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| 00:02.15 | frals | bah i should really go to bed now |
| 00:02.35 | frals | but out of 8 replies 4 are because they refuse to actually read the first fucking post in my new thread |
| 00:03.04 | SpeedEvil | niht all |
| 00:03.06 | SpeedEvil | night |
| 00:03.10 | frals | nn SpeedEvil |
| 00:03.31 | MohammadAG_ | night SpeedEvil |
| 00:03.49 | GAN900 | frals, sucker |
| 00:04.08 | MohammadAG_ | frals, request that your old thread gets closed :) |
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| 00:04.10 | GAN900 | frals, why would anybody read anything on Talk? :P |
| 00:04.37 | Noma | slightly offtopic, but does anyone know if it's possible to make a web form send its information forward as iso-8859-1, even though its input is utf-8 from the user? |
| 00:04.43 | MohammadAG_ | GAN900, cause there's still hope with users like frals on it :P |
| 00:05.08 | timeless_mbp | Noma: "yes" |
| 00:05.16 | timeless_mbp | note that your question is poorly phrased |
| 00:05.19 | timeless_mbp | input is unicode |
| 00:05.37 | timeless_mbp | utf-8 is merely the default encoding provided at submission time |
| 00:05.43 | timeless_mbp | dom is typically utf16 |
| 00:06.14 | Noma | how do i do it then? is it like some simple javascript thing or? |
| 00:06.30 | timeless_mbp | it's 3am |
| 00:06.35 | timeless_mbp | ask google, or offer a consulting fee |
| 00:07.04 | timeless_mbp | goes back to fighting apt |
| 00:07.15 | Noma | i thought somebody could've helped me for free if it was really simple thing to do :p |
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| 00:07.37 | MohammadAG_ | <timeless_mbp> ask google, or offer a consulting fee LOL |
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| 00:08.55 | frals | MohammadAG_: yeah i reported it when i posted the new one |
| 00:09.37 | luke-jr | Noma: that's under "ask google" |
| 00:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro |
| 00:09.48 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7h 41m 56s ago, saying: 'oh, that's bad news -- I loved the way you handled it.'. |
| 00:10.07 | Noma | i've been asking google for a moment now but haven't come up with a solution |
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| 00:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | jeeeez, tmo (the server) sucks |
| 00:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | 2 out of 3 HTTP requests get dropped or timeout |
| 00:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | suspects DoS |
| 00:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | DDoS by massive multiple biological entities |
| 00:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | s/entities/stupid entities/ |
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| 00:25.07 | timeless_mbp | can someone tell me what /proc/sys/kernel/version is in pr1.1.1 |
| 00:27.06 | tripzero | #1 PEREMPT Tue Apr 12 10:48:47 EEST 2010 |
| 00:27.28 | timeless_mbp | eh? |
| 00:27.29 | tripzero | oops, that's Apr 13* |
| 00:27.32 | timeless_mbp | in 1.1.1? |
| 00:27.44 | timeless_mbp | is it really 2010? |
| 00:27.48 | timeless_mbp | that seems highly suspicious |
| 00:27.55 | tripzero | idk, is 1.1.1 the latest? |
| 00:28.01 | MohammadAG_ | or he uses bootmenu? |
| 00:28.29 | timeless_mbp | ok, scratch using the kernel as a determinant |
| 00:28.35 | timeless_mbp | how do i recognize pr1.1.1? |
| 00:28.39 | MohammadAG_ | hmm |
| 00:28.45 | MohammadAG_ | use tablet-browser-ui :P |
| 00:28.49 | timeless_mbp | thanks |
| 00:28.56 | timeless_mbp | i think i'll go back to using libhildon1 |
| 00:29.04 | MohammadAG_ | timeless, |
| 00:29.06 | MohammadAG_ | :/ |
| 00:29.15 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, dpkg -l mp-fremantle-* |
| 00:29.22 | timeless_mbp | people delete that |
| 00:29.29 | MohammadAG_ | their problem |
| 00:29.30 | timeless_mbp | and it various regionally and operatorwise |
| 00:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /proc/sys/kernel/version |
| 00:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 |
| 00:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | N |
| 00:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | -N |
| 00:29.49 | tripzero | hmm |
| 00:29.52 | tripzero | your's is old |
| 00:29.55 | MohammadAG_ | hmm indeed |
| 00:30.01 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but tripzero has proven i can't use it |
| 00:30.03 | MohammadAG_ | tripzero, any chance your device is a UK one? |
| 00:30.09 | tripzero | nope. |
| 00:30.20 | tripzero | i do have the extras-devel repo added though |
| 00:30.21 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, it's 3.2010* for all devices |
| 00:30.24 | MohammadAG_ | and all variants |
| 00:30.32 | tripzero | and i'm not sure if this is a default kernel |
| 00:30.46 | tripzero | installed kernel-flasher-maemo and doesn't know if it really does anything |
| 00:30.53 | tripzero | and is too lazy to check |
| 00:30.55 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, what does the package change anyways? |
| 00:31.00 | timeless_mbp | which? |
| 00:31.06 | MohammadAG_ | the one you're making |
| 00:31.08 | timeless_mbp | mine replaces all localization strings for a locale |
| 00:31.18 | timeless_mbp | and it needs to know if you have pr1.1.1- or pr1.2_ |
| 00:31.20 | MohammadAG_ | why replaces? |
| 00:31.23 | timeless_mbp | because some idiots broke the abi |
| 00:31.29 | MohammadAG_ | abi? |
| 00:31.30 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: because the alternatives are disasters |
| 00:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | darn, yeah. Dec 17 2009? WTF? |
| 00:31.47 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, just add_remove_language |
| 00:31.49 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: printf(FOO, 5) |
| 00:31.56 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: i'm replacing enus or engb |
| 00:31.59 | timeless_mbp | not adding a language |
| 00:32.06 | MohammadAG_ | but.. why |
| 00:32.08 | timeless_mbp | the language exists, it just hapens to suck |
| 00:32.11 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 00:32.14 | timeless_mbp | because it happens to suck *a lot* |
| 00:32.49 | MohammadAG_ | hmm |
| 00:32.56 | timeless_mbp | anyway |
| 00:33.00 | timeless_mbp | can we not discuss this? |
| 00:33.07 | timeless_mbp | i've spent >3 years dealing w/ that part |
| 00:33.19 | MohammadAG_ | was gonna say echo $OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION |
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| 00:33.46 | MohammadAG_ | but I think that depends on mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 00:33.55 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 00:33.57 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:33.58 | MohammadAG_ | s/generic/* |
| 00:34.01 | MohammadAG_ | morning |
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| 00:35.07 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: can you verify that? |
| 00:35.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | FFS, now that would explain A LOT, if they replaced the rootfs/kernel by a new rootfs but fsckng old kernel |
| 00:35.40 | tripzero | btrfs ftw |
| 00:35.47 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# dpkg -r mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 00:35.47 | MohammadAG_ | (Reading database ... 47856 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 00:35.47 | MohammadAG_ | Removing mp-fremantle-generic-pr ... |
| 00:35.47 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# |
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| 00:36.08 | MohammadAG_ | rebooting |
| 00:36.13 | timeless_mbp | busy-waits |
| 00:36.43 | Termana | What is the theory being tested? :P |
| 00:37.14 | MohammadAG_ | <timeless_mbp> how do i recognize pr1.1.1? |
| 00:37.24 | timeless_mbp | that's the problem statement |
| 00:37.35 | MohammadAG_ | hmm |
| 00:37.40 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_'s theory is that mp-fremantle-*-* controls $OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION |
| 00:37.50 | MohammadAG_ | I think my theory sucks |
| 00:37.59 | timeless_mbp | define sucks? :) |
| 00:38.16 | MohammadAG_ | it showed the version after removing it |
| 00:38.20 | MohammadAG_ | sec, removed /tmp/* |
| 00:38.29 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# rm /tmp/.opi.tmp <--- that |
| 00:39.04 | timeless_mbp | find / -xdev|xargs -n 10 grep -l $OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION |
| 00:39.05 | timeless_mbp | ? :) |
| 00:39.10 | MohammadAG_ | huh? lol |
| 00:39.13 | MohammadAG_ | just echo it |
| 00:39.21 | MohammadAG_ | echo $OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION |
| 00:39.29 | timeless_mbp | i'm not trying to echo it |
| 00:39.36 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to find which files have it :) |
| 00:40.11 | MohammadAG_ | No route to host <-- hate it when it takes ages to initialize ssh and connect to a network |
| 00:40.26 | Gh0sty | some native english people here ? :) |
| 00:40.30 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 00:40.38 | timeless_mbp | well, native speakers |
| 00:40.51 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, it seems to be working, remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr on your device and clear /tmp to check |
| 00:40.58 | Gh0sty | is it: project follow-up for the building of a new room |
| 00:41.08 | Gh0sty | or: project follow-up for the build of a new room |
| 00:41.13 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# echo $OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION |
| 00:41.13 | MohammadAG_ | 3.2010.02-8 |
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| 00:42.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: uname -a ? |
| 00:42.20 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, doesn't show version |
| 00:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | I know what it doesn't show |
| 00:42.47 | timeless_mbp | uname -a is unreliable |
| 00:42.51 | MohammadAG_ | (mind you I did break mp-fremantle-generic-pr by installing 1.2 packages a long time ago) |
| 00:42.52 | timeless_mbp | as someone else already showed |
| 00:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# uname -a |
| 00:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | Linux Nokia-N900-02-8 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown |
| 00:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 00:43.18 | Gh0sty | timeless_mbp: an idea? :) |
| 00:43.31 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, just break mp-fremantle to check, you can reinstall it later |
| 00:43.32 | timeless_mbp | sorry, watching tv :) |
| 00:43.40 | MohammadAG_ | (yes it can be reinstalled_ |
| 00:43.46 | timeless_mbp | the latter makes no sense |
| 00:43.47 | MohammadAG_ | s/_/) |
| 00:44.04 | Gh0sty | ok |
| 00:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | can somebody explain to me why I get that incredibly old kernel build date? |
| 00:44.52 | timeless_mbp | Gh0sty: the first sentence isn't great |
| 00:45.09 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, when was your last reflash? |
| 00:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | supposedly 2 weeks ago |
| 00:45.26 | MohammadAG_ | (though it really shouldn't matter) |
| 00:45.29 | MohammadAG_ | hmm |
| 00:45.40 | MohammadAG_ | so timeless_mbp did you break it? |
| 00:45.46 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, maybe it's not old? |
| 00:45.52 | MohammadAG_ | I have a custom kernel so I can't check |
| 00:45.55 | timeless_mbp | Gh0sty: what are you trying to say? |
| 00:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 that actually sounds old to me |
| 00:46.39 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: consider when pr1.1 and pr1.1.1 were shipped |
| 00:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | so that kernel build date is ok for 3.2010.02-8 ? |
| 00:47.25 | timeless_mbp | it seems reasonable |
| 00:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | ok, nm. thanks |
| 00:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | just was baffled |
| 00:48.34 | MohammadAG_ | timeless_mbp, did you check or not lol |
| 00:49.20 | DHR | has any third-party built a Maemo image for a Nokia 770 or n800? Is that possible? Useful? |
| 00:49.26 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: nah |
| 00:49.29 | timeless_mbp | not worth it |
| 00:49.33 | MohammadAG_ | worth what? |
| 00:49.36 | timeless_mbp | i have to decide if that variable is useful |
| 00:49.40 | MohammadAG_ | it is |
| 00:50.12 | MohammadAG_ | when you uninstall mp-fremantle-*-pr you only uninstall the metapackage |
| 00:50.32 | MohammadAG_ | an apt-get install mp-fremantle-*-pr should bring it back in 4 seconds |
| 00:51.18 | timeless_mbp | not for me |
| 00:51.26 | timeless_mbp | i'm not running 1.1.1 |
| 00:51.31 | timeless_mbp | and only 1.1.1 is available |
| 00:51.40 | timeless_mbp | so you're suggesting i tell my device to commit suicide |
| 00:53.46 | timeless_mbp | if i was running 1.1.1, i could test this stuff myself ;-) |
| 00:54.28 | timeless_mbp | what's the shell script friendly form of apt? |
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| 00:55.27 | Gh0sty | timeless_mbp: updating my CV :) |
| 00:55.54 | MohammadAG_ | <timeless_mbp> i'm not running 1.1.1 |
| 00:55.59 | MohammadAG_ | dpkg-repack? |
| 00:55.59 | Gh0sty | timeless_mbp: trying to say that i was doing the project follow-up while they were building a new dataroom in our building ... |
| 00:56.27 | timeless_mbp | Gh0sty: are the two related? |
| 00:56.39 | Gh0sty | ? |
| 00:57.01 | Gh0sty | I am project-lead facilities |
| 00:57.05 | Gh0sty | let me put it that way :p |
| 00:59.17 | luke-jr | BLAME Stskeeps :D |
| 01:00.09 | satmd | blames luke-jr for not being superior ;P |
| 01:00.21 | luke-jr | but I *am* superior... |
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| 01:00.54 | luke-jr | even bought a dirt cheap Samsung phone from Cricket for $30... |
| 01:00.55 | luke-jr | :p |
| 01:05.21 | ljp | oh, goodness. but what about the children?! |
| 01:05.51 | luke-jr | ljp: what's that have to do with them? |
| 01:06.28 | satmd | if you didn't buy it, eventuelly it'll end up in trash |
| 01:06.44 | satmd | with children getting paid for collecting spare parts from it :o |
| 01:06.55 | satmd | exposing them to dangerous material |
| 01:07.02 | ljp | those poor children starving because you did not buy a nokia |
| 01:07.23 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 01:07.39 | luke-jr | if Nokia wants me to buy, they need to make a phone that meets my requirements :P |
| 01:08.01 | Termana | luke-jr, I thought you were planning to upgrade to the n900? :P |
| 01:08.12 | luke-jr | Termana: nope, never was |
| 01:08.15 | luke-jr | probably never will |
| 01:08.30 | luke-jr | honestly, it looks like N900 would be a downgrade |
| 01:08.38 | luke-jr | except for RAM |
| 01:08.51 | microlith | downgrade from what? |
| 01:08.53 | luke-jr | and even then N900 doesn't really have enough |
| 01:08.55 | luke-jr | N810 |
| 01:08.56 | Termana | but... but.............................................. PR1.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneoneone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111two |
| 01:09.03 | Termana | :P |
| 01:09.11 | microlith | luke-jr: aside from the outright better processor? |
| 01:09.16 | luke-jr | microlith: only slightly better |
| 01:09.20 | luke-jr | 600 MHz vs 400 isn't much |
| 01:09.37 | microlith | even though the architecture is different? |
| 01:09.42 | luke-jr | now if it was one of those dual core Snapdragons, maybe... |
| 01:09.45 | arachnist | luke-jr: yeah, n900 has only better cpu, more ram, better battery life and an included 3g modem |
| 01:09.52 | arachnist | (than the n800) |
| 01:09.56 | luke-jr | microlith: shrug. never waiting on CPU for N810 AFAIK |
| 01:10.04 | luke-jr | arachnist: useless 3G modem |
| 01:10.09 | microlith | heh |
| 01:10.13 | ShadowJK | the 600MHz in n900 is more like 1200 n810-MHz ;) |
| 01:10.16 | arachnist | luke-jr: why useless? |
| 01:10.21 | Termana | luke-jr, The difference between OMAP2 and OMAP3 is more than just clock speed |
| 01:10.26 | microlith | "useless" he says, as he wanders away from the access point and loses internet access |
| 01:10.28 | luke-jr | arachnist: 3G service in the USA is crazy expensive |
| 01:10.52 | luke-jr | in any case, the display size change is a big difference |
| 01:11.11 | ShadowJK | yes, that's the biggest downside to n900 |
| 01:11.15 | ShadowJK | it's too small |
| 01:11.23 | haltdef_ | yes! |
| 01:11.36 | luke-jr | N900 vs N810, I'd list size as #1 problem; then price maybe |
| 01:11.37 | haltdef_ | enough small phones, give me a htc universal sized beast |
| 01:11.52 | ShadowJK | If you can make do with the slower cpu and smaller ram, and don't want cellular, stick with n810 |
| 01:12.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: o/ |
| 01:12.06 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I'd love cellular... but CDMA |
| 01:12.33 | microlith | mm, vendor-lock |
| 01:12.37 | luke-jr | actually, my ideal would be a device with a software-defined radio capable of CDMA/GSM/3G/iDEN/etc |
| 01:12.39 | luke-jr | :) |
| 01:12.41 | Termana | luke-jr, no love for Android devices I suspect? :P |
| 01:12.48 | ljp | haltdef_: then get an iPad 3g. thats a huge iPhone |
| 01:12.48 | luke-jr | Termana: heck no :P |
| 01:12.54 | haltdef_ | no. |
| 01:13.06 | Termana | luke-jr, You could put Gentoo on them though! :P |
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| 01:13.14 | luke-jr | Termana: could I? maybe then |
| 01:13.17 | microlith | iPad 3g doesn't support voice calls (yet, I suspect someone will hack it eventually.) |
| 01:13.26 | arachnist | nothing like usa, where each carrier has his own standards... |
| 01:13.55 | luke-jr | anyhow, where I am, I can only see myself using CDMA right now |
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| 01:14.02 | ShadowJK | china also has one standard per carrier, to stifle competition |
| 01:14.10 | luke-jr | the rest of my family uses Sprint (CDMA), and Cricket (CDMA) is cheapest here |
| 01:14.12 | ShadowJK | communism at its best ;) |
| 01:14.50 | luke-jr | and there's about as many CDMA carriers as 3G carriers, so... 3G is just as much vendor lockin :p |
| 01:14.59 | microlith | well, no |
| 01:15.07 | arachnist | luke-jr: 3g is more wideworld spread |
| 01:15.15 | microlith | CDMA you can't buy a phone from the vnedor and use it |
| 01:15.24 | microlith | you have to buy it from the carrier |
| 01:15.27 | arachnist | (ie: it's available here in europe) |
| 01:16.38 | Termana | luke-jr, definitely you could put Gentoo on most Android phones. Nexus One already has Debian and Gentoo running on it, then there will be my MeeGo port. Nexus One is unsuitable for you though, because of a) GSM and b) no keyboard - but you could do the same I'm sure with the Droid |
| 01:17.24 | luke-jr | arachnist: well, that hardly matters when I'm locked to one State |
| 01:17.55 | luke-jr | microlith: do you? pretty sure if it's unlocked you can just call carrier to activate it |
| 01:18.20 | luke-jr | Termana: Droid also has problems for me :) |
| 01:18.33 | luke-jr | Termana: does Android's kernel actually work with standard *nix userland, though? |
| 01:18.36 | microlith | luke-jr: a) good luck finding unlocked CDMA phones and b) good luck getting Sprint/Verizon to OK it. |
| 01:18.41 | Termana | luke-jr, yes |
| 01:18.53 | luke-jr | microlith: you forget /Cricket :p |
| 01:19.03 | microlith | whoever |
| 01:19.14 | microlith | assuming they even run their own network |
| 01:19.26 | luke-jr | microlith: Cricket has shops around town that will reflash another carrier's phone. ;P |
| 01:19.35 | microlith | questions that |
| 01:20.33 | luke-jr | fine, I'll get their site... |
| 01:22.07 | luke-jr | http://thespotomaha.com/flashing.html |
| 01:22.24 | arachnist | Termana: is it possible to get glibc (not replacing their bastardized libc that doesn't even support .so's) + normal ELF executables on android? |
| 01:22.25 | luke-jr | "Come to The Spot today to have your old Sprint, Alltel, or even Verizon phone flashed over to the Cricket Network." |
| 01:22.34 | microlith | that's not /Cricket/ |
| 01:22.51 | luke-jr | arachnist: IIRC you can chroot to a normal Debian filesystem from Android at least |
| 01:22.59 | luke-jr | microlith: it's a Cricket Authorized Dealer |
| 01:23.08 | microlith | sure, that means they can sell service |
| 01:23.21 | microlith | and activate phones on the network |
| 01:23.22 | luke-jr | it also means Cricket accepts the phones they flash :P |
| 01:23.45 | Termana | arachnist, not directly in Android no. But things like busybox have been compiled for Android, so yes I assume normal executables can be made. |
| 01:23.53 | microlith | but still you're left with the fact that you have to pay or beg the carrier to let your device on |
| 01:24.05 | luke-jr | microlith: uh, no |
| 01:24.09 | microlith | and hope you have the option to pay at all |
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| 01:24.11 | luke-jr | you just activate it on Cricket's network |
| 01:24.22 | Termana | arachnist, and then as luke-jr says you can chroot into Debian, or if you don't want to use Android at all, just boot up into Debian and forget about Android |
| 01:24.26 | luke-jr | the flashing is obviously undoing a carrier lock |
| 01:25.38 | microlith | it's still not as clean as buying an unlocked GSM phone and putting your SIM in it |
| 01:26.21 | luke-jr | yeah, the hotpluggability of SIM cards is nice, but a different issue entirely |
| 01:26.25 | asjWrk | luke-jr: not really, you can't easily register that phone with another carrier |
| 01:26.36 | luke-jr | and SIM cards are not necessarily 3G or even GSM |
| 01:26.44 | luke-jr | iDEN uses SIM cards too |
| 01:26.51 | luke-jr | and China has a SIM-card-like thing for CDMA |
| 01:26.56 | microlith | iDEN is also a minority technology |
| 01:27.07 | microlith | and china is, well, china |
| 01:27.12 | luke-jr | microlith: it is still cheaper than GSM :) |
| 01:27.38 | luke-jr | if I wanted data on my new plan, I'd have gone with Boost Mobile (iDEN) |
| 01:28.04 | Termana | It should be mentioned technically 3G is CDMA |
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| 01:28.25 | luke-jr | ! |
| 01:28.39 | luke-jr | you mean the term "3G" or the actual 3G tech? |
| 01:28.48 | Termana | luke-jr, the tech behind 3G |
| 01:29.01 | Termana | look up UMTS and WCDMA |
| 01:29.19 | asjWrk | Termana: umts and wcmda aren't the only 3g techs |
| 01:29.59 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i was looking for dpkg-query :) |
| 01:30.28 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: yeah, that's what I told you.. |
| 01:30.45 | Termana | asjWrk, right, but I think its the most used one. I might be wrong on that though |
| 01:31.13 | asjWrk | Termana: verizon and what ever it's called in the US would disagree ;) |
| 01:31.13 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: oops, sorry, i must have missed that |
| 01:32.32 | Termana | asjWrk, right they are EV-DO (?), but AT&T and T-Mobile would be UMTS/WCDMA (?) |
| 01:32.45 | MohammadAG_ | smacks forehead so heard it redefines a facepalm http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51899 |
| 01:32.48 | MohammadAG_ | hard* |
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| 01:33.23 | asjWrk | Termana: sadly TMO isnt umts, it's something special, which the n900 supports, AWS or what ever it's called |
| 01:34.04 | njsf_ | Termana: AT&T is UMTS/HSDPA on 850/1900 T-Mobile on rest of the world normality freqs |
| 01:34.26 | asjWrk | njsf_: no :) |
| 01:34.36 | Termana | Right, different frequencies, but its still UMTS isn't it |
| 01:34.47 | Termana | plus, Telstra in Australia are 850 :P |
| 01:35.11 | asjWrk | Termana: there's a lot of 850 popping up, 3 or 4 countries now we last counted here |
| 01:35.38 | Termana | "3G (UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+) service by T-Mobile exclusively uses the AWS 1700/2100 MHz frequency-band" - from wikipedia |
| 01:35.50 | Termana | Which confirms my statement, T-Mobile is still UMTS |
| 01:36.17 | asjWrk | Termana: ah ok. anyone else in the world doing 1700/2100? (it's not the same 2100 as the rest of the world) |
| 01:36.37 | timeless_mbp | can someone do this for me: |
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| 01:36.49 | njsf_ | well except for crappy reception caused by my workplace (there is some RF shielding as it is an old IBM building) I am happy with T-Mobile service in the Westchester, NY area |
| 01:36.53 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-query -f '${Version}\n' -W libhildon1 |
| 01:36.58 | Termana | I don't know about 1700, but we have a heap of carriers in Australia doing 900/2100 |
| 01:37.15 | njsf_ | I quite frequently get HSDPA+ "3.5G" connectivity |
| 01:38.32 | Termana | HSDPA is technically still WCDMA/UMTS underneath as well AFAIK, its just an added layer |
| 01:40.40 | asjWrk | Termana: should use the HSPA these days to include HSUPA |
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| 01:46.47 | njsf_ | *shighs* as he just wished everywhere carriers/governments would just agree on a cell standard |
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| 01:48.17 | timeless_mbp | njsf: about 9' by 12' |
| 01:48.46 | microlith | timeless_mbp: 2.2.3-1+0m5 |
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| 01:51.02 | njsf_ | timeless_mbp: ?! |
| 01:51.35 | njsf_ | timeless_mbp: ohhhh got the joke |
| 01:51.49 | njsf_ | I really would not know about cell dimensions really |
| 01:52.03 | njsf_ | 9'x12' is not bad by NYC standards either :D |
| 01:53.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: HSPA is to UMTS what EDGE is to GPRS |
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| 01:58.17 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51, right, so just an extension of the standard, correct? |
| 01:58.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically yes |
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| 02:08.05 | MohammadAG | Gnite #maemo |
| 02:09.59 | njsf_ | wants to hide and not have to understand acronyms :D |
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| 02:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | njsf_: there's ~wtf |
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| 02:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | comes really handy sometimes |
| 02:18.11 | njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: ohh now you are talking about home :D |
| 02:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you'll find wtf on your shell as well :-P |
| 02:19.39 | njsf_ | well bash is my friend, busybox not so much |
| 02:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | see 'man wtf' |
| 02:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not on friggin messybox |
| 02:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | on a *real* linux ;-P |
| 02:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf wtf |
| 02:20.52 | njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: there is no real linux, kernel has no man page |
| 02:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf tla |
| 02:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf etla |
| 02:22.53 | satmd | IATTTGO |
| 02:23.02 | satmd | i am too tired to go on |
| 02:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 02:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf IATTTGO |
| 02:23.37 | njsf_ | has had too much red wine tonight to carry an intelligent conversation :) |
| 02:24.18 | satmd | I just made that one up |
| 02:24.32 | satmd | ~wtf satmd |
| 02:24.38 | satmd | haha. |
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| 02:27.03 | njsf_ | I like Satellite Doctors! |
| 02:27.43 | satmd | I see what you did there, hacking the satellite :p |
| 02:27.53 | Trizt | thinks it's time to go and sleep, just two hours until time to get up |
| 02:28.04 | satmd | same for me |
| 02:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf eeprom |
| 02:28.17 | satmd | oO |
| 02:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf -t comp eeprom |
| 02:28.36 | njsf_ | hehe I am just drunk eventually I will fall asleep :D |
| 02:28.45 | Trizt | lucky you |
| 02:29.18 | njsf_ | Trizt: tell it to my liver in 10 yrs time :D |
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| 02:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/i2c-tools-3.0.2> wtf -t comp eeprom |
| 02:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | EEPROM: electrically erasable programmable read only memory |
| 02:29.43 | Trizt | njsf_; in ten years time they will make you a new one |
| 02:30.11 | satmd | a wild satmd disappears |
| 02:30.11 | Trizt | off to bed with me |
| 02:30.15 | satmd | night folks |
