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| 00:00.08 | asjWrk | Sho_: I guess they just didn't use ctcp due to flood issues, but if they did rastor...it would seem that you could pack a lot into ~300chars/line |
| 00:00.28 | Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, maybe you can help me with this.. I made an html app in Qt Creator, I set up my N900 for wireless access, just like in the readme file, but it still wont let me access the phone when compiling |
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| 00:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | err, access the phone when compiling? Sorry I don't get that part |
| 00:02.25 | Djigorifico | with Mad Developer |
| 00:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | I only know about ssh into the phone |
| 00:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | don't know madde |
| 00:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess you need to install ssh to your phone |
| 00:03.44 | Djigorifico | ssh server right? |
| 00:03.53 | Djigorifico | or client? |
| 00:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | install both - there's a methapackage |
| 00:04.30 | Djigorifico | ok i'll do it right quick |
| 00:05.19 | Djigorifico | done |
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| 00:05.23 | Djigorifico | what's next? |
| 00:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | well, you should have entered a password for root |
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| 00:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | I guess madde will ask for that |
| 00:06.31 | Djigorifico | yes i already did it for madde |
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| 00:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | installing sshd server asks you for a password |
| 00:07.56 | Djigorifico | yes I entered the password |
| 00:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | if madde tries to login to root@N900, it will need that password |
| 00:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you should try if ssh login works, from your PC. Putty e.g is suitable for that |
| 00:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | (if you're on windows) |
| 00:10.09 | Djigorifico | yes, i'm on windows |
| 00:10.20 | Djigorifico | the program is called Putty? |
| 00:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:10.27 | MohammadAG | PuTTY |
| 00:10.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, be case sensitive! |
| 00:10.38 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | gnah, windows isn't afaik ;-P |
| 00:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | though I never checked |
| 00:11.23 | Djigorifico | ok i got PuTTY opened LOL |
| 00:11.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, sad, isn't it? :) |
| 00:12.08 | Djigorifico | now that do I have to enter? |
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| 00:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | depends on how your N900 is 'connected' to your PC |
| 00:12.39 | Djigorifico | what* |
| 00:13.14 | Djigorifico | I got the usb cable and a router |
| 00:13.29 | Djigorifico | choose one! |
| 00:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | wifi router is easy |
| 00:13.47 | Djigorifico | ok |
| 00:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | check what IP the N900 got from routers DHCP |
| 00:14.24 | Djigorifico | if i remember my routers password LOL |
| 00:14.29 | Djigorifico | let me check |
| 00:15.50 | Djigorifico | I dont know the password anymore :( |
| 00:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | N900 terminal |
| 00:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | ifconfig |
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| 00:17.06 | Djigorifico | not found |
| 00:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | root |
| 00:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | you've installed rootsh? |
| 00:17.57 | Djigorifico | yes |
| 00:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | so enter 'root' |
| 00:18.15 | Djigorifico | yes |
| 00:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | id |
| 00:18.20 | Djigorifico | i think i see the ip |
| 00:18.36 | MohammadAG | helps DocScrutinizer see the other end of the N900 |
| 00:18.37 | Djigorifico | 192.168.1.103 |
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| 00:18.41 | MohammadAG | "Root Shell enabled" |
| 00:19.31 | Djigorifico | ok so i entered the ip in putty |
| 00:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | enter user 'root' |
| 00:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | connect via ssh, NOT via telnet |
| 00:20.53 | Djigorifico | yes i checked that |
| 00:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | maybe also enter your N900 root password (sorry dunno PuTTY) |
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| 00:21.23 | Djigorifico | yes it logged in |
| 00:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | cool :-) |
| 00:21.53 | Djigorifico | :) |
| 00:22.08 | Djigorifico | what's the next step? |
| 00:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | madde needs the same info - maybe less the 'root' user |
| 00:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | My wild guess - as I mentioned I never looked into madde |
| 00:22.46 | MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk |
| 00:22.49 | MohammadAG | there goes ssh |
| 00:22.50 | MohammadAG | PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 00:22.50 | MohammadAG | mesg: ttyname: Invalid argument |
| 00:23.23 | Djigorifico | yes madde uses a password generator |
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| 00:24.16 | zappa | Opinions needed: should I have a mod move my thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49562&page=2 out of brainstorm and inot a different sub forum to get more participation? Or is the whole concept a bnuch of fail and I'm on my own. |
| 00:25.15 | Djigorifico | problem is... when i run the program in Qt it wont run on the N900 |
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| 00:27.50 | asjWrk | Djigorifico: what do you "run the program in Qt" Qt's a library, you can run it on your computer, you can run in QtCreator, but you can't run it in Qt |
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| 00:29.39 | Djigorifico | asjWrk, correction, I run it in Qtcreator |
| 00:29.53 | MohammadAG | it takes less than 20 minutes to do a fresh install of Ubuntu, but 1 hour 15 minutes to upgrade |
| 00:29.54 | MohammadAG | ffs |
| 00:30.20 | asjWrk | Djigorifico: ok, do you understand cross compiling? |
| 00:31.43 | Djigorifico | asjWrk, I dont know what that is but i have the Nokia Qt SDK installed |
| 00:33.02 | asjWrk | Djigorifico: executables you compile for your desktop will not run on an ARM cpu on your phone, you must do something called cross compiling to compile a binary that will run on the phone. (and will not run on your desktop) Look up what the term means, that's a good start. |
| 00:34.46 | Djigorifico | yes I know what it means and i know that Nokia QT SDK cando that automatically |
| 00:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | zappa: the idea isn't that strange. |
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| 00:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | isn't there a MADDE tutorial and qt-heelo_world? |
| 00:38.14 | MohammadAG | Might be worth the shot... |
| 00:38.15 | MohammadAG | ~MADDE |
| 00:38.33 | MohammadAG | guess not |
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| 00:39.01 | zappa | DocScrutinizer: I agree that its not a strange idea. But I think it gets the taks acompilshed much \better than vnc can. |
| 00:39.29 | Djigorifico | why is this so difficult man |
| 00:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | well there's a basic difference between vnc and remote X, aiui |
| 00:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | for your usecase remote X seems better siuted |
| 00:41.22 | Djigorifico | I got hope for making a basic app today and lost it all in one day |
| 00:41.23 | zappa | basically i am thinking simple to use uis for n90 apps on a remote device. be it iphone or andrioid |
| 00:43.52 | Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, can you show me the ssh way? |
| 00:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: you should ask in now+10h |
| 00:44.37 | zappa | pizza..brb |
| 00:44.41 | lcuk | zappa, alternative question |
| 00:44.45 | lcuk | iphone has x11? |
| 00:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | err, I can't tell you much more about ssh than what you already managed to put to work |
| 00:44.52 | lcuk | does it have xvideo? |
| 00:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: maybe MohammadAG knows more about madde |
| 00:46.42 | MohammadAG | no idea |
| 00:46.45 | MohammadAG | sorry lol |
| 00:47.27 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, ssh maybe? |
| 00:47.34 | MohammadAG | that, I know about |
| 00:48.33 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, ok help a desperate guy send a hello-world app to his N900 |
| 00:48.43 | MohammadAG | scrolls up |
| 00:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 00:49.07 | lcuk | Djigorifico, there are lots and lots of variables |
| 00:49.29 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, from Qtcreator |
| 00:49.37 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, yeah? what's the problem? |
| 00:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | I guess there's .ssh/* missing |
| 00:49.50 | MohammadAG | public RSA key? |
| 00:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | the key |
| 00:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-30 02:23:23] <Djigorifico> yes madde uses a password generator |
| 00:50.44 | MohammadAG | not that key |
| 00:50.47 | MohammadAG | the pubkey |
| 00:51.04 | MohammadAG | WOAH, 63 minutes to reindex my media |
| 00:51.07 | MohammadAG | ~nuke tracker |
| 00:51.08 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 00:52.38 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, so what's the error? |
| 00:52.51 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, i followed this tutorial http://vimeo.com/9034487 |
| 00:53.53 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, a simple html in qt tutorial. Works perfectly in qtcreator, but now i want to send it to my N900 |
| 00:54.34 | MohammadAG | gah, upgrade's breaking everything! |
| 00:54.40 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, WinSCP |
| 00:55.20 | MohammadAG | well for windows |
| 00:55.24 | MohammadAG | nautilus for linux |
| 00:55.36 | Djigorifico | i got windows |
| 00:55.37 | MohammadAG | needs nautilus on Maemo |
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| 00:55.40 | MohammadAG | WinSCP then |
| 00:55.45 | MohammadAG | \o crashanddie |
| 00:55.53 | crashanddie | o/ |
| 00:56.17 | crashanddie | \o\ |
| 00:56.17 | crashanddie | |o| |
| 00:56.24 | MohammadAG | \o/ |
| 00:56.28 | crashanddie | #maemo /o/ |
| 00:56.30 | crashanddie | crap |
| 00:56.33 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 00:56.46 | crashanddie | the slash was messing with my client |
| 00:56.56 | crashanddie | == O/ Unknown command |
| 00:57.03 | MohammadAG | /o <-- this one :P |
| 00:57.08 | MohammadAG | double it |
| 00:57.09 | crashanddie | aye |
| 00:57.11 | crashanddie | nope |
| 00:57.12 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:57.19 | MohammadAG | /like this |
| 00:57.20 | crashanddie | == /O/ Unknown command |
| 00:57.26 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.32 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.43 | crashanddie | dude, I know what you mean |
| 00:57.45 | crashanddie | it just doesn't work :) |
| 00:57.52 | crashanddie | webchat.freenode.net ;) |
| 00:58.09 | MohammadAG | oh, I can see that :P |
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| 00:58.14 | MohammadAG | sent a CTCP |
| 00:58.16 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: however, /say /o/ works |
| 00:58.28 | crashanddie | MohammadAG [~MohammadA@62.219.120.20] requested CTCP VERSION from crashanddie: |
| 00:58.30 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, got winSCP open |
| 00:58.50 | MohammadAG | gets a proxy to hide that damn IP |
| 00:58.52 | crashanddie | I wish the usb networking worked better on windows |
| 00:59.03 | crashanddie | say, as good as how it works on osx |
| 00:59.04 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I wish windows worked |
| 00:59.24 | Djigorifico | lol |
| 00:59.28 | crashanddie | you just plug in the n900, and it goes "Hey, I detected a network interface, what IP do you want me to use? I can try to find one for you" |
| 00:59.36 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, enter your N900's IP |
| 00:59.50 | Djigorifico | user is root right? |
| 01:00.02 | crashanddie | yes |
| 01:00.10 | crashanddie | did you set root's password? |
| 01:00.12 | MohammadAG | err |
| 01:00.17 | MohammadAG | user != root |
| 01:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:00.27 | MohammadAG | oh, I think I got what he meant |
| 01:00.37 | Djigorifico | ok i'm in!! |
| 01:00.41 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: stfu, you confused twig |
| 01:00.59 | crashanddie | wow, that was a powerful insult! |
| 01:01.06 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, tsk tsk tsk, never expected that from you |
| 01:01.17 | MohammadAG | hits crashanddie in the face |
| 01:01.17 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:01.21 | crashanddie | sorry bru, didn't mean to offend you |
| 01:01.33 | MohammadAG | lmao no offense taken |
| 01:01.34 | crashanddie | test;/say test |
| 01:01.37 | asjWrk | "that's what she said" |
| 01:01.52 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, still, user != root :) |
| 01:02.00 | crashanddie | asjWrk: that was a pretty poor TSWW |
| 01:02.03 | crashanddie | err, TWSS |
| 01:02.03 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, i'm in what's the next step? |
| 01:02.11 | MohammadAG | copy the file to where you want |
| 01:02.14 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: take the gold and run |
| 01:02.30 | Djigorifico | crashanddie, LOL |
| 01:02.38 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: they're on to you, quick, nurofen zavance! |
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| 01:03.00 | MohammadAG | calls the cops |
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| 01:03.39 | crashanddie | I got in late this morning |
| 01:03.50 | crashanddie | apparently they pranked some guy early around 8 |
| 01:04.14 | crashanddie | a few guys around the building were recruited for their "physical toughness" (for lack of better description) |
| 01:04.16 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, copied it |
| 01:04.20 | crashanddie | given white coats, and sent to one guy's cubicle |
| 01:04.24 | asjWrk | crashanddie: :( |
| 01:04.36 | MohammadAG | asjWrk, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51448 tis all yours |
| 01:05.11 | MohammadAG | (thought you liked TWSS jokes - but you'll get an infraction sooner or later) |
| 01:05.28 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, is that all i have to do? |
| 01:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: chmod a+x your-file |
| 01:05.54 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, yes, SCP is simple (and very CPU intensive) |
| 01:05.59 | MohammadAG | oh that too |
| 01:06.30 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, just a note, you can't run it off MyDoc |
| 01:06.30 | crashanddie | also, don't copy it on the 32gb partition |
| 01:06.31 | MohammadAG | s |
| 01:06.34 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.36 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 01:06.54 | crashanddie | as noexec is set on it, so chmod +x file doesn't return any error, but doesn't change anything |
| 01:06.54 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, as well as the MMC, if it's VFAT |
| 01:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | you should copy it to /home/user/your-file |
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| 01:07.30 | MohammadAG | I just dump my test files in / |
| 01:07.32 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:08.00 | Djigorifico | wait a minute |
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| 01:08.16 | asjWrk | MohammadAG: heh |
| 01:08.21 | MohammadAG | what's the /cdrom for? |
| 01:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | dadaism |
| 01:09.00 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, i just put it where i see .gnome and .pulse |
| 01:09.10 | MohammadAG | /home/user then |
| 01:09.21 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> Djigorifico: chmod a+x your-file |
| 01:09.40 | Djigorifico | how do you do that? |
| 01:09.43 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.52 | Djigorifico | I |
| 01:10.08 | MohammadAG | /chmod a+x filename |
| 01:10.24 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, omg, *fires up the camera* |
| 01:10.28 | MohammadAG | do I just hit record? |
| 01:11.10 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, so i have to rename it? |
| 01:11.18 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 01:11.29 | MohammadAG | just replace filename with your file's name |
| 01:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: N900 x terminal -> root; chmod a+x ~user/myFile |
| 01:11.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he can do it in WinSCP too |
| 01:12.03 | Djigorifico | ooohh NOW I GET IT |
| 01:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | amAAAAzing |
| 01:12.17 | Djigorifico | remember i'm just a beginner |
| 01:12.18 | MohammadAG | rofl |
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| 01:12.41 | ds3 | is the back one for DVDs and the front one for CDs? |
| 01:13.24 | Djigorifico | MohammadAG, so how do i do it in winscp? |
| 01:13.35 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, there's a terminal icon in the top row icons |
| 01:13.51 | MohammadAG | Djigorifico, give me a min, rebooting into 10.04, if Grub didn't get f'd |
| 01:14.09 | Djigorifico | ok |
| 01:15.53 | MohammadAG | just checked menu.lst, seems ok |
| 01:15.56 | MohammadAG | brb |
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| 01:16.33 | Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, so i did the chmod a+x |
| 01:17.40 | Djigorifico | what's next? |
| 01:17.49 | MohammadAG | run the app |
| 01:18.23 | Djigorifico | where do i find it? |
| 01:19.01 | Djigorifico | i guess i put the wrong files.. |
| 01:19.35 | MohammadAG | cd into /home/user and ./filename to run it |
| 01:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | su - user |
| 01:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | ./myFile |
| 01:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | enjoy errors |
| 01:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | exit |
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| 01:24.01 | Djigorifico | i think i missed a step |
| 01:24.25 | Djigorifico | before i put the file on the device |
| 01:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | the crosscompiling |
| 01:24.30 | Djigorifico | YEESS! |
| 01:24.31 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> enjoy errors lol |
| 01:25.24 | Djigorifico | the crosscompiling is the crucial step which no one wants to teach me |
| 01:26.37 | crashanddie | fetches a shotgun |
| 01:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's what MADDE is all about |
| 01:26.58 | MohammadAG | recoils crashanddie's shotgun |
| 01:27.06 | crashanddie | kicks down the door that leads to tmo, starts shooting at every little whining cunt on there |
| 01:27.30 | MohammadAG | shoots at Javelin at tmo |
| 01:27.35 | GAN900 | crashanddie, hope you brought a lot of ammo. |
| 01:27.47 | crashanddie | GAN900: impulse 101 |
| 01:28.06 | ds3 | sees the bullets bending around and screwing in disgust |
