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| 00:00.12 | Pekuja_ | I'm having a problem trying to install the SDK |
| 00:00.27 | Pekuja_ | it seems like sudo is failing |
| 00:00.32 | Pekuja_ | "mmap: Operation not permitted" |
| 00:00.38 | Pekuja_ | this is on Ubuntu 10.04 inside Virtualbox |
| 00:01.19 | wazd | hmmm, "Design by Community" is an interesting thing :) |
| 00:01.35 | Pekuja_ | oh, hmm |
| 00:01.46 | Pekuja_ | should had taken a look at the installation guide. the solution is right there |
| 00:02.12 | wazd | http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ <- they are now making design concepts according to the chosen specs |
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| 00:24.31 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: very soon? |
| 00:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | copying, remaining time 25min |
| 00:28.25 | Macer | HAHAHAH |
| 00:28.30 | Macer | avatar the cartoon is great |
| 00:28.49 | Macer | omg the earth bending girl cracks me up |
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| 00:34.39 | Funnyfacemob | I just can't explain how much more I like my N900 than my old htc tytn II.. that device was the dumbest thing I ever spent my money on :> |
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| 00:38.36 | luke-jr | Funnyfacemob: the opposite for me |
| 00:38.54 | acidjazz | yoyoyo |
| 00:38.59 | acidjazz | any1 in here get android on their mameo yet? |
| 00:38.59 | luke-jr | I liked my C760 more than my N810, which was the dumbest thing I ever spent my money on :p |
| 00:39.00 | acidjazz | maemo* |
| 00:39.07 | luke-jr | acidjazz: that's a contradiction |
| 00:39.15 | acidjazz | on their n900 |
| 00:39.16 | acidjazz | sorry |
| 00:39.24 | luke-jr | also, Android sucks |
| 00:39.32 | luke-jr | #NITdroid for Android fanboys |
| 00:40.32 | acidjazz | lol its the best phone os next to maemo |
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| 00:42.58 | luke-jr | acidjazz: they both suck |
| 00:43.03 | luke-jr | and N900 isn't a phone |
| 00:43.50 | ptl | and windows isn't an OS |
| 00:44.03 | acidjazz | this isnt irc |
| 00:44.09 | luke-jr | fail |
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| 00:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | Dima202: ok, so when do you say the AV signal turns black? |
| 00:56.49 | Funnyfacemob | yeah the N900 is a phone whether you want to accept it as one or not :P |
| 00:58.24 | luke-jr | Funnyfacemob: nope |
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| 01:00.33 | Funnyfacemob | anyway what is wrong with the N900? |
| 01:01.46 | luke-jr | it's junk :P |
| 01:01.48 | luke-jr | too small |
| 01:01.51 | Funnyfacemob | I can only think of one thing I'd like to add to it, and that's 2 hardware buttons on the front panel, which can be used without the keyboard |
| 01:01.52 | luke-jr | too closed |
| 01:01.53 | luke-jr | etc |
| 01:02.42 | Funnyfacemob | the size makes it fit well in your pocket as a phone, while still having a decent portable OS |
| 01:03.05 | luke-jr | well I don't want a phone |
| 01:03.20 | luke-jr | N8x0 fit in my pocket fine |
| 01:03.22 | luke-jr | as did C760 |
| 01:03.33 | luke-jr | without the insane small screen |
| 01:03.40 | Funnyfacemob | yeah but it's not junk, being in the category it is :P |
| 01:03.52 | luke-jr | Nokia doesn't put it in the phone category last I checked |
| 01:03.58 | luke-jr | it's in the tablet category |
| 01:04.03 | luke-jr | or handheld category |
| 01:04.11 | Funnyfacemob | it's a bit like saying "my laptop sucks as a phone because it's too large to fit in my pocket" |
| 01:04.26 | luke-jr | except N900 isn't supposed to be a phone |
| 01:04.48 | luke-jr | most NITs don't even have a cell modem |
| 01:05.40 | Funnyfacemob | well for the average "I just want a good phone" type of people they'd be disappointed and find it hard to navigate simply because the phone stuff is too hidden away |
| 01:06.13 | luke-jr | I'm still waiting for a decent successor to C760 |
| 01:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | Dima202: video from AV 'works' (well it's the usual crap with only 65535 colors making faces look like painted with a big brush, it's jumpy and red is way too saturated) |
| 01:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | but it's not black after maybe 10 minutes now |
| 01:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | Dima202: so I'll finish watching that movie now |
| 01:08.30 | Funnyfacemob | also regarding the "too closed" part, I haven't looked too much into it, but I guess if you stripped maemo down to just the gpl licensed stuff, you'd still have a decent OS |
| 01:08.48 | Funnyfacemob | installing open source stuff to replace the junk |
| 01:08.54 | luke-jr | Funnyfacemob: if you stripped it down to only the Free parts, you wouldn't have anything that worked period |
| 01:08.59 | Funnyfacemob | no idea about the drivers |
| 01:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | Dima202: maybe your TV has problem with the 2.25:1 cinemascope format? |
| 01:09.08 | luke-jr | the closed junk is not replacable unless Nokia releases specs |
| 01:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: uhuh |
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| 01:11.08 | budfive | anybody using an invisibleshield for an n900? |
| 01:11.42 | Funnyfacemob | I wish I had because I made a small scratch the other week |
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| 01:12.21 | budfive | :) |
| 01:12.25 | Funnyfacemob | nothing major, can't see it unless I look for it, but it's annoying to know that it is there :( |
| 01:12.51 | budfive | well, if anybody installed one, is there any trick to preventing liquid from entering the speaker? |
| 01:14.04 | Funnyfacemob | doesn't it just cling to the screen the same way as the original screen protector did? |
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| 01:19.49 | budfive | there's a liquid spray involved in the installations |
| 01:22.51 | Funnyfacemob | hmm no idea. maybe don't spray too much on? :P |
| 01:23.21 | Funnyfacemob | and hold it so any excess liquid doesn't run into the spaker |
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| 01:46.28 | LiraNuna | all my application catalogs are gone |
| 01:46.47 | Scifi_ | Hi, Is there a way to know how many times an app is downloaded/installed from a repository? |
| 01:47.35 | SpeedEvil | Scifi_: yes |
| 01:47.54 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras |
| 01:48.32 | SpeedEvil | frals cheats though by pushing a new update every 8 or 9 seconds. |
| 01:49.02 | crashanddie | GAN900: fail, TF2 not available on mac yet |
| 01:49.11 | Scifi_ | SpeedEvil: Thats what I need. Thank you :) |
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| 01:50.07 | SpeedEvil | To get a number for an app, you need to correlate the above graph with the release versions, and come up with a function that decomposes the superposition of all of the versions downloads into one number of users. |
| 01:50.10 | SpeedEvil | this is tricky |
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| 01:52.11 | Funnyfacemob | are there any reliable estimates of how many N900 units nokia has sold? |
| 01:53.33 | Scifi_ | I am not looking at processing that data automatically. Just for reference. |
| 01:54.04 | LiraNuna | all my application catalogs are gone, what are the default ones? |
| 01:55.01 | SpeedEvil | http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 01:55.12 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 01:56.26 | LiraNuna | I did the update |
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| 01:56.37 | LiraNuna | Chromium and LED Pattern editor |
| 01:56.43 | LiraNuna | and the update failed because of slow network |
| 01:56.55 | LiraNuna | after I tried to update again, all the catalogs are gone |
| 01:57.12 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 01:57.18 | SpeedEvil | First I would try a reboot. |
| 01:57.36 | SpeedEvil | does 'application catalogs' show null? |
| 01:57.52 | LiraNuna | nope, empty |
| 01:58.00 | LiraNuna | only the [NEW] button is there |
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| 01:58.04 | LiraNuna | let me try and reboot |
| 01:58.27 | LiraNuna | I didn't reboot the phone in months |
| 02:00.24 | Funnyfacemob | really? mine reboots by itself :p |
| 02:04.13 | LiraNuna | that worked, weird |
| 02:04.15 | LiraNuna | thanks SpeedEvil |
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| 02:07.21 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 02:07.37 | asj | even |
| 02:07.41 | SpeedEvil | I blame solar flares. |
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| 02:12.12 | LiraNuna | wow, Opera is impressive |
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| 02:13.14 | SpeedEvil | is it not in repo? |
| 02:13.37 | pexi- | how impressive? |
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| 02:13.43 | LiraNuna | pexi-, worth installing |
| 02:13.50 | LiraNuna | faster than microB |
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| 02:14.11 | pexi- | hmm.. how about js-engine? |
| 02:14.15 | LiraNuna | http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/downloads/appsdown/1409-unofficial-return-of-opera-mobile-to-maemo-devices-after-more-than-a-3-years-of-absence |
| 02:14.57 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 02:15.25 | LiraNuna | very impressive - worth installing |
| 02:15.32 | LiraNuna | checking if it supports flash now |
| 02:16.19 | pexi- | LiraNuna, does it have any device api support like geolocation (gps) or orientation? |
| 02:16.29 | LiraNuna | orientation - YES |
| 02:16.34 | LiraNuna | very well too |
| 02:16.35 | pigeon | no flash yet i thought |
| 02:16.37 | LiraNuna | didn't check geolocation |
| 02:16.41 | SpeedEvil | 'no flash or other plugins' |
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| 02:17.04 | LiraNuna | ah, yeah |
| 02:17.08 | LiraNuna | youtube isn't working |
| 02:17.10 | pexi- | kernel driver for rotation, I see |
| 02:17.18 | LiraNuna | let's check geolocation |
| 02:18.34 | LiraNuna | hahaha |
| 02:18.38 | LiraNuna | google maps mobile says |
| 02:18.45 | LiraNuna | "Your current location is unavailable in Safari" |
| 02:18.57 | dougt | LiraNuna: try: http://people.mozilla.org/~dougt/demos/geo.html |
| 02:19.29 | pigeon | do you know how to zoom in/out in opera? |
| 02:19.55 | LiraNuna | pigeon, click and hold |
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| 02:20.06 | LiraNuna | as in |
| 02:20.07 | LiraNuna | long tap |
| 02:20.43 | pigeon | thanks, double tap also works |
| 02:20.47 | LiraNuna | double tap works as well |
| 02:20.48 | LiraNuna | hehe |
| 02:20.57 | LiraNuna | Opera is very impressive |
| 02:21.00 | LiraNuna | runs sun spider |
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| 02:22.06 | SpeedEvil | No flash. |
| 02:22.11 | SpeedEvil | DEALBRAKER. |
| 02:22.44 | pigeon | heh |
| 02:23.01 | pigeon | the default browser is the only one that can do flash at the moment i thought |
| 02:23.02 | ds3 | would you like NAND or NOR? ;) |
| 02:23.15 | SpeedEvil | MLC |
| 02:23.27 | SpeedEvil | pigeon: and fennec IIRC |
| 02:23.32 | SpeedEvil | Or was that firefox |
| 02:23.37 | pigeon | really? |
| 02:23.47 | pigeon | i installed firefox, but still haven't used it. |
| 02:23.53 | pigeon | also wondering about midori. |
| 02:24.01 | LiraNuna | <SpeedEvil> DEALBRAKER. |
| 02:24.05 | LiraNuna | dude it's alpha |
| 02:24.07 | SpeedEvil | firefox is regrettably slow. |
| 02:24.17 | LiraNuna | ^ |
| 02:24.19 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 02:24.28 | LiraNuna | I'm impressed with it as an alpha |
| 02:25.33 | Funnyfacemob | I used both iceweasel and some hmm "ephiphany"? browser with debian and I think they are both about as fast as microb even though they are not really optimized for this hardware |
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| 02:27.13 | LiraNuna | 25301ms +/- 6.4% |
| 02:27.26 | pigeon | well my firefox doesn't have flash installed. |
| 02:27.37 | Funnyfacemob | hmm I was going to come up with a point to that but I forgot what I was going to say |
| 02:29.17 | LiraNuna | flash 9 is annoyingly slow on N900 |
| 02:29.24 | LiraNuna | I hope 10.1 will speed things up |
| 02:29.48 | Funnyfacemob | I hope HTML5 will speed things up |
| 02:30.06 | Funnyfacemob | let's get rid of the shitty flash once and for all |
| 02:30.12 | ds3 | this is amazing what a difference locking to GSM/EGPRS makes on the battery life |
| 02:30.28 | LiraNuna | yeah, 3G is a battery whore |
| 02:30.31 | LiraNuna | even more than wifi |
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| 02:32.50 | SpeedEvil | Wifi uses lots of power only when not powersaving really. |
| 02:33.08 | ds3 | EGPRS/GSM seems to have increased my battery life 2-3x |
| 02:33.19 | SpeedEvil | Idle with a decent powersaving router having it on and allowing ssh in adds maybe .1% battery drain per hour |
| 02:33.26 | ds3 | WiFi doesn't seem to impact battery life, AFAICT |
| 02:33.42 | SpeedEvil | ds3: It does - it's not easily noticable though. |
| 02:33.52 | ds3 | I have mail checks every 30minutes along with IM in the background |
| 02:33.59 | SpeedEvil | ds3: It's something like 150 hours live vs 130 |
| 02:34.07 | SpeedEvil | life |
| 02:34.10 | Funnyfacemob | well I notice a difference with wifi |
| 02:34.13 | ds3 | SpreedEvil: *nod* it is down in the noise |
| 02:34.27 | Funnyfacemob | no idea what power saving modes my AP supports though |
| 02:34.40 | SpeedEvil | Funnyface: do you have your powersaving mode set to ma? |
| 02:34.42 | SpeedEvil | max? |
| 02:35.06 | Funnyfacemob | it's a WRT54GL that I haven't installed DDWRT on yet |
| 02:35.25 | Funnyfacemob | on the N900 or AP? |
| 02:35.26 | SpeedEvil | I have a wrt54g that I need to hook back up |
| 02:35.30 | SpeedEvil | AP |
| 02:35.34 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:35.41 | SpeedEvil | the n900 has to have it set to max |
| 02:35.50 | SpeedEvil | the AP has to support it too, or it won't work |
| 02:36.11 | SpeedEvil | It's a low-level driver function as I understand it, not something ddwrt might help |
| 02:36.30 | Funnyfacemob | can't remember.. I remember seeing the settings |
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| 02:37.46 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: are you there? |
| 02:37.59 | Dima202 | Sorry i stepped out |
| 02:38.03 | Funnyfacemob | actually I might have disabled it on the N900 because I was trying to get it working with a messed up adhoc network |
| 02:38.19 | Funnyfacemob | where were those settings again? |
| 02:39.15 | SpeedEvil | Funnyface: settings -> internet - > select the connect - and it's at the end IIRC |
| 02:39.15 | Dima202 | poke DocScrutinizer |
| 02:40.46 | Funnyfacemob | ah ok. well I don't have the network saved like that, I just bring up a list of broadcasting networks and connect :P |
| 02:41.35 | Funnyfacemob | I will take a look at it when I get back home, atm I am at a place where I don't know the AP password if I get disconnected |
| 02:42.01 | N900evil | nonpowersaving uses stupid power. |
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| 02:42.19 | N900evil | 1/6th bat per hour |
| 02:42.34 | Funnyfacemob | hehe yes, adhoc showed me that |
| 02:42.52 | Funnyfacemob | immediate improvement as soon as my WRT54GL arrived |
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| 02:50.46 | kantlivelong | MohammadAG: if you get this can you ping me @ kant_mobile.. thx |
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| 02:58.55 | SpeedEvil | opera looks very interesting |
| 02:59.04 | SpeedEvil | It is in some places lots faster than microb |
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| 03:24.10 | Dima202 | I've heard Opera release for n900, any good? |
| 03:25.39 | SpeedEvil | It's somewhat faster in places. |
| 03:25.49 | SpeedEvil | And some interesting touches |
| 03:26.10 | Dima202 | I'll try it then |
| 03:26.18 | SpeedEvil | if it had flash - it would be an interesting alternative |
| 03:26.29 | Dima202 | aww now flash :( |
| 03:26.38 | SpeedEvil | many sites I'm on pretty much require flash |
| 03:27.30 | Dima202 | no hack to enable it like on firefox? |
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| 03:38.53 | Dima202 | wow opera is very attractive |
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| 04:43.05 | pigeon | hmm, how come they say the front camera on the n900 isn't working? |
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| 04:46.59 | pigeon | or they just mean it's not being used by any apps |
| 04:47.20 | luke-jr | they mean if you take a picture of them, they will stab your N900 through the camera |
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| 04:55.09 | RST38h | delete * |
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| 04:55.15 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 05:03.39 | swc|666 | luke-jr, +1 |
| 05:03.51 | swc|666 | idiot is right |
| 05:07.51 | RST38h | Germans To Get Fined For Not Securing Wi-Fi Networks |
| 05:08.58 | swc|666 | 64-bit wep ftw |
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| 05:14.27 | rektide | haha word swc|666 |
| 05:14.34 | rektide | kwality |
| 05:17.07 | swc|666 | lol |
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| 05:18.34 | opdf2 | anyone in chicago T-Mobile? |
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| 05:36.06 | dotblank | omg.. steam for linux is official |
| 05:38.49 | luke-jr | and worthless |
| 05:38.52 | microlith | did valve announce it? |
| 05:39.03 | tank-man | "app store" |
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| 05:39.13 | njsf_ | OMG no PR 1.2 yet :) |
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| 05:42.30 | tank-man | speaking of steam ... "Today, nosy PC gamers discovered that the version of Rockstar Games' Max Payne 2 being sold through Valve's Steam service looked an awful lot like the one released by pirate group Myth" |
| 05:43.26 | TigerTael | lol |
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| 07:08.16 | Dassu | oke, so my n900 headphones just broke. Well, they lasted for 5 months, imho that's pretty good. |
| 07:08.39 | Dassu | Fucking pisses me of that no manufacotrer can't produce a wire that actually witstands |
| 07:09.10 | Dassu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.14 | Dassu | *withstands |
| 07:09.29 | alterego | Dassu: I had some really nice sony headphones that broke a couple of months ago, had them for two years, used them every day :( |
| 07:09.44 | alterego | I've been looking for the same model, but I can't find 'em anymore :'( |
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| 07:12.22 | jacekowski | Dassu: they can |
| 07:12.24 | hrw-uds | hi |
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| 07:12.36 | alterego | Nokia headphones are cheap and rubbish though IMO, |
| 07:12.38 | jacekowski | Dassu: but do you want to carry 10mm^2 wire with you? |
| 07:12.59 | alterego | Dassu: get a bluetooth set :D |
| 07:13.09 | jacekowski | or |
| 07:13.11 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Wire_Armoured_(SWA)_Cable |
| 07:13.16 | jacekowski | that would withstand it |
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| 07:27.17 | arachnist | Dassu: get good bluetooth headphones |
| 07:27.30 | arachnist | Dassu: like the sennheiser mm100 |
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| 07:31.16 | RST38h | <yawn> |
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| 07:34.42 | gerrymoth | G |
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| 07:35.38 | gerrymoth | Oh not been on irc for awhile. Thing to remember how to use again :D |
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| 07:36.49 | RST38h | gerry: the most important command is /sign |
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| 07:40.48 | gerrymoth | Rst38h: remind me what that does? :D |
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| 07:56.18 | Stskeeps | wow |
| 07:56.23 | Stskeeps | they got usb host working on n900 |
| 07:57.50 | petteri | link |
| 07:57.55 | petteri | :) |
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| 07:59.17 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656408&postcount=852 |
| 07:59.28 | petteri | thansk |
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| 08:00.19 | arachnist | cool |
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| 08:07.41 | stranger_ | Stskeeps, ya, link please |
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| 08:07.48 | stranger_ | oops |
| 08:09.36 | RST38h | tmo is dead again |
| 08:12.46 | stranger_ | is there a list of software in repositories somewhere in the web? |
| 08:14.00 | RST38h | yes. |
| 08:16.24 | stranger_ | RST38h, any link? |
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| 08:19.33 | t3st | bah |
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| 08:27.49 | AD-N770 | ajf: why do you want rename me? |
| 08:28.23 | stranger_ | if something went wrong during flashing and the N900 was bricked. is there a way to 'restore' it back to factory condition? |
| 08:29.04 | pupnik | hey AD-N770 |
| 08:29.23 | AD-N770 | hi pupnik |
| 08:29.45 | X-Fade | stranger_: Just flash it again. |
| 08:30.13 | Stskeeps | ajf_: that's a rather lame script |
| 08:31.49 | MohammadAG | votes to kick ajf_, who/whatever that is |
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| 09:25.21 | hrw-uds | ~curse people which use word 'bricked' when they did not bridket their devices |
| 09:25.23 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, people which use word 'bricked' when they did not bridket their devices ! |
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| 09:39.46 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: awesome |
| 09:39.49 | SpeedEvil | egoshin++ |
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| 09:46.29 | wall[e] | seriously, must build a theme... |
| 09:46.47 | wall[e] | where are moods? |
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| 09:59.18 | pupnik | http://www.davidrevoy.com/?article25/mypaint-request << interesting - an artist's view on what needs doing for mypaint |
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| 10:03.53 | Wizzup | Is there a way to change the way the mount points are set up a bit? My / is constantly at 100%, while /dev/mmcblk0p2 is at 41%. I know how to change mount points, but I couldn't find a wiki page with a recommended setup |
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| 10:04.58 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.31 | SpeedEvil | the stock firmware will not boot if you copy the filesystem to mmc, and try to boot it |
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| 10:05.39 | SpeedEvil | find can be of use |
| 10:05.45 | SpeedEvil | install gnu findutils |
| 10:05.56 | Wizzup | I have find :) |
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| 10:06.15 | SpeedEvil | find / -mount -mtime -20 |
| 10:06.33 | SpeedEvil | will find all files altered every 20 days ago |
| 10:06.50 | SpeedEvil | add -size +200k - and you get a list of largish new files |
| 10:07.13 | Wizzup | well, it isn't particulary new, I've had this for quite a while, will try the size opt |
| 10:07.37 | Wizzup | mainly /var/lib/apt and and /var/lib/dpkg |
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| 10:08.25 | Wizzup | is it not possible to mount /var/lib/ to the other storage device? |
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| 10:08.47 | SpeedEvil | the cache files can be nuked |
| 10:08.57 | SpeedEvil | I think lib can be moved |
| 10:10.10 | Wizzup | moved, as in mounted to a diff folder with bind? |
| 10:10.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:10.43 | Wizzup | Nokia-N900-02-8 lib # du -sh . |
| 10:10.43 | Wizzup | 52M. |
| 10:10.44 | Wizzup | aha |
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| 10:12.18 | Wizzup | Thanks |
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| 10:13.40 | SpeedEvil | 15m herr |
| 10:13.43 | pupnik | wow linapple is *loud* |
| 10:14.35 | BCMM | somewhat OT: how much should it cost to insure an N900 in the UK? |
| 10:14.43 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: 50 quid/year |
| 10:16.24 | BCMM | buying off the nokia website gives you three months free insurance and an automatic direct debit to start paying 6 a month afterwards if you don't cancell |
| 10:16.34 | BCMM | be warned |
| 10:17.11 | SpeedEvil | It diddn't for me |
| 10:17.11 | BCMM | wonder if they can be pressured into not partnering with mobile phones direct? |
| 10:17.27 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: well did for me... |
| 10:17.50 | BCMM | ordered around easter with t-mobile contract |
| 10:18.24 | Wizzup | reboots phone now and hopes everything goes fine |
| 10:18.47 | BCMM | 50/pa including theft, damage? |
| 10:19.34 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: bought outright |
| 10:19.37 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes |
| 10:19.58 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: what about water damage? |
| 10:20.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cusc.co.uk/phones/faq |
| 10:20.53 | BCMM | also, with which company? looks like i'm ringing to cancel this one and whine about being signed up for it |
| 10:21.22 | BCMM | they gave very good deal with t-mobile |
| 10:21.35 | SpeedEvil | google it. |
| 10:21.47 | BCMM | perhaps they intend to make it up in ripoff insurance |
| 10:21.51 | SpeedEvil | There are a few insurers that will insure already purchased phones. |
| 10:21.54 | Wizzup | SpeedEvil: It seems to hang on boot |
| 10:21.56 | Wizzup | investigates |
| 10:22.14 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile have their own insurance that will cover phones contracted to them. |
| 10:22.18 | SpeedEvil | Wizzup: ? |
| 10:22.22 | BCMM | i think ensleigh can do it as part of house contents |
| 10:22.41 | Wizzup | SpeedEvil: after I added a mount line to /etc/fstab to the /var/lib mount |
| 10:22.42 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: included in contract or extra? |
| 10:22.56 | Corsac | hmhm, did someone try to reduce vm.swappiness? |
| 10:23.35 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: i don't really understand contracts; t-mobile doesn't do n900 or know about it on website |
| 10:23.41 | SpeedEvil | Wizzup: yes - it's easy to screw it up |
| 10:24.01 | BCMM | but mobile phones direct sells t-mobile contracts with an n900... |
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| 10:24.12 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Look round t-mobiles site - see if there is an option to get insurance through them. |
| 10:24.36 | SpeedEvil | Compare the rest of the market too for accidental damage/loss insurance - consder what risks you want insurance for |
| 10:24.38 | Wizzup | SpeedEvil: easy to fix, too? ;) |
| 10:24.55 | jacekowski | carphone warehouse sells N900 with tmbile contract |
| 10:25.01 | SpeedEvil | Wizzup: Well - flash it. |
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| 10:25.06 | frals | hmm hmm |
| 10:25.11 | jacekowski | i don'think they sell it directly |
| 10:25.24 | jacekowski | and it's sold unlocked btw |
| 10:25.28 | SpeedEvil | Wizzup: flashing nukes all installed apps - but not your homedir |
| 10:25.32 | Wizzup | eh, I'd rather not |
| 10:25.36 | frals | is there any qt widget that is like a notification but stays on tophalf of the screen until dismissed? |
| 10:25.37 | Wizzup | will mess around more |
| 10:26.04 | frals | steals a look at w00t_ |
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| 10:26.33 | BCMM | i do wonder wht i actually need |
| 10:26.37 | lcuk | STOP THIEF! |
| 10:26.42 | w00t_ | looks at frals |
| 10:26.42 | BCMM | i only broke a phone once |
| 10:26.55 | BCMM | but i never had one worth stealing before |
| 10:27.19 | frals | trouts lcuk |
