 08:46.03 | timeless_mbp | wonders if sip is a different sip |
| 08:46.09 | Shapeshifter | but they "fixed" it somewhere. |
| 08:46.14 | Shapeshifter | yeah I think that sip is not *the* sip. |
| 08:46.33 | timeless_mbp | it might be "Software Input Panel" |
| 08:46.33 | Shapeshifter | goes asking in #python |
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| 08:47.24 | timeless_mbp | but i don't think so |
| 08:47.31 | timeless_mbp | it looks like python and co being 'helpful' |
| 08:47.38 | timeless_mbp | suggests shooting python a couple of times |
| 08:47.45 | timeless_mbp | it'll make you feel better if nothing else :) |
| 08:48.58 | Shapeshifter | noooo, my lovely pythong :'( |
| 08:49.05 | pupnik | i suggest timeless_mbp and pupnik grab a couple of beers someday |
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| 08:49.07 | Shapeshifter | s/g // |
| 08:51.37 | inz | Shape, freudian slip? |
| 08:52.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: greenphone |
| 08:52.45 | zlimvos | cant figure out how to uncompress an .lzh on my n900, any ideas? |
| 08:53.04 | Shapeshifter | I installed python2.5-sip4 and it's gone now. |
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| 08:53.18 | jaska | .lzh? someone still uses lha? |
| 08:53.21 | Shapeshifter | inz: it's odd. I do that typo thrice a day |
| 08:53.36 | Shapeshifter | probably because *ng is so common in english |
| 08:53.43 | zlimvos | for the amiga emulator, want to run some old skool demoz :p |
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| 08:54.56 | RichardP | is there a multitouch implementation for Maemo? |
| 08:55.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: when they discontinued it, they suggested to use openmoko for further development of qte ;-) |
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| 08:55.42 | timeless_mbp | yeah, that worked well :) |
| 08:55.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 08:56.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ljp was happy like a clam |
| 08:56.09 | inz | Shape, or maybe you would rather talk about thongs |
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| 08:57.25 | Shapeshifter | inz: :P |
| 08:58.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | lempel ziff huffman.... hmm |
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| 09:46.07 | wazd | ~seen vdvsx |
| 09:46.08 | infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 20h 1m 40s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'. |
| 09:46.12 | wazd | :( |
| 09:46.28 | wazd | hello people :) |
| 09:46.33 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
| 09:47.31 | wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) |
| 09:47.34 | RST38h | helo wazd |
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| 09:47.44 | wazd | RST38h: moo |
| 09:47.44 | RST38h | how is life treating you nowadays? =) |
| 09:47.58 | thresh | yo |
| 09:48.01 | wazd | RST38h: meh, deadlines season :) |
| 09:48.06 | wazd | thresh: o/ |
| 09:48.16 | RST38h | wazd: ...and then 3 months of calm |
| 09:48.22 | wazd | RST38h: yeah :) |
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| 09:48.32 | wazd | RST38h: that keeps me alive :) |
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| 09:52.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha gpsjinni... in 'general' screen it shows I'm walking with 4.7-5.2Km/h. that's quite ok - not though the ~784Km/h the 'speed' display shows |
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| 09:56.33 | wazd | where's VDVsx I wonder :) |
| 09:57.01 | wazd | just checked BlueMaemo and was shocked with "waiting for connection" screen :D |
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| 10:30.24 | rmrfchik | ping |
| 10:30.50 | lcuk | pong |
| 10:31.34 | rmrfchik | hmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F1 |
| 10:32.34 | andre__ | why? |
| 10:33.47 | rmrfchik | Functional key gives me ` and I have no idea where is F1 ;) |
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| 10:36.36 | frals | pongs lcuk |
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| 10:37.04 | lcuk | yeah frals you have plenty of pong to give |
| 10:37.09 | lcuk | i suggest you go shower actually ;) |
| 10:37.12 | frals | :D |
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| 10:43.53 | Shapeshifter | mh. has qt4 been in rootfs in pr.1.1.1? |
| 10:44.12 | Shapeshifter | suddenly, I have 30mb free on rootfs after having upgraded to the qt4.6 from the sdk repo. |
| 10:44.17 | Shapeshifter | as opposed to 12 before |
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| 11:02.38 | Shapeshifter | mh. yay the new pyside (shiboken) is significantly faster than the old one :) |
| 11:02.58 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ^ which means alarmed starts much more quickly |
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| 11:10.00 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 11:10.44 | Khertan | to qt maemo dev ... does the kinetic doesn't work the same on qt4.6 than on qt 4.5 ? |
| 11:11.26 | Khertan | on 4.5 putting on a QTextEdit an attribute FingerScrollable was enought |
| 11:11.39 | Khertan | but doesn't seems to work on 4.6 |
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| 11:12.21 | Kaadlajk | Khertan: on 4.6.2 kinetic scrolling should be enabled on default |
| 11:13.21 | Khertan | hum ... doesn't seems to be the case on QTextedit |
| 11:13.34 | Khertan | i m just in a "select" mode |
| 11:13.51 | Arkenoi | seems that $600 is minimal price in Moscow. ~$500 offers are chinese fakes |
| 11:14.05 | Khertan | in fact i ve just just test.. no select mode too |
| 11:14.11 | Arkenoi | that's funny because chilese fakes cost $150 or so |
| 11:14.13 | Khertan | it s just move the cursor |
| 11:14.22 | Arkenoi | chinese |
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| 11:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: nice :-) |
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| 11:18.05 | bullet` | hi everyone |
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| 11:22.29 | RST38h | moo to whoever I have not mooed yet today |
| 11:22.49 | bullet` | mooing ? |
| 11:23.12 | lcuk | hey RST38h |
| 11:23.14 | bullet` | mooes to RST38h !! good day :p |
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| 11:25.05 | RST38h | heya lcuk |
| 11:26.31 | Kaadlajk | Khertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html says that QTextEdit doesnt have kinetic scrolling enabled on default |
| 11:26.51 | Kaadlajk | Khertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-textedit.html |
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| 11:30.40 | achipa | whoa |
| 11:30.53 | achipa | that first article on maemo.org/news just got very... binary |
| 11:32.00 | SpeedEvil | huh? |
| 11:32.02 | X-Fade | achipa: ? |
| 11:32.14 | SpeedEvil | A ridiculous race is going on in the world of Smartphones, with each competitor boasting about the number of available apps for his platform. With Apple tal |
| 11:32.15 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 11:32.17 | SpeedEvil | wfm |
| 11:32.35 | achipa | yeah |
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| 11:32.37 | achipa | now click on the link |
| 11:33.04 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 11:33.06 | frals | hehe |
| 11:33.09 | X-Fade | Ah, wtf. |
| 11:33.09 | achipa | Oh indeed :) |
| 11:33.33 | SpeedEvil | OMG! It's PR1.3! |
| 11:33.50 | achipa | or the Apple commando :) |
| 11:34.11 | SpeedEvil | It's gzipped |
| 11:34.17 | SpeedEvil | but the server is not indicating so |
| 11:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | errrrwut? |
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| 11:35.26 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/tomch.html - mirror of uncompressed |
| 11:37.20 | frals | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 11:37.25 | frals | ~curse Qt |
| 11:37.26 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Qt ! |
| 11:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 13:36 3255 37 37 -201 760 760 760 65535 226 30 0 |
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| 11:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 LOW |
| 11:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 3V255 :-D |
| 11:40.00 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 11:40.05 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | running my bat flat |
| 11:40.17 | SpeedEvil | mine shut down at - I think - 3100 or so |
| 11:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 11:40.33 | SpeedEvil | I hadn't turned GSM off though |
| 11:40.47 | SpeedEvil | It was saying 6^ RSOC |
| 11:40.50 | SpeedEvil | 6% |
| 11:41.03 | SpeedEvil | which means 'between EVDF1 and EVDF2 |
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| 11:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | well the phone is whining and nagging since >90min now. And I got backlight on all the time |
| 11:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | hah! dead |
| 11:43.02 | SpeedEvil | diddn't make any noises for me |
| 11:43.09 | ZogG | wierd my mauku and tweego can't log in |
| 11:43.12 | MohammadAG | dead bme? |
| 11:43.17 | ZogG | does twitter changed api? |
| 11:43.23 | MohammadAG | twitter kicked you |
| 11:43.25 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:43.25 | RST38h | Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg called his first few thousand users "dumb fucks" for trusting him with their data, published IM transcripts show. |
| 11:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | dead battery |
| 11:43.34 | RST38h | hehes |
| 11:43.37 | MohammadAG | maybe they switched to OAuth |
| 11:43.45 | MohammadAG | but that's schedueled for July |
| 11:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | hope I'll manage to switch it on again >:-O |
| 11:44.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: If you leave it overnight - it seems to get to 32V |
| 11:44.21 | SpeedEvil | 3.2V |
| 11:44.35 | pigeon | on the n900 is it possible to toggle between the mass storage mode and pc suite mode without unplugging the usb cable? |
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| 11:45.16 | MohammadAG | nope, sadly |
| 11:45.16 | pigeon | hmm |
| 11:45.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:45.17 | SpeedEvil | reboot |
| 11:45.17 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 11:45.17 | pigeon | ahha! |
| 11:45.34 | ZogG | <MohammadAG> maybe they switched to OAuth (what are you talking about?) |
| 11:45.41 | omar | RST38h, where'd you get that from? |
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| 11:47.30 | MohammadAG | ZogG, twitter will switch to OAuth in July |
| 11:47.42 | MohammadAG | tweego uses the API method |
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| 11:47.48 | MohammadAG | which will be dumped |
| 11:47.54 | ZogG | oh |
| 11:47.57 | ZogG | so it was to me |
| 11:47.58 | MohammadAG | only witter uses OAuth afaik |
| 11:48.03 | ZogG | anyway it doesn't work =) |
| 11:48.04 | MohammadAG | should be in july |
| 11:48.07 | MohammadAG | http://apiwiki.twitter.com/OAuth-FAQ |
| 11:48.29 | ZogG | oh, didn't know -thanks |
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| 12:02.32 | dotblank | check it out... |
| 12:02.45 | dotblank | just got my client to get song lists from grooveshark |
| 12:02.46 | dotblank | http://imgur.com/fexMx.png |
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| 12:07.51 | alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52190 -- Awesome... |
| 12:08.11 | chem|st | crashanddie: no |
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| 12:08.25 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 12:08.40 | chem|st | crashanddie: whats up? |
| 12:09.24 | crashanddie | nha, some wanker who was multi-posting on TMO to get up to 5 posts and be able to use the private messages |
| 12:09.38 | crashanddie | really, I'd call that attempt to spam, but well, texrat deleted the fraudulent messages |
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| 12:10.10 | chem|st | crashanddie: you bunch'o'freaks |
| 12:10.34 | chem|st | crashanddie: well not you but them... |
| 12:10.48 | crashanddie | that's what I thought, bitch |
| 12:10.52 | chem|st | my mailbox is full with TMO reported posts |
| 12:11.05 | crashanddie | chem|st: gmail? |
| 12:11.13 | chem|st | no |
| 12:11.16 | crashanddie | ah, fail :) |
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| 12:11.53 | crashanddie | I had an auto filter that would mark them as read if they were older than 12h, would automatically archive them and label them (removing them from my inbox) |
| 12:12.10 | chem|st | private server... and full in terms on I open the first page and 50%+ is TMO |
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| 12:13.07 | chem|st | as Smod I have to look as I cant consider to have reggie doing it all |
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| 12:13.21 | chem|st | so gotogo |
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| 12:14.42 | crashanddie | are you getting paid for this shit? |
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| 12:21.29 | alterego | I was thinking of implementing per-contact ring tones, is there any chance of this being in PR1.2? I can't recollect actually hearing anything about it ... |
| 12:21.55 | X-Fade | alterego: Not in my PR1.2 version at least. |
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| 12:22.01 | timeless_mbp | alterego: incredibly unlikely |
| 12:22.04 | timeless_mbp | so please do implement it |
| 12:22.22 | alterego | Unlikely for 1.2, but is it in any kind of N900 roadmap |
| 12:22.24 | alterego | ? |
| 12:22.39 | dotblank | I know a why |
| 12:22.41 | dotblank | way* |
| 12:22.54 | timeless_mbp | alterego: i don't think we have a roadmap |
| 12:22.54 | X-Fade | alterego: I think most improvements planned are not in the 'phone' part. |
| 12:22.57 | jaska | call filtering? |
| 12:23.07 | dotblank | I madea a post about ti.. |
| 12:23.13 | alterego | jaska: I've actually got a script that does call filtering already ;) |
| 12:23.14 | timeless_mbp | or if we have a roadmap it's likely that the roadmap gets changed so often that no one knows what's on it :) |
| 12:23.22 | dotblank | you make the ringtone a named pipe |
| 12:23.26 | alterego | Even has a UI, I might work on both of these over the weekend and push to extras |
| 12:23.32 | jaska | o.O |
| 12:23.46 | X-Fade | alterego: Interesting :) |
| 12:23.51 | alterego | dotblank: interesting, good idea, I was thinking a symlink ^.^ |