| 02:30.33 | njsf_ | Trizt: from your mouth to (God's hear|HMO approval office) |
| 02:30.47 | njsf_ | night n8 all |
| 02:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | is tempted to stay awake, as 1h after falling asleep the tooth starts to kill. And today no more painkillers |
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| 02:42.13 | njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: call the police to arrest the tooth and have a nice restful night ! :D |
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| 02:45.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm sure it would take me less than 20sec to make them joyfully help me by extracting a number of teeth. I'm just not convinced they'll get the right one |
| 02:46.14 | njsf_ | DocScrutinizer51: Well the health plan insurance company will extract the right amount of copay and premium :D |
| 02:46.41 | njsf_ | is in a cynical mood and apologizes to anyone offended |
| 02:47.23 | wall[e] | i am offended |
| 02:47.58 | wall[e] | doesn't like missing parameter. |
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| 02:49.59 | njsf_ | wall[e]: 42 is your missing parameter |
| 02:50.34 | wall[e] | and life and universe and girlfriend. |
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| 02:53.48 | njsf_ | or wife :O) |
| 02:54.16 | wall[e] | :) |
| 02:54.38 | njsf_ | but hey... I was not drunk sleeping covered by a news paper in a public park |
| 02:54.59 | njsf_ | wonders how many H2G2 fans will get that :D |
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| 02:55.31 | wall[e] | not me! |
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| 03:01.55 | njsf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.16 | wall[e] | Thanks! :) |
| 03:02.16 | njsf_ | basically D.A. states that was when the idea of H2G2 came to hime |
| 03:02.18 | njsf_ | him |
| 03:02.35 | wall[e] | ah |
| 03:02.37 | njsf_ | when the Europe on $5 a day was too expensive for him |
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| 03:03.36 | njsf_ | and he found himself drunk on a public park (can't remember where) and the local hobo stole the newspapers covering him for the night without any cerimony |
| 03:04.39 | wall[e] | interesting, will look for time |
| 03:04.45 | wall[e] | didn't get a life since i got n900 |
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| 03:04.56 | asjWrk | wall[e]: you had one before? ;) |
| 03:05.08 | wall[e] | lol sure |
| 03:05.13 | njsf_ | lusts for a don't panic animation on boot |
| 03:05.29 | wall[e] | was an artist, now hacking stuffs |
| 03:06.04 | wall[e] | and now creativetone will make me get back to my carrier |
| 03:06.12 | wall[e] | install mypaint woohoo |
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| 03:12.59 | njsf_ | wall[e]: I am shure Thailand has plenty of life to offer ;) |
| 03:13.29 | wall[e] | :D |
| 03:13.41 | wall[e] | give us a visit! |
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| 03:14.45 | njsf_ | wall[e]: maybe sometime. I'd love to, but I can't see the wheels of fortune aligning that way |
| 03:15.07 | wall[e] | hehe |
| 03:15.50 | wall[e] | waiting for pr1.2 is like wondering if my gf will let me get laid tonight or not |
| 03:16.28 | Termana | Not likely to happen? |
| 03:16.43 | wall[e] | better go working on graphics magick |
| 03:16.45 | asjWrk | wall[e]: who does she normally let you get laid with? |
| 03:16.59 | wall[e] | i want to write a uis for assembling tool chain |
| 03:17.03 | wall[e] | over gm |
| 03:17.07 | wall[e] | and may be anything else |
| 03:17.24 | njsf_ | wall[e]: better not make that kind of correlation. |
| 03:17.30 | wall[e] | asjWrk, herself! |
| 03:17.47 | wall[e] | indeed! |
| 03:18.38 | wall[e] | i wish gnustep is ported :S |
| 03:18.46 | wall[e] | so i don't need to port it myself |
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| 03:20.06 | njsf_ | is so pissed at Apple antics that is getting antagonistic at anything Objective-C or *Step ;) |
| 03:20.23 | wall[e] | haha |
| 03:21.30 | wall[e] | better bring it out of their control then! |
| 03:23.04 | njsf_ | why bother about it ? just make a decent alternative, hence much of the "though love" towards maemo/meego |
| 03:23.14 | wall[e] | consider working on opengl es for gnustep |
| 03:23.22 | wall[e] | backend |
| 03:23.43 | njsf_ | wall[e]: basics first |
| 03:23.47 | wall[e] | well, i can't live without dynamic desig pattern |
| 03:23.56 | njsf_ | flawless audio, and good comms |
| 03:23.57 | wall[e] | yeh |
| 03:24.06 | njsf_ | _then_ eye candy |
| 03:24.19 | wall[e] | fast application dev ftw |
| 03:24.52 | wall[e] | checks if anyone port squeak |
| 03:25.08 | wall[e] | yes cool |
| 03:25.34 | wall[e] | njsf, I don't have much experience in those fields |
| 03:25.37 | njsf_ | wall[e]: as much I love smalltalk, ARM embedded devices are not ready yet to handle it |
| 03:25.49 | wall[e] | too bad :/ |
| 03:26.03 | wall[e] | well, the same reason when i picked objc |
| 03:26.38 | njsf_ | wall[e]: indeed obj-c dispatch resembles a lot smalltalk |
| 03:26.47 | wall[e] | yeh |
| 03:27.14 | wall[e] | also perfect fit to use existing c based frameowrk |
| 03:27.19 | njsf_ | it is a nice system, but as I stated I am antagonistic on political reasons not technical |
| 03:27.28 | wall[e] | hehe |
| 03:27.35 | wall[e] | nah, apple didn't invent objective-c |
| 03:27.39 | wall[e] | neither step |
| 03:27.40 | njsf_ | it is almost like the mono debate for me with gnustep |
| 03:27.44 | wall[e] | but the evil one invented it |
| 03:27.53 | wall[e] | at nextstep |
| 03:28.03 | njsf_ | wall[e]: NextStep engineers did, and Jobs took it to apple |
| 03:28.05 | wall[e] | (objc isn't, just step) |
| 03:28.14 | wall[e] | yeh |
| 03:28.33 | njsf_ | well the _base class_ is NS_Object for a reason :P |
| 03:28.35 | wall[e] | there used to be time I didn't use foundataion framework just objc |
| 03:28.51 | wall[e] | I thought it stands for NameSpace |
| 03:28.55 | wall[e] | is innocent |
| 03:29.11 | njsf_ | nope, it stands for NextStep |
| 03:29.17 | wall[e] | yeh, just kidding |
| 03:29.26 | wall[e] | it was NX though |
| 03:29.36 | wall[e] | then NS |
| 03:30.27 | njsf_ | no, but I could check with a college friend that had early access |
| 03:30.37 | njsf_ | I am 99.9999% sure :D |
| 03:30.55 | wall[e] | NS = Nextstep yes |
| 03:31.15 | wall[e] | just once, before foundation and appkit, there were NSClasses |
| 03:31.20 | wall[e] | er NXClasses |
| 03:31.45 | wall[e] | look for NXConstantString |
| 03:32.35 | njsf_ | hmmm where should I look :D ? |
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| 03:33.00 | wall[e] | I've heard that NS = NeXT + Sun though, but I don't think that's right. |
| 03:33.11 | wall[e] | njsf, google! :) |
| 03:33.35 | wall[e] | before NeXT and Sun made openstep, it was NX |
| 03:33.52 | wall[e] | so somebody tends to think that NS = NX + Sun |
| 03:34.12 | wall[e] | but i think they want to mean it for NameSpace |
| 03:34.41 | arachnist | maybe they ment "NovellSucks"? ;) |
| 03:34.47 | wall[e] | lmao |
| 03:34.52 | njsf_ | wall[e]: Somehow I don't think NS = NeXT + Sun |
| 03:35.01 | wall[e] | neither do i |
| 03:35.07 | njsf_ | Sun was heavy into PostScript display |
| 03:35.07 | wall[e] | but they renamed it from NX at some point |
| 03:35.15 | wall[e] | news? |
| 03:35.20 | njsf_ | kinda like Apple is into PDF based display |
| 03:35.21 | wall[e] | ah that was gosling |
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| 03:35.30 | wall[e] | yeh DPS |
| 03:35.40 | wall[e] | was hacking that for a while |
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| 03:36.00 | wall[e] | then goes cairo |
| 03:36.10 | njsf_ | woahhh there |
| 03:36.13 | arachnist | cairo is slow :/ |
| 03:36.16 | njsf_ | that is like a decade jump |
| 03:36.27 | wall[e] | can wait |
| 03:36.43 | wall[e] | may be some e folks can help but they don't tesselate beziers |
| 03:37.00 | wall[e] | or that was old fact? |
| 03:37.07 | wall[e] | didn't follow e dev for quite some times |
| 03:37.13 | njsf_ | is starting to feel the effect of 1.5L of red wine :D |
| 03:37.16 | wall[e] | at least raster's here. |
| 03:37.35 | wall[e] | sorry if i gave you a bell |
| 03:37.42 | wall[e] | haha |
| 03:38.03 | wall[e] | too bad i didn't drink |
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| 03:38.27 | wall[e] | nothing left for me beside strip teasing girls in the heaven. |
| 03:38.47 | njsf_ | wall[e]: let me know when you can send some :D |
| 03:38.57 | genewitch1 | do you guys still help with my ancient n800 tablet? the rss feed reader decided it didn't want to read 8 out of 11 feeds, restarting, clearing image cache didn't do anything. it says "unable to refresh selected/some feeds, try again later" |
| 03:38.58 | wall[e] | XD |
| 03:39.25 | njsf_ | genewitch1: I know some on the Maemo community use the 8x0 series |
| 03:39.41 | njsf_ | I personally only have n900, sorry |
| 03:40.08 | genewitch1 | yeah, I was being tongue in cheek :-) all I use the n800 for is rss feeds and grand central dialing, and the occasional website. but it still uses a full battery charge each day. |
| 03:40.30 | genewitch1 | losing half the functionality is kind of a pain :-p |
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| 03:40.47 | ShadowJK | still on original battery? |
| 03:41.10 | genewitch1 | I have an original and one I bought |
| 03:41.19 | genewitch1 | if the radio is off I can use it for hours and hours |
| 03:41.36 | genewitch1 | but it goes about 12 with with radio on and light use |
| 03:42.22 | genewitch1 | I'm also booting from the internal SD slot rather than flash, if that matters at all |
| 03:42.25 | ShadowJK | mine goes about 2 days with wifi on and an hour web browsing a day |
| 03:42.40 | njsf_ | genewitch1: what wifi class are we talking ? b or g? |
| 03:42.51 | genewitch1 | njsf_: g |
| 03:43.43 | njsf_ | same access point(s) all the time ? |
| 03:43.46 | genewitch1 | If I tell it to turn off the radio after X minutes I don't have to charge it often at all, but I like being able to touch the screen and have google voice place a call for me, or text without having to wait for the wifi to come up. |
| 03:43.50 | genewitch1 | njsf_: yes |
| 03:43.57 | genewitch1 | well, 99% of the time |
| 03:44.16 | genewitch1 | sometimes I take it out to SMS from a restaurant. |
| 03:45.52 | njsf_ | genewitch1: not knowledgeable enough, hopefully someone else can chime in |
| 03:47.34 | genewitch1 | the radio is on 10mW maximum power saving. I doubt any of this has to do with the feed reader. I guess I'll start searching the website for how to fix it. one thing I can do is restart on flash and see if the stock system is failing on RSS feeds as well. |
| 03:50.27 | genewitch1 | nope, the one on flash is not working either |
| 03:50.43 | genewitch1 | Evidently my router is being stupid. Oh well, thanks anyhow! |
| 03:50.57 | ShadowJK | 10mW vs 100mW isn't a powersaving seting |
| 03:51.05 | ShadowJK | the radiated power is marginal compared to total wifi usage |
| 03:51.10 | genewitch1 | ShadowJK: there's two dropdown menus |
| 03:51.19 | genewitch1 | one says maximum power saving the other says 10mW |
| 03:52.16 | genewitch1 | I get really good reception anywhere in my apartment so I think that's why I set it to 10mW |
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| 03:57.18 | wall[e] | need memory |
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| 04:19.55 | Termana | raster, ping |
| 04:21.05 | raster | has been summoned |
| 04:21.30 | raster | appears in a puff of magic purple smoke |
| 04:21.38 | Termana | :P |
| 04:22.00 | Termana | raster, I know you've done some work regarding OpenGL ES libs, so I was wondering if I could ask you a question about them |
| 04:22.16 | raster | k |
| 04:24.47 | Termana | raster, I'm looking to do a port of MeeGo to the Nexus One, and I assume that the Handset UX will be Open GL ES 2 based. Are GLES libs (libGLESv2_adreno200.so and libEGL_adreno200.so in this case) normally generic, or are they X11 or Android specific? |
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| 04:25.40 | raster | :-P android |
| 04:25.52 | raster | i would say they will be useless to you |
| 04:25.55 | raster | android specific |
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| 04:26.23 | raster | for meego u will need x11 |
| 04:26.23 | Termana | hmm thats a pain in the arse :P |
| 04:26.31 | raster | and that means dir/drm |
| 04:26.39 | raster | and x11 support |
| 04:26.42 | raster | yes it is |
| 04:26.46 | raster | android is a pain in the arse |
| 04:27.36 | Termana | raster, Since the n900 and the Droid/Milestone use the same PowerVR, can the Droid PowerVR libs and driver be used on the n900? (This question is for NITdroid :P) |
| 04:27.42 | raster | anroid is nothing like linux - it's a google world (well more specifically its an os started by a bunch of guys who left danger who did the sidekick and they got bought by google - they dont come form the linux world. they simply re-used a linux kernel because it saved them writing their own) |
| 04:28.16 | raster | my guess is that you'd be able to use the same kernel drivers for 90% of things |
| 04:28.26 | raster | of course baseband, wifi, etc. will vary - ie peripherals |
| 04:28.32 | raster | but 3d is on-chip |
| 04:28.51 | Termana | so 3D driver and libs would probably be interoperable between the n900 and Droid? |
| 04:30.17 | Termana | raster, ^^ |
| 04:30.21 | raster | with the same xserver, same kernel - yes |
| 04:30.28 | raster | same pretty much everything |
| 04:30.45 | raster | 3d driver is dependant on kernel module parts |
| 04:30.49 | raster | rememebr that |
| 04:30.53 | raster | and for it to work with x11 - same |
| 04:31.00 | raster | dependant on server bits |
| 04:31.02 | raster | and vice-versa |
| 04:31.31 | Termana | raster, right, but this time we are going the other way, Droid driver/lib onto the n900 for the NITdroid guys, so everything would be the same Android-wise |
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| 04:33.20 | Termana | raster, so theoretically as long as the NITdroid people use the same kernel module for the PowerVR they could use the Droid's libs to have working 3D? |
| 04:33.21 | raster | ooh sorry |
| 04:33.25 | raster | other way |
| 04:33.29 | raster | ummm - i guess so. |
| 04:33.43 | raster | i have no interest in helping android out :) |
| 04:34.14 | Termana | raster, heh :P no problem, I just thought I'd ask for DJ_Steve's sake since he is doing the n900 Android port. |
| 04:34.24 | Termana | raster, thanks as well :) |
| 04:35.29 | raster | they can look after themselves |
| 04:35.42 | raster | they have more devices out here now with android than linux |
| 04:35.51 | raster | i dont see the point of porting to the n900 |
| 04:35.56 | raster | they have a droid |
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| 05:15.32 | luke-jr | Termana: Droid 3D libs are most likely non-redistributable |
| 05:15.41 | luke-jr | so unless someone owns both N900 and Droid... :p |
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| 05:23.35 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 05:26.03 | lcuk | mornin RST38h |
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| 05:28.13 | Termana | luke-jr, Yes, but you also can't use Google's apps without Google's approval. Do you think thats going to stop him? :P |
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| 05:31.53 | luke-jr | Termana: it should |
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| 05:33.10 | Termana | luke-jr, I'm not debating the merits of weather he should or should not do anything. I'm merely stating I don't think he is going to not allow the Google apps not to work. Lets face it, Android is bad as it is, take away Google's apps and what do you really have left? |
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| 05:34.17 | Termana | err, I think I make that sentence a bit confusing with the nots and don'ts etc. but you get the point of it :P |
| 05:35.31 | Termana | made* |
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| 05:37.13 | swc|666 | wtf is with my new n900 .. cant skype call and potr is broken in pidgin 0o |
| 05:37.20 | swc|666 | s/potr/otr/ |
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| 05:40.27 | viliny_ | swc|666: leaked firmware? |
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| 05:42.55 | luke-jr | swc|666: Skype sucks; so does Pidgin |
| 05:43.43 | pupnik_ | n900 browser is so damn useful... |
| 05:44.21 | lcuk | pupnik_, indeed it is |
| 05:44.41 | lcuk | its answered many bedtime discussions without having to leave the bed |
| 05:44.52 | lcuk | "the internet will know" |
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| 05:48.03 | swc|666 | viliny_ not leaked.. official |
| 05:48.46 | swc|666 | luke-jr, pidgin isnt too bad for me .. when otr worked |
| 05:49.03 | swc|666 | no other viable client for my jabber server other than mcabber in a debian chroot |
| 05:49.28 | luke-jr | Maemo5 doesn't have builtin XMPP? |
| 05:50.19 | petteri | yes it has |
| 05:51.08 | swc|666 | yeah but no OTR plugin afaik |
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| 05:57.35 | swc|666 | k i'm a fsckin tard on the skype issue .. .enable calling phones != checked :/ |
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| 06:19.47 | ColdFyre | um |
| 06:20.29 | ColdFyre | so i moved /usr/share to /home/usr/share, and symlinked /usr/share to it, and noy my n900 is stuck in a reboot loop |
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| 06:22.01 | BusterB | whats the fastest method to reboot the n900? power button? |
| 06:22.09 | ColdFyre | battery |
| 06:22.15 | BusterB | or can i type reboot in xterm? |
| 06:22.27 | ColdFyre | mine is currently stuck in a reboot loop atm |
| 06:22.28 | ColdFyre | lol |
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| 06:29.53 | Khertan | Hello All ! |
| 06:31.37 | mece | hmm getting some depressing news on twitter :/ |
| 06:32.38 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 06:34.00 | mece | @qole: Flash 10 NOT coming for the Nokia N900! We have to "wait for the next device". (From an inside source) #N900 #maemo #meego #flash |
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| 06:34.50 | ColdFyre | is there some possible way i cna fix with reboot loop w/o reflashing? |
| 06:35.01 | BusterB | mece: can u link to twitter? |
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| 06:35.30 | mece | BusterB, uuh? http://www.twitter.com :) |
| 06:35.54 | mece | BusterB, or did you mean http://twitter.com/qole |
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| 06:37.06 | BusterB | nm found it |
| 06:37.13 | BusterB | yeah thats it |
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| 06:39.16 | pupnik | less devices supporting flash makes pupnik a happy cow |
| 06:39.37 | Khertan | hum ... firefox is still leaking on ubuntu 10.04 |
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| 06:47.38 | RST38h | Was there time when FireFox DID NOT leak? |
| 06:48.04 | Treibholz | RST38h: in the early eighties. |
| 06:48.18 | RST38h | it's a freaking dynamic allocation nightmare |
| 06:48.25 | ccooke | morning, all |
| 06:48.27 | zash | Treibholz: you mean that netscape did't leak? |
| 06:48.40 | RST38h | well, they had no DOM model then... |
| 06:48.48 | Treibholz | zash: in the early eighties? |
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| 06:49.20 | Khertan | RST38h, yes there was a time on the rc1.0 |
| 06:49.31 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 06:49.46 | Khertan | i think it s due to a plugin to be honest |
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| 06:50.00 | Khertan | as if you remove all firefox plugin and extension |
| 06:50.15 | Khertan | in 24 hours i didn't see any leak |
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| 06:53.05 | Treibholz | has reduced his plugins to the 3 most important |
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| 06:53.33 | timeless_mbp | is this maemo or windows or linux-desktop? |
| 06:53.51 | Treibholz | adblock, vimperator and FireGestures (and firebug on some) |
| 06:54.02 | Treibholz | has no windows |
| 06:54.10 | timeless_mbp | netscape 0.93 beta is © 1994 Netscape Communications Corporation |
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| 06:58.37 | furunk3l | y helo thar! |
| 06:59.51 | RST38h | Khertan: So what plugin was it? |
| 07:00.10 | RST38h | personally sees leaks when browsing Google Analytics site |
| 07:00.24 | Khertan | RST38h, i desactive them one by one |
| 07:00.29 | Khertan | RST38h, i desactivate them one by one |
| 07:00.34 | Treibholz | RST38h: adblock or fix your local DNS :-) |
| 07:00.46 | RST38h | Treib: ? |
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| 07:01.12 | Khertan | Treibholz, maybe he want to see his google analytics stats :) |
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| 07:09.11 | alterego | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/04/meego_linux_mobile_android_microsoft/ |
| 07:11.00 | pupnik | nice find alterego |
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| 07:12.10 | alterego | Yeah, I thought it was an interesting read. I wonder if it has anything to do with google's JVM, I bet MS have patented .NET CLR running on mobile hardware as a sandbox of somekind and they fear mongered HTC into royalty arrangements. |
| 07:12.26 | alterego | I find that quite disturbing really, |
| 07:12.41 | Khertan | hat MeeGo is safe from any and all patent claims because of the size and breadth of the companies' patent portfolios |
| 07:12.49 | mece | great quote ftfa: "they will use patents to protect those who adopt MeeGo against opportunistic trolls and companies like Microsoft" |
| 07:12.51 | RST38h | Given the poisonous IP climate in the States, it can be *anything* |
| 07:13.28 | alterego | Khertan: yeah, that's what the article implies, that and meego is based on common GNU/Linux desktop technologies, they lost with SCO, they're not going to come after the mainstream again I doubt. |
| 07:13.38 | alterego | hnologies, they lost with SCO, they're not going to come after the mainstream again I doubt. |
| 07:13.51 | alterego | mece: "theregister" is good like that ;) |
| 07:14.01 | alterego | chnologies, they lost with SCO, they're not going to come after the mainstream again I doubt. |
| 07:14.24 | alterego | Sorry for the paste, twice, my mouse went spaccy. |
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| 07:16.01 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/article_view.php?path=Python&misc=A%20simple%20crash%20log%20reporting%20in%20python <<< someone have comment except the unsecure flyspray report ? |
| 07:16.58 | alterego | Khertan: nice idea :) |
| 07:17.00 | RST38h | Kehertan: "It is simple, really" and then 100+ lines of code? :) |
| 07:17.22 | Khertan | RST38h, of course ... for the interface |
| 07:17.35 | Khertan | there is always too much line of code due to interface |
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| 07:17.48 | Khertan | but the trapping exception is only 10 or 15 line |
| 07:18.15 | alterego | Khertan: I like how you've called it a "class" :P |
| 07:18.16 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 07:18.19 | RST38h | moo, ab |
| 07:18.26 | Khertan | alterego, ? |
| 07:18.34 | ab | RST38h, meeh |
| 07:18.36 | alterego | Looks more like a module to me :P |
| 07:18.51 | Khertan | hum ... true |
| 07:18.55 | Khertan | it s not a class |
| 07:19.00 | Khertan | oups ! |
| 07:19.03 | alterego | :D |
| 07:19.23 | Khertan | and it s not really a module |
| 07:19.28 | Khertan | too badly written |
| 07:19.29 | Khertan | : |
| 07:19.30 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:19.33 | alterego | :) |
| 07:20.03 | RST38h | feels inclined to ask johnkzin if they search employees rectal cavities at Apple |
| 07:20.09 | alterego | Is the qt4 (4.6.2) in extras-devel the version that will be shipped with the next firmware release (PR1.2)? |
| 07:20.19 | RST38h | I mean, that may be the only chance to find out... |
| 07:20.27 | alterego | I'm thinking of installing it on the device for testing my Qt apps. |
| 07:20.46 | mece | Aaaahaha RevdKathy "Don't worry, I have a set of 'get out of hell free' cards as absolutants. Available in return for a small indulgence..." <3 |
| 07:21.51 | Khertan | alterego, i was interested by 4.6.2 too and found this |
| 07:21.52 | Khertan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=643851#post643851 |
| 07:21.52 | frals | Khertan: isnt using %s faster than using + str + str btw? |
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| 07:22.05 | Khertan | frals, it s |
| 07:22.08 | alterego | chnologies, they lost with SCO, they're not going to come after the mainstream again I doubt. |
| 07:22.09 | Khertan | frals, it s faster yes |
| 07:22.18 | Khertan | but just for %s |
| 07:22.38 | Khertan | and in fact it s not always the case |
| 07:22.39 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:22.46 | Khertan | depends on python |
| 07:23.01 | Khertan | but it s doesn't follow pep8 ... this is sure |
| 07:23.02 | Khertan | :)à |
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| 07:23.10 | frals | :) |
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| 07:23.17 | alterego | I generally always use interpolation over concatenation, mainly because I think it looks cleaner :) |
| 07:23.35 | alterego | Khertan: thanks for the link, I guess others' are doing the same then. |
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| 07:24.21 | Khertan | alterego, i most of the time use concatenation, as the other language i mainly use for job is slower on interpolation |
| 07:24.35 | Khertan | and switching between them is sometime confusing :) |
| 07:25.23 | alterego | Heh |
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| 07:31.35 | mece | Hey I need someone to test my mini app.. or particularly the dependencies for it. |
| 07:32.16 | mece | I have installed pretty much everything there is in experimental libraries, so I need someone that has not got every version of qt and pyside on their device |
| 07:33.05 | pupnik | i have some time mece |
| 07:34.11 | mece | pupnik, ok, I'll send a deb to garage in a bit. |
| 07:34.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 07:35.00 | alterego | tmo down again? |
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| 07:36.23 | pupnik | I dunno if Nokia should really give a rat's ass about the US market. the USA is BROKE. |
| 07:36.38 | mece | heeee |
| 07:37.22 | ptl | is stalled until the real PR1.2 comes out. |
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| 07:41.07 | alterego | I think they should care, but I think they should concentrate more on the product, the customers will follow :) |
| 07:42.04 | mece | pupnik, ok tested on my own device, and at least it didn't implode. so upping deb to garage. |
| 07:42.17 | Khertan | it s pretty silent on talk currently ... it s just the calm before the tempest ? |
| 07:43.13 | ptl | I think people are just giving up silently. |
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| 07:44.36 | mece | perhaps abill_uk finally killed tmo! |
| 07:46.18 | Khertan | hum ... for me it s not kill ... it s useable currently ;) |
| 07:46.43 | Khertan | fMMS 1.0.0 aka time to sleep i think
<-- nice name |
| 07:50.33 | Treibholz | listenig to a podcast AND browsing the web is a real pain... |
| 07:53.24 | X-Fade | Treibholz: Yeah, you mean audio interruptions? |
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| 07:54.31 | Treibholz | X-Fade: yes. |
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| 07:55.05 | Treibholz | interruptions would be tollerable, but it's just calm, so I miss words. |
| 07:55.07 | X-Fade | Treibholz: Noticed that too, but it is not the actual rendering in the browser it seems. |
| 07:55.29 | Treibholz | X-Fade: no, it's just anything, that seems to use CPU |
| 07:55.32 | X-Fade | Treibholz: It seems more IO/swaprelated |
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| 07:56.00 | Treibholz | I already turned swappiness down to 50 |
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| 07:56.37 | X-Fade | Treibholz: Yeah, I'm playing with that too. |
| 07:56.38 | X-Fade | Can't put my finger on it though. |
| 07:57.19 | Treibholz | well, maemo and the n900 are an expensive public beta :-) |
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| 07:58.01 | ptl | Hi, X-Fade, you work at Nokia? Why is Nokia making us, its customers, endure so many frustrations with an update that should have been released long ago? Hack, the leaked PR1.2 is much better than the present software we are using and HK got its part. |
| 07:58.03 | mece | X-Fade, did you try using mplayer and bypass pulse? |
| 07:58.34 | X-Fade | ptl: No, I'm not. |
| 07:58.45 | mece | ptl, not X-Fade's problem. He's not nokia. |
| 07:58.53 | X-Fade | ptl: Nokia will release when it is ready, if it is not out, it is clearly not ready yet. |