| 10:27.25 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Read your home insurance policy - if you ahve one. Some can - or can be upgraded to - cover some aspects of phone problems. |
| 10:27.34 | lcuk | hiya frals w00t_ \o |
| 10:27.36 | BCMM | and it has a camera and so on so will come out of pocket more |
| 10:27.38 | frals | i suspect i would have to do my own widget based on xq11embedcontainer or something |
| 10:27.50 | w00t_ | frals: QMaemo5InformationBox? |
| 10:27.56 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: yeah, ensleigh can |
| 10:28.25 | BCMM | proabably will do expensive phones too cause they'll do laptops |
| 10:28.40 | frals | w00t_: ah, i could try with that i guess! ty |
| 10:28.45 | w00t_ | frals: :) |
| 10:29.03 | frals | but id prefer something like androids pushnotifications or what they call it, but i suspect there is no such widget by default |
| 10:29.15 | w00t_ | I have no idea what it does, never used android |
| 10:29.51 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: I think I was looking at cusc phoneguard. |
| 10:31.04 | frals | w00t_: or rather, something like this on symbian http://dailymobile.se/2009/08/15/truecaller-free-caller-id-application-for-symbian-s60v3-s60v5-and-windows-mobile/ |
| 10:31.30 | frals | (first 5 seconds) |
| 10:31.48 | Corsac | Aard: /win goto #meego |
| 10:31.50 | Corsac | mnhknmhk |
| 10:32.22 | w00t_ | frals: which part of it? |
| 10:32.23 | w00t_ | :p |
| 10:32.38 | frals | the part that shows "searching for ..." and then shows information when it calls |
| 10:32.42 | frals | ie overlays on the call ui |
| 10:32.51 | frals | sorry for not being clear, just woke up! |
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| 10:33.04 | frals | also lcuk stole all my bacon |
| 10:33.11 | w00t_ | I don't think I've seen anything like that |
| 10:33.13 | lcuk | no i didnt |
| 10:33.31 | lcuk | i havent had bacon in about a fortnight now :'( |
| 10:33.39 | w00t_ | mmmm bacon |
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| 10:40.34 | oscillik | this is damn good bacon http://bit.ly/bXbO3o |
| 10:40.43 | oscillik | i'm very picky with bacon |
| 10:41.50 | lcuk | oscillik, http://xkcd.com/737/ |
| 10:42.02 | lcuk | theres another problem with it - theres only 5 rashers there :p |
| 10:44.02 | oscillik | lcuk: heh i remember that one :p and yeah, the bacon doesn't last long. but it's damn good |
| 10:44.20 | Wizzup | SpeedEvil, flashing now. I just find it really weird the / is set up like this - installing a just a few apps very quickly fills it up to 100%, and after that has happened, I can't install more apps and such |
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| 10:47.32 | oscillik | i <3 my minidisc recorder |
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| 10:48.14 | phellarv | Wizzup: Well - All debs should really be optified. |
| 10:48.29 | phellarv | maemo-optify-deb |
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| 10:48.47 | Wizzup | phellarv: Right - but isn't /opt/ mounted on the small device as well? |
| 10:48.55 | phellarv | Wizzup: Nope |
| 10:49.02 | Wizzup | I'll check in a bit |
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| 10:49.54 | phellarv | Wizzup: |
| 10:49.54 | phellarv | Nokia-N900-02-8:/opt# df /opt |
| 10:49.55 | phellarv | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 10:49.55 | phellarv | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1048468 910884 54% /home |
| 10:49.56 | SpeedEvil | opt is on the 2g /home |
| 10:50.01 | phellarv | Hehe |
| 10:50.18 | Wizzup | ok |
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| 10:50.26 | phellarv | Wizzup: /opt is really a symlink |
| 10:50.27 | SpeedEvil | And any applications installable through HAM should be optified with a few K at most on / |
| 10:50.40 | Wizzup | HAM? |
| 10:50.51 | phellarv | Hildon Application Manager |
| 10:50.57 | Wizzup | ok |
| 10:51.11 | Wizzup | well I did use apt-get quite a lot ... :) |
| 10:51.20 | phellarv | Same sources |
| 10:51.33 | omar | there's no way to play mkv files is there? mplayer not working for me |
| 10:51.33 | phellarv | Or - Almost |
| 10:52.21 | phellarv | omar: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40784 |
| 10:53.03 | phellarv | omar: But not all mkv-files. Dunno which is supported or which is not. |
| 10:53.11 | phellarv | *afk* |
| 10:53.16 | omar | i see thanks phellarv |
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| 10:53.24 | pigeon | can you zoom in/out in the default n900 photo viewer? |
| 10:53.40 | thresh | I can |
| 10:53.53 | smoku | pigeon, use the zoom buttons |
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| 10:54.33 | pigeon | smoku: ah, hardware buttons, thank you |
| 10:55.04 | smoku | so obvious that it's impossible to come up with ;-) |
| 10:55.22 | pupnik | where did usleep() go? |
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| 11:00.05 | asj | CONFORMING TO |
| 11:00.07 | asj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.08 | asj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.13 | asj | good to know :) |
| 11:00.33 | pupnik | ty ty |
| 11:01.26 | pupnik | the slower i get, the faster things change |
| 11:02.02 | asj | I didn't know it was deprecated either, interesting to know |
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| 11:03.40 | pupnik | why does it want two params? :) |
| 11:04.04 | asj | read the man page, it's a pita function compared to usleep |
| 11:04.07 | pupnik | http://www.braingames.getput.com/nether/default.asp << for RST38h |
| 11:04.33 | asj | (well not really since it can be null, but there's more caveats) |
| 11:04.55 | asj | lol, read up on clock_nanosleep(2) |
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| 11:06.32 | pupnik | i just want to s/usleep(100)/SOMETHING and move on... |
| 11:07.04 | asj | pupnik: nanosleep isn't that bad |
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| 11:21.21 | pupnik | good grief this is confusing |
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| 11:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 11:27.21 | SpeedEvil | oom |
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| 11:27.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656408&postcount=852 now you got the stick to poke at nokia |
| 11:28.15 | Stskeeps | yeah, i saw |
| 11:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | make them send me a NDA and then the BME source |
| 11:29.01 | SpeedEvil | passes Stskeeps a 3m long branch of hawthorne. |
| 11:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: and a spare N900 ;-P |
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| 11:39.19 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: actually, nanosleep is friendly :) |
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| 11:39.41 | timeless_mbp | it lets you easily handle the case that someone was annoying and woke you early |
| 11:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | sighs over noticing that egoshin's results are basically not really anything beyond what is shown to work in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635293&postcount=685 but then that's just 2 weeks ago |
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| 11:41.22 | Slai | hey |
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| 11:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | and especially in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635357&postcount=687 |
| 11:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | we're still using OTG |
| 11:43.26 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 11:43.57 | SpeedEvil | I think the enumeration reports were new? |
| 11:44.00 | Slai | anyone have a clue as to why the power key menu wont display anything except Phone? dont mean to intrude in the conversation or anything =/ |
| 11:44.19 | SpeedEvil | Slai: sensible questions are always welcome. |
| 11:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hmm, maybe |
| 11:44.26 | timeless_mbp | Slai: eh? |
| 11:44.37 | timeless_mbp | do you mean you really have a menu w/ only one item? |
| 11:44.45 | SpeedEvil | Slai: I'm unsure. That sounds odd. |
| 11:44.45 | timeless_mbp | the menu is controlled by a series of (pluggable) xml files |
| 11:44.48 | Slai | yes |
| 11:44.56 | timeless_mbp | each file provides a set of rules for when to show what |
| 11:45.00 | SpeedEvil | Slai: my first attempt would be to reboot, and see if it fixes it. |
| 11:45.04 | Slai | i edited systemui.xml to display the reboot button |
| 11:45.05 | timeless_mbp | thus there are a couple of obvious reasons for things to go bad :) |
| 11:45.09 | SpeedEvil | Slai: have you installed anything ... |
| 11:45.10 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:45.10 | timeless_mbp | see! |
| 11:45.12 | SpeedEvil | that'll do it |
| 11:45.12 | Slai | which worked fine |
| 11:45.15 | timeless_mbp | you probably broke the xml file :) |
| 11:45.17 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 11:45.21 | Slai | hehe probably |
| 11:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nota bene I had no device connected to enumerate, when http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635357&postcount=687 happened |
| 11:45.37 | Slai | but it doesnt appear borked at all |
| 11:45.38 | SpeedEvil | restore the file from the backup that you made. |
| 11:45.45 | SpeedEvil | See if it fixes it |
| 11:45.53 | Slai | i did, thats when shit hit the fan |
| 11:46.05 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 11:46.09 | Slai | so i took another guys xml file which works for him |
| 11:46.15 | Slai | still nothing changed. |
| 11:46.38 | timeless_mbp | did you reboot? |
| 11:46.48 | timeless_mbp | because the file isn't treated as dynamic |
| 11:46.52 | timeless_mbp | it's read by an app at boot |
| 11:46.53 | Slai | countless times |
| 11:46.56 | Slai | =) |
| 11:46.58 | timeless_mbp | along w/ a bunch of other things |
| 11:47.10 | timeless_mbp | changes the strings that those things use and of course that requires a reboot |
| 11:47.25 | timeless_mbp | personally, if i were tech support i'd say "reflash" |
| 11:47.28 | Slai | yeah, i rebooted after any change made |
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| 11:47.45 | timeless_mbp | what you're doing is for people who know what they're doing :) |
| 11:47.50 | timeless_mbp | if you broke it, ⦠:) |
| 11:48.04 | timeless_mbp | (and yes, i've manually hand edited those files) |
| 11:48.18 | Slai | yeah problem is i dont have any computer, so unless i can reflash from the device itself that wont happen =P |
| 11:48.51 | timeless_mbp | find a friend ;-) |
| 11:48.53 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 11:48.55 | Slai | hehe |
| 11:49.01 | timeless_mbp | make friend |
| 11:49.01 | SpeedEvil | I would really not screw with stuff without a computer. |
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| 11:49.07 | timeless_mbp | find friend |
| 11:49.28 | timeless_mbp | your n900 probably doesn't have make, but it should have find ! :) |
| 11:49.32 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: find: `friend': No such file or directory |
| 11:49.43 | Slai | hehehe |
| 11:49.48 | timeless_mbp | find /a friend |
| 11:50.03 | timeless_mbp | that works on emergency solaris systems where /a is a mount point :) |
| 11:50.05 | Slai | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52499 <- shows the systemui.xml im using |
| 11:50.20 | timeless_mbp | Slai: load the xml file in the browser |
| 11:50.23 | SpeedEvil | I suppose the bootmenu would be a sort-of-solution to many causes of bricking it |
| 11:50.28 | timeless_mbp | if it complains, fix it until the browser stops complaining |
| 11:50.30 | SpeedEvil | well - near bricking |
| 11:51.40 | RST38h | EHLO maemopunks |
| 11:52.25 | Slai | well aint i the sad panda |
| 11:52.32 | timeless_mbp | 421 Please come back in 2040 seconds. |
| 11:53.48 | Wizzup | hm... Why does HAM see less apps than apt-cache? I'd really like git back |
| 11:53.57 | Slai | but the xml file itself looks to be fine, right? |
| 11:54.06 | timeless_mbp | Wizzup: ham shows apps in section: user/* |
| 11:54.14 | timeless_mbp | if your app isn't in user/* then it won't be shown |
| 11:54.19 | timeless_mbp | things like git typically aren't in user/* |
| 11:54.23 | Wizzup | So just install with apt-get then? |
| 11:54.42 | timeless_mbp | Slai: did you try loading your local version in the browser on your device? |
| 11:54.43 | RST38h | yes |
| 11:54.51 | timeless_mbp | Wizzup: . |
| 11:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | laughs at timeless_mbp working in graylist mode now |
| 11:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | lo RST38h |
| 12:00.36 | RST38h | OMG THEY RENAMED THE |
| 12:00.45 | RST38h | MAEMO MAPPER |
| 12:00.47 | SpeedEvil | tries to understand rtmpdump. |
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| 12:01.32 | ajf_ | rename Jophish_n900 joe_h |
| 12:01.32 | ajf_ | save |
| 12:01.59 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: where? |
| 12:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | ajf_: YOU SUCK!! |
| 12:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 12:02.54 | Stskeeps | i vote for a +q as well by now :P |
| 12:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | ajf_: no matter if robot or not, fix your script or accept +q |
| 12:03.27 | Stskeeps | has been going on for quite a while |
| 12:03.47 | Arkenoi | now there are two packages named mapper? |
| 12:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, let's start gentle but noticable |
| 12:04.16 | timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ cairo? |
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| 12:07.40 | E0x | morning |
| 12:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | 'ning |
| 12:08.02 | E0x | usb stick mount in n900 YAY ! |
| 12:08.09 | pupnik | keeps his things happily hidden from user/* :D |
| 12:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | yayaya |
| 12:08.29 | pupnik | yaay for DocScrutinizer |
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| 12:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon shall I take a laptop with me, to connect the N900 to its USB while 'echo host >mode' - to enable mounting a USB stick? |
| 12:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | closely check egoshin's procedure |
| 12:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically useless, and that's because we not yet entered generic hostmode. That's still OTG |
| 12:10.25 | E0x | DocScrutinizer: but they are almost close |
| 12:10.31 | E0x | to a nice solution for host mode |
| 12:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | who's "they"? |
| 12:10.50 | E0x | egoshin , jorge , etc |
| 12:10.54 | Stskeeps | well, otg is a big step :P |
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| 12:11.11 | corecode_ | where is the difference to generic hostmode? |
| 12:11.13 | Stskeeps | is perfectly fine with otg |
| 12:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | E0x: checked my cloak? |
| 12:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: OTG won't work |
| 12:11.28 | E0x | oh |
| 12:11.31 | E0x | :D |
| 12:11.34 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: .. because? |
| 12:11.48 | lbt | needs soldering |
| 12:11.55 | Stskeeps | in device or outside? |
| 12:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | as OTG needs an insane abuse of VBUS for "data transfer" |
| 12:12.07 | Stskeeps | even with powered hub? |
| 12:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:12.19 | Stskeeps | meh, okay :P |
| 12:12.22 | Stskeeps | it's still a plus |
| 12:12.24 | lbt | recalls seeing that in a bug recently |
| 12:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | OTG depends on BOTH devices know how to talk it |
| 12:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | and they use glitches and voltage probing (for sensing capacitor size etc) on VBUS |
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| 12:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I think OTG will never work corretly on N900, even if we ignore the incompatibility of micro-B-receptacle with OTG specs |
| 12:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | disclaimer: this parts of OTG specs are so complex I forgot 4/5 of it and only remember it's insane and useless |
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| 12:15.56 | Pillum | hey, can you watch justin.tv with a n900 ? |
| 12:15.59 | E0x | heh |
| 12:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | baseline: we DO NOT WANT OTG - we want generic hostmode |
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| 12:16.16 | RST38h | wants a pony |
| 12:16.25 | frals | wants colorfax in his n900 |
| 12:16.27 | Stskeeps | but it's still one way to get usb sticks on your n900. |
| 12:16.33 | Stskeeps | or other things |
| 12:16.37 | E0x | or only can generic hostmode |
| 12:16.41 | Pillum | wants a full hd beamer in his n900 |
| 12:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yes, with the help of a PC nearby |
| 12:16.47 | Stskeeps | i mean, we did OTG in the n810 |
| 12:16.51 | satmd | waves at sts |
| 12:17.04 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: why needing a pc, fwiw? |
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| 12:17.14 | corecode_ | i'd like serial port via usb |
| 12:17.22 | corecode_ | so that i can read my dive computer |
| 12:17.27 | Pillum | hey, can you watch justin.tv with a n900 ? |
| 12:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: check egoshin's detailed procedure description |
| 12:17.30 | corecode_ | without having to bring a laptop |
| 12:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: he connects USB to PC, then does a few 'magic incantations', then swaps USB to his device to attach |
| 12:18.48 | E0x | corecode_: that would be very nice ( serial port connection via usb ) |
| 12:19.01 | corecode_ | E0x: well, i have a serial usb data cable |
| 12:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: AIUI he forces N900 OTG state machine into a pathologic state |
| 12:19.12 | corecode_ | E0x: so usb would be good |
| 12:19.12 | E0x | i mean in the n900 |
| 12:19.42 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, still cool and a step on the way |
| 12:19.43 | corecode_ | if you can bitbang the lines of the usb or headphone out? |
| 12:19.45 | corecode_ | hmmmm |
| 12:19.50 | pupnik | -Os Pure CPU MHz:9.9 -O3 +pupnikflags Pure CPU MHz:15.1 |
| 12:20.04 | corecode_ | HMMM |
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| 12:20.11 | corecode_ | that would be interesting |
| 12:20.21 | corecode_ | bitbang on the headphone out |
| 12:20.29 | BCMM | is there a technical reason that one couldn't construct a device which appears as a USB host on both sides, as it were? |
| 12:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: don't worry, it will come in a few weeks |
| 12:20.39 | BCMM | i'm sure the driver would be pretty weird and wonderful |
| 12:20.42 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: host mode? |
| 12:20.47 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: or headphone bitbang |
| 12:20.50 | BCMM | and performance would probably not be nice |
| 12:20.55 | BCMM | but is there a reason it's not possible? |
| 12:21.00 | RST38h | yes |
| 12:21.01 | BCMM | (and it would need it's own power source) |
| 12:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: btw bitbanging on headphone out isn't rhat weird an idea - I like it |
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| 12:21.12 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: i know |
| 12:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: hostmode will come |
| 12:21.25 | Slai | loaded the systemui.xml into browser and it yells at me |
| 12:21.28 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: yea, good job everybody involved |
| 12:21.35 | corecode_ | the headphone out can do video, no? |
| 12:21.50 | corecode_ | or where does the video out get connected |
| 12:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | yep, as well |
| 12:21.53 | Slai | yeah, its av out |
| 12:22.14 | corecode_ | oh serial bitbang, now i like it even more |
| 12:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 12:22.49 | corecode_ | headphone bitbang |
| 12:22.54 | corecode_ | boink boink |
| 12:23.50 | Slai | xml parsing error: not well formed. -<powerkeymenu path "/"> |
| 12:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: the headphones amp is a D-type without decoupling capacitors or any form of DC suppression (which gave Nokia decent headache with fried speakers btw ;-P), so you actually could 'bitbang' to AV-jack via audio device |
| 12:24.35 | Slai | any ideas whats up? |
| 12:25.05 | corecode_ | heh, just audio bitbang |
| 12:25.08 | corecode_ | even easier |
| 12:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | ooh wait, seems I'm mixing headset jack and nternal speakers |
| 12:25.14 | corecode_ | and quite insane |
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| 12:25.28 | corecode_ | are there rx51 schematics around? |
| 12:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, coffee didn't kick in yet |
| 12:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | (schem) check wiki |
| 12:25.55 | corecode_ | nm, you could also just rectify the output |
| 12:25.59 | RST38h | changing the name has not made maemo mapper any faster =( |
| 12:26.08 | corecode_ | input, dunno |
| 12:26.23 | Slai | god damn systemui.xml... |
| 12:26.36 | Corsac | hmhmh |
| 12:26.41 | Corsac | âcellular network not availableâ |
| 12:26.44 | Corsac | that's not good |
| 12:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | serial input via hold-button (short mic ring of AV to GND) should work without any problems |
| 12:27.11 | BCMM | RST38h: maemo mapper isn't maep, is it? |
| 12:27.21 | Corsac | nop |
| 12:27.32 | Corsac | there are maep/mapper/mappero which are 3 different apps |
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| 12:27.49 | corecode_ | the genious is that you don't need to do the timing yourself |
| 12:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: yes, and of course a rectified 20KHz would suffice nicely for 300Bd |
| 12:27.59 | corecode_ | but the audio card does it for you |
| 12:28.03 | smoku | Slai, path="/" maybe? |
| 12:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | or even 2400 |
| 12:28.10 | BCMM | Corsac: what does it do that maep doesn't? |
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| 12:28.28 | smoku | Slai, XML disallows valueless attributes |
| 12:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: (timing) yep, exactly |
| 12:29.00 | Slai | smoku i have no idea what that means =P |
| 12:29.09 | Corsac | BCMM: maep is pretty basic |
| 12:29.17 | BCMM | yeah |
| 12:29.17 | Corsac | just display map and that's all |
| 12:29.20 | Corsac | and tracking, though |
| 12:29.26 | BCMM | Corsac: yeah, there is tracking |
| 12:29.31 | Corsac | mapper/mappero are more complete, with routing and stuff like that |
| 12:29.33 | Corsac | heavier too |
| 12:29.36 | Slai | what should i put in there instead? problem is the powerkey menu only shows Phone =s |
| 12:29.38 | smoku | Slai, put = in place of space :P |
| 12:29.54 | BCMM | Corsac: and getting to compare openstreetmap with aerial photos is pretty useful |
| 12:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: btw I did similar thing several times, e.g. on ZX81 |
| 12:30.16 | BCMM | Corsac: is there a fairly simple map program that you can persistently or temporarily mark points on? |
| 12:30.23 | BCMM | Corsac: (like adding markers to google earth) |
| 12:30.34 | Slai | between what, so its powerkey=path="/" ? |
| 12:30.47 | smoku | <powerkeymenu path="/"> |
| 12:30.53 | Corsac | I don't think so, but it sure would be a nice addition to maep |
| 12:30.59 | Slai | thats what it says =s |
| 12:31.05 | Corsac | (mapper/mappero can do it afair but they're heavier too) |
| 12:31.19 | smoku | [14:23:51] Slai: xml parsing error: not well formed. -<powerkeymenu path "/"> |
| 12:31.25 | smoku | where? :> |
| 12:31.30 | Slai | ah my bad |
| 12:31.52 | Slai | mistype on my end, theres an = between path and "/" |
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| 12:33.02 | Slai | trying to fix your device while only having your device to do so with is... a challenge. especially when you havent got the faintest idea how =P |
| 12:34.20 | timeless_mbp | Slai: so was browser helpful? |
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| 12:35.10 | Slai | hey timeless |
| 12:35.28 | Slai | xml parsing error: not well formed. -<powerkeymenu path="/"> |
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| 12:36.00 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: so the L and R channels are connected to gnd via a capacitor |
| 12:36.02 | timeless_mbp | is there actually a - before <powerkeymenu ? |
| 12:36.10 | Slai | hm yeah |
| 12:36.16 | timeless_mbp | in the file? |
| 12:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: hmm |
| 12:36.27 | Slai | yes =/ |
| 12:36.46 | corecode_ | mk too |
| 12:36.48 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: do you use the ovi.com services? |
| 12:36.51 | corecode_ | multiple |
| 12:37.00 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: ovi has services? |
| 12:37.01 | corecode_ | and are out only |
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| 12:37.05 | corecode_ | fair enough |
| 12:37.17 | tybollt | sigh... |
| 12:37.18 | corecode_ | mk can be switched to be outgoing |
| 12:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: please do not disturb - looking into hostmode atm. Unless you have a precise question I may answer to you |
| 12:37.29 | Slai | timeless, i assume from your outrage that there shouldnt be? |
| 12:37.30 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: why? |
| 12:37.42 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: nevermind then, you go make hostmode work :) |
| 12:37.46 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: it is confusing :) |
| 12:37.51 | timeless_mbp | Slai: that was a calm and polite question :) |
| 12:37.57 | timeless_mbp | you'll know when i'm angry |
| 12:38.02 | timeless_mbp | but yes |
| 12:38.07 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: you usually know things like that so I figured what the hell I'll ask :) |
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| 12:38.27 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: oh, ask anyway |
| 12:38.31 | Slai | hehe ill remove that from all < then? |
| 12:38.40 | timeless_mbp | but i prefer to believe that ovi.com doesn't exist and doesn't have any services |
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| 12:39.24 | timeless_mbp | Slai: err |
| 12:39.25 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 12:39.29 | timeless_mbp | wants to see a movie |
| 12:39.30 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: ovi calendar and then there's ovi calendar beta (the latter is free for anyone, no NDA BS). Supposedly there's a way to use the calendar from ovi calendar in ovi calendar beta, but I don't know how. |
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| 12:39.38 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: s/see/watch/ |
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| 12:39.57 | tybollt | \\o o// \o/ |
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| 12:40.34 | timeless_mbp | no clue |
| 12:40.37 | timeless_mbp | ask sp3000 |
| 12:40.48 | timeless_mbp | for unknown reasons he seems willing to look at ovi services |
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| 12:41.54 | Slai | allright, ill assume its all aboot the - |
| 12:42.16 | Slai | it had them in the file i copied, ill get rid of them all and see if that helps |
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| 12:42.37 | timeless_mbp | Slai: you want the browser to be happy about the file |