| 12:24.01 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: We have GPS, but the Amazon Ash Cloud (AC2) is preventing reception from satellite signals |
| 12:24.12 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: and well, roadmaps suck. |
| 12:24.13 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: awesome |
| 12:24.24 | dotblank | alterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49522 |
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| 12:25.31 | crashanddie | btw, WTF Nokia? "Even teddy bears need a holiday... in Finland" http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64B2Q920100512?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FoddlyEnoughNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Oddly+Enough%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher |
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| 12:26.20 | `0660 | dotblank, pretty cool hack :) |
| 12:27.02 | dotblank | im working on a grooveshark client right now too |
| 12:27.08 | tybollt | crashanddie: amazon ash cloud? Look I know amazon.com are assholes - but that they intentionally release ash clouds into the ahmospehere? ;) |
| 12:28.09 | crashanddie | Hey, they're an American corporation |
| 12:28.16 | crashanddie | shitting all over Europe for profit is what they do best |
| 12:29.00 | zlimvos | uae4all will crash upon trying to run any app :( i have tried 2 kick.roms 1.3 and they look ok |
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| 12:29.36 | crashanddie | Sometimes it backfires, and you get a European oil corp shitting all over the east coast of the US |
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| 12:29.43 | crashanddie | but the general rule is that Europe gets the hard stick |
| 12:30.17 | alterego | Is there a hack to get MfE to use a self-signed cert? |
| 12:30.25 | alterego | Can I just download it and stick it in some directory somewhere? |
| 12:30.31 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 12:30.39 | crashanddie | self-signed cert as in server is self-signed? |
| 12:30.47 | alterego | yes |
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| 12:31.00 | crashanddie | put your self-signed CA in the trusted Root certs? |
| 12:32.18 | crashanddie | ohh, did I just baffle you? |
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| 12:32.40 | tybollt | crashanddie: :D |
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| 12:35.14 | crashanddie | hmm, just got declined for 2 jobs canonical, still 4 applications pending with them |
| 12:35.35 | crashanddie | though I was told by an insider "Don't even expect a response, if you don't hear anything after 2 weeks, move on" |
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| 12:35.57 | alterego | crashanddie: do you know where the certs are stored? |
| 12:36.05 | crashanddie | so I don't if that means my candidacies were so bad they felt they had to reply, or so good that I just missed it. |
| 12:36.15 | crashanddie | alterego: settings > certificates |
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| 12:36.31 | alterego | crashanddie: adding it to there will get MfE to accept it? |
| 12:36.39 | crashanddie | s/don't/don't know/ |
| 12:36.49 | crashanddie | alterego: do you understand how PKI works? |
| 12:37.01 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; Run into a slight problem with the translation selection, when in "Select preferred source for English", both 'Default' and 'Native Speaker' are displayed as 'current' and I get the default Nokia English instead of your translations. |
| 12:37.04 | alterego | crashanddie: I don't know what PKI is if that's what you mean :P |
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| 12:37.21 | crashanddie | meh |
| 12:37.30 | crashanddie | I'm going to have breakfast, later |
| 12:37.37 | crashanddie | alterego: help yourself: google.com |
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| 12:41.00 | timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: yeah |
| 12:41.08 | timeless_mbp | something is broken, i'll try to fix it on sunday :( |
| 12:41.23 | timeless_mbp | if you're using .1, you can try using <dotless>, i think it's working a bit better |
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| 12:47.48 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; okey, I can live with the Nokia English this weekend, though you had some config file where I could remove the "default" from |
| 12:48.18 | timeless_mbp | not easily |
| 12:48.22 | timeless_mbp | i mean |
| 12:48.24 | timeless_mbp | you could cheat |
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| 12:48.53 | timeless_mbp | if you renamed /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.backup |
| 12:49.12 | timeless_mbp | and then made a symlink or something from /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.1 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0 |
| 12:49.19 | timeless_mbp | (roughly) |
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| 12:49.33 | timeless_mbp | although perhaps a copy is better than a symlink |
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| 12:50.05 | TriztFromWork | okey, that was kind of the solution I was thinking about yesterday. I think I'll wait instead, or else I just forget to rename the direcotry lateron |
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| 12:57.56 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that *.0 gets overwritten as part of a backup process and .1/.2 get overwritten as part of the deb update process |
| 12:58.23 | MohammadAG_ | the iPhone's 1 button is multifunctional |
| 12:58.28 | timeless_mbp | (so you kinda want to replace .0 and <undotted> with .1 at the same time |
| 12:58.35 | timeless_mbp | (a symlink could actually be very bad) |
| 12:58.48 | MohammadAG_ | one click takes you to the homescreen, 2 to the phone, 3 to accessibility options |
| 12:58.57 | MohammadAG_ | might be useful for camkeyd |
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| 13:01.05 | TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; I'll try to remember to not use symlink if I do that hack |
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| 13:18.46 | alterego | scht |
| 13:19.22 | alterego | My device rebooted whilst I was attempting to setup MfE, now it's got itself into a state where it thinks the wizard dialog is already opened when it isn't. |
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| 13:28.07 | korhojoa | hey guys, would it be possible to stream from the camera with vlc and v4l? |
| 13:28.33 | korhojoa | that'd be pretty awesome if i could get it to work |
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| 13:30.52 | GAN900 | korhojoa, yes. |
| 13:31.52 | korhojoa | now where can i get vlc, can't seem to find it in the repos |
| 13:32.08 | MohammadAG_ | Qole's repo |
| 13:33.24 | korhojoa | do you have a line for that? |
| 13:33.28 | MohammadAG_ | sec |
| 13:33.49 | MohammadAG_ | deb http://qole.org/repository maemo fremantle |
| 13:34.07 | korhojoa | thanks |
| 13:34.19 | MohammadAG_ | np |
| 13:35.26 | korhojoa | damn. how do you enter that in the app manager? |
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| 13:38.02 | korhojoa | weird. it's like 27 degrees here |
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| 13:38.13 | korhojoa | at this time of year. in finland. |
| 13:38.15 | korhojoa | jebus. |
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| 13:46.38 | TriztFromWork | korhojoa; here it's just 11 degrees... and this is just the crap west of you |
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| 13:49.08 | korhojoa | TriztFromWork: :D hah. ert väder suger! |
| 13:50.06 | TriztFromWork | korhojoa; :) kyllä se niin on |
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| 13:54.57 | hawai`i | Left my N900 with about 90% battery, MSN and email over EDGE for 8 hours last night |
| 13:55.08 | hawai`i | Woke up to 68% battery. My new voltage table is BOMBDIGGITY |
| 13:55.41 | frals | so err |
| 13:55.44 | frals | http://mms.frals.se/dialog/pretty.png vs http://mms.frals.se/dialog/functional.png |
| 13:55.47 | frals | which one should i use |
| 13:55.51 | MohammadAG_ | pretty! |
| 13:55.53 | MohammadAG_ | sec |
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| 13:56.01 | frals | looks over at timeless_mbp |
| 13:56.10 | hawai`i | frals: Pretty |
| 13:56.11 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 13:56.22 | hawai`i | Or |
| 13:56.34 | frals | i changed the entries like you suggested, problem is MMSC doesnt fit on screen without scrolling |
| 13:56.55 | timeless_mbp | frals: that's expected behavior for fremantle |
| 13:57.15 | timeless_mbp | i'd move the MMSC abve the proxy stuff |
| 13:57.18 | MohammadAG_ | frals, tbh I don't like the pretty one a lot, BUT you could make the ip one shorter and make the port txt box next to it |
| 13:57.19 | lcuk | frals, where have you moved MMSC to? |
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| 13:57.31 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: "offscreen down, see invisible scrollbar indicator" |
| 13:57.35 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, he has to scroll from what I understand |
| 13:57.36 | frals | lcuk: need to scroll to see it in the pretty one :< |
| 13:58.00 | lcuk | doh timeless_mbp how could i miss the invisible scrollbar *rolleyes* ;) |
| 13:58.00 | timeless_mbp | frals: anyway, move the MMSC above Proxy |
| 13:58.12 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: take your rolling eyes to someone who can fix it! |
| 13:58.23 | timeless_mbp | you almost certainly have better access now than i do |
| 13:58.24 | frals | timeless_mbp: good point, that i can do |
| 13:58.26 | lcuk | i would technically move it above username |
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| 13:58.43 | MohammadAG_ | i would move the port number next to the IP |
| 13:58.51 | timeless_mbp | hrm, yeah lcuk's right, APN, MMSC, User, Pass, Proxy, Port |
| 13:58.58 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, yeah i know, i rolleyes whenever hidden ux is discussed ;) |
| 13:59.00 | MohammadAG_ | xx.xx.xx.xx:port |
| 13:59.04 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: proxy could be a host instead of a port |
| 13:59.20 | lcuk | thats a nice one timeless |
| 13:59.22 | timeless_mbp | err s/port/ip/ |
| 13:59.22 | MohammadAG_ | so move the text box next to it |
| 13:59.27 | lcuk | a combined field for ip/port |
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| 13:59.35 | lcuk | errr both on same line |
| 13:59.35 | hawai`i | host:port |
| 13:59.42 | MohammadAG_ | just a "ux" change |
| 13:59.43 | timeless_mbp | the problem w/ combined things is that you're assuming users know how to enter that |
| 13:59.50 | timeless_mbp | this isn't likely |
| 13:59.52 | hawai`i | Use the label to tell them |
| 13:59.58 | hawai`i | : is the field separator |
| 13:59.59 | timeless_mbp | Proxy:Port ? |
| 14:00.04 | timeless_mbp | as a label? |
| 14:00.06 | MohammadAG_ | that's not what i meant |
| 14:00.06 | hawai`i | Yes |
| 14:00.08 | timeless_mbp | do you think that'll work? |
| 14:00.17 | hawai`i | Then 2 separate dialog boxes |
| 14:00.24 | timeless_mbp | hawai`i: that's where we started =b |
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| 14:00.27 | hawai`i | timeless_mbp: I think you'd have to be a complete moron not to understand that. |
| 14:00.28 | hawai`i | haha |
| 14:00.31 | hawai`i | Ah I see |
| 14:00.40 | timeless_mbp | hawai`i: the majority of people are |
| 14:00.44 | frals | yeah not gonna combine them based on my experience with users filling in fields |
| 14:00.46 | hawai`i | This is true. |
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| 14:01.15 | timeless_mbp | what you could do is make tapping the proxy field pop up a dialog asking for both |
| 14:01.32 | timeless_mbp | if you really want to "save space" |
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| 14:02.01 | muelli | hm. can one have only two profiles on the N900? |
| 14:02.07 | timeless_mbp | muelli: no |
| 14:02.12 | timeless_mbp | the ui only exposes two profiles |
| 14:02.15 | timeless_mbp | the backend doesn't care |
| 14:02.29 | timeless_mbp | (users are simpletons, profiles are confusing) |
| 14:02.43 | satmd | maybe |
| 14:02.45 | muelli | timeless_mbp: hm. Which translates to two profiles only -.- |
| 14:02.46 | timeless_mbp | oh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpeltons |
| 14:02.53 | timeless_mbp | s/pel/ple/ |
| 14:03.01 | satmd | I agree |
| 14:03.02 | timeless_mbp | or were, they don't exist anymore |
| 14:03.25 | timeless_mbp | trying to design a good ui for profiles is hard |
| 14:03.31 | aquatix | they've been... eliminated? |
| 14:03.35 | hawai`i | Not really. |
| 14:03.39 | timeless_mbp | and i'd actually rather the ui team screw up w/ 2 profiles than screw up an editor |
| 14:03.53 | timeless_mbp | this way the deficiency is obvious and a third party can see a need and fill it |
| 14:04.00 | timeless_mbp | just as frals saw a need for fMMS and wrote it |
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| 14:04.18 | timeless_mbp | and is taking feedback from people and customers and iterating to improve his product |
| 14:04.29 | aquatix | true |
| 14:04.41 | hawai`i | it's a 2 edged sword. |
| 14:04.42 | timeless_mbp | anyway, any of you are invited to do profiles right |
| 14:04.44 | aquatix | 3rd party solution might be best |
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| 14:04.47 | hawai`i | We have the power to do it |
| 14:04.56 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that i've actually written ~4 control panels for maemo/mer |
| 14:04.59 | aquatix | a bit like Locale or Timeriffic do on Android |
| 14:05.00 | hawai`i | but it shouldn't be due to that, that things are less out. |
| 14:05.04 | timeless_mbp | and have helped people w/ various other things |
| 14:05.14 | timeless_mbp | hawai`i: =~ s/less/left/ ? |
| 14:05.18 | hawai`i | Yes. |
| 14:05.45 | RST38h | Strangers in the moo... |
| 14:05.55 | hawai`i | Trying to eat some breakfast and write some scripts at the same time |
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| 14:06.26 | MohammadAG | frals, was thinking of something like this http://i43.tinypic.com/mwzfco.jpg |
| 14:06.30 | MohammadAG | back to the N900 |
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| 14:07.29 | hawai`i | You could then slim down the box heights |
| 14:07.58 | MohammadAG_ | which would bring him back to the functional one |
| 14:08.10 | hawai`i | Not completely |
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| 14:08.50 | MohammadAG_ | Each to their own :) Moving the port next to the IP is the cleanest method to use consistent UX |