| 07:58.53 | ptl | ok. |
| 07:59.12 | X-Fade | ptl: Believe me, don't leave it sitting on a shelf just to piss you off. |
| 07:59.23 | X-Fade | *they don't. |
| 07:59.30 | ptl | Oh, I got tired of this answer already. The big question is why it's "not ready", if it was released for HK and even the leaked PR1.2 is way better than the software I am currently running in my N900. |
| 07:59.47 | pupnik | because there are bugs |
| 07:59.56 | ptl | everything has bugs. |
| 08:00.02 | ptl | most importantly, PR1.2 has bugfixes. |
| 08:00.05 | Khertan | Treibholz, try disabling flash in the browser |
| 08:00.26 | Khertan | disabling it i got less interruptions in audio player ... (do not ask me why :) ) |
| 08:00.27 | X-Fade | Generally when there are blocker bugs/regressions, they need to be fixed first. |
| 08:00.33 | Anss| | https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38528 |
| 08:00.34 | povbot` | Bug 38528: was not found. |
| 08:00.45 | pupnik | ptl, i also would prefer a more incremental fix-it strategy, but we are not running the company |
| 08:00.56 | ptl | Agreed but this was reasonable to be said about two months ago. |
| 08:01.01 | ptl | not anymore. |
| 08:01.22 | Anss| | should webkit/webGL work in n900? |
| 08:01.45 | ptl | I am not currently participating in any of the brazilian forums I was in every day. Because if I do, I will tell everybody to sell their N900s. |
| 08:01.59 | Treibholz | Khertan: even on sites that definitively have NO flash. |
| 08:02.00 | mece | pupnik, I have a feeling they are moving towards incremental upgrades.. |
| 08:02.10 | Khertan | Treibholz, even on sites without flash |
| 08:02.14 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:02.26 | Stskeeps | ptl: i think we should be happy they're doing proper testing and process |
| 08:02.33 | Stskeeps | instead of pushing out obviously broken crap. |
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| 08:02.38 | X-Fade | Incremental upgrades are hard because of certification. |
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| 08:03.04 | pupnik | see, there are good reasons why things are as they are. |
| 08:03.11 | Treibholz | flash is a disease anyway... ( This is a historic event! I agree with Steve Jobs! ) |
| 08:03.14 | X-Fade | Which takes quite a lot of time and is expensive. |
| 08:04.06 | Khertan | Treibholz, flash is a pandemic |
| 08:04.20 | Khertan | but steve jobs choice isn't better |
| 08:04.59 | Treibholz | flash isn't only used for video!!!!111oneoneeleven |
| 08:05.09 | mece | is there a useful open format for streaming video in browsers btw? |
| 08:05.19 | Treibholz | mece: theora. |
| 08:05.33 | mece | Treibholz, righty. |
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| 08:05.52 | RST38h | X-Fade: You do not need to certify most of the system |
| 08:06.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: Just the stuff that deals with cellular |
| 08:06.11 | mece | pupnik, did you test? What happened? |
| 08:06.24 | Stskeeps | RST38h: and bluetooth.. |
| 08:06.25 | X-Fade | RST38h: There are multiple things that need to be certified, not only cellular. |
| 08:06.33 | Stskeeps | and usb.. |
| 08:06.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:06.41 | jpe | watch out, jobs is after theora as well... |
| 08:06.44 | RST38h | X-Fade: This does not prevent Nokia from releasing an update to Modest, for example |
| 08:06.54 | RST38h | X-Fade: Or MicroB |
| 08:07.01 | Stskeeps | RST38h: modest is publically developed |
| 08:07.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: Microb is a bad example. |
| 08:07.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: So, no, certification does not apply 100% here =) |
| 08:07.14 | X-Fade | As flash needs cert too ;) |
| 08:07.21 | Stskeeps | no, but it does delay the whole thing |
| 08:07.32 | RST38h | X-Fade: As long as you keep plugin the same, it should not afaik |
| 08:07.43 | Treibholz | certs for what? |
| 08:07.46 | Stskeeps | certification |
| 08:07.53 | RST38h | Stskeeps: then why not release Modest updates every month or so? |
| 08:07.55 | Stskeeps | ie 'usb compliant' etc |
| 08:07.56 | Treibholz | certified by whom? |
| 08:08.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:08.21 | Stskeeps | RST38h: there's updates in the source tree, feel free to pick them up - the infra just doesn't exist :P |
| 08:08.21 | RST38h | Treib: USB Consortium, etc |
| 08:08.30 | mece | tips his hat to Jaffa |
| 08:08.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: sardine was an attempt i think |
| 08:08.48 | X-Fade | I've been thinking of doing a Sardine like release based on open components. |
| 08:08.49 | RST38h | Stskeeps: by the infra you mean the mechanism for building those and committing them to extras-devel? |
| 08:08.55 | X-Fade | If/when we have an obs working. |
| 08:09.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: wOULD BE VERY, very NICE |
| 08:09.09 | RST38h | (sorry for involuntary capslock :)) |
| 08:09.10 | mece | hee |
| 08:09.17 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, separate repo. Otherewise everybody can break your device ;) |
| 08:09.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: there's a bit of issue with ham domains but besides that.. |
| 08:09.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: true |
| 08:09.32 | X-Fade | But this comes at the expense of breaking regular SSU. |
| 08:09.38 | Jaffa | X-Fade: hrw did such a repo for modest. Had some nice patches in which are in bugs.maemo.org but might not be shipped by Nokia (i.e. making it's quoting sane for plain text emails) |
| 08:09.46 | X-Fade | So if you want to have a new official release, you need to reflash probably. |
| 08:10.25 | X-Fade | Or you need to be really creative with domain priorities ;) |
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| 08:10.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, I know. We could do it for a lot more components though. |
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| 08:12.25 | X-Fade | gitorious has a lot of improvemens, which could be packaged. |
| 08:12.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed. |
| 08:13.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: Why not simply reinstall that SSU package that forces other packages versions? |
| 08:13.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: Because the original SSU package then is not considered trusted again. |
| 08:13.35 | hrw|gone | RST38h: modest follows other libraries... modest used by pr1.2 require livesearch from libhildon |
| 08:13.43 | X-Fade | So you need to change trust priorities back first. |
| 08:14.09 | Khertan | X-Fade, there is turn around to break device ! |
| 08:14.11 | hrw|gone | so you need newer libtinymail, newer modest, patch them to compile with pr1.1.1 etc |
| 08:14.17 | hrw|gone | -> out |
| 08:14.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: So switching is possible, but requires quite some work to get right. |
| 08:15.00 | RST38h | Interesting... |
| 08:15.36 | X-Fade | Anyway, what lma did with the diablo community ssu for maemo.org, proves that it can work. |
| 08:16.09 | X-Fade | My N810 now runs 5.2010.16-1 diablo ;) |
| 08:17.40 | X-Fade | Another thing to consider is that with this Sardine like SSUs you will get incompatibility with current Extras. |
| 08:17.57 | X-Fade | So you would need an extra Extras instance linked against the SSU libs. |
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| 08:18.41 | X-Fade | Which is why I think we really need an obs setup for that before we try this ;) |
| 08:18.52 | mece | Is there a way to make a deb depend on a particular version of a package. Namely pyside, since the newest is not installable with pr1.1.1 |
| 08:19.17 | X-Fade | apt-get install pyside=versionhere |
| 08:19.34 | X-Fade | But get the one from extras-testing, that one should work. |
| 08:19.51 | X-Fade | Just disable -devel before installing pyside. |
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| 08:20.25 | mece | X-Fade, does the extras-testing one use qt4.6.2? |
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| 08:20.33 | X-Fade | mece: afaik, yes/ |
| 08:20.53 | mece | X-Fade, but it's rather particular, since the qt packages are in devel... |
| 08:21.19 | X-Fade | Qt is a mess, no doubt about that. |
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| 08:21.43 | X-Fade | After PR1.2 release, it should get better. We had a meeting to make sure this doesn't happen again. |
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| 08:23.29 | mece | X-Fade, ok but back to the question. I want my package in extras-devel, and I want it to be installable now, without having to manually do pyside-qt4-core=0.2.3-1 pyside-qt4-gui=0.2.3-1 |
| 08:23.57 | X-Fade | mece: forget about it ;) |
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| 08:24.49 | mece | X-Fade, so I can't make it try to use a particular version of pyside by adding some magical version numbers and such in my control file? |
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| 08:27.35 | X-Fade | mece: You can, but dependencies between repositories is just a really bad thing. |
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| 08:29.16 | mece | X-Fade, there is no pyside in extras-testing that I can see... |
| 08:30.04 | X-Fade | Ah, pyside. duh. |
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| 08:30.15 | X-Fade | I was thinking about pyqt. |
| 08:34.18 | mece | hmm so would it work with Depends: pyside-qt4-core (= 0.2.3-1) or something like that? I don't know the correct syntax |
| 08:34.53 | alterego | mece: yeah, that looks fine. |
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| 08:57.37 | crashanddie | EHLO y'all |
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| 09:01.02 | Shapeshifter | so, where do I put my stuff now that omploader is in a coma? |
| 09:01.15 | Shapeshifter | as in, I need a pastebin that takes any sort of files. |
| 09:01.26 | Shapeshifter | and nothing stupid like mediafire |
| 09:02.40 | chem|st | I think we should split TMO in half |
| 09:03.18 | mece | chem|st, where would we split it? |
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| 09:03.38 | chem|st | mece: right in the middle and cut through all these dumb users |
| 09:03.52 | mece | chem|st :D hahaha |
| 09:03.54 | pupnik | your definition of who is dumb is personal |
| 09:04.08 | mece | pupnik, yeah. you should use my definitions. |
| 09:04.14 | chem|st | mece: no for sure the more I am doing mod job here I think we should split userbase from develbase |
| 09:04.26 | mece | chem|st, that's true. |
| 09:04.37 | chem|st | pupnik: no I go for educated guess by valid vote |
| 09:04.47 | pupnik | there has always been a seperate place for dev discussion |
| 09:05.02 | mece | pupnik, the mailinglists? |
| 09:05.20 | pupnik | indeed, you html-clickey-person |
| 09:06.08 | mece | pupnik, I'm on those. but I don't really like them though. the forums are much more convenient for me. |
| 09:06.43 | pupnik | then deal with others who value convenience over cognition ;) |
| 09:08.10 | chem|st | pupnik: then developers should stop to post there devel and testing announcements |
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| 09:09.48 | tybollt | new ovi out yet? |
| 09:10.07 | chem|st | reading one post after another from people whining about being not able to do this and that because of filled / |
| 09:10.17 | chem|st | tybollt: what do you mean? |
| 09:11.58 | tybollt | I-s t-h-e n-e-w v-e-r-s-i-o-n o-f o-v-i s-u-i-t-e r-e-l-e-a-s-e-d y-e-t? |
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| 09:12.15 | Treibholz | what is OVI-Suite? |
| 09:12.18 | fcrozat | beta test didn't even started for it |
| 09:12.28 | fcrozat | since inscription are until May 11 IIRC |
| 09:12.46 | tybollt | FACEPALM |
| 09:12.57 | Treibholz | and for what would I need it? |
| 09:13.13 | tybollt | FACEDESK |
| 09:13.19 | tybollt | (getting sore here) |
| 09:13.41 | chem|st | tybollt: the beta started |
| 09:14.09 | chem|st | Treibholz: at some point it is just useless without wine |
| 09:14.14 | tybollt | hmm whom to believe chemist or fcrozat |
| 09:14.40 | Treibholz | chem|st: ahh, a windows-software? |
| 09:14.41 | chem|st | Treibholz: btw thats an idea, installing it via wine may give sparkling glitters all over the place |
| 09:14.51 | chem|st | Treibholz: cant tell |
| 09:14.58 | Treibholz | chem|st: what is it for? |
| 09:15.06 | Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/946486 so, what was that about deb packaging being awesome again? |
| 09:15.31 | Shapeshifter | basically I can't uninstall pyside-qt4-core |
| 09:15.47 | Shapeshifter | and it's not giving me a reason. just "error processing". |
| 09:16.03 | pupnik | never saw "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state" before |
| 09:16.08 | pupnik | congrats, Shapeshifter |
| 09:16.11 | chem|st | ovi-suite is like pc-suite but more connected to ovi (remember Club Nokia? thats going to be ovi) |
| 09:16.47 | tybollt | ovi suite is next gen pc suite |
| 09:16.49 | Treibholz | chem|st: Club Nokia... I remember getting a member-card for my 5110... |
| 09:16.58 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:17.03 | timeless_mbp | libhildon != libhildon1 |
| 09:17.17 | timeless_mbp | libhidlon1, libhidon1 != libhildon1 |
| 09:17.24 | Shapeshifter | deb packaging is rubbish. period. |
| 09:17.25 | chem|st | tybollt: I am tester and if you have a look at tmo I had to close/delete boost all over the place because ppl not reading what they sign (NDA) |
| 09:17.49 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: i used to get that all the time |
| 09:18.38 | tybollt | chem|st: timeless_mbp_ Having fun - eh? |
| 09:19.11 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: typing is hard |
| 09:19.48 | chem|st | tmo gives me timeouts |
| 09:19.58 | chem|st | ~blame Reggie |
| 09:19.59 | infobot | ACTION blames Reggie (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 09:21.08 | Shapeshifter | well this is broken. it suggests reinstalling the package which of course also doesn't work |
| 09:22.19 | ptl | ~blame PR1.2 |
| 09:22.20 | infobot | ACTION blames PR1.2 (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 09:26.34 | chem|st | ~trout ptl |
| 09:26.35 | infobot | ACTION slaps ptl around a bit with a large trout! |
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| 09:28.22 | Shapeshifter | But really, if people think apt is great and rpm is bad, how horrible must rpm be... |
| 09:29.32 | nid0 | rpm's fine |
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| 09:30.30 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: rpm isn't bad |
| 09:30.33 | tybollt | this is maemo, not meepoo |
| 09:30.39 | tybollt | please |
| 09:30.48 | timeless_mbp | i'm sure someone's run rpm on maemo :) |
| 09:31.21 | Shapeshifter | In any case, how do I possibly fix this. I went through a hole catalogue of things to do "when apt fails" but none of them worked. |
| 09:31.29 | pgas | rpm is more like dpkg than like apt |
| 09:31.42 | tybollt | pgas++ |
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| 09:31.55 | tybollt | yum is to rpm what apt is to dpkg |
| 09:33.26 | Shapeshifter | I can't do anything anymore, really, because whatever I do it tells me pyside-qt4-core is in a very serious bad state and needs antibiotics immediately |
| 09:33.39 | Shapeshifter | and I cant reinstall it, I cant uninstall it |
| 09:33.46 | Shapeshifter | because it depends on stuff which is missing in the repo. |
| 09:34.19 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: does dpkg -L pyside-qt4-core list stuff? |
| 09:34.31 | timeless_mbp | what i'd do is: |
| 09:34.48 | RST38h | OMG: Microsoft releases Symbian Communicator |
| 09:34.54 | timeless_mbp | 1. tarball backup all_files_from_that_dpkg_L |
| 09:35.06 | timeless_mbp | 2. delete all_files_from_that_dpkg_L |
| 09:35.15 | timeless_mbp | 3. edit /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 09:35.22 | tybollt | rst? |
| 09:35.26 | Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: yes, it lists the tree to /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.5/PySide/QtCore.so and to some stuff in /usr/share/ |
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| 09:35.38 | alterego | RST38h: ? |
| 09:35.47 | Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: thanks, I'll try that |
| 09:35.55 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: no warranty :) |
| 09:36.23 | tybollt | ah |
| 09:36.32 | tybollt | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/05/nokia_microsoft_messaging_app/ |
| 09:36.36 | tybollt | *YAWN* |
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| 09:38.49 | Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: mhh, I fixed the problem by unpacking an old bunch of pyside debs I got from MohammedAG |
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| 09:39.12 | Shapeshifter | So now stuff is okay again but I guess next time I do something with libshiboken packages or similar, breakage will be back |
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| 09:55.19 | rmrfchik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=644197 |
| 09:55.21 | rmrfchik | o_O |
| 09:56.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo |
| 09:56.43 | rmrfchik | ahh. troll |
| 09:56.45 | rmrfchik | damn |
| 09:56.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | troll??? |
| 09:57.01 | adeus | using multiple exclamation marks is a sure sign of a diseased mind |
| 09:58.00 | tybollt | troll!111111111111 |
| 09:58.22 | chem|st | ppl now start using the report this function... now I need someone to hack it to have the report this change into a has been reported to have posts not reported 6 times |
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| 09:58.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | adeus: mixing exlamation with question mark is a sign of a poorly coded bot. Authenticate to turingtest NOW! |
| 10:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | adeus: no bots allowed here. So show your're human, or get banned |
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| 10:00.12 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: =) |
| 10:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | adeus: waiting |
| 10:00.33 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 10:00.55 | *** kick/#maemo [adeus!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (User terminated!) |
| 10:01.24 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 10:01.27 | tybollt | omeh |
| 10:01.30 | Stskeeps | a bot with a finnish name? |
| 10:01.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 10:01.47 | Stskeeps | best way to do it is by verifying it instead |
| 10:01.51 | Stskeeps | ie doing "foo???" |
| 10:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | I gave him enough chance and reasoning to answer |
| 10:02.16 | Stskeeps | passes DocScrutinizer some coffee |
| 10:02.27 | tybollt | now now you gals... |
| 10:02.39 | rmrfchik | why HHGTTG cames to my mind now/ |
| 10:02.40 | rmrfchik | ? |
| 10:04.04 | tybollt | calls slartibartfast on rmrfchick |
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| 10:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: thanks, much needed |
| 10:05.11 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 10:06.08 | tybollt | Stskeeps: I don't get any? :( |
| 10:06.20 | tybollt | (uh that came out way WAY wrong ;) |
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| 10:07.12 | adeus | hey go blame Terry Pratchett :) |
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| 10:07.47 | ccooke | adeus: I do. Every day :-) |
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| 10:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro |
| 10:08.12 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 40m 20s ago, saying: 'oh, that's bad news -- I loved the way you handled it.'. |
| 10:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 10:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | oO |
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| 10:09.09 | furunk3l | y helo thar! |
| 10:09.20 | pupnik_ | Internet Censorship Is Now âSubstantially Justifiedâ â Mises Economics Blog http://blog.mises.org/12623/internet-censorship-is-now-substantially-justified/ "It is the speaker who must prove he has a right to speak" |
| 10:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | that's no change :-P |
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| 10:22.01 | phellarv | Hmmm - packaging ruby 1.9 for Maemo takes time |
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| 10:23.55 | MaikB | Hello |
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| 10:24.47 | lcuk | frals, resize image width "Original" isnt liked when I try to send a photo taken with camera on my provider |
| 10:25.16 | lcuk | but i didnt set it - i seem to recall filling in 320 on last test |
| 10:25.29 | frals | hmm |
| 10:25.45 | MaikB | As you all know the attitude on talk.maemo.org is very whiny. This is annoying but acceptable, IMO. What is not acceptable is the 4chan style wording (adult swear words and very personal attacks) that pops up all over the place. |
| 10:26.22 | Jaffa | MaikB: Agreed. Email Reggie, or maybe raise a bug ;-) |
| 10:26.35 | MaikB | This is real problem which requires more intensive moderation |
| 10:26.41 | lcuk | MaikB, i noticed this just a minute ago and was waiting until i spotted a moderator plodding around, descending from light hearted ribbing to one or two specific people out and out profanity and rudeness |
| 10:26.53 | adeus | phellarv: are you doing it or waiting someone else to do it? |
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| 10:27.17 | frals | lcuk: the fact your operator isnt liking enormous mmses is normal i guess, you sure havent fiddled with the image resize at some point to set it to original? |
| 10:27.41 | RST38h | Apple-obsessed geeks launch fanboi dating site |
| 10:27.52 | lcuk | frals, after i configured it once and we went over the ux a coupe of weeks ago i had not updated package |
| 10:28.01 | SpeedEvil | original would be silly anyway. 2MP is the functional max of the camera |
| 10:29.28 | Surfa | frals, also many devices aren't able to receive "oversized" mms-messages |
| 10:29.57 | frals | Surfa: yeah, either operator hates them or the receiving handset :) |
| 10:29.58 | Surfa | but ok, i don't know what's definition of original is not liked :) |
| 10:30.07 | frals | (fMMS does no such thing, it eats everything ;-)) |
| 10:30.29 | Surfa | well, all modern handsets should eat too :) |
| 10:30.30 | phellarv | adeus: I'm doing it |
| 10:30.30 | MaikB | Jaffa, lcuk, I started using "Report This", but I would like to know what's the position of the moderators on this issue. Maybe a key word for this kind of posts can be established, so that the moderators can save time |
| 10:30.35 | Surfa | it's more a historical problem |
| 10:30.48 | frals | lcuk: when we went over the ux it was still a numeric field, you might have put 0 there.. ill do some testing once i get home either way, cheers :) |
| 10:30.57 | frals | Surfa: they should, but they dont seem to ;) |
| 10:31.19 | phellarv | Hrmf - ruby 1.9 failed - Now trying ruby 1.8 |
| 10:31.20 | lcuk | frals ok - i had it set to something because ive got mmseds back and forth between missus |
| 10:31.25 | Surfa | bad devices.. any nokia devices included in this? |
| 10:31.54 | frals | lcuk: oh, if its anything but 240/320/640 its gonna show up as original i think |
| 10:32.06 | Jaffa | MaikB: Most of the moderators aren't here |
| 10:32.07 | frals | can check what its set to with gconftool-2 -R /apps/fmms |
| 10:32.17 | lcuk | ahhh frals |
| 10:32.28 | lcuk | i reset it now, but that might be it |
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| 10:32.42 | lcuk | suppose i mightv done 512 or something |
| 10:33.11 | MaikB | Jaffa, one of them is would be enough to spread the word :) |
| 10:33.33 | Jaffa | MaikB: I don't think they're that interconnected |
| 10:34.30 | MaikB | To make my position clear: I don't think this kind of language is ill minded, it is fun (most of the time). But talk.maemo.org is just not the place for it |
| 10:34.32 | frals | lcuk: that be why then :) ill try to reproduce anyway |
| 10:34.41 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so⦠i think i have a package set that will work w/ pr1.1.1 and pr1.2 :) |
| 10:34.47 | timeless_mbp | it only took a week or two |
| 10:35.06 | timeless_mbp | can't wait to see what breaks |
| 10:36.07 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Of translations? |
| 10:36.11 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 10:36.25 | lcuk | frals, based on what you said, perhaps a tweak would be if(value<=240){Small}elseif(value<=320){Medium}elseif(value<=640){large}else{Original} |
| 10:36.29 | timeless_mbp | my solution is to side by side install both sets |
| 10:36.34 | timeless_mbp | and dynamically pick the right set |
| 10:36.43 | timeless_mbp | which of course requires some magic to figure out which set is right |
| 10:37.01 | lcuk | or similar |
| 10:37.15 | frals | lcuk: yeah.. good idea |
| 10:38.31 | RST38h | Hmmm...Eero has made an interesting observation |
| 10:38.59 | RST38h | Looks like the troubles with Media Player applet may be due to OMWeather or some other applet |
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| 10:39.14 | lcuk | MaikB, most seem to be from "-maemoGUY-" |
| 10:39.28 | MaikB | lcuk, yepp |
| 10:39.28 | RST38h | only has OMWeather and the little calendar thing, so it must be one of two |
| 10:39.42 | timeless_mbp | gah |
| 10:39.49 | timeless_mbp | still manages to screw this up |
| 10:40.03 | MaikB | I would be surprised if a big number of ppl had be banned in order to get this issue sorted |
| 10:40.17 | tybollt | RST38h: I would not be surprised if it is that (clusterfuck) Omweather. :-) |
| 10:40.28 | tybollt | (yes I am using omweather myself :) |
| 10:41.12 | RST38h | OMWeather is pretty coool |
| 10:41.26 | tybollt | updated it recently? |
| 10:41.36 | tybollt | -> reboot device... |
| 10:41.37 | tybollt | uhm |
| 10:42.30 | Arkenoi | rst38h: i prefer foreca, it seems more accurate and the widget is smaller |
| 10:43.09 | RST38h | Arkenoi: OMWeather has configurable widget shape, I made it vertical so that it does not take much space |
| 10:43.15 | RST38h | Can't do the same with foreca |
| 10:44.05 | tybollt | also the scrolling omweather does when placing the weather icons... awww so cuuute :) |
| 10:44.56 | lcuk | tybollt, then dont use it. you have choices. |
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| 10:45.14 | lcuk | just dont moan about the hard work the devs do in the open community |
| 10:45.32 | lcuk | infact, better is find out why and try fix it and offer patch |
| 10:45.42 | tybollt | lcuk: That's the pi |
| 10:45.46 | tybollt | point :) |
| 10:45.48 | lcuk | im sure vlad and wazd will be happy for the help |
| 10:46.08 | tybollt | ehr |
| 10:46.25 | tybollt | yes lcuk, I understand that you want me to be a happy li'll fanboi, but, sorry. :-) |
| 10:46.53 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: try using .1 |
| 10:46.56 | RST38h | lcuk: you are overreacting |
| 10:46.57 | timeless_mbp | i think it should install |
| 10:47.04 | lcuk | possibly |
| 10:47.58 | RST38h | But yes, just because an app *may* *possibly* have a problem with dbus does not mean it is garbage |
| 10:48.08 | RST38h | Diagnose, report, wait for Vlad to fix it |
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| 10:48.49 | tybollt | RST38h: Fine, I may have exagerated a little bit |
| 10:48.54 | RST38h | quick question: Where is the IMEI? |
| 10:49.04 | mece | RST38h, under the battery |
| 10:49.22 | tybollt | *#06* |
| 10:49.23 | RST38h | looking for a location that is closer to shell |
| 10:49.29 | tybollt | *#06* <-- will show you your IMEI |
| 10:49.39 | RST38h | not anywhere in the file system? |
| 10:49.39 | mece | hahahaha |
| 10:50.10 | RST38h | the damn thing is on the charger in the next room, and I am too lazy =) |
| 10:50.24 | mece | lol |
| 10:50.46 | tybollt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.54 | mece | ok right err.. so.. I'm still working on this dependency issue.. |
| 10:51.37 | Arkenoi | wonders why people keep whining about java |
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| 10:52.06 | timeless | hrm, didn't kwork |
| 10:52.12 | timeless | :( |
| 10:52.14 | mece | I put Depends: pyside-qt4-core (= 0.2.3-1maemo3), but it didn't work. however if I do apt-get install pyside-qt4-core=0.2.3-1maemo3 it works. So, how should the Depends line look like to get apt-get -f install to install that version? |
| 10:52.16 | RST38h | Arkenoi: two groups |
| 10:52.17 | Arkenoi | it is that trivial to add, so no one made it really user friendly could simply mean just one thing: no one really cares enough |
| 10:52.21 | tybollt | timeless: kworkian? |
