| 00:00.12 | javispedro | but as soon as I plug the n900 into the hub as a gadget, interrupt storm. |
| 00:00.12 | javispedro | whatever the musb driver state. |
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| 00:00.31 | javispedro | thinks this will require now careful reading of the isp170x datasheets |
| 00:00.56 | markinfo | standard browser in OS2008 sends User Agent: Firefox 3.0 |
| 00:01.23 | genewitch | is there a way to reinstall stuff like the browser or the feed reader? |
| 00:01.26 | markinfo | is there a chance for firefox 3.6? |
| 00:01.31 | kthomas_vh | kthomas_vh: reinstall the microbe-engine deb package using dpkg. |
| 00:02.15 | markinfo | I heard about Fenec browser. |
| 00:02.42 | genewitch | none of the browsers work for me except the stock one in os2008 |
| 00:02.49 | genewitch | midori and the other webkit one |
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| 00:03.25 | markinfo | Who is doing software for OS2008 at all? Or preparig packages? |
| 00:03.32 | genewitch | no idea |
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| 00:06.38 | markinfo | are there some maintainers like in Debian? |
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| 00:08.57 | markinfo | genewitch, midori is very old version in repositories. |
| 00:10.18 | MohammadAG | javispedro, so... host mode didn't work for you? |
| 00:10.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I'm just trying to break it, nothing new. |
| 00:13.53 | markinfo | and webkit is also very old version from 2008 year. |
| 00:14.32 | markinfo | is there a way how to get newer versions of programs on n810? |
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| 00:24.10 | javispedro | hey, at least, I broke charging already. |
| 00:24.19 | markinfo | genewitch, Fennec browser on n810 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMBp9uFf3s&feature=related |
| 00:26.47 | lcuk | supposing i have written a simple app in python |
| 00:27.07 | lcuk | it cleanly uses pyqt api and has class based structure |
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| 00:27.28 | lcuk | is it possible to examine the python execution model and produce a c++ representation of that code |
| 00:27.47 | lcuk | for clean compilation and transfer to a regular fast c++ binary |
| 00:28.12 | janneg | lcuk: there's shedskin |
| 00:28.20 | lcuk | ? |
| 00:28.22 | lcuk | an app? |
| 00:28.35 | janneg | it probably can't handle pyqt |
| 00:28.36 | lcuk | :D |
| 00:28.44 | lcuk | well that can be examined |
| 00:28.49 | janneg | it's an restricted python to C++ compiler |
| 00:28.51 | lcuk | ive got code here that needs to be native |
| 00:28.57 | lcuk | i can grep the resulting stuff and fix it |
| 00:29.06 | lcuk | but i want the basic structure to come from it |
| 00:29.15 | lcuk | nice, thanks for the tip jenn |
| 00:29.18 | lcuk | janneg, |
| 00:29.36 | janneg | http://shed-skin.blogspot.com/ |
| 00:29.59 | lcuk | yeah im on there now |
| 00:30.16 | lcuk | thats a really good tip :) im gonna post it on the python speedups page |
| 00:30.34 | lcuk | its not a solution for everything, but if it saves the "getting started" part of converting a slow branch |
| 00:30.37 | lcuk | it will be worth it |
| 00:30.59 | Myrtti | right, I'm officially calling my attempts to do HD video editing on my Dell Latitude Laptop with Linux applications vain and futile... |
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| 00:31.52 | Myrtti | sorry if I've kept people waiting for the Linux Collaboration Summit Meego Workgroup videos |
| 00:35.05 | markinfo | what is /pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/1.9.2_en-US/dists/chinook/ "chinook" like squeeze in debian? |
| 00:37.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 - todays 'hacking is cool' post. Truly small fly. |
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| 00:41.55 | Myrtti | markinfo: it's like hardy/intrepid/jaunty etc in Ubuntu (the comparison to Ubuntu in this sense fits better since Maemo certainly isn't a rolling release thing) |
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| 00:46.03 | markinfo | hm - I have OS2008 - that is not "chinook" ? |
| 00:47.04 | MohammadAG | diablo |
| 00:47.09 | MohammadAG | iirc |
| 00:51.10 | javispedro | OS2008 is chinook, OS2008 Feature Pack is Diablo |
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| 00:54.31 | Termana | good morning |
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| 01:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? quiet earth? |
| 01:17.44 | MohammadAG | echo |
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| 01:30.05 | MohammadAG | i'm off |
| 01:30.08 | MohammadAG | Night all |
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| 01:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | goodnight |
| 01:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 01:52.52 | dAnIeLLL | ^^ |
| 01:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | vv |
| 01:55.34 | GAN900 | Myrtti, it's OK, even roblimo agrees. |
| 01:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | EHLO GAN900 |
| 01:56.39 | GAN900 | Howdy, DocScrutinizer. |
| 01:56.42 | GAN900 | How's kicks? |
| 01:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | powerbutton borked - - - pissed |
| 01:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | though I learn how to engage it even while it's messed up |
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| 02:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: pondering to get a devel device dedicated to messing around with host mode -watching your karma and thinking "screw it" |
| 02:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how tmo is contributing to friggin karma, or if karma is a worthwhile currency for anything at all |
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| 02:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | anyway swamped... cya |
| 02:06.45 | javispedro | bah. |
| 02:06.56 | javispedro | this is too hard |
| 02:07.03 | GAN900 | lol |
| 02:07.28 | GAN900 | javispedro, use your council powers to extort the required info from Nokia! |
| 02:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 02:07.58 | javispedro | so I set up the isp1707 registers conveniently |
| 02:08.06 | javispedro | disabling DM and DP pull downs, |
| 02:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | sorry dudes, seems I'm not able to keep up with it |
| 02:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | right now |
| 02:08.34 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Any change in impedence/voltage? |
| 02:08.35 | javispedro | and after a few picoseconds the entire phy shuts off, and all I get while trying to use ulpi are timeouts |
| 02:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: waht?? |
| 02:08.40 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 02:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | friggin shit |
| 02:09.24 | shinkamui | hmm |
| 02:09.28 | shinkamui | things are looking great |
| 02:09.39 | shinkamui | at this point, I think Im gonna port over to tmobile US and buy the mugen battery |
| 02:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | shinkamui: sure |
| 02:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | shinkamui: fine |
| 02:09.56 | shinkamui | docscrutinizer whats wrong G? |
| 02:10.15 | shinkamui | did I miss something interesting? |
| 02:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | +q or reasonable contribution? |
| 02:11.02 | shinkamui | well, Im asking, I just logged into my bnc to chatter a little and you seem to be a little sarcastic |
| 02:11.07 | shinkamui | so Im wondering if I said something wrong |
| 02:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | naAAAH g'nite |
| 02:11.13 | javispedro | :) |
| 02:11.19 | javispedro | gnite. |
| 02:11.23 | shinkamui | lol, ok then gnight |
| 02:11.24 | Myrtti | GAN900: agrees on what? |
| 02:11.35 | GAN900 | Myrtti, that Linux video editing sucks. |
| 02:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: please either post to friggin tmo, or ping me tomorrow |
| 02:11.47 | GAN900 | Myrtti, what he told me at FLS, anyway. |
| 02:11.49 | shinkamui | so... has anyone used the jawbone icon yet? |
| 02:12.16 | shinkamui | I hate bt headsets, but I really think wiht that + my 900, I found a winning combo |
| 02:12.31 | shinkamui | my 8month cellular turnaround might be over... |
| 02:12.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: will do |
| 02:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 02:13.33 | Myrtti | GAN900: I did honestly try to give some apps a fair shot. My laptop just had an apoplexy and decided that it didn't want to play ball |
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| 02:15.19 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile council might consider to support my yet to come application at Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue |
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| 02:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'm fed up with borking hardware, and my daily phone failing when I need it |
| 02:16.35 | shinkamui | doc: whats happening? |
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| 02:17.47 | SpeedEvil | His button fell off. |
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| 02:19.38 | shinkamui | roh noes! |
| 02:19.48 | shinkamui | power button? |
| 02:20.00 | shinkamui | damn |
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| 05:50.36 | tekojo | Morning Maemo! |
| 05:50.58 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 05:51.02 | Dima_Sharihin | Morning =) |
| 05:52.10 | reggna | :) |
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| 05:58.44 | ossipena | hi i have a astupid question: how do you add your software to bugzilla |
| 05:59.07 | Stskeeps | asking andre usually |
| 06:00.14 | opdf2 | sometimes i play movies on a tv from my n900. Is there a way to control the playback with a wiimote? |
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| 06:00.30 | ossipena | Stskeeps thanks for the info |
| 06:00.50 | ossipena | just found a correct wiki page |
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| 06:10.33 | Manjiri | Hi |
| 06:10.50 | Manjiri | How does one install a .deb on N900\ |
| 06:12.14 | Manjiri | I have compiled a test application into a debian package with target armel. I have copied the debian package to my N900 from my PC |
| 06:12.22 | Manjiri | How do I install it |
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| 06:13.10 | Dima_Sharihin | sudo dpkg -i your_package.deb? |
| 06:14.21 | Manjiri | it asks for root password |
| 06:14.24 | Manjiri | ? |
| 06:14.33 | ossipena | sudo gainroot |
| 06:14.40 | ossipena | after that dpkg .... |
| 06:14.50 | Manjiri | How do I install rootsh? |
| 06:14.58 | ossipena | use HAM |
| 06:15.03 | ossipena | application manager |
| 06:16.06 | Manjiri | I am having trouble getting updates from the App manager |
| 06:16.20 | Manjiri | So I downloaded the rootsh.install file |
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| 06:16.53 | ossipena | you have to use application manager I think |
| 06:16.54 | Manjiri | I tried to click on it to install, it opens app manager |
| 06:17.03 | Manjiri | and I get unable to find package |
| 06:17.05 | Manjiri | error |
| 06:17.29 | ossipena | do you have connection to internet? |
| 06:17.36 | Manjiri | yes wifi |
| 06:18.01 | ossipena | there is something wrong with your application manager then |
| 06:18.04 | TTilus | finally got bt keyboard working properly |
| 06:18.09 | Manjiri | Do I need to make any connection settings in app manager ? |
| 06:18.31 | ossipena | there is no such settings |
| 06:18.53 | Manjiri | Coz when I say 'update' from app manager, it throws proxy auth required ... |
| 06:19.13 | ossipena | theres your problem:network |
| 06:19.29 | Manjiri | I am able to browse sites though |
| 06:19.34 | ossipena | do you use proxy? |
| 06:19.37 | Manjiri | yes |
| 06:19.48 | ossipena | http is different than app manager |
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| 06:20.09 | ossipena | so the problem is that ham doesnt like your connection |
| 06:20.15 | Manjiri | I have set proxy details in internet connections |
| 06:20.18 | Manjiri | ohh |
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| 06:21.54 | ossipena | the proxy probably restricts the connectivity of ham |
| 06:22.36 | Manjiri | Is there no offline way to install apps? |
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| 06:25.08 | opdf2 | anyone change the softvol of mplayer? is 400 safe? |
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| 06:44.16 | zokier | Manjiri, dpkg can install apps from .deb packages |
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| 06:45.05 | opdf2 | nm yes it is safe |
| 06:45.48 | opdf2 | soo... I was thinking of mapping sftp drive to n900 media folders for wireless sync, but since the eMMC is still mounted, is that safe? |
| 06:46.18 | Manjiri | I know, but I either need pwd or rootsh installed |
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| 07:05.53 | alterego | Depressing |
| 07:06.19 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 07:07.13 | fraggeln | anyone using fmms with 3(Sweden) ? |
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| 07:11.03 | alterego | UK Politics :) |
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| 07:17.37 | RST38h | ...and good mourning to you all |
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| 07:19.15 | Stskeeps | double paste |
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| 07:43.14 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=647513&postcount=761 |
| 07:43.22 | Stskeeps | scary, they're actually pulling some form of usb host off |
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| 07:43.42 | alterego | scary? :P |
| 07:43.52 | Stskeeps | you should read the discussions |
| 07:43.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 07:45.14 | alterego | Yeah, I'll wait until they get it working before I start messing with the most important connector on the device :D |
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| 07:46.53 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, if it gets to a working state we need to poke Nokia :P |
| 07:47.01 | ShadowJK | about bme |
| 07:47.25 | Stskeeps | i'm more pondering if the usb host advertisement was actually a challenge to recruit people |
| 07:47.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:47.48 | ShadowJK | ah well |
| 07:47.59 | ShadowJK | Might also be an idea to check out how far the Droid people got with host mode |
| 07:48.08 | ShadowJK | iirc they were also having problems |
| 07:48.45 | RST38h | heya ShadowJK, Stskeeps |
| 07:48.49 | RST38h | Evil USB hackers |
| 07:51.27 | Dima_Sharihin | I want usb host!!! =) |
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| 07:52.02 | tybollt | o_O Stskeeps usb host? what what? |
| 07:53.08 | fraggeln | is there a videocamera app for the n900? |
| 07:53.28 | ShadowJK | a what? |
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| 07:55.22 | tybollt | sjk: I'm gussing fraggeln means the camcorder mode of the camera app :-) |
| 07:57.11 | ShadowJK | I was going to ask if he means something that does exactly the same thing as the camera app.. |
| 07:57.34 | tybollt | =) |
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| 07:57.55 | tybollt | admitedly it's not very easy to "find" the camcorder mode... |
| 07:58.13 | tybollt | it's not super obvious |
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| 08:17.58 | N900evil | I don't think much of the new government. My DSL fell over at 9am. |
| 08:18.25 | asj | you guys formed a govt? |
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| 08:19.42 | tybollt | huh |
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| 08:25.22 | tybollt | no they did not |
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| 08:26.24 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Stskeeps: fun |
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| 08:28.08 | SpeedEvil | If the vusb wasn't from the 1707 - then I can't imagine it had a stable vcc |
| 08:28.14 | SpeedEvil | vusb |
| 08:28.31 | SpeedEvil | If the boost cap of the twl4030 isn't there - it can't provide any boost |
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| 08:32.06 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=647624&postcount=762 |
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| 08:32.35 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://tinyurl.com/nnt34l , ' |
| 08:32.35 | Stskeeps | Senior Electronics Engineer, MeeGo UI HW Techologies team |
| 08:32.36 | Stskeeps | ' |
| 08:32.42 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: might be of interest to you (go look at it) |
| 08:33.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: indeed |
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| 08:34.31 | Dima_Sharihin | If this is the case, then VBUS is going to be very low - under 3V? || Can we connect +5V on VBUS directly? |
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| 08:47.27 | SpeedEvil | yes, easily |
| 08:47.29 | SpeedEvil | externally |
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| 08:51.23 | adisbladis | How can i get screen locking disabled while charging? |
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| 08:51.42 | SpeedEvil | there is a 'screen stays on when charging' |
| 08:52.15 | adisbladis | That is screen stays lit |
| 08:52.19 | adisbladis | I want the screen lock disabled |
| 08:52.37 | tybollt | far as I know - no such thing |
| 08:52.52 | TigerTael | 3rd party app? |
| 08:53.13 | adisbladis | TigerTael: Do you know of any? |
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| 08:53.44 | TigerTael | not me ;/ |
| 08:53.48 | SpeedEvil | adisbladis: ah - I don't have lock on |
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| 09:00.18 | ShadowJK | Also, DocScrutinizer tested and proved we can get stable +5V onto VBUS from the battery charger chip (bq24150) |
| 09:01.10 | ShadowJK | However, bme wants to have nothing of it, and kills it pretty soon. And if you halt bme, the system reboots pretty soon. |
| 09:01.24 | RichardP | does anyone else have issues with the N900 and wifi? it connects to the router fine, but after a while just stops working - says its still connected, but MicroB cant load pages etc. disconnecting and reconnecting the wifi works for a time and then it stops again. no other system is having this issue with the same router |
| 09:01.47 | ShadowJK | Hopefully if the USB side starts working, we can convince sts to go jab some nokia people to let us have a bme that allows us to run the battery charger in reverse :D |
| 09:01.49 | tybollt | RichardP: Yes, yes indeed |
| 09:02.11 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: indeed. |
| 09:02.28 | tybollt | sjk: Run the battery charger in reverse? What in the name of hell are you on to? |
| 09:02.30 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: But that's quite irrelevant for testing, as you can simply apply 5v externally |
| 09:02.40 | tybollt | sjk |
| 09:02.46 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: the battery charger has a output voltage boost mode |
| 09:02.49 | ShadowJK | I have something similar, where if I'm in weak signal, microb will think it's offline and everything else keeps working with lag |
| 09:03.13 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: where it takes the battery voltage and outputs it on USB boosted, not charges the battery |
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| 09:03.29 | ShadowJK | tybollt, as it happens the battery charger chip (in N900) has a bonus feature... it can take battery voltage and output +5V :-) |
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| 09:04.22 | ShadowJK | As opposed to the usual operation of taking +5V and making it into 3.2 ... 4.2V and putting it into the battery :) |
| 09:04.28 | SpeedEvil | This is an inherent design of the chip, and requires no extra components |
| 09:04.29 | tybollt | oh |
| 09:04.45 | tybollt | so turbo-charging the bat? |
| 09:05.12 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 09:05.26 | SpeedEvil | it's simply using it to supply the external USB socket for host/otg mode |
| 09:05.33 | SpeedEvil | (or designed to) |
| 09:05.38 | tybollt | ah olrite |
| 09:05.45 | SpeedEvil | OTG of course can't work here. |
| 09:06.22 | tybollt | I thought (admittedly didn't research this) there were pins/wires missing for the full kahuna? |
| 09:06.28 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 09:06.30 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 09:06.33 | ShadowJK | full kahuna being OTG |
| 09:06.38 | SpeedEvil | OTG can't work - there isn't enough pins |
| 09:06.41 | ShadowJK | but nobody gives a shit about OTH |
| 09:06.46 | ShadowJK | OTG* |
| 09:06.49 | SpeedEvil | USB host mode doesn't mind |
| 09:06.58 | tybollt | it depends? *HEADEXPLODE* |
| 09:06.58 | ShadowJK | The special cables are damn near impossible to find anyway :) |
| 09:07.01 | SpeedEvil | THERE ARE FOUR WIRES! |
| 09:07.05 | SpeedEvil | (sorry) |
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| 09:08.06 | tybollt | so ol it requires is the firmware of the chip be fixed and a magic cable and ... I can haz? |
| 09:08.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:08.28 | tybollt | ok, is it known whether stskeeps has a paypal account? ;) |
| 09:08.37 | Stskeeps | i don't take bribes |
| 09:08.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:08.42 | tybollt | ;D |
| 09:08.42 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps isn't the only one working on it. |
| 09:09.05 | SpeedEvil | For $100, I'd dedicate the next week to it :) |
| 09:09.21 | Stskeeps | if there's community work showing that usb host can happen with minimal change to a closed source process, i really doubt there would be resistance to making a patch and releasing the binary. |
| 09:09.31 | bibounefr_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6LjxiSzgG8&NR=1 |
| 09:10.04 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, "minimal" is debatable :) |
| 09:10.11 | tybollt | serious note though... as someone (you?) wrote it... There's the USB spec thing. Nokia may get in trouble if doing this - right? |
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| 09:10.36 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: for user-contributed firmware not distributed on the device - clearly not |
| 09:10.51 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: For example - there is already an overclock kernel in extras-devel |
| 09:11.00 | SpeedEvil | there is no reason a usb-host kernel couldn't pop up |
| 09:11.07 | RichardP | yay, Hung Parliament |
| 09:11.14 | SpeedEvil | RichardP: All of them? |
| 09:11.18 | SpeedEvil | RichardP: Way to go! |
| 09:11.22 | SpeedEvil | RichardP: The lords too? |
| 09:12.01 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.23 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: house of lords changed names - didn't you hear? house of corrupts now ;) |
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| 09:13.17 | tybollt | and no I reckon as soon as clegg gets brown to step down he'll rule w/ the labour |
| 09:13.35 | tybollt | ehr, govern... |
| 09:14.00 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, it depends on how bme is structured... but seeing as it likes to grope the charger chip constantly, modifying it to if(!bq24150.boostmode){ grope(); grope(); poke(); nudge(); stroke(); coo(); } else { /* Community is taking their turn, hmpfh */ } would work ;) |
| 09:14.08 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: labour + libdem does not quite equal a majority |
| 09:14.30 | tybollt | eah it doesn't |
| 09:14.31 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Or of course rip BME out by the hairs. |
| 09:14.31 | tybollt | ouch |
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| 09:15.04 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: You can add the scottish and welsh nats, and get a majority - but... |
| 09:15.05 | ShadowJK | The idea of a single party having more than 50% is a frightening thought to me :P |
| 09:15.15 | tybollt | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 09:15.20 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: my main reason for assuming it might work is that nokians were using usb host in the past themselves :P |
| 09:15.37 | Stskeeps | ie, as users |
| 09:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: source? |
| 09:15.48 | ShadowJK | oh I suppose it's just the driver that's sabotaged then :) |
| 09:15.53 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: oh - not with n900? |
| 09:15.57 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: not on n900 |
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| 09:17.21 | Stskeeps | the other issue is, how would you deal with charging? needing a reboot or? |
| 09:17.23 | tybollt | anyway looking at the percentage vs the seats it is quite gross (that being said by someone in a country w/ proportional system). |
| 09:17.46 | tybollt | Stskeeps: insmod? |
| 09:17.48 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: replacing BME would be one way |
| 09:17.53 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: yes. |
| 09:18.01 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: it's not a completely 'fair' system |
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| 09:18.14 | ShadowJK | replacing bme looks a bit complicated, even fucking pulseaudio is talking to it? |
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| 09:18.34 | ShadowJK | (yeah I know you'll say rip out pulseaudio..) |
| 09:18.39 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 09:18.48 | SpeedEvil | Is there an actual good reason for that though |
| 09:18.48 | Stskeeps | that sounds a bit weird if it does |
| 09:18.53 | SpeedEvil | well |
| 09:18.54 | Stskeeps | unless there's a power saving algo for that |
| 09:18.56 | BCMM | tybollt: if somebody has to form a coalition with libdems, they are almost certain to make it conditional on PR |
| 09:18.59 | SpeedEvil | if pulseaudio is open - surely it is - ... |
| 09:19.05 | BCMM | (or to put it another way, we're working on that...) |
| 09:19.11 | tybollt | can't we just buy Jaaksi a boatload of KARHU and while he's busy getting drunk we go to ESPOO and implement this? |
| 09:19.42 | SpeedEvil | wonders if pulseaudio is open to do charger beep or something silly |
| 09:19.45 | Stskeeps | i don't think espoo's the right place to go |
| 09:19.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:19.47 | ShadowJK | Karhu is making a 1-litre can now, 24 or so of those should do |