| 14:09.03 | hawai`i | I agree, kind sir. |
| 14:09.17 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 14:09.42 | MohammadAG_ | tbh I never thought of the consistency UX till people started complaining |
| 14:09.53 | MohammadAG_ | s/cy/t |
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| 14:11.43 | hawai`i | You're so beautiful, you could be a part-time model. |
| 14:12.08 | MohammadAG_ | guess it's time for hawai`i's pills again |
| 14:12.18 | hawai`i | nooo but I don't want them! |
| 14:12.39 | aquatix | and i just was feeling flattered |
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| 14:14.14 | frals | MohammadAG_: interesting idea :) |
| 14:14.26 | frals | anyone here using fMMS and on DNA .fi btw? :/ |
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| 14:20.12 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: a colleague said "well, regressed in harmattan, is there a shirt for that?" |
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| 14:21.13 | SpeedEvil | is chargin' his laz0r. |
| 14:21.19 | SpeedEvil | s/laz0r/n900/ |
| 14:21.33 | SpeedEvil | stabs BME. |
| 14:22.11 | lcuk | timeless_mbp eep |
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| 14:26.33 | GAN900 | frals, did I ever ask you if fMMS would be feasible as a plugin? |
| 14:26.53 | frals | plugin for conversations? |
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| 14:27.11 | GAN900 | Yeah |
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| 14:27.35 | GAN900 | Since having a whole app for it is kinda clunky. |
| 14:27.39 | frals | well, if someone is mad enough to do it he can feel free, im not going to thou |
| 14:27.58 | frals | ive talked to some people with knowledge in the area and they advised against it as well |
| 14:28.06 | lcuk | GAN900, one step at a time - to insert into conversations it would need a whole lot more |
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| 14:30.10 | GAN900 | Too bad |
| 14:30.23 | GAN900 | Hooray for Nokia's useless plugin interfaces. |
| 14:31.24 | GAN900 | "If we make this impossible, nobody will want to waste their time trying to do it and asking us questions!" |
| 14:31.33 | GAN900 | "We don't have to do docs, either!" |
| 14:31.41 | RST38h | Can't have useful plugin interfaces if people do not use and review them |
| 14:31.55 | lcuk | GAN900, they give you a plugin system |
| 14:32.05 | RST38h | (example: stdio vs iostreams) |
| 14:32.42 | GAN900 | lcuk, apparently it's unusable |
| 14:32.45 | tybollt | yes frals |
| 14:32.51 | GAN900 | So, might as well not have one. |
| 14:33.07 | RST38h | no, no, there is a line in "deliverables" to be checked |
| 14:33.07 | tybollt | if you get fmms to work asa plugin |
| 14:33.17 | tybollt | -> FRALS FOR PREZ |
| 14:33.23 | GAN900 | Clearly not a good way to go about doing things if the only people shipping plugins are Collabora, luck. :) |
| 14:33.51 | RST38h | well to be fair there are other people besides collabora... |
| 14:34.02 | RST38h | the -haze guy is not from collabora, right? |
| 14:34.55 | lcuk | GAN900, the plugins are for backend providers afaik, nothing to do with front end ui. is there a system anywhere that could do as you think is possible |
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| 14:36.23 | frals | fwiw its probably doable |
| 14:36.43 | zaheerm | telepathy is around for more than just maemo, and there is more than just collabora using it and making backends for it |
| 14:37.08 | frals | but like, from my pov i dont see it as worthwhile to spend time on atm as there is plenty other stuff to fix |
| 14:37.22 | frals | also easier changing a no to yes then a yes to a no ;-) |
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| 14:38.27 | tybollt | frals: fwiw FRALS FOR PREZ is also probably doable... especially w/ such stolpskott as Toiblerone Sahlin that is aspiring for it :) |
| 14:39.06 | zash | what |
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| 14:41.20 | GAN900 | zaheerm, yes, but Conversations? |
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| 14:43.14 | zaheerm | GAN900, the plugins there are just account plugins no? the majority of the code needed is as telepathy connection managers and the like |
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| 14:45.32 | GAN900 | I'd love to see a sane way to provide new services in Conversations |
| 14:45.58 | GAN900 | If Nokia's going to ship a centralized communications area, it should be able to be extended easily. |
| 14:47.11 | zlimvos | anyone might have a clue why uae4all will crash on all applications? even the ones confirmed working with n900 |
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| 14:48.35 | Mbere | hmmmm |
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| 14:49.58 | zlimvos | e-uae will at least try (and fail) |
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| 14:54.19 | chadi | hello guys. On the N900, is there a way to prevent the cam from starting when the lens is opened? |
| 14:54.46 | jacekowski | chadi: glue |
| 14:55.03 | Mbere | glue? |
| 14:55.03 | chadi | is that an app? |
| 14:55.08 | jacekowski | chadi: depends, you can either hack software or hardware |
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| 14:55.20 | jacekowski | chadi: piece of black tape on sensor would do the job |
| 14:55.26 | chadi | I thought it was implemented already |
| 14:55.51 | chadi | expected the feature to be available in tweakr, but it wasn't |
| 14:55.59 | E0x | chadi: install tweakr |
| 14:56.21 | E0x | tweakr hava that feature |
| 14:56.33 | chadi | E0x it says: opening lens unlocks device |
| 14:56.46 | E0x | oh |
| 14:57.03 | E0x | true |
| 14:57.09 | Mbere | are we there yet? |
| 14:57.23 | chadi | the main reason why I'm asking is that I use the lens for the flashlight app most of the time, I rarely take photos |
| 14:58.14 | chadi | somebody must have done that! |
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| 14:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 14:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | it's difficult |
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| 15:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | I looked into it, but was too much effort to even figure out how you could tackle it |
| 15:00.54 | SpeedEvil | chadi: The problem is the infrastructure around that is closed. |
| 15:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | mce closed, camera-gui closed |
| 15:01.10 | GAN900 | jacekowski, it's magnetic. |
| 15:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 15:01.23 | GAN900 | and stupid non-configurable. |
| 15:01.25 | jacekowski | GAN900: no |
| 15:01.29 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, oh? |
| 15:01.29 | jacekowski | GAN900: it's not magnetic |
| 15:01.33 | chadi | oh, too bad :/ |
| 15:01.34 | jacekowski | GAN900: it's light sensor |
| 15:01.39 | jacekowski | GAN900: take your cover off |
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| 15:01.41 | SpeedEvil | chadi: It looks like - from a preliminary look - it would need wrapping the camera app at least in a wrapper, that pretends to be it. |
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| 15:01.44 | jacekowski | GAN900: and look at it fro inside |
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| 15:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | IR reflective active sensor |
| 15:01.50 | jacekowski | GAN900: when you close cover and open it |
| 15:01.56 | GAN900 | Ah, IR, I see it. |
| 15:02.01 | GAN900 | Nevermind, then. |
| 15:02.01 | jacekowski | GAN900: and you will see white and black squares |
| 15:02.07 | SpeedEvil | I consider the easier way to be to write a kernel driver for the flashlight LEDs, expose it as a LED class device. |
| 15:02.10 | jacekowski | piece of black tape will do |
| 15:02.18 | SpeedEvil | Then tell the video4linux device how to use that |
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| 15:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: basically a second proximity sensor |
| 15:02.37 | SpeedEvil | and then drill two holes in the camera cover, and fill with clear plastic. |
| 15:02.50 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yes, I see it. :P |
| 15:03.28 | SpeedEvil | So you can just turn on the flashlight without opening the shutter. |
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| 15:12.29 | chadi | was hoping for a solution via software |
| 15:12.55 | chadi | i hate the fact that a lot of important features of maemo aren't open source :/ |
| 15:13.23 | mikki-kun | hm, anybody an idea how i can get a dump of all the packages currently installed on my sys? |
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| 15:14.03 | mikki-kun | i am not that familiar with apt |
| 15:14.19 | SpeedEvil | chadi: Well - see above |
| 15:14.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - apart from the drilling holes bits. |
| 15:15.21 | chadi | yeah I did |
| 15:16.03 | Stskeeps | dpkg -l , mikki-kun |
| 15:16.27 | alterego | Seems slightly over engineered using an IR sensor to detect the camera slide open ^.^ |
| 15:16.31 | mikki-kun | ahhh, it's a totally different command then... that's i can't find it anywhere in the mans |
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| 15:17.01 | Khertan_Home | hi |
| 15:18.39 | Khertan_Home | someone know if there is a documentation somewhere with the specificities of using qt 4.6 on maemo ? |
| 15:19.05 | Khertan_Home | i mean something like how to use autorotate ... the stacked window ... the kinetic scrolling ? |
| 15:19.49 | alterego | Khertan_Home: by specifics? Do you mean the Qt mobility API? |
| 15:20.02 | Khertan_Home | i ve start writting my code with pyqt (qt 4.5) ... and now i ve many things to change, scrolling didn't work ... stacked windows too |
| 15:20.25 | Khertan_Home | alterego, nope ... standart things |
| 15:20.37 | Khertan_Home | or maybe autorotate are in the qt mobility api ? |
| 15:20.46 | hawai`i | Can somebody send me the default phone icon? |
| 15:21.16 | alterego | Khertan_Home: I don't think there is anything Maemo specific :/ |
| 15:21.22 | alterego | Documentation wise that is .. |
| 15:21.37 | alterego | I've just been picking little bits up here and there. |
| 15:21.48 | alterego | autorotate is a window hint I believe. |
| 15:21.53 | Lynoure | Khertan_Home: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt/Finger_Scrolling for example, the info is here and there |
| 15:22.03 | mece | Khertan_home, we just fixed that for noobmonk3y, I forget where I found the references |
| 15:22.05 | alterego | Which you should be able to see in the lates Nokia SDK Qt Creator UI designer |
| 15:22.45 | mece | Khertan_home, ah yeas. Here's the stacked windows: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html |
| 15:22.57 | Khertan_Home | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.10 | alterego | Khertan_Home: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html |
| 15:23.16 | mece | Khertan_home, here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/ |
| 15:23.17 | Khertan_Home | alterego, thx |
| 15:23.19 | alterego | That looks useful .. Without the stacked windows bit :) |
| 15:23.20 | mece | maemo specifics |
| 15:23.39 | Khertan_Home | mece, thx |
| 15:24.03 | alterego | Looks like I'm gonna have a fun weekend :) |
| 15:24.17 | Khertan_Home | for example also, i didn't found on http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/ how to disable the auto capitalization |
| 15:24.22 | Khertan_Home | on a QTextEdit |
| 15:24.35 | alterego | That's an input hint |
| 15:24.40 | Lynoure | Khertan_Home: I have not actually tried that yet. Are you setting it on something that uses QAbstractScrollArea? |
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| 15:24.42 | alterego | Hang on I'll just get that. |
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| 15:25.16 | Khertan_Home | Lynoure, didn't remember ... i just know that i ve try under qt4.5 .. it was working |
| 15:25.21 | Khertan_Home | it s not under qt4.6 |
| 15:25.26 | Khertan_Home | and as i 'm a qt beginner |
| 15:25.32 | Khertan_Home | i ve got some difficulty :) |
| 15:25.35 | Khertan_Home | i ve got some difficulties :) |
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| 15:26.14 | Khertan_Home | last source is available here : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master |
| 15:26.15 | Khertan_Home | :) |
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| 15:27.48 | Khertan_Home | Lynoure, my QTextEdit is in a QFrame |
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| 15:28.13 | Khertan_Home | which is set in the QMainWindow with a setCentralWidget() |
| 15:29.24 | alterego | Khertan_Home: QWidget::inputMethodHints |
| 15:29.43 | mikki-kun | doesn't the media player of the n900 use gstreamer for playing media? |
| 15:29.48 | alterego | You've got loads of cool IM stuff in there :) |
| 15:30.15 | Khertan_Home | alterego, thanks i ll look |
| 15:31.10 | Lynoure | Khertan_Home: I don't think I have used QFrames myself, so cannot say if it affects that in some way |
| 15:31.13 | alterego | Khertan_Home: I was being lazy, here you go ;) : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/qwidget.html#inputMethodHints-prop |
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| 15:32.25 | alterego | And that's the maemo-4.6 docs too, so it should be in there ;) (hopefully) |
| 15:32.35 | Khertan_Home | Lynoure, in fact i'm not sure i use it the right way, but i assume that as it was working in qt4.5 ... it should in qt4.6, isn't it ? |
| 15:32.58 | Khertan_Home | alterego, thx i was looking in the doc :) |
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| 15:33.08 | Khertan_Home | prefer the simple gtk documentation :) |
| 15:33.23 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: so you working with qt4.6 now? |
| 15:33.34 | Lynoure | Khertan_Home: Would not be surprised if some things work differently |
| 15:33.38 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, yep :) |
| 15:33.44 | Khertan_Home | Lynoure, yep :) |
| 15:33.45 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: how hard to set up? |
| 15:33.52 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, easy in fact |
| 15:34.01 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: did you blog about it? |
| 15:34.05 | Khertan_Home | i ve installed the fremantle sdk repository |
| 15:34.13 | Khertan_Home | apt install |
| 15:34.17 | Khertan_Home | et hop ! |
| 15:34.24 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: blog about it :P |
| 15:34.29 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: and put it on maemo planet |