| 12:42.44 | timeless_mbp | until the browser likes it, there's no point in rebooting |
| 12:42.53 | sp3000 | well, I document bugs in ovi services in ovi share occasionally ;) |
| 12:42.54 | timeless_mbp | the browser is your friend :) |
| 12:43.12 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, i'm going to a thing at 6pm :( |
| 12:43.12 | Slai | cool, appreciate the help, you patient demigod of rainbows and kittens you |
| 12:43.23 | tybollt | the browser source is not timeless_mbp friend ;P |
| 12:43.46 | timeless_mbp | which means i can either watch something lame early (date night / from paris with love) |
| 12:43.50 | timeless_mbp | or try for something late |
| 12:43.53 | timeless_mbp | (9pm?) |
| 12:43.55 | timeless_mbp | :( |
| 12:44.03 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: hdmt.net? |
| 12:44.48 | timeless_mbp | how does one get 'points'? |
| 12:44.48 | Slai | ahahaha yeah now it has no problems with it |
| 12:44.59 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: there are free movies |
| 12:45.00 | Slai | or so it seems... hm... reboot time. |
| 12:45.18 | tybollt | timeless_mbp: right most tab 'free videos' |
| 12:46.48 | RST38h | killed Maemo Mapper. It took time. 40+ seconds of time. And the could not even get locked/unlocked during that time. |
| 12:46.56 | timeless_mbp | wonders if that's bugmenot compatible |
| 12:47.07 | RST38h | Whatever that sucker does, cannot be healthy |
| 12:47.23 | RST38h | s/the/the device |
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| 12:48.19 | AstralStorm | hello |
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| 12:48.29 | Slai | ahaha thanks for the help. |
| 12:48.32 | AstralStorm | any chance of making my n810 usable? |
| 12:48.43 | AstralStorm | (no, don't tell me "buy an n900") |
| 12:48.49 | Slai | its up perfect now, it was all aboot that single - |
| 12:49.09 | AstralStorm | see, the old Diablo is crashing every now and then |
| 12:49.25 | timeless_mbp | Slai: see, the browser is your friend :) |
| 12:49.30 | AstralStorm | by watchdog |
| 12:49.34 | AstralStorm | esp. on high cpu usage |
| 12:49.38 | Slai | timeless is my friend |
| 12:49.51 | AstralStorm | so, any ideas? |
| 12:49.53 | Slai | thanks a bunch, been bothering me for days |
| 12:50.03 | AstralStorm | switching to a better distro is of course nice |
| 12:50.06 | Slai | and thanks for the browser tip |
| 12:50.11 | alterego | Looks like there will be a real "production"-like image for the N900 of meego, very cool. |
| 12:50.29 | AstralStorm | I know n810 is previous gen hardware |
| 12:51.02 | timeless_mbp | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/red_sky_liability_ruling/ |
| 12:51.16 | AstralStorm | so? |
| 12:51.22 | AstralStorm | any help there? |
| 12:51.40 | smoku | AstralStorm, have you tried raising watchdok kicker process priority? |
| 12:51.43 | Slai | and now i feel like i should go about breaking another part of my phone by doing something silly... |
| 12:51.50 | Stskeeps | alterego: if you mean my mail, it doesn't mean a nokia 'product' |
| 12:52.29 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: potentially awesome - but. |
| 12:52.31 | alterego | Stskeeps: agreed, but it does sound like they're working hard to make something that is end-user ready at least? |
| 12:52.48 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: I think the only precedent it might set is for software that is demonstrated by a salesperson. |
| 12:52.56 | alterego | Stskeeps: even if it isn't an "official" upgrade path for end-users. |
| 12:53.03 | Stskeeps | a proper hardware adaptation, the UX+Core is up to rest of project |
| 12:53.08 | SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: Which is valuable - but not that relevant for most endusers |
| 12:53.56 | AstralStorm | smoku: hmmm, isn't it RT already? |
| 12:54.03 | AstralStorm | if not, then I'll try it |
| 12:54.09 | AstralStorm | where do I put that in the init script? |
| 12:54.26 | AstralStorm | the renice |
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| 12:54.46 | AstralStorm | still, it'd be nicer if it didn't swap so hard that watchdog dies |
| 12:54.58 | AstralStorm | it usually crashes that way on boot |
| 12:55.00 | AstralStorm | hmmph |
| 12:55.23 | lcuk | well Stskeeps if the apps ontop of the core are not viable the meego project has failed. its meant to allow that sort of thing? |
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| 12:55.38 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i don't know the future |
| 12:56.04 | SpeedEvil | does. But he has signed a NDA from Chronos. |
| 12:56.19 | lcuk | me neither but when i get round to writing apps the promise of running on multiple targets would be a goal |
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| 12:57.20 | tybollt | ok so this opera mobile now comming |
| 12:57.55 | tybollt | is that one of those silly things that talks to a proxy at opera etc? or is it opera made for a smaller screen? |
| 12:58.21 | lcuk | tybollt, its proper full opera browser, the turbo mode (proxy version) is available but thats not the same |
| 12:58.27 | lcuk | opera used to be on the original NITs |
| 12:58.53 | tybollt | olrite |
| 12:59.10 | tybollt | the 'mobile' part of opera mobile makes me suspicious :) |
| 12:59.35 | tybollt | since for all intents and purposes I use microb and firefuck as I would on a real PC on my device |
| 13:00.04 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: you know what chip the stereo audio codec (N4040) is? |
| 13:00.19 | corecode_ | can't quite read the label on http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_12.jpeg |
| 13:00.42 | SpeedEvil | corecode_: it's documented in the kernel |
| 13:00.46 | SpeedEvil | aic320? |
| 13:00.49 | SpeedEvil | forgets |
| 13:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: lemme check my notes I took |
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| 13:01.05 | corecode_ | also check n4070 if possible |
| 13:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | you got the coords? |
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| 13:01.30 | corecode_ | W2 and R3 |
| 13:01.36 | corecode_ | both back, sim side |
| 13:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 13:01.39 | corecode_ | thx |
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| 13:02.20 | smoku | AstralStorm, I don't know. It's just a thought. I've never touch N810 ;-) |
| 13:02.38 | AstralStorm | still, a good suggestion once it exits the watchdog reboot loop |
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| 13:03.09 | smoku | AstralStorm, IIRC there are also some proc/sys tweaks that controll swapping |
| 13:03.25 | AstralStorm | hmm |
| 13:03.30 | AstralStorm | shouldn't swap *at boot* |
| 13:03.33 | AstralStorm | esp. with swap disabled |
| 13:03.37 | AstralStorm | but yeah, I'll try those |
| 13:03.51 | RST38h | Heya AstralStorm BTW |
| 13:03.52 | AstralStorm | what I have problem with is where to put the tweaks, so they're applied on boot |
| 13:03.55 | AstralStorm | hi |
| 13:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: W2: TI97A065I (with blurr mask TI97A????) |
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| 13:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: R3??? that's a huge chip |
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| 13:05.59 | AstralStorm | so, any chance I can salvage my n810 |
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| 13:06.07 | AstralStorm | maybe build a fresh distro for it |
| 13:06.08 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: yea |
| 13:06.17 | Stskeeps | reinstall diablo, imho |
| 13:06.20 | AstralStorm | haha |
| 13:06.21 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: that's the stereo codec |
| 13:06.31 | AstralStorm | you wish, it's not the first diablo reinstall I've done |
| 13:06.36 | AstralStorm | it tends to explode quickly |
| 13:06.44 | corecode_ | mic in has some opamp circuit |
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| 13:06.49 | corecode_ | but i don't know opamps enough |
| 13:06.55 | AstralStorm | prolly not |
| 13:07.06 | AstralStorm | probably a single transistor amp - it's cheaper |
| 13:07.13 | AstralStorm | (and sucky) |
| 13:07.26 | SpeedEvil | transistors are no longer cheaper |
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| 13:07.38 | AstralStorm | still are than opamps |
| 13:07.39 | SpeedEvil | if you have to place them on the board in addition to a chip with the function in |
| 13:07.42 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 13:07.48 | AstralStorm | (which are tens to hundreds of transistors) |
| 13:07.52 | AstralStorm | it's an IC |
| 13:08.01 | AstralStorm | that amp is integrated |
| 13:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: from /home/jr/Documents/N900/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg N4040 is Texas Instruments TAIC341 |
| 13:08.07 | AstralStorm | so a single transistor is still cheaper |
| 13:08.12 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
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| 13:08.39 | SpeedEvil | For a low price IC, a large fraction of the price is in the package and pin connections. |
| 13:08.44 | AstralStorm | yup |
| 13:08.50 | SpeedEvil | Adding functionality is moderately cheap. |
| 13:08.53 | AstralStorm | still cheaper to cut the opamp |
| 13:09.02 | AstralStorm | and put a cheap transistor ;p |
| 13:09.17 | AstralStorm | connection count stays the same or lower |
| 13:09.21 | SpeedEvil | If an opamp costs .1mm^2, and a transistor .001mm^2 - the difference may not be functionally measurable |
| 13:09.39 | AstralStorm | the power usage might be |
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| 13:10.39 | AstralStorm | gah. |
| 13:10.44 | AstralStorm | how much is n900 these days? |
| 13:10.58 | Stskeeps | in .pl? think 2000 zt or something |
| 13:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: or TA1C341 |
| 13:11.15 | AstralStorm | I'd prefer the US keyboard though |
| 13:11.40 | AstralStorm | possible to get here? |
| 13:12.18 | corecode_ | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 13:12.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 13:12.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | anytime mate |
| 13:12.35 | corecode_ | what's that local path? |
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| 13:12.43 | corecode_ | you have some other pictures? |
| 13:12.57 | AstralStorm | reverse engineering N900, are you? |
| 13:13.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah just my original local copy |
| 13:13.08 | corecode_ | also the opamp is covered by shielding |
| 13:13.12 | AstralStorm | good |
| 13:13.21 | Corsac | hmhm, nice, n900 BT tethering to n810 |
| 13:13.26 | corecode_ | but i'll pester somebody else for understanding opamp circuits |
| 13:13.34 | Stskeeps | AstralStorm: i think the polish keyboard should be fairly close to us one |
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| 13:14.07 | AstralStorm | except the arrows |
| 13:14.16 | AstralStorm | and the function key |
| 13:14.20 | corecode_ | looks like a follower |
| 13:14.31 | Stskeeps | AstralStorm: hmm? really? |
| 13:15.14 | corecode_ | putting .6v on it? |
| 13:15.16 | corecode_ | hmm |
| 13:15.22 | AstralStorm | what's the watchdog process called like on n810 diablo? |
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| 13:16.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | corecode_: (opamp) out=(in+ - in-) * 100.000 |
| 13:16.15 | corecode_ | yea |
| 13:16.30 | corecode_ | there is a voltage divider on in-, with 0.6V |
| 13:16.42 | corecode_ | and a resistor from out to in+ |
| 13:16.51 | corecode_ | that is the same as the resistor if in- to gnd |
| 13:17.05 | smoku | Stskeeps, it's very close. 100% same :) |
| 13:17.10 | corecode_ | so in idle, mic should be at 0.6V as well |
| 13:17.25 | corecode_ | i think |
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| 13:18.12 | Stskeeps | smoku: btw, i'm also warsaw based so if you're up for a beer sometime :) |
| 13:18.13 | AstralStorm | dammit quick people, I'm in a hurry |
| 13:18.34 | AstralStorm | which daemon takes care of watchdog prodding in diablo |
| 13:18.40 | Stskeeps | AstralStorm: dsme |
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| 13:18.44 | AstralStorm | k |
| 13:19.00 | phellarv | AstralStorm: k == thanks? |
| 13:19.07 | GAN900 | Man, MicroB REALLY wants focus on the URL bar. . . . |
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| 13:19.29 | AstralStorm | phellarv: no, ok |
| 13:19.34 | AstralStorm | I'll thank if it works |
| 13:19.37 | AstralStorm | reniced it -19 |
| 13:19.38 | lcuk | phellarv, "k" == "ok" == "okay" |
| 13:19.48 | AstralStorm | but I don't have schedtoold there to set it realtime |
| 13:19.51 | AstralStorm | or fifo |
| 13:20.39 | phellarv | lcuk: Hehe - I knew that - Just thought that a simple thanks could be nice. |
| 13:21.09 | lcuk | he might not have wanted to thank you |
| 13:21.26 | AstralStorm | I'd thank Stskeeps |
| 13:21.31 | AstralStorm | still, have to fly |
| 13:21.34 | smoku | Stskeeps, surely :D |
| 13:21.37 | AstralStorm | hope this renicing holds |
| 13:21.44 | phellarv | Ofc - Wasn't me he owed a thanks |
| 13:21.44 | AstralStorm | I'll thank you later ;> |
| 13:22.06 | AstralStorm | any easy way to set scheduling class on n810? |
| 13:22.12 | AstralStorm | like, schedtool package |
| 13:22.52 | smoku | lcuk, more like: k == /Ëkeɪ/ == okay |
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| 13:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | corecode which partlabel? |
| 13:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | N??? |
| 13:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | and page? |
| 13:26.32 | AstralStorm | weird |
| 13:26.38 | AstralStorm | nicing dsme helped performance |
| 13:26.41 | AstralStorm | a lot |
| 13:26.51 | AstralStorm | Stskeeps: thanks :) |
| 13:26.55 | AstralStorm | and bye |
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| 13:27.23 | AstralStorm | msg me where to add that nice call |
| 13:27.36 | Stskeeps | smoku: happen to be knowing other n900/n8x0 users in warsaw? |
| 13:28.07 | AstralStorm | Stskeeps: say, myself |
| 13:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: N4007 N4008? |
| 13:28.13 | AstralStorm | arachnist is there too |
| 13:28.17 | arachnist | ? |
| 13:28.23 | arachnist | Stskeeps: /me |
| 13:28.40 | Stskeeps | i guess it could be cool to organise some sort of meetup - even though i don't speak much polish :P |
| 13:28.50 | AstralStorm | heh |
| 13:29.42 | AstralStorm | we'll talk about that later |
| 13:29.47 | AstralStorm | runs |
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| 13:29.52 | smoku | Stskeeps, there are 3 in my office :) |
| 13:30.26 | smoku | one of them ported htop |
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| 13:30.42 | Omegamoon | anyone know if there is a workaround for the 256mb memory limit on qemu arm (versatilepb)? |
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| 13:31.08 | raster | swap |
| 13:31.10 | raster | :) |
| 13:31.44 | raster | (swap could be a devicefile on a ramdisk on the host... :)) |
| 13:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: both are comparators (aka Schmidt triggers), N4007 at 2V5 * (6.8 / (22 + 6.8)) hyteresis +- 1/22 |
| 13:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | moos at raster |
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| 13:33.19 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: what's this re: ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10110 |
| 13:33.20 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 13:33.21 | povbot | Bug 10110: Wired headset button does not trigger D-BUS event |
| 13:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: for N4008 the math is 2V5 * (22 / (22 + 6.8)) hysteresis +- 0.47/22 |
| 13:34.01 | raster | DocScrutinizer: doook |
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| 13:35.56 | pigeon | raster: ahha! |
| 13:36.00 | Omegamoon | raster: hmm, I tried swap, but I prefer more internal memory ;-) |
| 13:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's a stupid nobrainer. You need micbias to detect the holdbutton. Thought I commented on that one |
| 13:36.22 | raster | pigeon: prrrrprrrr |
| 13:36.30 | crashanddie | corecode_: he's just showing off |
| 13:36.35 | raster | Omegamoon: you asked for a workaround :) |
| 13:37.05 | hrw-uds | Omegamoon: make hdimage in tmpfs and use swap on it? |
| 13:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10110#c4 |
| 13:37.11 | povbot | Bug 10110: Wired headset button does not trigger D-BUS event |
| 13:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | 100% ack |
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| 13:37.54 | SpeedEvil | You commented in IRC at some point - I don't think... |
| 13:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe yes |
| 13:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | or on tmo |
| 13:38.31 | hrw-uds | Omegamoon: versatilepb is done in such way that it cant take more ram then 256MB |
| 13:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, a nobrainer |
| 13:38.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 13:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | INVALID |
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| 13:40.35 | SpeedEvil | how? |
| 13:41.04 | SpeedEvil | Polling the hold button with MICBIAS high automagically isn't clearly the wrong thing to do |
| 13:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just reading #c5 |
| 13:42.08 | satmd | but perhaps not the most efficient thing |
| 13:42.18 | Omegamoon | hrw-uds: 512mb on versatiliepb should be possible according to http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02088.html |
| 13:42.18 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 13:42.29 | SpeedEvil | satmd: I'm measuring the micbias current ATM |
| 13:42.34 | SpeedEvil | well - if I can find my phones |
| 13:42.37 | satmd | oh |
| 13:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | the micbias is a) only useful as long as headset is attached. b) spec says it's 2.5V source-Z 2k, do the math by yourself |
| 13:43.21 | SpeedEvil | yes - but what else is alive typically when you do that normally |
| 13:43.23 | raster | wonders why people who work professionally as software enigneers.. havent heard of "diff" |
| 13:43.31 | SpeedEvil | and measuring this is moderately easy |
| 13:44.19 | ShadowJK | raster: or how mail administrators have the worst mailing list netiquette |
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| 13:44.43 | hrw-uds | Omegamoon: lool made ugly patch to get this |
| 13:44.58 | lool | Hmm? |
| 13:45.01 | Pekuja_ | are there repositories that I need to manually add to my apt sources.list after installing the SDK? I'm trying to install the OpenGL ES libraries, but it seems like they're not in the repos I have set up |
| 13:45.16 | Omegamoon | lool: did you? ;-) |
| 13:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: see http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf p10 LC-0070 |
| 13:45.35 | hrw-uds | lool: you here too? I will be scaried too much to open fridge... |
| 13:45.48 | hrw-uds | lool: extra 256MB ram for versatilepb qemu |
| 13:46.07 | MohammadAG_ | hmm, is writing to RAM possible? |
| 13:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (what else...) mompls, will have a glance at schem |
| 13:46.17 | Pekuja_ | or did I do the installation wrong? |
| 13:46.46 | raster | ShadowJK: thank god i dont need to deal with them often.. but i need to talkl with these engineers who dont know what diff is.... :) |
| 13:47.06 | raster | aaaaargh |
| 13:47.21 | raster | and now they fuck with text encoding too |
| 13:47.34 | raster | oh and hooray.. can't format code properly |
| 13:47.39 | MohammadAG_ | was thinking of something like hibernating the N900 |
| 13:47.41 | raster | (i.e. follow the existiing formatting) |
| 13:47.44 | raster | grtrrrrr |
| 13:48.04 | ShadowJK | bonus points for changing cr/lf for entire file and then comitting it along with some other minor/major changes |
| 13:48.20 | lool | Omegamoon: Yeah, so I got it working by moving to 2g/2g IIRC |
| 13:48.25 | raster | thank god they dont get to commit |
| 13:48.27 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: you are on meego-dev btw? mailing list |
| 13:48.29 | lool | and moving phys offset around in qemu and in the kernel |
| 13:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: afraid I'm not (yet) |
| 13:48.48 | RST38h | ShadowJK: You want bonus points, use TABs |
| 13:48.49 | Omegamoon | lool: I tried your patches, but couldn't get them to work. What qemu release did you used the patches on? |
| 13:49.04 | lool | Omegamoon: I used them against the Ubuntu package |
| 13:49.08 | RST38h | ShadowJK: And people with heavy, pointed bonus points will surely track you down |
| 13:49.11 | lool | Omegamoon: Which patch broke it for you? |
| 13:49.35 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: think there's a good moment to start constructively to talk about how to deal with BME / open source it |
| 13:49.44 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: / make open source replacement |
| 13:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: k, you could CC me anyway |
| 13:50.06 | lool | Omegamoon: So basically, the PHYS OFFSET change need to be applied in lock step in the kernel and qemu |
| 13:50.22 | lool | Omegamoon: I suspect we'll eventually move to beagle instead |
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| 13:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ...until I manage to register to meego-devel |
| 13:50.30 | lool | but versatile is more convenient to boot |
| 13:50.41 | Omegamoon | lool: I tried qemu-git with the tip.patch |
| 13:50.48 | lool | tip.patch? |
| 13:50.55 | lool | That doesn't sound like something I'd share |
| 13:51.00 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002218.html |
| 13:51.21 | lool | Omegamoon: What happens exactly? |
| 13:51.30 | Omegamoon | lool: it's in here http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/qemu-patches/ |
| 13:51.43 | Omegamoon | I guess it's yours ;-) |
| 13:51.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: or at least baby steps, presenting your work and such and where you see things are safe |
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| 13:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: damn, that's a weird construction around N4022 & N4007 / N4008. Anyway there's no additional consumer that's obviously switched by micbias |
| 13:53.01 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: forking the thread would probably be useful, prefix with N900 |
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| 13:54.14 | Omegamoon | lool: so I should use the 0.10.x.patch on the qemu-ubuntu version then? |
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| 13:55.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I'm trying to measure it - to see what the actual existing software does - rather than what might be done |
| 13:55.06 | corecode_ | sorry, was cleaning |
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| 13:55.51 | ShadowJK | wonders if maemo5 runs without bme (after disabling dsme watchdog over bme) |
| 13:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway N4007 / N4008 are IRQ generating Schmitt triggers |
| 13:55.57 | SpeedEvil | Though I'm somewhat confused why after flashing, my n900 is using 10mA more than before under idle. |
| 13:56.15 | SpeedEvil | must have installed something that's woken some peripheral up. |
| 13:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: darn, that's a unbearable pita to read those non-wrapping HTML-posts |
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| 13:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: anyway consider me on board, and feel free to fork the thread (and cc me joerg at openmoko.org) about (jr)bme |
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| 13:57.41 | SpeedEvil | What thread is this? |
| 13:57.46 | frals | DocScrutinizer: fwiw theres a bug about the non-wrapping at lists.meego.com so hopefully its getting fixed ;) |
| 13:57.48 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm missing the right insight in the whole nettiquette on that ML yet |
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| 13:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ...so an answer of me directly to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002218.html would sound a little odd for sure ATM, as I'm not aware of all the context |
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| 13:59.32 | Stskeeps | well, or wait until it's being looked closer into in jun :P |
| 13:59.33 | Stskeeps | e |
| 14:02.08 | Omegamoon | lool: can you give me a link to the working qemu patch then? |
| 14:03.22 | corecode_ | so the microphone input is buffered with 33nF |
| 14:06.36 | pupnik | never saw that [Changing host] before |
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| 14:12.03 | t-tan | where can I find info about dmsetool? |
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| 14:12.33 | MohammadAG_ | man dsmetool? nvm, no manuals |
| 14:12.45 | MohammadAG_ | slaps crashanddie for coming back |
| 14:12.53 | MohammadAG_ | the party was just about to start :( |
| 14:13.00 | crashanddie | it's such a pain that there is no manuals on the NITs |
| 14:13.19 | t-tan | it's not a feature. it's a bug... |
| 14:13.35 | MohammadAG_ | NITs? |
| 14:13.41 | crashanddie | Nokia Internet Tablets |
| 14:14.07 | crashanddie | It's what we called the family of 770, n800, n810 before the arrival of the n900 |
| 14:14.44 | MohammadAG_ | oh, there's a man-db package *shameless advertising* |
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| 14:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: nevermind a 33nF |
| 14:15.26 | t-tan | MohammadAG: does it restore deleted manpages? |
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| 14:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: aah you meant "is DC-decoupled" |
| 14:16.01 | corecode_ | yes |
| 14:16.03 | corecode_ | my bad |
| 14:16.14 | MohammadAG_ | t-tan, docpurge purges /usr/share/man, I moved the dir to /opt/man |
| 14:16.16 | corecode_ | likewise, the headphone out is 1uF decoupled |
| 14:16.19 | MohammadAG_ | so what was lost was lost |
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| 14:16.49 | MohammadAG_ | t-tan, it's not a symlink btw, that would get them purged too |
| 14:16.55 | corecode_ | a mandb package? |
| 14:16.55 | corecode_ | yey |
| 14:17.02 | MohammadAG_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52425 |
| 14:17.04 | corecode_ | finally |
| 14:17.08 | t-tan | MohammadAG_: that's what I expected |
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| 14:17.27 | MohammadAG_ | t-tan, if only we can get all packages rebuilt to install to /opt/man :) |
| 14:17.42 | MohammadAG_ | t-tan, btw I've uploaded a 14MB pages deb file, it contains the basic Ubuntu man pages |
| 14:17.47 | t-tan | would not killing dsme lead to a reboot or is bme responsible for the watchdogs? |
| 14:18.00 | t-tan | MohammadAG_: ok, thanks. |
| 14:18.21 | ShadowJK | dsme reboots when bme doesn't exist/respond |
| 14:18.21 | MohammadAG_ | t-tan, stop bme stops it |
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| 14:18.32 | MohammadAG_ | and no reboots should occur |
| 14:19.05 | t-tan | cause I want to disable dsme and not start it during boot |
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| 14:20.00 | t-tan | oh, wait dsme source is avaiable :) |
| 14:20.13 | Stskeeps | .. why would you want to do that |
| 14:20.31 | ShadowJK | dsme is used to start everything else |
| 14:20.39 | alterego | I quite like Kernel hacking .. |
| 14:20.45 | ShadowJK | remove dsme and you kill everything :) |