| 09:20.06 | tybollt | BCMM: which'd be the conservatives I suppose - however they are strongly opposed to it |
| 09:20.27 | BCMM | tybollt: they benifit from it to a lesser degree than labour does |
| 09:20.50 | BCMM | tybollt: (since labour has it's votes somewhat concentrated in northern inner cities) |
| 09:21.43 | ShadowJK | The "proper" way would be to move bme into kernel. Kernel has regulator device class for the boost function of bq24150, power supply and battery device classes for the rest... the USB driver could ask the charger to turn on the USB power, etc |
| 09:22.06 | ShadowJK | And theoretically all the documentation needed is available.. but I don't know of any kernel coders :) |
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| 09:22.26 | ShadowJK | And Nokia is probably secretly doing this anyway (sans boost mode for usb probably) as we speak. |
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| 09:23.16 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i wonder if there's a bme command to temporary disable bme or some other nice features |
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| 09:24.05 | ShadowJK | disable everything except low battery shutdown |
| 09:24.10 | ShadowJK | that's still nice to have |
| 09:24.21 | ShadowJK | (though luke would disagree, it's his favourite issue) |
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| 09:26.05 | tybollt | sjk: how so? |
| 09:26.37 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 09:27.16 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.13 | ShadowJK | Oh he thinks that if he can disable the low battery shutdown he'll get more batterylife |
| 09:28.40 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: That will work once, for sure ;) |
| 09:29.04 | tybollt | sjk: sure but then he'll risk draining it to the point where usb-charger won't work anymore... |
| 09:29.20 | TigerTael | X-Fade, haha. |
| 09:29.30 | TigerTael | I remember the old WM 5 phones. |
| 09:29.31 | X-Fade | tybollt: Even worse, the lipo itself will get damaged. |
| 09:29.33 | ShadowJK | tybollt, he'll risk draining it to the point where it catches fire if you try recharge it ;) |
| 09:29.41 | tybollt | ;) |
| 09:30.21 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, so yeah, just get the relevant engineers drunk and wrestle a N810 bme without lowbattery shutdown and give it to luke, his house will catch fire and you don't have to argue with him anymore ;) |
| 09:30.40 | ShadowJK | Although N810 probably has a hardware shutdown too :( |
| 09:30.50 | Dima_Sharihin | =))) |
| 09:31.52 | tybollt | sjk =) |
| 09:32.11 | tybollt | it has to be in firmware right? |
| 09:32.44 | dhq | what is that dish like symbol that comes when i start maps..... its the gps rite, when i star maps it takes like 10 mins to establish everytime......... but when i run a program like celltowerinfo the dish symbol connects immediatly byt when i launch maps there is no data |
| 09:33.16 | ShadowJK | maybe "celltowerinfo" is only requesting rough position data without gps |
| 09:33.35 | ShadowJK | tybollt, it's either hardware or in bme, or both |
| 09:33.47 | ShadowJK | there isn't really anything like SMM on ARM.. |
| 09:33.51 | tybollt | has to be in hardware |
| 09:33.56 | tybollt | so I reckon - both |
| 09:34.32 | dhq | so any idea if n900 will get new maps |
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| 09:36.11 | SpeedEvil | dhq: ave you tried with it outdoors in the open sky for 10 mins or so? Worst-case that should get a lock. |
| 09:36.31 | dhq | i have tried |
| 09:36.44 | dhq | i dont have internet on my phone |
| 09:36.54 | dhq | everytime i try it takes 10 mins |
| 09:37.18 | dhq | 10 mins or more or sometimes doesnt even connect |
| 09:41.19 | SpeedEvil | I think I pointed you to a bug last time - that's somewhat relevant |
| 09:41.20 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 09:41.42 | SpeedEvil | connecting the phone through wifi will also work to get a lock |
| 09:41.49 | SpeedEvil | it may be more reliable after the first lock |
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| 09:46.11 | dhq | SpeedEvil: i dont have wifi here |
| 09:46.51 | SpeedEvil | how are you talking? |
| 09:46.58 | SpeedEvil | Connecting the phone over USB can be done |
| 09:47.58 | Shapeshifter | man, http://www.digital-tunes.net/ is a pita to browse in microb |
| 09:48.54 | dhq | on my laptop via ehternet |
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| 09:49.43 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
| 09:50.53 | dhq | hmm |
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| 09:58.46 | dhq | please dont kick me but is pr1.2 out tommoro |
| 09:58.55 | SpeedEvil | doubtful |
| 09:59.12 | dhq | its there in maemotalk |
| 09:59.54 | `0660 | :P |
| 10:00.02 | dhq | SpeedEvil: why do you say doubtful |
| 10:00.08 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Oooh. I looked at source of pulseaudio. Just reading the changelog and not looking into the sourcecode brings up two plausible reasons for it to talk to bme. |
| 10:00.24 | `0660 | i trust nothing more than maemotalk :) |
| 10:00.29 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Turning bluetooth on and off for the audio, and the DSP |
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| 10:00.44 | SpeedEvil | dhq: because it hasn't come out every day for the last several months |
| 10:01.06 | dhq | dint get you |
| 10:01.26 | Dima_Sharihin | lol, dhq why you saying about pr1.2??? |
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| 10:02.52 | dhq | Dima_Sharihin: am i saying something wrong |
| 10:03.00 | Termana | hey crashanddie |
| 10:03.05 | frals | crap dhq it was suppose to come out but since you asked they postponed it another week :( |
| 10:03.27 | dhq | lol, your kidding rite |
| 10:03.45 | Termana | no |
| 10:03.48 | Dima_Sharihin | unhappy n900 users :D |
| 10:03.49 | Termana | he's deadly serious |
| 10:04.07 | dhq | deadly lolzzz |
| 10:04.50 | dhq | then why have they moved a thread on maemo saying that "PR1.2 coming tomorrow, CONFIRMED." |
| 10:05.01 | Termana | what are you laughing at? Thats the way the Ubuntu release work |
| 10:05.08 | Termana | works* |
| 10:05.09 | X-Fade | A release in the weekend, sure :) |
| 10:05.38 | dhq | atleast ubuntu has a roadmap which they follow |
| 10:05.53 | SpeedEvil | So does nokia. |
| 10:06.05 | SpeedEvil | It's just not public |
| 10:06.15 | dhq | lol thats the problem |
| 10:06.19 | Dima_Sharihin | yes, just want to say it =) |
| 10:06.28 | dhq | they can delay it as long as they want then |
| 10:06.35 | ShadowJK | I thought Eero explained it pretty well |
| 10:06.42 | Anss| | must be big patch if people are still doing it |
| 10:06.44 | ShadowJK | It's the fault of all those rootfs whiners! |
| 10:06.59 | Dima_Sharihin | dhq, do you think this is unfair? |
| 10:07.02 | Stskeeps | each time you overclock a n900 they push the release one day |
| 10:07.20 | iPeter- | hi. is ther anyway to disable showing offline contacts on n900? |
| 10:07.23 | dhq | Dima_Sharihin: i really feel its unfair |
| 10:07.25 | TigerTael | Stskeeps, haha. |
| 10:07.31 | dhq | goes in a coner and cries |
| 10:07.52 | joga | iPeter-: you mean selecting "available" in contacts? |
| 10:07.54 | Termana | Stskeeps, everytime you overclock an n900, DocScrutinizer loses a life |
| 10:07.54 | ShadowJK | Right now 1.1.1 is more stable than 1.2 anyway, or so they say :) |
| 10:07.58 | Dima_Sharihin | Stskeeps, each time you overclock n900 you impending death of device on the day =) |
| 10:08.01 | petteri | nokia should get PRs out more often and with smaller content |
| 10:08.14 | `0660 | petteri, i agree |
| 10:08.16 | joga | (it'll still show the contacts whose "Online" status can't be known, ie. the phone contacts) |
| 10:08.28 | TigerTael | petteri, I wouldn't like to keep reflashing my phone every 2 days. |
| 10:08.40 | crashanddie | every time you ask about overclocking, or PR1.2, god kills an iPhone owner |
| 10:08.47 | TigerTael | YAY |
| 10:08.53 | crashanddie | no, wait |
| 10:08.57 | petteri | TigerTael: i haven't flashed my phone ever. Why can't you update like normal people :) |
| 10:09.10 | dhq | hehe |
| 10:09.24 | TigerTael | petteri, maybe because it doesn't work for me? |
| 10:09.25 | `0660 | i don't think i'll be able to make video call to my mum on sunday :/ |
| 10:09.31 | `0660 | :) |
| 10:09.39 | dhq | or maybe you will :) |
| 10:09.42 | Dima_Sharihin | Let's update our phones like gentoo... every day with gcc =] |
| 10:09.45 | ShadowJK | I don't think you'll be able to make video calls with PR1.2 either ;) |
| 10:10.07 | dhq | ShadowJK: the leaked version people say you can |
| 10:10.16 | `0660 | i thought so too |
| 10:10.28 | ShadowJK | dhq, do they mean google talk video calls? |
| 10:10.31 | ShadowJK | or sip video calls? |
| 10:10.35 | ShadowJK | or skype video calls? |
| 10:10.46 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: how did you find bme talking to pulse? |
| 10:10.47 | `0660 | i talking about skype video calls |
| 10:10.47 | crashanddie | google talk was bound to work |
| 10:10.54 | `0660 | +'m |
| 10:10.58 | crashanddie | considering it already works in a few instances |
| 10:11.07 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: libbmeipc or something like that iirc |
| 10:11.08 | crashanddie | (n810 to n900 video calls, for example) |
| 10:11.12 | ShadowJK | or libbmerpc |
| 10:11.49 | crashanddie | `0660: skype video calls is out of the hands of the Nokia engineers really, the Skype client needs to implement support for it, and that's about it |
| 10:12.13 | dhq | oh |
| 10:12.38 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: There are no mentions of 'bme' in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.15-1maemo38+0m5.tar.gz - grep -ri bme shows nothing |
| 10:12.52 | `0660 | crashanddie, i know, but i was under the impression that skype would be updated along with the 1.2 |
| 10:12.59 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I'm possibly looking in the wrong place |
| 10:13.15 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: (for the source - I'm confident that it's not in the source) |
| 10:13.16 | dhq | what bout 3g video calling |
| 10:13.19 | dhq | anything bout that |
| 10:13.51 | `0660 | i haven't seen any skype updates outside of major releases at least... |
| 10:13.52 | hrw | hi |
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| 10:14.28 | ShadowJK | # cat /proc/$(pidof pulseaudio)/maps | grep bme | head -1 |
| 10:14.28 | ShadowJK | 40c98000-40c9a000 r-xp 00000000 fe:01 336123 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.0 |
| 10:14.46 | ShadowJK | dhq, I don't think that will EVER come :) |
| 10:14.53 | Stskeeps | check which one of the modules uses it |
| 10:15.47 | dhq | ShadowJK: you are so confident .......... Dont know wht nokia released an incomplete OS |
| 10:16.16 | ShadowJK | I think it's complete as it is :) |
| 10:16.30 | TomaszD | bike almost ready for the season http://imgur.com/OFbkV.jpg :D |
| 10:17.20 | hrw | ~curse nokia |
| 10:17.42 | TomaszD | what did they do wrong this time hrw |
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| 10:17.56 | dhq | ShadowJK: Complete?? you gotta be joking |
| 10:18.29 | hrw | TomaszD: same as usual |
| 10:18.34 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 10:18.34 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 10:18.59 | TomaszD | hrw, developing in a secret bunker, away from your prying eyes? ;) |
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| 10:19.11 | hrw | TomaszD: haha ha ;) |
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| 10:19.56 | crashanddie | TomaszD: what kind of biking do you do with that thing? |
| 10:20.22 | TomaszD | crashanddie, it's a typical cheap MTB converted to a road bike |
| 10:20.35 | TomaszD | so mostly bike lines, there's lots of them here |
| 10:20.44 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:20.47 | TomaszD | new tires, new seat, some misc. accessories |
| 10:20.48 | crashanddie | why not get a road bike then? |
| 10:21.00 | TomaszD | because I'm a cheapskate |
| 10:21.12 | TomaszD | and tires weren't cheap anyway ;) |
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| 10:22.05 | crashanddie | well, they're only like what, 15-20 quid? |
| 10:22.13 | crashanddie | That's quite cheap |
| 10:22.35 | TomaszD | tires cost me 31 GBP if that's your preferred currency |
| 10:22.52 | crashanddie | http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Schwalbe_Big_Apple_MTB_Tyre/5360007847/ :) |
| 10:23.16 | TomaszD | I got them cheaper than that then |
| 10:23.22 | TomaszD | they're awesome |
| 10:23.33 | TomaszD | quiet, good grip, low rolling resistance |
| 10:23.54 | crashanddie | TomaszD: that's 18 quid for both :P |
| 10:24.00 | TomaszD | oh |
| 10:24.03 | dhq | how do i check my front cam working |
| 10:24.10 | crashanddie | dhq: mirror app |
| 10:24.15 | Scelt | dhq: download healthcheck |
| 10:24.16 | TomaszD | crashanddie, are you sure? |
| 10:24.27 | TomaszD | crashanddie, I don't think you're right |
| 10:24.27 | crashanddie | TomaszD: yeah, I've bought heaps of tyres on wiggle |
| 10:24.42 | TomaszD | it says "tyre" not "tyres" |
| 10:25.22 | TomaszD | 36 GBP would be a reasonable price for two in UK I guess |
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| 10:25.56 | iPeter- | hi. is ther anyway to disable showing offline contacts on n900? like it shows only online contacts |
| 10:26.16 | frals | in contacts press app menu and "availability" or smth? |
| 10:26.19 | TomaszD | iPeter-, in the address book? No. But you can sort by availability |
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| 10:26.31 | iPeter- | okay damn |
| 10:26.36 | crashanddie | TomaszD: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/tags/bike/ |
| 10:26.42 | TomaszD | so that available, then busy, then away contact are first, then the rest |
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| 10:27.49 | TomaszD | crashanddie, what I've learned these past few days that you can sink unbelievable amounts of money into a bike |
| 10:27.54 | TomaszD | so I'm trying to avoid that |
| 10:27.55 | TomaszD | :) |
| 10:28.14 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 10:28.32 | crashanddie | I got that bike for 700 GBP |
| 10:28.49 | TomaszD | see, that's car money |
| 10:29.35 | crashanddie | then I changed the tyres, wheels, got a dynamo hub in the front wheel, built the light, changed the seat, shaved off around 1.8kg in total off the weight of the bike |
| 10:29.49 | crashanddie | oh yeah, pedals as well |
| 10:29.52 | crashanddie | got SPDs |
| 10:30.04 | TomaszD | there's so many possibilities it's not even funny |
| 10:30.11 | dhq | see you guys |
| 10:30.15 | crashanddie | later |
| 10:30.41 | TomaszD | I've spent >50GBP this season and probably doubled what my bike is worth |
| 10:30.56 | TomaszD | the best spent money was on the seat though |
| 10:31.15 | TomaszD | the previous one I had was... agonizing |
| 10:31.16 | crashanddie | good tyres is where you see the biggest improvement |
| 10:31.25 | crashanddie | I guess seat is important as well if you're not often out of it |
| 10:31.40 | TomaszD | yeah, for a road bike it's important |
| 10:31.44 | TomaszD | not so much for a MTB |
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| 10:32.03 | crashanddie | but well, I'm a mtber, so I'm out of my seat most of the time, especially considering I don't have a dampening fork yet |
| 10:32.35 | tybollt | crashanddie: x-county or downhill? |
| 10:32.47 | tybollt | I tried downhill in a ski slope |
| 10:32.50 | tybollt | almost killed me |
| 10:33.00 | crashanddie | well, proper downhill is dangerous if you don't have the proper bike for it |
| 10:33.04 | tybollt | now a days on c-country :) |
| 10:33.08 | crashanddie | I do a bit of it, but only on slopes that I know |
| 10:33.11 | tybollt | crashanddie: bingo |
| 10:33.30 | crashanddie | or if I do downhill slops, very slow, and with a nice orange jacket so people behind me see me |
| 10:33.42 | tybollt | that's what happened to me... |
| 10:33.49 | tybollt | I had bunch iof professionals aftrer me |
| 10:33.57 | tybollt | I stoped at the wrong place |
| 10:34.05 | tybollt | had to emergency eject back into the slope |
| 10:34.16 | tybollt | hit a fat root |
| 10:34.24 | crashanddie | yeah, it's seriously dangerous, you need a full face helmet, in some cases even body armour, and very good suspension |
| 10:34.37 | tybollt | and got ejected a few meters into a large tree |
| 10:34.38 | crashanddie | I would definitely recommend hiring a bike and gear for the day when you really want to try out downhill |
| 10:35.00 | crashanddie | tybollt: ever seen the seasons? |
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| 10:35.07 | tybollt | crashanddie: no? |
| 10:35.13 | TomaszD | hmm, this reminds me, I still don't have a helmet |
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| 10:35.39 | tybollt | Mind I'm very much the amature and have not done any serious mtbing for the last eight years or so :) |
| 10:35.49 | crashanddie | tybollt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGtXyBboOc |
| 10:37.38 | TomaszD | man, that is hardcore |
| 10:38.19 | TomaszD | my bike would fall apart on the third bend |
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| 10:39.19 | tybollt | yeah |
| 10:39.21 | tybollt | nice |
| 10:40.02 | tybollt | though I'm 180/82 now. Getting on a bike would kill me (and the bike ;) |
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| 10:41.03 | crashanddie | probably best mtb dvd out there |
| 10:41.12 | TomaszD | great heli shots |
| 10:41.23 | Shapeshifter | an operator without edge - never again :( |
| 10:41.34 | tybollt | NEVARH!111 |
| 10:41.44 | tybollt | Shapeshifter: so try an operator w/out gsm... :-| |
| 10:42.12 | Shapeshifter | there's such a thing? |
| 10:42.43 | Shapeshifter | 3G only? |
| 10:42.58 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Did you consider that shaving 1.8kg off you may be cheaper? |
| 10:43.13 | hrw | heh... |
| 10:43.16 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: eh? |
| 10:43.18 | SpeedEvil | does not know crashanddie's BMI. |
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| 10:43.35 | crashanddie | cheaper? |
| 10:43.44 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/weight.gif |
| 10:43.48 | hrw | nokia told that that leaked image is not final pr1.2 - ok, I am fine with it. But why it has newer packages then official PR1.2 sdk has? |
| 10:44.15 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: diet |
| 10:44.20 | Stskeeps | hrw: might be updates for sdk, to |
| 10:44.21 | Stskeeps | o |
| 10:44.28 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: that's 1.8kg off the weight of my bike |
| 10:44.33 | petteri | or it is never than the official |
| 10:44.33 | crashanddie | not mine |
| 10:44.43 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes, I know. |
| 10:44.43 | Shapeshifter | ... why does microb always have to flash white for a second when switching to it. |
| 10:44.56 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I don't get what you're trying to say |
| 10:45.27 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: I'm just commenting that it may be cheaper to reduce your own weight rather than spending exponentially more reducing the weight of the bike. (however - that may not be possible) |
| 10:45.42 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: oh, right |
| 10:46.11 | hrw | petteri: anyway we do not know and will never got proper answer |
| 10:46.20 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: well, they were improvements that really changed the handling of the bike, it's not really about speed or ease of pushing, it's just that getting the right equipment shaved off weight as well as change the bike's behaviour |
| 10:46.20 | TomaszD | heh, well, it's more expensive to shed bike weight, but instantenous and stable :) |
| 10:46.27 | achipa | hrw: simple - it's not the official PR1.2 SDK. It is/was an early access PR1.2 SDK |
| 10:46.42 | ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, I'm suffering second order effects from that bug. I expect every app to flash white before they start working after switching to them. Then I stand and stare stupidly waiting for the flash that never come, thinking the app died. |
| 10:47.03 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: for example, getting much lighter tyres made the bike a lot more nimble and agile (less rotation inertia on the wheel, very important factor) |
| 10:47.04 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: oh dear |
| 10:47.11 | X-Fade | SDK always gets updates to align with actual firmware releases. |
| 10:47.35 | Shapeshifter | except this time |
| 10:47.35 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: also, getting the SPD pedals allow me to have better footing, grip and pull when required, compared to the flat pedals I had before, while still shaving off 300gr per pedal |
| 10:47.41 | Shapeshifter | where it exploded |
| 10:47.42 | ShadowJK | besides, how many new features will there be that would break the sdk :) |
| 10:47.42 | X-Fade | Will happen for PR1.2 too. |
| 10:47.45 | achipa | except when it doesn't ;) |
| 10:47.48 | TomaszD | crashanddie, oh yes, I have super light tubes, which made a bit of a difference, tires are lighter than previous ones as well |
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| 10:48.35 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes - I know - unsprung vs sprung, and it's not quite that simple. |
| 10:48.38 | crashanddie | TomaszD: yeah, the tyres that came with the bike had these metal rings to keep them in shape, the new maxxis ones are a lot lighter, a lot thiner, and I probably lost roughly 400gr per tyre, which is really a massive difference, considering the tyres are the parts that move the fastest on a bike |
| 10:49.27 | TomaszD | crashanddie, the big apples have kevlar sides instead of steel woven like my mtb ones, much lighter :) but still heavy tires in comparison to others |
| 10:49.27 | SpeedEvil | So - will the SDK default to 1.3, when 1.2 comes out? |
| 10:49.29 | viliny__ | im not a native english speaker, is tyres the plural for tire? |
| 10:49.36 | SpeedEvil | viliny__: yes |
| 10:49.38 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: No |
| 10:49.44 | tybollt | crashanddie: btw, mtb is where your nick comes from? >:) |
| 10:49.57 | crashanddie | tybollt: well, i'm still around, so i guess not |
| 10:50.06 | viliny__ | aight, thanks you SpeedEvil :) |
| 10:50.13 | TomaszD | tybollt, he's getting ready for the inevitable |
| 10:50.24 | TomaszD | then he'll be like "I told you so!" |
| 10:50.25 | tybollt | crashanddie: ;) |
| 10:50.26 | Shapeshifter | on a downhill bike would certainly crashanddie |
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| 10:50.59 | tybollt | yeah, at 82 kgs on a 180 body, I would too =) |
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| 11:01.46 | achipa | doesn't the tire/tyre thing have a en_US/en_GB aspect, too ? |
| 11:02.04 | crashanddie | aye |
| 11:02.24 | crashanddie | tyre = UK, tire = US |
| 11:02.34 | tybollt | the debate makes me very tired... |
| 11:02.42 | crashanddie | tyred? |
| 11:02.46 | tybollt | >:) |
| 11:02.57 | achipa | tired = ran over by tyres |
| 11:03.34 | tybollt | tyred = got ran over by tyrel sprewell? |
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| 11:04.15 | X-Fade | achipa: Can you explain why this happens? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 11:04.52 | X-Fade | achipa: It seems to look for setuptools for 2.3? |
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| 11:07.28 | Tuukka | Man, what was ~ham again... |
| 11:07.35 | Tuukka | ~ham |
| 11:07.35 | infobot | methinks ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager |
| 11:07.57 | achipa | X-Fade: but... why doesn't it simple depend on python-setuptools ? |
| 11:08.03 | achipa | s/simple/simply/ |
| 11:08.31 | X-Fade | achipa: It does build-depend on it. |
| 11:08.34 | pupnik_ | cell phone radios should be able to do p2p/mesh |
| 11:08.34 | pupnik_ | seriously. lets do that |
| 11:08.55 | achipa | hm... weird, should not go for pypy if it already has it there |
| 11:09.22 | MohammadAG|ZzZ | actually |
| 11:09.30 | MohammadAG|ZzZ | why are you packaging it like that |
| 11:09.57 | MohammadAG | use py2deb or pypackager |
| 11:10.26 | X-Fade | It is a not me, and it is being packaged for a lot of distros. |
| 11:10.32 | achipa | X-Fade: and anyway, why is it going for python 2.3 ? |
| 11:10.44 | achipa | X-Fade: seems to be some scratchbox python version futz |
| 11:10.55 | X-Fade | achipa: There is python 2.3 in the sdk, because some backend tool uses it. |
| 11:10.55 | MohammadAG | echo 4 >debian/compat <-- first time i see this being done tbh |
| 11:11.18 | X-Fade | But if you check te root log, you see 2.5 being installed. |
| 11:11.57 | MohammadAG | set version in Build-Depends: |
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| 11:12.48 | Piotras | hi |
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| 11:12.56 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: --> Piotras ;) |
| 11:13.09 | X-Fade | He's the one making the mess. |
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| 11:13.23 | achipa | X-Fade: yeah, force it to 2.5, it should not deal with 2.3 even if it IS in the SDK for some reason |
| 11:13.42 | Piotras | achipa, how to force? |
| 11:14.27 | achipa | Piotras: XS-Python-Version in the control file, at least that's it for debian... |
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| 11:15.40 | Piotras | achipa, I have pyversions file which should be taken into account |
| 11:16.02 | achipa | Piotras: yes, that too... what does your pyversions say ? |
| 11:16.09 | Piotras | 2.4- |
| 11:16.25 | Piotras | achipa, are you *sure* both should exist? |
| 11:16.27 | Piotras | achipa, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-python/2009-09/msg00045.html |
| 11:17.11 | achipa | Piotras: no, not simultaneously, too as in 'that can define python versions, too' |
| 11:18.33 | Piotras | achipa, so how that line should look like? |
| 11:18.34 | achipa | though my pyversions in scratchbox only says python2.5... |
| 11:19.30 | achipa | Still seems to me that there is a script/line there that just blindly calls 'python' and that starts the scratchbox host python, not the maemo one |
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| 11:21.14 | Psi | hi, is there a way to reset the datacounter from the commandline? |
| 11:22.15 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall that you can screw with gconf |
| 11:24.22 | Piotras | achipa, I rules file I have: |