| 15:34.31 | Khertan_Home | (and remove the sdk repository after to avoid problems) |
| 15:34.59 | Khertan_Home | i think i ve see someone already put the informations somewhere |
| 15:35.02 | Khertan_Home | let me found it |
| 15:35.10 | frals | crashanddie: there was a post about it yesterday or smth about it iirc |
| 15:36.00 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: yes, but you need to do it too |
| 15:36.08 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: information duplication = revelation |
| 15:36.16 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: you are my Bible, I only trust information coming from you |
| 15:36.18 | redeeman | strange, the double directory entries bug just went away for me |
| 15:36.23 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, lol |
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| 15:36.59 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=654370 <<- |
| 15:37.12 | Khertan_Home | exactly the same way i did it |
| 15:37.20 | Khertan_Home | but after activate extras deval |
| 15:37.22 | Khertan_Home | but after activate extras devel |
| 15:37.29 | Khertan_Home | and made an upgrade of pyqt |
| 15:37.31 | Khertan_Home | :) |
| 15:37.42 | Khertan_Home | yep i ll try to made news about it |
| 15:37.46 | Lynoure | Starting to use Qt4.6 was indeed quite straightforward |
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| 15:38.06 | Khertan_Home | but before i need to found why maemo.org/planete didn't read anymore my rss feed |
| 15:38.06 | Khertan_Home | :) |
| 15:38.21 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: ask X-Fade about it |
| 15:38.35 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: X-Fade probably doesn't like you and banned you from the feed :P |
| 15:38.44 | Khertan_Home | Lynoure, depends if you are coding on device or with the sdk |
| 15:38.55 | alterego | Khertan_Home: you used apt-get? I just installed the packagers manually. Also, you're using PySide? or PyQt? |
| 15:39.22 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, haha ... no i ll not disturb x-fade with that he has better things to do ... and he didn't banned me ... |
| 15:39.34 | Lynoure | Khertan_Home: coding on the pc, using the result in the device, in my case. |
| 15:39.35 | Khertan_Home | i switch from wordpress to my own system |
| 15:39.49 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: t'as bu? Ton anglais est pire que d'habitude. Mal dormis? |
| 15:40.08 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, hum the both |
| 15:40.08 | Khertan_Home | :) |
| 15:40.17 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 15:41.32 | Khertan_Home | crashanddie, http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master < the project i'm working on |
| 15:41.46 | Khertan_Home | the line number isn't well implemented |
| 15:41.55 | Khertan_Home | i need to refine the thing |
| 15:42.17 | Khertan_Home | use now gitorious and like it ! |
| 15:42.56 | luke-jr | I just wish gitorious had repo.or.cz's UI somewhere |
| 15:43.08 | alterego | Has anyone looked at building the "Harmatten UI framework"? |
| 15:43.15 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: |
| 15:43.17 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: nice |
| 15:43.42 | Khertan_Home | not really so nice currently ... it s just a prototype |
| 15:44.06 | Khertan_Home | luke-jr, ? |
| 15:44.16 | muelli | Can my root password not exceed a number of characters? Mine is pretty long but apparently it doesn't really matter which characters I type in last... |
| 15:44.33 | luke-jr | Khertan_Home: I like that UI repo.or.cz uses |
| 15:45.24 | Khertan_Home | luke-jr, ouch ? really ? |
| 15:45.24 | luke-jr | yes |
| 15:45.24 | Khertan_Home | i prefer the gitorious one... |
| 15:45.25 | crashanddie | luke-jr: roc has become so slow it's unusable |
| 15:45.38 | crashanddie | luke-jr: it was fine when they hosted about 200 projects, but it's seriously unusable now |
| 15:45.55 | crashanddie | you can't actually browse any projects anymore. Unless you know the name, you're stuffed |
| 15:45.59 | luke-jr | crashanddie: ok... yet more reason to get the UI moved to gitorious? :p |
| 15:46.14 | luke-jr | well, don't care for browsing |
| 15:46.17 | luke-jr | just the interface to git |
| 15:47.30 | crashanddie | what interface? |
| 15:47.47 | crashanddie | Browsing the different heads, being able to download specific revisions? |
| 15:47.47 | luke-jr | git web interface version 1.6.5.GIT, (C) 2005-2006, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Christian Gierke |
| 15:47.57 | luke-jr | eg http://repo.or.cz/w/git/ljr.git |
| 15:48.18 | Khertan_Home | Sebastian Lauwers started watching khteditor/khteditor < héhé |
| 15:48.51 | crashanddie | :) |
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| 15:51.26 | Khertan_Home | is happy he has made his first contribution to meego wiki ! |
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| 15:53.15 | lcuk | Khertan_Home, writing "Khertan was ere" in 72 point font on the front page could be considered a contribution, whether or not it will remain is another matter ;) |
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| 15:54.12 | dneary | andre about? |
| 15:54.26 | dneary | lcuk, how're things? |
| 15:55.43 | lcuk | dneary, good thanks, i can see some things better now than ever. yourself? |
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| 15:56.44 | Khertan_Home | lcuk, lol |
| 15:56.47 | crashanddie | lcuk: better than ever? |
| 15:56.53 | crashanddie | lcuk: new pair of glasses? Surgery? |
| 15:56.56 | Khertan_Home | lcuk, my contribution was on : http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners |
| 15:57.16 | dneary | lcuk, Good |
| 15:57.17 | Khertan_Home | and testing a builded 0.9 meego image on a netbook samsung n130 |
| 15:57.18 | Khertan_Home | ;) |
| 15:57.23 | Khertan_Home | must go on |
| 15:57.25 | Khertan_Home | bye |
| 15:57.29 | lcuk | crashanddie, just wiped my monitor. i actually meant ive had time to digest last few months work |
| 15:57.30 | Khertan_Home | or see you later :) |
| 15:57.34 | dneary | Not sure how I feel about being treated by Jarmo as an incompetent; |
| 15:57.46 | crashanddie | lcuk: ah, lol :) |
| 15:57.58 | crashanddie | dneary: what's his reasoning? |
| 15:58.17 | dneary | crashanddie, You haven't been following the "importing docs into the wiki" thread? |
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| 16:00.58 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 16:01.01 | crashanddie | just read up on it |
| 16:02.03 | crashanddie | I feel it's more ignorance on his part speaking than anything else, he seems to be make an amalgam of yourself, and all the sysadmins into "this current guy", without paying attention to details |
| 16:02.17 | crashanddie | What's his role inside Nokia, and why is he being purposefully thick about this? |
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| 16:04.05 | lcuk | dneary, which ML |
| 16:04.15 | crashanddie | lcuk: maemo-community |
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| 16:08.58 | dneary | lcuk: maemo-community |
| 16:09.25 | crashanddie | lcuk: read about it here: https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox |
| 16:09.33 | dneary | crashanddie, He was the guy who dealt with official developer documentation, and with all subcontractors who worked on it |
| 16:09.55 | dneary | And there is a history of this kind of conversation with Jarmo |
| 16:09.56 | lcuk | thanks - im on it here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004271.html |
| 16:10.00 | crashanddie | so really he should be aware of the processes? |
| 16:10.07 | lcuk | unsubscribed from -community a while ago for some reason or other |
| 16:10.19 | dneary | lcuk: That's where it starts getting nice |
| 16:10.34 | dneary | crashanddie, He doesn't really understand "the community" |
| 16:10.40 | frals | unsubscribes lcuk for some reason or other |
| 16:10.58 | lcuk | cant remember why actually |
| 16:11.01 | dneary | He has some idea of things in his head, but he is still stuck in the traditional "I work, and people will like what I do, or else" |
| 16:11.05 | dneary | mindset |
| 16:11.27 | dneary | lcuk: Probably a long meandering thread that didn't interest you? |
| 16:11.28 | crashanddie | welcome to Uni Corp |
| 16:11.33 | dneary | We tend to get some of those |
| 16:11.55 | lcuk | dneary, it would have to be really long, i think some other reason - gmail is good at folding things up normally |
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| 16:16.10 | dneary | lcuk: Finished? |
| 16:17.17 | lcuk | An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list |
| 16:17.17 | lcuk | maemo-community@maemo.org. You are already subscribed to this mailing list. |
| 16:17.30 | lcuk | yes dneary i think so but i couldnt find the very start of it |
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| 16:19.36 | dneary | hi amigadave |
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| 16:19.51 | dneary | lcuk: This (and the following) is where it gets a bit nasty. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004300.html |
| 16:20.04 | amigadave | hi dneary |
| 16:22.29 | chadi | where is this abill_uk engineer? |
| 16:23.03 | MohammadAG_ | he's an engineer |
| 16:23.07 | MohammadAG_ | ? |
| 16:23.08 | hawai`i | Glad he's not here. |
| 16:23.25 | Shapeshifter | well. now my free space jumped to 40mb |
| 16:23.44 | chadi | I don't know if he is, someone always calls him an engineer as irony. |
| 16:24.03 | chadi | hawai`i: indeed, haha |
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| 16:27.10 | dneary | amigadave, Have you seen aklapper today? |
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| 16:27.42 | amigadave | dneary: not today, but i think that he will be around tomorrow |
| 16:28.11 | crashanddie | chadi: probably in the UK? |
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| 16:28.46 | dneary | amigadave, Do you think it's better to announce a revamped wiki gardeners group straight away, or to wait until a bugzilla product for docs exists and use that for our TODO list, and get that initialised first |
| 16:29.22 | amigadave | dneary: i would say hold off until the bugzilla product is there |
| 16:29.45 | amigadave | just ping andre when he is around and it should be a quick process |
| 16:29.57 | dneary | ok |
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| 16:30.22 | dneary | If you're around tomorrow & see him, would you mind reminding him for me? Otherwise, I'll try to catch him on Monday |
| 16:30.58 | amigadave | dneary: sure, no problem |
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| 16:32.00 | dneary | kewl |
| 16:32.08 | dneary | Paperwork calls... :( |
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| 16:49.25 | dneary | amigadave, Have you seen this? Interesting stuff: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17759504/Free-Chapter-Conversation-and-Community |
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| 16:52.55 | amigadave | dneary: too wordy for me, but i have now bookmarked it :) |
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| 16:53.27 | dneary | It looks like a must-have book - a technical writer explaining how to do it in the open, as a community, without getting shit out the other end |
| 16:53.46 | dneary | I've just ordered the book |
| 16:54.40 | Stskeeps | maybe recommendable for townxelliot too, he made some quite decent style guides for the meego stuff |
| 16:55.33 | dneary | Stskeeps, Done already ;) |
| 16:55.42 | Stskeeps | hehe, good |
| 16:56.01 | dneary | in the meego forum threads about developer documentation |
| 16:56.25 | Stskeeps | goes check |
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| 16:57.31 | dneary | amigadave, You might appreciate an interview of the author? http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2010/05/13/makeall004/ |
| 16:58.04 | amigadave | dneary: thanks, i will check it out |
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| 17:00.19 | BCMM | i am considering buying a second n900 battery |
| 17:00.41 | tripzero | do et! |
| 17:00.47 | tripzero | i should buy one too |
| 17:00.50 | tripzero | they are pretty cheap |
| 17:01.10 | BCMM | how does one identify a genuine one, and am i right in thinking that third party higher-capacity ones are a bad idea? |
| 17:01.19 | hawai`i | get it from a reputable retailer. |
| 17:01.37 | tybollt | BCMM: One of the blokes around here has the fat battery |
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| 17:02.18 | BCMM | i didn't mean the oversized ones, i meant stuff like this somewhat sketchy thing: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGH-CAP-GOLD-BL-5J-BATTERY-FOR-NOKIA-5800-XPRESSMUSIC_W0QQitemZ320412723818QQcategoryZ20365QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo=MW&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8539936376393060248 |
| 17:02.24 | Stskeeps | dneary: do you have some books you recommend generally re communities, ideally re open source development |
| 17:02.36 | dneary | Stskeeps, Yes |
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| 17:02.52 | BCMM | also, what about third-party battery chargers? are they safe? |
| 17:02.59 | dneary | There's the bible, of course: http://producingoss.com/ |
| 17:03.00 | BCMM | i was looking at this one: http://www.eastmaze.com/BL-5J-Desktop-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-5800-Comes-With-Music-p904.html?tkid=16¤cy=GBP |
| 17:03.10 | yigal | where is the repos for the community SSU? |
| 17:03.15 | hawai`i | BCMM: Don't buy it off eBay. |
| 17:03.15 | yigal | for n8X0 |
| 17:03.25 | BCMM | (i presume the power supply it wants is an old-style nokia one, of which i have several) |
| 17:03.49 | MohammadAG | hawai'i why? |
| 17:03.57 | MohammadAG | i got mine from ebay |
| 17:04.13 | hawai`i | MohammadAG: Very hard to find legit batteries on eBay. |
| 17:04.14 | dneary | Stskeeps, And I *really* like this, as a general "managing people" book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?mode=blended&search-alias=aps&tag=gnomesearchplugin-uk-21&field-keywords=peopleware |
| 17:04.34 | BCMM | i was indeed going to avoid ebay |
| 17:04.38 | MohammadAG | that's a desktop charger (?) |
| 17:04.44 | dneary | Then there are the more general social media books like Here comes Everybody, or The Tipping Point |
| 17:04.52 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 17:04.55 | dneary | (well, social media/social phenomenon) |
| 17:04.58 | hawai`i | I was referring to batteries, MohammadAG. |
| 17:05.04 | jacekowski | pr1.2? |