| 14:20.52 | t-tan | it reboots a kernel that has only USB host, w/o OTG |
| 14:20.53 | MohammadAG_ | something I missed on Symbian |
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| 14:21.26 | t-tan | there is a dummy bme included in the sources... |
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| 14:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | corecode_: yep, the amp inputs are decoupled by 1u. Doesn't help much unless you know amp input Z |
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| 14:22.14 | ShadowJK | t-tan, i think it's outdated.. |
| 14:22.52 | t-tan | it's the same version as on LR1.2 |
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| 14:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: I think the BME bootloop is caused by upstart initscripts calling bme -r, or maybe by some side effects via hal etc |
| 14:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: probably purging DSME won't help |
| 14:24.23 | t-tan | no: boot log says: reboot requested by dmsetool |
| 14:24.49 | corecode_ | too bad i don't have a 3 pole connector |
| 14:25.00 | corecode_ | or i'd look at the scope |
| 14:25.09 | corecode_ | also too bad i don't have a digital storage scope |
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| 14:25.16 | corecode_ | and there i go buy one |
| 14:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: [2010-05-13 00:41:14] <DocScrutinizer> PP:hald-runer PID:821 hald-addon-usb-cable: listening on /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode |
| 14:25.47 | MohammadAG_ | why ../? |
| 14:25.59 | MohammadAG_ | isn't that the same as /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 14:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask ME |
| 14:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | prolly yes |
| 14:26.30 | MohammadAG_ | yeah lol |
| 14:26.30 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode |
| 14:26.31 | MohammadAG_ | b_idle |
| 14:26.31 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode |
| 14:26.31 | MohammadAG_ | b_idle |
| 14:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | sure, you bet I did this ~2010-05-13 00:20 |
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| 14:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 14:27.50 | t-tan | if you want to play with a USBhost-only kernel: http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/testing3/ |
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| 14:28.02 | t-tan | fbcon is enabled |
| 14:28.12 | MohammadAG_ | YAY |
| 14:28.51 | MohammadAG_ | an uninstall .desktop file? |
| 14:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: is it booting? |
| 14:29.12 | MohammadAG_ | LOL |
| 14:29.19 | t-tan | it boots to a certain stage. then dmse reboots |
| 14:29.35 | MohammadAG_ | bah |
| 14:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | you considered to kick the 'bme -r' lines out of the upstart scripts? |
| 14:29.52 | MohammadAG_ | wouldn't disabling the watchdog help? |
| 14:30.06 | t-tan | so I far I've tried to bme pre-script which access some usb stuff |
| 14:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: ...or better, in / coment out *all* calls to bme? |
| 14:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | Bin / comment |
| 14:30.41 | pupnik | emulators would be *so* much easier if we had more buttons |
| 14:31.08 | pupnik | well, computer emulators |
| 14:31.15 | digitalsurgeon | is there any app to download backgrounds and set them ? |
| 14:31.19 | digitalsurgeon | for n900 ? |
| 14:31.31 | digitalsurgeon | for example from flickr . |
| 14:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | or start bme under strace, in init/upstart, and write the debug to a file |
| 14:31.39 | digitalsurgeon | example: backgrounds for android/ifone |
| 14:31.46 | MohammadAG_ | just download them and set as background |
| 14:31.48 | MohammadAG_ | no need for an app |
| 14:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | preferrably one that can be read out later ;-P |
| 14:32.32 | t-tan | just rebooting... |
| 14:33.06 | slingr | have you guys been bombarded lately with foos who bricked their n900 trying to do illegal things? |
| 14:33.17 | t-tan | it continues !!! |
| 14:33.19 | MohammadAG_ | t-tan, is there any way of decompiling a compiled kernel? |
| 14:33.31 | MohammadAG_ | illegal things like what |
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| 14:33.47 | slingr | *points to the topic* |
| 14:33.50 | t-tan | I'm running a hostmode-only kernel |
| 14:34.10 | slingr | putting on unofficial 1.2 |
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| 14:34.49 | MohammadAG_ | slingr, we prefer not to talk about it :) |
| 14:35.01 | MohammadAG_ | I am on 1.2 packages though (not LR) |
| 14:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: what coninues?? the kernel booted up to full system? |
| 14:35.18 | t-tan | yes. success! |
| 14:35.20 | slingr | Yeah, you are a dev tho right? |
| 14:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | t-tan: you're MAD |
| 14:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:35.40 | MohammadAG_ | I wonder if anyone would for this Nokia-N8:~# uname |
| 14:35.40 | MohammadAG_ | Linux |
| 14:35.49 | MohammadAG_ | slingr, nope |
| 14:35.52 | Stskeeps | meh |
| 14:35.56 | slingr | I was debating loading that leaked one, but logic told me otherwise. I figure, PR1.2 isn't released yet for a reason |
| 14:36.04 | Stskeeps | Nokia-NXX:~# is where it's at |
| 14:36.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 14:36.05 | slingr | I'm just itching to get wifi at work |
| 14:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | PLEASE t-tan first thing dmesg|pastebinit |
| 14:36.11 | slingr | and its WPA EAP-TLS encrypted |
| 14:36.26 | slingr | which 1.1 has troubles with, unless I want to run authentication through command line each time |
| 14:36.31 | pupnik | N8 is beautiful looking. Check the pics. |
| 14:37.07 | MohammadAG_ | Stskeeps, |
| 14:37.07 | tybollt | won't it have S^3? :-( |
| 14:37.08 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N10:~# uname |
| 14:37.08 | MohammadAG_ | Mac OSX |
| 14:37.10 | MohammadAG_ | happy? :P |
| 14:37.28 | tybollt | n10? |
| 14:37.30 | tybollt | huuuuh |
| 14:37.44 | MohammadAG_ | at least someone fell for that one |
| 14:37.45 | MohammadAG_ | XD |
| 14:38.00 | tybollt | trouts mohamma |
| 14:38.01 | tybollt | s |
| 14:38.01 | tybollt | d |
| 14:38.06 | slingr | wow, that N8 is pretty nice.. when is it released |
| 14:38.25 | MohammadAG_ | points and laughs at tybollt |
| 14:38.44 | t-tan | ok, everything is under http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/hostmode/ |
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| 14:39.02 | t-tan | dmesg, my modified bme upstart script and the kernel |
| 14:39.27 | tybollt | rolls mohammad in tar and throws him to the crowd for the feathering :) |
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| 14:41.26 | MohammadAG_ | oh, USB charing is broken |
| 14:41.41 | MohammadAG_ | well I guess I need a .fiasco with a working one |
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| 14:42.41 | tybollt | MohammadAG_: USB charging is broken on the N10, eh? ;) |
| 14:43.12 | MohammadAG_ | tybollt, we got rid of that, now it's an N11 with Windows 8 |
| 14:43.25 | tybollt | neat |
| 14:43.34 | tybollt | will it be charging by electricity OTA? |
| 14:44.26 | MohammadAG_ | no, it will be powered by human energy |
| 14:44.34 | tybollt | uh oh |
| 14:44.36 | tybollt | the matrix |
| 14:44.37 | MohammadAG_ | so when the battery low's expecting something |
| 14:44.37 | tybollt | runs |
| 14:44.38 | MohammadAG_ | bad |
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| 14:50.10 | Pekuja_ | I'm having trouble installing the OpenGL ES libraries. http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES#Installation tells me to install libgles2-sgx-img-dev, but I just get "E: Couldn't find package libgles2-sgx-img-dev" |
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| 14:52.46 | pupnik | http://www.wolfire.com/humble Humble Indie Bundle received over 1 million USD in donations, is opening-up sources to a bunch of cool games. Porters, fire up your SDKs! |
| 14:53.41 | MohammadAG_ | Pekuja_, sec |
| 14:53.46 | MohammadAG_ | think I have it in my archives |
| 14:53.54 | Pekuja_ | MohammadAG_: great. thanks :-) |
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| 14:56.19 | Pekuja_ | MohammadAG_: I'd really rather figure out why it's not in my repos though. |
| 14:57.48 | MohammadAG_ | Pekuja_, no one has it, I just keep archives of stuff I downloaded |
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| 14:58.02 | Pekuja_ | no one has it? |
| 14:58.19 | MohammadAG_ | Pekuja_, not unless they have it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:58.24 | MohammadAG_ | but most people clear that |
| 14:58.28 | MohammadAG_ | I keep it after flashing |
| 14:58.45 | Pekuja_ | yeah but why would no one have it? |
| 14:58.57 | MohammadAG_ | no idea, it's not on the repos anymore |
| 14:59.00 | MohammadAG_ | libgles2-sgx-img_0.20091104.30+0m5_armel.deb <-- this? |
| 14:59.08 | Pekuja_ | yeah I think that's it. |
| 14:59.14 | Pekuja_ | why is it gone from the repos? |
| 14:59.41 | MohammadAG_ | lol no idea |
| 15:00.23 | MohammadAG_ | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libgles2-sgx-img_0.20091104.30_0m5_armel.deb |
| 15:00.26 | smoku | Pekuja_, I just reinstalled it without problems |
| 15:00.33 | MohammadAG_ | had to change the + to _ though |
| 15:00.37 | smoku | are you on a correct SDK target? |
| 15:00.50 | MohammadAG_ | pj waot |
| 15:00.54 | MohammadAG_ | pj? |
| 15:00.54 | Pekuja_ | smoku: does it only work on ARMEL? |
| 15:00.57 | MohammadAG_ | oh wait* |
| 15:01.02 | MohammadAG_ | you need the -dev package |
| 15:01.04 | MohammadAG_ | no idea about that |
| 15:01.14 | MohammadAG_ | don't have it, that package is for the N900 |
| 15:01.29 | Pekuja_ | ok :-/ |
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| 15:01.58 | smoku | Pekuja_, yes. on X86 you have emulation libraries instead |
| 15:02.03 | MohammadAG_ | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search libgles2-sgx-img-dev |
| 15:02.03 | MohammadAG_ | libgles2-sgx-img-dev - OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files |
| 15:02.04 | MohammadAG_ | opengles-sgx-img-common-dev - PowerVR SGX support development files |
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| 15:03.28 | Pekuja_ | MohammadAG_: so they are in the repos |
| 15:03.39 | MohammadAG_ | the -dev packages yes |
| 15:04.49 | MohammadAG_ | anyways, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libgles2-sgx-img-dev_0.20091104.30_0m5_armel.deb |
| 15:05.14 | Pekuja_ | MohammadAG_: what's in your sources.list? |
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| 15:06.14 | MohammadAG_ | Pekuja_, expires in 10 minutes http://pastebin.com/yXcbY7Wy |
| 15:06.33 | Pekuja_ | ok, thanks |
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| 15:06.38 | Pekuja_ | hmm |
| 15:06.54 | MohammadAG_ | if you don't have the token part go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php / you didn't follow the SDK installation instructions if you don't have it |
| 15:07.04 | Pekuja_ | I do have one |
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| 15:07.18 | pupnik | fremantle/GETYOUROWNTOKEN! ?? |
| 15:07.21 | pupnik | oh ty |
| 15:07.25 | lool | Omegamoon: Ok, well these patches worked for me, but you also need to apply these http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/linux-patches/ |
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| 15:07.40 | Pekuja_ | I think perhaps Ubuntu 10.04 just doesn't run the SDK very well |
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| 15:07.50 | Pekuja_ | well |
| 15:08.02 | Pekuja_ | probably not the reason I'm having trouble installing the libraries |
| 15:08.25 | Pekuja_ | but I'm having problems with Xephyr and installing the SDK in the first place required some fiddling |
| 15:09.43 | MohammadAG_ | like what? |
| 15:11.04 | Pekuja_ | well Ubuntu has a different version of Xephyr |
| 15:11.12 | Pekuja_ | so start_xephyr.sh doesn't work |
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| 15:11.43 | Pekuja_ | but ok, it seems like I can get the libraries with apt now. I was just using the FREMANTLE_X86 target |
| 15:11.45 | Pekuja_ | which doesn't have that |
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| 15:27.45 | hawai`i | ALL BY MYSELF |
| 15:27.47 | hawai`i | DON'T WANNA BE |
| 15:27.49 | hawai`i | ALL BY MYSELFFFFFF |
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| 15:28.28 | _berto_ | hawai`i: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_B5UrI7nAI |
| 15:29.35 | hawai`i | This better not be a rickroll |
| 15:30.12 | hawai`i | L M F A O |
| 15:30.14 | smhar | what is license of the meamo source code? |
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| 15:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: feeling good? |
| 15:31.17 | hawai`i | ahaaha |
| 15:32.00 | hawai`i | smhar: I want to say, a lot of it is (L)GPL |
| 15:33.11 | slingr | smhar its distributed under Microsofts EULA |
| 15:33.53 | jcrawford | lol NPL |
| 15:33.57 | jcrawford | Nokia Public License :) |
| 15:34.04 | jcrawford | j/k |
| 15:35.02 | luke-jr | smhar: the imporant parts are all proprietary, etc |
| 15:36.02 | luke-jr | except what they're legally required to open |
| 15:36.05 | luke-jr | like kernel modifications |
| 15:37.20 | smhar | luke-jr, so what the developers are using are just the API to the system? |
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| 15:37.47 | hawai`i | The official ones, yeah. |
| 15:39.38 | smhar | hawai`i, you mean official developers or official API? |
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| 15:40.01 | hawai`i | Both. |
| 15:41.08 | smhar | so stuff in http://www.nokian900applications.com/ and http://my-maemo.com/software/ are using the official API? |
| 15:42.17 | hawai`i | What is the point of these questions? |
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| 15:42.35 | hawai`i | I don't want to say, there is no real "API" for Maemo like there is for other platforms |
| 15:42.48 | hawai`i | but there really isn't. IPC is done through dbus |
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| 15:43.08 | luke-jr | there really is, when it comes to GUI :/ |
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| 15:43.50 | luke-jr | I had hope when Maemo planned on switching to Qt |
| 15:43.50 | hawai`i | But it's not a required necessity |
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| 15:43.50 | hawai`i | there's GTK on Hildon and QT |
| 15:43.50 | luke-jr | but it looks like it's just going to destroy Qt by making a Maemo-specific API for it |
| 15:43.56 | hawai`i | and you can do it through almost any language or interpretor |
| 15:44.21 | luke-jr | hawai`i: APIs aren't necessarily language-specific |
| 15:45.49 | hawai`i | Yes and no. |
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| 15:49.26 | achipa | what APIs are you guys are talking about ? What's the API to, say, Ubuntu ? |
| 15:50.05 | hawai`i | Exactly. |
| 15:50.11 | hawai`i | That is what I am trying to get at. |
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| 15:58.02 | crashanddie | chem|st: around? |
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| 16:00.27 | luke-jr | achipa: Ubuntu just uses standard APIs, plus GTK/GNOME |
| 16:00.34 | pupnik | N900: apt-cache pkgnames | sort -u | wc -l 7715 packages My debian box: 38484 Nice job #maemo community and Nokia |
| 16:00.38 | luke-jr | Maemo has its own APIs in addition |
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| 16:04.43 | Appiah | Anyone have experince with gtk 2.16 or newer on Maemo5? (n900) |
| 16:04.46 | Appiah | is it even possible.. |
| 16:06.13 | kalikiana | Appiah, possible yes. but you can't properly install it since you can't replace system packages |
| 16:06.48 | kalikiana | ie. you need to force it via dpkg |
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| 16:07.02 | Appiah | hmm =/ |
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| 16:08.02 | Appiah | trying to compile something that requires 2.16 or newer |
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| 16:09.33 | AstralStorm | hey |
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| 16:10.06 | AstralStorm | Appiah: should be trivial, you need to apply Hildon patches, they should go in cleanly |
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| 16:10.46 | Appiah | oh |
| 16:10.55 | Appiah | I know nothing about that, can you point me in the right direction? |
| 16:13.05 | AstralStorm | grab the source package from the repository |
| 16:13.20 | AstralStorm | you should know how to get the url |
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| 16:13.29 | AstralStorm | otherwise, you should ask someone instead |
| 16:13.55 | kalikiana | AstralStorm, still it can't go into Extras |
| 16:14.08 | AstralStorm | bewhy? |
| 16:14.08 | kalikiana | the bot would reject it |
| 16:14.16 | AstralStorm | why would it? |
| 16:14.17 | kalikiana | because you can't replace system packages |
| 16:14.19 | AstralStorm | ah right |
| 16:14.26 | AstralStorm | because the deps are broken as usual |
| 16:14.32 | AstralStorm | nokia can't package properly |
| 16:14.47 | kalikiana | I tried once accidentally with a package which I thought were community |
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| 16:15.39 | kalikiana | Unless you were to rename all files and linking but that's complex in the case of gtk |
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| 16:19.42 | tybollt | terve konttori |
| 16:19.51 | konttori | hi |
| 16:19.53 | konttori | sup? |
| 16:19.55 | tybollt | what's latest? :) |
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| 16:20.50 | konttori | for what? pr1.2 release? Afaik, date is set, and has been told even to ovi store developers even. |
| 16:21.21 | ds3 | a |
| 16:21.33 | konttori | but then again, I didn't participate in the finalization of that (as that took place on my daddy month), and then I was immediately dragged to harmattan / meego work |
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| 16:22.52 | tybollt | konttori: not for anything in particular, anything and everything... :) |
| 16:23.12 | Appiah | AstralStorm: im sorry ,what source are you talking about? |
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| 16:23.36 | konttori | oh, hmm... well, I have been looking at the API story a bit and I'm pretty concerned about some issues in our vanilla qt offering in harmattan. |
| 16:23.42 | tybollt | konttori: hmmm so you still regard of harm and meeg as diff projects... that's very interesting in the context of things. :) |
| 16:24.03 | konttori | I'm sure we can fix it still, but for some reason seems like no one has really thought things through for vanilla qt devving. |
| 16:24.21 | tybollt | <-- silly user reading way too much into everything konttori says ;) |
| 16:24.38 | konttori | well, harmattan is based on well... harmattan lower layers, and it has debian packaging. |
| 16:25.01 | konttori | whereas meego will be based on basically the moblin lower layers (+ some stuff), and rpm packaging |
| 16:25.14 | konttori | so, those things alone justify calling them different beasts. |
| 16:25.17 | GAN900 | konttori, who do we need to talk to about Fremantle stuff now? |
| 16:25.27 | konttori | talk to rodarvus |
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| 16:25.31 | GAN900 | Or is that just a total dead end at this point? :) |
| 16:25.49 | Take0n | Hello folks |
| 16:26.04 | GAN900 | tybollt, MeeGo Devices vs MeeGo Operations |
| 16:26.15 | GAN900 | tybollt, it's a beautiful sort of confusing. |
| 16:26.24 | konttori | GAN900: no, the development is not over, and we want to focus now still on the visible issues for end users. |
| 16:26.32 | konttori | but do talk to rodarvus. |
| 16:26.42 | GAN900 | OK |
| 16:27.17 | GAN900 | wishes Modest wouldn't put signatures BEFORE the quoted text. . . |
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| 16:28.14 | konttori | I think that's a matter of taste |
| 16:28.22 | Take0n | are there any other devices that run maemo except of nokia n900? |
| 16:28.29 | konttori | I personally would like it before the quoted text (I always sign there). |
| 16:28.40 | konttori | Take0n: some chinese copy products |
| 16:28.42 | konttori | but that's it |
| 16:29.11 | tybollt | GAN900: =) |
| 16:30.05 | Take0n | hm.. I would like to contribute to the maemo project in any way |
| 16:30.08 | Take0n | but doesn |
| 16:30.20 | Take0n | but doesn't own a nokia n900.. are there any other ways to do so without the phone? |
| 16:30.40 | Take0n | maybe translate applications etc? I speak English, greek and swedish |
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| 16:31.21 | Chiku | with SDK? |
| 16:31.38 | konttori | ooo shiny.. new opera looks nice. |
| 16:31.41 | twoboxen | does anyone know if Nokia has any luck tracking down the annoying browser bug that delayed PR1.2? |
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| 16:32.00 | konttori | twoboxen: which bug? |
| 16:32.19 | twoboxen | it is really nice, though it randomly slows down network traffic and doesn't have flash |
| 16:32.45 | twoboxen | konttori: the browser memory leak that was hard to reproduce |
| 16:33.01 | twoboxen | mentioned on a nokia blog a week or two ago |
| 16:33.28 | konttori | twoboxen: well, one leak was caused by SSO for every page that didn't support SSO. Leak size was up to 128 kb per page load (although usually smaller). |
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| 16:33.38 | konttori | that was trivial fix though. |
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| 16:33.57 | konttori | but could be that the leaked 12-9 didn't have that fix (can't remember if it did or not) |
| 16:34.19 | konttori | funnily enough that sso issue also leaked on every click of page. |
| 16:34.21 | tybollt | konttori: new opera looks nice and ... closed source. |
| 16:34.30 | twoboxen | konttori: perhaps I misheard. yeah, there are definite bugs (i've heard, I don't run it) in that browser build, but I thought there was something else |
| 16:34.43 | konttori | well, many things are great while they are closed source. |
| 16:34.45 | tybollt | but why should users of N900 care about open source code, right? |
| 16:34.57 | twoboxen | tybollt: closed, yeah, but it's always nice to have choices |
| 16:35.01 | konttori | I enjoy games immensely and they are all closed source. |
| 16:35.35 | konttori | competition is always good. It is the engine of progress. |
| 16:35.56 | konttori | so, if opera is great, perhaps the next version of fennec will strive to be even better. |
| 16:36.00 | twoboxen | konttori: how is the meego UI dev sprint going? |
| 16:36.12 | tybollt | konttori: new fennec beta isn't all that bad ;P |
| 16:36.18 | twoboxen | yeah, i ditched fennec when the weave functionality NEVER worked for me |
| 16:36.20 | frals | ~curse users |
| 16:36.21 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users ! |
| 16:36.30 | frals | ~nuke ms exchange |
| 16:36.31 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ms exchange ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 16:36.36 | tybollt | frals: HUGGZ!1111 to you too |
| 16:36.55 | MohammadAG | OMG |
| 16:36.57 | konttori | twoboxen: what UI dev sprint (sorry, I am not yet following meego activities) |
| 16:36.59 | MohammadAG | infobot's back! |
| 16:37.04 | MohammadAG | celebrates |
| 16:37.12 | tybollt | are we to understand users sent you viruses that pwned your ms exhange server frals? |
| 16:37.19 | tybollt | ;) |
| 16:37.22 | frals | no |
| 16:37.48 | twoboxen | sorry, maybe that question shouldn't have been directed at you. I know they are pushing hard with meego dev to have a 1.0 release this month and the previous was UI-less |
| 16:37.52 | RST38h | virII! |
| 16:37.53 | frals | we are to understand that my exchange server has stopped receiving for some unknown reason and instead they go to my backup mx |
| 16:38.14 | RST38h | puts on his grammar nazi hat |
| 16:38.21 | frals | but for some reason the smtp actually works fine on my exchange server so i have no clue why other servers are sending to the backup mx |
| 16:38.22 | MohammadAG | shoots it |
| 16:38.53 | konttori | twoboxen: interesting thought. To be honest, I'm not sure. Is that the handheld meego delivery? |
| 16:39.18 | twoboxen | i am just guessing (no real insider information), but i would think so |
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| 16:39.34 | konttori | as if it's that, then it would be visually probably based on harmattan codebase. |
| 16:39.42 | Chiku | hey , I installed Flashlight applet, 3G/2G/DUAL mode selection applet , SSH status applet, brighness applet but I display all applets |
| 16:39.45 | twoboxen | exactly |
| 16:39.57 | Arkenoi | well, "starving" tables do not work for me (i get sw_rst, not 32_wd, though). back to xlv. |
| 16:40.02 | konttori | which reminds me to mention that we have now started the preparations for the alpha sdk release. |
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| 16:40.17 | Chiku | how I can diseable applet because this is limit number applet display right? |
| 16:40.20 | twoboxen | who is "we" |
| 16:40.30 | konttori | Unfortunately, qt4.7 will not be in the alpha sdk yet. |
| 16:40.48 | konttori | as you all know 4.7 isn't yet released, so... well, we could not include it there yet. |
| 16:40.55 | konttori | it'll be in beta though. |
| 16:41.00 | twoboxen | why is 4.7 necessary... what does it add to qt4.6? an expanded QtMobility? |
| 16:41.11 | konttori | qt quick. |
| 16:41.16 | konttori | that's what it adds |
| 16:41.23 | konttori | and some perf improvements in general |
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| 16:41.53 | konttori | and as you all know, qt quick is the best thing to happen to linux development for a long time |
| 16:42.17 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 16:42.36 | RST38h | best thing after Java? =) |
| 16:42.36 | RST38h | ducks |
| 16:43.00 | konttori | java is great, but it never had good Ui development possibilities. |
| 16:43.03 | zaheerm | what is qt quick exactly? |
| 16:43.18 | twoboxen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NK4zeAe5-Y |
| 16:43.19 | twoboxen | watching it now |
| 16:43.39 | RST38h | Qt Flash! |
| 16:43.46 | konttori | http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-qtcreator-prerelease |
| 16:43.54 | konttori | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/declarativeui.html |
| 16:44.21 | RST38h | Actually: http://jryannel.wordpress.com/ |
| 16:44.29 | twoboxen | answer to WPF |
| 16:44.36 | twoboxen | is what it seems like |
| 16:45.15 | twoboxen | XAML vs QML |
| 16:46.05 | luke-jr | zaheerm: Qt is a cross-platform programming language based on C++, but with standards for networking and GUI |
| 16:46.21 | zaheerm | i know qt didn't know qt quick |
| 16:46.41 | twoboxen | so QML will replace the .ui files? |
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| 16:46.55 | RST38h | Qt is a programing language? Really? |
| 16:47.06 | konttori | twoboxen: it will replace all code really related to UI. |
| 16:47.38 | RST38h | Sounds more like answer to either Flash or Android |
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| 16:47.48 | konttori | well, it is. |
| 16:48.01 | RST38h | i.e. create UI in some interpreted language, then do heavy stuff in c/c++ |
| 16:48.01 | konttori | it allows designer driven development |
| 16:48.24 | inz | And that's supposed to be a good thing?-) |
| 16:48.55 | konttori | yes. and very little really ever needs to be done on c++ side for a normal app (well, outside of the already existing c++ interfaces). |
| 16:49.29 | luke-jr | RST38h: if you consider C++ a programming language, you have to consider Qt one as well |