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| 11:24.40 | Piotras | for python in $(PYVERS); do $$python .... |
| 11:24.55 | Piotras | so it's clearly pyversions issue IMO |
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| 11:25.06 | achipa | Piotras: but how does your pyversions file look like ? |
| 11:25.11 | achipa | ah |
| 11:25.12 | achipa | sry |
| 11:25.16 | MohammadAG | then version the dependencies |
| 11:25.27 | achipa | Piotras: but why 2.4- ? |
| 11:26.11 | achipa | (do we even have a 2.4 ?) |
| 11:26.13 | Piotras | achipa, I do not remember atm, I think I had read some debian-python howto and did like this |
| 11:26.39 | Piotras | achipa, it says ignore < 2.4 |
| 11:27.22 | achipa | yes, I know, should be 2.5-, though (not that it matters in this particular case) |
| 11:28.13 | achipa | Piotras: hey... |
| 11:28.26 | achipa | Piotras: cd . && python setup.py clean -a |
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| 11:28.48 | achipa | Piotras: do you do this from rules or is this from some debhelper ? |
| 11:29.00 | tybollt | hmm anyway you get all nationalities and all sorts in this kind of forum... |
| 11:29.02 | Piotras | achipa, what exactly ? |
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| 11:29.12 | tybollt | but I olways wondered why there were no greek folks around here... |
| 11:29.14 | achipa | Piotras: cd . && python setup.py clean -a |
| 11:29.20 | tybollt | Guess now I know :) |
| 11:29.22 | achipa | i can see this in the build log |
| 11:29.26 | achipa | and that's wrong |
| 11:29.38 | achipa | should be cd . && python2.5 setup.py clean -a |
| 11:29.52 | achipa | (and python2.5 from there on everywhere) |
| 11:30.30 | Piotras | achipa, it doesn't come from rules file |
| 11:30.31 | achipa | that particular line is generated by dh_clean I think, so you get broken somewhere before that |
| 11:31.07 | Piotras | achipa, http://friendpaste.com/3cJ3Kd9yZNmiuwF8su8Pk3 |
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| 11:32.08 | achipa | Piotras: can you pastebin the whole rules file ? |
| 11:34.18 | Piotras | achipa, http://friendpaste.com/3ytvmENMDznzAXfRiu9Sdl |
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| 12:04.14 | markinfo | i have paired n810 with my debian desktop. But in Blueman there are no Bluetooth profiles listed. There is only "send file" How can be browsed the data local on n810? |
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| 12:08.42 | E0x | markinfo: hmmm |
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| 12:09.42 | E0x | i never work with any bluetooth things in linux but maybe |
| 12:09.45 | E0x | this help |
| 12:09.47 | E0x | http://blueman-project.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80 |
| 12:10.34 | E0x | look like need obex |
| 12:12.04 | X-Fade | achipa: I think I fixed part of your version issue with abiword package removal in bug #10113 |
| 12:12.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10113 New ARMEL version of application is removed from the repository a few hours later |
| 12:12.28 | Piotras | achipa, ideas? |
| 12:13.48 | achipa | Piotras: sorry, dropped out for a while due to power issues, did you paste the rules file ? |
| 12:14.24 | Piotras | achipa, http://friendpaste.com/3ytvmENMDznzAXfRiu9Sdl |
| 12:14.38 | achipa | X-Fade: (Y) |
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| 12:16.02 | markinfo | Problem is - there are no bluetooth services offered on n810. On my Phone are Serial ports, Obex etc. |
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| 12:16.31 | markinfo | Is it necessary to configure it somewhere on n810? |
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| 12:19.25 | markinfo | How to make a bluetooth connection with desktop PC? equipped with Bluetooth dongle? |
| 12:19.35 | markinfo | from n810 |
| 12:20.38 | E0x | markinfo: check this |
| 12:20.39 | E0x | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12301 |
| 12:21.39 | E0x | look like the n810 have some BT FTP server missing |
| 12:21.56 | E0x | so you can't browse file on it |
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| 12:22.46 | E0x | markinfo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3010 |
| 12:22.47 | povbot | Bug 3010: Provide FTP Bluetooth interface (OBEX FTP server) |
| 12:22.58 | E0x | Closing as FIXED in Fremantle (Maemo5), WONTFIX for Maemo4. |
| 12:23.16 | X-Fade | Propose it for the community SSU ;) |
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| 12:26.44 | markinfo | "WONTFIX for Maemo4" very nice .... As I do not like n900 - is too small and too expensive. |
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| 12:27.05 | markinfo | what is "comunity SSU" ? |
| 12:27.20 | SpeedEvil | markinfo: I thought it would be too small too - it surprised. |
| 12:27.28 | SpeedEvil | markinfo: I can't argue with the other part. |
| 12:27.52 | andre__ | markinfo: updates for Diablo from the community, as Nokia is unlikely to ship updates |
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| 12:31.35 | achipa | Piotras: re again, shouldn't DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM := pysupport be DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM=pysupport ? |
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| 12:33.42 | achipa | other than that, no idea really, somewhere in the cdbs bowels the wrong python gets picked. You could force the proper python through envvars, but that's kind of cludgy |
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| 12:35.16 | markinfo | is planned by Nokia something similar like n810 (mini Tablet) but with stronger CPU and maybe GSM modul? |
| 12:35.51 | Scelt | markinfo: what are you talking about mister? |
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| 12:36.51 | markinfo | n900 is in classical Phone Dimensions - but something like n8xx Tabet was. |
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| 12:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | markinfo, who do you think we would know the answer to that question? :) |
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| 12:42.40 | Piotras | achipa, let me try this |
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| 12:43.14 | RST38h | <yawn> PR1.2? <yawn> |
| 12:43.29 | X-Fade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.34 | X-Fade | Oh, damn ;) |
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| 12:43.48 | satmd | throws a cookie in RST38h's gaping mouth |
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| 12:53.24 | mece | posted a thread about my magically awesome shopping list app: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=647980 |
| 12:55.07 | E0x | mece: which lenguage ? |
| 12:55.20 | chem|st | mece: is it in extras yet? |
| 12:55.34 | E0x | python ? |
| 12:56.03 | mece | pyside currently. moving to c++ when I get things setup. |
| 12:56.16 | chem|st | I guess not... could you please edit your post to make aware of the issues you might have with testing or devel stuff? |
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| 12:56.40 | mece | chem|st, it's pyside so it wound get to extras before I make it using something that is actually installable I guess. |
| 12:56.42 | mece | it's in devel |
| 12:56.47 | E0x | i am looking do some app and i suck in programing so maybe i will use python |
| 12:57.01 | E0x | because i think c++ is too much for me |
| 12:57.01 | E0x | :D |
| 12:57.19 | mece | I use python because I can do it comfortably directly on the phone |
| 12:57.30 | RST38h | Is t.m.o finally dead or what? |
| 12:57.40 | mece | updating post. |
| 12:57.41 | E0x | t.m.o ? |
| 12:57.50 | mece | tmo is working just fine. what do you mean RST38h? |
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| 12:58.03 | chem|st | RST38h: dead in which meaning of the word?? d.e.a.d.? |
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| 12:58.43 | Piotras | achipa, it didn't help, but I think it's not package issue |
| 12:58.57 | Piotras | achipa, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 12:59.13 | Piotras | there's : cd . && python setupy.py |
| 12:59.23 | Termana | I think he means dead as in, theres more noise than signal |
| 12:59.28 | Piotras | which implicitly invokes python2.3 I assume |
| 13:00.13 | achipa | Piotras: that's what I'm saying - the debhelpers use python 2.3, that's the problem |
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| 13:02.45 | mece | chem|st, is that explanation sufficient, or should the devel part be in the title? |
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| 13:16.33 | alterego | You know, as phones have been capable of doing more and more over the years, more and more people have been complaining that they do less-and-less. |
| 13:16.55 | alterego | I remember having a phone about 10 years ago, that didn't even have any games |
| 13:17.24 | Piotras | achipa, I included 2.3 egg file in package, so error is gone |
| 13:17.27 | alterego | It had a two lines b/w LCD backlit display, which was about 10characters wide. |
| 13:17.40 | Piotras | achipa, however there's still 2.3 issue: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 13:18.01 | Piotras | no one builds python modules for fremantle? |
| 13:18.12 | kht_n900 | hi ! |
| 13:18.14 | Piotras | bbl |
| 13:18.25 | kht_n900 | piotras, depends on modules |
| 13:18.52 | kht_n900 | if u need a module made in python i can do it |
| 13:19.45 | kht_n900 | someone have successfull use ptunnel on maemo ? |
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| 13:20.01 | lardman | hmm |
| 13:20.09 | lardman | what's up here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52101&page=2 |
| 13:20.27 | lardman | Optimus has 1 post, which I'm looking at, but apparently has been thanked 31 times |
| 13:20.30 | lardman | but not here, so where? |
| 13:20.35 | lardman | or am I just going mad? |
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| 13:21.15 | Stskeeps | lardman: probably a lot of moves from normal -> off topic? |
| 13:21.32 | lardman | ah, in which case the thanks metrics need to be recalculated I imagine |
| 13:21.33 | nid0 | looks like a fault somewhere, if you look at his actual posts he has 107 |
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| 13:22.01 | lardman | anyway sorry for the random aside :) |
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| 13:37.13 | eikkka | hello, is anyone here very knowledgeable of Jabber? :) I'm wondering if I could add facebook chat through jabber to my n900, without having that annoying "Jabber Call" (which doesnt even work) on every contact. |
| 13:38.22 | C-S-B | Theres no app that allows incoming call/sms etc info to be displayed on my linux laptop is there? |
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| 13:44.33 | E0x | eikkka: jabber call ? |
| 13:45.35 | eikkka | E0x: yeah, my contacts have two jabber buttons on them now for some reason :/ |
| 13:45.53 | eikkka | Jabber Call and Jabber IM |
| 13:46.02 | E0x | oh |
| 13:46.06 | eikkka | i assume the call is for VoIP |
| 13:46.08 | E0x | is because jabber support voip |
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| 13:46.28 | eikkka | yeah, but i use jabber only for facebook chat so i'd kinda want to get rid of that button, but is it possible? |
| 13:46.31 | E0x | you can't remove that |
| 13:46.36 | eikkka | aw, too bad :/ |
| 13:46.40 | E0x | that is part of jabber |
| 13:46.42 | eikkka | already misclicked it 3 times today |
| 13:46.56 | petteri | i think you get one jabber call per jabber contact. It is stupid because if the contacs jabber client supports call it will advertise it |
| 13:47.10 | E0x | eikkka: is not your fault , look like that facebook expose that feature |
| 13:47.14 | E0x | and the client detect it |
| 13:47.18 | E0x | even if is not working |
| 13:47.19 | eikkka | right |
| 13:47.27 | PerfDave | Surely that depends on which Jabber client you use? |
| 13:47.38 | eikkka | i use just the default protocol that n900 has |
| 13:47.52 | E0x | PerfDave: not exactly |
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| 13:48.11 | PerfDave | I mean, bitlbee doesnt' give me any Jabber Call stuff with Facebook chat :) |
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| 13:48.27 | E0x | PerfDave: because the client dont support it |
| 13:48.33 | E0x | is because both |
| 13:48.35 | E0x | client and server |
| 13:48.57 | eikkka | hmm, while i'm at it, i noticed another issue today (my phone contract activated so i got my 3G broadband etc), it seems that i started getting some weird network errors for my IM accounts |
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| 13:49.11 | eikkka | the jabber facebook one and MSN (if using either Haze or Pecan) |
| 13:49.26 | E0x | in wifi happen ? |
| 13:49.31 | E0x | maybe is some issue of the service |
| 13:49.39 | eikkka | didnt happen before, no |
| 13:49.55 | eikkka | tried in wifi today as well and it didnt really connect to MSN with it either |
| 13:50.02 | eikkka | but now that i got home from work it seems to work fine with 3G |
| 13:50.08 | eikkka | both of them |
| 13:50.41 | eikkka | which one of the MSN protocols you guys prefer? |
| 13:50.42 | E0x | if you need proxy look like not work |
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| 13:51.21 | E0x | i am no a msn user |
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| 13:51.40 | PhonicUK | Hey all |
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| 13:51.55 | PhonicUK | anyone tried a 32GB MicroSD card in their N900? |
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| 13:55.01 | dhq | PR1.2 on june 7th |
| 13:55.14 | tybollt | url to back that up or kick |
| 13:55.29 | dhq | no got info |
| 13:55.33 | dhq | on maemotalk |
| 13:55.40 | E0x | dhq: hmm |
| 13:55.46 | X-Fade | Oh, then it must be true ;) |
| 13:55.53 | dhq | lol |
| 13:55.58 | X-Fade | looks on the server. No, not there. |
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| 13:56.54 | tybollt | gives dhq a bunch of lithium pills to deal w/ the voices in his head... |
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| 13:57.08 | Viliny_on_N900 | hey! |
| 13:57.26 | achipa | Piotras: avoid 2.3, that won't help you, honestly, you need to find a way to force python2.5 - even if you get it to build with 2.3, it won't work on the devices |
| 13:57.34 | Viliny_on_N900 | i did some apt-get upgrading and something under/stock clocked me |
| 13:57.57 | dhq | tybollt: lithium pills |
| 13:57.58 | Viliny_on_N900 | from lehtos 900 |
| 13:58.26 | GAN900 | is bored of rebooting |
| 13:58.29 | tybollt | dhq: http://www.drugs.com/lithium.html |
| 13:58.38 | Viliny_on_N900 | you think it's the scaling file that got overwitten? |
| 13:58.47 | GAN900 | Nokia: We turned Linux into Windows 98! |
| 13:59.06 | dhq | lol |
| 13:59.13 | Viliny_on_N900 | gan don't be bitter, embrace it |
| 13:59.34 | tybollt | find GAN's appearances around here utterly refreshing... |
| 13:59.42 | tybollt | Just a tad less faboism... |
| 13:59.45 | tybollt | fan* |
| 13:59.55 | Dima_Sharihin | GAN900, have you ever seen BSOD on N900? |
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| 14:01.11 | chem|st | PhonicUK: someone did when the device was in preproduction state and it did work |
| 14:01.25 | PhonicUK | cool |
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| 14:01.29 | dhq | Dima_Sharihin: ive seen the nokia logo at regular intervals so that must be like BSoD |
| 14:01.33 | tybollt | Dima_Sharihin: that is true... I never had me a kernel panic() |
| 14:01.35 | PhonicUK | also whats the name of the alternate OS instead of Maemo? |
| 14:01.40 | PhonicUK | the one thats mostly pure debian |
| 14:01.42 | MohammadAG | Mer |
| 14:01.44 | aquatix | Mer |
| 14:01.45 | PhonicUK | ty |
| 14:01.56 | PhonicUK | I wanna boot Mer off a MicroSD :) |
| 14:02.05 | GAN900 | Dima_Sharihin, well, I've had some weird reboots. |
| 14:02.16 | chem|st | PhonicUK: well you dont need 32GB for that |
| 14:02.19 | MohammadAG | kernel panics on maemo? |
| 14:02.25 | PhonicUK | i know, atm I only have a little 2GB thing |
| 14:02.30 | Dima_Sharihin | GAN900, why you have installed Win98 on this wonderful device? |
| 14:02.32 | PhonicUK | and I want extra storage too |
| 14:02.32 | timeless_mbp | thought mer was almost pure ubuntu |
| 14:02.43 | PhonicUK | no Mer is almost pure Debian |
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| 14:02.50 | PhonicUK | Ubuntu is just a debian based distro |
| 14:02.52 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, it is |
| 14:03.03 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu 9.04 to be specific |
| 14:03.22 | MohammadAG | with hildon-desktop slapped on top |
| 14:03.22 | GAN900 | tybollt, well, let me balance it out: Maemo is the greatest thing since sliced bread. |
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| 14:03.26 | timeless_mbp | waits for one of PhonicUK / MohammadAG to kill the other |
| 14:03.28 | GAN900 | It changed my life. :P |
| 14:03.29 | chem|st | PhonicUK: full blown desktop install from linux mint is about 1.6gb |
| 14:03.39 | PhonicUK | I know but I want additional storage too :P |
| 14:03.43 | PhonicUK | as well as somewhere to install Mer |
| 14:03.45 | MohammadAG | slaps PhonicUK with a large trout |
| 14:03.49 | tybollt | GAN900: meh :-| |
| 14:03.57 | pupnik_ | is mint good for vudeo? |
| 14:03.58 | PhonicUK | blinds MohammadAG with the flash from his N900 |
| 14:04.00 | pupnik_ | video |
| 14:04.11 | MohammadAG | is immune to that |
| 14:04.12 | GAN900 | tybollt, c'mon, this is the mobile computer revolution. |
| 14:04.13 | chem|st | arent we all a bit debian? |
| 14:04.21 | MohammadAG | takes out a Javelin |
| 14:04.34 | GAN900 | It may have its warts, but it's going to change how people use computers forever. |
| 14:04.35 | MohammadAG | locks on PhonicUK |
| 14:04.42 | PhonicUK | turns invisible |
| 14:04.45 | tybollt | GAN900: ja, but just because I liove maemo doesn't mean I bend over for Nokia =) |
| 14:04.55 | timeless_mbp | loves to hate debian |
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| 14:05.10 | chem|st | pupnik_: it is good for any netbook afaik, are you looking for playback or transcoding? |
| 14:05.37 | PhonicUK | Does 3G work in Mer/ |
| 14:05.55 | MohammadAG | traceroutes PhonicUK's IP |
| 14:05.59 | GAN900 | tybollt, who's bending over for Nokia? |
| 14:06.06 | PhonicUK | is at work :P |
| 14:06.10 | chem|st | ~trout PhonicUK |
| 14:06.36 | chem|st | ~blame chem|st |
| 14:07.05 | MohammadAG | locks on PhonicUK and fires |
| 14:07.11 | PhonicUK | attack failed |
| 14:07.27 | tybollt | GAN900: I'm not saying anyone does... |
| 14:07.50 | MohammadAG | ~bomb PhonicUK |
| 14:08.09 | PhonicUK | is in an underground bomb shelter |
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| 14:08.21 | PhonicUK | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900.html awesome |
| 14:08.25 | chem|st | MohammadAG: I thought the bot will not miss him but w/o bot there is no hit... |
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| 14:08.42 | MohammadAG | provokes the underground volcano |
| 14:08.52 | PhonicUK | oshit |
| 14:09.05 | PhonicUK | Underground volcano, meet above ground glacier! |
| 14:09.05 | chem|st | PhonicUK: blue or red pill? |
| 14:09.18 | PhonicUK | chem|st, crush them both up and snort the purple powder |
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| 14:09.37 | PhonicUK | http://xkcd.com/566/ |
| 14:09.41 | namus | How to avoid screensaving in N900? it is not comfortable while studying PDf's |
| 14:09.51 | joga | in the settings |
| 14:10.24 | joga | oh, sorry, there's no 'never' option |
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| 14:10.45 | joga | there's probably some workaround then |
| 14:10.45 | alterego | Hope the next Maemo/MeeGo Nokia device has HDMI and USB host |
| 14:11.03 | alterego | Preferably capable of 1080p ^.6 |
| 14:11.06 | MohammadAG | it will |
| 14:11.09 | X-Fade | At least there are Nokia devices with hdmi now. |
| 14:11.22 | MohammadAG | looks at the non flagship N8 |
| 14:11.32 | alterego | Yeah, way ahead of the game there. I can't believe more people aren't that interested in phones with HDMI ^.^ |
| 14:11.40 | PhonicUK | Its annoying how nokia keep making basically the same phone over and over again |
| 14:11.51 | PhonicUK | same hardware and OS, just tweaks like a better camera and video out |
| 14:12.01 | MohammadAG | hardware? |
| 14:12.07 | PhonicUK | but still not enough RAM, crappy CPU and no 3D |
| 14:12.24 | chem|st | namus: the app for easy backlight changing has a button for always on |
| 14:12.25 | alterego | PhonicUK: it's about pricing points. |
| 14:12.25 | X-Fade | alterego: DLNA is more interesting if connected over wireless connections though ;) |
| 14:12.26 | MohammadAG | it's the first Symbian devices from Nokia that has ARM11 |
| 14:12.44 | MohammadAG | i miss my N95's home server feature |
| 14:12.53 | PhonicUK | I wish the N97 had a 3D chip like the N95 |
| 14:12.55 | PhonicUK | that would have rocked |
| 14:13.05 | MohammadAG | the N97 was a big big fail |
| 14:13.15 | PhonicUK | the only reason i still have mine is for spotify |
| 14:13.19 | PhonicUK | and a couple of really good games on it |
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| 14:13.26 | MohammadAG | despotify... |
| 14:13.30 | alterego | Nokia offer you a choice, they say, you can sacrifice having the best camera, if you prefer playing music, and we'll give you more storage. Or if you want a kick ass camera, and you don't want maemo ... ^.^ |
| 14:13.38 | alterego | I've got an N96 .. |
| 14:13.38 | PhonicUK | MohammadAG, none of them have offline support |
| 14:13.45 | PhonicUK | must-have feature for me |
| 14:13.47 | alterego | I don't think that was as much fail as the N97 |
| 14:13.51 | Appiah | Will PR 1.2 support more profiles or shold you just use "tweakr" ? |
| 14:13.52 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 14:13.57 | MohammadAG | tweakr |
| 14:13.58 | alterego | Until the N900, the N95 8G was the best phone I've had. |
| 14:14.09 | Dima_Sharihin | Pr1.2....oh shi-- =) |
| 14:14.13 | PhonicUK | I had a 6150 Flip before the N97 |
| 14:14.23 | Dima_Sharihin | have Nokia 7610 :-P |
| 14:14.37 | joga | heh I still have an ngage qd somewhere...talk about fail |
| 14:14.43 | alterego | The N96 is fucking awful, even with the latest firmware, and no apps installed :( |
| 14:14.45 | chem|st | got tweakr installed and does not use the profiles stuff... |
| 14:15.01 | MohammadAG | I truely miss the N95, it had a superior camera |
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| 14:15.15 | alterego | My girlfriend uses it as a 3G modem, and it's constantly restarting itself. |
| 14:15.18 | MohammadAG | as well as the N86, but there was nothing new in it |
| 14:15.36 | alterego | Thinking about it, maybe there's a memory leak in the connection management/tethering code in Symbian ;) |
| 14:16.18 | chem|st | I miss the simpleness of my phone just serving up as USB network device |
| 14:16.28 | tybollt | alterego: I'd like to think so yes |
| 14:16.40 | tybollt | alterego: I used it as 36 modem the other day |
| 14:16.42 | MiXu- | I'm selling an N900. Is reflashing the easiest way to clear all the data? |
| 14:17.03 | tybollt | and even when sitting perfectly still for >30 minutes it'd restart all the bloody time |
| 14:17.09 | Dima_Sharihin | MiXu-, yes |
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| 14:17.16 | alterego | tybollt: not just mine then, that's good to know :/ |
| 14:17.18 | PhonicUK | man imagine 64GB of storage in an N900... |
| 14:17.27 | tybollt | alterego: :-/ sorry |
| 14:17.34 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, I'll do that in a bit |
| 14:17.39 | MohammadAG | or a year |
| 14:17.45 | alterego | tybollt: it's not your fault the phone is crap :) |
| 14:17.50 | alterego | Takes good pictures though ^.^ |
| 14:17.54 | alterego | And the storage is good. |
| 14:17.58 | chem|st | PhonicUK: I got 1TB when ever I have wifi... |
| 14:18.00 | tybollt | alterego: computer I was using att the time has windows 7 installed - I kind of guessed the problem lied there - rather than on phone |
| 14:18.10 | PhonicUK | That said, I've not used 32GB yet |
| 14:18.11 | alterego | That's the only reason why I bought it, I thought it'd be a better N95 8G. |
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| 14:18.23 | PhonicUK | will do soon tho, my N900 has taken on the job of torrent box :) |
| 14:18.25 | alterego | Turns out it's just hideously unreliable, and for no good reason as far as I can tell .. |
| 14:18.27 | MohammadAG | chem|st, If that's how you want to put it I have 2TBs :P |
| 14:18.36 | chem|st | and even with 3G I can stream music from my server... |
| 14:18.38 | PhonicUK | chem|st, doesn't beat my 4GB RAID array ;) |
| 14:18.47 | PhonicUK | eeeeh |
| 14:18.49 | PhonicUK | TB rather... |
| 14:18.54 | alterego | tybollt: my girlfriend uses my ubuntu 9.10 netbook :/ |
| 14:19.03 | MohammadAG | RAID is overrated |
| 14:19.17 | tybollt | alterego: uhuh |
| 14:19.18 | PhonicUK | my mirror raid recently saved my ass :| |
| 14:19.25 | PhonicUK | one of the hard drives died |
| 14:19.32 | MohammadAG | revive it |
| 14:19.41 | alterego | PhonicUK: how many drives? |
| 14:19.47 | Appiah | huh |
| 14:19.50 | MohammadAG | guesses 4 |
| 14:19.56 | chem|st | well in case of hardware its a good idea to mirror but no help with a corrupting filesystem |
| 14:19.57 | PhonicUK | you guess correctly |
| 14:19.58 | Appiah | guess tweakr couldnt do the job... |
| 14:20.11 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 14:20.12 | PhonicUK | have you guys ever seen my rig? |
| 14:20.15 | tybollt | <3 tweakr |
| 14:20.16 | PhonicUK | its the size of a small dishwasher |
| 14:20.16 | alterego | PhonicUK: well, if you're going to buy 4 drives, you've got a higher chance of one failing :P |
| 14:20.33 | PhonicUK | http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonicuk/sets/72157604642472044/ |
| 14:20.38 | tybollt | PhonicUK: your "rig" is the size of a small dishwasher??? |
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| 14:20.44 | PhonicUK | see link |
| 14:20.52 | chem|st | alterego: true |
| 14:20.53 | tybollt | kids and their euphemisms these days.... |
| 14:20.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, HDDs fail following a Poisson distribution :P |
| 14:20.59 | PhonicUK | thats my main machine |
| 14:21.03 | MohammadAG | -ing |
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| 14:21.19 | alterego | That looks, quite insane :P |
| 14:21.29 | PhonicUK | my machine? |
| 14:21.33 | alterego | PhonicUK: what CPU/mem you got? |
| 14:22.00 | PhonicUK | AMD Phenom 9850BE @ 3.3GHz (Stock 2.5), 4GB OCZ SLi Edition PC6400 (CAS-3-2-3) |
| 14:22.00 | alterego | That's 4 times the size of mine ... |