| 01:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | you're early with your daily tmo bashing |
| 01:28.36 | Djigorifico | i still don't get this |
| 01:28.36 | crashanddie | I don't bash it daily |
| 01:28.38 | crashanddie | Haven't bashed it in nearly a week |
| 01:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | lol, ok you bashed particular threads |
| 01:29.21 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: what are you trying to achieve |
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| 01:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | hello world |
| 01:29.33 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: RESPECT MA OTORETA! |
| 01:30.34 | Djigorifico | crashanddie, to put a helloworld app on my n900 |
| 01:30.43 | Djigorifico | i still have to do the cross compiling |
| 01:30.44 | crashanddie | ok, what language? |
| 01:30.46 | crashanddie | what OS? |
| 01:30.53 | Djigorifico | windows |
| 01:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | qt madde on win |
| 01:30.58 | MohammadAG | cross compiling is done in the SDK |
| 01:31.21 | crashanddie | language???? |
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| 01:31.25 | Djigorifico | it's supposed to |
| 01:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | qt? |
| 01:31.33 | Djigorifico | qt |
| 01:31.35 | crashanddie | QT isn't a language for fuck's sake |
| 01:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | so C++? |
| 01:31.44 | Djigorifico | english |
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| 01:31.55 | crashanddie | python? C? C++? |
| 01:31.56 | crashanddie | java? |
| 01:32.01 | crashanddie | perl? |
| 01:32.06 | crashanddie | ruby? |
| 01:32.10 | crashanddie | fortran? |
| 01:32.10 | Djigorifico | html C hybrid i guess |
| 01:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | generic qt-creator |
| 01:32.22 | crashanddie | facepalms |
| 01:32.41 | Djigorifico | http://vimeo.com/9034487 <------ this |
| 01:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | so prolly C++ |
| 01:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | if anything at all |
| 01:33.31 | ljp | some people think Qt is a language |
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| 01:34.29 | crashanddie | btw, that's going straight to bash.org |
| 01:35.02 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: is PR1.2 out yet? |
| 01:35.20 | crashanddie | GAN900: is PR1.2 out yet? |
| 01:35.31 | nax3000 | yes |
| 01:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | kicks crashanddie |
| 01:35.36 | nax3000 | I'm installing it right now |
| 01:35.49 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, if only you read Talk everyday. |
| 01:36.02 | GAN900 | Then you, too, could bash it everyday. |
| 01:36.04 | nax3000 | so long, thanks for all the fish. |
| 01:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | I *never* read tmo |
| 01:36.23 | GAN900 | crashanddie, never |
| 01:36.30 | MohammadAG | except that OTG thread :P |
| 01:36.32 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, 'xactly |
| 01:37.02 | crashanddie | There's, at this very moment, maybe a handful of good threads |
| 01:37.11 | crashanddie | all the rest should be locked and sent into the archives |
| 01:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | if only they had a big red light to spot them |
| 01:37.33 | Djigorifico | crashanddie, C++ |
| 01:38.15 | GAN900 | It's interesting how much the useful traffic has dropped since MeeGo hit. |
| 01:38.33 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, http://mwkn.net |
| 01:39.22 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: OK. I have never used MADDE, so I would recommend that you get a Linux virtual machine (VMWare Player with Ubuntu 9.x) and install the Maemo SDK on there |
| 01:39.32 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: that is the most robust and proven solution at this point |
| 01:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: hmm? Think I occasionally lok at that blog |
| 01:39.54 | Djigorifico | got it |
| 01:39.54 | GAN900 | I like how's it's effectively "Two of your council persons make semi-dubtle digs against Nokia while summarizing Maemo news" |
| 01:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | look |
| 01:40.07 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: not a blog |
| 01:40.11 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, just occasionally? :( |
| 01:40.22 | GAN900 | s/dubtle/subtle/ |
| 01:40.29 | Djigorifico | wait wait |
| 01:40.42 | Djigorifico | maemo sdk or ubuntu? |
| 01:40.43 | crashanddie | GAN900: seriously? That's what they say about MWKN? |
| 01:41.18 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: ubuntu is a linux distribution, based on Debian. Maemo SDK requires a debian-based Linux distribution in order to function properly |
| 01:41.30 | GAN900 | crashanddie, who says? |
| 01:41.34 | GAN900 | I said that. |
| 01:41.36 | GAN900 | Just now. |
| 01:41.53 | crashanddie | GAN900: why the quotes then? |
| 01:42.15 | Djigorifico | crashanddie, i got the ubuntu on Virtualbox |
| 01:42.29 | GAN900 | crashanddie, style thing? |
| 01:42.37 | crashanddie | k |
| 01:42.40 | lcuk | Djigorifico, go onto the qt site and follow the installation guides and make sure you have the latest qt creator sdk which was announced just this week to have inbuilt support - and not by following a 3 month old video |
| 01:44.05 | crashanddie | lcuk: seriously, your lack of a decent sleeping pattern is somewhat inspiring, but really just insane. |
| 01:44.19 | Djigorifico | lcuk, on ubuntu or windows? |
| 01:44.29 | lcuk | i agree |
| 01:44.47 | lcuk | Djigorifico, i dunno, go find out and follow the qt guides |
| 01:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: :-P |
| 01:45.59 | lcuk | crashanddie, jacob has spent most of the evening doubled over yowling in pain :( i couldnt sleep even if i wanted to hes been sat with me |
| 01:46.05 | crashanddie | GAN900: well, you read my take on MWKN, I think it's a shame, but I think we may have rushed the first releases |
| 01:46.22 | crashanddie | lcuk: damn, what's up with the little man? |
| 01:46.32 | lcuk | wind |
| 01:46.34 | Djigorifico | why is everyone sending me to places but i never get stuff done? |
| 01:46.34 | lcuk | lots of wind |
| 01:46.38 | GAN900 | crashanddie, not sure I get that. What takes? |
| 01:46.54 | lcuk | Djigorifico, inbuilt support is essentially brand new |
| 01:46.55 | crashanddie | GAN900: my explanation on the MWKN ML |
| 01:47.09 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: because you should stop asking and start searching/finding? |
| 01:47.26 | GAN900 | crashanddie, ah |
| 01:47.31 | lcuk | working from windows to develop qt apps (MADDE) is new also, it may have growling bears |
| 01:47.47 | crashanddie | I wouldn't trust it |
| 01:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | remembers attracting massive fire when rising identical concerns at #meego -- "wait until initial release, then apply patches. You may even try to cancel subsystems in favour of a better architecture. But only after the wrong thing got published" |
| 01:47.53 | lcuk | its on windows - up until this point to develop maemo you basically had to be running linux |
| 01:47.54 | Djigorifico | i thought this channel was for help |
| 01:48.12 | lcuk | and what have they spent the last 5 hours trying to do? |
| 01:48.13 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: it is help, not spoonfeeding though |
| 01:48.36 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: so helping you setup a way to send files to your N900 wasn't help? |
| 01:49.09 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: explaining to you how you need specific flags on files before you can execute them, explaining that you should avoid the common pitfall of putting that file on the 32gb partition wasn't help? |
| 01:49.18 | Djigorifico | i dunno.. |
| 01:49.26 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: your lack of understanding, and your lack of knowing how to ask questions isn't our fault |
| 01:49.44 | lcuk | Djigorifico, we *want* you to win - i can give you a single file now that runs pyqt that you can use your winscp to edit and run software immediately on your n900 |
| 01:50.22 | crashanddie | and replying "HTML C Hybrid" when being asked what question just tells me you need to go back to reading a bunch of material before we even try to help you, for we will make assumptions about your knowledge that will a/ confuse you, b/ disappoint you, c/ infurriate you. |
| 01:50.27 | lcuk | but i cant configure qt creator and your network to make some random compiled code run for you |
| 01:50.47 | crashanddie | </rant> |
| 01:51.33 | Djigorifico | hmm maybe i know too little to be in this channel |
| 01:51.38 | crashanddie | If you want to go the proven way, the one I was talking about, one google gave me this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution |
| 01:52.08 | crashanddie | another google, about madde and windows, gave me this http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows |
| 01:53.08 | crashanddie | And then, after lcuk mentionned the new release, I googled a bit, found Nokia's press release, and found two links in it |
| 01:53.14 | crashanddie | pointing to http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ and http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools |
| 01:54.00 | crashanddie | Hope this helps, |
| 01:54.01 | swc|666 | meh, vim ftw :) |
| 01:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I'm amazed of your patience today :-P Seems tmo bashing helps a lot to keep your mood up |
| 01:54.54 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: It's my last day at work \o/ |
| 01:55.20 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I'm going home tomorrow \o/ \o/ \o/ |
| 01:55.27 | Djigorifico | i never get those when i google |
| 01:55.37 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: use specific keywords |
| 01:56.38 | Djigorifico | but i always get those linux stuff that i cant work with |
| 01:57.18 | crashanddie | Djigorifico: for those, I googled "maemo qt creator windows" (1st hit), or "maemo sdk installation" (3rd hit), or "nokia qt mobile" (4th hit) |
| 01:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | and btw maemo *is*lnux |
| 01:58.39 | crashanddie | After a while you just start recognising patterns in the URLs. If it's just "qt.nokia.com", you know it's going to be advertising and marketing crap. However if it's "forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/...", well, you can safely assume you're going in the right direction |
| 01:58.51 | Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, I know that but i have windows running on my pc |
| 01:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | so if you feel venturous you may try to use windows for developer platform. But you inevitably have to cope with linux target platform |
| 01:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | and all the knowledge needed is about maemo aka linux |
| 02:00.14 | crashanddie | switches to company VPN, might get disconnected |
| 02:00.16 | Djigorifico | how long have you guys been working with linux? |
| 02:00.29 | asjWrk | 16 years |
| 02:00.35 | crashanddie | 15 years, going 16 |
| 02:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | 12 years? nah 15 prolly |
| 02:00.42 | MohammadAG | as old as I am then :P |
| 02:01.05 | asjWrk | MohammadAG: Children are meant to be seen, not heard. ;) |
| 02:01.21 | crashanddie | s/seen/beaten/ |
| 02:01.42 | MohammadAG | shoots crashanddie |
| 02:02.13 | Djigorifico | hmmm |
| 02:02.22 | Djigorifico | i'm 20 years old |
| 02:02.22 | GeneralAntilles | 2005. :P |
| 02:02.53 | asjWrk | though, I'm fairly certain you don't need 15 years experiance with linux to write for maemo |
| 02:03.16 | crashanddie | nor 15 years experience either. |
| 02:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | but I had a gentle start on linux, coming from AmigaOS |
| 02:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | and NeXT |
| 02:03.40 | asjWrk | DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry |
| 02:04.35 | Djigorifico | i had ubuntu a year ago..didnt like it |
| 02:05.20 | MohammadAG | Night #maemo o/ |
| 02:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 02:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | nite moh |
| 02:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | tzz |
| 02:06.47 | Djigorifico | but ok guys ill read the qt tutorials tomorrow and ill get back with you |
| 02:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 02:16.33 | yigal | other than the SU-8W are there any other external keyboards that work with the n900? |
| 02:19.06 | yigal | I'm just saying, calling the n900 a portable computer is rather silly if a keyboard meant for 10 fingers cannot be used with it, imo |
| 02:19.28 | asjWrk | who said a computer required a keyboard? |
| 02:19.32 | swc|666 | exactly |
| 02:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | yigal: anyway all reports about working external kbds highly appreciated |
| 02:20.38 | crashanddie | Apple BT keyboard doesn't work |
| 02:21.04 | yigal | asjWrk: a computer doesn't require a keyboard. I require a keyboard to work comfortably with a computer |
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| 02:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 02:21.45 | asjWrk | yigal: nah, you do it every day |
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| 02:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | wait until some crack manages to enable hostmode in friggin musb_hdrc kernel driver. Then simply hook up arbitrary USB-kbd |
| 02:22.58 | yigal | yes, that is the only thing that is holding me back from an n900 purchase |
| 02:23.20 | asjWrk | boggles |
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| 02:25.38 | yigal | my fingers are perhaps a bit faster than the average but they aren't fast enough to use a thumb keyboard to program on. |
| 02:26.14 | Termana_n810 | yello |
| 02:26.22 | yigal | green |
| 02:26.44 | yigal | blue |
| 02:26.45 | yigal | indigo |
| 02:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen people twittering from congresses faster than the speakers talked - right GAN900 ? |
| 02:26.47 | yigal | violet |
| 02:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hell yes. |
| 02:27.24 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: it just seem ergonomically reasonable to require the thumbs to do all the work |
| 02:27.37 | yigal | s/+un/reasonable |
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| 02:28.35 | crashanddie | yigal: s/reas/unreas/ |
| 02:28.47 | crashanddie | yigal: then get a netbook or laptop |
| 02:29.00 | crashanddie | yigal: don't tell me you didn't know of the form factor when you bought it |
| 02:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | as the magic box with inside twice the outside isn't invented yet |
| 02:29.42 | crashanddie | Actually, it already has, but we're just not aware of it |
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| 02:30.04 | yigal | crashanddie: I haven't bought it, I'm waiting to buy it when an external keyboard is better supported |
| 02:30.21 | crashanddie | Proof, The 10th Doctor being nicknamed "David Ten-inch", even though he always wears pretty tight trousers |
| 02:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
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| 02:30.50 | yigal | though I'm uncertain as to why I should respond to you, as you obviously aren't reading what I write |
| 02:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 02:31.30 | yigal | I'm getting emotional |
| 02:32.19 | crashanddie | yigal: any particular reason you're here then? |
| 02:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'm feeling bored, which usually is the first tstae of feeling tired |
| 02:32.45 | crashanddie | yigal: I'm afraid only very little BT keyboards are supported. You've asked a question, we've tried to answer to the best of our knowledge |
| 02:33.07 | yigal | crashanddie: yes, to gain an idea of the current state of the support on the n900 for an external keyboard |
| 02:33.26 | crashanddie | well, there's the Nokia one |
| 02:33.31 | crashanddie | USB keyboards are out of the question |
| 02:33.37 | yigal | after reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33397&highlight=keyboard I got an idea |
| 02:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | why?? |
| 02:33.52 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: no support for host |
| 02:33.57 | crashanddie | and sadly people haven't been buying keyboards prior to knowing they are compatible, so everyone sticks to the nokia |
| 02:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | not YET |
| 02:34.25 | yigal | so when 1.2 is out I'll get an n900 :D, rofl |
| 02:34.33 | Macer | so. anybody find amber lamps yet? |
| 02:34.35 | yigal | perhaps |
| 02:34.45 | crashanddie | yeah yeah, but that's like saying: "I can't fly my car to Europe" "Why?" "Because flying cars don't exist" "NOT YET!!" |
| 02:34.50 | Macer | yigal ... get it now ;) |
| 02:34.59 | Macer | n900 is the best damn phone i have ever had |
| 02:35.19 | Macer | the update is free :-P haha |
| 02:35.27 | crashanddie | ever had a saint phone? |
| 02:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: flying cars exist. So does hostmode |
| 02:35.43 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah. didn't they make an actual flying car? |
| 02:35.50 | Macer | it was a fixed wing but it works :) |
| 02:36.01 | crashanddie | bollocks |
| 02:36.16 | crashanddie | flying cars need neutron shift-based technology |
| 02:36.21 | crashanddie | until we have that, no flying cars |
| 02:36.28 | Macer | haha |
| 02:36.32 | yigal | why not, it depends on the definition of a car |
| 02:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode just needs a driver, really simple huh? |
| 02:36.56 | Macer | well. i suppose the flying car that was made is more like a car/airplane hybrid |
| 02:37.02 | yigal | http://www.terrafugia.com/ |
| 02:37.08 | crashanddie | next you're going to tell me that "flying cars are just waiting for a driver" |
| 02:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | comparing to neutron-shift |
| 02:37.18 | crashanddie | wait, that sounds wrong |
| 02:37.30 | yigal | DocScrutinizer: what about neutron-shift? |
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| 02:37.57 | Macer | yigal: yeah. that's hte one i remmeber |
| 02:37.57 | Macer | heh |
| 02:38.08 | Macer | they need to find a better place to put those wings ;) |
| 02:38.24 | crashanddie | "More than a decade ago Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond and Daniel Greenberger had independently predicted that a neutron beam passing through a slit would experience a phase shift in its direction of motion." Even though I have read this over and over, I still believe this is porn disguised as geek talk. |
| 02:38.28 | Macer | you would think they'd havce figured out a way to fold them flush onto the hood of the car |
| 02:39.22 | yigal | anyways dudes must be off, I have my netbook and G1 for now hopefully external keyboard support, by some means, will be implemented, as soon as it is I'll get me the n900 |
| 02:40.29 | yigal | crashanddie: it was brought up in my 1st year graduate qm class I took last semester, oh wait that makes me a geek, damn |
| 02:40.55 | crashanddie | don't worry |
| 02:40.55 | crashanddie | nope |
| 02:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | 's going to kill bme now, and then Mentor for the abysmal musb driver crap |
| 02:41.01 | crashanddie | that just makes you a nerd :P |
| 02:41.43 | yigal | ok ty crashanddie that makes me feel better |
| 02:41.57 | crashanddie | I try |
| 02:42.05 | yigal | laters |
| 02:42.12 | Macer | i think that thing is more of an airplane :) |
| 02:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | /mode +q #maemo * |
| 02:42.43 | Macer | 27' wingspan is too wide to simply cut people off and take off into the sky |