| 17:05.09 | MohammadAG | oh ok |
| 17:05.24 | dneary | But as documents to inform technology or community process choices, they're not so helpful |
| 17:05.29 | Stskeeps | i've been meaning to get more into it - touchdd social computing from a academic angle a bit during studies |
| 17:05.30 | hawai`i | I bought my desktop charger off eBay, works fine. |
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| 17:05.38 | jacekowski | i just saw ad on polish version of digg.com that there is free sat nav in any nokia phone |
| 17:05.39 | dneary | Stskeeps, If you start with those four, you're on the right track |
| 17:05.42 | hawai`i | It's actually a BP-4L charger, I just balance the BL5J in it. |
| 17:05.44 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
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| 17:06.08 | yigal | what is the apt repos for maemo's community SSU for n8x0? |
| 17:06.09 | BCMM | what about third-party batteries that aren't pretending to be made by nokia? are they a bad idea to? |
| 17:06.15 | dneary | I have read Jono's book, and it is a useful contribution, but not as valuable (IMHO) as Karl's book |
| 17:06.29 | Stskeeps | best thing about maemo.org, can claim it as a expense of my company / my company activities |
| 17:06.32 | dneary | ("The Art of Community") |
| 17:06.36 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 17:07.09 | dneary | But definitely, Peopleware, great book |
| 17:07.27 | Stskeeps | will probably order them tonight then |
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| 17:07.57 | dneary | I just recently came across a site I think could be very useful too: "Uncommon Schools" |
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| 17:08.36 | dneary | It seems sometimes like our goal (as the paid guys) is to be like teachers in new-age schools, guiding student's efforts to learn on their own, and ensuring a productive work environment |
| 17:08.41 | Myrtti | blah. |
| 17:08.44 | Myrtti | I hate mornings |
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| 17:09.03 | dneary | (that doesn't quite sound right, but I've definitely noticed some teaching issues when dealing with free software communities) |
| 17:09.10 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 17:11.03 | BCMM | so: third-party chargers OK, third-party batteries scary? |
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| 17:12.12 | MohammadAG | BCMM, some of them yes (chargers) |
| 17:12.28 | BCMM | hmm, some website have a photo of an actual nokia battery that says "reference only", and some small print saying "non-oem" |
| 17:13.18 | b0unc3 | hey guys, is the autobuilder working? |
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| 17:14.00 | ShadowJK | bcmm: third party desktop chargers: dubious at best |
| 17:14.14 | BCMM | ShadowJK: how come? |
| 17:14.19 | BCMM | and is there a nokia one? |
| 17:14.26 | ShadowJK | third party powersupplies (things you connect to phone): less bad |
| 17:15.06 | ShadowJK | bcmm: the cheap external/desktop chargers are usually flawed by design |
| 17:15.21 | BCMM | ShadowJK: how? |
| 17:15.38 | BCMM | do they not detect fully-charged batteries? |
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| 17:15.55 | BCMM | also, is there an official external charger? |
| 17:16.16 | ShadowJK | A real charger chip costs like a dollar, a constant-current generator and a emergency battery cutoff chip costs about 0.20 dollars |
| 17:16.39 | ShadowJK | the constant current charging would explode the battery |
| 17:16.51 | BCMM | ShadowJK: do you know of one which won't blow up the battery? |
| 17:17.12 | ShadowJK | the protection circuit is meant for last-resort protection and isn't rated for repeated use.. |
| 17:17.31 | ShadowJK | No, I don't |
| 17:17.43 | yabba | b0unc3, I got my soft trought it just a while ago. |
| 17:17.45 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Get a spare n900 to charge battery. |
| 17:17.51 | ShadowJK | well in all likelyhood they wont blow up your battery |
| 17:17.51 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: heh |
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| 17:18.10 | BCMM | "Built-in smart chip recognizes a full charge and automatically switch to a save-mode." - could still refer to an emergency cutoff? |
| 17:18.19 | ShadowJK | but they can reduce the useful lifespan of the battery if the thresholds are wide |
| 17:18.20 | BCMM | (yes, i know it could just be a lie) |
| 17:18.35 | ShadowJK | is that about a battery? if so it's a lie |
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| 17:18.46 | BCMM | ShadowJK: no, i charger |
| 17:19.01 | BCMM | i know that would make no sense for a battery |
| 17:19.07 | SpeedEvil | I haven't seen any of the emergency chips which have any failure mode I can think of in protection mode. |
| 17:19.17 | BCMM | bah, why doesn't nokia make one? |
| 17:19.18 | SpeedEvil | Any failure due to being cycled often |
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| 17:20.27 | BCMM | ok, since none are ideal: has anybody here had a bl-5j battery charger for a while and not blown anything up with it |
| 17:20.32 | BCMM | and if so, where did it come from? |
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| 17:22.00 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, mine cuts off the current when the battery is full |
| 17:22.11 | MohammadAG | and it uses the original nokia 2mm charger |
| 17:22.29 | ShadowJK | did you measure that? :) |
| 17:22.46 | BCMM | there are two common nokia chargers before the microusb ones, right? |
| 17:22.56 | BCMM | which one was the 3410 charger? |
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| 17:23.05 | BCMM | i have a surprising number of those around |
| 17:23.08 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yes, it stops charging |
| 17:23.21 | BCMM | (and it's awesome that the n900 comes with an adaptor) |
| 17:24.07 | MohammadAG | the 2mm to usb one which might burn your house down? :P |
| 17:24.56 | BCMM | MohammadAG: the adaptor that comes in the n900 box burns houses down? |
| 17:25.14 | MohammadAG | it overheats, and in some cases melts |
| 17:25.31 | MohammadAG | I used it with a car charger and always had it stuck to the Air C. |
| 17:25.56 | BCMM | i shall avoid it then... |
| 17:26.11 | BCMM | aren't cig lighter-USB adaptors really cheap anyway |
| 17:26.22 | MohammadAG | not sure if all of them work |
| 17:26.35 | MohammadAG | the N900 doesn't work with "dumb" chargers |
| 17:26.47 | BCMM | MohammadAG: eh? |
| 17:26.52 | MohammadAG | I just use a 12V to 240V converter |
| 17:27.11 | MohammadAG | (and the charger will prolly downstep that to 12V again, which is stupid) |
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| 17:28.25 | BCMM | last time it was mentioned here, somebody said that "dumb" usb chargers can short two of the USB pins to indicate that they are dumb |
| 17:28.36 | BCMM | MohammadAG: the n900 doesn't respect that? |
| 17:28.52 | MohammadAG | you can connect the D+ to D- and it should charge |
| 17:28.59 | MohammadAG | solder them |
| 17:29.16 | BCMM | (i presume that by "dumb", you mean that it just provides power rather than an actual USB bus?) |
| 17:30.01 | BCMM | MohammadAG: well, i was presuming that since a bunch of things use that standard now (including the annoyingly influential iphone), such chargers already have those shorted |
| 17:30.20 | MohammadAG | some still don't :) |
| 17:30.40 | MohammadAG | the ZaggSparq 1.0 for example |
| 17:30.46 | MohammadAG | (not sure about the 2.0) |
| 17:30.49 | yigal | Stskeeps: I can't find or where i can get the community ssu installer, is the info. in here? http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=30648 |
| 17:31.03 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes |
| 17:31.17 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: to which bit? (sorry) |
| 17:31.18 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: This wasn't the case as soon ago as a couple of years trhough |
| 17:31.22 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: shorted |
| 17:31.26 | BCMM | ah, good |
| 17:31.38 | BCMM | actually, the iphone's effect on some things has been kinda nice |
| 17:31.39 | MohammadAG | the zaggsparq is a year old afaik |
| 17:31.55 | MohammadAG | yeah, it took away most annoying users |
| 17:31.56 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 17:31.58 | BCMM | web pages making fewer assumptions about screen resolution and using less flash for a start |
| 17:32.20 | MohammadAG | and more HTML5 |
| 17:32.39 | MohammadAG | i'm kind of stumped that flash 10 isn't coming |
| 17:32.56 | yabba | Stupid question, but if I load newer version of packages to the autobuilder (I use Extras assistant) will it remove older one? (There is now pykake 0.5.0-1 and I want to load pykake 0.5.0-2 in it.) |
| 17:33.17 | yabba | *upload |
| 17:33.19 | MohammadAG | yes, the autocleaner will purge it |
| 17:33.39 | yabba | Ok, thanks :) |
| 17:33.45 | MohammadAG | np :) |
| 17:33.47 | yigal | Stskeeps: got it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649557 |
| 17:33.55 | MohammadAG | check a maemo.org/packages package page |
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| 17:42.25 | frals | scratches his head |
| 17:42.58 | frals | so err, extras-devel free source package.. if theres a .so file in there without any source thats like, bad? |
| 17:43.21 | MohammadAG | umm yeah? |
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| 17:44.32 | frals | \callnotify-0.1.0\src\usr\lib\hildon-control-panel |
| 17:45.00 | jjmontes | hi, anyone aware of a problem with avahi-daemon requiring upstart? |
| 17:45.10 | MohammadAG | frals, contact him about it |
| 17:45.18 | MohammadAG | that's basically just building a deb |
| 17:45.30 | lcuk | looks for someplace to hide |
| 17:45.40 | frals | hides lcuk behind the troutfarm |
| 17:45.46 | lcuk | cool |
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| 17:45.55 | MohammadAG | jjmontes, I fixed that, but it seems broken from the start, disable devel and install it |
| 17:46.10 | lcuk | protect me from @teebee76 |
| 17:46.22 | frals | teebee76 aka the misses? :D |
| 17:46.30 | lcuk | yeah |
| 17:46.45 | lcuk | she somehow thinks i drunk her vimto o_O |
| 17:46.46 | jjmontes | MohammadAG, thanks, will try now |
| 17:46.51 | Myrtti | I recon it's time for coffee |
| 17:46.57 | Myrtti | I want vimto too |
| 17:46.59 | jjmontes | but I don't have upstart anyway... should I have it? |
| 17:47.18 | chadi | if i have the source of an application, can I compile and install it on the SDK thing that I installed on ubuntu? I think it's called Xephyr or something |
| 17:47.35 | lcuk | chadi, scratchbox |
| 17:47.37 | jjmontes | chadi: you should be able to |
| 17:47.41 | lcuk | and yes to some degree |
| 17:47.49 | lcuk | if its maemo application, it should be trivial |
| 17:48.02 | chadi | Qt4.6 application |
| 17:48.06 | lcuk | if its from another distribution/platform then you may need more ninja skills |
| 17:48.18 | chadi | i have no skills at all, to be honest |
| 17:48.29 | chadi | I have to discover by myself |
| 17:48.48 | jjmontes | try to compile it, you'll see errors and dependencies not met... you'll have to work from that |
| 17:49.02 | jjmontes | chadi: however you'd need some programming skills |
| 17:49.03 | chadi | doesn't apt-get solve these dewpendancies? |
| 17:49.12 | chadi | jjmontes I do have programming skills |
| 17:49.14 | lcuk | if its a 4.6 app specifically then you may have to wait for the pr1.2 update |
| 17:49.25 | chadi | lcuk just compile on the SDK |
| 17:49.32 | lcuk | at least for testing on thedevice |
| 17:49.44 | lcuk | the sdk is updated to 4.6 i think |
| 17:49.45 | chadi | yeah i can wait for PR.12 |
| 17:49.46 | MohammadAG | makes ninja sounds |
| 17:49.51 | lcuk | but the device isnt yet |
| 17:50.16 | MohammadAG | the device has 4.6.2 |
| 17:50.24 | MohammadAG | as libqt4-maemo5-* |
| 17:50.25 | chadi | no problem .. it should be release by the time I learn all that :P |
| 17:50.27 | MohammadAG | from -devel |
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| 17:50.42 | MohammadAG | 4.5 as libqt4-* |
| 17:51.35 | lcuk | can see why confusion occurs |
| 17:51.39 | E0x | MohammadAG: ninjas dont make sounds |
| 17:51.44 | tripzero | lol |
| 17:51.46 | jjmontes | :D |
| 17:51.56 | E0x | fail ! |
| 17:51.57 | MohammadAG | E0x, actually it depends :P |
| 17:52.11 | MohammadAG | they do in a fight :p |
| 17:52.19 | lcuk | how do you know? |
| 17:52.21 | frals | is seeing lcuks confusion |
| 17:52.44 | MohammadAG | lcuk, NDA, can't talk about it |
| 17:52.45 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 17:52.47 | tripzero | MohammadAG, ninja's don't fight. they kill |
| 17:52.52 | tripzero | and you can't hear after you are dead |
| 17:52.59 | MohammadAG | kills tripzero, happy? |
| 17:53.09 | lcuk | NDA == Ninja Discussion Agreement ? |
| 17:53.13 | tripzero | haha |
| 17:53.15 | jjmontes | MohammadAG: I had to remove account-plugin-salut (don't know why) |
| 17:53.18 | E0x | MohammadAG: 200 of ninjas can fight and you side and you will never hear or saw it |
| 17:53.24 | E0x | :P |
| 17:53.44 | E0x | tripzero: ninja vs ninja can fight |
| 17:53.55 | jjmontes | MohammadAG: still, my /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon is a broken link... dunno if it was like that before... may I ask if this is related? |
| 17:53.56 | lcuk | but you would never win |
| 17:54.02 | lcuk | they would be caught in an eternal battle |
| 17:54.18 | MohammadAG | jjmontes, yes, it depends on upstart-job which doesn't exist |
| 17:54.21 | MohammadAG | disable devel |
| 17:54.44 | tripzero | EOx: yes, but they usually kill all standbys so they can fight uninterrupted |
| 17:54.49 | jjmontes | MohammadAG: cool! thanks a lot for the info... I just wait a few weeks then |
| 17:54.56 | tripzero | at least, that's what I would do |
| 17:55.14 | MohammadAG | can we end the ninja subject? lol |
| 17:55.22 | MohammadAG | tripzero, you're dead, so shut it |
| 17:55.23 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 17:55.30 | lcuk | you started it |
| 17:55.31 | E0x | heh |
| 17:55.36 | tripzero | man, this afterlife sucks |
| 17:55.44 | tripzero | it's just like the one before it |
| 17:55.46 | lcuk | only a ninja can finish it |
| 17:55.54 | tripzero | lols |
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| 17:57.09 | MohammadAG | tripzero, does it have tmo users? |
| 17:57.39 | tripzero | yes. so i must be in hell |
| 17:58.01 | VDVsx | throws some ninja stars at lcuk :D |
| 17:58.12 | crashanddie | tripzero: depends, the way I see it, most TMO users see themselves as martyrs |