| 14:22.04 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, add... more... LEDs |
| 14:22.13 | PhonicUK | MohammadAG, have done since I took the pic |
| 14:22.20 | alterego | That's 4 times the size and not even that much more powerful :P |
| 14:22.24 | PhonicUK | its got 2 LED tubes which flash patterns |
| 14:22.26 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, readapt my script for them |
| 14:22.30 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 14:22.43 | tybollt | pics up the coolant fluid |
| 14:22.44 | PhonicUK | its got 2x 8800GTX OC2s :) |
| 14:22.50 | PhonicUK | and a 1000W PSU |
| 14:22.51 | tybollt | CHEERS BOYS - BOTTOMS UP |
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| 14:22.57 | alterego | I bet there's a lot of space in that case and a gerbil in a wheel identical to the one in mine :P |
| 14:23.03 | PhonicUK | I built this a couple of years ago now |
| 14:23.08 | PhonicUK | its very easy to work with |
| 14:23.15 | PhonicUK | not much free space though |
| 14:23.24 | alterego | Ooo, I'd like to do some parallel processing on those graphics cards ;) |
| 14:23.24 | PhonicUK | liquid cooling takes up a fair amount of space |
| 14:23.34 | PhonicUK | alterego, are you coming onto me?! |
| 14:23.37 | alterego | I've not tried CUDA or OpenCL in a machine with multiple cards. |
| 14:23.45 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 14:23.53 | PhonicUK | alterego, It's mostly for nVidia 3D vision |
| 14:23.57 | PhonicUK | works much better in SLi mode |
| 14:23.58 | trip900 | anyone having issues sync'ing with google cal? |
| 14:23.59 | PhonicUK | 1 eye per card |
| 14:24.15 | alterego | trip900: yes, I completely disagree with it, google are evil. |
| 14:24.18 | trip900 | all of the sudden it wont sync |
| 14:24.19 | PhonicUK | you actually get better 3D performance than having 1x twice as powerful card |
| 14:24.20 | MiXu- | I suppose in scandinavia you'd use the Global release when flashing? |
| 14:24.47 | PhonicUK | GTA IV in 3D is... |
| 14:24.48 | PhonicUK | interesting |
| 14:24.56 | PhonicUK | the strip clubs are weird in 3D :\ |
| 14:25.03 | trip900 | alterego: googles fault? |
| 14:25.55 | alterego | trip900: it was a joke, of which you obviously don't see :) I don't actually use google calendar sorry :) |
| 14:26.10 | trip900 | oh heh |
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| 14:26.39 | alterego | It's okay, probably wasn't that funny anyway :P |
| 14:27.07 | trip900 | understandable tho ;) |
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| 14:28.17 | alterego | thinks facebook should have just published that chat security hole as a group chat feature. |
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| 14:38.25 | achipa | alterego: omap3 doesn't do 1080p officially, afaik |
| 14:38.38 | alterego | I know |
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| 14:40.24 | Khertan_ | Hi all ! |
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| 14:41.15 | alterego | Hey Khertan_ |
| 14:41.29 | Khertan_ | heya alterego ! |
| 14:42.08 | Dima_Sharihin | achipa, but ARM Cortex-A8 can show 720p video |
| 14:42.37 | achipa | Dima_Sharihin: cortex-A8 != OMAP3 |
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| 14:42.46 | trip900 | solution to sync is to create a new calendar |
| 14:42.48 | Dima_Sharihin | Oh, sorry =] |
| 14:42.50 | trip900 | fyi |
| 14:43.42 | achipa | Dima_Sharihin: the video decode is done by a DSP or dedicated video chip, not the core, so ARM11, A8, A9, doesn't really matter that much |
| 14:44.13 | trip900 | depends on the codec no? |
| 14:44.28 | zokier | yes |
| 14:44.29 | achipa | trip900: 1080p is de facto h264 |
| 14:44.38 | Dima_Sharihin | thanks. Most codecs are supported by hardware |
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| 14:45.06 | Dima_Sharihin | For example, via chipsets have hardware support of h.264, mpeg-4 etc =) |
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| 14:46.07 | achipa | the point is, with 1080p resolutions and data rates, no core will manage a decent frame rate |
| 14:46.11 | tybollt | ugh |
| 14:46.14 | tybollt | video |
| 14:46.18 | tybollt | fucking scary shit |
| 14:46.38 | achipa | hell, even Atoms choke on purely SW 1080p decoders |
| 14:46.46 | tybollt | did you guys read the piece on video and how the mpeg-la pwns us all - even the ogg(theora shitz? |
| 14:47.02 | omar | does the top command report cpu usage when? system power on? |
| 14:47.18 | Dima_Sharihin | achipa, how you want to see 1080p on 800x480 display??? |
| 14:47.32 | zokier | h264 has several levels and profiles, and hardware decoders usually support only a subset of those |
| 14:47.38 | achipa | Dima_Sharihin: the orignal talk was that of a HDMI out on a successor |
| 14:48.09 | tybollt | achipa: ja - god knows the current v/out is a POS. :-) |
| 14:50.31 | Khertan_ | would not like a hdmi only device ... i didn't want to change my tv ... which didn't support hdmi |
| 14:51.50 | achipa | Khertan_: well, if the N8 is anything to go by, we'll have both |
| 14:52.08 | Khertan_ | achipa: ah ... n8 has both ? |
| 14:52.27 | SpeedEvil | tybollt: yes. :/ |
| 14:52.31 | achipa | Khertan_: yep, the hdmi is just in addition to the 4-pin Nokia plug |
| 14:52.42 | tybollt | Khertan_: of course I'd wanted HDMI |
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| 14:52.50 | tybollt | so what? |
| 14:53.10 | tybollt | just because you don't have a HDMO capable TV/screen doesn't mean I should suffer :) |
| 14:53.16 | tybollt | HDMI |
| 14:53.20 | alterego | :D |
| 14:53.23 | chem|st | tybollt: for dolby surround not for the video ;) |
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| 14:53.38 | alterego | On a related note, how do I drive the TV-Out from say, a gstreamer pipeline? |
| 14:53.44 | MohammadAG | Aren't there USB graphics cards? |
| 14:53.48 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 14:53.54 | Khertan_ | tybollt: just because you bought a useless hdmi tv ... i should suffer |
| 14:53.56 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: this would require usb host working. |
| 14:53.58 | achipa | alterego: as in NOT clone mode ? |
| 14:53.59 | MohammadAG | USB host mode would help then |
| 14:54.02 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: also slow |
| 14:54.10 | MohammadAG | slow? |
| 14:54.22 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: 12 megabytes/second is a very slow video bus |
| 14:54.23 | MohammadAG | Was expecting HDMI... |
| 14:54.23 | alterego | achipa: exactly. |
| 14:54.24 | SpeedEvil | err - 48 |
| 14:54.33 | SpeedEvil | well - 30 more like really |
| 14:54.45 | MohammadAG | even with a powered hub? |
| 14:54.54 | achipa | Khertan_: though, there is a caveat - the N8 might have both because they come from separate sources - the composite from the ARM, and hdmi from the broadcom chip |
| 14:54.56 | MohammadAG | though i'm assuming that's required... |
| 14:55.02 | alterego | MohammadAG: having a powered hub isn't going to make the USB bus faster :P |
| 14:55.20 | alterego | Does anyone have issues transfering large files via USB storage emulation to their N900? |
| 14:55.36 | Khertan_ | alterego: could you define large ? |
| 14:55.38 | alterego | I've had to revert to usb networking and scp because copies fail half way through. |
| 14:55.50 | alterego | Khertan_: well, I can't even transfer a single ~350M file .. |
| 14:55.54 | MohammadAG | lol i know, but drawing 200mA for a GFX card wil either: 1) make it not work 2) run slowly |
| 14:56.11 | Khertan_ | alterego: ah ... i didn't have problem to put on it some vm image |
| 14:56.20 | Khertan_ | so around 1,5 Go |
| 14:56.23 | Khertan_ | so around 1,5 Gb |
| 14:56.24 | Khertan_ | ;) |
| 14:56.26 | MohammadAG | Copied a 2GB file in 30 seconds |
| 14:56.48 | MohammadAG | meego-image to be more precise |
| 14:56.48 | alterego | Hrm, I might have to look into my issue again then. |
| 14:56.48 | Khertan_ | MohammadAG: yes i found it amazing fast |
| 14:56.57 | tybollt | Khertan_: hdmi is useless? |
| 14:57.05 | tybollt | trouts Khertan_ :) |
| 14:57.27 | MohammadAG | yes, DVI FTW |
| 14:57.33 | Khertan_ | tybollt: yes ... when you live in france and you don't want to paid 25Euro by month just for seeing star academy show in hd |
| 14:57.50 | Khertan_ | didn't have a hdmi projector |
| 14:57.50 | MohammadAG | technically they are similar though |
| 14:57.57 | alterego | http://www.maemonokian900.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/e69492f41aPR-1.2.jpg.jpg |
| 14:58.00 | Khertan_ | didn't have a hdmi tv |
| 14:58.01 | alterego | Love that pic |
| 14:58.37 | Khertan_ | didn't want to paid 25Euros by month for his satellite tv just for one or two movies in hd by month |
| 14:58.38 | Khertan_ | :) |
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| 14:59.16 | Khertan_ | and yes large plasma tv with a good rendering software render most of the time better than a low cheap hd tv |
| 14:59.17 | BCMM | alterego: we need a bot that pastes that link whenever pr1.2 is mentioned |
| 14:59.19 | RST38h | is ok with normal broadcastied tv |
| 14:59.28 | RST38h | not watching it anyway |
| 14:59.30 | Dima_Sharihin | Khertan, use torrents ;) |
| 14:59.37 | Khertan_ | BCMM: it ll be kline in 1second |
| 14:59.41 | Khertan_ | Dima_Sharihin: :) |
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| 15:00.12 | Khertan_ | Dima_Sharihin: did you have a torrent for downloading a plasma hd tv ? |
| 15:00.16 | X-Fade | Dima_Sharihin: France is a 3-strikes country, so better now ;) |
| 15:00.17 | Shapeshifter | is it possible to have the terminal on the n900 launch in fullscreen by default? |
| 15:00.18 | alterego | Can someone tell me what the three framebuffer devices are on the N900? |
| 15:00.22 | X-Fade | *not |
| 15:00.24 | alterego | Presumable fb0 is the internal LCD .. |
| 15:00.29 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: 3 strikes ? |
| 15:00.37 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: i didn't understand |
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| 15:00.59 | X-Fade | Khertan_: You will be disconnected from the internet after 3 complaints of illegal downloading. |
| 15:01.10 | achipa | trucker strike, agricultural strike, downloader strike... |
| 15:01.23 | Dima_Sharihin | Khertan, there are over 9000 torrents with HD1080p videos in the I-net |
| 15:01.27 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: ah ... that ... before they must agree on some law yet ... :) |
| 15:01.34 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: it s far from beeing ready :) |
| 15:02.21 | Khertan_ | i think you mean ... france is the country of strike ... worker strike |
| 15:02.28 | achipa | plus, it's bound to be more of a scare-law than a practical one. Nobody wants to lose customers... |
| 15:02.31 | Khertan_ | so 3 will be too small number :) |
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| 15:02.43 | alterego | Okay, got it, fb0 is built in LCD and fb1 must be TV out |
| 15:02.44 | Khertan_ | it s more 30% of 365 day by year :) |
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| 15:04.00 | achipa | the fun fact is that for a short while, we had a 3 strikes thing in Serbia |
| 15:04.19 | RST38h | achipa: And then they exiled you to Kosovo? =) |
| 15:04.39 | RST38h | pings wazd fiercely |
| 15:04.41 | achipa | RST38h: no, the only provider that actually tried to enforce it went nearly bankrupt |
| 15:04.50 | RST38h | achipa: Ahhahahaha |
| 15:04.53 | Dima_Sharihin | huh |
| 15:05.42 | RST38h | achipa: You should have seen US frantically trying to shut down mp3search.ru ... |
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| 15:05.52 | alterego | I wonder if fb2 is the DVI port ^.^ |
| 15:06.13 | X-Fade | alterego: Get your soldering iron and try out ;) |
| 15:06.42 | achipa | alterego: and I thought fb2 is an ebook format... :D |
| 15:06.51 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:07.21 | Piotras | achipa, how can I avoid python 2.3 if it's debhelper/builder which invokes it? :) |
| 15:07.40 | Dima_Sharihin | RST38h, are you from russia? |
| 15:07.57 | RST38h | Anyways, ttg |
| 15:08.03 | achipa | Piotras: debhelper gets the python interpreter from some envvar IIRC (set up by pyversion or whatever) |
| 15:08.25 | achipa | Piotras: so if you change that envvar manually, you should be able to coerce it to use 2.5 |
| 15:08.27 | X-Fade | Piotras: debhelper (>= 5.0) |
| 15:08.35 | X-Fade | Piotras: Did you try that? |
| 15:08.37 | achipa | but that is a kludge, I admit |
| 15:08.53 | MohammadAG | Piotras, python setup.py bdist_dumb then build it as a deb |
| 15:09.15 | achipa | MohammadAG: *python2.5* setup.py |
| 15:09.17 | wazd | pongs |
| 15:09.23 | achipa | that's his problem :) |
| 15:10.14 | MohammadAG | python2.3 then |
| 15:10.22 | MohammadAG | python2.3 setup.py |
| 15:10.23 | Piotras | X-Fade, achipa: *the same* rules and control file worked few months ago |
| 15:10.41 | achipa | Piotras: there was this SDK upgrade... XD |
| 15:11.01 | Piotras | upgrade? from python 2.5 to python 2.3 ? |
| 15:11.12 | X-Fade | Do we know any other packages using python-setuptools? |
| 15:11.30 | Piotras | X-Fade, all debian python stuff? :) |
| 15:11.45 | achipa | Piotras, X-Fade: maybe the old autobuilder had a python patch which is not there (like we lost the optify thing ?) |
| 15:11.57 | MohammadAG | noor uses setup.py if you're interested |
| 15:12.09 | MohammadAG | but I used py2deb |
| 15:12.31 | achipa | I call python2.5 explicitly. Guilty as charged. But it works :) |
| 15:12.47 | alterego | Heh, got my N900 to use my laptops internet connection through usb0 :) |
| 15:12.51 | alterego | Much better :D |
| 15:12.58 | Piotras | achipa, I do call python2.5 explicitly too :) |
| 15:13.30 | Shapeshifter | whats the difference between python and python2.5? |
| 15:13.45 | achipa | Shapeshifter: python is python2.3 inside scratchbox |
| 15:14.17 | achipa | (debian etch, etc, etc) |
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| 15:16.09 | tybollt | I find it very interesting that while E V E R Y O N E are talking about HD content yet still to play anything usefull you need to be on windows and on windows there's still only two or three programs in existence that can play the content... fooo |
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| 15:16.14 | BCMM | how is SIP with firewalls? |
| 15:16.26 | BCMM | my network doesn't give me a real IP address |
| 15:16.35 | BCMM | does that mean i can't receive calls on a SIP account? |
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| 15:17.10 | Shapeshifter | tybollt: ?? |
| 15:17.21 | tybollt | bluray |
| 15:17.30 | tybollt | how'd you go about playing bluray on linux? |
| 15:17.35 | BCMM | also, is there a list somewhere of SIP providers that allow you to make calls to the normal telephone system |
| 15:17.37 | BCMM | ? |
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| 15:17.58 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, use skype. It works beatiful with any types of proxy and NATs |
| 15:18.13 | Shapeshifter | tybollt: people still buy media stored on hardware? |
| 15:18.18 | Shapeshifter | discs suck |
| 15:18.24 | Shapeshifter | badly |
| 15:18.31 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i know, but IIRC there are some SIP providers that are cheaper, and skype is philisophically objectionable in some ways |
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| 15:19.03 | tybollt | Shapeshifter: dun matter buddy, it's the same DRM |
| 15:19.06 | tybollt | ol over |
| 15:19.36 | Shapeshifter | tybollt: well looking at the development with music, its getting better actually |
| 15:19.57 | Shapeshifter | people start to know what drm means and complain |
| 15:20.07 | tybollt | still |
| 15:20.15 | tybollt | I see movie in store - buy it |
| 15:20.23 | Shapeshifter | besides, most drmd music probably sucks |
| 15:20.36 | tybollt | and outside of HW bluray players there are two or tops three software on the planet capable of playing it |
| 15:20.40 | tybollt | sickening |
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| 15:21.02 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, iirc SIP is very simple protocol. Maybe better use Jabber VoIP extension? |
| 15:21.05 | Shapeshifter | yeah well. blueray isnt very popular |
| 15:21.08 | BCMM | there are ways to call real landlines from SIP, right? |
| 15:21.14 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: does the n900 do that? |
| 15:21.29 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: and are there services that let you call landlines |
| 15:21.34 | Shapeshifter | if it gets more popular and lots of people realize theyre being fucked with there'll be improvement |
| 15:21.37 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, I don't know ^_^. But Google Talk is Jabber, and support video-calls =) |
| 15:21.57 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i thought the n900 doesn't do video calls yet? |
| 15:22.12 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, doesn't do _skype_ video-calls |
| 15:22.42 | BCMM | basically, i'm looking for a way to call landlines abroad cheaply, and the obv. answer is skype but they're kinda creepy |
| 15:23.00 | BCMM | i'll use skype if there is no other solution |
| 15:23.12 | SpeedEvil | Was ESD used in maemo 4? |
| 15:23.18 | lcuk | BCMM, theres phone providers that do cheap connections afaik |
| 15:23.23 | lcuk | you dial a prefix, then the number |
| 15:23.27 | lcuk | and it is rerouted |
| 15:23.29 | lcuk | works from any phone |
| 15:23.36 | BCMM | lcuk: probably not as cheap as skype |
| 15:23.36 | lcuk | and you get cheaper calls to countries? |
| 15:23.43 | lcuk | of course |
| 15:23.52 | lcuk | but you sound like you ruled out skype |
| 15:24.07 | X-Fade | Just search for sip provider on google, how hard can it be? |
| 15:25.32 | chem|st | BCMM: you just need to find a provider doing it (SIP) |
| 15:25.51 | BCMM | i'm mostly slipping up on the jargon |
| 15:26.15 | BCMM | only just got that a provider that will connect you to real phones is a "termination provider" |
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| 15:26.29 | johnsq | Hi |
| 15:26.37 | BCMM | i presume there are also SIP providers that don't do that |
| 15:26.54 | chem|st | BCMM: I got rid of t-com that way! I have internet and thats it, have a 'real' geolocated landline |
| 15:26.58 | BCMM | chem|st: do you know how sip handles NAT? My phone network doesn't give me a global IP |
| 15:27.14 | BCMM | chem|st: not sure i understand |
| 15:27.28 | chem|st | BCMM: we tried that with both on edge and it worked... |
| 15:27.36 | PhonicUK | has anyone ever tried to run Angstrom on the N900? |
| 15:27.40 | BCMM | chem|st: still not entirely sure i understand |
| 15:28.10 | chem|st | BCMM: where are you off? |
| 15:28.26 | BCMM | chem|st: uh, again not sure i understand you |
| 15:28.34 | chem|st | BCMM: you look for a sip provider from your country with cheap rates |
| 15:28.37 | BCMM | chem|st: are you asking which part of the world i'm in? |
| 15:28.46 | BCMM | chem|st: ah, well i'm looking for two things, maybe two accounts |
| 15:28.51 | chem|st | no what u do not understand |
| 15:29.00 | BCMM | chem|st: one for making cheap calls to the UK, another for cheap calls to belguim |
| 15:29.23 | chem|st | BCMM: prepaid or contract? |
| 15:29.35 | BCMM | chem|st: sip providers work like that? |
| 15:29.37 | BCMM | prepaid probably |
| 15:29.48 | BCMM | the bit i didn't understand was "we tried that with both on edge and it worked..." |
| 15:30.07 | Khertan_ | i ll go on ... |
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| 15:30.26 | Khertan_ | and will try to connect later while tcpip over icmp :) |
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| 15:30.48 | chem|st | BCMM: both at sipgate both connected with EDGE on different providers and we were able to call and talk in both directions |
| 15:31.03 | chem|st | BCMM: http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/index.php |
| 15:31.07 | BCMM | chem|st: but did your providers give you real IP addresses or NATted? |
| 15:31.16 | chem|st | NATed |
| 15:31.27 | BCMM | chem|st: oh, cool |
| 15:31.47 | BCMM | do you know of a site which would list providers in order of how much they charge per minute to call belgium? |
| 15:31.52 | chem|st | the phone does fine with NATed connections... |
| 15:32.00 | lcuk | we need system level accelometer calibration |
| 15:32.26 | chem|st | BCMM: no but whats wrong with 2p? |
| 15:32.35 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes, yes we do. |
| 15:32.36 | BCMM | chem|st: what is 2p? |
| 15:32.48 | chem|st | 2pence |
| 15:32.50 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, :) |
| 15:33.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer |
| 15:33.11 | BCMM | chem|st: oh, as in 2p per minute? |
| 15:33.14 | chem|st | pennies Ps the crap little buggers nothing worth |
| 15:33.23 | chem|st | yep |
| 15:33.37 | BCMM | nothing reallyh |
| 15:33.43 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: You can rotate the phone slowly several times in random patterns - and then attempt to fit the resultant elipsoid to a unit sphere. |
| 15:33.45 | BCMM | 2p a minute is, indeed, nothing really |
| 15:34.19 | BCMM | lcuk: how would you do accel calibration? put the phone on the ground, and use a database of values of g in different parts of the world? |
| 15:34.24 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: this gives you per-axis offset and scale. Also some info about cross-axis - but that's harder to pull out |
| 15:34.31 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: There are three accellerometers. |
| 15:34.45 | lcuk | BCMM, SpeedEvil for most uses, calibrating faceupfacedown would do |
| 15:34.46 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: the worst-case accuracy of these is +-10% per axis or so |
| 15:34.52 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: True |
| 15:34.53 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: hmm, and there is an edge the n900 will not balence on |
| 15:35.03 | lcuk | because of the camera bulge |
| 15:35.07 | lcuk | its more noticable |
| 15:35.21 | lcuk | and especially how ive got a group of bubbles in a cloud on screen now |
| 15:35.28 | lcuk | and they are all fucking off to top left |
| 15:35.35 | zokier | screen down it balances fine :) |
| 15:36.13 | SpeedEvil | I have a clear plastic case |
| 15:36.22 | lcuk | i think gravity shifted tho |
| 15:36.25 | SpeedEvil | it balances lots better on its back, as tehre is a cutout |
| 15:38.12 | chem|st | BCMM: for google voice testing I signed up for a sip account in us and fwd via landlin-fwd |
| 15:38.33 | BCMM | chem|st: does google voice call landlines? |
| 15:39.10 | chem|st | BCMM: I would not do that again as a robot was calling me once a day, turned it of though |
| 15:39.10 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, google it :D iirc in america it is possible |
| 15:40.20 | BCMM | do SIP providers typically provide free calls to other SIP providers? |
| 15:40.26 | chem|st | BCMM: googleV is a garbage collector for phone lines, you need at least one valid landline number to get it working and the beta was/is US only |
| 15:40.28 | BCMM | and does anybody support SIP -> Skype calls? |
| 15:41.45 | crashanddie | no |
| 15:41.52 | chem|st | BCMM: for SIP to SIP you need a provider doing actual SIP calling, at least as long as the freakin phone cant do |
| 15:42.02 | BCMM | chem|st: ? |
| 15:42.16 | BCMM | chem|st: the n900 actually does SIP... |
| 15:42.49 | chem|st | sipgate.co.uk does not provide a SIPaddress to be called (you@sipgate.co.uk is not callable) |
| 15:43.38 | crashanddie | waves at lcuk, chem|st and SpeedEvil |
| 15:43.49 | chem|st | BCMM: thought there is a bug open as you can't call a $number@SIPprovider.net contact itself |
| 15:44.01 | MohammadAG | waits for a wave |
| 15:44.09 | crashanddie | waves at MohammadAG |
| 15:44.20 | crashanddie | you jealous mofo :P |
| 15:44.21 | MohammadAG | slaps crashanddie |
| 15:44.31 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 15:44.32 | crashanddie | kicks MohammadAG |
| 15:44.41 | MohammadAG | bombs crashanddie |
| 15:44.51 | MohammadAG | muhahaha |
| 15:44.54 | Dima_Sharihin | flooders |
| 15:45.00 | chem|st | thinks their is <3 in the air.... |
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| 15:45.13 | MohammadAG | burns the air |
| 15:45.17 | chem|st | I like word playing |
| 15:46.08 | chem|st | BCMM: sipgate.co.uk provides free sip-calls to telio and gradwell but thats about it |
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| 15:48.48 | eluiandil | hi all! I found n800_defconfig in maemo kernel 2.6.26: can i compile this kernel for N800/N810 or it is impossible? |
| 15:48.53 | crashanddie | chem|st: you maybe like playing with words, but "their" isn't wordplay, it's just fail :P |
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| 15:49.31 | Piotras | achipa, so what is recommended way to build python debs (especially for maemo? ) |
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| 15:50.28 | chem|st | crashanddie: their are love in the air is just fail...2 |
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| 15:50.56 | crashanddie | chem|st: can I ask for a favour? |
| 15:51.03 | chem|st | or they are love |
| 15:51.08 | chem|st | stfu? |
| 15:51.18 | chem|st | :d |
| 15:51.30 | crashanddie | chem|st: take a machine gun on all those stupid off-topic threads |
| 15:51.44 | chem|st | crashanddie: I wish |
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| 15:52.39 | eluiandil | ? |
| 15:52.41 | VDVsx | linux hackers looking for a job take a look: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916 ;) |
| 15:52.44 | chem|st | as long as reggie and the council folks arent on the same line with us I cant do anything, I would just empty out the whole off-topic thing |
| 15:53.26 | chem|st | so I'm off to grab some to eat l8er |
| 15:54.14 | frals | lol VDVsx |
| 15:54.50 | SpeedEvil | hello |
| 15:55.06 | VDVsx | frals, nice opportunity to join a cool team, eheheh |
| 15:55.10 | frals | :D |
| 15:55.39 | VDVsx | gonna spam meego as well :P |
| 15:55.58 | VDVsx | hides |
| 15:56.01 | lcuk | hey frals - you should signup for that thing VDVsx is spamming :p |
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| 15:56.12 | frals | lcuk: ;D |
| 15:56.22 | frals | gonna prepare dinner with the missus now, laters o/ |
| 15:56.27 | lcuk | \o |
| 15:57.04 | BCMM | how would one go about testing SIP? i'd like to make sure that sip-sip calls are nice before buying any credit for calling real phones |
| 15:57.23 | BCMM | is there a thing that works a bit like the skype call test service? |
| 15:57.29 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, sip-sip calls are free |