| 02:43.17 | Macer | although i'd love to try it out.. just kind of take off in the middle of chicago :) that would be a sight to see but i'm sure would be kind of difficult with the buildings and bridges and wires etc |
| 02:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | A british guy built a trike with street aproval, with a prop and a paraglide |
| 02:44.26 | crashanddie | did you guys read about the guy who got lost on the thames? |
| 02:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember a mini also |
| 02:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | same concept |
| 02:45.02 | crashanddie | "A man who thought he was sailing along the coast of southern England had to be rescued by emergency services after his motor boat ran out of fuel while repeatedly circling a small island in the River Thames estuary." |
| 02:45.13 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i wonder if you can extend/retract the wings on the move |
| 02:45.17 | Macer | now that would be worth it :) |
| 02:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | of the paraglide? |
| 02:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19373 |
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| 02:49.50 | Macer | no |
| 02:49.53 | Macer | the tranisition |
| 02:49.57 | Macer | :) |
| 02:50.02 | Macer | i'd buy one if it could do it on the move |
| 02:50.17 | Macer | i could see myself taking off whil driving down the highway if nobody is around |
| 02:50.25 | Macer | especially if it lets me get away with going 115mph |
| 02:52.46 | Macer | and if 115mph is what they are rated at now i'm sure some plans to make them faster are in the works |
| 02:52.51 | Macer | anyways. good night. sleepy. |
| 02:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | n8-00 |
| 02:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | or |
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| 03:56.44 | crashanddie | Should be here: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf |
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| 05:16.55 | misc-- | hi all, does anyone know of a way to write an sms message from an ssh session/terminal that's connected to the n900? |
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| 05:24.24 | asjWrk | misc--: google it, there's dbus examples |
| 05:25.36 | misc-- | ah ok. I did search high and low for 900 sms but not with dbus... haven't really looked too much into dbus but will check it out. Thanks |
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| 05:37.54 | RST38h | Moo, everybody |
| 05:39.07 | pronto | rawr you |
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| 05:50.34 | tybollt | so crashie said friday |
| 05:50.38 | tybollt | in hk |
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| 05:57.16 | frals | opdf2: yepp |
| 05:58.45 | opdf2 | frals: im connected to wifi right now. fmms has havoc mode. i sent myself an mms from another phone and it received it fine. i try to sent one out but it wont. It will if i connected to my internet apn |
| 05:58.48 | opdf2 | is that intended? |
| 05:59.15 | opdf2 | basically i see havoc mode working when receiving but not sending |
| 05:59.30 | frals | uh thats pretty weird |
| 05:59.43 | frals | could you mail me /tmp/fmms.log? fmms@frals.se |
| 06:01.28 | opdf2 | k sent |
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| 06:06.24 | frals | uh seems weird, but havoc mode is an ugly hack so cant really say what goes wrong atm |
| 06:06.43 | frals | as im not logging what the shellscript does atm ;( |
| 06:06.52 | opdf2 | i see that okay |
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| 06:18.33 | wazd_n900 | seriously |
| 06:18.55 | wazd_n900 | i've missed my train :) |
| 06:19.37 | tybollt | fly |
| 06:19.39 | tekojo | stuck in the FRUCT semoinar |
| 06:19.46 | cehteh | me not :P |
| 06:20.33 | cehteh | is on the way to utrecht LAC |
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| 06:21.40 | wazd_n900 | bought another one on 3pm :) |
| 06:21.54 | tybollt | bought another train? |
| 06:21.54 | crashanddie | oh yeah: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/signlanguage/7646956/Sign-Language-week-98.html?image=10 |
| 06:22.05 | tybollt | you some kinda oligarkh wazd? |
| 06:22.50 | wazd_n900 | tybollt: yeah, I'm buying trains :) |
| 06:23.02 | wazd_n900 | tyboll |
| 06:23.09 | wazd_n900 | sht |
| 06:23.15 | Pforce | :D |
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| 06:24.06 | tybollt | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/6193716/Sign-Language-special-restaurant-menus.html |
| 06:24.13 | wazd_n900 | may I use e63 keyboard with n900 please?) |
| 06:24.18 | tybollt | I was in egypt a week ago |
| 06:24.32 | KnightStalker | I have random issues with missing applications... |
| 06:24.37 | tybollt | they had 'foul' on the breakfast menu every day... some kinda eggplant something |
| 06:25.10 | crashanddie | tybollt: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01360/sign-stairs_1360515i.jpg |
| 06:25.11 | KnightStalker | application manager wont install something because another application is missing,but when I try to install it via xterminal it says I already have the newest version |
| 06:25.22 | KnightStalker | any body knows what exactly is the issue? |
| 06:25.37 | mece | hello |
| 06:25.43 | KnightStalker | mece,welcome back <3 |
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| 06:26.05 | mece | KnightStalker, if you're referring to qt4 apps then it's the pr1.2 problem. |
| 06:26.08 | mece | Which app is it? |
| 06:26.12 | tybollt | crashanddie: :) |
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| 06:26.20 | KnightStalker | QtIrreco... :O |
| 06:26.24 | KnightStalker | its qt... |
| 06:26.27 | mece | yeah.. |
| 06:26.39 | KnightStalker | any one filled a bug report? |
| 06:26.41 | mece | you could install the previous version |
| 06:26.47 | KnightStalker | I want to vote for it :P |
| 06:26.49 | mece | KnightStalker, it's not a bug really. |
| 06:27.04 | KnightStalker | oh?you mean downgrading to pr1.1? |
| 06:27.07 | KnightStalker | how? |
| 06:27.22 | mece | Knightstalker, hold on. I'll check. |
| 06:27.27 | KnightStalker | Thanks |
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| 06:27.45 | wazd_n900 | btw, any pr 1.2 news? ;P |
| 06:28.10 | wazd_n900 | don't kick me! :) |
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| 06:28.54 | mece | ~pr1.2 |
| 06:28.55 | infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. |
| 06:28.59 | mece | :) |
| 06:29.32 | KnightStalker | " pr1.2 is not here yet" o.O |
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| 06:29.42 | KnightStalker | mece? :O |
| 06:29.47 | KnightStalker | so how can I have it? :P |
| 06:30.40 | wazd_n900 | stupid russian keyboard layout... |
| 06:30.46 | tybollt | mece: hey I was wondering about this new firmw... ;) |
| 06:31.46 | misc-- | is there a way to get an on-screen T9 keyboard layout happening when sending sms? =) |
| 06:31.52 | crashanddie | Now that's what I call a "dead end" http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01299/sign-cemetary_1299779i.jpg |
| 06:32.29 | KnightStalker | lol |
| 06:32.50 | crashanddie | KnightStalker: you can't |
| 06:33.38 | KnightStalker | well I know that |
| 06:33.45 | KnightStalker | but the problem is this => "<mece> KnightStalker, if you're referring to qt4 apps then it's the pr1.2 problem." |
| 06:33.46 | KnightStalker | :\ |
| 06:33.52 | KnightStalker | I can not install qt4 apps either |
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| 06:34.46 | crashanddie | KnightStalker: welcome to our "knightmare" |
| 06:34.48 | crashanddie | :P |
| 06:34.53 | KnightStalker | o.O |
| 06:34.54 | KnightStalker | lol |
| 06:35.13 | crashanddie | and you can stop using stupid smileys all over the place |
| 06:35.31 | KnightStalker | hmm,they are not stupid |
| 06:35.49 | TigerTael | Emoticons. |
| 06:35.59 | crashanddie | s/stupid/unnecessary/ |
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| 06:36.54 | TigerTael | Will that work for me as well if I tried to correct somebody elses sentence? |
| 06:36.57 | KnightStalker | better |
| 06:37.05 | mece | damn.. this is not so simple |
| 06:37.15 | crashanddie | TigerTael: nope, only works for your own last sentence, can only do it once, too |
| 06:37.16 | KnightStalker | but it wasn't a "spelling" issue you made |
| 06:37.32 | crashanddie | "spelling issue" |
| 06:37.33 | crashanddie | nuff said |
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| 06:38.12 | TigerTael | crashanddie, ah, thanks. It's cool, but I would really want to make it work universally if I was coding it. ;/ |
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| 06:38.26 | crashanddie | TigerTael: nha, it would ruin everyone's conversation tbh |
| 06:38.45 | crashanddie | test test test |
| 06:38.47 | crashanddie | s/test/tested/ |
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| 06:38.53 | crashanddie | test test test |
| 06:38.55 | crashanddie | s/test/tested/g |
| 06:39.05 | crashanddie | test |
| 06:39.06 | TigerTael | Oho... |
| 06:39.09 | crashanddie | s/test/TEST/ |
| 06:39.14 | crashanddie | test |
| 06:39.18 | crashanddie | s/TEST/TEST/ |
| 06:39.21 | crashanddie | test |
| 06:39.25 | crashanddie | s/TEST/TEST/i |
| 06:39.33 | crashanddie | fail |
| 06:39.37 | crashanddie | ~useless |
| 06:39.38 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 06:40.24 | crashanddie | TigerTael: quite frankly, infobot is probably one of the better drops out there. Fast, low memory footprint, and pretty damn smart |
| 06:40.37 | TigerTael | crashanddie, it is pretty neat. |
| 06:40.53 | crashanddie | ~status |
| 06:40.53 | infobot | Since Thu Apr 22 05:50:03 2010, there have been 25 modifications, 429 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 243 commands. I have been awake for 8d 50m 50s this session, and currently reference 116983 factoids. I'm using about 22436 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 22681.14/631.52 child 0.09/0.04 |
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| 06:41.32 | crashanddie | ~channels |
| 06:41.41 | crashanddie | ~chaninfo |
| 06:41.41 | infobot | I'm on 107 channels: #debian/889, #maemo/515, #meego/365, #kde/347, #gsoc/311, #asterisk/243, #openmoko/172, #wowace/149, #webos-internals/134, #oe/133, #wowuidev/117, #sc2mapster/115, #wowhead/100, #openmoko-cdevel/99, #htc-linux/87, #utah/63, #tomcat/57, #edev/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/53, #curseforge/49, #uclibc/47, #wowwiki/47, #slug/46, #elinux/40, #gllug/35, #uphpu/33, #/32, #norganna/32, #utos/30, #openjtag/25, #brlcad/24, #handhelds/23, ... |
| 06:41.41 | infobot | i've cached 5030 users, 3676 unique users, distributed over 107 channels. |
| 06:42.38 | crashanddie | not too bad for 20 megs of ram |
| 06:42.50 | TigerTael | Agreed. |
| 06:43.24 | crashanddie | interestingly, that's 1500 users who share some channels |
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| 06:45.10 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
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| 06:45.21 | timeless_mbp | having two n900s stacked w/ alarms set for the same time can be interesting |
| 06:45.26 | timeless_mbp | i got an audio cascade |
| 06:45.30 | mece | KnightStalker, disable extras-devel and install qtirreco. |
| 06:45.33 | Corsac | did they vibrate in resonance? |
| 06:46.07 | aSIMULAtor | did we get the same alarm reminder :P |
| 06:46.18 | KnightStalker | mece,okay,thx |
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| 06:49.01 | mece | Knightstalker, you need extras-testing enabled though. |
| 06:49.19 | KnightStalker | k |
| 06:49.51 | tybollt | hoareyou |
| 06:49.55 | tybollt | ~whoareyou |
| 06:50.05 | tybollt | ~who |
| 06:50.36 | mece | Knightstalker, The latest version, in extras-devel will need pr1.2. Or you could download source from devel, change deps from libqt4-core to libqt4-maemo5-core in the control file, build deb and install on device. |
| 06:51.40 | KnightStalker | Well,I just gavfe an example on something which doesn't work because of qt :p |
| 06:51.43 | KnightStalker | gave* |
| 06:51.52 | KnightStalker | I thought there might be easier steps |
| 06:52.35 | KnightStalker | anyways,how good do phototranslator work? |
| 06:53.03 | KnightStalker | brb |
| 06:54.23 | zokier | KnightStalker, yeah, sorry about that qtirreco mess. qt4.6 version shouldn't been uploaded to repositories |
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| 06:54.42 | mece | zokier, you're the maintainer? |
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| 06:55.08 | zokier | mece, i try not to be, but i'm involved, yes |
| 06:55.14 | tybollt | is uploading things to repos a one way street? |
| 06:55.29 | mece | tybollt, well you can always replace the stuff you just uploaded. |
| 06:55.31 | tybollt | there is no way of taking down a faulty (or as in this case - not ready to be released) pkg? |
| 06:56.00 | tybollt | mece: heh I guess |
| 06:56.24 | tybollt | guess zokier can do that then |
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| 06:56.34 | mece | zokier, any chance you could make a temporary version that depends on libqt4-maemo5-* instead of libqt4-* until we get pr-12? |
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| 06:56.54 | mece | zokier, all you really need is replace the deps in control, I believe. |
| 06:58.04 | zokier | i don't have access to repository yet, but i'll forward that request to the actual maintainers |
| 06:58.14 | mece | zokier, ok, thanks. |
| 06:58.31 | mece | in the meantime, I could actually build from source one and put it on my own server if people really need it. |
| 06:59.22 | mece | if I remembered to close my session at home. My buildbox is in x86 mode, and I can't switch unless I close the previous sessions. |
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| 07:00.01 | crashanddie | mece: kill your friend |
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| 07:00.12 | sejo | hey has anyone written a howto yet for creating a python package on the sdk? |
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| 07:00.27 | mece | sejo, no, but I can tell you. |
| 07:00.27 | sejo | trying to find one but none explain the process completely |
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| 07:00.43 | mece | sejo, using pypackager. |
| 07:00.54 | sejo | pypackager cool I'll google it |
| 07:01.03 | mece | it's in the repos. |
| 07:01.21 | sejo | great! |
| 07:01.24 | sejo | thx! |
| 07:01.32 | mece | sejo, I can tell you how to build the package if you want. |
| 07:02.54 | sejo | mece found this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=74887&postcount=6 |
| 07:04.00 | mece | sejo, yep. you also need to make the actual script. I'll look up a sample for you. |
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| 07:04.50 | sejo | thx mece! |
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| 07:08.32 | mece | sejo, http://pastebin.com/WPxLzaKc |
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| 07:08.48 | mece | sejo modify that to match your program |
| 07:09.41 | sejo | ~thx checking it now! |
| 07:09.43 | mece | then you create the whole tree under src/ with all the files in the right places. Including .desktop files and whatnot. |
| 07:10.14 | mece | if you need optification through symlinking, you can make symlinks in debian/postinst file. |
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| 07:11.02 | sejo | ach cool |
| 07:11.22 | sejo | need to vrite a generation script first that will move them correctly |
| 07:11.47 | mece | sejo, well that's what the script I posted does. |
| 07:11.59 | mece | it creates the debian/rules and control |
| 07:12.12 | sejo | also I have some modules it needs should I first install it with a setup.py? or set my pythonpath in the bin? |
| 07:12.24 | mece | sejo, and in that script it moves the file to their correct places, following the pattern showed in the tree under src/ |
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| 07:12.56 | mece | sejo, hmm.. if they are small you can just install them into the correct place. |
| 07:12.57 | sejo | ok thx |
| 07:13.08 | sejo | let's test :p |
| 07:13.16 | mece | sejo, :) |
| 07:13.48 | mece | sejo, if you want the debian files visible, just unpack the tar the script creates, and you can modify them manually. |
| 07:14.25 | mece | sejo, you can do this on the device btw. you don't need a computer. |
| 07:15.02 | sejo | cool i'll be doing it in the sdk probably |
| 07:15.11 | mece | sejo, perhaps safer at first :) |
| 07:15.13 | crashanddie | logging off from work for the last time |
| 07:15.13 | crashanddie | bye |
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| 07:16.28 | mece | sejo, I have a clone of my git repos on the device, so I can update packages to extras-devel while on the move :) Only python stuff though. I don't have compilers on the device. |
| 07:16.44 | sejo | mece: that is actually a good idea |
| 07:16.53 | mece | sejo, git ftw! |
| 07:17.02 | sejo | just created a new repo only for the maemo app and moving the suff according |
| 07:17.09 | mece | all you need is git-core and pypackager |
| 07:17.09 | sejo | yeah I'm a git lover also |
| 07:19.16 | mece | sejo, cloning my first git repo to the device was one of those "Holy fuck this is awesome!" moment's with the N900 :) |
| 07:20.09 | mece | s/fuck/frak |
| 07:20.31 | mece | ~curse infobot |
| 07:20.31 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! |
| 07:20.32 | sejo | mece with me it was the native irssi! |
| 07:20.48 | sejo | lol |
| 07:21.16 | mece | sejo :) heh, Irssi was the first program I compiled for the N900. It wasn't in the repos yet then. |
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| 07:24.47 | sejo | thank you for that mece! |
| 07:24.52 | sejo | used it a lot already! |
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| 07:26.34 | mece | sejo, well I didn't compile that one. I just compiled and installed for myself :P Someone else upped to the repos. |
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| 07:30.47 | sejo | hehe |
| 07:31.09 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:35.36 | sejo | mece: can I put a svg logo in the packager script? |
| 07:36.47 | mece | sejo.. umm. I dont think so. not sure. Try it. |
| 07:37.07 | mece | I don't know if you can create xpm from svg with that script |
| 07:37.27 | sejo | well I can test :p |
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| 07:43.34 | sejo | mece: pypackager only in extras-devel? |
| 07:43.47 | mece | sejo, I think so. It's for developing ;) |
| 07:44.25 | sejo | mece: hmm my sdk install doesn't find it |
| 07:44.27 | sejo | debugs |
| 07:44.44 | mece | sejo, add devel to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:47.15 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:47.41 | sejo | mece I added deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 07:47.48 | sejo | hey Jaffa |
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| 07:53.00 | mece | sejo, that should do it. |
| 07:53.48 | sejo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.52 | sejo | shows nothing :/ |
| 07:54.21 | mece | did you apt-get update |
| 07:54.36 | sejo | yes |
| 07:55.50 | mece | sejo, switch to arm target |
| 07:55.54 | sejo | k |
| 07:55.58 | mece | appears it's only arm: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pypackager/ |
| 07:56.23 | mece | it should work on both though.. |
| 07:56.30 | mece | ~seen Khertan |
| 07:56.32 | infobot | khertan <~d4eabb96@gateway/web/freenode/x-iutytmbmttrlbing> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 48m 17s ago, saying: '(starcraft voice)'. |
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| 07:58.20 | mece | hmm something's wrong with the kinetic scrolling in my pyside app.. |
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| 07:59.41 | Psi | ok, so i installed easy-deb-chroot, and everything worked fine, i had the wm running under mameo but i just rebooted my phone and it now it isnt booting :( |
| 08:00.36 | Psi | its definitly a software issue, as it almost gets into maemo, but the desktop doesnt load, i just get one web shortcut in the top left corner and the rest of the screen is black |