| 17:58.29 | lcuk | no, tmo users are just like real life, theres a broad swath of good honest decent hardworking people there |
| 17:58.43 | crashanddie | martyrs, as I said |
| 17:58.43 | MohammadAG | uhuh |
| 17:58.47 | lcuk | and i love how those discussing tmo users in derogitory terms are tmo users themselvse |
| 17:59.03 | crashanddie | how is martyrdom derogatory? |
| 17:59.07 | MohammadAG | lcuk, ironic, don't you think? |
| 17:59.26 | lcuk | heh seb i was already writing that before even seeing your comment :p |
| 17:59.39 | lcuk | i think it everytime the tmo subject comes up |
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| 17:59.45 | crashanddie | lcuk: MY POINT EXACTLY, HOW COULD YOU FRET ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY???? |
| 17:59.59 | crashanddie | Yes, the world revolves around me. |
| 18:00.24 | lcuk | actually it does, you need to lose some weight dude |
| 18:00.31 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 18:00.32 | jeward | Anybody use vncviewer on a maemo device? I'm wondering what Xwindow manager works best with the small display and touchscreen? |
| 18:00.42 | crashanddie | oh, so that's why all the chicks are attracted to me? I have my own gravity pull? |
| 18:00.42 | jeward | uses an n900. |
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| 18:00.59 | lcuk | jeward, i use vnc to my windows machine and to other linux desktops |
| 18:01.12 | lcuk | the simplest is to just lower the screen resolution on the destinatino end and make do |
| 18:01.25 | lcuk | too much scaling or scrolling kills both performance and utility |
| 18:01.33 | jeward | lcuk: I have it set to 800x480. |
| 18:01.52 | lcuk | jeward, cool beans |
| 18:02.01 | jeward | lcuk: And I set XFCE panels to autohide, but I can't get them to come back by trying to mouse off the edge of the screen. |
| 18:02.01 | jjmontes | jeward: I use it to lnux desktops, I don't change the windowmanager |
| 18:02.10 | lcuk | yeah that would be a problem |
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| 18:02.34 | lcuk | its a good idea to completely optimise the destination desktop if all you are going to do is vnc to it |
| 18:02.45 | jeward | lcuk: I wonder if xmonad might be better? I don't know if I can send the window manager keyboard commands though? |
| 18:02.46 | lcuk | but its a pain if its a dual use and you vnc only occasionally |
| 18:03.00 | lcuk | jeward, you have HW keyboard |
| 18:03.03 | jeward | lcuk: I just want to dedicate one display for my n900. |
| 18:03.08 | lcuk | xmonad is great - its a tiling WM afaik isnt it? |
| 18:03.16 | lcuk | it reminded me of liqbase when i was mucking about |
| 18:03.19 | jeward | Let me try install xmonad and see how it works. |
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| 18:03.22 | jjmontes | I think gnome 800x480 is just ok |
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| 18:03.39 | jeward | lcuk: Yes tiling WM for max real estate. |
| 18:04.03 | lcuk | jjmontes, i think some of the problems with generics is expectation of right mouse button |
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| 18:04.37 | jeward | lcuk: Can you generate one with n900 vncviewer (right button)? |
| 18:05.03 | tripzero | what WM is on maemo5? |
| 18:05.18 | lcuk | i dont know ive not looked |
| 18:05.40 | lcuk | tripzero, its buildable afaik but suboptimal because theres specific maemoisms atm with it |
| 18:05.50 | lcuk | i last looked when i had n810 |
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| 18:06.08 | tripzero | n810 ran matchbox didn't it? maemo5's wm seems much more advanced |
| 18:06.17 | jjmontes | would it be possible to use the n900 as a secondary screen? |
| 18:06.19 | Stskeeps | it runs the libmatchbox2 stuff |
| 18:06.30 | jeward | jjmontes: Like synergy? |
| 18:06.32 | tripzero | matchbox-wm2? |
| 18:06.41 | lcuk | looks sideways @ email subject |
| 18:06.45 | lcuk | "Spandex is optional" |
| 18:06.46 | tripzero | seems unlikely... but maybe |
| 18:06.50 | jjmontes | lcuk: I think the problem is the maemo VNC viewer is not powerful enough |
| 18:06.58 | lcuk | jjmontes, ? |
| 18:07.04 | jeward | jjmontes: To do what? |
| 18:07.12 | jjmontes | I mean, I think functionality could be adapted for the tablet |
| 18:07.30 | jjmontes | providing means to send characters, right clicks, and various keyboard mappings with ease |
| 18:07.33 | jjmontes | and zoom |
| 18:07.51 | jjmontes | (sorry, I was talking about functionality, not "power", my fault) |
| 18:08.12 | RST38h | Google changes Nexus One plans, will stop selling handsets online |
| 18:08.15 | jjmontes | jeward: not like synergy, but as a secondary screen for a laptop |
| 18:08.19 | RST38h | End of story |
| 18:08.22 | lcuk | jjmontes, its an x11 display |
| 18:08.29 | Stskeeps | RST38h: really? |
| 18:08.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: [citation needed] |
| 18:08.56 | Myrtti | URL or it didn't happen |
| 18:08.58 | RST38h | suggests that asking a Chinese company ot design them a handset may not have been such a good idea |
| 18:09.10 | jjmontes | umm not sure is what I want... I'd like to be able to configure the n900 as the secondary screen, so I can drag windows to it... |
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| 18:09.46 | Myrtti | ah bah. |
| 18:09.47 | RST38h | Are you some freaking wikipedians or what, people? Anyway: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/nexus-one-changes-in-availability.html |
| 18:10.07 | Myrtti | RST38h: yes, actually, I am. |
| 18:10.32 | RST38h | But anyway, HTC can always make a slightly better handset with the same specs and sell it slightly cheaper. So, I have no idea what Google has been trying for there |
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| 18:11.30 | Myrtti | RST38h: boyfriend bought Nexus One specifically because it'll get FroYo sooner than HTC Desire |
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| 18:11.56 | RST38h | Myrtti: and see where it got him? =) |
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| 18:12.27 | Myrtti | RST38h: well currently he's at work...? by car? |
| 18:12.41 | RST38h | tried the Nexus while in the US but could not get what the big fuss was |
| 18:12.46 | Myrtti | chose to ignore the joke by purpose |
| 18:13.03 | RST38h | No, it is not better than N900, albeit lighter |
| 18:15.28 | jeward | Oh, hmm, how to generate Mod-shift-return on n900? :) |
| 18:15.45 | Myrtti | likes her free Nexus One Google gave her |
| 18:16.07 | lcuk | will maemo run on it |
| 18:16.59 | jeward | Anybody know how to send a mod key in maemo vnc on the n900? :) |
| 18:17.22 | Myrtti | why would I put maemo on it? I wouldn't run android on a N900, why would I run maemo on nexus one? |
| 18:18.40 | Myrtti | I wouldn't install Windows or Linux on a Mac either. I'm strange that way. |
| 18:18.50 | lcuk | Myrtti i never asked you to change |
| 18:18.56 | lcuk | i asked whether maemo would run on it |
| 18:19.09 | MohammadAG | that question was like "but does it run crysis?" |
| 18:19.10 | jeward | has a triple boot Snow Leopard/Windows 7/ Ubuntu mac mini. |
| 18:19.10 | hrw-uds | lcuk: why not? |
| 18:19.32 | hrw-uds | lcuk: as long as you will have opengl/es drivers good enough fro clutter... |
| 18:19.56 | lcuk | indeed - perhaps meego would be a better base to try |
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| 18:21.30 | Myrtti | you're asking a person who until recently didn't know the difference between atom and arm until it was explained to her in very, very gentle ways, would maemo run on nexus one. No, I have no idea. |
| 18:22.21 | Myrtti | ich. horrible coffee |
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| 18:23.27 | chadi | did anyone manage to dual boot android without NTDroid? |
| 18:23.29 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:23.53 | RST38h | guesses Nexus will run something like Mer |
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| 18:24.14 | GAN900 | Myrtti, theoretically yes. |
| 18:24.24 | RST38h | The main question is, of course, why |
| 18:24.55 | GAN900 | Myrtti, why the 180? |
| 18:25.37 | RST38h | Myrtti: working for google nowadays? =) |
| 18:25.37 | Myrtti | stares GAN900 with a blank look |
| 18:25.43 | GAN900 | Because Android sucks. |
| 18:25.44 | Myrtti | oh, that 180 |
| 18:25.52 | GAN900 | Myrtti, you hated it in SF. :P |
| 18:26.09 | RST38h | Why does it suck? Felt ok. |
| 18:26.20 | Myrtti | GAN900: applications, learning curve |
| 18:26.25 | RST38h | But then, I do not think Symbian sucks either |
| 18:26.41 | GAN900 | I can't stand the hardware |
| 18:26.47 | Myrtti | GAN900: also, I pimped it up with Gelaskins |
| 18:26.52 | GAN900 | I kept hitting home while typing. |
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| 18:27.31 | papo | hi |
| 18:27.35 | papo | how can I make a screenshot? |
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| 18:28.00 | SpeedEvil | ctrl-shift-p IIRC |
| 18:28.04 | Myrtti | sleep time logger, audibook player, google synchronization etc |
| 18:28.08 | Myrtti | and the desktop dock is rad |
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| 18:30.52 | Myrtti | apart from the virtual keyboard, my experience with the nexus one was happier from the start that the time I've spent with a n900 |
| 18:33.15 | RST38h | GAN: Standard vanilla HTC hardware. Yes, it is nothing to ogle at |
| 18:34.15 | Myrtti | I don't really care about the hardware - it's the apps that caught me. hm. apart from the fact that since I've always been partial to virtual keyboards, nexus one is nice. |
| 18:34.42 | Myrtti | I can change from Scandinavian keyboard to swipe quick keyboard so easily ⥠|
| 18:35.05 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 18:35.51 | arachnist | there's no good android phone with a good hardware keyboard |
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| 18:37.13 | Myrtti | s/android/mobile/ |
| 18:37.18 | Myrtti | there, fixed it for ya |
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| 18:37.54 | johnsq | arachnist: better without and use a bluetooth. |
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| 18:39.09 | Myrtti | I just hate all the hardware keyboards, being a touch typist I find them harder to learn than software keyboards |
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| 18:39.25 | jaska | cant stand virtual kbds |
| 18:39.31 | Myrtti | give me a full Scandinavian keyboard, or give me death etc |
| 18:39.39 | jaska | they also halve your effective display usually |
| 18:40.10 | Myrtti | that's a learning issue. I've used vkb:s since 770 ;-) |
| 18:40.14 | Myrtti | never had a problem :-P |
| 18:40.32 | RST38h | death by full scandinavian keyboard |
| 18:40.32 | jaska | i skipped 770 and 800 due to the lack of kbd |
| 18:41.03 | frals | hmm |
| 18:41.06 | Myrtti | heh, and I bought N800 last spring specifically because the lack of kdb |
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| 18:45.11 | ShadowJK | Myrtti, because N800 was cheaper than N810? |
| 18:45.42 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5539192/a-cellphone-exploded-in-my-face |
| 18:46.23 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: because N800 didn't have hardware keyboard. I didn't even look at the prices of N810 |
| 18:47.30 | ShadowJK | you could get N810 for the better screen and not use hw kbd ;p |
| 18:47.38 | ShadowJK | though dual sd slot on n800 is nice |
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| 18:50.21 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Is he complaining because the battery got upset after he sliced it in half? |
| 18:52.38 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Guess so |
| 18:53.35 | frals | GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
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| 18:53.52 | frals | pyqt4 doesnt implement QtDBus >_< |
| 18:54.00 | frals | ~curse |
| 18:54.01 | infobot | methinks swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
| 18:54.27 | alterego | So, I'm gonna work on a "Contact Manager" that does contact groups, per group and per contact ringtones and also the callbocker |
| 18:55.19 | alterego | Well, the call blocker is done. |
| 18:55.39 | alterego | So it's just integrating it with a group principal system and having ringtones. |
| 18:58.00 | alterego | I'll use the pipe method someone suggested earlier, and if the device happens to be mounted via USB, then I'll just play some default t00n |
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| 18:59.40 | frals | great, neither pyside or pyqt actually ships qtdbus bindings :[ |
| 19:00.39 | alterego | frals: probably because of the dedicated python-dbus bindings? |
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| 19:01.20 | frals | well python got urllib and a bunch of other stuff for networking but qtnetwork is there :P |
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| 19:08.34 | kpoman | hi |
| 19:09.46 | kpoman | do someone know how to port new libs to a n810 ? |
| 19:10.18 | kpoman | I want to compile on a gentoo box, do I have to set vars etc... for autotools to know what i want ? do i need a chrooted environment or whatever ? |
| 19:10.53 | alterego | gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d |
| 19:12.31 | kpoman | mouahahah |
| 19:12.33 | kpoman | wtf |
| 19:12.35 | kpoman | :D |
| 19:12.41 | Lynoure | I can't get girlfriends, I have no idea how to approach other women... |
| 19:12.51 | Lynoure | But still use Kubuntu. |
| 19:12.53 | kpoman | I am married, I had to resign for a bit, but now :D |
| 19:13.05 | kpoman | lol |
| 19:14.12 | ZogG | <alterego> gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!& |
| 19:14.16 | ZogG | &=? |
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| 19:14.56 | Stskeeps | i vote for pubcrawl instead of discussing distributions on a friday evening |
| 19:15.12 | ZogG | i vote for boobs every friday |
| 19:15.23 | ZogG | i go to work night shift now though =( |
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| 19:22.36 | MohammadAG | I wonder what would happen if i killed xorg |
| 19:23.09 | papo | SpeedEvil: thank you, worked |
| 19:23.09 | papo | cya |
| 19:23.10 | Stskeeps | you'll go to prison and geeks will hate you |
| 19:23.12 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:23.49 | MohammadAG | *sobs* |
| 19:25.17 | Myrtti | organic carrot farming |
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| 19:35.43 | tybollt | they do organic carrot farming in prison now? |
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| 19:42.35 | tybollt | hrr hrr |