| 10:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | adeus: sorry mate |
| 10:52.57 | RST38h | Arkenoi: 1) java fanatics, never use java apps, just program hello world stuff with buttons |
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| 10:53.06 | RST38h | Arkenoi: 2) people who want MIDP games |
| 10:53.30 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Neither group has enough expertise to install or package Java |
| 10:53.31 | adeus | DocScrutinizer: servers me right for working instead of ircing! |
| 10:53.37 | vanadismobile | does the n900 allow to priorise an application, i.e. media player? |
| 10:53.39 | Arkenoi | rst38: well, if they do care that much, why not make emulator usable? people do run opera mini successfully atm |
| 10:53.46 | Arkenoi | ah |
| 10:53.55 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Because that requires skills |
| 10:54.04 | RST38h | Arkenoi: While whining does not |
| 10:54.18 | alterego | vanadismobile: messing with prioritisation is a bad idea. |
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| 10:54.29 | Arkenoi | vanadismobile: media player jerks because it is io bound, so tweaking cpu priority won't really help |
| 10:55.01 | Arkenoi | alterego: well, until i reniced as-daemon and intellisyncd, it sucked. |
| 10:55.19 | Arkenoi | it still sucks, just less |
| 10:55.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:56.06 | vanadismobile | Arkenoi, thx |
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| 11:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: pnatd at+cgsn |
| 11:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: = IMEI |
| 11:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | HTH |
| 11:02.55 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I |
| 11:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: ? |
| 11:03.29 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I'm guessing about a litre of coffee or a bunch of amphetamine would work better ;) |
| 11:03.35 | achipa | mece: don't do it. hard-depending on exact package versions in such cases is the wrong solution |
| 11:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: why you're insulting me? |
| 11:04.18 | Arkenoi | vertsms and its phone keyboard emulator for typing SMS with 12 keys is just sick ;-) |
| 11:04.56 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: Ehr no I was poking fun of the fact that RST wouldn't want to get out of his chair to go grab the phone :) |
| 11:05.39 | RST38h | found it |
| 11:05.48 | RST38h | But thanks Doc |
| 11:08.06 | iPeter- | Hi, is it possible to flash n900 with ubuntu? |
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| 11:08.25 | mece | achipa, well it's that or nothing right now. I can upgrade once things work again. |
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| 11:08.44 | iPeter- | and if i take backup of my n900, where it does save, because id like to get that backup to my pc |
| 11:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | btw anybody got an idea how to quit pnatd, except 'killall pnatd' or tear down the ssh? |
| 11:09.42 | achipa | mece: oooor, you could save yourself a ton of trouble and just install PyQt but I guess you have some sort of grudge with it :) |
| 11:12.15 | Dima_Sharihin | hi2all. I tried to install maemo sdk, but installer returns error. When I entered in browser http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/nokia-binaries/binary-i386/Packages.gz i saw 404 error |
| 11:13.02 | X-Fade | Dima_Sharihin: That can't be a correct url. |
| 11:13.23 | Dima_Sharihin | X-Fade, oh, really? Maybe installer incorrect too? |
| 11:13.32 | X-Fade | I doubt it :) |
| 11:14.04 | Dima_Sharihin | Huh. But why it can't download binary packages with wizard... |
| 11:14.29 | achipa | X-Fade: any optification epiphanies ? |
| 11:14.48 | X-Fade | achipa: Mailed Ed and Marius to ask if they see the problem. |
| 11:14.55 | achipa | X-Fade: thx |
| 11:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | (pnatd) is that a bug or am I too stupid to see the obvious alternative to ^C, ^D, .<CR> |
| 11:15.20 | RST38h | has now confirmed what he always suspected: DISk ACTIVITY HANGS N900 |
| 11:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 11:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | everybody sane knows |
| 11:15.37 | iPeter- | Hey. i have never flashed my n900, and now i would want to. Is it possible with ubuntu? |
| 11:15.51 | RST38h | Copying a huge file from SD card to internal card. CPU usage 0%. |
| 11:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nice you got a prrof though |
| 11:15.55 | achipa | DISK ACTIVITY HANGS [insert any computing platform here] |
| 11:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | proof even |
| 11:16.08 | RST38h | achipa: not really |
| 11:16.31 | RST38h | achipa: Go copy 1GB of MP3 files from one drive to another on your PC. See if the OS is responsive in the process |
| 11:16.34 | achipa | okay, LINUX based computing platform for starters ;) |
| 11:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | s/DISK/SWAP and you're a winner |
| 11:16.46 | RST38h | achipa: A'ok do it in Ubuntu |
| 11:16.59 | RST38h | Doc: Well, *any* disk activity will do it seems |
| 11:17.05 | RST38h | Doc: Swap included of course |
| 11:17.15 | achipa | RST38h: kills me every time, especially on notebooks |
| 11:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: kernel spinlocks? NO_PREEMPTIVE?? oO |
| 11:17.24 | RST38h | achipa: works for me |
| 11:17.45 | RST38h | Doc: Not sure, I am afraid this has to be addressed to Urho or someone else from Nokia |
| 11:17.54 | RST38h | with swap I understand though |
| 11:18.03 | mece | achipa, I couldn't get pyqt4 to work at all with qt4.6.2 |
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| 11:18.12 | achipa | RST38h: works as in 'doesn't influence UI responsiveness' or ? |
| 11:18.27 | achipa | mece: did you try my PR1.1.1 package from the talk thread ? |
| 11:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: we got a ionice on maemo? |
| 11:18.40 | mece | achipa, url plz? |
| 11:19.02 | achipa | We are currently upgrading server software. We will be back soon... |
| 11:19.04 | achipa | duh |
| 11:19.21 | mece | achipa, I'm trying to get the program installable from extras-devel without having to manually install stuff, so external stuff would not really help though. |
| 11:19.47 | Dima_Sharihin | achipa, tnx, do you know, when they will have done upgrading? |
| 11:19.54 | achipa | mece: the thing is, whatever you try before PR1.2 will end up being a frankenpackage |
| 11:20.40 | mece | achipa, that's ok. one can upgrade to something proper once pr1.2 is out. All i want is for it to work right fn now ;) |
| 11:21.35 | mece | and installing pyside-qt4-core 0.2.3-1maemo3 works, so that's what I want my package to do. |
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| 11:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: maybe you find a ionice(1) for maemo, could be handy |
| 11:22.34 | RST38h | Doc: Arkenoi was also looking for it |
| 11:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | depending on io-scheduler it might turn out to be vastly useless though |
| 11:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: renicing the copying process doesn't help? |
| 11:24.32 | achipa | mece: you realize that package is deprecated and the repository cleaner script can remove it any day now ? |
| 11:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | frankenpackage - heh lovely |
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| 11:25.47 | RST38h | Doc: Well I am looking for a general solution that will cure swap lockup problems too |
| 11:25.58 | RST38h | This particular copying thing was just a test |
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| 11:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | swap lockups are *very* hard to cure, probably impossible |
| 11:26.52 | RST38h | decrease swappiness? decrease overal system memory footprint by killing unnecessary daemons? |
| 11:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | depending on what's swapped out and needs a swap-in |
| 11:27.03 | mece | achipa, is it? |
| 11:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure, you can try to avoid swapping |
| 11:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: but a swapped-out process will block for quite some time inevitably |
| 11:27.55 | mece | on a side note, Microsoft Kin One has to be the dumbest looking phone ever made! |
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| 11:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles 'stop playing cpt, obvious, doc!" |
| 11:28.28 | RST38h | Doc: I am mostly pissed off at the overal system lockup |
| 11:28.30 | achipa | mece: it is, everybody went for PR1.2 stuff and effectively deprecated their old packages |
| 11:28.43 | RST38h | Doc: Due to some process (Fennec!) hogging swap |
| 11:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, swapper daemon is kernel prio |
| 11:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | prolly that's why |
| 11:29.18 | mece | achipa, but where is the newer package then? |
| 11:29.52 | achipa | mece: it's the 0.3.1-1maemo1 one |
| 11:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | actually a sane design should drop prio of swapper daemon temporaraily according to the prio of the process triggering the swap |
| 11:30.25 | achipa | mece: and yes, it's broken, hello Qt package naming madness |
| 11:30.39 | mece | achipa, ah yes.. there it is. |
| 11:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | btw that's exactly how even phone/dialer app comes to a grinding halt/freeze |
| 11:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | anybody to confirm my thoughts or stop me from telling BS, please? |
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| 11:32.52 | andrewfblack | Best thing I've seen on t.m.o in a while http://talk.maemo.org/ |
| 11:33.14 | Shapeshifter | indeed |
| 11:34.24 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I notice swapping issues too. |
| 11:34.55 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I wonder if killing all these pre-started apps will help. |
| 11:35.16 | X-Fade | Don't mind if my clock or image viewer takes longer to start ;) |
| 11:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: it will no doubt free up some ram |
| 11:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: so swapping occurs 'later' |
| 11:36.00 | X-Fade | Yeah, maybe it is enough though. |
| 11:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: but as soon as it starts swapping, you're running into same trouble |
| 11:36.29 | Dima_Sharihin | And... Can we turn off swap or move it to SD flash card? |
| 11:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: it's never enough ram ;-) |
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| 11:36.56 | X-Fade | No RAM is limited. |
| 11:37.06 | ayanes | Hi |
| 11:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: sure we can, at the expense of certain immanent averse effects |
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| 11:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: e.g. RST38h's fennec would abort then due to ENOSPACE, rather than freezing the system by swapping |
| 11:38.50 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, oh, what is ENOSPACE? |
| 11:39.02 | RST38h | Doc: I think the sane way to approach this would be to discuss it with a few nokians |
| 11:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: btw swap partition is on eMMC already |
| 11:39.15 | RST38h | Doc: konttori and ab, for example |
| 11:39.36 | RST38h | Doc: See what their take is and whether they can hint on some directions for experimentation |
| 11:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well, I'm a *total* noob when it comes to kernel hacking. So that's probably up to somebody else to do that |
| 11:40.13 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, can we try to archieve application memory? ;) |
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| 11:40.36 | mece | achipa, ok fine I give up. So it's the same with pyqt I guess. Meaning there is no way of making a package work that depend on qt4.6.2 and a python wrapper? |
| 11:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: err, WHAT? |
| 11:41.21 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, try to using .Tar with applications... use less memory by archiving |
| 11:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | lol, ram-doubler |
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| 11:41.49 | RST38h | Dima: Quick check: Do you have any idea what you are talking about? |
| 11:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | never seen a proper implementation |
| 11:42.11 | Dima_Sharihin | RST38h, hm, do you think, that nokia n900 so slow device? |
| 11:42.28 | Dima_Sharihin | Me too =) |
| 11:42.29 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I used mergemem back when I had a 4M laptop - worked well |
| 11:42.38 | achipa | mece: no non-hacky way until the dreaded pr |
| 11:42.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm astounded that nobodies pushed similar into the kernel |
| 11:43.05 | SpeedEvil | (merge identical pages - copy-on-write) |
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| 11:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's in recent kernel! |
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| 11:43.34 | RST38h | Quick check failed. |
| 11:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's called, err...... |
| 11:43.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:43.49 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's only for vms though |
| 11:43.56 | SpeedEvil | it cannot be turned on for the whole system |
| 11:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 11:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | see above ^^ |
| 11:44.21 | Dima_Sharihin | RST38h, naturally. I'm programmer... or student |
| 11:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.26 | RST38h | Wait you mean Maemo kernel does not have copy-on-write |
| 11:44.27 | RST38h | ? |
| 11:44.31 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: no |
| 11:44.41 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: mergemem did something different |
| 11:44.50 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Start two copies of bash. |
| 11:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | program text will share same mempage |
| 11:45.22 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: A sizeable fraction of the pages bash creates are identical - in the newly created copies. - though these have not been loaded from any device. |
| 11:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | though it's virtually distinct memory |
| 11:45.44 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: If you merge these blocks into one block, you get an often sizable memory saving. |
| 11:46.28 | RST38h | of course |
| 11:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | targeted to servers running zillions of identical processes |
| 11:47.01 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, I think, in N900 programs a very few common pages =) |
| 11:47.02 | RST38h | but afaik Unix kernels do not do merging, but they do do copy-on-write where forked process starts with the same pages as its parent |
| 11:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | (like CERN?) |
| 11:47.22 | RST38h | and only makes copies of these pages when they are written |
| 11:47.28 | RST38h | so, does Maemo do the same? |
| 11:47.33 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes |
| 11:47.37 | RST38h | ufff |
| 11:47.46 | RST38h | was kinda scared |
| 11:47.46 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: that's standard unix, and works as expected with hardware with MMU |
| 11:48.29 | RST38h | mergemem probably won't do much good in Maemo though. Too few duplicated processes. |
| 11:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | (grr, MMU. Was the reasin I wasn't able to port minix to my amiga1000 back when) |
| 11:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | reason even |
| 11:48.51 | SpeedEvil | It's not only processes - also loaded library per-process data |
| 11:48.58 | RST38h | Maybe killing off some browserds and Modest processes would do a better job |
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| 11:49.15 | RST38h | Minix did not require MMU |
| 11:49.15 | Dima_Sharihin | Can we compile own kernel using swap optimising... or it's problem of storage controller? |
| 11:49.27 | RST38h | In fact, things like Uzix do not require MMU |
| 11:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | we're quite off topic wrt sanitizing swapping freezes |
| 11:49.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not quite |
| 11:49.57 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Merging pages can reduce memory usage - and hence swapping |
| 11:50.13 | RST38h | Doc,Speed: Well, for that you need at least two components: someone who knows how kernel works and someone from Nokia who can describe the current setup |
| 11:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | reduce - yeah. but not sanitize |
| 11:50.27 | RST38h | Doc,Speed: And I do not see either of the two present |
| 11:50.44 | Dima_Sharihin | RST38h, the latter seems to be difficult |
| 11:50.54 | Dima_Sharihin | ...and the first too |
| 11:51.00 | RST38h | Dima: not really. |
| 11:51.04 | SpeedEvil | Some sane swap-on-flash algorithm that did linear writes only would be good |
| 11:51.34 | RST38h | Speed: You will probably have better luck changing current kernel policies than implementing new algorithms |
| 11:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | system freeze on swapping is a nasty effect seen on virtually all machines (at least that's my experience) |
| 11:52.04 | SpeedEvil | err - no. Current swap algorithm doesn't know that there is a horrible penalty to writing out-of-order on flash. |
| 11:52.27 | SpeedEvil | As in it can go down to tens of K/second when writing small blocks |
| 11:52.37 | Dima_Sharihin | RST38h, and what about some kind of "laptop-mode"? Is there anything like? |
| 11:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | aiui the problem is swapper-daemon is running at high priority |
| 11:53.40 | BCMM | what is the approximate maemo equivalent of kteatime, i.e. a way to tell my phone to beep in three minute time? |
| 11:53.48 | BCMM | (well, N minutes) |
| 11:54.10 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, did you try to use built-in reminder in calendat? =)) |
| 11:54.17 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: sleep 180;play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav |
| 11:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise processes that aren't blocked by cache-miss (aka swap in some mem) should run flawlessly during one nasty app causing severe swapping |
| 11:54.41 | RST38h | Doc: Ok, lowering its priority should not be difficult, right? |
| 11:54.50 | RST38h | Doc: nice-something? |
| 11:54.58 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: i presume that interface is more geared towards setting reminders at an absolute time |
| 11:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: alarmed app |
| 11:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: courtesy Shapeshifter |
| 11:55.26 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: i like the idea, but i was wondering about something a bit faster (maybe doesn't need keyboard) |
| 11:55.32 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i'll have a look |
| 11:55.41 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: there are a couple of stopwatch apps too |
| 11:55.43 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, write your own bash script |
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| 11:56.05 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: easy, but needs the keyboard to operate |
| 11:56.10 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: if you just want a set 3 minute beep - you could hook the above script to a 'queen beecon' widget |
| 11:56.55 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: press the button, and it fires the script |
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| 11:56.55 | RST38h | "Obama may get personal V-22 Osprey tiltrotor" <=== what a delightfull way to murder the acting president! |
| 11:56.55 | BCMM | ok, looks like there is are a million and one such systems |
| 11:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but alarmed does the job quite nicely |
| 11:56.55 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: what is queen beecon? a desktop widget to run arbitrary commands? |
| 11:56.55 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.56 | SpeedEvil | with a silly name |
| 11:57.20 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: oh, i am so going to abuse SSH keys to give me desktop buttons that make various computers around the country go "beep" |
| 11:57.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed alarmed alarmed alarmed alarmed alarmed alarmed |
| 11:58.06 | BCMM | there are so very many |
| 11:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | maemo's crond |
| 11:58.18 | Dima_Sharihin | Beeep! maemo programers so severe |
| 11:58.20 | BCMM | i think i will install the smallest one, then the next smallest if i don't like the interface |
| 11:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: test alarmed!!!! |
| 11:59.11 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, of course. On Windows you do other way? |
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| 11:59.17 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: overkill for what i'm trying to do |
| 11:59.26 | BCMM | Dima_Sharihin: what's windows? |
| 12:00.03 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, Microsoft© Windows® |
| 12:00.10 | BCMM | that still exists? |
| 12:00.36 | Dima_Sharihin | =) i don't know. I'm using ubuntu 10.04 |
| 12:00.51 | BCMM | (the only reason i'm having difficulty is that i really need 'eix' on my n900) |
| 12:01.43 | achipa | Fatal error: Xcache not installed in [path]/includes/class_datastore.php on line 506 |
| 12:01.47 | BCMM | eggtimer: 22k, crash on startup |
| 12:02.14 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: alarmed won't install, needs newer Qt |
| 12:02.31 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, huh... it happens |
| 12:02.50 | BCMM | when that happens, it means they've been developing it for pr1.2, right? |
| 12:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 |
| 12:03.05 | BCMM | fights the trollish urge to ask |
| 12:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: please edit above posting! |
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| 12:03.26 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: was that meant for me? |
| 12:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: Shapeshifter: it needs a --force-all |
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| 12:04.01 | BCMM | i do not know what you are talking about |
| 12:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: otherwise I woldn't highlight you, no? |
| 12:04.11 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, what is PR1.2? I want why Maemo SDK can't install itself on my laptop... damn nokia =) |
| 12:04.12 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: is that supposed to be a page of PHP errors? |
| 12:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | huh?? |
| 12:04.36 | BCMM | fights the trollish urge to try and get Dima to ask |
| 12:04.47 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 is a page of PHP errors for me |
| 12:04.57 | Stskeeps | BCMM: they're upgradig |
| 12:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | too bad |
| 12:05.02 | Surfa | frals, "General error, please contact the author." :) |
| 12:05.08 | Surfa | quite informative |
| 12:05.41 | Dima_Sharihin | Surfa, any contacts of this "author"? |
| 12:06.27 | Surfa | i think frals in the beginning of the line could clear up |
| 12:06.41 | Surfa | speaking of fmms in this case |
| 12:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: apt-get update; apt-get install unzip; cd /home/user/MyDocs; wget http://omploader.org/vNDVoaw/pyside.zip; unzip pyside.zip; dpkg -i pyside*.deb; apt-get -f --force-all install |
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| 12:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: should fix the needs>=4.6.2 error for alarmed |
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| 12:08.24 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: that link is broken btw, omploader died |
| 12:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
| 12:08.38 | Shapeshifter | BCMM, DocScrutinizer : use stuff.moritzg.ch/pyside.zip |
| 12:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: edit you post |
| 12:09.01 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I already did |
| 12:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | aah, PHP-error |
| 12:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | yawns, then sighs |
| 12:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | then curses pr1.2 crap messup |
| 12:09.49 | BCMM | looks like countdown timer is about what i want - makes noises, and allows customised presets like kteatime |
| 12:10.10 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: what messup? SDK vs fw not being released yet? |
| 12:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: I guess yes |
| 12:10.51 | tybollt | I understand how developers must get real frustrated about that :-| |
| 12:11.04 | andrewfblack | doesn't look like t.m.o update is going very well for Reggie instead of Update Info Page site is just down now |
| 12:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | ask Shapeshifter |
| 12:11.12 | Dima_Sharihin | BCMM, you made it less than an hour. Tea has colded already? |
| 12:11.18 | Jaffa | andrewfblack: And forum.meego.com too |
| 12:11.27 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: what do you need? |
| 12:11.39 | andrewfblack | Jaffa: Maybe he is rebooting Server |
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| 12:12.09 | BCMM | Shapeshifter: approximately kteatime - counts down then beeps, and you can select some custom preset times |
| 12:12.14 | BCMM | i use it for cooking |
| 12:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeeehaa! |
| 12:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | Deprecated: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /home/tabtalk/public_html/forums/includes/init.php on line 105 |
| 12:12.32 | hume | hi.... I'm using a N900 and am not very satisfied with the media player, for playing music. Anyone got good advice about a better music player (music on device, not jamedo or other streaming stuff)? |
| 12:12.36 | BCMM | where are ringtones stored? |
| 12:12.42 | BCMM | can one even access it from the open file dialog? |
| 12:12.57 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: ah. okay. well alarmed *can* do that, but much more. For a simple countdown I personally would probably use sleep ;) |
| 12:13.14 | Dima_Sharihin | hume, download mplayer |
| 12:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: depends what you mean by 'ringtones' |
| 12:13.34 | BCMM | Shapeshifter: me too, but it would be convient to have something that can be operated by fingers if one just wants to use a preset time |
| 12:13.51 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: for example, the default sound that happens when you get a phone call |
| 12:13.57 | Shapeshifter | BCMM: wasn't there a tea timer in the repos... |
| 12:14.12 | BCMM | oh found it |
| 12:14.18 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, ringtone - is a small mp3 playing on ring or alarm =) Capitan Obvious |
| 12:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | the file actually used is in some ~user/.local/ringtones |
| 12:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: :x |
| 12:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: it's copied there and transcoded when you select a ringtone |
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| 12:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: then there's the default for searching ringtones: ~/MyDocs/.sounds/Ringtones |
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| 12:17.22 | BCMM | i'll certainly have a look at alarmed when 1.2 comes out, but it seems that countdown timer does exactly what i wanted and nothing else |
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| 12:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: and of course you can select any arbitrary file for new ringtone, as long as it's a wellknown audio format and somewhere in MyDocs or /media/card |
| 12:18.00 | Veggen | hmm. Anyone know of a location-based alarm? |