| 08:01.14 | Psi | any ideas |
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| 08:02.59 | mece | hey how the hell do you comment out blocks in python? |
| 08:03.10 | sejo | # |
| 08:03.12 | sejo | :p |
| 08:03.27 | mece | but is there a /* asdf */ equivalent? |
| 08:03.42 | mece | I don't feel like typin # 100 times. |
| 08:03.44 | jacekowski | mece: google |
| 08:03.52 | mece | i don't like google. |
| 08:03.58 | mece | but I can yahoo search it :P |
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| 08:05.39 | mece | ah """ apparently. Good to know. |
| 08:05.39 | Shapeshifter | mece: use an IDE that allows you to put # in front of any number of selected lines |
| 08:06.34 | mece | Shapeshifter well """ works like /* |
| 08:06.51 | Shapeshifter | mece: you're supposed to put """ foobla """ under every function declaration btw to document its purpose. this is the way to specify stuff for the automatic api generation |
| 08:06.58 | Shapeshifter | just as a random bit of info |
| 08:07.26 | mece | Shapeshifter Good to know. |
| 08:07.52 | Shapeshifter | mece: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/ if you're interested |
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| 08:08.07 | mece | Shapeshifter, I am but donät have time right now. thanks., |
| 08:08.15 | mece | if 0: |
| 08:08.29 | mece | also works, if you indent |
| 08:09.52 | Shapeshifter | mece: well, if you're on the train and have nothing to do, consider reading this as well: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ |
| 08:10.02 | Shapeshifter | makes for beautiful code |
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| 08:12.41 | crashanddie | So that's it |
| 08:12.44 | crashanddie | I'm jobless :) |
| 08:13.11 | Termana_n810 | crashanddie, but your moving anyway :P |
| 08:13.22 | mece | crashanddie, did you quit? |
| 08:13.25 | crashanddie | aye |
| 08:13.34 | zokier | KnightStalker, mece, http://mercury.wipsl.com/qtirreco_0.4.0-0maemo0_armel.deb i made a package, it might eat your babies etc, but should install on pr1.1 |
| 08:13.50 | Psi | so no ones seem this black screen with one icon issue after easy-deb-chroot install? |
| 08:14.11 | Psi | seem=seen |
| 08:14.19 | mece | zokier, cool, thanks. |
| 08:14.30 | mece | zokier, mind if I post it in tmo? |
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| 08:14.54 | mece | zokier, or actually you could do it yourself if you have time. |
| 08:15.12 | zokier | uuh, scary... feel free if you want |
| 08:16.02 | crashanddie | Termana_n810: yeah, but still, pretty weird to not have a job for the first time |
| 08:17.12 | tybollt | crashanddie: Still you had the cojones to tell them to fuck off I suppose? There's the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us who don't... who just grind on day to day taking it up the bum from the management etc... :-/ |
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| 08:18.15 | crashanddie | Well, I just helped increase their over budgetness by a 100k probably :P |
| 08:18.33 | crashanddie | I guess that's about as "fuck off" as it gets :D |
| 08:18.50 | tybollt | Oh o.O, how? |
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| 08:19.56 | crashanddie | well, by having them pay for the relocation, legal fees, visas, etc, and they still have to find someone else :P |
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| 08:20.21 | tybollt | :) |
| 08:20.47 | tybollt | staying in au then? |
| 08:20.57 | crashanddie | nope |
| 08:20.59 | crashanddie | flying out tomorow |
| 08:21.01 | crashanddie | +r |
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| 08:21.23 | tybollt | how did you like the place then? |
| 08:22.01 | Psi | reflashes |
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| 08:22.39 | florian | good morning |
| 08:22.55 | crashanddie | well, I guess it would be nice if I had some people to hang out with, and a job that made me want to work |
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| 08:27.28 | mikki-kun | hi uhm, which key on the keyboard of the n900 will be considered As the meta-key? |
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| 08:31.47 | sejo | mece: after running the script i need to run the dh thingie right? |
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| 08:35.24 | Shapeshifter | mikki-kun: it doesn't have a meta key. ctrl is ctrl, FN is AltGr, Shift is Shift. |
| 08:35.30 | Shapeshifter | There's no Alt/Meta/Super |
| 08:35.48 | Shapeshifter | although... not sure what ctrl-shift is. maybe it's Alt |
| 08:36.08 | Shapeshifter | on a desktop it isn't though. |
| 08:37.14 | mikki-kun | hm... i noticed that the RTRN key has the funkrion 'KB-Return' |
| 08:37.26 | mikki-kun | can that be changed to Return |
| 08:37.37 | mikki-kun | or would that break my return-key? |
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| 08:57.52 | wazd_n900 | reheya all |
| 08:58.13 | d14 | o/ |
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| 09:18.19 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 09:18.40 | SpeedEvil | yawns. |
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| 09:34.55 | pupnik | i need a finnish-english-finnish translator app |
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| 09:36.48 | pupnik | or dictionary |
| 09:37.32 | `0660 | :) |
| 09:37.55 | Surfa | www.ilmainensanakirja.fi |
| 09:37.56 | Surfa | :) |
| 09:38.22 | Surfa | ka `0660 |
| 09:38.27 | Surfa | länge sen sist jne |
| 09:40.27 | noobmonk3y | frals: meh |
| 09:40.29 | `0660 | haven't been in finland for a while now :( |
| 09:40.49 | noobmonk3y | fmms is just sitting there saying "Resizing and sending..." |
| 09:40.56 | pupnik | ty surfa :) |
| 09:41.37 | Surfa | `0660, :o |
| 09:42.53 | `0660 | i moved to australia in 2007 |
| 09:43.32 | `0660 | and last visited finland in 2008 :/ |
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| 09:44.08 | Surfa | oh, haven't heard of it |
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| 09:45.27 | tybollt | ehm how do I do "lsof" without the lsof command on a linux machine? |
| 09:45.37 | Stskeeps | fuser may help in some cases |
| 09:46.07 | pupnik | learn the useful fuser flags |
| 09:46.12 | tybollt | thanks |
| 09:48.07 | MAK_ | MohammadAg_: hi every thing ok thnx again and again |
| 09:49.10 | Surfa | tybollt, depends on what you're trying to do with it? |
| 09:49.59 | Surfa | some people use lsof for printing listen inet socket information that may also be printed with netstat e.g. |
| 09:53.04 | pupnik | IRSSI: FS#729 : In default theme, own nick and actions are hardcoded white. http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=729 |
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| 09:56.01 | tybollt | hmm yeah |
| 09:56.14 | tybollt | I need to find out which file is hogging the FS |
| 09:56.42 | tybollt | s/file/proc/ |
| 09:58.55 | jacekowski | ncdu |
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| 10:04.05 | mikki-kun | puh |
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| 10:04.21 | mikki-kun | damn, that was harsh... |
| 10:05.07 | mikki-kun | `0660: may i ask where you come from in finland? |
| 10:05.36 | `0660 | lieksa->tampere |
| 10:05.56 | mikki-kun | mehh, i really should know more of my country >.< |
| 10:06.22 | mikki-kun | born finn, but grew up in germany, then moved to TH |
| 10:06.22 | `0660 | :P |
| 10:06.38 | mikki-kun | but it says something to me |
| 10:06.41 | `0660 | th? |
| 10:06.45 | mikki-kun | thailand |
| 10:07.08 | mikki-kun | nearly killed myself in the sun doing gardening work XD |
| 10:08.25 | `0660 | i don't think that's a problem in finland right now :) |
| 10:08.25 | mikki-kun | yeah, not at all |
| 10:08.47 | mikki-kun | yay, at least i had an idea where tampere was :D |
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| 10:13.58 | th3hate | Can anyone answer my question here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634762#post634762 |
| 10:14.29 | KnightStalker | Hey :P |
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| 10:15.22 | KnightStalker | zokier,well,when I downloaded my TV controler,it seemed that it is on a building mode or something,how to use the controler? |
| 10:15.28 | KnightStalker | do any one know? |
| 10:15.47 | mikki-kun | th3hate: i think that most apps/games have either seperate language files or the language is coded in the sourcecode of it |
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| 10:16.06 | lardman | morning |
| 10:16.27 | KnightStalker | morning =) |
| 10:16.44 | Surfa | localization is pretty important in games.. |
| 10:17.27 | Stskeeps | morning lardman |
| 10:17.33 | KnightStalker | stskeeps <3 |
| 10:17.37 | Surfa | youngsters are often main target group for them and their language knowledge is pretty limited often |
| 10:17.44 | lardman | hey Stskeeps, KnightStalker |
| 10:17.50 | Stskeeps | glares at KnightStalker |
| 10:18.16 | lardman | dare I ask is pr1.2 is out yet? ;) |
| 10:18.17 | KnightStalker | slaps Stskeeps with his last question,I am mean,amn't I? :P |
| 10:18.52 | Stskeeps | what question? :P |
| 10:19.26 | KnightStalker | "when I downloaded my TV controler,it seemed that it is on a building mode or something,how to use the controler?" |
| 10:19.32 | Stskeeps | i have no idea what that is, sorry |
| 10:20.01 | KnightStalker | no problem ^_^ |
| 10:20.13 | KnightStalker | I meant qtirreco anyway |
| 10:22.26 | RST38bis | Irreco is a mess =( |
| 10:22.48 | zokier | qtirreco is a mess, old irreco atleast seems to be bit better |
| 10:23.03 | KnightStalker | :o |
| 10:23.04 | RST38bis | Surfa: Judging from the sample of youngsters available to me, they do not give a shit about localization |
| 10:23.42 | lardman | I do, fewer "z"s thanks! ;) |
| 10:23.54 | zokier | KnightStalker, if you are in "edit mode" use "save remote" menu item to return to "normal mode". if you are in normal mode, then the remote *should* be ready to use |
| 10:23.57 | lardman | not sure I qualify as young mind you |
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| 10:23.59 | RST38bis | Surfa: Their native reading skills are not that extensive to begin with (1) and they mainly learn game stuff by trial and error anyway (2) |
| 10:25.35 | Surfa | RST38bis, show me a sample person that plays japanese language game with pleasure |
| 10:25.37 | RST38bis | suspects that the main market for localization is elderly women at secretarial/accounting jobs |
| 10:25.52 | RST38bis | points Surfa toward himself |
| 10:26.02 | RST38bis | Works for me, Surfa. |
| 10:26.11 | Surfa | i can tell you that it's not typical way that people behave |
| 10:26.16 | Surfa | i've seen plenty of user studies |
| 10:26.33 | RST38bis | Ok, so I am a nutcase and have not seen a plenty of studies. Tell me something new :) |
| 10:26.48 | Surfa | localization is very important thing on many markets, also on other applications than games |
| 10:26.57 | th3hate | im trying to do it |
| 10:26.58 | lardman | ~curse HAM for being veeerrryyy slow |
| 10:26.59 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM for being veeerrryyy slow ! |
| 10:26.59 | th3hate | see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634774#post634774 |
| 10:28.11 | Surfa | RST38bis, no need to be so offending, that's just typical that people think that other people do things as they do.. that's why user studies are needed for some things |
| 10:28.39 | Surfa | cultural and lanuage barriers are no fake problem in global industry |
| 10:30.12 | RST38bis | politely informs Surfa that he is (1) bilingual and (2) expat in a non-english speaking country |
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| 10:30.54 | RST38bis | And no, I have not yet seen any widespread problems with English UIs here, outside of the above category |
| 10:30.55 | Surfa | RST38bis, i can't see relation to this discussion.. please explain more |
| 10:31.12 | Surfa | where is that? |
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| 10:32.09 | Surfa | it doesn't mean that there are problems, but it certainly slows down adoption speed within natives |
| 10:32.14 | RST38bis | Surfa: I have been hinting that yes, I see enough users and usage scenarios to have my own statistics |
| 10:32.35 | Surfa | and still you think that english ui is enough for most people? |
| 10:32.39 | RST38bis | Surfa: And my statistics clearly show that almost nobody gives a damn |
| 10:32.54 | RST38bis | Surfa: Yes, that is exactly what I think |
| 10:33.24 | Surfa | and studies are about people who already use those things? because otherwise those studies don't make much sense |
| 10:33.40 | crashanddie | there's a reason for localisation to be the one and only top priority for most UIs |
| 10:33.44 | RST38bis | Localization may be somewhat useful, but it definitely isn't worth the effort it normally takes. |
| 10:33.47 | brik | for younger people who haven't learned a lot of english yet, people that don't learn that much english at all (it happens) and older people (my mum's age), english wouldn't cut it |
| 10:33.49 | crashanddie | and your stats don't disprove didly squat |
| 10:34.09 | Surfa | RST38bis, depends on what countries you're acting on |
| 10:34.32 | Surfa | you just can't play with english only uis on developing countries |
| 10:34.39 | RST38bis | Surfa: Pretty much any country. Your typical UI requires knowledge of a dozen English words |
| 10:34.52 | crashanddie | spain exclusively uses spanish UIs, same for France, Italy a tiny bit less, but mostly, Belgium, Holland, Germany, etc |
| 10:34.57 | crashanddie | and those aren't developing country |
| 10:35.07 | crashanddie | s/try/tries/ |
| 10:35.17 | Surfa | crashanddie, in developing countries things are even worse on that |
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| 10:35.22 | RST38bis | Surfa: Any person unable to learn a dozen combinations of letters can't read his own language , most likely |
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| 10:35.42 | Surfa | RST38bis, localization is not limited to textual output you know? |
| 10:35.45 | crashanddie | RST38bis: with all due respect, I think you're talking biased bullshit |
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| 10:36.10 | RST38bis | I am always talking biased bullshit, crash. Haven't you noticed? :) |
| 10:36.24 | crashanddie | sure, just felt necessary to point it out this time round |
| 10:36.33 | crashanddie | (everyone talks biased bull) |
| 10:36.50 | RST38bis | Except that mine usually checks well again reality |
| 10:36.57 | crashanddie | not in this case |
| 10:36.58 | RST38bis | Or at least the part of reality I get to observe |
| 10:37.04 | crashanddie | seriously, where are you now? |
| 10:37.24 | `0660 | in a mushroom land? :) |
| 10:37.33 | Surfa | `0660, my guess exactly :D |
| 10:37.48 | RST38bis | crash: Russia. Non-English speaking country. Non-Roman alphabet. Very few people care if the UI is in Russian or not. |
| 10:38.15 | zokier | localization/i18n is kinda nice, but translations are usually just horrible |
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| 10:38.43 | crashanddie | RST38bis: I don't know what circles you play with, but when I was in the Ukraine and Russia, even in highly technical outlets, I only had russian keyboards, and russian UIs |
| 10:38.43 | RST38bis | The documentation better be written in Russian of course, but that is different from the UI. |
| 10:38.55 | crashanddie | I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find me ranting about this on this very channel in the logs |
| 10:39.06 | RST38bis | crashanddie: How long have you been here? |
| 10:39.11 | zokier | i'm in finland and every piece of software i use is in english, both at work and at home. |
| 10:39.23 | crashanddie | RST38bis: I spent in total 2 months in the Ukraine, and about 3-4 weeks in Russia |
| 10:39.43 | Surfa | zokier, well, finland and netherlands are completely different world, they are more english speaking countries than uk in most cases ;) |
| 10:39.44 | `0660 | zokier, that is only because you work in it? :) |
| 10:40.12 | Surfa | i've met englishmen that think that most finns speak better english than they do |
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| 10:40.17 | `0660 | it->IT |
| 10:40.27 | tybollt | zokier: that's because finnish is a fucked language |
| 10:40.29 | crashanddie | Surfa: except for their bloody horrendous accent |
| 10:40.30 | zokier | `0660, probably, yes |
| 10:40.31 | tybollt | finnish-ugrian |
| 10:40.45 | tybollt | it's only got hungary in the same language group IIRC |
| 10:40.48 | crashanddie | zokier: Sweden is an exception I have to admit, northern Europe is very English friendly |
| 10:40.53 | Surfa | crashanddie, depends on a finn too, some don't have accent almost at all |
| 10:41.05 | tybollt | crashanddie: huh? How is sweden an exception? |
| 10:41.08 | crashanddie | Surfa: how come 100% of Nokia have horrendous accents then? |
| 10:41.11 | frals | noobmonk3y: can you reproduce it? |
| 10:41.29 | Surfa | crashanddie, not really 100% |
| 10:41.36 | Surfa | maybe 90% |
| 10:41.38 | crashanddie | tybollt: sweden is an exception in the way that you guys are very English friendly? |
| 10:41.58 | crashanddie | Surfa: ok, Ari has an OK accent when he wants |
| 10:42.02 | tybollt | crashanddie: because finnish is in the wrong language group. The only two languages (IIRC) in this language group finnish-ugrian is finnish and hungarian |
| 10:42.17 | crashanddie | tybollt: you lost me |
| 10:42.29 | crashanddie | oh, finnish, k |
| 10:42.30 | tybollt | crashanddie: yes, yes we are :) |
| 10:42.36 | tybollt | crashanddie: gotcha |
| 10:42.36 | lardman | crashanddie: you in La France now? |
| 10:42.37 | Surfa | crashanddie, many people have relatively junnoticeable accent when they don't have too much feelings going on |
| 10:42.48 | tybollt | everyone can speak english in .se |
| 10:42.55 | tybollt | _everyone_ |
| 10:42.57 | RST38bis | crashanddie: Isn't that kinda short? |
| 10:43.01 | Surfa | tybollt, that's not true :) really |
| 10:43.11 | crashanddie | Surfa: ask any northern european to say "Junior", and all of them will say "you-nior" |
| 10:43.17 | crashanddie | lardman: pas encore |
| 10:43.21 | Surfa | take a farmer in south sweden and speak english to him |
| 10:43.35 | crashanddie | lardman: taking off tomorrow around lunch, landing on Sunday 3PM |
| 10:43.44 | lardman | cool, have a good trip |
| 10:43.56 | crashanddie | have a 6 hours standstill in London |
| 10:43.58 | Surfa | crashanddie, if some words make accent horrible for you, then agreed.. some words are just impossible to pronounce correctly for a finn |
| 10:44.03 | adeus | take a farmer in south sweden and try to speak swedish to him |
| 10:44.09 | tybollt | not like in finland where you get a "MITÄÄÄÄÄÄ?" if you even mention english ;) |
| 10:44.13 | adeus | won't understand anything with the skåne accent |
| 10:44.16 | tybollt | or something |
| 10:44.17 | tybollt | :) |
| 10:44.26 | Surfa | tybollt, that's ridiculous you know and has nothing to do with real deal |
| 10:44.46 | Surfa | most of germand can speak even german in finland and they manage very well, and english is much easier |
| 10:45.02 | tybollt | I may be exagerating slightly ;) |
| 10:45.06 | crashanddie | that's because most germans' english sucks donkey balls |
| 10:45.10 | Surfa | slightly right.. :) |
| 10:45.22 | noobmonk3y | frals: it looks like the vodafone apn settings that worked previously on the wiki do not work now, gonna try n figure out why - does take a good few minutes before it errors out though |
| 10:45.44 | crashanddie | only generation Y is saving the day in Germany, generation X and B have very poor English skills |
| 10:46.10 | frals | noobmonk3y: i saw someone complain about it in the thread today as well |
| 10:46.16 | Surfa | tybollt, i'd say take any <40years old finn and you do just fine with english, if he/she just wants to language skills won't be a problem |
| 10:46.24 | noobmonk3y | ahhh complaints, gotta love em ;) |