| 16:49.43 | omar | so we're talking about programming now, is vim really worth the learning curve or should i just use eclipse? |
| 16:49.49 | hawai`i | hahah |
| 16:49.55 | luke-jr | omar: if it's vim vs eclipse, definitely vim |
| 16:49.57 | luke-jr | Eclipse sucks |
| 16:50.37 | omar | so what kind of things should i do to vim to make c++ development easy? so far i've downloaded omnicppcomplete and ctags |
| 16:50.51 | zaheerm | konttori: will qt quick only be supported on qt 4.7? |
| 16:50.59 | MohammadAG | hawai`i's here again |
| 16:51.01 | MohammadAG | leaves |
| 16:51.06 | konttori | yes. |
| 16:51.17 | RST38h | omar: no |
| 16:51.18 | ShadowJK | suggests using /ignore |
| 16:51.22 | RST38h | omar: pico. |
| 16:51.31 | luke-jr | glares at RST38h |
| 16:51.31 | zaheerm | konttori, and will this hit maemo 5 in any supported capacity? |
| 16:51.36 | konttori | the qt declarative module available as preview on 4.6 is not compatible with the final version in 4.7 |
| 16:51.36 | luke-jr | pico is non-free |
| 16:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | problems? |
| 16:51.45 | konttori | zaheerm: it will hit it. |
| 16:51.51 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, what good would that do :P |
| 16:51.52 | RST38h | luke: nano. |
| 16:51.55 | luke-jr | RST38h: ok |
| 16:51.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, not that I noticed |
| 16:52.00 | konttori | immediately when 1.2 goes out, 4.7 hits extras-devel |
| 16:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-13 18:51:18] * ShadowJK suggests using /ignore |
| 16:52.15 | RST38h | and it rains frogs =) |
| 16:52.24 | MohammadAG | and we'll have the same autobuilder problems :P |
| 16:52.27 | omar | why nano? no one i see talks about nano, everyone seems to love vim |
| 16:52.37 | luke-jr | omar: vim is for the power user. but nano is easy |
| 16:52.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 4 lines up, I was only jk |
| 16:52.40 | twoboxen | normally UI languages are interpreted at compile-time |
| 16:52.45 | RST38h | omar: that is because nano does not require advicacy |
| 16:52.45 | zaheerm | konttori, so wt 4.7 will come as part of an official future public release or will we have to rely on it being in extras? |
| 16:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | aah k |
| 16:52.46 | RST38h | advocacy |
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| 16:52.55 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: is omar a troll? |
| 16:52.57 | luke-jr | if someone can't use nano "out of the box", then they shouldn't be using computers :P |
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| 16:53.05 | omar | i'm a troll!? |
| 16:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: how can I tell? |
| 16:53.13 | omar | what makes you say that ;) |
| 16:53.15 | twoboxen | omar: maybe. how tall are you? |
| 16:53.19 | luke-jr | lol |
| 16:53.20 | omar | 5'4'' |
| 16:53.25 | aquatix | maybe he's a dwarf |
| 16:53.28 | RST38h | well, ok, you are a small, meek troll |
| 16:53.30 | twoboxen | HOLY CRAP. TROLL! |
| 16:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't in this chan for some 30min now |
| 16:53.32 | twoboxen | ju/k |
| 16:53.36 | RST38h | like gorlum or something |
| 16:53.36 | hawai`i | OH HAI MohammadAG |
| 16:53.43 | omar | i think i'm taller than gollum ;D |
| 16:53.50 | MohammadAG | OH CRAP he saw it |
| 16:53.51 | luke-jr | gollum is a hobbit, not a troll |
| 16:53.52 | twoboxen | are you counting the hunch? |
| 16:53.53 | Toba | what |
| 16:53.57 | hawai`i | Hahaha |
| 16:54.02 | Toba | on a related note |
| 16:54.09 | Toba | when is dwarf fortress gonna be available on maemo (jk) |
| 16:54.17 | aquatix | lol |
| 16:54.24 | luke-jr | on a vaguely related note |
| 16:54.30 | luke-jr | would anyone pay for a port of Armagetron to Maemo? |
| 16:54.52 | frals | nice my isp all of a sudden decided to block port 25 \o/ |
| 16:54.56 | MohammadAG | what's arma(*presses tab*) |
| 16:55.03 | MohammadAG | LOL frals |
| 16:55.08 | crashanddie | what, you mean the game that has been free for decades at a time, and you want people to pay for it luke-jr ? |
| 16:55.21 | twoboxen | crashanddie: yeah, that one ;) |
| 16:55.25 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:55.48 | twoboxen | i would pay upwards of $0.00 |
| 16:55.49 | konttori | zaheerm: afaik, it's there on the one after pr1.2 |
| 16:55.52 | luke-jr | crashanddie: so because I develop for gratis in 2005, I have to do it for gratis in 2010? |
| 16:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | frals: http://xkcd.com/705/ |
| 16:56.00 | zaheerm | konttori, great |
| 16:56.28 | crashanddie | luke-jr: you didn't develop squat shit, it's been ported a billion times and a half, there are gazillion clones out there, I'm pretty sure there's a javascript clone somehwere |
| 16:56.48 | luke-jr | crashanddie: clones aren't Armagetron |
| 16:56.52 | crashanddie | luke-jr: in other words: porters should *never* ask for money |
| 16:56.53 | twoboxen | easy fellas |
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| 16:57.03 | luke-jr | crashanddie: then maybe it won't get ported |
| 16:57.15 | crashanddie | so be it, it sucks anyhow |
| 16:57.18 | twoboxen | crashanddie: aren't porters the ones who carry your bags? I think it's customary to tip |
| 16:57.19 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 16:57.20 | MohammadAG | lol @ DocScrutinizer |
| 16:57.22 | hawai`i | porting isn't developing. |
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| 16:57.34 | crashanddie | lol twoboxen |
| 16:57.38 | luke-jr | crashanddie: the Armagetron community begs to differ, I think |
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| 16:57.46 | crashanddie | oh, all 3 of them? |
| 16:57.51 | twoboxen | lol |
| 16:57.59 | luke-jr | crashanddie: try over 100 servers online at any one time |
| 16:58.05 | twoboxen | populated? |
| 16:58.16 | luke-jr | twoboxen: no, I think it's 20 on average that are used :) |
| 16:58.23 | MohammadAG | with tumbleweeds |
| 16:58.23 | luke-jr | up to 32 players each |
| 16:58.36 | twoboxen | what % of that community has n900s? |
| 16:58.42 | luke-jr | probably not |
| 16:58.43 | luke-jr | none* |
| 16:58.45 | crashanddie | Well, I guess geeks need something to do between wanking sessions |
| 16:58.50 | MohammadAG | 1/3? |
| 16:58.52 | twoboxen | right... there's your business case |
| 16:58.59 | SpeedEvil | porting is developing. |
| 16:59.03 | luke-jr | they want iPhone ports ;P |
| 16:59.04 | twoboxen | no it's not |
| 16:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: I missed the answer from r* (forgot the nick)? |
| 16:59.08 | twoboxen | it's porting |
| 16:59.09 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, when's the next session? |
| 16:59.11 | SpeedEvil | It may be low-level developing, but it still is. |
| 16:59.15 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: dunno |
| 16:59.17 | twoboxen | reverse engineering is developing |
| 16:59.21 | hawai`i | no it's not |
| 16:59.23 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: stopped synching the google calendar |
| 16:59.24 | luke-jr | twoboxen: porting OpenGL SDL to OpenGL ES Qt is development |
| 16:59.25 | twoboxen | haha |
| 16:59.28 | konttori | DocScrutinizer: rodarvus is his nick. |
| 16:59.30 | hawai`i | lol twoboxen :D |
| 16:59.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, lol |
| 16:59.33 | konttori | rodrigo novo real name |
| 16:59.52 | luke-jr | actually, a N900 port would probably mostly consist of optimization |
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| 16:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, that's why my userlist didn't help me out |
| 17:00.01 | luke-jr | Armagetron is CPU-bound on my desktop system, and averages 110 fps |
| 17:00.03 | luke-jr | :( |
| 17:00.31 | MohammadAG | gets 300fps on compiz |
| 17:00.37 | hawai`i | roffle |
| 17:00.43 | MohammadAG | then my graphics card died |
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| 17:00.47 | luke-jr | I can't imagine Compiz is *ever* CPU bound |
| 17:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: (or anybody else) do you know if rodarvus answered wrt modem Engineering Mode? |
| 17:01.08 | MohammadAG | misses his GPU |
| 17:01.20 | MohammadAG | running on sw emulation, windows doesn't even boot up |
| 17:01.25 | hawai`i | Catalyst versus CUDA |
| 17:01.26 | konttori | DocScrutinizer: try again tomorrow. |
| 17:01.28 | twoboxen | someone else say something dumb so i can make fun |
| 17:01.28 | trumee | is there any way to find out which carrier has the strongest signal in my area |
| 17:01.31 | twoboxen | i'm bored at work |
| 17:01.42 | MohammadAG | twoboxen, you're fired |
| 17:01.43 | hawai`i | twoboxen: MSPAINT is for professionals |
| 17:01.54 | hawai`i | trumee: look at their coverage maps. |
| 17:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | konttori: ok, thanks. Also will leave him a /msgserv note |
| 17:02.02 | trumee | without buying every carriers sim of course |
| 17:02.06 | luke-jr | trumee: well, if you're in the US, you only really have one choice for N900 |
| 17:02.10 | twoboxen | trumee: you can probably get 1 month trials for most providers |
| 17:02.12 | MohammadAG | uses /memoserv |
| 17:02.14 | hawai`i | luke-jr: hardly. |
| 17:02.17 | MohammadAG | ms for short |
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| 17:02.39 | crashanddie | twoboxen: get a new job |
| 17:02.39 | trumee | luke-jr: in the UK |
| 17:02.40 | twoboxen | MSPAINT is a God among men |
| 17:02.44 | twoboxen | i am soon |
| 17:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeah prolly better idea |
| 17:02.56 | twoboxen | i was laid off a couple years ago... taking effect in 2 months |
| 17:03.12 | twoboxen | waiting until i can collect severance to start interviewing |
| 17:03.12 | crashanddie | twoboxen: cool |
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| 17:03.18 | trumee | t-mobile sim gives me "sim not recognised" crap. |
| 17:03.19 | hawai`i | Reminds me of Office Space |
| 17:03.24 | twoboxen | yup |
| 17:03.31 | crashanddie | twoboxen: I quit my job about two weeks ago |
| 17:03.36 | trumee | on the UK firmware |
| 17:03.44 | crashanddie | started sending out CVs and contacting old friends to get interviews |
| 17:03.44 | twoboxen | i will be taking everything with me that isn't bolted down (or is bolted down too tightly) |
| 17:03.58 | twoboxen | crashanddie: what did you do? |
| 17:04.02 | hawai`i | Take the water cooler for good conversation. |
| 17:04.10 | crashanddie | security expert for banks and governments |
| 17:04.11 | twoboxen | o, i'm good... i have at least two companies waiting with offers |
| 17:04.24 | twoboxen | people always need that. you'll be good |
| 17:04.38 | crashanddie | nha, don't want to do it anymore |
| 17:04.42 | crashanddie | looking at other stuff |
| 17:04.48 | twoboxen | yeah screw security. who needs it |
| 17:04.53 | crashanddie | lol |
| 17:04.57 | omar | not me |
| 17:04.57 | trumee | why sim is not recognised!!! it has been 6 months that N900 is out |
| 17:05.07 | crashanddie | trumee: sorry? |
| 17:05.07 | twoboxen | omar, we need security FROM you |
| 17:05.16 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 17:05.28 | crashanddie | trumee: sounds like a dodgy SIM, not a problem with the N900 |
| 17:05.40 | twoboxen | are you putting it in upside down? |
| 17:05.45 | twoboxen | that makes it tougher |
| 17:05.45 | trumee | crashanddie: my PAYG t-mobile sim doesnt work. it works in N95 |
| 17:06.23 | luke-jr | trumee: try licking the terminals |
| 17:06.32 | twoboxen | trumee: try a friend's sim |
| 17:06.37 | crashanddie | trumee: try another SIM |
| 17:06.45 | omar | trumee, try another n900 |
| 17:06.53 | luke-jr | trumee: buy me a pizza |
| 17:06.57 | crashanddie | trumee: TRY ANOTHER PLANET |
| 17:07.04 | twoboxen | trumee: try another day |
| 17:07.08 | trumee | crashanddie: yup tried two other sims of other carriers, they work |
| 17:07.08 | aquatix | trumee: sudo make me a sandwich |
| 17:07.11 | twoboxen | queue :bond music |
| 17:07.32 | MohammadAG | trumee, try another channel |
| 17:07.35 | crashanddie | trumee: seems like a SIM issue then. Seriously, just go to the local t-mobile shop, and tell them the SIM card is deffective |
| 17:07.42 | luke-jr | trumee: did you try licking the terminals yet? |
| 17:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | aquatix: sudo: please enter your IRC password |
| 17:07.49 | aquatix | yep, t-mobile should take care of that |
| 17:07.51 | trumee | luke-jr: !!!!!!!!! |
| 17:07.51 | omar | trumee, put whipped creme on b4 licking |
| 17:07.52 | crashanddie | trumee: they just need to reinitialise a card, costs them like 10 quid |
| 17:07.54 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, that's the polite way of doing it |
| 17:08.07 | aquatix | DocScrutinizer: it's ohaimakemeasammich |
| 17:08.28 | Arkenoi | i had a problem with october-made n900 and old 5V sim |
| 17:08.37 | trumee | crashanddie: will call them up |
| 17:08.38 | Arkenoi | the same sim works ok in modern n900's |
| 17:08.43 | twoboxen | crashanddie: i would like to add that the most effective way to make your point is to dip the SIM in sick dog feces and fling it in their face before requesting a replacement |
| 17:09.02 | crashanddie | trumee: don't bother calling, they'll convince you to pay for something |
| 17:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | /ns ghost aquatix ohaimakemeasammich |
| 17:09.03 | twoboxen | that way they know how important it is |
| 17:09.03 | omar | twoboxen, i'd love to do that to my carrier |
| 17:09.04 | MohammadAG | gets two cars and puts aquatix in between, then floors the pedals |
| 17:09.11 | crashanddie | trumee: just go to a shop and ask them to exchange it |
| 17:09.14 | MohammadAG | you are now a sammich |
| 17:09.24 | *** mode/#maemo [+q *!*@62.219.120.20] by ChanServ |
| 17:09.27 | trumee | crashanddie: ok. |
| 17:09.27 | tybollt | mmmh sammich |
| 17:09.31 | tybollt | is drooling now |
| 17:09.48 | twoboxen | how do you do IRC status messages like ^ |
| 17:09.59 | crashanddie | twoboxen: /me say something |
| 17:10.02 | omar | dies |
| 17:10.05 | aquatix | * DocScrutinizer has quit (i don't like tuna) |
| 17:10.06 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@62.219.120.20] by ChanServ |
| 17:10.07 | twoboxen | figures it out |
| 17:10.18 | twoboxen | thanks crashanddie |
| 17:10.25 | Arkenoi | has a SIM with two imsi/ki pairs, the problem is i can only use the first one on n900: i need to select the active pair via sim menu (which is not supported) and n900 resets sim when i insert it so that the first one is active again |
| 17:10.27 | crashanddie | don't use it too often though |
| 17:10.40 | twoboxen | is using it for the last time. promise |
| 17:10.40 | Arkenoi | if i do select second one on a different handset |
| 17:10.42 | aquatix | thinks you couldn't use it too often |
| 17:11.03 | omar | castrates twoboxen, just to make sure |
| 17:11.28 | twoboxen | is ball-less now. and a liar since i did it again |
| 17:11.41 | luke-jr | can N900 copy a SIM to a file for later use? |
| 17:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder who's *!*@62.219.120.20 |
| 17:11.49 | MohammadAG | <-- |
| 17:11.51 | luke-jr | maybe copy multiple SIMs and use them concurrently? |
| 17:11.52 | aquatix | twoboxen: you should talk in the 3rd person way if you use /me ;) |
| 17:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I wonder how to find out |
| 17:11.55 | Arkenoi | luke-jr: i doubt it |
| 17:11.59 | crashanddie | luke-jr: nope |
| 17:11.59 | MohammadAG | <-- |
| 17:12.04 | luke-jr | not even simple ones? |
| 17:12.06 | Arkenoi | though some phones surely could do |
| 17:12.12 | crashanddie | luke-jr: nope |
| 17:12.13 | MohammadAG | <-- @ DocScrutinizer |
| 17:12.15 | twoboxen | aquatix: damn, you're right. by jov I think he's got it |
| 17:12.16 | luke-jr | I know there's some "smart SIMs", but IIRC some aren't... |
| 17:12.19 | twoboxen | you can get SIM readers |
| 17:12.38 | crashanddie | luke-jr: well, maybe very simple ones, but AFAIK, all recent ones have a private sector that can't be accessed |
| 17:12.41 | hawai`i | Your carriers switch to asplode if you do that. |
| 17:12.44 | Arkenoi | i've seen old siemens hacked firmware that did crack sim authentication on-device and it could operate without sim at all |
| 17:12.48 | luke-jr | crashanddie: is it another proprietary-nokia-won't-let-us-do-it problem? |
| 17:12.52 | Arkenoi | emulating one in the phone itself |
| 17:13.05 | twoboxen | luke-jr: BLASPHEMY. NOKIA ONLY USES OPEN SOURCE /s |
| 17:13.12 | aquatix | *cough* |
| 17:13.17 | crashanddie | luke-jr: dunno, but even if you had access to the card, it would be the card not answering to those kind of requests |
| 17:13.17 | luke-jr | twoboxen: nonsense, Maemo is a closed OS |
| 17:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: SIM has a crypto algo built in, you can't copy |
| 17:13.25 | hawai`i | Yes you can |
| 17:13.26 | tybollt | luke-jr++ |
| 17:13.30 | twoboxen | luke-jr: notice the "/s" |
| 17:13.31 | hawai`i | You simply brute force the KI |
| 17:13.37 | tybollt | maemo certainly is |
| 17:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: nope, on new ones you can't |
| 17:13.42 | luke-jr | crashanddie: so basically, it's not that it can't, but that there's no "simple ones" anymore? :( |
| 17:13.45 | hawai`i | Yes you can. |
| 17:13.53 | crashanddie | luke-jr: pretty much |
| 17:13.54 | hawai`i | It's no longer a bruteforce attack |
| 17:13.56 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i've seen circa 2008 sims that could still be copied |
| 17:13.56 | luke-jr | twoboxen: /s means nothing to me |
| 17:13.57 | tybollt | crashanddie: what w/ all the spam kiddies in here tonight? :-/ |
| 17:13.59 | hawai`i | but you can extract the key. |
| 17:14.03 | crashanddie | tybollt: no idea |
| 17:14.08 | crashanddie | hawai`i: be my guest |
| 17:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: that's news to me |
| 17:14.12 | crashanddie | hawai`i: seriously, try |
| 17:14.14 | twoboxen | luke-jr: me neither... i just mashed my hands on the keboard and it popped up |
| 17:14.15 | hawai`i | You simply need the proper hardware. |
| 17:14.24 | crashanddie | hawai`i: BOLLOCKS |
| 17:14.29 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, pretty rare, though, most cannot |
| 17:14.30 | hawai`i | Neg. |
| 17:14.45 | twoboxen | tybollt: spam in IRC??? NEVAH! |
| 17:14.48 | omar | tybollt, shh they can hear you tooo |
| 17:14.51 | luke-jr | ponders a N900 doing 100 virtual SIMs :P |
| 17:15.01 | Arkenoi | hawai`i, but it is no longer a simple usb reader, you need dirty tricks like undervoltage now, right? |
| 17:15.03 | twoboxen | anyone in here good with kernel hacking? |
| 17:15.13 | aquatix | luke-jr: hspa multiplexing? |
| 17:15.19 | twoboxen | my good random internet friend DJ_Steve is looking for some kernel expertise for the Android work |
| 17:15.21 | MohammadAG | t-tan, not here anymore though |
| 17:15.21 | luke-jr | aquatix: nfc? |
| 17:15.34 | luke-jr | twoboxen: does it pay well? |
| 17:15.37 | crashanddie | twoboxen: pretty hard to hack an android phone when you don't have one available |
| 17:15.42 | hawai`i | Arkenoi: yes. You have to do a lot of hardware switching to fake it out. |
| 17:15.51 | luke-jr | crashanddie: dj_steve does Android on N900 IIRC |
| 17:15.52 | crashanddie | twoboxen: if he pays me $80/hour and sends me an android phone, I'm his new bitch |
| 17:15.59 | twoboxen | luke-jr: as well as porting Armagetron to maemo, yeah |
| 17:16.11 | luke-jr | twoboxen: ? |
| 17:16.20 | twoboxen | not hacking android |
| 17:16.25 | twoboxen | putting android onto the n900 |
| 17:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: any pointers? |
| 17:16.30 | twoboxen | see #nitdroid |
| 17:16.30 | Arkenoi | hawai`i, well, that means the cost of attack raises from $10 to $1K+, not worth trying in most cases :-( |
| 17:16.45 | crashanddie | twoboxen: tell him to contact querty12 and stskeeps |
| 17:16.50 | Arkenoi | hawai`i, i love having my Ki backed up, but i'd not pay that much for it |
| 17:16.56 | luke-jr | twoboxen: see, the problem is I at least enjoy Armagetron dev; if it were Android, it'd be "more boring work" and I'd charge my full rate :P |
| 17:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw the SIM is connected to modem chipset directly, no way to intercept and fake a SIM |
| 17:17.27 | hawai`i | It's still very feasible, which is all I'm saying. |
| 17:17.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: :( |
| 17:17.42 | twoboxen | too bad. android is also a fun OS. I plan on running both. DJ_Steve has gotten it working pretty well--he's just trying to finish up a few drivers for additional hardware support |
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| 17:17.48 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: in that case, it IS Nokia's fault for being too closed |
| 17:17.55 | luke-jr | let's start a riot |
| 17:17.58 | luke-jr | demand modem source |
| 17:17.59 | hawai`i | DocScrutinizer: hardware bus injection. |
| 17:18.02 | Arkenoi | hawai`i, could you point me to any recent papers on that? i am curious. |
| 17:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol, in a certain manner it is |
| 17:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: hw-bus? |
| 17:18.54 | hawai`i | DocScrutinizer: pin out from SIM to hardware contacts with an interception board in between |
| 17:19.07 | luke-jr | hawai`i: obviously we're all talking about w/o hardware mods |
| 17:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: that's easy, yes |
| 17:19.59 | hawai`i | oh |
| 17:20.09 | crashanddie | the cake is a lie |
| 17:20.25 | aquatix | crashanddie: but but but |
| 17:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | muses over SAP |
| 17:20.35 | hawai`i | Arkenoi: I'll try and find it |
| 17:20.41 | aquatix | i was kinda looking forward to the cake |
| 17:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | AT+CSIM |
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| 17:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | and other weird stuff |
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| 17:24.21 | hawai`i | Opening the modem access will cause problems. |
| 17:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Access_Profile |
| 17:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | sorry english wikipedia wasn't able to locate it |
| 17:25.50 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you do realise that SAP only provides "remote access" to the card |
| 17:26.00 | crashanddie | it doesn't actually allow for the card contents to be copied or anything |
| 17:26.22 | crashanddie | you're still asking the card to do basic crypto operations, whether it's your phone directly or another device |
| 17:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but there has to be a method inside the car unit that uses SAP to access the remote SIM |
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| 17:27.16 | crashanddie | the output of those operations is then used to do x, but the next time you want to do x, if card is not available, you can't just replay the same output |
| 17:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | so I pondered if maybe the N900 modem would support such method, to 'inject' a fake SIM from linux system |
| 17:27.49 | crashanddie | well, it wouldn't be that hard to try |
| 17:28.25 | crashanddie | as long as you had a container that could contain all the SIM data, and had a simulator that could reproduce all the SIM functions |
| 17:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | you readout KI of a SIM, emulate it in linux userland, and inject the authentication yaggediyag into the modem via SAP client method |
| 17:28.32 | crashanddie | which wouldn't be a small amount of work either |
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| 17:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't think it's easy. Just pondering about ways to implement it at all |
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| 17:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | we already learnt it's even not that simple to readout the KI from a SIM, so the whole thing is rather academic anyway |
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| 17:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | except if you plan to spread fake sim emulator software all over the world - in which case it might be worh the effort |
| 17:32.10 | hawai`i | Not worth it. |
| 17:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | (such a software emulated SIM could easily be shared obviously) |
| 17:32.28 | hawai`i | Huge ass amounts of work |
| 17:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | until it gets on the blacklists |
| 17:32.35 | hawai`i | and I don't that you can easily inject the data |
| 17:32.44 | hawai`i | that's why it's closed. |
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| 17:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I'm rather sure no normal modem FW will allow SAP client mode |
| 17:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | it's an insane thing to implement |
| 17:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | so back to hw-bus injection ;-P |
| 17:35.43 | hawai`i | lol |
| 17:36.02 | hawai`i | Not worth it either. |
| 17:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | of course, just chatting |
| 17:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | the whole copy-sim thing isn't worth it |
| 17:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | if you want multi-SIM, get a sim-doubler |
| 17:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | or, better, get a dual-line SIM |
| 17:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | if you want to use your sim in different defices and don't like to swap, then get a twin-SIM |
| 17:38.49 | dhq | can i install a 32gb card on my n900 |
| 17:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | s/defi/devi/ |
| 17:39.00 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, most cellular operators do not allow it |
| 17:39.09 | Arkenoi | so you heed to do it yourself |
| 17:39.39 | hawai`i | dhq: not sure if the controller supports microsdxc |
| 17:40.11 | dhq | hmm so what is the maximum |
| 17:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | dhq: yes you can |
| 17:40.24 | jacekowski | dhq: if you can get 32G card |
| 17:40.42 | jacekowski | dhq: because i couldn't find any place where i could buy one |
| 17:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | afaik 32G isn't xc yet |
| 17:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's still hc |
| 17:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | though out of the specs iirc |
| 17:41.14 | jacekowski | there is always i2c |
| 17:41.16 | dhq | whats xc and hc |
| 17:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | high capacity and extended |
| 17:41.40 | dhq | k |
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| 17:53.45 | hawai`i | I'm bored. What else needs to be worked on? |
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| 17:54.15 | SpeedEvil | USB host mode? |
| 17:54.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.48 | hawai`i | Yes go on... |
| 17:54.53 | hawai`i | wait what? |
| 17:54.59 | hawai`i | checkpoint for what? |
| 17:55.45 | SpeedEvil | A way to take images of the whole of / - and restore them |
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| 17:56.00 | hawai`i | ah |
| 17:56.43 | hawai`i | Why not just package a mini-Mer-esque installation that dd's it off? |
| 17:56.49 | SpeedEvil | that'd work |
| 17:57.17 | hawai`i | Seems like the easiest way and less mucking around with upstart/initfs crap |
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| 17:58.12 | hawai`i | okay I'll do it |