| 15:57.40 | BCMM | yes |
| 15:57.49 | GAN900 | is going to waste time reading the religion thread for some reason. |
| 15:57.55 | BCMM | perhaps i just need to make a second account to test it |
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| 16:00.09 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, btw, sip has skype transopts |
| 16:00.18 | GAN900 | chem|st, what page? |
| 16:01.27 | kajko | how do I turn off quit messages in xchat on N900? |
| 16:01.27 | kajko | it's annoying |
| 16:01.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.31 | SpeedEvil | tu turn them off |
| 16:01.36 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.48 | Dima_Sharihin | /quit =) |
| 16:02.01 | SpeedEvil | feels bad. |
| 16:02.20 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Evil bastard :) |
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| 16:03.12 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, take a medicines |
| 16:03.48 | X-Fade | kajko: SpeedEvil was joking, he is really sorry. ;) |
| 16:03.50 | kajko | SpeedEvil nice try |
| 16:03.56 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.06 | SpeedEvil | would seem to be one way |
| 16:04.15 | SpeedEvil | http://xchat.org/faq/#q211 |
| 16:04.28 | kajko | yes |
| 16:04.33 | MohammadAG | /set for a full list |
| 16:04.41 | SpeedEvil | I presume you could also do it by editing the config file - the other method of 'right-clicking' on a tab does not seem helpful |
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| 16:07.37 | MohammadAG | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/nokia-sues-apple-again-says-the-ipad-3g-infringes-five-patents/ |
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| 16:08.25 | Stskeeps | well, the lawyers have to have some work |
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| 16:08.40 | LapEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.07 | GAN900 | expects it's more Reggie than "council people" |
| 16:09.27 | microlith | rages at orange business services |
| 16:09.48 | bleader | hehe a friend of mine was working there (not anymore btw) |
| 16:09.58 | bleader | he was raging against them quite a lot too |
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| 16:12.12 | crashanddie | GAN900: yeah, probably more reggie than council people, yet the proper way to get things changed is through the community council |
| 16:12.29 | crashanddie | GAN900: just having everyone yell and shout everytime someone throws a tantrum isn't going to get us anywhere. use the appropriate channels. |
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| 16:12.51 | VDVsx | what's the hot topic ? :) |
| 16:12.56 | VDVsx | maemo -> meego I guess |
| 16:13.00 | crashanddie | VDVsx: your mom :P |
| 16:13.10 | VDVsx | lol |
| 16:13.16 | crashanddie | that's what she said |
| 16:13.34 | VDVsx | slaps crashanddie with a katana |
| 16:13.43 | VDVsx | :D |
| 16:14.29 | lcuk | now now VDVsx |
| 16:14.45 | lcuk | if you are gonna use that, go do it in the sandbox |
| 16:14.54 | lcuk | we can cover the blood easier |
| 16:15.58 | korhojoa | who's getting killed? |
| 16:16.00 | kajko | does qgil and the other Nokia dudes still come to this channel? |
| 16:16.11 | LapEvil | rarely. |
| 16:16.15 | LapEvil | !seen qgil |
| 16:16.20 | frals | ~seen qgil |
| 16:16.21 | infobot | qgil <~qgil@a88-112-27-165.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 36d 20h 26m 55s ago, saying: 'ever'. |
| 16:16.26 | MohammadAG | Nokia dudes <-- I'm seeing this a lot |
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| 16:16.41 | LapEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.49 | VDVsx | Nokia dudes = Nokians (I heard ;)) |
| 16:16.58 | kajko | so he dont come often then |
| 16:17.22 | VDVsx | kajko, more at #meego these days |
| 16:17.23 | Myrtti | qgil isn't the only nokian here... |
| 16:17.48 | frals | bah wait if one would apply for that team, it means working with VDVsx? /me runs |
| 16:17.51 | kajko | yup....qgil moved on to meego |
| 16:18.01 | VDVsx | hides |
| 16:18.04 | Myrtti | making assumptions based on his visits here is a bit off balance, since he hasn't really been a hardcore irc user ever |
| 16:18.20 | kajko | true |
| 16:18.25 | Shapeshifter | I demand OPK to hang out here :< |
| 16:18.30 | Shapeshifter | oh wait |
| 16:18.31 | VDVsx | +1 |
| 16:18.38 | Myrtti | I demand cheesecake |
| 16:18.44 | frals | 195k downloads... hopefully i hit 200k tomorrow! \o/ |
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| 16:18.59 | Shapeshifter | frals: where do you see the number of downloads? |
| 16:19.14 | frals | http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras |
| 16:19.51 | Shapeshifter | ah nice |
| 16:20.15 | Shapeshifter | mhh, where's the total number? |
| 16:20.23 | frals | have to add it up manually :D |
| 16:21.08 | Shapeshifter | frals: huh. can you do integrals with your eyes? |
| 16:21.23 | frals | what, you cant? O_o |
| 16:21.43 | frals | nah if you check the source theres a link to the script that generates it |
| 16:21.46 | frals | that got all the values |
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| 16:22.22 | Shapeshifter | ah yes |
| 16:22.24 | frals | (i wrote a script to sum it up :() |
| 16:24.26 | kajko | do people still use mms ? |
| 16:24.49 | korhojoa | no. |
| 16:25.37 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 is easy to ue I guess. |
| 16:25.48 | SpeedEvil | korhojoa: 195000 of them don't. |
| 16:28.28 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, whereis '\n' symbols in the script? O_o |
| 16:30.10 | SpeedEvil | We don't need no steenking human-readability |
| 16:30.24 | SpeedEvil | That's quite easy to parse by eye, compared to html |
| 16:30.28 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, Maybe better use obsfucation? |
| 16:30.43 | SpeedEvil | compared to some html |
| 16:31.03 | BCMM | i've made a free ekiga.net account to test SIP |
| 16:31.09 | BCMM | and it works fine from ekiga on my desktop |
| 16:31.17 | BCMM | but i can't hear anything on the n900 |
| 16:31.25 | BCMM | have i misconfigured something? |
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| 16:32.19 | SpeedEvil | kajko: Go to chanopt.conf in ~/.xchat2/ - add a line text_hidejoinpart = 1 |
| 16:32.19 | SpeedEvil | after the channel name |
| 16:32.28 | SpeedEvil | kajko: this lets you set it per-channel |
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| 16:32.49 | kajko | thanks speedevil.... done |
| 16:34.02 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, may... Are you sure, that config of PulseAudio for Ekiga is correct on both devices? |
| 16:34.20 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i haven't installed ekiga on teh phone |
| 16:34.25 | BCMM | i'm trying to use the built-in SIP client |
| 16:34.26 | kajko | you can also tap and hold the channel name and a setting window comes up where you can hide/show join/leave alerts |
| 16:34.27 | Dima_Sharihin | =] |
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| 16:37.12 | Shapeshifter | yay for a bash one liner |
| 16:38.09 | Shapeshifter | for i in $(curl -s 'http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5' | sed -n '2p' | sed -e 's/.*var\ d\ =\[//;s/\],\[/\]\ \[/g'); do echo $i; done | awk -F "," '{print $2}' | sed -e 's/].*/+last/' | bc -l | tail -n 1 |
| 16:38.14 | Shapeshifter | \o/ |
| 16:38.42 | Shapeshifter | 195338 |
| 16:39.31 | Shapeshifter | alarmed only has 2420. which is quite a lot >.> Well. pr1.2 should come out to fix the pyside madness. Then I'll release some more features and vote for it. |
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| 16:40.21 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, thats not a oneliner |
| 16:40.21 | arachnist | i'm actually surprised people still use mms |
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| 16:40.39 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: widen your chat client :P |
| 16:40.39 | lcuk | arachnist, mms reasoning was outlined at the start |
| 16:40.46 | wall[e] | anyone can't login to tmo? |
| 16:40.55 | wall[e] | i tried resetting passwd and didn't work |
| 16:41.05 | lcuk | overwhelming population of hardware out there is compatable with it, vs the number of people with phones capable and configured to use email |
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| 16:42.04 | kajko | with my operator it's cheaper to email pix than mms. i have unlimited data tho. |
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| 16:42.17 | arachnist | lcuk: most of the phones released over the past 4 years or so that are capable of sending/receiving mms are also capable of sending email |
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| 16:42.36 | arachnist | and receiving |
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| 16:42.51 | lcuk | those phones also are NOT configured for email out of the box |
| 16:43.01 | lcuk | and unwashed masses dont usually know how |
| 16:43.11 | lcuk | same devices are however configured for mms |
| 16:44.29 | lcuk | arachnist, theres whole discussions on the maemo.org wiki about actually kickstarting mms on our devices and the issues |
| 16:44.47 | wall[e] | or may be i got banned? |
| 16:44.52 | wall[e] | just post a few nudes |
| 16:44.57 | lcuk | and how to solve them - we moved on from bah email is available very early |
| 16:45.01 | wall[e] | what's wrong?? |
| 16:45.18 | arachnist | lcuk: the biggest issue with mms is still the 2.6.28 kernel, isn't it? |
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| 16:46.12 | lcuk | dunno, fmms seems to be working fine |
| 16:46.56 | lcuk | frals has done an exceptional job at working round whatever - hes dug and discussed and coordinated and hacked and coded and we practically have a real proper MMS service on our devices :) |
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| 16:48.21 | Dima_Sharihin | imho, MMS useless |
| 16:48.52 | lcuk | 195000 people disagree |
| 16:48.58 | lcuk | well installs |
| 16:49.56 | Dima_Sharihin | On mine phone, I did not even set up this service |
| 16:50.20 | lcuk | no, but on a normal phone theres no configuration, if someone sends you an mms it will arrive |
| 16:50.45 | SpeedEvil | The numbers look sane for me more like 10K I think than 190K alas. |
| 16:51.06 | SpeedEvil | Assuming the spikes are correlating with release versions of mms |
| 16:51.30 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, however you want to read them, theres tremendous support from all over the ecosystem for the hard work frals is doing |
| 16:52.22 | lcuk | a few months ago we had no mechanism to do mms and were told there wouldnt be. now we have a viable open source option |
| 16:52.40 | kajko | lcuk: agreed |
| 16:53.40 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Indeed! |
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| 16:54.12 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I'm just wondering how you would best correlate teh above numbers with an installed base |
| 16:56.19 | SpeedEvil | If you look at feb 21 for example - the area under that spike is 7000 or so. The one on April 29th is about 20000 |
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| 17:03.01 | pupnik | wb ssvb |
| 17:04.29 | Dima_Sharihin | what-what? =) |
| 17:04.36 | Dima_Sharihin | oh =) |
| 17:05.02 | SpeedEvil | Tripling every 2 months. In about 2 years, everyone on the planet will use fmms. |
| 17:05.15 | ssvb | hi pupnik |
| 17:05.19 | frals | lol SpeedEvil |
| 17:05.43 | frals | also lcuk, you make me blush! ;) |
| 17:06.00 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, Provided that you have given the whole planet N900 |
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| 17:06.47 | lcuk | :) frals - credti where its due |
| 17:06.50 | lcuk | credit too |
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| 17:08.02 | SpeedEvil | How opaque is mms data? Do the networks just treat it as a binary? |
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| 17:10.52 | GAN900 | had a dream that PR1.2 was released last night. |
| 17:11.25 | Stskeeps | time for weekend then |
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| 17:13.24 | Dima_Sharihin | GAN900, sleep-sleep, you are sleeping =] |
| 17:14.27 | RST38h | mhmm |
| 17:15.52 | SpeedEvil | had a dream that one day, little black nokias, and little white nokias, ... |
| 17:17.02 | Dima_Sharihin | why little? |
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| 17:18.48 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Have you got to hump any of them? |
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| 17:20.55 | lcuk | lardman, i have to both thank you and grrrr @ u |
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| 17:21.04 | Viliny_ | Hey guys |
| 17:21.28 | Viliny_ | some update screwed over my cpu scaling file i guess... i ran lehtos kernel but now it won't scale beyond 600 - which file should i be looking for? |
| 17:21.53 | lcuk | this channel does not condone nor support overclocking |
| 17:22.17 | Viliny_ | really? |
| 17:22.19 | SpeedEvil | Dima: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm |
| 17:22.24 | MohammadAG | yes, really |
| 17:22.29 | MohammadAG | same goes for any leaks |
| 17:23.02 | Viliny_ | alright, so which file is responsible for the cpu scaling on the n900? |
| 17:23.21 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 17:23.24 | lcuk | i dunno, never had to mess with it |
| 17:23.29 | Viliny_ | fair enough |
| 17:23.33 | MohammadAG | hint, it's in /sys |
| 17:23.38 | MohammadAG | err |
| 17:23.40 | RST38h | Viliny_: /vmlinuz? |
| 17:23.41 | MohammadAG | /proc* |
| 17:23.47 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 17:23.57 | lcuk | somewhere in / |
| 17:24.27 | frals | SpeedEvil: its a binary (over regular http) |
| 17:24.37 | Viliny_ | so why has the tone here gotten so zealous when it comes to oc? |
| 17:24.40 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, very nice :) |
| 17:24.47 | MohammadAG | look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ |
| 17:25.04 | MohammadAG | i used find -name, use it next time |
| 17:25.34 | Viliny_ | what did you use for name? |
| 17:25.46 | MohammadAG | cpufreq* |
| 17:25.54 | Viliny_ | alright, thank you sir |
| 17:26.19 | Viliny_ | is there a separate channel for tinkering such as overclocking? |
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| 17:27.29 | chem|st | Viliny_: before I start OC with anything I change the OS setup to perform better, it makes no sense to me doing oc on a system which could be faster by tweaking |
| 17:27.44 | chem|st | wants a button to turn off transitions |
| 17:28.21 | Viliny_ | chem|st: i have done the transitions thing, love the speed. but i also love the phone in it's faster state... flash, emulation... it's like how the device should have been |
| 17:28.30 | Viliny_ | its* |
| 17:29.00 | chem|st | Viliny_: well stop all unneeded background tasks and you get about the same |
| 17:29.21 | chem|st | I got no performance issues with flash... |
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| 17:29.35 | Viliny_ | what exactly are we classing as unnecessary? |
| 17:30.25 | MohammadAG | Anything cpu intensive |
| 17:30.36 | Viliny_ | like turning on the phone? |
| 17:30.43 | chem|st | who needs home anyway? |
| 17:32.09 | chem|st | stuff that keeps your xserver threating the cpu |
| 17:32.21 | eluiandil | hi all! I found n800_defconfig in maemo kernel 2.6.26: can i compile this kernel for N800/N810 or it is impossible? |
| 17:32.22 | GAN900 | Viliny_, because the likelihood of it killing your device outright in a short period of time is very high. |
| 17:32.52 | Viliny_ | what is your source for it being very high? |
| 17:33.16 | GAN900 | TI, TI engineers, Nokia engineers. |
| 17:33.22 | eluiandil | is maemo 4/OS2008 support 2.6.26? |
| 17:33.36 | chem|st | Viliny_: you got no proper cooling system so anything above 700MHz will do no good |
| 17:33.50 | GAN900 | chem|st, it isn't heat. |
| 17:34.10 | Viliny_ | then what is it |
| 17:34.16 | chem|st | GAN900: I know but how do you sell people stuff they dont understand |
| 17:34.23 | MohammadAG | there should be a wiki article about electromigration |
| 17:34.37 | GAN900 | ^ |
| 17:34.47 | chem|st | Viliny_: the design of the chip is the issue |
| 17:34.51 | MohammadAG | there might be one on wikipedia |
| 17:35.30 | GAN900 | Viliny_, you're severely reducing the life of your device running at 550 or 600MHz for long periods of time |
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| 17:35.45 | GAN900 | Anything beyond 600MHz is dangerous. |
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| 17:36.56 | Viliny_ | yeah well it's not like i don't understand the risks - i went under the impression that the lifetime wouldn't be shortened enough to make a difference in this case |
| 17:37.15 | Viliny_ | im using it as a phone and it's going to get swapped in a couple of years any way |
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| 17:38.28 | chem|st | Viliny_: we are not talking about years |
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| 17:38.48 | kajko | there is no need to overclock the N900... it's not like it's slow as it is |
| 17:39.28 | Viliny_ | well, for me it is |
| 17:40.48 | chem|st | GAN900: and well it is about heat, not like getting warm but about micro/nano spots |
| 17:41.12 | GAN900 | chem|st, well, yeah, it's not that simple. |
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| 17:41.44 | GAN900 | But I think people having the impression that it's about overheating might give them a false sense of security. ;) |
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| 17:41.50 | MohammadAG | <Viliny_> im using it as a phone and it's going to get swapped in a couple of years any way |
| 17:41.58 | MohammadAG | 500 - 10 year |
| 17:42.03 | MohammadAG | 550-600 5 year |
| 17:42.06 | chem|st | Viliny_: you feel the need to overclock it, go ahead! make my day! I am working for a company doing nanostructural research... you save my job in some way! |
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| 17:42.20 | MohammadAG | 600-650 2.5 (doing some weird maths here) |
| 17:42.29 | MohammadAG | 650 would make a big difference |
| 17:42.35 | GAN900 | Viliny_, overclocking you could be talking about weeks. :) |
| 17:42.38 | MohammadAG | 750, less than a year |
| 17:42.46 | MohammadAG | 800, half a year |
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| 17:42.54 | wall[e] | will next n900 be n911? |
| 17:42.54 | wall[e] | i just want the number |
| 17:42.55 | MohammadAG | 1000, you're an idiot |
| 17:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: thanks for the pointer :-) |
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| 17:43.12 | GAN900 | wall[e], nobody without an NDA knows. |
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| 17:43.25 | GAN900 | and maybe not even then. |
| 17:43.27 | wall[e] | or a window cleaner |
| 17:43.38 | Viliny_ | so with your prophecy, we are going to see a lot of people with broken phones in a couple of months then |
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| 17:44.12 | wall[e] | will wait a couple of months before overclocking then |
| 17:44.30 | MohammadAG | i really don't get it |
| 17:44.37 | MohammadAG | 600 is fast enough |
| 17:44.41 | MohammadAG | even for flash |
| 17:44.45 | chem|st | you might try to fix its speed to 700 and start a stopwatch (we are not talking about a long time here so a stopwatch will do) and start browsing flash pages an stuff |
| 17:44.48 | RST38h | OMG google updated their homepage |
| 17:44.58 | wall[e] | may be gaming is too slow |
| 17:45.03 | Viliny_ | MohammadAG: well what do you use the phone for? |
| 17:45.15 | MohammadAG | everything but a phone |
| 17:45.41 | chem|st | wall[e]: thats a no on n911 |
| 17:46.05 | Viliny_ | And at no point have you sat there and thought to yourself: Man, i wish this would go a bit faster? |
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| 17:46.15 | wall[e] | but i think, speed improvement should be done more in software optimization level. |
| 17:46.31 | RST38h | wall: Are you a computer programmer? |
| 17:46.36 | wall[e] | not overclocking |
| 17:46.38 | Viliny_ | out of the box this damn thing stuttered and skipped on flash videos - a little later i found a kernel for overclocking and went with 900 - smooth |
| 17:46.43 | chem|st | Viliny_: I did! then I figured out what was slowing it down and changed the setup |
| 17:46.45 | Viliny_ | i don't know if i want the n900 with stock speeds |
| 17:46.50 | wall[e] | RST38h, yes. |
| 17:46.56 | MohammadAG | Viliny_, once, when I was encoding an flv, and that's not worth losing 5 years of lifetime |
| 17:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | moans and turns away, to have another nap. Can't stand it anymore to explain the exponential curve of electromigration to noobs who thin OCing is the cutest thing since Kernigan invented C |
| 17:47.08 | RST38h | And you honestly believe that everything can be optimized? |
| 17:47.23 | RST38h | Who is Kernigan, Doc? |
| 17:47.27 | wall[e] | RST38h, I didn't say that, but most of them yes. |
| 17:47.29 | MohammadAG | cutest thing since Kernigan invented C LOL |
| 17:47.31 | chem|st | Viliny_: I do that for battery lifetime aswell... I get my netbook to playback videos for 6hours straight |
| 17:47.33 | joga | err...someone has proof of the device's lifetime declining significantly because of overclocking? |
| 17:47.41 | MohammadAG | RST38h, the guy who invented C it seems |
| 17:47.45 | RST38h | joga: TI |
| 17:47.54 | wall[e] | if a hello world is too slow |
| 17:47.58 | RST38h | Mohammad: He invented a letter of the alphabet? |
| 17:48.02 | wall[e] | you can improve it in compiler level |
| 17:48.08 | wall[e] | or io level |
| 17:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: maybe it was Ritchie, or Pike |
| 17:48.13 | joga | RST38h: running 100% all the time? |
| 17:48.21 | joga | I mean, has someone's n900 broken down? |
| 17:48.34 | wall[e] | or memory allocation level |
| 17:48.44 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah, amazing isn't it? |
| 17:48.50 | chem|st | joga: you may find some info on stress tests for omap without overclocking, some of the older ones took about a day at 400MHz if I remember right |
| 17:48.52 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 17:48.58 | RST38h | Mohammad: Learning something new daily... |
| 17:49.13 | Viliny_ | meh, this isn't working out that well, most of you come across as elitist shutins right now |
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| 17:49.17 | MohammadAG | then some guy thought he was smart and added maths to the equation, thus making C++ |
| 17:49.20 | Viliny_ | used to be fun talking in here |
| 17:49.29 | joga | chem|st: so in principle you're saying that a runaway process on my phone could ruin it in hours? ;) |
| 17:50.00 | wall[e] | there were a moment in history that, a few doctors came out and say hey smoking is totally safe |
| 17:50.37 | chem|st | joga: no, that improved alot but I would not try to run it on fixed 600 for to long though |
| 17:50.38 | wall[e] | but for this both side needs some physical prove |
| 17:50.43 | wall[e] | at atomic level? |
| 17:50.47 | joga | chem|st: for some reason I'm tempted to try :) |
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| 17:51.01 | RST38h | Mohammad: You mean the one named after the dead ostrich? |
| 17:51.16 | joga | personally I would *expect* nokia to have run it for long periods of 100% cpu use, but I dunno |
| 17:51.48 | chem|st | joga: well ask nokia for a spare device where something else is broken anyway to show people what the n900 is up for |
| 17:51.52 | joga | (that's what I would do if I were to release a phone, anyway. put it under stress for a few months and see) |
| 17:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki C_(programming_language) |
| 17:52.45 | chem|st | joga: yeah the device stress tests look some kind different |
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| 17:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | K&R == Kernigan & Ritchie |
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| 17:53.22 | chem|st | I think the design will keep up to 4 years at least |
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| 17:53.42 | GAN900 | lol, elitist shutins! |
| 17:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, sorry |
| 17:53.55 | chem|st | does someone know if the info is right that 125MHz was kept out of settings because of malfunctioning? |
| 17:53.57 | GAN900 | Somebody should start a social club or something. |
| 17:54.02 | MohammadAG | RST38h, lolwut |
| 17:54.14 | GAN900 | chem|st, no idea |
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| 17:54.42 | GAN900 | chem|st, might prod Igor, though. |
| 17:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: It's what rumor has |
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| 17:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | instable |
| 17:55.50 | chem|st | I dont find any omap3 device running at 125MHz so it might be two issues [instability; powerconsumption] |
| 17:55.59 | chem|st | I bet on #1 |
| 17:56.07 | MohammadAG | which causes #2 ;) |
| 17:56.29 | chem|st | well if you put it that way it should do yes |
| 17:56.30 | MohammadAG | device will take longer to be stable again |
| 17:56.39 | wall[e] | look for a free group gallery with rating button |
| 17:56.48 | wall[e] | flickr has a group one but i can't see rating |
| 17:57.15 | wall[e] | for n900 art |
| 17:57.34 | summel | how do i setup qemu on mac os for the qt creator sdk thingy beta? |
| 17:58.23 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer / SpeedEvil / javispedro (and anybody else relevent), just wanted to thank you guys for all of your hacktivity. It's nice to see things happening. :) |
| 17:58.40 | Dima_Sharihin | nice =^.^= |
| 17:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | ack, same here (as my contributions were actually small during last 24h of amazing progress) |
| 17:59.30 | Viliny_ | one last thing, since you seem to know so much. How is the arm in the n900 different to desktop processors - if it is? |
| 18:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: It's optimized for low power consumption. That afects virtually all aspects of the chip and its properties |
| 18:00.27 | Viliny_ | ah i see |
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| 18:00.35 | chem|st | Viliny_: the arm itself is a different architecture |
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| 18:02.07 | Viliny_ | well basicly, you get so used to overclocking in the modern age when motherboards are coming out with built in overclocking and everyone doing it - my gaming laptop has a switch to overclock it - somewhere in all of this it just started to feel like a trivial thing. I have a 7 year computer which has been running heavily overclocked since day 1 without any problems and so has my current... |