| 10:46.26 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: with the international language of techno? |
| 10:46.33 | noobmonk3y | i'll figure out what happenned and try n sort the wiki :) |
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| 10:47.00 | frals | noobmonk3y: fwiw theres a thread on vodafones support forum about fmms http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=52406&st=0 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=613909&postcount=1271 |
| 10:47.06 | frals | ops |
| 10:47.13 | frals | wonder why the last stuff ended up there |
| 10:47.35 | frals | noobmonk3y: for the record, whats the error message in fmms.log? |
| 10:47.37 | noobmonk3y | hmmm hold on |
| 10:47.43 | noobmonk3y | you dont need fapn any more do ya? |
| 10:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | moooooo |
| 10:47.57 | frals | nope |
| 10:48.08 | frals | but like if you delete it and fmms use that apn your gonna be buttfucked :D |
| 10:48.18 | Surfa | crashanddie, but speaking of some people from uk, it's sometimes difficult even to tell if they are speaking english at all.. communication is simply impossible |
| 10:48.35 | frals | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and a reinstall should give you a clean start thou noobmonk3y |
| 10:48.37 | crashanddie | Surfa: well, you have those everywhere |
| 10:48.44 | noobmonk3y | lol deleted it, and manually configured fmms though?! |
| 10:48.45 | Surfa | yes of course |
| 10:49.03 | Surfa | ordering a beer in certain parts of england has proven to be extremely difficult :) |
| 10:49.04 | noobmonk3y | where is the fmms log file btw? |
| 10:49.12 | frals | /tmp/fmms.log |
| 10:49.21 | crashanddie | Surfa: if you take australian bogans, west-flemish belgians, alsacian french or catalan spanish, you can get in some very tricky situations |
| 10:50.11 | tybollt | australian bogan? what's that? |
| 10:50.17 | tybollt | googlers |
| 10:50.32 | `0660 | :) |
| 10:50.40 | Surfa | sure, i personally speak some russian, a little better swedish, even more better german, english and finnish of course too.. it's surprisingly many countries that have languages close enough of those so i can understand pretty well |
| 10:50.51 | crashanddie | tybollt: bogans, the same as UK-based chavs |
| 10:51.06 | tybollt | aaah |
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| 10:51.13 | Surfa | prague for example in theory is pretty far from russian but for me it was pretty easy to understand vital things with my russian |
| 10:51.43 | Surfa | but in england.. i don't know how difficult it can be to order a beer.. :D |
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| 10:52.11 | BCMM | is there a way to install a traditional (not busybox) version of 'top'? |
| 10:52.19 | tybollt | the one thing - I learned the hard way - is how you turn our hand when asking for two beers ;) |
| 10:52.25 | noobmonk3y | frals: www.pastebin.com/UX6ACYpk |
| 10:52.39 | tybollt | if you do a reversed V sign for "two" you may get into trouble |
| 10:52.55 | frals | noobmonk3y: settings are wrong ;) |
| 10:53.28 | frals | noobmonk3y: apn should be wap.vodafone.co.uk |
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| 11:00.07 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 11:00.11 | noobmonk3y | slaps himself with a trout |
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| 11:00.33 | KnightStalker | Eh,how can I find out what is keeping me from connecting via mass storage mode |
| 11:00.40 | chadi | heya healthcheck! |
| 11:00.59 | noobmonk3y | mornin chadi |
| 11:01.13 | RichardP | mmmm Meego screenshots look nice |
| 11:01.21 | chadi | what's up |
| 11:01.45 | chadi | RichardP yeah, looking forward to installing it on N900 when it gets released |
| 11:02.04 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y with a "Configuring fMMS for dummies" |
| 11:02.09 | frals | noobmonk3y: no trout for you! |
| 11:02.34 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 11:02.37 | noobmonk3y | still doing the same |
| 11:02.39 | noobmonk3y | hmmmmm |
| 11:02.42 | noobmonk3y | slaps himself some more |
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| 11:04.31 | frals | noobmonk3y whats the log saying then? |
| 11:04.45 | KnightStalker | nobody knows my question? =( |
| 11:04.55 | noobmonk3y | not sure avoiding keeping screen and phone busy as boss is behind me lol |
| 11:05.00 | Appiah | use lsof |
| 11:05.00 | noobmonk3y | is sneakily doing it |
| 11:05.10 | Appiah | KnightStalker: lsof |
| 11:05.14 | noobmonk3y | and it's still hanging |
| 11:05.15 | Appiah | I knew the answer! |
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| 11:05.26 | crashanddie | ~Appiah++ |
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| 11:05.51 | Appiah | ~crashanddie-- |
| 11:05.52 | Appiah | ? |
| 11:05.54 | hybr1der | is there a working port of netcat for the n900 yet? |
| 11:06.05 | chadi | loves ubuntu lucid |
| 11:06.16 | crashanddie | ~karma Appiah |
| 11:06.16 | infobot | appiah has karma of 1 |
| 11:06.21 | crashanddie | ~karma crashanddie |
| 11:06.21 | infobot | crashanddie has karma of -1 |
| 11:06.25 | crashanddie | thanks Appiah ! |
| 11:06.28 | Appiah | OOH |
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| 11:06.36 | Appiah | ~crashanddie++ |
| 11:06.39 | chadi | ~ubuntu++ |
| 11:07.01 | Appiah | wth karma bot? |
| 11:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: >>Ledzz ask him wadzz se diel<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfZrNLipVmk&NR=1 |
| 11:07.27 | frals | lol noobmonk3y |
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| 11:08.44 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: lol? |
| 11:08.57 | RichardP | chadi: theyve got some good ideas |
| 11:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: Zappas take on German accent |
| 11:09.30 | MAK_ | hi all how ican reset or edit my root password plz???? |
| 11:09.44 | chadi | RichardP indeed :) |
| 11:10.01 | `0660 | MAK_, why would you need to? |
| 11:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | MAK_: N900 xterm; root; passwd |
| 11:10.58 | MAK_ | idnt need to change it but iwould like to know |
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| 11:11.25 | crashanddie | MAK_: sudo gainroot, then use passwd |
| 11:11.38 | MAK_ | thanks DocS |
| 11:11.59 | MAK_ | thatnx crasshanddie |
| 11:12.11 | crashanddie | amazing, two lines, 3 typos |
| 11:12.21 | crashanddie | 3/4, you can make it ;) |
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| 11:12.44 | `0660 | must be a netbook user :) |
| 11:13.15 | pupnik | what is that one command i have to run to get networking running in sbox VM |
| 11:13.17 | `0660 | i make so much typos with my eeepc |
| 11:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQeiJu4oa0&feature=related |
| 11:13.37 | pupnik | even with correct resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf, you need to run one command every time |
| 11:13.51 | crashanddie | pupnik: netwk-thy-art-commandeth-to-wake |
| 11:13.53 | crashanddie | .sh |
| 11:14.34 | kalikiana | sounds like a broken sbox to me |
| 11:14.53 | tybollt | ~karma tybollt |
| 11:14.53 | infobot | tybollt has neutral karma |
| 11:15.02 | tybollt | ~karma infobot |
| 11:15.02 | infobot | infobot has karma of 5 |
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| 11:15.43 | pupnik | i can wget a numeric ip. but i can't resolv a name - even when the address is specified in /etc/hosts |
| 11:15.53 | C-S-B | I knew i was missing a channel |
| 11:17.24 | crashanddie | pupnik: can you ping your dns? |
| 11:17.39 | pupnik | nNoO |
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| 11:18.02 | pupnik | nNoOwW sSyYnNerERgyGY iIsS sScCreRwEWeEdD uUpP |
| 11:18.12 | crashanddie | pupnik: stop typing like that |
| 11:18.48 | hybr1der | this is weird, everything points to that netcat exists for maemo but i cant find it in the repos |
| 11:19.41 | adeus | > apt-cache policy netcat |
| 11:19.46 | adeus | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages |
| 11:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | socat |
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| 11:25.12 | noobmonk3y | thinks the mypaint app is bloody great! |
| 11:25.14 | pupnik | crashanddie: i haven't been able to find what causes that. do you know of a working Synergy build for n900? |
| 11:25.36 | crashanddie | nope |
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| 11:25.49 | hybr1der | DocScrutinizer: is netcat compatible with socat? |
| 11:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 11:26.15 | crashanddie | I thought netcat was just raw sockets? |
| 11:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and socat is *everything* |
| 11:26.37 | hybr1der | ah |
| 11:26.48 | hybr1der | so in a way i could |
| 11:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I have to practice another 2 years to master it |
| 11:27.16 | RST38bis | hopes someone implements a real mypaint app |
| 11:27.47 | tybollt | RST38bis: Yes, that annoyed me. |
| 11:27.57 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: oh, you mrwN XINNnbs kube xinoRUVUKURT? |
| 11:28.02 | crashanddie | woops |
| 11:28.14 | hybr1der | its a nifty little tool |
| 11:28.16 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: oh, you mean command-line compatibility? |
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| 11:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes, netcat is simple wrt syntax |
| 11:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | socat is powerful |
| 11:29.34 | tybollt | what about lolcat, then? |
| 11:29.44 | crashanddie | not so simple syntax |
| 11:29.51 | crashanddie | nobody can master it, except for chuck norris |
| 11:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | I CAN HAZ COFFY |
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| 11:31.09 | tybollt | there are times, when vase'es are shattered and missus is franticly yelling, that I wish I could invoke the Chuck on my lolcats :) |
| 11:32.49 | tybollt | but instead you yell at them and then you feel great remorse and go fetch them goodies and thus you've ended up rewarding your cats for barfing on the mediacenter or nibbling through the speaker wires... |
| 11:33.05 | tybollt | </rant> |
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| 11:35.20 | RichardP | does anyone here have Firefox installed for the N900? |
| 11:35.29 | sejo | RichardP: yes |
| 11:35.44 | sejo | slow startup but much better than microb imho |
| 11:36.04 | tybollt | I don't agree :) |
| 11:36.34 | sejo | that's why they are called opinions :p we can agree to disagree :p |
| 11:36.35 | RichardP | Im missing guestures to zoom atm, any hints? |
| 11:36.44 | sejo | RichardP: double tap? |
| 11:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: each cat owns a can-opener. So don't complain about your role |
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| 11:38.01 | sejo | tybollt: put them in timeout |
| 11:38.15 | sejo | i do that with my cats and it helps |
| 11:38.21 | tybollt | sejo: ? |
| 11:38.24 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 11:38.51 | sejo | your cats: put them in a catbox (or how you call it) and they know they are punished |
| 11:38.56 | sejo | at least mine know |
| 11:39.01 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: s/complain/lament/ |
| 11:39.06 | sejo | (when they do something wrong) |
| 11:39.08 | frals | noobmonk3y: got fmms to work? |
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| 11:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | sejo: ack |
| 11:39.21 | tybollt | sejo: catbox? :) |
| 11:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | even a 2sq-m toilet did with mine |
| 11:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | and 15 min |
| 11:39.52 | sejo | tybollt: i have a box that I use to transport my cats in |
| 11:40.42 | tybollt | sejo: aaah |
| 11:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | sejo: that's a bad idea though. You'll never get to use it for the suggested purpose again. |
| 11:41.10 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: I know, so I have a second one for transport :p |
| 11:41.15 | tybollt | heh cat will refuse to enter - or? |
| 11:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 11:41.48 | sejo | DocScrutinizer: the transport one has a nice blanket and is always accessible for them so they aren't affraid of it |
| 11:41.56 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: toilet is FAIL, my cat can open doors :) |
| 11:41.59 | tybollt | one of them can |
| 11:42.20 | sejo | tybollt: heh one of mine also :p need to lock the bedroom for a good night sleep :p |
| 11:42.25 | DocScrutinizer | hell, mine hadn't even to jump to do so |
| 11:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | a monster |
| 11:42.47 | tybollt | =) |
| 11:42.48 | jacekowski | my dog can eat cats |
| 11:44.21 | sejo | although i don't punish mine when they puke |
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| 11:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | nah, advice them friendly to do that outdoors |
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| 11:45.31 | sejo | hehe, if only they accepted reasoning :p |
| 11:46.10 | sejo | my youngest one attacks me in the morning if i don't give him his 5 min attention... |
| 11:46.20 | sejo | which is a drag when you overslept for work :P |
| 11:46.28 | dneary | Hi |
| 11:46.50 | sejo | hi dneary |
| 11:46.51 | dneary | I've been feeling like a grinch this morning... I seem to be critical of everything. |
| 11:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | I got me a watergun, really helps |
| 11:47.09 | jacekowski | so |
| 11:47.16 | jacekowski | anything new about pr1.2? |
| 11:47.19 | dneary | I'm wondering if I'm wrong, or if I just see things differently... |
| 11:47.33 | jacekowski | dneary: world is just ugly |
| 11:47.47 | chadi | jacekowski: topic |
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| 11:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah it's been such a hype whole HK took off to outer space |
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| 11:48.00 | dneary | jacekowski, If you're following bugzilla, you will have seen a lot of bug status changes in the last 24 hours. Bugzilla activity is a very good predictor of product releases |
| 11:48.22 | dneary | chadi, Who will do the kicking? |
| 11:48.40 | chadi | dneary: isn't the release ready already? |
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| 11:48.56 | dneary | chadi, How would I know? |
| 11:48.58 | sejo | takes the popcorn |
| 11:49.13 | ShadowJK | now would be an excellent time to release, all of .fi goes boozing this evening |
| 11:49.16 | sejo | the anticipation is just too much |
| 11:49.17 | chadi | dneary from the SDK - does the SDK get updated regularly? |
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| 11:49.24 | sejo | dang :/ |
| 11:49.26 | adeus | mmm |
| 11:49.38 | adeus | boozing sounds good |
| 11:49.51 | chadi | I thought the SDK and the release are synchronized |
| 11:49.53 | pupnik | picnic tomorrow :) |
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| 11:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | last PR release was on a friday before a long weekend, no? |
| 11:51.32 | dneary | chadi, I have absolutely no information about SDK release schedules or plans |
| 11:51.41 | ShadowJK | people are still going to be hungover on wednesday.. |
| 11:51.50 | dneary | I just mentioned that bugzilla activity is an excellent predictor of releases in my experience |
| 11:52.27 | chadi | dneary does this mean that PR1.2 will include these bug fixes, or you have no idea? |
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| 11:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: now you just need to paste the 385char URL magic invocation to show all tickeds changed during last 24h |
| 11:53.01 | ShadowJK | you can already see what bugfixes are in 1.2 |
| 11:53.36 | chadi | ShadowJK: exactly, those are explicitely set to PR1.2, so I don't see how bug activity may affect the release of PR1.2 |
| 11:54.56 | silbo_ | Can you change the gwt DateTime locals? |
| 11:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | chadi: you got him wrong. Nokia will postpone all bugs (milestone 1.3) which previously were marked as fixed in pr1.2 |
| 11:55.59 | chadi | DocScrutinizer: umm ok |
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| 11:57.09 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 11:58.16 | jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&ema |
| 11:58.29 | jacekowski | i hope thet's long enough |
| 11:58.33 | jacekowski | that's* |
| 11:58.41 | fcrozat | strange, I added firefox beta repository and I don't see FF 1.1 beta |
| 11:59.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it was released on a tuesday |
| 12:02.24 | peetah | fcrozat: I had the same problem; my solution was to disable the ovi repository and apt-get install fennec in Xterm |
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| 12:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: try again, mate |
| 12:03.21 | fcrozat | peetah: yes, I was trying that just after writing it :) |
| 12:03.31 | noobmonk3y | just donated a trout via paypal to fmms ;) |
| 12:03.45 | noobmonk3y | throws a trout at frals n goes for lunch |
| 12:03.53 | frals | slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:03.56 | frals | thanks! ;) |
| 12:04.05 | noobmonk3y | is concerned that he can now afford a full sized tuna......... |
| 12:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | wonders about frals' autoresponder setup |
| 12:04.41 | noobmonk3y | wants to add a donate button into the app :D |
| 12:04.46 | frals | :D |
| 12:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | slaps MohammadAG til next Tueday |
| 12:06.02 | pupnik | is chrome/chromium usable on n900? |
| 12:06.24 | inteallahonsen | hey guys.. I ran: fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 and then it asked me FATS differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT? and a choice between 1 or 2 |
| 12:06.27 | MohammadAG | slaps DocScrutinizer back but hits noobmonk3y instead |
| 12:06.31 | inteallahonsen | what gives? :/ |
| 12:06.52 | MohammadAG | use normal fsck, it should figure out its way |
| 12:07.00 | MohammadAG | fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 12:07.04 | noobmonk3y | falls over and collapses to the floor....... |
| 12:07.32 | MohammadAG | wonders what would happen if he fsck-s /dev/null |
| 12:07.51 | inteallahonsen | MohammadAG: No, it did not . Suggestions? |
| 12:07.56 | MohammadAG | gives noobmonk3y bac0n |
| 12:08.14 | chadi | slaps healthcheck |
| 12:08.33 | MohammadAG | inteallahonsen, nope, no ideas |
| 12:08.38 | noobmonk3y | bitch slaps healthcheck |
| 12:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmmyea, healthcheck failed on his master |
| 12:08.57 | noobmonk3y | has had a busy week :( |
| 12:08.57 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 12:09.15 | MohammadAG | pats noobmonk3y and says you are not alone |
| 12:09.20 | noobmonk3y | awwwwwww |
| 12:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | week, what week? |
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| 12:09.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the one on the right |
| 12:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | fires Javelin in general direction righthand |
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| 12:10.45 | MohammadAG | sees the Javelin falling back |
| 12:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, the bathroom |
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| 12:11.59 | tybollt | inteallahonsen: is your nick an insult directed at me? if so I can tell you you're damn right! :) |
| 12:12.14 | frals | lol |
| 12:12.45 | inteallahonsen | ;) |
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| 12:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and out of boredom hits 'update' in HAM |
| 12:15.34 | MohammadAG | reminds DocScrutinizer of his own topic |
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| 12:15.55 | MohammadAG | hits update... in xchat |