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| 18:00.20 | hawai`i | suppose I should get an externally bootable kernel first huh |
| 18:00.40 | SpeedEvil | It's moderately non-trivil |
| 18:00.43 | SpeedEvil | ial |
| 18:00.55 | hawai`i | Yes. Just have to actually, sit down and do it. |
| 18:01.10 | SpeedEvil | the 'easy' way would be something like the boot-loader app - that installed prior |
| 18:01.32 | SpeedEvil | the slightly less easy way is a meego or something-based image that boots from mmc and lets you do rescue stuff |
| 18:02.01 | SpeedEvil | so you can just use flasher to boot the rescue kernel - which doesn't need to be installed even - and have a spare 'rescue' mmc |
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| 18:11.33 | derf | Interesting. I managed to lock up the N900 without triggering the watchdog timer. |
| 18:12.38 | ShadowJK | I've done that |
| 18:13.03 | derf | It doesn't respond to input or network, and has been stuck like that for almost 5 hours (and I wasn't doing anything with it 5 hours ago, either). |
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| 18:13.14 | derf | It also doesn't respond to the power button. |
| 18:13.29 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 18:13.37 | ShadowJK | long press power button? |
| 18:14.19 | derf | Yes, that is what I meant. |
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| 18:14.41 | ShadowJK | Once I managed to trigger some kernel bug. IO to /home and MyDocs was blocked, everything trying to access it hung. swap IO was fine. |
| 18:14.43 | derf | It does respond to yanking the battery. |
| 18:15.09 | SpeedEvil | I would be much more impressed if it diddn't. |
| 18:15.18 | ShadowJK | optified stuff and apps that read/write settings, or access any of the dbs, hung |
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| 18:23.31 | hawai`i | I love the iPhone commercials that fail to mention other requirements. |
| 18:23.46 | hawai`i | "The iPhone can turn off your living room lights!" |
| 18:26.05 | hawai`i | SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=657224&postcount=22 |
| 18:26.20 | kalikiana | sounds scary. if that were true, I should be afraid of anyone with an iphone walking near my house |
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| 18:26.39 | MohammadAG_ | hawai`i, apparently copying and pasting is something I've never seen before (or that's what the ads think) |
| 18:27.04 | hawai`i | MohammadAG_: They're stuck in 2002 |
| 18:27.16 | MohammadAG_ | sure it's not 10 years before that? |
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| 18:27.35 | MohammadAG_ | I remember copying and pasting in Win 98 |
| 18:27.36 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:28.01 | MohammadAG_ | hey johnsq |
| 18:29.19 | hawai`i | I remember it in PPC2003 |
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| 18:32.36 | MohammadAG_ | hawai`i, Read the MCE file, devildriven. It clearly states the last end values of the strings control the pickup speed. They are adjustable between 1-254 |
| 18:32.40 | MohammadAG_ | isn't it 0-255? |
| 18:33.06 | hawai`i | Essentially the same thing. |
| 18:33.30 | MohammadAG_ | 1 != 0 |
| 18:33.39 | MohammadAG_ | do you run on a SoC or something? |
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| 18:35.26 | GAN900 | RST38h, can you ship a flipped rotation arrow with the next FBReader update if I make one for you? |
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| 18:36.52 | RST38h | GAN900: yea |
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| 18:42.41 | richieeee72 | Hello, does anyone know how to recover data from the internal memory on the N900, after getting "Memory Card Corrupted"? On MyDocs partition mmcblk0p1? |
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| 18:43.40 | Stskeeps | check if the partition table is still there |
| 18:43.49 | SpeedEvil | you mean the vfat partition? |
| 18:44.08 | richieeee72 | yes, the vfat partition, the 20 something gb one. |
| 18:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | (spare 'rescue' mmc) that would be mad useful, indeed |
| 18:44.35 | richieeee72 | how can I check the partition table, I don't have fdisk on the N900, is there something else? |
| 18:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: mce file? what ya talkin bout? |
| 18:45.36 | MohammadAG_ | this'll be hard to find |
| 18:45.52 | SpeedEvil | there is sfdisk installed by default |
| 18:45.52 | SpeedEvil | Okaaay. |
| 18:45.54 | SpeedEvil | I flashed 1.1.1 - why is there a really huge maemo update in HAM |
| 18:45.58 | MohammadAG_ | nvm, DocScrutinizer http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656985&postcount=6 |
| 18:46.05 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 18:46.10 | SpeedEvil | I flashed 1.0 |
| 18:46.10 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: Don't do that |
| 18:46.12 | SpeedEvil | 1.1 |
| 18:46.14 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: I hate you |
| 18:46.14 | SpeedEvil | that'll do it |
| 18:46.16 | tybollt | oh |
| 18:46.22 | tybollt | so it's 1.1.1 you have? |
| 18:46.23 | MohammadAG_ | he still hates you |
| 18:46.27 | tybollt | in HAM? |
| 18:46.39 | tybollt | MohammadAG_: sssssh you |
| 18:46.49 | SpeedEvil | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin |
| 18:46.52 | SpeedEvil | I flashed |
| 18:46.56 | SpeedEvil | which unsurprisingly ... |
| 18:47.09 | MohammadAG_ | 1.0 lol |
| 18:47.15 | tybollt | meh |
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| 18:47.42 | tybollt | you do realize I die a little inside every time you get my hopes up like that ;) |
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| 18:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: lame topic :-/ |
| 18:48.57 | hawai`i | He's just razzing me. |
| 18:49.26 | hawai`i | DocScrutinizer: what else is new?! |
| 18:49.32 | richieeee72 | Speedevil: thanks, used sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 and can see the three partitions, but not sure what to do next... |
| 18:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: new?? |
| 18:50.02 | MohammadAG_ | hawai`i, not really, 1-254 != 0-255 |
| 18:50.05 | RST38h | 1.2 1.2 1.2 |
| 18:50.18 | RST38h | made tybollt die thrice |
| 18:50.40 | hawai`i | DocScrutinizer: with lame topics |
| 18:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: hawai`i: dudes you drive me nuts, what's so difficult in reading that friggn mce.ini? |
| 18:50.54 | SpeedEvil | richieeee72: I would dd it off to some linux or dos box, and then run a filesystem repair tool |
| 18:51.19 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, umm, nothing? |
| 18:51.35 | hawai`i | Wait what? |
| 18:51.52 | hawai`i | That's what I told the clown to do. |
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| 18:51.56 | MohammadAG_ | it's getting weird in here *switches screens* |
| 18:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | # Speed from 1 to 255 |
| 18:52.52 | MohammadAG_ | he missed a value then :P |
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| 18:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | sobs over noticing he wasted 47 sec to c&p a stupid silly line from a simple stupid config file |
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| 18:54.04 | RST38h | wazd hey |
| 18:54.37 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 18:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | btw "pickup speed"? PICKUP? |
| 18:55.15 | richieeee72 | SpeedEvil: thanks for the idea, I'll give it a go as soon as I've got my N900 networked to my pc, cheers. |
| 18:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | what's pickup speed? |
| 18:56.25 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 18:56.36 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 18:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: and a vibrator speed of 0 doesn't make much sense, does it? |
| 18:57.38 | MohammadAG_ | unless you want it off |
| 18:57.44 | MohammadAG_ | takes a break, brb #maemo |
| 18:57.47 | SpeedEvil | IIRC a vibrator speed of 15 or so is the minimum |
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| 18:57.55 | hawai`i | DocScrutinizer: pick-up speed is how long it takes to reach full voltage |
| 18:58.02 | hawai`i | er rotation |
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| 19:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: aiui that # Speed from 1 to 255 clearly is the PWM value for vibrator when it reaches max in OnPeriod |
| 19:03.29 | RST38h | Wait, what are you doing with that vibrator? |
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| 19:04.04 | SpeedEvil | Remember - n900 is not waterproof. |
| 19:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | you got attack-sustain-release shape, where $AcceleratePeriod is the duration of attack, $OnPeriod is the duration it runs with $Speed, $BreakPeriod is decay, and $OffPeriod is the pause between loops |
| 19:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: MohammadAG ^^^ |
| 19:04.37 | hawai`i | Who wrote that? |
| 19:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | me, this very moment |
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| 19:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | you're free to quote me though ;-) |
| 19:07.09 | hawai`i | You ever see soap roll down the crack of a mans ass? |
| 19:07.18 | _radz_ | hey guys, I have just installed maemo5 sdk using the python GUI wizard, and I get the error: configure: error: Package requirements (hildonmm >= 0.9.6) were not met: |
| 19:07.19 | _radz_ | No package 'hildonmm' found |
| 19:08.53 | _radz_ | any help would be appreciated |
| 19:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | err, s/decay/release |
| 19:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: seems you're got another idea how to read those values? |
| 19:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | you've |
| 19:11.01 | hawai`i | No, just the last one. |
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| 19:13.33 | joker_89 | hi |
| 19:13.43 | joker_89 | anyone knows how to know phone model using python? |
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| 19:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I edited the Speed values for some of my vib profiles, seemed to work the way I expected |
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| 19:28.09 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: hey you there? |
| 19:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | almost not |
| 19:28.32 | Dima202 | Sorry ran out on you yestorday |
| 19:28.54 | Dima202 | So it worked just fine for you and for me my tv goes black |
| 19:29.08 | Dima202 | I need ideas to fix this issue |
| 19:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | sorry no idea wrt that. Except maybe try with a different TV |
| 19:30.05 | Dima202 | But TV is displaying eveyrhing else |
| 19:30.15 | Dima202 | and mplay is displaying video (although laggy) |
| 19:30.20 | Dima202 | mplayer* |
| 19:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | maybe mediaplayer is sending some control signal (like format=16:9) that your TV doesn't like |
| 19:31.17 | RST38h | burns the rom image |
| 19:31.51 | RST38h | what a silly excuse for the sdk... |
| 19:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | really, either your TV is weird, or your HW is broken |
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| 19:32.59 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: tv or n900 |
| 19:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | or you're using another version of mediaplayer than I do |
| 19:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | Dima202: whatever, cable N900 TV. Really the reported facts are non-conclusive |
| 19:34.33 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: what if I record whats happening |
| 19:34.39 | Dima202 | on a camera |
| 19:34.51 | Dima202 | With voice over and everything |
| 19:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | nad as I can't make a reasonable story out of the whole set of symptoms, I also am short of ideas how to fix the issue |
| 19:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | check with another TV |
| 19:35.45 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: when you have your n900 connected to the tv the picture is pretty ugly no? |
| 19:35.53 | Dima202 | DocScrutinizer: I have just the one |
| 19:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes, like always |
| 19:36.13 | ShadowJK | I'm not sure I'd call it ugly |
| 19:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, bbl... ->dinner |
| 19:36.29 | Arkenoi | what is the maximum resolution one may get from tv out? |
| 19:36.31 | Dima202 | Alright DocScrutinizer good appetite |
| 19:36.43 | Dima202 | 640x480? i dunno |
| 19:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | x*512, 16bbp |
| 19:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | aka 65k colors |
| 19:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | for PAL, for NTSC it's probably x*480 |
| 19:38.03 | Arkenoi | and that is the maximum x? |
| 19:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | not sure about that |
| 19:38.18 | Trewas | I'd but an 'f' to the front of ugly when speaking of n900's tv-out, quality is something you'd get from a VHS... if it even was anamorphic widescreen it would be a bit better |
| 19:38.37 | ShadowJK | the widescreen seems to cut y resolution a bit |
| 19:39.30 | Dima202 | Trewas: yeah but it's using a pretty standard connector, easy to find and just one hole for audio/video and audio is pretty decent.. It's fine for what it is really |
| 19:40.10 | Dima202 | The newer ones will come out with hdmi so should see lots of improvement there |
| 19:40.28 | ShadowJK | the video (as in media player) actually has different path through dss to screen, as evident by UI only appearing on n900 :) |
| 19:41.02 | ShadowJK | it's probably like PC graphics cards a few years ago, where video was different hardware than the thing drawing rgb framebuffer |
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| 19:41.32 | damnshock | hello everyone :) |
| 19:41.54 | Dima202 | ShadowJK: so you think that path is using the dsp chip and thus my n900 dsp is broken |
| 19:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's using different framebuffers. The fb for AV seems is only 16bbp deep |
| 19:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | that's really bad quality |
| 19:42.25 | damnshock | I wanted to ask if any of you has installed the maemo sdk on a non debian distro |
| 19:42.25 | ShadowJK | Dima202, no if dsp was broken you'd get no video playback at all, with or without tvout |
| 19:42.48 | damnshock | I'm currently running on Archlinux |
| 19:42.51 | ShadowJK | well video is 12 bits per pixel ;D |
| 19:42.59 | damnshock | and I downloaded the gui installer |
| 19:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 19:43.07 | damnshock | should it run without problems? |
| 19:43.10 | Dima202 | hey DocScrutinizer what version is your mplayer? |
| 19:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 19:43.19 | Dima202 | i mean media player |
| 19:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | 1.1.1 |
| 19:44.08 | Dima202 | how did yo ucheck? |
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| 19:44.08 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 19:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | I got Pr1.1.1 |
| 19:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | and no special mediaplayer |
| 19:44.38 | Dima202 | me to on pr 1.1.1 |
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| 19:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | so you say your TV is black from beginning, whenever you playback a videofile >400MB? |
| 19:45.42 | Dima202 | yeah, i see media player on tv and i choose the file it starts showing those circles |
| 19:45.57 | Dima202 | then i see n900 circles stuck on 3rd or 4th circle and tv is black |
| 19:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you have a uSD with read errors |
| 19:47.11 | Dima202 | HMM Was there an update for media playuer in devel or extras? |
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| 19:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no good idea how to check that. bbl |
| 19:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 19:47.37 | Dima202 | later DocScrutinizer thanks |
| 19:48.15 | Dima202 | media player is Media Box Media Center right? |
| 19:48.58 | Dima202 | I have version 2010.05.08 of MediaBox Media Center |
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| 19:50.51 | ShadowJK | no |
| 19:51.02 | ShadowJK | media player is what's included |
| 19:51.21 | ShadowJK | it's not in extras at all. |
| 19:52.13 | ShadowJK | Media Box Media Center is something else |
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| 20:11.20 | BCMM | anybody else just get spammed by someone in this channel? |
| 20:11.27 | hawai`i | Nope. |
| 20:12.19 | BCMM | just got sent a porn link |
| 20:12.24 | tybollt | wow cool |
| 20:12.25 | tybollt | share! |
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| 20:12.39 | BCMM | tybollt: i'm not especially inclined to click it |
| 20:12.47 | BCMM | i mean, it may not be porn |
| 20:13.10 | BCMM | i won't name names in case it was a real user and meant for somebody else |
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| 20:13.39 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*animooo@111.94.116.*] by Stskeeps |
| 20:13.39 | *** kick/#maemo [animooo!~cvm@Maemo/community/distmaster/Stskeeps] by Stskeeps (spam) |
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| 20:14.01 | BCMM | yeah, it was animooo |
| 20:14.11 | Stskeeps | got the same on cycle, so |
| 20:14.27 | BCMM | CTCP-VERSION was mIRC |
| 20:14.39 | BCMM | so yeah, probably got pwned... |
| 20:15.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin idiot |
| 20:16.13 | BCMM | me, or animooo? |
| 20:16.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | animooo of course |
| 20:16.47 | BCMM | (i dunno, there are probably still mirc fans...) |
| 20:17.57 | ZogG | does anyone here use twitter from n900? |
| 20:19.20 | petteri | ZogG: i use |
| 20:19.49 | petteri | http://www.tweetgo.net is what I am using |
| 20:19.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder why ircd7 hasn't klined that moron. detecting mass /query shouldn't be hard |
| 20:20.14 | ZogG | petteri i mean any client |
| 20:20.18 | ZogG | it was fine |
| 20:20.34 | petteri | but |
| 20:20.37 | petteri | ? |
| 20:20.56 | ZogG | i used it alll the time but today in the middle of day o got - can't autificate (how do i spell that word) |
| 20:21.15 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: sounds like he was going pretty slow |
| 20:21.42 | ZogG | tried on meego and mauku |
| 20:21.49 | ZogG | but works on microb |
| 20:21.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | so somebody should join #freenet and report |
| 20:22.16 | petteri | i think the errors are because twitter.com is not working, Too much users or something |
| 20:22.28 | petteri | i am happy with tweetgo.net |
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| 20:33.29 | hawai`i | Sweet. |
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| 20:33.34 | hawai`i | N900 locked up. |
| 20:34.16 | hawai`i | No wd interrupt. |
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| 20:43.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | so it's probably not locked up, but terribly busy |
| 20:44.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually swapping |
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| 20:45.15 | hawai`i | I pulled the battery. |
| 20:45.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | take care,all your input will store up |
| 20:45.29 | hawai`i | I can't be arsed to wait around. |
| 20:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol then not |
| 20:45.35 | hawai`i | lol |
| 20:45.52 | hawai`i | I did spawn about 40 different processes |
| 20:46.08 | hawai`i | so was sort of ready for it when the phone rang. |
| 20:46.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | 10sec powerbtn hold should work and is a lil more polite than pulling bat |
| 20:48.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas can't test it as mine is borked |
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| 20:48.47 | hawai`i | fsck and I'm over it. |
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| 20:50.45 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, again? |
| 20:51.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | pwrbtn broke |
| 20:51.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | nokia fsckd it on repair :-P |
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| 20:52.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | needs more feeling than a virgin to convince it |
| 20:53.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | well N900 has such a plenty of hw pushbuttons - I can bear the one |
| 20:53.58 | joker_89 | any knows any database will all firmware codes for nokia? |
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| 20:54.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | for now |
| 20:55.26 | joker_89 | yes |
| 20:55.27 | tybollt | joker_89: sorry no we will not give you the leaked beta 1.2 |
| 20:55.28 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, you know in movies when people sit there cleaning guns and stripping them down timing them.. |
| 20:55.40 | joker_89 | leacked beta 1.2? |
| 20:56.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah assemble AK47 in 3.9s |
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| 20:57.44 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, o_O |
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| 20:57.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | burrps |
| 20:57.50 | lcuk | well i imagine you doing same with n900 |
| 20:57.59 | Arkenoi | i studied ak-47 assembly/disassembly in school |
| 20:58.01 | Arkenoi | timed |
| 20:58.42 | Arkenoi | or was it ak-45? |
| 20:58.46 | Arkenoi | don't remember |
| 20:59.03 | tybollt | Arkenoi: in school? What the fucking fuck? |
| 20:59.11 | Arkenoi | wonders if i still can do it |
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| 20:59.31 | tybollt | if you study ak47 in school it's pretty fucked up a school =) |
| 21:00.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: I'm tempted to do. They told me they need to send it in to nokia repair central services as it was them who did the prev repair |
| 21:00.12 | Arkenoi | not really bad |
| 21:00.13 | mtnbkr | tybollt: or a pretty good school (depending on your political bent) :) |
| 21:00.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | though the repair itself prolly will take 20min |
| 21:00.34 | Arkenoi | but we went to a shooting ranage just once |
| 21:00.42 | lcuk | tybollt, theres many countries in the world and each has its own rules regulations munitions and people |
| 21:00.43 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: mine was parently sent to germany for service. |
| 21:00.52 | Arkenoi | shells were expensive |
| 21:00.52 | tybollt | mtnbkr: hrr hrr |
| 21:00.56 | lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer51 |
| 21:01.22 | Arkenoi | so i volunteered to go to some rifle shooting, it was not mandatory |
| 21:01.40 | hawai`i | I'm Canadian. What's a gun? :P |
| 21:01.41 | tybollt | lcuk: if you studfy in Iraq and Afghanistan or perhaps Gaza strip maybe you need to take the AK47 101 class - but in other countries? HELL NO |
| 21:02.09 | Arkenoi | s/ranage/range/ |
| 21:02.17 | tybollt | hawai`i: boo, you all hunt moose over there =) |
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| 21:02.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: (ammo) Aegypt red, Finnland black |
| 21:02.52 | Arkenoi | the school sucket otherwise, except that military part which was pretty boring most of the time as well |
| 21:03.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: (sisterhood, Gift) |
| 21:03.19 | tybollt | Arkenoi: where'd you go to school? |
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| 21:03.36 | Arkenoi | too little shooting too much dealing with gas mask etc |
| 21:03.43 | Arkenoi | saint petersburg |
| 21:03.47 | lcuk | tybollt, why so strongly against it? do you feel strongly enough to fight for the principle? |
| 21:04.17 | Arkenoi | it was called Leningrad back then |
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| 21:04.41 | lcuk | i have never fired a real gun |
| 21:04.55 | Arkenoi | ah, and i forgot to mention all that communist propaganda and bullshit |
| 21:05.12 | Arkenoi | that killed all the fun almost completely |
| 21:06.09 | tybollt | st petersburg then arkenoi |
| 21:06.15 | tybollt | ehr wait no |
| 21:06.23 | tybollt | yes |
| 21:07.08 | tybollt | lcuk: sorry but weapons are bad. period. |
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| 21:08.36 | lcuk | tybollt, in some places there isn't a choice. |
| 21:08.53 | lcuk | and telling the person pointing a gun at you they are bad isnt really going to do much |
| 21:09.06 | SpeedEvil | It may make him die of laughter. |
| 21:09.10 | lcuk | so, learn to run very fast |
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| 21:09.26 | Arkenoi | still visits shooting range occasinally. a day may come to throw putin, luzhkov and other assholes down and it might be handy to know how to shoot ;-) |
| 21:09.26 | lcuk | or accept that some places have standard munitions training |
| 21:10.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: basically everything s a weapon if you know hpow to use it. I admit there's tools with a purpose more clearly aimed at extermination of personell |
| 21:10.56 | Myrtti | cheesecake! |
| 21:11.01 | inkbottle | Some fonts are missing to visualize this page: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/colloquial, with default n900 browser. How to fix that? |
| 21:11.57 | inkbottle | I've searched the web, but haven't found anything so far |
| 21:12.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hands Myrtti a can with pressurized cream |
| 21:12.16 | Arkenoi | used to beat annoying people with an umbrella. not special self-defence umbrella (such a thing does exist), but a regular one. the bad part is that it could be used only once, it breaks ;-) |
| 21:13.06 | lcuk | Myrtti, cheesecak is dangerous |
| 21:13.12 | omar | thinks Arkenoi sounds like a cranky grandpa |
| 21:13.13 | lcuk | cheesecake |
| 21:13.30 | lcuk | tybollt sounds crankier |
| 21:13.38 | omar | cranks up the volume |
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| 21:13.49 | Arkenoi | omar: i looks almost like one, just not very old ;-) |
| 21:13.57 | lcuk | who remembers bow and arrows with suckers on the end :D |
| 21:14.01 | omar | cool :) |
| 21:14.30 | Myrtti | oh meh. first I was like, -______-, then I thought let's have coffee. Then I remembered I don't have milk. now I'm .____. |
| 21:14.38 | omar | are you supposed to shoot the suckers into your moufs? |
| 21:14.49 | lcuk | Myrtti, black coffee ftw |
| 21:14.50 | Myrtti | *yawn* |
| 21:14.53 | Myrtti | ew |
| 21:14.55 | omar | eww coffee w/o milk |
| 21:14.56 | lcuk | ill email you some milk |
| 21:15.03 | omar | go buy some dood |
| 21:15.05 | Myrtti | thanks. |
| 21:15.26 | Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/arkanoid24.jpg |
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| 21:15.44 | omar | that's you Arkenoi? |
| 21:16.21 | omar | doesn't ur neck beard itch? :P |
| 21:16.36 | Myrtti | omar: there's some problems with your suggestions, namely a) I don't have a car b) I don't have drivers licence c) being a pedestrian right here, right now is a silent wish for suicide |
| 21:17.02 | omar | Myrtti, where do you live? and why don't you have all these necessities? |