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| 19:51.04 | florian | re |
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| 19:53.32 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 |
| 19:54.35 | Myrtti | which reminds me |
| 19:55.31 | Myrtti | since I've misplaced my N800, would someone care to check http://myrtti.fi and report what kind of a blogtheme they see on the site? |
| 19:56.51 | opdf2 | is sipsorcery down? |
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| 20:02.24 | LuciusMare | package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) |
| 20:02.50 | LuciusMare | you mean that there is a difference? |
| 20:03.13 | yabba | is there in ash a command which you can use to remove specific lines from text file. example, if I want to remove all lines which begins with the word foobar? |
| 20:06.20 | LuciusMare | Hm, the package seems to be packed for maemo 2, not for fremantle... *sigh* |
| 20:06.37 | alterego | yabba: sed |
| 20:07.05 | yabba | Ok, thanks |
| 20:07.06 | ruskie | yabba, it's not ash... it's only a shell... but something like sed '/^foobar .*/d' file might work |
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| 20:11.56 | omar | Myrtti, looks artsy-fartsy (your theme) |
| 20:12.09 | omar | if you catch my drift |
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| 20:15.42 | yabba | ok... "sed '/^foobar ./d' file" shows me edited version of file (whitout lines begining with foobar), but those not write it to the file... how I do that then :D |
| 20:17.04 | alterego | pipe it to a new file |
| 20:17.21 | MohammadAG | or use -i |
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| 20:18.29 | MohammadAG | read sed's manual, man sed |
| 20:18.37 | MohammadAG | \o PhonicUK |
| 20:18.42 | PhonicUK | alo :) |
| 20:18.53 | yabba | Both works, thanks :) |
| 20:18.55 | yabba | again :) |
| 20:19.33 | PhonicUK | i just reinstalled Windows on my machine |
| 20:19.34 | PhonicUK | fun fun |
| 20:23.18 | MohammadAG | windows, meh |
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| 20:23.31 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 20:23.49 | PhonicUK | I had accidentally installed a stripped down Win 7 install that i use for my Mini ITX machine |
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| 20:24.01 | PhonicUK | which was missing the parental controls stuff, and some games won't start without it :\ |
| 20:24.20 | MohammadAG | lol that's fail |
| 20:24.37 | PhonicUK | I wanna play Avatar in 3D :) |
| 20:24.40 | PhonicUK | this ought to be fun |
| 20:24.50 | PhonicUK | 3D Vision FTW! |
| 20:29.45 | kpoman | ( o) (o ) |
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| 20:33.27 | yabba | btw, why I got this warning about bugtracker, even I have put this line in build file "p.xsbc_bugtracker="mailto:yabbapappa@gmail.com"" http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pykake/0.5.0-3/ |
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| 20:37.28 | rcg1 | yabba: are you using py2deb or pypackager? |
| 20:37.39 | yabba | py2deb |
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| 20:41.49 | rcg1 | if you check the control file .. you can find this in pykake-0.5.0/debian/control if you extract the generated tar.gz .. you can see that there is no entry starting with "XSBC-Bugtracker:" |
| 20:43.06 | rcg1 | could you post the complete buildfile to pastebin or something |
| 20:43.46 | yabba | yes, I suppose |
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| 20:46.03 | yabba | http://pastebin.com/q4g78WGC |
| 20:48.36 | MohammadAG | and the control file? |
| 20:49.21 | MohammadAG | i think X crashed or something |
| 20:49.23 | MohammadAG | rebooting |
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| 20:52.34 | MohammadAG | i hate embedded linux |
| 20:52.47 | yabba | http://pastebin.com/h1ZPgCzV |
| 20:52.47 | MohammadAG | I expected myself to be in a shell when I killed X |
| 20:52.57 | MohammadAG | dsmetool rebooted the N900 |
| 20:53.00 | RST38h | ARMSDT C "compiler"...eeek |
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| 20:54.11 | MohammadAG | no bug tracker in the control file |
| 20:54.26 | yabba | Aaah, could it be this? "1 march 2010 Py2deb is broken. It creates an incorrect bug tracker link for your package in extras. |
| 20:54.26 | yabba | You can solve the bugtracker issue easily by editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2deb.py line 382 changing it from: bugtrackerstr = "XSBC-Bugtracker: %s" % ( self.xsbc_bugtracker ) into bugtrackerstr = self.xsbc_bugtracker " |
| 20:54.28 | MohammadAG | I'd suggest asking Khertan when he comes online |
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| 20:54.43 | yabba | from wiki page... |
| 20:54.50 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: there is no fbconsole in the default kernel |
| 20:54.56 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: so you can't do anything |
| 20:55.31 | MohammadAG | can it be enabled? |
| 20:55.42 | rcg1 | yabba: but this issue usually would have resulted in an entry like: |
| 20:55.43 | rcg1 | XSBC-Bugtracker: xsbc_bugtracker <your email> |
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| 20:56.14 | rcg1 | what i am wondering is why you do not have any XSBC-Bugtracker: entry at all in your control file |
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| 20:56.41 | yabba | So there is something rotten in it then :/ |
| 20:56.45 | MohammadAG | cause py2deb didn't add it |
| 20:56.51 | MohammadAG | yabba, add it manually |
| 20:57.09 | MohammadAG | or switch to pypackager |
| 20:57.09 | rcg1 | MohammadAG: yeah but why? ;) |
| 20:57.13 | yabba | yep, that was next |
| 20:57.23 | MohammadAG | ~seen Khertan_home |
| 20:57.27 | infobot | khertan_home <~Khertan@AAmiens-155-1-32-189.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4h 59m 57s ago, saying: 'or see you later :)'. |
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| 20:57.41 | MohammadAG | ask him when he returns :) |
| 20:57.59 | rcg1 | ;) |
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| 20:58.54 | rcg1 | MohammadAG: btw, while you are here, are you experienced with autobuilder issues? |
| 20:59.10 | MohammadAG | depends on what you mean by issues :) |
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| 20:59.24 | rcg1 | i know X-Fade is the one to ask but apparently he is quite busy these days |
| 20:59.35 | MohammadAG | weekend just started |
| 21:00.27 | rcg1 | i had some wrong entries in my control files, and corrected these but for some reasons maemo.org/packages is not picking up the corrected values |
| 21:00.49 | rcg1 | it keeps displaying the some incorrect values from older releases |
| 21:01.17 | MohammadAG | hmm, when I change entries they get auto updated |
| 21:01.22 | rcg1 | *-some |
| 21:01.23 | MohammadAG | did you check after a day or so? |
| 21:01.27 | rcg1 | yep |
| 21:01.43 | MohammadAG | the importer runs on xx:05 and xx:35 each hour |
| 21:02.04 | MohammadAG | smoku had that problem with UAE4ALL |
| 21:02.21 | rcg1 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ant/1.8.1-2/ |
| 21:02.24 | rcg1 | aye ic |
| 21:03.30 | rcg1 | its just from time to time i start again to fiddle about that problem but can't seem to find a solution |
| 21:04.40 | MohammadAG | rcg1, what did you change? |
| 21:04.54 | rcg1 | bugtracker link and description |
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| 21:06.06 | rcg1 | http://pastebin.com/K8egn6eJ |
| 21:06.16 | rcg1 | thats what the extracted control file looks like |
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| 21:07.16 | rcg1 | i have the suspicion that it is stumbling over some buggy control file from an older version |
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| 21:07.59 | rcg1 | the control file looks ok to me |
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| 21:09.30 | MohammadAG | rcg1, sometimes the importer f's up, I'd suggest leaving X-Fade a PM and he'll prolly have a look @ it |
| 21:10.01 | frals | are you bumping version number for each version you upload as well? |
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| 21:10.21 | rcg1 | alright .. then i'll have to bother him again .. thanks for your help! |
| 21:10.30 | rcg1 | frals: yes |
| 21:10.52 | rcg1 | well i.e. the build number |
| 21:11.21 | MohammadAG | frals, wouldn't it get rejected if he doesn't? |
| 21:11.31 | frals | no idea, just throwing it out there ;P |
| 21:11.34 | MohammadAG | Damn ZAGG keep spamming my inbox with iStuff |
| 21:11.37 | rcg1 | exactly .. just typing to slow ;) |
| 21:11.52 | MohammadAG | slaps frals around with a large trout |
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| 21:14.51 | rcg1 | i don't know if it is important ... i am also missing the "Old version cleaned by repository management" messages for the offending package |
| 21:15.28 | rcg1 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/clojure/ <-- this package has nearly the same history as the offending ant package but behaves very well so far |
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| 21:15.55 | frals | impressive how you managed to get different version in armel/i386 of ant :) |
| 21:17.19 | creatix | mass chat test, can u please join: |
| 21:17.20 | creatix | http://tinychat.com/pugquit |
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| 21:17.45 | rcg1 | frals: yeah .. blame me there for having no clue ;) |
| 21:18.55 | rcg1 | also thought it might be because of these different versions etc. but as you see the clojure package looks the same and is not problematic |
| 21:19.25 | yabba | can't add that bugtracker manually, it will broke MD5 |
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| 21:23.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: urgent ping |
| 21:23.53 | rcg1 | yabba: you could manually update md5sums and filesizes in the *changes and *dsc files but this wouldnt be very pragmatic imho |
| 21:24.06 | rcg1 | yabba: might go with pypackager directly? |
| 21:24.10 | Jaffa | bergie: alternative ping |
| 21:25.05 | rcg1 | yabba: http://gitorious.org/pypackager/pypackager/blobs/master/pypackager.py <-- see the bottom of the file |
| 21:25.11 | bergie | Jaffa: pong |
| 21:25.50 | Jaffa | bergie: Trying to save a new article under maemo.org/community/council/ and was getting "the given internal name was not 'clean', try ..." - but I don't have an internal name field, it's auto-derived it from my first title. |
| 21:26.11 | bergie | Jaffa: what was your title? |
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| 21:26.47 | rcg1 | yabba: or see http://gitorious.org/pygtkeditor/pygtkeditor/blobs/master/make.py for a more sophisticated example |
| 21:27.07 | Jaffa | bergie: just tried creating a new article with the title: "maemo.org: this sprint and beyond meeting - Monday 17th May 13:00 UTC" |
| 21:27.17 | Jaffa | bergie: And I get: "Given name is not "clean", try 'maemo-org-this_sprint_and_beyond_meeting-monday_17th_may_13-00_utc'" |
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| 21:27.30 | Jaffa | bergie: Any hint as to which character to avoid? |
| 21:28.10 | yabba | rcg1, so I start to learn use pypackager then :/ |
| 21:28.32 | bergie | Jaffa: let me check what the config on "clean URL names" says there |
| 21:28.41 | Jaffa | bergie: Limited myself to alphanumerics, space and ':'. Got the damend thing up |
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| 21:29.00 | Jaffa | bergie: If I can't edit the URL/internal name, I really don't give a damn how it auto-cleans it ;-) |
| 21:29.37 | rcg1 | yabba: .. the only thing which looked in your py2deb script a little bit differently as compared to mine is that you have only a single line description in " while i have multiline descriptions in """ |
| 21:29.38 | bergie | Jaffa: ok, can you file me a bug to check the config there? |
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| 21:31.09 | rcg1 | yabba: you could also give that a try first but i don't know if thats the issue |
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| 21:33.51 | Dima202 | hm |
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| 21:36.07 | crashanddie | lmao, Shapeshifter is such a plonker |
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| 21:36.42 | yabba | rcg1, there is 2 things to try (before I try pyPackager), I changed that description to multiline and update the py2deb (I find out that there were newer version in -devel). |
| 21:36.52 | yabba | damn, moskitos! |
| 21:37.33 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: heh |
| 21:37.49 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: proud of it |
| 21:37.51 | crashanddie | Jaffa: it's the :, methinks |
| 21:38.11 | crashanddie | Jaffa: or - |
| 21:38.32 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: please don't post utter crap about IDEs like you did on TMO |
| 21:38.42 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: some people might actually read you and think you're insightful |
| 21:39.31 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I usually don't comment on stuff on tmo, but after having to work with eclipse for two months I couldn't miss the chance to rant. |
| 21:39.43 | crashanddie | oh wow, a whole 2 months eh? |
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| 21:39.58 | crashanddie | I've been using it for the past 3 bloody years, and couldn't commend it enough |
| 21:40.00 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: half of the time it's useful and assistive, the other half of the time it comes in your way being annoying. |
| 21:40.06 | rcg1 | yabba: let me know how it goes ;) |
| 21:40.12 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: different tastes I guess. |
| 21:40.28 | yabba | rcg1, yep |
| 21:40.29 | Shapeshifter | if you swear on it, go on |
| 21:40.31 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: indeed, taste, no need to crap on it because it doesn't match your tastes |
| 21:40.41 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: is it slow? |
| 21:40.49 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: there's a difference between saying "This doesn't taste very nice", and "This is horseshit" |
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| 21:41.09 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: well some people like horseshit I guess. |
| 21:41.21 | hawai`i | lmfao |
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| 21:41.44 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: no, it isn't slow, get a decent computer ffs |
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| 21:42.23 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: say what you think all you want, just don't insult good developers because they use a tool |