| 18:02.09 | Viliny_ | ...newer computer |
| 18:02.38 | Viliny_ | but i don't pretend i know exactly how things work under the hood |
| 18:03.06 | pupnik_ | who does |
| 18:03.40 | pupnik_ | ok finnish rail is pretty bad |
| 18:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: that overclocking is really minimal comared to what is going on with N900 right now. Also - as mentioned above - the chip is *very* different in its properties to a usual Intel x86 processor |
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| 18:05.19 | Viliny_ | So with all this and the huge overclocking thread with all it's supporters is going to end with a lot of users with dead phones in less than a year? |
| 18:05.24 | pupnik_ | and ppl are ocing up to 50 pct |
| 18:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: yes |
| 18:06.00 | MohammadAG | hopefully :P |
| 18:06.30 | Viliny_ | MohammadAG: why do you hate overclockers then? :P |
| 18:06.39 | Viliny_ | i mean, it's their phone, right? |
| 18:06.45 | MohammadAG | thanks DocScrutinizer for that |
| 18:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: until it becomes my phone when I buy a used one that'll fail after 4 weeks |
| 18:07.18 | pupnik_ | a fun experiment for ti. wonder if we could get a report of time spent in OC |
| 18:08.11 | wall[e] | to know when oc'ed device will die and sell it a week before that is an art(!) |
| 18:08.48 | MohammadAG | of thievery |
| 18:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: don't you know several apps like HAM already have hidden cpufreq analysis and reporting, and recent downtime in maemo.org was to implement the 'call home' ? :-) |
| 18:08.49 | Viliny_ | do you guys have any sources discussing overclocking and risks on arm processors? |
| 18:09.00 | MohammadAG | doubts that |
| 18:09.03 | wall[e] | but with a few human experiments the time would be more precise. |
| 18:09.10 | Dima202 | overclocking is baad.. mkay? |
| 18:09.12 | MohammadAG | if there was 1 it'd have 10 views or so |
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| 18:09.34 | MohammadAG | o/ ossipena |
| 18:09.47 | ossipena | hi MohammadAG |
| 18:10.08 | wall[e] | and you won't be able to sell non oc'ed device if oc devices start dying |
| 18:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: search wikipedia for 'electromigration' |
| 18:10.20 | wall[e] | coz nobody will know if yours is oc'ed or not |
| 18:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: exactly |
| 18:11.14 | ossipena | what was the dev channel name? |
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| 18:11.44 | MohammadAG | #maemo-dev i think |
| 18:11.57 | summel | no |
| 18:11.57 | summel | :D |
| 18:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | #maemo-devel |
| 18:12.05 | summel | not if you have more then 1 developer |
| 18:12.07 | summel | :P |
| 18:12.08 | Joefrig | What if I overclock overclock for like an hour and then switch back? Thats it? warranty is voided even if device fails one year from now? |
| 18:12.25 | ossipena | thanks |
| 18:12.28 | MohammadAG | #maemo-development |
| 18:12.31 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 18:12.36 | Dima202 | Joefrig You only get one year warranty |
| 18:12.39 | ossipena | wondered too because maemo-dev was empty |
| 18:12.40 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 18:12.41 | ossipena | :) |
| 18:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | Joefrig: yes |
| 18:12.53 | MohammadAG | no dev channel? |
| 18:13.29 | Joefrig | how do they know tho? |
| 18:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: devel! |
| 18:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | Joefrig: see wikipedia 'electromigration' |
| 18:13.56 | wall[e] | all finger prints over O and C buttons! |
| 18:14.11 | MohammadAG | friendly welcome WARNING: Trolls will be booted on first troll |
| 18:14.13 | Viliny_ | DocScrutinizer yes i read some of that wikipage but i just wondered if there would be an article about these particular processors falling victim to this effect |
| 18:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: it's all in TI's datasheet for the processor |
| 18:14.56 | Viliny_ | im sorry, TI ? |
| 18:14.57 | MohammadAG | ossipena, #maemo-devel it is then.. |
| 18:15.01 | BCMM | ok, i've made myself two ekiga accounts, and set one up on the n900 |
| 18:15.01 | MohammadAG | Texas Instruments |
| 18:15.18 | BCMM | i can call their echo service on my pc, works fine |
| 18:15.29 | BCMM | i can call the phone from the pc, and hear sound from the pc |
| 18:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2010-05-07 20:12:04] <DocScrutinizer> #maemo-devel :-P |
| 18:15.33 | BCMM | but no sound from phone on pc |
| 18:15.40 | BCMM | i can call the PC from the phone |
| 18:15.47 | BCMM | it connects, but no sound |
| 18:15.50 | BCMM | wtf? |
| 18:15.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol forgot to quote you ;p |
| 18:16.10 | MohammadAG | mic dead? |
| 18:16.11 | Viliny_ | im having a hard time finding anything with google on the subject - i guess i should stop asking about this |
| 18:16.30 | summel | BCMM: there is a bug in telepathy with ekiga accounts |
| 18:16.39 | MohammadAG | who ya gonna call? GhostBusters! :P |
| 18:16.54 | chem|st | BCMM: I'd say your pc settings are wrong, have you tried to call another phone? |
| 18:17.00 | summel | you should use another provider or/and hope they fix ekiga in pr 1.2 if they ever will |
| 18:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: try with a decent phone instead of PC |
| 18:17.14 | chem|st | summel: oh nice |
| 18:17.19 | summel | chem|st: yes :D |
| 18:17.26 | BCMM | chem|st: well, the PC is ekiga with an ekiga.net account |
| 18:17.34 | BCMM | chem|st: and it works fine on thier echo service |
| 18:17.35 | Viliny_ | "The ARM Cortexâ¢-A8 processor is based on the ARMv7 architecture and has the ability to scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz." - Is this not what the N900 is using? |
| 18:17.37 | summel | i just registered with another free sip provider :) |
| 18:17.41 | chem|st | Viliny_: just stop oc and go for tweaking instead |
| 18:17.45 | BCMM | summel: ah, thanks |
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| 18:17.53 | MohammadAG | Viliny_, yes |
| 18:17.59 | summel | but i use jingle more often then sip |
| 18:18.00 | BCMM | summel: who would you recommend? i'm kinda overwhelmed by the number of SIP providers |
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| 18:18.06 | Viliny_ | chem|st: any tips on flash performance? |
| 18:18.15 | summel | BCMM: just asecond i check what provider i used :D |
| 18:18.30 | chem|st | Viliny_: the series is able to yes but the version used for n900 is limited to 600 |
| 18:18.40 | Joefrig | DocScrutinizer: Do Nokia really go through the process of checking traces of atoms to see if it's been overclocked? |
| 18:18.41 | BCMM | summel: ideally, one which can make calls to landlines, and is peered with other SIP networks |
| 18:18.43 | summel | www.sip2sip.info |
| 18:18.44 | chem|st | Viliny_: SD or build in? |
| 18:18.50 | Viliny_ | chem|st: has that limitation or is limited to? |
| 18:19.10 | summel | BCMM: afaik they also do landlines (but you have to pay for that of course) |
| 18:19.10 | chem|st | has that limitation |
| 18:19.26 | BCMM | Viliny_: that the CPU itself can scale to that frequency does not imply that the n900 can dissapate heat from the CPU when it runs at that frequency |
| 18:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | Joefrig: no, that's another point why we hate OCers. Nokia will simply say "OC - no warranty" no matter what the actual cause of failure was |
| 18:19.31 | Viliny_ | chem|st: SD or build in? I'm sorry i didn't understand that |
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| 18:19.40 | MohammadAG | it's not heat... |
| 18:19.40 | chem|st | BCMM: whats wrong with sipgate? |
| 18:19.59 | BCMM | chem|st: uh, lemme think, i tried a few |
| 18:20.06 | BCMM | chem|st: i think it wouldn't make calls to ekiga |
| 18:20.20 | chem|st | Viliny_: for flash... and now I am the riddle king... you mean flash as in adobe |
| 18:20.35 | Viliny_ | yes i mean the flash support in microb |
| 18:20.37 | BCMM | summel: and sip2sip can basically make calls to other sip networks? |
| 18:20.45 | Joefrig | DocScrutinizer: I understand, it is unfair if someone fried their device and then starts complaining to Nokia |
| 18:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | Joefrig: though you bet Nokia will find ways to tell the device was overclocked, even without electron microscopy |
| 18:20.58 | summel | BCMM: yes that is for free :) |
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| 18:21.06 | BCMM | summel: thanks |
| 18:21.11 | chem|st | Viliny_: have you tried firefox for flash? |
| 18:21.15 | summel | though i could not successfully test video sip calls because i only have one sip contact :D |
| 18:21.20 | BCMM | summel: do you mind if i ask you when i get stuck working out configuration |
| 18:21.22 | BCMM | ? |
| 18:21.31 | BCMM | summel: the n900 does SIP video calls? |
| 18:21.46 | Viliny_ | chem|st: it seemed slower overall so i went with the assumption that flash would be bad as well |
| 18:21.49 | summel | sure, but i dont know if i can help... i only registered and made it work on the n900 i dont call landlines with sip :D |
| 18:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | Joefrig: see wikipedia JTAG, to get an idea |
| 18:22.07 | BCMM | summel: well, i'm pretty confused about sip in general |
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| 18:22.11 | chem|st | BCMM: with pr1.2 it will |
| 18:22.14 | summel | BCMM: when i cal my sip contact i can see the camera button for a short time so i guess it can |
| 18:22.33 | summel | but i know the contacts client has problems with video calls |
| 18:22.34 | dhq | BCMM: i dont get that :( |
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| 18:22.57 | Joefrig | DocScrutinizer: yah if the device was o/c'ed when it died they could read that info using jtag |
| 18:23.45 | Viliny_ | chem|st: so no, haven't tested it |
| 18:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | Joefrig: they also can spot the location of a breakage down to very few gates on a chip, and then consider how likely it is those gates failed by another reason than OC |
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| 18:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | this can be done independantly of the kernel that's in NAND when the device breaks |
| 18:24.49 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: isn't that too much work? |
| 18:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
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| 18:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | ...or they go the simple route and claim "OC" no matter what the actual error is |
| 18:25.36 | Joefrig | DocScrutinizer: yeah they are looking at the hardware itself |
| 18:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | whatever is earning more money to Nokia |
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| 18:26.08 | Shapeshifter | has a single device been destroyed yet? |
| 18:26.08 | chem|st | Viliny_: I got only initial hickups but those I have with a dualcore just the same.... |
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| 18:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | I bet several were destroyed, but nobody will let you know |
| 18:26.49 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I kinda doubt they wouldn't come whining on tmo. |
| 18:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs again |
| 18:27.20 | chem|st | Shapeshifter: after the last discussion I doubt they come... |
| 18:27.21 | Viliny_ | The people who thought their device went poof came and complained so i have a hard time thinking those with the real deal wouldn't |
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| 18:28.31 | BCMM | summel: not working :( |
| 18:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene the CPU won't explode in a sudden, it just starts throwing more and more errors, segfaulting processes, freezing for no apparent reason, and so on |
| 18:28.43 | BCMM | i can call my pc, it rings, it connects |
| 18:28.44 | BCMM | no sound |
| 18:28.49 | BCMM | i cannot call the phone from the pc |
| 18:28.54 | BCMM | i can IM from the phone to the PC |
| 18:28.55 | Shapeshifter | and about the 500mhz idle being dangerous - well at least you *could* lock it at 412mhz. that's what the iphone uses and I haven't seen those go poof. |
| 18:28.59 | BCMM | but i cannot send IM from the pc |
| 18:29.24 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, the battery would go poof |
| 18:29.34 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: my n900 is already freezing for no apparent reason and I'm not overclocking :P |
| 18:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: NAT issue? |
| 18:29.43 | BCMM | i suspect the phone will not so much break as wear out at a greatly increased rate |
| 18:29.48 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: probably... |
| 18:29.54 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: but they are both on the same network |
| 18:29.56 | Viliny_ | Someone on talk mentioned that other devices using the same processor are running at 800mhz, thoughts? |
| 18:30.03 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: so i don't understand the assymetry |
| 18:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: see? how likely is it you'll blame OC if that gets more frequent? |
| 18:30.20 | BCMM | Viliny_: those other devices have different power supplies and different thermal management |
| 18:30.29 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh? I was joking anyway, because IO is so damn slow. |
| 18:30.51 | Shapeshifter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.03 | Viliny_ | BCMM: heat wasn't an issue, remember? |
| 18:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: and probably different chip version |
| 18:31.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you fix the pwr btn? |
| 18:31.38 | BCMM | Viliny_: why isn't heat an issue? |
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| 18:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: 2 SIP clients behind same NAT always is asking for trouble |
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| 18:32.07 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: worse than 2 sip clients behind different NATs? |
| 18:32.09 | Viliny_ | BCMM: i don't know, it's been repeated here several times now |
| 18:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no. For now I'm practicing how to push it the right way |
| 18:32.26 | BCMM | i'll give it a go on 3g |
| 18:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes |
| 18:32.31 | Shapeshifter | still, before a clear verdict has been reached, I think claims in both directions are just wild guesses. Just because some guy from nokia said not to lock it at high frequencies (which would be using the cpu outside it's specs) doesn't mean it's all evil and stuff. I haven't seen any evidence regarding a notable difference in speed anywhere, I haven't seen any evidence for cpu's being damaged (yet). |
| 18:32.48 | Shapeshifter | it's all "*shrug" |
| 18:33.21 | Shapeshifter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: (heat) see wikipedia 'electromigration' |
| 18:33.41 | pupnik_ | we do have docs from ti |
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| 18:34.22 | BCMM | i should point out that i wasn't arguing that your device will be damaged; i was arguing that it is plausible that it will be |
| 18:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | /mode +m |
| 18:34.37 | BCMM | in practise, there will be a safe degree to which it can be overclocked |
| 18:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 18:34.40 | BCMM | that nobody knows yet |
| 18:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | needs more coffee |
| 18:34.59 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> /mode +m <-- please? |
| 18:35.04 | Viliny_ | gonna wear out that wikipedia page doc |
| 18:35.13 | wall[e] | noo |
| 18:35.14 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 18:35.28 | BCMM | on 3g, i can't even send im or connect a call |
| 18:35.42 | pupnik_ | huh? |
| 18:35.46 | Shapeshifter | still, I wonder if the cache flush when clock-scaling has a notable impact on the experience. |
| 18:35.59 | pupnik_ | has worn through n900 kbd |
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| 18:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: try to call (from) a decent landline phone to your N900 SIP client |
| 18:36.27 | Viliny_ | Alright, well i'm sorry for bringing this topic to the channel discussion. I honestly didn't know you guys despised overclocking the device so much... in fact i even thought you would like the idea - wasn't my intention to start any arguments or unpleasantries here... with that apology ill f off and stop bothering you all |
| 18:36.35 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: oh, i forgot it gave me a real number |
| 18:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: you're welcome |
| 18:37.07 | lcuk | look, right now this discussion is moot we have official word saying just dont bother - thats been there from the start and made very clear by eero, the only people who can officially say otherwise are gonna be eero and the system sw guys after discussions with ti themselves - |
| 18:37.09 | wall[e] | mom said i spoke too fast on OC device |
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| 18:38.20 | Viliny_ | who is eero lcuk ? a nokia worker? |
| 18:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: could you set up an autoresponder for that, please? :-D |
| 18:39.23 | BCMM | apparently i forget it didn't give me a real number :( |
| 18:40.32 | RST38h | Ah, cool, these guys switched to self service now: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/06/1617423/miami-airport-screener-beats-co.html |
| 18:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: switch for a decent SIP provider then ;-P ekiga is crap anyway (for the provider side for sure). I suggest sipgate.(de|at|uk) if that applies to you |
| 18:40.39 | HB | what scientific research is there that proves that 601 mhz will severely reduce the life time of said device, when the processor (65nm LP) is marketet to handle up to 800 mhz ? |
| 18:41.01 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i'm using sip2sip ATM |
| 18:41.27 | BCMM | HB: nobody said 601 will kill it |
| 18:41.33 | BCMM | HB: nobody knows what will kill it |
| 18:41.34 | arachnist | HB: it might have been downclocked for other reasons than potential lifetime |
| 18:41.44 | arachnist | HB: like heat |
| 18:41.47 | HB | for the electromigration problems, as long as using the same voltage it should not be an issue? right? |
| 18:41.56 | RST38h | No. |
| 18:41.56 | lcuk | battery life is one of my principle things |
| 18:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | HB: wrong |
| 18:42.30 | lcuk | screw anything else - mainting a healthy phone between charges outweighs anything, and we have plenty of horsepower to run all the apps we need |
| 18:42.59 | Dima202 | Has anyone tried porting Deluge? |
| 18:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | HB: omap has a special technology called SmartReflex, that decouples core from core voltage |
| 18:43.05 | HB | it is totally absurd to claim that 100% usage on 600mhz would not cause the same strain as an OCd device as long as the electrodensity is kept the same |
| 18:43.28 | RST38h | lcuk: Sorry to disappoint your zeal, but apparently, overclocked n900s do not eat that much more power |
| 18:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | HB: and it's not volage but current which causes electromigration |
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| 18:43.42 | lcuk | RST38h, a runaway process does |
| 18:43.47 | RST38h | lcuk: Probably because they still spend most of their time at lower frequencies |
| 18:43.49 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: HB yeah current |
| 18:43.53 | lcuk | yeah i know |
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| 18:44.13 | lcuk | just as now we run at lower frequencies most of the time |
| 18:44.28 | chem|st | HB its like perforating an Al-foil with a needle or a shotgun |
| 18:44.35 | RST38h | lcuk: Besides, the overclocked kernels actually lower core voltage |
| 18:44.55 | chem|st | in this case a Cu-foil with electrons |
| 18:44.58 | RST38h | lcuk: So, that higher current argument should also be taken with a bit of caution |
| 18:45.08 | Tuukka | Ummm, how do i update usb drivers on ubuntu? My portable hd ain't working with it (doesn't detect) |
| 18:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | HB: I.E electron density is a function of cpufrq and SmartReflex action, but not of core voltage |
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| 18:45.25 | Viliny_ | Tuukka: have you tried #ubuntu? |
| 18:45.52 | HB | i still maintain that the research into this is pretty dim, the circumstances are what decides the outcome, will there be more idle time on a oc processor e.g. and how big the higher rate is compared to the original. |
| 18:46.02 | Tuukka | Viliny_: ? |
| 18:46.04 | chem|st | Tuukka: what does dmsg say? |
| 18:46.13 | RST38h | HB: A lot of research into the causes of cancer is pretty dim |
| 18:46.31 | Viliny_ | Tuukka: You asked a ubuntu related question on a maemo channel - im confused about your confusion? |
| 18:46.34 | RST38h | HB: Will you risk it though? |
| 18:46.43 | HB | this is not talk about cancer matey, this is talks about electronics |
| 18:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | HB: seems TI has done pretty broad research into that, and gave us the results |
| 18:47.21 | HB | could you please link me the results, i obviously have some reading to do.. |
| 18:47.26 | Viliny_ | DocScrutinizer: have you got a link to that material so i could have a look? |
| 18:47.43 | Viliny_ | Oh and btw, i just reflashed to original - for all the haters :) |
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| 18:47.49 | Tuukka | there's some highspeed usb devices |
| 18:47.51 | pupnik_ | RST38h: precisely |
| 18:47.56 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:48.04 | Viliny_ | AND i intend to tell any buyers about the oc if i ever end up selling the phone |
| 18:48.07 | MohammadAG | hi johnsq |
| 18:48.19 | chem|st | HB: research on this matter made it possible to reduce size, I may not call it research if a bunch of el engineers do that by try and error but you might do... |
| 18:48.53 | RST38h | HB: Texas Instruments rates the chips it sells to Nokia at 600MHz top |
| 18:48.54 | chem|st | Viliny_: that way you may pack it up as present |
| 18:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: check texas_instruments.com - they provide all the papers, you just need to find the right one. Sorry no decent pointer here atm, as their download interface is really awkward |
| 18:49.11 | RST38h | HB: Even on that frequency, they have got a relatively short time between failures |
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| 18:49.37 | Shapeshifter | mh. I want a fuel cell for my n900. :> |
| 18:49.38 | RST38h | HB: No, "matey", if you are willing to disprove that, it is ok to go ahead and overclock your own device |
| 18:49.45 | Viliny_ | chem|st: pack it up as present? |
| 18:50.03 | RST38h | HB: As long as you are aware of voiding your warranty, that is fine and dandy |
| 18:50.13 | HB | i own no n900 matey :) |
| 18:50.30 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, why a fuel cell? I want nuclear cells! |
| 18:50.30 | RST38h | HB: But would you please spare us all the necessity of listening to your endless chatter about it? |
| 18:51.01 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: well a fuel cell might actually be feasable. I'd love it. probably... |
| 18:51.03 | RST38h | HB: If you do not own an n900, then I am not even sure WHY you are talking about this oc subject |
| 18:51.23 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, a nuclear 1 is feasable too |
| 18:51.25 | HB | im intrested in the processor in it self, as well as any device running on it |
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| 18:51.26 | RST38h | Shouldn't you be talking about ovecrlocking your iPhone or Android instead? |
| 18:51.30 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: the best thing about it is the recharge time of like 5 seconds. |
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| 18:51.52 | Shapeshifter | HB: why? it's an outdated chip anyway. |
| 18:51.57 | MohammadAG | well, nuclear batteries should have 1.5k lifetime on one charge |
| 18:51.59 | RST38h | You can get a 1GHz-rated OMAP3 from TI and use it. |
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| 18:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | away for more coffe, mumbling XXX-rated stuff |
| 18:52.04 | MohammadAG | (depending on half life) |
| 18:52.10 | RST38h | N900 has a 600MHz-rated OMAP3. |
| 18:52.17 | BCMM | if i can connect to a SIP account when on wifi, but can't when on 3g, does that mean my network is blocking SIP? |
| 18:52.18 | lcuk | MohammadAG, nuclear batteries should not leave me with additional testicles tho |
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| 18:52.19 | RST38h | Any more questions? |
| 18:52.21 | javispedro | ah, overclocking! |
| 18:52.28 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 18:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | hi javispedro |
| 18:52.40 | javispedro | afternoon |
| 18:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | great deal of work done on hostmode today :-D |
| 18:52.58 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yes, why do we all moo? |
| 18:53.03 | MohammadAG | hey javispedro |
| 18:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks a lot |
| 18:53.08 | BusterB | I saw the thread about using a wiimote as a gamepad. Is there anyway to use it to control kmplayer? |
| 18:53.15 | RST38h | Mohammad: No idea why you moo. I moo because I am a cow. |
| 18:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: UGT |
| 18:53.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: at this point I am not following what egoshin is doing though |
| 18:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~ugt |