| 12:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo pr1.2 |
| 12:16.00 | infobot | pr1.2 -- created by crashanddie <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> 23h 42m 24s ago; it has been requested 4 times, last by mece, 5h 47m 5s ago. |
| 12:16.29 | dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2010-04-29&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time |
| 12:16.30 | MohammadAG | ~PR1.2 |
| 12:16.31 | infobot | [pr1.2] not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. |
| 12:16.45 | MohammadAG | lmao |
| 12:16.46 | Appiah | :D |
| 12:16.57 | dneary | 53 bugs changed in the last 36 hours |
| 12:17.12 | BugBlue | too much bugs :D |
| 12:17.23 | hrw | pr1.2 is also If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 12:17.29 | hrw | infobot: pr1.2 is also If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 12:17.30 | infobot | okay, hrw |
| 12:17.33 | hrw | ~pr1.2 |
| 12:17.34 | infobot | methinks pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 12:17.51 | dneary | At this rate, we'll never get pr1.2 |
| 12:18.06 | sejo | what's pr1.2? |
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| 12:18.08 | sejo | hides |
| 12:18.12 | tybollt | infobot: tybollt is also some bloody idiot |
| 12:18.12 | infobot | tybollt: okay |
| 12:18.14 | Surfa | i have a feeling that you're wrong :( |
| 12:18.40 | hrw | dneary: that's the plan - you did not know that? |
| 12:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | DO NOT think about pink elephants |
| 12:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | fail - you lost |
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| 12:22.01 | MohammadAG | infobot, tybollt |
| 12:22.02 | infobot | i heard tybollt is some bloody idiot |
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| 12:26.07 | ZogG | haha |
| 12:26.16 | ZogG | we should do app like that for maemo - www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i2vH2iWP-0 |
| 12:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | burp |
| 12:27.03 | ZogG | it's kinda fictional actually - or is it possible? |
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| 12:31.24 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, have you seen this? |
| 12:31.56 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Is what possible? |
| 12:32.04 | chadi | Does anybody have the following problem? When you create an event in the calendar and set the alarm to none, then edit it and change the date, the alarm is automatically set to 15 minutes again... |
| 12:32.27 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: 4 minutes of video is a very inefficient way to ask 'is this possible' Type out a couple of sentances |
| 12:33.01 | ZogG | SpeedEvil have you seen it? |
| 12:33.27 | MohammadAG | "4 minutes are ineffecient" means no :P |
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| 12:34.45 | ZogG | so see it and you will understand what |
| 12:34.56 | ZogG | 2 people have devices |
| 12:35.07 | ZogG | they pass by people with wireless and get their info |
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| 12:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: How did they get that video of my daywork?? |
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| 12:35.38 | ZogG | haha |
| 12:35.56 | ZogG | some more info on project torrentfreak.com/the-mysterious-and-scary-bitorrent-monitoring-site-100427/ |
| 12:35.58 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: I'm not watching 4 minutes of video. |
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| 12:36.11 | SpeedEvil | And yes - in principle passing data by bluetooth is trivial |
| 12:36.42 | achipa | SpeedEvil: reminds me of endadget logic - a 15 minute video is soo much better than a transcript ! |
| 12:37.42 | achipa | like your brain would overheat if you start reading more than a paragraph... duh |
| 12:39.25 | ZogG | SpeedEvil not bluthooth |
| 12:39.38 | ZogG | they pass by person and get their facebook chat |
| 12:40.12 | ZogG | SpeedEviljust forward it to 2 or 3 minutes and watch for 20 sec ok? |
| 12:40.24 | ZogG | and stop being #%#@ |
| 12:40.24 | pupnik | ok i love how chromium does NOT pan with click-drag, but instead hilights. instead use fn+arrow keys |
| 12:40.37 | ZogG | don't want - so ignore and pass by =) |
| 12:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if r-ts with liquid spacer is a patent of Nokia |
| 12:42.05 | MohammadAG | whatever happened to r-resistive |
| 12:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it's damn cute |
| 12:42.28 | MohammadAG | or resistive-r, can't remember |
| 12:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: talking gibberish? |
| 12:43.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope :) |
| 12:44.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Eldar mentioned it once |
| 12:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooooh ELDAR |
| 12:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | then for sure it's the smartest thing since sliced bread |
| 12:44.55 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 12:44.57 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Two phones can easily sense when they pass each other with bluetooth - if they choose to do so. They can then do anything that normal software on the phone can do |
| 12:45.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I hope not - it's trivially obvious |
| 12:45.33 | sejo | 3 |
| 12:45.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/6425661510 |
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| 12:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, no eldar before breakfast |
| 12:46.10 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 12:46.27 | ZogG | SpeedEvil it's not blutooth and it's not phones =) |
| 12:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | isn't there a 4000+ posts thread on tmo about it? |
| 12:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | i'd prefer that to eldar anyway ;-P |
| 12:47.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, about what? |
| 12:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/6425661510 ?? |
| 12:47.44 | MohammadAG | err nope, never seen it |
| 12:47.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you never read tmo so... :) |
| 12:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | so guess what I do with eldar URLs |
| 12:48.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you burn them? |
| 12:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | my eyes fail to focus |
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| 12:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | usually I tend to not even recognize them |
| 12:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes amnesia +/-30min around the event results |
| 12:51.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, heh, in short, he's not your favorite twitter-er :P |
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| 12:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | twitter? what's that? |
| 12:51.59 | frals | reading a swedish forum where someone is telling everyone to oc to 900mhz because hes battery time doubled because of it |
| 12:52.03 | frals | :\ |
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| 12:52.17 | frals | s/hes/his/ |
| 12:52.34 | E0x | i think is maybe for the low mhz clock in idle |
| 12:52.45 | MohammadAG | frals, reply once, if they don't listen, let it go |
| 12:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | prepares a 1000 thermonuclear silos to fire |
| 12:53.13 | MohammadAG | frals, if you argue you'd get called a retard |
| 12:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | frals: coord please! |
| 12:53.30 | MohammadAG | personal experience with the von badda guy ^ |
| 12:53.33 | frals | trying to outsmart ti/nokia ee's about what the chip is meant to do feels... |
| 12:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | my words |
| 12:54.15 | frals | ^^ |
| 12:55.46 | tybollt | frals: are they serious? Is this on minhembio or? |
| 12:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | sell then tinfoil hats - friggin idiot bastards |
| 12:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | them |
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| 12:57.19 | frals | tybollt: aye minhembio |
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| 12:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | tell them they should put a isolating patch of sticky tape on one of the battery contacts, will use half the energy then -> doubles standby |
| 12:58.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 551 users in here, someone might actually miss the sarcasm in that sentence :P |
| 12:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | and as electrons have half the way to run, the CPU works twice the speed on same clockfreq |
| 12:58.51 | E0x | heh |
| 12:58.52 | frals | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 12:59.02 | tybollt | frals: I'm depressed now :-/ |
| 12:59.13 | RST38h | suggests injecting battery with speed |
| 12:59.16 | frals | tybollt: i remember why i stopped reading that thread now ;) |
| 12:59.20 | lcuk | there is potentially a set of use cases where variations in clock speed could theoretically improve battery life |
| 12:59.41 | RST38h | and, moo, lcuk |
| 13:00.04 | tybollt | frals: ;) |
| 13:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | somebody missed the sarcasm? tell me, I got an appropriate command to treat that! |
| 13:00.09 | lcuk | ie by just staying within the current cpu speed limits, changing the algorithm that changes speed could get tasks done faster and leave it idling |
| 13:00.17 | lcuk | hey RST38h |
| 13:00.39 | tybollt | frals: it was good in the begining since you'd get a feel for how nokia would/wouldn't deliver the devices... but then I quickly lost interest |
| 13:00.42 | timeless_mbp | reads about a harmTTAn project |
| 13:00.46 | tybollt | (after receiving mine ;) |
| 13:00.46 | timeless_mbp | doesn't know what it is |
| 13:00.54 | Stskeeps | posts a flurry of posts to the review thread |
| 13:01.40 | frals | tybollt: yeah |
| 13:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ack. *IF* you really know what you're doing |
| 13:02.03 | frals | tybollt: was nice klasstrom actually registered there and posted ^^ |
| 13:02.07 | lcuk | just saying DocScrutinizer - its entirely feasible |
| 13:02.27 | tybollt | frals: yes indeed. I was surprised :) |
| 13:02.31 | lcuk | and its just as feasible to find those parameters for your running set of software by luck alone |
| 13:02.59 | lcuk | whether they continue to work as your usage patterns change is another matter |
| 13:03.37 | frals | yeah i dont doubt he might see improvements in a specific use case, but disregarding what happens with the chips when run over specs might not be so wise |
| 13:04.19 | w00t_ | frals: you earned it btw :) |
| 13:04.33 | frals | just got the mail notification, much appreciated :)) |
| 13:04.58 | w00t_ | (muaha, now I have your real name) |
| 13:05.12 | MohammadAG | w00t_, it's in fMMS :P |
| 13:05.15 | frals | lol |
| 13:05.20 | d14 | :)) |
| 13:05.21 | w00t_ | I haven't actually used fMMS |
| 13:05.28 | frals | w00t_: every post on planet maemo from me has my real name as well ;) |
| 13:05.40 | w00t_ | oh, shows you how much I skim-read RSS |
| 13:05.41 | w00t_ | :P |
| 13:05.44 | frals | :D |
| 13:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ack |
| 13:05.59 | w00t_ | then again, I get like 400 items a day |
| 13:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: and usage patterns tend to be highly random |
| 13:06.06 | w00t_ | if I actually tried to read all of them in detail I'd go nuts |
| 13:06.28 | lcuk | oh yeah DocScrutinizer i understand entirely |
| 13:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | even worse, users aren't even aware there's such a thing like a usage pattern |
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| 13:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | "my bat life sucks on emule, *woohahaha, boohoo =( 11!!1!!" -- "you're on WiFi or on GPRS or on UMTS?" -- "Err what's that? plz help! ahh let me check dis out" |
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| 13:12.38 | tybollt | "bat life"? |
| 13:12.41 | tybollt | "emule"? |
| 13:12.45 | tybollt | feels old |
| 13:13.04 | javispedro | leeching? vampires? mules? :d |
| 13:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | "sorry dunno how to check. But a friend told me I need 1.2GHz kernel - will fix the issue. HOW TO INSTALL 1.2GHZ???????" |
| 13:13.23 | tybollt | oh dear |
| 13:13.43 | lbt | shake it.... very fast |
| 13:13.44 | javispedro | hmpf, I broke tab on hildon xchat. |
| 13:13.54 | furunk3l | :O |
| 13:14.02 | furunk3l | but...but... |
| 13:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? |
| 13:14.06 | TigerTael | lol |
| 13:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | tab? |
| 13:14.25 | javispedro | tab key.. it now literally inserts a tab |
| 13:14.35 | derf | "Your friend was mistaken, you need 1.21 jiggawatts. Attach your device to a kite during a thunderstorm to install it." |
| 13:14.37 | TigerTael | I wish I had a tab key. |
| 13:14.40 | javispedro | instead of nick completing. |
| 13:14.44 | zash | derf: lol |
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| 13:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: check settings -key shorcuts |
| 13:14.57 | pronto | derf: i tried that.... i had to get a new phone :( |
| 13:15.01 | javispedro | you can have one, edit your x layout |
| 13:15.14 | MiXu- | "What the hell is a jiggawatt?" |
| 13:15.17 | TigerTael | javispedro, an actual physical tab key. |
| 13:15.25 | TigerTael | Editing my x layour ain't going to help there. |
| 13:15.34 | TigerTael | s/our/out/ |
| 13:15.34 | tybollt | hmm |
| 13:16.30 | javispedro | wait... my fault, input method is eating it :( |
| 13:16.44 | MohammadAG | kill it! |
| 13:16.59 | javispedro | notes that this means xchat doesn't react to virtual kb tab key? |
| 13:17.13 | javispedro | checks... it doesn't. nice. |
| 13:17.33 | timeless_mbp | ponders MiXu-'s use of quotation marks |
| 13:17.38 | timeless_mbp | that wasn't in the script... |
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| 13:19.56 | pupnik | http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/a-typical-day-from-internet-addicts-life/ |
| 13:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | suggests to javispedro the widely accepted config using shift-space for nick completion |
| 13:21.04 | derf | timeless_mbp: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088763/quotes?qt0416327 |
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| 13:21.44 | timeless_mbp | derf: it's from back to the future |
| 13:21.49 | namus | while i am trying to install packages for qt support in scratchbx using fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-gui libqt4-webkit libqt4-xmlpatterns |
| 13:21.55 | timeless_mbp | but marty never asked |
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| 13:22.13 | namus | i got errors :trying to overwrite `/opt', which is also in package base-files |
| 13:22.22 | TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, sounds good. |
| 13:22.43 | derf | timeless_mbp: You must have seen a different version of Back to the Future than I did. |
| 13:22.48 | derf | And, apparently, than imdb did. |
| 13:22.56 | timeless_mbp | derf: i was much younger :) |
| 13:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: yeah, I hammered that sentence to shape for 2 minutes ;-) |
| 13:23.36 | timeless_mbp | is still pondering mixu's use of 'j's in there |
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| 13:25.02 | javispedro | accepts DocScrutinizer suggestion before having to purge h-i-m again (pun not intended) |
| 13:25.06 | ayanes | Hi |
| 13:26.01 | lcuk | javispedro, where are you doing most of your him gsoc work then? here or in another chan? |
| 13:26.42 | javispedro | my gsoc is not about him -- but the harmattan one |
| 13:27.15 | javispedro | this was just to fix some nuissances :) |
| 13:27.21 | lcuk | hildon/harmattan input method :p either way where are you working |
| 13:27.23 | derf | timeless_mbp: Back in 1985 you could pronunce giga with either a hard or soft g. |
| 13:27.29 | derf | Not anymore. |
| 13:27.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I should write a howto for getting the thing glow in the dark and cut metal with CIR |
| 13:27.52 | javispedro | lcuk: currently nowhere, but hope to make some proper use of my site for it |
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| 13:28.02 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 13:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: yeah ;-P |
| 13:28.34 | MOUD | what's the best youtube app for n900? |
| 13:28.39 | chem|st | just wrote 4 howtos... a howto for writting a howto describing a howto and so on... I hate QM at the moment |
| 13:29.07 | timeless_mbp | derf: but it would have been jigawatt, not jiggawatt :) |
| 13:29.16 | pupnik | javispedro: is /opt/maemo/usr/games/* the correct place to put games that want to install under /usr/games? |
| 13:29.31 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I could make use of the SD socket for attaching a laser cuter |
| 13:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | with shark |
| 13:29.55 | chem|st | is the SD socket SDIO compl. |
| 13:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | the socket for sure is |
| 13:30.29 | chem|st | mmh |
| 13:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | you might have to bitbang the data though, aiui |
| 13:30.37 | timeless_mbp | derf: in 1985, i was 5 years old |
| 13:30.44 | timeless_mbp | so i wasn't going to movie theaters |
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| 13:31.00 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: getting a bt controlled x-y stage shouldnt be that a problem... |
| 13:31.00 | timeless_mbp | thus i tended to watch it in a way where i would often miss the beginning of movies |
| 13:31.26 | timeless_mbp | often watches a movie again and doesn't recognize the beginning (or ending) |
| 13:31.48 | chem|st | MOUD: go to app manager go to search and enter youtube and pick search in description... |
| 13:31.53 | timeless_mbp | being ~5-8 years old when you watch a movie can result in failure to retain the whole thing ⦠short attention spans |
| 13:32.44 | MOUD | chem|st: There are some but i would like to know from user experience and not from its description |
| 13:33.29 | chem|st | some? |
| 13:33.50 | MOUD | some youtube apps |
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| 13:34.29 | derf | I don't retain a significant fraction of most movies I watch. |
| 13:34.35 | chem|st | MOUD: some means two... digiaatscene and the other... |
| 13:34.42 | javispedro | pupnik: yes |
| 13:34.45 | derf | But Back to the Future I've seen more than once. |
| 13:34.54 | javispedro | pupnik: you should be able to use the automatic optifier for most stuff though |
| 13:35.10 | MOUD | chem|st: which one do you use? |
| 13:36.00 | chem|st | MOUD: the other is buggy when it comes to downloading and I dont know digiaatscene, install both and try! |
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| 13:36.18 | chem|st | MOUD: downloading means if you like to store the video on device |
| 13:36.38 | chem|st | the extras version should do its job but the testing doesnt |
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| 13:37.01 | MOUD | chem|st: i see. thank you for the help :) |
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| 13:37.28 | chem|st | MOUD: just loading digiaat.. |
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| 13:40.24 | pupnik | shazam music recognition software being tested on N900 |
| 13:41.12 | javispedro | oh, isn't that one big fish of the commercial mobile developers pond? |
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| 13:43.46 | MOUD | chem|st: any news? |