| 21:42.46 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: look. Eclipse - imo - is a total mess. It's slow, it's buggy and it offends all basic principles of cleanness. It ships with its own stupid package manager, it comes in your way constantly and if you're caught in the illusion of it being helpful, you might wanna go without it for a couple of months and you'll see that you never really needed it. |
| 21:42.56 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: it isn't slow? oh come on... |
| 21:43.05 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: claiming eclipse is a tool that "helps mediocre programmers not get lost in a medium sized business application" |
| 21:43.12 | Shapeshifter | takes like half a minute to load on a decent machine |
| 21:43.12 | crashanddie | is just insulting a whole load of people |
| 21:43.24 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I admit it is |
| 21:43.26 | Shapeshifter | sorry about that |
| 21:43.31 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: unlike what, vc++? Takes exactly the same amount of time |
| 21:43.36 | Shapeshifter | couldn't help it. but don't go around saying it isn't slow. |
| 21:43.39 | Arkenoi | uses vi. |
| 21:43.50 | Shapeshifter | uses vi or geany |
| 21:44.16 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: any program with such a codebase is going to be slow. Isn't that like saying a tank is useless because it isn't as fast as a racecar? |
| 21:44.42 | yabba | rcg1, lol'd I think it was that description... |
| 21:44.43 | Shapeshifter | interesting analogy. oh, but tanks only destroy things, so I guess I'll have to ignore that. |
| 21:45.29 | SpeedEvil | Tanks can also build bridges. |
| 21:45.45 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: that tank is insane, btw |
| 21:45.54 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: the one from the british engineers? |
| 21:46.01 | crashanddie | whatever the division is called |
| 21:46.28 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: There has been a long-history of engineering tanks. Back to their invention |
| 21:46.32 | rcg1 | yabba: lol, ok .. well good if it works now :) |
| 21:46.53 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: btw, there's some thing I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong or didn't notice anything, but it seems like there's almost no good piece of software written in java. if you leave out eclipse and netbeans which are both debatable, there's not much left. |
| 21:47.00 | Shapeshifter | I think there's a streaming server that sounded reasonable |
| 21:47.21 | Shapeshifter | but it seemed to me like software written in java tends to be rather bad. |
| 21:47.43 | Shapeshifter | Any clues for other good software written in java? |
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| 21:47.54 | Shapeshifter | (because honestly I just don't know much) |
| 21:48.01 | SpeedEvil | uses JOSM a fair bit. |
| 21:48.11 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: altitude, we feel fine |
| 21:48.22 | SpeedEvil | http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ - java openstreetmap editor |
| 21:48.38 | budfive | SpeedEvil: I feel that's despite its JAVA-ness, not because of it |
| 21:49.00 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: also, a lot of enterprise software is written in Java, not that I expect you to understand that anything beyond what you see could be good |
| 21:50.09 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I admit I haven't had *much* contact with enterprise software (except of a few months using some customer database software, not developing it) but my impressions are that business software is usually writte without much care for "goodness" but rather "get it done" |
| 21:50.34 | Shapeshifter | which is kinda understandable because much of it is a bit boring. |
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| 21:52.34 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: websphere is an amazing piece of code, as is Jboss, let's not even mention xerces or intellij, azureus, jedit, go grinder, squirrel, sweet home 3d, runescape, aerith, genj, visual vm, jalbum :) |
| 21:53.11 | rcg1 | Shapeshifter: do you consider only end user software? |
| 21:53.14 | crashanddie | to be honest, I wouldn't even think of writing anything in Java unless it'll use Jboss or webspher |
| 21:53.15 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: I see you have a lot more experience than I do |
| 21:53.26 | Shapeshifter | rcg1: I consider only what I know ;) |
| 21:53.42 | rcg1 | Shapeshifter: hehe ic |
| 21:54.14 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: check out www.wefeelfine.org it's a bit CPU intensive, but definitely worth a look (and sadly, the flash implementation is even worse) |
| 21:54.18 | rcg1 | Shapeshifter: personally i like ant, junit, swt, swtbot quite well |
| 21:54.27 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: also, have a look at processing.org very nice project, very nice ideas |
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| 21:54.53 | rcg1 | and clojure looks also interesting |
| 21:55.22 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: that "we feel fine" is incredibly slow. |
| 21:55.37 | crashanddie | also heaps of information going around :) |
| 21:55.43 | crashanddie | runs fine on my computer though |
| 21:56.29 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: also: http://thewhalehunt.org/ |
| 21:56.41 | crashanddie | ah crap, it's flash |
| 21:56.42 | Shapeshifter | maybe it's because I have openjdk on this box. |
| 21:56.56 | Shapeshifter | but it's a c2d 6850. kinda doubt it's much slower than yours. |
| 21:57.27 | crashanddie | ah yes, I run sun jre |
| 21:57.35 | crashanddie | and only have a 2.6ghz c2d |
| 21:57.58 | crashanddie | but if you check the whale hunt, you'll notice it's dog slow as well, just because of the massive amount of information being displayed |
| 21:58.16 | crashanddie | timeline is the way to display it, btw |
| 21:58.21 | crashanddie | (bottom right corner) |
| 21:59.22 | Shapeshifter | I don't really get it. it's like a slide show |
| 22:00.01 | Shapeshifter | with tags |
| 22:00.30 | crashanddie | yeah, he had a camera attached to his torso, and it would take more pictures based on his heartrate |
| 22:00.53 | crashanddie | so the more excited he got, the more often it would take pictures |
| 22:01.14 | crashanddie | in timeline you can actually see, in a kind of pulse wave format where the actual whale killing went on |
| 22:01.28 | crashanddie | another project of Jon is this: http://universe.daylife.com/ |
| 22:01.42 | crashanddie | but if wff.o was slow for you, don't even bother opening this one |
| 22:01.52 | crashanddie | there's so many people contributing to it, I can't even run it decently |
| 22:02.00 | SpeedEvil | budfive: Well - the other editor is flash. |
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| 22:02.19 | SpeedEvil | budfive: Which is actually quite OK. - it's written using an open-source toolchain |
| 22:02.57 | Shapeshifter | so now we know that java is pretty slow? |
| 22:03.07 | crashanddie | nha, it would be slow in any language, really |
| 22:03.10 | crashanddie | unless maybe C |
| 22:03.15 | Shapeshifter | well at least it's cross platform I guess.... |
| 22:03.17 | crashanddie | but any portable language would be slow |
| 22:03.19 | budfive | SpeedEvil: I tried to love merkaartor, but it was way too bug-ridden |
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| 22:03.51 | budfive | SpeedEvil: Last time I looked at this (maybe 4 months ago) it did seem like josm was easily the best of the bunch |
| 22:04.22 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: do you know a better java visual framework than swing? |
| 22:04.24 | Shapeshifter | swing is awful. |
| 22:04.32 | rcg1 | Shapeshifter: swt |
| 22:04.42 | rcg1 | it provides native look and feel |
| 22:04.56 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: I've never done much in terms of GUI with Java, unless I was drawing everything myself |
| 22:05.03 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: and then again, I would just go through processing |
| 22:05.07 | crashanddie | (processing.org) |
| 22:05.11 | Shapeshifter | thanks |
| 22:06.02 | rcg1 | btw. the just in time compiler provides a decent speed up |
| 22:08.15 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: here's another pretty fun project: demonstrates a java app that searches for tweets with specific sentences to show airflight: http://vimeo.com/4583713 |
| 22:08.18 | Arkenoi | is there a desktop software functionally similar to Mussorgsky? |
| 22:08.22 | rcg1 | crashanddie: ain't processing more for "graphical effects" .. thats what o saw from it so far |
| 22:08.32 | rcg1 | *i |
| 22:08.42 | crashanddie | rcg1: look at video above, is done using processing |
| 22:09.14 | crashanddie | rcg1: but yeah, the primary goal of processing is to allow developers to do "art" by typing code |
| 22:09.29 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: well those are all nice ideas and concepts but I was more referring to applications you might use every day. those don't seem to be written in java very often (well except of business applications) |
| 22:09.37 | rcg1 | crashanddie: hehe yeah thats what i meant ;) |
| 22:09.45 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: because they're not meant to? |
| 22:10.06 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: I don't see java as a language that would suit most apps for desktop usage, and I don't think anyone who understands java does |
| 22:10.20 | rcg1 | crashanddie: i always become jealous because of these neat effects |
| 22:10.44 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: it's like writing a torrent tracker in PHP. Sure, you can do it, but would you run it? Probably not |
| 22:10.55 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: what is it good for then, where most other oo languages would be less suited? |
| 22:11.05 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: Java, for me, allows for quick prototyping, and having fun whether I'm on my mac, my windows box, or my Linux VM |
| 22:11.13 | Shapeshifter | okay. |
| 22:11.14 | rcg1 | Shapeshifter: if you look for a swing (or even awt) replacement you might take a look at SWT .. its imo a pretty neat solution |
| 22:11.19 | Shapeshifter | so like python for me |
| 22:11.26 | crashanddie | it allows me to send some source code through to a friend, knowing that he just needs to dump it in eclipse, and I know it'll run |
| 22:11.55 | crashanddie | also, it allows my customers to run my code, because I know they all run websphere 6.x, so I know that I just need to zip up an EAR file, and they can deploy it |
| 22:12.20 | crashanddie | these are people who run mainframes on triple or quadruple books (each book = roughly $100k) |
| 22:12.37 | crashanddie | they don't care if java is 95 or 97% the speed of C |
| 22:12.50 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: so would you want to run eclipse on your n900? |
| 22:13.18 | crashanddie | because the amount of shit you get in with error handling in C, or the difficulty of matching up correct library versions on solaris, zlinux, and whatnot is just madness |
| 22:13.28 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: definitely not |
| 22:13.31 | Arkenoi | well, i ran eclipse on 500MHz PA-RISC |
| 22:13.45 | Arkenoi | the speed was quite decent |
| 22:13.52 | Shapeshifter | crashanddie: well at least we can agree on that :> |
| 22:13.58 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: for the same reason i wouldn't want outlook or thunderbird on my n900 |
| 22:14.07 | crashanddie | or openoffice, for that matter |
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| 22:14.39 | crashanddie | Shapeshifter: java is about a whole lot more than speed |
| 22:14.50 | crashanddie | it's a shame the speed junkies can't wrap their head around that |
| 22:15.34 | crashanddie | </rant> |
| 22:15.37 | crashanddie | did I earn a cookie? |
| 22:15.43 | rcg1 | lol |
| 22:16.04 | MohammadAG | gives crashanddie half a cookie |
| 22:16.14 | crashanddie | thanks |
| 22:16.19 | MohammadAG | now trademark it and start selling mobiles |
| 22:16.21 | Shapeshifter | hands crashanddie a shortbread |
| 22:16.27 | MohammadAG | cPhone |
| 22:16.28 | crashanddie | yipee |
| 22:16.33 | crashanddie | cunt Phone? |
| 22:16.57 | MohammadAG | well |
| 22:17.08 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, cookie, cunt, whatever you want |
| 22:17.28 | MohammadAG | the first 1 was a suggestion not a ping |
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| 22:18.54 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 22:21.32 | DrWilken | Speed -> :D |
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| 23:02.38 | w00t_ | sighs at (once again) managing to explode x |
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| 23:11.17 | heoa | anyone has full debian apt-get in n810L |
| 23:11.19 | heoa | ? |
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| 23:14.24 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 23:14.53 | PhonicUK | anyone know a good theme? something blue... |
| 23:15.10 | PhonicUK | maybe a blue version of the human theme |
| 23:15.48 | SpeedEvil | avatar? |
| 23:15.56 | SpeedEvil | smurf? |
| 23:16.19 | PhonicUK | avatar is an awesome film |
| 23:16.37 | PhonicUK | i cant wait to play the game in 3D |
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| 23:17.20 | PhonicUK | are those themes in the repos? |
| 23:18.00 | heoa | anyone chrooted OpenBSD to N810? |
| 23:18.54 | SpeedEvil | I was simply suggesting things along the blue human theme. |
| 23:19.11 | PhonicUK | oh dear... |
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| 23:32.09 | pigeon | where are all the user desktop configuration/desktop file stored? |
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| 23:45.40 | PhonicUK | pigeon, ~/.config ? |
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| 23:47.12 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.30 | hcm | SpeedEvil: that directory doesn't even exist for me⦠|
| 23:52.42 | hcm | pigeon: are you looking for *.desktop files? |
| 23:52.53 | hcm | try "find / -name |
| 23:53.15 | hcm | sorry⦠find / -name "*.desktop" | less |
| 23:54.55 | pigeon | hmm, like, i've added a url shortcut on the desktop, where is that information stored? |
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