| 18:53.45 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:54.05 | hrw | hi |
| 18:54.13 | RST38h | heya hrw |
| 18:54.17 | javispedro | hey hrw |
| 18:54.28 | hrw | how to make screenshot of maemo5 from shell? |
| 18:54.29 | javispedro | hrw: you did also n900 host mode work previously iirc? |
| 18:54.37 | hrw | javispedro: no |
| 18:54.44 | javispedro | ah |
| 18:55.04 | hrw | I have modest in portrait |
| 18:55.18 | javispedro | hrw: there's a tool, "screenshot-tool" |
| 18:55.22 | javispedro | should be in some repo, probably tools |
| 18:55.24 | hrw | so far tried to use in portrait: modest, witter, conversations |
| 18:55.24 | Shapeshifter | the video quality of the n900 is awesome. i'm amazed everytime. |
| 18:55.34 | Shapeshifter | picture quality is abysmal, video quality is sweet. |
| 18:56.48 | hrw | javispedro: sdk/tools? |
| 18:56.50 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, yeah when i used macro recording n900-n900 i was surprised |
| 18:56.56 | lcuk | crystal clear recording |
| 18:57.15 | Shapeshifter | it's amazing. what do you mean by n900-n900? |
| 18:57.31 | wall[e] | is underclocking safe? |
| 18:57.36 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 18:57.53 | Viliny_ | Shapeshifter: recorded video? |
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| 18:58.00 | javispedro | hrw: think so |
| 18:58.06 | Shapeshifter | Viliny_: recording using the camera, yes. |
| 18:58.30 | Viliny_ | ah yeah, really a lottery with the camera |
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| 18:58.38 | Viliny_ | haven't played back any video yet |
| 18:58.46 | javispedro | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/screenshot-tool/ |
| 18:59.42 | hrw | thx |
| 19:00.21 | hrw | shift-ctrl-r shortcut roxx |
| 19:02.30 | zokier | is it possible to get raw data from camera or does it produce jpegs directly on hardware? |
| 19:02.36 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/modest1.png |
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| 19:03.14 | flux | zokier, I don't know, but it's pretty advanced so I guess it can do both ways. but bandwidth might be an issue if you want many images. |
| 19:03.29 | lcuk | nice hrw! |
| 19:03.44 | Shapeshifter | mh. well that is odd. I installed transitioncontrol but it doesn't show up in the more menu. I did dpkg -L transitioncontrol to see what files it owns and /usr/share/applications/hildon/transitioncontrol.desktop is there and the contents look okay. |
| 19:03.50 | Shapeshifter | why's it not in the more menu? |
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| 19:04.23 | hrw | lcuk: no hacks - just LR1.2 + one shortcut |
| 19:04.49 | hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/vert-witter.png shows that witter needs some help |
| 19:05.02 | lcuk | yeah hrw :) you gonna make a writeup of eveyrthing that works well |
| 19:05.12 | lcuk | hey! im on that photo |
| 19:06.01 | MohammadAG | oooh, it has portrait now? |
| 19:06.32 | Shapeshifter | I'd be happy if modest would enable me to select text ... |
| 19:06.38 | hrw | MohammadAG: there is a debug shortcut in hildon to switch app to portrait |
| 19:06.47 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 19:06.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: a question though, what happens if vbus is literally 0v when trying to be host of a selfpowered hub? does it depend on the hub, does the standard dictate something? |
| 19:07.06 | hrw | MohammadAG: you need LR1.2 for it |
| 19:07.30 | hrw | javispedro: I am using powered hubs which do not have +5v line with beagleboard |
| 19:07.39 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 19:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: depends on hub for all I know |
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| 19:07.56 | MohammadAG | hrw, can't i just use the 1.2 hildon desktop? |
| 19:08.25 | hrw | MohammadAG: do backup and try |
| 19:08.34 | hrw | MohammadAG: prepare for reflashing anyway |
| 19:08.42 | javispedro | I have the suspicion that my hub might use host vbus |
| 19:08.45 | MohammadAG | and why's that |
| 19:08.46 | javispedro | for its controller |
| 19:08.57 | MohammadAG | I have the packages for 1.2 installed for about a week |
| 19:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | I have a hub here that clearly doesn't care about VBUS on upstream port, as it is simply linked to the external power receptacle via a diode aiui |
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| 19:09.09 | javispedro | hrw: hey, you have a beagleboard? |
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| 19:09.35 | hrw | javispedro: 3 |
| 19:09.35 | javispedro | the one with a working otg port? |
| 19:09.48 | javispedro | interesting |
| 19:09.50 | MohammadAG | ctrl shift r you say, it works! |
| 19:10.02 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/Y-Cable/ |
| 19:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: heh, could we ask you to do some simple tests for us? :-) |
| 19:10.48 | javispedro | ++ :) |
| 19:10.48 | hrw | javispedro: B7 + 2xC3 - all worked |
| 19:11.03 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: after UDS-M please. so 17th May |
| 19:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, k |
| 19:11.18 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: today I do not want to play with BB and next week I am at uds-m |
| 19:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | whatever UDS-M might be |
| 19:11.34 | javispedro | ubuntu summit iirc |
| 19:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 19:11.52 | hrw | ubuntu developers summit (maverick) |
| 19:12.04 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: I work for Canonical |
| 19:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 19:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 19:13.15 | VDVsx | lol, very good |
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| 19:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: but never mind, we all do stuff we would like to be different |
| 19:14.11 | javispedro | ah, the igepv2 has a tsp65950 instead of twl3040 |
| 19:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | probably canonical isn't the worst you can find |
| 19:14.25 | Shapeshifter | hrw: can you kick the guy that decided licensing H.264? |
| 19:14.28 | Shapeshifter | or girl |
| 19:14.30 | javispedro | but the ips is pin compatible with the 3040 iirc |
| 19:14.30 | Shapeshifter | who knows |
| 19:14.33 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: ;) |
| 19:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? |
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| 19:15.06 | javispedro | I was once thinking of buying http://www.igep.es/images/stories/igepv2_rc_photo2.jpg |
| 19:15.15 | javispedro | beagleboard-alike with wi-fi |
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| 19:15.57 | javispedro | note the usb host connected to ehci controller and otg to musb |
| 19:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no idea what's a igepv2, but on N900 we also have TSP65950 iirc, aka TWL5030/4030 |
| 19:16.58 | javispedro | s/ips/tsp :P |
| 19:17.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think the tsp65950 is the 4030 with fixed charger detection |
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| 19:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | echo musb_hdrc >unload; modprobe OHCI_HCD |
| 19:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how we should 'disable bme' like suggested by blue_led |
| 19:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (fixed chrg_det) makes sense |
| 19:21.07 | javispedro | hm, they do not share pins |
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| 19:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: please also read http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB every now and then |
| 19:22.07 | javispedro | ah, interesting. |
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| 19:25.52 | javispedro | another interesting test would be to try to boot a host mode only kernel. this probably will be more easy with a meego image or something less prone to crashing on boot. |
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| 19:26.12 | javispedro | aiui beagleboards with those. |
| 19:26.15 | javispedro | *work. |
| 19:28.13 | javispedro | btw in case you're interesting when looking through the kernel, the n8x0 host stuff is in the n900 kernel. instead of omap2430.c they use http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/tusb6010.c |
| 19:28.14 | pupnik | toasts javispedro and channel |
| 19:28.30 | javispedro | *interested. |
| 19:28.37 | javispedro | zaps pupnik |
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| 19:29.33 | javispedro | at least we know the n8x0 one works perfectly. |
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| 19:30.22 | javispedro | --> out. |
| 19:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | gah |
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| 19:36.34 | Khertan | lol ... while looking at ohloh.net for the first time |
| 19:36.40 | Khertan | i look at ranking ... |
| 19:36.42 | Khertan | https://www.ohloh.net/people/rankings?show=19906 |
| 19:36.50 | Khertan | and just before my position i see GeneralAntilles |
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| 19:36.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:36.53 | Khertan | héhé |
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| 19:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: search schematics for 'Vdigimic'; please tell me what you think |
| 19:40.04 | Viliny_ | Khertan: i thought you were top 3 at first :) |
| 19:40.18 | Khertan | and ... nope :) |
| 19:40.40 | Khertan | but from what i see many of my project aren't in this tracker |
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| 19:42.52 | Khertan | about maemo on ohloh : Decreasing year-over-year development activity |
| 19:42.54 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:43.24 | frals | where does it pull from? |
| 19:43.27 | lcuk | Khertan, then get coding more |
| 19:43.55 | Khertan | lcuk, yep |
| 19:44.04 | Khertan | but as i'm learning a new framework |
| 19:44.10 | Khertan | i made many mistake :) |
| 19:44.15 | Khertan | but it s in progress : |
| 19:44.20 | lcuk | if generalantilles is ahead of you then that means its not noticing everything |
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| 19:45.00 | Khertan | http://gitorious.org/khteditor < :) |
| 19:45.34 | Khertan | it s funny to see that highlighting syntax and kinectic scrolling are more faster in qt |
| 19:45.51 | Khertan | (and easier to do) |
| 19:46.34 | lcuk | is there really that big a difference when you are coding in python? |
| 19:46.49 | Khertan | hum ... the framework :) |
| 19:46.55 | oilgame_ | I have problem with apt-get -> I cant install or upgrade anything, it just says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)". Graphical application manager installs applications without any problems. http://pastebin.org/207782 |
| 19:47.02 | Khertan | a framework that take for search a regex |
| 19:47.32 | Khertan | and one that didn't use it ... mean that you need to do it yourself |
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| 19:47.43 | Khertan | so you pass more time in python ... so a bit slower |
| 19:47.58 | Khertan | but a counter example is the keyPressEvent |
| 19:48.19 | Khertan | i didn't understand why it s slower than the equivalent things with gtk |
| 19:48.29 | Khertan | and yes this make diff |
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| 19:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | 597 * REVISIT: It would be possible to add support for changing between host |
| 19:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | 598 * and peripheral modes in non-OTG configurations by reconfiguring hardware |
| 19:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | 599 * and then setting musb->board_mode. For now, only support OTG mode. |
| 19:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | from http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/tusb6010.c |
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| 20:09.55 | pupnik | are we hunting wabbits? |
| 20:12.59 | Viliny_ | does having battery eye and battery graph contribute noticeably to the battery getting drained? |
| 20:13.06 | Viliny_ | i mean if they track the battery life constantly |
| 20:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | might be |
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| 20:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | what's wabbits? |
| 20:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict wabbit |
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| 20:15.57 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBAZidONziI at :28 |
| 20:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | forkbomb? |
| 20:15.58 | Viliny_ | DocScrutinizer - if the beforementioned apps constantly wake the processor or something to that effect? |
| 20:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | Viliny_: yep, possibly |
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| 20:17.19 | Viliny_ | is there a program for maemo like the one i had in ubuntu from ... intel or nvidia which diagnosed the laptop to determine worst cpu wake uppers? |
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| 20:17.28 | Viliny_ | and then suggest steps to get better battery life? |
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| 20:18.05 | lcuk | Viliny_, theres powertop |
| 20:18.18 | lcuk | but if its in ubuntu - is it a gui app? |
| 20:18.23 | lcuk | or just a console report? |
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| 20:19.27 | Shapeshifter | mh. powertop ain't packaged. |
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| 20:22.24 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ ? |
| 20:23.17 | Shapeshifter | :[ |
| 20:23.28 | Shapeshifter | apt-cache search powertop didn't show it >.> |
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| 20:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I had to download the pkg somewhere. Sorry forgot the source URL |
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| 20:26.50 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mhh |
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| 20:26.59 | Cabletwitch | Yo |
| 20:27.10 | Shapeshifter | but this is odd. if it's on the packages page, why can't I find it in extras-devel |
| 20:27.21 | Cabletwitch | I appear to have confused the media player somewhat XD |
| 20:27.22 | ManoftheSea | Hello, I'm not a bot, but I will be immediately going idle. |
| 20:27.25 | Shapeshifter | ah wait. "building failed" |
| 20:27.38 | Shapeshifter | it's broken and the packager didn't finish his job ;) |
| 20:27.56 | lcuk | ManoftheSea, why? |
| 20:28.29 | Cabletwitch | Anyone have any clue as to how you'd nuke phantom entries in the media players library? |
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| 20:29.06 | Cabletwitch | Its gone from claiming 11k files to jjst over 5k, but its driving me mental. |
| 20:29.53 | Cabletwitch | On a related note, dont ever copy the entire L4D2 folder to your N900 unless you want the same problem XD |
| 20:30.32 | SpeedEvil | Cabletwitch: nule the tracker db |
| 20:30.51 | MohammadAG | tracker-processes -r |
| 20:31.16 | Cabletwitch | Hmm. A terminal job, then? |
| 20:31.33 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.34 | Cabletwitch | Lemme guess, gonna need to go root to do that? |
| 20:31.37 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:31.45 | SpeedEvil | well - actually - no |
| 20:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | for /home/user? I'd be surprised |
| 20:32.23 | Cabletwitch | You may recall I'm barely above new user with these sorts of things. Be gentle :O) |
| 20:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia'd be better off keeping away from tracker a lightyear |
| 20:33.20 | Cabletwitch | I'm the system-proof idiot that manages to stuff up idiot-proof systems. |
| 20:33.49 | ManoftheSea | lcuk: because I'll be coming back eventually, and I'll be able to view the community standards. |
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| 20:34.00 | ruskie | fun... finally the ~/ filesystem crashed and took most of the data with it on the n900 |
| 20:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | uuh |
| 20:34.29 | Cabletwitch | Glad to know I'm not the only one breaking stuff. |
| 20:34.46 | ruskie | well this was just normal use |
| 20:34.52 | lcuk | ManoftheSea, thats reasonable - where do you normally hang out and what sort of community do you expect to see here? |
| 20:35.12 | ruskie | repartitioned mmc but still if the init process supported fscking every so often this wouldn't have happened |
| 20:35.48 | ManoftheSea | I'll be asking questions. But I love my linux handheld. Away now |
| 20:36.16 | ruskie | I think I went through some 10 fscks on all mmc partitions using the handy bootmenu.sh and a fbcon capable kernel :) |
| 20:36.36 | ruskie | the 10 fscks were due to all the errors that kept happening |
| 20:36.59 | Cabletwitch | understood about 10% of what ruskie said. |
| 20:38.10 | ruskie | now I'm wondering if I should reimport contacts and configure it back to par or reflash it with meego and have a play with that or reflash it with 1.1 and go from there again |
| 20:38.45 | ShadowJK | I fsck'd non-mounted /home and that nuked it :) |
| 20:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | Cabletwitch: listen to MohammadAG ! |
| 20:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: tracker-processes [OPTION...] - Manage Tracker processes and data; -r, --hard-reset This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases |
| 20:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 20:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | Cabletwitch: ^^^ |
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| 20:39.39 | ShadowJK | it was "mounted with errors" but working fine before that.. I shouldn't have ran fsck :) |
| 20:39.53 | Cabletwitch | so... tracker-processes --hard-reset? |
| 20:40.27 | ruskie | ShadowJK, yeah same here... though it wasn't working fine |
| 20:40.34 | ruskie | was losing files and so on |
| 20:40.45 | Cabletwitch | I'll go give that a try. See if I cant break something else while I'm at it. |
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| 20:40.59 | ruskie | you can't put a fs that requires maintenance every so often and skip the maintenance |
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| 20:43.36 | ruskie | good thing I have some backup of all the stuff from january or so |
| 20:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | fsck fuckng instead fsckng isn't really nice, it's fsckng nasty |
| 20:43.49 | Cabletwitch | No, that didnt work. looks like the entries for these files are still present in the system, even after the files were deleted. |
| 20:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | Cabletwitch: that's really strange |
| 20:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | Cabletwitch: you restarted the mediaplayer? |
| 20:44.31 | Cabletwitch | Might have had something do do with it going mental while removong said files. |
| 20:44.39 | MohammadAG | tracker-processes --hard-reset |
| 20:44.43 | MohammadAG | check /home space |
| 20:44.44 | Cabletwitch | Restarted everything. |
| 20:44.54 | MohammadAG | check /home space |
| 20:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke tracker |
| 20:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | gah |
| 20:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 20:45.17 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:45.21 | Cabletwitch | goes to check... |
| 20:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 20:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke tracker |
| 20:45.35 | MohammadAG | tracker is protected by nokia |
| 20:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart tracker |
| 20:45.39 | infobot | beats tracker to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 20:45.53 | MohammadAG | ~nuke infobot |
| 20:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo nuke |
| 20:45.55 | infobot | nuke -- last modified at Fri Jul 7 07:31:41 2006 by mikk1!i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com; it has been requested 15 times, last by Tuukka, 4d 8h 26m 51s ago. |
| 20:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 20:47.20 | MohammadAG | ~nuke |
| 20:47.20 | infobot | Cockroach. I win. |
| 20:47.40 | MohammadAG | o.O |
| 20:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer |
| 20:47.44 | infobot | [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 20:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | don't get it |
| 20:48.02 | MohammadAG | ~nuke |
| 20:48.02 | infobot | Cockroach. I win. |
| 20:48.09 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 20:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke x |
| 20:48.16 | Cabletwitch | Ok, nothing out of the ordinary, as far as my untrained eye can see. |
| 20:48.30 | MohammadAG | home isn't 100%? |
| 20:49.02 | Cabletwitch | I wonder if whatever equivilant of the FAT table didnt get updated properly when it spazzed out while deleting those files. |
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| 20:49.55 | Cabletwitch | MohammadAG: I'm really unfamiliar with linux and its filesystem, so all I can tell you is there are no unexpected files. |
| 20:50.09 | Cabletwitch | This is me on my learning cliff. |
| 20:51.54 | MohammadAG | df, and see how much space is free |
| 20:52.05 | lcuk | ~df |
| 20:52.05 | infobot | rumour has it, df is at the top of the shot as well, reporting I still have 1.1M available - 62% usage |
| 20:52.17 | Cabletwitch | One sec... |
| 20:52.33 | lcuk | Cabletwitch, df shows you all the partitions/mounts in use and their free space |
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| 20:52.55 | lcuk | we should really have decent explanations of the common maemo stuff |
| 20:53.05 | lcuk | and whats expected for a normal run |
| 20:53.18 | Cabletwitch | Ok, so what ma |
| 20:53.21 | lcuk | simple help yourself steps |
| 20:53.25 | Cabletwitch | ma? |
| 20:53.28 | lcuk | mmms |
| 20:53.34 | Cabletwitch | What am I looking for? |
| 20:53.56 | lcuk | MohammadAG, what does he need to check |
| 20:53.59 | Cabletwitch | Done the df, need to know what to tell you. |
| 20:54.02 | lcuk | came into convo half way through |
| 20:54.16 | MohammadAG | /home |
| 20:54.22 | lcuk | rootfs should have some space avail, tell us the use % also |
| 20:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | got .thumbnails and /home/user/.local/share/tracker but no .tracker |
| 20:55.09 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1561328 398024 80% /home |
| 20:55.11 | MohammadAG | that |
| 20:55.37 | Cabletwitch | Ahh, one sec. |
| 20:56.59 | Cabletwitch | Mine is /dev/mmcblk0p1, and its... 13% |
| 20:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 20:57.19 | Cabletwitch | No, my bad. |
| 20:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's MyDocs |
| 20:57.25 | Cabletwitch | Missed the right one XD |
| 20:57.39 | Cabletwitch | 10% |
| 20:58.03 | Cabletwitch | Presumably, thats the free space? |
| 20:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | used space |
| 20:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 20:58.24 | Cabletwitch | Ahh, thats less worrying then. |
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| 20:59.42 | Cabletwitch | If nothing else, I'm learning :O) |
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| 21:00.59 | lcuk | damn we need HealthCheck to run a batch of tests and let people compare them online |
| 21:01.15 | lcuk | n00bmonk3y is never around when you want to slap him wit ha trout |
| 21:01.23 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 21:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | what for? |
| 21:01.57 | dhq | what is an sdhc card |
| 21:03.24 | MohammadAG | <lcuk> n00bmonk3y is never around when you want to slap him wit ha trout |
| 21:03.30 | MohammadAG | he's on a trip |
| 21:03.30 | SpeedEvil | high capacity SD card. |
| 21:03.40 | SpeedEvil | It's a tiny data stroage card |
| 21:04.02 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:04.18 | MohammadAG | Cabletwitch, did you reboot? |
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| 21:04.20 | lcuk | oooh MohammadAG did he say where |
| 21:04.30 | MohammadAG | camping :) |
| 21:04.32 | lcuk | hope hes not got north sea fishing for cod |
| 21:04.36 | dhq | SpeedEvil: so its capable on n900 |
| 21:04.43 | Cabletwitch | MohammadAG: Many times. |
| 21:05.23 | Cabletwitch | I'll be back in 20mins, walking trackside to work :O) |
| 21:05.30 | MohammadAG | kk |
| 21:05.42 | MohammadAG | when you get back run top and see if trackerd is running |
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| 21:08.56 | Myrtti | I feel like a such a traitor, but I couldn't help it. http://flic.kr/p/7ZoSoj |
| 21:09.32 | MohammadAG | hmm, would be cool if someone made a daemon the changes the png for the calendar app each day |
| 21:10.36 | ruskie | there's a widget that does something like that |
| 21:10.45 | ruskie | not exactly though |
| 21:10.51 | MohammadAG | the calendar widget |
| 21:11.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, OTG thread at 777 posts lol |
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| 21:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope, at 778 ;-P |
| 21:11.39 | MohammadAG | grr :P |
| 21:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 21:11.52 | MohammadAG | 777 here :P |
| 21:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | F5! |
| 21:12.07 | MohammadAG | N900 will not allow USB OTG! (777) |
| 21:12.14 | opdf2 | im not sure if my xchat is 'broken' but is there supposed to be a broken image sign with xchat's bubble notifications? |
| 21:12.34 | MohammadAG | i just went to page 77, that's persumabely a refresh equivelant |
| 21:12.35 | moo--- | Myrtti: there is no justice |
| 21:13.03 | Myrtti | moo---: I know. It's horrible I'm using money to tune up a Nexus One I got for free |
| 21:13.47 | ioan | hi. I have ssh installed on my N900 and sshd on my computer. sshd is listening to port 9000. I want to create a secure tunnel between the two to use it for the N900 browser. How do I start the tunnel? |
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| 21:14.43 | Myrtti | ssh -L serverportnumber:localhost:localportnumber serverhostname.com |
| 21:14.53 | Myrtti | or that's how it works normally |
| 21:14.57 | SpeedEvil | Myrtti: yes - that's not so helpful for http |
| 21:14.58 | Myrtti | hold on |