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| 13:44.53 | lirakis | why on earth does nokia even promote the ovi store |
| 13:44.58 | lirakis | its worthless for n900 |
| 13:44.59 | chem|st | MOUD: well both have there +++ and --- |
| 13:45.12 | chem|st | MOUD: digi can upload to your account... |
| 13:45.17 | tybollt | lirakis: someone said it is worthless for all platforms |
| 13:45.22 | tybollt | worthless all together |
| 13:45.50 | lirakis | yeah - at least for symbian ... it "seems" like there is actually some stuff avail. |
| 13:46.21 | MOUD | chem|st: what about speed and compatibility? |
| 13:46.26 | lirakis | for maemo... its a waste of space - and effort... now that i think of it ... everything ovi pretty much blows |
| 13:46.33 | javispedro | loves how _every_ _every_ _every_ multiplatform development environment, when showing any piece of code, shows the usual #if PLATFORM == 1 do_1(); #elif PLATFORM == 2 do_2(); idiom |
| 13:47.41 | chem|st | MOUD: dont know yet still in an argument with hildon thumbnailorette |
| 13:47.49 | derf | javispedro: Why would you expect anything else? |
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| 13:48.22 | javispedro | derf: I always hope there's something really new and innovative every time... stupid me. |
| 13:48.29 | MOUD | chem|st: yeah, that happened to me too |
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| 13:48.42 | derf | Different platforms are different. |
| 13:49.38 | javispedro | ms ad -- "target win7, winphone7 and x360 with the same code platform" while showing a IDE where multiple files for each target are clearly visible, |
| 13:50.08 | javispedro | qt sdk -- "target maemo, symbian, and pc with the same code base" while showing #if YADDA_YADDA_MAEMO_5 |
| 13:50.30 | javispedro | I don't want to get started with Java... |
| 13:50.38 | derf | You can try to abstract away the differences, but that just means you get #if #elif in the abstraction layer, or you can try to build something general which encompasses all possibilities, but that quickly becomes unmanagable (see Java). |
| 13:51.32 | MOUD | any news about firmware update for N900? |
| 13:51.42 | derf | And whatever else, you still need to _test_ on all of those platforms. |
| 13:52.44 | chem|st | MOUD: nope |
| 13:52.55 | MOUD | too bad |
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| 13:53.40 | MOUD | i g2g now |
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| 13:53.51 | MOUD | thanks for your help chem|st :) |
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| 14:05.13 | pupnik | would someone please fix sdl-mixer's memory corruption |
| 14:05.29 | javispedro | what's that? |
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| 14:06.08 | th3hate | Is it possible to make a .deb file out of application source? |
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| 14:09.07 | wazd_n900 | heya people :) |
| 14:09.40 | adeus | happy wappu! |
| 14:09.49 | timeless_mbp | th3hate: like a deb-src? |
| 14:11.00 | Passeli | wappu ! Juhuu !! |
| 14:11.16 | timeless_mbp | th3hate: no :) |
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| 14:11.46 | timeless_mbp | there's .changes file or something + all the related files |
| 14:11.48 | th3hate | thanks |
| 14:12.12 | GAN900 | MeeGo-dev managed to become nearly as bad as maemo-developers with more traffic. |
| 14:12.18 | timeless_mbp | you could of course package your sources in a deb the way rpm does |
| 14:12.23 | Khertan_Home | Hi ! |
| 14:12.27 | GAN900 | Something tells me -dev lists are trouble. |
| 14:12.42 | javispedro | and someone still suggested that there was no need for -arch list.. |
| 14:12.45 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: did you make the mistake of subscribing? |
| 14:12.50 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: there isn't :) |
| 14:12.55 | javispedro | there's two clear separated concepts I think: development OF the platform and development FOR the platform... |
| 14:12.59 | timeless_mbp | arch design will be done in secret corners |
| 14:13.14 | javispedro | :) |
| 14:13.23 | javispedro | (I don't know why smile :( ) |
| 14:13.27 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I have to, I'm your local political representative. |
| 14:13.32 | timeless_mbp | and mostly in the form of a team saying "hey, we've already implemented X, we want the platform to use it" |
| 14:13.35 | GAN900 | Being informed is important! |
| 14:13.39 | GAN900 | . . . or something |
| 14:14.07 | timeless_mbp | summary "there are clueless people flooding people who foolishly subscribed to a mailinglist" |
| 14:14.08 | GAN900 | javispedro, fun story, that's why maemo-users exists. |
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| 14:14.29 | th3hate | How to package my source can u give me a guide |
| 14:15.00 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging |
| 14:15.15 | th3hate | thanks lcuk |
| 14:15.23 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-buildpackage -S |
| 14:15.24 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 14:15.25 | javispedro | GAN900: was it ever oriented for developers? O.o |
| 14:15.35 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: on paper! |
| 14:15.55 | GAN900 | javispedro, back in the day when maemo (lowercase m) was the development platform |
| 14:16.14 | GAN900 | maemo-users was for developers FOR and -developers for OF |
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| 14:16.31 | GAN900 | But it was mostly an on-paper thing, as timeless_mbp says. |
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| 14:16.56 | javispedro | just copy whatever the gnome mailing lists do |
| 14:17.02 | javispedro | or kde, for the matter |
| 14:17.40 | javispedro | i'm sure they handle as many .. uh, newcomers as maemo's m. lists do. |
| 14:17.55 | th3hate | stupid question: how to cd to my desktop in ubuntu terminal? |
| 14:17.55 | wazd_n900 | javispedro: heya :) |
| 14:18.40 | javispedro | hey wazd |
| 14:18.50 | javispedro | th3hate: cd ~/Desktop |
| 14:19.26 | Milo- | what was the hidden shortcut to activate portrait mode in the web browser? |
| 14:19.52 | MohammadAG | ctrl shift o |
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| 14:20.46 | Milo- | gah. my accelerometer shows 0 0 0 ::( |
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| 14:20.56 | Milo- | need to boot my device |
| 14:21.01 | Milo- | how annoyinh |
| 14:21.39 | javispedro | andre__: there? |
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| 14:22.53 | summel | MohammadAG: does that work on 1.1 already? or only 1.2? |
| 14:23.00 | RST38h | javispedro mo |
| 14:23.03 | MohammadAG | summel, all |
| 14:23.12 | javispedro | morning RST38h |
| 14:23.14 | summel | hmm then iot does not worklfor me oO |
| 14:23.18 | MohammadAG | summel, actually, pre 1.2, 1.2 has a GUI option |
| 14:23.31 | wazd_n900 | rst38h: heya :b |
| 14:23.40 | MohammadAG | summel, delete the prefs.js files from ~/.mozilla/microb |
| 14:23.42 | RST38h | javispedro: What is the short story on the Nokia Qt SDK? Is it worth dtrying out for Maemo? |
| 14:23.47 | RST38h | wazd: reHey |
| 14:24.27 | MiXu- | RST38h: Afaik it requires PR1.2 |
| 14:24.40 | javispedro | RST38h: I've not tried it yet. I'm pretty sure it will be nice for iPhone-style app development; don't know how useful it is for more "integrated" app development |
| 14:24.42 | MiXu- | So yes, worth trying out, but not yet. :) |
| 14:24.50 | andre__ | javispedro, yo |
| 14:24.51 | javispedro | MiXu-: na, you can install qt 4.6 on device already |
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| 14:25.03 | MiXu- | Ok |
| 14:25.11 | summel | MohammadAG: still does not workl |
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| 14:25.24 | MohammadAG | summel, delete all .js files |
| 14:25.29 | andre__ | javispedro, 9952? yeah. |
| 14:25.31 | summel | javispedro: but io dont want to do that -_- |
| 14:25.32 | javispedro | andre__: hi! about #9952, it's an autobuilder bug (was wondering that maybe I sounded too authoritative there) |
| 14:25.39 | RST38h | MiXu,javispedro: Aha |
| 14:25.43 | summel | io would rather buiold my app wioth the "old" qt -_- |
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| 14:25.52 | andre__ | javispedro, no. I like your tone. :-P |
| 14:26.10 | javispedro | andre__: so before confirming it move the blame to where it belongs ;P (me actually..) |
| 14:26.18 | javispedro | (or autobuilder component for the time being) |
| 14:26.47 | summel | MohammadAG: ah now iot workls ^^ |
| 14:26.55 | Khertan | javispedro, but you can't install pyside 0.3.0 |
| 14:27.02 | Khertan | nor last pyqt version |
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| 14:27.08 | javispedro | Khertan: not even if you install pr1.2 qt 4.6? |
| 14:27.18 | Khertan | i ve qt 4.6 |
| 14:27.25 | javispedro | there's both of them -- |
| 14:27.25 | Khertan | pr1.2 ... sorry |
| 14:27.30 | javispedro | ah. |
| 14:27.36 | javispedro | and what does pyside 0.3 depend on? |
| 14:27.43 | Khertan | not this one ... just the qt version available in extras-devel |
| 14:27.50 | javispedro | Khertan: ah again. |
| 14:27.54 | javispedro | that one is the shit. |
| 14:28.12 | javispedro | grab it from the 1.2 sdk repo. |
| 14:28.15 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 14:28.28 | Khertan | putting sdk repo directly ? |
| 14:28.37 | javispedro | I wouldn't... |
| 14:28.44 | Khertan | (of course without an apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 14:29.05 | Khertan | ah manually with dpkg and wget deb by deb ? |
| 14:29.58 | javispedro | yep, or use apt-get --download-only on S |
| 14:30.01 | javispedro | *SDK. |
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| 14:31.01 | pupnik | life sucks when you can't apt-get within scratchbox |
| 14:31.04 | javispedro | have to go now -- sorry. |
| 14:31.35 | Khertan | thx anyway |
| 14:31.35 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:31.38 | Khertan | i ll try |
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| 14:39.40 | andrewfblack | Hey is Pr 1.2 out yet? |
| 14:39.54 | summel | read the topioc |
| 14:39.58 | summel | *topic |
| 14:39.58 | kamui | that only seems to happen every 10 minutes now thanks to the topic |
| 14:40.01 | summel | and then run |
| 14:40.12 | andrewfblack | I thought the topic might be out of date |
| 14:40.21 | andrewfblack | just had to do it |
| 14:40.31 | summel | xD |
| 14:40.50 | hrw | ~pr1.2 |
| 14:40.51 | infobot | pr1.2 is probably not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. |
| 14:41.43 | dneary | Hi there |
| 14:41.54 | dneary | Anyone know what time PR1.2 is coming? |
| 14:41.57 | andrewfblack | doesn't believe infobot |
| 14:41.59 | dneary | <snicker> |
| 14:42.06 | andrewfblack | dneary: lol |
| 14:42.28 | hrw | dneary: 12 november |
| 14:42.35 | andrewfblack | is there still a N900 wait list for devs? |
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| 14:43.04 | hrw | andrewfblack: what does devs see in that 'device'? |
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| 14:43.42 | Tobarja | i had had issues with youtube on my n810, but sometime in the last few days they revamped the player and it works ok now |
| 14:43.50 | pupnik | i think mameovmware pan0 interfce is screwing things up |
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| 14:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | SUCCESS! :-) |
| 14:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05 |
| 14:46.24 | pupnik | what is that DocScrutinizer ? |
| 14:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | enables 5V on USB (though only for ~1sec for now) |
| 14:46.50 | pupnik | omgwtfbbq! |
| 14:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | all LEDs of a connected hub lit up |
| 14:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | probably bme immediately interferred with the bq24150 setting and re-disabled boost mode |
| 14:48.05 | pupnik | congratulations! |
| 14:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | anyway WE HAVE DECENT 5V OB USB |
| 14:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 14:48.32 | Stskeeps | cool |
| 14:48.52 | GeneralAntilles | We're going to lose DocScrutinizer when his N900 explodes. |
| 14:48.56 | sECuRE | just curious, what does this allow us to do that we could not do before? |
| 14:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | You've destabilized the flux capacitor. |
| 14:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | HEEEeeeEeeeeeEEEeeeeelllp!! |
| 14:49.47 | chem|st | UIKEND! |
| 14:49.50 | DocScrutinizer | desolves into a sparkling explosion |
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| 14:50.32 | MohammadAG | mentions overclocking and sees DocScrutinizer coming back to life |
| 14:50.47 | gevaerts | recommends just killing bme ;) |
| 14:51.01 | MohammadAG | yeah, nuke it |
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| 14:51.36 | andrewfblack | is there not a wiki entry for people who want a n900 for testing anymore? |
| 14:53.01 | Termana | andrewfblack, http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue ? |
| 14:53.14 | andrewfblack | Termana: thanks |
| 14:53.34 | Termana | np |
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| 15:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | k, let's fsck it up completely... killall -SIGSTOP bme-rx51 |
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| 15:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-P |
| 15:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | reboot after some 60sec |
| 15:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | any bets on boot_reason? |
| 15:04.25 | Stskeeps | disable watchdogs |
| 15:04.31 | Stskeeps | no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd |
| 15:04.34 | Stskeeps | r&d flags |
| 15:04.40 | Stskeeps | and no-lifeguard-reset |
| 15:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: mille gracie |
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| 15:11.46 | dneary | Bye all! Have a nice weekend |
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| 21:04.57 | lcuk | o javispedro |
| 21:05.04 | javispedro | evening |
| 21:06.40 | javispedro | nice stuff DocScrutinizer. considering the musb_hdrc actually worked do you still think it's borked somehow? |
| 21:07.42 | ZogG | watching new southpark |
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| 21:09.51 | SpeedEvil | There is a long way between 'it does something', and 'my USB cheeseboard works'. |
| 21:10.19 | javispedro | yeah, but in this case, "doing something" means it has not a #if NOKIA_N900 bork(); |
| 21:10.33 | SpeedEvil | perhaps |
| 21:10.43 | javispedro | from now on we're discussing "proper" bugs in musb_hdrc |
| 21:10.54 | javispedro | (or hidden bme/dsme behaviours) |
| 21:11.11 | javispedro | *evil behaviors, for the matter. |
| 21:15.44 | SpeedEvil | Is the above utilised boost supply cap a dedicated boost cap? |
| 21:16.10 | SpeedEvil | That is - are components there for no purpose other than USB host |
| 21:16.53 | javispedro | <uninformed>I gather not.</uninformed>. |
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| 21:24.58 | pablo2 | Hi, Is it possible send message dbus to Flash Camera in n900 !? |
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| 21:26.53 | b-man | hmm, it looks like there is a nokia update for firefox |
| 21:26.56 | opdf2 | how do u add a plus sign to a phone number in the phonebook? it wont let me |
| 21:27.13 | opdf2 | like +18001234567 |
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| 21:28.41 | n900-dk | opdf2: Use the plus sign :) |
| 21:29.11 | b-man | hmmm... firefox won't launch after the update :P |
| 21:29.16 | opdf2 | nm i had to add it in a skype field. the phone number field only lets me enter 10 characteres |
| 21:31.10 | opdf2 | okay nm that didnt work either |
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| 21:32.03 | opdf2 | grrr okay i could add it now...i must be tired |
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| 21:34.54 | n900-dk | it sure is late :) |
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| 21:45.19 | vltR | hi all, does any1 know how to find qt4-core for n900? is needed for many apps but cant find it ; ( |
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| 21:48.27 | pupnik | ~ $ apt-cache search qt4 |grep core |
| 21:48.28 | pupnik | libqt4-core - Qt 4 core module |
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| 22:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | it's always late *somewhere* |
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| 22:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no, they components are dual-use of bq24150 usb bat charger |
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| 22:17.03 | Andy80 | is anyone of you using Maemo 5 SDK with ubuntu lucid? I cannot complete the installation :\ |
| 22:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: well, we see musb-hdrc is *somewhere* to *some extent* working inside kernel (aka compiled in, not a module) apparently. |
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| 22:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | to me it seems (sorry if that's maybe total BS) like OMAP has 2 usb ports, and the 1:1 is NOT the one that goes to the micro-B receptacle. (Again, that's a completely unchecked idea based on feeling). Anyway musb_hdrc doesn't respond to 'echo host >mode' (http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c line 2010), or to be precise I don't see any reaction on doing that. |
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| 22:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH I'd really like to know which process e.g rises that notorious "mass-storage or PC-Suite mode?" requester |
| 22:22.37 | javispedro | process should be easy to know, but most probably it is notified by d-bus via ke-recv |
| 22:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | considering a -SIGSTOP BME both keeps VBUS alive and kills the watchdog, I really start to fear for our chances to edit in there |
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| 22:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | regarding that requester kept bme from killing VBUS |
| 22:24.52 | MohammadAG_ | screw the watchdog |
| 22:24.55 | MohammadAG_ | :) |
| 22:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | NB! the requester kept VBUS alive for infinite time |
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| 22:25.18 | javispedro | or do what titan usually does -- patch the kernel so that it ignores bme |
| 22:26.03 | javispedro | bme requests directed to certain /proc or /sys entries |
| 22:26.05 | javispedro | (though I would be more happy changing bme itself instead...) |
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| 22:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | YESS |
| 22:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 22:27.12 | SpeedEvil | I also want a 'charge battery to 4050V mode |
| 22:27.17 | SpeedEvil | 4.050V |
| 22:27.17 | javispedro | hum. |
| 22:27.18 | MohammadAG_ | open a bug to open up bme's source? |
| 22:27.32 | SpeedEvil | (for battery longevity) |
| 22:27.45 | javispedro | oh, believe me, that bug is opened since day 0 |
| 22:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: now that's feckng easy, when's your birthday? |
| 22:27.54 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 22:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | ponders idly about specific setup to strace bme |
| 22:29.19 | SpeedEvil | 4050 would be nice when eestor produce product. |
| 22:29.20 | javispedro | ~curse blog spam |
| 22:29.21 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, blog spam ! |
| 22:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | also ponders >>echo -e "#!/bin/shntrue" >/sbin/bme_RX-51 && chmod a+x /sbin/bme_RX-51<< |
| 22:31.00 | javispedro | reboot loop |
| 22:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:31.11 | javispedro | well, maybe with r&d mode.. |
| 22:31.22 | b-man | http://spielzeugz.de/html5/liquid-particles.html :))) |
| 22:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | reflash goop |