| 21:17.04 | lbt | cake.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4604426181/ |
| 21:17.10 | lcuk | Myrtti, high vis jacket and ample handfuls of cheesecake |
| 21:17.26 | lcuk | holyhell lbt |
| 21:17.28 | thresh | doesnt have a drivers license either |
| 21:17.30 | lbt | just so you can look at it :) |
| 21:17.53 | tybollt | lbt: what's that? |
| 21:17.56 | Myrtti | omar: I'm staying in a hotel in Silicon Valley that's situated between two highways. |
| 21:18.01 | Arkenoi | well, now i look more like that: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/meeting.jpg |
| 21:18.03 | lbt | lemon sponge pudding cake |
| 21:18.05 | tybollt | lbt: looks yummy >:) |
| 21:18.09 | tybollt | lbt: YUMMY |
| 21:18.14 | omar | Myrtti, wow sleeping must suck! |
| 21:18.14 | lbt | it's kinda like lemon curd |
| 21:18.15 | tybollt | lbt: recipe, bitte |
| 21:18.29 | lbt | it takes about 20 mins ... |
| 21:18.32 | Myrtti | omar: did I mention I wanted coffee? |
| 21:18.48 | omar | yeah you did... maybe you should get some rest |
| 21:18.52 | tybollt | lbt: so, hand me :) |
| 21:18.54 | omar | you're starting to repeat yourself |
| 21:19.13 | tybollt | you're starting to repeat yourself |
| 21:19.15 | lbt | tybollt: typing |
| 21:19.28 | tybollt | lbt: what the hell - just cut'n'paste ;) |
| 21:19.41 | omar | Arkenoi, now i thikn you're just finding random photos before the world was in color |
| 21:20.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | I repeat myself when I'm under stress |
| 21:20.29 | lbt | tybollt: cut'n'paste? I'm a chef... it's in my head |
| 21:21.00 | lcuk | ok, medical team, prepare david for surgery, i want 0.5mm slices |
| 21:21.12 | Myrtti | all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. |
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| 21:21.16 | Myrtti | all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. |
| 21:21.19 | lcuk | tracy makes a great lemon drizzle cake |
| 21:21.19 | Myrtti | all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. |
| 21:21.34 | tybollt | yeah |
| 21:21.47 | tybollt | I spent two months in a hotel room last summer, central copenhagen |
| 21:21.53 | tybollt | worst summer in my life |
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| 21:22.27 | Myrtti | we have a kitchen. too bad the utensils are so shit it's next to impossible to cook anything |
| 21:23.21 | Myrtti | concave stainless steel frying pan, steak knives for cutting... |
| 21:23.22 | Arkenoi | omar: well, this one is in color: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/troff-bd.jpg |
| 21:24.00 | omar | i see |
| 21:24.03 | Myrtti | anyway, I was going for a shower |
| 21:24.08 | lbt | tybollt: done... |
| 21:24.12 | omar | looking stylish there |
| 21:24.15 | tybollt | go for starbucks instead |
| 21:24.33 | tybollt | lbt: ok!? |
| 21:24.49 | lbt | refresh |
| 21:24.56 | Myrtti | tybollt: starbucks is even further away than a shop selling milk. nice idea tho |
| 21:25.03 | Myrtti | buggers off to shower |
| 21:25.47 | omar | Arkenoi, http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/cc05-2.jpg you damage anyone w/that umbrella? |
| 21:26.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | feels with Myrtti while nippin on his latte macchiato |
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| 21:27.10 | Arkenoi | omar: likely, i wasted one umbrella in saint petersburg (maybe that one) and two in moscow ;-) |
| 21:27.33 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: With or without the ricin-ball in the tip? |
| 21:27.55 | tybollt | lbt: woot awesome, vielen dank Her! |
| 21:27.56 | tybollt | r |
| 21:27.57 | omar | Arkenoi, u should just smack people with your hand would save you money on umbrellas ;) |
| 21:28.29 | Arkenoi | omar, yes, but it makes more fun with umbrella ;-) |
| 21:28.36 | lbt | enjoy... it really is pretty good ... especially if you like lemon curd / lemon cheese |
| 21:28.55 | tybollt | FUCK DAMIT flat out of eggs |
| 21:28.56 | tybollt | :( |
| 21:28.59 | tybollt | no cake for me |
| 21:29.07 | SpeedEvil | has eggs. |
| 21:29.11 | omar | has chickens |
| 21:29.12 | SpeedEvil | should make cake. |
| 21:29.16 | omar | that lay eggs |
| 21:29.18 | tybollt | grrrr |
| 21:29.21 | lbt | takes about 20 mins SpeedEvil... |
| 21:29.30 | SpeedEvil | lbt: I know the theory. |
| 21:29.38 | SpeedEvil | lbt: I only have one lemon though. |
| 21:29.46 | omar | has a lemon tree |
| 21:29.54 | lbt | heh, a recipe is like advice... |
| 21:30.00 | lbt | got an orange? |
| 21:30.04 | tybollt | omar: I'd get chickens.. |
| 21:30.12 | Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/mouse.jpg - btw i caught a live mouse in the office once ;-) |
| 21:30.13 | SpeedEvil | I just have raspberries in the garden, and apples, and some spinach. |
| 21:30.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: wait I'll drop in for a piece |
| 21:30.23 | Arkenoi | there is the proof |
| 21:30.24 | tybollt | but my cats would probably kill the chickens :( |
| 21:30.27 | SpeedEvil | (only the spinach is functional yet) |
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| 21:30.41 | lbt | there you go, 1 lemon and 5-8 raspberries... |
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| 21:31.01 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: spinach stew is awesome w/ a nice deepfried halibut or such |
| 21:31.15 | omar | tybollt, we have them in a gigantic metallic cage.. but we actually have a lot of younger ones just roaming around our lawn and we have plenty of stray cats here |
| 21:31.21 | omar | i don't know how they aren't dead |
| 21:31.42 | omar | they huddle en masse though so that might help |
| 21:31.45 | lbt | once saw his cat chased off by a couple of pheasants... |
| 21:32.00 | lbt | I always teased him about that ;) |
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| 21:34.20 | tybollt | omar: hmm yeah.. I dream of one day moving out to the country side... some poultry... pigs... etc... I could kill a baby pig for dinner every night |
| 21:34.38 | tybollt | they cooked baby pig on TV tonight, god damn that looked tasty |
| 21:34.43 | lbt | thinks about the smell of a pig farm.... maybe not |
| 21:34.49 | omar | hah |
| 21:34.57 | tybollt | oh yeah? |
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| 21:35.08 | omar | i'm gonna pass out |
| 21:35.20 | tybollt | think about the smell of a baby pig stuffed w/ various greens slow roasted over an open fire |
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| 21:39.43 | SpeedEvil1 | http://www.mauve.plus.com/1271538541770.jpg - I have not eaten the one on the left. (yet) |
| 21:40.52 | BCMM | lbt: your cat should see this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060613-cat-bear_big.jpg |
| 21:40.59 | omar | u ate a bunny wabbit?! |
| 21:41.08 | SpeedEvil1 | nom |
| 21:41.15 | omar | i want a cat ;( |
| 21:41.26 | lbt | BCMM: heh :) |
| 21:42.01 | SpeedEvil1 | passes omar a nice cat, with some onions, with an orange sauce. |
| 21:42.17 | Myrtti | bugger. |
| 21:42.32 | omar | Myrtti, u want roasted cat w/onions and orange sauce? |
| 21:42.33 | Mousey | yum |
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| 21:43.00 | omar | wait wait.. who says bugger? is that a UK term? |
| 21:43.33 | SpeedEvil1 | yes |
| 21:44.28 | BCMM | yes indeed |
| 21:44.33 | omar | i have a memory of someone saying "buggah" in a deep english voice.. that's how i guessed ;) |
| 21:44.40 | BCMM | do they not say it in the US? |
| 21:44.44 | omar | it might have been "oh buggah" |
| 21:44.47 | omar | nope |
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| 21:46.09 | omar | Myrtti, while you're in that area try to get someone to drive you on highway 1 ;) |
| 21:46.21 | omar | and go to berkeley hills |
| 21:46.36 | omar | esp at night time |
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| 21:47.09 | Myrtti | omar: we're leaving on Saturday, and we've done plenty of sightseeing. |
| 21:47.10 | GAN900 | BCMM, usually only ironically. ;) |
| 21:47.17 | omar | o i see |
| 21:47.21 | GAN900 | Myrtti, see the redwoods? |
| 21:47.23 | omar | i miss that area ;( |
| 21:47.59 | Myrtti | GAN900: nah, but we did drive from santa cruz to san jose |
| 21:48.18 | GAN900 | Myrtti, then you haven't done enough sightseeing. :P |
| 21:48.19 | omar | Myrtti, did you eat pho yet? |
| 21:48.29 | omar | go eat pho |
| 21:48.31 | omar | NOW |
| 21:48.42 | Myrtti | GAN900: I know, we haven't had time to do sightseeing other than on weekends |
| 21:48.51 | SpeedEvil1 | Isn't that one of the teletubbies? |
| 21:48.54 | GAN900 | Myrtti, too bad. |
| 21:49.06 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil1, Vietnamese soup. |
| 21:49.09 | omar | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Pho_in_Saigon.jpg/800px-Pho_in_Saigon.jpg |
| 21:49.13 | omar | this stuff is amazing |
| 21:49.18 | omar | i used to eat it 5x a week |
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| 21:51.50 | omar | it's pronounced "fuh" though so don't look stupid ;P |
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| 21:55.49 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 21:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if omar is doing the old nasty joke of teaching french that "fuck you asshole" means merci beaucoup |
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| 22:02.35 | SpeedEvil | In some tones of voice it does. |
| 22:02.47 | SpeedEvil | As can 'Have a nice day' have a similar meaning. |
| 22:03.55 | Macer | spy game is a good movie |
| 22:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | still I wonder what pho might be (other than a request to get raped) |
| 22:09.13 | lcuk | anyone know roughly how many machines can be sat around a single wifi router before it is saturated |
| 22:09.24 | lcuk | thinking irc spec data transfer only |
| 22:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 22:09.34 | lcuk | no heavy web/downloads |
| 22:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | prolly the number is *virtually* unlimited, just determined by the type of network you configure. And of course by the max number of sessions in your NAT |
| 22:10.44 | BCMM | lcuk: i believe some routers have an actual limit that is reachable |
| 22:11.04 | BCMM | lcuk: as for how many before there isn't enough bandwidth, that really really depends on what you mean by "heavy" |
| 22:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | for all practical purposes I'd guess a few dozen clients is the maximum |
| 22:11.32 | lcuk | well bcmm, as i said irc chitchat rather than than downloading divs movies |
| 22:11.47 | lcuk | but it would be with udp multicast |
| 22:11.59 | BCMM | lcuk: for just irc, it's probably close to whatever the router supports... |
| 22:12.16 | lcuk | yeah BCMM i thought as much, i wonder about an adhoc session |
| 22:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget collisions |
| 22:12.25 | lcuk | and whether you can actually do full meshing |
| 22:12.28 | BCMM | i know nothing at all about ad-hoc |
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| 22:12.40 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, collisions? |
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| 22:12.46 | lcuk | ahh ip based? |
| 22:12.50 | lcuk | ie dhcp? |
| 22:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | at some point the number of retransmits will explode |
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| 22:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just media sharing |
| 22:13.14 | lcuk | retransmit is tcp |
| 22:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | medie here is RF |
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| 22:13.33 | lcuk | udp connectionless protocol |
| 22:13.46 | lcuk | do best to get through to everyone |
| 22:13.52 | lcuk | but those at the back might struggle to hear |
| 22:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | still on RF two clients may collide |
| 22:14.03 | lcuk | mesh would be better really |
| 22:14.08 | lcuk | rog |
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| 22:15.11 | BCMM | does the n900 do mesh networking? |
| 22:15.27 | lcuk | BCMM, it does adhoc (very well actually) |
| 22:15.32 | lcuk | but alas, i dont think true mesh |
| 22:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | and as there's no real collision detect on WLAN (as you can't receive the true media while you send) you need ACK from AP anyway |
| 22:15.50 | BCMM | yeah, noticed the ad-hoc support when trying to find wifi in a station |
| 22:15.58 | ManoftheSea | I thought I read the hardware would support mesh. |
| 22:16.02 | lcuk | BCMM, it might njust be a driver issue tho - i havent looked into how (for example) the OLPC does mesh |
| 22:16.09 | ManoftheSea | 802.11u, or something? |
| 22:16.22 | lcuk | yeah it will be protocol rather than specifics |
| 22:16.25 | lcuk | we have the radio to do it |
| 22:16.54 | crashanddie | is mesh worth it, really? |
| 22:16.56 | crashanddie | When you have 3g? |
| 22:16.57 | BCMM | any idea if it's capable (in hardware) of infrastructure mode? |
| 22:17.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, 3g isnt everywhere |
| 22:17.20 | ManoftheSea | and sometimes, you want to network with people nearby |
| 22:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, when the chip knows promiscuous mode and packet inject, you can do whatever you want |
| 22:17.28 | ManoftheSea | I know, a phone so you can talk to people next to you. |
| 22:17.31 | lcuk | and in large densely populated places you can get higher bandwidth over wifi |
| 22:17.37 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: and the n900 does? |
| 22:17.39 | crashanddie | ManoftheSea: in which case dhcpcd + ad-hoc should be sufficient |
| 22:17.42 | lcuk | crashanddie, sharing photos in back of mcdonalds |
| 22:17.56 | BCMM | by infrastructure mode, i mean acting as an access point |
| 22:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | moitor/promiscuous seems to work, though "only on chan 6" ;-P |
| 22:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | dunno about injection |
| 22:18.11 | lcuk | yes BCMM we have that now too afaik dont we |
| 22:18.16 | lcuk | no injection yet |
| 22:18.26 | lcuk | but i saw the chan 6 had been worked around with a kernel hack |
| 22:18.30 | crashanddie | lcuk: haven't checked up on infra mode lately |
| 22:18.32 | BCMM | you mean it does do AP mode? |
| 22:18.37 | crashanddie | lcuk: last I heard it didn't work yet |
| 22:18.54 | lcuk | BCMM, theres an app you can buy to do it isnt there? |
| 22:19.00 | lcuk | you buy it, it turns n900 into AP |
| 22:19.06 | lcuk | and all computers connect and use 3g |
| 22:19.10 | lcuk | cant remember name |
| 22:19.25 | lcuk | or am i wrong |
| 22:19.25 | BCMM | isn't taht just money for netfilter settings? |
| 22:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | and fries your CPU |
| 22:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:19.40 | lcuk | which app s it |
| 22:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | joghurtspot? |
| 22:19.53 | lcuk | BCMM, its money for a practical user friendly solution |
| 22:19.59 | BCMM | fair enough |
| 22:21.11 | BCMM | i'm not entirely clear as to the difference between infrastructure and ad-hoc |
| 22:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | adhoc is peer to peer |
| 22:21.34 | BCMM | i mean, what would the disadvantage be if one just put several machines on an ad-hoc, but the n900 was running DHCP and NAT? |
| 22:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | infra is with a central AP |
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| 22:22.00 | lcuk | BCMM, it may be thats exactly whats happening |
| 22:22.02 | MohammadAG_ | adhoc kills the battery |
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| 22:22.16 | lcuk | but moh is right, adhoc has no battery saving |
| 22:22.20 | MohammadAG_ | PSM doesn't function in adhoc... |
| 22:22.21 | MohammadAG_ | nvm |
| 22:22.30 | lcuk | waves @ moh |
| 22:22.33 | lcuk | \o |
| 22:22.40 | MohammadAG_ | waves back @ lcuk |
| 22:22.47 | lcuk | #/me remembers where tab complete it |
| 22:22.47 | lcuk | is |
| 22:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | well yoghurtspot is notorious to kill battery and melt the plastic case, no? |
| 22:23.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, somewhere, someone was using JoikuSpot and.... http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nuke-needs-to-be-bigger.jpg |
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| 22:32.37 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 22:34.00 | PhonicUK | MohammadAG, Did you ever get the keyboard to flash against mic amplitude? |
| 22:34.14 | MohammadAG | nope, haven't even touched it lol |
| 22:34.19 | PhonicUK | :P |
| 22:34.32 | MohammadAG | I wanted to make a UI in Qt Designer, but I think coding it from scratch is easier |
| 22:34.47 | MohammadAG | or I could just rip off one of lcuk's UIs :P |
| 22:34.53 | lcuk | PhonicUK, thats relatively simple to implement |
| 22:34.56 | PhonicUK | Qt Designer is really easy |
| 22:35.00 | PhonicUK | I know :P |
| 22:35.05 | lcuk | the problem is requiring root for changing the values |
| 22:35.14 | MohammadAG | Getting a date with terminal open on your phone is easier |
| 22:35.22 | PhonicUK | Mohammad and I where talking about it in at some length the other week |
| 22:35.27 | lcuk | well MohammadAG thats fine :) everything i code is open |
| 22:35.34 | MohammadAG | lcuk, lol was jk :P |
| 22:35.48 | lcuk | but its better if others get involved |
| 22:35.52 | MohammadAG | lcuk, most of the liq* apps are C++ right? |
| 22:35.56 | lcuk | raw c |
| 22:36.09 | MohammadAG | never really got the difference between C and C++ |
| 22:36.10 | lcuk | but obviously recently ive been playing with qt and python |
| 22:36.15 | MohammadAG | not my language though :P |
| 22:36.18 | PhonicUK | I wanna port a game ive written to C++/OGRE/OpenGL ES 2.0 |
| 22:36.25 | PhonicUK | massive amount of work tho :\ |
| 22:36.35 | MohammadAG | ask for help? :) |
| 22:36.42 | lcuk | well c++ came by wanting to make structs into classes and true objects |
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| 22:36.49 | lcuk | so CFront came around which did that |
| 22:36.55 | MohammadAG | uhuh |
| 22:36.59 | lcuk | it compiled C++ files to native c |
| 22:37.12 | MohammadAG | you lost me at structs |
| 22:37.17 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 22:37.31 | crashanddie | lcuk: so how could those become objects in c code then? |
| 22:37.47 | MohammadAG | magic, as steve jobs would say |
| 22:37.50 | lcuk | crashanddie, an object is just a struct |
| 22:37.51 | crashanddie | lcuk: wrapper functions around each struct, for each object.function() call? |
| 22:37.56 | lcuk | with a list of methods attached |
| 22:38.05 | PhonicUK | no, steve jobs would say "We're not letting developers do that on the iPhone" |
| 22:38.09 | crashanddie | lcuk: so that it would become function(object)? |
| 22:38.10 | lcuk | object.function(args); |
| 22:38.12 | lcuk | becomes |
| 22:38.22 | lcuk | class_function(object,args); |
| 22:38.32 | crashanddie | interesting |
| 22:38.35 | crashanddie | that actually works? |
| 22:38.36 | lcuk | theres nothing magic about OO programming |
| 22:38.38 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, doesn't the iPhone use ObjectC? which is similar to C? |
| 22:38.38 | lcuk | sure |
| 22:38.50 | PhonicUK | you can use C, C++ or Objective C |
| 22:39.01 | lcuk | a class is just a collection of methods related to a block of data |
| 22:39.03 | MohammadAG | meaning steave jobs didn't disallow it :P |
| 22:39.13 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: erhm, objective C isn't really like C, I mean, it's more related to C# than C |
| 22:39.17 | PhonicUK | an update for Chromium is out :D |
| 22:39.23 | PhonicUK | <3 C# |
| 22:39.25 | MohammadAG | I always thought C# was a typo |
| 22:39.33 | MohammadAG | googles it |
| 22:39.35 | crashanddie | it should've been |
| 22:39.39 | lcuk | microsoft java |
| 22:39.39 | PhonicUK | C# is an awesome language |
| 22:39.46 | PhonicUK | that would be J# :P |
| 22:39.50 | PhonicUK | which sucks |
| 22:39.51 | crashanddie | well, it is fun |
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| 22:40.08 | PhonicUK | I love the .NET framework |
| 22:40.11 | crashanddie | but doesn't really bring anything over C++ or Java to warrant going to C# |
| 22:40.13 | PhonicUK | and how everything is organized in namespaces |
| 22:40.18 | crashanddie | well, except if you like .NET |
| 22:40.26 | MohammadAG | tbh I started reading a C++ book in June last year |
| 22:40.26 | kalikiana | crashanddie, wrong. objetive-c is a strict superset of C, unlike C# it is not an entirely new language |
| 22:40.27 | lcuk | crashanddie, regarding c++ downgrades i would love to use cfront to have object.method() syntax |
| 22:40.30 | lcuk | its so much cleaner |
| 22:40.36 | MohammadAG | then I reached some stuff about unsinged and signed |
| 22:40.36 | crashanddie | kalikiana: aye, but in usage |
| 22:40.39 | MohammadAG | I got lost there |
| 22:40.55 | MohammadAG | about 50 pages into the book |
| 22:40.56 | PhonicUK | I wanna make something like PHP, but using Lua as the underlaying language |
| 22:40.57 | lcuk | unsigned and signed |
| 22:41.00 | crashanddie | lcuk: indeed |
| 22:41.19 | MohammadAG | unsinged was a typo :) |
| 22:41.20 | PhonicUK | and instead of storing files in the filesystem, I would have a massive database that stored the files+documents used by the webserver |
| 22:41.22 | crashanddie | lcuk: hey, if it works, I'm all for it |
| 22:41.23 | lcuk | MohammadAG, thats even easier if you know asm and binary representation of numbers |
| 22:41.23 | PhonicUK | the entire thing sandboxed |
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| 22:41.34 | MohammadAG | I have a calculator :P |
| 22:41.38 | crashanddie | lcuk: there's a moment where objects get easier to handle, quite simply |
| 22:41.45 | kalikiana | crashanddie, it depends on how you use it, like C++. you *can* use it to do exactly the same |
| 22:41.51 | MohammadAG | assembly language, oh |
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| 22:42.19 | lcuk | yup crashanddie |
| 22:42.29 | crashanddie | PhonicUK: try python |
| 22:42.30 | MohammadAG | then I learned about Qt, thought it would make programming like ms paint |
| 22:42.35 | MohammadAG | so I stopped reading the book |
| 22:42.36 | PhonicUK | crashanddie, why? |
| 22:42.37 | kalikiana | lol |
| 22:42.43 | MohammadAG | apparently I was wrong about the last part |
| 22:42.55 | lcuk | kalikiana, sure for your own codebase you can specify the format and grammar and scope of what you expect your teams to use |
| 22:43.05 | lcuk | but hitting a random c++ codebase can feel like a whole other language |
| 22:43.08 | crashanddie | PhonicUK: it has all those cheatingly easy shortcuts that programming languages should've had for ages, and just makes programming fun again |
| 22:43.19 | MohammadAG | never got the static and void parts too |
| 22:43.28 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: those are easy |
| 22:43.32 | PhonicUK | VB.Net is the language i use for fun stuff :P |
| 22:43.39 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, easy for you to say |
| 22:43.40 | PhonicUK | C# for serious stuff |
| 22:43.45 | lcuk | vb6 was my toy |
| 22:43.46 | PhonicUK | C++/C for really serious stuff |
| 22:43.50 | crashanddie | and which is why, PhonicUK, you'll never be taken seriously on this channel :) |
| 22:43.56 | crashanddie | (sarcasm flag raised) |
| 22:43.56 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:43.57 | PhonicUK | :P |
| 22:44.00 | lcuk | PhonicUK, vb.net and c# should be functionally equivilent? |
| 22:44.05 | PhonicUK | they are |
| 22:44.07 | crashanddie | equivalent even |
| 22:44.09 | lcuk | they both compile to the same intermediate binary |
| 22:44.12 | PhonicUK | theres bits of each i prefer though |
| 22:44.19 | PhonicUK | i prefer typecasting in C# |
| 22:44.19 | lcuk | likes the .net framework, i hate the IDE |
| 22:44.26 | crashanddie | equivilent == as evil one as the other |
| 22:44.36 | PhonicUK | i prefer interface and generic type handling in VB.Net |
| 22:44.39 | Macer | know what's funny. when the NFL is ok with guys who drive drunk and smash into people killing them |
| 22:44.40 | crashanddie | (or vile, if you prefer) |
| 22:44.47 | Macer | or fighting dogs until one dies for fun |
| 22:44.48 | PhonicUK | the C# syntax for both feel a bit tacked on and clunky |
| 22:44.55 | Macer | http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/nfl-marijuana-football-league-national-football-league-420-weed-shield-logo/ |
| 22:44.58 | Macer | but don't mess with their logo :) |
| 22:44.59 | crashanddie | Macer: we don't give a flying sod about nfl |
| 22:45.02 | Macer | hahaha |
| 22:45.11 | Macer | what's a sod? |
| 22:45.15 | PhonicUK | list<string> MyList = new list<string>; |
| 22:45.18 | Macer | is that euro for shit? |
| 22:45.23 | PhonicUK | dim MyList as new list(of sting) |
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| 22:45.37 | lcuk | yeah phonic |
| 22:45.45 | PhonicUK | i prefer the 2nd syntax |
| 22:45.54 | kalikiana | PhonicUK, use vala, then you get "dim" masked as "var" in C# style syntax ;-) |
| 22:46.16 | Macer | i have a credit on my damn comcast service.. how awesome is that |
| 22:46.19 | Macer | they owe ME money haha |
| 22:46.39 | PhonicUK | i hate PHP xD |
| 22:46.47 | PhonicUK | which is annoying, because its what I have to use full time at work :\ |
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| 22:47.17 | PhonicUK | x86 assembler is fun, in a masochistic kind of way |
| 22:47.28 | lcuk | ewww |
| 22:47.30 | lcuk | 68k ftw |
| 22:47.41 | PhonicUK | lol M68xxx's are fun |
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| 22:47.49 | PhonicUK | PICs are sorta fun but annoying |
| 22:47.53 | PhonicUK | ARM assembler is a pain |
| 22:48.00 | PhonicUK | SPARC assembler makes me want to tear my eyes out |
| 22:48.09 | lcuk | the nokia devices feel a lot like amigas to me |
| 22:48.16 | lcuk | multi chipset arch |
| 22:48.24 | lcuk | each should be pulling weight |
| 22:48.28 | PhonicUK | lcuk, I wanna run the ARM port of AROS on my N900 :) |
| 22:48.48 | Macer | aros haha |
| 22:48.59 | corecode_ | can we set up a gitorious repo with a proper kernel tree and branches for various additional features? |
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| 22:49.16 | corecode_ | right now it seems a bit complicated to follow all quick development |
| 22:49.24 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Or alternatively, all should be off, with one doing the work of them all. (in low usage scenarios) |
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| 22:50.13 | PhonicUK | anyone tried to play any of the Metal Slug games in SDLMAME? |
| 22:50.27 | MohammadAG | not me |
| 22:50.33 | Macer | metal slug! |
| 22:50.36 | PhonicUK | i loved those games |
| 22:50.46 | Macer | hell yeah :) metal slug X was the best |
| 22:50.50 | Macer | i miss neogeo |
| 22:50.55 | PhonicUK | high five for Metal Slug |
| 22:51.08 | Macer | samurai showdown iv was the best too |
| 22:51.22 | PhonicUK | gah everything looks small |
| 22:51.23 | PhonicUK | time to sleep |
| 22:51.31 | PhonicUK | does anyone else get that? |
| 22:51.45 | SpeedEvil | passes PhonicUK some binoculars. |
| 22:51.45 | PhonicUK | everything looks like its really small and far away (especially peoples heads) when they are tired |
| 22:51.50 | Macer | i thought openarena played very well |
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| 22:52.01 | PhonicUK | i found openarena a bitch to control :| |
| 22:52.07 | Macer | took me a while to realize it uses the phone as a directional pad |
| 22:52.13 | Macer | the whole leaning left and right thing |
| 22:52.14 | lcuk | >> im outahere |