| 12:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: any further questions/remarks?? |
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| 12:18.46 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, no, thanks |
| 12:18.54 | Veggen | <----would like to be woke up 500 meter before bus arrives at my home/work-stop. I'm rather good at falling asleep, especially if there's a traffic jam so the bus is slow. |
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| 12:19.28 | frals | Scelt: what does the log say? |
| 12:19.45 | frals | Scelt: it's a catch-all error handler when sending fails |
| 12:20.08 | Scelt | Scelt: what? where? when? |
| 12:20.14 | Scelt | hubz |
| 12:20.17 | Scelt | frals: what? where? when? |
| 12:20.34 | frals | ops sorry, wrong nick completion :D |
| 12:20.45 | frals | Surfa: what does the log say? |
| 12:20.50 | frals | Surfa: it's a catch-all error handler when sending fails |
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| 12:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | Veggen: no, but it surely is a highly needed app |
| 12:21.10 | X-Fade | achipa: I think I have found the issue. |
| 12:21.38 | PerfDave | Veggen: That seems like an easy hack. Input co-ordinates of bus stops, use GPS to track whether you're moving towards it, and whehter you've just got within 500m. |
| 12:21.52 | achipa | X-Fade: tell me doctor, what are it's chances ? |
| 12:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:22.18 | Veggen | DocScrutinizer: I have numerous times woke up 20 meters beyond my bus stop on my way home. Which is, sort of, a disaster, because I then enter a tunnel and end up at bus-distance instead of walking-distance from home. *grmf* |
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| 12:22.32 | X-Fade | achipa: Marius seems to have hacked dpkg-buildpackage in the debian-etch devkit to run optify. |
| 12:22.46 | X-Fade | achipa: Which is obviously not in the squeeze devkit. |
| 12:23.14 | X-Fade | achipa: So I'll try to extract the dpkg-buildpackage changes from etch and put them in the squeeze one. |
| 12:23.15 | achipa | aha... had this hunch the devkit change might be involved somehow |
| 12:23.48 | achipa | X-Fade: will we need a rebuild of select packages ? or ? |
| 12:24.01 | X-Fade | achipa: Annoyed :) |
| 12:24.07 | achipa | :) |
| 12:24.09 | Scelt | frals: :] |
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| 12:25.30 | achipa | X-Fade: can you scan quickly how many packages are affected ? (I guess every package that used debian/optify and has been uploaded after the change) |
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| 12:25.48 | X-Fade | achipa: No not easily. |
| 12:26.01 | X-Fade | Anyway, will cost yet another work day. |
| 12:26.03 | Surfa | frals, i didn't check the logfile yet (as i couldn't quickly enough find it) but it was somehow related that fmms wasn't able to open connection in rude mode once earlier enabled wlan connection didn't get up after first sending |
| 12:26.06 | achipa | drats... |
| 12:26.19 | Surfa | frals, after reconnecting wlan manually it works again |
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| 12:26.38 | Surfa | frals, ..and i can't get it reproduced anymore.. :) |
| 12:27.00 | frals | Surfa: unless you rebooted device or sent/recv quite a few messages the error should still be in the log at /tmp/fmms.log :) |
| 12:27.10 | Surfa | ok, let me check it |
| 12:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: any chances tmo will recover soonish? |
| 12:28.10 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Ask reggie |
| 12:28.11 | achipa | X-Fade: when exactly did the squeeze devkit start ? |
| 12:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: how? |
| 12:28.48 | X-Fade | achipa: Around April 16th or so? |
| 12:28.50 | Surfa | frals, any catch to look for in the logfile? |
| 12:28.56 | frals | uh, which section should i specify if i dont want my app to be visible in HAM? |
| 12:29.01 | frals | Surfa: err, sec |
| 12:29.11 | achipa | X-Fade: and if I give you a list of packages, can you feed them quickly through the autobuilder ? I think I can filter the affected packages quickly via appwatch |
| 12:29.13 | Stskeeps | frals: if going by how stupid ovi store does it, user/hidden |
| 12:29.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:29.18 | frals | should say "Failed to send message." somewhere |
| 12:29.29 | achipa | X-Fade: (quickly=without wasting a day on it) |
| 12:29.35 | X-Fade | achipa: It is not that, replacing is a pain in debian repos. |
| 12:29.40 | X-Fade | achipa: Basically not supported. |
| 12:29.52 | frals | Stskeeps: >_< |
| 12:30.05 | achipa | X-Fade: I see... okay, so I come up with a list and send a notify to affected package maintainers ? |
| 12:30.18 | X-Fade | Let me see if I can fix it first. |
| 12:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | hah, IT'S FIXED :-D |
| 12:30.26 | achipa | X-Fade: ok |
| 12:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | (tmo that is) |
| 12:30.52 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: the world is back to normal ! :D |
| 12:31.08 | Termana | Since when was tmo NORMAL? :P |
| 12:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 12:32.41 | Surfa | frals, last failure that popped to me was "IAP doesn't exist anymore" which sound related.. |
| 12:33.05 | frals | Surfa: could you mail me the log to fmms@frals.se so i can take a look? |
| 12:33.17 | Surfa | of course |
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| 12:35.26 | X-Fade | Oh crap. |
| 12:35.54 | X-Fade | dpkg-buildpackage was a shell script in debian-etch and is a perl script in debian-squeeze. |
| 12:36.02 | Stskeeps | lovely |
| 12:36.17 | Termana | X-Fade, and you removed perl? :P |
| 12:36.18 | X-Fade | not really :) |
| 12:36.19 | frals | sounds like someone got a fun evening coming up |
| 12:36.47 | X-Fade | Now i need to awake my rusty perl skills, ugh. |
| 12:37.26 | achipa | call upon Jeremiah, he's the perl monk in the team, right ? :) |
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| 12:37.55 | Scelt | regexp! |
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| 12:51.17 | X-Fade | achipa: Are you able to submit a test app? |
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| 12:54.36 | achipa | X-Fade: sure am, just a sec... |
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| 12:54.44 | d14 | o/ |
| 12:54.56 | X-Fade | achipa: I hope my foo was good enough ;) |
| 12:55.22 | achipa | hang on, just to wait for my EC2 noe to boot up |
| 12:55.27 | achipa | s/noe/node/ |
| 12:56.03 | mece | err.. architecture.. is it any or all? |
| 12:56.16 | X-Fade | mece: depends on what you want. |
| 12:56.31 | X-Fade | mece: if it is a script, like python, then all. |
| 12:56.35 | mece | ok good. |
| 12:56.42 | X-Fade | If you want to build it for every arch, then any. |
| 12:57.01 | X-Fade | But that is for real binaries. |
| 12:58.59 | X-Fade | achipa: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/vertsms_0.1-1/i386.build.log.OK.txt |
| 12:59.04 | Khertan | be carreful of any and all ... as if you are using the dh_supportpython wich do a bitecode compilation you ll got some problem if python aren't the same on all arch |
| 12:59.07 | X-Fade | achipa: Seems to be called tere again. |
| 12:59.24 | X-Fade | *there |
| 12:59.40 | Khertan | the same / the same version |
| 13:00.09 | achipa | X-Fade: aye. EC2 is acting up, so it will be a couple more minutes until I submit abiword et al |
| 13:03.44 | MohammadAG | Facebook widget updated, hints at something imo |
| 13:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | is it normal to have >350 pics loaded on a tmo-thread page, or is there something fishy with somehow recursively opening a subframe that points back to an upper frame, while loading the last few pictures? |
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| 13:04.49 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, try reloading the page |
| 13:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | anyway tmo is thoroughly borked since at least 18h |
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| 13:05.15 | jacekowski | 1800 GMT? |
| 13:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: each time I do (and sometimes I have to do often as it stalls eventually), I get even more pictures loaded and then it stalls again on the allegedly last 1..3 |
| 13:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: since eighteen hours != since 18:00 GMT |
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| 13:07.06 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, Maybe you have very "special" css? |
| 13:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | no, for sure not |
| 13:07.28 | Dima_Sharihin | jacekowski, 1800 - GMT+5 ? |
| 13:08.53 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, I have not touched a n900 =) |
| 13:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: huh? so what? |
| 13:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | this isn't N900 related |
| 13:09.44 | Dima_Sharihin | really? |
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| 13:14.12 | Khertan | jacekowski, 18th day of the year :) |
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| 13:22.49 | achipa | X-Fade: sending the packages, but drop.maemo.org is s-l-o-w... doing just about 15K/s |
| 13:23.07 | X-Fade | achipa: Weird. |
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| 13:23.44 | achipa | I'm uploading from EC2, so it's as fat a pipe on my side as it gets |
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| 13:25.09 | jacekowski | achipa: well, i was uploading from my server in france |
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| 13:25.18 | jacekowski | achipa: and i had no problems sending full 100Mbits |
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| 13:26.21 | achipa | jacekowski: it's the same speed from my home ADSL and EC2, so it seems like being bw-limited somewhere |
| 13:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | tmo is laggy like geotectonics, so if drop.maemo.org is same server domain... |
| 13:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | or on same backbone, or whatever |
| 13:28.37 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Not even the same continent. |
| 13:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | XD |
| 13:28.54 | mgedmin | so it must be volcanic ash that's interfering with internet connectivity? |
| 13:29.11 | auenf | theres still a chance that my PR1.2 pre-installed device comes before the upgrade is released? |
| 13:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | bad internet weather |
| 13:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | auenf: you bought in HK? |
| 13:29.46 | auenf | nope |
| 13:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | so why you'd assume it comes with 1.2 preinstalled? |
| 13:30.46 | auenf | cause of bug 7054 |
| 13:30.47 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7054 Cannot set "Regional Settings" to "English (Australia)" or "English (New Zealand)" |
| 13:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | mmpf |
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| 13:32.52 | X-Fade | achipa: Sorry, was just changing something :( |
| 13:33.10 | achipa | X-Fade: do you need me to re-upload ? |
| 13:33.41 | X-Fade | I can resubmit. |
| 13:34.29 | pupnik | if i ever go to greece, i am STEALING whatever i can |
| 13:35.31 | X-Fade | I know I don't have to pay for a meal in the greek restaurant anymore ;) |
| 13:37.00 | tybollt | and here I thought Italy was the moraly corrupt country... apparently 1/3 of the entire greek economy is black labour :):) |
| 13:37.47 | X-Fade | achipa: Crap, missing semi colon ;) |
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| 13:38.55 | achipa | tybollt: 1/3 ? You optimist ! |
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| 13:39.13 | X-Fade | achipa: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/gsfonts_8.11+urwcyr1.0.7~pre43-1-maemo1/i386.build.log.OK.txt |
| 13:39.21 | frals | bah, paint on my ctrl/sym key has started to come off :(( |
| 13:39.34 | achipa | X-Fade: \o/ |
| 13:39.35 | X-Fade | achipa: Seems to have done it. |
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| 13:40.37 | achipa | X-Fade: resumbitted abiword, too |
| 13:41.06 | barisione | andre__: does 6859 happen on pr1.1 or what to you using icq? |
| 13:41.09 | achipa | btw speed just returned to normal, this upload went through with 20+Mb/s |
| 13:41.38 | andre__ | barisione, had that on a recent pr1.2 build |
| 13:42.13 | barisione | andre__: I think that the underlying issue for the ICQ case and the jabber case could be different |
| 13:42.22 | andre__ | I think the same |
| 13:42.23 | barisione | I will test later (or tomorrow?) |
| 13:42.26 | tybollt | frals: If you're shoping for spares - let me know (I need a new screen :-| ) |
| 13:42.32 | andre__ | barisione, cool. very welcome |
| 13:42.50 | frals | tybollt: >_< |
| 13:43.41 | X-Fade | achipa: Here is the ugly dpkg-buildpackage patch: http://maemo.pastebin.com/c2SZSBp2 |
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| 13:46.02 | achipa | X-Fade: you call that ugly ? You have clearly not seen enough perl code XD |
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| 13:50.24 | MohammadAG_ | tmo down? |
| 13:50.30 | mece | http://www.wolfire.com/humble |
| 13:50.36 | mece | MohammadAG, as usual... |
| 13:50.47 | MohammadAG_ | nvm, it's down |
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| 13:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | frals: (paint) WTF? :-0 |
| 13:55.02 | frals | err, paint/plastic/whatever is on they keys :P |
| 13:55.12 | frals | s/they/the/ |
| 13:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, nasty |
| 13:55.46 | frals | yes :) |
| 13:55.48 | frals | :(* |
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| 13:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | frals: is that the black parts coming off, the white, or just the blue? |
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| 13:56.19 | frals | the black came off in a dot in the middle |
| 13:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-(( |
| 13:56.31 | frals | gonna take a picture in a minute once i fixed this bug |
| 13:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | anyway opens an opportunity to relabel kbd for e.g hebrew etc |
| 13:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 13:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | hot fix: black edding, then seal with a scotchtape patch |
| 13:59.19 | tybollt | "edding"? |
| 13:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | paintmarker |
| 13:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | no idea what's uded outside EU |
| 13:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | used even |
| 14:00.03 | frals | http://irc.frals.se/bah.jpg |
| 14:00.44 | tybollt | frals: ouch |
| 14:00.48 | tybollt | how'd that happen? |
| 14:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.edding.com/de/produkte/uebersicht.html |
| 14:01.06 | frals | tybollt: no idea... using the keyboard? :\ |
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| 14:01.28 | tybollt | the keyboard coating comes off after less than half a year of wear n tear? |
| 14:01.45 | tybollt | that's incredibly poor quality :( |
| 14:02.52 | frals | ~nuke talk.maemo.org |
| 14:02.53 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at talk.maemo.org ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 14:03.45 | tybollt | frals: if you go on TMO... I mean... you know what you gonna get - why do you go there? ;) |
| 14:03.48 | Dima_Sharihin | not sure, that infobot is bot =) |
| 14:04.08 | frals | tybollt: im clicking links :( |
| 14:04.33 | alterego | frals: was that inflicted damage by some object or wear-and-tear? |
| 14:04.51 | frals | alterego: wear and tear afaik, not used any object on my keyboard |
| 14:04.57 | frals | i just noticed it so not sure when it happend |
| 14:05.17 | alterego | frals: I would have thought it would have been pretty obvious, so it must have been recent :( |
| 14:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | frals: compare http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10004 |
| 14:05.39 | alterego | I dropped mine at the train station, has a nice graze on the top-left corner. |
| 14:05.41 | frals | yeah its really obvious so cant have had it for long |
| 14:05.45 | alterego | Though, it kind of makes it look more rugged ;) |
| 14:06.08 | frals | DocScrutinizer: hehe |
| 14:06.26 | alterego | It looks suspiciously like it's from the slide though :( |
| 14:06.27 | kamui | whats up with the Ogles dep in pr 1.2 |
| 14:06.28 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, how old this keyboard? |
| 14:06.33 | kamui | anyone fixed that yet |
| 14:06.41 | kamui | I really want descent :-D |
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| 14:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | heavy use for ~one year |
| 14:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | when that pic was taken |
| 14:07.06 | alterego | kamui: PR1.2 isn't out yet, how do you know there's an issue with ogles dep? |
| 14:07.33 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: my N810 has comparable wear :) |
| 14:07.40 | alterego | You should see my laptop keyboard .. |
| 14:08.03 | X-Fade | Yes, there is an ogles dep issue. Will be fixed once PR1.2 is released as it lives in the nokia-apps repo. |
| 14:08.18 | range | There are only two Lapdogs where I haven't worn out the "n" key from reading usenet and mails: My T40 and my MacBook. :) |
| 14:08.20 | X-Fade | And that repo will be updated at the same time as the release of course. |
| 14:08.35 | range | And with the MacBook it is beginning. |
| 14:08.52 | kamui | X-Fade, so Im just SOL on ogles depending games for the time being? |
| 14:08.58 | Dima_Sharihin | alterego, we don't want to see nightmares =) |
| 14:09.00 | kamui | I have a lot of trouble with packaging |
| 14:09.09 | kamui | so there isn't shit I can do to fill the dep |
| 14:09.11 | X-Fade | kamui: I have had that issue for months now ;) |
| 14:09.16 | kamui | lol |
| 14:09.28 | kamui | I just got that issue, and its ironic, as I JUST decided to try the opengl descent port |
| 14:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | frals: anyway, replacing the keycaps mat is rather easy |
| 14:09.39 | kamui | after months of having but no playing other opengles games |
| 14:09.44 | kamui | not |
| 14:10.03 | kamui | oh well, I can wait, 1.2 is pretty damn suite otherwise. Much much faster than 1.1.1 was for me |
| 14:10.46 | alterego | The most worn on mine is the 's' key |
| 14:11.00 | alterego | Which stands to reason as it is the most common letter in the English language :) |
| 14:11.00 | E0x | i dont see the big deals with 1.2 , almost all thing that 1.1 have wrong the comunity have a workaround |
| 14:11.02 | alterego | Apparently. |
| 14:11.03 | E0x | to it |
| 14:11.27 | Dima_Sharihin | alterego, in russian "Ы"(S in qwerty) too =)))) |
| 14:11.54 | alterego | E0x: the big deal about PR1.2 is Qt 4.6, out-of-the-box. But no, I don't understand the histeria people are having about it. It's rather non-sensical. |
| 14:11.59 | kamui | E0x, certainly don't see that as a good or bad thing |
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| 14:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: mine as well only seen english input all the time... still 'e' is most worn |
| 14:12.15 | kamui | but having a workaround for a busted car doesn't make having a properly working car any less exciting |
| 14:12.18 | alterego | Especially as the big things that people want, portrait mode, will not arrive with PR1.2, it's not the second coming of Jesus ffs. |
| 14:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: plus space and enter |
| 14:12.52 | alterego | My alt key is more warn than my enter key ;) |
| 14:12.54 | E0x | alterego: hehe exaclty |
| 14:12.57 | E0x | exactly* |
| 14:13.39 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, Shift! but not Caps Lock =) |
| 14:13.46 | alterego | I think a lot of people expect more from PR1.2 in the way of it being a sign that Nokia aren't dropping the N900 already. |
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| 14:14.00 | alterego | Which I wouldn't even care about. The N900, right now, is amazing. |
| 14:14.10 | E0x | true |
| 14:14.27 | E0x | just need more dev for do more "cool" things |
| 14:14.51 | E0x | but for me is already fine |
| 14:15.36 | alterego | I have more issue with the bugs on my ubuntu 9.10 system than on my maemo 1.1.1 system :) |
| 14:15.47 | alterego | I just want Qt 4.6! :D |
| 14:15.48 | E0x | heh |
| 14:16.01 | E0x | i am waiting for the qt thing too |
| 14:16.11 | E0x | i will try do my first app in qt/python |
| 14:16.18 | alterego | I'm gonna manually install Qt tonight anyway from the devel repo. |
| 14:16.38 | alterego | As now I'm at the stage when Ireally need to work on the N900 interface code of my application. |
| 14:16.44 | alterego | As all the back end stuff is pretty much complete. |
| 14:16.53 | E0x | i want do a offline buxfer app that can sync with your account when is online |
| 14:17.21 | E0x | for save money of my 3g data plan |
| 14:17.22 | E0x | :D |
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| 14:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (scary FPC B2Bconnector on N900) see there: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00342_jpg.jpeg.html ff - no issue back when |
| 14:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | probably I really got a lemmon that just incidentally failed when I disassembled it |
| 14:19.06 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, is it LVDS connector from notebooks? |
| 14:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | that's N810 |
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| 14:20.20 | Dima_Sharihin | Oh, right. Sorry =) |
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| 14:20.32 | X-Fade | achipa: I don't see abiword, did you submit it yet? |
| 14:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | probably you'd like that link better http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ |
| 14:20.42 | achipa | X-Fade: yep... |
| 14:20.54 | fabinader | Does anybody knows how to open two instances of X Terminal on N900? |
| 14:20.58 | achipa | a good while ago... |
| 14:21.08 | fabinader | It seems N900 disables me doing that... |
| 14:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | fabinader: menu of xtern ->new |
| 14:21.17 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: is the ovi photo sharing service good? |
| 14:21.19 | fabinader | Ops :p |
| 14:21.24 | alterego | At the moment I use facebook ... |
| 14:21.24 | fabinader | Thanks! |
| 14:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: PITA |
| 14:21.50 | X-Fade | achipa: Tarball size doesn't match .dsc |
| 14:21.51 | achipa | X-Fade: no mail from the autobuilder yet, though |
| 14:21.57 | achipa | ahem... |
| 14:22.06 | alterego | I'd like one that I can upload things to and share them with friends privately, or make them publically available. |
| 14:22.09 | achipa | X-Fade: 2maemo2 ? |
| 14:22.17 | X-Fade | achipa: 8758975 vs 8522748 |
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| 14:23.32 | Mece | hey-oo |
| 14:23.37 | lcuk | alterego, privacy on the internet? |
| 14:23.51 | alterego | lcuk: is it that ridiculous? :D |
| 14:23.51 | X-Fade | achipa: ah no, missing abiword_2.8.1-2maemo2.dsc |
| 14:23.53 | achipa | X-Fade: duh, wrong dsc file |
| 14:24.00 | lcuk | alterego, sure it is |
| 14:24.11 | achipa | X-Fade: yep, resubmitted |
| 14:24.19 | X-Fade | achipa: Ok, that will help ;) |
| 14:24.21 | alterego | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=12469954&id=564880600 |
| 14:24.32 | alterego | Sorry, wrong channel :P |
| 14:25.19 | Dima_Sharihin | hm, facebook... =) |
| 14:25.41 | fragment | alterego: have you tried flickr? |
| 14:26.02 | Dima_Sharihin | alterego, or google picasa |
| 14:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: ovi supports that |
| 14:26.30 | alterego | I'm kind of against google services at the moment ;) |
| 14:26.33 | tybollt | am I the only nerd that did not get FACEPALMbook? |
| 14:27.29 | Dima_Sharihin | tybollt, no, i'm not registered on facebook too =) |
| 14:27.55 | BCMM | i hate facebook :( |
| 14:28.11 | Dima_Sharihin | lol =) i'm using vk.com =((( |
| 14:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: you can have several albums and set visibility/perms for each of them. And you can select which album to upload pictures to from N900 |
| 14:28.21 | BCMM | sadly, i know people that organise things that are fun, who can't seem to understand email |
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| 14:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | still it's a pita as creating a *new* album need 30min twiddling via html |
| 14:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | once that's accomplished, you can upload photos directly, via share button in cam-app / image viewer |
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| 14:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | then you only need to find out about the correct URL to share the album :-P |
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| 14:32.53 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, how fast your internet connection? can Ñou upload photos direct from camera for a few seconds? |
| 14:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:33.44 | Dima_Sharihin | crying. 384kbps ADSL is slow...very slow |
| 14:34.31 | alterego | The facebook share service plugin is pretty good. |
| 14:34.46 | alterego | Though you can't create new categories using the share service plugins which is a pain. |
| 14:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | Dima_Sharihin: see http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.public |
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| 14:37.42 | Dima_Sharihin | DocScrutinizer, it's your webcam? |
| 14:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | you're kidding? my N900 : http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10014 |
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| 14:39.43 | Dima_Sharihin | =] huh... Where I can get 1000$ to buy N900 too? :D |
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| 14:40.40 | tybollt | nice little dance there timeless_mbp... |
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| 14:46.39 | timeless_mbp | tybollt: dance which way? |
| 14:47.23 | tybollt | join quit join :) |
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| 14:49.10 | Mece | do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! |
| 14:49.46 | MohammadAG__ | TypeError: parent should be a GtkWindow or None <--- grr |
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| 14:51.37 | Mece | what's with the joining spree? |
| 14:52.01 | nid0 | netsplits happen |
| 14:52.05 | Arkenoi | netsplit |
| 14:52.28 | d14 | christmas \o/ |
| 14:52.36 | frals | ~bomb talk.maemo.org |
| 14:52.37 | infobot | ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on talk.maemo.org |
| 14:52.46 | frals | fuckin hell its slow |
| 14:52.50 | d14 | :)) |
| 14:52.54 | X-Fade | achipa: abiword: optified 112 entries, saving about 12942 kB. |
| 14:53.12 | achipa | X-Fade: yeah, seen it, seems to work ! |
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| 14:53.43 | X-Fade | achipa: ok, so now what to do :) |
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| 14:54.50 | achipa | X-Fade: sooo... how's that next-gen package promotion/demotion/removal interface going ? :) |
| 14:55.27 | X-Fade | achipa: Things like this kill progress. |
| 14:56.15 | achipa | X-Fade: I know :( |
| 14:57.19 | achipa | X-Fade: BTW Do you want to post a note to maemo-dev about this being fixed or should I do it ? |
| 14:57.47 | achipa | X-Fade: so we avoid people inadvertently promoting unoptified packages to testing... |
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| 14:58.23 | n900-dk | frals: wee, we got 'reply via SMS' now - thumbs up! :) |
| 15:00.29 | dymaxion | hey there... is there anyway to use my N900 as a bluetooth headset/mic my laptop mic doesn't work with Fedora, and I left my normal bluetooth headset back home (away for 2 weeks) |
| 15:01.39 | dymaxion | this is the closest I found on the forums but no solution http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=618482 |
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| 15:03.10 | BCMM | attache an FM radio to your laptop's line in |
| 15:03.13 | BCMM | ducks |
| 15:03.23 | BCMM | ^attach |
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| 15:04.13 | SpeedEvil | can someone paste the output of grep -r dsme.*mce /etc/event.d/mce |