| 21:15.07 | SpeedEvil | does microb understand socks? |
| 21:15.11 | ioan | yes |
| 21:15.26 | Myrtti | ssh -L serverportnumber:localhost:localportnumber serverhostname.com -p 9000 |
| 21:15.42 | Myrtti | but yes, not too useful |
| 21:15.49 | ioan | does that work with http? |
| 21:16.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 777! |
| 21:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 778! |
| 21:17.03 | lcuk | stop your whinging and just post in the damned thread |
| 21:17.08 | gavin | [ioan-n900~] ssh -p9000 -D1080 computer |
| 21:17.14 | MohammadAG | nah, i killed him |
| 21:17.15 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:17.22 | gavin | then configure microb to use localhost 1080 as a socks proxy |
| 21:17.38 | MohammadAG | to Nokia N900 by joerg_rw - 6 mins ago |
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| 21:17.43 | MohammadAG | 777! :P |
| 21:17.53 | lcuk | Myrtti i am dissapoint. |
| 21:18.08 | ioan | gavin: I'm trying right now |
| 21:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | BS, killed my Konversation |
| 21:18.19 | lcuk | looks awesome tho |
| 21:18.26 | lcuk | why cant we have those skins on n900? |
| 21:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | by hitting alt accidentally |
| 21:18.43 | Myrtti | lcuk: since I don't have moneys to buy a N900, I use what I get for free... |
| 21:18.43 | lcuk | they are adhesive |
| 21:19.15 | lcuk | Myrtti, meh what device you use isnt important - we will have maemo/meego on it one day :) |
| 21:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=648665&postcount=778 |
| 21:19.29 | lcuk | i like the skins |
| 21:19.42 | lcuk | tracy has tried 2 so far |
| 21:19.46 | lcuk | a hard plastic one |
| 21:19.51 | lcuk | and she has a jelly one |
| 21:19.54 | lcuk | neither seem right |
| 21:19.59 | lcuk | stick on might work |
| 21:20.00 | MohammadAG | that.. isn't showing up here .... even after 4 refreshes |
| 21:20.08 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 21:22.57 | Myrtti | of course I had to get https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?SkinID=187&DeviceID=83&s=a&CategoryID=56 too |
| 21:26.25 | lcuk | heh Myrtti |
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| 21:27.20 | Cabletwitch | aaand back. |
| 21:27.50 | Cabletwitch | Right, what did I miss? |
| 21:27.59 | MohammadAG | nothing interesting :P |
| 21:28.17 | Cabletwitch | Icuk talking about hard plastic and jelly skins. |
| 21:28.42 | Cabletwitch | Thats a bash quote if I ever saw one. |
| 21:29.26 | Cabletwitch | Right, any further thoughts about the phantom file issue? |
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| 21:30.03 | ioan | gavin: do I need to do anything special on the computer? I have sshd running there.. that command connects to the computer, but when I try to browse the browser says: "proxy server refused connection" |
| 21:30.21 | Myrtti | I talk about pink girly geeky stuff. |
| 21:30.23 | Myrtti | so nothing new |
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| 21:31.11 | SpeedEvil | Myrtti: I can't say I'd have it on my phone - but very good example of what it is. |
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| 21:32.12 | MohammadAG | hmm, the contacts app works well in portrait mode |
| 21:32.29 | Myrtti | I had to have something pink, and I had to have the books. They're both quite busy designs and in hindsight I might have chosen something more downtuned, but oh well. |
| 21:32.32 | Myrtti | I'm happy |
| 21:32.39 | Cabletwitch | I'll return tomorrow, need to work now. Linux + trains = bad. |
| 21:32.55 | SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1273267733160.jpg hot chicks! (worksafe) |
| 21:32.56 | Cabletwitch | Laters! |
| 21:33.07 | Myrtti | awww. |
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| 21:34.56 | rcg | i have some problem with the autobuilder .. at least i think it's autobuilder related |
| 21:35.08 | cero_absoluto | effin nickserv :) |
| 21:35.25 | rcg | i uploaded a package which had apparently the wrong section and a bad bugtracker link |
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| 21:35.57 | rcg | after i fixed it and uploaded again maemo.org/packages still shows the wrong section and the bad bugtracker link |
| 21:36.24 | rcg | another package which had the same problem showed the correct values after fixing and reupload |
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| 21:36.45 | rcg | any idea what i could try to fix this? |
| 21:37.25 | MohammadAG | check the control file in the source, if it's right, blame the importer |
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| 21:39.10 | rcg | MohammadAG: ok, just double checked .. the control file has the correct settings |
| 21:39.33 | MohammadAG | you can blame the importer then |
| 21:39.40 | MohammadAG | (and ping X-Fade) |
| 21:39.43 | cero_absoluto | Has anyone else complained of issues recently after uninstalling the "Enhanced Kernel" in the package manager? At the next reboot, it no longer boots up... I tried flasher-3.5 in linux to no avail... installed NSU on my coworkers machine today and I can't get that to work either... it briefly ever so briefly said windows saw Nokia ROM and then for an instant "Flashing Parent" or something, then an error that there was a problem, hardware my not |
| 21:40.12 | rcg | MohammadAG: so should i mail the debmaster? |
| 21:40.25 | MohammadAG | he's here |
| 21:40.33 | MohammadAG | probably idle for the weekend though |
| 21:40.35 | cero_absoluto | can't find info anywhere |
| 21:40.35 | rcg | X-Fade: ping |
| 21:41.05 | rcg | MohammadAG: ic .. thanks so far |
| 21:41.15 | MohammadAG | nw |
| 21:41.34 | MohammadAG | cero_absoluto, use flasher |
| 21:41.40 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 21:41.40 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:41.42 | cero_absoluto | i did, followed the guide to the letter |
| 21:41.49 | MohammadAG | i'd try to flash only the kernel |
| 21:41.52 | cero_absoluto | tried it |
| 21:42.02 | cero_absoluto | in linux with the cli flasher, nothing is ever detected |
| 21:42.21 | MohammadAG | which buntu version? |
| 21:42.21 | cero_absoluto | never gets past Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 21:42.23 | MohammadAG | ubuntu* |
| 21:42.27 | cero_absoluto | debian lenny |
| 21:42.31 | cero_absoluto | 64 |
| 21:42.36 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:42.48 | MohammadAG | ubuntu's been causing me problems in flashing |
| 21:42.58 | MohammadAG | cero_absoluto, type the command and let it wait |
| 21:43.10 | cero_absoluto | i can't even get it to work with NSU under windows |
| 21:43.13 | MohammadAG | then remove the battery, plug the usb cable and insert the battery |
| 21:43.43 | cero_absoluto | i've done i think pretty much all variations of hold "u" or not... whether the battery goes in first or the cable goes in first |
| 21:44.21 | cero_absoluto | it also may be relevant that /home/user/ was not read only... but that /home/user/MyDocs went completely read only |
| 21:44.33 | cero_absoluto | right before the issue |
| 21:44.37 | MohammadAG | shouldn't really matter |
| 21:44.44 | MohammadAG | for flashing |
| 21:44.45 | cero_absoluto | i thought it might be related to that kernel i just installed, which was why i uninstalled |
| 21:45.47 | MohammadAG | kernel worked for me when i was using it |
| 21:45.58 | MohammadAG | ~seen t-tan |
| 21:46.03 | infobot | t-tan is currently on #maemo (1h 30m 30s) #meego (1h 30m 30s), last said: 'jacekowski: I don't know where you're living but in most developed countries copyright infringement itself is criminal'. |
| 21:46.27 | ioan | how do I find out what port skype is using while connected? |
| 21:46.41 | MohammadAG | wireshark or a proxy |
| 21:47.13 | t-tan | kernel problems? |
| 21:47.55 | cero_absoluto | haha, yeah... uninstalled the enhanced kernel yesterday or the day before... went to reboot and no worky worky... never made it past the dark nokia screen |
| 21:48.25 | cero_absoluto | flashers don't seem to work, the linux flasher-3.5 under debian lenny amd64 or NSU under xp on a different machine |
| 21:48.39 | t-tan | how did you uninstall it? without reading the deinstallation instructions? |
| 21:49.10 | cero_absoluto | pretty much |
| 21:49.18 | cero_absoluto | i uninstalled it in the application manager |
| 21:49.20 | cero_absoluto | the same way i installed it |
| 21:49.54 | MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk, you should've installed kernel-flasher |
| 21:49.58 | MohammadAG | reinstalled* |
| 21:50.23 | MohammadAG | flashing the kernel should work... |
| 21:50.27 | cero_absoluto | should have, but there was no message of such upon install or uninstall, so i claim at least 50% not at fault |
| 21:50.34 | cero_absoluto | :) |
| 21:50.44 | Myrtti | oh god, I can't type anymore |
| 21:50.45 | t-tan | I wish users would RTFM. the next version will include a big fat warning. the real problem is a flaw in Nokia's preinit... |
| 21:51.35 | t-tan | but actually just deinstalling kernel-power-flasher should leave the kernel intact... |
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| 21:52.55 | cero_absoluto | of course its always a user issue... users should know to visit some obscure url to receive instructions that they cannot uninstall a package they installed with the app manager, using the app manager without bricking |
| 21:53.05 | cero_absoluto | :-P |
| 21:53.10 | cero_absoluto | i'm a developer too, but cmon |
| 21:53.40 | cero_absoluto | what i glean from this convo is that this issue has caused devices to brick, but it has not caused flashing issues |
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| 21:53.59 | t-tan | power users should know how to read the pkg description :) |
| 21:54.09 | MohammadAG | t-tan, add a postinst script and make it apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher |
| 21:54.11 | cero_absoluto | so i guess i'll go over every flashing scenario again until something works or until i give up |
| 21:54.14 | MohammadAG | postrm* |
| 21:54.29 | t-tan | MohammadAG: doesn't work. you can't call apt-get form within a postinst script |
| 21:54.48 | t-tan | or any other package script |
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| 21:55.19 | t-tan | the next version will include an icon to deinstall the kernel and to restore the original |
| 21:56.06 | t-tan | I can't reproduce the problems some users have with deinstalling the flasher package via HAM |
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| 22:06.21 | cero_absoluto | well, i guess at this point i'm pretty well fucked... not connected to the pc, pop battery in, push power button, no white light... |
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| 22:06.46 | cero_absoluto | run flasher with battery in... then connect usb cord... steady yellow light into the dark nokia screen, and then nothing |
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| 22:07.07 | cero_absoluto | run flasher with battery out, connect usb, connect battery... no response |
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| 22:07.31 | cero_absoluto | so i guess maybe my battery is dead now |
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| 22:08.31 | ptl | Use an external recharger |
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| 22:09.17 | cero_absoluto | oh, my bad... after the dark nokia screen goes away, it either comes back briefly once or twice... or it goes dark and back to the steady yellow light for maybe 30 seconds before the dark nokia screen again |
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| 22:10.50 | cero_absoluto | does not cooperate |
| 22:11.15 | cero_absoluto | foooey, fudge, fuck it... |
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| 22:27.03 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
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| 22:27.26 | Myrtti | perkele |
| 22:27.45 | mord | Myrtti: no mitäs |
| 22:32.41 | pupnik | hi Myrtti ! |
| 22:34.01 | pupnik | myrtti: this is cybette using pupnik's n900 |
| 22:35.08 | Myrtti | pupnik: :-P |
| 22:35.22 | Myrtti | now that explains couple of things ;) |
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| 22:36.59 | jacekowski | besides, i bought new headphones |
| 22:37.05 | jacekowski | nokia headphones |
| 22:37.27 | jacekowski | ( which costs half of iphone headphones, but are much better ) |
| 22:37.48 | jacekowski | and i was really suprised by service in o2 shop where i bought it |
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| 22:38.08 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: are they special? |
| 22:38.17 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: or, I mean, why did you buy *nokia* ones? |
| 22:38.31 | pupnik | myrtti: explain what? 0:-) |
| 22:38.42 | chem|st | frals: ping |
| 22:38.51 | jacekowski | well, any 4 pin headphones that are not nokia ( manufactured by nokia ) are ussualy iphone compatible |
| 22:38.53 | Myrtti | pupnik: traveling around Finland |
| 22:38.57 | jacekowski | which makes them nokia incompatible |
| 22:39.17 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: 4 pin? |
| 22:39.20 | pupnik | we had awesome sauna at ukki's |
| 22:39.31 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: I'm sorry I know nothing about "special head phones for phones" |
| 22:39.57 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: 4th pin for buttons and micrphone and that kind of stuff |
| 22:41.13 | Shapeshifter | jacekowski: ah I see. |
| 22:41.56 | Shapeshifter | so it's a headset, sorta. with a mic. I was confused by the term "headphones" which I considered being just the speakers |
| 22:42.13 | jacekowski | Shapeshifter: but iphone headphones have it done differently ( apple made their version later ) and it's detected as tvout cable apparently |
| 22:42.44 | Shapeshifter | mh |
| 22:43.25 | jacekowski | but you can use nokia 4 pin headset with any 3 pin socket |
| 22:43.39 | jacekowski | and any 3 pin headphones with any phone |
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| 22:44.03 | jacekowski | but mixing 4 pin headsets is not going to happen |
| 22:44.08 | MohammadAG | 4? pin? |
| 22:44.14 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:44.22 | jacekowski | it's like with 3 pins |
| 22:44.25 | jacekowski | but with 4 pins |
| 22:44.30 | MohammadAG | so there's a physical difference |
| 22:44.38 | jacekowski | not really |
| 22:44.42 | jacekowski | not in size |
| 22:45.28 | jacekowski | i think it's called trrs correctly |
| 22:45.44 | jacekowski | it's size and shape is almost same as normal 3.5mm jack |
| 22:45.48 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 22:45.53 | jacekowski | most of you have n900 |
| 22:46.00 | jacekowski | just take a look at headset that came with it |
| 22:46.23 | MohammadAG | i am, but I don't have any other headsets :P |
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| 22:46.57 | jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS_connector.JPG |
| 22:47.00 | jacekowski | that's 3 pin |
| 22:49.04 | Funnyface | has anyone seen an N900 charger with an angled USB plug for sale anywhere? |
| 22:49.26 | jacekowski | any usb charger would do |
| 22:49.42 | jacekowski | you can probably use iphone charger with any usb cable |
| 22:49.45 | jacekowski | just let me check |
| 22:49.50 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 22:49.52 | Funnyface | yeah but I want one with an angled USB port |
| 22:49.54 | Funnyface | that's the deal with ti |
| 22:49.55 | Funnyface | it* |
| 22:50.00 | Funnyface | USB jack* |
| 22:50.03 | MohammadAG | the N900 doesn't charge from dumb sources |
| 22:50.54 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 22:51.03 | jacekowski | it will charge from iphone charger |
| 22:51.17 | jacekowski | i'm not sure if it detects it as proper charger |
| 22:51.24 | jacekowski | or something else |
| 22:51.27 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it will |
| 22:51.37 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: but will pull limited amount of current |
| 22:51.49 | MohammadAG | not unless you solder D+ and D- |
| 22:51.59 | MohammadAG | think we're not talking about the same limitation |
| 22:52.11 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: there are 3 limits |
| 22:52.25 | Funnyface | so you mean, it will only pull 100mA? |
| 22:52.35 | jacekowski | one that's very small amount of current before phone knows where is it connecte |
| 22:52.36 | jacekowski | d |
| 22:52.58 | jacekowski | 2nd is when it detects that it's usb port and draws whatever usb host tells it to do |
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| 22:53.28 | jacekowski | and 3rd is when it detects charger and then it pulls whatever charger can give |
| 22:53.58 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38230 |
| 22:54.06 | jacekowski | so worst case scenario for dumb charger is couple mA |
| 22:54.16 | jacekowski | i'm not sure whatever exactly it is |
| 22:54.28 | Funnyface | http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-almcb-xxgbig.jpg looks like this is what I'd be looking for then :p |
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| 22:54.57 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, suppose you buy some wall charger from ebay which is a chinese knock off |
| 22:55.00 | Myrtti | ;____; hotel internets :-< |
| 22:55.03 | MohammadAG | it won't charge from it |
| 22:55.07 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it will |
| 22:55.10 | MohammadAG | same goes for the ZaggSparq |
| 22:55.13 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: but it will only draw that 100ma |
| 22:55.14 | jacekowski | mA |
| 22:55.32 | MohammadAG | but it won't say charging... |
| 22:55.48 | jacekowski | mhm |
| 22:55.52 | jacekowski | i'll have to try |
| 22:56.36 | jacekowski | but that's tomorrow |
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| 22:56.47 | MohammadAG | heh why? |
| 22:56.58 | jacekowski | because i have most of my equipment at work |
| 22:57.15 | jacekowski | because then i can use my own equipment and work equipent |
| 22:57.23 | jacekowski | equipment* |
| 22:57.49 | jacekowski | ( i own £2k scope but i don't have power supply ) |
| 22:57.58 | MohammadAG | i mean why do you want to try it... |
| 22:58.11 | jacekowski | just because i can |
| 22:58.16 | Funnyface | so you think the original N900 charger has a controller saying "hello I am a charger, pull whatever you want" in it? |
| 22:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | <jacekowski> i'm not sure whatever exactly it is)) 10mA |
| 22:58.28 | jacekowski | Funnyface: no |
| 22:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | 100mA even |
| 22:58.44 | MohammadAG | he said that m8 :) |
| 22:58.46 | jacekowski | Funnyface: just simple connection on D+ D- pins |
| 22:59.25 | Funnyface | D being data pins? |
| 22:59.30 | jacekowski | yes |
| 22:59.33 | Funnyface | ah |
| 22:59.59 | jacekowski | and i think the way how iphone charger is working makes phone think that it has short on d+ and d- pins |
| 23:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | 100mA always, after proper enum max 500mA, with crg_det (D+/-) whatever software thinks is safe. For N900 prolly max allowed by bq24150 = 1050mA |
| 23:00.03 | jacekowski | which it probably has |
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| 23:00.31 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: according to spec that currect is voltage controlled |
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| 23:00.48 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so charger is allowed to drop voltage if device is pulling too much current |
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| 23:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not exactly. usb cgarger spec says charger has to lower voltage in a gentle way until phone doesn't draw more than charger can jandle |
| 23:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes exactly |
| 23:02.12 | jacekowski | which is what would happen in case of overload anyways |
| 23:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | but nokia charger can do some 2A, and bq24150 is limited to 1050mA |
| 23:02.56 | Funnyface | I wonder if all the USB powered chinese junk follows those specs :p |
| 23:03.19 | MohammadAG | most probably not |
| 23:03.25 | Funnyface | USB vacuum, cup warmer/cooler, etc etc.. |
| 23:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | to some degree they woll, it's a very natural behaviour of a PSU |
| 23:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | will |
| 23:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, you're talking bout consumers, not supplies |
| 23:04.22 | Funnyface | yes |
| 23:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | none of them will adhere to the specsa |
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| 23:04.42 | Funnyface | I know, they just blindly connect to the power rails and draw whatever they want |
| 23:04.43 | MohammadAG | speaking of chargers, are chinese dsktop ones safe? |
| 23:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | all try to draw more than 100mA |
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| 23:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | without proper enum |
| 23:05.22 | lcukn900 | omnomnom at failsworth tandori |
| 23:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | otoh bq24150, in boost mode, also isn't really specs compliant. It can only deliver 200mA |
| 23:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | sp no mug-warmer for N900 |
| 23:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | so |
| 23:06.03 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 23:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 23:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | breakfast |
| 23:06.29 | Funnyface | anyway basically what I want is some car charger with an angled USB plug that will be compatible |
| 23:06.35 | lcukn900 | is getting kebab |
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| 23:06.51 | Funnyface | I don't like the long plug pointing out from the side, especially when there are reports that the USB jack may come loose after a while |
| 23:06.56 | N900evil | MohammadAG: I have a belkin hub psu that shat itself and put out 9v usb |
| 23:06.57 | lcukn900 | funnyface look on tmo there is a n900 car cradle |
| 23:07.06 | Funnyface | an angled one might help remove some of the force put on it |
| 23:07.10 | lcukn900 | with slide in connect |
| 23:07.19 | lcukn900 | for while device afaik |
| 23:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 23:07.51 | Funnyface | tmo being T-mobile? |
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| 23:07.58 | lcukn900 | talk.maem.org |
| 23:08.03 | lcukn900 | maemo |
| 23:08.14 | lcukn900 | hey rodarvus you want some kebab? |
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| 23:11.17 | Myrtti | curses again |
| 23:11.42 | Funnyface | Nokia should have swapped the location of the USB jack and the unlock switch.. it's really awkward to unlock the phone with one hand, and it's stupid to talk in the phone with the charger plugged in at the top :p |
| 23:12.09 | Funnyface | but I guess that's part of the plan |
| 23:12.19 | MohammadAG | agreed on the usb part |
| 23:12.28 | Funnyface | "let people who are in hurry to pick up a call rip the USB port out of the device" |
| 23:12.40 | Funnyface | "and let those trying to fiddle with it with one hand drop the device so we get repairs on them" |
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| 23:14.05 | MohammadAG | <N900evil> MohammadAG: I have a belkin hub psu that shat itself and put out 9v usb |
| 23:14.32 | MohammadAG | i'll take that as a no for chinese stuff |
| 23:15.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | cheap usb car chargers have killed/fried several gta02 |
| 23:16.33 | Funnyface | well they do such thing to keep the costs down I guess.. |
| 23:16.42 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: belkin hub was quite expensive, and a good name |
| 23:16.46 | Funnyface | easy to stick a plain simple 5V regulator in there and hope for the best |
| 23:17.00 | SpeedEvil | One USB power supply I dissected had _no_ primary capacitor |
| 23:17.05 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, tbh my experience with belkin wasn't good |
| 23:17.08 | SpeedEvil | this lead to somewhat poor hum. |
| 23:17.27 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the desktop charger only charges the battery though |
| 23:18.23 | Funnyface | I might rip my car USB charger up some day to see if they put any overvoltage protection in it or not |
| 23:18.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite funny |
| 23:19.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | (hum) |
| 23:19.40 | Funnyface | I see tons of HK sellers on ebay selling the same charger at ultralow prices (I bought it in a local shop), which made me think that perhaps it's a knockoff device like any others from HK :P |
| 23:20.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn ppl look at me like I'm an idiot, just because walking down the street typing on my N900 :-P |
| 23:21.01 | Funnyface | http://danielwould.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/20100131_008.jpg way to make something simple a lot more complex than it has to be.. lol |
| 23:21.49 | Funnyface | looking at those components it doesn't look like that thing can do anything useful anyway.. |
| 23:22.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
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| 23:23.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe ads some extremely useful pullup R |
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| 23:25.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, as expected: 3G handover works nicely |
| 23:27.57 | SpeedEvil | that looks like 270R from D+ to D- |
| 23:28.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | but whenever you need to roam to 2G... :-( |
| 23:28.07 | SpeedEvil | why do I remmeber that number |
| 23:28.15 | Funnyface | might be something to make it charge from a dummy source then |
| 23:28.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: no idea |
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| 23:31.31 | Funnyface | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Nokia-Micro-USB-Car-Charger-Nokia-N97-/250583293864 this one looks like what I need, unless the USB plug turns the wrong way |
| 23:32.21 | Funnyface | which it shouldn't do |
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| 23:39.09 | Funnyface | oh well I'll go and throw together a burger I guess.. |
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