| 22:52.18 | PhonicUK | i still haven't got quake 2 to start :\ |
| 22:52.29 | Macer | q2 was the horrible one |
| 22:52.30 | PhonicUK | sucks that it doesn't support OpenGL ES |
| 22:52.35 | lcuk | cyas later #maemo MohammadAG PhonicUK Macer DocScrutinizer etc |
| 22:52.37 | lcuk | \o |
| 22:52.37 | Macer | the first one and q3a were great |
| 22:52.41 | PhonicUK | cya lcuk |
| 22:52.47 | Macer | ioquake isn't using gl? |
| 22:52.51 | Macer | for quake 3? |
| 22:52.55 | PhonicUK | for quake 3 it is |
| 22:52.58 | Macer | oh |
| 22:53.02 | PhonicUK | for quake 1/2 its not |
| 22:53.03 | Macer | q2 sucked anyways :) |
| 22:53.06 | PhonicUK | Q1/Q2 is fun to play on my N97 :) |
| 22:53.12 | Macer | heh |
| 22:53.16 | MohammadAG | cya lcuk |
| 22:53.30 | Macer | q1 is a little dated.. i love q3.. openarena is actually pretty awesome as well |
| 22:53.37 | Macer | although i need to practice on the phone a bit more |
| 22:53.43 | Macer | it is hard for me to control it |
| 22:53.59 | PhonicUK | i can't find my Q3 disk |
| 22:54.05 | Macer | the leaning will take getting used to for a little bit but with a little practice i should be able to kick some ass |
| 22:54.07 | PhonicUK | are the controls the same as openarena? |
| 22:54.15 | Macer | i haven't tried straight q3 |
| 22:54.19 | Macer | only openarena |
| 22:54.32 | Macer | i can't find my disc either. i haven't used it in years |
| 22:54.40 | Macer | i'll just download one when i get the chance |
| 22:54.46 | PhonicUK | i find the controls in openarena very clunky |
| 22:54.51 | Macer | the leaning is odd |
| 22:54.53 | SpeedEvil | there is one obvious option. |
| 22:55.03 | SpeedEvil | That would fix this for most games. |
| 22:55.05 | Macer | i wanted to hook a mouse/kb up to it |
| 22:55.07 | PhonicUK | id prefer to use the accelerometer for free look, and the keyboard for movement |
| 22:55.10 | SpeedEvil | One n900 to control, one to play |
| 22:55.12 | Macer | and hook it up to the tv out |
| 22:55.20 | Macer | SpeedEvil: it isnt too bad |
| 22:55.28 | Macer | once you get used to the leaning around it's pretty good |
| 22:55.35 | Macer | but forward/backward is rather awkward though |
| 22:55.41 | Macer | maybe there should be a key to stop :) heh |
| 22:56.35 | Macer | looking up and down is kind of flakey too. i want to get a bt mouse and use my bt keyboard and mouse and hook it up to the tv out and roll around kicking ass in openarena on my tv using my phone |
| 22:56.47 | Macer | how awesome is that? almost as awesome as it would be if it had a cups port :) |
| 22:58.19 | PhonicUK | <3 transmission ^_^ |
| 22:58.32 | PhonicUK | does anyone else have their N900 doing torrenting duty overnight? |
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| 22:58.48 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: Mine sleeps at night. |
| 22:58.55 | Macer | PhonicUK: it has transmission? |
| 22:58.59 | Macer | how about rtorrent? :) |
| 22:59.00 | Macer | heh |
| 22:59.10 | Macer | that sounds like it would murder an n900 heh |
| 22:59.17 | PhonicUK | it works really well |
| 22:59.23 | Macer | poctures torrenting over tmob 3G :) |
| 22:59.25 | SpeedEvil | It's not _too_ bad - on wifi |
| 22:59.27 | Macer | pictures |
| 22:59.30 | PhonicUK | Macer, I tried that |
| 22:59.30 | SpeedEvil | it's pretty bad |
| 22:59.34 | PhonicUK | it works supprisingly well |
| 22:59.35 | Macer | PhonicUK: did it work? :) |
| 22:59.35 | SpeedEvil | it's pretty awful on 3g |
| 22:59.37 | Macer | hahaha |
| 22:59.40 | Macer | wow really? |
| 22:59.43 | Macer | that's a shock |
| 22:59.46 | PhonicUK | 45KB/s |
| 22:59.49 | SpeedEvil | you'll prolly need to stick it in the fridge. |
| 22:59.50 | Macer | oh |
| 22:59.52 | Macer | that's not too bad |
| 22:59.56 | PhonicUK | on 3G, not 3.5G |
| 22:59.57 | Macer | is there a gnutella client? |
| 23:00.07 | Macer | i hardly hit 3.5G |
| 23:00.18 | Macer | maybe if i am stationary in certain places in chicago but usually i'm on 3G |
| 23:00.23 | PhonicUK | ive never tried it on 3.5G, i hit my home wifi first xD |
| 23:00.31 | Macer | heh |
| 23:00.44 | PhonicUK | BBC iPlayer works well though :) |
| 23:01.13 | PhonicUK | and 4oD |
| 23:01.20 | PhonicUK | iTV Player doesn't work tho :( |
| 23:01.29 | SpeedEvil | wishes you could download shit properly. |
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| 23:01.46 | PhonicUK | SpeedEvil, I read that the wrong way :| |
| 23:01.52 | PhonicUK | what do you mean exactly anyways? |
| 23:01.56 | Macer | wtf is itv? |
| 23:01.57 | MohammadAG | TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) grrr |
| 23:01.57 | Macer | heh |
| 23:02.10 | Macer | MohammadAG: just get rid of 1 argument |
| 23:02.13 | PhonicUK | ITV is a British TV station |
| 23:02.15 | Macer | or put a proper } in |
| 23:02.18 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: My network is not always available |
| 23:02.22 | PhonicUK | aah |
| 23:02.29 | SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: I want to be able to download stuff to flash |
| 23:02.31 | MohammadAG | Macer, I'm not sure where that argument is |
| 23:02.31 | Macer | british tv? :) |
| 23:02.41 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Eddie Izard. |
| 23:02.44 | PhonicUK | yes, we have TV here in England :P |
| 23:02.49 | MohammadAG | orly? |
| 23:02.50 | Macer | do they show csi london or something? |
| 23:02.50 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 23:02.53 | PhonicUK | Also, the BBC stations have no advertisments :) |
| 23:02.56 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 23:02.56 | Macer | is there a csi london? |
| 23:02.57 | Macer | heh |
| 23:02.58 | PhonicUK | which is awesome |
| 23:03.00 | SpeedEvil | Macer: sort-of |
| 23:03.11 | SpeedEvil | forgets what it's called. |
| 23:03.15 | Macer | SpeedEvil: what do they call it? sherlock holmes? |
| 23:03.16 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:03.18 | PhonicUK | has anyone tried Open Remote Play? |
| 23:03.25 | Macer | i know there is a british law and order |
| 23:03.28 | PhonicUK | Johnathan Creek xD |
| 23:03.43 | Macer | it would be interesting if i understood british law :) |
| 23:03.49 | SpeedEvil | I can vaguely recall a sort of UK-CSI one |
| 23:03.56 | SpeedEvil | I forget the name though. |
| 23:04.05 | Macer | SpeedEvil: sherlock holmes! :-P |
| 23:04.07 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:04.12 | MohammadAG | TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) |
| 23:04.16 | MohammadAG | wonders what he removed |
| 23:04.25 | Macer | MohammadAG: a } |
| 23:04.27 | MohammadAG | prolly something that's actually important |
| 23:04.32 | MohammadAG | oh well, the dev can fix that |
| 23:04.37 | Macer | haha |
| 23:05.09 | MohammadAG | removed another argument and it's showing the same error |
| 23:05.21 | Macer | well you can't randomly remove them |
| 23:05.25 | MohammadAG | he can fix that too |
| 23:05.28 | Macer | haha |
| 23:05.35 | Macer | that's like winning the lottery :) |
| 23:05.40 | Macer | }! |
| 23:05.51 | PhonicUK | whats everyones N900 uptime? |
| 23:05.54 | Macer | ah well. going to play wii with my son. ttyl |
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| 23:06.06 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Oh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders |
| 23:06.07 | SpeedEvil | wave |
| 23:06.09 | PhonicUK | cya Macer |
| 23:06.11 | SpeedEvil | ot that |
| 23:06.13 | SpeedEvil | not |
| 23:06.17 | MohammadAG | TypeError: unbound method __init__() must be called with HeAboutDialog instance as first argument (got GtkButton instance instead) <-- yep I broke something |
| 23:06.25 | PhonicUK | I should get some sleep |
| 23:06.26 | PhonicUK | later all |
| 23:06.30 | MohammadAG | night PhonicUK |
| 23:06.34 | PhonicUK | n8 |
| 23:06.41 | Macer | i have 3 days |
| 23:06.46 | Macer | for my uptime |
| 23:06.48 | PhonicUK | same oddly enough xD |
| 23:06.51 | Macer | ok.. later ;) |
| 23:06.51 | PhonicUK | + 10 hours |
| 23:06.53 | Macer | WIIIIII |
| 23:07.07 | SpeedEvil | ponders a killer app. |
| 23:07.10 | SpeedEvil | A wii liar. |
| 23:07.12 | Macer | 03:07:19.00 |
| 23:07.14 | PhonicUK | trying to SSH my N900 is painful while its torrenting |
| 23:07.19 | SpeedEvil | You pair a wii remote with the n900 |
| 23:07.23 | Macer | 03:07:19:00 |
| 23:07.30 | SpeedEvil | you pair the n900 as a wii remote with the wii |
| 23:07.40 | Macer | SpeedEvil: can you do that?? |
| 23:07.41 | Macer | heh |
| 23:07.47 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.49 | SpeedEvil | you set a variable 'screw' - and you hand the other wii remote to your opponent |
| 23:07.51 | Macer | and shoved a ton of games on a usb hd |
| 23:07.54 | Macer | :) |
| 23:07.58 | SpeedEvil | In principle |
| 23:08.04 | PhonicUK | hahaha |
| 23:08.07 | PhonicUK | i can see where thats going |
| 23:08.11 | joga | hehe |
| 23:08.14 | PhonicUK | you know what would be cooler? |
| 23:08.19 | PhonicUK | the ability to record and playback movements :P |
| 23:08.23 | SpeedEvil | Or of course that |
| 23:08.25 | SpeedEvil | macros |
| 23:08.28 | Macer | hah |
| 23:08.36 | Macer | yeah but you can't connect a nunchuck to the n900 |
| 23:08.40 | Macer | :/ |
| 23:08.42 | joga | but it would need to control the human |
| 23:08.44 | joga | ;) |
| 23:08.45 | PhonicUK | can you connect a Wiimote? |
| 23:08.48 | lcuk | duct tape |
| 23:08.53 | lcuk | coughs and hides |
| 23:08.55 | PhonicUK | Ive connected one of my PS3 controllers, thats quite cool to do |
| 23:08.56 | Macer | lcuk: hahaha |
| 23:09.06 | joga | nunchuk connects to the wiimote |
| 23:09.08 | Macer | PhonicUK: find me nba live for n900 :-D |
| 23:09.15 | Macer | i love nba live |
| 23:09.16 | PhonicUK | if only the Playstation emulator was up to scratch... |
| 23:09.32 | PhonicUK | shame because theres an emu for the OpenPandora (same OMAP3 chip) that runs full speed |
| 23:09.40 | joga | how's openpandora doing? |
| 23:09.44 | Macer | PhonicUK: there is a such thing as an openpandora? |
| 23:09.48 | Macer | i thought that was vaporware :) |
| 23:09.51 | PhonicUK | no idea, i used to have a pandora preorder, but I cancelled it |
| 23:09.56 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:10.09 | Macer | when did you preorder? 20 years ago? |
| 23:10.13 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 23:10.17 | Macer | :) |
| 23:10.21 | PhonicUK | i had a preorder for about a year |
| 23:10.29 | Macer | touchbook was my lesson in pre-ordering |
| 23:10.33 | Macer | NEVER.... AGAIN |
| 23:10.34 | PhonicUK | i was position ~1500 ish in a queue of 4000 people |
| 23:10.49 | PhonicUK | I pre order games, but I don't think ill be preordering hardware again |
| 23:11.06 | Macer | PhonicUK: are they actually shipping them out? |
| 23:11.09 | PhonicUK | not yet |
| 23:11.13 | Macer | hahaha! |
| 23:11.16 | Macer | STILL?? |
| 23:11.19 | PhonicUK | they're not fully assembled yet xD |
| 23:11.28 | Macer | they must be making them by hand |
| 23:11.31 | PhonicUK | http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en |
| 23:11.32 | Macer | "hand crafted!" |
| 23:11.34 | Macer | heh |
| 23:11.49 | kalikiana | hence the term pre-order. like pre-historic, it's already dead but still talked about... |
| 23:11.53 | joga | I guess they had some misfortunate delays in the manufacturing and stuff, I remember seeing photos of chips that got busted in transit or something |
| 23:12.08 | PhonicUK | its been the ultimate nightmare of a project |
| 23:12.12 | PhonicUK | i hope they pull it off eventually |
| 23:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | weather fine here? |
| 23:12.30 | PhonicUK | I don't think i'll be getting one though |
| 23:12.38 | PhonicUK | my N900 does anything the pandora can |
| 23:12.43 | joga | and, well, now I have a cell phone that seems versatile enough, but when pandora was a new thing I thought it was pretty cool |
| 23:12.45 | PhonicUK | all it doesn't have is the gaming controls |
| 23:12.55 | Macer | so they are hand crafting them! |
| 23:12.57 | PhonicUK | now the pandoras hardware is looking a bit dated |
| 23:13.04 | Macer | i thoguht it was supposed to be a gaming thing |
| 23:13.06 | PhonicUK | when it first got announced it was really like, wow |
| 23:13.10 | Macer | like that was its intent :) |
| 23:13.17 | PhonicUK | it is a gaming thing |
| 23:13.22 | SpeedEvil | Macer: http://xkcd.com/644/ |
| 23:13.23 | PhonicUK | i was saying my N900 doesn't ahve gaming controls |
| 23:13.27 | Macer | oh |
| 23:13.31 | SpeedEvil | relevant xkcd is relevant. |
| 23:13.36 | Macer | PhonicUK: hook up a ps3 controller :) |
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| 23:13.43 | PhonicUK | way ahead of you :P |
| 23:13.45 | Macer | and tv out |
| 23:13.50 | PhonicUK | PS3 controller + TV Out + Dr Nok Nes |
| 23:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: (pandora) yeah, raster and me even planned to base a phone on that design :-D |
| 23:13.54 | Macer | haha |
| 23:13.58 | Macer | dr nok nes! |
| 23:14.10 | Macer | ah well. bbl. ;) take care.. going now |
| 23:14.10 | PhonicUK | or Picodrive |
| 23:14.20 | PhonicUK | I played Sonic 3 on a 60" TV not so long ago |
| 23:14.23 | PhonicUK | that was sweeeeeeeeeet |
| 23:15.04 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 23:15.11 | kalikiana | sonic the pixel hog |
| 23:15.18 | kalikiana | now with ultra big pixels |
| 23:15.30 | PhonicUK | pray tell SpeedEvil, what doth ye ponder upon? |
| 23:15.46 | joga | if only the pixels were made of something that looked like real material |
| 23:15.49 | ManoftheSea | Man, I can't stand CDMA carriers |
| 23:15.55 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 23:15.56 | ManoftheSea | Because with GSM, they give me a service. |
| 23:16.00 | PhonicUK | LEGO bricks xD |
| 23:16.01 | ManoftheSea | CDMA sell me a phone. |
| 23:16.03 | joga | yeah :) |
| 23:16.03 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is physically possible with current technology. |
| 23:16.15 | zash | Hoolxi: LEGO PIXELS FTW |
| 23:16.19 | PhonicUK | SpeedEvil, what about a A9 CPU? |
| 23:16.19 | joga | or stereoscopic pixels at least or something, and some texture on them |
| 23:16.21 | ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: smaller, bigger screen? |
| 23:16.21 | SpeedEvil | s/physically/economically/ |
| 23:16.24 | PhonicUK | Dual Core @ 1.2GHz |
| 23:16.29 | ManoftheSea | I'd want a crypto-engine. |
| 23:16.36 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: yes - at least half the size, with a 12" screen. |
| 23:16.37 | PhonicUK | maybe a higher resolution screen the same size |
| 23:16.41 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: tere is one |
| 23:16.45 | joga | I assume you've all seen the youtube video 8-bit trip by some swedish guys |
| 23:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fullsize screen *FUUL*size |
| 23:16.57 | ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: crypto-engine in the A8? |
| 23:17.05 | ManoftheSea | oh hell yes. |
| 23:17.15 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04318.html |
| 23:17.18 | SpeedEvil | et al |
| 23:17.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - that |
| 23:17.29 | ManoftheSea | If I actually owned an n900, ALL my traffic would be ipsec and ssl tunneled back to my home simply because I can. |
| 23:17.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: multitouch might be good |
| 23:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | no friggin bezel |
| 23:17.40 | ManoftheSea | But I'm only evaluating the n900 |
| 23:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | frame whatever |
| 23:18.05 | ManoftheSea | wait, only sha1 and md5? |
| 23:18.15 | ManoftheSea | What are you trying to pull, I thought you said it supported crypto |
| 23:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah, surface wave |
| 23:18.23 | PhonicUK | I want a screen that unfolds to be 1ft across |
| 23:18.37 | PhonicUK | and is 100000x300000 pixels in resolution |
| 23:18.39 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: I haven't read deeper. It may be just a hardware hasning unit |
| 23:18.40 | joga | why not 20 feet |
| 23:18.49 | PhonicUK | and a 4GHz octocore processor |
| 23:18.55 | kalikiana | PhonicUK, bad luck if it gets stuck in the car door |
| 23:18.56 | PhonicUK | and 2 weeks continual battery life |
| 23:19.09 | ManoftheSea | I like my gPC. It's a Via C-7, it's got some padlock thing... |
| 23:19.09 | joga | PhonicUK, so, you want to be an engineer then? ;) |
| 23:19.12 | SpeedEvil | Which is why I said physically and economically possible. |
| 23:19.21 | PhonicUK | joga, Arguably, I'm already an engineer :P |
| 23:19.27 | PhonicUK | my job title is "Software Engineer" |
| 23:19.27 | ManoftheSea | AES in hardware, two thermal RNGs |
| 23:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and, depending on what you're wiling to carry around for bat weight, built-in microprojector, also usable as a desktop virtual keyboard |
| 23:19.46 | PhonicUK | its almost ironic, because guess who I work for :P |
| 23:19.49 | joga | PhonicUK, I bet a hardware engineer is needed to get the display you want |
| 23:19.52 | joga | :) |
| 23:19.56 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 23:20.07 | ManoftheSea | Actually, I'd like a slightly larger battery. |
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| 23:20.11 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Or alternatively, an a4 sheet of paper, with a keyboard on itand the front camera. |
| 23:20.17 | ManoftheSea | 12 hours under routine use, 3 under constant use. |
| 23:20.24 | ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: you want an iPad? |
| 23:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | heh, not bad either |
| 23:20.28 | Termana | good morning |
| 23:20.42 | joga | ManoftheSea, hmm, I think it already lasts that long at least |
| 23:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you already patented it? ;-D |
| 23:20.49 | ManoftheSea | joga: that's what I'm seeing. |
| 23:20.51 | ManoftheSea | I want more. |
| 23:21.03 | PhonicUK | I really should sleep |
| 23:21.04 | PhonicUK | later all |
| 23:21.06 | joga | my routine use without heavy load is something I can do for probably 3 days |
| 23:21.10 | ManoftheSea | Course... I also wanted to buy solar panals and a LiIon pack, with a USB charger. |
| 23:21.22 | ManoftheSea | Leave the panels in the sun, come back to my car and plug it in, etc. |
| 23:21.25 | SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: The ipad is too heavy. |
| 23:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: HDMI and a nice visor |
| 23:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | with eyetracking |
| 23:21.35 | ManoftheSea | joga: 3 days on the same charge? |
| 23:21.37 | SpeedEvil | It's 0.7Kg. |
| 23:21.37 | PhonicUK | N900 would be awesome with HDMI out |
| 23:21.55 | ManoftheSea | HDMI? Isn't that some DRM? You can't have that on Linux! |
| 23:22.06 | joga | ManoftheSea, yeah, I just used it for almost 2 days while ircing and using gps and maps quite a bit, and surfing occasionally |
| 23:22.10 | SpeedEvil | For 1.1Kg, I had a 8 hour battery life laptop, that had a nice keyboard, trackstick, and the same size of screen. |
| 23:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not the ones they got in mission impossible ;-P |
| 23:22.19 | SpeedEvil | Mg/Al case |
| 23:22.21 | ManoftheSea | joga: how? I can't get it to last one day, even if I don't use it. |
| 23:22.33 | ManoftheSea | is there a firmware update I might need to do? |
| 23:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 3D!!! the KILLER FEATURE |
| 23:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | nad SOOO simple |
| 23:23.38 | MohammadAG | <PhonicUK> N900 would be awesome with HDMI out |
| 23:23.40 | MohammadAG | host mode! |
| 23:23.44 | SpeedEvil | For proper 3d, they need to get with the fleshlight people. |
| 23:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 23:23.46 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 23:23.50 | joga | ManoftheSea: I dunno, the only two semi-active widgets I have are omweather and some rss ticker, and they only do it like every 4 hours, I've disabled the vibration response on the touchscreen, and not much else I guess |
| 23:23.53 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Indeed - I want composite in too. |
| 23:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode -worth nuttin! |
| 23:24.02 | MohammadAG | why :( |
| 23:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:24.12 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah, composite's good for me |
| 23:24.20 | ManoftheSea | I just recently disabled the vibration... Since starting the motor is the largest drain on current. |
| 23:24.21 | MohammadAG | thought you lost hope or something lol |
| 23:24.25 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: So I can hook up really sensitive security cam to the n900 and see in IR |
| 23:24.27 | ManoftheSea | I'll see how it affects it. |
| 23:24.30 | joga | ManoftheSea: also I don't stay logged in to skype unless I'm using wireless, 3G+skype seems to hog some |
| 23:24.37 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, tbh I want lasers |
| 23:25.01 | joga | ManoftheSea: and if I want to save it even more, I put the screen to its dimmest and just use gsm |
| 23:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | laser driven micro projector |
| 23:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | no focusing |
| 23:25.26 | ManoftheSea | I'm on at&t |
| 23:25.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just a 200mW laser |
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| 23:25.42 | ManoftheSea | Like I said, I'm only borrowing it. So I took my pre-existing SIM |
| 23:25.49 | SpeedEvil | lasers are not magic |
| 23:25.53 | SpeedEvil | they have diffraction |
| 23:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: three! red, green, blue |
| 23:26.12 | SpeedEvil | sees four lights. |
| 23:26.36 | ManoftheSea | I want front camera during skype calls. |
| 23:26.41 | lcuk | do not look into laser with remainging eye |
| 23:26.47 | pupnik | LOL |
| 23:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 23:27.10 | joga | ManoftheSea: also, I've seen some bad behavior from hildon-home (or -desktop, can't remember), where whenever I click the lock switch and the desktop is displayed, it starts computing something for a few seconds until it becomes responsive. it's some known bug I hope will be fixed, or some problem with a certain widget because rebooting resolves it until it appears again (maybe when they're updated?) |
| 23:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | well most of my right eye still functioning well. Just the dark spot up there on the right border of vision |
| 23:27.46 | joga | so I keep a cpu/mem statusbar thingy there and I can see if something is using cycles a lot |
| 23:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | but then that was a 3W green |
| 23:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | not a silly 200mW |
| 23:28.19 | ManoftheSea | I've had trouble with hildon freezing too. |
| 23:28.33 | ManoftheSea | Usually right around 3 days uptime. |
| 23:28.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, or all three together |
| 23:29.07 | SpeedEvil | http://www.moillusions.com/2006/03/find-your-blind-spot-trick.html |
| 23:29.13 | MohammadAG | no thanks |
| 23:29.15 | SpeedEvil | random eye-related |
| 23:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | aah for me |
| 23:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | I got 2 blind spots in my right eye :-D |
| 23:29.40 | MohammadAG | oh expected something with lasers lol |
| 23:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | if they would adapt that thing for me? |
| 23:30.34 | MohammadAG | that was disturbing x.x |
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| 23:30.43 | MohammadAG | I felt 3 spots o.O |
| 23:30.50 | ManoftheSea | I'd like other kinds of commo on my n900... Maybe a walky-talky feature? |
| 23:31.06 | MohammadAG | with my glasses on I always saw it |
| 23:31.11 | SpeedEvil | push-talk would be a good app |
| 23:31.28 | MohammadAG | donates to SpeedEvil, make one! |
| 23:32.08 | MohammadAG | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars lol |
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| 23:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | PTT is a standard app of most carriers |
| 23:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | just nobody needs it |
| 23:33.16 | SpeedEvil | encrypted ptt might be fun |
| 23:33.22 | MohammadAG | obviously orange isn't one of those most |
| 23:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:33.29 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it is handy in some cases |
| 23:33.39 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: wherever you'd use a walky-talky. |
| 23:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, how is it better than a conference? |
| 23:33.56 | SpeedEvil | no continuous call |
| 23:34.00 | SpeedEvil | can be cheaper |
| 23:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | true |
| 23:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | more power saving |
| 23:34.30 | ManoftheSea | I'd want walky-talky that didn't touch the cell net. |
| 23:34.44 | ManoftheSea | I'd also liek a pony |
| 23:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | though no-TX-on-silence should do reasonably well for power conservation |
| 23:34.55 | MohammadAG | throws a pony at ManoftheSea |
| 23:35.38 | ManoftheSea | is it UHF radio? |
| 23:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | sends B52 with 3 megatons ponies |
| 23:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | is WHAT a UHF? |
| 23:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | or "what is IT"? |
| 23:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: basically a GSM conference with all the power saving option in place on the phones *is* automatic/VOX PTT |
| 23:38.22 | ManoftheSea | walkie-talkie, generally UHF radio |
| 23:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | a walkietalkie can be several things, from 27MHz CB to 886MHz digital |
| 23:39.18 | MohammadAG | or two cups with a string between them |
| 23:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | there are several standards |
| 23:39.29 | opdf2 | anyone using a brodit holder with proclip addon? |
| 23:39.41 | opdf2 | thinkin of gettin it... |
| 23:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using a flux capacitor |
| 23:40.06 | MohammadAG | reminds DocScrutinizer to check his /queries |
| 23:41.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: and yes - but often conf calls are expensive to setup |
| 23:41.20 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: also - FM TX/RX are a walkie-talkie too. |
| 23:41.38 | SpeedEvil | (just that you might as well talk normally, it has more range) |
| 23:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | far more |
| 23:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | still it might come in handy for usecases where you *want* a small range: NFC for pairing etc |
| 23:44.21 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 23:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | you seen the "take two phones and shake them" for generating a shared secret? :-D |
| 23:45.22 | SpeedEvil | I love that. |
| 23:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | that genius |
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| 23:47.24 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I assume you have taken the precautionary measures and put this sign up? http://ptbuggy.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/flux-capacitor.jpeg |
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| 23:59.07 | MohammadAG | frals, any idea why you got 1 thumbs down on fMMS |
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