| 15:04.14 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 15:04.37 | SpeedEvil | I think I may have screwed with mine - and I want to edit the wiki based on reality. |
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| 15:05.37 | markinfo | i am new to nokia n810. Where are files that are shown in File Manager - Audio Clips, Documents etc. they are not at /home/user. |
| 15:05.38 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/0jVjmjFi |
| 15:05.51 | BCMM | markinfo: /home/user/MyDocs |
| 15:06.06 | BCMM | but the directories have different names from the ones shown |
| 15:06.25 | BCMM | like .sounds for Audio |
| 15:06.31 | BCMM | ^Audio Clips rather |
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| 15:07.11 | markinfo | hm - these are hidden directories - like .documents - why? |
| 15:09.11 | BCMM_ | i have no idea, actually |
| 15:09.20 | markinfo | I have flashed last os2008 to n810 - but there is in Application only few programms - Do i need some repositories? For example there is no Pidgin. |
| 15:09.37 | markinfo | to add some repositories |
| 15:10.02 | SpeedEvil | BCMM_: thanks |
| 15:10.18 | BCMM_ | windows bloody xp... |
| 15:12.56 | markinfo | how can be decompressed zip file? There is no unzip. |
| 15:13.32 | BCMM_ | "not charging. insufficient power" |
| 15:13.33 | BCMM_ | works fine on same usb port of same computer when running linux |
| 15:13.50 | BCMM_ | you can install unzip |
| 15:14.00 | nid0 | get the nokia connectivity driver installed |
| 15:14.18 | BCMM_ | well, you can on n900 and i guess they work the same |
| 15:14.42 | BCMM_ | nid0 or just MSC mode |
| 15:14.52 | nid0 | one or the other |
| 15:15.19 | markinfo | How can be installed e.g this : http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/unzip/ it is not able to find it from "Application Manager" |
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| 15:16.44 | markinfo | maybe just oer browser i will try it. |
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| 15:18.57 | BCMM_ | markinfo: it is in extras-devel |
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| 15:19.55 | markinfo | BCMM_, is it necessary to add repositories? |
| 15:20.46 | markinfo | "extras-devel" - in application Manager? nothing like this here. |
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| 15:23.32 | markinfo | ech - I tried it from web - an it says "Catalogue already installed but disabled. Enable Now? maemo extras" |
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| 15:26.21 | markinfo | now i Have many Programs for choose. |
| 15:26.55 | RST38h | mo. |
| 15:26.59 | RST38h | moo.. |
| 15:27.17 | Shapeshifter | markinfo: unzip is not listed in ham. just do apt-get install unzip as root to install it |
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| 15:27.58 | cowbot | anybody have a mlocate/slocate built for n900? |
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| 15:29.09 | Shapeshifter | cowbot: afaik youd need to rebuild the kernel for those |
| 15:29.50 | markinfo | Shapeshifter, "su" applet requires root privileges, "sudo apt-get" ask for password. What is the password? |
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| 15:30.06 | cowbot | Shapeshifter: can you give me a hint why? |
| 15:30.45 | Dima_Sharihin | markinfo, password of sudoer |
| 15:30.52 | Shapeshifter | markinfo: install rootsh, use sudo gainroot to gain root, then continue as above |
| 15:31.00 | Dima_Sharihin | by the default, it is you =) |
| 15:31.32 | Shapeshifter | cowbot: mlocate, iirc, uses a kernel module to monitor file changes or something |
| 15:33.07 | sECuRE | Shapeshifter: no |
| 15:33.17 | sECuRE | Shapeshifter: mlocate uses the mtime of folders to determine what needs to be scanned |
| 15:33.26 | sECuRE | which makes it skip large parts of your filesystem tree |
| 15:34.04 | Shapeshifter | then it was slocate |
| 15:34.31 | sECuRE | no, i donât think so either |
| 15:34.42 | sECuRE | slocate also seems to be deprecated |
| 15:34.47 | sECuRE | canât find it in debian >= etch |
| 15:36.48 | luke-jr | sECuRE: slocate is deprecated by what? |
| 15:37.50 | sECuRE | luke-jr: mlocate |
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| 15:42.07 | markinfo | I am trying to connect to the Wlan with WPA2 - EAP type:TTLS, EAP MSCHAPv2. Authentizations fails always. Could it be caused due to missing certificate? There is option "Select Certificate" but inside is "None" an there is nothing more to choose. |
| 15:42.38 | markinfo | nokia n810, os2008 |
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| 15:46.38 | Treibholz | Khertan: mtodos depends on python-sqlite, is that really necessary? Do you really use sqlite2? |
| 15:47.05 | Khertan | depends ... |
| 15:47.08 | Khertan | which version ? |
| 15:47.16 | Treibholz | Khertan: Version: 0.2.2-1 |
| 15:47.23 | Khertan | hum ... diablo |
| 15:47.34 | Khertan | so yes |
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| 15:47.40 | Khertan | why ? |
| 15:47.44 | Treibholz | pool/fremantle/free/m/mtodos/mtodos_0.2.2-1_armel.deb |
| 15:47.48 | Treibholz | fremantle... |
| 15:48.48 | Khertan | hum ... from what i remember the fremantle version didn't use sqlite |
| 15:49.38 | Treibholz | Khertan: http://paste.debian.net/72153/ |
| 15:50.25 | Khertan | Treibholz, yep surely a mistake |
| 15:50.39 | frals | hmm |
| 15:50.42 | Khertan | let me look at the source :) |
| 15:50.47 | frals | 11 thumbs up... 9 days left on quarantine :( |
| 15:51.04 | Khertan | haha* |
| 15:51.06 | Treibholz | frals: ? |
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| 15:51.14 | frals | extras QA |
| 15:52.07 | Khertan | Treibholz, it s a mistake ... mtodos 0.2.2 didn't use sqlite |
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| 15:54.11 | mtnbkr | frals: Hi frals... I just installed the fMMS and when attempting to send an image, after "resizing" I get an error "Sending Failed: General error, please contact the author" where do I begin troubleshooting to get you some useful info to go on ? |
| 15:54.45 | frals | mtnbkr: /tmp/fmms.log is the log, email it to me at fmms@frals.se or put it somewhere i can dl it :) |
| 15:56.15 | mtnbkr | frals: OK...Will do. Going through this right now to make sure I did things correctly: http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS |
| 15:56.17 | mtnbkr | thanks |
| 15:56.24 | Treibholz | hmm, how do I force apt to install it anyway? |
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| 15:58.42 | Dima_Sharihin | Treibholz, --force-all ? |
| 16:00.05 | Treibholz | Dima_Sharihin: then I have to download the deb manually... |
| 16:00.07 | Treibholz | well... |
| 16:01.21 | phellarv | Dima_Sharihin: That's not very smart |
| 16:01.37 | Dima_Sharihin | phellarv, but how do it other way? |
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| 16:01.48 | phellarv | Dima_Sharihin: Don't |
| 16:01.53 | phellarv | Do it |
| 16:02.23 | Dima_Sharihin | yes, of course =) |
| 16:02.29 | Khertan | Treibholz, it s a soft available in extras devel |
| 16:02.32 | Khertan | it s not finished |
| 16:02.43 | Khertan | and currently not in active developpment |
| 16:02.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:02.52 | achipa | is it just me or is this Atom Z6xx announcement ridiculous ? |
| 16:03.06 | Khertan | achipa, a new atom ? |
| 16:03.28 | achipa | Khertan: yeah, Moorestown |
| 16:03.40 | ccooke | achipa: How so? (not seen the announcement itself, yet) |
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| 16:04.20 | achipa | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/05/intel-z6xx-brief-2010-05-0411-18-54-rm-eng.jpg |
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| 16:04.33 | achipa | this is like the washing poweder commercials on TV |
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| 16:05.26 | achipa | the 'other' or 'conventional' washing powder always sucks |
| 16:05.49 | achipa | but they never say which one exactly is that |
| 16:06.06 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:06.06 | SpeedEvil | also - the unlabelled axes |
| 16:06.20 | Khertan | drain 10x less battery than atom |
| 16:06.27 | Khertan | yep ... but which atom :) |
| 16:06.30 | Khertan | the first one :) |
| 16:06.33 | Khertan | a 2ghz |
| 16:06.33 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:06.42 | SpeedEvil | It would have been moderately simple to - for example - pick platforms with poor JIT implemenations |
| 16:06.56 | achipa | also, says 5 hours of browsing time... but at what battery capacity, screen size ? |
| 16:07.06 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 16:07.07 | Khertan | comparing webkit and ie :) |
| 16:07.08 | Khertan | lol |
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| 16:07.22 | achipa | I mean, my desktop can browse for 5 hours on batteries... if they're big enough |
| 16:07.42 | Khertan | mine can do it during 6 hours |
| 16:07.44 | SpeedEvil | I can browse for 5 hours on the n900 right now |
| 16:07.45 | Khertan | using wifi |
| 16:07.49 | SpeedEvil | maybe more like 10 |
| 16:07.58 | SpeedEvil | admittedly - using lynx, with the screen almost off |
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| 16:08.03 | Khertan | and i think i can more ... but never try :) |
| 16:08.24 | Khertan | and it s a samsung n130 with ubuntu using firefox without flash |
| 16:08.33 | Khertan | so a small atom :) |
| 16:09.11 | Treibholz | Khertan: I was just looking for a todo-list and found your name there :-) |
| 16:09.19 | Khertan | héhé |
| 16:09.28 | Khertan | anyway it ll works |
| 16:09.32 | Khertan | just the search |
| 16:09.39 | Khertan | didn't work |
| 16:09.46 | achipa | plus, they conveniently treat MeeGo as a Moblin variant |
| 16:09.47 | Khertan | and the sync not ready yet |
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| 16:10.00 | markinfo | what is with Mer Project? is it worth to test it on n810? Or it will be replaced with Meego? |
| 16:10.02 | Khertan | achipa, this is what meego is |
| 16:10.34 | Treibholz | Khertan: I didn't expect a sync :-) |
| 16:10.34 | Khertan | Treibholz, i think you download the deb and do dpkg -i on it |
| 16:10.44 | Khertan | Treibholz, i think you can download the deb and do dpkg -i on it |
| 16:10.54 | Treibholz | Khertan: yes, I just did |
| 16:10.57 | frals | w t f |
| 16:11.03 | Khertan | but at the time i ve uploaded it ... the python-sqlite was available |
| 16:11.06 | frals | so when im logged in and browse http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ |
| 16:11.07 | achipa | Khertan: what is surprising how quickly the Maemo brand was ditched, and yet here we are, Intel still calling stuff Moblin |
| 16:11.21 | frals | i dont see "package imported", however if i logout i see it |
| 16:11.45 | Khertan | frals, haha yes ... it s full of bugs |
| 16:12.00 | frals | logging in again i see latest action "Build succeeded" |
| 16:12.01 | microlith | boggles as his 2.5G connection musters up 14K/s |
| 16:12.09 | frals | ~curse maemo.org/packages |
| 16:12.10 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org/packages ! |
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| 16:12.51 | ioan | hi |
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| 16:16.01 | Treibholz | damn, I could need cron.... |
| 16:16.10 | achipa | wow. cool. You go on talking how you are cooler than ARM as you can decode 30fps 1080p... but in the end it turns out your video card only output 1366x768 |
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| 16:17.40 | achipa | max camera limit = 5 mpix, cool, that one's obsolete right out the door... |
| 16:17.44 | Treibholz | achipa: http://xkcd.com/732/ |
| 16:18.24 | Treibholz | would have bought his n900 without camera, if possible (and smaller) |
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| 16:18.35 | kamui | wants a bigger screened n900 |
| 16:18.45 | kamui | can't fathom why this wasn't a 4.5" device |
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| 16:18.59 | PerfDave | kamui: Like an iPad with a real OS? |
| 16:19.06 | nid0 | because then it'd be a brick that would snap people's legs off |
| 16:19.12 | Treibholz | well, the n900 is an expensive beta test... |
| 16:19.13 | achipa | PerfDave: 4.5" iPad ? |
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| 16:20.35 | achipa | okay, so this Moorestown thing is a disaster... the only ones who will be hapy with this is the UMPC crowd... all others, wait for Medfield |
| 16:21.01 | tripzero | achipa ? |
| 16:21.03 | hume | hi...I'm having problems with syncing my N900 with Google cal - it used to work but does not any more. Anyone around that can give advice on what to check or try? |
| 16:21.06 | Treibholz | why would anyone want an x86-CPU? |
| 16:21.17 | achipa | Treibholz: that's what I said, too |
| 16:21.26 | PerfDave | Treibholz: Because most software is written for i386 or amd64 CPUs? |
| 16:21.33 | RST38h | Disaster? What disaster? |
| 16:21.34 | tripzero | cuz their fast? |
| 16:21.44 | Treibholz | PerfDave: just recompile it! |
| 16:21.46 | achipa | PerfDave: and you couldn't run that software on asuch a small screen anyway |
| 16:22.01 | SpeedEvil | x86 are not fast per watt |
| 16:22.08 | Treibholz | if it doesn't compile: fix the code. |
| 16:22.11 | PerfDave | Treibholz: Not all software is free, sadly ;) |
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| 16:22.53 | tripzero | x86 is getting there (performance/watt). |
| 16:23.08 | Treibholz | PerfDave: which non-free software would you like? |
| 16:23.12 | evilrob | so has anyone found a time-based or location based profile manager for maemo? |
| 16:23.20 | evilrob | I'm contemplating putting one together |
| 16:23.51 | PerfDave | Treibholz: Personally? Not much. For mobile computing devices like the N900, getting Flash seems like big argument in favour of going x86 for a manufacturer. |
| 16:24.17 | Treibholz | PerfDave: a) flash is a disease b) there is flash on the n900... |
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| 16:24.44 | achipa | tripzero: where ? this just-announced SoC is already inferior power-wise to almost any high-end next-gen ARM SoCs which are not announced, but almost shipping |
| 16:24.46 | PerfDave | Treibholz: I'll agree with (a), didn't know about (b) - I thought Adobe only made it for i386 and amd64. |
| 16:24.51 | SpeedEvil | At best a mobile CPU will be a tenth of the speed of a desktop CPU |
| 16:24.57 | Dima_Sharihin | Treibholz, c) There is a pair of white LEDs. Nothing more ;) |
| 16:25.08 | SpeedEvil | This makes flash rather slower than you might see on the desktop |
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| 16:25.17 | wall[e] | mypaint http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/S-Gaol2BX4I/AAAAAAAAAfw/Iq7t4kvXQBM/s1600/30933_111253208916551_100000956174998_62894_7955100_n.jpg |
| 16:25.22 | wall[e] | (n900) |
| 16:25.26 | PerfDave | And given that Flash on the desktop is already dog-slow... ;) |
| 16:25.27 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not so |
| 16:25.32 | tripzero | that atom z5xx is 5w |
| 16:25.48 | tripzero | anyone know what the n900 tdp is? |
| 16:25.54 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I'm not talking about cock speed alone. But slower memory, lack of multicores, ... |
| 16:26.00 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: some of the Snapdragons are faster than my desktop speed |
| 16:26.08 | Treibholz | cock speed? |
| 16:26.10 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Ok. A modern desktop |
| 16:26.11 | luke-jr | 1. not all desktops have multicores |
| 16:26.11 | Treibholz | ECHAN! |
| 16:26.16 | SpeedEvil | clock peed. |
| 16:26.19 | Treibholz | :-) |
| 16:26.23 | luke-jr | 2. some embedded SoCs have multicores |
| 16:26.24 | SpeedEvil | clock speed |
| 16:26.39 | frals | mission karmawhore successful, 2:1 thanks:posts ratio \o/ |
| 16:26.49 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: By multicore, I mean in general - huge branch predictors, ... |
| 16:26.59 | evilrob | .leave #maemo |
| 16:27.01 | RST38h | tripzero: 3.5 hours at 1320mAh at 3.7V |
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| 16:27.03 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: massive l1/l2 caches, ... |
| 16:27.17 | RST38h | tripzero: that is TOP figure, mind you |
| 16:27.29 | tripzero | RST38h, need TDP |
| 16:27.42 | tripzero | i bet it's around 3-5W at full force |
| 16:27.45 | MohammadAG__ | removes his thanks from frals's posts |
| 16:27.51 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I bet the Snapdragon 8X72 line can outperform my desktop CPU |
| 16:27.51 | frals | slaps MohammadAG__ around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:28.00 | RST38h | tripzero: TDP is an Intel invention afaik |
| 16:28.07 | RST38h | Makes no sense for OMAP |
| 16:28.13 | tripzero | luke-jr, you must have a slow desktop |
| 16:28.16 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: sure it does. |
| 16:28.23 | luke-jr | tripzero: Athlon64 3200+ |
| 16:28.26 | luke-jr | works fine |
| 16:28.33 | ml-mobile | ooh, 5 years old |
| 16:28.34 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: You still need a thermal design power to design your heatsinking solution with |
| 16:28.36 | RST38h | well, can you run OMAP hard enough that it starts overheating? |
| 16:28.41 | luke-jr | system only gets slow when I swap like mad :) |
| 16:28.45 | tripzero | luke-jr, which snapdragon are you comparing it to? |
| 16:28.46 | Treibholz | flash is a pain on my netbook, too |
| 16:28.52 | ml-mobile | retired his A64 3200 a year ago |
| 16:28.56 | luke-jr | tripzero: 8X72 |
| 16:29.01 | luke-jr | tripzero: dual-core 1.5 GHz |
| 16:29.07 | Treibholz | youtube is impossible to watch in HTML4 |
| 16:29.22 | achipa | RST38h: TDP doesn't make sense for Intel chips either |
| 16:29.34 | tripzero | luke-jr, i'm willing to bet that while it may "feel" faster in some things, you'll find benchmarks showing otherwise |
| 16:29.54 | SpeedEvil | TDP - as a user-exposed measurement probably does not make sense |
| 16:29.56 | Arkenoi | seems that youtube assholes are degrading player performance every a few months |
| 16:30.10 | Arkenoi | don't know why the hell they do that |
| 16:30.10 | Treibholz | Arkenoi: use HTML5 |
| 16:30.10 | tripzero | how many watts does it consume. |
| 16:30.17 | luke-jr | tripzero: 2x 1.5 GHz ARM compared to 1x 2.2 GHz x86_64? |
| 16:30.29 | achipa | SpeedEvil: I mean, people use it compare CPU power draw - and it says nothing about that, really |
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| 16:30.36 | luke-jr | tripzero: why *wouldn't* the Snapdragon win? |
| 16:30.59 | tripzero | luke-jr, slower clock, not as many instructions, etc |
| 16:31.14 | ZogG | ahhh |
| 16:31.24 | luke-jr | tripzero: you're assuming a single thread |
| 16:31.29 | SpeedEvil | achipa: yes. I agree - as a user you shouldn't generally need to care about TDP - but some sort of application benchmark |
| 16:31.35 | Arkenoi | the first generation youtube player ran quite happily on 350MHz pIII |
| 16:31.43 | luke-jr | also, last I checked, 1 GHz *anything* was faster than 1 GHz x86 |
| 16:31.51 | tripzero | the actual frequency of cpu's means little |
| 16:31.58 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: memory and cache size is _IMORTANT_ |
| 16:32.07 | achipa | tripzero: are you aware that clock has no real connection to number of instructions, plus that ARM instructions are not the same as X86 instructions ? |
| 16:32.20 | Dima_Sharihin | SpeedEvil, also architecture is important too... x86 is a..... |
| 16:32.20 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: mobile CPUs typically have significantly constrained memory bus and tiny caches |
| 16:32.23 | tripzero | achipa, i think that's exactly what I'm saying |
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| 16:33.36 | PerfDave | You can find benchmarks to say just about anything you want to say ;) |
| 16:33.58 | tripzero | s/benchmarks/statistics |
| 16:34.05 | SpeedEvil | Dima_Sharihin: Sure. But x86 often have stupidly long predictors, which can mitigate that |
| 16:34.07 | tripzero | s/statistics/girls |
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| 16:38.08 | RST38h | achipa: TDP makes perfect sense for Intel chips |
| 16:38.18 | RST38h | achipa: Shows ou how far you can overclock them =) |
| 16:38.23 | RST38h | s/ou/you |
| 16:38.49 | tripzero | "[ARM offer similar performance to the low end Atom chipsets[dubious discuss] but at roughly one quarter the power consumption..." |
| 16:39.04 | achipa | RST38h: hehe :) the point is TDP talks about dissipating the generated heat, not about how that heat gets generated |
| 16:39.50 | Arkenoi | btw is the flash player faster/newer in the leakware? |
| 16:41.13 | Treibholz | does someone have a /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_bsddb.so |
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| 16:42.05 | achipa | tripzero: the point is Moorestown sucks a breakthrough 21mW when idle. Now look up how much an ARM draws when idle |
| 16:42.32 | tripzero | achipa, agreed |
| 16:42.36 | frals | Treibholz: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9865 |
| 16:42.37 | povbot` | Bug 9865: Python missing bsddb module |
| 16:42.49 | tripzero | achipa, i was just curious on what you actual complaint with it was |
| 16:43.01 | Treibholz | frals: yeah... |
| 16:43.01 | tripzero | s/you/your |
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| 16:43.36 | Treibholz | frals: this is so stupid.... |
| 16:43.39 | achipa | tripzero: I don't have a complaint - just saying it still has not addressed the issues that prevented it from entering the smartphone arena |
| 16:44.05 | achipa | tripzero: UMPC people will be happy, as it gains a lot where they were suffering, but others... not really |
| 16:44.41 | achipa | Arkenoi: yes, but not significantly (mostly security fixes) |
| 16:44.44 | tripzero | achipa, okay. that makes sense |
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| 16:44.54 | Arkenoi | achipa: still v9? |
| 16:45.04 | achipa | Arkenoi: yes, 9.0.260 iirc |
| 16:45.08 | Treibholz | frals: is there another way to access the addressbook with python? |
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| 16:45.29 | frals | Treibholz: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings, http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings/More_examples |
| 16:45.38 | Arkenoi | thinks UMPCs sucked big time until finger-friendly systems came out |
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| 16:46.02 | frals | Treibholz: im using it as well; http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/contacts.py#line67 |
| 16:46.19 | hume | in the calendar in maemo5, the one shipped with the N900 - how do I clear it fully? Delete it, or does that mess things up? |
| 16:47.11 | Treibholz | hume: delete * from Components; |
| 16:47.19 | hume | Trizt, thx |
| 16:47.24 | RST38h | Arkenoi: ...and the finger friendly systems continue sucking! |
| 16:47.24 | Arkenoi | achipa: so i guess PR1.2 will be that one too. That's sad, i was hoping to get flash 10 (even it was said it was ported to maemo for a long time, i've seen a mention on TMO that adobe demonstrated 10.1 beta half an year ago on n900 *prototype*) |
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| 16:47.53 | Treibholz | hume: it's an sqlitedb in ~/.calendar/calendardb |
| 16:47.56 | Arkenoi | rst38h: well, it sucks less than to have destop os on a tablet |
| 16:48.05 | RST38h | Of all people, Arkenoi, why YOU would need Flash 10? |
| 16:48.06 | achipa | Arkenoi: well, if what is being spread on twitter is true, we'll be happy to get 10.1 AT ALL |
| 16:48.12 | hume | Treibholz, ok... now I get it |
| 16:48.23 | wall[e] | anyone know a test app that can measure pressure sensitivity ? |
| 16:48.40 | RST38h | Meanwhile: sharky76 |
| 16:48.44 | RST38h | oh wait, no |
| 16:48.48 | frals | ~curse tmo-posters |
| 16:48.48 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tmo-posters ! |
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| 16:48.54 | Arkenoi | rst38h: it is faster and stupid rutube wants it |
| 16:49.05 | Arkenoi | and i am afraid others will follow |
| 16:49.06 | frals | why the hell dont people even bother to read the first fucking post in a thread :[ |
| 16:49.19 | RST38h | Arkenoi: rutube is useless |
| 16:50.03 | Arkenoi | yes, but some people send me links to videos hosted there |
| 16:50.20 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Airlines to enforce more vigorous 'no fly' checks |
| 16:50.23 | wall[e] | can you measure pressure sensitivity with stylus? |
| 16:50.35 | wall[e] | i could check |
| 16:50.38 | Arkenoi | no fly is stupid idea at all |
| 16:51.21 | Arkenoi | how can you imagine a person so dangerous to be not allowed to fly, yet innocent enough so you cannot arrest him? |
| 16:51.57 | Arkenoi | achipa: yes, that sucks |
| 16:53.39 | Arkenoi | achipa: as those rumors are almost certainly true -- i've read the interview they are originating from |
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| 17:04.34 | SpeedEvil | The icelandic people have recently been enforcing a no-fly zone over europe. So anything's possible. |
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| 17:11.15 | GAN900 | frals, welcome to Talk. :P |
| 17:11.28 | GAN900 | Gotta love Adobe promises. |
| 17:14.16 | achipa | X-Fade: if you're still around... abiword did not quite show up in extras-devel (still) |
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| 17:15.20 | MohammadAG | the importer seems borked btw |
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| 17:15.24 | MohammadAG | it's not the only package |
| 17:15.28 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 17:16.51 | achipa | MohammadAG: on the bright side, at least the packages are getting optified now :) |
| 17:17.17 | MohammadAG | heh, sent the optified mc into -devel last week :) |
| 17:17.18 | slonopotamus | johnsq: hai |
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| 17:18.41 | Mece | tiddeli-pom |
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| 17:18.57 | Mece | MohammadAG, what's mc? |
| 17:19.12 | MohammadAG | Midnight Commander |
| 17:19.13 | slonopotamus | Mece: midnight commander? |
| 17:19.47 | Mece | right I figured it out actually. haven't tried it. |
| 17:20.24 | Mece | i put my epically advanced shopping list app qlister in devel. |
| 17:21.09 | Mece | frals would understand the cleverness of the name. coming upp with that was the most demanding task. |
| 17:22.02 | MohammadAG | I don't use mc |
| 17:22.09 | MohammadAG | someone requested that it gets optified |
| 17:22.18 | Mece | oh. nice. |
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| 17:22.45 | MohammadAG | same goes for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51885 |
| 17:22.58 | MohammadAG | I know it runs at 1 fps, since I compiled it before I got the N900 |
| 17:23.03 | MohammadAG | but it's in -devel now |
| 17:23.18 | achipa | MohammadAG: did you take over maintainership ? |
| 17:23.22 | achipa | MohammadAG: of MC ? |
| 17:23.41 | MohammadAG | changed the maintainer in the control file, yeah |
| 17:23.43 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 17:23.55 | Mece | MohammadAG is the echo "auto" > debian/maemo-optify enough to optify an app properly? (perhaps wrong filename, but anyway) |
| 17:24.27 | MohammadAG | depends on the app, for MC no |
| 17:24.35 | achipa | MohammadAG: the original dude said to me he's nominating you as maintainer |
| 17:24.37 | Mece | right, I forgot about wesnoth. I think I got maintainer status on that package. |
| 17:24.38 | achipa | \ |
| 17:24.49 | frals | GAN900: im still hopeful one day, someone will read before posting ;P |
| 17:24.53 | frals | Mece: lol |
| 17:25.10 | Mece | see*, made frals lol :) |
| 17:25.34 | Mece | totally worth the 4 extra manhours. |
| 17:25.42 | SpeedEvil | Mece: hopping list app? |
| 17:25.46 | SpeedEvil | ^s |
| 17:25.55 | Mece | speedevil, well yeah. |
| 17:26.21 | Mece | portrait, tick off stuff you've put in cart. that kind of list. |
| 17:26.33 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:26.44 | SpeedEvil | no barcode support then? :) |
| 17:27.03 | Mece | speedevil, unfortunately you cant install it directly due to qt fuckups. |
| 17:27.10 | Mece | speedevil, no. |
| 17:27.46 | Mece | speedevil, this was just something I needed so I made it. learned some qt in the process. |
| 17:27.56 | SpeedEvil | I see. |
| 17:28.31 | SpeedEvil | has people to do his shopping for him. |
| 17:28.38 | Mece | gonna rewrite it in c++ now that I have a semi working version. |
| 17:28.56 | SpeedEvil | (admittedly, these are the supermarkets delivery people) |
| 17:29.00 | Mece | has 4 small kids, so he has pretty long shoppinglists. |
| 17:29.18 | SpeedEvil | Currently shopping ~monthly - which is fun. |
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| 17:31.31 | Mece | speedevil, weekly here. |