| 22:31.55 | javispedro | is missing a microB<-> A cable |
| 22:32.10 | javispedro | _female_ A, or male B. |
| 22:32.11 | SpeedEvil | Is the watchdog dsmetool? |
| 22:32.16 | SpeedEvil | or is it kernelside? |
| 22:32.20 | javispedro | naa -- dsme is mostly open. |
| 22:32.28 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Two cables, soldering iron |
| 22:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: F-A2F-A adapter ftw |
| 22:33.10 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, you can kill it with dsmetool, that would however cause I reboot |
| 22:33.14 | MohammadAG_ | a* |
| 22:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg |
| 22:33.22 | MohammadAG_ | so I doubt it's the watchdog |
| 22:33.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the idea * looks into drawer * |
| 22:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: standard linux kernel watchdog device |
| 22:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | my uneducated guess |
| 22:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51` |
| 22:35.28 | javispedro | Note that R&D mode disables the watchdogs, if that's what you're trying to do now. |
| 22:35.45 | javispedro | (watchdogs because AFAIU the n8x0 had more than one, dunno about the n900) |
| 22:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yes, that's next point on my master plan for world dominion |
| 22:36.06 | MohammadAG_ | javispedro, it does |
| 22:36.37 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.37 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.37 | MohammadAG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.42 | MohammadAG_ | assuming it's the last one we need to disable, since that watches the applications |
| 22:36.52 | MohammadAG_ | /daemons etc.. |
| 22:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'll stick with waiting for a high-spirited mood to scrutinize bme's strace |
| 22:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | mq_timedreceive(6, "\2\0\0\0\1\0\31\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 256, 0, {0, 0}) = 12 |
| 22:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | timer_settime(0x17, 0, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}) = 0 |
| 22:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | ioctl(3, 0x6000, 0xbef74970) = 0 |
| 22:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | read(11, "\322\2\0\0", 4) = 4 |
| 22:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | writev(11, [{"\20\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\4\5\0\0", 12}, {"\322\2\0\0", 4}], 2) = 16 |
| 22:38.21 | javispedro | the lifeguard reset can be disabled with software, no need for bme |
| 22:38.45 | javispedro | the problematic ones with bme and the gang should be the hw ones |
| 22:38.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah - teaching strace ioctls would be a good 0th step |
| 22:39.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: also monitor files opened for a start =) |
| 22:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | btw, as it hits my mind: what's that strange crap with system on my N900 (from Nokia repair) has frequent ping timeouts (->xchat rejoins) and doesn't pop up lockscreen anymore on pressing powerbutton?? :-O |
| 22:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | NOKIA FOCKED M<Y PHONE WITH VIRUS!!1!!! |
| 22:40.42 | javispedro | trip back to nokia care? |
| 22:40.57 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ROFL http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51280&page=3 |
| 22:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 22:41.01 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, read it xD |
| 22:41.18 | javispedro | when I got mine back the case wasn't correctly closed at all. it was making pressure against two keys that were unusable. |
| 22:41.30 | javispedro | I had to send it back.. |
| 22:41.56 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, same problem, same fix XD |
| 22:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:42.31 | javispedro | aha |
| 22:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | though a bit scary actually |
| 22:42.40 | javispedro | fins male to male A cable |
| 22:42.42 | javispedro | finds |
| 22:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | crap |
| 22:43.08 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, why? lol |
| 22:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | get a F-F |
| 22:43.32 | javispedro | dammit, it also has "broken" tag |
| 22:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:43.41 | javispedro | i wonder if it is because the guy who put it wasn't able to use it, |
| 22:43.45 | javispedro | or because it's really broken. |
| 22:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | male2male *is* broken by design |
| 22:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | watch the URL.jpg - the grey ugly thing in the center |
| 22:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's the *real* thing |
| 22:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | every shit and its accessory comes with a xy->maleA cable |
| 22:45.50 | javispedro | I guess. |
| 22:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | ge a female-A-2-female-A adapter and connect two arbitrary of those cables |
| 22:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | geT |
| 22:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's like with ethernet patchcables |
| 22:47.05 | javispedro | has a little idea with the male2male and two female2male A cables |
| 22:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | there's a rj45 plug on every of them |
| 22:47.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'm just trying to do it now (it's 0:00) ;) |
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| 22:49.34 | javispedro | fails at first grade geometry |
| 22:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host#Connecting_a_USB-Stick |
| 22:50.56 | javispedro | I know have a completely useless 20m long male2male cable. |
| 22:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if that's topology rather han geometry |
| 22:51.00 | javispedro | now |
| 22:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | lol - I really managed not to dpoil it :-P |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | spoil |
| 22:51.50 | javispedro | indeed :P |
| 22:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | seen the 20m m2m before my virtual eye 5min ago |
| 22:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | don't worry, I easily figured as I was sitting at home with similar cable some 18 months ago ;-P |
| 22:54.06 | Mace_N900 | hello |
| 22:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | but me has 5++ "universal usb adapter kit" bullshit, from Taiwan |
| 22:54.31 | Mace_N900 | know what. the on screen keyboard isnt too bad |
| 22:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | fine XD |
| 22:55.05 | javispedro | I also got yelled at for making noise :) |
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| 22:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's not unbearably good either |
| 22:55.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm surprised at how fast I've gotten with the hw kb |
| 22:55.33 | SpeedEvil | ~30wpm |
| 22:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | the joy of being solitaire |
| 22:56.01 | gnadar | hi, i need some help with setuping up the scratchbox |
| 22:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeeeek |
| 22:56.21 | Mace_N900 | speed. i found getting used to the hw kb was a pain from a g1 |
| 22:56.21 | gnadar | i have installed the scratchpad on ubuntu |
| 22:56.33 | gnadar | but i see that the python is 2.3, i want to upgrade to higher version |
| 22:56.36 | SpeedEvil | prefers the joy of being minesweeper. |
| 22:56.37 | gnadar | how can I do that? |
| 22:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'm in deep love with my new qwerty |
| 22:56.55 | SpeedEvil | Mace_N900: Having your laptop break, and your n900 be your only computer for a week helps. |
| 22:57.05 | gnadar | apt-get install python installs 2.5 but invoking with python does not really invoke the new version |
| 22:57.09 | gnadar | anyhelp? |
| 22:57.09 | Mace_N900 | the g1 wasnt that good of a phone. but damn it had a good hw kb |
| 22:57.33 | Mace_N900 | speed. i need to find my su8w |
| 22:57.49 | Mace_N900 | im going to look for it now |
| 22:57.59 | SpeedEvil | I need to try to get my bt keyb working again |
| 22:58.03 | Mace_N900 | either that or get a new bt kb |
| 22:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hell, my laptop AND my N900 broke same time. N810 saved my life |
| 22:58.20 | Mace_N900 | they dont work in m5? |
| 22:58.55 | gnadar | guys? |
| 22:59.08 | Mace_N900 | my su8w worked good on my n800 and n810 |
| 22:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | gnadar: afaik python installs concurrent versions. maybe you need to specify FQN |
| 22:59.26 | Mace_N900 | ok.. onscreen was becoming a pain heh |
| 22:59.41 | Mace_N900 | it comes in handy for short stuff tho |
| 22:59.44 | gnadar | FQN? |
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| 23:00.19 | Mace_N900 | let me start charging this phone and look for my su8w |
| 23:00.29 | Mace_N900 | it has to be around here somewhere |
| 23:00.34 | gnadar | if you mean fully qualified name, then that does not work, coz i need to compile another component using python sdk |
| 23:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf fqn |
| 23:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | gnahhh |
| 23:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | Fully qualified name |
| 23:01.02 | gnadar | DocScrutinizer, is there a way to specific current active python? |
| 23:01.08 | gnadar | DocScrutinizer, got that |
| 23:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | try "which python" |
| 23:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | probably there's a link from /usr/bin/python to /opt/python2.3/python - or similar |
| 23:02.37 | gnadar | ok |
| 23:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l `which python` |
| 23:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 23 19:52 /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 |
| 23:03.39 | javispedro | naa SDK is a bit different from device |
| 23:03.42 | javispedro | just try python2.5 |
| 23:03.45 | gnadar | it is something like this /scratchbox/tools/bin/python |
| 23:03.57 | javispedro | sbox will magically eat any exec to "python" and use 2.3 |
| 23:04.05 | javispedro | but won't eat execs to "python2.5" |
| 23:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, I got NOOOOOO idea about such crap ;-P |
| 23:04.15 | gnadar | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 978728 Aug 24 2009 python |
| 23:04.18 | gnadar | not a link |
| 23:04.28 | javispedro | gnadar: ignore the filesystem; sbox does it. |
| 23:04.38 | javispedro | if you still want to use "python" as interpreter name, |
| 23:04.44 | javispedro | export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python |
| 23:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | seems to remember that's what "#! /bin/env python" was for |
| 23:05.08 | javispedro | then it won't ignore the filesystem (and if this is a fremantle target, already contains 2.5) |
| 23:05.46 | gnadar | ok let me try that |
| 23:05.53 | javispedro | it's some sbox stuff that tries to be a bit too intelligent. |
| 23:06.20 | gnadar | yeah how do i get around that?!? |
| 23:06.49 | javispedro | what you want to do, exactly? |
| 23:07.06 | javispedro | launch python 2.5 interpreter? just type "python2.5" |
| 23:07.17 | gnadar | ok |
| 23:07.22 | gnadar | i will tell the whole problem |
| 23:07.32 | gnadar | i want to run mercurial (hg) in the sbox |
| 23:07.41 | gnadar | hg wants 2.4 and higher version of python |
| 23:07.56 | gnadar | but it finds 2.3 and does not compile and install |
| 23:08.07 | SpeedEvil | alias python=python2.5? |
| 23:08.24 | gnadar | SpeedEvil, will give that a shot |
| 23:08.50 | SpeedEvil | That may not be the correct syntax - I'm tired. |
| 23:08.52 | javispedro | or else just export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH |
| 23:08.58 | SpeedEvil | Also - setting PATH? |
| 23:09.07 | javispedro | and prolly export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/pytho |
| 23:09.10 | javispedro | n |
| 23:09.10 | gnadar | the alias thing worked :) |
| 23:09.14 | ZogG | http://gotsars.rdw.org/uploads/links/c2e7eb952edbc22a55dc965a167f42d0.gif |
| 23:09.30 | gnadar | but i will try the path export as well, by putting the user/bin ahead of others |
| 23:10.42 | gnadar | woohoo the alias part worked beautifully |
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| 23:11.05 | gnadar | i have now mercurial in sbox, something i was trying out for a while. |
| 23:11.19 | gnadar | now, another question (fyi, linux newbie) |
| 23:11.47 | gnadar | how do I put the alias or the path somewhere in a common place so that I don't have to retype it again n again everything i getinto sbox |
| 23:12.12 | gnadar | hg |
| 23:12.17 | gnadar | oops sorry wrong window |
| 23:12.36 | Mace_N900 | it has to be around here somewhere |
| 23:12.39 | Mace_N900 | oops |
| 23:12.43 | Mace_N900 | ok i found it |
| 23:12.51 | Mace_N900 | let me see if i can pair this thing |
| 23:13.42 | javispedro | gnadar: ".bashrc" and ."bash_profile" files in /home/user |
| 23:14.01 | javispedro | not /home/user but /home/YOURUSERNAME |
| 23:14.07 | javispedro | (INSIDE scratchbox) |
| 23:16.02 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:16.05 | gnadar | ok got it |
| 23:16.08 | Mace_N900 | ok wtf |
| 23:16.14 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:16.20 | javispedro | drops all the cables into the trash and calls it a day |
| 23:17.00 | gnadar | nice got that it work too |
| 23:17.01 | gnadar | thanks. |
| 23:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 23:17.16 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:18.11 | Mace_N900 | no bt kb support?? |
| 23:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://www.shapeshifter.se/2009/07/07/diy-female-female-usb-adapter/ |
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| 23:18.29 | Mace_N900 | this su8w worked with my n810 |
| 23:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: no kbd supporting N900 BT |
| 23:18.34 | Mace_N900 | :( |
| 23:18.51 | Mace_N900 | supporting n900 br? |
| 23:18.54 | Mace_N900 | bt |
| 23:19.07 | Mace_N900 | is it non standard or something? |
| 23:19.18 | Mace_N900 | omg this is lame |
| 23:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | well allegedly the Nokia kbd works |
| 23:19.30 | Mace_N900 | i am using a nokia kb |
| 23:19.35 | Mace_N900 | an su8w |
| 23:19.36 | javispedro | considers usb-to-ps/2 keyboard adapters precious, rare things, specially now that most motherboards are only going to come with one or zero ps/2 ports and most bioses are shit |
| 23:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | probably BT is not a standard generally |
| 23:19.57 | Mace_N900 | bt hid is a standard |
| 23:20.08 | Mace_N900 | youve got to be kidding me |
| 23:20.31 | javispedro | yeah bt hid is a standard, and the n900 also uses bluez (aka standard), if there's an issue it must be at an higher level |
| 23:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so what shall you do with that 'precious' USB-F-2-PS2-M adapter then?? |
| 23:20.40 | Mace_N900 | sigh |
| 23:20.40 | *** part/#maemo debuntu_ (~fadi@188.51.44.123) |
| 23:20.45 | Mace_N900 | that just sucks |
| 23:20.53 | Mace_N900 | smartphone my ass :) |
| 23:21.19 | Mace_N900 | and i was all amped up to dig up my su8w |
| 23:21.38 | Mace_N900 | it detects it as a kb |
| 23:21.49 | Mace_N900 | maybe there is something i am missing |
| 23:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: see, if the mainboard comes with 1 or 0 receptacles to plug in that adapter, so what? |
| 23:21.51 | Mace_N900 | brb |
| 23:23.17 | Mace_N900 | nope |
| 23:23.24 | Mace_N900 | this totally blows |
| 23:23.44 | javispedro | nothing. |
| 23:24.01 | Mace_N900 | hm... |
| 23:24.19 | Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33397 |
| 23:24.52 | luke-jr | Macer sucks btw |
| 23:24.53 | luke-jr | <.< |
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| 23:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | this one nice - alas not for N900-B-only receptacle: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=H11576-ND |
| 23:26.12 | Macer | :) |
| 23:26.26 | Macer | luke. don't you have divorce meetings with the lawyer and church? |
| 23:26.31 | luke-jr | no |
| 23:26.42 | Macer | it's ok tho.. the hid is disabled by default |
| 23:26.42 | javispedro | gnite gentlemen |
| 23:26.45 | Macer | just have to enable it |
| 23:26.48 | Macer | trying it now :) |
| 23:26.53 | Macer | finally i can use my su8w again |
| 23:26.57 | Macer | i need to remap some of the keys |
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| 23:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://cgi.ebay.ch/USBAA-FF-USB-Adapter-A-Buchse-A-Buchse-/370322835005 |
| 23:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 |
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| 23:52.11 | Mace_N900 | well |
| 23:52.16 | Mace_N900 | xchat is du |
| 23:52.23 | Mace_N900 | dumb :) |
| 23:52.33 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ever purchased anything from DX? |
| 23:52.34 | Mace_N900 | think i have to disable the on screen |
| 23:52.52 | Mace_N900 | ok |
| 23:53.08 | SpeedEvil | I have |
| 23:53.08 | SpeedEvil | Too much stuff |
| 23:53.08 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 23:53.10 | Mace_N900 | oh wtf |
| 23:53.18 | Mace_N900 | the fn numbers dont work |
| 23:53.20 | SpeedEvil | I can see from where I am... |
| 23:53.26 | Mace_N900 | omg you mean i need to run this script every time i connect it... haha |
| 23:53.31 | Mace_N900 | blah.. brb |
| 23:53.33 | SpeedEvil | 5 items from them |
| 23:53.38 | MohammadAG_ | Mace_N900, just use alt |
| 23:54.02 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, how long does standard shipping take? |
| 23:54.06 | Mace_N900 | wow |
| 23:54.13 | MohammadAG_ | assumes, for some reason, that SpeedEvil is from the EU |
| 23:54.22 | Mace_N900 | now enter doesnt work when using the su8w map |
| 23:54.39 | Mace_N900 | wtf |
| 23:54.55 | *** part/#maemo Mace_N900 (~mace@rancorous.net) |
| 23:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: not yet |
| 23:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | in private |
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| 23:55.25 | Mace_N900 | oops |
| 23:55.28 | MohammadAG_ | ah well it's only a buck |
| 23:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | though I think openmoko sometimes did when in a pinch ;-P |
| 23:55.42 | Mace_N900 | blah... let me try something |
| 23:56.36 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: couple of weeksish |
| 23:56.50 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: unless they are having one of their wierd holidays |
| 23:57.03 | MohammadAG_ | grrr, too long lol |
| 23:57.07 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 23:57.07 | SpeedEvil | is from scotland! |
| 23:57.15 | SpeedEvil | brb - out of woad. |
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| 23:57.28 | MohammadAG_ | lol thought you were from the UK for some reason |
| 23:57.31 | Mace_N900 | jjjjj |
| 23:57.40 | Mace_N900 | ok |
| 23:57.49 | Mace_N900 | well.. i guess for enter to work the kb has to be slid open |
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| 23:57.59 | Mace_N900 | it maps it differently if the phone is closed |
| 23:58.01 | Mace_N900 | that kind of sucks |
| 23:58.17 | Mace_N900 | i guess this is a solution until actual kb support comes along |
| 23:59.11 | Mace_N900 | or i can figure out how to map this thing differently when it´s closed |
| 23:59.13 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 |
| 23:59.34 | Mace_N900 | i have to run xkb every time i connect.. that kind of sucks too :) |