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| 17:35.11 | adalal | jus a question, is it voiding your warranty if you undervolt or underclock your device? |
| 17:35.38 | SpeedEvil | adalal: fundamentally, that question can only be gotten from nokia. |
| 17:35.55 | adalal | sigh... thanks |
| 17:36.12 | SpeedEvil | \Underclocking and undervolting devices is not always safe. The hardware is not always stable under those conditions, and failures can occur. |
| 17:36.31 | SpeedEvil | They are much rarer than the normal overheating/overvolting problems - but they aren't zero |
| 17:37.39 | RST38h | are they non-reversible failures though? |
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| 17:40.07 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 17:40.33 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: some yes |
| 17:40.50 | ShadowJK | anyone running leaked 1.2 rc want to cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness? |
| 17:40.50 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I saw one psu that really diddn't like running at low voltage - and died |
| 17:41.10 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I would be surprised if this hits the n900 - but... |
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| 17:41.43 | ShadowJK | Silent data corruption would probably be the most annoying I'd think? |
| 17:42.38 | Mece | shadowjk, noobmonk3y is the most helpful leakywearing foo :) |
| 17:42.58 | Mece | ~seen noobmonk3y |
| 17:43.02 | infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-50-44.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 20h 34m 29s ago, saying: 'not allways a bad thing :P'. |
| 17:43.04 | ShadowJK | and crashes from that might not go away by restoring default clock and voltage |
| 17:43.37 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: that too |
| 17:43.38 | Treibholz | hmm,listening to a podcast with pannucci AND browsing the web hangs often |
| 17:43.57 | Treibholz | while the integrated player works fine |
| 17:44.13 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I have too much crap going on. :/ I want to get n900 setup booting from sd - so I can properly play with undervolting and measurements |
| 17:44.56 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Actually, I think that the silent data corruption danger is overrated |
| 17:45.11 | RST38h | ShadowJK: When CPU fails, you usually start getting coredumps |
| 17:45.13 | Treibholz | isn't pannucci using pulsadio, too? |
| 17:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | I want a beagleboard musb_hdrc X-P |
| 17:45.53 | ShadowJK | RST38h, one byte here and there.. |
| 17:45.56 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Any persistent storage that is in the system is so distanced from the CPU and written using so many different protocols, that you do not get data corruption there |
| 17:46.09 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I mean, not *commonly*, even if your CPU fails |
| 17:46.42 | ShadowJK | I'm thinking of that area between working and failing :P |
| 17:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: don't forget SmartReflex - it might decide to flood the core with excessive current to compensate for the undervoltage, so gates are ticking within parameters. This might cause havoc |
| 17:47.03 | RST38h | That "area" is usually characterized by random coredumps when running apps |
| 17:47.09 | ShadowJK | and ubi data passing through cpu during gc :) |
| 17:47.13 | RST38h | Doc: Smartreflex is off |
| 17:47.15 | Arkenoi | btw still not a single overclocking-toasted nokia? ;-) |
| 17:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: no it's not |
| 17:47.43 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Given that people have been doing nasty things to them, and then returning for warranty, they may not come clean. |
| 17:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: SmartReflex is a bunch of independent functions both in hw and sw |
| 17:48.12 | SpeedEvil | I'd love some slightly mangled n900 motherboards to play with - overclokcing statistics would be nice |
| 17:48.27 | Arkenoi | yet to see just a single case of cpu failure that *may* be attributed to OC |
| 17:48.29 | RST38h | Doc: As I said, Smartreflex is off in N900s and there are hw reasons why it is off |
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| 17:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what you call "off" is just the automatics to regulate core voltage |
| 17:48.55 | RST38h | Doc: oh ok |
| 17:48.56 | ShadowJK | isn't just vdd1_comp and vdd2_comp off? |
| 17:49.00 | RST38h | yes |
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| 17:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so basically "SmartReflex" is off BECAUSE undervolting caused issues |
| 17:49.55 | n900-dk | hmm, guess my N900 i broken - can't seem to get Swipe-from-left select-text gesture to work |
| 17:50.28 | n900-dk | how hard do you have to press outside the screen? |
| 17:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | not more han inside |
| 17:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | than |
| 17:50.50 | lcuk | n900-dk, about 2/3 of the way down is the sweet spot |
| 17:50.56 | lcuk | just same motino you pan desktop with |
| 17:51.00 | lcuk | but start from offscreen |
| 17:51.04 | lcuk | motion |
| 17:51.26 | lcuk | hates hidden gestures on principle tho |
| 17:51.38 | frals | steals lcuks bacon |
| 17:51.39 | sECuRE | whatâs this motion about? |
| 17:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | what's a hidden gesture? |
| 17:51.50 | n900-dk | the mouse newer shows up :/ |
| 17:51.55 | ShadowJK | I usually press harder actually... |
| 17:51.56 | Arkenoi | thinks of that gesture as usability fail |
| 17:52.03 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: here, I'll show you: See? |
| 17:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:52.27 | ShadowJK | and I had problems after touching the screen calibration app.. it's broken :) |
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| 17:52.41 | Arkenoi | actually a hardware button would be much much better |
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| 17:52.42 | lcuk | i wouldnt mind if there was a way to activate the mode from menu or something |
| 17:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | I *never* touched screen calib on N900 |
| 17:53.09 | n900-dk | has stupid fingers |
| 17:53.12 | sECuRE | ah, got it working, thanks for the hint |
| 17:53.22 | Arkenoi | btw is screen calibration fixed in recent titan kernels? |
| 17:53.37 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, in future when we have embedded touchable computers in regular equipment, like the microsoft barroom thing |
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| 17:53.56 | lcuk | people are going to look more stupid than now because they will randomly click and press inanimate objects |
| 17:53.57 | RST38h | lcuk: Embedded into what? |
| 17:53.58 | sECuRE | but it only works in the browser, it seems? |
| 17:54.05 | RST38h | can think of a few... places |
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| 17:54.07 | lcuk | walls and desks |
| 17:54.18 | tripzero | i want one embedded in my wife |
| 17:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: mehehe |
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| 17:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | sECuRE: only browser |
| 17:54.57 | Arkenoi | secure: conversations as well |
| 17:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 17:55.04 | lcuk | tripzero, your wife probably has technology embedded inside her |
| 17:55.06 | Arkenoi | but not email (and that's stupid) |
| 17:55.15 | ShadowJK | I guess you can use Sketch, extend to canvas so that it's wider than screen, pick finest brush, then draw finger from outside screen inwards, if line on screen doesn't start right at the left/right edge of screen, gestures will fail |
| 17:55.27 | tripzero | lcuk, yes, but it's currently "unstable" |
| 17:55.31 | sECuRE | in xterm, it would be useful |
| 17:55.36 | lcuk | change the batteries |
| 17:55.36 | tripzero | needs a firmware update |
| 17:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | sECuRE: in xterm there's a button |
| 17:56.14 | ShadowJK | screen calib isn't a kernel issue afaik, there's a fixed screen calib .deb in the screencalib-is+broken thread on tmo :P |
| 17:56.17 | tripzero | in fact, probably needs a complete kernel rewrite |
| 17:56.21 | tripzero | the scheduler is all messed up |
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| 17:56.46 | lcuk | consumption society, just throw out the old one and get a newer model |
| 17:56.54 | sECuRE | DocScrutinizer: i know the paste button, but i am looking for copy |
| 17:57.24 | ShadowJK | need to paint something first, then copy button will be next to paste button |
| 17:57.45 | sECuRE | paint? |
| 17:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | there's the cursor with red bar |
| 17:57.55 | n900-dk | ShadowJK: it doesn't start sketching at the edge, but a little inside, both on the left and right side.. |
| 17:58.02 | sECuRE | ah! |
| 17:58.06 | sECuRE | thatâs what it is for, thanks |
| 17:58.32 | ShadowJK | n900-dk, when I do it the same way I do it to trigger gestures, it starts sketching at the edge |
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| 17:58.58 | ShadowJK | note that default canvas is smaller than sceenwidth so you have to extend it first for this test |
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| 18:02.13 | n900-dk | I really cant sketch to the edge, not even with the stylus |
| 18:03.26 | Arkenoi | i guess we need a) different io scheduler b) explicit memory cache for media player |
| 18:03.38 | Arkenoi | and c) working ionice |
| 18:04.05 | Arkenoi | with all that sync and indexer crap running at lowest possible priority -- really |
| 18:04.07 | ShadowJK | and dedicated swap device |
| 18:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | how hard is it to get a tmo thread title changed? |
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| 18:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921 N900 will not allow USB OTG -> N900 will now allow USB hostmode :-D |
| 18:06.25 | microlith | oh? |
| 18:06.34 | ShadowJK | got it working or just everyone agreeing it can be done? :p |
| 18:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | #2 for now :-D |
| 18:07.11 | wall[e] | what does host mode mean? |
| 18:07.20 | wall[e] | sorry, I am from '00 |
| 18:07.45 | ShadowJK | wall[e], that you can connect stuff like usb memory sticks to n900 usb port |
| 18:07.49 | wall[e] | like you can plug a usb keyboard? |
| 18:07.50 | n900-dk | ShadowJK: now it works! I tried to recalibrate the screen, and now the mouse marker show up, thx! :) |
| 18:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | just a thread with 75+ pages and THAT title like it's now is hardly attracting anybody |
| 18:08.01 | wall[e] | ShadowJK, cool. |
| 18:08.17 | RST38h | Doc: Eh? |
| 18:08.32 | wall[e] | ok, done with this. no more mypaint! |
| 18:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: why eh? |
| 18:09.29 | wall[e] | ShadowJK, will a keyboard work? |
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| 18:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: it will |
| 18:09.48 | wall[e] | I just bought bluetooth kb for no reason! |
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| 18:09.57 | wall[e] | sobs on DocScrutinizer's shoulder. |
| 18:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | nah, you'll need it for a short while, until the kernel driver is fixed |
| 18:10.34 | wall[e] | ok |
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| 18:11.01 | Arkenoi | wall[e]: dealextreme? |
| 18:11.09 | wall[e] | Arkenoi, mx5500 |
| 18:11.30 | wall[e] | but the mouse rocks, well, thinking about it i feel much better. |
| 18:12.00 | Arkenoi | damn it is expensive one ;-) |
| 18:12.05 | wall[e] | the mouse has freaking gear! |
| 18:12.06 | MohammadAG | I wonder if there are USB controlled Javelins |
| 18:12.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 18:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LOOOOOL |
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| 18:12.51 | MohammadAG | reads a how to write kernel drivers from scratch, need to get this asap! :P |
| 18:12.52 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Striker-II-USB-Laser-Guided-Missile-Launcher-3-Missiles-/110528746620?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bc06d47c |
| 18:13.03 | MohammadAG | closes the how to |
| 18:13.05 | ioeee | saluda pero poquito que me canso o/ |
| 18:13.06 | wall[e] | Arkenoi, a quarter of my month salary :S |
| 18:13.25 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, would that rotate around the globe twice? :P |
| 18:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUdY2gtYjI |
| 18:13.53 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If you launch it really high up - sure |
| 18:15.03 | wall[e] | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30142075@N00/4582060528/ |
| 18:15.09 | Arkenoi | wall[e]: too much for me to buy with "no reason". it seems nice, though. i prefer cheap BTCs, anyways. |
| 18:15.15 | wall[e] | finished, sorry keep posting wip |
| 18:15.31 | wall[e] | Arkenoi, i got it for the mouse |
| 18:15.45 | wall[e] | it has special gear that allow free spinning like for 10 seconds |
| 18:15.52 | wall[e] | so you can scroll large page with ease |
| 18:16.19 | wall[e] | and i need extra buttons for 3d work |
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| 18:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, a real fun with N900 and hostmode |
| 18:17.02 | wall[e] | cool |
| 18:17.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: is it working? |
| 18:17.18 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, how high? :) |
| 18:17.25 | wall[e] | i still have a camera for the hole |
| 18:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: almost ;-P |
| 18:17.53 | jacekowski | shame that i can only do some real hacking on saturday |
| 18:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we are 100% sure how we put it to work (well, except the bme part) |
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| 18:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | aah, btw... who's got a beagleboard? |
| 18:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro |
| 18:19.38 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 1h 51m 46s ago, saying: 'oh, that's bad news -- I loved the way you handled it.'. |
| 18:19.38 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Around 200000km |
| 18:19.46 | MohammadAG | I'll tell you when I know what a beagleboard is |
| 18:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 18:20.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: #edev |
| 18:20.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: arm development board |
| 18:20.12 | jacekowski | marcels: with same soc as n900 |
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| 18:20.16 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: ^ |
| 18:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you know the community? |
| 18:20.22 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 18:20.30 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: and very similiar peripherials |
| 18:20.36 | SpeedEvil | bo |
| 18:20.38 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:20.47 | MohammadAG | basically, an N900 with official OTG |
| 18:20.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, send him a PM |
| 18:21.01 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: actually - I recall vaguely there may be a #beagle |
| 18:21.04 | SpeedEvil | or something |
| 18:21.05 | MohammadAG | he's online |
| 18:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess some 2..5 ppl here in should have both N810 and beagleboard |
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| 18:34.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: pong |
| 18:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: heh :-D |
| 18:35.07 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what happened? |
| 18:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | just wondered how much you could help with hostmode |
| 18:36.00 | javispedro | so far, not at all, I'm just trying to follow. |
| 18:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | do you know anybody with a beagleboard? |
| 18:36.40 | javispedro | there MUST be somebody here with one. |
| 18:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | I bet |
| 18:37.04 | javispedro | http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2009-02-17#T14:58:33 |
| 18:37.09 | lcuk | keesj has one agaik |
| 18:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | alas he didn't rise his hand when I asked 10 min ago |
| 18:37.11 | lcuk | :P |
| 18:37.38 | javispedro | I've been diffing nokia kernel to both upstream and linux omap |
| 18:37.45 | javispedro | upstream generates an insane 300k diff |
| 18:37.50 | javispedro | 300klines |
| 18:38.03 | javispedro | linux omap is also insane but I see some files have been renamed and moved around mostly |
| 18:38.28 | javispedro | for example twl3040 stuff from /drivers/i2c/chips to its current positions in n900 kernel |
| 18:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | 300k LINES?? |
| 18:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | duh bro |
| 18:39.33 | javispedro | I want to prove my point, which is that modifications in the usb subsystem vs beagleboard kernel are minimal |
| 18:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'd be really curious about the diffs in /source/kernel/drivers/usb/* from maemo to whatever beagleboard runs |
| 18:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | lol, yea |
| 18:41.38 | javispedro | seems that they merged some stuff from a more recent linux-omap kernel than 2.6.28, since some TI copyrights are newer. |
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| 18:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: Stskeeps: we should start an initiative to open up bme now, concurrently. We need it for hostmode now |
| 18:42.18 | javispedro | and quite a lot of differences are cleaning and refactoring stuff which I really doubt Nokia did for a n900-only branch :D |
| 18:42.36 | wall[e] | wonders if he could sell mx5500 w/o the mouse |
| 18:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: who's 'they' 2 lines above? |
| 18:43.04 | javispedro | @nokia |
| 18:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | aah k |
| 18:43.21 | javispedro | there's mostly a single person behind the changes, seems. |
| 18:43.52 | javispedro | (as listed in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/otg/twl4030-usb.c ) |
| 18:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | I *wonder* if beagleboard would go to hostmode on 'echo host >mode' |
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| 18:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe echo b_host..." or whatever |
| 18:44.42 | javispedro | according to that linked irc conversation from above, NOT. it needs a reboot. |
| 18:44.53 | javispedro | ( http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs/index.php?date=2009-02-17#T14:58:33 ) |
| 18:45.32 | javispedro | <sakoman> "Inserting an OTG cable does not trigger a switch to host mode" (and this is around 2 months old...) |
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| 18:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | err really? 2009-02-17#T14:58:33 |
| 18:47.17 | javispedro | ep, touché, sorry. |
| 18:48.09 | javispedro | wonder if situation improved, cause the driver didn't... |
| 18:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm :-S |
| 18:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | no changes in beagleboard usb driver since >1 year then? |
| 18:49.01 | javispedro | the ti+nokia copyrighted one got merged in 2.6.33 |
| 18:49.03 | javispedro | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/otg/twl4030-usb.c |
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| 18:49.45 | javispedro | I didn't diff extensively, but from a quick look, it has better error handling and that's about it. |
| 18:50.30 | javispedro | also btw note there's something interesting there |
| 18:50.37 | javispedro | I would forget about the a_idle b_idle stuff |
| 18:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | I friggin wonder how they can publish a twl4030 driver, while N900 is using bq24150 and bme instead of 4030 chargepump, and 1707 instead of 4030 phy |
| 18:50.43 | javispedro | since it comes from the linkstat function |
| 18:50.56 | javispedro | and that function just reads STS_HARDWARE_CONDITIONS twl3040 reg |
| 18:51.06 | javispedro | and will only say a_idle if ID pin bit is asserted. |
| 18:51.13 | javispedro | which is something we cannot do. |
| 18:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | basically twl4030 isn't involved at all on N900 usb XP |
| 18:51.41 | Stskeeps | sts hardware? |
| 18:51.47 | javispedro | sts_hw_conditions :) |
| 18:51.51 | Stskeeps | i never fail |
| 18:51.56 | javispedro | :) |
| 18:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (a_idle) that's OTG |
| 18:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | we don't want OTG |
| 18:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | we want forced host_ONLY mode |
| 18:53.04 | javispedro | yeah, but it means we'll never see anyother than "b_idle" in that procfs file |
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| 18:53.17 | javispedro | EVEN if for some magical reason host mode worked. |
| 18:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#2010 |
| 18:54.56 | javispedro | I am talking about this one |
| 18:54.57 | javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#445 |
| 18:55.00 | javispedro | and |
| 18:55.07 | javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/otg/twl4030-usb.c#355 |
| 18:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | if (sysfs_streq(buf, "host")) ... else if (sysfs_streq(buf, "peripheral")) ... else if (sysfs_streq(buf, "otg")) |
| 18:55.55 | javispedro | yes, you're talking about WRITING it, I'm talking about what we read from it :) |
| 18:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-D |
| 18:57.08 | javispedro | so |
| 18:57.16 | javispedro | we're to assume that the twl4030 is incomplete. |
| 18:57.21 | javispedro | *twl3040 driver. |
| 18:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: anyway there's quite obviously something fishy about that. We should just echo host >mode and here we go |
| 18:57.40 | javispedro | (unless definite proof from a beagleboard owner..) |
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| 18:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 18:58.26 | tybollt | frade: way to go! |
| 18:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet there has to be a somewhat more complete version somewhere |
| 18:58.42 | javispedro | which I cannot find :8 |
| 18:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | I hoped for beagleboard |
| 18:59.13 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's worthwhile ailing the people mentioned in the copyright strings |
| 18:59.21 | javispedro | I wondered that too. |
| 18:59.22 | SpeedEvil | mailing |
| 18:59.25 | javispedro | Specially the Nokian? |
| 18:59.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 19:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's your job though, I'd say. Best chances to get something out of it (or Stskeeps ) |
| 19:00.19 | javispedro | for example the isp1301 driver logic is much more complex, not as easy as twl3040-usb's "is pin bit asserted => a_idle else b_idle." |
| 19:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I looked nto that |
| 19:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly the ID pin initial thing |
| 19:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | for OTG |
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| 19:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | we schould be able to grab that and rewrite for 4030/1707 |
| 19:02.12 | javispedro | seems like a plan :P |
| 19:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | I mean the basic USB protocols and foo are same for 1707 and 1303 |
| 19:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | err 1301 |
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| 19:03.09 | RST38h | Has it been confirmed that USB host is hw-wise possible on the N900 though? |
| 19:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:03.30 | RST38h | when? =) |
| 19:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | there's not the slightest doubt in that |
| 19:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | during the last 7 days |
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| 19:05.16 | javispedro | in my limited experience I'm starting to agree with that prediction. only possible bummer is that isp1707a needs id pin for anything, and that doesn't seem to be the case from reading similar datasheets.. |
| 19:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | the SoC (the musb if in soc) can evidently do hostmode, see beagleboard. the 1707 has no restrictions why it couldn't work in hostmode as well, as actually it's mostly agnostic of any mode |
| 19:05.51 | javispedro | *would be that... |
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| 19:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | except for switching pullup/pulldown resistors, and those are configurable via already spotted bits in a register |
| 19:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | inside 1707 |
| 19:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | not related to ID pin |
| 19:07.19 | SpeedEvil | the only wrinkle would be if enough is in hardware that the USB MAC requires the ID pin before doing the turnaround in firmware. But that seems not to be the case - see the forced host mode |
| 19:07.44 | SpeedEvil | I can't see any reason why - apart from unnoticed erratas - that it shouldn't work. |
| 19:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, please let's forget about the ID pin. It's absolutely strictly for detecting A/B-end of a USB-OTG cable *only* |
| 19:08.33 | wall[e] | how do I check which package spent most disk space in / ? |
| 19:08.44 | wall[e] | in certain partition |
| 19:08.54 | wall[e] | now my root is full |
| 19:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: du / | sort -n |
| 19:09.19 | SpeedEvil | wall[e]: The wrong way (that I use is to install gnu-find) then find / -mount -ctime -20 -size +100k |
| 19:09.37 | wall[e] | shouldn't it be something to do with dpkg? |
| 19:09.39 | SpeedEvil | wall[e]: this finds all files newer than 20 days that are on the root and >100k |
| 19:09.41 | javispedro | remembers the PXA usb controller... it was much easier. |
| 19:09.56 | wall[e] | ah good idea |
| 19:09.58 | SpeedEvil | and yes - it would be nice if dpkg can output it - I don't think what's on the phone can output that |
| 19:10.16 | wall[e] | dpkg -l pipe to du some how? |
| 19:10.23 | wall[e] | tracing individual packages |
| 19:10.29 | wall[e] | may be it's good for an app? |
| 19:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | dudes, I need breakfast err dinner |
| 19:10.40 | javispedro | me too, seeya |
| 19:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 19:10.45 | wall[e] | waves |
| 19:10.57 | wall[e] | good luck home mode! |
| 19:11.22 | wall[e] | make me waste my bt kb! if that make you feel happy! |
| 19:11.29 | SpeedEvil | wall[e]: geenerally find works well - it's usually pretty clear where the packages are coming from. |
| 19:11.42 | SpeedEvil | the files |
| 19:11.57 | wall[e] | ok, thanks |
| 19:11.58 | wall[e] | let me try |
| 19:12.48 | wall[e] | installs gnu-find |
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| 19:17.14 | dhq | is there any map software update |
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| 19:20.17 | SpeedEvil | you mean to ovi maps? |
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| 19:23.15 | MohammadAG | python is a pain in the ass |
| 19:23.24 | MohammadAG | o/ crashanddie |
| 19:23.32 | dhq | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 19:23.51 | dhq | but this one doesnt even get connected it take long timr to lock on |
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| 19:24.40 | SpeedEvil | you have an internet connection? |
| 19:24.49 | dhq | no internet on my mobile |
| 19:24.55 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:25.52 | dhq | i spent my 2 months salary on this phone and was upset when i got it and the mas dint work :( |
| 19:25.53 | SpeedEvil | Getting a lock in a place with a clear view of the sky and no stored data may take several minutes the first time. |
| 19:26.14 | dhq | it take like 10 mins everytime |
| 19:26.17 | SpeedEvil | It shouldn't take that amount of time nearly if you use it regularly after that though |
| 19:26.20 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 |
| 19:26.21 | povbot` | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view |
| 19:26.31 | SpeedEvil | commenting on that bug with your experiences may be helpful. |
| 19:26.37 | SpeedEvil | sorry - adk |
| 19:26.38 | E0x | crazy thing spent 2 months salaray in a phone |
| 19:26.39 | SpeedEvil | afk |
| 19:27.05 | dhq | E0x: what to do i had an old phone and wanted a really good phone |
| 19:27.37 | jacekowski | still, 2 months salary on a phone |
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| 19:28.08 | E0x | dhq: that don't justified spend that amount of money |
| 19:28.24 | Arkenoi | even 9000 did not cost me that much ;-) |
| 19:28.37 | jacekowski | if i could save 2 months salary |
| 19:28.39 | Arkenoi | but one month it was |
| 19:28.48 | jacekowski | i would be a rich man |
| 19:28.54 | E0x | jacekowski: me too |
| 19:29.45 | dhq | well i know but, had to get this phone cauz it was the best linux phone |
| 19:30.05 | dhq | when will the new ovimaps come to this phone |
| 19:30.21 | jacekowski | besides, n900 is like £500 |
| 19:30.25 | E0x | you have plan of do some developepment on it ? |
| 19:30.34 | E0x | because i don't see the point then |
| 19:30.41 | dhq | lol |
| 19:31.11 | dhq | well its just a personal thing i guess ...... |
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| 19:31.53 | SpeedEvil | It's a valid bug - can we try to focus on helping? |
| 19:32.15 | E0x | please.. |
| 19:32.18 | Arkenoi | 9000 was $3k here when launched, though it was about twice its price in finland, i surely did not pay that much |
| 19:34.08 | dhq | hmmm |
| 19:34.59 | dhq | so no new ovimaps or anyother map software there |
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| 19:35.09 | E0x | maep |
| 19:36.06 | dhq | ok will try that |
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| 19:39.30 | dhq | ok am of to bed see you guys tommoro .... Goodnight all |
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| 19:40.21 | dhq | and when i connect to a wifi network my phone restarts at various intervals |
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| 19:41.15 | E0x | restart ? |
| 19:41.32 | E0x | hmm |
| 19:41.45 | dhq | yes the phone just reboots |
| 19:42.19 | jacekowski | looks like wd rebooting it |
| 19:42.34 | dhq | wd?? |
| 19:43.06 | jacekowski | watchdog |
| 19:43.19 | dhq | so what do i do |
| 19:43.30 | E0x | do you have the laste maemo update ? |
| 19:43.36 | dhq | yes |
| 19:44.08 | E0x | menu->settings->about: Version: .. |
| 19:44.12 | E0x | what say ? |
| 19:44.26 | dhq | 3.2010.02.-8.003 |
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| 19:44.55 | E0x | hmm |
| 19:45.00 | E0x | 003 ? |
| 19:45.11 | dhq | this is what is there |
| 19:45.17 | E0x | i have 002 and not show more update available |
| 19:45.48 | dhq | i use the middleeast firmware |
| 19:46.39 | lcuk | afaik 003 is the HW variant and not relating to a newer version |
| 19:47.02 | E0x | ok |
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| 19:56.56 | MohammadAG | is there any way to send key strokes using terminal? |
| 19:57.53 | sECuRE | not sure if it works on the n900, but on X you have xtest |
| 19:57.53 | _llll_ | send them where? echo? |
| 19:57.53 | sECuRE | you can use it to generate keyboard/mouse events |
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| 20:02.15 | wall[e] | send keystroke to where? |
| 20:02.37 | wall[e] | ah to any window? |
| 20:02.52 | wall[e] | yes but need the window id |
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| 20:03.23 | Cabletwitch | Aha. |
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| 20:04.50 | Cabletwitch | Oh knowledgable people, I come to thee with a problem of the most basic nature... but I'm a numpty, and cant seem to find the bloody answer. |
| 20:05.47 | Cabletwitch | I want to remove that plugin which seems to come bundled with xchat, but apparently need root to be able to actually do anything to it. |
| 20:06.09 | microlith | bundled plugin? |
| 20:06.15 | Cabletwitch | Despite trying various things, I dont seem to be successful when trying to gain it. |
| 20:06.45 | microlith | first, what plugin might you be referring to? |
| 20:06.58 | Cabletwitch | Yeah, some annoying notification plugin. Lets you know when someone talks to you when you're not focussed on xchat. |
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| 20:07.34 | microlith | oh, I don't think that's a plugin :) |
| 20:07.48 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 20:08.10 | Cabletwitch | I unload it manually at startup, but I'd much rather is was gone for good. |
| 20:08.33 | Cabletwitch | I can unload it on the plugin menu? |
| 20:08.39 | TriztN900 | timeless_mbp: today I got another update of gb localization and it seems to be for pr1.2 which gives estetical faults on 1.1.1 |
| 20:09.06 | jacekowski | pr 1.2? |
| 20:09.20 | jacekowski | is it released? |
| 20:09.22 | Arkenoi | btw what does "minimize to tray" xchat option do? |
| 20:09.33 | microlith | Cabletwitch: yeah, it's in there. didn't realize it |
| 20:09.43 | microlith | Arkenoi: nothing on maemo |
| 20:10.01 | Cabletwitch | Microlith: I located it eventually, but cant do anything with it without root. |
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| 20:10.08 | TriztN900 | jacekowski: only for those in Uganda |
| 20:10.19 | microlith | Cabletwitch: I just unloaded it on mine without issue |
| 20:10.25 | jacekowski | why niggers get it sooner |
| 20:10.32 | Cabletwitch | Ideally, the plugins folder should be user accessible without requiring admin access. |
| 20:10.56 | TriztN900 | jacekowski: for they dont nag about it being late |
| 20:10.58 | Cabletwitch | Microlith: Oh, I can unload it. I just want to remove it permenantly |
| 20:11.07 | microlith | Cabletwitch: plugins are system wide, let me check something real quick |
| 20:11.13 | Cabletwitch | Sure. |
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| 20:11.52 | Cabletwitch | I'm still very new to messing with the device in this capacity, so while it might be a trivial thing, its still over my head right now :O) |
| 20:12.19 | microlith | Cabletwitch: no problem, it's worth it :) |
| 20:12.44 | microlith | the plugin is part of the xchat package, so I recommend against removing it for fear of breaking the package |
| 20:13.03 | microlith | however, to get root you should install the "rootsh"package |
| 20:13.14 | Cabletwitch | I'm never going to make a programmer, I've not got the head for it. But knowing how to break/unbreak it on a more technical level could be useful. |
| 20:13.30 | Cabletwitch | I belive I have the rootsh package. |
| 20:13.34 | microlith | ok |
| 20:13.38 | microlith | open up the terminal |
| 20:13.42 | microlith | and type "root" |
| 20:13.54 | Cabletwitch | one sec... |
| 20:14.22 | Cabletwitch | You're joking me? That easy? |
| 20:14.26 | microlith | yes |
| 20:14.27 | microlith | tha teasy |
| 20:14.38 | Cabletwitch | Whats with the whole sudo gainroot crap then? XD |
| 20:14.54 | microlith | was used on previous internet tablets, iirc |
| 20:14.56 | Cabletwitch | I think the maemo.org wiki needs updating |
| 20:15.16 | Cabletwitch | Damn, dont I feel like a twat now XD |
| 20:15.42 | Cabletwitch | Now, how long does root access last, until I close the terminal, or reboot? |
| 20:15.52 | microlith | type "exit" |
| 20:16.02 | microlith | or close the terminal |
| 20:16.13 | Cabletwitch | And, can I use the graphical GPE file manager to do the business? |
| 20:16.31 | microlith | dunno |
| 20:16.38 | PhonicUK | Cabletwitch, CuteExplorer is more finger friendly |
| 20:16.39 | Cabletwitch | I presume that would have the same privs, no? |
| 20:16.46 | Jaffa | Cabletwitch: 'root' is (roughly) a asynonym to "sudo gainroot" provided by rootsh |
| 20:17.09 | Jaffa | s/a asy/a sy/ |
| 20:17.14 | Cabletwitch | CuteExplorer wasnt there when I grabbed the GPE one. |
| 20:17.26 | Cabletwitch | Cheers Jaffa |
| 20:17.26 | PhonicUK | apt-get install cuteexplorer |
| 20:17.37 | PhonicUK | as root |
| 20:17.50 | PhonicUK | i like it a lot :) |
| 20:18.03 | Cabletwitch | I'll do that when I'm on the wifi, using gprs currently. |
| 20:18.23 | PhonicUK | its pretty small |
| 20:18.29 | PhonicUK | you'd be fine getting it over 2G |
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| 20:18.36 | Cabletwitch | But cheers chaps, you've sorted my conundrum out :O) |
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| 20:24.23 | PhonicUK | anyone know if theres a Q2 port that uses OpenGL ES? |
| 20:26.30 | tybollt | lovely greece - you folks are fucked :) |
| 20:26.32 | PhonicUK | or Q1 for that matter |
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| 20:27.56 | Jaffa | PhonicUK: Does the Q2 port for Maemo 5 use s/w rendering? |
| 20:28.21 | PhonicUK | AFAIK |
| 20:29.50 | MohammadAG | <Arkenoi> btw what does "minimize to tray" xchat option do? |
| 20:30.05 | MohammadAG | it minimizes to the tray |
| 20:30.05 | MohammadAG | (get the notification tray app for that) |
| 20:30.41 | PhonicUK | WinSCP = awesome |
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| 20:30.57 | PhonicUK | I wish Windows could natively mount a location over SSH |
| 20:31.19 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: windows doesn't even know what ssh is |
| 20:31.25 | PhonicUK | i know :\ |
| 20:31.57 | PhonicUK | does anybody else use SSH/SCP to move files to/from their device? |
| 20:32.00 | mikki-kun | it's kind of funy that my n900 is more powerful than a windows machine running with an i7 :D |
| 20:32.09 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: i do... all the time |
| 20:32.18 | PhonicUK | how do you figure that? |
| 20:32.29 | PhonicUK | I like SSHing into it and treating it like any other unix box |
| 20:32.32 | mikki-kun | well, at least if it comes in regards of connectivity |
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| 20:32.38 | PhonicUK | :P |
| 20:32.51 | mikki-kun | you ssh to a windows machine? |
| 20:33.00 | PhonicUK | no into my N900 |
| 20:33.10 | PhonicUK | from my windows desktop |
| 20:33.12 | mikki-kun | ahhhh, yeah, that i do if i need some console-work done |
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| 20:33.22 | mikki-kun | the keyboard is a lil too small for that on the n900 |
| 20:33.35 | PhonicUK | same |
| 20:33.38 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: you use uhm... puTTY right? |
| 20:33.40 | PhonicUK | yup |
| 20:33.54 | PhonicUK | I have a icon on my desktop that just connects to it automagically :) |
| 20:33.58 | PhonicUK | authenticates with a DSA key |
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| 20:34.22 | mikki-kun | ok... kind of reminds me now "hey, that sounds familiar ... oh yeah, 'there is an app for that'" :D |
| 20:34.34 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 20:34.45 | PhonicUK | do you ever VNC into your device? |
| 20:34.56 | mikki-kun | i didn't try vnc up until now |
| 20:35.03 | lcuk | i vnc from it often |
| 20:35.04 | PhonicUK | its pretty cool, if a bit slow |
| 20:35.09 | mikki-kun | first i gotta get my homework done with secure shell |
| 20:35.14 | lcuk | its rare i need to see/interact with a remote n900 |
| 20:35.19 | PhonicUK | ive RDP'ed from it a few times |
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| 20:35.30 | mikki-kun | PWD? |
| 20:35.31 | PhonicUK | lcuk, mines only remote in so far as its sat on my desk connected to my WiFI |
| 20:35.34 | mikki-kun | uhm... RPD? |
| 20:35.42 | PhonicUK | RDP = Remote Desktop Protocol |
| 20:35.48 | PhonicUK | to connect to windows machines |
| 20:35.51 | mikki-kun | ahhh, the windows stuff |
| 20:35.51 | lcuk | tho the first time i touched fremantle was on my n810 using vnc from qwertys home xepyhr |
| 20:35.57 | PhonicUK | its much faster than VNC |
| 20:36.08 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: but only from windows to windows |
| 20:36.11 | mikki-kun | afaik |
| 20:36.17 | lcuk | PhonicUK, and depends on what you need |
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| 20:36.22 | PhonicUK | nope, you can connect to a windows machine from a linux box |
| 20:36.23 | PhonicUK | rdesktop :) |
| 20:36.30 | PhonicUK | I wish we had something like VNC that used MPEG / MJPEG so i could stream video |
| 20:36.42 | mikki-kun | ahhh, ok... |
| 20:36.55 | mikki-kun | every day new bits of information reaching /dev/brain :D |
| 20:36.58 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 20:37.02 | lcuk | PhonicUK, nahh simple compression is best |
| 20:37.12 | lcuk | its still hard work compressing all the bits even for a bigger computer |
| 20:37.25 | PhonicUK | lcuk, not at 800x480 for a 3.2GHz quad core |
| 20:37.28 | lcuk | infact harder - because big high spec machines also seem to have big high res screens |
| 20:37.31 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: you could try with SSH "ssh -CY $USER@$HOST" |
| 20:37.48 | PhonicUK | lcuk, downscale the screen first before encoding :P |
| 20:37.51 | lcuk | PhonicUK, scaling your 3200*1200 dual desktop is still hard |
| 20:37.56 | lcuk | and you wouldnt see anything |
| 20:38.00 | PhonicUK | theres a really good app for the PSP that does it extremely well |
| 20:38.04 | PhonicUK | PSPDisp |
| 20:38.12 | PhonicUK | 30fps with maybe 50ms latency |
| 20:38.14 | PhonicUK | over Wifi |
| 20:38.27 | PhonicUK | 480x272, MJPEG |
| 20:38.32 | PhonicUK | I played TF2 with it, was awesome |
| 20:38.37 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: PSP? hell, what did happen there with it?! Ã.Ã |
| 20:38.51 | mikki-kun | luckily i still have my old PSP-1000 with CFW :D |
| 20:38.54 | lcuk | PhonicUK, then why arent those patches in the public vnc.. |
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| 20:39.00 | PhonicUK | lcuk, it doesn't use VNC |
| 20:39.02 | PhonicUK | its a custom protocol |
| 20:39.05 | PhonicUK | but its open source :) |
| 20:39.11 | PhonicUK | maybe ill make a Linux port |
| 20:39.16 | PhonicUK | its really simple |
| 20:39.26 | lcuk | integrate into vnc and get best of all worlds.. |
| 20:39.45 | mikki-kun | PhonicUK: uhm, did you try running that from the outside world? |
| 20:39.58 | PhonicUK | mikki, nope - but mainly because my internet is shite |
| 20:40.08 | mikki-kun | ok, that explains stuff |
| 20:40.09 | lcuk | tho the extra work to do fullscreen compression is ott and just overdoiing stuff |
| 20:40.12 | mikki-kun | i know what you mean |
| 20:40.15 | PhonicUK | 3Mbit down, 256KBit up |
| 20:40.18 | PhonicUK | fecking BT |
| 20:40.27 | lcuk | i use vnc anywhere over 3g |
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| 20:40.38 | mikki-kun | ok, the up sucks... i should have 8/512 |
| 20:40.39 | PhonicUK | If i had my old connection (40/4) I would :) |
| 20:40.42 | lcuk | orks over dialup too :) |
| 20:40.46 | lcuk | w |
| 20:41.02 | mikki-kun | but out of thailand i have like mail-pidgeon to nothing |
| 20:41.03 | PhonicUK | its annoying, my old house that had 40/4 is walking distance away |
| 20:41.06 | lcuk | did remote tech support to windows users many times that way |
| 20:41.32 | PhonicUK | RDP is much more bandwidth efficient than VNC for 'applications' |
| 20:41.41 | PhonicUK | for anything else (random bitmaps etc) its less |
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| 20:42.26 | lcuk | PhonicUK, does rdp interact with the current session or is it using terminal services? |
| 20:42.31 | lcuk | or whatever its called |
| 20:43.03 | lcuk | still knows people with win9x who have vnc |
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| 20:44.15 | PhonicUK | lcuk, it can do either |
| 20:45.00 | lcuk | does vista/w7 still do the cute thing of blocking the interactive user when a remote session starts? |
| 20:45.36 | MohammadAG | lcuk, adorable isn't it? |
| 20:45.52 | lcuk | makes you want to pat it on the head |
| 20:45.54 | lcuk | with a hammer |
| 20:46.19 | PhonicUK | lcuk, yeah when using terminal service mode (default) |
| 20:46.28 | PhonicUK | if you use 'remote assistance' mode, it doesn't behave like that |
| 20:46.51 | PhonicUK | theres also a hack to let you have multiple terminal sessions |
| 20:46.59 | PhonicUK | but its only 1 per user so you need to ahve an extra user account |
| 20:47.02 | lcuk | there are so many gotchas with RA mode and failure points we standardised and got instructions down which worked always |
| 20:47.14 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 20:47.16 | MohammadAG | but of course remote assistance is f'd up enough to allow someone from here to control your PC |
| 20:47.46 | ZogG | i got the most wierd msg on maemo tal |
| 20:47.51 | ZogG | talk |
| 20:48.18 | ZogG | hello! Im so noob that i dont know how to enter on a IRC. And i sucefully instaled android on my n810. Now i'm trying to install ubuntu. |
| 20:48.32 | ZogG | what does he want from me? |
| 20:48.33 | lcuk | ZogG, of course |
| 20:48.34 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: RA is quite secure |
| 20:48.45 | ZogG | lcuk of course what? |
| 20:49.16 | lcuk | people find it easier installing entire operating systems on their devices than opening a webpage |
| 20:49.30 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, so secure someone on freenode was downloading a .bat file to my PC |
| 20:49.56 | lcuk | http://webchat.freenode.net \o/ |
| 20:49.59 | jacekowski | how? |
| 20:50.08 | jacekowski | and it wasn't RA |
| 20:50.12 | jacekowski | it was remote desktop |
| 20:50.17 | ZogG | lcuk, you missed something - that was letter i got |
| 20:50.18 | jacekowski | and that's disabled by default |
| 20:50.19 | ZogG | it's not me =) |
| 20:50.28 | lcuk | yeah ZogG you are here |
| 20:50.30 | lcuk | they arent |
| 20:50.32 | MohammadAG | no idea, but I narrowed everything down till I found it was RA |
| 20:50.36 | ZogG | perhaps next time i should use quotes |
| 20:50.40 | MohammadAG | think I enabled it once |
| 20:50.45 | jacekowski | remote assistance is disabled by default |
| 20:50.52 | ZogG | lcuk and it's good for us =) |
| 20:50.56 | jacekowski | and remote assistance != remote desktop |
| 20:51.01 | ZogG | MohammadAG go to sleep |
| 20:51.11 | jacekowski | and most likely you had remote desktop enabled with some easy password |
| 20:51.21 | lcuk | we used to configure vnc with reverse connections and disable regular nbound stuff |
| 20:51.33 | MohammadAG | Nope, I use VNC for that |
| 20:51.34 | lcuk | so they had to pop up box and connect to us |
| 20:51.37 | jacekowski | teamviewer.com |
| 20:51.39 | PhonicUK | anyone know how to batch-rename everything to lower case? |
| 20:51.44 | lcuk | got round all router problems |
| 20:51.48 | jacekowski | PhonicUK: google |
| 20:51.49 | ZogG | gn8 everyone |
| 20:51.50 | mikki-kun | meh... why the heck did maemo.org again forget my freaking password?! |
| 20:51.58 | jacekowski | PhonicUK: quite easy to find |
| 20:52.08 | jacekowski | lcuk: teamviewer is quite nice |
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| 20:52.32 | lcuk | sure jacekowski but even solutions like that had problems |
| 20:52.42 | jacekowski | explain |
| 20:53.02 | PhonicUK | the scripts don't work under busybox's flavor of SH |
| 20:53.04 | lcuk | slower on average |
| 20:53.37 | lcuk | didnt work under all conditions and having to know and understand peoples broser support |
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| 20:53.49 | lcuk | and god forbid they had firefox or something that doesnt use activex |
| 20:54.32 | PhonicUK | has anyone got quake2 to play nice? |
| 20:55.04 | lcuk | meanwhile with a small app included in software package for support purposes we were able to reliably and smoothly get on any system we needed to (with the customer driving the connection) |
| 20:56.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | burrp |
| 20:56.45 | PhonicUK | Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx |
| 20:56.50 | PhonicUK | but I have pak0 etc etc |
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| 21:01.20 | PhonicUK | LoadLibrary("ref_soft.so") failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:01.21 | PhonicUK | :\ |
| 21:04.49 | Mece | PhonicUK, perhaps you could use bash? |
| 21:04.57 | PhonicUK | I sorted the case problem |
| 21:05.02 | PhonicUK | write my own script to do it :P |
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| 21:07.19 | PhonicUK | but now it cant find some lib |
| 21:07.58 | PhonicUK | even though its right ther e:\ |
| 21:10.30 | Mece | PhonicUK, I haven't tried it. looked like it should work just fine from what I read on tmo |
| 21:11.04 | PhonicUK | every time i google it I get spammed with stuff about Q3 |
| 21:11.11 | PhonicUK | which isn't helpful xD |
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| 21:15.08 | Joonas | hi |
| 21:15.24 | lcuk | hi Joonas |
| 21:16.06 | Joonas | trying to update gTranslate, but I'm getting an error. Package missing: libhildon1 (>=2.2.15-1+0m5) |
| 21:16.20 | Joonas | Do i need to wait for PR1.2 before I can update? |
| 21:18.04 | lcuk | Joonas, if the package has strict dependencies on a specific version, then yes unfortunately |
| 21:19.38 | crashanddie | waves at Joonas |
| 21:19.40 | Joonas | But is there updates that needs PR1.2 in the repository? |
| 21:19.41 | crashanddie | err |
| 21:19.44 | crashanddie | waves at lcuk |
| 21:19.49 | Joonas | :) |
| 21:19.52 | crashanddie | sorry Joonas, brainfreeze |
| 21:20.08 | lcuk | hey crabman \o |
| 21:20.08 | crashanddie | I'm completely wasted |
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| 21:20.34 | crashanddie | just spent the day moving all the crap in one room to remove the carpet and place new one, then move all the crap back into the room |
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| 21:21.46 | Joonas | err, <Joonas> *Why* is there updates that needs PR1.2 in the repository? |
| 21:22.35 | brik | to taunt us was my guess |
| 21:22.54 | MohammadAG | so that when 1.2 is released they don't have to rebuild apps |
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| 21:23.13 | lcuk | Joonas, because the repository is setup as pr1.2 now and the update to devices is not quite in sync yet |
| 21:24.02 | wall[e] | can't wait for tomorrow |
| 21:24.08 | wall[e] | last night I thought like that. |
| 21:24.18 | Joonas | ok, thanks |
| 21:25.18 | lcuk | Joonas, for most packages now its not a problem because of a new toolkit on the servers, but for specific things like you have encountered its needed |
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| 21:38.17 | javispedro | Joonas: are you the maintainer of gtranslate? |
| 21:38.22 | javispedro | oh, ouch. |
| 21:38.30 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:39.26 | PhonicUK | my washing machine is taking off |
| 21:39.29 | PhonicUK | its trying to go to the moon |
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| 21:52.23 | PhonicUK | I wonder what the past tense of netsplit is... |
| 21:52.24 | PhonicUK | Netsplat? |
| 21:53.16 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:53.39 | MohammadAG | PhonicUK, remember the tail command you gave me? |
| 21:53.51 | MohammadAG | does it work with changing output? (like wget) |
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| 21:53.58 | PhonicUK | yes |
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| 21:54.11 | MohammadAG | it's not working with arecord |
| 21:54.16 | PhonicUK | wget behaves differently when its being pipes |
| 21:54.38 | PhonicUK | hmm |
| 21:54.40 | MohammadAG | differently? |
| 21:54.43 | PhonicUK | yeah |
| 21:54.53 | MohammadAG | arecord is the same btw (in terms of output) |
| 21:55.24 | PhonicUK | what is the device node for the audio output device? |
| 21:55.41 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 21:55.49 | PhonicUK | /dev/dsp |
| 21:55.53 | PhonicUK | is what it normally is |
| 21:55.54 | MohammadAG | /dev/null |
| 21:56.02 | SpeedEvil1 | PhonicUK: pulseaudio |
| 21:56.04 | cowbot | Get:28 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Sources [11.2kB] |
| 21:56.08 | cowbot | always hangs updating scratchbox |
| 21:56.17 | PhonicUK | speedevil, but what is the dev node? |
| 21:56.22 | SpeedEvil1 | PhonicUK: you can also use alsa - however, that confuses stuff as it expects pulse |
| 21:56.31 | SpeedEvil1 | you have to use alsa |
| 21:56.39 | SpeedEvil1 | I forget the card numbers |
| 21:56.44 | PhonicUK | ah well |
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| 22:09.15 | cowbot | what is PhonicUK trying to do |
| 22:09.29 | PhonicUK | be silly :P |
| 22:09.37 | PhonicUK | arecord > /dev/dsp :P |
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| 22:10.07 | cowbot | we don't have oss |
| 22:10.26 | PhonicUK | aye |
| 22:11.15 | cowbot | you can echo microphone to audio output if you want to make an echobox |
| 22:11.24 | javispedro | use pulse. |
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| 22:21.46 | javispedro | parec -r | parec -p |
| 22:21.52 | javispedro | er.. |
| 22:21.55 | javispedro | parec | pacat |
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| 22:36.12 | pupnik | there's a million ways to be |
| 22:36.13 | pupnik | you know that there are... |
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| 22:55.32 | markinfo | hi. I can connect from my nokia n810 to nokia n97 over Bluetooth and surf on the internet. And now I would like to do that also from my laptop wher is installed debian-squeeze. How? |
| 22:57.08 | ShadowJK | NetworkManager doesn't do it? |
| 22:57.22 | markinfo | Serial port ist not able to connect - even it is n the profile of nokia n97. Only "Dial up networking" but it ries something and says "Connection Failed: Modem Manager did not support the connection" |
| 22:57.47 | markinfo | ShadowJK, I am Using XFCE with Blueman. |
| 22:57.55 | ShadowJK | Dial Up Networking is the correct port to use |
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| 22:58.28 | markinfo | But - dial up networking? I would expect some settings. |
| 22:58.49 | markinfo | or do I miss something in debian ? |
| 22:59.46 | ShadowJK | hm, dunno |
| 23:00.04 | ShadowJK | Yeah I would also expect some settings |
| 23:00.14 | markinfo | because n810 work wit "Connection type: Packet data" and Accespoint name:drei.at and Dial Up number. |
| 23:00.32 | markinfo | username and password is empty |
| 23:00.44 | markinfo | how it is made in OS2008? |
| 23:01.22 | ShadowJK | Well OS2008 uses icd2 and other Nokia software.. |
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| 23:02.41 | markinfo | ShadowJK, some non-free software? |
| 23:02.50 | ShadowJK | yes |
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| 23:05.41 | ShadowJK | Googling 'modemmanager N97' actually brings up a few hits to various distro bugzillas |
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| 23:10.15 | markinfo | ShadowJK, hm - interesting - there ist package "Modemmanager" package installable. |
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| 23:32.36 | c|oneman | what language are native maemo apps written in? |
| 23:34.37 | MohammadAG | C afaik |
| 23:34.39 | MohammadAG | GTK as a UI |
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| 23:43.50 | MohammadAG | umm, is there a sleep function for microseconds? |
| 23:43.55 | MohammadAG | usleep doesn't seem to be installed |
| 23:45.20 | SpeedEvil | you're including the right include? |
| 23:45.24 | SpeedEvil | unistd.h IIRC? |
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| 23:45.58 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, including? isn't it a binary? |
| 23:46.04 | c|oneman | MohammadAG: what about firefox extensions and fennec extensions? |
| 23:46.08 | SpeedEvil | umm - what are you doing? |
| 23:46.27 | MohammadAG | err, just delaying a command in a shell script |
| 23:46.33 | Gizmokid2005 | *sigh* another app unable to update on PR1.1.1... |
| 23:46.34 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 23:46.34 | MohammadAG | apparently sleep 0.1 doesn't work |
| 23:46.45 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: busybox sleep fails in so many ways |
| 23:46.58 | MohammadAG | c|oneman, no idea, ask timeless |
| 23:47.15 | MohammadAG | is it only sleep that fails in busybox? :) |
| 23:47.26 | c|oneman | I'm trying to figure out which langs I should learn for mobile development |
| 23:47.29 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:48.00 | SpeedEvil | clo: c, c++, python? |
| 23:48.44 | MohammadAG | would go for Python, it's easiest, but C/C++ are more powerful |
| 23:49.27 | MohammadAG | coreutils-gnu doesn't seem to have sleep, bah |
| 23:50.27 | MohammadAG | oh nvm, it does |
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| 23:56.03 | acidjazz | python > * |
| 23:56.08 | acidjazz | how are they more powreful |
| 23:56.29 | SpeedEvil | acidjazz: Python can be for some applications very slow. |
